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If
I understand she sits,
or is concerned with
a desk that
faces the window.
Yeah,
she's somewhere
in this.
. .middle size room..
What
I'm
try in'
to say
is the problem
is not technical and the problem
is not monitoring.
The problem is people problem.
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#31:
#66 :
#31:
#66 :
#31:
#66 :
All right.
And of all the people it's
a woman.
Okay.
Before we move
to focus on her tell me the experience
you have that has you come up with the name Hank.
I don't know.
I
think it's the woman's nickname,
believe
it
or not.
Okay.
Tell me the actual experience you have that leads you
to this conclusion...........
I really can't.
The name just came
to me as
I was. .thinking
about the woman being involved.
It just sorta came
to me.
It didn't tell me anything.
Okay,
fine.
Let's focus now on this perception of the woman.
Work with that now for
a while and
I will wait.
PAUSE
She's about mid-thirties.
She sits at
a desk and has... some-
thing sorta high
on her left,
like
a stack of "IN” boxes.
And there's a.. I don't know
if
it's
a paperweight or if it
s
a,
uh,
accoutrement.
, a device of book of work.
But it
is
sort of. ..flat on the bottom, as high as your fingers,
so that
when she touches
it her hand goes over it and her fingers
go
down the side
of
it.
And it's
a tan
or light gray,
and it
rests up on the thing.. up
on the
"IN" box.
And she retrieves
it from there every once in
a while and puts it down on her
desk.
And
I don't know what it's for,
but that's
a unique
thing.
It
is. ..maybe it's
like
a paperweight
or something.
She has blond hair.
I don't remember if
I said that or not.
Earlier
I
had two other fleeting images.
One was of
a,
uh....
youngish man,
mid to late twenties,
dressed casually,
a
beard.
And he's somewhere where there's
a,
uh,
some sort
or
piece of machinery
in
a basement room where it's not really
a basement room,
it's
like
in
a corner
of
a basement.
Machinery
is something like
a Xerox machine,
that
is, it's something that
is elbow high and
is wide,
and you reach out
in front
of you
to work on
it
at waist level.
It's a place
in the basement
where it sits against a bare back wall of the basement.
It s,
the wall
is painted over.
It's like concrete block,
uh,
out-
line.
And the wall is painted
a cream white enamel.
I don't
know what role he plays
in
this,
that was earlier.
And
I
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you.
Search now,
search out that critical information.
Search out the target area.
Ask yourself for that most
critical information relating to the threat to this building.
Proceed now with total involvement with the target and describe
your perceptions to me.
PAUSE
Think I'm outside a... out front,
off the sidewalk,
in under
the.. in the doorway
of the place...
PAUSE
I'm drawn to
a,
uh.... window over top
the,
uh,
entrance
on
the
left side. ..second floor
Continue.
PAUSE
Keep getting
a,
uh, woman who, uh...sits facing
a window....
with
a string of desks.
PAUSE
Report
Not really gettin'
much of anything after my first start...
I’m sorta waiting around for
it to happen again.....
And explain your first start to
me again
Somethin'
up
in the left side.
. .second
or third floor.
Something to do with
a woman... and
in
a place with
a over-
looking window.
It's got
a line of desks
in
it.
And the
name's Hank
Describe the woman.
I don't have
a description
of the woman....
What
is your experience that
makes you say there's
a woman
involved?
I
just became preoccupied with this woman,
somethin'
to do
with her..
In answer to the question
go to the root of the
problem. ..
.
Describe this woman's activity.
I
can't.
I
don't have that data yet.......
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don't
know
if
it was
the role or him or the equipment.
I
don't feel it was the equipment;
I
feel
it was him more than
what he was at....
Very good.....
This woman that you mentioned before. . .focus
on her and explore and describe her principal job duty...
I believe that
she is
a supervisor
of about three other
women.
She's
a section chief,
and. ..is someone
_ who
on occa-
sion
is,
sits in at meetings...
Like the ones
in which this
type of information
is talked about.
Not necessarily first-
hand,
but also possibly second-hand...
Urn,
if
I had to label
it
I'd say
that
it was something like
in
a visa section or...
a,
uh.. repetitive forms control and processing.
Single sheets
of paper with lines that forms are up processed....
Okay,
I have one more question.
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#31:
She has short blond hair.
#66:
I have
one more question for you.
Explore now this woman and
describe the specific activity. .addressing the security vul-
nerability .
PAUSE
#31:
I,
urn,
only getting about two,
three thing.
First
is that...
she
lives
in a multi-storied apartment complex.
Secondly
is
the feeling that when it happens,
it happens
at home.
Some-
how associated with
a thing
in the ceiling of her apartment
which is like a smoke alarm or
a light fixture..
I'm not get-
ting
a feeling of hostility
or witting caplicency
(phonetic)
^
on her part.
I'm getting more of the story
of
the woman who
just knows too much,
and because she
is getting the infor-
mation,
gleening
it
in
the office,
uh,
in
the improper manner,
then she is not aware of the sensitivity
of
it,
and then is
doing something dumb,
like talking about it is her apartmen
or talking with friends
in
it or-
I'm not getting the feel-
inqs
of spys behind the bushes and sophisticated electronic
equipment
or anything like that.
It's
a very,
very simple
and very,
very,
uh,
basic...
#66-
Okay.
I have no further questions about the target area this
morning.
If there's anything you'd like to add please do so
now.
PAUSE
#31:
No,
that's all
I
can
find.
#66:
Okay.
Let's prepare now to draw those perceptions that you
have
had at this time.
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Okay,
first
of all it was not
a very good session at all.
Um. .1
don't know why, because;
of the abstract. .abstractness
maybe
of the tasking,
things which we usually,
I found that
the things which were usually available to remote viewing
really did not really apply.
So
I was wasting
a lot of time
remote viewing where
I was
in
order to find outwat it was
was looking for.
Um...okay.
Sketch
one,
I feel confident
in sketch
one.
That was
a very.,
spontaneous and very sharp
image that
I had
of
a series
of
tables,
some sort of
a clerical arrangement
in which the woman,
on whom
I was very concerned during the whole session,
sat at
the desk with the
"X",
was able to look out
on
the street
below, which meant to me that
it was
only one or two stories
up,
and was nominally
in charge
or concerned with some three
other clerical women that sat to her right
in
a row.
The
front
one
of which could also-
I can't tell
if
it's,
if there
are windows there which would mean
it would be the second floor,
or
if there was, with not windows there.
There was
a very rep-
etitive pattern and after
I
came
out of
it
I couldn't recall
which one was,
which was which.
I think it's the second floor
because
I feel best about the second floor
level being the
place
of her
location.
But
I
just don't know.
#66:
Okay,
I have
a question here.
#31:
Yeah?
#66:
What questions
in your own mind were you dealing with when
this spontaneous image of this room and this woman came to mind.
#31:
Well,
right here
I had done my uhole
thing,
was all
go
to
the
root
of the problem, were the words that
I
used.
Go to the
root
of the problem.
And
in actuality what happened
is
I
ac-
quired the
outside of the building first
in sketch three,
and
was drawn up to either floor,
second floor
or third floor,
you
know,
just up into the upper
left.. above ground
level,
left
quadrant
of the building.
And
I sorta wandered
a little bit
and had the feeling that
I was concerned with
a woman,
and
the name Hank came into mind.
So
I,
keying again,
continually
keying
on go to the root of the problem,
or what
is the root
of the problem,
I
got sketch
one,
which was very sharp and very
clear.
And
I got this sketch
two, was the woman sitting at her
desk with this
"IN"
box and this funny apparatus that
she has.
But
I don't think the apparatus that she has
is the thing
that gives away the secrets.
I think it's merely something
which
is unique to her which would help
in identifying who
I
m
talking about.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
It's
like
a paper- oblong paperweight
or something.
So she
sits there.
That takes care
of sketch one,
two and three.
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#66 :
#31:
Uh,
somewhere
in there
I
saw this,
I saw another,
also in
go to the root of the problem,
you
know,
I
saw,
I don
t know
where
I was.
I
felt like
I was
in a basement room.
I
felt
like
I was looking
at
a. .concrete block,
enlarged concrete
block wall,
bare wall,
that was just painted over white enamel.
And this was
a very
clear image.
This guy
looked at me,
sort
of
a young guy,
mid twenties,
thirties,
mid twenties,
mid to
late twenties.
And was
like using some sort
of
a machine that
was
at about waist level.
I
thought,
you
know,
maybe
it was
like
a Xerox machine
or something
like that that.. like our
machine,
it was about waist
level.
But
I really
don
t think
he played much
in
it.
That's an example
of how
I was flitting
all-
I think
it's more
of
an example
of how
I was looking all
over the building,
looking for the root
of the problem,
what-
ever that
is,
for the lack of anything else.
The reason
I
didn't use any more specific
is
'cause
I didn't wanna make a-
something out
of a,
mountain out of
a molehill.
Uh...
If
I understand you correctly you didn't want to say this
place
is bugged and
I'm going to-
I didn't want to say
let me find the spy.
Because then
if
it
was
an electronic bug,
then
I would
go and make
a spy where
the answer was electronic bug,
see.
#66:
On the other hand you feel as though you were-
#31:
And
I didn't wanna say
let me see the electronic bug because
then
if
it was really because there was
a spy inside and not
an electronic bug then
I would get
an electronic bug and be
off
on the.
#66:
Do you feel that you were,
uh,
now after the session looking
back,
do you feel that you were successful m your attempt
to
be broad-minded and open to any input?
#31:
Veah.
Because
I spent
a
lot
of time just getting miscellaneous,
you
know,
looking at
a
lot of things,
none
of which made any
impression
on
me.
None
of which made- none
of which were
of
any importance to me,
except these few things.
#66:
Okay.
#31-
So
it was like
I was shopping and picking
out.
You
know,
I
saw all sorts
of things.
Like
I
saw the- christ
you know
what the tip end
of
a,
uh,. umbrella
looks like?
Well,
I
saw
the tip
end,
chrome tip end of an
umbrella.!
You know,
look at that,
you know,
that's not important.
And
I went
oft
somewhere else.
All right.
Then you had me concentrate
on this
woman who,
I don't know,
I was sorta reminded-
I’ll give you
a character sketch of the woman before
I continue.
She
s about
thirties,
mid thirties,
she's business
like,
she's like one
of
the,
what can
I
say,
drone office worker,
you
know.
Maybe
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The color of the-
The color of this building
is like a salmon pink or sandstone,
or pink sandstone.
Okay,
now
in this,
her apartment
is
in
here and
I don't know which one
it
is.
The way she gets
to
work
is she walks up and approaches the building
like m
sketch four.
In her building
is where
I was- you know,
it
coulda been
anything.
You know,
I coulda had her,
I was
guarding against her going and meeting some
lover and telling
him all these state secrets
or,
you
know,
going and pulling
out her cosmic radio set and pumping
it into the
*_.
-
,
you
know,
the
latest data from Schmerch.
And essentially
dld
not get,
again,
I did not get in her apartment any overt,
uh,
purposeful acts at espionage.
But
I had the feeling tha
that's where she was vulnerable,
and because
of her poor secur-
ity,
personal security,
that that
is where maybe she was mon-
itored.
Like hostile intelligence services monitored her dis-
cussions,
her coffee clotches with the other girls
in the
office that took place
in her apartment.
And
I was drawn to
this thing
like
in
a,
uh,
living room or
a kitchen.
No-
it
I had to say where it was it's
in
a kitchen ceiling,
like
a
smoke alarm.
Something circular that's in
a ae
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lng *
Thf^
s
like
a smoke alarm or a vent fan.
And that that
s where the
actual passage and compromise of the information takes place.
Does not take place
in message
or anything with format or
dead drop or,
you
know,
big spy meeting or anything like that.
It's something that's done inadvertent,
off the cuff,
very
stupidly,
very accidentally.
And whoever tapped into this
c
ic
has tapped into a couple,
you know,
has happened to have ha
a couple
tidbits
of information fall
in their
lap.
That
s all
I
got.
Okay.
And once again how do you feel about the process of the
session today?
Well the session process was..while
I was drifting and rummaging
around
in the old AKA5HIC records. . .uh. . .1
don't know.
Some
parts of the session were all right,
other parts
of the session
were not.
Other parts of the session were out of control.
Urn,
you
know,
I began to feel that
I was wasting
a whole bunch
of time and that
I was getting
on everybody's nerves because
I was taking so-long,
but
I was taking long because
I didn
t
have any guidance and
I was looking at everything and so, well,
you
know,
I sorta worked myself into a box.
And about half-
way through the session
I
just broke concentration.
Uh,
you
know,
sorta drifted in and out.
Every time
I'd get concerned
with what
I was doing then
I'd break concentration and
I
d
have to start all over again.
Okay.
And,
uh... that's about
it.
Okay,
fine.
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