(1os-10241-10002) serene gy Se = wie cepene wines eseme emee wes - eon ap semana amma ert en = eee ree e cera a _ MEMORANDUM FoR: Chief, SR/CI 14 May 1965 SUBJECT } 3-13 May Interregatien ef NOSEWKO te Although I have attended all nine (S$) sessions in the current phate ef HOSENKO's interregation, I as yet have been unable te determine the reasens fer the interregaten}") conduct and manner and the true purpese ef the phase itself. . 2s As the interrogater neted in the beginning, he is te be cencerned enly vith “certain persenal matters." The interregatien ef HOSEMKO alcng a such lines and WSENKO's respenses — neither have preduced any change in Hy epinien ef NOSENKO ner have appeared te have opened up any new, useful er valuable infornition te us. 3. Perhaps, from the psychelegists' point ef view, this interrogation has been ef seme values but, even 4f this is se, I cannet see it from a review ef his reperts. These reperts all contain basic errers arising frem the psychelegist's lack of knewlédge ef Soviet reality and his lack ef experience with the trus nature ef Soviet man, The psychelogist is net ~ prepared te properly deal with and evaluate NOSEIKO because ROSENAO is first, a Russiang second, @ Geviet; third, a Communist; and, in adéition te all of this, a highly trained {ntelligence agente 4e ROSEHAO is one of a ‘Kind, It is quite Likely that the psychelégist ® never has experierced such a personality before, Then, with the wide @ifference in their backgreunds and the psycholegist's resulting inability ts understund NCSENKO's character, it is understandable that be cannet | “properly jusce ROSENKO and his conduct. The-nmest-we can beanie ge on in BOSELZOts case imatecmm are the carefully ‘c nsidered epinions ef these whe . : pone ma as neeatoe* 2 pene ce bao Mn se er erence ‘ .
7490000 | 8 1 have backgrounds more similar te that of ROSENAO and experience vith persens ef NOSELXO's type. This becemes mere ond rere obvious te me as 1 heartina the psyckelegist Bay, "Well, he is probably telling the truth," when £8 I have | seen Clearly that HOSEN<O hae been lying. There have been many such cases in this Rl latest phase ef the interregatien. | 5e As a result of such instances — instances of "seft interregation," where ROSENKO!'s ebvicus liey have not been challenged — OSENKO can new enly be getting the imressien that there still is a way eut for his, Ve mat remenber that HOSENAO came te Bs prepared only fer corplete success er failures; he expected that in ths case ef failure he vould be subjected te EG6U hard interregatien, harsh treatment, streng punishment. Yet he new finds himself in the peculiar pesition ef having ROWMmOsspoNNgeneOM outwardly failed in his primary assignment, yet being faigky well treated and allewed te ‘csentime with his lies and dezinferratsiya despite his detention, Hs can new enly be thinking that there still is seme hepe for hin and fer his missions ; 6. In his repert on the 3 May session (first sessiop), the decter a 4 wrete: %,.. After apelegizing fer having stcrach trouble he became mest . receptive and even eager te cooperate, In general his manner during the * Sapa. interviey remained relaxed, ssentanseus and relevant.se. As the interview progressed it wes azparent te re that he was getting considerable psychelogical welief frem the nterview. At the time he left, he actually told me geodbyesese” Thies is typical of many such statensnts ani incddehts which are my reasons fer asking — do we really need. this kind of interrogation? Mianijosaoannean BAST AA EN bt ih IH BA VRE MMOG2EY Aside a, ot , —_—_— fren congidemty the reyert itself ve mist ask if we really necd to concern ou-eelyes with giving KOSENKO ";sychelegical relief." If not — and since it is ebvious we are getting nething else eut of it. ~— then this type ef — Pye Br . §
14-00000 t 3 rebr tee interrogation sheuld bs abardened.M 7. Elsevhere the paychelegist urites that "the picutee that HOSENKO painted ef his father vas thet ef a hard verking matese. Accredited as a verker at 13 or Theses Be graduated frem the institute the year after BOSENZO was bern in 1928. HOSENKO tells of being told that his father would verk at heme on his studies while belding ROSEHLO asress his “knees te quist hin when he weuld cry.” We knew all of this — except the fact that feBENKO held his sen acress his knews -- fren the Seviet newspaper, Pravda, 3 August 1956; and what father has net held his erying child acress his kmeos te cenfert hin? , 8 It is certein that MUNN eur HOSENKO did have a father, and tims it is quite likely that this father held him acress his xreexe Yet this dees net answer the real question -- is our HOSSHAO's father Ivan Isiderevich BCSENSO? . 9_ BOSENKO teld us in this first sessien that his father studied in the Rabfak and the institute while working fulletiwe during the years 1923-28. fie decter vas quite Impressed with BOSELEO's statements en this. Yet Pravig oe, ’ netedenly the studies ef (again on 3 August 1956, in ROSENKD's obituary) rucieh/ tives YOSENKO, Ivan intderevich jfaniansiO020t NOSENKO, Svan Isiderevich, else /been verking at the ex. time he vas studying, Pravéa vould have mentioned this without fail, because St vas that much mere te KOSENSO's credit, Further, the 3 August 1956,Pravia ....  glearly stated that after graduation from the institute, MSEHiO, I. I., was sent te EMM a shipbuilding plant. 410, In the sare sessien, HOSENAO stated that at sexe peint in 1922 his ; Aug 56) ~ father was admitted te the Party. Praviafotates that ROSENKO I. I. entered the Party in 1925. Accerding te NOSENKO his family meved te Leningrad early in 19346 Pravda (3 Aug 56) states that they moved in 19356 “ ce erection EEN | aedinnrnininninlne | om new sectgemra pene Core amementen satan + conan vennemineee Be 18 Hay Mn annpone a ae eee
ae. punted amas son onle me > © die saan Pe Pye te SF SmRRAOPET | EL | Ge Mecitvermnatnd & ‘1 SRRRESEGURS RES erage cag een tata EEE EATERS EEE EEE EEE EE ED EST te teen A AE : “ cs eer APT G OF GH EIEPEOS PY YB -“\ wn thd doin “410 Uf BOSEKKO dees not renseter what his father did.— how be terked and  gtudied, when the family moved, when he was admitted te the CPSU — uby does ne net say se? Why is he apparently guessing at these things? Alee, why can't ke. remexber these things when ke can remember being held acress his father's knees? 12. The psychelegists repert includes and assessment ef HOSERAO's rethers ®gn hypethesis that could be rade based on the description of the mother, vould ‘be that she weuld have dif:iculty adjusting avey frem Nikelayev where she bad been bern and where she could depend on her rether." Of vhom is this net tree? Who dees net experience seze difficulty in neving avay frea faciliar neiphberhoods and friends? . De ve really need this assessrent ef NCSENSO's nethors eretiens ef 35 years age? De wa need it badly enough te srend this much tine and effort getting 1t? . 13. The psychelogist's repert continuest “eee His OXSENKO's) nether eentinued te get sup ert froz her father, and they appare:tly lived better (or beyond their means) in Leningrad." Se what? Is the point that we sheuld thanx KOSENSCts grandoether fer helping IOSENE) grow and com to ws? Waa If net, then again what is the peint? Why de we need this? 14. It 4s ny opinion that the type MGM and line ef questioning used ae aM o* present in this phase ef MOSEN<O0's interreg.tien should be abandened j we tust drop this oclicy ef lething NOSENSD racble en freely and unintermotedlys abeut the unimertant details of his youth. Instead, we sheuld begin rew te press MOSENAD ami question him in detail absut such. things ast a, His father’s life (ve still cannot be certain that NOSEXKO's fether was the I. I, WOS2XKO); fer example, HOSENKO's father's service in ae — Chou (& what credit was given ROSENKO for this while he was: working in State . Seeurs Hi was it even mentioned in his file?); b. His grandfather (external); for example, his arrest and éeath in 2a Timea eee meme oe cee ann eaeny Gen EEN FY genre ee "er 259 nage enter tase oe ees amen Be meneese=
omy jail, the rele this played when KSEHAO entercd the KCB, the manner dn ubich it vas recerded in HOSLHKO's file, HOSENKO's questiening in Persennel (identl< ties ef Perssnnel enzleyees included) abeut thisg MOSENKO azeke with seme : happiness and gratitude ef the financial assistance given his family by the grerdfathsr — the EGB weuld have been mest unhappy te learn ef thisf, 45. If BCSENKO were really tke perses he clairs te be he vould have’ spéxen mere precisely ef his father's rank (rank given and dats received) /. Aecerding te Pravda, in 1944 NOSEILO'S father get the rank ef Engineer-Rear Sere fdwirel. NMSCE0544M The real EOSENKO alse sheuld be able te tell us mere decarations precisely of the MOGeheremin given his father. According te Pravda, ha was avarded three Orders of Lenin, Order ef Kakhimev First Class, three Orders ef Red Banner (Laber), Order of Red Star, Order ef "Medal of Honor (Znak Pecheta),? 16. Further, in order te be certain that we have the real MOSENKC, we sheuld question his in detail abeut his father's death and fumeral, starthg with the- illness and the decters in attendance through the precession fren the | Ball ef GCelumms te the Kremlin vall. Ide net wish te include such detailed questions ia this nexe, but can deam preduce them usen request /nimmetes especially these en the funeral precessien, having twice been in such precession s uyself. 17e According te Fravia (5 ing 56), H. I. BOSROVELIDY vas a nenber of ee fel the al comission and epened the funeral ceremony on Red Square. BOBROVIIAOY at hat tine vas Chairman/ ef the Mescew City Council, During the 13 May 1965 interview, ROSENXO mentianed a girl friend, Marina, whe once werked as secretary te BOEROVN:KOV, If this was fen e tres statecent, then NCSEN/O should be ale - - --—— BCSEHKO cheuld prebab-y have alse velunteered the infornation that "this was the sane BOSROVELLOV: whe vas en the cercission fer ny father's funeraleecee® e2 , Se. Pacha jan WR ew a Pat sat IP DRE bare ae a OOO a mae Ra eat we tm a os enw a8 6 RI tintitaet te i i j ft | | te tell us much about BOPROVNIOV, furtherrere, when tal«ing about Marina, 3 a Aeron atte nen
‘BBPRpsetae v neste dla eEToedenetnet AA No Oa SUNT OC ABS LY EEL “ORAS Rew Oem Ter. 8 soe taume M18. 3 May 1965 Intervicue Even new ve. are net certain of the date when the HOSEUKO family neved te Leningrad; NUSENKO says it vas in 1Dbs. but Pravda reperts the rove as having been in 1935. It is peasible to believe that ~~ HOSENKO might have fergetten the date, but we must renenber that he asseciates ths move with his level ef scheolinge That is, HOSENKO says that be moved from ths O-lass in Mikelayev in 1934, when bs was 6 yeers eld; he says that in Leningrad he was in the first grade. sember ae NOSBHKC could pnt nene ef hig friends frem Rikelayey. It is pessible te believe that NOSEIKO night have fergetten these frienia if he had:-~ had ne centact with thes in later yearsg fet NCSENRO hizself says that he visited Nikeluyev twice after the fanily had moved fron there. Certainly he rust have pet with seme of those friends, and mum it is certain alse that he weuld remember these nectings. be Although NOSENAO ceuld remember none ef his friends from likelayev, it ia interesting te nete, he repo=bered vory well that vhen his fantly reved te Leningrad in 1684 they vere met by his father with a "OAL autensbiles &, NOSENKO renerberé alse that while in Leningrad his fanily Lived (1) Pleshchad! Stachek, (2) Gribeyedevfa Kanal, end (3) teenseceneaM ulitse Gorkege. WM But HOSEN could nare ne friends er neighbors vhen he knew well while in Leningrad. ad. NOSENKO never rentions visiting forner frionds when visiting forrer places of residences . e, The psychalogists way 1 accept these "lapses ef tesery” as being “just human,” but I cannste nme £ May Interviews During t this - interview, MSENKO changed his stery gM rer ve eeepecteg a es et umee ee Hh on snes
14-00000 é rob. alightly, saying that his fanily meved te Leningrad in March-April 1935, | vhere he startea the first grade (in Spetenber 1935)» NOSENSO could net, how-ver, describe the schsol er name even ore ef his teachers. When the decter insisted this t.me that NOSENKG naze sone friends, he gave the micknams, "Shturm,® but failed te give the bey's trus namy he alze Maieel gave the name, Oleg DUEIXEE SAFRONOV. Areas nocept as a fact that NOSENXO peasi2Qu really cannet rerexber any ef his friends LOMO Rua fron childheed, we cannet believe that he alse has cezpletcly fergetten abau t the naval scheel and the tekbnikum = 20. General. During these latest sessi-ns, NCSENKO has been trying wery hard to put the recerd of his schoeling in proper order. But in view ef vhat has been stated in the past txismmmmumm and his present errers, it must be said that be is finding it impossible and he is mam net a t all convincing. In ry e:dnien everything he has teld us about this, starting fren the 1941 peried, has been a lie. It is pessible that he really vas in Kuybyshev and Baku for ene reason er another, but AAU his fim description of the circumstances ani situations is unbelievable tum and fits ne Seviet pattern of life. ; 21. On 4 May NOSENED said that while he attended the 585th High Scheel was. dn Mescey, he had twe friends — Vladimir KABANOV and Anateliy TIMAKOV, But these were not fricrds vhe alse lived on Serafinevich Street, nor.were they . children ef Seviet high officials. NOSENKO failed te name any friends vhe | | | 1 1 | woe -- | never convince. re.that he ever really 2aved theres Arong the tee efficials were children of high efficiels, except SABUROV. 22, ROSEMC's description ef his life en Serafinevich Street could : Living on Serafirovich Street, HOSE! RKO mentl loned Eeiaat SHVERIIK Cizcte od te _ According to my knowledge, prior te WW 6 a = many ether renbers ef the . oy ~“s¢ > e FF:
74-90000 . a . RT og ‘ 3 bie a | &. . ATS ra o : f o eo ete road . Soviet covernzent alse were ‘Living there (KAGANOVICH, otce)e ety NOSEMLO is . 7 1 + / the persen he clains te be he sheuld be able freely te. nae and discuss many persens MMMNOM from aneng the first-ranking officials whe lived on . . Serafinevich Streety net just SHVERMIE (vheze address, incidentally, already — a oy bas bsen published in The Secret Verld oof . - =e soe a i { Frame
14-00000  ——— | SECRET 24 Ma 1965 i. lt was the ntenti n of the uncersigned te aiiend every session conducted by the dzcter in hope to ga:n somethi:g nev and useful fer our future a | interrogations, . During these sessions, I ranaged enly te refresh ny renory ef things MOSEKo had ;revieusly aaid., Koth.ng new er significant develeped during these sessions except fer a few niner facts vhich have ne great value, It sheuld be rentiered that rany of the facts that NCSEN<G stated about his past life were cere rixed up than the stery he had ' previously related, , ee ee 1 20 It is not the :ntent ef ths :aper te eriticize the vork which the , socter hus done because the sessions have alreadly takes phhce and the werk ‘5 completed, Hy nain ebjection to this type ef interregatien . dis that the dcctor tried te raintein a neutral altitude ang nover wy epinion that § challanged any ef NUSENKOts statements. It is/the doctor rade a mistake dm the lust session when he teld N.SELEG "¥ ou are ICSENERO.® This leads ~ i SO BUSENEO te believe we accepted his life story and fanily backgreund,and it veuld be very bard te questien him again en ‘tals subject. It is uy | epinivn that ve did net have eneugh infernatisn te make a cefinite eee. @ nclusi-n that he is IXSESKO, Uhat M/SEIXO teld us could be ebtained or learned by snother persen very vell etogden these rat OTSe Mes ef the inforcation that KCSENSD gave te us sbout his parents is ‘StiLInst = c.nvine-ng te make cerclusions . Mast ef the questi ns during the recent ; : s sessicns vere of a Leading nature and NSERED's ansverms appeared te ° f | | be of the type that the doctor vanted. , 7 APPROVED FOR RELEASE 1994 * GIA HISTORICAL REVIEW y PROGRAM | Siesinrceonnecmmnamens em » DS ee
14-00000 se rene an eipmatige cme eh 8 tte eran eth toe wo De haeee 6 AAGIED 2 GaAs AERO AD HIE EE Lm OUEPD > Ow tt AOD eee - ——hes been akloved te-cay Little or nothing about the lives ef ‘rpertant 38 In cy opinicn, MSEKC did not say pore about his father,and in many instance less, than the newspsper Pravda said in 1956. | 3. In the dectoris opinion, NCSEKKC rentioned to us quite a few fanily friends who vere \iround the ROSENKO family end at the first leek it is @ nvincing that i ULSENKO, In ry epinion, NUSNEKO gave te us asseciated enly names whe logically vweuld be scomorkxtad with ICSENXO er UCSHIEG's revealing rather, and nething S2tzthing about their activities or private lives. Significantly, ‘est net the inforraticn ICSENKO has given us is abeut pseple whe ere ithe @ither dead or ne longer in authority. Fer exazple, MALYSHSY, (forrer & oputy chairnan ef the Council ef Hinisters, died); Bataan Falettlee BULGANIN, ( ne } cheer Ph KUZNETSOV, al a (shet); SECHERBAKGY, Vw, Gtherde 7 rentioned a. few nares whe are ViPs new , but did not Bay enything LN VAKSAUSUBV, ine sisi, (ne longer a VIP); KABULOY (shot) sp yi R Vk Lorest. a about ite ; Por example, he rentioned SHVEAIIE whe livesen gerifirevminxs Street 9 a fect knovn te everyone, at [tantly ‘frieniship vith ELSYGIN « | a . ally Lately he mentioned real chel ZHUXOV's da ghter whe he knew" ‘wo/have se a geed picture ef Rira \evsote trem one of eur erpleyees as well ss & geod description ef ZHUEKCV's ‘apurtnente 5, ‘The only c.nclusion ve can come to frum the foregoing is that FOSSEED Soviet efficiales,orth.s nan is net MCVELZO and ail he knows is the ee at a I i russert AR ee caeel fi SURELY
14-00000 OUP lhe: tinct OO HORSE HDD“ DERCAMN, « seoe = Aree: et opus TDG RETIEES CROTERDS ote eaneunrerern 9 ARR arkansas eae ee 6 SEDER ds the legend which has been provided him er or ansvers which he ceuld figure eut hicself. 6. Withe regard te his rether, he did not rentien anything of impertance to use He did net mention any ef his rether's friunds aneng Soviet ViPs, and tried te avehd er change the cubject vhen this matter was bewught up. 7. Ian not convinced that NCSENZO lived on Serimevicha and Granovskly Streets because he gave 6° Little inferzatien abeut these areas that it is inpessi.le te judge if he actually lived there. Although he _ gave correct inferration abeut a few ViPs whe lived im heuses:a that area, other details are lacking which weuld confirm his residence therée 8, HCSENKO's lateat information on his educaticnal backgreurd is se nixed up and ba made se Rany mistakes regarding Soviet realities that it 4s impessible te be.leve ictoee any part of hia educatiene 9, I dentt believe any part ef HOSEUKO's stery about his nil tary services "The aval. Preperatery Scheel in Baku and Leningrsde® Accerding te Soviet regulation , & persen wag usually called in the arny when he is 19 (those called be culled at age 18. “ho have graduated frem high scheol er otherwise have a higher educatic ECSESEO Spocex was bern em thax 30 Octeber 1927 , then he weuld be 18 years eld en 6 Octeber 19450 He ceuld be cal’ ed inte the arny at this tine, a the rel of 3945, althsugh he should have been 18 by September of that years Ordinarily, he! ‘ould be called to service in 1046. In wy epinien, everything oe ated HCSENKO said atlout his military backgreund in any king ef service scheol i _ priser to the falt, ef 1945 is a lie. NCSENXO, then did net attend the Higher Naval Schecls in \entngrad and Daku because he vas tee young te attend these , 7 é ee Nd ea cremmangpan oo +
14-00000 Bee heenn aR SRERERERAaERaiS Aa ee RECA AX a Pas seme pore d achoals * “pd the echuels only accepted students. ube vere ready fer regular fer acceptance in these dcheolg was nilitary service, and ‘the, lovest age/wantioke 18 yearse Then. we stall have ‘unanswered ‘questions ¢ on uhere, when, and how KcSEIiO firksahea high sch:ol.e NCSEKLOts story thet he took Bone courses in Mescew Evening High © Sch. ol Attached to omer Institute and i his atten-ence at the Leningrad Shipbulld ng Technicum , I consider’ as a complete 1ey because it does ret f os : . 4." J 4 Legical fe st - \ e: . fit any/pat:ern of Ssviet reality. fii . 7 a ? 10. It is cy belief that hc SEN ZO plobay never Wes in seat eilitery service and defintely did not splativery eath the wa bes doses ted it, _ SeQe, thet he kktax teek the oath at the ate of 15 er 16 th Balu. Site net conduct 3 ‘ ie necessary to xu any ringer research since an Andivid tad t te be 18 and on active duty de the service in’ ‘order te be cligibae ‘° ‘ate. Fe, ne the military eath, If ud entove that ir sexto Vas sdedtred te tg s : 7 Leningrad Higher Military; Preparatery Scheel in ‘Sous with 9 grsies of 3 hovever, A \ education { he veuld not be adrd.ted te the school because of his age and because he could not taka the oath uatdl Octeber 19454 Ne 11, Dering the ‘ast interrogation 9 ‘there Was some confusion on ECSENKO's part abeut b:s ns stary ranks. And‘ ‘new we have three different steries abeut his rankse Jr. Lte — June 1947 f ee! ae Lte = spring ef 1951. |! Sr it ~~. ond of 53 or Cattle dlse has atated that be ‘uaa proxsted’ te Lt. im 2860Rast interview, he pated thet be vas promoted te Sr Lt in April I ee a SEE ETS B+ }
14-00000 Capt — July 1956 Major — Aug/Sept 1959 abled: He ref staten that he never was & Eajore, Lt Cel-Moy 1963 — . he Kesard hig | Proznotion had te ‘be a,preved by the Central Cenrnittee because ef bis sheuld be serieusly and/censidered as a complete lie, youth. These sterics abuut his military raske sheuld nat be taken l. NCSENZCEEX stated (7 My 1965) thet he teck the cath Jn Baku oo r 4n 1943 when hs was 15 years old, but hs did not reverber hew he enrelled a in the B alu scheel, In the saze reeting, he stated that while he was in. eo ass yeuneemmmpemen hen etae |t = the Baku seheel he wes komandir etdelenlya., Aise in the sate interview he  ptated that he was in the Neskevakly Fictskiy Kiipazh. It should be said that Pereerrenemnn the Meskevskiy Fietskly Kkipazh was only fer naval persennel. vhe were called ‘§m the regular naval service. All ef thin gheuld be consideredas a Lies 2. Cn 10 Voy 1965, KCSEKKG stated thet screwhere he was arrested ineident really took place, it is mre likely that papa helped him te get eut of the arrest er it is pessible te think that after this arrest fer sore crize unknewn te us he was put in jail and then ina concentration « er laber carp. This is why ECSENEO tells us a story that in- 1944,in the fall, he was vo-king for tve or three mnths 2n the forest, vhers he get sick and cunditiers vere very bad. As RCSERKO described it, the ¢ nditia s | a vhen he was 16 yeara old and vas xx put under hine arrest. If this isk. i § | $ i t hewrmeacecnenue, . . . - FHOUREEE cn Reems sme Ree tet: oe ee _ n a .
14-00000 ee aes le eee ge we a ne eee ® . . on OE 7 See 3. Accord ng te KCSERKC's latest story, he voluntarily went te the naval preparatery scheel of Frunze in 1944 but he didn't start any studfes until Kevexber or Decenber 1944 because the vhole school vas vorking in the ferest. ‘Then in February or Yarch 1945, the shooting — accident teek plece and he spent seme tires in the hospital and in May he enrolled in e shipbuilding teclicum, LOSENKO tried te rake us believe that while he was in the naval preparatery scheel he studied ith ‘grade aubjects, but as we can see, in actual fact, he dia not study ‘anything because he had no tine. Laters he stated that sium he enrelied sim in the shipbuilding technicum in Vay onthe next menth he guuduated and received his cert‘ficate as if he graduated fren a high achsol, and got the right te ge te a higher institution. Only a crazy person could believe this aterys &e During all the interrogations, ve never got a clear picture internal how he received his first/passpert in Leningrad and hew he received his first military ticket. If he really wus ceneblized ard put in the maerve it sheuld take place screvhere later than Octeber 1945 when he became 18 years eld. Definitely there will be re talk about any wilitary ticket “is befere yeu reach 18*years old€. And mere Likely at that tim he ‘sheila hve been 19 years 634 te have been called inte the service er peated te the reserve, It bhould be noted here if NCSKELO really vas in the naval © proparatery sehedl in 1944 and 1945 and received his cilitary ticket in 1945 then he d-finitely sheuld be twe years eléer than he cleizs, Si Cp gs Ray 25 aaa aaa nae SC Vl taeeseirh ta Oa :
14-00000 ' S» On 20 May NUSERKO ense again renbioned thu thut the werking hours ef the Fr « "Vt : : bean & . « (nS Fay, HOSENKO naced cere friendse He centicned again SABU’- “Vis Buns. Che ef then xdlled his wifes (Valya Yofrinoval, the daughter ef do;uty minister YEFRIMY)« He Killed her because he found her in bed with another vane De,uty Minister Vv. Ve YEFRIGY was deputy te N.SENEC’s father. He vas at his funeral and delivered a eppech in Red Square during the funeral ceresenye it was neticable that tuoctioxbousexte when we questioned h.m abcut friends he always renti.ned SABURCY, ALPS bso KO enly centioned YEFH.MCV by name and did not give a y details. If I SEMKO is the persen -E~ vets Se life and background ef the deputy te his father, Ami here ag ain we have ‘an oxatple ef a person yhes,septie ge whe is noe lenger a VIP, 6. Cn 6 May NCSENKO teld us stories about the eldest sen ef SABUROV whe was” narried the daughter ef the forrer Minister of Railroads KOVALEV . it sheuld be neted here that the full stery of ACVALEV was published in ay boek The Secret World. KCVALEY vas punished and lest his V.P status in 1950. , 7% On 21 May , in answering the dector!s questie:s% abeut his first werk in the EGB , RCSENKG told us a story hw he received an erder te write a statesent ve atrest a Soviet citizen whe was connected with foreigners. ¢ ERXEAIEX ca Seviet citizen vrete a letter te the American Enbassy) Accerding te BCSERKO he rejected this type ef verk alth:ugh there was BENITA's resélutien fer i2>- arrest ( Russian ver@ is razmetat!). Further, MCSENKO exphaiona that the man vas not guilty. The peint of this stery was te preve that he was working jn the SCD, ; ‘ KGB vere fren 10:30 in the corning until 1 e'cleck in the rerningy with a 8 oe OS Shsige DP ante dE! Sat aE men PRL a cae Pe RP OR eo a ae 2 nin erent mae emanates 2 [ee cere cum ~
74-90000 ropes ‘ m, . { ge already said befcre Mescew Headquarters my . break between 5 and & in the even nge As BS until later July er August 1953 voricing heurs were from 11 AM te 12 PH with areak from 5 te & in che even-rg~ 1d eblast® KCB , dine uding Mescew ng te i e'cleck in the to city » working hours cere ‘trés 2030: in the rerni ” nernings Sezewhere at the onder ¢ z aly wo the beginning ef August 1953, : werking hours were changed wa Ver) from 9 a, te 6 PM wth a lunch ixckx * break of 1/2 te 1 heur teken Botweon lene ney of 1 Pate 3 PYF fer oo ; ' all the offices of the KCB sneivding| besiquartrs Noa the oblast’. . | Then it is possible te think chat ybee senovhere 1 Nigooes eblast’, F _ Leningrad, er seme ether city; ey EERO used te vork as aXsace « officer | fe er was closely con: ected vith o eblast? KGBe That is where he learned the ~ vorking hours. That is “ey be “ned. . the mistake we regariing the verking ; heurs in besdquarteres, “ ’ \ , . : 9e When the-doc! ey : ie writing aed the suzxary ef (NCSENAO!s psychelegical : assessciied, tg called him a bright seciepathe pare he is, but in cy epinion agent with great ingenuity, and siomkgxmum preparations he ir ea wery vell tra_ned * Hi rs staterent’ thath "He has been essentially a . AES fet a ee a felutely disagrres with the decte inoing and accurate in general af not alvays truthfi in detail." In sible te agree with the decter that esti dees net ne predent te us ‘the cemlete legend. In ry epinicn,»s eset asveleped Agere ; ‘a =, ip respense te leading questioms. », copecielly his oun stery or ‘Legend hivself up to 1953s sn\from peas ard on.» im about his early Life and schecling legend devele,ed for | ROSCNKO by -he KGB, of course, with his helpe cp ean en mmaben ame som ae ie 5 ome oe entmtte Mees oA OLSEN ort ame pre FO aE Tt Citation ie +o . 5 =, co Fo en amo ene GB ea a : } r te his defectien , ve should believe that it was @ ~ Na rep 0 et eo fe + en etn ere, ea 4 eRe a eS otha hae SL ee ey yo a *
14-00000 ees Game ee “PEL 8 Soo oe nd Bee eo CROCE And ate oes Pte memeg ancya,, . neat Riese ehaAEERAON ASAD AG COP V8 met enna Smeg ere os ew sian mamabas se, manure” mewn en an neecinainenaecamnnes wanton anata tien See me Sd i i. os 7 Sus « SUCCESTICHS | interrogats Re His slse suggested that I interregate him Hin, Pegi aaa alice OSI a bet we re aE Sadat Da Mel eo galt Mean nse Feo oth ota ted at oe Thee a ve te alone in | thosntarregetion reom , although 1 prefer that sereens be present in the x rees » But if I am aloneit will give ne greater autherity in -SBIEOt eyes, and this ray be a psychological facter vorking te ny benefits B ut if ICSENKO 4s taken te another place , then it is pess! ble te interrogate hin xu asked CiA autherities tax fer a long time to talk te HUSEHZG. In the event of ty garticipati:n in the {nterregation te av. id mistakes and ni sunderstandings, fhe interrogation sheuld be held :a Russian. It is ret possible to rake the /nterrecation as hostile as it night be and te needle him if the interregati n 4s held in English, as NCSEBKO dees net unier: stand streng words in English as well us ke does in Russian, Icrkng the interregatien I vill not soak fast in erder te rake it unierstanduble. It is understoed that I am going te be correct , tat net polite. I veuld try te. avola getting inte any ergucents with tesenxn, In case ef arguzents,1 veuld ask hin te be _geated and to ansver the questions. In the event he recognizes and tells ne who i am, it is pessible te give twe ansvers? le I am net he but he is coning econ te talk te you, and you ars ristaken. 2. Yer, 1 am D and you are geing te” give me preof that yeu are B. Yeu have to give re proef that yeu did verk for the KC, oo 100: pacmecensararcinan er, PA ram 2 EAP AETT TEI G Co.
14-00000 DO Selone + age AE re" Sah asia ees ely Mg sh RAP REREAD dashes DER BAG A EE ae i Ng te ntact EE EE ONT ele Ree ie Sehr f In case of my participation , 1 would kike to be able te use 41] the -nforrati.n tha t NUSELEC has previeusiy teld us, In utilizing this inferzatien, 1 weuld ike te have a free hand te oress .in on certain peints which I feel veuld ‘be of value te usm in gaining a confession fren him, I need peraission te. use the nsxes of Bagley, Big Gecrge, ani Murphy , ef course, cniy in the proper wy and when it is necessary. The use ef the changes in the Seviet gavornment could be cé$scussed having in mind theuse those events - im at the prover time then it is a7, arent that it will help hiz to ¢ nfess (the use of ently the fall of XIUNCHEY witheut revealing the rise of =~ SKELES'1N and SEMICEASTUYY.) It could be used in vari us vays,fer exarple, © a nevspazer en the tackkx table vith nly the headline shewing. Es could be allaved te see tha paper inadvertently and ve cauld see what his reaction is. Or, the inferratien could be breught out at a peint in the interregaties vhen ve are érying te attees that ke cust e:nfess since ve know he is telling lies, and furtherzere, his besses are no lenger in autherity in the S.viet Unien and all is lest fer him anyhew. 2. During the interregati:n stress should constantly be g-ven to the fact that KUSENKO is be ng used as a toel ef the KGB without preper tra‘ning “Agee ef Aceriom realities , and that his nivsi n was doomed fron the start becanse ef this. 30 If it is deciced to give hin soze drugs, “itshould be given prier to fs hese tile interregaticn, se that ve can use any 68 the nforration gained fron the use of these drugs a.ainst Lim, The first natter which should be mtez @eternincd 1f érugs are used ‘5 vheth-rhe is MSENKC or not, z . 3 . 2 “hangs ‘
ns te w Creret _—— & &. I would not hest tate te contingsthe interregatiana te the point where BCSENZD woul@ be extremely tired and jomrzakx less able te resist hestile ~ enough questioning. If there ‘s uet schepocts persennel fer extended periods ef © a cee renieneynen tee oe nga RENEE A ot Aaah tartttteparttpentpyinttniyes sw interregation, then he eheuld be left in the tntetregation reem during : breaks in the interroga‘ions 3 VOLNERAELE FEKETE AREAS TG BS EX WCITED DURING THE EERT HCSIIGR LUTER2CCATICH ween nemo ae iee ie ratte ne onre so on etme 5: t 4 Brerything sbeut MESESEO's educaticn otart.ng fren Leningrad elenentary<< i acheel, neve. had Mescev, od acev scheelizg, should be exurined. And special | "attention choula be deveted te the schools he attended in Septexber 1941, Eubyshev, re, Vescew, Leningrad, and back te Moscew again, During the interregation ef this period, ve sheuld challenge SENSED by the facts that be gould net be at any military school .rier te the fall ef 1945~ thea we de net believe his stery. This in erregation sheuld include deteiled | qvessfening abeut his travel te Kubyzhev, Baku, te find out where ke reafly was at at parted, At the sane tine , LOSEEED sheuld be questioned abe t vere his parents lived frem Octeber 1941 thru 1942. Alse be should _ be qoostioned abeut h.s first passpert which be is scppesed te receive net —_ earlier then theocix Bovember 1943 and net lat r than the beginning ef 19.46 ag same ean be said abeut his elliteary ticket, i.e., when and bew he | received his first military ticket, threugh vhat military comiscariat, because he could not receive his military ticket earlier than Leverber 1945. His story that he received his military ticket in the surer of 1945 Js false, | What redical comission kex was he exanined by before ke got his “4litary ticket should be ascertained. It 1s ispessible that KCSENKO vas en active gilitary service prior te 1945 including sny rilitary schocls because of his t . Fe erence treme Teme ene are ane anette te etme me a osees SMe ne age. He sheuld bave been called te setive duty in che fall of 1945 er cere ; aeons . “See nee - | Aicieresie
14-00000 : ; S ! / Jf Z | (2 ero eee ET TE FEES SEESEEFTSESS SI gE TEAEY Cte anette treet ee eRe aE ISLE EETEIO Fi pated oie nee etn eA ta iy LSI Be Rl MPA SE RLY = at teat Pe Senn ne 5 GRRE «i Fated : bos wee & eo likely in 1946. If If he vas postedin setive reserve in 1945 or 1946 then the question is why he vas ‘not called inte the arrys Together with this g-es tha questi-n of H SEiS0%s education yin the Institute of Int-rnational Relations. The stery he told us is ea ees een tee ann oie aneee unbelievable. First he s.ateg that it was a four year course and that - he g-aduateé in 1949 ana later on he changed hisstory and esta that it was a five year course and thet be graduated in 1950. . ie ' seem nertenme em tee + mttitapreme me Aha 2e HOSEUKO's first carriage ie TELEGIN's daughter and diverce. ‘Cnthis . =e subject, NCSEXZD should be questioned about his registration of the rarriage, passperts, what district was ths marrige registered in , about baukx apartzents en the First Meshchanszaya Street, inelud ing his nilitery Pee enemas Geum oA oe | nent aie status at this tims, vhat king ef nilitary ticket he kad, wien it was registered, Fore ééSinite questiens sh:uld be asked abcut ti divorce announcement in the nevspapers end fui iL orecedure of the éivorde ineliiizg the tye court sessions ( district and eblast? courts). Alicony — ‘the exact ancunt ef alfnony, reminding te hin that earilier he told us that he ‘pela te I | his first wife 160,000 rubles ferm his rorey vhich be earned Farving in the ie. an Far East. Accord: ng to the latest MCSE. statecents be spent in the Far Eaat oo ‘Jesa than 96 months. If this is the case, then IKSEXXO 33233 received chre & ~ than 5,0.0 rmubles enonth. Te rake during the 20 mnths the 26C,C00 rthies* aa Even if LtSENED was in th: Par East and peceived there a éacble salariy | as @ jr. 11, the firat year ef serv-ce inthe GRU, he could net cake rere‘ than seats or 3,000 rubles a wonth ( I gzve here the Bighest possible oalardy fer a sdaies fe it Bo Both wf ths subjects mentioned above should be Snocckoccmmsiac invesitgated: ~ effseer) ” f a a a Seca ane 001 PSLRA . .
14-00000 eo" aleng with the matter of whe re H°SENKO was Living at ps ecial a.tent-on te Serifenicha, Granevske Streets, keeping in nind that these subjects will really EOSENKC. If we do not get pre af ks ecntinues te Lie er give unsatisfacte opinion it is not neces foreigd relaticns institute. realistic then ve would neve to the Gnstitute ef In he KOSBUKO's Entry to the RGB. en his entry ints the KGB I think it weuld hin fre. the peint when he sala that once pricr te 195 interview with the KGB ote representative about his emple bacause he did net like ite re in 1952 when he in ‘the KCB, bat he rejected their prepesal From this point first talked with KASULOV and s that KGB aid net work be way he described to use ‘the interrogation he be in EGS services af be: as pocernena to the EGB by a persen whe wae 5 the peep.ce =: ; b, whose (other's background is reble 4a | Trotsktyite and whe vas arrested and died in jail. " @, whose “etter of entered the Ke. o.% Ss eo essary to question him about bis atudy Because ve have & or 5 @ifferant & be a good idea to start qoustioning we veuld go on . fren the beginning scmewhe e cn, And he should be challenged ail that time, . aying , ge and First Meshchanskaya ghew if he is cer ansveres 6F hhe first tve subjects, ry answers, then in uy in the If the answers are satigfactery oT Bore ternatiosal Ralationse 2 he bad “complete P first vife wes errested-and. vss in. gail the cay he eRe a Yet te on : dates yoent the tins then sonevhere during should be reninded er asked questicns could a person =~” hot te death. as an eneny_ of (avoryan), ani whese gradafathor was + entire omens cen, Saemrimg memes: Setgneann amenan ee meeemtinEeeS air: me - . ceca ap an ton achoaeenladramensenieenaeaaniane matte eo Ra AS 5 ae tere = "fee aon “a ‘ ~
7400000 +), fepmeargere go Ae ‘de Who divorced his first wife not in the preper way and prebably was- the guilty and questicn abcut he-unus his immerality was discussed in the Pore _ party ecormission of the Grsu @. who entered the KGH{ when he wes already overage menber of the Konserel without any desire to become aay a meuber of the Commun: at Party - f£. whould a persen with such background zentioned abeve be taken te work in the SCD Amsrican Derartnent @- who sxe lest his Konsonel cembership because ef his nisuse of ” ‘operational decurents and immorality. : noe pena i he who was arrested for 15 duya for the reasons centiond abeve. i. whe was withouj Korsomel and party rembership for 2 yearge | 0 eer pews je who rejected the order of the Minister to write a state-ent for srzest in the gourse ef his work . . ete. It is very hard now te develop questions about h s entry inte the EGB but he should be challenged all the tine about his ansueres | 5. I did not rention about his be.ng in the Far East and how he vas transferred from GRU te KGB . The line of questions on this natter would a depend or connected vikith answergs tmx abeut his education and how he entered the KCB. Questions about his t=xf transfer fron the G2U to the KGB could be nap ee 1 SF IGE RON 2 RE SENDER Ae RETR = personal file, and military ranks. 6. I would definitely utilize and show te him the number 7 , vhat is comnectéd wih it , andjust ask him for an explanation, 3 7. UOSENKO's trip te Gorkly in seacch ef CHEREPAKOV. THig questicn shoula 97 DT
stabted fron the point where he first heard of CHEREPANCV!s defection frum Moscow, NOSENKO's «rip to Gerkiy and how long he studied the CHEREPANCV | papers. Hare all the li0SENKO docurents should be ah ban 8 NCSELKO's operational and oocdial setivities en Red Square during the holi.ays and father’s funeral also xixw KCSENKO's presence at the Krenlin "8 should be closely investigated because it is oy beilef neyias” often in Re@ Square as he chaired. If he was there, it was only once e- twice “and it would be easy to mix hin up about these ratters. Quastions cn —— this subject could be developed according to his ansverse 9. 1 0 ld like te take NCSELKO on @ crip fren Kurskiy Station in Moscow te his apartrent en Narednaya Streetalong Chkalovskaya Street and Taganka . Alse on a trip along Dzerthinskly StreetSretenka Street and First Meshchanskaya Street te his apartcent building vhere hs Lived with his firet wife. Ths is necessary te be sure that he real y lived in these placese I still do not believe that he really lived at these addresses , except for the fact that he my have lived nearby in sufehsuses, 1G. Interrogation on operational questicns such as his: vork with agents and his ues ef safehcuse, etc, could be held latex. It depands how the pemexumn Interrogaticn goes. . Note: I have no special. sug, estdons how to exploit KCSENSO's irforration, --. it depends on the next stage of the -nterroga-ion, but I sm seine juxixy turning ee back to the Soviets, vbether he ecorfesses Gi note 2 We have bawg topevorything in our * power to cake him confess in order ta win this big game. if ve publish his stery wven with our changes without his co:fesaicn oer endo SERENE = oo an rahe sete mare et Sey etmere one peep TONE nee © ep 2A en noe ee rnemente renames ne ay re eer at | Ab
: woo ¢ 74-00000 , . dencnstarte There ds no room to tdootimmozmtty that . F : defection ds. RK the aot of an honorable totivated can without his , confesai.n We will te on the loirg side. ' ' =. i meteors >. 2m . or om ik oo hr oo eer ea “ ’ sin, gente
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8 = © e- - «> Spapeacemea asses ia iD : if the identity of the common-law father is known. Birth Certificates - Actually three copies of Marina's taimed in UlENS 264-276. These are netarized covies of WEN 4540. notarized in MTMAG. One of those(Tater' two | - FoR : -* ee oe =: pt bee . . S- birth certificates was orocured on 4 Aug. 196] and the t. cao second was obtained on 8 Aug. 1961. Two different no- E tary's noterized these two birth certificates - both ob- on = ; ~ oe ae tained in Slinsk within a foar -iay peridg. Ty the hand- . ™ e: ; . es Ceeifing tL fs ebyderws that the sore verso Tal tod ont the er. ok a re CL we ee eee ee ee ee or ae knoe that the Soviets will not rogdster the nace of the father if there has not been a formal marriage - even birth certificates are furnished. ITz: 7340 is a cony POR RRs LENORE eee ne of her birta certificate issued on 1S Jaly 1961, in wie Fs s a ; ¥ Arkhangeis:. The otaer two birth certificates are con- —. ot be 4 Pee not Weel aD etl. 4 _ intel oey hemes ob es rs Ph ae ~ isnies - aly the notacys”. sijaatures
Pid Sa op Et i. an eae ee =) ve ne EE uERE Naeem ‘on te SLA RL OGTR. 5 Nl ead 2. ols ar? a oaeeen ie ~— : , pe . a , ara Sit Fe runt Resaradtog all thece birth cect tfieates : Che Use l tem tie Mest ois should de. asked of “Warana: . 5 ° y 7 e i . . te Whar Ww? . . See ab, The origia of her NIXSOLAYEVSA patronynic. | ~ b) “hat happened to the erigiaat of her birth . eertificate which she mist hava had in order to San mh t= fenter primary school, pharzacy school, and to get ‘her pyasport when sho reacked the azj2 of 16 - ina a & i:%37, c) Shy did she request a second copy, marked ne : epeyTORNaya”, of her birth certificate ITE #349 fren ARKUANGELSK? 0°? 7 a ‘o- da) ITEM #340 was issued in Arkhange}sh about 2& "1000. . --< Eqlometers Fron “INS. Did she travel there perso- ~ -. natly to apply for her birth certificate? Did she be os write fer fi" Was is nent to ber through the mall or did. “she pick 22 up at the bissk allitia headquacte=s atest : “ . . ™ . . | . , Gaat reason did she give tie ARKHANGELSS militia
f Ls i oe nner sae gees Q@ubaortties Foe reyuostiay the second cony of her birth certificate. . Why was she applying for this birth certificate on 19 July 1961. ce feos: ac eB e) The ITEM #340 birth cert Ficate is supposed to be an esact duplicate of the dirth certificate, issued after her birth. This normally is issued several days after birth because parents do not usually resh down - to register the birth of a child on the day of the birth - ‘not even in the USSR. ITS! #340 shows that NARINA’s birth was registered on 14 Aug. 1941 and that she Sct ee te aoa. ae hebts ' weeee vengag coma FY Sandy 99-07. “Barina, cagegod Le-eg for ft copy of this certificate on 19 July 1961. For sone reason the 9 in 19 July 1961, is marked over and is an ohvious change of the figure 4 to a 9 in tho fotiowine way ‘|. An examination of tha original hehe hettler show -if -this-can-a markod over -delt ---- '. berate change. Such a change could only be signifi- or ne |
Sia | Soviets would note such an obvious change. Certainly net: if she aoolied for the two notarized copies of her le ge soe “ - . - 0 7 ar wre, vo =” ge H “ath Sen 6 iin ecanin ee ah te Metin ene antid tt snare «ntact De & ec samt af df is uot a hona-fide ‘locument. uctually « . g issued in ARKNANGELSS, . Persoual. docunent conscious ° , é bacth certificate using (TAM #340 as a basis for tnesc new copies she would be closely questioned and it is more than likely that notarized copies a2 : would aot be issued on a mar¢ed over original. Now .it might be possible that the first notary would not have. noticed the marked over. original... Rowever, n second notarized birth certificate was issued in’ Minsk. by at{ili another notary . pegeacoae oem ten me oe ie tk TRE Biel ERAT 8
a . oo “8 ee ~ . wel Se _ at wwotn ° Ff mee r -~* 2 : ' te : fe 3 - : fa connreb ior witie eissussigaoe? Larinua OSTALD?. cane a 1 of btrie, te ge voethrcriie ft: art: that tds dati is “ i i Ziven wa URTST Ta hes varriailion eest: Ticats. ais o~ ; rgiestes: foa. PF eein fo wae she diatom cp use Lh, ; * € ; AS a lsiv* vie te. Dit lsorradt 2: ouaturat eveor’ of . i wedag fhe sacweeb yeas -- thou -- in t's 2.ce, hovever, f I of ‘ : dues aottias t* disgel the guitdusion of ts0 year of her : u : a mp eres STAR ade ie Mere og Sted abet the geogce- lure - . : : oO fot poweg in ween baet da tae vaeetisent eos reg fee ‘6 . | etdainien the sstifieates. tt apeveows that at OO Yeas Tous eters cace instived in te cenpletion . f er re 2 omsina tenet her aate te ba . “ at i . ; 2 ' cy gore Par cerbe  .o rte she Saeer ces Feanie- - am.
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Oem cg ee ak be Oe Keesomol member. The ailatary service bouslet,. ‘o: thie Jocunment, ied aie fosang is ma ee te pte gues . ely. Lasser om baa: ur aur CIEL eee y MI: HONE GO UE tte hives iaforma= tasd Foul aetitage ia 3 sutobtogranhy 7) Jartag -- aleecdy 1S, acsording fo her given sreetaernemtcenemr sesame ermuane tates" onta ipa a eta med nme Mateaacist's trainivg -. tie ound of Aueeugt Plo She wma che net fas a worcnre P4tet until +2 Seo- hy wasn. registrstion stano Pee, me “ag 908 eet tee, ghace-l in the booth bet cmt il 156 Ceteser? ae $:) Neecarehaess fee Lee O59 UT Ales Winey, Warina was a lwoever, shows that she css either a Komsomol ar test menber., Ghat reewer expinrat low aan Seer aaee wE Geer Pose this. ze) ods Seclaon ELL, “Greed! motes, (Osob;ye- os “46.95 was given it is shown tht
74-0000 a : ‘ «~ 3 : haaert) rt 7 P : 4 * a as ae ~ oo “° PKS. 3G Pace Berd ae ° . . . - + one eels ee Abntieme Oar nding 2 tp mapeee Sepamapeiane 2 eed acing Big fl Se LS <9 PFs othe meal seme a . : i x y L the acounet aise chawa, Lowers thaw oan fo lnwast 4 ‘ iy tris aoties wis cancelled. Gane logical explanation ‘ , Pr fo: tais might b> that the cancellatioa wis made FH (> then “orina informed the coaissariat of has ‘ { wasriace. But Yrs. OSWALD should ve aszad aocut ~ : ; tha., andhe. oaswer shonid ve noted carefully. i me d)) Seation “oof this docurest sheyws that as noted oO abcve, darina was reyistered in Minsk in Fronzen- skiy uayoa on 23 Octoher 1625S, whence she was de- racistered on t August 1261, on 9 August she was . registered in Leninsty Payen. Novhere in “acina's 4 ‘neatobiography. the repress cra the EBL? interviews of Marina or any other official paners ‘helonging a . tes the Govaibes, os There wer rention Of the- ebange : 8. . 2. * a , 8. : i eof eons aedrerces wlacetie. BT lenses S recqeagmend bos acs chappatn : « cs eogicteation. There is sue discuss.on © che charre .
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. < emp e . +. 2D eee, cast ee ae tees . ene ee ce RS Gee ewe emer ae a BE an Pw oe dw ein hae SE DET WF Bee ce le ae me Bane S ame OOD. vaio attention «9 0 mae 2 cine bee Sage : bey o daha he ite uy im offieie isseiaw suen’ so Set ea ro Pliger bey Tostses Obed fogs aedme ve ft aerlicdmd vwae@lieds aretd app Mm ceetraiigy ber veer of Vireth. it is o-shaste : ° | wk Someone other thad Varina filied in the isfor- WAL wer raquired fer this document: thon, sfther * i . ei tenting of sini os unriga drtiberare ts led . ! ar is aestaiee. chp eee, whos; aad ty chon . a : fay oD gasia dafssoatise resorden. ‘ “ wei. Wid va rh@retiatia ASD, . PU AR wad, ito fe Liffscule te fin! issere stalk i gretuas fee a aumber of questions which nishi be asked | : ‘ fb , of tt, OS84IDL tn tay “ase, hovever, hee angers tio thes Tether bas inquiries saaceraing ber passe : ! Ett te OF wraatast imypror Saiices al ages Cts Peres | E | a) thy eas Mes. OF LD ceive a nassrort made walig Crow T? amearsy PO ti BE. JTapaenery 2 keg o- i i St maigh? be said, of eource, thak fi was © cpee ted : a FRak ste womb mu beomuoe aed thee TAssport after. 852 fatter date because sie was the wife ; . Ts, citizen retursis? to the Un. lo stay. ; 7 a Sesto cab i ag te her visa on page TT oa bf) Moy 52 ° fo . _ seer a 278° Wass seman bes sucoan epetont ce Cat. ED sabia teay Peoa: entry - 7 A. + - ‘ ; ; aon . . a Ande te UN Shes. ter sat the eauspert made " H : 3 : ine ee ee, Oe nn
i : j eS 2 oe Senne CY SREY OS ie SA POSES Or oe Oe SR Oe Org + aro ag. : . 4 . A ‘emEgRAMONe oe >and Sa ath GI oP cm ~ easy. 4 ~ nags ’ te, tep So egee Bo Meee pea 1 Ot Pegrtivens’? tetupra te cds if ne edvatt ta seavey On te na yet vad. Svinined sa tary , : efon cum vuahble JS. te purcris? 2 pase aye ta the em Toe Tet: of Sas ova ressurces, fee ale. paragragh . : ey feos Dare, ; ey wus dane ’s nunme astecod dat. oot) Marina’s and — an , : Pode besa hl instead «ff aust inte uea'g* , Pee fo . . ficia® pore | Cb) Aitetegh the OSWALD er cteee poavertn ol » mass ama te feave (see esit casa} cstv oy Li canuary teil, me's dtavy mcte. fiat tucyg Urrw of this oe } = ds were Chey wrlarned: . a) Mardga’y feral was mae waldad oe tid & Decemhar v4 Pes feed tte cdemee notes that they bad ani; oe “3 4 matte: Gn whiets te leave Bays Ui thevyet: svesmes exe baratace: for this eam t:- found, FE gherens best lo qe tiden firs. O35°0AL2 and det her give vie oF“ ewstan tS betes. 6 CITE t els). hen cto mas OCS AD oO ©. Varroes Cosiibiewtos. . . ¢ ae) Vere ThE devas es 08 beaGess wets i efoty cosy Eecgrreapes os 2a0 binge i tee eee Paley eeberse gut 8be 8b Ye ee taeyeate: Spb ibe wee geeamed degree 2” ° t 4 see teint nent op ctien meen | an et event pein meme te meen east A UE 8 im tea eeni Ae eunEREarn eye ie A *~ arenes - oo “oecncecs mim + Sonemncaqanartersit thet etn AREER 5B HOE PiateaB 1 1g RENARD Busan = nae oy = te wes vet n Tye eegie geen ape Etat apy 0h teas dace? al provided” Se Sar aM mye cs apletely iltegdbt-: en soot con
: . ; t Bile s eae Re LE oh ¢ ( | . i : at PRR ate Ede feet 6 its pares . . . ; : pad eee at vdtsas bapcer ges mart Pesca dca fv trae of : for. ae pon Searing her stetesear ef teat 2m ed bean . : Rel orapered leagih of stay. if would pe rovt ine ‘ Pave Guy igo to know shat is weitten hereaty the ! i . 1 : 4 4 pot  pravata eit fetee tage uy nny MeL 3 i ata? cs a ary) Soy gleyety ‘Man a9 i i : - . re | *. 40%: woes ee et | Boe. Give te ths sae Dep ape aad tte tidates i wort Of raerberg af peo “weadly saiecr aheoae? . ne | a a PA the geeson sompdetise tha. JPore ian wel “avons s eortifieate :eaairiage the date usos wisi Per oesnort was selrittod te the Mbalnery ob lemsiee Vfaies ant the aebor am? daie aF thes cover letter fali te fi!) tn the above-nent iowd b) Certificate of vaccination for dau, issued by @25 Miosk Fiest Clty children's bo-pital, Say ta, M62. This date does nat cor-espomt “-@NG fy fo the date of vaccination (35 Yay) givea oo —— | | - me Be Jac) USWALIN Gs firerenctéenal cert aifienta’ of Yaceg- OSes y Riva e MNT IO ter tag: Surgt Ioan. tn * f i (. Eaferwation, aitoe apparently starting to provise ity Na ne war . 4 ~
. oS ad ‘* aetnisittmaens”, ae! w ob nme eae ece = - mee Oe eaten 8 tt ht te mee Pe) ae eae ae poowroueeen - om - fm ee epee mre 9 WD he aah ge ow Orn norte oie ale Sage e ” . . Nghe -h oy wyye . ~ te fhe rr rs oe ra Soy lesa . ‘ oy . pase » oe * af . q : eo yh . Mee R secebar ot hed pesed | . poop Bate: t ere! : “5 thio spre AT aes oy ce 0 y in Fee A Ste tl tty wiih wieeh “TA “al is weitten Mee Ne der bed cert iliocnte sae Parn@ Ach a) a) ; ° . H at . . ” eq: - beengdaddcs owe Leg af i ve le Q One ua? Tint? ormbpvesr : Pease! 3 FT Avs, | ; 8 t i ewe ce Dank Ek wo. aru BMC dg ara oS, an San 2 iis an ape R Tate Ba mee tae go Pity beds: S yy ge age a) ese ° . Bee aaa ee tee? SMG tal Qiaetle fo da trees Atl datecwa. ion Feed ee GA con iot ing Marian ts peacmacy sChool Potaa, has besa mete herein, with tae om voption ot @ yeariod Qeer carry inte the <ehoo . EN ons wees of th aes ny the res Babe of fie tai Cotes Bee tered Etat cog at C-93t peels. bie epreeti ag Eegd Saeeans 7 Ope ab ge Tabard be as-ofF oats ie
1 Thee eB Lees cette ete ae See ome itcemenin a wn Bg Be -_ , . : : sume ies to. a BE fhe wean) howe ty aS fh doce 3: thea ast 1) OF rereertomibies fa the GEytEn sia records. 3 . Fhe Gapsrtince of the nesoml ds yet te be oroven. a: leetiliscate a¢ revnea ination ‘for Mscinnd, issued by | a the “ines {exact designacion unclear ia cony) Toly~ i “i A eisaic fa, 0, US Nay 1942. Again, (see D2eazeaph | ; . , oS? apave). the date doer aot correanoy exactly: | . . te th date of vaccination (1G Hay) gives ia Marina's Interuationat Certificate. Here also it i as unlikely that an official eertifyvirs a veceina- . ; . tion zivea by someene else at aa @astior aate ! | vould have mastehen the date as siven on the 9orin . t ; \ staal ecortificate. Ther if the certifviaz ship's - 4 | : DEys ie tan nerely accepted the OSSAID's word for the . i | date of the vaccinations, why did he net 59 indicate , ~ . i | ta fae international Certificates: iow dad it hap- . 4 | pon that he alse aceepted their word for Marina's | Co os ; revacr ination, On % second (16 fay) datey Why ¢»- , ene | a was he given 7 second date: Surely even if the ey | | SOD had Lesa unalte to remonter the exact . — elaaer, they wet have cemeabered that the vee inations. of vee Were acomplizbed on the save day. thea, ahy did . oe - | Mariana .ot returs te her forner place of eaployment _— Poo the Combined Third Clinical Hospital) for. the bene ee " | cee Fave Patios? tonenkeriag that, according to tie * ny 4 - - so. 7 6 i an *—~ orisnensanascmotemen cement ence i A Ne “oo pmeree s
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14-00000 : - Fb tae eile te te ate A = EP PEALE OS vem ~ ” pci ameter tocirelicneam 0-0 wm Ow aes nee Some nee Fe ae ee Gomes came aan a a {3 Nete the eesmmeniens (two) ta cue aghobioe es lah tome ta bbe gene of Varrac’s rother'’s apo b  mwahioiy to cobacide with ber granecien¢ that Sis oieder dlew durbeg her geaond year in ice Phavaacy ac) ERS TP \ LAS SLAted fiat gun ce oo central fEtra On Va ty Crosese girder cer Lasse yoar . rey smosehuol, Under vhat circunstances eo.d sie fo to -woxrk where’ What were ber duties’ ites (aac how muck) wes ahe pari Pos thin work. What atier deragis (names | Vi supervisors feilwe vorsass; jours of work, ote) CAA cho nvevide aneat this cob’ oy gas this job “tar inated , - {TF What tvroe (official Gesigratrvon) of pension aid “arina and tie wher children receive Ta whem (to 7. the children directly. or to the ste staiher) dia oe she genasion farts dlow was it received’ What was the ameunt of the poasien- . (8) Marina said she took her reals away from home. Shere How aas sho able tuo do this’ That eas her total imeome . 3 : . - m7) What dda Marina distite ao such about her. .€ irs! “yah after graduation that: made her quit after wre diay Tt is ene thing -Caet cernson, bet not un- Sheard of |. act co appear for work at the place to- ewer ae on teemne os gains smentine vane eet ogecneenae MIn den ata nie neat ee ee
14-00000 e2ey i 4 1 ! t ~_ Saded Cal Shee Laced wath her other's brotuer aml his wife. “parayssaoh Pla Ot} above! durina Reber beeen. eared canes Wie: Seoth Chee PRIA cope ey | date Ltn es “a bices. Pook, fmt meee the CEPL OY os fin this Uheanestaon should be addressed in jus thas V geet ate cay tee wastened: cat ae ps e.other oe % & a we x * oat re a . “a Gam yudt after one cathy. weiter or a 'o Lateas Okpsts aeorichel te a Ui-gay trdal ¥ (Sade esac ae Carran aesiened, st gs abmocg TeNOS - Stade: Tar her to cave Muito und gone on vacation go EeS.ir.  Fairst, she would have bea: in trouble iame- (ants cy vith the Xorsoase: and ber {raGe union. elven: she has sacs chat sie sent Titele tira in Ter stentatiesds tone] asinw her reals outeade, be. CRS Of stouiged poly ¢ dade Let, there she ntaved, AAT TLS with wo lacurse -~ an Aas ALA .noO Pore Pensions, vitae: fron sesoel o= soverament., Thea, her sas she able to do this AMO). Shy did sarina £5 to worl an Minsae she has AW Aunt and uncle FRESAKOY ~ Warina- hes said Rethia. more an these interviesss atomt the CERLOV ’s, @hom ste above mReAtioued-in her aulobiovranhy (sce setaeeat hs fas cass d end oe aml the BENTOV s: Prvticndaety with tis lather: vd om ogy toned other relotices dn his Graces ned” & Chat. e sow Lee's canneetion wiih the PEELOV’s?>
14-00000 ee ween . Dc wpm wee ie tone ae io ; . EE | . . ae “dd throne reaseus for vefosiug ta adontify 0. ; : { veins Qigtures (ren hes past -- forace boyfriends, ‘ i Bc qumiatanees and ovan tne wonan who was her Sajcr- £ t wiier in the nhaymaceutical warehouse - and for giving Sich vague answers to some questions regarding her \ hasstacous.t and hay Llile with Lee must be ascertained. 7 hes utittude and conduct in these iatery ews ebv i- : . Ousiv 35 otkes then that wuich can prooerly iL2 exsec- — ; ten ot the nerson she represents AerBel! to be. Her i testimony regarding ver secial Life in Leniagrad ard [ . Mirs: owier ¢o2 maerriage is cust Suspiv:ous. Hor Siate- i eet reégurding tee attitude of her aant and uncle -- an SVD coltonei or Tieutenant colonel = to Lee and to ser macriage to an Atericana, tahea as part of her. Story oF Heia "gust a plaia ordinary fict in love”, are dansk unte lecvable. nother exnaple of this strange 5 eenbinatioa of refusal to give nanes and outright do- partuse from the realities oft Soviet Life is to be found ony Bite tana 8s story obo nee first meetiaes with bee USS MEDD, . erate refesess te name ment) acqunins- Gat ties apesent at these eet iapes anil tell of returning ‘eu ey ‘owe weth iis Amer dercun ta whos she vive her phen reaebes, the hone mimber of an WD officer. ‘And tke VD officer puses no objections fa her later meetines. even marriage. with the Arerican,
eityibea cr Satu lialiaar ess GONG PV toda be Titec! Jt VALE she sneatd G2 questioned Oe ree than sre has tote One lade wie oreisoa for J& 1 nas called dabor and ber ‘low sailacy. ith regard _te be rade, certainty Wartae would have Bnovn of this, ~subdeect, shovelel aot be reluctant to dissemss3 it. “Wet, her test imeay. would indicate ahe faows FPittlo — AE as aetidag of these thisen.  thyy her. hashand’s nature? .etMarina remarked thats...he did. - wet. deacncs poeliliea ilth her cr, to ber inowled zo oo, weil neat discus:s politics to” noticeable extent. ut = + ty 2 rom no _, ae a aC a TO 10 cS Ss FTL ae ee LT? 2 7 Wate the came. Lee, the oovious amex oon hay’: Lean “Lev, or evan “Alausey’ in 1S. Other subjects tien Karin. ctviawsly rust. ‘ee Rg comp toyner? in Mins), cathes than Uosevw and che reason for th. differecrse? hetween Lee's high pay for to the latter. cve.n Fit tine othy censon ves just as Lee Riese lf presented it. - .e@ receive:l a subaidy grant theeash the Red Cross <- wei so oth: consicerations and, agiess there vere somctaing sensitive about the. . (4) chhy does it seen she alse knows su little of ““gatte nay others: oviates< (see paze 16.3" “It 3s mot oo TU .. = cemackatre ‘that an ordinary van-on -theestrech American, _
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15 November 1968 / MEMORANDUM OF TRANSMITTAL | TO =: ‘Chief, SB/CI/K . ITER _ AEDONOR. Interrogation transer ipts ae 1, Subaitted herewith, as cequested, are “,EDIPPER/20" 's verbatin: --transeripts (15; Eng] ishi=language) of his interrogation of ‘AEDONOR, © | 26 July-13 August 1°55; the first five (5) of these transcripts,are accompanied by the corresponding verbatin Russian-language transcripts, (Russian-language transcripte for Reels #a 6 and 7 are ready for - a es nad. tavern e-em anemaert mecenyzrenera ms _napm aoe DUNPY typing, if required); an index to the names nentioned in 211 of the transeripts also is submitted. Further, the original Englishelanguage | transcripts (15), with corrections, are being returned to Headquarters with thie meno; the fifteen (15) corresponding tape recordings already eT SBE EE Nemnem oe pane E AONE ‘have been ‘returned. 2, With regard to the remainder of the original Headquarters ; - a request, it has been agreed that AEDIPPER/20's transcripts are self= | explanatory at most points and that his background comments on the ; course and content of the interrogation will be reserved, to be. addressed to any future specific questions and requirements generated in Headquarters review of those transcripts. i 3, It should be noted here, however -= , in view of part: three (3) of Headquarters*® request «= that AEDIFPER/20 did not use false or unfounded statements for any reason in any of the interrogation . sessions; it is believed possible that ideas to the contrary may ae peen este na De dele ee wen ene CAM ee 8 . have arisen during review of-the original transcripts, which included - many instances of improper interpretation of the Russian “double negative”. Reviewing the ‘interrogation, AEDIPPER/20 noted only : two @) points at which he did not have a basis in detailed personal knowledge {to 1954) or specizic docusents for statements made to ABDONOR: . a. MRPs (ilorskoy Razvedyvatel'nyy Punkt ~~ Navy Intelligence . Point) —-j AEDIFPER/20 stated that at the tine ‘AEDONOR. was assigned to duty with an MRP on the Baltic other MRPs. also were in operation in _ # "that area; im fact, although ARDIPPER/20_ knows that other MBPs vere. in operation there, he has no knowledge « of their “specific. designations , z : APPROVED FOR RELEASE 1994 | cit HSTORICRL EVEN ew PCT ve ge lecations or dates of operation; fae
14-00000 . ‘ . an co : t b. Lotter. on KRUCLOV' g Renova ed jspIppsr/20' 8 statenont that a lettor explaining XRUGLOV® 8 renoval- had: been circulated within - . State Security was, based upon personal, ‘Knowledge, not of the fact itself, but of “the ‘state Security ‘practice always | of etreulating such letters following the removal.of. other. State ‘Security, chiefs, such as. -ADAKUMOY and BERIYA. | A. AEDIFPER/20's ; English-language transcripts employ the . following key (not repeated in the transeripts): _ : a, A == AEDIPPER/20; . og “b. B =~» AEDONOR; | c. C=, H, BAGLEY (in the transcript of Reel # 15 only); ad. (€ ) =~ Single ‘seta of parentheses enclose transliterations ieee patos eens ceyaenree perme get : or, in case of e. (2G), (ZG), (XH) — indicate a number of missing or garbled 7 F or otherwise “unreadable” words ; . } a £. (€ )) — Double sets of parentheses enclose ‘transeriber/— werent ny enttemetierh ene tmmp anit ate te translater remarks, explanations, etc., in. addition to/not. part of interrogation content; g. (2 ?) = Queried transcriptions are thus indicated; h. ..--. == Ellipses indicate either a brief pause in speech or an unfinished sentence, not. ealtted or “unreadable” phrases;: ae a.” cave Underiines, except in cases of book and Periodical @ ' titles, indicate enphasis im gpeech. . 5. As noted, the AEDIPPER/20 transcripts are verbatim transcripts; rn however , there has been some *anelioration” of the few obscenities iY oe o ~ Be aga aera gia cue . . - - found therein. SE/CI/P Attachments : por paral Distribution : 7 - Orig & 1 = Addressee. oO 1 « AEDIPPER/20 (ulesippenmcr  ~“heatnimepatammincapamnRTe axis seine *