Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600660001 -4 +24 #01: #66: +26 #01: #66: #O1: SG1A #66: #01: #66: Uh, I'm not sure I understand that question, but the response I keep getting is I keep trying to establish function, reason existance of shed. Uh, I keep getting a recurring image in my head that is, uh, answers, uh, shed problem in that it is an image of an old barn I saw once filled with dilapidated rusted tractor or farming implement type collection, uh, spoke wheel, blades, engine, etc. And the scenario I see occuring at the target is now part of the barns or the garage, shed, whatever, uh, don't represent dilapidated past of history. But now represent modern, uh, upgrade... But I can't find what.. other than new paint, polished metal..I can't define that. All right. We believe that the target of interest is apparent in your description of popsicle sticks with a ladder shape between popsicle sticks. Tell me about this. Okay, I get a....get a balanced fulcrum representing center of a square edged by two outlines that appear to be the shape of popsicle sticks. Uh, I keep getting an impression of short section of ladder type design..roughly two-thirds the size of the popsicle stick outline, about centered, even with the ful- crum. I can't tell if they're inside or outside of the popsicle outline. How many sets of popsicle sticks? Many, but they come in two's. I see what appears to be..off- center wheels, or better description would be disk shapes, oriented oblique to the design I'm describing. And towards the bottom I have two metal legs or arms coming out with cross pieces and disk connected at top. And some sort of dark square associated to those arms. Okay. Uh, we have every reason to believe that the popsicle ladder shape is MM however, it's apparent from your description that...your level of focus on the target is insufficient to enable you to perceive its utility. I'd like you now to spend a few minutes alone without reporting, focusing solely and completely on MMM which you have described. PAUSE I get a...apparently a side view. It, uh, appears to be a.,. some kind of a tow-around, flatbed type, uh, uh, I don't, I can't establish whether it's a watch facility type arrangement or a erector set or crane type arrangement. But it's a..it's got like a scissor section under these parallel popsicle stick outlines sitting on what is designed to look like a large semi-trailor flatbed type affair. I got, uh, some kinda support legs in the front and very large wheels in the rear..circular disk type shapes..rear. Okay. 5 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600660001 -4
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600660001 -4 #01: #663 #01: #66: #01: #66: +35 #01: #66: That's all... Okay. Now this perception you've labeled several things. Um, what I want to do now is to obtain a alternate perspective of this. So..there appears to be a flat area, um, in which you assumed was a, like a flatbed truck supported by these erector set type things. Stand on the flat area, stand on the flat area, and look down, away from you, standing on the flat area, and describe the scene to me... All I see is metal. I don't, uh, I'm not even sure I'm where I'm supposed to be now... Put your back to that scene and describe what's in front of YOU. Looks like the top of a cylinder of some kind. It's just got a rounded contour that's made of metal. Okay. I have no further questions then. Take a lock now, one more time, at the scene. Back away from it, take a look at the scene and the popsicle sticks and the ladders..of the terrain, and of the pattern that your images fit, how all these separate images and ideas fit together. And now let's prepare to draw those impressions that you have had. Okay, on page one I have attempted to show you what the outline of the popsicle sticks and ladders look like. "A" is, represents the initial pattern that I got of the popsicle outlines with ladders, But I was never really sure whether the ladder went inside or outside the popsicle sticks. Uh, "B" and "C" repre- sent variations of the popsicle sticks and ladders that I got. And I don't know why the variations occurred but.. "C" is a side view when I was attempting to develop what the popsicle sticks and ladders represent. Uh, guess that's it. The impor- tant thing is these are all shapes, you know. It may look like a truck, but that doesn't necessarily mean what it is. That's an outline type shape. Uh, page two is the "L" and "U" shape:ion the ground that I saw, which I interpreted to be shed like structures. And when I was centered over these they obtained the appearance of squares, the squares being formed by the outline of the, outline of the popsicle sticks..and ladders. I gave the approximate area. Each of the squares was about 20 by 20. And this was just a large, cleared area, apparently newly cleared, 'cause it all had new fencing and everything. Aside from that I, you know, what I said about the old barn holds true. Uh, I don't put much confidence in this stuff..'cause I'm not entirely sure I was in a right frame of mind when I came in ‘cause I just finished drafting a letter and everything for the boss and that sorta stuff. Okay. 6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600660001 -4
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