os Ai? at at ‘a Sst oy Yer ix Sey Bb aera 3 a ye ik 1-72 > \ iy around, and I think everybody would have turned over every | possible Stone to find out anything they could that would be ! 1 useful in determining the responsibility for that assassina-~ 4 | tion. | Z 7 - I know I would have. I was a Kennedy man, and I imagine | 5 : | there were a lot of us in the outfit who identified very | e 7 | closely with the President. S ‘ Mr. Goldsmith. Did you ever know anybody by the name of : + | Maurice Bishop? : to Mr. Shaw. No. | : | Mr. Goldsmith. Do you know whether David Phillips, or : : 12 | anyone else, ever used the name Maurice Bishop as an operational a 4 : . i ae = 13 alias of some kind? | = . 2 | Mr.. Shaw. I am not aware that they did, but I would | : 5 | have to answer your question no. Dave Phillips does not seem | : 2 | Like a Maurice type, somehow. — : 4 7 Mr. Goldsmith. Did Headquarters ever criticize the : 12 | Mexico City station in any way for its handling of the Oswald in | : 13 | matter prior to the assassination? | | Mr. Goldsmith. For that matter, after the assassination? | Mr. Shaw. Not that I am aware of. I must add that crititism would have been conveyed to the Chief of Station 2 re : Mr. Shaw. Not that I am aware of. © | | t | | rather than to the case officers. i ' Ww bee Mr. Goldsmith. When Oswald returned to the United states | HW 50955 Docld: 32277214 Page 73
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id 7 Ww? 2 a a - Mt ' rr) : w 8 ~ ™ co a 7 aa OM o a = oe : * ra) ¥ a = . 1G S g me a ed Bh a : ; 7 42 % . @ =:* a. ie = = Z. ts 1 ad ts as ta a . = 1s = “iF a = (8 on = 19 ~ Ss 2 21 Jo wee 5 © : x ” 23 a aa HY S095 Bocld: | | | i i i ‘ at fl i u it tt 32277214 Page 75 1-74 debrief a man who might have other involvement inthe Soviets would not, I believe, have fallen within the purview of the 0/O Contacts Branch. Mr. Goldsmith. Do you have any knowledge of the opera- tional activity of the CI/SIG Branch of the CIA? Mr. Shaw. No. I do not know what SIG means. I have never heard of CI/SIG. CI is Counterintelligence. staff. I don't know what SIG is. Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Shaw, I would like to thank you for your testimony today. I especially would like to thank you for spending all. of this time with us. I know that you have been here since approximately 3:00 o'clock or so and it is now about 7:30. You have been very patient. Customarily, whenever a witness testifies before the Committee, the witness is given’an opportunity to make a Statement for the record. This is not a hearing, but I would like to give you the same opportunity, if you would like to take advantage of it. Mr. Shaw. Well, I might take advantage of it. I had not thought about it until you mentioned it, but harkening back to what I said a little while ago, I do believe that our organization was made up of, like Bill Colby has on the cover of his book over there on the next table, of honorable men, ; | and I do not think that anyone in the organization would have ;
if ad Fae rane ps y ike, hy 1-75 | allowed any cover-up or any destruction of evidence which might } shed some light ontthe assassination of President Kennedy. a I might add a little vignette. We had what it called a | a | 4 Libra ~Pecima’. which is a book that the people signed when : Es : | they come to a funeral or something. You may have run into | S | something 1ike this in the states, when you go in and sign | : 7 in at the funeral parlor that you were there or something. S 2 | you express your regrets -- ;pecima, in Spanish, means regrets, : 3 | or sorrow. a | i = | We had a book down in the lobby of the Embassy building : i | and when I came out one day shortly after the assassination | 3 2. | somebody in the crowd yelled Spanish for Bob, and I went over e Ho a = 12 land ,it.. . was the Governor of the State of Sonora, which is | ; 14 ha big state up in northwestern Mexico. I had known him some | : 1s | years earlier. He was the son of the General who was the : ZO ; = I) outstanding military leader of the Mexican Revolution from | = 4 ; “ 17 | about 1913 to about 1920. | : a His father had been President of Mexico!.. His father was | z 9 | assassinated, having been elected to a second term. He was | 5 20 | already elected; he had not taken office. | \ i Kee I was profoundly touched by the presence of this son of | Ios : a awd a | an assassinated President in the lobby of our Embassy to, in | turn, express his sorrow to us for the assassination of our President. Ww da That does not prove anything one way or another, but it i E85 a AT S ComPant? HW 50955 Docld:32277214 Page 76 ALRERSON stor NG wees
; made a tremendous effect on me. | As I mentioned very early in our session today, I am not i | aware that there was any exultation, satisfaction, or happi-~ ness inside the Cuban Embassy over the assassination of the de ! President. And I think, and my personal belief is, that ~ q . ‘ : : : 1 | everything points to Lee Harvey Oswald having done it, and = | done it alone. a 7 | ~ | There is nothing I have ever seen or heard which would < | lead me to. accept, for one moment, any complicity on the part SF | . a | of my Agency or any other agency of the United States E | government. Z i Mr. Goldsmith. Thank you, Mr. Shaw. = 32 | : | 7 i I would like to add that as soon as the transcript of i | this deposition is available,.we will be in touch with you = i so that you can have an opportunity to review it for accuracy foal ts H . = : and again, I would like to thank you for your time and help = 16 4 a = ! today. ~ Mr. Shaw. I thank you, gentlemen. a i (Thereupon, at 7330 p.m. the Executive Session recessed. ) = 124 C = oe S20 | a4 fi . ae WW 50955 Docld: 32277214 Page 77