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{. i £ was evatuatt Lee ES Hy OG . z ' oo Me Gokdsmit.s, But you are ertain né&v Srtheless. that . 3 ! using your stay at the ayency on at least two or | three, ogea~ 4 | sions you saw an individual whom t you knew to be Maurice Bishop: / 5 Ee a Mr. Bienes) Whom someone told me - wmhat is Hanzice 7h °. ‘ur. Golds mith. Mr, Chairman, r have « no  €urther. sqestions a ls at ‘this time, I may have a Few, follow-up questions. .; a the - i oe 9 | i committee has questions, E will tyield at this time. : 10 * Mr. Preyer. All right. Mr, Pithian, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. . a -. Do you get any feel for whether other people that you get Tg | to see just casually atthe CIA are ~- I don't know how to put | this -- higher or lower on the pecking order? “1S i 1G 7: Mr. Pitdatgo Pardon? Hs . ss Me. Fithian. Do you.,have'a feel for an individual that i you see casually over at the agency as: to whether or not they 13 - | are higher up in the structure? @ | . . . , - LY ; oe) > ” oA ; . oe 20 | x, Gzdekgo)] A feeling? é . : : i. | Mr. Fithian. Yes, 2 | . » | xv, [(Hederge] ‘You mean when I was working at the agency i an ae : . oo : 7 “3 | if I saw someone --- - - - a4 . Mr. Fithian. You didn't see them, you were not working , . i , HH e ; x , . e * ne i with them every day, you just see them from time to time, do.» q : - ; aa . 2 re . Oe : i? : eG AA fas fis Hy. a
whether by eating Lunch or what they ace coang “2S to whether they are above you in rank or equal or whatever? you qet a Feel, Mx, (ditiekgo.) Yes, I think I know what you axe trying to ay. Essentially, yes, sir, _ “Mr, Fithian. Do you have an impression that Biship ‘wa Sod Mr. Edateo] ‘XY would say he was. a higher grade than I wa du SSS epee ere weno center eee ty ate pte se sees ess inn ean we ese | | | higher? i ey: Mr, Fithian, Higher grade than you were?. | | oo Mr. (Hidatsa) Of course I was not a very high grade. i —_ - . 10 | Mr. Fithian, That is the only question I had, Mr, Chair- aU Tass - . . | “Mr, Preyer. Was your office in Langley in the CIA head— 13 quarters? _ . | | ig H Mr ,(Giidalge Yes. At the time I was in headquarters, = sl That is where I went. ° “16 | Mr. Preyer, And Dave Phillips' office was also there? ° e - i 2 ai o i Mr, JRtdalge)] ‘Yes, sir, | | : Preyer;—aAnd-you-would-_ge-out—oecasionall: oing down to Mexico? 4 Mr. Htéalgo. yes, sir.” Mr. Preyer, But you_would be working for the CIA in © | m~, ss Yashington and not for Win Scott,.the chief of the Mexican station? . . Mic, HeagKOO that is correct, sir. - When I went to omeone‘s area on an operation, they would be advised thitc x i . mos . . - a, ? oo RICE G2 PCA POP tense Lil Yor
a Preyer. You gay yeu knew 1 Dave ‘Pailips vel bat pas "on operat that met and happaheg t Aike ence other, i préyer, Was his p¥¥ice naar you a i ~— . _ . doe Mr. "Preyer. And i: Maurice Bishop.ts office | was Snot, on 16 th the Same £idor aS yours in Langley? > — - Mr; [Rtextge] I don't know, It was a very ‘large floor ew 13 | a and there were many people on the floor that haa nothing to. 1G i ‘do: with what I had to do. 50 | “Mr, ‘Preyer. Dia Bishop have some relationship in his 20°" | ne tg > . . 31 I appearance and age to Phillips? oan an . — ts a4 ! Mr, PHdaige. | Again I cannot recall Bishop's appzarance aa ‘iH ° . : . : j at all, oA I _ Mr, Preyer. Do you recall more on the name when people _ ae i said, "That is Maurice Bishop"? ; t
pe ha ave * on ah RD da know his. By. any ‘ether n Who is AMNUG? Do we rat sen . 1. Mr. idangom ‘Yes, sir. At one time: rv “ coula give vor Right now I can “only give you: his First naihe 5 |) eee. name \y hetieve was! ‘Viadimer. and the name- ‘I uf conti- | oie aentially was’ reaaie. | | 7, - 10 ae, Preyer. A He was a Cuban defector? - { . nl “ne, whaadgo. ‘Yes, sir. . 9 Mr. Preyer. Who was connected with Cuban intelligence? Mr. Hidalgo, Yes, sir. ) | Mr. Goldsmith. - Mr. cna I state for the record th : committee does have this individual's true name but just¢for \ sake of security we are not 7xeferring to it. '" Mr. Preyer. All right. A : _ Mr. firdekge.. I appreciate that. oy | . , Mr. Goldsmith Thank you. , NO “Thank you, a have no fur thex, questions, os ‘NN Mr. Goldsmith, | Mr. Chairman, z have jus sta “few more” | Rad Beara I may proceed. How much time do rT: nave Mr, Fithian andI will have to leave You in Mr. reyer, WLLL it take you more than a few ple of minutes hee. NAO m¥nutes or so? We have got to go and vote.