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I
see.
. .uh.
.
. I
see
a large... see
a large building
with a. ..there's
like
.. .uh.
. .there's
a
large
entrance door on the front.
It’s
a double door
...and there's.
. .uh.
. .there' s
a some kind of
a landing
or
something
in the back.
. .uh.
. .a
large platform
in
the back and there's doors
to the platform. .. there
'
s
two floors... see
.cage wire.
. wire? caging
inside
on the first floor
.there
' s.
. .uh.
. .a large open
area on the second floor and there's
.
. .uh. . .off ices
on the left side...
you go through
a door and there’s
a stairs and there's a... two hallways and
there
s
/
offices there.
And
there' s. . .uh.
. .there
s only...-
there's only eight or nine maybe... nine people
hers
I didn’t understand you.
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There's only nine people here and they're
in the
office ends of the building.
There's
...uh...
What type of people?
There's.
. .uh.
. .three guards and six hostages..
Three guards are. .
.uh.
. .one has.
. .uh.
. .one has a
looks
like a shot gun. ..looks like a shot gun.
It
s
got a big barrel... I don't understand
it.... it's a
shot gun,
I guess.
And the others have automatic,
rifles,
they also have grenades.
I sense that this
....this building
is got lines
in
it.... a clay
wires ...... type lines
in
it.
They
' re .. .uh. .. they
re
rigged
in the walk
in the walkways.
The hostages
are.
. .there's wires
to
...maybe that's why
I. think
they're clay wires.
The corr idor . .going stairs.,
land there's
a radio here
too,
...there's six male
jj
{ hostages . ... three
to
a room . .... there
' s
thr ee
in
|
one room and three m another
room.
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What floor
are these rooms on?
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J Top of
some stairs
and there's
... uh ... these people
are
taped.
. .there wrists are
tied with white tape...
and
their
(mumbling)
tied with what
looks
like white
tape... and there’s
lights on
in both rooms and there's
a guard
in each
room.
Tell me more about the rest of the building now.
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• There's.
. .uh.
. .appears
to be some kind
of furniture/
J
I
stored
in this
room.
Looks
like. . .uh. .. furniture
j
N and. . .uh. .. some kind of
...some kind of paper
and there’ s .. .uh.
. .some machines of somekind here.
Ok.
There
1 s.
. .uh.
. .storage of .. .uh. . .small area
in cages on the ground floor and there’s. . .uh.
.
.
looks
like
a big open room on the second floor...
right by the offices and
uh....just small things
there.
. .stacks of boxes... not much on
the second
floor .. .they're frightened of these hostages....
I don't know why. .. .they’re paying close attention
to these six.
These six hostages. ... I
sense
that
they. tried to do something. . .and they're
afraid that they'll do
it.. to watch. . .watching
them very carefully
there' s.
. .uh. .. .there'
s
guards outside of
this building by the walls
in
the back and...uh...I don’t know why. .. they. . . why
they're
in the back,
but they’re watching
in the
back.
Look into the inside the building of where they are
and see what's
inside the building.
There’s nothing
in the building but...uh...
storage area. .. (mumbling)
in the back of
the
building
(mumbling)
doesn't make any sense..
I There's.
. .uh.
.
.
(mumbling) ... this building!*
‘ They're fastened.
Fastened to the wires.
?!
From where are they controlled?
Second floor.
The.
. .uh.
. .the triggers are
in
the.
. .uh.
. .hallway with the third guard
these
are met
(mumbling)
stairs. ..uh
corridor
there's
...uh
something on the roof .. .uh. .. there
' s
a
.
] guard on the roof by a door... it's
a guard on the
|
'j roof by
a door
and he's holding
a shot gun
too.
|
' it doesn't make.
. .doesn' t make sense.
Something
(
wrong with
the shot guns... I
don't...
i
What makes you
say
that?
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I don’t
know.
Maybe handle was
funny.
The handle was strange.
Alright,
How many floors does this building
have?
Two.
Two floors.
There seemes
to be
a partial
basement but
it's
a heating
room.
Kind of
a
large heating room and.
uh ... there
1 s nothing
i
j there,
. .never mind
just never mind
/
U These hostages worry them for
some
reason.
PAUSE
I
have no further questions about the target
areas.
If there
is anything you would
like
to add
at this time,
do so now.
/
'...the claymore’ s;:es will take the stairs out
There will be no more stairs
if
the clay wire
are used.
Is there an alternate way to get
to the second
floor?
No.
The.
. .no. .. through the windows. .. .that* s all.
Ok.
Will you draw for me,
those
impressions
that
you had.
Trying to see what’s wrong with those shot guns
but
I can't.
I’m getting
a very strong
impression
that they're very
important but
I
PAUSE
..Feeling my lips bleeding
PAUSE
Can’t see what's wrong with them shotguns ... it
bothers
the hell out
of me
PAUSE
Use
a bag
of popcorn right now,
I’ll tell you.
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(DRAWING
)
Let's
see,
page
there appears
to be
this being
rear
of building
l.....this being
the
f ront. ... .appears
to be two large double doors.,
over here.... and large double door up here....
and staircase appears to come
up like
this and
go out.... some kind
of
railing where these Xs are.
And there
1 s.
. .uh.
. .now
I don't know
if
the hallway
runs down this side of
the building
or
if
it runs
down
this
side of
the building but on
the first
floor which
is page
there's
at
the
top of these landings.....
there's
a guards,
like
this,
and there's
like
guards down here.
There was some guy walking
through this area.
You putting
Xs on page one where the guards are?
Yeah.
Xs with circles around
it.
(turned tape over)
I don't know how exactly these stairs area comes
out here... but there's two hallways.
. looking down
like this
and there's
a door
on this hallway
that's normally closed but
it's open right now.
And there's
like
a
small office here
and
then there's another
small... are group of three
rooms. .. small three rooms with
a door
here...
Jonly one door... and there's some kind of
a teletypes^
| back
in here and these are work areas
*
land these are all empty... all these things are
empty .... down here.
. .appeared
to be small hallway
down
like
this.
. .appeared
to be
a. . .uh .
.
. four
small rooms
And this
is on
the
top floor.
Because
I remember
you talked about
four
small rooms on
the bottom
floor
.
I
can't remember where.
Maybe what
I
shouldddoiis
do
it
by wing.
There's
...uh..in here
there's
a hostage
in this
one.
This one right here.
Get the feeling that
somewhere
in
the hallway there's
a guard.
_And*..uh...
in here
is
a... I'll use
a
star
to indicate
a hostage.
And that
this
is
a woman.
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There's another area
in that end of
the building
had
. ..uh...what appeared to be some kind of
a
waiting room
in
a large office area
and then
a... and even
a larger office area with
a small
gee I'm getting. .. .this
is going
to be
confusing,
I guess.
I can’t remember which floors
these are on.
Well,
perhaps we can listen to the playback of the
tape and you can draw as you describe.
Probably
be
a good
idea.
Because
I distinctly
remember these area but
I can't remember which
floors they were on.
I don't remember where
I
said they were.
Ok.
Why don't you just continue and then we can go
back to the
tape.
Ok.
There's
.. .uh.
. .again by the stairs. . .there'
s
a hallway that you can see a window at the end of.
And,
to the right there's
a waiting area and there's
an interior
off ice.
. .door here... and there's a
door here and there's here... and then there's a
interior off ice... I had the feeling like there's
...uh...two guards
in here and there's
a pair
of hostages
in this room... both male... and there
was another guard outside this door ... and. . .uh.
.
I
think that's the only guards
that were there.
I had a feeling there might be another guard
in
this hallway but he might be out here and strolls
in the hallway once
in
a while.
And back here,
there
appeared
to be two more offices that were empty.
That's page
3.
>
And there was.
. .uh.
. .under
this area... under
the /
area where the teletypes were there was a...uh..K^
long hallway with
a window... a very large
this being
a stair area over here... there was
a
./
I /.
. .uh.
. .like
a
library ... for
some reason
I want to
j
!
I Isay
libr ary .
.
. and
I don't know why.
It's.. was
books or
something
in
this
room.
And
then
there was
.
. .uh.
.
. like
a
small office area... it wasn't
a fully
closed office area.
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a
lot of
desks^arhd stuff
Lot of desks and stuff ...and thep^fhere was a...uh...
there Was
a counter... I
6on\J^fI
don't
think
it was
in this area... it was
acjpa^s on
the other
side... was
another
long hallway
14 kg this on
the other
side.
Then door
, with
spare kind
of
a counter .. .this.
. .this
Wc^s
by the
little. ..the four... had the four offices
at\the re^r^T .
.
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Downstairs.
#01
Yeah. This
is page
4.
Page
is
a continuation of
page
2.
1*11 put
an arrow and say see page
4.
There was
a counter
here
in this big area.
Here was
all desks and .. .uh. .. file cabinets .. .and there was
another area... for
some reason
I
feel
like
it was
a split level... a basement at
the same
time...
'cause there was no windows or anything and there's
like a...uh...a very short hallway .. .and
a
...two
offices side-by-side.
. .and then like
a work area...
it had a
lot of desks,
and safes,
and there was a...
...uh...fire
in that room... and papers everywhere,
all three
rooms.
These two rooms here looked like...
..uh... think
it was
second room,
again... this room
looked like a...uh..some kind of
a mini-briefing
room... and windows here.
. .and.
. .uh.
.
.
#66
Was
there anybody
in there,
now?
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No.
There were but
there's not now.
I'm trying to
remember
this also had a small conference table.
That's back on page
3 where the two hostages are.
There was
a small conference table.
In this waiting
area.... .had a large conference table. .. 'cause.
.
I
remember
there was
a
lot of papers or something
that were stacked
in that room... all over
the
table.
I
felt like there was- np. .. .down here also was like
a...uh...oh hell.... keep wanting
to say kitchen,
but
I
jit's not
a kitchen ... it
' s
an eating area.
. .called
/j
j a quasi-kitchen,
if there
is such
a
thing.
What
kind of doors did they have
in this room down
here?
In
the basement?
This door
I
think
is
a steel door
It's
a
big heavy I'm drawing
in on page
5.
That's
a
steel door.
I
just sensed. .. .uh.
. .there was another
steel door.
No, wait
a minute.
That doesn't make
sense either.
I
had an
impression of both wood and
steel here.
These
two.
The
rest just appeared to be
wooden doors.
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I
left out bathrooms.
There were bathrooms
on
the second
floor
and on this floor.
I
know what
is bothering me about
the bathrooms.
I didn’t
indicate
it here,
but somewhere,
somewhere behind this
room,
I
don
f t know how to
explain
that,
there's
a bathroom.
Page
is building
two.
Better not write
it up
here,
it won't show
up.
Better write
it down here.
#66
This
is
a very large building.
It has an entrance
way here,
and there's
an entrance door down here.
..For
some reason
I sense back here,
some kind of
a
i,
nplatform and there’s a... at least four guards back
ji
where.
And,
I don't know why the back of his
building
is so important,
but there
is
four guards back here.
And this
is like sectioned off,
and this a small
hallway,... and. their
stairs
inter 4or ^ her e
and
. th
i
| is ... uh ... this whole area
back” upin here
is like
? cages,
you
know,
it's like caged areas
in here.
All these squared areas.
I got the feeling
like they
were storing
a lot of furniture
or something down
here.
Applieances,
furniture,
and
stuff.
And this.,
this hallway,
that I'm indicating
inhere,
and these
stairs are the ones that are... that the claymore's
all over
them.
^
-
-
••
'
—
Ok.
Now
is this picture
in
the upper
floor
or
lower
floor.
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Lower
floor.
On this end there's
a partial basement
And there’s like
a heating room area,
boiler
room.
And also this hallway
is like
this,
I
guess,
and
thi
(
door over
this hallway here
and these are
small offices.
There's nothing on the ground floor.
On
the second
floor
of this building
is the same....
This
is page
7.
Here's
the same sign
like
stairs
but that's
a
full wall and there’s
like....
these windows
there
seen windows.
Get
the
feeling
there's like
two big
rooms here and
this
room
And page
is second floor?
Right.
jflsosir.
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This room had three hostages ... and this room
if
had three hostages.
I’m signifying
with the
//
stars again.
There was also
a guard
in each of
these rooms.
The hostages were tied and here
> there was
a guard and the triggers for
the
claymores were out here.
And this was
a
big
bay area which just some small stuff
stacked
way down here.
Nov/ that doesn't make any
sense to me.
I don't remember
seeing
a door
here
in this wall or anything .. .and
I don't
remember
seeing
a hallway going
that way .
Just
a stairs and
a hall this way.
It may be that
that appears to be a second floor bay area and
I'm just looking down on what's stacked on
the lower
floor.
So you are saying that there's not a full second
I
floor,
then?
\
I
I don't know now.
I remember
seeing only this
hallway and the stairs,
though.
Ok.
I don't
know.
I don't
know.
These are definitely
windows here,
though.
I'd be guessing
if
I said
anything about that.
Now
I address your attention to the roof.
How did
the guard get on the roof?
I sense the guard
is
page 8... on
the
roof|
the guard
is on
the roof somewhere
in
this area
and he’s by a door.
Both he,
this guard
is got
. ~.uh...some kind of
a shot gun.
• .there’ s something
wrong with the shotguns and
I don’t know what
it
is.
And this guy,
right here,
that controls
the triggers
to the claymores has got
one.
And there’s some kind
of
a door
here,
also, where this guy on
the
roof
is.
Let me see
the picture.
Maybe
I
can
see
if there’s
a door
or
something down here.
This might even be
a guard standing here.
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As
a matter
of
fact,
now looking
at the overhead
imagery we can see what might be
the shadow of
a
guard on the roof,
right there.
#01
There might be some kind of
a door
or
something there.
There
is apparently
is more guards down here,
too.
If that's what those are.
#66
But what you saw was
#01
What
I
saw was somebody standing
by a door
on this
end of the roof holding
a funny looking shotgun.
#66
Anything you want to add?
#01
Just there's something wrong with the shotgun,
I
don’t know what
it
is... and there' s. . .uh. .
.
I
tried to see how these guards felt and... I got
a flood of two emotions... I got a sense that they
were very,
very important
for
some reason.
I
don't know why... in
a sense that. . .uh.
• .that they
were just guards.
. .only guards. doesn’ t make any
sense to me at all,
but that's what
I got.
That
s
essentially
it,
that and the 4th the rooms might
be a little confused on my
4 diagrams because
I'm
...I forget a
lot of what
I
say.
That's the
best
I can do for you anyway.
#66
Ok.
That’ll do
it.
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