. / 1-73 | | | man who brought me the conversation took the reel to the | on | transcriber, or whether Herb Minell did, but normally, one | . 4! or the other would carry the reel out to the Russian trans-~ | ! Eh 4 | criber. - . | 7 . 5 | Mr. Goldsmith, So, when you say that this information | ‘| first came to your. attention a day or two after the conversa- | | S 7 tion was made -- | x 3 | Ms, Goodpasture,. Right. S ; . Mr. Goldsmith. Are you saying that you received the | : ‘0 | conversation in its original form in. Russian? . ! : 7 Ms. Goodpastire No, sIereceived a transcript. | 3 3 | Mr, Goldsmith. Did the transcript “— | Ga 13 ‘ Ms. Goodpasture. | Which said there was a call made. It | z. | was a Spanish transcript and in Spanish, it said there was a | : 13 | call being made by a man who was trying to speak. Russian and | : 1s | gave the name Oswald, I beIieve. I do not happen to have a : a Ae copy, but you should have a copy of it, | : “| Mr, Goldsmith. This transcript was taken to Mr. Tara~ ! : 13 | soff? ; | ~ i . i = : Ms, Goodpasture, Right. . . 4 a 7 | “Mr. Goldsmith, When was the first time you actually : saw the Russian. translation®’of the conversation? Ms. Goodpasture, Pardon me? oo . | Mr. Goldsmith, When was the first time that. you actually saw the conversation after it had been translated from Russian 001215 ALSERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 75
1-74 into English? “Ms. Goodpasture.. Probably when I got a file copy back a from Herb Minnel, within.a few days after-this, but I do not : B * | know the exact date. right off. | | 3 i , “Mr. Goldsmith, What was your response at that point, ; i 2 6 if any? g ni Ms. Goodpasture. A cabie was sent to Headquarters S 5 by Mrs3 Minell. : 7 Mr. Goldsmith. Did you direct Mrs. Minell to send a | : ia ‘cable to headquarters? | : n | Ms. Goodpasture.: No, I did not, because Mr. Minell was | z 2) omy superior. He would have been directed by the Chief -- I | @ . : W3 say he was my superior. He outranked me in grade.. : | . = eo Mr. Goldsmith. Who.sent the cable, Mr, or Mrs. winell? : | Ms. Goodpasture. His wife, but he had his own section | : 1s | and he had a separate section from the one I was in. We did : “ 7 not direct. each other. We might have suggested it, but he : 8 | took. his orders from the Chief of. Station. | a = ea Mr. Goldsmith. Did you suggest to Mrs, MineT1-- | | 5 ca | Ms, Goodpasturé, I.do not remember whether I. did or | | not. “I may have. | oo . ! Mr. Goldsmith. Did you, or anyone else, check the | transcripts. that were obtained from the Soviet Embassy from ' September 28th? we Lae | “Ms. Goodpasture. I do not think I checked them at. that | oe 001216 i ; HW 450955 Docld: 32277924 Page 76 ALDERSOM REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
| time. | e 2 ‘Mr. Goldsmith, The significance of the question. is.as- | a | follows. Drawing your attention to the third line after the | | 7 | 6 | number 151, it says: "Hello. This is Lee Oswald speaking. : 3 S| I was at your place last Saturday." H it . : 2 5 | Well, October 1, 1963 was a Tuesday, the 28th was a =~ | & | Saturday. I am wondering whether anyone went back to check : 7 onthe transcripts of telephone conversations.on that day or | . a the photo=production materials for that day? | z 10 Ms .. Goodpasture.: Thesonly.indication. of the name was | = 1 | eon the telephone transcripts. | (i : 13 Ms . Goodpasture. On that day. That was when we first | = . found out that he was there. | = is Mr. Goldsmith. on October lst, you found out that | . Is | oswaia Rad been at the Russian Embassy the preceding Saturday. 7 " Was any effort made to check your materials. from the surveil~ | e | lance operation, the photographic surveillance operation, or | é 1 | from the telephonic surveillance operation to get additional | = 20 | information. on this? | : ce : Ms. Goodpasture, I do not know whether I checked it , ag ee immediately or not at this stage. I do. know that they were 5 AN AS s ba checked thoroughly after the assassination, In fact, I a 24 | : | O°1247 ae ALDESSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 77 think they were checked thoroughly after the information came | back from Washington identifying a Lee Oswald, The files were|
. —  1nT6 checked at that time to find out if we had any record of a da ww person named Lee or a person named Oswald. i Mr. Goldsmith. Fine. Let's stay=to this time’ period for. a moment, however. ass Would it have not been standard operating procedure if the transcript refers to a. person who appeared at the Embassy | sa a few days earlier, would it not have been standard operating 2002% (202) $54-2945 3 procedure for eithersyou or someone else in the Mexico City J 4} station to check. your records from that earlier day, Septenber c = 10) 28th, to see if, in fact, you had a photograph of this person = lor another tape recording of his voice?- : = 12 “Ms, Goodpasture, I think that. it would have been stan- | Ga g 13 ! dard practice to have done a file check on hin. | : a Mr, Goldsmith. Is the answer to my question yes? | : at Ms. Goodpasture.. -To. check the record files to see if = < | we have a recora of that. name previously, but to check bask | : "| on the transcripts, I didinot process the transcripts from. | : 3) the Soviet Embassy as such. Whether Mr. Minell or Mrs. Minell tf : ] eS went back and reviewed those again at that time, I do not | = 3 | know. | | | ' . . | —— 2 Mr. Goldsmith. The text of this. conversation includes, | Se ; /X TA in brackets, what. apparently is.an insertion by the transla- tor. He says the same person who phoned a day or so ago and ! spoke in broken Russian. a 24 ho bey In light of that ‘statesient by the translator, in light ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 76
ihe) ab w a od t ve) : wt 8 -~ ~ , e ~ ow / = . ~ - o 3 c ow . a a ’ corns S al <3 = ! = | a > = 12 $4 a te ~ = ta “ cme : = 13 2 a = %é > “VW ~ . ~ on = 1S = i ~ o S 4 te) 20 2 = aps ar Pees a 24 aan have checked? | . 1-77 .of that. statement by the person who identifies himself as | : t Oswald that he, Oswald, had been there Saturday and the trans- | lator was saying that this person had phoned a day or So ago, would it. not have been standard operating procedure to | i | Ms, Goodpasture, Yes, I think it would have. Mr. Goldsmith, The photo materials. and the wiretap | materials? | Ms. Goodpasture, Right, Also, it would have been done | automatically in the base by the Mexicans. | ! . i Mr. Goldsmith. Fine. At that time, was any photograph found of Lee Harvey | Oswald? | | | “Ms, Goodpasture. The only photograph that was located - no, not of Oswald. We had no photograph of him. H 1 \ | { | : Mr. Goldsmith. At thatictime, were you able to locate the earlier tape recording containing a conversation involving) ng: i. this. same individual? Ms, Goodpasture. I did net, but I: do not know if the Minell's put. those taperecordings or not at that time. I assume that they probably did, I know that they were put together in November, | Se | Mr. Goldsmith. I would now like you to refer to pages 2 and 3 in Stack B, and I ask you if you can identify what these materials are. 001212
_ i sd oo 1 Ms. Goodpasture, Page 2? 2 Mr, Goldsmith. Page 2 ‘and 3 of the materials contained 2 in. Stack B, 2 ana 3, the next two pages. & 4 | . Ms. Goodpasture. Yes. | 5 5 | | Mr. Goldsmith. Can. you identify these materials? | 5 5 |  . Ms. Goodpasture, Yes. ‘They also appear to be copies | : 74 of portions. of the transcripts, | | é 3 | Mr, Goldsmith, On what date was this conversation : 9 transcribed? [I withdraw: thats question. .Let me rephrase it ’ : 10 please.. | oe . . : : iz a On what: date, according to this document, did this - | w i = 12 conversation take place? . | . 34 ! a r td - 13) Ms. Goodpasture, 28 September 1963. | = i : Mr. Goldsmith. What was the telephone that was the | : la source of this conversation? | = 1g Ms. Goodpasture,. ‘The Soviet. Embassy. The conversation | 4 7 | was: recorded on the Soviet. Embassy telephone, Tt came in. | | : 8 from a woman from the consulate, the Cuban consulate. . : 9 ! Mr. Goldsmith. Drawing your attention to the number 208 = 20 | in the middle of the page; on the line adjacent to that . at ne number, it says, fplease see that the Spanish transcription, : @ ed 22 it says wo.” . Does that stand for woman outside? | 3 : Ms. Goodpasture. That was written by Tarasoff, | <> * | Mr. Goldsmith, Right . That would indicate woman out~ ! 7: side? Telephone call from a woman outside? 0 0 122 6 : : aie HWY 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 30 —
1-79 Ms. Goodpasture, Yes. When. he prepared the transcripts, by io a) “he prepared them on a’ separate sheet of paper and he put ‘them | a in there so that the person would tie it in with the Spanish a 7 He transcript, and what they have done here is they cut off i . the top of the page, the transcript that Tarasoff did, and ‘pasted it to the Spanish transcripts, ‘Mr. Goldsmith. Have you seen this particular document, or a copy of it, before? Ou ~~ C, 2002% €202) S5%-2345 MS . Goodpasture. Yes, my name is on it. Mr. Goldsmith, Yoursname appears in the upper right- ft ran) Oo hand portion? VASHTNGTON , Ms.. Goodpasture. Yes. Mr. Goldsmith, When was the first time that you saw either this particular document, or a copy of it? me Ms... Goodpasture,.. Within a. couplecof days after it aay was transcribed, HW. REPOSTERS SUTLDING, Mr. Goldsmith. What action, if any, did you:take ‘in eIT | 1 : response to seeing this particular document? : 1S Ms, Goodpasture. I: do not think I. took any. I think : 20 Minell was the one who would have taken the action on this{ . 1 | Mr. Goldsmith; At thé time that you received the © “ES 33 ! transcript. containing the conversation of October Ist, do 14 you. recall ‘this earlier transcription of the conversation? o 24 i Us: Goodpasture. Noy T do not think I did, because I 15 did not read all of these transcripts. When I brought them — ce pO 001224 ie ag openers af R™NG Cos NY, (NC. HW 50955 DocId:32277224 Page 81 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC
1-80 in, I passed them out, and the one on the 28th of September rey | { vs | would have gone automatically to Mr. Minell. The one on dae 1 October, unless it was very unusual. or my attention would fe have béen called to it, I would not have been doing an 2 5 | analysis of them. | 4 5 | Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know whether the Minells: linked | g ae the two conversations together? _ | :’ . & ae Ms . Goodpasture, I do not. know. wu ot | g 3 Mr. Goldsmith. Did you or the Minell's. check the. | : ; photo production. materials after seeing this particular. | : nl conversation? | $ 2 Ms, Goodpasture. After: seeing the name Lee Oswald, I @ = 13 think that the photo production materfals for that day had : | not Been received, as. I recall, and a note was given tol_] : eT #e.se out and pick up the film for this period and : 18 | bring it in. The transcripts were usually received before | ps | & | : a, | : “| Mr. Goldsmith, At such timethat thephotographs were = 1% | received, did you or anyone else go to check the photoproduc~ | = on materials to seé if you could identify the individual? eee Ms, Goodpasture. Yes, a an : : | ya | Mr, Goldsmith. Do you recall when. that happened? e is | Ms.. Goodpasture... Yes. ‘As I: remember, we were waiting ino ¥ | for that material to.come in, and. when. it came in, we looked at it together and decided that there was one man who was not O01222 hans . SLOERSON RESORTING COMPANY. INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 82 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPAN c
7 | -a Latin, | Hl | | Mr. Goldsmith. This conversation came in at approxi- | | mately 11:51 a.m, is that correct, on. September 28th? | ® 3 Ms. Goodpasture, This conversation was recordéd at | 5 1151 hours on the 28th. ‘The 28th was on a Saturday. We ! i 2 3 | would have gotten it probably on Monday, following the 28th. = ‘ ‘Then it would have gone out to Mr. Tarasoff who would | 3 at have made.a trnaslation from the Russian. 3 | Mri Goldsmith, You said that you waited to receive the 2 yo : = of photographs and, upon receiving the photographs of production, z | you checked these materials, is that correct? 5 2 Ms. Goodpasture. “That is right. | | ay 5 "3 wre Goldsmith... Upon: checking the photograph. of produc- | ; a tidn from September 28th, did you find a photograph of Lee © | : 1s) Harvey Oswald? | ! “ ts Ms. Goodpasture, No, | “ a a Mr, Goldsmith.’ Did you find a. photograph of some other | : 8 North American appearing male? : = | | Ms Goodpasture, We féund a photograph of a non-Latin, — 5 | a nan who appeared to. be a non=Latin, | . see Mr. Goldsmith. That photograph was: taken on. September | > ad ® 28, 1963, In other words, these are the production materials | a you were checking? | © x ! Ms. Goodpasture. There were three sets; He appeared a on the 28th, I believe, and on the 2ndond.. I am not sure.it : 7 001223 ENSON BESORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 DocId:32277224 Page 83 ALS
1-82 | | is in the logs, the date that- the man appeared there. | wp 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. | Now, Saturday, September 28th, ‘drawing : | your attention to that day, would that have been a day when | ; -the Embassy, either the Cuban Embassy or Russian nmbassy, | z 5 | would-have beencopen? | 2 =) | Ms. Goodpasture. Not to the public, I do not think, / = 7 | but somebody: could have gone there and rung the doorbell and | : 7 may have. been. received by the guard on duty. | | uF ‘ Mr. Goldsmith. Saturday was not really a working day, | S zg T° is that correct? | | | Z i - Ms». Goodpasture. No. | 7 : i Mr. Goldsmith. I am a bit confused, now. Earlier in | | 7 @ = 13 your téstimony I recall your. indicating that the photo-surveilt - = 4 lance operation was coordinated with the working hours of the | : 1g embassies. Here we have ‘a situation where the embassies were : = 18 not working. “ iv Ms. Goodpasture,’. I think the photograph was the 27th, | : e not the 28th. I made a mistake. | : = 9 | Mx. Goldsmith. If I. may finish, here we have a situation = 20 \ where the photograph was. taken on the 28th. This was a | ee : Saturday. ‘Tf the photograph were taken on the 28th then , in | qa pal 2 fact ; the photio~surveillanceoperation was in effect on a : mS Saturday » which was a. non-working day for the Cuban and | © - Soviet embassies, is that correct? | | | 33 Ms. Goodpasture, TE the photograph was made on the 28th 001224 © NW 40955 pocta:s2sr7004 Page 84 ALOEERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING.
nm | | ( | it was not a working day, a Saturday. But the photo base houses were places where people lived and if they saw some- Gab thing that. they thought was unusual, they could make a pic- ture anytime they wanted to and send it in. But they were da Z § | normally required to be on duty during the times when the : 7 Embassy had working hours, g. "| Does. that explain it? - S 2 Mr. Goldsmith. That may explain it in part.. I think : ¢ | we should pursue this just a bit. fond j . z 10 | The photograph that you found of a person going to one : | of these embasstes was taken on September 28th, is that | : 7 correct? _ | | | 2 13 oo Ms. Goodpasture. I would have to look at them to | see, Right now I am a little confused about that myself, ~ ! because this man appeared there several times, but we have P REPORTERS BUTELDING, i] 13 iF copies of those and the dates on them. I do not know if they t “ i7 | ave here of not, but I went through the files that we had to | = ‘8 | put those dates on, a i ; E19 | Mr. Goldsmith. I am afraid that none of the materials ~ | a 7 that. pouraria: -I reviewed yesterday pertained to Septembex 2th | | . sec) | or even September 27th, so T am unable to show you any: produc=; © ya + | tion materials: for those two days, a0 Ms. Goodpasture, It was not the 28th, They are not | © 2s | here. I guess, it was on the 2nd of October that he appeared 23 | . | “i the first time, — 081225 . : _. . ALSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. HW 50955 DocId:32277224 Page 85 Ann SiS meee
Wa dae telephone call came from a woman from the Cuban Embassy, but 1-84 1 | . Mr. Goldsmith. ‘You-are saying. now that you are not | 2 | gure whether you found. the photograph of “September 28th? | 3 Ms. Goodpasture. ‘I do not have them here, but I did 4 get all the photographs of that man, together with the dates 3 5 on them, which IT think you have : When Tf. was ‘looking here. on 5 é | this 28th transcript , tT said 28th ‘and what I was “thinking . g 7 was. that when we checked the photographs for the days around = 2 | the time of the call, we found the photograph, but I do not. e ; $ | know what day it was now, ‘right off the top of my head. : 10 | / Mr. Goldsmith. : Did you find a photograph of just one > : n person who appeared to be North American in appearance? s 1 Ms. Goodpasture. That is right . | | G = 13 Mr.. Goldsmith.. How many days’ photographic surveillance a 5 i coverage did you review? | - . 2 13 | Ms Goodpasture. . How many: days? - : = 18 | | Mr, Goldsmith, Right: | 7 7 \ Ms. Goodpasture. They were the same days that were | 2 13 : mentioned in the. transcripts, | z 13 | Mr. Goldsmith. Four or five days? Would that. be a | = ra | fair. estimate? | | | Ke : ; Ms. Goodpasture. Right. | : Ga pa 22 Mr,.. Goldsmith, I notice Mr, SHaw's. name on this, on 23 the top of the page, page 2 . “Why would his name be up there? i> 34 Ms, Goodpasture.. His name would be on Here because the | 309! ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 322777294 Page 86 ALDERSON REPOR BS COMPS
1-85 he was responsible for the Cuban Embassy coverage. ho The first line of. that. says woman from the consulate, Cuban. Embassy. Mr. Goldsmith. Why did this particular document go to | a 5 5 Shaw rather than to. Dave Phillips? . | : ‘| Ms. Goodpasture. “Because Shaw had handled most of the | g 7 | routine work and I think he was the one who read all of the 3 5 | transcripts, But to. be perfectly exact about it, I. am not . | : 7 too sure: I suppose Dave Phillips did not have time to read | : 0 | the transcripts: and Shaw was the one who reviewed then, : : / Mr. Goldsmith. Is it possible in fact that the photo- | S. 2 | graph that you found was thesphotograph that was taken on. | a : 13 | September. 2sth, 19637 2 a | Ms, Goodpasture. To. answer your question we would have | ; F to check the log because the log has thé date of the photo- | : ‘1g | graphs and a copy of the photograph. attached to it. 4 7 Mr. Goldsmith; In any event, with regarato the conver= : ig sation of October lst and. the: conversation of October 28th; | : 17 || these came to your attention right around that time period as | S Zo | oppased to some time after the assassination, is that correct?! | Ms. Goodpasture,. The conversations that had the name © in. it, Lee Oswald,. came to my attention right after the | 23 conversation occurred, | a 2 | Mr, Goldsmith, The conversation of the 28th, when did | 25 that first come to your attention? — 2 ee 001227 Ww 50955 pocta:3ogr 7004 Page 87 . ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. |
1-86 | i | Ms., Goodpasture,. I do not. recall -seeing it until after) si 4 : the assassination.. 3 Mr. Goldsmith, However, was your testimony éatlier' to the effect: that upon receiving the conversation reflected on an E 3 | page 2, the September 28th, 1963 conversation, and after it 5 é was made, to locate a picture of the person who was going to g 7 | the Russian. Embassy, you did indicate that, did you not?, . = 8 i Ms ;: Goodpasture : Well, this conversation may have S 5 heen. tied into the Oswald conversation by the Russian trans- _ A. | . ; - 10 | ‘criber because he did both of them about thé same time. There was only one day's difference, It is logical WASH TUGTON , il 19 | te assume that He would have. recognized the voice, and we t a : 13 | probably had Both transcripts at the same time looking for a = 14 i man when. we were examining the photographs. | : ts Mr. Goldsmith, This, in all likelincod, would have : 13 “been brought. to your attention, 7 | Ms, Goodpasture. When? — Z 13 Mr. Goldsmith, Shortly after September 28th? _ . 19 : Ms. Goodpasture, Right. lf it was. with the Lee Oswald | = 20] one. | | . xe Mr. Goldsmith ,. Do you recall personally screening the @ fal 22 photo. production materials to try to locate a photograph. of 23 | Oswald, or the person who identified himself as Oswald? | & 2 Ms, Goodpasture. Yess. I think almost everyone in the 25 station looked at those photographs after the assassination, 001228 SRSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 98 ARGS:
1-87 1 | but Mr, Minell and I looked at them after, his. wife and I | 2 | examined them after the Oswald name first appeared. | 3 | Mr, Goldsmith. In fact, this conversation aia come © : 4 : _ to your attention well before the assassination? 2 . Ms. Goodpasture. Yes . | : p MY. Goldsmith, Was: there anything, in your opinion ’ g 5 H _ unusual about Oswald's being at the Cuban Embassy on a | z 3 | Saturday? | . | i 5 Ms. Goodpasture, ‘I do not think that ‘the. Cuban Embassy : 1G , connection was tied in until afterwards, I. do not know, | S | : oy | There were two calls on the 27th to the Cuban Embassy, | g 19 Mr. Goldsmith ; I will rephrase? the questioni It is | a g ake apparently that, on Septenber 28, 1963, Oswald, accarding to : : tg this conversation, was at the Cuban Embassy. : That is where | : 1s the ‘conversation was made. from, so at that. day he was at the | : 1é : Cuban Embassy. You indicated that that. would not have been | = 7 | a working day for the Cuban. Embassy, is that correct? | | = tg Ms. Goodpasture.. The. photo-surveillance, you mean? | : 19 | Mr. Goldsmith, Saturday would not. have. beer a working | = 10 | ‘day for the Cuban Embassy, | | — 7 Ms. Goodpasture; Thateis. right. . | a BS 32 Mr. Goldsmith. Was there anything unusual about | 23 Oswald's. Being at the Cuban Embassy on a day. that was not a | a) 24 i working day? | . : as Ms Goodpasture,. No, because foreigners were going to. : a | | 001229 : HW 50955 Docld:322977294 Page 89 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPSNY, INC
1+88 \ : both: places and ringing the door bell and the gate-keeper | 2 | frequently let them in on days. other than. working days. | 2 | Mr, Goldsmith. f it is true that foreigners were | | 7 frequently visiting the embassies on days other than working | z | days, then why wag the photo-surveillance operation confined : é | to working days? | g 7 Ms. Goodpasture. Because the people could not work | | 7 5 around the clock. They had to havessome time off. - One of : ai the photographers, as T recall, was part-time student, or < | Le z 10 something, but it was not possible to have that thing going | : " | all the time. | 12 I think later maybe it set up a mechanical type suryell= S 13 lance that xan continuously. | 2 ie Mr. Goldsmith, However, there were three different | | E is camera. sites? | | = oe Ms. Goodpasture. They did not all hit the same place. | 4 "7 7 Mr, Goldsmith. Is it not possible; despite staffing | z a problenis, that on Saturday and Sunday at least one of the | | z ‘| photo sites could have been maintained? | 5 20 | Ms. Goodpasture, Lt. could have been possible if we had | — a aa been working, tf our photograpliers had been American citizens ye “yl and staff agents, but we were working with Mexicans and not | 22) many of them worked on Sundays, normally, That was their day | @ “ | off, | % Mr... Goldsmith,: ' How about. Saturdays? (OGLE 36 : HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Fage 390
de a | Oa INOW (202) ShH-2345 so) D.C, VASHTHG TON , SoM. REPORTERS BULLBING, 490 7Ttit STREET, he 1-89 Ms. Goodpasture. I do not know. You would have to talk ta the case officer because it was determined that it just was not. feasible to use then on Saturdays -and Sundays. Mr. Goldsmith. Even though there were three different survebllance ‘bites? Ms. Goodpasture,. There were three different photo surveillances, but they all did not. cover the same spot. Mr, Goldsmith. “Even though. there were three different surveillance operations of each Embassy on non-working days, all three were shut down, is that. correct? Ms. Goodpasture. That is right, to the best of my | knowledge. | Mr. Goldsmith. I would like now. to refer: you to pages. 4 through 6 of the documents ‘contained in Stack B, Most of them are ‘in Spanish, I believe, There is a summary eransla- tion on page 6, The pages are identified in the lower righthand corner 1 of the page. Can you identify these documents? Ms Goodpasture. ‘Yes. They appear to be copies of it the transcripts, of portions of transcripts. Mr,. Goldsmith. What was the date of thé conversation | that was reflected in this transcript? | Ms, Goodpasture. The one on page 4 is dated 21 Septem- i ber 1963,.. Mr. Goldsmith, At what time did this conversation take 001231 i i i {
1-90 ; | |. place}? directing your attentionito page number 6. = 2 | - Ms. Goodpasture. About five minutes after 4:00. 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. ‘What was the source of this. conversa- ts | | | | | | tions | Ms. Goodpasture. The source was the liaison. The — | source? Mr, Goldsmith. Which telephone was being tapped? _ Ms, Goodpasture. The Soviet Embassy telephone. 20624 €202) S5N-23945 ~ 3 ce) Mr, Goldsmith. This was an incoming. call, is that . : ae correct? | : nf -  MSe Goodpasture.. It was an incoming call from the - 3 | Cuban. consulate. | © : 13 Mr, Goldsmith. On page 6, to the right of the numbers = | in. parentheses, 1605, it says, IN. ‘What does that stand for? | E | Ms. Goodpasture. 1605 is the hour the call occurred, E 1S Mr. Goldsmith, Right. IN, What dees that stand for? F iT Ms. Goodpasture. In, — Mr, Goldsmith. OV, what. does that stand for? © = is. Ms, Goodpasture. That would be the voice outside. - | . BO , 3 7 Mr. Goldsmith, Have you ever seen this document, or a’ ant copy of it, Before? | e ba? 22 Ms, Goodpasture, Seen what? 7 on Mr. Goldsmith. “Have you ever seen this document, ora 24 |. copy of it, before? 2 aa Ms. Goodpasture, I have seen what I think was a copy 001232 i i) 2 oO ul L -< 2 oO ' me etananiem ¢ ALDERSON REPORTS HW 50955 DocId:32277224 Page 92
2 4% 2 © ‘ 4 wt a} —_ - L = = § oe 4 wa ‘ w 8 =~ os , = - o~ / ad aq : = 3 Lond oe ars ¥ fot e . > nei 3 r ba i * = ? so = % = td ; 16 - = 1s roan ve = = 13 = “ 17 i ; Bag. I { & ive = 19 ~ as oe ”~ 5 29 21 sie eet Za es 2 Go, 47 & od, . ~ | © ~ a2 2s 1-91 of this document before, but this translation is a summary » not a translation, and when we reviewed this a year ago we determined that it was not correct and a new transcription was made. Mr. Goldsmith. Is it. true that. you determined that it was correct in substance, however it was not complete? Ms... Goodpasture. No. It gave the wrong impression in substance, > Mr,. Goldsmith. At. this time, I would like to draw your | attention to document B-1, which Is attached to Stack B, just two pages. Ms . Goodpasture. Yes, Mr. Goldsmith. There are two pages in document B-1, is that. correct? © | | Ms.. Goodpasture.« Right. Mr. Goldsmith. Does one of them contain a conversation from September 27, 1963 at 1605 hours? Ms. Goodpasture , Yes, | Mr. Goldsmith. Is that accurate? _ Ms .?G06dpasture, To the best of my knowledge, it is, Mr,. Goldsihith. An accurate summary of that convexsa- tion? | | Ms, Goodpasture. ves. Mr.. Goldsmith. You. have indicated that. you have seen this document before, I am not referring to Bol. I am going | , 001233 SON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
“Back to page 4 of document. B. 3 Ms, Goodpasture, ‘Page. 4? [oe] Mr..Goldsmith, There is: a .routingindication that - indicates that. you have seen this document before, is. that be . correct? Ms'. Goodpasture, Yes. , , | Mr.. Goldsmith. When was the first time that you.saw | m™! aa 20024 (2027) S5h-2305 ‘this dacument?. | ss) Ms. Goodpasture, Probably within a day after the p.c, 10 conversation occurred. Well, it would not have been the ‘day. SWOUHGTON | ec row) il after, This was on the 27th, It would have. been picked up | ore on the following Monday. Mr.. Goldsmith, What action, if any, was. taken in response? — Ms. Goodpasture, These were routed to the Minells, WO ORERORTERS QUTLETNG, 1s | Mr.. Goldsmith, When was the first time that this - | s 4 “I _ conversation was linked to Lee Harvey. Oswald? _ |. 28 Ms, Goodpasture. I do not know, . = 9 : Mr. Goldsmith. Let us turn to.pages. 7 and 8 of document - | — . | B, Can you identify this: document? | _ Ms. Goodpasture,. Yes. bn} oe | Ms... Goodpasture, It appears to be a copy of a part of a transcript, i in ‘ H : . : i Hn : ‘ \ i . i a : nm in Mr. Goldsmith. Dees. it reflect a telephone conversation ALCERSOM RESORTING COMPANY, INC.
hi 4 ~ @ : = wt = 7& roar we ~ t ve) P wa $ ~ ~ : Lord m 7 s . ~ o § Load ~ . a 4g 9 Fa . : = 10 on coo) Fa band = 1 a > = “ Lae - : ce praal — to oo tere = = Ta aN = Yale i 13 22 ad 2 roy Pa = : iS ~ = a“ i7 * ke . + id cs wn = 1? Pd ~ = a Ss. 2 ay we t that came in on September 27, 1963, at°4:26? ’ Ms, Goodpasture, This is a telephone conversation on - ed the Soviet Embassy line, different from the different telephone number and it is out to the Cuban Embassy from a man inside the Soviet Embassy making the call to Sylvia Duranda at the ' Cuban Embassy. Mr. Goldsmith. Have you ever seen this. document before? Ms Goodpasture, T have seen the original, yes. Mr. Goldsmith. When did you. see that for the first time? © | Ms» Goodpasture . -Probably with a couple of days after it occurred, | | Mr, Goldsmith. When wag thi's document linked to Lee . Harvey. Oswald? | Ms., Goodpasture. ‘I do not khow.. 'E think. after-.the -assassination,. — Mr, Goldsmith. How long were the CIA and Mexico City station's: tapes concerning Oswald's. conversations with Cuban and Soviet officials maintained? MS. Goodpasture. I think they were probably destroyed at the.same time that other tapes for that period were . destroyed, The translations concerning the part where he attempted to. speak in Russian, the tapes which were taken to Tarasoff may have. been retained a longer time or a shorter time, I do not know. 001235 f } { i i i | | ' 1 H t
1-94 | | : | | i Mr. Goldsmith, Why would they have been retained a longer © 2 time? Ms. Goodpasture « Well, occasionally he kept voice | te | | ‘samples, but: do not know if he kept one of this call, or | 3 5 | not. , | | | — “Mr. Goldsmith. At the time of the assassination, aia | 3 7 | » the Mexico. City station have on hand the ‘tapes of the Oswald | 5S 3 : conversations? | | : $ Ms, Goodpasture.. “Not to ny knowledge. | . 10 | Mr. Goldsmith. To your nowledge , was a voice comparison : 1 : ever made: between the tapes to detiexmine whether the same . 1 3 12 i person was speaking in each one? _ os ef | - - > = 13 Ms ,- Goodpasture. I. do not know, I did not make one. ) | z 14 | I do not know whether someone else made one or. not. There is | z 48 | a transcript, a cable here, in which the txansériber of the ! E 18 Soviet tape says that it is the same voice ; which would lead : ; 7 one tq helieve that he made a voice comparison, but it just | | : 3 may have been that he, from his: memory, came to. that conclu | = 20 , Mr. Goldsmith. I. would like to refer you now to Stack. | aa | Cc and, in: Stack ‘c , if you would kindly refer to pages57,00. : @ ed please. | Mss Goodpasture.. Page? | . & Mr . Goldsmith... Page: 57, : MS. Goodpasture; Yes, CO1236 | ALDERSON SEPSORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 96
i | | Mr. Goldsmith. On the lower righthand corner of the | newspaper article that is contained there, marked off with a | 7 dark line isa paragraph. Kindly read that paragraph, | | starting with the words, "The investigators." | = _ (Pause) | 3 ‘| Ms. Goodpasture. This would suggest ==. : | | Mr. Goldsmith. One moment . E q Ms. Goodpasture,’ ~~ Tarasoff compared the voices. on | : 7 -a tape of October. . 10 Mr. Goldsmith, Whose handwriting appears? © ! : 7 Ms; Goodpasture, That is mine, | 3 a Mr. Goldsmith. That is your handwriting? - | a z 13 | Ms, Goodpasture, . That is mine. . | By Mr, Goldsmith, That indicates that the caller -~ could | : 1s | you please read that to us, Baad what you wrote that day. : 3 i 7 Ms. Goodpasture, The. cakhler from the Cuban Embassy was ; : mal unidentified until headquarters sent traces on Oswald, Now, | - g | that would Rave been in answer to the cable that was dated | 2 ve | 60h ostoes. believe their cable was 18 October, and | = 20 voices: compared by was the pseudonyn | | meet! | teed by Tarasoff, | | | a “Be 2 Mx. Goldsmith, In fact, that indicates --._ | 23 | “Ms. Goodpasture. “He compared the Cuban Embassy: yoices e ze with the others, with Oswald's call, in which he used his) 23 | name, | arn : | 001237 | LOERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-96 1 | Mr. Goldsmith. When would that have happened? | . | 2 Ms. Goodpasture. I said 18 October because I thought | ow) that was the date of the cable, 10: October, = . Mz. Goldsmith. What happened to that tape containing | fan Oswald's voice? | Ms. Goodpasture, What happened? | Mr.. Goldsmith, What. happened to that tape, yes, Ms. Goodpasture. | I. do not Know. — 2024 (202) SS4~234u5 O° “ a Mr. Goldsmith.. Do those tapes exist today? | ¢ HN, O.¢, Ms. Goodpasture, What? Mr.. Goldsmith. Do those tapes exist today? G, MASUTHGTON Ms, Goodpasture, If they do, I do not know where. they are, AUTLBTNG ria Mr. Galdsmith, Are you aware of the fact that, after the assassination, it has been alleged that some tapes were | WO REPORTERS t i | té | given to the FBI to listen to and that It was said that these tapes: contained Oswald's. voice on them? i . - - . 1s Ms. Goodpasture, Someone asked me about that, but I do. | ¢ | not think that I had those tapes, I do not remember if I did, : my and I was not aware that we gave any to the FBI.. I. do not . | i pa et . ; . _ 2! 1 Know whether Mr. Minell got tapes from Mr. Taxrasoff and passed rs px 22 them to the PBI, or if the Chief of Station or Deputy passed | 23 anything to. the FBI. - ! 24 4 I just do not knows. 7 oe —_ 25 Mr,. Goldsmith... At any time, did anyone in the Mexico 2 : Sli eebactois fay _ e ; . 00 1 2 3 & ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 98
| 1 City station find any photographs showing Lee. Harvey 2 Oswald? 3 oo “Ms . coodpasture. "\Notutel-my: knowledge. a 4 Mr, Goldsmith. How many times. did Oswald visit the z 3 Cuban and Soviet embassies and consulates? : é Ms, : Goodpasture. We did. an analysis of the conversa g "| tions which indicated ; I think,’ five times. | S 3 . Mr,. Goldsmith. He visited the embassy and consulate : 5 \ approximately. five times? And even though he visited these — - 19 places. five times; the station's photosurveillance operations : i never took a picture of him, is that correct?._ 3 i2 Ms . Goodpasture. That is right. . © z 12 Mx.. Goldsmith. Is there any reason that you can give 3 id as to why the photosurveillance operation , having had five | : 1s shots: at Mr,. Oswald, nevertheless ++ = 13 7 Ms‘, Goodpasture.. “I could speculate, but I just assume 4 7 that he went there later in the day than they were still E 9 | Mr. Goldsmith, In effect, they wotild have had an = 20 | opportunity. ta get a picture of Mr. ‘Oswald, or the person who cS 3 said he was’ Mr, Oswald, when he went into the enbassy and ,. tunities to take pictures of Mr.. Oswald and yet there was no & yx % | when he went out of there, so really, there were ten oppor- & picture taken of him, Ms, Goodpasture. That is right. 0012398 ALTERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 39
1-98 | 1 Mr. Goldsmith.. Earlier, you indicated that Winston I aa 2, || Scott was a conscientious administrator, is that correct? . 2 Ms, Goodpasture.. “That is right. Mr. Goldsmith. Afterithe assassination, was he satis- fied with the performance of the photo~surveillance operation | dae ga — ee in regard to this particular matter? Mr, Goldsmith. Did you, or anyone else, find a picture | g 7) Ms. Goodpasture. Well, we still did not have the | x (8 | exact times that Oswald went to these places, the inferences = , si that he used and we could not prove that. one of our people : 10 | was sitting there, making photographs, and missed nim, | ¢ 7 ; Human error if the photograph station was working that | $ 12 he was missed. | a : 13 Mr. Goldsmith. Without intending to sound argumenta- = iH . z td | tive in any way, I would raise the question that needs: to be | : 7 raised, which is how effictent.is the photosurveillance | ! a is operation that has ten opportunities to take a picture of ! 4 7 | Someone and apparently. fails in each instance? : : | Ms. Goodpasture, I think the people that were handling : 19 | the photobase at that time sat dewn and tried to figure out | g why it happened. As I recall, they did not think it was ! | bereshiv. unueus : Kee terribly unusual. | : & pe 22 I think. the Cubans said their machinery was not. | nl functioning, and I think for the Soviets it was atca time | eo when they were not working, but I am not sure. : ad 2s | | if i | | 001246 ALDERSON REFSORTING COMPANY. INC.
ae Cee) i) tr ~ 202% €202) S5u-29N5 ° a } = ' - Zz fo! = ti = i 2 ‘ a | = ~ ? | ran a i = tat fast “i . = il a ! 22 i = 184 i) . if . | iva 8 Jan 7H STREET, S EE es /' rt. La ihe) dey HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page i101 tion, it still could have been pertinent that this man who 1-99 ef someone else who was at the embassies at the time when . Oswald was thought to have gone there? ae Ms, Goodpasture. Pardon.me? | Mx. Goldsmith., Did you or anybody else find a picture | of somebody who went to the Cuban or Soviet embassies at a | time when Oswald was thought to have gone there? | | | “Ms. Goodpasture,. No. We found a photograph of a man but later it was determined that he went there after Oswald had left. | Ms, Goldsmith, When you found this particular photo= _gxaph,. did you think that it pertained to. Oswald? | Ms. Goodpasture, We did not know, hecause at the time | that photograph was found, as I recall, we did not know that Oswald had already left there, It was not until after | . . the assassination that we had the dates of Oswald's - departure ‘from Mexico. . Up until. the assassination time: and after the assassina- was unidentified could have heen Oswald if he had been still | there the 15th. | : Mr. Gokdsmith:: But the agency or the Mexico City sta- ! tion never made a connection between this man and Oswald? | Ms «: Goodp asture. ‘Mo. | My.. Goldsmith. E have just handed you a document that. shows an individual,i The Background, the document contains. a | i
1-100 | copy of the photograph that was taken of an individual. | ; | | The background to.the document has been cropped out , is that | 2 | correct? - | Ms. Goodpasture. Yes. | 3 7 Mr, Gobdsmith. Is this the man whose picture was taken | 26 “leaving the Cuban or Soviet embassy? _ | | | : zi Ms. Goodpasture. Yes. S 3 | Mr.. Goldsmith. I would like now to refer you to Stack 3 | C, page 2, We have reviewed this particular document before, | : i¢ | Do you have it before you? | z a Ms . Goodpasture. ‘Yes. . a | . 3 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. We reviewed this document earliex today, | © : 12 have we not? . | : i Ms. Goodpasture. Right. “ i | — | Mr, Goldsmith, Drawing your attention to the first - | = 7 paragraph, it indicates, does it: not, on 1 October 63 an > | “ 7 American male speaking broken Russian made contact with the. | : 1 | Soviet embassy. ‘Is.that correct? | | = 9 Io . Ms ,Goodpasture. That is right. | S 20 | Mr, Goldsmith, In the second paxagraph, it. referstta a an photography does it not? oo | : rg fa a2 Ms, Goodpasture, Yes. — ; . 23 : Mr,. Goldsmith. Dees the second paragraph refer. to the | @ 24 photograph I have just given you? . a5 Ms Goodpasture.. “REght.. ae - 001242 . oo. ALRDERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 102
1-101 { i . i { : 1 \ if i | Mr, Goldsmith. Does it refer to the plotograph I have 1 | ! } oy just given you a copy of? ep a 3 | Ms. Goodpasture. Yes, Itcrefers to a photograph of = | ents mans I am not sure that these photographs were made. | Es 5] . Mr. Goldsmith. In fact, nine or ten photographs may | ' H . : A g | have been taken of this particular man? We do not know that | g 7H this was the particular one taken on that day, is. that correct’? é a Ms, Goodpasture, That is right. J 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. Why was the reference made in this 2 10 cable to a photograph taken on October 1, 1963? E tH | | i _ Ms. Goodpasture, It should have been. October 2. That | i } , , | | stcbes lst was the wrong date. I showed you the log yesterday | : : GASHT He -to show you how that error occurred, Mr. Goldsmith, At this point, let us look at the log. f. REPORTERS BUTLDING, ‘explain to the Committee why the cable referred to a photo- ad Vs In order to do that, you will have. to look at Stack A. It ' iS | is A-4, I believe it is marked Stack A-4. Do you have that | 4 17 | before you? Do you have the log before you? | 2 7 Ms, Goodpasture, Yes, : a E 7 | .. Mr, Goldsmith. Looking at the log, can you now | graph taken on October lst when. actually it was taken on & eh "4 \y S! ora “ WAS another day? . , ; ie) ia Ms. Goodpasture, If you look at the log here you see mw rh | eS ty /\ M9 | at the top -- it was just an oversight on the part of the i wD fa person who was writing that cable, It looks as though the i 7 001243 3 ALBERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 450955 Docla: 32277224 Page 103
1-102 Gate is 1 October, but if you read it very closely.you see | © a there are only two frames that were shot on 1 October and | aI 2 October, it: starts up with frame number 3, et. cetera, et ae a cetera, and there the shots occur. That is the only explana-| Es 5 tion I can give, | 3 ‘| Mr. ‘Goldsmith. Is your explanation that whomever | = 7 referred to the log simply looked at the date at the top of : S 3 | the page, the date béing October Ist, and did not see any o 9 | reference to<the date October 2nd? | c i i z 19 | Ms. Goodpasture. Right. | 5 | : a “Mr, Goldsmith. Getting back to the cable, what is the 2 I = 2 date of the cable? ag E 13 Ms. Goodpasture. 8 October. | : | Mr. Goldsmith, If the photograph was taken on October | E | 2nd, what was. the reason for the delay in transmitting this | & Is information to headquarters? . : “ 7 | Ms .. Goodpasture. It took about a week for processing, | : ta | ocr Two or three days. Someone had to go out and | = | get it and bring it in. : | = . Mr. Goldsmith. You indicated earlier in your testimony | KE that the photograph you, found was never linked to Oswald, yet Los paragraph 2 of this cable.is tied in to paragraph 1 which specifically refers to an American male who said his name was Oswald.. Does that not indicate that, in fact, the link was made? i — 01244 SON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-103 Ms.. Goodpasture, As I said, the link was made earlier. It did not relate to Oswald. That was hindsight. At the time tab Me) this cable was written, the person who wrote it thought it de. | could possibly have related. to Oswald. Mr, Goldsmith. I believe that my question earlier was . ba 7 clear, If you have a problem understanding my questions, | please tell.me. Are there any questions. at this time? 2NO24 (202) S54-29N5 Mr. Preyer. No. a we Pa 5 .. 9 Mr. Goldsmith. When did the inaccurate description of Seca wo ¢ | = i! Oswald contained in the first paragraph first come to your = i “3 i = yp | attention? . i ; . ao : 124 MS, Goodpastute, Page 3? | 2 ota | Mr, Goldsmith, Let us take a-look at page 3. Can you 2 | -£ .,3; | identify the cable that appears on page 3? S 3 Ms, Goodpasture, The description in paragraph 1 of ~ : aot | Oswald is different than the description in paragraph 2. - i z “a | Mr. Goldsmith, What is the cable that is found on page | = 13 | 3? - e 2 | Ms. Goodpasture. That is a cable from Washington 21 | headquarters sent to Mexico in reply to the Mexico cable to pee 2 headquarters, This is giving headquarters tracing on Oswald. BY he Mr. Goldsmithy..~ When was this cable sent? MS « Goodpasture.. When was it sent? : | 901245 ALTERSON RESORTING COMPANY, INC. 4 HW 350955 DBocld: 322772274 Page 1045 nerey eee
‘1-104 7 Mr. Goldsmith. Yes. , Ms. Goodpasture, The day that is on there is 10 Octobey , | 1963. | ao ae | Mr. Goldsmith. Is it your testimony, then, that based : 2 a upon the description of Oswald in. paragraph l of that cable | ; : it was realized that the photograph that had been taken on | i a «66 g | October 2nd in fact did not show Oswald? > | z : Ms. Goodpasture, It was realized that it was not | * | Oswald. | | = / ‘Mr. Goldsmith. .I would like now to. refer to page 5. : ' Mr. Dodd. . Counsel, just one point. 3 | What was your response to that last. question? | - . > 2 13 | - Mr, Goldsmith. I believe Congressman Dodd has a | E 4 question. | | : el Mr. Dodd. What was your response to that last question? S 7 Ms, Goodpasture, The last question, that the identifi- | = 7 . cation of Oswald that they had a file trace on in the Washing- tg | ton cable was different from the one that the description of | : «| the man who was in the photograph. | : 2 Mr. Dodd. .You reached that conclusion on what day; | a ! with the 10 October '63 cable, what day would you have | Ea Se received that on that. day, 10 October? oN | : 24 | Ms. Goodpasture, We would have received it on about the 10th or llth of October, within a day from the time it was sent here. ‘And I said we reached that conclusion. There. nO hae i i 001246 ; SGREOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:322772294 Page 106 Awe
, 1-105 | “was controversy there over whether this man could have been | | Oswald. | | 2 | Mr. Dodd, Counsel, why do you not proceed? | a + Mr. Goldsmith. Would you describe the controversy that S S| you are referring to, Miss Goodpasture, over whether this : | man was Oswald?. | | ~ = a Ms. Goodpasture. I felt that it was not Oswald. S 3 | Mr, Goldsmith. When did you feel this? At the time ~ J a that the cable was sent? | : 10 _ Ms, Goodpasture, .As soon as we got. the description, | i HW | because I did not think this man, this photograph, could | a i = 12 possibly be the same man that was described here. . | © = 13 Mr. Goldsmith. What actions were taken at that point | ; id to clarify the situation? | : Is | Ms, Goodpasture. I had an argument, I think, with the | = ts Deputy Chief of Station, Mr. Scott, over it. He said, oh, | 4 7 | that may be incorrect and so forth. But there was quibbling : 8 | over it, | : i Mr. Goldsmith, Going back to the cable that appears = 20 | on page 2, I am still not sure. that I understand why the | _cxeee_1! | photo was sent to headquarters, What indication did you | SMS 1. (> aed a have that Oswald had been to the Cuban or Russian. Embassy on | | 2 | october Ist of 2nd of 1963? a | | a ma The transcripts that we reviewed earlier gave no indicas tion that he was going to be there on that day. | 001247 COMBANY, INC. HW 50955 DocId:32277224 Page 107 ALGES 0 m uy u oO FF wu fl u oO 0 i a
a fe ' t rr) ~ > ¢ | roe] ~~ | ow t | i a , ve & | t ~ ; Sod q& 7 | ~ = ~ i j . 1 Pa 3 Fond i} bral 19 i cS | a ! cata i = ry! as tt = t wt { 2 i a 3 { rom tH & ‘wo = HI 2 ,, | :& il on i = i we i ine - 1 = 1s | ¢ ; EO \ = 13 | aan “ Wo = tat = Oi n | = 1s | SE Ty ~ I = i S 2¢ i ‘ | i at 1 } “f th. | | | me So aed bed i 1 ro as Ab - t , ‘ 1 i , | ; H ' i | i i \ i ? i 1~106 Ms. Goodpasture. What was that again now? Mr. Goldsmith, The transcript that we reviewed earlier ' Ms. Coddpasture. Right. Mr. Goldsmith. Gave no indication that Oswald was going to be at the Russian or Cuban Embassy on October Ist or 2nd. | | Ms. Goddpasture. That is right. But once this mistake was made and this cable was sent, it was compounded, because the cable was used as reference material, rather than going back to the log. We did not get around to correcting that date. | | Mr. Goldsmith. JI:understand that but, however, at the time this ‘cable was sent, it refers to an American malé entering the Soviet Embassy. on October lst and now we find that it really was. October and. And apparently you checked the production logs for October lst and 2nd. t $ 4 } i | | i | 5 \ My question is, since the transcripts gave no indication that Oswald had been at the Embassy on October lst or 2nd why was this picture connected to Oswald? You have no inde~ pendent information ‘that. Oswald had been to the Embassy on Oétober 1st. or 2nd? | Ms, Goodpasture, That is true, but we could not tell from this conversation on. the Ist that he did not. go there. We also could not tell from our transcripts that. he had left the area and that there was a possibility that he had gone 001248 HW 50955 Docld: 32377934 Page 108 ALOERSCON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. i | | | i q t | i j i | | i I i \ 1
‘1-107 > there without calling. Mr. Goldsmith. You checked the photosurveillance dab materials for approximately a four or five day period, is that correct? da Lei Ms. Goodpasture, Yes, I think it is. | Mr, Goldsmith, During that four or five day period 20024 (202) S5h-2945 7 Oswald was the only =~ not Oswald. This man was the only 3 i non-Latin appearing man whose photograph you found, is that — | sg | correct? . . | | | : id | Ms... Gcodpasture, I think that it was the only “none | | E a Latin appearing person's photograph that we found that we | _ = 12 | could not identify as somebody else. A lot of. the-people : @ a 12 _who went.to the Soviet Embassy all the time, we came to know ! 3 i, | who they were. After they had been identified, they made | 1s frequent visits. there. ; = i Mr. Goldsmith. I would like to refer your attention . : 3 7 : now to page 5. | : 18 | . Mr. Preyer, Counsel, may I speak to you for a: moment? | e OLY (Discussion off the record.) | : 20. | Mr. Dodd. Miss Goodpasture, I am checking on the time | See remaining for questioning. Counsel. indicates that he would : «> pe 7) require something less than another hour. Is that right? | 3 Mr, Goldsmith. Yes. : © 2 Ms, Goodpasture. Can you stand it that much..bonger? ! ““ | Let us get it over with. | (001248 | HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 109 ALDERSON RESCRTING COMPANY, INC.
HW 450955 2nO24 (202) $54-23n5 H.C, WASHTUGTON , REPORTERS BUTELDING , ue $s. 30H FTTH STREET, ey a Docld: an “be rm Re ee o> . ho ou 32277224 Page 110 . ALCERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 5 Mr, Goldsmith.’ Drawing your attention to page 5 -- | | | ‘1108 Mr. Preyer, Would you prefer ahead and get it over | I with?. | | oo Ms. Goodpasture. I would rather get it over with, if | you can stand it. | | | - Mr,-Preyer,° All right. | . | I think we might proceed at this time. I will have to excuse myself. j | Mr. “Goldsmith:. For purposes of clarification, the | reason that this particular photograph was. selectéd was | because during the four or five. day period in which the { | photo productionibts were checked, this individual was the | only non~Latin appearing male. whom your personnel in the | : Mexico City sation were unable to identify, is’ that correct? | Ms. Goodpasture, That is right. i | before we get into page 5, was Oswald's, or the person whom | you thought was Oswald, was his appearance at the Embassy i considered to be unusual or of. any significant interest? { | 7 Ms, Goodpasture, Would you ask that question again? | : ; , ; I.am not. sure I understood. © Mr, Goldsmith. Was thecfact that Oswald or the person -whom you identifiéd as Oswald appeared at the’@mbassies. when he did, was that considered unusual? Ms. Goodpasture. No. Frequently there were callers, | people who were American citizens, long distance calls, local 001250 7
1-109 Hl | | calls, and so many of them. were crackpots, in a sense, that | b> 4 it was just another one, another name that we might or might 371 not identify. But when we found that there was no record in a 4 our file traces it did not mean anything to us exceptaa name — = | at that time, , | 5 } Mr. Goldsmith. Drawing your attention now to page 5 | S 7 | of the cable that was sent to the Mexico City station from. the x 3 | CIA headquarters, this is page 5 of stack C -=- = . gs F Ms... Goodpasture,. Yes, . | = 104 Mr. Goldsmith. Who was the releasing officer for this = 1] cable? 2 Ms. Goodpasture. Who wrote it? ‘ - ii ; an 3 4 ; . a = 13 i Mr. Goldsmith. Who was the releasing officer? Zorg i Ms. Goodpasture,. The releasing officer? = 135 4 Mr. Goldsmith. “Yes. = 13 4 Ms, Goodpasture, The Acting Director for Plans, His | “a IF name was Tom Karamessinas.. Ps Vi ! = i . , | S18 i Mr. Goldsmith. At that time, Mr. Karamesinas was the | Bod ; : | = '9 | Director for Plans? = 20 Ms.. Goodpasture. Yes. I think Assistant Director, i . 77 | excuse me, #22 aw ° : . 7 a : 40 ye Mr, Goldsmith, Under what circumstances would somebody er 43 like Karamessinas. serve as a releasing officer? | Ms. Goodpasture, I do not know. It may have been the WwW) ine hour of the day that it was sent. He may have. been the only | 001251 HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page Lil ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING. .
1-110 person still around at that time. Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Karamessinas? 3 a Ms .. Goodpasture. I was in Mexico so I would not really | an know why he did it at headquarters, Bos Mr. Goldsmith, I understand. | : S| Ms. Goodpasture, ves. : | 3 ‘| Mr. Goldsmith.. Mr, Karamessinas' position was a | s 7 relatively high one in the CIA hierarchy, is that correct? : + Ms. Goodpasture. Yes. . a Mr. Goldsmith. This was a matter that was not considerda 2 nl to be of particular significance, is that correct? | | 2 2 Ms, Goodpasture, It was not significant to us at the | ee : . (ip E 13 time that -~ before we got the name trace. It may have been | z 11 | considered significant here in Washington because it was. : 13 possibly because he was a former defector. i z | Mr. Goldsmith. I see. The Washington authorities may | 4 17 | have regarded this. as significant and upon receipt of this | : 8 cable in Mexico City station, I believe you indicated before | : | that Mr. Tarasoff apparently made a voice comparison of the | s 10 | taped conversations. Is that correct? | i ———_ 21 Ms. Goodpasture..: Yes. a ae | a pe 22 Mr. Goldsmith. If headquarters considered this matter | ro as to be significant, would they have been apprised of the results of this voice comparison? Ms. Goodpasture, I do not know whether they would or o01252 H il HW 50955 Docld: 322977224 Page 112 ALDERSOM REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
l-11il | not. e 2 “MB. Goldsmith. As a matter of routine procedure? ; | 3 Ms. Goodpasture, The voice comparison only indicated | “DEL that he called the Soviet embassy and the Cuban embassy. We de day had his name, a name, Oswald, in the traffic tothe Soviet embassy to start off with, and the only thing the voice. comparison did, it tied in that name, but we had no way of 3 | identifying our caller exactly with the subject of this trace. ‘Mr. Goldsmith. Are you saying, then, that the fact i t 1] i that Oswald, the fact that you were able to, by.voice compari-~ { ' ld? |. son, establish. that. he had been to the Cuban Embassy and the i j | i Soviet Embassy was not significant? i i | m Ms. Goodpasture, That is what we said in the note. In the transcripts, he called the Soviet embassy from the i i ' ! 1 | i 14) Cuban embassy, a man, and that voice by the Russian trans- t q - | 2. a e 6 I. a . « . : ; vy criber was identified as the same voice as the person who 409A ITH STREET, SoM. REPORTERS BUTLDING, UALTYTHGTON, PLC. 20024 C202) S$n-29N5 8 | said his name was Lee Oswald. : on ce ET, 19 Mr. Goldsmith. I understand that. .But headquarters | \ i 20 | was never apprised of that voice comparison? | . 2 . Ms. Goodpasture, I think they were in a cable. : eh { Ls Sa i bo Mr. Goldsmith. Prior to the assassination? ~ oe ad nh ma to the assassination. - Ws Lay | | . . Ms... Goodpasture. No, I do not think they were prior | | Mr.. Goldsmith. Apparently the fact that. the Lee Harvey 7 oe | 001253 HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 113 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-112 Oswald was considered significantly significant. for Mr. ia) | Karamessinas to be the releasing officer of the cable to the li . . . . . i 3 |. Mexican. station and a voice comparison is made for the purpose fo of determining essentially whether Oswald had been to both aa the Cuban. and the Soviet Embassy. According to your testi- both the Cuban and the Russian embassy was not considered p.¢ way 4 é mony, the results of that voice comparison were that in fact | S \ a | Ss 7 | it. was the same person. | S 7 Are you saying that-the fact that Oswald had been to ~ | z am sufficiently important to notify headquarters prior to the = W | assassination? 5 . - 1 | Ms. ‘Goodpasture. No, because at that stage, we had no | it : ' ‘way of proving that the man who made that call in Mexico was | = mo the same man that this trace was about, ; | & . z is] ‘Mr. Goldsmith. The cable from headquarters gives back- | 7 | ground information on Mr, Oswald, does it not? | ° \7 Ms. Goodpasturé. Right. | : 7 We assumed that it probably was. : ' = a Mr, Goldsmith. Right. | i s | After receiving the cable, a voice comparison is made, | ASE | It is determined that the same person was talking on each | tape and there is no follow-up to headquarters, even though | e2 nw am Ms. Goodpasture. The follow-up was made by disseminat-_ Wa ian ing this information from the traces locakly and trying to 001254 | | headquarters clearly considered this to be significant? ; | | | { | HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page i114 ALCSRSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
a | 1-113 | @ : identify Oswald, trying to locate the man. That is the way | t : . : 2 | the follow up was made... We thought that he may still be in | @ 3 | Mexico.. | | | > : Mr ,. Goldsmith. The point is, howevey, that upon the | Z | making of a voice comparison, if, in fact, that was done, 2 4 | that. information was not communicated to anyone, | | = 7 | Ms .. Goodpasture. I do not know if it was or not. | é 3} You would have to check the file completely - '€he cable v 5 traffic, to see if it wase To the best. of my knowledge, it | Z 10 “was not until after the assassination. E a | Mr. Goldsmith. If it were not, would that be unusual? | a . : * 12 ‘ Ms, Goodpasture. No. | | ad E ig Mrs Goldsmith. Despite the fact that this was considered = 4 | something of significance by headquarters? | | ts Ms. Goodpasture, Headquarters -- no, because they | : ts could not have done. anything with. the voice comparison, : a iv | Mr, Goldsmith. Perhaps they could not have done any~ : 8 thing with the voice comparison, but they may have considered | = 19 | it to be even more serious had they been informed that not | = 10 : only had Oswald been to the Soviet Embassy but he also had | been to the Cuban. Embassy... CSS | | ¥N OT | Ms. Goodpasture. I think they knew that, because the | 23 | ae | “3 ; Call from the Soviet Embassy came from the Cuban. Embassy. @ “| Mr. Goldsmith. Your cable of October 38th,cdoes that. indicate that the call came from the Cuban Embassy? 001258 ' ) | Ms. Goodpasture, Pardon me? HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 115 . ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
HY 50955 20024 (C202) S$54-2945 pc. VASULNG TON , REPORTERS BUILDING, W. S. 200 7TH STREET, Bocld: 1-114 1 Mr. Goldsmith..:. Your cable of October 8th, I am | : referring now to page 2. Does that give any indication that | 2 the call came from the Cuban Embassy? 7 Ms. Goodpasture. . The first call was not made -= no, 7 it does not. | 7 Mr. Goldsmith. In fact, headquarters did not know 7 that he had been to. the Cuban Embassy, 3 Ms. Goodpasture. Pardon me? 5 i MY. Goldsmith. In fact, headquarters did not know that | e | he had also been to the Cuban Embassy. : VY | “Ms ~ Goodpasture. At that point, no. | 2 . : Mr. Goldsmith. At least, according to your. recollec- | 13 tion, it was not until after the assassination that head- - | ie | quarters was informed of that fact. : a Ms. Goodpasture. ‘That. is probably right, | is Mr. Goldsmith, . Have you ever spoken to Mr. Karasmes~. | VP sinas about this matter? _ ! a Ms .. Goodpasture.. Pardon me? _ | iB Mr. Goldsmith. Have you ever spdéken to Mr, Karamessinas 20 | about this matter? | i. Ms. Goadpasture.. No, and I do not think that in ! | Mexico that we would have. known that Tom Karamessinas signed 2 | gs on this cable, beeause the cable that came down there did | 24 not have the names of the people on them. | : 23 : This ig~aiheadquarters file copy that. you are working aoohro04 page 116 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
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| | 2 | continue with the questioning. | 7 The Committee will stand in recess for five minutes. ' (A brief recess was taken.) = 7 Mr. Dodd. At. the time that we took the recess, and I : ~ . . i 5 8 | responded to a recorded vote, Counsel was proceeding with g 7 | seston. I would ask counsel to continue with ‘those S a questions. | : $ | Mr. Goldsmith. Thank you. < = 7 One question that. was out of the line of my inquiry : Hl that I was making prior to the recess, at the time that | 3 _ | = a | the Oswald reco-ding was obtained, did you or anyone else ah : 2 | go to Boris Tarasoff and indicate to him that this was a matter : is of special importance and needed to be transcribed. immedi- | : Is ately? | | : Me | Ms. Goodpasture. The first tape with his voice on it, 2 4 a ~ cannot remember whether or not I took that to Herb Minell : 8 or whéther the outside agent took it to Tarasof fj but it was : = 19 taken to Tarasoff at the same time that it came in from the | < | | _ | g # | tae | ee Mr. Goldsmith, Was Tarasoff given special instructions | Ls nw a nD Ga to transcribe it immediately. — 1-116 | you aminute to get a breather and I will be right. back to that this particular recording was of unusual importance? Ms‘. Goodpasture, Iam quitte sure that he was asked Mr. Goldsmith. Why would he have been asked to. transcribe
1-117 it immediately? Ms. Goodpasturé,. So they could find out whether there i 3 was any information there under the name Lee Oswald. That + was the only transcription that he did except for a short | 5 § | one from the Cuban Embassy staff. 5 | / Mr. Goldsmith... The first conversation that came in = >| anvolving Oswald apparently came in on September 27, that S 3 | he was, not identified by name in that conversation. g : | Mss Goodpasture. No, that is right. : 10 | ‘Mr. Goldsmith, Was that tape taken to Tarasoff? | Is - ! : 1 that. the one that he. was asked to transcribe immediately? | 3 | 12 Ms. Goodpasture. ‘The one. that he was asked to transcribe e : V3. immediately was the one that had the name on ite “The one - | : 7 that was unidentified, it would also have been taken to him | Pst i . : I} as soon as it came off of the machine, and he would have been | Z is | asked to transcribe it as soon as he could. | ‘ 17 | Mr, Goldsmith, I -am not: sure I follow you why there — | : . was a need to transcribe it immediately. i E a Ms« Goodpasture, Pardon me? | 5 | Mr. Goldsmith, Why was there a need to have him | — a | transcribe it. immediately? | yA a Ms. Goodpasture. The Lee Oswald one? 23 Mr, Goldsmith. Yes. Nf ji ' ' Ms. Goodpasture. The conversation was in Russian, or Broken Russian, But it was in a language that the monitors L ; _: : nLOERSON 2EPORTING COMPANY. INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 119 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, ING
| inside could not understand. . They could not tell if the : a had a telephone number there or if he had an address a or if he gave more information in the Russian language than “| eo | F oy The only thing they got was his name, which I, believe 3 5 | was in English. ~ «| a : Mr. Goldsmith. Even so, why could they not have waited : a for the ordinary lag time to. ensure prior to the transcrip- | : a tion of the recording? | ! g 10 Ms. Goodpasture,. Wait a minute, We are talking about | : n | two different things. The reason that he would have been = ro asked, Tarasoff would have been asked, to transcribe it | ® ae immediately would have been because we had a name connected | ? 7 with it. Most. of Tarasoff's transcription work was trans- cribing Russian to English, but the conversations were with | P REPORTERS QUTLDENG, \ Is persons who were in the Embassy, Soviet personnel, and in _ 7 that process he built up a backlog, | : : So if something came in that was not a Soviet or | - FI something other than the people who we knew there talking, ! e ; : . = *| he would have been asked. to do that. immediately before the . KE | chit-chat conversation translations of people who were living in. the Embassy. | i } | . | Now do you understand what I am talking about? | Mr. Goldsmith, I think your explanation is responsive. “Mr. Dodd, “Counsel, one point I should make watbe 6b HW 50955 DBocld: 3233772334 Page 120 ALDSRSON REPORTING GoM PAN f. INC.
HY 50955 2NO2 (202) 554-2945 c. WaASHTHGTaN, fh, AUT LD TNS , REPORTERS S.u. 30n 7TH STREET, bd bn ot . ta rere) oe) on Le119 record, I should mention that Mr. Edgar is replacing Mr. Sawyer here for purpose of this hearing. Mr. Goldsmith. I. would like, at this point, to refer to page 6 of the documents contained in Stack C. In this regard, can you identify this particular document? Ms. Goodpasture. Yes, it is a cover sheet that would — go over a cable in the Mexico station files. Mr. Goldsmith. Is this the cover sheet that went. with the cable that was received from headquartes which. gave the correct. description of Oswald? Ms. Goodpasture. Probably on the lith of October. : That is the date stamped here. Mr. Goldsmith. In fact ; number an Ne shot ce EE | vic .MsY Goodpasture. ‘No, that is not right. The date igs stamped there with the date of the message. the day it was received was 12 October which was the day that is > | beside Scott's name. Mr. Goldsmith. However, the routing slip pertains to cable number 74830. Ms. Goodpasture.: Right. Mr. Goldsmith, Which. is the one that arrived from Washington that gave the description of Oswald, is that . correct? Ms. Goodpasture. That is correct... 7 Mr. Goldsmith. fixamining this particular document, z 001264 Docld:32277224 Page 124 ALESRSON BESORTING COMPANY, INC.
. a ‘whose handwriting appears in dark, bold script on the right 2 side, thé right side of the page? 2 Ms. Goodpasture. The dark print? / Mx. Goldsmith. The cursive. 5 >| Ms. Goodpasture. . Please set up P. file? { i , 4 | Mr, Goldsmith. Yes. = ra Ms. Goodpasture,. That is Mr. Scott's. s 3 ) Mr, Goldsmith. What is a P file? | | Ms, Goodpasture.. Where? | c z , 0 Mr, Goldsmith. What is a P file? : ul Ms. Goodpasture. What is one? a 7 . . = 2] Me, Goldsmith, Yes. ee : i Ms . Goodpasture. That. is a personality ‘€ile on an . : i!) individual, an investigative file containing all the. informa- g re tion about a name. * 1s | Mr, Goldsmith. Is that a file that is maintained at a , 7 local. station? © | : 8 Ms. Goodpasture. Yes. = my Mr. Goldsmith, How. does it differ from the file on an = 20 individual that.is maintained at headquarters? —— “Ms. Goodpasture. It is not any different at all. It DSS — O ”’= | is the same type of file. : 23 Mr, Goldsmith, In terms of the content of the file, & a would everytiihng-that is in the local file, the P file, be 28 reflected in the headquarters file on the individual? 1-120 ne1262 aS
1~121 Ms. Goodpasture, Not always. It should. be, but some- No times formal communication was sent to headquarters that was peeereeneteneeeaees ta, written from several notes, The formal communication, such t i 4a as the cable, would be in the headquarters files, but if some ta an -one had taken the information down from the conversation on a Sg | table napkin, or something, and had. not written a formal 7 memorandum for the file ; the raw data would not be in the : E | headquarters file. | ; § : . Mr. Goldsmith. How ‘long would it take to open a P file z 10 | locally? | : 1 Ms ¥ Goodpasture; Depending on the workload, it should | a = 12 not take longer than a day to take a file folder out of the | o = 13 cabinet and put the material in and put a label on it. , | ; ta Mr, Goldsmith. Is it likely that Oswald's P file | 2 \s i was open shortly after October 12, 1963? i = i * i Mss Goodpasture jo. would assume ‘so, | “ 7 | or. Goldsmith. ~ Examining the ‘statement in cursive — a 8 | By: Mr. Scott , it says; "please “set ‘up P file on. Lee. Heriry. | - 1? | Oswald and put all data that we have into it, me WALL" is | = 2 underscored. | a a | if vee! ; Do you have any explanation for why Mr. Scott would ! i pe 2 i have Bothered to underscore "“all"?. | “3 : Ms. Goodpasture. He always did that. | o “ wou always had the feeling that your files were never | as " complete: enough, : Te 001263 AW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 123 ALDESERSON SERSORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-122 | Mr. Goldsmith. If you examined another routing slip i 2 by Mr. “Scott directing that a P file should be opened, he | . 3 would also, as a matter of routine, have the "all" under- B ; | lined? z | Ms... Goodpasture. Yes, i i : ; 2 6 Mr... Goldsmith . To your knowledge, do you have any 7 : information that any materials that. should have gone in | : § Oswald's P file were not put into. it? ae | e 3 | Ms. Goodpasture. Not to my knowledge. | S i i z 19 Mr. Goldsmith.. Was Oswald's P- file, in fact, complete? : 2 ‘I Ms. Goodpasture . “tT think his file was. complete, | = i : Me Goldsmith. I. would like ‘to refer you to page 7 = E is | at this time of the materials contained in Stack Cand could = 4 you.explain to me and the Congressmen what the difference | : 13 is. between. this cable which. is marked, in the upper right- . : . 43 hand corner. 74830 and the cable that appears on page 3 that | . 17 is also. marked 74830? — | : 8 | Ms. Goodpasture. Number 3? : e Y . Mr, Goldsiith. Page 3. ; 5 2 Ms. Goodpasture. The. one on page 7 is a copy of the | Se 7 | cable when it was received in. Mexica city that was typed up : aa awd a in the. Mexico station. The one on. page 3 is a copy that . : “s was taken from the Headquarters file and the way the cable | > +4 looked when it went out. | : 2: ' Page. 7 is the way it was receiyed,. You have information | . oe 001264 ‘
l=123 | ! | fromthe: Mexico file and information from a headquarters file a put together here. | 2 | Mr. Goldsmith. As a matter of routine, who would review : | the cable. upon receiving it in Mexico City? —_ | 5 Ms. Goodpasture. The first person to get all cable . | ) | traffic was the Chief of Station and the second person to get | ~~ it was Alan White. The third person to get it was usually | 2N02% (202) SSH=-2345 3 | the-person to whom it was routed to, that Mr, Scott wanted 3 % | te see it first. | = 10 7 Mr. Goldsmith. On page 7, This appears to be Mr, = Hy Scott's handwriting in dark, the dark lines,’ and the hand- | Te writing. 2 De - ; | o BI 13 | Ms, Goodpasture. Winn Scott's? | = | . - oe | - ie | Mr. Goldsmith. . Drawing your attention to the arrow . | e 1s | that appears. on the upper lefthand corner of this document, i et , a * 13 the. arrow.goes from. Henry upwards. Do you see that? 7 | Ms, Goodpasture., Yes, . | z a Mr.°Goldsmith. To the right of that appears the word | a | . = 20 | Ms, Goodpasture, Right. - eee Mr, Goldsmith. Underscored. © yy i Can: yousexplain that? — oan Ms, Goodpasture.. Well, he put “sic" there because he G ° » wanted a Reading on the P file -~ this. goes. back to the P 52 file -= he wanted the P file to be written Lee Oswalid,.the { ' | oe 001265. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page i125 , ALOSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
1-124 | | title on it, also known as Lee Henry Oswald. That is what | 2 | the "sic" designates, that it could be two names, 3 | Mr. Goldsmith. If that were the case, would not the + | appropriate way to indicate that be by writing down "aka": 5 3 instead of "sices" . ra 6 i Ms. Goodpasture,.. | "Aka" was also used, | g 7 |! Mr. Goldsmith. In fact, my impression is that the ~ = 3 14 term "sich is used as a matter of routine in the English = | =< 9% | language to.designate that. the item that is referred to is ~ 10 ie erroneous, Zo! Ms. Goodpasture.: I do not think he meant it in those = 12.) terms. I think he wanted both names to be on the file. He © = 43 | -Ls another world now and there is no way of finding out. | rt ni Mr. Goldsmith, Understood. z '5 4 In fact, the "sic" points right to the Henry and in = Ns | fact Oswald's real name was Harvey not Henry, is that correct? “| Ms; Goodpasture,. Right. | z 8 | Mr, Goldsmith, Did Winn Scott know that. Oswald's middle = '$ name was Harvey and not Henry? . f = 20 _Ms,Goodpasture. Not.to my knowledge. We had no record | _ee- 7) | of it at. the Mexico station, We had no trace on-anyone by . ies aw! i) yy + Oswald. f oan Mr, Goldsmith, That is exactly right. It is an impor- a 24 tant. question, | | er Ms, Goodpasture, Right, ot 4 , ¢é % i : : 001266 — HW 50955 DocId: 32277224 Page 126 ALDSRSON REFORTING COMPANY, INC.
HW 450955 a gt was there. phy Bo | 1 ) OMS’ Goodpasture.’ I worked there for 11 years when he | Mr. Dodd, You.knew him fairly well. de 4 Ms ,Goodpasture. » Let me answer it this way. I do-not fog: ‘think I knew him well enough to be able to say beyond. any Pe oe _ 5 | Heasonable doubt what hé meant here by this term, = 7 Mr. Dodd. Were you familiar with his annotations on & a other cable traffic? : 7 Ms « Goodpasture . Well, yes, I think I probably was. : o more. familiar than anybody else who was down there at that . E 7 time because: I was down there longer. : 2 “Mr. Dodd. pia you ever notice that. he used these = a symbols interchangeably in other cable traffic? Z 2 Ms. Goodpasture. Yes, I think he would use it. I have : a seen him write sic in for. a garbled name by the side of it. z 13 One garbled version put in. for the information on a.file > a in | tnaced with another name. | : | ‘Mz, Dodd, Thank you, I turn questioning over to. : a counsel. | 7 oe 5 20 | Mre Goldsmith, “Referring to Bage bof Stack C, Scott comet | tnticotee that. a P file should he opened on hee Henry Oswald . OE | . , #27 22. does hé not? / 23 | Ms. Goodpasture. Yes, 2 Mx, Goldsmith, . He does not indicate that a file should 25 Be opened under Lee Oswald and. Lee Henry Oswald, does he? — 001272 “ . , RLOERSOMN SE TING. COMPANY, INC. DocId:32277224 Page 132 / ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY