JFK Assassination System Date: 10/1/201 Identification Form Agency Information AGENCY: HSCA RECORD NUMBER: _ 180-10075-10169 RECORD SERIES: NUMBERED FILES \ AGENCY FILE NUMBER: | 010136 Document Information ORIGINATOR: HSCA FROM: PENA, OREST TO: TITLE: SWORN TESTIMONY OF OREST PENA DATE: 06/23/1978 PAGES: 36 SUBJECTS : ANATI-CASTRO ACTIVITIES OSWALD, LEE, POLITICAL AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES FBI, ADMINISTRATION DE BRUEYS, WARREN DOCUMENT TYPE: TRANSCRIPT CLASSIFICATION: — Unclassified RESTRICTIONS: Consulted CURRENT STATUS: = Withhold DATE OF LASTREVIEW: = 07/22/1993 OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : Three copies. Box 187. v9.1 HW 50529 DoclId: 322746611 Page 1
< i i BY MR. GENZMAN: Q the record? A. Qo 4 testified as follows: EXAMINATION Mr. Pena, would you state your full name for Orest Pena. What is your address? Sixty-one hundred Argonne Boulevard, New Orleans, Louisiana, 70124. 0 A. Q yourself? A. a ; Have you been given a copy of our Committee Rules and House Resolutions 222, 433 and 760? Would you pleasé read Committee Rule 4 to Yes. “I did read it already. Do. you.understand it? Yes, I do. Mr. Pena, are you making this statement voluntarily? -_ - Q A Q Yes. Is it true that you are not under subpoena for this statement? No, Iam not. For the record, I want to advise you that you < have the right to have counsel present. Do you have HW 50529 Docld: 2246611 Page 4. Century Feparters, Inc. {713) A84-0003
counsel present? 2 a A. No, I don't. I don*t want any. H 3 Qo The entire record of this statement under cath | 1 @ 4 || will be transcribed. . You will be sent the original and asked | 5 | to sign and verify it. You should return the signed and 6 | verified copy of the transcript to the Committee. The 7 | Committee will then provide you with a copy of it. 8] — TE when you are sent the original: transcript 9 to sign and verify, you desire to make any changes for you 10 reason, you should contact me and I will make the necessary Wo arrangements to have you initial or make any changes that you 12. desire to make. | | e . 43 | | At this time, Mr. Pena, I would like to show 14. you a document labeled JFK Exhibit No, 94. Have you had a 15 chance to read this document? | | 16 A Yes, I did. V7 Q . Do you understand it? 18 | A - Yes, it is the same one you explained to me 19 | that I will not: be- punished for giving knowledge that I have 20 | about the CIA. re 7 eee | | a1 ge Yes, this is a letter from the Central > | Intelligence Agency to the Chairman of the House Select. Committee on Assassinations, the Honorable Louis Stokes dated March 23, 1978 which deals with the release from CIA 25 secrecy agreements. Century Reperters, Inc, . : HW 50529 DocId:3?246611 Page 5 (713) 464-0003
20 Py r 22 23 24 25 HW 50529 DocId: 32246611 Page 6 at . Mr. Pena, I would like to ask you a few questions about your background. Have you ever acted as an informant for the FBI? A. Yes, sir. Q Can you tell me the period of time during which you were an informant with.the FBI? A. I was an informer -- I started to be an informer for the FBI around 1959, 1960. I can't remember } exactly what year but I remember that I was called to the office of the FBI in New Orleans and I was asked if I could help to inform the FBI about people that was trying to do | propaganda for Castro or was talking bad about the United States. This was asked to me by the man in charge of the FBI special agency, the FBI in New Orleans. He told me a lot of Spanish people used to come here on the ship and I could help a lot to the United — States. .He assigned Warren C. de Brueys, one of the FBI |; agents for me to report to him of any information I cot, to 4 . w. report it to him which. I did for many months and years. TI ‘can't. remember exactly for how many years but I was given to him. He used. to come to my place of business very, very — | frequently. | / 0. Would the time period.be in the earlv 1960's? A. _ I can't remember exactly what year I started. oo / I can't say 1959 or 1960 but you can check on the time Century Reporters, Inc. (713i 464-0003
HW 50529 wn i Doclda: 34246611 Page 7 - ‘because in New Orleans was formed the Cuban Revolutionary Front, Cuban Revolutionary Front which the man in charge was ‘Sergio Arcacha Smith. Warren C. de Brueys used to go a lot to the office to talk to Sergio Arcacha Smith. Another person that used to go there a lot was William Ferrie which Mr. de Brueys knew very well. And Mr. Ferrie used to take Mr. Sergio Arcacha Smith in his car almost every day to his house after the office was closed. Q “Do you Know whether Warren de Brueys ever attended any meetings of the Cuban Revolutionary Front? AL ‘He was. very frequently in. the office talking in private with Mr. Sergio Arcacha Smith. | a “believe you stated earlier you provided the FBI with information about the Cuban groups in New Orleans? A. Yes, I did. Q Did you ever work in any way for Fidel Castro? A I did not. — Q Was the information which you provided the FBI information which you gained by way of your position as a bar owner in New Orleans? A Yes. When seamen came around and people that was working here, Spanish people including Cuban, they was talking so I knew most of the Spanish people in this town for being so long a barroom owner. The. next day I called Warren C. de Brueys at Century Reparters, Inc. (713) 464-0003 | |
" his office and told him I had some information for him. He’ ho came to my place of business and I gave him the information. 3; I never did ask him what he did with what he found out. It @ 4 was my duty to give it to him and what he did was none of my 5 | business. me) Were you ever paid for any of the information 7} which you provided to the FBI? 8 | a i. never was paid a single penny. Plus the PBI . 9 brought me a lot. of Cubans that was: stow away. They brought 10 | them to me at my place of business and told me to give them 11 | a.room.and board and find a job. Some of those people still 12. Live here in New Orleans which I can give you the names and @ 13 prove it was true that the FBI and Immigration brought 14 | them to me to help them and they would pay for whatever had 15 to be done. I never gave them a bill because I thought: that 14 | was doing something good for the United States and something 7 good for the cause of drawing Castro away from Cuba. 1g Q . I believe you stated earlier that you gave. - 9 your information to PBI Special Agent Warren C. de Brueys. | 90. -Did you. ever provide information to any other FBI agents ; . 3} before the assassination of president Kennedy? @ . 22 A _ Warren C. de Brueys was the FBI agent that was | 93 assigned to me. He gave me the phone and every time I called 74 to the FBI office, I asked for Warren C. de Brueys. I said 95 | I was told to ask for him, that he would be the one to take HW 50529 Docld:3?246611 Page 8 Century Reporters, {nc.
20 21 @ 22 24 25 HW 50529 Docld:32246611 Page 9 Century Heparters, Ine. asking me about the same questions over and over and over: | private office. So I went’and talked to John Tambarella and | who they are." | morning two FBI came to my place of business, waked me up very early and told me they wanted to take me to the office ; give me your govenment identification." So they gave it to care of whatever I had to tell the FBI. He was the one that used to come to my place of business. After the assassination, a lot of the FBI used to come to my place of business which I had a name, they used to come to aggravate and to give me a hard time and tell me to go to the office because the boss wanted to talk to me and until I got very tired. I called my attorney which at that time was Dave McHoward, called George, and explained to | George McHoward what the FBI was doing to me and he told me to go and see the lawyer that worked at. his office, his. John Tambarella told me, "Go back to your hosue and get the names of those FBI and bring it to me and I am going to have | something to work out, something to call somebody and tell ' So IT came back to the office and the next of the FBI, the boss wanted to talk to me. I said, "Yes. But before I go you have to give me your name." They told me their names. I dic not believe it. I said, "You have to me and I put their names and I hold their names. ‘The next day, same thing happened. I took the | (weal ae nana
| | for any other government agency? 2 | . A, Yes, I did for another United States agency. 3 | Q What was that agency? i @ 4. | A --X would not tell you. 5 Q. What is your reason for keeping the name of P | the agency secret? 7 i A My reason is if I cannot prove the truth of: 8 | what happened with Warren C. de Brueys which to me is the 9 most important person in the Kennedy assassination, why 10 ‘should I give any other allegations? If I cannot prove something that I worked for the man, that I reported to the 19 man, if I cannot prove those things, why should I put some- 3 thing else? QQ: Are you saying that if you can prove certain allegations concerning Warren C. de Brueys, you. would then 15 16 | reveal a relationship with another government agency? 7 A ‘I do it this way for the United States. 1 18 give all my Constitutional rights. I would get a lie test, 19 whatever the government thinks is right. | 20 | a Q- Are you speaking of a polygraph examination? at | a A. | Any of those that you want too. IE you ask me 9 if I work with the FBI, =- Warren C. de Brueys told me before, @ Pe | about a week or ten days moze or less before I went to a4 | testify to.the Warren Commission that if I talk about him he Vs | will get rid of my ass. Century Reparters, Inc. HW 50529 DoclId: 32246611 Page 11 (713) 484.0003
Q We will get into that issue. | rod A, You can ask me if I was ever an informant for 3 | any other agency in the world, but two agencies in the United | T 4 | States. One was the FBI and one more. Then if I am right, ! 1 5 | the government will have to force Warren C. de Brueys to take 6 | the same tests I take. i i +e . 7 i Q Mr. Pena, do you have any information as to | g | whether Lee Harvey Oswald was ever an F3I informant? 9 | A. Oswald used to go to a restaurant on the 10 i Decatur and Iberville. The name of the owner was Mr. Pedro, i _ 4 \ | 1) | a Greek, and Mr. Oswald used to go to the restaurant in tne i 12 | morning with other federal agents from the Customs House } 13. | Building. To prove that I was there, that I saw Oswald, that wren 5 i4 | t Saw all those agents drinking coffee, having breakfast in | + 15 | the restaurant in the morning, I will name -- I have more than 16 j One but T will name one name right now. Mr. Victor Perez 7 which lived in Altoona, Florida, Zip Code 32702. This man was a bar operator in the 200 block 18 . . 19 | of Decatur and we used to go in the morning and talk about 20 | business and we was watching and looking at all the federal { - . 1 . | 7 agents which we knew very well because many of these federal | Ht | r 2 | agents speak Spanish and others was married to some Spanish | - I i 53 | women that I knew. 4 a 2 : a = : 24 i Q Who specifically was with Oswalc on these hi | occasions? 25 j 1 50529 DocId: 32246611 Page 12 PL alee. MWe neta Ten
12 Vy a A. ' I cannot say such-and-such a person was with: | 2 him or talking to him but I knew his face. I knew the face 3 | of a lot of the other agents from the Customs House Building @ 4 | that go to the restaurant there and I saw them together having ta breakfast together at the restaurant. 64 Q _ Did you ever see Oswald in the presence of 7 Warren de Brueys? 8. ; A. I'd better don't answer’ this question right 9 now. 10 || .  Q My question, Mr. Pena, is whether you ever saw 1] | Lee Harvey Oswald at any restaurant or any other location. 12 with Warren D. de Brueys? Y ) 13 | A.. Yes, I will testify that Warren C. de Brueys 14 being at the Pedro, the Greek restaurant on Decatur and 15 Iberville at thei same time that Oswald: was: at.:the restaurant 16 in the company of other federal agents. 7 | Q | Do you know the name of that restaurant? 18 A I do not know the name of the restaurant but 19 | the restaurant, the owner of the. restaurant was Mr. Pedro and we used. to call him Pedro the Greek. 20 2} | Q _ Did you ever observe Oswald and de Bruevs @ 22 || speaking to each other? | a3 | OA . I cannot answer that question. If I cannot ay. prove myself what de Brueys did to me, how am I going to 25 prove other things? 50529 DocId: 34246611 Page 13 Century Reperters, [nc —
; @ , 22 23 24 . HW 50529 DocId: 32246611 Page 14 Q My question:is, Mr. Pena, do you recall ever: seeing Oswald and de Brueys speaking together or acting in such a way that you would think that they knew each other? A. ' I believe they knew each other very, very well. 0 Can you explain why you believe Oswald and de Brueys knew each other very well? A My belief, I would have to report in.as_ informant to Mz. de Brueys, I have to report myself to Mr. de Brueys and that is my point of view on that question. - When Oswald was transferred to pallas, Mr. Warren C. de Brueys was transferred to Dallas, Texas at the same time.. | Q Do you know when Oswald went to Dallas and | Mr. de Brueys went to Dallas? 3 ae A No, I do not know when Oswald went to Dallas but I know when Warren C. de Brueys went to Dallas because he came to my place of business and told me that I do not -have to call him any more at his office because he was transferred to Dallas. 3 Qo Do you. know whether de Brueys was transferred to Dallas after the assassination of President Kennedy? A. I am very sure. I am very, very, very sure it was before the assassination. Qa . Are you aware that de Brueys was in Dallas after the assassination to help with the FBI investigation Century Heparters, inc. {FiB) 4864-0003 1 1 if
21 - A. KR . 3 | a 4 j 1 | of the assassination of President Kennedy? — I do not know anything about that. Is it your recollection then that de Brueys left New Orleans and went to Dallas before 5 | of President Kennedy? 6 | , A Yes, Sir. if 10 | as 1] - Q. 2 4 A. 1g | three or four of my customers, people. that used to live in my ef Q 20. | Kennedy? 2 | 7 e 23 if A 74 Cadre to train 25 believe he was 30529 Docld:3?246611 Page 15 the assassination Do you feel that the fact that de Brueys went That is for you to find out. g | to Dallas had to do before the assassination of 9 | President Kennedy and before Oswald himself was killed? Do you have any opinion on this? Do you’ make any investigation about the camp 3 to train Cubans to go fight Castro for the Bay of Pigs Lae) 1g | Those Cubans were training in New Orleans under the command ‘ys | Of the FBI and the CIA. I can talk this way because I had hotel or rooming house that went and: took the training here. Is there a connection.between the training of I. am very sure, yes, sir. © Could you be more specific? 49 Cubans in New Orleans. and the assassination of President Yes. One of the men that was training was a all the other Cubans, was a a Captain in the Cuban Army Century Heparters, Inc. (Fi3) age.oemys very smart man. I during the Batista
oo - 20 2) @ | 22 . 23 24 25 regime. His name was Juan ITlario Caballero, alias Lel- Guajiro. This’ man right now, he did not die yet, is in Texas State Prison, Huntsville, Texas for killing somebody in Texas. This man is married to a lady in New Orleans that has a daughter which I know very, very well. This man several times before the death of President Kennedy when he got drunk in my place of business, | he was very mad at the President. A lot of times, more than a dozen times, he said in Spanish that the only way was to get rid of that son-of-a-bitch, that means the President of the United States. | He's got one more brother who was. a high rank in the Cuban Army during the Batista regime and he was Cadre in the training camp the CIA got here. And he got a cousin that looks similar to Oswald. I cannot remember the name of the cousin or the brother but Juan Ilario Caballero will tell you. If you go to the State Texas Prison in Huntsville and ask Juan Caballero who was -his cousin and his brother, then we are going to start something about the death of President Kennedy. | Q Mr. Pena, let's return to the questions involving the contacts which you saw Oswald had with Warren Cc. de Brueys. Can you explain any reasons which he might have which led you to believe that Oswald was de Brueys' informant? ‘ “| 23 q ptors ne. HW 50529 DocId:3P246611 Page 16 Century Repurters, Inc. (weal aaaaana
HW 50529 16. A. I better not say anything else. More or less, | I told you I knew Oswald. When Oswald was giving propaganda in favor of Cuba at the old International Trade Mart, I was there, re I will get into Oswald's activities in New Orleans just a bit later. Can you offer any other reasons which have led you to believe Oswald was an FBI informant? A I cannot go back. We would have to bring Mr. Carlos Bringier because Oswald went to Carlos Bringier and tried to fight in favor of the Cubans so we would have ‘to come back to the same thing and that doesn't matter.» Q- Do you. want to add anything concerning Oswald's coming to see Carlos Bringier and offering his services to Carles Bringier to train anti-Castro Cubans? A “Bétween Carlos Bringier and Oswald, the only thing else I want to talk is about the fight they got into ‘on Canal Street. | - oO a “Do you! have any specific reasons which have led you to believe Oswald was an FBI informant? For instance, did you ever see Oswald and de Brueys entering the restaurant together or leaving. the restaurant together? | A. I cannot say entering the restaurant but I saw Oswald and de Brueys, Mr. David Smith, Mr. Rogue. from the Immigration Department and other government agents leaving DocId: 32246611 Page 17 Century Reparters, . inc. { \ | \ i } | |
ho Naw aan || \ i I t i HW 50529 DBoclId:322746611 Page 18 17 the restaurant and going to the Customs House Building which: at that time was an office for different kinds of government agencies. Q. Did Oswald ever accompany this group either when they entered or left the restaurant? A Yes, he did and I got Mr. Perez that I gave you the address on to. prove it. Q | | Did. Oswald act like he knew any of this group which came into the restaurant frequently? A. Yes, they knew each other very, very well. Q | Did. you see him talking with any members of this group? | | A. Yes, they was talking. I can't say who was talking to whom: but. they was talking and they was in the same group. Q Did you ever see Warren de Brueys in particular talking with Lee Harvey Oswald? A. I just can't say that exactly. Q .. Mr. Pena, when did you first make the. allegation’ that..Oswald'was/ah. PBI: informant? - A : I don't remember exactly. I went to the Warren) Commission. I was subpoenaed to go to the Warren Commission and I remember exactly that I went to accuse Warren C. de Brueys because I believe that Warren C. de Brueys if he really wanted, he could save the life of President Kennedy. Century Beparters, tne. io t
tt 0, We will talk about your Warren Commission 2 | testimony later. 3 Do you recall making a public statement that r . 4 | Lee Harvey Oswald was an FBI informant around 1975? 5 A. Yes, I still believe that he was an informant. & , | a Do you recall making a statement on this issue 7 to CBS television? 8 4 A. Yes, CBS. . . 9 !} , Q Do you recall ever making this statement before 10 that time publicly? , | nN OR I talked to a. lot of friends. A lot of people 12 have been talking to me about the assassination of President | @ 3B Kennedy and I talked a lot and I told them I believe he was 14 an informer -- not informer, that he was an agent of the 15 United States government. 16 Wi | Q Are you saying that Oswald was an agent of 7 the United States? 18 . A _..In. my, belief, yes, sir. “49 | . 0 | Why did you wait so long to make public your 20 " allegation that. Oswald was a U.S. government agent of some 21 sort or an informant? @ | 29 A. | Well, I tell you I did not. wait very long. I . | 23 | went -- when the Warren Commission subpoenaed me for the i oa Warren Commission report, I went. I tried to talk. I believe 5 | the name of the person in charge was Mr. Liebeler, if I am 1 HW 50529 Docld: 32246611 Page 19 Century Reporters, Inc.
Ss nm “dd 25 50529 DoclId:3 not wrong, Q Is that Mr. Liebeler? Ho A Liebeler, yes, sir. so you can see from this story that I have been trying to accuse this FBI agent. At that time I was having in mind to accuse him of these Spanish Cubans that was training ina camp in New Orleans but when I saw Mr. Liebeler did not | cooperate with me and did not let me talk, I said, "I might as well keep my mouth shut." 1 don't accuse anybody else but Warren C. de Brueys. Q I believe you said earlier that when you: testified before the Warren Commission, you felt that the FBI was intimidating you into giving a certain sort of testimony. Did Warren de Brueys intimidate you? A . Yes, sir. a In what way? A A few days, I can't say one week or two weeks or ten days, but a few days before I went to testify in the ‘Warren Commission, he came to my place of business at 117 Decatur and called me to the table and told me he wanted to | talk to me. I went to him because I used to talk to him | almost every three or four days. He told me that if I talk | anything about him he will get rid of my ass. Q. Why do you think he made this threat to you? Century Reporters, Lue. #246611 Page 20 . i713) 464-0003 I told him I want to accuse Warren C. de Brueys
A, Because in my belief he knew I was going to ' accuse him at the Warren Commission testimony. He was trying | . ° | to impress me not to do so which I went and I accused him and | @ 4 } I was having in mind to accuse the Cubans that was training unr in New Orleans. When I saw what happened, how much they was § covering it up, taking away, that I did not express myself about de Brueys so I changed my mind and I did not Say any- 8 thing about the Cubans, the training camp in New Orleans. -9 | Q Do you. feel that. Warren de Brueys might have 10 | wanted to intimidate you. to prevent you from saying that im Oswald was an FBI informant? 12 || A. - Yes, could be too. @ 13 a —  O Again,. I want to ask you why you waited so 14 long before you publicly stated that you had reason to 15 | believe that Oswald was an FBI informant? 16 A I.wrote. to Mr. Lane. The letter came back V7 | one year ox so later. I believe his name is Mark nane. 18 I went, to New York and I took the address of “19 the editor ef his book ana I took some photostatic -- some 20 | papers that I still have to him. 21 I ‘could not see him but his editor or one of @ (22 |) the persons that worked in New York City, I believe Sixth 23 | Avenue, told me that. he would see that Mr. Mark Lane got 24 those papers. 95 Mr. Harold Weisberg came to me°too trying’ to 50529 Docld:3~246611 Page 21 ae Century Reporters, Ine. CED Aes AA
HW 50529 24 25 DoclId: 3¥246611 Page 23 i) bo It is another office in the Balter Building. . You. better leave it like that, like it is. I do not want to go any farther. Q Do you have anything else to offer on the - allegation that Oswald was an FBI informant? A Not right now, 0. I would like to ask you questions concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's activities in New Orleans. Did you have occasions to observe Oswald in New Orleans? A. Yes,:.I did, sir, besides the restaurant activity. Le _ Q. Did.you see him passing out Fair Play for Cuba pamphlets in New Orleans? . A, Yes, sir. I saw in front. of the old International Trade Mart in the 100 block of Camp Street.. I saw him fighting with Mr. Carlos Bringier on Canal Street which. after the police got. there and arrested both of them,. Mr. Oswald and Mr. Bringier and took them to jail, I went to Mr. Carlos Bringier's place of business and I talked to his brother-in-law. His. name is Commandante Pelaec. He was a big’ name in the Cuban Army. Commandante Pelaec, who. is Mr. Bringier's brother-in-law, I told Mr. Palaec that Bringier was fighting with Oswald on Canal Street and the police took him to jail. Mr. Palaec told me. he. did not have nobody to leave the store, Century Reparters, Ine. {713} 464-0003
HW 50529 10 20 2) 22 23 24. 25 DoctId :32246611 Page 24 {713} 464-0003 bh Ud clothes. store, novelty store, whatever you want to call it... | For.me to do him a favor and go to the police station and place the bend which I went to the First Presinct Police tation and I asked the sergeant which Knew me very. well that I wanted to place a bond. He said, “Yes, Orest. You just have to put $25." Well, I put $25 for Bringier's bond. I came back to Mr. Bringier's store and Mr.” Pelaec gave me back rey $25 that I left at the police station. Why don't you ask the chief of police why he did not tell the Warren Commission Pena was the one that let | Bringier out? That proves there that I knew Oswald very, very| well. I was there. My bartender was there, too, Evaristo Rodriguez. 0. Do you know whether any FBI agents were present during this fight? | A. I do not know. I cannot say anything else. Q Do you know whether Oswald ever came to your bar, the Habana Bar, in New Orleans. A “Yes, sir. QO oO Did you personally see him at your bar? A Yes. He came one night with two or three more guests. They asked for something. One guy asked for teguillal I believe. Another asked for another drink, and he asked for a lemonade. The matter, why I never did forget was because in my place of business we never did for many, many years sell a Century Regarters, Inc. |
20 21 23 24 25 HW 50529 DocId: 32246611 Page 25 i lemonade. My bartender asked me, "Do we sell lemonade here?" in Spanish. My bartender and me, we talk in Spanish all the time. I said, “Yes, we sell lemonade. .Get a glass of water and put two or three spoons of sugar and half a lemon and put | ice and charge twenty-five cents." According to the bartender, because I did not hear that, Mr. Rodriguez, Oswald started bitching about the | price of.the lemonade for twenty-five cents. He said I was. a Capitalist or something like that. So I told the bartender | that the second drink, he can go and drink it somewhere else. He had to pay for the first one. Q Did you personally see Oswald in your bar? A Yes, I did personally see him in my bar. O Can you identify the people that accompanied Oswald in your bar? OR No.. ao | Were they. Cubans? A. They looked Spanish. My bartender, Mr. Rodriguez, would answer the question much better because he came exactly to the table where those people were sitting. i Do you recall whether any of the Spanish individuals spoke with any particular accent? A. No, I was not there. I was away from where they were sitting. Century Reparters, Inc. {713} 464-0903
23 24 25 All that I knew that was talked in that conversation was because the bartender told me about it. o | DO you recall seeing Oswald in New Orleans at any other times? A, I told you already where I saw nim. 0. Do you recall applying for a passport in New Orleans on June 24th of 1963? OM Yes, sir. Q I am referring now to Warren Commission Pena Exhibit No, 1. A That's all right. Don't show it to me. I want you to put this down. The government said -- I said that I took.the passport at the Customs House ‘Building and the government said that they did not issue me the passport in that building. I would like to find out who -is right, the government or me. Q. When you say “the government” has said this, | what particular agency or individual are you speaking of? AL Just the government. Pere agencies. Q - _Did you know chat Lee Harvey oswala applied + A. I was told so by Mr. Weisberg, 1D Do you remember. seeing Lee Harvey Oswald on A. No, I do not remember. I do not remember seeing HW 50529 Docld:32246611 Page 26 Century Hepaorters, inc. : } for a passport in New Orleans on the same day, June 24th, 1963? | t { } i } i i i i :
wn 25 him. , 0. Do you think if Oswald had been present at th same time applying for a passoort that you would remember seeing nim? | A. Yes, sir. io Q When I stated that Oswald applied for a passport in New Orleans on June 24th, 1963, I was referring to Warren Commission Exhibit No. 781. Have you seen a copy of this Warren. Commission Exhibit? i A. The only thing I saw was my own. I was told th | that he was -- applied for the passport the same day I applied. That is what I was told before. Q At this time have you seen a copy of Warren Commission Exhibit 781? | A This time, yes, sir. a ‘Do you know why your name would have been | ommitted from a list provided by the State Department to the Warren Commission which included the names of the people who applied for passports in New Orleans on June 24th, 1963? i I am specifically referring to Warren Commission Exhibit No. 952. | | - | A I do not know but maybe they did want to skip me because I did work for them as an informant. | FBI as an informant, you name might have been purposely WW 50529 DocId:3 | Century Reparters, Inc. p246611 Page 27 (713) 464-0003 Q Are you saying that because you worked for the