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15 | a 0 _ If it is a matter of dollars and cents, I would be happy to have him as chief counsel mysel£. I would much rather give hi up for a week to go up to Cornell and let him get compensated than to go on the stand in the nature of the testimony that he is an expert witness. The $2,500. would be paid by the defense counsel for the Mafia. That. leaves mea little shakey | ‘Mr. Sawyer. That bothers me, too. | | The Chairman. I think on that point, I think the com- mittee has well stated its opinion and the Chair understands. Mr. Fauntroy. Mr. Chairman, I just had two questions . and one comment. The question first is, when would he be _ available -- Mr. Blakey? The Chairman. He is available, I think, within a period 30 7TH STREET, S.W. REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON , D.C, 20024 (202) 554-2345 14 of two weeks, and he stressed the fact economically his situation 1$ is such, while he and his family are not starving, his 16 economic situation is — such that he cannot miss a two-week 17 | pay period. If he misses a two-week pay period he said they 13 would be in trouble. | | Mr. Fauntroy. Do I understand he has nine children? / Mr. Sawyer. I believe. | n| Mr. Fauntroy. Six children, a Protestant having attended ez 2 | Notre Dame | | | ! 99 Mr. Dodd. No, he is a Catholic. | ® 24 | Mr. Fauntroy. I was wondering how he made it. | 25 . | Mr. Dodd. ‘Seven children. ! | 4 Qe. NW 54756 Docla:32266577 Page 23 - ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
a 31 16 Mrs. Burke. He said they will be going to college soon. 2 ‘Mr. Fauntroy. My second question is, is.it possible for 3 our chief counsel to accept honoraria and outstanding income 4 at all? .I think we had some arrangement with Mr. Sprague. The Chairman. Under the House rules and, of course, if you remember, if you recall, on the floor we had debate. I assured menbers that the individual selected would work full time and not have outside income. That has been expressed to the: House, so that is the position we are in. - - Me. Fauntroy . The final question with respect to Mr. . Blakey has to do with his previous work, the McClellan commission. ts that the committee for which Mr. Manuel worked, ;:.does anyone know?’ Mr. Lennon. It was my understanding that Mr. Manuel worked for the Jackson Subcommittee on. Investigations. ee ed . Mr. Thone. He worked for the Senate International Committ e, one of the witnesses told us. . | | Mr. Fauntroy.. I just want to get that clear in my mind. | _Mr. Thone. I assume Blakey worked on S. 1 and all that. | Mr. Lennon. I think that is correct. I would want to chec that out, sir, before I give another answer. A 300 77 STREET, S.U. REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 2024 (202) $$4-2345 4 waa ea Mr. Dodd. I talked to Mr. Blakey about S. 1. He was involved in an original draft of S. 1. By the time he left there was. one draft and then the draft that caused the furor @ 24 tat 1) he was not responsible for. It was the original draft. I _— : — enn to nena mem 6 gee cane ee ete gt ents cere on ee ni ee oo oe NN a ee 6 earner ema re a rns | | HW 54756 Docld: 42266577 Page 24 - ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
17 7 32 brought that point up with him. | | 2 | | So those members - ‘who might have b -been concerned about that | aes he was not involved “in ‘that period of ‘time when. there was -<- " Mr. Thone. To answer Mr. Fauntroy, he never was associated Es a with the Senate International Security Committee. z é | Mr. Dodd. The only committee I know he was associated g 1 with is what: appears on his resume. ‘The title of that com- 5 a! mittee was Subcommittee on Criminal Laws and Procedures. ' | | Mr. Thone. That is an entirely different subcommittee. : 0 | Mr. Fauntroy. That satisfies me, Mr. Chairman. I would 2 1 | hope we would move expeditiously ‘on this $ 2 | recommendation that you select the chief counsel of your @ : 13 | choice “-- we suspect that will be Mr. Blakey -- and apprise z id H him of the concerns we have with the testimony in behalf of wn : | the Mafia. | e | The Chairman. Can the Chair just assume he has the = | authority — to go ahead and select counsel and arrange for hire? § Mr. Edgar. I recommend we not approach the press until | : | ‘you get an affirmative decision. ; ; 20 || The Chairman. Yes, and I would hope this committee, unti | such time we have the confirmation by the individual and this @ ie: | committee, of course, would make no statement regarding the =| chief counsel, | Mr. Fithian. Mr. Chairman -- The Chairman. Yes? wD ~ HWW 54756 Docld: 2266577 Page 25 ALCZRSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
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- 36 philosophy on the investigation so that we do ‘not have. another situation where. he might be saying something inadvertently that the committee would not particularly appreciate. | Me. Eagar. tf I may respectfully disagree. 1 think we should just indicate to Mr. Blakey that he is coming on new. He doesn't know the issues of the task group. I. think there is a lot of work we need to do after he arrives. But I would hate for us to hold up his selection and appointment and bring him down for a skull session. .I just think it is really — imperative we do this efficiently and all good speed. The Chairman. I might say on that point, one of the | | | | | | | 300 7TH STREET, S.W. REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 29024 (202) S5"-2345 12° | things he and I discussed, we discussed his views toward the e 13 || way the investigation ought to be conducted. One of the things 14 | he said was that if he were selected; he would want to hold 1S: one press conference for the purpose of announcing to the press 16 [that there would be no more press conferences and that this: 7 | investigation then proceed out..of sight of the public until 18 | such time as you have it prepared in a way that you could | 15 | come forward with it. I think he is astute enough and sophisti 20 || cated enough to know the #ii11 well enough to know how to handle the Hill's at | press. — | - | | ! i | ; . etl eel . 23 | to suggest that we consider for the edification for both new pe 22 _ Mr. Fauntroy. On that point,.Mr. Chairman, I would like | : : | | | 26 | chief counsel and all members of the committee a closed session | . i} ' @ | | ' j ! 25 | ' i t Yu HW 54756 Docld:322766577 Page 29 where all of the staff personnel under the leaderhhip of their ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
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