/104-10183-10006 een era teetmmeis tte etre a ee guatBeae ws Seiprettren ee eeemeentit. titer ARCHERD crenata nntte ot cies sancee ce ap co euamtbnen van mus 6. Seti meeser mee ee i '" 20 November 1963 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD: SUBJECT : AMVUIP/1 Meeting, New York City Thuraday, 14 November 1963 . scheduled using an office/workt-room in A/l"s jewelry faotory-— showroom at 31 W. 47th St., New York, Oe 1 | } i \ | t 1, Meoting Time/Place, This meeting was laid on. 7 }. by phone from Washington on 13 Noveuber. It took place as’ . - ( i i 2. Purposes of Meeting. This meeting was soheduled in order to obtain information and identifications from A/1 revelant to the AMLASH Operation. We were particularly imtérested in determining AMLASH's present attitude toward the Operation and any details of or numes of likely confederates which he way have discussed with A/l ofter . Ontrich's departure from the scene. We were also interested fm using A/l as @ check against the list of litely AMLASH confeéerates which had been compiled by the MIAPRON group. | \ 3. Finances. The undersigned was prepared to. give AMVHIP/1 “su cient funds to cover his expenses and ,- those of AMLASH during the recent three-weck sojourn in a | Europe which A/i made at our request. Jowever, A/1l refused i to accept any remuneration whatsoever, stating that the } money we had given him for his round-trip—tickot’(9950,00). .— - - -.4 W@é enough. This, fer the record, represents an outley ; conservatively of some $1200 to $1500 by A/i from hie own pocket om KUBARK behalf, not to mention the lost time frou hie own business. We believe this gesture should be remembered in future dealings: with A/}. { | i | | i 4. General. A/l was feeling poorly as the result of a flu-type cold when we met. He atated that he would not have come in at all were it not for our scheduled meeting. Nevertheless, he spent willingly several hours with us, going over the points in which we were interested. The meeting terminated at 1530 with no incidents of a security mature noted. . &. Details of Meeting. Collecting’ information for the AMLASH operation constituted the principal of digougsions during this meeting, anc may be found as attachment A to this report. A oopy is filed élse in the AMLASH 201. | sss —t7o—— , RR Creasouay B64 Letts | . “9 ww HO em Dol LIS } - 4 : -
14-00000 1400000 tte tent a hi ne 4G SECRET 3 fhe © eo : ATTACHMENT A TG: AMOMIP MEMO OF MEETING OF 14 Nov 1963 pe ! | t 5 esse 9 fhe following tnformation and observations were obtained from A/l during the above meeting: 1. AMLASH Secretary: Ernestinn ACOSTA Gonzalez | - (mickname: Me) calle 25 - #526 Apt 8 (presumably cur 25th St., No. 526.... Vedado - Tc lephone 303865. ; (Note AMLASH has considerable confidance in his secretary, | ; and has suggested that letters or packagos could be sent there on @ one or two-shot deal.) 2. In response to the question of whom AMLASH wight turn to in order to carry out hia plans, AMMHIP seationed the following persons: r Vose ACEF Yarm, ca. 33 yra old, who is functionary-. ' ‘Un Havana aunictpal_govt. le ts ‘Qf moorish deadént.> Has wide ‘elrele of. acquaintances in Havana. - Jor AMMEJEL o Ramon GUIN. & Wan ALMEI Re The NIEVES Of the above, A/1 felt that GUIN, ACEF) The WIEVES: NAaANIO) and . EIRAS were the most dependable. The degree to which (Juan ALMEIDA could be trusted was questioned by A/1. In addition to the above names which A/l volunteered, he asked about ‘Major DIAZ- » Major Tony CASTELS and jer Faure CHOoMO A/i stated that he felt (DIAZ-ANGUEL his brother "Tin-T. cou)d be used and were trustworthy; pen TEL aud CHOMON, on the other hand, would not be utilized & im the initial efforts by AMLASH, but, if his efforts were y oad BZ, saocenatu, they could be counted on to support LASH in the ne A LTS ENN AID, © EEE Stitt Aen eh GEA Gt eS oEDAee Meee eqennee w+ on period which followed. They would never be taken inté the . Sar ere errno ccnp Wi etter ven even es nan we ips mene ‘ omens aa ao cmmemrann — ‘ seer of te eee - we "infer-sanctum", however. When asked about Majors Pedro) omy rasa Rodites F NAS, and Curique MARBONET Gomez, _A/1 “pnt tated that ‘ould never he utilized, PORSONEN would vol”, “fit inte the TELS CHOON category, and ‘MIRET, though Kia? < friendly with TASH, “could not. be trusted ag hia priuary loyalty was to FIDEL CASTRO. “ty eh Biome if Eriters 233 Sash, MOT FeRAS Beg SECRET ae ae ee n ‘ SRS AO EE HAO a AY oe nn Ae Ne ee ees emnne nen ga een As ENN OL oe, ee ema te Gee tasses crag 4 Ob Ot aT \
14-00000 14-60900 , Pago’ 2 of Attach..A hte —_____3._Concerning‘Majors William GALVEZ Rodriguea, 5 |, . ictor MPUSSOM Cog O eed eee ete PEReZ_ (Hantang?), and : ve e Antonio LUSSON (4020N?} Batlle, A/l stated that he did not know these types well and therefore had little te sa regarding them. He did say that he did not cure for \GALVEZ personally and that he was a little “psycho"; BORDON was: OK; (PEREZ\ was an older man, ca. 60 years, who was a nonentity who had his rank because he had guided the roup\ inte_the hills at the beginning of the fight againat. Batista: ‘LUSSON\ was probably too loyal to itaul CASTRO to be considered for any initial action. 7 tts nen tty? . a ie f 4, When questioned about the identities of followers Sp | of Major {EET RAS), A/L stated that it would be better to . i ! refer to AMLASH, as he (A/1) could only give information that i é was three yeara old and hence not very accurate. We did not ‘ : press the question, nor suggest names, as it was evident : ; i that he felt that his answers would simply not give a true, , pO current picture. &. A/l provided the full nane of a possible lead which he had discussed earlier wi ich: t i Colle B Ae." 453. Apt 6, Vedado is an adeistant to {. | [ “Direeter of rte"jfTOF the National Govt " —~ “\__d po ee | | | : i | \ = 6. Im addition to the above information, the undersigned diacuesed various aspects of the ANLASH case, and in particular, questioned A/l about AMLASH's frane of mind and future plans which he may have revealed to A/1_ . after Ontrich departed the scenes. A/) made several. points,. which basically beiled down to the fact that AMLASII waa still not pleased with the support he was getting from the. USG side. The visit with DAINOLD, who acted in the capacity of a representative of high levels of the Govt concerned with the Cuban problem, satisfied AMLASH as far as polioyy wag concerned , but he was not af all happy with the fact that he still was not given the technical assistance for the operational plan as he saw it. A/1l said that AMLASH dwelt constantly on this point. He could not understand why he was denied certain suall pieces of equipment which promised a final solution to the problem, while, on the other hand, the USG gave much equipment and money to exile groupe for their ineffective excursions against Cuban coastal targets, According te A/l, AMLASH feols strongly on this poiut, and if he does not get advice and materiale - Te RR A SNA TT ten ot ORE once mnt ee ane a SEGRET TT ot ease TT thd EEN Na mee Petr ve WES OB Shins “he, ia eae ree EO LECT Td es ee TT Re NANI cnr erecta reat gettntgp rec castaeeat
14-0000 14-00000 | “SECRET Page 3 of Attach. A from USG technician, he will probably become fed-up again, and we will lose whatever progress we have made to date. A/l stated that AMLASN now has his feet wet vis-a-vis cooperating with USG and has accepted the fact that he will : Work profitably and securely with it. It is this that we H stand to lose with our procrastination. AMLASH also — talked about going to the French terrorist group, the OAS, in order to get the matertals and guidance he needs. It : .. 4&f& believed. that he waa talked out of this idea, after the ; dangers involved ware discussed with AMLASH. ; i q i 7. With regard to the radio gear, AMLASI stated that he did not feel that he wanted to take one in with him, particularly in view of the recent arrests in Cuba of agente carrying concealed radios. Me was not opposed, : ; : however, at this time to hevingia radio cached for hin, ; 4 i to be recovered by him later, : . - Ane veneenn nes sew ne : 8. According .to AMMHIP, 42 there is any interest in having AMLASI link up with other trusted asseta in i Cuba, these nanes would have to be given to him beyore he ' returned; otherwise he gould not trust any other means x. used later inside to get hin to initiate or Feapond to such contacts. , } { ,* 8 A/l stated that AMLASH talked about getting | | { oe meget Santee aid fron, or at least discussing his position, with Maaole RAY. However, he stated that he questioned whether this was the best idea, since if RAY came to Paris while he (LASH) was there, people would conclude that there wag.. something botwoen the two, Another apot would be better, thopght AMLASH, 10. At the time of A/l's departure, AMLASH said that he would contact "Jack" (Red Stent, Paris staffer) upon his return to Paris. (This he subsequently é6id om the 18th of November, according to info received ‘from Paris-somewhat belatedly). . i i H j i | | z : . 12. When AMLASH, A/1, and VENEGAS were together im Rome and Italy, VENEGAS told AMLASH that peeple were betting that LASII would not return to Cuba. Song had also | ' questioned his mother on this point. AMLASH reportedly told VENEGAS to cover all the bets he could as he would be a rich nan, (It tas at this time, according to A/l, | that AMLASH decided that he had better return to llavana | oN Ae ao tn ates nanan eee cya et Pee res hid * ) 4