} . | | | { | 3 | | A | n 1 a Ss 7 | = 3! c i Ss ! ~ goo | = ta | S g [ = - 12 = t a 12 n et i oS | = 13 2 = os iy ~ | “ V7 a at t oe. . wt = IF | - | = 20 | 21 i SET, we 22 I Hi 23 | Docld: 32252529 Ww in The Witness. At his home in the Northwest section and I. believe when I met him I was with Pedro. Mr. Triplett. Okay. Who introduced you? | The Witness. Pedro. Mr. Triplett. So-Pedro Diez Lanz knew him prior /-to that time? The Witness. Right. Mr. Triplett. And how many meetings did you ‘have with Mr. Barker? The Witness. Oh, numerous.. Mr. Triplett. All at his home? The Witness. No. I haa meetings at restaurants, at his honie. Mr. Triplett. At how many of these meetings did ~Money actually change hands at the meeting? The Witness. Never with me personally. As ‘a matter of fact I received gifts from him, from his boss. Either going out to the Ranch House which was on, close to 36th Street near LeJuene Road. There ‘used to be a Ranch House there. He took me there. ‘He took me to dinner and said the boss told me to take ‘you to dinner. Another time for a Christmas holiday he gave ‘me a bottle of booze. Mr. Triplett. Okay. You received gifts from his ALDERSON RESORTING COMPANY, ING. = a1.-
boss? 2 "whe witness. Not personally. But through rs Barker. vo ae | 4 , Mr. Triplett. “and who was his boss at that 5 tine) | er naerereee | The Witness, « Again I've. never met his boss. — LiKe I say it's possibly one ‘of several agents ‘that _was nis -contro} officer. Naturally the’ ‘Eirst one that I know of, who. I had never met personally, was Eduardo. The second -one naturally I believe it was Jim Knowles, and I think Jack Stewart comes in there somewhere. - Mr... Triplett. You had never personally met -Eduardo?. The Witness. No. We! ‘d all heard in the Cuban colony of Eduardo because he was political. Belonged to the political sector of CIA. And I had nothing A “300 7H STREET, S.U. REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, DLC. 2002% (202) 854-2345 | to do with the political sector. And that had to '¢ | be done with the Cuban Revolutionary Council. 20 . Mr, Triplett. Do you know who Eduardo was? ae | The Witness. Personally, no. But I knew who foo aa a : . . Da? 22 Eduardo was. It was Barker's CIA control officer. 7 . B> Mr. Triplett. I mean his actual full name? The Witness. No, I did not know his actual full i.name. ALZERSOM REPORTING COMPANY. ING. . ~ Docld: 32252529 Page @2 —
REPORTERS BUTLDIENG , WASHINGTON, f.C, JW: 300 7TH STREET, S Docld: 32252529 20024 (202) S54-2345 — Fey sa de w No st Ny oo ote oo Wwe 1 Page 83 - him? ‘Mr. Triplett. Do you know now? The Witness. oh, certainly. Mr. Triplett. And who is that? The Witness. Eduardo was E. Howard Hunt. Mr. Triplett. And you say you've never met The. Witness. To. the best of my" knowledge. | Because remember at that time you run across a lot of people ‘and unless. you actually know. who they are, you know, of snes “ Mr. vriplett.  (Interposing) Pardon me. Let's clarify. this. You have met E. ‘Howard Hunt? The Witness. Oh, yeah. Certainly.. Mr. Triplett. _ And you have, after the fact, learned that Eduardo was in fact E. Howard Hunt? The Witness. “Right. Mr. Triplett. So you have met Eduardo? The Witness.. Oh, certainly. Yes. Mr. Triplett. Okay. When did you first meet him? The Witness. I believe it was Barker's office. ‘He introduced me to him when I was going into the -office and. I think’ he was going out of the office. Mr. Triplett. When? - ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC.
| ‘The Witness. I'm not sure of the exact month, ha | but I believe it was 1972. Before, you know, I | got involved with the Plumbers. Unit. The special 4 | intelligence unit formed by the President of the : 43 : United States... : | | 3 et. Mr. Triplett. You never met him before 1972? 5 7 | The Witness. To the best of my knowledge I S 8 | had never met this. man before 1972.— The. name I knew, S P| wauardo. ‘I.dia not know E. Howard Hunt was Eduardo. 2 10 | Never personally met this man to the best of my E | knowledge. Never at all. I don't ever recall meeting & 2 | B. Howard Hunt, ‘nor did I know that Eduardo was E. : 3 | Howard Hunt before 1972. Never knew the connection : + | netwoen’ then. 7 | E. | | ‘Mr. Triplett. All right. : e. What was your role with respect to the : 7 | international Anti-Communist Brigade? | : ra | The Witness. Well, going back, understand, = a my role was at one time this was a group that T formed = * Jansen voc one of many many groups that was formed a ; SR | in the Miami area. I'm talking about Cuban groups pa? 7 | who were anti-Castro groups. . | a ' And Jerry Patrick Heming (phonetic) had a group a it . . | of americans from the United States or from Canada 25 3 . Docld: 32252529 ‘in the area, that these boys were associated with ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. Page G4
83 - Rolando Masferer. .And we, because we were trying to Mr. ‘Triplett. okay. i | “ do operations against. Cuba we more or less got these 3 fellows incorporated with us. But we have never done 4 I anything with them because it was a raunchy group of = 3 : men. Believe me. Real raunchy. And they just more roof oo 3 4 jor less shifted away. 5 7 | Mr. Triplett. You mentioned Heming and 5S 8 3 Rolandc tiseferer;” % Who ‘else. was involved? < 3 The ‘Witness. Well, I have never had any : . = 19 | dealings: with’ Rolando Mas ferer. "Because you must. ¢ | . My ! understand that Rolando Masferer was a Senator in a coe ; - : Oe “ : 5 12 |. cupa whos under the Batista regime, had a’ terrible oo ' = 3 | name for torture and killing and so forth. = “ Mr. Triplett. His nicknane. was EL Tigere 2 1S wasn't it? : 16 if The Witness. El Tigere, little tiger. ar But he was-in exile. And we more or less -- when E aa say we, I talk about ‘People like the Diez Lanz é '* | brothers and myself and other Cubans who more or less S | vere anti-Batista, naturally. And‘so even as the soem" |-years vent by we integrated with certain people in pa? “ | the cuban colony that had dealings with Batista in 7) the past, “but only. certain people. ‘And Masferer was * | not one of these people. | a | ALEERSON RE PORTIN 5S COMPANY, INC. Docld: 32252529. Page 645
WASHUTHGTON, - REPORTERS BUTLDING, o, & Docld: 32252529- 2024 (202) S54-2345 300 7TH STREET, te oO “oO | | | i i i t | if t, wh i | | | dos it ate . i Page “imagine, in the early ‘60" S, the Brigade. was formed. rey , eesneceanencae patna bok gcsaneetteecnenvere senna arama eave Ott etaetrann are t ne es . . . aa, “person who took over the Brigade was Bucanhan, Jim “the Sun Sentinel ‘in Fort Lauderdale. “own. I had, ‘I think, Ray Sanstrom take care of the. | legal aspects of it and any letters or correspondence | ‘When aia you. form ‘the International Anti- Communist Brigade? The Witness. Oh, - E don! t know. It was, I. And then. I gave up ‘with it really. ‘And ‘then the. -Bucanhan. Mr. Triplett. Jim Bucanhan? The Witness. ~ “Who ‘was a newspaper man from Mr. Triplett. Well, did you form it all on your own, or were other people involved in the formation? . The Witness. I more or ‘less. formed it on my | that would come in would go to his office and so forth, and that was it. | Mr. Triplett. Were the Diez dane brothers involvea with the | formation | of it, “Or. “the operation ‘o ‘Of it? | ‘The Witness. No. - No, not really. But again my friends, the Diez Lanz brothers, are my friends and anything I would do naturally, would’ do! with them or without them: (ALDERSOM REFORTING S COMBANT. ING. 66 : , a fet , ‘A *
85 1 Mr. Triplett. How about Loren Hali? | 2 The Witness. That name, until. I ‘started to get - | 3 all this information pertaining to the JFK assassination, I never really, and truthfully never, thought that Ir tn = had met ‘this man, nor did I know this man. | 2 6 But as I came out, people like Jerry Patrick s 7 |: reminded me well, he was with my group and this and 8 3 | ‘nat and you met him and so forth. And then there | c 39 was sometthings that I read in various books that | yo. . ; _ ; — , i = 10 | Loren Hall did leave. the Miami area, did go out, | g | & 'l | there and wanted to raise money for the Brigade. ‘and’ | a qo. | = | | ~ 42 | so forth, ‘and then ‘I recollected” that probably he cs : = | : , . - '3 | was one of. ‘the persons that. I did know here that was. = Se , ps “ | 7 | = | with the Jerry Patrick group. | % ‘ . oo . = Sy Mr. Triplett. Is it possible you knew him by | = le if the name of LorenzolBassilio (phonetic)? . VOY | The Witness. I don' t. think so. ‘Hall is more,’ - x “you know: | a ; oe | a ' zB 1 | Mr. Triplett. (Interposing) How about Lawrence e i . . : oe ; i a -20 | Howard, or Lorenzo Howard? Did you'know him? Was | ztoi.. an ny > ! CSS i he involved? | 62? 2 | hen we | ony 7 -The Witness. No. [. i ’ . . t 23 . | nhs. The only Howard I know was a David Howard. He - | ‘was a | pilot. ag fe “triplet. Would that be Howard Davis? ALSERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 322525279 Page 6&7
' : t | ' | | | 3 | + | | ” | ' Lo | 3 6 | = . | s 7] : | S85 e so] c | i ~ (19! mS Tf = | ws x it = 13 | = i eS 4 | w i % i = “4 = | a Px ta} = io! i 5 EB | ~ { c . t Ss «.20 | i | 2t | eee t (hi d Bes 22 3 oN OT b- ion 1 23 | iH | Docld: 32252529 Page The Witness. Howard Davis. Mr. Triplett. That everybody. called Howard? The Witness. That's it. Well, they called him, yeah -- Mr. Triplett. - (Interposing) Howard Davie? “@he Witness. Howard Davie, right. - Mr. Triplett. What was his relationship with “the group?; The Witness.. Well, he was one of the people that I met through Jerry Patrick. There was a ‘parachute group, you know, that he was trying to form. A parachute school or group. And they had been associated or involved with various other Cuban ‘organizations to try to get tied up with, and it all boiled down to one thing. The money. Who had the ‘money to do operations, who didn't have the money. Mr. Triplett. Was Howard Davis connected with “the CIA? The Witness. At that time, I don't believe so. “AS a matter of fact I don't know, at that particular ‘time. Mr. Triplett. How about William Seymore? Did ‘you know him? Or was he involvea? | The Witness. I don't think I know Seymore. Remember, Jerry.Patrick had a number of people, ALCERSON REPCRTING COMPANY, INC. 88
87 7 a number of Americans with him and I didn't personally 2 know every one individually, you know. Only certain 3 ones that I dia recall and some I didn't recall. - * Mr. Triplett. Well, at that time Jerry Patrick $ 5 | also formed a group called Interpen, or Intercontinenta _ 3 6 Penetration. Force? | | | S 7 . +... The Witness: 2 Right. | | § 7 Mr. rriplett. Was that a subsidiary of your | ¢ 9 | group, or were-they more or leas in tandun, oF what | | z. 10 | was the relationship? an | Z 1 | ‘whe Witnéss.” 1 don't think there was any | = | _ = 12 ! relationship because they went off and did their own . 3 . -_ pe cE 13 | thing, really. You know, after that they did their . | = 14 own thing. | | | 7 7 of : is | And I personally, like I say, I don't recall | = Is when Bucanhan decided well, go ahead and use the | | : 7 | Brigade, because T didnt. care at that. particular 7 _ ao oe i vo | 2 ‘8 | time. So-I ‘disassociated myself, you know, with them. - | - 19 | ang Bucanhan took over the group. | | S “tl TAS a matter of fact Bucanhan also can verify | | that 1 was here until around November the 22nd. an ) a ; ; Mr. Triplett. We'll get to that a little | 23 : later. | | | cm What other things were you doing at that ‘time? | “| The Witness. I was doing air and boat operations | | _ | hl ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ; | Docld: 322595299 Page 89 .
~ Mr.. Triplett. Air, and boat operations?» You Vw at the time. with Bill ‘Johnson: “Ww. mean “into.Cuba? fa a The Witness. ‘Right... tn | _ Mr.’ Triplett: What was the funding of the - International Anti-Communist: Brigade? ‘The Witness. . No funding at all. Completely . aot 2n02n (202) $5%-2345 — | | — so S Mr. Triplett... gust a paper organization? a CO z 1G The Witness. Just a paper organization. Just . 11} to have an organization to try to do. something. vO eo oe re 5 12 | Mr. Triplett. “Were there any activities beyond 7 . . ne a beer party? The Witness. I never went to any beer parties. I don't drink. I'm a teetotaler. .. REPORTERS BUTLDTNG, t =! 16 Mr. Triplett. I probably said that a’ little flippedly. | Were there any activities of the Brigade conducted whatsoever? : The Witness. As.an organization at that time, — no. i a A 3900. 7TH STREET, eS f n> bt kf The Witness. As I said before, the purpose of eee Mr. Triplett. Well, what was the purpose of 23 | acca. oe - ; the Brigade?. . a4 jf. a ‘ hw tay the Brigade was to get a group of Cubans and at that ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 32259599 Page 90 -