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INTERVIEW
This will be
a CENTER LANE interview with source #01.
The
date
is
18 January
1983.
The time
is 0900 hours.
Focusing your attention
on
8 December
1982,
at
There
is
a building.
Describe the room you know as white and
clean ,
In the new section
of the building.
The time period
of
8 December
1982 is perceptible.
There's three black boxes along the wall,
large 3x3x8
.
tS other one has strands of something
on
like wire.. goes
t-n
a
mart-iine with lenses for focusing. .. .looks at...
wait
a minute!'....
looks at
things with this machine,
small
!. trying
to see what
it
is that they're looking
at.
Is this the room you know as "white walls,
white table,
white lights
Yes,
everything
is white except the machines.
. .I'm getting lost,
just
a minute
I will wait.
Everything's lit up..
Describe the
lights.
Seeinq patterns,
sharp lines and ovals,
all overlayed like.,
pattern^ of metal crystals, blacks and grays.. just a "onuta...
!. plastics,
some made out
of plastics,
type of softness,
liquid form. ..but
it's metal top.. being spun
on
a mold
impression
of chemistry, manipulation with chemistry...
so confusing.
Describe the people
in this white
room.
All wearing.. white pants and coat,
all zipped together.
Full
covers on shoes are white.
Cover on head
is white.
Describe the activity
of the people
in the room.
Just
a miniute.
I will wait.
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They're adding chemicals to
a metalic base plastic substance.
Then spinning
it
in some machine.
Comes out like
a wire
or bead,
cutting that and then looking at the crystal
.
Crystals are knobby,
knobby looking like ping-pong bal
,
there are rounded edges and soft edges.
Before you talked about some lights
in this room?
Patterns... Keep trying to see what they. are.
I
go near
them,
I
get confused.
Feel like
a ferns
u/heel of lights.
Just
a minute.
I will wait.
Therp's cones,
tubes and cones of
light within tubes and
of ligh"
Only
some aren't
,
some are not quite visible.
They
come
fcjsrm a machine that weaves them like
rope.
Focusing
on the
8 December 1982,
you previously talked about
people holding sheets or somehting against light.
Squares sheets with patterns.
They're made
of the knobby crystals
that are uo there.
Maybe 400 squares to sheet,
transparent.
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one minute they're plastic and the next minute they're
hard.
They're seeds that things grow
on,
knobby crystals
grow on.
They're looking for perfect layering m crystals,
perfect dense layering
for some reason.
Okay.
Remember now the people and the lights and th sheets
and^the equipment
in the
room,
the activity and you can
dra
if
for me
I'ts time now to move to another area within the
new section of the building, holding your focus on
8 Decenjbor
1982,
move
now to the area, the room of blueprints,
which had many
coxors.
Move to the room of the blueprints.
law,
there are road maps.
Like things that look like road maps,
.ines super imposed over lines.
They're really projections.
Start by describing the
room,
the surrounding area around this
room of blueprints.
I arne sauare flat tables and sheets of .. .sheets of white plastic
Large squaie
wui
fh v
,
-it's like
a two dimensional
with lines super imposed on them,
but they
re,
it
s iakb
a
presentation of
a holographic section of something
•
J-t
s
a two dimensional picture
of thousands
of lines on top
of
thousands of lines.
Describe
for me the colors and patterns you perceive.
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One section is a man who
is... is looking into
a machine and
he's orthographically rotating the machine with
a knob
and he’s looking from numbers of directions and he's tracing
with
a red pen one of the
lines out
of the thousands
of
lines,
he’s tracing the
line.
He's making
a black line
red.
Other people are tacing other
lines in different colors,
purple and yellow and using
other machines.
#66:
Describe the patterns and dominent
colors.
#01:
..looks like,
I
can't,
there's thousands of lines and boxes
on top
of thousands of lines and boxes.
It's like looking
down on top of
a city,
all different size buildings and
then showing
it
in two dimension.
#66:
All right.
#01
They appear to overlap,
but they
don't.
#66:
We have examined two areas now,
and the area of blueprints
with "many colors" and
an area known
as the room which was
"white and clean".
I have no other questions this morning
about the new section of the building
on
8 December
1982.
But
I would like to provide you with
a few moments now to exlore
and comment
as you see
fit.
Do so now.
#01:
....Okay.
These are small parts of
a large department.
Keep
wanting to say that it's
a metalic type.,
of substance that
they're working with,
but it's,....
I keep wanting to say metalic,
and then
I want to
say plastic.
But it's something
in between,
something that's hard,
crystaline,
but soft to light.
I
don't know how to explain that.
It's
as
if light atoms
push
it out
of the way and depending on their frequency,
it's,
they could rearrange
the crystaline structure,
under the surface crystaline structure.
It's all done with
these computerized machines that emit this cones or tubes of
light.
That's all
I got,
#66:
Okay,
fine.
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Okay this is the description
of the drawings.
Starting with
the white room.
It's a picture
of the sheets being held up
to some kind light source.
This is drawing #1?
Yes this
is drawing #1.
sheets being held up to
a light source
of some kind,
a cut away of what
a section
of the sheet
looks like and
a description
of what that
is.
paqe
is,
are what they're seeing through some kind of
a
microscope
and it's the kinds
of crystals and what happens
when they're manipulated or tested.
Paqe #3 is this what
I
call
a carrousel
of light
and it's
like being inside this machine that's producing this light
wave.
And this is how
I
define whst that machine
is doing and
I'm not exactly sure about this,
you know from the inside out.
In any event it's producing
a projectile type beam which
is
what
I cal a light pen.
Page #4
is how
I depict the tip
of this light pen and
it
chanqes frequency electronically,
electror-optically
it
changes frequency,
but
it's manipulated electromechanically
someway through
a black box type device.
Now,
what
does this light pen do?
It.
that's what they project through these sheets,
through each
of these different squares.
And then they
look at these squares
to see what the light
pen
did and they very
its frequency and
the shape
of its tip and all this kinds
of stuff
.
Okay.
Whatever they're doing with
a black box with a pen.
Paqe #5
is the blueprint
area.
Page #5 shows
a two dimensional
view of what the blueprints look like,
you know they never
have square corners except they're thick plasitc sheets,
don't know
if they're clear
or opaque or what they
are,
or white,
they appear to be white sheets and they're plastic.
I
depicted what the first plastic sheet looks like and the second
plastic sheet looks like.
And in both plasic sheets overlayed,
one on top
of the other and looked at from the side,
what kind
of three dimensional view that gives.
This
is hard to describe,
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because when you look at
it,
you're presented with
a two
dimensional of three dimensional object.
And to understand
it,
you have to get into
it and then
it becomes three dimensional
and you can no longer display
it two dimensionally.
Page #7
is an altered and
a not altered pattern.
It's like the
whole pattern changes when light
pen
is used on
it.
And then
they
go back and they mark the alterations according to the
kind of alteration
it
is.
They look
in the scope and they see
what kind of alteration
it
is and they mark
it with
a different
color to indicate the actual alteration and type of alteration
it
is.
So you're saying what
is done
in this blueprint room has
something to do with?
Frequencies of light being controlled and emitted through test
squares
in sheets.
Back in the white
room?
Yes.
Don't confuse the sheets of test squares with the plastic
sheets
in the other room.
The plastic sheets
in the blueprint
room are entirely differnt.
Those
are display type sheets,
recording type sheets,
or they're representative
of the kinds
of fracturing that's going
on
in the crystaline squares.
Okay.
But they
are,
the rooms are connected.
One
is a record
keeping of
They're all part,
so far these two rooms are all part
of
a
single department
but are different areas.
Anything else?
No,
that's all.
Yes,
I have one other thing
to add.
This
is
really getting tough because; .. .Remote viewing the target area
and seeing what
the. people see,
you're presented with
a
two dimensional view of everything.
And when you try to get
into the two dimensional view to find out what
it
is,
you are all of
a sudden
in
a three dimensional presentation.
In other words your 're seeing
all different directions
at
the same time.
And that can't be presented
in
a two dimensional
view.
I
don't know
if that makes any
sense,. that's getting
very complicated.
That's all
I have.
Okay.
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1983,
Source
CL-01
was
interviewed
concerning
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During
a
previous
interview
(CL-973/8210/01,
conducted
December
1982)
Source
described
two
areas
in
the
newer
section
of
a
building.
One
area
was
a
room
with
bright
white
lights,
white walls
and
white
tables.
The
other
area
was
a
room with
large
"blueprints".
This
interview
was
an
attempt
to
have
Source
further
describe
these
areas.
Source
stated
substantially
as
follows:
These
two
areas
were
part
of
a
single
department.
The
results
from activities
conducted
in
the
"white
room"
area
were
recorded
or
displayed
on
layered
plastic
sheets
(blueprints)
in
the
room
with
large
"blueprints".
The
layered
plastic
sheets
displayed
the
results
of
tests
which
took
place
in
the
"white
room"
which
may have
included fracturing
of crystals.
In
the white
room there were
three
large
black
boxes
along
a
wall.
These
boxes
measured
approximately
feet
wide,
feet
deep,
and
feet
high.
There
were
other
"black
boxes"
and
"machines"
in
this
area
for
which
Source
provided
no
further
description.
One
of
the
black
boxes
along
the
wall
was
connected
to
a machine
in
the
room.
This machine
(not
further
identified)
was
used
to
look
at
small
crystals.
Personnel
in
the
"white"
room were
wearing
a
zipped
together
white
pants
and
coat
suit
which
included
white
covers
for
both
the
head
and
shoes.
These
personnel
added
chemicals
to
a
metalic
base
*
t
plastic
substance.
This
substance
was
then
spun
in
a
machine’
(not
further
identified).
This
process
resulted
in
a
wire
or
bead
which
was
then
cut
into
samples.
When
the
samples
were
cut,
the
crystals
within
the
samples
looked
like
"ping
pong
balls"
with
rounded
and
soft
edges.
The
samples
were'
then
mounted
in squares
on
sheets.
These
sheets
may have
had
as
many
as
400
sample
squares
on
each
sheet.
These
sheets
were
then
placed
in
a black box
(not
further
identified)
within
the
"white
I room"
for
testing.
Inside
this
black
box
the
sample
sheets
were
| bombarded with
light from what
Source called
a
light pen.
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separate machine
(not
further
identified)
produced
a
light
wave,
a
projectile
type
beam
which
Source
labled
a
light
pen.
This
light
was
then -manipulated
electromechanically
through
a
black
box
type
device
(not
further
identified).
This
"light
pen"
produced
light
of
varied
frequencies
and
intensities.
Source
was
unsure
as
to
whether
the
light
was
used
to
affect
the
samples
or
simply
to
illuminate
them
for
observation.
In
either
case,
personnel
in
the
area
were
concerned
with
the
crystaline
structures within
the sample
squares
on
the
sheets.
They
seemed
to
be
looking
for
perfect
layering
in
the
crystals,
perfect
dense
layering.
Source was
unable
to provide
an
adequate
description
of
the
samples.
They
seemed
to
him
to
be
both
hard
and
brittle
like
metal,
yet
plastic-like
in
the
way
that
they
could
be
manipulated.
At
one point Source
stated,
"I
keep wanting
to
say
metalic,
and
then
I want
to
say plastic.
But
it's
something
in-
between,
something
that's
hard,
crystaline,
but
soft
to
light,
xt's
as
if
1 ight ... depending
on
the
frequency...
could
rearrange
the crystaline structure,"
Source described
the
"blueprint
room"
as
having
large
square
flat
tables.
In
this
area
personnel
traced
lines
on
large
plastic
sheets
with
machines
(not
further
identified).
Many
lines
of
different
colors,
black,
red,
purple
and
yellow,
were
traced
on plastic
sheets.
Many plastic
sheets
were
then
stacked
to
form
a
holographic
presentation.
Personnel
orthographically
rotated
the
tracings
so
as
to
observe
the
holographic
pre-
sentation
from
different
angles.
Source
compared
the
plastic
sheets
to
"road
maps"
with
lines
superimposed
over
lines.
Source
stated
that
the
sheets
were marked
with
different
colors
which
indicated
alterations
and
type
of
alteration
which
occurred
in
the
crystaline
squares
testing
in
the
area
known
the
"white
room"
.
as
No
further
amplifying
information
concerning
SUBJECT
was
obtained from Source during
this
interview.
Attached
hereto
is
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drawings
provided
by
Source
concerning
the
areas described
above.
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