Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : 0 Se ODE #66: #10.5: #663 #10.5: #663 #1053 The sleeping man was around this corner. Seven is a living room shot looking into the house. Sleeping manes..cGksse and a place where hostages were. And, I underline word on it..eeeeeis around and to the right. The idea.....that place eeoeedS like around the corner to the right, first door, left, is a room or....somehow you go back out and the window of the hostages room looked on the patio where the pool was. So for 8, oh, go back to sketch.....mo 1 can't do it...... Ok. Pretty quick here now, you started talking about, you spontaneously zipped outside and found those gun crew, or something. Does that come first, or does that come after this. Did I start talking about where hostages used to be or where they are? Which one came first? Your gun crew came first. Ok. Let me do that. All right. I had the feeling of a... uh..«-snon=-dugged in but sandbagged position....low, low bagging on it.....maybe 3 layers....just enough for a gun with a tri-pod to sit over or point over, ok. I tried to figure out what kind of a gun it was, but I just couldn't. I knew it was there.....black and it was ugly.....and it was....did it's thing. Surrounded by trees...almost trees, almost out in front of itYou know. Trees are like cight along the side of it and a couple in the background. And, behind it, I could see the building. I think it was the same place. I do think I was just outside. Uh.....-ok. You can see it peeking through the trees, and, maybe a couple of windows in there. Like that. And, the distance is maybe, maybe 50 feet. But, it's covered over, you know. The trees are around it. But, that somehow, out this way, this is actually located on the edge of an open clearing...and it's like tucked back in under the trees. This is the target building. Around here is the pool patio. Ok. Can you go to another page and draw an overview?. Yeah. For 9 I did hops up. Ok. There are trees around here...cops, and these trees make almost a crescent, ck, and about like, right here, is where the gun is. Ok. Ok, ['11 also use this overhead for the next series......this is number 9, on number 9.....when I was in....-I'll draw the dotted arrow, that the direction which the previous hostages had been directed in was in that.......I had the feeking like catty~cerner across the pool patio....out from here in that divection.....-ok.....More trees around here. Ok. And...tih..oX, on the spot, that's sleeping man; X...old hostage location, and then right at the very end of the session, I was back outside one more time, and I had the Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : ca PRE etteerfees0001-s
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDES p- #66: #10.53 #662 #1IG.5: #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA | 7 feeling like there were like two, two people lounging around a...autside patio type...chairs that were there. Right against the woods, between the pool and the woods. I mean they're lounging. They're not in their skivvies. 7 They're lounging...you know...sitting on their butts at the... mean they're dressed, and everything, situation. Ok. Ok. The feeling about the old hostage room was that I could peek out the left window and see the pool, ok. 50 it would mean to me that it might be a little bit farther back along that big blocky part...rear part of the building. Uh..eit wag off the hall. I tried to look around, and see if there were any other places like that, but I had the feeling that I was looking at essentially a bare room that everything had been moved out of, and the one minute, when I first looked at it, 1 said there's something interesting here, what is it. There's nothing in the room. Then I saw like all sorts of blankets and stuff all over, and then it disappeared again, and then it came back again, then it disappeared again. And, then I asked myself, where did these people. And, I looked up,—and. 4--beeked- a OEE in: window and across thepool and I went like...voom...zao in like the zooming with the camera lens, and I saw, I just had one of the four buildings that are in a row. The four small houses. Because, I recognized the pattern... just > iively I said, oh, it's those four. houses o¢ But, whi feeling maybe 7 or 8 people had been in that room, and then they had been taken away some time earlier than that. How about the rest of the building. Aside from the man. that you told me about before...do you have any opinions about the rest of the building? No. I tell you it was unoccupied. I'd say, if anything, there might be a small group of the people or occupants billeted there or gun crew. But, I wasn't able to get into any ather places. I kept asking myself this big question, Ok. Where are they? I only went to two places. .Sa, I'd have to presume there wasn't any real relevance to the rest of the structure. That's the only real relevance. Ok. So you would say that the building is now, at this time, unoceupied or ..cose. No hostages. soe hostages in this building. 88010001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RI #10053. #663 #10.53 #66: #10.52 #66: 400P10001-8 That's what I'd say. Ok. If it is occupied, again they'd probably put them right back in that same room. Ok. Anything else you want to add? I want to do this Funny window. Ok. This is the thing that you had at the end. Yeah. And, I had it at the beginning tea. And, then it just popped back to me. JI think it is along the back of the building, or what I would call the back of the building, and it was the funniest thing. It wag like a higher window there.....that had the appearance of having been bagged of f...-.1 mean the actual window......having been bagged, sandbagged off, and sticking out through this thing waa this tube. So for 10, I'll do a quick little ...quick insert.....ec+.«s»sfeeling of these sardbags, oeooeel sorewed that up, didn't I....... feeling of these sandbags.....and protruding out from this thing was this..... you know what a firehase nozzle looks like........it's like that. It's fluted at the end.....ok.....it splays out at the end....comes out like this all araund it..... and this thing was sticking out. I almost....I almost..... I actually said to myself, that's funny as hell! What the hell somebody got the firehose nozzle pointing out of the window fer? You know. What comes out of that thing. Then, I just said, well, you know, that's probably just garbage. To heck with it. Just something weird. Then, I.went on with the rest of the session. And, then when I was...seceeeee¥OU asked me if I had anything more to add........»and 1 said NOseeeeeeeeand the next thought that popped into my mind, was this damn thing again. Qk. ‘And, it's metallic; it's all the gestalt things of a big ass of a big firehose nozzle. Big, two mam nozzle type thing, only all I could see ofit, was just the end of it. So, I don't know if it's a sump pump or could be an automatic weapon, ar something like that. You know. Put in the window. It was very, very spontaneous. Thing protruding from partially sandbag window shaped....«. like a firehose nozzle. 0k. That's ali I got. Ok. Approved For Release 2000/08/0 = 002100010001-8
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