JFK Assassination System Date: Identification Form 6/24/201 Agency Information Peleased under the John AGENCY: ARMY Kennedy RECORD NUMBER:  198-10007-10101 Assassination Records ollection éct of 1992 RECORD SERIES: CALIFANO PAPERS (44 Use 2107 Note). ase#: NU 54214 Date: AGENCY FILE NUMBER : poo tineoi Document Information ORIGINATOR: OSD FROM: TO: TITLE: MCNAMARA TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE DATE: 00/00/0000 PAGES: 165 SUBJECTS : COMMUNIST SUBVERSION - LATIN AMERICA CUBA VIETNAM USSR NAVAL POWER DOCUMENT TYPE: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : CURRENT STATUS : DATE OF LAST REVIEW : OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : v9.1 HW 542714 DBocld: 324274094 Secret IC Redact 08/12/1998 Califano Papers, Box 1, Folder 10. Taylor and McNamara testimony before the Senate; Edwin M. Martin's "Statement on Subversion in Latin America." JFK Kew ew 20 13526 Rowe af the Army E 36 cero Declassify Exclude Authority, NO STATE OBJECTION TO DEG ASSIFICATION BY DATE aI4L/¢ Page 1
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