+ 3 > & 4 4 ’ , Q: Do you know or see a memorandum that was circulated by the Bureau concerning this inquiry? A: No. Q: When did you last see Kunkel? A: About 6 months ago, I saw him at an elevator bank in the Bureau and we exchanged greetings. Q: | How about prior to that? A: When he left for St. Louis’ Q: . You haven't discussed this matter with anyone? A: No, other than the above. Q: How come Kunkel was transferred to St. Louis, there was a lot of publicity about it? A: | I don't know anything more about it than as you say the national publicity. Q: Wasn't there a personal feud between Gray and Kunkel? A: If there was, I don't have any direct knowledge of it. -9* HW 55065 Docld:329899542 Page 164 a ——
FD-36 (Rev, 5-22-64) | eonsimit the following in i AIRTEL (SAC, WFO (62-0) ( ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES MISCELLANEOUS - INFO CONCERNING Enclosed are an original and seven copies of an LHM setting forth information relative to the interview FBI Date: 9/23/75 Type in plaintext or code) TE SELECT COMMITTEE (Priority) "DIRECTOR, FBI (62-116395) ATTENTION: INTD * W. 0. |e {| Asst. Dir.: | Admin. | Comp. Syst. us ( Bxt, Affairs _ | Files & Com. __. | Gen. Inv. | Ident, Se aCe ERtR PAR Ntae | ASSaC, Dr... ; Dep.-A.D-Adm._. | Dep-A.D.-Inv.__.. Laboratory "_._. | | a il Intell nd, . H Plan, & Eval. .. Spee. Inv. i, Training __ i { Leral Coun. Telephone Rm. —l. Director See’y |. | by/f | the Select Committee on Intelligence Activities of KENNETH’ SHAFFER, Chief Clerk, Washington Field Office on 9/19/75.|- Approved: Special Agent in Charge P} 45hEC pobt9/So080542 Page 165 ert) ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN 15 UNCLASSIFIE ha DATE O49 WY DEC 5 Sent M Per *# U. S, GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE : 1969 © - 346-090 (11)
. . + oS CY y Xe) UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION In Reply, Please Refer to Washington, D.C. 20535 File No. September 23, 1975 U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHA®SER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS on On September 19, 1975, at the request of the Legal CouneSl Division, Federal "Bureau of Investigation (FBI) - Headquarters (HQ), Kenneth Shaffer, Chief Clerk, Washington Field Office, appeared at the Senate Office Building for the purpose of being interviewed by the Staff Members of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Activities. The interview was conducted by Senate Select Staff Members, Mary DeOreo and Mark Gitenstien. At the on-set of the interview, Mr. Shaffer was not advised of his Constitu- tional Rights nor was he advised that he was being questioned on a voluntary basis. During the month of June, 1975, Mr. Shaffer was interviewed at FBI-HQ, relative to his participation in the handling and destruction of material from the residence and Justice Building Office of the late J. Edgar Hoover, As a result of this interview an #D-302 (Report of Interview Form) was prepared. Prior to the time of the interview by the Staff Members, Mr, Shaffer had not had the opportunity to read this report. Mr. Shaffer requested that he be permitted to read the FD-302 report. After a short conference, between the Staff Members, they agreed that it would be permissible for him to read the report. The interview by the Staff Members lasted approximately one hour and 15 minutes, =O TIC CONTA. ve ae V. ©. tat Laces wo Soi galee joa HW 55085 Docld:32989542 Page 166 ae ees er eee ETP TE rT
HW 55065 DBocld:329899542 Page 167 U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTER ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHAFFER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS The questions asked by the two Senate Select Committee Staff Members were relative to above mentioned matter. The questions and replies set forth below are as best as Mr. Shaffer can recall. Question: How long have you been the Assistant Chief Clerk at the Washington Field Office? Answer: Five years. I am now Chief Clerk. I replaced Mr. Dudney who was transferred to Headquarters. Question: How long have you worked for the Bureau? Answer: Thirty-one years. ) Question: Do you know Mr; John P., Mohr? Answer: I have known Mr. Mohr personally for twenty-five years. Question: Do you know Mr. Mark Felt? Answer: Yes, I do. Question: Do you know Miss Gandy? Answer: I met her on two or three occasions over the years, Question: Have you ever discussed this matter with Mr. Mohr or Mr. Felt? Answer: No, I have not. Question: After the death of Mr. Hoover, how much time lapsed before you began picking up cartons from his office for disposal? ~2-
~ Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: HW 55065 Docld:32989542 Page 166 U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHAFFER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS A week or two. What was going on in the Director's office when you picked up the cartons? Personal effects were being packed and the rooms were being prepared for painting and redecorating. Do you think Mr. L, Patrick Gray knew what was taking place? I really do not know. Did you see Mr, Mohr, Mr. Felt or Miss Gandy? No, I. ‘did not. Who did you see in the Director's office? I believe I did speak to Mr. Moten, Who is Mr. Moten?- He was Mr. Hoover's chauffeur. How many times have you been in the Director's office? Several times. {During the course of this questioning, I remarked that to the best of my recollection, I was not in the Director's inner office during this pertinent How many times did you go to the Director's office to pick up cartons of material for destruction?
U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INIELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHAFFER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS Answer: Possibly two or three times. Question: How many boxes were there? Answer: As far as I can recall, there were six to nine boxes. | Question: Were the cartons marked in any way? Answer: As I recall, they were not marked, but were sealed when received and remained sealed until time of destruction. Question: Did Mr. Battle at any time go over to the Justice Building with you to pick up cartons? Answer: Yes, I believe he did. (The interviewer stated that my reply was contrary to that of Mr. Battle. Mr. Battle indicated that he was not at the Justice Building with you). Question: Did you ever go to the Justice Building alone to pick up cartons of material for destruction? Answer: No, I did not. Question: If you had gone alone would you have had to account for your time to Mr. Dudney? Answer: No, Question: Were you ever at Mr. Hoover's residence? Answer: No. HW 55065 Docld:329899542 Page 169
U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHAFFER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS Question: Did you see Mr, Kunkel in an automobile with Mr. Battle on occasions when cartons were delivered from Mr, Hoover's residence to the loading platform? Answer: I do not recall seeing him, Question: Tell us how you were advised that material was ready to be picked up? Answer: Mr. Kunkel would receive a telephone call and in turn would contact Mr. Battle and advise him. Enroute from Mr, Hoover's residence, Mr. Battle would contact the Radio Room and request that I meet him at the platform. Question: Were these cartons ever placed in the office of Mr. Kunkel? Answer: No. (For the record, I did retract this answer and stated "that the beginning of the project, they were placed in a room within his office and kept there until it was time for destruction. After a time, they were taken directly to the disintegrator room, Mr. Dudney and I had the key to this room."') Question: Is there another storage room in the Washington Field Office where the cartons might have been stored until time for destruction? ° Answer: No. | (Following the interview, in talking to Mr. Dudney , I then realized that the interviewers were referring to a walk-in vault where Mr. Dudney had placed material on one or two occasions.) ~5- HW 55065 Docld:329899542 Page 170
| AW 545065 U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON. INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHAFFER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS Question: Answer: Question: Answer :. Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Docld: 32989542 Page i171 What sort of material was in the cartons? . Photography, old personal letters, post cards, Christmas cards, etc., and other personal records. Do you recall seeing letters which had holes punched in them indicating that they may have been part of a file? Yes, there were some letters, but they were torn up and mixed in with other material. Do you recall seeing at least 150 to 200 3x5 index cards? No, but it is possible that they could have been mixed in with other material. If they were in a box, would the disintegrattag machine be able to handle them? No, it would not, (The capabilities and operations of the machine were fully explained to the Staff interviewers at this time.) How long did it take for you to destroy the material? Between six to nine hours over a two week period of time. Is there any record which would reflect the time spent in the destruction of the material or the amount of material destroyed? -6-
“ " &@ ‘ Ld U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHAFFER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS Answer: No Question: Was there any destruction of material after the first week of July? Answer: No. Question: Knowing that the Bureau Had its own disintegrating _ facilities, why do you think Mr. Kunkel was requested to handle the destruction of the material? Answer: Prior to Mr. Kunkel's becoming a Special Agent, he was a Clerical Employee assigned to the Director's office. Miss Gandy may have requested his assistance in the destruction of Mr. Hoover's personal papers. Question: Why do you think that such precautions were taken in the handling and destruction of this material? Answer: The material was that of a prominent deceased individual and the contents need not be publicized. Question: Are you assigned to operate the disintegrator machine? Answer: No, we have employees assigned this duty. Question: Why did Mr. Kunkel ask you and Mr. Dudney to personally handle the destruction of the late - Director's material? Answer: As Special Agent in Charge, Mr. Kunkel requested Mr, Dudney and I to handle and destroy all material. We did so without question. Question: Early this year an article appeared in a local newspaper relative to the destruction of material from the office of Mr. Hoover. Did you read this article? -7J- HW 55065 Docld:32989542 Page 17?
Answer: Answer: Answer: Answer: Question: Question: Question: vot ? ff a a> Load ; U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF CHIEF CLERK KENNETH SHAFFER BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS Yes, I did. How did this affect you? It really did not affect me. It became a private joke between Mr, Dudney and myself in that we may have made the newspapers, but did not realize we. were or would ever be involved. Did you read an article in "Time" or "Newsweek"! relative to the destruction of material from the office of Mr. Hoover? No sir, I did not, Did you discuss this matter with anyone? No, I did not. The interviewer emphatically stated that I did discuss the matter at the time I was interviewed as reflected by the copy of FD-302 in his possession. (I stated that I thought he was referring to a possible discussion with personnel assigned to the Washington Field Office.) There may have been other questions asked of me; however, as stated above these are the questions I ean recall. - Bx 7 b 55065 Docld: 32969542 Page 173
FD-36 (Rev. 5-22-64) @ @ ~ FBI Date: 9/22/75 Trarismit the following in . / (Type in plaintext or code) Xa AIRTEL 4 Via - (Priority) TO: _ DIRECTOR, FBI (62-116395) ATTENTION: INTD FROM: SAC, WFO (62-0) W. O., A? Us. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE WN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES ISCELLANEOUS - INFO CONCERNING Enclosed is the original and seven copies of an ; LHM setting forth the contents of the interview by the Select Committee on Intelligence Activities of SA JOSEPH E. DOWLING i v on 9/19/75. —~ mena ¢ ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN 15 UNCLASSIFIED a DATE Iolled ey giles ae ih _ FO cet VAC ear nee Bureau (Enc. 8) ' DEG 5 1975 1-WFO _. & JED: jmm = (3) 2 se v | me | Approved: FL. d Sent —____ OM Per : Special Agent in Charge GPO : 1970 © - 402-735 wo APEC O [9b se08a2 Page 174 |
r 4 4 a Ca a UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION In Reply, Please Refer t0 Washington, D.C. 20535 File No. September 22, 1975 U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF SPECIAL AGENT JOSEPH &. DOWLING BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS Special Agent (SA) Joseph E. Dowling, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was interviewed on September 19, 1975, at approximately 1:30 p.m. at the SSC Offices by SSC Staff Members Mary DeOreo and Mark Gitenstein. No mention was made by Staff iiembers regarding Constitutional Rights and no mention was made as to whether or not this interview was voluntary. SA Dowling was asked if he had ever assisted in the removal of certain boxes from the residence of the late J. Edgar Hoover. He replied that within one or two weeks after’ Mr. Hoover's death, he accompanied Robert G. Kunkis , who at that time was Special Agent in Charge of the Washington Field Office of the FBI, to Mr. Hoover's residence and assisted in removing six to eight cardboard boxes. These boxes were taken from the basement of the residence and delivered to the Washington Field Office of the FBI loading dock in the rear of the Old Post Office Building, 12th and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. The boxes were placed on the loading dock in the custody of either Kenneth Shaffer or Thoms Dudney, FBI employees. Concerning the boxes transported from Mr, Hoover's residence to the Old Post Office Building, Special Agent Dowling advised the SSC Staff Members that these boxes were sealed with tape and that at no time did SA Dowling see what was in the boxes. In addition, SA Dowling did not discuss the or ee J : | ; . /- og, Tp - ff we ed hn ory a ! | 55065 Docld:32989542 Page 175 | |
U.S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF SA JOSEPH E. DOWLING BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS e contents with Special Agent in Charge unis SA Dowling was asked who was present at the Hoover residence when he made this trip. He advised SSC that he observed no one but did hear the voice of a female and recognized this voice as that of Miss Helen Gandy, a former member of Mr. Hoover's Staff. This interview lasted approximately fifteen minutes. | HW 5085 Docld: 32989542 Page 176
ITV) AE Rt Ae tat ely RN a te ape em, meen A Ot! one aan ae ay em Se ene oe en 2 ee Fa nn RR gr Deen tte aye Ate ertaiete fe TO . ortiéna : eo. F q . UNITED STATES GOVS MENT ‘Memorandum SUBJECT: ges EC2 2 19/Biy U.S. Savings Bonds Regular’) on the Payroll Savings Plan ae 55088" “bocla: 32989542 FOR ° MAY 1962 EOITI OSA FRR (41 CFR 101~11.8 Como. Syst. Ext. Affairs \ Files & Com. Mr. J. B. Adams Legal Counsdifh— DATE: 1/26/75 Gen, fav. Ident. reel Legal Coun, Pian. & Eval. Spec. Inv. sae ™“ “Ain ter inert ein fone CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION INQUIRY Tcisng CONCERNING FBI INVESTIGATION OF Telephone Bm. -€ NS Director Sec'y MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR, ee Ny At 5:35 p.m. on November 25, Assistant Attorney General a yr Pottinger of the Civil Rights Division in the Department telephonically (YW } advised me he had received a memorandum fromAttornéy General Levi Cher sk directing him to inquire into the’ testimonjzg ‘iven by’ ieinthee tina a ee recently concerning the Bureau investigati fd and to conduct an inquiry into Bureau files: gicem ing-that § matter. Mr. Pottinger said that he responded by calling the Attorney: General and elling him that the Civil Rights Division had already been considering hat matter for sometime, but that the inquiry to date:had “borne no ruit whatsoever. " Mr, Pottinger said that he ‘was cdlting me inorder NS ey 2 ~ fA by the Attorney General and to request our cooperation. I assured i Mr. Pottinger that I and others in the Bureau would be willing to / We cooperate fully with him in that regard. I immediately advised Mr. Adams of the call £3 Mr. Pottinger. (y= ~UG 3757 ~ ORIGINAL FLED BY) RECOMMENDATION: woe spe : 2 GSP RECORDED ’ : For information. & EG 26 1975 fo ; 1 ~- Mr. Wannall eS ON \Y 1 -Mr. Moore Ke PAg 1 - Mr. Mintz \. an | BAS JAM: mtm ©) Page 17T?
u | of “hearines scheduled for Pesenber 2, £975, and volease Assoc. Dir. Dep. AD Adm. _ “ “Director, Por ur @». Adaus Wannell Mr. W.0O, Cregar Mr, R,L, Shackelford Mr. HeP,. Beckwith ~ be: ttorney General Novenber 20, BOv5 — fod fad fat fet ND Ft Peee ted a = § ALLINFORMATION CONTAINED : © HEREIN 16 UNCLASSIE| . GU. S. SENATE SELECT COMMETTER DATE pcre sequal Pe ON INVELLIGENCE ACTIVITINS Cesc} Reference ig made to §8C detter dated Tovecber 7, 1975, vequesting information concernine this Bureau's operation of infornants in the internal security field and ornl renuest of Staff Venber Robert Relley on Novenber £6, 1075, for a summry of information vecordinge the baeis for this Gurenu's investirsation of the Vietnam Veterans Acairet the Var/tiinter Soldier Oeconination {VENUS for inclusion in the pubMe vécord IR-1-95. et J (i™ to the news media, Information concernins this Rureau'’s operation of infornants in the internal security Piokd was forygarded te you ed econmnicotion captioned ac above, dated Noverber 05, 1075, ~ Hnolosed for your approval and Lorvardiny to aoc, is a lebterhead merorandun (HID confainine infor= inkion responsive toa the VVAW/WS0 request. A copy of this UW an being furnisted for p your, | - Gh 6 Ale 23 Enolosures ~ 2 . GlnLIGEOS : \, sm DEC 4 1°75 i » the Deputy Attorney General anon Attention: Nichnel ©. Shaheen, Jr, et ee eT Special Counsel for Intellicence Coordination Delw » = records, \ 1, \ f od . Dep. AD Inv. — Lx ‘Kinin, HPB: bm ly ay pret Comp. Syst. —— (11) ' \ % oe gv Ext. Affairs , - { . t i wd te es Com. an ~ “~ ¥ Gen py ' SS ee Ident. gh S on a ACLS a wre & Laboratory mi v | , \ Plan. & Eval. a a i7 phe { Spec. Inv. ay a 4 ji: . fi an 4 Traigi 4 7 ZL fl As (be cS J a4! oD, oe fo” aot hae Telephone am. 5 af fA V tha, a fe . | i SA SHE PRgOM jy TELETYPE UNIT Cc] p 7b gee ~ GPO : 1978 © - 569-920 HW 55065 Docld: 32989542 Page 176 ee
| = Mr, J.B, Adams 1 , . 2—- Mr. @wA. Mintz ° . . 4 - . J.B, Hotis) “ ’ 1 ~ My. wWeR,. Wannall , 1 ~~ Mr, W.O. Cregar 1 ~ Mr. RL. Shackelford 1 - Mr. H.P. Beckwith November 28, 1975. SO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (S5¢) RE: REQUEST FOR INFORMATION CONCERNING . THIS CINSAU'S OPERATION OF INFORMANTS IN TH! INTERNAL SECURITY FIELD Reference is made to SSC letter dated November 7, 4975, requesting information concerning this Bureau's operation of informants in the internal security field and oral request of Staff Member Robart Kelley on November 26, 1975, for a summary of information regarding the basis for thie Bureau's investigation of | the Vietnam Veterare Against the War/Winter Soldier | Organization (VVAW/WS0) for inclusion in the public record | of hearings scheduled for December 2, 1975, and release | to the news media. | Information concerning this Bureau's operation of informants in the internal security field yas forwarded to you by communication captioned as above, dated Novenber 25, 1975, Attached ie a summary of information regarding the basis for thie Burenn‘'s investigation of VVAW/WSO. : ONTAINED Enclosure ALLINFORMATION FIED vernal 1 =~ The Attorney General DATE 4 HPB:bme./y. 7 oa of ORIGINAL AND ONE TO THE AG (10) ; ssoc. Dir, ne AD Adm. — Dep. AD Inv. — penal pe ete esr Afars — aoe Wore Files & Com, a wee ¢ Gen. Inv. . leit ia \ cat if Ident. d ou Spec. Inv. _____. _ | | Training ag Legal Coun. _ V4 wi tM a ae tote we Telephone Rm. — i * irae [i nee . Director See’'y -. MAIL ROOM[L_] ‘TELETYPE UNIT [[_] Pik LUStj ine nity GPO : 1975 © ~ 569-920 HW 55065 DBocld:329899542 Page 179
“.” d - x A Adams -~ Mr. J. A. Mintz ~ Mr. W. R. Wannall ~ Mr. W. O. Cregar RE: VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR/WINTER SOLDIER ORGANIZATION (VVAW/WSO) . 1l- Mr. Hy, By, Beckwith ' 1=- Mr. R. L.Shackelford In June, 1967, Gus Hall, General Secretary of , the Communist Party, USA (CPUSA) commented on the forth- coming 1968 national elections. Hall stated that the CPUSA must develop guidelines for the political campaigns and must assist in the development of any 1968 campaign which was antiwar in character and not Limited to either major political party. On September 10, 19867, the CPUSA publication, Phe Worker,” announced that the organization VVAW had been formed in June, 1967, as a nonmembership organization made up of Vietnam veterans who were opposed to the war. This communist publication provided the pur pose of VVAW as opposition to the “unjustified” war in Vietnam. It announced that VVAW had joined “the dissent of milliong of Americans against the war.’ An initial limited inquiry was begun by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in September, 1967, to determine, through inquiries with established sources and public source material, if the CPUSA was directing or controlling the newly formed VVAW. This limited inquiry failed to establish that the CPUSA, or any other subversive organization, exercised direction or control over VVAW. The limited inguiry did indicate that VVAW leadership appeared before the Socialist Workers Party (SWP) sponsored Militant Labor Forum in New York City, but there was no indication of any control by the SWP. With the absence of such direction er control by any subversive organization, the limited inquiry of VVAW was closed in October, 1967. A similar limited inquiry was conducted in 1968, resulting in an updated affirmation that VVAW was not controlled or dominated by any subversive croup. This second limited inquiry was closed in May, 1968. During the limited inquiries in 1967 and 1968, the National Headquarters of VVAW was located in New York City. VVAW activities were primarily Agsoc. Dir. Gevoted to participation in and organization of Dep. ADAdm._ ss amonstrations opposing the war in Vietnam. No full ao. — investigation was conducted by the FBI of VVAW until Admin, August, 1971, when information from a variety of sources dictated the need to determine the extent of control Comp. Syst. { bod nt ND ps AIRED ES RMATION CO! IS UNCLASSiF] le BY ALL INFO, REIN HE DATE Ext. Affairs Files & Com. — Haat rs tents LEB : bmi fej , wi por inspection £19) ORIGINAL AND ONE TO THE AG 5 \ roe nfo \34 i\\ Spec. Inv. Ape Training ate 2 , Legal Coun. Telephone Rm. Director Sec'y __ MAIL ROOM{(_] TELETYPE UNIT [__] [2 [fz HW 55085 Docld:32989542 Page 180 -
DoclId: 32969542 Pad ~ ° ~ t ww over VVAW by subversive groups and/or violence-prone eienents in the antivar movement. Sources had provided information that VVAW was stockpiling weapons, YVAW had been in contacted with North Vietnam officinis in Paras, Trance, VVAW was veceivinge funds from former CPUSA menbers and YVAW was aidine and financing U.S, military deserters, Additionally, infornation had been received that sone individual chapters throughout the country had been infiltrated by the youth croups of the CPUSA and the SWE, A trend of increased mLivtancy developed within the VVAW and the possibilities of violence esenlnted within the organization, During December, 1071, V¥AW members forcibly and ilierally occupied or surrounded public buildines and national monunents in New York: City, Philadelphia, Austin, Texas, and Washington, Dd. c. During 1972, the FRI estimated that VVAW had approximately 1,500 nenbers and 102 chapters throughout the country, V¥AW cIained 23,000 menbers and 289 chapters, En 3972, sone leoders and activists in the VVAW made trips to Hurope and Asia during which they particinated in conferences with vepresentatives and/or officiais. of the Soviet Bloc, North Vietnam, und the National Liberation Front €(NLF} of South Vietnam, VVAW ieaders informed the membership that VVAW had been asked ta cooperate on an international level with many organizations, includine communist or Maoist groups, describing these croups as “our friends," When reporting on trivs to Paris, Moscow and Hanoi, VVAW lenders indicated the organization was dedicated to ending imperialist aggression and establishing a firm velatiorship with the NL, . In Sune, 1972, a delegation of fifteen VVAW nembers and leaders attended a war crimes conference near Paris, Thea conference, which included representatives of North Vietnan and the NLE, was sponsored by two Trotskyist organizations in France, One of the VVAW national officers addressed this conference and it was reperted that the French Communist Party had paid for the expenses of the VVAW contingent at the conference, During Octoher, 1972, the National Steerinrc Committee {NSC} of VVAT ret and discussed the direction of VVAV and the need to make it an anti~inperinlist # = Gm Page 1361
- w : a ° : ra —_ t t political proup, rather than "just another rroup of war veterans,” Most of the speaxkers participating at this meeting expressed their views indieatine VVAY wan ntbiiioine a linexeint-oriented analycis of world problens, ‘ Additionally, it was indicnted that VAY bad established vrointions with the Irish Eepublican Arny, had contact with the Ancolnans, and was attenntine to establish ticison with the Peoples fepublic of China Pre}, in April, 1D73, the organization chanced its nane to VVAV/\inter Coeldier Orcanination €VVAY/NS0), Znue chance wag made in order ta absorb Into the orconi+~ uation, individuals who vere not veterans of nilitary HOLrVvicg. By April, 1979, VVAW/WS0 leadershin claimed to have connections with over 200 forairn organizations and rutintained that VVAW/Ws0 was considered a credible ercanination by these orpenizstions, In October, 1975, venresentatives of VVAU/ES attended and particinsted in the World Peres Conmrress, Moscow, U.5.5.R. Zn 1973, nn ideclorical spiit becane evident within the national leadership of VVAW/WSG, The split arose between these espousine the Marxist-Leninist doctrine and those espousing the Marmrist-leninist doctrine ns interpreted -by HAO Tse tune, Buxdne 1975, the anti-laaist Nagcist-Leninist rroun seened ta he dortinant and expressed deterninntion in educatinr the VVMI/WS0 nenherchip in thig dectrine, By 1973, VVAW/ilsa was composed of npproninately 190 chanters with an estinated membership of 2,000. The Hoational Headquarters wis, and Still is, located in Chicaro, Ii}Tinois, By April, 1974, the NEC devoted itself to the theme of definine VVAW/WSO as a politicnily oriented orgeniuation, capable of unitine with ns nany peonte ne possible to combat U.S. inperielisn, The hope was xnressed that V¥AW/ISO would becone part of the vancunrd of the vevolution within this country, Within the NSC, dissatisfaction developed and was expressed by some of the chapters concerning the VVAW/W50 publication, "Winter Soldier.'' The dissatisfied nenbers clained the gublicatien refiected communist proparcands rather than « Bow $ HW 55065 Docld:32989542 Page 132 ance RR RR A IEEE
chapter activities, news about the Third World, ond news. of activist proups. Additional disenchantment with Covietetypo comuunicn roportedly ranifest itself in the sending of a letter of censure to the Soviet Union, protesting the rape of 2 fennio VWAWANSO delecate to the World Peace Council, held in Moscow during 19738. Y¥VAW/ WSO reportedly severed relations with the CPUSA over this incident, En October, LOVA, VVAW/WSO held a National GT Orcganizins Conference desipned to initiate the bulidins of a fishtine, anti~inperialist novenent within the U.5. military for tha purpose of creatine disruption and disorientation within the military when the revolution occurred, In Decenber, 1974, thea NS¢ voted to alicn YVAW/WSO with the Revolutionary Union €R0), Tivis chanced their political position from o larrcely Mersist approach to ons following a strict Maoist line, This alicnanent with RU crested internal strife within VVAW/ WOO. Some chapters vhich rvezuced toe adept the Maoist line were severed from the national organization, En dune, L7G, sone of the VVAW/WSO chapters which did not support the National Office held a neeting in which they verified severance from the national organisation and aereed to set up on independent organization, This vival croup was intended to be antiesimperialist in mature, but, toa dato, its future ic not certain, The current National Office of VVAW/WSO is strongly infiuenced by RU and cauld develion inte an - Throughout its history, VVAN/WSO has not been a well-~disciplined, theoreticatiy consistent organization. The various chapters never rigidly followed the dictates and policies presented by the National Office. There have been instances of vejection of the Notional Office, concepts both on na ehapter and a recional basis, The cessation of the U.S, involvement in the war in Southeast Asin substantially decreased the nenbershin of VVAW/WS0O, Nunevous individuals and nany chapters withdrew from the orcoaniuation, Chopters and resions were dissolved or consolidated, - Am | AW 35085 Docld: 32969542 Page 163
In 1974, FBI field offices were imtructed to analyze the chapters and regions in their respective territories, Ef the focal organization did not subseriLbe to the policies of the lational Office ond were not ’ Narxist~Lleninist proups advocating the overthrow of the 2 Governnent, the investigation of the local organization e was to be terminated, Most of the Incal chapters and recions contimed to be nominally affiliated with the netionwide VVAW/WSO, but the splintering and the internak idedslogical disputes demanded close exanination of the jocel positions of each rerion and chapter, Many of the investicetions of the various chopters were closed, not because they were no lencer active, but because of their apparent failure to fokiow the Narsist«Leninist ravolutionary posture of the National Office, No current eal natiomride nenbership ficures are available for VVAW/WS0 because FRY investication is limited to specific chapters which ave revolutionary in nature, Currently, the most active of these chapters exist in Chicago, Miivaukea, New York and San Diego. i y La q I ; AW 35085 Docld:32999542 Page 164 - meerti ater erent ae TE er 7 sence ee ee
WASHINGTON, D. c. 20535 Addressee. SHNATE SELECT COMMITTEE COLTR (Scum Memo Report dated 11-28-75 aie SENATE SELECT COMM iby 1-28-75 aption o ocument: Re SSC let dated 11-7-75 re Bureau's operation of informants in internal security field and summary Set, SBM EAR estigation of VVAW/wso. Delivered Ip . . age 12-9 Received by: Nave. eS Lead Mei y Title: Return this receipt to the Intelligence Division, FBI ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED ). 645 HW 55065 Docld:32999542 Page 1
SEE INSTRUCTIONS ON REVERSE CLASSIFY AS APPROPRIATE BEFORE COMPLETING. TO: Intelligence Community Staff FROM: ATTN: Central Index FBI aa SUBJECT: Abstract of Information Provided to Select Committees 1. HOW PROVIDED (check appropriate term. If a document was made available 2. DATE PROVIDED for review but not transmitted, so note.) gL cccomenr | [onrermne | 11/28/9 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN 16 UNCLASSIFIED . DATE Ie BY Any . IDENTIFICATION (provide descriptive data for documents; give name or identification number of briefer, interviewee, testifier and subject) Memorandum . IN RESPONSE TO (List date and item number if in response to formal request, other- - CLASSIFICATION OF wise’ state verbal request of (name), initiative, subpoena, etc.) INFORMATION (enter U, C, S, TS or Codeword) SSC letter 11/7/75 U . KEY WORDS (enter the appropriate key words from the List provided separately; if key words not listed are used underline for emphasis) Information handling . SUMMARY (See reverse side before completing this item) Information furnished regarding the basis for this Bureau's . investigation of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Winter Soldier Organization for inclusion in the pybige record of hearings and release to the news media. 62-116395 TMK:fmk a - ee - (4) ORIGINAL VIA LIAISON TO CENTRAL COMMUNITY INDEX IN CONNECTION WITH SENSTUDY 75 TREAT AS VELLOW CLASSIFY AS APPROPRIATE 3791 (6-75) HW 55065 Docld:329899542 Page
INSTRUCTIONS e Type or print clearly in ink. e Indicate classification of the abstract top and bottom. @ Date the abstract and put on any internal control numbers required. e "FROM" entry should clearly identify the organization providing the information. e If additions (as when a copy of document sent to SSC is later sent to HSC) or changes to a previously submitted form are necessary, submit a copy of the original abstract, with the change indicated. SPECIFIC ITEM NO. 8. SUMMARY -— enter brief narrative statement describing substance of information and showing relationship to Intelligence Community matters if appropriate. Any feedback or evidence of investigatory interests should be noted. Commitments made to supply additional information should be noted. Additionally, certain administrative information may be entered here, e.g., restrictions on review of a document, if document was paraphrased, whether interviewee is current or former employee, etc. If actual document or transcript is provided, that fact should be noted and no summary is required. Additional pages may be attached if necessary. nd . ~ Docld: 32989542 Pag 1357
OPTIONAL row on 10 MAY 1962 EDIT! GSA FPMR (41 crn 101-11.6 Mr. J. B. Adams Legal Coy’ set gh HARRY MORGAN; FROM SUBJECT: ON IN, ELLIGENCE Ab 11:05 a.m., telephonically advised me that he had just received a telephone call from Gary Grace, a reporter for the Cincinnati, Ohio ''Post"', whose telephone number is 513-721-1111. Morgan concerning testimony by Mr. Adams on November 19 before captioned Committee in which it was mentioned that Mr. Morgan was the author of a memorandum June 3, 1968, which described a COINTELPRO operation against Antioch College. me for advice as to what his response to the press should be. him that he was still bound by an employment agreement requiring his secrecy and I suggested to him that it would be appropriate for him to / 4” refer the press inquiry to FBI Headquarters for comment here. said he understood and accepted both of these suggestions , however, he would like to respond to the press inquiry with the limited statement that he was aware of the testimony by Mr. Adams and if Mr. Adams said that he (Morgan) was the author of such memorandum that he considered it to be I told Mr. Morgan that I saw no difficulty in his furnishing such an observation. He thanked me and terminated the call. Ww true. I advised Mr. hai Wad oad es ee oS from Gary Grace. " RECOMMENDATION: SYPY RPETAMED TN ees 1 - Mr. 1 - Mr. 1 - Mr. 1 - Mr. Moore Wannall Hotis wae JAM: smpil- KERD (5) jo oh ag (5508 %-1DocTad: 32969542 Page UNITED STATES , a Memorandum ENATE SELECT COMMITTEE Mr. Morgan and alerted him to the fact that his office may receive a call For information. m “ed ar Buy US. Savings Bonds Regularly on the Payroll Savings 3 Plan of Assoc. Dir. Dep. AD Adm. — Dep. AD Inv. __ Asst. Dir.; Admin. . Comp. Syst. $A Ext. Affairs Files & Com. _ Gen. Inv. Ident. inspection Intell, _____. “fi pate: 11/21/75 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED : DATE BY ZA on November 21, Harry Morgan, former SAC, Spec. Inv. Training Telephone Rm. — Director Sec’y __. Grace requested a comment from Mr. Morgan asked IT reminded ae Mr. regan Coll, Press Service Office, of conversation with we /
we O yt Lf PLAINTEXT TELETYPE URGENT ‘ \ a TO SAC, PHILADELPHIA NOVEMBER 24, 1975 FROM DIRECTOR, FBI C.) - 1 - Mr. Sheer (AMDEN ACTION. . Seu sd ade 95 \\ REPHTEL TO THE DIRECTOR NOVEMBER J7, 1975. FOR INFORMATION OF PHILADELPHIA, ROBERT W. HARDY, DURING TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 18, ]975, MADE SEVERAL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE FRI. THESE ALLEGATIONS CENTER ON HIS ASCERTION THAT HE WAS THE LEADER OF THE CAMDEN GROUP AND ONLY BY THE FEI'S DIRECTION AND FINANCING | ,, fof WAS HE ABLE TO LFAD THIS GROUP IN THE ATTEMPTED BREAK-IN OF THE: } CAMDEN DRAFT BOARD. SPECIFIC ALLEGATIONS, IN MAIN, ARE REFUTED BY HARDY'S INFORMANT REPORTS; HOWEVER, THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY REFUTED: "ON INSTRUCTIONS, I ONCE TRIED TO ’ GIVE THEM GUNS, BUT THEY REFUSED." IT IS REQUESTED THAT SA MICHAEL M. RYMAN SUTEL STATEMENT r TO FBIHQ CONCERNING HARDY'S ALLEGATIONS AS SET OUT ABOVE. END Aa oncom ’ was GON Dk meee on 22 HERE" payee ge Ce fe ne | | Assoc. Dir. . Gt wor fh a \ ad ad Dep. AD Adm. — . mo . | Dep. AD Inv. __ . Asst. Dir.: TLS :r1lfty (3) ”, Mew ay Admin, wh ' oh “a. Comp. Syst, —_ Sn Ext. Affeirs i: _4 vyhe hen ~ - _ | Files & Com. SN * 7 a Gen. Inv. ‘ Ident. j i toy i | Inspection . .~ oy - ue Intell, _ nn 1 -- . Laboratory —___ . t ~~ cc | Plan. & Eval, — _ a ) ; . Spec. Inv. SE Training a? | Legal Coun. | Telephone Rm. _. ty Sey... MAIL ROOM(_] TELETYPE UNIT] ane os“ (<i siex | Bus RES Bode: 2989542 Page 189 tr”
e . ot a r FD-36 (Rev. 5+22-64) . a H € | * FBI \ a { Date: 10/1/75 Transmit the following in (Type in plaintext or code) Via AIRTEL (Priority) TO : Director, FBI (62-116395) Attention: INTD | Abe Mr. W. A Pr & fan FROM : SAC, Louisville (66-2541) nal 2 ™“ . t 2) SUBJECT:~ SENSTUDY 75 | ALL Seay \ ‘ Ne cee pene we A Ls Apa vA f ReButel 9/25/75. ewe Q pale VOee As the Bureau is aware, Mr. JOHN SMITH is a former U. S. Attorney in Louisville. He is extremely friendly with many Agents of this office and volunteered that he has a brother who is a Special Agent in the San Francisco Office. id ' He arrived at 9:40 AM and departed at 11:35 AM. al conversation in my office lasted from 9:40 AM to 10:55 AM. Except for approximately thirty minutes, the majority of time was general conversation about his past activities in Louisville, people he knew in the Bureau, etc. Between 10:55 and 11:35 AM, he was afforded a tour of the office and visited with Agent friends throughout the office. va SMITH advised he’ believes public hearings of the SSC will continue until December, 1975. He advised hearings on . IRS will be coming up soon and thereafter additional hear- ings on CIA "re letter openings," plus hearings with the | National Security Agency. SMITH advised he contemplates ing off the Committee around 12/1/75. oe er getting t r AER ay ted fb te AO. wh Bureau will bé kept advised in the event E“ SMITH re— NSN jie is SAC, Louisvitles’ . ,?* wi . § > M2 ureau (Enc. 3) Ri [ <9 1 - Louisville _ We SSC: ww (3) r ‘a OS a : j ~ = 8 4 tEey d: f) Sent OM Per < W 55085 Docld: se! Ascot ipggharge *U.S.Government Printing Office: 1972 — 455-574
UNITED, STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION In Reply, Please Refer to Louisville, Kentucky File No. October 1, 1975 ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED ‘ DATE wlll orapw, U. S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) STANLEY S. CZARNECKI BY SSC STAFF MEMBER | On Friday, September 26, 1975, Mr. John.Smith, Staff Member, SSC, interviewed SAC Stanley S. Czarnecki in his FBI office, Louisville, Kentucky, for approximately thirty minutes. a . Czarnecki was not advised of any constitutional rights nor was he requested to sign any waiver of rights | form. Mr. Smith stated that while he was in his Washington, D. C.,; office earlier this week, members of the SSC staff, identities not mentioned, requested him to contact Czarnecki in connection with Smith's impending visit to his home in Louisville. Specifically, they re- quested Smith to interview Czarnecki concerning a memorandum Czarnecki had “signed out," captioned "Investi- gations of Key Activists - New Left," dated May 24, 1968. Mr. Smith stated he did not have a copy of this memorandum nor had he read it. He stated it dealt with requesting of Federal Income Tax returns of certain Key Activists : from the U. S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Czarnecki | advised he could not recall this specific memorandum nor | its contents. Czarnecki advised Mr. Smith that he doubts that he had "signed out'"’ a memorandum and then explained all of his correspondence was approved or "signéd out" by a Unit Chief to whom’. Czarnecki was assigned at any given time. It was further explained that Czarnecki had served in two Sections, eight Units, and three Divisions at FBI headquarters during the period September, 1967, through April, 1972. This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to Copa Ne, your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed = % outside your agency. ran f [Cp ba Me FR / HO VS s ENCLOSURE 761491 my _ AW 55085) Docld:32969542 Page 191
| AW 55065 a“ DoclId: 32999542 U. S. SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: INTERVIEW OF FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) STANLEY S. CZARNECKI BY SSC STAFF MEMBER Mr. Smith asked Czarnecki if he had ever requested IRS to furnish the FBI any income tax returns on Key Activists and what procedure was followed in requesting same. Czarnecki explained he could have; however, could not recall if he personally had ever requested such tax returns; however, he does recall such requests were made on a selective basis. These requests were made only after careful review of the request and approval obtained by officials within the Domestic Intelligence Division. Smith asked Czarnecki if he had ever seen any of the tax returns and what type of security was afforded them. Czarnecki advised he had seen some tax returns of Key Activists and believes the number was small. These returns as well as all documents located in the Domestic Intelligence Division were afforded top security and most all such material was reviewed on a need-to-know basis. Smith also asked whether the Bureau supervisor handling Key Activists had direct live contact with Internal Revenue Service Agents. Czarnecki stated he recalls no direct contact was ever had with IRS people by the regular Bureau supervisors. Smith asked Czarnecki's opinion whether or not the Federal Income Tax returns should be made available to all law enforcement agencies to aid them in certain types of investi- gations. Czarnecki advised he could not speak for all of law enforcement, however, depending upon the type of investigative matter any and all information that could be developed on, a key subject or suspect would be helpful. . Mr. Smith advised Czarnecki that he may be back in touch with him in approximately three weeks and, if necessary, will have a copy of the memorandum which Czarnecki allegedly "signed out." . ~ Qe Page 192 ’
ay t —_ aw OPTIONAL FORM NO, 10 oc - MAY 1962 EDITION GSA FPMR (41 CFR) 10T=11.6 L_- UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT Ae ade 1 - Mr. Mintz - Enc. Dep. AD Inv. Memorandum 1 = Mr. Adams - Enc. a _1 = Mr. Wannall - Enc. Comp. Syst. -] - Mr. Cregar - Enc. Ext. Affoirs —_ TO : Mr. J. DATE: 11/26/75 ean A : 1 on Mr. Hotis ent. : 1 - Mr. Daly ~ 9 ction/__. 3 | FROM ° Legal ounsel AN ; iN Labbratory ge ; Legal Coun. J yp Plon. & Eval. SUBJECT: TESYIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE Spe: Inv INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES, NOVEMBER 19, 1975 > ‘Telephone Rm. Director Sec’y __ Attached is a copy of the testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Activities held on 11/19/75. The attached should be reviewed for corrections of a grammatical nature. Changes in. substance may be made by furnishing the Committee a written statement. The attached should be expeditiously reviewed and returned to the Office of Congressional Affairs by &lose of business 12/1/75. : a ee tet ops hanes laXAdams, Repety Hest. RECOMMENDATION : DidePas Feo ioheeaee Se i That the attached be expeditiously reviewed, cor rections made, and returned to the Office of Congressional, Affairs by close of business 12/1/75 for ebb to ‘the Committee. ta ce dy td, S8@ & “ Tpalinernin jap e e CONTAINED TION C teem BUNASSY ED hi DATE phaleo . Enclosure hy go ‘A We) SGA WE SIFS~ II = GE® : v7 JAN 8 1976 > qa a , [rem or day laa SY y 12 yy 131976 . nw 55Onm pocta:329004 Buy US. Savings Bonds Regularly on the Payroll Savings Plan /
iad af prunes . a v . , es oy ®t “6 FRANK CHURCH, IDAHO, CHAIRMAN * . st JOHN G. TOWER, TEXAS, VICE CHAIRMAI Dat Nov er 21 ’ 1975 PHILIP A. HART, MICH, HOWARD H, BAKER, JR., TENN, a nn nan nen eerie WALTER F. MONDALE, MINN. BARRY GOLDWATER, ARIZ. < : WALTER D. HUDDLESTON, KY. CHARLES MCC. MATHIAS, JR, MD. ROBERT MORGAN, N.C. RICHARD 8. SCHWEIKER, PA, onmynas™: oe aTLLIAM G. MILLER, STAFF DIRECTOR , United ~Dtiates Senate - FREDERICK A. 0. SCHWARZ, JR., CHIEF COUNSEL CURTIS R. SMOTHERS, MINORITY COUNSEL SELECT COMMITTEE TO STUDY GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (PURSUANT TO S. RES. 21, {TH CONGRESS) WASHINGTON, D.C. 20510 TO: Honorable James B. Adams Ref: Hearing on Domestic Intelligence Deputy Associate Birector ' Programs . Date November 19, 1975 c Copy #_5 Attached is a copy of your recent testimony before the Select Committee to . Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities. Please review and return with your corrections entered directly onto the transcript in red or in ink. Do not retype the entire transcript. If necessary, an insertion should be stapled onto the page front, clearly marked to identify the point of insert. Kindly mail the transcript in the enclosed envelope, which needs no postage, in time to reach the Committee by December 2, 1975 ¥ ° if we do not hear from you by that time we shall] assume that you have no corrections nor changes, and the transcript will be sent to the printer as it is. Your transcript must be returned, however, whether or not you desire any changes. [It should not be duplicated nor distributed in’its present form. Please return this sheet with your transcript and ascertain the correct- ness of your mailing address, A copy of the printed hearing containing your testimony will be sent to you when published. Thank you for cooperation, 4, NTAINED RMATIONCS si { / Sehr WN Lae, HI * Audrey H, Kary jest Cg Clerk of the Committee ae oh b2-Me 37s, lO™ — —— i REC30 TIFF gy JAN ‘es -ER PMTETRES : Pes irc are ved HW 55065 Docld:32989542 Page 194 |
meo542 “| he identity of the interviewers and that he was free to: -(@neneise his rights at any time 8S guaranteed by the  - | Buffalé, New York — _ November 26, 1975 . UNITED STATES SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) {. RE: THTERVIEY OF FRI SPROTAL AGENT GARRY G. LASH BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS interview of Special Agent LASH by ssc. state. - comnittee members was conducted in SSC office space. ae interview laeted from approxinately ii: 15 AK until. i & PH. _ Prior to the interview. SA LASH wan advised of. United States Constitution.. SA LASH was advised that he | had the right to have an attorney present and the right || to chave a United States Senator present, SA LASH waived . ‘both of these rights. He was aleo advised that the scope of the inquiry would concern the handling of MARY a COOK, (la former Fal informant, exclusively. . a a : a eagaette recording machine during | the: interview. A court reporter was present. who dictated into Page 196 SA LASH was net ‘sworn. . Ag follows are the questions airected to SA LASH and the answers’ that ‘he provided seeenaing ' te the. best _ . Recollection of SA LASTS vo "omnis. doousent -gbitains “peithier ° “2 manapmendat ions nor. gonclvsions: oP” the ‘PRT. - Tt. is tne nranerty of + “eae the: FRI - and is Joared to “your azency 5 / card its: contents are’ not ‘to be : WAR Agen CY o . ‘aigerthuted outs EME LOIURE ba- Med a - 7 ANDREW -POSTAL AND JEFF. KAYDEN 4 : oo OM NOVEMBER 20, 1875 a a see i om : 4.
. UNETED. STATES SENATE | SELECT COMHITTEE ON - a a E INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES oo I, oo a .| AMBREW POSTAL - | $A LASH, what is your present cnployaént?, SA LASH pecial Agent of the FRI | posTAL. oe - Where are you ‘sesigned? | LAS - Buffalo, Hew York ‘POSTAL Vere you assigned t there. during the Summer OF 197 oo, 4 : Did you specialize in ) any type of 7 fAnvestigations? . Yes, Internal Security. investigations POSTAL Rid you have occasion to reoruit oh 4 _ Wary Jo Cook as an informant in ar organization known as Vietaam Veterans Againat the War (IVAW) (Characterization | <¢ of which ia contained An appondie heretovt lg -- Yes - = a one . ¥ould you ‘state: diy 4 the puffale. chapter | ‘ef the VVAY was being investigated . by the Far? : ; I. do ‘not feel thet Q. ean. anawer ‘this cn L od question within the sespe of the: current. - interview. a a oF ; oe > |POSTAL . Whe was your supervisor a at the tine che So  yow handled Mary Jo Cook? aor Ce oo ASK Francia Jenkins POSTAL . . Who was your SAC. at the tine? COMBE Doo Righand Agh | | z vee de tee ned ee etree ee POSTAL “LO 7S Ly oka you ‘“deneribe: ‘tow: ae ‘the methods» Se Of veeruiting Mary Je Cook. Ce GASB os pen. discovering ‘that. Mary oo ‘Cook had rr ve” catered Bema: meetings. of the Buffalo. ‘Chapter of the VAP, I interviewed. har ° oo! . ) -eéneerning: har attendance’ and indicated. ite her that Ivwished. her te beacons, an |) dnforsant. forthe Fare eee
SELECT COMMITTEE OH | re : oo INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES I | tes POSTAL.  Specificalty,, wnat instructions aia you |. 7 give her? |” . ae TRASH 0. Yt teld her to hecoue a  geuber of the Se _ Buffalo Chapter of the YVAW in order — De ; that she might gather. information - - | ee concerning violent or radical activities | "engaged in by the organization, — 4 PESTAL an that . specific area. wes Hiss Cook + aseimned eo | | te work Ain? “ | LASH el, Initially, she pecana'a nesher of the HW 55085 pone mee == ~ ~ es . ie : rat POSTAL - UNITED STATES SENATE. b 1, MOman' Ss group of the YAW. |. oF ae this group of the VVA¥ engaged in any apecifie type of activity at the time? LASH {believe at this: point 4n time they 7 . , Were trying to develop various ° . programs they could implement in the future. a a POSTAL ce pha. you ‘tell her she was to obtain. .. background information eonserning individuals in the group? | LASH , I teld. her ‘te obtain information wine a weabera Of the VA, — POSTAL a 7 Ghat do you mean by a: member?” a : on , LASH 2 The VVAW dia not have membership cards .. a -as such, however, I considered a nerson who attends meetings of the Chapter or gives financial er other support to be a member of fhe ovganizati On. ' POSTAL . ~° .. What type of. background : infornation aia . me sha obtain? LASH mS She obtained: physical desertptions | and lw  .. ee Other types of background information . oa 5  . - ” guch ag residences or employment which would allow ms to differentiate hetueen ic - that individual and other individuals, . din the tuffalo area. -~ 3- Docld:32989542 Page 198
Sie UHITED STATES SENATE. | SELECT COMMITTEE OF | INTELLIGENCE ACEIVITIES. | POSTAL B44 you have her provide any » other information senegenins tndiviauais | _ an the. organization? | LasH - £ asked her te identify thege snaividuaas who had a eapability of enraging in radical (oF vielont activities. | WEFP KAYDEN - . What is the difference betveen violent : 7 and radical activities? —. | LASH- , Radical activities that are not violent en a . oo @@e those which are illegal or infringe. — me “‘apon the rights of other citizens. . POSTAL | Did you have another Agent present with ’ —_ you when you recruited tary Jo Cook? ieee 2 + Yes, X did. | POSTAL oO For what reason? be present duping faitial interviews with female infornants. , LASH. _ tt ds a Par regulation. that two Agents . | POSTAL . _ Sia this Agent becone a ‘handling Agent he OF Mary Jo. Cook? LASS . oe Ho, he did not. He was merely present _ co . » during the initial interview. . POSTAL = © < hen aid you first contact Nay Jo Cook? ASH | dune, 1979 POSTAL bid Mery Jo Cook attend neetings of. the VUAY with her boyfriend, whose Rane we shall not mention?” : Nt ee a a ee “Last HS 4 ‘Delfeve ‘che. dia. POSTAL - a . ‘pia she. and her boyfriend ever give oT co et joint Peports? . 2 BASH = can not dtecues that matter within - po - a the scope, of this inquiry. : a ew os e542 Page 199.
-CUNTTED STATES SENATE . SELECT COMMITTEE ON - | EMTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES ‘POSTAL . >: Hiss Cook stated that the odsectives of a the VVAN were as follows: fo end the war in Viet Ram, to obtain better veteran's benefits, to upgrade | : bad conduct discharges, to obtain | Spug treatment for_ veterans. Ys this sorrect? I believe they enbraced those objectives bet they also had others. Mhat ware the other objectives? “Dig” she deseribed then, the destruction at’ ., W. S. imperfaliem aad the replacement of | ‘our fers of government with a socialist governnent, probably sodeled after the government of Red China. pid the VVAY ever engage in violent activities? - Yes. ' Could you cite some , examples? ‘The first meeting she attended, for . example, concerned the planning of a disruption of aU. S. Marine Corps . _ Avaed Forces Bay dieplay in fuffale. ' eather occasions actions were planned which were illegal and disruptive. Can you give any examples of violent activities by individual members? I reeall on one eccasion several members in this organization told Mise Cook - that they felt the actions of an individual who wag arrested for a bembing on the | ~~ University of Hichigan-campua - whieh resulted-in- _ death, wera justified for political purposes . POSTAL = 8 = = sas BH You know ef any ‘violent activities . _ : -. ». that VYAW members actually. engaged an - . Since the foregoing could. possibly | he whetoric? . -LASH ; Gp several occasions neabers « of the 9542? Page 200
has ‘ | “UBITED Srares SUnATE.  SELECP COMMITTEE OW . INTELLICSHCE. ACTIVITIES. “inst Os eva have physically assualted manbers of other oo, oe subversive groups in the Buffalo area. POSTAL =... Hiss Cook has indicated that you told ty ss hee that you were Interested attempts. |. ... by other: groups.te teke over the ¥VAM. oO oo Re this ever: happen? fi. ; ca “BASH oe ° Agaerding. to. inforeation provided: by © co . Miss Cook, the Revolutionary Unien .- (Chawaeterization. of which is contained in appendix hereto) was attempting to. binge ie the. VVAW. = oS iad datergsted an th oS pe “POSTAL Me Bhat is the Revoluttonary union? . MASH “| ghe Revolutionary Union is a Maoist 7 ee clo si) Subversive groups ae -_ posTan = Was the: Revolutionary ‘union atteapting -,:. ° ' -". t@ take over the Buffalo Chapter? DASH ce Aeoording | to Hise Cook, they were trying - So , . to take over chapters in several areas. eo - fF the country. and she said that they were | _..,, taking over the Hew York City chapter, oo however, XI cannot reeall specific attenpts to take over the Suffais chapter while .- I was handling Miss Cook. a ‘ postaL . ; pte the Revolutionary union ever take wie oo over the VVAN? LASH a ‘I cannot. answer that within the- seope | rs of this inquiry. POSTAL 7 Baie you ‘consider the WA to be. a oo et subversive organization? a oo LASH a oa of Yes oe an : : (POSTAL oe ‘De you ‘now anything + about: ‘“Cointelpro"?) “-pash  ) T eannot answer that. ‘within ‘the’ scope 7 De Ee ie this: 3 angadey | | HW 55085 DocId:32989542 Page 201. —
WITED STATES. SENATE SELECT COMMITYER ON PTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIE TITIES oo ” POSTAL as - Bid you ever use information provided | ae 7 by Mary Ja Cook in any cointelpro-tyss | fe . agtivities such as getting members of ye, .. | FWA fired from their jobs or " telling mo \ | SO . | the parents of neubers? =. o Las 7 Be I aia nots . : ‘posta oS pte you aver take any actions ogeinst | | po Hany Jo Cook or her family? 2 a a. RABE | No Ididnmot. é | b _ "postal : ". ee Did you ever engage in any dforuptive | 1 _ oo to soe neutralising action against the - Dae Ue o(Grgantzatton? . ASH - I engaged in ne ‘diaaptive activities... a oy oo ; vel novever, if I learned that. the geaanisation | an was planning senething illegal I woul ne Dp . alert the losal authorities and aufficient | |. fee police officers would appear at the scene to | Shoe 7 prevent trouble. I feel this heutralizes any | a Planned illegality by the VWAW. . B4a Hise Cook. ever provide you with, * walling lists of the organization? Hiss Cook. provided ae with any number of : Zists, whether they were deseribed as wailing Lista er. nenboreniy liste, re | Cannot recall. ; Do Did ahe ever provide you with an | contribution lists of the organization? Not that I. ean recall. Bid you aver tell her that you were interested in determining if the organization was neceiving ‘fends. fron _forekn ‘sources. | LAS# te i. 2 cannot _speciticaly recall telling postanh - Would you be interested in enewing - . _. Gf the VVA¥ was receiving funde from 7 foreign sources? | oe i. : Page 202°
; i A vot ke “UNITED STATES SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON | THEELLIGENCE. ACTIVITIES _ RASH. om LAS ‘ posTaL! POSTAL LASER POSTAL | LASH POSTAL ~~ POSTAL LAS? POSTAL ~~ LAsH AW 55085 Docld: 32989542 Yes z would. | Dad. you ever find out “that: the VAR Was | getting funds from foreign sources? - | He. ” hae’ ata you. de with the names that : were containad on these. lists? ft “would review the liste to deteraine | if there. was anything. significant eontained in them and a great dear of them I would do nothing with and merely . eturn the lists te Migs Cook. She ‘provided me with a lot of material that ft hed no interest in. “pla a ahe ever provide: ‘you with a 7 | . defense pamphlet? - Het that i ean recall | Did she ever give you any inforaation concerning YVAN defense strategies? | I believe she gave me.material such. as reprints ef articles from spezenology Today" and from a magazine called, - "Counter Spy" and other inforaation of J that nature, Did ahe tell gOu that | she - was working aa with the Attica. defense Comaittes? Yes. hat is; the Attica ‘Defense Conmnittee? ° Fe 4g an unbrella-type organization - in which individuals who are ee its defending Attica prisoners as wall as individwals seeking their own. onde. unre gotten together. — pte: Mies Cook ever indicate that the _ the Attica Sefense Committee and prisoners VVAW was a conduit of mail between | ats onder te eet" letters in and out of Page 2703 Jahi? I don't récatl haw’ saytag thats.
“URIZED STATES SERATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES POSTAL . - pid ghe ever talk about courtroom - . : ttacties or witnesses to be used Te > by. the Attica Sefanse Committee? “EASH = ss Nt that. T can ‘veeall POSTAL | pte: you ever give any. information she I . previded to the Attica prosecutors? LASH — Co Hone whatsoever . POSTAL a ae - Bia you aver give any kind ‘ef information | regarding the Attica Defense Coumittee: 2. te. others outeide the PRI? no 7 LAH os os ‘Y would pass on information eoncerning os .. °° @emenstrations, rallies. eté. to the Iotal authorities. (pOSTAL °° “*si«( «CMA. She ever talk about demonstrations ce . dn the courtroom itself? - LASH. i Rot that I can recall. POSTAL - Did she ever provide. logistical | _ type’ information concerning Attica denonstrations? | -LASH oe . Yes: ‘on..one Seeasion she was aven a. "parade marshal” at a denonstration. POSTAL was there ever any violence at Attica, a . ‘Befense Committes Remonstrations? —. LASH | On one occasion another group which was . parpehing in a demonstration planned to march out of: the parade and trash ‘the Chage Manhattan Sank in Buffalo provoking the pelice. This infornstion . was brought to the attention of the police and it did net occur. And ae T pesall, I also tolé Mary Jo Cook about this» Plan and might have prevented it from happening. POSTAL  . Are any of the individuals who are actually - _. . goanected with the defense of the Attica prisoners known to be violence-prone ., Andividualet. ; oe os Do a | HW 55085 Docld:32989542 Page 204
we 1 tee mw ae + * “." BEYPED STATES SENATE : Cs |, SELECT COMMEFTEE: OH aS . ash Teg fe - Sannot anawer that within the | scope _ Ho Of this: inquiry Boe oo pena. oe _ What wae the method of ner providing: et me you with reports?» . RASH rr: would provide.» 8. with . information - - a either fia pergon. or by ‘telephone, which “<. T' would dietate to'a stenographer, have — -. Bedueed: te writing and have her ‘sign. OO POSTAL. C0 pga ‘these reports. éontain. background  < a / Sakeraation Regarding’ individuals? | “posta that type’ of packground 5 infornation? | “uase °° = the “same ‘type I descrived before, physical — Po ae _ dartay place | of euployment , residence, ete. 4 OS BaBtAR eu oS peas she sive you foltew-up data. on thia me “ol Bagketound: information? - = - Me MAB I a péPson changed. his. pestaence a BO ee ea OI ‘employment. ‘ohe: would ‘tell me : oa Bid she nake conelusions in ‘her reporte? She ‘Peported. “tntépaation factually, ”” ~ ne waver,” I: believe: @he did make genclnetons 7) Sngeardine the. prapansity for violence... oe Endiviguals tn the; ‘organization. ° : oe) ee ee indieated. ‘that after: Be ville” OR a oe ge began to give “you Peperte wherein . J .g¢véral meetings would be reported in ©" one peport ££ these meetings concerned | ar) central Phene. :. ig: ‘his true? u . ke. best I ean’ veoall ; “Miss Cock’ gave ne. 2? | s@perts on’ each individual necting che’ i: : oy attended.) we, pia you! ever indiedte to Mice Cook. that “ow ‘had ‘specific. supettant for her from” . Weehin eton? EAS Fa sannot peeall “saying that. S. te 1a eee NW°S5085 DocId:32989542” Page 205 ~
ee Sea 4 i \* d “POSTAL 7 ‘LASH uy 4 1 (POSTAL 9 POSTAL. i :  LASH POSTAL W542 Page 207 -. luervep STATES SENATE | SELECT COMMITTEE oN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES, - provided te the attendecs at. conventions. — services? _ {ites Cook waa pata On @ 2 COD baste for" Mas she paid a salary? | | What determined the anount that: he was 7 paid monthly? 7 : and to pay appropriate taxes. . Yas she given any instructions on 1 how | sinilar amounts. Bas she instructed to pay -Aneone tax? . She was advised to treat all. money . 4 cannet recall ‘giving her any gpecific _ ,. instructions, hevever, if I had I would have Inetrudtad her te report it as ao 7 aelf-employnent, ‘Souething of. that. nature, Were these instructions to conceal. the ote faet that she was reesiving money. From - confidential Par funds? re es What vas the nature of: these docunents? _ Any number of decuments and handoute Ware ; of. these vere pamphlets deseribing WVAW activities, copies of YVAN newspapers, flyers concerning demonstrations . and activities, | in other VVAH chapters, ete. what wag rind method of payaent for Hiss. cook's t aforsation provided. She was paid on a monthly basis eon for. oer information provided. Inasmuch as she provided a good deal of information every |. gonth, she wac usually paid the maxicun . | anount permitted by PBI Readquarters,. = therefore nonthiy payments: often totaled she received from the Burcau as inaone : to report her inegad: from the FeI? migeellanecus. incone or incone from a an 2 :
“UNITED STATES SERATE ; : SELECT COMMITTEE ON. INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES ! LASH Re. this would. have been to eonceal re ' the facet that she was. an FRE informant. | POSTAL . i ‘pid you get Mary go Cook & Sob? a LASH a I aided her in’ fiading enploynent « POSTAL «=< (Ss nat ware the efroumstances? RASH oo Hiss Cook indicated’ that she was being ' evitieized by meshers of her group: fer being a “luspen proletariat*™ (PH) for net being gainfully employed. this ig a Marxist term for anyone ‘being aupperted by their parents — - op Belfare, ete. She. indicated that. it weuld be necessary fer her te find / @ jeb and I contacted a social aequaintancte of mine whe is employed by a Buffalo area bank, whe advised that the bank.is always leoking for tellers. . -. advised Mies Ceok to go te the hank. | ‘She did. and she got a Job ae a teller. FOSTAL | i Bh Mary Jo. Cook feel she was an ae Agent Provacateur? EASH Ne. On the contrary, I “Fee1 if anything ee oe _ she wan-a non-prevacateur since I. jnatructed her to act in such a way as to prevent any violent or illegal act that aight be dieseuseed in her presence. I think she understood this and acted in thie way. a POSTAL - Why did Mary Jo Cock act as an inforrant? BASH 700 Hary. Jo Cook wae an actual sember of the. ne : _. V¥AS as veall as being an informant for the ‘FBI. Sha reconciied this in her aind by feeling that she was providing . the FRE with information that was objective _ and true about the organization, as well as. _ preventing violent. individuals from taking over. the group, 7 POSTAL 9. What percentage of the group did you feel - So was vielence prone? _ LASH Be a do not. think t ean answer that. = 13.-. HW 55085. Docld:32989542 Page 208
YMITED STATES SENATE. | QELECT COMMITTEE oF | ERTELLIGEWCE. ACTIVITIES: POSTAL i You t cannot give, sone. approximation? RASH bel According te Miss Cook there were . oh S So ". - - . £adividuals who were not interested at all in. violence, as well as individuals who ware. .. dnterested in taking wp the gun and . fighting in. the streets ac a ‘defensive measure assuming that a vielent revolution would be started by the establishment... - There were also individuals who. were ‘.. dnterasted. in initiating vielence . thesselves _ to bring about their politieal geals.- 1. + What percentage of the group each of _. these factions represented, T cannot. Say. AYDEN 0 5 Could you “inddeate: * the ‘number of a ole oO, _.. wiolent activities thatthe VAY was .. involved in during the period: you ., handled Mary. Jo Cook? RABE SE ganna. pecall, YER hs “2 kame was it 2 or 287) | MASH Oe Between, 2. and. 28. OKAYDER ss Hay Jo. Cook indicated that the VWAW nanbore: e . - . +. = sana the most loving arid geod people she — . has yon baa: she ever indicate ‘that “Fo you? - “ KAYDEN ne tf she indicated that these people as Lo, oo. were so loving and good, how aid . -,. you Feel that they could engage in| - 5 aatr of violence. -. LASH ae I do not mean to he facetious, but o .,. 2 have read that the “Charles Manson _ family” in Califernia claim te love. - gach other and are very interested dn eecolegy and other good things. - . Rut I believe they certainly seen : to he capable of engaging. in violence. a HW55085. Docld:32989542. Page-209 9 * ee et
UNITED STATES SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE OM INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES FOSTAL. > Miss Cook indicates that she felt | re there ware other informants in the group. Bid you ever discuss other informants with her? LASE - . .. Qm one oecasion an individual came to Buffalo CF _ fom another part of Hew York state - whe. was suspected of being an informant. The: group wanted to take action against hin, however Mary Je Cook teld then they should take no action, but rather should - gheek with VVAW sembers in his home area to ‘determine if he was an informant. ae I believe at the time it was necessary. for me to ack her about thie situation Gmmediately after it happened and she therefore suspected ve had. other . informants in the organization. | . “posta oo. «—s—=«é«éd- yous indicate te her that if she _ : - were to-quit you would put other infornants dn the organization. whe would possibly not be as truthful about the VVAR oo ag ghe was? - . Oc uase- ews TF beldeve X did indicate this to her. ~ FOSTAL =i‘ A hho quit? Lo .. adghtmares and suffering actual physical afflictions due. to her fears of being oe , ae a@iscovered as an inforzant. “postan = «. =Ss*(t(“ («CSR has indicated that she has had “or, SS Yong politieal discussions with you | where you disagreed with her on LASH Yes, this is correct. _ an POSTAL -—«si“‘<é«‘st*é«Mat prompted these discussions? — oo LASH | tae She indicated on many occasions that SO as a member of the VVAW she was only © hearing political perepective from the - far left. She agked that I present her with an alternative perspective which IT attempted to do. If attempted | ' to point out that there are tum sides HW 55085 Docld:32989542 Page 210 0. 2° = is - "-
“  yareep Sraves senare SELECT COMMITTEE oN t . INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES AS  bASH (Coent.) POSTAL POSTAL . _LASH te every question. For example, — It recall on one cesasion she was told _. by the VVAW that Rethlehem Stee) in the Buffalo area had permitted a worker to die rather than shut down a hlast furnace after a vorker had fallen down into the furnace area. I checked | on this and told her that the true story was that the worker had had a fatal heart. attack hefore falling into the dangerous area and that immediately after his fall everything was shut down for his rescue. . Did she indicate te you that she was - especially concerned at Attica Prison? | Yee, she did. about the atrocities bid you aver indleate to her that you talked to someone who had been there and saic there wera no atrocities? ‘I indicated te her that I had talked to a physician who had been there after the rebellion had been put down who had told me that the individuals POSTAL LASER POSTAL _ LASH POSTAL LASH HW 55065 Docld: 32989542 | Page 211 he treated had been injured during the period the prison was in the hands of - the rebellious inmates and net during the suppression of the riot. - oid she ever discus political parties with you? _ The only thing I can recall is her telling me that at some tine in the future the VAY will be a grassroots seelalist party in the United States. mo Did she nention an individual nazed Martin Solestry (Pi)? - Be you mean Hartin Sestre? Who is he? . le is a prisen inwate I believe in Auburn Prison, ~~
APPENDIX VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR/ WINTER SOLDIER ORGANIZATION The Vietnam Veterans Against the War, formed in 1967 by Vietnam veterans to protest United States involve- ment in the war in Southeast Asia (changed name to Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Winter Soldier Organization (VVAW/ WSO) in 1973 to include non-veterans as members), has spon sored numerous anti-government demonstrations, some resulting in violence. The VVAW/WSO National Office (NO) and some key chapters are infiltrated and influenced by the militant Revolu- tionary Union (RU) organization, and VVAW/WSO leaders have told members that VVAW/WSO is a revolutionary organization, not "just another group of war veterans.’ The current Marxist-Leniniste Maoist oriented NO, which promotes education of the membership in Marxist-Leninist-Maoist doctrine and directs the organization into political growth along the same lines, has at VVAW/WSO National Steering Committee Meetings (scm) , in 1974, portrayed VVAW/WSO as a mass anti-imperialist organization and a vanguard of the revolution eventually created by the masses. VVAW/WSO leaders voted at the December, 1974 NSCM to align VVAW/WSO with the RU, which organization follows a strict Maoist line designed to bring about violent revolution in the United States. ; DEL APPENDIX 2 * ‘AW 355065 Bocld:329899542 Page 213 reo?
APPENDIX REVOLUTIONARY UNION _ The Revolutionary Union (RU), founded in early 1968 in the San Francisco Bay area, is a militant semi- covert Marxist-Leninist revolutionary organization ideologically oriented towards the People's Republic of China and the teachings of Chairman MAO Tse~-tung. Its objectives as set forth in its theoretical publication, “The Red Papers," and in its monthly newspaper, "Revolution," are the development of a united front against imperialism, ? the fostering of revolutionary working class unity and leadership in struggle, and the formation of a communist party based on Marxism-Leninism-MAO Tse-tung thought, leading ~~ to the overthrow of the United States Government by force and violence. Members of the RU have been identified as ° collecting weapons while engaging in firearms and guerrilla warfare training. As of July, 1974, RU national headquarters was located in Maywood, Illinois. APPENDIX MW 55085" Docid:32989542 “Page 214 | ~ .
FD;36 (Rev. 2-14-74) | ie an Y e \. . \ Date: 11/26/75 Transmit the following in \ (Type in plaintext or code) / AIRTEL Yor eaferer ja : | 1 (Precedence) DIRECTOR, FBI (62-116395) Ke, PHILADELPHIA (66-6690) lf Ve (pus exon (I eD ™ TION “I CONTAIN . ALL IKFORMAT FIED consnor( Gensx0pr 75 reneN esl BY LN ATE t At 27 Enclosed for the Bureau are the original and two copies of an LHM reflecting generally the circumstances and content of testimony furnished by SA NEIL P. SHANAHAN N\A to the staff of the above styled Senate Select Committee . i on 11/21/75. For the information of "the Bureau, this testimony under oath was handled in a very relaxed but formal atmosphere, during which SA SHANAHAN was advised of his constitutional rights and not in any way pressured or harassed by the interviewers. Mr. SHANAHAN was sworn prior to answering questions but was advised that his testimony would be notarized under oath following the completion of the interview. Following the interview, the stenographer accompanied Mr. SHANAHAN to a notary public, who administered an oath and effected \ a swearing for the record. G fi \ ST, 115} Sn CA L275 _ pages a bd TE J: Bureau (62-116395) (Encl. 3) (RM) aan ~ Philadelphia (66-6690) J NPS:PAM (3) Jet fs CE fu ioe ch SIRE 1afA7s” E.< Approved: Sent MCORP Special Agent in Charge AN 28 1976 =“ 5085 Docld:32999542 Page 215 200 =]
CS “Nano 76.4918 HW 55085 oare 4 + UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION In Reply, Please Refer to File No. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania November 26, 1975 | UNITED STATES SENATE SELECT Teerriis Aes COMMITTER TO STUDY GOVERNMENTAL cei OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO “etl INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: GARY THOMAS ROWE At 11:00 a.m., November 21, 1975, Special Agent NEIL P, SHANAHAN of the Philadelphia Division of the FBI was interviewed under oath by two staff members of the above styled committee in the O14 Senate Office Building in Washington, D.C. Present during the interview and doing most of the questioning was Mr. ROBERT KELLY, and Mr. JOHN BAILEY, who identified themselves as staff members of the Senate Select Committee (SSC). Prior to any questioning, it was explained by Mr. ROBERT KELLY that SA SHANAHAN would be testifying voluntarily and that he had a right to be represented by counsel if he so desired. Also prior to any questioning, Mr. KELLY explained that he had previously interviewed GARY THOMAS ROWE, a former confidential informant for the FBI and would be asking questions prompted by information furnished to him by Mr. ROWE. After responding to questions of a general informative nature, such as when SA SHANAHAN handled Mr. ROWE, and the general dates of Mr. SHANAHAN's employment and assignments with the FBI, certain specific areas were covered and recalled by SA SHANAHAN as follows: This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. iy _ jJoekl , / : 2¢ / : “ Docld:32989542 Page 216 bw . Uy , w F 3
HW 55065 . INTELLIGENCER ACTIVITIES (SSC) UNITED STATES SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE TO STUDY GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO A question was asked concerning activities taken by SA SHANAHAN upon reteipt of information from Mr. ROWE that the Ku Klux Klan was going to immediately engage in some form of violent activity. SA SHANAHAN responded that upon receipt of such information, it was immediately reported to his superiors, and evaluated to determine what immediate action, such as dissemination to lecal authorities, etc., was required. A question was asked in this area directly on the issue of whether anyone in the FBI instructed Mr. ROWE to engage in any violent activities. Mr. SHANAHAN responded that at no time did he, or anyone else to his knowledge, instruct Mr. ROWE to engage in any violent activity. In fact, he was often instructed to avoid engaging in violent activity. At one point in the interview, Mr. JOHN BAILEY asked questions concerning whether SA SHANAHAN could express his opinion as to the morality or ethics involved in certain activities which Mr. ROWE had reported.that he had engaged in. This question was re-phrased several times by Mr. BAILEY because of SA SHANAHAN's repeated statements that he did not understand the extent of the information sought by Mr. BAILEY. Another critical areaci questioning dealt with a statement made by Mr. ROWE that at some time during the trials of three members of the Ku Klux Klan, for killing Mrs. VIOLA LIUZZO, he had advised Mr. JOHN DOAR, Assistant Atterney General, that they had been introducing testimony from one Mr. LEROY MOTON, who was identifying himself under oath as the man present in the automobile with Mrs. LIUZZO when she was shot. Mr. ROWE had advised Mr. DOAR that Mr. MOTON was not the same man who was in the auto with Mrs. LIUZZO when she was shot. In response Docld: 32989542 Page 217
The attached correspondg oe was forwarded to _to the Director p by the D oe" of Justice. | UNITED STATES GOVERN TNL » Comp. fysh Ext. Lies 7 Memorundum = : TOS > Richard Thornburgh, Assistant ; pate: Nov. 26, “Attorney General, Criminal Division ; J. Stanley Pottinger, Assistant ae aa ; oes Labor. FROM : Attorney General, Civil Rights Division Plan, «val Spee. Juv. B | Edward H. Levi S 0 tel Trois ¢ Aye | SUBJECT: It SED ¢ Legal Con o F J Attorney General quit TORAION CEN | Pelep oe RYU Se Testimony before Congressional. Sommittee regarding the FBI. C= > : Qeritity ~ 73) - 2 As you know, both the Senatc~and-Hduse ‘of Representatives Select Committees on Intelligence Activities are hearing pub- “Ibe -testimotiy-concerning the FBI and involving some matters which were previously investigated by the Criminal Division. Although the Criminal Division‘may be doing this already, I would appreciate it if you would have this testimony reviewed to determine whether any investigation should be reopened or “ id wants any new investigations initiated. ae Kou ES € I am particularly concerned about the recent allegatiby regarding FBI activity directed against Martin Luther King { }because I am advised that some or all of them were not incited in the Department's investigation of "Cointellpro.” I woul like both of your Divisions to participate actively in this review and any reopened or new investigation. Payuek: @ Please keep me advised of any allegations or information ‘in the testimony which might provide a basis for reopening or initiating an investigation. | wo Aocecton, FBI Deputy Attorney General ence Michael Shaheen ‘ ie EGUCSEY . sept | wat M& Weert, A;4 p } Kero rete t “J precy N ae 4 7 8G 7s | lk “oes mF: N29 1976 Buy U.S. Savings Bonds Regularly on the Payroll Savings Plan | 8010-410 HW. 55085,-.Docld:32989542,.Page.219. he eam os