Suda S coxtinre,/ L Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 A. All right, the vault has designs for certain equiptment, is one of the things, and also hasfpicturess three, it also has devices that have been worked on. S. All right, are these functional devices, or are they models of the devices,or are they both? A. I would say both. How, there also, also seemsto be something like tapes. S. Okey, are these magetic tapes or paper tapes? A. I have no answer for yous I know that it just says tapes. S. Okey, but do you understand rationally the difference between a paper tape and a magetic tape? A. No, I do not. S. All right, the magetic tape is what we are transcribing this on right now. A» paper tape is like the the tape used on Wall Street, and used on some computers to iwput information and to get information out. A. From what I couldssee it would be more = ko magetic than ticker tape. S. All right. Is the tape that is in the vault associated in some way with the machines in the suite? A. The answer is yes. S. In what way is it associated? A. I don't Khaanee this momement, Scott. I know that there is some connection between the machine and , concerning the machine and the information that is put into the vault. S. Well. okey, did you generalize it. . 2 A. No, no, no. S. Specifically; the tapes? A. Tape is one of them, but I'm going, I have to say that as we were working there is more imformation that, tha, I merely associated ... but I'm trying to figure out psychically where, these tapes are from. Theysare connected, but do they come out of the’. machine is the answer which. don't have. S.Well, okey, they could either come out of the machine or they could be, lets say, digested or used by the machine for analysis. They could be both put into the machine and then become another tape, be an output form the machine. A. Because again in the machine I keep seeing some information coming Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 A. This person is working in room 333, he has not been there very long, the lenght of time that he has worked for (?) the secret role, whatever is needed, he is not a twenty-year man, he looks like someone, you know (?). I have to give him, you know, what I'm trying to say is that ‘he is not a person who en]sited and reenlisted. By: reenlistment, let me put it this way, I don't mean, I have to clairify that for you. I want to be very specific. First of all, I am not sure whether the person is an Army, you know, someone in the service, or a civilian attached to the service. All right, akax, because what I see is. . S. But that would be helpful Alex, if he is, if we could say he is a military personnel or a civilian. A. I will have to say civilian. S. Okey. And, how about age? What is his age? A. I would give him (?) mid-thirty S. And has he been on this job in the suite, a long period of time, short period of time? eett wanent 7 A. The first (2)... . it says he was transfered from some other area, . (?) So it would appear to me, I'm giving that, eae I'm giving a conclusion, xhnak it appears that he was not in on the ground floor. - but I may be wrong, I mean I'm only trying to be hé:Tpful. S. Okey, but you are applying a rational judgement on that. Your psychic input judgemanx was that he was on the ground floor of some project, @key, but what project£ I suspect that there is more than one project going on in suite 333. A+%. What it says , he was doing some gfother project that was not there, into this project. S. But that , in fact may be the case for many employees in this suite. All right, let's try to get a pYhsical description - height? A. I will give you. . .(?) very business like . .very easy going. . very youthful, very active, Outgoing, but you said tall, six foot? (?), close to it. Color of hair? . Black. Color of eyes? . They are not dark eyes, dark browns they are not blue either, in other N9EGS vEU Mor ReNEed sdevrodidG Sco SGPSEGREBLE THT ABA. FD eves» (2 >rponrnr wn
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 Hazeh maybe? Light. S. All right . Skin? A. White, fair, almost babyish. S. Okey, any distinguishing marks that you would ordinargily see that yo U associate with him? Sharpness of features? A. There is no sharpness of features, but sharpness of character. By character, personality. Joe College. You know-what I mean. S. How about his bearing, the way he walks? A. (2?) This is what I mean (?) S. So you say he has an upright bearing and sort of marches out rather than, than, not slouchy at all. A. No. very, let me put it this way, Ifould put him as a typical Madison Avenue type, Wall Street. S. Where does he live; can you get an impression, immediately around the area where he works, or does he live in Virginia, Washington, D.C. , Mary land? A. (? ? ?) He is married. S. Married. A. I believe that he has children, maybe two. S. Sex of children? A. I don't know. S. Young children? A. Young, I would give you, running around. S. Are they pre-school? Are either of them in school? A. It would appear that either pre-school,or that one has started school. S$. Does he commute for a long distance to work, or medium distance, or short distance? A. No answer at this time. S. And no location of where he lives. A. No location. Let me put it this way, I know that he uses a car and goes off base (?) S. Does he car-pool; does he drive himself? A. He drives himself, because I only see one (?). S. What is the make of the car? Color of the car? A. (2)(no make or color given) S. Okey now,- this person you say was reasonably recently recruited by someone to be an agent in place. What country recruited him? Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 A. ? (very short, non country answer) S. All right. A. It appears that (2) information that it would be paid for, but I don't even knowawhat country it is, is that possible? S. It is possible that he is deceived, that someone might even think that he is working for the United States. There are a number of recruiting devices,.but let's don't go into that. I want, to cut through all of that, and regardless of who he thinks he is working for, actually what country is behind it? A. I'l] have to return to that because I'm at that point , you know,in my, you know how my mind works to get through a point (?). S. Okey, but let me try to program you a little bit on, . . it is possible that he was approached by a country and he is convignced, that he may not think that he is doing anything trattorious at this pointy that he was approached by someone who convignced him by documentation or by referals that the person that approached him is a member of Army counter-intelligence, and that he is being used toftest the security of the office, when in fact that is a cover for recruitment and that he is , that he is, that person is working for an alien government. Just a second, let's clear the dog out of here. A. It appears to #6 that this information is going to certain people in which in turn they sell that information to a customer; can this be possible? S. Yes, this is possible. A. It seems to be the way that it is, and it is not a direct (2?) (country ?) (Not) Russia, China, Lybia &&X or any country in the Middle East. S. All right, give me some details about this group, are they American citizens or a mixed group, or what? A. Its a mixed - well, you know, its again psychic emotion, and when I say psychic emotion I mean sométhing with impact, it looks like, and when I say looks like I mean it is. They are not foreigners, although there are one or two which I think from their faces to be foreign, they look like Chinese or Japanese, you know, I'm not saying that they are, I'm merely saying that yet it is an American group with foreign people in it, in which thay can transfer this information. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 S. Okey, but it is essentially it is a private enterprige. Is that what you are saying? A. That is what I am saying. It is something so different to me, you know in (?) that is I'm confused. S. Okey, don't worry about whether it js startébing or conceivable or 78 conceivable. Where is this group located, wh rare they headquartered? A. Well, the Gentral headquarters Savisantilton GA Te Moshingtane S.Where about in Washington? A. 1 don't know, all I could see was (?) in my mind whether it was this building or that building. S. Okey“are you talking about Washin ton, D.C.? A. Yea, Washington, D.C. An office that appears to be a legitimate office. S. Okey now, let's try to be precise, the Washington, D.C. area including Maryland and Virginia. . . A. No. Washington, the city of Washington, D.C. S. The political erli ty of Washington, D.C. A. Washington, D.C. where the capitol is. S. Do they have anybther meeting places anywhere else in the United States,’ dr the world? A. The answer to that is, the only word that comes to me is , amd I don't know whether itrmeans anything is "net"... . "network." S. All right, network. A, And the reason I see that is that in my mind there are lines. S. Okey, let me change the question from meeting placess do they have any other offices? in other places in the Unites States or anywhere else in the world? A. The answer is yes. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 S. Okey, then the network you have a psychic impressaion of lines as if there is a - linkages - okey let's stop this line of inquiry and if the Army is interested we can pick it up later. I want to get more identification of the second person, about whomé you have strong feelings. This is the young man who may be carrying or perhaps did carry the device which was the transmitter. You describe him as a young man before. Can we have a pick up on that description and give us as much detail as possible... Re -e - - ee after a pause and discussion off tape - - - S. We have been discussing this description in size and the location of the transmitter, and Alex is now making a sketch of it,larger than life size. A. Andin it is a very smallfot os S. This is. . A. This is, let us say S. Well, what is this thing? a A. This thing looks like something within the device the person is carrying, all right, one of the trans-systems, and within that system... the system has - like a little cartrige. S. Okey, but I want to know this, yesterday yam and this is on the other side of the tape, you came up with the suggestion that it was a computer... A. All right S. A hand held computer. A. Its like a little computer. S. All right is that what xak that is? A. No, no, this is not the computer. S. That is something inside the computer. A. That is inside the computer. S. Okey A. t looks like a little canttr ibe, very small, all right? s.W"Pike a battery maybe. A. Like a, but its very small, like a battery butfery small. S. Okey A. Its something like the pin of a needle, the head of a needle. S. Okey, but that's that little dot. ApproVeaerorRetdabe 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7