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I wanted to put
a
(mumbling)
cap on him.
The flip
up classic. .uh. .ear flaps and everything.
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I have no further questions about this target.
Now,
I would like to give you the opportunity
to add anything that you would like to
add.
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I
don’t have anything.
All right.
I'd like you now to draw the
perceptions that you have had.
Ok.
The first thing
I had was
a image
of some
sort of an entrance way
...that
is what
I called
an overpass or underpass.
It's like
a drive
through place.
Doing this in magic-marker
so
i
don't
Ok.
It was like the building wall.
The little
black square here
is the underpass thing.
Like
that.
Ok.
What
we end up with... the roof
line...
here.. the thing that was
so hard to describe is.,
you know what McDonald's roof
line looks like...
it's
a roof line like that.
Ok.
It
jets out.,
vertical.
. .has these lines into here that
I'm
drawing
in.
Ok.
Then,
it goes around the dam
corner.
This is sort
of
a quasi aerial view
over here.
Ok.
This is the first view
I
had.
And,
it's got this slated exterior.
At least the
place
I was had
it.
Like that.
Ok.
This thing
goes
on.
Now,
here
is thething that
I referred to
as being the overpass.
We'll bring
it
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Ok.
And the building goes off like that.
And this
is this building here,
which
I have the feeling
is in
a hillside,
ok,
but dug back
in
a hillside.
I'll do it
all right.
So here
is the overhang
continues on
and this separate thing. .. .which
is
a separate building thing. ... .and there is.....
my first impression was that it was
a solid flanking
Diece,
ok.
Like that.
The term overpass
is this thing here.
that we generally use to be something that goes
over
a highway
or freeway.
You use that word now
In describe an area that
is sheltered
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. .but opened.
But opened.
Passed through.
Instead of an overpass,
it's
like an underpass.
But,
I
used the first wor
that came into my head.
You know.
Because
I
was just getting on target.
Sure.
Ok.
It's an open space but covered over
the top.
Right.
Inside of
a building or structure
of
some kind.
I'll do another view of that.
Dk
Draw me
an arrow there
to show that... where
Lt black thing is... that kind of like an entrance
to the building or...
Right.
I had the feeling
it was like opened all
the time.
It's jest
a hole in the wall.
V°u
can oo right through
it any time of the day.
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didn't get the feeling that there was any kind
a thinq that closed
it off or anything.
It
s
like two separate buildings connected by
a roof.
That's all.
That's what I'm trying to talk
about by overpass.
Ok.
Entrance,
and
I
11 call
it overpass
in quotations for corre
tape.
All right.
It looks like this on
2.
Taken from the direction
of the arrow it would
look like this.
Actually,
those things should go
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then here into the present foreground is that,
ok.
And,
there's
a recline along there like that.
This building just disappears into the distance
lu the way back.
Ok.
That's the right building
here
just disappears into the distance and here
i^he foreground,
left,
is the other building,
ok.
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Bo,
draw me an arrow that says I’m looking
.
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Looking under
a
(mumbling).
Now,
this thing
is...
the darkness... I' 11 draw the darkness with a shadow.
Unfortunately,
this is only really two dimensional
here,
and
it shouldn't have been.
Uh..it's shadowy
in under there because it's
in
How large
is this?
This
is the 35 to 40 feet across thing.
Ok.
I
can drive
in there as opposed
to walking.
Riqht and this is the right building.
. .looking.
.
.
I want
to call this.
. .looking between two buildings
under
the underpass.
. .for lack of
a better word..
ok .
.
Now,
3.
Let's say
I moved
in
a little bit closer
in under this overhang.
Oh,
Wait
a minute.
_
There's one thing
I want to put on.. and this is the
...this lattice shingle feeling
of the wall,
ok.,
and here's all shingle feeling of the wall.. like
this.. and.. that.. you know.. I had the feeling you
could.. like see the overhanging pieces of......
the overlaping pieces of
u/ood along the edge
or
the
building.
Like that.
You know how you
lay one and
you
lay another piece of wood on top of
it.
Is that
lap work?
Well,
it's not
lap work.
It's
just normal wood
construction.
You know.
So that the water doesn
fall
in the crack.
It runs off.
It doesn
t fall
in the crack.
t
Ok.
Overlaping wood piece.
Riqht.
Wood construction.
Wood siding.
Overlaping
wood siding.
I
guess.
All right.
Moving into
close and in under this overhang is this feeling
on the left side here.
I'll draw
a cut-away.
On
the left side
is this overhang,
ok.
It's got these
funny
rivulets in
it.
Rivulet shape.
Then here
s
the wall.
Like
that.
All the way
down.
This is
....you know
and here is....
I
had the feeling
it was just
a standard
2 by 4 frame piece of wood
and looking inside this sucker now,
this disappears
off into the horizon.
Ok.
Drawing this thing
is
really weird.
It's just
a bare wall.
It
s like
...I
remember....!
said there's nothing around
it.
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It's
iust like somebody took a buzz
saw,
built
a
house? ... -a wooden house... end took a buzz saw and
cut
a big hole
in the wall.
You know.
You re
standing there and here’s this raw wood.
I mean
there's no molding there's no nothing there.
It
s
just raw wood.
You're
just looking
a
^
wooden edge and,
that’s when
I
got the feeling that
this thing was covering something.
It wasn t
a permanent type
of building,
concrete and cement,
or anything like that.
That it was just this wooden
frame building that had been constructed
to
c
something,
and this thing here was this large bay
Teh is
down here on the left of two
ok
Which
when
I first looked at
it was just open.
I had this
feeling of open darkness back in there,
ok.
S
number
3 is looking. . . -looking t
he 1 f
..znszde
the overpass,
ok.
mis is rne euye
About how long this passageway continues?
This
covered passageway.
About how long is
.
On one it's not very big.
So going back to one
to
answer your question I'll say that this
is may
60 feet,
ok.
This area in here then becomes open.
That
is open,
right.
That
is open area in there.
And,
how long are the buildings themselves?
Well,
I didn't get
a feeling.
I can show you an
aerial of the building.
I had the feeling at the
top
of
one,
this building that seemed to go off
on
the back of the hillside and was almost dug into
the back
of the hillside
is this feeling. .. .very
,
very close to
the back of this hill and skinny.
You know.
It was abnormally skinny.
It was as
though there was more
of
it hidden away from my
sight because
it was only
a little skinny
thing...
that was the thing that was
a couple of hundre
meters long. .. .that' s the thing that felt to be
real big,
real big.
When
I was first going
it
I'll depart now.... ok,
just for
a mmu
e.
When
I was first going into it.... four is my
_
second impression.
These things came later.
Two
and three came later.
Four
is my second impiession
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Overhang there.
Way down into ths distanco there
is overhang and here
is building coming back into
the foreground.
Like this.
I
had the feeling that
the building
on
appendage. .. .the one away from
the hillside
is shorter than the one along the
hillside.
So I'll show it
like this.
And,
this is
the overpass seen from different. .. .seen from other
end not different end.... other end.
Like that.
So,
you're telling me then if
I went... when
I
go.,
if
I was to
zip way
down the other end of this and
turn around and look back that's what
I'd see.
Absolutely.
If you were to go to the far left end
of sketch one
and look then you would see this type
of
a view.
These two buildings never come together again
down there.
No,
no.
They're opposite all the way down.
Tell me
a little bit more about this... this thing
that's close to the mountain.
Can you tell me
whether
or not
it
is part of the mountain
or
is not part
of the mountain?
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I don't know.
I'll tell you
one thing about
it
that's not voiced on the tape.
That is when
I
was about in the situation
of viewing the sketch
two,
and as
I moved
in under in order to
go
to
sketch three,
ok,
I had the distinct feeling that
the long skinny building to my
right turned into
a
loading dock,
ok.
A covered loading dock.
I had
the feeling
of
a.. that
it was.. that
it was
a platform
in there.... was platform and wood holding up the
risers,
you
know.
. .wooden posts.
So
I'll draw that.
I was going to draw that as
a different. ..in other
words,
here... that this was
a
...I
don't know how to
describe
it... that had
a dock on
it.
Is what
I
mean.
I was going
to include but,
I'm only
talking abo
where
I
was,
what time.
This feeling here.
Ok,
here.
Let me see... let me draw
3.
This thing became very
bio.
That's our overpass. .oh,
our overhanging roof
...ok..
It's not
a simple box.
That's the problem.
The front face
of the building became that type
ot
a shape.
Having
a dock on
it,
like that.
See.
I didn't want to put railroad tracks or anything
driving
in under this
...you know. .. .moving. .. .or
road
anything.
So
I didn't.
As far as
I m
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