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17 April 1981
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT:
INSCOM GRILL FLAME Briefing for Congressman Rose,
1 6 April 1981
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1.
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PURPOSE:
At 1030 hrs,
16 Apr 81,
I briefed Congressman Charlie Rose
(Chairman, Evaluation Subcommittee
of The House Permanent Committee on
Intelligence)
on the status of
the INSCOM GRILL FLAME Program.
I
had last briefed
Congressman Rose on 16 Jan
80.
2.
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The following personnel attended the briefing:
Congressman Rose
MG Thompson,
ACSI
Dick Giza, Office of Congressman Rose
Annette Smiley,
Staffer from House
Intel Committee
LTC Mike Chase, Office of Congressional Liaison
LTC Watt,
INSCOM
MAJ O'Keefe, OACSI
Recorder
(Identity unknown)
3.
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Congressman Rose opened the meeting with
the comments that he was
concerned that research into this field had
to continue
in an orderly manner and
that
the program had
to be funded properly.
4.
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Inclosure
1 shows the outline of my presentation.
5.
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Congressman Rose made the following observations/comments during
the briefing:
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a.
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He had recently been to SRI-I
and been briefed by Dr.
Puthoff
and
I
(DIA rep at SRI-I).
From
that, briefing,
he
(Rose) had come
away with the impression that perhaps the Army would like
to break off future
contacts wi h SRI-I.
COMMENT:
Both MG Thompson and
I informed the Congressman
that Army was still very much interested in working with SRI-I, especially
becoming involved with their new training concept.
However ,
we also explained
that there were several other institutions doing ’valuable research in the field
of parapsychology and that we wanted to make contact with them.
Congressman Rose
stated that was a very reasonable approach.
b.
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Congressman Rose stated,
again,
that Remote Viewing potentially
was
a most valuable asset for the intelligence community and that work
in that
area had
to continue.
c.
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He was willing
to help
in any way that he could, but mentioned
the
commitment one makes when one "signs his name on the line."
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d.
(S/N0F0RN)
He expressed concern with us being operational on what
might be
a premature basis.
COMMENT
;
I
explained
that. all
tasking agencies
are cautioned about using our information as "single source"
and that all
outgoing reports have a statement repeating the warning.
Also,
that from a
psychological standpoint,
it appears that better results can be obtained if
the source knows that he is being asked to help on real world problem^
MG Thompson stated that Ingo Swann had expressed similar thoughts
to him.
6.
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I summarized my presentation with
the statement that -many civilian
organizations appear to be doing very credible work in this area,
SRI included;
however,
they all have their own special interest(s)
that
they are trying to
develop.
This has led
to a very disjointed effort and has slowed development
in the field.
I
recommended that if DoD was going
to seriously study the value
of parapsychology
then someone must make the decision to undertake and manage
a serious effort designed to settle once and for all any questions concerning
this field.
7.
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Congressman Rose expressed his thanks for
a very
informative briefing
and told us to keep up
the outstanding work.
8.
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The meeting adjourned at 1145 hours.
1 Incl
as
MURRAY B.UJATT
LTC,
MI
Project Manager
.ilk
NOTED ;
CHAD B. WHITE,
COL,
GS
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