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13-00000, Lo ; to. AAH134 - LI July 1902 rai FLOM € SUBJECT: Interview of Juan FALCON Tamar, under arrest in Cuba, alleged National Coordinator of the "Movimiento de Recuperacion Revolucionaria™ (Me. Be) | in Cuba. ‘SOURCE: Cuban "RADIO REBELDE" station, 17 July 1962, 8:00 PM. ' The prisoner is introduced by Luis GOMZa Wanguenert, and the panel of PE AA Opa LL nowspapermen is composed by: Carlos FQANQUI, Director of "REVOLUCION" newsvapcr, and aul VALDES Vivo, Gub-Director of "HOY" newspaper. GOMEZ : You are here before newspapermen to answer qucstions out of your own free / . will, or have been coerced in any way to come tonight? | FALCON: Completely voluntarily. GOMEZ: - Then would you like to make us a narration of your activities in the Meee FALCON: The MeRele was founded in late 1959 by Manuel ARTINE and a series of other elements. In those days I began as a rank member, working in the propaganda field. I used to write a bit in the newspaper of the Movement, and also - distributed the newspaper and other things, and more or less in that way. Of thet period I have little to say because I was a rank member and had no access to the plans of the Movement. After Giron, after the 17th of April Playa Giron Invasion, most of the members of the exccutive of the Movement went into asylum or left Cuba. Then those of us who were rank members passed to occupy the positions of the directive to try to reorganize “ite In this case I entered ‘the directive of the Movement. It is then that I can talk with more details about the directive of the Movement. I think that you should ask me about something specifically. FRANQUI: After Playa Giron you entered the direction of the M..Re, and what position . did you first occupy in that direction? PALCON: First I was Organization Secretary and latcr I became the National Director | of the Movement. FRANQUI: What main counterrevolutionary activitics did you fplural/ accomplish after Playa Giron? FALCON We engaged in performing a series of sabotages, such as burning the “Potro- quimica®™ of Cotorro. <A plan to destroy national transport in general. We destroyed 3 buses of Route 33. We also had a plan for the systematic destruction of the economy which included, among other things, th: poisoning of cattle.
13-00000 “AA-134, GOREZ : FALCON: VALDES: FALCON 3 GOMEZ: PALCON: 18 Jul 62, Carlos BLANCO (cont.) What can you tell .us about the assassination attumpt against Carlos iiafael - RODRIGUEZ? We learned through the newspapers that Carlos kafacl was going to give a lecture in the "Fausto" theater of Matanzas. We surmised that he was going te go by the Via Blanca highway and we set up a surveillance. when Carlos Rafael left an automobile of ours was traveling ahead of him and made a sign to an individual whom we had posted on the highway, indicating that Carlos | Rafacl's automobile was coming behind. hen the individual tri<cd to intercept the automobile and he was shot.at, with the known results that the individual whom we had posted there was killed. . You. have said something in relation to countcrrevolutionary activities. \iho organized these activitics? Was there some conncetion between the l.ReN. and the Central Intclligenec Agency? At first during a stage we thought... Let me explain a bit in detail. Ve thought that ve. could carry out this fight alone, but little by little we became aware that we were falling into the hands of the North American Government and that they helped us, not with disinterest but with the interest of again controlling the Republic as they had controlled it until 1 January 1959. And how far did the intervention of the Central Intclligcenee Agency reach in the Movement which you directed? ‘Well, it reached quite a high degrees For cxample, to appoint a directive in recent days, or the chief of a national secretariat of the Movement, we had to make a consultation over there to sec if they approved or disapproved the individual. Another cxample waich I could give you so that you might realize the degree of subjection which we have reached with regard to them, _ is that in the problem of communications we had always bccn concerned with being able to communicate with the Movement abroad, that is, with the Motes. in exile. For this objective once we thought of buying radio and radio telegraphy equipment to communicate dircctly with them over there. However, we could not do it because the pcople from over there told us that if the Americans would learn that we were communicating with them directly without counting on tanec C.Jefe that wo were going to have a big problum and that they would cut off all asSistancc. To communicate over there we had a telegraphy plant, radio-telegraphy, which communicated dircetly with a C.I.A. a S&C th ?P
13-00000 a . ~ Coo ve SECAn AA-134, LU Jul o2, Carlos BLANCO (cont.) . FRANQUI: FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: GOMEZ: FALCON: VALDES: FALCON: GOMIBZ: FALCON: GOMEZ 3 FALCON: GOSLEZ ¢ FALCON: GOMEZ: base. ‘Then through this base we would pass the messages which we wanted ‘to send to the Movement. Out of that message the Americans would tell what they wanted to the members of the Movement, and keep to themselves what they did not want to say. And if they wanted our people could not send a message to us from over there. In view of this we tried to establish direct communications without CaleAs intermcdiation. However, it was not possible for us to do this. Apparently they did not permit it. You said that: you had become organized because you were going to fight against the revolution of the people. Yes. a And then you refcrred to the intervention of impcrialisn's CeleAe When did that happen? Before Playa Giron or after? Well, an exact date cannot be determined. It was rather a gradual process which grew more and more.. And lately we were practically... Well, later ‘they convinced us that the Revolution was practically invincible. ' And to what do you attribute the invincibility of the Revolution? To a very large popular support. You speak of the connection with the Central Intelligence Agency. ‘What resources was the C.I.A. facilitating to you? — Well, in the first place it gave us moncy. Part of the money with which we functioned we raised here, and part camc from over thcre at first. By this. ' time practically everything was coming from over there. Did the collections which you have over here decrease? Yes. For example, another connection is a tclegraphy plant, the one which — I mentioned previously and which we used to communicate with them over there. Facilities to exfiltratc persons from Cuba, that is, clandestine elenents, individuals who were "burned". ‘This was on the basis of ships which cane to pick them up and many promises of arms, sabotage matcrials, and another scries of things. You mentioned ships. Vhat kind of ships? Well, some boats which cone here. Did they come here to the coasts of Cuba? Yese : Where did they come from? ' From Miami. — Manned by whom?
; | —- SECRET € 'AAW13", 13 Jul 62, Carlos BLANCO (cont.) : ‘ALCON: Well, in some cases by menbers of the Hovement, and in other cases by - North Ancricans. FRANQUI: You mentioned communications. What type of cquipment did the C.I.A. give you? FALCON: A telegraphy: equipment of the ones which they use for their cspionage . ‘aetivities in other countries. It is a non commercial tclegraphy cquipment. A small equipment which can operate practically anywhere. We used this to communicate with over there on the basis of a telegraphy system in code directly to a CeI.A.. base. — ' “VALDES: | And what about the assassination plot against Major Raul CASTRO with the . participation of Guantanamo Naval Base? | } FALCON: Well, that was the 26th of July of last year. That wasn't specifically a plan of ours. It. was a plan invented by the C.I.A. with the participation of somo organizations, ours wasn't the only onc. The plan contemplated various parts. That is, 1t contemplated an assassination attempt against Fidel and the ‘Cabinet which was going to gather in the Civic Plaza on the 26th of July of . last year.s. On the other part it included an assassination attempt against Raul CASTRO in Santiago de Cuba and nother series of sabotages correlated to this, such as paralyzing the “lectric Company, a self-aggression in Guantanamo Naval Base, and a few other smaller scale things. FRANQUI: And there was no participation in the plans to burn the "Petroquimico" of | Cotorro? . FALCON: Yes, that was done by our organization. GOMEZ: Could you give me an explanation about the sabotage of the "Petroquimica" of Cotorro? FALCON: ‘Well, thore we used materials manufactured by us. Practically no materials received from abroad, that is from the U.S., were used there. A chemical preparation of some capsules which burned immediately was made. GOLIES : What other sabotage plans did you have? PALCON: That of destroying some "Comp n G mibug os" bus company plants. We have the plan for the systomatiec destruction of the cconomy, which contemplated, anong other things as I already told you, poisoning eattle with potassium cyanide. VIVO: And how did you burn buses? - FALCON: With incendiary cigarette cases. VIVO: Simulating cigarette packs? FALCON: Yes, more or lesse
- AAW134, PAANQUI: FALCON: _ FRANQUI: FALCON: FRANQUI: FAANQUI: FALCON: FAANQUI: FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: G Jul G2, Carlos BLAICO (cont.) You have mentioned a series of counterrevolutionary actions performed by youe You have montioned that you had a certain succcss in that of Cotorro. You failed in the assassination attempt of Crrlos Rafacl and could not — acconplish the assassination attempts of the leading figures of the Revolution . Which causes prevented you from accomplishing them? We didn't have time. The Vepartment of Security of the State arrested practically all of us. | But those assassination plots happened in different tines. No, we were planning that now. But, for example, that assassination attennt with the participation of organization by the C.f.A-, and in which various counterrevolutionary organ~ izations participated, such as the one of the 26th of July. What prevented. its acconplisient? | _Tne same reason. ‘The Department of Security of the State arrested all key indivicuals a few days carlicr. That is, in various cases and in various sabotage plans vhich you had, the Department of security of the State anticipated you and arrested those who were in conplicity to accomplish them? In many of them. You uscd to facc many difficultics. regarding the accomplishment of these ‘plans. | How did you feel? Wasn't it ditficult for you to accomplish these actions? | Well, a plan must be studicd and an attempt must ve made to carry it out. That is, a surveillance of the individual must be set up and see what is the most appropriate place to carry it out, and sce whether it is possible or not. Yes, that is natural in any type of action of that nature. But I was referrin: - to the fact that the percentage of actions which you have accomplished is very small, and het you attenptcd many, and you say that onc of the causcs is that the Department of Security of the State intervened in time. Sut is there any other cause which preventcd you from accomplishing counterrcevolutionary activitics? “Well, in general a scries of difficultics, such as the discouragement among the ranks of the movement. Caused by what? Caused by the subjection to the North Anerican Central Intelligence Agency. Undoubtedly, we were. fighting not with the idea of being subjected to a 4 -5- a + - Bae Ck awk
7y at - AlW134, 13 Jul -o2, cart. BLAECO (cont.) ; forcign power to whom in the future we would again have to surrender the nation to thom. ‘This: help which they would promise to give us and which they gave us gradually, was being conditioned. That is, it may be said .that we naively thought they would give it to us with disinterest, that is, . without asiting anything in return. But later we rcalized that it wasn't so, ' that they were giving us this help in exchange for something, in exchange " FRANQUI: -, FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: | GOMEZ: _ FALCON: that in the future we would surrender our sovercignty and our nation to them. For this reason arose a sort of discouragement among the ranks of the Hovenment until about the end of last year we even thought of dissolving the HNovement completely. | But the Playa Giron failure wasn't also a determining factor? Yes, Playa Giron was one of the determining causes. ‘That is, the destiny of North American Imperialism was also seen in ?laya Giron. Although it was also scen how popular it is to fight against the .ievolution. Yes, exacdt ye oat was an Invasion which was crushod in less than 12 hours... uUoarrive And when/geuxerrived at the conclusion that you were serving as instrument | of the United States and of North American Imperialisn? Well, already quitc some time ago. The problem is that one becomes avare of it but it seoms that it is too late to turn back. I would like to stress this. Basically that is one of the reasons why I asked to come heree The Majority of the conspirators. who arc now on the streets, the rank members of our Movenent who are still on the strects, have a diffcrent idea about the ‘fight. That is, they think that we are not rcally what we are, a branch of the North American Central Intelligences Agency. Then they think that and. continue in the fight. However, those of us who are in the dircction, and I say tnat for my case specifically, whon I was a rank member of the Hovenent and cngagced in distributing propaganda, when I would spend the entire day distributing propaganda from morning till night, and when I finished I belicved that I had done a great decal for Cuba, I believed that I had worked terribly lard for Cuba and that I had done the best which I could and had been working for a just cause. ‘“hien I became a directive of the Movement I realized that it vasn*t so, and now I realizc that we were completely subjected to North American Imperialism and that.wo were not going to attain any of the ideas, any of the objectives for which we wore fighting.
13-00000 ef Cc" 3 iu C « gv Cc ‘AAW134, 15 Jul 62, Carlos BLANCO (cont.) VIVO: _ FALCON: FRANQUI: Of course, it isn't necessary to say that us comradcs here believe in ‘the candor of themmbers of that counterrevolutionary organization as much as we believe in the disinterest of the Central Intclligence Agency. In order to avoid entering into an unnecessary debate we want to specify that you have spoken of assassinations, of sabotages against popular cconony « ‘What participation havc you had in the assistance of bands of insurgents who made the Escambray a knife....of the country? Well, practically the same participation as the other organizations. That is, if we could give a basically financial assistancc, because we had nothing else, we would give it to them, if we were able. But you mentioned here that the collections which you obtained from internal counterrevolutionary groups had greatly decreascé, because you had to resort more cach time to the help which you received fron the United States. In what form did you reccive that assistance? FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: vIVvo: FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: “UANQUI: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: The assistance was received on the basis of changes, that is, change operations. ' They would place "x" dollars over there to a private individual over there and we received the equivalcnt here from anothcr individual. They! Whom? - . The Americans. How did the change of currency affect these operations? . Well, at that time it didn't affect us very much. We changed practically all the money which the Movement had. We put all the militants of the Movemen ' te change money. In llavana, did Lbhe deercase of/ your collections have anything to do with the fact that the elements of the rich and bourgeois class left for the U.S? I think that in a large part. That is, you reecived money from rich peopls? TES» & And when those people left you had less collections? Practically, ycese Do you want to say something about psychological warfare, about the problcn of the rumors? Yes. I am going to say something about tho propaganda of that affair of ‘parental authority over children. In gencral we had a big participation in that affair because ve sincerely Launched a vropaganda campaign tryina to male: them desperate with that rumor which had been started regarding \ \=7= | Sacha T parental authority.
5 “AA@-134, 19 Jul 02, Carlos BLANCO (cont.) BaAGLONS - FALCOW: GOs: PALCOW: ‘FRANQUI FALCON: FALCON: FALCON: GQIEZ: FALCON: FRANQUI? Do you now this instran nt? Yes, it is a stano for false driver's licens.s. That is, for the forgery of this type of driver's license. And this type of drivir's licenses which you used, where was it made, here or in the U.S? In the U.d. “It vas scnt to you by the Sentral Intelligenee Agency? YcSe . You’ have mentioned a secrics of activitics regarding cxplosives, assistanec, conmunications, you also said that the plans had to oe discussed by the C.I.A... training of directives, and you also mentioned the poisoning of livestock. Could you give us an cxplanation? You know that there is a meat shortage and that this is a yroblem now Laceci by the tevolution. ‘nen we tried te cooperate to that. ‘That is, it is a sort of a plan to systematically destroy the econony. That Ls preciscly what I wanted te come to, because no one paid any attention to Reinold. Then everyone thought that up to a certain point kecinold had not been sincere. ‘hat is, that he had cone here cocrecd by the Department of security of the State to make that apnearanc:. Do you allow me a question? Do you have a different opinion now? Completely different? Why? | In view of the treatment which I have reccived in the Department of security of the State and in view of the methods which I have scen them use. .ieinold said that he nad been under surveillance for six months, and no one believed it. Neo one believed tiat a national coordinator of the movement would be kept six months on the streets undcr surveillance. I can affirm that I nave been under surveillance for nine months. In the Department of Cecurity of the State they proved my life since ninc months ago. They have told me things, such as the brand of cigarettes which I smotted up to the movic theater which I usually visited. I want to say something to you, because maybe now another counterrcvolutionary deceived as you say or believe, is going to think about you the same which you thought about 2cinold. Then we are going to leave the evidence for the next time when you come here, because little by little everyone has scen how all counterrevolutionary organizations are being liquidated by the revolution. That is, in the end what matters is not the appreciation of what you said or did not say, wnat matters are the presentations. ra Ok tu ei mo wd be
13-00000; FALCOH: FRANQUI: FALCON: GOMES: FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: “VIVO: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: GOMEZ 2 FALCON: — - FRANQUI: FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: C- “Su ei u r € © Aie134, 14 Jul 62, Carlos BLANCO (cont.) I belicve, Hr. Fx ANQUI, Guat when they sec these two cases peopls will pay morc attention to us. But it isn't two cases. There are many more. They tricd to rise in ths kseaabray and they were cruShcd. They cam: to Playa Giron and they were crushed. They attempted sabotages in "21 Incanto" store, ctc. and they were liquidated. _feinold’ cane and he was liquidated. They have attempted to infiltrate through different parts of the country and have been liquidated. So it isn't two cases, but many morc. But look, the problem of the individual who is now conspiring in the streets is that he cannot turn back. That is, nc has only two ways out: leave the country or try to continuc fighting to sec if he wins. You believe that they nave another way out in addition to those two? Ian-sure they do. ‘The Departucnt of Gseurity of the State is not interestcd in conducting a massive repression or nothing like that. What thoy want is that the individual stop conspiring, and if they don't bother them, they won't bother the individuals. , In addition to that I believe that there is another vay out for then, that of being cantured by the Department of Security of the State. . Well, if they continuc conspiring. You witnessed the TV appearance of Reinold GONZALES. ile mentioned the effectiveness of the Defense Committees. Can you also say this? Absolutely. They proved my activities 9 months back. You saw Reinold GONZALEZ on television. After that appcarance have you seen -Reinold Since you have been under arrest? Yos, I have had opportunities to talk to him. You have become convinced that he came here spontancously and that he really declared what ne wished to declare? . Well, it isn't that I am convinecd, I have also come here spontancously to declare. . . Well, you also say that a great part of that difficulty has becn created by the Defense Committees? Yes. Would you like to give me a practical example? Well, I can't really give you a practical cxa@aple. What I can say is that ‘they proved activities of mine nine months ago. They have told me when I arrived there from the brand of cigarettcs which I smoked up to the novic theater where Iwually wente That is, not only about me, but about all the oe =9- wo RT
. an ce SEGQRET € ~ * AA«134, 18 Jul 62, Carlos BLANCO (cont.) , ; menbers of the dircetion of the movement. FLaNQUI: You Spoke of the direction and you spoke of nonbers « What is the situation of your organization after this last round up? - FALCON: .Completcly destroycd. GOMEZ: You told us before that there was a certain distrust between the Central -. Intelligence Agency and the members of the group which you dirccted in CUba. What can you tell us about this? FALCON: “Practically alnost all the direction, and we received instructions to leave Cuba in order to conduct an-investigation. ' GOLEZ s And you did not reecive instructions to use coercive methods to take to the ~ U.S. some which might not want to go? FALCON: Yes. | GOMEZ : Who, for oxamplo? FALCON: © The Finance Coordinator. If he did not wish to go of his own frec will, that 4 | — he was not told why he was going. He was told that he was going to take . . training, but if he did not wish to go of his own free will he had to be kidnapped and taken out. VIVO: And if he refused to go? eset FALCON: The instructions which they had was to kill him. VIVO: To kill hin although he was a colleague? FALCON: Yes. . VIVO: © You have mentioned the denoralization existing in your organization and in the countcrrevolution in general. Vhat opinion do you have regarding tho possibilities of the counterrevolution in the fight against the Cuban neople? FALCON: I believe that they are practically null at this moment. I believe that no enc can do anything to overthrow the evolutionary Government of Cuba at this tinc. hereforc, our struggle has practically no reason of being and “ina certain aspect it is coven inmoral bceeause what wo are causing is a serlc: of matcrial losses and loss of lives which we have no right to cause. “PuANQUI: It's a pity that you con't gecone convinecd of that until you are in prison. BALCOH: Vell, I hadn't become convinece before. Litie I said, the prodlen is that I thought there was no other vay out, and this is the case of many of those who are now conspiring. GOES 3 You Were personally in contact with C.I.A. agents, weren't you’? #BALCCH: Yese ~1Cc-
13-000 a rey te Thee esa 8 #WALCON: oN aAsloe, Le Jul v2, Carlos SLANGO (cont.) that is, you had the opnortunity to tall: to them and study their viewpoints. Vinat do you think vere tuciy obj uctives in Guba? For what objectives were you used? (The basic objective of the North Aucricans at. this tine is not to solve the Cuban problem but to produce a state of agitation and alarm heree That is, .to use us for. those objectives so that they can accomplish a propaganda GOMEZ: ' FRANQUI: FALCON: FuANQUI: FALCON: GOLLEZ 3 FALCON: GOLGEZ 8 FALCON: - GOLIES : FALCON: campaign throughout Latin America and Spcak of the horros of the Communist Government of Cuba. ‘Tuat is the objective which they pursucs You were. all used as cannon fodder. Why is the .counterrevolutionary movement to which you belong named of Necuperation? Well, the word indicates to recover or recuperat. the revolution. ell, but we recovered fron impecrialisn cverytning that it used to take avay from our country. Then you wore going to recover from the revolution what w. took away from imperialisn? | . No, that is an entirely different idea. Well, it is a different concept. Do you think that the word "recuperation" was not well chosen? Well, that depends from the viewpoint. Gradually we became convinced that we were not recovering, that we were recovering for the Americans. Can you tell us about the treatment which you have received whils you have been under arrest in the Department of Gecurity of the Statc? Execllont. I can practically say that I have never felt like a prisoncr. Do you think that this is a personal or special treatment for you? No, it has been for all the members of our movement, that is, a general treatment. I believe that it is a metter of principles of the Department _ of Security of the State. VIVO: “PALCON: FRANGUI: FALCON: GOR 3 FALCON: As you cxplained, you arrived at the direction of that organization which pretended to recover the impossible past for our country, after Playa Giron. And how did. you think that you were going to win, repeating vlaya Giron or through the dircet intervention of North American Liarines? We thought that we could do it internally without their help. That was practically an absurd thing. low are you going to think that if you couldn't do it with their help and your participation? . Taney didn't det us know. - Wore you an isolated movement or did you have contact wita other counter- revolutionary groups in Cuba or outside Cuba? It was practically an isolated movement. \ail- nm Hn . we BEG so T
ee, "GOLLY : BALCOMM: “PuaNQUI: FALCONS - PuANQUI: - FALCON: _ VIVO: “FALCON: - VIVO: - PALCON: VIVO: — FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON:” ‘RANQUI: PALCON: VIVO: PALCON: Who dircets th: civilian part over there? > € “guru wr ¢ AdW13%, 15 Jul o2, Carlos SLANCO (cont.) Gut did you get together with other groups to purform specific actions with other groups? Well, I already said ‘that tae action of the 26th was done together with ‘other organizations. One of your main leaders camc to Playa Giron. v Yes, the Jocretary. General of the llovement, iy. lianusl ATUL. Ang tis. Hanuel ALIN didn't let you know cither? No; ‘because communications were in the hands of th.. Aacricans. Yes, it's clear, they weren't advised. Do you have in this organization the same position of ARTIME? No. ARNTRIE was the Secretary General. Our delegate abroad is Hr. Jose Ignacio LAUAGA. As you have c:mlained herc, the Central Intelligence Agency is the organizer, the financial sponsor, the one who gives dircct and specific orders, and who gives pistols, Silencers, radios, dollars, cte. to the organizations. Do you know that the Central Intelligence Ageney was the organizer of the Playa Giron Invasion? YoOSe And did you know that a new invasion of Cuba was again being organized from more than 20 camps established in the United States, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Venezuela, and other countries. We didn't know that. You didn't know about any other invasion? You did not cxpect a ncw invasion of Cuba? | No. Not in specific terms, but in general lines yes. We were convinced that internally we could net overthrow the Government, and that it has to -be externally on the basis of an invasion. Do you think that the C.I.A. was going to be satisficd with sending two or three agents to you to organize those radio conversations? For their objectives of creating a state of agitation here, yes. You already described that the C.I.A. was proposing to invade Cuba again. What do you think would happen in casc of an invasion? Well, if tho othor one was crushed in 72 hours, I think that this one will have the same fate.
aN oa, . 12 dul 2, Carlé. PLAICO (cont: ) Do you, Juan FALCON fomas, have anything to adu to the replics which you have given to the newspapermen members of this pancl? Do you have any other declaration to make? Yes. wanted to stress and make an exhortation to the militants of the movement who are now on the streets to desist from the idea of continue /conspiring. JI say this for two reasons: one, that on the long or short run they are going to end in the same situation as ourselves, and the other that our, fight no lenger has reason of being because basically what we are doing is playing the fame of the North American Government and serving the objective: for which they use use In general this is the only thing I wished to say.
0009 | ( SER E-T O ; € 1& Julio 1962 ‘MEMORANDUM DE REF.: Entrevista a duan FALCON Tamar, detenido en Cuba, su- puesto Coordinador Nanional del"MNovimie nto de Recupe- racior Revolucionaria"™ en Cuba.- me a . . INFORMANTS: Tomado de "RADIO REBELIZG DE CURA" 17 Julio 62 - 8:00 F.M. Hace la presentacion del detenido, Luis GOFMEZ Wanguemert y dal panel de periodista oie esta integradco vor: Carlos FRAN- QUI, director. del periodico REVOLUCION v Raul VAIDES. Vivo, sub-director. dal, neriodico Hcy. GOMEZ: Esta Md. aqui ante los periodistas para contestar a sus préguntess por su propis voluntad, o ha sido Ud. de alguna manera coartado pare venir esta noche? FALCON: Compile tamente voluntario. GOMEZ $ Quisiera entences hacernos un rel.ato de sus activi- dades en 6l M.RR. FALCON: . EL M.ReR. fue fundado a fines de 1959 por Manuel ARTIME y una serie de elementos mes, yo en aquelle epoca empece como miembro de fila, trabajando en la parte de propaganda, escribia un pow en el perio- i Gico del Movimiento, tambien repartia e1 periodico y demas, ¥ asi poco mas o menos, de aquella etapa yo tengo poco que contar, porque yo 6ra miembro de - fila y no tenia acceso a los planes del Movimiento, despues de Giron, despues de la Invasion del 17 de Abril de Playa Giron, la mayor parte de la dirigen- cia del Movimiento se asilaron o se fueron de Cuba, entonces los que eramos miembros de filles y pasanos a ocupear los cargos de le directive para trater de re-~organizarlo. Y entonces en ese caso fue que yo entre en la dirigencia del ilovimiento. “ntonces de la dirigencia dd Moviniento es oue yo puedo hablar con mas detalles, yo creo qe “ds. deben ya pregun- terme concretamente sobre alcuns cosa. FRANQUI: Deéespues de Flaya Giron Ud. entro a formar parte de i" la direccion del M.R.R. vy que cargo ocupo en ¢Ssa direccion primero. FALCON: Primero fui Secretario de Crganizacion y despues pase posteriormente s ocupar la direcion nacional del Movimiento. A -~ 1 - a ee Se
13-00000 16 Julio 1962. REF.: Entrevista a Juan FALCON Tamar, detenido 2f en Cubagessep, (Gon te) wo.na /3 -FRANQUI: Que actividades principales contra-revolucionarias ae _ redizaron Uds. despues de Playa Giron? FALGON: Nos Gedicamos a hacer una serie de actos de sabota~= , "je, como fueron la quema de la Petroouimica del Co- torro, un plan para destruir el transporte nacional en general, lleganos e destruir 3 guaguas de-la Rue» ta 33, tambien tenlamos un vlan para la destruccion sistematica de la economia el cual incluia momtre otras cosas el envenenamiento del ganado. GOMEZ: Sue puede decirnos del atentado a.Carlos Rafael RO- i . DEIGUEZ? FALCON: Nosotros nos @¢nteramos por los periodicos qe Car- ' los Rafael ibaa dar una conferencia en 61 Teatro "Fausto" de Matenzas, pues supusimos que iba a sa- lir por lavYia Blanca y-le montamos un chequeo y a la salida de Garlos Rafael iba una maquina de no- sotros delante de el wv le hizo sefia aun individuo que teniamos sapostado en la carretera de que venia atras la maquina de Carlos Rafael v entmces el in- dividuo trato de interceptar el carro y le tiraron con el resultado conocido de que murio el indivi- duo de nosotros alli. VALDES: Ud. ha dicho algo en relacion con las actividades contra-revolucionarias. Quien organi zaba esas actividades? Habia alscuna vinculacion del M.R.R. con la Arencia Central de Intelligencia? ‘FALCON: En una etapa en un principio nosotros pensamos, _ dejeme explicar un poco en detalles, nosotros pene sabamos que podiemos llevar solos esta lucha, pero poco a poco nos fuimos dando cuenta que estabamos © cayendo en manos del Gobierno Norteamericano y que nos ayudaban, no desinteresadamante sino con el interes de volver a controlar la republica como es- taban hasta el 1 fnero de 1959. GOMEZ ¥Y hasta donde llegaba la intromision de la A-encia Central. de Inteligencia en el Movimiento que Ud. dirigia? . FALCON: Bueno, ultimamente llegaba eae un grado bastante gran- de, por ejemplo, para nombrar un dirigente en este ultimo tiempo, o a un jefe de wna secretaria nacio- nal del Movimiento, teniamos aque consultarls alla, para ver si ellos aprobaban.o desapvrobaban al indi- viduo. Otro ejemplo me le pudiera dar para aque se ie)
13-00090 Pom  gBarero - Cee 1 nur 62 I. 7 RETR. 6 Entrevista a duan VALCON Tamar, detenido PALGO Ns FRANQUT: FALOONS | FRANQUTI: FALCCN: GOMEZ: PFAIC ON? PS NOAA 13S ‘diera cuenta del. grado de sumision que hemos lle- gado con relacim a ellcs, fue en el problema de las comunicaciones, nosotros siempre hablanos tenido la preocupacion de poder comunicarnoscon el Movimiento alla afuera, es decir con elM.R.R. en el exilio, pa- ra 6€so una vez pensamos 6én comprar una serie de ée- quipos de radio y de radiotelegrafia nara comunicer= nos directamente con ellos alla, sin embargo no pu- ‘dimos hacerlo porque la gente de alla nos dijo gue si los Americanos llcgaban a enterarse aque nosotros nos estabamos comunicando con ellos directamente sin contar pars ello con ja CTA, nos~itamos a buscar un problema muy grande y nos iban a retirar toda la ayn- da, nosotros para cormunicamos alla teniamos una planta de telegrafia, de radiotelegrafia, me se comunicaba directamm te a una base de la CIA, enton- ces por ahi nosotros pasabamos los mensajes que que~ riamos mandarle al Movimiento v de ese mensaje los Americanos les decian lo que ellos aquerian a los mienbros del Hovimimto y se callaban lo que no que» rian decirle vy si merian no vodian pasarnos un mem - saje de alla pars aca, es decir si ouerian comunicar- nos algo de alla nara nosotros, entonces en vista de eso fue que nosotros decidims ‘tratar de comunicar- nos directamente cin oue intermediara la CIA por ae 1 medio,sin enbargo no nos. fue posible, ellos no lo dejaron, parece. Ud. dijo que se hablan organizedo porque iban a lue char contra la revolucion del meblo. sf Y entonces se refirio a la intromision de la CIA del imperielismo; en que fecha fue que ocurrio eso, despues de Playa Giron, antes, Bueno de eso no se puede precisar una fecha exacta, mas bien fue un oroceso paulatino que cada vez fue mas y mas y a lo ultimo estabamos practicanente... eoeebeno despues nos convencieron que la N,volu- cion practicarente era invenc ite, Wa que atribuye Ud. le invencibilidad de le R=volm- CION. -A un respalco popular mur grande.
VALDES: WAIC ON: FRANQUI WALSON: GOMEZ. FALCON: GOMEZ: FALCON: - GMEZ: PALCON: GOMEZ: PAIC ON: FRAN I FALCON: VALDES: “4 ey ef Cutis «ve (Conte) ye e e €  SRCRETO A WAT, brevista: a duan SO° Vamar, detenido woenn LOL perenne Arencia Centrel que recursos les facilitaba a Uds. Ud. habla de La vinculacion con la de Inteligencia, Bueno, en primer Inger nos daba dinero, el dinero con el que nosotros funcionabames varte lo recauda- bamos aqui y parte venia de dle en un principio, va practicamente todo nos venia de alle. Ra Jaron las recaudeciones aque tenien aqi? Si, por ejemplo otra vinculscion es une plante de teleprafie, la qe yo mencione anteriormente wv que tenlamos para comuntcarnos con cellos alla, facili- dades para sacar gente del Yais, es decir gente clandestina, gente que se gquemara a base de barcoos que venian a recogerlos.a ellos y muchas proresas de ormass de materiales de sabotajes y otra serie de cosas Ud. hablo de barcos, fue clase ds bar cos? Bueno, unas lanchas que vienen. V nian equi a las Costas de Cube. SI Procedentes de donde? De Miami. Tripuladas bor qui enes? Bueno, en algunos casos nor miembros del “ovimk nto y en otrospor norteamericanos. Ud. hablo de comunicscion es, aue tipo de oparato le suninistro a Ud, la CIA? Un apardo de teleygrafia de los cue usanellos par sus labores de esplonaje en otsos Tsises, es un aparato de telegrafla no comercial, un aparato pe- quefio qre puede funcionar en cualquier lado practi- camente con 61 cual nosotros nos comunicabamnos alla a base de sistema de telegrafie en clave directa- mente a una base dela CIA. ¥ del atentado organizado contre ¢l Cdte. Paul CAS- TRO, con participacion de la Tase Naval de Guantanamo, me My
13-00000 “RET .s  fintre vista a Juan “ALSOM Tamar, detenido 6n Gubae eee (conte. )- FRANQUI: GOMEZ: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: PRANQUIs:- vom af \ “ speneto — " ( . : - | 18 € 62 ro l3S Bueno eso fue el 2 de Julio del ario nasado, ese no fue un-plen especi“icamente nuestro, ese fue un plan inventado por la CTA con la participacion de varias orfanizaciones, no era la nuestra la unies, el plan contemplaba varias partes, es decir contenplaba un atentado a. FIDEL v al Sonsejo de Ministros que se iba a reunir en le Plaze “ivica el din 26 de Tullo del dio vasado, por otra prte tenia un atentad a Reul CASTRO en Santiaso de Guba yy otra serie de ac» tos de sabotaje mes correlat ivos con @€so, com era tratar de inutilizar la Cia. de Elec! tricidad, una au to=agresion a la Rase de Guantanamo v varias CO sas mas de menos émverfadura. ~ Y los‘planes de quemar el petroqimico del Sotorro no participaron. Si, esa fve nuestra organizacion. la aue lo hizo, Podria Yd. explicarme un poco el sabotaje a la Pa- troguimica del Cotorro., Pueno, ahi se utili zaron materiales fabriceios por nosotros, practicarts shi no se usaron materiales que hubileran venido de a fuera, ¢ s decir de S25. '., quimicamente se preparo unas capsulas que aquemeron anseguida. Que otros planes de sabotajes tenien. Hl destruir umas plantas aqui de le COA, tenenos el plan de ladestruccion sistematica de la econo~ mia, que contemplaba entre otras cosas como ya le dije anteriormentée el envenenamiento del sanado ecm ~cienuro de potasb. Y la quema de gpuagzuas como la realizaban? A base de pstecas incendLarias. Simulando cajetillas de cigarros? Si, poco mas o menos. Ud. ha mencionado una serie de actos cmtra-revolu- clonsrios realizados por Ustedes, d. ha rmenciona= do qe tuvieron un cisrto exito en el del Cotorro, Ids. fracasaron en el atentado a “arlos Rafael v no pudieron realizar los atentadgos a les nrincipsles figuras de la Revo Tucton. Cuslcos Tueron les causas que impidi eron: que "lds. lo realizaran? 5 owe oo rd ee cA fh So GR TO
. en Pa RF. e ty en _FALGO FRA NG? Ls "ALCON 3 FRANQUI : FALCON: GOMEZ $ FALCON: PRANQUI: FALCON: FRANQU I: FALCON: FRANQUI FALCOI: Gubas.ee. (Cont. ) 26 de Julio, Qus fue 18 jul 62 trevista a Juan MTALCCN Tamar, detenido won 12 S “No tuvimos tiempo, cl Senartamento de S<guridad del #stado nos prendio a todos practicama te. Pero esos atentados ocurrieron en tiempos dife-_ rentss. No.cso los estabamos vlaneando shora. Pero por ejemplo ess atentado de participacion ore ganizado porla CIA y en aue perticiparon varias or- ganizaciones contra-revolucionarias como fue el del lo que Iimpidio la realizacion? Ie misma razon de ue el “epartamento de S:guridad del Estado varios dias ates me se hiciera prendio a todos los individuos claves en eso. Ss decir, que en varioscasos en varios planes de sabotaje que tlds, tenian el Departamento dé S.guri- dad del Estado se les anticipo v erresto a los auc esteban camplicados para realizarlos. En muchos de ellos. Uds.e. confrontaban muchas dificultades en cuanto a la realizacion de estos planes, como se sentian, no les era dificil realizar estos actos? Bueno, hay que estudiar un plan y tratar de llevar- lo a cabo, 6s decir montar un cheauso al individuo y ver el lugar mas apropiado para llevarlo a cabo y ver si es posible o no. Si eso ¢s natural en cualquier tino de acto de e6sa naturaleza, pero yo me referia en vista Ge aue el porcentaje de actos que han realizado es muy peaue ‘tio sin embargo intentaron hacer muchos +» cuenta Ud. que una de las causas es give el Depertamento de S guri- dad del Estado intervino a tiempo, pero, hay alguna otra causa que le impedia a Uds. las actividades. contra-revolucionarias? Bueno en general unas series de dificult ades como por ejemplo el desaliento entre las filas del mvi- miento. Originado, porque? acn Criginedo por la sumision esa a la Arencia Sentral de +tnteligencia Norteamericana, nosotros indiscubi- blemente ibamos a la lucha no con le idea de estar sumidos a una potencia extranjera en sue el dia de
13-00000° . fe . SECRETO _ € ns in £. 62 REF: Entrevista « duen PALCOY Tamar, datmido en Cubao....e(Cont,. ) NOAA 43Y FALCON s FRANQUI: FALCON: FRANGUI: FALCON: | GOME Zs FALCONs. | manana tuvieramos que de nuevo entregarles la Pa-= tria gq ellos, entonces esa ayuda que ellos nos pro- _metian y nos daban paulatinamente, nos la fueron condi cionando, es decir, nosotros ingenuamente se ‘puede decir pensamos que nos la iban a brindar de- sinteresadamente,es decir, sin pedirnos nada en cam- bio pero despues nos dimos cuentas queno era asi, de que ellos esa ayuda nos la brindahan a cambio de al~ go, a cambio de que nosotros el dia de maiiane las entregaramos la Soberania y la Patria a ellos, en« tonces por ese motivo es que cundio una especie de - desaliento entre las filas delMovimiento, hasta que llego coro a fines del ato pasado.en que pensamros en disolver el Moviniento completamente. Pero el fracaso de Playa Giron, no fue tambien un factor determinante.. Si, -Flaya Giron fue uma de las causas de terminantes, -@s decir, que en Playa “iron se vio tamblen ¢1 -desti- no del Imertalismo Norteamericano. Aunque tambien s¢ vio la popular que es lnchar con- tra la Revolucion. Si, exactamen te, fue uma Invasion que fue destruida en menos de 12 horas, Y cuando llegaron Uds. a la ecmclusion de que le es- taban sirviendo de instrumento a los ®stados tM nidos y al Imperialismo Norteamericano ? Bueno, hace bastante tiempo ya, el problema da esto es que uno se da cuenta de eso pero ya le parece que es tande para vinar para atras, yo quisiera he- cer un poco de hincapie en eso, basicarente e6sa és una de las razones por las oue yo he nedido venir aqui, la mayor parte de los conspiradores que hay hoy en dia en la calle, los miembros de fila de nues- tro Moviniento, gue aun cuedan en la cal le tienan una idea distinta de la lucha, es decir, que piansan que no somos como en realidad somos, una Sucur sal de la Agencia Central de +nteligencia “ortesamericana, entonces ellos piensaneé so v continuan ¢n la lucha, sin embargo nosotros los qe estanos en la dirigen- cia, yo lo digo por el caso mio concreto, cuando yo era miembro de fila del Movimiento, que re dedicaba a@repartir voropaganda, que me nasabatodo el dia re- partiendo propaganda desde por 12 mariene hasta vor le noche y cuando terminaba me creia ous habia hecho por Cuba un horror, crein aque habia trabajado enore mementa por Cuba-y quehabisa hecho lo mejtoy aue nodia hacer v-que estaba trahajendo. rer tne seinen tisha,
13-00000 wat Ros.3 untrevista a Jusn FALCON Tymaur, delenido en Guba, «..e(Tont.) FALCON: ' VIVO: . FALCON: nel wa Is 4 FALG pay “4 » PRANGQII: FALCON: ‘YIVO: El FALCONS: PRAVQUL ( . SEO RE 4 O , 18 Jul 62 non L3BY cuando lie gue a cirim@te del Movimiento me di cugsnta de queso no era asi y ahora lo cormprendo de gue estabanos entregados completamm te al Im-. perialismo Norteamericano + que no ibaros a poder lograr ningina de lasideas, ninguno de los fines para los cuales luchabamos. Cr Ee eT AEDT SPEER ET ~ EPPA Rae Desde luego, de ms esta decir que los comnaferos que estanps aqui, creemos tmto en la ingenuidad de los miembros de esa Organizacion cm tra-revolu~ clonarie, como en el desinteres de la Agencia Cen~ tral de Intecligencia, nosotros queremos puntuali- Zsr. para no entrar en una volemi@a innecesaria, Wd. ha hablado de asesinatos, de los sabotajes contra ‘la economia novular, Que participacion han tenido Uds. en la avuds a las bandas de alzados gue hicie- ron del #scambray un cucnillo....del pais? Fueno, la misma participacion practicmente qe han tenido las demas organizaciones, es decir, si ge podia brindar una ayuda basicamente dae tivo moneta- rio porme de otra cosa no teniamos, pues se la brindabanos, si tcniamos la nosibilidad. Pero 3d. menclono shi me les recaudaciones cue _Uds. tonian pravenlente de los grupos contra=revo- lucionarics internes disminuie mucho, porque tuvie-~ ron que recurrir cada vez mas a le avuda cue (ds, reciblan de les Estados Unidos, En que forma reci- bien Uds. ese avuda? La ayuda se recibia a hase de cambios, es decir ope- raciones de cambic, ellos situsban "X" dolsres ella, aun individuo alle particular vy nosotros aqui 2 otro individuo le recogianos el eanival@mte. JELlos! Qiienes? Los nor teanericanos. cambio de le moneda, como afecto esas operaciones? Bueno, en aquel momento a nosotros no nos afecto en gran cosa, nosotros camblarios practicamente todo el dinero que tenia cl Movirniento, pusimos a todos los militantes dal Movivdento a cambiar dinero. Iin la Vabana, la recaudacion de ‘ds. tuvo que ver algo con el hecho de que los elementos ce la clese burguess y rice, tomaron el cavino de los BE.'.? g im @ F, : mo YT A
13-00000 1& Tul 62 REY.:. Entrevists a Juan TALGOM Tamar, detenido 7Y : no.AA_/ en Cuba. «s(Cont.) WALCON: - PAT.CON: VIVO: “ALCON 8 - GOMEZ: FALCON: GOMEZ: FAL CON: GOMEZ: FALCON: FRANQUI: Yo creo que en gran parte. as decir, 4s, reciblan dinero de gente rica. SI. Val irse esa sente, pues tenian menos recaudacio~ —N@Ser--"* Practicamente, Si. No guiere decir algo sobre La guerra psicologica, sobre el problema de las bola ss Si, yo voy a decir algo sobre le propaganda del. asinto aquel de le Patria Potestad, en general ese 6s un asmto en el cual nosotros. tonabamos gran paer- te, porque sinseramente aquella vez de la Patria Potestad, tiramos unavropsganda tratando de deses- perarlos, con esa bola que se hatia tirado. ™d, conoce este instrume to? Si, este es un cuno para las carteras dactilares falsas. Es decir, para la falsificacion Ge este tipo de cartera dactiler, y este PAPO de carteras dactila- res que ‘lds, usaban donde se hizo aqui o en los EE. "U.? . En los EEUU, Se lo mandaba a Uds. la Agencia Central de Inteligen- cla. , Si. Ud. ha referido una serie de actividades que tiene que ver con explosivos, eyuda, comunicaciores, hae blo tambien de los planes que tenia aque ser discu- tidos por la CIA, entrenamiento de oor Gentes / ten- bien Hd. hablo de envenenamiento de animales lds. pocdixn explicarnos? send
13-00000 SECRETO - 18 Jul 62 REF.: Entrevista a Juan FALOON Tamar, detenido . af . en Cubaieces Cont. NO.AA / FALCON: Ud. sabe que hay escacez de carne que ese es un problema que confronta la revolucion hoy en dia entonces trataba- mos de cooperar a eso; es decir como les decia anterior—~ mente es una especie de plan de destruir sistematicamente Ja economLae ENE A ee me ie hizo caso entonces todo el mindo penso que Reinold hasta clerto punto no habia sido sincero es decir que habia venido ‘ aqui, coaccionade por el Departamento de Seguridad del. Estado a tener aquella comparecencia. | —-  BALCON: Yo queria venir aqui precisanente porque a Reinold nadie GOMEZ 3 , Me permite una pregunta Ude tiene una opinion distinta ahora? _ FALCON: Completamente distinta. GOMEZ: Por que? FALCON: Por el trato que he recibido en el Departamento de Seguridad ; del Estado y por los metodos que he visto que emplean.— -Reinold hablo de que a él hacia 6 meses que lo estaban che- queando, eso nadie lo creyo y nadie le creyo que un coordi+- nador nacional del movimiento lo tuvieran 6 meses en la calle chequeandolo, yo puedo afirmar que a mi. me han tenido 9 meses, a mi me han probado en el Departamento de Seguridad del Estado ia vida mia 9 meses atras me han dicho casas como por ejemplo ja marca de cigarros que yo fumaba hasta al cine que habituaba ire FRANQUI : Yo quiero decirle una cosa porque a lo mejor ahora algun otro contra-revolucionario que como Ud. dice o supone engafiado vaya a@ estar pensarido de Ud. lo mismo que Ud. penso de Reinold, en- tonces la prueba vamos a dejarla para la proxima ocasion cuando venga aqui. tambien porque poco a poco todo el mundo ha visto como todas las organizaciones contra-revolucionarias van siendo liquidados por la revolucion, es decir que en definitiva lo que importa no es la apreciacion si Ud. dice o no dijo, lo que ine , porta son las presentaciones. FALCON: - Es decir yo estimo Sr. Franqui..que al ver estos dos casos la gente nos haga mas caso. FRANQUI No pero no son dos casos, son muchos casos, trataron de levan= tarse en el Escambray y fueron liquidados, vinieron a Playa Gi- ron y fueron liquidados, intentaron hacer sabotajes en el FEncan- to etc. y fueron liquidados, vino Reinold y fue liquidado, han intentado infiltrarse por diferentes lugares del pais y han si-~ su tropa
13-00000 REF.: Entrevista a Juan FALCON Tamar, detenido en Cubase see (Cont. __. FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: FALCON: FRANQUI : FALCON: _ -FRANQUI: SECRETO € 18 Jul 62 no.aa / BY do liquidados, asi es que no son dos casos, son muchos CASOS Pero mire el. problema que tiene hoy en dia el individuo que esta en la calle conspirando es que cree que ya no ‘puede volver para atras es decir que no le queda mas que dos salidas abandonar el pais o tratar de seguir duchando hasta ver si triunfa. _ Ud. cree que tienen otra salida ademas de esas dos. Yo estoy seguro que si, el Departamento de Seguridad del Estado no esta interesado en hacer una represion en masa mi micho mmenos, lo que le interesa es que el individuo deje de conspirar, si no se meten con ellos, ellos no se meten con el. tampoco. A parte de ego yo creo que tambien tienen una entrada que es en el Departamento de Seguridad del Estado. Bueno, si siguen conspirando Ud. presencio la comparecencia de Reinold Gonzalez » @l hablo de la eficacia de los Comites de Defensa, Ud. tambien puede decirlo? Completamente, ellos me probaron las actividades mias de ha- ce 9 meses. Vio Ud. a Reinold Gonzalez por television, despues de esa com parecencia ha visto Ud a Reinold, ahora que esta detenido. Si, he tenido oportunidades de hablar con el. Se ha convencido Ud. de que el vino aqui expontaneamente y que declaro verdaderamente lo que el quite declarar. Bueno no es que yo este convencido es que yo tambien he venido expontaneamente a declarar. Bien, Ud. habla tambien de que gran parte de esa dificultad ha sido creada por los Comites de Defensa. Si Ud. quisiera ponerme algun ejemplo practico we] Lee SECRETO { i i
Cc SECRETO fo 18 Jul62 ; REF, 3 Entrevista a Juan FALCON Pama detenido BY FAICON: Bueno ejemplo practico realmente no se yo lo que puedo a decirle es que a mi me probaron actividades mias ahi de ‘hace 9 meses, me han dicho cuando yo Llegue ahi desde la marca de cigarros que yo fumaba hasta al cine que habi-~ tualmente iba, es decir no conmigo solo sino con, todos _los miembros de la direccion del movimento. . Ud. hablo de la direccion y hablo de miembros, En que es= tado ha quedado ahora en esta ultima redada su organiza~ cion? FRANQUL ' FALCON: Completamente destruida GOMEZ s Ud. nos dijo antes que habia una cierta desconfianza de la ; ; Agencia Central de Inteligencia y los miembros del grupo 5 a que Ud. dirigia en Cuba, Que puede decirnos? FALCON: Practicamente casi toda la direccion y recibimos instruc= ciones de salir del territorio a fin de hacer una investi- gaclone GOMEZ 3 ' Y¥ono recibieron Uds. instrucciones de utilizar metodos coac= tivos para lievar a los Estados Unidos a algunos que no qui-~ sieran ir FALCON: = S — GOMEZ : Por ejemplo, contra quienes - FALCON: Contra el Coordinador de Finanzas, si el individuo no que- ria ir por su voluntad, ed decir no se le decia a lo que iba, se le decia que iba a tomar un entrenamiento, pero si ‘no querla por su voluntad habia que sacarlo secuestrado. VIVO: _Y¥ si se negaba a ir FALCON: ‘as instrucciones que tenian ellos era de que lo mataran. VIVO: De que lo nataran aunque fuera un compafiero? FALOON: ; Si VIVO: Ud. ha hablado aqui de la desmoralizacion que existe en su organizacion y en general en la contra~revolucion; Que opi- nion tiene Ud. de las posibilidades de la contra-revolucion en la lucha contra el pueblo de Cuba? FALCON H Yo creo que son practicamente nula en este momento, yo ereo que nadie pueda hacer nada que pueda derrocar el gobierno RevolucLonario de Cuba en este moemtno; practicamente nues— ae
13- 0000 4 C (|, SECRETO C 18 Jul 62 REF.: Entrevista a Juan FALCON Tamar, detenido ay ) en Cuba....(Cont. FALCON: © GOMEZ : FALCON: GOMEZ FALCON: GOMEZ : FRANQUL: FALCON: FRANQUI FALCON: GOMEZ | FALCON: tra lucha pues no tiene razon de ser y en cierto aspecto es hasta inmoral pues lo que estamos es causando una serie de perdidas materiales y perdidas de vida tambien a la cual no tenemos derecho Eg una lastima que Uds. no se convenzan de eso hasta que no estan preso ' Bueno yo no me habia convencido antes, el problema es como yo le decia antes era que yo crela que no habia otra salida y ese es el caso de muchos de los que estan conspirando hoy en dia. . Ua. estuvo personalmente en contacto con los agentes de la Si Es decir tuvo Ud. oportunidad de conversar con ellos y de estudiar cuales eran sus puntos de vistas Cuales cree Ud. que eran sus objetivos en Cuba, con que fines los utilizaba a Uds? EL objetivo basico de los Norteamericanos en este momento no es resolver el problema de Cuba, sino el producir aqui un es= | tado de agitacion y de alarma, es decir utilizarnos a noso- tros con esos fines para ellos poder llevar a cabo una propa= ganda por toda la America Latina y hablar de los horrores del gobierno comunista de Cuba, es decir ese es el objetivo que ellos persiguen. Io utilizaban a todos como carne de cafion Por que el movimiento contra-revolucionario a que Ud. perte— nece se llama de Recuperacion. Bueno la palabra indica de recuperar la revolucion Bueno pero nosotros le recuperamos al imperialismo todo lo que el imperialismo le quitaba a nuestra patria, entonces Uds. le iban a recuperar a la revolucion lo que nosotros le quite- ms al imperialisme No, es otra idea completamente distinta. Bueno es una con- cepcion distinta. Cree Ud. que la palabra recuperacion no fue una palabra bien escogida. Bueno eso depende del punto que se vea, paulatinamente lleramos al convencimiento de que no estabamos recuperando, que lo esta- 12
REF.: “ntrevista de Juan’ FALCON Tamar, detenido en Cuba...« (Cont. FALCON: FALCON: “FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: FALCON: GOMEZ: FALCON: FALCON: - FRANQUI:. FALOON: FRANQULI : FALCON: SECRETO. ¢ at 18 Jul 62 rowan 13S bamos recuperando por los norteamericanos Que puede decirnos Ud. del trato que ha recibido mientras ha estado Ud. arres tado en el “pto, de Seguridad del Egtado Excelente, practi.camente puedo decir que nunca me he sentido . como un pristonero Cree Ud. que ese es un trato personal. para Ud., especial para Ud. ood No; ha sido con todos los miembros de muestro movimiento 3 es - decir un trato general» yo creo que 6s una cuestion de princi- pios del Dpto. de Seguridad del. Estado Segun. Ud. explico llego a la direccion de esa organizacion que pretendia recuperar el pasado imposible para nuestro pais des~ pues de Playa Giron y como pensaban Uds. que iban a triunfar, repitiendo Playa Giron o mediante da intervencion directa de ios Marines norteamericanos. Pensabamos que podiamos internamente sin ayuda de ellos, eso fue una cosa absurda practicamente. Como Uds. van a pensar eso, si con la ayuda de ellos y la de Uds. junto no pudieron. No nos avisaron Uds. eran un movimiento aislado o tenian Uds. contacto con otros grupos contrarrevolucionarios en Cuba o fuera de Cuba Practicamente era un movimiento aislado Pero Uds. se reunian con otros grupos para realizar determina dos actos con otros grufios. Bueno ya le dije que el actodel 26 se hizo en union de otras organizaciones _ A Playa Giron vino uno de los jefes principales de Uds. Si, el Sec. Gral. del Mov. el Sr. Manuel Artime. Yel Sr. Manuel Artime tampoco les aviso. No porque las comummicaciones estaban en manos de los americanos.. ple SEPRETO
13-00000 REF, : Entrevista de Juan FALCON Tamar, detenido en “Cubes «se (Conte _ Vivo: | FALCON: _ VIVO: FALCON: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: VIVO: _ FALCON: FRANQUI: FALCON: VIVO: FALCON: GOMEZ: oo SECRETO an 18 Jul 62 no.aa / 3 Y SL esta claro, no le avisaron a ellos. Ud. tiene en esa organizacion el mismo cargo que Artime No, Artime era Secretario General. Quien dirige la parte civil alla? ' EL delegado nuestro en el axtranjero el Sr. Jose Ignacio. lazagae ne la Agancia Central de Inteligencia segun Ud. ha explicado - aqui es la organizadora, financiadora y la que da ordenes directas y concretas y da pistolas, silenciador, radios, dollares etc. a las organizaciones, Ud. sabe que la Agéen= cia Central de Inteligencia fue la organizadora de la inva- sion a Playa Giron? Si : Y sabian Uds, que estaba organizande de nuevo desde veinte y pico campamentos establecidos en los Estados Unidos, Nica= raegua, Guatemala, Venezuela y otros paises una nueva invasion a Cuba? -% De eso no teniamos conocimientos. No tenian Uds. conocimientos de ninguna otra invasion no es- peraban Uds. de nuevo una invasion a Cuba. No, en terminos concretos no, en lineas generales si, nosotros estabamos convencidos de que interneamente no podiamos derrocar al gobierno y tiene que ser externamente a base de una inva- sion. Ud. cree que la CIA se iba a conformar con mandarle dos o tres agentes a Uds. para organizar las conversaciones por radio esas Para los fines de ellos de crear aqui. un estado de agitacion She Ya Ud. describio que la CIA se proponia invadir de nuevo a Cuba, en caso de una invadion que Ud. cree que ocurriria | Bueno, si la otra fue destruida en 72 horas yo creo que esta corre la misma suerte, Tiene Ud, Juan FALCON Tomar alguna cosa que agregar a las res~ puestas que ha dado a los periodistas miembros del panel, tie- ne alguns: otra declaracion que hacer. mom nt
13-00000 | eo ( 2eN SECRETO | _ REF.:. Entrevista de Sua FALCON Tamar, detenido — | 2 f FALCON: Si lo que queria hacer incapies en hacerle una exhortacion a los militantes del movimiento que hoy esten en la calle para que desistan de la idea de. seguir conspirando y yo lo digo’ por dos razones, una es que a la larga o a la corta van a terminar en la misma situacion que nosotros y la otra - eS Que nuestralucha ya no tiene razon de ser porque basica= mente lo que estamos es haciendole el juego al goblerno nor= teamericano y sirviendo para los fines para los cuales ellos nos usan, eso es en general.lo unico.que queria decir. ~lh—