Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2 #66: #03; #66; #03: #66; #O3 3 #66: #03; #66; #03: #663 #03: #66: #03; #66: #03; #66: #033 #663 #03: #66: TRANSCRIPT HU-1042/TNG/03 This will be a CENTER LANE training interview for 0900 hours 14 October 1983. The time is 0900 hours. Acquire the local site. Trees. Correct. Open. Correct. Road. Near the site. Swings. Near the site. Like an antenna. Break. Okay, now write AOL, antenna, break. Acquire the local site. We're still on general concepts now. Rolling. Correct. Grassy. Correct. Cable. Can't feedback. Report. .-Miss...Break Okay. We're now going to move into the sensory area, so the next prompter I give you , we're going to move the stage 2 arena. Tell me how the situation feels to you, the kinesthetics, the Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2 #03; #66: #03: #66; #03; #66: #03; #663 #03: #66: #03: #66: #03; #66; #03; #66: #03: #66: #03; #66: Brown. Correct. Hard and cool. Correct. Is that a confusion break I detect. An analytic break AOL break, declare. I get rocks. All right. _ Acquire the site. Correct. cece eae I get a stage one, whatever, I don't know, down, AOL it's like a valley. Correct. Let's stay on the break now, we're on break now. You are no longer on site. All right. Tell me about this down, is it an up looking down, a up and down, something down below, tell me about the AOL. It's like, I'll tell you how I got it. It was like I was standing there in the edge of the woods, turned around looked out, and there's just kind of a little swale that goes off in to the distance, then you see something out there. It's a gradual smooth sort of a ground. Okay, now are you telling me you had a visual? Yeah. Okay. At this stage in the game, visuals are AOL. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2 #03; #66: #03; #66; #03; #66; #03; #66: #03: #66: #03; #66: #03; #66: #03: #66: #03: #66; Your mind is trying to make something visual, this signal, this remote viewing stuff, at this stage, is not visual. That's why I put AOL valley down here. Very good, very good. There may in fact be a valley or a down component, but your mind tries to make you go visual on it and it's properly declared as an AOL. That's what most of my images are, or what most of these things turn up as visuals. But there I try and interpret the essence of what that is. Well, when you try to interpret the essence you are spending too much time. That's fine. Draw a line across your paper. Write s2, acquire the site. AOL break. I get a lot of these. Hard, cool metal girder. Okay. So hard and cool if it's in there. Okay, visual of a hard cool metal girder. Yes, red. Red in color. All right. Acquire the site. Hollow sound. Probably correct. Okay. You've got to do something it's been too long. I've got a ..well it's a break. All right. I guess a confusion break. Okay. A new piece of paper. Now summarize your stage 1 and stage 2 signals. Go back and look at Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2 #03: #66: #03; #66: #03: #663 #03: #66; #03: #66: #03; #66: #03: #663 #O3; #662 the stage 1 signals. Go back and look at the stage 1 signals that I told you were correct and the stage 2 signals I told you correct and write a summary. I just want to put, I had some AOL here just before the break. All right. Very good. I got an overhead, it's like it's open on the sides, but there is some kind of roofing overhead. Okay. A feeling like something overhead, but opened at the sides. Yeah, right. Okay. You're going to write this down on your third piece of paper and you're going to label it summary at the top. Okay, put Sl and then summarize your gestalt. What do you know about this general site. Look at your paper, don't go to the site, look at your paper. I read these and it reminded me of what I--- I know. Okay. We're not on site right now. Okay, I get the idea of, okay, I'm just using the Same sort terms here, I won't say what I think it is. That's right. All you do is write down what your corrects are. You said things and I told you what was correct. Write down what you know, basically what you said, what you know about the site. Okay. Say them to me as you write. Okay, There's open areas, trees. Fine, Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2 #03; #66: #033 #66: #03: #66; #66: #03; #663 #03: #66: #66: #03: #66: #03: #66; #03: Road near by and swings. It's kind of a rolling terrain, it's grassy, cool and shady with a breeze. Uh, uh. I don't know what the feedback was for gravelly, rough ground, crackly or whatever I say. Crunchy, that was when you walked or something like that. That was a too much break. Yeah. That's fine. Let's not worry about those things, those are AOLs. They may be relevant, but let's not worry about them. If you declare them as AOLs, then that's what they are right now. Before you go on, look at me. AOLs are not right or wrong, they're different and that's why you declare them as being different. Usually they are your mind trying to explain something of the target. Sometimes your mind explains it correctly and sometimes it screws it up. So AOLs are not right or wrong, they're AOLs. Okay, they're oranges when we're talking about apples then. Maybe. They might be apples but we don't know it. Or tangelos. Okay, write down stage 2s now and continue your summary. What do you know. Okay, okay, brown, hard and cool, rough, down I guess, downward or whatever. Right. Hollow sound. Right. I guess that's all of them. Well, I don't know, there's a hard, cool and red. It's like hard, cool metal. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2 #66: #03: #66: #03: #663 #03: #66: #03; #66: #03; #66: #035 #66: #03: #66: Okay, write those down, hard, cool red metal. i dontt think I got any feedback on those. Probably because it was an AOL at the time. Right. But I got a strong impression that those elements were there. Okay, get your summary, now read your summary out loud. Okay, trees, I guess in the stage 1 I had trees, open area, road, swings, rolling terrain. Road and swings near by. Yeah. I better put that in there. Rolling terrain, grassy, cool and shady with a breeze. Okay, and what are some of the stage 2s about this? Brown, hard, cool, rough, downward, hollow sound, hard, cool and red. Okay draw a line across your paper. Stage 3s. Now we're going to look for dimensional things. We want this target to have a change in aperture now, we want this dimensional thing like you were to suddenly now like on a camera, you are going to Close the F stops down, and this thing is now going to receive a dimension thing. Understand what I mean. in camera talk, you understand what happens when you close the F stop down. Suddenly you get a depth of field to the target or a change apperture. (mumble) perspective. Yeah, you're going to close the aperture down and move to stage 3 and this site is going to have a depth of feel to it. All right? Okay, are you talking about size of objects in relation to each other, or are you talking about distances. Don't worry about what I'm talking about, just listen to what I'm saying. We're going to change the aperture on the camera, all right. And this Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2 #03: #66; #033 #66: #03: #663 #03: #66: #03: #66; #03: #662 #03: #663 #03; #66: site is now going to have a depth of field to it. So now I don't want to know about stage 1s and stage zs, the only thing you're going to report to me is the depth of field of the target. Don't worry about what that means, just report that information to me, all right. Report whatever is that you don't know --- You don't have to understand. Remember you're responsibility is only to report, not to understand or make sense out of what you're reporting. All right? Write down S3, Dimensions. Okay. All right. All right. Acquire the local site. Time. soccer eee Confusion break. I guess I'm not-- That's fine. You're doing just fine. Remember stage 3s are expressed in sketches and things, okay. You can't necessarily say these things in words. The expression of stage 3 signal is ah.. drawings and sketches. Okay. I wasn't copying what stage 3 was, and that was the problem, I didn't know what I was doing. The way you express stage 3 is through drawings and sketches. All right. Okay. All right. Acquire the local site. ccc ec wee nee »--That's that girder I was, thought I was seeing. All right. You can say some things about your sketches. --+-D'm getting an overhead view, woodline, open. A wood line near the sight. I know that. Write down stage 3 at the top of the paper. Acquire the site. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001600030001-2
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