aa a” DoclId: 322763410 | to bring that to Mr. Helms' attention and he might be able to comment on it. Mr. Goldsmith. As I said, the Committee has received he was drugged and then, after being drugged, he was interro-_ gated. That is why this is an issue before the Committee at this time. Mr. Craig. Thank you. Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Ambassador, turning to another area, oe eee specifically back to Mexico City, <is: the name Luisa Calderon familiar to you? ~ Mr. Helms. I just read it in one of the documents you gave me here this morning. WL a ee Mr. Goldsmith. For purposes of refreshing your recollec- tion a bit further, I would ask you to look at CIA No. 1936, which. appears in’Volume No. 2 and specifically on pages 1950 ae through 1954, _ t Mr. Helms. you want me to go -- I have 1936. Mr. Goldsmith. I want you to Look at 1936, only so that you would see the document that you are going to be reading from, but the relevant pages are 1950 thorugh 1954. Mr. Helms. Just a second. | (Pause): I see. What is the date of this document, Mr. Goldsmith? 3 St Se Was this back at the time of the Warren Commission? page 130 TRAD QECRCT testimony by Mr. Nosenko in which he specifically stated that eee _—_ ne ne ee a et ae A Et A A A A A RR LR A | 1-129 | -
wd tin Oo) NO end 17 tascione DoclId: 322763410 DI ee, 42 Lm j=) wt fs) = wi fart 1-130 Mr. Goldsmith.., No... This document is a 1975 document prepared by Raymond Rocca in response to a 15 April 1975 letter by David Belin:.. of the Rockefeller Commission. Mr. Helms. I see. That is the same David Belin . that was on the Warren Commission and later ghost-wrote the book for President Ford:about the Warren Commission? Mr .Goldsmith. I do not know about the book on President Ford, but it is the David Belin who was the Warren Commission staffer. Mr. Helms. That is the same one, then. ‘Mr. Goldsmith. I would ask you specifically to read through pages 150 through 1954, | Mr. Helms. 1950 through 1954, all right. Mr. Goldsmith, Starting with paragraph number 18. Mr, Helms. All right. (Pause) THE SECRET
‘HOMAS :msl1 Ss TACIONE:at ] 2 3 eo . 16 5 a a zB 6 w a a 7 a S 8 N O A 9 z & & 10 Z a 4 11 = g 12 a a 2 14 ie ao faa] S 15 <3 Es ig (6 nN g 17 ia} = mS 618 x a = «19: 5 20 21 e ” 23 24 25 | nificance of her statement standing alone really is not very 1-131 Mr. Helms. Where did you want me to stop reading? Mr. Goldsmith. 1954. Mr. Helms. I am sorry, I have a couple of pages to go. ‘Mr. Goldsmith. Please stop once you have gotten to the end of paragraph number 23. Mr. Helms. Fine. All right... Mr. Goldsmith. After having read this document, which describes the conversation involving a wman named Luisa Calderon, or someone whom it appears as Luisa Calderon, is the name familiar) to you at all? Mr. Helms. It doesn't bring back any memories. Just as I said, I identified it from that document you showed me this morning but I don't remember anything about her. | Mr. Goldsmith. Now, the pages that you read pertain to a conversation involving Luisa in which there is some suggestion of foreknowledge on her part, foreknowledge of the assassination,:[ and, of course, the significance of that foreknowledge, the sig- great. However, in light of the fact Luisa Calderon had connec- tions or may have had connections with Cuban intelligence, the significance of her statement suggest iy the foreknowledge has escalated. Do you recall ever having had the statement brought to your attention, this conversation acne gur attention? 4 Pootua i ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 322763410 Page 132
aa 24 ac a DoclId: 32263410 See 3 nes 1-13 Mr. Helms. I do not remember it ever having been brought to my attention. Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know if that conversation was brought to the attention of the Warren Commission. I know nothing about it. To the vest of my recollection this is the first time I have seen reference to it. Mr. Goldsmith. Will you now refer to CIA 1843? Mr. Helms. 1843? Mr. Goldsmith. That is in volume l. stops at 1874.— There we are. | Yes sir, I have that in front of me. Mr. Goldsmith. I would ask you to read the handwritten notation on this page. | Mr. Helms. Is this ICC or just CC for copy? I guess it is copy. CC for copy. Original and translation sent to Galbo via Kingman, nothing to Bureau yet. (2), one copy original and trans to Luisa Calderon and a a big P. | Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know whose handwriting that was? Mr. Helms. No, I don't. Mr. Goldsmith. I indicate for the record that the reference to Luisa Calderon P would probably refer to her P file, which is the local file in the Mixico City station. Mr. Helms. I see. I don't know whose handwriting that age 133 TAP CEPRIT 7 Mr. Helms. Yes sir. It is in volume 1, is it? This one.: 2 n ce ne er een me ct ee Seen : . , is,
‘ aa @ 22 73 24 DocId: 322763410 King. Who Kingman was I have forgotten. this transcript from the Bureau? Mr. Helms. It just says nothing to Bureau yet. them yet. Mr. Goldsmith. Your ‘reading. of thatis correct, lee sa that to mean it was withheld, it just hadn't | ! j nothing to Bureau yet. I will rephrase the question. lof that do you know why there would have been a desire ho i hold this transcript even temporarily from the Bureau? ' i \ } | | i FI i | | i i descriptive? \_ - Mr. Goldsmith. Would you refer at this time to CIA number 19 S Mr. Helms. ‘That is in volume 2, then, isn't it? 1-133 Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know who Galbon or Kingman -- Mr. Helms. I know (who Galbon is. This is Cononel J. c. Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know why anyone would have wanted I don't got to it In to Mr. Helms. No, I don't. No, I don't. Over inthe here it says 22 Novenber LIN, which I assume from what we Luisa Calderon and the man outside. Those would be simply i For the record, that is a blind memo dated 10 April ldabelea material from Pp 8593, shown to Warren Commission. | | | | Mr. Goldsmith. Yes sir. | |Station House -~ | | =F> Mr. Helms. Yes, I have looked at that page now. Feb age 134 THE RESET . says Light with-_ column | were saying this morning is , the cryptonym for the telephone taps, 1964,
i) in Docld: 322763410 | | 1-134 | Mr. Goldsmith. Is there any indication from that page that the Calderon. conversation was. shown to the Warren Commis- Sion staffers when they went to Mexico City? | | I | Mr. Helms. .English translations of calls made by Oswald to | the Russian Embassy; English translation of conversations | , || between Dorticos Armas. It doesn't look that way. Is there something I ahve missed? | Mr. Goldsmith. No. At this time would you refer to CIA number 2205 and 2206. That would appear in volume 3. When i $ ] | i ! \ | | you get to 2205 -- | Mr. Helms. I have got 2220. I an closing in on it. “That; goes back up again. | | : Mr. Goldsmith: For the record, I would indicate that | 2205 is a memo for the record dated 11 April 1964, the subject , \ | { | of which is a visit by three staff represenatives of the Warren | Commission. I would ask you to read paragraph 7 on page 2206. Mr. Helms. All right. “Somebody has slapped a reproduc j - -tion of a prohibited stamp all over this and it makes it a little hard going: If you will forgive me, I. am going as fast as I can.. | Mr. Goldsmith. Fine. Mr. Helms. All right, I have read paragraph 7. ee ene mee ee eee eee en re oe nee ty i ; i Mr. Goldsmith. Having read that paragraph, is there any | | reference in that. paragraph to the Luisa Calderon conversation | | | | i being shown to the Warren Commission staff? | bage 195 TAD Crrort i i i
in ta e 22 73 24 Docld: 32263410 1-135 Mr. Helms. All it says, reviewed the tape from the tele- phone taps. I assume that means for the days 27th, 28th, l 4 Cobober, Oswald, at both Cuban rand Soviet Embassies. I assume those are only on Oswald's conversations since the Calderon — conversation you were talking about was with some unidentified man. I don't know they regard that as Oswald or include it. Mr. Goldsmith. It was also dated 22 November, 1963. Mr. Helms. Right. Then I guess that was not included here:: At least I don't see any evidence in this statement. Mr. Goldsmith. To your knowledge, was this transcript ever given to the Warren’ Commission? | | Mr. Helms. Of Calderon? Mr. Goldsmith. Yes. TRL a Mr. Helms. I have no idea. Mr. Goldsmith. Do you think it should have been given to the Warren Commission? Mr. Helms. I can't see any particular rsason not to have given it to the Warren Commission. I can think of no reason. Mr. Goldsmith. Especially in the light of the fact the | Agency had information that Luisa Calderon was GI or possibly connected with BGI? If this material had been given to the Warrent Commission -~ by this term I am referring to the Calderon transcript, would a record of such transmission be available anywhere? eee ee et - =. Mr. Helms. I would have thought so. I thought they were Bage 136 TR CEPetT .
1-136 | trying to keep reasonably careful records as to what was sent eb usually are and should be careful about what kind of documenta- an tion goes out of their building to anyone, and there is usually 2 the Warren Commission. After all, the intelligence agencies a record of it, particularly if it is highly classified and | t i | | Mr. Goldsmith. Was Luisa Calderon connected in any way with } the CIA? | e Mr. Helms. I nver heard of any connection she had with th sensitive. So I would have thought there would be a record. CIA. If she did it was unknown to me. . - | a OO a | Mr. Goldsmith. I would ask you to refer at this time to | CIA number 2950. It appears in volume 3. Mr. Helms. 2950, right. one be Mr. Goldsmith. This is not a very good quality reproduc- tion, so take your time reading it. "ow wo ~ — _ — ron) ve oO ~i Mr. Helms. 2950? Mr. Goldsmith. Yes sir. . Mr. Helms. All right, I am there now. Let me read this out loud to see if I am reading the same thing that you are. In paragraph 4, of the Litawil 9 contact report for 17 July, "attached to reference L-9 reported that Luisa Calderon has a sister residing in someplace in Texas, married to an American ‘ we nee ee ee of Mexican descent. L-8 can further identify the sister." I can't read that next word. . : wN) to , to =] n mom ‘Mr. Goldsmith. Domestic. DoclId: 322763410 Page 137 THD QrngeryT
, bur SELALI - 1-137 Mr. Helms. “Domestic Exploitation Section might be in a | | a ; ; | position to follow up on this lead. Please levy this mec srenepe on L-9 at the next opportunity. i ! dae w oe een ce oo en er ee Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Ambassador, what is the Domestic Exploitation Section? | Mr. Helms. Well, I don't know that I recall exactly what at is, unless it was an interrogation unit that the Miami station used to interrogate refugees and other people coming a “NI an on 9 over from Cuba. If it is not that, I don't remember what the 10 Domestic Exploitation Section was. Mo ur. Goldsmith. Is it possible that the Domestic Exploita- | 12 4 tion Section could have been a component within SAS? Mr. Helms. Possibly. But then SAS had control over the i ~* cs i } ( | | | | | i | | | | | | | ! i i) | Miami station and I would have thought it was somewhere in that complex. Mr. Goldsmith. Did the use of the Domestic Exploitation Section in any way violate the AGency's charter? = ren | 13 | Mr. Helms. Not that I ever heard of. I think the | 19 | Domestic Exploitation Section was there, FBI knew about it, ! 20 | the intelligence community knew about it, it had a specific : 21 | purpose, I don't think there is anything about itsthat violated t the Agency charter. As far as I know I never considered it in that category. e * a 33 | . ft : 24 | Mr. Goldsmith. What again was the specific purpose of this i 2s f section? - | y= ene end DoclId: 322763410 age 138 Th QrPQIT .
| . Mr. Helms. I don't know. If it is what I thought it was,} | | | 2 | . | it was a group that interrogated refugees that came from Cuba. | : | o Mr. Goldsmith. Might this section have been used as a means © * | _by which an effort could be made to contact Luisa Calderon | i and take advantage of her possibilities as a CIA agent) as a 6 source of information? : | Mr. Helms. I don't understand your question. I am sorry. , { a Mr. Goldsmith. Well, could this Domestic Exploitation | | a Section have been used for the purpose of establishing a contact | 7 between the Agency and Luisa Calderon so that her assistance | 11 ||. ox services could be ‘solicited for the Agency? . 12 Mr. Helms. My recollection is I don’t recall any Domestic! Exploitation SEction that was recruiting agents. Mr. Goldsmith. Other than A. M. Mug, the Cuban defector | | | | | ' | i | 1s | to hwom you made reference earlier today, did the AGency obtain | | 16 | additional information pertaining to Oswald and the assassina-_ a tion from sources or agents connected in some way with DGI? as “12 Mr. Helms. I don't honestly know. I would have hoped | 13 | there would have been more than just one defector, but I may be 20 | wrong. We were having a very difficult time getting intelli- : 2 | gence inside Cuba and. maybe we didn't get anything from anybody) @. 22 else. I would -have hoped we would have gotten something more : . | from refugees or agents or somebody like that. 3 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. ° In 1963 and 1964, did the Agency have any as agents or sources of information within the Cuban Embassy or Docld: 32263410 bage 139 TAB etPacttT |
aan DoclId: 322763410 4 UP SLuAdc | 1-139 Consulate in Mexico City? Mr. Helms. 1 don't know. Mr. Goldsmith. Would you refer at this point to CIA. number 2977. That would appear in volume 3, I believe. Mr. Helms. 2977? Mr. Goldsmith. Yes sir. Mr. Helms. That would be volume 2. All right. Memoranda from Mr. J. Lee Rankin. Mr. Goldsmith. Please skim through the memorandum and then read the next page. Mr. Helms. And then read the next page. Mr. Goldsmith. To yourself, sir. | Mr. Helms. Right. I have read it. . Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Ambassador, Silvia Duran, who is <=. someone of important concern to this Committee, and my question. here is not directed towards the substance of the memo but rather to the source of the information, appaivently here the Agency received information concerning Duran from someone who: had direct personal knowledge. Do you know who the source of this information was? Mr. Helms. No, I don't know who the soruce was, Mr. Goldsmith, but if you are asking my opinion in reading this, I would assume this just is our way of covering up the fact this came from a telephone tap. aye 140 - FNP CEPRET . : a | ; | | | | | | | |
1 tur oobvae i 1-140 Mr. Goldsmith. Right. Do you know whether or not Silvia _— fi Duran at any time had any connections with CIM was she an agent nN or source of information for the AGency? Mr. Helms. Not that I have heard. an in woe | Mr. Goldsmith... Are you able: to refer specifically to | 6 language in this memo that would indicate that the source of | ? the information was a telephone operation? : 8 | Mr. Helms. No, I am not. I simply was voicing the | | opinion that when it says a reliable and sensitive source, well | informed on political personalities and events in the Cuban , nl Embassy and Consluate in Mexico City, I am simply assuming that! 2 | in order to cover up the fact this information came from variou _. r 13 | telephone conversations they simply are using this descriptive a! rubric . to cover that fact. I am not sure of this; that is 1§ | just my assumption. 16 | Mr. Goldsmith. Mr.. Ambassador, are you familiar with the ' Mr. Helms. Whom?. Mr. Goldsmith. Teresa Proenza,. PRoenza, the Cultural Attache at the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City? name Teresa Proenza? Mr. Helms. I don't recall here name, no. I think I would -~- Proenza Proenza. nN ix) Mr..Goldsmith. Did the Agency in 1963 in Mexico Cith have any penetration agents and sources of information within the Soviet Embassy or Consulate? a DoclId: 322763410 — TAP CFPRET
LL fur ofbaZl 1-141 moma Mr. Helms . I don't know. A Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Ambassador, are you familiar generally . with th- allegations that were made after the assassination AlvaraLe by a Nicaraguan named Atarada to the effect he had witnessed I Oswald receive $6500 in cash from a redheaded negro at the Cuba Embassy? | P. i | | Mr. Helms. I do recall vaguely this Alvarada@ allegation | P and it was my impression that that all fell to pieces, that thi} a - Se | oa fellow was just trying to skike somebody down for some money, a or it was self-importance, but never had been able to prove that this was the case. eat page 4, , Mr. Goldsmith. I would ask you to refer now to 2101, which appears in voIume 4, which is a polygraph result summary res and rather than réading the entire document, please refer to paragraph number 7. Mr. Helms. I see. 17 | I have read it. _ 3 Mr. Goldsmith. Now, paragraph number 7 indiates that this) . allegation apparently was resolved when Alvarada admitted he 20 | had made a mistake and he essentially admitted that he had al with respect to the polygraph devices a means of testing one's we ee aren - truthfulness. The issue which the Committee is concerned with at this @: 22 il A 331 24 | time, however, appears on page 2100, the top of the page, where} | oo a5 | piarada is quoted, where it is indicted to have stated, and I a it , | i Docld:32263410 Plage 142 TAB @tracT
! ap uP StGKLI 1-142 reading now, that he wanted to protest his unjust treatment and negotiating over death. 7 the fact he was given money since he does not believe in | i | Perhaps it would be good if you did read paragraph 1, so | . | | | | | | 5 we are not talking out of context here. | 6) Mr. Helms. Is this atsrada we are talking a | 7 Mr. Goldsmith. Pardon? | 8 Mr. Helms. It says subject here. Is that AYarada? | a Mr. Goldsmith. Yes sir. This is the Nicaraguan who made | 10 4 the allegations concerning Oswald receiving money. : in| Mr. Helms. I se. - | 12 | I have read it. | Mr. Goldsmith. Now, do you know whether Alarada was given : i uy a en re Oswald? | money in reference to the allegations that he was making about | | =o. Mr. Helms. I have no recollection of this at all. The ‘only thing that twigged a memory cell in my head was the _ redheaderd negro. That always seemed to be a silly story that stuck in my head over all these years. The other details I don't recall. n nN ~~ _ _ _ Oo +o oo “I — joer eS = Sa ae Mr. Goldsmith. The statement in here that is of concern re 22 to the Committee is the one that suggests that either for . 33 | to | | { | | or - % | making the story for &tracting the story AFa@rad@ was given \.° 24 money. I am wondering if this issue was ever investigated by = as =~ the Agency? “pocta:32263410 Hage 143 . “np “tT Potcy \ I |
13 ivr peune | 1-142 Mr. Helms. I don't know. He was apparently dealing with the State Department people down there, is that correct? 9 a ee ee nN) In any event, do you know anything about Alaradw receiving Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Ambassador, I believe OSS refers to - ; . ODAGID | c ©} * the FBI. | 5 Mr. Helms. State Department. | . : | 5 if Mr. Goldsmith. I won'targue with you over that one, sir. | | In any event, the record-indicates that. | 3 | Mr. Helms. I will show you in another one of your docu- | | | 9 | ments that the FBI had a different cryptonym. If you look at 10 | the document with dissemination of original Lee Harvey Oswald | . . : 1. Nn report to local authorities, you remember the one that goes / | | 12 | back -- @ i3 | Mr. Goldsmith. | Yes. . it oo | 1s Mr. Helms. -- you will find the thing broken out and _ 4 i 15 | you will find that, I think, in those days the FBI was known 16 | as ©ODNV. And the State Department was ODACID. | 17 | Mr. Goldsmith. I believe that you are correct in that | -~ 2 | score, Mr. Ambassador. . | 19 | Mr. Helms. I don't know but that is my recollection. | 20 | Mr. Goldsmith. My source in this room tells me youare | 71 | correct. | | ae | | “| | | - | money? LY 73 24 Mr. Helms. No sir, I do not, nothing whatever. te a¢ Mr. Goldsmith. Was the Warren Commission ever told about Docld: 322763410 bage 144 REL) CrPorrT
1-144 ree his moreorless cryptic reference to being offered money and Mr. Helms. I don't know what they knew about the AVarad@| oa | | | negotiating over death? | \ | case except from what you showed me earlier. They apparently | | in were briefed about it. | would have been given a copy of this polygraph summary? | | i | ; Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know whether the Warren Commission a Mr. Helms. I don't know. If they asked for it I suppose ,| | other wise I wouldn't have thought so. poygraph summaries are o usually pretty closely held. That is not a very scientific | | "I instrument. | ! 2 | ' Mr. Goldsmith. Again, if they had been given:this [| © 13 | summary, would there be a record of that somewhere at the | Agency? ' | is | Mr. Helms. I would have thought so. : _ Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know where that record would be? | a Mr. Helms. I have no idea. Probably in the Security 4S 7 Office somewhere. | 19 | Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Chairman, at this time I am finished | 20 | with another line of inquiry. I note that it is 3:25 ang 2 | that we have to leave this room at 4, If you have questions “| | @ | 29 I. would’ certainly: defer: to you at this point. | . 7 _ Mr. Preyer. | | | | ! There is one question I wanted to ask, which isn't : | ag directly related to our inquiry here, although it is indirectly DocId: 32263410 Page 145 THD GEABET .
| 4s VP BeouaAe i | | 1-145 related to the Mexican aspects of it. the United States, as we have read in the paper, and over the 1 | | > | a | é | Recently Premier Castro made a very harsh speech attacking 3 | | | | course of this Youth Festival that was held there several others 4 $n | | 5 | were brought forward. (1), the Consul in the Mexican Embassy there, Mr. Azcue, apparently made a speech to the Youth Festiva] in Mexico, was not Oswald, or he had questions about whether it was Oswald. So for some reason, perhaps on his own or his government, he has floated the idea of two Oswalds. 7 which in effect said the man who came to the Cuban Embassy } Now, whether to confuse the issue or not, I don't know. I think this Committee can probably demonstrate that conclusively by good hard evidence that there was only one | | y is | Oswald and that Mr. Azcue is wrong on that score. i The other point which gives me more concern is the attack Mr. Castro made in his allegations that CIA in this country had, 17 : foreknowledge of the assassination of President Kennedy and that-- ~ aa 13 | they deliberately tried to pin the blame on the Cuban Government. ig || That apparently is the new line and he has made that charge in ht 20 a public forum, for all the world to hear. How much the world 2] | would believe that, knowing the source it comes from, I Suppose ri 22 is debatable, but I imagine many Marxist countries of the | - | 493 | world are taking that as gospel now. : | 24 \ So the question I wanted to ask is on the second point, | | se f and it is as to his charge that the CIA had foreknowledge of Docld:32263410 Page 146 THAD CrPatT