404-10219-10074 PROCESSING ACTION Chief, #E Chief, 82 : Chief of Station, Rome ey tm, race wl KUDESK - De, Roscoe Beryl “HITE REFERENCES: (a) 24330, 17 Auguat 1965 (b) 24418, 15 September 1965 1. The story provided by Subjeet during our interview at the United States Consulate in Trieste on 25 October 1965 soneerning hia experiences while in the Soviet Union is essentially the sane as that provided by Dr. George Renninger in reference (2), Although Subjeet was reasonably ao- operative, he was not as fully communieative as we sizht have desired, In . eonaidering the various possible reagons for his partial hesitanee tt ap- pears rather obvious now that our continued interest in what he interpreted to be a very simple relationship with a Soviet girl has caused him to sus- pect that possibly we are suspicious of nim. Aagording to Subjeot, the entire episode was reported fully while in Moscow and again to KUBARK last Christmas while he was on a visit to the United Statea, Subject stated that he had prepared a report in writing for Dr. Goldberg at Prineeton University who aete as a cu between for ZUBARK, It ia obvious that he was probably asked to prepare a general report on his experiences while in the Soviet Union for KULOOK which we had not been aware cf previously and. which may not have come to the attention of KUDESK. Unlvuas Headquartera hag some rather specifie questions it ia considered unlikely that we can provide any information in addition to that reported in the following paragraphs ob- tained during this interview, ‘ yt $0 eens One And SO Bone ennet a Arete He RASS ware oramatn A ae sewn we ete Peon ae oe neat ne AE ate 6 fae verms romerempentee covenants meme cwttamartemmecte ememeter © ate ae Ace Ae hnts 2. Subject arrived in Moscow during the early part of November 1963 on a ten month exchange fellowship arranged between tha Rational Academy ws of Sciences and the Soviet Academy of Sciences. Subjeet was assigned to mo the Lebedev Physies Institute in Moscow and the major portion of hia life - while in Moscow revolved arcund his work at the Institute or various in- i dividuals met through the Institute, Subject ate lunch in the Institute oF lunch room or cafeteria and usually at about the same time each day, some- time between ome and one thirty. Approximately two weeks after he had sh Distribution: . -(3 - Chief, WE 2-C/SR Le l— 25232S ; CROSS REFERENCE TO (OE ee mar: a et wid Cf 8 Novenber ee A sans aM e Caines! i we «Rett mt nim ahead ote eta AH NA ARI Rn aoa peek patna NR alee mi ates fF eRe RB ANU RSET ARE MA MT ORNTARED “ELAN AIOEA Sesegga ia heat eouerarengmmnnne mee SET ee eS TT ey Se OR EO an 7 ccmueaT preter agintett oa, apioernaanaits LGR tee yr etal wate Raa A. tenesteheree ge FM ade ste tee . copa eben tote et yank SO Word ran : ¥ seneeypigaen ge ce et
14-00000 te £ * . ‘ DISPATCH | SECRE SRE aWS Hp gaibriiie “OLAA = ABDUL . ee raQl 7o-2/ arrived at the Institute, Subjest and nid ras leazue, Dr. Georze Renninger,s who was at the Institute on a similiar ten’ month excrange fellowship, were approached by Viadimir Anatolavieh SOXCLOVSKTY while waiting in the cafe- terla line. SOKCLOVSKIY, who identified himself as an American, said that he had heard that they were in the Institute and wanted to meet them. Dur- ing this first conversation Subjeot claims that SOKOLOVSKIY told them that he was in fact William Hanilten MARTIN and went on to explain some of the guperfielal details surrvunaing nis aerection to the Soviet Union in 1605, on MARTIN told them tnat if they did not consider him too tainted, he would - an weleome the opportunity of talking to scone Avericang. He felt that there - a were zany facets of his experiences while in the Soviet Union whieh he : * would like to talk about but which he could not diassuss with his Soviet : friends. Either on this-oceasion or later, MARTIN mentioned that Vernon ae MITCHELL, who had defeated with MARTIN, was living in Leningrad. on 3. Approximately a week later Subject met MARTIN again in the lunch a room, MARTIN reporte; that following his firat encounter with Subject and . RENNINGER he had been salled into the party office at the Inatitute, They 4 apologized to him for not having warned him in advance that Subjeet and RENNINGSR were being assigned to the Institute, sinee tiey were sertain : that Subject would have wanted to avoid ther, They told MARTIN that it a . wag perfeetly permissible for him to talk to them, but that he should de?~- ’ initely not reveal his true identity to them nor should he give thea his addrese in Moscow singe there was the possibility that they had been sent to the Soviet Union to asgasainate hima, Quite naturally. they algo wanted . te know what MAHTIN had disousaed titm Subject and RENNINGER, As a general 1 fe rule, Subject saw MARTIN in the lunch room every weex or two for the entire mee period that he was in Moscow. On certain oceasiong it appeared that MARTIN would aveid talking to CubjJeet. Based on MARTIN's aations, Subject assumed this ugually depended on who was present in the luneh room, SubjJeat added at this point that their disoussions with MARTIN were always in English. 4, MARTIN made it definitely clear to Subject that he was interested a in getting out of the Soviet Union. He described life in the USSR aa a i constant game with the Soviet offiefals. MARTIN felt that he had only bees i able to keep his head above water while there because of his knowledges of Soviet. law, He explained to Subject that he had devoted a great deal of time studying Soviet law and had used hie knowledge to protest himself. The Soviets were frequently at a loss when confronted with quotations from their own lawa in total confliet with aetiona which they were trying to impose on MARTIN. Subjest was once asked to write a letter to MARTIN's parents asking them to.put pressure on the Soviets and the Press to help ry . in obtaining his release. Subject said that-a copy of this letter must wel |’ . be available at KUBARK. 5, MARTIN aleo deseribed in great detail to Subjeet life in general care within the Soviet Union and what the averace Soviet citizen must face every ce day. .It was obvious to Subject that MARTIN had been greatly disillusioned “ following his arrival in the USSR when he found a soaiety totally different . from what he had anticipated prior to his departure from the United States. uy The Soviets had exerted sonaiderable presaure on Subject to participate in LO various anti-US radio programa or te write anti-US articles, After mush — disoussion back and forth MARTIN agreed to write something if they would : ie promise to publish it without editing. He wrote what he considered a very ne objective comparison of life in the USSR and that in the U.S. After having ! an i submitted this article he was never approached again on this topie, 6, Regular contacts between Subject, RENNIN@ER and MARTIN continued ' in the lunch room with general conversations such as those noted above un-_ til December or early January, 19604. At this point MARTIN asked Subjeat ~ . 4£ he or RENNINGER weuld.go to the U.S. Embassy to ask them if there were - : any way in whieh they sould assist him in. leaving the Soviet Union legally or otherwise, Subject rm oted that’ RENNINGER had already contacted the U.S. Embassy following the first meeting with MARTIN to report on their eon- ‘|’ vergations with him and the fast that he was in Mogcow, , " USE PREVIOUG EDITION. Aloe ett gh am DE fe FEAR ER ee cae
OE EEL OA soregeenncamerenmnraeed I ~ DISPATCH t ae Pr 5 wel Fe - yatet vole ~ ° . oot it Cae ‘ 7. Alac at about the same tise, ‘probably early January, Subject was ' gtanding in the luneh roum line (Subject always referred to it as the lunsh room rather than a cafeteria) when Le saw MARTIN vogether with an attrac- tive youag girl about twanty or twenty-one years of age. They stopped roo hat for a woment and MARTIN introduced Alla Aleksandrovna KOZLOVA. SubJjéot emphasized that this was entirely casual and that their conversation at this meeting lasted ror only a few monenta.. A few days or possioly a week later MARTIN saw Subject in the lunch reom and mentioned that “Alla” had found him quite a handsome individual, MARTIN meationed this oaly in passing and : in no way, an far as Subject was concerned, attenpted to foroe "Alla" on sub- i ; ject. Subject was equally impressed with “Alla” and during the following H . few daya made several inquiries among Lis Soviet colleagues in the Insti-. : tute. No one had anything particular to say about her otner than that she : _ wag rather aetive socially and had aeany friends in the Institute, At this ; - point Subjest did not know where she worked at the Institute, 8, Sometime during the latter part of January 1964 Sbjeot had his first date with "Alla." Subjeat could not recall exactly how this was ar- ranged, but believes that he met her in the lunch room and asked her to go! on @ troika ride with him. Thia was followed by five or six other dates with her over the next seven or eight weeks, They went to a film onee, the  Bolehoy onev, the opera onee and restaurants oa two or three oogasions. thee atten teeing a: 9, After a while Subject noticed that she was particularly interested in his Soviet friends and other contacts in the Soviet Union. For example, on the evening they attended the Bolshoy, Subjeat noticed nis friend william (Bill) FARRIS, an Aseriean exchange atudent at the Moscow State University. Subject had known him at Princeton University, Subjeot said, "Oh, there is Bill." She inmediately said, "What did you say abuut SOKOLOVSKIY?” In other words, she knew perfectly well that SOKOLOVSKIY and William MARTIN were one and the some, She was obviously embarrased and tried without success to cover up her blunder. MARTIN later told Subject that "Alla" had called him that evening te cell him of her blunder, She also onoe assed Subjeet if he + were really going to return to the United Sates. Tnis could, of course, be interpreted an a defection pitoh. Suojeot feela that it was more of a casual personal. remark, - : tate Te eae ee inte ceabigeyece Ane Cedars tanta ns RET near athe tee OA i 10, Acsording to Subjeat, “Alla” seemed to him te be sush too friendly, : witlo at the sane time not sincerely friendly, In February, Subjvet's. sus- picions had mounted to the point where Le decided to ask. his Soviet col- : league in the Institute, Ilya ROYZIN (phonetic), if he sould cheek with ' . gone of his contacts to determine if “Alla” was in fact being used against ; him fer some purpose, Subjeat claimed that he already kiew at this point : through conversations with his Soviet colleagues that ROYZIN could oheck % . without bringing it to anyone's attention. Shortly afterwards, ROYZIN re-, tuned to Subject with the advife to stop seeing her. ite caationed Sub- poo jeat that he should not mention to anyone that he had talked to him and bry ' gertainly not to say anything, Subjeot claims that he stopped dating her . . after thig point, but did oscasionally see her in the lunch room. After . Subjeot stopped seeing her she called him at his hotel every two or three . on ' @eys. At no point did MARTIN really push Subjeet on continuing the relation- : a ll, Subject desoribed their relationship as perfectly natural for two _ . young people interested in each other, They seldem discussed anything of ; importance and never diseussed his work at the Institute. Subject went _ hone with her to her apartment on two separate. cesagions, Once she asked him to spend the night with her, but he indicated that he should get back Po to hia hotel, Subjeot desoribed her as possibly a bit more forward sexually im .. than otherg that he had met, but that their relationship was perfeotly . normal and certainly nothing that cculd.be used against him since he was a aingle man. The apartwent was actually her mother’ 8, a cne room apert- .., ment with an alcove for the bed and 4 small Kitchen, Subject never met her “)" mother and fs not sure if her father lived in the apartment with the mother. UREA Marte pen etree an é h emma + 1 t 4 os rorm i . 560 58a USE PREVIOUS EDITION. oes wn MeStecete edged rede me TRS elle Na Ore gece Te i RE Se eral Se > Sayre nggarpernerren Aemieegran wines, petyetannnenter ey isnt Spree parame ED gt tone “ater Mints forks Ae 0 RS sees
Sa ETLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEeEa Bo 8 at ip ihe ke SIRA = ABZ . 7° "1°" Bubjeet does recall that her mother iene oy Hades, although he did ° - not know if the first one had died or if Gey” fad teen divorced, Sudjeat a heard from someone that her father worxed for the 163, Subjeat could pro- . . vide absolutely no further information on this point,. “Alla” never seemed * ' to be pushing the relationship even though she did seem curious about sexe — ‘ of Subject'’s friends, Onee she mentioned to Subjest that they should not. be seen together in the lunch rom since this might te a risk fer her. g 12. Subject last saw “Alla” alone just before he ieft the Soviet Union, . He was down town one day and met her br chanse. Trey atopped for coffee a and chatted for awhile, The only thing of any aignificancs noted was that bo ehe had been disuissed from the Lebedev Institute and was then working for ad Ministry of Foreign Affairs. During the past suszer, Subject and REWNNGER poy again visited Moscow for a week (15-20 July 1965). They drove from Trieste ‘ to Prague and then on into Moscow via train, Arrangements were nade through Inturist, They visited the Lebedev Inatitute for a day, as well as, friends in Mossow,. Nothing ceeurred on this visit of any particular note, Subjeet promised to prepare a written report on this trip during the next two or three weeke and will pase 1t to the underalgned via the Consulate. in Trieste, Possibly after reviewing this report we cay have further questiona. Since 8 his return, Subjest has received a brief letter from “Alla” in elementary nid German atating simply that she had heard that he had been in Moscow and ~ bs . that she was sorry that they had not seen each other, Tne return address 5 a t t 26 lett indicated that she had moved: y Moskpa W~36 boop Profaojusnaja 01,15 i 8 ; '  Kerpua 1 Kwartira 10 13. Subject's responses to the questions contained in the "Personality Data Debriefing Guide® produesed the following additional information: A, Basic Biographic Data ; (1) Beme: Alla Aleksandrovna KOZLOVA. , (2) Nicknames: None other tran “ATYa". 1 oe (3). DPOB: Subject was not certain but believes that . .- 8h@ wag born in Moscow and had always lived there, a St es He did not know her exact date of birth, He estimated Py i : that it sust have been about 1941. : (4) Citizenship: Soviet (5) Iden Doouments: SubJjeat. never saw any of her. doouncnts, (6) Pather: As noted abcve Alla‘'s mother had had two: husbands, He assumes thet one was Alla'g father, Her father was algo supposedly working for the KGS, acoord- ing to MARTIN. (7) “Mother: Subject never met her. Subject only knew that. Alla lived with her mother in the apartment in whieh he =§ ~*~ we Pe fo es ss nd visited. oY (8) Siblings: Subject does not think that she had any sib- (9) Spouse: Never married. '. (10) : Edueation: Subjeot knew that she nad had some special- ized training after sompleting high seheol, but does not believe that she ever attended the University. a .- (11) Religion: Atheist, She wema small gold eress given ” po Tm to herp by her grandmother, but Subject explained that 4 oo _ o this had no religious meaning. . .. toe. 20+ a 612) Languages: Russian (native). She told Subject once Y that ashe planned to learn German, Based on the brief note in German recently received from her, ane appar- : @ntly has made some progress, She also spoke a. very little: English, Subject does not -Imow if she had ever studied English or where she micht have lesrned it. . oo». °, (13) Ezployment: Subject did not know if she had ever - ee worked anywhere prior to joining the Lebedev Institute. Ss Subjeet did not know her. exaot poaition there, though oo _ she was in. the First Section or the Party Office, . . oy as he SRR When he met her just prior. to his departure, she told : * him that. she.had transferred to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. . PAGE QO. con [ERR sea | mon [peste OR eT |B. [3 i : - ™ ee vaigcat as aap ERE,
DRT OTRA R2sS Aye Vw ena ne cecentanerra scotrnentuaraserere tenants tay tat te aioe’ & Sard : : “ (14) Arrests: Hone known," MOYZIN cnce mentioned that. ; . ahe had ones been caught taxing money from the : _- Institute, Subject had been told that situations : ‘ ; sueh as this were frequently used to «enlist the ; ‘ eooperation of employees for reporting on fellow 4 ; employees, ete. padi ot ie Bert B. Physieal Description . . (1) Apparent age: 20-21- HE (2) Weight: ca, 100 lbs ; (3) Height: Ce. 5°” 1 0 (4) Ethnic background: Obviously slavis- nigh obesk Poe — bones and blask hair, ‘ ae (5) Budld: slight (6) Complexion: Fair ; (7) Heir: Black. Subjoct added that she does dye her hair and the navural coler could be anything. (8) fyes: light colored, Gither blue or green, _ ' (9) Nose: emall ct rr to (10) Pace: Round a bot (11): Lips: Medius ~ (12) Peeth: Even and in good condition. va ove stananve es, (13) Clothes: Por a Russian girl certainly above average, ' . Subject felt that she dressed above her inesows, He t had no evidenee, however, : (14) Health: Subject a very athletic person and always: in exeellent health, A very bright and lively person. (15) Special featurea: None 6. CGurrioulus Vitee pos Subjest gould provide nothing supplementing that 3 ie _ already given above, { . iy ; D. Personal and Private Data — : oS . (1) Address: Moscow, Subject said that he has provided . the addresa previously. He alao has it listed in his Pos . diary which he left ‘with hie mothor when he waa home : , last Christeas, See above for current address. : (2) Telephone: She had a telephone in ths apartment. i . - Subjeat does not recall the number, i. a (3) ‘Apartment: See above, Subject considered the apart- re, mo went nice by Soviet standards, Subject was net sure - - ‘ £f the father lived there. Servents;: None. Meale: She usually. ate lunch at the Lebedev Institute. Dentist: Subject reealle that she onee went to the dentist while be was in Hossow. He eould not reeall - . +; . @ay dataila, ne : (7) Cluba: Subject was a mesber of the Komsomol and en- yo joyed visiting the Molodoznnya Club on Gorkiy Ul. be This was a club primarily for members of the Koesomol Pe ‘ where they had available aany of the popular current ae oe Coe Western records. : . - %S 7 > ss (8) «Sperts: Skiing, swimming and skating. ed i OS (9) Theater: Enjoyed the theater, CAM or Rae? Moree Moet? t ; _ (10) Vacation: Every summer. Arranged through the Institute. i (11) Hobbies: Amsriean jazz. f Personal friends: Subjeat had ne specifiea information, : Smokes: Subject does not believe that she smokes. a ae ee Aleohel: Norzal me """* €18) Casual Sex: See comment above, : f Tranaportation: Usually took taxis, metro or the bus. Pepe Tee tino No oar. : ; % Tewp Ba se 7 Ge" “ (ae) Pinaneial: -Acearding:to Subject, she seened to spend ‘ money faster han. ghe earnei it. : woe E. Political Data Lo (1) Member. he, Vomsomol.  Subjeet did not know if she yong FORM : ‘ . cao) Soe USE PREVIOUS EDITION, | -' # £40) i sea sd og r ete situ BLE -¢ ede the ett Sah Helpers Wah Syne + wed bet? we vo a bear Se URE,
1 resp wee . aon ee Frm bade RIT TS EG Othe ante DIGPATOSR i eae Le a a hae 4, CARA = 4&e50) TFS one tect ae a a eet ernment en ee cence Ne repeat ree octane see nn aoe ie een eeprom spent Arpt * held any epecial ccalticn, although ahe did menticna onee that she had introduced a -meone at a neeting indicating that possibly ahe nelyed some sort of poal- tion. FP. Job Data - Kothing other than already noted above. G, Kiscellaneous, (1) Travel: fhe onee visited Poland with a student group. 14, In returning to the topic of MARTIN and Subject's contact with him, Subjest reported that MARTIN uaually did most of the talking. He discussed life in the Soviet Union end frequently his atterpts to get a divoree, (hen SubJeet was in Mosoow in July he learned that MARTIN hed finally received his diverse), MARTIN onee told Subjeot that he was permitted to receive Tize and Life mayazines:se long as he agreed not to show them to anyone, Subjeet and RENNINGER onee referred to tne allegations that MARTIN and MITCHELL were homo- sexuals, MARTIN etated emphatically that thin wes not true, He said that be kad some sex problems, b.t that he wags certainly not a homosexual. With regard te his defeotion, MARPIN said that he had contacted someone pricr to hia defestion. Subjeat unserstood that no money was involved and that MARTIN had not been an inplace ageut. 15. With regard to Headquarters desire for a personal assessment of Subjeet, the aireumatanees surrounding this meeting with Subject did not provide an opportunity for any sort of valid assesament. He was sonstant- ly on the edge of his ehair for the reasons previously noted above, As 4a bright and unusually gifted young theorvtical physieist he spends queh of hia tine wrapped up in a world of his own, At the same time he does en oy exin diving, skiing and other cports. in some waya he seemg to be rather naive, Pogeibly this ig the wrong terminology. A better way of deaorib- ing hia would be to say that he ig so Lrrolvyed in his om field of speatal- izationtiat he simply has never taken tice to properly sconaider many of the other problengs we fase in life, In going over the list of questions above he mentioned very proudly that he was an atheiet, At thia point all of these remarks are probably seaningless and should not be given any. weight in aseeagsing Subjest for possible future operational use, The undersigned expects that he will again be in Trieste in the not too distant future and — will make @ point of having lussh or dinner with him, Possibly under more relaxed ciroumstances we ean obtain a more objective piature of him as an individual, 16, If Headquarters has any specific follow-up questions we will try to cover thea when we see Subject again, We are at the voint now, hovever, where any further questions should be rather specifie to be eeaningful, Though much of the above is simply a review of information previously reported, we hope that a few of the new details will be of some value to ODENVY and Headquarters. Loe t CARLTON T. SHIVELL ~ -o USE PREVIOUS EUITION. ~~