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#31:
But they're not.
Then there's
a,
.
I found out later
on.
Then there's
.
That's something
a cross.
#66:
Is this where the
.
.
.
#31:
Cylinders were.
#66:
Okay.
Now,
at one time didn't you say like radio tubes
or something,
did
I
hear
you say?
#31:
Yeah,
radio tube shaped.
#66
:
Cylinders.
These are the shapes
of these cylinders?
#31:
Yes.
#66
:
Okay.
#31:
That should go like that.
There we
go.
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Okay,
that's like
.
.
you
know,
the line continues but
it gets covered up.
.
so you can't ...
#66:
Are they open shelves?
#31:
Yeah,
they're open shelves feeling,
you could access
them.
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Okay.
That type
of
a feeling.
Of racks.
Of
.
.
.
I could not figure out
.
.
.
for the life of me
.
,
it was
as though this thing was sitting there and there
was another one sitting there.
I'll just draw one like
in each corner.
Like that.
Okay.
And that sticking
out of this thing,
#66:
Is this something
on the shelf now
or ??
#31:
Yeah.
#66:
Container
on the shelf.
#31:
Container
on the shelf.
#66:
Oh
I
see,
like
a little box or something okay.
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#31:
That's not right.
That's wrong imagery.
I'm getting
too overlaps here.
That's what was
on the back
of the
truck.
That's what was
on the back of the truck.
I don't know if there were boxes there,
so
I'm going
to have to scratch that
out.
#66
:
Okay
#31:
All right.
What
I
did have was,
somehow laying
in
.
.
laying in order
in these things,
cause this
is
where
I got the yellow stripe around the back of
it.
#66:
On the cylinders there's some sort of yellow stripes?
#31:
Yeah.
They're laying in there okay.
#66 :
Urn hm
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#31:
Like that and there's
a yellow stripe right there.
#66:
Okay.
PAUSE
#31:
Okay,
the black
is the yellow.
These things
lay somehow
in,
you know,
they're resting or they're configured
somehow and there's some on each side,
okay.
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The size of these things,
I could not figure
out.
If
they were small
or if they were big.
I said at first
they looked like radio tubes.
They looked like
- they
could be of any size between
a rounded titted radio tube
to a large propane
-
a sedaline type cylinder size.
I
.
.
.
They were all alike and
I had various ideas like
Oh my goodness,
is this
a bomb;
is this
a propane cylinder;
is this
a sedaline cylinder;
is this a radio tube;
I
couldn't figure out what the size of
it was,
you
know.
What the magnitude
of
it was,
you
know,
but they are all
the general shape of that.
#66:
What
I understand you to say is ...
I
see.
There
were so many of them,
all of them.
.
There wasn't
anything to compare the size of them too.
#31:
Yeah.
That's right.
Essentially
I was having trouble
but
later
on,
I had
a feeling,
but how valid
it
is,
I
don't
know.
Anyway,
here are you
know more of these
things.
They go off.
Big bay.
Big storage bay.
Okay.
Just stretches
on,
way
on,
way down
into the back.
Okay,
and
I had the feeling that my guy came around this way,
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but that somewhere down
in the bay,
when you told me
to go catch up with him,
again,
because
I had lost
him and
I was fascinated with these cylinders,
you
told me to go catch up with him,
I had the feeling
that he had come across
- somehow he had gone into the
thing,
into the maze and he was like maybe in the second
or third row down there.
He had gone
like this.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
All right.
11.
.
.
is this feeling of
(not audible).
PAUSE
Just trying to give some sort
of
a
.
.
a
.
.
.
some sort
of
a
.
.
substance to this vehicle,
whatever
it
is.
Somehow there's
a wheel here and somehow there's
a wheel back here.
How they're connected
I have no
idea.
But,
PAUSE
I've got the proportions wrong here.
I'm looking
at
it
-
it looks like its bent.
Anyway,
then
I
had the feeling
that there was some sort of
a small crate had been put
on the back of this thing and
it contained either twelve
or sixteen
of these things because
I had the definite
feeling four
in
a row.
I couldn't tell
if there were
three rows of four
or four rows
of four
of these cylinders.
And they
.
.
.
#66:
This
is where you were confused before where you thought
the boxes were
on the back of the truck
or on the racks
on sides??
#31:
Right.
But this
is where
I
had
a box of these things.
I
don't know
if the guy loaded them
in the box
or if
they were already
in
a box.
That's what
I was ....
#66:
Okay.
#31:
Earlier,
I
had the feeling that these things
just sort
of sat
in rows
in racks,
okay.
Three
by four rows
or
four by four rows.
#66:
Was
it about this time when
I
asked you to focus
on him?
You had lost your concentration here.
#31:
A small coffee,
thermos
PAUSE
#66 :
Okay,
you have
a feeling for the size at this point,
you
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#31:
Yeah.
Okay.
There's
that.
And
I had the feeling that
our
dude here was ......
looking
like away.
No,
he
was looking,
it doesn't really matter
- he was looking
this way and he was
like
.
.
.
you
know,
writing
on
a
clip board.
PAUSE
Okay.
PAUSE
He was looking
.
.
the view of from the right of ten
to the left
of
11.
He's looking this way,
back
in the
direction
of where he first came down and then cut
in
he was looking this way.
Standing at
a rack looking at
this side
of
a rack.
Okay.
And here
in the background,
again,
is the rack thing.
Because he's
in the aisle
between the racks.
#66 :
#31:
#66 :
#31:
Okay
.
Okay.
Then the only thing else that
I have
is
a
puttering feeling.
You told me to find out what the
heck was going
on
by talking to the guy.
Yeah.
You had broke your concentration about this time
and had wandered.
I wanted you
to reaccess the target
and
I wanted you to focus
on him and see what
he had to
say about the target.
Perhaps that would be
a way
of
finding more information.
Yep.
One thing that
I
did have sort of inbetween there
-
and
I
don't know if it was
just my logical progression,
obviously
a guy putts putts along,
he picks up box from,
he must take
it somewhere,
right?
And
I had the idea
that he ...
.
put
it
PAUSE
He put
it on some sort
of
a
.
.
.
some sort
of
a ...
.
conveyor,
okay and he pulled up
in front
of this thing
and he loaded this box. ....
okay.
Loaded box on
conveyor and
it went this way off and
I had the feeling
that that was
in the far right hand side
of the room
in
the back.
Like he picked
it up here and he went way
over
in the far corner.
PAUSE
#66:
Urn hm.
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And that's Number
of Sketch.
An
on some sort of
a conveyor,
sort
some sort of an overhang here as
they did not load big heavy stuf
tall stuff
on
it,
so therefore
t
an overhang and
a cut out over
t
it
laid in
a
notch
in the wall,
the only thing that they ever
pu
of that size,
you
know,
cause
if
on
it,
it couldn't have an overh
That type
of
a thing.
way.
So he put
it
of overhung
.
.
.
though.
.
.
as though
on
it.
I mean
ere was some sort
of
is thing.
Its
like
In other words,
like
on here were things
they put automobiles
ng like that.
All right,
then the only other thing
I got was.
see what was
it
I
said.
Testing,,
Let's
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Batch.
Lot testing came into my mind.
I didn't.
I wasn't able to tune
in like
I
\
testing.
Random selection.
Make
deteriorating.
lave sometimes.
Lot
i sure they weren't
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And
I had the idea that the box
c
to a place that did the testing,
put
it
on the conveyor belt it m
trashed.
It was going to be
exar
rode down there was to get
a bunc
them to the right place.
Like
he
Like he had selected
a batch
that
if the stuff was going
Okay.
When they
is not going to be
lined.
That's why he
h
of these and send
i had to go select
it.
he had to
.
.
Okay.
What sort
of status
did this guy have that ran
the place?
Was he a testor himself?
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I
didn't get an presence
or prestige
or super knowledge-
able vibrations from the guy
-
I got more routine,
mundane type vibrations like,
well ho hum,
this is
a
rather boring thing,
but we'll take care of
it now that
way we won't have to worry about it this afternoon.
I didn't get any high skill level
or really exotic
concerns
or anything
like that.
Sort
of
a laborer type
side
or support type side,
you
know.
PAUSE
Okay,
well
do you have any other comments?
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#31 :
No.
That's pretty much
it.
#66 :
Okay
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