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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
12 December 1980
SUBJECT:
Summary
of Visit
to SRI-I
(8-10 Dec 80)
1.
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PURPOSE:
This MFR covers
the primary points covered during my
3-day
visit
to SRI-I.
LTC Richard
E.
Hartzell,
INSCOM Command Psychologist,
accompanied me.
COL Chad White,
ADCSOPS-HUMINT
,
spent Monday,
8 Dec 80 with
us,
but then had
to leave
to conduct official business elsewhere.
2.
(U)
Attached as Incl
is an outline
of the schedule that we followed.
3.
(S/N0F0RN)
I briefed
the following SRI-I personnel
on the current status
of
the proposed Joint Services
contract:
SGI J
Dr.
Hal Puthoff
Russell Targ
Dr.
Ed May
Beverly Humphrey
DIA
(Program monitor)
I made it very
clear that
I was not privy
to the results of the numerous meetings
taking place between the Service JAG's no r what the recommendations were going
to be.
I stressed that the problem seemed
to be the age-old one of moving; any
proposal
of importance through the system.
Also,
I had no reason
to believe
that the proposed contract would fail
to be approved.
I
informed everyone that
we
(INSCOM)
would have to wait for
the Services’
legal officers to clarify
the
situation and then get DA approval for Army participation in the program.
When
DA gives approval,
then OACSI will give INSCOM the
' go-ahead" for providing
concrete guidance
to the SRI— I
contractors.
Until that
time,
INSCOM
(and ACSI)
does not want SRI-I
to begin working
on any portion
of the proposed Joint Services
contract that directly relates to our requirements.
4.
(S/N0F0RN)
We did discuss what the goals would be of the two programs that
INSCOM would want SRI-I
to carry out once approval was obtained from DoD/DA.
The
goals
of these two programs would be:
a.
Audio/Sematic Analysis
- Develop Audio Analysis techniques that
can,
under operational conditions,
separate the correct from the incorrect statements
concerning data available from taped viewer descriptions
of remote viewing
problems.
b.
Targeting Requirements
- Develop techniques which will indicate what
is required for target acquisition,
and whether
or not
these techniques
or
abilities are individual
in nature.
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5.
(S/NOFORN)
We also discussed the status of
the program currently being
organized
to work on
the tracking/locating RV problem.
This program is
separate from the Joint Services proposal,
and has already been funded by ACSI
.
However,
as of this date
the
50K
that ACSI
transferred
to FTD for eventual use
at SRI-I
still has not reachsd SRI-I.
I was informed by
that budgetSGIJ
officers from SRI-I
and FTD have discussed the situation and
on that basis
SRI-I
is satisfied that the money
is on
the way.
Therefore,
Dr.
Puthoff and
associates have already started work
on this program.
agreed
to
SG1J
monitor this situation for Army and
to stay
on
top
of
the money problem.
I
told him
I would check with OACSI
,
but felt that Army would have no objections
and thanked him for his offer.
6.
(S/NOFORN)
During my meeting with
Ingo Swann
I
learned that he
(Swann)
was upset that Army had apparently chosen not to back
the development
of
his
"new training program"
and that Army was instead proposing
to put their
money into other aspects of
the program.
Apparently,
Mr.
Swann felt that his
briefing to Army personnel in late July
80 had been cm/ei^foj^the purpose of
SG1J
obtaining funds from Army.
In
a later meeting with^^^^^^^|the subject came;
up
again.
I
informed l^^^^^^^that
I
had not perceived the July 80 meeting
as
a "pitch"
for funds,
and at that time in response to our questions Mr.
Swann
had stated that his program would not be completed for almost
1 year at which
time we could negotiate for having some
of our personnel
trained.
At this
time,
Swann does not appear ready to agree
to training any outsiders unless he has
complete control over the selection process,
and any follow-on training that might
be needed.
He reacted
in
a very hostile manner
to my inquiry aboutttTepossibility
of some people receiving training in the next year
or
so.
Again,
SG1J
explained this hostile attitude as being
a result of Swann's perceived idea
that
the Army did not want
to back his program, ^^^^^^^went on to explain that
even though DIA will be funding this aspect of the overall program there will
not be enough money
to see
the training program through completion.
In response
to whether or not Army would be willing
to put some dollars into this segment
of the program,
I
told
would let OACSI
know of his concern and
that
he should bring
the subjec^j^ar the quarterly Grill Flame meeting on the
23d of Jan 81.
7.
(S/NOFORN) ^^^^^^^Jgave the following summary
as being the current
status at SRI-I regarai^^uork in the Grill Flame arena:
a.
As
of the 1st of
FY
81,
SRI-I was out of funds to carry
on work
in the
Grill Flame area.
b.
That
a "dummy"
contract number has been set up
to charge against
until joint contract gets approved.
This is being done on basis of conversation
with Dr.
Verona and
c.
That SRI-I will have
to let some project personnel
go
as
of the first
of
the year.
This will probably be one Senior Scientist and some kind
of cut-
back
in administrative personnel.
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8.
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I expressed my strong reservations about the legality
of working
against tasks when no contracts have been approved and stressed again that
we wanted no work done
on Army projects until contracts were approved.
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LTC,
MI
INSCOM GRILL FLAME
Project Manager
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