Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination 
Records Collection Act of 1992 
(44 USC 2107 Note) 
NW 53216 6/17/17
104-10227-10007 . 4 13 Aurust 1LJG65 TRASSUATION A. The thingy is this \- beinning Tron Geneva, in Geneva, ete. you reported this “truth” to your chief, ete., or you di@ not tell hin tho. truth; you yourself nust. have understood at.that tine that somc - thing was not’ gotny exactly risht, , ; B.. ((Smiles)) This Is absolutely not right, you are absolutely not right. |. A. I an absolutely ripht.. PR. Absolutely not right, seme A, Well, again -. in. this instance, you know, you know... And not only I, but all of the pcrsom who have talked with you.... ; 3. Absolutely, absolutely noone... ., A. .. Not everyone is vy ent, but nevertheless, you are tryins to prove rest Ae taut moh 8 EA Aeneas me Petes ane! ee Lenneteavesd 5 oe the reverse ((i.c., that everyone is wrong)). You know, between us, the only thins about wileh I havo sroken with you for the past two weeks and wiich you know well -=- you did not male one nistake =- is prison canp jargon. Between us, I have never heard the word, biksa (prostitute)”, B. Oh... younc people Inow this word; ny brother knows it. A. (6G). B. They even use this word tn literature -- just read one thing: take <5
104-10227-10007 7 Y a” os » A ay tn the Lite of Ivan Dentsovich, ee eee ne = aetna nai Se ae I pe A: A Pia 1 have-read them all, > rhe . You told me what wo that you Ilrad road the book, Petrovira 3S Boe. bh. - Petrovia 32, Tao Wilitia Sergeant. ... A,. When did you read Petrovka .335. A. Under what circumstances. | | . RP. Even, to my thinking... I do not renember, - i | oo . «, ; . L i A, Maat cas were you interested tn tils crindual-Literature,-or did yo sivply have nothing else to do... . By What =- ‘nothing"™: That which appears in periodicals.... . j | . . I A, Do you not now when this book wags published. . BR. <I do not know, | | i F : : . 8 _ I only know that Yulian SEMENOV was in contact with tis in 1962, . le sent it to us and yas consulting with us; he was turning tt ove: to us in sections. (XG). A. Then, you read it in sections. -But T want to know cid you read it in parts before publtcation, o after. ae : RB. YY do not remenber; I ‘fo not remenber. Aw (XG).
104-10227-10007 ae lie y A, hy A, ny i P : ° A. oR. TTT ane imme rete mea me cane“ Mena SOMME Pe WARIO Bn ee a Me ane 9 Sh tetammnelaner esq ee, 4 a Sc eemem arts atene nae ade Well, [du notcremecber, Todo not remetber, Todo not renembor. Tae book was approved fow pablteation ea 2 January Load, approve. Therofore, you could not have read tt there at ah for publjcation: © January LOG, \ Then, ((f vead)) what wee given, what he save, ; : Under waat cireunstances did they five it to you’, In the First Section of tao Scventh Departnent, by an caployee s+ 7 do not rencnber his name now; ono ninute, perhaps I will remenber -- » who hed contact with this Yultan SEMBNOV, | | . He ((SENENOV)) igs marrted to the daushter of tho poet, Sersey Ho. ((the omployee)) repeatedly aaked me questions, to help hin. i} ' through the materials jn the kGr Archives, Ho ((SENENOY)) consulted with this cmployee. Refore the book, a story was published ja the mayaxine, Yunost' <= what wag it called. -- In order to got the critics’ reaction, Well, I know this mazazina and this storys. do not talk about this. He ((SEMENOY)) eousulte veh this wperde tonal employee, and this. employee o= (1G) .-- came around and showed it to the Chief of the Section; he rave it, the materials, to look at. It simply vas interesting for mo, And: then we helped this Yultan SEMENOV . This Yulian SENENOVY at the beyinning of 19383, or the end of 1965, hunting; he, the cinema actor == STOLYARCV, and a group killed thea huntins cuide, This happened while they were bunting. It just happened that the huatine guide was in the wy, Criminal charres were brourht up. Well, an employee vooarted to HOMEOV and centacted the Wilitia.
104-10227-10007 ae a ce Taen, you rend (ide peo, Metre 029, befese Ct wan nnd isned m, 1 de not remember, { remember that he consulted, he cave COLt)) by chacters.... A, Who wan tho cane offteer recponstbla for this case. ig Well, Yurty, Yurty, Yuriy... I will ronenber hig nane tn a monent, Ilo workod (1-26). I havo tiie none sonewiere; I wrote it. A. You soe where your...) wnera A part of your instructions ins, led yor cD. Mere. A. tT have told you where, Tt ig not so important, cad BR mut there ts, is, is the operattonal cmoloyes. A: “Well, you continue to say that you are telling the truth, wut, At is ony colclusion that ealy, mn abnorial person can insist that this la tho truth. - . a Do not think that we are so stupid. We now sonowhat more tian your KGB chiefs tao sant you here. | * Ovor the past year, borinnine with Mr. VACLEY a= he tricd to explai: “to you why you have bean put in such a position, but you did not Listen to him, eo hoped that you would realise this and would toll the truth, that Tene a tetaemmamaeegiy db anestem irae nite en Ay Rate meal meee AP A Tome 1 PLAN ec mI a wd ee , omrccmtisvineicnrtiacti you would reeexmainges cvore tiring wiad had hannened berinnatnug trea th: first day in Geneva, You are not stupid now, anders doped that you would voaltue why you wore hrought¢ hare. rrom your pact, there was ao pasitive reagpeasc. And afters that, there was quite a leagthy investication during mits ty t? we tried to cxnlain to you.all o2 your uistaces. ~ : F é 2 z= # x : S Res zg Be: B Lopate . “Qn tealene Coat wo owe nee.
104-10227-10007 a ® De A. reminded you abaogst every aay to sa ve you from KGn persecution... We could still use yo soachow “as C(In English)) "pyle type 8 meadab ce Gb fa Ds cb pees os yer ep Mpeg you also turned dws owt ffyat atter wien basa yaa a es eee te nove jos and te da roge tian... Cooffered yeu fhe sane tabi se tno the last conpte of woe, 2 ¥ tuat this saree ta lendta. you te one cood, and today I an taliitng with you for tho lade tine, You still have a few hours, to talk or to ber in to tell tac truth. If you have tho wish, then sonething still ms; bo. ‘done for you, but the tine has passed wacn we could save you a9 for ingtanc azainst the KGDy, and'so forth. | . . You ave darcud us to do soacthing coupletely different. nut, any way y we “do not exclude the possibility... we can rive yOu the chance, tn BOnc. moasure , to plan a normal Life for yourgsls tating {nto account your > Lnowkedse of tae Soviet Unton, Vai LEN no ono ean tae away from ou, a “ foruer Soviet cltinen, 6.0 60) “yg you do not oxktbit puch h 8 ces iro, it will be ny Inst tals (Cui th you)). . a tas a As I told you; 100 days-wiL} turn into 4,000 == and I am in no way threatening you I aw talkine seriously with you w= this is the ene.” nat's nll, We no longer neod you, “we will try to do just that. If you have gonething, to say, please do. so. But plcase do not ty to prove sonething, or rake speeches -- I do not: want to hear thea at all. That is the only thine you ean say. 2. That [a2 not lyine to you. We will end vipat treve, I do not want to hear any more This already | Shas bored ma: it has bored all of us. to say; if I, tf I, really am Well, if [ co not have any th ing e; to olay a2 aed tine, tH A eee: Fe | ura
104-10227-10007 aLcobutedy not dying, gen aes cd > ate beta mo. Guepiy mbes bay certs 3. “ALL of the cheens, OF whigh cos hove vewtneed you sove: wWileh we conn idercd nec osavy, nave been ands; and, Cor the pr ost part, they already wore dune ferfared we pug you L960 , ~ liowt, ono can ay onl; tant these Je nothing for ug to cueei, nant for us to prove or to ontablis’s. . : te only path for you to a novsal lite ts to tell the whole truta - - | how and. where thigs bean; wien vow bean to works in Sov tet , Intelligence, counterintclli;cnes; how tails all happened, = : | This will give you a chance or a normal life. (XG) > . . i - bo By | nh, If I do not have thins... | Ay oT want to rer ind you that a ar Lives only.once’, Ceortainly do not want to persuade’ Fou; -and so forth = ere asi! gaall units in this world, . Lifo has ite ow: order, It 1s neceseary to. love Lite (KG). If you have no dealre, tat: igi yom decision =« i imve nothin mae | . to nay; this ig your owm pers al affatr. . | As you were told carlicyr, as a tesult of the operations conducted o° | _ no-one. will bo able to help you, s Consider inz tioge changes taich- have taken place Ltn tho Sovict Unis: | these also play some fort of role tn this, Neither the xCB, nor Sovict intelligence or counterintellirence, nu: cnc Soviet government are in a position to do anything. # Bocause, gince you have been here, the situation has taken a 90 decree turn, How, of course, you understand -- a3 I have reminded you -= where the truth Lies and where Lt docs not, You yourself see thls now, bectaning with 1962, (AG) and you yours: | are in &@ position to know how 211 this happened, beginning with on. first Geneva meeting. ‘4 ’ And probauly you see your crrors, but do not have the strength of :
104-10227-10007 ' : i ! i os Sime eee ree Ne ee ee Net eats wo Bs La se tartans ors A, Jwabch we proatged, you... we faoombes dt Chen, In coenneetton with tie’ foet that in the last two woos you have ne displayed any deptre to tell the truth and to lead tho normal Lt re (Cs ttl2))) wtll do thts, and we wilt rive you gowe help.... (XG). Iau entirely at your Utspeaat: © tell you I an entirely at vores We can acecpt you, - Tam entirely at your digposal, I can only gay one thing |< Ef, at present, you do not beltleve ue | * at all, then there con be only one tilnt... ay worl: and thme wilt! prove the contrary, Your worl a- in’ the fovia in witeh you offer {Lt to us ~a is not neaded. We can inanagoe without it. ... But... I have {n wind that f will\ do. everything I am told, ve..Wo vo operating very woll, Right. ...Proof of this is {in the facet that you are here, in such.a situa! that is, if we were not workine woll you. would not be in such @ position. Your last words foree se to tell you this one thing -- that I do not sce any need for continuings our conversations with you on any Subject; it mates me very sad-to see that you are in such a positic: and that you do not want to uake the proper decision and the proreor conclusion. Iam telling you the truth, Wd Rei utiertics
104-10227-10007 Se ee me me nena ek TPR mete age ne eng REA Ae od MELEE A TR SANT LE Em RAINY Nee ee A, Youocan repeat thie Lod theo, Too bad.,,. C(X6; A and speak at tie same timo,)) ((ind of AZ Scesston, 13 Aucust 1935))- ae ay meee Wt a hoexeere