Approved For Release 2003/0909 FFIEC RAR foo Psrov0s00250001-9 #31: #66: #31: +36 #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: It's not that far. It's about..first number that popped .into my mind is nine, and that was a straight shot, nine. That was like in the direct line of sight. Possibly nine miles but I was feeling nine, more like nine kilometers straight shot. But that because of the terrain if you were to put a ground crew in there to move from the town it'd be considerably long distance they'd have to go. Because they have to go aorund the shoulder of the intervening hillside. That might make it 15 or 16 miles or kilometers by ground. All right. Now...from the crash site there's one other terrain feature which might help us locate your present position of observation. Without wihking to this key terrain feature, look now for the known terrain feature, Piedra Blanca. Look now for the known terrain feature, Piedra Blanca... I'm getting the feeling that this is to my...ten o'clock.. Looking north up a hillside it's sorta off, hillside or mountainside, it's off to my left front at..possibly...three hundred and..ten or so degrees. It's just like half of a 90 degree angle to my left. Distance?.... Thirty...kilometers. Tlirty kilometers. All right. Very, very good. I have no further questions about Army 711, but now is the time for you to explore and comment. Now is the time for you to look at the target, Army 711, and provide me with that most eritical information which you feel is pertinent to our locating Army 7ll. I will wait. PAUSE Say, um....-loaking down from what I've been referring to as a mountaintop, this is a high piece of terrain, but it's not, still I'm way up high, I'm above it, but I still feel that I'm not above the treeline. It's a massive, rolling, high hill, as opposed to a jagged, craggy mountain with rocks exposed. But as I was up~ I don't know if this is wishful thinking or not- but as I was up on this, above it looking down at this big, lush, green carpet rolling down, I had the feeling that there was a radio tower up here somewhere. Some sort of a microwave tower, way out in the middle of no- where, and it would be used to transmit over a long distance. That was in the direction of the Piedra Blanca, or whatever it is. So that when I was up on the hilltop and I was feeling that there was something up on the hilltop here, some struc- ture, when I shot back at the site it was essentially the same direction as that one that I gave before. Okay, this tower like thing? Approved For Release 20 Soha cofe ra] corssrov0s002s00019
ya Approved For Release 2o0$uipfas (6) Rtfpes fpo7ssr000800250001-9 #31: Yeah. #66: Okay. Teil me a little bit more about it. #31: Well, it..feeling is like it's some isolated, god-forsaken outpost of some microwave station or something. Feeling is like..the feeling is like a ranger station and a little hootch down on the base of it and then this big tower sticking up. But I don't think it's a ranger station, I think it's something like a microwave relay tower or something. It's just carved out of the jungle. #66: Now, I want you to take a look at it so that you can depict it in relationship to the target site.... Let's prepare to draw now the impressions you've had, to include this unusual tower or shaft that you have found. #31: Okay... Okay, first of all, I think we can- I feel that the sessions, the area that I was in with the- although I seem to have made some verbal and imagery modifications, uh, essentially the layout of the area still remain the same. I don't know if that's good or bad, but... Uh, sketch one is looking north from the bottom of the valley. Someone sitting and looking at sketch one, to.their rear would be the village, up over an intervening hillside. The creek is at my feet. I'm at treetop level. Uh, feeling, uh, that I'm right in the foothill of this mountain that's looming on the horizon in the north,.quadant. Okay? The ground begins to slope uphill, as it does usually ina foothill type situa- tion, and all I can see is just treetops. Then there seems to be some sort of a line in the treetops. That's the important thing to remember~ the line in the treetop reveals the line of the cut in.the underlying terrain. It's a place where the terrain on the hillside is unusually flat. Instead of contin- uing its uphill slope it levels off, so as to look almost like a rainwashed gulley that might now be grown in with trees. But it makes a flat feeling on the side of the mountain..in the treetops. Okay, and on the uphill slope of that flat feeling, I personally do not believe there's very much which is evidenced from above. But if there is anything evident you might be able to detect some burnt or scorehed trees on the uphill side of the cut. The reason is because the, because of the flat part and they're uphill, they're not, their burned and scarred areas are not masked by surrounding foliage, like anywhere else it would be. But it just happens that it's on the cut, so you might be able to see some of it. Because there aren't trees all around those trees. Those trees are higher than the trees below. #66: If you get an angle where you're looking at the cut, as opposed to being directly overhead. 7 Approved For Release 25 for fre for gs-007e2R000600250001-9
Approved For Release 2003/0 F.C EPR f.00fsero00600250001-9 #31: Overhead, yeah. Treetop level up the creek, looking uphill.. uh, might be a solution. And again, I don't know. You know, you, I know everybody is very, very eager to find this thing from the air. I had a shot where I was peeking down through triple canopy forest and I just happened to think that the helicopter was down below me. I didntt really see anything that was down there. Uh, so I don't know if this is a..wishful thinking situation, you know, because it's sort of been, it's urgent that we be able to see the helicopter, so I may have fabricated a situation. which you can see evidence of the crash site. I don't know. Jungle and trees all over. And this cut is just like a little, long dimple in the hillside, a dimple in the foliage... Okay. Okay, uh, from the crash site to this Piedra Blanca, whatever that is, I had the feeling that it was uphill and over the shoulder of the mountain, and that it was somewhere else. It was on another mountain, or ain the direction of another moun- tain. Uh, and that ib was about 30 kilometers..over into a neighboring valley or something or up on the neighboring moun- tainside. Um, oh, uphill in the- upstream in the creek was the- to the left of sketch one is where the small huts, like a small abandoned Indian village, I mean Indian Indian village. I mean, I was getting imagery of the pot belly with the bone through the nose and the G-string, you know, that type of Indian village. That's about all there is on sketch one. Okay, sketch two is like a terrain map. Oh, and of course sketch one to the réght is east, north is up top. Let me write that in. #66: So the reason is that the only place you really have a chance at seeing the crash site is if you look towards the crash site from tree level down near the creek. #31: Right. #66: Okay. #31: Uh, the, uh, there are, let me note some differences between precstdtang. sessions, somethin’ that I didn't really talk about during the session. The feeling of a cut in the level area is still there. Um, the cut has mellowed and lessened in distinction, or distinctability. I don't know if that's a real word or not, but..like it's- whereas in preced 1n9. sessions I had the feeling this was a recent dry wash and it was very, very sharp and contoured and bare mud, bare rock, exposed, craggy, dry, and that there was essentially no jungle in it. In this session I had the feeling that this was a- still a land form, still a terrain feature, but that it was not- it was overgrown. You know, but that it might have been older than I had recognized in prtestesg, sessions. tLess distinct. #66: Okay. 8 Approved For Release 295 forcG3 fi for f-007e8R000800250001-9
Approved For Release 2003/6@loB= A, BRBS-Of7eR000600250001-9 #31: Uh, you know, having sludge and jungle and garbage in it right along with the rest of the hillside. Some bamboo and banyan trees and that kinda stuff right in it, growing in it, where it's been there so long that there are actually trees growing in the cut. Sorta like an abandoned fire break. You know that type of thing? An abandoned fire break where you got jungle alongside it, or trees alongside it, and you know there -used to be a path here, there used to be a fire break here, but there's still, now there are little sapling and stuff, smaller stuff growing right up in the middle of it. That's the flavor of it in this session. Okay. Sketch two. It's a overhead, terrain map. My poor rendition of a terrain situation. The general, uh, as. I said earlier- the general, uh, valley contouring and outline... remained essentially the same as before. This thing is on the south side of a mountain, but it's not a craggy, jagged, above the treeline mountain. It is a bulging, gently contoured, loaf shaped mountain, that dcesn't go above the treejline. There's trees, jungle all the way over it. But it's a fair size, pretty damn fair size mountain. It connects in the terrain to another mountain that's to the left and behind it that has, I felt, was in the same direction, the same azimuth, as this Piedra Blanca, and had this microwave relay type of station up on it. Looking towards sunrise was- with my orientation north and uphill sunrise was a little bit to the rear of my right shoulder. Sorta like back like that. And when I turned to. lock east down the valley, very, very significant to me was- not signi- ficant, but actually very, very beautiful to me was the sun playing off an intervening spur that comes down from the north. Which I've drawn on the map here. Right at sunrise, you know, you cast that shadow, the blanket of night is still where I am, but you can see the sun on the moun- on the..on the trees, you know, of the spur, the trees that go over the spur. Turning to the south, um, oh, the crash site of course, the creek is the central thing and the crash site if four or five hundred yards up from the creek. Turning and looking south on sketch two, uh, the rought azimuth to the old village that I. talked about was about 160 degrees. Line a crow flies would be about mine kilometer. And if you had to walk around by the creek, ‘cause that's the only way you can get into this area is by the creek bank, or the creek. Be about 15 kilometers around that way, I guess. Uh, and looking to the south, the sketch of which I am not done, looking to the south then is a steeper slope coming up out of the valley. And that's the Flat top. I think that's the flat top mountain. It seemed to me to be a regular..regular shaped mountain. That's about all I got. #66: Okay. How do you feel about this session? 9 Approved For Release 200 aphex (GAR Essbo7sa000800250001-9
Approved For Release 200s/0gfey EGR Po pPor00600250001-9 #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: Well, I don't know. I, uh, I felt all right. It's always difficult when you Christmas tree on your sessions, or when you pyramid on.your sessions, rather, to make sure that you don't have an unnecessary overload. And, um, but in the same sense when you get something that's different than before it makes you worry about it. You know, so..I felt good. I think the focus was good. I was relaxed okay. Uh, but when you're..the question of- one thing I've learned. It's like trying to find out where you are in the middle of the ocean. I mean, I might as well be in the middle of the ocean. ‘'Cause the availability of identifiable features is very- I mean, it's not like you're standing in front of a white dome shaped building. You say, ah, right there it is. So when you start asking questions about where I am, you know, it makes me reluctant, because I don't know if I'm just fabri- you know, you don't know if you're wishful thinking, you're making some- thing to look at to talk about, because it's all just a blanket of forest. I mean, you know, essentially what I'm saying is all things being considered it felt good, but all things being considered you were asking me some questions over again that I had answered before that if they're bad then I'm bad again, because I had nothing to do but just go back, I could only do, go back and check my previous data. The only thing that might be new- well obviously, the only thing that is new in the session is Piedra Blanca. That's a. terrain feature there. And we've got some azimuths and directions which they needed. Yeah. Okay? Which they needed, yeah. I guess, I wish ‘em luck. Okay. * Approved For Release ooostogips Ko frOEts-Jorser000600250001-9
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