104-10330-10081 . MAR 31 ’S7 12: @2PM Le CLASSIFIED FAX TRANSMISSION ~ 202-724-0088 To: —_— Barry Harrelson Date: March 31, 1997 Fax #: 703-613-3060 Pages: 17, including this cover sheet. From: Michelle Combs _ Subject: | DS&T and DO Briefing Questions ~ COMMENTS: Attached are the final versions of the DS&T and DO briefing questions. There are no changes in the DS&T questions, Questions have been added to the DO list to reflect our conversation March 19 and 20. You, of course, already have our detailed explanations for the earlier DO questions. If you have any questions or if there are any problems, please give me a call. I should be in all day. See you tomorrow. Michelle
13-00000 a MAR 31°97 12:@3PM P.2 HILINGUAL 1. What kinds of records might the DS&T maintain on the HTLINGUAL project? How could these records be queried? ga: ti 1. What kinds of records would TSD or other offices of DS&T have maintained on the various Castro assassination plots? How might a search query be framed to isolate these records?
P.1 | A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed | BEN R. RICH AND LEO JANOS | ‘LITTLE, BROWN AND COMPANY BOSTON NEW YORK TORONTO LONDON
13-00000 MaR 31°97 12:04PM ‘ ’ . Pie ‘ Ss 3 SEP 1 5 1994 bs 194 We . Sos nigut on | "Can ©1994 by Ban Rich stp zesetved, No part of this book'may be reproduced in form or by any blectronic or mechanical means, i storage’ ac re! systems, except by a . oe ae sen eae rs. * Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data Rich, Ben R. i Skunk Wi +a personal menitr of my years atLoticheed /Ben R. Rich and Leo j Janos, — Lat " tnchided index | I Lockheed Advanzed Develo Compan: ttisto 2. Rich, pment jory. Ben R. — : Career ta aeronautice, et Deropment Company — United States — History, LL ; Janos, Leo. 1. Title. IIL Title: Skunk Works. : TLS65.R53 1994 - . 338.7'623746'0973 — de20 94-8732 | | ‘8 . 0987684321 MVRA _ Published simultaneously in Canada by Little, Brown & Company (Canada) Limited Printed in the United States of America
13-00000 ie RAB Pb we ww PF re YW MS bh bk Be T flights that Bissell got Kelly to sequester four of our test flight twice as heavy as. ours and with 4 maximum altitude of only agency got-them into Soviet hands orly Mr. B knew, and he OVERFLYING RUSSIA ib8 ' The next thing we tried \ was 4s something called ‘a Salisbury . '- screen, a metallic grid applied to the airplane's undercarriage in the hope of deflecting incoming radar beams, but it worked only at some frequencies and altitudes and-not at others. ‘Kelly thought it was more ‘practical to. try special iron, fer- rite paints that would absorb a radar ‘ping rather thant bounce it back to the sender. The paints were moderately ef-. fective but inhibited heat dissipation through the airframe’s outer skin and: we experienced overheating engine problems. But the paint-loweréd the radar cross section by one order of magnitude, so ‘we decided to give it a try. We called these specially painted airplanes “dirty birds” and shipped the first one out for flight testing in April 1957. Our test pilot, Bob Sieker, took-the U-2 up to over. seventy thousand feet and — suddenly radioed that he was experiencing rapid airframe heat buildup. Moments later his engine blew out and the face. plate blew off Bob's oxygen mask as his pressure suit in- stantly inflated. ‘The U-2 dove straight down and crashed. It took us three days to locate the wreckage-and Bob's. body, An . autopsy revealed that above seventy. thousand feet he: had suffered ‘acute hypoxia and lost consciousness in only ten seconds. The culprit that killed him was & defective faceplate clasp that cost fifty cents. The CIA was so desperate to’buy time for these Soviet over- engineers and have them write a bogus flight manual for a.U-2 fifty thousand feet that carried only scientific weather gear in its bay. The manual included phony instrument panel photos with altered markings for speed, altitude, and load factor limits. Four copies.were produced and then artificially aged’ with grease, coffee stains, and cigarette burns. How or if the never told.
13-00000 MAR 31°97 12:@5PM P.4 Questions for Follow-up DO Records Briefing April 1, 1997 1, At what point did the DDP begin to keep records of destroyed records? For. example, in a Cold Warrior footnote, Tom Mangold reports that as any of Angleton’s files were destroyed, "a complete record was carefully maintained about what had been done. (George) Kalaris signed off on every file and the DCI’s office was notified." (p. 143) Where are these records? 2. Could an archival search be run on specific topics for retired records at the CIA’s Record’s Center? Perhaps an ARRB staffer could be present during the search to review the abstracts and to suggest other fields or topics to be searched? 3. Could a crypt search for records containing relevant crypts be run through cryptographic reference? How would queries need to be framed and stated? 4. Why is it so difficult to develop a list for all personnel (official, contract, administrative, or TDY) assigned to the post referenced in RIF 104-10065-10199 from 1959-1964? 5. We have been working to identify all technical and surveillance operations in and on the Cuban and Soviet consulates and embassies in Mexico City between September 1 and December 1, 1963. How can we frame a search query to determine if we have a comprehensive and complete list of all operations at that time? 6. How can a search query be framed to document all electronic take produced by the Mexico City Station in the immediate wake of the assassination (the first month) and during the period of Oswald's visit? How can we verify that what exists in the Sequestered Collection represents all records of the technical production that was available at the time of the assassination? If additional records or original production still exists, where would it be stored or filed? What searches could be conducted to retrieve any additional records? If such electronic take has been destroyed, do records exist of the destruction? 7, Could you describe the process by which operational funds are proposed, approved, received, and distributed (circa 1963). What funding and disbursement records exist? How are they organized? How should a request be formulated to institute a reasonable search of these records?
13-00000 MAR 31°97 12:05PM , P.5 8. We have seen DDP monthly operational reports which contain information on the allocation/distribution of operational funds. Are there other DDP records which would reflect how certain projects utilized their funding? How are these records organized? _ How should a search query be framed? | 9. Various open sources have linked the CIA to various journalists and publishing companies during the 1960's. How should a query be framed to search for connections between the Agency and journalists or publishing companies? 10. Did the Agency have any relationship, projects, or contacts with publishing houses during the time of the assassination and in the aftermath of the Warren Commission? How would a search be formulated to determine whether or not the Agency had a relationship with any of the same publishing houses that were also publishing books about the assasgination? 11. How would a query be framed to search for files on any office or person dealing with organized crime and Cuba? How should a request be formulated to institute a reasonable search on this topic? 12. Is there a comprehensive record or list detailing the identities of individuals on the Interagency Source Register? How are these records organized? How can a search query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular individual appears in the _ Register. 13. How could a search query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular individual was given access to classified information by DCD (then OO)? What kind of files are assembled in the process of clearing non-Agency contacts / sources for access to classified information? 14. ARRB’s Request for Additional Information and Record No. CIA-13, dated November 1, 1996, contained the following questions: A. What forms of backchannel communications were there between the Mexico City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters during 1963? By “backchannel” we mean, inter alia, any administrative, senior staff, or restricted access communications, or any written or electronic communications other than regular cables or dispatches (of the type included in the JFK Collection). B. Were there, in fact, any backchannel communications between the Mexico City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters during the time periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov 1963?
13-00000 MAR 31 7°97 12:@6PM , P.6 C. _—‘ To the extent that there were any backchannel communications for the time periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov. 1963 (other than those currently contained in the JFK Collection), please make such records available for review. Why has it been so difficult to answer these questions? 15. ARRB’s Request for Additional Information and Record No. CIA-14, dated December 23, 1996, documented our request for the annual or biannual Station reports for Mexico City Station for 1963 and 1964. Why has it been so difficult to provide these reports? 16. The attached Agency document released in 1996 contains the paragraph: 11. A memorandum marked only for file, 16 March 1967, signed M.D. Stevens, says that J. Monroe SULLIVAN, #280207, was granted a covert security approval on 10 December 1962 so that he could be used in Project _ QKENCHANT. (Clay) Shaw has # 402897-A. What do these numbers mean? What does the “A” at the ends of Shaw’s number signify? Do the files identified by these numbers still exist? Why was Sullivan granted a covert security approval? 17, During the period 1959-1963, what was the purpose or goal of QKENCHANT? 18. Under what circumstances were non-agency employees given covert security clearances for the QKENCHANT project? 19. Did Clay Shaw receive a covert security approval for the QKENCHANT project? Why was one needed? Did Clay Shaw receive covert security clearances for any project other than QKENCHANT 20. What did Clay Shaw do within the QKENCHANT project? 21. Do records exist to account for the disposition of all files on Clay Shaw? 22. Did Howard Hunt have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior to 1964? . 23. Did J. Monroe Sullivan have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior to 1964?
13-00000 MAR 31 797 12:96PM SECRET SECRET 24. The DO telephone directories list an Operational Services /Defector Staff beginning in October 1959? What was the Defector Staff? Did it have an operational component? SECRET SECRET
13-00000 MOR Bh 292. 12:87PM 5 fre: a a ae PA -« ‘ ; , TS a ded Sipe ARED tz . ; wana ey FER BL, toes46 sare JFK aot) oe é “o pled. jayleom, aig ~do-atad + apeeunh of whet 1% pul foes Gist Lgreres * Wstetonty eine o Di quph) fim 9 k elvertnne 4 far pore ls - eee ee wae as fo me oes HISTORICAL REVIEW PROGRAM Cea ae ioace As Sanitzed | ae Enolosure 21 Tf va unebaled n ea o eopt et can tae SUBJECT: Clay L\ SHAW (201-813493). . 4d. Subject was born on 17 March 1933 in New Orleana, Loufleiana. ‘ ¥ 2. Standard background information on subject ‘ ' (pavants, marital etatus, records of education and employment, atc.) Le lacking because SHAW was a contact of the Domestia Contact Gervice. 3. Traces on Subject have been xun in RID/Main index, the index of the Office. of Gacurity and tha - Central Cover Staff. The first showed only a 1951 Far interview with SHAW about a former employee of tha New, Oxleans International Trade Mart. ‘The second showed that 00/Contacts Division had requested a name trace ; . ‘about 1949 and that the check of FBI records then con- . wat ducted waa negative, Central Cover Staff shad nO record. 4. Some of the 00-B reports basad on SHAW' s geporting ara on hand. They are the following. (It ie noted that the souros degoription identifies the ‘source by job title.) tos ‘a. OO-B 47958, 26 March 1982, concerns 2 : ; a letter written to the publié relations . director of the international Trade Mart by one De. Jutta SCHALLER, a trade Gonaultant to the Ronn Government. The .* letter 4a a follew-up of disousaiona held we of in New Orleans during Decembar 1951, ‘The f . letter said that Soviet production and ¥ ° export trade were mrs advertised and , | A _ Bocumant (430. AF ool ~¥ “ “> for FOIA Review ont UEC 1977 oe
13-00000 ot yee : 4 oy ’ ; ry oo os engag ae : AOLBARSD, pen P.L. 102-836 (oF act | BABA SD Lint nye . DATE . ai a i. a6 promoted by West German money. The ublication Wer Liefert Was?, published n Leipeig, Ta now also belng published ‘ dn Hamburg, ata price much lewer than . competitive volumes. b, 00-B-9381, 27 Decdmber 1948. Information acquired 1@ December’ 1948. SHAW (identified 5 by job title) has agreed to lease to the .? CBR government 1,000 faet of apace for a - , dLep ay of mezchandise in New Orleans. Tha : jeasa @ for one year, starting 1 April - So 00-B-4933-49, 14 June 1949, information Gate late April and early May 1949, Ragults oo . of a trip SHAW made in March through, May ‘us 1949 in Weet Indies, Central Amariaa, and . Northern, Séuth America. ~~ 4. 00-D-4934—49, 14 June 1949, same general subject and background as above. : | @. 00=B~4935-49, 14 June 1949, as above. #. , 00-B=35477,'29 dune 1951. Results of a SHAW txip in 1981 in Central and South America and the Caribbean araa. $: . 5. On 9 May'1961 Ganeral C. BP. Cabell, then PDCI, addressed tha Foreign Policy Association of New Orleans, I¢ is believed that ha was introduced by Clay SHAW. 6. On 3 March 1967 the Washington Star reported . that Garrison had arrested SHAW and had made publia . charges that SHAW, FERRIE, OSWALD, and others had plotted : the assaseination dn the apartment of FERRIZ at 3306 .° Louielans Parkway, New Orlasnhs. SHAW has said ‘that he never sew OSWALD. He denies having used the name Clay BERTRAND. nek 8S. MARTIN gaid that FERRITE had mantioned {ak . Scot ae WO Ody wo ous GID oUH AvarUBEMETERENEMETY GusmEeTDEN sto shitty» STEP .
13-00000 P.18 ft : = . ro “ga”," ee segue g “ ; . — soar eee *e : Lo . y MRORABRD FRR PL. 108.896 (OFX an | * oe ° t SHAW to him. J.. Monroe SULLIVAN, executive diractor of tha San Francisca World Trade Canter, told the Associated Preas that SHAW was in San Prancisco and touring the : Canter with him on the day of the asaasaination. SHAW, now watived, was formexly the managing director of the Intexniational Trade Maxt in New Orleans, He La $4 yeara eld. Ramsey Clark, U.S. Attormmey Ganaral, said that the PBI had investigated SHAW late in 1963. “On the evidence that the SBI has, there wags no connection found" with the apsaseination. . ‘ 7. - Memorandum No. 84-67, 3 March 1967, from Chief, Naw Orleans Office, to Director, Domestie Contact Service, re ° . a. The f€iret contact of the New Orleand office . @f the DCS with Clay SHAW occurred in December 1948. A nama check raquest wae -getugned "no infe".on 23 Maxch 1949. SHA was contacted by Mx. Runter Leake of the New Orleans offica saven times in 15949, twice in 1950, fiva times in 1951, nine times in 1952, once in 1953, twice in 1954, so twica in 1955, and twice in 1956. SHAW . . : is the source of eight 00~B reports sub- a mitted by the New Orleans office. At one s Last contact took place on 25 May 1956 On 23 January 1967 Jack S&S. MARTIN: phoned tha New Orleans office, sald that he was working on an important undercover daal 8 for.Garrison and Deteetive Loula IVON, and was calling at IVON's request. la was culling to agk the head of the CIA office to telephone IVON on his unlisted number. No such call wag made. ‘The writer, Lloyd A. Ray, aoke that tha General Counsel be -informad and that he provide advice. &. Undated and unsigned memorandum (probabl 2 produeed hy Cr/R &@ A). The following additional {ntor- mation was provided by the New Orleans office of DCS. ‘, ; [iJ al adalat ° atte
12: GaP , ; Pit _|srecbcao ar nee Haron ARCHES . ‘ ; mage one, cry » a hose Sines 28 May 1956 ie. [Fimsuamateaitvnd ean SUNT ens sually, ‘ pa by ghonea, In various déwntewn Row “oxleans rortbaurante, °- ‘ and qxqatings were exchanged. » Tha- last much casual Po eancounte. was. use before SA's retirement in 1065. ; nn 9, On 9 “Maxch ioe? Pavan publichad netiole ~' _ *  @atied "Clay Shaw of tha EYA* “Gatelined * Roe» & Hageh a 1967, weltten by Vi YORMAKOV, Thea acticle charged thet. - me, Cia wade, use ef! the services of Clay SNA fox GIA's cw . inksvagts in italy. Tha Dybkwéa piece notos that the: DA ; . in Now @rleana ia accusing SUA ef paxticipation in tha. , agnosedination’ conspiracy. Tk gays SHAN gpeht “com: yenzs" see in Bom: an & Weld tends Concer laadow. Te claim: thet My the Cankes'.wae 6 comer few finanaing entieGosmundios achlyLty. a GIA gave dlxectivues to BUA, ‘The orld grade Canter was me a byanch of “Pazmiden” (sfc), “which the nowepapors in -_ . Suitzaxlond openly eecuced of ‘eximinsd onorntions' sone ae (Commants ‘St. sppearce that. all of tha Pravas ehargen- age i  "..  angomea,-O8eept thet thera was a CIA“CUAW Hoiationship. Sa ri fax as. is. knowns SUAK wen newor agked to usa nin eedation-  - 5 ‘shia with ‘tha: World Trede Canter for elendastine puxposes . un ‘da fact, ne has nat hoon in *ealy } . - “Sf ggy: “ Hemoran dun: Secs emer eEOCy STE eB Peak -  * 4967 subjocke :, Tkaldon ROTA ots of ho clay Wag A€fale. a . The Coveleda: Bells: Bova af 8 Maxcl 1967 haa Aa Akthets | . a * ghoul SHAN, She adigiaination, ond, the, Yorld rede Cantere ‘ne 7 ae no galdvent information, , : . ® £ 2 a fhamiosan dsm maykad only fer fila, 18 Haxveh 1067, a Hae Seyand, ooyd, thet J. Sorxroa SULLIVAN, $280207, Waa geancad a egvart geenuhty soproeal on 10 Recambax, 1962 ao soot ald bo usad An Project GREUCHANT. SUA has - S402 00% eg % : els. * 33L cttomosandam een ete cai IMMA 24 Naxch . (1 29677- Gubjadat: ‘“8xaaa ReENLES on “Raeons Goaneeted with - contra. tondisie. Comierci ain” (Wordd trade Conker), filed “ sa fendoxe Clay SHAW ~ wore Samey POSIT, “pe
13-00000 LO REE elt yi ghee : a . j MBLAASED PRA PL. 102-896 pre age | . Se | : Ro De | Galen cayay, a al te Bn “8 ‘ a? a Sinca.25 May 1936 Me. Hunter: Leake had seen SHAW casually, by chamca, in various downtown New Orleana xastaurants, and greetings were exchanged. The last euch casual encounter was just before SHAW's retirement in 1965. fe 8. On 7 March 1967 Pravda publighed an axrtiele - - galled "Clay Shaw of. the GIA™ datalined Rome, 6 Marah .° 1967, written by V, YERMAKOV, ‘The article charged that. . . CLA mada use of the services of Clay SHAW for. CIA's own : interests dnItaly. The Pravda place notes that the DA in New Orleans igs accusing SHAW. of participation in tha assassination conspiracy. It eays SHAW spent “some years" : in Roma as a World Trade Canter leader. It claims that oy the Centar wag'a cover:for finanoaing anti-Communist activity. : CXA gave directives to SHAW. The World Trade Canter was @ branch of *Permidax" (alc), "which the newspapexe in Switeserland openly accused 62 ‘oriminal operations’... .* (Comments: .2¢ appears that all of the Pravda charges ara | untrue, axcept: that there wag a CIA-SHAW ralationship. 60 far as ie known, SHAW was naver asked to use his raiation= Ship with the World Trade Center for alandastine purposes . and, in fact, he has riot bean in Italy.) vs . 10. Memorandum from C/EUR/Z to C/CI/R & A, 8 March 1967 subjeact:. Italian Aspecte of the Clay Shaw Affair. The Corriere’ délia Sera of 5 March 1967 has an artiele ' about SHAW, the Assassination, and the World Trade Center. . . Contains no calavant infermation, 22. A tamorendwn marked only for file, 16 March 1967, signod M.D.. Stevens, says that J. Monroe SULLIVAN, §280207, was gGranted.a devert security approval.on 10 Bacembar 1962 so that he could ba used in Project EJENCHANT, SHAW hag #402897~a, ‘ 12. Mamorandum from C/EUR/I to C/CI/R & A, 24 ‘March . 1967,. Subject: “Trace Rasults on Persons Conneated with Centra MondLale Commerciala® (World Trade Center), filed CX/R'& A folder, Clay BHAW = working papers, © - | LF : Rees, : wee
MAR 31 ’97 . 12:09PM & rors “Seeking Yruth in New. OxTeans Night", Gaoxge Lardner, Jr. 3 See" | REPROQUEES Af Fl RATIONAL ARG EVES s af . owe *  08L, Be HARA a %e on, DATE, THR PL, 108-896 (37K acry | The S: March 1967 issue of I) Messaggero . idinks SHAW with the World Trade-Center. — Others linked toe the cantar were traced, with resulta reported in this.mamorandum. . No’ relationship to the Garrison invastigation ‘appears here. A xeport on "Baxmidex”, a Gwise corporation with principal offices . in Rome, is algo in the file because the World Trade Centar and Permidex are - asgeclated. Again, there is neo information here which relates aignifleantiy ta the ease Garrison ia trying to bulld in New Orlaans.,. : . ‘13. The Washington Post, Outlook, 2 April 1967, the Middle of the Garricon's men droya RUSSO to SHAW's French Quarter homa, RUSSO poged as a Mutual of Omaha galeeman. He knecked at door; SHAW anewered.. RUSSO said that he Was Clem BERTRAND. , SHAW ia a Sd-year 014 bachelor ‘and socialite who pioneered the 33-atory Internationel Trade Mace in New Orleana. He was subpoenaed by Garrison's office on 1 March 1969. According to his friends, his questioners dié not advise him of his vighte., They told him they had evidenae of a maeting with FERRITE and OSWALO. There wae a fuse and SHAW waa ane e ee and booked on conspiracy tea murder JPR. That night Garrigon'sa man raided SHAW's apartment and confiscated whips, ahainge, a black net cap, a cape and hood. RUSEO told reporters that he did not know Clay SHAN, but he identified the man arrested by Garrison as Clém BERTRAND. Choon erent feet,
13-00000 a Mr, Ouaxes, We: [ thick in cack cage it wit depend se much om the alieation with the particular person. if @ permen comes lo and be ie very agitated or something of that kind, it might dictate a totally different approach (han a ditfer~ ent kind of thing: Mr. Dow, Woulde’t ik be uaetal though te give—I don went to sugrest what the Seeretary of State should de in this, bat In the light af thie experl- ence, would there not be some benefit possibly in giving people in the field the reenlt af the experience giloel In Chia pertienlars cave? Mr. Gare. Well, the general approach, and other matiere related to it, ete tlowhed on in orfentetion courses for congglar officers amd eo on. T think aa [ look on Consul Bopder’s actons, Ghat he behaved very munch Hke & respon- sible Foreign Service offices, That happened long before I was in the Departrient, so I can pay that without! any tevolvament. But seemed te me thet be dld- just what be ghowld beve done, desplie the unfortunate aliermath. And it ehows to me, at lensi, that the training and orientation that these people are getting ie right, is serricealie, and they are able to handle these situations as they come tn.” . - Mz, Dorzxa.-1 realise thet you ought not te preseribe bard and: fast roles, Just raine the question as to whether # gvod deal of experience basn't ben gained _in this ease in that very Geld. Me. Ggares. Well, ie may very well be that more ettention te that particular -asgect should be‘given in the orlentation courses amd so on. Thaee things pend t refieet wheat (0 hot at the moment you mow, and If you haven't hud trouble with something for pretty long time, it tends maybe not te get snentlonmead. - Reprasentative Fax. If Oswald bed persisted that day, October Bi, in de- \ manding the form that is a prerequisite under your definition for renumelation, would Snyder have been required to give it to him and permit him to eign it? Me. Guavus. I think if it hed been in ordinary office hear when the can- silnte wes open for business, and if Bayder was eatlefied that he was compebent, thet Oswald was competent, he world have t ghre bim the fom, yes, alr. Begresentative Foxe. Dees Suyder. hare the authority © make a determine-’ Uon of compeleney? We: Caves. Nos be docan’t heve the authorily ( make a determination of competence, and X suppose it is possihle at soma point to get the lesue tried in court. But I think » ‘conmler officer would probably be acting within hla discretion if he saw sombody who was drank or raving or something and just . said; “Well, I am not going.te give you this antl I am sure that your action is your ac.” Afber all; when the consul aceeptx the oath, he is certifying that it is the se ef the person in @ meaningful senge, and go if he thought that the “person wae incompetent, I think be would beve diseretion not to give the oath, Hot I pot thet fer eslde becatse ly the particular cose bore, Mx. Rayder made if ‘Clear that he had no reason to Gout thet Qewald waa fall} competent. And wo Uf Oewald hed bem there at a Ume when'the office was open, or had returned ai a Ume when the office was open, and had persieted in bis demand, T think Snyder would have been ender an obligation to give hi the dom. Rereecentative Tou, The only techwicel weesocl or lacie toon which Engder emild bave denied Ouwald fhe right thet day wae the fact that [t was om & Baturdsy, a hon-worklagtiour peeled of the Timbungy. Mr, Cuavea. Yeu: I think he had every right to try to Giesuads him, or por evade hin met bo act or perenade bie to think ( over avd come back the meat day, But if after all of that Overald still had'said “But E want to do it new” and if the office wae epen for using, then I think he would have bad to de it. . Me. Dowes. 1 think i might be nsefal if i has net bee done to introdacs at this paint a4 an exhibit the form of oath of remmnciation. Here ie Gye stor ay OX (tite CAAYES -, Dger ite | oy FA. POPPERS, Sag eg W744 of ead Co Jest Le malized oath and I think-it woald be well te have this in cox records unless it bs already in our records. Representative Fou, I aeree. * ’ Wir, Cyouewanr Boy dt dent Could we say it will be marked as Commisaton Fxhibit No. 855 and place this sticker on that"page, photostat it and then Just wel 16 hele? that there is a broad range of discretion thet should be exercised here. Bet © arfCamaanon Mh No. S65 wan marked for Wentention and rere | Regecumtative Peer. Wea Oowald came back on November 8,1 believe, which was @ regular working dap—. : air, Cotman, Mx, Cisiioner, ho did not come back on Norenber 8. “He s merely waole a lobter. : oe “ : A Mr. Guavge, Wrote a letter. He never came back. . ; uy Representative Foan. Are af af the employees, Mx. Aoyder,. Me. “woes oe andthe others who had any. firsthand contact. with the. Omwald cave.in this ¥ area, were they Slate Department employees?.,- .. - es tir, Cram, Yes, sit; these. two men. who, were’ the only opes whi id pee ; hini dizéctiy, i think the. mectetary, thelr secretary aio saw him, bat. bed nothing bee to de with him. eocept as. a receptionist. meee fre. ment were Nurelgn. Serv. ied EE ee res Berries ofcert: “i Representative Foss, Xn the strictest term. _ , oo a win Clarke. Yeu, ‘President with the. : Tagecedcative Pann, Goned Toe aee e as mre etal ihe jeoces fant you followed or the procedure that you carried out when you first got into the “Dewald tage, — You mentioned-yesterday you got a cell or you were directed by I beileve the Secretary of State ar by somebody in higher authority te tuke certain stops. Whi you tell us whe celled you, what you did in the fivet 8 or 4 days? Me, Cusiza. It was the evening of the day, perhaps allout § o'clock ‘on the day of the amassinetion. It may have bein somewhat earller, beceiwe I tilnk X remetaber T went home for an hour eat Oren ag eaETy out this that Oswald had some history as Me. On ares. Ho was thar the Acting boosts ecanse fie Secreiary of Riste ag you recall was on a plane over the Pacific, . Bo he was the Actiig Becretary, But even if he had been the Under Noorelary he fe ary Heat. mo Repeceentalive Form, Be oll! had some authority, . Nx. Cuawes. Yes: he directed me te gnther together the ies in the Department on Oawanld, and to prepare a report to. be-avaliable for him the first thing in the morning Covering as best we could within that Hime span the contacts that Oswald bad with the Department, We got the passport fle. We got the security office dik. We got the epecial - consnlax services fle which covered Mrs. Owwald’s visa and thé repstriation toma:  I-think these three flew were the ome that we bed. Ti may have been there was « gmalier fourth fle, bul I think those three were the anes, Representative Form, What woald thatemmlles fourth ale be? iis, Gaarxe. [can't remember, 1 was duplicates if it was anything. Oh, that je night, we hed a vise fle eed an BCS file eo those were the four. The 809 file, thet Je Special Consular Services.n the offiee, in the Bureau of Security wml Copsuler Affeirs, : Representative om. You got this order on or aboitt 6 clock the 224 of November? Miz. Cease, The 22d; yeu, wir. “ Bepresniaiive Youn, And you ieoued orders to have these Blee brought in, ov did you go aud got them yourself? . My. Ooawmes, Ne. Beprsseniitive Foes, Or what happened? - State Dept: emp lou By. Cmaves. 1 leened orders te have them hrought in, am tiryme “te te think how we got then. to Mr. Eietich.) Did you go down and get them? Mr. Ehvlich and anolher of my people, we worked dD. thromeh the might om (this, ree af ue all together end i¢ may be thet the’ two of them went down, te get then. 7 don't Think wo Just called ever the tele- Phone and aeked them te be bewaght up. - i . (Oleewesion off the record.) soe Mr. Ouaras, It 14 my recollection that one of these two gebtlenen, either a Ble “Wikewilig a Tile Pomel ae artis ow