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PURPOSE:
To
detail the facts as
I understand them, regarding fhe
production
of a program
for
British
Television,
on
the
history
of
Remote
Viewing
(RV);
to
include
association
with
the
military
(specifically the
Ft. Meade
Project),
and
its use
(specific
applications)
during the
cold
war.
STATEMENT
Over the past eight months, a writer by the name
of, James
Schnabel, approached me at least six or seven times via phone
in
an
attempt to
interview me
for a book he was
writing on remote
viewing
and
its
history.
Initially he
insisted
that he was
only
interested
in the
science side
of the
subject,
the developmental program
at SRI-
International,
as
well as
current work being done
at Science
Applications
International
Corporation
(SAIC).
In the case of each contact,
I recommended he
call either of
the companies
direct,
since
I was
only a sub-contractor working
for them.
I
told him
that the work
I
performed was
proprietary.
When he asked for a specific name to
reference,
I stated that
I
couldn't give him one, since
in both cases,
I understood that the
laboratories doing the work had since been shut down.
On May the 17th,
I was stopped
in the driveway of The Monroe
Institute by
He asked
if
I knew that Jim Schnabel was
going
to be attending a Gateway seminar the following week; and
did
I know who he was.
I told him that
I knew who he was and had
seen
his name on the
list
of
participants.
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(then told me that Schnabel wanted to interview me for a
film
production he was doing on the
history
of remote viewing
for
a
British
broadcasting
firm; and asked
if
I would be
interested.
I told him
no, because my understanding was the broadcast
would have sensational and
political
overtones, and was going
to
specifically address the
old
project
at
Ft. Meade.
Therefore,
I
was very
reluctant to speak with him
again.
I
also informed
that Schnabel had contacted me by phone on a number of occasions
and
I
believed that he wasn't
entirely open and honest with me
duri ng
those
conversations.
assured me that Schnabel was very pro-remote
in
viewing,
that
it was
his
intention
to do
only the
right
thing
with
regard towards the
broadcast, and he wasn't
interested
anything
that would do remote viewing
reputational damage.
I asked
I
Ihow he
justified speaking with Schnabel
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old
office,
and he
stated
that he
felt those
restrictions
were
pertinent
only
to
specific
operations, and
of cou rse he
wasn't discussing any
of these
with Schnabel.
I
told
that my understanding was
that we were
to
neither confirm
nor
he
old
office.
pressed
deny any
allegation
or
information
pertinent
to
so
I was
reluctant to
talk with Schnabel
at
all.
me.
So,
I agreed that
if
I was
called,
I would once again speak
with Schnabel,
but added that
it would
only be
after the end
of
the seminar, and then, only to hear what he had to say.
I
didn't
want
to
start a war with Schnabel
prior to my evening
talk on
remote
viewing
at
the
Institute.
On May the 20th,
I received another call from Mr. Schnabel,
stating
that he was going to be attending a seminar
at the
institute,
would
I
meet
with
him
there.
I
told him that
I would meet with him sometime during
his
visit,
but because
of my schedule,
I
didn't know when
that would
be.
That seemed to make him happy.
I gave my formal presentation on remote viewing to the
Gateway seminar group on the evening of the 22nd
of May.
The
subject
of the
talk was remote viewing
in
general, my
history as
pertinent to my near death experience, the contents
of my book,
and
this included some examples
of remote viewing accomplished
at
the
institute during
1983.
Mr. Schnabel asked no leading
questions during the evening.
On the evening
of the 25th of May,
I received another call
from
Mr. Schnabel asking
if
I
still intended
to speak with
him.
I
told him
that
I would have breakfast with the group on Friday
(the next morning), and would
talk with him
before he
left the
Institute.
During
that meeting and subsequent conversation he
related
the
following
information:
The Production
is being undertaken
in the United States on
behalf
of
British TV Channel
4.
The Producer's name he
didn't
share with me.
He told me the camera team was probably going to
be headed up by someone with the
first name
of Astro, a cameraman
for Discovery Channel.
He said the
writer of record was
himself
(James Schnabel, of 6000 Kennedy Drive, Chevy Chase, MD 20815,
(301)
907-2662).
He outlined the
gist of the program as two
fold.
The
first
part was how the
special
project
started
- CIA SCANATE
effort,
etc.,
and the
full
history
of the Army's
involvement
in remote
viewing,
to
include
details about the
Ft. Meade
project, how
it
was/had been used
in the
cold war
effort,
to
include the
specifics
of some
of the
live
missions, which agencies had used
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Part two, would cover the science
side
of the
effort,
both
at SR I- International and SAIC, would
also
include
other
applications, what the
current
state
of the
art
is
considered
to
be, and who the best viewers
are, and major players.
He also stated that they wanted to present a
live remote
viewing and
that was why he wanted my
participation
in the
program.
I
told him
that
I
couldn't
participate
in anything
like what
he was describing for a number of reasons.
My background was
primarily
in the Science, Research and Development
of Remote
Viewing as a subject, and
I
could
not therefore
participate
in
any
effort which had the appearance
of a
political agenda.
Secondly,
I wouldn't want to be associated
to what appeared to be
an expose
,
especially one that
didn't seem to be very accurate.
Third,
I had spent too many years establishing a good
reputation,
and
didn't want to see
it damaged
in any way.
He assured me that
his
historical facts were accurate and
that they had been cross checked and
verified.
I asked him by
who and he
related the following names;
| (Retired Project member)
I
(Retired Project member)
I
(Retired Project member)
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(Retired Project member)
)
(Active duty
- past Project
/ member)
and also specified four others, but stated that he was
not
at
liberty to provide me with those names.
Again,
I made no
comment.
I asked him why he was so set on having my involvement
in
the
film
project, where
there
obviously were so many
other
important people already
giving him what he wanted.
He stated that the others
felt
I had been one of the best
remote viewers
in the
Ft. Meade
project, and he just wanted the
live
effort on camera to succeed.
I
told him the recommendations
were unfounded.
SG1J He then asked me what
I knew about the capabilities of other
remote viewers over the years.
These he also specified bv name
as : L
I
i
perceived
this
to be an attempt to display the depth
of
his
knowledge regarding past personnel, so
I
didn't respond.
He asked me
if
I would share with him what
I knew about;
Dr.
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