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#36:
Brass plug under
.
.
under the
desk,
on the
floor.
Beautiful
chandelier.
I
don't
get
this.
They ought
to be
in the
bedroom.
Chandelier
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#66:
Communications devices?
#36:
I'm looking for
it.
Yeah.
Ought
to be
something like that.
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#66:
Just
look
for
it;
don't manufacture
it.
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#36:
Got
some
funny
furniture,
but
I ...
I
wouldn't.
.
.
I
don't know
if
it houses
anything.
I
don't believe this.
I
don't
know.
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There's
a ...
I
don't know
if
this
is
the
same desk.
I
think its the same
room.
Its
got ...
a red phone but
I
don't think
its
connected.
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Real
fancy desk.
I'm going to
look
for that
other
guy.
#66:
Fine.
I
am now looking
at
the one without
a
beard.
I’m looking at him directly.
Focus
your attention on
him.
.
.
and describe the
area to
me.
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#36:
The room
is
.
.
.
primarily white with
.
.
looks
like some fancy plaster molding between
the ceiling and the
roof;
ceiling and the wall.
There
is
.
.
.
its white
.
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#66:
What's
going on
in
the room?
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#36:
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I
think
.
.
.
There ought
to be beds here.
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This
guys curled up on something - got his
knees drawn
up.
And he
.
.
.
.
Let me
see.
.
Carpet
on
the floor and tile.
I
see some guys over there
I
don't
know.
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#66:
How does one
get
into this room?
#36:
Wait
a minute.
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There's
a big tall
door about ...
10 foot
tall.
I
don't know why
in the hell
I
said
that;
that's stupid.
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#66:
Simply describe,
don't
analyze.
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#36:
Wait
a minute.
Wait
a minute.
#66:
Relax and concentrate and focus your attention
and when you're ready,
describe.
#36:
I
see ...
a ....
I think there's
a door
in the roof of this room.
#66:
All right.
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#36:
Just
let me ...
I ...
I wonder
-
a door
in
the ceiling.
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#66:
Tell me what makes you say that?
#36:
I
just had
a look around and
I
.
.
.
this
.
.
thing/this
shape,
just
appeared.
Like
a door
laying flat and
I was under
it.
Its somewhere
in this room;
it must be
in
the ceiling.
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Its
like
a
.
.
Looked like two panels.
.
.
Its twice
as
long
as
it
is wide and
it
is two
panels
.
There's somebody on the
roof.
Outside.
There's somebody up there.
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Its
.
.
.
Its
not
our people.
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#66:
Okay.
I
have no further questions.
I'd like you,
at this
time,
to make
any comments
that
you
feel you'd like
to make.
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#36:
Wait
a minute.
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I
see what
appears
to be
.
.a curved portion
of
a room.
Curved wall.
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I ...
I
saw
a hand reaching,
trying to
stretch
to someone
to help them up
on something,
I
think.
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Okay
.
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I
guess
a pitched roof building and the main
entrance
is
where that
guy was
standing.
I mean
in that
direction.
I
said South.
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Okay,
I
don’t want you to
get
too
far out
now.
We’re interested
in the description
of these
two areas.
You've done just
fine.
So relax
and concentrate.
Relax and concentrate.
Remember the
images
that you've
had.
Remember
clearly and concisely,
every detail,
all the
images
that you've had.
Bring your attention
to focus back into the room now.
Move your arms,
move your
legs.
Sit up and draw those impressions
that you had.
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I
don't understand this.
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Would you like some overhead light?
Yeah,
I
guess.
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Huh!
I never looked at that wall.
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When you're ready,
as many little labels and
diagrams
and arrows that you can put on
the
actual picture
itself,
the better.
Because we
may have to
give someone
just
the picture with-
out
any words
.
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There were people on couches and things
.
I
just
got
glimpses
of them.
I
don't know exactly
where these couches were.
There's also some
people.
.
.
in on the
floor over
here.
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That's the way,
that's
good.
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:
You can just
add
a
few words
to the side
like you say
a chandelier.
.
in
the room,
and
things
like that.
How
in the hell
do you spell chandelier?
With
a
ch.
Right
.
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chande
.
.
lier
.
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You said
it had fancy carpeting too?
Um hm.
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And you made
a comment
at
the beginning that
this didn't
look like
what you might have
assumed you would find when you'd look
for
these people.
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Another word for stanchons
is
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Okay
.
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There was furniture like
I've never seen
before.
Very fancy chairs.
Fancy.
.
antique,
I
guess,
you know.
I
can't
draw that fancy stuff.
Okay,
why don't you
go on
to the second area
where the second gentlement
is
located.
The
.
.
.
That room was very
clear,
but
I
can't
get
all
that
fancy
stuff.
There was
even gold colored cords with tassels
on
them.
Okay
.
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#36:
I
saw
a guy that had
a beard all doubled up
sleeping close
to me towards or against
something.
I
don't
know,
a couch or something
else.
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Over here were some people
.
.
.
lying on
the
floor
#66:
Do you feel this
is
a different
area than the
other area?
#36:
Oh,
most
certainly.
This had fancy stuff up here but
it wasn’t
painted.
It was painted white.
There appeared
to be something on the ceiling like that.
That
could be
a light,
but
I
had the distinct
feeling of
a window or
door,
an opening through
to the outside.
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I
don't know why,
but. ...
I
couldn't
.
.
I
don't
remember any windows
in the blame
place but there was
a
.
.
.
very tall
door and
I
didn't
.
.
I
didn't
see
any guard or anything.
I was
aware of someone
on the
roof.
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Urn hm.
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Maybe
a skylight,
I
don’t
know,
There w
a
s
~"SomUTTring over here
in this
corner.
I
couldn't make
it
out.
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What'd
I
say that
color was?
Maroon?
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Okay,
that's about
it.
Okay.
Write
a number
down here for this.
Okay,
that's
good.
These stanchon gizmos were fluted
and there
was
a
.
.
.
Which room were these
in?
These were
in that
first
room.
And then
there 'd be open panel
and then this thing
'
would repeat
again.
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They stuck out
from the wall,
or
.
.
?
They stuck out
from the wall,
urn
hm.
Okay.
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The ceiling had all kinds of
fancy,
symetrical
stuff on
it
Okay.
Stanchons
are pillar-like things that stuck
out from the wall
a little bit.
Were they
decorative
or supportive?
Um hm.
Decorative,
I
think.
I'm sure they
supported
-
I mean they covered
a support.
Um
hm.
But they were very decorative.
Okay
Can we
go back to Drawing
1 here and indicate
which wall you think those were on
in Drawing
1.
Right
here.
Okay.
Write
see Drawing
3.
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#66:
Put your number down
here.
The chief
analyst will
get me
for that
.
#36:
Okay.
He's
a God damn bear.
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Here's where the phone was.
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I
don't
think
it was hooked up and this
is
the desk that had the brass plate under
it
.
#66
:
Okay
.
#36:
I would have thought
there would have been
a
lot more austere than what
I
saw.
I may
have been,
you know,
clean across the God damn
somewhere else,
but
.
.
.
#66:
Anything else you want
to add?
#36:
Only my complete surprise that
(not
audible)
more austere
-
like
a big Government building.
#66:
Okay.
That'll
do
it
then.
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