and naturally they are not going to like you because of his. reputation. under the Batista regime.. . . " oe Se - 2, aon che * 3 178 Cuba, you have the Cuban people that don't. like him . o So ‘this is ‘how “I’'g6t to meet Jerry Bucanhan. Now Is forgot what the question was... Mr. Triplett. - Whether. or not there was any approach ‘to ‘you’or, your organiz Re ation by Lee Harvey | The Witness. Oh. So with his brother, Jim~ Bicanhan being a newspaper man up there at the Sun Sentinenaljin Fort Lauderdale, Jerry spoke to ‘me .one day.and mentioned the fact, after the SaaS Se oan eho aSsassination, he mentioned the fact to me, he says -wéll, he. says there is a possibility that. Oswald was - YY : down here in this area trying to infiltrate the Cuban Q. =e ee S.W. REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHINGTON, D.C, 29024 (202) $54-2345 exile groups here before. the assassination. But there ‘ V7 | was nothing definite. Because I found out through S| so _ z Say own: connections and so forth that Oswald was not = 1? | down in. this aréa, at least that I knew of. That he e ; . a Coe wo Lo | ; : = .20 lvas not down in this’ area and that he tried to go sex"! | ahead and infiltrate our group and other Cuban groups. UR ae There was a student directorate group that was 23 [Operating here also and they have made statements to ** | the effect, and also to us, that there was a possibility ; ¢ i . ‘ ; : ; 2 jehat Oswald ~-- now there might have been a communication | 4 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. Docld: 32252529 Page 180 © :
: ~ wo. gap | ‘there. because they had ‘their group - also down. ‘there in. New orteans,, you enowy dnd | that, Oswald. possibly woula have. ‘been in this” area there. “80 this is: where it ‘came, about. that oswata was: in |. pOssibly- ‘in this ‘area. ‘trying to: infiltrate ‘the ‘cuban “exile. groups: Mr. Triplett. wet, ) aside from the word that “was essentially just around ‘that: he might have ‘been ne . a" ; in ,the area trying to" infiltéate, do. you know, of. Ce 20024 (2029'S5u-239n5 ™ anyboay that said yeah, t- saw. him trying to: infiltrate, a The witness: Well verry tola’ me. ‘that. he. “thought | eos saw him: in- the - area? > jhe. had a. fight: with him, aor Triplett. Jerry Bucanhan?.. |) 1 ‘The: Witness: Jerry Bucanhians | REPORTERS. BUTLDING, “WASHINGTON, D.C “ Mr. “Triplett. Or Jerry: Patrick? S.W, wnat he. told me. ORS ae a “upon what aia h he. base that? fs oO othe. Witness. NO. Jerry Sucanhan. That is - oe oBripiett. 300 7TH STREET, t, ae ai Loy ght cay op oe the’ = Withess. ! t on! a iow,” Maybe. because of: | ; | : the times’ “and: with the. possibility of: the. information a * es - that ‘Oswald was: in this varea.” But we “found out ‘later’ te ' i | Ez that. it. was not. so. mre! nripiett. nd.how did you find that out?: . “=. RLBERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. DocId:32252529° Page 181 ~ “going. in the Cuban colony,” that there was: a s roretbaniey
2002" (202) S54-2345 REPORTERS BUELDING, WASHTHGTON, D.C. S.W. 300 77TH: STREET, Docld: 32252529 we a. : - department to the - Dade “cotinty Sheriff's. Department, | “I say, there was no way to find out. No Proof. You run through a lot of names and. I have got a few more. or ever met David Moralez (phonetic) ? The Witness. Through word of mouth. — Through © our people in the Cuban colony. _ Not only. that, the Federal Agents in this area. You know, when the assassination occurred, you could imagine, everybody in this area, from the local police to every Federal ‘Agency in. this area here, was on alert ‘doing their ; own investigation into, you know, this assassination. ‘Doing. their/own private investigation. _ And we could find nothing in this area. | - | | And I'think the CIA boys in this area at that - time were ‘asked ‘about Oswald bei ng in this. area and so forth. Because’ many. of my friends again, for itistance line Salvadore Garcia, who worked. for the Agency and who gave me certain documents to turn over to the committees and so forth that tried to show the ink between Oswald and Ruby, also vas know, strong. proof that Oswald was in the area. 3 Mr Triplett. Let me ask you, you know, I have ‘The Witness. Go ahead. Mr. Triplett. “Have you ever had any association ALZERSON REPORTING COMBPANY, INC. 182—
ore i | | | familiar.” I don't recall off-hand. It sounds familiar. SR ate Roe Pr F 1821 The Witness. David Moralez? That sounds Ww ; Mr. Triplett. It is our understanding that he +e | } | a . | also was'known as Elino (phonetic). He was a Mexian — American. | an . The. Witness. Like I say, it sounds very familiar, There. is: a possibility. I'm not. sure and I can't eS ESS eS SS Se eS * ? 202% (202) 954-2345 ‘put in my mind where I heard the name, or if I met ‘this person. A.C. Mr. Triplett. All right. — SS ~™ WASHINGTON, The Witness. Is that how you pronounce it? ry a, bogs ! | | | | ' . . ; ae | ‘How about a Giffrey Pinchot? . oe 7 How do you spell that-last name?: . v Mr. Triplett. P-i-n-c-h-o-t. —_ roy - The Witness. ~ P-i-n-c-h-o-t?. I'm not sure. REPORTERS BUTLDIN ran te I'm thinking again. with Alex Roark introducing me S.W.. to somebody in New York that had some name that started with a "P" on the end of that. Anda I'm not | sure of the phrasing of the name. An elderly man. 300 7TH STREET, ‘At that time he was an elderly man. ee Mr. Triplett. Who was this person you were introduced to in New York? g: woes eee, es - The Witness. I'm not sure really who he was. 2 o : I.am not sure, really. Mr. Triplett; Well, was, theré.a purpose’ for “WN in : ey Fe "3 mene Entice hae” ah 24% SVS "SP PERSON REPORTING COMPANY ING. . * Oe OEMS ARS PS RT . Docld: 32252529 Page 163
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pe gs My _ The Witness. I don't know ‘really, if I had _ Honest with you.” Because he has been involved in SO de | -afly association with: this man or not. . I'll-be tiany .things. And again, you know, unless I'm close + with them, you know, if they're friends of mine... But. this man here, I may have run across him in’the. | past, met him in the past. 20024 (202) S5"=2345 na ‘Mr. Triplett. “Have you ever had occasion to | | “dhe Witness: Yes. Right. Independent. Church ‘of God. | a | ee “Mr. -Tripiete. When: was this? “ thé Witness. This was before Watergate. My. me being with the special intelligence unit,:I felt REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. ry 9 that once I.would be, you know, after these particular. Tes Anentone o this church, because of the. nature of operations,. I wanted. ‘to go ahead ‘and raise funds and wed - 4 Sa | 6x South, American countries for.the purpose of helping gn 7TH STREET, S , the ‘poor people, in that area.. Buty I never got. around free in certain Central American countries. | | : , Wo. a ae ie it because I went-to jail and’ that flopped. | Mr, Triplett. So the purpose of this church | was to raise money? | fe The Witness. Yes. I would have to go ahead Or ; a ia | 7 and have a fund: raising. campaign. .And I-wanted Jim ALDERSGN REPORTING COMPANY. INC. Docla:32252529 Page 185:
S.M. Docld: 32252529 REPORTERS: BUTLDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) $54-2345 300 7TH STREET, ba nN . on Page ee ee ms nrc neers s es w . * ; © ee atid chartered it with Tallahdssée. Anybody can do ‘Otganization? | fina raisers, to do the same thing. You know, helping 184 McCord to help ‘me on that because of his contacts” in Washington. — r. Triplett. Well, with respect to this church, were. you or any ‘of“your, friends ever ordained as ministers? 5 oe. as ae ee pe ep . as os The Witness. Well,’ the church charter had, How do you say, it. was. formed where, if you wanted to- ordain ministers’, you can ‘ordain ministers for the. purpose of, you know, doing exactly what I said. “Mr. Triplett. - Who chartered the church? “The Witness. I did. I formed the charter. that.” Mr. Triplett. I understand that. ; But was there any affiliation with any other “The Withess. No. Strictly on my wo ecto -On my i It was my personal thing. | | oa As. a ‘matter. Of fact, if ever get in the finahesal situation, 1 wish to formaa new. organization to either ‘do the same thing, if the money can be raised through: professional advertising and. professional people having missions, to help people. Mr. Triplett. . Now.when,I.first asked you the ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 186°
.W. s u/s i Docla: 32252529 REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) 354-2345 30 7TH STREET, | question about the church you said because of my What unit: were you referring to? - th the Witness. The vunit that was formed ‘by the -fetationship with the special iatelligence unit. President of the united, States and the unit I belonged . to, and. my other three companions. The so- ~called 4 it 7 Plumbers .- « Mr. Triplett. Let's” take a five minute break. 2 (A short’ recess was: taken. ) 19 | wes. teiplects “ALL right. Just a few more WW | questions and we'll be ‘aone, Mr. Sturgis. Let me 12, throw one more name at you. ) | 3 “The Witness. All right. td | Bok, Mr, Triplett. De you know, or have you ever Is | fet a Francisco Rodriguez, Tomio (phonetic), his: | S| nickname is El Mexicano? cs the Witness. Yes, sir. “| Mr. Triplett. When and where did you first » - the. Witness. ro believe I met him probably one tie in, Cuba and in exile here one” ‘time. | Ard that s 2 about ie. | | an _ Mr. Triplett, And.what occurred, if anything, | ae those ‘néetings. | an - the > Witness. | Well, he, was in a Cuban restaurant | Bho ALERSON™ gERCRTNG « ccMpany, Inc.” Page 187%;
186 when t. came by dressed ‘in his. Rebel uniform, -He was, here in. exile, with his beard and tr ran across him, . and hi, and sO forth. That's it. ‘No. conversation ‘That's it. a. mn Mr. Triplett. Okay. t , 2 ee Who is Janet Mann? The Witness. My wife, Her. name was Janet Hunt. 2n024 (202) She. married | a Mann, divorced and naturally I married’ - Mr. Triplett. And who is Lora Norris? - The Witness. Who? Lora Norris? “es Mr, Triplett. Yes?” oR The Witness. ‘fT believe you are talking about ty , . : . a ° . . “ o, 4 my sister-in-law. ©. 1 Mr. Triplett. I see. * REPORTERS BUILDING ,. VASHTHGTON, D.¢. * . - mo . : i" = pe en o is ‘The witness. cin is. ‘the sister: of my. wife. ‘ TP ome Triplett... oBad: did the.” “three: of you have Pac occasion to ‘form a “gotporation at some ‘t time? F: 19 The e witndss. “onyivee. is xin not mistaken: 5. a it was the church. T put them as officers. of the "| ehureh. | oe : a foe. ; 1 . a be Mr, Triplett. I Bee. . So the, three of you 73 | fokmed the church, at least on paper? ian ie Were ‘either of, them active at all in the 2s | | tormation other ‘than being incorporators? | t : ' ALSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. DocId: 32252529 Page 188 ©
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554-2345 20024 (2023 S.W. 300 7TH STREET, “Docld: 32252529 REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. an in Page 190 |. dealings with a General Biddle? a on nS The Witness. No, sir. -Mr. Triplett. All right. I don't think I have any further questions at this time. You have been very helpful in answering the questions so far and 1 know you have brought some information with you. Rather than putting that into the record, I would . suggest, could you make it available to my investigators for copying and’ analysis for use in our investigation? before the committee, at the conclusion of the. questioning, of a witness, for the Chairman of the Committee to: tell the witness that he has five minutes if he wishes, .to make “any. statement. .on..the record. _ While this isn't.a hearing, I think it is a. ‘fair custom to follow and if you have any brief statement’ you want incorporated into the record at ‘this time, feel free to state it. © The Witness. No. Satisfied with all the questions. ‘ oa ~  T woulda like to give copies to Mr. Gaéton Fonzi - or Mr. Al Gonzales pertaining to this’ information which is about ‘Marita Lorenz." °° - “Mr. Triplett... Fine.-: We appreciat it. Thank cod | i | | | i { i | 7 | And also it is customary. when we have hearings © | os - on | | i | I | | | | i | | ALDERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Po . |
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