rs 2 Cd « a 2 re < ee ALG First Street, 5.6, Washington, 0.C, 20003 Mr. Hubbard. No. It was a complete fiasco. Senator Schweiker. The name there wouldn't pave been Charles Pack, was it? a Ae Mr. Hubbard, No, it was definitely a Polish name. Mr. Epstein. Are you avare of any assassination plans involving Castro that were run by the Army? Mr. Hubbard, No, personally Tvam not, Mr. Epstein. © Were you aware of any that were planned or attempted by anyeof the anti=Castro Cubans that you dealt with or had contact with;aapart from being facilitated by the Axrtoy? Mr. Hubbard.’ Well, that was through the second front of the Escambray that we came up with the, this guy, the air conditioning repairman. Now, they wanted to go ahead and do it. I said, well, we cannot help you, Mr. Epstein. Do you know whether they went ahead and tried? Mr. Hubbard, They couldn't.come-up with a suitable poison
3 < it a a & bal - S10 First Stieet, S.C, Washington, 6.c. 20003 he only occasion on hich the Cubans solicited your help or support on an assassination? Mr. Hubbard. On an assassination, yes. Senator Schweiker. If we were to request the personnel record of Darnell, where would we bese go Bbout it ws of the thing, beint discontinued? What would your recommendation be? Mr. Hubbard, I-would start at othe present Army ACSI's office and ask what happened to the old United States Army Field Activities Command? You see, the.intelligence organiza- tions changed names, and the last official designation was the United States Army Field Activities Command: and they were headquartered in the Hoffman Building. Senator Schweiker. The Noffman, N-o-f-f- -~ Mr. Hubbard. Right here in. Washington. Senator Schweiker. Now, in looking at that, how might it have been broken down, under what kind of a filing systent? I know you are just guessing. Mr. Hubbard.. No, becavse sources had. numbers. and alphabetical designation. Puerto Rico was DUP, the letter
ao , 2 & _« Oe © & B10 First Street, $-€., Wastiingion, D.C. 20003 Jgenator Schweiker. And the: DUP was the coding égaten for Mr. Hubbard. For the ‘puerto Rican station. Senator Schweiker. Anything else? Mr. dohnston. Yes. When. this one Cuban wanted to assassinate Castro and you told not to, did you then put him in contact w t] Mr. Hubbard, No. Mr. Johnston. Did you suggest that he contact Burns? Mr, Hubbard. No. I tried to keep Burns compartmented. Becaus e of his background, he was much’ more intelligence. See, the average intelligence source is pretty low level; let's face it, and Burns’ wasoone ofethe better educated, and IT kept him compartmented. «I was using him more against Haiti than I was against Cuba. He had access into Haiti. Senator Schweiker. What kind of job did Veciano do for you as you recollect? Was it good, bad Mr. Hubbard, Gir, Ionever had any dealings with him
BON ‘ care : : . “Senator Schweiker : might have’ been ; e through Darnell, really. Mr. Hubbard. No, 2 would say through our Miami station; ig Colonel Watlington, that was the commander, and you'd have te go that route to find out about Alpha 66. As I recall, the @arly days, Detachment A, Army, had contact with Veclana, and CIA assumed interest. They just took it over, lock, stock and barrel, and told Army 0 back off, Now, please, don't pin me down, buttthat's my understandin« of what happened, Me. Johnston. Were you ever contacted by Mrv Lucey of CTA asking for the individual you had contact with in a a @ & ® o & < = Puerto Rico? Mr. Hubbard. Possibly, when I returned there were numerous calls and trips te Washington from Hollabird for a oS a “oO Cc es ae cS Nad ih various reasons. Very possibly... The name does not ring a -bell. ® Mr. Johnston. Let me ask you one final question. Have you ever heard of a businessman named George DeMorenschildt in the Dominican Republic, oil interests? Mr. Hubbard. No. Mx. Johnston, Were either Darnell or Burns in any way inte the of] business in the Gulf? 410 First Sireet. 6.2. Washington, %.C. 20003 Mr. Hubbard, i, Darnell possibly through his position