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The sleeping man was around this corner.
Seven
is a living
room shot looking into the house.
Sleeping man.
. .. .ok.
.
.
.
and
a place where hostages were.
And,
I underline word on
it....... is around and to the right.
The idea
that place
.....is like around the corner
to the right,
first door,
left,
is
a room or ... .somehow you go back out and the window of
the hostages room looked on the patio where the pool
was.
So for
8,
oh,
go back to sketch
no
I can't do it
#66:
0k.
Pretty quick here now,
you started talking about,
you
spontaneously zipped outside and found those gun crew,
or
something.
#10.5:
Does that come first,
or does that come after this.
Did
I
start talking about where hostages used to be
or where they
are?
Which one came first?
#66:
Your gun crew came
first.
#10.5:
0k.
Let me do that.
All right.
I had the feeling of a...
uh.
.
. .non-dugged in but sandbagged position. .. .low,
low bagging
on it..... maybe
5 layers. .. .just enough for
a gun with
a
tri-pod to sit over
or point over,
ok.
I tried to figure
out what kind of
a gun
it was,
but
I
just couldn't.
I knew
it was there. ... .black and
it was ugly.. ...and
it was.... did
it's thing.
Surrounded by trees. ..almost trees,
almost out
in front of it.You know.
Trees are like right along the side
of
it and
a couple in the background.
And,
behind
it,
I
could see
the. building.
I
think
it was the same place.
I
do
think
I was just outside.
Uh... ....ok.
You can see it
peeking through the trees,
and,
maybe
a couple of windows
in
/
there.
Like that.
And,
the distance is maybe,
maybe 50 feet.
But,
it's covered over,
you know.
The trees are around
it.
But,
that somehow,
out this way,
this
is actually located
on
the edge of an open clearing.
. .and it's like tucked back
in
under the trees.
This is the target building.
Around here
is the pool patio.
#66:
0k.
Can you go to another page and draw an overview?
#10.5:
Yeah.
For
I
did hope up.
0k.
There are trees around
here... oops,
and
these trees make almost a crescent,
ok,
and
about like,
right here,
is where the gun
is.
0k.
0k,
I'll
also use this overhead
for the next aeries. .... .this is
number
9,
on number 9
when
I
was in..,.. I' 11 draw the
dotted arrow,
that
the direction which the previous hostages
had been directed in was
in that....... I had the feeling
like catty-corner across
the pool patio.,.. out from here
in that direction.
ok..... More trees around here.
0k.
And.
. .uh.
. .X,
on the spot,
that's sleeping man;
X...old
hostage location,
and then right at
the very end of the
session,
I was back outside one more time,
and
I had the
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feeling like there were like
two,
two people lounging
around a... outside patio type.
, .chairs that were there.
Right against the woods, between
the pool and the woods.
I mean they're lounging.
They're not in their skivvies.
They're lounging.
. .you know.
. .sitting on their butts
at
the... I mean they're dressed,
and everything,
situation.
0k.
0k.
The feeling about
the old hostage room was that
I
could peek out the left window and see the pool,
ok.
So
it would mean to me that
it might be
a little bit farther
back along that big blocky part... rear part of the building.
Uh...it was off the hall.
I
tried to look around,
and see
if
there were any other places like that,
but
I had the feeling
that
I was looking at essentially
a bare room that everything
had been moved out
of,
and the one minute, when
1 first looked
at
it,
I
said there's something interesting here,
what is
it.
There's nothing
in the room,
then
I saw like all sorts of
blankets and stuff all over,
and then
it disappeared again,
and then it came back again,
then
it disappeared again.
And,
then
I asked myself,
where did these people.
And,
I
looked up.
.and J^seked
oa-tt^oorner out the window and across
W’te"*pool and
I went
like.
. .voomTTTzoolW'4j3like the zooming
'iwith the camera lens,
and
I
saw,
I
just haotsfc^rwt feeling,
I
the knowledge that they had gone from that poin&oVer
to
\
one of the four buildings that are
in
a
row.
The
four small
N^houses,
Because,
I
recognized the pattern,
. .justy&art
of
Intuitive ly
I
said,
oh,
it's those four housesjptfer there.
But
n
t
i
n
...don't
I had the
feeling maybe
or
8 people had been in that room,
and
then
they had been taken away some time earlier than that.
#66:
How about the rest of the building.
Aside from the man that
you told me about before... do you have any opinions about
the rest
of the building?
#10.5:
No.
I
tell you
it was unoccupied.
I'd say,
if anything,
there might be
a small group of the people or occupants
billeted there or gun crew.
But,
I wasn't able to get into
any other places.
I
kept asking myself this big question,
0k.
Where are they?
I
only went to two places.
Soi l'd
have to presume there wasn't any real relevance to the rest
of the structure.
That's the only real relevance.
#66:
0k.
So you would say that the building
is now,
at this
time ,
unoccupied or
.......
#10.5:
No hostages.
#66:
.....no hostages
in this building.
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#10.5:
#66 ;
#10.5;
#66;
#10.5;
#66 ;
That's what
I'd say.
Ok.
If
it
is occupied,
again they'd
probably put them right back in that same room.
0k.
Anything else you want
to add?
I want to do this funny window.
0k.
This is the thing that you had at the end.
Yeah.
And,
I had it at the beginning too.
And,
then
it just popped back to me,
I think
it
is along the back
of the building,
or what
I would call the back of the
building,
and it was the funniest thing.
It was like
a
higher window there. ... .that had the appearance of having
been bagged off
I mean the actual window. .... .having
been bagged,
sandbagged off,
and sticking out through
this thing was this tube.
So for
10,
I'll do
a quick
little
...quick insert
......feeling of these sandbags,
I screwed that up,
didn't -I. ...... .feeling of these
sandbags. .... .and protruding out from this thing was this.....
you know what
a firehose nozzle looks like. ..... ..it's
like that.
It's fluted
at the end.
.
.
. .ok,
.
.
. .it splays
out at the end.... comes out
like this all around it.....
and this thing was sticking out.
I almost..,. I almost.....
I actually said to myself,
that's funny
as hell!
What the
hell somebody got the firehose nozzle painting out of the
window for?
You know.
What comes out
of that thing.
Then,
I
just said,
well,
you know,
that's probably just garbage.
To heck with it.
Just something weird.
Then,
I
went, on with
the rest of the session.
And,
then when
I was
......you
asked me if
I had anything more to add...
..and
I said
no
and the next thought that popped into my mind,
was
this damn thing again.
0k.
And,
it's -metallic;
it's all
the gestalt things of
a big ass of
a big firehose nozzle.
Big,
two man
- nozzle type thing,
only all
I could see
of.; it,
was
just the end of
it.
So,
I don't know if it's a sump pump or
could be an automatic weapon,
or something like that.
You
know.
Put in the window.
It was very,
very spontaneous.
Thing protruding from partially sandbag window shaped......
like a firehose nozzle.
0k.
That's all
I
got.
0k.
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