IAGPA-F-SD
13 January
1984
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary
- HU-1057/8314/01
(U)
1.
(S/CL-3/N0F0RN)
On
200900
December
198$,
source
#01
was
interviewed
concerning
personnel
and
activities
within
a
building
unknown
to
him.
The
project
8314
sponsor
had
provided
a photograph
of
the
building
(see Incl
1).
2.
(S/CL-3/N0F0RN)
For
this
interview
source
was
shown
the
photograph
provided
by
the
sponsor
and
asked
to
focus
his
attention
on
the
building.
Source
was
not
told,
of
the.
suspected
activities
in
the
building.
No
other
identifying
data
was
provided
to
source.
All
other
information
was
withheld
for
use
as
feedback
and
cuing
for
subsequent
interviews
.
3.
(U)
A
transcript
of
the
interview
was
prepared
which
included drawings provided
by
source
(see
Incl
2).
4.
(U)
A
DA
Form
341
(Agent
Report)
was
prepared
for
the
sponsor.
This
report
related
the
salient
points
of
the
interview.
Drawings were
not
included
in
the
report
because
source
reported having
a
very
bad
headache
after
the
interview
and
provided
the
drawings
several
hours
after
the
interview.
The
drawings
do
not
appear
to
accurately
reflect
the
salient
points
of
the
interview
and
would
have
been
confusing
to
the
sponsor
(see
Incl
3).
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HU-1057/8314/01
#66:
This will
be
a
CENTER
LANE
Interview
for
0900
hours
December
1983.
Relax
and
concentrate
now.
Focus
your
attention
solely
and
completely,
accurately,
all
your
effort,
all
of
your
awareness
on
the
building
in
the
photograph
I’ve
shown
you
and describe
the
target
to
me.
#01:
Ah... large
section
of
warehouse,
storage
areas
large
rooms
Impression
of,... just
a
minute
area
has
been
converted
to
meetings,
normally
a .. conference
like
area
but
it's
been
converted
some
way
for
meetings
with
or
people
It's
on
a
second
floor
area.
....Bunch
of
living
quarters
on
the
....(mumble)
partially
living
quarters
on
the
...second
floor
and
a.. most
all
of
them
third
floor
Trying
to
get
a
feel
for
the
building
itself.
It's
ah. ..things
temporarily
stored
here,... that
are
purchased
and
are
being
transferred
somewhere,
..some
kind
of
boxes
with
equipment.
It's
like
a
corporation
or
a — buying,
selling
place,
a
place
that
buys
and
sells,
kind
of
enterprise.
#66:
All
right.
Let's
focus
on
the
present
time,
right
now.
Describe
the
personnel
in
the
building.
#01:
Ah... mix
of
people,
two
different
kinds.
People
who
normally
work
there
and
there's people
that
are,
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
building
that
are
staying
there,
from
out
of
the
country.
I
just
get
an
impression
of
travelers.
Predominantly
the
people
in
the
building
who
work
there
are.. dark
skin,
black
hair.
People
from
out
of
the
country
have
a...
little
lighter
skin
in
some
regard
but
their
features
are
heavy.
Ah
two
languages
being
spoken.
One
is
ah
ah... one
is
English,
the
other
is
ah. ..some
dialect
of
Spanish,
I
get
an
impression
of
Spanish
or
it's
a
very
guttural
language
in
any
event.
Ah.... people
from
out
of
the
country
are
staying
there.
They're
to. ..ah...
what
do
you
call
it
.
.
. ah
.
.
. they
' re
like
information
stripers,
they
take
information,
ah... focus
on
inf ormation
.
.
.
. ah
I
keep
getting
disjointed
impression
of
these
people.
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#66:
Break
out disjointed.
#01:
Get
a
lot
of
subterfuge
here.
It's
like
a
holding
and
transfer
company
and
it's. ..when
it’s
holding
or
transferring
something,
it's
being
photographed
and
sketched
in
detailed
Just
keep
pictures
of
schematics
and
manuals
and
electronic
circuit
boards
.
#66:
All
right.
Now,
I
have
some
questions.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
Two
languages
in
the
building,
one English
like
and
one guttural
like--
#01:
Correct.
#66:
two
different
groups
of
people ,... connect
the
the
languages
with
the
people.
#01:
Okay,
just
a
minute
The
ah ... guttural
language
is
common
to
the
people
there,
that
live
there
and
the
English
is
common
to
the
people
that
don't,
that
are
from
out
of
the
country
I
still
get
something
fakey
about
the
people
from
out
of
the
country
that
speak
English,
there's
very
heavy
overlays
of
subterfuge
there.
It's
like
the
people
who
own
this
building
don't
know
who
really
these
people
are
that
speak
English.
They
believe
they
are
someone
else.
There's
some
other
kind
of
function
and what
they're
really
doing.
#66:
All
right.
Now,
let's
talk
about
numbers
and
ratios
between
the
visitors
from
out
of
town
and
the
residents.
#01:
Okay.
Resident
people
to
resident
people.
Visitors
from
out
of
town
are
never
more
than
5.
Seem
to
come
in
groups
of
or
5.
Kind
of
interesting
word
pops
into
mind,
it's
called
"staging"
.
#66:
Okay.
Now
I
want
to
question
about
a
choice
words
here.
You
say
come
in groups
of
or
5?
of
#01:
That's
correct.
#66:
I
infer from your
choice
of
words
that
they
are
always
there
in
that
building.
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That's
correct.
Okay,
break
out
time
windows,
the
usual
times
they're
there
in
the
building.
Okay
It's
a
normal
ah. ..normal
operation,
it's
like
a. ..they
get
there
on
a...
Thursday
evening
and
leave
on
the
following
Monday,
Wednesday
evening
or
Thursday
evening,
depart
on
the
following
Monday.
Apparently
there's
weeks
that
occur
when
there's
no
one
there
at
all,
from
out,
you
know,
out
of
country.
...There's
some
important
reason
why
they
have
to
be
there
on
the
weekend,
but
I
can't
fix
it.
Okay
now,
it's
the
visitors
that
spend
this
3,
days
of
the weekend?
That's
correct.
All
right.
And
you
call
that
their
normal
operation
or
their
normal
time
for
being
there?
Yes,
that's
correct.
All
right
It's
almost
like
there's
some
form
of
a... training taking place
as
well.
If
I
understand
you
correctly,
concerning
these
visitor
people,
the
words
"subterfuge",
the
words
"staging",
the
words
"training"
come
to
mind.
That's
correct.
They're
all
interlocked,
they're
tied
....in
some
way.
Ahhh..I
don't
think
the
people
who
own
the
building
are
totally
aware
of
the
nature
of
these
people.
(mumble)
it's
like
it's
not
part
of
the
job
to
know.
All
right.
Now,
getting
back
to
physical
descriptions
of
the
building,
I'll
later
want
you
to
draw
a doll
house
of
the
thing.
So
describe
for
me
now
where
in
the
building these
visitors
come
to.
It's
like
rear. ..rear
corner
of
the
warehouse
area
or
storage
area,
whatever
you
call
it,
and
the
third
floor
of
the
building.
I
don't.
Get
a
feel
of
the
third
floor
is
just
a
lot
of
rooms,
like
bedrooms,
or
sleeping
rooms.
That's
all
I
get,
it's
a. .like
sleeping
area
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some
kind
of
cleared
area
and
a
store
room
or
something,
things
pinned
to
the
wallboard
and
boxes
and
stuff,
collapsible
tables,
some
kind
of
equipment
Okay
Interesting,
picked
up
on
one
strange
fact
here
too.
Somebody
in
the
group
is
carrying
a
badge
like
a
police
badge
or
something.
It’s
really
strange.
See
like
a
hard
piece
of
leather
with
a
badge
pinned
to
it.
Somebody
in
the
group
is
carrying
that.
Someone
in
the
group?
Someone
in
the
group,
but
I
can
' t
.
.
. can
' t
fix
why.
All
right.
Now
I’m
going
to
ask
you
to,
later
I
will
ask
you
to
draw
the
routes
and
entryways,
hallways
and
doorways
of
this
whole
building
and
particularly
this
meeting
area.
For
now,
however,
I
would
like
you
to
describe
as
these
groups
of
visitors
arrive
at
the
area,
for
one
of
their, usual
meetings,
describe
their
appearance,
their
deportment,
how
they
look.
Sport
coats,
without
ties,
open
neck
shirts,
light
blues,
light
clothing,
light,
everything
light.
It’s
either
like
white
or
off
color
white
or
tans
and
powder
colors,
pastel
colors.
Ah
Just
get
a
very
a .... business
like
feel.
They
look
like
everyday
businessmen?
That's
correct.
...Younger,
younger
than
general,
but
they
appear
to
be
very
business
like,
normal
business
man
type
person.
All
right
And
I'm
am
looking
for
a
singular
significant
individual.
Look
at
these
visitors
and
see
what
comes
to
mind.
Okay,
just
a
minute
I
don't
get
any
major
differences
in
any
of
these
people.
I
don't
see
any
significant
visitor.
...See
a
guy
with
a... black
hair
evidently
more
senior
and
he
comes
with
some
of
these
groups.
Combs
his
hair
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He’s
about
my
size.
There's
a
strange
look
in
his
eyes.
Other
than
that
he's
(mumble)
authority
areas.
He's
no
different
from
the
rest
of
the
people.
#66:
Okay,
let's explore
him
for
a
minute.
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The
only
feeling
I
get
is
that
a.. he
has
a
lot
authority,
and
he's
kind
of
like ... engineering
some
things
here
that
others
don't
know
why
he's
doing
it.
He's
got
rotten
personality
as
well.
That's
all
I
get
on
this
guy.
#66:
Okay.
I
think
if
you'll
take
minute
and
concentrate
and move
close
to
him,
that
you'll
find
some
very interesting
things.
#01:
He's
got
kind
of.....
mystical
mind. ..sort
of
a
mystical
mind, ...a
little
bit
around
the
bend,
crazy
wise.
His
realities
are
not
very
clear
That's
all
I
get,
I
don't
get
anything
else
Getting
stuff,
but
I
can't
translate
it
So
I
just.
get
ah .. impressions
of
organizing
and
signing
and
directing
.
#66:
All
right.
Ask
him
what
is
the
nature
of
this
organizing
and directing?
#01:
Going
to
generate
an
instability
or
.......it's
just
a
support
of
a
larger plan
or
larger
operation.
#66:
What
was
it
you
said
just
before
generating
support
to
a
larger plan?
#01:
Ah.... He
organizes,
he
designs
and whatnot.
#66:
And
the nature
of
what
he organizes?
#01:
Just
to
upset
stability.
#66:
He organizes
something which upsets
stability.
#01:
Misdirects.
#66:
Misdirects.
#01:
Keep
It's
like,
it's
across
the
board,
it's
got
to
do
with
newspapers
and
radio
and
television
and,
no
that's
incorrect,
it's
got
to
do
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with
effecting
those
things ,... inf ormation
media.
Ah...
having
effect
on
the information
media.
May
I
be
correct
in
saying
that
because
of
the
nature
of
your
contact
with
him,
that
this
is
the
way
he
feels
about
his
job.
That
he
feels
that
this
is
what
he
does
is
effect
the media?
That's
the
ultimate
aim.
Oh,
that's
the
ultimate
aim
is
to
effect
the
media,
all
right.
Cause
a
disruption
by
effecting
the
media.
There's
a
lot
of
ways
it's
done
There’s
still
something
I
don't
like
about
this
that's
not
right.
Something,
there's
an
appearance
here
that's
wrong,
there's
ah
it's
like
a
mission
within
a
mission,
and
I
can't,
trying
to
put
my
finger
on
it,
but
I
can't, ..it's
like
what
he's
lending
support
to,
these
teams
etc,
etc,.. the
teams
may
believe
in
what
they're
doing,
but
it's
not
really
what
they're
doing.
I
don't
know,
they're,
they're
implying
things
that
aren't
real.
Ah
It's
like
the
people
that
are
hosting
them
aren't
getting
what
they
believe
they're
getting.
They're
getting
a
double
wrapped
package.
The people hosting
the
visitors
being
the
people
in
the
building
or
in
the
general area?
In
the building
You
had
said
before
that
the
people
in
the
building
didn't
know what
the
visitors
were
up
to?
They
know
but
they
don't
know.
It's
like
they
Are
you
saying
there's
a
secondary
or
hidden
agenda
that
they
are
not
aware
of?
That's
correct,
exactly.
And
even
the. ..a. .the
guys
that
are
there,
some
of
them
don't
even
understand
what
that
hidden
agenda
is,
it's
like
they
don't
know
yet.
Okay.
I
want
to
try
one
more
approach
with
this
individual who
plans
or
leads
these
meetings.
Move
away
from
focusing
on
him
internally
now
and
stand
about
a
foot
in
front
of
him
and
look
directly
at
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face.
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
describe
his
face,
I
want
you
to
say,
"Tell
me
about
the
knowledge
packet
that
you
know",
when
you
look
at
his
face.
Tell
me
what's written
on
his
face.
Ah
get
a
mix
of
(mumble)
packages
What
was
that?
Get
a
mix
of
knowledge
packages.
He's
a... very
politically
minded ,... very
politically
tuned.
I
get
a
sense
of
like,
I
don't
know. ..how
to
explain
that
he's,
he's
like
a. ...one
of
the
people
in charge
of
something
and
just,.. he's
getting
more
and
more
authority
and
politicizing
it,
he's
using
it
and
he's
growing
in
strength,
so
to
speak.
But
it's
not,
it's
not
like
a
formalized
organization,
it's
more
subtle
than
that
Specific
knowledge,
I
just
get
ah... million
things,
you
know
he's
just. ...very
intelligent,
he's
ah. .very
vested
in
so
many
areas
Other
best
areas
vested
in
those
and
understanding
of
world
politics.
That's
ah
that
and
organizing
things.
That's
all
I'm getting.
Okay.
I
want
to
remind
you
to
remember
the
building,
and
the
room
they
meet
in
and
layout
because
I
need
drawings.
But
before
we
do
that,
I
want
to
march
off
in
another
direction.
This
individual
about
whom
you've
been
talking,
I
want
you
to
move
with
him
forward
in
time
in
monthly
increments
for
as
far
as
you
want
to
see
if
there's
anything
of
significance.
The
only
thing
of
significance
that
I
see
is
tremendous
increase
in
wealth.
I
don't
see
any
see
the
problem
is
that,
I
think
the
things
of
significance
are.
occurring
that
are
important
to
him,
are
occurring
away
from
him,
not
where
he's
at.
....Get
an
impression
that
there's
things
occurring
that
...are
very
significant
relating
to
him,
that
they're
not
where
he's
at.
He's
ah. ..just
ah..
Okay
Going
like
traveling
in
one
or
two
places
in
the
next
days.
I
don't
see. anything
significant,
I
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just
see
a.. normal
kind
of
travel
here
and
meet
there
and
I
guess
I
just
don't
see
anything
significant
Okay,
fine.
Now
I
have
no
further
questions,
but
I
would
like
to
allow
you
a
couple
of
moments
to
explore
on
your
own
beyond
the
confines
of
my
questions,
to
get
deep
into
the
situation,
beyond
the
confines
of
my
questions.
Do
this
now.
Get
an
impression
he's
reporting
to
more
than
one
master,
so
to
speak.
He's
working
for
two
people.
Both
are
a
pain,
it's
kind
of
interesting.
They're
both
getting
relatively
the
same
information,
but
they
don't,
neither
knows
about
the
other.
That's
all
I
get.
Okay.
Remembering
the
building
complex
and
areas,
because
I
need
you
to
sketch
them.
Let's
do
that
now
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