\2 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 A. One is older than the other. Ss. Okey, and which is older eftHs—twe, the agent in place? A. The agent in place, the man carrying is the younger. S. Skeyx Is the younger, okey. A. Now I have to say that the man carrying - it is unknown to hin. S. Qksy Right, we have that. All right now, the next issue, Alex, is one we have faced before, we have gone reasonably far, ane-t* you have reached a block on this. And this concerns the issue of time. The young man, it is suggested on another tape, that the young man carrying this, and,just for purposes of conversation call it a calculator, hand calculator - - the man carrying this hand calculator is the man who you feel will take a trip or has taken a trip, which may end up or has ended up in his death, being killed. Alex, has this happened, or xk is it something to happen in the future? or may happen in the future? Kise sagt don't know. Searhat is perfectly all right, always an acceptable answer. A. It's just that - again I have a psychic emotion on it, a psychic emption - - whenever I have a psychic emption (?) and I have to say that, but I don't know x&xtk# whether the man is dead, already d aby (?) it can be stopped. S. The point isg Alex, ,not to lay ee additional purden on you, pressure, but to make it obvious, if it has already happened, if the young man has taken his trip, and has not returned, this will tend to verify all of this sGemnario, but it also may mean that it will be more difficult, if not impossible, to locate the bug, the device, orjother devices like this and the counter (measure),and it may also make it more difficult to wrap this whole thing up. A. I understand this, let mw put it this way, from my past experience in working im the lab, you know, things have come out that, gauxknawx they are not, you know turning out (7) and therefore I'm not going to stop with this tape, (7) the information will then te related to... 5S, Okey, I'll make sure that it gets transfered. A. But what I'm trying to say is, I have one of the settings, they have to understand this, I don't know (? if there has been a murder? 7?) I do get a psychic emotion because of the tramma Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 that takes there, but I also get a psychic emotion (from) the tramna. what will take place. And in, here, because I am not in the situation,,;the situation,, you know we have been as close as we could get, it doesn't seem yet enough for (7), it is one of the short comings at this movement that it is not goming ol: S. Well, are you suggesting, it appears that you are suggesting to me that you could be more precise if you were alhowed imée- entry into tre suites 333. A. I would say that it is a high probability that I would be ahnkee able to, but I would not... ». Okey, A. I would still pick up the emotions, but you know, in other words, the center of my work is to pick up the emotion of what is wrong, or what has beer been \ wrong in the placex and therefore try to put it together in ‘Some description » and the things that I state, so that the people there can make significant (?) S. Would the effect or the pick~up we essentially the same whether you were there with people or wifhout people? Oltherwise, if you went there in the evening, for security purposes, so that you would not interrupt anything going on there, would it be jus¥ as valuable to do that@at night say, as it would be during the day? A. Yes it would be. Let me put it this way, I don't know, I never did it,in a living group. I've done it (?) in the past. What I've done in the same junction you are talking about like on Wall Street or other places, is while the people are there I would just walk through and, you know, have my psychic emotion work inti it. Now, I'm willing to try it, but, you know, again it would be a first time., S. Okey, well that's thelke decision. A. I'm just giving you the information. S. But it woyld appear to be a good deal more awkward for you to walk, just walk thegough during the day when people are in place because of the normal security. A. What can be done, what can be done Schott, We can walk through the empty building (?) and see what I pick up, and if I'm not ApBRUET ESS heh AS? aBGoHar? - BAY ReS640898sH0b0%60140004-7 S. All right. Well,let us shift from this line right now,
if Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 I think we've hit all those things that we tried, that we talked about yesterday on the pther side of the tape, that we going to come back to - that is identification of the man and a stick point is whether or not the young man disgappearance has taken place and his possible death, or whether that is something in the future. Yoymentioned yesterday, that did not get on the tape (this is in error, it did get on the tape) when we were driving back from Fort Belvior - is there on record the disgappearance of another goung man, a military personnel that has'nt been investigated. Is that the connection you had? A. Yes, thetis-another question S. That is another question, somehow it is related. A. Somehow, something is related to it, I'm not sure what it is. (?) S. Okey, well it is on tape, and that was the reason I wanted to get it on tape. Let's cycle back just for a moment to the second female. Will you tell us where she is going to fit in? Where does she fit in? A. She is a transit only. S. A transient in the senge that she doesn't work full time in 333. is all I can say A. Or comes in and out \G) I don't see her coming in at eight gs o'clock in the mornigg, nine o'clock. S. Is it possible that she works somewhere else in the building and on occasgion comes down to 333? A. The answer is no. S. She doesn't work in the building? Does she work on thebase? A. Let us return to that. hat she travels f¥om time ak to timey into the suite, but is not on the base. For what reason I don't know. But I do know that there is something (?) 4 he secrecy of the (2) (necandare ) _gleterarhi S. But, okey,,it could be important to the normal pr oject that they are working on, italso could be important to the leak? A. Yes. S. Which is it, or is it both? A. Its, its, what is says is important to the whole thing we have been discussing. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
1S Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 S. Okey, but that again is everything ,so we need if you can, to get some differentiation, now or later on. A. It's just that she came in as a shadow, you know at the beginning, by shadow meaning disturbance in the seenee sce#r, I should have pursued it, or something, I dpn't recall what happened (?) I will continue it this week when I get back (to Maine) (?) S. Okey, Alex, I want to know, this bug is transmitting information out of the suite, out of the building, now it is being received somewhere. Where is that somewhere, how fae is it transmitting? One of the problems off... A. It's close, and it may be right on the base. S, I would ma suspect that it is on xhm@ base. Where on base Alex, you have been around tha t base, did you come close to a receiving site? A. Twas wondering Scott, (? ? ? ?),the psychic emotion comes through ( ? ? ) S. But it would be easier if it could be in one of the homes in the housing area closer to that. Is it in one of those? A. I don't know. i'm just trying to explain “& the ‘short time (he was on se),q Thebsychic tells me that it is either on base or close located (end of tape 6) -- - ~- -=--- Tape7--- - S. The persons who monitor#the bug, the signal for reception and recording out of £50mn'533-- Alex, you said that it transmits for a short distance, or thw receiver is a short distance away from the transmitter, probably on base. Is that person who receives that,and is responsible for recording, it male or fehale? A. At this present time my psychic tells me that it is a female. S. All right. ‘ite wet A. But I don't know, exetes that is clalrvoynce. twage . S. Okey, now, but does that person live on base, or come on the base and go off the base? A. At the present time, no answer. S. No answer. Is that person an employee, a full-time employee Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 of this organization that has a network that is responsible for this act of Seen te chee SME OVO” 5s cere A. The 2 argue id 5 To, Cae ‘m no saying f 5S. Well, let me, okey, “hen : see that, but, does this vce ESE we female re. CSRS that she is, what she is doing, does she know- ingly do this, or is she in fact being used. Has the receiver and recorder been planted in her apartment or house and she doesn't realize what is going on? gt yes i Aye ast, £ — A. This is what I don't knog/ yet. (2-3) I keep feoltnes tat Ba (2-2) and I'm trying to relate Oi tn 75 Et tells me that if I can interpretate the symbol of the Lines, it tells me I have to follow these, you know that t ere e dg ind « of a gonnecti on- KAXKRXRK By doing it before hare and Dr. Osis ©) not to &. worry about the 3 Gay ti to let if go at this point. S. All right let's, Alex, for conversation in the future, if something urgent comes up and we have to refer to this over the phone, let's call this the "2" network, without refering to listening devices or receivers or room 333, or anything else. If you say I have some more information on x the “Z" network just tell what it is without any reference to any of this/ But we will only do that if you think that it is sp vital that you can't wait to write it A. And even on my letters Ai shed ? ?) a ) ang I ‘WAL type all letters (? ?) ope, I just want to, v7 aed Tho h the ‘e people who are 2 satening EY wa FIL AERTS RL ET S. m sure that this pecint has not been missed Alex, that they are as sensitive to this as we, if not more so, after all, this iskbome of their full-time job, we are only part-time actors. ~-- -=- end of tape 7 -- - -- Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7