Approved For Release SECRET
CIA-RDP96-00788R001 900200001 -0
HOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS
I AGPA-F-SD
10 June
1983
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary
- CL-1021/8305/08
(U)
1.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
On
090900
June
1983,
Source
#08
was
interviewed
by
#66
concerning
the
activities
within
an
unidentified
structure.
The
project
8305
sponsor
had
provided
a
photograph
of
the
structure
( see
Incl
)
.
2.
( S/CL-3/NOFORN )
For
this
interview
source
was
shown
the
photograph
provided
by
the
sponsor.
Source
was
asked
to
focus
his
attention
on
the
structure
in
the
photograph
and
describe
the
activities
in
the
interior
area.
No
further
identifying
information
was
provided
to
source
as
the
collection
plan
called
for
the
use
of
this
information
as
"feedback"
and
cuing
material
for
possible
subsequent
interviews.
3.
(U)
A
transcript
of
the
interview
was
prepared
including
a
narrative explanation
of
the drawings which
source provided
(see
Incl
2 ).
4.
(U)
A
DA
Form
341
(Agent
Report)
was
prepared
for
the
sponsor.
This
report
related
the
salient points
of
the
interview.
Attached
as
an
exhibit
to
the
Agent
Report
was
a
copy
of
source's
drawings
(see
Incl
)
.
Incl
as
FREDERICK H.
ATWATER
CPT,
MI
OPS/TNG Officer
CLASSIFIED
BY:
Cdr
,
INSCOM
DECL :
OADR
CENTER LANE
SECRET
Approved For Re\es®&WimW1^9^#W§b%
J8f88R00A 900200001-0
SG1B Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900200001-0 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900200001 -0
Approved For Release 2000/0
rtrnnrT
96-00788R001 900200001 -0
TRANSCRIPT
#66:
This
will
be
a
CENTER LANE
Interview
for
0900
hours
(9)
June
1983.
Relax
and
concentrate
now.
Focus
your
attention
on
the
building
in
the
photograph
I've
shown
you.
Focus
today
(9)
June
1983,
and
describe
the activity
inside
the building
to me.
PAUSE
#08:
The
activity
is
a.... being
done
by
a... workers
in
white
coveralls.
The
activity .... involves .. a
great
deal
of ... assembly
through,
through
electrical
welding
.
The
a
.
.
#66:
Simply
describe
your
perceptions
of
activity
you
perceive
.
#08:
..A
great
deal
of
a.. of
a....
stations
within
the
building
welding ... .very
shiny
metal....
the.,
metal
takes
on
the
shape
something
.
.of
a
number
of
involved
with
.and
once
assembled
of
a
.
. fuselage
or
#66:
Rather
than labeling
the shape.
describe
the shape.
#08:
...A rounded nose
cone
. .highly
.
.
. .polished.
.
.
#66:
Describe
the
#08:
—Thin
#66:
Describe
the shape
and
size.
#08:
Okay.
I
can
tell
you
what
it
is
not.
There's
nothing
flat
about
the
end
product,
everything
is
rounded,
rounded.
#66:
In
this
roundness,
describe
the
relative
size.
..Perhaps comparative
in size
#08:
Yes,
hang
on
(mumble)
#66:
— to
these people
in white.
#08:
That's what
I'm doing.
#66:
All
right.
I will wait.
K0T
I, m£IGMArImis
CENTNHrftNE
Release 2000/08/0
iH-CiiLl
0788R001 900200001-0
Approved For Release 200
DP96-00788R001 900200001 -0
|08:
8,
feet
in
diameter
I
have
a
hard
time getting
the
length.
#66:
Okay,
describe
the process
#08:
—About
or
times
the
length
of
a man
in
length.
#66:
Urn,
urn.
#08:
Okay,
go ahead.
#66:
Now,
describe
this
process
which
you
have
going
on
in
this building.
#08:
Again,
the
process
is
one
of
assembly
of
these... of
these sections
together.
And
the
idea
of
a.. and
the
impression,
the
picture
of
a .. sophisticated
welding
of
this .. .highly
polished
thin
material
is
predominant
It's
the
assembly
point
of
the
vehicle,
I
can
not
tell you anymore.
#66:
Okay,
the
. .building
that
I've
displayed
in
the
photograph
#08:
Yes.
#66:
— is very
large.
#08:
Yes.
#66:
In
looking
at
this
as
though
it
were
a
dollhouse
perceptive
#08:
Yes.
#66:
Kind
of walk me through
from one side
to
the other.
#08:
Yes
The
a
There
are
divisions
in
the
building
but
they're
theoretical,
they're
the
size
of
a... of
a.... divided
into
stalls
the
size
of
small
garages
without
. .without
the
walls
separating
one
section
to
the
next.
There
would
be,
oh
my
god,
. .Gees. .. .let's
just
say
an
extensive
number,
cause
I
can't count
them all.
#66:
Okay.
Go
on.
#08:
Counting
may
be.. 22
,
plus
stalls... and
each
one
is
equipped
like
an
independent
work
shop...
They
or Release 2000/08/08
J2&&r00788R001 900200001 -0
Approved For Release 2000/0^i8^
,OltRDP96-00788R001 900200001-0
are.. columns
of
the... that protrude
ever
so slightly
in
front
of
the wall
and
these
are
the
divisions
of
these garage stalls,
garage stalls.
#66:
Describe what goes
on
in
the stall
areas.
#08:
These
stall
areas
have
about
or
persons .. .again
in... white
coveralls
and white
hats,
hard hats
and again
the .. .purpose
of
the
stall
is
to
work
on... the
assembly
portion
of .. .whatever
the
hell
that
is.. and
the
impression
of
a. ..welding,
particularly electric welding
is predominant.
#66:
Okay,
now
that
you
are
perceiving
a
singular
stall
in
a
confined
area,
describe
the
size
of
the
object
on which
they're working.. and
the shape.
#08:
....It
is
very
important
to
realize
that
the
metal
is not
flat,
that
the
entire process
is
on
contoured
sheets
of
metal.
And
each
stall,
that
particular
stall,
and
each
stall
is
responsible
for
the assembly
of
that portion
that belongs
to
a. ..the
assembly ... of
this
contoured,
sheeted
material.
They're
That's about
the best
I
can
do
for
you.
#66:
All
right.
Let's
see
if
I
understand.
In
these
individual
stalls
workmen
are
charged
with
manufacturing
or
working
on
a
particular
piece
of
metal which may be
a section
to something here.?
#08:
Yes,
for
assembly ,.. for
assembly
in
the
center
of
this building.
#66:
Okay.
Now,
I'd
like
to
move
then,
you
suggested
that
there's
another
area
here
besides
the
division
of
the
stall area?
#08:
No,
the
a... the
vehicle
or
vehicles
or
portions
of
vehicle
are .. assembled.
. eventually
to
the
center
of
the building.
#66:
Okay.
#08:
The
individual
contoured
material
is
worked
at
from
the
bench,
so
to
speak,
which
are
the
stalls
and
then
assembled .. in
part.. in
the
center
of
the
building
and
the
end
result
is... a
curved,
a
hollow.
. .rounded
tube
of
highly
polished
material.
It's... not
finished
in
there,
the
assembly
is
not
completed
in
there.
P96-00788R001 900200001 -0
Approved For Release 2000/TJ$£MT
l
96-00788R001 900200001 -0
#66:
Okay.
Let
me
see
if
I
can,
if
I
accurately
understand what you've
said here.
#08:
Go
ahead.
#66:
You
have
initially
described
something
that
is
very
round and
is perhaps
in diameter
larger
than
a man
#08:
—That was
the
impression
at
the
time.
#66:
—And
in
length
#08:
—That
was
the
overall
product .. after
assembly.
It's.. it
may
not
be
germane
to
the
specific
time
frame
#66:
Okay.
At
one
point
you
did
talk
about
these
round
shapes
#08:
Yes.
#66:
Okay.
Then we moved
into
an
area
that
you
described
as
stalls.
#08:
Yes.
#66:
And
in
these
stalls,
some
sort
of
electrical
welding,
some
sort
of manufacture
of
some
pieces
of
something
#08:
Yes.
#66:
And these
are shiny metal.
#08;
Yes.
#66:
Or polished metal?
#08:
Yes.
#66:
Now,
there
is
a... Under
the
building
structure,
within
the
building
structure,
there's
an
area
different
from
the
stall
area
where
some
pieces
of
something
are put
into some other
form?
#08:
Say
that again.
#66:
Okay.
The building
itself has
a
stall area
& rrsfa
CENTEMM!
r Release 2000/(&f0^BA^RDP96-00788R001 900200001 -0
Approved For Release 20
P96-00788R001 900200001 -0
gloss
of
the
metal
is
present .. .and
the
finished
portion
in
terms
of
the .. responsibility
of
the
stall
is... a portion.... a portion
of
what
the
end
product
will
be.
Perhaps
I
can explain that
later.
#66:
Yes,
I
think drawing
it
will
be helpful.
I
want
you
to
remember
in
your
mind
now
this
concept
you
have
of
the
layout
of
the
building
so
that
you
can
draw
it
for
me.
#08:
Sure.
#66:
Okay,
do you have anything
further?
#08:
Are we done?
#66:
Yes,
just remind you
that you
said,
"Polished
#08:
Yes.
#66:
—Electrical welding
#08:
Yes.
#66:
— I
believe
you
said
a
clean
atmosphere
as
opposed
to
a mechanics
atmosphere?
#08:
Yes,
that's
very
important,
the
end
product
involved,
the .. destined
for aerodynamic purposes.
#66:
Okay.
#08:
Probably flight.
#66:
Okay,
Anything else?
#08:
No.
#66:
Okay that's
fine.
A
For Release 2000/08/1
RDP96-00788R001 900200001 -0
Approved For Release 2000/
6-00788R001 900200001 -0
DRAWING EXPLANATION
#08:
#08:
Okay,
sketch
#1
which
is
the
overview
of
the
long
building
in question.
Okay,
what
I. perceive
there
was,
were
very
clean
work
areas
divided
almost
theoretically
by
pillars
with
a.. with
stalls
along
through
the entire building which appeared
to me
to
be
very
huge
when
I
looked
at
the
width
of
one
individual
stall,
to give me
an
idea
of
perspective
and length,
I
came
up with
about
a
stall width
that
was
about
feet wide,
really
to
feet wide.
And that
just
seemed
impossible,
but
that
s what
it
came
out
to
be.
The
a.. also
very,
very
important
impressions
at
the
beginning,
which
I'll
will
elaborate
on
in
sketch
#2
was
one
of
overhanging
welding
equipment
with
workers
dressed
in
white
coveralls
and
white
hard
hats
and
whose
responsibility
was
to
work
and
weld
these
metal
plates,
which
were
not
really
plates,
they're
all
contoured,
again
that
seemed
very
important,
in
terms
of
impressions
that
the
plates
were
never
really
flat
at
the
entire
activity,
surrounded
the
fact
that
these
plates
were
contoured
like
a
huge
pipe.
There
was
nothing
flat
about
anything
involved
here.
Also
an
initial
impression,
even
before
I
started
the
session,
was
one
of
a
huge
nose
cone
which
seemed
to
be
a
principle
part
of
the
assembly
of
this,
this... this
activity
that
resulted
in
the weldings
of
portions
of
this
thing
into
this
nose
cone.
So
much
for
sketch
#1
about
the overview.
Sketch
#2
is
a
result
of
impressions
as
to
try
and
figure
out
what
the
actual
object
was
and
the
impressions
I
had
was
that
it
had
something
to
do
with
aerodynamics,
that
it was
extremely
important,
aero
dynamics
was
very,
very
important.
That
the
metal
in question was
thin,
but
very
tough
and very
shiny,
in
that
the
welding
had
to
be
very,
very
accurate
and
somewhat
sophisticated
so
as
not
to
leave
and
bumps
or
anything,
that
this
had
to
be
very
smooth.
Tried
to
get
an
idea
of. the
size
of
the
objects
that
ended
up
as
being
big
cylinders
and
I
got
the
impression,
trying
to
measure
the
length
of
a
person,
they
were
about
feet
in
diameter.
And when
I
tried
to measure
the
length,
I
got
lost,
but
it was
about
or
times,
times
P
r Release 20
A RDP96-00788R001 900200001 -0
Approved For Release 2000/00^11, UIJ^PILUl JB-00788R001 900200001-0
# 66 :
#08:
# 66 :
#08:
# 66 :
#08:
# 66
:
#08:
# 66
:
#08:
# 66
:
#08:
# 66
:
#08:
the
length
of
a
man,
which
doesn't make
sense.
But
that
turned
out
to
be
about
feet.
But
that
is
an
impression
of
an
assembly
after
completion
or
melding
of
parts.
And
I’m
not
too
sure
if
this
involves
the
entire
vehicle
in
question,
or
the
entire object
in question.
And
does
this
final
assembly
take
place
in
this
building?
I
didn't think
so,
because what
I were
a
series
of,
of
a,
of
assembly
of
parts
that
were
hanging
on
these overhead
cranes,
if
you wish,
with
supporting
wire
guides.
This
was
the
completion
of
’-hat
portion
of
the
activity
for
which
this
particular
building
was
responsible
for
doing.
That
s
the
best was
I
can describe
it.
Okay.
That
description
seems
to
say
that
in
the
center part
of building
you
saw
things hanging
from
chains
that were components
or
parts
They were guides,
not
chains.
Oh,
I
see,
guide.
It's
all
right.
But
as
opposed
to
links,
these
were straight cables.
Oh,
cable type
as
opposed to chains?
Yeah,
yes.
Okay,
but they were suspended from
Yes,
eventually they hold the assembled
But
as
to
a
final
assembled
product,
you
didn
t
necessarily see one?
No,
I
didn't
see
it
there.
Maybe
that
comes
at
a
later
phase,
I
don't
know,
that
would
take
something else
to
find that
out.
Okay,
so
But
this
is
not
the
end
product.
It
is
the
end
product
as
to the purpose
of
the
assembly plant,
so
to
speak,
but
that
is
not
the
end
product
of
(mumble)
object.
r Release 2000/08/08
P96-00788R001 900200001 -0
ernnrr
Approved For Release 28?SIIIDRC|Ia-RDP96-00788R001 900200001-0
#66:
So,
do
I
understand
that
sketch
#2
may
be
more
in
the realm of
a concept drawing?
#08:
Absolutely,
because when
you
see
these portions
and
however
big
they,
even
when
you're
talking
feet
in
diameter,
what
I
was
trying
to
get
at,
was
an
idea
of what
the
overall
purpose would
be
later
on,
or
what
it would
look
like
later
on.
And
I
really
got
lost because
this
thing
I
came
up with
which
I
sketched
with
dotted
lines
at
the
bottom
of
the
page,
the
diameter
was
no
problem,
but
the
length
was
just
fantastic
in
terms
of footage,
feet.
#66:
Okay.
#08:
I
had
a
very
tough
time
coming
up
with
that,
because
I
got
lost
in
the
length
of
the
thing,
so
I
said,
how many times
can
I
put
the body
in
there
to
come
to
an equivalent
length
of
the object.
#66:
Okay.
#08:
That's where
the
feet
came
in.
#66:
But
it
would
be
safe
for
me
to
assume
that
in
a
portion
of
this
building,
there
are
hanging
on
cables
are
#08:
— In
the center.
#66:
— are,
in
the
center,
are
these
rounded
metal
welded
things.
#08:
Yes,
yes.
And
I
don't know why
the nose
cone
is
in
there,
but
that
was
an
initial
impression,
I
think
it belongs
there.
#66:
Okay.
Do have anything else
to add?
#08:
No,
no nothing.
#66:
Okay,
fine.
*r-.
j'
,;
f-
">'»»• f*
Y
>r<Svfd
Release 2000/08)0S“:^IA“-Rt>P96-00788R001 900200001 -0
a — sevbyy @usdoang/m wavy A7TEWISSH - — —_ — —_ —— —_ — & bo 6 ™ < @& 3
Approved For ReleSSb 2000/,
uiTii
P96-007$fk001 900200001 -0
AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(0; AR 381-20;
•*"> prapormnf o«®ney I* the Office of the Aesutont Chief of Staff for |ntalltB«nc*.
t
NAME Of SUBJECT OS TITLE Of INCIDENT
UNIDENTIFIED BUILDING
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
3.
DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
L-1021/83Q5/08
On
June
1983,
Source
CL-08
was
interviewed
concerning
the
activities
within
an
unidentified
structure.
Source
stated substantially
as
follows:
The
building
or
portion
of
the
building
described
by
Source
consisted
of
a
well
lit
assembly
area
with
overhead
cranes.
This
assembly area
was
centered between
perhaps
to
individual
stalls
or
work
shops
the
size
of
small
garages
(see drawing
1).
in
the
individual
stalls
or
workers
(not
further
identified
)
,
dressed
in
white
coveralls
and
white
hard
hats
,
assembled/made
components
or
pieces
of
a
vehicle
(not
further
identified
)
.
These
pieces
were
made
with
great
care
using
overhanging
electrical welding
equipment.
The separate pieces
were
contoured
metal
plates/sheets
which
Source
described
as
being
rounded,
thin,
very
tough,
very
shiny. and polished.
The
welding
of
this
highly
polished
thin
material
was
sophisticated
so
as
to
insure
the
end
product
was
very
smooth.
These
components
or
pieces were
then
put
together
in
the
center
assembly
area
to make
"portions"
of
a
vehicle
(not
further
identified
)
.
In
the
center
area
there were
assemblies
of polished metal
sheets
hanging
from
cables
.
These
"parts"
were
the
end
product
produced
in
this
building
or
portion
of
this
building
.
The
final
assembly
of
a
vehicle
(not
further
identified
)
did not
take place
her e
.
Source
was
unable
to
report
information
pertaining
to
the
final
application
or
use
of
the
contoured
metal
plates.
He
did,
however
,
report
that because
of
their
roundness
they may
WARNING NOTICE:
SENSITIVE
INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND
METHODS
INVOLVED
CLASSIFIED
BY:
CDR,
INSCOM
DECL :
OADR
NOT RELEASABLE
TO FOREIGN
NATIONALS
( continued
)
5-
TYPED NAMS AND ORGANIZATION Of SPECIAL AGIN?
4. SIGNATUee O# SPECIAL AGiM
FopReleas€'<20
®F96-OO788RO(yi3TyO20O‘OO
t
f*-t)
Approved For Rele?f§fe 200
P96-007£ffc001 900200001 -0
AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see
F M 30 17(C); AR 381-20;
proponent aflancy
it the Offle* of
As- tUtont Ch ip! of Staff for Intel! i panes.
1. NAME op SUBJECT OR TlTtE OF INCIDENT
UNIDENTIFIED BUILDING
2.
DATE SUBMITTED
3, CONTROL SYMBOL OR Fill NUMBER
£:L- 102 1/8305/08
4.
REPORT Of FINDINGS
have
something
to
do
with
an
aerodynamic
purpose.
Source
provided
a
concept
sketch
(see
drawing
2)
of
how
a
final
product might
look.
Source was
very unsure
about
this
concept
sketch
.
No
further
amplifying
information
concerning
unidentified
structure was obtained from Source during
this
interview.
Attached
hereto
as
EXHIBIT
I
are
drawings
provided
by
Source
.
5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
ft
tommh
DA i%ftp344l FcmFteteased©00/08/&8**
se-ooisammwmvmm-ti
St2— 3MK f -§4®j®ttS
mmwzmgsmsgi
. rrsTOFCTBogairasiggTM
»•.mmKBHW’lt »:. W5*»%l!??«»ri
' •^>*«we SB#*
wphpjhww'IWWw
‘
ornnCT _
Approved For Release 2O(HB0EWUUV-RDP96-OO788ROO1 900200001 -0
US ARMY
INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY
COMMAND
EXHIBIT
COVER SHEET
SUBJECT:
UNIDENTIFIED BUILDING
FILE NUMBER:
a- 1021/™
PREPARING UNIT:
AGENT REPORT DATED:
DESCRIPTION:
Approved For Release 2000/08/08
: Cl
HOT RELEASABLE 10 FOREIGN NATIONALS
REGRADE! UNCLASSIFIED
„6-00788R0019PP»«WIfiD FROM
I
classified INCLISURES
I A Label
sf : 7 7 _ : 5 3 x 2 on . en 2 g v2 ss = ae Seu bya OVPHOZNG/M WEY Azraw 25S 5 ' 0 — ~ appiaed u-For-Release-2000/08/ et | ! | ONGIAYBAQG -y tart eav?
96-00788R001900200001-0 Feenstra a | ee = > ——e <e2 «a mee eee ace ay, ae \ i t 96-00788R001900200001-0 f\ aigin Approved For Release 2000/08/08.