HW 54756 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 7 18 19 - 20 21 23 24 25 . —! om A * on your contact in Paris? Te Sune 5 mA ~ t ~ ; - tar =, - 3 mr. Esoinosa Yes. ooréeno wrote me a letter one time @SKing me CO pul iy Nawe to a document, and ne wanted to get a Visa to come to tne States and ne wanted me to sconsor him and mae neeced two sponsors. And he wrote me 4a letter on a cacer, and I signed my name to the ssonsorshis, and that is the only time. Mr. Hornoecx. Did ne actually arrive, to your knowledze? mr. Espinosa. ho, they never @hnim 2 visa. OG o < Mr. norncoeck, Until the time tnat Cubela was arrested, did you have any information about him personally or abdout the particular plot person? Mr. Espinosa. wWothing whatsoever. In ny mind I tnougnt, well, probably he got wise to the whole thing and just drooped 0g it, oOecause some time elapsed be co b} ween tne time that I spoke to his people in Paris and until tne CIA and the tine he got caugnt in Cuda. ou nat he was cr Mr. torabeck. was your first knowledge arrested from some public source or froni a versonal source? Mr. Espinosa. Public source. wir. Hornbeck. Can you tell wnat tnat was? Mr. ESpinosa. It was 4 newspaper. Mr. Hornoeck, Did you recognize tne names of otner cersons arrested with Aim? Mr. spincsa.. I recognized the i} m@ wo [@) Wty cw ran 9) an) oO oO mM 3s io cr a) m + 4)) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, Docld:322746514 Page 79
1 was somesouy else arrested. And tne first tning fF read asout 2 it, there were four people L ct + + ray) n ct wD Cc rea) 3 Cc oa a rm ren) ea rt rus) 2 re) (@) i = ro) t-4 igint® ey , th bh 3 didn't know the others. 4 mr. adornbeck. I am sure then if you have the public 5 zccounts of tnat trial, you Know that Cuoele was not executed 6 and cid you find that a Strange event? 7 Mr. Espinosa. Yes and no. 8 Mr. Hornoeck. Can you tell us why “yes" and ‘no"? 9 “ir. espinosa. "Yes," because, to my knowledge, Castro 10 haa never commuted anyoody's ceath sentence in Cude yet, and 11 on the other nand, I knew he liked the guy very much. 12 Mr. Hornbeck. It was a personal relationship detween 13. Cubela and Castro? 14 Mr. Espinosa. Yes. whatever it was, love, hate, or the 15 faggots -- I don't know what it wes --. but they had a Ne 16 relationship, an especial + elationsnip setween them. 17 Mr. Hornbeck. Can you give us any examples of a) 1 2) oO om fe) ro) 9) bo 18 relationship between the two? 19 Mr. £ESpinosa. well, I rememoer one time when Solando ry lei 20 pulled a gun on Castro in front of his bodyguards and iC 21 everything and called nim every name in the book, and of 22 course nooody moved or said anything, but I thought when this ® 23 is over, ne is going to go to the can forever, and nothing ° 24 nappened to nin. 25 Mr. Hornoeck. I take it this is sometime still in 1959? ; 2 REPOS PANY, INC, HW 54756 DoclId:32246514 Page 80 ALDERSON REPORTING COMP Ai c
10 11 12 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 24 25 AW 54756 Docld:32246514 Page 61 13: rm. Esoinosa. Tnis was et that time, and ne just cut his arm cn nim and he said “You have such 2 téescer® end talked ni Out of everything. Wr. Horabeck. woulda you describe Cusela.as an individual having 5 very quick temper or very emotional person? Mr. gspinosa. Yes, extrenely. Mr. Hornbeck. Would you ¢escribe him as unstable? Mr. Esoinosa. Yes. Mr. Hornbeck. Have you-cirectly or indirectly received any information adout Cubcela since the time that ha was sent to prison in Cuba? Mr. Espinosa. Ho. ‘Mr. Hornbeck. Bo you nave any information whether or not me is still alive or anything? Mr. Espinosa. Yes. what I hear is that he is alive end a) cr 1) (@) ne is working as a doctor and he is not having such mr. foraceck. How would you on o cr Mr. ESpinosa. s3ecause I can't remember now, I think I aad tnis from Trasancos in Paris, out there is some kind of -- I don't know if ne was 2 diplomat or if he is a Frencn oO ry o >) engineer wno is working in some kind oject in Cuda or was working in some kind of a project in Cud 8) cr ‘ T 1s bh , and £ Know tha tais person knew Cutbela'’s mother and somenow news of him has ‘ ALDEASON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Domne Rae RAR ARERR A PRIA ORE RIRA RR ORARAN EE CRAM HO OAR AR
cy 1 gone wacx end fortn to Euroce from Cuba. Ma inning was very tougn, and then ne is 3 worki ban) if 43S @ doctor ena ne is not navine 4 alive and he is in prison. 5 Mr. Hornoecx. were you told of the method by which 6 Cubela was sugposed to assassinate Castro? 7 hr. Espinosa. No. I neard the story about the rifle and 8 tne telescopic site, and I had a story that he had met Artime, 9 woich of course I thought was Stupid of nim, and I nad @ story 10 that ae rtvime nad promised nim some boats through tne CIA to 11 him out. 12 T repeat to you today what I said the other day, the 13 whole thing doesn't make sense to me. &nd on one hand I near 14 this, and of course it is very difficult to judge something 1S when you are being told by third parties, . ee nd on the one anc () t 16 [ near that tnere is going to be an insurrection, let others 7 call it that way, or a military uprising of certain ceople in 18 the country, and on the cther hand I hear that Cubela is 4 goings 19 to shoot the guy. And if you are going to shoot the guy and 20 there is going to be en insurrection, why do you need some 21 boats to take you out? 22 Gncee you do tnat you have to stay in and see it through. -@ 23. And you follow me, if there-is going to be an insurrection and | 24 you are going to tbe a leader, now the nell are you going to 25 snoot tne guy and tanks are going through the streets and ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC, HW 54756 Docld:32746514 Page 82 LO ~
10 11 12 13 14 1 16 17 18 19 20 21 24: 25 HW 54756 DoclId: 32246514 (or) h you are going moer of taings tnav IT tried to be very logical adout, and I try to be a very logical verson 2li of more logical and I am objective about things. I don't understand it. when you fneard these stories Mr. riorndDeck, oeing involved, or a WaS the source of that information? Mr. Espinosa. This I heard from focreno. Mr. odornbeck. Was tnis during the same discussions in Paris before Hew York? Mr. Espinosa. Yes. Mr. Hornbeck. Dida Rubreno know Artime, to your KnNOWwLedge? Mr. Espinosa. I con't know. I think. maybe ne was with Rolando when he had the meeting with Artime;. mayoe, cut I ar not sure. Sut I Know they had never been friends before. Mr. Hornbeck. Are you saying your information from Rupreno was that Artine met in Madrid with Cudele? Mr. Espinosa. I can't remember if it was Madrid, but positively that ne had met Cuoele. Mr. Hornoeck. was your information tnat the CIA hed arranged tnis meeting, or did you nave any knowledge of the CIA at thnat-time? Page 83 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC,