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1 0 | a 34] N i 1 i wn 2 6 | ~ | nN ' ' S ~ S 7 | ~ = a! co ~ 4 S t ™ { \ so 9] ce = 10 | 5 | Nat S i = My ne) <, | = 42 | Saad ! = i = 14 | Lond x i ' i 1s ! & 34. ° i oe 13 ~ i = J “ 7 - ‘ eo | I ig | Ps vt z= 19 | ~ | ce + fang S 20 | | WW i owe oat amt Peed hn 27! 24 | i | 25 Docld: 32252529 fe tw Ro ——— eres SSO0SS SI Sa eS and made himself the Secretary General of the organization and so forth. | | | Mr. Triplett. Okay. For how long were you involved with it? Weeks, months, years? The Witness. No. Not that long. The Brigade, it may have been a year possibly, that I wanted to go ahead and be involved with it. But like I say, I just lost interest in the whole thing because of a lack of funding. Mr. Triplett. Have you ever been contacted by any person for the purpose of killing somebody in ‘this country? The Witness. Yes, sir. ‘Mr. triplett. By whom? ‘The Witness. At that time, a CIA agent. Mr. Triplett. And who was the agent? The Witness. Do I have to tell you? Well, I've got nothing to hide. I'm sorry I even said that. The year, I don't recall the year, but I don't ‘know whether I called this party or the party called me. Anyway we got together and in gétting together, I was either asked at his home or at a restaurant, whether I would be interested in doing a domestic ‘assassination. And that surprised me. ALOERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. 92
Mr. Triplett. Who was this person? The Witness. — Barker, | r. Triplett. “And approximately when? Bo you recall? | | othe Witness. No. Idon't recall. i Mr. rriplett. “Can you put it in a frame of. reference, after you returned from Cuba? Before i or after the “Bay of Pigs? | me’ Witness. “This is the problem. It was after | I -camie from Cuba. . I don't. recall what year. Whether | it was before or tees the Bay of Pigs. I honestly | 4 don' t recall. se Oo | ; a . 1 aia tell. ‘Sam Jenis about. this. and he kind of | laughed and she said. really, ‘you've got to. be kiading., ; Well, find out. So, I pursued it. I told Barker, I said yes, I oo do it, a domestic assassination. But first I've 200 7TH STREET, SS.) REPORTERS BUTLDING; CASHTNGTON, B.C, 20026 (202) S54-2345 ie to find out who. the person is; _Then he started 19 jauestioning ne, well, how would you go. about it and. 20 fs forth, “and L said hey, you ‘know, it all depends ee reer 3] lon who the party is. OS | , : ; We ee So we went from there and I had a couple of © 8 meetings with ‘him pertaining to that. Then finally 4 a was told to. pin him down and. say hey, - I will not 25 ido it unless. I get word from his control office. ' And i i / ALCERSON REPORTI NG COMPANY, ING. DocId: 32252529 Page 93
ho | | | 4 | be -| + . | Qo a7 7 = i S 8. Se . ce | = 10 | S | = i = ili < | *= 12 4 oy | = t So 13 | 3 | Pe i = 1g | a \7 | eS - |] ii 4 cig] J & |. = 19 | ~ ‘ c | s 20 | | a4 Pas aA | 23 | Docld: 32252529, nm Page that's. what I did. I said, until your ‘gontiol officer officer. He never. came back. Se ————— re ——————————— an ; he never mentioned. it after. that particular incident. “And I'd been in touch with him up until the day of .came back and told me whether or not he wanted me to Sn ee en ‘the party is, depending on how I would do it. If it's - or welll get an airplane or boat and do it out here -£rom his mouth that this is national security business. Ana rt would want to know who the party is, depending “on how I would do this particular operation, you know. 92 sits down with: me and tells me ‘that he. wants: a domestic assassination done, then I would do: it. But ‘through you, ‘no: es want! ‘another verification from your control Mr. Triplett. ‘Did he ever talk to his control officer? The.Witness. Evidently he must have, because Watergate, our problems with Watergate. And he never go ahead and continue, you know, whatever the domestic assassination was. . Because I said I want to know who going to be domestic, it's pretty. hot stuff, you know. So I told Barker, well, go to the Everglades, you dig a hole, put: lye in there and buryythe. guy in the Gulf, you know, blow the boat up and so forth. But I said before T actually do it, I want your control ‘officer to sit down-with me and Tr want it ALSERSON RESORTING COMPANY, INC. 94
WASHTHGTON, D.C. We. $ Docld: 32252529 2n02% (202) $54-2345 REPORTERS SUTLDING, 300 7TH STREET, nN de i> qd. wo Page Se ————————————————————————— Because you've got to kidnap the guy.. Mr. Triplett. and who was the party he wanted killed? | The Witness. I don't know. He never told me. Mr. Triplett. Did he offer you any money or “any facilities for the purpose of doing this? The Witness. No. It never got to that point. In other words, after Tt told ‘Ain, you know, that I “would have to sit down with his control officer, the thing never developed into anything else. anyone else, or by Mr. Barker, for the. purpose of Killing. anybody: else. domestically? The ‘witness. Ho, , Mr. Triplett. only that one time? "The, Witness.” “yes: Just that one time. anybody for the purpose of killing: somebody outside - of the country? “The Witness. Since I ve jem en Mr. Triplett. specifically Fidel Castro? The Witness. Oh, with Fidel, yes. Yes. Mr. Triplett. Well, that's killing somebody. . The Witness. I'm sorry. I'm awfully sorry. “Well, Marita Lorenz, but naturally we're going ALDERSO? I REPORTING COMPANY. INC. 95 Mr. Triplett. Have you ever been contacted by Mr. Triplett. Have you ever been contacted by
20020 (202) S5H-2345 a.c, S.W. REPORTERS BUILDING, WASHINGTON, 300 7TH STREET, Docld: 32252529 4. te i) we tn 94 back I think what, about '60 or ‘61. That's about it. | Mr. Triplett. Just: one occasion, or more than one occasion? The Witness. One occasion. That's poison. Mr. Triplett. And again, who contacted you “for that purpose? — The Withess. For that particular purpose who contacted me to go ahead and set this thing up? No -one at all. Just the Cuban groups, you know, here ourselves, trying to go ahead and do penetration work inside of Cuba. We were going to try t6 kill Fidel naturally. | Mr. Triplett. So it was a joint: decision of which you were a part? | | The Witness. A joint decision. Mr. Triplett. well, whose idea was it? The Witness. Yeah, it was a joint decision to -go ahead and try to kill Castro naturally. Which continues until this day. The only exception is that I'm not involved today and haven't been for the last number of years to do anything like that against Castro. | | = Mr. Triplett. How many times since you came back from Cuba have you been involved in planning or attempting an assassination on Castro? ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC.
| The Witness, How. many times? Well, going 1 pack. many | years ago r r ‘would: think that after. ‘the nin of Pigs, invasion, maybe shortly after that, a OP more or: less lost. interest because (Of not having. $) the proper’ financing. ti ofder to do that 3 you have © me He * ce 3 s| to have proper financing, to ‘kill Fidel. 7 Bp ra say, the. Bay ‘of Pigs failed , and T may a ee tried after’ 1963 because of the President ' s° a 7] assassination because 1 was: very bitter about that. a il. ; z..10 fo i nnd: ea felt, from. as” early 1964, that. the | re 0 = 1 ppetanae was. assassinated, that Castro’ 's intelligence = 1Z | service was -was ‘one. OF ‘Others that. ‘was ‘behind the killing a | of: the: Presidents: : ‘And ° natirally ny, feeling | was. 1 et st + | conttsscue revenge | against the friends, that he i { executed and would. be. feeling that. he. _was involved” REPORTERS. BUSLDING, “ 16 jan the willing of the President. som | S, "ur. triplett. “So hiow many times aid. you attempt, fol as a ; : : ie plan to kill Castro?” | | BO “The Witness. on, I “would say about, not. counting | ; Fl oe Marita, Lorenz” thing at’ the | very ‘beginning, I would eee here in the, ‘Unitea: ‘states, probably about two RLF times two: or ‘three times, approximately. mat | Mr. triplett. . ‘And who. else was involved. with, you. on ‘these two. or. ‘three, occasions? ‘The Witness. Myselt and a. number of Cuban groups : = a aka T) bat van - ALDERSON REPORTING © CIAPANY, ING. Docld: 32252529 Page 97
here in town that eventually left, or probably. are Ww - living in Venezuela, are Venezuelan citizens, or Mexico’ and Central’ America. . de Mr. Triplett.’ Again‘ you mentioned groups. It had to be individual: people. | ay ‘The Witness. Well,. individual people who had their own groups. — “he a 202% (202) -$54-2345 ———————————————————— = 5 “Mr. Triplett. Who were these individual .c 9 people? I want their names.. 10 The Witness.,-Oh? Well, that's pretty tough because of the years that went by and.the connections WASHINGTON, that we have had. My goodness. ‘ Qa {SI ae of . . 5 a Mr. Triplett. How about Orlando Bosch? s “| > The Witness. Orlando Bosch, yeah. cs a : 13 | . Mr. Triplett. . How about Louise Posada? : 16 ' The Witness. Louise Posada? I don't know” a 7 whether’ I know Louise Posada. “Louise Posada?’ But. 2 ‘3 Orlando Bosch, yes. 3. - | ] | | | ZO | ‘Mr. Triplett. Did you ever discuss the = 20 | assassination of Fidel Castro or plan the | —_ . = | |) assassination of Fidel.Castro with any official | of the United States Government? The Witness. No, sir. Not here. When: I a8 Ad | | | left Cuba and came here, .no. mane ae : } an co : : : ; . . | Mr. Triplett. How. about an FBI Agent named ; . - , . 7 . ‘ . * ! i ; ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld: 322525279 Page 96
Frank O'Brien? No The Witness. O'Brien? I don't recall Frank 4a O'Brien. But more or less, over the past years, de the FBI has been in touch with me. But I don't no. You know, straight out. | if i | i = 5 recall me discussing anything about killing Fidel i : 2 6] with any FBI agents. & 7 Mr. Triplett. You say you don't recall, or | 3 3 | never did? | cS The Witness. I don't recall. | e i | = 10 | Mr. Triplett. So you may have? 7 a | = \ ; i eB tt The Witness. It's possible. Again I will say | a x | ~ 12 | that I've been involved in so many things in the 3 ! past years that I could not say, you know, yes or It . 14 | Mr. Triplett. Have you ever planned, or been REPORTERS BUTELDING, contacted by other people for the purpose of = | ° " | assassinating somebody outside this country other | en ae | : | than Fidel Castro? é | ‘The Witness. Other than Fidel Castro? No. | | = 2 a Mr. Triplett. Like maybe a Central or South | ee | American President or Dictator, or Raul Castro? | pe 2 The Witness. Well, the Castro brothers, including! 7 Chang, = have naturally went to various countries | 24 | | | | ‘and naturally there are always conspiracies going on with some of the Cuban exiles that would like to ALDERSON RESORTING COMPANY, ING, DoclTd:32252529 Page 99 |,
really nail these people. Mr. Triplett. I'm talkingaabout you: specifically? The witness. Myself specifically? Well, = | nave heard through omy associations with various & ) Cubans in the past of wanting. to go ahead and try 5 7 ‘to, you know, kill them on certain visits that they S 8 “had taken from Cuba to certain other countries. But 9 ‘for myself specifically to. be involved in trying to z 10 do it, I don' t recall that me myself did any. -Planning = i | stage, you know, trying to kill Castro. = 12 And to be honest with you, if there was a plan a 2 to do it, I would certainly get myself involved because : ¢ |. i’ hate the man. I would have no hesitation. : 13 ~ Mr. Triplett. tn other words you' re not . S| adverse. to that sort. of plan? “Even today? Is that : 7 what you re saying? | oe | 7 s The Witness. Well, “let me say this. - rt won't OY say that because I'm much older today. “Much older = 20 and much wiser and you can't buck the systen. And if Uncle Sam says don't touch the man, well then you \aon't touch the man. So I don't touch him. “Mr. Triplett. Okay. ho Let's get back to the time when you were in- 5: 44 Cuba. What relationships did you have, if any, with ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld:32252529 Page 100,
t 1 | | | | 2 | | + | | 0 “ H i | > Ot S 7 S { ~ GF | é 2 & = 1] | = 32 | = i =z 13 | = - = a | = = le. - | BG n 7 | S18 | é | n { =z OIF | = | S .20.| | | 2h ORT, i! aan “ze | 25! + : fe ot _ the casinos, or the casino owners?: “the Witness.. I believe at one of the staff meetings that I had with Castro, it was either at the Air Force Base or the Prime Minister's office, and it might have been as early as February, Castro. wanted me to help Pasternita Nunez, who was -a woman that was in the mountains with me, or I was with them in the mountains. “she ‘was a minister and all this control came under her. So Fidel wanted me to help her because of the confusion in Government that was going -on as early as. February: So I, representing the Cuban Government, assisted Pasternita-in the, well say control for the Government, of the casinos. I believe there was approximately, maybe 22 casinos at that particular time. My job was, for Castro, to make sure, as he was changing everything around, to make sure that ‘only a set amount of tables in each casino would be operational and that each one of these tables had to have the Government. tax stamp on the tables. And “my job was to make sure that for instance, the Havana Hilton was a big room there and they had X amount of tables, roulette, black jack, this, that and so. forth, that they would have to have each table with a tax stamp, and my job was to make sure; that that was ALCERSON RESORTING COMFANY, INC. . Docld: 32252579 Page 101 ; 99
TON, x 4 REPORTERS BUTEDING, WASHINE S.W. 300 ITH STREET, Docld: 32252529 D.C, 2N024 (202) S54-2345 . done. | that you were with the Air Force in Cuba? ever worked in any. of the.- casinos? ‘owned any. gambling ‘casinos, in my whole life. ‘of the people who. owned casinos at that time? 100 Mr. Triplett. And-this was at the same time . The Witness. Yeah. | Right. lr. Triplett; ‘naa’ you) previous to that time, fp the Witness. rT have never worked, nor have I oe Mr. Triplett. Had you ever worked for any The Witness. No. Never in my. haa life. No. None whatsoever.. ‘The only contact I ever had. with either casino operators or the management is when I would gO. on an inspection tour to inepect the tables in the rooms and .so forth- for the ‘Government. “And: that wasn't too many times because I had my other ‘duties. Mr. Triplett. So you're ‘saying you were essentially an inspector and tax regulator? The Witness.: Yeah. To make sure they .keep everything honest. Mr. Triplett. Did you have any. personal or || social connections. with any of the people. ‘that: were involved with the ‘casinos? The Witness. Social, no. .But I've had personal ALSERSON REPCRTIN G COMPANY, INC. ye 1020
1 | 2 | | -$ | 0 | = q os) - | ~ 3 8 a : 1 a 7 | - area, o 8} Loony ee, JF | c ~ 10 | So | Pa ' g | = iyi et 5 = | = 12) table = 14 | and I * | 7 yr. - zi i i 2 "| ow n . = If jf ~ 4 c he? 22 aN Docld: 32252529 1 | i i ' Page 103 — contact with them because as I went to the casinos I introduced myself, who I was. Naturally had to ‘have -my identification.” I used to have my uniform on, but after awhile Fidel said that anybody who would go to. the casinos -- that was one of the rules that - anybody in uniform had to keep out of the casinos “but not in the. gambling area. So I had to change my clothes from my | military uniform to omy civilian ‘I.used to go to the casinos and go up to the crap I. ,would grab the dice and Ir would look at the dice and so forth. These | are things I would do. They would be very angry at me for Going : it. Mr. triplett. How ‘aia ‘you go about checking | | ee dice?- c ‘With the eee, you know, they could be ‘shaved | : way and so forth and they ‘could Switch dice and so forth, and I wasn! t really up to that. Because Fidel 24 lacked me to come to the United States, if possible, 101 the gambling area. They could go to the clubs, clothes and then I went and identified myself. Because and I"d grab, if Somebody would roll the dice, would say excuse me, I" m just | checking the dice The Witness. ‘Well, I know something, a little and have ~ mercury in them where ‘they would fall a certain jto. go ahead: and get some people who knew about gambling SERSON REP ORT: NG COMPANY, ING.
know, electronically and so forth. So I was going to go ahead and do that, but unfortunately I didn't have 102 | and who knew about how to do the roulette wheel, you | | | time to do that, to get the proper people to work for { | | i | | | | | z 3 ‘the Cuban Government in order that the tables would be, | t : 3 6 you know, operated in a legal manner. g 7 . And naturally there came a day where Fidel é $4 ordered me to go ahead and close the casinos for ten ; 9 days, which he wanted to put them out of business, [out = 10 which he did do for ten days. 2 1 | Mr. Triplett. And you personally closed the a = 12 | casinos for ten days? g : 5 12 | The Witness. ‘well, I notified the casino -- I = 14 | did not notify the casino operators -- but I notified x : 15 the inspectors that the casinos were going to be : lé | closed on a certain day. So naturally, Pasternita “ 17 | Nunez, who was the minister, sent out the memorandum e& | ts z ie | form to the casino operators that the casinos were z ig | seins to be closed. And they got furious about it. S a | ; When the order came about, that day it was “closed, naturally inspectors with troops went to the a i rn ry “casinos and made sure that the doors were locked and nobody could enter the casino rooms to do gambling. iy as re) re Then the next thing that followed that actually, Ww in was big demonstrations of the families of the casino ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Docld:32252529 Page 104 -
103 | | | i operators -- not operators -- but ‘the casino workers | | because they had a union there. So. they had a | 3 i peaceful demonstration and Fidel: was forced, ten “| | aays later, to reopen the’ casinos. = so 7 Mes Triplett. Did any of the mee ee ote 3 é || personally complain to. > you? | g 7| The: Witness. No. “During this period of time a Ss a I had no contact with the casino operators because” | G $ | again Iwas involved in _ these other things that I | a ih - . z 10 lw was doing for the Cuban Government. | 2 ne oe Triplett. But you were occasionally at | 5 | - = 2) the < casinos inspecting? | co - - ; - /- The’ ‘Witness. ‘oh, "yeah. | : td OME. Triplett.” So you at’ least knew them? - : 13 7 “the Witness. I “knew ‘some of ‘them, yeah. Because | = 1s there were” so many, ‘people who had pieces. of. ‘the operatidn “ 17 | or whatever. | | z i Mr. Triplett. So dia any of them ever complain | E 19 to you of this ten day closing? mo a , | | | SO, - = 20 | The. Witness. — Well: I, at one time, had a | at meeting with Fidel, a Staff meeting, and Fidel told | Ey : i —_ og a Ya | me that he. was going to close the casinos. He was i : : BO 2 going to run the God-Damned gangsters out of Cuba. nm Shs i i . i This is what he told me. il Ww tn So “during -the Process ‘of. ‘the times that. iT went a 4  MEDERSON REPORTING COMPANY. INC. . me] Docld: 322525279 Page “105 °
\ 104 | | to do my inspections, I told a- number of the people, 2) whether it was an operator of the casino or whether 3 | ae was the management, you know, that was there, that - hey, Fidel is going to ‘go ahead and close the casinos ~ 5 a and so forth. They didn't believe it. = 7 | os The Witness. Well, I.can say one of them was : 3 | Santos Trafficante one time. twas at the -- what ¢ 9 | the hell casino. was Tat. -= and Fidel's sister was z 10 | there with this movie actor, John -- the one who E iz | played wild Bill Hickcock --. 80 she called me over. = 12) the. younger sister. Fidel's younger sister. And : 13 I sat down ana Trafficante came over and I got up : * | peceust I knew he was one of the operators of this g + | particular casino. _And so I got aside with him and =. 8 jar told hin, I said, Mr. Trafficante, I had a meeting. 7 | wit Castro and he said he was going to. go ahead and. : | nationatize all American business interests and he. ; € '? las going to run’ the God-Damned gangsters, or the fe me ae . Met | 8, | gambiing operators out of Cuba.. wR Mr. Triplett. okay. | pee 2 Who else did you tell this to, if you recall? _. The Witness. Well, I.told'a Mr. Hymie Levine _ (phonetic). He was there. - And I. believe that's about all because very shortly, a few days later, naturally be o So oe ALDERSON AESORTING Eomeany. INC. Docld:32252529 Page 106 ;
‘co 30n ITH STREET, Suu. REPORTERS BUTLDING, WASHENGTON, O.C, 29024 (202) S5%-23"5 \. °, a ile Docld: 32252529 nh re] of the. owners or operators complain. to you about ‘the "contact with them. When they were reopened again throughout. the casinos, all the different casinos. “lest the 30th of June 1959. 105 the things were closed. Mrs Triplett. When they. were closed, did any. closing? The Witness. No.. Because I haa no further I was seeing to my duties elsewhere. They were so heavy on me, that my inspectors continually worked Mr. Triplett. How long were you actually. a ‘casino. inspector? The Witness. Well I would say from February ‘antil June when I left.” That was it. Because I Mr. Triplett. “when: you left ‘the 30th. of June, that was sometime after the ten day closing you previously described? - The Witness: ‘Oh, yeah, sure. Mr. Triplett. During this period of five or so ‘months that you were a casino inspector, did “you have occasion to make any deals with any of | the operators or owners of the casinos? The Witness. .I never made any deals whatsoever with anyone.. None whatsoever. . Because when: I came over here, you must understand, my activities here did ALBERSON REPORTING COMPANY, INC. Page 107