HW 532716 SECRET You know, in the Komsomol Committee, as in any directorate, there are positions, and they have certain responsibilities. Right, .but I do not remember. What were the positions of SOKOLOV and this other fellow? I do not remember. Do you think it is logical to say that a Secretary of a Komsomol organ- ization of the Second Chief Directorate must know approximately who works on the Komsomol Committee, what their positions are, who comes to the meetings, and who supervises them? I said that these two fellows -~ KALININ and SOKOLOV =- supervised the organization, What were their positions? Members of the Bureau of the Komsomol Committee. Anyone can be a member of the bureau, even one who does not work there «= for your information. But they have a certain functional position, which is written down on paper -- these are identified. I do not remember. We will return again to the following -=- if you were the Secretary, you must know this, because it is very simple; not only do the Secretaries know it, but everyone who was in the Komsomol does. No, I do not remember, and I do not even know. You can imagine that it is quite difficult for me to believe that you were a Secretary. a ta, DoclId:327404701 Page 46
HW 53716 B. SECBET~ e 44 - @ I do not imagine ((so)), I do not imagine ((so)). Well, we will return to an old question -- how and when did you practically get on the permanent rolls of the Komsomol Committee of the MVD? In March 1953. Well, explain how this was done. I said that we talked. You said you spoke with a girl about the rolls, with a member of the Bureau, as you say, with one or the other whom you do not remember. What next? ((Pause)) That is all. That is all? If you were in the Komsomol, if you were a Secretary, you must know. I said what I remember. You understand =<- this is not an answer. I cannot do anything. I cannot jump higher than my head. I do not remember. You want me to think up something for you, but I will not. I said, of course, practically speaking, if you had been Secretary, you must know this. Because it is not possible for a former Secretary not to know. Even if you were not a Secretary, every Komsomol member knows how he is placed on the rolls and how he is removed from the rolls. I simply want to find out where Ahe bones lie hidden. SECRET DoclId: 327404701 Page 47
SE T Because I came here to speak with you and to help you to clear out all of this rubbish, and. B. This is a thing that I can not answer. A. How is it possible to believe you 100 percent after such a discussion? It is not possible. B. What can I do if I do not remember. Do you want me to (?lie?) to you? A. I do not know what you are supposed to do, but I want to know precisely - were you a Secretary, and were you in. the Komsomol? But since you cannot tell the simplest things, I can make only one conclusion == that you never were a Secretary of the Komsomol organi- zation of the Second Chief Directorate, and I will question whether you were in the Komsomol at all, if you cannot relate the simplest things. B. I told you what I remember. A. The same thing happened with those with whom you spoke earlier, about other questions, etc. It always goes that way. B. Well, what can I do if I have such a memory? I can do nothing. A. It is not a matter of memory. ‘B. If I have such a memory.... ((XG; A and B speak at the same time) ) A. I imagine that you had a very good memory -= you were a very good worker. HW 532716 DBocld:32404701 Page 43
@ | @ Because they do not select jerks (khuyevyy) to be Secretary of a Komsomol organization, even though the organization might not work. B. Well, there was no one else to elect. There were only typists, secretaries and 2-3 ((operational)) workers in all, A. Listen; it is not important. Why did they select you and not IVANOV? B. Well, maybe IVANOV got caught drunk aon they found out and they.... A. Any way , there were 15 people. ((XG; A and B speak at the same time) ) You were a new man.... B. Typists and stenographers -= they would not select them. A. Perhaps it would be better to select a stenographer, because she has been there all the time. B. Well, probably they considered that they needed an operational man as Secretary. A. Well, if they considered that the Secretary had to be from among operational personnel, then I conclude that there were not only typists and stenographers, but also operational employees. A, Well, there was RAKOVSKIY, Feliks. Who else was there’ Then, there was... later... he came later -=- I think he came in 1953. (?KOTS? ) And there was someone else. And, by the way, I gave the Secretary business to this KOTS. SE HW 532716 DBoclId:32404701 Page 49