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S:
other places
that
I
didn't see,
that was the input for that data.
What
I would like to do is to continue on this.
I have been doing
it
without the benefit of questions which takes
longer to
do.
It takes
days instead of minutes.
I can easily access that day if
you want
to
walk me around and
I will describe what
I
can in addition to what
I have*
H:
On 10 May an event may occur that should be visible.
S:
After this
you
can key to that sentence by saying event and
I will
just write that word down.
H:
Event.
S:
I have
a tall building.
(Drawing,
p.
1)
H:
Event.
S:
I have people
lying down.
(Drawing,
p.
2)
H:
Event.
S:
I have people standing up,
they are
linecfup. ^Ttiis
in a building
\
where there
is
a window to the
left.
They are
lined up against the wall
and one of
these people
is
the fellow with the white shirt, which
is
hostage A.
He
is
lined up with the other members
of his group, against
\
the wall.
There
is
a fellow standing over here and there
is
a fellow
standing over here,
and this fellow is
looking out
the window.
And the
J
fellow standing behind him has
a weapon that
is held on these people
lined up against the wall.
H
:
Event
.
S:
I hear rapid popping and it
is
a fairly nice day and the sky is
a nice
blue,
it
is
clear,
there are a few puffy clouds,
a very very slight
*
breeze.
I hear shouting.
The commotion seems,
if
you are
looking out
the window of
the apartment where hostage A is
located,
it
seems
to be
to the
left
(and as
opposed to across
the street,
it
is not across the
street
,
it
is to the
left and down the street )
,
because one of these
captors
in the apartment
is
looking out the window and he
is turned to
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the
left and he
is
looking down the street.
There are seven captors
in the apartment.
There are three
in the hall and one on the stairs,
three down in front
in the entrance area and there
is one in the street
but
you wouldn't know he was
a captor by his
looks,
by his dress.
He
is standing there
like a passerby but he
is
in fact a front-man
out on the street
, and that ^it/isV
So what ever
that adds up to that
is the total number of captors with that group of people.
There
is
no-
one on the rooftop of that building,
just on that one floor and the
hall.
It
is
like they have taken over that
floor.
H:
Event.
S:
The busses,
I
don't know what
is interesting about
these busses,
but
they are busses
that are on the street and there are a
lot of
them.
They are parked
like tour busses which pull up all behind each other
along the
curb.
Except
the first one pulled up against
the
curb and
the 2nd
is in the process of pulling up,
but the others are not pulling
up,
they are sort
of
like disarrayed,
nonparallel in the street,
at
oblique angles
to the street.
So a plan view would show busses
that
are at angles
to each other,
it
is
not
like they are passing each other,
they are stationary.
I can hear this popping noise.
Then
I hear
shouting and then someone runs into the apartment
building and runs
up the stairs and down the hall and into this room and is shouting at
the people.
Then there
is an exchange
of conversation and this fellow
goes
to the window and
looks
out
the window and he
is
looking down
the
street and he sees
smoke and he sees
fire,
but
he sees more smoke than
he sees
fire.
Then you have these noises,
more shouting,
people
scur/ing about and
a
lot of
commotion.
While this
is happening,
while
A
this fellow is
looking out the windows the other
captors get
the
hostages and
line them up against the wall, with their faces to the
wall and their backs to the room.
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H:
Event
S:
There
is
a one-storied structure,
there
is
a car parked next
to this
structure,
it
is
a station wagon.
There are people that are nearby
*
this station wagon,
crou^ched down.
The general feeling
is
of general
confusion.
It
seems
that there
is
one spoken rumor that
came
to these
people
in the apartment,
and that was
something that has
put
them on
their guard and they put these hostages against the wall.
But
there
are other things going on and these people are
just watching,
they are
not
doing anything they are
just watching.
There
is something taking
place that
is across
the street and to the
left,
in that direction.
I
think that
is
all
I am going to get
on the word event.
H:
I would
like
to consider moving earlier,
there must
have been
a
first
point that
triggered the event.
I wonder
if we could use the word point.
What
is
the
first point
that triggered this event?
S:
People emerge from an underground conduit,
it
ma^lae
the
sewers,
but
an underground conduit.
They came up near the motor pool area.
I
should mention that
the sky
is
blue and there are puffy clouds
and
it
is
a nice day,
but
it
is dusk,
or daybreak,
dawn.
But
the sun
is
not
up,
just
a nice sky glow.
Because when they come up there are no
shadows.
(Drawing,
p.
4)
H:
Should we do some more first points or do you think that
covers
it?
S:
I think that
covers
it.
Do you want to go back before that?
H:
Let's target
on hostage A on May
11.
I'll say A on the
11th.
S:
His
body
is
bent,
like he could be sitting.
He
is
not standing up
straight and he
is
not
prone
lying down straight.
He
is
bent.
He
could be kneeling
like that or he
could be sitting up,
but
this position.
Maybe
I should try to describe his surroundings.
He
is
bound,
he
is
bound around his arms and around his
chest and he
is bound across
his
legs,
down near his ankles.
He
is being
carried,
that
is why he
is
in this position.
He
is being carried underneath the arms and he
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S:
S:
is sitting
like this and his
legs are out-stretched in front of him.
H:
B on the
11th.
S:
I
don't see him.
H:
B on the
11th.
S:
He
is
not where he was
before.
He
is
not
in the motor pool area.
I don't find him,
I don't have a perception of him.
H:
A on the
11th and his surroundings.
S:
He
is
outside.
Nearby
is
a truck that has
a metal or a frame that
is
covered with canvas.
There are
a
few people in the truck,
it
is
a big truck,
and there are perhaps
8 people there.
He
is in the cargo
area,
there are
2 people in the front.
We can do a time scan on the
truck and see where
it goes.
All
you have to say is spatially track
the truck.
Spatially track the truck. (Drawing,
p.
7)
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It drives
out
of
the city and drives into the surrounding countryside
into
a rocky area that has one storey buildings.
Several one-storey
buildings with flat top roofs
that have walls on the tops.
They are
on top of
a hill and there are mountains in the background,
but
the
road rises up this hill and these one-storey buildings are alongside
the road.
And there are a
lot
of them dotted over,
I had a good view
of that
hill.
Some are down the side of the road and some are up the
side
of the road and this
is
its destination.
He
is being moved here.
It
is very rocky,
there are no trees around or very very few,
just
scrub trees,
it
is very dry and arid and the people have things
across their faces.
All the people
I see have things across their
faces.
(Drawing,
p.
8)
Can you describe who
came in the truck?
The fellow with the balding head.
All of
the people in his group
that were in the apartment,
are
in the truck.
In addition there are
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three other people that are there.
and they are blindfolded and they are gagged and they are bound.
It
is
a very very bumpy ride,
they are just being thrown all over.
The
truck is going through pot-holes.
There
is silence.
There are about
19 or 20 captors up here and there are 8 hostages in this truck and
there are
5 other hostages here,
or
6.
So there are about 15 hostages
here.
They are not in buildings on the toad,
they are in buildings
off the road.
But they are on the same side of the road,
they are on
the uphill
side of the road.
You can see the
city, from here.
H
:
Tehran?
S:
Yes,
H:
How about on May 11th we
look at that helicopter on the football field?
Helicopter on the
11th. (Drawing,
p,
9)
S:
That
is
the aspect
of
that helicopter,
I don't know what
type that
is
(this
is
on drawing page 9).
It
is
not
a
large helicopter,
it
carries
about a dozen people.
It
is an army helicopter,
it
seems to be
Iranian
army.
There
is
a fairly high ranking person that
came in the helicopter
A military person.
That person went to the ambassador's residence.
H:
Do you know what nationality he was?
S:
Iranian.
It
is
a small group and they are walking around the
embassy compound and then they are driving
in
a car.
They are driving
in a car from the football field to the ambassador's residence and
then they drive to the chancellery building and then they walk from
the
chancellery building to the motor pool.
H:
This may be abstract,
but how about targeting on the word purpose.
This
is
still on the
11th and has to do with the helicopter and man
you are describing.
Purpose?
S:
The first impression was
one of sabers,
the type you would wear on your
belt
in a dress parade.
The feeling of walking around was
one of
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dignity,
like
you are in
a dress parade,
but
he
is not in a dress parade
He
is walking around with a sword,
the feeling
is—what
is the word
the words
like it are
it
is
a show,
it
is an honor,
it
is
a duty but
an honor,
he
is on tour,
he
is
reviewing the situation,
those are the
right words
but there
is
one that
captures
this
exact feeling.
There
is no pressure on him to do anything at
this moment
other than to
review the situation,
that
is was
he
is. doing.
He
is walking around
with this attitude of great dignity and pride and he
is reviewing the
situation with that attitude.
So he
is
looking around and he
is
on a
general's
tour,
and he
is assuming that stature.
As
if
it was
a dress
parade but
it
is more serious than that,
he
is
just
looking around and
noting things and his people are behind him taking notes and he
is
just
directing traffic with a small something that
is about
that
long and
he has
it
in his
hand,
it
is
a couple of
feet
long,
like a wand or
baton.
It
is an inspection,
review the situation and inspect
it.
We could try to find
the other hostages.
Hr
Do you want
to call these collectively hostage group?
S:
Group one.
H:
Then we
could trigger on hostage group two.
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S:
Hostage group two has
one
of the blacks
in it.
There was
a woman in
the ambassador's residence and this
fellow,
let
me use him as
the key
to find
them.
He
is
fairly thin and
he
has
a mustache and a scrubby
beard and
he
is with
4 other men.
They are
located.
H:
I
can give
you
the trigger word
location.
Hostage Group
2,
location.
S:
They are
located
in
a room that has
a high ceiling
but
it
is
narrow.
And there are
pipes
nearby.
The walls are concrete and they are
below
ground in a basement.
There
is water on the floor and there
is
a
drone
in the background.
A machinery drone in the background.
I
can
locate
them relative
to the embassy.
All
I
need are the words,
spatial
track.
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I'll use the flag
pole
in
Iran as one point,
and
I'll use him as
the
second point,
and then
I'll
just need the words spatial track.
H:
Spatial track.
S:
He
is in the
city of Tehran about
2.2 kilometers distance from the
flag pole.
He
is
in a building that
is
a power plant
,
that type
of
function,
it generates power.
It
is
a government building,
in their
sense
of the term government building.
It
is
fenced and has
a
large
open area around the building.
Then there are these uprights with
grid
line power coming off of it.
He
is
in the basement of that
building.
There are other people there
too.
That
is
5 more.
H:
So that
means we have hostage group
is
in this outer city and they
are the ones
that used to be in the apartment.
So this
is hostage
group 2.
Is this
a new location for them?
S:
What day did we do this
on, we didn't pick a
day.
H:
I am assuming this
is all post
10th because that
is
the
track we had
gotten on the others.
On the
11th,
hostage group 2,
location.
S:
Yes,
I get
the grids,
I get the power-line grids.
This may not
be the
actual generating plant,
it may be a substation.
But
there
is
this
power-line grid with the upright
poles and you can hear this
hum,
and it
is
a
concrete building.
H:
You mentioned
a woman in the ambassador's residence.
But she
is
not
part
of these groups or
is she?
S
:
No
.
H:
Do
you want
to have a hostage group 3 associated with her?
S:
She was
in the ambassador's residence,
but
she
is
not
there on the
11th.
I don't
see any hostages on the embassy grounds
on the
11th.
She was
one of
the 30 people on the grounds before the
10th.
But
I
don't
see
any hostages there on the
11th.
H:
Do you want to have a hostage group
3 that includes her?
Hostage
group
3,
location.
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S:
don't
find her.
H:
Location.
S:
Nothing.
H:
Location.
S;
No.
I don't
find her.
H:
Shall we define
a hostage group 4?
S:
I should be specific,
I mean
I don't
find her on the embassy grounds.
She was
not
in the chancellery building,
she was
not
in the ambassador's
residence and
I didn't pick up anything else.
H:
Maybe you should try a few more locations.
Location
S:
I can describe the room that
she was
in,
but
she
is
not there now.
H:
There could be
a couple of reasons,
if we want to be analytical about
it.
Maybe she
is
not
a hostage anymore,
or maybe something has happened
to her.
Let's
target on her again and use the word feeling.
Feeling.
S:
She
is thinking about,
her mind
is almost blank,
dazed.
She
is
dazed,
shocked.
Things are happening to her and she
is being moved around
and she
is
not fully conscious
of
it,
conscious
of all
that
is happening.
H:
That
could be why she
is hard to trigger on, mentally she may be scattered
S:
There
is
a consciousness there but
it
is shocked.
I have her
lying down.
And there
is white,
a sheet
is covering her.
She has been shot.
That
is her state
of shocked mind and dazed,
and not fully conscious.
It
would be nice to know where
she was.
H:
We can try location of her.
Location.
S:
I have
light coming
in through a window?*
It
is very quiet.
There
is
an upright stand next
to her with one
of these bottles,
plasma stands
or whatever they are called,
IV.
It
is not
light coming through
a window.
There are
no windows,
they are recessed lights
in the
ceiling,
but
there are no windows.
But
the
light
is
coming down in all
directions
as
if there were big windows.
It
is extremely quiet.
It
is a fairly
small room.
What
is peculiar about
these white sheets
is that they
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are pulled, they have an edge that has been pulled back over and then
stretched
like this,
it.
is very very prim,
and crisp, and proper.
The corners on the ends
of the bed are folded back under and tucked
under.
They are folded under and then there
is
a wedge that
comes
down at an angle.
The bed
looks
like there
is
no one in it,
but
there
is.
There
is
just
this
little bump.
I
can find her relative
to the embassy.
H:
Spatial track.
*
S:
800 km from Tehran,
on a ship.
I see
a
land/water interface as
I go
from here to the point where she
is
.
I was over sand,
land/water
interface,
ship.
I see the ship coming up,
into the ship, slightly
aft,
right into the
ship where she was.
I wonder
if that means
they
are going to
try again.
H:
There
is an interpretation
I have that would fit,
but
I don't want
to
give any analysis
to it.
Do you want
to try for more?
S:
There
is
certainly enough here
that when Saturday rolls around, we
will know.
Why don't we stop,
and wait
for feedback.
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