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SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE
Interview Summary
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HU-1069/8404/01
(U)
1.
(S/CL-3/N0F0RN)
On
210930 March
1984,
source
#01
was
interviewed
by monitor
#66 concerning
the
location
of
an
individual
identified
as
William
F.
Buckley.
The
project
8404
sponsor
had
provided
a
photograph
of
Buckley
(see
Incl
1).
2.
(S/CL- 3/N0F0RN)
For
this
interview
source
was
provided
a
coordinate
and
a
designated
time
and
asked
to
focus
his
attention
on
the
events
he
perceived.
Source
was
not
told
of
suspected
activities.
No
other
identifying
data
was
provided
to
source.
All
other
information
was
withheld
for
use
as
feedback
and
cuing
for
possible
subsequent
interviews.
3.
(U)
A transcript
of
the
interview was prepared
(see
Incl
2).
4.
(U)
A DA Form
341
(Agent
Report)
was
prepared
for
the
sponsor.
This
report
related
the
salient
points
of
the
interview.
Attached
to
the
report
were drawings provided by
the
Source
(see
Incl
3).
Association with
the
below named
individual
and
Military
Intelligence
is
CONFIDENTIAL.
SGI J
Incl
as
NOTE:
Information
of
immediate
operational
value
was
provided
to
sponsor
immediately,
or
as
soon
as
possible,
after
the
interview.
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This
will
be
a
Center
Lane
Interview
for
3/21/84,
time
is
9:32
A.M.
We
now
at
plus
minutes.
We
have
reduced
voltages
as
would
be
expected
at
this
point.
We're
just
about
ready
to
begin.
All
right
now,
continue
to
relax,
continue
to
relax
and
concentrate
solely
and
completely
on
the
area,
degrees
53 minutes
seconds
north
degrees
28 minutes
seconds
east
Focusing
on
this
point
March
1984.
degrees
minutes
seconds
north
degrees
28 minutes
seconds
east
on
March
1984
and
describe
your perception
to
me.
Very
large ... hesitate
to
call
it
a
building,
it's
like
a
warehouse
or
a
factory
building.
There's
a
lot
of
clutter.
There's
odd
shapes
all
around
it.
And
your perspective
as
you
observe
this?
Ah
800
feet
top
right
corner
looking
down.
Characterize
the
area
surrounding
this
building
that
you
found.
See
a
long
narrow,
narrow
ribbons
of
concrete,
a
lot
of
dirt,
open
and
cluttered
at
the
same
time.
Give
me
a
second.
I
will
wait.
We're
now
at
plus
minutes
and
we
have
voltage
reversal,
holding
at
microvolts
reversal
.
Fences
within
fences,
buildings ,.... area
off
to
the
side
is
some
form
of
ah.. raised
earth
and
clay
,
construct
(bumps)
(mumble)
The
buildings
in
this
area,
what's
their
general
type
of construction
and
coloring?
Cinder
block,
tan,
very
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#66:
All
right
let's
move
from
this
point
on
March
84,
let's
move
in
time
to
our
second
location
which
is
a
specific
building
near
where
you
are
now.
Are
you
ready?
#01:
Oust
a
minute.
#66:
All
right,
I
will
wait.
All
right,
move
now
from
this
area
to
the
front
ground
level
of
the
building
known
as
the
Menara
Building,
to
the
front
of,
on
the
ground,
the
Menara
Building.
Move
now
to
the
Menara
Building,
in
front
of,
on
the
ground,
the
Menara
Building
and
describe
the
Menara
Building
to
me
.
#01:
It's
(mumble)
under
ah
projection,
flat
,
and
there's
some
curve
to
it
,
ah .. portico
type
entry,
Seems
to
appears
to
be
two
levels
of
glass,
vertical
lines.
#66:
Describe
your
position
as
you
observe
this.
# 01
:
Standing
on
a
wide
walk,
concrete.
# 66
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All
right,
back
away
from
the
front
of
the
Menara
Building,
feet,
back
away
from
it,
feet
from
the
front
and
looking
back,
and
describe
the
Menara
Building
to
me.
...Ah
I
get
an
impression
that
I'm
seeing
a. ..a
rather
wide
area
in
front,
that's
not
really
as
wide
as
the
entire
building,
the
building's
much
wider
behind
the
front
section,
ah... like
a.. short
end
of
a
"T"
shape.
There
are
many
buildings
in
this
area,
we
wish
you'd
focus
exclusively
on
the
Menara
Building,
the
building
called
the
Menara
Building
and
describe
the
front
of
it
to
me.
Protective
roof
o verhang
,
.
.
. see
"L"
shapes
in
the
f ront ,... front
,
horizontal
or
linear
pattern.
...See
some
kind
of
a
star
shape ,... kind
of
like
a
cross,
an
equal
cross.
Getting
an
impression
of
vertical
lines,
black
vertical
lines.
Okay,
let's
get
you
up
off
the
ground.
Go
ahead
and
float
up
off
the
air
so
that
you're
not
having
to
look
at
the
building
from
the
ground,
float
up
in
the
air
and
look
directly
at
the
front
of
it
and
describe
it
to
me
.
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Still
keep
getting
impression
of
large
areas
of
black
glass,....
squares.
Continue
to
let
the
image
resolve.
..Tall
section
of
it,
I
guess,
jutting
out,
ah
like
comes
out
of
the
middle
of
the
building
Oust
keep
getting,
I'll
put
it
in
straight
terms
here,
..squares
reflective
surface,
like
metallic
or
black
glass,
reminded
of
shields,
term
shields.
Okay,
how
many
stories
do
we
have,
how
tall
is
this
building?
.Ah.
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Tell
me
about
your
difficulty,
if
you're
having
difficulty
I
want
to
look
put
it
in
stories
and
I
can't.
Okay,
tall,
short,
multi
story,
single
story.
Multi
story
4,
floors,
but
I
keep
wanting
to make
it
shorter.
I
think
it
has
something
to
do
with
the
design
characteristic,
that
exterior
gives
an
impression
of
stories
due
to
design,
but
it's
not
in actuality
what
it
contains.
Okay,
we
have
a
multi
story
building
with
reflective
glass
squares.
It
would
appear
to
be
adequate
It's
got
a
flat
roof,
there's
like
protrudences
,
there's
some
kind
of
small
nodular
type
things
in
the
roof.
Okay.
There
is
a,
on
these
places
where
the
reflective
glass
are,
on
these
multi
story
buildings,
there's
something
that's
really
unique
that
would
help
me
feel
better
about
this
on
the,
ah.. you
know
dealing
with
the
glass
and
these
front
portions,
see
if
you
can
focus
on
that
and
tell
me
what
is
kind
of
unique
and
different
about
these.
Getting
ah. ...it's
almost
ah. ..well
it's
an
impression
of
girders
with
ah,
I
keep
getting
a
cross
or
"L"
shape
pattern
mixed
with
that.
I
get
ah... like
I'm
.looking
at
the
butra
stata
on
a
strip
ofconcrete.
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#66:
Okay.
I
don't
want
to
waste
anymore
time
here.
Things
that
I
reviewed
some
pictures
of
this
building
and
the
things
that
I
see
with
my
eyes
may
not
be
the
same
things
you're
perceiving.
We
need
now
to
examine
this
particular
time
window
on
the
March
84,
so
I
want
you
to
find
yourself
a
comfortable
place
to
observe
the
front
area
of
the
building
and
tell
me
when
you're
ready
Now
at
plus
minutes
real
time.
All
right
from
your
position
of
observation,
focus
your
attention
on
0800
hours,
on
or
about
0800
hours,
March
84,
local
time
on
or
about
16th,
o'clock
in
the
morning
on
or
about
o'clock
in
the
morning
on
March,
1984.
Describe
your
perceptions
to
me.
#01:
I
see
ah. .(mumble)
couple
cars
parked,
like
off
to
the
side
There's
see
someone
coming
out
of
the
building
with
a....
leather
case
turn
left.
#66:
Stop.
Describe
person
with
leather
case.
#01:
Short,
5'
4", hair
heavily
tinted
silver,
ah..
a
little
on
the
heavy
side,
heavy
I
want
to
say
mustache
or
bushy,
with
very
bushy
mustache,
wearing
a
dark
gray
overcoat,
....age
approximately
,
or
.
. glasses
.
#66:
Okay,
remember
him
and
continue.
#01:
Ah
see
someone
get
out
of
a
car
and
talking.
See
car
door
being
opened
for
him.
He
gets
in
the
car,
person
gets
in
the
car
behind
him.
They
drive
away.
I
don't
see
any
ah,
don't
see
any
evidence
of
see
three
people
in
peripheral ... standing
off
to
side
one
across
the
street,
two
of
them
in
front
of
building.
Bracketing
car,
other
than
that,
I
don't
see
anything
else.
#66:
Okay.
Tell
me
about
the
car.
Describe
the
car
to
me
.
#01:
Compact
size,
four
door ,... well
,
let's
not,
let's
say
it's
full
size,
because
it's
a
little
larger
than
compact,
but
not
as
large
as
one
of
our
full
size
cars.
It's
black,
it's
gray
interior.
Ah.... fairly
new,
but
not
really
of
modern
design.
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Okay.
Let's
focus
on
the
individual,
seems
to
come
out
of
the
building
and
then
taken
to
the
car.
Going
back
to
him,
go
ahead
on
the
March
at
o'clock
in
the
morning.
Okay.
He's
ah... give
me
a
second,
I'll
try
to
get
closer
.
We
are
now
at
plus
minutes
and
we
have
a
voltage
reversal
.
He's
not
expecting
to
meet
these
people,
he's
kind
of
surprised
at
it.
Ah
strong
feeling
of
applied,
implied
force,
but
very
subtly
done.
All
right.
Do
whatever
you
have
to
do
for
the
next
few minutes
to
be
able
to
identify
this
person,
to
know
him,
to
remember
him,
to
lock
him
in.
And
when
you're
ready
let
me
know.
All
right,
now
I'm
holding
a
8"
by
10"
glossy
picture
of
this
individual
right
now,
I
have
my
hand
on
it
right
now,
okay?
I
want
you
to
move
to
present
time,
right
now,
March
1984,
describe
this
person's
location
to
me.
Older
building,
three
floors,
steep
roof ,... dingy
looking
on
the
outside.
It's
like
aged
stone,
see
variant
sizes
of
stone ,... tall
windows,
narrow
tall
windows,.,
large
iron
fence
around
it,....
middle
of
city,
see
a
drive
through,
like
an
arch.
You
could
actually
drive
inside
the
portico
of
the
building ,... large
wrought
iron
gates
in
the
arch.
Excuse
me.
How
far
are
we
from
the
other
location?
....Rough
estimate,
blocks,
blocks
maybe,
mile
.
All
right,
fine.
Go
back
and
describe
to
me
more
about
this
place
with
the
fence
around
it
and
so
forth.
....Ah,
it's
government
building,
official
government
building ,... no
name
on
the
outside,
however,
just
ah
..address
numbers.
Ah... four
layers
of
steps
going
up
to
entry ,... rounded
edges
on
the
entry
way,
stone
work
on
the
entry
way,
both
sides
ah... jutting
pieces
of
stone
coming
out
of
the
doors,
reddish
or
brown
color,
some
discoloration,
like
what
occurs
with
copper
exposed
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