Approved For Release 2000/08/07 SEBREF. scrcoocs004s0001.3 my little man all the time because it almost looked like a man. There may be some symbology towards that. #36: Does that fit the kind of specific (not audible). #14: I don't know but it seems to fit this whole thing. If I was just to draw the man here it would be nothing. So let me, In Item Cc, . . I'm trying . I believe the buildings were shaped like this. #36: I see why you use that particular cueing device for your memory. #14: Yeah. Well, let's go on to the next one. bunker. PAUSE Then, of course, I saw it from several angles. It had a square top. #36: You said square, flat top that you could see through. #14: Right. #36: You did mention that it was earth covered. #14: Yeah. But even earth covered, the top was flat. #36: I just wanted to be sure I was understanding what you were saying. You could see a square flat shape. #14: Um hm. Right. PAUSE This is kind of a... at "D", kind of oblique - not too good I guess. PAUSE "E" is more of a top view. #36: Is that the second bunker? #14: No, that's. .. #36: Another view of the same one. #14; Right. 10 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : oin-ne oe SEE 000%
Approved For Release 2000108 Ppp Hedfaaz8er000900460001-3 PAUSE #36: Could you label those B Prime and B 1 and B 2, to we know that they are the same one - different views. #14: Yeah. PAUSE How's that? #36: That's good. #14: Another bunker shape that I had, and I also saw that from several angles. I'll draw the first one. It was odd, it was kind of like this. I'm going to make it look long. As if I'm looking up. PAUSE #36: You say you flew along in this direction like a loaf of bread? #14: Yeah. Why is it so difficult to draw? PAUSE BE 1is kind of a front view, a like view. Not very good. #36: Its a good drawing; I can see it. #14: I'll draw an aerial perspective. . from where I was. I'm not sure whether it had an entrance on each end. It could have had. PAUSE Oh, that's not too well either. PAUSE That looks more like it, I guess. PAUSE #36: Is that part of your bunker or is that E-3? #14: No, that's E-3. Its trying to make a better drawing of 2. 11 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : TEER eoccs00ss0001-
Approved For Release 2o00i0s07 gfe sfhazz3R000900460001-3 #36: #14: #36: #14: #36: #14: #36: #14: #36: #14: All right, #14, the next thing that you described in clarity was being in a long hallway with large metallic pipes up high. Well, at first I went through the whole thing. First I approached this bunker and there was a small doorway there or whatever. I seemed to be inside, but this. . this would be Page 2, F-l. Um hm. There appeared to be a small opening here, a doorway. But that opening is of size for a human to get into. That's where I wnet in. Yeah, its... Very large doorway. Ahhh. . . at 2, I moved closer until all I saw was this opening. It was. . . I don't know if there's a. . . It was large enough for two doors to be in there. Um hm. I can see from your heights or width ratio that it could take two normal size doors. That was kind of set back, recessed. PAUSE I decided not to try to open the door and go in through the usual means. The next thing I remember in F-3 was this hallway. PAUSE There appeared to be this, large pipes of conduit. It was attached to the wall and they were various sizes. There was a large one, there were several small. . this was dark down here. I had the feeling of. . there were several doorways or whatever down here. PAUSE There didn't seem to be any doorway on my right or access way. PAUSE Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : cin. Sola be deaas0001-3
Approved For Release 2000108107 SyfofeMfe Tar ser000900450001-3 #36: Do those windows lead to the outside or to another area? #14: No. No. It seemed it was either a hallway outside of there or it was all internal. #36: Um hm. Are you suggesting that those windows were used to view inside the room or outside the room? #14: I don't know. Its hard to say. #36: Don't worry about it, go ahead. #14; And in relation to this. . .this is really not a fair representation. PAUSE #36: What is that #14? #14: This is a chair here. Whre somebody would sit or whatever. #36: Okay. I see what you mean. #14: Yeah. And there's . . just all kinds of gadgets and stuff like that. And, they were just huge and bulky. Okay, we'ge got one here. And, we've got one over here. This is another console here. And there'd be another chair here. And, as I described, these two operators or whatever, would be sitting back-to-back. And that's. and looking inbetween them, if you were standing back, you would see the doorway and these two window type things. PAUSE #36: Label that "G". #14: I've got F-4. #36: Oh, F? #14: Yeah. These are all related to... #36: Okay. All right. #14: And... #36: Your "F" which is hallway. Okay, same Okay. complex.
Approved For Release sonnei Pee MRED resRcocee0480001-2 #14: #36: #14: #36: #14; #36: #14: #36: #14: #36: #14: #36: #14: #36: #14: #36: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00768 Well, I can label this "G". Well. It doesn't matter. As long as its labeled, I guess. It doesn't matter. PAUSE Let me come up with an F-5 here. PAUSE I'll draw an aerial type. PAUSE That's the consoles. Right. Over here is the door. Window. I had a feeling that all along the outer edge of this room, of course, it was broken up in different areas. Electrons. Yeah. Captives, whatever. Electronic equipment. I don't know why anybody would want to put something together like that but... Do you know where the other door was? Yeah. I'll get to it. The other door was over here. And there was another, Oh God, I don't know how far this room went back, it was another large room, I'll put it back at least to here. And back in here was just a profusion. Electrical wiring. This was all inside this bunker. The square bunker. Later you were seeing silo's again. Was that the same silo that you looked at earlier. Well, I had a much better view. I'11 label this "G". This time, I was looking at a round nosed missile and I was standing up above looking down. Um hm. TUR 0900460001-3
Approved For Release zoocroamndgfotg tet oo7esr000s004s0001- #14: I'm going to have to draw one thing or the other. I'll draw the missile solid. It will standout against the rest of it. PAUSE I don't know why I drew it that way. PAUSE Anyhow, I was standing on the edge, looking down. Call that G-1, G-2. #36: That;s when you (not audible) overhead. #14; Right. Oh, don't ask me how I draw some of these. And there appeared to be some type of pipes or whatever alongside the walls at different places. I didn't. . . It was difficult to pay a whole lot of attention to it. PAUSE But it was dark way down in the recesses. PAUSE #36: You appeared a little apprehensive above here looking down on it and then I discovered that you were down there anyway. #14: Yeah. There was a little lapse of time there and the next thing I knew, when you were suggest- ing that I... #36: I thought you were still up there looking down and I said go down. #14: Yeah, and when you suggested that I go up higher and I looked up and I was looking out of the hole from down below. The only thing I had . . I wasn't apprehensive, it just looked a little bit crowded down there. You know, there wasn't a whole lot of room. #36: That was about it as far as the descriptions you gave me. Do you have anything else? #14: No. In G-3, like I said I was getting a lot of different shopts of this thing coming out. This is just another huge, I had the feeling it was a huge round shapeness so I didn't, couldn't get any fins or anything associated with it. 15 | Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : cin ROPER ATEPOEND sc0001-3