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Yes,
someone
made
a
special
effort
it
get
or
inches
away
from
that
thing
and clipped
it
away.
Okay
That
was
an
answer
to
my
question
as. to
what
is
so
important
about
the
briefcase,
why
did
you
bring
my
attention
to
the
briefcase
and
then
from
the
briefcase
to
the
photos.
Okay
Okay.
This happened before--
You
went
up stairs—
--I
went
up stairs.
Okay
And
a.. let
them
do
that.
The
nature
of
the
activity
in
the
room
was
rapidly
brought
to
a
. desk
lamp.
The
rest
of
the
room
was
extremely
dim.
There
was
a
man,
I’m
not
too
sure
if
it
was
the
bald
headed
man,
or
maybe
I
wanted
to
see
the
bald
beaded,
I
don't
know,
but
there
was
a
man
lying
on
the
bed,
on
his
elbow
expressing
the
thought,,
how
did
it
go”,
or
that,
that
this
phase
of
this
activity
which
is
important,
but. which
was
not
all
important,
like
phase
two
of
five
phases
went
without
hitch
like
it
was
asking
it
went
without
a
hitch
Umm
,
umm.
And
apparently
it
did.
The
a.. And
then
I
tried
to
find
out
what
the
nature
of
the
activity
in
the
room
was,
the
important
activity
in
the
room
was,
and
I
was
quickly
brought
to
this
desk
lamp.
And
I
thought
he
was going
to
look
at
the
photographs.
I
really
thought
that's
what
it
was
going
to
be
and
it
didn't
turn
out
to
be
like. that
at
all.
What
I
saw
were
pieces
of
glasses
like
slides
that
you
would
use
on
a
microscope,
and
about
or
6. viles,
plastic,
plastic
screw
on
viles,
about
inches
tall
with
little
plastic
caps,
and
a
little
chain
around
those,
about
or
of
them.
Umm,
urn.
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And
I
sort
of
forced
myself
to
find
out
what,
what
was
in
the
viles
and
I
got
the
impression
of
powder
and
pills
of
sort,
as
a,
and
I
said
is
this
the
real
nature
of
the
interest
and
the
answer
was
no,
there
is
a
small
piece
of
plastic
film
or
microchip
appearing
thing
that
was
in
there,
not
in
all
viles
but
in
one
or
two,
I
don't
know.
Then
I
lost
it.
#66:
Okay.
#08:
And
this
picture
of
the
desk
lamp
concentrating
this
beam
of
light
on
this
activity
was
steady,
it
was
not
interrupted
and
the
rest
of
the
room
was
kind
of
dark.
#66:
Okay,
now
I
want
to
make
sure
of
your
choice
of
words
.
#08:
It's
very
difficult.
#66:
Microchip or
#08:
The
size,
in
size.
#66:
Okay.
#08:
To express smallness.
#66:
Okay,
are
we talking microdot?
#08:
No,
no,
nothing
like
that,
nothing,
well
I
don't
know nothing
like.
#66:
You
didn't
get
a
flavor
of microdot
processing?
#08:
No,
the
piece
of
plastic
or
whatever
it
was,
was
the
item
of interest which
is
perhaps
the
size
of
a
thumb
nail,
square,
was
already
covered
in
another
piece
of
plastic.
#66:
So
it
seems
that
was.
#08:
In
an
envelope.
#66:
--there
was
something
that
was
very
small
and
protected
in
that.
#08:
Yes.
#66:
Okay.
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#08:
Then
I
don't
remember
the
rest,
you
can
pump
me
anymore^
I don't
think
that
was
it
was
it?
#66:
Well,
you
said
that
there
was
a
legal
and
an
illegal
activity.
#08:
Oh
yeah,
God
yes,
God
that
was,
I
got
involved
in
mathematics
there
because
I
could
not
get
something
material,
something
substantive
of
a
material
nature
to
describe
to
you
and
what
it
translated
was
that
the
nature
his
activity
which
was
legal
was
the
great
extent
of
his
activity
like
this
where
the
90%,
95% came
in--
#66:
And
what
do
you
think
that
legal
activity
is,
how
would
you describe
that
legal activity?
#08:
It
has,
I
found
later
that
it
was,
it
had
a
PR
flavor,
it
had
an
information
flavor,
it
had
like
a.. the
guy
was
acting
as
an intermediate
middle
man
involved
in
some
information
process.
I
want
to
quickly
say,
I
did
not
get
the
flavor
it
was
classified
information
at
all.
It
was
just
an
information
process
that
he
was
trying
to
put
across.
He
was
trying
to
sell
something
to
other
representatives,
for
lack
of
a
better
number,
and
that
they
were
interested.
And
he
then,
in
turn,
gave
the
impression
to
these
people
that
he
was
really
representing
their
individual
interests
against
the main
interest.
And
he
was
playing
both
sides
against
one
another.
#66:
Okay,
but
he
was
involved
in
some
sort
of
information exchange
with
other
people?
#08:
Yes,
then
I
went
back
to
further
clarify
to
tell
me
what
is
the
nature
of
the
business
at
hand
and
all
I
got
was
books.
#66:
And
this
is
the
legal
side?
#08:
That's
the
legal
side
of
it.
#66:
Books
and what
else?
#08:
Information
from
papers.
#66:
Books
and
information
from
papers
and
things
like
that
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#08:
And
that's
a s
raw
as
I
could
get
a nd
that's
all
I
got
#66
Okay
.
What
about
the
illegal
side
of
the
house?
#08:
The
illegal
side
of
the
house
was
obtained
from
that
portion
of which
was
legal.
#66:
Okay
•
#08:
Okay
,
which
he
wa s
noit
supposed
to
be
handing
over
or
giving
over
or
doing.
And
I
think
he
was
milking
both
interests
from
the
middle.
That's
as
much
as
I
can
tell
you.
#66:
You
said
something
about,
you
used
the
HUMINT
term,
okay,
I'll
just
remember
to word
that
one
#08:
That
was
a
cover.
#66:
Yeah,
some
sort
of
a
#08:
Oh
yeah,
he's
got
a
natural
cover
because
he's
representing
the
interest
of
the
firm.
#66:
Okay.
#08:
Okay,
so
his
activities
are
going
to
appear
all
legal
#66:
Okay.
#08:
Okay.
It's
as
if
I
were
going
to
HUMINT
conference,
okay,
but
say
I
had
a
meeting
on
the
side
with
an
attache
or
something,
that, ..if
I
spent
a
week
and
had
one
meeting,
that
would
represent
5 %
of
my
activity,
but
my
cover
would
natural,
because
HUMINT
would
have
sponsored
me
to
the
HUMINT
conference.
No
matter
who
followed
me,
that's
what
they
would
have
found,
because
that's
what
I
was
supposed
to
do.
#66:
So
you
feel
that
there
was
a
#08:
They're
working
within
the
legality
of
the
system
to accomplish
something
illegal.
#66:
All
right.
Do
you
have
any
idea
what
that
accomplishment
is?
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That's,
it
has
to
do
with
that
information
they're
not
supposed
to
release.
Okay
.
It
has
to
do
with
this
other
stupid
activity
about
a... the
photographs,
the
a
But
you
don't
have
any
other
information
on
right
now?
No,
just,
just
described
physical aspects
of
it.
Okay.
Maybe
we
will
be
able
in
later
explorations
to
get
some
more
information
on
that.
Back
to
the
scene
at
the
desk
and
the
lamp
and
looking
at
little
viles
and
powders
and
things,
and
I
asked
whether
or
not
this
was
microdot
oriented
and
you
said
no,
just
something
small
in
size.
Well,
microdot
is
something
on
a
newspaper
where
you
dot
the
"i"
if
you work
on microdot
so
I
Right,
okay.
Is
it
trades craft oriented?
Could
be,
yeah,
sure.
Did
you
get
a
feeling
that
it
was
trades
craft
oriented?
Absolutely,
you
could
have
an
entire
document
printed
on
that
piece
of
plastic
that
is
the
size
of
a
thumb
nail.
But
in
terms
of microdot--
You're
not
saying
that's
what
it
is,
you're
just
saying
that
it's
certainly
possible.
Sure,
absolutely.
Okay.
So
do
you
have
anything
else
in
summary
to
add
to
this?
No
,
no
.
Okay,
good.
Oh,
I
know
one
more
thing
I
wanted
to
ask,
I'm
sorry.
Recalling
in
your
mind,
the
entrance
before
the
glass
doors,
describe
the
main
thoroughfare
right
outside
this
place.
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#08:
Ah,
there was
very
little
traffic,
it
was
in
a
city
type environment,
very
old.
#66:
You
have
an
old
feeling
about
it?
#08:
Yeah,
ah
.
.
.
. like
.
.
. an
old
type
environment
with
a
pseudo
morden
hotel
but
not
that
extremely
plush
,
.
. a
.
. the
buildings
across
the
street
from
the
hotel
were
very
close
to
the,
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
road.
And
the
people
had
them
on
the
site
didn't
really
get
close
at
all,
they're
were
opposite
ends
of
the
street,
in
terms
of
yards,
I
don't
know,
maybe
to
yards
away.
One
was
in
place,
one
was
already
in
place
definitely
and
other
guy
just
petered
out.
#66:
But
in general
terms,
this
place
outside
the
hotel,
was
city
like,
there
were
buildings
right
at
the
sidewalk
which
is
right
at
the
street
as
opposed
to
being
set
back
a
big
distance.
#08:
Yes,
yes.
But
if
I
were
to
characterize
it,
it
would
not
have
been
in
the
extreme
middle
of
the
city
#66:
Okay.
#08:
Not
in
the
center
of
the
complete
activity,
somewhere
to
the
side,
but
still
part
of
the
city,
very much
part
of
the
city.
#66:
Okay.
Smaller
in
city
size
as opposed
to
being
#08:
--Yeah,
New
Yorkish.
#66:
Right,
not
big
giant
sky
rises?
#08:
No.
#66:
But
building
types.
#08:
Yes.
#66:
A built
up area.
#08:
Two
or
three
stories.
#66:
And
not
much traffic
at
the
particular
time.
#08:
No.
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#66:
Of course
it
was
a
little
later
in
the
afternoon.
#08:
That
was
weird.
In
fact
I
got
an
impression
of
darkness,
but
that
didn't
jive,
but
what
the
hell,
overcastish,
very
shadowy,
might
have
been
just
my
viewing
.
#66:
Sure.
Okay,
anything
else?
#08:
No.
#66:
Okay,
good.
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