Approved For Release 2000/eesetm #1005? uhesemUCheseL could not resolve much significant imagery. I only had this feeling of a quonset type building.» -Out— side of which was...l think outside of which was aeeelike a fence corner, an' in the corner of the fence was strewn in aee.on end..-twenty five or thirty oil barrels. Fifty- five gallon drums. When I got up on top of the quonset. Still I was, you know, the only thing that I could see was the mountains, there was...nothing up close attracting my attention, it was like very bland and blase, an' I had to look far away to see anything to look at. When I got up up top of the quonset, on my vight I detected a SoSeeel felt Like there, "Oh, well, there might be a revolve+ea low wooden shack with a revolving radar thing on top of it here. Oh, well that is just some hodge-podge hap—hazard thrown together...Um.. temporary facility for . maybe spotting incoming aircraft an' helping them land, or something like that." An' the only activity I had was thise.ea caterpillar tractor with a front- end.».scoop on it, pulling some trailer, an' it was moving...from between the quonset and the radar place...sort of at an angle across nothing. I mean I didn't see it driving ona road, Ididn't' see it driving on an airfield apron, it was like, just driving on nothing, like on dirt. You know, no prepared...road or anything like that, it was like it was driving on dirt or snow, just'...an' I didn't know where the heck it was goin", you know, it didn't seem like it was...going any real place. Because of the lack of...of interesting imagery, I had to worry about not making it inbo something...suddenly. So, I made the comment in the session about how the trailer being pulled might be like Beeeh..ea missile trailer, you know. - But, I did not see that, I had this flavor well, "Okay following the radome type..eradar thing, okay well, maybe this is a SAM site," you know. But, it's not. I- 4t's like some forward "jump" exploration area, ant ° supply flights using some helicopters, or other aircraft which I did not see or did not feel, but helicopters 1 felt, might come in once a week and overnight there, drop off supplies, and then fly away. That was the only reason there was a radar there, was to help them come in once a week. An' that, like, any flying or any activity that went out of there was like searching for something. Not tactical reconnaissance searching for bad guys, but, like searching for oil or minerals. You know, something very: passive and very peaceful. I didn't get any feeling of militaryness about the place. An' I did not get the feeling that the place was super~ occupied with hundreds an! hundreds of tactical troops. T mean it was virtually unoccupied. It was desolate. Everywhere I went, there was nobody. I only saw one guy, an’ he seemed like he was jus'...rolling emtpy 55 gallon Approved For Release 2000QS GP Nera Nem tO Te $12000400450002-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Cl&- #41005: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA drums back over to this corner place that 1 told you about. Ant at the end of the session, when you gave: me...you know, if you have anything to add I felt “Well hell!", you know, "IT can't go on like this, this is absolutely nothing." So I said, "Okay, what would be some good tasking for me to do?" And I decided to go to the chief's building.. where the leader's building is, go to that building. So, I ended up at this temporary A-frame wooden structure, elevated..-porch with a rail, an‘ it was empty! (ha) There wasn't anybody in there. There was like a big front room with a pot—bellied stove, but it wasn't @‘Yeady-room, you know, it wasn't some combat ready-room in some forward tactical strike force, or anything. It was like where the pioneers «ome in an' they sit around the pot-bellied stove an' figure out how the..pioneers..Soviet-type pioneers, you know, that type of ploneer...the engineers, I'm trying to says When the engineers come in and they BS about how they did that day and where they were going to go the next day, an’ okay everybody, break up, and everybody goes off to their individual hootches, or out...back out into the boonies, an' they... That was it. Very, very low inten- sity; low density place, as far as occupations. ethes.as far as population, and as far as activity. Okay. Okay. Here we go with the sketching. Sketch waee. So how "bout aes-ateeeyou could give me, ah, one sketch that showed the quonset structure, and~ Yealhese “the fence, thene.. T'1l give you an overhead, and then I'll give you the QUONSET soe Okayees An..ethe feeling of the radar...with the "cat" andeoe Okays.ewe could draw the little radar shacks oe Sure. wseand everything...right on that one thing. °* Sure. Feel sort of like I wasted, you know, everybody's time. (ha) (ahem) 7¥88R000400450002-8
Approved For Release TT = CReT #0255 #66 #025: #66 FiO ds #66: #0252 The quonset was possibly 50 feet by 25 feet. ‘Kay. Somewhere, I believe associated with what I could call the forward edge of the..-forward end of the quonset is a "L" shaped fenceline and, in this "L" shaped fenceline are, possibly, 25 to 30...viewed from overhead would be like circles..».they are a cluster of 55 gallon drum, 55 gallon size. Empty. Okay, an' this is a fence. I had the feel- dut that the action of the man rolling the empty drum was weeL've drawn this curlie-que...was from the quonset, out in front of the quonset, into the corner. So I'll label that. Okay. Here on the ries. Okay then, what I've just drawn now is thee.ecate.»l called it a cat...caterpillar type is what I mean. Caterpillar type with trailer, and it moves along here. One the very right side of sketch ONE seeeiS a slant roofed, wooden shack thate.enothing huge or large about it, or sophisticated about it. Single moving radar on wooden (sigh) Hum! This has got to be a new record forme, (ha ah). That's sketch one. Sketch two. I hase. I do not know where in the quote complex, end quote, the bossest shack iseeel'll draw you a two "dangled" perspec- tive, here. Okay...bosses'+..tuh, I forget what I actually used to key myself, like "bossest office". ‘Kay. Okay. The only thing inside there...I didn't go through the whole building in sketch two, the only thing in front is the black pot bellied stove on the left. Okay. Anything else then? My original question was, uh, what type of facility is this? If you had to answer that now, what would you say? (Snicker) Ah, that's, that's it, you know, I wasn't get— ting a type of a facility.«. Um-hum. (affirmative) I had to work to answer that question. I mean, I didn't see anythe... As I was saying, uh...it wasn't an wasy question to answer. There was no readily apparant object which keyed me in, any way, to answer that question. If I had to label the place today, now, (pause and sigh) I would have to call it a prospecting base camp. That's all I could call it. That's...there isn't a damn thing there that indicates it's anything tactical...any- thing military...I don't even know where the hell I was. Okay.. that's fine, is there anything else you'd like to add?
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 #105: #10253 #66 #10253 ea #66 #410253 #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 "Okay. Well, let me think a minute because there's so little to talk about, let me think...an' I'm’going to kill the tape here, jus' so I can sit an' think awhile without...causing the secretary total boredom. (Tape recorder off, five minute pause) All right, the only two other things that I can think of worth mentioning; or reiterating, is thee eeape- eapparent feeling of unseasonal cold...and the two helicopters, which I felt were uh..HIP~type, not HIND—type, but HIP-type. Uh...rounded fuselages and tail empennage booms that sort of angled up at a high...at a high angle of maybe twenty- five degrees, and are thick, you know, not the bumble—bee type body but this...rounded boat~type body. Solid fuselage. And that these were stored in the quonset..euh.s...the quon- set had like big doors on it, you know, big sliding door type feeling. I had a feeling of a double layer front..ean' I could see two lines going up the side of the front of the quonset. They were not in there when I was theree I waseeel asked myself "Okay, it's empty..-but what usually is here?", an! I had this helicopter feeling... weeand that the two of them were stored in there. But that they weren't kept there indefinitely. They were not tac- tical. It was like they were almost civilian...or civil~ ianized, and they came in very lacadaisically, uh...they were stored overnight, ant fueled up, an' maybe they got a maintainance or mechanic or th...flight...the crew chiefs work on the.s.s.the...the helicopetrs. And then the next day they take off again; they might not show up again for two or three days, or four days. Um—hum (affirmative). And then they're stored overnight for one night. There's a place to work on them and everything, ant then they take Okay. 00400450002-8