20024 (202) $54-2345 p.c, REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, S.W, 300 7TH STREET, - Docld: 32252529 a : 1a. | Te later supposedly was “involved. in the. assassination md | ! occasion to be in Panama? 2 : ‘The Witness. 1955? i am not sure, sir. In- 1955? Tr ‘aon' t believe So... Mr. vriplett. Did ‘you happen to be ‘in n Panama _ at the. time that President’ Ramon was assassinated? | The Witness. No, sire. . ur. triplett. “You were not? The witness. No. ° I did know -- oe. Rubin. (Interposing) Now Frank, that is: The Witness:. No, I was. not... | did you know? . oe Mr. Triplett. Well, my next question is, what, ' The Witness. ‘Again, ‘the Panamanian exiles.” contacted many of us cin ‘the Cuban Government in “1959. | one. of the pergons. who contact. me, which tT found out of ‘the PEesident’ of, Panama: cole. , Mes teipete. (intexposing) and. who was, that? ° oe The | Witness. iD forget his. namé. right now, IT “did have his name... ae ti. | ~ | a ner oe rn rere ss | oe Mr. Triplett. “Could-I- suggest Rubin. Mirrow? . i (phonetic). Wo Bf Ce So 1 “The Witness. Right. That is the man.” 23. | So ae a ne . ° ts Mr. Triplett. Where did you meet.Rubin Mirrow? |  ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. | Page 137° | | | t i ! to-| what I mean. Why - don' t you just answer ‘the questions. | | | | | 1 |
And I am:not sure whether it was the Air Force Base | 136 | 7 oo, .The Witness. I’ met Rubin Mirrow in Havana. , | | | | or not. Or. maybe in one of the restaurants. I am. | | | | | | 1 | i \ | a +4 not’ sure specifically the place where I met, him. 3 si “ur. Triplett. . Did you have occasion to visit . a $ ¢ | .Rubin Mixroy while he was in prison? .. 7 8 got in prigon. As.a matter of/fact “he. sent somebody J 3 out to contact me to help him get out. of prison. Zz 10 | ‘Mr.. Triplett. ‘who was that ‘person? - . : . z WW | “The Witness. I do not remember who it was. | a . . oe . .: ; Co - i 12 fe me, Triplett. ' Was it a man or woman? e 5 | a eo - ee! ae 5 13 | The Witness. “A man. I think it was a man. = “| Mr. Triplett. During this same period of time me no, a Po a os & 1s |. aid you have occasion. to meet a Judith Campbell? - a. Lot o a . a . rn =o | os _ The Witness. No. - S.W, : Mr. Triplett. Okay. | Going back to 1956, is that when you first 390 7TH STREET, arrived in Cuba? - “The Witness. - Approximately, yes. Os Mr. Triplett. And you remained in Cuba through =o back and forth. Mr. Triplett. Who financed this travel? The Witness. | | { | | The Witness. (Interposing) No. I was traveling ct oa . . : | | “These were like Prio... Prio's group.| a ea ee oa } . ot ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING.” | Docld: 32252529 Page 138
20024 (202) $54-2345 S., Jon 7TH STREET, Docld: 322595299 REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. es was my own personal finance, but. others were ‘on: monies, you know, from the group itself... | | | 1 oo Mr. Triplett. pid you ever have occasion to 7 manage a night club-in Cuba? | | Ss | the Witness. ‘Never worked with no night club | - 6} in Cuba. .. Never worked for anybody in Cuba but the 7] ‘Cuban Government. | | a) Mr. Triplett. Okay: a And in traveling back and forth,.what was - 12 your purpose in traveling? W | The Witness. Strictly to maintain contact with nl the underground organization. With their officials. | oe aa a 2p Mr. Triplett. Now in the course of these travels 2 you were in Florida, Mexico, Venezuéla, ‘Costa Rica, : oe ee, a 13 | Guatemala, Panama, Hondouras, Mexico, the Bahamas? - The Witness. Yes. 7 | a Mr. Triplett. “any other places that you ee nS oO "8 | traveled during that time? 9 |. The Witness: New York, Washington. aa ‘Mr. Triplett. And then you were still working Toh or out of Cuba through the middle ‘of 1959. “Ts = that correct? are BS 23 i : the Witness. Yes, sir. «| : Mr. Triplett. ‘when you left Cuba and came back 25 j tote ittea: statde, where dia’ you go to work? .Or . ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. Page 139. ‘ een acca ee eo cnn nn mee et ce ei ee ee en en oc oe
| | 1 what was your employment? - wo = § ™ . we Z “a c \ i SH. —_ i a" | S- 8 fond “ REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. Soe « a * fad oe = & ‘& ~ c 7 o. 24 |: ! | Docld:32252529 Page 140 |The Witness. I had a company that was formed — 2 i called Hampton Roads Salvage Company. | Mr. Triplett. Hampton Roads Salvage Company? | The Witness. Yes. | - | | Mr. Triplett. And was that a corporation? ' The Witness. Yes, sir. It was a Florida corporation. Mr. rriplett. Who were the incorporators? The Witness. I am not sure. It is going back so many years ago. But it is on record in Tallahassee. ure ur. Sturgis, ‘wasnot./tHat Hampton’ Roads’ Salvage Company _ + | sncororat’ in 19613 - ce 8 oe “the Witness.“ was it "61?  -Possibly, yes. Mr. yo what did you do fora living? . The- Mr. ‘The Mr.” ‘The We had an | I had an office in Coral Gables, import-export . ‘business. That is right.. ‘Triplett. When you first. came out of Cuba, 138 1 4 poy yo Triplett. Well asa mattér-of fact, Mr. oy witness. I think we -openea up a business. Triplett. Who is we? Witness. “Marcus, Pedro and myself. Triplett. What kind of business? Witness. I think it. was on 17th avenue. office on 17th Avenue. 0h, wait a minute... I forgot all about that. ALBERSON REPORTING COMPANY. ING...
2N02% (202) S5¥-2345 D.C. WASHINGTON, REPORTERS BUILDING, Siu: Docld: 32252529 ‘30 7TH STREET, de r be { | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | c | | | i Pr | | | | | \ Mr. Triplett. And How long were you.in that business? The Witness. Not too long. Because naturally . when I had lost. my contacts. inside. of Cuba’ 7 because .I was going’ back and ‘forth =- naturally that was: the end of the business... } Because. of mY: connections in . Cuba. The fact, ‘that my. ‘position © ‘in ‘cuba was “totally disconnected. “$° I jad: tO, ie atiead and close up: . that office and ‘close. up that business. 7 Mr. nriplett. . What did you do. after you closed.» that business? ‘The Witness. well, Marcus and Pedro Diez Lanz naturally were cin. exile here. | And being, in exile here, we | contacted - -- _ when 1 say ve, sometines I was with ‘then, sometines I was not with them -- they were in ‘touch: with various business. interests in. the. Cuban colony. Cuban business interests. one would be Barcardi. And’ then there were other = Mrs Triplett. (Interposing). ‘One would be ‘who? ° gave us money. the people who. gave you the money? ‘The corporation doesn! t give you the money. - <The Witness.’ That would be: Bosch himself, Page ai “the. Witness. Barcardi Rum. And ‘they naturally - Mr, Triplett. You say a corporation. - Who: were 7
140 personally. The owner of Barcardi. Other. people a 4 | 3 | who gave money, they had. an.. office here and their 3 main office was in New York, was this Cuban “newspaper. 4 | Tt was one of the biggest newspapers in ‘Havana at 2 | a 5 | that time and they came into exile. And, what's nn i a 4 | ow 9 } the: name of this magazine, Spanish magazine? - The a s 7 biggest one ‘in Cuba. And they gave money to the mS oY , a oe = a Diez Lanz’. i) "| And these are the monies that we more> or. less fam) : z 10 | lived on in order to continue our resistence, you “know, ge Tl against the Castro Government. a oe | =" ; . ey ‘Mr. Triplett. So, essentially you were supporting cs. ‘ : 2 13 | yourself | by either, planning or ‘carrying out raids - . 7 against Cuba at that time? That. was your source of g 1s ; support? - | “The. Witness. Yes. From ‘the Cuban colony itself. a bree eo | | i. 1g ; = |. Mr. Triplett. The Spanish magazine. Would that & Ibe Bohemia? (phonetic). | ee re ‘i The Witness. Bohemia. Right. : Mr, Triplett. . Did you ever receive any. funds a | from the. Catherwood Foundation? °° ee The Witness: “Who? © 26 f° . a 4 Mr. rriplett. The Catherwood Foundation? | "the witness. ALDERS ON. REPORTING COMPANY. INC. Docld:32252529 Page 142
141 Mrs: Triplett. Well, your organization, or were you aware of any support received from them? |. | a The Witness. Iwwas “not aware of it. “No. $y Mr. triplett. Then in September, 1961, you. z ar incorporated the Hampton Roads Salvage Company? S oj “phe Witness.” Of: Florida. = 7h Mr. Triplett. With Pedro and Marcus Diez Lanz. : ap What was the nature of that: business?. os “oy The Witness. . Well, we tried ‘to do some salvage S z 0 | work. Buying dnd selling: of boats and so forth. eo) | “At the same time it w was to be: used in. the "| operations.against Cuba. o ca E a7 ‘Funding: | for that corporation came from the exile : ‘6 [community who’ ‘dia fiave” seontaet with the coverhinent. a I it, mysele directly, had nothing to do with receiving = ' - S| the funds. personally, but the Diez Lanz brothers did | receive the ‘funds: which was pat in ‘the account for. | . | = 1g. | = ® | rampton | Roads Salvage ‘Company. = ae : = wf Four boats, were. bought. A PC boat. was ‘bought. a ho o 70° “ - 20 | Another boat called the Qusa was bought. Two moppies 9d | a on | {Phonetic) were. bought from ‘Bertrum's Yacht Company ope Pha! 22 us * and these boats were’ used -- primarily the idea of 23 | the company, was: to be used in CIA operations. 24 ; My boat: -- well, our boat 7 this one moppy, went . Ww in pe sarerons operations where another friend. gf mine, a be i, ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 32252529 Page 143
REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHINGTON , D.C, We. Ss. 300 7TH STREET, ta tH . 20024 (202) S5%-2345 a boats. 10 | oO Mr. Triplett. On a contract basis? nS The Witness. anytime they wantea, the boat V2 was available. Plus we were available also to do 13° | the operations. | ; 14 | Mr. Triplett. Oh, they paid for it then? Is | . . i 1 | { | | | | | ! | | | | Cuban, his name is Salvador Garcia who worked for — bh the Central Intelligence Agency, went on infiltration : supply missions: to Cuba and so forth. This primarily was what the company was used for. Mr. Triplett. Primarily for CIA operations? The Witness.. Well, let me say, primarily for ‘us to make a living. Even though it was funded by oo oe the Cuban business community, but CIA had use-of these | that yes oF no? Did you receive pay for it? | the Witness. TI have never received any pay» from CIA: _ a ms vee | i ee pa wey Fe ea . 4 - Mr. Triplett. Did the company -- not the |. company meaning CIA, but thé company meaning Hampton Roads {salvage Company of Florida -- receive funds | for ‘these ->. | | | The: Witness. (Interposing) From the Cuban | business colony. — a4 Lo. ee . ° . | Mr. Triplett. In other words, it wasn't. a | conerapueins the services? There was some sort of vel \' 0) ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 32252599 Page 142.
REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) $S4-23N5 S. th. 300 7TH STREET, dh os Docld: 32252529 pay. from ‘somebody? the Qusa? ~ - oe eS | got it? RK it | if anything? ue _ The Witness. Nothing. The boat meant something but the name does not mean anything to me. Page 145° 143 The Witness. Yes. Right. “Mr. Triplett. Now you mentioned a boat named". ae aed “ : £ ‘ oy at a Boos o s we * a : pio fos, 8 ay oe Yes one Bye oO Cel ee 4 Th ei Witness. “Mr, Triplett. How did it get that name? ‘The Witness. Well, this is'the name, when. Hampton Roads Salvage Company bought the boat. I believe Bertrums was the seller of the boat and Hampton Roads. Salvage Company bought it from Bertrums. | Mr. Triplett. “well, Bertrums is a boat dealer, isn't it? | thé Witness. Broker. Mr. Triplett. Broker. So who was. the previous owner? | | the Witness: 1 don't know. They would have . tne ropozas. Mr, triplett. And it had that name when you. \ Ghe Witness. I thik so: Yes. ; Mr. vriplett.. } What did that ‘name mean to you, Mrs Triplett. Qusa being spelled? /ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
ia 20 ‘2 — i 400° 7TH STREET, S.W. REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHINGTON, D.C, 20024 (202) S54-23NS , « = t (iN Ss vA i) re) n - ND +> sores. 4 ———————————————————————————— rr oso Sen Se oe eS SS ‘of income at that time? 7 ae a ae “TO..your knowledge, eithe ‘The Witness. Q-u-s-a. gusa..- Mr. Triplett... How long did the Hampton Roads Company exist? | . -The Witness. A couple of. years, I imagine, approximately. More or less. | “Nr. Triplett. And were you involved with this operation in day to day activities during that period? The Witness. Part of it, yes. Part of it, yes. a »Mr. Triplett. Did you. have any: other sourges “The Witness. ‘Just what I tola.you. ‘Mr..Triplett. What, from the raids? the witness. From monies received. from the business community in order to do operations. Which if particular this is one type of operation that we. did. - | Mr. Triplett. Well now to make it very clear, ‘you, received’ money from the. Cuban .business,,community. ¥ then or now, was the source of that money somehow from some other place. than the Cuban business community? , “The Witness. Yes. Because the Cuban business community had an association with the United States . Government on-a very very high level. “With the + AE BERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. Docld: 32252529 Page 146
2026 (202) S5"-2345 REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. Me 300 7TH STREET, S$ Docld: 32252529 _ 26 145 President of the United States which was President “Kennedy; directly with Bobby Kennedy himself, because Bobby Kennedy did take a direct hand in controlling the Cuban operations before and after the Bay of Pigs operation. ‘Oh, wait a minute. Before, yeah, and after the Bay of Pigs operation, right. a My friends, many of the Cuban leaders, had. personal contact with both Robert Kennedy and the President. 7 op oe, | Mr. Triplett: And who were “these friends that wp Me et ns ny : . “ you are speaking of? _ The Witnéss:*, Well, I am sure Diez Lanz and “0 it others besides them. Mr. Triplett. Pedro and Marcus? The Witness. ‘Yes. and others besides then. Marlona artime who naturally I know. The Diez Lanz brothers. Dr. Louie-Conte Aguerro. Ricardo. Lauri. “(phonetic). Nino Diez. © at that time? The Witness. Minola Rye? Yes.’ -Mr. Triplett. Could he be one of those that ‘was in’ contact? The Witness:-. Yes. Sure.- Mr. Triplett.. How. about, Tony Varona? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Page 147°: Mr.. Triplett.. Did you know Minola Rye (phonetic) |
| || a 4 w. = § NN t - a 36 n~ ' Ss 7 — ‘ s | 8 Ce ™ oI 9 a = 10 S Fa 9g —_ 11 Fs ss. , >. 42 ee = a 13 = a 14 we. & bei J & 13 °° Q Ga . an T-) ‘a IT Pa a, ta 18 & _n = 1g ~ an ec : S20 21 23 44 Docld: 32252529 . "Page 146 ; a SS t | | 4 I 4 146 The witness. Yes. Certainly. These. people had contact. on a ery high level, which I aia not. "Even though r- dia meet the President later myself. ‘But they more or less, as far as operational procedures with Cuba, they were on. that ‘level. I was not. | Mr. Triplett. After the Hampton Roads. Company dissolved, or whatever -- | The Witness. _ (Interposing) Just faded away. Right. Mr. Triplett. Faded away around 1963 -- if my Figuring. is. correct, some two: years after it was. ‘started ~~ what was your employment or source of income after that? mone oo hoe ae ae ce h aan wo ak ‘Mr. Triplett. ; How long did that relationship fT continue? | The Witness. For a. number of years. Myself, qwith the Diez ‘Lanz brothers, more ‘or less. He -had — other things -to do. Pedro, I think went on ay lecture tour. “and we were struggling when we were not igetting financial assistance ‘from the Cuban colony. It ly was a “struggle, you know. | Mr. Triplett. Did you have any other employment ALBERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. The Witness. Same thing. With the Cuban business
; Would you have those-available, say! ‘ ee Lo 7 | 147 | ‘| at that time? 2.| The Witness... I probably did. ‘But I..don't | recall specifically. It, is going. back so many years, ‘| you know. , 1° could-not ‘nail down’ the’ specific be -3 i employment I had*at:.that particular time. But I was. 4 6 | continually doing, I know, operations and again S | receiving financing from the Cuban business colony. g a Mr. Triplett. “During that period of time did | J 9 | you have occasion to sell stories to. newspapers and | co, = Ca ' Zz “* | Magazines? met “The Witness. At that time, yes. Yes. ns = 12 | Mr. Triplett. Do you recall which’ newspapers | 3 : ¢ 12 Tana magazines? | ° "| The Witness. Not off-hand, no. | S is “Mr. Triplett. Have you maintained any income | Pa Po a ca, wo a Co - * '3 | records for the period of say 1950 to the. present? | aM |  .* Phe Witness. Well naturally, when I did go to | na ee a en ae é “| work T paid my taxes when I did work. I paid, my | = 7 | taxes. - So I would have some records when I did work. | - “| You know, I paid my taxes. Cee | Mr. Triplett. So those would undoubtedly indicate) RR from W-2 forms where and when you had worked,’ wouldn't | _ | they? . 24 | ee | | - The Witness. Yes. | Mr. Triplett... | ALDERSON REPORTING.COMPANY, ING. . ‘Docld: 32252529 Page 149
148 for Mr. Fonzi at sometime to review and just check: with you where you were working?’ 4— | | 4 | 2 | | | | . . — 7 - ae jj > | The Witness. Yes. Certainly. Yes. I would | { "think my. wife does keep our records for the last five years. We may even have them longer than five years. | '. Oh, yes. Mr. Triplett. Or: Mr. Gonzales, if he isa “bettér accountant. . for Pan American, Pan American Aluminum Corporation for.a great number of years. | oe “the Witness. Certainly. | Well, I worked Mr. Triplett. in what capacity? “| @he- witness. y was a window and door ifistaller for then. ‘ a | ‘Then I went into the Sales end of the deartment. | This is before Watergate, naturally. And then... Yoo Mr. Triplett. ‘Who owned the Pan Ameri¢an’ =. | a oF Watergate, you know... i Company that you worked for?. oo te & ‘0° ‘he Witness., Oh; I.don't know. Some Jéwiish ’ ann ITH STREET, Sw. REPORTERS AUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) S54-23N5 fellow. It is a.very: large ‘company.. Pan American fr, s 4 Boulevard and- 183rd Street. As a matter of fact | : IL . ; | Aluminum. Corporation? Yes. They're off of Biscayne they sent my work #ecord up to the Watergate... investigators during the Watergate trials. . So..they Docld: 32252529 Page 150,.
149. have a record. i) Plus when I got out of prison I worked for.a_ friend of.mine who had an, equipment outfit. His ae name was Pedro Martinez. I worked for him a short ees oe ES , : “4 = 5 period of time until he sold his equipment. a 6 o ‘then I went to. work with a friend of mine called g 7) artreae Navro (phonetic) who had, whose brother and 8 | in had ‘thei ‘business at Dodge rsland here, called 5 9 | Dodge Island Repairs. and I, worked for him for oad as os 7 Ft tk = 10} awhile and then they ‘sold their business. z ia |: Then I went. to work’ again “for my friend Pedro a : Wo . = 12 | Martinez. ‘When he sold his equipment he went into if wo . De : . : mo , 5 12 | the egg business’ and I was working with him in the’ : ates department of his egg business. Then he sold Poistenaes | | | | Fe - And from the egg business -- that is all down there, you know, in: the income tax file. Mr. -Triplett. Then’ that will be available for ‘us to check? 300 7TH STREET, S.W. Jn EE ee a a a . a . : : : . - 4 0 he Witness. Yes. Sure. oe And if you can't get them from me -- I am sure vs 7 have those records because my wife does keep, the | Tecords year after year. So there is no problem there. 24 | oe . a 7 . Mr. Triplett. Very good. oc | vos . : 25 i ~ ate : _— are ~ You mentioned Manuel Artime -- i Se we at qo} Se cee a a 4 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 322525279 Page 151.
20024 (202) 354-2345 S.W. 3200 7TH STREET, Docld: 322595299 REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. i 150 1 The Witness. (Interposing) That is Marlona. 2 | Mr. Triplett. Marlona Artime. | : 2 | The Witness. Right. $ | ‘Mr. Triplett. You mentioned Marlona Artime as | one of those that had contact with high people in. | _ — ‘the government. The Witness. Yes. Mr. Triplett. What exactly was your relationship “during the early 1960's with Marlona Artime? The Witness. Well, I knew Marlona Artime. He went into South America and then he came up to -- because we more or, less founded here in exile, the leleouruchine the funds. that,.the MRR’ movement was getting from -Central Intelligence Agency, one 3 | | | i : Marlona Artime came out of Cuba working with the CIA. | _ | | | | j of the safe houses that: we had. was on Brickell Avenue, | -ana Marlona dceasionaliy came thete ‘to Brickell Avenue | Because we used that “as an office. And many of the | cuban exiles who worked for the Agency and did not | work for the Agency, coming out of Cuba, this was the | first place they would come to, the Brickell Avénue : ! §afe house. | Mr. Triplett.. Now you say Marlona Artime came J out. of Cuba working for the CIA. To your knowledge, - | was he working for the. CIA before he left Cuba? | ALBERSON REPORTING COMPANY. ING. Page 152 : | | | | | | | i | | | | | | |
| 151 | - The Witness. -I-am-not’-sure realiy.— Because * So Doe re 2 again I will say: I did,not know Marlona’Artime in- -3 1 cuba. I only met Marlona after he came out of Cuba. 4 | “When he ‘came out “of :Cuba; I. do not know where - = 3} he made. his’ contact with CIA or they made contact ! | an ce : . | . no a (6 } him. Either in South America or here in Miami. = 7 _” When he came to Miami he was under the control oe oe - | ow 2 $1) of CIA. an | : . v 9 | a “Mr. Triplett. I see. rt Ho _ a cS . : Zz 10 i. And the Brickell Avenue -- you-would refer to S ia | that as a safe. house, at Brickell Avenue? = HR I. The Witness. Yes. That is what it was. 3 , ; a oe Zz | . ; : od ‘ - S an This is where Geraldine Shamma had her little = | coy . So ae a | rene in the back ‘up’ on the second floor. Because 3 oa ene ne. : a , - 2 As , Gownstairs was the garage.. I do not’ know whether it we | , 4 a = 18 | was a-doubleor triple garage. It is still there on. ” 7 | Brickell Avenue today. od Hoo . . : os oo z an Mr. Triplett. You had, I presume, various” - 9 | meetings there? .~ o ot The Witness. Yes. All there, yes. ; wee || » Mr. “Triplett... And that included yourself and / nd . fe the Diez Lanz brothers? The Witness. Yes. And many others. . : Mr. Triplett. Eduardo? The Witness. N "Eduardo never .came there. At. | ALDERSON: REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld:322527529 Page 153 5
A «400 7TH STREET, S.W. REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) S5¥-23n5 8 ee me ae 3 5 ts ‘ ” be? 22 | ail | 24 | il 25. | i | Docld: 32252529 ‘Because he did not have direct contact with us. “political aspects of the: thing. Remember, I was: Tt ee SS SS et a fairly important control over the operations? ee oe eo “ ‘where you were on November 22nd, 1963. is where were you on the evening of November 21st,’ 1963? in Miami. 152 least not to my knowledge. Eduardo never came there. Mr. Triplett. Well, he did in a-sense have control, did he not? Le The Witness. Well,.-the political. Again the . military. ‘Mr. Triplett. But the financing too, was dependent upon the political aspects, were they not? “The Witness. ves. | Mr. Triplett. So,in.that sense he did have The Witness. Yes. But that ig. people other than myself. For instance like Artime and other people. They had ~ direct control'with him. I didnot. ~ | Mr. rriplett. “I see. | ‘you, I-am sure in’ many interviews, both official and unofficial, ‘have been questioned as to | . The Witness. Yes. : a Mr. Triplett. . My first question in this area, The Witness. ~I am quite. sure that I was ‘here ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. Page 154“
16 = m7 . & a o f _w E OIF ~ = 49° Ss 20 21 - MH an VS so af 23 Docld: 32252529 2N02H (202) S5N-2345 REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. : o ; dn Sto ee, evening prior. =. a a RR a oa a? Mr. Triplett. On what do you base that assurance? 15 The Witness: I really can not say. I was: here on the 22nd. -- Mr. Triplett. (Interposing) The 22nd is the ‘day of the assassination. I am talking about the. a rr .'t . The Witness. — I had to, be here. I had to be . a a Se mw as . te + . ‘ here. ."" Ns ae ee re . we in , ‘ it is clear, but if you >can verbalize it, how do you knéw you had to be here? . “The. Witness. Well, the only thing I can say ‘lis the witnesses who have told me, for instance,: my — mother-in-law, my nephew. He lived with me. My wife, myself and I believe Jim Bucanhan, I believe Bill Johnson, ‘because we were involved in air operations.at that time. it with .all of these people? The Witness. “Oh, when this thing started ~ coming .out, naturally, certainly I discussed it with then. . Because I had to put elear in my mind. where . I'was before. I knew where I was that day because I saw it on television. I saw it on television. Mr. Triplett, ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. Page 155 “Mr. Triplett. -Again,.I know in your own mind. | Mr. Triplett. Are you saying you later discussed 3 Did you sée it when it. occurred, or
7 | ’ Pe ee _| Oh reruns?> 2 The Witness. I imagine it was reruns on. ' 2 | television that day. | *| As a matter of fact when Marita Lorenz made 2.5} these accusations. and I went to New York and I was 3 6. &¥rested by the New York Police Department, and I = 7 ‘was released on bond, I immediately told my Attorney, 3 7 that I wanted to take a polygraph examination. | 3 Z -In the past, I volunteered to take a polygraph a = 10 | examination with the Watergate Committee, with the = 1 | Rockerfeller Committee, and volunteered with every ® 12 | conmittes to’ take’ a polygraph. a oo - Fe 13 | Now ‘here, with,.this mess that Marita Lorenz a Se : Lo, Ese | created, 1 asked my lawyer, I want to take a polygraph. 2 : a - | - | 7 shana 2 did take a polygraph and I passed the polygraph. ; is | . Mr. triplett. Well, when you say you passed, ' 7 you are telling us that the finding was that~you were : ® | not deceptive in your answers? . = 19 | | The Witness. That is right. ‘And if you would = 20 jase to ann me-questions of what I was asked and what oss | my answers were, I would be very happy: to tell you. Re Mr. Triplett. Frankly I do not want to get | *? |ihto a second hand account of some other polygraph. | ; The Witness. All right. 25 And again, just to make our record { Ht . r ‘Mr. Triplett. Hl a i | - ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld:32252529 Page 156°
155 | clean, I know you have.:been asked and answered these ta “questions many. times s before. But where “exactly where Ci no on . ‘were you: on ‘November’ ‘22nd. when Président Renhedy was assassinated? The Witness. At my home at 2515 Northwest 122 ‘Street, Miami, Florida, zip code 33167. ny . Mr. Triplett. And that is. stinl, your home today?! ar the Witness. Yes. 20024. (202) 54-2345 S 1 “Mr. Triplett. What were you doing at’ that time z= 0} at your home? iS i yo The Witness. Possibly I was sleeping or I ~ | was in the bedroom. - And I believe my mother-in-law & ra came, you know, and said that there was some news «| on the television that the President was. assassinated. a ee oye Hl g 4s Mr. ‘Triplett. _t believe there is. . two hours Boo | , ad 5 z [3 | -time difference petween Florida ‘and. ‘Texas. So that..." 7) Toy : es " | woua have made it ‘about. 2:30 in the afternoon, on x “yea Friday afternoon. - = | | oa - . = "9 I} i. Were you unemployed at that time? Why were not. © S200 qb 7 , 2 | you at at: work? Sr | The Witness. I was again doing operations, eX * | before, during and after that particular time. aio oe . BC a a Mr. Triplett. I see. - oes And who else was at your home, at that. time? _ . 95 . ‘ ‘the: Witness. Just-the. people I mentioned. It oo! ALCERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld:32252529 Page 157 6 0 OE gi ed fe Dea
a ad CoS ee te 654-2345 so tna 2n02n, (202). § particular day. Moye Sea . om WASHTHG TON, DAC, » REPORTERS BUTLDING, 4, oe 17 aa 300 7TH STREET, how to get there; S) . s) ‘Docld:32252529 “Page 158. was my mother-in- that he came over, r., Triplett. _The Witness. of operations. with ‘mes’ Mr. triplet, | “is: currently located? : If he wishes to have it, ‘Mr. ‘Triplett. made by Marita: Lorenz. “Also a William, ‘Johnson, > os ay The Witness, weg, sit, “eee eg -T'do' have his phone numbers , you know. of times in other answers, “ALS ERSON | REPO law, ‘my: nephew, Jim Bucanhan, Jim Bucanhan?. * in. my address book in) my autohobile. the allegations. recently ORTING: COMPANY, my. wife, myself, And as a matter of fact, dim Bucanhan dia mention to. mé during all ‘this exposure over ‘the JFK assassination he told me that he came over .to afternoon. So there is a ‘possible outside witness other than my family who knew that I was there ‘that who was doing a series 1 believe that he can verify that ir was in town. before and after ‘the assassination: , Do you. know: where. Wi11ian Johnson. oe lives 4 in. Miami> today. vand ‘he lives off. of: Brickell Avenue in’ Sansusi Estates. | His phone number is” (893-6013. ‘His’ address I don't. know: because. I ‘know )I will. give: it ‘to Me. Fonai. ‘Now: you have mentioned . a éouple 156 the house that. afternoon and ‘that T left with. him that: But I do have ‘nid addvene’” It is -no-problem.: ING.
20624 (202) SS4-234u5 REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON » OC, oO SW, S Si 300 7TH STREET, e=_ x na sa nN Ee “the ‘United’ States, nor did I kill the President: of. “Let me: ask you specifically, did you, in the - company of Marita Lorenz, Leon Oswald and others, drive to Dallas a day or two before the assassination? “the witness. Sir, that is an absolute lie. r have never been with Marita Uérenz and Osie, as she calls ‘him, or with Pedro Diez- Lanz, or Mar cus Diez “Lanz, or ‘Dr: Orlando Boseh; or Jerry Patrick, which ishe claimed alli of us besides dome other Ciibaiis, ‘were in two automobiles aia left Miami, Florida two’ days “before the assassination of the President of *the United States. She is a liar. I took a polygtaph examination to that effect that 1 have never beér involved in any conspiracy to kidl the Presidént*of the ‘United States, nor was I with her at. any ‘time _ ‘ea. nor-was I with her in any automobile with these people ox any, other people going to. Dallas to plot t6 kill t SMe. Triplett. Well, not; getting into her... character, which I am certain: you have very strong émotions. about, it is your testimony then that that is not true? You never made such a trip? _. The Witness. t 7 Not onlynot true., she..is.a.liar,. 157 conspiring to kill the President of the United, States, the President of the United States. She is.an “absolute
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| 159° od . _ a . Mr." Triplett. Were you ever in an automobile 2) with Heming, Bosch.and Marita Lorenz in the Florida, 3) Keys? "The Witness. -No, sir. ! { TS a 3 | Mr. Triplett. ..Never? ao 6p . “The ‘Witness, No, sir. With ‘Marita Lorenz, Dr... ee ee = a 7 Portana Bosch and. Jerry Patrick Heming? -g. 8h Mr. Triplett. “Correct? G8 | “The Witness. No, sir. glo] Mea Triplete. ; Now: yous have mentioned both: i . ‘A a . . 5 ‘a 7 ity Jerry and Jim Bucanhan. ‘in a. _lot of your other answers. a . ane me On a Mo . “ 5 ae - Fon | And ait: is, teorrect, is it not, that! they | are. primarily, =z . en : a !3 | journalists by. trade? Newspaper men? = a The Witness. | Primarily... Mes, sir... 2 We “Mr. triplett. And have you; on occasion, a | ' , oe IS provided. ‘them with information to incorporate into ~ = he, , me articles, or which they dia in: ‘fact incorporate into = S| articles? E. Bp whe: Witness. ‘Some. (Yes, sir. 5 20 | oS Mr vriplett. And could ou. ive us. ‘some | , | oes y 3 Sug") estimate on how, many occasions ‘this | may have occurred? OO : we “6 a The Witness. No, sir. I couldn't give y you a’ correct: estimate. No. BT Mr. Triplett. ‘But would it be a. fair. statement 25 | to say that you. ‘have ‘provided them with information “4 ALDERSON REPORTING ‘COMPANY, ING. Docld: 32252529 Page 16i. |
160} that they have used in articles on numerous occasions? The Witness. some.” Some. ‘of the articles they ‘used. Some. Yes. I won't go ‘into details. -Some de of it, yes. Mr. | Triplett. And ‘this would be both’ about an well first ated ‘some of this information would have been about your anti- -Castro activities? 2N02m (202) S58-2345 ; ; “te , } i | | | | { ; ao the numerous allegations concérning the assassination. | | | | | | 8 The = Witness. : Yes, sir. Jo Mr. Triplett. And some of the information (¢ . to ne Be z 10 would have’ been your views, or reactions ‘regarding me LL 5 ~ 12 of Président Kennedy? ; 2 . . - . . a ‘ . .. we " . : a 13 | The Witness. Some, ‘yes. _Because I do not = 4 | ser with everything the newspaper. reporters write. eo So me - oo oo — Wi -: -.'’Mr. Triplett. Well, I am sure we.all understand 7 ion oes oO a _ ; “ lp that.” “ vo = But you have :provided them on occasions with . i 7 H + - . . 5 : oe © Pl - : . * _ : i : z 8 | .tnformation regarding your views as to’ the assassination? - 19 ! The Witness. Yes, sir. a op Mr. Triplett. - And the allegations? oe ™e Witness. ‘That, is right: Mr. Triplett. “Would it be. fair. to say, the. in] us nN. me j same regarding paul Mescal (phonetic)? { : . | “The: Witness. ‘ves, sir. Ww th ‘Mr. Triplett. You- have provided him with such ALDERSON REPORTING cs MPANY. INC. DocId: 32252529 Page 162° oe Cane Te CP tl 7 eat A f
— | ms —_ - ae oe 7 )n i) in articles? information on: occasion and has subsequently. been used The Witness. Yes, sir. Even though I do not” en agree with everything he writes, yes, sir. in a Mr. Triplett. - And how about Andrew St, George? 2° 4 - The Witness. He is a lying son-of-a-bitch. & 7 Mr. Triplett. I did not ask about his ad 3 9 The Witness. It is not his character. He is = 10 | | character. a ‘liar. | Mr. Triplett. Have you had occasion to be interviewed by him, or have him ask you for information that has subsequently. been’ used either for ox against you in articles and publications? | | * ¢ ‘The Witness. . I have never ‘given this man REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHINGTON, a ‘information during: the Watergate trials, and what Wl. . 4 te. Le s he has written about his association with me pertaining ‘to a number of things, this is why I say“he is a. 30M ITH STREET; S. | | lying son-of-a-bitch. “put in the past, yes. Becduse in Cuba, he was” | there as a free-lance photographer; reporter and so | Foren an he was in touch with me. ‘Yes. But I have | ASt ‘seen him after we left Cuba. ‘The last time I | saw him was just before the Watergate thing. | | : Hee -This.man is typical of some of the news media _ + | | ALDGERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 32252529 Page 163 e . : .
20024 (202) $54-2345 9 BUTEDING , WASHINGTON, D.C, the phone & - oe S The = — mo, Mr. = a A ao - ' The oad ! = jtzying to wo = Cc oan De “Q Aad Mr. Docld: 322752529 Page “164. | reporting. And I say some of them, because not all of them are that way. at least. June 1960 until the early 1970' Sy you did not see Andrew: St. “George? . The Witness. Not to my knowledge. In all those years ‘I have not seén. Andrew St. ‘George. “oMr. Triplett.» “Has he ever tape recordedan™ intorviey with’ your de. ere The. Witness. Tt is possible. I don't know. er 'm not sure.” I do hot ‘think so. At least Io am not ‘aware of it. - ‘get me to sign a contract to write a book. land because of” my feelings of his underhanded ways of going. about it and with him not wanting to have my Attorney look over the contract, I dia not sign a contract with him. - So I blew the deal. 162 Triplett. So, you are saying that from Triplett. ‘Have-you talked with him.over during that same period? | Witness. -Yves."* Triplett. How many occasions? Witness. On a number of occasions. He was Triplett. Now have you Personaliy’ naa ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
| 163 | we The Witness. .As much as I could financially. | Because again, my financial -- this thing has not» come about unti Ei 1 after the Watergate -situation and t ” ’ de “my financial situation since Watergate has completely i destroyed me. , But-what monies I ,did have and so | t | | os | x + | : oe oo i z , oar . . « 61 forth, in buying certain books and researching them, = 7 | ana also obtainiig. from friends" of mine who at one S a time did have a connection with CIA’ and documents that S 9 | ¢hese people have shown me and given me, I have: tried z= "9 | by best to show that there was a link. between Ruby g . . : rn eu | and Oswald, which would show that there was a =. BS a . . “1 | conspiracy to kill the President of the United States. g 13 oe Mr. Triplett. Have you worked with, or nl a cooperated with Jack Anderson in any -of these be ; oe coors . = 435) ee _ z '3 | investigative efforts? : 6 | ‘The Witness.. Well, when you say worked, no. = | ; a 7 oe OO . 18 _ - ; oe | Mr. Triplett. Have you provided information - to. him, possibly the results of your own investigative 30N 7TH STREET, wt have never worked for Jack Anderson. efforts? OE “The Witness. Well I would say Jack and I have oF a9 | a - oo . ye | been in touch over the period of years since I came _ re — oo oe I from Cuba. I met Jack in: Washington, D.C. with aoa a - CO - oo . | Pedro Diez Lanz, and he was trying to help us. He_ , |.Was one’ of the first newspaper people in this country rns - "+. ALDERSOM REPORTING COMPANY. INC... Docld:3225235279 Page 165°.
. . . ws . . . wen oF a fee . . ' » . . . bo . ' “ . oy. Ce ae 7 . 164 os : os ey: . . . we . . : . to denounce Fidel Castro as a Communist. Especially nw with ‘an interview that he had with Pedro Diez Lanz and myself. a | | Ana also the fact that Pedro Diez Land, myself and his brother drove from Miami to Washington to the Senate Committee on --. I forget ‘the correct name” 2N02" (202) $S4-23N5 i | ) | | ! | 7 ) of the’ Committee -- but pertaining to. the Communist infiltration in the Cuban Government and military, | i a a ee | notifying the American Government .of the Communist | infiltration, you-know, naturally, in Cuba. ~ -Jack Anderson, over the period of years has | Peer in foucn with me where it pertains” to anything J Co a ae ge oo, iH that goes on in Latin America because I am aware of i it, because of my close’ connection in: the Cuban colony. I am aware of a number of things that goes on in a REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHTNGTON, D.C. o number of the. countries, especially in Cuba. ale Where it comes. that Cuba is. involved in many e- 18 my n . = 19 ee ‘ oe -_ | te 6 e. information because we try to keep up. to date on the 2 2 a. | | t | | things,. I will go.out to see my friends who give me Cuban. situation in this hemisphere... “And Jack has as a newspaper man, a lot of information that I feel aoe nmene ame which I will not give Jack, — in | he should not have. | Mr. Triplett.., Have. you.ever given, or passed ‘on information to.Ja ! Anderson at ‘the request or ALDERSON RE2CRTING COMPANY, ING. ~ Docld:32252529 Page 166. oye cee
§5"-23N5S Wi. Docld: 32252529 ‘2n02" (202) REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. “300 7TH STREET, 'S 2] cra official who was an Admiral, Had the. rank of yp Ades at ‘that. seine ne aan Page’ 167: . stiggestion of any Government Intelligence Agency? The Witness. No, sir, T have not. oAs a matter of fact when I came’ “from Cuba. years. ago, Jack Anderson thought t night be’ a “good asset. eS my friends: with the ‘united States Government in. _to ‘the CIA’ and wanted me - to be introduced to an ‘Admiral. “who at the time wasa ‘high ranking CIA official, and Mr, Triplett. | Now wait, 1 do not understand. You refused to. be introduced’ -- “The Witness, (taterposing). To: pa high. ranking eth. war an . Ae Mr ‘Triplett... And why? we . : i, this area. Mr. “Teiplete.- And. “your, friends. © ‘You. are talking about” CIA assets’ here, or the ‘anti- Castro, ‘Cubans? ‘who had close connections’ with the: ‘American’ ‘Government. | that. were involved. “ness weignatgesipow 4, bodievelt Genea pos this _ ALDERSON REPORTING (company, ING. | I. refused. "Because of my. involvement here naturally. ; | the Witness." ‘Because ‘of my, work that ‘I was ‘doing po the Witness. “Ir “am ‘talking about. omy Cuban friends { ftom the» President all the way. down, and the Agencies | | nebe that I did not want to. tell, Jack of my association |
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Hl 30n ‘7TH STREET, S.W. REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHINGTON , D.C. 20024 (202) $5n-2345 Ny ah da Docld: 32252529 Page 169 . did work with the Go . that? also to the FBI through friends of mine. Mr. Triplett. What is Mr. Al Tarabuchia's position, or what was it at that time?. The Witness. I forget. x think ‘he worked -- I couldn't exactly tell you the correct name because ‘I could be wrong and you know, I don't know, but. he vernment; Whether it was. 7 on 4 a uy? an ‘we did know ‘that he had internal security, but somewhat o f an- involvement eyen before the Bay of Pigs invasion, you know. He was a conduit, let's say, for the ‘Governmeht. inthis area here. And I could possibly go as’ far as saying that Mi, Tarabuchi also was a person who might have been in touch with the Dade County, you know,. the local law enforcement agencies for the Federal Government at that time. - Mr. Triplett. You say there was an involvement by Cuban Intelligence in the assassination? Is that -what you said? - The Witness. Yes, sir.. Mr. Triplett. on what evidence’do' you base - oN 7+ The Witness. Most of it hearsay evidence, sir. Mr. Triplett. Okay.. What is the nature of the hearsay evidence, other than the conclusion that it ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING...
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169 States, into the area of Dallas and New Orleans and went to the Archives to find this evidence which | | 2 so. forth, the Mohrenschildt's close relationship | | 3 | with him, which I suspected the Mohrenschildts was. | | co. + working or had an association with Central rateritgence| a 3 | Agency. | T | | ; “a $ Oswald's contact with Cuban Intelligence agency | ee ne 8 7 | in that area. “Oswald going to Mexico City, making oh “3: ay contactiwith the Russian. and Cuban Embassy, spending | sg five days there. And if anybody has been to Mexico | a. | ne . z (0 | City, you know’ that. you just don! t lay. around Mexico | a " City. It costs a lot. of money. A great ‘deal of money. | a oo ne Dee 7 72 “And all these, with some’ evidence pertaining | e 13 ft to this association and the corinection between “Ruby | | . id | and Oswald, with the evidence that was turned over | an ae e. mae to the FBI in. Dallas by individuals who had. physical | x i 1 fod i : ' : * ae control « of this evidence, the. PBI sent it to headquarteys: “ wy in Washington, getting a receipt that. this ‘evidence Be oe ial Ce . < '8 | was put in the National Archives. © and that eventually © é 19 | when the FBI returned, and other’ people. investigating S29 | Lo 7 an 1 . u linked Oswald and Ruby, this evidence completely | disappeared. ‘ 'So systematically over the years, many people. i | | the assassination finding out about this. evidence, | . | aa. | | ! j | | | investigating the National Archives have found that ALDCERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. |. Docld:32252529 Page 171 -
170 y if . Lo { ee Fe ote Se || there is evidence that. has been systematically lost i that I have turned over in the past, which they have . 2) or stolen or destroyed. But there, is ‘record. that. | a] this evidenéé was thére. | a of ‘i ~ Mr. Triplett: I understand what you're saying, ; 3 5 Mr. Sturgis, what you related. Now ‘the basic | oo : 3 6 | evidence which has been discussed in virtually | z 7 | hundreds of books to date, and which 48 used for-- | S. a the premise of at least half a dozen theories cn who. | cs 9 | was or may have been involved, and I still don't a a | . = 10. | understand the connection: you use to put this evidence, | é i | to say okay, that indicates to me, Frank Sturgis, | . e i2 | that there was involvement of Cuban Intelligence as | 13 | opposed to any of a’ half-dozen’ other. potential groups. | _ ake a think my question is, is there anything P £1 | specific that indicates to you, above and beyond what . : | we already have in the books, that yes, Cuban Intelligence : | was involved as opposed to other possible -- well, r'1l BS —_ 7 . , , - : | admit I am asking you to speculate. | al. ; “the Witness. only what I have turned over to | < ® | the Government in the past. Inforniation and documents La RE [ana which is on record. That is the only thing I can go; | PY | | Mr. Triplett. All right. There are just a oa 2§ H 7 an — ; Co | |) Few more names that I. want to ask you about to see if | | cs Ng the | 2 | ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING.” Docld: 32252529 Page 172
| you have any knowledge of them or had any. associations Are you familiar with a Rich Lauchli, spelled | L-a-u-c-h-1-i? a vo with them.. The Witness. Yes. ° \ Mr. Triplett. When..and how did you first meet 2n02" (202) SSH~2345 — him? eo ‘The Witness. I do not ‘know how I met him, but ¢ 9% rt know at.one time another friend of mine who has — a ae . . ; ; . . i. . a ; a oe oo : z= 10 i been a newspaper man -- his name‘is’ Yamas Montez a | (phonetic)..+- Yamas Montez is a person who was in a 4 oe ; . . _ . = 42 i close contact with General Wesson in the Dominican g 13 i Republic, but™I won't go into that because it has’. | wo i nothing. to do with this. £ ot “Mr. Triplett. Your association with Rich -~. a i! . ne Pore Ts \ " ‘ ; , t | Lauchli. S.W, to Rich Lauchli. I think it was in Chicago. He had a farm, or at his home; or something in: Chicago, 300 7TH STREET, ot The Witness. And him and I took a trip over. where we bought a number. of equipment from him. And | hé belonged to. an organization. - I'm: trying to remember || | the name of the organization. The 'itinute Men |) organization.’ “And somehow: we, found, out, because *l evidently they must have sent people into this area | here. ‘And it is ‘possible ‘that. I met. him down here in “i Oo sO ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. Docld:32252529 Page 173 ©
a i | | | | | 3 | 7 | + | a. | a si rar =| a "| ba “a0 2 16 S | gS 4. | a tj a x. => 12, ed a 13 | = Ta | S. } a & i§ So a. fe e 14 “a 300 7TH STREET, Docld:32252529 Page 174 © ‘ ‘from him. From this Richard Lauchli. And after you were talking about? ago, and I do not recall. $i Sis ee SE this area here, trying to go ahead and-sell the Cuban revolutionaries guns and equipment that we would need to fight against Castro. Now I do not know how I met this man, but I did meet the man and I did go get some minor equipment that I never had any more contact with him. Mr. Triplett. “That was during the early 1960's. The Withess.:!.Yes.° Mr. Triplett. Did you ever have’ an occasion’ to meet a Mitch’ Warbeil?- | - | | The Witness.’ I do not recall ever personally. meeting Mitch Warbell, but t have spoken. with Mitch | Warbell. ‘And Mitch Warbell says he knew me 15 years Mr. rriplett. Well, if you spoke with him, sometime’ or another you met him. Correct? 7 | | “the witness. Well, not personally, Over the telephones: 7 , ; Mr. Triplett. 1 see. The Witness. I don't ever recall meeting the man personally. : oe Mr, Triplett. Are you familiar with a man- named Bernardo DiToros (phonetic) ? “ ALDOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
© 4 * 3S ‘ : * i x 4 . 4, ” : a! oF . oe 4 a. ae . Sato. Fo tg OO} | OO coe en ae _ 173 ‘The Witness. No. I do,“not recall the name. How do you pronounce that name again? as ye de Mr.. Triplett.’ DiToros? at The Withess.. No. | oe Mr. Triplett. How about-a man named Doug. | Gupton (phonetic)? Mr.. Triplett.. David Phillips? D.C. 20024 (202) $54-2345 a | _° The Witness. No.» The Witness. He is another: son-of-a-bitch. | Mr. Triplett. Did you ever have any. Chief of. Western: Hemisphere Division, CIA. ‘The Witness. I honestly: do not know: whether - I.met him at the Embassy in Havana. But. he was © REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, oO | ooecenca ox the Embassy in-Havana. And-if he ‘was stationed there, which supposedly. he was when I was W, there, he is nothing but a pro-communist bastard. You. will have to excuse my language, but this is’. 300 7TH STREET, S what I think of people. I am-so strongly anti- ... communist and so strongly anti-Castro, that these — are the type of people that made a lot of my ftiends { | | i | | | { | | H | association with him at any time? — Leet | | | | | t | | | | ! | | | | | | | a . oe a | get killed in Cuba for nothing. . ge a wv.  ,Mr. Triplett. But’ to the best of your recollection oy at this point, you do not recall any meetings :with him? | I { i i i i 2s TheeWitness.- With-Phillips? No. _ Docld:32252529 Page 175. Rd bag TF BO Fe ste OF ms po wa. 4,
, | : 174 | ; . | «Mr. Triplett. All right. | : Have you ever met with John Martino? a - The Witness. Yes, sir. 4] Mr. Triplett. When and where have you met with 5 s | him? ER 3 6 | The Witness. In Havana, Cuba. . 5 7| Mr. Triplett. “nd would you please relate what Ba occurred at that meeting, or, those meetings? | J 9 | . The Witness. Well, he catie to meet me because a ' ; . . : . : . : z 10 | he heard about me being with the Castro forces and z ll | he introduced himself to me and that was it, really. a oa. Oo . : = . ; aare Then I think he got in some trouble in Havana. 3 i . . : , 5 13 | And the reason why he got in trouble in Havana was = ae oo : + | bec he was black marketing, selling Cuban money. : 1s Buying and selling Cuban money. ‘That is why he was us| arrested. 4 7 | oe And that is all I know about Martino except eo. . ae = 8 ne came to the United States and I believe he did come w . : ‘ : . . : ; EB over to my house at 60th Court at another time and. $ | 80 forth. That is the only thing I remember. | Se Mr. Triplett. What happened when he came to | pe 22 jos house? | aa ‘The Witness. I don't know. 1 gaia I believe ey that he probably came over to my house. Because I Bo nad a tot of people come over to see Pedro and myself. : ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. Docld: 3227525279 Page 176 | ~ ‘ : ’
175 My home on 60th Court was like, you know, the |. Lo “headquarters for our organization. ——————— SST in Cuba. You said you met with him? “. Mr. Triplett. Okay. John Martino got i arrested al wo . a — ne a | The Witness. He met me’ in Cuba. Under what’ | | circumstances I forget really, where I first met Martino Fin cae 202" (202) S5N-2345 8 ps Mr. Triplett. . You-do not recall any purpose 9) for meeting with him? | | | The Witness. (NO. -He came ‘to meet sie: “There is al lot, of ‘people ‘that came’. ‘to Cuba wanted to meet me because 1 was ‘one of several Americans who were with “the castro Gorilla Forces. | | 4 the purpose? Why he came to. meet you? REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. { r o> Mr, Triplett.- Okay. But. you. do not recall { ‘The Witness. ‘No. Not really. He: just wanted ML Mr. Triplett. Have you ever had: any’ association with Opus Dei? 300 7TH STREET, .S, “to-mest me. I do not recall the purpose. “No. The witness. © ‘No, Not that I fecall. I don't a cr “know ‘the man.. + . : ’ Eo po Mr. metpiete, "nave you ever béen invoived in i afi assassination: attempt on, Fidel’Castro in. company 2 SSS DO eg ee ee OR | | with Lionel Gomez? ~- fo | et 7 . The Witness. I know Lionel Gomez. Myself persona A Fs oo i ee . | ab - ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. - . 4 Doeld:32252529 Page 177°:
176 7 no. An assassination attempt with him? No. 2 : Mr. Triplett. , “Have you ever planned an. 3 assassination with him? | 4 The Witness. ‘He discussed it with me, you know, = £1 aid all that. : ot | a é" -- Again, you can talk about something and unless = 7h you have got the ‘funding, you can't do nothing. - FS 8 | Mr. Triplett, Okay. So he discussed it with uo 9 If. you and so.you discussed it with him, ‘right? — a ou ; Zz 19) The Witness. Well, he discussed it with me. 2 1 I’told.him to forget About it. “No possible way. = -" oe ; eee | a 12 Mr. Triplett. - Have you ever been involved in eo | . . 25 Id any operations with Joe Rabell? Ss — SO in _ Tem “The Witness. I don't. know Joe Rabell. 38 Is Mr. Triplett. You never met a Joe Rakell? — = is * “The Witness. ‘Unless he come under a different ‘ 7 name. No Joe: Rabell. | : is : Mr. Triplett. ‘Have you éver had any associations = 9 _with Cliff Childress (phonetic)? | | 3 to “the Witness; I don't think’ I know him. ‘The Seem'| |. name is not familiar. | | . | | ik 2 So. or. Triplett. How about: Norman Diez (phonetic)? a “The Witness. ‘That hame is not familiar.” | a Mr. Triplett... Now, you already clarified your response to the alleg tions of Marita Lorenz. ALDERSON. REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 32252529 Page 178
S.W. Docld: 32252529. REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. 2002" (202) $54-234S 300 7TH STREET, ta a (Of the Jerry Patrick group. of many Americans. “organization? . =." woman's house and-so forth. - : for you to be ‘with -b t “ ty 1 F “ ” ~ . & The Witness. Yes. - : Mr. Triplett.” At anytime, to your knowledge, prior to the assassination of President Kennedy, did you ever have any contact with Lee Harvey Oswald or > ‘have any knowledge of his attempting to contact you Paes OY your organization2 “The Witness. Well, before the assassination | of the President of the United States -- this’is. we, “Te where the confusion comes in because Jerry Bucanhan . told me -- Jerry Bucanhan, how I met him was..] Canadians that’ was in this area. “Mr. Triplett. |The Jerry: Patrick grou so “The Witness. Well, the group before he had’ Interpen. There was a group of Americans that jivea Me . _ : oS Rete 8 of 17th. Avenue in some woman's house, a’nice*~’ 7 a et i And Jerry Patrick was -- I mean rather;. erry Bu¢Ganhan was part of.this group with. the Masferer. people. And Jerry Bucanhan seemed to be a real nice | kia. He was a young’kid. And I used to tell him, _ look, Rolando Masferer is hot the type of people... if this man ever..goes..to Page 179