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14-00000 CO Bc nn} a iat AIR ° Seeret DISF :H KOs (eran. ; Se, DATEs «11 March 1955 sas TOs Chiof, FE a) i FRO s, Senior Representative, [(~?d "SUBJECT: GENERAL-- Intollizence — 22 . L 2> SFECIFIC-- Mooting with "Professor LAURA" (Subject of Guan) 7537) - REF: (GMANI=9539, DIR-39952 le Attached are two copies of a memerandum for the record on the Subject of a contact between Robert F. CHATHAM and "Professor LAURA® to whea referoncs wag nade in both(GMANIDIS39 and DIR-39952. This contact was made at the requaat of the doputy chief to MIDWATCH. A sanitised copy of the memorandum has been transmitted to the MIDWATCH office. Any ccticn in furtherance of the : discussions described in the memorandum would necessarily be talen by the ' lecal QDACID eatablishment. : 2. No plans are presently known for extending ONACID support to Subject; how= over, if any euch support were to be given by private persons (such as Secretary ARANETA) thie probably would not becass known to QDYOQXE circles. 3. It appeared from hig remorka that Subject had not ‘contacted KUBARK channals ; 4n tho courso of his current Asian tour -=- either in India oF Indoshinae Re Disorcet questioning revealed that the 2 March maeting under ARANETA 's iy eponsorehip was evidently Subject's first direct appoal, in tho course of 3 his current tour, to ODYOKE for asaistance. Howover, Subfect, may have been withholding details of other contacts with ODYOKE represontatives, This would appear a valid agsunption lo view of the fact that he denied (in responae to a question) that he had contacted ODICKE representatives recent- dy in Hong Kong (per paragraph five of GHAND-9539)« , 2 he | With reference to the potential for KUBARK purposes of Subject'g organisation, 4% became manifestly apparent in the course of his remarka that no cohesive vehicle exists for the purposes he described (however loudatory his purposes, = particularly in tho HanoieHaiphong arcas); that Subject has given only ihe limited attention to the types of materials to ba disseminated by his dey) *friends®; and that Subject appeared to bo far too unsyotematic to be i emtrusted with anything but the finished product in quantity (rather than ' funds to arrange for its publication). : a | fr Clarence T. Douthat Attactnonts fwo-coptes of memorandum as indicated above Gare YA
14-00000 Secret (429-9) 3497 ey) [? (15 3 Maren 1955 HEMORANDUN FOR THE BECORD: SUBJECT: Heeting with froscooal avin" On the evening of 2 March 1955, CHATHAM proceeded to the apartment of Agriculture Seoretary SalvadOryeRNETA with a menber of the OLACID political section and on ODSHOP etaff member. In brief convorgation with the ODCHOP offiear prier to - reaching the ARANETA hene, CHATHAM explained that he had beon insatrected not to  gpeoifigally identify hinself as anything but OLACID (that ia, net to claim UBIA eonnectionsa:; and that soxething was Enown of the * Professor's" activities elacwuhore, which though apparently well intentioned, were aubject to acme question from the OLYOKE polisy viewpointe The ODCHOP officer explained — that his only interest was in complying with tho wishes of ARANETA (with when he had close liaison relationship which he di. not wish to jeopardise in any way) that he bring some representative of OIACID by to meet hie guest. Ap ee te a ee We were ushered into tho ARANETA penthouse at 6:15 p.m. and were imnediately ‘ grooted by ARAKBTA himgelf and his wifo who evidently bad been converging on tho baleeny with the man they introduced es “professor LAURA" eo semewuhat care= fally enphacising the title and the nace; the latter was pronounced "LOU (ag in loud) RA® giving equal stress to bota syllablcs. * Subgect wes effusively friendly although quite shy in his greetings. His accent io extremely etrong, bearing sone resgiblanes to any Slavic group but with ocne other infBuenee as woll. He io approximately fifty (both in appsarangce and in egtual age), weers horn=rimmed glasces, oumnereweight eivilien clothes, and with a great ohook of vary white hair, worn long. Wa oat ino circle (except for Mro. ARANETA, who withdrew imacdiately). The ODSSOP man also dsparted very voon after our errival with epelegica end ate. st4on3 of anothor engagesent. Subject epread a small map.en tho flcer and --bagen peduting out the ercas of Comauniot influence and control (all ef ubich * wero marked im chades ef rod) and tho potential victias of the next Communist 4nsuroleas ogainst tho West. He focussed his attention (and ours) on Indoe A eoe Ln plc tin ER aE LT GN eT At CREE IE IB Rats ORO REET rene tek et arnt Svbgecd clreulstcd a quantity of pamphlets end brochures or megasiness in various iengunzes. He ciplained that be had persenally picked these w in ftibhe course of 6 wary feu Cays cpomt recently in India, thers he had been visiting villages ond talizing clth poeple. Us peimtcd cut that alesst ali tho publiesticns ware pre@ucsd dn Mcsocw and tho rosainder in Felping. Re cantimed by saying that tho Communists (Ruceien cp Chinsae) have a complete monopoly in beeka ead all ty of pxinted nattcr 2a Inria todsy, particularly in tls ezallor tours and oo Gilleges. Mest cf these publicaticzs ara circulated free; samo of thea cost * se or three or four annshss; ccm cro in English, others are in the varicug mrs [they are on every conceivable subject and are designed for all ages. p \ . Ln cd ‘a? Foe! AL ACLS AIF BF EP A TT
+ ensajthee EP secret Oe ane Gibgesd explained thad in India (ond in Inde-China) these publicatacns are being puarad into tho saallest haalots libs a flced from Nescou and Bed o tha pugple don’t have to essk roading catorials, nor do they have to go far for an — . i explamstien ef what theso pamphiots contain. “Laadera" or “oadres"® are averye . ° wiare to oxplain the aaterial, particularly in the seheols and among youths end BGUasHts o 43. caid (Aa amswer to a question) that he had ceen sane Ueproduccd materials in Gicao areas, but that thoy wero almost imposoible to find in the outlying eros, Ho pointcd’out that the Caxaunis? materiale wore cleverly dons and in ecz9 easss, beautiful onampies eof printing ond prepagania progentation. Sedfcct otated that ka 40 nev most intorcoted in the Haipheng and Eanel areas o? InteChina becausa these will be turnsd over to the Camaunists very soon fer their control, Es otated that hig idea is to flood those eritical places unich feces the Uonauaist tide momentarily with ag much antiezaterlaliatic, pro- Christian reading taterial as pecalble. Ha hopss thereby to *imaunise® the ninds ef tho cimple peasants and massca of peeple against the appeals of | athototio Comunisn end materialiotie dcotrines which they teach whieh turn mon against western ideas and civilisation. He displayed cavoral czxonples of via} bo ed in mind. Hos pointed cut that thece publications (eno of thase vas a thin, malticcolor French magasina entitied "Eieu igiste” ("Thare ic a Ged") which be had cequired in Parls, and which ho had given to "secre friends" in Ezigen to translate into North Vietraneasa dialects a8 soon as posaible, along with a few other items of a einilar nature. ‘ - Ea then explainad that in these critical vorder areas af indo-China there ore enoy Cathelica who will coon bs conpletely isolated from the West by the Communists. it io hie idea to reach these people bafore it is too late “through cur fiends thero” whom he deseribed as Catholic laymen and pricets or just plein pseple who vere willing to agaist in thio Write The tack is simple, end. cerely 4nvolves possing along reading materials to other known friends for further eireulatios eas breadly es peasiblo. These pacple have the capability to handle °large quantitics® of this material, he claimed, “Ths leadere® are exeng thea to tell them how, Ho did not explain who had instreated the ReaZora, or what they kasu, or uho they wore, in fact. He stated that this weg, in effcot, “undergroumd eetivity" and as such could not be deseribed in eny dsteil to enyons vho was mot "on the ground." He compared it to an Leo- barg Ghile, edi tting that ho waco thes prinolpal leader and motivating ferea. Kk ” ; 3i Ho explatined that ha bas "holpful frlonda® in Paris and Rema and Belgium end ad 3 cshar plesss who had boon avare cf bla ectivities cinse he bagan in 1953. He etaied that fin thio pericd, they had assisted his efforts working fron Roms 7 prinsipally into Poland and Dsochoalovakia end to a lesser extent, Yogeslavia, Piuy inte mente Loxgary end Remania. In fact, ho sought to intreduse "materiale" whorever he BY could bobind tho Iron furtain, by vhatdver acanma. Ho ozplained that his work =] eso Enews go(Casdins)) PISSENAN? (whoa he idantified only vagualy as "scasens om uhese estivitics wa certainly kesw abous") end ts sams ricane ag well, = Aneieting our cm Ambasaador to italy, ire} Clare Beotlgbice. He had just. - 3} | waviited fraa Rozeo He had gona to Saigon an October 193) te begin his efforts ua: , dd tgat country. He toured the cutiying areas for scua weeks before proceeding Be ' Go Roma via India. On returning, he had again stopped in India and thon = procesded to Saigon, : 3B tte
were ag en i wy LS Seeret The ingpiration to come to Haaila to sock belp had come froa "several Jesuit €rhengs® whoa be knsy bere fron “hsir former contacts in China. He bad been in Oise fren 1946 to 19k9e50, whan be had bsen foreed to leave for Teivan. He remaiesd thero until 1952, when he had had a heart attack and waa foreed to go to Ege for a rest. Hoe had had many friends on faivan end had "sepeat some ting" wi PR{OULANO Kaieghok explaining hig ideas for using Taduan oa a base for tea Adsolegicel conquest of the mainland” to reach the millions of Chinsse whoa the Cammnists had not yet wone Eg efid bio information indicated that a million guegrilles were sotive through} oat Chins ea late as 1958653, but now it vao tao lato. CHIAND ha described as a ghost, a chadcw, a legend cho wes coaplotely out of touch even with things in fadean., Ths Gino'a son, CiNANO Ching=-kuo, controlled overything: ho was ¢roinsd in Acacew, vas formerly a Communist, but was not one Ome Howsvers he wea a ruthloos, cynical tyrant who would soon dominate coapletely. He referred $9 the idea of the Nationalists returning to the mainland as “the wildeat felly == utterly abeurd and fantastic." this time we were ssatead at the teblo fer dinner. fra. ARANSTA Let olip(tvather-") ¢ subgeat went on to desorlbs the techniques and patterns of Communist cenqusst As pelicys Hs explained that he had been a partisan leader in Tugealavia and went on to explain the Tite position o% longth, decrying the acosptanss of taiteion® eo a broak fran Hescow when it was merely on aceamacdation. Us epeke of his travela in tho USSR after the ond of World War iI and of his detemiination \c: ‘go to the Far East to work against Coamunian. He aduitted, in response to a questica, that ho held an(italian)pasoport: "Tite did not want ne to leave. \\ fhe Cisoussion wont on to « lenythy examination by Subject of Sovict plans and perpesse, as he parceived thea frea his own porsonal expesure to Soviet militarists durifg the var and to thelr political oommiseora and cadres af hens and abread and o% all levele for yoara. Hie reviow was sometines incisive, sozstinas dangorcusly overvinplificd. ‘They could teke Buraa or Thailand tonight by telephens, and Formosa texorrcy night, the game way, Sut they won'te® He cauplaiecd the Seviot policy as calculated to baild up HEHKU ao a world figure, wnich wea ouceseding, einos ho was corving their purposes abroad beautifully, eltistgh ho do losing very faut at home. The Congress Party ie shot through with Camuuniats. It is only a matter of time until it ie cemplotely a Goumunist ~ fhe USSR did not vant a shooting wary they will continues a policy of prozoting Little vars to blesd US strength and buy tims. They are building atomic strength. Za 1947, ha had told Genoral GROVE that he know that overy losding eaatern Eurogesn etenio colentiot was at work in tha USSR and that it mast bs assumed that they had tho bombs TRUMAN did not edmit this until September 199. He faverca (this point was chesked by questions) soze teken atomic beabing by the U3 ef Gsvios cautsra of industry to deter thom fron their immsdiate aad leng range purpecss cad to shake tha regina frca within, Paranilitary (sic) ar other ‘ (ypa ection, through uhatever vehicle, would be dissipated to the winds «== would egzieve nothing bot buy o minute of time -= unless it was ocordinated on a world g2aie. Tho June 1953 East German riots wore our oppertanity); the West uissed 4% ty uot pouring in machineguna instead of vellwishes by redic,. ate ere EN &. eoMagtte tae ON ES wee ee mpeg eps ey Sess
oe ace eaten eameianiinge gs | B Asked what he wanted fraz us (or hoped to get, or neéded most, or vould settle fer) ho said ho vould liza to be able to print Literature for diotribution in | ttgnongetanos fiemediately. "Wo have until the end of April." He thought his gamtaste and frierda could handle 300,000 copies == this figure took several ceazonto to come out. Ho knew there was sons capability for this in the usIs mechanion hore, which had ooze regional responsibility. Ho doubted that the typafaces for Vietnamese @Gialects vere available here (thie point wes raised to digcover if posoible wnat inquiries he had mado). Ha haa 4 *planslead* {a gvantity, he admitted on questioning ) of booka and pamphlets collected for him in Belgium and France for distribution in Indo-China. Ho ooked if it would ve possible for hin to coe MIDWATCH before he (Subject) left for Saigon, Ho realised that Chief OLACID had had very little tise while he wap here acd thus had no hope of seeing hin, Ha would wait until ap- prozimately 7-8 Haren to seo “MULMWATCH if poseible. No promises of an appointe ment were made. Ho gava ons copy of tha Freneb-language publication as an example of vhat ho had in mind fer circulation. It was explainad to hia (and to the Scoretary) that vo were in no pesition to make any sort of goamitaent, but that wo would bring bis otery to the attention of the proper people at ODACID, oventuslly ineluding, if pozaible, Chief OLALID, by normal channels to headquarters city. fThio was very gratifying to both men. Thay thanked us profusely. When we were leaving, the Soaretary followed va Sut to the elevator, He axe plaived that thig man yaa, in fact but hed asked for o onable him to carry of 6 work, He accepted o re a regulit of the aasurancea oj He (the Scaretary) hoped we could arrange vome assiatange for this cause .d6Parting was vory cordial, Subject makes a very strong inpreosion for his trenendous spirit of dedication to hio task. Ho is a strong personality with considerable intelligence, but his manner is vory reserved and rathar schye Hie shyases may derive in seme measure fron the Linguistic barrier; his English ia quite limited, and several times he used French words or expresoions without appacently being aware ef thins Subject deas not appear to be woll physical y, 18 extremely nervous, and ate vory Mttle at dinnsr. Hs uss not at ease in this sociel situation. oO ee oe Secret — CPA-F = pariors want he REPROD aN cae ste tearen © Ls 3 CARD. Tee ted co mass Se