HW 50529 Wants me to reserve Governor's Suite at the Adolphus “otel for « few days. That there would be 3 from Chicago and 2 from Las Vegas. Mdde reserva- tions through Jack Lestey et the Adolphus Hotel. Said he has guns order- ed but they are hard to get. Wants big room where they can hold a con- ference and n ot be going in and out all the time. all was recorded. Paul B. Jones and Jack Knapp arrived todey from Chicago vie Kansas City aboard Braniff Airliner. “Ship was ebout 2 or 2 hours late, due to bad weather. (9,20 A.M.) They are now resistered in room 831 Adolphus “otel. Paul Jones was contacted by Butler shortly after his arrivel at the Rex Liquor Store, C1419 Commerce and Akard. This was epproximately 11.45 A.M. After eating, getting a hair cut and changing clothés they contacted Butler at his home, 425] Cedar Springs. They arrived at Butler's house about 2.45 P.M. at which time Peul Jones introduced his man as Jack Knapp. Room 831 Adolphus. Various phases of the local set up were discussed and the following plans were made. Jones would probebly have his other men here by 3 P.¥#. tomorrow (11-6-46) and he would be most happy to be at Steve's house by thet time. ‘He would also like to have Steve's chief deputy on hand at the meeting so they would thoroughly understand each other from the stert. Present would be their big lawyer from Chicago who is Supposed to.be the best in the whole country. At this meeting further plans would be made to set things in action to move in gradually. Jones talked about buying the Chicken Par at Ft. Worth cat off and Industriel Blvd. for €1853000.00 The money to come from his people and the place to be converted into a gambling club and night spot. Ne said other locations were discussed but this was the perfect location, in regard to the new club at Lobello's, Jones had the following to say. +t was not operated by his people. -+t was a "key" club with e very select, limited membership of 300 keys. +t was being changed over to a very high class "joint". Sowever, there was nothing to worry about. His people would cut off his wiskey, beer, geming ecuipment, have the place reided and before you knew it, Mr. Lobello would have to close. His se- Tection of some of the most prominent people was primarily for political protection. Jack Knapp did not have much to Say. He did comment thet things would be so gradually opened and all by local people that no one could trace or put any heat on the D.A. or Sheriffts office. That no violence would re- sult from their method of operation, no one would be killed, snd every One would meke lots of money. Knapp said his home wes in Fort Smith, érk. and that he had operated a lot in “ittle Rock. He said he end Paul registered as being from Buffalo, N.Y. Knapp talked more like a southerner. He seid he had been in the army Docld: 322741873 Page 57
HW 50529 we ede TR itn, BSG Geet a a a gee mee SF DoclId: 322741873 Page 58 during the war, going over seas with an armored outfit, but failed to name his orgenization. Knapp is appsrently smooth, well educated and obser- vant. My personal impression was that he was a Federal man working under cover. He seems to be about 27 years old, 5'8" or 9", ruddy complexion, gray eyes, full face, brown hair, about 160" very well dressed but not flashy. He was all eyes anc ears and let Jones do most of the talking, verifying what jones seid by a shake of his head. Jones also said he would have plenty of help in getting things rolling. Theat efter things were going smoothly he would teke off and leave the oper- ation in the hands of an ecually experienced man who has been here for - some time. (Harry Hornstein). | Be said his people had some of the largest beer distribution in Dallas end the same epplied to whiskey. They could use these things to get things done without eny actual force. Jones said he knew the local syndicate wes very muchly interested in him and his activities and that Was one reason he registered as being from Buffalo. Apparently this was his idea. He hinted that the local people would be surprised to know just how much their Supposedly hidden activities were known. Both men thought it was a swell idea to meet at Steve's house. It would do no one any good for any of them to be seen together. In the morning, they are going to rent a car to use. This is better and less noticeable than a texi, so they said. Jones indicated that 3 more men were due in Dallas tonight or tom- orrow. 4t the same time he said it was important that all be present. dé said he was sure that I, Butler, would be handsomely taken care of. Due to the heavy rain end their inability to get a cab + took them to their hotel. “e went by way of Industrial Blvd. and Commerce where Jones showed the Vhicken Ber to Knapp and pointed out the advantages of the lo- cation. ASnepp said.it looked O.K, to him. + let them out of my car in front of the Margues at 1404 Mein about 4.20 P.M, 4n regard to the guns Jones said that they sent dbut e man in Chicago to get one. He had never heard anything about this type of pistol before. When he came back, empty handed, he told all the boys he was going to get one ov the damn things for himself. After the explanation was made, by their "messenger" Jones seid he wented one personally, too. Just before they left Chicego they heard where one could he obtained. If it is still there it will be brought in by his man in the morning. Jones gave me at $20.00 bill, Serial #327964065. They are going to be at Steve's house at 3 P.M. tomorrow. . -2-
HW 50529. 11-6 Paul R. Jones end Jack Knapp met Guthrie and Butler at Steve's house, 6263 Malcolm, about 3.10 ©.li.° qq conversation end negotiations were recorded. About 6 ¥.M. both men remembered they had to meet he big man from Chicego et the airport. Ynable to get a cab, Butler carried them to Love Field in Steve's old Coupe. Later Jones called and made a date to meet them at Steve's house at 8.20 A.®, _ 11-7-Z6. 1-7-6. Paul Jones, Jack Knapp and a men introduced to us as Pat Mannings sue, arrived at Steve's house in a yellow cab #46, at ebout 8.40 AM, Camera set up by T.H.P. man nemed Tisgele. Cap't Naylor of State Rangers recorded conversation which took place in Steve's study at home office. Present at these negotiations were Steve Guthrie, Pat Manning, Paul Jones, Jack Knapp end George Butler, Various problems in connection with fixing the various people in~ volved were discussed. It was indicated that already in the bag were: Al Templeton, Gonzeles, Will Wilson and that the city would be an easy change over, come” the April elections, Manning commented that he had been doing- business for thepast 15 years and, as yet, had not run into any serious trouble. That he was here to bankroll the local Operation. That he had a section of Chicago and everyone there was making money and happy. That other operations over the ecuntry were run in the same set up and no one was any wiser. That he wes very muchly interested in the numbers or policy wheels, and the crap games. He wanted it understood, though, that the deal covered all forms of busi- ness and named slot machines, horse joints, policy, punch boards, crap games, wire service, footbell selections and other forms of legitimate take. Se was not interested in dope, whores, thieves, or any grend jury or DA. fix or eny form of crime other than gambling. His people would cooperate with the Sheriff in every Way to discourage the more violent and serious Crimes. That they were going to send dowm a man right away to meke a sur- vey of every local set up, and this would be in such a way that no one would become wise. Manning, Jones and Knapp were carried from Steve's house by Butler to the Snowden Dist. Co. 1311 Ross Avenue, one of their connections. Un the ride down Menning made the comment thet he wes leaving town this P.M. but Knapp said something to him ebout staying over and his leaving is now un- certain. Butler commented that he was On his vacation and wanted to take his wife on a nice little trip. Knapp said no, you stay here snd help us with Steve and yu won't i pe sorry. So, Butler agreed to stey- Most of Docld: 322741873 Page 59 -9-
| AW 50529 the time spent at Steve's was spent by the boys in selling the Sheriff a sweet smelling set of goods. Pat Manning in Room 1044, Adolphus Hotel. Menning caught the 4.45 P.M. Braniff Plane out of Dallas, bound for Chicago. Jack Knapr is still in town. Both Knapp and Paul Jones are going to Uhicago in the next few days. Paul Jones celled tonight about 6.20 P.li, with ebove info. | Jones said that everything went off U.K. but he wants to get together - with me and let our hair down. That he wanted us to confide in each other. He wanted me to meet the big boys, both locally and the ones who would come in, on a social basis. Jones asked if I thought Steve had given the go ahead in good faith. Today, at the meeting at Guthries, Menning accidentally pulled out of his pocket 4 roll of large bills, £1,000.00. The roll wes bent in the mid- dle end folded over. It was about as thick as ea package of cigarettes. When he sawm me looking at it he hurriedly stuck it beck in his pocket. *ater, when we got into my car, Il saw Manning hand Paul Jones some- thing 1 wes sure was the roll of bills. Jones. went back into the house and came out shortly with Steve. After a short conversation on the porch, Jones got in the car and we left. I called Steve later and asked him if Jones hadn't offered him some money. He said "Yes, it wes a roll of lerge bills, which he estimated as being around $15,000.00.. My own estimate would be approximately $25 - #50,000.00 if all were $1,000.00 notes. Steve said he rejected the money and to tell Jones when I saw him thet he thought it. wasia poor way to give a men a "hand-out™. Judge Al Templeton and his wife Allie, were the guests of Paul Jones in their recent trip to Mexico City, according to Paul. Shortly after Manning, Knapp and Paul Jones left the Snowden Dist. Co. they returned tc the hotel, had dinner and then Manning called on Eerl Dalton at the Southland. He told Dalton he understood: Dalton was formerly “Gonnect- ed with some people in Chicago. That he, Manning wes in the beer racket and wented to move to Dallas. That the elections in Chicago put a lot of heat on his business and they were going to have to lay low for a while. Manning was very curious about the local racket set up, local politics, how much power the Texas Rengers has, if the Rangers could go over a Sheriff's head, how the city was fixed, how the city and county got along together, in short, he tried to find out as much as he coulda about the local syndi- cates method of operation. He told Dalton he was leaving on the 4.45 P.M, plane for Chicago. Docld: 32241873 Page 60