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Seems
like
they're
-
I
still
get them
in
the same quadrant
I had them
in originally.
Seems
like some decorative brick walls.
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IIAD THEM
IN
IS BASICALLY THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT?
Yeah,
I
got
them out about
this
far
-
it's
not
far away
-
I'd say in
this
direction over here about
-
feels
like
a mile
to
a mile and
a
half.
They
don't
feel
as
far away,
and
I'm not
looking at
the
time continuum.
They actually don't
feel
as
far away.
I'd say
that
it
is
about
-
not
half
the distance
they were
to
the marina,
and
it
seems
to be on
a
line
just
about
in
that direction but
just
a hair more
-
rather
than
a
direct
line
from here
to
the marina
-
they seem to be just slightly more to
the
left
of
that
line.
I
was
looking back
to where he had
the car parked and
it
seems
like
it's
on asphalt
then
a
curb
in
front,
and
then it's
like
a
dirt walkway and
then
a
sidewalk.
But
I
can see eucalyptus buds on
the ground and some
branches
of eucalyptus
there.
One
of
the most
dominant
things
to me
in the way
of unusualness
is
the
size
of
the oak tree
that
I'm looking
at.
Looks
like an arboretum,
or
I
get
the definite
feeling of
flowers.
Almost
get
the
feeling
like it's commercial
flowers.
In
fact,
the most predominant feeling
that I'm getting right now
is
flowers.
Don't
know why
iris particularly.
There's something about
the windmill
that
I
was going
to look
at.
Wasn't
that what you were....?
Be
like
one you'd almost
see
in
a miniature golfcourse
.
.
. the windmill.
Has
all
the construction and detail but not
as
large
-
it's
fairly small.
Seems
to be made out
of
dark redwood and it's
kind of aged.
I'm going
to
try
to
look more directly
to
them.
Let's
see,
there's Bart
and Hal,
and behind Bart
is Judy and behind Hal
is Phyllis,
kinda
stag-
gered
there.
Looks
like
a
possible small pool
of water
-
like
a garden pond.
Looks
like
a
little bridge.
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was
trying
to get
the
feeling of what
type
of an area
it
was.
Let mo elevate
a
bit.
I'm
looking at much too small
an area.
There's
some greater significance
there
that
I
feel
I'm definitely not
looking
at
-
let's jack up
a
bit,.. maybe 500
feet.
I
see
a
lot
of
trees.
I
see Judy’s
red hair and her brown eyes and her flashing
teeth
-
she
has beautiful
teeth.
Hadn't really
looked at
them before.
Phyllis and her are
talking about something and Hal and Bart
are talking
about something and he's pointing
at something and
it
seems
to me
that
lie's pointing over
to what
I'd call
a windmill
or something that
looks
like
a windmill.
The water
I
see
looks more
like
a pool
or
a pond
than
it
does
-
you
know,
-it's
not big
like
a
lake
-
not very
large,
but
it
looks
like
a
definite
pool.
Right where
they're at
I
don't hear
too much
traffic noise
-
it
seems
to
be
fairly quiet.
Looks
like
a
li ttle wooden walkway.
Feels
a
little early,
but
it
kinda seems
like
they're retracing
their
steps heading back
toward
the
car,
but
they're
still moving quite
leisurely.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN ON THE PLACE FROM ABOVE,
CAN YOU GET ANY FEELING FOR
THE
-
IS THERE ANY OVERALL LAYOUT OR PLAN?
When
1 went up
I
could
see trees and
stuff,
and
I
kind of
got
the
feeling
of
like
in
a corner
of
a
golf course,
you know
- where
there would be
a
lot
of
trees overhanging
the green and some things
in there
-
that seemed
to be out of context,
but when
I
elevated,
that's what
I
got.
It
kind
of
looked
like an overlap
to
me,
so
I
didn't
talk about
it,
but
I
will.
When
I
elevated
it
kind
of
felt
like
it was
right over
the
corner
of
a
golf course of
some
kind,
with
a street running down one side,
and
they
are
fairly close
to
that.
In
fact,
the bricked area
that
I
looked at
or
like
a patio thing kinda
looks
like
a
walkway.
Seems
like there's small building
-
small meaning
not
tall
-
looks
like
a
single story building.
Looks
like
it has
a
flat
roof
-
slightly
pitched.
Looks
like
4 x
4 poles supporting
it
-
has
a
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canopy out
over
it.
They're painted white,
place
looks
like very possible
Light yelLow or cream color.
They're walking not
too
far from that.
Still seems
to me
that
they're
on
a
dirt pathway.
In
the
area
that
they're
in now
I
get
flowers again
- where before
they
kinda
fell
out
of
the
flowers.
Looks
like maybe 80-100 yards
from where
they are
-
looks
like
guys
on
a motor scooter.
They can see
them.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY
IS THE INTEREST TO THIS PLACE?
WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT
THIS PLACE?
It seems
to be
a
kind of
a
recreational,
relaxed. ,, not energetic
-
looks
more
relaxed.
I'd say
it's
kind of combination recreational
and relaxation
area
that
I'm getting out of
it.
That would be
the
general
character
of
it.
Two aspects
-
one
is aesthetics and
the other
is
a
kind
of
a mild recre-
ational
area.
There
seem
to be
some unique
features
-
I
don't have
it
totally into
context
as
yet.
There's
a
number
of
things
that
I've rejected
-
looked
at
and
rejected saying.
First,
I
got
the
impression
that
it was kind of
like
a miniature
golf
course
-
I
rejected
that.
Merely from saying
it
-
I
didn't reject
the
principle
-
I
just rejected saying
it.
Then
I
kind of got
the
idea
of
a standard golf course
-
I
also rejected
that
on
the same principle,
so
I'm just trying to describe
the
terrain.
Seems expansive
-
doesn't seem cluttered.
Just
got
a
flash of
something that reminded me
of
the gyroscope
-
gimbals
on
the gyroscope.
Drinking
fountain
-
looks
like
it's made out
of
kinda
like field stone
built
up
into
a
fountain.
.. bowl
.
I'm going
to elevate again and
go
through
a search quadrant again.
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I
.still
get
them in that general
location,
so
that
seems
to set all
right.
Distance
- maybe
a mile,
mile and
a
half.
Doesn't seem much farther-
s cents
fairly
close.
The area
has
an awful
lot
of grass,
lot
of
trees
-
looks
like dirt walk-
ways,
well
trimmed.
I
can see
the arbor,
and
the arbor could
be
a place
to sit
and
be out
of
the direct
sun.
May
be
a
few
little
tables and benches
and chairs
in there.
That
outlooks
over quite
a
grassy area
-
there
are quite
a
few
trees.
I
see basically
an
oak.
Right
after
they
got out of the car
I
could
see some eucalyptus
buds
and branches
on
the
ground,
and
it
seemed
like
the
trees were
there.
Looked
like
they got out of
the
car,
stepped upon
a
curb,
dirt
parkway,
a sidewalk,
and
then
they went
into
this
area.
I
get
the
feeling
this
windmill
type
thing
-
that
all
seems
fairly
real.
The
feeling
is
still
that
it's relaxing and has
some recreational
aspects
I
just
haven't put
it
totally
together
as
to giving
it
a
name.
Right now
I
get
a
very strong impression of
flowers
again.
It seems
like
right now they're back
to right where
I
originally spotted
them only
they're going
in the opposite direction
-
like
they're moving
toward
the direction
they originally went.
While
they were
there
they walked on several pathways
- walked out quite
a
ways,
then swung over and Come over and worked around and
looked at...
One peculiar
thing
I
might note
-
so far
I haven't
sensed,
seen nor heard
an airplane.
Cars
seem quite distant
-
outside
of
that
little motor scooter affair
with
the
two guys
on
it.
That's about
the only vehicular traffic
I've
seen
-
except out
in
the parking
lot.
It
seems
like to me
that
they've got most
of
their attention off what
they were
looking at and
they've got
their attention more on
the
car
now.
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want,
to
look and
find
out what
the
significant thing was
that Bart
was
talking about.
There's something quite unusual
there and
I
...
Damned
if
I
can pick
it
up
WAS HAL DOING ANYTHING BESIDES WALKING ALONG
-
WAS THERE ANY ACTIVITY
Most
of
the
time
I
was
looking at Hal, he was
kind of listening
to Bart
and Bart
was pointing
out
a
number
of
things.
Part
ol
the
time Bart was walking with Hal;
part
of
the
time he was back
by Judy.
When
I
lirst
saw
them,
it was Bart
in
the
front on the
left
side,
Hal
was
on
his
right,
Judy was slightly
behind
-
almost between Bart
and
Hal
but
behind,
and Phyllis
to her right.
They wandered around but
the
first
time
I
picked up
-
they were
that
way.
When
they were
coming back,
they just about
reversed.
Bart would be
in
front.
When
they were coming back,
i
..oked
like Bart was
in front
with Phyllis,
and Judy was walking more behind Bart and Hal on her right
when
they were
coming back out of
there.
They're actually
at
the
car.
2:30
SHALL WE GO DOWNSTAIRS AND SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING?
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