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SESSION REPORT
CLASSIFIED
BY:
Director,
DIA
REVIEW
ON:
30 Jun
EXTENDED BY:
Director,
DIA
REASON:
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#11:
I'm not really seeing anything.
I had.
.
.
I had the feeling of
a car moving from right
to the left behind them on a road that's off
in
a distance
-
120 yards away.
I had
a
+09
feeling of trees,
leaves,
grass
(not audible).
PAUSE
It seems
like
a quiet place.
Its
.
.
Its not
restricted to the public or anything but
.
.
.
in
.
.
.
(not audible)
.
.
of having people
around but
I don;t get the feeling or impression
or
the
image of
a
lot of
them.
There should be
a lot of people around.
It would not be unusual
at certain times
to
find people
(not audible)
PAUSE
#44:
Can you lift up in the air and look down on the
scene and describe
it to me.
#11:
Well,
right now,
I'm still standing
-
I have
facing
#28 and
#33.
Off to my left
I have
a
<
feeling that there's some water,
a pond or lake
.
.
I have
this.
.
I have created this image of
’
+10
Burba Lake.
So what
I need to do now is just go
back
to the basic again and look
for
#28 and #33
and start over again.
PAUSE
+11
I think I'll
try and stand behind them this
time
PAUSE
#44:
What do you see
#28
and #33 doing?
PAUSE
#11:
I'm no where near around #28
at Burba.
Or not.
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I
just had the image of Colonel Sander's,
you
know,
that guy.
Colonel Sander's Kentucky Fried
Chicken.
I
just saw his
face.
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#44:
Can you tell me how you see
it?
#11:
Well you
see,
it was
comical,
it seemed to be
up on
a pole, wrapped around this bucket of
Kentucky Fried Chicken.
There was
the face of
Colonel Sanders.
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PAUSE
#11:
Let me erase
that and go back and
find.
.
.
find the
two outbounders
PAUSE
#44:
Okay,
the time
is now four o'clock.
The
beacons will be leaving the target.
But as
you know,
its perfectly all right to stay there
at the target and get some more descriptions of
the
target.
PAUSE
#11:
Oh,
I don't think there's much sense in persuing
it further.
PAUSE
#44:
Can you tell me anything more about the grain
scattering?
PAUSE
#11:
Yeah.
It appeared from where
I was
(not audible).
Somebody
(not audible)
That looks
like
the
(not audible)
.
Spreading
grain back and
forth.
The back was more towards
me.
And that was
a recurring sensation that
I
had.
#44:
That you had in the beginning,
was
a real person?
#11:
At first
I
did.
At first
I
did.
It seemed like
somebody was tossing dirt or scattering grain.
You know,
how you do it
in
a pattern.
Or even
putting rock salt on an icy sidewalk.
At other
times
I would just see
this
.
.
stuff scattering
out from
a source as
I was
looking at
it.
Maybe
it was even
a water sprinkler.
You know.
#44:
Well,
let's not analyze
it.
#11:
Whatever it was,
something was spraying out.
I'll
label that
2,
and that was
a recurring
thing that kept coming up with.
PAUSE
And at
3,
I had this,
for the lack of anything
better
to explain
it, was
a tube or flange that
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came up bent at the end at approximately
degree
angle,
went off into
a
flange
to attach
to something.
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And I'm going to say that's
solid.
I had
.
.
.
#44:
Did you
.
.
pencil,
give me an idea of maybe
how big things are?
#11:
Ahhh
Not really.
PAUSE
#44:
Okay.
You described it when you first saw it
as
it appeared as
if they were
looking up at
it.
#11:
Right.
Let me try
to put.
.
.
I'll put
a
couple of stick people here.
And I'll do kind
of an overhead projection.
#44:
Are you going to put them up there somewhere?
#11:
Ha ha.
All right.
There you go.
And over
here.
.
kind of straight ahead,
but a little bit
to the left was this tube thing.
With
a flange
on
it.
Over here to the right was
(not audible)
was where this action or scattering was going on.
Behind,
and
I
stood,
I
stood about here where the
"X"
is and looked behind them.
Off
in the distance
.
.
.
I had
a feeling that back here were trees
and
I.
.
swore
I
saw an automobile just for
a
quick second moving from right to left.
And
as
I
was
in this position,
I also had
a feeling over
here or water.
Whether
it was
a lake or a pond,
whatever it was.
And
I really didn't get
a whole
lot else.
Very meager for images
this
time.
#44:
Well,
let's
see.
.
you also said that you saw
the pole with the image of Colonel Sander's
face
on
it.
#11:
Yeah.
Now,
that was really,
I
thought
it was
cute and funny.
But
I had this pole and one
would be standing here and looking up at
it.
And up here there seemed to be
a checken box,
bucket.
And
I can't stand Uncle What
' s-His-Name
'
s
chicken.
But,
it was an old country gent with
long hair and
I guess
I ought to draw
it.
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With
a moustache and one of those crazy goatees
on there,
you know.
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#44:
That's about all that you described to me.
#11:
Fine.
Yeah.
I'm not really sure how
I
feel
about this
session.
It was
.
.
I went rather
deep,
you know,
as far as relaxation goes.
The
images weren't images
like I'm used to seeing.
They were.
.
they seemed to be line thought forms
that were translated into images and feelings.
PAUSE
#44:
Okay.
Did that pipe
(not audible)
seem to go
all
the way
to
the ground?
#11:
I'm not sure.
Because
I was down looking up and
I wasn't.
.
I
couldn't see where
it went.
#44:
Okay.
Did you have the feeling that
it was
a pipe that would contain something?
#11:
No.
To me ...
it was just as
a feeling that
I
felt it was hollow.
It was some type of
support.
Some type.
.
that's
the
feeling
I had
very strong.
A support type or
a connection or
held something up or whatever.
It seemed to be
a
hollow tube.
.
but it ended in
a flange type.
#44:
Good.
Is
there anything
to
say?
else that you'd like
#11:
No.
Not really.
Except
sense
to me right now.
that none of it makes
#44:
Well,
we will
go have
a
course,
make
sense.
look.
And it will,
of
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