Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page ll Azcue: Ornesto Miler? A Texan maybe? Blakey: No. | , , a. Azcue: A very tall man who had been a friend of mine before in the Spanish War? A member of the Lincoln Brigade? Blakey: No, this would have been a friend of the | Durans. Azcue: Yes, they had many friends. It was a very known, family--Durans family. Known as progressive people. Blakey: Emilio Carbiedo? Azcue: Emilio Carbiedo? He's a Mexican writer, is that so? Blakey: Would he have been at parties at the Durans? Azcue: I never saw him there. I never saw him in parties but it is likely that he visited the Durans' family because he was a young man with good relations with us and he was known in Cuba too. Blakey: How about Elena Guerro DePaz? ‘ Azcue: Yes, she was a friend of mine. yo? Blakey: You must pardon my pronuticiation of Spanish. Interpreter: I should understand you but I don't know. oe Azcue: She is a Mexican writer too. A very good writer.
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 12 Also the wife of ? Paz. One of the best modern poets Mexico has had. And related to Horatio Duran -- to Silvia's husband. Blakey: She would have been a friend then both of yours and the Durans? Azcue: Yes she was. Blakey: Did you see her often? Azcue: This gets complicated, I was a'very good friend of the painter Guerro Galvan--married to the sister of Elena Guerro. He was my friend. He used to come to my house. We used to have dinner together or I used to go to his house ' and we had dinner there. Then at his house it was that I met Elena Guerro. A very interesting woman and very cult. Blakey: Did you know her well? Azcue: We met -- two or three times a year we used en: to meet. It's not that we were so intimate with each other, it's just that we met once in a while. \ Blakey: Was she emotionaly stable? Azcue: Well she is the best woman writer that I have met and I have read. . Blakey: Did she have what might have been called a vivid imagination about things rather than about writings?
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 13 Azcue: I didn't know her so well, but I met her as a stable women and her writings, you don't find that political ? but rather her living with an excellent knowledge of Spanish. Blakey: If.she told you a story about something that happened would you be apt to believe it? Azcue: , I think so. Blakey: Did she have a reputation for telling stories that were not true? Azcue: I don't think so. Blakey: You would describe her then as a responsible woman? “Azcue: I think so, maybe a very mature lady. Blakey: And if she told you something of a very serious character, you tendency would be to credit it as true? Azcue: Yes, maybe. Maybe. Blakey: Did you ever hear that Lee Harvey Oswald had attended a party at the Durans in which any of these other people had been present? ; Azcue: Lee Harvey Oswald absoultely disappeared from 7 our minds at the moment tin which he left the Consulate for the last time. Hundreds of people used to come to the Consulate. He was
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 14 one. He was just one of them. Lee Harvey Oswald came back again to our minds’ when he was quoted by the newspapers. May I smoke? Blakey: Surely. You must understand that Lee Harvey Oswald has become a subject of attention in many peoples mind because of his possible . involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy and many people now say things about him that are not always true and are very. difficult to verify. Azcue: ? Blakey: - To be able to tell a story about him, we have found during the course of our investigation, is something that many people like to do. And not all of the stories are true. What we are trying to do is to find out what is true. Did you know Consuella Esperon? Azcue: Yes I did. She was a secretary for thirty years during all the governments and all the administrations Blakey: Do you know or have you ever heard that she may have been present at a party in which Lee Harvey Oswald was? es “ Azcue: — She did not have parties. She was an old lady and she wanted to guarentee the years of her life were filled. She had to work with a ecegperres
Interview: Page 15 Blakey: Azcue: Blakey: Azcue: Blakey: Azcue: Blakey: Azcue: Blakey: Azcue: Eusebio Azcue Lopez retirement that we could provide for her. How old would she have been in 1963? Over sixty, very likely. Mexican--very tall. You recall that last time you indicated that you felt that you might be able to identify the individual that identified himself as Lee Harvey Oswald. I think so. Although did not appear to be the one who you saw on TV that Jack Ruby had killed. Yes, I did. Let me show you what has been marked as JFK Document #007549 and ask you to take a look at it. We might take a break now for five minutes or so while you do look at it. Thank you very much . We are back on.the record now and it has been twenty-five minutes. Are you able to identify any of the phogographs in the book. Yes I have identified some but I have observed , oe something is very curious. These pictures, most of them I may identify just the background of f oc aesA
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 16 the pictures. 2 oe that I was told was in the front of the - ?. as well as the bars. In defense it can be seen that in most of these pictures that have been taken in our Embassy or to our Embassy front to’ the Embassy or from someplace in front across by the Embassy. Blakey: Perhaps. by a wandering photographer. Azcue: There are many faces her which is very likely that I saw sometime. Some others I identified because I remember them because they are a friend of mine. But all of them have been taken at the Embassy and it very curious that the gentlemen who came to the Chanchery is not ? - Nor the man who was shot dead in Dallas it doesn't come here. None of the two comes in this picture. The one who took these pictures it is a feeling he took one of the two. The one who came to the Chanchery. I see none yoo neither Lee Harvey Oswald who was shot down by Jack Ruby who came to the Chancery. So ¢f
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 17 there are many pictures here. I may identify many of them, friends of mine and some. others are just faces I have seen someplace at the Embassy or the Consulate. But not of them correspond to the Lee Harvey Oswald who came to the Consulate nor from the Lee Harvey Oswald who was shot to death. That's sounds curious to me. That something ? in ‘foreign service like this one does not have the picture of the person who visited the Chancellor that day. Here I have a list of the ones I may identify. Blakey: Could you give us the ones you can identify? You identified Number 4? \ Azcue: Yes I did. Mirabol. The Chancellor that replaced me. Blakey: ‘And you identified number. 34? Azcue: Rolando Estabio from our Commercial Delegation in Mexico City. Blakey: And you identified number 81? Azcue: He has a mode of strangeness which I recall y, a from people who have beeti to the Embassy. but if I see them in the streetsr-if I ca come across with them in the street I wouldn't say hello. 61, too, you may add, it is
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 18 Rolando Estabio again. 81 is Mr. Won $ He is an engineer who studied in Mexico and he was at that time studying there in Mexico. He was following a post-graduate. course. Blakey: Number 85. Azcue: This looks like Louisa Calderon, I'm not sure. What was characteristic of Louisa Calderon was the blue eyes, very blue eyes and very black hair. The picture--I wouldn't be so sure but it looks like Louisa Calderon. Blakey: How long did she work at the Embassy? Azcue: She went there approximately in June '63. So she had been there only a few months at that time. Blakey: Do you know how long she stayed at the Embassy after you left? Azcue: When I came back to Cuba she was here already. So she has been there very few months. Blakey: When did she come back to Cuba? \ Azcue: I don't know. I can't tell you accurately. yoo But she came very soon because when I came back in November--On November 22 I arrived here and very soon after I arrived I met her at the theatre. She lived very close to the theatre.
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 19 Blakey: Do you know why she came back to Cuba? Azcue: Well you know in the kind of-positions | in which we worked in the Embassy it is very ? and the Commercial Delegations, they just move you from one place to the other. Blakey: Was there any special reason for bringing her back? Azcue: No special reason because she just came to work here. Blakey: Would her having been brought back been related any in any way to the aftermath of the assassina- tion? | Azcue: It was even before that. I gave on the 22nd that she was already here. Yes I came on the 18th and she was already here. Blakey: You identified Number 101 as identical to Number 101, 103, 105, 107. Azcue: Yes all of them are the same person. It's al Dr. A very well known Doctor in Cuba and he \ was a writer too and he used to go to the Cousular very often because he ad a son studying architecture in Mexico. So the only motive for Be his visit to Mexico was to visit his son and
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 20 ! to bring him back in order to follow up his career because there they finished the class of November in Mexico. Blakey: You identified Number 115. Azcue: Albero, he was from our cultural service--a painter. Blakey: You also identified Number 157. Azcue: No. 120? Blakey: Which one--I'm sorry. While you are there | tell us about 120. Azcue: She was the assistant to our Counsellor in Vera Cruz. She used to come to the Embassy sometime. And the picture there it is taken at the Embassy. That's all of them. It's the same one without glasses. Number 157 and and 150, I think it is the same person. Blakey: And who is it? Azcue: I don't remember the name, he was a very young man, but he was the Assistant of our Counsulate in Vera Cruz. | ‘ Blakey: Mr. Azcue, let me direct your attention back yoo to Number 159. Have you” ever seen that individual?
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 21 Azcue: It looks like a very old man. He looks Cuban. His face looks to be that of. a counterrevolutionary. ? and dishonest. Yes, he has that characteristic face. Blakey: Have you seen him before? Azcue: It seems to me that I have seen him before. I don't know why, he looks familiar to me. But I can't place him. Blakey: The drawing looks familiar to you or the | person drawn looks familiar to you? Azcue: The expression on the face. His hair, the sight or the way he looks. Any other one? Blakey: Would you look at ‘Numbers 26 and 27, Azcue: Twenty-six looks like a young American, typically american. Blakey: Have you ever seen him before? Azcue: Typical American boy. Whenever I see his picture, I would say it was a typical American. His picture has been taken at the Embassy. Blakey: Have you ever seen that individual or one who \ looks like him at... Azcue: No. I just say it because it ié the typical face of an American. He looks just like a young American--like a young American student. Seger
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 22 Blakey: Is it possible that that person could have ever been with Silvia Duran?- 7 _ Azcue: This picture has been taken at the Consulate. The background of the picture is what we call the Jose Latif quarters where we used to honor Jose Latif at the Embassy. Identified because of these round kind of Barcano stone. Blakey: _ Let me direct your attention to ? Have you ever seen Number 2, 66? Azcue: I don't recognize him. Blakey: Have you ever seen Number 2, 43, 44, 45, 46? . Azcue: ? (tape turns over) Blakey: Have you ever seen Number 213? Azcue: Maybe in something, but I don't really know, I have not met this person. Blakey: Can you recognize any of the individuals in Number 275? Azcue: The Ambassador, Tomas Mann. Blakey: And how about the gentlemen on Mr. Mann's left? ‘ Azcue:. That face looks familiar to me like the one of Tomas Mann which is the one z have seen in pictures. I don't think I know him personally. Blakey: Do you recognize the gentleman on Mr. Mann's right?
Interview: Eusebio Azcue Lopez Page 23 Azcue: I recognize none of the two. The ? is that you recognize only a face of the people that you have seen more often. Blakey: Let me return for a moment to Maria Teresa Proenza. She was recalled from Mexico City to Cuba in December, is that correct? Azcue: . I don't know. When I came she stayed there. Blakey: Have you ever seen her since you returned from Mexico City? Azcue: I saw her just a month ago in the National Library where she is working now. She is very old. Blakey: Do you know why she came back to Cuba? 'Azcue: No, no I don't. ? No, I have no questions of’ Mr. Azcue. I think you have asked the ones we have. Blakey: Mr. Azcue I would like to thank you for your graciousness in coming here today. Azcue: . It's a pleasure. Blakey: Your testimony has been very helpful. ‘ Azcue: I hope so. . yo Blakey: And it has clarified a number of points that troubled us. Let me raise one additional thing
Interview: Page 24 Azcue: Eusebio Azcue Lopez with you. YOur testimony that the individual who came to the Consulate and at the time of the Oswald visa application was signed may not have been the Lee Harvey Oswald who was killed by Jack Ruby is obviously very important. We have taken your testimony in the form of a recording. The Committee would also like to extend you a invitation to come to the United States and testify publicly ‘before the Committee. We recognize obviously that the details of such a trip would have to be worked out between your government and ours, but nevertheless we would like to formally extend you that invitation. The Committee would pay your transportation and travel expenses while in the United States and you would of course have all of the immunities that would attach to a witness appearing before a Congressional Committee. And you would have the protection of the Government of the United States. That protection sounds very poor to me. ra I am very grateful for tHat 2 but of course our government would be the one
Mirabal Interview Page 2. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Alfredo Mirabal Diaz. Would you state your date and place of birth? I was born in Havana on August ll, 1923. Are you presently employed? Yes, I am, Where? In a factory of paintings. Where were you employed in September of 1963? In the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Where you were physically located? At the Department of the Chauncery of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And where were you stationed? In Mexico City. Mr. Mirabal, on April 1, 1978 Mr. Eusebio Azcue prepared a drawing for us of the Consulate in Mexico City. Let me show you what's been previously marked as Azcue #1. Does that appear to be an accurate drawing of the Consulate? Yes. I wonder if you could explain for me a couple of things. Looking at the drawing from the bottom up, the bottom being what is marked Azcue #1, would you tell me the name of the street that runs--would you tell me which direction is north and which di- rection is south? If you remember.
Mirabal Interview Page 3. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: It's not easy for me but now I think it was that way, upside down. No, I'm sorry, it is like you presented it to me first. The top of the drawing would be north? And the bottom would be south? Yes, I think, because the entrance to the Embassy would be up here. But I'm not sure of that. I mean at present I'm not quite sure. Would you tell me the name of the! street then that runs east and west? I think that one was Francisco-Marques Street. The street that runs north-south, is that Francisco- Marques? I don't remember the name of the other street. I can't remember because we always gave the address, the Embassy's address, which was Francisco-Marques and it was a very wide avenue. Would you tell me in your own words how you would gain entrance to the Consulate? By this door. Was this an iron gate or steel gate or--? oe , _This was walls. ae How high were the walls? There was another floor up above the walls. If I'm not wrong in my memory, as I recall, these
Mirabal Interview Page 4. walls here accounted for all the buildings which were there-=two story buildings. It was not ex- actly a wall to separate us from the street but rather other buildings. Blakey: Were these gates normally closed? Mirabal: This was a wooden door, a wooden gate. Actually, I never came in this way, on very few occasions, then I don't have an accurate idea of how the out- side of the building looked. | ‘Blakey: Would people who came for visas come through the wooden doors? Mirabal: Yes. And here there Was a living room and here there would be the secretary. And this would be the staircase that would lead to the second floor. Blakey: When you came in through the wooden door, did the wooden door--did it open into a courtyard or did it open into a living room? Mirabal: No, no. This was-a living room and here there was a laundry, a pantry. This was the courtyard. There was a door around here and you go to the courtyard. That room did not have a door. yo Blakey: What were. the hours that thé Consulate was open? Mirabal: For the public it was open at ten in the morning and close at two in the afternoon. Blakey: What days of the week were these hours observed? ee ee oad
Mirabal Interview Page 5. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: From Monday to Priday. Was the Consulate open on Saturdays? I. don't think so, I don't think so. Not on Satur- day for the public. We used to work, but internally. But it was not open to the public? No. | From two to four, was that vour lunch hour? Yes, from two to four. Did you return after lunch to continue working in the afternoon? Yes, from.four to six. From four to six you worked, but the Consulate was not open at that time. It was not open to the public. And we used to work also from eight to ten in the morning but it was not open to the public at that.time. Did everyone leave around six in the evening? Yes, and there there were two people working, be- cause the janitor worked at the Embassy , too. Were there ever occasions when either you or other people connected with the Consulate/stayed after six? Yes, it could be one of those days at the end of the month but it was not a common practice.
Mirabal Interview Mirabal: Page 6. Blakey: Who worked in the. Consulate office? Mirabal: The secretary and me. Blakey: What was her name? Mirabal: Sylvia Duran. Blakey: . In September of 1963 was there anyone else in the office besides yourself and Sylvia Duran? Mirabal: Eusebio Azcue. I took his office but at that time he was still helping me to get familiar with the working of the office. So he, stayed there for some time assisting me. Blakey: Did the two of you share the same office? Mirabal: Yes, we did because it was a large room, but he was not there permanently. He just came and left-- He spent some hours there. If he was needed he . would stay longer. Blakey: When did you arrive in Mexico to replace Mr. Azcue? Mirabal: On September the second. Blakey: When did he leave to return to Cuba? Mirabal: IT don't remember. _ Interpreter: (He misunderstood the question.) Mirabal: Some days past after I arrived in Mexico City, maybe a month, over a month, two mortthé . Blakey: Was it prior to the assassination of President Ken- tps nedy? I think so.
Mirabal Interview Page 7. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: But after the visit of Lee Harvey Oswald to the Consulate? on Yes, it was afterwards. Was Mr. Azcue normally in the Consulate during this period in September from the hours that we talked about, roughly eight to seven? Well, yes. He used to go in the morning to see if I needed him. Every day he went.to the office. I take it then that you were. familiar with the pro- cedures that were normally followed in the issuance of visas. Is that correct? Yes, I was. And either you or Mr. Azcue processed most visas Is that correct? There was a moment at which I took full responsi- bility for the Consulate. Signing all the documents, and from that moment on he didn't sign any more. I used to sign them myself—- though he was still there in order to assist me with the proceedings. Was there any circumstance in which a security officer associated with the Consulate would get involved with a visa application? | Not that I know. The visas were handled by me from the point of view of the official procedures and in special, in very special cases the Ambassador
Mirabal Interview Page 8. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: would take responsibility for that. Did you have any instructions to bring to the security officer's attention anything that might occur through the course of a visa application? Those instructions I had regarding the Ambassador, I mean to go to the Ambassador directly, to con- sult with the Ambassador because they -- they only make all the arrangements for the visa. Sometimes we had cases which had to be solved by the Ambassador himself. For instance, Cuba. people who came very often to Cuba, then the Ambassador knew about that situation and they did not have to go through this application process. But that had to. be authorized by the Ambassador himself, and nobody else. Were there any circumstances in which you would draw the attention of a security officer associated with the Embassy to the visa application? That is as opposed to drawing it to the attention of the Ambassador? The problem is that I've never harl yew, froma security officer attached to the Embassy for these cases. All my relations were with the Ambassador.
Mirabal Interview Page 9. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: To your knowledge then, no security officers were attached to the Embassy? _ , Se Not that I know. Let me draw your attention then to that latter part of September of 1963. Were you at the Consulate Office when Lee Harvey Oswald visited and attempted to acquire a visa? Yes, I was present. What day did he first come? I have the idea that he went two days. It seems to me that he visited the Consulate on two occasions. Now, when was it? The first one I don't remember; the second one I think was the one at the end of September. The day which he signed the application. Let me, let me show you a calendar for 1963, and direct your attention to September. The Cuban Government has previously furnished the Committee with a copy of an-application for a visa. Number 779, that indicates that an application was filled out on September 27th, which according to the calen- dar would have been a Friday. Does that information —— refresh your recollection as to when Mr.. Oswald would have first come to the Consulate? Of course, a long time has passed. In addition to that, I was not the one who took charge of the
Mirabal Interview Page 10. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirahal: Blakey: Mirabal: visitors. Rather, it would be the secretary who was in charge of receiving the visitors. I would only sign the applications and the documents I had to sign. . Did you sign the application for Mr. Oswald the first time he came, or the second time he came? I don't remember. I don't remember as to be able to give you an accurate answer. I have in my recollection that it was the second time. That would mean the first time he visited would have been a Thursday, the 26th. Is that correct? I cannot tell you accurately. | And then the second time he visited would have been on a Friday the 27th when he filled out the formal application? Yes, I do remember that there-was a discussion. There was an argument on the two occasions that he came. 7 Was there an argument on both occasions that he came? Yes, with Azcue. Were you present during both, discus$ions that he came? Well, present in the building but that discussion was, that argument took place where the secretary ,
Mirabal Interview Page ll. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: was. When I heard the people talking loudly, of course, I just went and looked. But I was not present at the argument, exactly, when it took place. > Do you recall seeing Lee Harvey Oswald? Yes, in that way, because I just went to the door and took a little peak as I heard the loud voices. Would you describe him as you remember him? If I describe him now I could be influenced by the pictures I have seen of him. I do not have a clear cut image of him at that time. Could you tell me about how old he was? About thirty years. Could you tell me what kind of build he had? Was he slight, muscular? He was rather light, not very broad-shouldered but rather light and narrow build. I think the head was not a kind of a round head, but rather narrow. And the man was rather small. What color hair did he have? I would say light brown. Do you recall the color of his eyes? oe No. I didn't see them. a What do you recall of his complexion? I saw him. It came to my attention when I heard
Mirabal Interview Page 13. Blakey: Mirabal:' . Blakey: Mirabal: women take more notice of that kind of thing. Did you have any subsequent discussions with Mr. Azcue about the nature of the argument that you had? No. Did he ever tell you what Lee Harvey Oswald had said to him? Yes. At the moment he told me. At the moment of the argument I remember that Oswald showed a Communist Party card and another card of American association. It's written down in the note, a card of the Fair Play for Cuba Association. Then Azcue took it to my desk and showed it to me. Displayed in front of me. So I had no instructions of anything of that sort, so I told Azcue to take it away but it caught my attention from the first discussion that took place. Two things: first, the demanding and angry way in which he said that he wanted a visa in. any case, that he was being persecuted, that he had no money to keep himself in Mexico and that he needed to travel a to Cuba urgently. That he said it in a way that is not a humble way of asking for it but rather demanding. That seemed to me very rare, it was strange; it seemed to me like a.
Mirabal Interview Page 14. Blakey: kind of a provocation. And later the display of the Communist Party card and the other card. That time I told Azcue no, give all pack to him. And he probably was like any other person. And that Comrade Azcue Knew too. So there was no difference, no argument between Azcue and me about that. The only solution was to have it, to have him sent to the Ambassador, for the Ambassador to make a--a decision about that, be- cause the Ambassador could have given him the visa as a political matter. But the way he de- manded it, the way he projected himself was so strange, that we just applied the rules. Then he also said that his wife was a Soviet citizen, asa way to identify himself. Then I called the Consul, the Soviet Consul. I consulted him about the case, if he knew anything about that case. So I was told that he had been at the Soviet Embassy also and requested a visa but they had followed the procedures and forwarded it to Moscow but that would take time. Let me return to that in a moment,”“Mr% Mirabal, and let me ask you one other thing about the dis- cussion that Mr. Azcue had with Mr.’ Oswald. What
‘% Mirabal Interview Page 15. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: I'd like to do is to read you a passage from at book written by a man named Daniel Shorr. The name of the book is "Clearing the Air." It was published in 1977. By reading it, you should not think that I necessarily credit as true. What I'd like to do is ask you as a person who was present in Mexico City to comment on the in- formation that it contains. And I'm quoting now from page 177. "Oswald had come to the Consulate, the Cuban Consulate twice, each time for about fif- teen minutes." (This is now a quote attri- buted to Premier Castro.) "The first time I was told he wanted to work for us. He was asked to explain but he wouldn't. He wouldn't go into details. The second. time he said he wanted to 'free Cuba from Ameri- can Imperialism.' Then he said something like, "Someone ought to shot that President Kennedy." Then Oswald said, and this is exactly how it was reported to me, "Maybe I'll try to do it." Do you recall anything like these quotes attributed to Lee Harvey Oswald having occurred in the Embassy? The Consulate I mean? Absolutely not. Did vou have discussions with Sylvia Duran about what Oswald said? so Not at that time. She was just there and while Azcue and me were talking she was jist there listen- ing. We just exchanged some words, we can not say it was conversation.
Mirabal Interview Page 16. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Did she ever tell you anything Like the threats that are attributed to Oswald? . No, she never did. Did you ever have any discussions with Mr. Azcue Since both of your return to Cuba about his feel- ing that the person who was present at the Consulate may not have been the same Lee Harvey Oswald who was killed in Dallas? I don't remember. After Azcue came back and then I returned too, I met him only once and now yesterday I saw him on his way out here. So you've never discussed with him his feeling that there might have been two Oswalds? No. Does your memory of the man who was in the Con- sulate square with the same person you know to have been, from seeing him in the newspapers, killed in Dallas? _. Well, when the first pictures came in the news- papers, the following day after the assassination, there was not even on the part of Sylvia Duran or on my part anything that told us that it was not the same person. We did not enter into a dis- fe cussion whether it was the same person or not, we
gE Mirabal Interview Page 17. Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey:. Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: Blakey: Mirabal: did not make that decision. We never thought--the impression we got when we saw the pictures was that it was the same person. And we didn't start to think about it | I don't remember having talkea about that. Let me go back to where you were before I inter- rupted you. You indicated that Lee Harvey Oswald had come in, probably on a Thursday and asked for an application. And then someone then called the Russian Consulate. Can you recall who it was that called? I did. Your memory is that you called personally? On the first occasion, no. On the second occa- sion, when I wrote the note, was that I phoned the Soviet Consulate. You did it personally? Yes, I did. It was not done by Sylvia Duran? If she did.it, I don't know. I did it myself. With whom did you speak at fhe soviet Embassy? With the Consul or the Deputy Consul. fo Can you recall his name? No I don't. Cw