tur gLunci 17 Mr, Hidalgo, With Cuban operations. You know, the Cuban NN) operation versus say Guatemala or Russian or whatever, | | ! | 3 | Mr. Goldsmith. I am not sure that I understand. When wy @ 4 you say Cuban operations do you mean operations by the Cuban 5 government? | 7 Mr. Hidalgo. Yes, rather than saying, yes, I took it for | | granted that she was an agent of the Cuban intelligence. mee 7 is why I told this contact and he took it from there to inves- | | tigate further. | 0. Mr, Goldsmith. Do you know whether that issue was ever | i ; | resolved? | 0 Mr. Hidalgo. No, sir, I never even bothered to check on | ; @ ts i Mr. Goldsmith, Do you have any information about that. | | today? | : ‘a | Mr. Hidalgo. No, sir. | - Mr. Goldsmith, Are you familiar with the cryptonym AMMUG/2? a Mr. Hidalgo. Yes, sir. | | 3 | Mr. Goldsmith, Without disclosing the identity of this | sa | individual would you tell the committee generally who he was? : . 2 | Mr, Hidalgo. AMMUG/1 was a Cuban intelligence officer, | . 2 he worked for Directorio General Intelligencia, DGI, the Cuban | . 6 -3 | government, the counterpart of CIA, He defected to Canada in | ~ | I believe 1964 and was brought into the United States and that vey, | is what he did. He was a defector. | 2 n aos | | Page 20 JOR SECRET Docld: 32277221
nh 22 73 24 Docld: 32277221 know. — - = ——— eo with that) 24 oo f=] it} a i pari iur veal 18 Mr, Goldsmith, Did he provide information to the CIA? Mr. Hidalgo. Yes, sir. Mr. Goldsmith, How significant was the defection of. AMMUG/1 considered to be? Mr, Hidalgo. It was quite an effective, important defection. Mr. Goldsmith. Is it fair to say he provided a wealth of information? Mr. Hidalgo. Yes, sir. Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know his present whereabouts? Mr, Hidalgo. I would suspect he is in Miami but I do not _ Mr. Goldsmith, When was the last time you saw him per- sonally? Mr. Hidalgo. 1964 I believe, late 1964. Mr. Goldsmith, What role, if any, did you have in handling this defector? Mr. Hidalgo. I was his hand holder and interrogator for all the time that he was in the Washington area. Mr, Goldsmith. How many personal contacts did you have him during that period? Mr, Hidalgo, Quite a few. I lived in the same apartment he did, Mr, Hidalgo. Yes, sir. All day I spent with him and night. TAS SEPRET | | 1 | { Mr, Goldsmith. So you saw him virtually on a daily basis? ' | 1 !
ms) ga a on oO Docld: 322772271 en a a Ss SS ne a a ee ee 8 er sae he BRE Ss , 19 Mr. Goldsmith, For how long a period was he in Washington Mr, Hidalgo, Now that you could help me. Mr. Goldsmith. Approximately, Mr. Hidalgo? Mr. Hidalgo. From the time he got to Washington, D. C., until June -- see if I remember this date now, My wife will kill me because it is the day before we got married. Late June 1264 when another agent took over temporarily while I went on my honeymoon. Mr. Preyer. Mr. Hidalgo, I am sorry. I think we will have to recess for about ten minutes, (Whereupon, at 3:15 p.m., the hearing recesseduntil 3:36 p.m.) Mr. Preyer. The committee will come to order, Mr. Goldsmith. Mr.: Hidalgo: -- Mr. Gaines, He wants to add something. eR RR RR BR A Mr. Hidalgo. On those places I operated, I left out two that might be important to you, I don't know, One was Germany and the other one was Scotland. Mr. Goldsmith, I believe my last question was for how long a time period -- Mr. Preyer. If you will excuse me, Mr. Goldsmith, Mr. Goldsmith. Yes, sir, Mr, Preyer. If I could interrupt this hearing for a matter that is not related to this hearing. A subpoena in the name of Jules Mayer Turnable that was issued on August 2, 1978, age 22 THD CLPOoCtT
iUP SEURE! 20 | was made returnable today at two o'clock before this committee | i) The committee will permit compliance with the subpoena next week by Tuesday, August 15, at two p.m, I am sorry to interrupt you. You may proceed, Mr. | Goldsmith, Mr, Goldsmith, . Thank you, Mr, Hidalgo, I believe my last question to you prior to our recess was how long a time period have you actually spent a) with AMMUG and you attempted to answer that question and my recollection of your testimony is that you indicated the last date that you spent with him but you never really told us when you started spending time with him so again I would like to ask you how much time, for how long a time period, did you spend time with him? Mr. Hidalgo... I don't recall the starting date but it was immediately upon his arriving in the Washington area from Canada, Mr, Goldsmith, Can you estimate how much time was involved, a couple of months? Mr. Hidalgo. Oh, yes. Total five, six months at one time and then after this June date I again saw him for about two or three weeks: so it was a bit of a time. Mr. Goldsmith. During that five or six month period initially you had daily contact with him I take it. Mr. Hidalgo. Yes, sir. I actually lived in the same Docld: 322772231 page 23 THAD GCPnacrT
Ur Stuazi. : 21 : | | | | house he was in, 2 | . Mr. Goldsmith. Before we continue with AMMUG I have a | | few further questions to ask about Sylvia Duran. Did you file a report concerning information you had received about Sylvia da 5 Duran? Mr, Hidalgo. No. All I did in that case was I saw this would have been something like, look, so and so, I am here on Qo | | 7 contact of mine in Mexico City and told him about it and it something else, you know, this is out of my bailiwick and I | G 0 | have no interest in it but if you are interested to follow it | up, go ahead, and that was the end of it. 2 Mr, Goldsmith. Do you recall telling Mr. Berk and Mr. | 7 3 Hardway at the time of your interview with them that in fact | @ 7 you had previous information concerning Sylvia Duran? | e Mr. Hidalgo. To my case officer, yes; to my contact down | i 6 there, - | Mr, Goldsmith, You didn't mean a written report? ! 13, Mr, Hidalgo, I didn't mean a formal written report, no. 9 | When I came back I probably wrote a simple debriefing report | | as to what I did during the time I was away, this was the normal 2 nt thing to do, but it would have been focused on my operation, ! 21 3 the success of it, etc. = 2 ” ®@ a3 Mr, Goldsmith, With regard to this operation I believe | ~ . | you testified that you were in Mexico on two or three occasions, 24 ! For approximately how long a time period were you in Mexico on = ac a Docld: 322772271 Page 24 TAD GrPocrTy