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This
will
be
a
CENTER
LANE
interview
for
0900
hours
8 December
1983.
Relax
and
concentrate
now.
Relax
and
focus
your
attention
solely
and
completely
on
the
individual
in
the
photograph
I’ve
shown
you.
Focus
and
describe
his
location
on
August
1983
,
the
evening
hours
1700
to
2200,
2 August
1983.
He
a.. was
a
he
was
a
watched,
observed
ah..
going
into
a
grayish
stone,
almost
ah.... gray
bluish
building
with
a...
with
a
glass
doors.
Somewhat
old
hotel
type,
three
stories,
(mumble).
He
is
observed
by
a....
by
two
people,
ah.
. .diagonally
across
from
him
on
o pposite ... sides
of
the
street,
that's
the
initia
scenario
.
Okay.
Tell
me
about
what
he
does
inside
this
building
that
he
goes
into.
Okay
The
a
he's
a. .carrying
a. .the
briefcase
in
his
left
hand.
The
ah..
briefcase
is
important.
The
a. ..briefcase.
ah ... contains
a
8x10
ah...
black
and
white
glossies
. there
in
the
.. there
in. the
a...
pocket
or
the
strap
of
the
briefcase
inside.
...Ah...
I
jumping
ahead,
just
a
second
The
a...
I
can't
make
out
what
is
on
the
a.. pictures,
except
there
is
contrast,
big,
huge
contrast,
black
and
white...
with
the
a
focus
ah
the
focus
of
a
...of
attention
on
the
white......
the
portion
of
the
photograph
like .. resembles
,
it's
a.. circular
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Is
the
photograph
landscape,
object
or
person?
No,
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
I
can
only
describe,
it
has
lines,
horizontal,
little
lines
that
you
would
find
on
a
plastic
cover.
It's
not
that
but
it
gives
that
appearance.
There
are
three
series
of
lines
or
layers.
It
was
focused
at
a... it
was
taken
at
very
close
range.
I'm
going
to
get
off
that
kick
now.
Okay
.
Ah... There
is
a,
as
he
came
through
the
glass
door,
there
is
a
reception
desk
on
the
left.
There
is
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ah
.
. a
greenery
that
resembles
a
why
should
I
get
at
some
green,
greenery
plant .. .behind
,
behind
the
desk,
and
behind
the
receptionist,
part
of
the
decor,
I
guess.
As
if
this
is
slow.
Ah...
he's
going
up
a. .white
steps
ah
with
a. ..dark
iron
railing.
I
have
to
wait
The
top
of
the
step
comes
right
faced
to
a
ah .. elevator
(mumble)
goes
left.
It's
a
grayish
rug
with
a
red
border
He's
in
the
second
room
to
the
left
of
the
front,
the
end
of
the
corridor
and
other
part
is
a
window
...The
room
is
dark
or
the
nature
of
this
activity
is
a... under
a
desk
lamp
(mumble)....
a
(mumble)
is..
is
ah
there's
interest
being
shown, by
a
second
man
as
if
to. ..say
a. ...that
a. ...this
step
or
whatever
it
is,
happening
took
place
without
incident
#66:
Describe
the
second
man.
#08:
...(
mumble)
a
twin
bed,
very
dimwitted,
dimlit
(mumble)
in
fact
the
guy's
got
suspenders.
Wait
This
a.. the
activity
under
the
desk
lamp
is
has
to
do
with
little
plastic
or
glass
viles
and
pieces
of
glass
like
slides.
By
the
plastic
viles
are
little
chains,
...small
chains
like
the
old
"dog
tag
chains”
but
much
smaller.
There
the
a.... the
glass
viles
with
a
like
a
pills,
like
aspirin
but
that's
a
distracter,
it's
not
the
real
purpose.
It's
something
about
a
very
small....
piece
of
plastic
(mumble)
work
chip,
I
don't
know
The
a...
the,
the
a.. activity
or
the
discussions
about
the
activity .... are
both
are
legal.... are
plausible
and
a
a
cover
for
a
another
activity
that
is
about
to
10%
illegal.
The
a
nature
of
the
activity
is
contained
in
the,
in
a.. plastic
a
bound
ah... like
lead
plastic
bound
or
books
or
something
like,
something,
it
is
used
to
brief,
to
brief,
used
to
brief
a ... people ... about
the
nature
of
the
legal
activity
that
they're
working
on.
Ah.... this
goes
into
an
o'clock,
midnight.
What
do
you
want
to
pursue?
#66:
Okay,
I'm
interested
in
the
description
of
the
legal
activity
and
the
description
of
the
illegal
activity
#08:
They
all... the
percentages
are
terribly
impressive
so
let
me
start
with
that
The
degree
of
the
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illegal
activities
is
a... only
about
5,
less
than
%
of
the
legal
activity.
The
illegal
activity
is
a...
is
something .. taken
from
the
legal
activity
and
illegally
disseminated,
distributed
or
given.
....I
have
to
wait
don,t
know,
this
gets complicated here
Break
it
out.
representation
me
start
again
It
has
to
do
with
of
interest
Two. ...let
....Representation
of
one
interest
public
relations
is
.and
the
illegal
to
a
foreign
interest,,
involved
or... a
form
there
of.
activity
is
two
fold,
one,
two.
It's
a
disclosure
of
part
of
the
interest .. represented
to
the
other
interest
And
the
highly
questionable
second
part
is
to.... have
the
parties
of
the
second
interest ... make
them
believe
that
a... that
this
guy
has
doubled
himself
against
the
first
interest
to
the
nature
of
.The
a.
. .raw
data
answer
to
the
nature
and
I'm
losing
it,
is
a.. books,
books,
books
and
a.
. .information
not
necessarily
classified
but,
just
say
that
because
it
just
came
as
books,
that
information.
Okay.
Anything
else
to
add
at
this
time?
No,
I
think,
I
think
it's
going.
Okay.
Now
as
you
lose
your
perceptions,
I
want
you
to
remember
and
recall
everything
that
you
perceived
Okay
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EXPLANATION
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Okay.
I
picked
him
up
in
front
of
this
a.. glass
entrance
door
of
a.. stone
building,
grayish,
almost
steel
blue,
'cause
it
was
quite ... ah .. dark
appearing,
and
the
idea
of
an
arch
or.. cover
over
the
doorway
was
present.
I
had
him
there.
I
got
the
distinct
impression
that
he
was
being
surveilled
from
two
points
diagonallly
left
and
right,
down
the
street
one
man
was
already
in
place,
one
man
had
already
followed
him
there
and
I
saw
this
vision
sort
of
zooming
in
on
him.
That's
where
I
picked
him
up.
What
type
of
a
place
was
this
he
was
going
in?
It
was,
certainly
turned
out
to
be
a
hotel
as
far
as
I
know.
Okay
Ah.. and
I
later
sort
of,
from
this
still
shot
and
as
I
examined
it,
I
kind
of
let
it
run
afterwards
and
he
crossed
through
the
glass
doors
and
picked
up
his
key
from
the
receptionist
which
was
on
the
left,
trying
to
describe
the
oddities
of
that
receptionist.
Trying
to
describe
some
type
of
fern
or
green
ah ... greenery
that
she
had
behind
her
key
boxes
sort
of
a
.
.
. a
.
.
. thing
to
liven
up
the
place
a
little
bit.
And
from
there
he
went
up white
stone
stairwell
with
a... with
a
iron
railing
with
sorts
which
leads
right
up
to
in
front
of
an
elevator
in
fact
the
elevator
opened
but
he
never
even
got
in,
he
went
to
the
left
which
I
think
placed
him
on
the
second
floor.
And
went
down
the
hall.
I
was
trying
to
look
at
the
carpeting,
carpeting
again
appeared
very
dim
and
gray.
It
could
be
the
poor
light
but
it
had
a
little
red
border.
I
followed
him
all
the
way
down
the
hall.
And
at
the
end
of
the
hall
there's
a
window
and
he
was
either
in
the
second
,
last
to
second
room
from
the
last
on
the
left.
Then
I
was
trying
to
determine
the
nature
of
the
activity
that
took
place.
Oh,
let
me
back
track.
After
I
had
him
coming
through
the
doors,
my
focus
was,
of
attention
was
directed
towards
this
damn
briefcase
and
difficult
for
me
to
see
and
photographs
piled
on
one
another,
maybe
four
or
five,
maybe
as
many
as
eight,
maybe
less,
ah... either
5x7s
or
8x10s
,
glossies
and
I
was
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trying
to
see
through
that
to
give
me
an
idea
what
the
hell
was
so
important
about
the
photographs.
And
all
I
got
was
a... really
clashing
perspective
of,... within
the
framework
of
the
photograph,
a
black
background
and
a
concentration
on
something
white
in
the
center,
which
looked
like
a
reel
of
slides.
There’s
was,
it
was,. ..I
call
that
serrations
or
lines
and
that's
the
best
I
could
describe
it.
It
was
like
a
basic
tier
on
top
of
a
smaller
tier
and
on
top
of
a
smaller
tier
with
a
little
cover,
it
looked
like
a
thermos
top,
clear
plastic
thermos
top.
And
I
can't
describe
it
any
further
.
#66:
Okay.
Part
of
the
picture
looked
to
you
to
be
similar
to
a
carousel
that
fits
on
a
slide
projector?
#08:
Yes,
because
of
the
serrations.
#66:
Okay.
It
was
circular with
little
serrations?
#08:
Yes.
#66:
Okay.
And
go
on
from
there.
#08:
And
then
on
top
of
a... all
in
one
piece,
this
would
have
been
the
bottom
piece
and
like
there
would
have
been
another
carousel
on
top
of
that
one,
but
smaller
and
something
else
on
top
of
that
with
a
plastic
cover
and
a
few
lines.
It
didn't
make
sense
but
the
area
of
concentration
of
interest
was
in
that
white
portion
of
the
picture.
It's
just
the
best
I
could
do
with
the
picture.
#66:
Okay,
so
and
then
you
said
it
was
taken
close
up
as
though
this
were
something
that
was
taken
quite
close
to this?
#08:
Yes,
yes.
#66:
And
it
was
circular
and
progressively
smaller,
like
conical
in
the
sense
that
it
got
smaller
but
it
was
made
up of individual
like
circles.
#08:
Yes.
This
was
definitely
a
very
small
article
that
was
blown
up.
#66:
Oh,
I
see,
okay.
You
had
the
perception
that
this
was
something
smaller--
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