AGENCY : RECORD NUMBER : RECORD SERIES : AGENCY FILE NUMBER : ORIGINATOR : FROM: TO: TITLE: DATE : PAGES: SUBJECTS : DOCUMENT TYPE: CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : CURRENT STATUS : DATE OF LAST REVIEW : OPENING CRITERIA : COMMENTS : JFK Assassination System Identification Form Agency Information KISS/SCOW 178-10004-10295 SCOWCROFT MEMCONS ‘MARCH 5, 1975 Document Information WH MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION 03/05/1975 4 ASSASSINATIONS, FOREIGN LEADERS CIA . COLBY, WILLIAM E. FORD, GERALD R. KISSINGER, HENRY A. SCOWCROFT. BRENT MEMORANDUM Secret IC Redact 08/12/1993 Date: 8/27/201 Released under the John F. ennedy Assassination Records Ollection Act of 1992 [44 UsSc e107 Nore) . Casef#iNW 54214 Memorandum of conversation, participants: Ford, Kissinger, Scowcroft. v9.1 HW 54214 DoclId:32105723 Page 1
MEMORANDUM \, 7s & THE WHITE HOUSE % SECRED wep crepe WASHINGTON SECRET NSBISHEBS _ WASH cm .MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION PARTICIPANTS: The President Henry A, Kissinger, Secretary of State and Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs y DATE & TIME: Wednesday - March 5, 1975 9:17 - 10:02 a.m, PLACE: The Oval Office President: The Iranian deal played well, Kissinger: It was so screwed up -- but it did appear well, On the 40 Committee on Portugal. State thinks it is a mistake, on the ground that the risk is out of proportion to gain, I don't see a hell of a lot to gain by $500,000. We could wind up with the worst possible situation. Colby indicated he wouldn't spend it, What do you think, Brent? \ Scowcroft: The advantage is the press is Communist-controlled and the. press of the moderate party is asking for the money, President: How can any one object to helping a democratic press? Kissinger: That is what we did in Chile. President: If it is defensible, why shouldn't we? Kissinger: It will leak and hurt the parties, President: That is a different case. “SECREP INCE KER n 20M GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION “3 i UL OF PEECUTIVE ORDER [1652 \ AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED’ ON Xing 9 AG ye Photocopy , from HW 54214 DocId: 32105723 Cet eFax Library
SECRET ents HBS -2- Kissinger: I would tell Colby to do what he can in the package without Spending the money, President: Should I talk to Church? Kissinger: I would tell him the dangers are that our intelligence will be Paralyzed; we have to protect sensitive data, Colby is now blackmailing me on the assassination stories. Nixon and I asked Helms to look into possibilities of a coup in Chile in 1970. Helms said it wouldn't work. Then later the people who it was discussed with tried to kidnap Schneider and killed him, oe The OPEC summit came out interestingly. He said OPEC had to behave responsibly and Algeria would agree to a price cut if its development budget was protected. Our policy is working. They are no longer jumping at the consumer-producer conference, President: What is happening in IFA? Kissinger: We are telling the British and Dutch we won't accept an invita- tion to a preparatory conference until we get alternative sources nailed down. I think the OPEC evolution is very encouraging, President: Some of the smart people in Europe must see we are making the producers need income, Kissinger: That is right. One way would be raise the price, But todo that, they would have to cut production, They can't agree on how to allocate the cuts. If we were free with the Saudis, we could get atleast a deal not to cut production. That is why this discrimination campaign of the Jews is outrageous. Ethiopia: My recommendation is to send them $7 million and encourage negotiations, Kenya has aksed for military assistance. President: What do they want? What kind of attitude do they have to us? Kissinger: I favor it. They are friendly and they have some neighbors who are disturbing, ; Iam uneasy about the Israelis, They haven't asked for compensation for the oil fields, but there has not been even a study group. SECRET NEDSS SESS ToDISTESHS Photocopy . from Gerald R. Ford Library HW 54214 DocId:32105723 Page 3
SECREP HERE RS -3- If necessary, I would like a letter from you saying you can't accept a stalemate, and if we go to Geneva you will put forward a modification of the Rogers Plan -- which means the 1967 borders. I think we just, can't go to Geneva as the lawyer for Israel, President: The toughest position needed to get them to act is what I favor. Kissinger: Asad has even indicated he would take a limited agreement and would sign a peace treaty; he was willing to dump the PLO. Now he is enlisting the PLO to stymie things. We can't bring Asad in -- even though if I tried, he would be so obnoxious that it would go slower than Egypt -- and then we could move it to Geneva after Egypt settled. But that is too tricky.. I would rather tell him the truth privately -- that we would make an effort as soon as an Egypt-Israel deal is finished, President: That is my preference, Kissinger: The big issue is will you take on Israel for another Syrian move, President: If we are honest with him and go through Geneva -- which will fail -- then Asad would come to us. Kissinger: I think Asad will want something before Geneva. The other would be ideal. President: Can't you tell him we will try to get something before Geneva? Kissinger: Yes, but you have to know that would be bloody with the Israelis, If we could get five or ten kilometers on the Golan, we would be in good shape. Israel will claim it destroys their defensive cabability, It is important whether I can tell Asad we will make a major effort. We will have to move into open opposition to the Israelis. President: If you think that is the best way to get progress, I am for it, Kissinger: We will be driven toa Syrian move, either before or after. President: Suppose the Israelis say let's go to Geneva, the Soviet Union does... “SECREPTRODISHHG RS — Photocopy from Gerald R. Ford Library HW 54214 Docld:37105723 Page 4