1-146 | | | | second call ,. yet earlier, you indicated that the normal time | | | 2H) lag \ was two weeks. | 2 | Here we have a tape being erased well before the normal | : | time lag. Do -you have any explanation for that? | 5 aa Ms. Goodpasture. No. ! Es s| Mr. Goldsmith. Referring to page 28, Stack C, could g 7 [ys identify this document? s at _ Ms. Goodpasture,: It -is a copy of the cable sent from ¢ 7 Mexico':to. Washington, CIA Headquarters. | Zot | Mr. Goldsmith. What is the date on it? ! : nn “Ms. Goodpasture, The date on it is 23 November 1963. | re = rs Mr. Goldsmith. Directing your attention. to paragraph « | . ; © = 3 4 of this particular. document, would you please read that? = af Ms. Goodpasture. | who did transcrip- Fd i — . i 3 | tion Said Oswald is identical to person speaking broken | E Is) Russian who called from Cuban Embassy 28 September to Soviet | 4 7 pemeser. ' s 8 | And that, ae think, was taken from the information: in thig a J = a transcript; Be 1, line. 151. | $ wk. : Mr. Goldsmith, Your response - then is that -- & wales | Ms ,:Go0dpastureat ules “think: that was: taken’ from this - statement in the October 1 transcript, : ae “Ss ; ee F 23 | 4 aed the President, did anyone go to Boris Tarasoft who is the 23 | | ! . | _ ; Mr, Goldsmith. At any time after the assassination of : 4 i person referred to, whose pseudonym was. 4 i ub i Jaw a oe goi2st HY 50955 Docld: 32277224 ‘Page 143
1-147 at any time after the assassination did anyone. go to Mr. ’Tarasoff and ask him whether the person speaking in these t3 conversations was: the same person? fa Ms Goodpasture. I did not, but I did not see it. | tl | ' The person who saw him was Herb Minell- and that was. his case i] \ | | yO tn unable. to compare the voices. Is. there any way to resolve the | 001289 ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. ; i oo a 8 officer, the outside person for the electronic surveillance = 7? | delivered tapes to me, “put he did not give them guidance or 3 a supervidion. That was given to him by Mr. Minell, who would e 5. have been. the one who would have gone to him and talked to him > Z 10 | about this. | = Ha Mr. Goldsmith.. This paragraph number 4 seems to suggest wt { { < | . a gt aay ~ ik does it not, that Was actually specifically asked | i | =z i ° 1 ie a 43 whether Oswald was the same person appearing in each ‘conversa- : 2 | = '¢ |. tion. 2 li Ms. Goodpasture. It could be interpreted that way or | = fo — “ |S] it could also have been taken from this other transcript. : | ne ' w 7 . | ‘ aaa Mr. Goldsmith. - And. finally, I would like you to. compare) & | F "| the statenent in paragraph 4 of this cable with. paragraph 2 | - 1% lon page 22, i a 70 (Pause) | Kee ' Paragraph. 4 indicates that said that Oswald © P< 7 | is identical. with the person. in paragraph 1. speaking broken | / “7 | Russian, yet the earlier cable on page 22, the second para~ | 2 | _ ag oa ; ; - | OQ 2 | graph = this is your cable -- you report that the station was. | } | HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 'Page 149
’ | ' 1-148 bo ! inconsistency? . . . Ms. Goodpasture, The only explanation is the one I made 3 \ previously, is that the two tapes werezstill not available at | * | that time to compare and we had to take the transeriber's 5 s | word for it. , - | 4 6 | Mr Goldsmith, I-would also like to point out that. \ 5 7 paragraph 2, the. very last line, the first two words, it says S 3 : "probably Oswald." Is that correct? | e a Ms. Goodpasture. Page 22? 2 ; = 10 i Mr .CGolidsmith. “Page 22, the second paragraph, thellast | = = ie | line, it says "probably Oswald." | ral “Ms ,Goodpasture .- ves. | © 5 1a | | ‘Mr. Goldsmith. ‘This cable is Mexico 7023. | : 4 : Then, two cables later, 7025, the fourth paragraph, it ! g 3 says | | |) who did transcriptions, says | i S| Oswald is identical. we no longer have any words of qualificat ‘ 17 | tions. | re - | é "| Iam referring now to page 29, paragraph 4. | E <i Ms. Goodpasture, What page is the other one? | a aa Mr. Goldsmith. - Page 29, paragraph 4, It says, see | who .did transcription, says Oswald is identical. ~The earlier , © . Pax ** cable says, "probably Oswald. Unable to compare. voice as | 3 siest tape erased prior to receipt of the second." | oar Two cables. later, it ‘says: that save Oswald is : ** | ddentical with the person speaking broken Russian who. called | oe OS gpoiz9¢ 4 LOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 150 ALGER SNS ~ '
1 1-149 from the Cuban Embassy on September 28th... | | | | | : | . 2 | What. happened between the time that. Mexico 7023 was sent 2 | out and Mexico 7025 was sent out to account for this differs: | + i} ence? 7 § Ms, Goodpasture, “The only explanation I.can give is | 64 that we went over the files again and we found the references | that the transcriber had made, the statements that he had 2002% (202) $5n-23u8 7 a) | made, that it was the same person. Oh, Mr. Minell could have ! c § | gone out and talked with. him. = id | In your interview with Mr. Minell, I am sure that he | = | a . | = 1! || would remember if he did. | « \ ; ; . : : = 12 | ‘Mr. Dodd. Let me interrupt for one second. - S - ot 7 (> qe 33 Miss Gocdpasture, at the time that. you were sitting down = ho . . = | . . | : = te and having discussions over these November 23 -- over this z ls 23 November, 1963, when you were sitting down and comparing = ig | these ‘two memorandum, was Mr, Tarasoff ever present in the a. 17 preparation of these memos? = “| Ms.. Goodpasture, Did Mr, Tarasoff ever -- ENF ..MrspDodd, Was he present during the preparations of = a 20 | these ‘memos. and these ‘discussions you were having? _— 2 ‘Ms, Goodpasture., You mean this one? EET as: ' ; fea aa , - & Rt Mr. Dodd, I am talking about. page 22, the memorandum on which you were the authorizing officer, the meriorandum involying paragraph. 4 on page 29 where | says that. Oswald is identical. : aon . ee 99294 LOEGRSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. be HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 “Page 151
| | en | . 1-150 | ! Ns. Goodpasture, No, he was not. present. | | Mr. Dodd, He was not present for any of those discus- : 2 | sions? | 7 “Ms. Goodpasture. No. ; oe ! 5 5 Thevnmeason was that he was located outside of the a | 2 6 | Embassy and these were not taken outside. . | = "| Mr. Dodd. Did you ever personally speak to Mr, Tarasoff? 2 | ‘Ms. Goodpasture. Yes, I have spoken to him personally. : | ‘Mr. Dodd. Did you spéak to him at. the time? | rE 10 Ms. Goodpasture.:. No... IT was not in. touch with him at | PS i this time? 3 ym = 12 Mr. Dodd, Did you speak to him -- how did you know he | a : 13 | compared the. voices? | | = 14 Ms. Goodpasture. Pardon me? = | : aa | Mr < Dodd. How do you know he compared the voices if | = 1s | you did not speak to him? | | 4 7 8 Ms. Goodpasture. I took it from this transcript,. I | Sn 4 5 13 Ip think, from a statement made here that he typed himself, the: a z. al P 1-B:is a copy of a transcript prepared by Tarasoff. .on his i. e 20 | typewriter. | ee Mr, Dodd. Let. us suspend. for a second. : © i awd *- (Pause) | wY Go ahead. — | 3 a Mr, Goldsmith. Probably you will not believe ‘this. I . f © : i iia] das annq eZee | 4 | Ont Raves few mone qheseiones i i i ; MESON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 450954 Docld: 32277224 Page 152 ARG ERSS * ~
1-152 if : i Mr. Goldsmith. Yet,. in the first cable, you say 2 | “probably Oswald, Station unable Compare voice as first tape” 3 erased prior receipt second call." And in the second cable | | you state, “oswata is identical," without any language of z. qualification. 3 ‘| Ms. Goodpasture. I said that the transcriber said he g 7 | wag identical, right? S ay Mr. Goldsmith .. Did anything happen? — : | Ms. Goodpasture, In the other one, we were unable to z 10 i have the tapes. for someone else to compare then, for other : i | people to listen to them or to send them to-headquarters for | 3 iZ them tolisten to. them, but.we. did have on record from this | eB E 13 | transcript that he had prepared that Tarasoff said that the | : 14 calls were made by the same mans. , | \ : | Mr. Goldsmith... You have no explanation for why the | Pe i | Oswald tapes would have been. erased within six days of their | “ 17 | receipt by the Mexico City station as opposed to within the | E '3 | normal two-week. period. E an Ms, ’60ddpasture. “No, I. cannot explain. it.. | $s *| Mr. Goldsmith. one final question. Have you discussed _ al | the ‘testimony that. you have. given. ‘us: today, have you discussed! OS ; at pa! 22 that with anyone prior to coming here. today? | 22 “Ms. Goodpasture. Have I discussed the testimony? | aly “ 1 Me Goldsmith. Have you discussed the nature of your | 25 | testimony with anyone prior to your. coming here today? | , |) ; 7) ; ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HY 50955 DBocld: 32277224 Page 1454 ,
1-153 . 1 Ms, Goodpasture. The only discussion I had was a | ® ; | confusion. about my coming up; which I discussed when I) | | arrived, and there was a misunderstanding of my being brought | oa 5 | up here. | | 5 | Mr. Goldsmith. I am aware of that. | | : | 7 Have you discussed the. substance of your testimony with | , | anybody, ox what you thought would be your testimony with.. | a | anyone? | | 9 | Ms. Goodpasture. No, I have not talked with anyone since ia! I left here yesterday, | Mr. Goldsmith, Since you left the Committee's. offices yesterday, is that correct? | i nm _ newer _- i { t i Ms. Goodpasture.” That is right. I left your office | yesterday. | | Mr. Goldsmith, I have nothing further. Thank. you » has _ very much,. Mr..Chairman? Mr. Dodd. Mr. Preyer, do you have any questions? ~ “Oo. | Of 3 “Mr, Preyer. I have no further questiiens at this time. | Mr. Dodd. “Mrs, Goodpasture, first of all, I would like i 398 7TH STREET, S.U. REPORTERS BUTLDING, VASHTHOTON, 9.C. 20024 (202) 964-2345 to request of you that you leaveyyour address or addresses i “A aa iy Ale ex J, 2 with the Legislative Counsel of the CIA from.time to time.. so if we feel aneed to get Back in touch with you, we can contact them and they can locate. you for us, If you would do that, T would appreciate it. © 001295 bo tan ! oe LOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 DocId:32277224 Page 155 | ALDERSON REPORTING Cones
1-154 | , { Secondly, I want you.to. know that we are grateful to | @ | 2 | you for appearing before your Committee. You have been help- | 3 i ful and we are grateful to you for that. + -Iwant. to apologize to you if I seemed to be a little | = 5 iF abrasive on that one point, which is that we are trying to + a e get to the truth of this as quickly as we can. . ‘Under our a i co | a / ‘rules of this Committee, we give each witness an opportunity & 3 |- at the conclusion of their testimony to take five minutes and cad : sum up or add any additional information that you feel might. Ah. ¢ wo be helpful to this Committee or to correct what you may feel. are “any. inconsistencies or confusion over testimony that you WASHTHG TON , have given this. committee, and I will ask you now to take | 7 : o . = 13 ‘| -advantage pit you would so desire; of five minutes or so to 2 é make that. summation.: & i : 15 | Ms, Goodpasture. The only thing that I could think of : Is j right now is that I feel that some of the papers: here are aa V7 | probably: out of. context ‘and still have some errors. in them, 7 | . 2 8 | and thease exrors that come up, I am sure theysare human . | on : : : E 1S yp errors and there may be more of them. | S 20 | Iknow. in this. one draft of background material, “To just ! _ aE wy | guessed at the dates. when people were there as well as names, | @ yo | as well as much of the information about the situation in | r * Mexico at that time, because it was to. be used as a framework | @ | 3s for trying to pull together the documents that. would be needed : , 2 ‘torpresent a true picture of. what the agency had in. their ! _ Se a 001296 a auoersen aaPOaTINS COMPANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld:32277224 Page 156
| | a e185 | | | | files-or the situation that was: there at that time. i: | THat is about all I can think of now. | be / Mr, Dodd, Thank you. : | ALL right, Miss Goodpasture, you are excused as a = 5 witness. Again, on betialf ofthe Committee, I express ny 3 S|) gratitude to you. | : = al Mr. Preyer. I want toucongratulate you on your. stamina S a | Miss Goodpasture, | : o . | Mr. Dodd, Unless there is. any further business before | | this Subcommittee, we will stand in recess until further TON, = ‘i | call of the Chair. Soh t (Whereupon, at 3:45 p.m, the Subcommittee recessed to | tt i | reconvene at the call of the chair.) | ‘ . . ‘ te ~ 14 a i) = { rary = : = ft : ] ta ii 1@ if . : i eon, 9, wn a i % it i re il : = tat : : 2 | = ! = 13 4 - it : > q ! ba Gow = ad ve) =I = c c oF 001297 ! 1 1 | ‘ o : ae | ao i ALDERSOM REPORTING ITOMEBANY, INC. HW 50955 Docld: 32277224 Page 157