Mirabal Interview Page 33. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Have you ever had any conversations with anyone about what we're talking about today? os At that time? Yes. Yes, at that time we were talking with the different officers of the Embassy, because the press was talking about these events very frequently. But after some days, nothing was said. I haven't talked about this-- : These were all informal conversations? Yes. Among comrades. Have you ever participated in any investigation of what happened? No. Eithen then or subsequently? So far, no. | Let me show you the copy of a visa application supplied to us by-the Cuban government, number 779. Let me direct your attention to the lower right-hand corner. , Do you see the signature there? Is that your signature? Yes, it is. _ Could you tell us how that application would have been filled out? Who typed it?
Mirabal Interview Page 34. Mirabal: It was typed by the secretary to Sylvia Duran. I suppose so, because she was the one in charge of that. But she used to fill out applicaticns. Blakey: Where would she have gotten the information on the top part of the application? Is that the signature of Lee Harvey Oswald? Mirabal: The applicant is the one that supplies the infor- . mation. Blakey: Where would she have gotten the information that appears below the phrase? Mirabal: It was drafted by myself. Blakey: ‘Would you have dictated this to her? Mirabal: I wrote it down ona piece of paper and I gave it to her. Blakey: where would you have gotten the information? Mirabal: From the documents he showed to me, and fron: the call I made to the Embassy. I think thatis what is expressed there. Do you mind if I read it? \ Blakey: No, please do. Mirabal: The applicant says that he is a member of the Com- munist Party of the United States. It seems to say : "Secretary in New Orleans of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee" and also that he
Mirabal Interview Page 35. lived in the U.S.S.R. from October 1959 up to June 19, 1962. That's what he said... That while there he got married with a Soviet-citi- zen. He produced some documents that accre- dited him as member of the organizations men- tioned before and a marriage certificate. He presented himself at the Embassy of the U.S.S.R. in this city requesting a visa to visit the Embassy in Cuba. We called up the Consulate of the Soviet Union and they told us that they had to wait for the authorization of Moscow in order to issue the visa and that it would take approximately four months. That is, that what he declared and the different consultations I made with the Consulate so that the Cuban au- thorities might be able to understand. Blakey: When would this application have been typed in this fashion? ... Mirabal: At that moment. Blakey: The information would have been, I take it then, directly given to Sylvia Duran by Mr. re Oswald. And the other information would have been given to you. an Mirabal: Not to me alone but to Azcue. Both.
Mirabal Interview Page 36. Blakey: And thén it would have been typed on the applica- tion, and Mr. Oswald would have signed it right then? Mirabal: I don't remember now if he signed before or after- wards, but it was the same day. Blakey: Do I understand you to say that he may have signed an application in blank and then the information would have been typed into it afterwards? Mirabal: It is possible because that is something that be- longs to the Mission. It is not signed by the applicant; he just only commit himself with what he says. This is internal. Blakey: What I'm trying to understand is the procedure that would have been followed. In most situations what did the applicant do? Mirabal: He signed the application. Blakey: In blank? 2 thes Mirabal: No, no, no. After filling it out. ‘Blakey: Okay. He would, what I'm--as you told me, he didn't type it. The secretary typed it. Okay. So he would have to have given the information to the secretary. She would then have to have typed it. And the information would have to have given to Mr. Azcue and he would have to have dictated to Ms. Duran tne material that appears on the bottom.
Mirabal Interview Page 37. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: _Mirabal: Blakey: And when all of that was typed on the application, I take it it would have been given to him to Sign. Is that correct? I can't tell you if it was like that exactly. It was done generally; I can't tell you exactly if it was done like that. Now, what I-can tell you is that it was made the same day at the same moment. Uh huh. Did he sign that in your presence? Not in my presence. | Was it ever a practice to allow an applicant to take the application with him, away from the Con- sulate? No, that was not allowed. So they would always have been filled out and signed in the Consulate? It was not forbidden but it was not necessary to do that. | Was more than one copy of the visa application made? Yes. How many were? I just sign them. I think there were five or six copies. Did the applicant sign each one individually?
Mirabal Interview Page 38. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: - » I don't know. Yes. Did you have carbon paper available that would permit him to sign all copies at the same time? I can't tell you that because he didn't sign in my presence. Was it the custom that you had carbon paper avail- able? That would permit applicants to sign all copies at the same time? ‘ That was handled by the secretary and I don't know how she worked (it). I was never interested in that because I was working on other things. She was working there for some time-- Could I ask you to give me anexemplar of your own signature? (Break while Mr. Mirabal writes name.) Would you date it? August 26, 1978. (Laughter.) Mr. Mirabal, you previously indicated that you knew Maria Teresa Perenza and that she iworked in the Embassy. Was she subsequently recalled from Mexico City to Cuba? Yes. Why was she recalled? Did you ever have any discussions with anyone in the epee
Mirabal Interview Page 40. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: END OF TAPE. Embassy about why she left? If I had it, I don't remember. on I had very few relations with her. You previously indicated that you knew Luisa. Calderone. Is that correct? We haven't talked about Luisa Calderone. I'm sorry. Did you know Luisa Calderone? Yes, she worked at the Embassy. What did she do at the Embassy? She worked I think in the commercial depart- ment. She subsequently was recalled to Cuba, is that correct? Yes, after two months. I knew her a very short time. Why was she recalled to Cuba? I don't know.
TAPE TWO | KENNEDY SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS ‘ Name Alfredo Mirabal Diaz Date Time Address Place a Interview: . ar, See attached. Interviewer Signature _. an Typed Signature R. Preyer/GR Blakey/E Lopez “Date transcribed 9/1/78 Form #42
Mirabal Interview Page 41. BLAKEY: You were just saying before we had to change the tapes... MIRABAL: Well, generally, personnel in an émbassy will take office over for just a period of time. And I think they said that she left to Cuba because she finished with her period of time in the Embassy. BLAKEY: Was there any connection between her return to Cuba and the assassination of President Kennedy? MIRABAL: No, never. I don't know if she left before or after. | BLAKEY: Mr. Mirabal, let me show you two black folders, one of which is identified as the photo identification book. The second is identified as... INTERPRETER: The first one is identified... BLAKEY: ...as photo identification book. The second is identified as J.P. document number 007549. Each black notebook contains a number of photographs. I'd like you to take a few minutes and look at them, and then I'd like to ask N you if you can identify any of the people in them. It's now about 12:05. T wonder if we could take a break for about ten minutes while you have the opportunity to do that. - BREAK - ’ BLAKEY: For the record, let me indicate that it is now 12:20. You were indicating that you did not know anyone “in the photo identification book? MIRABAL: I'd like to clarify that I'm not very good at recollecting people. Sometimes I can't distinguish my children in a picture.
Mirabal Interview Page 42. BLAKEY: Let me direct your attention to photo No. 57 in the photo identification book and ask you if you can recall that individual. MIRABAL: Well, the face looks somewhat familiar. BLAKEY: But you're not sure who it is? MIRABAL: No. BLAKEY: Okay. Then let's direct our attention to the °007549. INTERPRETER: Zero, zero...? LOPEZ: 7-5-4-9., BLAKEY: You indicated that you could identify some of the people in that book. I wonder if you would give us the name and the number. MIRABAL: No. 4 is myself. That's it. No. 33 seems to me to be Rogelio Rodriguez, a comrade who used to work at the embassy with us. No. 34. It seems to me that it was a Mexican. He was a Mexican or a Cuban who used to work at the embassy. I'm not very sure. I don't remember his name. I just remember having seen him there working on different things. Because \ of his face he looks Mexican. I can't place him, though. It seems to me that he's the same person who fits your number 61. It seems to me that it is the same person in both. pictures. Then No. 44, which seems to be a’ comrade who used to work at the commercial office whose name I don't remember now. Now I was looking at -- it seems to me that he resembles No. l.