Approved For Release 2 IA-RDP96-00788R000900960001 -8 #10.5: Yeah. No. No. Let me stay like this. PAUSE #10.5: When I said the wedge, that's one. #28: Wedge, okay. #10.5: A line. PAUSE #10.5: And I felt that that was just sidewalk. #28: Okay, you want to do a sidewalk. PAUSE #10.5: And I felt that it was. . . .It wasn't dark, like brick; it was light like sandstone reflecting the morning light. #28: The surface of the building? #10.5: Right. PAUSE #10.5: This being the wall. This wall, to the right. You told me to look to the right or go down the side of it. And, as I went down... . and that's when I saw this overhang. This overhang, as though, I was looking down the side of this thing. The perspective is wrong, but . As a matter of fact, its farther away in the distance. PAUSE #10.5: Imagine just this wedge. No, I've got the per- spective right because I was close to the building. I was in, like on the sidewalk. So actually the perspective of that street is right down like that. If it is a street, in fact. But the perspective's right. In here, is where this . Approved For Release 2000gnFFeNeTERDP96-00788R000900960001-8
Approved For Release 20007 sf (F ' IA-RDP96-00788R000900960001-8 (Knock on the door - #28: We are still drawing, so give us a few minutes. ) (#20.5: All right.) PAUSE #10.5: It was like a... . I'm having difficulty with the perspectives. (Pause) That's the overhang. Something like that. #28: But it was down? Down and away from . #10.5: Down. #10.5: And that's the sides. Now the street and the sidewalks go like this. Or whatever they are, you know. The angle of the building goes farther down. Forget this line. This is like an overhang. #28: Okay. #10.5: And the dark was in there. #28: Dark under the overhang. #10.5: Right. #28: Or dark back in this way? #10.5: Back in there. It was not so dark out here. When you told me to look that way, left and that way right. Its light out here. #28: Okay. #10.5; But, behind me was where the dark was. #28: Okay. And then you told me it was dark and then light down at the end. #10.5: Right. I had the feeling that it, .. . of this #28: When you looked back 8 -RDP96-00788R000900960001-8
Approved For Release 1 ie #10. #28: #10. #28: #10. #28: #10, #28: #10. #28: #10. #28: #10. #10. Approved For Release 2 IA-RDP96-00788R000900960001 -8 Right. When you had me turn around. Okay. Okay. PAUSE Then you told me to go to the other end. The other end was nothing. The other end, when I turned around and looked back in, . You went down to this light? Right, it was identical. It was the same thing when I got to the other end. Okay. But the difference was, there was no overhang. It was like the end of something. But it wasn't the same as the other end of the dark. Okay. But when you turned and looked back? It looked identical to the original . . . So this would have been from the overhang end. Okay. And a repeat of that, would be from the no-overhang end. When you went down to the light area and turned around and looked back . Looking back. PAUSE Was just this. But, this, was building wall ... . or, right, in other words, I was looking from outside in the sun- light, I was looking at reflective sunlight, but I was looking down to see a pin, a small dot of light at the end of it. RDP96-00788R000900960001-8
Approved For Release #28: #10.5: #28: #10.5: #28: #10.5: #28: #10.5: #28: #105: #28: Okay. Okay, like a tunnel. Well, okay, I'11 call that. . (sigh). . . (pause). When you told me to go over to the other side, I first started to go up top. Instead of going down the tunnel. I told you it was high. But I have no idea. Its not extremely high, but its high. You told me the top was dark. And I told you the top was dark as though I was merely looking at a rectangular. .. . (pause). Looking down. I tried to see if there was any- thing detail. There was something on top, but I don't know what it was. I wanted to think; but I don't know if it was imagination that there was a box on top. Okay. How about putting a number down. This will be number five. This is a picture of the top of it. Right, here is. Looking at the top of it, here is the overhang. This is number one corner. That's where you first saw it? That's where I first saw this wedge, okay. On top of . . . . (pause). . . I don't know. I wanted to say its a box. PAUSE Okay? This is stupid. . . . That's on the street side. I had the impression. I had the impression this thing was on the street; and that .. . (pause). . . I'll put it in anyway. And that, ah, see here would be a... . . Sidewalk, right. Here was a car -- something dark. Good. that's a good description. Dark object. -RDP96-00788R000900960001-8
Approved For Release 20 #10.5: #28; #10.5: #10.5: #28: #10.5: #28: #10.5: #28: #10.5: #28: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 DP96-00788R000900960001-8 But this building. I have the feeling that this building was longer than this thing looks; from the top. I had the feeling that this wall -- lI had the feeling that what I was like was just like on an average ordinary street corner. And, whereas this overhang was in the building I was looking at it really stretched way far down. But I was con- cerned with this overhang and this end of the build- ing. And, at first, I thought it was like a theater house but I just tried to stay with the dark/light colorings. Yes, that's good. But it was one long continuous thing at the corner of which I happen to be. So, technically, the same structure, I think, see now I don't know where this perspective is. Technically, this building continues. You know, its like a long block. But out here is open. Open light. PAUSE But, .. . . (pause). Let's take a quick look back through these pictures again. Okay, just kind of talk to me, say number one this, number two, etc. You want me to, what? I want you to go through again, to see if there's anything you missed, or : Okay. Number one. (pause) Just briefly. No because I was contem-- No, that was my description. It was a wedge. When I told you to start with this corner building; you told me what it is, tell me what it looks like. And I said it looks like a wedge. That's fine. That's fine. And that's all I had and you told me to move and I looked down. I had a very hard time. I looked down and there was this overhang. Okay. 4p 00788R000900960001-8
Approved For Release 2008 ‘ . 4-RDP96-00788R000900960001-8 #10.5: Right or whatever. Okay. And this is the overhang shot at the end. And this is the one that I can (pause). . . I would like to say at the front facing of the overhang is curved as opposed to coming out straight and going in. I'd like to say that its sort of curved around. With windows in it. But then I don't know if that's just static from my first impression of what a theater arcade would look like, you know cause it has windows around it. #28: Okay. #10.5: But, when I was standing, you know, not looking sideways, that's all I saw. #28 : Okay. (Pause) What's this? #10.5: From no overhang end looking back. #28: Yeah, I told you to go down where it was light, turn around and look back this way. #10.5: Right. #28: You said it looks the same. #10.5: Um hm. But this is light. I want to say its light again. #28: Okay. #28. And this is the top. PAUSE #10.5: (not audible) back here. #28: Okay. #10.5: That's it. #28: Okay. Good. You got your clothes on. You feel like you've talked your way out of this. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000900960001-8
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