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#10:
(Not
audible).
.
.
but
I
get confused when
I
look
at
it.
It really don't
seem to mean any-
thing.
#66:
That's
fine.
You don't have
to worry about
what
it
means.
That's
fine.
That's
good.
PAUSE
#10:
There were colors
(not
audible).
.
.
But,
I
can't seem to
get up
and stay there.
Just
keep
coming down.
#66:
Okay.
Describe.
.
.
your
images.
When you were
outside
.
PAUSE
#10:
(Not
audible).
.
.
round
(not
audible)
top.
Sense something like
a
(not audible)
toy or some-
thing,
I
don't
know.
I
don't seem to
get
anything;
its just blank.
#66:
Okay,
they have
left
the target
now.
They've
left the target
.
PAUSE
#10:
Very confusing.
PAUSE
#10:
That.
.
.
I was thinking of
a
.
.
.
circular.
.
of connections.
This was like
a cone of some
kind.
A fan-shaped cone.
(not
audible).
.
but
,
round shaped.
Diamond shape.
This
is
the one
that's confusing.
I
could not
identify
it with
anything.
It was just
there.
And then
I would
see other shapes which seemed
to be joining
in on
it.
It was
like
a rounded cube of
some
sort.
And
I
could only
see,
at one point
this
side or this
side.
I
couldn't
see back here.
The impression
was
like.
.
.
a tall.
.
.
that appeared to be
in
a.
.
.
at
first
I
got
a tear type form
.
.
.
You
know,
it
looked like
a
.
.
like
a
(not
audible).
.
.
.
effect.
(Not
audible).
This
came
in right
after
that.
.
.
Initially,
I
saw.
.
.
a
.
.
.
tall
trees.
You know trees.
.
.
all
of
a sudden.
Like
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flashing through the trees.
(Not
audible).
.
I.
.
.
Appear to be
dense.
Tree
level.
(Not
audible).
.
.
I
.
.
.
at
first
I
saw
a.
.
.
what
appeared to be headstones
in
a cemetery.
(Not
audible).
.
.
Then
I
thought,
well maybe
I'm
not morbid,
it may be
a hospital
room,
emergency
room,
hospital.
Near
a hospital,
near
a jail,
or
some place
(not
audible).
#66:
You got negative feelings
about
the
area then.
Are you saying then that
.
.
.
#10:
These didn't seem to be
in the same
area.
They
seemed to be different.
Disassociated with what
I ...
I
kind of
got
two.
.
.
completely
different
impressions
(not
audible).
.
In One,
it seemed less.
#66:
Okay.
#10:
It was there
for
a while.
I
saw
a
.
.
.
what
appeared to be
a skill or
a shape of
a skill.
#66:
Urn hm.
#10:
And then
I
left
the
area.
#66:
Okay.
#10:
And then
I
started picking up the colors.
Whites,
blues,
greens.
Even some.
.
.
a.
.
.
dark,
very
dark blue.
If you were looking down
in some deep
water
#66:
Um hm.
#10:
A tank or
a pool.
But
I
couldn't
see what
it
was
in.
I
could never get
the shape of
it.
I
tried looking back
at
it
and
I
just couldn't
.
.
When
I moved away from
it,
it
just kind of
dis-
appeared.
#66
:
Okay
#10:
I
couldn't
get
it
in something.
I
couldn't
get
it
in
a container.
It was just
there.
I
could
look
into
a very vivid color.
.
.
#66
:
Okay
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#10:
(Not
audible)
#66
:
Okay
#10:
The different
shapes kept
appearing.
Even
beyond the
impression was only
for
a second as
if
I were approaching to the end of
a very
bright
light somewhere coming from
a dark
area.
#66:
Urn
hm.
#10:
It was like going through
a tunnel.
And
I
saw
the
light
and
it kept
getting lighter and
lighter and then
it disappeared
(not
audible).
PAUSE
#10:
(Not
audible).
#66:
Okay.
#10:
Because these things were
(not
audible).
My
attention kept being diverted.
And then this
would come and go,
come and go,
come and
go.
And,
as we figured out,
I was getting
an
impres-
sion of several different things and
I
could never
really tie
it
in.
(Not audible)
Like that
cube
of some sort.
It
could have
an awning over
it.
This could be
a tiered building.
This could be
gravel.
I
couldn't.
.
.
all
I
could see was this
circle.
.
.
#66:
Urn
hm.
#10:
And,
generally,
they kept
a
.
.
.
the same things
kept coming back.
Very
strong
(not
audible).
#66
:
Okay
#10:
(Not
audible).
.
.
I
couldn't ...
it was
a
very
large part
of
a trail.
.
.
#66:
Okay.
#10:
My initial impression was that
I was
looking at
a,
you know,
a store window with
a
lot
of little
things.
I'm looking
at some paintings and maybe
those paintains
(not
audible)
the bright
vivid
colors.
.
.
.
But
it was kind of
(not
audible).
.
I
did see
colors.
I
had that
impression imprinted
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on my mind.
But
the other thing.
.
.
was
very busy
like.
.
.
(not
audible).
.
.
all
white.
Almost
like
a stepping back and start
all
over.
#66:
Urn hm.
#10:
The same thing kept coming back.
.
.
I
kept trying to get
a fix on
an overview.
But,
I
couldn't
do
it
.
I
could not
get
to the point
.
.
.
once
I
got.
.
.
when we were talking
to
go
up.
.
.
I
got way
up.
I mean
I was flying
around
a very tall building.
#66:
Yeah.
#10:
I was thinking,
I
can't
see up
here.
I
gotta
get back
in and then
I was back
in
(not
audible)
so
.
#66:
Okay.
#10:
I
could have been ...
I
couldn't.
.
.(not audible).
#66:
No.
That’s
fine.
That
is not part
of the
exercise.
To tie
it
to something to make sense
out of
it.
All you were supposed to
do
is report
your imagery
and you've done that very well.
#10:
I would think that
I
could,
you know,
perhaps
tie
it
in to something on my
own.
But.
.
.
it was
very.
.
.
a.
.
.
the colors were
so vivid though.
I was really amazed.
At how blue the blue was
and
the
greens.
#66:
Well,
you've done very good here.
Is there
anything else you want
to add?
#10:
I'm just concerned about
the cemetery.
I
don't
know anything about
a cemetery
(not
audible.
.
(not
audible).
.
.incarceration.
.
or something,
I
don't
know.
Well, its
not
exactly
a #29 sketch,
but.
.
.
I'm curious,
this thing really does puzzle me.
I
don’t think
I
could add any more to
it.
#66:
Okay,
then that'll
do
it.
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