ao , Approved For Release 2000/0 Eker eet o%001900670002-8 WORK| NG Pp APER #663 #O1: #66: #01; #66: TRANSCRIPT HU-1085/8406/01 This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 2 May 1984. Following is a pre-interview briefing. I want: to show you some pictures that you've seen before, here of an area that you've described previously. Oh, yeah, the junk room. Junk room, okay. Now, what we want to do today is we want to go back to the junk room in the same during the same time that we were there before and that would be on th 15th of March 1984, between midnight and 3:00 o'clock in the morning. Now, there is certain traffic that we know that goes into that room. People come in there to do things that we know about. The situation is by what doors do they gain access to those rooms. ‘Now, one of those pictures has a door in it. “Two of them. That's the same door is it not? NOT RELEASABLE 10 FORELGN NATIONALS Approved For Release 2000/08/08ancfanplonfeeprefeesefs00s70002-5 WORKING PAPER
Approved For Release Seapleaha, fefacidis-00782R001900670002-8 #O1: - No, and a door there. #66; Okay. #O1: And you get a door there. #66: Okay, the door in picture is actually to a little vault there, inside there. #01: Okay. #662 So it's not an entrance to the area. #O1: Oh, I see, okay. #663 And the door in picture #14-- #01: 14-- #66: --picture #14 is not a secure door, it's just like a nallway door-- #01: --A door going out in the hall. #66: Okay. But that whole area is accessible by several Approved For Release soot ee ato vcoroorsonsroo02 2?
Approved For Release 2Be pau ER ARAE.00728R001900870002-8 ways, the area in general, right? #O1: Okay. #66: And so what we want to do is we want you to go through each of the people that come into that area between midnight and 3:00 in the morning on the 15th of March. Go through each of the people that enter that area and describe the route that they take in getting to that area. #06: Okay. Now they may be the similar route, they may be different routes. #O1: Okay. #66: Okay, I'll give you a few minutes now to prepare yourself. Put the tape recorder on. Relax and concentrate now. Relax, relax, relax. Relax and focus your attention solely and completely on the room in the photograph I've shown you and describe the activities of 15 March 1984, 15 March 1984. #O1: I got ah..guy in a.... black suit with an overcoat. He's getting off an elevator. ..... I see him walking up a short flight of steps,...... turning Approved For Release 200@/08/08 6-90788R001900670002-8
Approved For Release 20001 denchaaptadeforerfr77r001900670002-8 right and going through a door, then going through another doorway where the door is already open into that room. ...... «He's got a clip board and he's checking things off. .2eeeCleaning on top of the cabinets of some kind of papers. .«eHe doing a ah... inventory. Inventory of safe in the corner and opening it. Now he is leaving. He's going out a different way, he's going through the other room in the front. Seems to be going from room to room. ...eNow, he's met somebody else and they're talking. ..... They're leaving that room together, making a right turn and walking down a short hallway to a ....door and they're going through that door, and then in a larger room, feels like it's outside the area though. And then they're looking at a door, it's a door,..... talking and....... the guy in the black is leaving and the, the other guy through the door and back to the other room. He's typing something on a paper. Sitting at a desk that's shaped in a "L" shape. ..........And there's the other guy's ah....... I don't know if this guy's before or after the others. ........ Having trouble with this, it's like ah.... feel like I'm looking at him upright, but then I'm feeling like I'm looking down on him. Approved For Release 200g #9788R001900670002-8
Approved For Release my aI Ed Kanal 07e2R001900670002- #66: #O1: #66: #01: #66: Approved For Rele Take a moment to focus, I will wait. re cece eeeceeesesee Get impression like he's on all fours, with his upper torso in a box and a cee looks like he's crawling into something or crawling out of something. ..»+He'S wearing dark brown coveralls and he's standing up and it's like a cones storage area or something. He's brushing his hands off and he's.... looking around. Light's very dim and he's walking about,... ten paces straight ahead, turns to the right. eseeetThe guy's in a hallway after he makes his right, he's in a hall. And he turns right into another area and on his immediate right is a door and he goes through that door ... and the door's already open, it's like blocked open. Describe like blocked open. ...Um..impression of something wedged, cardboard ed wedge is under the edge,... something to do with ventilation, heat or.. cooling or some, something to do with air circulation. I don't understand (mumble). P96-00788R001900670002-8
Approved For Release 2B pedforo07ss001200670002-8 #O1: Um....an.......1he door's open, it's locked, but this thing, cardboard to keep it open. #663 Okay. Go on. #O1: And he makes a left and then he's in the room, that same room. #663 He goes through some door that has got a piece of cardboard in it to hold it open and after he goes through that door, he's in the room in que’stion? #O1: Um..yes, but he makes a left when he does it. #66: Okay. Now, is this the same door that the other people came into? #O1: Ah....yeah, there's ah... except this guy came from the.. 180 direction of the other man, some kind of a small square that he...was in. Ah...1- #66: Okay, do I understand that you said he approached the room area From the opposite direction of the other two? #O1: Ah, yes. Approved For Release rong fale HS forse700012008700028 6
Approved For Release ji #663 #O1:; #66: #OL: #66: #Ol: #665 #01: p@-00788R001900670002-8 And as he approached that, he went, crawled through a small square something. | He either crawled into it or out of it, I, it's hard to tell. Okay. But his approach to the room area was from the opposite side of the room? yes. All right. Now, describe in as much detail as you can the door with the cardboard, things associated around it, the walls. Just a minute. I'll will wait. eee eae cere eevee seseee eae. IL think it opens outward into open air. Has a slanted roof as you're standing facing it. Ah...it's like (mumble) standing two steps down, on the edge of the door and it's got a slanted roof over the head. There's ah.. que Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900670002-8 7)
#66: #O1: #66: #01; #663 #01: #66: #01: Approved For Release, 96-00788R001900670002-8 Okay, aS you approach the door, you are at a lower level than the door, is that what you mean? It's like, yeah, if you go up some steps to it. All right. And it pushes out with a bar, like a breaker bar. Metal like, light color or ah, very pale green or grayish green color. It ah... stand in front of it, I feel like I'm very close to a wall on both sides. There's a metal conduit running across the ceiling to the top edge of the door and down the left side of the door. ooeeetThere's a light switch toa the right, door opens from the left to right, (mumble) out. Okay. It pushes to an area that you feel is outside like? Is out, outside, but it feels like it's covered in some way. Okay. You have to make two steps up to the door, I'm not 0788R001900670002-8
Approved For Release OES REAR oorsororsosrones #663 #O1: #66: #O1: #66: #O1: #66: #O1: #66: Approved For Release 2000708/ sure about the wall on the right, but it's very close to the wall on the left. Okay. It's got a window. The wall to the left has a window like thing in it? That's correct. Okay. Then you get more of an outside feeling when you go through the door from the room of interest, out this door, you get an outside feeling when you go there, you get a step feeling, and you get a slanted ceiling or roof feeling. Yes, like an angle in the roof. All right. Something covering it, it's outside, but there's something covering it. All right. 00788R001900670002-8
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