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REMOTE VIEWING OF NATURAL TARGETS
This paper presents
a series of experiments
in which
a subject
is
asked to describe
a remote
site chosen by experimenters
and unknown to
the subject.
This work was undertaken to test
the
idea that natural
geographic places or man-made
sites
that have existed for a long time
are more potent targets
for paranormal perception experiments than are
artificial targets prepared
in
the laboratory.
This
is based
in part
on
the suggestions of two of our subjects
(Messrs. Pat Price and Ingo
Swann) who consider the
use of artificial
targets
to be
a "trivialization
of
the
ability,"
as compared with natural preexisting targets.
In order to build a physical theory for the explanation of psychical
phenomena,
it
is necessary to have
a clear understanding of what constitutes
the phenomena which are
to be explained.
In this paper we endeavor
to
present
a series of coherent and repeatable experiments which represent
a sufficiently stable data base
against which
to
test various theories
for psychical functioning.
In these experiments we have
three principal
findings.
First,
we
have definitely established that
it
is possible
to obtain significant
amounts of descriptive
information about remote
locations.
Second,
the
physical distance separating
the subject from the
scene
to be
perceived
does not greatly effect
the accuracy of perception.
In our experiments
the distance was varied from two miles
to two thousand miles.
Finally,
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the
use of electromagnetic shielding does not
in any apparent way degrade
the quality or accuracy of
the descriptions obtained.
These
facts taken
together cast great doubt on theories
for psychic perception based on
a
conventional
use of electromagnetic radiation.
Although it
is possible
for extremely low frequencies to penetrate our shielded room,
we question
whether signals
of such low frequency have
the necessary information
carrying capacity
to account for the experiments described
in this paper.
In our experience,
a subject
is more
likely
to describe accurately
a remote site
chosen at random from hundreds of nearby locations than he
is
to select correctly an integer from zero
to nine chosen by
a similar
random process.
In a later section we describe
the protocol used to
quantify
the
correspondence between the subject's description and the
observables present at
the target location.
We consider that this differ-
ence
in task difficulty
lies
in the
fact that
a subject can make
a perfect
mental picture of each numeral from one
to ten from his own imagination,
whereas
he
is more likely
to try to make his mind
a blank when attempting
to perceive
pictorial information from remote locations
about which he
has no mentally stored data.
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In experiments carried out
in our program to investigate
the abilities
of
a New York artist,
Mr.
Ingo Swann,
he expressed
the opinion that
the
insights gained during experiments
at SRI had strengthened his ability
(researched before
he
joined
the SRI
program)
to view remote locations.
To test Mr.
Swann's assertion,
a pilot study was
set
up in which
a
series of targets from around the globe were supplied
to the experimenters
by SRI
personnel on
a double-blind basis.
In our estimation,
Mr.
Swann's
ability
to describe correctly details of buildings,
roads,
bridges,
and
the like
indicated
that he could perceive
remote
locations,
sometimes
in
great detail,
given only their geographic latitude
and longitude.
Thus,
we
considered the descriptions were sufficiently accurate
to warrant our
setting up
a research program in remote viewing.
We present here
the results of
a remote viewing experiment,
carried
out with a second subject
in
the
remote viewing program
(Mr. Pat Price).
This experiment consisted of
a series of double-blind,
demonstration-of-
ability tests
involving local
targets
in the San Francisco Bay area which
could be documented by several
independent judges
In each of nine experiments
in which Mr. Price served as remote
viewing subject and SRI experimenters
as
a target demarcation team,
a
remote location was chosen in a double-blind protocol.
Mr.
Price,
who
remained at SRI,
was asked
to describe
this remote
location,
as well
as
whatever activities might be going on there
*K.
Osis, ASPR Newsletter
, No.
14,
Summer 1972.
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Data from the nine experiments
are presented in the following para-
graphs.
Final judging indicated
that several descriptions yielded sig-
nificantly correct data pertaining
to and descriptive
of
the
target
loca-
tion.
In
the nine double-blind remote -viewing experiments,
the following
procedures were
used.
A set of twelve
target locations clearly differen-
tiated from each other and within thirty minutes driving time
from SRI,
had been chosen from a target-rich environment
(more than 100 targets of
the
type used in the experimental series)
prior to the experimental series
by an individual
in SRI management,
the director of
the
Information Science
and Engineering Division,
not otherwise associated with the experiment.
Both the experimenters and the
subject were kept blind as
to the contents
of the
target pool, which were used without replacement.
To begin
the experiment,
an experimenter was closeted with Mr.
Price
at SRI
to wait
30 minutes
to begin the narrative description of
the remote
location.
The SRI locations from which the subject viewed
the remote
locations consisted of an outdoor park
(Experiments
1,2)
a double -walled
copper-screen Faraday
cage
(Experiments
3,4,
6-9),
and an office
(Experi-
ment
5).
A second experimenter would then obtain a target location from
the Division Director from a set of traveling orders previously prepared
and randomized by
the Director and kept under his control.
The target
* The Faraday
cage provides
120 dB attenuation for plane wave radio
frequency radiation over a range of 15 KHz to
1 GHz.
For magnetic fields
the
attenuation is
68 dB at
15 KHz and decreases
to
3 dB at 60 Hz.
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demarcation team,
consisting of
two
to four SRI experimenters then pro-
ceeded directly
to
the target by automobile without communicating with the
subject or experimenter remaining behind.
Since
the experimenter remaining
with the subject at SRI was
in ignorance both as
to the particular target
and also as to
the target pool,
he was
free
to question Price
to clarify
his descriptions.
The demarcation team then remained at
the target site
for an agreed-upon thirty-minute period following the
thirty minutes
allotted for travel.
During the observation period,
the remote -viewing
subject would describe his impressions of the target site
into a tape
recorder.
A comparison was then made when the demarcation team returned.
To represent best the detail and style of these narratives,
we have repro-
duced in an Appendix the entire unedited text of one of the better narra-
tives
(Exp.
7) which contains very few incorrect statements.
In general, Mr. Price's ability to describe correctly buildings,
docks,
roads,
gardens,
etc.,
including structural materials,
color,
ambience,
and activity,
sometimes in great detail,
indicated the
functioning of a remote perceptual ability.
However,
the descriptions
contained inaccuracies as well as correct statements.
To obtain a
numerical evaluation of
the accuracy of the remote viewing experiment,
the experimental results were subjected to independent judging on a
blind basis by five SRI scientists who were not otherwise associated
with the research.
The judges were asked
to match the nine locations,
which they independently visited,
against
the typed manuscripts of the
tape-recorded narratives of the remote viewer.
The transcripts were
unlabeled and presented in random order.
The judges were asked
to find
a narrative which they would consider the best match for each of the
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one target location.
A correct match requires
that
the transcript of
a given date be associated with the target of
that date.
The table
shows the distribution of
the judges'
choices.
For purposes of display
: we present the table such that the main diagonal corresponds
to the
correct choices.
The number of correct matches by Judges A through E
is
7,
6,
5,
3,
and
3, respectively.
The expected number of correct
matches from the five judges was
five;
in the experiment twenty-four
such matches were obtained.
Among all possible analyses, none
is more conservative than a
permutation analysis of the plurality vote of
the judges'
selections
assuming assignment without replacement,
an approach independent of
the number of judges.
By plurality vote,
six
of the nine descriptions
and locations were correctly matched.
Under the null hypothesis
(no
remote viewing and a random selection of
, descriptions without replacement),
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this outcome has an a
,
priori probability of p = 5.6 x 10
,
since,
among
all possible permutations of
the integers one through nine,
the
probability of six or more being in their natural position in the list
has that value.
Therefore, although Price's descriptions contain
inaccuracies,
the descriptions are sufficiently accurate to permit the
judges
to differentiate among the various targets
to
the degree indicated.
+The a priori probability of such an occurrence by chance, conservatively
assuming assignment without replacement on the part of
the judges, is
p - 8-10"10
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DISTRIBUTION
OF
CORRECT
SELECTIONS
BY
JUDGES
A,
B,
C,
D,
AND
E
IN
REMOTE
VIEWING
EXPERIMENTS
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Remote Viewing with "Ordinary"
Subjects
Based on the results of
the Price experiments we decided
to extend
our investigations
to include
the
two outstanding
(ordinary)
subjects
who had been uncovered
in
a broad-based screening experiment including
147 volunteer
subjects.
The
subjects for this experiment were
an SRI
scientist,
Mr.
D.E.
,
and
a professional photographer,
Ms.
H.H.
Target Selection
The protocol
for
the experiments was
as
follows:
One experimenter
would remain at SRI with
the subject while the other experimenter went
to the remote target location.
The
target was selected by the
traveling
experimenter after he left SRI
and while
the subject was monitored by
the other experimenter.
The
traveling experimenter,
who had
a list of
six San Francisco Bay Area locations
that could be reached in no more
than 30 minutes driving,
then cast
a die
to determine which place would
actually be visited.
After
a half hour's wait,
the subject remaining
at
SRI
began
to
relate his impressions about
the place where
the other experimenter was
located;
these narrations were recorded on magnetic
tape.
The experi-
menter remaining behind with
the
subject had no information about the
target location.
Four
such experiments were performed with these two subjects,
two
with each.
Locations were generated from
a list that included such
possible targets
as
a drive-in
theatre,
Hoover Tower on the Stanford
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University campus,
a
toll plaza on the east
side of
the Dumbarton bridge
across
the San Francisco Bay,
Palo Alto Methodist Church,
Artificial
Intelligence building in foothills west of
SRI,
Baylands nature preserve,
Allied Arts crafts plaza,
the Alpine Inn beer garden in
the
foothills,
Rinconada Park swimming pools,
and Redwood City Marina,
among others.
The four
target locations used in this
series of experiments were
a miniature
golf course
in Redwood City,
the Bay Area Rapid Transit
station in Fremont
(across
the Bay),
a shielded room at
SRI,
and
(as
a
special long-distance
task)
a vacation resort
in Costa Rica.
For this
last
target,
the
subject was
asked
to supply
a drawing and written
description.
In the preexperiment orientation,
the subjects were
told that
since
they had demonstrated paranormal perceptual
ability in previous
tasks,
we were confident that they could do
this additional
task since we had
already observed
two other subjects performing such tasks successfully.
Summary of Experiments
The following gives
a summary of
the four experiments done with
the
two "ordinary”
subjects from the screening
study.
In the first experiment,
Ms.
H.
H.
described
a "...red,
wooden
building with
a pointed roof."
The building was further described as
being made with "...overlapping boards
and has
a white
trim."
Further-
more,
she
said,
the "...building is empty,
as though nothing is going
on
inside.
And the whole place
seems artificial like
a movie
set."
The
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building where
the experimenter,
Dr,
Puthoff,
stood was
a 4.5-meter high
caricature of
a schoolhouse on
a miniature golf course—both empty and
artificial
(Figure
1).
The
shape,
color,
and construction were
all
accurate.
In
a second experiment,
the experimenter
(Phyllis Cole)
was
led by
a
throw of
the die
to
a
shielded room
(Figure
2)
on the second floor of
SRI
T s Engineering building.
D.E.*s description had her "...sitting rather
quietly alone on the corner of
a rather large
room.
Not
so much
an office,
but more
like
a classroom,
a larger
room.
And
as
she was sitting
there
in
the room she was writing,
she was looking
at perhaps something on
the
wall
and writing something../
(In
fact,
at about
this
time
the experi-
menter was observing graffiti
on
the wall,
and mentally composing her
own for
the collection.)
A detailed description fits well with
the
row
of
a half-dozen large heavy black metal machines on
a work bench
to
the
right of
the experimenter that
she
touched
at approximately this
time
during the experiment:
"i
have
some impressions
that
I
can't understand
it's like
some heavy black things
that
she could either be sitting on or
that
she's
touching.
Sort
of an amorphous shape
that
I
can
1 t pick up,
but
it feels heavy and black and of
a distinguishable
shape,
but
its
exact form is not angular—doesn't
seem angular,
and
I
can
1 t interpret
a shape
from
it."
This description was substantially correct and would
have
fit no other target used
in any experiments up
to
that
time.
The
description was unique in
the
set of descriptions with which it was
compared.
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"SCHOOLHOUSE" ON MINIATURE GOLF COURSE
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SHIELDED ROOM
IN
SRI'S ENGINEERING BUILDING
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In
a
third trial,
the experimenters
(Russell Targ and Phyllis Cole)
went
to
the Bay Area Rapid Transit
(BART)
station across
the bay from
SRI,
again chosen at random from
a prepared list.
D.E.'s description
closely matched
the
target:
"...a
simple,
heavy,
solid building with
a
unique function"
in "...relatively natural
surroundings"
[all correct
see Figures 3(a)
and 3(b)].
In his further description,
D.
E.
said
(correctly) "They are standing at
a metal railing looking out over
a
scene.
They are up high enough that they can see
some buildings down
below"
[Figure 3(c)].
He sensed some ambiguity of whether
the experi-
menters were inside
a building or not.
"i
have
the sense they’re outside,
though,
but they’re near
a building.
There's
a larger building-like
structure.
Feels like
it has sort of one function.
One primary function.
And although they're outside,
they're relating
to the building and its
function."
In fact
the experimenters were on the open station platform
waiting for
a
train.
About 11:22 he
said,
"i
have
the impression
that
Russell
is feeling
a smooth metal
surface.
Sort of large plates,
large
metal
plates.
Somewhat rectangular."
The timing and description are
highly accurate.
Figure 3(d)
illustrates Mr.
Targ looking at
the large
metal BART route map,
just before
the train's arrival.
At exactly 11:25
D.E.
said "everything changed"
and "i
don't
see
them anymore."
That
is
the precise time
the target pair boarded
the BART train and left
the
station.
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FIGURE
BART
STATION
AT
UNION
CITY,
CALIFORNIA,
USED
AS
REMOTE
VIEWING
TARGET
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In addition
to
the remote viewing of local
targets,
one subject
(H.
H. )
participated in
a long-distance experiment.
In this experiment
one of
the experimenters
(Dr.
Puthoff)
spent
a week traveling through
Central America on
a combination business/pleasure
trip.
That
is
all
that was known
to
the subject about
the traveler's itinerary.
The
experiment called
for Dr.
Puthoff
to
keep
a detailed record of his
location and activities,
including photographs,
each day at 1330 PDT.
Five daily responses were obtained
from
the
subject.
Two were in excel-
lent agreement,
two had elements
in common but were not clear corre-
spondences,
and one was clearly
a miss.
In the first of
the
two matches,
Dr. Puthoff was driving in rugged terrain at the base of
a volcano
(Figure 4)
and the subject's response was "larger bare
table mountain,
jungle below,
dark cool moist atmosphere,"
a match both with regard
to
topography and ambience.
In
the second match the
subject submitted
that
all
she got was
a "picture
of Dr.
Puthoff
sitting in
a beach chair by
a
pool," which was entirely correct.
During the course of
the Central America experiment,
on one occasion
when the test subject was unavailable,
one of
the authors
(RT) volunteered
a drawing of an image he obtained
at
the beginning of one of
the daily
experiments.
(The
target for that day was
an airport,
an unexpected
target associated with
a side excursion
at midpoint
of
the week’s activity.)
The match was
good,
as
shown in Figures
5 and
6.
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FIGURE
AIRPORT
IN
SAN
ANDRES,
COLOMBIA,
USED
AS
REMOTE
VIEWING
TARGET
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FIGURE 6
SKETCH PRODUCED BY SUBJECT FROM SAN ANDRES, COLOMBIA, AIRPORT
USED AS REMOTE VIEWING TARGET
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Conclusion
We have presented evidence for
the existence
of
a biological
infor-
mation channel whose characteristics appear
to fall outside
the range
of
known perceptual modalities.
The precise nature of
the channel or channels
is
as yet undefined,
but may involve either direct perception of hidden
information content,
perception of mental
images
of persons knowledgeable
of target information,
precognition,
or some combination of these or other
information channels.
We have worked with three individuals whose remote perceptual
abilities were sufficiently developed
that
they were able
to describe
geographical material blocked from ordinary perception.
From these experiments we conclude
that
o
A channel exists whereby information about
a remote location
can be obtained by means of an as
yet unidentified perceptual
modality.
o
As with all biological
systems,
the information channel appears
to
be imperfect,
containing noise along with the
signal.
o
While
a quantitative
signal -to -noise ratio
in the information-
theoretical
sense cannot
as
yet be determined,
the results
of
our experiments indicate
that
the functioning is
at
the
level
of useful information transfer.
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APPENDIX
Transcript
of Experiment
7 with Pat Price
Following
is
the unedited transcript
of remote viewing Experiment
7,
where
the target
was
an Arts
and Crafts Garden Plaza.
This
is
a
large
plaza resembling
a California mission.
There are craft
shops around
the
perimeter
of
the plaza.
In
the plaza
area
are many gardens,
flowers,
ceramic
pots,
fountains,
and
paths.
Overhead are
vines
on arbors
of
redwood.
Price’s
description
is accurate
in almost every
detail
and he
omitted little
of
importance.
(See Figure
7.)
1:40
THIS
IS A REMOTE VIEWING EXPERIMENT WITH PAT PRICE,
DEAN BROWN,
AND RUSSELL TARG
IN THE SHIELDED ROOM
IN BUILDING
30.
THE TRAVELLERS TO
REMOTE LOCATION ARE BART COX,
HAL PUTHOFF,
JUDY SCHMICKLEY AND PHYLLIS
COLE.
WE EXPECT THE TRAVELLERS TO BE AT THEIR PLACE
IN ABOUT
10 MINUTES.
IT’S
1:58.
OUR TRAVELLERS SHOULD BE NEAR TO ARRIVING AT THE PLACE.
OK.
Why don’t
I
start scanning by quadrant using
this
as
a
center point.
12-3,
6-9
I’ll
go from 12-3
first.
Seems
to me right now
that
I’m picking
them up
in
the
12-3 quadrant,
but
I’ll
go on
in
the
rest and
look.
I
haven’t
actually identified
them,
I
just
feel
that
they’re
there.
Nope,
I
don’t
get
them there.
Now I'll
go
from 6-9.
While
I
was
looking at
6-9,
it
looks
to me
like
I’m looking at an
iris,
a
flower
of some
kind.
I’ll
come back and
identify that
later.
Just wanted to
get
it down as having
a
flash of
an
iris flower-purplish.
I’ll continue
to scan
that quadrant.
Nope,
don’t
get them
there.
I’ll
go
from 9-12.
Don’t
get
them
there.
I’ll
go back
12-3.
Yeah,
I
get them
in that quadrant.
Now I’ll
see
if
I
can
locate
them physically and identify
the
area.
I’m looking at something
that
looks
like an arbor,
trellis-work arbor.
Seems
to be
cool,
shaded.
Doesn’t seem to me that
they’re out
in
the
direct
sunlight.
Be more
like
there’s
lots
of
trees,
in an arbor area.
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The arbor appears
to be made of wood,
possibly redwood.
They
T re
just .... looks
like
it's
a
dirt
path,
quite wide,
I’d
say
maybe
feet,
I
can see
some grass.
Looks
like possibly
a
fountain
of some
kind.
Yeah,
I
can see Bart
in his
red shirt and what
looks
like kind of
a
gray paisley
tie
-
I
didn’t really look at
that when he was
down
there.
The
red
shirt,
I
did.
Looks
like he has
on
a
gray paisley
tie
.
It appears
they’re walking along quite
leisurely.
Looks
like there’s some red brick laid
into
a walkway.
They
don’t
seem
to be on
it,
they just seem to pass
over
that.
I
get
-
it
seems
like
a
little ways
away from them
there
are quite
a
few people but right where they’re walking
it doesn’t appear
to
be many right
in
there.
This
is
an arbor
area.
Back
of
that
arbor,
back here
I'd say 50 feet
from
that
arbor
to here,
seems
to be
a
lot of people
in here.
They
were walking along here on what
looks
like about
a
foot
dirt
path.
WHAT KIND OF PLACE
IS THE ARBOR
IN?
IS
IT A FIELD OUT
IN THE OPEN?
No,
I want
to say park,
but
it
doesn’t exactly feel
like
a
park.
If
you took
a
-
the
feeling I’m getting
-
it’s
not
the specific place
-
but
like the Town and Country Market.
That
type
of an atmosphere,
with quite
a
section of
it
into
a
little outdoor park,
but basically
I’m getting
a very strong feeling
of
flowers.
Like
the first
one
I
saw was an
iris.
TELL ME ABOUT THE TOWN AND COUNTRY ASPECT.
IN WHAT WAY DOES
IT REMIND
YOU OF TOWN AND COUNTRY.
The buildings,
not right where
they’re
at,
but very close
to
them have
that
same kind of architecture
and
look.
The parking
lot
looks
similar,
grand,
sweeping,
not
cluttered,
it’s more expansive area.
You take
a
place
like Sears Mall
-
it seems cluttered.
This seems more
leisurely
paced.
People are moving about slower
-
there’s not
the hustle
and bustle
-
more
or
less meandering.
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TOWN AND COUNTRY MEANS
TO ME A COVERED WALKWAY.
Yeah,
the back of
them
it seems
to be
- where
they are
seems
to be
a
very
large arbor
like vines growing over
it and things,
and there possi-
bly
-
I
haven't
looked
in there
yet
to
see
if
there's
any displays
like
pottery and things
-
I
get
the
feeling that
there
is right close
to
it.
ALSO,
OUTDOORS?
Yeah,
it
seems
like fairly high shade trees
-
kinda bordering.
The center
part
doesn't seem
to have
it
-
this part
in here.
The
trees seem to be
way up
in here along
like
this
over here.
This
seems
to be shaded
in
here,
but
it's
sunny out
here.
I
just saw something
that
looked
like
a windmill
-
not
a farm
type wind-
mill
-
a Dutch- type windmill.
It's smaller
-
it's
not
a huge
thing,
but
I'm getting
a definite
feeling that
it's
like
a windmill.
The
area
in there
feels damp
-
not wet
-
they're not walking
in water,
but
it's very moist.
The temperature
in there... it's
secluded.
Feels very comfortable.
A
little on
the shady side.
WHAT DO YOU FIND AS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PLACE THEY'RE AT?
Outside
of
this
little park-like affair
that
they seem to be
in,
there's
a
street.
One
side
of
it
seems
to be
a kind of
a residential. .. the other
seems
to be
a
little bit more heavily
travelled.
Let me pick up
a
little bit more.
I
can see one very large
oak tree
- exceptionally
large.
Right now Bart
is
trying to point something out
that
is basically
the
significance
of
the whole
place.
It's
like
that
key
thing,
well,
if
you'd have mentioned
a
salt pile I'd have blown my
lid.
Well,
this has
a significance
that's
just about comparable
to that.
I’m screening
it
out
Thing
that just flashed
in was kind
of like
a
stadium structure
-
like
looking down into
a stadium.
Just when
I
did that
I
-
I'll have
to reorient
to make
sure
I'm looking
in
the same area
now.
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Seems
like
they're
-
I
still
get them in
the
same quadrant
I had them
in originally.
Seems
like some decorative brick walls.
THE QUADRANT YOU HAD THEM
IN
IS BASICALLY THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT?
Yeah,
I
got
them out about
this
far
-
it's
not
far away
-
I'd say
in
this direction over here about
-
feels
like
a mile
to
a mile and
a
half.
They don't
feel
as
far away,
and
I'm not
looking at
the
time
continuum.
They actually don't
feel
as
far away.
I'd say
that
it
is about
-
not
half
the distance
they were
to
the marina,
and
it
seems
to be on
a
line
just
about
in that direction but
just
a hair more
-
rather than
a direct
line
from here
to
the marina
-
they seem to be just slightly more
to
the
left
of
that
line.
I
was
looking back to where he had
the car parked and
it
seems
like
it's
on asphalt
,
then
a
curb
in
front,
and
then
it's
like
a
dirt walkway and
then
a
sidewalk.
But
I
can see eucalyptus buds on
the ground and some
branches
of eucalyptus
there.
One
of
the most
dominant
things
to me
in the way
of unusualness
is
the
size
of
the oak tree
that
I'm looking
at.
Looks
like an arboretum,
or
I
get
the definite feeling of
flowers.
Almost get
the feeling
like it's commercial
flowers.
In
fact,
the most predominant feeling
that
I'm getting right now
is
flowers.
Don't know why
iris particularly.
There's something about
the windmill
that
I
was going
to
look
at.
Wasn't
that what you were....?
Be
like
one you'd almost
see
in
a miniature golfcourse ... the windmill.
Has
all
the construction and detail
but not
as
large
-
it's
fairly
small.
Seems
to be made
out
of dark redwood and
it's
kind of aged.
I’m going
to
try
to
look more directly
to
them.
Let’s
see,
there’s Bart
and Hal,
and behind Bart
is Judy and behind Hal
is Phyllis,
kinda
stag-
gered
there.
Looks
like
a possible
small pool
of water
-
like
a garden pond.
Looks
like
a
little bridge.
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I
was
trying
to get
the
feeling
of what
type
of an area
it was.
Let me elevate
a
bit.
I'm looking at much too small
an area.
There's
some greater significance
there
that
I
feel
I'm definitely not
looking
at
-
let's jack up
a
bit... maybe 500
feet.
I
see
a
lot
of
trees.
I
see Judy's red hair and her brown eyes and
her
flashing
teeth
-
she
has beautiful
teeth.
Hadn't really looked at
them before.
Phyllis and her are
talking about something and Hal
and Bart
are talking
about something and he's pointing
at something and
it
seems
to me
that
he's pointing over
to what
I’d call
a windmill
or something that
looks
like
a windmill.
The water
I
see
looks more
like
a pool
or
a pond
than
it
does
-
you
know,
it's not big like
a
lake
-
not very
large,
but
it
looks
like
a
definite
pool.
Right where
they're
at
I
don’t hear too much traffic noise
-
it
seems
to be
fairly quiet.
Looks
like
a
little wooden walkway.
Feels
a
little early,
but
it kinda seems
like they're retracing their
steps heading back toward
the
car,
but they're
still moving quite leisurely.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN ON THE PLACE FROM ABOVE,
CAN YOU GET ANY FEELING FOR
THE
-
IS THERE ANY OVERALL LAYOUT OR PLAN?
When
I went up
I
could
see
trees
and
stuff,
and
I
kind of
got
the
feeling
of
like
in
a corner
of
a
golf course,
you know
- where
there would be
a
lot
of
trees overhanging the green and some
things
in there
-
that seemed
to be out
of
context,
but when
I
elevated,
that's what
I
got.
It kind
of looked
like an overlap
to me,
so
I
didn't talk about
it,
but
I
will.
When
I
elevated
it
kind
of
felt
like
it was
right over
the
corner
of
a
golf course
of
some
kind,
with
a street running down one side,
and
they
are fairly close
to
that.
In
fact,
the bricked area
that
I
looked at
or
like
a patio thing kinda
looks
like
a walkway.
Seems
like there’s
small building
-
small meaning
not
tall
-
looks
like
a
single story building.
Looks
like
it has
a
flat
roof
-
slightly pitched.
Looks
like 4x4 poles supporting
it
-
has
a
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canopy out
over
it.
They
1 re painted white,
place
looks
like very possible
light yellow or cream color.
They’re walking not too
far from that.
Still
seems
to me
that they’re
on
a
dirt pathway.
In the area
that
they’re
in now
I
get
flowers again
- where before
they
kinda
fell
out
of
the
flowers.
Looks
like maybe 80-100 yards from where
they are
-
looks
like
guys
on
a motor
scooter.
They can see
them.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY
IS THE INTEREST TO THIS PLACE?
WHAT’S SPECIAL ABOUT
THIS PLACE?
It seems
to be
a
kind of
a recreational,
relaxed. .. not energetic
-
looks
more relaxed.
I’d say
it’s
kind of combination recreational
and relaxation
area
that
I’m getting out of
it.
That would be
the general character
of
it.
Two aspects
-
one
is aesthetics and
the other
is
a
kind
of
a mild recre-
ational
area.
There
seem
to be
some unique
features
-
I
don't have
it
totally into
context
as
yet.
There’s
a
number
of
things
that
I've rejected
-
looked
at
and rejected saying.
First,
I
got
the impression
that
it was kind of
like
a miniature
golf
course
-
I
rejected
that.
Merely from saying
it
-
I
didn’t reject
the
principle
-
I
just rejected saying
it.
Then
I
kind of got
the
idea
of
a standard golf course
-
I
also rejected
that
on the
same principle,
so
I’m just
trying to describe
the terrain.
Seems expansive
-
doesn’t seem cluttered.
Just
got
a
flash of something that reminded me of
the gyroscope
-
gimbals
on
the gyroscope.
Drinking fountain
-
looks
like
it’s made out
of
kinda
like field stone
built up into
a
fountain.
. .bowl.
I’m going to elevate again and
go
through
a
search quadrant
again.
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I
still get them in that general
location,
so
that
seems
to
set
all
right.
Distance
- maybe
a mile,
mile and
a
half.
Doesn't
seem much farther-
seems
fairly close.
The area has an awful
lot
of grass,
lot
of
trees
-
looks
like dirt walk-
ways,
well
trimmed.
I
can see
the
arbor,
and
the arbor could be
a place
to sit and be out of
the direct
sun.
May
be
a
few little
tables and benches
and chairs
in there.
That outlooks over quite
a grassy area
-
there are quite
a
few trees.
I
see basically an
oak.
Right after
they got out of the car
I
could
see some eucalyptus buds
and branches
on the ground,
and
it seemed like
the
trees were there.
Looked like
they got out of
the
car,
stepped upon
a
curb,
dirt parkway,
a sidewalk,
and then they went into
this
area.
I
get
the feeling
this windmill
type thing -
that all seems fairly
real.
The feeling
is
still
that it's relaxing and has some recreational aspects
-
I
just haven't put
it totally together as
to giving
it
a
name.
Right now
I
get
a
very strong impression of
flowers again.
It seems
like right now they're back
to right where
I
originally spotted
them only
they’re going in the opposite direction
-
like they're moving
toward the direction they originally went.
While they were
there they walked on several pathways
- walked out quite
a ways,
then swung over and come over and worked around and
looked at...
One peculiar thing
I might note
-
so far
I haven't
sensed,
seen nor heard
an airplane.
Cars
seem quite distant
-
outside
of
that
little motor scooter affair
with
the
two guys
on
it.
That's about
the only vehicular traffic
I've
seen
- except out
in
the parking
lot.
It seems
like to me
that
they've got most of
their attention off what
they were
looking at and they've got their attention more on the car
now.
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I want
to look and find out what
the significant thing was
that Bart
was
talking about.
There's something quite unusual
there and
I
...
Damned
if
I
can pick
it
up.
WAS HAL DOING ANYTHING BESIDES WALKING ALONG
- WAS THERE ANY ACTIVITY
FOR HAL TO DO?
Most of
the
time
I was
looking at Hal, he was
kind of listening
to Bart
and Bart was pointing out
a number
of
things.
Part of
the time Bart was walking with Hal;
part of
the
time he was back
by Judy.
When
I
first saw them,
it was Bart
in the
front on the
left
side,
Hal
was on his
right,
Judy was slightly behind
-
almost between Bart and
Hal but behind,
and Phyllis
to her right.
They wandered around but
the
first
time
I picked up
-
they were
that
way.
When they were coming back,
they just about reversed.
Bart would be
in
front.
When
they were coming back,
it
looked like Bart was
in front
with Phyllis,
and Judy was walking more behind Bart and Hal on her right
when they were
coming back out of
there.
They're actually at the
car.
2:30
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