~ «=~ — Approved For Release 2000/08/08 2 s RE Ds-co7eero01900420009-4 IAG PA~F-SD 8 November 1983 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary HU-1050/8313/01 (U) 1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN ) On 260900 October 1983, source #01 was interviewed by #66 concerning activities within a building unidentified to source. The 8313 sponsor had provided copies of photographs of the building and the surrounding area, an EEI list, and an oral briefing of the operational situation. 2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was provided with a sealed envelope containing a selected photograph of the building. He was asked to focus his efforts on describing the target building. He was not provided with any other information pertaining to the site. All other information was withheld from source for use as feedback and cuing for subsequent interviews. 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a narrative description of the drawing which source provided (see Incl 1). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for sponsor. This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached as an exhibit to the Agent Report was a copy of source's drawing (see Incl 2). dadbad. 0. Cll 2 Incl FREDERICK H ATWATER as CPI, MI OPS/TNG Officer CLASSIFIED BY: CDR, INSCOM DECL: OADR SOF REEEA SABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS Approved For Release 2000S ERE oeeRoot900420008-4 A en. :
x 4 * #66: #01: #663 #01: #663 #O1; #66: #Ol: #663 #O1: #66; #O1: #663 #01: #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/08: rar 96-00788R001900420003-4 TRANSCRIPT HU-1050/8313/01 This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 26 October 1983. Relax and concentrate now. Relax, relax, relax. Relax and focus your attention solely and completely on the target building. And as you do describe the area to me. ...-.5ee very low roof, ..a house flat, ..rectangular. See a significant difference in weatheLl,...ceeeee »»- a lot of windows,...... ina City. ...ee0e Getting a zig-zag form to the front edge, or upper edge of the building.  ..... Overwhelming a...foreign, a..spanish type feeling. What's the raw data that you have on that? Ah...-L1 don't know, it's like a..I sense proximity of a....jungle or a...water jungle swamp. Okay teil me-- -~-Hills. Tell me about this flat roof, low building. Describe it to me. cee eee See a...people going, coming ah..military, but not military ah.. Break that out. Ah..military people, civilian clothes, ah....ah... just a minute, it's confusing. I will wait. ...-Feel like a...strong impression of a...spy type people, ah..people on missions in the military, espionage. Okay. You need to break out the raw data and don't tell me your conclusions. Describe the raw data. People meeting other people, exchanging data, materials. That's very good. That's the kind of descriptions I want. Now these people that are arrive at this low flat building with many windows. I want you go lAzRDP96-00788R001900420003-4
-- Approved For Release 2000/08/ 7 "7 #01: #663 #O1:; #66: #01; #66; #O13 #663 #O1; #66: #01; #663 #O1: #66: #O1: #66: #OL; Approved For Release 2000/ P96-00788R001900420003-4 along with them and describe how you get into this building,describe the surroundings, where they sit and talk and so forth. I will wait. see e ewe n ween eee Have to a....1 dontt know--I get a..impression of a front, ..front type of operation. Raw data. Ah...building within a building or a section of the building is .. fronting for the other section. See many people coming, going through the...a..business part ..double operations. ....You got to be taken in or met. Describe specifics. See a ..-people going in for appointments, ah...special phone number or special person comes out, ..goes through second door with visitor,.. client, client better word. Okay. Follow. cece eee MMMM, debriefing rooms, sound proofing. Break that out. Ah..rooms, sound proofed, black, just table, chairs, protected meeting. Describe "protected." Ah...secret meeting, ah....agents meeting, spies, sales people, people selling things, papers. Okay, try to, it's critical that we know about the physical area. Try to maintain your focus of perception on the physical there. Ah.. This room is sound proof, describe. sees um, i2 feet wide, ...14, 18 feet long, ..standard roof height, sound proof, ceiling and walls. Describe method of sound proof. AN. sccaeee see a... Farraday cage, ah..behind a...paneling. Paneling has got foam or something, thick fiber of some kind... backing it. Ah.. ff DP96-00788R001900420003-4
Approved For Release 2000/08 #01: #66: #01: #66: #O1:3 #663 #OL: #66: #01: #66: #O1: #663 #01; sx DP96-00788R001900420003-4 Wait, wait. we eeeeees OKay....ah... just almost touched somebody there, I......think I could touch the agent. Okay, what's the general discussions on these Saturday mornings? What is the subject of these discussions, Saturday morning meetings? Mmmm, just a minute, I want to get in his head for a second. wea evccseessnGe 8 a..S€G a...See@ lots..ah..selling information on troop movements, equipment, supplies, data, Russian,...South American involvement,....ah, mostly supply movements, person selling information,..ah, government, US government buying, but not directly, indirectly. .eeeSee much negotiation, talk. Ah...Just seeing lots of words with M's, South American words with M's, place names, ah..flashes, ah...feeling I'm in a neutral zone of some kind, a neutral zone of some kind. I'm not sure now, I'm losing it. All right. ..-Feel like something being set up, some key operation is being set up. Okay. The information's coming in and plans are being keyed to information flow,...by agent on the ground. Rather than the narrow focus of this one singular agent, let's look at the total plan, what is the total plan? veseesveceeePart of something, ah...might be overlay, see a ship involved, big ship..... see um some kind of a...mini force movement, mini invasion or force movement,...interdictory type move, it's involvement with large ship. And what is the goal of this "mini" movement? .-Steal..something,..steal some military equipment. Ah..flashback, I'm getting flashes to another operation, which is the old tank operation. This doesn't involve that? I know, I thought of that. It's giving me a lot of overlay though now, I hesitate to answer now. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : GIA-RBR9§-00788R001900420003-4
Ks #663 #01; #66: #01: #66: #01: #663 #01: #663 #01: #66: #O1: #663 #O1: #66: #O1: Approved For Release 2000/08) | it DP96-00788R001900420003-4 Okay, let's go back to this building. Okay. Now you've described a low building with many windows and then interior of this building, you said that this building is a, there's something that's double about this building. You go into it for one thing, but then you can do something else in there. You described some sort of security system with that situation. All right, I want you now to break into the building successfully into those back rooms and tell me how you do that. see e ewer eee Ah....gain access to the back rooms surreptitously,.. can be done with a,..with a...disabling the power and telephones, then go in through your back door. ..Best way is to not do so physically, just go through the roof with a listening device, ...actually drill the roof. Say again, actually what? Drill the roof. Drill? Drill the roof. There's a ...it's vulnerable. Non-surreptitous entry would be best accomplished with a ..a...direct assault type. Can you tell more about putting this bugging device in the roof? Drill the roof over the meeting room, not drill all the way through, but almost. Plant device directly over the roof, could..could be done, sealed. OK. Is the roof under surveillance by the cameras? No, I don't see any surveillance cameras. Okay. I don't see any on roof. But it's..exterior walis are surveilled. OK. I have no other question here. Okay. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 .. CIA-RDP96-00788R001900420003-4
Approved For Release 2006 oe som an P96-00788R001900420003-4 #66: Now, go up above the building,about 100 feet above the building and if you look just to the perimeter, the outside of the building, within about 20 feet all the way around the building, there's something there that should be very interesting to see on the ground. #O1: On the ground or under the ground? #66: On. #01; I don't see anything. #66: Okay, now within a 100 feet of the building, the perimeter of the building within a 100 feet. #O1: .e.eSee some kind of ....1 don't know, just a line, an impression of a line. #66: Okay. #01: Very faint. wescveeee It doesn't go all the way around, it just goes to the sides and the back. #66: OK, describe the, you know, the sides of the building, the front, back, the left and the right sides. Describe the area there, the terrain, what is to the left and the right and the front and the back? #O1: ..--Um get a..front I get a.. like a ..almost a ramp effect, .... left and right and in the rear I get water or something like it. It falls away. see. This is starting to break up an awful lot. #66: I understand, it's late. #OL: = nw we Thought a..another way to gain entry surreptitously ...would be to, it would like spy... I would gain access to room. #66; Okay. #01: I'm losing this (#66). #66: I have no further questions. Take a minute to recall the view you had and the way you get into the building, because I'll ask you to draw in detail the floor plan of the building in dollhouse perspective. HOL2 «—=§-_-_—_— nw www ccc cc cere rere rons nces Okay #66: Okay, fine. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RRP36-00788R001900420003-4
#01: #663 #UO1: #66: #01: #66; #Ol: #66: #01; Approved For Release 2000/08/08 Cote -RDP96-00788R001900420003-4 DRAWING EXPLANATION HU-1050/8313/01 Okay my drawing is dollhouse view of this layout as I interpret it to be. And I've indicated the cover entrance or foyer type area and it's got two doors going to other areas, but it's also got a long hallway. And at the end of the hallway is this security door. Just inside the security door is a larger office, but a small off to the side next to a vault. On the right is like a large conference or interrogation room and a small interrogation room. The only one I'm sure of is the entry area, which is the front wall of the building, and the other four walls I'm not sure about or the space around this area inside the building, it seems to be protected from the exterior walls. There's like a box inside a box effect in the interrogation rooms, the two interrogation rooms. And that's essentially it. Okay, show me on the diagram the surveillance Cameras and alarm devices that you talked about. Okay, I'll put in red asterisk, the cameras. There's one on the back wall somewhere. Those are the cameras. And the actual monitor screens, I'll make little red squares, okay, a "G" for guard. Okay, and did you say there was a guard on the inside as well, behind the security door? Yeah, but only during days, you know, during the operational hours and he's right next to the screen inside. And the vault's got a--I'll put ina "V" for a volumetric device, which senses vibration or whatever. And aside from that, there's, a...I'll put in "A's" for ADT alarm systems. There's one on the inner door and the outer door and all the windows. Okay. And that's essentially it. That's the best I can do right now. Okay. Anything else you want to add? No. Oh, there's one other thing I would add. If I was going, if I wanted the layout of this place and I wanted to gain entry, I'd find something these Pale 2.25 -00788R001900420003-4  &
Approved For Release 2000/08/03 #663 #O1: #66: #O1: #66: #O1: 66: ine. *°‘Kpproved For Release 2000/08/98 6-U0788R001900420003-4 people are interested in and sell it to them. I'd play spy on ‘em and they would take me right on in there and give me a tour. That would the most, the easiest and most surreptiously way of doing it, in my opinion. Other than that, I think, a...you know, engineering some kind of hit on the place would be the second, but that's not a surreptious way of gaining entry, that's just a way--- So, what you're suggesting is that if they can convince them somehow to take somebody into that building-- Oh, absolutely And there's so, from what 1 perceive the interest area to be, it's so easy to be duped. I mean it's just incredibly easy to be duped in that area, cause it has something to do with material supply, guns, equipment movement in support of the revolution going on down south. And, a...this is a neutral area, but it's easily accessible to those areas, you know, like Honduras and Salvador and whatnot. Okay, that's what you perceive that you see some sort of Spanish something. Oh, absolutely, this is South America and it's Spanish and it's got to do with San Salvador and everything. But it's like, this like some kind of a..a free fire zone or a safe zone of some kind. I don't where specifically but it's a lot of jungle and rolling hills and water, a lot of water, and a city. Okay. That's all I got. PP96-00788R001900420003-4