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and she
is interested in finding out what we need
in the area
of collection.
Reference Item 20
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add right/left hemisphere
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is this
related.
BILLY:
She controls
who gets what requirement where.
STONER:
Which researchers
do they
talk
to.
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Dale and
will develop this between now and whatever
after we have meeting with
- Send requirements through normal channels with
information copy to me
.
- Let minutes
stand.
STONER:
Re
#12.
indicated that he had sent a couple copies
over or whatever office of the CIA was supposed to send office.
has
a copy.
has not seen.
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OLD BUSINESS:
(Asked for by
SGI J
DR.
VORONA
- There's another review panel has been set up
at Secretary Brown's request.
DOD Advisory Board,
Chairman
Mansford Gale of the Army.
Apparently they have been set up
to provide another scientific and overview to give
the Under
Secretary of the Army
a warmer feeling regarding this
subject.
Have already made rounds
to
SRI,
etc.
Vorona invited
to talk
to Group,
Sep,
1000 hours
-
informal.
Vorona met Gale
a few weeks
ago.
Gale had selection of
the
group.
One psychiatrist,
scientists,
engineers,
mathameticians ,
Jesse
Orlansky will be on this committee.
VORONA suspects
this committee to get together with each and every
organization
to look into particular involvements
in
the matter.
CHARLIE
- They came
to MICOM.
Billy and
I gave review.
Orlansky
was
in
the group.
They understood the program but disagreed on
protocol.
Yet,
offered no suggestions.
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STONER:
I am a member of that Group,
as
an advisor.
There are
nine members.
Gale
is
the Chairman.
Dr.
Halloway
06 Scientist
Halloway has background
in
this.
Dr.
Douglas Tang,
Army Res
Int Bio Statistician
Dr.
Rich Montgomery
- Engineer R&A California
Cartwright
— Navy ,
China Lake
(well balanced person)
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(Mr.)
Laddie Stahl
(earthy sort of guy)
Dr.
Orlansky,
Jesse
(fine old gent to have
a beer with)
Dr.
Davis and Laberge proposed
to have:
Dr.
Orlansky
Dr.
Ray Hyman
Dr .
Snyder
Stoner and his General scrubbed Hyman.
The Evaluation Group visited Ord and SRI
-
three
days.
“ Hal was very unhappy with Evaluation Team Meeting.
Seemed to want to pick SRI apart.
Puthoff has written
a letter
to Gale regarding coming out to SRI for one thing and doing
something else.
(Stoner has
a copy of this
letter)
Tang and
(?)
succeeded in getting SRI
to come up with better
statistics
refim
They- visited Redstone
(another battle)
Visited AMSAA.
Wayne Copes handled situation well.
Mr.
Gale assigned each team member to write
a particular
report
-
for example,
PK protocol.
All of these reports will
make up the
final report by the
team.
STONER:
Snyder
is an excellent consultant.
VORONA
- Will this committee/team go on forever?
STONER:
Don't know
- hope
10 months will be
all.
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VORONO told Dale to alert General Brown that Ruth Davis
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No,
Vol&no will alert General Brown.
(re visit
to AF)
STONER:
Team to
INSCOM Thursday and AMSAA on Friday.
Suspect at the end of this month,
Team will talk
to Air Force.
VORONO
- Professor Wheeler refuses
to look at evidence.
STONER believes committee end result will be
to proceed*
STONER the committee
to investigate paranormal activities
-
several members have resigned.
STONER:
visited with Gale
to
Dr.
John,
Princeton and Dr.
Lucky,
Bell Labs
- revealed only an interest..
VORONO - What's Johns status:
STONER:
Johns has
a program and will
succeed.
He has
100
, OOOdollar
Budget.
He has assistant part time psychic and sophisticated
type experiment.
VORONO’- He's not getting into investigative business.
STONER will give trip report re Johns visit to Vorono on their
meeting
(Stoner's report to his General).
STONER:
Johns has a$$,000 generator.
He has been criticized
by his peers
in the University.
Johns appealed to
the President
often
for his work.
He also answers
to an overview Committee
within
the University.
Johns
says
SRI's protocol
is not good.
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STONER:
Dr.
Lucky,
Bell Labs visit:
SRI
is
sophmoric,
not good
scientific acts
-
repeat same things over and over.
This thing
needs
to come out in the open
for peer review.
Lucky talked to Targ and Puthoff and suggested to them that they
bring critics
in to watch tests.
Let Martin Garner
in to
cirtici^e.
Targ and Puthoff refused critics.
SG1I
- agrees they ought to do this.
However,
need
a dis-
interested witness.
VORONO
- Suggested to Bob Dailey that he propose to Ruth Davis
that this be put under National Scientific Foundation.
She
rerjcated
a»d said No.
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- Did the members of
this
group sign
a form that they would
not expose
to newspapers.
STONER:
Yes,
they all signed
a security oath.
They
understand the security of
it.
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VORONO and
on
Sep.
will get together
to prepare
for meeting
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- Synder came up with
a protocol
- not sure we
can apply
it.
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SG1I
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- was
this protocol discussed with Johns or Lucky?
STONER:
Only ones
to
see Lucky and Johns were Gale,
Stoner
and the guy from NSA.
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VORONA - CIA had
a contract
to
look into protocols,
SRI's was supposed to be the best.
WATT
- would like
to have
a copy of the protocol.
Stoner will
send him one.
- CIA contractor monitors criticized SRI.
DALE
- when good viewers
come to SRI.
other things are dropped.
Informal stage mainly for viewer to practice to get used to
-
a warm up
is necessary.
- Puthoff and Targ
lump everything together
(warm
UP and actual
session)
.
Helter Skelter approach of Puthoff and
Targ
is due to
lack of funds
(getting a good viewer
-
Swann)
.
FINANCING
-
Congressman Rose had erroneous impressions
of funding that DOD had to support SRI
in this
field.
Dr.
Vorono
testified in front of Rose's committee and straightened this out.
as
to any changes
in funding
SGI J
VORONO
- Please notify me or
so vorono can post Cong Rose.
Army may not get FY
funds.
vS*150 ,000 projected.
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No change
in FY
funds.
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DALE REPORT:
Russians are looking for gifted children in psychic abilities
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(Moscow).
RADECT.
Moscow/Lenigrad
- Flashing Light Experiment.
Radect says there was correlation.
Radeck
is Czeckosilvokian.
I Attended
a session
in Madison, Wisconsin where
two boys
from.
Japan with an interpreter attempted images
on photographic film
and metal bending.
Whole session was
far too loose
to verify
;
demonstrations.
There
is
a video tape on one of the boys.
Dale
/
will try to bring this
tape
to the next meeting.
/
Japan has offered no official
statements re their interest in
j
RV.
Dale questioned:
Why must Walker's name be linked with Aberdeen
f
Proving Ground?
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’•• The meeting was hosted by
Dr.
Uphoff.
Dr.
Hasted
(Professor
J.
B.
Hasted)
from England has had
3 or
A)
years work with metal softening.
Hans Bender
in Germany makes
field trips
to Switzerland actually deforms metal and then has
it go back
together.
National
Inquirer provides
leads sometimes.
Article regarding
a foot doctor
in Palo Alto.
He and his children have the ability
to bend metal.
Dr.
Lane
(the foot doctor)
has offered his children
to
SRI
for demonstrations
.
PA meeting held in San Francisco.
Brain Mind Pamphlet has
small article.
Dales office is doing informal things.
Into diagonostics
.
Medical diagonostics.
Unofficial
- not FTD.
STONER:
In the
library at ARE,
there are two books we might
be interested
in:
THE DIVINING HAND
(regarding dowsing)
- Marine Corps
Combat early
70'
s
Vietnam.
Finding tunnels,
etc.
SCIENCE AND PSI,
by Carol Nash,
C.
Thomas Pub.
1979
release
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SG1I
Any further business:
We are presently trying to define
a program.
Proceeding
cautiously.
Program with £70,000 contract with SRI.
We
re
concerned with Evaluation and Protocols.
Qualifications
sensor.
Vocabulary.
Targets
- keep statistics and evaluations
separate.
Would like
a more formal
(written)
pact with SRI.
We have
a six
month effort to start.
Want to get an Evaluation Plan.
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STONER:
Suggested to
to write
the
Evaluatio’TTT
that Johns
(Princeton)
as
the person
Need:
Final Security Guide
(especially for contractor)
Protocols Document
(Now using INSCOM draft guide prepared by AMSAA)
Security Classification Guide
WATT:
Committee was aksed for comments four months ago re Security
Classification Guide.
Comments were
to be provided to John
Kramar of AMSAA.
CHARLIE:
Bill Johnson and his security people are working on
it tied with DIA.
STONER:
will talk to Pattakos regarding security profile.
CHARLIE:
will have Bill Johnson call Stoner and explain his
work regarding security.
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if we
ip with more stringent protocol, will we be covered.
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It's now 1150,
do you want to keep going.
BILLY:
Yes,
keep going.
will use
SRI remote viewers.
SRI invites contract monitors
to RV.
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- ADMIN NOTES:
1.
Watt will send minutes
to
.
Second Thursday of odd numbered month our scheduled meetings.
8 Nov
79 will be next meeting,
0930,
DIA Conference Room.
3.
Will hold meetings here
(DIA)
until there are other proposals.
4.
Asked for suggested comments
for the next meeting.
STONER:
Security.
If you have something
to discuss at next meeting get
^
these
to him
a month prior to meeting so he can put out an agenda.
WATT:
Concerned that SRI does
things in an awkward manner.
They use whatever resources they have available.
They used
one of our people who just happened to be
there.
Security and SRI
- They tasked one of our viewers over the
telephone.
SRI has
tremendous telephone security problems.
WATT:
Is
there anyway this committee can get
a secure telephone
line at SRI
.
CHARLIE:
There's
a daycom at Mountain View.
Suggested WATT give
SRI
a security briefing and have
it reviewed every
2 months.
STONER:
said just call them and say don't do
it again.
CHARLIE:
We
tried for
a secure phone before at SRI.
Didn't work
out.
Its only
a 10-15 minute drive from SRI
to Mountain View.
WATT:
Gale Committee visits his office Thursday,
Sep
- may
be out of
a job Friday.
CHARLIE:
Ou£ of the group.
Gale was
the most reasonable.
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BILLY:
PK program still
in equipment building stage.
Phase
II
early November.
Protocols are still in abeyance.
COL Busher
of Fort Detrick hasn't decided yet.
STONER:
Cong Rose will be DOD Representative on Panel.
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Cryptanalysts
- related to chemistry of the brain.
We
are
looking for people who can look inside of restricted spaces.
Also,
ones who can read a document or
a message.
Suggested when calling SRI
to use
a pay telephone.
This
is more
secure
SGI J
Adjourn meeting for today
(1220 hours)
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