Ls “ oe & - Mr. J. ; =~ Mr. J. A. Mintz - Mr. W. R. Wannall - Mr. W. 0. Cregar - Mr. S. F. Phillips aol ell oleae 0 62-116395 ~ re November 3, 1975 u. s. SENATE SELECT COMM TTER TO ¢ GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (ssc) RE: INTERVIEW OF FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT (SA) CG. EDUIN GLASS, JR., BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS : The following concerns an interview conducted by SSC Staff Members of former FBI SA ¢. ‘Edwin Glass, Jr. Prior to the interview, Glass was ‘given a release by the FBI from his confidentiality agreement with the FBI for the purpose of the interview. The following is a statement which. Glass voluntarily ° furnished and which. reports the results of the interview. After obtaining clearance from the Bureau, retired SA c. Edwin Glass, Jz., waa interviewed on September 25, 1975, at the offices of the Select Senate Gommittee by Arthur Harrigan, James DeMarce, and Barbara Banoff. A court reporter was also present. Glass signed an advice of rights wah statement prior to the interview. The interview lested two: hours and 15 minutes. Assoc. Dir. ____ Dep. AD Adm. _ oe . ” The- ‘interviewérs stowed Me. Glass. @kerox of a act. Or: -themorandum and airtel to all offices dated in. December, 1970, Admin. - ann entitled “Key Black Extremist Program.’ In the airtel there. #i f Ex. Atos Were Listedsnine investigative! steps, to be performed ae ON Gen bee "Bi res all Key Black-Extremists “(KBE) . The. alath: step TG «rection oe TON CONT . es . wot! Pes, Vpeverory - - the le ener 5 SAC. sad class; Iri ys ip Plon. & Eval. MOR~16 Ms B Spec. Inv. Training Loset Coun — (9) ad’ r2u_dt /6 3 a UL: ie: NOTE : PAGE: a4" Telephone Rm. : ORIGINAL AND ONE COPY TO AG } iw str Director Sec'y__. MAIL ROOM [__] TELETYPE UNIT (__] 4 A ‘ ye fh GPO: “8 Q.3:560- -920 f Nw 35079 Doold: 32939536. Page 205 ENCLOSURE Sc i
7 Lot = soars SELECT CommrrrEs oft tivtmt¢mNce acrevitizs 0” eo pees oUTERYEEY ¢ oF p FOKMER. FBI SA BY ssc - 7 ss an ‘énnual’ hack: of: IRs re gecordance ‘ith existing “a - dastructions." | ‘The interview centered on FBI chacks of . _ * .IRS-records./ Mr. Glass: explained the procedure followed to - _, @heck TRS” records. “He: Was asked if the field could check : ' ‘these. records directly without: ‘going. through Headquarters, ‘and he said they could not be in security cases. He was | - ict asked ££ dastruetions to this effect were-ia ‘the Mangal a . end he teplied he thought they were; but was not sure. Mrs * “- Glass was then provided a copy of a letter listing.the ~~ ~~ | subjects, who. had -been checked" through IRS for: tax returns and: ‘asked to identify. those who were KBEs and extremist =e :. "Me; Glass said. that He was of the: present ‘opinion that the. instruction ain the airtel about. IRS checks was later amended -- .. to indicate thet an IRS ‘check on each KBE be considered --  “yather than being mandatory. He said his recollection was . -bolstered-by the fect. that LeRet. Jones. a KBE, according to - an their list, was checked:on August.5,.1971,- and ‘not. agein. at. vos «a Tater date. This: would indicate thet. an TRS check | on co gamely: wes ‘fet mandatory. ae Fe Mr. “Glass. was ‘asked Lf the Bureai ever had ‘IRs "cheeks made. on subjects by other government’ agencies such ” ‘as " CIA, and hé replied not to his knowledge..-:He told them that: | “7. ERS checks’ were tiade for. lead purposes only:'and were done os ‘of a Very Selective ‘basis and to his recollection | were. not : reported when, a report was. submitted 90.8 ‘Subject... "" oo! fy OMe. Glass was asked af the. TRS checks were ever eet | "aseid 4a the COINTELPRO and he replied that he would. think not. a 7, Bepauee’y of the: restriction placed: on ‘the use, of this: tegomation, . Oe he He was shown’ e ‘Kerox. of a blind memérandin ‘tn ‘the. LE ce ganton ef Bobbie Rush, along with a routing slip end” “a lette® from the Department to IRS; ‘and'was asked if the | : * Dempreandum was ‘the ‘typewritten in: cases mequesting ¢ an TRS oe checks and Be. Foplicd’ that. 46. WAS... So, . ots NW 55079 Docld:39999536 Page 206. °°
os . * - > , nm ext. wpe ats = 3 me ce od - a e > : oan’ . . ne ” : . . . - ae . Q D . . . “, “ Fy “ - ” . tg. . - o! : “ . .- oe wf ae - SENATE seicr coment on THTELLIGENCE scrivities (80) | gue INTERVIEW oF ‘FORER BI SA BY. ‘ssc ea. vane oe Harrigad: seemed: to ‘be of ‘the. option’ ‘that the. 2 TRS. . oe was: part. of ‘thé COINTELPRO, and he: asked séme: “questions 2 : “: about - the COINTELPRO . which Mr. Glass declined to! discuss . gine he was only, sleared: sto discuss: the: IRS cheeks." 20 RR Hektigan- dslied’ what ‘the ‘purpose: “of “TRS. checks. ne gies» Me. | Glass’ responded. that’ the IRS checks. were part: of. . i the investigation to ‘determine’ the sources: of “finances of: "3. extremists. who traveled extensively, stockpiled weapons and Jo sent to. have NO, problem. financing their sctivithess 08 ; _ . : 3 ve ote -e wo. Soyo . Sow, . Loge wee ee “ t.e - rr te te colt la Pr ae Fi .. wf no Per’ Supervisor: Pe Vv Daly’ ‘of “the ‘Lege - Counsel... “Division; Assistant. ‘Director Mintz. orally: ‘waived the ‘-~ are ‘confidentiality agreement ; . This. was .done for. expediency,’ ,as-the’ SSC. made known. its. ‘desire. ‘to. interview Glass ‘immediately « “ preceding * ‘the! actual : interview. Glass‘. handwritten’: statement . “Was mailed to the Bureat | and typed into the LAM. » |W 55079: . Dockd: 32989536 + Page 207 nn “Glass \ ‘was asked ‘tf thie KBE Program was oo. _ abigines ater, the = Key. Activist . ‘Program and the, seid. a that a ng
MOTE: SEE INSTRUCTIONS ON REVERSE CLASSIFY AS APPROPRIATE 4 BEFORE COMPLETING. TO: Intelligence Community Staff FROM: ATIN: Central Index ~ BBE SUBJECT: Abstract of Information Provided to Select Committees 1. HOW PROVIDED (check appropriate term. If a document was made available 2. DATE PROVIDED for review but not transmitted, so note.) | | oocument | [erterins | xy | interview TESTIMONY LL/3/75 3. TO WHOM PROVIDED (check appropriate term; add specific names if appropriate) The Attorney General with a copy for forvarding to the Uhite Reuse 4. IDENTIFICATION (provide descriptive data for documents; give name or identification number of briefer, interviewee, testifier and subject) Memorandum reporting results of on interview by SSC Staff Menbers of formar Special Igent C,.Zdwin Glass, dis . IN RESPONSE TO (list date and item number if in response to formal request, other- 6. CLASSIFICATION OF wise state verbal request of (name), initiative, subpoena, etc.) INFORMATION (enter : . . U, C, S, TS or Codeword) A u . KEY WORDS (enter the appropriate key words from the list provided separately; if key words not listed are used underline for emphasis) information handling Intelligence collection . SUMMARY (See reverse side before completing this item) Interwieved recerding "Rey Dlack Earrecaiet rrogran” as they related te cheeks of IRS records, 62~316395 ORIGINAL VIA LIAISON TO CENTRAL COMMUNITY INDEX EN CONNECTION WITH SRUSTUDY 75 CLASSIFY AS APPROPRIATE 3791 (6-75) NW 35079 Doocld: 329599536 Page 306
INSTRUCTIONS e Type or print clearly in ink. @e Indicate classification of the abstract top and bottom. e Date the abstract and put on any internal control numbers required. e "FROM" entry should clearly identify the organization providing the information. ; e If additions (as when a copy of document sent to SSC is later sent to HSC) or changes to a previously submitted form are necessary, submit a copy of the original abstract, with the change indicated. SPECIFIC ITEM NO. 8. SUMMARY - enter brief narrative statement describing substance of information and showing relationship to Intelligence Community matters if appropriate. Any feedback or evidence of investigatory interests should be noted. Commitments made to supply additional information should be noted. Additionally, certain administrative information may be entered here, e.g., restrictions on review of a document, if document was paraphrased, whether interviewee is current or former employee, etc. If actual document or transcript is provided, that fact should be’ noted and no summary is required. Additional pages may be attached if necessary. @ NW 35079 Doocld: 32999536 Page 209
OPTIONAL FORM NO. 10 ®@ 5010-106 ® . ~ FAAY 1962 EDITION GSA GEN, REG. NO, 27 1 Assoc. Dir. . UNITED’ STATES GOVERNMENT 1 - Mr. J. BY Adams Dep. AD Adm. — f 3 - Mr. J. A. Mintz aDaee AD tov. — “ Memorandum (swe. J.B. Hotis) “ike } (Ll - Mr. P. V. Daly} cen ee TO : Mr, W. R. Wanriail pate: 11/12/75 Gon tee 1 - Mr. W. R. Wannall Iereciion FROM : W. O. orégar Woe / 1B Ll -~ Mr. W. O. Cregar Peeaoo 1 - Mr. S. F. Phillips Legal Coun. _— > Plan. & Eval. SUBJECT SENSTUDY 75 Spee, tev. —— ees rene Rm. Director Sec’y __ This memorandum recommends urgently needed consideration by Legal Counsel Division (LCD) of vital issues in the Senate Select Committee (SSC) review of the Martin Lluther King, Jr., investigation and conference of appropriate Bureau officials to establish Bureau's position in respect to forthcoming SSC hearings on King matter. Legal Counsel to Mr. J. B. Adams memorandum, 11/5/75, “Testimony and Furnishing of Information to Congressional Committees" (copy attached), reports the formation of a White House group tasked to keep the White House advised of problems which the various Congressional dommittees' requests and/or testimony before such committees might create, Assistant Attorney General (AG) Rex Lee, Civil Division, is Department's representative in group. The existence of this newly created group and the imminence of scheduled SSC hearings on the King matter in about 10 days makes imperative Bureau considerations and setting of policy relating to special problems discussed below. f By way of background, we have furnished the SSC [} a Large volume of documentary material from our files ra concerning the King and related matters. Additional infor- §./ ne mation has been given to the SSC through the medium of its interviews of current and former FBI employees, as well as dgpeton a special, highly classified personal briefing of a Church and selected SSC Staff Members by Bureau WG bs vw | G) | f {Enclosure v ‘i 7! 0) REE: wy, f: (4) & frig. Se a MEG oS uj "62 t ‘CONTINUED ~ OVER) f, nn SFP: Seon Soumanray 15 Nov 21 1975 ‘ 9.6 1975 rc BA NOV 6°. S29895365 Page 210 oe
| BW 55079 Docld:325989536 Page 211 Memorandum to Mr, W. R. Wannall Re: Senstudy 75 62116395 personnel, Two key issues should be noted: (1) In the vast majority of instances we have excised, from material given the SSC, vital information relating to King's subversive connections and personal Life because the SSC specifically requested we excise information which is the product of electronic surveillances of King and because information might lead to identities of extremely valuable Bureau informants (SOLO operations). (2) We have also not furnished the SSC Very enlightening Bureau documents regarding King again at the specific request of the SSC to not furnish Bureau monographs containing King data. For - your information, prohibition to furnishing product of electronic surveillances on King results from certain agreements between the SSC and the attorney for Mrs. King, apparently because, from the best information we have, the King family desires no publicity relating to the former investigation of King. If the SSC goes forward with its current plans for hearings on the King matter, public and/or executive session, very serious problems are anticipated. These are primarily two in number, one relating to privacy considerations, the other relating to the Bureau possibly being placed in the untenable position of defending or explaining past actions and judgements but not being able to put forth the full facts supportive to those actions and judgements, To put it plainly, are we going to “enter the ring with one arm tied behind our backs?" Also entering our study of this matter is the necessity for securing Departmental backing for whatever position we think is the best one to take. Again, in view of the imminence of the hearings, alacrity in proceeding © with the action recommended is urged. CONTINUED ~ OVER ~ 20
Memorandum to Mr. W. R. Wannall Re: Senstudy 75 62-116395 ACTIONS: 1. LCD immediately give needéd consideration to the vital issues outlined above and advise: (A) Whether privacy considerations will inhibit Bureau testimony. (B) Whether the Bureau should allow the SSC to dictate the scope of the Bureau testimony in a manner which will prohibit full disclosure of all the facts. 2. After LCD formulates recommendations as to (A) and (B) above, conference of appropriate Bureau officials should be convened to resolve these important pending issues. It is suggested, as a minimum, conference include Messrs. J. B. Adams, J. A. Mintz, W. R. Wannall, W. oO. Cregar and S. F. Pag Phillips. MW 55079 Doocld: 32959536 Page 212 nn
[. wy 4 we ~ Mr. Mints Mr. Adans . / -~ Mr. Wannall oN p . fet fet et { Mx. 7. 8, Adans LL/5/7¥ I~ tir. Cregar’ es Wf ~ Mx. Hotis i - Hr. Daly Pa Legal Counsel TESTIMONY AND PURNISEING OF IN?ORMATION TO CONGRESSIONAL COMNITTERS | j aa - On 11/4/75 at the recuest of the Departren rf, SA paul vi Daly of this Division met with Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Division Fex Lee and his assistant, Tom Martin, alone with Michael E, Shaheen, Jr., Srecial Ceunsel for Intelligence Co- ordination in the cepartment, and his assistants, Ray Hornblower and Steven Blackhurst, to discuss anticipated testimony befere wwarious Congreszional, Cormittees and possible areas of futur “Droklens as a result thereof. ceri aoa argent iat neat maaan aaa 2@ advised that he had been appointed by the Attorney General to he the Department's representative on a Nhite House group whose task it was to keep the ="bite. HORS prob lems “which the vari cus < ‘oneradsi onal Comet ithes rervests -a> - wy att and/or €& SCILONP TS ; ni neenanes PEiche greate, "the grovp, “Eccording ‘to Ese, is refs Sered tC" “the “larly ¥arning List Group. ’ The duties of this group are to ieent izy proilsm arsas, analyze the problens and giye.oridance-ta Lue epite LOUSe && ‘to the ap~ propriate response to a particular problem. ~ Lee stated that the purpose of the group was to prevent the White House from being surprised by some disclosure to Congress which would create ‘problems.” Among those on the group, according to Lee, are Mitchell Rogovin, CIA; Hichael Buval, White House; William Hylen, State Department, and Jack Marsh, Chairman, repre~ senting the White House. Ho, PYD:lad ee © 0) _ TERENI IG UNCLASSIEIED HERE TIS TU CLASS ue - aT mde. 1b OLT “5 bo VW6395S--f3 NW 55079 Docld:32989536 Page 213 ENCLOSURE f re ae enema oe seem we met ee epee perme To eereeiane oF wee
4 Legal Counsel to Mr. Adams - RE: TESTIMONY AND FURNISHING OF INFORMATION TO CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES ~ Lee stated this group was to meet daily, if necessary, to keep the White House advised of problem areas and he was desirous of being continually advised of any anticipated problems which might be dévulgeé to the Congressional Committees. Lee was generally briefed by SA Daly of the schedule of anticipated testimony before the various Congressional Conmittees and in a general fashion, of the types of requests for information which this Bureau had re- ceived from Committees of Congress. Lee requested that he be again briefed at 3 p.m. on 11/6/75 in more detail concerning the individual Committee requests made of the Bureau. RECOMMENDATION 2 were For information. _ ow S5079 Doeld: 329695356 Page 214
Assoc. Dir. 62-116395 Mr. Mr. Mr. W. We S. 1 « L ~- 1 e 1 « i « Mr. Adams Mintz Wannall Cregar Phillips October 29, 1975 U. &. SENATE SELECT CO:DILTTEE TO STUDY COVETLAENTAL OPERATIONS WLTH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: ? INTERVIEN] OF FORMER FBT SPLCIAL AGENT (SA) GEORGE G, Loans BY SSC START imciorRs By FBI memorandum dated August 19, 1975, there was reported an interview of former FRI SA George G. Moore by an SSG Stall Member. The following concerns another interview of Moore by SSC Staff Menbers. Prior to the interview being reported herein, Moore was granted clearance from his confidentiality agreement with the FRE for the purpose of the intervie. Set out below is the statenont of Moore reporting on the interviev vhich he voluntarily furnished to the FBT. RE: UWATIOUAL SECURITY AGENCY (NSA) MONETOREING ACTEVITILS CIUCTERVICT OF FORJER SPECIAL AGIT MOORE BY SMIATE SLLecT COLITTES SrArr WEMSERS, SEPEEMIBER 29, 1975 For identification purposes, this is 4 mowzorandua prepared b ratired July 31, 1974. Georse &. Moore, former Special Agent of the FRI who liy addvess is 6715 NN. 27th Strect, dep. ADA. ARLineton, Virginia 22213, telephone nwaber 533-8235. Since Der. AO lw. _ the captioned interview concerned matters involving my activities Asst. Dir.: Admin. uhile an FBI empleyee, I an furnishing this meserandun containing Conp. Sys. HeCALIed pertinent aspeets of the interview to FEI Neadquarters Ext. Aftirs — entirely by my Owen volition. Files & Com. — Gen. Inv. Ident. Inspection _. Intell. Laboratory Plan. & Eval. — Spec. Inv. Training Legal Coun, ___ L - 67 SFP:mjey-,. -" Telephone Rm. __ Director Sec’y __ S5079 Doold: 32989536 MAIL ROOM [__] ORIGINAL AND ONE TO AG - (Personnel file former SA George Ge Moore) (4 a -/ / é 5 7 > TELETYPE UNIT [__] Page 216 w/t ENCLOSURE a SEE NOTE PAGE FIVE (068 ial GPO :; 1975 O - 569-920
U. & Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities (SSG) Re: Interview of Former FBI Special Agent (SA) George C. Moore by SSC Staff Members At 2:00 p.m, September 29, 1975, I appeared at the Dirksen Senate Office Building at the request of Staff Member James Dick to be interviewed regarding NSA monitoring activities. (As a matter of interest, while waiting in the reception room for Mr. Dick, I was approached by Mr. John ELLIf£ who introduced himself and asked if I remembered meeting him in the office of former Assistant Director GC. D. Brennan about four years ago, I did not remember him and so informed hin. He stated that sometime in the next several weeks he would contact me in order to discuss a number of things, I told him that I would PS available in the afternoons but desired some advance notice. The captioned interview commenced at about 2:05 p.m and lasted about one hour and 30 minutes. It was conducted by Mr. James Dick accompanied by Mr. Peter Ferm, both members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Staff. The interview was recorded by a stenotypist who was described as a "court reporter." = was not placed under oath but was advised that I would be asked to come back to read the typed transcript and to swear as to its authenticity before a Senator from the Committee. I was told that I could have the benefit of counsel 4£ so desived. I did not desire such. The focus of the interview was directed almost solely on my knowledge of NSA's monitoring activities with respect to U. S. citizens and, in particular, was directed at my knowledge as to when such monitoring commenced and stopped and the nature of the administrative matters surrounding this activity, | | ' WW 55079 Docld:32989536 Page 217
U. S. Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities ($8) Re: Interview of Former FBE Special Agent (SA) George C. Moore by SSC Staff Members Duting the interview, I was shown a letter prepared during October, 1970, by Special Agent Joseph Michela with attathed list of individuals and organizations directed to NSA requesting NSA coverage. My initials appeared as one of those approving the letter and I verified such and related my knowledge of events leading up to the preparation of the letter, namely an earlier briefing by NSA people of various representatives of Division 5 in which we were told what NSA could produce for ‘us and at which time we were encouraged to request such by a letter such as the Ostober, 1970, letter, Qther FBI documents (copies) which were exhibited to me were two other letters prepared by members of the Extremist Section (dates not remembéred by me but letters were prepared by William H. Atkinson and Roger 8. Young). I was also shown a copy of a letter prepared by T. J. Smith to the Attorney General dated in 1973 which discontinuéd our cooperation with NSA in this matter as a result of the Keith decision. A number of questions were asked as to meaning of some of the phrasa@logy in Smith's letter as well as what appeared to be statements inconsistent with above previous-mentioned letters. In essence, I told them that T. J. Smith would be the proper person to answer those questions and not me. I also told them that I did not help prepare the letter. They were interested in the identities of NSA people who came over to the FBI to give the original briefing. could not recall any of their identities, They seemed very interested in why the October, 1970, letter was written, who approved it and whether Director Hoover saw it. As to the latter question, there was no initial of the Director but he could not tell from the Xerox whether it passed through his office, MW 55079 Docld: 32999536 Page 216 yo .
U. & Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities (8SC) Re: Interview of Former FBI Special Agent (SA) George G. Moore by SSC Staff Members I was pressed by a series of questions as to whether tT had ever made oral requests of NSA not confirmed by letter. i advised that I recalled being in telephone contact on several eccasions with a "liaison contact" at NSA but believed it was mainly as a result of his calling me and my returning his call. I stated that although my recoileection is such that I did not recall making oral requests, I could not make a firm denial as I just could not recall, (I also could not recall the name of this person at NSA who initiated the calls}. Finally, I told Mr. Dick that if he had any information indicating I had made such a request which would refresh my memory, such would be helpful. He then advised that he did have information such requests were made by others in the FBI orally but not by me, He also wanted to know my assessment as to the quantity and quality of information furnished. He was advised that the quantity was extremely small and I could not judge or evaluate quality at this date without seeing the product again, I tried to stress throughout that actually we got very little as a result of these requests and that we considered such requests to be quite normal and not sinister and really nothing to have made such an impact on ones memory as to be remembered through the years. Also, I furnished my opinion that we did not consider such monitoring or requests to be "Lilegal" at least prior to the Keith decision. In addition to the above, the interviewers were advised of a briefing given to a small group of NSA employees re "Foreign Influence in Extremist Matters" given by former SA C. E. Glass and me sometime after October, 1970, Staff Member Fenn showed me a couple of documents re Army‘s request for NSA monitoring, copies of which had been furnished the FBI aecording to copies displayed. [I did not recall ever having seen them, Respectfully furnished George C, Moore September 30, 1975 NW S5079 Docld: 32909536 Page 219
U. S. Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligencé Activities (SSC) Re: Interview of Former Special Agent (SA) George C. Moore by SSC Staff Members NOTE: Supervisor P. V. Daly, with the concurrence of AD Mintz, gave oral clearance from confidentiality agreement for purpose of the interview reported herein. This was done because of the urgency of time. Moore's handwritten statement was mailed to the Bureau and typed as contained in the LHM. | -~ 5 = NW 35079 Doocld: 32999536 Page 220
e - Mr. J. B. Adams - Mr. He A. Mintz -~ Mrs. Metcalf - Mr. W. R. Wannall 62~116395 October 30, 1975 4 1-Mr. S. F. Phillips | fro fr fot font fant U. S. SENATE SELUCT COMMITTEE TG STUDY GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS WETH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES (SSC) RE: THTERVIE OF MRS. ERMA D. METGALE AUMINISERATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE FRI, BY SSC STAFF MEMBERS The following pertains to an interview of Mrs. Metcalf by SSG Staff Members. , On September 2, 1975, SSC Staff Member Mark Gitenstein requested of the Legal Counsel Division of the FBI that Mrs. Metcalf, among others, be made available for a Staff interview concerning her knowledge of the “official and confidential” files which were maintained in the office of Mr. J. Edgar Hoover, the late Director of the FBI. Mrs. Metcalf had been previously interviewed by personnel of the FBI's Inspection Division during an inquiry of the "official and confidential” files matter which was conducted at the request of the Department of Justice. The SSC has been previously furnished a summary of the results of that inquiry and has reviewed FD-302s reporting the results of interviews of employees concerning the matter, Director Clarence M. Kelley of this Bureau approved the release of Mrs. Metcalf from existing employment agreement for the purpose of the SSC Staff interview. There follows the report of the interview of tivs, Uetcalf as furnished by her. Bates Al- gous st : NCO NOLLVITHOANI ‘I’. ¥ CHLNSS ‘ enterty, ce. On Tuesday, October 21, 1975, I was interviewed by Vv Wary DeOreo and Mark Gitenstein, at the Bureau im Assistant Director John Uintz’s office. Interview commenced at 9:35 Ait and was concluded by 10:45 AM. i was not sworn in, nor advised — ae Of my rights, Prior to the interview I had been informed by . ast.dr: SA Pal Daly that it was merely an interview and was to pertain sini. —— £9 the Liles maintained by former Director John Edgar Hoover, Co ta, wand that while I would not have an attorney with me, should any Files & Con. ueSbion arise which I felt was outside the scope of the inquiry, , Assoc. Dir. Gen. tw. —tg. call either SA Seymor Phillips or himself, Mr. Daly. Mr. Gitenstein did most of the questioning with Miss DeOrea taking notes, although she asked some questions also. Set out Intell. below is a summary of the questioning, although it may not be in fg Laboratory Plan. & Evol. sect. Lhe order asked, ‘\Bb - att ad he ere ORIGINAL AND ONE COPY TO AG a fs Wee oe woe Telephone Rm. — LL = 67 = (Personnel file of Mrs. E D. Metcalf) Director See'y — SMBLnRPOM C] (1 OSLETYPE uniT (_] Ez E PAGE. s#vaiyo" NW 55079 Docivs2909606 Page 224 __ eneLosure ¢,< SY%, NOME PASE. SE ag gg
NW 55079 Doclid: 32989536 Page 225 U. S&S. Senate Select Committee toa Study Goveramental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities (S3¢) Re: Interview of Mrs. rma D. Metcalf, Administrative Assistant to the Director o£ the FBI, by SSC Staff Members The questioning started about when I entered on duty in the Bureau and when IT was assigned to Director Hoover's office and the positions held im that office. I was shown a sketch which I understood had been drawn by Miss Gandy reflect~ ing the physical layout of Director Hoover's office and using this layout, I told them that when I was first assigned to the Director's office, I was secretary to Mr. Holloman and pointed out where my desk was located and that I was not in the immediate office with Miss Gandy until 1963. L was asked about whether Mr. Hoover may have confused personal £iles and official-confidential (oc) files and If told them [ certainly felt that was not the case. I was told that in some of the files there would be a "buck-slip" with “P.r." written on it and was asked whether the Director wrote those or Miss Gandy, and that was why they asked if Mr. Hoover might have confused the two. I was told that actually they could not tell in some instances if it was Miss Gandy’s writing or the Dicector’s and that there were several, particularly during 1963. I told them that I was sorry but I could not help them, that actually I was on sick leave in May, 1963, and again from June, 1963, until January, 1954. I was asked who would have been on my desk during that period and I told them Miss Ruth McCord. Mr. Gitenstein indicated that it had been learned from a previleus interview that there were approximately 11 fLlle cabinets Im the office contalnins personal files and OC files and thak an index was kept. I told them tht was my recollection and of those, two drawers were the 0G files and these were in two bottom drawers of one cabinet and that actually, there was a table in front of those drawers with reference books and such kepk on top and in order to get to those files, indicating there was certainly not much reference to them, It was nacessary to pull that table out to get to them. As to the Index, it was one index, and to distinguish personal files from Oc files, ~ Zo
YJ. S, Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities (5S¢) Re: Interview of Mrs. Erma D. Metcalf, Administrative Assistant to the Director of the FBI, by SSC Staff Members the OC files were indexed on pink cards and personal files on white. I was asked if those files were encased in a cabinet, and I told them they were not, that they were merely filing cases; however, in back of Miss Gandy's desk were, I believed if I recalled correctly, four two~drawer filing cabinets, stacked, which were in a cabinet built for them and these contained strictly Mr. Hoover's investment and financial records. I was asked if in the personal files there were any files such as on telephone bills or the like. I toid them there was not, but that In one cabinet there were 2 or 3 drawers which Miss Gandy maintained on such things as telephone and matters pertaining strictly to the maintenance of Mr. Hoover's house. In regard to the 0C files, I informed them that those were sent to Mr. Felt during the week of Mr. Hoover's death as well as pulling the pink index cards, which were then sent to Mr. Felt. I was shown a listing of flles in the 0G files and was asked Lf I had prepared it. 1 told them I had and was asked about the two dates, one in October, 1971, as I recall, which had been scratched out and the date of 4~ ~72 written over it. I told them that I had a very hazy recollection, but it seemed that Miss Gandy had indicated the Director wanted a listing of the OC files and the one in October was prepared; that Mr. Hoover before his death had started going through his personal files and indicating which were to be destroyed or kept and in those were a few which he indicated should go in the 0C files. Upon being questioned as to how this was physically handled, I told them that I would pull the files, place them in a work box and Miss Gandy would take them im to the Director and the Director indicated to her his desires and she would so indicate by putting a notation on the file itself. I said that I would then destroy the ones so indicated and would pull the index cards from the index pertaining to those. Mr. Gitenstein « 3 = - NW 35079 Doocld: 32999536 Page 226
é ¢q¢ U. S. Senate Select Committas to Skudy Covarancvatal Operations With Lespect te Tntelliponsa Activities (55¢) fet Interview of Mrs. dima DB. Hatcalf, Auministrative Assistant to the Director o£ the POE, by SSC Staff Members polated out that some of the Listin: was single spaced and most double spaced ond asked if those vould show soma of the personal files ware indicated for OC by the Director and wera merely added In and since most of the sinele spaced items were at the besinning of the alphabat, dow imto the “B's,” that iis, lbover had sotten through that may of his personal files, ond I told hia t felt that vas the casa, In regard to some other single spacad items later in the alphabet, I told him that I folt in preparing the list originally, IT had gotten one or two out of order alphabetically and rather then do over the pave, did ii that way. As to the October date boing scratched out and the 4=u 72 date written over it, I said that [ falt that it was an error on my part, that inmstend of putting 5 (for May), particu- larly since it vas right at the bepiunineg of the month, £ inadvertently wrote "4" instead of "5." I vas quantioned abouk the check marks anpearing beside the Listing soma of which had 2 cheek marks, and £ said that I checked the Listing acainst the octual [iles and chacked them off and where there were Z chacis, © had probably started checking the List and was interrupted and simply started over acain. In regurd to the destruction of the personal files, thoy were primarily interested in ones sent to lin. Upover's home and wny and asked 1f I recalled 2 conversation lilss Gandy hed with tic. Gray and Me. Felt paertuining te furnishing a room | at the Durecu where Liss Gandy could continue working on the files and it was decided they could be sent to Wr. Hoovar's home tere Miss Gandy could continue to work on them. I told them I recalled Mr. Gray being in the offica a couple of times or so, once when he held an Exceutives Conference and o time or two when he stopped in and his talking to Hiss Gandy, but that t wont ohead with oy work and was nok a party to the conversation ard thereferc did not pay any attention. ~hw b 55079 Doold: 32999536 Page 227
U. &. Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities (SSC) Res Interview of livs. Erma D. Metcalf, Administrative Assistant to the Director of the FRI, by 85¢ Staff Members | ~ was asked about the Index for the personal files | and I said it was destroyed. They asked about the procedura of destroying the personal files and I advised I started at one end and Miss Gandy, of course, was occupied with Mr. Hoover's office and packing up the library, etc., and she was working on the other end of the alphabet; I was asked if as the files were destroyed they were checked as te whether anything should go inte the OCG files and whether letterheads or any other manner was used as criteria and I teld them that was not the case as actually letterheads would really not be geod criteria; that it was simply a matter of judgment and, of course, having worked with the files, I would be familiar with the content of a lot of them. I also said that while we had files on all the honors and awards to the Directar, they were merely copies of material in Bureau files. I was asked if in going through the personal files, any were pulled and placed in the OC files and I told them I recalled none being added to the OC files other than the ones added by Mr. Uoover prior ta his death. They asked L£ any files were pulled from the personal files not for destruction and IT stated I recalled one which pertained te an - honer or award Mo. Hoover had received from Romania, I believed, although I could not be sure, which I gave to Miss Gandy inasmuch as I felt it should go back to the State Department or sone such procedure followed. I was asked if there were any files in the personal files which were not correspondence and I said I could cite one example and that pertained to Mr. Hoover's doss - their licenses, shots, cic. I was asked if, when a personal file was pulled and destroyed, at that time the index cards were pulled and destroyed, and I told them that was not the case, that it would be toc time-consuming to pull the cards individ~ ually and that they were destroyed all at once, after, of course, having pulled the pink OC index cards which were sent to Mr. Felt. I was asked in connection with the destruction of tha personal files whether someone from the Washington Field Office came over with an Agent with him to get the material for destruction. NW 55079 Doold: 32959536 Page 226
_ BW S5079 Docid: 32985536 Page 431 + SEE INSTRUCTIONS ON REVERSE CLASSIFY AS APPROPRIATE BEFORE COMPLETING.<- TO:  .Intelligence, Community Staff FROM: ATTN: Central Index EST SUBJECT: Abstract of Information Provided to Select Committees 1. HOW PROVIDED (check appropriate term. If a document was made available. 2. DATE PROVIDED for review but not transmitted, so note.) [[occonenr | [orerine Lg [orewiew| [resto [omer | gapnnyes 3. TO WHOM PROVIDED (check appropriate term; add specific names if appropriate) | fase | tha Attorney General with a copy for forwarding a to the Uhite House 4. IDENTIFICATION (provide descriptive data for documents; give name or identification’ number of briefer, interviewee, testifier and subject) Memorandum repoxting results of on intervies by S&C Stef? Members of firs. Era BD. Netealt, Adeinistrative Assistant te the Director. 5. IN RESPONSE TO (List date and item number if in response to formal request, other- wise state verbal request of (name), initiative, subpoena, etc.) 6. CLASSIFICATION OF INFORMATION (enter, U, C, S, TS or Codeword) U Lin 7. KEY WORDS (enter the appropriate key words from the list provided separately; used underline for emphasis) if key words not Listed are Operating procedures 8. SUMMARY (See reverse side before completing this item) Interviewed concerning files walnteined by former Director Hoover. ALL INFORMATION, CONTAINED y C $ et yf 62-116395 SCTE B By PMK: fnk MOR- No (4) ORIGINAL VIA LIAISON TO CENTRAL COMMUNITY INDEX IN CONNECTION WITH SENSTUBY 75 CLASSIFY AS APPROPRIATE 379] (6-75)
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o - v TO: "MG John As Mintz, Assistant Director Legal’ Counsel Division Fedéral Bureau of Investigation FROM: Steve Blackhurst ° SB Of Assistant Special Counsel for intelligence Coordination SUBJECT CQcnate Select Committee Letter dated September 30 Attached is a letter dated Sentember 30, 1975, from the Chairman of the Senate Select Committee to the Attorney General. response to this letter Please prepare an appropriate Lo - AEG, 4s ~ _ o unl EXE Bate 33M . ahha ae 15 Nov 2: 197 Cees Paul Daly . = PANO 26915 Doeld: 329895356 . Page 233
€ we “% « “ a “ “~ A WILLIAM G. MILLER, STAFF DIRECTOR FREDERICK A, 0. SCHWARZ, JR., CHIEF COUNSEL, . i) SELECT COMMITTEE TO CURTIS R. SMOTHERS, MINORITY COUNSEL ar fej GSTUBY GOVERNMENTAL. OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES ~ . 7 FRANK CHURTA, IDAHO, CHAIRMAN * e JOHN G, TOVIER, TEXAS, VICE CHAIRMAN SS PHILIDVAL HART, MICH, HOWARD H, BAKER, INN. WALTER F, MONDALE, MINN, BARRY GOLOWATER, Fgpe- :, WALTER D.UEDL Seti, KY, CHARLES MCC. MATHIAS, JRuy MDs } (ROBERT MUNGAN, Hc} RICHARD &, GCHWEIKER, PAs ° § GARY HART, Cobo, re Blrrite ales ~perncatie . wea i (PURSUANT To S, RES.‘21, 4TH CONGRESS) ‘hj Art i HAI WASHINGTON, D.C. 20510 GR: September 3Q, 1975 - j24 Attorney General Edward H. Levi Department of Justice Washington, D.C. 20530 Dear Mr. Levi: It has been called to my attention that certain materials reviewed by Senator Howard Baker of the Select Committee as part of the Federal ‘Bureau of Investigation's “file” may be of value in the Committee's investigations. The specific materials in question reflect the interception of communications investigation conducted by the FBI pertaining to Senator Baker. I am requesting that the Committee staff be given access to these materials according to the normal procedures agreed between the Justice Department and the Committee. Senator Baker concurs with this request. _ ; i“ Sincérely, hawt, - ank Church ‘ hairman CC: Michael E. Shaheen, Jr. * OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS . DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL / - ° a ' FED, BU. OF INV. DEPA OCT 6 1975 BALES 16 UNCLASSIN patel s tis srabal sumlene men CANEY GENERA DEPUTY ATTGAREY GEN EGAL os b a le 5 Zs (0G; ‘¢ USD. BU. OF INV? ENCLOSURE R:A.8. vs FLSCISLATIVE AFFAIRS NW.55079 .Docld:32989536 Page 234__ Y