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14-00000 ” facilitate the acquiring . 4n reference memo, but it is at _ refuted them in our presence. ih ny#399-69 - 2- 12 June 1969 ae Be ‘We wish to emphasize that __|made none of the -statements. to us. that he did in paragraph two of reference Remo. “On the contrary, in response tovour direct question, “said that ‘his Objections were those of principle rather than of manner of approach "by the “At ne time during our conversation with hin did he make any objéction-to the procedure set up between him and to- ‘of the information we requested. We do not have any doubte that rperarees nike the statements attributed to him least interesting that he specifically — After displaying nothing but hostility _ toward the Azency. during cur entire meetings, he invited us to call upon him in the future if he "could ever do anything for us personally.” Obviously. we do not expec’ to contact him on any basis in the future and. ‘we are certain that he does. not anticipate further inquiries from this . office. os . Doe ro mo : oy (TTT reports as follows on her contacts with and other officials of the Dept. of Imaicration, US Catholic Conference: "the first contact with | | was on 11 Sept 68 and the results of that meeting are contained in| 677-68 of 11 Sep 68. This was_e straight-forward request for informa- tion on how the — would handle the in- flux of refugees. As can be secn from the memo, was cooperative and, in fact, offered more assistance to us than we later requested. We spoke on the telephone with —— a few weeks later to say that, in all likelihood, we would only be needing to ask for address information on selected refugees occasionally. For this information, he - referred us to! On 12 Dec we saw Hrs. - who Wopsceuperavtvestrsurnishing information on : "4 a specific Czechoslovak refugee. Upon our return fron ‘ Washington in late January 1969, @ nunber of requests had piled up and we tried to obtain the needed information - through[ She pleaded that they were very busy, extrenacly behind na their filing and asked that we call. on her Later. ; ey L 4 ; ..
Me Ze . 12 June 1969 : - “Since it appeared in late March that |_ would. - «mot be available in the foreseeable future, we called again ‘en[_] and explaincd the problea. We said we under-:, _‘gtood the problems involved for them in providing this ine! a formation, -in view .of the fact. that they were extremely busy» ““*’ and sald-we would appreciate anything he could do to facilitate “matters. There was one address we necded urgently ‘and this | [ESR Joptained for-us while we waited. We left with hin about six three-by-five eards on other refugees, plus @ stamped - ‘ gelf-addressed envelope, and asked that he return the cards, - mS , with the address’ and employment data added, at his convenience.  __» After that, we sent [__] two letters requesting data on additional individuals and received replies in due COUrSEs After his receipt of the second letter, called Deputy Chief, (whose name he had obtained from \ ee titty $o Check on |. bona fhics, According to Deputy Chief, |was ‘ ae gatisfied that our inquiries were legitimate and only expressed the hope that they could be. kept to a minimus, We succested the ~ . mail procedure agreed to by only in the interest of saving the tine of an obviously overworked. organization. - 202 7 then the account of| complaints to the Department of ~ State official reached us, we @ndeavored to set up an appoint- ment fbr ourselves-and Deputy Chief, [7] to see. him, Our first call in this regard was on 19 May. He soid it was a very busy week and asked us to call later. We called the following week and he again stated he was extremely busy. We said we did have one address to ask him about and asked if we might see hin vriefly. He invited us to write him for the information,and assured us that this would be entirely satisfactory. We wrote on 26 May and he replied the following day, much faster than he had previously. When we called him on 6 June, he invited us to meet with him that afternoon. We estimate that we have requested address: and employment information on about 13 individuals. Since this is the only data requested from we do not under~ stand his statement in reference memo that. he had "become con- _eerned over the ‘numbers and types of request.” In addition to @ —_— we have contacted “Whom we sew in 1907 in connection with Case kg, jo. Although she could not furnish the current Location of the individual in whom we were interested, she was extremely cooperative." | a LLCS
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crA Requests to Soviet Bloc buvtsion, Des ee: Director, DOS 2 EE. SS ISS Win Murghy showed us the attached corresponfence, vhich followsup on his carlier discussion of the subject ; problea with you. Ee askee that we send you's cspy, and would | Like your comcents on it. Jim would be interested in the rational for going the rail route instead of personal visits by the CS's. As I rentioned during your brief wisit on Wednesdcy, we are revieving the entire ICS Ccoch rotiisee procedure, with en eve 'to eutting back ots general effort. Aye i fe &
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MEMORANDUM PUR: Me. Thonas Ul. Kacanessianes (sieaet DEPARTMENT OF STATE Warnecton, .¢. * gos May 12, 1969 Deputy Director for Plans ‘Central Intelligence Agency SUBJECT: CIA, Requests to Voluntary Agencies fa New York , Rich reference to out recent discussion of this subdect, [oan ateaching a senordndum from Mr. Laugel of Ambassador Martin's osaaff on his meetings fn Now York with vartous representatives of the voluntary acenctes. Te would apnenr fson his report that conceru among the voluntary agenctles OU" CIA approaches is more widespread than we had at first supposed, & William C. Trucheart | INR/DNC Attachment: As stated. SECRET Q-2072
14-00000 - UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT * er ae weve nue wuts _ _ . wo ; se Sh . Memo TANALCUM SECRET ro}, INR = Nr, Willian C, Truehesre ‘pate: May 9, 1969° prom 3. S/R: ORM - Raymond W. Laugelf” 2S souyects “CIA Requests to Voluntary Agencies in New York | Mel & OF-/6F  Amba’ssador/Grahan Martin has asked me to inform you of. “ce eonversations which were held in my presence by certain. — “‘yoluntary agency representatives with regard to CIA requests for information on Eastern European refugees ‘(primarily Czechs) who have been arriving in the U.S. as- a result of the Czechos lovak-USSR crisis. The following information was obtained on a confidential basis while L was in New York this week to work on an unrelated project: - . re ‘3 met . e : s (1) On -May 55 after concluding my own busindss dis- cussions, / \ expressed fis deep con- . mover Being asked to supply information on the where- abouts of his former countrymen. a told me that the CIA is checking on 4 Large number of Czech refugees, most of whom have no special experience or qualifications which would seem Co be of particular interest to che Uniced . States. He knows that.many of these people are being sub- — jected to intensive interrogations which bewilder and ° of ‘frighten them, The -procedure was initiated last October by | a CIA man who idencified nimgolf as ___\receives his requests by fetter (he showed me | one sample) which simply Lists the names and other pasfe: © data, either immigracion number or date of birth. The return address used by the cIA_is| TT ~ |} to which| ES to send his reply - that is, the Latest U.S, address recorded in his files. : : ee did not mention a specific number of names or requests but he said they are growing and he is very 7 uncomfortable about it;.he docs not want his good name or agency to become identified with the CIA. He indicated, : La in addiction, that the mathod of operation seems heavy- ; i handed in comparison to that of the. FBL, whose agents present themselves in person, make their requests known QA SECRET fir Group ; c, Le Excluded from automatic downgrading and declassification Buy U.S. Savings Bonds Regularly on the Payroll Savings Plan
74-00000" “a, a cand are serviced to the extent permte eed \ If this information is essential to U.S. nterests, : cannot understand why {¢ is not handled on’ .- an int#a- governmental basis *- namely have the CIA obtain “Ses information from. the Innigration and Naturalization Service, which is. résponsible for alien registration. in the United States, o, s (yn May '6, after concluding my work with oo 2%; “© 4 _ a the question again came up. ~_____ expressed his agitation over the seemingly - “geateurish and scattershot method by which the CIA is operating in this field, He also questioned the value of interrogating simple refugees who are _not defectors with © ‘special qualifications er background, | said. | ' the groundwork. was laid sometime ago (no date mentioned) ‘by a female officer-of the CLA, and that /he_agtasd te she exchange of mail procedure utilizing the — ~ However, he has become concerned over the numbers and types of requests. He suggested, as did _\that INS might be the proper contact point for CIA.” ____\also mentioned that the FBI agents -appear in person and he indicated that their approach seems more professional. ote ae _<S8b if G) ‘Twas also informed byl ann A a (4) On May 7 L.attended (as an observer) a meeting of the Comittee on Migration and Refugee Preblems, American Council of Voluntary Agencies for Fereign Service, Inc., which was called to discuss. refugee and related matters. .The meeting was-chaired by the Rev. John .. - s--s! QW, Schaues of the Church World Service; in addition to ct SECRET
14-00000" SECRET: a Council officers, representatives of seven voluntary: _sagenctles were present, Those in attendance were: At one_point the meéting went off-the-record to hear from . | who had been assigned to study the ‘TIA problem," But | jopened the dis- cussion by announcing rather mysteriously that he had been: in touch "with Washington" at the appropriate level -- implying that the Council should at lease table the matter for the time being. then moved that (a) there ‘would be no further discussion of it, and (b) ‘each’ volun- tary agency should deal with the CIA as it sees fit on an individual agency basis, His motion carried and the Council proceeded to other business, SECRET
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