Virginia Argus. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1796-1816, 1808-08-09
HOUSE OF LORDS,
Nay so.
ORDERS IN COUNCIL.

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Lord Auckland rose 20 move for certain
accounts relating TO the trade Of this coun.
uy' with view TO lay beT re the house
me actual state of the trade ard com
merce oil this country since The month OF
November last. There was at present
upon their Lordsaips's. table evidence Of
what the trade was at that time, particu-
iarly with regard TO America. He propo.
sed SIX motions, the first Of which was for
an account OF the imports and exports.
lcustom-house entries, duties, and draw.
backs, in the ports ofLondon, and Bristol,
and Liverpool, for four months, ending.
The LIST of May, 1907 and q similar ac-
count for four months, ending the list Of
May, 1903.
The Question being put on the 6rss
! moion.
Ear Bathurst wished the noble lord
had extended his motion to the whole OF
ne TWO years and to all The ports of the
United Kingdom. His lordship added
snme observations In support Of the orders
OF council, not as the means of carving
on commercial war, but as a matter Of
necessity, not choice.
Lord Granville said, that the last tims
ne addressed their lordships upon this
SUBJECT, the Noble secretary of state (Lord
ha"kesbury) said, thar all his predictions
had been realized that our trade was
IN most Furnishing and prosperous con-
diIion. ~Bui what was actually the result
by the papers upon their Lofdships table,
IL appeared that the exports of last wear
amounted 10 upwards OF five millions and
an halt, ihose OF the present year 10 no
han
doubt, therefore, of the diminuuon of our
trade 10 that extent, arising from those Orr
ders IN council, which he had already de-
ciared TO be adverse 10 all the known DriDci-
Piles of commerCe. IL was SAID that this was
a Deiigerrni measure; but could that be
oe!iiSerent measure which cramped The
sources OF the government, and unstrung
the sInews olour armies As commerce d.
Unfinished, so must our manufactures, di-
miHu ion ofthe revenue must consequently
follow, by which alone We could now con.
tend against the enemy. These orders
IN Council therefore, had not increased
our commerce and if shey were intended
to make the enemy relinquish his DEGREES
against this country, they had failed there
also. Every days experience mus, more
and more convince his majesty minis
| ,ers OF the rulnous tendency Of this .mea-
sure. With respect to America, under.
| standing that negotiation was now pen-
ding, he should abstain az presen; from
asking any explanation upon that subject.
| His Lotdship concluded BY repeating his
conviction of the malignant influence Of
his measure, and expr, ssing a hope that
| mis- malesty's ministers would be induced
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those Orders in Council, from convicti-
on of The necessity ofso doing; aud in
the hope OF its speedy accompll hment,
his Lordship minated tina, it WIS not his
intention al present to press the motion
upon this subje6i, of which he had given
notice previous to the recess.
Lord Hawk sbury indicated at length
the Orders in Council. He admitted there
was considerable diminutiou in the com.
merce of the coantry, but al least ono
half of that preceded the issuing Of those
lorders and he commended that the ex.
lports IN January and February, 1903, were
more than those of the corresponding
months in 1906:
Lord Lauderdsle warmly supported the
molten, and strongly condemned the Or
ders in council.
The lord Chancellor did not mean to
Ioppose tine motion, but could not let il
pass without entering his protest againss
the inference, that because i, may be shewn
that there is dimiuBtion Of commerce,
therefore il is proved thatlh diminution
was IN consequence of the oyders in coun-
lcii.
Lord Holland again reprobated the or
ders in council ia strong terms, and COM
,dered that the onus probandi lay upon
he Noble Lord Opposite to shew that the
orders in council did not nEoduce the evils
complained of.
| After few words in explanation, from
Lords Auckland, Bathurst, CrenviIle, and
Stanhope, the motion was agreed 70,