‘23 ] the staff people in when we focus “squarely on the hearings, as 2 indeed - we will, as ‘soon as specialization is fully completed. 3. - Dx we. Fithian. | So you are saying that this Monday. night © 4.| session might. not be the best session. | 5 ; Mr. Blakey. It might not be the best time to begin. 6 |. Mr. Fithian. I am not quarreling with that, ‘but I r just want 7 | to join in- om. saying I want to move a staff person in soon. TI . 3 | don! t want. it to be t ) days before we. "begin public hearings. gy. . Mr. Dodd. Will. the gentleman yield on. that. point? - 7 es ; Mr. Sawyer. —— 10° . - (tr would, Mr. Chairman, ‘like ‘to support what WaeoES is. aL suggesting. eee anRESSEI We have all discussed With 12 | each other here the necessity to have some sort of help, particulazly 13 during the public hearing procefss. I. think most of us had a 14 | staff person assigned in our own offices some time ago to this 15 areade anarctiven Tn my own case, that staff person ‘has left my . 16 employment, and I don" t even know what. they are doing, but I think 17 in the case of everyone else, t a) ‘they haven’ t done “anything.g 18 for a long time because of the nature of our hearings. 19 I was curious myseus8 about trying to bring someone on to 300 7TH STREET, $.W. , REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) 554-2345. 20 | work with me over the next thrge or for months, and it raised 21 -ciepmagiuaivem Gommintte epee, , the pos$ibility of going back - @ 22 and maybe getting some of those people that we no longer have 23 with us. I realize there are particular special problems involved y ‘ 94 | with that, issues that Mr... Blakey raised that I think are entirely 7 os legitimate. | | 4 oo . ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Dockd: 32266682 Page 24
8 5 boi o 6 aes) a & 7 xt _ SG : a. 9 oa 5 10 To. Q VW zB. y 12 a = @: mo 2 14 <3} a ; ian} & 15 3 ion] 3 16 A & 17 fe. = mR 18 = . & > 19 a 20 21 ® 23 24 25 Of) getting someone SfommtchenGonitikevoemmmENEe the fomnittee is aware ut with or - someonemthey would have. brought on, oF didn' ty because they of resources: to: go” ‘to, to get someone who would have a good working 13 an¢ you will be directly, personally | briefed by the senior staff 24 qs would like to add aS a request neree Since I would like to VS be able to have. someone: work with me, 4 there ss. a possibility Who - helpty | Someone of, tive would be a JOOMRPSESOMStosh aN Syne they may have dealt where , reached a level, they couldn’ t bring anyone else ont and I just. would Uke to be able to have someone, and I don't know what pool knowledge of the. thing before we begin. Mn Sawyer’. , a 7 —_ Bare I would like to endorse masbnaictnal concept. I think we are. absolutely going to have. ‘to have it. Mr... Blakey. One of the things that is going to happen or is happening is that. senior staff counsel are being assigned precisely the areas in which each of you will be specializing, people, My. bodd. It gets more ‘complicated than ‘that, Bob. We © to deal with are going to have sayOUrknowEwemaremgoingato: meheaze our own local (there will bey press in addition to what goes on here, andycalls coming into Concerning w @ the office, enya what,are yaw doing, and we,as individual members, handle have to ae all of that in terms of what was actually said and get some help what wasn't, and we have to PrGumiiesnotmiombemnine with it. I think we are being awfully shortsighted, in terms of the demands that are being placed on us as individuals, during that time period. And I think as much knowledge as these people are going to ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 327766682 Page 25
25 | have, without, encroaching on the very sensitive areas you have | 2} - “important outlined, TExeIhAR is ‘really someting at this point. : Txthciniemwe My. Saw yer’ 3 axexpuobabiyss sqosmmgmeccivavestomhaersom I would support BEECHES , he lp e 4 idea, and I would | add only eomthara that I would like some pexsone, from in 7 5 ~warah the committee coming up with someone who could be helpful to (6. “me personally that I would put on my own payroll during this period. 7 Spokes | 7 al Chatrmang I see no problem in working that out. 8 P a “Mr. Dodd. ‘I have a ‘request, Mr. “Chairman. 15, a duingnthesenbriesingmassirs You : are talking. about having . 10 . informal briefing sessions beginning on Monday, or at least. VY, : having one on. Monday about. where things | are. testes ve As we . When - Know ‘12 eventually pull the thing together, vwireme we lmizemqeddon wy 4 13) areas of specificity where we are going to be. working, Lie ee son | the 14 sort. of cell meetings with that staff _person from ene committee? ‘REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) 554-2345 JAS ; ; 7 Mr. Blakey. Let: me outline what will happen. We have _ _ 16 outlined. August and | september, into 17 subject matters, covering 7 a 7 the entire Kennedy hearings and. the ‘first phase of the King jaa al : 7 18 hearings. ‘They have been assigned to senior staff people to a 2 19 outline in detail. Those outlines will include the suggested oo 20 text of the narration, the suggested witness lists, md the questions 2\ to be asked of the witness, our recommendation as to whether @ | 22 eross= examination would be appropriate of that witness, and if 23, cross-examination is appropriate, what it should sound like, “the 24 specialization of at least two Menbers of Congress on that witness), 25 ‘what areas those two ffenbers of Congress might want to raise with : ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld:322766682 Page 26
the specialization has been cranked into “it, a senior staff person will come and work with the Congressman or the Congressman and “his staff in that area. - nN . 2B 6 ww a S 7. Se 3 8 N , ) a 9 Z BO yA de: 9. 10 | A000 a 11 = . g 12 oe 8 @E. 2 14 S : a fon} . 2 15 a] . a s 16 e 17 ic oo «18 jen) & - 19 3 20 21 @ 22 7 23 24 25 Docld: 32266662 will be possible for + any Npnber 0 of ‘congress to. ) come and read at will then be possible for’ ‘the = entire fonnittes’ to sit in. a of the hearings, ‘not | necessarily missed, ‘because major roles will "26 this witness, all of the exhibits and demonstrable evidence that | might be introduced on that cay. When all: of that is outlined and the backup material that supports it is put together and | me books will be prepared on each of the areas so that it directly through all the books, in ‘effect, preview the entire set of hearings. ‘Once it. gets outlined with that kind of _specifici y, strategy session on exactly what the. hearings look like , what questions should be asked, what questions should be done on certain days. By specializing like that, it should be possible for a /Menber of Congress to choose not. to be present on a ye content day because he knows. what is. coming up and probably’ in “the context be played by different people on different days, although sme tim will be reserved for, probably under the #iferminute rule, for each Member to ask any questions any day. | Well, I am sure you can remember in the hearing involving Mr. Nosenko, how frustrating and ineffectual questioning of a significant witness is under the eGerninute rule. You get your first question in and it goes on to the next person. -The defector really was wiped out by direct and cross*examination and then ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Page ?7 :
‘27 -] | totally regained his posture and composure, and frankly began 2] to give the top level, he. gained the, upper hand in dealing with 3 |. the fommittee because he talked all the time and the Zommittee only © 4 talked Se minutes. | 5 YY so tt that if we can avoid that kind of situation in our hearings, -6 | we would be much. better off. 7 — Mr. Chairman, it might be appropriate at this time to 8. ~ resume the roll call on ‘the. immunity question. on Gi | Bie Ghaizman, ‘The: ne perk » wild inform Mr. “McKinney ‘at this 10° time. of. the. motion. - Wp! Ms. Rerning. There is a “resolution to confer the immunity - 12 | that you have 0 rhe fF eian made the motion. We have 13 | a vote. oO 300 7TH STREET, §.W., REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) 554-2345 14 Have you had a chance to look at it?» . 15 Mr. McKinney. Yes. 1 | Sie Chairman, ‘All. right, continue the count. = - “17 Ms. Berning. Mr. McKinney. Aye. My. MSKinney. 18 Ms. Berning. And Mr. Preyer. 19 [No response. | 20 Ms. Berning. Eight ayes, Mr. Chairman. ; - Shrkes 2) Time” (Chairman, — All right. Bight members having voted in the x ) 22 affirmative, the immunity order is: granted. 23 Mr. Blakey. There is nothing ‘else ‘to bring before the 24 gomittes at. this time, Mr. Chairman. “O5 t Mr. Dodd. You will let us know about the meeting on Monday ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. DocId: 32266682 Page 25 . .