. Approved For Release 2000/08 #07: #19.53 #07: #1965: 6-00788R000200200001-8 there by itself, and... That's an elevator here. Is that correct? Uh, this is looking at it from the side. Side view. It's that kind of thing. Just looks like a...a gate standing there. I had gotten a piece of that before and assumed it to be fencing. That was probably an erroneous thought. There might be fencing there but...I, I was getting that impression. Let me put a north arrow on this too. Feeling like this was north. Not immediately off the top of the page for angling off to the left, I think that's... by virtue of the way we draw on these papers is probably why north is always there, but...going inside the building I got the impression that you went through a door and indoor corridor that went down into a T intersection, and there's...there's something, ok, something across the front of the door. It's either to drop the light level... deliberately drop the light level or it's a blackout curtain type thing right immediately inside of the door. And the T intersection...this one goes to the right and there's like a...sort of double doors... swinging doors, and then it goes on down a little ways. About the same distance to a door, and this way goes down a little ways and makes a left like this to a-door. When I was down in this double door area...down in this area I...all of a sudden 1 had an impression that...I have to call an impression that there was..-like.an old stype computer type system back up in here. That's the area circled with the dash lines. Yeah. Right. I'll right in here. These are corridors and this is old style. computer system. Somewhere in this area. I saw the... Page 3. I saw that circular radio pattern, and this time I got an impression...like it was...if I can do this justice here...like I was looking at...at bow shapes in it Can you see that? Does that make any sense to you? You know what I'm talking about. Like, like drooping wires, ok with poles or something. These are heavier when they're drooping wire. And... this might be where I'm getting....I'm just getting a really strong impression of...like...like this thing is...if this was an exact perpendicular line right, but the...the face orientation of this thing Approved For Release 7000108 Pe 00728RO00200200001-8 aig!
. Approved For Release 2000/08/Q #07: #195: #07: #19.5% #07: #195: Approved For Release 2000/08/0ftg wpe" 0788R000200200001-8 - would be 20 to 22 degrees north northeast, ok. You know...the plain. Do you think this is an antenna? I don't...I don't know if it's an antenna or if it's a..esupport for something under it. I don't know if this is a clothes line. You know. I'm just saying I get a real strong impression that there's some form of...of collection being done but it's not a SIGINT sight.’ It's different kind of collection. This thing you've drawn here...was this result of awareness or was this result of imagery that you were looking at? Do you have a feeling about this ... it was: other than imagery.....because you said you had an impression a moment ago and I...... Well, my impressions are sort of a mixture of both. Sometimes they're stronger on the imagery side and sometimes they're not imagery at all. It's just... words that come into my mind that I have to say. This concept...conceptual here or is.... This is a concept is what I'm trying to say. This I feel the pattern, ok. These support things with drooping lines I would say exist somewhere on that target. The impression I get is that the plain or the face...the facial plain of this is 20 to 20 degrees 20 to 22 degrees off perpendicular to the earth's face, ok. When I went up in the air, over the target I got... I got an impression of looking over the horizon of globe, ok. I got the impression that we're somewhere here.«..-this being the equator, and that there's a... what they call the eastern test range that comes down like this across the equator. This is the old eastern test range, ok. It doesn't exist anymore. This dates back to when Canaveral was open and operating and everything, and that this point on the globe is looking through the eastern test range. This being...target. It's actually looking through the eastern test range. Do you see what-I'm saying? Some form of peripheral collection of some sort. Page 5. Saw a room. Shielded room and it had...the shielding was...like...the shielding was like wires. Just all woven together like this, and they had about i 96-00788R000200200001-8
. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 #07: #19.5: #07: #19..53 #07: #435: #195: #435: : Api 100788R000200200001-8 the same gauge as...that would be a cross section. Did you get a feel for ‘the spacing of...for that grid? These...these...yeah. Spacing would be about that, and they were bronze colored. That might be overlay, ok. Room was fairly large, and it was gray. All I had seen was a corner with a shielding in it. I sensed alot of power in this room, and it's not electrical power. It's like output power of some. other frequency. Possibly telemetric type output. I don't know. That sort of thing. I missed part of it. Did he have anything to draw? I heard you mention something ...to look down there 200 meters cast..ceres Oh. Page 6. Yeah. This is the building over here, and you went to the east 200 meters. I got an impression of some kind of storage tanks layed :end to end on their sides, and these were’ like in boxes or on boxes or in frames of some sort. Might 'be fencing or something...samething defined as square around them, and from those all the way across here.«eand down in here I got alot of poles and wires. I got alot of parking here. Parking here with vehicles. I got.....commercial and military mixed...roof tops over here, and I had a feeling if I went too far in _this direction, somewhere in here was water. All water. If I went too far to the east I would fall in the water. I have no further questions. Ok. Early in the session #19.5, you talked about the road pattern in the area. Oh, yeah. That's right. I don't know what made me say anything about the road...I got...I got this impression...like...everything about the road...the patterns of the road were like Ys. I'm not really sure that these are roads. Just like...all the interconnecting roads are Ys. And I mentioned it because it was...it was really eye-appealing. It might have something to do with the target. Just call it ground patterns. In relationship to all this where was the small airfield? 9 Approved For Release ee ARF ERE oe erin .
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