Approved For Release 2000/08/0% Ted +08 #7.5: #24: #7.53 #24: #7.5: #24: #7.532 #24: 97 88R000901110001-0 When you say that there's something between them and what you described as a helicopter, do you see them there? No. PAUSE No. Its just. . . I'm just seeing through this transparency at this thing that looks like a helicopter to me. I don't actually see them per se. Um hm. PAUSE Um. PAUSE Tell me about the colors. I'm not getting any colors. This thing that I see is just. . is just a dark, dark .. like a dark like a shadow. Like a dark gray or something. Um hm. PAUSE Now I see a fence. Sort of like a fence. A chain link type. I only see the top of it and its like receding into the background. PAUSE And I only see the top part of it. Like a "Vv" . . . like the top part of . . It would be something like the top part of a fence with the "Vv" shape on top of the long (not audible). PAUSE I'm not getting strong images at all. I really see that. Its like a bar. . and its sort of on top . . Hummm. . And I'm on top and I see this, this "V" shape; its like a "Y" extend. . you know, its a small "V" and then a long post like from that and there seems to be some wires through the "V". 80788R000901110001-0
Approved For Release 200 LER spare c07eeR000001 410001-0 #7.5: #24: #7.5: #24: #7.5: #24: #7.53 #24: +10 #7.53 #24: _Approved For Release 2000/08/07 § Okay. And there's a series of this. Like a fence. Okay. Go up in the air. I am up, looking down. At first I saw a, you know, like a bird's eye view right level with it and now I'm on top of it and still see this same sort of thing. Um hm. Go up high enough to where other things begin to fall into your view. PAUSE There seem to be a row of one story buildings up on a hill to my right. Light buildings. Like small houses or something. And, then there's . . . then there on top of a hill and then down at the bottom of the hill is this fence type arrangement. PAUSE I'm not getting any colors. Everything I've been seeing so far is like dark browns and olive. PAUSE Where are you now? Well, its as though, for a minute there anyway, I was down, looking up at some kind of a building? with an antenna arrangement. Its very unclear. I'm getting a lot of wires. You know, like electrical wiring. Telephone wires. But its not clear. I'm outside. PAUSE I get a feeling of a very boring place. AL PAUSE And now what do you see? I'm not really getting anything strong enough to describe the shape of anything. PAUSE FRAG s96100788R000901110001-0
Approved For Release 2000/0g EE BR Bis. 007s8R000001 410001-0 #7.5: Describe what #6.5 and #11 are doing. PAUSE #24: I'm getting some sort of tunnel but it was almost instantaneous. A tunnel with a light at the end. I don't see it now. PAUSE I see something like a . . its like a rose window in a cathedral only its dark. You know, there's some sort of pattern like the rose windows have in mosiac only its not bright colors, its a dark - its like a dark mosiac. Circular, round. I'm looking up at it. Its part of another structure of some kind. #7.5: Okay, now, is this all in one location (not audible). .? #24: This tunnel, yeah. #7.5: All these things you've told me, from the helicopter to the fence to the building with antennas to this building. Do you get the feeling that they're all together. #24: No. Not in my mind. They are all separate. PAUSE +14 That one image of a window, that rose window, which is, its opaque. Its staying with me. Its hazy (not audible). But its like part of another structure and that's all that's being seen and its a dark structure of some kind. PAUSE The structure is not like a normal building. Its not a squared off type of building. Its more elaborate architecture. That's a feeling I get. I don't really see too much. PAUSE +15 Everything is dark. Everything I've gotten is dark. I see something dark now - I'm inside a building and its dark. Its... 4 Approved For Release 200010 aS frfeh 7e87000001 110001-0
Approved For Release sooo ereRer ee 110001-0 +17 +18 +20 #7.53 #24: #243 #7.5: #24: PAUSE What's inside the building? Well, its just not clear. I feel like I'm looking up at the ceiling and the ceiling is very elaborate. Whatever I'm looking at is very elaborate structure. Its like some of the European buildings of the very ornate ceilings like sculptured ceilings. That's what it looks like to me and its dark. PAUSE I'm just not getting strong images at all. PAUSE Every now and then I get a burst of light but I still feel like I'm in some .. inside. I feel like I'm inside. Something. . dark build- ing, or. . But. . its like inside of some kind of dark structure. I don't get the feeling its really a building, or a, you know, a room with a purpose. Its just a structure - dark. Very ornate type structure. Ornate in the sense of carved wood, both the walls and the ceiling. Now I see a tree. Okay, its like coming out of this whatever it was. Very light tree. Its very bright like the sun was shining or something I'm sure I'm seeing a tree. Its fading now. v PAUSE Is this the same location where the fence is? PAUSE I don't see it now. I get the feeling that, you know, the . . they are going from one spot to another but I don't see any, you know, I don't see the connections. Just suddenly I'm here and then I'm here and then I'm here. PAUSE Now I feel like I'm in a restaurant. I see loads and loads of like images of like bottles say wine bottles and glasses. And its dark, 5 Approved For Release 2ocoros/ompghe ght balaasser000901 110001-0
Approved For Release 20001 REOFSs-corserooos0 110001-0 candled room. But just one section, it was like wall, is all I could really see. Its one section of the wall. . They are very fleeting images of like wine bottles, wine glasses and table settings. Dark, candled room. But just one section, it was like wall, I could really see. Its one section of the wall. .. They are very fleeting images of like wine bottles, wine glasses and table settings. Dark, candled room. PAUSE #7.5: You've got so many things now. #24: I know. Ha ha. #7.5: I think we'd better draw some pictures before you forget all of it. (Not audible.) #24: Okay. The first thing I saw was this helicopter thing. That stayed with me for a while. saw this, like a chain link fence as though my eye were level with the top bar and then ina "Vv" structure. And then I was above it and looking down (not audible). Very strong would be the "y",. Then I got a, just a collage of like electrical wiring, telephone wires and all of that. I was down looking up at it. Very hazy. Like houses around. And these wires above them sort of idea. And then I got inside this sort of orante building. Structure. And its a restaurant, think. That's all I got. #7.5: Um hm. See if you can't sketch those out and we'll see what we have. Would you like a clip board to draw on? #24: Yes. #7.5: Do you have enough light? #24: Yes. I'm okay. #7.5: You had a smile on your face for a considerable period. #24: Did I really? #7.5: Yes. 901110001-0
Approved For Release 2000 EER ferbos.007eeR00090 110001-0 #24, Well, I work with helicopters and I... I don't know how much of that is... #7.5: Memory? #24: Yeah. PAUSE #24: This is embarrassing. I can't draw. PAUSE I can't draw this structure. It was too amorphis. It was like from the side. PAUSE #7.5: Is this building the same building you saw with that antenna on it? #24: I don't get that connection. No. #7.5: (Not audible). #24: No. #7.5: Okay. #24: I saw the wires, the antennas, I thought it was being walked past and being looked at like that. #7.5: Okay. #243 (Not audible). #7.5: You were walking past like down the fence? #24: No. I didn't get that feeling. I got, I gota feeling of a lot of different sites (not audible) Sites. And, after that fence, I felt as though I was walking past crowded buildings. With an antenna array of wome kind or else wire like telephone wire (not audible). #7.5: Okay. #243 That kind of wire. #7.5: Okay. Approved For Release 2000/08/0 Ra Neo GF00788R000901110001-0
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