he > roa F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 2107 AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY: — FBI RECORD NUMBER: _ 124-10257-10310 RECORD SERIES: WMFO AGENCY FILE NUMBER: CR SEE TITLE DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR: FBI FROM: TO: TITLE: CR 65-10585-F-4, 11, 33, 43 DATE: 01/29/1967 PAGES: 28 SUBJECT: LHO, RP, MNO, INQUIRY, OPINION DOCUMENT TYPE: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT ORIGINAL Secret NEW CLASSIFICATION: CLASSIFICATION: REVIEW_DATE: 10/30/1998 UPDATE DATE: — 02/14/2001 STATUS Redact ~ RESTRICTIONS: JFK Act 6 (1)(B) JFK Act 6 (1)(C) COMMENTS: 333 OF 359 PAGES NAR, INC 3 INTV, TRANSCRIPT Docld: 321927376 Page 1
: ae ~ -Releaséd. under. -the.John..F.... Kepnedy Assassination:Recards. Collection Act..of.1992..(44.USC.. 2107. Note). ‘DATE : 11-14-3017 “Oh 4/19/67 eeecee Oe rot uray a oe a ee v SECRET a A ee ‘The main purpose, of. wy going there is ‘fanily matters - and particularly to. find a woman 7 healthy enough, cleve | enough to take care of 8 sons, .and this sain subject T am going to arpéhge ‘in Moscow. Of course, I will meet GROMYKO, Mr, KUZNE TSOV, and the Foreign “Minister to send them their oral. or written’ messages from Us ~THANT, Today, I. had’ Lunch with the Seeretary-Ceneral, and he promised “me _ just on the eve of-my departure , * to give me some ideas to send to them, in words or among ; other people. Besides that, a am going to visit some other officials in fal t+! “— be “the Foreign Min try to whom I.am offi (5) sesore in order to maintain the offi cial contacts and just occasionally I will visit the Central Office and listen to their answers to their ee questions, I will give the answers to these : ~ _Porquestions, but I do not.expect that this talk.. i or talks will be very many or very long, They , will be very short, rather instructivé, some ” “| i kind of briefings, because Iowill_teli them from. r off ie 1c t4e m D1 tts n th wm - * . - “ vee the first minute of. my, being DoclId: 321927376 Page 2?
~Reléased under the John F: Kennedy. Assassination:Records. Collection Act. of .1992. (44 USC 2107.) —— ‘Hote).-- DATE: . 11-14-2017 ' . co ms ar ee ae ee re oy - But, he. | SUK one (in the Center Fel rs would be responsi ible for} GR AYA Ss) am . Co ve | (Interrupts), (284%. Yes, he is ‘the \- hae - only one who is controlling all this ine) God _If I can interrupt just once-more, along . the same line, Can you tell me anything you know "or you may have heard of the relationship between he KGB in Mofcow and LEE HARVEY OSWALD SWATION. oF FeRMGA_Yp ESIDENT.. cu) fi xcaeb re JOHN: Noy nothing at all. Nothin ne. That Was just coincidence that he was in the Soviet Union and we treat him ‘as a crazy boy. Psychologically. ee a ~vabnormal and it was mistake that we permitted the entrance for him to the Soviet ‘union, We ‘considered that we made a very serious fault w) cee ee ef TOMS bce nee -It would seem to me that it would be . vo . ; very strange. and unusual for the . Second See EN rt RS FE Ny ey re ae PRIN I FP eee ne _Directorate or the Second Department not to have { - , some relationship with this man.) ~~ Fee | I tell you that I don't know the whole " story~-because I have no, I was not involved | -in their activities any time befcre, but there are, you know, there was a very wide response, oo co. 7 __ there was very wide response: from which I can ‘uncerstand there was. nothing with him Of course s(t) 5ae or ‘ Wee coast tt 2 lene oie a oe. eee = Sain gpg miei Ef a nnn 2 aA a a le A — DoclId: 321927376 Page 3
"Released under’ the. John F. Kennedy, Assassination Records Colléction Act of.1992.(4f Ist a0 'Note).. > DATE:..11-14-2017 oa ‘there are, _there is an interest in. any American...” yi who is entering the Soviet Union: to study | ~ oy oy ae eat hin, ‘to find the possibilities to. approach > | oe him, to arrange’ something with him, “but as far as. this case concerns, there was nothi ng o a * “of the kind, because he showed craziness from the - | | | first step of being in the Soviet Union and_ with such kind of unreliable “people we are not a peat aad eee ee ewan meinen Mit ewe aae ena dealing and ‘are trying. to “choose the most | ne a - @apable. people, clever and cold-headed, soft- hearte dy a ore A pene neiend o like this, you know, Generally, normal people, ’ 7 ; but he was something beatnik - Beatle styreQ) — (rom: 2) . The reason Ir brought. this up is, as I “told you, our contact with you is being very closely held. Very people know about it.’ ee nee we ate ee ah Ae a ka er ee hee Obviously one of the people. who knows about is Mr. HELMS,-- You know who Mr.~HELMS is(H—. : sf - “Yes, HO . on tet re | Mr. HELMS personally asked that I ask-you seen BR s - about this because he says he hag had some H + ne . - rs u Me on _ disturbing news and it was. for this reason “he a a ‘wanted me to find out from you just what bos i oo exactly was the relationship between the | KGB and LEE HARVEY OSWALD DQ) DoclId: 321927376 Page 4
oD ; Released under - the John F-- ‘Kennedy Assassination ‘Records Collection Act “of--1992-(44-USC.-24.07- *, { _ Hote). . DATE: 11=14- 2017 e a " woe . Ne BD a oe : s coe - ‘J must ‘fell. you that I don't know anything : reliable to add, Pr obabl Ly there was some: . a i we Ss ECREL approaches, some steps to. study nim, but it is. not Known to me y but at ‘the same time, I must ee ‘mention that we respected very Brienne - and in our mind he was the first after ROOSEVELT eect as eteteetneeet wnt EE tie ipa tte ve nee wee rol a he was the: first President with whom we could ‘geal because he was , he had a scientific approach to any international issue and we saw. the prospects of cooperation with him end we had very far-ranging calculations. ‘te deal with | hin so we consider him that‘ one. of ‘the most ‘promising man through whom we can arrange ~ ~ >... @ll our relations with, America. We were’ very this point of view, this is absolute nonsense dn te ste ine hn pened et arth a tents Ms we tetiee Spelt ay Ment _ to involve such people in this affair. In our “consideration, I-must tell you very, very. frankly and it is from the highest strata of our ae ee ee pee a IN Service that Mr. KENNEDY in our analysis, in our conclusions, it is mentioned was killed by a . a interested in him so from judging even from. oO | representatives of a group of monopolists connected with the South and East of the United States, who hurted, I mean’ KEN EDY hurted their ' interests, tried to limit their acitivities #) DoclId: 321927376 Page 5
‘Released under the John-F. Kennetly Assassination Records Collection. Act—of-1992_(d44 Use 2i0r we ee ee Gaerne Gemea ee 4 oly sete ee kee wie meth cman tle A Ree ete ROT Rh me ae ne he mbinsey meee copeemeaint sequent ie 8 ~~“ <—— ‘Hote). © DATE:: 11-14-2017 - roa ° . a * “cs “ oe i sos . end eo: Lo ~ = * “was done, It was very: pleasing to. (USS ‘because — ae Po beth pe we don't like the statesmen who are very often | " | Changing’ their minds , their statements, and SO on and so forth, And this kind of President oe a Was very, very ‘important for the Soviet Union, It was - at that time I was in Moscow ‘and I saw “the faces of people -1I saw the people in the streets who cried, the tears on their faces, » and the mournful music by radio. This is is a very rare chance when such | a thing are > being done, in connection with the event of some. other country, This is a unique chance, so even frem this you can see the depth of our feelings in '. . this respect (I - . (rom JE) a In yow recollection, since you were in Moscow at that time and I know what a ‘reaction this must | “have had there, was there any talk, any gossip foment 7 - at all about KGB involvement with OSWALD and (5) ‘particularly the 13th Department\e) con No, no, no. Ger I must tell you that we spend about six or eight months or "probably a year to ee study the roct, the roots of this plot against oe sow P KENNEDY. and we used all the possibiliti in\ this country and in other countries - all the possible ways to find out what is behind this - Plot. - “what, was. behind this: assassination, “) pecause for’. “us” it was . very, Strange puzzle Poe DoclId: 3271927376 Page 6
;Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 19523 (44 Use 2107 "= Hote). | DATE: 11-14-2017 a - > J What is'it - and after Ravage some reliable “information. ‘from here , from other countries yey we collectea and made the fina i, conclusion, [and it: i qe sore 5 aa fO ry oy qoreen, | no So , / was told by Mr. KULEBYAKIN who had the assessmant a ae / of ‘all these studies and research about. the | a 7, . reasons of killing him fand on om | frou This gentleman was in charge of this in “Moscow? Ys) ee ae Goh [He was connects with the Information Service . _ Bo _in particular with 2 esrawne (Ph) who colected So ‘all the information concerning the..assassination. — of President KENNEDY and there was a group (Of wine ne lee information’ officers who carefully gathered the | information about this assassination and 8 studied. GX) : ; a on [ener You mentioned, pardon me , that after receiving reliable information’ in thi .S ‘country . ” oe and other countries you were able to form this - 1 . Feat ete An tec tect aint gem conclusion. From whom would you get reliable S) 'information here as to that plot {w%) ~ { soun: I get only the results From{tr. KULEBYAKINC S_) ~.@nd it was repeated after that by\ir. SITNIKOV (Ph) ee . . "an the forest in Krasnoyarsk (Ph). Only the results, but I'm, I was, at that time, in the school, 101 school, you must know it, for one Wo anesthe oe te DoclId: 321927376 Page 7
‘Released under. the Jobn.F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act. of 1992 (44 Usc 2107_.°-— ‘Hote). DATE: 11-14-2017 aaa (ee . <2 ee ae for. training, cre) t di _ w+,,follow from... where’ the information came, “from whom it was po / ans a received, and by what ways through what intermediates, | | a ae but -I must tell you that all the agents in the oo world were mobilized, the most. reliable agents in the worid were mobilized to study this. carefully, besides other possible official contacts also were involved to get even far traces fron far ---- and ever thing was gathered ae ee and studied very carefully, and only after that we came to that. final conclusion about a ; 6) “cannot mention specifically, SY (tom: oO You can ele, and also that I wouldn't — 1c : ‘’ know the ON ree comment or the | sources behind this, \ All I know is that he died say that he had had some disturbing news. Goon’) S) interrupts) }GQ oe . (son: “. . “I must repeat that I do not exclude — | : a So which I told “you. So the sources I don't know - I | } ¥ . . Le eet ah dm aN ee A ae Lele ee eine AN ae ee that approaches to study OSWALD were made by = Ce KGB, but as far as all the approaches are being - made to any American, te any foreigner, coming to the Soviet Union ~--- I do not exclude it, but was far as I know, he was not contracted and as far. as L know he was treated during all hi is) Co. - | ee veka Bak te aera are Eo decal DoclId: 3271927376 Page &
‘Hote) . tt a ele ee ene le Re ee ee em a ’ 2 Vee eee mie pine item cite we Docld: 32192376 (ance . _ [sous - “not very pleasant. | ‘Released under. the John.F. Kennedy. Assassination Records: Callection Act. of .199 DATE: | 11-14-2017 - Page 9 ‘the country. . the country, then dd) . hot of this kind, transferred to President JOHNSO _want, I can tell you frankiy(*) greatest, abi tious and by: character very "Texan". : at : iia! ” Of —_ ~ : . 7 . ot yagi Ce, pericd of being. in the Soviet. Unior. as a. “-erazy: man, and we were very gla ad then he left We were very glad when he left Also, that it was a pity that another " erazy girl. went with him to the United States, OSWALD I mean MARINA,. MARINA SWATSO a type of .L HARVEY | Soot) a an “There was no sadness) at letting her: “£0 But, for US , you know all such things are We don't mind if there. is. a little love -~ a serious woman is going to , } : abroad and in many cases we are using this possibility to arrange something, but MARINA was girls-womenlly for not of this type of You mentioned your high regard sored | Président KENNEDY, | Has any of this high regard L yA N2Q») . This is a very delicate Question, and if you Yes, frankly, what. you feel about him and what is generally felt among your associates K) So, about Mr, JOHNSON, We consider him as a very ambitious. man who wants to be the or one of the greatest Presidents in the history of America, ‘that -he is very It:is. 7 _‘Smpossibie 2 to. say" At like emis ry
ee ‘Released - under the John - FE. Kennedy -Assassination -Records- CoLlection-Act..of .1992 (44 USC 2107... = Hote) ; DATE: 11- 14- 2017 . A man o exes y and we see. “many ‘yes, a L Lees we? BW. PPC ari, policy, just of this kind, For us, it is a very . ri we see many features in his. . big pity that he refused ‘to corisider the. conclusions of the p ople who were _ taken into Tony FF. consideration by “Mr, KENNEDY, I mean the —— _Selentists | in the field. of world politics, in. , . the field of home politics, and in the field | a! of general planning of the policy, | We. feel AE tment atte tee ee Ee eel te a . a ‘very great pity that in many’ cases he is. trying to rely upon himself, just ‘ignoring the Conclusions of experts from. the scientific wwe to : circles of different fields, But, at the same time, taking into consideration all this _ particularities about him, we were trying to approach him and to deal with him, and, in our opinion, the main obstacle in dealing with him eee OT er ee pete RN NN a eA ne A ee Ls Sega eee ee 2S the. mistake that he has done with ‘Vietnan, In our opinion, Vietnam is his ereatest ‘nistake, a eT ee ee eeneenenennninaaa : . Stet pert ree! Ja thalamic ba 8 ai ee Ne tea ine Ol Pa ate ee at mn “that Vietnam will bring nothing to “America and rate Se eR A Na Dolman aA ak EN le nae eae ee en ee a OE eee PAN rm toe mare Serre emma a AA OR ac ar MORO Ee Sn eee ere arr i 7 “pt a . America is losing everything in Vietnam, not only } in the military personnel, not. only financially, not 5 ” oo, ‘only in annunition, but mainly in her petites) a WE Le eet DoclId: 321927376 Page 10
Released ‘undér the John F. - Kennedy. Assassination. Records. Collection Act..0f..1992.(44 USC 2107 |; a ‘Mote) - DATE : 11i- -14- -2017 o po Se to Southeast, Asia, So. she weakened her positions ; a iv, “in other countries, of Asia, in Europe, partly | hs on in Africa, partly in Latin Anerica, and. penerally, by this an vornvement the United States. brought oy Set } ; ee ; a number of bldnetblamings in the United: Nations, in other international foruns and so on “and ' $0 forth. But last time I mentioned some a ideas an this connection(W) Dye - ‘ Now, I think that we should continue on for * a Say a wie ae hg BN pa ae ae alk p ap nn a _ the rest of your time here - you mentioned (serv CSI as one | ( JOHN descr) a) ‘Yes - next one is GRETA. ‘Her code name is - on GRETA, Her. real name is NARKULYAINI. - You will & eta fo 8 coneWwame af Fre MA oy ae eaeaes SAL HEA al Hy mel ee edd te te oe t nh ° here in New York 7 MARRALYAYN (ie ELA ‘aera \Gadssdi? Siow Aaerbtiacuas Fe Ng . She, was also contracted in pr LV S t Ur . oh \6sA MYA REL IAT S, stre. ( ossigey Ew ARPULY ar BS ne Beer * ) wmermenn She visited the Soviet Union many times. She. is working somewhere in the newspaper - in the : an ao newspaper, ‘Possibly what one I do not + know CS) ieee JACK: Her case officer is {S) . an JOHN . , I'm going to tell this. Previously she had ' | ' pe. - - @ connection- the contacts with GRISHA. I have S\ oa ee (Bone VANE oR. Kee orh Che Be ae - forgotten his - GRISHA“is a code ame, but it is very easy to find him, He was the only pte 8 os . one from Lithuania, Baltic Republic. He was 6 DoclId: 32192376 Page 11
"Released. unde yx" the: John.F. Kennedy. Assassination ‘Records. Collection Act. of 1992. (44 WSC 2107 = . e “Notey : DATE+: ‘$1-14- = 2047 : ba ake te Pain ~The: main. thing that: I. should ike. ‘to ask you ” (now is about the Linitaticn of the people who can rkatod CONTAINED. 4 1 veloDAS Sts ‘) EASE : eat meters Alm em ee cle ’ Lb THEO : nin au have access. to. tae matters conce ring our cooperation [so this is es very ‘essential for me at this time becaus “there are two SEES “First, of all, at the end of 1963 - - at the 5 Lane Mp OO ppm oer tnt ~ beginning of 1964, thers was a case officer here in. “New York. His name ney ee a eae ALEXANDER " pososuausi (obviously ‘referring to VADIM/BOGOSLA ode . KEP Cee DP PRA: nae end his code name was VROST coy (® Some ethin LAREN CEMA 0 ji TER -ROSTON "s a woman from the a) the airs of the arrest of the group of Mr. PAVLOV _=-she gave, him the Ao eee smallest details” of that story ‘and that contact > was not developed later because, as I mentioned we were prohibited to do the actual work in New York, “$0 I'am mentioning this detail now in comnection ‘that if some tecnnical employee, T mean typists and ane L FiTHe-veovle who can possibly have access to ferily or among eyen thein. 4 +; and give umnecsssary detail ‘about my case - ; ", 4 .[ am very much concerned about alr the » possible DocId: 32192376 Page 12
-Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Callection Act of ‘Note}). DATE: 11-14-2017 , a * Sd abe va) Gee §\ — to deal. (or even to have a short ineeting con cs with the highes: chier of this agency. For the workin _ purposes T think 1 would be better if I deal with you personally as we started. I feel, for me it is 7 “very easy to deal with you, you. understand me better then Mr. JACK (Laugh). and I must - we have goubts and we shouldn't have any diplomacy in fact it give me very big satisfaction to speak, tQ you and to see you always and x like such kind of people. This is iny personal feeling and there is nothing ga (TOM interrup 33) , (aon | «will relay again your wishes to Mr. HELUS and I dentt know, the situation may change sometime in the future but for the immediate present he said ( it would impossible. (2) loan ha not in hurry and there is no - net urgency in that and I am not interest in seeing his senior deputies or assistants but sometime i should ike to see him, himself and just for a’ short time. Ir .it.wonld be necessary from the point of view of the WOLK to see somebody of nis agency» lin ready ) to nest anydody. (S) » {sour Alright. Now the next thing Mr, HELMS: i ng ae ee as ies) ed me to takes up with you - relates as votievive, ct He had read the private report hat I sent to him@) DoclId: 321927376 Page 13
Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Regords Colléction Act of 1992 (47 sc 2107 - _ -Hote). DATE: 11-14-2017 . “ . . " . a ae ot at “7h Uw “f merida vt SN a . “4. . Li | a a 4 a { TOM s (eo) concerning your statements, what you had te say ebout the relationship between the EGB and | SECRED LEE. ARV | OS ALD . Now Mr. HELMS pointed out shat . —o had given to DREW pearson, you know DREW PRARSON, the correspondent‘ &) ae - +. the things that you said werefexactly 01 e same | ne Btory, the seme line that Mr. iERUSHGHEV hi ims self Tote SOHN: ) Uh-huh (w | TOM s And that was much ear. ner, [Long peTore the time that you referred the 6 ox S months snot a a ieksauok [ \ oe epee) Aleks" IsroutKov$ (ph) @nd his group\weré working on collecting ail of this information. So, Mr. HELMS said that he has very good and TOM firm reasons to know that this line, the one about the southern military industrialists being (responsible for the assassination of President “Jou ¥ f KENNEDY, he has firm reasons to know that this i is ., nn EE the truth JOHN: Uh-huh {y-) TOM? That this was and thet it is some kind of a cover-up (a) Un-hun{™) And he said that he waniS n me to express tO FOU nis desire that the most important tt entas[For you 39 ae Vsee nee aes Foe gem es DoclId: 321927376 Page 14
Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Recoydg. Celjection,Aet of-4992 (44 USC 7107 . Hote). DATE: 11- 14-2017 : ter co . (x0 Cron: >), to - afin you are back in ao is to rina 's] (cont'd) - + ° out everything pos ssible, in the greatest ‘detail ayy ete . oe ee ig llipessipie, © ofine real story of the KGB's relationship Ket shee net : with LEZ HARVEY /oSWALD. OK. oe sor; JV of on- -huh. Jf the KGB had - was enrolled in that story - g0 it.is first unknown | from be now and probably wiil be unknown from me for a considerable long period, funtil I cecupy sone BLU) _ high post in kGB orjif or when { meet some people who hed some relation to that matter TOM: (o) (imat about stintxoy? \@ \) JOHN: JI doubt that eyen BITNIKOV can have access to “KGB was’ involved it was > @ very secret and a very Limited group which | } ! | | that matter because generally judging covld be involved in that matter. And everything that 1 told you about thet matter, LEE OSWALD, LEE HARVEY OSWALD, that was my general opinion, not based on some facts known Pron KGB, "~ “his is from my general feelings and the Feelings of the people whom I met from different places at . oe not oe ents time, KGB including and so on and so forth. ~ |}. > Lne never met a Soviet man wno was very glad that _ President/ KENNEDY was assassinated. I have never . D met such 'a single n n USSR regretti (20 ifs \ | -intexrupts) “GO . ne Stl ae ~T2- Bo — a eeetigee Ce ES DoclId: 32192376 Page 15
;Released under. the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Att of 1992"(44 USC 2 Note) - DATE: 11- 14-2017 rr re a ne . fk, ‘7 of the story. [Probabiy with time being - some time latez I'll be in position to find out something eceOReEL , additional nd immediately Tf'ild inform you out Tubs a) -thatd Everything IT told you about the indust rial military concept it was told/to me - it was - I. was told ebout that by Mr. i os oo peorspvaxnn] repeat it again. ‘That wes the final analysis because all this assassination was a very olg puzzie for us and we svent many months ‘to open the roots of that assassination and. f ae ot not sure that that conciusion wae final and tha SP ofS \ about that, but the Residentura was] never informed there are nothing more now fin the Central orfi Q about anything else bedises that I tole you. (or course, tH try to meet Mr. SIINIKOV, who Was very friendly with me in 1965 and if he is in Moscow now and if he is not busy I will arrange to meet. If he accepts my invitation, I will invite Rin to ) By ‘apartment. — ir he finds it's more Fee a En REE EES ~ . convenient hefil invite me to his department. If “he finds itts possible, we can meet somewhere in a restaurant, 4 me in sty ottiee 3 in the vent CommitteeftT hocs it is possible for me it is no problem to meet uJ) a ee Nae oth Bh DoclId: 32192376 Page 17
Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records. Collection Act -of 1992 (44 USC -2107- = Note). DATE: DocId: 32192376 11-14- “2017 JOHN: cont! oe ne oe STITNIKOY if he's in Moscow even fer five minutes yr - How are ou (S) jv" : } ¥ even ‘to cay - a é “S a “aa . oxte “hel a Vou know our interest, find out TP ere w Page 16 ET. dust what was the veletionship. / Now I have. one t : final item agein, request from Mr. HEIMS, and for & very important piece of information, Do you cee knew or can you find out anything about an agent, RT A nar me mee OA my Po mer ee AAP AMG HE CR ek Pe TES Hid SY CL SHE te yn Nt a KGB agent or a Soviet Agent, who was @ very ren Pee et ETI ABT TR Yi IIL An Bale CS ANGE tele le ete Ae SUA eel Lacy aA 4 A tN Se Nf ie rao highly ‘place source within the United States . Rien apy ene ede a RIT AE CARRS 8 ay Na wh IA LY AIRS OPEN eA TON MERE PINRT HOSEL TE RINT Sie A ENR STES SE MRED apres Fe OO SE NS, Gcvernnment and within - and in the United States nme at eerste ci nae physically during the time of the Cuban missile ne nee an EAN RRR Ee AE tl ee A AEN RN RATING eS PH Be We SITE EN DPE! ra PONY ARCA oe Enatt ane crisis the end of 1962, October '62? A well placed ee mer! Ae ak BPMs MER NALIN Rin NE Cer (AT nae RTA Hg ee OETA ee U.S. government source who was providing the KGB ees mare tthe startin AMAA mn DM Ne NG A NENA NRT SOA Ne Rae tN MASI RE atte ta ih Re AOD neta rattan tin with information about the - vhat the United States de enn yn HERETO GALS VEE Bae NRO RE ERE ETN PORE IRE Tat RAEN AED TUR RON MT are OPN RG TU Aah ee ee ee oe Government knew of what was going on in Cuba and ~ coe Pad se nh REe RS cage pare A PRR A i a RN I I RIA otc Fcc EM en are Titus 5 IAT about the United States Government's plans Lor Cubs Ede RR ECR a ghee eget re ee — uate Ata serra) DION EAE TOR va eae (fan AERC IME SIDER IAT Bt ITINRST E ETA TT at that time ee Cae Rn T'm not sure, I don't know anything about high place - high ranking agent in the government egencia 3 ct oO n Ne tr of the United Ste ¢ can only guess bub i know ime we Ye for sure thet at that t ad very valuable information from the US Gevernment about their know: about: Cube to ioe out their intention and about practically everything. And, at that time, I was 7 | ! s + oS ner Lee t aE very fer from the American affe s you understena(G)
4 Nei under the John F. Kennedy Assassfias tgp (Regdrds Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 2107 (i Hote .. DATE: 11-14-2017 a a - ~ SECRET. Heeting No. 33 ‘4 April 1967 Transeript (51 pages) “suamnocs. [© (froma ryan \S y SA Jueli NESS SA Richard NeCARTHY * ‘ Participants: ' AID INFORMATION CONTAIRED HEREIN IS UNCLASSIFIED EXCERR' WHERE SHOWN OTHERWISE, 2°” i_Rocld: 32192376 Page 19 NA
ren pane pee ‘Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1997 444 USC ior Hote). DATE: 11-14-2017 “Ne . , Scunceh [eoitey and in our politics to inprovs the relations with the Americans. Once he mentioned that, “in order to improve the relations with the Americans...once he mentioned that, in order to improve the relations with the U3 and Japan, we even returned to Japan those one | er two islands to the north of Japan which they want to have, because they are bare, naked and we have nothing on thea and it is a silly thing that we, for SL s0 many years, are trying to giva tnea V5) Ut) TOU :| But you oaly ay them back two...thore were four to start with Bul a | Gromit 0 don't vemember how many of ‘then but he generally Said that, as far as he knows, we are ready to return these islands to Japan and to finally settle all of our relations with Japan, and wa are rendy to make serious concessions to Americana, to arrange our strategical relations in the world...becnuse it is his presumption that thero are only two super-povers in the world which could decide the existence of hums ity. (tou Presta, just for the record because you gave mo a negative answer on this ones before...did you have the opportunity er did you discuss at all with SITNIZOV the question of Lee Harvey [osmusn and his connection with the KGE? (~) Ss (som: vosKF noe head no epportunity to speak to anybody about that item|because Br. SITNIKOV was very far fron that (S— iten and ji felt that there is only one opportunity to speak about that caso...that is fwith/ the Second /Chiet/ Directorate. (But since I had very short tine C S\ at my dieposal,) I only spoke once or twice on the . . telephone with that man from the Personnel Dopartment \ the Second /Chiet/ Directorate...I gave you his my) 4 \w ( sacs: ( es) & sou: (3 (ioe DAVIDYAN, That wns the man who promiscd to find And I had no tine (3) \ \ a teacher for my sons... Languages. x f Docka:32192376 Page 20 . Stones wi]
| Release ider the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 C7 jhe . DATE: 11-14+2017 e (oven to meet all the officers and chiefs of the First /Chiez/ Directorate, } att Rete | afford that mectidd Dee wanted to meet mo and I couldn't s o Se BUSS i was so short in my tine. Every day was so busy with talke with ur, WENOGRADOV . with ox / apm, with Hr. POLONIE, AZAROV and many, - many others. Besides, I visited many teachers anorg whon I wanted to choose somebody for my young toii.\(S) (108 5 (ne reason I raise them is because, prior to your departure, I had discussed these two itens os being ones in whieh wo wore terribly interested...and I thought| S) SITHIEOV (would be able to offer something on then}() particulariy concerning OSWALD since you had said that he was involves in the collection of this information at the tine. , Fight after the assassination. jARemenber E suggested to you (enat you night mention to him\that Cs3 this is still so much in the public eye and in the prees back here now(and see if ho had any further comment on it.\S\ , (som: Frenkly speaking, [SITHIKOV is very far...by the agture of his work.. every far from those connections ig they ned place /sie/ . And the only people among whom you can find a proper man.. this is people from the Second /Ghief/ Directorate. | (Generally speaking, it was Cs \ necessary to spend a lot of time to approach then \and you know, yuu should have a reliable man like SITNIKOV azong them and I have nobody. My only hope wao[Hy . C sh FEDCROV land through him I wanted to know because he. wag always very open to me and we, as friends, could H speaks about everything in the world. Ané be knew masy i things and he could tell me everything that he knew “or that he heard, But, unfortunately,(he kitted ninset#\(%) and that was ay only_hope ond it failed. Shiga tat haat hme a (me you remember that elderly san whom you said was a Soviet citizen and em teught in Baltimore? prnore 6) ee _Docld: 32192376 Page “21 Nie oh 4 bo — etunel ~
~ Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 3107 ca Hote). DATE: 11-14-2017 ) O | SECRET April 22, 1967 Tape No, 1 This is a test. This is a test (W) (Today is 22nd of April, 1966. 67 yes, excuse Yesterday I visited the Residency, just for 4 en Short time to give the dictionaries for M VINOGRADOV's (NIKOLAY F,) daughter and to Mr. WA, (NIKOLAY TROPOMOVECH). But Mr. VINOGRADOV and Mr, 4 72 oxsnecakov (VASILIY VLADIMIROVICH) were not at the at serie ptt eh Residency at that time so I left the dictionaries to Las Mr.] GERMASH (YURIY P.), he promised to give them to to Lo , | NS ‘ Mr.\VINOGRADOV, He said that besides he had something | ARS , Ng FR to.give him...some things to give him, and together os with other things he promised to give my tiotionartes( Wy And I gave two telegrams, one to Mr. GERMASH and another to our codist, communication officer, and... TOM: o Who's that oe pa ated! ous OFFER, | (Ke? clay OF COMA (eA Tied 3 ot) VLADIMIR" £ And this "VLADIMIR" told LARA SEC WY CH ZALANTSEV ) me that Mr. VINOGRADOV and Mr. MOZSHECHKOV will leave JOHN: His name " Paris. ALL [INFORMATION CONTAINED | HERMIN TS UNCLASS IF LED EXCEP ; VERE SHOWN OTHERWISE. a DoclId: 321927376 Page 22
Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 2107 — Hote). DATE: 11-14-2017 ‘ ~ “4, ~ (sown No, this is the feeling which is shared by - everybody including Mr. KULEBYAKIN (NIKOLAI P.), ee ee because KULEBYAKIN in May will be on Moscow and Pas ie he will exploit this accident 100 %(5) (tom: \(S) Have you heard any reactions recently, or ‘ especially yesterday, to the arrival of SVETLANA- ; STALINA in the US? (soHn: YS) Yes, just at(the General Assembly, \I met sone CSJ people, and before and after, but except the exchange of views that she arrived New York, there was any Significant response that should be mentioned, ~ expecially. . | (sours) Is there any concern expressed( in the Mission, in: the Residentura?\C¢‘} (soun: V5) My feeling that there are the...neutral or Loe. something like that, anyhow, we have no official ' reaction which could be mentioned expecially here, in this connection. C ro: }(5) Has there been any communications from Moscow either(to the Residentura or to the Nission) concerningCs} her arrival and what attitude...the official attitude the Soviet representation should take? a a he SECRET Wee - oe ee ee ase : . - : . -- _) DoclId: 321927376 Page 23
Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 2107 —— Hote}. DATE: 11-14-2017 (som: y S| Probably there was some telegrams, but I didn't jsee them, Probably for the personal knowledge of (ir, KULEBYAKIN,) but, as far as I am concerned,C 9) there was nothing, . (cous YA You haven't heard anything from( KULEBYAKIN { CxS, about this? ~ (goun V4 I didn't see him all these days. (Because, he : / prohibited to visit the’ Residency during /the stay of these two people, Mr. NWINOGRADOV and Mr MOZSHECHKOV, so I tried to do my Best not to.see him. And I was afraid to see him, because he would reprimand me Severely that I violate his order. \CS) { ron: YS . What's your personal reaction to/ SVETLANA's having left the Soviet’ Union? | . . (soun V4 For me now it is very difficult to express any | special remarks about this arrival. . But, I can understand her, because obviously she felt some dissatisfaction after the death of her father and She probably had some reason for this step, to leave the Soviet Union for the United States, Generally, I treat her defection as a sign of her dissatisfaction . ., with her life in the Soviet Union. - le DoclId: 321927376 Page 24
- Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 2107 Note). DATE: 11-14-2017 (non VS) What is your feeling about the attitude that the Soviet Government displayed initially when they refused to let her marry this indian....or when they . refused to officially sanction the marriage? (aon) All these things is very far from my knowledge. ‘ And, I only can give you my personal comments, but as far as this question is being asked just unexpectedly, I must think it over, So, generally - it is very difficult to say something about the things to which you don't know, in detail. And 3 . generally, I heard about her when she was-a young girl ‘about 15 or 17 years old. I saw her pictures in the newspapers and after that time I have never seen her pictures and I have never heard anything about her. So, I knew that there is a daughter of SPALIN living somewhere in the Soviet Union, What Was ner occupation and what was her life, I didn't know at all. And, just after her departure from India to Rome I found out from the American press that she . was married to that Indian. I didn't know about that before, So, that was... | - a (ron: 5 Well, she considered herself married to hin, but the Soviet authorities never would ‘recognize the : = 5 ‘ DoclId: 32192376 Page 25
Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 2107 — Hote}. ‘ DATE: 11-14-2017 Oecd | an - Et aor x ea? Manger Ss vy te EY marriage as being.a proper marriage. She was never ona ont'd) (conn aa) (tom eo married...you know,..under Soviet law. | So, all these things is out of my knowledge, And, it is very difficult for me to comment... Can you comment on why the treatment would be different to her. Now, other people have married soviet citizens, have married...Soviet girls. Officially. gt Officially. ves. gu b» OSWALD married MARINA,etie apparently had no ee (Ce problem at all marrying MARINA. -In a reasonably short time he was able to get the permission to have this thing registered at the Z0G's (phonetic)... everything taken care of. Why...and. this has happened in many other cases...why would they treat this 5) case aiftferently{ A) . ; Fo) . Probably that was...there was some-considerations connected with her father, probably with her previous marriaces...I don't know, because...I repeat, that it is very difficult to comment the things that you don't enow (V) -6- DoclId: 321927376 Page 26