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TOP SECRET oe | | | oe Che uited ‘outs ate RQ e13 ts ae it \ ‘Report of Proceedings: 7 aly i ' ye Hearing held before qa! i We - Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental. ; me ; a Operations With Respect} to Intelligence: Activities i : } 4 : . ips -7 \ am | | i . "Thursday, March 2 25, 1976: Washington, D. Cc a (Stenotype Tape. and Waste turned’ over to the Committee for destruction). if : WARD. & PAUL. : = | - : . 410 FIRST. STREET, S. E. ee | WASHINGTON, D. C. 20008: (202) 544-6000 TOP SECRET “HW 50955 Docld:32423521 Page 3 | || NABEONAI: SECURETY=: INFORMATTO! | Unauthorized Disclosure Subjece--| to Criminal Sanctions: a a - 4 2 f a Wb cabaret Minne 9 By . we vBabtlehdndledi iAacbsctheteats €
and as 1 a COMMITTEE MEETING 2 -=— - ar,’ ae Thursday, March 25, 1976 , re pi: 4 pom oo 5 hi . United States. Senate, . 6 a = Select Committee .to Study Governmental ‘| - van . : Operations with Respect to 8 , Ae Intelligence Activities, 9 h Washington, D. C. 10 The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:43 o'clock dup ll D.m., in Room S-407, the Capitol, the Honorable Frank Church 12 |\(Chairman) presiding. fl | 13 Present: Senators chukch (presiding), Mondale, Huddleston, 14 |Hart of Michigan, Morgan, ‘Hart of Colorado, Tower, Mathias, il Ay hi 15 |Baker and Schweiker. 1 16 > Also present: Willian! 'G. Miller, Staff Director; Frederick Le _ . . - f 17 |A- O. Scwharz, ivi, Chief; Counsel; and Charles Kirbow, “18 lizabeth Culbreath, Michael Madican,- Charles ‘Lombard, William 19 ader, Ted Rolson, Burt Wides, Walter Ricks, Rick Inderfurth, 20 ohn Bayly; David Aaron, Elliot Maxwell, Joseph Dennin, 21 argaret Carpenter, Martha, alley, Paul Wallach and Jim 292 ohnston, Professional Staff Members. } ; 7 : 23 a Hh 24 ‘ 29 “Toe SECRET WARQ & PAUL HW 50955 Docld:39493591 Page 4 :
HY 0955 10 ll 12 13 14. 15 16 1? “12 19 20 ‘21 22 23 24 25 Docld:324949521 Page 5 “| i! " i The Chairman. We will soon have a quorum. Why don't : i to do with academics. | My understanding is that this recommendation has been are redrafted along the lines, as it now stands it calls] institution to be informed, to be so informed. There is a choice in: the latter case in informing him TOP SECRET | ; )CEEDINGS we begin with the Recommendation No. 43 on page 77, having Le before he is paid or informing him before he leaves the U.S. Will you explain that to Re, please? Mr. Aaron. In the ‘course of our discussion about the recruitment of students off campuses, there were two cate- ‘ students that might be involved. To take the second one first, the. Committee received it be gories of concern. one jas for the integrity of the institu- tions themselves, and the} second was, in turn, for the of the Committee's recommendations, ‘and for the CIA academics and the and: for any student being recruited: testimony that| students recruited as agents for the CIA TOP SECRET : t i WARD & PAUL
10 11 le 13 14 (15 16 1? . 18 19 20 (el | 22 23 RA 25 HW 50955 Concern was expressed by the Committee in . considering | | this testimony that this. y u once he discovered ‘might be rather severe for the student Or should if | fi | ! in eet: ' That second proviso, } el H mh pitch and recruit a student as an agent, but you must, then, in effect says that we do.that, when you really Hit tl ah ring him into an operational may when you relation should be so informed and not ship with the Agency, he ¢ brought into this sort of -- at the time that that relationship is established? on each-of those might not be reasonable. Docld: 32423521 t \ 4 yay The Chairman. Let's igo off the record. h. (Discussion off thel record.) ioe the question that I have on this recommen- The Chairman. dation is why shouldn't. bie foreign student béing recruited Sry SCRE by the CIA be informed of nis relationship with the CIA : \ “Why do you condition lit upon payment or leaving the well, many, many initial contatt's that do not advance maybe much country? "Senator Huddleston. I was going to say there are further than that, and for the CIA to have to be-- exposed maybe : aa - | What .we have tried to do is to make the wittingness be known about the time that ‘To? SECRET WARD & PAUL Page 6 ' |
10 ‘Ul 12 13 14 15 16 1? 18 19 20 21 22 (23 24 29 HY 50955 Bocgid: -his own . country or: perhaps someplace else, but the commitment and» ‘use both of these, an either/or. he is. given payment of. 4 The Chairman. Which. do you: ‘think the Committee should adopt of these two ort: ee Mr. Aaron. “Actually; one could use both of: these. I thin the point is that the danger to the student, if there is any, | comes when he. leaves thé) Unitea States, either to return to wie) . ( or involvement which ought: to be witting really needs to come i . when he starts being paid, when he becomes in fact, or has , i. ‘ . ; a real relationship with the Agency. You could really establis both standards, because Le might well be that he could leave ae a the country but not have yet been paid, and not really have me a relationship that wat Moen more than kind of an asso-~ ciation or an option, something of that character. The Chairman. wer! nat is the will of the Committee ETE iy aN as to these two options? | . . . . eq bog Senator Huddleston. Well, ‘this represents a distillation of what we have been proposing as Senator. Mondale develops alae for us, I believe, and I, would move that we adopt this report, ~ a 1 i | 4 a U The Chairman. Whichéver comes first, huh, @ither before Lk i kind or leaves the United States, : ! Would that be satisfactory to the Committee? l in whichever may occur first ye Me TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL 4235271 Page 7
HW 50955 are 12 12 13 14 15 16 17 18° 19 20 el 22 - 23 24 25 1 decision of the Committee,, 9 | i: i ayy TOP SECRET : : i i. { i “All right. Without! bjection, What else do you have? Mr. Aaron. We have two other recommendations. Senator Hart of Colorado. Mr. in opposition to this? The Chairman. Yes, as in opposition. if ae of oh | ts then, Chairman, that will be. the I be recorded So Senator Hart of Colorado is recorded Mr. Madigan. Senator, there is a proxy in opposition as Z ; well. opposition as well. Senator Mathias. I. a very strong: proxy that! at the last meeting. Mr. Kirbow. Against a i . Senator Mathias. | rl I feel his position ought to be noted. The Chairman. Very | f ie We move then to Recommendation 45 on page 78. de Mr. ‘Aaron. We attem ‘I, as we were instructed, I id t i The: Chairman. Senator ‘Baker wants to be recorded in. at L ‘W it Hal yee ould, I think Senator Goldwater had read into the record on this subject restricting any use of academics. Jon't have a proxy with him today, but lwell, then, with those particular A i {: Hi - approve the amended Recommendation No. ‘believe. 43, reservations.made part ‘of the record, the Committee will pted’ to redraft this along the lines As it came out, it ‘would. prohibit the subsidy of any Top SECRET Docta: 324295521 Page & WARD & PAUL
HW 50955 | publication, film, or vi ' to.the CIA. ; ue ‘Docld:32423521 Page 9. TOP SECRET —_s«Cs: vag writing, publication, dis or its territories, of. 'an if | the writing of a. book, ev vt United States, to be ‘publ or any such materials from being published within the United mt States, even if they were Now, that may be too | Committee intended, and i here, to get a better _ { to accomplish. | fal” ‘ ite a AS I understand. it is possible that what. ~ any. writing, publicatida| for distribution in the United States type would have been. the appro opriate formulation for this, and if that is correct, we can. Senator Morgan. my | | nt an The Chairman. why | that by statute the CIA the writing or productisil i. if If that To! Mr. » Aaron. | re ety a It has been pointed out that this formulation would prevent ft i so. therefore we wanted to raise this _ " nent de tribution within the United States y book, magazine, article and so forth. en ina foreign language, within the r ished abroad and- aistributed abroad, | distributed abroad. restrictive and go beyond what the i érstanding of ‘what we were attempting eee we were -- it was not clear, but the Committee had in mind was that make a very easy fix. wouldn't it? ‘wouldn't it accomplish it if we say. should be prohibited from subsidizing or distribution within the United of’ any book, magazine, article, eo or audio tape unless attributed dare of it? is what the Committee intends, that © SECRET | WARD & PAUL eT,
1 || would take care of it. zi]. . Senator Mondale. licly attributed. re) Mr. Aaron. “Public! 4 Senator Huddleston. liphat is getting at what really we 6 | The Chairman. AL the balance of 45, “nor should 5 || are trying to do. 7 the CIA be permitted to 0} Rdertake any activity to accomplish - u ne . | 8 indirectly such distribution within the United States or its 9 || territories.. . a LO Well, I think that felows and should be a part of it. f “11 Very well. 7 : 12 Senator Mathias. ae Chairman, I wonder, while we are in 13 | this area, if you could refresh my recollection, whether dea at 15 || grantees. ; Pauli . on 14 || "grantees" in No. 44 4 applies to both foreign and ‘American ip 16 Mr. Bader. Yes, i ‘would,;. Senator, under this language, 1? because. the Fulbright program or the -~ such -government~ sponsor a. ep ~18 programs to include, too; | include foreigners. As I understood 19 it from the discussion of. ithe Committee, ‘the intent here was 20 || to ensure ‘that public funds that were publicly devoted to Jf ' glia specific purpose were $0 spent and that was the issue that: de 22) was involved here, me 25 programs be kept to ediicational programs and not to be used» BA operationally. But the language here would certainly include appropriated funds for educational t 8 i j TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL... £5 || foreigners.. BW 50955 Docld:3274273521 Page 10
HW 50955 10 ll 12 130 14 15 16 17 18 19 - 20 el ane 23 24 25 | Docld: from showing it, but it should ‘not be done under CIA auspices purpose of being shown in. this country. €ilm." - dE i TGP SECRET | i | '8 'Mr. Maxwell... ital) v would this prohibit the use of any individual person who is sponsored by an. educational or cultural program, although not fully funded by the Federal Government? ol Senator Tower. This is a question I wanted to ask. Could one of our networks pick up a portion of a film . Vo ! broadcast abroad By the CIA and run it as part of a documentary to show what. they are doing and that kind of thing? “The Chairman. I think the way it has been modified that is nota problem. This says "by statute the CIA should be prohibited from subsidizing writings,” or production. hho dd. Senator Tower. That % what I mean, you are not precluded | or government auspices. ' t____-_ 7 The Chairman. Andj|i ‘should not. be written for the ' Senator Tower. vee. | Mr. Aaron. Nor under. the indirect clause, I think, nor should the CIA. go to CBS and say “weve got this wonderful iy . tp '. The Chairman. Using [a network for the purpose of bringing it back. That would be | an: indirect. way, and that would be wron also. Senator Tower. I understand, yes. The Chairman. Well, ‘then, if everybody understands the TOP SECRET ‘ , , WARD & PAUL 433521 Page it
1 SECRET tt if TO! i i. 1 way we have recommended, tr e change in “45, withcut objection 2 || the Committee approves it. Sf Let us go, then, to the next subject, the structural 4 4 changes, ‘the role of the ber on page 61. 5 '" Mr, Aaron. I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. We have one other f 6 question, that would be. Recommendation 47. The Committee v] agreed to extend -- a 8 | Mr. Kirbow. Excuse me, Mr. Aaron. Senator Mathias's 9 | question was on recommendation 44, 10 ‘Phe Chairman. Were you satisfied with the answer? lL i Senator Mathias. well, the question that was left 12 floating was what about.a student who. is in a program which is” 13 | primarily funded by some private institution, although there “4A may be some small element: =~ 15 |] Mr. Maxwell. For instance, any major university that 16 sponsored an individual coming under 44, which receives a bo Co, 17 | Federal Government funds, might be barred under a broad 18 | reading of 44, and itemight be helpful to make that intentc 19 || clearer in 44, if that jis a concern of the Committee. . Vey 20 Mr. ‘Aaron. I think. this goes to the grantee as opposed 21 | to the institution. | | — , | ° 99 - Now, if it is true’ +> 23 | | “the Chairman. re is the grantee that is receiving D4 ‘funds. | : . 25 Mr. Aaron. If you. have a grantee receiving funds from Top SECRET HW 50955 Docld: 30493521 .Page i2 oo : WARD & PAUL
THe SECRET i (kl . 1 more than one source, then he receives them from more than one 2 source, but if he is a grantee of a Federal program -- 5 Mr. Maxwell. But the problem is receiving funds through 4 educational and/or cultural prograns. 5 For instance, if he were totally funded by the University 6 of Maryland, which received ‘financial support from the United 7 States Government, arguably he is covered by that. Te is| not 8 that he is receiving Federal grants. I think that is the 9 intention. 10 Mr. Aaron. It should be o.5. Government educational = : a ‘ll Mr. Bader. Would that help? le The. Chairman. cheoagh educational and/or cultural 13 programs sponsored by AL ‘United States Government. Wouldn't 14] that take care of it? it | 15 "Senator eoaaeston!| ne. grantees who are receiving 16 directly from the united States Government or through education L 17 | or cultural programs supported by the United States Government. 18 The ‘Chairman. Sponsored by. 19 Senator Huddleston.’ Well, in other words, whether he is “20 getting them directly himselé asa grantee, or whether he is 21 receiving them from an educational program that is itself 22 supported by the Federal Government. 23 Senator Mathias. i|Gon' t want to prolong this, but what 24 about a program which ig|really directed right at this area 25 which has been referred to, the armed services military TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL HW 50955 Docld: 32473521 Page 13
nd il gin ]2 HW 50955 10 11 12 || 43 14 ois 16 1? 4g 19 20 al | pe 235 24 25 Docld:324273591_— Page 14 ll educational operate? Mr. Bader. I'm sorry, sir? Mr. Aaron. Well, let me see if, I understand the different examples. The student leader grant or the. political leader grant that the State Department has where they bring foreigners to the United States toll & period of time, presumably to acquaint them with the country ‘and what have you, under this Language those people while on the grant would be immune from being recruited by the CIA. This doesn't mean that they couldn't recruit them at. some other point in their careers, but that during the period of that grant they would not be in effect brought. here and! used for that purpose. That is, I ye think, part of the intent | of this particular provision. Senator athias. Let ne give you another example. Say you have an Iranian naval officer who comes over here to i | i ae ‘ Fort McNair. . ‘Is he fair game? “Mr. Miller. That is not educational or cultural. It. would be military. Senator Huddleston. I believe if he were going through the War College -- Senator Tower. If he were going through the National War College, how do you classify that? Senator Mathias. . Hp come come to the industrial base “or civilian -- Top SECRET WARD & PAUL
TOP SECRET 12 | Mr. Kirbow. He could go to. the Industrial College or the \ ' i War College. | Senator Schweiker. Can you exclude military training? Senator Mathias. I don't know. I don't know what you want. Senator Huddleston, We are training a lot of them or | we entertain a lot of them. Senator Schweiker. it seems to me you have to put some proviso about military training in there. “The Chairman. Well, it depends upon what the policy shoul be. TI had thought the attempt here was to immunize any foreigngr | | who comes here ona pEogyan sponsored by the Government of the United States and receives a grant for that program, to immunize him during that period from being recruited by the ft CIA. : SS | ; Senator Schweiker. |Well, if he is here for military purposes, then we know it is a military relationship, I would ‘think that is suspect. | 7 — 7 ae og The Chairman. Would you want him subject to recruitment? — Senator Schweiker. Well, if he comes over here militarily) you are so close to him, what is the difference? . , (Mr, Aaron. Well, I: ‘think the point of the prohibition really is this, that these programs are created for one particular purpose. vhey: are considered by the Congress for’ that particular purpose and the funds are voted for that TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL ‘HW 50955 Docld:3 4253521. Page i545
HY 0955 10 ll ile 13 14 15 | 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 BS 24 20 25 Bocld: 495591 Page 16 IGP SECKE! 7 7 particular purpose. | If: the programs are then used ‘for another purpose by the Government, that was considered and suggested that that second purpose’ should not be used. Now, if you want: to; exempt certain categories here and. say, well, the military : is a different thing, you can do that. You can find a way to express that. The Chairman. Well, it could be done. If you want to recruit foreign military officers, we can bring them over to put them through the War College. Mr. Miller. What other training? Senator Huddleston.) Well, we have a steady stream at Fort Knox, Kentucky of military people. I don't know what kind of training. Most of them are, of course, are from. friendly nations to start with. I don't know, oe military. Once a person puts on a uniform, he becomes fair game in a number of ways. He gives up a lot of protections that civilians have. | Senator Schweiker. “You allow-him to recruit: -- under other policies here we allow them to.recruit foreign military ar - officers because I think that's an even more valid relationship. than the students, but! I make it clear that what we don't want. to do, which is to abort our honest to goodness cultural’ exchange and other programs. Phe Chairman. This’ could be done by saying "By statute the CIA should be prohibited from using operationally grantees TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL programs is much clearer. Top SECRET WARD & PAUL
HY “OOS 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 1? “18 19 “20. 22 23 24 29 Doold:3 we find some. way -- a — TOP SECRET 15 af Senator Schweiker., (Can we talk about Defense and military training programs at the sane 1 time? It seems to me that's the criteria, bringing’ a guy over here and educating him on defense and military must be. to the = advantage of our military, so you know what. ‘the relationship is to begin with. You are not unwittingly using. the guy. You are pretty witting. If the guy goes to) the american War College, he is pretty fair game. : . The Chairman. You can write an exception for the American War College and all of the military and civilian personnel . receiving training under| the auspices of the United States - armed services who are fair game. (General laughter.)|. | Senator Huddleston, Except I.agree with Dave, that is a little awkward to zero in.on this particular group. Couldn't Mr. Kirbow. Mr. Chairman, I think it is not intended a, this. apply only to foreign students coming this way, you : include all American students going in the other direction, - or under any other grant. i Mr. Aaron. The intention of the provision initially, as. — | | oo | oe a matter of fact, its primary effect was for American students — traveling abroad. Senator Tower. Well, I see no problem with that. I know ‘LI. don' t have the votes here, but -= ' TOP SECRET 427553771 ‘Page 17 WARD & PAUL
iW DECK 16 i The Chairman. Which part do you have? : | - 2: Senator Tower. well, not being able to use American 5 students abroad on some grant. to gather intelligence, when 4 || most of the people the damned Soviets send over here on these 5 cultural exchanges are really clued into the government 6 program, indoctrinated . and briefed thoroughly before’ they get 7 | here. I am not going to tie our hands like that. The rest 8 of you can, but I'm not: [doing to. 9 _ Iwill write a vigorous dissent on that. 10 |. Senator Morgan. May T make a comment on that? ll I'm inclined to agree, and I'm also inclined to agree 12 || that we are going so far |in our foreign intelligence that _ | yo _ . 13 || we are endangering the ‘whole report, so you make that kind of 14 | an argument on the floor a the Senate on this and on two or tle t 15 || three other things. Tim} not picking at any of them. I am 16 just sort of accepting the recommendations of the Subcommittee, 17 “put my reaction has” been that maybe 1 we are getting a little i 18 || bit. so far afield that | ‘wel may endanger the acceptance of our - 19 | whole report. 20 _ The Chairman. . Senator Huddleston? 21 1 ' Senator fuadieston. I would just say this, that the | 20 “Subcommittee has been cognizant of that situation. I think it ane 23, || because of that that sone of these recommendations are. » already Hh, 24 softer than some of us; Fouans | would be appropriate, and this 25 | is one of the fields. There was a considerable amount of support TOP SECRET . WARD & PAUL BY 50955 Docld:3242935231 Page 16
‘TOPSECRET 1 of the idea: that academics be off limits, period, and students oa in order to protect | the “integrity of our. entire academic 3 community, and it is the realization that if we continued to 4 close the possibilities! for recruitment, and the adverse ; effect that that would have, maybe, on our ability to gather 6 intelligence, that some Of us backed off of this, what vould { H ad aie i 4 f 9 be the optimum, we think,’ position to take. So this already 8. represents somewhat of a betreat from the principle that some -g || would like to see established, and in this Gase I think we jp fie. — 10 || axe again faced with the iquestion of whether or not we want 11 4 government-sponsored program to enjoy a high level of integrity 12 || 80 that the people who are participating in it and the American 13 taxpayer who is supporting it can have some confidence that it 4 44 ‘is doing what it was set: out to ‘do and what the publicly . 15 announced purposes of it are, . 16 And if we don't do that, if we permit it to be used as 17 || an operational intelligence operation, then it seems to me like “48 we ought to’ announce that, that that ought to be one of the 19 purposes so stated in the grant to start with, while we are 20 likely to. get an education, ‘it is also likely if we can we’ oy will have you gather intelligence for us. | 20 Senator Morgan. Well, Dee, I think you are getting off 23 base for us. There is nothing that says they are ‘required to" 24 do it. | | 25 / Senator Huddleston. That is correct. TOP SECRET HW 50955 Docld:32423571 Page 19 waRO & PAUL
HW 50955 “10 ua 12 “43 14 15 (16 1? “1g 19 20 21 22 23 24 20 Docld:394293521 Page 20 TOP SECRET ae Senator Morgan. In other ‘words, we are not: going to condition this grant on -- Senator Huddleston. Well -- Senator Morgan. Let me finish out, now. What you are leading up to is you are saying we are going to condition this grant on your cooperation with other governmental agencies. Senator Huddleston. I. am saying that is not beyond the realm of possibility in ‘some cases, if we don't put some prohibition. Senator Morgan. Well, I think there may be “times, especially in the light of what we heard in the past year, when, you know, we might make that assumption, but I don't _ think’ that on the whole when you are dealing with the United States Government that you can really assume -- Senator Huddleston. But you can tt assume he is not, either. The Chairman. But what worries me is you get a student _ who in good faith goes abroad for the purpose of study and qualifies for a Government grant, and he depends upon that money and then he, when he gets over there. and wants to completes his studies, he is approached, and he can be approached in such a way that he can be made to feel that if he does not. -throw in with the CIA and do this and that, he may. find that the grant will be cut off or he can't complete the study as he intended. | He feels a certain dependency upon the money that / TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL
HW 50955 10 ll “12 13 14 15 16 a Le 19 20 21 22 23 24 29 Bocld: TOP SECRET ag he’ is receiving, and he has an expectation he wants to fulfill. And thus he is ina very vulnerable position when he is approached. | | Senator Morgan. ‘Well, that is a persuasive argument, but let me ask you, have we had any evidence that that sort of thing has happened? The Chairman. Well, I don't know. Senator Morgan. Well, it is a very persuasive argument, but I Just wonder if we should, in the absence of abuse on that part, whether or not we should go this far. The Chairman. What. about it, Mr. Bader? Mr. Bader. Mr. chairman, I might say in partial response to Senator Tower's remarks that the Agency's basic instruction for the operational use of individuals, 50-10, specifically. prohibits the operational use of Fulbright grantees. ‘They have | already made that decision in 1967, and reconfirmed in 1973. I assume part of that came from agitation at the time in '67 and Senator Fulbright's own determination that that program not be used. for operational purposes. It was the original intent of this language to extend that prohibition, which is now a matter of ‘public record, this .-. actually, that part ‘of the instruction is in the public record now under the Freedom of Information Act, that part of 50-10 that talks about Fulbright grantees. It was the original intent of the recommendation that is now before you to extend Toe SECRET 473521 Page 21 WARD & PAUL,
10 it 12 13 14 “15 16 1? 18 19 20 | 21 22 235 24 £0 HW 50955 Docld:3%4293521 Page 22 Yor SECRET . | 20 that prohibition on Fulbright grantees to all of those under the Fulbright-Hayes legislation. Under the specifics of the Agency's interpretation, it makes a distinction between those students, or graduate students, or professors selected by the Board of Foreign Scholarships, and the rest -~- and the rest includes cultural leader grants and the Like. ‘Now, perhaps it might be the sensible thing in the language like this to confine it to the Fulbright-Hayes Act, ‘which is the basic legislation which deals with this. Senator Schweiker. -How many others would you have outside of that? Would you have a lot of other programs? _ Bader. Other prograns? Senator Schweiker. what percent of the total picture is the Fulbright-Hayes Act? | sees: Mr. Bader. I really wouldn't know, Senator. I think it is the major part. of it, actually. You could have a National Endowment for the Humanities fellowship in which a person would go overseas, and this, under the language we now have before you, that would include those individuals. The Chairman. Well, I can see how vulnerable a grantee might .be when approached, and if we have already written into law a prohibition that relates to the Fulbright scholars, I-should think it ought to apply to any others that are _ receiving educational or cultural grants from the United States. | TO? SECRET WARD & PAUL
HY SQ955 10 u 12 13 14 15, 16 1? 18 19 - 20 21 99 23 24 25 Docld: 324293571 Page 23 TOP SECRET 21 Senator cower, | That is not a Law, that isa regulation. Mr. Aaron. And CIA's own regulation. . . The Chairman. But’ then it was adopted as part of. the law, I thought you said. Mr. Bader. No, sir. 1 said it has been made public through the Freedom of Information Act. This is an internal ‘directive of the Agency, and. as the Senators know, those. directives are certainly subject to:'change, so there really are, in effect, two basic parts of this recommendation. One was to commit the present internal prohibitions of the CIA to law, and then to extend it, and | ‘the issue before the Committee, in addition to whether there should be an extension, is sort of how far and what Language sh should be used to portray or convey that prohibition? — . Senator Baker. Mr. Chairman, do we have anything from - the agency on this? Senator Huddleston. it think you've got to weigh, to some ‘extent, the value of the: two programs, of our cultural exchange programs' importance. I think the pmiblic knowledge of any one individual becomes known as a-spy who is associated with a program, it has a devastating effect, in my judgment, on the program and on all students who are participating in it. I. just think the risk is too great. Senator Tower. Well, my question at that point would be to “what extent ‘does our cultural exchange program impact | on TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL
HW 40955 10 11 Le 13. 14 15 16 17 |. 18 is 20 el Re rae) r4 (25. Docld:32423521 Page 24 we are nice folks, that they ought to influence their governmen up the American public toward the Iron Curtain than the automatically assumed I am, and every guy in the outfit. What TOP SECRET 22 people behind the Iron Curtain; to convince them as people that to be a little bit more’ friendly toward us? It doesn't have any impact. at all ina totalitarian state, none. It is really a one way Street. | ‘Now, I am all for cultural exchange, simply because I like to watch Russian ballet dancers, especially females, but the fact of the matter is cultural change does more to: soften other way around. The Chairman. That is an argument as to the merits of cultural exchange, and how you view pallerinas, but. the questio here we face is whether or not we should put American students ina position where they ‘feel «hey must -— Senator Tower. Tt don! t think they must he coerced. the Chairman. But ‘there is an element of intimidation: involved if they are » receiving a grant from the government. if , Senator Tower. Well, I would favor a specific prohibitio against making that a condition of getting a grant or scholarsh p of some sort. | 7 | Senator Baker. Or continuing one. — Senator Tower. Or continuing one. Senator Hart‘ of Michigan. Well, John, what do you say to Dee's point? If my roommate turns out to be a spy, it is TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL
TOP SECRET 23 1 || does this do to the American that is over there, all of & | them? I don't think that is right. 5 |f-- -» Senator Tower. Well, I think in many instances American operations abroad that have been completely innocent have been 9 || labeled as spy operations for propaganda purposes by the other 6 || side, and they will do that if they choose to. They: will. not 7 | do it if they choose not to do it. 8 The Chairman. But you have many of these students. who are 9 not inside Russia or in a Communist country. We have education lL 10 and cultural programs in Third World countries and in the ll | western world. | 12) ~~ Senator Tower. I understand that..- 13]. The Chairman. And there, if someone is caught engaging in 14) a CIA action of some kind, then everybody is contaminated. 4 15 || The whole thing then becomes suspect in France or England or 16 | wherever it might be. iL? - Senator. Tower. what if the grantee comes to CIA and. 18 | says, I have made some contacts over here that I think would 19 be of value in terms of ‘passing intelligence along to you? 20 are you going to turn him down and Say, no, you are on a : el || Pulbright grant, we can't let you do that? 22 | Senator Huddleston. No, they could use his information to 25 1 contact somebody else. He would not necessarily be operational 24 Mr, Bader. Operational use, under the Agency's definition, ° £5 || has two. major elements to it.. Pirst is that the purposes to TOP SECRET . WARD & PAUL - HW 430955 Docld: 32425521 Page 25 .
10 ll ie 13 14 15 16 17 “18 19 20 21 22° 29 24 29 HY 4S0954 scencoocon Page 26 him when he came back. . | . particular task or purpose, then he is operationally used under TOP SECRET — vn be accomplished, and objectives, are established by the Agency, and the second is that the individual involved is tasked to do that, ordered to do it, if you please. ‘Operational use does. not, by the Agency's definition, involve individuals who’ would come to the Central Intelligence Agency to voluntarily give whatever information that they think would be of value to the Agency, the kind of information that the Contacts Division normally would like to have. Senator Tower. ves, but once having done that, the Agency determines this person is valuable and they observe this person and they put him under a control officer. Mr. Bader. ‘then he would come under this condition. That would be operational use! Senator Huddleston. ‘It would not include a debriefing of Mr. Kirbow. Nor could he be asked to go to a single meeti more and report back on, the very same subject that he just reported on, which might be a critical target to the United” States Governments' national security. Mr. Bader. Once he is operational, he has to accomplish a. the terms. Senator Tower. Even if he initiates the contact with soy a the Agency in the first place. Mr. Bader. Only, Senator, if there is a second stage in TOP SECRET WARO & PAUL
HW 50955 LO 11 12 13 14 15 16. 1? 18 19 20 al 22 23 24 25 TOP SECRET as this, if the individual -- Senator Tower. r know. The second. stage may be the most important. Mr. Bader. It certainly may , and at that stage, under the Agency's definition, he would be operationally -- | Senator Huddleston. i can't believe the Agency wouldn't have another entre of some sort. senator Tower. What kind of widespread abuse are we trying to prevent? Has there been widespread abuse? Mr. Bader. No, sir,, there has not. Senator Tower. There has not been. Mr. Aaron. This occurs. Mr. Bader. This occurs, yes. Senator Hart of Michigan. What is the benefit --~ there “has been no abuse, but what benefit? Senator Mondale. Tes not =~ that's not the word. It's not no abuse. It's not widespread, ' Mr. Bader. - The term is "not widespread." Senator Tower. I said "widespread." Mr, Bader. Yes, t| said “widespread.” senator Hart of Mighigan. The question is, what benefits? Do we know? , Senator Huddleston. That is very difficult to ascertain. Senator Tower. Significant abuse? Any record of abuse? - TOP SECRET | Docld: 384935291 Page 27 — WARD & PAUL
TOP SECRET 26 L . What record of abuse do we have? a . Senator Hart of Michigan. Any record'of significant 5 || benefit. 4. Mr. Bader. A record of significant abuse in the sense 5 ‘that Fulbright students or. those under American educational 6 programs have been used ‘operationally. ‘There is an extensive 7 record over the years, but it is not of major importance to 8 || the Agency. | | of | The Chairman. Well, |apparently. the. Agency itself has LO restricted or has put the} Fulbright scholars off Limits, ll |} right? 12 | Mr. Bader. That ‘is correct, sir. 13 _ The Chairman. well, then, -- 14 || - ‘Senator Hart of Michigan. That must be the result of a 15 conclusion that either they were not beneficial or they didn't 16 || want to poison the program. '. “19 | Why doesn't that reasoning apply to these others? 18 || - The Chairman. Well, I. think it does, but we might as 19° well come to a vote on it and decide whether we want to keep 20 it or strike it. | | | ai | Senator fuddieston. Well, to bring it to a vote, Mr. 22 Chairman, I would move that Paragraph 44 -- 29 Senator Baker. Me. {Chairman, I would just kind of make 24. “one inquiry, I believe, and I already know the answer to it, £95 that even though we are voting on this section, I believe. the TO® SECRET HW.50955 Docld:34%423521 Page 28 | WARD & PAUL
“10 ll le 13 14 15 16 18 19 eo 21 22 23 24 25 HW 50955 ae Page 29. a! | that we exempt. the military. TOP SECRET —E_ as arrangement we had previously, that is to say, that none of this is final, and certainly not until we hear the comments of the Agency. - Is that still observed?” The Chairman. Yes, that is still. the situation. Nothing becomes. final until the final vote is taken, and anything ‘can _be reconsidered. Senator Baker. Then. we are going to. have comments from the Agency. When, Bill, tomorrow? Mr. Miller. Staff is going to get them. tomorrow afternoon out there, and they are going to give it to us in-writing, I think, tomorrow afternoon, The Chairman. I suspect that the Agency will oppose many of these recommendations. pace Senator Huddleston. No question about that. { ' The Chairman, I hope that won't be the single basis upon which we decide for’ de 3 against. i « Senator Huddleston. ‘My: motion includes, Mr. Chairman, © ‘| a : —_ _ Senator Schweiker; . you say it will include ~— Senator Huddleston. That will be in my motion, in 44, that 4 . we exclude foreign military people. The Chairman. ALL rilght. ae The motion is made that Recommendation No. 44 be approved with the exception that, it does. not apply to foreign military . TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 L7 18 19 20 el £2 LO 24 29 HY 50955 DBocld:3 423521 Page 30 TOP SECRET 28 personnel coming into this country, is that right? Senator Huddleston. Yes. The Chairman. Let's have a vote. Do you want to call the roll, Mr. Miller? Mr. Miller. Yes. Mr. Hart of Michigan. Senator Hart of Michigan. Aye. Mr. Miller. Mr. Mondale. Senator Mondale. ‘Aye. Mr. Miller. Mr. Huddleston. Senator Huddleston. Aye. Mr. Miller. Mr. Morgan. Senator Morgan. No. Mr. Miller. Mr. Hart of Colorado? Senator Hart of Colorado. Aye. oy Mr. Miller. Mr. Baker. | Senator Baker. No. Mr. Miller. Mr. Mathias? -Senator Tower. You missed Goldwater. You missed Senator “Goldwater. - Goldwater no by written proxy. Mr. Miller. Mr. Mathias’is in the phone booth. Mr. Schweiker. Senator Schweiker. Aye. Mr. Miller. Mr. Tower? TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL
10 ll 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 20 € 2°. g4 vegin 3 25 HW 50955 Docla:32423521 Page 31 TOP SECRET | 06 Senator Towers No. Mr. Miller. Mr. Church? the Chairman. Aye. | Senator Tower. I don't. think it is going to affect ‘the outcome, so I ask consent that he be recorded. Mr. Miller. The ayes have it. It is six to four. Mr. Mathias is still in the phone booth. Senator Tower. I ask consent that he be allowed to be recorded. It might change the outcome. The Chairman. All right. Let's go to 61 next. Mr. Aaron. The next issue is on page 78A, Recommendation - Al. ‘The Committee previously agreed to extend the CIA prohibitions on the use of media to the use of any person who regularly contributes material to publications and those involved directly or indirectly in the editing or setting policy and direction in the direction.of the activities of U.S. media organizations. What was unclear was. whether this was the recommendation of the Committee to the CIA that it amend its regulations to do that, or whether this was to be embodied in statute as had been recommended in Recommendation 46. The.Chairman. I'm sorry, I have lost you. “Mr. Aaron. You will find the words “proposed statutory TO® SECRET WARE A Pate
HW 50955 10 “lil le. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (22 23 24 29 Bocld: 32425521 Page 32 appropriate to make some suggestion here that the press itself CIA regulations. cn . tw SeuKel , 30 CIA prohibition" and you see the words “proposed" and "statutory" are in brackets, reflecting uncertainty on our part as to whether it was the intention of the Committee that this prohibition simply be a CIA regulation or embodied in the Statute, which is recommended in the recommendation of procedur Ss. The Chairman. Senator Huddleston, do you have any ‘comment on this? Senator Huddleston. I have a versonal feeling that when we go too far statutorily in dealing with the press, that we . sometimes get on thin ice. I don't know whether it. would be initiate certain standards and methods. Many of them in the press believe they ought to have anyhow. I think the recommendation for the CIA is probably. sufficient. —_ ; The Chairman. And ,let that be handled as a matter of Senator Huddleston. Rather than by statute. - The Chairman. Rather than by statute. Is that acceptable to the Committee? Senator Tower.’ I am sorry, Mr. Chairman. Would you repeat the proposition? ’ | The Chairman. the proposition is: that the Committee recommend that the CIA, | by regulation, handle this matter rather than make it statutory. TOP SECRET WARD & PAUL
HY 50955 LO il le 13 14 15 16 a? 18 19 20 21 22 rom 24 25 IOP SECRET | 31 Senator Tower. Well, I oppose it either by statute or by regulation, so I would suggest that those who favor the i concept determine whether they want to. do it by either statute or regulation. I am opposed to doing it by either. | ‘Senator Schweiker. I would like to see it by statute if we are going to do it. Senator Baker. Mr. Chairman, does this make any distincti between domestic media and -- on the media located physically within the United States and the U.S. media outside the united States? 7 The Chairman. No, it does not. It simply attempts to _ prevent the CIA from involving itself with personnel who are part of the U.S. media, whether here ‘or abroad, as I read it. Senator Tower. ‘Okay, | now, let me ask you a question. What is there is a “Reuters reporter in. Moscow who - is cooperating with us, and Reuters contributes regularly ‘to U.S. media? | Senator Schweiker. “We spent an hour on that. They are excluded. We argued that for an hour. and I lost the point, so they, would be excluded. Senator Huddleston. This basically just extends to “CIA's own prohibition that they had initiated against what we- would normally think of as working journalists, and includes into it the executives and editors and those who may be freelancing. TOP SECRET Bocla: 324235271 Page 33. a WARD & PAUL
HW 450955 }H te LO ll 13 14 15 16 17. 18 19 20 al 22 29° 24 25 Docld: 3234273531 Page 34 “Time he would be. would extend that prohibition to someone who is, what in the way, but say there were such a person, it would apply to him Oa gi, we VOP & SeEuRET ~ | Senator Tower. What if we got a freelancer for Time Magazine who is indeed a foreign national? Does he come under this prohibition? | Senator Huddleston. If he has some regular association wi Mr. Aaron. Under the Agency's current regulations and own prohibitions, a foreign journalist working for Timé Magazin oversees would be prohibited from being used by them for operational purposes. That is their own position today. This trade jargon is a stringer, or -- Senator Tower. This would include a stringer? Senator Schweiker. It wouldn't cover Reuters or some other foreign news service. 4 Mr. Aaron. It would also apply to a fora@igner who was, for example, if there were such a thing as an editor in the Paris Bureau of Time Magazine. I don't think they work that’ . | as well. Senator Tower. What about the Paris Trib? What about that? : Mr. Aaron. A U.S. media organization. oo Mr. Kirbow. It is excluded. Senator Schweiker. ,That is a subsidiary of an American’ company. ToP SECRET WARD & PAUL
fOP SECRET - 33 Senator Tower. What about Reader's Digest Selecciones, which is their Spanish publication? Is that included? Mr. Aaron. I assume so. The Chairman. well, according to the CIA's own restric- tions, it is excluded now, except this would simply extend the exclusion to stringers, those who do not have regular employment. | Senator Huddleston. ‘And editors and executives. The Chairman. And editors and executives. Mr. Bader. The present restriction, Senator Tower, that has been extended by the Agency in February, went to accredited journalists, accredited to U.S. media organizations. The only difference between this prohibition and the one already assumed by the Agency is that this moves further accreditation to include those who regularly contribute to U.S. media organizations or are a part of their structure. Mr. Kirbow. The management structure. Mr. Bader. The management structure, whether they: contribute material to or are involved directly or indirectly in the preparation of material. The Chairman. Well, I think if we are going to do it, we had better decide on the policy. If we want to keep the CIA out of U.S. media both at home and abroad, and we want to extend that to stringers as well, then I think it ought. to.be done by statute rather than just: a recommendation by TOP SECRET. WARD & PAUL HW 50955 Docld:32423521 Page 34
10 11 12 13 14 | 15 16 1? 18 19 20 eal £2 23 24 25 TOP SECRET —Es_—_ zu: the Committee that the CIA do it, because the CIA regulations may or may not issue, and they can be changed at any time without notice. Senator Tower. Well, Mr. Chairman, aren't we talking abou two different things? | t don't mean foreign, you know, our foreign correspondents abroad writing CIA propaganda for American publications. We are talking about operations here, operational use, not use to write some article that the CIA wants planted in an American publication. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about using him to gather intelligence, and it qoes back directly to the CIA which doesn't serve as a publication. The Chairman. But operational use can include many things including writing propaganda and usually would if it involved journalists. oo | Senator Tower. Well) 1 think we have already got a prohibition on that. | | Mr. Bader. The prohibition that the Central Intelligence Agency has self-imposed extends across the line from cover. to. placement to all operational use of individuals, accredited individuals to American media organizations. As I say, the difference between what the Agency has already taken upon itself and what this recommendation involves is this recommen- . dation extends it to individuals who are not accredited. There are a number -- the figures that the Committee has TO? SECRET HW 50955 Docld:: pag3521 Page 36 ; WARD & PAUL
TOP SECRET 35 1 |p which have been authenticated by the Agency, | that there are 2 some 60 Americans who are affiliated or are part of American 3 media organizations around the world, part of a larger network 4 | of some 400 journalists and the like who are part of the Agency ‘ls 5 overall media asset program, and of those 60 under the Agency's 6 present prohibitions, the ones recently imposed, it would go y |) to just one third of those individuals. 8 This prohibition would extend it from the one third to g | all because the other ‘two thirds include people that are 10 under cover, who are in management, and who are not under 11 the technical term accredited to U.S. media organizations. | - ' Mr, Chairman, I might say if the Committee would Look 13 ‘at the Recommendation 46 that goes before 47, perhaps it might bear in mind that the recommendation in 46, which takes the 14 | 15 present Agency prohibitions and says that they should be “16 established in law, if in 47, if the Committee should .so 19 | decide to do it by recomiiendation, that they change their 18 internal prohibitions, there will be a contrast between 46 19 || ana 47. “50 | The Chairman. Well, let's have a vote. Let's go back 91 || to 46, and I take it that the recommendation is that this 22. prohibition that the CIA has itposed upon itself ought to - “95 be written in statutory form. 84 Mr. Bader. That is the recommendation. 285 The Chairman. All right. Let's have a vote on that TO® SECRET HW 50955 Docld:39423521 Page 37 WARD & PAUL
LO il Le 13 14) 15 ‘16 “ay 1s 19 20 eh 22° 23 24 29 WW 50955 Doclad: 324249521 Page 34 the only one that has suggested that it should not be statutory . and I would just point out that that might be a result of the ' media. TOP SECRET gg first of all, and then we'll take up 47. Mr. Miller, will you call the roll? -Senator Huddleston. Mr. Chairman, I think I am probably fact that I am in the media, so I would withdraw that unless somebody else wants to make that recommendation. The Chairman. I thought yours went to 47. This is 46. . ap Senator Huddleston. It did, but they both relate to the The Chairman. Well, let's take a vote on 46, which would recommend that Congress enact a statute conforming to the CIA's self-imposed prohibition on U.S. journalists or foreign journalists accredited to the U.S. media abroad. . f 5 Mr. Miller. Mr. Hart of Michigan. Senator Hart of Michigan. Did you want a roll call? ,t The Chairman. Yes... tf- ve Senator Hart of Michigan. Aye. Mr. Miller. Mr. Mondale. Senator Mondale. ‘aye. Mr. Miller. Mr. Huddleston? Senator Huddleston, Aye. - Mc. Miller. Mr. Mofgan. “Senator Morgan. aye. TOP SECRET . WARD & PAUL
Mr. Miller. Mr. Hart Senator Hart of Color Mr. Miller. Mr. Bake Senator Baker. Mr. Miller. Mr. Gol Senator Tower. No by Mr. Miller. Mr. Math 1 - (No response.) Senator Schweiker. A Mr. Miller. Mr. Towe Senator Tower. No. Mx. Miller. Mr. Chur The Chairman. Aye. Senator Tower. Mr. ¢ that Senator Mathias be re Lora The Chairman, 7 Al Now can we go to 47 understanding that this ee stringers and the use of ! f form but it would be a reé ‘such regulation. a _ Ms. Culbreath. Mr. sir, with regard to whe the . lation or by statute. Ye ‘TO HW 30935 - DocTd: 3442345271 Page 39 TOP SECRET be i cy 1 h roel rh, dwaté@r. fi vt Mr. Miller. Mr. .Schw ia 37 h i lof Colorado. i‘ ado. “Aye. | re | proxy. | t le 1as. - eiker. ye. re ch.. hairman, I ask unanimous consent corded. It will not be changed. ght. / nd vote it up or down, on the commendation: having. to do with — xecutives would not take statutory ommendation to the CIA without hairman, could I say just a word, ple ry it was done by-directive or regu- sterday one of the general recommendation: B SECRET tor i WARD & PAUL
Ya TOP SECRET | | | | a 38 i 7 | : 1 that we discussed and fhelistate was asked to rewrite went to 3 the question of any changes or waivers of Agency directives or recommendations, and as considered by the Committee rs) 4 yesterday. “The agreement! was -- and if that proposal is 5 one of the general - recomnéndations goes ‘through any waiver 6 of an existing regulation or any amendment of an existing 9 regulation, that affected the significant policies or programs. s of the Agency, would have! to go immediately to NSC and to the 9 oversight committee so tia they would know. 10 So what I am saying [is that if you had a directive and i there was a change in something like this which would be 12 significant, there would lhave to be notice to’ the oversight 13 | committee and to the NSC. | 14 The Chairman. Can We have a vote, then, on 47. before. 15 we go down to the Senate |to this roll call. 16 . Mr. Miller. Mr. Hart of Michigan. “uy Senator Hart of Hictigan, Aye. 18 Mx. Miller. Mr. Nondale. 19 Senator Mondale. aye. 20 Mr. Miller. Mr. Huddleston. 81 Senator Huddleston. Aye. a0 Mr. Miller. Mr. Morgan. 23 | Senator Morgan. pY¢h | 94 . Mr. Miller. Mr. Hart of Colorado. 95 —_ Senator Hart of colorado. Aye. iit TOP SECRET HW 50955  Docld:32493521 Page 40° - il “aneeeeaes
HY 0955 Lo il 12 13 | 14 || that 15 16 17. “Mr. Miller. Mr. Tower. Mr.Miller. Mr. Church. (UP SECRET | 4p 4 39 Mr. Miller. Mr. Baker. Senator Baker. Aye!) ' Mr. Miller. Mr. Goldwater. Senator Tower. No by proxy. { b Mr. Miller. Mr. Mathias. (No response.) Mr. Miller.’ Mr. Schweiker. Senator Schweiker. j/Aye. whi / Senator Tower. No.! The Chairman. Aye. Senator Tower. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent: Senator Mathias be allowed to vote. ; The Chairman. That)will be so ordered. t Mee All right, let's take a short recess and come back. | (Whereupon, at 4:05.0'clock p.m. the Committee ; i). | 1g || recessed to reconvene at'10:00 o'clock a.m., Friday, March > 19 26,.1976.) - 20 21 22 23 24 25° Docld: 32423521 TOP SECRET
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