Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- -00788R000400760001-5 #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: ff07: #66: #07: #66: HO7 : #66: #07: #66: 07 : Okay. Why don't we make those....uh.... -ean A and a B. An A and a B? A, being the torpedo like object, and # being a shape that you perceived later as being...uh...the front maybe of the torpedo object or what did you perceive..... I don't know. It was the same blamed angle that I saw the other. I'd been trying to look at this thing, and trying to figure out if the thing was «= torpedo or if it was a bomb, if it was a rocket.....1 couldn't identify it, and while I was doing it, this thing flashed in real strong. You mean B. B Flashed in real strong and disappearnd on me. Uh..... you want those in ink, right. I just couldn't get the attachemnt of the tails to the frame, but I felt there were some kind of fins there. Okay. Now on page 2 if you could draw a picture of the airplane that you've perceived. You seemed to see it several times, and did state once thal it was rather large. The, the first aircraft that I saw very early was not the thing I saw with the light flash under it. Oh. I see. Okay. Well, show me the thing with the light flash.... The thing that's connected with the torpedo object in someway. Hummm...-I've lost it. It's a..... i can't remember the nose too well there, but I could see Lhe under portion, you know, really under here, really I.t up, very, very bright. Uh... I thought I was very close to it. I Felt that the thing that lit it up was over my right shoulder, and I thought I was up close to this thing, and looking up at it. One time you called this an airplane or a model of an airplane, too. Yeah. I don’ t know why the hell I said that. I don't have the feel for that now. I.....- And, as you draw it, is it airborne’ Well, it felt like it was hainging, you know. I was secing this hanger, hangerette like thing, and this thing seemed wese 2 looked up when I thought I was in this dark eNCclOSUTe....e6. .-looking to see if there was anything there. I saw the aircraft, and I wis looking up at it, and I was wondering why it didn't have wheels down. So, I don't know. JI.....something happened there. I Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/0 =@hteieGGuae 788R000400760001-5 #07: don't know what all happened, but......-ee. I don't know, It didn't have..erceree It must have been airborne. I saw no wheels down. Okay. This aircraft doesn't look exactly right, but.....-. ses #66: Nou, did you.... I'm confused a little bit about the torpedo object. Is it attached in someway to the airplane? #07: No. I could see that...uh...my thoughts separated from me. #66: Because you just.....yeah...you just guid that the explosion was over your shoulder when you saw the flash in the airplane. #O7: You know, I don't think the torpedo thing was in that aircraft. #66: You don't think it was ever in there? #07: I don't know whether it was ever or nol. I felt that the aircraft was lit up by it. Although, | didn't turn around and look to sce if that was the torpedo thing. I was just aware of this bright (mumbling) figure like I hadn't scen or felt before...and...1 didn't expect that. I was looking to see if there was anything in there, and I saw the aircraft. #66: Okay. #07: And, I saw it light up from underneath. And, I don't know whether the thing was in the hanger or outside. Tt was black. HOG: Okay. Then, let's move on to page 3 now and draw this thing that you call a hangerette. #O7s Aha. This is going to be awful difficult, but I only saw portions of it, and I'm sure I'L] Fill in from memory, because I worked a problem like this...uh...with the agency in, what was it, oh yeah..-+eeceeseeers #66: You're speaking of working this from. -uh..photo qaph imagery or something. #O7s Photograph interpretation, yeah. #66: I see. #07: t don't know. (Mumbling) some kind af bunker. #66: Okay. Let me see if I can review this again. 10 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5 #07: I'm not seeing that much with all of Lhe imagery that I WaS.e.e--Was going by me. #662 Okay. You have something like a mound of dirt or something over the top of the.....--. #07: Big, cement reinforced concrete....bunker like thing...e. shaped like....-- #66: Okay. And, when asked what was in there, you felt that.....- #07: I felt that the, and I may have...saw !he bomb again...e.. I said bomb or torpedo like thing, rocket, whatever, and when I saw that I figured....well, you know...-.l was asked what's, you know, where this is or whal this is or something, and I thought well, it must be in there. 1 didn't see them actually together, but I felt that they were. It might have been overlay. 1! don't know. #66: Did you see..did you feel the aircraf! was inside this (mumbling). #07: That's what I thought! I thought an wireraft was in there, and I looked around. I saw the flash, and I thought, well, gec, the hanger's going to go tuo, and 1 couldn't see the hanger then. All I could see was the aircraft (mumbling) from underneath and blackness..-.. And, when you said, look and see what's in the hanger, I saw the aircraft. I naturally thought it was in the hanger right there. #66: Okay. Then, when we tried to fix this event in a time pattern here, the beginning of the session was somewhat confusing because you started out having imagery what looked like an airfield. #07: Yeah. I sav parallel lines, and vanishing in the distance, you know, CLOSING... ++eeee #66: And, then some other buildings and yuu called it an airfield, at one time. #07: Yeah. Warehouses or hanger like things, 1 thought. #66: And, then you said something about, ....-- it. #07: That was interpretation, I guess. #66: Well, at any rate..... #O7: I thought there was a very large aircraft, and a lot of people outside. I don't know. I got a long blank there. 1 don't know what happened after thal. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5