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nm Mr. Angleton. Yes, but I would like to explain later why | . i | correct? I chose counsel. ' t 1 ! { Ge . ‘| Miss Brady. You may do so at this time, if you wish. ! 2 : | Mr. Angleton. I chose counsel simply because of the | ~ . 3 5 surprise witness John Hart, that I was not notified in advance: g | of his appearance either by the Agency or by the Committee. z a It seemed to me that lack of notification of a surprise witness of this sort changed the whole context of what I regard this ' i D, c > 9 inquiry to be. Therefore, having had the experience with the | z : | Church Committee and not having had counsel in giving deposi- 2 1 | tions and all of that and not having the right of discovery | . | | r’ : 2 . during the course of the Church Committee hearings you might | : ‘ | say I learned a lesson. : : al Miss Brady. Your comments will be noted in the record, 3 i! = a Mr. Angleton, at this time; are you under any restriction; = oi or privilege that would prevent you. from answering all ques- : . ° i e 3 tions fully and accurately and without any intent to withhold : : 7 information? | : sa Mr. Angleton. As far as I know, if Tounderstand the : a correspondence between the Chairman of the Committee and = | Ae | fe? mt Admiral Turner, CIA, there are no restrictions although the | | ® 3 cover letter signed by the Deputy Director Carlucci stated | uy | is I had any question I-was to refer them to Mr. Breckinridge. i: a Miss Brady. Have you consulted with Mr. Breckinridge 4 a
or the Agency about your appearance today? Mr. Angleton. I consulted with him as to certain docu- en ments which I wish to see as it- affected Mr. Hart,'s appearance. That was the General. Counsel's office through my attorneys. Miss Brady. Have you also been provided with a copy of 425 the Committee's Rules and have you and your attorney had time to peruse those rules? 2n02% (202) 554-2945 oo “yo Gm Mr. Angleton. I haven't perursed them but I don't need <b to. Iread them sometime ago. I have not really seen them for, | "9 ! the last month: ! 7 | Mr. Duncan. His counsel are familiar with the rules. | ih —_ | 2! Miss Brady. Mr. Angleton, also the Committee Rules | mS : 13 | provide that at the'end of the deposition the witness may he ) ; a | furnished a copy of that transcript. As you are aware, much ary of the information you will be dealing with this morning will REPORTELS BUCLDING, WASHTNCTON, D.C. 7 contain classified information to some extent. We are asking cs . t . i wn y> |. ££ you will waive your right to have an actual copy of the i = 4, | transeripe but of course it will be available to you and your |, 29] i . 2 i = | attorneys at the Committee for your views. = a oe 20 | Mr. Angleton. Can I reserve until we finish this session} 31 | as to whether I want a transcript or not? BEF Miss Brady. Certainly. 22 Mr. Angleton. Since I don't know what we are going to go: into. Miss Brady. That is fine. GP, 22 oe, Soe Sees CBee a eS a a 2 a 3 ie Ree te i eee 3 ORTING COMPARY i ZASON HW 50955 Docld:32263411 Page 10
of the Nosenko case. . Can you tell me what position you held with the Central Intelligence Agency in 1961? 3 Mr. Angleton. I was Chief of Counterintelligence. 4h Tg SS. = | Miss Brady. When did you first become involved in the ~ ; é 5 | Nosenko case? g | Mr. Angleton. I can't give you the exact dates but it z | was when the first telegram arrived from Geneva that he had S ; oo . : | contacted our. people through an American diplomat. -. ‘a | Miss Brady. Which individual in Geneva did Mr. Nosenko o rf g a first contact in 1962? = iP $ | Mr. Angleton. It was David -- the name will come back --~ - ; 2 2 | David somebody in the State Department who had previously been @ = ri stationed in Moscow.: | | : | Miss Brady. Do you know what. the person's assignment = 14 | was? = | Mr. Angleton.” He was a@ part of the American delegation. | E 13 | You mean the person being the American diplomat? He was a : 19 | member of the American delegation to the UN Conference or : 30 | whatever it was.. ——— a Miss Brady. In Geneva? Boer 7 E27 x Mr. Agleton. In Geneva. Miss Brady. When did word of Nosenko's first contact first reach the Counterintelligence Staff at Headquarters? Mr. Angleton. Almost immediately. o +h A ih G COMPAS Mr. Angleton, first I would like to go into the background i | | | i { I i | i } : : : i ‘ H
Miss Brady. Through whom was that communication made? Mr. Angleton. Through the Agency. Miss Brady. Was that through a cable or what type of 3 ne 4 2 communication. | z 4! Mr. Angleton. Telegram. ~ { . \ i i : : t a | Miss Brady. Which division within the Agency was respon-, WI | ; i S 7 sible for the case at the time of the first contact? = 2 | Mr. Angleton. The Soviet Division. | ™ ‘ | good Miss Brady. What was the role of the Counterintelligence, 1g | Staf£? F S i 2 ft | Mr. Angleton. The Counterintelligence Staff is the = Ho : : wn } t = 12 | principal counterintelligence advisor to the Director. : - ; . cs : | = | Miss Brady. Was it normal for Counterintelligence to | = oo B ZB oa 1 handle defectors? Had they handled any defectors previously? | . oom i _ = ig | Mr. Angleton. Yes, we had handled a Hay Hannen, who —— = 14 had been previously handled by others unsuccessfully and had ,; att been turned over to Counterintelligence Staff and it was - , = : = 43 through him that Colonel Abel was apprehendedc. = | a | = 13 | Miss Brady. Was it normal procedure then for the defector ¢ 30 cases to initially go through the Soviet Division and only to | . : t . a Counterintelligence if problems developed? Was that the aS | : “27 2 | procedure? Mr. Angleton. No, there is no proecedure. It is a ques-, tion of precisely how the events transpire. I can take up much i oo) des more in detail when we come to the person to whom Hart referred
nm be vs) s = S 3 a t a . wa io} o~ #8 o Pf 7 od of N Fst a = o oe . s 9 a « nf = 19 S g = : fas my a Soo + 7 = ; = i3 @ : > 3 tA a ey = - = 43 9 a ead 14 = Cn 07 “ = .. % ia om in = nen = 9 ~ ec . Si 2) Cea aaa a4 a4 pa en HY wa das 50955 Doacld: " with Soviet intelligence that copies of the telegram would be | to as "X". But in short, we did not have jurisdiction over i Nosenko, then or any other time. | Miss Brady. What role were you playina? WEre you in a { i . ! 14 consulting role at that time? How was information about the | case disseminated to you individually? | Mr. Angleton. It was not unusual in cases that dealt sent to us automatically. } Miss Brady. What action was taken by the Agency after Nosenko was first contacted? Mr. Angleton. There was no action taken. There was | | great excitement. The first thing that one does in those , | cases is. to begin to run tracers against the registry and | . files to see if there is any previous! knowledge of the indi- vidual. Second was to consider the information which he submitted i i i ' in terms of file and tracers. , | - Miss Brady. What significant information was provided by) Nosenko at that time of the first contact? > , Mr. Angleton. I have not seen those telegrams, I might | add, for several years but one of the more astonishing pieces | of information which he gave was to the effect that a Soviet by the name of Belitsky, who was in contact with the Agency was in fact a plant. He gave the name of our case officers quite accurately who were handling Blitsky. He stated that 322763411 Page if