#66; Englemann, you really didn't ever focus well on him, but you had quite good imagery—about... ocation which you perceived. #31: Yeah, I n@ver did- well, if I did see hi had the feeling that he yas here, and that this was also a lace where he would us¥ally be employed. Like when he ws doing his real thing. #66: Outside of th a #31: Without being, uh...a hostage or anything like that. That he really would have been here during his normal duty hours and because he was, thi Ts regular work place, he and. A mwenother—guy-that maybe were work~, had worked here croup, ff ’ were now. down here at this time talking about this group, this cluster, semicircular cluster of boxes, which are, by the way, they're rather large. They're like...as tall as this room ceiling is, which is probably 10 feet, 10 feet tall. Okay? And these things might be 3 feet, and this might be 6 feet. So I had the feeling that he was being, he had been called in here and was being told to talk about these ~eqripments or Whatever-were“in-these boxes, and Tha d the impression that they were going to be dismantled and taken away. #66: Okay, Who was asking these questions? w #31: Tt wasn't an Iranian, I can tell you that. It was somebody else that was not a member of the group. Okay? #66: And what makes you say that? #31: Just because I didn't get the typical Iranian vibes of, of, you know...it was a competent discussion that was going on, it was not some discussion that was being pointed and ga~ga'd and sign language and, it was something that was extremely competent and technical type questions. Not the type that you would expect from Iranian students who are not echnically competent and, you know, their answer to check- ing es_is to evacuate the whole fi that type o ing. It's more, it was, I felt at ease, not threatened, like I had in the past when I've been working with people that are in the presence of hostage keepers. I felt at ease, but like impressed with competency, like efficiency. Like people were interrogating me were asking me all the right questions and using all the right buzz words. #66: Qkay, a technician, maybe. #31: Yeah, a technical, instead of just some, what is that, type of a thing. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001000100001-0
Approved For Release 2000/03faimé #663 #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: Mee ETYIS-0788R001000100001-0 Can we move now to a sketch of the outside of the building? Yeah.... Okay, this is "X" on sketch 6 is the position from which I was viewing the building. Okay? There is a white line, it goes off like that. Appeared to be a white line that went off like that. There appeared to be a white circle and there appeared to be black. Okay? I don't know if these two blacks interconnect or not, but there's black, like black. Okay, I've turned the tape over now. Okay, some of this is written upside down and everything. Anyway, the way I was looking at it was this way. It was a long rectangular building from top to- along the axis, top to bottom. On the far end of it was like black, like a hardtop parking area, on the left hand side of it was black like a hartop parking area. There was some sort of a white circle in the. middle of that up closer to the building in the middle, I don't know, like a circular walkway or some thing, a white line coming down off the end, and a- vertigal, and a white line going a little bit off of horizontal to the right. And this is the building. That was the one vi Okay? And the one before that was-, I have two more to do, 7 and 8, okay. AY I believe this one you said you were standing on the roof or something? Yeah. No, not this one. Well, okay, this one. I'11 make ig this one. There is...right in the foreground, on like ertical pole, like I thought maybe a flagpole...yau know, it was like right up here, right up close to me. And that's the roof edge...and this is the roof. And I had a line of trees on my right...and a line of trees on my distant left. That comes back the...horizontal is wrong, here but... and I had the feeling that back down here I could see a building of...of some type. the trees. Okay, that's standing on the roof looking out with the trees to your left and right. Yeah, #7, right...I don't know what was in there. This was covered by...at least some sort of trees, because I had the feeling I was peeking through trees at the corner of that open area. And that's really about it. The only other thing I had-, before the actual progression on that transcript here goes...and then comes 7 and then goes 6, cause this of course as I was comin' out, Okay, looking at your drawings, now, do you have any recol- lection as to the building that you were in? —SEGRET- Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001000100001-0
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 SIZES ARE REVA’S8R001000100001-0 #31: It is the one...the only thing I can remember about: it is that it is the one outside of which is the raised box... wlk would be on the "X" in 7. I'm just putting the "Xx" there, because I didn't see or feel anythihig Like It's the raised Up thing that th yofad the machine guy op vhen I worked a session and en up with two.mactHine guns in the “a corner of a field, this being the corner of a field. Okay, and I was coming, I remember coming, working this wood line up here saying that there was a trench with troops in it, not troops in it, but with some firing positions along here, and then that there was a.big box like thing out here. #66: Okay. #31: Okay?. It's tucked in right into the the corner, but that's the building that I'm thinking of. #66: Okay, fine. ~> #31: And then also in a different session I had an interior balcony, stairwell on the right with some sort of a weird statuary sitting in the middle of the lobby, and that's of where I started this session. #66: Okay, and again you felt clearly that's where you wound up, although... Now, I have one other question that I want to ask you. You had talked about Englemann being in this location, you thought he was there, talking about these boxes or cabinets or whatever they were. Do you feel that he is-, was only in this building temporarily, or that this is the building where he usually is? #31: I didn't, yeah, I think this is the...I. did not feel, I'll tell you what I didn't feel, what I...I didn't really address whether or not he really belonged here or not all the -time, but I did not feel like he'd been dragged a long way, I didn't feel that he was anyplace out of the usual or the ordinary. Nothing special about his location. Special about his activities, yeah, but I didn't feel like that he had been moved all the way across the compound, or that he'd been taken to some far away place and was doing this talking. I felt like he was pretty close to where he usually would be found. #66: Okay. And we find him on the Embassy compound in Teheran: #31: Yeah, that's where I think he is. I find him on familiar turf. #66: Okay, fine. Anything else you'd like to add? #31: No. SEGREF Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001000100001-0
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