104-10322-10249 ed BLLHISI ECU Lo 7 Z ORLY . Lt ny ONEEAL “{] SEUREE | ¢ ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET oe SUBJECT: (Optional) FROM: "Ken Knaus ~ - EO/DDO TO: (Officer derignation, room sumber, and building) — —_ sate , 24 November 1976 i. aa Officers _ COMMENTS (Number each comment to show from whom [romwaroen | | INGRALS to whom. Draw a fine aeross column after each comment.) . FORWARDED iL You asked the other day - |. about public statements made | by either Mr. Bush or Mr. Colby concerning Agency policy on assassinations. Attached is far more. than I am sure you ever wanted to. know about this subject. | You will note however, among all this. verbiage the only - really explicit public state- ment against assassinations or at least the only one that the computer has recorded. is the one made by Mr. Colby in his TV appearance in . ; October 1975. Mr. Bush's only public reference is in a an implicit rejection. Would |. you please return these. statements if you have no nee¢ for them as I assume ‘the. . subject will reoccur each time ” the new investigating committer turns the ‘Subject over. . e = ae 9 Bo oo tw S x > Ww 7 e610 MENS (] secrer 1] CONFIDENTIAL [[] [STERNAL = (7) UNCLASSIFIED
1300000 2 . See em eh em +.0 ° 0 0 CLIP@aRRSS SRL , PE MILL TAN £. COLBY TY APPEARANCE OCTOBER 5. 1975 > AND THAT IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE TIMES, IN THE 195@°S AND 1960°S, THERE WERE THING = THAT WERE CONSIDERED QUITE APPROPRIATE AT THAT TIME WHICH ARE NO LONGER CONSIDERED A PRPRUPRIATE. HERMAN: SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THE BRERK-IN ON DR. ELLSBERG’S PSYCHINIRIS| 2 THE PEGPLE WHO BROKE IN, WE KNOWN FROM THEIR TESTIMONY, BELIEVED THEY HERE pathic EME THING RIGHT AND PROPER FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. CULBY: AND I THiet FRA T'S 4 QUESTION FOR A JURY TO DECIDE. I DON’T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. IT’S NOT FOR ME tr: Pores CE. IM ESPRESSING MY BELIEF. HERMAN: BUT DON’T YOU HAVE A FEELING ARGUT IT? Core. Ti AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AS T KNOW IT, HE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OF CUR EMPLOYEES ACTOS. me HVICTED, WISE: MR. COLBY, 00 YOU THINK THAT, THE CIR SHOULD KILL THE POLITICAL io: |. = IN OTHER COUNTRIES? AND HAVE THEY EVER DONE SC OR ATTEMPTED To pO sO? COLBY: Toe lee eels TURNED DOWN SUGGESTIONS TO TH FFECT. IN 39273 SUED DIRECTIVES TP icit wd A. mittee” MIT Tao Ti Cl) llr lt) ett oe Tritt tL NOT SCI ANLLA Le Pee ia Plog ” “Lent oabmananl dc Lassi ok baie el aman enue on cnZocadenb lt teat Eiteebeiset te bemen bette emetitit Sali eames et ‘ a LL aint ’ Gibb eee td DOO MUP THIRR THis SUBJECT A GUUD UNE Tl Gd THito POEL CO. bi Scuss TONS WE FOR TWO REASONS. I THINK WE CAN SEAR INTO GUR NATICNAL HISTORY A VERY DAMAGING HOUN Bb. AND fT THINK, SECONDLY. THAT SOME OF THE FACTS CF THESE THINGS, BECAUSE GF THE WAYS THESE MATTERS HERE DISCUSSED AT THE TIMES, ARE VERY MUREY AS TO WHO WAS FART OF IT AND HHERE THE-APPROVAL AND HOM DETAILED THE APPROVAL WAS. WISE: BUT YOURE SAYING THAT IT HAS A SUBJECT. COLBY: IT 1S NOT A SUBJECT FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. WISE: ARE YOU SAYING THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT OR. COLE’: I AM SAYING THE SITUATION WAS VERY MURKY AND THAT IT Pe EALLY DON’T BELIEVE THAT THIS SUBJECT IS AN APPROFRIATE ONE FOR AN OFFICIAL TO BE TALK ING ABOUT. WISE: BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THE FACTS ABOUT IT TREN? COLBY: WE HAVE BR TER Ee ALL THE FACTS TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE. THE’ HAYE EXAMINED THE MATTER INCEPENDE HS WELL. AND T THINK THEY CAN COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THE BASIS OF THE EVIDENCE AvrILa GLE TO THEM. BUT I DG NOT BELIEVE IT APPROPRIATE FOR OPEN PUBLIC DISCUSSION, BEChiu.® THINK WE CAN HURT GUR COLINTRY VERY SERIQUSLY. SCHORR: DOES THAT MEAN WHEN SENATOR cu BALE MENTIONS, AS HE DID IN A SPEECH THIS WEEK. THE EXISTENCE OF § GROUP CALLED THE EY ECUTIVE ACTION GROUP FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS IN THE EARLY SIXTIES WHICH HAS CHARGED WITH RESPONSIGILITY FOR MAKING PLANS, HYFOTHETICAL OR NOT, FOR THE ASSASSINATION GF VARIGU = PERSONS, THAT YOU" OD RATHER NOT TALK ABOUT THIS? COLEY: WE HAVE REPORTED EVERYTHING oO N THIS GENERAL SUBJECT TO THE COMMITTEES. BUT I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IT’S APPROPRIATE FG R PUBLIC GISCUSSION. SCHORR: YOU DON’T DISPUTE THE LITTLE THAT SENATOR MONDALE HAS TOL O ABOUT? COLBY: T DON’T SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I JUST GON’ T BELIEVE THE SUBJECT 15 HPPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. PUBLIC DISCUSSION WHEN THE SENATE REPORT COMES ouT.. COLEY: THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION, SCHORR: THERE HAS BEEN. COLBY : BUT I BON’ T THINK IT APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO DISCUSS IT IN GREAY DETAIL. HERMAN: ARE Y OU SATISFIED WITH THE PROSPECTS FOR SECURITS OF WHAT YOU HAVE TOLD THE THO COMMITTEES? COLBY: JT THINK OUR RECORE TO DATE HAS BEEN QUITE . S000 IN THE SENATE. HERMAN: NO. I°M TALKING ABOUT THEM WR. COLRY COoLeayY: YES GO VOU THINK THAT THEY WILL KEEP SECURE THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT KEPT SECURE? COLE: WELL» I THINK THE SENATE HAS KEPT ITS MATTERS QUITE CAREFUL. HE HAD A DISsc % . SS1UN LAST WEEK, AS YOU KNOW, WHITH THE HOUSE COMMITTEE AS TO THE GETAILS OF HOW Me wou LD OO THINGS. AND I THINK THAT IS AN ARRANGEMENT: IT’S A COMPROMISE ARRANGEMENT, AM? ft TOHFFOROS A VEHICLE FOR REASONABLE MEN TO COME TO GOOG CONCLUSIONS AS TO WHAT SHOULS Q E EXPOSED AND WHAT SHOULD BE KEPT QUIET. THERE MAS BE SOME INPIVIBURL LEAKS. ‘YoU JOURN ALISTS ARE VERY ENERGETIC IN PROSECUTING THE POSSIBLE STATEMENTS OF ONE MAN AND COMPRAR ING IT WITH ANOTHER ANC ADDING UP TO AN OVERALL STORY. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE OISCI PLINE OF THE SENATE ANG THE HOUSE COMMITTEES AND THEIR STAFFS NOULD BE AS GOOD AS THE OISCIPLINE OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. AND NEITHER WILL BE PERFECT. NEITHER ARE PERFECT a t THE MOMENT. BUT IT WOULD HOPE THAT HE AMERICANS, AS WE TRY TO MAKE INTELLIGENCE RESPa NSTBLE, HE CAN BE RESPONSIBLE QURSELYES IN THE WAY WE DO IT. MISE: NR. COLBY. You SAID THAT ASSASSINATION IS NOT A GOOR SUBJECT TO BE DISCUSSING PUBLICLY. BUT AT A HERRING ABOUT THO WEEKS AGO. YOU DISPLAYED THAT POISON DART GUN AT THE CHURCH COMMITTEE HEARIN G IN THE SERRATE. AND TI WONDEREG IF THAT GUN OR THAT TYPE GF HEAPON HAS BEEN USEO AGAIN ST ANY FOREIGH POLITICAL FIGURES. COLBY: THE GUN HAS NOT BEEN USED. THE GUN HAS BROUGH { UP THERE BECAUSE THE SENATE COMMITTEE RATHER INSISTED ON ITS BEING THERE. I DIDNT ¥ ULUNTEER IT. CERTAINLY, BUT IT HAS A PART OF THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE ca MATTTEE. ANO THERE WAS REALLY NO REASON TO SAY THAT IT WAS SO HIGHLY CLASSIFIED THrr I T COULD NOT BE EXPOSED. SCHORR: MR. COLBY. AS ONE GETS AROUND THIS COUNTRY, ONE FINDS THAT GHE OF THE THINGS THAT MILL NOT GO AWAY IS THE POPULAR MISUNDERSTANDING AEGQUT THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY. I GUESS YOU'VE RUN INTO THAT. AND TIME AND TIME A GAIN, PEOPLE ASK ME. ANDO I GUESS THEY’ VE ASKED YOU, -DID THE CIA BDO IT?- I SAID -AS FA RRS I RNOH. THE CIA HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION OR AN Y CONSPIRACY IM THIS COUNTRY AGAINST ANY AMERICAN FUBLIC FIGURE.~ BUT.. COLBY: CORRECT 4
13-00000 | .' SCHORR: <QNE OF OTHE REG HS THET PEOPLE < DON’ Ts UNDERSTF ~ . THE ROLE OR “LACK: OF ROLE wi a CIA IS THAT THERE ARW THINGS. THAT THE CLA DID KNOW QUT TANGENTIALLY CONNECTED. Fir D WHICH APPARENTLY DION’ T. COME GUT. I¢°M TALKING ABOUT,: FOR EXAMPLE, THE SERIES: GF. tN FIRACIES TO TRY. TO: KILL CASTRO. WHICH WAS NEVER (COMMUNICATED: TO. THE: WARREN: COMMISS: Gh: -. AS FAR AS-I KNOWL “JOHN MCCONE.. AS DIRECTOR, HELNS, AS DEPUTY: DIRECTORS: TESTIFIED. ‘Pree DION’ T TELL -THE WARREN - ‘COMMISSION ANYTHING.ABOUT THAT.. WOULD -YOU CARE,”..IF YOU FEEL THEE T WAY, TO SAY THAT COVERING’ UP THINGS THAT: DION’ T MATTER LIKE THAT..- “DIDNST ‘MATTER THAT: MUCH -- IT WAS’ A MISTAKE AND GETS THE CIA BLAMED FOR A LOT OF THINGS “IT. DIDN’T DG? CO LBY:.WELL,. THE CIA IS SOMEWHAT ACCUSTOMED TO BEING BLAMED FOR A LOT OF. THINGS: -IN -THAT CASE; ‘CIA DID PROVIDE TO. THE WARREN COMMISSION EVERYTHING ‘IT ‘KNEW ABOUT. THE ASSASSINA | TION: ABOUT OSWALD AND SO FORTH. IT DID NOT APPARENTLY. DISPLAY -THIS- MATTER... BUT YOU MU - ST REMEMBER THAT. MR. ALAN. DULLES HAS 7. MEMBER. OF THE. WARREN COMMISSION: » "AND. HE. CERTAIN | LY KNEW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS GENERAL SUBJECT? RHD HE COULD. HAYE:. ‘BROUGHT THAT QUESTION IN VERY EASILY. -SCHORR:.-CAN YOU SAY NOW - THAT: OTHER THAN ITS ~ TRVOLVEMENT. “WITH CASTRO. AN -® THAT WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT.-HAYE BEEN. INVOLVED. WITH: WHAT WAS. GOING: sIN OSWALD’S MIND » THAT. THE CIA HAD NO CONNECTION WITH -GQSHALD -- NO CONNECTION. -- ts) NOT HIDING: AMYTHIN G IN THE WAY THAT WERE: FINDING OUT THE. FBI ‘DESTROYED CERTAIN: DOCUMENTS, | THAT THE CIA. HAS. NOTHING ° FURTHER: /TO-REVEAL ABOUT THE: KENNEDY. “ASSASSINATION? “COLBY = ‘CERTAINLY’ HOT, N. OT ABOUT. MR. OSWALD’ GR-ABGUT THE ASSASSINATION: “HE. PROVIDEO’ ALL: THE ‘MATERIAL WE HAD OT. AT WAS IN ANY- WAY RELEVANT TO°THE MATTER TO: ‘THE -HARREN COMMISSION,  WLTH THE ° NEE CEES EPTION OF THE. POSSIBLE STORIES . ABOUT MR. CASTROL WHICH I THINK HERE. CONSIDERED AS .. oy. RELEVANT. AT THE TIME MWISES. MGULDN’T THE CLA HAVE. WANTED TO.- ‘BRIEF. 7 OSHALO. CEBRIEF “HIM: WHEN. HE. ‘CANE BACK FROM THE “SOVIET. UNTON:” ASK. ‘H TRAVEL - S IN THE SOVIET \-UNION?. I¢ VE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THAT. cCOLBY: WELL Be WAS SOME CO. NSIDEATION: OF: THAT. : -»BUT.HE HAD OTHER ‘CONNECTIONS; . OTHER. CONTACTS; “AN DEBRIEFING Cc OULD HAVE BEEN. HANDLED»: THROUGH -THAT. (NISE:-1 DON?T: ‘UNDERSTAND... COL E-HAD SOME .GTHE. R CONTACTS: AS Io THINK: HAS COME. OUT IN THE RECORD,: “WITH THE. UNLTE TES BOVERNUENT: zn ca OTHER ASPECTS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. AND, ANY: OEBRIEFING THAT WAS. APPROPRIA EN HANDLED THROUGH’. THAT. MANNER. WISE: ARE -YOU.-SUGGESTING. THE. Fer giiGHT HAVE-INTERVIEWE.: D HIM? COLBY: I. THINK THERE. IS IN. THE RECORD TH El FACT THAT ‘MAS SOME CONTACT EARLY ON Wt ITH THE FBI..-HERMAN: WHEN. Yoo ses. - " an
1 AN YOU TELL US. HOW “MANY AMERICANS: AR S600 oO oA ‘CLIPeeee23 : Lo “cOLBy oN MEET THE PRESS 2 : H Oe oe, ba. a ee S WAS: INDIGENOUS OR: WAS: BEING STIMULATED AND: SUPPORTED. By, FOREIGN | IN] ELLIGENCE. oR SECU: RITY SERVICES, MR, GELB: BUT OUP ON STUDIES. SHOWED THAT THESE HERE NOT COMNECTED WITH - FOREIGN” INTELLIGENCE: ‘ACTIVITIES. MR. COLBYS AND 1T*S BY STUDYING ITs. WE - FOUND: THEY WES RE NOT CONNECTED. Fo WE-HAD. NOT. STUDIED. ITs: WE COULD NOT. MAKE THAT. FINDING): “NR. GELS: BUT YOU COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT: BY SAYING. YOU-HOULD HAVE.TO KEEP STUBYING: “SOMEIHI RG £ OREVER TO INSURE. IT;-DIDN’T. HAVER FOREIGN CONNECTION. MR, COLBY:. NO,°.T DON“ T. THINK SOU YOU RESPOND TOA PRESENT NEED, ff PRESENT ‘PROBLEM. A PRESENT. DANGER... WE TERMINATED - THIS OPERATION A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. BECAUSE THE. PROBLEM. HAS. GONE. AWAY IN -GREAT- ‘PART: ¢ » AND. CONSEQUENTLY THERE IS NOT A REASON: FOR CONTINUING THAT KIND OF..AN EFFORT TO IDEN ; TIFY FOREIGN LINKS TO AMERICAN DISSIDENT GRGANIZATIONS. MR. ROSS: SENATOR CHURCH SAYS” THAT HIS INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS NOT SEEN ABLE TO FIND EVIDENCE -OF AN ORDER FROM "ANS Y PRESIDENT TG THE CIA. TG. PLAN ASSASSINATIONS. DOES THAT | MEAN | THE - CIA (WAS: ACTING: ON iT S OWN IN THIS AREA? MR. COLBY: i DON’T BELIEVE “THAT I NANT - ‘TO TALK ABOUT: ‘THE: "SUBJECT OF. ‘ASSASSINATION WERE A PART OF ANY. SUCH ACTIVITY IS NOT VERY CLEAR. “WE. HAVE REPORTED ON THIS FULLY TO “C THIS ISA VER | Y DIFFICULT AND COMPLEX SUBJECT. SOME OF THE FACTS ARE NOT WELL KNOWN OR NOT WELL RECO - RDED, AND SOME OF THE DEGREE TO WHICH VARIOUS PEOPLE WITHIN AND OUTSIDE. .OF ‘THE AGENCY THE COMMITTEES AND“WE WILL DO $Q, BUT I DO NOT THINK IT APPROPRIATE. FOR PUBLIC DISCUSS : ION. MR. ROSS: LET ME TURN TO ANOTHER AREA THEN. THE.CIA PLACED THE. SHAH OR IRAN “BACK GN HIS’ THRONE IN THE MID-FIFTIES. THE SHAH IS NOW ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL REASONS WHY HE . ARE PAYING A GREAT.-DEAL MORE MONEY FOR OUR OM. IN THIS INSTANCE, AS IN OTHERS, MIGHTH “T IT HAVE BEEN BETTER. TO JUST ALLOW EVENTS TO TRKE THEIR ‘NORMAL’ COURSE? MR. cole: A D ALLOW THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF IRAN TO TAKE OVER. THAT COUNTRY? I DOUBT THAT. THIELE GU WOULD HAVE BEEN. STOPPED. FROM THE OIL LONG BEFORE THIS. MR. ROSS: WOULD NOT OIL Paid: IBLY BE CHEAPER, BEING BOUGHT FROM ‘THE COMMUNIST COUNTRIES? WE HAVE ENGAGED IN, SOME Sis RT OF AN ATTEMPT TO NEGOTIATE. 3 S TO PREVENT IT. IN THE SEVENTIES WE HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS. OF NEGOTIATION WITH A COMM UNIST WORLD WHICH IS, ITSELF, DIVIDED IN THE: SINO-SOVIET SPLIT. YOU HAVE-A TOTALLY DIF. OR NATURAL cas FROM: THE ‘SOVIET UNTON. MLGHTNS T fHAT BE R eucerés paiee THAN WE ARE PRY | ING OUT OF. THE PERSIAN GULF RIGHT NOW? MR. COLBY: IN THE MID-FIFTIES,. THE PROBLEM OF C - OMMNUNIST EXPANSION WAS AVERY GREAT DANGER AROUND THE WORLD, AND WE DID A LOT OF THING bale met FERENT STRATEGIC SITUATION WE ARE FACING TODAY THAN THE ONE WE FACED.IN THE FIFTIES. .M - R. SPIVAK: THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN DEEPLY CONCERNED BY THE STORIES OF CIA INVOLVEMENT IN P LOTTING TO. ASSASSINATE FOREIGN LEADERS. DON’T YOU THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER. TO RELEASE THE FULL AND TRUE. STORY LEST RUMORS AND SPECULATIONS MAKE IT SEEM A LOT WORSE THAN IT: 1S? MR. COLBY: NOJ-MR. SPIVAK. THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE AGENCY ARE. QUITE CLEAR, THAT TH E AGENCY WILL NOT. ENGAGE IN, SUPPORT OR STIMULATE OR CONDONE ASSASSINATION: AT THIS Tim E. THOSE INSTRUCTIONS HAVE BEEN ISSUED BY THE. ‘AGENCY FOR: SEVERAL YEARS NON. “MR... SPIVAK .- : WE ARE: TALKING ABOUT:,THE PAST THOUGH. MR... COLBY: I.DO NOT:-THINK: IT USEFUL.'TO OUR Cou: NTRY TO GO-INTO.A “GREAT. EXPOSURE .OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED. IN- THE FIFTIES. AND SIXTIES. A: NO I THINK THAT ‘THAT :SUBJECT ‘HAD BEST: BE SETTLED BY. ADOPTING ALFIRM: POLICY: ATITHIS POL: NT NOT TO -USE- SUCH ACTIVITY AND LETTING THE PAST STAY. QUIET. MRe “SPIVAK: MAY< I) TAKE YO"; U TO.ONE THING THAT’ IS HAPPENING NOW? RUMORS, ARE BEING SPREAD THAT: THE CIA IS SOPMEHON - INVOLVED IN ATTEMPTS:;TO GET, RID OF PRIME MINISTER INDIRA GANDHI. ~ CAN “YOU. CATEGORICALLY © — STATE THATNR.: COLBY? .I CATEGORICALLY DENY THAT.. MR: SPIVAK: ~=1S- CIA LNOTSTNVOLVED IN ANY WAY? MR. COLBY: I CATEGORICALLY DENY THAT. MR. ROWAN: THE ROCKEFELLER REPORT SAID THAT ONE OF. THE - CIA’ S: COMPUTER SYSTEMS HAD INFORMATION ON 308, 998 AMERICANS IN IT. YOU HAVE TESTIFIED -TRAT. THE CIR, HAINTRINS | 4G. TO. 58. ‘SUCH . ‘RECORD: SYSTEMS A WONDERING, C ?
13-00000 ro 0" “ge cLIPeaee3: sri oe cm aS Li NOVENBER 26. (1975, 40: 80 Pi INTERVIEW. SEGHENTS WITH ‘coLey BY DAN EY OSWALD. SR2 Le PART. Ea CBS REPORTS INQUIRY ON | assAsstanrroNs, HTOR Ww oBS. NETWOR L2 DAN. RATHER: “SOME CRITICS: OF THE WARREN REPORT BELIEVE. ‘OSHALD MAS. “TRATNED AS: A SPY ti HILE IN THE MARINE CORPS AND WAS. TAUGHT THE. RUSSIAN LANGUAGE IN- ANTICIPATION ‘OF. BEING» SENT TO.RUSSIA. “WILLIAM COLBY,. THE PRESENT DIRECTOR. OF THE. CIA, .SAYS: THAT 1S: NOT TRUE. . DIRECTOR COLBY,.” “DED. THE CIA RECRUIT LEE HARVEY OSHALD. bHEN. HE- HAS © TNS “THE: MARINES. AND ~ SEND HIM TO RUSSIA? COLBY: NO. WE HAD. NO CONTACT: WITH’ MR. OSWALD. - “RATHER: NO-CONTACT B EFORE HE WENT TO. THE. SOVIET ° ‘UNION? COLBY: NO..cONTACT WITH HIM. BEFORE: ‘HE. WENT “TO ‘THE $0 VIET UNION. NO CONTACT. WITHOHIM AFTER HE RETURNED FROM THE: SOVIET. UNION. NOUCONTACT WI TH HIM WHILE HE: WAS IN. THE. SOVIET - UNION, RATHER : DID ANYONE. WITHTHE: CIA-DEBRIEF OSWAL D WHEN HE. RETURNED: ‘TO THIS “COUNTRY? -COLBY<s NGs THE CIA DID°NOT DEBRIEF HIM. ./I°THINK TH ERE ARE SOME UNCLASSIFIED... OR’ DECLASSIFIED. REPORTS OF FBI. -DEBRIEFINGS; ‘BUT (THE: CIA Df O HOT DEBRIEF. HIM: RATHER: I SAY TO YOU, AS “I.HAVE BEFORE, THAT -THAT*S. DIFF LCULT. FOR M. ANY PEOPLE. AND» IN. ALL CANDOR. DIFFICULT. FOR: ME TO. BELIEVE: THAT A’ YOUNG, MAN SIN THE M “ARINES GETS OUT-OF. THE MARINES. GOES TO THE: ‘SOVIET UNION, MARRIES A-RUSSTAN ‘WOMAN, Moy ES. BACK ‘TO. THIS COUNTRY, COMES BACK INTO THIS SOCIETY: AND IT IS: ‘DIFFICULT.- TO.BELIEVE- THAT THE CIA DID NOTs: UNDER. SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, DEBRIEF HIM. .COLBYs, RIGHT. WEEL,. 1 THI - NK -= I: UNDERSTAND YOUR:.DOUBT ON THIS QUESTION: “I. THINK YOU HAVE. To. ‘LOOK. AT. THE CIRCUM STANCES. MR... OSHALD: WAS:NHAT CAN BE CALLED.A DEFECTOR: TO THE: ‘SOVIET UNTON. “WE: ore: AVE fi REPORT ON MR. OSWALD...WHICH THE FRI: GAVE TO!US,. ABOUT IT.. WE. ALSO: RECEIVED:-S ney ERIAL FROM.THE EMBASSY IN: MOSCOW ABOUT MR: ‘QSHALD.. WHEN HE. TRIED ‘TO DISCLAIM. HES. Li Tz ENSHIP. NE HAD A LITTLE.FILE, THEREFORE, ON. MR. -OSHALDs WHICH. CONSISTED OF: THE TWO REF ORTS FROM -THE FBI..THE. THO. REPORTS FROM ‘THE EMBASSY -IN MOSCOW, AND ONE REPORT. FROM THE DEPARMENT OF NAVY -- THE MARINES, I THINK IT WAS -~ ‘INDICATING - SOME EXCHANGE. BETWEEN | THEM. THAT’S ALL WE HAD. UNTIL ROUGHLY OCTOBER OF 4963. RATHER: DURING. HIS. VISIT. TO MEX ICO IN SEPTEMBER 1963, YOU: HAD. OSHALD UNDER SURVEILLANCE AT’ BOTH THE RUSSIAN, “AND..CUBAN _ EMBASSIES? COLBY: NO." NO. NO. WE DID -NOT HAVE HIM UNDER SURVETLLANCE.: WE BECAME -AWARE OF A CONTACT HE MADE WITH EACH OF THOSE | EMBASSIES. RATHER: DID. YoU ‘MAKE. VOICE RECORDI NGS OF HIM? COLBY:<I THINK: THERE WERE, YES. RATHER: WHY WAS THE. WARREN. ‘COMMISSION GIVE NAR PHOTOGRAPH ‘OF ANOTHER MAN AT. THE: CUBAN. EMBASSY. WRONGLY IDENTIFIED ‘AS LEE HARVEY oO SHALD? COLBY: WELL:».. NASN’ T MRONGLY IDENTIFIED AS LEE HARVEY OSWALD.” WE KNEN THAT HE WAS IN THESE EMBASSIES AT A. CERTAIN DAY. AND HE LOOKED AT THE CAPABILITY WE:HAD TO PH OTOGRAPH CERTAIN THINGS. IN THE CITY. AND WE LOOKED: AT ~- THROUGH THE PHOTOGRAPHS... HOPI NG THAT WE COULD FIND... PERHAPS. A PHOTOGRAPH OF HIM AS HE CAME. IN OR NENT QUT: oF © oO: F THESE EMBASSIES. WE DID FOCUS ON.ONE WHICH NE THOUGHT MIGHT BE HIM. AND THIS Has “LS WN UP TO DALLA,. LABELED -AN UNIDENTIFIED WHITE MALE.- THAT WAS THE - IDENTIFICATICH aa | T. BUT IT WAS FLOWN UP- IN CASE IT COULD BE HELPFUL AT THAT TIME. BUT THERE WAS OY an P HOTOGRAPH WRONGLY LABELED: IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE MR. OSWALD, CLEARLY... AND WE, TS vHI S DAYS DON’T KNOM WHO HE IS... I , Cs, Cotes - ye
13-00000. + +o i) “9. “cLiPesee3s Pa tt _PRESS: CONFERENCE a9 NOVEMBER 1975 E UR EXTREHIST. ‘GROUPS. ‘ELTHER por tESTIC. oR FOREIGN, WHO MIGHT. FEEL. CALLED. ‘UPON TQ. TAKE. SOME SUCH. ACTION AGAINST THESE PEOPLE. I AM. CONCERNED BECAUSE ‘THE ‘TESTIMONY -GIVEN- IN T HE SENATE COMMITTEE WAS GIVEN WITH MY FULL ENDORSEMENT AND. SUPPORT. -WE WAIVED. THE SECR - ECY AGREEMENTS THAT APPLIED TG OUR EMPLOYEES. FOR EXAMPLE, WE. PROVIDED: LARGE AMNGUNTS o-: F DOCUMENTATION TO. THE SENATE COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY. WOULD BE FULLY. INFORMED GN THESE EVENTS. THE PEGPLE WHO DID TESTIFY. I BELIEVE IN soe FAITH, ANTICIPATED THAT THEIR EX | ECUTIVE SESSION TESTIMONY WOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED. THEIR EXPOSURE FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL ACTIVITIES. I AM CONCERNED THAT THERE BE ‘SOME. FEELING. THAT THERE BE AN OBLIGATION TO REVEAL THESE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE THERE IS SOME DISAPPROVAL OF THEM. . THIS DISAPPROVAL,’ O° F COURSE, IS SHARED BY: MANY OF US. THE PRESIDENT: HAS EXPRESSED HIS CLEAR POLICY AGHINS T RNY SUCH ACTIVITY. I HAVE ISSUED DIRECTIVES IN THIS AGENCY. THO YEARS AGO WHICH CLEAR - LY PROHIBIT ANY INVOLVEMENT IN ASSASSINATION ACTIVITY, SO THERE’S REALLY NO QUESTION A BOUT WHETHER THIS IS. GOOD OR BAD. IT IS BAD. THE REAL QUESTION IS WHETHER.WE WILL. IMPO 7 SEAN EXTRA LEGAL: RETALIATION ON PEOPLE NHO AT ONE TIME DID WHAT THE. GENERAL. CONSENSUS OF THE FEOPLE AND THE. COMMAND STRUCTURE AROUND THEM THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THE TI. ME. IT BELIEVE THAT. IF ‘THERE 1S DIAPPROVAL OF THESE ACTIVITIES, THERE ARE VEHICLES BY WHICH WE CAN TAKE STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THEY DO NOT RECUR. THERE ARE ALSO VEHICLES BY Hl. . HICH ANY PARTICULAR: PUNISHMENT COULD BE METED QUT ACCORDING TO THE LAW, BUT I THINK TH AT THE EXTRA LEGAL, EX POST FACTO EXPOSURE OF OUR PEOPLE TO HOSTILE AND IRRATIGNAL RET FLIATION IS NOT WITHIN THE TRADITION OF. OUR CGUNTRY AND. CERTAINLY. 1S TOO MUCH TO EXP ECT OF PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTARILY ACCEPTED THE LIMITATIONS OF LIVES .OF ANONYMITY AND SERVI CE TO THEIR COUNTRY .IN THE INTELLIGENCE BUSINESS. I THINK ONE PARTICULAR THING THAT CO TEVES HINSEL THE COMMITTEE RULE ON THIS SUBJECT WHICH SAYS THAT ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO BEL ES SHOULD BE - INCLUDED. ' QUESTION: IRRESPONSIBLE? MR. COLBY: NO, I WOULDN‘’T CALL. IT IRRE. SPONSIBLE. I THINK IT.IS WRONG TO EXPOSE THESE NAMES, BUT I DON‘ T THINK I*D. LIKE TO PU T DIFFERENT KINDS OF ADJECTIVES ON IT. QUESTION: "MR. COLBY, DOES THE WHITE HOUSE KNOW THAT YOU ARE MAKING THIS APPEAL? MR. COLBY: YES. QUESTION: WHAT SORT OF ACTIONS ARE AT TACHED TO THESE NAMES? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT--MURDER, OR...? MR: “COLBY: I°M NOT GO ING TO TALK ABOUT IT MYSELF. I HAVEN’T READ. THE REPORT ITSELF. I WAS TOLD BY MY OFFICE ° R THAT THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THERE IN A FASHION WHICH WOULD PUT THEM UNDER SOME. THREAT QUESTION: ARE THEY ASSOCIATED WITH SERIOUS CRIMES? MR. COLBY: THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WI TH THEIR ACTIVITIES: IN ‘PAST YEARS. WHICH I. THINK WE, MANY OF US, AND. IT, MYSELF, REJECT¢- TODAY. QUESTION: MR. COLBY, DID THE WHITE HOUSE SUGGEST. THAT YOU MAKE THIS APPEARANCE ? MR. COLBY: NO... T° O10. QUESTION: MR, COLBY.. IN THE PAST WE’ VE HAD SOME DIFFICULTY DRA NING YOU OUT ‘ON THE SUBJECT OF” ASSASSINATIONS. NON. IT APPEARS ‘THAT THIS -REPORT WILL BE = MACE PUBLIC. CAN I ASK YOU, IS IT YOUR POSITION IN ANY ACTIVITIES. THAT THE CIA BECAME | INVOLVED IN. THAT THEY WERE ACTING AT THE DIRECTION OF THE WHITE HOUSE? 1S THAT YOUR. POSITION--OR WILL YOU GIVE A POSITION? MR. COLBY: I REALLY AM NOT TOTALLY INFORMED ON THAT. THE COMMITTEE HAS CONDUCTED AN EXHAUSTIVE INVESTIGATION IN WHICH THEY’ VE LOOKED INTO A LOT OF THINGS OUTSIDE OF CIA, SO I’M SURE THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE WHOLE PICTURE | IS LARGER THAN THAT AVAILABLE TO ME. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE RECORD IN. CIA 15) Ai GEST, MURKY. AS TO EXACTLY WHO APPROVED WHAT. WHEN, AND THAT IS GNE OF THE..REASONS ove PEF. USED TO..GET INTO-A DETAILED DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 1 WOULD: REFER--YO-. TO ‘THE REPOR) “HHEN IT DOES COME OUT, : AS THE (RESULT OF THE COMMITTEE’S INVESTIGATION, INTO “THIS, © HOF: LLY, WITHOUT: THE NAMES. QUESTION: WHEN YOU. TALKED WITH THE OFFICER WHO READ .THE: REPO‘ HD onc YOU... DID. HE COMMENT. ALONG THE LINES. OF THE ‘QUESTION. IAM. ASKING: SION OF. THE COMMITTEE? MR: COLBY: NO,” 7 DION’T. “ASK. Hin THA oo: WAS.-ONL SECURITY PROBLEMS THAT WERE INVOLYED.. THAT’S WHAT WE. WERE INVITED TO-LOOK AT; THAT WAS THE PROBLEM THAT I FELT I WAS ASKED BY THE. ‘SENATE TO. MAKE A° JUDGMENT -ABOUT,:: AND: I -DID — I WAS NOT ASKED. TG REVIEW. THE ACCURACY. OR: -NONACCURACY: OF. THEIR. CONCLUSIONS, OF THEIR REGARDING THE C © Y ENTERESTED IN - ASSESSMENTS, OF. THEIR DETAILED REPORTS. QUESTION: IF-I COULD: FOLLOW: UP “FOR JUST.’R SEC ; OND... I. UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAS THE OFFICIAL. PROCEDURE, “BUT CAN@T ASK: YOU--HERE ‘THERE .. NO COPIES. WITHIN THIS. ORGANIZATION? MR. “COLBY:NO. HE“READ -IT. UP.’ THER ING ANY. HOME: . QUESTION: 1’M-NOT TALKING ABOUT: “THAT PARTICULAR ; COPY. OF NO OTHER COPIES, .AND I’M SURE THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER COPY... QUESTION Ro: > YOU CONSIDER: SCHEDULING. FINOTHER SUCH SESSION AS. THIS AFTER THEY - PROCEED. WITH: THE REP ORT? MR. COLBY: -WELLs: I STILL STAND ON. MY ‘DISAPPROVAL OF A. ‘DISCUSS LON: OF--ASSASSINATION . QUESTION: WOULD YoU. DISAPPROVE OF ANY SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION - THE: REPORT “SUBSEQUENT TO ITS PUBLICATION? . AR.. ‘COLBY: WELL, I°D.LIKE TO READ THE REPORT: T DETERMINE | THE ANS - WER TO THAT QUESTION.“ I. REALLY DON’T KNOW. QUESTION: “WILL: THE:.CIA .BE).AS: JPROVIDE. FROTECTION FOR. THESE..PEQPLE, IF, IN FACT, THEIR NAMES ARE PUBL ESHED?: MR. COLBY: HELLS: THERE’ S VERY LIMITED PROTECTION WE CAN GIVE: THEM IN THIS COUNTRY: WE’ DO-NOT. HAVE A POL. ICE SERVICE. HERE, OR. ANY” ‘SUCH ACTIVITY. ME WOULD. CERTAINLY HELP! THEM TO THE DEGREE WE -
13-00000 “couLD, “QUESTION: EARLIER,” “WHEN. you. WERE TALKING ‘REOUT HOSTILE. rOU- sap, vaRious GROUPS, HAS THERE BEEN” ANY EFFORT. TO pO A TRACE, FIND. OUT. THEIR ORIGINS? Re COLBS @.¢ _CERTAL. “ N CASES,. ES.2:.-T0 -FIND ~ WHAT. THE SGRIGIN OF: - BS yOu NOT ‘SIMPLY TOLD’ THE. SENATE: COMMITTEE. THEY CANT RELEASE. INFORMATION.” T.YOU HAVE. CLASSIFIED UNTIL YOU LET. THEM DQ IT?-MR..COLBY: BECAUSE’ I BELIEVE ‘THE. INFORMATION FROM _THE ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION INVESTIGATION WAS’ SENT UP THERE WITH THE-STATEMENT. THAT IT : WOULD BE HANDLED IN. A RESPONSIBLE MANNER BY. THE SENATE, THERE..WAS..NOTA: LEGAL. N TAKEN AT. THAT: TINE.: QUESTION: SENATOR: CHURCH MADE .8 ‘POINT OF. SAYIN S GIVEN TO. THEN: UNDER - ‘CLASSIFICATION, AND WHAT .I. DON’ T- UNDERSTAND =: TS) 2. TAKEN ‘THE STERN LEGAL.-POSITION, EITHER: YOU" OR’THE WHITE HOUSE,” THAT: " ILAR: CERCUMSTANCE OVER. THE CLASSIFICATION~~THE LAST .NEWS | CONFERENCE 4! HE. MATTER. OF- UNILATERAL DECLASSIFICATION: “WHY IS THIS NOT” UE. OF, _ N THAT. CASE. IT NAS: DECLASSIFIED. AND. I. SAID: TT—-WAS- WRONG. AT. THE: TIME: KED OUT A RELATIONSHIP HHICH AVOIDED THAT: KIND -OF.-THING HAPPENING AGA COLBY. “WHY SHOULD. ‘A REPORT, ON ASSASSINATION. PLOTS’ NOT BE. MADE. -PUGLI USE I THINK IT CAN’ HARM! OUR COUNTRY, AND I: THINK: THAT. THE: “EVIDENCE. (I ECAUSE OF THE ATMOSPHERE © IN WHICH THAT KIND. OF ACTIVITY. MAY. HAVE. TAK “S AND: 66°5 ANDI. SEE“THAT- NO BENEFIT TO.QUR COUNTRY IS TOBE. GAINED LOSS: TO QUR. COUNTRY." CIA HAS HAD A VERY HARD TIME FOR (THE: LAST .COUPL SULT. OF A-STRTEMENT OF NY TESTIMONY BEFORE: ONE OF. THE: COMMITTEES; TATE _MONY WHICH WAS “INAGCURATELY STATED AS CIA: ENGAGING IN’ DESTABILIZATION. “THAT. WORD “HAS B ECOME: A WORLDWIDE HORD.: PUT-IN MY: MOUTH, ALTHOUGH I. NEVER SAID TT) AND AT US: THAT PREC | ISE EXAMPLE. OFTHE KIND OF. THING THAT.I THINK WE WILL FACE IN THE FUTURE’ AS “HOSTILE SE- | RVICES; HOSTILE COUNTRIES. “HOSTILE POLITICAL GROUPS,. DELVE THROUGH: THE. “INDINIDUAL: ALLE | GATIONS,” QUOTATIONS. AND: MATERTAL THAT WILL SHOW IN A. REPORT. ON THIS SU CTs.AND: QriRoHe Pn COUN FOR: THE NEXT NUMBER: OF- YEARS. QUESTION: z ANERICANS: TO. KNOT EXTENT To. WHICH THE. “GOVERNMENT pID ENGAGE “IN PLOTTING A ATIONS? MR. COLBY:.NO. 1. THINK WE SHOULD. SHARE: AS MUCH INFORMATION AS-WE- CAN WITH OUR CITIZENS. AND I- ‘THINK: ‘THAT THE EXPRESSION OF: OVERALL’ CONCLUSIONS. AND FIRM RECOMHENDATI | ONS FOR THE FUTURE AS APPROPRIATE FOR A COMMITTEE. I’M. REALLY ONLY ARGUING ABQUT- THE B ETAILS OF IT AND, PARTICULARLY. THE NANES OF THE PEOPLE INVOLYED.. QUESTIGN: COULD WE’H- AVE THE BENEFIT.OF YOUR VIEWS ON THE REPORT AFTER ITS PUBLISHED? | “ARS. “COLBY: WWELIL. THA T IS AN ANSNER. TO AN EARLIER QUESTION AS TO WHETHER I’; ; 0 HAVE ANOTHER CONFERENCE AFTER. IT’S PUBLISHED, AND I HOULD HAVE: TO: “READ” IT ‘BEFORE. i¢ OULD ANSWER THAT: QUESTION. -QUESTION: COULD WE HAVE TELEPHONES IF -YOU.HAVE ANOTHER PRES S CONFERENCE? MR. .COLBY:. NE ‘CERTAINLY WILL TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT $ QONER THAN WE DID ‘TODAY: QUESTION: NO, I MEAN. TELEPHONES TO FILE ON? MR. COLBY: NE REA . LLY AREN’ T PREPARED: FOR. A. REGULAR PRESS CONFERENCE SITUATION HERE. QUESTION: MR. COLBY » HON MANY NAMES WERE REMOVED AT. THE CIA’S REQUEST FROM THE REPORT? HR. COLBY: WELL,
veer ee lances omen tes? 8 o- ‘cL 1600039. es oe oo cae Lt JANUARY. 245 1976 DANIEL, SCHORR INTERVIEWS WILLIAM E. COLBY | 7 Ee er en Joe tt ea a ee THERE HAS BEEN A NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BRINGING. AMERICAN. INT LLIGENCE. CLEA RLY UNDER AMERICA’S CONSTITUTION AND LEGAL SYSTEM, I THINK THE TRADITIONAL CONCEPT OF © © INTELLIGENCE WAS THAT SOMEHON IT WAS OUTSIDE OF LAW, IT REALLY DIDN‘’T.-HAVE ANYTHING MU: CH TO DO.NITH LAW, AND IT SOMEHOW WAS SOMETHING’ THAY NATIONS DID BUT DION’ T.- TALE AuQUT . HELL, THAT’S NO GOOD FOR AMERICA. WE EXPECT OUR GOVERNMENT TO WORK “UNDER. THE. (945 D UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, AND WE’VYE BEEN IN THE PROCESS. OF DEMONSTRATING. THAT "3 ARLY:-TO US IN THE INTELLIGENCE PROFESSLON; AS WELL AS: TO: THE AMERICAN FEOPLE SCHORR: DID YOU THINK THAT IT COULD BE HANDLED AS AN INTERNAL REFORM PROCESS ANY PUBLIC. EXPLANATION OR-PUBLIC RETRIGUTION? DIRECTOR COLBY:. NELL.. :I. THINK 2 ANKLY. BUT THEN WE WENT. THROUGH SIX MONTHS OF EXCITEMENT WITH ALL SORTS OF ACCUY. : AND SENSATIONALISM, AND I THINK. THE NORMAL CITIZEN IS INCLINED TO THINK THAT I SPEND MY DAY IN THIS OFFICE PLOTTING ASSASSINATIONS. WELL, THE ACTUAL FINDING OF- THE. COMMITT: EE WAS REALLY QUITE REVEALING, BECAUSE IT INDICATED THAT THIS AGENCY,.IN THE LAST 25 ¥ EARS, DID GO OUT TO TRY TO BRING ABOUT THE END OF THE LIFE OF THO INDIVIDUALS, NEITHER OF WHOM DIED AS A RESULT OF THAT EFFORT. THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE WHO’ VE BEEN KILLED I N THE PROCESS OF OPERATIONS. CERTAINLY: THERE ARE OUR OWN OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLE D, THERE ARE FOREIGNERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE COURSE OF REVOLUTIONS AND COUPS, T HINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT THERE HAVEN’ T BEEN ANY ASSASSINATIONS CONDUCTED BY THIS AGEN CY. SCHORR: BUT THEY TRIED. DIRECTOR COLEY: THERE WERE TWO SITUATIONS IN WHICH CLEARLY THIS PARTICULAR REFORT INDICATES THAT THERE WERE STEPS TAKEN HERE TO BRING THIS ABOUT BUT THEY DION’ T HAPPEN... AND, YOU KNOW, OVER 25 YEARS, TO SAY THAT THAT. CHARACTERIZES THE WORK OF THE AGENCY I THINK IS JUST PLAIN WRONG. AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PEGPLE A RE GOING TO SEE THROUGH THE SENSATIONAL TREATMENT TO THE REALITY 1HAT’S UNDERNEATH IT WHEN THEY GET A SERIOUS ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THE FACTS ACTUALLY WERE. SCHORR: ARE THERE PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT YOU TO CLEAN UP YOUR SHOP BECAUSE THEYRE AFRAIO OF THE CHAIN RE ACTION WHICH: HAY. AFFECT THEIR. CAREERS? DIRECTOR COLBY: OH, I DON’T -- I’¥VE-NEVER HEARD QF ANY SUGGESTION TO THAT EFFECT, NG. NO, .I THINK THAT ANY DIFFERENCES THAT MAY HAVE EXISTED IN HOW TO HANDLE THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION SITUATION WERE GOOD-FAITH DIFFERENCE © S$ AS TO HOW TO ENABLE A. VERY. IMPORTANT. INTELLIGENCE . FUNCTION AND AGENCY TO CONTINUE TO . SERVE THE COUNTRY. tIN, Sy vo 3 He ‘BEST NAY: IT CAN.’ “SCHORR: “YOU SAID THAT vou NEVER ‘ORDERED: ‘ANY ASSASSINATION AND © THAT YOU WERE NEVER PERSONALLY .INVOLVED IN ANY OF THOSE PLANS FOR ASSASSINATION. YET. ARE. YOU SAYING THAT NONE OF THE. THINGS THAT HAPPENED WAS ENOUGH TO” OUTRAGE YOU? DIRECTOR Co: OLBY: NO, I DON T.THINK’SO-+- THE ONES ‘THAT 1 KNEN OF; If DIDN“’-T.-KNOK- ANYTHING ABOUT TH | CSE TNO CASES. I. WAS. TELLING YOU ABOUT AT. THE TIME. I INDICATED -THAT: WHEN. I DISCOVERED — THEM, THEY WERE: LONG IN THE*PAST: -THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD BEEN THE SUBJECT OF DIRECTIVES TH AT WE WOULD NOT oo THAT ANYMORE; AND I REALLY DION’ T THINK ANYTHING .PARTICULARLY ABOUT -THEM AT THAT TIME.’ -SCHORR: (BEB BUT THERE WAS OPENING: OF MAIL AND.-A CERTAIN. AMOUNT 0. F ELECTRONIC’ SURVEILLANCE. AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF. PHYSICAL.:SURVEILLANCE. FIND. ° DIRECT OR COLBY: HELL. THE GPENING OF. ‘THE MAIL. I THINK, IS A VERY GOOD. EXAMPLE ‘OF: THE. PRO GLE -M WE HAVE. THE OPENING OF THE MAIL IS ILLEGAL: IT SAYS SO IN THE LAW. “NO QUESTICH FeOU T IT. AND ONCE WE DISCOVERED. IT, WE STOPPED ITj1N 1973. SCHORR: TWENTY. WEARS ‘LATER. D IRECTOR COLBY:. BUT LETS LOOK AT WHEN IT STARTED. AND, WHAT : 1T WAS DEVOTED. T ITO HAS A READING THE ‘MAIL (BETHEEN: THE. “UNITED OF DISCLOSURE HAS” PROBABLY ABOUT RUN. its COURSE, “AND VET THERE. 1s “RESIDUE, OF QUESTI | ONS. SOME, LIKE CHARLES COLSON. CONTINUE SUGGESTING THAT THERE WAS-A.SORT OF. A CONSPIR ACY IN THE CIA AGAINST THE NIXON WHITE HOUSE, THAT THE.CIA.PLAYED . SOME: PART. IN BRINGIN G DOWN NIXON. ANY TRUTH? DIRECTOR COLBY: ABSOLUTELY NOT. THIS AGENCY<HAS, LF--ANYTHING - vc I THINK THE RECORD. SHOWS ‘VERY CLEARLY THAT... IF ANYTHING, IT’S TOO. LOYAL. AND TOO RES - FONSIVE TO..PAST PRESIDENTS. -THAT IT 1S PRECISELY. RESPONSIVENESS. TO PRESIDENTS. THAT IN. . SOME CASES TODAY: IS NOW’ CRITICIZED, WHERE WE-HAVE REACTED. I THINK: GIVING. ‘THE RED WIG -; TO-MR. HUNT..WAS. AN EXAMPLE. OF RESPONDING TO“WHAT ‘SEEMED. TO BE A WHITE HOUSE, .: -PRESIDENT - IRLLY-SPONSORED, REQUEST. | AND WE SHOULDN*T. HAVE DONE: ITs.AND LATER-: AS SOON AS HE SAN THE DEPTH. TO WHICH IT “SEEMED TO .BE GOING: BUT ‘ABS LUTELY. NOT, NO. THERE’S NO CONNECTION.-IN THIS AGENCY WITH ANY CONSPIRACY. AGAINST:. MR. NIXON... “WE RES oetuT. ELY HAD NOTHING TO-DO: WITH THE ASSASSINATION, OF. PRESIDENT KENNEDY. : Te , WAY, THE CIA HAS BEEN, “INDEED... THE SCAPEGOAT OF.. rE. . THINK, STATISTICALLY, - YOU ‘CAN FIND THAT. THE ABUSES BY. THE: CIA: FREQUENTLY. LEAD “y AD. LINE, ‘ANG THEN LATER: WE FIND THAT THERE ARE’ CONSIDERABLY MORE’ OR THAT: THIS HAS. REELLY A SMALL PORTION.’ SCHORR:: IF YOU HAD TO PROJECT, WHAT -WOULD- YOU SEE >TH S:AGENCY, OR UND ER WHATEVER NAME IT. 1S,. LOOKING LIKE, SAY, 19 YEARS. FROM. NON? ‘DIRECTOR: COLBY: “TEN YEAR S FROM NOW. I THINK THAT ~~ THE THING I THINK WE -WILL SEE, THE “MOST EXCITING: CHANGES, . WILL BE THE INCREASE. IN: INFORMATION AND THE INCREASE “IN OUR. ABILITY.TO PERCEIVE. THE SU BTLETIES THAT EXIST-IN THE WORLD BETWEEN DIFFERENT. SOCIETIESs. BETWEEN DIFFERENT -CULTUR 7 ES, BETWEEN DIFFERENT. KINDS | OF -PEOPLES. | IN fl. WAY. OU KNOW. THE SLD. IDEA, “USED Jo -BE TH
13-00000.:«. «> i oO o- o cLipeavess - eS : OS as Thr “FEBRUARY. 2. 1976 cHrcAco TRIBUNE BOB WIEDRICH INTERVIEWS MILLTAM F ‘STRATEGIC SERVICES, “SAID HE HAD HOPED CONGRESSIONAL: INQUIRIES. MOULD. ‘PRESENT a BALANC . ED PORTRAIT OF CIA GPERATIONS. QUOTE I HOPED THEY WOULD DEMONSTRATE. OUR. MISTAKES OF TH: _E PAST 28 YEARS, BUT ALSO BRING OUT THAT WE HAD TAKEN CORRECTIVE ACTIONS. THROUGH A SER’. IES OF DIRECTIVES IN 4973, UNQUOTE COLBY. TOLD US. INCIDENTALLY, THAT ‘WAS. THE YEAR COLB. Y BECANE THE CIA DIRECTOR. QUOTE I ALSO HOPED ‘THE: INVESTIGATIONS: WOULD DESCRIBE’ WHAT I NTELLIGENCE WORK: IS ALL ABOUT, UNQUOTE:.HE CONTINUED.- ‘QUOTE UNFORTUNATELY,” THE “SENSATIO NAL QUALITIES OF: OUR WORK IS WHAT SOME OF THE PRESS AND CONGRESS PICKED UP ON. -UNQUOTE FOR EXAMPLE, COLBY CITED NEWS PHOTOS OF SEN. FRANK CHURCH, THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIA L_ ASPIRANT FROM IDAHO WHO SERVED AS SENTATE INTELLIGENCE . COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN... HOLDING A DART GUN DESIGNED BY CIA WEAPONS TECHNICIANS. QUOTE THE GUN WAS NEVER USED,: UNQUOTE C OLBY DECLARED. QUOTE. YET, THAT WAS THE END RESULT OF A SIX-MONTH INVESTIGATION. THE SA ME APPLIED TO ALL. THE ‘TALES OF ASSASSINATION PLOTS. THERE WERE ACTUALLY ONLY TWO TARGE TS AND NOBODY DIED. TAKE THE STORIES OF ALLEGEDLY MASSIVE DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE BY THE CIA. THE ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION CONDUCTED A FOUR-MONTH INVESTIGATION... AND IT FOUND TH AT MOST OF THE THINGS WE DID WERE PERFECTLY PROPER. SOME. GF THE THINGS WE. DID BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT TOLD US. TO.. THERE WAS A QUESTIONABLE. GRAY AREA. AND SOMEOF THE THINGS W —E DID WE SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE. WE SHOULDN’T HAVE OPENED MAIL. BUT REMEMBER. THAT PROGR : AM WAS STARTED IN 41953 IN THE MIDST OF THE COLD WAR. WHEN RUSSIA WAS A CLEARLY DEFINED - THREAT AND WE MONITORED MAIL TO AND FROM THE SOVIET UNION. THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN SEN SATIONALIZED AND THEY HAVE OBSCURED THE REAL NATURE OF RMERICAN INTELLIGENCE. If 1S TH — BEST IN THE WORLD. IT OPERATES UNDER THE LAN AND THE CONSTITUTION. ‘HAS REVOLUTION IZED THE .PROFESSION. OF. INTELLIGENCE BY UTILIZING OPENLY AND: CLANDESTINELY. ACQUIRED INF "EST nate OUR SUPERIOR: TECHNOLOGY | HAS CHANGED: THE WHOLE FRAME OF REFERENCE. WE USED TO “THE NUMBER. OF MISSILES THE RUSSIANS MIGHT HAVE. TODAY, WE COUNT ‘THEM AND. MEASURE THEM BY TECHNICAL MEANS - AN EYE IN THE SKY (SATELLITES). PHOTOGRAPHY, AND ELECTRONICS. AND WE HAVE DEVISED NEW WAYS. TO ANALYZE THE INFORMATION, TO MAKE IT MORE -METHODICAL -AND P RECISE. SO THAT IS THE: REALITY. NOT THE DART GUN. NOT THE ASSASSINATION PLOTS.. THE CIA DOES HAVE A JOB OF CONDUCTING SECRET. EVEN PARAMILITARY. OPERATIONS ABROAD. - “WE DO VERY LITTLE OF THIS. ONLY ABOUT 5 PERCENT OF THE.CIA BUDGET IS DEVOTED TO: THIS. IN THE 4195 @S AND 19685. THE FIGURE WAS MUCH HIGHER. IN THE. EARLY: 195@S,. SUCH. OPERATIONS “ACCOUNTE D FOR OVER S@ PERCENT OF THE BUDGET. A REFLECTION OF THE TIMES. AND THE THREAT S WE FACED. BUT DON’T GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION. THESE ARE PRIMARILY JUST GIVING HELP T 0 SOME GROUP IN SOME COUNTRY THAT WANTS TO ACT IN OUR BEST INTERESTS AND ‘AGAINST THE S OVIET UNIGN.. NOW, WE ARE FACED WITH THE. SOVIETS. PUSHING AGAIN. -WE HAVE PROBLEMS THEY 0 QO NOT HAVE. GUR PROBLEM IS TO GET INFORMATION. THE SOVIET PROBLEM: 1S..TO0 UNDERSTAND INF : ORMATION. WE HAVE TO GET NHAT. IS KEPT SECRET FROM US. THEY: GET SO MUCH: INFORMATION THE Y MUST SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF. A PERSON IS FOOLISH TO. SPY. ON AMERICA. YOu Cc. AN READ MOST OF IT IN THE. NEWSPAPERS. I WISH’ I: COULD READ AS FREELY TNCTH PAPERS ABOU T THE MILITARY POSTURE. STATEMENT AND. APPROPRI :
13-00000 _ Sone PEOPLE,» SOME FTH “tc ITICS, “FOR. INST TH RE vs QUOTE WE HAVE’ TOLO.TOO..MUCH. MILLIAM COLBY- HAS TOLD TOO" -UNQUOTE COLBY: WELL: <I-THINK: THE ANSWER: TO: “THAT, TS THAT: ¥ WE TOLD TOG LITTLE, WHICH MAY BE PARTLY. RIGHT. “AND” “TODAY: 'T THI HE ARE. SAYING. TOO.MUCH.I7M WAITING FOR’ THE. ‘PENDULUM: TO. GET: BACK: > CH: WHEN YOU WERE - SUBJECTED TO. THE INVESTIGATIONS -BY:.THE SENA YOUR ‘FIRST STATEMENTS -WAS, IN Fee PAGE SPOCUBENT (THOT vou PRES SSENTED BEFORE THE. ‘SENATE COMMITTEE, QUOTE “THERE. WERE: : ‘UOTE WOULD: MOQUCHOLD: YOURSELF. TO THAT DESCRIPTION... COLBY: NOl-T. THINK.{THAT WAS DEAD RIGHT AND. 1. THINK THAT: HAS: BEE! F THE :~- OR, THREE OF THE REPORTS..THAT HAVE. “BEEN “PUBLISHED -SINCI . ELLER COMMISSION REPORT) THE | SENATE COMMITTEE. “REPORT: “ PS 2. COMMITTEE. REPORT. ON’ CHILE.“°1 SAID THAT THERE WERE “AV FEN: HISsTErs Tr RY. AND. MISDEEDS | Sa ESTHINK: I USED. Al.SO': THE PHRASE. THE ROCKEFEL -R. THAT CERTAIN. THINGS: HE DID WERE UNPROPERs “SOME DONE | AT’ THE. SPECIFIC TO! & PRESIDENT. SOME. DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS A GRAY AREA AS. TO-WHAT SHOULD. BE" DONE AND WHA _ T- SHOULD NOT BE DONE. AND SOME DONE BECAUSE. OF- AN EXCESS OF ACTIVITYs AND. I: THIS. HON ESTLY. AT A_PERIOD WHEN THERE HAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER: WE: HERE: DOING. He "RIGHT- THING. FOR. THE GOVERNMENT AT ALL -- AT THE TIME. “THE OPENING OF. THE. MAIL..-FOR INSTANCE. » BEGAN IN ‘1953, OPENING MAIL’ TO: AND FROM THE SOVIET. UNION, WHICH NAS RUNNING SPIES IN AMERICA. IT WAS IMPROPER: WE SHOULD NOT HAVE “DONE IT, BUT I THINK’ THE CONTEXT OF IT ¢ “UNINTELLIGIBLE?. AS FOR THE MASSIVE DOMESTIC: INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITH. To THINK EF YOU" LL LOOK THROUGH. THE = REPORTS, YOU eae 3 cL ‘FIND THAT WE ESSENTIALLY. HAD THREE. AGENTS WHO. DID THINGS. THAT. THEY SHOULON?T HAVE. WELL. THAT’S HARDLY.A MASSIVE ACTIVITY. THE ASSASSINATION REPORT: AFTER SIX MONTHS OF INTENSIVE INVESTIGATION... THE SENATE COMMITTEE. DISCOVERED THAT WE" DIDN?T: ASSASSINATE AN YBODY. THERE WERE ‘TWO ATTEMPTS MADE AGAINST. THO INDIVIDUALS ~-, THERE “WERE THO. INDIVIDU ALS THAT WE TRIED. TO KILL; NEITHER OF WHOM “POVICH: THO HEADS OF STATE. COLBY: NOT HEADS OF STATE IN BOTH CASES. BUT NEITHER ‘OF WHOM DIED AS A RESULT. NOW, THAT’S HARDLY -) fi GRAND PROGRAM OF ASSASSINATION. SUCH AS HE-WERE ALLEGED TO BE DOING. ‘AND WITH RESPE _ CT TO CHILE; f° THINK: IT SHOWS THAT OUR EFFORTS THERE, WITH.ONE EXCEPTION, WERE AIMED A _T SUPPORTING’ THE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES FIND FORCES -IN CHILE. FOVICH:. WHEN YOU TAKE .A LOOK | “AT THAT RECORD, COUPLED. WITH THE STATEMENT BY THE (CHAIRMAN OF ‘THE .SENATE -INTELI.1GFNCE COMMITTEE, FRANK CHURCH, YESTERDAY. ~- AND BY THE WAY, IT HAVE TALKED’ TO. SENATOR. CHURCH ON MANY OCCASIONS, : AND HE- HAS GIVEN YOU NOTHING BUT. THE UTMOST ADMIRATION. FOR THE WAY YOU AND HE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER ... COLBY: HE’S BEEN VERY KIND. POVICH: ... IN THE “LAST . SEVERAL MONTHS... _.BUT HE. SAYS (THAT) IF THOSE MISSTEPS AND MISDEEDS,: IF’ THEY WERE INDEE D THAT, - THERE IS ENOUGH THERE FOR CRIMINAL ACTION, AND HE. HAS. CALLED FOR A: SPECIAL PRO SECUTOR, MAYBE ENLARGING..THE WATERGATE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR’ S. AUTHORITY, |TOLOOK INTO TH 1S.. THAT, TO ME, IS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, NEO PROSPECT OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY: THE POSSIBIL ITy¥ OF TTs FIND HE WANTS © TT INVESTIGATED. | Q: ME. THAT’ S MORE. THAN MISSTEP AND. MT.
tee 8 8 cLipegeoss Ree Be a Te Li DECEMBER 43,: 1975 40: 45. PM WE. COLBY REBUTTAL TO. 6 “een | OF: THE CIA crear enn E ‘HAS? THE ‘SENATE INTELLIGENCE: COMMITTEE HAS GONE BYOND THE FINDINGS THE ROCKEFELLE:. R COMMISSION AND HAS FOUND MANY MORE EXAMPLES OF. ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES BY THE CIA. IT FOU - HD. FOR EXAMPLE. THAT-THE: CIA. IN AT LEAST.-TNG. INSTANCES, REALLY: SETQUT TO KILL FOREL . GN LEADERS:-FIDEL CASTRO AND PATRICE LUMUMBA. OF THE CONGO.’-SO, AREN?.TYOQU CITING: A’ REP? ORT WHICH, BY AND LARGE. "IS MORE FAVORABLE TO YOU THAN THE LATER: FINDINGS? . DIF 7 -CO-. LBY: NO, -I°M MERELY. CITING A REPORT. THAT WAS WRITTEN- TO. COVER CIA’S .DO MESTIC-F S, WHICH. WAS THE SUBJECT OF -ITS INGUIRY, AND WHICH HWA. a re S THE. SUBJECT OF SENSATIONAL CHARGES ABOUT A YEAR AGO,’ WHICH: GAVE. THE HPR 7 a CIA WAS ENGAGED IN MASSIVE ILLEGAL DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE. ACTIVITY. THINK THE FACTS O.. F_THE ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION REPORT WERE THAT IT WASN’T MASSIVE Sip. ite ‘HASN’ T ILLEGAL... THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WERE WRONG, SOME FEW’ OF THEM, BUT IT CERTAINLY COULN*T BE CHA - RACTERIZED IN eH ASHTON. DUKE: WASN’T.. COLBY: THE SUBJECT OF ASSASSINATION, OF COU RSE, WAS CONSIDERED. A BIT THERE, BUT THEN WAS PASSED TQ THE SENATE COMMITTEE FOR ITS. F° URTHER INVESTIGATION. CAND IN THE SENATE’S FULL INVESTIGATION =-. AND WE COGPERATED 198. FER CENT WITH THEM. ON THIS. I THINK IF YOU’LL READ THAT REPORT ALSO. YOU WILL FIND THA.” T WHAT THEY FOUND AFTER SIX MONTHS OF VERY INTENSIVE INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT. CIA DID, THAT THEY FIND FIVE CASES: WHICH THEY MENTIONED. THO CASES IN WHICH CIA. THEY SAY. OID MAKE SOME STEPS TOWARD THE KILLING OF THESE: INDIVIDUALS: NEITHER .OF WHOM DIEGO. FS fh RE SULT OF THOSE STEPS. ‘THERE WERE SOME OTHER STEPS -- THERE WERE SOME GTHER PEOPLE oHO Ke. ERE KILLED ELSENHERE AS A PART OF ACTIVITY THAT OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRICS oool RT” GOK, AND WAS NOT A RESULT OF CIA’S PLOTTING AGAINST THEM. AND THAT’S THE SUM. TO vie OF THE SIX-MONTH’S. INVESTIGATION. THIS DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE. IMPRESSION OF AN AGENGY i4Ic H HAS SPENT THE LAST. 25 YEARS ASSASSINATING PEOPLE. . DUKE: MR. COLBY.- YOu SAID ON CRS WN OT LONG AGO. -- FIND D LIKE TO QUOTE ¥ re UR. PRECISE WORDS ~~ = THERE. WERE ‘THINGS THAT. WERE DONE RONG, BUT. THEY. WERE DONE. EITHER BECAUSE. THEY WERE BELIEVED TO.BE RIGHT OR WITHIN.THE COLOR OF THE LAW. THERE IS A JUS. TIFICATION FOR WHAT THEY DID.- DG YOU BELIEVE. THAT MURDER. WAS JUSTIFIED? DIRECTOR COLB - ¥: I BELIEVE THAT ASSASSINATION IS NOT JUSTIFIED, AND I’°VE ISSUED DIRECTIVES AGAINST I.. T. AND I°VE TURNED DOWN SUGGESTIONS FROM HIGH OFFICIALS IN THE PAST THAT.THAT BE DONE. I HA¥YE NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. CERTAINLY. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE. EXCEPT IN. TIME OF WAR » OF COURSE, WHICH -~ WAR-IS A FORM OF KILLING PEOPLE. DUKE: SENATORS CHURCH SAID THE 0 THER BAY THAT. THE. ‘CIA HAS. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. SITTING AROUND,’ DREAMING UP SUBVERSIVE AC TIVITIES.: AND AGAIN, I°D LIKE: TO QUOTE WHAT HE SAID: -THESE- ARE. THE TYPES YOU ACTUALLY. - WOULD EXPECT TO. FIND, <THE DARE-DOER TYPES, THE ADVENTURESOME TYPES, THE-PEOPLE WHO FI ND THEIR “EXPRESSION IN EXCITING ACTIVITIES. AND’ WHAT. ARE THEY. DOING? ‘THEYRE! SITTING A ROUND,. THINKING OF SCHEMES FO EW INTERVENTIONS ALL OVER THE. WORLD. - 1S THAT ‘AN ACCURAT E DESCRIPTION OF CIA PEOPLE? DIRECTOR COLBY: I. DON’ T.. THINK SO. I SUPPOSE YOU. COLO SAY: THAT. I’ VE. HAD’ AN ADVENTUROUS LIFE IN VARIOUS THINGS. BUT .I DON¢T SIT: "AROUND: SCHEMING FOR MORE ADVENTURES... 1 HAVE PLENTY. OF: ADVENTURES . HERE IN. WASHINGTON ANSWERING ©
13-00000 te? “0.0. cLiPeaeses ee ees Hgiereniey WITH “WILLIAM E. “COLBY, 49 rae ere 2 ae : TRACTED. IT NASH T. UNTIL: ‘4967. THAT. WE. -REAL BEGAN. AR. UNTIL. THEN, ® NOBODY. HAD.DONE -ANYTHING ABOUTOHYT “HAR: Ri GOT INTO ¥VIET.NAM-AND THEN DECIDED. THAT. THERE ARE SONE THINGS. HINK WE DION’ T DO IT. RIGHT. BUT 1 THINK WE ‘COULD “HAVE: DONE. 1T:° EAT: FOR THE U.S.) IN YOUR..OPINION, -WAS THERE: NY: ‘SENSE IN: WHICH TET. NAN? AS. THE MILITARY: EQUATION. DIDN’ T- WORK. “BUT: WE. WON BD 4975. THERE WEREN’ T ANY: TRUE GUERRILLAS —I LET* NMENT’ S “SIDE.- THE: COMMUNIST. VICTORY IN: VIET:cNAM NAS ‘NOP R THAN WAS THE NAZIVICTORY IN’ FRANCE, OR. NORWAY. @:: BOTH “CONSIDER: THE CIA AN. INTERNATIONAL ‘MURDER’ ‘INCORPORATED. “HOW IN YOUR CAREER? A. "I7’S MADDENING: AND FRUSTRATING ° THAT | 50° MAN ‘Al WITH DART. GUNS: /AND- TOXIN: AND ASSASSINATIONS§ a . Y SENATOR CHURCH’S: ‘COMMITTEE. A SIX-MONTH STUDY,. ERIOD. WE TRIED TO°GET RID GF THO. PEOPLE.” CASTRO A, -AND- WE. DIDN‘ T.“ASSASSINATE EITHER OF THE! NIX OPERATION “IN VIET NAM. AY Oe SPTEN USED. HE IGURE OF -20,6@9-PEOPLE®KILLED IS: OFTEN -USED:. HO PUT. IT OUT.” BUT THAT WAS PART OF: WAR. O.: RSY° OVER CIA OPERATIONS “AND FOREIGN. POLICY: IN. GENERAL? aL: : NT‘ PERIOD HAS STRONG SIMILARITIES TO THE.19207S AND. EARLY. “193875 NCHURIA: IN: THE EARLY. 4930°S SEEMED VERY FAR AWRY THEN: R LATEST - HAR. “THIS: (KIND: OF. TURNING AWAY 1S DANGEROUS» RE GOING. TO FALL APART.” 1° M. FUNDAMENTALLY oO A THEN. SAVING. ‘THINGS: ‘OF eau
13-00000 oot oO. 09 _CLIpeaoes7, ae | Ag MEET, THE PRESS. GEORGE. "BUSH FEBRUARY, 22,4976. iad pee ee a Bs yoke TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL IN THE FUTURE. ‘BUT TO THE DEGREE. SOME. SAY. SHOULD WE _ HAVE co. VERT AT ALL, OR NOT? I SAY, WES, THIS COUNTRY MUST RETAIN A FLEXIBLE AND A STRONG COVE, RT CAPABILITY.: LEWIS: MR.- BUSH. A FEN MOMENTS AGO YOU SAID: THAT WE-HAYE-TO'RELY FOR CO NTROLLING ABUSES NOT ON LAM,.IN EFFECT, BUT ON BETTER OVERSIGHT..BY THE - ‘EXECUTIVE: eat F OR CONGRESS. NOW, .THE PRESIDENT HAS PROPGSED SOMETHING CALLED AN .OVERSIGHT BOARD. GF: THREE DISTINGUISHED, GENTLEMEN. WITHOUT -BEING UNKIND.” I WANT TO SAY. THAT THEYRE. PATHER: ; ELDERLY, THAT THEYRE PART-TIME. AND I JUST. NONDER WHETHER YOU SERIGUSLY THINS, TAST Ss UCH CIVILIANS CAN KEEP. ABREAST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT MAY.GO HRONG OR. THAT, 7 PLS T TOLD US A LITTLE EARLIER, DID GO WRONG? BUSH: WELL, LET ME.GO BACK: AND. SAY 1% N*T I HOPE I-DIDN‘T. COME DOWN SAYING I DON’T THINK YOU. NEED ANY- LAN. I HOPE 1h. EXECUTIVE ORDER AND .THEN THE REQUESTS FOR LEGISLATION THAT. HAVE GONE. FORWARD Fe: FRESIDENT. Say ae “I HOPE THAT WILL BE PASSED. SO vr”. EED LAM. BUT ‘EXECUTIVE BRANCH, SOME MACHINERY. i chu’ T ACCEPT, IN_THIS- ‘DAY. “OF: DISCRININATION, THIS ‘AGE DISCRIMINATION, CAUSE A FELLOW LIKE MR MURPHY IS A VERY ABLE PERSON, AND I DON’T THINK. YOU INTENDED. THAT. BUT-I WOULD SAY T HAT THIS MACHINERY,.“NHERE THE INSPECTORS GENERAL AND THE GENERAL COUNSEL. AND INDIVIDUA™ LS ARE ENCOURAGED, WITHOUT GOING TO THE DIRECTOR, SAY -~- SOMEONE ‘IN THE CIA: INSPECTOR, GENERAL -- TO GO DIRECT TO. THE OVERSIGHT. BOARD, IS A GOOD KIND GF MACHINERY TO HAVE A VAILABLE. AND YOU-COUPLE THAT WHITH MORE OVERSIGHT FROM THE CONGRESS. | AND: WE*RE MOVING TOWARDS RESPONSIBLITY ON THE PART. OF PEOPLE LIKE. OURSELVES, THE CIA.”.LEWIS:' MR, BUSH, ON LAW, YOU MENTIONED THE GONE EXAMPLE WHERE THE PRESIDENT HAS» PROPOSED. RA LAW TO LIMIT: COVERT ACTIONS; THAT’S ON ASSASSINATIONS.. I WONDER. WHETHER YOU. WOULD: FAVOR ANY OTHER L 4 IMIT. FOR EXAMPLE, ON SEPTEMBER 15, 1970. PRESIDENT NIXON INSTRUCTED ONE. OF YOUR PREDE - CESSORS TO ENCOURAGE A MILITARY COUP AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM: OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, CHILE. IF SOMEONE: SAID. THAT. TO YOU NOW. ORDERED YOU TO DO.THAT, WOULD: YOU - IT? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?. BUSH: I NQULDN’T DO IT... I¢LL TELL YOU WHY: T.. HOULDN’ T "SAY iT, 1. S BECAUSE’ UNDER: THE | PRESIDENT: 5 ONN ORDER, THIS DOUBLE-TRACKING, THAT. THA T BECAME REFERRED TO, IS ELIMINATED 6Y-A MUCH MORE FORMALIZED -ACTION CF THE. OLD 48 “COn MITTEE, THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. NOW: NOBODY CAN SAY, OH, I-WASN’T ‘THERE, OR, - 1 GOT APHONE GALLS EVERYBODY | ert AROUND AND MAKE Hy DECISION OF. THIS. -- -OF THIS. NATURE Ls A ig “IP -MOULD' HOPE -- AN TO INTEGRITY, AN Tt R. a: : . on ITs D ¥GU CAN'T REALLY DEFINE IN A CQDE OF LAW EVERYTHING THAT’S GOING. TO. GUARANTY PERFECT TON. AND I RESPECT THE ATTEMPT THAT’S BEEN MADE TO TRY TO. ELIMINATE. BUSE.. “AND YET IF YOU SAY. ARE YOu GUARANTEEING - THERE WILL BE-NO..ASUSE? I COULON’T SAY IT UIN THIS FIELD OR ANY OTHER FIELD ‘BY: LAN. NOYES: MR. BUSH, WHAT DO. YOU. THINK. THE: 9 SuninaL ARE THAT. CON ‘ N THE CASE OF: DIVULGING: OFFICIAL. SECRETS? BUSH: ‘T° THINK - O NONE. NOYES:. IN THAT. CASE: ‘HOW: EFFECTIVE 00. YOU THINK THESE. 1s ie EY SHOULD,. INCIDEN TALLY. 17M NOT SURE THEY SHOULD) “UNDER: THE SPEECH DEB ‘BUT THOSE ARE -THE THO CHANCES I SEE. NOYES: WELLs -IN. THE. CASE . ‘THAT. WE. ARE. UP. AGAINST NOWe THE SANCTIONS WILL: BE LIMITED TO A VERY F FEW -PEOPLE: IN KECUT IVE: BRANCH..O | A dbs
0. " cLIPagees9 7 we —s Los ANGELES TINES 2. FEBRUARY. 41976, “WOE. COLEY, BY GAYLORO SHA 3 ; SRB eyes “ -L3 18 THE Clas 9s. Its.s UPPORTERS | CONTEND, ce MELL co NTROLLED i ING THE CAUSE: OF FREEDOM (EVERYWHERE? OR 1S -TT:AS Se ; 20 TRAMPLING, INTO: FORBIDDEN. FIELDS, MAKING - AMERICA. THE. ‘BOGEYNAN THE TRUTH LIE? WILLIAM Eo COLBY STARED. INTO: ‘THE WE M WINDOW AND. LIKE A SPY. AN. FROM: THE COLD... -KED 1 HAD SORT. OF HOPED; - HE=SAID; -THAT T _ oo THEY HADNT. GONE. BY ONE. SLOWLY, -PAT. = ULL! “TRA - INTELLIGENCE ‘AGENCY’S. CLOSET DURING-COLB: ASH. FOR” ‘FOREIGN. POLITICANS.. COVERT: ATTEMPTS.:TO:OVE “THE. REVELATIONS: ENDED. COLBY’ S GUARTER- CENTURY. CAREER WITH. “THE. CI E DO WITH MOST OF THE MISDEEDS, BUT HE: DISPLAYS.NO VISIBLE BITTERNESS: ABD! TURNING FROM: THE WINDON -TO LEAN BACK ON A GOLD-COLORED SOFA, COLBY -ARGUED.IN ES THAT: THE CIAS. SINS WERE PARADED BEFORE -AN ‘AMERICAN “PUBLIC: TEL-PREPARED: “LOSURES “BECAUSE IT “HAD. =NO- FRAME OF REFERENCE. FOR INTELLIGENCE, EXCEPT (SPY-NOVELS. - SO. » RETIRED TQ A MODEST. ANDUNGUARDED SUBURBAN -HOMEs:-HE IS WRITING: A BODK- “NOT Al sey ‘NOVE™ L, BUT A SERIOUS BOOK. HE HOPES WILL PLACE..THE.AGENCY<S OPERATIONS -IN© HISTORICAL. PERSPE CTIVE TOG MUCH OF THE DEBATE RAGING AROUND THE AGENCY, HE. SAID, ‘HAS CENTERED~ “ON -BIDDL.. Y LITTLE THINGS=-SUCH AS A -MINUSCULE NUMBER- OF BURGLARIES. COMMITTED 1 THE UNITED ST ATES BY CIA (OPERATIVES. INSTEAD THE DEBATE SHOULD. TA... Sead Be z mae URN THE WHOLE Contr ENT HOSTILE ‘TO THE UNITED. “STATESTHERE. ‘WAS A ‘SERIOUS ASSESSMENT THA - T THIS WAS A POSSIBILITY. ~— -SO WE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM. WHICH WAS APOLITICAL. PROGRA M THROUGH THE OAS, ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES. AN ECONOMIC PROGRAM THROUGH THE AL LIANCE FOR PROGRESS. - -THERE WAS SOME MILITARY AID. AND THERE WAS SOME CIA WORK BOTH I | N INTELLIGENCE IN. SUPPORT. OF SOME OF THE FORCES TO PREVENT THE RISE IN TERRORISM AND G - UERRILLA ACTIVITY.” -AT THE END OF THE PERIOD, -IN 1975, LATIN. AMERICAN 15: NO GARDEN, BU. 7 IT HASN’T BEEN. TURNED TOTALLY HOSTILE TO THE. UNITED STATES UNDER CUBAN- LEADERSHIP. _ ~YOU CAN’ T SAY IT WAS. THE CIA ALGNE, BUT THE CIA, I THINK, MADE A CONTRIBUTION IN ANUM BER OF COUNTRIES.. I1T°S BEEN WORTHWHILE. - -SOMEHON, - HE OBSERVED, . -THE CONTRADICTION WI LL HAVE. TO BE HORKED- QUTBUT HON? PREISDENT FORD OFFERED HIS ANSWER. LAST WEEK... PROPOSIN G AMILD SET OF. REFORMS SUCH AS A NEW GVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WITHIN THE: EXECUTIVE BRANCH. A LEGISLATIVE BAN.ON PEACETIME ASSASSINATION GF FOREIGN LEADERS AND ON DOMESTIC SNOOPI NG.. AND TOUGHER LANS AGAINST LEAKING OFFICIAL SECRETS. THE SENATE. INTELLIGENCE COMMITT EE, CHAIRED BY SEN. FRANK: CHURCH, WILL MAKE .ITS. RECOMMENDATIONS NEXT “MONTH, PRGBABLY C ALLING. FOR MUCH TIGHTER CONTROLS OF THE INTELLIGENCE ESTABLISHMENT. .. TIGHTENED CONTROLS WERE URGED BY THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. HEADED BY REP. OTIS: G. PIKE, DLN. Yo. B EFORE IT DIED THIS. MONTH IN A BLAZE OF CONTROVERSY OVER WHO LEAKED ITS ¥YET-TO-@E~FORMA LLY RELEASED FINAL REPORT. DEBATE ON INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS WILL CONTINUE FOR MONTHS, FERHAPS YEARS. AS “IT: DOES. A.STUDY OF THE STILL~ “UNFOLDING - SAGA OF THE CIA OFFERS CLUE. S TO HON THE AGENCY BECAME SUCH AN ENIGMA. HARRY S.. TRUMAN WAS UNHAPPY AND -IN A HURRY, HIS 96-YEAR-OLD MOTHER WAS LINGERING NEAR DEATH IN -MISSOURI, BUT. HE. WAS. STUCK AT WASH INGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT. WAITING FOR AIDES TO BRING HIM JUST PASSED LEGISLA . TERNOON. “FINALLY SIGN BEFORE TAKE-OFF. MINUTES TICKED BY THAT - SULTRY) “SDEGREE, JULY AF * 2 a a a es hey ZHAN, Ss. ARS AND ‘fa cra- SUPPLIED AIR FORCE BROUGHT COL. CARLOS CASTILLO ARMAS TO POW DONESIA--It 4958, “ANOTHER CIA-SPONSORED AIR FORCE BASED IN THE PHILIPPINES SUPPORTED R EBELS IN THE CELEBES WHO NERE- TRYING TO OVERTHROW PRESIDENT SUKARNO.. CONGO--IN. 1966. T HE CIA PLOTTED TO ASSASSINATE PRESIGENT FATRICE LUMUMNEA,. EVEH SENDING POISONS TQ THE C ONGO, A FEW MONTHS LATER, LUMUMBA WAS KILLED BY CONGOLESE RIVALS. AND THE SENATE INTEL LIGENCE COMMITTEE CONCLUDED THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE CIA WAS INVOLVED IN HIS DEA TH. BUT THE CIA REMAINED ACTIVE IN THE REGION, .AND IN 1964. PROVIDED PLANES Tu HELP SU FPRESS A REVOLT. AGAINST. THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CONGO . NON KNOWN AS ZAIRE. BPOMIAICAN RE PUBLIC-~DURING 4196@ AND 1964, THE CIA SUPPORTED DISSIDENTS WHO -ON MAY 34, 1964. ASSASS INATED DICTATOR RAFAEL. TRUJILLO.: SOME U.S. AGENTS KNEM OF THE. MURDER PLANS, ANO AMERIC AN OFFICIALS FURNISHED .THE DISSIDENTS WITH THREE PISTOLS, ALTHOGUGH IT. 1S UNKNOWN WHETH ER THEY WERE USED IN THE ASSASSINATION. CUBA--FROM 1968 THROUGH 1965,.-CIA WAS INVOLED IN SEVERAL PLOTS .TO. ASSASSINATE PREMIER. FIDEL CASTRO, AT ONE POINT ENLISTING THE AID oO F MAFIA LEADERS.:-AND.IN.41964,.. A- BRIGADE OF CUBAN EXILES TRAINED AND: SUPPORTED. BY THE C IA LANDED AT THE BAY OF. PIGS-IN AN ILL-FOUNDED ATTEMPT TO OVERTHROW CASTRO. MOST OF TH. E INVADERS WERE CAPTURED: OR KILLED, AND FOUR. U.S. PILOTS FLYING FOR -THE CIA DIED IN TH E EPISODE... THE AGENCY’S BEST-KNOWN DISASTER.” BRAZIL-~-IN 41962, THE CIA SPENT: A’ REPORTED $24 MILLION TO SUPPORT HUNDREDS OF GUBERNATORIAL, CONGRESSIONAL, STATE: AND LOCAL CAND ; IDATES IN ‘AN. ATTEMPT: TO: ENY LEFTIST PRESIDENT. TORO SOULART CONTROL, OF .THE BRAZILIAN c Le aR NE A eNO gy, eB ao
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13-00000 a wb . eo rey * 0 OO CLIPHBaBHS2 SRS OE DAVID BRUGNOY, INTERVIEM HITH GEORGE BUSH, JULY 49,4976 z . NDER FOR ABUSES THAT CANNOT BE SUBSTANTIATED. BUT MUCH MORE CRITICAL IN MY VIEM CRIMIN HL. THAN THAT [So THIS TENDENCY 10 PUBLISH NANES OF LOYAL AMERICRNS SERVING HERUAE Finty T THINK IT 15 DISGRACEFUL, I THINK IT’S THE WORST OED Ta USE-ON IT BUT IT IS THE wny 1 FEEL AND THOSE THAT PO IT. I WISH WE HAD STRONGER LAWS TO PROSECUTE THEM, GUT HE bo. N?y. THE CONGRESS ISN“T IN THE Moco TO 00 THAT AND I JUST THINK IT’S DISGRACEFUL. Grup HOY: T BG TOG. I THINK THE WORST HOR® IS ONE NE CRN’ T USE OVER THE AIR. BUT I“M SURE ¥ QU HAVE FRIENDS HERE BOTH GN THIS END OF THE MICROPHONE AND LISTENING OUT THERE. If KNG HUE” HAVE TO GO QUICKLY, SO T WANT TO CASK:YOU, IF J]. MIGHT JUST ONE GOR THO MORE’ BRIEF STIONS. SOU HAYE BEEN KING ENGUGH TO STAY HITH US THIS LOHG, 7 DON?T WANT TO ASK ANYTH ING THAT WOULD PROVOKE FROM SOL A -NO COMMENT- BECAUSE ITs 9 SECURITY QUESTION AND So I’M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY SPECIFICS, BUT ME HAVE HEARD SO MANY FARANGID STORIES A BOUT CIA INVOLVEMENT IM THE ASSASSINATIONS IN VARIOUS OF QUR LEADERS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. WHEN WOU CAME INTO THE OFFICE FARTLY AS A CLEANING UP OPERATION BECAUSE "YOu CA ME IN WITH AN UNSULLIED REPUTATION WHICH UNFORTUNATELS. YOUR PREDECESSOR, THROUGH NO F RULT OF HIS OWN. DID NOT HAVE. DIO YOU FIND ANY HINT THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE CIA HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY FORM OF ASSASSINATION ANYHHERE OTHER THAN OF OTHER EN EMY AGENTS, WHICH I KNOW GOES ON IN ALL ESPIONAGE AGENCIES, BUSH: HELL. THE OLY THING I°VE FOUND IS WHAT’S BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE SENATE COMMITTEE BEFORT AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ASSASSINATION OF THIS NATURE, CERTAINLY THAT I KNGM GF, THERE HAVE BeEtR SOME P LOTTING THAT HAS COME OUT AND VERY, VERY LIMITED AND IT MOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT TRE SHSHE RTO THE GUESTION IS NO. BUT I WOULD REFER YOUR LISTENERS TO THE SENATE OMNI Y oo REPO RT. ANO THERE SOME ASSASSINATION IS GISCUSSED THERE AND THEY WILL SEE IF THEY READ IT AND READ IT OPENLY AND HONESTLY THAT ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS ABCUT THE CIA INVOLVED IN T HE ASSASSINATION OF FOREIGN LEAERS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE WAS SOME ISOLATED IMCICEN TS OF PLOTTING BUT TO MY EMOLMLEDGE THERE HAS NOT ANY ASSASSINATION THAT’S BEEN LAYED A T THE POGRSTEP OF THE CIA. ALTHOUGH HE HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH IT. 30 I THINK WE ARE IN BETTER SHAPE GN THAT THAN PUBLIC OPINION NOULD HAVE PEOPLE BELIEYE. BRUDNOYW: I THIHK 2O TOO, T WAS WONDERING IF THERE HA® BEEN ANY CONFIRMATION IN CIA INFORMATION GF THE 5 TORY PUT FORMARGD BY FRANK STURGIS THAT JACK RUBY HAG MET WITH FIDEL CASTRO AND TALKED ABOUT KILLING KENNEDY. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE IMPLIEG A CIA ACTIVITY. BUT IN CIA INVESTIG RTTONS. BUSH: NO. THERE IS NO CONFIRMATION OF I HAVEN’ T FRANKELS. LOOKED INTO THAT SO 1 HAYE NO CONFIRMATION OF IT. I BO NOTE THAT IT NAS CARRIEGQ THAT STURGIS HAS CIA AGENT A HOD THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE AND THE STORY IS REPEATED AHO REPEATED ANG REPEATED AND IT’ & NOT TRUE. GRUONOY: TRO HORE QUESTIONS. ONE GIPLOMATIC AND ONE PERSONAL. I5 IT TRUE T HAT THERE IS SONE SAFEGUARDED. SOME FAILSAFE DEVICE To STOP A CRAZED PRESIDENT? WE HAVEN “T HAD ANY I DON’T BELIEVE EVEN THE ONE HHO LEFT IN DISGRACE. BUT A CRAZED PRESIGENT I MN ORDERING THE CIA To BO SOMET
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