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I have
a feeling it's
a hill into which this
thing
is dug along this long access.
The hill
on my horizon as being looking past the building
at the hill... it appears high on
the right side
much more.... much more pronounced.
. .shaped almost
like
a buttress and then tapering slowly
down
to
the left into
a ridge
line which proceeds
of..-
turning around and looking away from the building
I'm getting
a feeling that it is on
a slope away
from this. ..like
in
the foothill
of the mountain
but,
it slopes away off from the... into a... on the
long sloping run down into
a valley. .uh. .a shallow
valley
some distance from me
in the distance
...on
the other side of this valley possibly one mile and
a half
I
see another feeling
of
a
...I want to say
another sharply rising piece
of terrain rising
up.
I want
to put another hill over there.
The hills
seem treed. .uh. .but the slope. .uh. .in this area.,
seems untreed,
unforested until
it curves away
from my
line of sight,
and gets down into what would
be the valley.
It seems to turn greener
in the clift
down there.
Whereas,
here where
I
am is rather brown
and drab
as though
,
I'd say,
grassed hillside.
It
seems open to me.
No trees in this immediate area.
#66
Focusing your attention once again on the building
describe its color
to me.
ft31
It
a darker charcoal appearing
on the top.
(Mumbling)
size
of the roof.
Beneath the roof
line
it
is
a lighter gray or
a dark sand color.
It
is
two-tone. .uh.
#66
Focus your attention now on the activity at the
target area and describe the activity
to me.
#31
I.. uh.. although this thing looks skeletol,
or
something,
standing under the covered arch,
or the
covered
(mumbling)
or whatever,
looking at the
downhill
side,
away from the hillside. .uh. .saw
_
in interior
of
the building,
somewhere
a.
. (mumbling)
maintenance,
scenario with some sort of
a
...the
rear of
a large track vehicle
in the building with
men crawling
on the dock side and working on
it
on the outside... and.. uh.. turning around now,
at
this vehicle and looking back
I have the feeling
o
a large bay containing. .uh. .a significant number of
track vehicles.
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Describe the comparative size of these vehicles.
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They
are. .uh.
. (mumbling)
wheeled.
. .tread
is about
nose high
on this man and no cupolas.
. .it' s
a
straight turned... it's about upper chest high on
a man.
There's
a
...a muzzle break thing on the
tube.
They all appear
about the same size.
|nere
may be four
or five here
in
a row pointing
...it
s
...my
left... it would be my right at the original
start point looking the other way.
What
is the nature of the work done on these vehicles?
Uh...I don't have any feeling of anything other than
maintenance.
. .let me look for
a minute.
You may answer this question by describing the
actual activity
of
a worker.
PAUSE
I'll pick
a worker.
When
I started
I had feeling
of
a guy handing something down into the turret
and that work... work was being done on the left
side
of
a
...of the
gun mount.
. .forward
of the gun
in.. possibly the gunner's position
on
a panel
of
dials and gray...
,
gray,
sand gray. ..the
equipment
rack located
in the forward and left
side of the tube.
Like
a part... I had a... I had
like
a part being plugged
in and being hooked up.
A
oma 11
H-vinn.
Hand
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Fine.
I will wait.
PAUSE
Had definite feeling of..uh..one Mongoloid
(mumbling)
person.
I'm getting various shots
of bogie wheels
off and being replaced.
. .and,
one with engine
compartment open... rear engine compartment.
. .and another
one was some sort of
a back compartment
of some kind
dropped down and for
a moment,
I thought
I had one
located
on
a trailer,
flat bed,
trailer .. .as though
moved by road
....but,
I don't get any specific
one_of-a-kind
or some special type shot of
any
°ne
major thing
similar with all
of
them.
That
s
nil
T
not
sorted.
0k.
Fine.
Focus your attention now on this area
continue down beyond these vehicles.
. .describe
what's down beyond these vehicles.
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I'm looking on the starting direction,
past vehicle
I,.uh..feel that the back of this... this open bay
area
is walled off,
and. ...uh. ..has
a sort of a..uh..
iunk racks... I mean a..uh..open bay window type of parts
type of
a place.
But
just past the
iast vehicle
.
it's as though
if the vehicle made
a right that that
goes around
a corner
and goes through another big
. .uh. .gate
in the wall... just
an open passageway
and proceed to other points somehow.
I
don
t know
where
I
am within the whole building now,
but
I
have the feeling of
a. ..I'm standing at this open
cut out
in the wall.
The
in tank the in tank is to
my right.
There's
a wall there,
but
I have the feeling
on the other side of the wall
is light coming down.
Possibly. .uh. .some sort of
an open yard of some kin
.
But,
that in the past
I
am.
1 would drive along
under
an overpas
an overhang by this court yard.
By-
it's open light area and
I
can continue down
a
y
iong tunnel.
I
see
a light
at the end of the tunnel.
But,
pecularily
,
it
is only. ..it
is only
a one-way
trip.
It's only wide enough for one
...for one
tank.
I'm going by wooden upright post on the right an
a
wall
on
the left and I'm going by there and
it
s as
though down in the other part of the building there
are more servicing stalls.
. .stalls or bays
or
o
ie
types of work
or something.
PAUSE
There is some sort of
a low rail along that court
yard.
I call
it
a court yard,
but
it
s not
a court
vard.
It's
just like
a hole between
two structures
that
I didn't see before.
But,
I
feel that there
is
light
in there that
is not covered over like the
rest
of the structure.
PAUSE
I'd like to call
to mind now,
a comment that yob' ye
made previously,
and ask you
to focus your attention
on that area again and explain further your impressions.
This impression
is concerning the structure and that
it's made to look like something else.
PAUSE
It's..uh..it
looks like
a barns
(phonetic)
or
something... or... my impression then was that
it
looked to be
a more substantive construction than
it really was and that
it wasn't
a building complex
with walls and with doors and
jams and rooms insi
e
but,
it was essentially
a shell frame which covered
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alot
of open
space rather than slot of closed
in
spaces like
a regular building would
do.
The
outside
of
the place
is strickingly funny and that
may have caused me to say
it.
It s...I had this
definite feeling
of, ramshacked,
rumble,
dumble down
wood while inside
it's really
got something going
on
in
it different than would appear from the
outside,
it’s
all*
All right.
Now,
focusing your attention inside
_
once again looking at the vehicles.
Do you recognize
these vehicles?
I would say they are
the T-55 type.
Tell me now,
the particular components
of your
perception which
leads you
to make that statement.
Rounded.. uh.. sort
of. .sort of.. flattened,
round,
low silhouette
(mumbling)
muzzle break,
tubes,
this feeling of large tubes down about one meter
down
the barrel... thing sticking out the front of
it... and.. uh.. general size
in contours ohe,6°
with about one foot taken off
of each... one fo
taken off the height of the chassie and about
another foot flattened off the top of the turret.
Lower
slung than ours, but not super low.
Little
more squat looking.
Around fender
in the back..
I don't know what else.
Different feeling
of
a double hatch,
rear end compartment.
I
don
t
even know
if that
is on
a
55.
Focus your attention solely
on the first vehicle m
nrinrl
nnu/*
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Yes.
Scan the vehicle for nomenclature.
It has
a. .uh. .a. .uh. .five point
star.
I meant to
mention this earlier,
but,
what
I was looking at
before,
I had the feeling of
a five point star
on
what would have been the right side
of
Now,
let me look at this thing.
I
m not getting
anything more.
(Mumbling)
put another star on
the
forward top of
the chassie end
of the
the slanted part between what appeared
to be
two
raised things like
light frames or something.
They're round and they stick up... they stick up on
inside of each fender.
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Describe
the color of the vehicle.
#31
Is
a brown
gray.
It... not brow,
more grayish.
#66
And the color
of the
star.
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Red.
What
is the gestaltic nature of the personnel
working
on the vehicle?
PAUSE
I
get more... they are... more that they
are..uh..
Russian.
But,
that they
are Mongolian. .uh..
Mongoloid.
At least
one.
But,
I don
t know.
I..
at least one Mongolian.
They're Mongoloid,
They'll never draw.
But,
I don't have..uh..I
don
t
know.
I
feel like
I'm
in some Soviet province
somewhere.
A frontier province
or something,
l
don't feel like
I'm
in
the heartland.
Feel like
I'm out
in the semi-tactical forward area
frontier type.. repo,
depot,
or something.
Tell me the data which you perceive that makes
you say
that these people are Russians.
PAUSE
I don't know why
I
said that.
I have P^fdrtn't
no actual reason why
I should say
that.
even know what
to look for
to
see why
I
said that.
PAUSE
Describe the workmen
to me.
PAUSE
Has dark hair.
Has
(mumbling)
eyelids.
Ruddy
complexion.
Wide face.
High cheekbones.
5,
6,
5,
6,
. .uh. .size.
Wearing
a. .uh.. brown.
. .some
little brown kaki,
dark kaki. .uh. .pants.
I
see
some sort of
a parka
(mumbling)
. .wouldn
t mean it
s
cold,
but,
even inside,
but no gloves,
but
a parka
type thing with
a... which
is
a darker brown.
Padded.
Uh. .and has
a fur. .uh. .looks almost
like a
••
flight
iacket.. it's.. uh.. fur colored type thing.
Inside
of
the collar,
I want
to
say it's got fur on
it,
but
I don't have the feeling that
it
is col
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.
.
onlrl
mifoirlp.
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concerned it's just wheat field in under between
there,
because
I
didn't not put anything
in
there.
The impression was
as though
a train would pull
up
in front of the long skinny building.
Would:
off load stuff onto this loading dock and then
drive out.
That type of
a feeling.
Or trucks
would pull up
in under there along
this long
building here and would off load their stuff.
This is the roof and this
is
a loading dock...
indentation or.... on the face
of the building.
That
is like an alternative right side
to
2,
going
into the background.
And in four,
on the left
side,
would be
an alternative
to the face
on four
or
a
secondary impression.
Whatever you want
to call
it.
#66
0k.
I asked you then to focus
on
the activity
of
the building itself.
#31
0k.
So
6 then
is the interior of at least the
first bay
then
I
can draw an overhead,
whatever.
All
right.
Here
is wall going along like
this.
That's not going to be
right.
Let me take another
crack at
it.
Problem using that big marker.
It
don't let me erase nothing.
There is the wall
in the back here.
Now,
as
I
told you,
I don't
know where
I went.
I
just sort of boomed.
. .suddenly
I
saw the... I may have been able
to maintain the
continuity
of movement here,
but
I'm not too sure
of
it.
I
may have zipped
to some other part
of the
building.
I had the feeling
of this long bay area
with... make it
a little bit bigger.
. .ok.
. .then
another one
in the foreground and another
one
on
the right side. .. .facing
a wall.
Which
is
that.
Like that.
Four
to five
track vehicles was the
first impression located along the right side of this
big expansive bay
area.
The feeling was that
vehicles would drive
in under this overhang into
...would make
a
left,
somehow.
. .you know. .. .presumably
it's large enough. .. .would make
a left down through
another gate area.
. .another gate here
on the left
side.
. .another big hole and would drive down and
would park
in bays... like that.
Four to five...
and somewhere in the back was a... I 'll put
a window
in here.
Sort of like
a parked servicing bay
area.
Then the other thing
is. .. .there
' s another one right
there.
Exit,
large.
I'll write large exit door...
As though the vehicles could be serviced on
the
right side
of the bay and then could be backed out
and then could exit the bay going this way rather
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, h „n hawinn
to turn around and come back
out.
You
know.
9 It's like
a one-way street through there.
All right.
So,
the whole feeling of this thing was
not
oh,
and this
is the wall.
Now this is an
interesting... this
is the thing that makes me wonder
about whether
I was in the same place
I
started or
not to another part of the area or
if
I
d stayed m
that first immediate wall area is because on the
outside
I didn't put any windows
in
there.
On the
inside, however,
I
did.
I
put.
. .some sort
o
1 0
emitting,
ok
not quite that.
. ..likei that
along
that side,
ok
.
That's about
it for that.
Six,
seven.
Exiting
the exit is the way
I went.
Exiting
the back rear exit door
...had
a feeling
a.. uh.. again
a dark... how am
I going to draw this
now
let me figure out where
my perspective
is
going to be.
This
is very dim through here.
This
side comes all the way back,
ok.
This is the lig
area,
here.
I had the feeling
I was looking
in
some sort of little court yard.
In other words,
what
I'm saying
is there's light coming down
in
here.
But,
this is the covered area.
It
s like
a
tunnel and,
that there might be some more turn-in
areas
on the right.
Similar to the one
I
just came
out
of.
Pulled
in like that with
a vehicle.
But,
it's only
a one-way track.
It's like once these
things.
.
. .once these vehicles are brought
in,
y
don't turn around and go out the same way.
iey
go
and they have to proceed through all this maze
until they
get out the other
side.
Possibly
s®vera
J;
more bays on the right side.
I have written
it
on the
side
of the wall here.
This is some sort of
a railing
or fence.
All right.
Now for the
long skinny building.
I
sort of didn't address that... the one you asked
the question.
Eight.
The feeling
I had was
hi
;
i
t°p
f[|
d
. a
.
ridge.... and this structure.
. .shaped
like tha
,
•
This line along the back of the structure. ..the hill
back
of
the structure was very irregular and
I
could
not make out looking at it
could not figure
out
if
it was
a long skinny building
or
if
it was
something
had been inserted back into the mountain-
side
or the hillside,
ok.
The land rolls away
then...
and
it's; gently rolling downward,
I'll just say.
Any concepts of roads leading
to this building?
No.
I'm not saying there isn't any.
I
just didn
t
net
any, because of the peculiar circumstances of
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the whole thing,
I was really hesitant to say,
you
know,
to work on any roads in and out,
or
anything like that,
because this weird overhang...
immediately
an overhang,
a passover,
or
a passunder,
or whatever
it' s..
. .immediately constitutes road....
Itzcould ber anything.
I didn't concentrate
on
that.
I was working more on the building.
Uh...
ok,
I'll draw you an overhead
8,
9.
This funny way
(mumbling)
line means the back of
the building,
ok,
like that,
ok.
That line really
shouldn't be
there
show continuity.
Where
I
was first was
well,
let me draw.. ..here
is
like entrance door,
like big.... not even an entrance.
That's wrong!
Let me redo that because it gives the
wrong impression.
It gives the impression
of doors.
There aren't doors,
it's just big carved out... and
this is... ok.
0k.
Uh. .here is the overpass,
right
there,
going
in like that.
Here is the feeling of
at
least one bay.
Also,
the feeling that there
s some
sort of
a cubicle there,
blocking view when
I was
standing
in the doorway.
Here
is exit gate.
Here
is bay window and here
is long tunnel going out.
All right.
Four
to five.
That's what
I
said.
0k.
Tracked vehicle bay.
I will draw a dotted line
along here... open area.
I don't know where that is
that's why.... you know.....
That's
it.
Track
_
vehicle bay,
and here' s. .uh. .what do you call that.
It's not a gate... gate implies something blockage.
It's just
a passage
passageway ... .ok.
So that
was my track and
I
stopped right about there.
I was
getting the feeling
of the open
on the right and the
long hallway on the straight ahead.
So that's nine.
0k.
Anything else?
I will write on
this.
Either
very
skinny building
or
it
is built
into hillside.
That rough line
keeps coming back
to me.
All right.
Looking away
from the place
I
had the feeling of this down slope.
Let me draw you
best way
to do is perspective,
I
think.
Not
a perspective,
I mean
a side view.
Ten.
The building.
. .the building level
is about
like and then gentles
on off like this... down and
then
it starts to take up again,
ok.
This is the
hillside to the
rear.
Here's the building.
The
gentle slope. .open
slope. . .slight valley .. .vegetation
beqins.
. .ok.
. .and
then vegetated hillside.
That
s
about
it.
Want me to darken any of this up or do
vou think
it will zerox ok?
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That's
ok.
Anything else you want to add?
No.
Wait
a minute.
Yes,
there
is.
Ok.
How do you draw a profile of
a tank?
Tanks.
Tanks are all alike.
There' s muzzle break.
The squashed cupola.
The squashed round cupo
a.
or not cupola.. turret.
The. .uh. .fenders. ...bigger
than that.
More like
that.
It had
a split engine
compartment
in the back... had
it sticking °u
like this... and over here was thing... rear fen
auain.
This
is an artists conception of
a piece
of
shit.
And the other down slope here,
is where
the other star was.
I'll put one here.
That s
all
I can do for drawing
a tank,
I
11 tell you.
The front end of
it... this
is the slope and there
is something
on each side
of
it.
Of course,
that
in perspective.
That' s laying back.
Those are
front fenders.
That's what I'm trying to
get.
There.
That shows it laying down like that,
l
got the feeling of two lights,
lamps or something
or racks,
circular racks sticking off
the tron
end of the thing.
That's not looking too bad now,
is
it.
(Mumbling)
I've discovered how artists do
so well.
They scribble so that nobody can tell them
it doesn’t
look very good.
You know they put
so
many°lines down theL,
one of them has got to be right.
Well anyway.
Why don't you label them front,
side,
and back views?
Now,
Ok.
That's all
I
can do #66.
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