naa Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2 #01: #66: #OL: #662 #01: 66% +26 #O1: #66: #01: #66: +29 #Ol: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: Correct All right. Dressed all similarly? That's correct. All right. Describe your present position of observation. «+. I don't know. Nowhere. Okay.. Describe for me...in broad terms..the number of personnel involved in normal activity at this complexese. Less than 150...when activity is-normal. There'd be an abnormal increase when activity isn't normal. All right. I have no further questions: of the target area. But I would like to give you now a few moments to comment as you see fit on the target area. PAUSE For some reason I get a impression that the..the function of the target area is mobile, and that, uh...the buildings are not incremental to the functions. Just happens to be a place to be at the moment. I get a feeling that, uh, there's something not right about the functions in that.. there's no agreement to the coordinates. Describe the experience you have which makes you feel this Way. Uh, the coordinates of the target..and the target is this place, time, and these should all intersect, all these.. circles should intersect, but they don't. There's only a nebulous relationship. It's like looking through holes: in paper, they don't line up. So there's somethin’ wrong.. somethin' wrong with the function of the target or the coordinates, Describe the degree of error you are perceiving. The what? The degree of error in alignment of these functions. Uh.....uh, the..I perceive either a misconception of function or..perhaps coordinates won't, uh, won't be good enough to nail this target. Some other form of, uh, some other form of task. All right. I don't know, I don't know. 5 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2
cama anette eS ee Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2 #66: #Ol: #66: #01: GG: #O1: #66: #01: #66: #OL: 66% #Ol: Any further comments? No. All right. Return your attention to me, the room, and let's now prepare to draw those perceptions that you have had. Okay. On page one, it's a drawing of the general overall area. And what I have is two high ridges, left and right, with a low point, or valley running down the center. City area outlined in dotted lines. A road, sort of a "Y" shaped road going from the city to the perceived target area and running off in two directions from there. And this whole valley was a very lush, green valley. Page two are the tank structures. I can't illucidate on that any. Page three is, uh, a blow-up of the target area, uh, with the representative, uh, statements concerning the letters. I've identified everything in letter form, and then written a column on the right saying what they are. And these are all relative to one another in size. I didn't show any buildings exterior to the fence, but there are a bunch of other buildings all over that area. Uh, four is this machine type apparatus that looks like a very high, very large like tool and die type machine, uh, under which, uh, this roll of polished aluminum is being sucked into this machine, so to speak, and it's stamping out these parts, or pieces or whatever. Okay, now, uh, let's talk about in what building was this? Okay. You said, uh, tell me what's in the white building, or something like that. And I don't recall ever having said any of the buildings were white, so I just gave you whatever came into my mind. So I don't know where that building is. Okay, so you can't tell me then, uh, in relationship to three, which building has this stuff in it. No, I can't. All right. Page five is a layout of to point of origin, and what- Now let me understand. Point of origin of the raw material or what you perceive as rolled aluminum is what I was after. Right. Right. Exactly. And, uh, what I've done is I've put three squares on here. The large square is a city, and 6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2 #OL: #663 #OL: #66: #OL: #66: #01; #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: the two amall squares are target and origin. And I've indicated that it's sixty kilometers north northwest of the target. And I labeled in and underlined water and valleys and hills. There seems to be, from the edge of the water goin' back there seems to be a row of, uh, flat valley areas and hills and then valleys and then hills. Okay. And that's essentially it. Uh..I'm gonna try to explain to you what I was talkin’ about as far as the targeting. If you were to take a circle and you were to say you have three circles, okay, just for sake of clarity- circle A is, uh, the target of interest to U.S. Intelligence, circle B is the coordinates, and circle C is the, uh, date/time location, okay? And then you were to provide that kind of information in a sealed envelope. Then essentially what the viewer would be looking down would be this..this kind of thing. He would be looking this way through these circles, right? Okay. Okay, well in this case- that's be A, B and C. In this case I was of the impression that I wasn't looking down circles like that. I was looking like this way, through those cir- cles. They weren't jiving, they weren't goin' together right. The information, the target, the coordinate and the date/ time did not seem to all fit together in the matrix. Right. If I had to- okay, if I had to coordinate it, what I would say, I would break the target down into function.. of interest. Okay? And I would say location, coordinates. And I would say now. This location coordinates is screwed up. There's somethin' wrong with that. Okay. That was my next question. In these intersecting rings, which one is screwed up? And you're saying it's the- The location coordinates screwed up. Now that can mean that one out of 25 buildings is of interest and the target coordinates aren't centered on that building, they're cen- tered somewhere else in the layout. That can mean the coordinates are just plain all screwed up. Or that can mean that the, uh- Okay, label this sketch as being, uh, targeting problem. Okay. Would be sketch number six, but just label it as targeting problem, that's fine. Targeting problem. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ClIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2 #66: #01: #663 #OL: #66: #O1: #66: #O1: #665 #01: GG: #01: #66: i f Okay, I have one other question I'd like to ask. And that is you had made a comment about...these building sit here, but the function in them is mobile, and that they, you don't have to do this function in the buildings, that you could the function elsewhere. Right. And that may be part of the problem. I perceive the function is of what's real importance. The buildings dontt matter. The machines don't matter. But what's being done and how it's being done in the buildings does. And... uh, there's just gotta be a better way of targeting this target. You know, uh.. Okay. There's somethin’ wrong with the way it's bein' targeted right now and I can't put my finger on it. Okee-doke. Any other comments you have? No. What kinda confidence do you have in the actual imagery that you saw and the actual remote viewing experience? You're askin' the wrong person. I don't know. I don't- Okay. Sometimes you say boy, this is really a zingo. But this time you're sayin' you just don't- It was so tough pullin’ out what I pulled out today that, uh, I, you know, I just don't know. I dontt know if it was tough because everything I got is super accurate or if it wag tough because there was nothin! there and I needed to make somethin' up. You know, I don't know. Okay. That's good. You always have a comment and that's one. Okay. Thank you. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000600590001-2
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