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Notes on meeting with
(DIA/OGF)
30 Jan
95:
In general
:
is Office of Ground Forces,
DIA
His component became responsible
for management
oversight of the DIA Stargate program about a year ago.
currently LIMDIS,
formerly SAP
been at DIA since the late
80s
the Army prior to that,
but
it
is not clear that there
is a
continuous thread to follow as these may have been
It
is
(while
in the Army?)
.
It has
[88-89?],
and may have been in
independent programs.
is DIA program manager,
and
he has
three remote viewers under his supervision housed at
Ft.
Meade.
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jdiscussed the various program parts from his
perspective which are loosely defined as R&D,
Operations,
and
Foreign Assessment.
Other meeting attendees:
R&D:
The principal player in DIA
1 s R&D effort has been Ed May
of
SAIC,
[formerly of SRI?].
was unable to state what
the particular R&D objectives were,
although he later
mentioned a couple of examples.
The program is apparently
out of money for R&D at this point.
However,
received an exhaustive unclassified report
from Ed May
recently
addressing the research issues of the program which
used in part as the basis
for a LIMDIS classified report he
] report covers only
wrote and sent
to CMS;
apparently)
the DIA Stargate program,
and was generated in response to
the SAC CDA by the deadline of March
1.
[I requested copies
of both Ed May's unclassified document and
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said CMS had a copy of the report and that a copy is on
its way to Congress.
In addition,
some
40 papers by Ed May relating to the
R&D aspects of the program are unclassified.
These should
all be part of the R&D review we conduct.
We agreed to get
from Ed May all
the unclassified material we could.
Operations
:
These consist of
directing the remote viewers
to
"access and describe the target" based on a limited
description of the target's context.
had not actually
witnessed an "operation"
. We agreed to go to Ft Meade and
meet
the viewers ourselves.
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Declassification Issue:
report
is also supposed to address the
based on
declassification of the program.
According to
,
,
the discussions which took place on this
issue,
it
is his
opinion that nothing in this program should be classified
except US Government Sponsorship
[why?].
He says that there
is no threat
to national security involved,
no sensitive
sources and methods.
The problem may be the
"giggle factor"
in that this program could be an embarrassment
to some.
We
stated that we intend to push the declassification issue
hard.
Customer Base:
has
1c
. did solicit feedback from various customers he
tael tor nis product,
and did attempt to develop the
customer base
.
He asked some customers
to fill out survey
information he devised.
[With the exception of DIA,
not aware of any customers within the intelligence
community.]
It was
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for a second time after using the program capabilities once.
was
Highlights
:
• We agreed to go and talk with
currently at
Ft. Meade at
suggestion.
and the people
• We said we would push the declassification issue hard
• We will get unclassified documents
from Ed May
said he
' d help us get a copy of
report
• We will contact
declassification
of CSI
to get his help in
• We will delay contacting the NRC
to set up the Blue
Ribbon Panel until we know more about the declassification
issues
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