180-1011 1-10051 v9.1 AGENCY : RECORD NUMBER : RECORD SERIES : AGENCY FILE NUMBER : ORIGINATOR : FROM: _ TO: TITLE: DATE: PAGES: SUBJECTS : DOCUMENT TYPE : CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : CURRENT STATUS : DATE OF LAST REVIEW : OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : JFK Assassination System Date: 10/2/201 Identification Form Agency Information HSCA 180-10111-10051 NUMBERED FILES 012509 Document Information HSCA CIA 09/24/1978 8 CIA, METHODOLOGY . OSWALD, LEE HARVEY - RUSSIAN PERIOD, RETURN TO USS. KGB GOLITSIN, ANATOLI SUMMARY Unclassified 1A Redact 01/01/2003 Photocopy of note attached. Box #:222. HW 50955 Docld:32263956 Page i
ws KENNEDY BAZS Us \ INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE 1. Identifying Information: -Name__Donald Deneslya_ _ Date_September 24, 1978 Address | Place North’ arlington, Virginia  City/state, Bowie, Maryland 20715 “‘Pelephone| | Date of Birth _— Mor § tt Social Security Spouse an . _ Children 2. Physical ‘Description: | . . Height — co a, Color Eyes ; Hair Weight a - -. Special Characteristics | Ethnic Group_ . . we FY 3. Personal History: ..a. Present Employment: Self- ~employed real estate agent Address Above Telephone “Above _ b. Criminal Record 1. Arrests _ 2. Convictions 4. Additional Personal Information: a. Relative(s): Name. Address -b. Area frequented: c. Remarks: Investigator~_James P. Kelly C7 7 Date . Form #4-B HW 50955. DocId:32263956 Page 2 ee
KENNEDY SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS Name Donald Deneslya Date 9-24-78 ‘Time 1: QO p.m. - Address| Place _ North agLinaton. Va. HW 430955— Bowie, Maryland 20715 Interview: Subject was directed to the writer by former Chief: a of Counterintelligence of f the CIA.” He is currently working as a. real estate agent in ‘Maryland but is’ ‘planning shortly to leave for Oslo, Noxway, where he will become involyed in the importation and sale of American automobiles. x, a He. was employed by" the Central Intelligence Agency from 1961 to 1964. During this period he became involved . as Administrative Assistant for a Russian defector, Golitsin,:., also known as [Ff In this capacity he was to spend approximately. five hours each day assisting| lin the pre- paration of a book. His "cover" was..that he (Donald) was - a student at Georgetown University, although knew that he was CIA. He described this work, under the. crypotonym, “RELADLE project," “ARN being the prefix relating to Soviet Russia. . - i - when[__Jor“colitsin, --as Donald referred to him, had been processed by the CIA and his bona fides accepted. ey was domiciled in a house || He se we a tent ca “ Me Beee e Interviewer ‘Signature Typed Signature James P Date transcribed 9-28-78 Form #4-y ‘By: br Docld:32263956 Page 3
Donald Deneslya Interview Page 2: HW 50955 The CIA had told him that he could write a book. It was Donald's feeling that Golitsin: .was.a very intelligent defector. His knowledge of leaks from Western Intelligence sources was phenomenal. He turned up traitors in many Western countries, including but not limited to: and gave the CIA information which led to the unmasking of "Kim" Philby, then the number two man in British Intelligence, as a Soviet agent. Donald said that Golitsin had been stationed in Vienna in 1954 and then brought back to the Soviet and placed in the section of So- viet (KGB) Intelligence which dealt with America and the Western countries. In this capacity he was able to read the material which these traitors had been sending to the Soviet side. He had an incredible memory. and had been plan- ning to "come over" to our side for some time so he prepped himself on things which would be to our interest to know. He defected in 1961 in Helsinki. went over to Helsinki to bring him back to the United States. One of Pocld: 32263956 Page 7d
HW 50955 Donald Deneslya Interview Page 3. the functions of Golitsin in Moscow had been the reading of high-level American Intelligence Reports which convinced him that there was a "mole" in the CIA, but he could not identify this person by name. While he was working for Golitsin,. Golitsin dictated a long letter describing the deficiencies in Western Intelligence ‘agenéies: which he was going to give to Robert Kennedy. It was Golitsin's feeling that the Soviets were winning the Intelligence War. Golitsin's principal handler was a Colonel Leonard Weigner, a foreign-born agent whose parents had come out of Russia through Mancuria. Weigner had been in Air Force Intelligence. He became involved in the Pirigov case in 1948-49. This involved a Russian MIG pilot who defected and brought his plane intact to the West. Weigner seemed to get along very well with Golitsin. Others who knew him at the time were Howard Osborne, now retired; } Dave Murphy (after 1963); John McMahon, a side-kick to Weigner out of SR-CI and Tennent Bagley, aka "Pete". Bagley, who was head of Counter Intelligence in the Soviet Russia Division. He also mentioned a Deputy to Bagley in SR. Boclda: 322763956 Page 5
HY 0955 Donald Deneslya Interview Page 4. In November 1962 Donald received a strange request from Golitsin. Rudolf Nureyev was appearing in Chicago, I1- linois and there was an ad in the paper that tickets were available at a certain bookstore. He wanted Deneslya to contact the store and find out where Nureyev was staying. . Deneslya had heard that the KGB was planning to kidnap or kill Nureyev. Deneslya told the writer that a Charles Bohr, a CIA doctor, was the case officer on Golitsin. Bohr was a psychiatrist. Deneslya said that he never heard anyone even remotely suggest that Golitsin was “paranoid” until he heard about the testimony of ex-CIA officer John Hart before HSCA. .It was his feeling that in 1963 the Agency had great respect for Golitsin because of the information which he was providing. There were times when they would gét exasperated with him because he would sometimes: go over the heads of the people he was dealing with ‘if he didn't think they were reacting to his information. Golitsin was apprehensive about Soviet world intentions and made no bones about it. He knew how widely the Soviets had penetrated other intelligence agencies. He told us about Felfe (ph.) and Klemens who had penetrated the Gehlen Organization of West German Intelligence which was the ‘same as penetrating the CIA because the Gehlen group was an extension. of CIA. Doctld: 32763956 Page 6
WW 50955 Donald Deneslya Interview . Page 5. From February to July 1963, Golitsin went to England to advise the British on the extent of Philby's damage. Deneslya says that when he returned to this country the attitude of some people in the SR Division had changed towards Golitsin. He detected a hostility towards Golitsin which had not been there before. When Donald first came into the CIA he worked in the Foreign Documents Division. ‘Among the various types of re- ports which came across his desk were "contact" reports which filtered in from the many contact divisions which the Agency had around the world. One.in particular caught his eye, circa July-August 1963. It concerned an American re-defector, a Marine, who would be returning to the United States "with his family." This ex-Marine had worked in ‘Minsk in a radio factory. The report, which Deneslya says came out of New York City, did not mention this defector by name. This, in itself, was not unusual because. the: ‘Con- tact Division liked to conceal sources. He said the report identified this person as a former Marine "cpl." or "cpt.", which beneslya felt could mean corporal or captain. He was certain they were talking about Lee Oswald. Deneslya said we could find this report probably in the Industrial Registry for the radio factory in Minsk. He said there was only one radio factory in Minsk. This Registry Doclda: 32263956 Page 7
HW 450955 Donald Deneslya Interview Page 6. is maintained by the CIA at Langley, Virginia headquarters and he thinks it was on the second floor in corridor "H." The fact that the contact report was out of New York was not significant because the report could have originated in Moscow and was rerouted and rewritten in New York, again to conceal the point of origin. He also told me that it was his experience that some- times the Agency, when they want to surface material in the "overt" side of the CIA, will say that it came from that side when in fact it did not. Deneslya said that it was also his information that the Russians sent over "dispatched" agents from time to time. He recalls that at one time there was discussion of an agent who was caught because. the Russians stamped his passport twice at different pages with the same stamp but with a dif- ferent date and this game him away. He did not recall the agent's name. Deneslya said that the Committee should determine who made out the #201 on Oswald--who opened it and what division they were in. He said that about a year after he gave testi- mony before the Senate Intelligence Committee (1975) he saw a report in the newspapers that someone in the CIA had recom- mended that Lee Harvey Oswald be contacted. Donald gave the writer a written authorization to in- spect his Senate Intelligence Committee testimony. Docld: 32263956 Page @