Approved For Release 2000/08/08 a #663 All right. #01: But it's wrapped in canvas. Documents are...in a...like a cloth of bag ona a...zipperbag....Passenger of the truck and the car are..they go back to the car and...second passenger from the car is going..to the back of the truck...truck passenger and the..first passenger of the car are going with the driver of the car to a...a..some kind of a building,..that's a..got a black glass doors and it's liké..built like a bank, heavy, heavy type building, brick...And they're a..doing something with accounts or transferring money...filling out some kind of paper to transfer money....- The a..second passenger in the car is looking at the package..while that's going on, is taking photos. #66: Describe this procedure to me. #01: He's a..spreading these things out on the bed of the truck and...taking photos, pages.. #66: Okay. Look through the items that he photographs and see if they're all the same type of items, or there are different items there. #01: ....Get an impression that I'm looking at different items,..different time...I keep getting a very strong impression of the..like radars at one point, emitters and receivers...then another time I get impression of some kind of air to air defense system..And then I get an impression of a guidance system for a rocket, an air to air rocket....These are-- #663 Okay, I don't quite understand, there's an activity happening SG1A QM window. There's a man standing and he's taking pictures. Describe the items that he takes pictures of. let's focus now on, SGIA #01: It's a...guidance system for some kind of rocket-- #66: Okay-- #01: --air to air rocket,..blueprints and-- i Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900070002-4 4B A Sag dagd ————
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 Z fe Ba. #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01; #66: #01: #663 #01: #66: #01: ET 88R001900070002-4 Lian a aie as Okay. I want you to describe the physical things, not what's contained in them, but the physical things that he takes pictures of. ..He's actually photographing a real rocket nose, it's like a section of the rocket. Okay. Now in these, in these documents, he photographs a blueprint type thing, is there any other kinds of documents in there or any other objects that he photographs? Ah..there's written pages,..diagrams..what appears to be some kind of maintenance type log...um....then inventory sheets of some kind...primarily the other..they're schematics of the guidance system. Okay. Now, I'd like to go back to something you said. You said that you had some impressions of different times? ...Yes, like different...different materials. Break this out. They're not there now, but they're....photographed too someway...sort of like it took two trips. Okay. Tell me what happens after he finishes photographing these things. ..He a...puts everything back in the box and the bag and...puts everything back the way it was..and he goes back to the car ...and waits for the others to come back...Then the a....others come back and they...talk at the car and....the guy, the passenger of the truck, is like, he's given more money,...this time in cash...And he goes and then he gets in the truck and he..drives away. Could you describe this truck to me again? «seeelt's like a fairly beat up military truck, it's gray, but it's got a...white top or a pattern in white, on the ceiling...and a dark gray almost...charcoal cover on the back. It's a military, a pickup truck. When it leaves, it goes.. through the gravel lot..and around the red brick building and..goes....ah..north....goes north. 74, Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00%88R001900070002-4 2d ry ad
Approved For Release 2000/08/ #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: 1 Approved, For Refease 2000/08/08 : am 1j/)PPre For Fete 8 All right. Now, you said in this pickup truck, there were two individuals, a driver and a passenger, tell me about the driver. .....An impression he's working for,..doing this is as a favor for money..for his friend. Describe him physically to me. ...Um...middle late twenties, probably twenty-seven..5' 6",.145 pounds,..military, he's military. Break this out. A..impression of a military uniform, some kind of work fatigues...his baseball cap is blue..some kind of white letter on the front...He's a...a..immature in a way. Break this out. -Ah... Raw data? ...Um...doesn't understand what's going on...doesn't care...Ah..single, E5, E4, He's an E4..needs the money, just does this for money...It's just one more job to do..He's like a hustler...Ah..get the impression he doesn't really know what's in the back of the truck....but the passenger does. The driver, describe his place at work. ...-.Ssee a row of like..a six dorm type buildings...wait a minute, that's overlay...Ah...see a..it's like bins, some kind of storage bins, tables with tools...large building like an aircraft hanger...lots of tools and cages, wire cages..parts.. Now, you said, in the pickup there was a passenger. Starting with the incident, tell me about the passenger. Tell me about this passenger. Um..impression he is also military, but of a..higher grade, like a E7, E8...He's friends with the younger man. He's a..36, 35...5' 7", 5' 8", 165 pounds, SIA-RDP96-00788R001900070002-4
Approved For Release 2000/08/0e@™ RN E 26 40788R001900070002-4 brown, kind of curly hair....... Get a...get an impression of school buildings when I think of him. Keep seeing classrooms... #66: Okay. I want you to stick to him, rather than other locations. Tell me about him personality wise, the passenger in the truck. #01: ..Um..he's is in trouble, trouble with the money... #66: Break this out. #01: ....An impression of divorce or something like that, heavy alimony or child support. Spends too much money, owes bills..Get a trapped feeling, as well, like he can't gquit....Trying to make it to third year,..third year for...time to quit. #662 Break this third year concept out. #01: ...I don't understand that, just get a...got to make to third year, end of tour or end of service. $66: All right. Now tell me about his place of work. #01: we eeeee Get like a long, zig-zag white building, two floors, and classrooms. It's inside a double fence, white, I think white mason block. See a..fairly photographic type projections...on a wall....cellophane like projections sheets. #6063 Okay. This passenger in the "trap", describe his activity in this work place. Describe what he does in his work day. #01: ...Um..does a..controls text books and things. #66: Describe controls text books and things. #01: See him putting..getting copies of books and putting numbers on the..covers..and inventory and counting books, booklets and folded out sheets...maintaining instructional material...Checks new sheets..a.. .takes care of mock ups, prototype models, mMiniaturize things.......Works inside a vault ALCA.. eee eee #66: All right. Concentrate on this individual and tell me how I can best identify him, how I can best find him. ne ot Aa we i | UY ba NU died Ladd | Approved For Filease 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900070002-4
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA- a 01900070002-4 #01: Just a minute. weeeeeveeeseeel think that...find a connection between. ..this a..audiovisual support area, the school. cand someone in the..aircraft area...There's a personal type connection. ..-provide a. type object or a prototype..monitor it #663 All right. I'd like you to take a moment now to SC1A explore beyond confines of my questions. Explore the events at SG1A in the photograph I've shown you and comment as you explore. #01: cece ewes »-Think the -gravel areas, been a. "used on numerous occasions and the a. #66: Describe used. #01: Meetings there many times, different cars, vehicles.. surveillance should be established, I think. .......Just a minute, I'm looking for a time frame. ........First week of August, first 10 days of August.. #66; In terms of surveillance during August '83? #01: That's correct....A..midmorning hours apparently are.. appropriate time period...... Early evening and midmorning hours..seem to be the general times... #663 All right. #01: = = seeee Check bank accounts on_ people in the...audiovisual support the school...Some kind of air defense school, air to air defense...where they teach pilots how to... use their early warning systems on their aircraft....That's all I get. #663 Okay. I'd like you now to draw those areas that you've described. a Peas 4 TAR Cy i Guu “Approved | For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA- RDP96- 00788 %601900070002-4