104-10232-10018 20 October 1961 ' PEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD i SUBJLAT:s Peeting with Dr. Kiro in hew York City on : October 16, 1:41 & The rocting with Dr. Kire on October 16 wus peatruned from 10:00 until euch tive ag hia sudience ten inut-d with Cardinal Sreliran, He artived .t ry Poor. nt abut 10150, He declared that the Cardinal had weet when he leurned the detailu of the suffering of the Cubnna at the i handa of Castro; ceclured that the Archbtahop of Mian! waanl4 doing | enough for the Cuban ref\yreagy that the U.S. waun't Joiny enough for them; that Castro rust be overthrow. Piro told the Cardinal that ip all Latin Arerics there vere poin: to Le organired acts of ayrpathy for the Cuban sufferers, The Cardinal said he would say » Kass ror ther on October 17. He invited bire to ese lim at any thre. Miro anawored ry query ag to the Lacerta ut¢nirs by stating thad ' {% was very succeasfuls 2,!CO people vere Inaive the auditorium and ancther 1,000 peo-le outuide; that Lacerda had received such applause. —— The inter-Arerican Press Assoclution affairs also had given an opportunity to present the Cuban tragedy. He asi! that he (hiro) had ~". told how Fidel had shot 3] peovle in Septexber alone, and other vetella; had described how Communist: vas gaining groun! day by days tht in Cube they have Iinetalled a powerful radio atation breedcaating to Lutia Arerica; that ten countries have Lruken with Cuba, but Argentina hae not; that everybody is cunfused. fe informed te that aa for the documents relating to the Cuban : plots in argontina, the Arpentine rilitary ren care to talk to Yaron, and he gave them sune‘doourents that have no imortance, The officers told Verona textually "ve have no confidence in the Argentine Foreign ' Office,* nevertheless, when thay arrived there, they turned over the ; docurenta to the Foreir¢n Office, But these decurents had no imvortances they were ccrely to veronstrate tha’ there hac teen an extradition of dccumanta, am’ that they vere originale. The ii rortant vccurents are held by Varonm in Misni. i Miro eaid they also vieunliszed another act involving Lacerda is Miand, Sut that bis “adr infatrative® budget really does net “rovide for propi-arda setivities (such as the Currert SE ond Laceria affairs), I countered that it wos cunsidered that his budget was sufficient for his. to ecnduct sore propaganda activities; obviously nothing on a major i scale -- but sore things. : chee snore A ree
14-00000 ; Mivo declared that interna) prozegenca and claniestine action in Cuba eviid not be delayed any longer. I szreed on the necnanity, and thet 1% wae believed that measures are receasary to forvent in Cuba. the oposition to Castro. “The seocle are egainat hin" declared Vireo. ‘ @But. increase it," I anawered. Miro then steted “If this action doesn't ster. fra the Conuejo (CRC) — not aa as ‘independent agency, but in. close euntuct with you (the Ayency), -—- what we forrent is a corplete disorder in Cuba, aml aftervards no goverment can succeed; secondly, 4 we do rut have a central plan, amd? carry it out vell in 4 core or less listtved veriod of tine, there «lil rerely be rore shooting of '. people (prisoners) by Fidel.* "g:d this ie my insistence. Ecw 1 ar. afrald to go to Miami. what an I t tell the people there? Vhat co 7.0? Converse? Veanvhile the Agency keeps on infiltrating people into Cube but disconnected fro. the Council. I was told in ry conversaticn with the President to saplify the senberstip in the Consejo. I rave endeavored to do that, Ia the Council there are other creat organizations « dolegates from each of the organizations « that ask ze for aria, Cyrazite, things, and I op here | powerless, Therefore T rust work with you people in order to see Low we xay tard over arug and a plan of acticu go they ray see that this is not merely an endlosa series .of satotaze actions.” I reoliod, *.e11, I believe that a well-worked-out plan tzet alcove yood chances of success will we favorably considered." "How about area for the Escartrey?® osked Miro. I replied that it was ry understanding that arms for tze Escanbray eould only be landed on the North Coast; how then wis they pet to the Escar brey? Miro said that the boaf which had rand zany trips (working for You), would have to establish communication 2m: find out vhen they would pick up the arras; what cannot be done “io avercn Osvaldo Ranires in his gituaticn of anguish becauue he is tre only reel regional foous of resistanre that there ia there, and re fas Leen really lett dts a desperate situation for three ronthe. { tetcrposed that there ssered acme uestion about the puper from Ramirez 2eking for arms, whether it wes te real thing. "Perfectly idantified® ronlled Vireo, "re assured thet it is perfectly identified and requeata have come to me through different ehannels aaking for these ara. I am sti] waiting now for a month anc a belf, All you have to do ta tell us the reans of delivery, tha veorle t contact and then celiver to our Cutans the arna, dynatite, fuses, I az still waiting, end eriticiax (of Cubans against inaction) increases catlye® ®211 the delegations of revoluticcary groups 4n the Council] sak re for ares eri ceans for fighting. But I cannot mrovide then anything. Meamdé.ile the Agency ie infiltrating -eczse into Cuba without counting on the Consejo for anything. This puta it inte an absurd position ~ merely a "eourell vainted on the wall.” [I ave said, “Look for someones elee if z am not ecuaidered able to do the job tut we rust work. I have confidence 4nthe Agency, but I cannot work inthis fashion.® : ened.
“Iéva asked for money for the clandestine groups. What have they aaid about that?" Fire vifed that there is a problem of the means of delivery, that the % present appears undesirable. The Anbussador isn't theres Well, We Look for another reans; the | anything - those peonle need :oney*® he countered. I have to carry out cone crete things,” he declared, *I'r now like a person ina awier:ing pool without water." "For three emi a half nonths I've struggled to maintain a revolutionary spirit, My rilitary reople ara waiting till I arrived and tell then, "thig .ust be done, % must be dene. fSothing yetl and without any cisn, I don't go anywhere; nowhere! "The other time I went with my eyes closed, through faith. Ke had a fallure and the fallure fell upon-res-T cannot proceed under such circure atauces in no way. Tye asked for-$50,000 to send in to the unJerground, The Russians are spending £400,000 in propaganda and have lesa than the U.S. We stall not compronise the U.3. Tell me the way to send it in, The Council is to aid ther, not merely to conduct reetings.9 ®On that request they haven't replied anything?" he asked, I anawored that on thia iter, I had made known Mire's desire, but that so far nothing had been resolved, *I'm not corplaining," he stated, "but for three ronthe I have beon asking for a con.act withthe authority to resolve. Why? Because I'm getting nowhcre, When I return now I ehall be asked, "How sbout it?" and must answer, "You will have te wait because 1 have ncthine.! And meanwhile the Agency keeps on infiltrating people into Cuba incerendent of the Consejo, Let us go back. Without being in agrserent, I cannot serve yous I have no interest in presiding over a Council that is of no use." I pointed out that the Couneil must continue to exist, with him as its president, aa the coordinating body of the resistance roverent, but that there sre certain difficulties in rutting the student or labor activie ties uncer the direction of the Council; that these groups are now functioning efficiently and that I trusted that he could see the croblecs of completely changing their control, direction, and coordination. I added that I believed that he should know semething of what they are doing and that I belleved that should be kept inforred, "I know absolutely nothing,” he replied, "what cores to me ia from these sume individuala. I au not in agreement with that, I's becoring ridie culous. Under these ciroumstances I cannot continus. I have nlanted the probler of the underground, the proble. of the collateral organizations (thet he vould like tc have in Couneil by :eing their source of support and coordinaticn), of the magistrates, and now you have seon whet ALABAU has done (proclaiming GARCEKAN ag president of exile government), tho is work= ing with you people, and you have seen the reaction cf the State Departrent. How yosteriay ALABAU is publishing political denuncistions against the Couneil. I have discussed the zatter of the :agistrates with the C.1.4., 1 don't remenber the mame of the person, A month has pagecd and the other magistrates (those with ALABAU) haven't been stooped (in their activities) apd they haven't had elections as I requested to select ancther leader,® . cu pams tee tite
| t ~- a t "The students are econtioulng their activities. I 'beliave that I have _ Sonetiiing in ry head aa 8 tasis for the determination of what ahonld be discussed in the Council vite ra; and in agreerent vith you; but these exioting clreurstances, wits.cut any connection, sake Lt ‘go that I cannot continue the clandestine aid, fo the first proble:, I presented your reply, *e uhall se.* To the serce: probler, the collteral orgenizations —= which continues the sane 28 :#fure; the third probler I presented, on arts to serd in, nothing. Tre fourts, probler, the prupavanca! operation "Griets® that I showed you, nothing.* I reclied thit om the latter I had discussed the ratter, that it was, T teliever, a auggention given to rile in the De parte rent, of State. J | "If we don't rake sresezends and send arrs inte Cute now, {i's useless,® he declared, "And J canzet rerain in ellence.” I renlied tiat I velieved quite a bit of propaganda wes Le‘ng coniucted. "Yes, but. incependent of the Co:neil, I CaNhUT Ex A P7271" “They (the Agency) keep.on cealing with the MRP, with the Unidad Revelusicrs ric, and they haven't ontered into the Council Sipnly because they ara in cirect contact with the dyency. Thus it appears that none of the oreblens uct I took up with you soze twenty daya ago have been resolved, and I'll tave to take another solution. I'vant to know the truth if T'r not acceptable. I'll leave and without an; scandlé whateouver. I have svalloved #11 the eriticisc, in ry own house, in allence, ag though I vere responsible for everything. i carnot continue to do thisiend be doiny nothing. I cannot be a puspet! I nave me arza to give.® | oo He reiterated that neviing had been resolved on any of bis requests and procesals, am’ that he eculiatt ecntinue thus. That he could quit, go to _. Puerto Kico su a profasscr. Re edded te vould want te work with us. Ho then referred to the ects of Lunercs in New York, which had cdat four thousand dollers, plua passace, & ricic.cus sur apend from the sdninistrative Budget. "Ke huve paid the passare, nis living ecets here.® he said. ; 1 "How I yo to Fiard where i heave to face the organizations grouped into the Council, "Aire for ever;.tere?® "I haven't any. All the organizations free= wheeling there which dcen't sexe to join torether Lecause trey ere vorking directly with your peonle.* £ esid this sas unfortumte and askid whether there eculd nct be sore form.:* realizin. econtacta with ther without nocea~ asrily channelising their garrert ard direction through the Council, such as ty forming o eompittee sicrg the lines I had suger sted) in Miand. Mire then reterred t the syreement reached in the Khite House reeting with Fr. Goodwin, Mr. Woodward, with sertlemen of the C.TLA., and with Fr. Hurwits. First, “Inst he caly tiny that is recortdeed 13\ the Consejo (CRC); Cr. Dire is the :eracn of cur eurfidence and will have aa, ecrinistretive budget which he will ocntres? anc will report later the exvenses of coordina] tion, suc that anv other excenses, vropayandia cr clandestine activity, will be paid by the Arency; for the creviere of the organizations! in the Coureil there will be a ecntact to assist is working out their solutions; that is to say, — that thelr prellera of toate ase: arcs.” Another point was|that im case there are organizations thet do act choose to Join the Council, Dr. hiro will be perfectly informed im actance of the ratters at hand anc will give his authorisation, That fa to aay, it estatiishes a unifying ecntrol over the a net se nN TE EL NetencrERr Gani nt oe
14-00000 wry “Ty oon (CRC). Thave seven, to work with you, with me, with the peovle vho are going to carry out the activities, with the people that I designate. Hothing of that is being done, Then what they vant is te work alone.® "I will not continus. I will not continue from the: tine I return t Hismi. I have gone on for five ronths, struggling. I cannot accept this situation, I have tried te pull together those sroupa 8&8 asked in the White House. I haven't succeeded in Srouving any rore, because » I want te apeak clearly in order to rerain good friends aleays = because you have prevented it, The atucenta havon't Joined, not because of no political reason, but merely tecause you sunport ther: directly. Presumably the idea ie that in this way the seourity of this nation is better aa fepruardced. A Consejo was desired to serve as the coordinating group and to provide a &eans by which the United States vould not appear tote intervening in Cuba. If there ie to be a Consejo, it must have all the dignity of a Council,® "When I try to form a Council, grouping all elexents together, they don't Join because they are talxiny directly with your people = and there is an office fer that rurpose in Fiamd « which deals with all the ren who want to work, \ho vant to do things. This is all indevendent of tho Council. And seme vork for a destruction of the Council, I eannot tolerate this, T have @ gon vho is a rrisoner; either I know the plana, ind I knew the saneuver and the problers that they are going to carry out, or I, when I arrive in Miemi, will say, ®Xo,® and send woad to washington, Let them do without ae, There will be someone who will submit to these things, but not I.* “And of the four iters thet rccRemedy- promised me to resolve, there shave not been reaolved any, and I ‘find pyself in the dark, And I as. very sorry. I am not going to corvrerias the ascurity of this Nation, but neither an I going to couprorise the situation of these boyae kKhen they disappeared, lost their lives, etc,, I waa contronted with "And you ere the president of the Couneil,* I carnot remsine in this WAY oo *I haven't been able to group together anything, I “as prowi sed that the ragistrates would all incorrorate together (into the Council), but that rascal ALAEAU {9 working against the Council and I have reagon te teliove that he 4s doing it with Agency aupport, otherwise how would he pay for his polities] denunolations," I regoonced, that [ Lelieved this could not be true, He shouted, "I have expressed ry position te you, and I want you to get an answer when you can. If tesa orotlers that I have set forth do not have an immediate sclution, I & not'to kucw and to dispose of relative actions to be taken, then how, in view of ey situation, must I do,® He asked about the nlan for clandestine sabotaze action by cornrande raid, that he had given us, and what hed core of it. I replied that he rust realize that the study of such a plen necessarily was alow end must be " considered by rany. Ne said he was convinced that there was no intention of accepting such plans, and that while mow we diseues such plana, we lose out. "I cannot accept this situation, nor would you,* ‘ . i ‘ o, +ae 4
om aye ee es ta <] . ate ho Ha then said that he could xo ahead ar! Gissulve the Council, and let @uch organization go ahead anu do aa it plesacd; that he couldn't proaide over @ reaningless councils thet (hia uas not a treat, tut he would step oute I resssured hiv that he waa hiyhly cateered in Washinton and [t vag neceassry that he continue as head o/ the Council, He rerlied, "But they Sisreyard co.® He reiterated that he had :lanted four oroblore, nam of whieh nad teen Pesolvedy ralterutcd that ie hel rlantad the cronavanca oroblen @ long time ago, but that :roupagermia continues indaponcient et the Counotl and peuple ore sert oul like these to the Con-regs of stuconts in Jae Paulo, wiera they repeut ¢ Inga Like purrots vtdeh don't go. with Latin . dverican audiences. oa *I huve asked for arras elther vive us rassive ald, one, two, three nillica ~ whatevor {a necezsary, ecause this is to deatroy Con mundi ain, and we'll rs:ke our plang. Ard ve'li furnish the dead, fcr wo can do no Fore. -e runt work in ayreeront, Lecause new ench tire that I aveak, it's "we aholl seo, we are going to stiniy," = und nothing kapoens. No, no, I skal) not preside over. ancther Courcd] existing: under these clroune stances, I have often arent 24 houra without sleeping, trying to pull together the groups, and meantize, problers arise on all sides. why? Becauze so lony as othar prouze vet sunport, they won't enter the Couneidl, The MiP ta in cantaet with you und getting arra; now the Unidad Revolu= clonarig, I rerein the ridiculous one. Already I've suffered a lot and heave a son who la a prisoner, And I've talked a lot durine theaw daya, and I keen on being 4 puppet, vut worse than 4 ouonet; because a vuppet ia woved, Lut I's not even reved." . *Thercfore, I say to you that the grouns that want to work with us, ' you, the chief of that grow,, emd I, wa ought to rusolva all these queatdons; for eyazcle, with the chief of the nilitary group, keennas he has pulled together the profussicnal arny and the rebel arey (elorents) and the arvy Of iikeratica, such us Varnla, Botus, ino and the boys, sho have core ' from the Lrigade." He declared thet SUT'S ia a fighter, is willing ; return to Cuba, ard that he had great confidence in SOTLS, , : I assured him that the legalization of SOTUS! residence would be arranze9, and that ¥r. Hurwitz inforved ne th.t he believed. sorething could Le dere for the other three returnees viose nares Ir. Fino had - giver sa. Dr, Kire reiterated that he rust speak clearly, that he sould not continue thus ag 4 travelling preaicent without having anything to give te his peocle —- nothing to the underyroun! through Couneil sotion; mer could ‘ he be ignorant of plans which he osnoved where Cubans go out to die, and i thea having their relatives core to his ag responsible, He declared, *I ‘ don’t want to live on a budget, creside ever an adr inistrative office, ' receive peorle, tell the: lies, saying, "We aiall sea.® The ren vho are
14-00000 mye rie @: ‘ oo here (in Council) reprenenting organise tions rust know something of vhat thay are going to do and if they ask for 40 rifles, I pust be able to say, *Here they are® ~ nut to give arma directly into their hands = hut through & contact for this, Otherwise you people puke your plana, and I'll retire Seom averything, And be asaured that never, never will I say a single vord against the Agency or the United States, never; nor exuluin reasong which shouldn't be explained, , "If f cannot have the responsibility that I should have, I ehall not lend ryeelf to what ray result in a trazady. Nono of tha problems I have planted have been resolveds not that of the re,istratea nor that of the Recumbrey, nor the roney to the underground, haa been roselwad, not the ‘plan of propagamia that I gave you. I cannot continua to wit in an office, Wille you continue operating, as you wish, with ry silont consent. You may choose sozmone elee like Pr. Godoy, who 4@ aking Cor arms. Choose and ee@ Vhether hia nace will save Cuba. You are roing to create another Fidel, who fa nothing. I revinded him that I had my talks with hin only ton daya before, not twenty, and that I could talk to no one im Washington until a week ago and had to have rany conversations with rany peovle, and that his proposals sould not be resolved In such a short tire. He ruturned to the a;recrent that "plang of actlon be discuseed jointly; that if there vere objections, that the objoctions be discussed, He eald thera had been no objections so far to dlacucs; nor objections to propaganda plans. Ke waa to have contact with o representative of C.I.A. to xeet with representatives of orgend sae tions that want to colleborate, and with Dr, Miro == nothing developed on that He declared that he should have knowledge of the activities of thone that don't vant to collatorates; and said euch day there will te sore, becnune they want to cuin the power for therselvea; to act on their own aconunt, Ho said he knows there ie a “Jin* and a "Robert® and others that are duing thinge, t aseured hir he rust realize that there ware + any problens lnvolved ia his proposals ani that tise was essential to work then out, I rerinded hiz of Lia conversation with Fr. Goodwin and the lattera! etate: ent to the effect that thera could be no thought in the foreseeuble future of a mille tary operation against or invasion of Cutu. Miro countered by referring ta hie eonverastion with the President on 1¢ July and hia (Miro*s) complaint of inactivity. He sald the President pronoged the recruiting of Cubane in different units of the arry for training so aa to utilise ther ut the opportune tine, ani that the officers would be invited to our ndlitary acheola, Miro said he had gethered some of the rilitary torether and ine forzed them of this offer, aml the naxt week he was'called to dfeouss the ‘recruiting, wich he avproved, Then Genera) Herahey went to see tém at hia house, telling him thet Cubans wouldn't be sent;to Berlin or any such place but kept in the U.3, uvailuble for use later, Fire said, "If there is to Le no invasion, then let's utilize the underground, which needa arns and roney,.® | , i genans . . rae yt oe hee
14-00000 _ the cover of a certain zagasine because he didn't know vhether he was i acconplish thie, ceacis — oo He again repeated, "There rust be raseive oroparenda; seo ndly arr.ag , , we shall furnish the dead, but I need to zn0v “low are we going to die.” en He commented that he was going to ack that his photo;raph not be put on i going to continue; that in the present cire.retances he didn't see how he eould continue, Again I urged thut Le rust do ao, ord that I felt certela - that we could resolve sure of his provosals, rrotubly not te the extent that he desired, but at least in purt, but that tine was necessary to. : He repeated that the Counoil neots to have ene -otion'aken in Cuon, tut the Agency keeos on uncertaking actic: a without any connection vith the Council. Furter, that he muat have the reann fur eonductiony propa . : panda, such ng outlined in the "Operaticn Grieta.” He askod so when could woe I give hin sore anavers, I replied that during tho current week I expected ; to have reetings in which thess ratters wuld Le discussed = the Lepartcent of State, with Mr. Goodwin, with representatives of the Agency, and that I hoped thet aurething would te resolved, tut thot ho must realize that rany people are involved in such matters and avlutions are rot reached quickly. fle reiterated that ho had to keen telling tis orysnizationa Frait a Little longur® and that this wan, becoming owturrassings : Ther he brought up hia preposal of huvine tim and the Couneil go to Cuba, saying “porhans it would be edvantazeous tht I die in Cuba; that the Council ask recopnition from Cuban 40/1 ond the military add of the United States == all to tute place within 4¢ hourn, He added, “I have I told you of the reaction of Cardinal Srellran, So heve done very vadly in the Cuban affair.* . ; i rerinded hir that descite tho urgeficy taat we all recoynized in the Cuban situation end ita threat to the Oritea Statea and 41] the Arericas, there are rany other world problera - Laos, rerlin, ate., ~ wich also occupy the attention of our goverrrent cacnle. Then I eaid I wished to take odvantage sf our roeting to ask him for information relative to his current budeots first, did he believe that there were ally peonlg receiving » aslery Sra the Couned] vio might alse be getting financial ald for. H.E.x, He acid, "No, £ would never parr it that.” Then he declared that he had two ways of orer-ting when ho shacrked the personnel of the various orvanigations int: the CNC, either to e.t off their sninries audidenly, ur to put ther to wore fur their cay; that tre *norina" (payroll) prew a little Lit Lecuuse be had fo take in certain neovle, and that he ecrsidered tis absorbing them was vecoriing to the nolicy of C.I.A. Then he declared thet the raxizu bererit received by ; rofugees ‘ror. H.F,W. was §1CC per far tly cer ronth, anu that no vhere Lere eould » farily live o. a humired a ronth., Heres, be did not feel] that he ; could cut off the peovle on the staffs of the Oho organieations, and send ther. to the H.E.wW; ‘Therefore, they were sasigned te the different ee ee ae ee we es
14-00000 UPAre anf a "The money for the uncerground Je ruch and contact io doubtful, an ‘ exeuse, The problem of Cuba costs a lot of verey$ The reanle of the Escanbray © it's difficult to deliver arma to them? But we are going to run that clek, The urts are guimy to be leat? ‘ell, riske must be taken.® Fire aguin referred to the proups that didn't want to colluborate with the Couneil but would cullaborate directly with the Avenoy atating that he had opvesed it uni utill opposed it; that he received a very affectionate letter asking hin to try vork out all the croblors tetween us ond accept & solution, ami that a rvorosentative wouls! be cesiynated to work with hig that Iohad aupreared und he had soent two very pleauant daya with re; that I was very underotarding; that twent; aya bad passed of great arglety. (“tot twenty but ten," I intercoued.) He auld he figured that probably he right have arrn and hein for the underprouwnl an! ‘row about plans of action and bad felt dtrenthened. "But® he said, "now I fual knocked dow, hone of the olens or propsgania provosals have been accepted, none. The firing. wal] in Cuba continues functioning, 31 dead in %) days. by resignation has been written leng ayo, und { am ready to subrit it aa goon ag I return te Hier i.# : ; I declared that he rust not do that, that he must have patienes., that it tnkes time to resolve these things; He replied that he hae been waiting since April and rantioned 211 the sufferin: he Lad gone through, attacks by everyonn, rothers of prisoners ami dead, the Arericaon Press, Fortune, Time, Lifo, Hew York Tinas, etc., all against tin alo: with ALABAU Trelles, — and othoras and that he had aupnorted all of this in silence. He had becn @aked it it were true that there was no air susrort and had not answered, "the other tire I kept my lips closed with atseslute raith, the noxt tine I shal] huve ry eyes open and have rany queaticns. I don’t unceratand how you people can deal weth sore of these unknown Cubans, _ He said, "I've given many vroofs of loyalty to you. What they attribute to me the other cay in Miari that *thero would be an invasion in a few daya", that 1s not true, [ have a tape recording of what I said which vag *very soon (without ventioning any date) in Cuba there would be unveiled the great Pascuas (resurrection) of the Fetherlerd., and the presa hus rise interpreted Pascuas us the Pascuns de Nevided (Chriateas). . 1 "Thus the orend cones out with staterents attributed to Dr. Piro that tne invasion will take place by Christras, cornletely a lie and nothing dike whut I said,® I conceded to fr. lira that i had suffered a trerendous nusber of attacks in silence and that the prasa hed over a period of tlre core out with critical rerarks. I asked his. if ba planned to pasa: through kastington before returning to Miami and he sata he didn't have money for such expensess thet tig wife wae terribly vorried about their son, bud thet he would have to reiain im New York until Wednesday to attend the luneteon ror all the editors of the Latin A:-erican preas, who want to con= verse with hin, te help with propagands but wittcut costing the U.d. a ‘ cent. ae . | rer ee
14-00000 ory { { L | i cormissions within the CRC finance, propoganda, clandestine, rilitary, - 4 organisation, ete. The .nes who ere no good or don'& vant to work, he . said, he would cut off, but that he couldn't just fire sareone euldenly, ; He thes vaid saluries vere arall © $200, $225 per ronth.as an average — i except for particular individuals, such os hie useietant Arayon, a very “Ty capable pergon,and the chiefs of the various organizations whe work *ful) tine® and receive $400 each; further that he planned to give each organiza« ‘ tion approximately 3700 per nonth for their operating exrenase, somo leag, | some a little more ~ (MRR, Hescute, 30 de Nov, 26 de Maye, AAA Indenend= fentes, Kontecrist1) . Co boo i Wien I questioned whether the bonteoriat’ orvanization wan util] in the ChC, he said it.was, that only Justo Carillo had dropped out of the ; CHC but the proup rerained in and had a new head, He added that he had 4 just had a requoat from Carille to provide hin (Carillo) with a thousand Sollare; that Carillo had photographic copies of sore checks that he had paid,to Waldo Frank for propaganda activities azainst Cuba and that Carillowaa asking roimburserent but kiro said he didn't oonsider he had to give it to Carlie. | — Returning to the budgot, Fire Said, "There are leo varlous employees) there is the item of trips; there are the military yeople grouped under the military commisaion ~ I cannot let the. suffer risery. There sre no atudenta on the payroll] beceuge they are being suyndrted by you (the Ageney). And right there « difference is estub] ished betwwen those in the Council and those who receive money (ron. the Agenoy directly, which fe more then thet received by ry peonle, See how you (the Agency) withe out intending te, and for reasons of insecurity, ore going to destroy the Council." He then atated that he had placed Alvares Dias, who had been Minister of Finance, in charge of finance mattera because he (Miro) gould not be everywhere, andto sake certain thet no exnenses were paid on which they were not in agreeront, and which Paula vould carry out. t I querried whether Paula vould continue as accountant, ani Mire said, Seertainly, ag accountant.” He aaid that everyons has been coring to hia ; (Mirc} with all kirds of pleas for money and therefore it was necessary ; to have Alvareaz Diaz in here so that he and Paula night resolve the finance matvera, Miro edded vorde of praise for Paula, "It's like I want to have for each section of the Council, like IT wanted Conte! Aguero to handle propaganda, but since he is receiving ronay fron you, (the agency) he dosan't want to, I have to have someone to take this load of f of we; firat as in Naval affairs, ecreone to lock for boats, arpa, etc,® { asked about Festre for proparanda and Miro replied that estre is no good, never wig of valuaj that he Lad leen put in! charre of the prooa=- ganda coymission previously and givon $48,000 ronthiy, but had done nothings Then he launched inte a criticiar of the Swan proparands; that it was a shee, handled by Batistianost Fernandes VARELA, a Catholics Suares Hernandes, a senator in the epoch of Datista. He nared another (sounded reg SEGE ] t
14-00000 alio | like Chau Miller) a bad peraon and hatiutero. Virco‘ said ha had aaked that Suan te stoped but, since they work directly, thease people ere “@fenied. He added wryly thet he wished they (the Agercy) would defend him (Vireo) that way. He said they (the Apeney) had posed the wrobler five gonths ago in Fiari relative to Jonquin, Jager ie, a Cuban who wee working with the Counoi] and haa worled reyrificently, but then he secepted work with the €.1,A. and continues doing this (ard dw a whatever he rlutnen) a Intele livence, array recr.iting, ate, -~ and vili have noting to do with the Council, - : Again Miro declared thut he had the hivheat regard for Paule and couldn't deanense with hir, had ‘even propowd his nare to be the bagiatrate of the Tribural of Accounts inthe future povermment of Cuba, I added wy understardiny that Prilo had done an excellant job, oarticulearly sentioning hia handling of paying cerender.ta, a mnticulous end arduous task, Firo exciuired that he had never ecnsicered replacing Paula but merely needed Alvares fiaz to handle details with Paula. He anid every~ one in Miami knows 16 is Pula vio has the morey to rake paynents by check, and that he thouvht §4 would be better for the people to get pay= vents In cash ani sign a receiot; that scretines suwacse right rob Paula anu thon people will ouk “ror. wiers doce this roney eure,® aince the Cubune hava no roney,® ‘ Then Dr, Viro aaid he would like to clarify eny doubtf.] questiona, I asked whether he had received any; other communication fren the Eacarbray sroup, He revlled thet he had rot, but that the ona had sora through the Hontecristi proun ant they cortinued to aek hi: for this arcs aid, I asked whether any chany.s ora dditiong had been rade in the Coune!] at the October 10th reeting, Me replied that the PRP hed not anawered hie ine vitation bucause they wore working with the Agency, and that the new group, the Union Kevolucionario, had revliad that they did not, because they have a celegste In vashington who is seeking direst contact vith .%e Goverrvent Agereies. ; Hiro then ceclared thet in order to call a Council reeting, he had to have a preas conference or a présa relense (about, celling w CHO reeting) but Prio, ALAEAL, and everybody were npainat oll tis, and were doubtful - Vhether to core or cot to cove. "Z talked with Conte aguero and with Are reliano pany hours, Arreliann is a fuehrery if things eren't done ag he @inta, he won't co slong, Mornover, he has a atrong anti~Aneriéan sentinent, I talked to ther, but they said, "Ko.® “There ware two proble.as their leck of confidexce in the Coverrmert, and ry contradictory view that wo vant to be with them (with .5.). JY woula Like to huve had to cal] a Couneil neetlig alzoat by force, Therefore I deaided to have ro meeting and no press conference, and to core here (to Kew York City). There vas no session f/ . i seams ee me ee
14-00000 Onn ny ol Qen "The Tastistianos ure very veil organized and also the Fric followers, waiting for re ta do sorething, end I cannot do anything. I'r Like St. Lawrence, roasted on une side and fried on the other,” I asked whother the Couw-ol] was locked tron too ruch as a political entity rather than a unifying medium, Kiro relied, "Those pecple (Pric, Alabau, ete.) want to obstruct the ones who are fightin: Castro through the medium of the Cournot], They are divided into two crours: (1) ‘ Politiciars; Prio, Aloneo Pujol; those that wart to te the directors; (2) The srouna that want to act within Cuba vho don't vant to Join CRC but rather to deal directly wit! you neonle in order to have the power Sonorrow in Cuba; vecple only of action, byt not of corzon sense and whe cannot rean ruch to the future of Cuba; ti HY would cause another era like that of Fidel, who is rothing but a otudent. That‘ia extrerely dangerous, You give these pegole the rauns and if one of them over- throws Fidel he 1s the one who assumes power, He ray be a ycod ran of action but only 24 or 25 years old aryi not one who can orlent Cuba in the way of derocracy, After reaching 40, reople think differently. Fighters are capable of curry ing cut the action you give ther te do, but not to yovern, ; _ Dy. Mire continued to dwell on }:i9 concern ag to the future if these young fighters are given a free hand to co as thoy please; that care muat be taken ae to who in sunvorted, that these people are the onea who don's% want to work with us; that the }#P hovea that 1% will be the ore vho will lead toserroy in Cubay that eros of the future will he sorething te whieh you the U.S. hag contributed by suprerting such clements. br, Mire corrented in further detail his views and again he tered of the ranner of uning funds to avoid being like the ostrich, "Everyone knove vhere the money is coming fror ani .o hava to be carefil of the form. Everyone doos rot know of you, but of where the help is coming from" We are the pulitices of the war against Castré," affirred lr. Fires Let atilitury rer function as chief of: staff as long as te rilitary action against Castro continues, but then the civil action must. be carricd out ly non-military ren,® ‘ He added that durdiy the softeniny-u action erainst Castre, ve rust take good care of the ranner in vhich th: cction is tsxen toa avoid exrosing the U.S, suv-ort; and that he considered that the colluteral, incependent grcuns were not safeguarding it; so w are losing the sow ag you (U.3, Agencies) deal with each. of thoas prours. Arc ¥e rust not lose, we rust win.
14-00000 fo teke hemiaee) “l3- I told Lr. Firo that I ws anxious to werk cut sone manner of linkirg these groupe vith Lr. Firo and the Council, without having to channel ' direction and funce through Or. Kiro, since these groupe are now funetlane : ing well under existing arrangerents. Dr. Mire e-id he would te rlessed to seet with ther outside of the Council, and they pay continue te function as ecllateral oryanizations independently; tut tliat they realize that they bave one: direction. Or. Fire adved treat like the Independent magistrates vith their attitude «-< they are iajuring the Council. De. Mire camented that he wanted the razisatrates to have an slecticu and select their leacer according to the resuits of a vote. He reiterated that all the ecileteral organisations punt orerate within the orbit uf tze. Couneily and tzat Le would be glad to discuss with them their opinions just as he as * grcfessor had dare with stuterte--cften tires resulting im excellent ifesa and viewpoints, Then I kacticned that I had read in one of our magazines 4 laucateryz item describing nis cerconstrated capabilities as a rediator between . political greuca and individuals. ~ .: br. Mire again returned to his bellef tint Cumis of all organizatioes should funnei through the Coune4] because every Cuban haa a sense of axel) that inclines bf: to go where he knova the money is dispensed; thet this 1s ead but true; aod that those whe are atill sutaide aad hope te get direct support ,jrthey “eww that the noney was here (in hie hands), would core running without urging. He then said that he had aeven hundred collars, more or lesa, Zor each organization's operating expenses. He concluded a by saying that te dida't wish to cperate without us (Agency) or without any of the Avency vaonle, but merely desired to pull tegether the diverse , rs groups and otrer activities, : a He then referred to hie conversations with Mr. Berle and General Taylor, and ris view expressed to them that in the April affair he felt that the Agezsey t2¢ functioned more or leas effectively - soretizes — their peonle kad teen "recgh", or "tough", but that he had no corplaint; that the lack of etr cover no doubt caused defeat. Vhen he had been querried by recerters and other on specific questions designed to pry secreta out of rig, he had replied, *I didn't see ther,* or einiliar evasions, and thus had endeavored to be loyal to use . He said his son had been certain that hig father vould be with the expediticnary force, and, im route to the Bay of Piga fror Guaterala the som had searched for hir. on he boats, and was distllussioned because his father wasn't there.
14-00000 olka Again he ecphasized his view that the stucents sent to Latin Arerican coumitries on propaganda sleeiona should be indoctrinated by ceople in the Ccuneil to prepare them for the cross exarining that they would undergo, and thereby prepare thes against trang and fooligh atatertnts; and to insure that no Batleta susporters ere sent out. He erphazieed that one of the flret questions asked of these provagamia erissuries would be ®hith what roney do you come here?” "shat Yankee organization is behind you." He added, "The peonle have to be voll prepered. to anewer; just ag I bad to wwerge a succesaion of penetrating questiona when T first vent inte exile in Argenting and could answer ther without hesitation because of a clean record, Again he came back to his urgurent that the collateral orvanisations should function through the Council = no€ "forgetting the Agency, but not being forjottan by the Agency.” I told Dr. Miro that 7 honed during the course of the week to have  nerlog of conversations im the course of Which certain decisions and solutions would te reeched thet would enable me te sit down with him the following veek and work ont sore details on propaganda and other ratters,. Sr. Mire then asked, "How best can the security of this nation be insured ~ the Agency dealing directly with those peonle or vorking with ther through kire?® Aud he exchasized that he vag concerned both with the security of Cuba and of the United States, and that these people (Cubans with whom the Arency ia dealing <irectly) at any mosent vhen they felt they were losing out or were not sufficiently paid = would ask for rore, and, being Cutans, right ba very indiserete; but that Lf they had to deal with Miro they gould be obligated to go to hig with their corplainte, He said thut just as a bee seeking ewects will go te any source, but if there la only cne sources it will go te that ones and that thus all grows .ust leok to the Council, : 4gnin Dr, Miro returned to his thesia that sooner or later there rust be war to overthrow Castro, and that Cutans and Arericans nust realise this; that aa 4 preliminary the Cubena must carry out sabotage, ste., but Just us blockades didn't overthrow Franco or Musgolini, reither vould they cause the fall of Cautroy further that if suborage was conducted withe out being a part of an overa:] plan of missions, the neople inside Cuba would come to react adversely to the sabotage and align therselves with Castros fe then expressed hia view that tire is teing sadly wasted in trying to briny the Latin drericen countries inte agreerent with the U.S, against Castre, because, untortunately, rary are ruled by dictators and they fear Concerted action against therselves, but if the U.S, attacka and destroys Castro they will aoplaud. drain he repeated thst the Punta del Este ~ agreerent might vell cause rany countries to say, "Thank you Fidel, and not, thank you Pr. Kennedy," . Dr. Miro emphasised that he vanted to collaborate vith us fully. Thea the conversation turned te the dissolution of the FRD by Varona, and Dr. Mire declared thet this ateo waa difficult for-Varona, to take because he a) “ee “ 2 woe
“s~ ! hat Leen ite aheef and in a high sosition and had thue subriitted t the Council, He declared his eateer. ror Varom, a very Lrusquo ran but very hemesuts He onid Vurona had declared with resmect to the Argentine doc.cents thst, "They are in Miami, [ don’t fool like sending ther te Aryentina bacause they don't belong te Arventinn. They telony to “the thiefsttat ie Castro. Argentina has ciploratic relotiona with Cuba and if it feele like it, will send the doewents to Cuba.® VYurcna declared in the SIP that the Arventin military ren had decoived him because, having stated that they didn't trust the Arent ine Yorelym Oifice, they nevertheless took to iryentine the three docutents that vero piven to . ther an: uzon arrival turned ther over to the Foreign Office, Yire added that Varona stated tiie clearly im the SIP reeting where two Argenting delerates wore crerent. ‘they said, "7 itrout rentioning na ee, tactur, Go you declare tiie Lefore the SIPT® *Yes, I declare it,” te replied, "ant they shut up. iro arded that Varons had declared Inst niyht, “Let then give us srs t+ finish off with Castro, tut giva ther te us) Whoever hag them, give ther. to us! Dr, Miro then ceolared, "Ve ere willing to diver bark, but ners ve era Just vlaying: ide and see’ ,” ( i he, Wire then referred to his view that Dario Ue les Averiens Should receive 4 srsil sutsidy; thet sovetimes it oublished articles anfavorahble tothe lid, but thet ugually, and it gubsldized, vould eliminate Then Ireturred to the subject of the bwlzet und concern hat gore on tee Cowell oayroil ripht alae te on HVE.) payroll. He replied thot ter Octocer ba would have thor awvear that they vere receiving no other 2: -ney an¢ rerarked that rary ara on the cayrcll, He enurerated the d4fferent sections ~ delegations in Latin Arerican counteles, each peraun (tvo oF three 4% rost in each country) race ived only erough to live crs without oversting funda, He sald eaci. chief of organization;in the Coune1] received $400, “whieh {es very little,# 1 ) . i He added that during the nast ponth with funda lett over, he had ser.t to Fexfen $3,°C0 veonuse s0°6 240 ne0nle had arrived jthere in need and hungrye He asid C.I.A. added with $5,000 una he had sent £2,000 because trey were Cutara. Further, that re had crovide.! euch organization with $700 for ite expenses cf iailiny, of fie a, cur, ctce, but thst tats wasn't @ fieed ar. He added that whatever veg left over he warted to ser te Cuba t those vho re fighting there. , He ceclared , "As fore they car reduce tha tuiget to the vininum vrovided that they send funds to Cubeg but ry -roblera rust be resolved, This rayroll was -rorised to re vhen I was race vrealiert of the Council, and Z didn't ernate it.# y aa { orn |
- Yaron rent ina, "Heeirn,® i qieemne omens on umetermenire nse ee srt i: iia a yetantsnteramentee che anal ater (olde | f quarries ‘ateut the exnenses of hs re ecrultzert avetlon, anc he eald be “ad told Pauls tw eliniante that ites sicce recruiting ig now dene elsc= eres tut the rildtary rereonne] in recmiiting should be rrouved in the rilitary eo that sere form of intelligence gener could be baintained te wrovhie informations He affirve¢ that his rilitery start sally consteted of three officers (Varelo, Leaaigre, Vonteapwio) tut thet they bad exrennoa of of flee, teanwortation, i sserctarial heln, As fer “is Soca} halfure aoction, he said this tad been established by °. 2.4. an bag necessiry for disrange ing vredleinga, tee, for Gulan ce tucees bere. Ra daclared U.at he nada’t touched any of the sanibew (inerited Sym FRD) exeest oversting excanses, In omisr to give hie a raryin of Ag.ds to uset a. foreseen urgent expanses. . We anid, "I “elu reuds to elininate sil that could! te olizinateds saturally ha wenae have to corault with roue® (apency) | Relative te the Naval section he sate te clanned ub elininate their expen allovw.rca tit ot the aeticn ites f, becsune he dee: » 1t essential for tatters suét, ag sending arrg to Cuba, since they catiot be sent by air, and that an affice le necessary sor them but ¢ their expenses rust be out off slowly. : i: Ag for the Fedlenl section wiieh bal leer created letore, ‘a sald oly two pee A529 (eaguaities) resatres ami that the/seetlun was to be eliminated, He reiterated that theaa sections had teen lerented by us lasency) and that they could only be eliinatal gradually. He aff trre4? thet thera wis Jeft for his use only sdr5 eleven or “trelte thougand dollars for catters gue’ zs atterterce at the SIP and that he felt igcemia affaira, ari guch clmor cropiceria aftairs, but (thet hed Leen be should heave rectered to hir the Nunis Jor ororaganda a@-icg through estre). | I agaured his that Jt vas certainly ?: ‘ended that the Propeyenda tretsaion ow function under hin as the resaganca section of the Cornell vand thet if bestre vse not co:siderec te te tsa e:der, that be should designate uvecre lat. He reclared thst testre vas in jkew York, hed talon! to Varun: sedtemiay, enc caked Varscan shat. he abgul’ de, to which i Niro ther asic he would ithe to mat sorte a-ueru dt as head of rreoagunds but that Conte would cot agree wiless oe toli hir to. Piro mentivned that the star? wrieh Fegtre b.c -as very cood but that Pestre was BO good tecause he wanted to anenc ths stole day. ot @ swineing pool. Se meatdoned are? del Cerro, Fernin Teizace, “ules jarto Rurbaud. He aaid ang~l del Cerro woul te a good ebie? 27 -ropaga: da, but that for tis *e would also like a geod adviser suc. «a Conte, wo really is no gon! excert to talks bat would like to be orealtent. iro eaid ernst e@ ofa. ee ratte eee soe Ann ete Ge mee SETAE ER noes inttntemeE eone se
ee ere . te returning to Kiant on sednesday after the Freas luncheon, .. Hurberto Medrano, a resorter, also Would ie ood to direct cropsganda | efforts. tle added Wat bestro, chic f of rropaganoa for the fik, wich no lenger exists, ia the one vio continuss recelvin,: the propar.rca funds ; fror. Peula, fie declared that he (Miro) didn't control these funds that _ he didn't have anything excent a bureaucracy. a I told idm that I ecreidered this probler of propagarda secticn and its ocarntors should le eurrpeted right away. Me udded that bea felt that Raity Swan nhould be pit unier the cropigazda section ef the Councils furtrer, that the oropararca section tad tu quit sucding print-d ratter ts tre Letin arerican e.urtries and instead vond a furmit to ase? country 85 tert they could le printed thera with the terra used in cach countrys in AccuntYply in Argontise etyley in Gracil, in tertugueses In - Parara, in the tapner of eeuking in basurag that such sropepssce rust te -4id fur. He offlrred. thet liuberto Medrano wa 4 reat recort-r and hard vcrker anc ouuld hazcle thio welly that Purtin Peinsdo woe a fine worker vio now is having «© struggle to live, but works well st srepayganda ratlers. . . an Azvein said that the propaganda funda should pasa throw: hia. control, and that I-weghw take this up u.on ry Poet. rn te naahington. Again he declared that he felt vlang ruat te rade for bin and the Geuneil % return to Cuba. I said this was a ratter Jor the future. Yq tereinated our raeting with my ataterent that it would protebly not le till the following week when I would return to Miani, after getting ratters resolved in sashington, He auid that he would probebly ; I added thet if 1t seered desirable for his: to come to kestingtor: on route to Miari, I would cull hirs that otherwise I would look forverd to aseing him in Miami. I seid I felt we had covered a lot of yround , and thanked him for giving re go ruech of cia time to our neeting. Again he reiterated thet he desired responaibility for all groupa- ; ard thet if he wasn't considered to be the right one, that he wes ready ard willing to resign. Wron this, we finished and J excorted hi. to the elaveter of the hotel, :