Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000500220002-2 #10.53 SG1A SG1A rows of tables and chairs. Whereas, you know, there could 'ave been a hundred people in there, but it was closed. There was only five orseven in there. Okay. Back to | Ee the docket. He's reading, he's, he's pointing to this book, and this book, which I looked at, resembled a, ah, it was resembled a notebook at first. A loose-leaf notebook with black covers on it. And, the pages were glossy. As though he had glossy fillers, and there was some feeling of handwritteness about it. But, then I said, wait a minute. Look at this thing again very closely, and I got back in to look at this book. The book maintained its original size of like 8% by 10 notebook size, but the pa-the pa-,the cover the binding on it had this crinkley orange, bub black crinkley orange peel type of covering, and I got this feeling that it was a bible. Maybe not even in a...well, of course, who knows what the foreign tongue is there... some sort of a bible in some sort of a tongue which is different in size than what the bibles are usually in the United States. They're usually like 6 inches by 8 inches at the most. But, this is a little bit bigger than that. It's notebook size. Black, orange peel type, groved co er on it, and the cover is when I looked at the second time became much smaller, thinner. Became thin, like about a texture of what a duotang folder, ah, maybe a little bit thicker than that, but certainly not the heavy cardboard of the. original notebook idea that I had. The pages | remain glossy, and vas spending his time, I forget what it was he said to me several times in there...that's on the tape, but was spending his time....pointing like down to the pages. Like this is where he got the word for his messages from where the, from the pages of this book. And, I remember it being generally considered to be a really quite disgusting situation that some commi spy like this would actually have the guts to use a bible as being his codecil (phonetic) whatever, and I remember him feeling sott'a like, well you smucks, what do you expect me to use, you know. You know, it was sort'a of like this superior feeling of ha, wasn't this a good one to pull over on you guys, you know. Anyway, I crawled across the pages of this thing. He's, very spontaneously I got the feeling that a passage regarding lamb and sheep, lambs and sheep in some sort of a quasi-bibical...or some sort of a...what do you call it... proverbial sense. was maybe being used as an example .or! something. I don't know, and that is located like on the bottom, upper part of the bottom half of the page. IT was crawling across the page on the left-hand side. He's OY Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000500220002-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000500220002-2 #10.53 pointing to it. I was trying to figure out what page it was, and I...1 felt like that it was like 213 or 214 was the page number. Okay. So, by this time....I'm familiar with codes and cyphers, particularly, you know, this type of thing, and I'm saying to myself, sort of sub-consciously saying to myself, well, this is really, this is too easy, you know. This went out when....you know, this type of a system went out ages ago, you know. You use a common book, and you use common page number and line number, and everybody knows what yourmessages are. Ah.....okay. SO, anyway, that was all I was getting was that, and I sort of felt that it was a little unrewarding, but, I mean, you know, if this is what he wanted, and you asked me if he was being truthful, and I thought he was being truthful about it. I didn't necessarily think that this was all of it thought. I sort of felt unfulfilled, I guess. SG1A. All right. So, while I was sitting around, | was - speaking at the docket. Like making his confession, or whatever, I guess I asked, well, maybe something I can do is find out where this book is. So, I said where is this book hidden, you know. Where, where did he hide this book, something. I popped to sketch four which is a familiar sketch, but my view of it was really twisted. I was around in the corner looking out at the back of the bookcase in sketch 4. And, this black, ah, bible, prophesy thing with big splotches of possible fancy paragraph lettering, which I failed to mention, but, okay, do later, is located on the wall end of a shelf in this open book shelf, which sits by this doorway, which I take it to be the same place as in the session last week. Ah, I had him writing, doing something at the desk, listening to earphones, and the only way I can describe identifying the shelf is relative to another feature in the room. In the foreground is a table top, and the plane of that table top , cuts across the shelf, cuts across the bookcase, and the shelf is about 8 to 12 inches above that plane of intersect. And, that's where he keep, kept...figure out where you're talking about. If I talk about while he's in the docket that is where he had kept the book. I'm talking about here, and now. This is presently is where he keeps the book, unless the book is already b---policed up or something. Okay. After that, 4, number 4, sketch 4, I sort of stiil was feeling a little unresolved, and, oh, let me go On..-. sketch 6 is a close-up of the book as I remember looking at it. Some sort of fancy dan printing with big bl--- printing inside of big blotches. Like first letters in each paragraph something is on it, and again itts the glossy Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000500220002-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000500220002-2 #10.5; pages, and everything. This is what he had before in the docket or on the podium...he was talking. Okay. After having gone through all this and being so preoccupied with this book, I felt that there must be something more. And, I think this was about at the end of the session, and you sort of gave me some free time to work. Right at the very end, very, very end of the session, before ah, before you terminated the session, I'm hovering around SG1A ae he's in the docket. I'm sort of throwing statements at him like, you gotta be kiddin’ me. This can't be all there is to it. I mean, this is.....I was incredulous, is what I was, I was incredulous in the sense that.....1 was just the...you want to call it..... the elementariness of the whole system thus far described and the archaicness of the whole system th described. SG1A I really was sort of appaied at a quy ~~ was just be doing that. And, as I'm sitting there sort of throwing these questionable, questioning vibs out watching him in the docket, he reaches down beside him, I can't tell if it's inside the or if it's on a little table just outside the docket, and he holds up....ethe thing that looks like a pocket calculator, something....he holds something up in his hand that is....-calculator like. It's black plastic and metallic, electronic, something funny like that, that's a little bit bigger than the palm of his hand, you know. He holds it up, and he's like showing it to the Magistrate like, this was only the first part, and then I had to do it with this, this is the second part, is this thing that I'm holding in my hand. And, that was just at the very end. That was when I was in the free-flow type situation. #66: Okay. Anything else you want to add? #10.5: Nope. That's about it. That's all I got. #66: Okay. 8 Lo Ces Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000500220002-2
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