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a place that had
a
tvi/o layered low ceiling.
I'll
draw on
the feeling that
there was
a ceiling here
and
the ceiling went back
like this and came
down.
Like
this.
Like
a carved
out subxceiling within a
room.
These ceilings here
the forward face
of
the ceiling would be circles. .. .had circles
on
it
which at first
I
thought were lights
but,
I
hesitate
to call
them lights.
The underlayer
of this false
ceiling
or
this ceiling section had these circles on
it
os well.
There,
that makes
it look
a little bit
better.
That goes like that perspective wise.
All
right. That's
it.
All right here's
a corner.
Do
I
go ahead and change
that
(mumbling)
This is the ceiling here
and here
is the section with
the dots
on
it
is this lowered section
of ceiling that
comes down.
That was
1.
Then,
I
had
the feeling that
was moving
to
the wall
or had moved
to the wall when
I went to
...I
had
as though
I was leaning against that wall with my
right shoulder and
here... that was the false
l
ceiling and that leaning on
the wall here
on
the
rill/V/
side of
the ceiling thing... that
in this wall were
\J v
squares cut... or not cut.... were squares.
Now my
perspective
is all shot
to hell,
now.
Like
this.
That's not bad,
I
guess,
now that
I
think about
it-
0k.
Like
this.
Many squares as though
they were
drawers
or lockers at.... I
thought they might have been
lockers
or pull-out drawers with curious little rings
on
the
top
of each
one
of
then,
ok.
Small
rings.
Finger size
rings where you
simply
insert
an
index
finger and
it will
slide
up over your finger and you
give
it
a
tug,
ok
That should
go like
that.
There wk
go.
Like
that.
That's
the feeling.
This was
in an
illuminated area... same curious circular pattern
ceiling here
and,
this
is some sort
of
a long
narrow
as
we
go
on will show
ok
#14
0k.
Why
don't
I
go ahead
and turn the tape over now?
#31
0k.
#14
#31
0k
.
We
' re
Already
I
had the feeling
of standing in
the New Yor
^subway
on
a landing
...not
that it's
in
(\fe\i7
not
that it's
in
Ned Turk,
but
rrilor
tihi
i
l
y ...
. picture train pulling that's
long
hall ... .people
get off and stand
on
this
lighted
landingl
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k
in under
the earth... and,
you know
along
the
II
back wall
of
this landing
are these
locker square
w
that are built into
a nice shiney ‘linoleum
or.. or
shinny polished
stone.
That's important.
It's
a
very
light
and bright polished
stone and there's
light
out here... or
at
least... it may
not
be coming
from those circles but there
is light emanating down.
(Mumbling)
Th e
feeling
out
he re was
that there was
some sorj^rf
1^ Gm
.
. tunnel snape^hi^L^ajro along here
likp*<3f?other ... ok ... thing
like this
wKic?T
,,N41s appendage
h^it.
This
is the
thing.
It’s off
this
tunnfesl^.
It’s
Mke
an anti-step
or
side
step
off thi s tunnel
thing.
SorfHwui thnnn
two
4 crggt HST
T
That
*"s not
a good sketch.
But,
this
is darkened
tunnel.
This
is
a darkened hall
or
tunnel.
All
right.
This light
label
that
I have here,
I
just underlined
it
at
the
end
of
this thing
does not mean
that there
is light
at
the
end.
It
is
to mean
that there
is light
inside this
thing.
The
end itself
is
dark
as well.
My
first
imagery
there.
Polished stone here,
and
this facing
here
felt
like polished
stone.
Marble.
I
had
the
feeling
that the facings
on these drawers
or whatever
they
are,
that these were
also stone but
I
didn't
feel
that
they were metal
or anything.
None
of this was
a metal feeling
like
that.
It was
very,
very weird.
Then
I
had
a feeling that
I
was inside
one
of these
...the
one
that
I
was drawn
to... ok,
was about...
I
kept
like being drawn
to one which
..or
one
of these
squares which was about chest high
and
just
to
the
right
of
center,
I
think
just
to
the right
of
center
as though
it was... as though
it was... say
the
one with
the
X
in
it.
All
right.
In
I
had
this feeling
of peaking
out
of
the drawer
or peaking
out
from behind
one
of
these squares.
That
was
a really weird
feeling.
It was
as though ... there
was
just
a small crack
of
light... ok.
Really bizarre!
I
can't
get over
it.
Just
a small crack
of
light
and looking out
I
could
see,
you
know,
these things
that were
out
on
the landing.
These circular things
here,
ok.
The hallway ceiling
on
the other
side
of
it..
was dark
ok
somehow those .... somehow those
connect together
and
then
this darkness here which
was
the
far side
of
the room
was dark
or where
this hall was was dark.
This
is
all dark here.
Crack
of
light
looking
out
of
the,
because
that
1 s precisely
what
I
was doing,
wall
through
a small
crack.
All
right.
Where was
I.
For
some
reason
I
automatically bounced
and
I
had
the
feeling
of
an aerial view
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very
long,
very,
very peculiarly
long
a?
rskinny building with many windows in
it.
Winders
in
it
like
that.
That should be relocated back
Inhere
I
drew...
the building without putting
dnrflT—nn
tlgr nnr end
of
it.
The spire
of some
kind.
Tall and skinny ahd
I
shaped;—ok.
Oh,
in that..uh.
the
roof
is peaked,
like that with lines
in
it.
As though
it was slate
or
tile.
All
right.
Then
I
went back
in.
That was all
I
got back there.
Then
I
went back
in.
Drawing back into this place
5.
What was my next one
then.
Again,
I
found myself
just standing
on this
thing that resembled
a subway
or
some sort
of
a room off
a dimly
lit hallway
looking
and bouncing
off these squares.
But,
then
I
got the
feeling
that,
ok,
here
in
the foreground was
a wall
and
in
the background was my wall.
We'll call
it
my
wall,
ok with all
the squares
in
it there.
0k.
These are ordered squares.
I'm just sorting
of
looking
through here because
I'm.. .five minutes of square
drawing
is
a little too hard for anybody
to handle.
I haven't been
in this game
for awhile
ok
these squares
ok
these are
the squares with
the little
"D"
rings
in
'em.
Again
the feeling of...
ok.... here
is this overhead which makes the false
ceiling
of this place.
0k.
Probably should eliminate
that.
Yeah.
Eliminate that because this false ceiling
comes around
it.
It's part
of this hallway.
0k.
This
is
the. .. .there' s this circles that are in the false
ceiling part that
is going up ano this is the
...I'll
call
it side
of ceiling false,
ok.
This is looking
in
from the hall.... hall question mark because
I don't
know what
it
is.
Moved back up
to
the wall again and sketch
2 had taken
on
a slightly modified complexion and that
is that here
ok,
ok,
uh.
. .and here
is
the darkened hall going off
like
that.
Now,
how do
I
describe
that?
Darken hall
going
that way,
ok.
Darkened ceilin g there
and
I
felt
it was elevated,
toe,
by
a s^porhjo.
0k,
this
is
the
dark,
darken hall going
th is way\and back here,
ok.
And,
here
is thejj^Hted "ared ,'ek^smd ,
this
is,
in
fact,
a walJ^kr^eT
A screened wall
elk the end.
Like
a
partitioneaKwall.
Something
that
coraes back
in
like this
I'll callrit
a
false wall,
ok,
and J^iat here
on this
side shielded
from the
front,
unless you
look
for
it,
was
a split'tteQ^ok.
A doublg^door.
And
then... in
other words
thet-ludble-dnOT"”'would
be behind.
.
. .ok
on
sketch
I'll,
I'll show you
in dotted
lines.
The
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door would be here behind this wall
if you looked
at
it
right
from the
front.
0k.
I'll add
to
here
an edge
of
some kind because.it
is
an edged...
edge
edge
of quote
landing
ok,
and then this
is dark here because
that's out in the hall
Icause
you're looking in the hall.
0k.
Back
to sketch
6.
. .uh. .these are
the door....
and
then again are.... I 'll
just draw one
set with
ditto marks.... I
don't know what
I'm going
to do....
ok.... and
then here again
are these funny
things....
you can see them in the wall,
ok,
ok,
like
that.
Now the only other
thing.... the only
next thing
I
can
do
for you is you
said the wall was no problem.
Now
for some
reason,
I really did not want
to go through
the wall.
I
really had this very overpowering sensation
what
I
was looking
for
and
the
guy
I
was looking
for
was
in
the wall.
0k.
All sorts of very bizarre thoughts
was going through my mind.
None of them good.
[i
I
had the image
of him stuffed into
a locker.
I
had
the
[image
of him
on
a slab
in
a morgue.
I
did
not have any
good feeling at all up
to this point.
Very,
very,
heavy ... .uh. .. .negative feeling.
0k.
And,
then,
whethe
I was making something more from this point
on
I don't
know.
0k.
Then
I had
the feeling that yes,
I
could...
I couldn't go through
the wall but
I could go around
it.
All
right... and,
so
I went down
to where this double
door
is
....the other end
of
at the distant end
of sketch
6,
there.
I
proceeded
through this double
door
and immediately upon proceeding through the door
I
felt
the catacomb.
Now
I
felt
the catacomb feeling
before.
I was getting feelings
of carve
out rock
and everything,
but
I
didn't have
any imagery
of
it.
I
felt
that
I was
in underground. .. .definitely underground
type thing. .. .ok. ... .1
went through
the double door
and it's as though
on doing sc
I
entered
the catacomb
idea.
In other words,
a carved
out
rock passageway
that
led off away from the building even,
but
it went off
somewhere,
and that my
guy was actually hiding
in
a
little carved
out room
in part
of this catacomb which
was behind this funny wall that
I
kept looking
at
ok.
And,
that's when
I
was talking about cloister...
not cloister but
I was talking about grotto and
grotto underground,
hiding away.. .you
know.
. .hidden
away
from people.
So for
I'll draw you an overhead
type diagram.
Probably
the best way
to describe
it.
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