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rows
of tables and chairs.
Whereas,
you
know,
there
could
'ave been
a hundred people in
there,
but
it was
closed.
There was only
five
o r seven
in
there.
SG1A
Okay.
Back to^^^Hand
the docket.
He's reading,
he's,
he's pointing
to this book,
and
this book,
which
I
looked
at,
resembled
a,
ah,
it was resembled
a notebook
at first.
A loose-leaf notebook with black covers on
it.
And,
the pages were
glossy.
As though he had glossy
fillers,
and there was some feeling of handwritteness
about it.
But,
then
I
said,
wait
a minute.
Look at this
thing again
very closely,
and
I
got back
in to look at
this book.
The book maintained its original size
of
like 8% by
10 notebook size,
but the pa-the pa-, the cover
the binding on it had this crinkley
orange,
bufclhlagk
crinkley orange peel
type of covering, and
I
got this
feeling that it was
a bible.
Maybe no t even in a... well,
of course,
who knows what the foreign tongue
is there...
some sort of
a bible
in some sort of a tongue which
is
different
in size than what
the bibles are usually
in the
United States.
They're usually
like
6 inches
by
8 inches
at the most.
But,
this
is
a little bit bigger than that.
It's notebook size.
Black,
orange
peel type,
groved
co \er
on it,
and the cover
is when
I
looked at the second
time became much smaller,
thinner.
Became thin,
like
about a texture
of what
a duotang folder,
ah, maybe
a little
bit thicker than that,
but certainly not the heavy cardboard
of the
o riginal notebook idea that
I
had.
The pages
SGI A
remain glossy,
and
u/as spending his
time,
I
forget
what it was he said to me several times in there.
. .that’
s
on the
tape,
but was spending his time. .. .pointing like
down
to the pages.
Like this
is where
he
got the word
for his messages from where the,
from the pages
of
this
book.
And,
I
remember it being generally considered
to
be
a really quite disgusting situation that some commi
spy
like this would actually have the guts to use
a bible
as being his codecil
(phonetic)
whatever,
and
I
remember
him feeling sort 'a like,
well you smucks,
what do you
expect me
to use,
you
know.
You know,
it was sort' a of
like this superior feeling
of
ha,
wasn't this
a
good one
to
pull over
on you
guys,
you know.
Anyway,
I
crawled across
the pages of this thing.
He's,
very spontaneously
I
got the feeling
that a passage
regarding lamb and sheep,
lambs and sheep in some sort
of
a quasi-bibical.
. .or some sort of a... what do you call it...
proverbial sense was maybe being used as an example.ori
something.
I don't know,
and that is located like
on the
bottom,
upper part of
the bottom half
of the page.
I
was
crawling across
the page on the left-hand side.
He's
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pointing
to
it.
I was trying to figure out what page it
was,
and
I... I
felt like that it was like 213 or 214 was
the page number.
Okay.
So,
by this time.... I'm familiar with codes and
cyphers,
particularly,
you
know,
this
type
of thing,
and
I'm saying
to myself,
sort of sub-consciously saying to
myself,
well,
this is really,
this is
too easy,
you
know.
This went out when.... you know,
this type
of
a system went
out ages ago,
you
know.
You use
a common book,
and you use
common page number and
line number,
and everybody knows
what your messages
are.
Ah..... okay.
So,
anyway,
that was
all
I was getting was
that,
and
I
sort of felt that it was
a little unrewarding,
but,
I mean,
you
know,
if this
is
what he wanted,
and you asked me
if
he was being truthful,
and
I
thought he was being truthful about it.
I
didn't
necessarily think that this was all of it thought.
I
sort
of felt unfulfilled,
I
guess.
SG1A
All right.
So,
while
I was sitting around, ^^^was
speakin g at the docket.
Like making his confession,
or
whatever,
I
guess
I
asked,
well,
maybe something
I
can do
is find out where this book
is.
So,
I
said where
is this
book hidden,
you know.
Where,
where did he hide this book,
something.
I
popped
to sketch four which
is
a familiar
sketch,
but my
view of
it was really
twisted.
I
was around
in the corner looking ou t at the back
of the bookcase
in
sketch
4.
And,
this black,
ah,
bible,
prophesy thing with
big splotches
of possible fancy paragraph lettering,
which
I
failed to mention,
but,
okay,
do later,
is located on the
wall end of
a shelf
in this open book shelf, which sits by
this doorway ,
which
I
take it
to be the same place
as
in the
session last week.
Ah,
I
had him writing,
doing something at the desk,
listening
to earphones,
and the only way
I
can describe identifying
the shelf
is relative
to another feature in the
room.
In the
foreground
is
a table top,
and
the plane
of that table top
cuts across the shelf,
cuts across the bookcase,
and
the shelf
is about
to
12 inches above that plane of intersect.
And,
that's where
he keep,
kept.
. .figure out where you're talking
about.
If
I
talk about while he's in the docket that
is where
he had kept the book.
I'm talkin g about here, and now.
This
is presently
is where he keeps the book,
unless the
book
is already
b
policed up or something.
Okay.
After
that,
4,
number
4,
sketch
4,
I sort of still
was feeling a
little unresolved,
and,
oh,
let me go on....
sketch
6 is
a close-up of the book as
I
remember looking
at
it.
Some sort of fancy
dan printing with big bl—
printing inside of big blotches.
Like first letters in
each paragraph something
is
on
it,
and again it's the glossy
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pages,
and everything.
This
is what he had before in
the
docket or
on the podium... he was talking.
Okay.
After
having gone through all this and being so preoccupied with
this book,
I
felt that there must be somethin g more.
And,
I
think this was about at the end
of
the session,
and
you sort of gave me
some free time
to work.
Right at the
very end,
very,
very
end
of
the session,
before
al^^before you terminated the session,
I'm hovering around
SGI A
and he's in the docket.
I'm sort of throwing
at him
like,
you gotta be kiddin'
me.
This
can't be all there is
to
it.
I
mean,
this is
I was
incredulous,
is what
I
was,
I was incredulous
in the
sense that
I
was just the... you want to call it.....
the elementariness
of the whole system thus far described
and the archaicness
of the whole system thi^^^^described.
SG1A
I
really was sort of appaled at a
guy like^^^^|was just
be doing that.
And,
as
I'm sitting there sort of throwing
these questionable, questioning vibs out watching him in
the docket,
he reaches down beside him,
I
can't tell
if
it's inside the or if it's on
a little table just outside
the docket,
and he holds up
the thing that looks like
a pocket calculator,
something. .. .he holds something up
in his hand that
is. ... .calculator
like.
It's black plastic
and metallic,
electronic,
something funny
like
that,
that's
a little bit bigger than
the palm of his hand,
you know.
He holds it
up,
and he's like showing it
to the Magistrate
like,
this was only
the first part,
and then
I
had
to do
it with this,
this
is the second part,
is this thing that
I'm holding in my hand.
And,
that was just at the
very
end.
That was when
I was
in the free-flow type situation.
#66:
Okay.
Anything else you want to add?
#10.5:
Nope.
That's about
it.
That's all
I
got.
#66:
Okay
.
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