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TRANSCRIPT
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION
CCC84
This will be
a remote viewing session for 1800 hours,
24 April
1980.
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and focus your
attention
on Area India.
On building
India.
Focus
your attention.
Relax and concentrate.
Move now
and explore building
India.
PAUSE
And describe what you find to me,
PAUSE
I got
.
.
,
two
.
,
.
two people.
,
outside
.
.
.
sitting against trees.
Opposite side of the building.
In what role are these people?
Guards
.
.
Guards
.
.
.
Are they armed?
Yes.
Two
,
.
Two
.
.
large
.
.
large
(not audible).
They are on opposite sides.
They can't see each other.
Okay.
PAUSE
What looks like
.
.
.
This
is weird.
But, ...
I see
a bunch of bicycles.
.
,
in the back of house.
Building isn't as big as
it
looks;
its got
a
lot of
tropical overhang.
Shades
windows.
Explore the interior of the building searching for
hostages.
I'm trying to find
(not audible).
Entrance.
Entrance,
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Damn.
This room sure is familiar.
PAUSE
Carpet on the floor
- cream and dark browns and very dark
reds.
Fancy.
PAUSE
Okay.
PAUSE
There's
.
.
.
There's two militants
.
.
.
in this
.
.
living room,
I guess.
Living
room.
PAUSE
Damn!
PAUSE
I ...
I
Someone.
.
.
Someone. ....
Someone peeking into this
room.
I can see the eye.
One eye.
Must be one of ours.
Blue eye.
Blue.
Blue.
Blue eye.
Someone.
,
.
Someone
with red.
,
red
.
,
red hair.
.
PAUSE
.
.
on the left.
PAUSE
Search the building for hostages.
I was moving around the rooms.
Tell me about
it.
There was
.
.
.
.
cement porch like thing covered,
overhead.
Went down that
.
,
looked
in window.
I was aware of someone
.
,
two or three people down towards the
»
.
the bottom of
the
E.
Asleep.
I was trying to figure out who they were.
Things are so peaceful
in here.
I can't figure why the two
guards are outside.
What makes you say peaceful?
Its quiet.
A couple people
.
.
.living room or club room.
Just sitting there with their
legs stretched out.
Slouched.
Down
in the seat.
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#7:
I
don't know.
PAUSE
#66:
Look around some more for hostages,
PAUSE
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#7:
One
.
,
One of the individuals.
.
.
in the wing towards
the bottom of the E.
Looks
.
.
older than
.
.
most
hostages
I've seen.
Looks very pale,
frail.
PAUSE
Darn.
This sure looks
like
.
.
,
Building F
or
E.
PAUSE
#66:
Recheck your outside position to insure you haven't moved.
PAUSE
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#7:
There's some
.
.
.
more.
. more militants.
.
.
across the
hall.
They're inside towards the pool.
They've got their
clothes
on.
I think they're asleep,
PAUSE
I
don't
know.
I keep seeing that damned eye.
Blue eye
peeking from behind fabric.
#66:
Explore
it.
Find out what
it
is.
#7:
Its an awareness.
.
,
I can't ...
I can't tell where its
coming from.
Its like somebody's watching me.
PAUSE
1 here's
a radio here.
Its
,
.
,
Its.
.
Somebody,
.
in that
room,
got headsets
on.
PAUSE
It seems to be two
.
.two hostages.
.
.
towards the bottom
of the
E.
I gather
.
.
.
one of them
is very important
to
them.
.
.
I
don't know
if
its political
or
.
.
I
don't know
Got
a sense of value to
him.
That's the pale, skinny one.
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There's a
.
,
.
big crowd nearby.
Near the wall.
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I.
.
sau/.
.
several.
.
,
people with
.
.
either sticks
or guns.
Hiding near the wall.
PAUSE
I
.
,
I think
I've lost control.
#66:
Report your perceptions.
#7:
I saw
.
.
I saw
.
.
.
PAUSE
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I was outside to check the guards.
.
.
around the building
again.
Became aware of
a crowd of people
in the shadows.
With sticks or guns.
They flickered out and
I started
getting flicker imagery of
,
.
looked like little turrets.
The kind you see on top of light tanks.
Little round with
sharp
.
.
.
tube.
.
heavy
machine gun.
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I
.
.
.
But to the inside
of the building.
.
.
is quiet.
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My impression
is that
.
.
people standing near the house are
concerned about students.
I
.
.
don't know
if that makes
sense.
I
.
.looked for
.
.
Americans.
.
Did not see any
other than the ones asleep.
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PAUSE
This seems.
.
This seems more like
a
.
a headquarters.
Hangout for militants.
.
more like
a.
.
(ADMIN NOTE;
0300 Hours
in
Iran.)
PAUSE
I
don't
know.
I
don't know.
PAUSE
Wandering around in here,
trying to figure out where
hostages would be.
And,
I got an
image
of
a
.
.
.a lot
of
.
,
a lot of
.
.
. people laying
.
.
with their feet
in the same direction.
There was
a cable
or
a chain
running along below their feet.
One
.
.
.
Another cable
running off the main cable to each individual there.
I thought
it was.
.must be overlay,
it was so weird,
I
tried
to shake
it.
But
.
.
.
the image persisted.
Must
have been
or
10 people lying
side by side.
Like
in
.
dormitory barracks like layout.
That could be
.
.
could
be
in this building,
but too many,.
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#66:
Tell me more about the activity outside.
#7:
Its
tv/o people sitting next to trees,
definitely awake.
I
feel
,
.
.
they would be shot.
.
if they went to sleep.
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The people
.
.
.
in the shadows were at the other side of
pool.
Like they're just sitting there watching.
I don't
...
I
don't know who they are.
Lot
of lights.
Over
there.
PAUSE
That's
.
.
That's beyond the cars.
.
to the right.
Right around thi3 building seems quiet.
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#66:
Tell me about these people
in the trees watching people.
PAUSE
#7:
I
.
.
They looked like Iranians.
A guy
.
.
A guy sitting
over here under the tree.
.1
don't think
is aware
of their presence.
They must be
,
.
.
or
20 of them.
Its awful hard to keep from trying to analyze.
I'm very
confused.
#66:
All right.
Fine.
Listen very carefully now.
I have no
further questions about this target;
however,
I would like
you
to explore the situation as you see
it without reporting
for
a few minutes.
Explore the situation
as ideep as you
can without reporting.
Do this now,
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and concentrate.
At this
time,
I'm going to turn the tape over.
After
this time,
I'd like you
to report what you have observed.
Simply
relax and concentrate.
TURN OVER TAPE
#7:
This has got to be one of my worst sessions.
I'm just
so damned confused.
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I
felt for
a moment like
I was about the size of
a
.
.
of
a bug.
And a great big heavy leaf landed right
on top
of me.
And
I
thought,
they're trying to shake this
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it got
worse*^
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looked~ttke--a~_^J'
jple of hundred.
.
.
Oh hell!
I saw
a
.
.
.
couple of
^hundred big apes attacking
in mass and they had tiny
9 inch
long rockets,
hundreds of them.
I've never
lost
.
.
•
lever
lost control like this.
.
before.
It was very vivid.
.Horrible,
like
a real bad dream.
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I was able shake.
.
shake away.
.
.
get rid
of
it.
Mostly.
PAUSE
I'm. apparently
.
,
.
trying to hard to fight overlay
or hullicinating.
That '8 fine.
Your only responsibility
is to report
what you perceive and you're doing that very
fine.
I
.
.
(not audible).
PAUSE
I see some of the Iranians hiding.
The shadows of the
trees are gone.
PAUSE
Big.
God,
they are ferocious.
Ferocious.
PAUSE
Big chest.
.
.
chest big
- gorillas.
Tearing the hell
out of everything.
I didn't understand you.
I say
was
a great big chest beating gorilla
leading these apes.
Okay.
I see where the big ones on the right go down.
God,
what
a dream!
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I
see.
.
.
people
in
.
.
in
.
white
running.
I should hear guns,
but
I
don't.
Furious,
physical,
fast force.
.
.
stealth.,
.
speed.
Where the hell they
are. ...
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now.
Just relax and concentrate.
Its time now for you to make any closing statements
before drawing the perceptions you've had.
PAUSE
Last half of my
.
.
.
session.
.
was weird and illogical.
My first half wa3
.
.
quite boring
- just couldn't make
any important headway.
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#7:
I
am too confused.
I had
.
.
.
anything.
#66:
All right.
Fine.
Let's draw the perceptions you've
had now.
Okay.
#7:
That may have been confusing talking about the bottom
of the
E and the back of the
E.
I normally at least
think
I have
a feeling for North East South and West.
But,
I didn't have it here.
I thought
I had the shape
of an
E.
.
for the direction.
. When
I
said that people
appeared to be in the bottom of the
E,
they were ...
down this
.
.
in this area here with their feet facing
toward the top of the
E.
I thought off
in this direction
to the left of the E was
a deep shadow.
I
thought maybe
a wall
or something.
But over
in this area here,
there
was
a lot of people clustered.
#66:
You
know,
that's good.
Write
on there.
.
because some
of this stuff might be just transmitted by the photos
or these pictures themselves.
So people
in trees
or
whatever.
That's the crowd that you spoke of?
#7:
Urn hm.
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There was a guard
in this position and a guard in this
position.
And each of them were at the base
of
.
.
base
of
a tree.
The dotted line representing the foilage and
small circle representing the trunk.
I thought
I came into
a large living room somewhere near
the top
of the E from the open end of the E.
#66:
Okay,
label that
as what you thought
(not audible).
PAUSE
Did you have any feeling for upstairs,
downstairs,
single
story when you were inside?
#7:
No,
I guess
I
thought it was all on one story.
It could
be because
I assumed that from looking at the photo.
I
just never thought to look.
I felt
like
•
.
the slab
building with thick flat tropical,
maybe agregate.
.
built
up agregate roof
Large room
- living or club,
I'm
not. sure.
There was
a couch over
in this vicinity with someone
on
it.
There
was someone over here.
A chair over here and they were
each just stretched out.
The room was much larger than
the size scale those chairs indicate.
I thought the
hallway was closer to the
.
»
I guess this
is the back
of the house,
closer to the back of the E.
And the rooms
were somehow off of that,
to the right.
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#7:
I never did figure out
.
.
Oh!
tinder here somewhere
was
a
.
.
overhang,
porch or something
on the open end
of the E.
I don't know whether this was
it,
the little
part
of the E or what,
but there was a overhang.
I
could see posts and
I went down there and
I
looked
in
a
window because
I was under
an overhang
of some kind.
Like
a covered patio.
Way over here,
I saw
.
.
.
.
.
a weird hord attack
in the directionobf that arrow.
Started spreading out
in all directions.
#66:
Okay,
so that
.
.
the weird hord that attacked,
was not
the same as the people that
.
.
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#7:
I
...
I was here watching,
you know,
trying to figure out
if this guy here was asleep
or
if he was alert.
And,
then
I saw this over ..here.
It startled the heck out
of me.
Beyond him.
It seemed like there was an open space.
I
don't know
if
there's an open space there or not but
I thought there was
an open space there and
it came right across
it and
it
just
hit off
In all directions.
Did you
ever see The Common Glory
.
.
a play at Williamsburg?
#66:
No,
I don't believe so.
#7:
Well,
after the
.
.
you're almost all the way through the
play and there's
a very boring sequence and all of a sudden
you are aware that there
is something amiss and something's
wrong because people are running down the aisles very quietly
with great stealth.
They are coming over the walls and running
down the horizontal aisles in front of you.
And all of
a
sudden you find you are
in an attack.
You
.
.
the audience
in the middle of attack.
And
I felt these kind of strange
things going on around me.
Just.
.
.
#66:
After having been somewhat quiet and bored,
something
was happening.
#7:
Its quiet.
.
I was very bored with this thing.
I was looking
around trying to find something going
on that's worthwhile
and all
of this starts happening around me.
I
don't know
what
it
is.
And when
I saw
it,
I obviously didn't know
what
it was.
Seeing apes and gorillas.
When
I first came
on the scene between this thing,
probably a swimming pool,
and the building,
there must have been
6 or
0 bicycles
lined up
,
.
.
#66:
Label them
(not audible).
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#66:
Okay now,
.
,
.
can
you
label these
.
.
These are the
people that were laying down with the chains on their
feet?
#7:
There were too many to be there.
This
is as though
you see them against
a nothing.
.
.
I saw them against
a nothing background.
Let me draw that.
#66:
Okay,
on
a separate drawing.
#7:
And
I
thought well,
gee,
you
know,
there couldn't be
that many people
in this building.
Maybe they could.
Maybe the building's bigger than
I think
it
is.
But
in the room
I was standing
in trying to get down
towards the bottom of the
E,
when
I saw those,
I thought
gee,
you
know,
they can't be
:
in this building.
There's
in this building.
There's just too many
of them.
And,
I
don't
know.
Ten,
fifteen.
.
.
maybe.
But. ....
#66:
Cause
I was concerned
in your drawing.
You had one place
where there were two.
.
.
these two hostages that were
important?
#7:
Yeah.
Urn hm.
#66:
That's these down here?
#7:
Yes.
Um hm.
#66:
Oh okay.
The two that you've drawn at the bottom of
.
.
#7:
I
don't think that they were in the same room,
but they
were down at the bottom and they're feet were towards me
and
I was up here.
I was
in the position of the
X
in the
club room or living room or whatever
it
is.
#66:
And then you had another impression
of some other
(not
audible).
.
.
#7:
By God there's something wrong when
I can't even draw
stick figures.
But there was
a lot
of
that's enough people but
I figure there was
or
15 of
them.
And there was
a chain or cable coming
in across
below their feet and there was something coming
in
between
- from that chain,
cable or chain,
to each
of
them.
And.
.
.
I
don't know
if
it was connected to them
or
if
it just went to their bed
or maybe
it was
a listen-
ing device.
I
don't know what the hell
it was.
#66:
And again,
you say this is
in some sort of plain background
You didn't have
a
,
.
.
\
#7:
It was just against a fog,
haze background.
I saw these
people against nothing.
And
I tried to figure where they
were.
And
it was mere of an awareness than
it was
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I remember they were lying
on their
back with their feet together and their hands are beside
their side.
At first
I thought they were
dead.
And then
I saw this strange arrangement
- chains or cables.
I
really felt
it was cable.
But
I
don't know for what
purpose.
#66 :
Okay
.
PAUSE
I'd like to ask you again about Drawing
1 here.
The
people in the shadows you referred to
it from time to time
as students.
Now
I want to make
it clear for the tape
recorder that these people
in the shadows
or what you may
have called students at one time,
you didn't mean ....
students that are holding the hostages
on the compound.
#7:
No.
I
felt.
. university students who currently attend
classes.
#66:
Okay,
#7:
I didn't think they had anything to do with the militants.
They may have been supportive of them.
Or they may have
been
in disagreement with them.
I don't know.
#66:
But they are not the people
.
.
.
#7:
I felt they were students.
After
I saw the scene over
here
- the gorilla's
or apes sweep across the place,
I looked back to see what the people
in the shadows were
doing and they were gone.
I
found myself wondering if
they were the same people or
if they split.
Because,
of the presence
of the attacking force of some kind.
And
I
don't
know.
I
don't know.
#66:
But you did say that the guards
.
.
under the trees were
not aware of the people
in the shadows.
#7:
Were not aware of the people
in the shadows.
The people
.
,
Oh,
and they appeared to have sticks
or guns
-
I could
see silhouettes,
like rifles
or long sticks.
I never identified them.
I
just felt they were probably
students.
#66:
Then you referred to them as
a crowd at one time near
a
wall or something?
#7:
Yeah.
There was a rather large crowd near one wall.
.
looking over or thorugh
.
.
and that was very short
lived.
I didn't get
to pursue
it.
I
don't know what
it was.
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#66:
Okay.
#7:
Oh,
I saw a funny turret like thing.
Did you want
a picture of that?
#66:
Yes.
#7:
Yes.
#66:
Okay,
we'll make that
a portion of
,
.
.
#7:
A portion of Number
2 or Number
3,
#66:
Let's switch.
We've got plenty
of paper here.
Let's
go on to
3.
Where was this funny turret thing?
#7:
I
saw that
or 4 of them
in
a row behind something.
I was looking at the people
in the shadows when
I saw
it.
And,
#66:
You recognize this as
a piece of equipment that you
would know?
#7:
Oh,
at one time when
I was into ground equipment identifying
I could have named several things that had this shape.
It was rather small.
Not like on
a tank. But
like might
be on some.
.
at one time was
on so many PCs.
It could
be a small,
like
a large caliber machine gun.
It could rotate.
But there was
a
.
.
.
you know,
there's
a.
.
.
I saw
it
on three or four of them.
.
in
a row.
And they were definitely not big cannon.
#66:
More like machine guns than
.
.
#7:
Yeah.
They had an emblem on the side of
it and
I thought
it was so ridiculous that
I
don't know what
it was because
I couldn't imagine tanks being there.
Or something would
have
in mass,
in numbers,
having turrets like that.
So,
I dropped it.
I
did not pursue
it.
#66:
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
#7:
No.
#66 :
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TGT
:
- ALPHA,
BRAVO,
CHARLIE,
- DELTA,
ECHO,
FOXTROT,
- GULF,
HOTEL ^TNDI^
- JULIET,
KILB ,
LIMA,
- MIKE,
XRAY, YANKEE
OR
NUMBER
- THRU
(SEE ATTACHED LISTING)
KEY QUESTIONS
:
ALPHA TGTS
:
WHICH HOSTAGE
IF ANY DID YOU OBSERVE
IN THE TARGET LOCAL?
NUMERIC TGTS :
WHICH FACILITY DID YOU FIND THE TARGET?
FOLLOW-ON QUESTIONS
:
(a)
DESCRIBE THE FACILITY WHERE THE TARGET WAS.
(b)
WERE THEIR OTHER HOSTAGES?
a