Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : GRA sa 8788R000400480001-6 #31: #313 #43.5: #31: #43.53 #31: #4325: #31: #43655 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA cote weeejust went right up past me, and it caught me by surprise. Okay? Had my tunnel feeling again, Hum...I chased the thing ..ecylinder, which I refer to as "Fat Bay" or chased him down this, ah, corridor with no people that was just about his size. Just a little bit bigger than it was square. Like, again, I had this automated movement feeling. I didn't get all the vibrations that I had before about lack of, you know, about critical safety thing or anything like that. Just following him down this darkened hallway into this lighted area, and I just sort of spent some time doing that. When I got there, to where it was going, I did not think that I had arrived in another rounded place, as in the preceding session, but, rather I had arrived in some sortof a..,.receiving place. A,a long low, not a long...sorry...sort of a cluttered, low ceilinged squarish place with boxes, and like scaffolding around on the side. Some of it evenhidden from view. PAUSE Anyway, I still had this feeling of aerial floating movement, and, that, and, like it made a dog leg or something, and, then it was finally lowered down here in the room in the fore- ground. An' the...to...there are other things that I wanted to talk about too, that we've already gone past in our haste for efficiency here. You want to sit up here? No. That's okay. I'11 sit like this. Umm.» the next thing I has was...ol' "Fat Boy" was on some sort of a dolly with heavy, heavy metallic casters on it, and..sthat's about the size ratio there. Okay? That's pretty close to the size ratio of..of man to...man to cylinder thing. Um hum (affirmative) Anyway, and then he..ewheeled out, pushed out, okay. That's three. Following three was this....-ealmost as though there was this never ending series of corridors, and everything. All I could do was hold on to the bomb, and just, you know, stay with it. It was like 1 went down this endless maze, and then suddenly, I could not tell through the maze all of the maze, I couldn't tell if I was all indoors or OUtdOOLPS..eoee Um hum (affirmative ) weeeo0r anything. It was really...very peculiar. Like almost I was moving in between buildings. Yeah. iio B88R000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA #31: $43.53 #31: #43.5: #31: $43.53 #31: #435: #31: $43.53 #31: #435: Wiliie000400480001-6 And, then...there was this overhanging metallic thing. Okay? And, I, I couldn't .«eby this time, I didn't know what the heck was happening, and old, uh..»ethe position that happened here was...this box thing...this is "El Bombo," here...on, ah, some sort of a platform. This is an end view, now. Okay? ‘cause the guy pushed it along, and then suddenly it was stopped in under this overhanging metallic....see- Um hum (affirmative). That's the thing that you referred to as the clam shell? Yeah. That's just about to happen. Overhanging, metallic..... I couldn't see anything o'...1 didn't even....'scuse me, I lost my....mike here. A.. really, at this point in time, I was pretty confused. I didn't... was afraid to look around for fear that I'd lose my focus and go somewhere else, and look back at it. Overhanging metallic...this is, ah, "Fat Boy,"..ethis is sketch four. "Fat Boy" is elevated up slightly, and the next thing I saw was the clam shell thing coming down in under it, and it going up, and being Hid.veess Like almost scooped up by the clam shell was the feeling 1 Hadaveseeee Um hum (affirmative) .»»e-you know, what the heck, if they were putting it ona conveyor be...at that time, I did not know what was going on. I thought it might be some sort of a loading thing for some special conveyor belt, scoop it up in a clam shell, and...-. put it somewhere. Okay. And, my only other comment is this 4s still the indoor-outdoor feeling. After all of that..sceres Um hum (affirmative) weeeemovement it was still.....I was still very, very puzzled about this indoor-outdoor type. Okay? These are the clam shells, and they open up...the bomb is raised up...scooped up and taken up into this... Okay. .eeewhat, at that time, I thought was the loading. Then what did you have me do? Then, you had me follow, follow it. Yeah. L was still following it. Okay, and I was in the darkened...- What I asked you next, 1 asked you when did, ah, what happens, ah, when the clam shell Qpenss.-csree Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-ROPSB°00782 §00400480001-6
| Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : #31: #435 #31: #435 #31: #435 #31: #43.5 #31: #4345 #31: #4325 #31: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA pe*OR788R000400480001-6 Right. o- next? Okay. So, I put myself up inside, and...I just...le-, you know, hanging around in this dark place, I couldn't, I couldn't, I wasn't seeing anything. I wasn't perceiving anything. I had the feeling of longness only, that it was long and narrow, and I was sitting there saying, okay, wait a minute, now. The tasking is, "what happens when the clam shell's open." So, I've got to stay here. I'm sort of - looking around trying to figure out where the bomb. was going, you know. If it was on a conveyor or not, and all of a sudden, "bam" in under me there was open daylignt....this big round thing fell out past. me, and in under me, like miles below was this landscape, this classic aerial shot. Thirty-five thousand feetitype Of ....e- Um hum (affirmative) .eeewhat the earth looks like, and,of course, y~ I have no features from that shot. Hum. eee Just simply this...an'. it was really a "rush," too. Some sort of thing like that. PAUSE .seefalling into free space is all I ‘can say. And... «you know...down behind me was... Um hum (affirmative) ..eway-y-y down there, all sorts of a design of a background. I knew definitely that I was up in the air. Umese And, this is all darkness, all around here. Owr(phonetic) ah, it's like...watching it fall out a window, was what it was like. Okay? Um hum (affirmative) Obviously, bomb bay doors, okay. Six. «before you asked me to like follow it down, I had already tried to get down with it, and, and,you know, I..ethis thing was falling away into free space, and I was trying to catch up to it, and 1 was having thoughts.....«fleeting thoughts of being with it, 400480001-6
| f ( Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : : . 1c Bh 000400480001-6 #31: #313 #43 05+ #31: #43.5: #31: #31: HAS: #31: #43453 #31: #4325: #31: #43.5% #31: #43253 Approved For Release 2000/08% weeeand the...the next thing..-from a distance...you know, it was the classic idea of this bomb slowly coming down, pointing down, falling through the air with trajectory in under the airplane, airplane disappearing...and, like, I never saw an impact...at this point in time, it was like "whewww" the bomb disappears off the screen, and then the next thing...was like this big cauliflower thing...a long stemmed cauliflower.... PAUSE Ah, it's ..it's somewhere on the earth, you know, very vague terrain features around it that point in the session I had not yet identified, OP.scerees Um hum (affirmative) ».eyou know, I couldn't identify. So, on sk-sketch six, I'm going to draw ina composite, because later on I looked at the area. Sure. Okay? PAUSE Okay. This is...these are like...this is like a long valley... long narrow valley, at the end of which the bomb goes off in...is the big...like a bulbous end of the valley. Okay? I can draw you a little insert up here. Okay? And, like exp-these are moun-hills, hills come around like this, and this tapers down. That's the idea I'm trying to Say.ceese Um hum (affirmative) weeeeand it tapers down at one end, and the bomb goes off at the o-at theopposite...the big thick end of it, and this is Um hum (affirmative) ...ethis is...this mountain here. Okay. Okay. Is that the one you went to.ee-e. That's this one. e. compare thessee. 88R000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RO# #31: #435: #31: #4325: #31: #435: #31: #43253 #31: #43.5: #31: #43.5:3 #31: #4325: #31: Approved For Release 2000/08/0 $82.000400480001-6 Yeah. That's the one I went to later on in the session. Um hum (affirmative) Okay. These are the low hills. Okay. All right. So, that's about a composite of that thing. All right. That's six. Seven. Where was this tower that you were talking about? I think...for some reason, you know, I...during the preceding session, I hadn't really been able to get to what I thought was really in the middle...I can always see it from a distance, but I couldn't get right in to where it happened. So, I went back...I tried, very consciously to say, okay, now, let's go back before the bomb goes off. So, there's nothing to be afraid of, you know. Go back in time before bomb goes off. Now, go down to where bomb lands, and let's see what it looks like down there, and the only thing I could determine was that there was some high metal scaffolding type tower, ANsece At first, I thought it was the crane from the preceding session, but, it seemed to stand. straight upright, and have something on the top of it as though it was a little fire, like a fire tower...in the woods. Um hum, um hum (affirmative) Same, same construction. Where the ranger sits? Ranger tower, right. Yeah. Sure. Okay. And it...l felt that it was it...ground zero, and there was this other clutter, well, as a matter of fact, I'll do that there. I can put that here, on this one. Is, ah, tower, and other clutter of darkness...dark splotches around it, as though there were other things there, at ground zero, but I could not define them. Okay? 1, I didn't want to be there, man, that's all there was to it. Okay. Okay. Okay. And, I had...1'1l go on with this, I think I know what you're going to ask now. I had the feeling it was an air burst. It wws above the valley floor. Something happened when the....okay...«.1 went back over it. I replayed that thing about five times in my mind, and something happened that almost, almost...it looked as though this down blast of rocket fain 00400480001-6
#31: #43253 #31: #43253 #31: #4353 #31: #4365: #31: #43653 #31: #4353 #31: #43258 #31: #43453 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : .«thrust was going "boosh" down, and bouncing off of the ground, and that was all I could get. I was like....at detonation... this thick...conical shape down rushing. Okay? Like this. Um hum (affirmative ) "boof" and then the thing, in second, phase two, the thing became this...swirling...this is phase one... Um hum (affirmative) .seand this is phase two. It just ...because the typical gwirling..mean, angry, ugly dust cloud of a...you know...of a "A" bomb or a "H" bomb type explosion. Um hum (affirmative) Okay. Det....detonation was about 1500 feet... 'ns(phonetic) above the ground. Like a rock, ah, I'll write like a rocket thrust. . Okay? Okay. Then the other, you know, I'm not sure if you have to do any drawings O©..... Well, I can draw that in phase two. Well, that's all right ‘cause the thing was, I asked you then where the airplane landed, okay, and that was very interesting that, ah, you weren't sure, the area was different. Climate different or greener something like that, and, but then you felt that there was a building where the round bumps were. Yeah. That was very spontaneous. It was like..... Was that this... Is that this? That's this. The one in sketch one. I felt that that was weeee It loaked like the one in sketch one. Like I was blitzing by it at about one hundred thirty miles an hour. You know. Uh huh (affirmative) Just after touching down. SOceeese 16 #x000400480001-6
#31: #43..53 #31: $43.53 #31: #43653 #31: #4353 #31: #435: #31: #4365 #31: #435: #31: #4353 #31: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : $-0788R000400480001-6 And, this thing went "whoosh" past Me ON aeeee Okay. So, best guess is the plane returned to wherever that area there WaSessece Right. weeeeis what you're saying. And, that area there..-«- If you: were to put me on the ru- put. yourself on the runway, and look at the building off your right shoulder, then behind it there's mountains, there's mountains off in the horizon, but, you know, it's nondescript. Okay. Ummm. I don't have anything else. I think you have to draW....- I don't...you know...the time thing at the end...-+- Yeah. weethat scale...I don't...you know.e».if you want to you can draw that...but, I do...I think you explained that very well on the tape. Okay. Okay? There are two things. I'll make a composite...one more sketch. Okay. Early in the very session when I said there's this trough thing, okay, I was talking about this trough that had stuff in it, and people could work at it. Um hum (affirmative) It wag...this type of a feeling here, okay, you could see the sides of it, and it was jam packed....it was...-.it was jam packed with...-ah, and L know that it doesn't «believe Me..s- I'm the first one to know that this is not of the same proportions of the other one....1 don't know why....but this was my first imagery. Was this long, skinnier trough, jam packed with something that had.....it was dark and, it was solid and flat 8 400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07, #31: 443.5% #31: #435: #31: #4353 #313 #43.5: #31: #43.5: #31: #435: 1: : ato Mm 88R000400480001-6 on one end, but the other side of it...the edges of it had these lines in it, that's one thing that I saw, and, miscella- weeeethe whole thing was packed with miscellaneous hardware. Like it was being contained in this trough, and another matching set would be dropped down over top of it, and, they had the one half of the trough off so that they could work along that. Do things in it. Qkay. Make adjustments, you know, and this thing was like sitting up: on some kind of a, a bench that raised it up to be about -waist level. Okay, and it was just filled with all sorts of round....and square...you know. There were squares in there, but, there were rounds on top of them. Just cluttered, all the way. That type of thing. Qkay. Cluttered. Filled with equipment. Okay? This was at the very be...open trough. Okay. That's the first part. And the other part, down here, was...before...this is one thing that T left out when I went through the sequence. When this thing came....was moved into this place that was like the shipping and receiving place...«. Um hum (affirmative) ...for a while I saw it...before it went on this dolly with the guy pushing it. I saw it with the nose open and with the tail open. Okay? Okay. And, it was sitting on some sort of a platform or something like that.... Like it was hinged, and then...like this... Okay? Hinge point...- Um hum (affirmative) .eeehinge point, one front and back, and that people were sticking their hands in...the front, and could stick their hands in the back, but I didn't see that happen. To do things. You know. To make adjustments and fFiddle....fiddle in there. Okay? , Okay » 18
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