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Yea,
it's possible,
but
I think that you would have
to go
through
an awful lot
of .. .ah.
. .awful lot
of complex.
. .ah.
.
.
ah... I
don't want
to call
it construction,
and
I
don't want
to call
it.
. .ah.
. .structure.
. .and
I... there's
just this...
ah...
melange
of things that are clustered around
it that
I
think you would have
a
lot
of difficulty seeing
this;
these
cylinders from the side clearly.
I
say,
this.
. .ah.
. .this
drawing
in
Page.
. .ah.
. .4 is
a very simplistic outline sketch
of the structure
or whatever
it
is
in
general,
and... ah...
it... it lacks,
you
know,
the complexity that
is really there
as far
as.
. .ah.
. .you
know,
over.
. .overhead wire
or whatever,
tubes,
pipes.
. .ah.
. .there' s connector pieces there.
I
don't
know exactly what their function
is,
but they got tubes going
to them.
. .ah.
. .and.
. .and
a lot
of
it looks
to
be very refined
and detailed work.
I mean,
it's not
like.
. .ah.
. .just
a steel
box,
it's
like.
. .ah.
. .it's
like
a polished stain .. .stainless
steel box with some... some very refined brass machining
or
whatever done
on
the sides and like the baseball type object
had recessed.
. .ah.
. .screw heads
in
it that were
just,
you
know,
really shiny,
polished metal,
you
know,
very well
machined.
It wasn't something that you 'Id buy off the
hardware shelf,
you
know,
put together,
this
is... there
is
.some very sophisticated machine done
in
this.
. .ah.
. .entire
target,
and... ah... I
think that's one
of the reasons why
it's causing me such
a lot of difficulty cause all... the
machining
is so precise,
all the
lines are very,
very clear.
Maybe that's significant for remote viewing,
I don't
know.
There's no fuzzy lines involved here;
it's all very precise,
you
know,
lines.
I
don't... I don't know how to describe
that,
but
it makes
it
very,
very complex.
#66
OK.
And,
you
talk about the drawing
on Page
4,
then... ah...
I
hear
you saying that you're not comfortable with the...
the drawing itself;
that
it doesn't really represent...
#1
It... it... in
a very general way,
as
if... like
if
I were to
draw
a stick figure for
a
man,
that you could comfortably
look at that at any time and say this probably signifies
a
man,
OK.
My drawing
on
Page 4 signifies the placement
of
the major objects that
I've seen,
but doesn't come even
close
to the complexity
of the inter-connecting devices and
everything that were there.
And
I.
. .1.
. .it's.
. .1 would
have to start
at one end and literally target piece
by
piece all the way across the target to develop any kind
of
real. . .ah.
. .ah.
. .accuracy as far as its complexity.
#66
Now,
when you were.
. .ah.
. .outside and originally accessing
the target,
you had
a feeling about
an
orientation of...
of coast line
and.
. .ah.
. .an
air strip and soforth and so
on.
Ah... can you tell me from what perspective you
saw these
various surrounding areas?
For example,
what
I'm asking
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is were you
on
the ground looking out at the horizon
or were you
up
at some altitude scanning
(mumble)
directions.
#1
When
I... when
X
first came
on
the target,
when you... when you
first gave me coordinates,
the first thing that popped
in my
mind was
I
was.
. .ah.
. .probably
150 feet off the ground and
cruising straight down the center
of this concrete highway,
and,
as
I perceived
a parallel narrower road to my
left,
I
got the impression that this isn't
a highway,
so
I...
I
excellerated my speed and altitude at the same
time,
as
if
I
pulling away from
it,
and
I clearly saw that it was
an
air-
port
or what
I
perceived to be
an airport.
Then,
directly
to my front,
I
felt like
I was going
in
a... probably
a
North Northeast direction.
Directly
to my front,
on
horizon,
was
a coast
line and that's when
I started scanning
the area
to... ah... to see
if
I
could locate the significant
target.
And
I
saw. ..then
I
saw flashes,
like what appeared
to be zoom... zoom up flashes
of .
. .ah.
. .this radar site to the
front left and then
the.
. .ah.
. .what appeared to be some form
of
a SIGINT site to my rear right.
. .ah.
.
.
These kind of
things.
. .ah.
. .vehicle parked to my front right.
. .ah.
. .there
appeared to be.
. .ah.
. .some kind of barracks
or billet type
buildings to my immediate left back over my shoulder behind
the.
. .ah.
. .air strip area.
. .ah.
. .coastal road,
rolling hills,
ah.
. .mountains behind me.
It was like this was all,
you
know,
rapid fire sort
to speak,
just all coming at one time.
And.
. .ah.
. .for some reason,
I
just zeroed down
on this...
ah... this structure type thing with the cylinders.
#66
OK.
#1
The.
. .ah.
. .the radar site,
at
first,
when
I .. .ah.
. .pictured
that was.
. .ah.
. .was
a very,
you
know,
a very close zoom
type effect,
and
I though that might
be the... the target,
so
I
was sort
of flipping back at that,
you
know,
sort
of
like
a flash,
and
I.
. .ah.
. .backed away from that to where
I
could describe that
it was
a radar site.
And... ah... I had
the... about the same effect with the.
. .ah.
. .what
I believe
to be probably
a SIGINT facility
to my rear right.
I was
up very close
to
it and
I backed off
a little bit to see
what
it was.
Got the impression
it was
a SIGINT
site.
Ah.
. .there's. ., ah.
. .quite
a bit
of significant.
. .there's
a
lot
of significant objects
on the ground
in this
area,
and.
. .ah.
. .why
I wound up
at these particular cylinders,
I
don't
know.
#66
GK.
I 'Id you
to talk
a little bit now about your ability
to see through things and how you felt about looking at
the various target areas.
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#1
Well.
. .ah.
. .when
I... when
I
looked at all the targets,
I
was getting,
you
know,
just
like visual pictures.
I wasn't
having
any trouble.
When
I
settled
on this... this particular
tube like target,
what my first impression of what
I saw was
a glinting silver cyliners.
Sunlight gleeming off these
cylinders.
And... ah... a
lot
of angular hard concrete type
construction,
what
I
call reinforced concrete.
. .ah.
.
.
hardstand and stuff,
and there was very,
very little detail.
I
think what captured me was the... almost the spun aluminum
effect for the cylinders and the... the angular .. .angularities
of the concrete.
But then when
I tryed to zoom
in
and
concentrate
on this particular target,
the.
. .the.
.
. I think
the precision and the sophistication
involved in this target,
for some reason,
caused me to see everything
in... in... in
relief,
what
I
call relief.
Everything was very .. .ah.
. .was
crystaline clear,
you
know,
but everything was very precise,
there was no fuzzy
lines,
and.
. .ah.
. .then
I realized that
I
was actually seeing through the objects,
and
I... I
don't
know why.
I was seeing them
in the fourth dimension
as
if
there was no solids;
I
was
just looking through everything.
And,
I
guess,
the only portion that
I wasn't looking through
was
the.
. .ah.
. .the hardened concrete
and,
for some reason,
these three big... these three large exhaust vents
on
Page
4.
I
saw
in very precise sharpness
the.
. .ah.
. .the hatch... the
hatching work over
the.
. .ah.
. .the exhaust vents,
you
know,
that was very clear
in
detail.
But for some reason
I
didn't
look through the exhaust vents.
I
don't... I
don't know how
to explain
it.
#66
OK.
#1
May... maybe
it was
a different interest
in this target.
Maybe
I had to see through
it.
. .ah.
. .from an interest
standpoint where the others were clearly identifiable to me
or something that
I
didn't,
you
know,
didn't require that
necessity.
#36
It looked as
if the banana shape was oriented roughly
vertically toward the sky.
Is there any significance to
that?
#1
Ah... the banana shape,
I
don't about
it oriented towards
the sky;
it was... the actual... the length... the length part
of
it,
the
long part
of
it,
was horizontal to the earth,
and.
. .ah.
. .there was a... about a... I would call
a
20 degree
arc
or sweep.
This thing was rotating,
but was
only doing
chopped arcs,
you
know,
it was...
#36
OK,
I
see how you got
it here,
I...
I
thought this was dish
pointing vertically,
I...
I
see
it has sort
of...
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#1
No,
no,
no.
That's the back,
you're looking at the back.
I'll write back on
it.
#36
Yea,
I
see
it now.
I recognize what
it... OK.
#1
That would be sort
of
like
a... a collector type thing.
#36
Yea,
OK.
That's all
I
have.
#66
Do you have
a feeling for where
in the world this target
is?
#1
South America somewhere,
I would imagine.
Ah... I
get that
impression from the jungles and the.
. .ah.
. .the climate.
I
had.
. .ah.
. .ah.
. .warm sensation
there,
tropical type
sensation.
I probably say
in South America somewhere.
#66
OK.
Anything you want to add?
#1
No.
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