Approved For Release 2QQ ZL: #36: #ly: #36 #36: #lks: #36: Very good. Very good. But they're right, you know? They're right...I can't see - them. I saw them a while ago. I want you now to focus on those stairs to your immediate left. I want you to proceed up those stairs. When you reach the top of the stairs describe what you see. Wait a minuteeseccesccecesl Can'teseol'm having trouble holding concentration, I...keep drifting off. Just a minutesseeleesl feel that...this don't make any damn sense. I keep looking at the stairs, and...appears that the overhead of the stairs that goes up is round rather than...than flat ceiling. It appearse.. Okay. Rounded. You're doing just absolutely super. And I have one final request before we call it quits. I-want you.to move back to the guard and the desk. When you're at that location, let me know. I can see it from here. Okay. Okay. . Okay. I'm going to move you outside the building, but before I do I want you to take a look at this desk and tell me if you perceive a telephone at this desk. It's not on the desk. Is there a telephone near the desk? Yes, but I haven't found it yet. Just a minute, I know... not on the desk. I feel it's...around and behind and to the right somewhere. It's not on the desk. Okay, I want you to focus. Focus very carefully on this telephone. Okay» I want you to move in very, very close. I want you to try and read the number on this telephone. This is very important. 733 something, or a 933 something... Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000300860001-5
Approved For Release 20000847 CH #36: #36: #39 #39: #36: WI P4S6.00788R000300860001-5 Naa No, just a very smooth, crisp, piercing- made your head hurt, very, like it was air hissing, very high pressure, weird thing. Very high, high pitched. Okay, you said you detected~ Same pitch, didn't vary, didn't go up and down, it just straight pitch. You said you detected in the room on the walls and the ceiling horizontal and vertical pattern, it's dark gray, almost black linear patterns, 4 inches in diameter. That corner of the building, whatever floor that is on, I was getting a feeling that- and I know this might have been analytical overlay, tryin’ to figure out what the hell it wase But I had the feeling that corner of the building» was bars, was secured off. That corner from, from the rest of it. It seemed like there was steel, or steel bars, or something heavy. And I went around the corner, and I looked down, the thing just shhh! you know, it was like it went forever. And it felt very ominous on the right side, that would be the side that had the vertical patterns. And Il tried to focus, and tried to focus, and tried to focus, figure out why I felt so badly. I didn't want to say bars or steel, but I felt that that's probably what it.was... on my right. On, on your right there's the cables are going, when you're pattern went. The gray, dark linear pattern went on down on the side around the corner, to my right on down. And it bothered me. I don't know why, and I-was tryin' to figure out why it should bother me. I looked, tried to see, uh, tried to see host— ages. And I, I couldn't get past whatever this was on my right. I didn't see any hostages. Okay»..Okay. Uh, telephone not on, but near the desk, behind it. Yeah, I felt if I was sitting in his position it was off to my right and kind of back, behind me somewhere. On the floor or somethin'? I didn't know where it, it must. have been on something, uh, on a table or something. But I looked on the desk. The desk was shiny. I did not see a-phone. Was there anything else on the desk? I was looking for a gun, I saw no gun. Soe Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000300860001-5
#36: #36: #39: ¥700788R000300860001-5 Okay» There was some kind of aee.I guess it was a desk pad or something. Okay, you drifted up to the roof? Yeah, okay. Okay. Uh, before I get to that, let me go back to the ones I'd like to get sketches of. The key, uh, the location of those two plates, the sign and the plate...uh, your view of, you know, when you go through the door, where the desk is located, and the guy at the, at the desk.... Then an overall sketch of the room when, when you went through the wall. You makin' notes of #66, uh, #14? Mm~<hmm e Uh, the view from the window. And #36, do include those stools. Hmm? Do? Yes, please. Uh...the view from the window. Uh...the hori- zontal and the vertical patterns. And then I want one of the roof. Your overall view of the roof. At this time we are going to switch to another tape, that'll be tape C. ‘Okay, we're ready to continue on tape C. This is a contin- uation of debriefing on Session D-45, Tape 528, 12 September There's the key. You've drawn the key...you've also drawn the gate and the, and the plates and sign associated with the gate. So, at this time, let's move to the inside of the entranceway and ‘draw’a sketch of the overall room and the position of the, the desk and the guard and the telephone where you felt these things wWereecesece I wanna put a question mark on this. Uh, I think the phone was right around there GOMeWherCS e wvevvesseseseopell closet. SS? No, no, "set". Closet? Okay, that's the closet. Where was the, the black box that Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000300860001-5
66 -00788R000300860001-5 you described? You described something that- Yeah. | Looked like a= It's a work space, communications or something. Oh, let me find the exact words... Said it looked something like a kitchen cabinet. Mm—hmm Had something to do with communications. Mra-hmm. Yeah. Okay. Is that Y-yeah, I wanna draw that and enlarge it somewhere. On #3, I guess. Okay. Just to show it's relative position there. Well, that's, that's probably-— Uh, I didn't, you know, I, this time I don't remember lookin! over at the right here. I don't know what's over there. In this area dots, it's all, I don't, I didn't look. ‘Well, it, I think this ought to be fine in drawing 2. Just put “commo'- Where he- You'd feel better if he did it. Right. Yeah, it runs off the page there. I have a feelin’ you can't see it. ‘Okay, and page 3 will be...an inset of the cabinet type... area. PAUSE Well, that's something...» Okay see There was something, uh.....shiny. How do you spell shiny? “SECRET Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000300860001-5
90788R000300860001-5 HV occscscesee Actually LT think it's wy", pubese Hmm? I think it's just plain "Y", but we'll have to let it go like that. I don't care (mumbling) anyway. My, uh, my Jeft brain mode is not working all that good. What else do you need? Uh, a view from the window. A view from the window? Shee..-GOce. Ah, just kind of a...you know, n-, nothing detailed, jJustece This would be the window on the north gide looking OuUtee. How the hell I'm gonna draw these trees and things?esescseess I know there's some stuff in here, in the center, I just couldn't focus on Lbssccssecethat's good enough, Tececvcccee Don't put too much in there, you'll just confuse it. Tt was awful low confusing crap in there. Mm—hmm. Lot of stuff in there, quite a few trees, and... Okay. Interested...horizontal and vertical patterns... It was awfully difficult here. PAUSE a don't kKNOWe eencecccvce Okay. Anything else? Uh, yese Uh, the ov—, an overall of the rooftop. O-kay. Let me draw a little thumb nail up here. It seemed to me like, as I was looking at this thing.....No, wait a minute. I bet this is an overlay from the, uh...I bet this is an overlay from the map that I was shown the other day. I'm havint trouble drawin' this thing. Why don't you just do a vertical? A straight, flat- Qi ecg Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000300860001-5