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#31:
I seem to have been above
it,
and back from it,
looking at
it at an angle.
I'm having
a little trouble with distance
and magnitude so far.
Let
me relax for
a second and try some
more
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Oops...
I'm standing on something that
is,
uh... sleekly
sloping metal...
Like
I
am. .and
it slopes down,
like I'm on
the nose
of an aircraft
or some metallic body.
I had the
feeling
I was about 10 feet off the ground.
There was this
gentle slope with my feet.. and that
the,
uh,
what
I was stand-
ing on was reflective and gently curved,
like
a fuselage would
be,
or
a.. or
a,
uh,
like a submarine body would be.
But
I
felt like
I was above the ground.
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#13:
At this time look around you and describe
the surrounding
features
#31:
My feeling is that,
uh,
to my right I'm sort of angled at about
two.. two o'clock on this,
uh,
metal thing.
Maybe it's
a pipe-
line or something,
I don't know.
It's round and metal.
To my
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right... let me
look.
#13:
Take your time
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#31:
There appears to be a. ..sort
of. ....open brown bumpiness,
like
a,
uh..
To the right is like a cleared,
uh,
unfinished earth
and,
uh,
bumps.
Like
you would see around a construction site.
And
a feeling that far away like 100 yards to the horizon
is
a... a tree line,
something way over there,
something that you
would expect around
a big,
open cleared area.
Urn.......
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#31
#13
And to your left?
Okay.......
My, uh
Continue.
#31
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I wanna make sure of the purity of my feeling that
I am.. along-
side this,
uh,
something
is bigger
to my rear and left,
looming
feeling,
a looming feeling.
And that
I
am.. right
up near it...
Like I'm right outside a large structure that looms up over my
left shoulder...
And,
uh,
this thing that
I'm getting this
feeling
on that I'm on is some sort of a.. pipeline that slopes
down into the ground,
and maybe four or five feet
in diameter.
It just happened this
is sloped down into the ground and dis-
appear
in front of this largeness.
And it's something asso-
ciated to this largeness.
It goes down
in the ground...
Then that is a... I have to be careful of the purity as though
I'm to the right and front
of a overhang area.
Looking
to my
left at about 10:30 at about 50 yards
is,
uh,
50 feet.. is
a,
uh,
square blockish overhand off the front of this structure
that
is beginning to make me feel like
the very
large structure
that
I worked about
a week ago.
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#13:
Move now,
looking
in the same direction,
about 11:00 to your
left,
move now about one and
a hdlf kilometers and describe
your impressions.....
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#31:
I'm getting some sort of
a,
uh,
curved semi-circular pattern
that has a...
Inside the semi-circle are little semi-circles
as though the.. .as though
they would be where someone put
their fingers
in
a.. a grip type situation.
But the feeling was
that this was
a pattern on the ground,
a horizontal pattern
with some sort of cqncrete feeling to it.
Urn. ... .quite
out
of nowhere
the curviness became just now a quonset-type hangar
structure,
forward face of
it.
The feeling that
I'm standing
in
a large,
or not
large,
but
an expansive cement,
flat,
re-
flective concreteness.
And this curved thing took on
a three
dimensional feeling of.. a hanger shape,
curved
roof,
hangar,
loaf.
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#13:
Stand
on top
of the structure.
Stand on
top of the structure
and describe the surrounding area to me.
#31:
I
got
a,
uh,
in the direction that
is,
uh,
looking down
the
main line of the building,
I wnet up on top
of it.
And there's
this feeling
of large verticalness again at 10:00,
like
I was
reminded
of a large radio tower or
a,
uh,
the thing at King's
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Dominion.
Large vertical steel girdering thing that seems
to
be maybe
a.. I seem now to be
in an area of more complexity
because
in between me and
it,
which
is about
a,
maybe
a half
a
k,
away
is
a,
I'm feeling the bumps and the angles
of inter-
mediate roofs of other structures that feel like,
uh,
has the
atmosphere
of an installation,
a base.
Uh,
a well-kept mili-
tary place,
as opposed to
a village or a city.
Uh,
I'm re-
minded of
a,
uh,
quiet,
uh. .non-mainline airfield,
airbase.
Like. .
#13:
What are the experiences,
#31,
that make you feel this
is
a
military base
or
a non-mainland-
#31:
I don't know.
The,
uh,
atmosphere,
the smell,
the feeling
is
reminiscent
of
a place
like that.
Places that
I've been remind
me
of this,
or this reminds me
of them.
And the important thing
is
the feeling of non-mainline,
more
a back,
uh,
transport base
or something like that that
is not a.. ..not
a heavy activity
base.
It seems too manicured,
well-cut and quiet.
It's very
quiet...
Anyway,
that's the atmosphere of it.
#13:
Let me understand further here.
Are you saying this is like
an airbase or
it
is an airbase?
#31:
It is like an airbase.
It may even have
a,
uh,
small pad,
small
field.
But when
I say it's non-mainline
I am not saying it's
a fighter base
or a sack base.
I'm saying it's like Orlando
Air Force Base.
They mess around with something else and just
happen to have an airfield there.
But they're not plane people.
They don't fly planes for
a living so much as they use planes
to do what they really
do.
I don't know,
it's sort of a funny
feeling.
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#31:
#13:
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#13:
#31
#13
#31
#13:
Move now to a view at which you can take in
the entire air
base,
the entire area....
At this view,
recall for later use
what you see and number of buildings and their relative
loca-
tion to each other....
A minute ago you said there was possi-
bly
a runway there.
From this overhead view can you see any
structures?
Yeah.
That would describe
a runway?
That was
a., once
I went up to 10,000 feet,
directly to my
rear,
what woulda been
my rear
on
the ground, was
a,
uh..a,
uh...is
a,
uh,
off-sided
"X", with a.. much more stem on the top two
than
on the bottom two.
Describe the
level
of activity
. here for me........
I have a.... some reason the aircraft,
when
I went back down
to
the airfield,
back down to the airstrip to stand in the middle
of
it,
first image
I had was some sort
of
a tactical fighter
aircraft taking off.
But the feeling was that it was
a Lone
aircraft.
Something that had very swooping wings,
like
a bird
of prey has.
And,
uh...and the feeling was that this was still
a rarity,
even though there was attack aircraft at the place,
and that that was maybe there for some other reason and.. I don't
know.
Like
a layover
or
a.. some fluke.
A meter reading
is,
uh,‘
slightly above
low.
Activity not quite medium,
not anywhere near
medium activity.
Feeling
of a... really odd feeling that maybe
they get
one cub
a week.
One cub type aircraft
a week.
And,
uh,
I sorta can see this feeling over on the.. far away from me,
that
it's
like
a transport,
a cub that brings
in stuff,
and takes
out stuff.
But it's way over on the distance,
way up near the
buildings. . .
Move now to the cone shaped funnel that you described to me
earlier.
When you are there. .describe your impressions
of the
importance
of this
area.
PAUSE
I'm having trouble describing
it,
other than...
What
is
the level of activity
in this area?
Other than
the thing that
is,
looks like it's
a cap on top
of
a large mass
of tank structure.
Like it's
a,
uh,
shield.,
ceiling shield,
roof shield.
But it's separate,
it's
as though
it
is not actually part
of the large thing that
it shields from
above.
And the rest of the feeling
in this area
is
the
one
of vanes,
skinny partition walls
for. .obscuring sight possibly,
which are free standing.
I'll work
on activity now.
Take your time.
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#31:
I see people,
appears to be things,
some things which are
associated with possibly construction because
I,. I'm getting
this feeling
of people
on
ladders,
which are pushed up against
these walls
or vanes.
This
is the place where
I had the feel-
ing of the cleared earth before.
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#13:
Continue....
Describe the dress
of these people
#31:
There appears to be quite some activity
in the area.
Basically
a,
uh,
appears to be
a routine- not
a routine,
a regular con-
struction
or maintenence
level,
I
think it's more construction.
And,
uh,
about the middle construction phase.
God knows what
they're building,
but the feeling
is that there
are,
uh,
an
average unhurried number
of people here doing what it is they're
doing,
and not
a crash project with many,
many people getting
in each others way.
The dress
is
of
a feeling
of
a tan coverall,
earthen tan cover-
all feeling,
but
it does not look as though it's
a carpentry
coverall,
not
a masonry coverall,
and it does not feel like
there's nails and jingling and banking going
on.
Nor does
it
feel that there
is painting
or slopping of mortar or masonry
going
on.
It's almost as though the erection
or fabrication
or
construction
is being done,
can be accomplished only with like
a stamping things into place,
like
a pre-fab situation
in which
there's not much real down to earth muddy labor.
Let me
look
around and see if there's anything else
on that...
I
keep
seeing this
one guy on the ladder,
it's like he's building this
wall by.. lifting up this real thin and light material and put-
ting it lengthwise
on
its side.. on its edge above another piece,
edge to edge so that... like putting up this vertical plane,
piece by piece.
Uh... still get the feeling this
is all going
on outside, which
I
can't understand,
but. .usually outside stuff
would be much more substantive and heavy than this light inner
workings, pre-fabrication feeling.
I'm not getting much
of any
other type of clothing other than
a coverall,
laborer,
protective
type clothing feeling.
#13:
Okay-
#31:
Maybe
a cap here
or there
or.. a cap
like
a painter would wear,
an unvisored head cap,
uh,
skull cap.
And that’s about
it.
#13:
Are they military
or civilians?
#31:
I'm getting
a,
uh,
heavy
mix
of civilian...
I
lean toward the
civilian side and the
labor side anyway.
The labor or technician
side
is civilian.
#13:
Move to an altitude where you can see this particular area
rather welli
And describe the number
of buildings
in the area....
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#31:
I
only get the feeling of maybe four.
Seems
to be
one as
I
v/ent
up,
there seemed to be one which was taller than other..
Sort
of in
the back.
But there seemed to be
three of four
others that were
lower... sort
of
a round,
and they were in
a circular area.
Or the area around them appeared to be
like
in
a circle.
That's about all
I'm gonna
be able
to do #13.
#13:
Okay.
At this time
then
I will give you the opportunity
to
relax
a little bit and collect your thoughts,
urn,
and add
anything that you would like to add further about the area.
It's function,
purpose, whatever.....
Is there anything else
you'd like to add?
#31:
No.
#13:
All right.
Then
I guess we'll stretch and move around and fart
and groan and prepare to draw.
All right, we're back
on tape and,
uh, #31 's now going
to,
urn,
narrate his sketches
and do
a debrief here.
Okay,
so.
#31:
Okay,
sketch one
is the vanes
or like partitions,
pre-fabricated
partitions,
spelled v-a-n-e-s.
Urn,
sort of randomly scattered
in vertical positions around a bunch
of open cleared earth,
like,
as
I mentioned they were like they were being put up for
screens,
maybe to obscure the view or something.
A very random
pattern and not much data
in sketch one.
Sketch two shows one
of the workers erecting
the vane,
showing
that,
you
know,
he can
lift up these pre-fab sections. .and put
in there
Uh,
three
is the view that
I had when
I was standing
on
the
shiny metal sloping tube,
as
I described
it.
Uh,
it was
a.,
like it's the tube,
this big tube just sloped down into the
ground.
#13:
You used the term cone shaped funnel.
#31:
Okay,
this
is the upside-down funnel.
That's here
in sketch
three.
Uh,
that's the part,
the funnel is the part
I
saw the
first time through,
and then when
I came back at the end of
the session then
I realized that
it was
a,
some
sort of
a shield-
ing rain cover on top
of
a, uh..tank. . .storage tank,
I'll call
it.
Okay,
storage tank
is inside this thing.
#13:
Yeah.
Did you have
a feel at all
for the type of material
that it was constructed
of?
#31:
It was white,
and
I
just,
I
don't know,
I'd have to make
a
presumption if
I was going
to say
that,
I'd have to say that
it was.. you know what
I
mean.
#13:
Right
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#31:
Something
I forgot to add here.
In sketch three while
I
was... in sketch three to my left
I started feeling like there
was
this overhang item,
like some sort of
a building structure
front,
and
I started to get some overlay from a preceding
session,
about
a large structure.
This
is the large looming.,
structure.
#13:
And this structure gave you the feeling of building or no?
#31:
Yeah,
building.
Yeah,
a large thing,
like multi-stories,
like
ten stories type thing.
Looming over my shoulder.
And
I sorta
had to discard that because the session
I did last week was
involved in
a very large,
tall structure and
I sort of figured
that would be dabbling
in overlay,
so
I sort
of just mentioned
it and then
left,
left it out.
Three
is taken as though
I'm
standing
on the tube,
the big sheet metal tube.
And the vane,
sketch one and sketch two
is to the right.
Okay?
Off of
sketch three here, it's in the right direction.
And again,
there's trees... two vanes and dirt and earthen area.
Okay.
That's three.
Now four
is the overview at the very end of the session,
when
you had me
go up and count the number of buildings and every-
thing and look around.
I had the feeling of
a large radio
type tower and a large building in the back.
And then some
four
or five,
total, what'd
I
say?
Total,
I said four or
five.
Uh, buildings around in somewhat
of a regular pattern around
the radio tower and the large building next to
it.
Uh,
and
then this whole thing
is surrounded by
a circular pattern
of
I
don't know what.
If it's just cleared ground,
or.. or if it's
some sort of circular thing integral to that part.
I don't
know.
You wanna say somethin'?
#13:
Yeah.
Is- are you saying that this big structure here
in draw-
ing four
is possibly the same as this structure
in drawing
three?
#31:
I'd say possibly,
but
I don't know that it
is.
#13:
Okay.
#31:
I
said,
you
know,
possibly,
but the,
uh,
I- the one
in structure
three,
or one
in sketch three,
I sorta considered at the time
that it was overlay.
So
I really didn't pay
too much discreet
attention
to
it.
But the
one
in sketch four was observed as
I
was exiting the area.
When
I went up
to about 10,000 feet
I
did see that there was something large
in
the back.
Radio
tower,
four
or five regularly shaped- like these buildings,
small buildings are maybe two story buildings.
And the big
building: is maybe a four or five story building.
Let me write
that in...
And these are two,
one to two story buildings.
Okay?
#13:
Right.
And this,
as far as activity level in this area here-
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#31:
Uh,
the activity question that you gave me
I
think pertained
to
vi/hen
I
u/as down mucking around the vanes
or the walls or
whatever the hell
these things were.
I don't know.
That's
a hard question
to answer,
Uh,
the feeling
I had
is,
all
I
can do is reiterate what
I
said in
the session,
and that is
that
I had
the feeling that it was
low,
uh,
routine,
hum-drum,
things proceeding according to plan.
No big crunch,
no big
passion,
no eagerness,
no,
no pressure of,
god,
\i/e've
gotta
get this thing done, we gotta get it done yesterday
type thing.
None
of that type pressure.
Just,
you know, methodical,
pro-
ceeding as planned.
#03:
Kind
o'
like
(omitted for security reasons).
#31:
Sort
o'
like Grill Flame,
yeah.
I mean we're so mellow,
you
know.
Everything's mellow and laid back,
you know.
We don't have any-
body pulling our chain or anything like
that.
#03:
Right.
Okay.
You got anything else you wanna add
to this?
#31:
No.
That's
it.
#03:
Okay.
This will be
the end of the session,
and we're off tape
here.
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ANALYST'S COMMENTS
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION DCC-63
TIME
0906
Are there any other structures in
the area?
0909
Pursue the statements about the pipes.
0910
He appears to be at the POL pumping station.
Move him 1.5 km NNW
to the target site.
0922
Move him away from airfield back to area of antenni.
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