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# 66
:
Okay,
this
will
be
a
CENTER
LANE
I nterview
for
0950
hours
on
the
20th
April
1984
with
Okay
,
as
you
have
requested,
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
series
of
pieces
of
information
and
that
you
feel
you
require
in
order
to
attain
some
attachment
with
the
subject
at
hand.
I'm
going
to
do
this
slowly
with
your
prompting.
Okay
#66:
The
first
thing
I
want
to
show
you
is
a
picture
of
a
missing
individual,
this
picture
is
several
years
old
and
is
the
picture
that
was
used
to
make
his
identification
badge.
So
this
picture
is
several
years
old.
That
is
the
picture
used
for
his
identification
badge.
Okay
I
don't
know,
when
I
say
I
don't
know,
I
have
times,
sometimes
extremely
hard
to
put
in,
this
person,
when
I
say
apparently
simply
mean s
that
it
is
so,
it's
just
the
way
that
I'm
speaking.
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No,
no.
That's
why
I
want
to,
that's
why
I
said
you,
all
I'm
saying
is
this.
I'm
saying
that
I
know
he's
in
Lebanon,
but
I
can
not
tell
you
whether
he's
in
Beirut
or
not
,
okay
#66:
All
right.
Okay
At
this
moment
according
to
the
map,
I
do
not
find
him
in Beirut.
#66:
All
right.
That
makes
our
intelligence
problem
a
little
more
difficult,
because
detailed
maps
of
other
places
are
very
hard
to
come
by.
We'll
be
very
dependent
upon
you
then
for
geographical
descriptions,
once
you
contact
him.
Yeah.
Let
me
put
it
this
way,
I
have
to
assure
you
that
there
will
be
no
difficulty,
he
is
not
in
Beirut
,
the
message
I
was
getting
while
in
contact
,
I'm
not
in Beirut
center,
Beirut,
but
I'm
not
too
far
from
there
,
okay
,
so
what
the
message
came
to
me
,
don't
be
looking
for
me
in
the
mountains
or,
you
know,
whatever
the
aspect,
it
is
still
a
civilized
area
where
you
would
not
suspect,
okay,
but
it
is
not
the
city
of
Beirut.
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# 66
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That's
correct.
SGI
I
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
I
don't
want
to mistake
my
#66:
No,
over
several
months,
6,
months
they
took
several
people.
William
Buckley
was
taken
on
16th
of
March
.
SG1I
The
last
one.
# 66
:
Yes.
Yes,
the
latest
one.
As
though
they
were
picking
them
up
at
random
or
something.
SGI
I
Yeah,
it
had
to
be.
It's
my
contention,
I
don't
know
who
the
other
men
are,
but
still
(mumble)
into
my
psychic
experience,
psychic
mind,
there
was
some
kind
of
a
leak.
And
I
just
want
to
make
that
for
record,
okay
.
#66:
Okay.
SGI
I
Would
you
give
me
3248
which
is
15?
#66:
Right
here.
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So
that
the
reverse
does
not
mean
anything,
it
doesn't
go
into--
#66:
It
doesn't match
you?
Doesn't
match
me
with
what
the
other--
#66:
They
don't
feel
right.
No,
they
don't
feel
right
to
me.
#66:
Okay.
I
just
want,
usually,
because
you
said
he
was
disoriented
and
I
wanted
to
feel
my
way
around.
21,
a
longer,
that's
it.
Apparently
I'll
stay
with
that
.
#66:
You
can
tell
him
you
looked
at
a
map
and
that
didn't
make, any
sense
to
you,
maybe
he'll
have
some
more
information
.
Okay.
He's
certainly
doing
his
best
to
give
the
information,
that's
for
sure.
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#66:
He
may
be
limited.
My
suggestion
is
to
go
beyond
his
conscious
and
then
perhaps
the
guards.
Yeah.
From
the
wounds
that
you,
that
will
only
help
me
again
to
get
the
information
in
contact.
From
the
people
that
were
found
and
spoke,
the
message
spoken
by
the
guards
and
so
forth,
did
they
speak
about
someone
with
a
guttural
language
or
something?
#66:
No,
they
did
not
mention
anything
about
that.
They
said
they
were
blind
folded
the
whole
time
and
the
only
person
they
remember
seeing
is
the
other
guy,
the
other
guy
that
was
retrieved.
And
how
about
the
language,
did
they
realize
what
language
they
were
speaking?
#66:
In
the
reports
that
I
read,
there
was
no
comment
made
one
way
or
the
other
about
languages.
There
were
no
comments
made
about
that.
It's
just
that
I
have
to
get
these
loose
ends
together
.
#66:
Sure.
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You
said,
you
felt
that
the
guttural
language
was
Russian?
I
don't
know,
you'll
have
to
remember,
you
have
to
remind
me
about.
You
said
you
thought
that
there
was
russian
and
the
person
that
was
speaking
it
was
in
civilian
but
would
be
in
uniform
if
he
were
in
his
home
country.
I
will
leave
it
stand
as
it
is.
All
right,
let
me
go
back
.
There
is
highway
which
(mumble)
going
to
this
outskirt,
villa,
or
city
or
town.
#66:
Okay.
Okay.
And
the
place
is
almost
at
the
end
of
this
highway,
almost
at
the
end,
I
can't
see
it
further
whether
it's
destroyed
or
what,
but
it
is
along
the
highway
and
you
can
go
off
the
highway
or
what
appeared
to
be
a
highway
or
once
was
a
highway,
whatever
it
is,
and
it
does
go
to
this
place.
#66:
Okay,
I
understand.
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Russia
or
China
or
any
of
that,
he
almost
said,
I
wouldn't
do
it.
I'm
just
giving
you
that
for
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record
so
that--
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Country
travelers
are
briefed
before
hand
what
to
do
when
asked
questions.
The
big
thing
here,
I'm
just
giving
you
that
for
your
own
security
in
the
work
that
you're
doing,
just
bringing
you
up
to
date
to
some
of
the
things,
because
I
would
like
to
continue
to
working
with
you
whenever
you
need
me.
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Okay.
I
do
come
to
Washington
quite
frequently,
by
the
way,
and
I'll
let
you
know
(mumble)
now
that
we
have
established
contact.
#66:
Yeah,
that's
a
good
idea.
You
want
this
tape,
#66:
Yeah,
it
will
go
off
by
itself.
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# 01
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# 66
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# 01
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# 66
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# 01
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# 66
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# 01
:
primary
goal
is
to
pay
these
people
and
use
them
to
disrupt
or' destabilize
economics
as
one
given,
politics
is
another
area,
just
general
act
of
destabilization,
which
causes
then
a
dependency
of
both
the
destabilizers
as
well
as
the
destabilized
upon
some
other
country
or
some
other
organization.
The
problem
that
I
have
with
this
is
that
I
don't
see
any
feedback
coming
to
these
people.
These
people
could
care
less
whether
there's
a
dependency
formulated,
well,
that's
not
true,
they
want
to
create
the
dependency,
but
I
don't
see
them
interacting
in
that
dependency
afterwards.
And
I
don't
understand
what
that
means.
Okay
.
You
know,
it's
like
they're
creating
a
lack
of
stability
and
a
dependency,
and
that's
their
goal
and
that's
their
desire,
but
then
they
don't
do
anything
with
it
afterwards.
They're
doing
it
just
for
the
sake
of
doing
it.
Okay
.
And
I
don't
understand
that.
I
don't
get
a
thread
there
for
what
goes
on
afterwards
or
why
they
do
it.
Okay.
Now
do
you
feel
that
that
is
what
the
meetings
are
about
or
has
to
do
with
the
total
building,
can
you
relate
that
in
any
way?
No,
that's
what
the
meetings
are
about.
The
total
building
is,
I
get
a,
well
quite
frankly
I
didn't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
the bottom
three
floors.
Okay.
But
you
said
something
the,
it
was
a
technical
support
area?
Oh
yeah,
and
absolutely,
these
top
two
floors
are
supporting
all
this
in
a
technical
way,
you
know,
they're
supporting
it
with
regard
to,
I'm
not
sure.
I
just
get
a
lot
of
little
rooms
doing
a
lot
of
little
functions,
you
know,
like
there's
really
some
superb
equipment
in
here
for
photography,
photographic
chemicals,
I
get
other
chemical
areas,
I
get
small
printing
and
copying,
or
duplicating
area,
I
get,
you
know,
all
this
just
whole
room
after
room
of
junk,
you
know.
I
see
piles
of
radios
in
one
room,
I
see
a
specialized
arms
room,
I
see,
just
all
this
on
and
on
and
on.
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#66:
You
generalized
the
top
two
floors
as
being
a
technical
support
area
for
some
function?
#01:
Yes,
for
some
clandestine
activity
that
has
to
do
with destabilization,
political
and
economics.
#66:
Oh,
so
you're
saying
then
the
technical
support,
supports
whatever
is
discussed
in
the
big
room?
#01:
That's
correct.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
And
the
big
room
is
used
for
that
discussion,
is
used
for
the
collection
of
the
information
that
has
to
do
with
the
decisions
that
are
done,
I
don't
know,
just
people meeting
there,
what
can
I
say?
#66:
Okay,
I
have
no
further
questions.
#01:
I
don't
have
anymore
answers.
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