476-10036-10147 JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM IDENTIFICATION FORM AGENCY : NARA RECORD NUMBER : 176-10036-10147 RECORD SERIES : National Security Files ‘AGENCY FILE NUMBER : ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM: - TO: TITLE : CIA Information Report DATE : 9/27/1963 PAGES : 4 ° SUBJECTS : DOCUMENT TYPE : CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : CURRENT STATUS : DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 9/10/2000 OPENING CRITERIA : , ; COMMENTS : National Security Files, Box 200: Vietnam,9/22/63-10/6/63, CIA - Reports. Box 2
LS a | , woe CON = ” = a - . : ELEGRAM CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY "This material contains information: effecting the : ‘National “Detence of the” United ‘States within - the - meaning “ef the - Bape vonage Laws, Title 18, U.S.C - Sees. 793 and 794, the ‘tresiimission or revelation of which in eny manner to an unauthorued person is prohibited by ‘law ; . . CLASSIFICATION — DISSEMINATION CONTROLS © SECRET. “SENT OREIGN DISS (wnen Pues tm) SSE ABROAD/ BACKGROUND. USE OY COUNTRY SOUTH ‘VIETNAM NORTH-VIETNAM REPORT NO. TOCS o8- 3/656,927 SUBJECT ‘MEETING BETWEEN POLISH INTERNATIONAL | DATE DISTR. , a SEPTEMBER 1963 oO CONTROL COMMISSION DELEGATE AND e208 ioe: NGO DINH NHU PRECEDENCE ROUTINE DATE OF 2 AND 23 SEPTEMBER 1963 REFERENCES IN 2B4OD: INFO. oo Se, a oe PLACE & VIETNAM, SAIGON (23 SEPTEMBER + 1963) DATE ACO. a SEE BELOW APPRAISAL "_ FIELD REPORT NO. FVS 9711 [ THIS Is UNEVALUATED information. source GRADINGS ARE DEFINITIVE. APPRAISAL OF CONTENT Is TENTATIVE. SOURCE | APPRAISAL: “IN -VIEW-OF THE WIDELY DIVERGENT ACCOUNTS .OF THE NHU/MANELI.-MEETING,; MANELT'S STATEMENTS CONCERNING, WHAT TRANSPIRED AT THE MEETING CANNOT BE ACCURATELY JUDGED. . . HOWEVER, IT 1S.QUITE POSSIBLE’ THAT MANELI.01D- OFFER TO SERVE AS. AN INTERMEDIARY — ‘ BETWEEN NHU AND. THE DRV. .MANELI'S STATEMENTS CONCERNING -DRV. ATTITUDES TOWARD “NEUTRALIZATION .AND. THE WAR IN SOUTH -VETNAM-.AS.WELL AS HUIS. JUDGEMENT . CONCERNING PHAM VAN DONG MAY BE ACCURATE. . PLEASE NOTE THE FIELD COMMENT IN PARAGRAPH 6, -( SUMMARY: “ON 23 ‘SEPTEMBER “1963 7 THE CHIEF OF THE POLISH ” DELEGATION. TO THE INTERNAT |ONAL CONTROL COMMISS ON (icey WN, SAIGON, DR. M. ‘MANELI SAID THAT DURING HIS MEETING WITH NGO DINH NHU ONT 2 SEPTEMBER ‘NHU ‘HAD DONE MOST OF THE “TALK ING. MANEL ‘ASKED NHU FOR HIS VIEWS ON DE GAULLE'S STATEMENT ON VIETNAM To WHICH NHU | REPLIED THAT DE QAHLLE WAS TRYING ‘TO RETURN TO THE OBJECTIVES OF. THE 1954 AGREEMENT. MANEL | ALSO. ASKED IF THE GOVERNMENT oF VIETNAM (OWN) HAD CONSIDERED DEMOCRAT IC REPUBL iC OF VIETNAM (DRY) PROPOSALS CLASSIFICATION — DISSEMINATION CONTROLS Gcaourt Excluded fram automone AO FOREIGN DISSEM, CIB sees es SECRE T. 1 ESN ABROAD cKO IS. 2 fer FORM 1K OBSOLETE PREVIOUS EDITIONS. : ; os asa eee neues Ptetteece ARTs etapa s Clana LAS tO A HR CAE ROUOS PORE NETHNE DORE TIVN SP ae BOORGE PIE Seca ONO
CASSHIEATON — OSFERRATON SONTROI, _ S Dp se pee SECRET. “i DISSE aac ic” an _ 3 a 97 APA FOR A ‘CEASE FIRE AND FOR TRADE. i ‘ie “NH REPLIED, NEGATIVELY: ON BOTH COUNTS. ‘SUBSEQUENTLY MANEL| ‘DENIED THAT: NEU HAD: EVER ae HINTED THAT MANEL | SHOULD BE AN: INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE: ‘GVN AND THE DRV. MANELT SAID THAT. THE: DRV- Couto NEVER ACCEPT NEUTRALI- ZATION ‘BECAUSE! OF INTERNAL: DRV CONDITIONS, THAT: HIS. DRV CONTACTS DID NOT BELIEVE THE VIET CONG WOULD WIN, THE WAR IN SOUTH VIETNAM ,, AND THAT DRV PRIME MINISTER ° Pi VAN DONG WAS. THE ACTUAL LEADER, oF NORTH’ VIETNAM, ) . / 2 ON 23 SEPTEMBER 1963. MANELI ‘SAID. THAT HE" HAD NOT SOUGHT A “MEETING WITH NHU AND WAS’ RELUCTANT TO ACCEPT NHU"S” INVITATION. TO MEET ON 2. SEPTEMBER, MANEL] FURTHER EMPHASIZED THAT HE HAD HAD. “NO CHANCE. To CONSULT WITH HIS GOVERNMENT ‘BEFORE THE MEETING, 3k MANEL SAID THAT: NHU: TALKED, ABOUT THE: PHILOSOPHY oF THe . STRATEGIC: HAMLET PROGRAM, MILITARY PROGRESS. IN SOUTH VIETNAM, AND- HIS: REASONS FOR BEING ANTI. ~COMMUNI ST. MANEL SAD THAT NHU.DLD MOST OF THE TALKING WHILE’ MANELI CONFINED HIS: ‘CONVERSAT [ON Ta. SUBJECTS .OF INTEREST TO. THE: ICC, MANELI'S QUESTIONS ANib-NHytsis 77% : ANSWERS FOLLOW:: ee A, MANELI ASKED. NHU FOR-HLS. VIEWS ON. DE. GAULLE! STATEMENT. ON VIETNAM, NHU” ‘SAID THAT’ HE HAD. ‘NoT SEEN THE OFF IC HAL TEXT. BUT ; “WAS. FAMILIAR WITH: “THE: PRESS: ACCOUNT: “HE SAID. THAT DE GAULLE WAS SIMPLY. CALLING. FOR A RETURN’ TO: THE ‘ORIGINAL: CONCEPT OR OBYECT IVES CLASSIFi CATION — PsERRATION ED “US Poo Sai TRO Woo TiSSEH ion Wi a
CLASSIFICATION — ~ DISSEMINATION CONTROLS ne SECRET (When Filled in) TDESd8-3/656,927 : gh DISSE : : ne ban ist out NATURE OF. THE PRESENT: “UNNATURAL DIVISION OF VIETNAM. m ee B. MANELT ASKED IF THE GVN- HAD’ CONSIDERED THE DRV: SUGGESTION THAT A CEASE- FIRE BE CONCLUDED -NHU REPLIED THAT A CEASE-FIRE: WAS NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS TIME.~~- —_ | | = Cy MANEL | ASKED 1F THE GVN-HAD CONSIDERED HO .CHI MINH*S | PROPOSAL THAT TRADE RELAT ONS BE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE, GVN AND ‘THE ORV WITHOUT: REFERENCE TO ‘POLITICAL DIFFERENCES: NHU. REPLIED THAT THIS: WAS’ ABSOLUTELY. OUT OF THE QUESTION. . | 4, MANELY DEPLORED: THE “IMPLICATIONS OF THE: COLUMN BY JOSEPH ALSOP WHICH ALLEGED THAT: NHU HAD EXTENDED " EXTRAORDINARY. COURTESIES" TO MANEL | AND THAT “THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT. WAS -INVOLVED, IN-FOSTERING NEGOTIATIONS -BETWEEN ‘THE ‘GVN- AND THE DRV. “MANEL! DENIED “THAT NHU ‘HAD EVEN HINTED THAT “HE WOULD LIKE TO USE. MANELET AS A~CHANNEL -OF -COMMUNICAT IONS TO ‘THE -DRV, 5, ' PASSING TO“OTHER MATTERS, MANEL I. SAID THAT THE :DRV COULD i NEVER -ACCEPT 'NEUTRALTZAT ION: BECAUSE OF INTERNAL STRESSES AND | IDEOLOGICAL’ CONDITIONS” THERE. “IN. REPLY TO A QUESTION WHETHER HIS DRV CONTACTS: REALLY BEL i EVED: THAT THEY WOULD. WIN. THE: WAR IN: ‘SQUTH WKETNAM, /MANEL 1 - -PONDERED FORA: LONG TIME AND: THEN SAID, " I DO NOT | THINK: SO." “MANELI*ALSO SATO ‘THAT: PRIME. MINISTER PHAM: VAN DONG: of 7 | HELD REAL. POWER. AN, THE. . DRY. AS. HO CHI MINH WAS "GETTING QUITE, OLD. " be » (FIELD COMMENT : L (8), TALKED” TO NHU ON« _GLASSIFICATION — DISSEMINATION CONTROIS SECRE T — eee af best RBROAD/BAGNEROVAD OSE SS
; “GREEEATION — BESERINATION CONTIG 21 mh Be, os . mo SECRET... | on... [TDCS08-3/656,927 -_ iQ: FORESON DISSE. _. ]TOCSo¢ , _ {When Piles tn) Suen cu Wk al ee 6 SEPTEMBER AND OBTAINED, A CONSIDERABLY: ‘DIFFERENT. VERSION OF WHAT "TRANSP'IRED ‘BOTH BEFORE” AND: DURING | THE. "NHU/MANEL MEETING; NHU © a SAID THAT MANEL1 ‘HAD MADE:. SEVERAL. EFFORTS ‘TO SEE HIM BUT THAT HE 7 HAD REFUSED UNTIL! ITALIAN AMBASSADOR: D'ORLAND | “AND: THE “INDIAN | ICC: COMM! SSI ONER: -GOBURDHUN.: PERSUADED: NHU TO CONSULT. WITH. MANEL |. ACCORDING TO: NAU, ‘MANE: URGED -NHU TO -ENTER’ NTO: NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE ‘DRV; HE SAID THAT: PHAM VAN DONG HAD AUTHORIZED HIM ° TO ACT AS THE: INTERMED! ARY FOR: SUCH’ NEGOTIATIONS... -NHU- REPLIED 10 MANELI , THAT, “WHILE ‘DE GUALLE'S : STATEMENT WAS ‘INTERESTING, ONLY. COMBATANTS IN THE {WAR HAD THE RIGHT TO: SPEAK AND’ ACT, THAT-cTHE- GVN- WAS °ALLIED: WITH: THESUNITED STATES AND IT WOULD: BE. AN "IMMORAL ACT! TO EXPLORE _ MATTERS WITH THE DRV WITHOUT. AMER CAN“.KNOWLEDGE AND . THAT COMMERC {AL RELATIONS WITH THE’ DRV. WOULD ENTAIL’ INEVITABLE POLITICAL REPERCUSSIONS AND. LEAD TO: A: WEAKENING ‘OF MORALE OF ‘THE: SOUTH VIETNAMESE ARMED - FORCES.” NHU° COMMENTED THAT. ‘HE HAD ‘NO. "SECRET | CHANNEL". TO THE DRV BUT COULD COMMUN I CATE; WITH “THE. DRV: ‘AT “ANY. TIME THROUGH. - @OBURDHUN OR MANEL Is ACGORDING TO NHU,: MANEL| SAD. THAT THE GVN "WOULD SOON HAVE FOUR "ENEMIES “AGAINST. LT, PRESUMABLY. INCLUDING. THE: « U.S. NHU SATO} THAT HE REPLIED “THAT -THE” GVN:WAS. :ACCUSTOMED: ‘TO-:HAV.NG MANY ENEMIES..AND. WOULD -PREFER:TO DIE. F:LGHTIING RATHER THAN LIVE -ON ITS KNEES 7. FIELD DISSEMS STATE (AMBASSADOR LODGE) USMACY (GENERAL | | ~CASEIFICATION _ DISSEMINATION CONTROLS - “BO: FOREIGN: DISSE Rename cae cm ge nacre mmm epee A AL AREA ATED oN TATE TOTES TAN MEY POO PST ET TEIN NI CT AR FFE ENT CNT aE HT Tee Arma hae Scan