HW 532716 SECRET e _3. ® Yes, so, So, so. ((In English)) Alright, let us go on. What next? You still are not Secretary; what next? The Komsomol Committee must confirm me as the Secretary of the organi- zation. Well, let us go to the Komsomol Committee, I do not remember, but after a day or two they confirmed me as Secretary. Alright, you come to a session of the Komsomol Committee in a day or two... well... for the whole Ministry of Internal Affairs. Yes. What went on there? I do not remember, I do not remember. They confirmed as a Secretary. They spoke with me, told me what to do. How did they speak.with you? I do not remember, I do not remember. This was the one time in your life. Mey Why "one time"? I was a secretary of a Komsomol organization in the Far East, in t Sovetskaya Gavan. We are speaking now of 1953, the KGB, and the Second Chief Directorate. You had been working only a few months in the KGB; you were a new man; DoclId:327404701 Page 35
HW 53716 SEcKErT e - 36 - @ they showed their trust in you; they accepted you in the KGB, and they elected you Secretary of the Komsomol organizatim of the Second Chief Directorate. Now, they summon you to a session of the Komsomol Committee of the MVD. Now, tell me the procedure. I do not remember, I do not remember. I absolutely do not remember. They talked with me. What did they talk to you about. I do not remember, I do not remember, I do not remember. Do you remember who was Secretary of the Komsomol Committee? I also do not remember. I remember those two fellows because they later worked in the Second Chief Directorate -- Marat SOKOLOV and Anatoliy KALININ. Very well, you come to the session of the Committee of the MVD -- as it was called at that time -— you come to the room where the session is, or into the office of the Secretary of the Committee, where it meets. | Well, do you remember who was there’ What did they ask you? Both of those young fellows were there -- KALININ and SOKOLOV . I do not remember which one of them was present or if someone else was present; this man stated how the Komsomol meeting of the Party Organization No. 2 went. They informed.... The Party or Komsomol organization? The Komsomol organization; No. 2. DoclId: 327404701 Page 39
HW 53716 DoclId: 327404701 Page 40 SECRET e @ Well, what did they talk to you about? I do not remember what they talked about. We will return to the Month of March. You said that you went on duty in the KGB in the middle of March. Tell how you were placed on the rolls of the Komsomol, in the Komsomol organization of the MVD. I do not remember. I reported to the Secretary of the Komsomol organization. Well, you appeared before the Secretary of the Komsomol organization.... I was sent to the Komsomol Committee. I said, so.... There they asked me for the so-called registration check (prikrepitel'nyy talon). I told how it was in my case. What is this registration check* Well, when you are removed from the rolls in one Komsomol organization... ( (Pause) ) You left the Baltic. I was not removed from the rolls (2G). Then, you cannot talk about a registration check. . No, there was none. How, practically, you.... I showed my Komsomol identification card.
HW 53716 ET ® - 38 - © So? Well, they talked with me. I do not remember what they said. - Probably they asked me how and when I was accepted in the Komsomol, what kind of Komsomol assignments I had had == such questions.... Well, very well. I paid the dues. They could have asked me why I had not paid the dues for January and February == because I had been left hanging; I was waiting for them to accept me for work. This was already what == almost three months?... Yes, ...That you had not paid the dues? J had not paid for two months. January, February, March. Well, I paid for March, when the time came to pay. Then not for two months, but for three. I paid for three months. But what do the Regulations say about not paying dues? I think that after six months you automatically are out. Please -- as a Secretary, you must know more precisely. DoclId: 327404701 Page 41
HW 532716 B. -~ 39 -— I do not remember, I do not remember, I do not remember. What explanation did you give the Committee for not paying for three months? I explained that I had come on leave for January, but, while on leave, the question of my new assignment or transfer from the Navy to the MVD was being resolved; that is all. Do you know whether there was a Political Department of the Navy Intelligence Directorate at that time? I do not know, I do not know. I do not remember any department, because I never was there; I did not speak with anyone. Well, what was the Navy GRU called at that time? GRU; GRU of the Ministry of the Navy. GRU or RU? GRU == Chief. And the chief was Vice-Admiral VORONTSOV. You do not remember whether there was a political department in this GRU? There was none, because I never was there, and I never spoke with anyone. | I was in Personnel several times and left. I did not work one day there in the Ministry. When I started working, it was right in Sovetskaya Gavan. Well, let us proceed further with the procedure ~- you were with the Secretary of the Komsomol Committee of the MVD; you are talking with DoclId:327404701 Page 42
HW 53716 —SECRET ad _o. the Secretary of the Komsomol Committee of the MVD; you are talking with the Committee about being in the process of enrolling. When did this occur -= when youzalready were on duty? Yes, when I was already on duty. You already had begun working. Well, tell me the approximate procedure ~=— what did they talk to you about? What questions did they ask you? I do not remember. I absolutely do not remember, I do not remember. The Secretary of the Komsomol Committee did not speak with me when I was enrolling. There were two girls there. I gave them the information. To whom did you pay the dues? I paid the dues to the organization of the Second Chief Directorate. After the girls spoke to you, they asked you where you had been enrolled. Well, precisely -- when I started working in the Second Chief Directorate and reported to the Secretary, they told me that, before they officially would put me on the rolls they would send me to the Komsomol Committee; the Komsomol Committee was to direct me. The Party Secretary could not put me on the rolls... Now that I had begun working; "I will put you on the rolls, ((B's surname))''; where? On the Komsomol Committee rolls of the MVD, which directs me where? To the Komsomol organization where I work; you understand? I have a question -= how did you get on the rolls of the Komsomol SEORET DoclId: 327404701 Page 43
HW 53716 B. DoclId: 327404701 Page 44 Committee of MVD? I spoke with the Secretary, and he told me.... With the Secretary or with the girl? With the Secretary of the Komsomol organization of the Second Chief Directorate. Where did he send you? He sent me to the Komsomol Committee. With whom did you speak over there? There, they put me on the rolls. They took the number of my Komsomol card; there were git in registration. They asked me where I worked. I said in the Second Chief Directorate; I said I had begun working in March. They did not give me any paper or anything, but I was enrolled officially in the Komsomol Committee of the MVD. After that, the Secretary of the Party... Komsomol organization of the Second Chief Directorate could place me on its rolls. I was officially enrolled by the Komsomol Committee of the Second Chief Directorate. How do you explain that we have been talking about this business for half an hour, and five times, instead of Komsomol organization or Komsomol Committee, you have said Party Committee, the Committee of the Party, etc. Are you explaing to me what took place in the Party organization or in Komsomol1? ((In a low voice)) the Komsomol organization only.
eee SECRET A. How do you explain that frequently you make mistakes --= instead of Komsomol you say Party? B. Because this was long ago. Well, I was in the Komsomol long ago and I have become accustomed, instead of the Komsomol organization, to the Party. A. Now, what was the practical procedure for putting you officially on the rolls of the Komsomol Committee of the MVD? You spoke with those gifs, they took the number of your Komsomol card. What next? B. To my thinking... I do not remember, I do not remember. To my thinking... I am not able to give the details. The girls told me to go and speak with so-and-so in such and such a room == either SOKOLOV or KALININ or someone else; with one of the fellows. Why? Because these fellows supervise the Komsomol organization No. 2, A. What was their position? B. They were members of the bureau, of the Komsomol Committee of the MVD. A. Be more exact. What was their position in the Komsomol Committee. B. I do not remember what their position was. B. They were just in the Komsomol Committee; they did not work ((in operations)). A. There are many people working there, and every one of them occupies a certain position. B. I do not remember. SEGREL_ HW 532716 DBocld: 32404701 Page 445
HW 53716 _SECRET -~ 47 — Well, we will return to this ~= to whom you turned over the business and how. What interests me is from whom you took over, I do not remember. Well, let us proceed further, How actually did you get on the rolls? I told you how it happened. I do not remember anything else. Then I make the only conclusion I can, and that is --— that you never were on the rolls of the Komsomol Committee of the MVD. I told you how I was placed on them. You did not say anything. You just told me that you saw a girl there, and then you spoke with a fellow whom you, the Secretary of the Komsomol organization did not know and you did not know what his position was in the Komsomol. Member of the bureau of the Party... Komsomol Committee. He could have been a member of the bureau. This does not indicate what his position was on the Komsomol Committee of the MVD. I do not know whether he was responsible for agitation or propoganda or some other matter; I do not remember. Well, we will return to another question. You said that you were a Secretary somewhere else in a Komsomol organization. Where was that? DoclId: 327404701 Page 50