-yeah, we had talked about it 2 don’ t know what his means were do you know what t mean by high roller » how much, what do you mean by when he was younger — — SERRE — — ~S well, I'd see him, you know I would see him two, three, maybe four times a week and then, uh, Gino did buy me a piece of jewelry, he bought me a charm for a charm braclet, they had a going away party for me but that was just you know everybody _ had bought me, Gino wouldn't always take me out on my day off | because a lot of things would come up that is another thing that > I couldn't understand is uh we would make plans to go somewhere and all of a sudden he would call me up that afternoon ‘and say I'm sorry but I must go to Philadelphia for I must go here,. he just made a recent trip to Philadelphia as a matter of fact, uh . - he stopped by to take me with him, but I already had another os date, so he left _ did he say “why he was going to Philadelphia D> no, cars: usually this is sort of personal, but did he every purpose marriage. to you” uh, would you say he lived above his means or within his. means aia. you get the impression that maybe he is a high xoller, “uh, yeah, In some ways I think he was and in “other ways. I don't know | aia. he gamble any to your knowledge . when he was younger he gauoled but he dicn't gamble any. more i — put the time that you have known hin, your knowledge he has oe “os never gambled “ine he | quit gambling ~<how do you know that he gambled when he was s younger “well he told me stories about you know when they used - to go to the race trach and you know things like this’ either just getting out of the service or while he» was. in’ the service - his business ‘did he ever explain to you how he came into money to set up no, and I never. really asked him, Patrick he dee! NW-55923 Doeld:32266807 Page 31
“no. in Virginia aia Gino have a bookkeeper or a Secretary of anything two or three years ago uh, I- guess quite a few you know let me ask you this or maybe you can give us some ‘kind, of. ‘an* - answer, or a speculation anyway, since you have known Gino and dated him and so forth, did he ever. indicate to you or did. you ~ ever get a feeling that maybe there was somebody out to get him that Gino worked very hard for everything that he has gotten. Patrick I think was trying to advise Gino to get out of what _he was doing, I don't know what Patrick, when Patrick was darinking or .Patrick would tell me how you know he wishes Gino would just quit all this and I don't Know exactly what. Patrick meant by quiting did Patrick go by a nickname when was the last time that you “say Patrick was. with Gino and them, where is Patrick now, do you have any idea do. you know where in Virginia no a guess — no, hhe may be working in construction, but I'm not’ sure, it: is) either construction or at a garage something like that . does he have. any friends, relatives or anyone ‘that he dates. ., around here ~ Patrick, no, I2don't know of anybody that he would keep in contact with - does he have a car “uh a. Chevy, I believe. it is a Chevy, that Gino had given’ him moo S nop he had one years ago but she a and he hasa’ t. -. replaced it 7 no, but uh, not so much Gino, but I knew Jason. has had a couple, stunts with people in his neighborhood really and they had. gone a as. far as doing damage to cars and things like this, and I knew: Jason wasn't too well, you know slashed roof tops. and. things .. . like this, I knew things like that, but as far as Gino not Tr didn! t know of anything ae NW.55923° Docld:32266807 | Page ‘32
~D.~ car rental at the Airport because that is where friends friends by brother, Sully, I think it was Sully that runs it te \M - what airport, do you know? D- The Baltimore, baltimore-Washington M = Does the nane Fran O"Brian right a bell? Dis no oM - How about McGowan? So eg hi, pe ne oM - How about the name Joe Nesline? D-- ho | OM - “How about Charles Tourine? oM - a he: ever make mention of an individual by the name of ‘Charlie ‘ _- the Blade? oO Ly M to your ‘knowledge did Gino ever carry a gun on vine ( D= no, | ‘M- To your knowledge was. he ever fearful for his life? op no | | a -§ -° pia you. ever have any indization at all that he was in Pa a >. oe. financial bind or for some other reason he might. want to. double “cross: his: partner or anything . like that? f) ; 8 - owe know he garble | oD _. don't think Gino would every doublecross Jason, they were very - oo close ‘and Lye aE OM =~ let me ask you this, do you think Jason would ever. harm Gino? oo = why do you say that? — oy | | . Dp _ I don't think he would, they seemed to get along - very well and ce ( '. they seemed to be very close in their business © Pat os NW. 55923 ‘Docld:32266807 Page 33 rs
MM, ~- Why would Jason do something like that? ("5D - some disagreements in the neighborhood, and you know he had ae — _killed a lot shurbs and they in return drove nails in his cars. or something like that and went back and forth, but as far ‘as: Gino, no, I don' t know of anything So : S - Has Gino ever been married, do you know? —D-: he told me he wasn't $ ~ had he ever “Dp - he told me he had never been M ad let me show you a couple of pictures and see if you recognize: - any .of these people. do you recognize those two individuals? » D- ‘no . | | cee : M- you don’ t know them, how about these two individuals 7 D.- - that is. Gino, ‘but I don't know who the girl “is, this. most have, been: ‘taken recently. though M.- _Why do you say that? /C or recognize the suit that Gino has on, it just got that. within Nee a year reir . LM = you don't know who the girl is. Are you sure that Gino lived | in Bethesda “Dp - Gino would » always just refer to it as outside. of D. C. “and then “a gust ‘recently he had been more specific where he was living anda "<I know Gino has a housekeeper or somebody, because Patrick told. “ys me that Gino had somebody ‘coming in and all the time watching . his: dog and watching the house for him and Gino. didn’ t - get along. well with his neighbors as far as I know na ay (Ss - why do you say that D- because they always complained about where he parked his cars eae - occasionally I guess he would drive the older cars home and he~ ~would want them right on the lawn close to the house and he told me several times when people would come over and try to fight with him he would tell them off and as far as I know he wasn't close _- . to anybody down there, with exception of the man. who ouned | the restaurant, I know he as ; my . M - he was close with this guy who owned the cestnaiiit ( . D-. Gino, always, not always, I know he rented some cats through the — NW55923° DocTd:32266807 Page 34 an «
os - Was it a social relationship too? ( B ~ yes, I don't know for sure but it seemed like Jason would OAR Re usually call the shots and Gino would usually Jason had more — to Say about the business - -/M - .was there ever: any indication as to who actually owned the - business? pe I took it that they were partners OM Partners, 50 50. ‘Did the name Stanley Tashoff ever r arise? a) - ‘Is that his lawyer? 7 oe M- yeah > Me have you ever met his lawyer? no . F -S - what contex did it come up in? --D.-" uh, ‘problems with the place, the city would say he. had to have” eo nn such and such and he would contact Stanley : (. “MM = The 75 Lincoln, the white one I believe it was, ‘do vomits 7 Seeing that one? ; So D- No, - it wasn't white, one was beige and the other was silver, _ .wasn' t it. ; -. : cs OE Sad i=. Silver; OK, the one with the tag number GINO zo “D = yes that was “M = which one did he bring back from California? D.- the beigh one, it was tan color, cream color interior was, the oe “one that he had driven back . o as “8S - that trailer that his truck was pulling, describe it. for me ‘so. noe rt know we are talking about the same trailer | . AS D - its uh white and it has Horseless Carriage Carrier written on it: ge About how big is it? p- I think it is an 18 wheeler, I'm not sure, but L think at) is a .°oM -— we just came by his place of business and we saw. this. big. ‘tractor ( . . » trailer parked in the back, without the tractor, does. that belong to Gino? NW 55923 .Docld:32266807 “Page 35 © =n