* Secret Sertée Pt nteetatemed ‘on FBI 5 Hinckle y Sata | By FRANK VAN RIPER Washington, (News Bureau)—Secret Service Director H. Stuart Knight said, yesterday that his agents would have interrogated the man accused of shoot- ing President Reagan had the FBI reported his arrest last fall for carrying three pistols through the Nashyille airport the day that President Garter campaigned in the Tennessee cjty. Knight was questioned by p’congres- sional panel on why-John W. Hi ws 25, the drifter charged with shoot- ing Reagan on.Monday, vas not on the Secret Service's list of otential threats to the President. - Meanwhile, an FBI spokesman, oger Young,/Said that there was no con een Hinckley and a woman whd was believed to have tele-” phoned Ainckley -at the Washington “hotel where he was staying. - Young said the woman was inter- viewed and was cleared of any connec: tion with Hinckley. He said the woman, whom he did not identify, was trying to . reach someone else at the hotel, and there was confusion by the person who took the call at the hotel desk. " YOUNG HAD SAID earlier yester- day that a woman called Hinckley and left several messages for him at the -hotel. ‘Young -had-said-the-woman-was- “one of the leads that are being pur- | sued.” At that time, FBI Director Wil-i liam H. Webster had nodded affirma- ‘ tively as Young spoke. “| Both Knight and Treasury Secretary | Donald Regan said the FBI was aware ' ef Hinckley’s arrest on Oct. 9, but that the information was not passed along to the Secret Service. .. The Treasury Department, Seaded by Regan, includes the Secret Service. The FBI is an arm of the Justice Department. ~ Ina related development yesterday, JetryeParr, the head -of the White ouse Secret Service detail who shoved Reagan into his limousine seconds after the gunman began firing, gave a Senate ‘ appropriations subcommittee hearing a chilling account of the incident. . Parr said he realized in the then- = speeding limo that the President had been shot when Reagan's shirt began . showing “bright red blood.” - a Be a HW 54952 Bocld: 329399491 oe Se & “4 KNEW FROM MY training it was . foxygenated blood, coming ‘from the Hung,” Parr said. “I told the driver ‘gmmediately to head to GW iGeorge {Washington 1 University Hospital) and ‘7 e did.” a Young told reporters yesterday that ;Hinckley's arrest in Nashville was “handled in accordance with coutine FBI procedures. f. “With hindsight, you might c come up Fwith a_different conclusion,” Young . aid. “But without the benefit.of hind- ’ $sight} it did not fall within that group” . ; that requires -the FBI to relay the information to the Secret Service. i Young said that only in aggrayated > cases involving possible violent con- ‘frontation or a more serious threat of _ violence would the FBI routinely relay ” the information to the Secret Service. -~ He said that there are more than _ 1,000 such minor cases each year which “are prosecuted locally and are not reported to the Secret Service. Young said that if in the future information on minor cases is turned over -to the “track of the additional suspects. KNIGHT AND REGAN were ques- tioned by separate congressional com- mittees on events surrounding the at- tempted assassination of Reagan. subcommittee _ that Hinckley would have been interviewed by his agents as a possible threat to the President if the FBI had told the agency of thé weapons arrest, - -“At a minimum, “we'd ‘have’ inter- viewed the gentlemen,” -Knight tes- . tified. He emphasized that cooperation ’“between thé FBI and Secret Service awas excellent. But it appeared that the @ailure ef the FBI to transmit the 4nformation has become and will ce- gain a@ sore point ‘between the two agencies. . * Regan teld a House appropriations ‘subcommittee that the FBI was aware weeks of Hinckley’s arrest in Nashville. He arid other federal offi- tials told Congress the information on ‘the weapons charges against Hinckley ‘should. have been passed on to the Secret Service, which is directly re- Sponsible for protecting the President. REGAN SAID: “I don't know why that information was not passed on, In *yjew of hindsight, it looks as though it Bhould have.” if jof ammunition in his carry-on luggage ‘Hinckley was arrested in’ Nashville *parrying three handguns and 50 rounds £6 he attempted to board a New York- Fs plane... Page 47 ee ee ee ee Secret: Service, there is a question of: what they would do with it to keep - Knight. told--a.-Senateappropriations. eters at eecennn elt ee Nem ek FR ee me — Nashville that day for a pubs? “tewa meeting.” Reagan was «to campaign the same day in Memphis, Inv. fam 8 Adm. —_ * $300 miles away, Dut changed bis LES jechedule. woot ‘Airport ‘authorities “tumed over" sats, ¢ was keld on misdemeanor charges. iv. ‘Sle forfeited ‘a $62.56 bond and left the sity. Nashville police reported the inci- ent to the local FBloffice. - % -The Federal Aviation Administra- or teen to the Nashville police and ‘5 ‘Gon sent Hinckley a fetter informing oun. —_ that he Was being fined $1,008 for Insp. @ Weapons violations. Hinckley’ Sint. yaame still did not make it into the , Secret Service files of potential threats EIS. the President . ) NIGHT AND OTHERS insisted ‘s- Off. {that despite the tragic outcome of : Rm. —. Monday, the service would not have ; Sec’ y - _ j-ehanged anything:in its routine proce- ;ydures. At both House and Senate hear- lings, “Yawmakers asked how Hinckley 2 was able to’ “infiltrate” the area where feporters" and photographers had awaited the President. R.T. McNamara, deputy. treasury sec- “retary, said: “There was not an estab- -lished press area at the exit (of the »Washington Hilton) when the President ‘ywas leaving.” He :said that rarely in tsuch cases was a formal cordoned-off ~area established only for the niedia. Knight, testifying with Parr at his Side, said he would prefer it if the President wore protective ‘clothing at all times. He said that Reagan has worn xsuch . -clothing—usually . bulletproof mesh worn either as undergarment or fin. the lining of a coat—on several “occasions ; when | asked. ee - -KNIGHT- WAS ‘ASKED- if-he-should- t have worn it Monday. “In hindsight, he should hdve,” he replied. * ThefSenate passed a resolution praisisig agents Parr and Timothy and Washington Police McCarthy, : te Thomas Del hanty, McCarthy and The Washington Post Washington Star-News Daily News (New York) The New York Times The Wall Street Journal - The Atlanta Constitution The Los Angeles Times Date Y-3B-Bt - Delahanty were both wounded in Mon- i day” Ss incident along with Reagan and Brady, aw ffl a Free 4 ouse Press 6 Secretary James peed (2 FBI/DOY -
| " = ‘ nt es rs _—ee ~ re 0-19 (Rev. 8-20-79) @ . @ Exec AD Ad — m. —_— . € € Exec AD Inv. __ aa ae 3 @ Yon. ee Exec AD LES __ Secret Service Cites’ * ra * Crim. Inv. Lack of Information . . ‘nated press area,” Knight said, eat iborato said cameramen who say they com- Y n Hinckley’s Record . maces See . . om | Service agents heard these complaints. ch. Servs. ___ 72°." “By GR. Reid -. +, animosity was reportedly strongest in The senators’ chief line of question- sining ” Weshington Post Staff Writer _ .. the aftermath of the assassination of — ing concerned the Secret Service’s in- j. aft. Off - : _ Service would , have, President Kennedy. - " "+ ¢glligence on potential assassins and OT tracked doyn and questioned John .. Accordingly, Knight and Regan de- — Hinckley’s absence from any of the P’"* om. W. Hincklgy dr. last fall, and posstbly ..clined to secondfuess the FBI's fail- — apency’s lists of people to be watched. ‘tors Sec’'y — egular surveillance, if ure to forwardo the Secret Service a Knight said four general criteria Been informed of Hinckley’s report of Hyickley’s arrest at Nash; --make the service “interested” in some- firearm arrest in Nashville last Octo- ville last, October — on a day one — threats against prominent per- ber, Secret Service Diréctor.H. Stuart when | n-president. Carter was in. - gons, history of mental illness, access Knight said yesterday. “, .... ., that fy—on a charge of carrying | tg weapons and propensity to vio- "len In a detailed testimony on security , three Concea handguns. _ . . ce. . measures at the scene of Monday’s at- “In hindsight,” Regan said, it would - If the Service had known of Hinck- tack on President Reagan, Knight told have been better if the FBI had done - Joy's arrest, Knight said, “We would a Senate subcommittee that because 80. But Knight said he could under- < have as a minimum conducted an in- the Secret Service had no sense of any stand why FBI offficials might not “ terview with the gentleman . .. and as particular danger that’ day, it did not - have considered the arrest relevant to ~ 9 result, perhaps something more.” advisé the“president to wear a bullet- . presidential ‘protection. , . Knight declined to be specific about proof vpSt_for his trip to the. Wgshing- . The members of the Senate Appro- . “something more” but said the term i 1. priations Treasury subcommittee, who could include “observation.” He said _ ”_Kylight said Reagan wears “protec-.-heard testimony from -Knight -and - there are about 300 or 400 people ” _.tivefattire” whenever-the Service rec- other Secret Service officials, praised - “that we are interested in, on, say, a ommends it. . ~~ -+ the service's work at Monday’s shoot- —_ daily basis.” "Knight also revealed that another ing. But several senators, particularly Knight said his employes would potential assassin, “well-kmown”-to the Paul D. Laxalt~(R-Nev.), pressed for welcome the senators’ praise for the Secret Service as a .possible threat, explanations of -apparent security service, “because whether it be an was in the crowd of onlookers Mon- gap. . ‘agent on duty or a clerk in a field of- day close to Hinckley, who is charged . Laxalt wanted to know why the fice, they feel what happened Mon- with attempted assassination-of the -president’s limousine was not waiting day” . president. ..- 37... .  .2,,directly outside when Reagan left the “This other, person, Knight said, was, Washington Hilton Hotel. “Tt ap- the one some witnesses saw acting in. peared to be parked maybe 8 or 10 a “herky-jerky” manner just before the feet further than it should have been,” phone Rm. __. shots rang out. °°. . esaid, 2 . ; Knight said ‘agents trained to spot |“ Knight replied that the car is al- ; suspicious people saw this other per- ways parked a distance from the exit ; The Washington Post — Aa _ son, questioned him‘ and ascertained at that hotel go it is positioned to Washington Star-News ne - ncn os bee iene high speed oe ‘the . driveway, at Daily News (New York) —_ oth Knight and hi , Treasury, nigh g) if-necessary.: 7° «* f : ’ Secretary Donald T.-Regan, who testi- _ Laxalt and Sen. James Abdnor (R- . ae wen work Times fied before a House subcommittes. S.D.) ‘asked several times why Hinck- - The Wall Street Journal yesterday, stated emphatically that” ley and other onlookers were per- . The Atlanta Constitution = their initial reviews of the incident re- _mitted to stand in a press area a few The Los Angeles Times ___ .vealed no clear-security mistakes. feet from’ Reagan’s path to thé car.’ ’ “T am oonfident,”.Regan said, “... Knight and agent Jerry Farr, chief ef ° thé, Secrét Service was doing evéry-. gf the presidential We “detail, Date ~ K ~¥/ thing that would normally be done to _ said there was-no “designated press protect a president.” -  -° ay Brea” outside the Hiltoh that day. Both men went out of their way to “They said-a® press area isnot usually emphasize that the Secret,Service and needed there because a president leav- FBI now have what Reagan called “an, ing that hotel generally goes straight excellent professional relationship.” to his car and leaves, - “Tn the past, feuds between the two’ ¢ “Mr. Hinckley was behind a rope FBI/DOJ
0- Secret Service Chief” “Points to FBI Failure wy we ‘Says Agents Needed ‘Hinckley Arrest Data EL a ~ t Washington Star Staff Writer ~  ». said yesterday that his agents would have questioned John W, HincKle i the man accused of s ooting esident Reagan, as early as six ‘fmonths ago if the FBI had notified Anim of Hinckley’s previotis arrest on gun charges. . H. Stuart Knight told a Senate sub- ‘committee that the FBI failed to tell ‘the Secret Service that Hinckley was ‘arrested last October in Nashville, Tenn., when he tried to board a Eee while carrying three guns and rounds of ammunition. Carter -was in town the same day, Knight said he would-have been con- cerned that “an unknown person... was in possession of weapons in the city of Nashville at the same time as the president of the United States. At . & minimum, we would have inter- viewed-the gentleman, and as a re- sult of that interview, perhaps something more, “If we were not satisfied with that interview and felt we needed more data, we would have done it.” When Sen. Dennis DeConcini, D- Ariz. asked whether he knew why “ the FBI did not pass on this informa- _ tion, which had been provided by + the Nashville police, Knight said: “I *, do not, sir.” An FBI spokesman later declined to comment on the controversy. Earlier in the day, Treasury Sec- retary Donald T. Regan told a House ubcommittee that he, too, ‘thought e FBI should have notified the Se- cret Service of Hinckley’s arrest. “I ‘don't know why that information vasn't passed on,” said Regan, whose vice. “In view of hindsight, it looks. as though it should have been. [But] mith told reporters outside the hite House that law-enforcement igencies get word of many events ke Hinckley’s arrest and that it would be unfair to single out thei in- bident in retrospect. «, During the hearing of the Senate ppropriations subcommittee on the asury, Knight acknowledged that is agency should have asked the resident to wear a buljetproof vest, Reagan did during part of last | Sear’s campaign. xtcz: wed she tay DoclId: 32969491 { HW 54952 - By Howie Kurtz. ~-----~ - _ The director of the Secret Servicer 4 Noting that then-president simmy , department includes the Secret Ser- - lhe FBI didn't think it was warrant - - Attorney General William French - * “In. hindsight, “he should have mn [wearing a vest,” Knight said. ‘Based on the [lack of] information we had about-a potential danger, he as not wearing-any.” “Knight saidvhis agents had sur- " Freyed the area around the Washing, n Hilton) otel several days before e president's speech there Monday @ftern6on. When subcommittee chairman James Abdnor, RS.D., ked why Hinckley was allowed to et-so close to the president in an ea reserved for the press, Knight said: . “There” was not an established ress area at the exit when the presi- ent was leaving the hotel. Mr. inckley was outside the hotel be- ‘hinda rope! that was not a designated press area.” % Knight's deputy, John R. Simpson, id the Secret Service usually tries o Keep unauthorized persons sep- arated from the’press corps, which has closer access to the president than ordinary bystanders. But, he, ‘Said, “because the crowd was exiting ' ‘at the same time, there was‘a little yonfusion as the [press] pool was exiting the hotel.” Sen. Paul Laxalt, R-Nev., asked ehy the president's limousine was: parked about 10 feet from the hotel exit. Simpson said the spot was inten- - tionally selected to allow the presi- ‘Aent- to-make-a-quick-exit-from-the- ea, Which in fact became neces- ry after the shooting. i: Asked whether he would change the security arrangements if he i could do it all over again, Simpson . Said: “I don’t think under the cir- +. cumstances we'd do anything differ- 3 ently. It was handled properly and , Professionally.”. Each of the ‘senators lavished ; praise on the Secret Service for its . quick response to Monday’s shooting agan, press secretary James and two law-enforcemen _ ficials, but questioned whether its urity arrangements could be im- fore they occur.- In response, Knight complained », that his agency has been hampered "by the attorney general’s re- ; Strictions on te gathering of intel- ““ligence data. He said the Secret ” Service now gets only 60 percent of . the intelligence data that it once re- _ ceived from the FBI” - “It's not that the FBI won't give us the information they have,” Knight said. “My complaint is that they don't have the information they used to have.” The result, he said, is that the Secret Service has been forced to rely more on time-consuming phys- ical surveillance. | Page 49 proved to detect potential threats be- wie oe Moe me ane eee oo E Knight also ocal police F chiefs and othe™iforinants are now reluctant to pass on information § about potentially violent groups or individuals because they fear it E might become public under the © Freedom of Information Act or the $“Privacy Act. : £ Knight acknowledged that the Of- : fice of Management and Budget had forced him to reduce his budget re- = quests in recent years, forcing a cur- é tailment of some field activities. The ¥ Secret Service has asked for a budget = of $177 million in fiscal 1982, only a slight increase over this year’s level. i Knight said that budget con- i Straints had forced him to cut in half fan important training program in * Beltsville, Md. that teaches agents i i how to react to simulated attacks on $ 2 the president. ; Some congressional critics say the _ Secret Service has been stretched “too thin by being assigned to protect | agrowing number of people. Knight {-said the service guards only 20 peo- + ple round the clock, but also is re- sponsible for the families of the , President and vice president, former ' presidents and their wives or wid- ows, their minor children under 16, and about 100 visiting heads of state teach year, as well as presidential candidates during campaign years. : Knight said the Secret Service has * alist of 300 to 400 people who are con- - Sidered a potential threat to the pres- ident. Asked why Hinckley was not *on the list, he said an individual _ would have to display several traits - a history of mental illness, access “to weapons, a propensity for vio- pin — to Warrant such scrutiny. pager went Earlier, Treasury Secretary Regan ~ » Said an internal investigation into « how the Secret Service handled the * attempted assassination would be te + completed -within 60 days. He said "some of the information would not be made public because of pending criminal proceedings, but that there would be no “cover-up.” The Washington Post Washington Star-New Exec AD Adm. —_ Exee AD Inv. Exec AD LES ___ Asst. Dir.: Adm. Servs. Crim. Inv. ident. Intell. Laboratory Legal Coun. __ Plon. & Insp. —_ Rec. Mgnt. Tech. Servs. __ Training _ Public Affs. Off. _ Telephone Rm. _. Director's Sec’y _ s_Al__ Daily News (New York) The New York Times The Wall Street Journal — The Atlanta Constitution The Los Angeles Times Date :‘ Regan said he doubted the admin- ation would drop its Opposition to gun control, but that his depart- ent is “taking a very careful look again at the whole question of guns,” is uding “the registration _Proce- © dures and methods we have used i in _— “a - 3-9 FBI/DoOJ
.Fears of Explosive Bu . «FF Fy Bingham Ltd, a firm in Norcross, © Force Surgery on Officer’ Gi-i pitt a sluninum c=, explosive into the nose of a By Charles R. Babcock and Pete Earley ' Washington Post Staff Writers . District of Columbia pole officer Thomas K. Be underwent successful emergency surgery at Whington Hospital Center last night to remove a bullet lodged in his neck after the FB oncluded that alleged assailant Sohn Wa Hin evade may have been firing explosive “Devastator” bullets at President Reagan. ¥ FBI spokesman Roger Y: said the decision to operate on Delahanty — on¢’of three men wounded with Reagan in Mendy attack — was made be- cause it was possibile that an explosive charge in the slug of the .22-caliber bullet was unstable and could detonate. _A Washington Hospital Center spokesman said last night that Delahanty agreed to the surgery and that two volunteer doctors, reportedly wearing flak jackets, operated on him in an isolated room. Delahanty-was in.“serious but.sta- ble” condition early ‘today-after about three hours of surgery during which the bullet was removed, a hospital spokesman said. - The bullet was turned over to the FBI, but there was no immediate in- formation as to whether it was a “Devastator.” An FBI spokesman said the bullet would be examined this morning. . Authorities began considering the possibility that the rare bullets were used in Hinckley’s alleged attack on the president when’ an empty cart- * ridge ‘box with the “Devastator” -label- was found in Hinckley’s hotel room Monday afternoon. . Late yesterday afternoon, FBI agents found in .the car fragments of _ the bullet that hit the president's lim- ousine window. Delahanty’s doctors were told of the increased possibility that he had been hit by an explosive ‘The, bullet is designed to explode and fragment’ dn impact. It is made filled with normal .22-cal. long rifle cartridge. * The cartridges cost $7.12 for a box of _ 12, compared with a top retail price of about $2.40 for a box of 50 stan- { dard cartridges. Young said it is not known yet “where Hinckley could have purchased ‘the deadly cartridges or how many he “bought. An official of the Bingham company told a Washington Post re- “porter recently that his firm has been making the “Devastators” since 1978 “and sells them to about 3,000 custom- vers nationwide. 7 tee pe *, . They‘ were, originally made ‘for use “by police, he said, and because of the ‘explosive power they shave the impact Of a much larger bullet, such as 9mm { or .38 cal, . . George , &@ Michigan expert ~ and po nsultant on .22-cal. am- | munition, Zcalled the “Devastator” a. gimmick that never did well on the market. A District police firearms ex- pert said he had never encountered - ‘one of the explosive bullets. oad An advertisement for the “Devas- *ator” shows a picture of a shattered Coke can with the printed claim that, “our .22-cal. Devastator” inflicted the ‘damage from a distance of 50 feet, Young said. Richard M. Loughery, chief execu- -- tive officer at Washington Hospital. Center, briefed reporters about 10:20 . -last: night,-saying-the-FBI-had-told-the hospital “late .in the afternoon .that “there was a very good possibility” _ that the bullet lodged in Delahanty’s neck “could be an impact-sensitive ex- plosive bullet. It was determined’ it should be removed as expeditiously as “possible.” : bullet, and surgery was ordered, Young said. . ; Four fragments of a bullet had been removéd Monday from the brain of presidential press secretary James S. Br A Young said. —_e_—— he bullet that hit Reagan in the chest ricocheted off his limousine but did not explode, and will be examined’ _today to determine if it,, too, is a “Devastator,” Young said. He said it is possible that all six of the bullets fired were the exploding “Devastators.”_ ’ It is not known why some’ of ‘the bullets allegedly fired by Hinckley apparently exploded while others did, not. For instance, the bullet that hit Brady .may have exploded when .it struck his skull, Young said. Others may have malfunctioned, he said. i HW 54952 Bocld: 329399491 Page 50 »* Delahanty and his wife were told -about 5 p.m. that emergency surgery was -necessary... Delahanty had - ex- ‘pected to be sent home today but now is expected to’be hospitalized for sanother week. - * Dr. Michael Dennis performed the surgery, assisted by Dr. Norman Ho- “rowitz. Both are neurosurgeons. ~ “As long as we didn’t hit it {the bullet] with a chisel or drop it on the floor ‘or something radical like that, “we were told'we probably didn't have “to worry,” said Dr. Howard Champion, director of the hospital’s shock-trauma “unit who observed the operation. . The bullet was lodged near Dela- hanty’s spinal.column, and there had. ‘been no plan to remove it until news _ ; came that.it might be explosive. Delahanty had-been listed’ ih good “condition and steadily improving earli- er in the day. remained in critical condition y intensive-care unit ‘at George Wi n University Hospital, but. sdoctors said he was clearer mentally able to.move the upper part of bs fe left arm-and leg slightly-in-re- *aponse to commands. Asked ‘how he felt, Brady gave a—— ¢ thumbs-up sign and said, “fine, fine,” ___ , according to a White House statement * last night. The -response and move- ments encouraged his physicians, since ; they are concerned about whether his — , brain injuries will affect his speech or — - muscular control on -the left side of — . his bod “We are a long way from home ony, _ Mr. Brady,” said Dr. Dennis O'Leary, ~ & hospital spokesman. Drainage tubes - placed in Brady’s head during surgery = “have been removed, he said, adding’ ‘that Brady's eyes are still swollen Shut, but that he had correctly _ counted fingers a doctor held up be- * fore him when his eyes were “Open. ‘cret Service agent Ti ar. _ thy was in good condition at George Washington University Hospital, but was experiencing some sogéness from his operation. A doctor familiar with the case said McCarthy may be in the ‘ Pospital longer than, the president be- , cause he has tu aining fluid from “both his liver and right lung. Staff writers Keith B. Richbur Linda Wheeler, Susan-Okie and San dra G. Boodman contributed to this -article. - held The White’House reported that Se- The Washington Post _Al Washington Star-News Daily News (New York) The New York Times . The Wall Street Journal The Atlanta Constitution The Los Angeles Times vue 4-3-8 IS FBI/DOJ