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12 8 13 id ae) 22 24 HW 50955 Docld:32277219 Page 77 TOP SECRET ‘Embassy? | TOP SECRET 7 up if that is what you mean. To my way of lookingat it, this is an American citizen, yes, in contact with the Soviets, trué¢, not of interest to us really. He was in overt contact with the Soviet Embassy, We sould not be terribly interested in him except for the fact that he is an American, Mr. Goldsmith. It does not strike you as more signifi--}- ‘cant that the American contacts the Soviet Embassy and he ais4 contacts the Cuban Embassy? To me that would make him seem 7 . . I more Significant and therefore, if you found out about this , after the time the cable was sent you would have sent another cable. Mrs. Manell. I did not sent another cable but I know another cable was sent. I didn't send it. Mr. Goldsmith. Another cable concerning Oswald was sent Mrs. Manell. I think so. Where is the whole file? Wasn't there a cable saying he was in touch with the Cuban Mr. Goldsmith. We have not seen one. Mrs. Manell. T am pretty sure there was. -Mr. Goldsmith. bid you send that cable? Mrs. Manell. No, I did not send the cable. When I found out about it I remember this, I said how come? - Mr. Goldsmith. Who did? Do you know?» ‘Mrs. Manell. I don't know who sent it. I think Ann might have. She might have sent a follow-up one with this OoL4ig 7 ae a een eee a a er i
‘the wall, Whether this means that Governor Connally's stretcher| | had not yet been brought back or there was a later period in time we are in the course of investigating, but she relates that the one stretcher that was there with bloody sheets on that stretcher was the stretcher against the wall, and on that stretcher she does see a single bullet. GY opviously if in fact this is the same bullet that she has spoken about, if in fact it is the Kennedy stretcher, raises -a question. This is an area we are in the process. of. investi- gating at the moment. The second area that at the moment we have been doing some looking into involves an allegation that concerns wiretapping by ‘the CIA in Mexico where they picked up conversations of Oswald. Suffice it ‘to say a here again, I guess | we: whave to. put it. in context W the CIA had testified before the Warren Commission of no prior contact with Oswald known to ‘them prior, to the’ assassination until they” then checked the records’ after the assassination and stated that they found - a conversation ‘that Oswald had had in Mexico with the Russian Embassy, prior -to the assassination, and they dug this out post-assassination. That has been their position ever since. _ The contention ~ here is that in fact there was more contact by the CIA with oawara than what they. have disclosed. - us A former CIA agent named Phillips was reported i in the press to have made some statements which if true were contrary 66459. ‘Page da
MEXICO CITY ~~ CIA [| (cont'd): —_——_—__ Phillips reported .to- Scott .even -though was next man up the hierarchy. Phillips believes he is retired and lives in -the Washington area. Allen White: succeeded[ Jas Deputy Stattion Chief; Phillips worked under him for a time. Phillips believes he is retired and resides in the Washington area. Joe Picolo: CIA officer under Phillips. Robert Shaw: CIA officer under Philips. Eventually Shaw and Phillips had the’’"whole assignment" in Mexico City. Two CIA operatives working inside the Cuban Embassy reported to Shaw. One worked for the administrative area; one worked in the diplomatic area. Phillips believed Shaw is living in the Washington area and is still with the CIA, Phillips named him as the senior man in charge of the interception of telephone conversations of the Cuban Embassy's offices. He would have been responsible for "dozen" or so involved in the intercept unit outside CIA head- quarters. Came to the CIA from the FBI and had been with the CIA for 3 or 4 years at the time of the Oswald visit. Phillips believes is still in Mexico today. Ann Goodpasture: Phillips mentions her as the person responsible for transporting the tapes from the intercept unit to CIA offices and back again. It‘:is unclear whether she brought back tapes or transcripts of the conversations from the Russian _ Embassy. It appears — that she brought back transcripts HY 50955 DBoctd: 322764993 Page 5
JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM IDENTIFICATION FORM Date Page 07/19/95 1 wena ae wee ee ee ee Se eRe ew ewe we ee ee ee eee ee ee we ew we eee wwe ww wee weer rere een nn nr rrr re eewn AGENCY RECORD NUMBER RECORDS SERIES AGENCY FILE NUMBER AGENCY INFORMATION HSCA 180-10116-10318 LETTERS SENT REGARDING INFORMATION, ACCESS, AND COMPLIANCE ORIGINATOR FROM TO TITLE DATE PAGES SUBJECTS DOCUMENT TYPE CLASSIFICATION RESTRICTIONS CURRENT STATUS DATE OF LAST REVIEW OPENING CRITERIA COMMENTS on 90 0 08 os be 00 oo se eo 08 Of 80 60 DOCUMENT INFORMATION HSCA HSCA INS 00/00/00 157 HSCA, ADMINISTRATION INS, FILES LETTER UNCLASSIFIED 3 RELEASED WITH DELETIONS 05/14/96 Letters sent to and from the HSCA and INS. Box 3. me ow ae ee ee ee ee EE SO SS SH OS Oe SSS SS Se OO Eee Eee Se eee HW 55923 Docld:32266673 Page 1 [R] - ITEM IS RESTRICTED
ORIGINAL Subpena for The Honorahle Griffin B....Bell,. Attorney Genral,.United States Department of Justice, diccmaemesEsete SoeuccecicweNeEmEcCEEEESE House of Representatives —————— I ——SS— U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 60-522-h
Stenographic Transcript Of HEARINGS Before The John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of the SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DEPOSITION OF ELSIE I. SCALETTI Washington,D.c. . ‘May 19,.1978 Alderson Reporting Company, Inc. O ppieral Reporterw 300 Seventh St., Ss. W. Washington, D. C. HW 50955 Docld:32277223 Page 2
1UP SURE y 4 Russian Division advised me of this and gave me a general fill- | | rf | -e 2 1}in on the case. 31 In the fall of 1963, I became Chief of the Soviet Russian Division and was Chief of the Division when Nosenko defected. da | | ' Mr. Klein. When Nosenko defected in 1964, when he came isn 5 | to the United States, was he in the custody of the Central Intelligence Agency at that time? 3 | Mr. Murphy. I don't want to be cute by saying I believe | so. I am not exactly sure of the legal -~ I mean what his legal ‘ 19; statis was. Insofar as physical facts, he was in the custody lof the IC. | | | | | | | i. Mr. Klein. What division or unit of the Central. Intelligence | Mr. Murphy. The Soviet Russian Division. | Mr. Klein. Of which you were the Chief? i | Mr. Murphy. Yes, sir. : | a | i 7 | Mr. Klein. And what year did you leave the Soviet Russia dd , . ; . == . } Division? 14 ‘5 Mr. Murphy. Beginning in 1968. 74 | . . . 39 | Mr. Klein. And up until what year did the Soviet Russia i Mr. Murphy. I don't recall the exact time but it was RD ime) | i = oo jcomtainty up until the Springof 1967. | Mr. Klein. The report by Bruce Soley began, or the : a4 i { ! meee | Division have primary responsibility for Nosenko? | | | \ | i ,investigation by Bruce Soley began at the end of 1967. At that HW 4509545 Docla: 33277207 Page 5 { f ? <f ic fk 4 ti ' | i b {
lur oLbaci time did the control or responsibility over Nosenko change | from the Soviet Russia Division to another division? Se | wt 3 Mr. Murphy. My recollection is that it changed in the spri | ny a 4 | or early summer of 1967 and the responsibility was turned over to 3 the Office of Security of which Soley was a member. Mr. Klein. As Chief of the Soviet Russia Division, did you 7 | have the primary responsibility for what happened to Nosenko? 3 | And when I say happened, where he was kept, what he was asked? | 9 Mr. Murphy. I was responsible for the case. ! | 10 Mr. Klein. Okay. | Mr. Murphy. Although the case was handled by one of the groups 12 | within the Division. | I a - 13 4 - Mr. Klein. But they would report to you? Mr. Murphy. Yes. | | | | Mr. Klein. And did you report to any specific individual | in on Nosenko? » 7 | Mr. Murphy. I reported both to. the DDP. | a | Mr. Klein. Who was that? _ 9 Mr. Murphy. Until '67, until he died in July of '67, it waa 20 | Desmond Fitzgerald. 3} | Initially the DDP was Dick Helms and then sometime in '6 7 39 | think it was, I am not sure of the date, '65, he became the | : a4 | Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence "Dez" Fitzgerald ! ~ | | @ 34 || became chief, the. Director of the Operations Directorate. Then | ae 1 after his death, Tom Karamasines became the Director of the HW 50955 Docld:3b277207 Page 6 TAD OtpotT
BW 450955 Bd Coe) da. dm 2) — Oo Ve io Doctd: pond anda 2 ts Sa N H 5 ia A oas rege LY. qh: ates Mr. Klein. My name is Kenneth Klein and I am a senior staff counsel for the Select Committee on Assassinations. 10:01 on August 9, 1978. Would you please state your name. | Actually I am Assistant Deputy Chief Counsel. The time is Mr. Murphy. My name is David E. Murphy. Mr. Klein. And your address? . i Mr. Murphy. | , McLean, Virginia. + /a Notary Public in and for the District of Columbia.) | (Whereupon Mr. Murphy was sworn by Ms Annabelle Short, i . | Mr. Klein. Are you certified to swear witnesses in ‘i|Washington, D. C.? | i it Ms Short. Yes, I am. i ; . iH ~ i Mr. Kléin. Mr. Murphy, you have in front of you the | committee Rules and Resolutions. Have you had an opportunity | bo look through them? | \ ul Mr. Murphy. I have. i . Mr. Klein. And, in particular, haveyou had an opportunity Mr. Murphy. I have. Mr. Klein. And you are aware that you have a right to ‘have a lawyer present at any deposition, and are you aware of Mr. Murphy. I am. ; Mr. Klein. Are you here voluntarily? oan - / ra Creart 39277207 Page 3. ! a i ah tee A
Mr. Murphy. I am here voluntarily. i) Mr. Klein. And you are not under subpoena to appear here | 3 | at all? YOu have not been given any subpoena? . | | | | | Murphy. Not that I know of.’ Ba = i 7.7 _ os Mr. Klein. As you can see, there is a stenographer taking 6 | stenographic notes of what is being said. These notes will be transcribed and a copy will be sent to you and you will be asked). 3 |to read it, and if there are any errors in the accurate trans- : 3 | cription of what you had:ito say, you are to inform us of that, t : : 19; and if it is correct, to sign it, send it back to us and we will then provide you, if you desire, with your own copy. Mr. Murphy. All right. see KS Mr. Klein. In 1962, Mr. Murphy, Mr. Yuri Nosenko made his : i ed first contact with the CIA; is that correct? vat 2 a= “ “Ew Re ey Mr. Murphy. Yes. Mr; Klein. And he then defected to the United States in 1é | 7 [ssa Would you tell us, beginning in 1962, in general, what | 12 lyour contact was with Nosenko. - | 13 Mr. Murphy. I am not sure I understand my contact with 20 Nosenko. | | | : | : Mr. Klein. What your position was in the CIA. i u Mr. Murphy. I follow you. In 1962, I was the Chief of. lene Eastern European Division of the then DDP, which included it in its area of responsibility When Nosenko made \ 4 ' | \ ! t | i i i “ A oe 7 seh contact with CIA in the them Chief of the Soviet Hi i ie i ic aw 4 4 4 ! i { i i in f i \ f | t i j | "4 { ij t i ' i q i . Fe HW 50955 Docld: 92277207 Page 4 rf y ) H
TABLE OF CONTENTS U.S. House of Representatives Washington, D. C. Select Committee on Assassinations, November 27, 1976 Subcommittee on the Assassination John F. Kennedy TESTIMONY OF: | PAGE Mr. David A. Phillips 4 EXHIBITS: Phillips Exhibit No. l 71 Phillips Exhibit No. 2 oe 87 ‘Phillips Exhibit No. 3. 87 901365 2277213 Page 2
20 2] 23 26 22, 16 And so they would go to the officers who were concerned with these particular areas, and then they would also go to another officer that -- I didn't mention last night, the CIA station ‘generally has. a person called a Reports Officer. That is a person who is not assigned to Cuban things or anything but put together reports which are disseminated, and there was such a thing in Mexico, and some of the time, even a Reports Officer and assistant, because it was a large station, relatively speaking. So they would get nearly everything as well. Mr. Sprague. When you say nearly everything, does that mean they did not get everything? Mr. Phillips. Yes, because the Chief of Station at his discretion, if there was something he felt was very, very sensitive,and that some people did not need to know, in that | case there were occasions when he would cut out one transcript or send it only to one person. Mr. Sprague. You mean if it was perhaps extremely sensitive, it would not go just to the reports section? Mr. Phillips. That is right. Mr. Thone. Why did you report directly to Win Scott ana not the Deputy, which was normal procedure? Mr. Phillips. Sir, it was because of the personality of Mr. Scott. He was a very strong man, and he did not delegate, so I did have the obligation according to the system 001321 HW 50955 Docld: 32277213 Page 16
HW 450945 19 20 21 23 24 25 re Sr a aS nt PE a BON I He EO ROSSI H I i 29 Mr. Phillips. He called, he called back to me. Mr. Sprague. Well, that is what I want to find out. After that conversation with Mr. Waller --— Mr. Phillips. Uh-huh -- Mr. Sprague. And prior to your conversation with Mr. Miller, had Mr. Waller called you back again? Mr. Phillips. Yes, sir, he called twice. Mr. Sprague. So after the first conversation with Mr. Waller, then in approximately 20 minutes Mr. Waller calls - you again. Mr. Phillips. Yes, sir. Mr. Sprague. And what did. Mr. Waller tell you at that time, and what was that conversation about? Mr. Phillips. He called me to tell me ~- during that conversation he mentioned a man's name that I had gathered was not stationed in Mexico, and he told me that he had . passed on, I believe he said to Mr.Miller, the fact that I had called and said that I intended to testify because Mr. Waller was not necessarily the man that I would have called if I had known just the person to call, but I had known hin. That person whom he notified, Mr. Miller, who is either the Legislative or Legal Counsel's office, called me, which was the third call in the series, and this all occurred in about an hour. Mr. Sprague. All right, let's take now the second call 001334 Docld: 32277213 Page 31
BEAL I 1-31 | Mr. Goldsmith. Please take a look at CIA 208. | | Mr. Shaw. 208. | 7 Mr. Goldsmith. And read paragraph number four. Read it @ 4 : to yourself, please. : 2 5 (Pause) | v 5 | Mr. Shaw. Yes. | | 7 Mr. Goldsmith. According to paragraph number four, it | x 2 | indicates that it seems a voice comparison of some kind was. | ; ; |made. | a LO , | : 1 Mr. Shaw. Yes, or it could well be that this guy, Fine- evPOM e 11 glass -- = or 4 Mc. Goldsmith. Mr. Tarasoff£? 4 i Mr. Shaw. Remembered the poor Russian of the first tape ta | and the poor Russian of the second tape and figured that it : ‘s }was the same guy. REPORTS BUOTEDING, rs Mr. Goldsmith. How Long were tapes normally retained 2 a 7 prior to being erased? | : 7 Mr. Shaw. I have no idea. It would seem to me if you had : 19 ja very productive tape, you probably would not keep it very | é 30 ‘long, once you transcribed it. (Pause) Mr. Goldsmith. -I would like you to read the Cs comment on 21 ICIA 239. ts ts Mr. Shaw. I have read it. | as ii Mr. Goldsmith. According to that, it indicates that the i | : a ary . . ; SEGRE! ALIIEESON REPORTING COMBAiN HW 50955 DocId:32277214 Page 32
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aval os ) Tm NW 48331 DocId:32277217 Page 6 i if fad Oe cf a is ry 410 od Ba _ Pre = “ comet eee me a Se eS Ee eh Sa el ce = EN Re RN ‘assume he was thought to he highly competent. ‘maintained by the Mexico City Station? Were they thorough? | _ charge of Cuban Operation:. : . Mr. Goldsmith. Who was the Station Chief in Mexico City? Mr. White. Winston ‘icott. | Mr. Goldsmith. Can vou give us your evaluation as to his competence as Station Chief? | 7 Mr. White. He had been there for:13 years. He knew and was. known by anybody who was of any importance in Mexico. He was left there by the Director for that length of time. I Mr. Goldsmith. What about the nature of the files Mr. White. They ‘were: incredible. They were exhaustive and duplicative in every conceivable way. Mr. Goldsmith. When you were in Mexico City. dia you know Herbert Manell? Mr. White. I did. | Mr. Goldsmith. What was his responsibility? Mr. White. He was Chief of the Soviet Operations Section: at the station, ° Mr. Goldsmith. What about David Phillips? — Mr. White. David Ph: llips was Chief of the CA Section, . Covert Action Section. | Mr. Goldsmith. bid lir. Phillips work at any time in: charge of the Cuban Opera :ions? | | i | | | | [ | j i | ; | fo, 1 | | | | | | i | | ; } 1 | | | | | Mr. White. In the litter part of his tour he was in . i { a OAS
ome : Goldsmith. Did “ou know Bob Shaw? ; 4 ed . White. Yes. . Goldsmith. What was his responsibility? . ' ba mewn eeres geek eo Mr. White. He was Chief of the Cuban Operations as well ap subsequent to David Phill:.ps' departure. Mr. Goldsmith, Did .ou know Ann Goodpasture? Mr. White. I did. a Mr. Goldsmith. What were her responsibilities? eo) Mr. White. She was i. Special Assistant to Win Scott and = So cota 10 -her main responsibilitites were to handle the surveillance 7 operations. 1 ‘Mr... Goldsmith. By surveillance operations do you. mean | & 3 | both the wire tap and the photosurveillance operations? | | Mr. White. — Yes, I de. Principally the wire taps, how- : 1s | ever.%cShé @ildinot have -- well, she didn't have normal, | 16 | regular contact with the ;eople in the phto operation. : 3 ‘That was handled out of the Soviet Section. 3 id Mr. Goldsmith. When you asy that she had responsibility | s| for the wiretap operation:., was that for both the operations 20 | against the Cuban and the Soviet Embassies? | 1 | Mr. White. ves. Thi.t responsibility was shared, however s a - | She dealt with the outside: contract agent, who worked with the: _ at Mexican security represeni.tives who were actually manning the | & | aA | phone taps. | ; a] nn Mr. Goldsmith. JI have a document here which is referred ocld: 322 age Hi a sad sol 4 {
Co) da o> are nore BO | | “ag | | 1 | a » #8 | HW 46331 DocId: 32 nation between the wireta} operation and the photosurveillance| operation so that if, for example, one of the persons monitor-! cL Se ee ma 2 ca agen neat hens meunnaagenaatans na : : 277217 Page 20 T we. ao 18 a . oe ae _. Mr. Goldsmith... Do you know whether there was any coordi-| ; ing the wiretap came across an interesting conversation he could in some way apprise the photosurveillance people that a 7 particular individual might: be coming to the Embassy?. | Mr. White. To the best of my knowledge it was not. The wiretap operation was conducted by a mexican and the photo~ | | surveillance was. conducteci as a unilateral operation. Anything coming from the tap operation would. have to come back from the station and any direct:ions would then have to go out -- | | { | | | Mr. Goldsmith. I am not suggesting that would have been | | | direct contact bwtween the: two. 1 Mr. White. Coordination certainly at the station end. Mr. Goldsmith. So the wiretap people would contact some-| one at the station whose vesponsibility it would then be to ; contact in some way the photosurveillance people? Mr. White... Well, they didn't have to because the wiretap! oo ; ; | people themselves were mevhanics. All they did was process the stuff. Now, that is not «:o say that maybe a conversation of interest wasn't flagged f::om time to time. In the main, the around the station who then would coordinate on directions to the photographer. ‘ ; . | interpretation of what wa: said was the job of the case officer i } | By and large the camera was pretty much automatic. The : AR CrparT QR
LAFRANCE:ms1 | oe Yo Ula s, | i ; . | ASSASSINATION OF JOHN F. KENNEY @ 2 | | . 4 _-— — =m : : } | Friday, May 19, 1978 © .. : --- , | U. S. House of Representatives, |; 6 | | ' John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of. | 2 | Select Committee on Assassinations, 5 | Washington, D. C. i : Deposition of: ELSIE I. SCALETTI . called for examination bt staff counsel for the subcommittee, pursuant to notice, in the offices of House Annex II, Room 3370 pean ae teem one i ne ne ee ee wet Second and D Streets, S. W., Washington, D. C., beginning at -@ 3 | ! | 1:15 o'clock p.m., before Albert Joseph LaFrance, a. Notary a ; 1s | Public in and for the District of. Columbia, when were present. 1s on behalf of the respective parties: i : \ iv For the Subcommittee: a Rt | [ r i MICHAEL GOLDSMITH, ESQ., Staff Counsel oJ ‘" | Por the Deponent: | an! , . ; 20 (There was no representation by counsel) i | z1 | ! q \ i 22 4 | 1 aac za | i 001710 Saeme HY 50955 Docld: 32277223 Page 4 i 1g raaey sargeseey ieee
wR daw . in ha 6. om Fon ce) O ww HW 50955 Doclrd Whereupon, follows: occupation for the presently a housewi pseudonym. Mr. Goldsmith. Mrs. Scaletti. Mr. Goldsmith. Mrs.. Scaletti. Mr. Goldsmith. ELSIE I. SCALETTI, having first been duly sworn, was examined and testified as Mr. Goldsmith. Would you please state your name and record? Mrs. Scaletti. My name is Elsie I. Scaletti and I am fe, No, it is not.. Mrs. Scaletti. Virginia. Mr. Goldsmith. Mrs. Scaletti. Yes. ' Mx. Goldsmith. | Mrs. Scaletti. Right. Mr. Goldsmith. Rules and the supporting resolution? Mrs. Scaletti. Yes, I. have. | Mr. Goldsmith \ . Number 4? t { } . | | Bintme 322772923 Page 5 i . oy Fe wr] ou Is the name Scaletti your true name? It is a registered ' With whom is it registered? With the Central Intelligence Agency. In what state do you live? Are you here testifying today voluntarily?> You are testifying without subpoena? t Have you received a copy of the Committee i t i ' i ‘ i N ~ i i | . Have you had an opportunity to read Rule 4 ! t ) ' 001711
y ape pea EY 9 Ur oth} Lee) Mrs. Scaletti. Yes. Mr. Goldsmith. Do you understand Rule Number 4? Mrss Scaletti.. Yes. \ a BR da Mr. Goldsmith. Do you understand you have a right to Loy counsel? On Mrs. Scaletti. Yes. Mr. Goldsmith. Do you waive that right? a3 Mrs. Scaletti. At this meeting I waive that right. | Mr. Goldsmith. Under the Committee Rules you have a right | | 9 Mr. Goldsmith. If at any time you decide you should Like | i i to have counsel, please indicate that. | i Mrs. Scaletti. Right. | 12 | | | F i to receive a copy of the transcript of the deposition statement that you are going to be giving today. However, by virtue of the agreement that has been worked out between the Committee and a ' : request witnesses who were formerly employed with the Agency | the Central Intelligence Agency, the Agency has asked us to actually to receive the transcript. 2 13 or presently employed with the Agency to waive the right We would naturally be willing to give you an opportunity actually giving you the transcript to keep we would like to ask i al to review the transcript for accuracy. However, in terms of | | Mrs. Scaletti. I waive my right to keep t acopy. I would you to waive that right. nN? a Mw ay like to review a final transcript. | | 001712. HW 50955 sncze:dorvven Page 6 | f p 5 fF a q 7 | - !
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