, On 5 May , NCSE ENKO nawed mere friends. He menticned again SABURGV's 7 -scong,. One of then killed his wife (Valya Yefrimova}, the daughter of de,uty minister YEFRIMOV). He killed her because he found her in bed with — another ran. Deputy Minister V. Ve YEFRINOV was deputy te NUSENKO's father. H e was at his funeral and delivered a spgech in Red Square during the funeral ceremony, It was netichble that stuocRiocctomasesdan when we questioned him abeut friends he always menti_ned SABURGV, TERRNKO only sentioned YEFRLMOV by name and did not give a y details. If Ni ‘SENKO is the persen 737 daeperten he is suppesed te be , he would known much mere abeut the Life and background of the deputy to his father. And here ag ain we have an example ef a person ybo ig rentiased whe is no lenger a ViP, | 6. On 6 May NOSENKO told us stories about the eldest sen ef SABUROV who wes married the daughter ef the fermer Minister of Railroads KOVALEV. It should be neted here that the full story of KCVALEV wes published in ny book The Secrot World, KOVALEV was punished and lost his V.iP status in 1950. Te on 21 May , in answering the dector's questions# about his first werk in > the XGB , NCSENKG teld us a stery h:w he received an order to write a statezent be arrest a Soviet citizen whe was cennscted with foreigners. ( HEXEERYSX The Soviet citizen wrete a letter to the American Enbassy) According te HCSERKG he rejected this type ef work although there was BERIYA's resolutien fer arrest { Russian wert is razmotat!). Further, RCSENKG oxphatnnd that the man was net guilty. The point of this stery was to prove that he was we rking in the SCD, 8, On 20 May NOSENKO onee again rembioned that the verking hours of the KGB were fren 10:30 in the merning until 1 e'clock in the morning, with a SEBRET HW 53216 Docld:32404864 Page 8
. HW 353216 Docld:32404664 Page 9 @ a 7 “ ‘ ‘ ges 4 ‘ . ‘ OY i wot break between 5 and 8 in ane As I already said befcre Mescew Hoadquarters until later July or August 1953 working hours were from 11 AM to 12 PM with aireak frem 5 to 8 in th even: ngs a eblast! KGB » inc uding Moscow city , working hours were frém 10: 3p in rerning te 1 e'cleck in the nerning. Semewhere at the end. ier + vy ae beginning of August 1954, working hiotrs were changed and verb from 9 “ai, to 6 PM with a lunch ioxukx* i hi break of 1/2 to 1 hour teken between the aur) of 1 PM to 3 Pie for toX H all the offices of the KGB Anolnd nif pescquartars Sea the eblast!. a: My) j Then it is possible te think that parybee soueubave in escow eblast’, Leningrad, or seme other city) kg “ENXO used te Wort as aN base officer er was closely ¢ con: ected ith, ni eblast* KGB. ‘That is where, he learned the i, the mistake xe regarding the working © ee heurs in hoadauarters : i i" b working ‘hours. ‘That is why be ‘rade r 9+ When the deol ¥ chop 3 is writing im “the summary i NCSENKO!s psychological werent called hima bright - sectepath. Haye he is, but in my epinion ex with. ‘great ingenpity and kxmiggxsum preparation. ‘shyputeny disagree with the gecter's statement’ thath "He has been essentially in general if not always eruthfi 3 in detail." In . re : pint it 4 possible te agree with the decter that vosthgo dees not orede nt te us’ ‘the complete legend. in ny opinien,, ncstio,2 \adveteped| his own story « or “Legend hirself in respense te leading qlesticis.,! cepectslly we about his early life and schooling up to 1953. An\from soe-1959 and en. ’ UP te his defectien , we should believe that it was a Lesh develo: ed for a , ee 7 NOSENKO by che KGB, ef course, with his help. TS ea
@ SEGRET e » SUGGESTIONS 1. It is suggested that I participate in the next hostile, needling _dAnterregaticn. It would be helpful for ne te have a disguse during the next interregation, although he will prebably kncwH whe I am regardless of ts any disguise 1 use. His slse suggested that I interrogate him alone in theinterregation reom , although 1 prefer that someone be present in the room. But if I am aloneit will give me greater sutherity in _ NCSENKO's eyesy and this may be a psychological factor working to ny ‘benefit. B ut if NOSENKO is taken to another place ? ‘then it is pessible to interrogate hin under KBSR flag to represent myself as a member ef KESR ja asked ClA authorities tax fer a leng time to talk to NUSENKC, In the event of ny varticipaticn in the interrogation te aveid mistakes and misunderstandings, fhe interrogation sheuld be held in Russian. It is net pessible “to make the interregation as hostile as it night be and to “hecdle’ him if the interrogati:n is held in English, as NCSKBKO dees net understand streng werds in English as well as he does in Russian. Durhng the interregatien I will not speak fast in erder te make it understandable. It is understoed that I am going te be correct , but net polite. I would wry to avola getting inte any arguzents with NOSENKO. In case of arguments,1 vould ask him te be seated and to ansver the questions. In the event he recegnizes and tells me who J am, it is possible te give twe answers: 1. I am not he but he is coming secon to talk te you, and you are mistaken. 2. Yer, l-am D and yeu are going te give me proof that yeu are N. ‘You have to give re proef that you did work for the KCB, HW 53216 Docld: 32404864 Page 10
HW 53216 In case of my participation ,1 weuld Kike to be able te use all the information tha t NUSENKO has previeusly told us, In utilizing this inforratien, 1 would like te have a free hand to press him on certain points which I feel would be of value to usm in gaingng a confession from him, I need permission te use the names ef Bagley, Big Geerge, and Murphy , ef course, only in the preper way and when it is necessary, The use of the changes in the Seviet government could be désscussed having in mind theuse those events ‘kn at the orever tine when it is ap. arent that it will help him to c.nfess (the use of enly the fall of KHRUSHCHEVY witheut revealing the rise of SHELEPIN' and SEMICHASTNYY,) It could be used in varius ways,for exainple;** a newspaver on the guxdkx table with nly the headline showing. He could be allawed te see the paper. inadvertantly and we could see what his reaction . is. Or, the information coula be breught out at a point in the interrogation when we are brying to sthees that he must confess since we know he is ~ telling lies, and furtherzere, his besses are no lenger in autherity in the S.viot Unien and all is lest fer him anyhow, © 26 During the interrogaticn stress should constantly be g:ven to the fact ~~ that NOSENKG is be ng used as a tool of the KGB vithout proper training | of American realities , and that his missi:n was doomed from the start because of thia. 3. If it is deciced to give. hin some drugs, Nitshould be given prior to tiie hes- tile interrogation, se that we can use any 58 the -nformation gaindd from the use of these drugs against him. The first matter which sheuld be tite determined if cgrugs are used is whether he is NCOENKO or not, SESRET DoclId:324046864 Page 11
4e I would not hest:itate to continuethe interrogations to the point where perhaps see CSENKO weule be extremely tired and gzuupais less able te resist hestile : enough questioning, If there {s net mimpocte personnel for extended periods of © interrogation,. then he ghould be left in the intetrogation reom during | fo breaks in the interrogation. | | i, VULNERABLE : : Hh POONLEKRRARXE AREAS TO Bz EX“LOGITED DURING THE NEXT HOSTICS INTERROGATICN le Everything abeut NOSENKO's education start ng from Leningrad elenentary the ¢: the scheel, move ; ito Mescew, Moscow schocling, should be examined. And special attention shfule be devoted te the schools he attended in September 19415 Bubyshov, pis Mescew, Leningrad, and back to Moscow agains During the . "; ceecnigee ques ii abeut his travel to Kubyshav, Baku, to find out where he realty was at that period. At the same time , NOSENKO sheuld be questioned Hi abou t where his parents lived from Octeber 1941 thru 1942-6 ‘Alse he sheuld ae be questioned about his first passpert which he is supposed te receive not canpier than timnctx November 1943 and not lat.r than the beginning of 12h e | The! jsame can be said about his military ticket, LeGey when and how he | received his first military ticket, through what military cemiss ariat, because he could net receive his military ticket earlier than Novenber 19456 His story that he received his military ticket in the summer of 1945 is false. What medical commission hax was he examined by before he got his <ilitary | ticket should be ‘ascortained. It is impossible that HOSENKO was on active military service prior to 1945 including any military schools because ef his ; te « i the fall of 1 xOre ww 53216 BS%ta: apgguie have been called te uctive duty in the of 1945 or “9
\ likely in 1946, If he was pestedin active reserve in 1945 or 1946 then the question is why he was not Called into the arly’. Together with this g:es the questicn of N\SENKO's education in the 8° Institute of International Relations. The stery he told us is unbelievable. First he siates that it was a four year course! -and that he graduated in 1949 and later on he changed hi ssbory and beta that it was a five year ceurse and that he ‘graduated in 1950. : fe . Ze NOSEWKO's first marriage io TELECIN's daughter and divéree. On this subject, NCSENKO shsuld be questioned, bout his registration ‘of the i ay \ marriage, passports, what district was. the marriage registe? ved in , about ‘if 1, bsackx ‘apartments on the First Neshohanskaya Street, includ: % his military status at this.tim, what kind ef military ticket he had, wien it was registered, ore daginite questions should be asked about bhp divorces ennouncement in the newspapers and fina procedure of the aid dy Jneluding the two court sessions ( district and “eblast! courts). Alimony), — bie exact areunt of alivony, reminding to hin ‘that earilier he told us. éhat he ° ‘pela te his first wife 180, 000 rubles form his meney which he earned t serving in tine Far East. Accord: ng to the latest NCSENKO staterents he spent in the Fae Exat “less than 90 nonihs. If this is the case, then NOSENKO 33383 received apre ots 8 than 5,0.0 rmutles awonth. To make: -during tha 20 mouths the 16C,COO zh ples Even if HCSEN -. was in the Far East and Eeceived there a double salary | techno eat 3,000 rubles ‘ai | month ( I gave here the highest possible salarxy for a nie officer) - h \ 36 Both of the subjects nontioned above shoud be a invesitgated\ i \ For . nt £ . SFERET i ae \ HW 53216 Docld:32404864 Page 13 \.
ee tee te ae ti antiek a - hin fro: the peint when he said that along with the matter of where BcSENKO was living at that time, caying special a.tontion to Sarifemicha, Granevskege and First Meshchanskaya Streats, keeping in mind that these subjects will ‘really show if he is NOSENKGOe If we do not get preper answeres on bhe first twe subjects, 4f he ccntinues to lie er give unsatisfactory answers, then in ny opinion it is not necessary to question him about his study in the . foreipf relations institute. If the answers are satigfactery oF mere realistic then ve would meve to the institute of international Relationse he NOSENKO's : Entry to the KGB. Because we have 4 or 5 gifferent dates on his entry inte the KGB I think it would be a good idea to start qoustioning once prior te 1952 he had complete interview with the KGB pax tt representative about his employment in the KCB, but be rejected their prepesal, because he did nst like it. From this point \ ve weuld ge on fren the beginning screwhere in 1952 when he first talked with KABULOV und so on. And he should be challenged ail the tine that KGB aid not work -he way he described to use Then somewhere during the interrogation he should be reminded or asked questicns could a person be in KGB service if he:kKa yor aly recomend “to the KGB by @ person who Was phot to death as an eneny of the people. : an r ; b, whose (peers background. is neble (dvoryan), and whese graadfathor was A Trotskiyite an who was arrested and died in jail. c, whose edtner of first wife was arrested and was in gail the cay he yep } entered the 568.) - o é NOL - i. 53216 Decld:32404864 Page 14
We tet Sorin ae rrr et ee tt ee rg i EE e ST. @ “@e whe divorced his first wife not in the preper way and probably was the . guilty and question abcut he~uas his immorality was @iscussed in the party cormission of the CPSU ©» who entered the KGBX when he was already overage menber of the Konsomol without any desire to become xy a member of the Communist Party - “f. whould a person with such background sentioned abeve be taken ~~” to work in the SCD American Department | Ge who xt lost his Konsenel membership because ef his misuse of ‘operational docunents and immorality. . h. who was arrested for 15 days for the reasons centiond abevs. 4. who was Witheug Kemsomel and party membership for 2 yearse je who rejected the order of the Minister to write a staterent for arrest in the wourse ef his work « = etc. It is very hard now to develop questions about h.s entry into the KGB but he should be challenged all the time about his answerse : = 5e I did not mention about his be:ng in the Fer East and how he was transferred from GRU te KGB . The line of questions en this matter would depend or connected whith answerzs tmx absut his education and how he entered the KGB, Questions about his tax transfer from the GRU to the KGB could be ‘put together when we will question hin. about his entry into the KGB., his personal file, and military ranks. | 6. I would definitely utilize and show te him the number 7 , what is connecté@d wih it , andjust ask him for an explanation, 7. NOSENKO"'s trip to Gorkiy in search of CHEREPANGV, This questicn should MET HW 53216 DocId:32404864 Page 15
>; HW 53216 stabted fron the point where he first heard of ClEREPANOV's defection from Moscow, NOSENKO's trip to Gerkiy and how long he studied the CHEREPANOV papers. Here all the iOSENKO documents should be 4h band. 8. NOSENKOts operational and social activities on Red Square during the holicays and father's funeral also mikum KOSENKO's presence at the Kremlin as should be closely investigated because it is my belief he/was often in Red Square as he chained. If he was there, it was only once or twice “and it would be exsy to mix him up about these matters. Questions on this subjedt could be developed according to his answers. -9e I wold like te take HCSENKO on e trip frem Kurskiy Station in Moscow to his apartrent on Narednaya Streetalong Chkalovskaya Street and Taganka « Alse on a trip along Dzerzhinskiy StreetSretenka Street and First Meshchanskaya Street te his apartzent building where he lived with his first wife. Th$s is necessary to be sure that he real'y lived in those placese I still do not believe that he really lived at these addresses | ? except for the fact that he may have lived nearby in safehouses, 10. Interregation on operational questicns such as his work with agents and his use of safehouse, etc, could be held later. It dcspends how the peeuxama interrogation goes. Note: I have no special sug;estions how to-exploit NCSENAO'ts inforration, it depends on the next stage of the interrogavion, but I am against tuxing turning him back. to the Soviets, whether he confesses df note We have have toxevorything in.cur power ‘to make him confess in order to Win this big game. if we publish his story wven with our changes without his confessicn DocId: 32404864 Page 16
“ g . ra : J 7 i ‘ : is Los we will be on the losing side, There is no room to soko oe that defecti C . ection is BK the act of an honorable rotivated man without hia | confessicn ke a nett EON . t * a . HW 53216 Docld:32404844 ,Page 17