Approved For Release 2000/08/07 SEEREF co scooso001-s #66: #1: #66: #1: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R PAUSE Um hm. Getting all my parts to working here. Okay. Stretch your arms, stretch your legs, and sit up when you're ready. I don't think I want to move. Ha ha ha. I'll giveyou a little light and maybe that will help you wake up. PAUSE I feel like all my muscles go to sleep. PAUSE (Not audible) PAUSE Well, Page 1. Building - its all like this. I get the impression they're sliding doors on these two sides, there and on this side over here. Large sliding doors. And there's like a... these things like in layers. There's like a big section of cleared floor back here. And its up . . raised up like. And there's a catwalk going to it that goes down this way. And... We'll call the raised floor "A" and the catwalk "B", And there's like papers drawn on this thing. You know, like . . and there's people walking around on it. Right here is like a... right on the end of that, .. . is this big thing that looks like a coffin with a round end and a cover like in two pieces that's up. And I get the impression like there's partial hull plates under it. And like, this is a mock up of the back of a submarine. I wonder. . . That's funny I didn't see it as a back of a submarine before. That's what it looks like. Its on a big frame type stand. There's like catwalks that go all the way around it. We'll call this "C". And then there's another clear section over here that looks like there's some ... . I don't know, its like an assembly area, like they put parts or pieces together here. That's in the dotted line, that's "D". And then I get the idea that over all of this, there's this .. . there's like this . . this kind of thing. Its a lift type thing that does this. Here a whole building comes back and goes out a door into a tunnel over here and this is like a railroad track. 0001 li
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : SEER nooo ro00s0001-2 #66 You said you saw more than one tunnel (not audible) or something? #1: Yeah. I'11 get to those in a minute. #66: Okay. #1: This . . . tunnel or walkway or whatever it is is very large. And this track goes through it into another building which is comparatively smaller right here. These are the quays over here. #66: On the top of the page? #1: On the top of the page are the quays. #66: Would you write that in there? #13 Yes. And, the parts, the large parts of pieces are motivated down through these, through this type of apparatus, rail track, if you will. #663 Is that on the floor, the tracking? #1: No. No. Its in the air. Suspended from the ceiling. #66: Oh I see, okay, like a crane lift (not audible)? #1: Yeah. Right. Only there's a whole lot of them and there appears to be that there are some -— of course I'll make dotted lines to represent it - some going crossways that are under those or over those some way. . . like switching stations so to speak. #663 Okay. #1: And all under this are just huge machines. Just lining these tracks. Going all the way around. And the rest of the room is just huge big machines. Like its some kind of a .. like . . machinst's dream to have this place. PAUSE #663 And what do these machines do? What . #1: They're cutting metal or bending metal, welding metal, shaping metal. Its like a tool and die works. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP'9-00788R000100030001-8 i F
#66: #1: #66: #1: #663 #1: #66: #66: #1: #66: #1: Approved For Release 200010807 SRPMS $072272000100020001- PAUSE And these rails go out of the building here at these doors. PAUSE Where the arrows are. Now what's really interesting, kind of a mind blower, is that back here is two more tunnels, like entrances exits. They're like thoroughfares. But, right immediately over these openings - I want to draw this on Page 2. Immediately over these two openings, like this was the building. . . these two tunnels are, there's like three catwalks or four catwalks. Four catwalks. With windows. Only they're windows looking in. And there's, you know, up and down stairs ... This is a side view of it? Yeah, this is a side view. Its really strange. And then these windows is .. . all these windows are lit and there's all people with funny hats in these windows. On the inside? On the inside. If I was to look through the windows from the outside I would see people with funny hats inside? No. . You are inside looking out, you'd see people with funny hats in the windows. Okay. “If you're outside looking in, you would see machines. But you wouldn't be able to be outside looking in. I don't know why. But there's light up here. I don't know as I understand... Bright light. Band of light here. I don't know as I understand your concept there of (not audible) stand outside and look in? its like. . Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-04 Frtad 08 400830001 -8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : on Bete cteco 100030001 #66: #1: #662 #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: #66: #663 #1: windows? No. Its like a double wall, I guess, with offices inbetween the walls. But these tunnels go some- where. All right. See two additional tunnels but they don't carry any equipment. The otherone, the big tunnel, Page 3, looks like this conceptually. PAUSE This is the tunnel in between buildings? Right and coming along is this rail that goes down this tunnel. An overhead rail? An overhead rail goes down this tunnel and then goes out either direction like this in the other building. Um hm. And there's like a lift here, you know, that tye thing. Hooked and there's parts or pieces or whatever gets toted on down through this tunnel. Only this thing is very, very huge like a. . . person standing in it would be . . . very small. Very dark tunnel. Just . . things go down it. I feel like there's layers of these for some reason. These rails. PAUSE And, that's about all I got really. Okay. Oh, there's that . . that coffin like thing. I get the impression it looked like this. With a round end. Goes something like this. And there's like two sections to the top just like a coffin. And the really weird thing about it is I can see hydraulics here like this on the ends, you know, like hydraulics in here. But I can also see tubes down here with hydraulics like and then .. . Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- 960788R000100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : STEERER 0001000300018 #66: Okay, which end is up or which end was fastened to the submarine. #1: The end that I'm going to put the arrow to was fastened to the submarine. #66: So that would .. the part that you drew is up » . » (not audible) . #1: Its actually .. . #66: Are you drawing it upside down or is it fastened to the top of the submarine? #1: Tt fastens to the top. #66: All right. It fastens to the top of the submarine. #1: And this. . . this would be like replacement under the dotted lines, would be like replacement part for actually plating on the sub. #663 Um hm. #1 Its like a mod... an integral mod. . its like a modification that reugires an intdryal change to the actual construction of this sub hull. a0 #66: Okay. And so they could take pieces of the old sub hull out and put this insert this in that position? #1: Right. And I don't understand the reason for such a modification. I get the feeling like for somewhere, the word "large" comes into play here for some reason. And I see . . interlocking concentric circles when I look in it like a tub full of bubbles. . . or something. But... they're all interlocking. And somewhere in that interlocking mess is this clamp type device that I was seeing earlier. These aren't tubes. I don't. . . These are like #66: The clamp type device, you said wasa.. TURN OVER TAPE PAUSE #1: And. . there's a lot of . . its like a whole bunch of clamps. I don't know. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : RE moons
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ©} ch “ B.0)708R000100030001-8 #663: #1: #663 #1: #66: #1: #66: #1 Okay, what you're saying is, is the clamp device that you saw before did not reappear in this session so you're trying to figure out where it might have been? Yeah. Its .. Its .. you know, let's leave it at interlocking circles. Okay. I'd better quit, I'm starting to. . Okay, fine. Starting to get a little punchy here. Okay, we're going to turn it off then. Okay. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- aD OY 8842000100030001-8