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13-00000 q a + - 2.7 ' 13 November 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD : SUBJECT: Meeting of Mr. Rocca with Members of the. Senate Select Committee Staff ¢ 1. - On -the morning of November 11, 1975, Mr. Rocca  . met, at the request of the Senate Select Committee, with members of the Staff of the SS Committee. Spec- ifically Mr. Paul Wallach, Staff Counsel and two assistants Messrs. _D. Dwyer and E. Grissom handled the questioning. m.[ «dof ‘the CI Staff attended... as an observer... 2. Mr. Wallach asked Mr. Rocca if he were aware of _ the existance of a 201 file on Lee Harvey Oswald prior to-the assassination of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963. Mr. Rocca advised that he was unaware of the file until the Monday after the event. Under questioning Mr. Rocca went on to say that to the best of his knowledge there were. only five documents actually in the 201 file and were of an interagency nature. He suggested Mr. Hartman be’ queried.on this point. Further, Mr. Rocca went on to say that there was apparently an error in the original file opening of Oswald's .201 which was under | the name of Lee Henry Osawald and not Lee Harvey Oswald, but this was a Auman error which did not deter the investigation. In response to why the Agency was not involved in the investigation of Oswald in the pre- _ assassination period, Mr. Rocca stated that there existed guide lines under the Delimitation Agreement with regard . to military defectors which-limited jurigdiction of these cases’ to the FBI and to the responsible military arm.. *E2IMPDET CL BY 008885
13-00000 In this instance it was the Navy and the FBI to the exclusion of CIA. When Mr. Wallach alluded to , allegations that Oswald may have been an agent of CIA or was sent to the USSR with instructions to, defect, Mr. Rocca made a strong point that Oswald . was never a CIA agent nor to his knowledge was an American citizen ever asked to defect to the USSR, . although there have been many Soviets who were sent ‘by Russian intelligence as defectors to the West. 3. Mrs Wallach expressed interest in reviewing. the chronology of Oswald's activities prior to the assassination and at what point in time did Mr. Rocca become involved. Mr. Rocca explained that during the period of 23 November 1963 through mid- January 1964 action responsibility for the investigation rested with WH Division. After that he became involved. He referred to it as the GPFLOOR Phase. During this period Messrs. J.C. King, C/WH and ‘Jack Witten, _ C/WH/Mexico City Desk were the two Washington level officers in charge. Mr. Win Scott, who was COS Mexico City, was. responsible in Mexico. Mr. Dave Phillips, ' who was Stationed in Mexico was also knowledgeable. | In Washington, - ‘Witten who. had oversight of GPFLOOR — dealt directly with Mr. Helms, who presumably kept Mr. McCone advised. Mr. Rocca then recounted Oswald's military career and Oswald apparent contacts with the Cubans while he was in the Marines. At this point Mr. Rocca made a point that there are gaps in the infor- mation provided by both Soviet and Cuban Governments. to the Warren Commission and these gaps were, in his words, "relevent and open." Mr. Rocca stated Oswald's con- tacts with both the Cubans and Soviets should be investigated. He related how Oswald went to Finland then to the. USSR, how he was handled by Rima Shirakova . a Inturist Guide who he said was in fact a KGB agent. Mr. Rocca suggested that Oswald's attempted suicide was part of a scenario to “allow Oswald to remain in Moscow 2 geppcy Sad fhe bat $b aoe
13-00000 by a reluctant government to permit further assessing." ‘His handling in the Soviet Union, his resettlement in Minsk, the fact he was allowed to marry Marina, whose | uncle was in the MVD, etc. were areas which Mr. Rocca's comments were that there are areas.:which the Warren Commission did not fully investigate and which, in |. retrospect, suggested to him that the question that Oswald may have been undex KGB control was never re- ‘solved. 4, At this*point in the interview the questioning turned to assassination plots against Castro. Mr. ' Wallach asked Mr. Rocca if he participated in any such plots or if he was aware of any. Mr. Rocca gave a negative response then regaled the group about the ‘international political atmosphere at the time, recounting President Kennedy's meeting | with Khruschev in Vienna, the Soviet build up in Cuba, the Missile crises, Castro's long visit to Cuba in 1963 which led. to greater assistance by the KGB to the Cuban DGI, and finally the fact that Castro held a press conference ‘at the Brazilian Embassy in Havana which was clearly according. to Mr. Rocca a warning to’ the U.S. that any attempts on Cuban leaders, i.e. Castro, would be met in kind. Mr. Rocca referred to Des Fitzgerald's trip to Paris to recruit AMLASH for the purposes of overthrowing © Castro, Fitzgerald's close contacts with the Kennedy family and fact he replaced Bill Harvey in the Special Project to assassinate Castro. (One of the Staffers referred to it as Task Force W.) Mr. Rocca then com- mented on Operation MONGOOSE which he said Bobby Kennedy was running with McNamara and which involved Mr. Fitzgerald. The meeting broke at this point. Next meeting to be on the morning of November 13, 1975. 5. Incidental items which arose. At one: point Mr. Rocca made reference to a debriefing of & Soviet defector Golitzin. Mr. Wallach asked if this was refuted by Nosenko. Mr. Rocca advised he was not we, rr oD = oy ~~{ a aa
Bd de VF oe J cleared for Nosenko at. that time hence could not comment. Mr. Wallach asked for the report on the debriefing of Golitzin related to KGB assassinations. At various times Mr. Rocca deferred questions to people most ‘knowledgeable on given aspects. These are: Messrs. Murphy, C/SB, Bagley, DC/SB, Wigren, -SB Research and Miss Virginia Valpey re analysis on ‘Oswald's stay in USSR, Soviet methods etc.;-Miss . Betty Egerter foxy file procedures; Messrs. Jack: Witten and. Dave Philips re Mexico City investigation; Mr. Len McCoy re dissemination of SB reports; Mr. Kim Chalmer re HTLINGUAL; and a Mr. Bruce Solie re Office of Security files and investigations. 6. <A final point. Mr. Rocca in furtherance of. his theories suggesting possible Soviet and/or Cuban complicity in the: Kennedy Assassination, provided two documents from the files to Mr. Wall latter graceously gave the documents to Mr. with a request they be reproduced prior to the next meeting as he may submit a document request for them at a later date. Copies of the documents in question are attached. a , Robert Wall | AC/C1I/O0G Attachments Distribution: : vorig & 1-- AC/CI. (to be held for ¢/ct) L.= C1/0G/SO we \ 4 C . Anes . SEORL Se Ce a ee