AGENCY INFORMATION Released under the John F. ennedy Assassination Records Ollection Act of 1992 [44 Usc e107 Ware) . Case: NW 54046 AGENCY: FBI Pate: 08-23-2017 RECORD NUMBER: — 124-10054-10414 RECORD SERIES: HO AGENCY FILE NUMBER:  62-109060-5483 DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR: CITIZEN FROM: TITLE: DATE: 06/21/1967 PAGES: 10 SUBJECT: | GARRISON, JIM INVESTIGATION, POLYGRAPH DOCUMENT TYPE: PAPER. TEXTUAL DOCUMENT ORIGINAL Unclassified NEW REVIEW _DATE: 11/06/1998 UPDATE DATE: 01/19/2001 STATUS _ Redact RESTRICTIONS: JFK Act 6 (4) COMMENTS: HW 54046 Docld:32136897 Page 1
. , : . ; ae - , ‘ : } . ‘ a ’ : . . . Segre 23 “. . . ® . . as a, . . . “oy a , : . . , # 9816 - 67 June 21, 1967 ' CONFIGENTIAL Lex’ Hawkins, -. i i Attorney at Law 636-842 Fifth Avenue es Moines, lowa eer eer et ret err A aft I RY Se your request, LILLIE MAF cetection of deception technique. (PROCEDURE: DAN IrwG ote Ys Henelel hn Newel). fpeneere polygraph procedure was exercised throughout this\examination. 7 Lilie Mae (Samdea)? RUIN “Ta Same Rober Ervin Subject was examined in this office on June 19, 1967. She was given a Relevant a Irrelevant typse examination for the purpose of ascertaining if she possessed | RESULTS: any knowledge of an alleged roecting in Dave Ferrie's home wherein there was | verbal intercourse relating to a plot to assassinate the late John F. Kennedy. . ee During the pre-test interview, the Subject stated that she was born Lillie Mae ra at Fr a + are . . 4 ® ™. 3 VT poifett on Uctober 22, 1944, in Lucedale, Mississippi. She stated that her real re A FRR * a | aR eects, S at Capa nF . . . \\ nother died when her younger sister was born and that’she was raised by one of per father's cougins,/ Jamas’Nioitfett, and his wile Ethel. She reierredtothese | gq, | people as her sarents. She stated that she was raised ncar-Mobile,-Alabainas~—————" : . - « anage ae —_ . ~ She said that she does not know whether or not Jarnes and Ethel Moffett ever acopted her. . a> G Subject stated that she is presently married to daroltbke Maines, aged 38 years. She said that he docs not have a regular job and works out ofan “emosloyment - | Office’ in Gmaha, Nebraska, as a truck driver and as a furniture mover. oe | { 1 | { | | 3 The Subject stated that ever since she wes old enough to understand and remember, her "mother" constantly told her that her older sister Gertrude, who lived in New ' Orleans, Louiaiana, was "a tramp and no good." She stated that these statements COPIES DESTROYED yo 62. 169060-— ERO 2 A A yn 1 51973: ENCLOSURE | Of HW 54046 Docld:32136897 Page 2?
. ‘ a aN. . & ~ ‘H Page2  ~ Mr.. Hawkins | June 21, 1967 . RE: Lillic Mae McMaines RESULTS (cont'd): finally caused her to run away from home in 1962 and proceed te New Orleans to locate her sister Gertrude. She said that she just had to find out if her sister was really "bad." During six hours of interview ang interrogation, the Subject gave the following : niorimation regarding her stay in New Orleans, her returnto iiobilc, Alabama, en on to San Bernadino, California, then back to New Orleans, then to Omaha, Nebraska, and linally to Des Moines, Iowa. Jubject stated that when she first went to New Crleans she decided to use the’ name Samira Moffett. She explains that she had been in New Crieons tor < app prone imately three weeks before her sister perimitted her to go out "on the town" by erself. She sald that the iirst night she went cut alone she met Perry Kusso. | L@ he aid that the meeting occurred about 10: 30 Ps ag she was walking down rt a Timiny were yalso walking along Pourt 30D Street. She “related that‘as they leit s ion the street, ~Timiny winked at her and she smiled. She continued that theyfeil stopped on the : ; : ; \ x sidewalk and talked. She said that during this conversalion, Herry Russo volun- | fess dto drive her home. Ceoree " Lot: | Bhe continued that ‘she, Perry Russo, hetty, Ken and Timmy all got into Perry's | car and proceeded to drive toward her sister's home where she was staying but | they stopped on the way ior coifce and gasoline. She said that Perry Russo asked “her if she would go to school with him the following morning and she replied to him \\ fat she would go with him provided her sister would permit her to do 390. ‘f She continued that Perry Russo stopped by the house the following morning but her. if ister would not permit her to go with nig \put her ter sid agree that she couid attend a party that was being given for } cenfttiak t at night. ° te Subject stated that that party was held at a place called the Frenchman's Inn. She said that Perry was supposed to pick her up at 6:00 P.M. but he was late because it was raining hard. She said that she and Perry arrived at the party at approxi mately 9:00 P.M. x The Subject stated that she and Perry continued to date until the early part of 1943 She said that she became pregnant and after she told Perry that she was pregnant “ he told her to "get lost" until aiter the baby was born and then she shouid look hirs '. wp again. | fot » ‘ - ; . , ov) . : . - : at : HW 54046 DoclId:32136897 Page 3
ave t cy My. Hawkins oo. June 2t, 1967 RE: Lillie Mae McMaines RESULTS (cont'd): The Subject stated that when she first tole Perry Russo that she was pregnant, a& man (unknown to her) placed Perry in a hypnotic trance and questioned hirn. She said that while in the trance, Perry acknowledged that he was the father of vol her yet unborn baby. She said that Perry later denied that he was the father. . She went on to explain that she e, Perry, and the unknown "hypnotist" (she des-  - “Yibed his age as between 40 and 50 yoers) went to a place called the Royal Castle and, while there, this unknowa "hypnotist" again placed Perry ina hypnotic trance. She said that he did not question Perry at this time but gave rim a post~hypnotic suggestion, ‘When I snap my fingers you will awaken, get off the stool, walk to the door and then return to the stool where you will irecze in your tracks and will be unable to. move." She said that when tae man snapped (ES 1is fingers, Perry opened his cyes, got off the stool, walked to the door anc then turned and walked back to the stool. She enid that Ferry stood by the stool “nc went through what appeared to be attempts at moving his body but he di an petuelly move. She added that, in her opirdon, Perry was faking his inability t move while standing by the stool. 2 é ra _fAfebject said that the next ime she saw Perry (aiter telling hira that she was “|, |bregnant) was a very short tirne later aad she spent about “one-hali hour talking r~with him in his home. She said that when she ceparted his home, 2 friend oi his named "Fido" knocked her down on the lawn, hit her in the etornach with his list, { and made the comment, "Why don't you leave him alone?" She explained that she ecreamed loudly when atrack by Fido hoping that Perry would come outside but T fre did not. She said that Fide went into Perry's home after knocking her down \ / find str iking her. She said that as soon as she regained her sense of direction, \ Wane. got up and went home. a le Ne Oe nr ce a f Th Subje ct stated that when she wag about three months pregnant, she atte:snpted suicide by taking 175 aspirin. She said that a girl friend named Kathy founs ber and took her to the Charity Kespital in New Orleans by taxicab. She said that her stomach was pumped at the hospital and she said that the hospital notified the police departinent but her girl fyiend Kathy talked the ofiicer out of tating her to jail. . > HW 54046 Docld:32136897 Page 4 ipa
Page #. 7 | a 7 f : a ; Ms. Hawkins June 21, 1967 RE: Lilie Mae McMaines _ RESULTS (cont'd): Subject stated that when she was about four months pregnant, she married a. YVramicams in Dallas, Texas, She did not tell the circumstances surrounding a divorce from Adams. . ce - : - 5 v The Subject stated that whea she was between 15 and 16 years of age, her ‘rnether' took her to a psychiatvist because she had run away from hore. She ‘$aicd that she visited the psychiatrist about four times but she did not know what he reported about her. , . o abject related that she gave birth prematurely on August 30, 1963. She said that ahe was released from the hospital on Septernber 3rd or 4th, 1963, She said she went to Perry Russo's house the day following her release from tne \ (re but she did not see or talk with him again datil June or July of 1964. | | Hpabjee then related how Perry Russo photographed her on several occasions a | wile she was engaging in the act of coitus with different men, She explained _ | hat Perry had his own dark room and developed the pictures himselt, . } | a ubject then related that she and a girl named Ann visited her baby in the hospital requently. She further stated that her "parents" came from Alabama to New Orleans and also visited the baby in the hospital. "4 " ——~ Alas im a Subject continued that her baby was released from the hoSpifalod September 29, . 1963, and on this sarne date she leit New. Crleans with a James Robe Russo had introduced her to him). She said that the two of them and tat ‘\\/Avert by bus to her "parents'' home. She pave her "parents" ecuress as Lox 326 | acated near Mobile. in Dipht Mile, Alabama and she said that this town is (mi no) JameSeotfett Ethel io tfetl Lay | Siewert orto-explairtiatvatnes Hobert Lrvin was unable to finde employment in Mobile and so he went to New Orleans and obtained a job in ean estabdlishn:ent | called Little Crystal Cafe. She said that this establishment is located on Royal Street in New Orleans. She said that Jimrny worked and stayed in New Orleans hott curing the week and he would hitchhike to her “parents” home in Eight Mile, A#labama, over the weekends. ‘s . . - 7 ‘ : - : . | ‘ ‘ : ry : ' \ / /. I, ~ . ‘ ; . HW 54046 Docld:32136897 Page 5
on Mr, fiawkins June 21, 1967 RE: Lillie Mae MeMaines RESULTS (cont's): Subject stated that she and Jimmy leit Eight Mile in February of 1964 (leaving the boby with her '"mother") and they went to San Bernadino, California, where they stayed with an aunt of hers. She said that from the time she left New . Orleans to po to Bight Mile and then to Californis, she did not make one trip to New Orleans. ‘Subject related that she and Jimmy w ent th rough a wedding ceremony in Tiaju: may Mexico, in June of 1964, She continued that Jimmy left her the latter part of gpis same month, She said that the day after Jiminy left her, she went to New Jbrleans by bus. Subject related that when she arrived in New Orleans, she called Perry Russo Wad he came to the tus depot and drove her and her personal beloncings to his jomne- She said that she spent the nicht in Perry's apartment and then the follow- img day she rented a room for herself, She said that aiter she rented the room, dhe went job hunting and she met James Robert irvin on the street. She said that they decided to live together again. She said that she did obtain a jobasa i “[Pigain wal She said that sne and Jinmmy lived together for only one week anu kh | gain walked out on her. She said that he left on July 3, 1964. herseli and in:order to save up enough moncy to get her baby hack from her "mother." She turther explained that she gave Perry Russo "around a hundred dollers" to keep for her but he never pave it back to her. She said that on cne ther occasion, she loaned Perry $20.00 to use to pay his insurance but he did 10f repay this rnoney cither. ; L Q/ The Subject stated that the first time she met Davéfieerrie was in either the latter | } \ } Tho Subiect said that she thea turned to prostitution as a rncans of supporting ; i , E & | i j 2 part of January of the first part of February of 1965. She explained that she was with Perry Russo and he wanted to see Dave Ferrie about something and so the wo of them went to Dave's apartment. She said that Perry introduced her to Ferric and his two roomimates. She said that they er at Dav ce apartment for only a few minutes and they lett. deceased 2-22-67 — oom 5 . : - , HW 54046 Docld:32136897 Page 6
Mr, liawkins June 21, 1907 ; REY Lillie Méue MeMaines RESULTS (conte): The Subject said that the next time she saw Dave Ferrie was less than a week after first meeting him ead was ona Sunday. She explained that Dave invited her to his apartment for luach with him and his tvo roommates. She said that Wave picked her up at her place ina blue Ford station wagon and they arrived at aye's apartment at approximately 12:30 or 1: 00.2. M. She said that she stayed ~at this apartment natil about 5:30 P.M. at which tire he drove her back to her ‘tlace. ubject said that she next saw Dave Ferrie on the following Wednesday or Phaursday when he came oy Sam's place where she Was employed. She eaic that Lave asked her if she would go out wi ith him the foll wing Friday night. ubjec ct said that on this & aed night, Davo pick ed her up at her apartment juout 6:00 or 6:30 P.M. and they first proceeded to Dave's apartment » where one bi Dave's roommates and his ¢ late were waiting. She said the jour of the per, p U vent to several places to dance and criak but they did not have ¢ sinner. 02d Ld $ Si = a ee t te. exe ine Jablest ermnphatically denied ever meeting Shaw orfOsw she Said that she aat she if ypeve attended a party at Tave We erric's house. She ge had never beon Bi a foothall game but sce did attend\baskethall 2 eatas vecoball | games with Perry Russo and Lefty Peterson. - O Pee ohe The Subject sta ted that Perry Russo was extremely interested i cor of Goldwater. ‘said that he was a Republican and a strong advocate and back The Subject stated that ehe attended a political meeting with Perry Russo and three other men but she could not be sure of their names. She related that the [necting was held in a big house on Canal Street in either April or May ei 1965. ! She said that she and three men stayed ina back recom ofthe house and watcnec television. She said that she did not see all of the people at the meeting. She said that she did not hea¥ anyone speaking Spanich nor did she gee any Spanish, Cubans or Puerto Ricans at this mecting. } The Subiect com:nented th nat Lefty Peterson is "off upstairs" but isa good puy otherwise. ; HW 54046 DoclId:32136897 Page 7 he A LG eA i a a
, Page a, ores hawking June 21, 1967 - RE: Lillie Mae Meltaines , BS ESUILT VS {cont!d}s the 3 Subject explained that Perry Russo habitually made aotes about everything. She said that he made notes of things he nad to do, the tines he was supposed to be somewhere, and places he had to go. She said that Perry told her he rnade notes of everything because he was so busy that he did not want to forget anything. Le Possibly & home se rug f (- fhe Subject explainedtiat on one eceasion she wont fo verry s house and Stike at eamemarwnsn- Titsgerald was there, She said that Mike told her that he just foun: Perry. TNs BariFoom with hia wrists all slashed up and that he hac ‘trie & to cosamit .ticlde, She said that she then left an did not see Perry. dj : ae . : The Subject stated that when_-Perry fi vst introduced her to Jimmy Rrvin, he m~ suggested they all go to Jimnuiy's apartment and he would like to make photogr rm mr ig sri as - ite? re her and Jimmy engaging in coitus. She said that a girl friend of hers namec F Jeannie became very angry with Perry when he made this suggestion. She said - . they dic not go. . fr . ey . 4 yy “ $ ~ tn et. The Subiect stated that the most men¢she ever engaged in sexual intercourse with, one immediately following the other, \wouts be two. She said that these were two ry\unen she hustled when she was workin}. san a prostitute, She related that she J jhustled one man one night and he went into the bathroom after undressing. She we ne ry [“ said that she locked hirh in the bathroom, ook $120.05 frora his pocket and ran out oftns room, Sha stated that on one occasion Perry wanted to photosraph her and & girl named Kathy engaged In 2 sex act te get er but she said that someone a came in unexpectedly 3 and the act was never consumin at ect related that two inve stigators from District Attorney Garrison’s Sfice came to her home in the middle of the night of March 8, 1967, in Oraaha. he said that they requested hey to leave immediately with them and return to ‘Crlcans for the purpose of.locking at sorne photegraphs. She said that they her that they did not know what the photographs were. She continucd that she told ther that she could not leave then because she had a ceat and other clothing in the cleaners. The said thet these two rmnen, Gilmnis and Jonah, teld her not to worry---they would buy her some new clothes. She suid that they further told her that she would stay in the finest hotels and eat the finest foods. \ HW 54046 Docld:32136897 Page 6
oa . 7 ~ ~ _ . Page &' s Ma. Hawhins ; © my June 21, 1967 RE; Lillic Mac Lichaines RESULTS (cont'd): She continued that her husband (Harold hicMaines) spoke up and stated that he - cid not want to let her go and that he wanted to consult with an attornsy. She said that the two investigators then offered to buy a ticket for her husband also. She said that after her husband insisted on talking with an attorney first, the two investigators told her husband not to consult with an attorney because she might eet hurt if be did and they wanted to keep everything quiet. She snid het they « did leave however, ne Subject explained that she told this entire story to a reporter named ith the World-Ylerald in Omaha. She said that alter the stery ared in she and her husband beth lost their joks. She went on.to relate t the reporter Zimmerman teld her that she needed an attorney and arranged vy her to meet attorney Lex Mawkins. : we gone by Fe AY ot een be "2 o I'he Subject was given four separate tests and was asked the following relevant qucstions and gave the answers incicated: © [yxizst Test: QQ. Do you have any intention of trying to ie to me during this te st? A. No. @. Have you told me the complete truth since we have been talking? A. Yes. (2. Did you attend the party at Forrie's home that Perry claims you attended? A. ON », Did you ever meet Shaw? A. No. Q. Are you deliberately trying to withhold any information from me regarding the party? A. No. , 5 Q. Have you told me the complete truth here toda Q. Did yeu attend the party Perry says you did? ‘A. No. Q. Are you. trying to withhold ony information from me regarding this case? A. No. s . , . . : : { 4 . a . oN | + . . . : a ( ‘ L . . . . " . - . : , . . t HW 54046 Docld:32136897 Page 9
~ os * Pe ns . ‘ ; 2 Nir. Hawk ing . . June 21, 1957 © Ri Lillie hiae vMeMaines BPESULTS {contli}: TViuird Test: @. Did you Ne to Mr. Hawkins atall? A. Yes. Q. Did Persvy ever tell you that the President was poing to be assassinated? A. No, Bid you go to the party at Dave's house that 2 Merry says you did? A, Wo. Ave you atternpting to protect or cover up for anyone? A. Now Are you trying to hold back any iniormation from me now? &. Ne. lave you told me = th x€ complete truth here today? A. Yes. ould you lie if it would help you stay out of jall? A. Yes W ere you ever pre seat when any psople talked about aa sassinating the President? A. No. Is Perry telling the truth about you attendi: ng the party?’ A. No. Are you attenmpting to withhold any jaformation from me naw? A. Ne. Have you purposely licd to any of my questions? “A. No. © | oO | Daring the first three testa, her polygraims contained reactions,to the relevant question: “Are you trying to withhold or conceal any information from! me?" Following the third test, she explained that she suspects Perry Russe rakg ht be "a little queer" for Mike ¥itzgereld. There was not a reactioa to the Guestion =T Mareen \r the test folowing this explanation. / ' this story. She explained that the last time ehe saw him, which was in June or aay of 1964, he asked her if she would maryy him. She stated that he said that he wanted to marry her so that he wouldn't have to go into the military service. She ‘slated that she told him she would not marry blu. She then quoted him as saying, "You have got to marry me and help keep me out of the service." She stated that she again told him she would not marry him ance then further quoted 1a3 saying, “if you won't marry me, I'll have to find someone else who will." She added that she belicves he is telling this story in an endeavor te avoid going * { The Subject : was asked by this examiner why she thought Perry Russo was telling . into the military service, HW 54046 DoclId:32136897 Page 10
. Page 10 Mir. Hawkins June 21, 1967 CONCLUSION: After careful analysis of thie Subject's polygran Lithe iiae MecMaines it is the opinion of the examiner that she told substantially the truth during her exarsination and interrogation. HW 54046 DoclId:32136897 a Dofebttae LEONARE LER, SING.