Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9 M: Yeah. V: And that the whole idea has to do with like two or three of these going off in this direction. Sort of a flying saucer with guns. That’s what we’ll call jt, flying saucer with guns. And that these are kind of grouped and there’s, there’s, uh, these do something. Actuality of this, somehow or another this section, I’m gonna call it section, this section is some way currently terminated. And this is all the business end of what I was drawing yesterday and this. then this is like part two of a three-part section. It’s a flying saucer with nipples, I don’t know what else to oall it. M: OK, I don’t quite understand when you said this is part two of a three-part, are we talking about a, this object here. V: Yeah, what we have is for lack of a better way of describing it, we have a block, blocky-type of device that ] was drawing yesterday. M: Yeah. Vv: Call it a block device. M: OK. V: And that somehow feeds into this... M: OK. V: . thing, this... M:~ OK. V: .. with nodes. M: Right. Got it. Vv: OK? M: Um,hum. Vv: This is a, we'll call this the saucer. Saucer device. And then that feeds into, uh, Part Three. B-12 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9 M: = Yeah. V: I must be doing good work. So, we'll call this diagrams. M: OK. OK. Vv: And Part Three I'm gonna try to add but I’m not sure exactly what Part Three is yet. M: OK. V: I feel like I'll walk into a Part Three. So. M: That's it for now. V: Yup. ’M: — AJl right. B-13 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9 SESSION NUMBER FOUR Viewer 372 August 25, 1988, 11:20 a.m. M: OK. We're ready to begin Session Four. August 25, 1988, and we'll, this will be the wrap-up session, pull all the loose ends together... Vv: Um, hum. M: _ ...see what we get in terms of the overall view. Any, a couple of things that we hadn’t concentrated on are, um, you know, the overall activity, the people involved, that sort of thing. Vv: Um, hum. M: You get any impressions on, on any of that stuff, um... V: Right. M: --put that down. V: And, and you could say also end result. M: Yeah, sure. V: Specifics around experiment. M: Um, hum. V: OK. Uh, let me start off with some pretty basic statements. One is, uh, the experiment has to do with, uh, at least 1, this is my impression, collecting data on short wave front effects. Uh, what does that mean, I don’t know. M: OK. B-14 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9 V: My impression is that, uh, I keep seeing like, uh, a graphic representation of a huge spike, like a frequency line. M: Um, hum. V: And the frequency line, uh, is really high frequency, you know, we’re talking like up in the EMP range. Electromagnetic pulse range, I mean this is, all that covers a big spectrum too. EMP range of under, under 10 angstroms. We're talking about, a wave front that’s almost, wave front equals plasma-type effect. We're talking about, uh, I keep, this, this term short keeps coming in, but it’s, it’s a multiple use word. So we're talking like short or extremely short duration. We’re talking about, you know, aside from short wave, very short duration. M: Um, hum. Vv: Um, um, I’m looking for a right term to describe the, the wave front. And, it precedes all other effects. In other words, it’s the first one there, the speed of light. But it’s not, not photon type, it’s something else, that travels the speed of light, or very near speed of light. Power of output is, see I'm not a physicist, so I don’t know. M: Um, hum. V: But it, it’s really high. M: Um, hum. Um, hum. V: But, I’m trying to find a way of expressing it in laymen’s terms that will make sense. Power of output ,high enough to turn, uh, metal molecules to vapor. That’s pretty high. Vapor or plasma. Uh, target is multi-layers of different, uh, metal densities, with electronics sandwiched in between. Uh, feeling that the, uh, feeling some of the electronics are, I'll call them transfer sensors. Um, are away, um, immediate test site. Uh, are collecting data on wave front effects, um, but, but they’re doing it in like a step fashion. This just pops up in my mind I’m going to put it on this sheet over here. Here’s, uh, interesting a peace symbol. I get almost a peace symbol layout of a, this is the target. I'll do it this way. That’s the target. This direction is the wavefront emission, that’s not right. Let’s throw that out of here for a second. And we'll do it this way. Wave front emitter, and we'll make this the target, and then I’m gonna put an X where all the sensors are. Now the, its like, its not a real narrow thing. It’s more like this effect. And what all these sensors are for is to analyze this front as it goes through the sensors. And the target is pretty much really just a, a different way of analyzing that. These are more sensitive to other things. The little X sensors are more sensitive to other things. Call these, wh, sensitive to, uh, more specific elements of wave front effects. And then this target down here is, uh, more general, effect test. It’s like an overall evaluator. See these B-15 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9 are more, more job specific. The X's and the actual main target is more of a general overall type tying. The people are also. You say you had a project name for this? M: There's a code name for it, yeah, V: A code name. M: Um, hum. V: What's the code name? SG1A They’re trying to magnify analyze. Magnify. You know, you only use that word eight billion times in one career. Anyway. You get the gist. They’re trying to magnify, uh, analyze, uh, increase, focus, optimize, wave front energy. Sort of a, I’m, I’m gonna put this over to the side. Sort of coming to a balance in out-focus versus how strong the output. It’s almost like one has to be done at the expense of the other. M: Um, hum. V: The more strength they want to add to it, the less focus they can do. The more focus they want to add to it, the less Strength they can do. M: OK. V: And, and then that, of course, varies range and effect. Also, I’m getting a, I'm getting the, I’m getting a feeling that, that, um, we're gonna, we're gonna call this, uh, the old symbol that I’ve been using. I’ll draw it on the top of the page. I’m gonna conceptually try to break out what this symbol] is, or means. Cause I think it’s at the crux of the whole system here. M: Um, hum. Vv: OK. What I think this means, say this mean, that, uh, I’m getting like an implosion versus an explosion. It’s like there’s an object that looks something like this. And inside of it is something else. What’s happening here is we're getting something like this kinda stuff. What's happening, is, is, this stuff is coming down on this core and what’s causing it to do that is part, uh. I gotta label these. Part A is coming down on Part B. What's causing it to do that is Part A is being hit with Part C. This is B-16 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00787R000300290001-9