= pd x [tod-10250-t0080 t 4. ‘Re. 8 ——, . c 2 Page ry “ ome lee 27 Januery 1965 MEMORANDUM FOR: Jim O'Connor, Tsb/Security SUBJECT: Contact with Herman E, Kimsey - Jan Beck, TSD/GARB , 1. As you requested at our meeting on 25 January, I heve prepared this summary of my contact with Er. <imsey since he left the Agency in August, 1962. 2, My contact with K, has been via the telephone, except for a couple of occasions when I hed lunch with him or he visited Chief, GARB in Central Building. I cannot recell ever calling him, but his calls to me have been mostly to the office and only e few to my home. 3, With a few exceptions his reason for calling sees to have been non-specific; he just wanted to chat. Often he would open the conversttion with, the gambit ef asking for someone's telephone extension, more then once for «tension, or for Dick Kuhn's hore aleress. Sometimes he would call my attention to something interesting he had read in the paper about some new technique, some mutual friend, etc. Occasionally he would ss be fishing for information about old associates, mainly Mrs and Dick Kuhn: how they were doing and what they were doing nowadays, and so on. Since I usually evoided answering such questions directly, T cannot tell if he already knew about the person in question and wanted confirmation, or if he was fishing. The bulk of the converstions then consisted nainly of dialogue about his job plans, femily, mutual friends outside the Agency, and so on. 4. Several calls were about the one instance when I was directly involved with him on a project. It pertained to a job opening which I had heard about and wanted to pess on to him. It was as a document examiner or a related job with the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Portland, Oregon. He seemed interested in pursuing the possibility, but in a recent conversation he had still not applied and did not seem interested, - 5, The only other calls on a specific subject where those on the subject of the Anastasia story, early in 1964, and on the Polish colonel's claim, 22 Jenuary 1965, On the Anastasia subject he mentioned his involvenext in the cese vie Cleve Backster and gave me the general background as he saw it, including a certain intrigue involving "Reds working for 'Life! magazine" and the Soviet and British intelligence services p-obsbly being in the background to protect their interests. Extluded from actomatis gawngradiag aud éeclassification
6, Until.22 January hehad no’. mentioned the subject of the olisk colonel at all. He called me at home, and I immediately i up the subject since I had read about his disclosures in the paper a week earlier. “When I prodded him about being in trouble vor the newspaper interview, he appeared confident thet he was not in any trouble because he was "in daily contact with Agency people". He further said that his purpose in the disclosure was to pry loose from the Agency those documents which would help the colonel establish his true identity. But it was pretty obvious that kh, was surpised by the big play given the story in the paper. In fact, he had even considered cslling the reporter and asking him to retract some distortions - he did not say which - in the story, but on second thought could not put his finger on any clear-cut error worth (“fighting over. Other items from the conversation: if the colonel's cleim is successful E, and Cleve Backster would turn over any share of the fortune to .- "the fund for promoting the lie detector", axcept their expenses and tine nor paid out of their own pockots; K, is convinced of the coloncl's Pd clain to the fortune being legitimete. He did not. seem to be fishing for informetion about the reaction in the Agency to the newspaper story. All - he said about it was to ask how Lon Thomas reected. EH, Aid give me the impression thet he had examined some (identity?) documents of the colonel when working for T3D/GARB in 1961 (7) baceuse he said thet I would recognize the rents picture if I sew it. But he inmediately changed his mind and seid "it wes probably before your time". ‘When I asked him rf g a matter which he only Imew. about from his official apecity in working for the Government, he assured me that he had only arned of the colonel's claim to be the son of the Czar late last year idly he said at the time of the Presidential campaign). At the. ad of the hour-long conversation he stated the real reason for calling and that was to tell me that the colonel was to be on television, the ll o'clock news on ABC/Channel 7. This must have been @ mistake on his part because that news: program is local end not a network progra: from New York, _ 7,. This summery is the best of my recollection; if you need additional information, I will be glad to fill in the gaps. Tou Lech fast mys Pe Eee deed aE 2009 mr SEGRE: