Approved For Release 2000/08/0 , 788R000800450001-5 #6.5 (mumbling) #14 The individual sitting behind the desk is...is... ah...the guy is trying to be very benevolent... ah..-he is definitely not the student type, definitely very professional and I...I really don't...1, for some reason I can't identify hi #6.5 OK. Relax now and change your perspective and go outside this building and tell me what you see. Go outside this buidling and describe what you see. PAUSE #14 Outside...1I ah...I was gonna try to take the shortest route which is through the windows or doors behind this desk...for some reason I was blocked from that so...I guess I'll go out the..the +25 main or front entrance. #6.5 Uhm uhh. - PAUSE 7 #14 I'm having problems staying in one place. Ah... while trying to focus from the outside looking at his building all of a sudden I seem to be (sigh) in a vehicle driving down the streets watching the buildings and stuff go by...for quite some distance and then (sigh)...ah...now I'm trying to ocus and go back to (sigh) I'm not getting any clear imagery but the impressions of that...ahm... there are columns out in front, stairs leading up | to the entrance of this building and I'm not sure | “how many. One’ thing’ T have a derinite-feel for is ij there appear to be four guards outside of this \ re and these were very military looking...they \ were no denk.type.e.thesé were formal type guards...spit and polish type. #6.5 OK PAUSE #14 Ahm...Before...ah...There appeared perhaps two at the entrance itself and two at the street level. The two at the street level seem to be kind 13k Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800450001-5 .
Approved For Release 2000/08/0 800450001-5 they were still guards but were acting more as... as doormen or something. There's...yeh...ah... there's an area in front where vehicles or cars, whatever, pull up and drop people off - pick people up. #65 © OK. You see anything else you want to add? PAUSE #14 Yeh, I could throw alot of things together in a nut shell. Ah, before the session, this is gonna sound crazy, but before the session officially started...ah...1 was focusing and concentrating _on the subject and I had...ah...the picture.of a vehicle or car seat and then I'd picture of...ah... the most detailed picture of a crapper. Ah...and then as -ttrecwnerthie session started, we started out in this office type room and course, I don't know, maybe the individual in the chair was...was a good guy, I don't know, it was hard to tell. He'd...ah...the...the subject was sitting there seemed to be ignoring the individual or bored or in a state of _shock.<+<sahss+the-individual sitting | behind ‘the desk did not appear what 1 oukd-expect _4fas appearing as an Iranian. Ah...seemed ‘to a p. very official type location, place, building, and i 1{ vould appear that the subject was brought there, ~ talked with, talked to, interrogated, and was taken, when they were finished was taken away which is perhaps what was happening when 1 went outside and | t caught up zippin down’ the streets. —- #6.5 Why don't OS ESLER, “Felax-and-eit- up -und-de"Some drawings of images that you have, OK. #14 All righty. #6.5 OK. Why don't we try to do some drawings here. PAUSE #14 Ah...drawing No. 1, I'l] put things...try to put things in kind of a perspective in how they kind of started coming into place. #6.5 OK. Better watch your mike so you get picked up. (mumbling) (laughter) Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800450001-5 vem cane een wet ve ct miennperannengnpepens conn tn pe
ceeeree wep eet SOV OAR  E R t Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : 0001-5 #14 ; OK. I felt as if I was occupying the same position as...ah...ah...Mr. Kalp. I felt that I was...ah... I was sitting right in the same chair he was.when things started falling into place. Ah... (PAUSE ) in a room with ah...high ceilings. .high ceilings. / The first thing I sav..would be about here...was { long coffee table and this was a very, you know, ° { very rich wood...I was admiring the wood, it was” much nicer than the one we havé here. It was solid, might a, might of had been carved a little bit or-._ something and over here to the left is a very 1ar0e, | and again, nice wooden desk...ah...em...aged, old desk, very heavy, very impressive, and behind-this desk was...appeared to be a...a very high backed chair. I mean really, you know, exclusive, executive type or whatever. #6.5 OK. 1 had the feeling it's all relative, you aicnyk think this was an ordinary office. #14 jNo...no, this was...ah...it reminded me something - similar to ah...ah...general's office or the | / president's office or, you know, something lik a ; that. #6.5 OK Linen #14 Very...ah...very high level. Behind this desk... ah...were tall, almost seem to be kind of doors like, but...ah...I'11 call them windows, OK, and with many narrow panes of glass; these aren't bars, these are windows (PAUSE) and in front of these windows were hung...ah...sheer curtains, see- through type that allow light through. It almost, for some reason they almost kind of remind me like doors, like they could open out...ah...and as I said there appeared to be some very sheer curtains and the light was coming through there...ah... So profusely it was difficult to see who or what was sitting at this chair because I was looking right into the light. Ah...and from my position, I was here in a high back, over stuffed chair staring straight ahead, not paying to much attention to what's going on over there; just staring straight ahead - like at the coffee table when I first got the imagery I may have been identifying with the subject and doing exactly what he was doing in focusing on this table and, as I said, I looked to Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800450001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : 0450001-5 the left, now there were...I didn't pay a whole lot attention...ah...to the walls over there but there was a large carpet on the floor...ah... colors or whatever I don't know, I had a feeling ehind me there may have been a cabinet or some- thing with books and stuff like that and there were...there was at least one large picture on this...this wall here...ah. #6.5 OK. That's pretty good (mumble)... #14 That's No. 1. No. 2, as I stepped out...outside of the room...ah...No. 2 I'1l make kind of a layout as...as to how I felt I was or where IT was or how. PAUSE OK...ah...1'm labeling the stuffed chair as subject and the desk...ah...1 was gonna say I'll put down person who belongs to the office but I'm not absolutely sure that this person actually belonged in this office or whatever. #6.5 OK . #14 Ah...I'21 just put down other individual. This individual was trying to come across very congenial...ah...but the subject didn't seem to be paying much attention to it, as if he was rather weary of the impression. Ah...as I stepped outside, ah...it would almost appear to be steps, now this...this is inside here somehow, but this is a large...ah...reception area I guess you would call it, rather empty except for decorative type | things, whatever, and immediately after...ah... stepping out of this...this doorway, and there may have been more space this , out here, ot sure, but there seem be a largé, a tall pedestal type thing and a vasé...ah...would be about chest high or whatever;/for some reasoy that...that came out. Now this 6 the main entpdnce, here. See, double doors ané they're not6olid glass through the old type coos with fhe...panes of glass and stuff, and,.in fact,—1. had_the feeling that there was-% double double set of doors;“tike there was another set here. Ah...this should be ind of ‘ like a breeze way On eed the feel some steps and “there was a... Ah 4d the feeling there was a 7 guard positioned here, OK, and then...ah...there —— Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800450001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/07-:.CIA-RDP96-00788R000800450001-5 #6.5 #14 #6.5 #14 #6.5 #14 #6.5 #14 might have been some sidewalk or something out here, and then, out here is the street; we'll even put a vehicle out here for whatever reason, and I had the feeling that there were two more guards out here on the street which were kind of like...acting kind of like doormen or whatever, and like I said, these were...these were uniformed type...ah...very spit and polish...ah. Sidewalk, I don't know what else to lable it, there's an area here that's some type of concrete or pavement or whatever. Any of these guys armed? Yea...well...yes...1...I had the...the...at least the two up here by the doorway..-ah...but I had the feeling that they were military type. Yea. I understood that when they camfacross pretty loud and clear, Ok. Ah...somewhere in here there may be some columns in front of the building to this entrance or whatever; I had the feeling of some type of columns but I couldn't...at first they looked huge and then all of a sudden they didn't-look so hugh; they looked like they might have been, you know, kind of like you'ld see on a porch or something - not very sure. OK, here. Ah...and what really threw me and...and when I tried to wipe everything out and start over again because immediately moving to this... outside this office area I saw this reception type area which reminded me so much of the session I did with...after one of the female subjects, OK, and then I went back in the room and the room layout almost reminded me of the identical type thing, but it...it was rearranged somehow. Was that the session we had in the glass. I had...I had...ah...something in a glass case. Well this was...it reminded me so much of this room but it was different. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800450001-5