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#6.5:
Okay.
Why don't you
go ahead now,
and change your
perspective and go
dou/n
to this ramp.
0ouch down
on
the
ramp
.
PAUSE
#19.5:
All right.
It's,
it's ground contour.
It's got like a
layer of earth
on
it. ...sand
or something.
Smooth,
but not
hard.
It's hard underneath.
Ah... it's
like the ground was
contoured
this way.
#6.5:
Okay.
#19.5:
Uh .
.
. I
get a... sort
of a looming,
dark shape
on
my left.
Like that might
be
the end
of the overhang.
The right side,
I
see like... four,
four buildings,
tar
roofs.
Look
like
they're concrete with
tar roofs
There's.
I
don't know... some kind
of intersecting,
inter-.
. .intersecting
wheel
shape.
It's
on
my front left... .just perceivable under
the ramp
or down
the ramp.
Appears like
old wheels,
it
all that's
on this
ramp.
#6.5:
Okay,
tell me about
the level
of activity right now.
PAUSE
#19.5:
#6.5:
There
I
don't perceive
very much activity
right now.^
It's like
there' s.
. .like
a
very
late night shift,
but it's
not normal activity.
It's much
less.
It
s
like very ear
y
morning hours.
Okay,
then,
what
I want you to do then
#19.5
is focus,
focus
on
this area,
and do
a time scan within
the past
houi:
or the next 24 hours,
cither
one,
and during the prime,
during
the prime work hours,
describe
the
act ivity that's going
on
at this
location.
PAUSE
It's
like most. ..most
of the activity
is apparently
in
the
early evening.
Like eight,
eight-thirty,
eight o'clock night
'tell midnight,
one
in
the morning latest,
then it tapers off
And,
I
keep... I
see
a
lot
of hard hats like engineer hats and
flash,
flash
of bright
lights.
. .like welding eguipment,
and
metal working some kind
of metal working...
There's...
construction
of
a interior platform or
framework .. .some kind
very
tall,
maybe six,
seven stories,
and
a large
••••••
like a... half
the size
of a... a city block,
maybe.
But,
it's shielded.
It's covered like
a... this ramp
or overhang
on the
ramp
covers it.
There's cloths hanging m the front
some kind
of concealed construction.
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#6.5:
Okay.
Well
you
can
do
it.
So,
go ahead
and remove that
cloth,
and see what is being concealed;
what is behind this
cloth like stuff.
#19.5:
Ah
just
a minute
PAUSE
#19.5:
Ah .
.
. geeze
!
It's
like
a
...outline
of
a barbell shape,
like
two deep pits of some
kind,
inter-interconnected
in the
middle where
a narrow thing goes very deep
lying,
lying very
much
like
a silo
or some kind
I
started
to get a feeling
for
...like some kind of
a launch facility
of some kind
Got large pipes like cooling things,
cooling vents
or something,
and shallow pits in
the bottom
of the
p it.
. .and maneuver racks
for moving large,
large rockets
or something.
Great,
great
care
is being taken hiding the construction with overhead
cover,
and,
and side protection
cover.
It,
it has some
kind
of
a super secret launch facility:
where facilities arc
provided
for actual construction of the missile
or
the rocket
right
in the pit.
Like
they are assembled
in
the pit;
not,
not brought.
They're assembled,
but actually
put. together
there as well as launched
there.
I
am getting
a strong
I
just got
an overwhelming feeling
of
I ike South America
or
something or
a southern country .. .close
...close
to
a
close
to our continent.
. .a Mexico
or
no,
not Cuba
or
something,
Cuba maybe
island
or penulsula country
South
America.
#6.5:
Okay.
How far along are
they in
this project #19.^>?
How
far along?
#19.5:
Better than half completed.
I
see,
see
it
on a large launch
facility,
I
think.
It's got many tunnels
like for flooding
for cooling.
Thick,
very
thick concrele blast walls, m
the deepest part,
and..uh
very secretive construction.
#6.5:
Okay.
Now,
the last thing
I'd like you
to do #19.5,
is once
aqain change your perspective.
This time change your
perspective
to
an altitude
of
5000
feel
,
and
look over
the
whole area and tell me
of any any prominent features that you
see.
How many features that you can
see from
an altitude
perspective
of around 5000 feet.
PAUSE
#19.5:
Hummm
I
see,
see
the,
I
see more
nf coast line
to
the
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south running diaqonally
from upper right to bottom left
corner
appears to be
a
lot more swamp or
jungle down
towards
that edge..
way
in the extreme upper
left,
I
see
a very
rocky coast line
there as well.
To
the
right,
there is .....
.
looks
like
a plateau.. a small
corner of
a plateau and mountains
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#19.5:
#6.5:
#19.5:
#6.5:
#19.5:
#6.5:
#19.5?
#6.5:
#19.5:
#6.5:
#19.5:
#6
.
#19.5:
To the extreme upper left
is
a
very large city,
but
very
far
away;
like
over fifty miles. .. .and. .. looks
like fieldo
of something
on
the
left. .. .great
field:;
of something. .. .sort
of
a temporary airstrip next
to
the silos nr whatever
they are
It's probably
a temporary airstrip.
It.’ s.
. .that's all that
I'm getting.
Okay.
What
I would
like to see you do now,
change your
perspective and go down,
go down
to
thal
temporary airstrip,
and tell me about
the activity down there.
PAUSE
There's
a... only
a single
plane.
. .looks,
looks
a
lot
like
a
ah
Cl
C130
four
big
f our engines,
very
high wing,
larger than a C130's;
it's
just parked there.
Is there anyone near this plane
or
on
the plane?
Yeah.
There's guards by
the plane.
I hey
are wearing
like
the
old
the
old Marine khakis.
Aha...
Do
a
time scan for me,
and
toll
me how long that plane
has been there.
Three,
three days.
Aha... it's empty,
hut
it was there
for
three days,
now.
PAUSE
Besides this
one plane,
do you see any other planes
in
the
area:
No.
Not now.
There's,
there's many planes that come and
go,
though.
What makes you say
that?
It appears they... keep fixing the runway
for some reason.
Like
it's a temporary runway,
and they keep smoothing
it
out.
Those heavy,
heavy
cargo planes just keep going and
coming.
Okay.
Why don't you move your perspective aorund the airfield,
and
tell me about anything that you
see around the airfield.
Now,
I
don't want you
to leave
the airfield,
though.
I want
you to stay
on the airstrip,
but move around,
and tell me
it
you
see anything there*
Have heavy equipment.
. .see
like... some kind
of heavy equipment.
I
don't know what it
is,
it's
just large with track;
maybe
a
bulldozer
or something
Some shed
like roofs.....
a
with motal
like. .. .metal crates
or something stored under
them
That's all
I
see.
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#6.5:
Okay
Okay.
Those crates that
you mentioned,
describe how big they are and open
one
of
them and tell me
what's inside.
#19.5:
They're,
they're maybe.
. .a.
. .three,
three-quarter
ton truck
size.
I
see what looks like
a engine spare parts. .. .these. ..
.
look very complicated
.
They
like a... engine spare parts
or sections
of engines with
a fuel
line- and cables and
things.
Aluminum color
.
#6.5:
Do
I understand that you are seeing enqjne spare parts and
fuel
lines and cables
#19.5:
Yes.
That's correct.
#6 , 5 ;
that are
in
these crates?
#19.5:
Inside
the crates.
#6.5:
Aha...
Did you
open
one
of
these
crate:;?
#19.5:
That's what
I
saw.
#6.5:
Okay.
Okay.
Anything else inside one
of these crates?
Are they all carrying the same stuff?
#19.5:
Not too many crates....
That's all
I
see.
Looks
like
a
engine parts.
#6
5-
Okay.
Tell me if you
can,
and you
can,
on a time scan basis,
when the plane had
the crew aboard,
whal. language were
they
they speaking?
#19.5:
Russian.
The plane's crew
is Russian.
PAUSE
#6.5:
Do
I
understand you to say
that
the plane has Russian markings?
#19.5:
No.
There's no markings
on
the plane.
#6.5:
No markings
on
the plane.
#19.5:
None at all.
PAUSE
#6.5:
Okay.
Do you have anything else
that
you would like
at this time?
to add
#19.5:
I think it's Cuba.
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#6.5:
#19.5:
#6.5:
#6.5:
#19.5:
#6.5:
#19.5:
#6.5:
#19.5:
Aha ..... aha ....
I
don't know why
I
say
that.
It looks very much
like
Cuba
to me.
Okay.
I
have no further questions,
at
I his
time.
Why
don' t
you
relax,
relax and
take
a couple
of minutes,
and then we
will
do some drawings.
I
will put this
thing
on hold for
the time being.
PAUSE
Okay,
okay,
well,
we're back
in business now,
and... why don't
you
go ahead and do your drawings,
and number them as you
go
along
.
Okay.
I
guess
I will start with the
"L"
shaped thing.
I
got
a,
I
get an impression from,
I
can't remember how many
feet it was,
initially.
Okay.
The initial one was from a perspective
of about 1000
feet.
Okay.
From
a 1000 feet
I
get
a perspce
shaped
thing.
It looked like pavement
something
at first
I'm not sure wha
"L"
shape,
and
a...
That is
the
"L"
si
perhaps
a,
a,
250
by
300 this way;
that
A,
and then
I
got a... like
a earthenwar
trying,
trying
to
get this as accurate
main supports.
. .of concrete coming out,
rock
or something up here... and,
then
....support pillars ... like
this,
witli
This earth-type thing went down into...
this
is
very clear
or not... like that,
up
in
here,
and then
I had an impress ii
that's all
I have
on
that,
that stuff.
Live
of
this.
. ."L"
or concrete
or
t
it was.
Just an
iape ,
and it was
's feet.
Call this
e ramp feeling with
a.
as
I
can... like these
and this is like
here was like pillars
his earthenware.
,
I
don't know
if
and it was very dark
ii i
of
a ssss .... I
gucsE
Okay.
It's kind
of
rocky
in here.
This appeared to be flat
on
the
ground,
and
there was shadow
like
to
this side.
So,
I
label all
of
this when
I
darken it in
ink,
and then a
•
I had an impression
of this
I
guess, then
I
started getting
an impression while
I was moving around
in this pi
a^socia
ted
to this... dual
pits,
and they appeared
to be constructe
in this shape.
And,
I,
I
can't be sure if they were covered
by
this overhang
or
if they were directly under
the overhang
because,
all
of
a sudden,
they became
very clear
to
me.
These
are constructed as steel reinforced concrete.
. .as being like
the upper edge.
Like
this,
and this
is
just ground around
ii
very,
very deep....
This kind of affect.
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