} 1 ee nn | | LHL | So | : In other words, he does not. indicate the file should | at be opened up undex two names? a] Mss Goodpasture, ‘Right. ; “Mz, Goldsmith. .So.really there is no basis at all: for 5 7 thinking that the term "sic" indiaates what Scott had in mind | é 7 was an "aka" ig there? | There is no basis for reaching that g | conélusion, is there? "~ | | & 3 | Ms. Goodpasture. Would you repeat. that: again? - | , s | : 7 Mx, Goldsmith. certainly. | = io | “It is: apparent from the routing indication on page 6 | Boy] that Scott wanted the file opened on Lee Henry Oswald. 3 2 | Ms, Goodpasture. Right. ‘> . : 3 | Mr. Goldsmith. He gave no indication. on the routing : | slip that. he wanted the file open upcunder the name Lee Henry : 1s | Oswald aka Lee Oswald. There is no indication that the file - 7 was. to be opened up under two names, In light of that, there ic ral is really no hasis, ts ‘there, for conéluding that the use of : S| the phrase sic on page 7 refers to the term aka? | | : 7 Ms. Goodpasture. My. interpretation that the use of ! € = the word sic was; for the Lee Oswald, the first name in there | oof — ui en page 7 and that all. of the information about that name | ASSAF > BE nz that we did not know the full name on would go into. the other | 23 file, | | | Mr. Goldsmith, The "sic" is. pointing to the word 25) "Henry" is it not? | HW 50955 Docld:39977994 Page 133 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 001273.
1-132 Ms. Goodpasture. I feel that refers to the first “Lee Oswald in place of Lee Henry Oswald, the first line. We bab could argue that.. nN . , Ae Mr. Goldsmith. Is not.the arrow pointed right over are “Ms, Goodpasture, That is right, but it is also pointin At . and in between the "e" and "niin the word "Henry"? | | right to the beginning of the Lee Oswald name. oo To answer your question, I. do not know. * 2002% €202) 956-2945 : Mr.. Goldsmith.. In. any event, “sic" does not mean "aka" EEL © 6 Sn p.¢ Wey = io , does it? — : nl Ms. Goodpasture. ‘That is right. w { -- | = | Mr,. Goldsmith. Mr. Scott did not use those terms | ‘s “ot . . | @ 5 2 | interchangeably, did he? _ | = | ‘Ms, Googpasture. Did he --. | = : Is | Mr, Goldsmith.: Use the term "sic", ss-ice, and the : : 7 term "aka" interchangeably? He did not, as. a matter of | 4 '7.) custom, do that, did he? | 7 "Ms... Goodpasture. I. do not recall having seen him use | : | aka that. much at all. “I have seen sic several times after a = | name when there was no middle initial or where there was: | cee question about spelling. | fal 2 Mr. Goldsmith, I do not: bélfeve that ‘the answer was responsive. Do you know whether he used the term "sic" and "aka" interchangeably? _ i) bse 'Ms,: Goodpasture, No, I. do not kriow’, 0 0127 4 A . wena ac weenie Gm ALOSRSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HY 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page i134
HW 50955 ne vat cee mee ne ne ee eee ee eas CwTy . da Sa 4 oo 2nH24 (202) 654-2945 oe) Cc. f. BASHTHC TON , ey : ap a i - 1 i | I | REPORTERS BUTLICHG, h JW, $ 5 2aN 7TH STREET, i i | | | \ q } i 1 t ! i} i i i i Hl 1 sa | | | | i | | | | | | 1-133 Mr. Goldsmith. You testified-earlier, I believe, that upon receipt of this cable, the Tarasoffs, or Boris Tarasoff, made a voice comparison. Is that correct? Ms. Goodpasture. That = rr Mr. Goldsmith, Your testimony earlier, I believe, was that upon receipt of this cable from headquarters, Boris Tarasoff made a voice comparison of the tape recordings? a Ms. Goodpasture, That is right. Mr, Goldsmith. And they concluded -~ Ms .. Goodpasture . At some time after receipt of this cable, according to receipt of that note, I. do not know when. | | Mr. Gol@smith, He concluded that. it was the same person on both tapes, is that correct? | ‘Ms, Goodpasture. That is right. Mr. Goldsmith. I would like you to refer now to page 21 in Stack Cc, page 21. “Ms. Goodpasture. ‘one moment ,: eR “Mr. Goldsmith, We will make that page 22. Can you kdentify this. document? “Ms. Goodpasture, Yes, This is a copy of a cable that was sent from headquarters to Washington. - Mr.,Goldsmith. Who was the originating officer of this . Cable? — “Ms, Goodpasture,... I am. 001275 DocId:32277224 Page 135 ALEERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-134 © this. cable? — 5 | Mr. Goldsmith. .Who was the authenticating officer of . - . | an he | Ms. Goodpasture, I am. Mr.. Goldsmith. What is your understanding of the term im “authenticating officer"? What does that term mean? -Ms,.-Goodpasture. Someone who has the authority to sign a cable, to release it.. , | ao 2nO2" (202) $5¥-23N5 hc, sign a cable and release it, or is there anything that he. | Mr. Goldsmith. Would an authenticating officer simply | | | | : 4 = !0 |) would do beéfore.signing? = Ms. Goodpasture. The releasing officer was a superior 3 ; . officer, | Mr. Goldsmith.’ “It would be the responsibility of the ~ of the contents of the cable? | Is that. correct? | | l | authenticating officer, would it not, to verify the accuracy i 1 REPORTERS BUTLDTNG, Ms,: Goadpasture. Yes, that would be his responsibility. Mr. Goldsmith,..° Drawing your attention to the bottom of page 22, please read the second paragraph. It continues on to page’ 23, § oo ~ —_ oem revered Piva Onan tat areata eae JN 7TH STREET, S - (Pause). . ; 7 Ms,: Goodpasture, . Yes. - i t @ i ©"). mM. coldsmith. specifically, this seers to indicate | ‘“ i that the station is unable to. compare the voice of the first | G ** tape, which was erased pror. to. the receipt of the second call? 45 | . aol | Is: that.true? Is that what the document indicates? > MG: a : . - 001276 ‘ tH . ' "ALS ERSON REBORTING COMPANT, INC. HW 50955 DocId:32247224 Page 136 .
i . ; : 7 1-135 | | oe - a : , J | 0  - Ms..Goodpasture., Right. | 2 Mr. Goldsmith. Do. you have any. explanation for the inconsistency. between this document and your earlier testimony, I t ; 1 . ; i © | | of i * i ; i 43 that there was a voice comparison: made? a a : Ms, Goodpasture .. The only explanation that I can make | 3 4] is that the soviet transcriber made it on the basis of not | a | : S | listening to thé two tapes again over, but on his memory of | : 3 | vag, that ts the same man that I listened to and transcribed | eo ; | the tape from the Soviet Embassy, the man who called himself | : Lee Oswald.. | : nl Mr. Dodd, Counsel, E do not want to interrupt you. | . '2| Mrs. Goodpasture, you worked a long time. in that Embassy, . : 3 you are very familiar with technical terms and. terminology — | : ‘4 | that are used, z e Now, when you are doing a voice comparison and what | | “ is | all of that means, a voice” comparison, that is a rather | = i — : 7. | technical deséription of something, and you just stated a | : 8 a was made. I would assume ~ E ra by. that that you are telling this. Committee ~- and we are ° * | genera tae sow ave mae, we appreciate your testimony, | xaEe| we havea very difficult job in front of us, ‘We are trying : vs “| to get to the bottom of this whole story, and you are making | oe /' r U (it difficult, Oo oo | ‘I’ do not like to have to tell you that, but you are, You 3 eh are using the term "voice comparison" and you are indicating - re 001277. ; ; ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ?224 Page 137 ; i H H =f a HW 50955 Docld: 322
1-136 L to this committee that there 'was analysis made of a person's co 2 i ‘yoice , not the memory of a transcriber, It is a technical job 3 | It. is not. something that you leave te somebody who is merely | a s i a translator, and you just finished telling us that a voice | | 5 3 | | comparison was made. ‘Your own memorandum there on page 21 5 6 says that, in fact , one could not. have been made. | By | What is the truth here? S| | Ms , Goodpasture.. I think that what happened was that | ; 9 i the voice comparison, by taking the two tapes, I think the | : 10 | tape, had been destroyed, . | Z a Based on my memory now == - | E 2 ) Mx. Dodd, “What you just said a minute ago =-— < i ; a. E 13 - Ms. Goodpasture,. To tell you the truth, IT do not - | = a — “2B ; remember. | = : 1s 7 Mr. Dodd. What you just said a-moment ago is not | E 18 | true, then, that there is not a. voice comparison? | a 17 | Ms, Goodpasture, What I said a moment ago was based on | = | a note that had been made in.tHe files, that the transcriber = O43 | naastconparea the voices, and this note was written 14 years | a | | | S 20 | A2GOe. a a | Mr.. Dodd, Based upen your working knowledge of the Ea pe 22 ( terminology of voice comparison, does that normally involve | oa ae | | oe ee oo, i | +s | listening to two tapes with someone who is technically tzained i 24 | to make a determination as to whether or not the voices on two’ i 001278 5 | f | . different tapes are one and the same Berson? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 138
i | Ms. Goodpasture. The way it was. used, to me it would also mean that a person who had. listened to two tapes at dn | | | | | different times and said that they were the same, that it — be ‘a comparison by: hime i: | é * | Mc, Dodd,’ That was considered a'bona fide voice 2 7 comparison? | ~ iq - = - & | - Ms. Goodpasture. Not “in the technical sense that you é a are referring to. You are correct. ¢ | Mr. Dodd. ‘counsel, you may proceed, I am awfully a | ' Z | confused about: your statement. : "| “Ms. Goodpasture. ‘I apologize for that. It is. a con= ; 12 fusion tome of so much. material. at one time, going over it ae : i. | and the details of it. But I honestly do mot: remember being =. r¢ present when thése tapes were listened to, or a conversation : Is 2 relating to it, It was this material that: came up in the : 6 files, “ rz Mr, Dodd, You understand, when you are talking aout g '* | votes being compares:, you are comparing a tape of someone > E 1e | speaking. | 5 | | Ms. Goodpasture.." Right. — an Mr. Dodd, You cannot maké a comparison. based on a See id . @ YS | transcript or someone's. memory: of a tape that had been - a "2. | aestroyed, By your own testimony. | ~ . 7 | Ms‘. Goodpasture. A better way to explain it would have Mw tn been, probably; if this occurred, would have been to. have . 001275 i oo \ERSCON REBORTING COMPANY, ING. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 139 _ALOERSCN REFOR %
HW 50955 1-138 7 said that the transcriber who listened to both tapes said | : that it was the same person rather than using the term | 2 "voice comparison." | Mr,. Dodd, You sent out ‘this'memo. Let me refer you | 5 s | to page 67. | ; i : 6 Ms. Goodpasture. Yes, sir. | | E 7 Mr. Dodd... Stack C.. | = a To sam olooking. ate thigoohewz «story: here, oor ose! u 2 | Can. I ask you, is that your handwriting on the bottom there? a | | r 2 i You see the documentation? | z 7 Ms. Goodpasture. Yes, sir. 5 i = 2 Mr. Dodd. Whose handwriting is that? ts i - : 2 | “Ms, Goodpasture. It is mine. | = 4 Mr. Dodd. | Read that for me... I ‘can't read your hand~ | g V3 | priting too well. What does that say? | : iS Ms. Goodpasture,.— It says the caller from the Cuban 7 ” | Embassy. was unidentified until Headquarters sent traces on | E 8 | Oswald and voices compared by. who is. the Soviet | = 9 translator. | 5 7 Mr. Dodd, When did you make that annotation? | nn SES MS. Goodpasture . When? pe an Mr, Dodd. ves. 1 | Ms. Goodpasture,. I do not know. | | Mr, Dodd. Approximately? : ae Ms. Goodpasture, I would. assume. we made it-some time ! | | — 001280 pocta:392/"7924 “Page 140 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY ING: oo :
| | - | : 1-139 t | after the date of this article. To answer your question. K 1 { 1) truthfully, I do not know. . a] Mr. Dodd... Was it ten years ago, a year ago? cea ; Ms. Goodpasture. The date on this article was 21 Octobe Es : | 1964. _ 3 7 Mr. Dodd. Would you have done it right at the time that, 5. a the article had come out? / § 7: - Ms; Goodpasture, I will tell you -- : : Mr, Dodd. Unfortunately; we are going to have to : 10" break again for another vote.and I am. going to come back g 1 | again in five minutes. In that five minutes, I want you to a , 2 12 | think very hard about when you made that annotation. I am © 2 13 ‘going to ask you to give me an answer to ‘that, = 1 I do not want to have to. remind you here that you are a | sworn to tell. the whole truth to this Committee ‘and it is ; : \s | vitally important. | 4 7 | -Ms,. Goodpasture, That is what I have heen trying to z 1a | do. | 5 a = 19 Mr. Dodd. .This is a very important matter. We will 5 20 | take a recess and come back. in five minutes and I would like | ae you. to think about. it during those five minutes, and then I. ! ~ ry lass vf v would like you to give me your best answer to that question 2 Le I yyust asked you. : a, 2 ~ We will stand in recess. (A brief recess was taken.) . ; 001281 | i oo ERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 141 — ALDERSON REPORT NS CoM
— Mr... Dodd, - Picking up, Mrs. Goodpasture,. where we left |; t | . 1-140 | off at the time of the last break and you have had a few minutes to think over my question, I do not want you to think dab de for one second that I am particularly being tough in any Es 5 way. It is just that these. are very, very important ques- | 3 ‘| tions and I would like you to answer you as honestly and as | E | candidly as you can as to when you think you made that : 2 | notation. S | Ms, Goodpasture, I think that I made the notation within . : 10 | | about a week or ten days after the date of the newspaper } t i i i | ! t article, because this was a Washington article and it would UASINLHGTON , i |! have been sent to us in Mexico through a pouch, = 13 Mr. Dodd. 1964? irae Ms. Goodpasture. I think it would have been some time 3 | towards the end of October, 1964. WV. REPORTERS BUTLDTNG, { a | We Mr. Dodd. Did I understand you correctly to respond : | to counsel's question, turning to page 22, that you were : 8 the releasing officer, authenticating officer -- which was it | = aa on that memo? Did I hear your response to that correctly? | . 5 20 | Mr. Goldsmith. Were you the authenticating officer of at this. memo? . | . | : és = ym : Yee ae wy ' a A 3 Ms. Goodpasture, | Yes, | Mr. Dodd. You were the authenticating officer for “ 42} a “Ms. Goodpasture, Cable, . 0012 82 | { | 25 © | that memo? ' if i f c 4 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 142 }
1-151 7 | ta Turning to page 30 of the documents in Stack C, this 2 | is a duplicate of Mexico number 7025, is that correct? 4 3 H Ms. Goadpasture, Yes. > | Mr. Goldsmith. This is the same cable that in paragraph 2 : 4 makes a reference to saying that Oswald is identi- - 3.6 | cal with the person who spoke broken Russian. involved in the | 5 7 Cuban Embassy on September 28th, is that correct? | S 3 ‘Ms » Goodpasture, Wait a minute; I am not following you, J § page 30? | : 1g Mr. Goldsmith. “Turn to page 30. That is a duplicate | = 11 | of 7025, That is the Mexico copy of 7025. _ : 3 Hl = 12 Ms. Goodpasture. -Mexico -7025, right. Gc é 13 Mr. Goldsmith. This is your copy, the one that you : ie | referred to earlier On page 28 and 29 was the copy that | : 1s went to headquarters, is that correct? | : . ig -Ms : Goodpasture.. Yes. | “ 7 i Mr. Goldsmith. Fine . We are talking about the same | 2 18 | cable now,. In each case, paragraph ‘4 makes the same reference a | =. ia ‘to Oswald's. being identical, et cetera, et. cetera. Who was | S 20° ; the authenticating officer, page 32 , I baélieve. | | og Se ; se Coodpasture. L amo ! e - yo Mr. Goldsmith, Turning back to page 23, which refers | | * to Mexico 7023 ,iwho is the. authenticating. officer of that . | % Ms. Goodpasture.. I am. 0 0129 5 | | | ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. : HY 50955 DBocld: 32277224 Page 153