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#66:
All right.
Maintaining your altitude,
move once
again.
Move East once again.
Three miles from
your original point.
Move one and
a half mile further
East.
You are now three miles from your original
point
.
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Describe this area to
me.
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#7:
I
don't know.
Oh well.
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I
don't understand this.
Its ...
It reminds me
of
.
.
.
of inflatable.
.
inflatable
.
.
plastic enclosure.
Off
to the right there.
Its big and smooth.
There's
all kinds of
.
.
.
all
kinds of things.
There's small
buildings.
Piles
of
.
.
.
debris.
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It looks
like
a
.
.
.
big fenced
in
.
.
area with
a
.
.
kind
of ahead of me and to the
left.
I'm seeing
.
.
highly complex
.
.
.
overlapping cone shapes.
I think
they've got some kind
of tests.
.
.
tests
.
.
.
some
kind
of test.
I
see parallel linear
-
I'm
down
.
.
about.
.
.
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20 feet off the ground right now.
I
saw
.
.
.
parallel linear pattern coming from
a great distance
straight towards me
like,
like
.
.
the perspective
looks like with
.
.
two close to the end of
linear
pattern with
a 20mm lens.
Its real
big.
Its real
small the further away
it goes.
#66:
Tell
me what makes you say
test.
#7:
Well,
it looks like
a big area.
Spread out.
And
I
saw
a concrete
.
.
apron thing over
there.
Looked
like
it might have been
a little higher than
the
surrounding.
.
.
The whole thing looks like
.
.
.
a giant bar relief.
Kind of like monotone.
I was
looking
for vegetation.
I
see some big round
- round
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ended
.
.
.
cylinder tanks over there with
.
.
.
several
.
.
Oh,
several vertical pipes.
.
.
right next to
it.
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#7:
#66 :
#7:
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#7
:
But this was smaller tubes coming up.
.
vertical and
turning roughly
South. It seemed to be venting some
kind of
.
.
some kind of gas
or steam.
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Fairly high pressure because
it extends from
a tube
in
a straight spreading linear pattern rather than
.
.
lazily drifting
off like venting
low pressure
steam.
There are several.
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vertical tubular shapes over there
in
a row.
About
1% times
or the height
is lh times the diameter.
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Looks
like
.
.
I don't
know,
its either
a
.
.
.
railroad spur
loops or cables laid out down there.
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I
got
a weird sensation
of
a ...
a high frequency
- like
I'm shaking
or quivering from the high frequency.
Okay.
I
have no further questions about the target
area
at this time.
If there's anything that you'd
like to add,
please
do so now.
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There's one thing.
This side of the fence,
I think
I
just saw ...
I
don't know.
Top of
a flame
I
guess
it
is.
It was very short
lived.
It
phooed out
and just quit.
There
is
a building down
there.
And
that's about
it.
Okay.
Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and concentrate
and review your imagery now before drawing.
Relax and
concentrate.
I can't remember all of that.
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#31:
Well,
what
I'd like first
is we use some acquisition
imagery to get you
on target and some words
as well
which were from your preceding session.
If you would
.
.
.
your first imagery associated with this section
where storage tank shapes,
dress right dress,
okay,
if you would give me
a quick sketch of
that,
we
can
start with continuity
in the debriefing.
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#7:
.1
had the feeling the end of these things were rounded.
Bowed indicating they might be high pressure tanks.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
I never realized that until just now.
I was aware
that the ends were rounded but
just never realized
what
it meant.
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This
is very crude.
The saw tooth ...
as
I was
looking
to the Northeast,
seemed to be kind of facing
South.
And
I
thought this was glass
in this area here.
I assume
its
to get light
in.
#31:
Okay and they're
on the right side
of the sketch
(not
audible)
the tanks.
#7:
Yeah,
these things were on some kind of
a stand and
I
felt
they must be 15-20 foot long at
least.
#31:
Uh,
long,
okay
I see from your sketching there,
then
they're laid horizontally?
#7:
Yeah,
they were horizontal
to the ground.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
I see them not
on
the same plain
as this building.
But really
in real life they were.
They were off
somewhere to the right.
#31:
Okay.
Fine.
#7:
There's
a lot of these.
#31:
Yeah,
okay.
That was your acquisition imagery
then.
At
the start of the session.
Uh.
.
.
also before
your first movement,
you had multiple steam lines
on stands above ground,
okay?
#7:
I remember steam lines;
I
don't know where they were.
I
mean
I
don't know where
I moved
or not,
but
it would
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#31:
Well,
is
it associated with your Sketch
1?
#7:
No,
I thought
it was over
to the left over here.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
I
don't
know whether
its
in the first touchdown.
I
don't know where,
where
it was
in
time,
but
I
remember where
it was relative to my view.
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And there was some kind
of big building here and
this was going along the side of the building.
PAUSE
It seemed like there was
a conveyor
or something.
.
I
saw.
.
Yeah,
there was
a rubber fabric
belt.
I couldn't see the whole thing
- where
it was
coming from but
I saw very clearly inset
down here
in the bottom.
#31:
Number
2,
okay.
#7:
Of Number
2.
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I
don't even
know
if there
is
a thing shaped like
this,
but this
is what
it
looked like
to me.
It
looked like
an angle iron
or ...
It was attached
to this
belt.
And,
I
don't remember
if
it was moving
or not,
but
I
felt
it moved
in this direction.
And
I
saw pipes,
I
saw this,
I thought
for some reason
with the other things
I saw around,
I thought we might
have some kind
of
a
.
.
.
power station of some
kind.
Perhaps steam plant.
Maybe generating steam for some
of the other buildings here.
#31:
On this Sketch
2,
do you have
a feeling for the
diameter of the steam pipe?
The size?
#7:
Yeah,
I'd guess about 12-14 inches.
#31:
Okay.
And how about the belt?
Do you have
a feeling
just
a quick feeling
for
??
#7:
Yeah,
I would guess meter/meter and
a half wide.
#31:
Okay.
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#31:
All right.
Your first movement
to the East,
do
you have any more for that?
#7:
No,
I
u/as trying
to remember
the first movement
to the East.
#31:
#7:
#31:
#7:
#31:
#7:
#31:
#7:
Okay,
well that comes after this portion
of the
sketching here.
In your first movement,
your
touchdown,
your words were "looks like ore pile
-
big pile of stuff,
more gray than black,
but not
coal,
its
a pile or iron ore
or limestone."
It seemed to have broken flats or facets on
it.
.
.
which looked different than coal.
Okay.
I tried
to figure out why
I said ore instead
of
coal,
since we've been talking about coal down here
at Number
2.
Or,
I
felt there was coal associated
with Number
2.
Urn hm.
Okay.
And then
I move on and
I
see
a pile and
I said ore
and
I
don't know why
I said that.
Except
it did
look different.
Urn hm.
Okay.
That's
fine.
And there was more than one pile.
Just
a heaping
pile looked like
a bull dozer had been pushing
on
it.
.
on
one side.
I
don't know whether
you want
that
or not.
#31:
No,
we can
go
on.
On the tape
is enough for that.
#7:
Just
a pyramidal shape.
#31:
Pyramidal shape?
#7:
Yeah,
roughly.
The flat
on
one side of one
of the
piles
I
saw.
#31:
Okay.
That's
fine.
At this point
or
in
this area
of your touchdown,
your first touchdown,
your words
were
"on
a shady side of
a big building,
something
looked like abandon tractor treads,
a big metal belts
coiled up next to the building,
some were
just double
back once others appeared
to have been coiled."
#7:
Yeah,
it seemed like tractor treads.
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#31:
Okay.
All
right.
#7:
Could
be.
.
Okay.
It could have been
a tracked
vehicle of any kind treads.
But
it looked
.
.
.
#31:
But associated with
a vehicle,
am
I
right?
#7:
I
didn't see any vehicles,
all
I
saw was this big
metal building,
grayish and
I remember
it
.
.
.
And
I
found myself asking myself,
why
is
it
on
the shadow
side.
Because there was no shadows.
You
know.
#31:
Urn
hm.
#7:
There was no highlight sides,
there were no shadows;
but yet
I
felt that that was on the shadow side so
I felt okay
it must be maybe on
a North side or Northwest
side
of the building.
#31:
Okay.
That's fine.
#7:
And did you want
a picture of the treads?
#31:
No.
I'm just
.
.
some of these things
I'm saying
just
to bring
your thought through the session,
okay.
#7:
Yeah.
#31:
But that
.
.
.
#7:
They had flats on them,
you could see them each place
they bent you could see big broad flats.
#31:
All right.
As though they were plates linked,
some-
thing like that?
#7:
Yes.
#31:
Okay,
so now we move
to your next touchdown,
your
next movement of % mile.
In
this,
I'd like
a sketch.
At this point
you are
about 20 minutes into the session and your verbal
description
is "the metal stacks
like painting stacks
to exhaust hydrocarbons high above
(not audible)".
#7:
Oh,
that's
like
a sugar plant.
Holabird.
#31:
Yeah.
I
believe you
did make that
- okay.
High
above plant and
long metal buildings.
#7:
Yes.
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#31:
Complex with overlapping cone shapes
- well,
maybe
(Not audible-both talking at once)
#7:
No
.
.
.
not remember where
it was.
#31:
Okay,
that's fine.
The,
if
I'd be interested
in
the
.
.
your feeling
of the inflatable plastic
enclosure.
Okay.
In association with the
large
fenced in area.
Which you said was to the
left,
I
think,
as far as
I
recall.
Okay.
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#7:
I thought
it looked like
a wall with
a
.
.
.
plastic
inflatable roof
on
it.
About the ratio of
.
.
a little
wider than
a loaf
of bread,
you
know,
long,
ratted on
the ends,
the top
of
it being less than
a semi-sphere.
Much shallower than
that.
And
it looked very smooth
...
no indications of metal sheeting
as
a roof
I
just felt
it was very smooth and which again
is what
made me say like plastic.
And
I started to say
like
the top
of the Good Year blimp.
Long and rounded like
the top
of
that.
Except,
I didn't think
it was silver.
And
I didn't say Good Year blimp because
I was afraid
it would conjure
up silver.
#31:
Okay.
Okay.
#7:
That was over
to the right and
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There was little roads all over this cotton picking
place and
I
remember there's something about
.
.
.
Oh yes,
there's something about parallel
linear
pattern.
I took to mean,
maybe railroad tracks
curving off down
here.
Back over
to the left
is
where
I
saw the shapes coming from
a
long,
long
distance,
it appeared and getting rather large here
in front
of me.
Like
.
.
When
I think of
it,
like
I was looking at the end
or railroad rails and
I
was very close
to one end and the other end was just
getting smaller and smaller way away from me like
a wide angle
lens.
And,
just
like they went
to
infinity,
I
remember.
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#7:
I could barely ...
I was
au/are
of
a fence way
off
in the distance.
.
.
which was the other side
of this thing,
I
think.
And
it was,
I would think
several hundred acres
in
here.
#31:
Okay,
what
.
.
.
#7:
Like
it had been.
.
all the vegetation had been
aggravated
-
it just wasn't going to grow anymore.
#31:
What
is
the circular pattern thatyou have there
in the left?
#7:
That was some kind of
a pad that was raised
a few
feet off the ground.
#31:
Okay.
Also associated with this point,
we had big
rounded tanks,
vertical pipes,
smaller tubes coming
up and turning
to what
you perceived to be south.
#7:
Yes.
#31:
Emitting gas
or steam high pressure with.
.
and you
could tell that because
it had
a straight spreading
linear pattern instead
of
(not audible).
#7:
Somewhere very close
to this
is little pipes that come
up and they were three or four
of them.
They had
a
little nozzle
on the end of them.
They were
-
it was
pressure coming from them.
And they were
to the right
of this big tank here.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
I
didn't know what to make of that.
And
it was,
yeah,
it was kind
of high pressure
(not audible)
or
spraying
to the right.
#31:
Okay.
Good.
#7:
Rather
than
just
a lazy drift.
#31:
On the far side of the open area within this
(not
audible
- both talking at once).
#7:
These were pipes
or tubes
or something.
You
know
near this big tank like.
#31:
Very
good.
And
.
.
click click click.
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#31:
Several vertical tubes shapes
in
a
row.
Height
being approximately 1% times their diameter.
#7:
Oh,
yes,
I
had forgotten
those.
Those to the
right were somewhere
in the right of this thing.
I'm not sure exactly position relative
to the fence
but
.
.
.
Did
I
say how big these things were?
#31:
No,
you.
.
the proportions were height lk times
diameter
on my notes.
#7:
Uh huh.
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There were several of them in
a row and its like
if you buried POL
drums
a third
of their length into
the ground,
except these things
I gathered were
or
20 feet across
in diameter.
Then they were off
in the distance and kind of to the right.
#31:
Okay.
And your last
or second,
your last two things
you may already have them
on
there.
You had
a railroad
spur,
loops or cable laid out
on the ground.
Is that
what you're working
on there?
#7:
Its this thing right here.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
There was more than one
of those,
I
don't know how
they were laid out relative
to each other.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
But
I saw them in there.
But there was
a lot of
I guess trucks or something.
.
.
.
had been all
over the place and just beat the hell out
of the land-
scape.
Pretty baren.
#31:
And just when
you were asked
if there was anything
to add,
this side of the fence
a short puff
of smoke
from
a building.
#7:
Yes.
#31:
Oh,
okay,
in
the very foreground.
#7:
Down.
.
Down
in this area here
I could
.
.
and that
was from a different angle
so that's not going to
work
out.
But
I saw the end of two buildings and
there was
a.
.
.My
gosh,
I'm sure getting
a
lot
of
these ccnical shapes,
aren't
I?
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#7:
Coming out
of this building was just
a big burst
of flame and
it just quit.
You
know,
just
.
.
#31:
Okay.
I wasn't sure which side of
the.
.
.
which
where
in relation
to the fence.
#7:
I thought
it was below me and
I thought
it was this
side of the fence.
I had
drifted over
-
I
don't
know.
I have no idea.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
That was
it,
wasn't
it.
#31:
Uh,
right.
That's
.
.
that's the extent of my notes
through the session.
Have you
.
.
.
Well,
have you
any comments to make or any
feel or flavor
or anything you'd like to add to this
(not audible)?
#7:
This whole thing looked so fractured,
I
don't see
how you
can
get anything
out
of
it.
I
didn't have time
to look
at any of them and make
sense out
of any
of them.
I get the perspective
-
if you can make heads
or tails out of them
I
feel
real good about
it,
but not
to me.
#31:
Well,
I certainly think
I
can.
How did you
feel about
your session?
#7:
I
felt
like
I was very
deep.
#31:
Okay.
I was curious.
I have
a note here.
No sooner
than
he started to talk
it seemed then the people
at the other end of the airconditioning duct fired up
their drill and
.
.
#7:
I
didn't hear
them.
#31:
That's
good.
Well
fine.
I
don't have any more.
Thank you very much.
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