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#31:
I'm sorta down now,
I'm just about
on
the surface,
but
I keep
getting this,
uh
When you first told me to
do,
to
look,
from up there,
I had the feeling of the,
uh,
this area
forested and desolate and way out
in nowhere.
But that this,
uh,
some sort
of
a major change took place here.
Some sort
of
a growing and bulging
in the ground,
somewhere
far below me.
But,
then down
at the ground I'm sitting here minding my own
business looking at this bank
of forest of trees,
and then way
up above me is this big billowing thing,
like
a,
uh,
off
in the
distance
is
like
a,
uh,
big,
round,
huge,
ugly cloud that
I
can see up over the top
of the trees
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#66:
All right.
As you center yourself
in the target again,
this
time as you
scan,
this time as you scan from 0930 to 1000 hours
GMT,
mark
time slowly and explain what happens
so that
you are
in control
of time rather than subject to what happens.
PAUSE
#31:
I'm getting feelings
of horizontal girder ing,
open steel mesh,
girdering above my head.
I think
I'm located at the target,
almost like bridge,
but
it's not
a bridge,
it's like
a building
shell.
It's,
this,
I
don't know what this stuff
is used for
here,
if anything.
I don't feel any people around,
I
don't
feel
any activity around.
It's
like
I'm at
a huge dummy place.
This isn't
a for- clear-
like
a clearing in the forest,
a sort
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of
a large clearing
in
a f-... wooded area,
heavily wooded.
These girders are horizontal and mostly...
All right now.....
I
keep getting this.... I
really think that the thing that goes
on goes on under the ground here because
I
keep getting this
fascination with my feet.
This feeling
of geologic change,
this magnificent change,
bulging
in the earth... is here...
It's.
. .blocked from my view by the earth.
I
keep saying,
I
keep wanting to say that this
is underground,
that whatever
it
is that happens underground....
#66:
Okay.
Do these horizontal girder things have walls associated
with them?
#31:
No,
they're like skeletons to buildings.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
They're like scaffoldings,
they're not solid....
#66:
Okay
#31:
I
just now went back up...
I was looking back down
on this
fingery island type
of feeling.
And
had this,
uh,
feeling
of
explosion.
. .shock wave.
But
for some particular,
peculiar
reason it's like mostly venting and escaping,
it's not... but
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#31:
somethin'
did come up and was visible above ground,
but like it's
all this shocking,
a
lot
of
this shocking,
everything was
in
the ground,
and
I
could see the... the countryside ripple and trees
wave back and
forth.
Like
a detonation
of
a large bomb or
a
large cash
of dynamite
or something.
That was,
I was up high
and that was sort
of just looking back down and that's when
I
saw
it.
#66:
Tell me about the experience that you have when this
occurs...
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#31:
It
is
like watching
a moving picture
of
a,
uh,
B-52 strike
in
l/ietman.
It's like this circular shock wave pattern going
out,
and then the dust,
dirt and dust plume rising out of
it.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
Very third person.
#66:
What
is your altitude
as you perceive this?
#31:
That was at about
a mile.
Maybe less.
#66:
All right.
Hold yourself at one mile altitude and
I would like
to read the coordinates again and the exact,
precise time
window.
Watch carefully when
I
read that and be prepared to
explain what happens.
SG1A
I'll
read them again now just to make sure:
SG1A
SG1C
Now the exact time window:
15 December 1980,
L
I
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#31:
I'm not gettin'
anything.
#66:
All
right.
I want
to have you
do your scan from the time
of
0930 to 1000 GMT and
I want
to put
you
in some different per-
spectives so that we can understand better what goes on
at the
target,
from several different perspectives.
So
I want you then
to assume the perspective
I
give
you and then when
I
say the
word "scan"
experience the target and report your experience
to me.
Okay?
SG1A
At
50,000 feet over the target.
. .scan.
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#31:
First there's nothin'
to see.
I was turning around.
. .and,
uh,
slowly turning around.
. .off to my right was as though
a huge
hatch door had been opened
in the ground and a spray of light
was coming up out
of
it,
heat and light,
like the... upward thrust
you have when
a rocket
in
a silo takes
off.
That kind of thing.
Was
a very nicely
four cornered,
but
it was immense.
It was
a... massive,
I mean if there was
a door
it would have to
be
a
mile across.
That's the only thing.
#66:
All right,
fine.
#31:
And
it sorta bulged
in the,
between the four corners.
It was
like
a,
a bulge
in
it,
that's first thing.
Like
a tablecloth
with four corners tacked down in the breeze.
#66:
All right.
Once again,
once again now:
SG1A
10,000
feet,
10,000 feet over the target...
Scan.
PAUSE
#31:
This funny. ..long skinny building, with like two wings
off
on
one side
of
it.
Something
is almost
"F" shaped...
It's
got
trees all around
it.
And as
I swung around looking
at
that
was like this massive light bolt
of light went up past me,
something almost segmented,
coming out of the building,
like
a
ray,
reflected ray
of light
or something Was going past and
it
was this feeling of brightness,
mirror brightness.
And
it was something to
do with this
"F" building,
but
I didn't
see
it come out
of this
"F" building
or this
"F"
thing,
it went
past me as
I was looking around somewhere else.
Like
if you
would imagine
a radio signal being
a physical thing.
It was
like this tube of signal going by me
on the vertical,
like
it
was going up and away from me,
away from the earth,
it went
right past
me.
And
it was. ..length
is not measured
in distance,
it's measured
in seconds,
and
it was like
a four second pulse or something
like that, which
in fact made the,
it was about
a half mile
long
it
felt
like,
if it had any length to
it.
This building
is. ..it's weird,
it's this very
long .. .string
bean building.
It has weird proportions.
. .excessively
long
for it's width
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#66:
Ask yourself what
is
the
origin
of the phenomena that you
experience
at this
location.
Ask yourself what
is the origin
of the phenomena that you experience
at this location.
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#31:
I'm,
uh...in
some strange place here... on catwalks...
I don't
know where
I
am,
I'm several levels up.#. off
of the bottom
level,
but
I don't know...
And there's... in front of me
is this.,
round thing,
it's
this,
uh,
like highly reflective,
huge,
round
generator
or something like that.
It's this... it's got
layers,
extra sleeves around
it and I'm like standing on this catwalk,
looking at this thing.
And there's this
longness.
Have this
feeling that
the thing that this
is
is part
of is real
long,
goes from my right to my
left.
It's
got all sorts
of different
aspects
to
it.
It's,
it's all assembled in straight line.
#66:
Okay.
Can
I ask
you to hold your description for
a moment.
I'm out
of tape, have to turn the tape over for
a minute.
So,
if you'll just hold your description
for
a moment and study
it
for
a minute while
turn the tape over.
You may continue.
#31:
It's,
uh,
long. ..and
it has this,
uh... black,
shiny,
highly
complex and segmented. .. .length
to
it.
I can't tell
if
I'm
above ground or
if
I'm underground or
if I'm
in
a long building.
There's this longness
to this whole area here,
like I'm inside
that
long building.
The,
uh,
the head
of the,
the thing,
that
beam
of light or whatever
it was came
out
of the head of
the
building between the
"F"
things.
It's at that end,
it's not
the non-"F"
end.
That's
like the bottom of the thing,
the end
of,
the starting end of
it.
But there's like where the screen
is that openend up that let
the light out...
#66:
Okay.
If you'll remember everything that you've seen,
T have
no further questions about
the target area.
If there's anything
you'd like
to add please do
so now...
#31:
No.
#66:
Okay,
return your attention then
to the present
time and me
and the room here.
Move your arms, move your
legs,
stretch
a
bit and take
a few deep breaths and prepare
to draw that which
you've
seen.
#31:
Okay,
uh,
on sketch
I've just drawn
a general feeling for
the greater area.
I
had
a feeling there were water rivers run-
ning
in and through and amongst maybe islands,
or forming
islands,
like
I was
in
a delta area,
or someplace where there's
an awful
lot
of rivers and water.
The-
I had
a very strong
feeling
for evergreen forests,
you
know,
some sort of heavy
forestation and
I thought
they were evergreens.
Uh... anyway,
the idea
is the ground bulges up
in sketch
1,
like
a big bubble
in
a pot
of chili.
The ground bulges up feeling.
Uh,
from sketch
I went
on down into
the forest.
And
I was-.
I
felt that
I
was
standing,
looking at the side,
trees from
some little clearing,
and up. ..still
the feeling
of underground-
ness,
uh,
and,
uh,
then
I'm looking at these
trees and
the
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