404-t0241-10060 et SECRET EYES ONLY HEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD SUBJECT: HEPORT OF INTGRROGATION DATE: 30 duly 1965 L. Teday'a interrrogation consisted of two short sesegions (1410-1515, add 1610-1650). Subject was confronted with proof of hig errors on Komwsomol regulations, and algo of basic georgraphy in Kaliningrad Oblast. Questioning was confined to these two areas, and will be deacribed below, Im addition, there wore some interesting additional indications that Subject may have spent SOEs » tine in Soviet jail or prigon carp. 2, KOMSOMOL: a) Despite a number of leading questions and hints, Subject was unable to recall that Komsomol Congress (the 12th) took place in Pebruary 1954, while he was allegedly the Secretary of the 8CD K/O. If he had really been a Komsomol Secretary at the tims he-should remember the Congress - very well, gince be would have been involved in ita preparations. - fold about it, Subject said that such Congresses took piace practically every year. This is false; the previous Koagomol Congreas, the Lith, was im 1943;. . b) Subject again stated that he was. sure that the @azigus age for Koesonol members at that time was 27. Subject wae shown the pertinent Komsemol regdations for the period, whieh provide that the gaxiuum age is 26. Subject siaply ecntinued to ingist that he ia sure that he waa excluded from the Komsomol in 1954 when he reached the age of 27, and” that mo exceptiong were made for him. He did not comment on how he could be wrong on the reg@lations if he had been a Eowgemol Secretary. ce) Im the discussion of Komsomol regulations, Subject continued to insist that the dues were 2% fur all menbers. He spotted the paragraph about 2% entry dues im the regulations that were shown to him and ga d that monthly dues were identical with entry duea. Thie if aot eo, but ag we do not bavé @ copy of the 1949 meaberghip dues aecale, I.wag not able to siow him documentary proof of hig error. _ _ SESRET 2 | f a J cocaine free ~<A RARRACCIENEY + IRN RE -URNECPONERE oY empha nem Mane mae cwriaemesmernses* aniimpuaisae® EE IN epee nem sos cream + sy .
14-00000 | will] é) Subject was again unable to describe how he was: permanently registered as a member of the HVD K/0, bow he performed hia duties ag a Secretary or what these dutieca were in connection with the 12th Domaomel Congresa, or to game the Secretary of the MVD E/O. “ 3, Service in the Baltic: _In the course of the discussion of his service in the Baltic In 1952, Subject made such in- credible errors, and gave such lame deacriptidns of hig work, . that it ig neceggary to conclude that he did not serve there @@ a@ intelligence officer, aud that if he bes ever visited that area at all it waa only very briefly. a) Subject net only was uhable to nage the Chief of Intelligence of the 4th Naval Fieet, he couii not even give his proper title (be ingisted that big official designation wag “nachalnik razvedki;"”" actually, of course, it should be “nachalnik razwedyvatelnogo upravieniya” of the 4th fleet). b) Subject does not know the name of hig immediate commanding officer, the chief of the HEP. Subject did not know the samos of sore than two of bis fellow officers at . the BEEP. Im an effort to angwer thie queation he gave a . name ~ YELISEYEV - that he had not once wentioned whea under sinilar pressure in April 1964; i¢ is apparent that he invented it on the spot. ; , & Bubject continued to insist that he served in' ae TORT "Sovetsk, Prigorekiy Eray." Subject was then shown @ wap, aa : and found that the mame of the place where he had allegedly’ gerved was in fact Primorak. Subject said that be coulda’t understand why be had remembered it as Sovetek, and said that he had never been in the city of Sowetsk. Subject was also shown the Administrative-Territorial Divisions of the - USSR, and conceded that there is no Primorskiy Kray in the ; Soviet Union except the one in the Far East. Again, he had. mo @zplanation for his error. Oddly, after initially con-_ ceding his error, from time to tine Subject continued to Gay that he thought that be wag probably rignt after ali, and that the village of Sovetsk was tec geall to appear on the gap that be was shown. 4) In describing bis initial arrival at the BER; _ ie . Subject gaid that he arrived in Kalingrad, then had to go>. ; . . - by car from Kalingrad to Sailtiysx because there wag no. _# SECRET As OMY A Sc ATE aS CHEN EE og Sa BAECS? wlemecimnracnn tate wat ecnnae Set Ak Sma ie wataraeag mas mae mune ss rte te +
14-00000 a rr) ‘eran ub EYES GLY railway. to.Bal¢iysk. He then went. by cas from Baltiysk to. Prigersak. Img reality there was and is # rail connection from Kalingrad to Baltigsk, which passes through. (Subject wag not.told this, however.) e) Subject admitted that be did not do any operational work at the MEP, and said that was why he was digsatiafied aad. wanted @ transfer. However, Subject: could mot give 2 detailed or believable description of what his duties were. As be bag done go often in the past, he attempted to divert the questioning by launching into what is evidently a pre- pered lecture about the concept of | Stay-bebind operations. He was cut off. . 4 (MOTE: In talking about hig service in Kaliningrad Oblast, Subject has mentioned Primorgk, Sovetsk, and Zelenogradsk. It j@ interesting that towns of identical or closely sinilar names algo exist in Leningrad Oblast: Prigeorsk, Sovetgekiy, and Z2@lenogorsk. Both Zelenogradean ané Zelenogorsk are resorts. The Primorek and Sovietekiy in Leningrad Oblast are beth ca the. coast, about 10-12 kilometers from each other. Bearing im. mind. that Subject has previously described working. im the .-.. woods in Leningrad Oblaat in 1945 under conditioas that sound . wery similer te forced labor, it ig possible that there ia geome clue here ss to hoe Subject's legend was prepared. At this etage, however, it ia not. possible to draw any fire conclusions and th@ coincidence is simply noted for future. reference.) ; 8. Im the course of the four days of interrogaticn to date, there have been a number of indications which tend to eonfira previous impressions that Subject may bave spest eome time af a prisoner in a Soviet jail or prison camp. . 4s gowe of these have not been noted im the previous isater- wogation reports it may be convenient to summarize thea . re: a) On 28 July Subject made the intriguing remakk, “¢yuremnyy opyt otrabatyvalaya.“ This was in @nawer to ay ‘question about how he kept track of.the days. b) On 30 Juiy, Subject voluntarily lsunched into a ‘long and detailed explanation of bow he keeps track of the éays in hig present circumstances. A possible explagsetion for thia wnsolicited description is that Subject hed. reflected. on the implications of his rewakk.on- 28 July. . « a ne CRSOWY tat oni ese acbt pace adie eieyemun fen Donde ce a ee ee ee | pene”
e) On 28 July, while ZI vas agking Subject about the guuber of hia Party meaberahip card (which he did not remenber) ; wi ; Subject said, "I don't even reweaber my personal KGE number." So , . I teeediately asked Subject then such personal serial nunbers ; had been ingtituted in the EGE, and he replied that he didn't remeaber, that no one carried them with them but kept them in | the safe, that they were intended for wartime purposes. t COMMENT: Personal serial nusbers never existed either. im the army or in the EGB, and to the best of our km v~ ledge they do not exist now. The only place in Soviet scciety where such numbers existed ia in the prigon eamps: this wes one of the chief grievances and com plaints that the prisoners made in the famour VYorkuta | uprigings of 1953. i { i | { j i | 4) In previous interregationgs Subject has described | working in the forests cutside of Leningrad for two months im 1944. The conditiona that he described sound guch wore like forced labor than that of a military unit. e @) Although tattooing ig certainly practised to some. extent im the Soviet Navy, Komsomol and Party pressures restrict thia to a considerable degree. The number and extent of Subject’s-tattooe is more characteristic of young jailbirda.. 2) @ubject'a account of the handshooting episode gsuggesta one possible way that he might have wound up is ‘¢ °° gail. Certainly this incident could not have been taken as lightly in wartime as he would have us believe. @) Subject’s atory about a 15 day dentence in the Lyubyanka because of the veneraal disease incident suggests thet this may bave been inserted in his legend to cover slips eteening from long prigon experience, and possibly alge to : help bim in peasing the polygraph. i b) Subject’s earlier accounts about fighting at Tuapse, ~ - runsing away from school, etc. alse have several references | to prisom that may be significant. & once referred to the. military unit im which he allegedly joined in Baku as a “penal battalion”, be returned to the achool “under guard,” upon . arrival in in Moscow he was "arrested." __ eee as oe ee nee ‘ i?