(404-10177-10053 SOON o a | 0%, Gp ae a ! - fepogity an S, IPRA PRA 3 LASSE CATION ns __ enemin — Ye %D eli sng REGURED SB. Chief, 5B GAT A AUPEQ DES CN Rta sO LING eee ss aten ate ne Sem So gurnaennrananigte —santatpnatanegtaie ee Chief of Station, ye -72 wena RBA : { AEMAKEUP O72 BCTOM ReGURED - REFERENCES ‘ | | Reference: wuikoso4 20 May 1968 Cy Yo ¢ | fizPat2s24, 20 aay yt fo || | | Attached are three reports, ag explained in para 2 of Reference, on the following topics: Marina and Lee Harve OSWALD KiLimey (stca Goursyn \~ K k2pecmnye” Travellers Checks (Addendum Gout eho~ Lrennotn H. PHILBROOK Soviet Defectors As stated above ~- 2 copies each . Document Number 120% = 13g B Distribution: . : B-C7SB w/atts : f 2 *, 2-C/SB w/fatts for FOIA Review on FEB 7) ; As of Nov 73 file review, these attachments ~ removed for #xitxug filing: - ; QUAMAKEUP DEBRIEFING ~ Final Rpports, CIA, April-~July 68, Pretoria ? | i . i Attachments: - Herewlith . : J { j | ind 6 ad tat 6, | 1 GROUP I - EXCLUDED FROM AUTOMATIC DOWNGRADING AND DECLASSIFICATIO CROSS REFERENCE FO OGPATCH S080) AND NUMBER” - ‘ DATE 27 [Aza 2534 5 June 1968 ASCO Was File MOWER ; 0, SECRET 7a$6-478/2 é
Marina and Loe Harvey OSWALD : The subject of the OSYALDs was introduced into the interrogation during a discusston about the difficulty a Sovfet citizen, who marriss a foreigner, encounters in attempting to leave tho USSR if the KGA chooses (for some reason) not to permit the Soviet citizen to emigrate, Subject stated that it goes without saying that prior to receiving KGB's sanction not a single Soviet citizen, whether ho or she is married to a foreigner, would be allowed to leave the USSR. 1 Asked if the case of Marina OSWALD's departure from the Soviet Union was typical, Subject replied that her departure from the Soviet Union was neither typical nor usual, particularly in view of ‘the fact that. her husband, Lee Harvey OSWALD, was a very strange individual, He had been in Cuba, “and then came to the Soviet Union not'as a tourist, but as ‘an American defector who renounced his American citizenship | and attempted to become a Russian citizen. This in itself is unusual for,an American - it is not typical and very rare for an American to do s0, and Subject believed that an ‘American doing what OSWALD dia (seeking Soviet citizenship and renouncing American oitizenship) could only do so because he was a traitor, In answer to a request for his opinion regarding the OSWALD case, Subject said that all of his information was based enly on what was known to everyone who read the newspapers after the KENNEDY assasination and on what he read in a con-~ densed varsion of the Warren Report while he was in Western Europe, When pressed for his personal opinion he said it was & very unusual situation, Normally a Soviet citizen (like Marina) would not be allowed to leave the Soviet Union, in fast the Soviet authorities would try in some way to convince the oiltizen not to leave, However, if a Soviet married a foreigner, and insisted on leaving he or she could always, ag @ last resort, be refused an exit visa, There have been cases where a Soviet citizen married a foreigner and received “an exit visa, however, in such cases the Soviet authorities have conceded to the exit visa requests only because they felt that the foreign spouse may have had some influence, and sould have created adverse publicity for the Soviet Government had the exit visa net been granted, This vas definitely not so in OSWALD 's case, OSWALD could not insist that Marina be granted an exist visa since he was not in a position to do so, and. consequently the Sovist authorities were not compelled to do so unless they specifically wanted to let her go to America with OSWALD, When asked to still further elaborate on his beliefs regarding the case, Subject stated that in this case (OSWALD‘s), Subject couldn't guess, and in-erder to come to any kind of a valid conclusion he would have to know something (factual), which he doésn’t, His opinion, however, is strictly an opinion without any basis or fact, He thinks that KGS was definitely interested in OSWALD while the latter resided in the USSR, .To presume that OSWALD could have lived in the Soviet Union as a simple American is excluded, Subject believes that he ey dial SECREL ATT. Po Geny-oase, S June ON o er neers . nN ANSE AEah  eyh M S me = peers wan 2 5 ren egy ere aeacuw ere nga - (88
the XGO kept OSYALD in "their field of visien® and undoubtedly worked with hin, To Subject it is unthinkable that the KGB would miss such an opportunity, since it always considers using porsons (such as OSWALD) for work either directly in intolligence, a3 an agent, or in any other way *°to inflict damage to the West’, Asked whather the assas(nation of President KENNEDY could be considered as "being damaging to the West*®, Subject answered in the affirmative, Subject explained that the existence of a government such-as the United States is a threat to the Soviet regime, The United States is an ezample to the rest of the world (Soviets inoluded) that people can live, survive, and have a higher standard of living in a democracy. Therefore, the Soviet Union tried, and tries, to cut the U.S. Government down at every ‘opportunity. Since’ President KENNEDY was looked upon by many in the.Seviet Union as a popular personality, KENNGDY's personal attraction further raised this feeling that living in a democracy had its benefits, to an even higher level with the general population of the 'Soviet Union, + When asked if it was possible that KGB could or- would ever sanction such an operation (the assasination) Subject answered “yes, at that time (KHRUSHCHEV's) it could have", KHRUSHCHEV was considered by Subject to.be an ignorant individual who was willing to take risks ‘and adventurous under~ takings. Subject said, however, that this could never occur under the present Soviat leadership, Subject considered that the decision to carry out such an operation, (the assasination) could not have been made by the Chairman of the KGS since he does not possess such authority, and, therefore, could only have been made by KHRUSHCHEV himself, Subject: was asked 4f such an operation might not have involved a terrific risk which could have possibly resulted in an armed conflict between the two nations, had Soviet involvement been proven by the Americans, Subject felt that even if the Americans did aceuse the Soviet Government of complicity in the assasination, the Soviet Government would certainly deny such an American accusation, claiming that the Americans were using OSWALD, a crazy man who had been in the Soviet Union, would say that the accusation was a provocation, and An all probability would repudiate such American claims, To underline | his point, Subject mentioned that even though OSWALD was'in the Seviet Union, and was suspected because he was in Cuba, nothing happened and the Soviet Union wasn't accused by the Americans,