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Notes -- call from Frank Sturgis 6/25/76 He just ran across a friend of his who used to be an agent, In communications, and @ he "revived" his mind on something that ‘he "completely forgot." (He had previously told me that he had tost almost all his notes from his adventures fn the intelligence business, which explains why he hadn't remembered ~ ‘this before.) He reminded me he told me that he had been sent to Washington by a group of key men in Castro's inner circle and told to - give some secret documettts and lists of names to Hoover, personally. (Sturgis didn't tell me this, but Pedro Diaz-Lanz -- the guy who came out with Sturgis and was head of Castro's Air Force -- told someone the list contained the names of Cuban exile double agents. At the top of the list, says Diaz-Lanz, was Artime's name.) BO Sturgis says he never did get to see Hoover but he did see his personal secretary. He says he was sent to Hoover directly . because the insiders didn't trust the American Embassy. He believes the Rockefeller Commission and the Watergate Commisston has testimony from his about plots agaa#ast Castro, but he couldnt +. get an OK to assassinate pkaks Castro because of the Eisenhower administration. One of the people that Sturgis says he was in touch with here, besides xke&ka tee CIA, was Al Tarabochia. He was in touch . . with Tarabbohia at this particular time, and therefore Tarabochia would know of this incident: | . There was a meeting in Cuba bout two, two and half months ‘before the Kennedy assassination. There were a number of ‘high-rakking rebel officers present: fm Fidel, Raul, Che, ‘the chief of GB (can't remember his name), a man who was called "EI Mexicano," several other people, a woman...and- Jack Ruby. “The meeting was in Havana. One of the rebel officers present was ta half-brother wk of a Cuban exile living in Miami. After the | JFK assassination, the officer sent a letter to his’ half brother . telling of the meeting, the discussion to assassinate JFK and =~ — the presencd of Jack Ruby. He smuggled the letter out, probably. ‘tThhough Mexico. ‘The deal was that Castro would supply Ruby with a flow of drugs. Ruby would get the money to buy the drugs by being given the winning number in the bolito drawing. That's how Ruby would be vpaid off.. When Cuban exile got letter somm CIA agents found out about it, but | ‘Abefore they could get it from him, he made contact with the FBI here in Miami and he turned over the letter to agents from the Miami. FBI office. They advised him that it was a very delicate situation and not tell anyone about it, . a HW 50955 ~DocId:32264840 Page 2.
Sturgis doesn't know name of Cuban exile, but he worked in a factory in Miami or Hialeah, Hets going to try to find out, he's checking on it now. ; The friend he ran into, the guy with the Company, was the one who told him Tarabochia had this information. Sturgis says the background is this: Ruby had gone to Cuba many |. times and while he was there he was trying to get some action because "McWillie was a friend of his, aS you know." (NOTE: In. interview with Canfield in Coup d'tat, Sturgis has a tough time _ Peaembering who McWillie is)¥page 243). This is where Ruby - probably thought @ up the idea of making a deal with Castro. vo"We all know he had criminal connections." There should be some record of his trip through the American Embassy in NW 50955. DocTd:32264840 Page 3 “Mexico City of his trip to Cuba through there. "But this could... have been a secret xXx trip he went on, on the other hand, if. 7 he was involved am in an assassination," oe He doesn't know how long after the assassination the Cuban exite- _ got the letter from his half-brother. (1+ probably came via Mexico) Sturgis: "This man here like to had a shit hemorrhage." (Coincidence?: From Robert Morrow's Betrayal: "Not to be vulgar," . | thought aloud, "but he'll! have a shit hemorrhage." Morrow was” speaking of Castro's reaction to his counterféét operation.) (l asked him about Crile's piece in the Wash. Post re the Castro- Trafficante relationship) Sturgis says that's news to him. But he doesn't believe it because Castro kicked out the mob and Lansky and Traffticante lost their casinos. "! told Santos one day, | said, 'Santos, just xekxa lett a meeting with Castro and he ordered me to “close down the casinos for 1t0 days." And he did. Sturgis was put in charge of casinos for a white by Gastro. Sturgis believes if that was the case, that would make Afteman an agent for Castro also. But if he did make contact with Trafficante “it was through Rolando Martinez, because he knew Trafficante very well, he used to work for the Havana Hilton, so he knows all. xe the mob people, "He knows them as well as 1 do." “Aleman and Martinez are MEKKEKR very close friends. “Barker got fired from the CIA because of his connections with the “racket people,
Sturgis - 6/30/76 - tatel --says Tarabochia should remember Castro-Ruby incident because "} know theCtA agent, or former agent, who. told him about it." -=thinks the woman he mentioned as being at the meeting was Tanya, - Che's secretary who was killed witty him in Bolivia.. -also trying to get name of Cuban exile in Miami who received the tetter --his ex-ClA friend spoke to Tarabochia about it at the time and perhaps Tarabochia wk should. have it on record... © .it should also be part. of +he FBI files in Washington, along with the original letter... 9 | ( -CIA should have a report in too, "We sent the report in.” aad --re Cellula Fantasma: (Was that Company operation or Naval Intelligence operation?), "No, Company operation.” The people ‘who were involved.in that were Dr. Louis Conte-Aquerra (sp?); he asked my assistance and |-went to see my CO, who was Sam Jenis. Conte-Aquerra was assoctated with the Company and they came to me because they knew | was about the mw only one who could do successful air operations. So they asked me if | would do a series of five air operations and | said, certainly, | would... (re | heard of the relationship nk of Jukio Lobo and his anti-Castro activity. |! understand Bill Attwood went down to interview him and... weft, Bill was with the Company. ..» No, wait a minute, wait a minute... Attwood, Attwood...! forget...t think he was with / the Company...!'m not sure offhand...| didn't know all the agents." (Wasnit it Rojas in charge of Cellula Fantasma?) Conte-Aquerra was the big man on if. Hets the one who arranged for the financing for the people that | would do the operation for... 9 | As a matter of fact, | went on three of ther myself..! couldn't ‘qet the Cubans to do it so. | used Americans. One of the plodots . . was Bilt Johnson..) a (What was Rojas! rote?) 1! didn't fool! around with;sRojas. You know, there was a movement within CIA which told Conte-Aquerra that he vas going to be a big official in the new government. And many of | the agents who were also going to get positions went along with the idea that Conte Aquerra would be the president of the new Cuba. And he was being financed through his own CIA contacts to do a series of these operations (How does Lobo fit in?) Well, Julio gave money. He was working calso with CIA. He was qiving money which he was taking off income “tax and so forth. This was +he way what you'd call “washiag™ money. ‘This is how CIA would wash money through different Cuban business | -people-~and American businessmen--which wouldn't lead directly . to the CIA. Julio Lobo was one of the people. 50955 Docld:32264840 | Paye 4
(Were you dealing with him much?) Well, | worked with him, but l wasn't dealing directly with him because he wasn't connected with k the x People | was associated with. He was more with the economic section, you know, that certain officials dealt with. (You met him here in Miami or Havana?) In Havana. But | didnit+ have any e# dealings with him because, you know, certain people. _ worked with certain people. It was the thing that you call compartmentation, you know, . ©” They dealt with didferent people in difterent Ways. Just like: Tony Verona. He was a CIA agent. He not only was one of the leaders, -hé was an agent per se. And even today Manolo Artime is still anoagent. He wasn't then but he-is today... He's stilt with them. You know he was the civil coordinator between the Revolutionary Junta and the Bay of Pigs..; (mentioned Gerald Shamma. and her Artime story) Heh heh bh, she ‘told you that stor » eh. | wish she hadn't told you that sbory, heh heh heh, a . Artime: "When he came. back from Cuba, they made him a businessman, they made him a very wealthy man. | think he's got a little problem with Semoza now, but he was working closely with him, **But if you're with the right people they don'+ give a shit what you did, as long as they control you. The CIA got some shits of the wortd working for them, oO The Agency slammed the door on all four of us when we got out of prison, Colby sent orders out to af} stations not _ to tétk to us or have any contact with us. Bubt it makes no difference fo me, if | need to get to them | go through other people., But, hey, thatts the name of the game,. | guess. When you get | -into the big league stuff with the poweféul people up in Washington or Langley, if the wrong group of people are in control and you're. . not in that league, they can hurt you. And right now the wrong . “9roup is up there. Have been since Colby'ts been up there. Colby's “GOTt his own people and I'm not one of them." oe ‘Looks like they're getting ready to hang w» Lucien Conein) Well, YOU know, Howard knew him very well. Evidentally, he's been involved in some things and they don't want to let it come out. ‘But there's a jot o¢ shit Colby has been involved in and he comes. out smeéting like a rose” Evidentally, he [Conein] is in Ramd bad with the wrong people. Colby cleaned house and put his own people in theeeam and what they do is use people for sacrificial] lambs... like they did us in Watergate...to take the heat off of them.. Howard himsel ¢ didn't realize that he was used and we in turn ‘worked with Howard and they buried all of us.. .H-50955., Docla: 32264840 Page 5
0955 — Docld:322764840 Page 6. But like | told you before, Bennett was the man who really did a number on the President. (Bennett of Mullens Co.) And though... they closed house and withdrew all the agent that were overseas. working for the x Mullens Co, they re-opened a new company and had to re-do the agents with the new company. | curious to find out where Bennett is right now. (Howard Hughes connection) Oh yeah, they used him. They let him make a lot of money. There's still a lot of places down here especially that are still CIA fronts.. -remembered also that Castro! S “62 at meeting name waskR Romero Valez.
-notes--call from Frank Sturgis 7/28/76 -tatel ~-said he wasn't surprised by the Schwelker announcement of running with Reagen: " +hink Schweiker's using this thing, but, hey, you can't blame him, he's a politician. The thing worked out beautifully for him." Then he asked: "tg he still. officially investigating the JFK thing?" I said, yes, he was still interested. After a few minutes of inconsequential conversation, he asked again: "Hey, jet>me ask you something. - Are you still checking up on the JEK thing?" I-said, yes, | was. Then he said: "I told you about that letter from Cuba, didntt 1?” | said we wm had checked up on it and that we had gotten 4 - memo from Tarabochia about it but the memo said nothing about . Castro, although it did mention.a trip to Cuba by Ruby. He asked did the report mention about The letter that came | to the relative in Miami, he said his friend "Salvatore" Lthe > former CIA man] told him definitely there was 4 kk letter a and that "Bob Dwyer probably was the man [the FBI agent], because: — he was in charge of the Cuban desk at the Bureau downtown, was. a probably one of the agents who picked up the fetter." | told him that Tarabochia's memo indicated only that Ruby went to Cuba, not that he had seen Castro, and that the FBI man was James O'Oonnor, not Dwyer.: Sturgis asked how we got a copy of that memo and | told him | didn't know. He implied +hat perhaps if was changed or censured and | said that was possibte. for all | knew, because | had never seen the original. Ho then said that Ruby could have been to Cuba without people knowing it, of course. , Sturgis then asked me if | @ had ever heard of Lyle Stuart. i} said yes. he's the Bs book Bk publisher who has published a tot of sensational and controversial books. "You know he supposedly met Oswald a month before Kennedy was assassinated in Miami, accorddna to a report i'm trying to track down.™" There's supposed to be something in the newspapers in 1963 before Kennedy was killed about Oswald being in Miami, Sturgis said,and | -he is going to the library to check up on that. Ss tyte Stuart, says Sturgis, was head of the Fair Play for Cuba — “Committee. "it was also. reported he was very pro-Castro and ‘that Castro was supporting him financially and that Lyle Stuart was seen with and connected with Oswald. And it was reported in the papers +hat Oswald was here a month before the assassination. Now it may all be bullshit but Tim still aoing to check it out.” Stureis said the man who told him this was 4 writer who was "pretty. much involved" in the investigation of the assassination. He was | with him last night, and the guy said that Lyle Stuart would be the a one to check with. The guy's name 1s Bob Travlins. Ol did ask him & if it would be alright for him fo talk with you.” “at this time Sturgis went to get Traitins phone number and in the ‘background | could hear The television news which -- coincidental ly \<=~ happened just then to announce the news of Howard Hunt. filing, the . $2-1/2 million libel suit against Weberman &@ Canfield. "Did you. . hear that?” Sturgis asked, just +o make sure. Ce og 5 S955 DocId: 32264840 © Page 7
2 “What Ellis is doing," said Sturais, “is to file Howard's now and then by the m# end of the week or next week he's filing mine. Both Howard and myself are using Ellis." CEItis Rubin, ~ focal controversial attorney is most known in Miaml for his a publicity ploys and long-standing. feud with State Attorney (Dade Co.) Richard Gerstein. ] Sturgis said the suit mak would be against"... > the authors and publisher of Coup D'Etat.- and against Playboy and Hefner and later maybe against Dick Gregory ("As soon as | dig up enough about him." | said libel suits are tough to win, “Yeah, but hey," said Sturgis [St. George was right: he says "but hey" a lot], even if we get a judgment for a dollar | it'tt stop all the shit about us being involved in the the assassination of John F. Kennedy.” Be " He asked if | had a chance to speak with the Cuban who received that letter, | said no, | haven't had a chance because as a result . of his television appearances Wally Weston had come forth with his information and | had been busy-on that. "I spoke to Wally Weston tonight," said Sturgis, "and | have a meeting to sit down and find out what he can tell me and so forth." Back on Oswald's meeting with Lyle Stuart, Sturgis said he thinks it may have been possible because there was a report that he himself had met Oswald in Miami and that could have been very possible, what with al! the anti-Castro people he met and the ‘~double-agents, but he himself didn't remember it. But he did hear that Stuart was connected with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and getting financial assistance from Cuba. “This Bob Tralins was a friend of his and dislikes the man very much, but he definitely told me this," Switching subjects, | asked him what he knew about operations - — that took place from Cay Sal istand, [the Hughes connection. ] = - All he knew, he said, that Fhere was a black Customs official who tried to’ keep people off the island because the CIA used itas | a stepping stone, like a "listening post" off the coast of Cuba... “He himself didn't have any operations from there. "Qn some of 0 ow) F .. the island close by there we stopped by occasionally for several.’ houss, but | kept away from Cay Sal because it was being operated: Yow by other people, other groups." [777] was it ClAvor other opesators?. > They were CLA operations. One time Barker got a hold of me because | was doing something, in some operations with Bill Johnson which | was financing, and Barker got a hold of me and said, 'fhey, we're: doing something very sensitive in that area' and he asked me to .. stop for a while and ago into another area." [Note: This is obviously. £ [very gel be Who was Sturgis working for if not CIA? Here he became | very deliberately convoluting and wound up talking about Pinar de Rio.:- operations in Cuba, ] | asked him if he was involved in the training camp in. New Orleans wttth Gus DeLabarre and Rudopph Davvs: "No," he said quickly. "Not. at all. | never _ knew about any training camp in Dalles...or : New Orleans.” [NOTE: WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DALLAS??? ] HW.50955 Docld;32264840 Page 8
! asked him about the guy who was reportedly the head CIA man here, Mr. B, or Bender or his supposedly "real" name, Drescher, and what he looked like. "Oh, | don't know,” he said. "I mean | never met him. You've got to understand the agents didn't talk to the contract employees, but there would just be a telephone system of reporting. The telephones were connected by relays so that if the FBI were checking the number .. it would be ltocated in one area but it would just be a relay station, so they could never check it down.” Sturgis talked then about Schweiker and the Reagen situation and | said | thought they would have a tough fight on their hands . against Ford who, after all, has all the power. "I disagree ~~ with you," said Sturgis. "I think the power is up there and © they're advising him what to do. He's being controlled, like | all Presidents are. Certain power groups control, you know what | mean?" , _fle changed the subject and mentioned he had been out in California last week. He said he was invited out by Chuck Ashman [a former Miamian who has a radio or TV talk show out there and has written some exploitation books about the Mafia and the ClA]. Sturgis said he has Oscar Fratey (author of "The Untouchables") who wants to do the story of his life. [Fraley's latest book is on Jimmy Hoffa]. Ha said he has been tryina to get’a hold of his ex-agent friend (Satvatore) who told him about the Ruby in Havana story to get more ftnformation but the quy is in the Domican Republic for the week. a “Sturgis then asked if it were possible to aet a copy of the. -Tarabochia memo and | said | would check on that with my office. The conversation got back on the CIA: "Tbe CIA is very funny," he said. "They do things right up to a point and then they turn. right around and.screw you. Pepending what their policy is} If they... , “want to change it they!IIl change it and bury your ass too. “dn the last few vears they've had their own internal: power struggle “and in that struggle a lot of people wk get hurt who are decent ~ ‘people. Like if | favor Howard Hunt and his boss gets whacked out, then everybody down the tine goes. That could go into hundreds or -couple thousand people. Just like when Helms left. 1 told you... that Nixon wanted some files from Helms and Helms wouldn't give it to him, so the President fired him. Now I'm assuming, from--. omy discussions with certain CIA officials fired now, the files... he wanted pertained to the Bay of Pigs and also the JFK assassination. And Helms didn't to turn them over. He was scared that if hew.. “turned it over to the President, that Haldeman and Erlichman — would have used it for political reasons. And after Helms was... fired McCord turned aa“ around and said, ‘If Helms qoes, all. the trees in the forest will falifi' That's why McCord blew the. > 50955 Doctd:32264840 Page 9 : ON
“whistle on the President. Well, you know who Deep Throat was, don't you? | think Helms ordered Bennett to bury Nixon. ‘Deep Throat was probably several guys, but the main man was | Bennett, the CIA man. Unfortunately poor Howard got sucked into this thing, | don't think he even knew anything about it. And Bennett was his boss, both at the Mullen company and, | suspect, his CIA chief also. Oh yeah,.! believe certain CIA officials, Helms the major. one, set up Nixon to be caught.: And the company's hot at me because | told all this to the Rockefeller and the Senate Watergate committees, But fuck'em, they screwed me enough all. these years. Maybe Schweiker will get to be the Vice Bresident and I'll get him to get me into ClA- and I'll clean that place up myself..." And on that note.... #HE HW 50955 Docld:32264840 Page 10
left this country with a k£ax¢e falsified Passport. ‘He ‘says he had lost his citizenship back in the mid-50's. without “Foreign Legion. He Says it was taken away without a hearing or trial. “Notes -~ call from Frank Sturgis w/ Ed Keiser.8/2/76 tatel Says he's at a friendts house and this friend Just came back from Israel. He was in one of the bia notorious prisons over there, Romley (sp?) prison outside Tel Aviv, the top security _ prison where al| the major captured terrorists are flocked uD... »»ehis friend is very much in with the American Jews in this area and he had gone to Israel with the idea of tryina to help Israel as an undercover agent, to help infiltrate the PLO. He did that and came back with a lot of information. Sturgis told him-he would try to get someone to talk with him because he feels there is much information his friend has that our government shoutd be aware of, since he made friends and has a fot of connections now with the terrorist leaders in prison, He put himself in Prison with. the knowledge. of israeli Intellengence. a "This guy has worked for me in the Past and he's worked as an undercover agent for Several federal] agencies. He used to be with the French Foreign Legion, the guy is realty a hot-shot guy," --Name is Edwin Keiser , Sturgis said he thought |} might find this guy's sfory of interest. "Whether if can be of any help tO you or Schwéiker, | dontt know. After all, your boy fs running for politics now." - | said | didn'+ know whether Schweiker would be interested in that. information since it's really outside our subject area, "You never can Tell," said Sturgis, “you know how politictans are, lf they think there's a little bit of something that they might be able to use and Schweiker, | don't know what =» kind of rellaious background he's get but that sounds. Jewish anyway." losaid | wasn't interested in the Political aspects of any kind. eof intelligence information and } didn't think Schwiker was either, "Well, why dont+ you just say hello to my friend here anyway," said Sturgis. "He's got an interesting backgoound, I've Known, him for a number of years and he's good to know." "Hel b, Frank," { Seid, “isn't there anybody you ‘don'+ know?" “Sturgis laughed and said, "Well, there were some peopde | swear | didn'+ know and I'd like to keep it that way. Ha, ha, ha, you know, one cof those things.” f Ed Keiser got on the phone and said that his prohtem was that the American Embassy in Israel, specifically the vice consul (whose “mame is John Adams and who is, in fact, chief of the CLA Station), told him Fhat when he, Keiser, returned to the U.S. he would be in touch with certain people and now he found that no one wants - to tatk with him, because technically he's under arrest for having his knowledge of losing it, when ke he Joined the kxemx French — and he has since found out that shouldn't have been done. He Says, however, he has never stopped fighting Communists and he has been | out of the country severa| times since then on false Dassports, .- aac teeny a AW 509545 Docld: 32264840 Page ii
This last Time he went to israel he went on a forged passport and after a month and a half he gave himself up and agreed to work undercover in the prison for the Israeli government. He was in Romley prison for five and a half months, including with .- the 43 people they wanted to exchange on the hijacking program in Uganda, all the top-ranking terrorists. He kexd left in good standing with these terrorists, including the six Jews and 30 Arabs who had plotted to take over the israeli government | who had come in out of Syria. He dame back to the U.S. to be prosecuted, paroled to this country .by the Israeli government an an kx Israeli. "| brought back quite a bit of information with me," he said. La For instance, he said, he was ‘in prison with an American. whose ‘father is a very big man in. the California movie business. The son was arrested for smuggling a half a ton of hashish, and - 50955" his famity is dealing heavily here in the States and in South _America with cocaine and other drugs. : The Federal agents he's xxx tried to talk with said they can't talk with him because he's under arrest wan (for false use of a passport) and his case is not resolved. : - "It's really stupid,” he says. "I'm carrying information around with me, | supposed to be in contact with intelligence over there and carry on with what | was doing,wand | can't even talk with oy people in my own coumitry to see if they want me to contines.." He was arrested by FBI here after he arrived at Kennedy airport, after being deported by Israel. They put a $25,000 bond on xk him in New York and another $25,000 bond in Miami. They mw brought him here for prosecution because here's where he falsified the passport. He sags he was also subpoénaed to Watergate when Frank was involved andihe brought up Information that could have really hetped Frank, the information was taken but nothing was done. "It was -really.a- sad thing,” he seid. "tl think it was just used politically. | had: agents in Cuba that were coming out of Havana who were willing to come here and testify, but the Senate wouldn't send a PBY or-couldn't+ get authorization to pick them up. This all went to Howard Baker and ~ his assistant Liebenqood and they didn't do anything. i have but - “one life to. live and l'?l give it to my country, but | felt sour about that. He said he was working with the Cubans here in Miami for a while after Watergate but he decided to ao to Israel and fight Communish there "because those people are serious. He says he effectively infiltrated the terrorist and- Communist groups within Israel prisons and he brought out important information but ‘now "it seems like my own country could care less about it.” He says he'd like to get the information primarily to. the CIA, ‘expecially stuff about the k PLO. He says he has pages of information which, ff - “he dropped on the United Nations "would blow the lid off.” “He wouldn't . do that, of course, without the authorization of. his government; cet, i'm sitting on a g keg of dynamite here and | don't know: why my . government is not at feast talking with me... If they want to. lone me “Jail, put me jail, but at least first talk to me. Decld: 32264840- Page 12
He says his wife put up +heir house to raise money for his bond. .-° -He says he's being represented by a public defender because he cant afford an attorney: Edward G. Galante (305-350-4391) He says he talked to people from DEA who say they're interested in what | got and to head of intelligence of U.S. Customs (Steve Czukos) here in Sotith Florida == but they all. put him ‘of* and he hasn't heard from any of them. -~-meanwhile, he says he is supposed to get back in touch wk with “dsraeli intelligence, he has a code and it max should have been started a week.ago, but he doesn't want to start it up “again without making our government aware of what he is doing. He says he also has agents with the PLO who are waiting now in Rome for him and he has been putting that off Too. He says his attorney is tatking about making a deal with the government but he's not interested, he's interested only in ‘getting out the information he has... . - ') think that the information | have has something to do with the security of this nation, because it has something to do with the security of Israel." He says just the information he has on drugs alone is valuable. “The guy he met in prison who was busted with a half tong of hash should be out in two or three weeks and he's on &x his way back to California with a conspiracy he put together in the Israeli prison... Keiser says he's got knowledge of how ‘drugs are coming in, who's arranging for them, and who is -carryinag them, «He says the DEA told him they are interested but because he is” “still on charges and has a court case pending, it is not allowed- to talk with him or work. wRk with him.. 2His home number is 832-3358. He said: "tf you can't get’a hold of © ame, you can always get a hold of Frank and he'll! know where 1am because | don't do anything without his knowledge anyway." | totd Keiser t don't know what, if anything, ! could do about chis problem but that | would bring it to the attention of my office. Sturgis than got on the line again and said that what Keiser forget +o mention to me is that he has informatoon that PLO leaders are using the drug traffic to finance their terrorist operations. f 50955 ; Docld: 32264840 Page if
HW 50955. Sturgis 8/4/76 tatel ~-asked if 1 contaeted the person who got the note from Cuba re meeting of Castro and Ruby... asked if -! would give him the ar names and details again of tbe Tarabochia memo... ~-doesn'i+t know the name of Pratkin or Paskin mentioned in memo. . (Why would Ruby visit him?) Well, why would Ruby go visit ~McWillie.. You know McWillie was one of the big boys there... so evidentally he had more than. one connection...but remember when he went over there there were no more racket guys there, so why would he go see this man? --Trafficante came out, | think, in 60, when they closed The casinos...that was after | came out...! left in June of X2887*989- 1959 -- the casinos were stil | operating... (Could Trafficante have had a deal with Castro?) | doubt it. "Remember | closed the casinos for 10 days on Castro's orders. There was a big uproaa. 1! told Trafficante and some of these otherpeople, because | was in charge of the casinos for the government, and | told them, | says, | want to tell you something for your own good, Fidel has said that kesx he's going to run all the gangsters out of Cuba and ta&ke all their businesses, On one of my tours of the casinos | ran into Santos and | told Santos,! said, ! want to tell you something, if you see your other friends tell them | was in the prime ministers office with. Fidel and Bidel said he's gonna nationalize all the American businesses here and he 's goinna run you fuckin! gangsters out of Cuba.' And he says, 'Naah, he can't do that, we got. over a hundred million dollars in investiments here! Who the fuck does he think he is?! He was really hot. "That sunavatich should be dead!! Naah, he was an enemy of Fidel's. A(Whatts behind Crile piece then?) | don't know. Crite took some cracks at me. Well, | can't say that's wrong, because | don't know, all | can say is what happened to me and what | know. ~ a But, let's face it, Martinez worked for the mob. He was working - for the Havana Hilton when | met him in 1959 on the baccarat. table. Bere. c7knows Aleman, not well, ‘not buddy buddy with him like SiSiaie never talked to him about this; "I'm surprised Aleman came up with: - a that because one time Aleman borrowed some money from Santos when he needed it." Trafficante kill SFK2. "I dontt think so, no, | don't think. so. The man most logically to want to kill JFK would be that guy & in New Orleans, whassisname, yeah Marcelle. He would be the logical one." Surprised Aleman said that. "He's got a lotta balls to say that in the paper; axaeekukkxx but why didn't it come out down here?" *% ‘But | don't know why Martinez & is working with Barker. Barker is a totten sunavabitch. But one of these days I'll find out why a. certain CIA agent wanted me to do a domestic assassithation. 1 wish | Bad a good memory to km find out when it was asked me because that. | would nail that sunnavabitch CO of the party, because as | understand. his CO was very leftist and considered an undercover Communist. agent, but I'll dig it out one of these days..." . woe DocId: 32264040 Page 14
You know, Ambassador Smith cated who was ~chief of CIA in Havana in 1959, a “Goddamn communist.” Oh, you don't know what went on... (Was there a Cogswell also?) | don't know, I'll have to check some of my notes on some of these things. You know Paul Bethel was there also, he was the press agent...that was a nice little cover...yeah, he was an agent... ‘he may be retired right now, but | believe hets done some contract work for them off and on... Nee No, | can't believe that Santos worked with 8d Fidel! You know | told you that they contacted me once, wanted me to kill Fidel.. (Yeah, Norm Rothman asked you, didn't he?) Ohmxa@ no, no, no. it was Hymie Levine and another party...but they had a lot of connections with other people, besides me, who were constantly with Fidel and if they wanted to nail him they could have..: ~Trafficante hangs out at Capra's (80th & Biscayne) when he's. in town... that's one of his people there.... 8 o'clock. | haven't been there for years, but | know, | was told one time, if you ever want to see me or something like that, 8'oclock, have spaghetti with me, vou know, welll both hit, but | don't go there, |! don't mess with him, | keep away _from zee mob...not my kind of people... ‘HW 50955 DocId:32264840 Page 15
Sturgis 8/5/76 — tatel -~asked if | spoke to Barker or Martinez yet? Crite wrote an article about me that didn't put me in a good. light. Of course, you know me and Barker & are on the outs. | | don't like Barker... You know, | was gonna put Barker's head through the wall xap in prison. The sunavabitch is a freakin' coward. 1 tried to get at him and four of the prisoners grabbed me and he went into the corner like a coddamn baby, the sunavabitch. But J'il fix his ass. . You know: | told the Senate Watergate Committee that one CIA associate of mine asked me to do-a domestic assassination, and |. told xa them it was Bernard Barker. Add | told them, if you don't believe me, give me a polygraph...And his CO was a goddamn Communist bastard! (yells) Because he - gure ftoved Fidel, even over here. But | told Barker | wanted “the orders directly from theCO because | wanted to make sure | knew who the # people was... | told Barker, if you're CO told you to contact me, then | want to see him...then So, +he CO told him he didn't m want me to do it..... And 1 donttT. know what year this was... The Rockefeller Commission really went into detail with me on that. | told them, | says, well, -|'yf be honest with you, because this is why I'm so mad at +hese goddamn CIA officials. They get you to do their dirty work and after a while they +hrow you to the wolves, Like they did at the Watergate and...uhh, you know.. uhhh... so now l'm down on them. Fuck em. well, whatayagonna do? (asked him who Barker's CO was: talked aronond it) Barker had same CO here as he had in Havana... 1 forget who is CO was, because an employee had various types of agents: Barker and : Martinez were contract agents, | was not a contract agent, because oxee 1 didn't sign a contract and | didn'+ swear to ZRKBER Secracy, — but | was a so-called field operator recruited by them to oa work for them on a cash basis, for a week or for months...but | wasn't in the same position Barker and Martinez was...because +here were times here when they wanted me to turn in Cubans > making raids against Cuba and | said, Hell, you gotta be kiddint, . l'm a goddamn revolutionary! Just because you people are not -assisting Cubans anymore, i'm gonna turn them in? Fuck you, I'm ‘not gonna do it... tike | was very close to Sam Jenis and his whole x family, we were very close, very close, since 1956, -. and | worked with that whole family, and two of the family members were CIA people, but they knew how | felt, they knew | would never betray the Cubans.. .. this here David Phillips, he knocked the shit out of me on tetevisdon, he said, “We never did no assassination, and Sturais is. full of shit, he never had no association with us, he never ‘was an agent!” Well, fuck him, the sunavabitch, a week later all the shit broke loose about assassinations and all, and the ~ Gianneanna bit, and then admitted on television that when he was ; “chief of western hemisphere diviston, that he notified the Cuban... _government--Castro! -- through the Czecheslovakian embassy, when — | Cuban groups were leaving the South Florida area to da.go TO 8. ‘Cuban and a do operations against him. Here's a man-admitting | bna¢ he was betraying Cubans to be caught over there and executed’ 50955 Docld:32264840 Page 16
(il heard & he was involved in seme Castro assassination attempts © that never came off) Le "E'm gonna tel] you something. | think it's a little game they play, | think the plots that they wanted us to do were simply done to go ahead and make certain people think that they were working. But | think what they were doing all along, they were really betraying uS, you know what | mean? They have one polic¥: Nail tem, but behind the door Stop it. The Cubans had.a d force here and they had this feeling against Castro; so to pacify certain people who had a lot of influence here, they had to pacify them by Saying, well, we're gonna do things. but at the same time they're doing the betrayal bullshit... And David Phillips convinced me that they had been doing this all along, just betraying everyone, the American public and everyone., (!l hear he was pretty much involved in the Chitean thing also) Who, Phillips? With the Allende thing? You better believe it!.. “(tl asked him why did David Phillips have an interest in his EXKKHKHE Celtlula Fantasma operation, as I had heard he had?) | don't know, he said, | really don'+ know, Well, he was pretty high up, you know... leven jn 61, 627) »-well, yeah..." Said the — guy in charge was Conte-Aquerra, he worked for the company, later they sent him to Europe on an economic missfton... "Then Diaz-Lanz got into the picture, he was Suppose to take over the group, | and that's what started a lot of Problems. We had a fot of problems and | think this is where David Phillips came in, becasse ‘then he started to get interested, you know, because of Pedro Diaz Lanz coming into the group." "I'm writing @ book. 1 Sian a contract with Oseéear Fraley this Sunday." Doing a movie with Morgan on The Trujillo thing, and Fraley will do the book of his life, less the Trujillo thing... ovo talk to Pedro Diaz Lanz, that's how | got involved in. the Trujiflo HW. 50955. DocId:32264840. Page 17 thing. And talk to him about Artime. You Artime is still working aan for the people. kmxd He'll tel | you Artime's an double agent. 0. Geraldine Shamma will tell you that also..she hates him... “ “CDo, you see him much?) Not too much, When we were in Drison, veah.. “But since I've been out I've kept away from him, | don't want a goddamn thing to do with the company... ~-CAbout about Roselli?) | think they nailed him good. How do | read it? Cuban agents. Rut | leave a question mark. | hate to jump ion something weak else, really, but they're capable of doing -anything. "Cause | did a lot of dirty work for the Sunavabitches, believe me, and they'!! get people like me -~ because you know | was considered one of the most six dangerous men in thexmaxrkxex ‘country -~ and they can get people like me to do a lot of their ‘dirty work, you know what ! mean, because jt+ leaves their hands ‘clean and if they want to discredit you they can because They have... - the force and the power, they got everything working for them... ER : had anything to do with Killing the President through. That I'}} give | them the benefit of the doubt... | ee | But 1'tl give them the benetftt of the doubt, | don't think they
Sturgis 8/16/76 - tatel | had the FBI call me, On the JFK stuff. They said, well, you made some statements on televiston andwe'd like to get together with you. Met tbem over at Denny's. It- was about when | went to Calif. and was on TV out There and made certain statements about the meeting with Castro and Jack Ruby and they wanted to know about that... said Wash. calledthm.. agents..Ben Conte and 2??? ...when | asked them about the letter, they told: me tat O'Connor had investigated that and that O'Connor was the one who spoke withme > abott The JFK assasshadion. But they told they didn't know anythingabout a jetter... x** O'Connor now in New Orteans???7?_ Hey did you ‘read anything about four constables fron Dallas who received a box of letters and documents pertaining toa meeting between Oswald and Ruby and so forht?? This bx of 3% documents turned over to Dallas DA Henry Wade....??? ...well, a friend of mine calléd*me up last night and | copied dan some shit on it...you want to rad you sate of this??? (Cis this fron clippings?) It may have -because he told me he got it out ofsame papers... _,.they turned it over to +he FBI and theygave a number and now they can't find the documents, Canyoubelieve that? Just like they can't find the letter, they can't find the documents... © ...You never got a whold of Salvadore, did you? ‘(You never gave me his name) Yes, | did, | gave you his . phone number but he told me he wouldn't talk’ toyou, Schweiker !s_ man.. a we* . Salvadore Garcia ~~ former CIA guy... says he doesn't like. Schweiker. : , The & FBI guys also asked me about Roselfi. 4 told them “1 didntt believe | knew Roselli. | told them | know nothing about it...They asked me what | thouht, | said | tout the -mob got rid of him..they're always fightingamong: themselves.. (re Crile pieces) | don't believe it. | don't think Trafficante had anything to do with it. | don't believe a qu like Trafficnte - could go ahead and do something like that on his own, he woud have to get permission from the Commission, and | don't beliwe the Commission would allow him to do something tike that. They tried it once before with Anastasia.. Anastasia wanted. totake oer some of the gambling in Havana and the Commission said no. What happened, he went against the Commission's orders And L ook what happened to him. The same thing happened to Dutch. Schultz who wanted to knock off Tom Dewey. i can't see it. . | - don't think the mob would want that kind ofcatastrophe tohappne | to Rill the president. oo ae 50955. Docld:32264840. Page ig
(re the Rolling Stone piece and Trafficante relation tothe Bay of Pigs and his contatct in thatoperation, FS) (Laughed) Was that in Rolling Stone? You know, {['m trying to get my lawyers to sue them sunavabitches for about $20 million. Well, you know the mob was here on the Beach. And remember | told you h i a the Embassy was divided and how Smith even accused | the chief of station of CIA, of being a communist because all his agents were feeding informatio to the guerillas and Castro... And here you have the mob over there, all these Cubans who were working for the mob over there, they came over here and the CIA made agents out of them! So, hey, the mob knew everything was going on... |. You know, you had Normie Rothman who had the Biltmore Terrace, which was \Batista's money, the top floor over. there was going to-house Batista if the government gave me him permission +o come into thecountry.. Now that place was the hang out of a fot.of mob people..a lot.. and a lot of Cuban CIA boys used to work for Batista...and alos intelligenc® agents from other countryes would come in there...and the. American CIA agents used to go wine and dine there, used to have a ball there _.and as far as ['m concerned, | don't have contact wok with Santos Tratficante here and | don't have any contact with the mob.. (re Watley's statement of Sturgis contact with Trafficante) Man Well, | don't know how Richard Waatley can goahead and say shit like that because that's garbaxge....That is garbage! (Who was Whatiey?):. kWhatley was one of these mercenaries who used to foo! aoround with this Jerry Patrick, trying to get involved with the Cuban exiles... You know, when | came out of Cuba they came up withall sorts of wild stories that | was the contact between the mob and te © CLA...that'a all bullshit Le -re a conflict of interest on Ellis Rubin part because of suit. with Hunt and him against CREEP (727?) | mo ..But I'm going to Washington anyway tomorrow.. Yeah, | told you.” that Senator Baker wanted to see me..yeah, they called me, _ Michael Madigan and Howard Liebengood calied me, they sayd,. come on up, we'd like to talk to you about this JFK shit. Yeah, | was surprised.... (re Martinez working at Havana Hilton and Crile saying no) That's bulishit. That's where | met Martinez when | was working for the &mbassy. | told that to the Senate Watergate “Rommittee when they asked me...(why) Well, because Martinez has been working on $100 month retainer for the CLA and he has proably dug up a lot of information for the Company and writing thebook | with Crile and talking about Trafficante and Aleman, so naturally the CIA don't want anybody to know there was any. connection...He's not ggkax going to admit he worked for the. Rakxk gamblers... [  ..- ‘met-him at the Havana Hilton working on the baccarat table... > (fairly well off?) Yeah, he did abortions, he had a whore howe: -- over there...yeah, he was pretty well off... re 50955" Docld:32264840 Page 19
(re WerBell trial) Yeah, you know | recruited the undercover agent that got Bernstine..Jerry Buchanan... i got a hold of the Company first because it was out of the country, because they have a drug..you know,, thing, but they slammed the door on me when | contacted them...!| even had to go to Washington for the damn thing...so | got a hotd of other friends of mine and.they made the conneetion.. that!s how Jeryy was recruited...and he made out pretty good, they busted one of the biggest international sux drug conspiracies in the country..-- and Bernstine turns around and he starts to work for the government.... (undercover?) Buchanan got involved up to his eyeballs with Bernstine... | don't know how he made the connection... (Bernstine involved in Bay of Pigs?) | think that's all buléshit... (Bernstine crash an accident?) No, | think somebody killed him. Hets too good a wks pilot... (WerBell) Well, he's s a friend of my old friend Andrew St. George and | think maybe Andy has helped bury werBellt a little bit... | swear to God, you can't even trust your friends nowadayS..-. oN , 50955 Docld:32264840 Page 20
50955 -notes -- Frank Sturgis - tatel - 4/18/77 (partial) (get any reaction from the New Times piece? Came drwrnke heavy on CIA..any reaction from them?) No, except David Phillips, you know every time he gets a chance he wacks me. Because I made a big liar out of him.. Ham You know when I was in frrnt of tee Rockefeller Commission, I spent > 16 hours with them, they went over very much with'me on the JFK stuff-and the mob stuff and CIA assassinatirn plots and all this «x stuff and everything started to leak out. Then David Phillips came mk out and started wacking me. Then I got mad and I said, Fuck them, the hell with them, I'll just tell the truth! And that's when I said, Yeah, damn right, I been in txem touch with them, I was associated with them!" That's when David Phillips went on television and started knocking me, saying I was never an agent. I never told anyone Iwas. I said I was associated with them. But the truth i8 I was recruited by them, because it's on record. [It's in CIA records (Did you ever meet Phillips in Havana?) I don't know. This —, is the problem. I don't know. You know my contact man, the “CO I was working with, was Colon#l Nichols. And Nichols “had * Major Van Horn working with him. And I met a few other CIA guys but I had never any cwntact with because the rest was strictly telephone. You know when you make contact with an agent, an employee, and you are directly in contact with them, if someteing happens where teey have to leave, well, they' ll give you a code name and they'll give you a “number and they'll tell you that this man Kexexwx here, so and so, will contact you, and this i§ the number. Then "he disappears . and. then it's strictly telephone. You never really in touch with one another, after the first shot, after your first man: leaves, -j....Just like Barker. Barker met Hunt only one time. When he }was turned over to Hunt...'cause Howard told me thi'...1 said, How many times did Barker ever meet you? He says, Well, one “| time. &hkxkxmx His man, who Barker was in touch with in Havana, -} when he came over here, he says, he turned Barker over to me, J -Il needed an assistant, kex he says, so he turned Barker over to | me, I met him one. time and then after that we checked by telephone, the normal way of contact. He says after that when I left, I turned Barker over tw somebody else, he said. It all depends on the situation you're in. Like Martinez, he was “in maritime operations and so forth. Well, when you're in maritime operations you come in direct contact with one or more CIA CO's ~ at one time....fas a result of working on a ship where CIA officials ' EE are &&kx restricted in their movements].. in maritime you have more personal contact with then, because thep stay with the mehnnx mother ship... : . (why is Phillips on your back?) Becanse I told the Conmittee chat -the CIA helped Fidel.. The Communists were out to kill Fidel at the. “Decla: 32764040 Page 21
very beginning when we came out of the mountains. When Ambassador Smith asked the CIA the background of the Castro brothers and his top military officials, the Cia said no, they had no communist background. Well, the FBI in the Embassy _ waS given all the information on the Castro brothers, but : ‘the ldn't give Smith the correct intelligence informaténn. $e William Cardwell, was the CIA station 6 chief and e Smite Called | noteing-but a fuckin communist. He said 90 % of tee agents that work for me here are noteing but “  pro-communist bastards. That's why. CIA had Smith removed _ through pressure in Washingtan.,. And | was another .. one of them. He was later Barker's C ere, and that sunavabitch was way to the left. (when was [ Barker's CO here?) Right after Himt You. see, Hunt Teft a week before the invasion. got tr be Barker's next political officer. Hunt w acK up to _Washington and was in the Cuban desk, and the man...remember Hunt was a political officer...and Hunt was transferred from the. politicad office tr work with David Phillips, who was propaganda... (When wa$ Bender here?) F ank Bender? He was here before, _ during and after the Bay of Pigs. He's a queer sunavabitch, <a (Wasn't he Barker's CO?) No! Bender? No! Bender was . | over-all chief of CIA here for the poliitcal section. That's / Old Droller. He wa$ German born...and he was faggot too. ~~ No, he w : cer's CB. Barker's CO was Hunt and teen CO. ait vast | | worked under Bender, just | [Not | I Droller also called DRESCHER...]_ (Don't know where Droller i$ now; may be retired; he's a few years older than Hunt..) (RE PRIO); under xn financial pressure recently; wife only allotted him $1000 a month: he snorted Coke for years; only those close tr. him knew how much business pressure he was under..***] asked a | friend of mine who was close what happened..." (Dmran?7??] =» - “No, he wasn't involved in narcotics...only yeass ago back in Batista’s day, everybody wag then..but all he did now was sniff coke...has all his life... Sea arnt re eee HW 50955.. Docld: 32264840 Page 22
Frank Sturgis - notes ~ O/B ,/77— Sees kre Lorenz story) (Had you known she was going to break this?) No! | got a call Monday night, tonight's. Wednesday, right?,.from Paul Meskil, and Paul told me, he says,"Frank, Merita gave me something and | wanted you to ke know about it and | want your comments on it." | says, "Shoot." He says, "You know, she has made statements and gave it to us and omy editor is thinking about putting it in the papers." So | says, "What is it?" He says, "Well, she claims, she says, you know, this, this ‘and this about Alex Rorke and some pictures somewheres in a training camp, |! suppose, you know,. and pictures of you, _ Pahaz Lanz, |. think she mentioned Diaz:Lanz, I'm not sure, well > anyway, me, Oswald and so forth. So l says, "Oh yeah, what else?" And he says we had some maps out with a couple of Cubans, . Pedro Diaz Lanz, y6urself, Oswald, and it had RQkaxx&x Dallas, “ and that we were, we all got into two automobiles and we drove to Dallas a couple days, a few days, whatever, before the assassination, and +hat we went there, and that we were members of Operation 40, and that we went there specifically to go ahead and kill the President of the United States. | says, "She's got to be out of her goddamn mind! She's gotta be whacko to say shit like that! How the hell can she prove this? | says, | volunteered, like you know with the JFK assassination, to take a polygraph. i says, ['tt do the same goddamn thing now! That she's Iying."™ oe ey ha says something about supposedly the two pictures that she had, one was missing with some German girl who was ‘supposed to write her book.... (Had she ever mentioned this to you before?) Not a thing -sebout that. You know, my own opinion, she's been messing varound with these gangsters. And yak you know, the father “of one of her kids is a very wealthy man, owns some race horses ‘and stuff Like that, a Jewish cuy, and he's a loan shark for the mob. (Know his: name?) Ed something. i think maybe him ‘on the other ke guy might have pushed her, because she's always -<brhtening that she needs money, and {| think maybe more or less “they busted her balls and said, hey look, you want cash for your took, this and that, you gotta k qet something. spectacular, vou know, they always came up with some goddamn mob lawyers “tor her to handle her book and so forth, and you know, she's \ «a tittte whacko. This is the conclusion f come to, but | don't senan whetts behind her mind to do this, because, hey, we're “friends, but, christ, with something like this, she's actually ‘qetting hersééf, and Pedro and myself involved in killing svthe President! She's gotta be out of her goddamn mind! “Was she in Miami at that time, in November of '637?) “1 can't remember that long. Alf | know is, tike | told you, the tay that Kennedy got killed | was here in the house. It beats the chell out of me, | can't get remember that long if she was here vat the time.” ‘ Nongha - pratt | reVane-EI ft MW .50955..-Dockd:32264040-~ Page 23°"
"Well, you know, too, she was Perez Jimenez's mistréss. And Perez Jimenez was giving some of the Cuban people money. And also in New Orleans, with money and so. forth. And she told me, at one time, that possibility at one time that Jimenez wanted to do something acainst the Kennedys. Now | don't know who she meant, wbether it was the President or Bobby Kennedy or what, | don't know, but it's something she told me this pas ped year when t- was up in New York. How true it is, | don't know." (Did Jimenez have a lot of money when ‘he was here?) Shit, yeah. He lived on one of the island here, kept her in a fancy apartment because you know she had a. baby by Jimenez, a cirl, and she's a split image of Jimenez. And @he was involved in all kind of bullshit, Jimenez was. ele bs) Docld: 32264840... Rage. 24... vem een But who knows whether it's true. The only way to go ahead » and get the truth out of her, Like | told Paul, ! says Paul, the people from the Assassination Committee if they believe her, should make her come to Washington and put her under oath, then ask her to take a polygrah. And i'tL yom tell you this, I'tl take 2 polygraph that the statement that she said is a comolete lie! That it jis not sot. No way in the world did | ever travel to Dallas, ‘Texas with her, with Bosch, with Pedro, or Oswald. Cause | told the Committee and |! told you, too, hey, to “the best of my knowledge | don't think | ever met Cswald. Because you know the shit that was coming out of the town from here, that | meade the statement the FBI got sax going that Oswald was in town here, and this Lyle Stuart, the cuy who was financing the Fair Play for Cuba thing, and > that's known as being backed up with Communist money, that. “supposedly Oswald was here and was on a radio station, there was some article about it in the paper, that he -appeared ing front of some TV station or something, but hey, | don't know, this fs all some bullshit talk, | don't know if he was here or notf Sut | was talking with a friend of mine today, Bob Tralins, and he remembered Oswald was here... (Talked to him last year)..."Oh you did.” (Didn't check out.) (fe Lorenz claim that Hemming was in photo) "Yeah, he called me up fast n nicht. (Where was that training camp sunnosed to have been?) "Bia Fine Key, or No Name. Well there wese several down there. We had one out in the Everatades too. fut eventually —_ they separated from me and started doing shit on their own. a Jerry had all the fuckin' carbege all over theUnited States ‘in- with him, a bunch of crazy bastards.” (Jerry knew Merita, also, “didn't he?) "E don't know. That's it, | really don't know.’ "But why Merita would sey shit Like this, | really kawex don't know either. But | tell vou sometfhing, she's got a lot of balls this gal. But, hey, this gal here did some good stuff. for’ the government, bélleve me. You know, in the past she turned.