Cantor 42° ~fls 0 oes: ‘Docld: 32266815. PHge-97- ls. O££ the record. “anyone, Lee Oswald or anybody else, was in that photograph. 2 || But. she did take a photograph which she turned over to the” ||;Dallas police, and we have never been able to see it. | r. Fauntroy. Thank you. MWe -— . Chairman Downing. Again on behalf of the committee, I.” “want to thank you, Mr. Groden. I think this is a proper. place to start this investigation and you have contributed. _ Red greatly. I think to the committee, both you and your assistant. So the committee thanks you. -. {Discussion off the record. }
GY) Shaixman Rowning- Restate your caveat as to film for _ the purposes of the record. \ Mr. Sprague. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, o1 think I ought to make it absolutely clear that at ene ||. presentation of the wifttess | that we just had here was! Poly | “to acquaint the committee at the threshold with photographs of the scene. In no way are we presenting that ‘witness © for 3 any conclusion, inference, his interpretation of shadows, “things of that nature. That is why we are commencing the “investigation. It was felt ‘that it would be helpful | ‘to. have we some picture at the beginning of the scene of the. crime, on WP which we are going to present in the case of br. King as “well. Obviously we intend to get all of the protogcapnts "evidence that is available, the originals, and have ‘them " examined for subsequent presentation, but ents te te “and was not thought to be taken in any way.. as presenting © “anything in terms of any. interprtation or re a OS “The only thing I do want to say, that where there was. |] pointing out of a Mr. Lovelady who appeared to have oe "noticeable kind of beara and a striking red ana black’ shirt, “that our investigators did fly out to Denver and’ presented ae ehat picture to Mr. Lovelady, merely to escertain £ from him. “is he the person with that apparent beard and black and white oa f seizes and he has indicated that yes, that is sso. that 5 in “no oway. indicates. that that person that appears to be similar to! ae
ocld: 32266815 os Bas , ‘ , * 131 Oswald is not yet Lovelady as we are going to have to investigate that photograph and blow it up into a larger — _ thing and have it examined. G7 I do want to repeat that what has been | presented is “only, just the preliminary informational picture, so. to. “speak, taking us back to the scene, and I for one. do. not” accept any conclusion or interpretation. Mr. Dodd. Mr. Chairman, I don't understand ‘then. Deo “zecoginée we are not reaching conclusions by seeing “these ||. films but I don't understand why we have a closed ‘Session. /e" || when viewing them. It is not a conclusion. No one heré“is { "stating in fact this is exactly what happened based on this: "particular witness' testimony. I don't see what. we care _ jeopardizing by having the meetings open. I am- willing to listen to a reasonable reason why. I -|/ Sam not trying to be difficult. I just don't understand [why “it should be closed. _ Chairman Downing. The great problem here is that if at is open, the witness is going to have to omié peecvenges ; which | he might have made if it was not open. _ in other words) or don't think. it would be proper in open to talk ‘of. ‘ovelady. “We has a right to some privacy until we are ‘ready to get “some basic evidence from him, or several of the other “things which counsel mentioned this morning. | He would _ probably have to withhold those, and that z guess ‘is. the basis
132 for the closed session. Y wow tomorrow we have the King assassination slides, the 1; acendetzatton for subpgenas. I don't see “anything, that: would come up from here on in that would really warrant a. siseea session, unless counsel disagrees with nese ' Do you see anything on tha remaining agenda? = be Mr. Eauntroy - ‘Mr. Chairman, I would just Like £0 ask. y || a question on the authorization cor subppenas._ Are Fou * talking about the names of people whose cestinony we want to preserve? Mee Sprague. Mr. Chairman, not quite at this points ‘there are a number of agencies such as in rennessee who’ have said that they will supply all of Secs nateriai to us. |] they just want to be protected and have a ‘subgfSna served s on them, so what I am requesting is the authorization of | ‘the committee to be. able to serve those vaigfinen 8 me I am told, for instance, that. the Associated Press on that | ‘one “photograph that you have seen here of ‘enis « one ce 7 ‘person who appears to be Oswald in the doorway is glad to turn that over for examination, but they want a ete ae W servea on them. ‘That is the category that rT am talking about. -)° Mr, Thone. Mr. Chairman, I don' t want to start, ‘where. or left off this morning, but I think. se 0d is. “absolutely | °  Sotkect. Mr. Sprague, you said before that what we really”
(133 “need now is an educational forum here to acquaint the public and members of Congress with what you are going to need and . wherewithal to ‘conduct a thorough investigation. I “think owe all agree with that. I thought we had a. ‘brilliant | - opportunity to do that this morning and we closed ‘the doors “on the press at that time. | ieee Gx appreciate that occasionally you may have “Some! x real. || sensitive material, and at that ting, hopefully at the ond of the morning or into the afternoon, why you can ‘have ee * vote and go into executive session, but it would “still “sect ao "to me that we are missing a tremendous coportunity neze to | “ evolve or to consummate this educational process: that se yoo I thought you aid | a. very, very 3 || were talking about gaglsx |) sxinaeur job this morning of dramatizing to. the 425 member ae ~ committee here on why you really needed this” 170-man ‘staff, post of which, of course, would be lost to the ‘ponte, S| yr. sbeaguse Mr. Chairman, in response “to that, (Tao || think that the presentation as to the need of the staff, wo We the size of the staff, is a different area, however, ‘from » | “the actual nitty-gritty of the investigation, and I frankly oe | wonder to what extent it appears as though talking about ‘the Wr areas of investigation and the gathering of S evidence. or publicly is conducive, as we start an investigation. 1 | think there are two different areas. . _| Mr. Gonzalez. May I say something in that respect?” Jockd: 32266815 ‘Pag