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#36:
No,
just a very smooth,
crisp, piercing- made your head hurt,
very,
like it was air hissing, very high pressure, weird
thing.
Very high, high pitched.
#39:
Okay, you said you detected-
#36:
Same pitch, didn’t vary, didn’t go up and down,
it just
straight pitch.
#39:
You said you detected in the room on the walls and the ceiling
horizontal and vertical pattern, it’s dark gray,
almost
black linear patterns, 4 inches in diameter.
#36:
That corner of the building, whatever floor that is on,
I
was getting a feeling that- and I know this might have been
analytical overlay, tryin’
to figure out what the hell it
was.
But
I had the feeling that corner of the building
was bars, was secured off.
That corner from,
from the rest
of it.
It seemed like there was
steel,
or steel bars, or
something heavy.
And I went around the corner,
and I looked
down,
the thing just
shhh! you know, it was like, it went
forever.
And it felt very ominous on the right
side, that
would be the
side that had the vertical patterns.
And I
tried to focus,
and tried to focus,
and tried to focus,
figure out why I felt
so badly.
I didn’t' want to say bars
or steel,
but I felt that that’s probably what it -was. .
.
on my right.
#39:
On, on your right there’s the cables are going, when you’re
pattern went
.
#36:
The gray, dark linear pattern went on down on the side around
the corner,
to my right on down.
And it bothered me.
I
don’t know why,
and I was tryin' to figure out why it should
bother me.
I looked, tried to
see,
uh, tried to
see host-
ages.
And I,
I couldn’t get past whatever this was on my
right.
I didn’t see any hostages.
#39:
Okay...Okay.
Uh, telephone not on, but near the desk,
behind it.
#36:
Yeah,
I felt if I was' sitting in his position it was off to
my right and kind of back, behind me somewhere.
#39:
On the floor or somethin'?
#36:
I didn't know where it, it must have been on something, uh,
on a table or something.
But I looked on the desk.
The
desk was shiny.
I did not
see a phone.
#39:
Was
there anything else on the desk?
#36:
I was looking for a gun,
I saw no gun.
score?
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#39:
Okay.
#36:
There was some kind of a... I guess it was a desk pad or
something.
#39:
Okay, you drifted up to the roof?
#36:
Yeah,
okay.
#39:
Okay.
Uh, before I get to that,
let me go back to the ones
I'd like to get sketches of.
The key, uh, the location of
those two plates, the sign and the plate...uh, your view of,
you know, when you go through the door, where the desk is
located,
and the guy at the,
at the desk....
Then an overall
sketch of the room when, when you went through the wall.
#36:
You mak±n’
notes of #66, uh, #14?
#14:
Mm~hmm.
#39:
Uh, the view from the window.
And #36, do include those
stools
.
#36:
Hmm?
Do?
#39:
Yes, please.
Uh...the view from the window.
Uh...the hori-
zontal and the vertical patterns.
And then I want one of
the roof.
Your overall view of the roof.
#L4:
At this time we are going to switch to another tape, that'll
be tape C.
Okay, we're ready to continue on tape
C.
This is a contin-
uation of debriefing on Session D-45j Tape
528, 12 September
1980.
Okay.
#36, you-
#36:
There's the key.
#14:
You've drawn the key...you've also drawn the gate and the,
and the plates and sign associated with the gate.
So,
at
this time,
let’s move to the inside of the entranceway and
draw a sketch of the overall room and the position of the,
the desk and the guard and the telephone where you felt these
things were
#36:
I wanna put a question mark on this.
Uh,
I think the phone
was right around there somewhere....
.....Spell closet.
SS?
#14:
No,
no,
"set".
#36:
Closet?
#14:
Okay, that's the closet.
Where was the, the black box that
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you described?
You described something that-
Yeah.
Looked like a-
It
f s
. work space,
communications or something.
Oh, let me find the exact words...
Said it looked something
like
a kitchen cabinet.
Mm-hmm.
Had something to do with communications.
!ft-bmm.
Yeah.
Okay.
Is that-
Y-yeah,
I wanna draw that and enlarge it somewhere.
On
#3,
I guess.
Okay.
Just to show it’s relative position there.
Well, that's,
that’s probably-
Uh,
I didn’t, you know,
I, this time I don’t remember lookin'
over at the right here.
I don't know what's over there.
In
this area dots, it's all,
I don't,
I didn't look.
Well, it,
I think this ought to be fine in drawing
2.
Just
put "commo"-
Where he-
You'd feel better if he did it.
Eight
.
Yeah, it runs off the page there.
I have a feelin’ you can't
see it
.
Okay,
and page 3 will be... an inset of the cabinet type...
area.
PAUSE
#36:
Well, that's something.
#L+:
Okay. .
.
#36:
There was something, uh
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#14:
El
Actually I think it’s "Y", but...
#36:
Hmm?
#L4:
I think it's just plain "Y", but we’ll have to let it go
like that.
#36:
I don't care
(mumbling)
anyway.
#14:
My, uh, my
left brain mode is not working all that good.
#36:
What else do you need?
#L4:
Uh,
a -view from the window.
#36:
A view from the window?
Shee...Go...
#14:
Ah,
just kind of a...you know,
n-,
nothing detailed,
just...
This would be the window on the north side looking out...
#36:
How the hell I'm gonna draw these trees and things?
I know there's some stuff in here, in the center,
I just
couldn't focus on it
That's good enough,
I
#14:
Don’t put too much in there, you'll just confuse it.
#36:
It was awful low confusing crap in there.
#14:
Mm-hmm.
#36:
Lot of stuff in there, quite
a few trees,
and...
#L4:
Okay.
Interested. . .horizontal and vertical patterns...
#36:
It was awfully difficult here.
PAUSE
#36:
I don't know..
#3-4:
Okay.
#36:
Anything else?
#14:
Uh, yes.
Uh, the ov~,
an overall of the rooftop.
#36:
0-kay .
Let me draw a little thumb nail up here.
It seemed
to me like,
as I was looking at this thing
No, wait
a
minute.
I bet this is an overlay from the, uh...I bet this
is an overlay from the map that I was shown the other day.
I'm havin'
trouble drawin' this thing.
#14:
Why don't you just do
a vertical?
A straight,
flat-
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