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#19.5:
Page
is the entrance
to the tunnel
on the side
of
the large building and how
I perceived
it.
And the unidentified tall structure
to the
left.
I
get
a feeling that
this structure also
is
not
a solid.
You know,
its
like you can see through
parts of
it.
Or elements of
it.
I
don't know
why
I
say that
-
its just
a perception.
And that
the
large building
to
the right had four floors.
#72:
Is there any indication of
any
sort
of ventilation
on something on
the roof of that building?
#19.5:
No.
I'd hesitate
to say that.
Now.
For some reason,
when
I
look at this
I
also
get
a sense
of
a great many pumps,
pipes,
just
this conglomerate
of stuff — but
I
don’t know
where
to put
it.
Its just
an impression
I
get
when
I
look at this view on Page
3.
So there
might
be
a whole lot
of clutter there that
I’m
not
seeing.
Page
is
a side cutaway view of
.
.
ground level
versus below level
.
And
it
shows the access road
with
an arrow going into the tunnel entrance
and
then the tunnel goes through like
a zig zag pattern
and accesses the elevator from the end.
The elevator
goes
down
a shaft
and opens into the underground
storage
area.
I
also show the way the building
appendage comes out
of the back and stands on legs
with pipes going
into these humps
in the ground.
And then the pattern,
the cutaway pattern of
like
humps going out.
I
don’t know what those humps
are.
I
get
a
.
.
.
I’m not
.
.
I
couldn't
clearly
say
if there was another access
to this underground
storage from the main building or not.
But
it seems
reasonable.
I
just
don't know where
it
is.
I
didn't
see one.
#72:
Okay.
#19.5:
Page
5 is
a top view of that same area with the
tunnel entrance depicted the way the tunnel zig
zags.
Its
sort
of
like
a.
.
protective blast wall
or something,
I guess.
It
zig zags around and
enters the end of the elevator and the elevator
goes up
and down
in the shaft
to the underground
area.
And the underground area ...
I believe
I said was
in two parts
-
No.
That was
a floor
of the building.
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#72:
The undergound area
.
.
.
#19.5:
Is
in two parts.
One’s
a storage area and one’s
like a light
assembly
area.
#72:
Yeah.
Storage to the rear.
#19.5:
Yeah.
And.
.
the two pipes going off
in
the humps
in the ground and the appendage on the back of the
building.
Page
is the perspective of what
it
looks
like
facing the area pallet
storage
in the underground
storage
area.
This
is like the support coloums
are numerous and they're extremely heavy.
I
get
a feeling of
.
.
I mean really
.
.
really solid
concrete,
down here.
And the white assembly's
off
to one side and then there's
like this
dark
entryway down
at the end and
it
goes
into the
second area and that's where they store
all these
pallets
.
And then Page
is
an example of what
a load on
the pallet
looks
like.
Then there's these objects
and
-
I
don't even know
if there's four to
a pallet
there might be more than that or less than that
-
but
this
is the impression
I
got
in my minds
eye,
was
at the ends
of
these.
.
these like modual
type
devices and the ends are cut
flat
and recessed and
the recesses are painted red.
Real bright
red and
they have hexagonal
inserts
in the end where there's
some form of hexagon key goes
in there.
And its
like this
is some kind of
a safety lock or something.
And then right up
the nose from these
is
a bright
band of yellow.
Now the entire device,
except
this outer
ring,
this recessed ring which
is silver
-
the device
is
a dark color like
a dark brown or
earth color and then these bands of yellow,
bright
yellow.
And,
I
don't know what the rest of this
device
looks
like,
you know.
I kept wanting to
make
it
an artillery shell,
but
I
.
.
it
just,
for some reason
I
don't want
to say artillery
shell.
I
don't know what
it
is.
Some form of fancy can
or something.
#72:
Urn hm.
#19.5:
And that's
it
for my drawings.
#72:
Okay,
let's go over
a couple of the things that
I've got noted here and see
if you can give me
a couple
- some more explanation
(not
audible).
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#72:
How about
the dust-free room?
#19.5:
Okay,
just
a
.
.
.
#72:
Small scale manufacture.
#19.5:
I
just got
an impression of this
area that was
fairly small,
very bright,
you know like
an
excessive amount
of lighting.
#72:
Urn hm.
#19.5:
Everybody was wearing hoods with plexiglass
plates.
You know,
like plastic wrappings on
hands and feet.
Its just
immaculate
area.
And there was small objects on table tops that
were being assembled.
They're made of brass
or brass colored type
.
.
metal.
And,
they've got
a form of coolent
type tanks
in there,
that
sort of thingSome overhead
lifts.
#72:
You said
it was
a dangerous
area.
#19.5:
Yeah,
I
felt
like this was
a crucial
area.
You
know,
like easy place to make
a mistake.
That's
all
I
got.
#72:
Okay.
When you went
to
.
.in the main building
on one of the upper floors you said there was
a
.
.
a guard area.
#19.5:
Right.
It seemed to be
a
.
.
well,
the whole
pi.
.
.
I
got
a feeling like the whole place
was guarded.
But
I got
a feeling like there was
an elite guard to this
area.
And
.
.
.
almost
get
like
a lecture or classroom feeling to that
area for some reason.
.
with
an associate
lab
and some offices.
#72:
Okay.
The people spoke French as the common
language
.
#19.5:
Yeah.
I
get
a feeling like perhaps the
.
.
the
actual language would be something like
.
.
I
don't know Russian or Polish or something,
some
Slavic language.
I
got
a feeling like that's
the natural
language for this
area.
But
then
as much as
I wanted to
say that that's the
language being spoken here,
I
couldn’t
do
it.
And
I
kept
trying to arrive
at the native language
or what was being spoken or used and
I kept
coming
up with all kinds of nationalities
- Middle Eastern
East
German.
.
But,
I
always kept going back to
the
language,
French.
The language being spoken here
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#19.5:
I don't know
it
its
for
.
.
for ease
of
the kinds
of subjects that they're using or talking about
or.
.
.
if
its
a conglomerate of
a number
of
different people and the common language just
happens
to be French.
I
don't
know.
Just
a
feeling
#72:
Were
all
the people of
the same appearance?
Or dressed the same way?
#19.5:
Well,
they were all dressed in white
lab coats
and everything.
But,
if you mean from
a physical
characteristic standpoint
.
.
.
#72:
Yes.
#19.5:
I
don't
know.
I
can't
remember.
#72:
Okay.
PAUSE
When we went
down
in the assembly
area,
down
underground and the storage was
in the rear and
you said you felt
like
it was potent,
full
strength.
#19.5:
Yeah.
I
get
a feeling like this
is something you
could dilute
in water.
Not necessarily water
-
could be
air,
water.
.
sand.
I
just
get
a feeling
like
a little voice in the back of my head was
saying,
this
is not
one one millionth part per
cubic foot
.
This
is full
strength.
This
is the
real
stuff.
You know,
this
is the really potent,
undiluted stuff.
You know,
I
don't
.
.
its hard
to explain that
feeling.
Its
like you could
.
.
you could dilute
it
100,000 times and its still
very dangerous.
But
this
is really the
.
.
.
this
is the heavy stuff.
I
don't know how to explain
that
.
#72:
Okay.
Near the end you said
it looked like
a
ghost
town.
#19.5:
Yeah.
All
I got was
a
.
.
.
#72:
Physical destruction?
#19.5:
No.
No physical destruction.
What
I was
looking
at was empty buildings.
And
I
don't.
.
you know,
i
.
.
.
#72:
In the back of the building,
is that where the
raised ....
#19.5:
No,
this
is standing
in the front
looking out
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#72:
Okay.
#19.5:
I
get
an impression like all
this
light
industry
in the area was empty .
Like,
I
don't know
if
it
was
.
.
you know,
I
couldn't
say
it was
empty
for
a security reason,
or
a hazard reason.
.
.
Logically speaking,
I could say that
it was,
but
I
can't
do
that.
#72:
At that point
in time.
.
.
#19.5:
It was empty.
#72:
It was empty;
it
didn't
appear to be destroyed.
#19.5:
No.
#72:
Not physically damaged,
just
empty.
#19.5:
Like abandoned.
#72
:
Okay
#19.5:
Now,
that's different
from my hazard feeling.
I
had a real hazardous feeling about
this
target.
Like
a disaster type
feeling.
But
I
don't want
to associate that
to the deserted buildings
in
the area.
That's
.
,
.
clearly
a different
impression and
I
don't know how to explain
that,
but
.
.
.
#72:
Okay,
I
don't have anything else.
#19.5:
I guess what
I'm trying
to say
is
I
don't want
this statement
'deserted or abandoned buildings'
to be associated to
the hazard or the disaster.
#72:
They may or may not
.
.
.
#19.5:
They may or may not be associated to
that.
It
might be just purely
a security measure.
.
for
a securing
area.
I
just
don't want
to lock an
analyst
into
that kind.
Well,
I'm starting
to
analyze myself
to we'll
leave
it
at
that.
#72:
Okay,
I
don't have anything else.
#15.9:
I
don't
either.
#72:
Let's wrap
it
up.
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