Virginia Argus. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1796-1816, 1811-03-05

sith for the refusal on their part TO fulfil their
declaration or promise What could be ex-
lccted TO be the ultimatc fate Of these vesse /?
That they would be sold and the proceeds de- |
,Osited IN the Imperial Treasury. &c &c.
Mr.. Bibb said it was certainly Tar from his
intention to throw any embari ssmeut in the
way of the committee OF Foreign Relations,
but he was unwilling to act on this matter
without due DELHI Grafton, and therefore moved
hat the bill! and announcements should lie on
the table The subject was not so urgent that
one day would be matter of any great conse-
quence.
MIR Eppes said he had no objection to the
motion.
Mr. Goldsborough made motion to refer it
to a committee of the whole House.
Mr. Mumford stated tina, it was his intenti-
on, when the bill should cone der conside.
ration, to move the following amendment 10
it:
Provided, That nothing herein contained
shall be construed to affecl The cargoes of ships
or vessels wholly owned by citizen or citizens
OF the United States, which had cleared out
for the Cape of Good Hope, or for any port be-
yond the same p,ior to the 10th of November,
one thousand eight hundred and ten.
He said he had inSerted the 10Th of Novem,
Der to allow time for tue arrival of the procla
nation at the different ports
The motion for the bill to lie on the table
was negatved, SIS 10 10.
1t referred TO committee of the whole
50 to 81, and made the order of the day for
Tomorrow.
EXERCISE OF THE VETO.
The Hollow ing message was received from
the President of the United States.
To The HouSe of Representatives, of the United
State..
Having cxanined aud e. n5idered the hill. en-.
titled IS an ae ineofpo stius the potes ant cps
cofal church in the town of AeN audria, in the
diss,ia OF Columbia - now return the bill 10
the Acuse o! REPRESENTATIVES, IN which it o,igi.
na'ed, ~i;h lhs foil wing ohis9ions:
Became ,he bill exceeds tie rghtful ausho,ity
to which governments are limited by tue essen
rial dis inotian betwecn civil and re igi us func-
ions, AID violate, i'll psrucular, the article of
the conati,uicn 81 he Un'ed SiSe, which de-
clafss that " Congress shall MAKE no law see.
pettng religious estab ishment." The bin en-
acts into. and e,tabslies by, 'sw, sundry rules
AID proceedings relative pu,siy 70 the organiza.
,ion and po'i'y Of the church inc .rpo,Stsd aud
experimenting even tie eiec"cn ard removal of
the mrIste' OF she sarne---s tia. no change
could be made tlle'snl by the narficu ar socisty
or by the general church of which j. is \ mem
be-, ana w'.s-e auih ority u vecngn.Zss. This
particular can'ch, therefore, wouid SO Tag be a
religions establishment By lava legal fore:
aud SANCTION bcing given 10 cer,aiG articles in us
considered THAI the articles thus es.ablisbod arc
to be taken a. lie descriptive critc;ia, onIy, of
the corpora'e identity of the socieiy.--iua,nluch
as his id nifty mast de- erS on other cnatade-
sisiics-ss the regulations established are gene
rally pnessen,al and al,c'abley according TO the
p'i1cipes and caoons by WHICH churches of that
den. mination govern ;htmseives---and as the
ininn9i MS and prohibitions, contained in the
regulations, wouA. be enforced by The penal con-
sequences applicable 10 vic a,ion of lhem &C.
coraiug 10 the lGcsi law.
Because he bill vests III !he said incorporated
church an authority 10 provide for ihe supper
# ne poor. and the education Of poor Gin lAren
o. the same-=n authority, wdi.h. being a'rnge-
sheT super2uous If the provision is 10 be the "a.
sull Of Pious charity, would L, pyeceden, FOR
giving to reigious societies, as such. legal a.
gefcy in carving mo effect public ard riv il tn.
,y. JAMES MADISON.
February 81 1911.
k5r. Bassst suggested he reference of the
message 70 se!eet ecnmilie.
The Spe ker conceised thai the aiticls in the
constitution on this subjcd required hat he house
should proceed TO a re renscrra ion OF the bill.
Dn motion Of Mr. Pitkih, .he Gou,e = .ocesd.
ed 90 reconsider The bill.
The niesrage was sgsin read, as also was the
following clause Of he constitu ion:
g. Every bill which shall have passed the hou.e
OF representatives ard the Senate, shall before
il become . law b. pre'ented TO the p e.iGrn;
OF the Upited S,afes---ii he approve, nc shah
sig f---bul if not lie shall return IL, with his
OBJ elion' TO hsi Hou:e IN WHICH 1t shall have
origna,et, who shall eu;ei The objections Al large
eli their i5mp3l. and p.rceed 20 reconsider IL.
IT, after such reconsideration two .;hi,d, of that
House shalt agree 20 pass the bill, il shall BE-
sent, ,cge'hcr with ihs obieaions 10 the other
House, by which i, shall likewise De reconsider
ed, and, # approved By Thirds of tina, hUute,
IL shall become law"
M Randolph asked whether motion for in
definite pos Ponement would in me opini5n of
the Spss ker, lie ~ This CAGE Z
The Speaker believed not.
The following s,iicie of the contribution was
then yead by 5equest.
&" Cong'ess shall make 10 law respecting an
establishment Of re igieu, or p'oh'biuns the free
exeTcise hersss--rr abridging ths freedom OF
speech, Or e he prsss--or Inc right Of the PEG
ple pescesbiy 70 assemble, and 10 petit ION the
the governments for redress Of grievances.
Mr. Bassel said, ihorgh ;hs Constitution had
presc' bed a recoUsders'i'n of the bill when re.
TUNED, The mode Of reconsideration was not pre-
scrijed--.snd might as we'll be by reference 70
ssleq oornrnit'ee a. IN any other mode. The
bill m n, perhaps be amended. or heir power
70 amend It inI.s present sage, however, hs was
not certain.
Mr.. Smile conceived the constitution
preren,or!y to require an immediate de.
cjsion.
Mr.. Pix said, that this question was
new 10 him. He had 10 ;dee that tne coo