itart 1 Mr. Preyer. I will ask a few questions. Why this h i e 2 information would come out to a CIA station in Tokyo rather ‘ols . . a 3s 3 than some other part of the world is, I assume, because , | Oswald was trained in Japan, according to your belief. He was} = | in the military service over there, and so you feel he was a | ~ i . | 5 < | double agent who was trained while he was in the military by | § 7 | the CIA, and you mentioned he was, given a Russian course. — And | a || you know for a fact that he was given Russian courses? | S + Mr. Wilcott. No; I know for a fact, or I know from . : 0 hearsay, and I believe it to be true from the circumstances of S E 1 | how this conversation came up and so on. E 2 | Mr. Preyer. well, ‘that. is the other question that I want | Y : 13 | to be very sure on. I think you are making some important : 1, | allegations here, and you have been very helpful in giving = ; | some witnesses' names through which we might be able.to cor- ° i! 1s | Foborate it, but I think it is very important that we know = | ‘ yy | etearly how much of this was cocktail party talk and how much : 3 | was shop talk and how much was speculation and rumor and how = «ven was hard fact. fal _ You mentioned the day after the assassination you talked —— 7 to someone at the station about it. Did he say to you, "I 1 OSE @ fa? 22 : think Oswald was a CIA agent," or did that first person say to. 13 | you that he was a CIA agent? Can you recall whether the tone | ql | . | @ 22 | of it was rumor or shop talk or was the tone of it that "this j is true"? | HW 54756 Docld:32263407 Page 33 . ALOQERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
Dn, SHTHGTON, WA REPORTERS BUTLDTNG, oe s 308 7TH STREET, C. 20024 (202) SS4-2345 YN de “1 rn mo w ta oe toe cee nme 32 Mr. Wilcott. Well, sir, the day after the assassination I don't think that there was any of that kind of talk. The day after, perhaps, two or three weeks after, the kind of talk | was that CIA was somehow connected. Mr. Preyer. That was shop talk, speculation, I gather; people were saying that the CIA is somehow connected with it? ‘Mr. Wilcott. well, I believed it to. be a little more than speculation, that the source at least of this kind of | talk was, I believe, to be something more serious than speculation. Mr. Preyer. It was your conclusion from that talk that some of these people might have knowledge that he was a CIA agent rather than that they were speculating about it? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. | | Mr. Preyer. And you did mention the case officer who came in ana told you that the money he had drawn out a few weeks earlier was drawn out for Oswald? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Preyer. He stated that as a fact and not that he believed it was drawn out for Oswald or it could have been or. something like that? Mr. Wilcott. It was stated as a fact -- Oswald or the Oswald project. Mr. Preyer. How many people were at the station in Tokyo approximately? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. i
\ ; 33 Lh 3 1 | Mr. Wilcott. I believe our full strength was around 200 | @ 2 | to 250 and we never actually had that many, I don't think. It| 3 || was about 170, I think, was our actual roster was. ® 4 Mr. Preyer. And Miami, was that comparable in size? 5 7 Mr. Wilcott. No, sir; that was a smaller station. | 5 5 Mr. Preyer. So that in Tokyo, you indicated, six or g | seven people talked to you and were, as I understood it, — an a as rather definite about the Oswald connection? ¢ : 7 Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. q io | ‘Mr. Preyer. And dozens of others talked to you in a | : 7 general, speculative manner? | S 12 | _ Mr. Wileott. Yes, six. : } @ = 13 | Mr. Preyer. Why did you resign from the CIA? | = 14 Mr. Wileott. My wife and I came to believe that what : | CIA was doing couldn't be reconciled to basic principles of : a democracy or basic principles of humanism. | ‘ v7 | Mr. Preyer. ‘It had no relation to your performance? | 2 18 | Mr. Wilcott. No, sir; I think I had good performance | z 19 | reviews right up to the time that I left. S 20 | . Mr. Preyer. tT believe you have written an article about | a this, an unpublished article. | _ ! Yd 22 Mr. Wileott. Yes. 33 | ay 4 22 | Mr. Preyer. And have you made that available to us? | | | j | Mr. Wilcott. Yes, I have. Mr. Preyer. Thank you. I have no further questions. HW 54756 Docld:32263407 Page 35 ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
HW 54756 Hl 30 ITE STREEC, S.W. REPORTERS GUTELDING, WASHINGTON, DOC. 20026 (202) 554-2945 : y \ 4 Al & SO / DoclId: 34 Mr. Sawyer. Do you distinguish between an agent and a Ww paid informant or do you use those terms interchangeably? qa Mr. Wilcott. Well, sir, I think of an agent as an actual de employee of the Agency; we called them indigenous agents in in Tokyo who were agents that were on a regular salary by the | case officer who was running an agent, and then there were a Na. lot of one-time informers or maybe one- or two- or three-time” | — i that were paid like maybe $50 or so to attend a jos of a political party or something of that nature. | . | ta | Mr. Sawyer. When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you i are referring to the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed | to a paid informer, in effect? —_ — ~ w ro — we a = ee ee ee — ~ a wee eee ee — ae | Mr. Wilcott. Yes; it is my belief that he was a regular agent and this was a regular project of the Agency to send Oswald to the Soviet Union. Mr. Sawyer. Now, did the Tokyo station have any juris- diction over the Russian operation or within the Soviet Union? one a Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. That was the SR branch which | a had all of the projects having anything to do with the Soviet 20 || Union. | Mr. Sawyer. It went through the Tokyo station? 2 | Mr. Wilcott. well, that was just those that were “1 | assigned to Tokyo and those projects that were assigned to | ! i nd nr Tokyo. Every station was divided up -- at least every class A station was divided up-into areas, where we would have a China, { i I i | \ H ' i} 32263407 Page 36 ALDERSON RESCARTING COMPANY, INC.
35 lh 5. | | branch, Korea branch and Japan branch and SR branch and SR | e 2 | satellite. | , a | a Mr. Sawyer. I noticed in some of the information we are ® 4 provided you say that following your leaving the CIA in 1967 | oO 5 s | ot thereabouts, for a period of some three years or so, you | 5 5 | were harassed by the CIA and the FBI and sabotaged, as I E 7 recollect it. | | = 5 | Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir; I believe. that happened. | 3 | Mr. Sawyer. Could you tell us what those things — | : o consisted of? | : ne Mr. Wileott. I think the most significant thing that can, oo = 124 be actually substantiated is the circumstances surrounding my | - 4 _  ) = 13 | employment with the community renewal program in Utica, and I . z + ee the finance analyst for the community renewal program in n : 13 | Utica. One day Frank O'Connor, the director of the program, z | eattea me into his office and he said that he had had a dis- | ; 7 | cussion with the public safety commissioner and that the pub- | z te | lic safety commissioner told him that my phone was bugged, z 19 | that my house was under surveillance and that a Federal = * [zscenn was coming down on me at any time, that he had == mI talked to the mayor and the mayor decided not to fire me but “2/ 22 tasked me to sign a resignation form which he would date the day previous to the date that the Federal indictment came eee ee ee ne down. Mr. Sawyer. Who told this to the community development HW 54756 Docld:32263407 Page 37 ALDERSON REFORTING COMPANY, INC.
HW 54756 Ww 3 | told him 4 | had told the public safety commissioner. = | Mr. Sawyer. Who is the public safety commissioner? ~ | 5 5 | Mr. Wilcott. I don't remember his name now offhand. g 7 | Mr. Sawyer. Was he in Utica? a 3 Mr. Wilcott. Yes. The mayor, Mr. Sawyer, was Dominic S : | Casaro. He was the mayor at that time. : ra | Mr. Sawyer. Were there any other instances of harass- Ee | ment? 3 2 | Mr. Wilcott. Yes, there were several other incidents : 13 that I believe could possibly be somehow connected with CIA. z td : Mr. Sawyer. What were they? | = is | - Mr, Wilcott. Well, they were such incidents as the FBI Z e agent that was working with a group -- and this was an estab- a 7 lished fact that this person was an FBI agent and that he was : 3 | working with the group that I was working with,. an antiwar - + group and, to my mind, there is a very great Likelihood that 5 as the CIA term went. 1 people? Mr. "| this person was there to neutralize me, Mr. i Mr. phone, and hang up, 36 Wilcott. My boss, Frank O'Connor, said that this was, by the public safety commissioner and that the FBI Sawyer. What. aid he do -- any thing? Wileott. Well, I would get calls and they would say, "we know all: about you," shooting a machine gun into the my windshield and I had slips of paper left under my DocId: 32263407 Page 38 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. and I would get notes written in snow on |
37 windshield and this sort of thing. Mr. Sawyer. What would they say? w | 3 | Mr. Wilcott. They were extremely vulgar and I don't | e , | think that I should give the full context of them. | z 5 Mr. Sawyer. What was the gist of them? ™ 5 : 1 if - : & s | - Mr. Wilcott. Well, it was "We all know all about you" | _ . a nn re Doo, s 7 }; and signed "The Minutemen" or some very vulgar remarks and "We = 3 | know all about you" and signed "Minutemen." | S | 'Mr. Sawyer. What was the name of the FBI agent who you rat | = tg | think infiltrated this antiwar group? 2 7 Mr. Wilcott. Gordon Finch. . = a Mr. Sawyer. He was in Utica also? ® = ( Mr. Wilcott. Yes. a {3 | z te | Mr. Sawyer. What were some other instances? . | = an Mr. Wilcott. Well, my tires were slashed and damage done', faa 13 y | 2° i ; = 1s | te my car and I believe sugar poured in the gas tank, and a i | whether this was actually CIA or not I have no way of knowing, | = 3 | and it could also have been just for harassment as a result of a , = 1s | antiwar activities but I think there is also a possibility | — | toe it could have been attempts to intimidate me into » | 21] | talking about the CIA. Mes 224 Mr. Sawyer. Are there any others that you can specifi- | cally identify as coming from the CIA or FBI? Mr. Wilcott. I don't confirm any of them except with nd Pe ta the community renewal program as coming from there and I am HW 54756 Docld:32263407 Page 39 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
. 38 | suspicious that many of the other things that happened may ' have had as its source the CIA. ih) 4 '. Mr. Sawyer. Well, what were your antiwar activities rv that you refer to? = S| Mr, Wilcott. We had -- in Utica there was a group called ~ H ! : i . . o z | the Vietnam Educational Council, which was informed people, | . a | _ 7 . . . S 7 | formed to inform people as to what was going on in Vietnam, = 3 | and we didn't feel that there was coverage enough in the ~ 3S 3 | media as to what was going on, and the purpose of the Vietnam = 4g || Educational Council was to inform people as to what was 5 | . = va going on. = 39 | I was on the executive committee along with doctors and. C : , ®@ = 13 | lawyers and some of the most: respected people in the = 14.| community. 5 is | . Mr. Sawyer. How long were you associated with that? = 5 Mr. Wilcott. Approximately two years, sir. a | Mr, Sawyer. Thank you. That is all I have. se 3 Mr. Dodd. I have just a couple of questions. First of a = 1} allt apologize for having to run in and out during your tes- Laat s » | een and some of this you ‘may have already covered; and, if you have, then I will not proceed with it. But I was © pa 22 intrigued -- and it may have been in the transcription but 22 | you were in Tokyo as: financial disbursement officer -- is it your testimony, that. you were. told by: a case officer that you nw tar had disbursed funds for an Oswald project? HW 54756 Docld:32263407 Page 40 SLOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
39 1 Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Dodd. Am I to believe by that that you were not | Ww Les) aware at the time you made the disbursement that it was, in de | facet, an Oswald project? = 5 | Mr. Wilcott. That is correct, sir. ~ j . a ‘ Mr, Dodd. It would have been a cryptonym and he was * -. | telling you, you had, in fact, made a disbursement? = ar 5 a Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. c 3 | ~ S | Mr. Dodd. And-this would have been, now, shortly after = 10 the assassination? 2 ' : = i! Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. = 13 | Mr. Dodd. Talking about hours afterwards or a day - | co \ . @ = 33 | afterwards? = td Mr. Wilcott. It was at least a matter of weeks and xs i} . , 5 is | perhaps as. much as three months after. ° " fy . = e Mr. Dodd. After the assassination actually occurred? . t a7 | Mr. Wilcott. Yes. = . Mr. Dodd. When you were told all of this? = 19 i Mr. Wilcott. Yes. en = 20 "Mr. Dodd. And it includes the information that Oswald ai! was an agent? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. 4 \ “I nD rd Mr. Dodd. Was he described as an agent to you or was he | described as an operative or a paid informant? nd ou to ur 2505 Mr. Wilcott. No, sir; he was described to me as an HW 54756 DocId:32263407 Page 41 ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
40 tr de w , agent and I was led to believe, from the conversations, that he was an agent. Ww Mr. Dodd.. As a point of information, are people who work within the Agency fairly careful in their language in = describing what the category of certain people are who work ~ | - 5 7 for the Agency? s _| “mr, Wilcott. Generally so, I would say, at that time. — | Mr. Dodd. And it is your clear recollection that he was” = : 3 | described as an agent? : fo) Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. S | 2 7 Mr. Dodd. And the information given you occurred some- | 3 12 : time three months after the actual assassination. That would | Yd] = 13 | have put it into 1964? : id Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir, early 1964. | E 1s Mr.. Dodd. When did you leave to go back? © | : =| Mr. Wilcott. June of 1964. | - 7 Mr. Wilcott. So it was sometime between February and Z la June of 1964? a | = : Mr. Wilcott. Or perhaps January. = = : Mr. Dodd. In.1964, of course, the Vietnam War was going | oe | on and Lyndon Johnson was now President. “and when did you : } Ly i . : : : : e yee 23 i begin to develop attitudes of dissatisfaction with the Agency and its reaction and attitudes toward what you described as undemocratic principles and a lack of humanism? Mr. Wilcott. Well, actually even prior to the Kennedy HW 54756 Docld: 32263407 Page 42 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
- WW 454756 | JNO PTH STREET, Sov, REPORTERS AUTEDING, WASHINGTON , N.C. 2002" (202) S5m-2345 DoctlId: nN) q@ Sr tn oe} oo 32963407 Page 43 cere sees oa eee = es - - ne aegis mn oy 41 assassination, my wife and I both became disturbed about the stories that we kept hearing about things, control of newspapers and so on. | Mr. Dodd. How long had you been married by the way? Mr. Wilcott, We were married in 1954, sir. Mr. Dodd. And you and your wife both went to work for the CIA about the same time? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Dodd. In 1957? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Dodd. Am I to presume that you told your wife of the conversation you had with this case officer at the time it occurred? Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Dodd. And she was aware of it from 1964 up until 1968 -~ Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. Mr. Dodd. -- when you decided to release that information? Mr. Wilcott. ves, sir. Mr. Dodd. And your dissatisfaction with the Agency and with the course of American government preceded the actual assassination of president Kennedy? Mr. Wilcott. Well, with the Agency, yes, sir. Mr. Dodd. And this was a view shared by you and your — ALCERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
42 wife -- > Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir. 4 | Mr. Dodd. -- at that time? e 4 | Mr. Wilcott. Yes. | 3 s| Mr. Dodd. pid anyone else at the Agency know of your 5 + weve at the Agency and dia you communicate with other people g 7 | about your dissatisfaction? a a a = 3 i Mr. Wilcott. Yes. S $ Mr. Dodd. Would you care to tell us any of the names of : iO. people whom you communicated with? : 1 Mr. Wilcott. Particularly George Breen and Bob Ojiri to § i2 ya lesser extent. | @ : 13 Mr.. Dodd. I ama little confused, I suppose, a ta | Mr. Wilcott. Did you vote for President Kennedy? : 1s Mr. Wilcott. Yes, sir, I did. : 14 Mr. Dodd. You liked him? ‘ 17 Mr. Wilcott. Very much. : 1g Mr. Dodd. I am just a little confused, I guess, over : 13 | your reaction. Here, by your own testimony, you were sup-"- s 10 | portive of the president, and certainly the most significant ewe tragedy, I think, probably in the last 15 years or 20 years =i ‘ SS ir) ee) ‘was the assassination of President Kennedy, and you are told / t a. | by some who worked for the Agency that Oswald was a CIA agent w ee | and you already were dissatisfied with the actions of the wa t ' Agency and you are told this in 1964 and yet it takes four ALDEZSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 54756 Docld: 32263407 Page 44