Alexandria advertiser and commercial intelligencer. [volume] (Alexandria [Va.]) 1800-1803, 1803-01-12

mentions che fact. For fEleis seaiOnS isi''
Grifwold hoped the motion would NOT pre-
vail as its ayowed objee was for more
full difcuGion, but for the purpofe OF 60
mo into a fecret committee. # gentlemen
mean TO deny us the information we ak
let the denial be public; and # they grant
ii, there is no realon sgalailt their dong
t publicly.
MIR. Randolph. The gentleman from
Connecticut tells US that this fubleet is
referred to in the mefage of the PRECEDENT,
and that omit we ere called by him to lc.
gilate. That fubje6f has been referred
10 committee Of the whole and Jet re
lays it is improper TO refer this Tefolution
10 the fame committee. This may be
logic; but confefs, if it is, | do nat on
bertrand il. He lays if The Object OF re-
ference be for more ample difeoliion he
will be in favor of ii; bit not 10, lit be
10 iend it to iecret committee. Does
the gentleman mean to intimate that the
debates of this body are for TIE entertain
ment OF the ladies who honor Us with their
prefence; or that as foon as our doors are
lhut, our ears alto are lhut to all uleful
and neceGary information If the doors
haIl be clofed, cannot we fill agree to
the relolution However gentlemen may
perGtf in the couric they have taken, l
lhall not permit the warmth Of their re-
marks, or thar OF my own feelings, TO be-
tray me into debate on points which the
IIoufe have determined fhaIl be dilcutied
with clofed doors. For my own part, |
am ready to declare that have arguments
to advance, that it is not my with TO ad.
vance with open doors.
Mr.. Bacon faid the refolutioH GmPly
called for information refpetting the cettl-
on of the province Of Louiliana TO the
French. He did not fee the end TO be
anfwered by committing it. Is there any
doubt that we hall NOT hand In need OF
information when we come to dilcnis
points connected with this fubjed Ii
appeared to him thty would. He was
therefore againa the reference.
MIR. S. Smith. The gentleman from
Connecticut has candidly admitted that it
is cuifomary in Tuch cafes to make re-
ference, that he is not in favor OF the re-
ference being made to a committee with
lhut doors; bur ifthe Object were TO OBJ
tain free difcuaion, he would not ob-
jecf to it. He is told that full and tree
dilcufion cannot be had without fuch
reference, and yet he peTiilts IN his hoitill-
ty to the motion. He had been told
20 by the mover, and common feaie would
have told him 70 at hrh /; yet he IS Ter ia
king advantage of the mover, and for fhut-
ting out the arguments he has to urge.
The gentleman is rniRaken in bis fate
merit of the motives of the different ildss
OF the Houfe In the difcuficn On call
for papers in 1895, when he Teprelents
one fde as claiming Alright TO participate
in the treaty making power. He recol-
leeted 1t had been charged upon them !:
but they had denied ii. We commended,
iaid general Smith, that when treaty
was formed appropria,ing large fun OF
money, we had right to appropriate or
not appropriate The money but we never
afumed the right to fay whether the trea-
ty was concluded or not. Afterwards,
gentlemen themielyes, if he recolleeted
right, moved relolution that it was ex-
pedient to carry the treaty into effect, by
which they did admit the right OF the
Houfe. Mr.. Smith iaid he had no previ-
Gus knowledge ofwhat the gentleman from
Virginia meant by his motion; he might
perhaps with to amend the refolution
but when he fays he has arguments that
he cannot Urge without fhut doors, he
truaed that indulgence would be allowed
him, or there would be denial OF Jui-
tioe.
MIR. Dana faid there was a magic of