JFK Assassination System Identification Form ; Agency Information AGENCY: FBI RECORD NUMBER: — 124-10278-10340 RECORD SERIES: HQ AGENCY FILE NUMBER: 92-6054-771 wl Document Information ORIGINATOR: FBI FROM: SAC, PH TO: DIRECTOR, FBI TITLE: DATE: 10/01/1964 ‘ PAGES: 21 SUBJECTS : LCN, MEMBERS, TRANSCRIPT, CONVERSATION, COMMISSION DOCUMENT TYPE: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMEN CLASSIFICATION: — Unclassified RESTRICTIONS: 4 CURRENT STATUS: — Redact DATE OF LASTREVIEW: 06/26/1998 OPENING CRITERIA: INDEFINITE COMMENTS : INC MEMO ne v9.1 Docld: 32301505 Page 1
ee sig te ee FD-36 (Rev. 5-22-64) fo FBI Date: = OCT 1964 | | | | { | | | | | | | Transmit the following in : : . (Type in plaintext or code) | AIRTEL REGISTERED MAIL Via — {0 : (Priority) TO: ""Direetor, FBI (92-6054) ° ope" SAC; Philadelphia (92-1027) | ae. . | . | SUBJECT: Ca LA COSA NOSTRA, aka 7 AR;CONSPIRACY . . 0O:New York) me, Enclosed for the Bureau and «ich office with "Commission|"' 4 members is one copy of a verbatim transcript of a conversation between ROCCO SCAFIDI and JOHN CAPPELLO, capodecina, Philadelphia Family, La Cosa Nostra, in which CAPPELLO defines the "Commission", identifies some of the members, etc. The conversation mentions JOSEPH BONANNO but does not | touch on BONANNO's problems with the Commission. gr Fe j sticuostres “é @ - Buredi’ (92-6054) (RID (Enc. 1) BBD gp 2 - New York (92-2300 (RM) (Enc. 1) . f a 2 ~- Buffalo (92-377) (RM)(Enc. 1) GD -- oS of. CTY / 2 - Pittsburgh (92-599XRM) (Enc. 1) * me 2 ~ Newark (92-1203) (RM) (Ene. 1) ee en 3 - Philadelphia a 2 - 92-1027 oe 1 OCT 2 1964 aan lL - 137-4049 Sub B JRP: ARM ig wae _ Approved; fe _ Sent _. MM Per DoclId: 32301505 Page 2?
PH 137-4049 Sub B Information enclosed in parenthesis is explanation of the meaning of the conversation as explained by source to fully identify persons mentioned and to indicate portions that are not audible or garbled. On 9/24/64 C: What? S3 About 1:30 we were over there, nothing happened . Ci Did you go see ANGE? 8: I went to see him last night, and I told him, C: ‘Where did he go? | S: I don't know. “And I told hin. So, for next week, he better go see him and straighten out. Cr Yeah, bUtecee (Good morning, JOHNNY. Stranger speaks ~ | to CAPPELLO). . | 8: Yeah. We were there until 1:30 and the guy didn't show up. I ain't got no luck. (Aside to unidentified person, SCAFIDI says, "How you doing, buddy?" Customers come and go during the conversation. Conversation in CAPPELLO's store, Ninth and Fitzwater Streets, Phila-~ delphia). Ci. What do you want, a quart or a gallon? (CAPPELLO talking - ‘to customer in his store). Si ° Don't worry, JOHNNY. I'd have been here. | You: know that. Cc: I was worried, I swear to God. I even called him yesterday. I mean. Statec-~! don't know. ~But what I don't know don't hurt me. Corp $3 - Relax. You know I would have been here and wet your palm, buddy. I'm not that way. (SCAFIDI and FRANK ' MONTE attempted to hold up a "Jewish Guy" on night of 9/21-22/64. They remained until 1:30a.m.,°9/22/64 waiting for the man to show. The intended victim cashes checks‘ and carried large sums of money on his ~ - 2 - | DoclId: 32301505 Page 4
PH 137-4049 Sub B person. He didn’t show at his usual place, CAPPELLO had been told by SCAFIDI if he had made good he would have given CAPPELLO some of the money.) Regardless, JOHNNY, you know I'm not that hungary because Cc: No; I wasn't thinking of that. S: I went to see GNATZ (IGNAZIO DENARO, under boss La Cosa Nostra, Philadelphia, ANGELO BRUNO, Boss, La Cosa Nostra (LCN), Philadelphia, arid Commission _ Member, departed for Miami night of 9/23/64, so IGNATZ is in charge until BRUNO returns) yesterday. I said, did FRANK come and see you? He said not yet. He'll be over. It would have been nice, I would have paid TONY off. , C: But you see, he should have went and seen him, being that you went down. That's why I told you. Did you get in touch with him (MONTE) any time? (FRANK MONTE should have reported his attempted holdup activity to DENARO like SCAFIDI did). 8:3 No, I couldn't see him. C: Maybe, because....was with you, you know, he'd figure, what the (obscene) is he doing with you.... S: Well, I got him protected too. C: Huh? | ; Si. I got him protected too. I wanted GNATZ to think that ee he didn't do it. I want to wait until he talks to you. See. I'm waiting to see him. See why the guy didn't show up. It's funny the guy didn't show up. Cr Oh, he wasn't with you, FRANK? S: ' Yeah, we both. He was on the corner, I was on the side. The guy didn't show up. There is something funny there. _ He's there every Tuesday. All the people were waiting for him at the luncheonette to cash some checks. No luck. (Customer intervenes here about steaks). It would all have been allright, JOHNNY.... I went to see my . _ brother (SAM SCAFIDI, also member LCN) yesterday, and thought I was' going to... ~~? DoclId: 32301505 Page 5
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PH 137-4049 Sub B Cs Look, I mean, that's who I was going to go see. I said that, you know. S: But it didn't work out. Didn't pan out, Cc: But, ah, beings that I, ah. I called him and he said hefll (tell me?) the next time I cali him. Not that I want him to thin’ that I know, because the less I. know the better off I am. You understand what I . Mean? I'm not concerned or anything---=+s=<a case of washing my hands. It just happened that you told me, and it was an (honest ? garbled here). S: ANG (ANGELO BRUNO). He'll be out of town anyway... You have to go see him now....see GNATZ. Cs . Who? S3 What do you have to go see GNATZ for: See ANG, it's better, ain't it? C: I don't know. ‘I don't want to be involved. GNATZ told you to go see him (MONTE). (DENARO told SCAFIDI to have MONTE come see DENARO). S: Yeah, well, if I catch him, I'll take him up there with. Me « Cz. It won't hurt anyway. GNATZ will want to see him. Right is right. See the boss through channels. We're lucky we got == boss like this. When the other guy was boss. You seen hir once in three years, S: I sem him yesterday. C: _ Who was that, JOE IDA? Ss Of, I mean MIG (ANTONIO POLLINA). I saw him yesterday. (ANGELO BRUNO replaced POLLINA as "boss" in LCN - JOE IDA was "boss" prior to POLLINA). C: Yeah. I mean JOE IDA. You used to see him once every | three years. See, here he had to go-+--here, there. He'd say he's busy now. And then you'd never see him. = yom DoclId: 32301505 Page
PH 137-4049 Sub B Oh, this guy (ANSELO BRUNO) runs around. He is always around, but if he was in Trenton, when the (obscene) would you see him too? You can't beat~him. You can't beat him. I even told my brother, you ask him. He said, if I get it, you'll get it. I said, I ain't hungry. As long as I get enough for nyself and pay my pills and a few left over, I said, Oh, I-wouldn't leok at it that way No, but, JOHNNY, you know me. I'm not money hungry. You helped me out. f don’t forget. I was worried. I just was worried. Yeah, I don't blame you. You know, I know youse were supposed to. I read the Paper the next day. I didn't see anything. If only they (wouldn't have?) called the police. Although you had told me that, see. So, I called him. Agents? (Car passed, SCAFIDI asked if it was ‘Agents. CAPPELLO says sure). Sure. ‘Want to go up there and see him this week? This week is Thursday already. I shouldn't go on a weekend. It should be like on a Monday or Wednesday. Oh. We will make it definitely Monday or Something. Let's get moving on this. All right. Make it Tuesday. I'll call him and tell him we're coming Tuesday night. DoclId: 32301505 Page & na oe ee — -