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#7.5:
When you say that there's something between them
and what you described
as
a helicopter,
do you
see them there?
#24:
No.
PAUSE
No.
Its
just.
.
.I'm just seeing through this
transparency at this thing that looks
like
a
helicopter to me.
I
don't actually see them
per
se.
#7.5:
Urn hm
PAUSE
#24:
Urn.
PAUSE
#7.5:
Tell me about the colors.
+08
#24:
I'm not getting any colors.
This thing that
I
see
is
just.
.
is
just a dark,
dark
.
.
like
a
dark like
a shadow.
Like
a dark gray or something.
#7.5:
Um hm.
PAUSE
#24:
Now
I
see
a fence.
Sort of like
a
fence.
A
chain link
type.
I only see
the top of it and
its
like receding into the background.
PAUSE
And
I only see
the top part of
it.
Like
a
"V"
.
.
.
like
the top part of
.
.
It would be
something like
the top part of
a fence with the
"V"
shape on
top of the long
(not audible)
PAUSE
I'm not getting strong images
at all.
I really see that.
Its
like
a bar.
.
and its
sort of on top
.
.
Hummm.
.
And I'm on
top
and
I
see
this,
this
"V"
shape;
its
like
a
"Y"
extend.
.
you know,
its
a small
"V"
and then
a
long post like from that and there seems
to be
some wires through the
"V".
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#7.5:
Okay.
#24:
And there's
a series of this.
Like
a
fence.
#7.5:
Okay.
Go up in the
air.
#24:
I am up,
looking down.
At first
I
saw a,
you
know,
like
a bird's eye view right level with
it and now I'm on top of
it and still
see this
same sort of thing.
#7.5:
Urn hm.
Go up high enough
to where other things
begin to fall into your view.
PAUSE
#24:
There
seem to be
a row of one story buildings
up on
a hill
to my right.
Light buildings.
Like
small houses or something.
And,
then there's
.
.
.
then there on top of
a hill and then down
at the bottom of the hill
is
this
fence type
arrangement.
PAUSE
I'm not getting any colors.
Everything I've
been seeing so far
is
like dark browns and
olive
.
PAUSE
#7.5:
Where are you now?
#24:
Well,
its
as
though,
for
a minute there anyway,
I was
down,
looking up at some kind of
a building?
with
an antenna arrangement.
Its very unclear.
I'm getting
a
lot of wires.
You know,
like
electrical wiring.
Telephone wires.
But its
not clear.
I'm outside.
PAUSE
+ 10
I
get
a feeling of
a very boring place.
PAUSE
#7.5:
And now what do you see?
#24:
I'm not really getting anything strong enough
to describe
the shape of anything.
PAUSE
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#7.5:
Describe what
#6.5
and
#11 are doing.
PAUSE
#24:
I'm getting some
sort of tunnel but it was
almost instantaneous.
A tunnel with
a light
at the end.
I
don't see
it now.
PAUSE
I
see something like
a
.
.
its
like
a rose window
in a cathedral only its
dark.
You know,
there's
some
sort of pattern like
the rose windows have
in mosiac only
its not bright colors,
its
a dark
-
its
like
a dark mosiac.
Circular,
round.
I'm
looking up
at
it.
Its part of another structure
of some kind.
#7.5:
Okay,
now,
is
this
all
in one location
(not
audible)
.
. ?
#24:
This
tunnel,
yeah.
#7.5:
All these things you've told me,
from the
helicopter to the fence
to
the building with
antennas
to this building.
Do you get the
feeling that they're
all together.
#24:
No.
Not in my mind.
They are
all separate.
PAUSE
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That one image of
a window,
that rose window,
which
is,
its opaque.
Its staying with me.
Its hazy
(not audible).
But its
like part of
another structure and that's all
that's being
seen and its
a dark structure of some kind.
PAUSE
The structure
is not like
a normal building.
Its not a squared off type of building.
Its
more elaborate architecture.
That's
a feeling
I
get.
I don't really
see too much.
PAUSE
+15
Everything is
dark.
Everything I've gotten
is
dark.
I
see something dark now
-
I'm inside
a
building and its
dark.
Its
.
.
.
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#7.5:
What's inside the building?
#24:
Well,
its
just not clear.
I
feel
like I'm
looking up at the ceiling and the ceiling
is
very elaborate.
Whatever I'm looking at
is
very elaborate structure.
Its
like
some of the
European buildings of the very ornate ceilings
like sculptured ceilings.
That's what it looks
like
to me and its
dark.
PAUSE
I'm just not getting strong images at all.
PAUSE
+17
#24:
Every now and then
I get
a burst of light but
I
still feel
like I’m in some
.
.
inside.
I
feel
like I'm inside.
Something.
.
dark build-
ing,
or.
.
But.
.
its
like inside of some kind
of dark structure.
I don't get the feeling its
really a building,
or
a,
you know,
a room with a
purpose.
Its
just
a structure
-
dark.
Very
ornate type structure.
Ornate
in the sense of
carved wood,
both the walls and the ceiling.
+18
Now
I
see
a tree.
Okay,
its
like coming out
of this whatever
it was.
Very light tree.
Its
very bright like
the
sun was shining or something.'
I'm sure I'm seeing
a tree.
Its fading now.
PAUSE
#7.5:
Is
this
the same location where the fence is?
PAUSE
#24:
I don't see it now.
I get the feeling that,
you
know,
the
.
.
they are going from one spot to
another but
I don't see any,
you know,
I
don't
see
the connections.
Just suddenly I'm here and
then I'm here and then I'm here.
PAUSE
+20
Now
I
feel like I'm in
a restaurant.
I
see
loads and loads
of like images of like bottles
say wine bottles and glasses.
And its dark,
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candled room.
But just one section,
it
was
like wall,
is
all
I
could really
see.
Its one section of the wall.
.
They are very
fleeting images of like wine bottles, wine
glasses and table settings.
Dark,
candled room.
But just one section,
it was
like wall,
is all
I could really
see.
Its one section of
the
wall.
.
.
They are very fleeting images of like
wine bottles, wine glasses
and table settings.
Dark,
candled room.
PAUSE
#7.5:
You've got
so many things
now.
#24:
I
know.
Ha ha.
#7.5:
I think we'd better draw some pictures before
you forget all of
it.
(Not audible.)
#24:
Okay.
The first thing
I saw was
this helicopter
thing.
That stayed with me
for
a while.
Then
I
saw this,
like
a chain link fence as though my
eye were
level with the top bar and then in a
"V"
structure.
And then
I was above it and looking
down
(not audible)
.
Very strong would be the
"Y"
.
Then
I got
a,
just
a collage of like
electrical wiring,
telephone wires and all of
that.
I was down looking up at
it.
Very hazy.
Like houses around.
And these wires above them
sort of
idea.
And then
I
got inside
this sort of orante
building.
Structure.
And its
a restaurant,
I
think.
That's
all
I
got.
#7.5:
Urn hm.
See
if you can't sketch those out and
we'll
see what we have.
Would you like
a clip
board to draw on?
#24:
Yes.
#7.5:
Do you have enough light?
#24:
Yes.
I'm okay.
#7.5:
You had
a smile on your face
for
a considerable
period.
#24:
Did
I really?
#7.5:
Yes
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