v9.1 NW 533510 Docld: 32113033 AGENCY : RECORD NUMBER : RECORD SERIES : AGENCY FILE NUMBER : ORIGINATOR : FROM: TO: TITLE : . DATE: PAGES: SUBJECTS : DOCUMENT TYPE: CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : CURRENT STATUS : DATE OF LAST REVIEW : OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : JFK Assassination System Date: 8/27/20 1 Identification Form Agency Information ROTH,BARRY 178-10003-10272 ACCESSION 78-58 (UNPROCESSED) UNTITLED (HELMS AND CHILE) Document Information ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION HELMS, RICHARD DEPOSITION OF RICHARD MC GARRAH HELMS, APRIL 23, 1975 04/23/1975 Released under the John F. Kennedy 3 Lssassination Records Collection bet of 1992 (44 USC 2107 Note). Pase#: NW 53310 Date: 06-14-2017 JOHNSON, LYNDON B. HELMS, RICHARD DIEM, NGO DINH CONSPIRACY THEORIES, CIA INVOLVEMENT ROCKEFELLER COMMISSION DEPOSITION Top Secret Consulted Withhold 07/26/1993 Attached to 1781000310270. Selected pages from longer deposition. Response begun on last page is incomplete. Declassification marking may be for special access only. 2) Page 1
’ 7 ” ae ee ne we me wee “2 : ON CIA ACTIVITIES . Wits peacca Caz steve’ “3 Lo ned 4 178-10003-10272 - Langley, Virginia 5 . . ' Wednesday, April 23, 197 6. Deposition of Richard McGarrah Helms , called for ” examination by Counsel for the Commission on CIA Activities, 8B the witness having been previously duly sworn by the Presidem . fe) -9 Commission on CIA in the offices of the Central Intelligences . QO fe) 10 Jj) Agency, Langley, Virginia, at 9:37 a.m., on Wednesday, i ; . es Lil April 23, 1975, the proceedings being taken down in stsnotype ° = : 12 by S. Susan Hanback and transcribed under her direction. E ; | | | Sag APPEARANCES : . ta i 14 | ' On behalf of the Commission: 5 fj oo . , rs) 15 WILLIAM SCHWARZER, Esq. . | ; fe} 16 GEORGE A. MANFREDI, Esq. ~§ * . . . . - te 1? . . TIMOTHY S. HARDY, Esq. oD ; ae) 18 - David Belin, Esq. z 2 - . . . 3 20 3 . . 3 al 3 DECLASSIFIED ~~. | . . ee Auth: — ° 5 . Date: : =. ; ‘ . : 25 |] By: Dalam ©. PefsBtly a yo, 2 NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL | 2 24 “ . ; 25 ° HW 53310 DoclId:327113033 Page 2
+ | pcosteee one was, Trujillo, and do you remember what the third a) was? . oe ee . Cee 3 | B Dien. re = —— a Q@. And I think you have a) ready testified about thrit. -5 wlla wl og just did, because President Johnson had raised the: 1ini- , = 7 8 stration I wanted to get him straightened out on this. 8 - . ‘ oO Qa 9 ‘a -You know, to this. day I am not persuaded that President g , : Z Lo | Nixon doesn't still believe that the Agency didn't have somethp | . fo) 11 | to do with the demise of President Diem of Vietnam ana there ie . ies , : . : Ls 12 | absolutely no evidence of this in the Agency ‘records and the a _ a) 13 whole thing has been, I mean, rather :--~" what is. the. word f= wa fe 0 1A —- heated by the fact that President .-chnson use@ to go aroun® “45 “Saying that the reason President Kenned Gy wes assassinated wase 16, that he had assassinated Pres ident ‘Dien and this Was Just 3 , |. : . _ : 3. 17 || Justice. He certainly used to Say that in the early days of Pe . : ; . < Presidency and where he got this idea frem I don’t know. I 18 jj ‘19 don't know how many of you had the privilege of trying to argue with Presidents about things like that but you tend.to be a ~_—— Pre = Let me just digress on “that one point for the'wauent. Before we get back to Mr. Castro. After the election in Chite, oa-{| 2 believe it was in 1979 where Allende derived a plurality, ”. | ' | . 25 | President Nixon called you or contacted you to ascertain if ) . Sale ~ SS ey : an tb ot hea ci tt HW 53310 DoclId:32113033 Page 3
A. 2 Or 8 10 1 ie 13 ‘14 15 16 17, 18 19 "20 e2 21 It ‘mean inquiries'-- complete ovenness necessarily with other committees of the Congress. . MR. HELMS: No, because I may have been mistaken ~ about this ut under Mr. Dulles and I believe under Mr .McT™one, we I had always had the impression that the Congress had set ‘up these oversight committees as to be the only committees ‘in which these secret covert actions and secret intelligence operations were to be unveiled and I was -~ therefore, this was my guideline. If I was going to talk to the Congress I talked to those Congressnen. When I testified before other committees, I tried to avoid lying or being guilty.of any illegality, but I also tried in some. cases to duck these Oo cr questions so that I wouldn't be in the position of having ct rddoOd *a maTwaas 4HL WOWT AdODOLOHA come. forward in a different context with a different comnit on matters wnich I thought were the proper husiness of the : ; oversight committees. cee MR. BELIN: Well, now, the final area of my I++ 3 cr QO xuwdrt gation relates to charges that the CIA was in some way , Kennedy. During the time of the Warren Commission you were Y : 2 ¥ Deputy Director of Plans, is that correct? | MR. HELMS: I believe so. | so - MR. BELIN: Is there any information involved with fr 1 in the assassination of President Kennedy which in any v that Lee Harvey Oswald was in some way a CIA agent or ana ty HW 533510 DoclId:327113033 Page 4