HW 532716 B. . | _-SECRET e @ ‘= 62 = No, for the collection.... What is its name? I do not remember, I do not remember. Very well, I will assume, I will believe, that this was in 1953 when you collected dues, and you have forgotten. But since 1956, when you entered the Party, until 1964, you paid Party dues. Right. Every month.... Three percent every month. You see, and every month you came to the Secretary of the Party organization and every time you saw this list. Right. From this experience, you should know what this list is called. How is it called? The devil knows -~ a list; that is all. It is the same in both Komsomol and Party; the only difference is that one says "VLKSM" and the other "KPSS". Absolutely the same list. Well, what is the name. I do not know; list, list. DoclId:327404701 Page 65
HW 532716 Now, listen; it is foolish that the Komsomol organization Secretary who collected the dues does not know the name of the. list.... Well, list; that is all. I do not remember anything more. That is not all; that is not all. This is the same as yesterday, when you told me "It is the anketa and nothing else". Anketa, and then the questions. Rubbish. Well, like it or not, that is rubbish; because there is something more written on the sheet, and there is a name for it. No! Anketa; that is all. What kind of anketa? What? What about? There is nothing else written on it. It is not stamped secret, or top secret, We will return to the matter of how it is stamped and the heading. What interests me right now is why the Secretary of a Komsomol organization does not know what this list is called. I do not remember; list. Well, alright; let us go further. How do you record the Komsomol members in this list? ((B's surname and initials)); then the column in which the Komsomol card number is recorded. Then, the last month is recorded... well, the first column -- the SECRET DoclId:327404701 Page 66
HW 53716 B, CRET -~'G4 — name; the second column -- card number; third column -- the last month of payment of dues; fourth column -=« the month for which the dues are being paid; (XG) and the sixth column -- the signatures of those who have paid. Alright; you have made the record, and you have the money and signatures in hand, | What do you do then? I turn the money in to the nearest collection cashier. The cashier's office was on Kuznetskiy Most'. Well, what else? I receive a receipt from the cashier for having turned in a certain amount of money. What else? Then I turn the receipt and the list in to the Komsomol Committee. What then? That is all for the dues. Where was this collection cashier office located? On Kuznetskiy Most'. Kuzgnetskiy Most' crosses Zhdanov Street. It was on the corner of Zhdanov Street and Kuznetskiy Most’. You enter from the corner. This was a savings bank or a branch of a rayon bank. Well, what do you do if a member has not paid his dues? I do not do anything; when he pays the next time, I find out the SECRET DoclId: 327404701 Page 67
HW 53716 DoclId: 327404701 Page 65 reason, Of course, if he is around, I will find him; but if he is not around... on leave... he will pay when he returns. Of course, Komsomol and Party members usually pay in advance if they know that they are going on leave, He leaves his Komsomol or Party card with the Secretary of the Komsomol or Party organization, together with the money which he is supposed to pay for the next month while he is on leave. While you were a Secretary of a Komsomol organization -- if you were one == how many times, at Komsomol meetings, did you give recommendations for entering the Party? I do not remember. I do not remember; perhaps one or two times. Do you remember for whom it was” I do not remember. I think... there was in our First Department, Feliks RAKOVSKIY. Well, this Feliks RAKOVSKIY makes me sick; do not mention him again, Why? Because you mention this Feliks RAKOVSKIY, Feliks RAKOVSKIY everywhere. Well, this was the First Department, where I began working. Is there anyone else? Because, other than Feliks RAKOVSKIY, I see no one else, Of the girls -- I do not remember who, I do not remember. We will return to the old question.