Approved For reikaaeho Gy ty Fei ropss-007asr001900630001-s #66: I understand, we've dealt with the problem before, and we have very good quality equipment for that reason. SG1I | | I'm ready. #66: All right. SG1l | | I'm going to use the bed. I'll lie down and (mumble) I'd like ta be alone and I don't need the map, I will go over there and: make a contact. And with the contact with him then he will tell me certain things that of terrain and ask all the questions you want, please do not be-- #66: Okay, you'd like to be alone in the room. SG1I | | Yes, alone. #66: And I can talk to you through a little microphone or headphone. SG1l | | Or a headphone, I can wear them unless you have an intercom, whatever you will use is okay with me. Approved For Release 2003/09/1 RET e.oorsonoo 900630001-3
#66: Approved For reife foo pfreobeud-RoP9s-oo7asr001 900630001-3 That's fine. We're now moving into the other room. PAUSE MOVED TO OTHER ROOM TO PREPARE: eee ee eee wees eeeeeeeelt am Slightly outside of the city of Beirut. This means I'm in the outskirt, but not in the center of the city of Beirut. Where I am, the street is a flat street, it's not ah..climbing street, that means it's not a hill, the street is not a hill. It is flat. It is a narrow street and what appears to me is the people living there are lower than middle class people. Again by outskirt, I don't want you to think I'm miles away. From this street, it's...it is not from the street. But from the window, going in and I'm going up and if I was going to look out of the window, what appears to me and I have to say appears to me, I keep seeing either lower streets, .w.aee --.. it's like I'm on one street and there's a street lower than me where there are houses, if I may use like steps, at least at this area of the outskirt of Lebanon. ..... I see way out in the distance, it is apparent, I keep, water comes to my mind....at a far distance, by far distance I don't mean 100's of.miles that's what I'm saying. At Approved For neleakaobactaor ie F Topos-o07ssr001 900630001-3 24
SG1I SG1I Approved For Releaseypexoy/fX (o14-bP96-00788R001900630001-3 a distance there's water. I can not make it whether it's the ocean or a swimming pool or something, there is water. And there are trees......an......-An Arabic word which I don't know the definition as well as I know and maybe colloquial or sounding like this, even though I know Arabic, it doesn't make sense and there's some words that doesn't, SHAHALIEH, if I was to write it phonetic, SHAHALIEH, would be S HAL A Y, that is phonetically spelled, SHALAY, SHALA VY, SHALAY. .seeeeee It relates to the, something in regards to the area. ..........l'm going to go back into the nouse,|_| It is apparent that the dialogue with Nim... ec eee ene I have to add here that I have now found what the gut, the,....that voice that does not, or the, what it sounds, was gut, I can't even pronounce the word, harsh voice or not romantic sound. It is apparent to me ah....that how would I put it, ah....the voice I was hearing is a man, not from Lebanon or the area. The guttural Feeling or the guttural voice that I hear is giving me a connection that a country, ah.....hm....What I'm experiencing,| _|here is a man well dressed in one scene, oh, I'm sorry, well dressed in a uniform and I will come back to the uniform and then a man dressed as the person there. But he is not Arabic in speaking voice. And I have to say the connection Approved For Releasé-2063/ BF oE-g fi-RifP96-00788R001900630001-3 PP tar bs 25
SG1I Approved For Reifey tao Qsipfrgof-ci] -nvPs6-07eeR001 900630001-3 here. The only way that I can, the voice, from the guttural, it's not German. Trying to think of other gutteral voices. It's not, I have to put that this person, whatever connection he has here, I would have to put Russian and that is quite apparent with what I call the double vision, that means position and how he acts now and if he was in his regular environment, he would be wearing a uniform and looks to me quite Russian. Now these are not the people you have to deal with, because I don't know what he's doing there, and that's that gutteral feeling and I'm getting the, those cold chills again, extremely cold chills at this point. ....... »»-Do you know anything about Kilometers,| _| Yes. What would be, he's trying to say something, what would be, how many miles would 125 kilometers be? I just want to make sure I'm in contact here. »+eee-Okay, then I'm not getting him correctly then. seoeeesLet'sS, the number, how about 25 kilometers? 12 kilometers? eee e eee ee OKAY, cen n ccc eeceae ..I'm going to have to interpret what he's saying and I.,don't know from where, from what direction he was taken to the outskirts of Beirut, okay? I can tell you this, what he appears to him saying that it could not be more than 12 kilometers. You follow that? Kilometers, okay. Ah...... ...sPlease keep also in note, that 1 Approved For Release Se POBDOAD FE RioPs6- -00788R001900630001-3
Approved For ncleaabtazha bX al 900630001-3 through 5, he keeps repeating 1 through 5. He keeps repeating, 1, 2, 5. ..... It's not a number like 125, it's just says keep repeating 1, 2, 5. And he's very firm about. see eee sees -2.eAh..shifting again, ah, I keep seeing close by to this street or section, which is slightly outside Beirut, that he keeps repeating, a (mumble) of what I'm getting that he's not away from there, but, and the reason that he was moved or went there is because of the aspects, the middle of Beirut, and I'll try to come back to that. There's a lot of noise that I hear around this street and the noise is like if they were, it's not gun shots, nothing like that, as if they were doing repair or construction, or machinery. But I don't see them, I only hear the noise from the room where he is. seeeeeeeeeeese ANOther sound that he's heard once in a while and he says he feels that it's like a plane, but he's not sure. seeeesee Oh DOy, soeeesOkay. I was brought here...in something,..I was brought in a vehicle completely closed and therefore I have seen nothing, but I can only report to you the sounds of my surroundings. And some of them are extremely strong to my ear. seeeseel Can also hear people talking....outside when I am brought close, or close to a window. It is the only window which ah....which.I can recognize. It is apparent Approved For neleasetastbrohas PRE sPos-co7sero01 900630001-3 27
SG1I Approved For Release. so0a16ube -RDP96-00788R001900630001-3 that in the other room the windows have been blocked or covered, so I can not tell you what I am seeing behind me. eeeeeeeeeel tell you that I have three people with me 24 hours a day. weeeee THESE people change....at times there are five people. The reason that I know this is when I'm, want to go to the bathroom and at one confrontation, there were five people. »+e.eeAmong themselves the people are speaking Arabic, but I not they. are not people from the country. seeeeee My perception of the person at this point is that they have a dark skin. They are not a white skin. »+ee-When I say my perception, I mean] perception, off the person, in stuff like dungarees with gun. -»-e The persons, and he SayS persons who ask me a lot of questions, .boy..speak fluent English with out a trace of any accent. eeeeee They have certain information that it is apparent that someone gave them, which is of. crucial importance cece ene and they feel that I KNOW... seeeeeeD'm thirsty, they don't give me much to drink. They don't give me much to eat. I've gone days without eating. At times I can not even hold myself to walk. Several times a person has been brought in, ...I am not sure what his capacity is, he did not examine me as a medical doctor, but apparently gave evaluation or...because I do not Approved For Release’ 1 SABES. RDP96-00788R001900630001-3
SG1I Approved For reikeyfobighr Fefropss-c07eaR001900630001-3 understand what they are speaking, but it's only my, my sense that they were wondering how ill I was. cee eee wwe e ene He shifts again and he says.....go northeast. ce eeeeesveevese NLS Lis what I'm asking rim,| | He's giving me no answer. Ah...Ah....I'm getting chills here and I have to, I'm trying to grasp something. ....... I don't want to miss this point of information, I'm, I've got freezing elements, cold. Okay. | fare you aware where he SG1 was before he was at this point? ......... You know what he's trying to tell me and I'm not able to grasp it, but I'm hold to stick with it for a while. He's telling me the time which should be important to you, but I don't from where. You know how many minutes it took, you know the way he visualizes it, where, you know, where he is. eeveeaee OKay. covered | I SG1I must go back ask you questions about the kilometers. Are you with me? How long would it take through a city and I'll tell you why after, because to travel 12 kilometers,........ What did you say about 25 minutes? ....see. eee About 25 minutes from where ever the point is, but it's still just on the outskirts of Lebanon, but I'm trying to find what he's trying to tell me, where was he, you Know, was he picked up from his home or........ YOANN. . we wee e cece Okay. I'm Approved For 'SECRE -RDP96-00788R001900630001-3 an @
Approved For neledd bohot A Es Topse-oorssnoot 900630001-3 going to answer, not the question you just asked, but how long he feels it took, okay. And it's apparent that it didn't take him more than 25 minutes. At least to his time right now and I don't know what that means. He's trying to give me his position where he is now. Do you follow that? That's right in time so that you would, but I want to find out from where now he comes. see meee reneee I don't know what you know but what he tells me you seem to apparently say several, but to me it isn't, two place twice, he was moved twice. eee ee OKAY. coos okay..... Can you ask two a question that will help me. The two that returned, were they in the middle of the city of Beirut? Or do you Know? .Yeah, Yeah, well whatever way we want to look at it, yeah. And what did I tell you he told me to go what...go north, what was it that I told you, do you remember? You can,...All right. The other people were where? I'm trying to grasp something from him and I need some feedback. Where were the two redeemed from, where were they in the city? A little bit to the south of Beirut. See this is an area that I don't know. I'm trying to find out why he says north. | fam going to take a break here, I want to go back to the map, do you mind? And then SG1I I will come back. There's something that bothers me. Okay. Would you come in and detach me, please? Okay. I want to make some observations with you. The area and the construction that comes to my mind, you know, as I'm looking, now this is from, this is clairvoyant now at this point as we're talking, it's not where I'm, you know. Approved For Relegsy foofigofee ferafroPss-00788r001 900630001-3 Ze
SG1I SG1I SG1I #66: | | #66: | #66: _ Approved For netea > Ershov B toe lopos.oo7eero01 900630001-3 I understand. What came in could sound like voice means something when you repeat to me. How would I put it, on one side or a corner of where he is, but there's like a board, boards or fence or something but it's like it's boarded, it's not barb wire fence. This. is clairvoyant now, I'm not there I'm just giving you some clairvoyant information. An..and there's a flattening area. Now let me explain. Roads, when you said, I said cobblestone, residential and apparently this residential place and then I see something where construction is going, let's put it this way, and there's like boards, at least, apparently there would be danger for someone to fall or it has been boarded in. Is that in this building that he's in? No, this is outside this building now. Someplace else? No, no. I'm picking up some clairvoyant scene from outside the building where he is so it will give us a- description of where--_ Approved For Relefoy feofsp hg ferafR0Pss-00788R001 900630001-3 ‘ 31
#66: #66: #66; Approved For Relefey Fookigete Fein DP96-00788R001900630001-3 The general area. ---the general area, okay? oseeeee- Again, psychic impression, I don't know what you people have done or how or who's looking for him or whatever this is, I can tell this much, that...how would I put it, ...... I don't know who you have there and who would be in charge and I don't need to know. It's just that I'm saying is that somebody has gone by where he is, does that make sense? That's all I'm going to say. I wouldn't know whether they have or not, but it could be checked on. Let me see if we can't clarify that perception. And there had been a random passing by this area or is this an area that has been officially looked into in some way? I, it's a random, random meaning not thinking that he could be in this area. I don't know whether they have looked in the area, you know, but I see at least one person which, you know, I see this one person going by there and this person has something to do in Finding him or something that related to that. But simply discounted it. Approved For reer foader fecif-ropss-co7ssr001 900630001-3 32
Approved For reckap bone Felropss-o07e8R001900630001-3 SGi1Il | | Discounted, yes. #66: All right. That's a good piece of (mumble) SG1I | | And they ultimately discounted it psychically, I feel, because it was a lower area, living area. #66: Lower class? SG1I | | Lower class. They were not rich people and they were not middle class people, they were lower than that. I wouldn't say, I can't say they're poor either, that's not what I'm saying. Apparently the house is not, you know, what I can see of it, the walls, the rooms or whatever it is, it looks like somebody could rent that and you know, so that's another psychic impression of what I'm seeing. So it might give you some idea of the area. Any other questions you want? #66: Is the neighborhood itself noted for anything? SG1l | | Ask me that when I'm under again. What I'm going to do, I'm going to continue to (mumble) as you said, SG1I | bs to get as much information out of him. Approved For eeSCOUR E* P96-00788R001900630001-3 ho daar a
SG1I SG1I #66: #66: _ Approved For neifay zeke FRabcil-ropse-oo7eeR00 900630001-3 Okay. And then we will, we know the condition of his health, we know the other questions that you asked. Perhaps you can be a comfort to him, knowing that he is in a dire state and he's rather desperate. Try being a comfort to him, warm up to him and then go deeper, beyond. Act as an agent yourself in relaxing him. Okay. Okay. Whenever you're ready, Il will be. voce eeceveveveeeecelL'm back where he is, I'm back with Him NOW, wocccceacecevees . He is sitting on the floor. ........L'm sitting next to him. .....1I have a sense that he is aware that I am with him. I've asked him to relax. stevens weeeee Deep in his consciousness he has a great concern...that he will be moved again and he feels if this is done, it will be much harder ...ah.... his concern is that when he moves, not if, when he moves again, he will not be able to survive the ordeal. I've gone through so MUCH NOW. seeeeveveveeee ThE compass direction (end of tape) that I have given you that I'm still northwest, west, northwest, northeast,....directions that I've given you, as far as I can determine, you Approved For Releaseoqpbuo tp RE 96-00788R001900630001-3 34
SG1I Approved For rete foo (phe Kis hopse-oorssn001900650001- are in the right direction.  «...eeeeeees At this point, | I heard .the word, not from him, but I don't know from where, the word is EL KAFLA and I don't know how to spell it. EL KAFLA, if I were to spell it, I would say KAFLA, but I'm not sure. 2... My perception of this is all I can give you. I'm trying very hard, since I have not seen daylight, which I really don't know what it's like. I hear a lot of sounds. ..eeelt's very..rare...the voices I hear, I do not understand. ..+.-- There is now a disturbance or interruption by one of the guards. What I'm getting from the subconscious of the guard is the same which I'm getting from William Buckley, apparently they are waiting to move him again or to release him. He's unconscious from the guard. They're anticipating some kind of orders with an immediacy, that means very near or close by. They waiting for some immediacy, something immediate toa be some orders very shortly or whether they are going to stay, there or not. It is apparent to me, now AT is speaking, okay, from what I can gather, that if they are to move him, it will have to be within from today here, from Good Friday, before Sunday. And the reason behind this is the season of Christianity that they are in and it would be less observed than on a regular time or a regular day. Now, I say| _ out I Approved For aeieaak baer F credo. n07eenoo% 900630001-3 35 SG1I
SG1I oo Approved For Releaséadenkry fe ferifps6-007e8R001 900630001-3 seem to be picking up, that also in the consciousness of where I am. It doesn't make sense to me, but I'm just giving you what it goes, so. It's an Arabic word that I'm trying to, that I got from the guard, that is not clear and I'm trying to have him repeat it to me or at least think about it so that I can pick it Up. «eoveeee sew ce oee .The reason I'm silent and I go back is that the guard is thinking about something and I'm trying to...get into that consciousness and how do I say this, penetrate it, get into it and I'm getting syllables but they're not definitive enough so, just hold on and I'll keep going ON HELE. sweceveeeeecceeseee One of the words, it's apparent something is going to be taking place or already nas,| | The word, one of the words is MUSHALAH and if I remember my Arabic well, it means ah...you know, I hope it's done. So something has to be done here, but I'm trying to get the rest of the words, what is to be done, and that's where the hesitation iS. ..vrecrvee , elt is apparent to me from his subconscious, that they're waiting at this time, I don't know what time or what day this is, for some kind of change with William Buckley. That is what I'm picking up from the guard. This change means that decision has to be made whether he remains where he is or they are to take him to another place. The. Approved For ReleaseaniTasusn Fe Ezchos-covesroo' 900630001-3 36
Approved For sofa R EM corse 00788R001900630001-3 decision will be made if they have been able to received all he had, information they can. And how close he is to have, that he will be alive or not alive. And it is apparent to me from the subconscious of the guard, is that they can not allow him to die. That if they did and that is the whole thing about this, that they, in fact the information sent back to wherever the headquarters is, "Look, we can't hold on to this guy too long, if this goes on he will die. And if he does it means we are going to have problems." William Buckley senses this also. SGtl | |: have a sense that you have a question, you want to ask it? Are you asking me if there is an immediate headquarters within the elements of Lebanon -or are you asking from the head, head, headquarters? veeeeeeeAnd it's within Lebanon, within the city of Beirut? .....1t is in Beirut.....It is in Beirut, the people are distinguished people, they are not, at least the one I'm relating to right now, although they are, let me put it this way. There is someone dressed in normal civilian clothes which is directing this whole operation, even though there are soldiers, or what appears to me as soldiers, within the vicinity. Any other questions you would ike | SG1 wees No, in and around where this other person is, also. ...+..-eThis person, yes this man would be that al 8: RP 26-00788R007900630001-3 “3
SG1I SG1I SG1I sEGRED Approved For releack yfrahon Pde P96-00788R001900630001-3 person. I also have an insight from this nan] | SG1 that some messages are going to be sent to you people, very shortly in regards to his release and I just hope to God it's not his death. Because the conversation that I'm getting here is in regards to the release. Um, um............. He speaks Arabic and French and they speak other languages. He has been within Lebanon for a long time. He is, what appears to ne,| about 50 years old or maybe a little less, but not older. I can't imagine him be older. But age sometimes is very deceiving to me. Ah.....-l'm going to give you the message that comes to me, okay,] [the way it's read. Contacts will -be made soon, contacts will be made soon. It is apparent to me, at this time, that no one from this end can make the contact, the contact will be made From the other end. And for the reason, of the security of this person, who no one would ever in the world suspect, that he is helping, no, that he is betraying Lebanon. So the person is of a high official. Go ahead ask your question] | veces SGi1l cece cece eeeeeecel'm getting cold chills here and I want to know what that means, so be, hold on a second, let me see what comes in. .......I'm having cold chitis,| __|t'm going to have to ask you a question. I'm back to normal, not in the out of Approved For Release-apsi(9); F-Xf2-RpPos-00788R001900830001-3 38
Approved For Reteafeyfoas PR Fi Aopos-coveero01 900630001-3 state here. I am ata loss, because I don't know what they would bargain for. First of all, it's not money, two, I don't see, at least I'm being logical here, I don't see where we have information that this person needs, but I'm just sorting this out to you now and I don't need any response on it. The chills are here and the information apparently is going toa be decided of whether, they're afraid this person is going to die or not. And apparently a message would be sent where to be found or that in some way would be found or would be led to where the person is without involvement of. anything. Is that, that's what the impression I'm getting from that person, now. Do you understand that? .........../he answer is yes. And there's a cold chill here meaning, yes. But this man, you can trust him, boy, the cold chills again, what is it, | __Jeone out. .....l'm going SG1I to say something that will be very helpful for you. This person is known to our American Intelligence or government or so forth as a politician or a person in a special place in the Lebanese Government. ....-Before you ask that question, I have to, there are chills here and..... again, a chill. This person will probably show himself as, if it is a visible sign, all right, cause there are two things involved in the mind of the person, and I'm not trying to Approved For Release 29pside/] 4p RPP9E-00788R001900630001-3 39
SG1I Approved For Release podkigdy fe RDP96-00788R001900630001-3 FO Rhormees confuse you, but please ask the question. On one side they're trying to say to me, "All right, we'll just leave him there and we'll tell them where, send the information." okay. Or this person that I'm seeing, although is related to this whole kidnapping, which no one knows, will say, "Well, I can help you or I will go as an in between to release your person". Do you follow the two concepts that I'm getting? weeeeeel'm not able to comprehend your question] woud you repeat it again please? The answer is yes. Well, of his position in this whole aspect af Lebanon. It doesn't make sense to me but that's what I'm giving yOu. «seeeee ..-All right, it's done. He won't answer that one to me. Let me try to see if I can get into his subconscious. veeeeevcsevcesse BOY, he's a hard nut to crack, he's so strong. Would you record the word, NHAMAMAH, N, phonetically, NHAMA, MAH, NUSHMY. I may pronounce it wrong. It's true that I know Arabic,| | but SG1 I've been away from it so long, for so many years, but at least I'm familiar with the sound of the language, so I'll have to leave it as such for you. NHAMAMAH may have something to reiate,[ [with the SG1 person, you know, this person that I'm in contact with. I just want to make that known. Yes, yeah, — but I, psychically I have a feeling it has to do with Approved For Releasezho39/fo2 feA-P96-00788R001900630001-3 40
Approved For Release 2oosiogipo {Chabad pac -fo7ssR001900630001-3 him. .....No, go ahead and then if I need to come back, I will. ...... ...T0 me the answer is yes. At this point, as I stand now, the answer is yes. As l stand in the future, the answer is yes. Do you understand what I mean? I only dread one thing, okay, I only dread the sanity that will have left for William Buckley. Yeah. He was aware of that when I was sitting there with him and now I'm going to, I'm going to do something that I do,{ atm going to SG1 send energy, not just to William Buckley, but I'm going to send energy for the release of Mr. Buckley and to be found, in whatever shape we can find him in the best of health we can with what we know. That has worked very, very well with murder cases and so forth, so every time I'm at a stop, I do this. I do this now, the energy is sent that Mr. Buckley be found and be found very shortly, meaning aS soon as possible. I just want to reinstate that I do not see Mr. Buckley in the city of Beirut, but in the outskirt. The place is not a high class place. It is apparent to me that they chose that place as to where the others were released as to deviate or to misdirected in case they thought that this was the area, that you know, others would be. Why they've done this, I'm not sure. If you're asking me whether Mr. Buckley again to repeat will he be found, the oe ey eee Approved For Release:2003/09/ F0y bin-1DP96-00788R001 900630001-3
SG1I SG1I SG1I #663 #663 Approved For Reledset : Approved For Release 2003/09/10:: CMGRD 6-00788R001900630001-3 answer is yes. Will he be found alive, the answer is yes. I just want to say what Mr. Buckley is saying to me, to get to the construction. The noise that he hears is like construction noise. And one other thing that a plane from time to time would go over that area and implies that that is important, that he hears. He does not hear planes all day long. But what he says sounds like a plane, I have to say that, I'm sorry, I don't want to misinterpret what he is saying. He is also saying that he has been sending directions, but I also feel from my own presence to him, there's a lot of flaps of things within his own mind and I'll leave it as such. Anything else that I can af | Okay. Yeah. That light is pretty sudden isn't it? No, that's okay, something...what did I say, cause the word, okay. There's something, this is Friday, would it bé Saturday there now or would it be Friday? I don't know which way the calendar goes for them. Their Friday, being Muslim, their Friday's their holiday, I believe. There's a slight note that I remember about moving. RR Es Porsc-oo7sero01 900630001-3 42
SG1I SG1I SG1I #66: #66: #663 #663 Approved For Release 2003/09/40: bta-RDP96-00788R001900630001-3 What did I say in regards to moving him? You said that there was some consideration about whether they would move him, that's the guard was thinking moving him. But when we went to the man with civilian clothes, he was talking about making a decision in two ways, whether or not the information would just come out that go to this place and find Buckley, or he was going to volunteer to work as intermediary, but he is actually is the person in charge. That's not it, about timing. You said movement concerned maybe having to do with his illness. Say again, Bill. Something about timing. Timing is between now and Sunday. We've got to watch that closely and I'm getting the chills on that. Okay. Approved For Release 2003/09/10 s@IA-RDP96-00788R001900630001-3 43
Approved For Release 2093/0948 } cia RDP96-00788R001900630001-3 SG1I | | Apparently, it's a time, something to do with religion, something to do with year. At least-- #66: You said something about Christian religious holidays or moving during the Christian religious holidays or something. #663 Between Good Friday and Sunday. SG1I | | Yeah, let me, can we be in contact,] | in some SG1l way, I know it's very tricky, over phones and things like this. Because a lot of that information may come back to me or you may have-- #663 Further questions. SG1I | | ---Further questions. #66; We can make those arrangements. SG1l | | There is something that I have not fully grasp, and that has happened in the experiments with the police, also to know I can make a second comeback on that. It's too bad I have to leave tomorrow morning. Let's peu 4 6 “CIA:RDP96-00788R001900630001-3 ROMER! ‘ Approved For Release 2003/09 44
SG1I SG1I #663 | #66: | #66: Approved For Release} Approved For Release 3 gsidgiap $A p-ClaFROP 6- -00788R001900630001-3 talk about it as we go here. You see, there's always information that comes when as I'm driving and things like this, but I don't want to jeopardize the security. I understand, all you have to do is give us a call and we can get on an airplane or do one of many things. Yeah. Oh, you can give me a call also, if you have certain interest and just say when do you think you could be free, you know and nothing, I'll understand or some kind of code. Okay. I have to tell you something,| ——_|t'm still leery SG1 whether my phone has been tapped or not and for those reasons I have not been talking with | _ Jang SO SGi1l forth. The .reason behind this is that I have followed and really approached by quite a few number of people which are not American people. Okay, we can make arrangements and you can always go to a pay phone and we can make arrangements, communication arrangements, that's not a problem. terhete pros 00788R001900630001-3