Approved For Release sodggieytteperopsc-00728R000900480001-1 +20 #66: #44: This really should be Drawing Number 7. I get a sense of being in a park like area. I still have the sense of an open space. I still have a sense of it being . .. I don't have any sense of people being around. PAUSE What in the hell is that? PAUSE Okay. #11 is probably leaving the target now. Okay. PAUSE I think I've got enough for the sense of the place to do a little bit more and then I want to go back and review everything because there's a couple of; at least one drawing that I haven't annotated. PAUSE Okay. As per usual with Drawing at Number 7, I could see the front two corners. I can see the corner at "A" and the corner at "B" and have a sense of this scrolled up effect or this curved up effect as if it is a plate, piece of something, metal, metallic, that is turned up. Now here's another one. Appears to be an unfolded box. PAUSE As if you took the . . I'm running out of letters. If you took the drawing that is at "Y" and curled up in the direction of the arrow, this projection on this plate, you'd wind up with the drawing that is at "X". And there appear to be four of the same size. There is a sense of it being an open and park like area. I don't sense any structures. I had no PAUSE . . sense of there being any buildings. This is . . I'm glad I don't understand this. Looks like a cloud lay. Shove it down; don't worry about it. I had no sense of there being 6 Approved For Release 2006 petty Ftd RDP96-00788R000900480001-1
Approved For Release OSE ASTER 26-007earo00800480001.-1 +25 #66: any buildings affixed to the area. I have the feeling that its an outdoor park. Some place probably here on Post. PAUSE Boy, he's just fascinated with this curled up metal. PAUSE If this turns out to be all not there, I'm going to be disappointed. I've looked at the same dumb things from about four different perspectives. PAUSE By now, you're beginning to wish that I would finish at least one sentence. The typist is going to be crying by this time. Okay. I had the feeling that I was in an outdoor kind of display, kind of like a museum; not the missile down here but maybe an artillery display that I'm not familiar with . . that I don't know about. Didn't get a sense of there being mechanized equipment unless it was the Drawing that is at 3. I know that there are park like places here on Post and I know. . I have a sense that there are displays of this type here on Post, so I'm going to say that its probably . . or analyzing, say that its probably at Fort Meade. That there is some place on this Post that is a display of various types of hardware, field guns and things like that. I got a sense of it being a flat park like area with some fencing around. Keeping people from climbing on the field guns which seems to make the Army nervous. And patting them and things like that. I had the sense that there is at least one tree that provided shade. PAUSE In the area. That's back to the left. Back to the left and behind the immediate area where #11 was. Did I finally answer your question? Yes. Um hm. Approved For Release occ eet RE Ropes-00788R000800480001-1
Approved For Release sarge Ropss-o07e8R000900480001-1 #44; #66: #443 #66: #44: I'd like to go back and go through the series that I did and see if there's any questions that you have and make sure that I've gotten down all my perceptions. Okay. I think I beat Number 1 to death. Order of magnitude on that is that is quite large. PAUSE The corner here I would estimate to be at least 12 feet above the ground. Twelve? Yeah. At least 12 feet above the ground. Now, I got a glimmering that there were two plates as at "A" and at "B". "C" is just an analytical sketch. The drawing at Number 2 was odd. I had the feel- ing that there was rectangular block low down something like a tombstone with a railing through it. The first perception that I got of the object was that it was lower down and gray. The second percpetion of the object changed plain and changed location. So, it may be that there are two objects and may be that there are two different flat brick- a~linear items. But I had the sense of there being words on both. Explanative words. And the... . Humph! Thelong rectangle that projects through the cube at "A" may not be a railing, it might be something in the nature of a planter. All I see is a dark line. But the drawing at "B" is definitely a plate on a railing. Three is a cylinder, a long tube like cylinder, that's projecting away from me and appears to have a curve to be projecting past a curve. Now, an analytical quesstimate on that is that its pole. . . Almost certainly. . Now, wait a minute. I was going to say almost certainly made out of metal but it has the same size correlation as telephone pole. Could it be a toy? I don't know. Some kind of a giant jungle jim thing. Its possible. It has the same correlation though to me, analytically, as the gun tube projecting over 8 Approved For Release 2000 yee ErrenP2s.00788R000900480001-1
Approved For Release oodggpetst refer DP96-00788R000900480001-1 #66: #44: he front fender of a tank would have. Where you have a curved front fender and you have the gun tube projecting out from the rest of the tank is not drawn but is off to the right. Ya da da da. Four is the same as Number 3 except drawn further around clockwise, no counterclockwise to the right. Moving to the right so that the tube appeared to be projecting away from you more and is thus more for shortened. Fatter. Its too fat as I've drawn it. Five was two cylinders projecting through a plate. Now, one of the things. . one of the. . Let's see, I've tried to draw this twice unsuccessfully. One of the things that if. . . that suggested itself to me was a scroll as the toro would be and why its projecting at an angle through a plate, I don't know. I had the sense of a two. . cylinders being in relation to the rolled scroll. I've indicated that that is Drawing "C". Up at the top corner of the page. PAUSE Six I never described. Never (not audible). It is a ball on the top of a pyramid and I had the feeling that it was . . Now, this is the same kind of a thing that I've seen . . carved out of stone in. . .sandstone someplace, I don't know where or when. But it would be the decorative top to a post on a stone wall. You have the wall coming in and you'd have this cap at the top of the thing. Had the same sense of order of magni- tude to be 12 inches on the base of the pyramid. Okay. It felt like stone. With the exception of the ball at the top which. . the ball, the sphere appeared or felt to be smoother than stone would normally be. Seven, I had the feeling that I was back underneath either a curving roof or a tree. I had the feeling that there was a curving dark surface above me as if I was standing back or moved back underneath a tree. Or had walked. . no it was behind me, darn it. Still behind me. From the area in question, I had moved back and that this curving surface was 9 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 SHE CHHETS-00788R000900480001-1
Approved For Release TORBORE Geb P96-00788R000900480001 “4 back over my left shoulder. Wouldn't be too disappointed if it was some sort of a shelter but I don't think it was. If I had to guess, I'd guess a tree. I have no explanation for the drawing done on 7. I just had the sense of several of these curving shapes as if you had a metal pipe that was rolled up in various places and various ways. PAUSE Is there anything else that I can do for you? #66: No, I think that's fine. I think that you've got an awful lot of imagery there. I think that's really interesting. Is there anything that you want to add? You've given me a good overall impression of the area; you've done that a couple of times. I think that's really good. You give kind of a dump of a good overall impression. You've done that a few times. Is there anything that you think you want to add? PAUSE #44: Yes. Get me a different colored pencil would you please. #66: Okay. #44: I don't know how to explain this but the images seem to be of a different quality and I want to try and note. . . I don't know how to explain this. PAUSE Some of the images appeared to be as different quality than others. I don't know if I can remember. #66: Okay. Once before you went and you put pluses and minuses on them. #44: Yeah. That was images about which I felt good and felt bad. PAUSE Geez, I can't remember. This is going to fail for lack of ... PAUSE 10 ' Approved For Release 2000108/07 SRE ARES007s8R000900480001-1
Approved For Release 2000 PR EE aina9s.00788R000900480001-1 #663 #44: #66: Two. . That would be Number Three. . This. .. Two. . . This would be Three. PAUSE Come on brain, work! I guess. . . Hmmm... PAUSE Three, I think. I'm still concerned with the analytical question. Continuing fight against analytical overlay and what I'm trying to do is say that there are times when I get pictures that come in. . If you had a 35MM slide projector, and you projected on a screen andyou had a TV screen side by side, the images on the TV screen would be different than the image - even if I had the same picture - but the quality of the image and the sense of the image would be different. . depending on the way the image was created. That's what I'm trying to say. The way the image was created in my mind is different from one to the other and I'm trying to see if I can develop a sense of which one's right and which one's wrong. Um hm. PAUSE (Not audible) And what I was doing with the plus and minuses was when I was trying to do that was to grade the images as to whether I thought they were real or not real. I've given up that because it doesn't work. It just does not work. I don't think I had anything else. Okay. Fine. 11 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 TOEEREE ncoccoooaeoo01.