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And what's hanging stuff from the ceiling.
. .the
lights hanging
three and
four poster
lights hanging
a long ways
from
the ceiling.. it seems.
Hoses
and
metal work
..
rods and
tubes.. hoses hanging
from
the ceiling
as
in
as
in. .as
in. .uh. .OK. .of . .1
just
had
a feeling of pushcarts and sheet metal, work
benches,
high noise.
#28
Describe
the size of
this bay area
#10.5
The bay
is maybe. .uh. .150. .uh. .125
feet
150
feet by
maybe. .uh. .70
feet wide.
I
think where
I am looking
at
is
the
interior
of
the
southwest corner.
Because
I've done
a
180
from where
I
started.
#28
OK.
#10.5
Uh . .It appears
that there are large sheets of sheet
metal out . .uh. .large sheets of sheet metal.
No.,
not large sheets of sheet metal.. maybe
there.. it's not
one big
thing.. now up at the roof looking and
I have
the feeling
that this bay
is
..there are long.. tables
that go
the length wise
in this bay and that there
are about three or
four
lines of these tables and
there are men working at positions on these tables
which appear
to be no more than just wooden waist-
high,
five
foot deep flat areas
to work
on but each
line
is connected so
it
is one
large
line of tables
'
end
to end.
#28
What
is down at these tables?
#10.5
Uh.,.I
see hands with
air
guns
and drills.. I
see
hands with sheet metal
rivets,
I
see hands with
funny black
rubber hose with metal fittings on
the
ends—angular metal
fittings.
And,
it's not
mechanics.
There's no grease.. no oil.
It's
assembly . .putting together
things.
#28
OK.
Follow
the object assembled when
it reaches
the
end of
the
line.
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I
have
a.. it's
a
funny looking object.
I don't feel
it
T s excessively
large.
It's teardrop shape.
Seems
to be tear-drop shape with
a plain through
it.
A
plain through
it... and
it appears one end
is open.
The up end
is
the
thing.
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The
forward end of
the
thing.
Like
a nozzle.
#28
And what happens
to
it now?
PAUSE
#10.5
Uh..I
see
it being guided through
the water.
#28
Where
is
this water?
#10.5
I don't
know, .. .seeing
it being drive through
the
water
in
the ocean.
#28
OK.
Come back
to
the building now.. come back
to
the object what they are working
on.
Come
back
inside.
I want
to move
to another area
inside
the building
so
I want you
to concentrate
on how this piece of object gets transported
to
another area
in
the building
and follow
it along,
that area.
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Uh..I
see
a guy wheeling. .uh. .it's
not
an elevator
it's
like
a dumb waiter— it's not
for people.
It's
in
the west corner of
the
room.
. .northwest corner of
the
room.
He places
it on
a dumb waiter
rack.. all
I
can see.. all
I can do
is. .uh.
. (PAUSE)
is
uh...
I don't know
if
it
is
the
final finished product or
just what these guys
are doing
.
Their
finished
product .. their part of
it.
It seems
to me
that that's
how they move
it.. it seems
to me
they move
it
up
a
dumb waiter
type
thing.
It seems
to me
it
is going
up.
#28
How do these men get
into this room?
#10.5
The men.
#28
How did
they get
into
the
room.. into this bay?
#10.5
They've been coming
into
it
the way
I
did.
#28
Are there any other entrances or
exits
to this bay
area
than
the stairway that you came down?
#10.5
Uh..dumb waiter .. uh . .uh . .maybe
a door
in the..uh..
southeast corner
of
the
room.
I can't
I
feel
the
double doors
but no windows or anything .. just an
industrial double door.
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Go through
the door
and describe
the other
side.
Uh..I
think I'm just out
in the hallway again,
a long skinny place.. but
I wanted
to say that
it
was. .uh. .sort of
a.. a dispatch point or
a reception
point because
I
felt there was
a.. when
I went through
the doors
there was
a.. a feeling someone did business
you know.. log
type business. .checking off things one
in
and one out.
When
I
first got
in that long hall.. long
room feeling
I wanted
to say
it.. there was
a overhead
what do you call
it.. like
a overhead
rack.. a moving
rack that stretched off down this hall with.. like
with pullies on
it, .carry heavy things.
OK.
You follow
it down and tell me where
it goes.
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Goes
a long way.
I can't tell
if
there are any
other stops along
it.. but
I have
a feeling
I am
just
at
the north end of
the building
in
a large
storage bay.. or with
a large open break along
the
side
of
the hall or whatever
this
is.. so that..
and a ramp leading up
to
it so that
..
parts (mumbling)
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How large was this area that you were
in before?
How large
is
it
in proportion to the whole building?
I didn't feel that
it was
large at all compared
to
the building.
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Uh .
. I thought that
I was just looking at one corner.
..one
interior corner.
Right down the end of
the
pulley.. I
feel like
I am on the north side of
the
building and this
is another
large bay area but
it's
just
(mumble)
raw materials come and
I got
a big
loading door.
OK.
Why not try to focus your attention
in one
specific area now.
Imagine
in your mind
a
"X"
placed from corner
to corner
of
the building
so that
the
intersection of
the
"X"
is
in
the center
of
the
entire building.
Should position yourself
in
the exact
center of
this building and describe
the surrounding
area.
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A basement maybe.
What
is
it that makes you say that?
I
imagine
that
the
"X" was
3 dimensional and where
it crossed was of course
a long point from roof
to
bottom and
I sort of
like zoomed down and
I got this
big feeling of..uh..a big curve
thing
like
a boiler.,
feeling.
It
is round and
it was curved and
it was
very large and
it was dark.
I had
the feeling
it was
black.
Move up
to the ceilings and
look down at the area.
Call your
"X"
across
the ceiling
so you can look down
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of
the building... ?
J
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Yes.
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Mumbling,
get my
...show back
OK under
I..uh..
first thing
I
see
is
a like
a
(mumbling)....
.... couple desks /
that's
it.
OK.
Are you
in the exact center of
the building?
Yeah.
I
..check again
(mumbling)
try again
Big. .uh. .ah. .now
I don't know.. I donjt.
Now
I get
the feeling
I
am
in
a big huge
openfee7 eventhough
I
just poped through the
roof.
Describe
it
to me?
Felt like
I was.. looking down from the roof of
this
big hanger
or something.
Go ahead and describe
to me what you see when you
walked
in.
It's
a long black thing.. got an awful one.. must be..
uh..must be
a. .hanger must be 50-60
feet deep.
I don't
understand this thing
at all.
When
I... through
my impression was
a big triangle with v&ins sticking
out of
it and I..uh..that was
the first thing
I saw and
after
that
I realized where
I was.
but that was
the very
same
I
saw.
It was
a big black shape
in sort of kati-
corner
of this place.. like
it doesn't fit all
the way
across
it so
it just layed there at an angle across
it.
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I don't know.
(sigh)
#28
Are you ready
to draw now?
#10.5
Yeah.
(sigh)
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#10.5
I don't remember
half of
it.
(laugh)
Long since
forgotten
it.
Do you want
to do the whole thing?
PAUSE
#10.5
This
is what
I was trying
to describe.
#28
What's this your sketching?
#10.5
This
is
the first thing
I was
trying
that's
actually bigger.
The first thing.. when
I was outside
the building. .OK. . (pause)
this
is that thing
I was
trying
to talk about.
It’s actually not
in proportion
though.
I
think
it's
a little bit
..it's
like
that.
OK.
That's what
I was trying
to......
(sigh)
OK..
Out here.
. (pause) .. (mumbling)
. .Well,
I don't know what
you want.
Let's see.. go through the whole darn thing.
This would
be presumably. .yes. .that's north and that's
southeast.
This
is east end.
OK..
This
is what
I
got here. .OK. .that and that but now here.
. (pause)
.
that’s where
the metal stuff
is.. now over here
so.,
way farther down.
. (pause)
. .OK. .that' s where.. when you
told me
to back off. .that's what
I
got. .I've sorted
added some
things.
I mean the doors. .those. .those
where they ended up
to be.. but actually that . .without
the doors that's what
I was seeing.
What
I
think
I did
here was
I
started here and then went around to here.
OK.. and then
I went around
to here.. all the way
in..
OK.. These things over here on
the left
I think are smoke
stacks or something.
They look like smoke stacks.
Uh..What
I
saw.. I have no idea where to start.
Some of
those things can be used
for verifiable stuff.
This
is
where.. west end.
Somewhere
in
the foreground here
is
that open metal area
I was talking about.
The metal
grating .. something round that.. open like metal frame
work with something roundish
in
it.
But that door.,
which
is not really a door, which
I was telling you
about
is like over here.
I saw
it
in
the background
OK.. It's just like that.
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in.
The
reason
is because
then
there was
this
overhead rack.
So
I might have been. .like.
. in the hall
I might have. .actually when
I went down
the stairs
I
might have gone down
the basement.
And
I was
in
the
same hall but
I might have been
in under where
I came
in.
In other words
I might have gone down like
this.
#28
But you didn't recognize
it being
the same hall.
#10.5
....like
a cork screw.
No.
It was definitely not
the
same hall.
It had
a whole bunch.. it had
a
circular
track hanging with periodically spaced stuff
like big hooks you could hang something on
it and
come around-r ight .
OK.
This
is door
on south side.
OK.
Let me do
the
bay.
#28
Now this
is
the little
bay.
#10.5
The little bay,
yes.
How am
I going
to do this
in
perspective.
I'm not going
to either bother doing
this
in perspective.
(erasing)
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It's much taller
than that.
Much more high ceilened.
(erasing)
OK.
Now.. how do
I describe
this
thing.
Long work benches . .OK. .along
this wall was
a whole bunch
of stacks
like bones and stuff.
From the ceiling or
uh..this way.. OK.. let me do
this
first.
(pause)...
There were about four
of
them.
OK.
Over here where
the double door was.
Then
I went back through.
What can
I
say.. I
had
the
feeling people are.. whether
they are there now or whether
they were
there whether
I
tuned
in on them,
but like
then stand at these places
and work and do various
..you
know. .chores. .and through-
out
it all
I
felt.. like
I
said.. it's not grease work
it's sheet metal work.. stuff with clean parts.,
assembling . .assembling pressure hoses
and vacuum hoses
and
that type of stuff.
OK.
4-5 OK.
Now
in
the
..the dumb waiter
is here.. what
I am calling
a dumb
waiter
anyway.
OK.
I'll call that
6.
Over
here,
the
stairs
that
I came down OK.
I had
the
feeling of.. what
do you want
to call
it.. carts
that would be . .carts . .OK
would be wheeled over here.
What do you call
it
in
Germany —pedernoster
like
its
in
the
I.G.
FARBEN
building.
It's
just
a thing with an open front.. it
just goes around and round. .you put something on
it.,
it takes
it
up.
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Like
a conveyor?
#10*5
Yes,
Like
a. .yes,
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I
had feelings of other here are
the tables..
That's
a bad drawing.. I had
a feeling of that kind
of cart being used.,
to hold
the sheets of sheet
metal big
sheets.. like you
find at
a lumber yard.,
with
a big back on one and
a.. little bump on
the other
one
.
#28
On
the next page draw me
a picture
of what
this
thing looked
like
that they put together.
#10.5
Yes.
It was more rounded
than that though.. this
is rounded.
Dark
inside.
I
said
it had
a vertical
plain on
it.
Looks
like that.
#28
How large
is
it?
#10.5
I didn't get
a
feeling
for
size.
I got
a feeling
for
a manageable
size.
It's hand size.. I mean
it's
or
feet.. OK..
And
I had
the
feeling this thing was
towed
in the water.
When you asked me what was done
with
it
(pause)
alright.. now where
to
#28
OK.
Tell me.. uh.. kind of
like
a square
or
rectangle
of
the whole building and show me
as much floor plan
as you have of
the building. .where
this other bay was
located
in
the whole building.
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#10.5
There's where
the bay
is.
#28
Alright.
Now
if you were
to draw an
"X"
and put yourself
in
the center of
the building,
where would you
show..
OK.. now that point
then.. what did you see there?
#10.5
At that point.. where are we.. that
is
this
is
8.
I
had
the
feeling
so
this
is
9.. this
is rounded...
black
.
#28
OK.
This
is what you
saw?
...the very first thing
that you
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The very first thing.
I had
the feeling
I was
in
a big open area and this thing was like looking...
I was just looking
at the top of this
thing but.,
then when
I
looked down..
You looked down
this
th ing^ and you saw this...
Right.
Massive
OK.
What would you say that
it was?
I don't
...you
know.. I can't tell from looking at your
picture what you....
Well.. the tail of
an airplane.
°K.
Like
the
ta il of
an airplane.
Like
the
tail of an airplane,
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one plain^or' something
like that on
it.
Explain
to me what happened
in your
head,
at this point.
I
felt like.. I saw this
thing and
I
said
..like.,
where am I.. because you had to send me back because,
then
I had ended up
in some office somewhere.
I
said
well what
is this.
OK.
But the first thing you ended up
is you said. you
were down someplace and ther^
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Oh
that.
I'm sorry.
I meant the
top.
That's
fine.
I just want to go back verbally. .now
I
skipped that.
That's
fine.. let's just go back verbally now.
You went...
you went and you saw a big black cylinder
thing that
you thought might be
a boiler
tank or
something...
.
. -hp-ina assembled .
OK
....then.. I
said OK let's go to the top and you.
went
to the
top and you looked down and you saw this
black object.
Now this black object.. did you see
it.,
did you know whether you were looking at
it from the
side
or
from the top or where
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I knew
I was looking at
it from the side.
OK.
You were looking at
it from
Yes.
Because
I could
see
the rest of
the building
and
the rest of
the corners
in perspective. .behind
it.. I could see
the building behind
it.
This
is
what
I saw down
in the basement.
It was real dark
and shadowy. .at least
it felt that way.. and this
is
really quite.. I had the feeling
I was really
in
quite
a
far place.
So actually this would disappear
way off up here.
It was kinda dark...
Right.
But
I had
the feeling
I was looking
at
side half
an arch. .a gentle arch. .but big.
I'd
say
feet.. no.. I would say
feet.
Double
layer boiler plate and
it was curved.. and
I had
the feeling
it was
in a section.. a piece of
it.,
it wasn't
a whole
thing
it was
a piece of
it..was
there.. and
it was
two layers .. that
' s
the important
thing... it was an outer
layer and an inner
layer.
And, what made you say basement?
That. .the reason
I
said basement
is because when
I
was back here doing this little exercise
I
imagined
that the square
..you know.. I
said..
I
realize you have
a verticle plane
to move
in..move
in the center.
Right. .right.
So what
I was doing.. I was zooming
down to the bottom of that verticle plane. .of
that verticle spike.. and that's when
I came up with
this.. we' 11 call this
instead.
I'll change this
one to
10.
Then you asked me..where
I was.. and
I
told you that
I had imagined
it was.. that the cross
was
three.. .was actually
3 dimensional. .right. .and
I was down there.
So then
I came back outside. .1
was going
to start over
again.
That's when
I en...
I
think we'll have to check
the
tape.. that's when
I
think
I ended up
in the office.
I
thought
I was
like up
in an office just
in under
the
roof.
That
didn't seem right.
So
I went back out again and
then
I came down to this thing
..which was
like..
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..just inside
the
roof
Which we'll call
10.
Which we'll call
10.
And you were
looking at
it from the
side.
. .from the
side.
.
OK.
And then what happened?
Just beneath.
OK.
We got
9 and
10 out of
the
way.
Alright
(mumbling)
basement area just
inside
the
roof.
OK.
Then
I had this
feeling
of
a really massive bay.
OK.
Just hugh..like
here's
a guy that type of thing.
And sitting
lengthwise across
this bay was this dark cylinder
and
I
think that that was part of
that..
You think
the drawing..
I
think that the drawing number
10 was part of
the
drawing number
11.
Is the drawing
in number
9 part of
11?
Yes.
I
think. .hey . .1 think
it has something
to do
with
11.
It may not be a part of
this,
but
it
is
a part that
is put into things like
that.
Alright.
But, when you saw a number
9 you had no
concept of number
11.
No.
This
is also dark here.
So.. when you saw
a number
9,
but looked like
a
piece of
a boiler plate
to you, you had no concept
of
it being part of
a greater hole like.. you
know,
number
11.
NO.
I
asked what
the heck
is
this and that's when
I
found that
it was
a section and that
it wasn
t a
total thing.
Alright.
So
it
is
a section.
It's
a section.
I'll write section
in
there.
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OK.
I have no further questions.
Is there anything
you want to add?
I'm trying
to think.
Where else did
I go?
OK.
Twelve will be.. just real quick here.
Twelve
will be
in the south east of
the small bay
I'll draw the doors open.
This
is when you went through
the double doors
that you
saw.
Right.
This thing hangs although
it
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REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION
C
#28
This will be
a remote viewing session
(edited
for
security)
.
SG1A
PAUSE
It's
time now
to focus your attention on
the building
that we
talked about this morning.
Located near:
#10.5
ia 25
Focus your attention on
the area
that you described
as
the basement
in which you saw an object which you
described
as
a boiler plate.
Focus your attention,
initially,
on
that area and describe
it to me.
PAUSE
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. (pause)
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,
,uh.
feeling
that...a.
Now .
.
.
I have
a
.
Uuimb
to little
finger.
Make^itabout
inches
that’
space.
« i-plepte
itself
is .
.
—-a-uldx blo^
3/4
inch
thick
....one thumb width.
A section
Now
I am looking
at
(pause)
uh
uh
feet wide
y
-
-
- (mumbling)
.
. .-to* a.Tplates. .4
2 and^% hands fromW
to.... from tip of
i ki
#28
What
is
this section doing here?
PAUSE
#10.5
Seems
to be leaning on one of
its kind
..liked they
are stacked.
. .waiting
PAUSE
#28
Describe
the area that you're
in.
#10.5
...like
a store
room.
More
a place where things are
kept . .waiting ... it
' s near .. .a. .compared
to other places
it's
like
a. .. (mumbling. ..).. .5
feet wide
and.. a
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#10.5
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fe e t/^. .it’s
a little displaced .. .down stairs
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feet high. ..big
for
these things
to
(sV#** "
fit
in.
They... a..
#28
How did they come
to be
in here?
#10 '\
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thinking they're rolled
in on heavy cars.. flat beds
/if-
ey seem to
be'y.
( not
the length of
this room
I'tTti.
y
aS though they
'
though they came
in on that line... like on
a railroad
tracks or
something.
#28
How do we get them out of here?
#10.5
I would say... let me go to the other
end of
the
room.
#10.5
#10.5
#28
PAUSE
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. . (mujnLliiig.) ...i have
a feeling I'm
in northeast
corner of this place.
Inside that
..now inside that
big door.
I'm looking
at
it from the
inside.. in
the
northeast corner and that
is how this comes
in and
out.
it's on heavy equipment as
it comes
in on some
sort of delivery track
...like
it's off loaded.. you
know,
or . .brought xn through that high door
at
the northeast
corner.
But
the room seems bare other
than
that.
I don't see
a bunch of machinery or anything.
I
just
see
a bunch... not
a bunch.. I
see
a
few of these big
curve
things.
Let me
focus
a little bit.
PAUSE
I can figure out how they get
it
in from the outside.
u
,
I can't see what they do with
the ones
that are on
the
inside,
where
they
take
them or anything
PAUSE
Describe
the ceiling of this
room.
PAUSE
#10.5
There
isn't any ceiling.
Look
further
up and describe what you
see.
#28
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I
see
a high ceiling.
#28
Describe
this
to me.
#10.5
Girters and -fee-;.. it looks
like teardrops hanging down.
#28
Good.
Now float way,
way up that high ceiling .. right
up against
it and then
look back down so you can see
very clearly that room where you came
from.
And now tell me what you
see.
#10.5
it's
a loading bay with
a half wall.. like
a partition.
On
the other
side of
that wall
....
#28
Go on .
.
#10.5
...is where
that other
bay
is... or
even
a bigger
bay...
....I don't know. .it's what
it
is. .. .1. .. a. .drifted over
the wall.
I don't
look over
the wall.. cause
the wall
doesn't go all
the way up.
#28
That's
fine.
Look
up at
the ceiling,
look
up at
the
ceiling now.
#10.5
Heavy equipment.
Yes.
#28
What's
it do?
#10.5
* *Uh. . .tracks and. .a.
. tracks and crossbars and...
pullies
and.. a., it's
for
lifting and moving.
#28
Alright.
Now look down.
Right underneath
the things
that lift and move.
Describe what's down
there.
PAUSE
#10.5
I am still right where
I was.. sort of half straggling
over
this wall.. is about where
this
thing
is.. located
now.
. .uh. .with my back
to the outside wall on
the right
is
a long narrow open roof bay with these things
in
it.
Sort of
in
a
line.
On my left appears
to be
a much
bigger
bay.
That bay seems
to. .now. .be. .room with
a
platform. .elevator platform
in places.,
like
a elevator
platform.
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#10.5
#28
#10.5
#28
#10.5
#10.5
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.
. structures and several
layers of
them.
But
it's
impossible. .some sort of
a
..I have
this... it just doesn't
fit
#28
Tell me about
it.
#10.5
I want
to say that
these platforms
that built upy
nestled
in amongst these platforms
is
a.
. .sort.
. .this
hvll ffa
who -lo- nf
a
rope and that there
is work being done
.£>n the outs ide like on the
teettSfcTthat are'ou t s ide
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,~^tHe outside^nmte .
.
. like
the... what are
they ca lled...
UoftfS
the tanks
...the ballast tanks.. those extra bolfc^i-a on
?
the
side. .andj some place
I can see through
....some
places
I don't.. but
it's pretty much all there.. it's
just
that some places
it ain't.
#28
How did
this come
to be
in
the building?
#10.5
I
have no
idea.
That's what I'm talking about.
What's
in
the center of
the ring?
It's not
a
ring
it's
..it's odd shaped.. the platform
like section of
the platform.
. .different areas of
the room of
the bay.
It makes
like
a work jai-^ p/t?7
And what do they work on?
PAUSE
I don't
know.
It's
impossible.
I don't want
to
tie too much together.
Is
there anything there right now
for
them to work on?
. ,Uh..let me get my focus . .something bounced me out of
it.
/PAUSE
Alright.
the wall.. on the rinhf .nf — t
focy
r
on
the I^ft
is
the big
bay.
.
. .1. .a. .1 don't know
if
there's anything ^n
or
not.
I
sure would like
tc
t/o//
put
a submarine
irf^ there^ or something -wtefe^shaped.
But
at
the same time
I
can
see/jumder
these platforms as
though
there
isn't anything there -beecwee
...to the right... to
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PAUSE
#10.5
(mumbling) <TT have no
idea,
That’s what
I'm talking
about.
PAUSE
#28
Why does
it sit kitty-corner?
In frdii ip {ft
#10,5
(mumbling)
the
bay,
I
guess.
Seems
like
I
go
to one
corner
of
the rectangle
to the opposite corner
of
the
rectangle.
I have
the
feeling
that.... I
really don't
know how
it
is
in
there.. or
if
it’s not
there.. what
it
is
that's supposed
to go
in
there.
PAUSE
#28
Describe your position of observation.
#10.5
I'm still floating up aboi^^&hare you
left me.
#28
OK.
Move over
on
top of tKe^TTing shape or
the
scaffolding
or
the work platform.
Move
so you can
see better
the entire work area.
PAUSE
#10.5
Clear
shot.
I don't know how they get
the thing out.
I
don't have any^Ldea.
That thing
is
a good^size.
A
#28
How far
#10.5
Seems
like
it
takes
the whole bay up...
#28
How
far
to the ceiling
from where you're standing.
#10.5
Uh.. .1
just dropped down from
the ceiling about
feet.
or more. .no not
feet. ..and I..uh..I
like was. .it was
like
I was behind
that big
triangle thing from before.,
with
the veins out of
it
...and
. .uh. il
looking at
it.. the angle was not level... and
I could
see
the other
side of
the bay... on
the other
side of
it.
I was
like
sliding down
this
thing
and tried
to figure out how
it
got out.. or got
in,
#28
Ask yourself where
is outside?
Let yourself
be drawn
in that direction.
What do you perceive?
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#10.5
. .Uh. .1
don* t.
. (sigh)
(pause)
I have feeling of great lifting and moving ... (mumbling)
like. .shift.
. .shift this
thing.
It. .it. .it. .does. .go out
and.. it does want to go out
the opposite
side.
It goes
out
the opposite
side.
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#28
Which cardinal direction
is
that?
Which cardinal direction
#10.5
North.
#28
would
the opposite side
be?
#10.5
North.
I
feel like
I am looking north now.
#28
# 10
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Which way would
it move
to go out?
U
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ru&s
. go forward toward
the north.. the
fir..uh..
"main thing^f . (mumbling)
• .move^ and many things dismantled Gwf
^and
.
. *Uh..uh..I
see
that. .a. .this thing
whatever
it
is,
is
resting on a.. a.. cradle that appears
to. .uh. .shift.
#28
Which way?
#10.5
Which way?
#28
Which way does
it appear
to shift?
#10.5
It appears
to shift
to
the vessels. .uh. .left.
#28
And then what happens?
#10.5
And then
the vessel
is returned
to where
it was
to
start with.
I
see.. I
see
a shifting and
a dropping.,
a sliding*. it slides sideways.
Now,
how
in
the hell
it gets out of there,
I
have no
idea.
I don’t see
any water.
I don't
see any... I don't see anything which
#28
OK.
That's
fine.
I would
like
to look
at something
else
now.
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#28
PAUSE
Move back up
the ceiling
and drift right along
the
ceiling.
. .slowly. .from east
to west.
Move
from your
position down
length of
the building
to your west.
Towards
the west,
down length of
the building.
Slowly
drifting
right up
to
the ceiling
so you can see down
below.. see things
in perspective below.. quite clearly
so that you aren't
so close that you can't understand
them,
that you're
far enough away so that you can see
them.
Moving now,
this area you've been talking about . .passing
underneath you and you're now approaching another area.
Describe
it
to me.
PAUSE
#10.5
Alright. .. uh.
. I
feel
that at this end.^this large
bay.
thisn loading bay on
the.. in
the corner
^fmumbling.)
. .feel on
the
far
end
^fatten
if
(interruption.
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..they're on
the other end of
the building. .that there
are several actual floors
in that end. .and. .look. .
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I
talked
about before.
And the main hallway goes straight ahead.
But
it
is at half
level.. there are still things down^ander
like what would be
in
a basement level.
That
is
still
occupied and
I could see
that
from
the
big bay
in the
bottom of
the big bay like.. goes
into those places.
In
the middle of
the big bay goes
into these other places
which may be ground level outside.
That
is something
that
is
interesting.
There's
a height differential
....that's what
it
isl
#28
#10.5
Go on.
This big bay
is Poarded outside
level.
At least
partial ly^berere
the outside level because main
hallway on
the others ide on
the bay was
roughly
equivalent
to ground level but here
I'm talking.
about
.I'm floating over something that's another
feet deeper.
You
see.
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#28
Why
is
it deeper?
PAUSE
#10.5
Why?
It needs
the extra depth.
PAUSE
#10.5
It's offset somehow.
What
I
feel
is
that.. from the
feeling
from the base
floor
there
is nothing
in between.
But
,
if
I go
to
the other
end of
the building
from the
ceiling
to
the basement
floor,
I go through
two
intermediate
floors.
You
see.
#28
Certainly.
#10.5
So. ..... (pause)
.....God!
the whole thing
is all
screwed up.
#28
OK.
Let's
take
a break
a minute.
Relax,
I have one other
question
I want
to ask
you.
As
soon as
I
turn
the
tape
over
.
#10.5
What.
(tape turned over)
@28
OK,
now,
before we, we draw here,
I have
a very different
question
to ask you about this area.
Very different than
the physical description of the area.. what you
see
happening
in
there.
Question
involves^ nationalities^
at this
location.
What nationalities^ do you^ perceive^
or
are
involved
in any way,
shape
or
form, with
this^
building and what's going on at this building?
PAUSE
#10.5
Urn
(sneezed).. I
am trying
to go over other
perceptions
as well.
#28
OK.
We can pursue
that question some other
time.
Let's go ahead and.. a.. and draw that which we have and
we'll go back after
that one particular question at
another
time.
Perhaps we can explore
some of
the
office area
that
this building holds.
Your concentration seems
to be broken now so
it
is
a good time
to draw.
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