Approved For Release 2003/09 aie #66: #31: #663 #31: #66: R000600260001-8 Let's take some time now to draw that which you' ve seen and you might explain to me again from your drawing the perceptions that you have had. PAUSE Okay. In sketch 1....... There is a high place in the town. Some sort of.a high place like a tower associated with the mission......a Spanish, old Spanish mission type thing. I had the feeling that if someone climbed in the «set the highest point possible in this town, little village, crummy old village, and took a set of binoculars or a telescope and looked towards the mountains on the horizon, and looked. just to the right of the low shaped hill in the foreground that they would damn well be able to see the crash site, just about, but that down at ground level..sseseeeeein the town. It was just obscured by. the jungle on that low shaped hill. But, like if they got up a little bit higher, and looked that they would be able to see the crash site or see the vicinity of the crash site, which is up on the mountainside in the background. Okay? Uh, the other thing is, the important aspect, two. important aspects of it.....in the town looking in.the view.of sketch 1, there is something that I've called a creek. I don't know if it's a creek, It might.be a trail feature. But, there is some feature at the end of the town that curves off to the right. And, if that feature was followed like a creek or a trail it would lead around the hill to the crash site. I mean, you have to go a long way, but still it would meet :. around the hill, 18 miles or so to the crash site. And, that...+....taking that curving feature out of town is the important aspect of it to follow that curving feature. Okay. Now, let us make a comment here about drawing number 1 and the town. There.is no north, south, east or west to your perceptions. We are strictly dealing with in your description here during the session was with a clock thing, but you could be facing any direction in dealing with that clock. Yes, yes. To find......you'd have to go to this town. You'd have to put the Spanish mission looking place on your right and you'd have to put the low shaped hill in front of you, and then the crash is at about 2-o'clock off of the main street. Okay. And, no ‘north, south, east or west or anything. Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600260001-8
Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600260001-8 #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #663 #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: Let me write that in. This is 2 o'clock. Okay. This sketch is a little bass-ackwards, but when I was there in the session I called. it 2 o'clock. So....-...the important feature is the "Y".....-that......the "Y" which is....e. you follow this curvey feature around to the right side of the low shaped hill in between these two hills you get into a valley into the background, there's a "Y" there.coccseres I called it melmac gloved hand.....that's wrong..... It's the mel-. something or other which is the flight togs that yOU Wear..e...ethe flame retard flight togs.....it was this hand wearing a kacki colored cloth glove that was pointing to the left of this."¥" and a little ways away from it, which I show in a later......later in sketch 2. That was the feature there. I don't know if that is a creek, and I don't know which way they flow, but the "Y" thing is the important aspect of it. The junction of a creek or maybe two trails in that direction. I don't know. Okay. Good. _Then,. taking that same concept, moving to drawing 2 NOW.serseeses Is as though 1 was up in the air over top of the town, and the melmack, mel-, I call it melmack, the gloved finger hand was pointing in this area. OF the "X." The area of the "X" in sketch 2. The "Y" being the main feature. Okay. And you....- The two low hills in the foreground, and then the two higher mountains in the background. Okay. The town is a very frontierish...-ramshackled, dirt street, crappy type of town. You know. Proverty stricken town... way in the out-, back. Anyway, so, sketch 2 is my best shot at an overview. Okay? Okay. Good. This is 18 miles, and .the distance in that is 18 miles. I did that using a...a measuring bar. Let's go ahead and turn the tape o er now before we go to the description of drawing number 3. Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : GIA-RDP96-00788R000600260001-8
SG1A Approved For Release 2003/09/10.: CIA-RDP96-00788R000600260001-8 31s #663 #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: ee Okay. Drawing 3 is at the site. That's interesting that my, my imagery differs a little bit from the earlier session, but. I still have the hillside or side feeling, side of something. This time though.....and a jungle.....but, it's as though I'm in a.place where the.....there isn't any water. I didn't have the feeling that the crash site was under water like I had earlier...which is interesting. But in-, the thing I have is like a gouged gully along the, this steep hillside, steep mountainside or hillside where the humus and soil has been like gouged away, and you can see...eein the bottom it's like a culvert, like somebody cut a culvert in half...and the bottom side is all this raw, red clay, uh, gully....and then up above it there's this lip that overhangs that I show in sketch 4. The lip overhangs and you can see this humus and the soil SG1 tropical soil there....and then above that, up the hillside A i i hi jungle. Okay? Okay. The distinguishing characteristic about the actual site then. is-, you have explained several times is this, it is a visible characteristic to see this raw soil, not brush covered? : Yeah. Okay. Fine. It should be-,the feeling is like it would be, you might not be able to see it directly down from directly overhead of it, but if you were down at the level of it and were peeking in amongst these high tropical trees you would see it. Okay. You know, because this, there's.probably, there are certainly tall trees above it, up the hillside and there are tall trees below it, down the hillside. So, I don't know how you'd see it or if you would see it. Oh! You're saying that there might be a canopy problem of seeing it from a high altitude? Yes, yes, yeah. I, I don't know where the other trees are. In the one sense I felt that I was higher up off the valley floor. than the creek was, but I think there might be the canopy problem. Okay. ey ee Approved For Release 2003/09 kddtainbebbialei ep aGelOZ8 8 R000600260001-8
Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600260001-8 EEE #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: Approved For Release 2003/09/10 Cl Okay? This is in, in the, in at the crash.site. This isn't looking at the crash site from a thousand feet away. I understand. You're right there. I'm right there. I'm standing in the muck, in the clay. Okay. Okay. And 4 is just a...4 is just a side view,.a cutaway, side, okay, to show the idea of this mountainside, hillside. Okay. Okay. And 5 is up above the crash site on the mountainside, looking back towards what I think is the town of whatever the hell it is. The mountainside descends in the foreground down to the creek inthe valley. The crash site is at the "X" down below..uh, and..just going off towands the horizon, just missing the side of the low shaped hill is...in the distance is the town. Okay. -I have one question here on drawing number 3. I don't understand the horseshoe shape. SG1 Okay. And, that's. where the little arrow goes that they're in the front still. , Okay There. Helmets represent crew. Okay. How do you feel about the session? Bie oh 788R000600260001-8
Eee Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600260001-8 #31: #66: #31: #66: Feel about it. The thing that's interesting to me is that it ig different in sense from, it does have certain significant differences from my preceding session. I don't.have the thing under water amymore. But, it's funny. I have it in.this gouged out place that may, at one time, have been under water. I don't know. It's really weird. But, then I have it higher on the hillside than before. I don't know. It's just...it's curiously different. Okay. Do you have any other comments? Nope. Okay. Fine. Approved For Release 2003/09/10 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600260001-8