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#10,5:
...to my right,
left,
top,
bottom,
front and back in
all directions around me.
#66:
Okay.
There were many pyramid shapes facing you when you
were
in the center of this sphere.
#10.5:
Right.
Pointing at me is more like
it.
Rather
than just
facing.
But,
they were pointing right at me.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Okay.
And,
that,
I
couldn't even begin
to count the number
of them.
I wasn't really concerned with
that,
but
I
felt that
the number of them was.... in
the area of 30 to
45.
Not
in
the area of
100,
and not in the area of only
10,
but somewhere
around like
the
30 to 45 bracket.
Whatever
it took to make
these faces.
Okay.
Now,
each one
of these pyramids was an
individual and separate entity,
separated by
about an inch
gap from its neighbor.
And,
all aspects
of
the,
all
r sides of
all pyramids in there,
because
of the geometry
of the sphere,
they were all totally parallel.
They didn't have one
goin'
like,
you know,
off from the parallel.
All sides were perfectly
paralley to one another so that they fit absolutely perfectly
together with about an inch gap
in between,
inch
to
an
inch
and
a half
gap.
And,
as
I
was
in the center looking out,
trying to find out what was out there beyond this redundancy
of pyramid form,
the only thing that
I
could find out that
was sort of different was that
in these gaps were filled with
wiring and circuitry.
There was wiring and circuitry actually
,
inside these one inch gaps between the pyramids. .. .a clutter
of fine little
low voltage, micro-voltage wiring,
and that
kind
of stuff.
Okay.
In sketch
one,
the sphere is abou t close
to this front
rotating disk apparatus.
To the rear,
to the right of the
sphere,
then,
the only other major appliance inside
this thing
that
I was able to discern as it was added,
as
i t was put
together
in front of me progressively completed,
was
a thing
which looked
like
a ribbed or
a stacked layer
of black metal
plates.
Ah,
having ribs around
i t
Like a radia- if you
can imagine
like
a radiator has ribs around
it... take the
radiator idea and compress it down so that there's only about
an,
ah,
ah,
a half an inch between ribbings,
and this thing
is square and black.
It was pretty
good size.
It seemed
to
be some sort
of
a partition.
It served
a function of
like
partitioning something or keeping two things apart or
two
sections of the bomb apart.
And,
the one,
the curious thing
about
it
is that,
and I'm nearly positive
of this,
I don't
know if I've screwed
the placement of this thing up
or not,
but the rear,
the rear side,
the right hand side of this black
ah,
metal partitioning ribbed partition here,
has
a likewise
square rib or protrusion that sticks out of
it which has
a
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#10.5:
...hole in
it.
I don't know if that hole
goes all the way
through the thing or
i f that hole goes into the interior
of this black thing or not.
Okay,
and that sort of now
left braining
i t afterwards,
I'm sort of looking at this
and saying,
well,
gee whi^, maybe that thing was supposed
to be
on the other side of this sphere,
but
I don't know.
I drew
it there because that's what
I
thought
and
around this sphere
okay,
between
the front piston and
this sphere,
between this sphere and this black metal
wafdrr type thing is all sorts
of electronic wiring,
miles
of wires,
hum,
pounds and pounds
of transistors and condensors
and,
ah,
small instruments other
little,
little tiny boxes...
the size
of my coffee cup and the size of this tape recorder
which,
ah,
really,
you
know,
they're just,
they're not important.
You know.
They've served
the function of
the bomb,
but,
I
mean you could spend
the rest of your
life trying to describe
them.
And,
it's just
a humble jumble clutter type thing.
#66:
You talked at
one point about
a fan
or
a cooling fan.
#10.5:
Aha
(affirmative).
That
is what
I
thought,
okay,
in the
session
I
remember saying that now.
That's what
I thought
that this black wafer
thing might be.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Okay.
I recall it.
I'm talking about. ..at that time I'm
talking about this black wafer thing, metal with the ribs,
and that might be what
I was talking about.
Okay.
Overall
proportions,
the sphere fits right inside the overall bomb
casing.
Umm. . .sphere's about four,
up
to four feet in
diameter,
three and
a half to four
feet in diameter,
and so
is the bomb.
It's about three and
a half
to four feet in
diameter,
and it's about the body
of the bomb,
the actual
body part
of
it
is about eight feet long.
That is sort of
discounting the nose cone which is an extra little bit,
which
has this counter-revolving disk thing in
it,
and discounting
anything that may
go
on the back.
Which
I
did not observe
in this
one.
I
didn't get that far through process.
#66:
Okay.
Fine.
#10.5:
Okay.
In sketch two
I have tried
to draw a cutaway
of the
interior void... the thinned
rod,
the metal busses,
and
the
facings
of these gray pyramids that come down
and face into
this
void.
That's sort of self-explanatory knowing that.
All right.
Later on in the session then towards
the end of
the session you asked if this was the bomb that
I
had,
or
the
device that
I had seen and worked against before,
and my
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#10.5:
...feelings throughout this whole thing was no,
this wasn't,
gee look at this,
I'm looking at something new being done
here.
They've just brought this part
in and now over the
next couple of months or so they're goin'
to spend their time
putting this one together.
I
never associated this,
sketch
one and sketch two with being what
I
had done before.
I
always associated that throughout the session with being a new
one.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
You
know.
The model A
or
the model A4,
bomb,
you
know.
Ah,
so you asked me,
you asked me
to go find,
I
guess some words
to the affect
of
go find that other bomb,
okay.
Well,
I
immediately had
a feeling that
I had relocated, but still to
some other part of the building,
I didn't really feel that
I
had gone anywhere far away.
I
felt that
I was still
essentially
in the same complex building,
but somewhere distant
ah,
within the... you know,
at the other end of the place.
The
other end of the complex type situation.
#66:
Okay.
What did you find there.
#10.5:
At which
I
immediately perceived this completed,
I mean a
device which appeared completed
in all aspects.
You know.
I was looking at the outside of the thing.
I was not looking
at... a partially assembled,
like
I had been doing earlier
in
the session... a total change of atmosphere.
I
looked up,
and
it appeared as though this bomb,
or whatever
it was,
was
completed,
had this big box on
its rear end,
polished steel
metal,
quarter inch or so,
oh,
by the way,
that's,
I wanted
to mention that.... the first one,
when
I was looking
at the
cutaway,
and
the half,
the half cylinder,
the
sheet metal
ribbing,
the sheet metal is used for the skin and casing of
this thing
sheet steel,
and it is curved and has.....
metal ribbing 360 degree circles
like, what did
I
call it on
the
tape,
ah, barrel hoops that
go inside it that hold the
mold,
you
know,
that hold the shape of this thing.
Okay,
well anyway, back
to sketch three.
There was this completed
device
at,
it
looked,
what appeared,
when
I
first looked at
it,
it looked like
i t was suspended beneath
a conveyor belt
roller,
and it sort of threw me off a little bit.
I
couldn't
figure if
I was looking
at
it upside down or what,
and
I...
finally decided that
I was right side up,
and that yes,
in fact,
this bomb thing was,
did appear
to hang from an
upper roller,
but it didn't really hang from the upper roller
because there was this roller beneath it as well,
and
it was,
in
fact,
sandwiched between two roller things.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
As I've drawn
in sketch three.
And,
the feeling that
I had
here was,
not that it was bein g transported,
nor that
it was
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#10.5:
...being stored for the sake
of storing
or transported for
the sake of moving,
I had
the feeling that
it was being
processed,
that its being sandwiched
in between these rollers
was moving it through
a small area
of exposure of some sort
of equipment that was
a part
of the final process of
gettin'
the bomb ready
to
go,
and the word degousing just sort
of
hit into my mind,
you
know.
It wasn't like the bomb was
being forced through this machinery,
or anything.
It was
hanging out in theopen,
but in
a tighter area.
Like
a place,
the area
of this room,
and maybe
20 or
30 feet long.
It was
hanging
in free space,
but there was something going
on
in
there that directly affected the bomb.
Even though there wasn't
nothing touching it
or beating
it or,
you
know,
anything
like
that.
So,
the word,
the idea of degousing or demagnetizing
or
something like
that,
ah,
just went through my mind right then
very spontaneously.
Like,
oh,
this
is the place where, you
know,
they
get it already to go at the
very end,
and it's some
sort
of
an abstract invisible process
like degousing.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Okay.
Then,
you asked me
to do
the cutaway.
By
then,
umm,
sorry,
but
I was sort of beginning
to do
a little fade
of my
own.
It was an interesting feeling though that this bomb that
was being processed at the end did feel to me,
did look
to me
to be different.
It looked like
a different model.
Like
the
structure and the organization
of the inside
of
this shell
casing. ... .casing was not the same
that
I had just come from.
The one that
I
had very methodically watched
go through an
assembly process.
Giving me the idea that this
one
is a
little different organization.
Maybe,
like
a little different
firing mechanism method,
ah,
ah,
and so therefore,
you know,
the big thing was the absence
of this mechanical garbage in
the front.
These counter-revolving disks and the rod that
took up the front of the device
in sketch
one was notoriously
significantly
absent in the one in sketch
four.
There was
none of that type of apparatus.
It still had the sphere,
but that whole front end there was all
a humble jumble
of
little black boxes and wires and transistors.
You
know.
The
typical garbage dump,
and that the sphere itself seemed
to be
moved back about two feet towards the rear of this shell,
ah,
towards what was actually,
I've drawn
it here,
it's
like almost
the very center
of
the bomb instead
of
the
one in sketch one,
which
is sort of,
could be decided
to be nose heavy,
'cause
the sphere
is
in the front end of the bomb.
This
one,
the
sphere appears to be about in the middle
of the bomb
,
and about
center
of gravity.
And,
that's about
it.
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#66:
Okay.
Um...
You were unable
to focus then any more on your
cutaway of this,
ah,
device that you felt was the original
device you... looked at.
#10.5:
Ah...
I definitely
took
the one and three: and..four, as the one
that
I
had worked some weeks ago or whenever
it was.
#66:
Okay.
The essential difference between the device
in sketch
four and the device in sketch...
#10.5:
one
#66:
...one
is
a lack
of mechanical apparatus in the front of the
bomb?
#10.5:
Yes.
I had the feeling that the make-up,
the essential make-
up of the spheres
in both bombs was the same.
Okay.
No rea
differences there.
I wasn't attra-, well
I wasn't really
attracted to this
sphere.,
I was looking at the whole bomb
trying to figure out differences.
The essential difference
is the one that's finished. . .doesn' t seem to have the
mechanical detonating apparatus.
What
I would call like
mechanical detonation garbage
in
the front end
of
it.
Something
to do with these disks,
and,
and rods and things and stuff.
It has merely electronics
in the front.
Soft,
hard,
hardware
electronics, you know.
Wires and wires and terminals and
junctions and, what do you call
it,
transistors and little black
boxes that do funny little things electronically
.
No mechanical
doings in there of any significance.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Okay.
There might be some-
What I'm saying
is there's some
small little remote mechanical servo that does some little
thing
in there.
That's cool.
That's not
of significance
to
me.
It doesn't have this massive preponderence
of mechanical
stuff
in the front like the other one does.
#66:
Okay.
So you think that the,
the bomb under assembly which
you've discovered
is
a new device,
and has
an elaborate
mechanical detonation device in the front of
it,
whereas the
bomb that
is ready
togo,
which you depicted in drawing four,
ah,
is void of this.
#10.5:
Devoid of that and would appear to be more electronically
driven and detonated and such and calculated and figured out,
and activated and everything.
f
#66:
Okay.
Do you have any other comments at this point?
#10.5:
Nope.
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