+18 +21 Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6 #6.5: #1925: #195: #625: #19.53 #653 #1925: Okay. Well you can do it. So, go ahead and remove that cloth, and see what is being concealed; what is behind this cloth like stuff. PAUSE Ah...geeze! It's like a ...outline of « barbell shape, like two deep pits of some kind, inter-interconnected in the middle where a narrow thing goes very deep lying, lying very much like a silo or some kind....«--- 1 started to get a Feeling for ...like some kind of a launch facility of some kind..... Got large pipes like cooling things, cooling vents or something, and shallow pits in the bottom of the pit...and maneuver racks for moving large, large rockets or something. Great, great care is being taken hiding the construction with overhead cover, and, and side protection cover, It, it has some kind of a super secret launch facility; where facilities are provided for actual construction of the missile or the rocket right in the pit. Like they are assembled in the pit; not, not brought. They're assembled, but aclually put together there as well as launched there. I am yetting a strongeere-- I just got an overwhelming feeling of like South America or something or a southern country...clase ...close to a close to our continent...a Mexico or nu, not Cuba or something, Cuba maybe....island or pennisula country South America. Okay. How far along are they in this project #19.5? How far along? Better than half completed. I see, | swe it ona large launch facility, I think. It's got many tunnels like for flooding for cooling. Thick, very thick conere!e blast walls, in the deepest part, and..uh.....very secretive construction. Okay. Now, the last thing I'd like you to da #19.5, is once again change your perspective. This time change your perspective to an altitude of 5000 fer!, and look ever the whole area and tell me of any any prominent features that you see. How many features that you can sre from an altitude perspective of around 5000 feet. PAUSE Hummme.eees 1 sce, see the, I sce morc oF coast line to the south running diagonally from upper riqht to bottom icft corner...-appears to be a lot more swamp or jungle down towards that edge...-.. way in the extreme upper left, I sce a very rocky coast line there as well. To the right, there is.....-. looks like a plateau..a small corner ol a plateau and mountains. 4 Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6
Approved For Release 2003/09/10-: CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6 #19.5: #6.53 #1925: #6.5: #19253 #6.5: #1925? #6.53 #19.5: #6253 #1925: #6.5% #19.5: To the extreme upper left is a very large city, but very far away; Like over fifty miles....and...looks like fields of something on the left....great fields of something....sort of a temporary airstrip next to the silos or whatever they are...--. It's probably a temporary airstrip. ILtu..ethat's all that I'm getting. Okay. What I would like to see you do now, change your perspective and go down, go down to thal temporary airstrip, and tell me about the activity down there. PAUSE There's a...only a single planc...looks, looks a lot like a..... oer ah...e Cle. -C130...-four....-big four engines, very Is there anyone near this plane......oFr on the plane? Yeah. There's guards by the plane. Ihey are WEATING wocscacee like the old..... the old Marine khakis. Aha... Do a time scan for me, and tell me how Long that plane has been there. Three, three days. Aha...it's empty, fut it was there for three days, now. PAUSE Bosides this one plane, do you see any ther planes in the area? No. Not now. There's, there's many planes that come and go, though. What makes you say that? It appears they...keep fixing the runway for some reason. Like it's a temporary runway, and they keep smoothing il out. These heavy, heavy cargo planes just keep geing and coming. Okay. Why don't you move your perspect ive aorund the airfield, and tell me about anything that you sec around the airfield. Now, 1 don't want you to leave the airfield, though. 1 want you to stay on the airstrip, but move wround, and tell me if you see anything there. Have heavy equipment...see like...some kind of heavy equipment. t don't know what it is, it's just larcqe with track; maybe a bulldozer or somothing. .-.+- Some shed like roofs..... a with metal like....metal crates or something stored under thome.es- That's all I sce. v) Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6
+31 Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6 #6.53 #195: 6.53 #19 25: #6.5: #1925: #6.53 #1925: #G.53 #19.5: 6.9% #1925: #6.5% #19253 #6.53 #1925: 6.53 #19.5: Okay. eerseeee Okay. Those crates that you mentioned, describe how big they are and open one ol them and tell me what's inside. They're, they're maybe...a...three, three-quarter ton truck size. 1 see what looks like a engine spire parts....these..-- look very complicated . They...-- like a...engine spare parts or sections of engines with a fuel lines and cables and things. Aluminum color. Do I understand that you are seeing engine spare parts and fuel lines and cables...-ceeeees Yes. That's correct. se weeee that are in these crates? Inside the crates. Aha... Did you open one of these crates? That's what I saw. Okay. Okay. Anything else inside one »f these crates? Are they all carrying the same stuff? Not too many crates.... That's all I see. Looks like a...-- engine parts. Okay. Tell me if you can, and you can, on a time scan basis, when the plane had the crew aboard, whnl. language were they they speaking? Russian. The plane's crew is Russian. PAUSE Do I understand you to say that the plane has Russian markings? No. There's no markings on the planc. No markings on the plane. None at all. PAUSE Okay. Do you have anything else that you would like to add at this time? LT think it's Cuba. 6 Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6
6.53 Aha.eees aha... #19.5: 1 don't know why I say that. It looks very much like Cuba to me. #6.5: Okay. I have no further questions, at this time. Why don't you relax, relax and take a couple of minutes, and then we will do some drawings. I will put this thing on hold for the time being. PAUSE #6253 Okay, okay, well, we're back in business now, and...why don't you go ahead and do your drawings, and number them as you go along. #195: Okay. I guess I will start with the "L" shaped thing. If got a, I get an impression from, I can't remember how many fect it was, initially. #6.5% Okay. The initial one was from a perspective of about 1000 Feet. #195: Okay. From a 1000 fect I get a perspective of this..."L" shaped thing. It looked like pavement or concrete or something at first.....I'm not sure what it was. Just an "UL" shape, and a... That is the "LY shape, and it was perhaps a, a, 250 by 300 this way; that's fect. Call this A, and then I got a...like a earthenware ramp fecling with a... trying, trying to get this as accurate as I can...like these main supports...of concrete coming out, and this is like rock or something up here...and, then 'here was like pillars ...- support pillars...like this, with this earthenware. This carth-type thing went down into...1 don't know if this is very clear or not...like that, and it was very dark up in here, and then I had an impression of a ssss....-1 gucss that's all I have on that, that stuff. #6.5: Okay. #1929: It's kind of rocky in here. This appeared to be flat on the ground, and there was shadow likc to |his side. So, I'll label all of this when I darken it in ink, and then a....-- Il had an impression of this....- I guess then I started getting an impression while I was moving around in this pit associa- ted to this...dual pits, and they appeared to be constructed in this shape. And, I, I can't be suro if they were covered by this overhang or if they were dirertly under the overhang because, all of a sudden, they became very clear to me. These are constructed as steel reinforced conerete...as being like the upper cdge. Like this, and this is just ground around Lb. acne very, very deep.... This kind of affect. 7 Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6
Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6 #6253 Aha.eee #19.5: Let's see. #6.53 Now that... Is that discernable from overhead? #19.5: No. It's covered, #6053 That's covered. #19.5: Definitely covered. #65: Okay. That's what you told me after { «asked you to go around, through, whatever, the cloth or whatever. #19.5: Yeah, yeah, right. When I got underneath the cloth. feel-L don't know exactly where the cloth was hanging from, but, it may have been hanging somewhere over this ramp. #6.5: Aha. #19.5: Like, you would have to drive down in tnder this big earthenware covered support to get towards these pits. These, these pits would be viewable from the side if the cloth wasn't there, -..you know. #6253 Okay. Aha. #1925: And, now these pits, I should draw a culaway, I guess of these...1 got the fecling like they were very decp, like this sort of affect, and I can't, perspective wise, I can tell you how far apart they...and I don't... think they're farther than they appear in my drawinc:, but, I can't be specific about how far. And, this channel like thing connects tom...this like channel area here...and they are like very deep. #6.5: Do you have any idea what that depth is? #195: Well over 10 stories. #6293 When you were mentioning something six or seven storics, remember...was this what you were referring to? Do you remember? #19.5: Well, I was referring to this part, fre, That's six or seven. And, then underneath that is this big work area...likc.... and it's big...wide open...and I also got an impression that down in here there was a further sunken section to this pil. It was in layers. And, coming from those layers were those-Like...cooling tubes...where they would, under high pressure could pump water into these sections. ..eerecreees 8 Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400750001-6