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Pnone (Area 202) 544-6000 WARO & PAUL 410 6. S.E., Washington, 0.C. 20003 HW 535244 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 -17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 29 DoctlId: accounting, and he was the supervisor of the accounting secrt:in | I guess they call it, at tne Bureau. And I think that arzs> because our initial, major efforts were in the area of the Mr. Sheridan. Only in the beginning. Carmine had been on -the McClellan Committee with us, and he became a White House Consultant, and in the very beginning he also had a desk over in our area and was involved in pvreliminarily what we were Joins. But after a few months he no longer was involved in that activity. Mr. Postal. What about Courtenay Evans? Did you wors closely with Courtenay Evans? Mr. Sheridan. Well, I certainly knew Courtenay Evans. He was.not our direct link with the FBI.. Our direct link with the FBI was Al McGrath. And Al McGrath was in charge of the central states, southeast, southwest area pension fund, whic required a lot of accounting expertise, and we were using t7: FBI accountants. And that's how I think he happened to Lectte the contact. So I knew Courtenay, and I knew Courtenay .:33 *7¢ contact with the Attorney General, but my direct dealings wer: more with McGrath than with Courtenay Evans. Mr. Postal. Let me ask you this question: was there group of people in the Department of Justice at that time tra: the Attorney General would sound out problems with, have discussions with, things that were of particular concern tc him if a problem arose, that he was concerned about person. Page 7
Pnone (Area 202) 544-6000 10 ll 12 13 WARD & PAUL 14 15 16 - 17 18 19 20 el 22 23 24 410 ©. S.E., Washington, 0.C. 20003 20 HW 532744 DBoctId: pr pe there people that he would deal with directly in thrashing | 7 | ‘ TO p SECRET | out a problem outsice of the normal line of authority normally? Mr. Sheridan. Yes. He would usually consult mainly with the heads of the various divisions of the Denartment. That would be Jack Miller, Lou Oberdorfer, and he was the head of the Tax Division, and Jack Miller. was the head of the Criminal Division, and Ramsey Clark was the head of the Lands Division, and John Douglas was in charge of the Civil Division. It is a long time ago. Dick Katzenbach, who was the Deputy Attorney ‘ General, these were the people that he would discuss, you know, all major problems with. Mr. Postal. Did you ever have occasions to meet with the Aetorney General either late in the evening or during the Jay and discuss with him matters of concern to him outside of a particular problem that you were working on? Mr. Sheridan. I am sure I did, I am sure I did. Mr. Postal. Did you ever -- Mr. Sheridan. . Most of our discussions were on the orcbien | I was working on, and we had numerous discussions on that at all times of the day. Mr. Postal. Okay. ‘Mr. Sheridan. But I am sure occasionally there were ctrer matters discussed. Mr. Postal. The group that was working on the racketeer:n7,' and insofar as it related to labor problems, worked closc., 509441 Page @
TOP-SECRET 8 ! 1 IWwith the organized crime section, is that right? | 2 } we. Sheridan. Yeah. i) Mr. Postal. And were you given access to any of the Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 ' intelligence reports coming from the Bureau relative to organized crime that you felt related to what you were working on? Mr. Sheridan. Yeah. If there was, if there was a need. ; , In other words, the two areas often intertwined, so if we got ; oe | into an area that we were interested in, we would share informa-' tion with them and they would share information with us. | . Mr. Postal. In the course of your investigation into Ehe | labor rackets, did you have occasion to do a good deal of” investigating concerning the mob's activities in Las Vegas? ° | Mr. Sheridan. Not really. WARD & PAUL We were aware of it, but the only place that our investi- | gations and theirs came in contact, or for the most part, anyway', were the pension fund loans by the Teamsters Pension Fund to Las Vegas casinos, and to that extent, there was a mutual mo ! area. | But the actual investigation of organized crime in Las Vegas was really the organized crime section work, and we, we didn't get into it as such. | major areas of interest insofar as the organized crime section 1 | | Mr. Postal. Well, as I understand it, there were two . | 410 @. 5.E., Wasnington, 0.C. 20003 was concerned about Las Vegas. One was your interest in the pension fund investments, and the other was their interest HW 532744 DBocld: 3827027441 Page 9
Pnone (Area 202) 544-6000 WARD & PAUL eet, S.E., Washington, 0.C. 20003 ° ~ © HW 5352744 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 “17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DoclId: im the skimming operation that was going on by some of the mob? Mr. Sheridan. Right. Mr. Postal. But as I understand, they were fairly closely Mr. Sheridan. I think that's a fair statement. Mr. Postal. -- related? Mr. Sheridan. Yeah. Mr. Postal. So in your activities in Las Vegas you must have come into contact with the names again.of Giancana and Roselli and the other group that was in Las Vegas as opposed | to the Cleveland group with Moe Dalitz and some of the other mobsters? ° Mr. Sheridan. With Dalitz, yes, because Dalitz and his group were in the Stardust, and the Desert Inn, and they both had received pension fund loans. The people like Giancana and the others, the Mafia peopvle like from Chicago were not involved in any of these loans, and I don't recall, therefore, any direct involvement on our part with those people. - Mr. Postal. Uh-huh. Mr. Sheridan. You see, Dalitz was up front, and it is. Kind of a unique situation because what you are talking about is the Cleveland group who moved from Cleveland to Las Vegas, and in the process acquired some degree of respectability, and they owned the casinos, and they were on record, and they were out front. 22702441 Page 10 TT a se = nen oe
3 ji 1 ! ‘The Mafia types like Giancana, who it was believed had _ 3 ; 3 2 | secret interests in these casinos, were not up front and so 3 3 | our interests were on the loans, and the pension funds, and the 4 | pension fund was dealing directly with the Dalitz people, loans 5 | to other casinos, where the Mafia may have had direct interest. 6 : it was not apparent and we never got into it. 7 | Mr. Postal. Did you ever have occasion to look into 8 | interests in Miami? | 9 | Mr. Sheridan. Sure. 10 | Mr. Postal. Did you ever look into ’the Fontainbleu a Hotel? F . ~< 12 Mr. Sheridan. No. 4 y . c 13 | There again, there was no -- it was their -- but there 3 14 | was no pension fund involvement, there was no -- there Was 72 15 || \direct interest of ours in the Fontainbleu Hotel. 16 Mr. Postal. Okay. “497 How about Los Angeles? Did you ever get involved un 18 || mob activities in Los Angeles? E 19 “Mr. Sheridan. We got involved in pension fund activit; ; 20 || \in Los Angeles. | i Ol Mr. Postal. Uh-huh. In conjunction with that, did you : 22 || ever run across Johnny Roselli? | ; 23 Mr. Sheridan. I knew who Johnny Roselli was, but he sever, : 24 | jas far as I know, was involved in any of our investigations . _ or in any of the pension fund loans, or in any of the Tears:-: HW 53244 DoclId:
‘Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 12 13 WARD &@& PAUL 14 15 16 _ 17 18 19 20 21 22 potreet, S.E., Washington, O.C. 20003 24 i] ~ df 25 HW 532744 DBoctId: activity. It was just one of those things. Some of the mob 4 \ people were, and some of them weren't, and it just desends which ones were as to whether we were going to be interested, like y 1 Gus Zapaz, for instance, in Chicago was involved in, so we were interested in him. Mr. Postal. Did you know a man named Letterer from Chicazo? | | | | Mr. Sheridan. Not offhand. J Mr. Postal. Let me step out of this particular line for 3 second, Mr. Sheridan. Okay. Mr. Postal. And ask you this: at the time of the Bay of Pigs operation, did you have occasion to discuss with the . Attorney General any of his feelings about the Bay of Piss >: the whole Cuba situation? Mr. Sheridan. Not really. I knew, I knew it had haocere2, I knew it was a disaster, and I knew he was very concerned, ".* I don't recall any conversation directly about that that he ir: I ever had. . Mr. Postal. Did he ever discuss with vou his escalat:-: involvement in the intelligence community after the Bay of ~::s? Mr. Sheridan. No. Again, I knew that he, I knew that .e had taken a significant role in that, but I don't think he ever discussed it with me. 23. Mr. Postal. Uh-huh. Mr. Sheridan. It was his nature that he discussed th. 3 227027441 Page 12
with me that, I mean, so far as he was concerned what I was doing was a full time job, and very important, and 90 percent | of our discussions were about that subject. 4 Mr. Postal. Okay. 5 Were you aware, for example, of the fact that the Attorney 6 General was participating with General Maxwell Taylor, among Pnone (Area 202) $44-6000 wv ” others, in a board of inquiry shortly after the Bay of Pigs to 8 determine -- 9 Mr. Sheridan. Yes. 10 Mr. Postal. What had or had not happened with our 11 || paramilitary operations? 12 Mr. Sheridan. Yes. 13 Mr. Postal. Did he ever discuss any of it? “14 Mr. Sheridan. Findings or anything? 15 Mr. Postal. Yes, findings or information? 16 Mr. Sheridan. No. 47 - Mr. Postal. Okay. 18 Do you recall ever -- well, let me ask you this way: ‘o 3 19 |} you recall ever hearing in April or May of 1961, this was | 3 20 || shortly after the Bay of Pigs, of a problem that arose wit. | $ : 21 || the prosecution because of the Central Intelligence Agency's. i 20 ||| involvement? 3 23 Mr. Sheridan. No. 24 Mr. Postal. Never heard of that? 25 Mr. Sheridan. Not at that time. I have heard of it HW 53244 DBocld: 822702441 Page 13
: . 3 1 subsequently, and I have heard it in Jack Anderson, but I had a / 3 2 no knowledge at all of that at that time. ; i) Mr. Postal. Okay. i “4 : You were never shown at the time any documents that were -- | | t 5 Mr. Sheridan. No. | 6 Mr. Postal. Prepared contemporaneously with that problem? 7 | Mr. Sheridan. No. | | 8 | Mr. Postal. But if I showed you, might refresh your | 9 | recollection? : { 10 Mr. Sheridan. No. Again, there was, there was no need | ; il for me to, there would be no occasion for me to. ° | 7 2 12 Mr. Postal. Well, I understand that. But it seems chat y 4 13 ||}a fair number of people at Justice who were either involved in | 3 14 Ia particular wiretap case, or were in a position to have had 15.||}access to certain people who might have known about it, and 16 ||heard the skuttlebutt, as it were, and while they may not have 17 |\had an institutional need to know, the word was around. . | 18 Mr. Sheridan.. I am sure that's true. But we -- I diante | 19 |] and easily could have, but I didn't. J : 20 Mr. Postal. So you never heard any mention of the Baletti 21 || Wiretap case, or Dan Rowan, or Phyllis McGuire or any of that 29 || business? Street, S.E., Wasningion, O.C. 20003 23 Mr. Sheridan. No. No. | : 24 (ur. Postal. Did you ever hear at that time, perhaps later/! 25 || on in that summer of 1961, anything concerning a need to put HW 53244 DoclId:3 LoraaI Page 14
14  -FOP-SECRET 4 “1 |-€hat prosecution to rest? / ‘ | / Pnone {Area 202) $44-6000 2 i Mr. Sheridan. No. 3 | Mr. Postal. { Because of national security problems? ] , 4 Mr. Sheridan. No. : 5 Mr. Postal. The Attorney General never discussed anything 6 like that with you? ? Mr. Sheridan. No. ~ Ne Mr. Postal. Did you ever at the time, and I'm going to aoe focus your attention on September through January of 1962, hear 10 the name -- 11 Mr. Sheridan. What time. period? 12 Mr. Postal. September ‘61 through January of ‘62. 13 Mr. Sheridan. Okay. 14 Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear of the name Judy Campbell? 15 Mr. Sheridan. No. 16 Mr. Postal. If I can extend that period through April 17 fof 1962 -- 18 Mr. Sheridan. . I have never to this day heard of Judy ‘Campbell. Mr. Postal. Do you recall in March of 1962 the President i 19 20 21 || and the Attorney General taking.a trip to Los Angeles? 22 ” 3 9 3 N od a ¢ 3 = a ¢ é a a 2 w “ - e e M Mr. Postal. Perhaps [ can fill in a little. Mr. Sheridan. March of 1962? | . 23 | 24 The President was making a speech at Berkeley, I believe. 25 Mr. Sheridan. They took so many trips, you know, I can't HW 532744 Docld: 422707441 Page 15
WARD & PAUL "Street, S.E., Washington, 0.C. 20003 HW 535244 Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 10 ll 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ~ in —_ TOP -SECRET—__ 1s separate a trip in March '62 out. | Mr. Postal. Well, let me ask you this, did you ever \ | ; — hearing of the fact that certain phone calls were made i) by either Judith Campbell, or if you don't know her name, some ; woman that had connections :to the mob to Evelyn Lincoln in the t ee ele White House? Mr. Sheridan. No. Who is Judith Campbell? Mr. Postal. Judith Campbell is a woman who had ties to Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana. Mr. Sheridan. I never heard of her. Mr. Postal. I show you a memorandum, sir, and asx vou .£ you have ever seen this document? (Pause) Mr. Sheridan. No. Mr. Postal. Have you ever heard any discussions relative to the information contained in this document? Mr. Sheridan.. No. Mr. Postal. Then or now? — Mr. Sheridan. No. f have never heard the name Juditn | Campbell-until you brought it up today. Mr. Postal. Have you ever heard of any phone calls bein; made to the White House, if not by her by name, identifiec as someone, some woman havina called Evelyn Lincoln in the ‘fnite House? DoclId: 3727027441 Page 16
Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 WARD & PAUL treet, S.E., Washington, 0.C. 20003 ° wv HW 535244 DoclId:3 lL “Mr. Sheridan. No. 2 Mr. Postal. I would like to ask you, were you familiar 3 with the Secret Service practice and procedures that were. in _ || effect John Kennedy was President? w> oo . 1 Mr. Sheridan. Not really. I knew they were there, and a I 6 saw them, but I didn't know any of them personally, and the answe: 7 |} is no. 8 Mr. Postal. Uh-hun. 9 [% you know the name Carlos varcelio? | 10 Mr. Sheridan. Sure. ll Mr. postal. / pid you ever have an opportunity to investisaz: 12 | Carlos Marcello? | 13 | Mr. sheridan. [ Not really. Not directly. Jang since " left Justice when I was with NBC, we did a three and a half 15 hour documentary on organized crime, and there was some 16 investigational travels of Marcello in connection with =nat. 17 but even there I didn't directly do that investigation, \.: 1g || Was aware of it. But it had nothing to do with the Denarirent 19 of Justice. I am well avare of who he is, what he is. 20 Mr. Postal. You are? 21 Mr. Sheridan. Yes. 22 Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear mention that Carlos 23 Marcello had any connection with the Central Intelligence Ace-::} 24 Mr. Sheridan. No. 25 Mr. Postal. In any of your -- 202441 Page 17 — - - -
2 4 pa 1 Mr. Sheridan. No. 3 ¢ 2 Mr. Postal. Investigations? v Cg : rS) Did you ever hear either rumors or theories that Carlos | . ~ “4 | Marcello might have been involved in the assassination of John i i 5 I enneay? —— ; 6 | Mr. Sheridan. I have heard rumors of that, sure. 7 Mr. Postal. What is your evaluation of that information? 8 Mr. Sheridan. Well, that's a good question. You see, when 9 I was with NBC, we did another special on the Jim Garrison 10 investigation of the assassination, and we discredited that ll || investigation very strongly to the extent that Mr. Garrison Jd J < 12 |} charged me with public libeling and. arrested me or had me 4 13 || arrested. I surrendered, and ultimately we went into Federi: z 14 || court and got the charge dismissed. So I am quite familiar 15 || with Garrison's investigation, and as a result of that, with 16 || the Warren’ Commission investigation in the New Orleans area. 17 | I must say not to the extent that many of the buffs are, Dut 18 | I do know that Garrison and his investigation focused on 3: 19 || man named David Ferry, who is a rather strange fellow, who «as 20 || an Eastern Airlines Pilot, or a former Eastern Airlines pilc:. 21 || and he theorized that Ferry was involved somehow with a buncx 22 | of Cubans, and that they had conspired with a fellow named Be treet, S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003 23 || Clay Shaw to kill John Kennedy. 24 Our investigation of that investigation indicated to -3 + ~ 25 || that Mr. Garrison had not one scintilla of evidence of an- fo] ¢ HW 532744 Docld: 3727027441 Page 18
Pnone (Area 202) 544-6000 Loa] ° 3 r=) “ cd a c 6 a $ é aA a 3 W “ r e 2. a HW 535244 ll 12 13 14 15 16 17 ‘18 19 20 2l 22 23 24 25 Doct that. He ultimately tried Clay Shaw for the crime, and Shaw was acquitted, as he should have been. He had nothing to do wits it. So consequently, David Ferry, if you want to start a David Ferry investigation, David Ferry at the time of the assassination, was working for Carlos Marcello's attorney, and Carlos Marcello was on trial just prior to the assassination and I believe was acquitted, I think, the day of or the day before the assassinatio- But Garrison never went into that area I think for, I think I know where it leads him, but I think if Garrison was going to investigate and Start with David Ferry as the focal point, the | logical way to go instead of toward the Cubans, was towards Carlos Marcello. | - | | I just think overall one of the forces that had a great \ deal to gain by the assassination of John Kennedy was the mob, so I think any theory as to what might have been, or who might have been involved, if anyone was involved other than Oswald, would have to include the mob. I have no question that Oswald killed Kennedy. I know Of no evidence that anyone else was involved. And so at least at this point I have to conclude that | the Warren Commission was right. I don't preclude the possibilizy that there were others involved, and that the Warren Commission | was wrong in holding Oswald as being singly involved. Mr. Postal. You said you had a suspicion that when you mentioned that had Garrison commenced with David Ferry and 32327027441 Page 19 Say ey af ee ee, oe
7 | | 8 °o -) . ° 3 l proceeded instead of going towards the Cubans, rather towards x : . | N ( ‘ ts : 2, Marcello, that that particular line od inquiry would have borne | z F 3 | perhaps a good deal more fruit? 4 i ‘ir. Sheridan. Wo, I didn't say that. I said that if you \j . 5 | are going to start with Ferry, it is just logical that you not if 6 | Only investigate his connections with the Cubans, you also | _% 7 i investigate his connections with “arcello. Garrison may have | . 8 | been and probably was completely erroneous in starting with | 9 | Ferry in the first place. 10! Mr. Postal. Okay. | a ; 11 Mr. Sheridan. Because I don't know of any involvement of Fi 12 | Ferry in the assassination. There was more involvement of - ¢ 13.! Ferry with Marcello than there was I think in any assassination | plot. He worked for Marcello. 14 |} | 15 ————-r. Postal. Okay. ——- 1é Do you know of any specific reason why Marcello, as cpposed: 17 | to any other particular mobster, would want to involve himse!< : i . 12 | in this? . | 3 19 Mr. Sheridan. No. Wo. And I didn't think, you know, u Q 20 || if there was mob involvement, I don't think it would be on anv i<J 3 : 3 F 21 local level. It would have to be something approved at the z | wi 22 highest level, it would be a total mob involvement, not just the! “ ‘ 5 23 || involvement of one. | SK 24 [te Postal. So if Marcello was, in fact, involved, it 7 25 || would have been only as an instrumentality for the national HW 532744 DBocld: 32202441 Page 20 =e eee
Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 WARD & PAUL W'Sireet, S.E., Washington, O.C. 20003 HW 535244 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 el 22 23 24 25 DoclId:3 people rather -- Mr. Sheridan. Right. Right. Mr. Postal. Rather than as a lone wolf, as it were? Mr. Sheridan. Yes. Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear of anything to indicate that there had been a national edict issued or any national discussion relative to doing something about the Kennedys? Mr. Sheridan. No. I think like anyone else, you loox at the people involved, and you look at Jack Ruby, and Jack Ruby was certainly a fringe mob character. tle knew a lot of peopie, mob people, and Teamster people, and if you look at his toll calls just prior to the assassination, vou will see that most of them were to those type people. And his explanation of trat was that he was having difficulty with the union that had jurisdiction over his help, I guess, dancers, waitresses, or whatever they were, and that he was trying to solve that. °:.: that's why he was calling all of these people. The FBI investigated that, the Warren Commission was satisfied with the investigation. E is just one of the thin:s that arouses people's curiosity. Mr. Postal. Were you privy to the private life of Jon Kennedy? Mr. Sheridan. No. Mr. Postal. Were you as close to John Kennedy as yOu wire to Robert Kennedy? 202441 Page 21
o . 3 | rd « . Ps lL | Mr. Sheridan. No, nowheres near. 3 2! Mr. Postal. Ncwheres near? 5 5 i Did you ever hear that Carmine Bellino had conducted an “4 ¥ investigation on a very, verv confidential basis out of the ‘sh: 5 | House into either Judith Campbell or into some woman that i 6 ! didn't know who she was? 7 | Mr. Sheridan. No. 8 Mr. Postal. But verhaps had heard that such an invest: :acti:- 9 had been done? 10 | Mr. Sheridan. No. ll Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear that anyone in the ‘/hite ] < 12 House had hired an investigator to look into certain assert; y« 2 133 of John Kennedy's private life? < 3 Mr. Sheridan. No. Mr. Postal. Including his wife? | | | | | 14 15 Mr. Sheridan. No. 16 | Mr. Postal. Off the record a second. 17 (Discussion off the record.) 13 19 Mr. Postal. I would like to focus your attention cr *7e | 20 relationship between Robert and John Kennedy, and Frank (.-i'r. 21 Let's start at the beginning. Do you know when anor-<.- 202 mately that relationship was begun? eot, S-E., Wasnington, 0.C. 20003 23 Mr. Sheridan. So far as I know, during the ‘60 campa::-. r Mr. Postal. The ‘60 campaign? 3 24 paig 25 Where, to the best of your knowledge, were the “ennc-.- HW 532744 DBocld:32202441 Page 2?
t- fo Crt Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 a WARD & PAUL 15 16 , 19 20 21 22 Kreet, S.E., Washington, 0.C. 20003 24 °o -” @¢ 25 | Mr. Sheridan. I would think it would have -been ceftc ty a ts (T , I would think it would have been fairly early on in the campaiscn .Or in the administration. oe Mr. Postal. Oo you have any recollection’of anv reaso- cwhy that break occurred? Mx. Sheridan. It was my understanding -- and I don't incw | again why it was my understanding, but. it was my understancin: that it was because of/Ciancana's relationship or Sinatra's ' relationship with Giancana. / | ae . oy . Mr. Postal. [sere you familiar with Sinatra's relationshis !witn Giancana? | Mr. Sheridan. I am sure I was, I am sure I was, 27: ; know Sinatra's backgreund pretty well. Mr. Postal. You do? | Mr. Sheridan. And I think I have always been a great | Sinatra fan, vocally, and a great Sinatra critic because of j . | ue. Postal. You were aware, for example, that Sina: |} was more than just a friend of Giancana? Mr. Sheridan. I don't know what you mean by that. Mr. Postal. ‘ell, they had mutual business interests. nN Mr. Sheridan. No. I didn't know. that . Mr. Postal. | Did you ever-.have occasion to discuss ~ | Glancana‘'s relationship with Sinatra with either Join or Robert Kennedy? HW 535244 Docta:3 202441 Page 23
3 3 = “ li Mr. Sheridan. ‘'55 : 2! Mr. Bushong. That was in 1953? 2 oo Mr. Sheridan. Right. nt ; . “ a: lir. Busnong. ile was mantioned to you as working with tis ; ‘ 5 | CIA? 6 | Mr. Sheridan. Yeah. ? | Mr. Postal. Was it fairly commong knowledge amonast 8 | ex-agents that Bob was, had some sort of ties with the Central 9 | Intelligence Agency? 10 Mr. Sheridan. I don't know. I can't speak for most 1i !} ex-agents. 3 t < le | Mr. Postal. Did you ever have occasion to mentisvn 2.3- é fe] & 13) fact to Robert Kennedy? Fy ; 14 | Mr. Sheridan. I don't think so. I can't recall .t.7° 15 || He was never of any interest to me from that time he was 2 outs 16 || out until fairly recently when all of this stuff came cL. |: 17 || that's when he became a common figure again in the ‘ness. 138°! | tir. Postal. (“00 you aver recall hearing bob Mane’. g 19 || in conjunction with any wiretap case? 7 20 Mr. Sheridan. No. : 21 | Mr. Bushong. Do you know Joe Shimon? z uw 22 Mr. Sheridan. No.- E 23 Mr. Postal. .Do you ever recall or do you recall a ~ 24 || between Mr. Hoover and the fresident in March of 1962? o ¢ 95 Mr. Sheridan. No. HW 53244 DBocld: 39202441 Page 24 —_—_—- — -~— ~
Phone (Area 202) 544-6000 10 ll 12 WARD & PAUL 14; 15 16 | 17 16 19 20 22 treet, S.E., Washington, O.C. 20003 23 24 25 HW 535244 pocta:4 202441 Page 13; Mr. Pastal. Do you recall a meeting between Robert “enn | and Mr. Hoover in May of 1962? | “Mr. Sheridan. Mo. “Mr. Postal. Did you snow llenry Petersen while you « Justice? itr. Sheridan. Oh, sure. Mr. Postal. ‘Were you close to him? Mr. Sheridan. I was a good friend of Henry's. Mr. Postal. How about Bill Hundley? Mr. Sheridan. Yeah. Mr. Postal. Did you know an attorney by the name of Phil White? “ir. Sheridan. Sure. Mr. Postal. Did you know Ed Silberling? Mr. Sheridan. Sure. Mr. Postal. Silberling? Mr. Sheridan. Silberling. lr. Postal. Silberling. Bill Foley? Mr. Sheridan. Sure. Mr. Postal. Harry itiller? Mr. Sheridan. Who? Mr. Postal. Jack Miller. I'm sorry. Mx. Sheridan. Oh, Jack Miller. Sure. He was my re Mr. Postal. When section meetings were held in tne
° [=] fa} 2 @ : \ 5 1 organized crime and racketeering section of Justice, did you 3 2 ( group or representatives of your group participate? t < 4 i 3 3 | Mr. Sheridan. No. t : t a | Mr. Postal. You had vour own meetings with the Attorney 5 General? 6 | Mr. Sheridan. Yes. Yes. | 7 | Mr. Postal. Did anyone from the organized crime section . 8 sit in on those? 9 | Mr. Sheridan. No. In some Key meetings, Bill Hundley 10 ||fwould sit in, meetings leading up to the indictment of Hoffa, 11 || for instance, Hundley sat in. 3 : < 12 | Mr. Postal. Did you ever have occasion to discuss with é i yc 13 |} any attorneyvof the organized crime section any of the matter: < 3 ( 14 |, we have been discussing today? 15 Mr. Sheridan. I don't think so. I don't think so. 16 | Mr. Postal. In other words, if it had been skuttlebur: | ; 17 | in the organized crime section, say from the level of tienry 13 || Petersen on up, or from the level of Jack Kennedy on up tnrat 3 19 people had heard rumors or stories about the Central Intell. once ) Q 20 Agency involvement in a wiretap case, or had heard about J.-.:% ing fo) z 2] Campbell or had heard about any of these things, would you “ave z w 22 || been privy to the basic skuttlebutt that was going on, or ‘> “a : 23 || you think they would have told you? oa | Mr. Sheridan. Well, all I know is that there didn't -- 25 || you know, it's a fortuitous thing. ‘“le were in and out of HW 53244 DoctId: 202 =a~_ . e ee ee
33 3 ° ; 1 | other's thing all of the time. At any time any one or them i 2 could have told me that. The fact that he didn't is probably ; S just coincidence, if they were thinking, if they had had i ' those rumors. I never heard of this thing until I read it in 5] | the Jack Anderson. 6 Mr. Postal. When you read about it in Jack Anderson, dig 7 | you have occasion to discuss it with anybody at that time? 8 Mr. Sheridan. Oh, probably. Maybe Hundley. But I don't ! 9 | remember what he told me, if I did. 10 | Mr. Postal. At the time of the Jack Anderson column -- 11 | Mr. Sheridan. I don't remember when that was. Do you a ' : : 12 | know when that was? e i e 1z Mr. Bushong. In January, 1971. ‘ ; 14 Mr. Postal. In any of your discussions, did you learn 7: ! } 15 | any information that went beyond the information containec :- 16 || Jack Anderson's column? an Sheridan. Well, I don't remember what was in tre column, but I don't think so. Generally what I rememiered 2 being the alleged facts are what was in that column. 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 I Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear, from whatever source, 21 | |that Frank Sinatra had made certain representations to cert_in 22 || people in the mob relative to his position with the Kennedys $s? Street, $.E., Wasnington, O.C. 20003 23 Mr. Sheridan. Yeah. 24 Mr. Postal. You have heard that? “~ v Mr. Sheridan. I have heard that. 295 HW 532744 Docld:5227027441 Page 27 _—_— — ae ee
‘FOP -SECRET— Mr. Postal. Can vou tell us what you did hear? \ Mr. Sheridan. I have heard chat in effect that he mace ‘ 2 =) 3 ° < . nn n ro) N a eo < v S E representations that he could have influence, and that when ne ; -_s . Sot i attempted to exert that influence, that precisitated the breax iy 5 || in the relationship. 6 | “Mx. Bushong. Well, that's not what you heard. ‘What orn i 7 | heard..was -that- he made those representations, and then the res- 8 | of that, that when he attempted to, that that precipitated the 1 9 || break, you didn't hear that at the same time, those two things? 10 | Mr. Sheridan. tio. Neally, it's the other way around. - (9 11 | heard that the break was caused because he haa apparently mad. | 12 } those representations, anc went to either Robert KenAcly or 1.2 13 — on behalf of Giancana, and was rebuffad, and teat tat 14 {fj caused the break. " Mr. Postal. But you did hear that Frank Sinatra went 16 | to the President on behalf of Cinacana -- 17 | Mr. Sheridan. Or Robert Kennedy. I never knew WALI. 1a Mr. Postal. ZT see, And tuen he was involved in tnat : 1 | attempt, and as a result, the solit with Sinatra followel? 7 20 | Mr. Sheridan. Yes. 2 | : 21 | Mr. Bushong. What time did you hear this? 3 ul 22 Mr. Sheridan. I don't know. I don't know if it was baz 23 || then or maybe a little later. 24 Mr. Bushong. And fron whom did you hear it? ¢ 25 Mr. Sheridan. I don't know. HW 53244 Docld!52202441 Page 28
Pnone (Area 202) 544-6000 le 13 WARD @& PAUL 14 | 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 nt Sireet, S.E., Wasnington, O.C. 20003 24 25 HW 532744 DBocld: 1 Mr. Postal. Did you ever hear of any other attenmsts, not ‘ . * necessarily Giancana only, but the mob made to try to cet to either of the Kennedys? Mr. Sheridan. I don't think so. ‘Mr. Postal. Were the Kennedys also friendly with 3ins Crosby? Mr. Sheridan. I seem to remember they were. Mr. Postal. Prior to the time of the break with Sinatri, would the President Stay at Sinatra's house in Paln Soring3> Mr. Sheridan. I have heard that he did. Mr. Postal. If the President were given information <r .re told that it would be inadvisable for him to stay at Fr:-.- Sinatra's house, would that most likely occur around the of or after the time of the break with Sinatra? Mr. Sheridan. This is all speculation. I assume -_ would all be connected. Mr. Bushong. Well, isn't it true that the Attornre. General and perhaps the President were receiving couns7.:.- « from persons such as J. Edgar Yoover and others who were i...) of Sinatra's ties? Mr. Sheridan. That is true, I'm sure. Mr. Bushong. All along, that it was inadvisable, perc not using that strong a term with either of those two 1:s--- gentlemen, but all along that it was not a good idea ts chumming with Sinatra? 22702441 Page 29 FTAa Mh 2S Aer ae
Pnune (Area 202) 544-6000 Gr n> 190 11! WARD & PAUL 14 ‘15 16 17 18 20 2l 22 23 mi Street, S.E., Wasnington, 0.C. 20003 24 25 HW 53244 DBocld: le | 19° 33 Mr. Bushong. Do you know of that firm now? . . Mr. Sheridan. No. I know who Ed Morgan is. I have never \ . . | heard of Tom Walsh. Mr. Bushong. tiow, there are a number of Ed Morgans, as imight be expected, in the District of Columbia. One of them j | ij} 1S a newspaper, television, radio news person, and anotner is an Ed Morgan who took a plea after Watergate. [ana the third Mr. Sheridan. Is an attorney. | i | i . | Ed Morgan is a gentleman who has a professional relation -- | | | Mr. Bushong. Is an attorney and has a professional relationship with John Roselli, and at the time that this log was made, had a professional relationship with Robert ‘tanec. Mr. Sheridan. Right. I assume that is the Robert Morgan you are talking about. Mr. Bushong. It is. Mr. Sheridan. I know those things now. I did not know them or him then. Mr. Bushong. i see. Thank you. / Mr. Postal. Do you know Phil Reagan? Mr. Sheridan. Phil Reagan? The Singer? Mr. Postal. Uh-huh. Mr. Sheridan. I have heard of him, sure. Mr. Postal. To the best of vour knowledge, did he or «#15 he a friend of the Kennedys? 2027441 Page 30 PA pan ma