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V:
...that
it’s controllable...
M:
Um, hum.
...and, what this
is,
is they’re, they're now juggling the programming and playing
with the, the possible parts or pieces in an attempt to fine tune
it.
To get the best
balance or equilibrium between output versus focus versus energy versus this versus
that, and they’re creating greater and greater distances.
M:
Um, hum.
V:
In other words, they’re actually pulling further and further away from the target.
M:
Um, hum.
They’re,
I
keep
getting
this
ro,
almost
automatic
inner-rotational
thing
that’s
happening between parts
of
this
thing.
Where one part bolts on the
other and
they’re in constant communication and, and, one
is saying more A, more C, more
E...
M:
Um, hum.
V:
Reduce D, and, and the other one
is saying you got that, what’s happening now,
that sort of thing, and the entire time this
is happening, there
is also
a
target,
a
specific
target,
a
general
specific
target,
a
general
specific
target,
that’s
smart.
There’s an actual target that’s being subjected to
it at the same time simultaneously,
from which data
is also being collected so that when they’re, they don’t even know,
in other words,
it’s, uh,
it’s like you need, you need three separate components of
information.
You need information based on what the
different parts are doing
simultaneously.
Based on what they’re doing and their effect on the target, in the
sensors around the target, the original controlling-type device the modifies what’s
happening.
So,
it’s
like
it needs information from
three
locations
in
order
to
decide what to do next.
In order to optimize what’s happening in three different
locations.
It’s uh,
it’s not like your typical gun, you know, where you pull a trigger
and you get one effect.
It’s more like you’re dealing with three different locations
and three different effect simultaneously and trying to bring them
all into balance.
M:
Well, that leads me to another question about the actual function of this and
I can
see
a couple of different things and
I was wondering whether you had any more
specific information about
the function,
I mean
it could be
a weapon system,
it
could be a propulsion system that actually propels a large mass of something some
place, or
it could be a kind of energy sending system.
Or,
it might one of a bunch
of a whole bunch of other things that are....
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V:
My feeling
is, my feeling
is, that
it’s using,
it’s using one form of energy we’ll
call
A...
M:
Um, hum.
V:
...to generate B...
M:
Um, hum.
V:
...a form of energy.
M:
Um, hum.
V:
B form of energy
is then interacting with the target.
M:
OK.
V:
And
it’s doing damage molecularly to that target.
M:
OK.
V:
And the problem
is that the B format
is terribly difficult to control.
M:
OK.
A
is barely controllable. And there’s so many aspects to A that they’re learning to
control A and they are observing for the
first time the real effects on B. In other
words, the wave front
is producing for the
first time ever, they are now seeing what
the effects of that are.
M:
Um, hum.
V:
So they are now trying to optimize the, the impact power of that wavefront so they
need to play with A and B simultaneously to tune them one to the other.
M:
Um, hum.
The effect the target
is absolute devastating.
I mean,
it turns metal to vapor.
You
know,
it just alters
it molecularly to beyond recognition.
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M:
Um, hum.
V:
And
I think that creates a secondary problem that
it does the same thing to sensors.
M:
Um, hum.
So, they’re constantly replacing sensors while they’re testing this, and
it also eats an
enormous amount of electrical current and they, they store that for the testing in
these big capacitor-type things, uh,
1 think that’s like an initiator.
Like
it gets the
ball rolling, so to speak.
Uh,
it’s,
it’s a really,
it’s a simple device.
Till you try to
control
it and
it becomes extremely complex.
And, uh,
if,
if I had, and
it certainly
is projecting something in a, in a really violent way, but it’s a very cohesive simplistic
thing that’s projecting and one of my problems is I hesitate to say that it’s some kind
of a ray or something.
It’s more
like a wave
front, and. ..it’s not like, you know,
laser beams are very narrowly focused.
Those are, that’s what
I would
call like a
death
ray.
Then
you
have
projectile
launchers
that
fire
rounds
of
bullets
or
impact-type implements that destroy things and blow up and create huge amounts
of heat. And it’s definitely not that.
It’s more like a destructive wave front and it’s
very short lived and really intense,
I mean, super, super intense. And it’s so violent
that passing
it through
air
is not a good,
a
difficult thing to do. Uh,
I think that
basically might have to do with
its short wavelength. You know, that air is the cause
of
it.
As a matter of fact,
it,
it,
that, that’s part of the consideration.
And, uh,
there's peripheral effects from
it.
It’s so hard to control that
I don’t,
I don’t think
they can get
it down to a very narrow beam, or maybe they don’t want to.
I keep
getting another impression.
It’s like
a
psi impression, but
I don’t know
if this
is
concept or idea, or visionment, or just plain overlay.
But
I keep getting this thing
that looks like an old World War II mine.
It’s a round ball with spikes sticking out
all over
it.
M:
Hum.
V:
And
it’s not very big.
M:
Um, hum.
It’s a meter across and
it’s floating in just black, you know,
it’s like the old Sputnik
satellite, that’s what
it looks like.
But
I don’t know what that has to do with this.
I
feel like
it’s,
it’s some way connected, though, something to do with this testing.
It
might be, uh, conceptually dealing with
it in some way.
That’s essentially
it.
You
gotta
fly with this.
M:
I do, huh?
V:
You gotta
live with
this.
Yeah.
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M:
OK,
well, thanks a
lot.
V:
I’ll darken
it in.
M:
OK.
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