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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION CCC-32
1.
(S)
This report documents
a remote viewing session conducted
in
compliance with
a request for information
on an area of interest.
2.
(S)
This session represents this viewer's second attempt at this
target.
He was able to attain his usual state
of relaxed concentration
during the session.
Ambient room noise was loud at the beginning
of
the session,
but the viewer was able
to overcome this disturbance later
in the session when the noise subsided.
The viewer stated that this
was
a difficult session for him in that he was challenged beyond his
usual sessions.
He expressed confidence
in his imagery.
3.
(S)
The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol
(S),
undated.
4.
(S)
Following
is
a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session.
At TAB A are drawings made by the viewer
reference his impressions of the target site.
At TAB
B is target cuing
information provided the viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION CCC-32
TIME
#28:
This will be
a remote viewing session for 0900 hours,
21 March 1980.
PAUSE
SG1A
Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and focus your
on
whose
picture
I have shown you.
Focus your attention
solely on him.
Focus,
focus on him.
PAUSE
SG1A
SG1A
PAUSE
Move your awareness to the period of time 1000
hours, Ami^jya^^M^^^Q^jours.
April
7th,
1980.
Focus on^^m^|^H|^|^^^^^^a^thattime.
Focus you^attenrjxj^so^F^o^^HHHBHflHIH
mggiOOO hours,
April
7th,
1980,
and describe
vour perception
to me.
#31:
0k.
SG1A
on
focusing solely on Tun^escriD^TX^primiar^concernT
PAUSE
#31:
A meeting.
. .uh.
. .feel
a
U shaped,
a U shape with...
I
don't know... more people.
. .sitting around
it.
I
feel
I am... I
am at
the regular place,
but now
there
are two tables,
and
a feeling of discipline
action
....a
board,
official board feeling.
When
you asked his concern,
I had the feeling
of discipline
of
a subordinate.
#28:
A^^ight.
Focusing solely
on
SG1A
solely
on him 1000 hours,
April 7th
1980,
focus only
on him describe his current actions.
SG1A
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#31:
#23:
#31:
#31:
#28:
#31:
#28:
#31:
#28:
#31:
Give me short time.
I
u/ill wait.
PAUSE
He is writing
on
a tablet.
. .right handed.
He
is
ripping
a page off
a small
tablet.
He's ripping it
off
and. giving
it
to
a man who stands before his
desk.
I
still have the feeling
of surrounding
people.
The man who stands before his desk is standing
in
the
U in front of him.
There are
2 men there;
one
taller than the other.
One man... the tall man
is
in
a suit.
. .uniform,
but the other man
is in
a brown
uniform.
It was as though he was writing an authorization,
not
a penalty.
It was as though he was writing
a check,
or a approval,
a receipt or such.
PAUSE
The meeting
still feel other people.
PAUSE
Let me focus again another minute or two and then...
I will wait.
PAUSE
I
am riding
in
a car and
I
see
a car going through
a link fence.
. .uh.
. .at the fence are men with white
striped hats and white gloves.
Feeling of a...
tree lined drive hung up to
a curve right to a
important place.
Explain time sequence of events.
I have
...my routine.
. .morning activities.
. .mundane.
.
I
am thinking thoughts such as the American's will
never
draw
do.wn so long as there exists
a. .uh. .threat
from the north.
I
just found myself in the back seat
of an automobile or moving
I
feel afternoon
or
early afternoon
or.
mid-morning after
a conference
meeting
or something.
I would like at this time
to rephrase one of my
questions.
Yes.
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#28:
I
asked you before about primary concern.
I would
like to probe deeper than the concern
of the moment.
More,
I would address the question to the concern
the overwhelming concern of his present position.
Not the concern of the precise moment.
So again
I
ask
r
you describe his primary concern.
PAUSE
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#31:
All right.
Desire
to maintain the momentum and
progress of everyone's support,
concerning the
reorganization and redevelopment which
I proposed.
It looks as though
I have achieved my end,
but
I
fear in letting my
guard down and
I
fear that
I
must continue the pressure momentum,
I must talk
to more people.
I must stay
in everybody's
lime-
light and make sure that they do not weaken or
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change or soften their support of me and my proposals.
I therefore,
am on
a schedule of talking to many people
again and again who have power and influence to remind
them that,
that all for change is not yet won.
That
the changes have not yet occurred.
. .although they are
desirable we must keep them in the front of our minds
and with our every act attempt
to forward and promote
the accomplishment
of the reorganization and the
changes necessary.
Main concern
is that
I
not weaken
in my
...I
not feel the gloat of success too soon and
relax my vigilance and
the,
and the promotion activities.
Therefore,
I
am spending much time in movement,
but
local movement
to go and talk
to people within
SGI A
who have power and agree
my allies.
The... I
got
a,
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I got
a thought.
Uh. ...... that
the,
that it's something else that was
the,
just
a quicl^^eling that the power of the...uh...
SGI A
I
got it as the^^^|that the feeling that the power
SG1A
of
the ^^^|has been crushed and therefore,
they were
of little account
in his activities.
. .uh.
. .that he was
working rather with others in other organizations,
which
were beginning to ascend
in importance
in.
. .politics.
QOIA
had this.
. .almost gloat
of satisfaction that
SG1A
the^^^Bwas of no longer much account.
It was
almost as though it was.
. .umm.
.
.
. I
' ve lost it now.
It was
a funny feeling.
It was as though well
I don't need
to talk
to them and there is no one there
that can be talked to anyway,
because now they've all
gone down the
tubes.
So,
I'm working with the people
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that have supplanted.
. .it was
a real negative thought.
It was like it serves those turkeys right and that's
just what they bargained for.
So now I'm dealing
with these other people.
Oh!
God.
That was difficult.
I don't know what good that
is.
#28
j
0k.
Well,
let's prepare
to draw.
#31:
Well,
I
couldn't get into his real bottom line,
but
I
felt that it had to do with
the changing power base
changing prestige
of the military.
But that was,
I
don't know if that was overlay from the earlier
session or not.
It was as though that of
the earlier
session was merely a cog
in this wheel
of change.. uh..
It seemed like what
I pulled out of the last session
was really just part of
it,
and
he was sort of content
that that had gone over... I want
to talk while I'm still
here.. uh.. he was content that his. ..the thing involving
the military had gone over pretty well,
and had been
pretty,
pretty well accepted,
and he didn't really see
any antagonism from people around him.
The hostile
...there was not much hostile reception that could not
be controlled,
and surreptitiously back doored,
and
done away with invalidated,
but that thing regarding
the military was just a... was
a cog in an overall
approach that had already been decided upon,
and had
been floored,
if you will,
and had been accepted by
these many people.
They profess to be his
allies,
and to think that was
a good idea,
but even though
they... this group of supporters
of his,
and himself
controlled
much power he did not trust,
he did not
want
to trust the power
of their bondship and their
agreement indefinitely without continual monitoring,
and discussing with them,
and reinforcement.
So
that's what he was doing.
He had... he was always
vigilant
and was always going and talking over with
his
professed
, allies . .his supporters.
. .the people
in these other organizations that agreed with him
in order that the ball not drop.
You know.
In order
that
it not slip,
and that problems arise he wanted
to keep things going and keep the... keep this thing.,
on everybody's front.
. .frontal
lobe.
Everybody
to be
concerned with
it very much.
So that nothing would
slip.
#28:
You speak of..uh..you speak
a great deal of.. in the
past tense,
and I'm wondering
if there
is some crunch
point
in the past tense that you talk about.
You talk
scorct
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#31 :
#28:
#31:
#28:
#31:
about the military support,
and you talk about that
in
the past tense as though some event took place in
the past tense.
Am
I interpreting
u/hat you said
correctly?
Yeah.
Yes.
It is as though. .. .this is where
I
have
the handicap of not knowing where,
what the correlation
is... I mean,
not trying,
not to put arbitrary correlation
between two sessions.
You
know.
But,
like
I
had the
feeling that the thing that he had proposed relative to
the military had been pretty widely accepted.
But,
that was part of another plan.
That
it also simultaneously
been proposed.
Not proposed publicly.
I had the
definite feeling it was proposed to
a small click of
powerful people.
And when was this done?
Let me rephrase
that.
Recently
in... it had been as though this had been
on
the burner... let me go back to my session where
I
was...
It was as though this had been proposed some week
or
10 days,
or
2 weeks earlier.
Ok.
Than
the point in time that you were addressing.
Yes.
And that
2 weeks,
3 weeks.
. .sometime in
a
recent past.
. .it was recent past.
It was not
a annual;
it wasn't on
a year;
it wasn't
a
2 year or
it wasn't
some grand 5-year plan.
This was something that had
been proposed within
2 or
3 weeks earlier and had now
been progressing along,
and even though he was meeting
little resistance,
and there was little political
resistance to
it from amongst other powerful dissidents..
Dissidents within the power structure.
. .he did not want
to let the forward momentum slip so he kept talking to
his allies.
He was concerned with keeping tab......
you know.
. .keeping in touch.
Keeping his plugs
in to
these other people that were with him,
you know,
that
were supporting this overall change.
But,
it was
something that had been recent,
and
I
had the feeling
to use words
in the earlier session such as
. .uh..run
this up the flag pole,
and see how it
goes.
You
know.
This type of
a.. well this is
it.
I
can't put
it off
any
longer.
We're going to see how this idea comes
across,
and my feeling was now that that idea was
successful,
and that it had gained approval as regards
to the military.
But,
that it really was only
a piece
of
a pie of change that was being pushed through by
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this guy.
Other than that,
I don't know.
I can't really describe those. ... .^feelings
much more.
But,
the thing on the^^^Jwas very
SG1A
spontaneous.
It was... I was sitting there trying
you
know,
just accepting
what thoughts were coming
into my head... just talking,
pretending
I was him,
you know,
riding
in the
back seat of his car.
And,
it was as though the^^l,
interpreting now.
SGI A
These aren't the words,
but interpreting.
. .as though
they've gotten what had been planned for them
and what they deserved and were no longer
of much
consequence
or threat
to this scheme.
Ok.
That's
it.
I've got to get some coffee.
#28:
Ok.
Then we'll draw what you have.
#31
Ok.
I'll run through this session just from start
to finish.
Uh.
. .my. .uh. .my starting imagery was a
feeling of
a. .uh. .T-shaped building.
That's too big
on the
T.
I'll just draw.... more like that,
ok.
More like this with trees around
it as though
it was
a line of trees.
. .ok.
. .nice trees,
everything.
Like
this.
I'll just do this real quick
'cause
I
know it's
.....all right. .. .ok. ... .1 had the feeling
I was in
a metropolitan area. ..metropolitan. .uh. .feeling of
walk,
street,
you
know,
intersection type of thing.
.
.
and that this was
a building.
Ok.
Metropolitan area.
It was a T-shaped,
2 to
3 story building,
ok.
That
was just first imagery,
all right.
I had the feeling
that
I was back in the guy's office,
but that the
office structure had changed.
Not the structure
so much,
but
the
layout.
It was
as
though here... I 'll do these also real quick... as though
moved
in from the sides were now several long conference
tables had been moved
in to make a
U shaped,
and there
were people sitting along the outside.
. .not alot of
people,
not a bunch,
but like
3 or 4 at each table...
just a little black spots are them,
and they had papers
out in front of them,
and our guy had
a writing tab
out in front of him,
ok.
Uh...I had the feeling that
these tables had,
at one
time,
been located along the
outer walls.
That's where they were kept most of the
time but that for purposes
of this type of activity
the tables were just moved
in from the side and layed
out
in
a horseshoe shape and everybody came in and did
'
their thing,
ok.
Ummm
..disciplinary action was
the
first feeling that
I had.
It was as though a courts
martial.
. .uh.
. .type of feeling. ..that was the first
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feeling that
I
had.
And,
I had a feeling
of
2 men
standing here
in front at one time... after
I had
been working on the imagery
for awhile,
and the
guy behind the big desk,
who
I think is our target,
beacon,
wrote something out on
a
tab of paper.
Not
a big tab.
Not
a big formal document or notebook,
but
a tab
of paper and ripped the top
off,
and
handed it up to this guy,
ok... where the arrow on
sketch
2 shows that he handed it to this guy on the
right.
Guy on the right of
the sketch was dressed more
formally,
but
a uniform type
of dress.
I had the
feeling he might have been
in class
A type uniform.
.
The guy
on the left was shorter,
and
I had the feeling
that he was like dressed in
fatigues or
a more
work uniform.
A work type uniform.
• .labor uniform.
Ok.
Just quick ones.
Uh... throughout this whole set of imagery here,
as
long as
I worked on it
I
always had the idea that this
conference was going on,
and that these men were here.
You
know.
. .throughout this first part of this session.
Well,
anyway,
I'll put it
in.
Here's
a window.
I
felt
I was back
in the same,
same. ... .like that. .
. .ok.
Here's general.. .. .ok.
. .now what.
You want anymore on
this?
#28:
Uh...no,
I
think the next perception you had as
I
asked you ok at that time what was his concern,
and
you said disciplinary concepts,
and what my specific
question... describe his current action,
and at that
time you told me about his activity,
which appeared to
be writing on tab or something.
#31:
Right.
Ok.
Still have that feeling of
a,
of
a raised
desk on each end type of
a thing.
Ok.
Uh... I was
like getting right behind him but
I
have to draw it
in perspective because
it wouldn't do any ...... .uh.
.
.
sitting at the desk like
this writing.
. .he' s actually
bigger than that... desk is out of proportion to the
sketch.
. .uh.
. .writing on
a tab right-handed.
Had the
feeling he was writing from right to
left,
too.
There's the other side of the desk... like that.
Ok.
And he whipped it off
and here were the
2 guys... were
standing here.
Here
in the foreground is one table,
and over here is the other table.
There would be men
sitting here on the left line.
Uh..real snappy dresser
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at attention.
You know.
With formality but familiarity.
As though this guy
works for the general,
and the little
guy
that had all the trouble did not work for the gen...
worked for the general but was way down
in the ranks
somewhere.
0k,
and here's the other feature.
The
other figure here like this... is shorter,
and he
reaches up and rips off
a small sheet of paper.
Now,
when
I had this feeling this small sheet of paper
was not as though,
you know,
the guy gets 40 lashes,
like
that.
It was as though.... ok
this is
what you need to get what it is you
need,
and
I'll
sign my name here
...it was like
a receipt almost,
ok.
He handed it to the
guy.
Like a receipt or
a check to get something.
With that,
he could
go and
get stuff... was the feeling.
All right.
It contradicts the earlier,
you know...
I
know it contradicts the earlier feeling of disciplinary
and court-martial,
but that was it... and,
man on left
a small. . .first
of
all,
writes from right to left,
hands
man
on left
a small piece of paper with which something
can be gotten.
0k.
The guy
on the left takes it and
that was the end of imagery.
The imag.
. .uh. .for them
was like they left or something,
because then,
I refocused
again,
and
I
just had the standard U-shape,
ok,
surrounded
by,
again,
a number of people,
ok.
That's
a flag or the
drapery.
The feeling. . .when
I was looking over his
shoulder... the feeling really ,. .it was
a interesting
feeling because
it was like he was writing
on
a receipt
book or something that is
a small piece of paper,
pad,
in pad form.
You
just rip them off . .but.
. .it was like
filling
in blanks.
It was almost
as though he was
writing a receipt or writing a check,
or something like
that,
ok,
or filling out
a pre- filling out a pre-printed
uh. .requisition form.
Something like that was the
feeling.
You know.
He just ripped it off the tab and
handed
it to the guy.
Uh.
. .You know and the feeling of serrations to rip
it
off with or feeling of... the rip
off,
automatic
rip
off type idea was right there.
It wasn't like he.
lifted up
a notebook and handed
it to him.
It wasn't
like
he lifted up
a full piece of paper that was
loose
and handed it to him.
All right.
So much for that.
Then,
I
guess
I drifted
in time.
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#28:
Yes,
the next things that you came up with were
quite spontaneous.
#31
Uh ... I had the feeling again,
that
I was sitting
on
his shoulder or something like that
or maybe inside
his head.
I was actually
trying to actually get
inside his head when
I was here.
0k.
#28:
Back
in the office?
#31:
When
I was back
in the office in sketch
3.
That's
where
I was trying
to figure out what he was doing
and what he was thinking about.
Uh...the next
thing.
I had
a little bit of
a blank
space
. ,uh. .when
I was thinking that
I was inside his
head,
ok,
and then suddenly
I had the feeling of
riding
in the back right-hand seat of
a large
car.
An official vehicle.
Just myself,
alone having
a
small... not
a briefcase,
but
a small container.
Like
you know one
of these flat plastic bags that you slide
a couple papers into.
An atta...not an attache case,
but
a... and not
a brief case,
but just
a little
carrying case,
ok.
And
just having that on the floor
next
to me leaning against my leg with nothing else.
You
know.
I didn't have any scattered papers about
or anything like
that.
I was just
ri... going some
place,
and the vue
look that
I had was through the
front
of the car.
The vehicle.
Through the front
windshield of the vehicle.
I had
a feeling of
a
sliding chain-link fence and
a small guard shack on
the
other side of
it,
ok.
You can see through
it.
That's
why
I'm not going to put anything in... well,
I'll put
in
a little bit to show that it's chain-linked.
This
is
a sliding gate.
It slides back.
Doesn't open up
this way.
It slides back and forth.
I had the feeling
that the guys that open the gate were standing right
next to
us.
Not like when you open up
a big chain-
link fence the guy has to walk in
a big semi-circle
and then he ends up far away from where he started.
This was the feeling that he
just walked backwards
sliding this gate,
and was really standing right
very close to the fence.
But,
everything had slid
together,
ok.
Sliding chain-link gate,
fence and
gate,
ok,
like
this.
And the
guy standing here
I
couldn't tell
if he was an American
or Oriental or what...uh...
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was wearing
p black helmet liner with
a white
stripe,
and he was wearing some sort of
a khaki
or tan colored uniform,
and
I
could' a sworn
it was
short sleeved.
Which seems unlikely
too,
but.....
and white gloves.
Like
a formal
guard.
You
know.
Formal MP type guard.
Ok.
I'll write that
out.
Black,
helmet,
liner,
white gloves,
khaki,
I
guess.
Khaki uniform.
I
didn't see any brass
(mumbling)
or anything like that on the arm.
Uh... khaki uniform
black helmet
liner.
. .liner with white stripe...
khaki uniform.
Stood at attention.
I
had the feeling
there was another one over here dressed the same way.
Ok,
ok.
Now,
behind this. ..I'll draw an aerial type
feeling... is the best way for me
to do
it.
Not,
no
stopping... a wave-through type of thing,
and this
was entering.
This wasn't exiting.
I
didn't have
the feeling it was exiting
-a- place.
I had the
feeling
it was entering a place.
A
chain-linked
SG1A
compound.
Vehicle with^^^^^^^iding
in back
right side,
ok.
I already have.
. .call that chain-link.
This
a guard shack.
Inside fence,
was the feeling.
Ok.
On sketch
I'll
do,
what
I
think to be
a more
of
an overlay,
I mean an overhead type
of
a view because
I was moving and
I was getting very,
you know,
alot
of.... just general impressions.
I
felt like
I was
moving,
anyway.
Now,
whether he was actually doing
this or whether he was thinking this,
I
don't
know.
You
know.
Anyhooo,
here we are.
Little
guard shack
chain-link fence,
ok.
The feeling
is... this is the
road... that there
is some sort
of asphalt strip
on
the right inside the gate on the right side.
Asphalt,
open strip that goes down and there is some sort of
a structure down here.
Let me do a bigger thing so
I
can put the whole thing together.
Here is a building.
This is asphalt park
or drive strip.
Here's the
other side of the fence.
I don't know what's on the
left side.
Guard shack there,
and this drive strip
goes this way,
and this way,
and it's all one
continuous thing,
ok.
But,
here
is
a feeling
of some
sort of
a winding road going up here,
and there are
trees all here.
Very nice.
Like palatial grounds.
You know.
That type of
a feeling,
and this goes
up
on
a hill.
Somewhat of
a little bit of
a hill,
and then up here is another structure.
Which
I
didn't... I
could only
see through the
trees.
I was
losing my,
losing,
by that time
I
was trying to
concentrate more
on what he was thinking about
J
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than where
he" was going
'cause
I
was trying to
...you were interested
in thoughts and concerns.
Then,
there's
a building on
a hill.
It's
a large
building.
Let me
go back here.
I think
I can probably
do something with this.
0k.
And. the whole view is covered by these trees.
You could just see
it
in between the trees is all
I was doing,
ok.
He went out.... the vehicle went
out this curvy road into the distance up the hill.
You know.
Alot of pretty,
pretty trees. They're
cluttered because of the trees
in the way.
You just
get
a picture of
a bloch of light,
concrete structure
of
a lar...of large proportions through
it.
All right.
There you
go.
Here's 4.
0k.
So
5.
Here's the large building,
up here.
Trees
in the way.
Some sort of
a little bi... larger than
the guard shack,
but it's small ancillary building
over on the right side,
and he went this way.
0k.
#31:
Where am
I now?
#28
:
Uh...at this point you began to talk about. .uh.. as you
perceived yourself going
.
.
. .through this gate and up
-this road in the car.
Then,
you began
to verbalize
about.. uh.. I
asked if
I
could rephrase my question,
and
go beyond concerns of the moment.
Because,
when
I
had asked you previously about what was his concern,
and you found him in some meeting,
and his concern was
about discipline
of . .something like that.
So
I wanted
to address my question beyond the immediate concern
of what he
was paying attention to.
More
of a total
concern.
What is his total situational concern,
and
you began to verbalize on that.
I really don't think
there's any other pictures that you can draw.
#31:
I didn't get anymore imagery.
Uh...when
I started
talking
I started getting fleeting
...just
on occasional,
I was con...iI
just sort
of tried to open up and just
start talking.
( You know.
Just start saying things.
Ummm...I
can't jeven
say that at that time... I don't
even know where! my focus was... at that time
I'd lost
him in
a vehicle.
I
just shifted to
. .uh..just
a
nothingness,
an:d
I
just started talking,
and
I
can
recall basically what
I was saying.
You know.
But,
I
lost all perspective
of movement and where he was and
anything else,
and
I
even lost perspective of him.
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know.
I'fejLt that
I was with him,
but
I
didn't know
whejre.
You
know.
I
just don't... I
don't
have any feeling for anything substant
to
in the
classic remote yiewing sense.
You
know.
Where you
get imagery
andj everything.
I
did have
a couple
fleeting shots
[that occasionally supported what it
was that
I was verbalizing.
What was coming to me
and what
I was saying.
Ummm
I
#28:
Well,
if you remember
I
asked you to focus,
not
on the
particular momept.
So,
since
I was asking you
to focus
on ideas and copcepts you may not have imagery associated
with what you're after.
#31:
One of the fauljs of forgetting your lighter
is you
end up chain-smpking.
I had
a feeling
of several
fleeting
images: that did support,
I
think,
what was
going through my mind.
was... I had
a thought of him
conducting
a casual conversation
in the back of the
same car,
as
an] example.
At another moment,
I had
a
thought of him,
or an image
of him sitting in back
of the same
car] with papers scattered all over his
lap.
Like he was working
on the road.
You
know.
Like he
was reading. .. .]he had stuff.
Uh...the one,
I think was
associated witp this idea of
very dignified,
gradual
pressuring and keeping his voice in and making sure
that the
people! that said they were with him are still
with him and
st]ill agreed with the idean,
and nobody
was letting their guard down.
I had the image
of
him,
like sittipg in the back of his car with that
same
little blpck notebook on the floor... not notebook,
but same
littlej black brief envelope,
and he was
sitting
in
a fashion... he was like leaning left across
the back seat
cjf the car,
slightly,
and had his legs
crossed and he was talking
to another individual
riding next to him.
And that was some supporting
imagery when
I was talking.
You know.
Like he was,
he was taking the opportunity
of the joint ride to
remind the guy and make sure the guy,
whoever
it was,
he was talking
to,
didn't let his guard down,
remind
him of importance of keeping vigilance. .uh. .against
opposition.
This type of thing.
#28:
Now,
that doesn't agree with what you said earlier
in that you said that you perceived yourself as being
alone
in the car.
#31:
Now,
I
know.
I
know.
This alone in the car was
moving
to the building
in sketches 4 and
5.
There
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Then,
like
I
said,
I
lost him,
lost
all idea of where he was,
and
I was just working
on
him,
his thoughts,
and everything,
and
I was having
an occasional flicker of imagery as
I was going through
the recitation or whatever
it
is.
That was one of them.
That little quick image was the feeling of him keeping
his gradual polite pressure up.
You know.
Not wanting
to let his guard down
just because he thought every-
thing was ok,
and everything had gone successfully
it was really too early to tell,
and he didn't want
to let his guard down;
and he didn't want his
associates to let their guard down either.
So he
kept gradually politicing with them you know.
Off
and on politicing.
Giving pep talks;
that type of
thing,
you know.
Uh ... the fleetincM;hought about the
SG1B ^ again,H came to me as^^^l that sort
of
cpiA
on<1A
caught me
a little off-guard,
and
I was concerned
about the quality
of
it.
Because it did come through
to me
in
a very... an acronymic
US acronym form..
It
sort
of distracted me
a little bit,
and
I,
I
said,
now,
you know,
is this real.
Is this a real thought?
Am
I fabricating something here?
Because,
it came
SGI A
through as
You wouldn't expect it to come
through.
YofrcT expect some other terminology to come
through.
Like the thought police,
or the secret
police,
or the intelligence community,
or the intelli-
gence people,
or the secret intelligence,
you
know.
And,
I
...sort of distracted me,
but
stayed there.
SG1A
So
I
just accepted
it,
but that distraction was enough
to start to bring me
out,
and that's when
I
started
losing that thought,
and that's when
I
sort of surfaced
trying to pursue this thought off into the
void.
You
know.
Couple more words,
maybe
a little more clearly
stated. .. .recollection,
maybe not more clearly stated,
but,
the feeling was that his involvement with
...
proposal concerning position that the military should
have and that the military organization would,
would
be..uh. .had been accepted sometime in the near past.,
with
narry
a ripple.
Very few ripples,
you know.
Not,
not much political turmoil or anything,
but that
that was still only part of a bigger plan that he had
also proposed to his croonies.
He was always going
around and politicing with them about.
He wanted to
make sure they maintained steadfast
on the overall
plan.
Even though
it looked like they were going to be
successful.
As indicated by this military part
of
the plan,
whatever that was.
And,
I had the feeling
that that was the thing
that had been proposed
10 days,
20 weeks
or something before that;
and it had looked like
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it hadn't caused any problem.
So everybody was saying
oh,
this is going to be a breeze.
Right.
But,
he was
concerned that he not fall into that trap of letting
his guard down.
The very significant thread throughout
this whole thing was political.
Strong,
classic
political back-stabbing,
in-fighting,
manipulations,
forming alliances,
and alliances crumbling, power blocks
within the whole structure
of tlw^^gand scheme.
That
was where the thought
that thejjjUhad been crushed
and set back on its
haunches,
and was no longer
a significant power block,
but still had to be watched
but was not powerful enough to muster the necessary,
political clout
to undermine this organizational thing.
The feeling.
. .they sort of got what they deserved. .ha,
ha,
..was the feeling.
You know.
It servgfciWem right.
Like he really was at vying odds with thef^H and was
sort of gloating at
the fact that his arch rival had
taken it in the shorts.
That type of feeling.
Concern,
and yet sort of... the nature
of the thought was,
well you know how you say,
well what about so-and-so,
ahh,
don't worry about him,
and you sort of put him on
a little,
put him on
a little shelf because he's not
really any problem,
but that way you can look up there
every once
and
a while,
and keep an eye on him.
But,
you don't have to worry about that thing in your day-
to-day
life.
You know.
Your day-to-day function.
But,
that was the feeling of that.
It was like,
well they're
up on the shelf now,
they got what they deserved.
We
don't have to worry about them in this thing,
but we
still have to keep
a little bit of an eye on
'em so
I'll
put them up there
on a shelf
in my mind and we
' 11 just
keep an
eye on
'em.
#28:
Is there anything else that you would like to add?
#31:
The difficulty. .. .the thing which comes after me in
this session is that the guy has his routine,
his
mundane functions.
I think
I
used the word mundane
when
I was thinking about what he was thinking about.
I had the feeling he wears
a uniform.
He does have like,
command prerogative.
He does have command responsibilities.
He does have
a bunch weenies he's got to worry about.
But,
he's really being torn between the two houses.
You
know.
He doesn't really
look at his purpose
in life
as being
a commander of troops
in a... a warrior... so
much as he's looking at himself as being a warrior
turned political who now is involved in this political
scheming. .. .which is really more attractive to him.. ...
I
think. .. .more fascinating
to him.
But,
he's still
got to keep the face
up
in his military organization.
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on his head,
and his thoughts trying to open
myself up to those thoughts,
then
I really became
facinated with the challenge,
and then
I think
I
just
continually
improved.
The quality of what
I was feeling was
....I knew
I was continually improving and though my
slipping into facination,
if you will... so my focus was
increasing all the way through the.
. .progressively
all the way through the session.
You
know.
To include
even the thoughts and my interpretation
of his thoughts
and concerns.
I know there's not too much substance
to there.
I couldn't get anything substantive.
Like
it will be neat to get
a label
or
a name or organizations
or actual entities and structures that were concerning him.
It would be neat to find out what this whole thing
is
all about,
but
I
just couldn't
get that deeply technical.
I was mostly tuning in on the fleeting thoughts.
You
know.
He's not actively thinking about the organization.
He's
thinking about all these tertiary y
(phonetic)
things
pertaining
to
it.
I think
I picked those up well.
And,
Wnen again,
like
I
said earlier the thought about the
sort
of puzzled me.
I was worried about quality.
So when
I
dropped back,..:... I
lost my focus,
because
I
was trying
to make sure the quality
of that impression.
So
I think earlier part of the session there was some
noise bothering me,
I had some difficulty focusing.
But,
the more challenging the session became to me,
the
more
I got into
it.
So,
I think the quality improved
all the way through the session until the
last.
#28:
0k.
#31:
0k,
One other... one other note.... I was talking about
how he's being torn between military and political
and he still has military functions.
. .as some sort of
a commander.
The important thing that
I got is that
he's restricted.
He doesn't have field responsibility.
He's in... I had the distinct impression that his whole
life now was evolving around^^^^
Around the main
SGI A
capital area,
and that he did^^Tiave a field command.
But all his activities.
. .his comings and goings were
between key people and political people.
All within...
all within the main capital region inside the city.
Maybe
a trip
out to the summer cottage in the country,
but,
again,
all associated and all affiliated with the
capital region as opposed to..uh..you
know,
having
to
to take
a drive out to visit the division headquarters
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And,
so thence he feels sort of burdened.
You know.
Like. ..shit,
I
got another staff meeting this morning.
Well,
I
got to get these guys in here,
give them
something
to do so that they don't bother me.
You
know.
We'll talk about.
Oh,
and so-and-so wrecked
the car,
ok,
well drag his butt
in here too,
and we'll
fine him or we'll do this to him,
and
I guess it is
SG1A
my
job because:^ 'm
I have to do
it.
You know.
But,
he's not really interested
in that prospect of
his... those perspectives of his life in existence
right
now.
So much as he
is being torn away from that,
towards this political. .. .this greater thing,
you
know.
And,
yet,
on top of it
I have the feeling that he is
still
a very military person,
you know.
He still
expects and demands respect and he still pays attention
to duty and he knows what his duty
is,
and he performs
his duty. ,uh. ..but,
he's like
in
a transition.
He
...the political duties of his are drawing him slowly
away from his military duties.
And what else.
#28:
How do you feel about the session itself,
about your
perceptions,
and confidence you may have
in your
perceptions?
#31
Uh...I was sort of searching a little bit at the
beginning
of the session,
you
know,
.. .uh. .because of
noise and distractions.
I was just having
a little
bit of trouble concentrating.
Uh...once
I acquired
the imagery
of the
T-building.
. .1 was having
a little
trouble,
you know,
because ... the purpose of the session
was not for me
to describe terrain features,
stuff
like that,
you know.
I was supposed to do something
much more abstract.
Once
I got a little bit of imagery
to hold on
to,
I
got into the guy's office,
and
I got
behind him,
and
I started working on his head,
that
attracted my concentration,
and
I became facinated by
it.
So,
the T-shaped buillding is just some acquisition
imagery,
or some such thing.
I feel good about the
conference.
I
feel good about the... it was like
a series
of progressively more challenging
exercises you put me
through,
right.
So,
I felt good about finding the guy
again,
of course.
I
felt good about the general conference
scenario.
Even though
it did sort of set me off.
'Cause
the room had changed.
And,
when
I
started working on the
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in bivouac or...
ok,
that was the only thing
I wanted
to mention.
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