SG1J SG1J SG1J SG1J SG1J SG1J SG1J SG1B Approved For Release 2003/09/16 : CIA-RDP96-00791R000100030012-2 Secret Notes on conversation with] | (1a/0GF/PaG) 1 Feb 95: In general: [| _____ iis program manager at DIA of Stargate. He and SGIA his sta are currently housed at Ft. Meade He said DIA has been involved formally managing the Stargate program since 1990 and that it was inherited from the US Army [General Stubblebind?]; there it had been a primarily operations oriented program since the early 1980s. We discussed what CIA's initial approach to the program transfer would be [from my perspective], and the current state of the DIA program from his perspective. I said that the first thing CIA is going to do is set up a Blue Ribbon Review panel. I mentioned the National Research Council as a leading contender for this, based on the previous work they had done for the Army Research Institute. I said the second thing we would do, and in parallel, was to formally look at the issue of declassification. I asked for cooperation in both of these efforts. I made no discussion and no commitments in terms of dates, milestones, nor discussed any other aspect of_program transfer (i.e., billets, dollars, etc.), despite[. intense curiosity and questions on these issues. JI asked for all the supporting documentation[__] SG1J has said_was available during a previous meeting. This included: 1)[ ta program retrospective (just submitted in draft to CMS), af 20 year SG1J retrospective draft 3] ED May's (SAIC principal investigator) unclassified retrospective of R&D in parapsychology, and 4] 45 documents relating to R&D which[ ~~ ]olained he had SG1J declassified. He said he would bring these to the meeting Monday, but later hesitated about the R&D material, and the 20 yr retrospective saying it might be difficult to find. described these documents during our conversation SG1J confirming what[ shad said them. ] [_|described some_general highlights of the DIA progran. SG1B TO conduct operations, SG1J It is worth noting that believes that he has already responded to the CDA in preparing his LIMDIS report which he recently has submitted to the CMS and which he is discussing Approved For Release 2003/09/4@¢ C#4-RDP96-00791R000100030012-2
SG1I SG1J SG1J SG1J SG1J Approved For Release 2003/09/16 : CIA-RDP96-00791R000100030012-2 Secret with DIA's OCA liaison. He said he didn't object, however, to the CIA Blue Ribbon panel, and that it was a good idea because this work is so important. He also said he drafted a report going back to 1973 on the history of the program which he said was the 20-yr retrospective Congress asked for. He also pledged to be very cooperative in our Blue Ribbon Panel review. He was not too keen on the issue of "declassification", but he has equities in mind of which I am unaware. He said that "program declassification is not good," especially if it addresses who we have been doing this work for (the customers?). I didn't push the discussion on declassification other than to name [Jana to say SG1I that I though[ would be attending some of the meetings. Highlights: « We agreed that[ would briefing his program at ORD on 6 Feb, 10:00. -[ _Jagreea to bring relevant documentation to the meeting I told| _|cta's approach was Blue Ribbon Panel up front, with no other commitments «|_| may resist declassification, but otherwise pledges cooperation * The program is currently an operations program, collection and research have ceased. Approved For Release 2003/09MG¢1GIA-RDP96-00791R000100030012-2