4 oad Mx. preye We coumittee will stand if) 2 . ten minutes. - (Whereuvon, at 4:11 p.m., the committee recessed wat of a Zh : p.m.) ao . | -. Mr, Preyer. The .committee will resume its. session. Mr. Goldsmni th, — ” ON Goldsmith. Thank you, Mx. ‘Chairman. pretef—-— ee ce etn oe toute ee mae meee gee et creat sent ate en anes FE Tn  eeneng smelt ecmmemnm gs eran te ar arate Ama | 1k. ae nh | fe) i i have a few more que stions For “you, Mr dh asta] t ; : aT . : Do you know wheth ex Davia: Phillips } new Mauxd ce Bi shop? 7 Mr. [Bieal of] I don't know that. He yaa have “known Rim | 12 — g af | 3 i but £ dontt know that, | ie Mr, Goldsmith. Is it possible that the name Maurice ~ | 15 | Biship may have been an alias? oe : oe : | 18 | 7 Mr. [Wiaargo] Vexy possi ible. - 17 — - Mx. Goldsmith, Why do you say that? | 132 - Mr. l Hidalgo] Because . others in the agency "thought that | —— 19 | they knew me by X name and they called me ey chat: hame when in | ng | fact it was not. _ ee . oy 3] i Mr. Goldsmith. So the use of aliases even at agency - | 29 headquarters was not at all uncommon, is that true, to your | : ad , “4 knowledge? = ‘ . : a 7 Mr. [Widalgo.? That is true, a | i H H ‘Semon t — as 1] hirs-Goldemithr—potyou kno i whether Hauskce Bishop ae f— VERB SOE edhe SAT on IER
ue? da as? wa Do you know or did you know Maurice Bishop? wie wo: aenmeee wanpl Sass we ane encase seoth entre torent 40 san Cetmnaat CAMS NOE DEED CONE RON 9 Ht ¢ meetin ees te HN a ERNEST canmLONEND A tmtntrettn Gn me Gent nf a4 Sm ee tment + Yes. cH Was he an agency employee? I believe so. Do you know what his duties were-in 1963? FP DO YP DO PRP OD No. ener Te Q. Do you know whether any of these people worked at | headquarters in 1963 or worked in the field in 1963?. A Well, they move back and forth and it is pretty hard | . . | to tell just where they were in 1963, but the records will show: . 4 a : nhs ° and you can get it from the Office of the present Director. if :
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"My. Goldsmith, Did you know an individual named Maurice sree i Bishop? { : sy ops . : | Mr. . Again Mr. Bishop was in the organization bui X had no personal day-to-day open relationship with him.+= i] | | Phillips, yés; Bishop, no. I knew them both and Phillips f | knew, JX know Mr. Berk is.over.there and I know Mr, Hardway is over there but I have no relationships with them. Do tou follow me? Mr. Goldsmith, Now with Mr, Bishop -- was this Mr, Mauri:
rad da wad de NY Rat ) sears SPU WE aca crema | SR DALLAS TS) La 1: Cn _ xX bolieve that wan tha nang, yes. HS | victly & business knowledges. oo | “7 yr, Goldsmith, How long has it been since you hove Been | Manxcice Bishop? © SMe, ; | ; Less than ituice ox three say’ someuhere. Loo oe | | Mx. Goldsmith, When was 15 the last time that you sar hin? | Mr, _ rt vould have to betbefore 2970 somewhere - Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know what position, 42 any, he. pelal with the agency? | | | fies | He held a position: higher than mine but I | ‘# did not know, you know. | | Mr. Goldsmith, Did you ever have any. personal contact - i pith Mr. Bishop? | = Mr, yO” I don't:believe so. If it was, it was. not | . : 1 ! that. important that it would impress itself upon me. | ., : t “wr, Goldsmith, Did he work-in- the Western Hemisphere | - ' Division? Loe « Se ee a - | Mr. Y think so but again I am not suze of all | the details, : | ! Mx. Goldsmith, Do you know any other individuals who | F wexe familiar with Mr. Bishop wha have known him? Ce Mx. mt don't know. perhaps Mx. perhaps | Dave Phillips. — =. % . | Mr. Golds mith.::Was Mr. Bishop's office located at CIA