I-25 4 document? | a Ms. Goodpasture, ‘It looks like a cable that was sent 2 | . . 7 to Mexico,. | “Mr, Goldsmith, Is that cable 9332? : | Ms, Goodpasture. Right. = 7 Mr. Goldsmith. I.would like to ask you to read the a 5 7 styst paragraph of that cable. a a | Ms. Goodpasture. ‘It has the normal work hours there. ™ i ‘ a Mx. Goldsmith. Does this cable accurately reflect. what . . . z 0 | the normal working hours were of the Soviet Embassy? = a Ms... Geodpasture, Tf do not. know. The work hours are_ * | ligted here, but tT do not know who. originated this.cable. . | | 6 : 3 “Mr. Goldsmith, Who was the authenticating officer on : ; | this cable? | ! E I Ms. Goodpasture. I did, but I could not find this | * S| message last year. © : "| Mr.. Goldsmith. The answer to the question who the | : 8 authenticating officer was is you? _ . | = Ms. Goodpasture. Right. | = an “Mx. Goldsmith, ®here ‘on page 4 it indicates that the ! <i , authenticating officer was : | ° a | Ms. Goodpasture, That was my pseudo, ” Mr, Goldsmith. In light of the fact that you were > | io “| the authenticating --- | ae fl ~ ! Ms. Goodpasture. I do not Rave a memory of the specific 001167 0 m 3) SON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. HW 50955 DoclId:32277224 Page 27 a
| hours. at that time, — | | @ 2 Mr. Goldsmith, IT would like, at this point, to refer ~ | @ ; | De. I would like to ask you to read the first. two paras ise | ‘graphs, | (Pause) ™E your attention to page!l.of the documents cont ainéd in Stack | | | “Ms. Goodpasture; The first paragraph? - 2n02" (202) S54-2345 3 | Mr. Goldsmith. It is labelled up top, memo to Mr. go. Popitch at FBI.. I think that it is the stack that we just put z 1G | by your right hand. I would like.to ask you to read the ! : | : first. two paragraphs. | = 12 Ms. Goodpasture . The first paragraph? ! o = 13 Mr. Goldsmith.. The first two paragraphs. | = i = ‘6 (Pause) - | : 13 Ms. Goodpasture, Yes. | | ! & Is Mr. Goldsmith. Does the information contained in this . | 7 7 I document contradict. the information that is contained -~— : i : disregard that question. | =e 1? The question Ihave now is, according to this. document, | = ; it.appears that the photograph surveillance was of a continu~ | eT . ous: nature during daylight. hoursy : © pee Ms. Goodpasture, No, : ° Mr. Goldsmith. What I am. saying ; according to this ! ce * document ; the photograhpic surveillance of the Soviet Embassy * and consulate was of a continuous nature during daylight. : | _ 001168 SOM REPORTING COMFANY. INC.
hours. ; ! Ms. Goodpasture. ‘We are talking about two different nm a things here, The surveillance, someone was available there, | e 7 but they did not make pictures, “They may have been watching | : >| the activity from 9:00 o'clock in the morning until 1:00 3 : | o'clock and may Rave. only made two pictures, one at 11:00 | g 71 and one at 12:00. | S at As far as photographic surveillance being continuous, | S a that would be really inaccurate because it. was not a camera : = (0 | making a picture of every minutets activity. | = re Mr, Goldsmith, However, there were personnel stationed | Zz i | ; = | at positions outside the Soviet Embassy compound who had a : 3 photographic equipment available and who could take pictures | = | at any time during daylight hours, is that correct? : i Ms. Goodpasture.. I do not. Knew whether it would be or | = 18 | not. At any time. during daylight hours? ” 7 Mr. Goldsmith. I am drawing your attention to the > So 2 8 second paragraph of this document, page 1, the very first a l E yl sentence of that. paragraph. It says the photographic | ° S 20 | coverage of the mentioned installations is of a continuous see nature during daylight hours. Is: that an accurate statement? 7 eae fis JX! nw rae Ms... Goodpasture. I think in November of. 1973 <- | 3 pen) Mr. Goldsmith, '63,. : / “Ms, Goodpasturg «= after the assassination, the case | “| officers. ordered their people to be on duty continuously, I : on116s : ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 29 ALOERSOM REPORTS Cebien
-1+28. | am not sure of that.) That probably may have prompted this nw Cee I i | - | statement... I . | | Mr.. Goldsmith. This documented is dated November 27, | *f aasa, 3 74 Ms.. Goodpasture.. Yes. 3 | Mr. Goldsmith. Is that correct? = 7p Ms ¢ Goddpasture. That is the date that is on the = a document . : an Mr.- Goldsmith. This document seems to indicate, does = 10 | it not, that the photographic coverage of the installations : vd was of a continuous nature during daylight hours. Is that 12. | correct? | © é TD 1 Ms. ; Goodpasture.. That is. what the ‘document. says. here. : ie Mr. Goldsmith. - This.was a document that was given to : Vs : the FBI. by. the CIA. ‘Is the informationccantained in. this. * 6) docunent accurate as far as that specific sentence is = i . | concerned? _ : 7 Ms. Goodpasture. . I assume it ig, . This'-memorandum was: = |* | written in Washington, though, at headquarters, s 20 | Mr. Goldsmith. In your previous ‘answer, you seemed to ee be suggesting that this document referred to the coverage pe 2 of the embassies after November 22, 1963, I am referring a to the period of September-October "63. | {o 2 | -Ms,. Goddpasture. ‘I think that this memorandum was (written to tell them the coverage that had been instituted 0041170 ALDERSON REPCRTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 30
ho dad sa 1) 1-29 after the assassination. Mr. Goldsmith, For purposes of clarification, to the -best of your knowledge , what. was the scope of the photographie surveillance of the Soviet. Embassy in September and October 1963? | Ms., Goodpasture,. What. is that? _ Mr. Goldsmith. For purposes of: clarification, to the best of your knowledge, what was the photographic -- what was. the scope of the photographic surveillance coverage of |. the Soviet Embassy and consulate in September. and October, | 1963? Ms. Goodpasture.. During the hours that that office i would have been opencto receive visitors from the public, Mr, Goldsmith. “Would thé clerk please now hand to. the witness the stack labelled A? Stack A contains actually. four sub-stacks, A-l, A-2,_ A-3 and A-4, | I would like to draw your. attention to Stack A-3, Ms. Goodpasture. Page 3? Mr. Goldsmith. Stack A-3; one of the stacks contained in Stack Ay. | Ms. Godpasture. What page? Mrz Goldsmith, It is a separate ‘sub-stack within the overall Stack A... Eas: your attention now been drawn to Stack A-3?_ 004171
- Ms. Goodpasture. ‘Yes, | AT 2 | Mx, Goldsmith. Can you identify the document that 3 | appears. on Stack A=3? | i ; | Ms «. Goodpasture. Yes . | | ‘5 3 Mr ,GGéldsmith, | What is that document? | 3 $ | Ms . Goodpasture. ‘This is a memorandum, a rough draft, = 7 \ ‘that I wrote from memory when I came to Washington a year. ago | s to be used as background material to try to get together the | co 4 information about what was the situation in Mexico at the | = 10 tine of Oswald's visit and the assassination and to name : 7 people who were there that we could talk to and locate their = "2 i records and get ‘as complete a ‘report as we could on what. | @ z 13 happened there. | = i i Mr. Goldsmith. Of all the available personnel from. | E 3 Mexico City, why were you specifically asked to prepare this | : is memorandum? | | . | : “ i | Ms, Goodpasture.. I dosnot think anybody else was will- | 5 8 , ing to do Rte. | | | | E ‘9 | _ Mr. Goldsmith. ‘Is it possible that you were asked to | 5 20 : prepare®this memorandum hecause you Had more information : | seal : concerning this issue? oo | | ve = | Ms. Goodpasture. No , I was asked to do it because the * man who was. reviewing it had never been at the Mexico station | * and it. is just as though. he was asked te write a report on this 2s committee, that he wanted someone that had been in Mexico, | 001172 i . “LDERSON SEBORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 32
4 - 3 4 4 4 > s bl 2 ~ . $ wo : wt fo] ~ ~ , 2 7 oO oe =, ~ a 3 oe cS (oad - ’ = id S és = 1] x : o = 3 ‘ = tA mS = bat rad ta “ z 13 Es Fe a 1g = ral 17 - & ; = 8 ul — “ = 1? = : Rl weed iva = 20 a1 eS SS 4 SF am a a af me, 47 wo 24 2s as memorandum? in 1963, 1-31 ‘Mr. Goldsmith. Before we proceed, I would like to ask |. you, Miss Goodpasture, to wait until I have’finished asking my question, and although you may have answered the question I was asking, I would like to ask it again. Why were you specifically chosen to prepare this MS. Goodpasture. I do not know. Mr. Goldsmith. Was anybody else from the Mexico City station who served with you in 1963 asked to prepare similar | memoranda? Ms.¢sGoodpasture, FF was told that. all of the people who | j were there at the time would be interviewed and would be | asked to do the same thing that I was.asked to do. Mr. Goldsmith. To your knowledge, did they? . Ms, Goodpasture., I do not know. I did not see any of the results, but that does not mean that they did not. Mr. Goldsmith. Are you familiar with. the CIA's Inspect | tor General Report of 1977? Ms. Goodpasture. The CIA what? : Mr. Goldsmith. . Inspector General's Report of 1977? | Among other things, it dealt:with. the question of the surveil~ lance operation of Cuban and Soviet Embassies in Mexico City i I i 1 Ms. Goodpasture. Iam sorry. I am going to have to ask. you to repeat that because there is a word in there at the 904178 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. -
HW A0955 ) . 1=32 Ms..Goodpasture, There were related to people who were ' ! g } 1 | beginning I am not sure f understood. Did you say secretarial 3 board? 3 Mr, Goldsmith. No, I did not. I will try to speak up | | Land te clarify my questions for you. Why do we not defer that - s| until later on? ~ at i t i : a 7 I would like to-address your attention to page 19 of a , | e | this document. ~ \ re (Pause) | S | ; . og What'appears on page 19 of this document? What infor- | | food i ; = . mation appears on page 19 of this document? | rad : g ni Ms, Goodpasture. There is a list of names and dates. | e | | oo | S32 | Mr. Goldsmith, What are the names and dates related 1 14 i to? Ht | i 1s | or whovI thought, could have been in Mexico. at that time, but this document was never checked. I did this, I tried to do Hh. REPORTERS BULL TES, ( S ) this. from memory and it was to be checked from the personnel it says "unilateral photo,Soviets," do you see that? = 4 | Tecords for accuracy as well as the other memorandum that you = 19 | have. < 2 What we have here is my rough draft and there may be | 21 1 gome names of people who were not there. Peal 9 ol ty : raw 22 Mr, Goldsmith. I understand we are only going to focus 71 | this time on a few of the names. if ° 24 Drawing your attention. to the middle of the page where i . 001174 MERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
7 Ms. Goodpasture, Yes, | 7 Mr. Goldsmith. Is your name mentioned under. that | 2 | category? 7 -Ms,-. GoodpasSture, My name was there in the initial | s status, | ' 5 | Mr. Goldsmith. I think the question calls for a yes or) | 7 ino answer, Was your name. -- C. 2002" (202) 554-2945 Ms. Goodpasture, Pardon me? 001175 3 Ms. Goodpasture, Yes, . . 3 | | Mr, Goldsmith. This was in a report that you prepared, | : 10 | is that correct? — . | | : wd Ms. Goédpasture,’ That sis‘ right. = i | E 7 Mr. Goldsmith. It says Goodpasture, alternate co in | 5 3 internal routing. What does that mean? | = iT Z ra | Mr. Goodpasture. That means: that during the time. that | bas ii . | = 1 Harry Mahoney was there, when the base was first set up, I z lé was his alternate case officer and I did the internal routing ‘ m for the Soviet photographs. My tenure lasted much longer. Tr : | kept an interest in the Soviets -- I mean in the stotographs, z i9 When. the other peopbe were away on holidays I could meet with | = 20 | theix contact and pick up the photographs and route then. ! cme! Sometime in 1964, I had nothing more Lo do with photo- | t5 roa graphs. : 23 | Mr. Goldsmith, Mr. Mahoney left in April, 1959, is | - that correct? | = = mares gt = ALDCERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-34 Mr, Goldsmith. Mr. Mahoney left, according to this, roughly in April, 1959. a3 in to me and I gave them to Herb Minell. On other occasions, .. Ms. Goodpasture, That is approximate. I am not sure 2 * | of the date. 5: | “Mr. Goldsmith. Understood. = | 8 | However, you continued working in this particular 5 7 | capacity through 1964. Is that correct? | : 7 Ms, Goodpasture, only when the other people were away, | : 4 I met someone outside. That was the function of the alternate Bay | : nsibili | & ‘ i - Mr, Goldsmith. What was | responsibility | . : 12 in regards to this project? | @ = 1 Me. Goodpasture, He was a case officer, | : < Mr, Goldsmith. According to page 19, he served in that I g 'F | capacity from June '63 until October '64, is that correct? | | : is | Ms. Goodpasture. I think so. | = : vy Mr. Goldsmith. When you say case officer, you mean | : : |e officer with regard to the Soviet Embassy photosurveil- ! — "tance coverase? ce | | _ 5 a Ms. Goodpasture, Yes, 7 | See Mr, Goldsmith. Is it true that when. : © PX * | received the materials from the photosurveillance operation | “ jhe would turn them over, either to you or to Herbert Minell? : 4) “ Ms. Goodpasture. He sometimes brought the photographs : ae ii @ - > HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 36
; 1+36 | ‘was his sole responsibility at the time, He was the case officer for the:project. 4 | Mr. Goldsmith. Is it true that, because of the sensi- | tivity of the photosurveillance operation-at the Soviet 7 5 | Embassy that Winn Scott felt that you were the person who | should run this operation? Oe Ms. Goodpasture, I do not think I heard that statement | ; | ~ before. He did not want too many people involved in it 2002% (202) S54-2345 8 go >| because of the sensitivity and he asked me to review the photo- a ta) graphs to: make sure that. the outside people did not become | S iF : 1) | sloppy in the. photographic work. | | s 5 | Mr. Goldsmith. Nevertheless, did Winn Scott place you. . : \ G = 13 ina supervisory capacity with) regard to this project? | Z | Ms. Goodpasture. No. I never saw anything in writing ! e 1s | that referred to me as supervising the activities of that ! : 16 | Project. a 7 7 | Mr. Goldsmith. If not in writing,nevertheless, informally 2 ‘a | did Winn Scott designate you as the person who would be super- : 1S vising that project? ! € 7 Ms «. Goodpasture, He may have said informally, I want | = 7! | you. to make sure that those operations are run properly, or ) a 22} something like that, but I do not think he did. I do not 23 | recall him doing that. . * Mr. Goldsmith, Is it true that was. the most | 22 junior officer in the station in 1963? _ i on1i7e | " : ; , ALESERSOM ZESCRTIMNG COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 38
\ eb Ms. Goodpasture. That he was what? _ oe) “Mr, Goldsmith. The most junior officer, He had less cee) seniority than anybody élse in 1963, Ms. Goodpasture., Agewise, he probably was, ge : | Mr, Goldsmith. Is it also true that the Soviet opera- : - tion, in terms of surveillance of the Soviet. Embassy, was an a extremely sensitive operation? — : 7 Ms. Goodpasture, It was not.any more sensitive. than C a the other operations. which | | was: handling, In fact, : a was probably the person most trusted by Winn : un] Scott. ~ . ! : am Mr. Goldsmith, I do not believe that. the answer is. : @ ~ responsive ‘to my: question, though, uO . | Is it true that the Soviet Embassy surveillance opera~ eoasd ., | —_ eee: - . - = i tion was one of the most. sensitive operations that was in 5 a oa . . . ney Z | effect in. Mexico City in 1963? - ai | : - - ! . Ms. Goodpasture, I doubt it. | . | Mr. Goldsmith, Wauld you characterize that operation ~ , aS. extremely sensitive? —__ = 70 | | | Ms... Goodpasture. Pardon me? eee Mr. Goldsmith. Would you characterize that surveil- f27 2 : : 7 | o —— | lance operation as extremely sensitive? iy con ; Ms. Goodpasture, It was -- I would characterize it as ey a sensitive to the extent that the Chief of Station did not want. the photographs disseminated and the sourta identified, for OC117% il ui ALSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 350955 Bocla: 32277224 Page 39
HW 50955 — H JON 7TH STREET, Sow. REPORTERS RUTIDING, HALE THC TON, N.C. 2002" (202) S$56-2945 thd be COTY oO “a / ore Wa fr | | | would he be telling us the truth?. { | of the people in the station do the legwork, the running | : oe 1-38. that. reason. it was.considered sensitive. But every project | that we had was also considered sensitive that involved a source who would be in jeopardy if they were identified. Mr. Goldsmith. If were to say that his responsibility with regard to that project was simply. to do | { } the legwork on it and not to act in a supervisory capacity, Ms. Goodpasture. When he first came there -~- Mr, Goldsmith. I believe that calls for a yes or no answer, Ms. Goodpasture, I am trying to figure out why someone | } would make a statement of that type. He felt, I am sure, as a young officer that he was -only doing the legwork, but so | | [ i was I. Because the person who made the decisions was the | Chief of Station and iis deputy, and they had the remainder t I i | around, meeting the agents, but when it came to make decisions they made. the big decisions, but I did. not make any.decisions | over| work, if that is what you are getting at. | Mr. Goldsmith. With regards to this particular surveil-' t lance operation, did you make. the decisions on it, or did | - tid : Ms, Goodpasture, He made the decisions on it. As far | as Management of the project was concerned -- - i , ; i Mr. Goldsmith, Miss Goodpasture, what was the procedure : | 001180
de tee] mn 7 by wa 20024 €202) SSu-2345 ou oO a be fh. WASH HELTON , ay REPORTERS BUTE au, § a 200 7H STREET, eo oe hd Ww day for getting the photographic film from the photography | surveillance ‘site ‘to the station? | Ms, Goodpasture, It was picked up at intervals by meetings with the person outside, Mr. Goldsmith; How long did it take? Ms. Goodpasture. There, again, my memory is faulty. I think that it was picked up once or twice or three times a | week,. | | | Mr. Goldsmith, What was done with it once it was: picked up? . 7 \ Ms, Goodpasture, Pardon me? | Mr, Goldsmith,: What was done with it once it was. picked : t up? WHat was done with the photographic tape once it. was. -picked up? Ms. Goodpasture, What. happened to it once it was picked! | Up? | | “Mx, Goldsmith, Right. | 8 Ms., Goodpasture, It was brought inte the station and | 19 | distributed to the people whe took action on that product, : Mr, Goldsmith, Before it was distributed to the people : | | bn the station, was it developed? _ | | : - Ms, Goodpasture, Yes, it was developed. | 3 | . Mr. Goldsmith, It would he picked up, vou think, | approximately three times a week, It would be taken somewhere ,_ for processing and development and they would take it to the 001181 MERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
' 1-40 | |} station and distribute it. Is: that correct? ~ a 2 | Ms . Goodpasture, Right. | 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. How long did this overall process take? | ‘| Ms: Goodpasture. My guess would be about a week from | 3 3 i the time that the film was exposed, but some of the film 3 : | might. only be two days old or three days old, | g "| In tHe roll ‘of film, it would:cover a period of one, | = 2 | two or three days, so that the last day's coverage on the. | 7 5 filn would be more recent than the first part of the film. | <- . z 10 i Mr, Goldsmith. Would you give the panel your evaluation : VW | of the efficiency of the photosurveillance operation? ! i2 Ms. Goodpasture, Well, I think that it generally was, | J : 3 very good as. far as the coverage was. concerned. . rf we asked | = 1 | them to get a photograph of the events that occurred between | 2 | 9:00 and 10:00 on such and such a date, they usually produced | : 15. the photographs for that period, | 4 7 Mx. Goldsmith, What if they were not specifically asked 2 aa to focus on a person, as a matter of routine? How thorough > | a = 19 | was, the coverage? | 5 20 Ms, Goodpasture. They covered the categories that we | amex." | asked then fox on a routine basis, which was. to identify any | 4: pe! 25 people who appeared to be non-Latin and any Soviets, : 3 Mr. Goldsmith, I: understand that was the purpose. | © a Given. that. purpose ; how thorough. was the coverage? . 25 Ms, Goodpasture, I think it was accurate. ~ g0d182 Y i i ray 4 ALDERSON RESCRTING COMPANY, INC. HW 450955 Docld: 32277224 Page 42
. 1-41 | to | : 7 Mr. Goldsmith. Was Winn Scott satisfied with the | performance of the photo operation at the Soviet Embassy? . | Ms. Goodpasture, To the best of my knowledge he was. © 4 : Mr. Goldsmith; I would now like you to refer to page | = 5 | 20 0f the document ‘that you have before you in Stack A-3, | 5 , | Seven lines from the bottom in tHesmiddbe of the page, it says 3 | "However." | | : i Ms. Goodpasture, Wait a minute. ! = ; + | (Pause): ! .. 10 Mr, Goldsmith. Seven lines from the Bottom, starting : Ss i | : 1 with the word "However," I would like for you to read that, E 7 Ms: Goodpasture, The last. | . | © = 13 Mr. Goldsmith, "However, here again, there was." That . E r4 is what I am referring to. Just read that section please. | : 13 (Pause). | . | = 5 Is the information contained in that section starting | i 17 | with "Wowever mttt the end of that page, accurate? i : | Ms, Goodpasture; To the best of my knowledge it is, - : ip | But Zam not so sure whether or nat the cameras: used a | € 20 | separate roll of film for each day after the assassination or .. 4 | before, I think it was after the assassination, That part ! & pe 23. xight here is not clear, : 23 | The reason I say it was after that period, because if | ny . 24 lyou will look at the log of the film that occurred in October 25 lyou will note:moze than one day on thatroll of film, | i . / it th 3 wb a a ALDESSZSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32977224 Page 43
| 1-42 i Mr. Goldsmith, After the photos were taken, to the | o 2 ) station, were they reviewed? Were the photographs reviewed? | 3 L Ms, Goodpasture. After they came into the station? | © . * | Mx. Goldsmith. , ves, 3 5 “Ms. Goodpasture |. Yes. 3 6 | Mr. Goldsmith. Who reviewed them? | | g 7 Ms. Goodpasture. I glanced at them and then I gave chen a é to Herb. Minell and he studied them, and if I was--loaking for ce something at the request of Mr, Scott, if he came down and | S | = «IG | asked me to go over the photographs for such and such a_ | = | EM | period, then I studied them more carefully. | = 2 7 Mr. Goldsmith, Did you review, did you give all of . | eS i © 5 13 the photographs: from the photosurveillance operation of the | | : ‘4 Soviet Embassy to Mr. Minell? | | = V3 Ms, Goodpasture: : Yes. I routed them and. then they | 5 Is went to the file where they were kept , but he had access to : : 8 Mr, Goldsmith, If Mr. Minell were to have said that | : * H | = 9 | he received only those particular phatographs from the Embassy 5 = operation that you regarded to be of significance, would he | ase” be telling us: the truth? | Eo Wt Ms; Goodpasture, I think he would, I think he is . | 3 referring -~ the photographs came in and there was a contact. | & 2 print on one sheet of paper, also, of those photographs, of 3 2° those cases, where we asked them to look for people who had a : —— oe1184— ALOSHSON SEPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Boclda: 32277224 Page 44
a 4 “ ~ 4 + wa = s pal 2 ™ i wy , wa fo} 7” ~ : c = os f er mM e e ™“ . a te 7 a o e = ig 3 o = i om a ane =. 2 - 2 * © : 3 a ow a Se ta pa ; L a Zz fs a“ co z a = 14 Ne = “ if. o ca 2 = i) Fad wn _ - a = 1s o~ ‘ee a S 20 oat — =! : & = ip 23 Lf _—— i “ ~ 23 a @ . ae a3 Aa Ou graphs that came. He retained, for his use, the 3.x 5 photo- | E243 | car license plate or ‘new Soviets wha Had not been there before or people who were not Latins. They gave us a3x5 photograph with them in addition ta the sheet, and those 3 x 5 photographs were always given to | Mr. Minell te use or to identify the new Soviets or to start | files to try to bdentify the others. But tHat was separate — | from the file copy, so that may have been what he was - referring to. Mr, Goldsmith, He was given photographs of significance. Was he also given all of the photographs of the Embassy? | Ms, Goodpasture., Yes, He was shown all of the phato- | -graplis, But all.the photographs were routed to him, | Mr, Goldsmith, At this time, Mr. Chaixman, I would | like to break for any questions that. the Committee might have. Mr. Preyer, t believe we would prefer to complete. | the testimony. before asking questions, | Mr. Goldsmith. I would like to turn now to the photom | _ graphic surveillance operation of the Cuban Embassy and | consulate, | What responsibilities, if any, did you have with regard - to that particular operation? | Ms, Goodpasture. At the time, in 1963, none, | Mr, Goldsmith, When did you have. responsibilities with | regard to that operation? | C017 eat gages , TING COMPANY, INC.
he) de ~~ 4) real cH 300 71H STREET, Soh REPORTYRS HUTEBENG, vacation, Ol. 20O2% (202) $5u-23945 1-44 Ms. Goodpasture. When they were first working on the. Cuban Embassy, they asked me if I would help them with the photographs « I do not remember the exact time now. Mr, Goldsmith. How many cameras were in operation surveilling the Cuban nmbassy and consulate? Ms. Goodpasture, I do not kriow-. I am not sure. I tried to speculate on that, But I am just not sure. Mr... Goldsmith, If you had to estimate, what answer would you give? Ms, Goodpasture. I thought that there were two, but I did not know if they were at thé consulate entrance or the | main gate. Mr. Goldsmith. In September and October 1963, at what times were the Cuban Embassy and consulate under photo-sur- velllance? » | Ms. Goodpasture. ‘What. is that? Mr, Goldsmith, In September and October of 1963, at. ‘what times was the Cuban Embassy and consulate under photo= — surveillance? | Ms. Goodpasture. I. do not kriow « I think. the Cameras were malfunctioning during thatpertod, but I am not sure right now thé exact dates, Hut it shotId be in the record. Mr, Goldsmith. As a matter of routine, during that period, what times would there have been coverage? - . Ms. Goodpasture. “My guess would be that it would be the OC11Se ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-45 \ | same as the Soviets when the offices were opened, but it > | would be up to their case officer as to wHat times he ordered 2 them to work, and the case officer, at. that time, was Bob | @ | Shaw. | s Mx, Goldsmith, In the case of the Cuban Embassy and ‘| consulate, what was the procedure for getting the photographic film from the surveillance site ta the station? 2HO2% €202) 554-2585 | oor Ms. Goodpasture, I think that it was similar to that i ft _used for the Soviets, but I did nat know thé people who brought ‘ D.C. - it in, ZI did not Bring it in, | | OO Mr, Goldsmith, By whom were the photographs reviewed? HASIDLNG TON , Ms, Goodpasture, I think. Bob Shaw, 1 : i ij | ! 2 . ; | - Mr, Goldsmith, Did you review any of those photographs? | Ms, Goodpasture, Not unless they Brought one to me.to. | | just look at it and compare with somebody who may have gone t to the Saviet Embassy, which was the case of this controversial . REPORTERS BUTLDTHG, I i f 1 | i} WV 2 a photograph: that we have. | 2 3 Mr. Goldsmith. Were you acting in an informal super- | a 4 ! E- + | visory enpacit with regard to the ‘surveillance operation? | = “ Ms. Goldsmith, Mr. Shaw was in charge of thissoperation? cme | Ms, Goodpasture, I think Bob Shaw was in charge of that. | e Rt operation, 22) MY y Goldsmith, ‘How many years had Mr, Shaw been down at Ge 24 the Mexico City station? : | | 25 | “Ms: Goodpasture. ‘Iam not sure. It should be available | : gor1s? COMPANY, INC. 4 a a u Oo A { ; a) Cj HW 50945 Docld: 32277224 Page 47
- 146 from headquarters, "63 to *65, I think. It is on page 18. ee Mr. Goldsmith. Now here-~-. according to page 18 of this document, Mr. Shaw was Chief of Cuban dab ae operations. (vr Ms, Goodpasture., I think Dave Phillips, I helieve. Mr. Goldsmith. You say that Mr. Phillips was the | wd Chief during this. period. According to your document on page am “| 18, you also indicate that Mr. Shaw was the Chief of Cuban ~$) i Operations. — . . 4 Ms, Goodpasture, Because Mr, Phillips came down there, | Dave Phillips was the covert) action officer and then he was | _ placediiin. charge of Cuban operations, but Bob Shaw had | actually been there before, handling the Cuban operations, ; and the other memorandum that you referred to was written when . . . | I was. trying -~ and I said it had several errors in it, © ° ] i } ! but. I remember that Bob Shaw was there working on Cuban. | target. I did not know on what date when I wrote this when. | . | i | Dave. Phillips was named as Chief, i i 7 Mr. Goldsmith. When. Phillips ‘came down, did he replace | ' i { i] 1 H ann Te STIR, SW. REPORTERS HUELDIMG, WASHERGTON, B.C. tAage C202) SS4-2945 | Bob. Shaw as Chief of Cuban Operations? | Ms. Goodpasture; No, he was there before in another. capacity, then he was named to replace him. Mr. Goldsmith. Turning ta page 19, according to page 19, under the section "Unilateral Photo,Cubans," it says that | during this period, Robert Zambernardi was in. charge of the O0118e SO) REPORTING COMPANY. ING.
1-47 unilateral photo operations. bo S | they were not case officers. They processed the film. | | \ .. Ms. Goodpasture, These were two photographers, but | . | | Mr. Goldsmith. I see, G91418° = 5 | Ms. @odpasture. They had no operational responsibility. : | Mr. Goldsmith, Are you able to evaluate the efficiency | g 7 of the Cuban photosurveillance operation? z | Ms. Goodpasture. My guess would be that it was just as | : 7 efficient when it was operating as the Soviet one. | ie |) Mee Goldsmith, With regard to both the photos that were : 1) | obtained from the Cuban and the Soviet Embassy and consulates, ios iH . ~ , : 3 ae what happened to them after they were taken Back to. the ee 3 13 | station and reviewed? ‘Were. they stored? E 7 Ms. Goodpasture,. They were stored in the adn file, | : 1s chronolagical files. . | : ts Mr. Goldsmith, During the period when Mr. Scott was - | ~ | . i - te there, were any of these photographs disposed of? | : a Ms. Goodpasture; ves. Some of the earlier photographs, : 9 | before we began to set up formal files in the late 1950's were é | not used. | — 2 | ‘During the period that we are talking about to the best ! aw 22 | of my knowledge, in 1963, I do not believe any of the photo- 22 | graphs were destroyed as long as Mr. Scott was there. | ee He Mr. Goldsmith. How long were these photographs retained? 25 a Ms... Goodpasture,. As far as T know, they were still there ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 450955 Docld: 32277224 Page 49
a when ft left in 1968. - | | Mr, Goldsmith, Are they there now, to your knowledge? | | ‘Ms. Goodpasture. ‘Not all the pliotographs. A year ago | a I could not locate ‘all of ‘them, a i : Mr. Goldsmith. For purposes of clarification, we are | now talking specifically about photographs taken in September | g a and October of 1963, Now, you just said that, a year ago, = s you could not locate them, Did you go to Mexico City to | ; ; : attempt to locate them? — : 0 | Ms, Goodpasture. No, | Mr. Goldsmith, Where did you go to to attempt to locate VALET ESPON , the photograplis? | | | i 7 - 1. | Ms, Goodpasture. I was here in Washington and I looked i : . ; : | through the files, but we did send a cable to Mexico City, i In. fact, we sent two cables to them trying to locate the | REPORPERS BUTE TMG, . _ photographs, = _ My; Goldsmith. What was the response? — | si a. Ms. Goodpasture, They: could not locate one page of the ! = ., | Photographs. : < 20 | Mr, Goldsmith, I do not. understand the answer. They | 4) | Were unable to docate one page? ! be 33 Ms. Goodpasture, One page. One page of photographs e 14 they could not locate, | | 2 Mz, Goldsmith. Does that mean that all of the other : e 23 photographs they were. able to locate? : : AL MSRSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HY 50955 DBocld: 322772274 Page 50 ,
HW 350955 bo i oD H “ =. 3 “a ~ } ~ : t H = ' ar) 2 | wi 1 9 | =~ } “ i S 7 vo > 4 = r ™ : Ss 3d = | ™ - gd we 7 i : H oo | i = (0; S ! = = Plog = ' — i ar = ta Ve i co \ = ' : = 134 ext i + 1 ‘ont i = ' = + ! “ io i i i i i REPORTERS S.u. oO ION PTH STREET, a mW are i Docld: 32277224 Page 51 “materials, a cover letter a year ago. have a copy, it its a contact print of 35 mm. film on one . 1-49 Ms. Goodpasture. “Dees that mean what? All of the other photographs? Yes, We located all of the other files | except for’ one, Mr. Goldsmith. Do you remember what time period the J oo. | page of photographs that you cougd not locate referred to? | Ms. Goodpasture, Right offhand I do not remember, but || | . I wrote a memorandum for it, which ‘should be in. this group of Mr. Goldsmith. Specifically with regard to the photo~. graphs that were taken in September and October, 1963, did | the information tHat you obtained from the Mexico City station last year indicate that all But. one page of those photographs | had been recovered“and were available? _ | Ms, Goodpasture. Yes, to the best of my knowledge ,. | Mr, Goldsmith. When you say "a page of photographs ," : what are you referring to? | Ms, Goodpasture,.-In a file which you showed me you page, Mr, Goldsmith, I think T Know. what you are. referring to,: Ms. Goodpasture. Right. Mr. Goldsmith. By "a page," you mean a page that would | contain. one or more contact prints on it. , Ms, Goodpasture. It would contain contact prints from. 001181
1-50 i 7 one roll of 35cmm, film. The film we had, but it was that | > 2 contact. print that was in the original files that we. could . | not locate. @ : Mr, Goldsmith; You still had the film? | = | Ms. Goodpasture. The negatives were available. | 3 3 | Mr. Goldsmith. In that case, what is available from | e r the Mexico City station are all of the photographs, all of | E a the photographic negatives ox contact prints from the pictures : | that were taken at the Soviet and Cuban Embassies and consul~ : 10 | ates in September and October in 1963, is. that correct? | = i . z ng Ms. Goodpasture, That. is. right. 5 | Mr, Goldsmith. Were these materials ‘sent to head-- | a : 13 quarters last year? | Z | Ms, Goodpasture,. No, I do not think the material we | : ag] could not locate was ever sent to headquarters, Iothink it ! = i . | : 13 was destroyed in the field, 7 a ra But. the other film, all of the negatives concerned in | ; 8 : this photograph had been sent to headquarters. before I. began : : 19 to look for it last year. | g 20 It came up in about 1968 or '69 when certain files — | were ‘sent to. headquarters, ith pe 22 : Mr. Goldsmith, For purposes.of clarification, is it 1 ro oe true that ,available at headquarters or the. Mexico City station are either the contact prints or the negatives of all of the pictures tHat were taken at the Cuban and Soviet Embassy and ' | | Qoti9e ' ALSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 452
151 1 | consulate? | n Ms, Goodpasture. Yes. | | . . . . 3b Mr, Goldsmith.. Is it also true that available in regard 4 to these materials are the photoproduction lines that are an maintained? — q | Ms, Goodpasture. With thé one exception that I ~~ n.¢ o 20024" (202) S$56-2445 mentioned, the others are all available, | 3 Mr, Goldsmith. Are you saying that there was not a production log with regard to the contact prints? | “Ms. Goodpasture. Right... . | HTHGTON, D.C. Hd “Mx, Goldsmith, . The others were all available from the | 3 a Cuban and Soviet Embassy and consulates, is that right? | | a 3 ; -. .. oO : 3° Ms, Goeodpasture, Correct. ; | : a Mr. Goldsmith, Ir would like now to turn to. the area of # li . . . : | the electronic surveillance operation of the Cuban. and = i 7 iP = 16 Soviet Embassies. and consulates. - . i 7 | 7 How-many: wiretap operations were in effect with respect | a 18 | to these embassies. and consulates in September and October. of | z | 19637. | S 20 | ‘Ms. Goodpasture, “De you. mean how: many lines were | | Many projects were there? | ee I covered, or how many projects did we have? When you say . : . yas se \ operations, you are referring to unilateral, not a lateral? i 31 See ten. ; _. _ ; . 22 Mr,Goldsmith, Let's first talk about the projects. How: | | i i ; 13 | . a ee ne Eh | an a it Ms. Goodpasture, We had one that we ran. independently. |: " | | . . 0011938 ALOESESON RESORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 53
and one that was a liaison project. ho Mr. Goldsmith, The one that was run independently was | referred to as the unilateral project? & - | Ms < Goodpasture. Richt. | 5 5 | Mr. Goldsmith. With regard to the one that was run | 38 | “inddpendently, how many taps. did you have in operation | | & 7 with regard to phones at the Soviet Embassy and consulate? S 3 | Ms, Goodpasture, ‘On the unilateral one? | BF) Mx. Goldsmith. Yes. | | Fa z iG Ms . Goodpasture, I would have to guess without checking an : i = a Mx. Goldsmith. ‘Iam just: asking for an estimate, | ee 5 43 | Ms . Goodpasture. _ I. think. “ I do not think that. there. ; : . was. any: Coverage of the Soviets on the unilateral in Septembe : : 1s 1963, I .think ‘all of that was -on the liaison. On the Cubans : - te I think ‘there were one or two lines, | ° iv Mr. Goldsmith. For purposes of clarification, again : 8 ‘we are now talking about the period September-October , 1963, : z a | turning to the liaison project, how many taps were in effect | S 20 | at. the Soviet Embassy? ; | | | ; “Ms, Goodpasture, I believe there were five. | Mr, Goldsmith, Did you follow whose phones? | ' “Ms; Goodpasture., Do I recall + Ay Mr,.. Goldsmith, On whose phones, ~ a Ms, Goodpasture, Phones? _ | O01194 : : ie ALDERSON SEPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 54
1-53 i | 7 : | ao Mr. Goldsmith. Which phones were selected for wire- i 6 | 2 | tapping purposes? a] Ms. Goodpasture. There was. the Chancellcry phone, the © 7 cultural office. I would have to check the transcripts to be’ i a s sure. | | 4 2 | @he military office was also covered. & 7 | ‘Mr. Goldsmith. By whom was the liaison project S 2 coordinated? < | I will try to speak. up and speak more clearly. In any | = a} event, before I get to the question that I. just asked you, i : 7 how many phones were tapped at. the Cuban Embassy and consulate? | ~ 12 Ms ,: Goodpasture. The Cuban Embassy, four or five. | oO - 13 Mr.. Goldsmith, Do you recall which phones? To the. best = fl | : * | of your memory, which phones were taped in the Cuban -= E 2 | Ms, Goodpasture. Four or five. ! : is | Mr, Goldsmith. De you recall which ones? _ “ "| Ms; Goodpasture,. ‘Which ones? Not by memory) but I ! 2 8 | listed them alla year ago when I reviewed the transcripts, | =e IF | $0. there ‘is a list of all thé films that were covered at that | a 20 time in the records, | KE Mr,, Goldsmith, Did the Mexicans have any unilateral ! «& re 2 coverage with regard to the Soviet and Cuban embassies? | Ms, Goodpasture, The project was joint, They. had the | nm ro same coverage tHat we had, baa 3 Mr. Goldsmith. To your knowledge, ts it possible that ro is 1 i | 4 |. 001155. ALCERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ' \ WW 50955 Docld:t2277%224 Page 545
i=54. they, themselves, had a unilateral project? It is possible, ie] ‘but if they had coverage -- which I am sure they probably did have —~ but they shared with us the coverage from the joint project. : an Mr, Goldsmith. What were your responsibilities with. ' 3 | regard to the wiretapping operations? © ~ | . - - S ‘ Ms. Goodpasture. . Legwork and maangement.. ° 3 a Mr, Goldsmith, By management, what do you mean? ¢ 2 | Ms ,. Goddpasture. I recorded all the correspondence, e i A 19 | getting the money, paying the people who did the work, making : | gure that. the machinery was functioning, picking up all of | = 2 | the transcripts and supervising most! oftkhe’ people involved | a = 13 with. it ; except for ‘the Mexicans, . - . | : ¢ Mr, Goldsmith.» In addition to electronic surveillance | z 1 ofaarwiretapping nature, were there any "bugs" planted in the | = 's Cuban or Saviet Embassy and consulate? | y 7 | Ms, Goodpasture, “E think there were, but I do notihave | : 8 | firsthand knowledge ‘of them. I think that the best person ! = '¥ | to give you the best information on that would be the Cuban : § ® | cage ofticare: We never put anything in the Soviet Embassy. | SR | Mr, Goldsmith, If you did, would there have been a | Sy, 1%. | transcript made of the conversations that were overheard? _ | | ro ad Ms. Goodpasture. ‘Yess: Mr, Geldsmith. ~Would those transcripts: still be on record. at the agency today?: oe sy Ft OOL1L9E ALC ERSGN RTSORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:322977294 Page 56
f 1-55 | | | Ms. Goodpasture.: They should be, | @ 7 Mr. Goldsmith, You indicated earlier, I believe, that | there was a list avatlable of the Cuban phones that were 6 4 ji - covered by the electronic surveillance operation, is that. . Es | “correct? | 2 Pa , Ms» Goodpasture. That thére was -— . | E 7 Mr. Goldsmith. You indicated earlier that you. either | S 7 saw Or prepared a list of the phones that. were covered by che! : | surveillance ‘project at the Cuban Embassy and consulate? c | . ; , = id | Ms. Goodpasture.. Yes. a i i Z nl ‘Mr. Goldsmith, Do you know where that list is today? | oe . = i2 Ms. Goodpasture. It should be in your records. . | qa = ig Mr. Goldsmith... Why. do you say it should be? | : 7 Ms. Goodpasture. I was teld that you had a copy of : : i all the transcripts and, with those transcripts, there was a | = S| list of the lines that were covered, both Cuban and Soviet, | 4 a7 Mr, Goldsmith. In addition to the electronic surveil- | : 8 lance both of a wiretap and of a bugging nature, did the . : a E 9 | Mexico City station have any penetration agents at the Cuban | a Mss Goodpasture. I am not. sure about the Cuban Embassy, 4) fa a Mr Goldsmith. Did the Mexice City station have any : | 23 : penetration agents at the Soviet Embassy and consulate? | ] 24 Ms. Goodpasture.. , No, 5 Mr. Goldsmith. “Are you' certain about. that answer? : ‘| 001157 LRERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ; HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 57 mre SN
. 1-56 i) — Ms. Goodpasture,. Pardon me? | . | Mr,. GoldemitH, Are you certain that there were no is Cee) | CIA penetration agents? _ Ms, Goodpasture, To the Best ofamy knowledge, there were none at the Soviet Embassy, If there were, I. did not. a know about tHenm, o ~ Mr,. Goldsmith. Your answer is the same for the Cuban * oo “Embassy? | "| Ms. Goodpasture.. The Cuban Embassy, I do not ‘know, | | Because the Cuban EmBassy had locals émployed and there were | . a . . | assets in touch. with. some of those, locals by the case officer for the Cuban: operations who would be the only person who would know about that. It is not in the records, ta | 7 7 . | Mr, Goldsmith, Fine. : : i a) H | Turning to the scope of coverage, at what times were | these lines under electronic surveillance. Ms,. Goodpasture,. ‘I think that the equipment. was. activated when a telephone. conversation took placelon thé , ‘Mr, Goldsmith,. Lt would be automatically activated? i 300 7 STRERT, S.U. REPORTERS BULEDING, WASHTHOTON, ALC. 20024 (202) S5%-2345 ry { | | . liaison lines, 4 i { Bo | Ms, Goodpasture, Yes, ~ re | on fal ) : Ga 4 i Mr, Goldsmith. Therefore it would not be limited just : 23 7 | to working hours? nm ra © i Ms,. Goodpasture,. Yes, or whenever a call occurrec, ho aan } Mr.. Goldsmith. You indicated earlier when you attempted OAiire . == win mm SG ALSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 450955 Docld: 32277224 Page 56
de tae ren 282% C202) SSu~-2945 oo wy pic, VASHTHGTON , REPORTERS BUTLDING, STRERE, SoM. 300 7TH , | Contact. page was missing? _ | 1-57 to locate. the photograhpic materials in Mexico City there was one contact page missing, is that correct? Ms. Goodpasture. There is a log missing and a page i of contact. prints -- Mr. Goldsmith,» ~~ is missing. _ Do you recall what period in September, October of 'é3 that page pertained to? (Pause) Are. you able: to find what you are looking for? | Ms. Goodpasture. There is a memo which I wrote on it, You should have a copy of it, and I am not sure what date it is. I thought it was in the papers that you showed me yesterday, . Mr. Goldsmith. Let me see if I can help you. Tf you turn to the materials in Stack A,. I think. Stack A-2, is this what you are referring to? ‘Because that is. | the only other document. pertaining to this area that I showed | you yesterday, | : Ms. Goodpasture. A-~2. Mr. Goldsmith. I am referring to Stack A-2. Is this , | the document that you referred toa which would: indicate which Ms... Goodpasture, There is another one in which. I : | mentioned that the folders had Been reused, No, it is in this. | one. . 4 001199 — i : ALMERSOM REZORTING COMPANY, INC.
Mx. Goldsmith. Please takexthe time to look through — ae IIS LLL this. document. and see if you can find which contact print. for what peried is missing. Ms. .Goodpasture, Right, 5 | (Pause): 7 | a _ . i 7 Mr.. Goldsmith, If you are unable to find that at this | time, perhaps we could pursue it later, It would he best oO _ to continue with the inquiry. Ms. Goodpasture, Here it is, on page 4, — o Mr, Goldsmith, Where specifically on page 4? _ Ms., Goodpasture. The files contained the photographs. 2 | for the period . 2. May '67 to 30. . of June '67 were in | Jan DTU STREET, Si. REPORTERS BUTEDING, HASUTUGTGN, D.C. 20024 (202) 454-2945 i: @ 13 a folder that had been used, that was marked to hold files hd | from the period 23 July '63 until. 30 November. "63. 1g Mr, Goldsmith. Let. us see if we can get this straight, i . is First of all, even though the contact prints would not | 7 be available, the original negatives still would be. That | | :§ is correct, is tt not? | Te Mss Goodpasture. The log for this one base, this one | 20 | photographic source, was. not’ avaflable, - . | mee Mr, Goldsmith. “The original negatives would still be | @ Ep 22 available? - | | | 2 Ms. Goodpasture. The negatives ave available and the | @ 24 original photographs are available Because they were sent to : as Washington, “But this file was destroyed, I suppose accidentally. 4 001206 t HY 50955 Docld: 32277274 Page 60 — ALDSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-59 7 Mr. Goldsmith. All that is missing is the log and the | : contact print? | Ms. Goodpasture. That is right, which would have been . in that, file. | | 2; | wr, Goldsmith, Are you saying, then, that the log | 5 | that was kept of the photograbhs taken during this period, ; 2 .', | the entire log,from July223rd '63 to November 30 '63 is no. | S a longer available? | : + | Ms. Goodpasture. Could not be locatédaa year ago. ! ‘ : 10 | We were trying to locate it. : He Mr. Goldsmith, Did this pertain to the Cuban or Soviets? 2 van Ms. Goodpasture,. Soviets. | «> : 13 Now, another source that made photographs. at. the same | a 14 time, thelr logs are available for the same period. | & o Mx, Goldsmith: I am not sure I am following. What . ! = ls | are you getting at? | 4 7 | “Ms. Goodpasture, That there were three bases, there | : ts | were two of those bases that photographed this unidentified : : | man. | | . KS : “Ms, Goodpasture. well, the logs are not available from S29 a4 one. of those bases But fromthe other, it is, that you have. | at / 2 6 Mr. Goldsmith. When we say the production logs and | the contact prints for this period are missing, that refers to only one of the three photo sites that were in operation ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 350955 DBocld: 32277224 Page 61
HW 50955 2002% (202) S$N-25405 Dc. WASHTHGTON, BUTELDENG , REPORTERS UW. Ss. 3008 7TH STREET, Bocld: co) oe) ga aaa ~L wo 32277224 Page 62 TLS EIS Sn eg A ' 1-60 at that time, Ms. Goodpasture,. That is right. . | The third photo site never photographed that. man because he did not appear in the area. | Mr. Goldsmith. We do not’ know whether they did or did | not, since we do not have the production log, | Ms, Goodpasture, We do not have the photographs from that third source again. Mr, Goldsmith, Getting back to he wiretap operation ow: Long. did it take for the information that was obtained. by | the surveftllance.operation to reach. you.at the Mexico City . station? ' | Ms, Goodpasture, I generally picked it up early in the | morning after the day on which ‘conversation was made. | Mr. Goldsmith. What would you pick up at that time? | “Ms, Goodpasture, I picked up. copies: of the transcripts. Mr, Goldsmith, ‘So, just take one day, ‘To haye the i | tape. transcribed = | Ms, Goodpasture. In most cases, because the transcribers i with. the Spanish texts worked at the. same. place where the > recording machinery Was, | . 7 Mr. Goldsmith,. When you say you picked it up, from whom 7 did you pick up the transcripts? _ Ms. Goodpasture, From an outside agent,: Mr, Goldsmith, Let us: get. into this: procedure in a Bit | 001202 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-61 ; | More detail. There would Be a tape recording made, is that correct? > Ms. Gocdpasture, A what? | * | @ ‘| Mr, Goldsmith. A tape recording of the conversation 2 s | would be made, is that. correct? . | | : | Ms.. Goodpasture, ‘Yes. | 7 - g | Mr. Goldsmith. How would that tape recording actually | z , | get to the transcribers, or translaters? — | ; 3 Ms, Goodpasture, The transcribers, or the transcrip- | ° ta | tions that I picked up,‘ the transcribers were working at the | : 7 same place with the Spanish text. rf the language were other | es | than Spanish, tt would have to be taken to another location. | Si g 1 to be transcribed, The material that was picked up the day | E ta after the date on whitch it occurred was in the Spanish | | = ie! Language, normally. , ! 2 . . Is Mr, Goldsmith. Tf the conversation was in Russian, | ie 7 | wouta it Be taken to Mx. Boris Tarasoff for translation? — z 3 | Ms, Goodpasture, | That ts right, : 1S | oe Mr, Goldsmith, Routinely, how tong did it take Mr. : zo | Tarasoff to make the translation? . | Ms, Goodpasture, It depended on. his backlog, But | fal 2 _ Senerally 2 was a delay of a day or two, ; | sd 33 Mr. Goldsmith, ‘In cases. of Russian translations, would | 24 it Be fair toa. say that generally you would receive a transcript 23 within three or four days?of the time that the conversations | geqre RSCN REPORTING COMPANY, INC. a HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 63
2002" €202) 95-2345 1-62 T i \ ! were made? _ 2 | Ms: Goodpasture. ‘Yes : 3 | Mr. Goldsmith. Do you Know who took the tapes to Mr. * | Tarasoff for transcription? 5 Ms’. Goodpasture. Yves, the same man who brought them i | tome, the outside agent of the liaison project. | Mr. Goldsmith. Who wag that individual. ° Ms , Goodpasture. “His name was: Flick. | J : Mr. Goldsmith, Was there anybody else hesides Mr. | < = 10 Flick. that. was responsible? | : y | Ms. Goodpasture, Herbert Minedl . - ou | Mr. Goldsmith. I believe I asked you yesterday to a ’ é 3 describe Mr. Flick and you described him.as, looking like me . ! : " | Are you able to give a more definite description today of | : 13 | Mr, Flick? | | : 8 | Ms, Goodpasture. Well, he looks like an All-American — | 4 7 boy. | : ia Mr, Goldsmith, Thank you. | = 9 | This Mr, Flick was approximately 5. feet six inches tall?! 5 20 | Mss Goodpasture.. He seemed taller than that to me . , Keg Mr. Goldsmith. How old was he in 19637. ; : @ fe? as Ms. Goodpasture. He must Have Been about 45 and if I | 3 | missed it by a few years . he probably would not like it, i 2 | Mr. Goldsmith, Once the transcripts were brought: to | 2s you, would you review all of then? - 00 1204 ! i ALDERSOM RESORTING COMPANY, INC. Hy 50955 Doacld: a 32377234 . Page 64
1=63 1 Ms. Goodpasture., Not always because they were routed | to the people who tock the action on them, and in the case | of some of. those transcripts, there was a stack about an eG * | inch or so thick, and if you took the time to read them, then | 3 $j the people who had to take the action on them did not get to | 2 ) [ see them, so I. generally took them and passed them out. g oa Mr. Goldsmith. Would you review most of them? : : : 5 ‘Ms. Goodpasture, “I. had more. than one copy so I could co 9 Look. at then, if. there was something of. significance, | c Oo = 19 | Mr. Goldsmith. I-.am not sure that. I am following you. | 2 ny As a matter of routine you would review it, ‘or would you : s v2 pass it along? | . ” ; |. a> ig Ms « Goodpasture. I would pass it along, first, I kept | one copy myself for. files and I had access to that copy. i i t i } “| i Mr, Goldsmith. In the case of transcripts from the REPORTERS BUEEDEHG, tS | Soviet compound, they wotilld go to. Mr. Minell, is. that correct? eT Ms, Goodpasture, That is right, | z 3 ; Mr. Goldsmith. From the Cuban compound, it would go | =z |? | to whom? — | rn - , 7 , a 2 | Ms. Goodpasture. It went to Bob Shaw.. en Mr. Goldsmith. ox Dave Phillips? — se an 7 _ eee © ya | Ms.. Goodpasture, Or Dave Phillips. | - | Mr. Goldsmith. . How long were the tapes maintained? | a ~ i Ms... Gaodpasture,. About two weeks, af Mr. Goldsmith. What happened to the tapes after the two-
week period? - 3 Ms. Goodpasture. They were erased and reused, oe) ab Mr. Goldsmith. They would be erased for the purpose of reuising, did you say? | a Ms... Goodpasture. . Yes. Mr. Preyer, “Let me interrupt counsel. That is our sag . 20026 (202) §$5%-2345 call, Miss Goodpasture has been at it quite awhile now, so < 7 I. suggest. that we take about a ten-minute recess at. this z 19 | time. . : | “We will récess for about ten minutes, : a (A Brief recess was taken.) | © : ' Mr. Preyer, 'THE Committee will resume when counsel is os 2 tg | ready to resume his questions. Mr, Goldsmith. Miss Goodpasture, getting hack to the . REPORPERS area of the wiretap operations of the Cuban and Soviet | } 3 ™t embassies, would you indicate to the Committee in what manner a the photosurveillance and the wiretap operations were tied “a inte each other? . 30% 7TH STREET, § Ms,. Goodpasture. On a wiretap operation, if we got information that someone was going to one of those places far 2 a ao in adyance, we would notify the people taking the photographs - | to try to, get pictures of?them.. G . ~ | That was one way we were tied in, Another way we were. : tied in,was. if we saw where a person had been there at such. HOP 208 ZRSON SSS>ORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 66 ‘second. bell, We have to go to the Ploor to answer the quorum |
20024 €202) S5"-294N5 nic, UALHTINGTON, REPORTERS BUPLBENG, SW. . & be ae = = a) o e o faa ~ ioe ns re ~ . au a we ab HW 50955 Docld: 1-65 and such a time, we would check back to see if there was a photograph made during that period and if there was any way that that person could be identified. Mr, Goldsmith. Similarly, if there was a tape-recording L. bo ‘ . . made of a conversation and from the conversation it became —- | | ‘apparent that the person at issue was either at one of the embassies or was going to go to one of the embassies, it would be possible, would it not, to. go-to: the photo-production logs and determine who that person was? , “Ms. Goodpasture., We could determine if there was a ' photograph there and if the photograph appeared to be the same! i { person that came upcon’the wiretap. i 1 ‘ Now, there might be someone speaking English and the only photograph that we had was someone that was obviously a Latin whom we knew. who did not. speak. English. -We could rule him out! as being the person who made the call. Mr. Goldsmith. In what manner would this procedure take’ Place if you knew that someone was either going to the Embassy | or that he was there at a particular time? How would you go | about. checking to see if you had. a photograph of ‘that person? Ms. Goodpasture, If we knew afterwards that he had been there? Mr. Goldsmith, Yes. Ms, Goodpasture. We would take the coverage for that day, i look at it, and see if he was there, | ~
1-66 Mr. Goldsmith, You would not confine yourself just to ‘ gs . , . | a specific time that day? You would examine the entire day's | tee) | coverage? ~ - | Ms. Goodpasture. Yes.. The log was prepared in such a | , ° ES * I way that they listed the time and the description of the i | 3 3 | person who went there, | = "| Mr, Goldsmith. I b@lieve earlier you testified as. a S 2 | matter of routine, the photo-surveillance operations would u i pictures of foreigners -- in other words, a non-Mexican “= fe. | | = (0 | and of Soviet or Cuban personnel, is that true? | : a -Ms,. Goodpasture, Soviet, yes. Well, I do not know 2 i = 2 | about the Cubans, but I can say that for sure for. the Soviets. | a = 13 Mr. Goldsmith, They would take the photograph of some- | = | one who did not fit that category if they were given notice | E Is in advance that someone happened to be of interest, is that | : S| correct? ! “ m Ms. Goodpasture, Right. | : | (Pause) | E iF Mr. Preyer. We have another. vote on the House Floor, | 5 20 I suggest that we take. another moment while I go over and 7 } : xe vote. We will recess for about five minutes. | o> be a2 . (A brief recess was taken,) 3 Mr. Preyer. The Committee will resume. | © “ You may resume questioning. { Mr. Goldsmith. Thank you. 001208 ALDERSON SEEORTING COMEPANY, IMC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 66
- —_ / «1-67 Ms..Goodpasture, Would you repeat that, please? | Miss Goodpasture, who would give notice to the photo- | | SS 2 surveillance wnits to take a picture of a particular individual | 2 | | Mr. Goldsmith. Certainly. .. : write a note, give it to Tom, and Tom went out and notified 5 s | Let us assume that it is decided that a particular = ¥ 6 individual is important and should be photographed. | re | , x | Ms. Goodpasture., Yes... : S a _ Mey Goldsmiths who: would.give notice to the photo- | : ° | | = 9 , “Ms. Goodpastiire.:: The case:officer handling the project. : u That would have been | : = ‘2 Mr. Goldsmith. Assuming, for example, that one of the | = | © E 13 people monitoring the wiretap operation picked up a conversa~ | = iP : tion that the person regarded to be significant and in that | 2 Is | conversation it became apparent that something was of interest. = is Would it be standard procedure. for that person to call | = 4 : : ig directly to. the photo-surveillance sites? | z sy Ms, Goodpasture., No, because that person did not know | i ! = an any of the people ocnducting the photo-surveillance. Now I. | . 5 20 | think in the case of the unilateral operation which was | an also handled unilaterally, wiretap operation, it was also : > w\ "| handled by I. am not sure if they would contact am the photo people or not, but my people could not contact the | & 24 photo people. They would have to come in to me and I would : s&h NO120e | f ‘ bea ey ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. : HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 69
| | | the photo people. | © 2 _ Mr. Goldsmith. How long would it take for notice to 24 > | Ms. Goodpasture. Well, the length of time that it would i i i _ 3 a take to call somebody and locate them and: talk to then, 2 7 normally we did not give them that information on the telephone... = | It could be one day, two days, or three days. | : 7 Mr, Goldsmith. Would it.be possible for the individual | v | monitoring the telephone conversation. to call his case officer o . = 0 | directly, or to call you directly? : S re Ms. Goodpasture, No. | st i : 2 Mr. Goldsmith. To call. the case officer directly and | . > : 3 then for the case officer to immediately contact the photo- | ; = i : HL surveillance operations:and tell them to take a picture of : re a particular individual? | : S| Ms, Goodpasture. In the case of S operation, "| it would, but.in the case of the ones I handled, it would | : | not. They had to go through the person. whom I met outside, E i | then he. got in touch with me and I gave the notice to Tom | = 20 and Tom took it to his people. Mr.. Goldsmith. You are drawing a distinction now between e25 22 | . | a> v\ “| the operations [_]hanatea and those which you handled. | What is the distinction you are making? Which operations did 24 | : | @ "| he handle? Ms. Goodpasture,. He handled the unilateral telephone 001210 ALOE RSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 450955 Docld: 32277224 Page 70
: So 1-69 i | operations. hn Mr. Goldsmith, You handled? Ms, Goodpasture, The liaison and the agents in the f unilateral operation and the agents in the liaison operation 5 s | did not. know each other, to the best of our knowledge, were # 7 not aware of each other's operations. E 7 Mr, Goldsmith. We may have covered this before, however He é a would like to clarify this point in terms of the photo 8 9 | production logs from the surveillance operations from the | ra oo = (0 Cuban Embassy and consulate and Soviet Embassy and consulate. = | those materials were all available the last time you knew Bo a . = (2 with the exception of that particular contact page, and the a : i3 photoproduction page pertaining to that contact page, is. | 2 . that correct? . : | | Ms. Goodpasture, You mean available now? = te Mr. Goldsmith. Right. | “ 7 Ms . Goodpasture. They are available, yes. That is ! : | correct. | | = i Mr. Goldsmith. On the transcripts that were made of | S 0 | the telephone’ conversations , would the transcript have an ! an indication of the telephone line that was being tapped? i o> ya ) Ms, Goodpasture, Yes. : am Mr, Goldsmith. And the location of the telephone? In : ©) + other words, the Soviet Embassy, Cuban Embassy? | Ms. Goodpasture,. There would be a cryptonym which would | OCL211 | 1 i i ub it f } ALDERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 DocId:32277224 Page 71
in os ry ha Ga ~ ~ 20024 €202) 55%~23545 Ae, UASELHC TON , RPPORPTOERS BULLS ENG, UW. 8. STREET, 30M 7TH identify it. | Mr. Goldsmith. rt would also give the time of the i telephone call, is. that. correct? Ms. Goodpasture, Yes, Mr, Goldsmith. I would like now to get into the area of the relationship between the Agency's surveillance opera- tions and Lee Harvey Oswald, | | In that regard, I would like to draw your attention. to Stack B. I believe it is going to be handed to vou right. now, Miss Goodpasture.. (Pause) I would like you to refer to page 1 in Stack B. Ms, Goodpasture. Yes. | Mr. Goldsmith. Can you identify this document? Ms. Goodpasture, This looks like a copy.of the trans- eript, a xerox. copy of the. transcript. Mr. Goldsmith, Would you please read the content of this first page, the person that is marked off starting by line 151 or Starting with the line designated in the left 151. Ms. Goodpasture. Are you referring to the last lines? Mr. Goldsmith. No. I am. refering to the middle of the | 7 page, in the lefthand column, where it says number 151, | Ms. Goodpasture. 151. That is the space on the tape ‘where this conversation took place. If that tape were put on O0121¢
l-71 i | ene same macnn tne it was recorded on and started at 0, this would come up on 151.. It would not apply on any other machine or starting at any other number. | ‘itt 7 Mr. Goldsmith. Would you read the conversation that | | . 5 s follows immediately next to 151. : 3 | (Pause) a & 7 - What does the designation "MO" signify? | S ; Ms. Goodpasture. Man outside, | : a Mr. Goldsmith. Does that mean a man outside making a | = 10 |v phoneeat1 inside? : E u | Ms. Goodpasture, That means that. this telephone call, : 5 ‘ | = 12 | that it was a man from outside of where the telephone was 7 © : ‘3 who called in. | = in ‘Mr. Goldsmith. Fine. 7 : 1S Is it possible to tell from page 1. at approximately what ; is time this call came in? I will direct your attention to the 7 ° 7 top of the page, of page l. | z 3 | Ms. Goodpasture. I know. I am locking for -- it was ” ; / = aa sometime after 9:55. ' 2 i . . i > 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. The upper righthand portion of this | a page indicates that the call came in on October 1, 1963, is : rhe AY 3 3 AGH Las ee i that correct? t Ms, Goodpasture. That is right. nD ok i Mr, Goldsmith. At the bottom of the page there is some. | | writing in script, cursive, I draw your attention to that at | 001212 7 ; 2 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. } 50955 BDocld: 32277224 Page 73
HW 50955 : 20024 €202) S5m-2945 Cc 9, HASHTNG TON | REPORTCRS SUTLDING, 300 7TH STRENE, SoU. j a Bocld: i) ree) a | . tr bem i} M) 4 ho ~— sy ren 32277294 Page 74 -reel, 1-72 this point. Ms. Goodpasture, It is a number for the Russian Embassy Mr, Goldsmith. Which would be the number for the | | Russian Embassy, 15-16-55? Ms, Goodpasture, Yes, Mr.Goldsmith. What do the other numbers signify? Ms, Goodpasture,, The other numbers refer to numbers that were used on the machine doing the recording.. Mr.Goldsmith, The number 0921-1320. What does that -~ i} Ms. Goedpasture. The hours. that were covered on that Mr. Goldsmith. Miss Goodpasture, when did the informa- tion contained in this transcripttfirst come to your atten- tion? Ms. Goodpasture,. Probably the day after it was recorded. Mr. Goldsmith, Was that.the first time that Lee Harvey | Oswald came to your attention? Ms, Goodpasture. Yes. Mr. Goldsmith. What action, if any, did you take upon receiving this information? | Ms.. Goodpasture. What action? Mr, Goldsmith, Right, How did you respond to receiving! this ifnormation? Ms. Goodpasture, Well, the tape, the reel, was taken to the Russian transcriber. Now I am not sure whether that 001214 ALDERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC.