| 1 | on this.’ Does your name appear anywhere on this? _ ': | Mr. Manell. My name ‘is not on there. ' However, I . 3 should have seen this. My wife ~— I probably saw it because a a 4 the handwriting giving the routing indication is that of my | : . 5 wife. | | 6 Mr. Goldsmith. Did your wife give you all transcripts 741 to review or did she’ seléct only those that she thought were 8 most important? | Mr. Manell. It depended on how busy I was. 10 1 Mx. Goldsmith. When, if ever,’ was the man speak ing in. 11 : this particular conversation identified as Oswald? 12 | Mr.:Manell.. Probably after receipt of the 1 october @ 13 | transcript, CI No. 13. ” 14 yoo. Mr Goldsmith. Why do you say that? 1s - Mr. Manell, “He is, not identified here, is he? 16 | Mr. Goldsmith. ‘No, he is not?. Do you have any reason ra to believe that he was "linked after receipt of the’ 1 October 18 transcript? | we 19 “Mr. Manell. That is what corifuses, me, because when the 0 | cable was sent to headquarters, it referred only to the | a October lst transcript. there is no linking in that cable to #2 | this transcript of the 28th of September. Mr. Goldsmith. The cable of O¢tober 8th made no 24 mention of any contact with the Cuban Embassy. 4 Les 2 ni =. Mr. Manell:.. ‘That is correct. anioig HW 40955" Docld: 32277220 Page 40 , OP SECRET. .
39 TOP SECRET Mr. Goldsmith. Reading that transcript, is it clear to | attention to the cable that went out on the 8th of October. | Mr. Goldsmith. However, the transcript of October lst | you that Oswald made three visits on September’ 28th to the ar) various embassies? He is calling now from the cuban and ee 4 he indicates that he had been at the Russian earlier, and he bs) is going back to’ the Russian; therefore, a total of threé 6 visits. 7 Mr. Manell. Well, there are two visits and the assunp| | § || tion that he will go back to the Soviet Embassy. It is | 9 | merely an assumption. | _ 10 | Mr. Goldsmith. In any event, by the time the October + ou : cable went out, this had been linked to Oswald? . 42 Mr. Manell. By the transcriber. fan 13 | Mr. Goldsmith. By the transcriber. s ig | What about you ‘and your wife? | AS | Mr. Manell. TI can't recall. that. | ; 16 | Mr. Goldsmith. Do you recall when the earliest time I AW7 : was that you did make this link? i . | Mr. Manell. No, I can't. Once again, let me tell you, 19 | to clarify that point, the cable that went out on the 8th | 20 | reported relatively insignificant information. I would not | 7 necessarily have made the effort to do all the research | a 22 | necessary to determine whether this man had made a connec- | . 3 I tion with other embassies. And I may not have paid much : * 24 | | | i | TOP SECRET HW 50955 Docld: 32277220 Page 41
a TOP SECRET _ - - ; _ oo does ‘say the same man who called a day or so ago? pon) . “ 2 | - Mr. Manell. Yes, it does. Arid if these things were - 3 reviewed in chronological order, it is possible that at .that @ . 4 |) time, the connection was made. Mi. Goldsmith. | pléase review CIA Nos. 17-and_ 18 on the translation. ‘Mr. Manell. Right. Mr. Goldsmith.” When you are. finished with that, will you turn the page and réad the transcript relating to that dened abate oureresrener sare siorins Snarece oe ASST SaT TT SOTTSTTTT—neR RT ONT TAT NT oat aera ES _conversation of the .same day, CIA No. 20, for the record. . Mr. Manell. Right. O.. ds - & : Mr. Goldsmith. Now ‘the two transcripts you have just read are dated September 27, 1963. One’ conversation was 4:00 to 500 p.m; the other’ ohe I. think was 4:26 p.m. in ‘the afternoon; us that correct? , Mr: Manell. corvéck. Mr. Goldsmith. -Prom the ‘conversations. contained in those transcripts, is it clear that the’ man involved is at. the Cuban Embassy and he had been at the Soviet Embassy St se a ar I STOTT TT TNE IT IN a Oe aa OC aera a ° oar wun on oO ow 7) earlier? 2 Mr, Manell. Correct. “yt 22. Mr. Goldsmith. Before we go on, we know that, accord @ 3 “ing to the Eranscript, “ifsOswald. haa | been to. the Embassy a 24 total of four times and if, in fact,“he did return to the ae ff , Soviet Embassy; as_ he said he would in: the September 28th ees beh a oa OLE HW. 50955 Docld:322977220 Page 42 TOP SECRET ne
TOP SECRET \ nN io Mr. Manell. Correct. dn Mr. Goldsmith. ‘When were these two transcripts from September 27th first linked to Oswald? Mr. Manell. I can't recall. I find this rather con- Mag fusing because my recollection of the ‘interview with you at oo times. Ts that a correct statement? my headquarters, -I didn't remember these at all. a un 2 . Mr. Goldsmith. You are saying you saw these at your | } headquarters; to your memory, this is the first time you ap | saw this particular -- Mr. Manell. I-can't say. I-am.surprised by this. | —- 13 | The only thing I recollected before I looked at the files . ; Ha, co “ 14 | and before my interview with you was only the 1 October 15 : transcript.” so all of this, I don't say I didn't see these 16 | before. -Ttaonzecall, however, at sone point -~ and this. is 18 ‘attention or perhaps before -- my memory is not clear on". 19 |. this. “But getting to the reason why, the cable of October 8th 20 | was sent. ‘the way it was was because my wife undoubtedly only va 3 | . . 7 7 | probably after the assassination that perhaps it came to my . . * + | | had that information of the Ist’ available to her.- i | { } yo 22 Mr: Goldsmith. Or if she had the earlier transcript i _ ..73 1 available, she did not .make the connection? 7 ak “Mr. Manell. Correct. oe ecu _ ae, aan Mr. Goldsmith. Let .us look at CIA 183. | , oe PALOES HW 50955 Docld: 32277220 .Page 43 . .
sad) 22 @ - 240 HW 50955 Docld:32277220 Page 44 OP SECRET 33. ‘prompt us, with all the other important things we were doing ‘about that relatively unimportant matter. ‘believe that is a cable dated 11 October 1963 from CIA ‘sent in response to the request for a name trace on Oswald? correct? — TOP SECRET = . ‘Mr. Manell. Once again, t don't necessarily want to repeat myself, but having sent the cable of the 8th of October to headquarters, that ina case such as this one satisfied: our requirement: meaning that we have identified. ‘the contact of an American: with the Soviet Embassy. We have’ made it a matter of record and have no indication that the matter is. of importance; therefore, it: wouldn't necessarily, .” ~ ot at this time, to devote additional effort to be ‘complete - Mr. Goldsmith. Would you look now at CIA 183. I headquarters to Mexico City station. “Why don't you skim that briéfly for content and if r have a specific question on the substance, J will draw your attention to ite - ' | | | Mr.Manell. All wight. Mr. Goldsmith. ‘Was this the cable that ‘headquarters , Mr. Manell. Yes. Mr. Goldsmith. I notice that paragraph 1 refers to Oswald as probably identical with Lee Henry Oswald; is that ‘Mr. Manell. Yes. Mr. Goldsmith... There is’an arrow poingint to the word — DOTai4 [.