104-10227-10004 As Mint ts the difference between tie Chiles on aoresicent, an agent, an informant, and so forth Trae personal file on a resident (Lichnuye delo reridentn) <= it ts Called the persenal file on a ventdent se lot us say == Ivan, Petr, and so on, + “ane and the content ts the sane with The personal file of the asent.., the exception that, tn the pornonal flle of the resident, thore is a list of the arents with vies he works, with whom he worked tn the past, in witch safeshousen he works, and 50 forth. Phat other files aro there Well, what was it called We Nhnd a file on INTURIST, for the wholo department. ' That is what it was callod. (2G), ((Pause)) On the basis of your explanations, one can sny that you have some Kind of knowlede, but not the knowlede of an employce who worked there. You yourself? cannot explain the siuplest things. You do not know your own [files or many other ftles which there were, ((Pause)) You da not know anymore. Let us return to another question “-- name all of the directorates and departments which wero housed in the new buildine, Duilding #2, Tue First Directorate, ‘he First Chief Directorate, Chief Directorate. ve 4 n ad Tie OK. Thue Chief Directorate of Sorcer Troops, Da a el
104-10227-10004 C(XG; A and B speak at the sane time .)) It is necessary to tndicate that he ig under developnent, and whon.- to plant” on him, and how... C(XG; A and B speak at the sane timne.)) GRIMNOV has said that he docs not want anyone except you, mo and. one other person to know... and that not one cipher clerk will know about this,... I will call on tho high-frequency lino (VCh), You cannot discuss such a question on the hiphsfrequency Lino, Woll, then, an employeo rocs there, Tam talking: only about cables, How, in this caso, will you compose and sored the cablo; how: ‘hat do you use for this; what is thoro: Well, a cable,.. then... if... you write simply, “We ask that you take him under agent survelllance,.., “os “Agent surveillance’ == the code clerk can road this every day; this «oes through his hands every day, I had what I told you in niind se an example: an ambassador is traveling; he is under devclopment; it Is necessary to put acents agent survelllance; wire=tapping; und other things; xnow of this «= "be on him; GRIBANOV has said that the code clerk must not careful"; and that ts all. You know what to do; send the cable, I never had such an instance. You send the cable; you are not told what to do.
104-10227-10004 A. Ro, you ave told every tiin;: to be done «< hut ((to do S0)) so that no one erdcept us knows about it, ‘Because At ts avery sltppery problen. BB. Tn such a case, an enployce sould fo there, an employee would fo there (XG). A. Wo are talking now about cables; t¢ is another natter that an employee would ro there; if an employce foes there, you go to GRIRANOV, discuss everythin, and thoro is no need to write anything. But, in this case, you have to send a cable, B,.. I cannot answer this question; I cannot. A. So, ((In Fnglish)) Very well. ((Long pause)) Wo were discussing that there are the accents -= the camp informer (vnutrilagernik), the prigon informer (vnutrikamernik): there ig the safe~housckecper, otc. What is an inside informer (vautrennik). oo, B. (XG). ‘A, What kind of tera is this. B. Well, it may be used in reference to a prison {nforuer; a canp informer also is an inside informer. No, it is not so; he is not a prison inforner, he ts not a camp A. tn former . B, Well, it may be, let us say, a target for development, a tarcet for development; he is worting in that tarnet ((i.e., installation -.« ob"yext)).— A, What do you save in sind hy "tarcet for developrcnt Cob'yekt SECRET”
104-10227-10004 Loe] e Fy ward 1 th » -I do- not-wenenber , The che: teaches students who study Russian history and Literature and vho B,- Yoto nve sure of that No one was, Alvis “iit, Now, let us bejrin from here e= how andamder widt clrcunstances ond hy whom was it ‘first decided that there was reason to’ work on ‘Mow did the 'Sover'ty Department cone to the concluston that there was reason: to worl; on EURGI. - low did this happen. Tae fact that SURGI was.an instructor at Yale C(Lon;: pausc)) Univorsity -- an assoc late professor, a teacher; I do not remember whe thier ho was in ‘literature ‘or soneth ing else but there, was something connected with) Russ lan history: or literature, fact: that... this fact itself ma ces: ‘vlna of interest -< oon .USO perhaps Sidaded. wor: Tis fact indicates ‘that this ‘man is ‘of interest and can “spot" - someone or students; - oo —— BURGI was of interest; he was an instructor of the Russian. -language and literature at Yale University, an Associate professor; he iiew students, and so forth and so forth == and for that reason was of some interest for the GB, and particularly for intellisence, ‘hat else: — What ether geets indicated that he would be of interest. There are many professors.....- There must be still other facts indicating that he is of interest. That was the main thing ~- because he taught students who in the future could work in the State Department, work in the Embassy, in AAR Kes DURGI. ‘in povernment service when they have finished school.’ €
104-10227-10004 7 | - caer oe | the American Enbassy in Moscow; that is, workine on Nuseian affairs A. Alricht. B, That is tho basic reason, JAY When and wio of these Live people you have named #= In this case, we weld focuse obéen Sion on KOZLOY and on you -- who first, fron where \ and under iia cireunstances, received information| on who he was and why ho was coming: B. I do. not remember this, I do not CEM this, I do not remember, usually, prior to the tourists arrival, | A, I am . talking about BURGI. _ I am not talising, about tourists in general -- we are talking only about. BURGE. Fe I B, I. do not remember. A. ((Pausc)) Well, who was the first to receive this information? I B. ((Pause)) I do not know; I do not know, : ‘ I will tell you how it is alotie generally, oe “4 A, I am talking to you about PBURGI. , ; i What is done usually ~- that is the usual thing, ( (Pause) ) . You personally recruited BURGI. B. Along with KOZLOV, I personally recruited BURGI. A. I want to establish preciscly += wno recruited BURGI. B. KOZLOV and ((8's surnanc)). A. Then, who was first. Reser aevere te CNRS Te DAD | PTET as Cat tee eFC ee:
104-10227-10004 ar ee Ry hO4LIVY, af course; he yin tho deputy chief at ba tes saa ERAGH C, Who handled the file on LURGIZ B. The collection of the matoersal was by case aeatcur ((R's a A, Well, alright, Sa a : : What was in this collection’ : B. A questionnaire (anketa). j A. What kind of a questionnairo: "~ oO , Tm Ee ae Et Be (1G). Tourist who is coming to the Soviet Union. ‘A, The qléstionnaire, |. re “What else was there anon; theso materinis: — - . Ss B, A notico from INTURIST. . ; : A, What kindof a’ notice: He, ' B. About his arrival, . : Before the arrival of the tourist -- notice that a tourist is : 2 supposed to come in third class, or in second class, a tourist =~ ; % for such-and-such a period of. time. . . : Such-and-such an itinerary before the tourist's arrival. in the - Soviet Union is already sct forth veforchand far INTURIST, * A. Then you received INTURIST'’s notice ahout the arrival of BUNGI; ‘ then; you have two documents in the collection of material -=- the. : notice of the arrival and the questionnaire. ®: What else: i B. I do not renenber; perhaps also an extract fron the cable that came ° fron the Enbassy -- that a visa had been given to a certain person.
104-10227-10004 - - _jort: on HunGr, St ene ronported ta FENLISGV, and Lt went further nlous amon the chiefa for vresolition «= to reerutt (Catm)). We mtill wi Ll po burn to this. Waku bated tate Ca the Gas foe Vnaat hind of network parttos vate. Unton What kind of avents worked on hin BB. Tae intorpreter from INTURIST, re eee ta A. But ho was not an agent. : a ; a oe , - c -B. “I do not remember, I do not: reneabor who ho was == an agent or a. trusted person,- to 3 z I do not remember. _ ag fy t : If I remembercd, I vould tell. - ; : oe - A, Is thie tho answer of the case officer who handled the BURGI case. | - OK m= there was the interpreter from INTURIST; but you do not know... je 1f he was un agent or not. EB ; / B. No =< that is not right; I simply do not renenber who. from INTURIST ee ne worked with him as an interpreter. - of ' A. I asked you: what kind of arents worked against BURGI when he was t , in the Sovict Union: - —— oS . : F 5 Your answer: was; there was an INTURIST interpreter, but you do not : : know. whether he was an-agent or not -— that is. your reply. , oe Who else participated in the case. — This was the first interpreter. - Who was the second: B. One of those who showed hin places which he visited. A. Well, name ((him)). B. 1 do not renember; I do not xrow,