Por ays 3 ‘pertinent question was changed accordingly to, ‘net know about about your connection with American Inte ‘is obvious that.ice qualified ques TKD #9404 2. September Vioo Paye IV . . : . . lee ation from us), “‘delibe roicty keep secect from us!, “accurity" incidents breaches, cte,, “Wlackina.’", Upressuge” (by au intciligence gervicc), Sub- fovea: : rotessed ignerccnce c. the terms ard atiernpts a° definition and clari- jaci p these words svumed to fail. ticutiun ef the meaning of questivas Usity, 2. Duriag tac pre-test discussion, Subject was askec the question, - : “Eave you tuld as. me abuut your connection with, Ameri :an Intelligence ?" . Sabiect replied 7 ling his heed, that he definitely liad, That he had told “any many per... A: ned to identify these people, Subject stated that it would be almos. impossible, because sO many new in New York, in Cuda, > It was pointed out to the Subject that the question referred to . Arueric¢an L.telligence and not to Ameritaa Gevernme:t, Subject stated that . he understood cumpletcly. Subj. .t was asked to make un effort to enumerate some of the peuple whoin he had teid about his intelligence connection, even though he migh: find it difacult to do. Subject then stated that he had told - his wife, his father, ana other re! ttives about his connection withus, He said that his uffice umplu;ces in New York also knew about hig connection. He further stated that othurs knew, like Ricardo MADAN and Ricardo RIVAN. He said that in Cuba there sore many peopie who knew, like Rolando CUBELA, El LOco, Li MiG, Rabtifo (RobEfio 2), and others. He said thut it was no, ' seeret that he had tuld his f-rends about nis connection, and that many others Subject was asked whether about his connection cr whom ith intelligence backgrounds, - im Europe, vlc. simoly knew about his intcllience connection. there was anyone he had told who should not know he had nut reported to us; especially individuals w Subject said that he assumed that Cuban Intelligence may have found out_or guessed about his celationship with us, but thei he had not told them himself, He ulso stated that he felt that the people he had told were known tous, The "Have you told anyone we do lligence?" Subject stated that he could answer in the negative on the question in this form, During testing, Subjeci ritlected reactions on the question, (Writer's Commeat: It tion is vague ana technically unanswerable, but in light of Subject's statements 4 need is indicated for the debriefing of the Subs ject on all pcople he has told about his intelligeace connection, Snbyect agreed to provide names and details te the case officer iater in a more lengthy meeting.) 3, During later tests which included specific questions oa whetiner Subject tad told any intelligence service, the Castro Government, or CARRILLO about his connection with us, Subject also reflected strong reactions on these questioas and was interrogated, Subject denied having revealed his connection to any of oe m+ 9808
14-00000 ne kee Ns rare gy rate | IRD go09405 22 September 1965 Page V a! these sources. 4, Subject was interrogated on tre basis of pronounced reactions on the question, “Have you ever deliberately reported false or misleading in- formation to any American Intelligence representative?" Subject \stated that he had never reported false or misleading information on any assignment or task, including ‘his missions to Mexico and Switzerland, and concerning his activity vis-a-vis CUBELA, , , 5. Subject stated that he had not been approached to work for any other intelligence service besides American, despite reactions on this question, 6, Regarding his name, Subject stated that he has used the name Carjo TEPEDINO Gonzalez since 1946. Before 1946, he used the name Carlos LOPEZ his true name from birth, During testing, there were no reactions to questions covering these two facts, but there were reactions on the question, "Have you ever used another name to hide your tree identity?" Answer: ‘'No," Subject stated that he had never used any name to hide his true identity and that he understood the meaning of the question to refer to any secret or intelligence use of another name that was unkuown fo 4s, ‘7, Subject reacted prominently on various questions dealing with CUBELA. During the pre-test discussion, the interrogator had asked the Subject the follow- ing question:. Does CUBELA have a plan to overthrow Castro? Subject replied that there is no plan that he knows of, and he does not consider CUBELA's various activities as constituting a plan for such an objective. Asked how he might des- cribe CUBELA's attitude toward Castro, Subject said that CUBELA was opposed to the Castro government and that Subject felt that CUBELA had a "desire" to overthrow Castro, rather than any plan. When Subject was asked whether he considered CUBELA's group to be a genuine anti- Castro and anti-Communist group, Subject replied that CUBELA Gic not have a group and that he knew of no group he ever had, Asked how he would describe any individuals who supported. CUBELA as friends, or promised him scpport in any undertaking, or who might be counted on for support if he were ever to follow through with his desire” to overthrow Castro, Subject shrugged and said he did not know what to call them, that he did not think CUBELA had any control over all his friends or supporters, that he did not even think they would all help CUBELA in any crisis or that CUBELA ~, could depend on any of them in any uncertaking, He said that a group as such was ‘ no.u-existent and that he could not eves regard CUBELA's following as a group of
Ata ero of we, apace IRD #09405 22 September 1965 Page VI ’ friends, an organization of any kind, a social circle, a band of sympath- izers, ctc, Subject also stated that he had complete confidence in CUBELA and would trust him in whatever he did, , During testing, Subject reacted on the question regarding CUBELA's desire to overthrow Castro, Subject stated during interrogation that he had no doubt at all regarding CUBELA's desire to overthrow Castro and he could not understand the reason for his reaction on such a question. Subject re- peuted that he had complete confidence in CUBELA, ° ~ Subject was alse interrogated on his reactions on the question, "Doe you “believe that CUBELA is anti-Castro and anti-Communist?" Answer; "Yes,". . Sabject said that.in his opinion, CUBELA was a gainst the Castro government, - but that he felt that CUBELA admired Castro, He said that in spite of CUBELA's strong admiration for Castro, CUBELA was atill opposed to him and to his methods, 8 During discussion of questions before testing, Subject. was asked thé question, "Docs CUBELA have any connection with Cuban Intelligence or Cuban Security?" Subject replied, "yes,'"' Asked to explain, Subject stated that CUBELA definitely had an “inside track" with Cuban intelligence and sec-~ urity elements, knew quite a few intelligence people, worked with them closely, had daily contacts with them, knew what was going on in intelligence circles, etc, Subject was asked whether he meant that CUBELA was working for or cooperating with Cuban Intelligence or Security clements, Subject replied that CUBELA, of course, had strong connections with Cuban Intelligence and was probably cooperating with them in various ways, Subject added that he had to in order to gain their confidence and to be able to know what Cuban Intelli- gence was doing, He also added that even though he had these connections, he was still opposed to the Castro Government and would probably take an opportunity to work against it, Subject said that CUBELA would not be able to exist in Cuba us he does today if he did not have the confidence of the Castro Government and intelligence services, Subject was asked how he knew so well about CUBELA's connections wit Cuban Intelligence; Subject replied that CUB- ELA had told'everyone and had told me! and "everyone knew about CUBELA's contacts with Cuban Intelligence." on would not be asked as proposed, Subject was advised that the questi to the following question, "Is CUBELA and wags asked what his answer would be e ; Sroerene ae
ame! IRD Fo dd’ 22 September 1905 Page VU , an agent of Cuban Intelligence or Cuban Security?" Savject said that he would answer, "No," During testing, Subject reflected reactions, on the question. 9, Subject reflected reactions during tests on the question, “Have you tuld us the complete truth about your relationship with CUBELA?" and "Have _ you deliberately attempted to hide or keeep secret from us any information about Rolundo CUBELA?™ Subject did not show reactions on the question, “Have you told us ‘the complete truth about your relationship with CARRILLO?", ‘but he did show reactions on the question, “Have you tuld CARRILLO about your connection with American Intelligence 2" Answer: "No." Subject was interrogated on the basis of the reactions, but furnished no pertinent inform- ativa. Subject insisted that he had not told CARRILLO about his connection with us, and that he had told us everything about his relationship with CUBELA. Subject stated that he considered CUBELA his friend, but he could not classify CARRILLO as a friend, Subject and whether they were both on amicable terms, and Subject replied | that these statements wer true. 10. Ina final test, the following questions were asked: Have you ever reported information about American Intelligence activie ties or representatives to anyone you have not told us about? No. Have you told any intelligence service about your connection with us? No. Have you told the Castro Government abouf your connection with us? No. : : . Do you have any secret connection with the Castro Government? No. Do you have any secret connection with any Cuban Intelligence or Security organization? No. Do you have any secret agreement with CUBELA that you have not told us about? No. : Have you ever engaged in smuggling activities fur any government or intelligence service ? Now ’ Didany intelligence service instruct you to work or cooperate with | Subject was asked whether CARRILLO was friendly .to the | om