over Communist codes to me, and documents and shit fike that. She worked for the Company before and she worked for the FBI as an undercover agent for about seven vears, even had her kid do shit for them. And she was out being a mistress for the top Russian KGB agent in New York. She was his undercover mistress, he boutht her jewelry and booze, wining and dining her and she was ballin' him, You know, she won't Say it to anybody because it would make her look tike.a whore, you know, but hey, man, she really did a job. And | took tape recordings of allt that shit, kK you know, and | turned it over to our intelligence, they got it, they took copies of it ak and all that. Yeah, she's got a lot of balls... (re clicks on tine) "That's probebly the FBI buaging me, ha, ha, ha. 1 hope they cot a court order.» Hey, you know, that's how Nixon lost his 18 minutes of tape, you know the tape cap. You know | know who did it, t know who ordered it, | was told who ordered it, and | believe | know the man who x erased it. It was erased electronically. (Why?) Well, you remember there were statements | made to you and then it came out in the press about Nixon xX was trying to cover himself about the files he wanted from pole about the Bay of Pias and the missiles and the Kennedy a assassitration, he ordered Helms to sive it to him and ol Helms wouldn't give it to him, Three times he wouldn't t+ aqive it to him and then Nixon fired him for it, Well, -in that 18 and half minutes tape | think there were “conversations on that, that pertained to what | was talking about, and this ex-acgent totd me, he says, 'Frank, you're right, with the Statements that you made, you know, that | read about what you said about Nixon being set up and so forth and about the files and all that, well, | want to tell you Something, | was hired to erase those tapes." And she says, "It was done electronically. And the man who hired / . _ }ome was so and so." And | got the tepe recording -of it, too. w - (OF the guy telling you this?) Yes, sir. Hopefully, itts STill here. } mean, hopefully it's stitl in my possession, BRcRBReX you know what | mean, if | don't go ahead and get ‘it ab! erased, ha, ha. B&ut he totd me, and whether it was is bullshit or a tie | dont+ know, but this aquy was an & ex-ClA -- kK agent. Well, after a neriod of time these people get a little: disecusted with their covernment, with what coes on and so forth times, and sometimes veopte wil! tell other people, vou know, which is timited to the peoste they tell, of so and soa sand so and so, “ho knows, it's a funny world. ! suspect one of these days I'm conna xexk wake un and somebody is qonna _ shoot my ass, But, hey, &k it's the name of the game... | don't worry about it. PByt sometimes | think Pedro is right. You know he thinks the Agency is gonna kill him. He séys, "Il know. _ too much about the Agency.' You know, he thinks Artime is a aoe AW 53080: DocId: 32264840 Page 25_
double agent. (Have you heerd from Artime?) Hell, no, Artime wouldn't call me. You know who called me yesterday? Howard. (Hunt?) Yeah, ha, ha, ha, Howard. Here comes all fhese press people inside the doors and Howard calls me - on the phone and says, 'Hey, sorry to hear about this, so on and sar so forth. | saw you on television, you really did a good job.' Yeah, | says, Howard, | got all the press walking we in the front door right now. (It's a wonder she didn't put him in this thing, too, huh?) "Well, she pulled a boo-boo by saying that when she > came from Cuba she met Howard Hunt and myself. And | called her up and | says, "You never met Howard Hunt and me! I+ was not Howard Hunt!? She says, ‘Well, |! thought it was Howard Hunt.' | says, ‘If you saw Howard Hunt todaysea you wouldn't know who the hell the man was! How » could you go ahead and say that@' She says, ‘Well, it don't make no difference, what difference does it make?! 1 says, ‘It makes a lot of difference!' | says, '!l never knew Howard ‘at that fime.' | says, 'Now I'm under oath telling these people, the Senate Watercate Committee that k¥x | didn't 7? | know Howard, [| never met -- which is true, you know -- | never personally met Howard until either late '71 or '72 =- and you come up with a cockamania story that Frank arranged for my escape cut of Cuba and the first people | meet in Miami is Frank Sturqis and £. Howard Hunt. You gotta be crazy! To say shit like that, oh God. But she wants to get in the goddamn papers. You know Howard's been hittin’ the papers quite a bit. But ! says, "Why do you want to put the man in the jackpot for? That's a lie.' | says, "Them people ever ask you to take 2 pelygraph, for Christ's sake, they'I Il make a coddamn tier out of you. Because you never met Howard Hunt because | never knew Howard Hunt.' She never met Howard Hunt. At least the best es | know. Maybe in bed someplace she met him, you know, ha, ha, ha. She ‘sure as hell didn't meet Howard Hunt with mef' @ ~ 53080 Docld: 32264840. Page.26.. .... ee oe cee simul ae cena asaya denen