AGENCY RECORD NUMBER RECORD SERIES AGENCY FILE NUMBER ORIGINATOR FROM TO TITLE DATE PAGES SUBJECTS DOCUMENT TYPE CLASSIFICATION RESTRICTIONS CURRENT STATUS DATE OF LAST REVIEW COMMENTS HW 532716 DBocld: 32404701 OPENING CRITERIA : Date: 01/31/01 Page: 1 _ JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM IDENTIFICATION FORM Released under the John Kennedy CIA bssassination Records Ollection Act of 1992 Tee 20035 . (44 USC 2107 Note). ; asex#:NWU 53216 Date: NOSENKO RECORDS be -14-2019 AGENCY INFORMATION DOCUMENT INFORMATION CIA TRANSCRIPT:REEL #3. NOSENKO INTERROGATION BY DERYABIN, 28 JULY 1965. 07/28/65 - 87 NOSENKO DERYABIN NBR } PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SECRET : POSTPONED IN FULL 01/31/01 | OFK-M-24:F36 2001.01.31.11:29:41:417084: NOSENKO NOT BELIEVED RELEVANT (NBR). ATTACHED IS HSCA STAFF REVIEW FORM DATED 26 APRIL 1978. SEE F34 FOR KEY TO TRANSCRIPT. Page 1
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Reel #3 28 July 1965 HW 53216 TRANSLATION How are things today? (Concerning what?) In general; condition; mood. What kind of good mood can I be in? I have been sitting here 481 days -- that is, 16 months; one year plus four months of a second year, (2G) Is it a secret or not, how you are counting? Why do you think it has been 481; why do you think that you are not mistaken? No, it is no secret; no, no, absolutely. You understand; it already, so to speak, has been developed, as is said, I have acquired some kind of prison experience. The habit of counting, etc., has been developed, and it has changed. Well, you understand, if I had counted from the very beginning, day by day, and each day, I would have become confused, but having come to a definite date, you throw out this date, but here you know: exactly a year has been completed, let us say, the third of April completes a year exactly. I am judging by myself; I would have been lost, of course, being in such a situation, I think; I would not know how to calculate accurately. DoclId: 327404701 Page 4
SECHET B. No, so I have, this is my only occupation.... Then, you see, there is a whole series of ways (prichina) by which it is possible to check. A. But what did you have in mind when you said "prison experience", that you had.... B. I had in mind that.... A. ...At some time had prison experience? B. Never in my life, with the exception of the time I was in the guard- house. I have in mind that I... have developed... prison experience, therefore I.... ((XG)) ((A and B speak at the same time))- A, ...A long time is necessary to develop and.... B. This is not lone? What do you mean’ It has been a great length of time. A. ‘There are people who sit in prison 10, 15, 20, 25 years, and even their whole life; then, I understand, one will gain prison experience; it develops; a person learns some other... but for you it has been only a little more than a year. B. One can serve time in different ways, one can serve time in different ways. You know, (XG) you yourself raised this question. One can do time in different ways. I understand it thus: a person is doing time; he knows why; let us say ~ a criminal, he has killed someone, or he has robbed a bank, he has robbed a person, he has raped someone; he knows why he is doing time. HW 532716 DBocld: 32404701 Page 5
HW 53716 DoclIda: 327404701 Page 6 =a S Alright; a political offender, he knows why he is doing time, he knows why he is doing time, and he has been given a sentence of 8, 10, 15, 20, 3 or 4 years, he counts off the time. While I do not know why I am doing time, absolutely; when on the basis of suspicion alone, when precisely only in my position, a person who has lost absolutely, absolutely everything; I absolutely have nothing, and I do not have anyone, neither friends nor, well, I absolutely am alone, quite alone. There am I == a finished foul traitor, the most foul, who certainly has already been sentenced to death; here I sit. What are you thinking -- that the hangman's rope has been waiting for you for a long time? I do not doubt this; of this, I have no doubt. Do you still think that... you will not find an answer to the question: "Why are you here"? Because they do not believe me. It is the only reason. If the question stands thus, I think that we might continue our conversation; perhaps, finally, anyway, we will find, as.I said in our last meeting, we will find a common language. Perhaps you will give me supporting information (podtverzhdeniye), something other than what you said earlier. The last time we began to speak of your arrival in Moscow in 1952, when you said that you had arrived there from the Baltic. I think that perhaps we will go back a little bit and throw some light on one more question. I wanted to ask you == before this, how many years were you in the Komsomol? From 1943 to 1954.
HW 53716 From 1943 to 1954. During this period while you were in the Komsomol, did yoursreceive any Komsomol punishments? For the whole period in the Komsomol, I had only one punishment, received in the KGB in 1954 -~- a severe reprimand and warning. How was this written up? ' For what was it given? You see how it was.... We do not need an explanation; I know what you said earlier.... In the Komsomol, no... I just want to say one thing -= that the Komsomol did not go into detail. - Apparently, such instructions had been given the Komsomol. For using a cover document, an operational cover document, for personal purposes.... For the use of.... Operational documents for personal purposes. ...Operational documents Sr personal purposes. Yes, And nothing more was said. No. And you remember this wording exactly? Yes absolutely. And the same wording was used when an administrative punishment was \ DoclId: 327404701 Page 7?
HW 53716 given. Nothing was said to me. Only orally, several times at meetings, we were reminded of. "moral faults", "moral faults". Why did the Komsomol not work it so «~~ "for immoral conduct and for moral faults".... Likewise, there was no such working in the administrative decree; instead, it said simply for the use of an operational document or dover document... Administrative punishment of 15 days arrest was given me by FEDOTOV . Exactly the same kind of wording was used in the Komsomol . And Komsomol did not deal with.... the idea is that the Komsomol must take this up with me in detail... how this came about... who... what... but they did not take this up. Well, if you were a Komsomol member from 1953 to 1954.... Since 1943... From 1943 to 1954... do you remember the month in which you became a member? I entered the Komsomol in 1943; I do not remember the month; I do not remember. It was in 1943 in Baku in the preparatory school, yes. You do not remember the month? I do not remember. Was it.in winter, summer, spring, or fall? No, I do not remember, I do not remember, I do not remember . I am afraid to say. DoclId: 327404701 Page 6
HW 532716 e _¢. @ I can make a mistake, because I will be guessing, and I am afraid to say. I do not remember, I remember exactly that it was in 1943. And when did you leave the Komsomol? In what year? I left the Komsomol at the end of 1954. I had to leave; you understand -= you can be in the Komsomol until you are 27 yeard old, no older, if you are not elected to a high elective post in the Komsomol. So. Just a minute. I received a double punishment. I was Secretary of a Komsomol organization, and I was relieved. Well, this was not a punishment. Where were you a Komsomol Secretary? In the Second Chief Directorate (glavka), in the Second Chief Directorat Of the entire Second Chief Directorate? Yes, There were only 13 or 15 Komsomol members, together with the typists. From what time were you ((secretary)) there? From 1943... 1953; to my thinking, in 1953, at the end of 1953, I was elected Secretary of the Party organization of the Second Chief Directorate. Well, was this the Party ((organization)) or the Komsomol ((organization DocId:327404701 Page 93
HW 53716 a ae The Komsomol organization. You say that this was approximately at the end of 1953? The reason I say approximately is because usually the elections are held at the end of the year -- September, October, August.... What served as the basis for electing you Secretary? You had just begun working there. Wéll, I began working in March. I think, you see why -= the Komsomol organization was very small --= in the main there were onhby 4 or 5 from among the operational employees, the rest were not operational but support people ~~ secretaries, typists. Approximately how many Komsomol members were there at that time in the Second Chief Directorate? About 15 people there. But you must.... Well, the UODK is not included here; I have in mind that surveillance does not enter in here -- in this Komsomol organization. How do you say it == UODK? UODK -= Directorat for the Protection of the Diplomatic Corps. Earlier it was called... this is surveillance over foreigners. Earlier it was called what, and what is it now? And now this UODK has been combined with the Seventh Directorate. What was the department of the Second Chief Directorate called which SECRET Docld:32404701 Page 10
HW 532716 DocId: 32404701 Page i1 __SECRET ® @ - § - serviced foreigners at the time when you began working? Which foreigners? Servicing all foreigners. The First Department, the Second Department, the Third Department.... No, I have in mind, from the administrative point of view, not the operational point of view. Oh... this was MID UPDK BYUROBIN, formerly BYUROBIN; now it is called -UPDK. This is MID. BYUROBIN, and what do you say it now is called’. UPDK . UPDK =-- what does it mean? Directorate for Servicing the Diplomatic Corps. There, the chief is ZHUKOV, the former ambassador to Indonesia. There was always an employee in charge. | There was always one employee in charge under UPDK cover, from the Second Chief Directorate. Well, then, if we put everything into place, when you began to work in the Second Chief Directorate, it was called UODK. UODK -=— this was the Directorate for the Protection of the Diplomatic Corps. This is surveillance over foreigners, headed by General BOYKOV. He was a colonel at the time, but soon after, about two years later, he became a general.
® ». @ A. When did they combine with the Seventh Directorate? Only give me the date. B. In approximately 1958, approximately 1958; it was given over to the Seventh Directorate. A. Do you know approximately when the UODK was organized? B. I know that it was the former Department 2-2 or 2-I == I do not remember exactly; I do not remember -=- headed by Colonel >KORETSKIY. There was such a Colonel KORETSKIY and there were the Departments 2~2Z, 2-1, 2Zh in the Second Chief Directorate, which were responsible for surveillance over foreigners. It was before my time. When I came in, it was UODK, and it was headed by BOYKOV. A. And when did they organize BYUROBIN? B. BYUROBIN also was before I came in. BYUROBIN =~ it was the bureau for servicing foreigners. But it was subordinate to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and it is still ‘subordinate to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but it is not BYUROBIN -- it is the UPDK. A. Practically speaking, there are now two organizations which are respon- sible for foreigners... servicing them. B. What two organizations? \ A. Well, you said -= the UODK, which combined with the Seventh Directorate. B. Well, it is not for servicing; the UODK is for surveillance of foreigners. A. Well, the name itself? HW 532716 DBoclId:32404701 Page 12
HW 53716 -~ 10 = The name itself -- the Directorate of the Protection of the Diplomatic Corps; abbreviated, it was called UODK -- the Directorate for the Preotection of the Diplomatic Corps. And parallel with this, there is the UPDK? Just a minute, just a minute; you are somewhat confused. In 1953 -j— BYUROBIN -- this is the Directorate for the Servicing the Diplomatic Corps. | You are absolutely right. And this belongs to MID, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. But the UODK == that is the KGB, This is the surveillance over: foreigners. Now it does not exist, since this work has been turned over entirely -- with all of the equipment, all of the surveillance personnel, chiefs -- all have been turned over to the Seventh Directorate. Because the Seventh Directorate -— for what was it responsible earlier? Only the investigative personnel and the surveillance of Soviet citizens that is all. And, then, from 1958, the UODK was incorporated in the Seventh Directorate? Then, the Seventh Directorate is in charge of surveillance now. Moreover, two years later, from 1958, or approximately in 1960, the Seventh Directorate gave all of its investigative personnel, the investi: ative personnel -- earlier, it was their main work «~- gave them to the KGB Directorate for Moscow City and Moscow Oblast. And now they are not responsible for investigative work as such. You know, it is requested that they check a citizen's way of life, colle references and so forth and so forth. If this work was carried out earlier, the entire work, by the Seventh Directorate -- this is a huge apparatus -~— then, it was turned over, the entire work, to the Directorate for Moscow Oblast. Then, on the day you left Moscow == if I understand you correctly -— DoclId: 327404701 Page 13
HW 53716 _ Sent @ -~ ll - ® surveillance of foreigners was carried on by the Seventh Directorate. The Seventh Directorate. And parallel to this, there existed the UPDK. No. This is not the KGB, this is the MID. The UPDK ~= this is the Directorate for Servicing the Diplomatic Corps. What are the tasks of this UPDK? The Embassy, any embassy wishing... getting workers, cooks, charwomen, chauffeurs ~~ these people were gotten through the UPDK. Tickets =j- railway, theater, etc. -- were ordered through the UPDK. Everything was done through the UPDK. This directorate works entirely for the embassies, all the embassies -- both the so-called democratic ones, such as Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and others, of the Western counties. ; All the embassies. Repairs were made -=- electrical, plumbing -- everything was done through the UPDK. This directorate —- a MID directorate ~- was established for the servicing of the diplomatic corps. Were there many Second Chief Directorate employees with UPDK? In the UPDK, there was one staff employee there for many years, he was BYUROBIN -~- FILATOV. | FILATOV was in charge for many years, approximately, approximately... When did FILATOV go on pension? He went on pension approximately... (2-3G) in 1961. And they put there Mikhail Mikhalovich SUMSKOY, who, as of January 1964, was in the UPDK. | | He has an office in the UPDK. True, if FILATOV was chief of a directorate... Chief of the Personnel Department of the UPDK... then SUMSKOY... they promoted him to deputy chief of the directorate. SeORET DoclId: 327404701 Page 14
- 12 =. @ The Chief of Directorate of this UPDK is ZHUKOV. . And SUMSKOY is from the KGB; he is the deputy. A. As far as I understand you, the Directorate for the Affairs of the Diplomatic Corps is in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and there is a single operational employee.... B. Staff man. A.  ...0f the Second Chief Directorate. B. It is another thing that there are fellows ((KGB)) who have retired, have retired and were looking for work.... . I know that (1G) worked there for several months.... A. Well, we will not.... B. SUKHANOV worked there for several months. A. Approximately, what is the total staff of this UPDK, the total staff? B. ((Pause)) They occupied... in 1962-1963, they moved to another place; | they occupied during all of the years -=- as far as I know == from 1953 to 1962 a three-story building on Stanislavskiy Street, the entrance from Herzen Street, and foreigners went there. How many people could be housed there? There was a Personnel Section.... A. Well, approximately, how many’ B. I am afraid to say. A. Well, two hundred, three hundred? B. Not more, not more. “Set HW 532716 DBoclId:32404701 Page 15