Virginia Argus. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1796-1816, 1811-07-25
LONDON, July 1.
Or :ASfERICA-IN PARLIAMENT,

In sfa bsase of commons on the 5th of June.
8. tsss$nJect of a vote OF credit, Mr. yVht-
bread deserved:
With respect to America also. the houss
had resolved that the intercourse with that
country,w was uncertain and interrupted IL
must be recollected that few years ago we
had been told by the authors and advocates
or the orders in council, that the trade with
America would not be much affectedb them:
that trade would force its own way that A.
| merica would soon see her true interests
and that our intercourse with that country
would remain undiminisled. America at that
time, told this country, that if she persisted in
orders so contrary to the rights of indepen-
| dent nations, she would suspend the inter-
course between the two countries. The au-
thors of our orders in council anticipated no
evils from this measure !; but the distresses of
our manufacturers now clearly proved thai
great evils had resulted from It, and that the
loss u the american niarket had been severo-
| ~ Ter IN this country. en attemptedto
deny the snfserings of on nufactursrspr
! to say that they were oveIglated in tn 4 =
| tition. Their misery gras su6fcienfiv
k7lozvn to the zyorid, and the only reason M-
legged for not going into a committee was the
impossibility OF giving them any substantial
| relief. 1t the enquiry should, however, now
take place, he hoped that it might still be
| possible to prevail upon ministers to ref7ace
their stefs aviti reSect 10 america, and to re-
| open that market to our exports.
| We had been often told, that it was impos-
| sible to repeal these orders in council, until
the French decrees should have been repeal
! ed. If, however, the Berlin and Milan de-
crees were now actually repealed, why not
| repeal the orders in councilf If there were
| doubts whether the French had really repeal
ed those DEGREES or not, should not some ex-
pertinent be made to learn whether they were
sincere or notl When it had been in the pow
or of ministers to put this matter to the test,
itappeared to him that a noble lord (the mar
quis Wellesley had shewn dilatoriness, and
a negligence of conduct, which was quite as
tonishlng. In his negotiations with the Ame-
/. rican ambassador, he appeared to shew con-
siderable degree ofinattention. The Ameri-
can minister had left the country; the negoci-
atoms had completely broken of, and must
re-commence when MIR. Foster shall arrive
in America. The communications between
the two governments had now been publilka
ed in America, and he could conceive Nd
Their reason for having denied them I'd
house of commons, but merf - gain time.
He could not avoid feeling sincere re-
gret, that minister. of s,d is and such
temper as Mr.. Pinkney, sho3l@ have left the
country--There never was minister whose
II patience and forbearance had been more put
I to trial than Mr. Pinkney's, and he thought
that it would be hardly possible to find a ne
gee IA or equal to him, and not only for sup
porting the interests of his own country, but
: for discussing. with fairness the points which
! were disputed between the two countries.
The lord chancellor, in reply to MIR. Whit
bread, observed, with regard to what had
fallen frnm the hon. gentleman as to our COM
: merce with America, MIR. p. believed that no
man in this country ever seriously believed
t the Milan and Berlin DEGREES absolutely re-
2 pealed. 1t was true they had been repealed
: prospectively, and conditionally; that is to
e say, either 7Ohen Great Britain should give u1s
I herorcLers in council, and also her blockade,
: which was stated to be a novelty. If re
zyoutd consent to giVe ul these, e all the mar
: time rights on 7viich oar fTcsent ho7ver zvQs
: founded, then they gcere TO be reheated or il
I we refused to give up our maritime rights,
c and America would take up arms against us,
q then they were to stand repealed as to Ame-
n RIGA, but not rs to us. Could any man sup
i pose that this country would bear such an j.
n dea, as that it would endure any set of minis
S ters who could countenance such degrading
T proceeding upon such bare and doubtful evil
denccl The manner ia which the intelligence
: had been brought 70 us, was not to be depend
: ed on it came in such a questionable shape
: as would by no means warrant US in repeal
/ ing our orders in council.
/ Mr.. II. Barring spoke at some length a.
e gainst the orders in council. He thought mi
It nisters might very safely and properly hav,
re rescinded them on the declaration by Franc,
a to America that the Milan and Berlin decree
n had been repealed. 1t was evident from IN,
$, conduct of the French government, that Bona
10 parte was fearful we should think they wer
10 repealed, and dreaded our acting accordiur
lie ly. He (Mr. By was Of opinion, that if minis
farc hud led r
L that time, Bonaparte would have been great
10 ly mortified.
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