180-10140-10381) >. a e HUES STOKES, GND, CHAT, CAN wilt, re, PR, yeacarar + ’ . UMote bath eo do SHAT, COIN, 3. Byes, CALI. BAodestie, a. COR WINE, CabERe SV WANT te. PAC Hite Y, COP, CHARLES Terma, rey tess, HANDLE B. CAV TT be, MICO. RRL & fF aCEhe, Del eed, WOVE 2. PUT AN, UE, COPERP We beste, PAS Spelect Committee on osessinations ULE, touse of Representatives, 3331 HOUSE OFFICE QUILDBING, ANNEX 2 cuceertetctinemetnoets (292) 223-4624 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20515 et , September 19, 1978 Mr. Scott Breckinridge Principal Coordinator/HSCA Office of the Legislative Tfounsel Central Intelligence Agency Washington, D.C. 20505 Dear Mr. Breckinridge: In connection with its investigation into the circum- ~ stances surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the Select Committee on Assassinations requests that the enclosed two pages of John McCone's testimony before this Committee and the enclosed eleven pages of Barney Hidalgo's executive session testi- mony. before this Committee both be declassified. . Subject to the - Agency's declassification of this material, it will be entered into the Committee's public hearings record on Tuesday, September 26, 1978. : Regarding public disclosure of Mr. Hidalgo's name, ‘please note that the Committee does not intend to refer to or disclose: in any way Mr. Hidalgo's identity. Since some of the information cited in this letter is derived from classified information, consideration should be given to as- signing this letter an appropriate classification indicator. “Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, G. Robert Blakey . Chief Counsel and Director Enclosures GRB: emb Geelemeitieet eee : an fu yer rv Three | rr abites “CIA HAS NO OBJECTION T@ DECLASSIFICATION ANDIOR RELEASE OF THIS DOCUMENT. AS SANITIZER /£O 1040 (OBE
a ele SS on Ho. NX: Lo 4s : 3 : Q Was he-an agency employee? 0 A H . . . . * / + : | A Yes. ~. . ; oy | 6 : “, : Pe 7 - 5 @) Do you know where he worked in 19632 | | A No. _ ye = | 6. a : | | Q Did you know Ann Egerter? | | A No, not that I recall. T may have known here but [I | oan Sf a ; i j fo not recall her. aa oN } “ x“ : NN i ? Do you know’ whether she was an Agency employee? | : L . NN 10 I do not know. | NN | i a . . . | i Did you know Charlotte Bustos? | 14 i Not that I recall. te : : i . | Do you know whether she was an Agency employee? | Sad at , - : i Do you know or did you know Maurice Bishop? a "Yes. I believe so. Se en --? - ome Qo A Q Was he an agency employee? a . Q Do you know what his duties were in 1963? A No. | a Q Do you know whether any of these people worked at | headquarters in 1963 or worked in the field in 1963? A Well, they move back and forth and it is pretty hard | to tell just where they were in 1963, but the records will show and you can get it from the Office of the present Director. | “ei | | . - : : 4 a oe 7 Le a 2 ae
&) in wag tre Crs 2.3 qre my, . - an He will: have records where they were, or the personnel depart- ment. 9° Do you know what positions were held by these “A - Now Q What positions they held-~let me rephrase that -— questions. Do you know the highest vosition that each of . S io .e) re] aed Q "9 ces cise) ar women weemensnih ane sneer ch Go Destin cateictesensate Bo IN <n SN CRITE conaneacen te eeeeenee eh OF | these individuals held in the CIA? | | | A No, I do not. ! | Q ° For instance, Go you know whether Maurice Bishop | i worked in the Western Hemisphere Division Or whether he worked | in some other division of the Cra? | A I do not know: -I do not recall. I knew at that time | but I.do not recall. , | —_ : _— | : Q Do you know whether Maurice Bishop used any pseudo- | i a | nyms. ! A Ne, I would not know that. 1] Do you know whether the name, Maurice Bishop, was in. fact a pseudonym? | . | A No, I do not know that. @-——-ckay>—Did-you-know Ann-Goodpasture?—————— an Y A lo. | . . —- Mr. McCo ne, I have no further-qtestions at this poin It is the policy of the Committee to grant to the witness at me, the end of a deposition five minutés—o tees cm toe pmo e oS Pai Ly Bate 2) ao! © aims Fess ke a free time to either 253 cr ere [betes SS . “YP
Mr. Goldsmith; How okhen have you hac personas Cconcpct . ~N . 2 with Mir Rbillips? . vs : af . an . - 3 Mx. Hidalyg. Then? oe mou 4 Nr. Goldsmiths through, the years an rar 5 Ye ar, Hidalgo. through the ye Catton he retired I calteh tae 4 aN fal ; me : ES é hime We belonged to the A Ssgciation. - We are both retix A 7 and I tal to hin frequyy ; . “a ae 5 Mx. Golds mith, oY g 10 oe 12 ' 13 H Mr. Coldsmith, Did you know an individual named Maurice it Bishop? . * 1s 4 _ Mr Geared] Again Mz, Bishop was. in the organization but 18 XI had no personal day~to-day open “yelationship with him.. i . 7 a phillips, yes; Bishop, no. I knew them both and Phillips I i — om Seni A wr fn NY Ban? See = 3 knew, I know Mx. Berk is. over..there and I know Mr. Hardway is tote H , =~ 1D over there but’ I have no relationships with them. Do you - : ae .. follow me 7 Co ea es 1 bebieve you indicated that withy= * eee —— n Va Phillips your xelationship-was™ both busines 5 and personas ! i ; 7 ~j Mrc>-Hidalgo;—Yes.-|—_—_____- aA Mr. Goldsmith, Now with Mr, Bishop ~- was this Mr. Mauric a . . . wl . . a5 Bishop? |
: if - : . : . : 1 ‘oh l Ley at Tee Fly £ laa 2 haan ec Otel ce Peer ees F yes . iH K ; . ” Piso g ow ar cone 3 ee ee . 21 stxhe cly a buoineds knovicelge 3 : “2 he, Goldumith, How long haz it been since you have: es. L 4 Maucice Bishop? ' ly s| 0 me. BF Hakyy.] Less ‘than vtwic ice oc three tines in the ha? 7 : oo. Me, Goldsmith, When was the last time that you saw hin fo _ oo . oa 5 Woon y mr. [daloe.] Lt would have to _Berkehoxe 1970 somewhex- 9 tos Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know what po ition, if any, hel 10 | WAER the: agency? | , os H ' nf hr. Fiddags] Hoe held a position higher than mine byt | 12 i did not know, you know, 13 ! Mr, Goldsmith, Did you ever have amy. pexsonal contact . 8 + js with Mr, Bishop? i My  (ibecadae I don't-beiieve so, Tf it was, it was. mx 1S y US ¢ { ® 2 “2 18 ! that. impoxt ant that it would impress itself upon me. - My. Goldsmith, Did he work-in the Western Hemisphere VW | . . P + Division? - “ . See ‘ 164 | ot toy e : ; . 1g Il x. Gkdetye] Y think so but again Iam not sure of al af et : ; ’ oo .. | the details, 20 i . he . n | Mx. Goldsmith, Do you know any other individuals who fa f 4 2 were familiar with Mr. Bishop whe have known him? . oe . 2 u ° a Mr. [utaary ol x n't know, Pexhaps Hc. (wensoal, pern . ! Dave Phillips. ' * 24 i . i 3% Mr. Gohdsmith.: ‘Was Mc. Bishop's office located at CIA
oP] -* . yo ye 3 Ho Mr. Geldsmith, Ro you xecall which floor his office was 4 | Jovated on? 5 if Mr, Fie: nantes, | No, sir. . b I Mr. Goldsmith, Do you know whether Mrs Bishop ever « 7 [. hy any other name? 8 |. Mr. Eidalgeo) No, Sir, Xt have no knowle ige of 9 [: other names. a _ _ 10 | Hx. Goldsmith, Would you make your best effort, p+ W a describe Mr. Bishop's fiscal descrip option? what did Ne look 13 i Mx. [reeo2 aise] { could not even make a mental image of | id 4x, Bishop right now, : | W proximat r € LS caday? i S| Mr. Golds smith, Approximately how old 38 he to 4 THe ‘t know. This must seem Strange to i 6 | Me, Eidargs] I don a ) | Hse —- How can XY say it? | 17 you, it really must, I know but, you sée How 4 | , hd y z A ame relationship of one agent to another is a thing that you | 2 a | - | | 15 | cey your best not to -- not to know. | i . re © I Mx. Goldsmith, Was Mr, Bishop an administrator ox a case | oan ; ; ae | 34 officer? zi} . : 3 cae Wy 2 fo%4: : | Mx. dale] I would say his position was higher than | 22 4 : ‘ mine, A little honcho against a chief. 83 a : od . ; ; cee | i Mr. Goldsmith, Where did you generally see him on those ! occasions when you did see him? | qs fi . a - | ia RA Sp nf A ak Zé fe ‘ : R ALEAK bah AAAS 1
da oh sa Dae inch nae o eaniaate eee SRO ERATE Sie tah. ‘cainly at my, ‘desk. number of times that you saw him? ar ne GRR) 3 imaging in ‘the agency @psheps. -, f lx, coldsmith. For cxanple, “in the hallway, in the . ooo an s Mr. EE anio In the hallways § or cafet éria, Never cer “me. Goldsmith. “What is your best ‘xecdllection as sto the» oP ae, (Fears) A . couple of times, two. “OF ‘three. Oe, Goldsmith. When you saw this “individual and you knew that he was Maurice pishop, how ¢ did you know that the gentlema that you had- in mind.was not that veurice Bishop? | | . ie. FFests3) Someone might have e sald, “That is Nauzice Bishop,” and it was different from Dave . Phillips Or, ita Swenso guys that f know. | ie Mr. Goldsmith. pid you know a man named Pirgault? Mx, fidatged XI don't think so. -Mr. Goldsmith. At this time. ES ‘yout Like | to show you an exhibit, L. believe it is JFK Exhibit Nos 104, and. t “vould ‘Like to ask you. to examine that and to: tell the committee whether 5 recognize that individual. a | Mr. Fiaargsl % don't believe BO sir, Mr.. Goldsmith. Thank you. You scam: put that aside now. pid you now an individual named Antonio Veciana Blanc? Mr. ARaatgs] Now this name sounds familiar to me in my Cuban operation, I don't know where, It may have been with. ~ . aaa : ” ~~ Fw FF Y . eee
aa _ . Sony’ : Aman agent. XC I:new ; 2 jp tae brigade or pay may have been an ayent 3 : ; 2 | Mieecanty hundreds i- hundreds ~~ of the Cubans. 2 3 | : Mr. Goldsmith, Did Mr. Bishop have any involvement in tl : 4 — of the brigade? By brigade 1 am not Yeferring to che 5 | bay of Pigs operation. : as / L oS . ; : Mr. PRdaige) X don't know if he dias “Twas not avare of ? j corres He might very well Have been involved in this ‘thin . | Mr. Goldsmith, Getting back to Me, Bishop, when vas the 9 | first time you saw him to ‘the best of your memory? i 10 | : Mr. [Fae2y9) XI would think about the carly Sixties. ad? Mr. Goldsmith, Were you ever formally introduced to him: 2 | : Me, xtetye ‘No. | | | oe | Mr. Goldsmith. Ana from the time that you first saw him 1 ; id an the early Sixties until the last time that you saw him, * ig | which I believe you said would have been about. 1969" or 1970, ‘16 | approximately how many times aid you actually see this, man? awl os Mr. GBaaige] Tt would not have been that late because in al late 1964 or early 1965 I left the Cuban operations and went t a | akother country of interest, sa in those times, say 1960 to o [> it might have been two. ox three times. | a | | Mr. Goldsmith. Is it fair to say in Light of your Jast 7 19 | comment that once you stopped working in Cuban ‘opexations, you : ny | Bere that particular area, you no longer saw Mr. Bishop? . za | Mr, Fitaargs] Tf x did, it would be just in the hallway oe ne i ané I don't think so. I was now in another part of the agency PE om eT ay wom Ab as caetet ils Bias