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my little man all the
time because
it almost
looked like
a man.
There may be some symbology
towards
that.
#36:
Does that fit the kind of specific
(not audible).
#14:
I don't know but it seems
to fit this whole thing
If
I was
just to draw the man here
it would be
nothing.
So let me.
In Item
C,
.
.
I'm trying
.
.
I believe the buildings were shaped like
this
#36:
I
see why you use that particular cueing device
for your memory
.
#14:
Yeah.
Well,
let's
go on
to the next one.
The
bunker
.
PAUSE
Then,
of course,
I
saw it from several angles.
It had
a square top.
#36:
You said
square,
flat top that you could see
through
.
#14:
Right.
#36:
You did mention that
it was earth covered.
#14:
Yeah.
But even earth covered,
the top was
flat.
#36:
I
just wanted to be sure
I was understanding
what you were saying
.
You could see
a square
flat
shape.
#14:
Urn hm.
Right.
PAUSE
This
is kind of
a
.
.at
"D",
kind of oblique
.
.
not too good
I
guess.
PAUSE
"E"
is more of
a top view.
#36:
Is that the
second bunker?
#14:
No,
that's.
.
.
.
#36:
Another view of the same
one.
#14:
Right.
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#36:
Could you label
those
B Prime and
B
1 and
B
2,
to we know that they are the
same one
- different
views
#14:
Yeah.
PAUSE
How's that?
#36:
That's good.
#14:
Another bunker shape
that
I had,
and
I also
saw
that from several
angles.
I'll draw the
first
one.
It was
odd,
it was kind of
like
this.
I’m
going to make
it look
long.
As
if I'm looking
up.
PAUSE
#36:
You say you flew along
in this direction
like
a loaf of bread?
#14:
Yeah.
Why
is
it so difficult to draw?
PAUSE
E
is kind of
a front view,
a like view.
Not
very good
#36:
Its
a good drawing;
I can see
it.
#14:
I'll draw an aerial perspective.
.
from where
I was.
I'm not sure whether
it had an entrance
on each end.
It could have had.
PAUSE
Oh,
that's not too well either.
PAUSE
That
looks more
like
it,
I
guess.
PAUSE
#36:
Is that part of your bunker or
is that E-3?
#14:
No,
that's
E-3.
Its trying to make
a better
drawing of
2.
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#36:
All right,
#14,
the next thing that you described
in clarity was being
in
a
long hallway with large
metallic pipes
up high.
#14:
Well,
at first
I went through the whole thing.
First
I approached this bunker and there was
a
small doorway there or whatever.
I seemed to be
inside,
but this.
.
this would be Page
2,
F-l.
#36:
Urn hm
.
#14:
There appeared to be
a small opening here,
a
doorway
.
#36:
But that opening
is of size
for
a human
to get
into
.
#14:
That's where
I wnet
in.
Yeah,
its
.
.
.
#36:
Very large doorway.
#14:
Ahhh.
.
.
at
2 ,
I moved closer until all
I saw
was
this opening.
It was.
.
.
I don't know if
there's
a ...
It was
large enough
for two doors
to be in there
.
#36:
Urn hm.
I can see from your heights or width ratio
that it could take
two normal
size doors.
#14:
That was kind of
set back,
recessed.
PAUSE
I decided not to try to open the door and go in
through the usual means.
The next thing
I remember
in F-3 was this hallway.
PAUSE
There appeared
to be this,
large pipes of conduit.
It was attached to the wall and they were various
sizes.
There was
a large one,
there were several
small.
.
this was dark down here.
I had the feeling
of.
.
there were several doorways or whatever down
here.
PAUSE
There didn't seem to be any doorway on my right
or access way.
PAUSE
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#36:
Do those windows
lead to the outside or to
another
area?
#14:
No.
No.
It seemed it was either
a hallway
outside of there or
it was
all
internal.
#36:
Um hm.
Are you suggesting that those windows
were used to view inside the room or outside the
room?
#14:
I don't know.
Its hard to
say.
#36:
Don't worry about
it,
go ahead.
#14:
And in relation
to this.
.
.this
is really not
a fair representation.
PAUSE
#36:
What
is
that #14?
#14:
This
is
a chair here.
Whre somebody would sit
or whatever.
#36:
Okay.
I
see what you mean.
#14:
Yeah.
And there's
.
.
just all kinds of gadgets
and stuff like that.
And,
they were
just huge
and bulky.
Okay,
we
' ge got one here.
And, we've
got one over here.
This
is another console here.
And there 'd be another chair here.
And,
as
I
described,
these
two operators or whatever, would
be sitting back-to-back.
And that's.
.
and looking
inbetween them,
if you were standing back,
you
would see the doorway and these
two window type
things
.
PAUSE
#36:
Label that
"G".
#14:
I've got F-4.
#36:
Oh,
F?
#14:
Yeah.
These are all related to
.
.
.
#36:
Okay.
All right.
#14:
And
.
.
.
#36:
Your
"F" which
is hallway.
Okay,
same complex.
Okay
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#36:
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I can label
this
"G".
Well.
It doesn't matter.
As
long as
its
labeled,
I
guess.
It doesn't matter.
PAUSE
Let me come up with an F-5 here.
PAUSE
I'll draw an aerial
type.
PAUSE
That's
the consoles.
Right.
Over here
is the door.
Window.
I
had
a feeling that all along the outer edge of this
room,
of course,
it was broken up in different
areas
.
Electrons
.
Yeah
.
Captives,
whatever.
Electronic equipment.
I don't know why anybody
would want to put something together
like
that
but
.
.
.
Do you know where the other door was?
Yeah.
I'll get
to
it.
The other door was over
here.
And there was another.
Oh
God,
I don't know
how far
this room went back,
it was another large
room.
I'll put
it back at least to here.
And back
in here was just a profusion.
Electrical wiring.
This was all inside this bunker.
The square bunker.
Later you were seeing silo's
again.
Was
that
the
same
silo that you looked at earlier.
Well,
I had
a much better view.
I'll
label
this
"G"
.
This
time,
I was looking at
a round nosed
missile and
I was standing up above looking down.
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I'm going
to have
to draw one thing or the
other.
I'll draw the missile
solid.
It will
standout against the rest of
it.
PAUSE
I don't know why
I drew it that way.
PAUSE
Anyhow,
I was standing on the edge,
looking down.
Call
that G-l ,
G-2.
#36:
That; s when you
(not audible)
overhead.
#14:
Right.
Oh,
don't ask me how
I draw some of these.
And there appeared to be
some
type of pipes or
whatever alongside the walls
at different places.
I didn't.
.
.
It was difficult
to pay
a whole lot
of attention to
it.
PAUSE
But it was dark way down in the recesses.
PAUSE
#36:
You appeared a little apprehensive above here
looking down on
it and then
I discovered that
you were down there anyway.
#14:
Yeah.
There was
a little
lapse of time
there
and
the next thing
I knew, when you were suggest-
ing that
I
.
.
.
#36:
I thought you were still
up there
looking down
and
I
said go down.
#14:
Yeah,
and when you suggested that
I
go up higher
and
I
looked up and
I was looking out of the hole
from down below.
The only thing
I had
.
.
I wasn't
apprehensive,
it just looked
a little bit crowded
down there.
You know,
there wasn't
a whole
lot of
room.
#36:
That was about
it as
far as the descriptions you
gave me.
Do you have anything else?
#14:
No.
In G-3,
like
I said
I was getting a lot of
different shopts of this thing coming out.
This
is
just another huge,
I had the feeling it was
a
huge round shapeness
so
I didn't,
couldn't get
any fins or anything associated with
it.
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And this was where
I had this feeling of liquid
fuel,
of fumes venting out or whatever.
And
then there was
a lot of stuff coming back and
out of here.
PAUSE
And when these things were exiting the
silo
it was almost as
if it was
slow motion,
you
know,
you could just see them coming and going
up.
PAUSE
#36:
Is that about
it?
#14:
That's about
it.
If this
isn't the target we
sure built
a heck of
a story around
it.
#36:
The time
is
1113.
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