TOP SECRET) i asics 1 llcould control it, and Gronowsky said that was the single biggest 2 impediment to. an ambassadot' s control of an agency because 7 . o that right of the private Loop, where the CIA knows everything 4 the ambassador is doing, and the ambassador only knowsswhat ¢ fot ‘ 5 ||the CIA wants him to: know, | It. is a one way deal. a [i ; a, 6 Mr. Kirbow. If you do 2, you just. strike 5 and leave it 7. where it is. a |: 8 Senator Mondale. If | you do 2, you take care of 5, don't 9 you? a LO Mr. Aaron. If 2 is accepted, I think ‘you go a long ways 11 ||/toward solving that prob. I; t ut 1 12 Senator Mondale. why don! t we flag 5 and ask NSC to 13 |review in light of this history who shoulda control communication 14 |iLet the NSC handle that. Ji aa te 15 Mr. Kirbow. Mr. Chairman, I think it should be clear on 16 the record, too, if all of. the Senators do not know it, there at 17 |jis a channel over which the (CIA only has operational control. ‘18 j;Any time the ambassador of any person that he delegates, they 19 may encrypt a message, go ‘out over the Roger channel I think 20 it is referred to, and even: the CIA. man who is transmitting it 1 21 from the other end, who also again encrypts it so it cannot be 7 22 picked up by an enemy or the reader who copies it out here iF 23 |Inever knows what is said ‘in that message. It goes to the lt 24 Department of State,and only there do they have the decoding | . i 25 device. TOP SECRET - ; : WARD & PAUL Docld: 32423519 Page 93 . Ij
‘10 ae 12 13 or 45 16 17 18 ig 20 21 , 22 25 24. 29 Docld:32423519 Page 94 : ' |don't get -into that issue.) I {i TOP SECRET 22 Senator Mondale. But |by passing this to the NSC again we Mr. Aaron. So we would recommend that to the NSC or the oversight committee or both? Senator Mondale. ‘The NSC take a look at! this. Mr. Aaron. The NSC. , Mr. Kirbow. rl think we should consider whether it not be done. " pee everything approved? Senator Huddleston. = Everything up to 110. Senator Mondale. Is Senator Mondale. Arellwe going to adjourn ‘now? I have got Senator Huddleston. ‘i think we are up to the budget, | and I. think that's probably more than we can handle. (Discussion off the record.) “Senator Huddleston. . I ie Senator Mondale. -He Let us come in at 9:30. i | just said that No. 5. ought to be reviewed by the NSC without -- and just be neutral on it. I, ‘ -Mr. Kirbow. Not recommending who should control it. an Senator Mondale. That is all right with me. Senator Huddleston. ‘9:30 tomorrow all right? Senator Mondale. Fine with me. “Mr. Madigan. The text of the State Department is at 1 variance with my - memory of, A ‘the record, and Senator Baker would like to have the Agency's .view on the accuracy of this section. TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL
Oo VO TO BB o wD KH oO 10 1 12 13 14 15 16. 17 18. ~19° 20 21 22 235 24 205 Docld:32423519 Page 95 © — iF ‘to that issue with a stack TO Mr. Aaron. To what a “{! Mr. Madigan. I'm! par pressures on. the DCI ch gence estimates. Mr.. Miller. The SS-9 . Mr. Aaron. Well, we i | might say, Mr. Chairman, t os in the text. There are so concerning examples here. | “More than a week ago. I’ have telephoned ‘them’ on yet commented. I hope the Mr. Kirbow. Mr. this section, I have point be two paragraphs which we had sent Ambassador Trueha: evidence on those two para Senator Huddleston. “| Mr. Kirbow. On page: paragraphs. Ny handled CIA should be heard on this matter. MR. Bader. Well, Mr. that these issues and thes at the Agency, and the Agency should be given. ample opportunity TO 1 f Vhs i | ‘are waiting. ithree occasions. " on Chairman, t ‘Which two? I. think Mr. Bader, who did the investigation arid P SECRET 83 \t I re you referring, Mr. Madigan? ticularly referring to the so-called anges his view with regard to intelli- We are.going to return ‘of relevant documentation, and I hat there are some bracketed sections 1 me questions that have been raised» we asked the CIA to commant on them. | They have not Vv will do so soon. =. excuse me. Before we leave ed out that on 107 there appear to asked, in fact, I guess Mr. Aaron rt. out to the Agency to seek the igraphs. 107, the first and second Chairman, I agree with Mr. Kirbow @ charges should be fully vetted P SECRET WARD & PAUL
rae) HH Or - on 10 ll 12 13 14 15 16 1? 18 19 20 21 arr 24 25 DocId: 32423519 TO re Vk 94 | P SECRET to respond to them. And I it now in, which I support. j| I don't think the p think that is the process we are t aragraphs should stand until we hear -- or rather, they should stand until such time as we hear from the Agency.’ Mr. Kirbow. | Miller. knows ‘that’ he only There ts a problem with that, Mr. Bader. Mr. sent those point papers out there in a 1 i { which all of this is so- called imbedded for, ‘a ‘clearance on. sources and methods, h dispute between the text. |) ‘Mr. Aaron. If I may, with Mr. Elder, I have dils on three occasions now. these two paragraphs out. stances. Ambassador Trueh various visits. have -- or their last word i that they would have in ha I have still not heard fro them once again this after is to it. senator Huddleston. open. _ | Mr. Kirbow. wes crak i because I have been TO clear, age 96 if i There has 1 He..did: nat send it out there for a factual try to clarify this, I have. discussed cussed--these examples with Mr. Elder - [Ambassador Truehart took the text. of 9 the Agency, described the circum- art was in fact present on these ‘been discussion at the Agency. They to me was on Friday, they felt | nd that day the relevant comments. them. I will attempt to contact noon to ascertain what-theirvreaction : “Well, this’ section will remain: r- { rman, may I ask Mr. Miller to make it il { ‘| { i P SECRET. t 1 -WARD, & PAUL, lunder a misapprehension, and I am
| TOP SECRET sss 1 |/sure the Vice Chairman has, it was the opinion of the Vice. a Chairman that the documents were being sent to the Agency for o |) Sanitization only of sources. and methods, and that you had 4 | specifically indicated ‘that their views on the positions taken 5 Ilby the Committee and whatnot were neither. solicited nor desired, 6 jor words to that. general effect. 7 . If it is different, 1) think it should be made clear now 8: to the Agency what we expect of them. - 9 Mr. ‘Miller. we1t let me “clarify. On the larger paper 10 of the Ambassador, factually if they see any errors of fact ' 1 11 || they are to so indicate, and of course, sources and methods. le ‘On the findings and recommendations, I have asked them for 13 ||a factual opinion | because: ‘there are areas, such as you have i 14 || indicated here, sources and : methods. We are not interested i |) 15 fi in whether: we like or dislike them, although we are going to. . | ' 16°] solicit their views on Laie likes and dislikes in an informal | i. 17 || setting, but that is the situation. ‘1 4 18 | I have always asked them for factual correction where. they 19 |lare in a.position to do 'so,. and that includes the findings 20 || and recommendations. el Mr. Kirbow. I appreciate that, but that did not appear 22 || to be Mr. Bush's position il 23 ||He felt he had certain constraints, what he could and could : | a 1 when he talked. to the Vice Chairman. 24 not do in recommending, | but I appreciate the jelarification. 25 - Mr, Miller. That has ialways been our procedure. TOP SECRET . : 3 WARD & PAUL Docld:32423519 Page 97 < ; ;
i \ 1 { ‘TOP SECRET 96 ] i i a i L Senator seadherton | ie AE . ‘a I certainly want to correct ! . 2° |lany errors of fact. Gl All right. We will adjourn, then, until 9:30 tomorrow 4 |imorning. 7 i} ; . | . 5 (Whereupon, at. 12; 210) 0" ‘clock..p. Me the Committee. recessed, se 6 to reconvene at 9:30 0 clock a.m., Wednesday, March 24, 1976.) . ' 10 ll 13 14 15 Loa | 16 1? “18 19 20 21. 22. 23 24 29 SECRET WARD & PAUL. Doclda: 32493519 PHge 98