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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
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SUBJECT:
Update Briefing for Under Secretary of
the Army,
22 Dec 80
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PURPOSE:
This office had been tasked by OACSI
to provide
the
Under Secretary
of Army,
Dr.
Spiro,
with an update briefing concerning our
portion
of the DoD GRILL FLAME
(GF)
Program.
2.
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Following individuals were
in attendance
at the briefing
(1030-1130 hrs,
22 Dec 80):
Dr.
Spiro,
Under Secretary
of Army
Dr.
LaBerge,
Under Secretary
of Defense R&E
MG Thompson,
ACSI
COL Scanlon,
DCS0PS,
INSC0M
LTC Watt,
INSCOM GF Project Manager
MAJ Hay,
OACSI
MAJ Lytle,
Office of Under Secretary
of Army
3.
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Inclosure
1 provides outline
of primary points covered during my
presentation
(S/N0F0RN)
Despite the numerous evaluation summaries shown
to Dr.
Spiro,
he indicated
that he was not satisfied that we had demonstrated any
successes
to him
MG Thompson and
I
tried to show him how individual evaluations had
apparently heiped outside agencies
in developing their intelligence plans/
estimates
,
and that the consumers were
the ones who were saying that our
Droducts had been useful
to them.
Dr. Spiro would not change his thinking on
^
the subject.
I
am convinced that the subject matter
(parapsychology)
bothers
Dr Sniro and that from his perspective,
along with the scientific
gap
in
H
area^tha^unless someone can
"prove-'
how remote viewing works then
he will never
accept the data being presented'
to him.
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Dr.
LaBerge wanted
to know if we were doing any
follow-up evaluations
on
the people
in our program.
He was concerned about their welfare and the
possibilities
of the program impacting on them m
a negative way.
I expla
n
that we were all very concerned about the health and welfare of our peop
,
anv organization should
be.
I
explained that the Command Psychologist was
actively working with us and that he was an important member of our program.
? outlined
the personality profile surveys that we all had taken and that the
Command Psychologist would be maintaining close
c°^a^d
W^
h
bfahS^evaluate
the program in order
to help them whenever necessary and to be able
to evaiua
their mental welfare
as best as possible.
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6.
(S/N0F0RN)
Dr.
Spiro asked Dr.
LaBerge
to comment
on what had been
presented and what did he suggest they
do.
Dr.
LaBerge stated "The question
is
"Do we stop
or continue?"....
I
support quiet,
rational continuation
of
the program,
but don't allow ourselves to get caught
in the position of
selling the program."
7.
(S/N0F0RN)
Dr.
Spiro responded that he didn't see any harm in
continuing trying.
If there
is
a 1/1000 chance that we can support the
government with this program,
then we can't be faulted for spending government
money and we should
go ahead and do
it.
8.
(S/N0F0RN)
After the briefing,
FIG Thompson instructed MAJ Hay
and myself
to get together and come up with
a recommendation for him concerning
Ingo Swann's new training concept and whether or not the Army should help
finance the development
of his program.
No suspense was given.
9.
(S/N0F0RN)
MG Thompson instructed me
to continue with
our
such time as we hear from his office.
COL Scanlon was present
made that remark.
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INSC0M GRILL FLAME
Project manager
program until
when the ACSI
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HAD RESPONDED TO EARLIER TASKING,
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