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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
10 December
1985
SUBJECT:
Conversation via Telephone with Puthoff
1*
The follow! nc^^^^^qene^l
summary
of
a conversation between
SG1J
Hal
Puthoff
and
1100
hours,
December
1985,
concerning
a
news
reporter's
conversation
and
attempted
elicitation
of
information
from
Russel
Targ,
on
or
about
December
1985;
Carol
Murphy,
of
the Washington
Post,
working
on
behalf
of
(FNU)
Babcock,
an
investigative"""reporter
affiliated with
the
Post
for
years,
contacted
Targ,
requesting
information
about
GRILL FLAME
at
SRI-I ,
which
was
known
by
her
to
have
been
in
effect
for
years .
Targ
confirmed
the
program,
declined
to
talk
further
about
it,
but
did
concede
it
was
still
in operation.
Murphy was aware that Targ
&
Puthoff
had
left
the program,
&
wanted
to
know
who
was
running
it.
Targ
said
Ed
May’ was.
Murphy
stated
she
was
particularly
interested
in
the
"Ft.
Meade
Program,’"
the
one
Gen.
Stubblebine
had
overseen,
had
"taken
over
after
Watt
had
left
and
Jachim
took;
over,"
sometime
"after
the program emphasis
shifted
from Verona
at
DIA
to Army."
She
believed
it
was
a
"’big
activity"
at
Ft.
Meade,
in
cooperation
with
Walter
Reed^
and
involved
training people
at Monroe
Institute
of Applied
Sciences
just
like
SRI
is
training
people
at
Ft.
Meade.
She
mentioned
that
Stubblebine
was
an
"ally"
who
had
taken
over
to
help
"get around
the
Perry memorandum,"
in helping
the program
to
continue.
She
wanted
to
know
why
the
program
was
classified.
Targ
declined
to
say.
Was
it
because
"they"
were
"afraid
of
the
Golden Fleece?"
she wanted
to
know.
Targ said yes.
Puthoff
stated
that
Targ
had
told
him
that
Murphy
had
not
mentioned
any
other
project-connected
names
other
than those
listed above,
and
that Puthoff
had
in
fact directly
asked
if
any
other
names
were
mentioned ,
whether
of
viewers
or
project
officers,
and
used
as
an
example
name.
Targ
responded
in
the negative.
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The
balance
of
the
information
disclosed
by
Murphy
was
apparently
extracted
from
previous
Jack
Anderson
articles.
She wanted
to
know who
the
viewer
was
that
was
involved
in
the
Backfire
bomber
incident,,
and
apparently
knew
of
the
"Peanuts"
briefing.
Targ
reportedly
provided
no
further
information.
When
asked
the' purpose
of
her
information
search,
Murphy
responded
that
it
was
for
an
article
Babcock
was
writing,
intended
to
be
released
around
the
"beginning
of
next
week"
(15
thru
21 Dec
85}.
Puthoff
was
queried
as
to
whether
Targ
had
mentioned
specific
contracts
or
contract
funding
amounts
provided
by
.
reporter ,
He
responded
that
Targ
had
not
mentioned
anything,
but
that
he
had
not
asked
that
specific
question,
either.
Puthoff
further
stated
that
he
suspected
the
information
could
only
have
been
obtained
from
some
East
Coast
source,
as
some
of
the
new
information
was
not
known
by anyone
on
the West Coast,
2.
Puthoff
was
to
attempt
to
obtain
more
information
at
the
SRI -I
offices
during
the
day,
and
would
contact
or
would
be
contacted
by this office
later
on
10 December
1985.
a^
'
WILLIAM
G.
RAY sf""
MAJ ,
MI
//
Ch,
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