" Approved For Release 2000/0% # 66 #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: C t NT BRAIN Release 200 rr : &DP96-00788R001900170001-4 All right. Now take a minute to go deeper, so that you can be there at the meeting. You've given me a lot of good observational things. Take a minute now to go deeper into the meeting itself. I will wait. oeeeeeeeeelt'S all a preliminary meeting. It's like a..conditional meeting. They're laying ground work for later meetings. ».see a....some form of..discussion or, .negotiation for exchange....Talking about....changes in a position. .Ah..this involves a third party. .. Ah..has to do with a....a..elimination of a..power base of a third party. Great deal of money involved. ».-Exchange for taking something from a third party. » But it's not an object, it's a....it's a power of some kind..effectiveness. It's like person B is selling out person not present..to person A. Okay. Continue through the meeting and describe the attitude of the person A, the person B. Just a minute. ..... ---.-Person A is...a a...very..um...manipulative...soft spoken; B is...almost a spilt personality..type person....His attitude is...a...one of pretension a...portrayal, whatever is necessary. Okay. Rather than a personality profile, I'm interested in the ebb and flow of the tide of the meeting itself. Okay, just a minute. -..A..much discussion, much argument about..third person and degree of power ..desired to be maintained. Ah..lot of give and take proposals..but a..I don't...I get an impression of...longer they discuss it, the more farther apart they become. It becomes more disagreeable. Person B is..extremely aggressive.. fFanatical...a...see a culmination of severe spilt...pending a, pending a...aggressive..pending deterioration of a..agreement. I don't see any success. Constant tugging and pulling..this meeting. Describe the end of the meeting to me. A-RDP96-00788R001900170001-4
ee poeT: ere tare "Approved For Release 2000/08/08 *€4A-RDP96-00788R001900170001-4 #01: ....See a..A person..attempting reason at all the way to end. B person is..threatening,..very threatening,..stomps out of the room......issues threats and leaves. A  person...apparently frustrated but not..doesn't appear to be threatened, just frustrated at the..inability to...agree. Get an overall taste that a.....agreement is necessary to..stability somewhere, but it's a very..oblique impression, it's like more political stability than..factual. It's like a..splitting of command or something. See some involvement of other people..in the talk. Each brought other people to..aid their arguments. .....See failure of the meeting. #66: All right. I have a couple of questions for you. #01: Okay. #66: Focusing on person A, and only on person A, describe person A to me. #01: Small..a dark skin, black hair, silver in hair..thick mustache,..very well dressed...Wait, he's a...scratch the mustache, there is no mustache. It's overlay, it's got many people with him that have those, but he doesn't. ..-Has a...very disciplined appearance. +. Delicate hands,..even though he's the one threaten, I think..he's more dangerous than B....more cunning. #66: All right. A is recognized, is distinguished by a characteristic. #01: Just a minute. #66: U.S. Intelligence would know A by this description, by this characteristic. #01: eee eevee ee KEEP getting something about the...about the face, ...-<Keep wanting to say scars, but I don't see any. #66: Okay. Just run through your description one more time and see what comes up. Just take a look at him and just give me a police like description of him as fast as you can. SETA -RDP96-00788R001900170001-4 C E NT ER PANE Release 2
" Approved For Release 2000 GA eperee-00728%001900170001-4 #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #663 #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: Short, 5'5", black -hair, dark skin and silver in hair..he's got glasses..wire rimmed glasses..a light frame,..some pock markings on the cheeks. That's all I get. How old would you say he is? «+44 or 45, You say he is well dressed? Very disciplined dresser, yes. All right. Wears a closed collar. Don't see any tie though. Now I have one other question. During the initial phases of this meeting, you described discussions surrounding further meetings. That's correct. This meeting then deteriorated away from some sort of an agreement. My question is, do you perceive a further meeting, a subsequent meeting? Just a minute. I will wait. see eee I see a..meeting with a . counter proposals..10 days, 2 weeks from the first meeting...but in a different location. See it occurring in a place..chosen by A..person. ....B is absolutely essential to A,..in some way, his capacity to provide something, ..something esoteric. -.ee.-For the first meeting, A is unwilling..to give what he has to give. Who is it that's unwilling? A... think there's a mutual distrust. B has more distrust for A than A for B. And B is willing not to give what A wants,..for a price A offers. And the subsequent meeting? P96-00788R0019001 70001 -4
a Approved For Release sooo at tese-oo7esr001800170004-4 #01: Things will be more fruitful. ...See a result of the..subsequent meeting is going to cause...wait a minute, I lost it, just......be cause for great violence over the second meeting. #66: Okay. Take a moment to collect your thoughts and try to explain that to me again. #01: Try to, just a minute. ..... I just see like, I see a spark of...violence occurring as a result of the second meeting. #66; All right. #01: Just this ignition of violence. #66: Okay. The meeting is described as having fruitful results. #01: That's correct. #663 Results also include some spark of violence, some act of violence occurring? #01: No. Results of the meeting...generate violence. #66: All right. That's good the word generate, results of the meeting, generate violence. #01; That's correct. #66; Okay. Can you break out the term violence. What is the raw data perceived? #01; ..see like a..time period of pause...and then a.. just a spark of violent action, explosion, exploding into violent action all over. I don't know how to explain that. #663 Okay, that's fine. Okay, we've covered an encounter between A and B on the 26th, today, 26 May 83, a meeting and then a subsequent meeting. I have no further questions, but I would like you now to explore on your own. Take a few minutes now to explore on your own beyond the confines of my questions. Ned For Release 2000/02/02-.C1A.RDP96-00788R001900170001-4
Approved For Release 2000/08/68: 3P96-00788R001900170001-4 #Ol: —«—_—_—_ ne ww wees It's like the first meeting is..all INManeuver,...feeling each other out..lot of pushing and pulling to see limits of each other. To B, the second meeting is a...more fruitful....That's all I get. #66: All right, fine. 6 E N T E Paco AN Fro Release 2008f@t#@G=emGsA -RDP96-00788R0019001 70001 -4 6