(tog-t0217-t0t20 . | see Boe ew . ’ ro » ‘ re ROUTING AND TRANSMINTAL SUP , , Wee (Heme. office symbol, roam aumber, ‘G” Oste % _g, DC/LACO a. C/LACO Reports ot EA 4 C/LAMP | DAS g, LACO/SP HOPKINS (for 201 file [Fie | Note and Retum [For Giearance | [Per Conversation for Corecton | Terepare Reply | For || For ieee Hee i tl Keith, : ‘ Reports from Wade received, via Bill S. 6 June. Want you to see this right away, particularly info in para 1. Para 3 info also of interest. ALVAREZ is defector DCD had my _ hame connected with. Other source(s) have made this same comment about ALVAREZ. Shall forward to you other reports of interest. pretender wens +e uncon aEmagOON sa eALERTS ANCOR LY PENRO ERY OA ARI 9 ROG EHR TT Aa INERT | HER PPE anette reyasnire verre UE EE. EE Bey , , t . ‘ . 1 ve, Chris. H. ; i : ,; fone tense en ats, concurrences, disposais, v7 | Clearances, and similar ections . { FROM: (Name, ong. symbol, Agency /Post) i ! C. Hopkins LACO/SP OPTIONAL FORM 43 (Rev. 7-76) Fran tai Crlo 10t-31.208 G06i-102 . , SUAS. C.P.0. 89779241 -§30/3050 4 i : Ef ee ePaper anatomic oe ee &
14-00000 cones eee 'en dk oth Pa Ne . 1 RECT IAA THER AENEAN Be NOHO EMER TsO ry La ROLE tetera Se ra se SER SESSUsty: tht FRESESRDCERSEESD SED ARENDS ttf EE EEE TL BEETS OOM ST TLE ET FO ETE | Cyng Ff. 4 be ae Poste « apy es oT. a gms fei Ne Et er Le ee Be ee ae BETAS web Tele tees Fa? Ma A AE + ~ @ @& 28 May 1979 (2012275949) Memo for the Record TO ¢@ Mr. William Sturbitts FROM: SUBJECT: Reinol GONZALEZ Vonzales - Comments on Interview in May 1979 in Miani, 1. This Subject was interviewed on the oceasionof both our visits to Miami and we spent at least some 6 hours with him and still haven't finished. He told us on the occasion of the last visit that hesatill wants to tell.us about some things going ‘on in the Cuban exile communisty: in Mioai, that some Cubans are ‘buying args and planning actions against CASTRO,-ete. He wants to tell us, he said, tha& we'll know and won't be surprised but he denies all part for himself in any such illegal actions. He does not believe it possible, given internal and external conditions tow prevailing, to overthrow CASTRO anytime soon but says if it aere nossible, he would be the first to Start preparations for that purpose, When we next go to Miami we will listen to what additional he has to SaYVe 2. Subject was for the writer the most interesting and perhaps she most vroductive of the peonle we were assigned to interview, “his guy is cut from a different mold from the other 7, He is cough, jintelligent,. cunning, ‘shresd-, lacking in formal education, ut &@ real toughin-fighter who knows what he wants and knows how ‘Oo go about it. He is, too, I think, a real opportunist, and this lay explain in part hisireagon forsputting on the 6 Now 61. Tv ‘wogram. I had the fe@ling repeatedly that he was mot really oming clean on many of our questions, but the only two questiong. © which he reacted noticeably:were the ones about the TY prograns ond Octavio -BARROSO, These tro. visibly upset him-eventho I feel e knew or thought they would be thrown at him and hehad his answers prepared. More about the TV Program and BARROSO later, 3. This man started out as the Secretaryegemeral of the Union f Christain Workers (UTC), at one point belonged to the ARD( an ssociation of young democratic people), the MRP for a while,etc,. m 1959 he was named foreign relations Secretary of the Confederation £ Cuban Workers (CTC) ,jhowever, at the election of officers in late 959 CASTRO showed up and imposed his Slate, a Communist slate for he most part on the congress. Subject was required to turn over ? sions sh OR en eee 7 het at cn ee eee Raped ek or H I i Fe A SEE OO TE t comme seerstinrienereteentner catatonia eee eminent oars an ca ndenenetteetetrih aint, Geass tty rete a Sten we stared etting of
74-00000 sgheee ww "EAP + AOA ane Sete tegen te te a CI0, o2@ & 6 his post as foreign relations seCretary to~Gelen-~ALVAREZ, He and ALVAREZ had been on opposite ends politically in previous years, when ALVAREZ was working at the Chase Manhattan. Bank in Havana and representing the bank workers union, but they had put aside their differences to Work together against BATISTA, Tnen, when CASTRO came along he propelled ALVAREZ to the post in the CTC to which Subject had democratically been chosen, -The - imposition of CASTRO's slate took place at a CTC congress in Noy 1960. He claims that he has never seen ALVAREZ since the business of turning over his files to ALVAREZ was done in 1960, He knows of course that ALVAREZ went on to other jobs, eventually to the Cuban Embassy in Madrid, and eventually defected to the US. He Glaims te have no use for ALVAREZ, he°s a dedicated Commie and he ‘wouldn't trust idm, . a | re a en AMCOAL-1 ceell cee sal 4, Dr. Elena Mederos ~ is the aunt of PUJAL Mederogas She is currently eorking with the Human Kignts Commission in Washington, DC. Subject says that some 30 years aoo when he knew her pretty well she was democratic or leftist in her politics but very lefte ist in her economics « He described her as a revolutianary of a Sort, with lots of prestige in Cuba in those days, 3. So far as he's a wa re there was only one Octavio BARROSO so the one you're talking about is the Same one known to him, the same one shot in late 1961 or early 1962, he's not certain exactly when, He claims that PUJAL and BARROSO were captured at the same time or at about the same time.and that it might have been. PUJAL who reported to Ge2 on“ PUIAG but in any case he(Subject) didn't do it, There were others in jail at that time, also, he Says, who could have told Ge2 about BARROSO’s revolutionary activities, Ag- ¢ -6tated, that question, as did the one on the TV program, visibly supset him.so I'm not at all sure that we got the truth.- 6. Subject was arrested on 11 October 1961 in a raid on the Cesar Odio Farm, along with a number of other people. On 30 Septaber 1961 a woman belonging to his unit, Dalia JORGE, was arrested, allegedly placing a bomb in a company there in Havana called CIA. Subject was carrying documentation in alias but almost immediately he was confronted with Dalia who identified him to Gaz, But, the most irportant evddence is the fact that over the next few days and weeks those known to Dalia in that organization were arrested; those not known to her were not. Although alledgedly arrested Planting a bomb, she was almost immediately released and was 600n walking the street. A few months later Dalia had married a iieutenant- in Ge2, She later divorced the. lieutenant ( whose name Subject could not come up with) and then married Caxlos RUBIERA, a nephew of- Vicente RUBIERA who lives in Miami 9 lorida and works for the AFL/ 7. The TV program «= why? It was the first such appearance by anyone arrested that could be called in favor of CASTRO, The MRP had a pact amongst themselves, he Claims, which stated Abas. ds, Fepste, gon ALVAREZ de la Campa y Sotolongo who defected_to- U. See t anllenakatntem iene th oc techeeenentemtetennaen ee ELT Eee oe cee Or emer ae me A oe Oy at Nae AR Mate fea mone me OE OO ah eahe o eres T ee es ea amrewe
14-00000 et % aa wae worrttonn sh 304 My EARS 9 Se ne ne Ste “ that anyone captured would not talk for 72 hours, to give those still free time to change hidding Places, etc, then one would be permitted, if forced to, to tell minor things, things it was thgought the Ge2 might already know, : He was taken to a place referred to as POINT X and stripped i naked. He was interrogated almost continuously, lights were kept on and all sorts of threats were Mace acainst hime. He could hear in the building the vices of others known to him in the MRP, aRong others Fernando Rojas, Fernandez Rivera (now in Caracas), Roberto Jimenez, “ig interrogators were Isidoro MALMIEKCA, how Minister of Foreion elations, but then just a secretary to the Ministry of Interior. MALMIERCA Was assisted at times by Lt. ALFONSO (fnu), apparently an assistant tO MALMIERCA, who was auch More intelligent and much better trained than MALMIERCA, The latter did a poor job and got little out of Subject but ALFONSO did a much better job , himself would visit He claims that he d do no good for it was CASTRO himself he helped to teach Subject many years before how to fight the ommies and prevent their penetration into the labor movenent. AS a result, he Says,' CASTRO did not come but¢Ramizo VALDEZ didg¢- VALDEZ told him that the decision had a to shoot him ( Pubject) but that some or Section people of his Organization (MRP) Pay with their lives for what they, Subje MRP had done. The only way lready been made not Host of the military in jail wouldhave to ct and others of the he could save them, VALDEZ Said, would i his organization had been is fitted after a fashion into S&ate of things, He Claims that al resistance of the : 9 was useless, and 2) that it would be i setter to leave the Country and fight from abroad, and 3) that he , 40 proposed just such a move a eld just a few days before his orkers'* representatives at that Sve SO NO action was taken, then 31S own thinking and size up of the ta large meeting of MRP leaders i Capture, However, the Student and : meeting did not Support such a came his own arrest, An -attemmt was to have been made on CASTRO ® azooka from a room overlooking a public Plaga 3 aMpear on 4 October 1961, and VALDEZ had fou lans, through Dalia, P-ubjece assumes, Anyway, hat three People were to have gone uo to the reperly Prepared and an escape route worked o © ceremony, Of the three, one guy, Antonio VALADE ‘eld feet and took off for the States instead, Rau ‘AZO was there but did not fire the weapon, for some reason not hown to Subject, and the third man, whose name he co wld not . ran @nmember, apnarently did not go up to the room either. . S$ life, using a where CASTRO was nd out about thease Subject claims . { | ' Now, “ubject claims that Some of th LO Vaciana got toa pemaneo enemy enrtocasann nein TON te ee nee mee nettle a a tea nema = - . 1 VENTA DeL eee er ee
a meee 14-00000 t ye rd é weer a : ~ at Bell, believing that such resistance activities were in* fact futile and beiieving that CASTRO would in fact shoot ; his men, and believing that he could all alone determine ‘ what was to be said on TV, he decided that to accept the offer was the correct thing to do. He could not have the blcad of others on his hand, he said, untéss Something very worthwhile was being accomplished, He professed to VALDEZ, however, that he had no authority all by himself to make that decis‘on and asked to discuss it with three or four MRP leaders there in jail with him. VALDEZ agreed that he could discuss it withFPernando ROJAS but with no one else, and that was done. ROJAS reluctantly approved, ; ete teen mamma ete NERA RON OEE MEERA He wrote the presentation he was to give on TV and he siad ho substantive changes were mde by the Cubans, He constructed it, he said, to 1) tell them as much as possible what they wanted tohear without doing any real harm, 2) protect those still at large, and 3) give away as little senstitive information i t i & a fete 3 a) & ce] os bd s fee op f Co oy Lal & f vi i] ao Ss ‘<< jute - @ pus fund . 1+ = ot bo i) x re] & 3 pe ob & » & wy & 8. Why didn't the Cubans release him after the ransom was paid them? Because he would not Sign a oaper in effect Saying he was “sorry and asking CASTRO’s forgiveness, He meet with Alonso PUJOL: and three Ge2 military officers to discuss the relea se and the conditions of the release one day after the ransom had been paid, and when he refused the Ge2's conditions PUJOL took a piece of paper out and scribbled on it an agreement, which said Subject would cbligate himself not to become iLnavolved again in antie CASTRO activities if released, and he agreed to Sign that. In fact, he did sign it. PUJOL then handed it to the militay officess but they said the Cuban ove could not accept it. It was after that that the money was reutrned, ae er ee neeeertniee cen ms 9. How did he get out when he did? Through the efforts of*Gabriel - "GARCIA Marquez, a Mexican novelist and reporter in Mexico “ityvang - Fa good Briend of CASTXO-and other high Cuban leaders and of Subject. “and his wife. Subect's wife and GARCIA's wife are particularly Close, as are GARCIA's wife and Subject'’s children, 0 1 soem natitteersentes onto am the GARCIA's went to work “on it. In early November (he thinks) of 1977 GARCIA and wife visited Cuba and sren¢ sometime with CASTRO, GARCIA's wife allegedly told CASTRO that she had one important favor to ask of him, to release a good firend of theirs whe had by then held for Many years. CASTRO promised to do it immediately. However, by il Dec 77 Subject was still not out and:GARCIA, on his BeeP Ey in RatSsa NS Sea" WRST nd AUIS HHL PESDIO stopped oft poe co fet fo} C) wn =f fog Sande ® Ce] -* @ Ur) € pon Mae) ® E 8 fo) ved pm & re) * @ a a ‘<< bes 0 9° ae) pes ® 6 G 3 8 pee & os of ae] ® 7] 4°] jut 6 pts 3 TH -98 siete |< oa snaaneemaren se ae
14-00000 Sennen mete te eaten eet : sate ts ® NTE or SSO EA RDO ey ana AAD de cs ty TAKS SNAPS ewe om ee te tae te SENN ar we Sc aeD ot einen etnies Pt 0 tebe masotnaarettstna 21 vette st i] Carlos Rafae} RODRIGUEZ, WHO RE layed the latter went to see GARCIA at his GAPCIA that he was Sorry that he had Subject when promised but that there echelon of govt that were opposed to took him some tine tobring them arou Or spoke to ABRANTES, who was with hi him to find Subject and have hig brou next morning at 1600 hours. That was colonel drove Subject te the airport, etc, and he set off at 1700 hours on the airport was Colonel Manuel BLANCO fe the word to CASTRO and hotel room, He told ~: not been able to release were many in the top his release and that it nd. However, he called Sht to G-2 of fices the done and in fact a U.2 obtained his Passport, 12 December in the Same plane with GAPCLA, The-Ge2 colonel who drove him to | s "ho was generally. referred to a Malo. Several of our other su very military. 11.°GONZALES, who spoke only bjects had contact Some English and undoubtedly Speaks some, ‘prisoners with CASTRO, and he will continu . power, he says, to accom plish that object to Jamatea once to neggtiate with Cuban au to Havana, My team member “ill cover those Feport.e he is im the used Clothes business, for his business believe, at an early date. He expec to Latin Americans traveling to the Venezuelans and Brazilians for they MOSt spending money, He’s already sold @ good many friends and contacts in that he'll get a Lot of business fro has agreed to finance his to take avout $30,000 to steck h thorities, and once ive, He has been Hl activities in his sometime g and exnects to rent @ place on 8th Street, SW, in the 5000 block, I ts to cater Pretty much US, hopefully mostly are the ones with the to many of them, has Venezuela, and believes m Latin America, He has & friend who is prepared to make a $10, 000 loan, and 4 bank the tune of $20,000 and it'l is business adquately. He can and will get short term credit from some of his Suppliers but will probably be limited to 60 to 90 days. He* about the future, weight, and his wife works, iean backing company, 13. Suv§ect w as most aopreciative £ ‘@xamination, and he knows ‘that he ha _ the Agency. Nevertheless, “Compensation for his time in erison, al mentioned specifically, on the long list, as well as on others and other be or has been included appears in good health, .a S very optimistic lthough somewhat over The works in the office for a Puerto or the offer of a physical § AO Baney on escrow with - he probably is expecting some finaancial 2 thet oat ar 6 ~s At oe nee prmemestot t o oe | i 2 hag + one tmegpeeemngeret gee ea gE ieee eit ene slang © aah Ae 1 meee amet eg Re as wtetin Be en ee Eee then ates