PH 137-4049 Sub B appointed anyone to act as capodecina in his place while TESTA is in jail. CAPPELO is a capodecima but has only old men under him who give him no trouble, Other than FRANK. MONTE and FRANK NARDUCCI (made members of LCN 10/19/61 feet according to PH 623-C-*). TESTA has old men under hin.- on In LCN when a capodecéma is "away" he should have somone _ to take over "temporary" while the capodecema is gone, PAT MASSI, who is. in Italy has JACK WILLIAM, trve name,. JOSEPH LANCIANO acting as capo, JACK WILLIAMS is not pemarently taking over for MASSI. MASSI has "eight" in his regime. . ‘This would not mean there are only eight in other regimes, '- This identifies PAT MASSI, JOHN CAPPELLO, PHILIP TESTA ‘The source elaborated on the above, Was your old man alive when you? i Yeah... PHILIP TESTA is in jail. It was not known if he > 'as capodecema in the Philadelphia family of. LCN. Later ANGELA BRUNO is identified as the "boss” and a member - of the commission of LCN. CAPPELO's father was "alive" when JOHN CAPPELLO was "madd LCN. $: 8S: C3) rd « Cz Cs... Capodecema I'll tell you the truth, I wish I wasn't, Why? Ah. ‘Ain't that much headaches , is it? I ain't got that much, but, ah, the headaches, So, your responsible for them guys,. Pain in the (obscene). -A wake comes and you got to get in touch with all of them, and bring--I got all old men. I.got to pick them up, If I DoclIda: 32301505 Page 12
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PH 137-4049 Sub B $3. Cs was by myself, I'd go by myself. I run. once a week, I'd go see my capi and then I'm done, I. never gave them a headache since I've been in . this thing. No, that's true, Still you have a chance, JOHN, for something.ssocce.. Garbled....Capodecina (like before?) I wouldn't...what he's. ‘got. I wouldn't, No, I don't think I would, ‘It's too much responsibility. = -I would never want it. you don't kno» the (obscene) trouble that is around now. We had a meet the other night. Man, I tell you, some of the stories that you hear, phew, It makes your hair stand up. Makes your hair really stand up. I wouldn't want it, | I tell you the (obscene) truth, If they would say to me, here, you can be. under (boss) (Italian gay I wouldn't take it? eoeetvake it? No, siree, I would nevey never. . Till lay you any money (Iknow who would?) take it after ANG, PHIL, I'11 bet on it, (SCAFIDI says he thinks TESTA. would take over if BRUNO. was re= placed. for some reason.) Well, maybe ‘they like them responsibilities, I don't, : I know, I wouldn't either, I-.mean, if I, was up in good standing and all that. No,. them things is all right. -10=" DoclIda: 32301505 Page i4
. PH 137-4049 Sub B- S: Cs. B38 It's headaches, JOHN, you got to have money. It's all right, if you got money. You're not doing anything. You got time to run here and there. Yoti take like me, With me, that's why with me 1t seems so,..l'm in the store, A guy comes, I got to go somewheres else, It's a pain in the (obscene). It's a real. pain in the (obscene), If I wasn't doing nothing, then it's a pleasure. I got to do. Understand? I don't say I'm sorry I'm the one, but then, I mean to say, it's good enough for me, I wouldn't want to be under (boss); maybe consuglieri because you are not too involved with something. ‘ What would that mean, in case of trouble? A consuglieri is like a lawyer. In case you got a beer or a gripe.or I got a beef with you. He. hears the story, and he tries to straighten it out. Understand? He's like a lawyer, In other words, he's like a peacemaker. Yeah, wait awhile, I got a...VALACHI...like you. - know when everybody gets together, all the big. bosses?. Udienza. (In English a hearing or meeting) Udienza? Well, there is another name, He _(VaLACHT) called it something else... la commissione, . Commission is nine bosses, aT Nine bosses? From different states? , / From different states, from different families, the bosses of nine different families, Now, if there is a beef in the family: like New York or Brooklyn PROFACI. Yeah, -ll=-—. DoclIda: 32301505 Page 15
Daas PH 137-4049 Sub B C; New York or what, (Auto drowns out) The Commission _- gets together and tries to straighten it out; other. wise, who the (obscene) kill them all each other, So they get together and try to straighten it out, You. know, somebody intervenes, and then the commission gets together, I didn't understand what the hell it was, The commission makes the decision, Oh, in other words they pick nine guys from different states. They've been on the commission for years and years, ‘Like our family, our boss (ANGELO. BRUNO) is a representative on there, He's one of them? He's one. There's CARLO CABINO, there's TOMMY BROWN TOMMY LUCHESE (Thomas Luchese, aka), Eight or nine — of them, . I always wondered what the hell it was, I mean, _.I never, JOE BANANAS is a new one.* What's what. There's L eignt or nine. They get together, The ; commission gets together and they decide what is to be done, and that's all, _ What's to be done. In; other words, ‘say for instance, ANGE, some of us (JOHN says hello to Somebody here) and there is . friction, there is fights, some guys disappear, -The commission hears about it, you know...they give you a hearing and try to iron the thing out some- where else, Take a vote, Oh. NX End of Conversation. (*Another name:mentioned but not audible, ) DoclIda: 32301505 Page 16