404 t0271-10145 SUBJECT: heeting ‘with Manvel RAY, 15 November 1960, et s hotel paped motel; I bad previously called Ray on. the telepd at bis Tags residence: and toli him that I woold geet bis ob 15 Movember. The meeting began at 2100 hours and lasted atak about 0130 the mext cay. ‘ap an “exchange of views" seesion, avoiding any controversy, your country, dg not necessarily appliceble when asked about the agrarian: reform and, in thie eoanec 21 November 1960 45 Homestead, Florida -¥, The meeting was beld tn the above-named place because, at that ~~‘ paytieular time, banvel Ray was st{LL “under vraps” and ve did not vant. to take any chonces of having bim spotted in Miasi. _Mapuel R.y end bis ~ wife had been driven. from Tazps py “Ray Adasis” (Ray Dubois) to the above é none from Hey Tork 2, The bighbights of thie meeting were reported tn WASH~L694,, 17 _Bovenber, copy of whieb ie attached. ‘The following paragraphs ere in “ glabovation of this meseag@. coe 3, During this first meeting, wy intent ves to eotablish rapport, prove into Ray's political thinking, snd, by reiterating previously made statements on the Bender group's willingness %o. aopport the HRP, to estavlish the Bender group as 8 private contacto Safinitive for entie Castro activities. In line vith this, Tkept the meeting purposely } ‘put at. gbhe same ting, indicating scae surprise and some bewllderment over sone of Ray's statements. &. fhrougbout the conversation, Roy clearly stressed his grea’ welief ia eivil Liberties, t{odividual freedom, am bis position a8 & Cuvan, and 8lso Lamiapheric, nationalist. On @ gumber of occasions, he atreesed the point that nowt likely soma of the solutions he groposad for the post-Castro period, wight ba viewed by me vith som aisyivings > Dip't you believe, ‘he asked, that what is dmportan® to tha economy of the U. &. is aot necessarily important to the econony of Cubaf von'’t you think thatthe Americen brand of dqeucerecy, which works avairably in 4m ite totality in Cuba? 5. Ray resterate’, on a number of oceasioua, that he wanted to 6 pack to 1 Janvery 1959+ He vas quite firma «- 13 reported in the above~ pentioned eable <= on the need of the ‘nationalization of public utilities) tion, whet would he gadu that isn distribution happen to Castro-seized Apsrican ranches, end ownershig by indivicusl fires of land so parcelled out, woulu be @ goal ef hie goveranents the criteria on whether or not Americon-ownel ranches would be returned to their omers, were currently being worked
74-90000 “ANT. arn bee a2 "Gut bY Felipe Pasos, (Caouwr, 2 gained the impreaston that these - Penehea adcht not -be returned.) ; ra a Tae really showed Sone surprise vhon Ray said thet be voglj not . Bake the “ISAO Conatitution the: basis: for his future government. This iseue - ene” up tn the folloving manner), Tasted Ray whether or not ba could Work on : @ither by joining or by affiliating eo with the PRD, and when his answer eentiva, I posed: the qvestion of what were the aress of aureee | ment ana of Gloncreesent. between hig end. the PRD, Hay said that be had | BOG ad. yet talked to Tuny Varona but that he would feel that there eculd past. The ¥RD, Ray aaid, te really T.ny Verona, Of the five, he {8 the only one of any true importance -anongat the current Executive Committee . ‘Benberss Corrillo bag ulvays been very close to the MRP political Ou. ture, an) Artime tea yound fire-brand. without too such brains; the rest of the - | FRO Zzeoqutive Comittee msubers’ are nieo people inJividually, but Vurcna ; .48 the man to rackon with. tow, there is nothing wrong with Varona pera. i > ‘Sona lly; ha isa aincere, patriotic. Cuban vho hes and deserves Fespect, However, VYarona 4s ineeparably Linked with the corruptness of tha Frio. | Tegigs althaich he, Varona, {8 undoubtedly a couplately honest fan. In | “addition, Verona, vhether he vants to or not, fs a Syabol of the past and outdated political and econosie Philosophy of the Prie régime. It is impoesible for the KRP to have any dealings with or any links te thet paet. ; . . , 7. I asked Ray what his position to the Scviet/Chicom block vould be after Castro's vemise, Ona-of our baste concepts, aay anig, is to trade. wherever 1% will be beneficial for usj beneficial does. nut mean to tte our Scontiay to thet of the Soviet black. We are quite avera that. cur futere 1s. linked te ouy great. Horth Acerican nélghbor. However, such link esp not man. conination or should tmoly any exclusiveness. We must throuchout intin America; Don't uss the xarinas! von*t invades! This revolatico haa to be generated from ‘the inside, We need Aneriean help but help must be without strings attachey, Ambassavor Bongal and ; Dromised wa this help, and your, Bender's, Jealings with MRP - > F Gentatives bere mada us very hopeful, but if wo can not get this alu, - We will proses’ on our on. We are certain that ve will vin, but if we
have to die in failure == 6o be iti It was at this point when Ray complained Bitterly mbous sur hanJling of tbe Sinesio walah offeiry; Sinesio Walsh wae _ dooking for. ara. He, Ray, was eager to bulld ug bis orsenization and ‘therefore to draw peuple like Walsh into his ecirele.. One of the means to do this was, of course, to make kaish dependent on bis, aay’s, adllity to furnied military equipment. “halsh eade a request for arms t3 Rayj Ray channeled this request to his Azerican contacts in Havana in the enticipeticn ‘that he, Ray, would be. given the credit by baleh of having delivered the goods. ¥hat happened, . Boeever, was thet Plinto Prieto, ubo hat deen trained in ‘Amarica, mice eontact vith Walsh smi aseured him that support would be ‘forthcoming from a sourea other than Ray, This, Rey cuntinues, was fo= Jication that the Asericans wortes to aplit sway the Walsh group fron Ray's influence. I indicated no knowledge about this affair but poo-poced the eonclusics draw from it by Ray. 8 After this political discussion, Nay elucivated on psychological aépects of the ERP work: ve ere revolutionaries, snd thug we gust retain, at all times, a lean ami hungry look. Sach one of ua, regardleas of the level of our activities, gust bava s feeling of personal responsibility; from ma down ta the plain cook, we mast have specific tasks assigned to as to do and each of tia aust recognize. that we wlll be held responsible for the success or fatlore of the specific mlasion eucigned to us. Thus, for inatance, ve ean not be satisfied Just to accept money) we mast engage in ‘fund-rsiaing Jrivea here ani in Coda. These jrives night not bring in wuch and hopefully, Bender. will ke up the difference, but the individual fund-raisers vill bave a feeling of accomplishment and will sot set fat and opulent amd laegy,. 9. Avove comeluded the over-all diacussion and some datailed questions were asked by Ray, Could be bave 325,000 by next week? (1 committed $10,000.) Could be engage in a fumiersising activity in the U. 5.7 (2 temporigzed.) Could be have preee sonferences? (I saic, why not?) Cala he have radio tinct (I said, sertapgs.) Could he cet military sit (7 eaid yee, provided our eriteris fac furnighing auch aid wouls de eet, and I repeated, at thst point, my view that there could be no cuplication of effort.) Rey told me thet the eblef of the Kk in Cuba vas 3 ehag by the nase of (imu) Cleneros. He tolJ me 9 kanue] Geijes, woo is currantly in Spain, vould play a considerable role in the MA? peych warfare activities. 160. The oseting closed with cur understanding that ve would meet ‘again within the next two veeks.. WALLACE A. PARLSTT WAP/otg (19 Kov 60) Distributions O « C3 File Lo MASH 1 - Manuel Say Jossier Ui BRP ew A Cys? te a ke ae L = C/JHARC/OPS