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SG1B Approved For Release 2000/08 788R000400480001-6 SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-62 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request for information on a target of interest. The mission was to describe the activity within a building located at a airfield in 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been. subjected to any inter- mediate analysis, evaluation or collation. In terpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3, (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4, (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing information pro vided the remote viewer. 5, (S/NOFORN) This session was conducted at the special request of the customer. Due to administrative workload, the project manager handcarried the tape to the customer an 29 September 1980, and all concerned studied the tape. This transcript is provided in order to give them a permanent record. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 8}4RDP 9B-00788R090400480001-6 NOT RELEASABLE 10 FOREIGN NATIV
Approved For Release 2000/08/0 TIME #43253 #4353 SG1B #31: $43.53 #31: #43253 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : 5R000400480001-6 TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-62 This will be a remote viewing session for the 25 September 1980, with a start time of 1430 hours. Testing, testing. PAUSE Okay #31, it's time to start today's session. I want to go SG iB over some of the details with you again. Your target will be designated by the map — On that map sheet, target that we are interested in is located at coordinate I'll say again: I want you to focus your §G1B attention at that big heavy building that you were told about before that is at that location. Focus now, in time, to normal working hours, yesterday. The normal working hours yesterday at the target. Move now to the target and describe it for me. Relax and concentrate. PAUSE Umm..egot the...umm...I'm feeling of the... -humm...shallway, hallway with some inside squares making them smaller like ah, door frames in the hallway. 'm moving around. I'm going down a...a hall, kind'a like bulk heads and, I'm in the hall... Okay; Now, listen carefully, now. When you last looked at this target it was almost. two-weeks ago, and at that time you moved ahead in time, one day at a time for fifteen days. That fifteen days was up two days ago, approximately. Now, what I want you to do is compare how things, when you, things were when you looked at it on the 8th of September to now, and tell me are there any changes. PAUSE I have a...got a long area, area like has, ah, a funny thing sticking out of a (mumble), and sort of up high. Have a thing that looks like a, a long trough, a trough which appears to be on a platform waist high, and it's open to allow access to one half of the trough, and there are things in it. The trough is, umm, filled...... I don't know where I am here. Sort of unfamiliar. -I'm trying to find my old place. Okay. Take your time. If you can't find yourself inside the building, why don't you go outside, and look around until you orientate yourself. ¥788R000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07¢€ #313 #43053 #31: #43.53 #31: #4305: #31: #43653 #31: #4393 #31: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Umm..-this is inside. I am inside. I understand that, and, if you, if you can't find yourself, maybe you can go outside, and look around until you see something familiar. Okay. Okay? I have a feeling of a fencing, and, ah...two round things. One on either side of me. The roundish knobs on the building, now, they...they only seem to protrude a, a little ways up above the top of the other part, and not, ah, very far... these areas, I'm going in the left one. Okay. PAUSE There's, ah, it's a...I got this, ah, sort of buttress round feeling again. Seems right...seems sort of deep, maybe like 20 feet below ground...where I came in. I'm going down the bottom. Okay. PAUSE Umm, I'm still getting a...Wait, 1 got a, ah, I was on a like cylinder, a vertical on the end. It seemed like it was ..ah, metal (mumble), and the tripod makes it stand on end up. I know it's, ah, sliding slowly down this ‘thing with my arms around it...4 foot diameter, maybe. And, I had this thing over on the...0h, yeah, a big ball, metal ball that was, ah, I saw it, like it's over in a corner, but then I was hugging the ball, like it was inside the cylinder, a big, a big ball in diameter like...4 feet, like it would fit inside the cylinder. It's somehow associated with the cylinder. Tell me about the primary, tell me about the primary activity that takes place at this facility. There is no activity here now. I, ah, feel that there is in the corner, somehow, associated with this big ball..I think that's it, ah, cylinder, and it's got a, ah, it's stubbier than this long one that stands on end, and, it's like sitting on a pallot or a raised part of the floor, and then it has a box shape on the end of it, and it's ah, about.....«maybe ten. feet long. I have a idea this is a area where some key parts and skins are stored, but only a few. It's not a large 4061.07 88R000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 ¢ #313 #4353 #31: #31: #43453 #31: #435: #313 #43.5: #315 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA 4iaait000400480001-6 warehouse. It's only few, and they're funny. They're different. They don't look alike. There's this stubby cylinder with the box. There's this round ball. And in the center is this vertical shiny cylinder about four feet diameter, sorta sits a little ways away, but I don't feel any activity here, now. Okay. Tell me, tell me why there's no activity now. I'm getting something. I'm trying to resolve it. PAUSE (Mumble) see people leaving, ah,'fraid I'm outside it again. I think I, ah, maybe at wrong time. I, ah, (mumble) a feeling of going up a catwalk, and since it was bare inside this place. I somehow got back outside, and I...seeing about mmm-maybe a hundred people or somebody walking out of a big ga~-entrance door, like they were leaving. So,ah, I wanted to work on time here, try to get there during normal time....- Okay. weeeee that we want. Okay. Normal time. I have movement of the thing which is..stubby, and box on the end. Lifted off its pallet and was swung by me, teetering a little bit like it was lifted up. I saw it from below, and it liking(phonetic)..++- Okay. What did they do with this ps-stubby thing? I think I'm back in my tunnel again. If think I'm back in my tunnel again. I have feeling it's being moved or.. somewhere it went out the side, after it passed me. I got the feeling of movement down the, down the erack-tunnel again. I can see it;go to following it. Light at the end...I just have to follow it until I see it. Okay. Stay with it. PAUSE Well, I see it like enter another bay. Turn around on its axis. Wobble a little bit, and then drop down. Then. I,ah, got a,ah, nose off and tail: off shot...like hinged. So, that they can put their hands in the front..and they put their hands in the back if they had to. Like the stuff is already in it, but..when you do some adjustments. Some adjusting and tinkering on this bench...I mean pallet. PAUSE 51000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA PSBAGC #31: #435: #31: #43253 #31: $43.5: #31: #4353 #31: #43233 #31: #4358 #31: #43053 #31: #4325: #x000400480001-6 Seems bigger than I thought. I see a guy now pushing it out. It's on a big,ah, wagon, and the guy has ta lean over, and it's about his head high. Where is this guy taking it? I don't know. It's like...not far. He's, ah, moving it to another station. Okay. To another work site. All right. Move with him and find out what happens to this thing. PAUSE Mmmm, ah, he's moving it a long way in a; inside-outside area. I feel inside, but I feel outside. Like I am in between buildings. Long corridors. I don't know how far. I'm waiting. I have to go to where it is. Um hum (affirmative). Going.! I'm trying. I keep getting this feeling of a big -elam shell. Something opens up and this is, ah somehow elevated up a little bit, and clam shell closes on it, and lifts it up higher, and you can't see it anymore. But, I don't know where or when I am here. I...may have moved all the way to a bomb=bay door situation. This is covered by...it's metallic bigness up above me, and, it's just a bayah(phonetic) cool shadiness. Okay. T don't know where I am now. All right. Don't... I may have wandered, Don't worry about it. Remain focused on this clam shell like object, and move ahead in time until this clam shell opens up for the first time. Move ahead and focus on that. PAUSE Has. next time it opens up, huh? Un hum (affirmative) Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CARB PSG a 00480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : #31: #43253 #31: #4353 #313 #4325 #31: #43253 #31: #4353 #31: #435: #435: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Ch 788R000400480001-6 It's about, umm, thirty-five thousand feet, and I have this thing go falling out towards the..epast me. And, 1. saw it go down into this marled background far below. It was very, umm, unexpected. Sorta made..gave me a “rush.". It just went. right down while I was, uh, watching a world war two movie. This thing that went down by you, was that the stubby object that you've been watching? It was a box on the end of it. There was a box on it, okay. What happened when it went down? From that altitude, it, disappeared from view, but then I was trying to follow it. I was trying to follow it for a while. And, just saw a feeling of like a, well, I felt that it exploded, and. that it..-thing that I saw was like a, ah, long stemmed mushroom. Bu-T didn't see the explosion. But, I, ah, the next thing I saw was like this long stemmed mushroom, cauliflower, not a mushroom, like a cauliflower, but, that by that time the plane was far away. Are you saying that this thing fell from an airplane? Yes. Okay. Il felt that I was way high up, and: that...'cause when the thing opened I was in darkness, and then, there was this marled, and then it just went past me going down. Okay. I want you to move back now to that object falling down. Expand your awareness with it, and catch up to it as it goes down, and tell me where it explodes. PAUSE Umm. Okay #31, we're about to run out of tape. So, you just relax, maintain your focus while I change this over. Relax. (ADMIN NOTE: Tape change) Okay. Again, I want you to relax and concentrate, and follow that object as it falls, and tell me where it explodes. 5RUUU400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : #31: £43.53 #31: $43.53 #31: #435: #31: #435: #31: #4325: #31: #4305: #31: #435: #31: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CfA-j ‘ : 8R000400480001-6 Primary feeling is a, ah, some dry barren sparse area, sandy, dirty, scrubby, scrubby brush, but, it's in a, ah, flat, umm, big proportion here. It's in a, ah, what am I looking at. It's in aeeelike a, ah, long, oblong shallow valley. I have the feeling like I'm at one end of it, and there's these hills on the left side...go off (mumble) on the right side there's a bigger mountain. Bunch of mountains. Bunch ma...small bunch of mountains. Did this thing explode when it hit the ground or... No. LI had the feeling of, ah, when I was back off looking at it, ‘cause this... don't know how far away I am. Um hum (affirmative) But, I had the feeling of, it went off, oh, oh, it's hard to tell, ‘cause I don't know how..sbut,#t's above the ground, and there's this big rushing down. I feeling ..was when you see a rocket take off...there's this big down rush and billowing smoke....it was like that. It was like everything went. down and bounced off the ground, and then just lost all form. The explosion force went down and bounched off the ground. Okay. And, then lost all form and just became this big.....Il'm getting all the classic biq bomb burst, you know, the big bubble and all that stuff, but the first thing was this idea of a.e.eemaybe.. oh, fifteen hundred feet of Okay. a half mile, Can you tell me, tell me what type, ah, how big of a burst this was? Again...I got to get something to calibrate myself with. Yeah. Okay. Let's, let's not worry about that. I want you to, ‘cause you've been working on this, and I... Well, let me go to the mountain top. That's a calibration. Okay. Okay. I'm on a..eekmow I'm up there. Let me get my feeling... get my bearing, I'm on a...sort of a...rocky, dirty outcropping. See the valley below me, here. I'm getting a feel now, wait..... PAUSE 4R000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ClAR O07 GeR000400480001-6 #313 #4353 #31: #43658 #31: #435: #31: $43.53 #31: #435: #31: #435: #31: #43453 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CLasgania® A, I, I can...the feeling I'm getting is when the...I don't know. When the cloud breaks contact with the ground the top of it is about level with the...where I am on the mountain side, the mountain top, and then that goes up. It's the top of the roundness is as high as I am. Okay. Are you on the mountain on the right or the left? The right side, the bigger one that I...thought was on the right. Okay. Very good. I've got two more points that I'd like you to try to answer here. ..1 want you to catch up now, catch up to that airplane, and tell me where it lands. Go back to the airplane, and follow it to where it lands. Maintain your perspective outside of the airplane. I just want to know where it lands. PAUSE Well, the...seems to be a different climate here. Different climate? Seems to be a little greener. Still some mountains around, and, Leeece Do you recognize the airfield? No. I don't. recognize the airfield, but I, ah, I'm trying Lo come in with it, so I can look around when it comes in, and, ah, had this white. concrete blotch on the right, as it..... the. airplane went by it, and my attention was attracted, and it had bumps on it like on...the building, ah, maybe it's the building where I was. It's like that. Okay. It had round bumps on it, like splayed out from...and as the aircraft landed it was on the right and the aircraft went by it, and I was like hanging in under the aircraft, and by my fingernails, and I saw the thing go by. Behind that building there's in the distance, there's some higher hills and mountains. Okay. I want you to conc- That's all I've got. Can you concentrate on one more question? #07%000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CRRRR SG 2 7 38R000400480001-6 #31: #4353 #31: #435: #31: #43053 #31: #4353 #313 #4353 #31: #31: #43453 #313 #43453 Approved For Release 2000/08/@ Um hum (affirmative) Okay. In relationship to now, to right now, twenty-five September, and a little after fifteen hundred ‘hours, when did...does this explosion occur? In relationship to now, twenty-five September, little after fifteen hundred hours, ‘when does this explosion occur? Humm...eLt ummm. I don't know. I can tell you what I have. Okay. I, I looked at a line, and I, ah, like a sliding radio station line, bar, and I said that's ten days. When does it happen? And, ah, the thing slid down the station one line, and I couldn't get it to stay on the line. I wanted to go on off of the line. So, I said, "Okay. Well,that's not. going to help me. So, I dropped back, and I said, okay, here is thirty days’ line. I said, "This is the line, this is thirty-days, now let's try it and see what happens.: And, bam the thing ended up about....a little bit, a fraction of an inch in like four or five days' fraction of an inch in from the other end of the thirty day line. It didn't go all the way off the thirty-day line, it was a little bit before the end of the thirty-day line. Um hum (affirmative) It went "s-schew" an' slid down there. It just like hovered there, you know, back and forth, like it was...I didn't want to force it too much. So, I stopped it. Okay. Okay. I have no further questions. Do you have anything you'd like to add? M-may Leveece May you what? Never mind. I worked it out. Give me a couple o! minutes. PAUSE I still don't like being here. You don't like being..-. Where this thing goes off there is some kind of a tower... I'm at, ah, the place....-I went back. Um hum (affirmative) f8eR000400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIARRIDR: Ds $3R000400480001-6 #313 #43653 #31: #4325: $43.53 #31: #43058 #31: #4353 #31: #4353 #31: #4353 #313 #43.53 #31: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIAR 2a6-00788E I been trying to get in there, but, I don't want to get in there that much. There iS..-e«e. Well, let's not worry about it #31. We've got an awful lot of data here. Okay? Okay. Come back to the present time, now, and relax, relax, relax for a few minutes, here. PAUSE Okay. We're ready, we're back in business, and we can do some drawings here. Okay? Um hum (affirmative) All right. For all of those who listen to the tape the "p-s-s-s-pt" they gonna hear is going to be my Pepsi. Not the remote viewer taking off! Okay. Okay. This is the, the view from one of the starting points I guess. This is a fence in the Foreground, and....1'm going to put that in, in pencil ‘oause it's really not that important. Okay. You. know with posts through it, and everything, okay. The building, the structure, the two round things on each end of it, I still believe that: this is a, some sort of a angle of sorts that makes ...sort of a shallow, okay. There'S ssscuveees a, there's a "vee" shape in here, is what I'm trying to show you HETescevecs Um hum (affirmative) .«eeith this dotted line. There's some sort of a difference. It stil had that infield feeling that....if I stood right in the middle ah, I, I was not in the building, but somehow I was still out in the open between these two round parts of the building.. Sure. Okay. It was still a peculiar shaped thing. All right. That's the building. Now, let me see.eseeall right. I got in, ah, the Xeeeeel'1l put a two here, on the left hand part, ‘oause I think that that's where I went, when I went into the building. When I went in the building, I had this feeling that I had penetrated at ground level, but I had....I was looking down, maybe twenty to thirty feet below me, from gorund level... 300400480001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 #435: #31: #4353 #31: #435 #31: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : G36 Qd¥ 88R000400480001-6 Um hum (affirmative) .eeeeindicating to me that the bottom of that silo round shape is in underground, ‘cause I did have the definite feeling that I was still way over top of what was going on. And, that was, ah, what was going on, was, if I can draw you co-just a ...some sort of a tripod in the...center fixture was a tripod holding some sort of a elongated cylinder on nose. Feeling that.....you know.....the room went around, hanging down here, I felt was a square overhang. I don't know how....+. and then the...and, then the circle of the room continues around here into the foreground. Okay? And, up in under this square o\erhang, as though that had depth...some sort of a weird fixture was...1 believe this was where this ball was, and...a real "fat boy." All the while I was looking at this thing, I was remem- reminding, ah, or reminiscing, okay, of the pictures of like one of our first A-bombs. One of ‘em's called "Fat Boy." There's one that was real round like a ball, and one that was more...elongated like a classic bomb, okay. All the while I was in there was this...and this guy...was like sitting over here on this little pallet. And, this is up in under this little o erhang, and here is a circular type staircase goes out, okay. Still had the feeling of the interior buttresses...+-. Okay. .eeeeearound the place. This buttressing feeling, and this feeling of depth, and this was positioned in the center of the room, I've drawn it a little bit off, but it's positioned right there, where the X is. Now, I'll refer to the one on the right as "Fat Boy," I was trying to looking for spontaneous imagery because when I go back to a place that I've been before, you know, I worry bout overlay from the preceding session. So, when you asked me about what activity, I said there was no activity. You asked me “how come," an' sort of wandered around through the building. Suddenly, I was outside and I saw about a hundred people leaving..... Um hum (affirmative) weeeeyou know. Almost like with the classic lunch box under their arm type thing. That's ooh, well, what do you know, you know, the reason is because I'm a little bit messed up -4n time here. You know. I've come at quitting time, and .«eealgo, I had the feeling of someone walking up this -eircular staircase to get out of this hole....just before that. So, I went back in. I tried to calibrate myself. I sai- I said to myself you know, during working hours, normal working hours what happens, and "boom," ole "Fat Boy" here, swung out... I'll draw a dotted arrow, swung out like this, and went up, and went that way. Okay? Just sort..»real spontaneously, it went "woosh" like it was on a derrick or something, and it )788R000400480001-6