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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION DCC-54
1.
(S/NOFORN)
This report documents
a remote
viewing session conducted
in compliance with
a request for information on a
target of interest.
2.
(S/NOFORN)
The remote viewer's impressions
of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data,
and as
such,
have not been subjected
to any
intermediate analysis,
evaluation
or collation.
Interpretation
and use of
the information provided is
the responsibility
of
the requestor.
3.
(S/NOFORN)
The protocol used for this session is detailed in
the
document Grill Flame Protocol,
AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol
(S),
undated.
4.
(S/NOFORN)
Following
is
a transcript of
the viewer's impressions during
the remote
viewing session.
At TAB
A are drawings made by
the remote viewer
reference his impressions of
the target site.
At TAB
B is target cuing
information provided
the remote
viewer.
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TRANSCRIPT
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION DCC-54
TIME
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#66:
This will be
a remote viewing session for 0900 hours,
20 May
1981.
This will
be
a pre-session briefing to the remote viewer.
At this time
I provide you with a sealed envelope.
Your target
is designated by this sealed envelope,
which
contains the coordinates
to the target.
Your task will be
to describe
the target area designated by the sealed
envelope to me.
In the present time window.
As your
description develops,
I will be given further guidance
by the control analyst during the session.
We will then
explore various portions
of the target
in order that we
may
gain the intelligence necessary.
Basically this
problem involves exploring an area of growing importance
about which the intelligence community has little infor-
mation.
We hope to add to this information and stimulate
other appropriate collection systems towards this target
area.
Do you have any questions pertaining to this morn-
ings target?
#01:
No.
#66:
All right,
you now have 25 minutes to prepare youself for
this mornings session.
Relax now and concentrate
on the target designated for you
in
the sealed envelope
I have given you.
Focus now
in
present time
on the target designated
in the sealed envel-
ope
I
have given you.
Relax now.. relax,
concentrate...
and describe the target to me
#01:
Just
a minute
I feel
like,
uh... feeling
of
buildings.
. .buildings. .as
of
a city.
One white building
in particular. .rounded corners
See
a box,
elongated box like object....
It's
like,
uh,
it's wrapped
in
shiny bands
of metal
#66:
Your relative position of observation
as you describe
this
to me?
#01:
My moving .. .moving around the area...
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#66:
Distance to the city from the target?....
#01:
Ten
kilometers..
City apparently
is,
uh,
ten kilometers
west. .target area..
#66:
From above describe the target area.
From above....
#01:
A main thoroughfare road..
Very green valleys,
clear
of
trees...
Low hills due west.
Have one
looks like a...
softball shaped building.
It's like
a ball with tubes
cornin'
out of
it,
pipes.
There's,
uh,
two flat tank struc-
tures to the side.
An octagon
of wire. .fencing of some
kind...
Doesn't seem to be anything of interest catching
my eye.
#66:
Okay.
Describe the climate to me....
#01:
Hot,
humid.
#66:
What
is
it that makes you say hot and humid?
#01:
Get
a.. an overall feeling
of,
uh,
sponginess.
There's
a
mixture
of tropical forest and swamp.. jungle.. amazon like
quality
for some reason.
#66:
Okay, before you stated that some of the valleys were clear.
Uh,
do
I understand that this area has
a great deal of
foliage?
#01:
Uh....
To
the edge
of the valleys,
that's correct.
#66:
And describe the relative location of the target...
#01:
Just
a minute.
PAUSE
The target would appear
to be,
uh,
in the deepest portion
of the
"V"
of the valley .. .central most valley.
. .clearing,
clear area...
#66:
Okay.
The buildings now that
you describe at the target
here,
this target area that you've described.
You started
out by saying
I see a number
of buildings,
then you related
certain shapes
to me.
Describe the number of buildings at
the target site.
PAUSE
#01:
The
'coordinates
are for
a cluster
of less than five
buildings.
Surrounding area
is possibly
20...
#66:
Focus on the target designate now,
and describe these
buildings to
me.
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#01:
I had
a. ..see
a building,
looks like large square with
ends coming out
of each end. ..two.
Looks like
a telescope
from both ends.
Fairly
large,
possibly three stories.
Flat roof..
Some form of push-out glass windows.
There's
a building,
front right to that.
Looks like
a pillow...
Double diagonals running each direction down
the corners.,
corner to corner.
Doesn't appear to have windows...
Pair of rectangles side by side,
approximately two stories.
They don't appear to have windows either.
I get a round object with pipes.
. .slightly smaller than
building size. .
#66:
Describe
the present activity at the target site.
#01:
Looks like activity's normal.
#66:
Describe normal activity.,..
#01:
Don't get any answers,
I
just get normal.
People moving
around.
#66:
Describe the inside of the big white building...
#01:
A
lotta bright
lights,
open area...
Some kind of,
uh,
•press rollers,
or,
uh,
machines
for pressing metal...
aluminum.
Sections of metal,
look like polished aluminum.
#66:
What is
it
you perceive that makes you say machines
to press
aluminum?
#01:
Big,
bulky machines.
#66 :
Go on
#01:
Different forms or angular sections under the machines
going up and down and they
1 re. .rolling across sheets,
like,
uh,
spun metal.. grain in the middle goes
in circles.
It's
polished...
It's polished,
it's shiny and. .it's,
uh,
puts
a design
in the middle. .these machines
do.
#66:
All right.
Go back through the process
to the beginning
before,
before this happens to it and describe to me
#01:
I just see tall standing tubes or rolls. .rolls.
#66:
Describe
the area where these rolls
are.. .in
a broader
perspective.
#01:
Large storage area,
shipping receiving area.
#66:
And from your perspective are we
at the target site still?
#01:
That's correct.
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#66:
Now go back further following this,
these rolls
to
their point
of origin.
Describe their point of origin
to
me.
Stay with
the rolls..
#01:
I have
a. .. .apparently
a large.. uh,
industrial type furnace,
but it's not
a permanent fixture,
it's like
a temporary,
like you would dig your mine and you
would,,
uh,
build
your furnace temporarily at the mine.
#66:
Look at
a map and tell me where this
is
in relationship to
the target......
#01:
Uh,
northwest across the very narrow thing of water.. some
very rugged hills.
#66:
Distance?...
#01:
Sixty kilometers.
#66:
All right.
Return to the site now.
Previously
I asked you
to describe the activity at the site,
and you said activity
was normal and that you perceived people coming and going.
Focus now
on this activity,
and describe
the people to me.
#01:
Get very rugged people,
some not wearing shirts.
Uh,
color-
ful scarves tied around their neck.. tan pants,
gray,
uh,
appear to be heavy work clothes.
Some wearing hats,
base-
ball cap like hats.
Very rugged type people.. like unskilled
workers.. laborers...
Keep,
the input
I keep getting is,
uh,
peasant stock,
like a...
#66:
Describe
the foreman
to
me.
#01:
Neat,
trim,
wearing dark green,
open collar shirt and pants.,
brown boots.
That's all
I'm getting.
#66:
Describe the management
to me
#01:
Don't get any difference between the foreman and the
management.
#66:
Do
I understand that it's one and the same or are they
similar
in appearance?
#01:
No difference
in description.
#66:
No difference
in description?
#01:
No.
#66:
Let me
try to clear this up
in
my own mind.
You perceive
different people but different descriptions?
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#01:
Correct
#66:
All right.
Dressed all similarly?
#01:
That's correct.
#66:
All right.
Describe your present position of observation...
#01:
I don't know.
Nowhere.
#66:
Okay..
Describe for me. ..in broad terms.. the number of
personnel involved in normal activity at this complex....
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#01:
Less than 150... when activity
is' normal.
There'd be
an
abnormal increase when activity isn't normal.
#66:
All right.
I have no further questions of the target area.
But
I would like
to give you now a few moments
to comment
as you see fit on the target area.
PAUSE
#01:
For some reason
I get a impression that the.. the function
of the target area
is mobile,
and that,
uh...the buildings
are not incremental
to
the functions.
Just happens
to be
a place
to be at the moment.
I get
a feeling
that,
uh,
there's something not right about the functions
in that.,
there's no agreement to the coordinates.
#66:
Describe the experience
you have which makes you feel this
way.
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#01:
Uh,
the coordinates
of the target.. and the target
is this
place,
time,
and these should all intersect,
all these.,
circles should intersect,
but they don't.
There's only
a
nebulous relationship.
It's like looking through holes
in
paper,
they don't line up.
So there's somethin'
wrong.,
somethin'
wrong with the function of the target or
the
coordinates.
#66:
Describe the degree
of error you are perceiving.
#01:
The what?
#66:
The degree of error
in alignment of these functions.
#01:
Uh
uh,
the.. I perceive either
a misconception of function
or.. perhaps coordinates won't,
uh, won't be good enough to
nail this target.
Some other form of,
uh,
some other form
of task.
#66:
All right.
#01:
I don't know,
I don't know.
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#66:
Any further comments?
#01:
No.
#66:
All right.
Return your attention
to
me,
the
room,
and let's
now prepare
to draw those perceptions
that you have had.
#01:
Okay.
On page
one,
it's a drawing of the general overall
area.
And what
I have
is two high ridges,
left and right,
with
a low point,
or valley running down the center.
City
area outlined
in dotted lines.
A road,
sort of a
"V" shaped
road going from
the city to the perceived target area and
running off in two directions from there.
And this whole
valley was
a very
lush,
green valley.
Page two are the tank structures.
I can't illucidate
on
that
any.
Page three
is,
uh,
a blow-up of the target area,
uh,
with the
representative,
uh,
statements concerning the letters.
I've
identified everything
in letter
form,
and then written
a
column
on the right saying what they are.
And these are
all relative to one another
in size.
I didn't show any
buildings exterior to the fence,
but there are
a bunch of
other buildings all over that area.
Uh,
four
is this machine type apparatus that looks like
a
very high,
very large like tool and die type machine,
uh,
under which,
uh,
this roll
of polished aluminum is being
sucked into this machine,
so to speak,
and it's stamping
out these parts,
or pieces or whatever.
#66:
Okay,
now,
uh,
let's talk about in what building was this?
#01:
Okay.
You
said,
uh,
tell me what's in the white building,
or something like that.
And
I don't recall ever having
said any of the buildings were white,
so
I
just gave you
whatever came into my mind.
So
I don't know where that
building
is.
#66:
Okay,
so you can't tell me
then,
uh,
in relationship
to
three,
which building has this stuff
in
it.
#01:
No,
I
can't.
#66:
All right.
#01:
Page five
is
a layout of to
point of origin,
and what-
#66:
Now let me understand.
Point of origin of the raw material
or what you perceive
as rolled aluminum is what
I was after.
#01:
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
And,
uh, what
I've done is
I've
put three squares
on here.
The large square
is
a city,
and
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#01:
the two small squares are target and origin.
And
I
ve
indicated that
it’s sixty kilometers north northwest of
the target.
And
I labeled
in and underlined water and
valleys and hills.
There seems to be,
from the edge of the
water goin'
back there seems to be
a row of,
uh,
flat valley
areas and hills and then valleys and then hills.
#66 :
Okay
.
#01:
And that's essentially
it.
Uh..I'm gonna try to explain to
you what
I was talkin'
about as far
as
the targeting.
If
you were
to take
a circle and you were to say you have three
circles,
okay,
just for sake of clarity- circle A
is,
uh,
the target of interest to U.S.
Intelligence,
circle
B
is the
coordinates,
and circle
C
is
the,
uh,
date/time location,
okay?
And then you were to provide that kind
of information
in
a’ sealed envelope.
Then essentially what
the viewer
would be
looking down would be this.. this kind of thing.
He would be looking this way through these circles,
right?
#66:
Okay.
#01:
Okay,
well
in this case- that's
be
A,
B and
C.
In this case
I was of the impression that
I wasn't looking down circles
like that.
I was looking
like this way,
through those cir-
cles.
They weren't jiving,
they weren't goin'
together
right.
#66:
The information,
the target,
the coordinate and the date/
time did not seem to all fit together
in the matrix.
#01:
Right.
If
I had to- okay,
if
I had to coordinate
it,
what
I would say,
I would break
the target down
into function.,
of interest.
Okay?
And
I would say
location, coordinates.
And
I would say now.
This location coordinates
is screwed
up.
There's somethin'
wrong with that.
#66:
Okay.
That was my next question.
In these intersecting
rings, which one is screwed up?
And you're saying it's the-
#01:
The location coordinate's screwed up.
Now that
can mean
that one out of
25 buildings
is of interest and the target
coordinates aren't centered on that building,
they're cen-
tered somewhere else in the
layout.
That can mean the
coordinates are just plain all screwed up.
Or that can mean
that the,
uh-
#66:
Okay,
label this sketch
as being,
uh,
targeting problem.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
Would be sketch number
six,
but just label it as targeting
problem,
that's fine.
#01:
Targeting problem.
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#66:
Okay,
I have one
other question
I'd
like to ask.
And
that
is you had made
a comment about.
. .these building sit
here,
but the function
in them
is mobile,
and that they,
you don’t have
to do this function
in the buildings*
that
you could the function elsewhere*
#01:
Right.
And that may be part
of the problem.
I perceive
the function
is
of what's real importance.
The buildings
don't matter.
The machines don't matter.
But what's being
done and how it's being done
in the buildings does.
And...
uh,
there's
just gotta be
a better way
of targeting this
target.
You
know,
uh..
#66:
0k§iy.
#01:
There's somethin'
wrong with the way it|s bein'
targeted
right now and
I can't put my finger
on
it.
#66:
Okee-doke.
Any
other comments you have?
#01:
No.
#66:
What kinda confidence do you have
in the actual imagery
that you saw and the actual remote viewing experience?
#01:
You're askin'
the wrong person.
I don't
know.
I
don't-
#66:
Okay.
Sometimes you say boy,
this
is really
a zingo.
But this time you're sayin'
you just don't-
#01:
It was so tough pullin'
out what
I
pulled
out
today
that,
uh,
I,
you
know,
I
just don't
know.
I
don't know
if
it
was tough because everything
I
got
is super accurate
or
if
it was tough because there was nothin'
there and
I needed
to make somethin'
up.
You know,
I
don't
know.
#66:
Okay.
That's good.
You always have
a comment and that's
one.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
Thank you.
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