f0d-t0004-10213 Pe yee ATID 9 July 1964 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD - SUBJECT .: Discussion with Warren Commission Staff Member REFERENCE: Letter from J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel of the . President's Commission, to Mr. Richard Helms . dated 3 July 1964 se “> SRfer_ diss Cessihs ath SLAW. Pal Vi 4 Taly elie “sforea. 2 winds. Ress, SIDA: DF URES ee Aas FC oes as [aes watt. Mi, a OSE fe du {7 With the Ayheir of C/SR and the DOP, I met with Mr. W. David Slawson of the staff of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy at 1406 hours on tris date in the Commission's offices at 200 Maryland Avenue, N.E., Washington, D.C. The purpose of this meeting was to discuss apparent inconsistencies in material provided the Commission by CIA and by the Departmen: of State which were called to our attention in a letter from the General Counsel of the Commission to Mr. Helms, dated 3 July 1964. a 2. By way of introduction, Mr. Slawson said that in the portion of the Commission's report that he was writing, he sould have to deal with the question of wheti.er or not the OSWALDs! departure from the USSR = and ‘the circumstances (i.e. timing) of that departure - were unusual or He expressed his belief that they probably were inthe post-Stalinera. — that our information was suspicious in any way. not and cited Savict relaxation in such matters However, he war.ted to be sure in his own mir not in conflict with that which the Commissior: had received from State’ since all of that information would remain in the records of the Commission. 3. After stating my belief that there was no real disagreement or inconsistency between the information from CLA and that from State, I expressed the view that the matter resolved itseif into three questions: = , fa. Do the Soviet : Document Number 167-36 4 ; 4 ; JUN 876 for FOIA Review on i. CS COPY. oA girstions. o
13-00000 a. Do the Soviet authorities normally permit Soviet “eltizens married ta forcign nationals to emigrate from the — Sovict Union to the homelands of their spouses? - ‘b. | Do they normally permit such Soviet citizens to accompany (i.e. depart 'simultanecously with) their spouses “_ - “G&S from the Soviet Union? . & c. How long does it take such Soviet citizens to get Soviet exit visas sor such a purpose (time lapse from application to granting of visas)? 4. Concerning the firat two questions Qa and 3b above) I pointed out . __-_ that we had addressed ourselves mainly to the question of Soviet citizens . being allowed to accompany their spouses abroad while State dealt only with the larger question of Sovicts married to foreigners being allawed to emigrate without reference to whether or not they left simultaneously with or at another time from their spouses. Mr. Slawson commented that this explanation was most helpful and he reread what both we and State had said in that light. 5. By way of further explanation, I said that the statements in paragraph 6 of our memorandum of 6 April 1964 concerning Soviets being permitted to accompany their foreign spouses abroad were based on a review of 26 cases, of which 10 involved Americans. . In only focr of these cases did a Soviet wife leave the USSR in the company of her foreign hasband; in 14 of the cases the foreign spouse departed alone; and in the remaining seven cases insufficient details are known to permit ug to categorize them. I added that although State's information began by citing the issuance of 724 quota and non-quota immigrant visas by the American Embassy in Moscow during the period FY 1954 to December 1963, it did not indicate how many of these visas were for Soviet citizens who had married U.S. nationals. Actually State provided detailed information for only sixteen cases and did not indicate in many of these whether or not the Soviet was permitted to accompany the foreign spouse. /6. In response to Lo SECRET
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13-00000 see, “e - . é -¢ -4 poh de oon 2G) ‘In three cases there was a lapse of of several nents: betsiben 1 appli . Ste. cation arid Issvance of the Soviet exit vice (five nonths in one case, six in the second, and rine in the third). In another case the ‘sestern e+ did. $e some aix xonths after the wedding only cecaise the coriet sutier~ , /iusband was reluctant to lezve the USSR without his Son) eh a . ities told hin that ber exit application eovld not be processed entdl hebad left, The visa was issued-only sbout six weeks after his de- " psrture, but it may have Leen applied fcr wien they were narried or at any time during the next six nonths. ° oo In four other cases it is possible +o infer asprexinats tim . . linits for the granting of an exit visa. Goe was granted within four | . Ohh oe gcemnen URBAN EOD culties eke wage mn.) to five montas, the secon within six te sever, xontns, the third witaia | i i nine months, and. the fourtn within eleven months. -In three additional cases visa +ssuance toce a minim of seven, eleven, acc twelve nontazs H respectively. t a { } ; :
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13-00000 stmt te no nto See eo A et see So ey ONL oaks Ot Ree Ne Se FO: ane we owes. emnmeenee = eee meme vee air oe q. A 7. _ . pee. . 1, Paragraph.6,0f our memorandum of 6 April 1964 was a - . ot 8 L ee | response to queation. 3 of your memorandum of 12 March 1964 exeitied: y Suestions Posed by State Department Files. That question read as follows: “At the time that L.H. OSWALD and M. OSWALD left ~ Russia for the United States was it legal and normal under Soviet law and practice for a Russian national married to an American te ve able to accompany him back to hie homeland? Was the vapidity «ith which L. H: OSWALD was able to accomplish this and Marina's return in : any way unusual? “* ” 2. Gur reply addreasca iteelf te the legality and normality of Soviet citizens accompa nying ie. s departing simultaneously with) foreign spouses out of the USSR. it was baeed ona review of 26 cases, of which 16 imvolved Americans, in which foreign nationals married Soviet citizens in the USSR. Ia only four of thease 26 eases, did tne Soviet wife leave the Soviec Union im the company of her-hueband. In one of these four cases, an Itallae Ceanmunist / Party member married Ve eee Oa eaten diet atta e+
13-00000 7 ia TAROT Ee. eed eeeeREETe sm LRM Som dee + rete enemy Vee ote etc cwadenntignerntststinraarogiab rene ie se eeuamamnal = — © cp eteaereeomareaphene «ste we Rn 1a AEE + ct et ee OND I + OY ot Het oa ee take ae eee cewe. a means | which involved a Swedish student who married a Soviet student and apparently . 6 April 1964. The material from bir. Meeker provides useful additional Pet) member married in the USSR and by prevatting vpon the ftalla Embaasy to hold up Iealfan visas for Soviet seamen, wae able to arrange for hie wife to accompany hten to Italy. In two more of the cases, an American met his future wife on & vieit to the USSR, married her ona subsequent trip, and - brought her back to the U.S. No detaiie are available on the fourth €abe, e “he : : ¢ brought her out with him. aad 3. In 14 of the remaining cases, a foreign husband (in one case a wife) Ul departed alone, In another case the wife preceded her huekand because he had beea Jalled a manth or two previously for violation of travel regulations and in 7 additional cases the sequence ig not known. . 4. The information in the third enclosure to Mr. Meeker's letter regarding length of Ume taken hy Soviet authorities to process visa applications %, of Soviet wives of American citizens substantially corresponds with the : conclusions which we expressed in paragraph 7 of our inemorandum of data _ . ' fregarding Soviet visas
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13-00000 Oe por. OO ROSE 88 em eke mes She ' ONO MRO mete eee me Mode # fem s@ Oho oe: em enrewt epeeehan se Maar eg i ste 4 —) GC Petia - het ata ae (epg te Whi Ape. tgp wnat i tin - cenaeliasie te- TXinn CA f Tate . | id -4- a res : - . e “er . | Fon ~ Aa . . ite?" . ~ ~~ o ‘ e ~th 4 e? s e « = a a ee ee i. er oe ns ary le: On > daly 1964, Mr, We David Slawsen and a representative ef * Cia diseussed the question ef apparent ineensigtemetes in aaterial proe- vided the Cenmissien by CIA and by the Dezartuent, ef State, At that time the question was resolved to Mr. Slawzen's sztisfaction, ad it was agreed that CIA vould furnish a statistieal breakdew ef the eases en whiek CIA based the stetenents in parasraph 7 ef its meneranccm of 6 April 196k. 2. Paragraph 7 ef the 6 April menerartux addressed iteelf to the legality and nernelity of Soviet citizens departing the USSR simultane eeusly with their foreign spouses. Statenents were based cn a review of 26 eases (ten Anvolving ssortesse) bn whiten fereign mations marvied Servlet eitizens in the USSR. In enly three ef these 26 cases did the. Soviet wife leave tho USSR in the company of ber tmsbend. In two ef the eases an smeriean net his future wife en a visit te the Seviet Unien, married her en a subsequent trip, ad breughkt her beek te the U.S. Me details are available on the third case, witeh imvelved a Swedish student whe married a Seviet student and apperently brought her ont wits him, In ry t?
13-00000 . parted alerie. In one siere ef the 235 the wife preceded her husband beeause he had’been jailed a menth er tes previessly fer Vielation ef . travel regulations, and In the seven ether esses the sequence is not knewne 36 The information in the third enslesure to Hr. Meeker's letter , regarding length of time teken by SerSst extherities te precess visa eS one a applications éf Soviet wives of Jeeriean citizens substantially corres~ ponds with the conclusiens whieh we expressed ia paragraph 7 ef tha our sears aa ew be 6 April menerandum, In eleven ef the % eases, this tina peried is knewn fairly definitely er can be infexred, In three eases it tock from Ae: ts dee base % ; _ : five to nine months. Inferring ia the ether eight cases, three took .. - sbeut efx months, two more were issued in net mare than nine to eleven  ftagaicd nenths, and three tesk a xinimm ef seven te twelre months. Apparent inconsistencies between thése statistics ani these provided by the State a Departaent undoubtedly arise from a difference im appreach by the State Department and CIA.
13-00000 . ~ “a. . , we 3 . = me = B4 ore ~~ rz ¥ ° . wv" te : ra - . ° : Bet . # . : af? @ da three eases there wae a Lepore ef several, mentha between. * : applisatien and isecanse of the Soviet exit visa (five months in ene ee ~ ease, efx tin the second, ex! nine Im the third). In anether ease the Ee €14 se seme six manths after tee wedding enly beeause the Seviet A i t i i ? a i } | { | | H gutherities teld him that her exit emplication eculd net be precessed H 3 until he hed left. The wisa was feswed only about six weeks after his i éeparture, but it may Rave beam agglfed fer when they were married or : at any tine during tee next six eextie. a In four other cases it 1% peosfhile te infer approximate tine lixits fer the granting ef om exft vise. Ome was granted within four to five nouths, the second within six to sew menths, the third within nine months, and the fourts witain elewm meaths, In three additional cases vise isevanee teek « miniuze ef sever, eleven, and twelve wenths rege peetively. Me TU At nee: IRA pA MnaphlS ApeReES aneee comets ae ee LEN I oe BRAS . -
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