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hinnpr buildings farther away.
I have
a feeling
iike
I'm.
. .I'm down below from where
I started...
my first feelings... I had to make
it go someplace else.
Even though
I went someplace else... I'm not... I didn
t
start out in the downtown anyway... 30 days...uh...
PAUSE
That's funny,
I had
a.. I had
a moving vehicle,
like
heavy weapons down
a deserted road out
in the boonies.
Tropical foilage
on each side of the road.
Like
a
tactical move*
There's a... let me get back up on the
hill
Tell me more about the vehicle.
I
said like a heavy weapons,
but the more
I
looked
at
it,
as
it went by,
it was more like
a,
a road
march
of . .uh. .lories
and heavy box-like trucks.
Uh.
. .with stuff inside.
I don't... they were scout (phonetic)
cars and...umm also called.. I don't get a feeling
o
like combat equipment,
but more combat support.
have no idea where it
is.
Seems to be totally- different
place.
Uh... oh... those guys are..uh..uh,
I want to
say those guys are soldiers;
they are not anything else.
0k.
We've been at it for quite some time.
Do you
want to draw now?
I want to get back on that hill.
0k.
If
I
can for one last
it overlooks. ...it' s not
a biq hill and it seems to have
a bunch of trees,
houses,
like buildings
of state.
Older places up
there
but from it you can see... water,
overlooks the
‘ater;
and then you nan about
2)5 miles of... you can
see the downtown.
What would be the business area.
Biqqer buildings down there.
A commercial feeling.
More jammed packed.
OH!
GOD
(individual stretching)
Stretch out
a little bit.
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Are you ready?
#31
Yeah.
#14
That's what
I
call good timing with the tape.
(Tape turned over)
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This
is weird.
Like
I said before,
it's like being
on a shopping trip.
What do you want now?
I don't
know.
What do you want now?
Ha.... Ha..
0k.
Start at the beginning
I
guess.
That's about
the best place to start,
usually.
This is what
I was talking about.
These 90 degree
angles.
Like shops set one behind the other,
or
something.
#14
And,
this
is,
of course,
targeting on
in the present.
#31
Yeah,
this was real time.
0k.
This is
a street side
scene.
A series of .. .like. .uh. .zigzag.
. .how do
I
describe
it... like shops set one
in
from the other
along the
line.
. .street side scene.
. .glass up top
...brick bordering on the bottom,
and sidewalk here,
and
a curb.
Had the feeling that there was,
you
know,
automobile. ... .parked along the side
..type situation
along.
. .that's peculiar.
The impression
I
had
of
automobile was that
it was parked the wrong way on
the street.
That's,
that's something
I remember.
I
didn't
say
it,
but it's something
I remember.
Uh..
and
I had the feeling that old
whatever his
name
is,
was standing here.. uh.. on street side,
street
side corner here.
Wish
I was
a better artist.
I
had
a feeling he had
a hat on of some kind... in
a dark
type coat,
ok,
and that he put his hand
up.
No,
put
his right hand up,
ok.
Man on sidewalk looking at
street.
Raised right hand as though to hail
a cab
or
something,
ok.
But
then,
I had him.
. .well.
. .the next
I had though was instead of anything like him getting
into
a lousy car
or anything like that,
I had
'em,
I
was,
I was like looking at him from behind,
and he
was walking down the street.
Walking this way,
ok.
#14
Please make little foot prints.
#31
That's what
I'm doing.
Ha,
ha,
ha,
ha
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Notice they get farther apart the farther away he
goes.
Ha... ha,
ha,
ha.
ha.
And,
he walks down
the
street,
ok.
The next thing,
all right then,
....
grooving on that shot.
. .really neat.
I
thought,
maybe
he'd hop into
a pawn place or something.
You know.
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You were hoping.
Hoping,
yeah.
Anyway,
ok,
all right.
There's dark
shapes along
here of an occasional automobile,
right.
It seemed like
an occasional vehicle,
et cetera,
l
had him in the foreground walking along,
sort
or
li
e
one hand in his pocket and the other hand. ..cigarette
.
That needs to go down farther there
'cause he
s got
his trench coat
on,
whatever
it
is.. ok.. and here
s
. ,uh. .and he's walking down the street,
ok.
Now,
it's dark.
My feeling is this gloomy,
let me write
this,
gloomy
dusky was my feeling.
Here we are
gloomy,
dusky,
ok,
and shops along the wall... along
the side,
here.
And. .uh. .down here on the old horizon
is bright lights,
ok.
I can't draw
it.
You know "^at
I'm talking about.
Like you're looking... I was trying
to
explain
it.
It was like
I was walking out
of
a,
an unbusiness,
an unfrequented place,
d°^
the
,
into
a more frequented place that was still... had
s
Shops open and the lights were still
on,
and everything.
0k.
That's about the only thing
I could
Activity,
business,
bright lights shining out,
ok,
and
it's dark all around here.
0k.
So
I boogied
on along
with him for awhile.
Let me
just write m walking alone
up dark street toward lights,
smoking right hand..uh..
M/hat was.
ok.
this is.......
0k.
Are you aware
of anything like that?
No.
I
recognized the town's name Kerchin,
(phonetic)
Kursk and Minsk,
but podgorney
(phonetic)
museum,
i
have no idea what it
is.
0k.
I was just wondering
if maybe there was such
a
museum and such town.
I don't know either.
I have no idea
never
just,
you know
out
of nothing.
0k.
And that was about the time
I had you move
sideways.
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Ok.
That's
2.
Then
I had
well
I had this feeling he got into
a
car finally.
That's nothing, ok
.
Now,
going to
3...
ok.
That's what
I was trying to write.
Trying to
explain rather.
This is
water,
and this is harbor,
maybe,
ok,
and this is hill,
ok,
and this is like.. uh..
taller buildings,
and here is like outline city districts.
All right.
Now,
this was
a trop. ... .tropical and warm.
Totally different place.
This is minus
30 days,
right.
Right.
RT minus 30 days.
Real time.
Umm.
#14
Then you described revolving round circle.
0k.
I felt what he had to do
in this place was done
up here,
ok.
Whatever
and there's buildings
you know...... it's too
it's impossible to draw
everything.
I had the feeling there^ were buildings
in here.
These were... .it's on
a hill. .....*•••••••*
these were like buildings
on
a hill.
Now,
I
say
it right now.
The thing that strikes me as being
peculiar about this is that
uh. ...god,
I might be
totally off....
may,
may be totally off-base
on this,
on this thing here,
but. .uh. .because of the nature of
my work
in the other place,
I pegged this feeling and
impression
as being Havana,
Cuba,
ok.
What gives you that impression?
Well,
it was this fleeting out of
nowhere.
This
p >
this double
P thing on top of this hill,
which came out
of nowhere.
I was
just sitting there working along
tryinq to figure out 30 days ago.
Oust grooving on
_
u/hat was going to come,
and the first thing
1 was doing
was zooming down on this.
That is
a,
that is
a featur
from other research
just happen to have done as a
result of my involvement with Latin America,
of..uh..
of
a.. uh.. suspected location of some
of the Soviet.. uh..
command and control elements
in the Havana area.
0k.
so
I'll
just say that right now for the record.
All right.
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"Cause
I've been working with another detachment
on
providing them OP data and maps and all the rest of
that stuff.
So
I'll
say that for the record.
0k.
Getting back to the revolving round circle.. uh..
and a revolving pole
Yeah.
I'll get that.
0k.
ok... all
I can do is just put it on top of
a box.
I don't know
if it's
a movable
box or
if it's something
that's off-loaded,
or something that is stationary
as
it
is,
but has to be moved with
a considerable effort,
or what.
It was just a quick impression.
I had
a feeling
that the whole thing turned.
0k.
That's that.... 4.
And
I had
5.
I had the classic,
I had the classic
cartoon of troops marching about
15 abreast,
ok.
You don't have to draw that
if you don't want
to.
I'll draw one rank,
ha,
ha,
ha.
I'll narrow it down
to its essentials,
ok.
Troops marching
in ranks.. uh..
deep brown green,
deep dark brown green uniforms. .uh.
.
10 to
15,
what did
I
say,
10 to
15 abreast,
rank on
rank,
pomp and circumstance,
pass in review was the
feeling,
all right.
That's all,
that's without beating
myself
to death.
That's enough,
I
guess.
0k.
Somewhere around there,
I had the feelings like....
here were the buildings. .. .uh
I'll draw you this....
funny church thing,
ok.
Here was the harbor.
Over here
is this hill.
. .somewhere in this mass. .. .water
on the
horizon,
right. .. .downtown.
. .here' s the hill.
. .somewhere
in this mass
is this funny .. .funnelied
shaped.....
like cathedral. .oops.
. .ok.
. .it's got
3 spot... I had the
feeling there were like
2,
well you can see
'em here,
2 things sticking out the side that had spires on
em,
you know,
and
it confused the heck out
of me,
because
I didn't know
if we were talk.... if they were... I
don
t
know.
They could be minarets.
They could be. ..whatever.
.
uh... thing about
'em is that they are orange.
. .don
'
t
spell orange with
a
g.
o-r-a-n-g-e,
orange -red tile...
church or cathedral,
ok.
The other impression
I had.
Uh.
. .that was
6 there for this thing.
And,
again,
this item is only being drawn,
but it's
drawn amongst tree-lined streets.
It should be there
s
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tree-lined streets,
low buildings all around,
residential area... some bigger buildings,
but nothing
like this section, was what
I was trying to get across
is that the massive section is somewhere else.....
where
I was drifting.
0k.
uh.
. .how do
I draw this in perspective again.
0k.
Here..... ok,
that's
in the background,
and it's shady..
and you can still see it in there
like an open
plaza feeling with. .uh.
. .this
is
a walkway back here,
but there's these arches right,
and it's dark because
it's covered
this line really shouldn't be there
.....feeling of some sort of
a fountain
in the middle
of
it.... it's all mox-nix,
but
it lends
a flavor to
what
all right....
What flavor?
Well,
to be the arch style. . .everything was either
lat.
.
. .it was very,
very
latin to me
Then you described being out in the boonies.
Yeah.
Ha.
.
.ha.
. .ha.
. .hooo-waaa
how to see..uh..
how to see Cuba on five dollars
a day
ha,
ha,
ha...
0k.
I had this kind of
a feeling.
Disappearing
in
the distance.
. .cloud of dust and
a hardy hi-ho-silver
you know... don't want that
line,
not yet.
....and,
you know... uh... ok,
to label
'em
in our equivalence...
this is
like
a
5 by.
This is like
a
2 and
duce
and
a half,
and there was. .uh. .like
a small little
squad jeep of some kind,
and not necessarily
in the
same order.
It's just this boommmm.
. .uh.
. .open type
thinq,
for whatever worth
it
is.
And,
one impression
that
I
had,
I was sitting there watching this thing
disappear
in the sunset,
and,
ok,
that's
7.
This
will be
8.
But,
over here as though
it was disappearing in the
sunset with some poor sucker sitting
in the back
ot
it,
as
I've done quite
a bit myself,
right... here
s
canvas on duce and %...was this guy sitting on the
side
ok
and
I had... he was... I
had the feeling
that this guy,
you know,
sitting m the back by the
tail-qate,
as GIs everywhere want to do when they re
on the move,
and this guy had
a,
my impression was...
not,
not
my first impression was that this guy was
wearina
a.. like a... was not wearing combat gear.
He
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was like wearing... or fatigues even... he was wear
g
more uniform of the day
gear,
right. .uh.. the serv
c
type cap instead of
a field pot. .and. .uh. .round
dark khaki .. .dark,
deep brown,
ok.
That
s
do there... well red... red trimming epaulets and
a cap
band,
which
is also,
this is also the thing here.
Uh... sketch
3.
...is this red trimming.
•
®
,
.
d
nineoint where it
is,
but that was the feeling
I had
f7Sc marcWng situation,
ok... was that there was
flashes
of red amongst the brown.
Maybe very significant.
I
don't knob if the Russian's
do
it.
Some countrys used
to,
and still
do,
identify
certain types
of units by the piping on the uniform.
Well
I didn't get
yeah. .. .ok. .. .just the red flash
is all
I had.
The feeling like.. .like here, m this
guy,
I've drawn him very crummely but like
a
BP^let
I had
a feeling like
a epaulet might be red and the cap
strap around his hat would be red.
. .and. .uh. .thi
^ This
had the definite feeling that that was red,
ok.
I his
was all in tuned with this fleeting shot of this conveyer,
or whatever
it was.
Couldn't tell you
wh:Lch one was
which or anything else,
but.....
red star ^hide
d
convoy of,
what,
I'd
say,
8 to 10 vehicles.
0k.
now the
other thing
is that this is..uh..it
s almost as tho
g
they were the only... there was only one -;*
almost as though the road was so narrow that there was
only room for the convoy to
go one way,
but
I was on
the riqht side.
So
I can't tell,
you see,
if there was
another side,
because
I was just checking this action
out as
it went down the
road.
Uh,
I wanted to write this red trimming here arrowed to
the guy's
epaulet and arrowed to the guy
s hat.. band
.
That'swhen
I
said
I had the definite feeling that the
guy was Soviet.
The
guy,
he... the
guy
in the back of
the truck,
to me,
does not strike me as being
an Arab
or the Cuban or Latin American
of anykind
or
an Arab
or... uh...West German,
or American.
. .or anything like
that.
It struck me as beinft the guy was... what
I
said..
Sov....ok.
Anything else you want to add?
I went back up
on the hill.
The only thing that
I
did
when
I went back up on the hill
9ot
|"°re
...flesh out this other sketch
cause. .. .this,
l nave
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'Cause
I was zipping
all over the place.
That's all
I
got.
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Guess we'll call that end of session.
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