v9.1 AGENCY : RECORD NUMBER : RECORD SERIES : AGENCY FILE NUMBER : ORIGINATOR : FROM: TO: TITLE: DATE: PAGES: SUBJECTS : DOCUMENT TYPE : CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : CURRENT STATUS : DATE OF LAST REVIEW : OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : HW 50529  Docld: 322746610 JFK Assassination System. Date: Identification Form Agency Information HSCA 180-10075-10168 NUMBERED FILES 010136 Document Information HSCA PENA, OREST SWORN TESTIMONY OF OREST PENA 06/23/1978 36 AANTI-CASTRO ACTIVITIES OSWALD, LEE, POLITICAL AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES FBI, ADMINISTRATION DE BRUEYS, WARREN TRANSCRIPT Unclassified Consulted Withhold 07/22/1993 ONE COPY. BOX 187. Page 1 10/1/201
oe wh i pen -23 24 25 UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS | } ve Hale Boggs Federal Building Room 125 7 500 Camp Street | New Orleans, Louisiana Friday, June 23, 1978, 3:00 p.m. ’ APPEARANCES: Robert Genzman House Select Committee on Assassinations House Annex #2 . , Room 3371 Washington, D. C. 20515 _SWORN TESTIMONY OF OREST PENA HW 50529 DocId:32246610 Page 2 Century Reporters, inc. fen «ee ANA
HW 50529 20. 21 22 23 Docld: 34246610 Page 3 pursuant to the laws of the United States. | stand and raise your right. hand? MR, GENZMAN: My name is Robert Genzman, and I am a Staff Counsel to the House Select Committee on | | Assassinations. I have been designated counsel empowered to take statements under oath, pursuant to the House Resolution 222 and. Committee Rule 4. t would ask the Magistrate to identity himself | and to state that h he. is. authorized to administer oaths _ - MAGISTRATE JOHANNESEN: I am Ingard O. Johannesen, United States Magistrate for the Bastern District of Louisiana. and I am authorized by the statutes to administer oaths in ‘this district. | MR. GENZMAN: Would you please swear the witness? MAGISTRATE JOHANNESEN: Would you please "Do you swear the answers and. testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and. “nothing but the ‘truth, ‘so help. you God? | | i. MR. _OREST : PENA: It do. | whereupon, OREST PENA having been duly sworn by Magistrate Ingard 0. Johannesen, a Magistrate Judge in and for the State of Louisiana, Century Reparters, Inc. (733) 464-0003
50529 BY MR. GENZMAN: 4 | Q 5 | the record? 6h 0 A. 7 | - Q 3 | - A io i a) A ig |) yourself? | | testified as follows: EXAMINATION Mr. Pena, would you state your full name for Orest Pena. What is your address? Sixty-one hundred Argonne Boulevard, New | 9 | Orleans, Louisiana, 70124. Have you been given a copy of our Committee Rules and House Resolutions 222, 433 and 7602 Yes. Would you please read Committee Rule 4 to. Yes. I did read it already. Do: you..understand it? Yes, I do. Mr. Pena, are you making this statement Is it true that you are not under subpoena No, I am not. For the record, I want to advise you that you 13 | A. | 16 | Qo 7 | A. 19 voluntarily? — 20 | m Yes. 99 for this statement? 23 ! A. QO 24 || 28. Docld:32246610 Page 4 || have the right to have counsel present. Do you have Century Fegerters, Inc. {713} 464-0003
counsel present? 2 | A. No, I don't. I don't want any. 3 | Q The entire record of this statement under oath @ 4} will be transcribed. You will be sent the original and asked 5} to sign and verify it. You should return the signed and 6 | verified copy of the transcript to the Committee. The 7 Committee will then provide you with a copy of it. 8 “If. when you are sent the original transcript Ww 9 | to sign and verify, you desire to make any changes for --eu- d — 10 reason, you. should contact me and I will make the necessary ll | arrangements to have you initial or make any changes that you 12 desire to make. 13 — ‘At this time, Mr. Pena, I would like to show ‘14 || you a document labeled JFK Exhibit No. 94. Have you hada 15 chance to read this document? 16 | A °)0:*“‘<‘NS, «I did | Oo | 7 : 9 ' Do you understand it? | | | 18 A, Yes, it is the same. one you explained to me 19 ‘that I will not be punished for giving knowledge that I have 79 ||. about the CIA. 2 «I | Q . Yes, this is a letter from the Central >» || Intelligence Agency to the Chairman of the House Select 23. || Committee on Assassinations, the Honorable Louis Stokes 9 | a 24 | dated March 23, 1978gwhich deals with the release from CIA —— 95 secrecy agreements. . ; — Century Heparters, Ine. HW 50529. Docld:3?246610 Page 5 | 0743) 464-0003
his office and told him I had some information for him. He» no came to my place of business and I gave him the information. & 3 | I never did ask him what he did with) what he found out. It @ 4 |] was my duty to give it to him and what he did was none of my 5 || business. é QQ Were you ever paid for any of the information 7 | which you provided to the FBI? BT A. - I.never was. paid a single penny. Plus the FBI ReFrvgee . on SArs? - ' 9 | brought me a lot of Cubans that was stow away. They brought — were UP oe ; | them. to me at my place of business and told me to give them 11 | a- room and board and find a job. Some of those people still 12 live here in New Orleans which I can give you the names and @ -. 43 | prove it was true that the FBI and Immigration brought | 14 them to me to help them and they would pay for whatever had 15 to be done. I never gave them a bill because I thought that | \ 16 was doing something good for the OR States and something TJAROWIN YD 17 || good for the cause of Grawing Castro away from Cuba. 18 | ., Q I believe you stated earlier that you gave 19 | your information to FBI Special Agent Warren C. de Brueys.. 29 | bua you ever provide information to any other FBI agents 3} before the assassination of President Kennedy? | ® a9 a Warren C. de Brueys was the FBI agent that was 33 assigned to me. He gave me the phone and every time I called 24 to the FBI office, I asked for Warren C. de Brueys. I said ) 95 | I was told to ask for him, that he would be the one to take HW 50529 DocId:3?246610 Page 8 Century Reporters, Inc.
LoS) nN 2] 22° 23 24 25 i HW 50529 DocId: 32246610 Page 93 care of whatever I had to tell the FBI. He was the one that used to come to my place of business. After the assassination, a lot ae FBI used the & to come to my place of business which I had aname$ they used | to come to aggravate and to give me a hard time and tell me to go to the office because the boss wanted to talk to me and asking me about the same questions over and over and over until I got very tired. I called my attorney which at that ME h AMCRATRAFFIC € OUR t-sd ge | time was Dave MehewaT®, called George; and exslained to ; SS €- mehAken 7 10 MeHeward what the FBI was. doing to me and he told me to go and s see the lawyer that worked at his office, his private office. So I. went and talked to John Tanbargyy and John Tambarella told me, "Go back to your hosue and get thee names of those FBI and bring it to me and I am going to have something to work out, something to. call somebody and tell who they are." — 7 oe | OP: HOPS €. So I came back to the oSEsce and the next | norning two FBI came _to my place of business, waked me up very early and told me. . they wanted to take me to the office _ | of the FBI, the ‘boss wanted to talk to me.. I said, "Yes. But before I go you have to give me your name." They told me their names. I dic-not wie it. I said, "You have to ; give me your govenment identification." So they gave it to me and I put their names and I hold their names. The next day, same thing happened. I took the j Century Reparters, (ne. IF at aaa nana
oN XM | name again and I took eight names of eight different FBI agents. Then I went to Mr. John Tambarella and gave it to John Tambarella and John Tambarella called the FBI, the special FBI agency and explained what was happening, that Mr. Pena, that is me, said, "If they don't quit harassing me I'will file charges in federal court against the FBI of the United States." 2 Do you remember how many times you spoke to Warren Cc. de Brueys and gave him information? | A Many, Many, Many times. Sometimes Warren C. de Brueys used to come to iy place of business too deing some kind of investigation and ealking to all the customers. He used to come and talk to custoners. Q Did you ever meet with ur. de Brueys at any other location besides your place of business? | A Yes, I met with him at the FBI office and I saw him and talked a little pit at the Cuban Revolutionary Front office. At the Balter. Building was the name of. the building where the office was on Camp Street all the way to St. Charles was a building with an alley in the front. The» building had three or four different entrances. So I saw him and I talked to him at the office of the Cuban Revolutionary Front which Arcacha was there among other members. Q Mr. Pena, have you ever acted in any capacity : io : ~ ; ' e HW 50529 Docld: 32246610 Page 10 Century Heparters, Ine. meal aga nnna
25 HW 50529 Docld:324246610 Page 11) 10 for any other government agency? A. Yes, I did for another United States agency. Q What was that agency? . | A I would not tell you, Qo What is your reason for keeping the name of the agency secret? A. My reason is if I cannot prove the truth of: | what happened with Warren C. de Brueys which to me is the most important person in the Kennedy assassination, why should I give any other. allegations? If I cannot prove something that I worked for the man, that I reported to the man, if I cannot prove those things, why should I put some- thing else? Q- - Are you saying that if you.can prove certain allegations concerning Warren C. de Brueys, you would then reveal a relationship with another government agency? A I. do it this way for the United States. I give all my Constitutional rights. I would get a lie test, whatever the government thinks is right. me) a Are. you speaking of.a polygraph examination? | DO OF . A. Any of those that you want too. If you ask me if I work with the PBI -- Warren C. de Brueys told me before, about a week or ten days more or less before I went to testify to the Warren Commission that if I talk about him he | will get rid of my ass. Century Heparters, inc. (713) 464-0003
10 14 15 18 19 20° 21 © - 22 25 HW 50529 Docld:$2246610 Page 12 Q We will get into that issue. , » You can ask me if I was ever an informant for any other agency in the world, but two agencies in the United | States. One was the FBI and one more. Then if I am right, the government will have to.force Warren C. de Brueys to take the same tests I take. Q Mr. Pena, do you have any information as to whether Lee Harvey Oswald was ever an FBI informant? A. Oswald usec to go to a restaurant on the Decatur and Iberville. The name of the owner was Mr. Pedro, a Greek, and Mr. Oswald used to go to the restaurant in the morning with other federal agents from the Customs House Building. To prove that I was there, that I saw Oswald, that . i 4% I saw all those agents drinking coffee, having breakfast in the restaurant in the inorning, I will name -- I have more than one but I will name one mame right now. Mr. Victor Perez which lived in Altoona, Florida, Zip Code 32702. | This man was a bar operator in the 200 block t . of pecatur dnd we used to go in the morning and talk about business and we was watching and looking at all the federal. agents which we knew very well because many of these federal | agents speak Spanish and others was married to scme Soanish women that I knew. Q Who specifically was with Oswald on these occasions? Pantuey Ranertare Tre
a 12 A. ' I cannot: say such-and-such a person was with: him or talking to him but I knew his face. I knew the face of a lot of the other agents from the Customs House Buildin that go to the restaurant there and I saw them together having breakfast together at the restaurant. Q. Did you ever see Oswald in the presence of Warren de Brueys? | A | r'a better don't answer this question right » now. Q My question, ur. Pena, is whether you ever saw Lee Harvey Oswald at any restaurant or any other location with Warren D. de Brueys? | A Yes, I will testify that.Warren C. de Brueys being at the Pedro, the Greek restaurant on Decatur and Iberville at.the same:time that Oswald: was. at..the restaurant | ‘in the company of other federal agents. Q Do you know the name of that restaurant? A . I do not. know the name of the restaurant but | the restaurant, the owner of the restaurant was Mr. Pedro ~ and we used. to call him Pedro the Greek. a | ‘Did. you ever observe Oswald and de Brueys ‘speaking to each other? A. I cannot answer that question. If I cannot prove myself what de Brueys did to me, how am I going to prove other things? 50529 DocId:3P246610 Page 13 Century Reparters, Inc.
HW 50529 23 24 25 DoclId: 39246610 Page 14 oi My question :-is, Mr. Pena, do you recall ever' seeing Oswald and de Brueys speaking together or acting in such a way that you would think that they knew each other? A I believe they knew each other very, very well.) Q Can you explain why you believe Oswald and de Brueys knew each other very well? A - My belief, I would have to report in as. informant to Mr. de Brueys, I have to report myself to Mr. de Brueys and that is my point of view on that question. | When Oswald was transferred to palias, Mr. Warren C. de Brueys was transferred to Dallas, Texas at - the same time. Q _ Do you know when Oswald went to Dallas and Mr. de Brueys went to Dallas? | A No, I do not know when Oswald went to Dallas but I know when Warren C. de Brueys went to Dallas because . he came to my place of business and told me that I do not have to call him any more at his office because he was transferred to. Dallas. | | g Bé"you know whether de Brueys was transferred | to Dallas after the assassination of President Kennedy? OAL - If am very sure. I am very, very, very sure it was before the assassination. | | | °Q Are you aware that de Brueys was in Dallas after the assassination to help with the FBI investigation Century Reparters, inc. (71a) 464-c003
505279. at 20 2) 22 DoclId:3 i of the assassination of President Kennedy? A. I do not know anything about that. Q Is it your recollection then that de Brueys left New Orleans and went to Dallas before the assassination of President Kennedy? A. Yes, sir. o Do you feel that the fact that de Brueys went to Dallas -had_te—de- before the assassination of. President Kennedy and before Oswald himself was killea® fad. za” he That is for you to find out. ee — . -_ a, . wrk The ‘ OO - Do you have any opinion on. this? : A Do you make any investigation about the camp to train Cubans to go fight Castro for the Bay of Pigs? Those Cubans were training in New Orleans under the command of the FBI and the CIA. I can talk this way because I had FRewnWd. three or four of my customers, people that used to live in my hotel or rooming house that went and took the training here. a. Is there a connection between the training of Cubans in New Orleans and the assassination of President Kennedy? re 1 am very sure, yes, six. Oo Could you be more specific? A, ‘Yes. One of the men that was training was a ‘Cadre to train all the other Cubans, was avery smart man. believe he was a Captain in the Cuban Army during the Batista Century Heparters, Ine. 2246610 Page 15 . (713) 464-0003
ro 20 21 22 24 HW 50529 DoclId: 3#246610 Page 16 23 t i i i { i | | | | | 15 EZ regime. His name was Juan Ilario Caballero, alias gel- Guajiro. This man right now, he did not die yet, is in Texas State Prison, Huntsville, Texas for killing somebody in Texas. This man is married to a lady in New Orleans that has a daughter which I know very, very well. | This man several times before the death of President Kennedy when he got drunk in my place of business, © he was very mad at the President. A lot of times, more than a dozen times, he said in Spanish that the only way was to get rid of that son-of-a-bitch, that means the President of the United States. | He's got one more brother who was a high rank in the Cuban Army during the Batista regime and he was Cadre in the training camp the CIA got here. And he got a cousin that looks similar to Oswald. I cannot remember the name of the cousin or the brother but Juan Ilario Caballero will tell | you. If you go to the State Texas Prison in Huntsville and | ask Juan Caballero who was his cousin and his brother, then. we are going to start something about the death of President. Kennedy. 0. ' Mr. Pena, let's return to the questions involving the contacts -which you saw Oswald had with ware | C. de Brueys. Can you explain any reasons which Heemight have which led you to believe that Oswald was de Brueys' informant? Century Reporters, Inc. (FR AAA i
H { WW 50529 DocId: 39246610 Page 17 Century Heparters, inc. coming to see Carles Bringier and offering his services to ~ n A I better not say anything else. More or less, | I told you I knew Oswald. When Oswald was giving propaganda in favor of Cuba at the old International Trade Mart, I was there, Q I will get into Oswald's activities in New | Orleans just a bit later. can you offer any other reasons which have led you to believe Oswald was an FBI informant? | A. t cannot ge back. We would have to bring Mr. Carlos Bringier because Oswald went to Carlos Bringier | and tried to fight in favor of the Cubans so we would have on | Q Do. you. want to add anything concerning Oswald's) , | to come back to the same thing and that doesn't matter. Carles Bringier to train anti-Castro Cubans? A. Between carlos Bringier and Oswald, the only. thing else I want to talk is about the fight they got into on Canal street." - | Q “Do you: have any specific reasons which have. led you to believe Oswald was an FBI informant? For instance,|_ did you ever see Oswald and de Brueys entering the restaurant together or leaving the restaurant together? | A. I cannot say entering the restaurant but I saw Oswald and de Brueys, Mr. David Smith, Mr. Rogue from the Immigration Department and other government agents leaving
HW 50529 ot nh no in DoclId i { a4 i i i 132246610 Page 18 17 . . | the restaurant and going to the Customs House Building which | at that time was an office for different kinds of government agencies. Q Did Oswald ever accompany this group either when they entered or left the restaurant? 7 AL Yes, he did and I got Mr. Perez that I gave you the address on to.prove it. Q -Did..Oswald act like he knew any of this group which came into the restaurant frequently? A Yes, they knew each other very, very well. Q ‘Did you see him talking with any members of this group? | | A. _ Yes, they was talking. I can't say who was talking to whom. but. they was. talking and they was in the same group. Q - Did you ever see Warren de Brueys in particular talking with Lee Harvey Oswald? A I just. can't say that exactly. Q, Mr ., Pena, when did you first make the __ allegation that. Oswald was’an FBI:informant?: ~ A, I don't remember exactly. I went to the Warren) Commission. I was subpoenaed to go My the Warren Commission - want and I remember exactly that I went-to accuse Warren C. de Brueys because I believe that Warren Cc. de Brueys if he really wanted, he could save the life of President Kennedy. j Century Reporters, Inc.
4 oO Q. We will talk about your Warren Commission nm testimony later. 3 Do you recall making a public statement that - @ 4 Lee Harvey Oswald was an FBI informant around (1975? 2 | A. Yes, I still believe that he was an informant. a | Qo Do you recall making a statement on this issue | 7 | to CBS television? 8 i . A ; Yes, CBS, 9 es Do you. recall ever making this statement befor 10 that time publicly?. od. AL I talked to a lot of friends. A lot of people 12 have been talking ‘to me about the assassination of President | ) 83 Kennedy and I talked a lot and I told them I believe he was | . 14 an informer -- not informer, that he was an agent of the | 13 | United States government. | 16 QO Are you saying that Oswald was an agent of © 7 |. the United states? | 18 | A. ,in my, belief, ves, sir. 19 Q | Why did you wait so long to make public your. 20 allegation that Oswald was a U.S. government agent of some a}: Sort or an informant?, | AL Well, I tell you I did not wait very long. I went -~ when the Warren Commission subpoenaed me for the ‘ . . . 3 ; : i Warren Commission report, I went. I triea to talk. I believe 95 the name of the person in charge was Mr. Liebeler, if I am HW 50529 DocId: 32246610 Page 19 7 Century Renarters, ine,
t Yo} not wrong... | . . 2 Q Is that Mr. Liebeler? a | . . Jou. A Liebeler, yes, sir. r) 4 I told him I want to accuse Warren C. de Brueys 5 |} so you can see from this story that I have been trying to oN accuse this FBI agent.. At that time I was having in mind to 7 | accuse him of these Spanish Cubans that was training ina 8 | camp in New Orleans but when I saw Mr. Liebeler did not 9 | cooperate with me and did not let me talk, I said, "T might — - 19 ) as well Keep my mouth shut." I don't accuse anybody else but 1 Warren C. de Brueys. 12 Q. I believe you said earlier that when you testified before the Warren Commission, you felt that the FBI i4 i} Was intimidating you into giving a certain sort of testimony. 15 | . Did Warren de Brueys intimidate you? | i 16 | A Yes, sir. | 17 | . 0. In what way? 18 | A. A few days, I can't say one week or two weeks 19 | Or ten days, but a few days before I went to testify in the . 20 | Warren Commission, he came to my place of business at 117 - Decatur and called me to the table and told me he wanted to 2 | talk to me. I went to him because I used to talk to him 23 | almost every three or four days. He told me that if I talk a4 | anything about him he will get rid of my ass. 25 Q Why do you think he made this threat to you? | Century Reperters, lac. i743) 4£64-G003 HW 50529 Docld: 39246610 Page 270
29 : A Because in my belief he knew I was going to ' | | accuse him at the Warren Commission testimony. He was trying | 5 y ~ | to impress me not to do so which I went and I accused him and r 41 ot was having in mind to accuse the Cubans that was training 5 in New Orleans. When I saw what happened, how much they was S| covering it up, taking away, that I did not express myself about de Brueys so I. changed my mind and I did not say any- 8 | thing about the Cubans, the training camp in New Orleans. 9 Q Do- you, feel that. Warren de Brueys might have 10 | wanted to intimidate you to prevent you from saying that i Oswald was an FBI informant? | 12 | | A. Yes, could be too. ) 13 | ol Again,. Ir want to ask you why you waited so 14 long before you publicly stated that you had reason to 15 | believe that Oswald was an FBI informant? 16 | Ok. Iwrote to Mr. Lane. The letter came back one year or so later. I believe his name is Mark Lane. 18 a I went. to New York and I took the address of 19 the editor of his. book and I took some photostatic -- some. t. 20 | papers that I still. have, to him. 2) , | - Ir could not see him but his editor or one of |. the persons that worked in New York City, r believe Sixth 23.1 Avenue, told me that he would see that Mr. Mark Lane got 34 those papers. .Mr. Herold Weisberg came to me~too trying’ to HW 50529 DocId:32246610 Page 21 oe Century Repnrters, Inc. Peet ae AA
1 | get some information. Mr. Weisberg brought me some papers 2) from the Archives of the United States. Some of the papers 3 | he brought me from the Archives was one of the informants of |. © 4 | the FBI of the United States. The name of the person is 5 | Hector Jose Garcia. | Po 6 5 According to the Archives file, Mr. Hector Jose i . fs gs , . oto, ?7 | Garcia said that I am supposed to talk one night directly to 8 || Mr. Castro in Cuba. “I would like to offer myself again and 9 1} to bring Mr. Hector Jose Garcia and let both of us take a lie | 19 | test to see who is*right and who is wrong and then you will. i] see what the FBI is doing trying to discourage me. 12 | Q Mr. Pena, is there any substantiation for your | © . 13 | allegation that Oswald was an FBI informant? Can you offer 14 i any other proof that Oswald was an PBI informant? 15 \ ; A. I will not talk anything else about it. This 16} matter, it would be more to talk about but this matter, we. 7 have to come to something else who is Sergio Arcacha Smith ig | and the office at the Balter Building. 19 - @ I did not understand that. 2 | a 7s 5 ; The offices of Sergio Arcacha Smith and the | 7 FBI -- when all this matter is straightened up then we will wy | talk about some other offices in the same Balter Building. © 73 . 4 . ‘What about? | , 24 | = A. Some other offices in the same Balter Building where the federal government was working. 5 HW 50529 DocId: 32246610 Page 22 Century Teporters, fac. (FIAl AR 4-0003
to NO | 7 It is another office in the Balter Building... 2 | You better leave it like that, like it is. I do not want to 3 go any farther. 4 |l Q Do you have anything else to offer on the .. 5 “allegation that Oswald was an FBI informant? 6 | A Not right now. 7 | Q. I would like to ask you questions concerning g | Lee Harvey Oswald's. activities in New orleans. Did you have 9 | occasions to observe Oswald in New Orleans? | 10 AL Yes,.I did, sir, besides the restaurant 1} | activity. | 12 | ee Did. you see him passing out Fair Play for 13 | Cuba pamphlets in.New Orleans? e vn er. _¥es, sir. I saw in front of the old 15 | International Trade Mart in the 100 block of Camp Street. 16 |-t saw him fighting with Mr. Carlos Bringier on Canal Street 17 | which after the police got there and arrested both of them, ig | Mr. Oswald and Mr. Bringier and took them to jail, I went to 19 Mr. Carlos Bringier's place of business and I talked to his 99 brother-in-law. His name is Commandante Pelaec. He was a big name in the Cuban Army. 2) 59 Commandante Pelaec, who is Mr. Bringier's 23 | brother-in-law, I told Mr. Palaec that Bringier was fighting 94 |) with Oswaid on Canal Street and the police took him to jail. 25 | Mr. Palaec told me he did not have nobody to leave the store, | | . | co Century Heparters, Inc. HW 50529 DocId:32246610 Page 23 i713) 464-0003
10 22 24 25 HW 450529 DocId: 32246610 Page 24 (713) 464-0003 i i { | ‘ -bar, the Habana Bar, in New Orleans. bo had clothes store, novelty store, whatever you want to call it... | For.me to do him a favor and go to the police station, and place the bend which I went to the First Presinct Police tation and I asked the sergeant which knew me very well that I wanted to place a pond. He said, "Yes, Orest. You just have to put $25." Well, I put $25 for Bringier's bond. I came back to Mr. Bringier's store and Mr. Pelaec gave me back my $25 that I left at the police station. Why don't you ask the chief of police why he did not tell the Warren Commission Pena was the one that let Bringier out? That proves there that : knew Oswald very, very| well. Iwas there. My bartender was there, too, ivaristo Rodriguez. Q. Do you know whether any FBI agents were present during this fight? A. I do not know. I cannot say anything else. — Q Do you know whether Oswald ever came to your” A Yes, sir. Q ; Did you personally see him at your bar? A “Yes. He came one night with two or three more guests. They asked for something. One guy asked for tequilla I believe. Another asked for another drink, and he asked for a lemonade. The matter, why I never did forget was because in! my place of business we never did for many, many years sell a Century Hegarters, Ine. i ( |