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circle I'm going to draw the way
it looked to
me? what
I
imagined it to look like from what
I
saw at the window.
I thought the building was probably shaped like this,
and
I
was in the position of the
X here,
and looking across like that.
Okay.
But,
it was later that you discovered that you were
actually in a separate building.
Later,
that
I
felt that there was shrubs,
some shrubs or
something
in here,
and a tree over here somewhere.
This angle
is a bit accute here,
but,
I felt
I was in the first building,
but the angle
is more like position of the second building here.
More like that.
Okay.
But,
you were definitely
in this area where these four
similar buildings are.
Yes.
I definitely thought that.
There's something else over
in here.
There's some more building
in this area here.
I
don
' t even
see the
Okay.
Why don't you
draw.
Uh.. .now,
let me draw this over
again,
drawing
I was drawing over.
Okay.
We'll draw this again.
Give me
a chance to position these buildings a little better,
too.
And,
I seemed
to remember this building here,
I think
was "F."
That's just memory.
Uh...
I
thought was in this
building here,
and looking across
in the direction of this arrow.
Trees and shrubs
in this area,
and there's some other conglomerate
of buildings.
I
don't
know,
this,
this may be memory,
I don t
know.
Now,
I'd like to make this sketch of where
I thought the
building looked like when
I first looked out the window.
Over
to the left,
inside the circle.
Why don't we put
1A down on the bottom of this page,
and we'll
put.. .stands for one again
I'm sorry.
What?
Put
1A down there.
Okay.
That's fine.
Now,
the building
in
which you have the
X
in
is where you felt Don was located.
Yes.
And,
I thought the .
.
.
fence was along where these Xs are.
Are we throwing
this one out?
No.
We’ll include
it,
but this will be one,
and one A.
Now,
how about the inside scene where you saw him. .... .begin with
the inside scene?
The type of furniture would be helpful,
and
these strange windows that you mentioned,
that seemed like
a lot
of glass to you.
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We ought to throw this pen out.
It's
Out of ink.
Okay.
I
can see you're depicting there where you had this...
uh...this two storey building where you could look out the
window and see over there.
Ahh
and this guy with the funny haircut is sitting
t
over at the table reading.
. . .uh. .. .a magazine,
or something.
But,
he had a short haircut and
it was high in the back,
I
remember.
Back over here on
a couch to the
left, was
a guy
lying down here.
There was other furniture around
in here.,
tables and what have you
it had magazines on
'em.
You mentioned something about
a make shift Ping-Pong table.
Yeah.
It was sitting in here,
and it had boxes under
it.
Sitting over here
in
a corner,
and
it had a piece
of cloth
for
a net.
Just
a piece of plywood.
Okay.
Let's label that drawing number
2.
How about labeling
Don,
and an arrow to him and the others.
And,
then an arrow
to the couch area.
And,
then the tall person
left... tall person left at the door
over here.
There's also a door over to the right.
So there were four people that you
saw.
Ummm.
. .aha.
Any guards at all?
No.
I
looked for guards.
1 didn't see them.
Okay.
Good.
That's
a good drawing.
I'm sure these are not to s^cale.
I'm just drawing this room.
You're going to give me an overview of this room now,
okay.
Ping-Ping table here,
and he was sitting. ........ .in this
position here, with his arms hanging over the side.
There
was some different chairs around,
too.
But,
this bad
(mumbling)
was sitting here.
Okay.
Bad haircut at table.
Older gentleman
on the couch.
And,
this would be the walls of the windows here?
Ahh,.... I don't know how far they went to the left,
but
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Why don't you just write window on that,
and those two doors
down there,
okay.
Now,
in exploring the rest of the building
you found
a room in which there were some cots.
Yeah.
Let's see. . .
.
Which
is not this room?
No.
Not that room.
So that
Do
1 understand then,
you are saying that this
is not their normal sleeping place.
Even though you..
No.
I think they were
just. ......... .1 think they did not
think much about night or day.
One was about the same as
the other so they found themselves sleeping
in the day.
Sometime sitting up half the night.
That sort of thing.
Uh. . .1 was aware of coming through the door,
and
I think
I
turned to the right,
and then to the
left,
and
I found a room
where there was a refrigerator and a sink.
I don't know just
how the heck
I got there.
Except
I felt
I turned to the right
then turned to the left.
I thought there ought,
to be a kitchen
but,
I didn't see
a stove.
I went down the hall to the left
and on the right
to where
I thought the tall one
.... .went to.
Aha.... and straight ahead was
a longer room,
and I'm sure
that's not the scale,
but
I thought there was three.
. .uh. .
.
cots
in here,
and there's some other furniture,
or what have
you,
but
I
was just. .... .main thing was wherever was the cots
don't know exactly how they fit
in there,
and
I don't know
that the other
3 people slept
in that room.
I felt there was
another room somewhere.
Logical place is there,
but
I
did
not see
it.
Okay. ..... .Number
4.
Aha.. ....So when
I... I
felt
I was on the compound so there's
a danger
of overlay with memory overlaying. ... .what
I was
seeing
way
I was winking.....!
can see this potential
problem.
Now,
did you see any one of these individuals clearly enough
that you would be able to recognize them from a
picture.-'
I
felt one guy was about
6 foot
3 or
4.
I
saw him from the
back,
I
didn't pay much attention to the older guy.
But,
the quy with the bad haircut ... .it was cut pretty high.....
in the back and
it was very thin and kind of skinny.
Looked
like he..... I don't
know.
30,
30ish,
28,
30ish.
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I might recognize him.
That's about
it.
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Okay.
Anything you'd like to add?
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No.
Except
I thought this guy was heavier than he appeared
here.
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You think Don is..... to you,
is heavier than what he shows
there.
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You said once you thought he had a beard.
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Thank you.
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