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INTERVIEW
This will be a CENTER LANE interview with source #01.
The
time
is 0900 hours,
12 January
1983.
Focusing your attention now on
8 December
1982,
at
There
is
a building which is perceptible.
Focus now and
describe the area within which you know as the old section of
the building on
8 December
1982.
Someone sitting at
a table.. a bell shape and back against
a bookcase.,
long tables,
some kind of ledger ebooks.
Do you recognize this area?
Yes.
All right.
I'm interested
in
the area in the old section,
of large
hard back folders.
There's the folders.
Describe activity you now perceive.
..feel they're folding
out the sheets,
sheets
of paper foldinq
out
of the folders.
Describe your perspective
as you watch this happen.
Okay,
just
a minute
I'm watching
ah. .someone taking information
off
of cards.
They're writing
on these sheets.
Describe the person doing this.
..It's
ah,
appears to be
a woman,
middle aged,
wearing
a light
gray
coat,
smock type coat... It's
just
a box
in there,
many cards
in the box
in some kind of sequential order.
. .She's taking the
cards out and writing numbers and letters
on the sheets.
All right.
Now concentrate,
concentrate and focus,
move and
become one with this individual.
Move and become one.
Look down
at this folded out
sheet and describe
it
to me.
...It
s
a hierarchy of data,
something
to
do with tests
or.,
continuity
on something.
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Describe the format.
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It's double columns and they're all. .six digit numbers.
. .just
a minute.
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I will wait.
01:
They're
like
in
ah. .scalloped or tree designs.
There's specific
lengths
or measures and tests.. they branch,
. .keep getting
a picture
of spirals and splits with numbers.
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Describe your position of observation.
01:
Looking straight down
on the paper.
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From this position,
can you see the entire sheet?
01:
Yes,
it's got three folds.. Let me
just.. ah
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Waiting.
01:
Just
a minute.
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I will wait.
01:
...There's two double columns
in the left.
It's in the edge
of the
left
fold... Those are key numbers.. And then there's
a circle
in the
center
of the. .second fold on the third page.
And it's
a, it branches
and spirals
in numbers. .that change,
something to do with.. some
kind
of measurement.
But
I
don't know what
kind.
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All right.
Now listen to my guidance.
Listen to my guidance now as
you look down upon this folded out
page.
Focus
on the upper
left quarter of the format.
Focus,
observe and remember.
Now
working around to the right,
the upper right quadrant
of the
format.
Look,
observe and remember.
Working around to the
right
and down,
the lower right quadrant,
look,
observe and remember.
And now moving
on around the lower left quadrant,
look,
observe,
remember.
And now once again the whole thing,
the whole folded out
page,
look,
observe,
remember.
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Now before we move to another area of the building,
is there anything
else you'd like to tell me about this ledger and this lady's activity.
01:
Just
a minute.
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I will wait.
01:
....No,
not right now.
66:
All right.
Remember the page
later.
you observed and you
can draw
it for me
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Okay.
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Nov/,
relax and concentrate and free your mind of the perceptions
you've had.
Free your mind
nov/ and move to that area
of the
old section where you saw wall projections,
where you saw people
looking at wall projections.
Move to that area now and describe
the area to me.
01:
...It's like
ah,
it's
a machine that
' s projecting
a.. series of lines
on the wall from
some kind
of another machine.
. .It's
projecting things you can't see with your eyes.. only
can
see
it when it's projected. .slows things down so you can see them.
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Describe
this machine that
does this.
01:
Large,
box shaped,. uses ah... shoots something
in theend that
bounces around inside.
Some kind of measurement device.. that
ah.. measures time,
relationship
of time to something.
Time and
ah,
time and
ah,
I don't
know,
variances
in energy.
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All right.
Focusing
on this machine that does this.
In your mind
picture
it
in component parts.
Functional modules that maybe fit
together.
Describe these pieces to me.
01:
..There's the projector part that shoots
a beam,
that's
one part.
It's controlled beam.
The elements of
the beam can be changed,
very,
very narrow beam.
It's the same component,
is
a ah.. shield or
a holder.. that can be changed,
that can be made
up
of different
things.
And the third part
is, a...
a apparently
some kind of
holographic
or spectrographic type
of sensing device.. that
measures time
rate
or frequency
or something.
I
just keep seeing
a splatter
of particles across
..a color spectrum.
And then there's
a projection part that
shows. .electronically
on
a projection what
this
is.
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All
right.
You said before there
were people that came and looked at
this projection?
01:
yes.
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Have you got perception now.?
01:
Yes,
I
see projection^
is slowed down so they
can
recall
it,
like
frame
by frame and this black box machine, in parts, does this
check
or test very rapidly and then they
a.. the film of this
is
recalled by frame.
And they look for. .a unique
a. .variances
in
the patterns. .differences in.. a particles
or something.
66:
All right.
Focus yourself now on this projection.
Look at
it
with those
in the room and describe
it to me.
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PAUSE
Looks like
a.
.
.
Be careful
to describe exactly what you perceive and not
(mumble).
— I know
I
I will wait.
.
. .It's foggy.
.
Go ahead.
Cloud like projection*
ah.. very perceptive paths or lines all
overlining one another,
some curve,
some. .intersecting and
branching
out,
some dwindling out to nothing.
But some are
brighter than others,
as
if they're being used where
others aren't.
It's all
foggy or cloudy.
Never the same set
of patterns per
frame.
...Like looking very deeply into the.
. .machanics of
a.. some tiny atomic particle.
It's always moving.
...I
don't
know
Very good.
..I
don't
know.
Surprising technology,
very high tech.
...It's
like they're carving up atoms.
Splattering them into
a picture...
..Trying
to map the mechanics of
it
or the
a,
a
yea,
what makes
it work.
All you can get
is the reflection of the energy
discharges,
when they.. when they break down,
..when they come apart
All right.
I have no further questions for you.
But
I would like
to allow you
a few mements to explore and comment
on your
own.
Do this now.
Trying to look for
a reason,
for doing
this.
Just
a minute.
I will wait.
PAUSE
They're apparently varying some type
of beam projection and then
trying to measure
the. ..the
resultant aberration or change in the.,
the frequency of movement
of
a atom,
I
keep getting
a picture
of
an
atom with
a revolving things,
electrons,
protons and whatnot.
And
I see
it,
it's frequency being altered and
I
see the things
flying apart and they're measuring the,
that point
of breakdown
or whatnot.
And.. the
a.. required energy
in the beam that cause
the aberration.
That's all
I
get.
All right,
fine.
Very good.
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01:
Page #1
is the foldout
logger,
folder.
It's
in three parts and
I
depicted what's two columns
on the left hand side.
And these
columns
run all the way to the bottom of the page,
but they're
not necessarily filled
in all the way
down.
But they're filled
in with
6 digit numbers.
There's like
a title line at the top
that 'a very short.
And then there's
an
ID line that's got four
or five different spaces
in
it,
underneath that.
That's
on the
upper left hand side and it runs as far as it has to across the
sheet.
There's
a very squared off blocked diagram with
a lot
of
intersecting
"Ys"
and angles and some dotted lines.
And what
appears
to always be five sided figures,
when they
do create
a figure.
And the line
chart
is always different from folder to
folder.
And
at each intersection are stacked digits,
of two
lines of six digits each.
And the first
is always higher than
second and the second
is not too far off fiom the first number.
But they are always different
for each intersection.
And this
is connected
in some way
to the projections.
I think the
differences are reflecting time and energy differences.
‘And
it has
something
to
do with densities or these logs reflect densities
in some way.
All these logs are
kept from cards that are
in
some kind
of order and delivered to these logging clerks
or whatever,
in
a box and they're always
in some kind of an order.
And
they're either keeping track of or annotating these log
cards
in
a way that will cause them to be used for updating some-
thing else.
I'm talking around an axle
here,
and
I'm not really
sure
I
know
what
I mean.
But the logs are connected to the cards
and the cards are
IBM size.
They
don't appear to be IBM cards,
but they look like
it.
They're about the same size.
01:
Page #2
is
a picture of what
I percieve to be the presentation
on the wall.
And these presentations are still life,
you
know,
they're not moving.
Thby're given
a frame
at a time.
They're
always different.
Some
of the lines are very ghost
like,
as
if they're after thoughts.
And other lines are very illuminated
and superimposed
or underimposed over the ghostlike,
er under
the ghostlike images.
And it's all like in
a fog.
And there
seems
always be
a huge black
dot,
kind of fuzzy,
that's
right
in the center
of each of the frames.
And
I
get the feeling
like this
is an electronic presentation
of something,
like the
mechanics of something that's going
on.
It's captured in like
a hundred frames and then you go back and look
at each individual
frame,
because whatever happens
is so rapid that you know it
can't
be looked at
any
other way.
And
it can't be seen with
human eye,
so
it has to be done with machines.
And that
it has
something to
do with the projection of different beams
or fequencies
through different materials.
And that's all.
66:
Okay,
fine.
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On
12 January
1983,
Source
CL -01
was interviewed concerning
prev
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(CL-973/8210/01,
conducted
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