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When the coordinates were given,
Price
said
he was getting
a
picture that
they
(the Soviets)
have done
a
lot of rocket launching and recovery out of that
area.
As
he starts viewing,
he says
it's dark over there at the present time,
quite
a cloud cover,
and
a
full
moon.
He immediately
sees
the river and
heads
SW from the river
to the
institute
(as
he calls
it).
He
says
the' area
he's
look-
ing at
has
low one-story buildings
that are partially dug
into
the ground giving
the effect
(as
seen at ground
level)
of very short,
squatty buildings, whereas
they are actually fairly roomy on
the
inside.
This description could very well
describe
a first look at the Operations Area
at URDF-3.
He then finds that he
is
looking at
"a guy
in
a very peculiar type of
helmet."
He tends
to get bogged down
in the specifics of the purpose of this
helmet and shifts
his attention
to
look at the cosmonauts
(that were currently
in orbit)
to compare helmets.
He says
they
(the Soviets)
are running
some tests
on
some equipment that currently
has
to
do with
their space program.
Then
he
backs off from this
specific subject and
says,
"I'll
look around and come back
to that"
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he never does.
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to describe the general
terrain and perhaps
the
building
layout.
He drew
a
sketch
(Fig.
1)
in which
he correctly identifies
the complex
as being about 30 miles
south
of the
Irtysh River
(this
information
had been given
to
him earlier).
However,
he incorrectly says
the road from the
river passes
through
a gorge.
The layout of the buildings
and area
they cover
as
shown
in
his
sketch are
incorrect for URDF-3.
Although there are some an-
tennas
at URDF-3,
none are as
tall
as
the
500-ft.
antenna
he described.
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He pondered over
the dimensions of the outdoor
pool
he
saw because
"that's
in meters
-
they have
it."
He
then translates
it
to feet
(60'
x
150').
He
said
they use the
pool
for underwater testing and orientation studies
but
in reality
there
is
no outdoor
pool
at URDF-3.
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Fig,
2,
he drew
a military complex three-eighths
of
a mile NE of the
scientific complex shown
in
Fig.
1.
Actually there
is
a military complex at
URDF-3,
located about
1/2 miles
NW of the Operations Area,
but this
data was
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given
to him earlier when the target was described
as
a
scientific military
research and test area.
He said
the military complex
looked
like
it
had been
there for two to three years,
when
in
fact
it's
been there for over
a decade.
Also
in
Fig.
2,
he described
a radar/communications
building north of the
scientific complex.
The description
of the building and
its
location relative
to the military complex fits
the description of the probable laboratory-admini-
stration building
located about
1/2 miles northwest of the Operations Area
at
URDF-3.
When
he
is
specific about what
he sees
inside
the building,
one
of the
experimenters asks whether one of the specifics
he mentioned might well
be some-
thing else.
He
takes another look and changes
his mind saying,
"You may
be
right," giving
the impression that
he could
be
led
to see what the experimenter
suggests.
The experimenter quickly informed Price
that "we really don't know
what this
thing
is,"
and Price replies with,
"I'll
come back
to that,"
but
again never does.
Price
saw an array of telephone poles about 400 yards
SE of the scientific
complex
(see
Fig.
2),
but there
is
no such array of poles at or near URDF-3.
He was
then asked
to
go up
to 50,000 ft.
to
look again and describe the
layout.
Centering himself over the scientific complex,
he scanned
in
a clock-
wise direction;
the view he
saw
is
sketched
in
Fig.
3.
Nothing
in
this
figure
is correct except that
the area
is arid and
has
low hills
to
the
south.
Speci-
fically,
he
is
incorrect
in
his
locations
of
a
small
village,
an airstrip,
a
cluster of pine trees,
and
a city 60 miles
to
the
SW.
There
is,
however,
an
airfield at the Main Support Complex
30 miles north of URDF-3.
Price was asked
if he saw
a railroad anywhere.
The closest railroad
to
the target that
he could see was about
60 miles
north running roughly
NW and
SE and
he didn't
see any spur tracks
in
a direction
toward
the
target.
In
reality,
there
is
a
railway
in
the Main Support Complex
(about
30 miles
north
of URDF-3)
with
a
railway
spur under construction down
to URDF-3.
There
is also
grading
for
a railway ’spur -near, the military complex at URDF-3.
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Price became specific
in looking at
a
scope trace at the airstrip and
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claimed
it made him nauseated.
At this
time
the experimenters and Price decided
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so
Price said
he would come back
to
this later,
but as
he randomly
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elevated himself,
he noted the area was under high security and had
a cyclone
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fence.
He could read the troop markings and buttons
on
a
Colonel
and
then
said
he could come back to the security and military designations.
In
reality,
the
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Operations Area of URDF-3 has
4 security fences, not just one cyclone fence.
They
I
stopped
for lunch at about 12:14
p.m.
After lunch,
at 2:22
p.m.,
Price picks
up with
the scope trace at the
airstrip.
He concludes
that the trace
indicates
the pulse of someone who
is
nauseated
-
that's why
it caused nausea
in
him.
Ha was asked
to
indicate again where
the telephone poles were and
to map
out the perimeter of the area.
He drew
in
the telephone-pole grid with
a circle
of trees around
the grid
(see
Fig.
2).
There
is
no telephone-pole grid like
{
this
at or near URDF-3.
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seyeral
low-boy trucks and
a gantry crane
(for very heavy
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lifting)
in
the vehicle area
(Fig.
1),
Price was asked
if he could
tell
where
they took the heavy things from the low-boy trucks.
This question
led
him
to
a
look at
the area near Building
in
Fig.
1.
He saw a sign
in
front' of the
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building
that said something
to do with
Zone
4.
He
said he would get back
to
that but never did.
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When describing Building
1,
he said
it had three
stories above-ground
plus
a basement with meteorological
equipment
on
the flat roof and
then
looked
inside the building at the top floor.
He started
to get too specific
as
to what
he saw inside
the building and was reminded that the type of thing
the experi-
menters could best check him on was
the outside appearance of the buildings.
They asked him
the dimensions of Building
and
he had
a very difficult
time
establishing them when
he finally settled
on
80'
x
160'.
He then described
the other buildings
in the scientific complex.
He
said Building
was
the
dominant building due
to
its height
and- central
location; everything
seemed
to,
pivot off of
it.
There
is
no building at URDF-3 that matches
the above descrip-
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They decided
to stop the experiment for the day but asked Price
to look
at the target at different
intervals
that evening.
(Due to the difference
in
time,
all
of his viewing during
this formalized
part of the experiment
-
on
this first day
-
had been at nighttime
locally at URDF-3).
Price said
he was beginning
to labor anyway and,
"if you
start laboring
at
it, you start mocking-up things."
He was
then reminded
that
he was going
to draw
a
perimeter,
or would
he rather save that for tomorrow.
He said
he
would rather save that since he's
starting
to labor
a
bit.
It was unfortunate
that they didn't pursue the perimeter earlier
in
the day because
it certainly
has
a unique
shape.
They quit at
p.m.
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Summary of the First
Day
The controlled
session taped at
SRI
lasted
a
total
of about
hour
and
52 minutes.
It consisted of the experimenters
defining the target
as
a
"real
target"
as opposed
to
a
sample target.
With the use of several
maps,
Pat
Price was given coordinates of the target and
told
that
it was
a
scientific
military research and test area about 25
to 30 miles
SW of the
Irtysh River.
When
the coordinates were given,
Price immediately biased
his
thinking
that this
area was
related
to the Soviets'
space-launching and recov-
ery areas.
Since
this
is
not true,
he may have inadvertantly and unknowingly
biased
himself
into
an
incorrect target relationship.
Price described
the target as
a military and scientific complex
about
30 miles
SW of the
Irtysh
River but there
is
nothing
in
this description
that wasn't already given
to
him.
He
then
gives what
is almost
a
perfect de-
scription of someone's first
look at the Operations Area of URDF-3.
He describes
it as
low one-story buildings that are partially dug
into
the ground giving
the
effect
(as
seen
at ground
level)
of very short,
squatty buildings, whereas they
are actually fairly roomy on
the
inside.
Unfortunately,
as
he later describes
the specifics
of buildings
in
the scientific complex,
he never again mentions
earth-covering of partially-buried buildings..
It seemed
he
had
the perfect
description of URDF-3,
but never came back
to
that again.
In fact,
his
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description of the most dominant building
(a
large three-story building)
doesn't
match any building at URDF-3.
Price tends
to get bogged down
in specifics
and
then
says something
like,
"I'll
come back
to that,"
but seldom does.
He
said the military complex
looks
like
it's
been
there for two to three years when
in fact
it's
been there
for over
a decade.
At one point when describing the specifics of the "radar/
communications
building,"
he demonstrates that
he could possibly
be
led
to see
what the experimenter wants
him
to
see.
He
sees some landmark- type
items
that simply don't appear at or
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near URDF-3.
They are:
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1)
the road from the river to the target area
passes
through
a
gorge,
2)
a
500-ft.
tall
antenna,
3)
an outdoor pool
(60'
x 150'),
4)
an array of telephone
poles surrounded by trees
about 500 yards
SE of the scientific complex,
5)
an airstrip
on
a plateau
12 miles NW of URDF-3,
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a
small
village
NE of URDF-3,
7)
a city 60 miles
SW of URDF-3,
8)
a cluster of pine
trees west of URDF-3,
and
9)
a three-story building
(with
a
basement)
as
the dominant building
in
the scientific
complex.
It doesn't seem fair
to grade
him on landmark-type objects he failed
to
see at
the target because
his attention may not have
been directed
on them.
However,
it does
seem fair
to question
the existence of those
object's
he claims
to
have
seen.
The most positive evidence of valid
remote viewing for the first day
(1
hour and
52 minutes) was
his
initial
view of the target as "low One- story build-
ings
that are partially dug
into the ground..."
Unfortunately,
he never con-
sidered
that description again.
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that
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To summarize
the
first day's
session.
Price accurately described
the location
and
type of target
(but that was
given)
but failed on
the layout
and
type of buildings.
He tended
to spend
too much
time on specifics
only
to
say,
"I'll
come back
to
that,"
but seldom did.
He successfully evaded drawing
a perimeter of the area even though
he was asked
to
do
this
twice.
This was
unfortunate because
the shape of the perimeter
is
unique.
My conclusion
is
that nothing
positive
to validate remote viewing resulted from this first day's
session.
Additional
Contact on
the First Day
Hal
Puthoff talked
to
Pat Price by telephone
that evening at 5:25
p.m.
to give him further instructions
for his scanning
that night.
He was
told
that
there were some specific areas
he
had mentioned that the experimenters were most
interested
in.
Specifically
he was asked "for an exact,
as
possible,
drawing
of the crane
(that was
in
the
rear of Building
1)
and exactly what
its
relation-
ship
is
to Building
1."
Further,
they wanted
to
know "anything
about Building
in relation
to
the surrounding buildings,
like whatever
forms of connection or
communication or transportation
that exists between Building
(the main building)
and the ones
that are nearby."
They especially wanted
"as much detail
as
possible
on
the gantry crane and
its relation
to Building
1."
He was
told
that the second
thing
they were most
interested
in
was
the security fence around
the
perimeter.
They wanted any detail
on
that
-
even
a drawing of exactly what
the fence
looked
like.
It was ^emphasized that
the
crane was really top priority,
especially what
it looked Mike
in relation
to
the main building
(Building
1).
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The remote-viewing experiment resumed at
a.m.
on July
10,
1974.
It
was mentioned that the previous night Price had turned
iri drawings of
a
fence
and
a
crane.
Price's first comments had
to
do with
an observation of the
immense
size of
the gantry crane.
He said
he didn't realize how large
the gantry crane
was
until
he saw
a man walking by one
of
the crane. wheels.
Assuming
the height of
the man
as
ft.,
he realized that
the dimensional
data
he had derived
the day
be-
fore was underestimated by at least
a
factor of
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He commented on
the security fence
as
being electrified,
but never men-
tioned
the unique
shape of the perimeter fence or the fact that there are
really four perimeter fences
at URDF-3.
Figure
is
his
sketch of
a
small
sec-
tion of the fence.
Price was again
told that the experimeters wanted more
information
on
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exactly what
the relationship was
between
the crane and the major building
(Building
1);
specifically,
how did
the crane interact with Building
or any-
thing
surrounding
the building.
Price
said
the gantry crane interacted with
Building
1,
the outdoor
pool
and the telephone pole array.
He drew
a
sketch
showing
the relative locations of buildings
as
he saw them that day
(Fig.
5).
He
said the crane was
so heavy that
it left tracks
in
the! ground and
that,
"the crane tracks
go
to
the building and where
this
sunke n building
is."
Un-
fortunately,
the experimenters
did not ask him
to
identify the
"sunken
building."
This was
important because
in reality the gantry crane at URDF-3 operates
on
rails over
a sunken building
(designated as Building
1 by NPIC).
As
Price continued
to look at the area,
he
said,
"I'm seeing
a lot of
things today
I
didn't
see yesterday....
T can see some very
heavy...
looks
like
railroad
track,
but they're spread much
too wide
so
it looks
like
a
riding gan-
try."
That description compares quite closely with one of the most distinctive
observables
at URDF-3
-
the gantry crane
that operates
on rails over the three-
story underground building
(Building
at URDF-3).
However,
his description of the interaction between
the crane and Building
is
incorrect.
He describes
two gantry cranes
that enter into
his above-ground
Building
whereas the single gantry crane at URDF-3 operates
on rails above the
underground Building
1.
His description
of
this building
is also wrong
in
several
respects
as compared
to the actual
Building
at URDF-3.
The major dif-
ference
is
that Building
at URDF-3
is
an underground building
rather than above
ground
as
Price described
it.
He was asked,
"Are there any windows
in
the build-
ing at all?"
At this
time,
he realizes
for
the first time that the building
is
actually five-stories
tall
rather than three-stories
as
he had originally thought
He
saw windows on the second,
third
and
fourth stories on the north side of
the
building and
said
there were
no windows
on the other three sides.
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Assuming
the relationship of the gantry crane
to Building
in
Fig.
is
the same as
the relationship of the gantry crane
to Building
at
URDF-3,
it must
be concluded
that Price
is oriented
90°
in error
in
the scien-
tific complex.
His
north direction
for the scientific complex only would cor-
respond
to what
is actually east at URDF-3.
His
relationship of scientific
complex
to military complex to the
Irtysh River
is
still
correct though.
Unfortunately,
the experimenters failed again
to get
a drawing of
the perimeter fence for the
scientific complex.
In
Fig.
5,
I
have taken
the
liberty of drawing
a
perimeter fence around the scientific complex and come
very close
to the actual
shape of the perimeter fence of
the Operations Area
(scientific complex)
at URDF-3.
Price
had
been asked twice the day before
to
draw
a perimeter of the area,
but
it wasn't followed
up
by the experimenters.
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Summary of the Second Day
The controlled
session at
SRI
lasted for one hour
(11
a.m.
until
noon).
The
rest of the session was conducted over the telephone with only
the
voice of the experimenter recorded
on
tape.
Price commented that
he was
see-
ing
a lot of things
that
he hadn't seen
the previous day and
supplied the most
positive evidence yet for remote viewing with
his sketch of the rail-mounted
gantry crane.
It seems
inconceivable
to
imagine how he could draw such
a
like-
ness
to the actual
crane at URDF-3 unless:
1)
he actually
saw
it through remote viewing,
or
2)
he was
informed of what
to draw by someone
knowledgeable of URDF-3.
I only mention
this second possibility because the experiment was
not controlled
to discount
the
possibility that Price could
talk
to other people
-
such
as
the
Di sinformation Section
of the
KGB.
That may sound ridiculous
to the reader,
but
I
have
to consider
all
possibilities
in
the spectrum from his
being capable
to
view remotely to
his
being
supplied data
for disinformation purposes
by the
KGB.
Discounting
item
2 for the time being,
because
it
seems
distasteful'
and unpopular.
Price did much better the second day toward establishing
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credibility
in
remote viewing.
Unfortunately,
the experimenters
did not follow
up
on
a couple of key items
-
a sketch of
the perimeter of the scientific
complex,
and pursuing
the
"sunken
building"
comment that Price made.
After studying only
his
sketch of the gantry crane,
it's easy
to believe
that
he can
view
remotely.
I
can understand how he might not see some
landmark-type objects
(like
the four
headframes)
but
I
find
it difficult
to understand the other landmark- type
ob-
jects
he
sees
that simply do not exist at URDF-3,
like
his
incorrect description
of Building
1.
One explanation
could
be
that if Price mentions enough specific
objects
(such
as
three different types of gantry cranes when
there
is
really only
one),
he will
surely hit on
one object that
is actually present.
If
the user of
Price's
remote-viewing
talents
had no way of checking,
how could
he differentiate
the fact from the fiction?
At this stage of the experiment,
the data
is
incon-
clusive
to
validate
Price's capability of remote
viewing.
THIRD DAY
Summary
The experiment began again at 11:43 a.m.
on July 11,
1S74.
The
data
included
67 pages of transcribed tapes along with 6 sketches
drawn
that
day by Pat Price.
It was difficult
to follow the discussion of Price
and the
experimenters when
they were obviously looking at
a
sketch and saying
things
like,
"What about this
object over
here?"
I
had no way of guessing which object
and at which location and on which
sketch.
The experiment started with Price
describing
the specifics of the
pool.
At one time during
this discussion
I
thought the pool
he was
looking at
might well
be
the underground building
(Building
1)
at URDF-3.
He incorrectly recalled the nearest railroad
as being
300 miles
to
the north even
thougli on
the first day,
he
had said
the closest railroad
was about 60 miles
north.
During
the early afternoon,
the experimenters
showed Price
a
sketch
of
a perspective of
the southern
part of
the Operations Area at URDF-3
(see
Fig.
11).
The sketch
included
the rail-mounted gantry crane,
the underground building
(Building
1),
the partially earth-covered
tank.
Building 4,
and
the four headframes.
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