Approved For Release 2000/08/07 GEER Edoorssro001 00030001-8 ORCON/NOFORN INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROJECT SESSION REPORT py pA Op CLASSIFIED BY: Director,DIA REVIEW ON: 30 Sep 99 EXTENDED BY: Director, DIA REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6) Approved For Release 2000 PET coermnertoktb aL FL AME eT)
Approved For Release zoooiosio7 SrA gifs qpo07s8r2000100030001- SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSIONS C 54 AND C 55 1. (S) mis levort provides documentation of two of four remote viewing sessions (see also C47 and C53) conducted in compliance with a request from OACSI, DA. This office was requested to provide information concerning what was described SGIA 2. (8) The remote viewer was highly motivated during these sessions. He was able to achieve a better than normal relaxed state and his impressiongof the target area were unusually clear to him. On the first session, the remote viewer was told that information had been requested about a building in the vicinity of a geographic coordina l SGIA 3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (8S) Following are transcripts of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing sessions. At TAB A are drawings made by the viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At - TAB C is available target data. At TAB B are initial target correlation data sheets. Approved For Release ~ VT CS”
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8 Sess (on TAB Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8
J Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : OGRE 2sr000100030001-8 TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION C 54 #66: This will be a remote viewing session (edited for security). PAUSE Let's focus now on the target for this afternoon. Interested in finding out about a building located at SG1A PAUSE wv Relax and concentrate. Concentrate. PAUSE #1: I see a. . low silhouette building. And its in the shape of an "ZL". PAUSE And there . . there appears . . I take that back. There's . . there's . . Its not right. There's. - « Its.a low, low silhouette building and its - - « Kind of got a drab .. drab appearance. Its not square, its . . rectangular. PAUSE Appears to be about . . . 25% longer than it is wide. PAUSE There's . . what .. appears to be atall.. tall thing next to it. With ..t21.. I want to say, guide wires, but there's no guide wires ~~ there. Its very tall like maybe a .. a smoke- stack. Looks like a smokestack. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : SECRET
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA®® #66: #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: 568R000100030001-8 What is your. . (Not audible) What is your position, your observation? What is... Ohhh. . - - is your position of observation? Sort of South, Southwest of the building. Looking at it diagonally across the top. Tell me more about the building. Its... PAUSE Its got a. . pitched roof. And its ..I don't see any windows. Its got two large metal doors. They appear to be metal doors. And ...4I1 get the feeling of a lot of wood for some reason. PAUSE There's a. . There's like a ledge piece it looks like . . that goes sort of down one side. I. . I want to say its a ramp, but its not a ramp. Its . . appears to be some kind of a overhang type ledge that kind of runs around the one side. Its . . That's really all I can say about it. PAUSE There's . . . Wait a minute! There's something - « « something unique about it. I can't... I'm seeing . . a triangle, . . not a triangle, its shaped like a triangle. Like three inter- secting lines. . that are . . like connecting three upright supports together. And they're either right in the corner of the building or they're on top of the building. PAUSE Looks a lot like a very, very large antenna. Some kind of support poles. PAUSE Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA R000100030001-8 #66: #1: #663 #1: #663 #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: There's ... PAUSE Jesus Christ! #66, it sounds like Grand Central Station out there. (NOTE: Referring to noise outside viewing room.) Well. . . we thought we'd arrange a special for you this afternoon. Okay, for that. Would you like to know what goes on inside this building? Ah. . . Yeah, I would. Let's ask a few more questions before we move inside the building here. Tell me what the odor of the area is. What's the area smell like? PAUSE It smells like a gas plant. Natural gas. But not a fuel, oil or a... Its got a strange stink to it though. PAUSE More like . . Its kind of like an acrid scent to it like sulphur would have. But I smell a lot of natural gas mixed in with that. For some reason. Like there's a... Like there's a smelting or a melting or something. Its very - - ». More of an acrid smell. All right. Let's move on then and what's the temperature like? Outside or inside? Work on the outside. The outside. PAUSE Its cool outside. Okay. Very cool. Butt. . I got the feeling that you wouldn't have too much trouble staying warm here. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP9$6-00788R000100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ARTEREEE,coooroonsooor PAUSE I... 2. . For some reason there appears to be like an open end to this building and there's . . « there's .. . There are like large, large, I want to say tank like objects. Big, you know, roll up tank like objects. But... #66¢ All right, now tell me where these objects are located in relation to the building. #1: They're . . well there are some that are. . They're. . . like the end of the building's kind of open like and there's like a .. there's like some that are under the edge of that, that open end of the building. I don't know how to explain that .. . I feel like they're sort of inside or outside of the building at the same time. Sort of like there should be an end to the building but there isn't. And they are kind of under this big overhang of the roof. #66: All right, describe your position of observation please. #1: Looking directly at the back. #66: All right I want you to stand on the ground at the back please. #1: Okay. PAUSE Stand on the ground? Okay, I'm in like a parking area. Appears like . . courtyard area. That's not right, its a .. There's things like laid out fairly orderly there. #66: Can you see these objects that you had before? #1: Yes. They're like all around me. #662 All right. #1: I ..tH1. . get the impression of neat rows. PAUSE I also get the impression of heat. PAUSE 000100030001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-0078 ‘
Approved For Release 2000/0810 FEFEPERITY 237000100030001-8 Thick metal and heat. #66: All right. PAUSE Just relax and concentrate for a minute. #1: And I get the feeling that I can't see over them but I can really. To see orderly rows I have to look through these objects. #66: All right. What... #1: (Not audible) #66: What direction are you facing? #1: The .. #66: Are you facing into the building? away from the building? #1: I'm facing into the building #66. #66: All right. #1: I'm looking under that overhanging roof. There's two big black... to be black openings. One on each Are you facing section of what appears side. #66: All right. #1: And I see . . what appears to be . some kind 7 of cranes on sliding type overhang pieces. #66: All right. #1: One on each side. #66: Fine. #1: These are like super images. They're like carry things. Very heavy. #66: All right. #1: Objects. #662 Now .. um. . Where are they in relation to the building? Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- R000 100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA } ale R000100030001-8 #1: They're fastened to it. They. . . They're outside and somehow they're fastened to them. Fastened to it. PAUSE Oh wait! They're . . There's .. . There's... There's a cross piece at the top of these two. . two crane like objects. And... it appears that that part of the crane is moveable. I think I'm getting the feeling they're attached to the building because I'm looking . . looking . . . through them for some reason. I don't understand how I can do that. #66: Okay. Um. . These things that ..a.. are partly in the building and partly out of the building? #1: Yeah. #66: What do the cranes have to do with them? PAUSE #1: They're . . They work on them with these. There . . . there seems to be .... There's some kind ~ of railroad or some kind of big slide type rail with brackets fastened to it. . . that these things slide on, these big things. #66: Yeah, um hm. #1: And ...and...tI'm.. I'm seeing... — some kind of a... Jesus! This is really a7 mind blowing. I'm seeing fins, but they're not \ | - . . they're not rocket fins or plane fins or anything there. #66: Yes, that's very good. Go on. #13 They're . » They look like shark fins. #66: All right. #1: Very much like shark fins. A #66: All right. Fine. #1: And they're . . . they're dark dull Y and they're jutting throug ese doors like. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-02738
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ot ete fer:000100030001. ft #663 #1: #66: #66: #1 #663 #1: #66: #1: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- All right. Fine. I want you to stand. listen very carefully. Stand in the opening where these things jut out and look away from the build- ing, directly away from the building. Okay. Um hm. I see a... First, I see a lot of fencing. Everywhere. And I see an open area that's got what looks like different . . different constructed pieces of metal laying in neat stacks ...I don't ..a lot of curved pieces of metal. And then more fencing. And there's a lot of . . There's a lot of .. spot lights, flood lights. And avery... And its all covering of . .a very large concrete structure. Extremely large. It. Now... There's water, there's a lot of water there. Fine. Tell me about this large concrete structure. PAUSE Its floating on the water. At that weight. PAUSE God damn it! PAUSE Its .. . I want to say its floating on the water but its not. Its got water under it and around it, part of it. I think. PAUSE There's . . . intense lighting in this building. Which building? And all around it. The big concrete structure. This concrete structure is a building? PAUSE It appears to be hollowed somewhat inside. It... -88R000100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Cl 86 788R000100030001-8 I have to say its some kind of a building, but like its very unusual. Very, very large in concrete. Very hardened. #66: And this is different than the building that you told me about before? #1: Yes. PAUSE Its like if you were to . . bury a shoe box in. . five feet of steel reinforced concrete, - . » and then worked inside the shoe box. Its like a very .. very . . heavily constructed . « « Some. .. its a structure, but it .. its got something wrong. There's people working in it. #66: What's your position of observation please? #1: Looking through it. #66: All right, move inside of it. . so you are not forced to look through it. Move inside the building, the big concrete structure, move inside. #1: There's water in there. (Not audible). Its “rr not full of water, there's just water in there. I... Lot of metal railing. And... what appears to be . . some . . some kind of tubular thing. Some kind of a . . Some kind of an immense rack type object. Say its brilliantly lit inside. I... I get the feeling of intense light. And noise. Like some kind ofa..a. some kind of a work bay or something. There's . I keep seeing this . . this oblong bay of water for some reason. And, there appears to bea. . a. . form of a. . huge bracket type apparatus. Its got circular gripping arms on it for some reason. And there's. . . a lot of intense noise and lighting. A lot of lighting. Lights everywhere. Outside and inside it appears. There's ...HI keep wanting to say there's a... there'sa.. dark, a very dark object there but I can't. . IT can;t tell what it is. Its like a shadow type . - . thing. But its very large. #663 In what terms do you mean very large? #1: Tall, but longer than tall. But I..tHI. . can see the . . the .. see the tall part. And it Approved For Release 3000/68/07 : CIA-RDPS6-bo7asRovo100030001-8O"* Teason, T
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : cin Sp eebeve 100020001. #66: #1: #66: #1: #663 #1: #66: #66: #1: #663 #1: #66: #1: #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-9 D7 BER see a...a. . seeing a red flag with a red star on a black background like there's night time behind it. And I think this is on this dark object but I can't . . tell what it is. Its absolutely smooth. All right. What's the temperature . . . inside this building? Inside, very warm. PAUSE Very warm. There's... Describe the odor. The odor is . . very, very strong. Very strong. Acrid smell. Almost like they're burning metal smell. All right. PAUSE Same smell you would get if you were. . next to a. .a very intense. . arc weld. All right. Arc welding. Yeah, I sense there's that, probably that activity there. ‘Okay. PAUSE I want -you to come back outside the area now; back outside the area now. Okay. I see a very large body of water there. It has two sections of land that curve out and then back in from both directions. . All right. ; : . LU Like a protected bay or something. Very good. Protected bay. Very good. L09030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : cE cos coso001- PAUSE #66: This is all the questions that I have about the target. I would like you. . #1: This... This isa. #66: I would like to provide you the opportunity to say anything now thatyou would like to say about the target. #1: The . . I'm getting a very, very strong impression af of props. In the main building, the large tall building that's got the. . the open end. You know, I. .tI1. . There's some kind of ship. Some kind of . . vessel. I get the imrpession. #66: All right, fine. #1: Large, very large. PAUSE And. . . There's something else. Let me concentrate on it a minute. #663 This is fine. This is your opportunity to add anything you'd like to add. I will wait for your reply. PAUSE #1: I'm getting this strongest feeling that these things are not constructed here; that there's ~~ some kind of modification going on. . . andl see some kind of . . some kind of complex. . some kind of . . complex. . that thing I saw earlier with the curved gripping arms. There's some kind of complex thing like that that's on the . . . laid out on the backs of these vessels or these ships. And there. .. that's the modifi- cation has something to do with that. These bracket type, large bracket type things . . are being modified. Something's being done to those. And... And... . God, I can't put my finger on it. PAUSE Well, that's all I got. #66 All right. Fine. I want you to sit up now and draw those impressions that you had and feel free to draw those things that you feel you want to Approved For Release 3560/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : SSEPREF, cccoosco020001 PAUSE #1: Just a minute. #66 All right. PAUSE How do you feel about this session? #1: Good. It was like all of a sudden everything just came together. Very, very strong impressions. Particularly at the back of that large building with the openings. PAUSE I wish I could tell what that God damn fin was to because I think that's very significant. PAUSE Ohhhhbh. #663 All right? #1: Yep. #663 I'm going to open the blinds here and give you~ a little bit of light to draw. PAUSE #1: There's. . . Page 1, we'll make this. . kind of long, tall wide building. I kept saying it looked a little flat. Because you get that impression because its much wider than the normal building would be and I got the impression that where the end should be it kind of overhung quite a bit. For some reason. I'm going to try to draw it from the perspective that I was viewing it. #66: Okay, when you say its flat, and then later you tell me about these. . #1: Well. . #66: | large things inside? #1: Its got a. .a roof like that. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- 000100030001-8 16.00788R ‘y
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : OSEETETsoooson0:- #66: Oh, I see what you're saying. #1: What I'm saying is in pro... its size, proportionate size, makes it appear to be lower and flater than what it is, but is really a huge, like a factory. Almost like a factory building. #66: Okay. #1: And its very, very large. And I get the feeling like this end, for some reason, was a free supported overhang. And then. . . the sides kind of came out. PAUSE Like the sides sort of came out like this and you could look back up under it. And back up under it there was .. on the left side, was a very large door. Like a. . almost like an aircraft hangar opening. And on the right was a very large door. . . much like it. It reminds me a lot of a .. reminds me a lot of a steel plant. Only, I don;t think they make steel, I know they don't make steel here. They're making something out of steel. At least I'm left with thatimpression. And then also standing back here there's like what appeared to be .. . well, there appeared to be something with fins. Like there were some kind of fins right here. Fastened to something. Only this object was very dark. And there was one right here as well. And. . #66: Feel free to use any of the various colored pencils or other pens to make things appear in proper contrast. #1: Yeah. I don't know if I'd be good at that to tell you the truth. #66: I just wanted you to be expressive for shadowing whatever you want to do. #1: Yeah. Yeah. There's what appears to be a couple rails come out of here like this. And out of here like these objects are moved on rails, large rails. Some kind of a holding type bracket. And then overhead there was like a ..I-don't get a clear picture of this at all, but there's like a PAUSE ‘Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ~ ee } mT
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : cin BER eeoo 0020001 #663 #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: There's some kind of free standing crane over here. Like four-legged type thing with inter- connecting pieces. And, I'm not sure if this also rides those same rails or not, but it. it has a capacity for moving both directions. PAUSE They're . . for some reason I sense there was something coming . . that's the cross piece I was talking about. Um hm. This darked in area here. And the cross piece, but this is like a . .a crane or a lifting device of some sort. And... and there was two of those, one on each side. But down in this area was like . . light pieces of metal. Now. . just different shapes that were neatly laid out like . . . I'11 tell you what it looked like. When you lay out a jig saw puzzle before you work on a jug saw puzzle, you put all the right colors in one place, but all the appropriate pieces in another, all your half-moon shapes here, all your square pieces here -- it looked like an array of . . poker chips, you know, different color, sizes, models of poker chips. Just all these little puzzle pieces put in the right place. All right. Fine. And they were all metal. Or appeared to be some form of metal. PAUSE And then there was fencing all around this. An immense amount of fencing. With a lot of poled lights. With these poled lights shining back down in the . . these compounds. And a lot of activity and noise. Like there was a lot of work going on. That's the one building. PAUSE This other thing. Okay. That was . . we'll move on to Page 2 now? Page 2, yeah. 13 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Se
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Cl 8R000100030001-8 #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: #665 #1: #66: #1: #66: . This thing is a dog, #66. looking that way T had, on Page 1, looking at the building that way... Okay, looking into it from (not audible)? Into it from the open end. Yeah. The water and the other object are behind me. All right. Fine. So it was when I asked you to turn around and face the other direction (not audible)? You could see . . all these parts laid out. And fencing everywhere. Yeah. Okay. And beyond that this huge concrete type structure with bays or whatever they are right on the water, the edge of the water or over it. It almost appeared as if it was. . floating in the water for some reason. PAUSE I don't know how to approach this. . froma sketch viewpoint. Perhaps you can give me a series of sketches as your views developed. Okay, looking . . . I felt as if I was looking into . . . looking at this concrete structure that was . . this huge object with what appeared to be . . squares on this face that I was looking at. That's why I said building. I guess its not a building, its a functionary design of some sort. There was these huge squares. I get the feeling or the impression like these huge squares are the same kind of things that you would see ina... like in Holland ina... canal. For, you know, controlling the flow of water. When you want to pass a boat from one canal to another and the water leveis are different and you would use these big double doors that would swing shut, you know. Like canal locks. I see. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ~~ "ie : ee
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- ; #1 #663 #1 #1: #66: #1 #66: #1 #66: #1: #66 #1: #66: #1 8 #R000100030001-8 And somewhere in this mess on Page 4, I'll put it, somewhere in this mess is that very large . some kind of a thing that looks something like this. Like a... double piece of metal. I'm gonna turn the tape over now 'cause we're getting towards the end and I don't really want to miss anything so I'm going to go ahead and turn it over now. Okay. TURN OVER TAPE Confused about these things that clamp. But I get a very strong impression that this / clamp type thing is being modified or exchanged ” or something's being done with that. Okay, there's something going on (not audible)? Something going on. Modification wise. Okay, now in talking about size again, I still don't have an idea about this building that you're talking about. This cement structure. You say its big and there's some water inside of it or some- thing. And I'm not too sure I understand how much water is inside or. . . or . . how big this thing really is. Its . . . I get the impression that its ... that its a deliberately hardened building. By hardened I mean that they went to extremes to make it very strong. Uh huh. There's a lot of concrete in it. That . . you could easily pulla...a.. .150 foot ship if into the shallow water bay type thing inside. Oh, okay, now I have an idea how big it might be. Okay. sure. That kind of thing. But that's not the sole function of this place. I'm seeing these clamp like things and I don't know exactly how they're Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDB%6-00788R000100030001-8
‘Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-R £66: #1: #663 #1: #66: #1: £66: #1: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RD, #8 8RO00100030001-8 used or what they're for, but I get the impression that they're on something . . on something curved. That's dark black. That's... (Not audible) turb power of the wheels on that trash can. (NOTE: Reference noise outside viewing room. ) PAUSE I just don't know what these are. But, you somehow you seem to be trying to tell me that's there's something really important about these clamps, is that what TI hear you saying? Yeah. PAUSE There's something really important about the. . the . . . the whole function of this thing. This . . . complex or base or. . complex, I guess it'd be safer to call it complex. Its not a manu... . At first I thought it was a manufacturing thing, but its not. I get the impression that it . . the word "upgrade", the vv word "modification" becomes very apparent, or “ very strong for some reason. Okay. It would be like . . . if we were going to adapt all our M60 tanks, we would design and build this certain place that we just drive ouf’ tanks in one end, modify them and drive out the other end. That's it. All right. And that's the impression I have with this. . only this isn't tanks. T don't think. Well, all right. Pa Vw I'd say more, more . . some kind of a modification TO  ? of the sea going vessels of some sort, R900100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 ER. 001000200018 #66: #1: #66: #O6: #1: #66: All right. I don't have a feel for it .. kind of. Okay, we've been at this quite a while now, so we'd like to take a break, is there anything that you feel that you want to add now? Nope. That you haven't told me. Nope. Okay, that'll do it then. 18 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : She aD!
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8 TAB Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8
sme a ne f™ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8 —_ A é Oe in a ‘ wa iy , fi t g \ \ hi in 4 : ~ “4 5 4 a - . ~ “Re ge Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 imams essa ae mit wee Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : an A NE ET : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8 rg ¢ om i CIA-RDP96-00788R0001 00030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : AGG Ree Foor 000100020001- The modification's built in this section. Its built in this building. And taken to the other . . . the other building. That's ..I1I..TI get the impression that;s not the only modifica- tion going on there. I see what appears to be... ot < #66: What about these calmp type device that you saw ‘ before? ware AC wel #1: There's some . . some. . I didn't see the ‘ \ hydraulics before, but I see hydraulics associated with it. Lift type hydraulics. I don't... They're not. . PAUSE They're not . . They don't appear to be air hydraulics, they appear to be fluid hydraulics. A lot of overhead lifts - rail lifts. A lot of catwalks around this, this . . this mock up. I don't... I don't... . I think this is just the . . . preliminary model of production or something. PAUSE That. . . They havea... #66: How do they get this . . . out of here? #1: The mock up doesn't matter. They .. They... They . . . They take .. . They make the mock ‘up piece with the machines and I get the impression that then they can make the piece over and over. And the pieces are taken into the other building. #663 Okay, tell me about this other building. Where is it located? #1: Its .. . Its on the water side. Its . . probably #66: What size building is it? #1: 120 feet by maybe 350 feet. PAUSE Maybe a little smaller. 100 by 300. #6632 It doesn't sound nearly as big as the other building. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDB96-00788R000100030001-8