#46: #663 #46: #66: #46: +33 #66: HAG: #66: #46: #66: #46: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : GIA:RI Con ay ahs -00788R000400610001-1 Well, two military strictly maintenance people... The civilian is a tech person. Something about handling and manipulating that thing....about direction...I can't pin- point it........ Finding something about direction...maybe guidance, I don't know, I...it just has to do with directions and azimuths. Okay. Explain- it might help, now~ explain for me the exper- ience you have that causes you to~ Cause his main function is the, is just that, winding through his technical know-how...that apparatus outside, which has something to do with alignment and direction. All right. That's good, That's very good. Let us examine the problem from a different perspective now.... You have accessed and described the target here from the perspective of the people there. Ask yourself now, when he is successful in doing what he does, what does he report to his superiors? Ask yourself, what does he report to his superiors? Oh, this is......tough to express. What he essentially reports is that it can be done this way...and it has something to do with... There's something I wanted to say (mumbling)... Has some- thing to do with relay and...(mumbling).......where he kinda takes over where somebody left off, or he initiates something that somebody else takes over from some other side. He spends his entire time doing these things. That's the best I can describe it. All right. You have addressed the question what does he report to his superiors? Yeah, that it can be done this way is successful in doing this. Okay. Or that he was picking up from somebody else at a given point, Now let's turn and rephrase the question. For this you will have to broaden your horizons and deal very, very precisely with the problem at hand. Ask yourself now what is it his superiors want to know? His superiors...like to know more...realize that if he can, if he is successful under these circumstances...then he can be successful...in reality. He can be successful in doing what he's doing, it can be used to be successful...what they're trying to achieve... It has to do with the guidance system... -00788R000400610001 -1
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: 00788R000400610001 -1 And what is it they want to guide? T don't know. I didn't understand you.sseses I said I don't know. Okay..... Return your perspective now to the apparatus itself that you found at the target, outside looking now at the apparatus, back away from it so that you may see it in it's entirety and that you aren't so close that you're con- fused by it, so that you may see it in it's entirety, clearly, in perfect focus, every element of it... Remember. All right. I have no further questions about the target. If there's anything you'd like to say before leaving the target area, please do go NOWesese. No I, I'm all through. Okay. You have no further comments? No. Return your focus now to me here in the room. Move your arms, move your legs, take a few deep breaths, and prepare to draw that which you have perceived. Okay, uh....this is the, the, uh, sketch #1 is a representa- tion of the grid, uh, after you described the target area. And what comes up is a scenario. What I had was a grid with a..ehill #1 and 2, located north and south respectively. Not very high hills, nothing to be called mountains, but they're definitely something above ground, maybe 30, 40 feet, natural, man-made, I mean natural hills, with a great deal of vege- tation, uh, and heavy foliage that would be predominant in a very warm, humid type atmosphere. And to the right of the grid was a ribbon which I perceived as being water. And to the right of that more vegetation and flat land. Where I ended up was right next to the water on the sand, uh, looking towards the "X", okay, from east to west- Okay. And that's where I ended up. So much for sketch l. The antenna site that I, uh, eventually tried to pinpoint within this scenario appeared to be about a mile, a mile and a half inland, into the jungle from the water's edge. Okay? ¥5-00788R000400610001-1
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400610001-1 een A #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #663 #46: é iy Okay. And it's marked by an "X". Then when I asked you to focus more closely on the target From this overview perspective then you got down to what? Yeah, yeah, then the, uh, the picture of the, uh, circular parabolic antenna type, which was, uh, presented to me like an old, uh, an old fashioned electric heater that I've seen in the olden times. And, uh, it was, uh, circular parabolic with spokes. And I tried to count ‘em but I kept messing up. And L think there are about 10, 10 or 12 spokes that meet to the center in a hub there. Uh...swhat more can I add on the thing? It did have a back to it. The spokes were somewhat elevated from the edge of, uh, the antenna and going towards the center. Now that may be the heater syndrome, I don't know. Okay. Okay? And, after I focused on that, this was attached to a pole, I followed the pole down about 3 or 4 feet down, maybe more, maybe 6... Where's this, another type antenna which I can only define as being a porcupine type antenna which I've so labeled. The, uh, length of the principle elements appeared to be about 2 feet wide. And as, if you looked at it.on a plain it looked rectangular. But there was, there was, uh, it was not a rectangular apparatus. The elements shot in various direc- tions, uh, with the lengths of the spokes diminishing as they approach the center. Which gives it the appearance of a rectangle, as seen from a flat plain. Yeah, yeah. From a flat plain, okay. And after I concentrated on that for a while I went farther below and found this smal- ler type apparatus, which could be an antenna which I don't recognize, but it resembled and outdoor horn or a speaker, which I've so labeled. And the fascinating thing about that one, or what caught my attention was a very, uh, silvery reflective sheet, which, uh, which was, uh, located...at the very edge of the speaker or facing the speaker. It was, uh, it was placed right there. In other words it wasn't receded, it was, it was flat with the, with the outer edge of the so called bull horn. And, uh, with an added feature that this silvery type of material has sev- eral perforations in it. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 “GIK-RDP96-00788R000400610001-1
Approved For Release 2000/08/0 in if #66: #463 #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #465 #66: #46: #66: #463 #66: #46: #66: 196-00788R000400610001-1 All right, you feel that- Almost looked like a cheesecake. Were they purposeful? Yeah, purpose. It was, you feel that it was designed like that? Yes, it was designed like that. Okay. Definitely. Okay. Now let my try to clear up one point here. Go ahead. As you were describing this, of course, I was unable to per- ceive your description and I became somewhat confused as to what you were talking about here. This that you've drawn does not resemble the antennas that I showed you before the session... No. And, uh, I had, I asked you are there any more of these, the antennas here, and you said well, yeah, there's these three. And L didn't understand that you were talking about three things on the same pole. Yeah. So what you find then is this pole apparatus with these three what we might call elements on the pole. Yeah. Did you see anything like the pictures that I showed you? No. Okay. My attention was immediately on this and it would not leave it. And I realized that it did not resemble what you had showed me initially. And I don't remember seeing those, but that's beside the point. So I didn't fight it, I just let it come, and I figured, uh, I'11 describe what I see. Okay, now- Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : O1A-RDP96-00788R000400610001-1
a Epes i E Sad ag ‘ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 :.CiA-F Tab -00788R000400610001-1 #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #663 #46: #665 #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: Rather than try and make it, uh, you know. I just simply did not see the other, the other three. Now I may have been off target or- All right. That's fine. -whatever have you but I have to follow instinct. You did say, however, when I asked if there were any others that were maybe associated with this antenna you did say that you saw, uh, something else. Yeah, on sketch #1, on both hills, the one labeled 1 in the north and the one labeled 2 in the south, uh, are somewhat related to, uh, the ones that we, the one that I sav, uh, which is represented by an "X" on sketch 1, in some relay fashion. Okay, you feel that there are, is something in the hills- Yeah. -adjacent hills that relates to this antenna somehow. Yeah, yeah. They're all interrelated. Okay, fine. Let's go on then with your drawings. And that's, that's about it I was drawing. Oh, sketch #3 is an overview, not a very high overview, few hundred feet, maybe 300 feet, somethin' like that, maybe 400, of, uh, the site. What it is is a, it's a high- hardly perceptible clearing, in fact it's not of a, it's not quite as delineated as I have drawn it here. But, uh, the pole is more a private little circle in the "X" and right next to it is the maintenance and directional facility where I saw these three people. Okay. And I got the impression that they were trucked in from the water's edge by a crude road about a mile or so long through this jungle area. But the entire area is just heavy green, damp foliage. Okay. Okay? Now, addressing these people you said you saw some people in there and you felt they should be military. And there was one that stood out because he had a white shirt on and you- Yeah. He not only stood out by way of, because of his civi- lian attire as opposed to the other two, only because I got the impression that he was some type of technician, whereas the other two were simply maintenance people, and he was