457-10011-10092 f Date:10/06/93 Page:1 JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM € IDENTIFICATION FORM (a Oe ae ae a See oe AD an om oD Soe ee Vee q ‘woafert 20 a Gm => Oo Gm Om am as Gm aD oO ED UU ee oe we me oe oe ey OD Os Om OD oD oe Ge ee ae ae Om oe oe oe Oo oe Oe ee a oe oe ee me OP oD Ge om OE oe ee me oe om oe me amo AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : SSCIA RECORD NUMBER : 157-10011-10092 RECORDS SERIES : AGENCY FILE NUMBER : DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION FROM : ROETHE, JAMES N. TO : FILE TITLE : MARCHETTI, VICTOR DATE : 03/28/75 PAGES : 84 SUBJECTS : TESTIMONY OF MARCHETTI, VICTOR APRIL 3, 1975 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT CLASSIFICATION : T RESTRICTIONS : REFERRED CURRENT STATUS : P DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 09/29/93 OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : SSCI Box 294, Folder 11 — [R] - ITEM IS RESTRICTED HY 50955 DBocld: 322703860 Page 1
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“TOP SECRET = =_—* like a broken man, he did that day anyway. But he was a very. | L | met him, I only saw him on the TV a few months ano, he looks mysterious, wery -7 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 4 MR. OLSEN: To use the house term, he was a spook? S) ; MR. MARCHETTI: ves. He was a very exotic character. 6 And ali kinds of stories float around about Jim Angleton. | And . vA [ I am sure that. some are nothing more than apoéryphal and some 8 | are pure rumor. | 9 What intrigued me about this Runge thing is that 10 subsequently another reporter ~~ ‘and this time the guy identi- 1L | fied the man he had been talking to -- the man he had been : le talking to was “Bill Harvey, who was one of the people respon~. ; 13 sible for exposing Philby, in fact Philby gives Harvey the < 14 |: credit in his book under a pseudonym -~ that Harvey said to 18 | es, the Agency ~~ to this reporter -- yes, the 16 . sn penetrated, it may even, be now -~ he made some 17 ents of that nature; But’ then when the guy trie 18 to dig deeper, Harvey held him at arm's length. . 19 -MR.-OLSEN: Who is Harvey? 8 . oo. _ ,) x 20 'MR..MARCHETTI: .Bill Harvey was a scenario officer. Es 202 _ He had been Head of the Cuban task force. ul - a eS a 4 83 MR. OLSEN: Which Cuban taski force do you refer to © 4 ® 24 now? The one that.was organized --_ 4 3 25 | ' MR: MARCHETTI: Within the Agency, the Agency's own. | . TOP SECRET... BY 50955 Doctd: 322703660 “Page 3 s .
HW 50955 j4 Phone (Area 202) 544-G000 > 10 ii 12 WARD & PAUL 4 GW 25 a4 29 “410 First Street, S.E., Washington, D.C, 20003 raw) eo Docld: 32203860 ; TOP SECRET ; | | i avie afte - a peoplw who clain | i ; i ko pe and have subse- | quently heen found to be leqitimate defectors. i MR. MARCHET?T: You mean found to be illegitimate defectors? MR, OLSEN: No, found to be leqitimate defectors -- well, aither Way. MR. MARCHET?TI: Well, they would turn up from % oD & time. Usually I cidn't have anv direct dealings. They Were handled by the Clandestine Services, But von would know the There is the famous sgwho said that he was a KGB plant ify is the one that manv people on the extreme right li ke to point to as having identified all kinds © of agents within the US Government. Eventually I got to the - toew M “py om wean out RAS In tne nevsnay At this point you don't know if the guy was nuts all and TI don't know what the official thinking about it Agency is. But there have. been anumber of others over the vears. There is| | MR, OLSEW: How do vou spell his name. MR. MARCHETTI: | = These names are a matter of record. YOu will have TOP SECRET Page 4
| @) as i inl :@) | ret wand] 2 - : S ' 2 ‘ en as : S a Gefecotrs which von believe to he questionable as to whether $ ; Ps 2 or nok ft comes within the charter of the CIA? 3 I S é 3 | MR. MARCHETTI: No. As Iosay, IT have no first hand ~ 6 E 4 Knowleddqe on this subject. You remember the |case? MR. OLSEN: Yes. YOu mentioned that in vour book, TI QO beliave, don't vou? tied ¥ | MR. MARCHETTI: I was in the Agency at the time that a For one reason, I didn't pav any attention to it.. I had no reason to. But it was after cetting out of the Acencv, 11 : 4 4 - 12 This hapnened to be a case wheres under Agency 13 orders, was directed to Jas being a Soviet agenté I japparently to this day claims ‘ 9 ‘happened, but I knew practicaliy nothing about it in the Agency WARD & PAUL and said that he was framed, and it was 14 16 Td | ‘easons, because he didn't-see eye to eve with che OH ee . if. Aue 17 fo? | 18 MR. OLSEN: YOu don't know the story behind that, I | take it? n 19 5 MR. MARCHETTI: Ho. But vou could find out. I don’t 3b 20 oe . a . . ; . . ¢ know what the Aqency was doing. All I know is that Halms 3 el : . Fs 29 submitted some sort of affidavit which the judge accepted, and é 93 on the basis of that the case was resolved in favor of *id . @ Py He had to. idneitify les being in the Agencv's emplov and a og od OE ; 2 acting under orders from the Acency. The reasons whv, they are t+ 25 . - TOP SECRET HW 50955 BDocld: 322703360 Page 5
Phone (Area 202} 544-G000 - 10 ii 13 14 WARD & PAUL 16 Lt 18 ° 19 6 20 e . 21 3 22 2 23 3 24 g So 5 25 Doctld: 322033860 1l2 OITA, a} oe vi NG TOP SECRET 8 seem to work properly except in the US. And I am wondering what kind of use in the US vou might be aware of? ; | i ! | MR. MARCHETTI: That wasn't what I meant by that. What I meant was, it worked good under Laboratory conditions here, but when I would take it out to the field, it wouldn't work, MR, ROETHE: You weren't referring to any use of thes Seren beams here in.the US? MR. MARCHETTI: No, I was not, But that is that system that people are talking about now, the Laser people bugging system, where they can get a building across the street there and direct a beam here and pick it up. re has become quite popular in recent years, at least they talk about it. LSEN: YOu mean in the spy literature? RCHETTI: . Yes. ETHE: © At page 196 you refer to monitoring of embassy. traffic from Maryland and Virginia. Were you referring to CIA's activity in monitoring ,j,ox, MR.. MARCHETTI: <pusesl MR. ROETHE: You are not aware of any CIA activity of this nature? MR. MARCHETTI: no, not herein this country. | or — ‘JOPSECRET iPage 6
HW 450955 wo Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 Gt 10 11 Le i5 “WARD & PAUL Ly 18 19 20 a1 22 a) 24 410 First Street, S.E., Washington, 0.C. 20003 m 25 Docld: 32203360 e. FOP SECRET 99 MR. ROETHE: There is one reference to breaking into: embassies at page 199. And there is no reference to any particular embassy.' Are you aware of any activity where the CIA was actually implicated in breaking into an embassy? You have already talked about the Cilean Embassy. tous MR. MARCHETTI: This was based on information that wa availabe in the Houston Plan, which by that time: had become public. And also certain background information about |ihep S capabi-litesnofsthe NSA mins htswESeiinical._ fie! ca,| and certain CIA ‘clandestine abilities. And it was all rolled into one as a supposition. MR, ROETHE: On page 207 you indicate that many. Ve ROBT: Do you know of any actual operations tha were aver taken by teh CIA, or doe you have any evidence of such ‘operations? _ | _ | © OMR. MARCHETTI: No, I ao not. MR. ROETHE: On page 216 you refer to training of New. and Chicago police. What kind of training are you referring to, or do you know? MR. MARCHETTI: That ir just it. I.am not exactly sure cea. | TOP SECRET i