doa 2 202% (202) 55-2345 ery Ch P.c. REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHINGTON, Su, ts con x - a] _ co ind oF HY 50955 Docld: 32263411 Page i234 119 Miss. Brady. At ahy time?~: Mr. Angleton. No. I want to explain the Hunt business. i One of the things that this Joe Trento, the reporter, gave out | i t that he learned form this Committee, he put it that he learned! from the Committee that they had a memorandum between. myself and Dick Helms to the effect that I wrote a memo to Dick say~ ing that Howard Hunt was in Dallas at the time of the assassi-; nation and I was suggesting or proposing a cover-up. Miss Brady. To whom? Mr. Angleton. To Helms. Now, when I was called before | the Watergate Committee I was challenged about soom such and what they were talking about. I determined that that is where, all the Watergate people were hanging about, Hunt. | 4 ] | | such in the Executive Office Building. I didn't even know | | i I kept getting all these threatening telephone calls from Seymour Hirsch of the New York Times and all of that. I i { ' couldn't honestly understand what they were talking about until ) the whole Hunt thing hit the fan and they arrested Hunt and so on. “os Then a journalist came to me and tole me that there was ~ in inspector Bast, he called himself Inspector Bast, who is. | supposed to be a well to.do man, a lawyer of some sort, a private investigator in McLean, and he had invited Colson to his. swimming pool and that he had a hidden microphone in the shrubbery and that Colson told him that Angleton had recruited
46 120 Hunt and was running Hunt in the White House as his agent and that Hunt reported to Angleton daily. I | | 3 Bast was reported to have this tape recording which he | & 4 | made known to this journalist. The journalist was going to : a 2 3 | print all of this. a . : : Miss Brady. When was this? During the Watergate period? & Z | Mr. Angleton. Sometime maybe a little after or during. z 3 | So I laughed at this fellow and told him, I said "That is just. ; 5 ; about as crazy as’ anything I have ever heard." I said, "If | : tg you pursue that", I told him, "vou will be exposed on this.” z iy : nS I never met Howard Hunt in. my life." i 2 7 He was arrested on a Firday or Saturdy. The first work- | ; r | : al ing day I asked the Office of Security to supply me with eight | , = ta | by ten photos of his security badges.- In our organization : 4 you go to hundreds of meetings without knowing all the people.: = el It is part of the compartmentation, if you would like. there- = a fore, I had to be doubly sure because the newpaper picture of : : 7 Hunt “was about this big and you coulén't get any features out | ¢ ro | So, when they showed me the photographs, I had never 7 seen Hunt in my life. - i The curious thing here, and I never explained it to the ! press or anytobyd, is the fact that my Deputy's name is: Jim , | Hunt and I just let them go along, since they started the myth, we i let them live with it. But Jim Hunt being retired and playing. | od + HW 50955 DocId: 32263411 Page 125
47 121 gol£, I saw no reason to give an explanation and ruin the 19th’ hole so to speak. ho i t } i ! | a2 the things he also said to me at that time was, "Has Hunt ye | So, when Trento called me at the Army-navy Club, one of been in touch with you?" Again he is on that same Colson-Bast ° t ' . j : et cetera, route as the others. cae tn gg en eee te : . Miss Brady. So it is fair to say, apart from whatever was made known publicly about the Watergate incident, you had | aa > | no independent knowledge of Hunt's activities with the Agency?! | Q Mr. Angleton. No. Later when he was picked up, yes, I | called for his file and read his file. I might also add that | +4 | I feel quite honestly that the man has suffered a great deal, i: mean a very great deal, the death of his wife and all the | things he went through and tragedies and trying to put his life back to gether again with all. these character assassins still running after him. He paid his:price. So I ama little sympathetic with the fellow without even knowing him. | “Miss Brady: Was there ever really any Agency document about Hunt's whereabouts on November 22, 1963? ad | ann Vt STRENT, SoU, REPORTERS BUTLDING, HASUTHGTON, D.C. 20024 (202) 654-2345 rae said, Hung didn't mean a thing to me until after the Watergate a eee | | | Mr. Angleton. I don't remember any suca thing. As I | 7 i Miss Brady. Do you have any knowledge of the pre-Bay of Pigs operation called "Operation -40?" i 44 Mr. Angleton. By that name? What is it about? | ze Miss Brady. Another one of the anti-Castro groups
4&8 122 = ; involving some of the anti-Castro groups down in the Miami area. bb - Mr. Angleton. No. |: 4 | and Miami? Are you talking about the Domestic Branch? We | had what is called Domestic Operations which was on the overt 1 Miss Brady. Targets and operations against Cuba, you ! E a had no knowledge of that? | | . : 7 Mr. Angleton. I may have at some time or another but | E "| you have to keep in mind that the Counterintelligence Staff z z | Was not involved, that the Special Group on Cuba had its own | ; | liaison with the FBI and their own counterintelligence. In | : 1g other words, I loaned them or gave them one man in particular | : 7 whom I know who was fluent. in Spanish, and he ceased to be a | 2 1 member of my, iIomean, he was taken off my rolls and trans~ Ee Z 4 i ferred to them. | : 14 ' | “He was one of the principal counterintelligence people. | : 3 | Then later on, when Harvey was running it, he had another one ! a \ = te | of my men, but they were severed from the CI Staff and inte- ! = | gratéd within that. | ! af _. In other words, they allegedly had.their own counter- : 4 | Intettigence capabitiey built into the Task Force. g ‘a | | Miss Brady. What is the extent, if we ean call if, of “a counterintelligence in Miami and New Orleans during 1 | 6 fel 2} the early sixties? : - 2! Mr. Angleton. Domestic counterintelligence in New Orleans. Gl | HW 50955 Docld:322963411 Page 127 ALDEMSON RESORTING COMPAR
49 123 | side of the house. | . . . . . : | Miss Brady. I am asking more in particular if there were} 3 any covert activities that you were aware of? | | 4 | Mr. Angleton. No. The only people who had that capa- Es 5) bility « would be the Office of Security which had I think people ‘| under cover. g | Miss Brady. So if there were domestic operations you. 5S a are saying the Office of Security would have been in charge of ‘ 7 them? é . / = ise) Mr. Angleton. They would not have run operations there. | ‘They had people under cover for investigative purposes, . personnel and security checks. I mean applicants, field security checking. . Miss Brady. Was either Counterintelligence or the Office i] { i i of Security aware of Castro G-2 operatives in the Miamia area?) dae REPORTERS BUTLDENG, VASHTHC ry | 18 Have tthey been identified? : A 17 Mr. Angleton. What period are we talking about? | : a Miss Brady. The early sixties again. | = 7 Mr. Angleton. That would have been the jurisdiction of | ¢ 29 | the code name J.M. WAVE outfit who had direct liaison with | | : | nee 2! the Miami field office of the FBI. i ‘Miss Brady.. Was J. M. WAVE a separate component or was |: it run out of another office? ad Gre communications for that entire task force based in Miami. he Ay Av rep hwnd BSStgoOM REPORT. NG COMeP4SLY . 7 Obes woes) oe 2 O53 Sea et ! i i | | e # i Mr. Angleton. I think J. M. WAVE was the code name on { HW 50955 Docld:32263411 Page 128
124 Miss Brady. Did you at any time have any knowledge of any contact by Oswald with the Cuban G-2 in either New Orleans or Miami? i dad Mr. Angleton. None. be = B Miss Brady. Now you mentioned a Domestic Intelligence 2 4 | Office, is that how you phrased it? i . ~ : | Ss 7h Mr. Angleton. Yes. It had different names. It was once a 2} .called "OO". I can't remember what that means. - Anyway, it = “ i . . . i i 3; Was a collection part of the Directorate of Intelligence, - ‘o | which means that it was not a part of the Clandestine Services S i = 1; | but of the Deputy for Intelligence. S| It was a domestic so that it did not work clandestinely. | : | i es : : = i . . . . @ = 2 4 Its offices were in the telephone directory of the major ; ‘= is ; Cities where they were located and its basic thing was to s 1 Se , 5 ved interview Americans who had been behind the Curtain. It was 2 i . B | . ‘ . = is | a vacuum cleaner so to speak of every kind of human being they ~ i : ; : id msl a 7 | had the manpower to interview, and they did some very good : mt | work. = i vy : a “< | 1 OP ‘t : OSS | Se ll: 6 52 aa aLOSASOM az BW 50955 Bocld: 32263411 Page 129 3
is fols mhl' : 3 - of James Angle- ton ~ @:. 1978 be aan O. 20624 (P42) Sen-2445 4 1 On TOU, 7 a AUELDING, CASELTEC Qty REPORPEES - = fa Koos in =~ o oad Ne) in its entirety? 125 j Mr. Goldsmith. We were discussing the manuscript that you obtained from Win. Scott's residence in Mexico City shortly after his death. Do you recall whether Winn Scott's pen name was Ian Maxwell? Mr. Angleton. How do you spell the first name? Mr. Goldsmith. Ian. Mr. Angleton. I think it was, at least from the books that he published. Mr. Goldsmith. Did you read through that manuscript Mr. Angleton. I read it in its entirety but my problem; is that there was more than one draft, but I read it pretty thoroughly at one stage. - Mr. Goldsmith. Do you recall if it contained a chapter whcih discussed lee Harvey Oswald's visit to Mexico City? Mr. Angleton. No, r Aon't recall that. In fact I didn't. know there was a chapter on it. Mr. Goldsmith. Let me show you what we have obtained from the Agency by virtue of a committee request for materials, that were obtained from Mr. Scott's safe or residence after his death. This is a chapter from a manuscript. It is fairly long. . Mr. Angleton. Is it a part of the book? Mr. Goldsmith. Well, I only have one chapter here. It says Chapter 24 from a draft manuscript of "The Foul Foe," a praLrr cA pm wm ng 6 wet IMG OSE ay
ey Leey re dag 202) 954-2385 a 2) hoc. 24094 7 wi ~e rd we [ee) KREPORPREES BUPLDUNG, GASHTHGTON, Cory < Lond anh ° oe ae HW 50955 Docld 232263411 Page 131 ‘126 book which purports to be an account of the writer's career in intelligence, I have no way of knowing one way or another t t i ( whether this was included in the material that you actually read. But I would like to ask you to review those materials | now. For the record the CIA number starts with 11112364 and it ends at 11112371. Please take five or ten minutes to read | through that. 7 | Mr. Angleton. This as far as I know I have never seen. I don't recall seeing this. _ Mr. Goldsmith. Is it possible that this was among the materials that you obtained hut simply that you 4id not review | it at that time? H H ! 4 i H { Mr. Angleton. You see, the copies that I saw were before | the Xerox. they were what you call thermofaxes. Has this been i retyped from something? ee Mr. Goldsmith. This is not the original or anything. Maybe Mr. Berk can shed some light. Mr. Rerk. It was contained in the files. There were other copies of this manuscript in somewhat edited versions. This seems to be the final form. : i Mr. Angleton. Were the documents in the files thermofaxed? Mr. Berk. I am not versed in the distinction between thermofax and Xerox. Mr. Angleton. Thermofax is a special kind of paper, very | : 5 dark. i
HY =z 72; Mr. Goldsmith. This particular chapter I asked you to re ~ Hf . . = 4 | €@iscusses Oswald's Mexico City trip; is that correct? 5 ig | . Mr. Angleton, This is not the style of the manuscript. = it | wen OEE i = isi Mr. Goldsmith. The manuscript you reviewed? = et ~ if a i Mr. Angleton. It is not in his style because. he was 2 i2 | writing a more novel type of style. = - Mr. Goldsmith. I understand that and I really don't .. = # | intend to dwell upon that manuscript since that is different —_ ol grom what I have apparently shown you today. ys Mr. Angleton. Although the title there must be the same “| one that he had on the manuscript. Would you read that title “i again? | ao Mr. Duncan. "The Foul Foe." i , AAS A ee SeGget f ALDSESSOM REZFORTING COMPSAY 50955 Docld:32263411 Page 132 Me Ld a? E Se? Bee Se Gon is=3 127 Mr. Berk, No, it was not thermofax. 2 Mr. Angleton. It is a heat treatment thing so that ! 3 | unless you are using the original you have a very poor copy and | it is very hard to make a thermofax from a thermofax. | E s Mr. Berk. The paper itself is dark? : 5 5 | Mr. Angleton. Yes. I mean it is dark by having gone _ i E | through the heat process, you don't get a sharp black and wnitd 2 7 Mr. Berk. It did not seem to be that type. | : 3 Mr. Angleton. I picked up an awful lot of materials there : ee as : CASHTRGTON , it |) she would cooperate a 100 hundred percent. The thing comes back to me that I also arranged for the Chief of Mission to be able to see Mrs. Scott after~ards and she sai ' a i t i I dq t f 5 i t
128 , 4 | | Mr. Angleton. that rings a bell as heing the title of | the book. / Mr. Goldsmith. Let me tell you that the committee has | every intention of reviewing this in more detail. This was weed wa it : ~ " | just made available to us very recently. In any event the chapter ° 5 | that you just read discusses Oswald's trip to Mexico City, is m ~ that correct? SY Mr. Angleton. Yes. ooo 8 _ | = Mr. Goldsmith. Does it appear to you, based upon your | = | knowledge of the case, to be an accurate reflection of the ge i = ill = 4 events that took place in Mexico City when Oswald visited there =: jin 1963? ! = 3 , : on & = Mr. Angleton. I can't say that I necessarily have the same Fe . | picture from reading all that. My memory of headquarters, it | fe 4 i = rs i . i = i reads very much like Scott in terms of the actions that he pa Hi . . : = 16 y ~ / took and his feelings. : dl : nm tt ~ Mr. Goldsmith. This then does not strike you as a fictional s | account? : = 33] * | Mr. Angleton. No. | Mr.:.Goldsmith. When Mrs. Scott gave these materials to Zo | you to bring back to the Agency or for you to arrange for ; ~ | the material to be sent back to the Agency did she in effect | imake those materials a gift to the Agency? Was she giving e | them all to the Aqency? as il ; . Mr. Angleton. As I remember it there was no dispute. Fd ALQERSON REPORTING COMPANY HW 50955 Bocld:32263411 Page 133