CONTROL NUMBER:
8709
DATE OF SESSIONS
24 Aug
REFERENCES:
None
DATE OF REPORTS
25 Aug
TECHN I QUE
LIT I L I Z ED s
CRV
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TARGET COUNTRY:
UR
SESSION NUMBERS
M I SS I ON STATUS n
Con t i n u i n
g
SOURCE
I DENT I F I ER s
003
I.
(S/NF/SK)
INTERV IEWER JA^JNG:
Tasking
as listed
in
the
previ oils sessi ons conducted
wi th
thi s Source on
thi s project has not
h een
c h an g ed
or
r e
d i r e e t. e d „
T h i s
ses is i on
was
c o n c e r n ed
w i t h
P h ase
I I
of
the taski ng package ,
the descri pt i on
of
the character i st i cs
and
a an f i g ur a t i a n
o f
t h e
Sov i e t
p r o t o t y p e / c oun t e r p ar t
t o
t h e
US
1 S t ea 1 1 h
'
bomber
Other phases
of
the task i ng package were not
addressed
i n
thi s sessi on
2..
(S/NF/SK)
SOURCE TASKI NG:
Source was told this was
a
c on t i n ua t i an
of
t h e
i as t
sess i on
an d
t h at
He
w as
t o
c on t i n lae
t o
f oc us
Hi s attent i on
on
the unusual 1 y conf i gured
ai rcraf t
that
He reported
on
i n
Hi s previ ous sessi on
..
As the sessi on progressed Source was
t as k ed
t o
1 o c a t e ,
1 f an ot h er
a
:i. r c r af t
w h i c h
m ay
b e
s i m i 1 a r
t o
t h i s
ai rcraf t
but.
1 ocated
i n
another
gl obal
1 oeati on "
„
Source was further
t o 1 d
t q
v i e w
t h i s
o t h e r
a
:i. r c r a f t
,
( #2 )
a n d
t o
c omp a r e
i t s
capabi 1 i t i es and
con f i gur at i on
to the
f i rst
ai rcraf t
>j
( #1
)
..
Source
was not provi ded
any other
cui ng
or
descri pti ve data pertai ni ng
to
e i t h e r
a i r c r a f t
p r i or
t o
t h i s
sess i on
3 n
< S / NF / 8K )
Th 0 r e
w
:e r e
n o
u n usu a 1
oc c u r r e n c es
o r
an o rna 1 i es
wh
:i. c h
ma y
h ave
a f f ec t ed
t he
d a t a
provide d
by
t h e
8our c
d ur i n g
t h
:i. s
sess i on
„
..
( S / NF / SK )
S LJMMARY
a
So la r c e
f ur n i sh ed
t h e
a t 1 a c h > ed
summar y
wh i c h
was
p r e p ar ed
f o 1 1 ow i n g
t h e
sess i on
an d
s lab m i 1 1 ed
t o
t h e
I n t er v i ewer
w i t bin
h ou r is
a f t er
t h e
sess i on,,
The
c omp I et en ess
of
t h
typewritten summary has been compared
to the
Interviewer "s notes and
a 1 1
o rn
:i ss i on s
,
c h a n g es
,
an d / or
c o r r e c:: t
:i. on s have
h een
v er i fied
a
a c c ep t a b 1 e
I::) y
t h e
I n t er v i ewer
,,
Th e
i n f or ma t i on
p r ov i d e d
i n
t h e
summary was found
to
be complete and
did
not require further
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modi f i cat i on
,
cl ar i f i cat i on
or
addi t i on s
by the
I ntervi ewer
..
Source
d i d
p
av i d a
some
ver y
d e t a i 1 ed
p ost -sess :l o n
s k et c:: hes
w h
:i. c h
a r
at t aci h ed
t o
t h i s
r ep or t
f or
r ef er en c e
p ur p oses
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COMMENTS
i:
Source
' s data dur
:i ng
thi s sessi on
cont i lined
t o
{::) e
t h e
same
h
:i. g h
q ua 1
:i. t. y
an d
o f
:L n c r ea
<;;> i n g
c 1 ar i t y
an d
:i n
tv. er es t
..
Un t i 1
suc h
t i me
as
t e c h n i c a 1
d a t a
h e c omes
a v a i 1 ab 1 e
t o
t h
:i. s
of f
:i.
c.:: e
pertai ni ng
to Steal th
and/or
the
Sovi et prototype v
no hard
cone I usi ons can
be made concern! ng
the verac i ty
of
the
i nf or mat i on
p r o v
:i. d e d
t h u <*•*
f a r
«
o me
o f
t h e
;i. n f o r inat
:L o n
s in c h
as
w i n g
c o n f i g ur a t ion,
t h e
use
o f
e 1 ec t r i c / op t i c
r emot e
se r vos ,
f 1 i g
[”
1 1
characteristics,
etc «
,
may offer
the analyst
the necessary
c on f i r ma t or y
d ax t a
t o
h a ise
a
r e axso n a b 1 e
an a 1 ys
:i. is
a f
t h e
r e rn a i n i n g
d at a
Un t
:i. 1
s u c h
t i me
as
d i r e c t ed
o fc h er w
:i. se
,
h oweve r
,
:i. t
:i. s
r ec ommen d e d
1 h at
t h
:i. s
Sour c e
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as
ax
t emp o r ax r y
me axsu r e
,,
t o
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t. h e
f u t u r e
t h i s
Source could
be
cal led
upon
again
to provide more specific
data
as
r equi red
but
f or
the
t i me
bei ng the
r i sk
of
compr omi si ng
h i s
f uture
utilization
in
this project
would
seem
to
be
in
jeopardy..
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over f 1 own
i s somewhat
h i 1 1 y
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qu.l 1 i es and
1 ow
veget at i on
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ground
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Area
i is
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:i. scent
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some
of
t h e
t 0 r r a i n
a r oun d
Bo i se
,
an d
a 1 so
sou t h - c © n t r a 1
W0v ad a
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a i r c r
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f 1 i as ,
i t
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t h ©
h od y
or
w i n g
c o n f or rnat i on
i is
c h a n g 0 d
t o
0 n h an e os
p a r f or man
e
:
„
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r
ar os
a
mi njlma-l amou n t
o
f
c o n t r o 1
su r f ac 0 is ;
control
1 i nkagoss are
n o n — ist an d ar d
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some
liTor t
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el Ectrcr0p t
:i. c
c on n 0c t :L on
v
p r ov i d
:i, n g
fa^>ter "in d
rnor e
precise response,, ^Purposes
of
the aircraft are
intrusion,
llrEerdiction
,
penetration.
It/s not
intended for
a high
int en s i t y
c omh a t
0n v i ranmen t
ag a i n s t
ot h er
a i r c: r a f t «
1 1
c ar r i e
s
mi ssi 1 oss
„
perhaps excl usi vel y
;i
ni ght may he
i ts preferred
0p osr a *1“ i n g
t i m0
,,
lv
|g
1 1 u r g yJ^nyo 1 ved
._is
..
. r a tin er
n.gyjf In
i n vo 1 yi n g
1 ami notes
' 1 and
Jbjipjitti ng-
" 1 i ke"
Tef i on
on
a" pan *
Provi des
h i gh strength
,
low
wei glrtif
^ 1
i b i 1 i ty.
The desi qn
sacr i f i ces
some maneuver abi 1 i ty
f or
other
advantages;;
range ,
survi vah i 1 i ty
,
stab i 1 i ty
,
in war d
«
1 o w
s i q n a t ur es
The
t wo
t a i 1 s
on
t h
:i s
a i r c r a f t
1 ean
A I r c r a f t
n o
,,
;;
/f B i n g 1 e
t a i 1
s 1 op os s
h a c k
,,
c u r ve d
an d
r e c u r ved
,
wi th
f ai nt
hor i z ontal
r i dges
,,
Smooth edges curvi ng around
„
W i
i "! g s
1 a r g os r
,
n o t
a s
w i d os
,1
b od y
i s
*
1 1 i k os
a
is 1 i g h t
h ou r g 1 ass
sh ap e
t h
:i. c k tsr
,
t h i n n e r
,
l: h e n
t h i c k er
ag a i n
b ut
g r a d ua 3. 1 y „
T wo
eng i nes are present
,,
si dos-hy
si dos „
There are
" stab i I i z i ng "
r i dges mid wing
on
the
top*
Aircraft
is
“not
as fancy"
in design
and
construct! on
„
Per f or ms
i n
a
" t i gh ter
en vel ope
11 *
1 ess
f or g i v i n g
o f
rn i ish an d 1
:i. n g
,
:L t s
p er f or man c e
1 i m i t s
ar os
gen er a 1 1 y
1 owe r
„
c: ap a b i 1 i t i oss
mor 0
3.
:i. m i t osd
;;
n o t
a s
r e f i n e d
i n
rn a n li f ac t ur e
,
3. ess attenti on
to detai
3.
not
di recti y
f uricti on
rel ated
.
The
c on c ep 1 s
o f
a 0 ::: o os 1 e r a t i on
,
i n t er d i c t i on
1 n t ar c osp t i on
,
atn d
c ou n t os r rn osasu r os
ise osm
r e 1 e va n L
t o
n os *
2 „
I 1
' s
1 i k a
an
“ a n t i d o t os
o::>f
sor t s
f or
some
t h er e a t
or
p er c:: e
:i. v os d
w csa k ne
s
i. n
an
over a 1
d os f os n is i ve
o::: a p ab i 1
:L t y «
N os
,,
:l
i s
a 3. m c:) iii>t
e x p os os t ed
1 1
t os
b os
se n t
abroad
or
deep
into non-national
territory to do
its
work,,
No*
could
do such things but
is out
of
prosf os r e no: e
kept
closer
to
“homos",,
Nos,,
is more rigid,
has more
most a 1
content
in
its
m a n u f a o::: t ur e „
1 1
was
d oss i g n os d
a n d
d osv os
3. op ed
w i t h
t h 0
i» a rne
g os n osr a 1
intent
as was
n o *
1,
but the formula
is different,
and
not
as
3u 0::: c: ts
& f
l.i 1
,
b u t
osa i;» i 0 r
t o
ma l< os
3. ost is
of*
S i g n at lar es
ar e
g r0a t er
,
but
still
reduced significantly from normal
*
In some sense
it 's
as
if
someone wanted
to imitate or
make
a
copy,,
but
didn't
have
al 1
the necessary plans
osr pieces
of
information.
Intent
was
al so to
“
:i. mprovos on “
or i gi rial
desi qn
,,
wi th the general 1 y
mi staken
i dea that
bi gger /faster /more
nurneroaus was
“better «
“
The concept
of
11 si 3 natures'*
seems to deal
with words such
as
"cross section"
,
“density"
,
"reflective"
,
“noise"
,
“heat “
,
"turbulence
,
* d w f 1 e c t i ng"
,
a n d
* 1 mag n e t
:i. c “
«
Th e
i d ea
:i. &
t o
r e el u
e
" p r 0s oe- n c e
signature"
things that
make
it easier
to see
or
to stop.
No „
p r a c t
:i. c a 1 1 y
d i s ap p ea r s
;;
n o
,,
ci oa ii»
a 1 so
b la t
1 0av0 mi-
b i g g 0r
t r a c 0 »
A i r c r a f t
n o
,,
i ns
f lae 3. ed
fa y
h os0
o lat
o f
t h e
g r oun d
on
a
c on c r e 1 0
a
r on
,
ap p ar 0n 1 1 y
ou t s i d e
in
t h 0
0 p os? n »
A i r c r a f t
n 0
,,
is refueled
inside,
form
a hose on
a spool
hose extends
to
outside,,
A truck
pul Is
up
outside;;
the person operating
the
t r lac k
has
n o
i d ea
what
hi e
'
«i»
r e f ue 1 i n g
p ump s
i t
r i q h t
t h
r
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wa 1
'
„
A
:i. r c r a f t
n o „
:i. sn
' t
as
d a r k
as
n o «
*
p 0r h a p is
0ven
some silver
showing.
Skin coating seems
to be primarily on
u n d br !::> e 1
y
an d
1 ead
:i. n g
ed g es
Pr o v
:i. d es
e c on omy
an d
c: er t a i n
t r bn g t h
i m j::> r o vemen 1 s
a t:
t i't e
sao r i f
:i. c 0
of
sma 1 1
amoun t
of
i n c: r ea sed
s i q n a t ur e
FLI GMT
No.
flies
low,
NOE,
t errain
following
and masking,
relatively
more maneuver abl e
,
ac cep tab 1 y fast
,
more
ai rworthy ,
percent
odds
of
accomp 1 i sh i ng
mi ssi on
per
ai rcraf t
i s much
h i gher
..
No.
f 1 i as faster
,«
higher
,
straighter
,
less
man eu v e r ab 1 e
n o t
as
su c c es is f u 1
:i. n
1 ow
,
N0E
t yp 0
t r ave 1
».
pe r f o r ma n c e
b es t
r en d er ed
at
h i g h er
sp eed s
;;
ma k es
i t
1 ess
p r 0 cr. i s e
i n
h an d 1 i n g
an d
p © r f or ma n c e «
Req u i r es
mar e
of
t h em
t o
a
s ur e
h
:i. g h
p e r c en t ag ©
c h an <::: e
o f
m
:i. ss
:i. 0n
a c:: c omp 1 i sh m0n t
..
Caun t er —
productive
more
of
them creates
larger signature gestalt
to be
d i s c ov0 r e d
„
No
.. 2
i s
c on ser v a t i v0
i n
ap p r oa cr. h
t o
a
r ad i c a 1
d 0s i g n
whi ch counteracts some
of
the advantages--older
,
known-to-be-
r e :L i ab 1 e
t. ec h n
:i. q u0
ap p 1 i 0d
t o
t h 0
a i r c r a f t
b 1 u n t
t h e
ad v a n t ages
a f
n ew 1 y
d 0ve 1 op ed
t ec h n o 1 og y
..
Ex amp 1 e
ji
stael
c ab 1 es
i n s 1 0ad
o f
electronic
links slow reaction
time and accuracy
of
controls;;
convent:!. onal
control
surfaces;
fuel
meter i ng
1 ess preci se and
control lahle;
fire control
older
,
not
as versati le
or
precise.
WEAKNESSES
No*
la
time consuming
to produce.
Complex.
Here can
go
wrong.,
Borne syst ems
b ar e 1 y out
of
ex p er i men t a 1
st ag e ,
un es t ab 1 i sh ed
tr ac k
record— behavi. or under
11 f i el d "
condi t i on s unknown „
Can
" t
defend
itself
very well
.
Lower top-end
speed makes
it difficult
to escape
a chase
aircraft.,
Erosion
of
some sort
is
a hazard.
Li mi ted
pay 1 oad
„
|\|o
tl
2 a
i n bu f f i c i en 1 1 y
man eu v0r ab 1 e
c a n
' t
h an d 1 e N0E
flying
well
enough,,
Variety
of
situations
it
can
deal
with
is
1 i m i t ed
S i g n i f i c an 1 1 y
sh or t e r
r an g e
«,
g r ea t er
s i g n a i. u r e ;
b r i 1 1 1 e
construction.
Larger
than
shoul d
be,
and
heavier.
Not
as
a i r w c«r t h y
Sp e e d
c a p a b i 1 i t y
:i. s
somet i mes
a
1 i ab i 1 i t y
,
i n c r 0 as i n g
1 0 1 1
t a 1 0
s i g n a t u r 0s
..
U n
op h i st i c a t ed
av i on
:i. c s
an d
wea p on s
systems.
STRENGTHS
No
..
s
_ Man euvar ab 1 0
,,
Ca n
' h i d e
muc h
mor e
e f f ec t i ve 1 y «
S yst emb
d eb i g n e d
r ed un d a n t 1 y
0n h an c ©
su r v i v ah i 1 i t y
.,
Av i on i c s
a n d
we a p on s;
c on t r o 1
g ua r a n t ee
g r ea t e r
m a r g i n
of
er f or man c e ,
r eac t i on
an d
suc c e
is »
Lo n g er
r a n g 0 „
u i e 1 0 r
M
n
Be 1
er
mad e
.j
m c:) r" 0
bu i 1
-* i n
capab i 1 i t i es
,,
Some character i st i cs
and
capabi 1 i t i es
st i 1
u n k 11 cj wn
t o
t h o
out s i d e „
|\i o «
si
Fas1 0r
p r i mar y
c <::)n t r o 1 s
an d
s y s
lv. e ms
h a ve
p r
ven
rel i abi 1 i ty .
Many components
al ready
i n
producti on
for
other
aircraft
and systems and
can
be used,
making
it easier
and
cheaper
to produce
ai rcraf t
i n
quant i ty .
Less
sk
i
requi red
to
trai n
and
to operate.
Larger
pay 1 oad
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