6/27/67 4 AIRTEL ; TO: DIRECTOR, FBI (G2-109060) << , ye ROM: SAC, CHICAGO (62-6115) fe ewe SULdECT: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY 31/22/63, Dallas, Toxas ASSAULTING OR KILLING A PEDERAL OFFICER . Enclosed for the Bureau are three copies each of a gell-oxplanatery confidential ropert and additional information portaining to captioned matter, two copies exch of the report atid information are enclosed for the Dallas and New Grleans Divisions. - . 2 = The evclesed information was made available by PCI LEOMLRD SIARREL SON on 6/26/67, on an oxtromely confidential basis. Beisurged that under no circumstances should his identity be davgigedias a source of this information and extrene caution bé @xergised in any use of this information so as not to in any wage olate the confidential rolationship between PCI and those named 78 the enclosed material. > Due to the sensitive and conZidential nature of the enclosed information and PCI's unquestioned valuo to the Chicago Division, this information is net being submitted in a forn Suiteble for dissemination and is submitted for tnaformation purposes only, Burcau (Ene. 6) tir Balias (89-43) (and. 4). ee Wew Orleans (Ene. 4).: Chicago Wi GA S So pe ye ata Lik: om J (3) p. op HW 54462 DoclId: 327319411 Page 2?
On June 22, 1967, L. H. Harrelson, ina telephone conversation with a con- fidential source in New Orleans, Louisiana, obtained the following iniormation with regard to Perry Russo. . This informant, who is well known to L.H.H. and who is a polygraph examiner having been trained at the Keeler Polygraph Institute, stated that Perry Russo was — prarined by another polygraph examiner with the Sheriff's Office in New Orleans nd that he had heard that the Sheriff's Office examiner stated that Russo was lying regarding the story of the plot to assassinate the late John F. Kennedy. ~ (tenis informant also advised L.H.H. that Perry Russo had been subjected to arco-interrogation, using sodium pentathol and that he had further been subjected \ hypno-interrogation. He stated that a local psychiatrist subsequently blasted istrict Attorney Garrison for using these two techniques and suggested that Russo should be examined on the polygraph which should be more reliable.. This informant —stated that he received a call requesting him to examine Russo in regard to his | |Lhory. He stated that he was told that Russo wanted to meet him first to see what i" -ind of a person he was. . | L| He stated that he made an appointment and met Russo for the first time Friday, June 16, 1967. He stated that at this time he talked for a while and Russo requested fe he be given a trial run on the polygraph and that he wanted to be asked 10 or 20 \ uestions and intended to lie to some of them to see if the examiner could detect \ The source stated that he instead had Russo write down a number on a piece of \ aper and place it in his pocket. He stated that he then made Russo a bet of $5, 00 hat he could pick out the number, He further stated that Russo called the bet, the _ test was run and the examiner picked out the number. He stated that Russo appeared in his office on June 19, 1967 to be examined in re- gard to his story reporting the plot to assassinate the late John F. Kennedy. He stated that he attempted to examine Russo but that hisPnheumo tracing (breathing) was so erratic that he reported to D.A. Garrison that he felt Russo was an unfit subject for polygraph testing at this time. He further stated that he did talk with Russo about his tracing and explained to him that he obviously had something bothering him. He stated Russo told him that he told the story in court because he _Wwas getting so much pressure from D.A. Garrison and also NBC. He stated that * Russo further made the statement to him that he did not know if Clay Shaw was ‘»present at the meeting or not. He stated that Russo added that if he had to say ‘ "yes" or "no" that he would have to say "no" that Clay Shaw was not presant. bo HW 54462 Docld:32319411 Page 3
ee | e | . an 7 O Page 2 This examiner stated that he asked Russo why he went into court and under oath - stated that Shaw was present at the alleged meeting. He stated that Russo replied that he fully intended to go into court and testify that he did not know if Shaw was present or not but became angered by Shaw's attorney's question, 'Do you believe ‘in God" and afterwards did testify that Shaw was definitely present. This informant stated that Russo admitted having undergone psychiatric treatment for one and one-half years. He stated that Russo admitted to homosexual acts. his informant stated that he‘fully believes that he would have been able to break Russo had he continued. He stated that after giving a verbal report to Mr. Garrison. that Mr. Garrison told him in no uncertain terms to keep his mouth shut and not to gay anything about the test or what Russo said. This informant further stated that is official written report to Mr. Garrison is going to indicate that in his opinion Russo was an unfit subject on } Monday, June 19, 1967. —_ The erratic breathing pattern that was described by this informant can indicate claustrophobia, however, in all of the experience that I have had in conducting on that the sub ject is heing deceptive. mad ‘a examinations, an erratic breathing pattern as a general gule is an indica- . ed < HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 4
if a # 9816 - 6&7 June 21, 1967 Lex Hawkins, Attorney at Law &36e842 Fifth Avenue Y? Moines, Iowa ARRANCEMENTS: t your request, LILLIE MAE MC MAINES was examined on the polygraph, a cetection of deception technique. (PROCEDURE: ancard polygraph procedure was exercised. throughout this examination. LESULTS: ubject was examined in this office on June 19, 1967. She was given a Relevant and Irrelevant type examination for the purpose of ascertaining if she possessed _ any knowledge of an alleged meeting in Dave Ferric's home wherein there was verbal intercourse relating to a plot to assassinate the late John F. Kennedy. During the pre-test interview, the Subject stated that she was bora Lillic Mae ; moifett on October 22, 1944, in Lucedale, itississippi. She stated that her real \\fletses died when her younger sister was born and that she was raised by one of er father’ 6 cousins, James Moffett, and his wife Ethel. She referred to these pee sle as her parents. She stated that she was raised near Mobile, Alabama. he said that she does not know whether or not James and Ethel Moffett ever adopted her. Subject stated that she is presently married to Harold MeMaines, aged 38 years. She said that he does not have a regular job and works out of an “employment . oifice" in Omaha, Nebraska, as a truck driver and as 2 furniture mover. The Subject stated that ever since she was old enough to underctand and remember, her "mother" constantly told her that her older sister Certruce, who lived in New Orleans, Louisiana, was “a traimp and no good." She stated that these statements < HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 5
ne - * > we ae Page 2 Mr. Hawkins _ ee . ° ‘June 21, (1967 . RE: Lillie Mae McMaines RESULTS (cont'd): | - finally caused her to run away from home in 1962 and proceed to New Crleans to locate her sister Gertrude. She said that she just had to find out if her sister was really ''bad." During six hours of interview and interrogation, the Subject gave the following information regarding her stay in New Orleans, her return to Mobile, Alabama, a then on to San Bernadino, California, then back to New Orleans, then to Omaha, Nebraska, and finally to Des Moines, Iowa. ubject stated that when che first went to New Grileans she decided to use the | name Sandra Moffett. She explained that she had been In New Orleans ior approx- 4 imately three weeks before her sister permitted her to go out “on the town" by erseli. She said that the first night she went out alone she met Perry Russo. | ae he said that the meeting occurred about 10: 30 P.M. as she was walking down _ Mh bourbon Street and that Perry Russo, 'Ken,"' Lefty Peterson and "Timuiy" were 4iso walking along Bourbon Strect. She related that as they passed on the street, immy winked at her and she siniled. She continued that they all stopped on the sidewalk and talked, She said that during this conversation, Perry Russo volun- Bi eered to drive her home. She continued that she, Perry Russo, lefty, Ken and ‘Timmy all got into Perry's car and proceeded to drive toward her sister's home where she was staying but. they stopped on the way ior coffee and gasoline. She said that Perry Russo asked her if she would go to school with him the following morning and she replied to him at she would go with hirn provided her sister would permit her to do so. She continued that Perry Russo stopped by the house the following morning tut her sister would not permit her to go with him but her sister did agree that she could attend a | party that was being given for Ken Wink that night. ’ Subject stated that that party was held at a place called the Frenchman's Inn. She said that Perry was supposed to pick her. up at.8:00 P.M. but he was late because it was raining hard. Sne said that she and Perry arrived at the party at approxi- mately 9:00 P.M. : The Subject stated that she and Perry continued to cate until the early part of 1963. . She said that she became pregnant and aiter she told Perry that che was pregnant he told her to “get lost" ‘until aiter the: baby was born and then she should look him_ "* ap again. HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 6
Page3S - Mr. Hawkins ne a June 21, 1967 | RE: Lillie Mae McMaines RESULTS (cont'd): The Subject stated that when she first told Perry Russo that she was pregnant, a man (unknown to her) placed Perry in a hypnotic trance and questioned him.- . She said that while in the trance, Perry acknowledged that he was the father of _ her yet unborn baby. She said that Perry later denied that he was the father. She went on to explain that she, Perry, and the unknown "hypnotist" (she ces-— ptibed his age as between 40 and 50 years) went to a place called the Royal Castle and, while there, this unknown "hypnotist" again placed Perry ina hypnotic trance. She said that he did not question Perry at this tirne but gave rink a post-hypnotic suggestion, When I snap my fingers you will awaken, get ofi the stool, walk to the door and then return to the stool where you will freeze in your tracks and will be unable to move." She said that when the man snapped 1is fingers, Perry opened his eyes, got off the stool, walked to the door and (i hen turned and walked back to the stool. She said that Perry stood by the stool — nd went through what appeared to be attempts at moving his body but he did not ctually move. She added that, in her opinion, Perry was faking his inability to move while standing by the stool. t regnant) was a very short time later and she spent about one-hali hour talking with him in his home. She said that when she ceparted his home, a friend of his named "Fido" knocked her down on the lawn, hit her in the stomach with his fist, _ and made the comment, "Why don't you leave him alone?" She explained that she screained loudly when struck by Fido hoping that Perry would come outside but _ fpe did not. She said that Fido went into Perry's honie after knocking her down nd striking her. She said that as soon as she regained her sense of direction, . she got up and went home. os . . ’ i said that the next time she saw Perry (after telling him that she was I The Subject stated that when she was about three months pregnant, she attempted suicide by taking 175 aspirin. She said that a girl friend named Kathy founs her and took her to the Charity Hospital in New Orleans by taxicab. She said that her stomach was pumped at the hospital and she said that the hospital notified the _ police departinent but her girl friend Kathy talked the oificer out.of teking her to jail. a , HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 7
Page 4: ir. Hawkins June 21, 1967 RE: Lillie Mae McMaines RESULTS (cont'd): Subject stated that when she was about four months pregnant, she married a Frank Adams in Dallas, Texas. She did not tell the circumstances surrounding | a divorce from Adams. The Subject stated that when she was between 15 and 16 years ‘of age, her ‘snother" took her toa psychiatrist because she had run away from home. She aid that she visited the psychiatrist about four times but she did not know what he reported about her. — ubject related that she. gave birth prematurely on August 30, 1963. She said that she was released fror the hospital on September 3rd or 4th, 1963. She said that she went to Perry Russo's house the day following her release from the oo hospital but she cid not see or talk with him again until June or July of 1964, bubject then related how Perry Russo photographed her on several occasions while she was engaging in the act of coitus with different men. She explained that Perry had his own dark room and developed the pictures himself. . Subject then related that she anda girl named Anna vis sited her baby in the hospital requently. She further stated that her "parents" came from Alabama to New Orleans and also visitec the baby in the hospital. Subject continued that her baby was released from the hospital on September 20, 1963, and on this same date she left New. Crleans with a James Robert Ervin Russo had introduced her to him). She said that the two of them and the baby went by bus to her “parents’" home. She gave her "parents" address as Box 326 in Eight Mile, Alabama and she said that this town is located near Mobile. She went on to explain that Jarnes Robert Ervin was unable to find employment in Mobile and so he went to el Orleans and obtained a job in an establishment called Little Crystal Cafe. She said that this establishment is. located on Royal Street in New Orleans. She said that Jimmy worked and stayed in New Orleans during the weék and he would hitchhike to her "parents" home in Eight Mile, Alabama, over the weekends... . HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 6
Page 5 an Mr. Hawkins _ June 21, 1967 RE: Lillie Mae McMaines RESULTS (cont'd): Subject stated that she and Jimmy leit Eight 3 Mile in February of 1964 (leaving the baby with her 'mother'') and they went to San Bernadino, California, where they stayed with an aunt of hers. She said that from the time she left New Orleans to go to Eight Mile and then to California, she did not make | one trip, to New Orleans. vubject related that she and Jimmy went through a wedding ceremony in Tiajuana, ‘Mexico, in June of 1964, She continued that Jimmy left her the latter part of this same month. She said that the day after Jimmy leit her, she went to New rleans by bus. ¢ AY Subject related that when she arrived in New Orleans, she called Perry Russ nd he came to the bus cepot and drove her and her personal belongings to his orne, She said that she spent the night in Perry's apartment and then the followe mg day she rented a room for herself. She said that aiter she rented tae room, dhe went job hunting and she met James Robert Ervin onthe street. She said that they. decided to live together again, She said that she did obtain a jobas a Pe She said that she and Jimmy lived together for only one week and he | gain walked out on her, She said that he leit on July 3, 1964, _ The Subject said t that she then turned to prostitution 23 @ means of supporting herseli and incorder to save up enough money to get her baby back from her "mother." She further explained that she gave Perry Russo "around a hundred dollars" to keep for her but he never. gave it back to her. She said that on one ther occasion, she loaned Perry ‘$20. CO to use to pay his insurance but he did ot repay this money either, __ ne The Subject stated that the first time she met Dave Ferrie was in either the latter part of January of the first part of February of 1965. She explained that she was with Perry Russo and he wanted to see Dave Ferrie about something and so the two of them. went to Dave's apartment. She said that Perry introduced her to Ferrie and his two roommates. She said that they stayed at Dave's apartment for only a few minutes and they leit. , HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 9
a 5 : ae) : . a“ Page 6- Myr. Bawkins June 21, 1967 REY Lillie Mae McM jaines RESULTS (cont'd): -The Subject said that the next time. she saw Dave Ferrie was less thana week after first meeting him and was ona Sunday. She explained that Dave invited ‘her to his apartment for lunch with hirn and his two roommates, She said that Dave picked her up at her place ina blue Ford station wagon and they arrived at Dave's apartment at approxim ately 12:30 0r 1:00 P.M. She said that she stayed t this apartment until about 5:30 ‘Ps M. at which time he drove her back to her lace. ubject said that she next saw Dave Ferrie on the following Wednesday or Fhursday when he carne by Sam's place where she was-employed. She said that Dave asked her if she would go out with him the following F riday night. eaid that on this Friday night, Dave pick ked her up at her ‘apartment about 6:00 or 6:30 P.M. and they first proceeded to Dave's apartment whers one i Dave's roommates and his date wére waiting. She said the four of them then Spee ts several places to dance and drink but they did not have dinner The Subject emphatically denied ever mecting Shaw or Oswald. She said that she Bi never attended a party at Dave Ferrie's house. She stated that she had never been 0 a football game but she did attend basketball and baseball | games with Perry Kusso and Lefty Peterson. . The Subject ata ted that Perry Russo was eo: stremely interested in politics. She -said that he was a Republican and a strong advocate and backer of Goldwater. Ware Subject stated that she attended a political meeting with Perry Russo and three other men but she could not be sure of their mames. She related that the meeting was held in a big house on Canal Street in either April or May of 1965, said that she and three men stayed ina back room of the house and watched | "television. She said that she did not sec all of the people at the meeting. She said that she did not hear anyone speaking Spanish nor did she see any S Spanish, Cubans or Puerto Ricans at this mecting. , The Subject « commented that ‘Lefty Peterson is "off upstairs" but is a good guy otherwise, < HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 10
Mr. I tawkins a | June 21, 1967 | RE: Lillic Mae McMai nes RESULTS (cont'd): - The Subject explained that Perry Russo habitually made aotes about everything. She saic that he made notes ef things he nad to do, the times he was supposed to be somewhere, and places he had to go. She said that Perry told her he rnade. notes of everything because he was so busy that he cid not want to forget anything. The Subject explained that on one occa sion she went to Perry's house and Mike Witzgerald was there. She said that Mike told her that he had just found Perry inthe bathroom with his wrists all slashed up and that he had tried to cornmit peers: She said that she then left and did not see Perry. The Subject stated that when Perry first introduced her to Jimmy Ervin, he _ Suggested they all so to Jimmy's apartment and he would like to make photographs fher and Jimmy engaging in coitus. She said that a girl friend of hers named Jeannie became very angry with Perry. when he made this suggestion. She said hey did not £0. The Subject stated that the most men she ever engaged ia sexual intercourse with, one immediately following the other, would be two. She said that these were two B men she hustled when she was working acs a prostitute. She related that she hustled one man one night and he went into the bathroom after undressing. She said that she locked him in the bathroom, took $120.00 frors his pocket and ran | outofthe room. She stated that on one occasion Perry wanted to photograph her and. 6 girl named Kathy engaged ina sex act together but she said that someone came in unexpectedly and the act was never consummated. | The Subject related that two investigators from District Attorney Garrison's office came to her home in the middle of the night of March 8, 1967, in Omaha. She said that. they requested her to leave immediately with them and return to. New Orleans for the purpose of looking at some photegraphs. She said that they told her that they did not know what the photographs were. She continued that she told therm that she could not leave then because she had a ceat and other clothing in the cleaners. She said that these two rien, Simmis and Jonah, told her not to worry---+they would buy her some new clothes. She said that they further told her that she would stay in the finest hotels and eat the finest foods. HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 11
Page 8°” : | po Mr. Hawking —_ June 21, 1967 an RE: Lillie Mae MeMaines RESULTS (cont'd): oe a She continued that her husband (Hayvold MeMaines) spoke up and. stated that he did not want to let her go and that he wanted to consult with an attorney. She’ gaid that the two investigators then offered to buy a tichet for her husband also. She said that after her husband insisted on taliing with an attorney first, the two investigators told her husband not to consult with an attorney because she raight get hurt Uf be cid and they wanted to kecp everything quiet. She said - that they did leave however. oo I Oo The Subject explained that she told this entire stary toa reporter named Ziramerman with the World-Herald in Omaha. She said t pat after the story appeared in print she and her husband beth lost their jo ors he went on to relate that the reporter Zimmerman told her that she needed a attorney and arranged for her to meet attorney Lex Hawkins. The Subject was givea four separate tests and was asked the following relevant . questions and gave the answers indicated: SS Farge [ = irst Test:  aeneeeens | €. Do you have any intention of trying to ie to me during this test? A. No. Q. Have you told me the complete truth since we have been talking? A, Yes. QM. Did you attend the party at Ferrie's home that Perry claims you attended? A. N 2% Did you ever meet Shaw? A. No. Q. Are you deliberately trying to withhold any information from me regarding the party? A. No. - Second Test: Q. Have you told nie the complete truth } here today? A. Yes. Q. Did you attend the party Perry says you did? A. No. Q. Are you trying to withhold any information from me regarding this case? A. No. | | 54462 DoclId:32319411 Page 12
- \ . —_— md aan : Se C . oo Ne, 4 - - . Page 9° Ny. Hawkins June 21, 1987 | " RE: Lillie Mac MeMaines. oulic to Mr. Hawkias at all? A. Yes, , Q. Did Perry ever tell you that the President was going to be assassinated ? A. N 2, Did. you go to the party at Dave's house that Perry says youdid? A. No. Mo Are you attempting to protect or cover up for anyone? A. No. 3, .Are you trying to hold back any information from me now? A. No. p tb par < fourth Test: AY D (A 4. llave you told me the complete truth here today? A. Yes. a li Would you lie if it would help ‘you stay out of jail? A. Yes. . > Vare you ever present when any people talked about assassinating the a President? A. No. . 4 Is Perry telling the truth about you attending the party? A. No. . Are you attempting to withhold any iaformation frora rine now? A, No. ae Have you purposely lied to any of my questions? A. No. - . w) CJ — the first three tests, her polygrams contained reactions to the relevant | question: ‘Are you trying to withhold or conceal any information from me?" Following the third test, she explained that she suspects Perry Russo might be "a litthe queer" for Mike Fitzgerald. There was not a reaction to the question fe the test following this explanation. —Z this story. She explained that the last time she saw him, which was in June or | July of 19605, he asked her if she would marry him. She stated that he said that he wanted to marry her so that he wouldn't have to go into the military service. She stated that she told him she would not marry him. She then queted him as saying, "You have got to marry me and help keep me out of the service." She stated that she again told him she would not marry him and then further quoted himas saying, "if you won't marry me, I'll have-to find so:eone else who will." She added that she believes he ia telling this story in an endeavor to avoid going into the military service. . | The Subject was asked by this examiner why she thought Perry Russo was telling . ’ HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 13
a . NS ” , oom G re - . a - Me ~ “Page TO 7 |. Mr. Hawkins June 21, 1967 RE: Lillie Mae MicMaines CONCLUSION: After careful analysis of thie Subject's polygrams, itis the opinion of the examiner that she told substantially the truth during her examination and interrogation. eonard H. Harrelson | LEIONARDE KEELER, INC. HW 54462 DBocld:32319411 Page 14