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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV) SESSION D-39
1.
(S/NOFORN)
This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information concerning safes in
a room.
2.
(S/NOPORN)
The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as
raw intelligence data and as such have not been subjected to any intermediate
analysis,
evaluation or collation.
Interpretation and Use of the information
provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3.
(s/N0F0RN)
The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document,
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote viewing Protocol
(s), undated.
4.
(S/N0F0RN)
Following is
a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session.
At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target
site.
At TAB B is target cuing infor-
mation provided the remote viewer.
3.
(S/N0F0RN)
This session was conducted concurrently with session D-38.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION B-39
TIME
#66:
This
'will be a remote viewing session for 1100 hours,
10 September 1980.
any questions concerning your mission?
#10.5:
No.
#66:
At this time then we’ll prepare to do the session.
PAUSE
#66:
Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and focus your attention
on the room in the photograph I have shown you.
Focus
your attention on the room in the photograph I have shown
you.
Move now in present time, move now in present time
to the room in the photograph and describe it to me.
Now.
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#10.5:
I’m getting. . .two, uh...I think two,
no,
one
There'
a rat rig...behind the partition. ..... .two, uh...gray...
steel type desks. . .they’re in the room,
for some reason
I can... side by side. . .little
separate...
On the left
one
I can... see something coming back toward me, on it's
left
side like... a screen or a... side panel
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Wait
I have
a
the place I put two....it's a.....
across from the clock. . .slightly to the right,
like
,>my
back is to clock...the right hand is open. ..and it*%has,
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uh...it's a cabinet,
and it’s, uh...four, three or four
drawer,
and it’s top one is...gaping open. .. .extended,
slid out...it’s
bottom one...is open, but only four
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inches. ..or
so,
like it’s been pulled out, but isn’t.
The
one to the left is... right
side to
side.
It appears to be
...with it’s drawers closed....
Let me rest.
I'll come
back up in two minutes.
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Wo,
the one on the left
is’ open...
They’re both...black
dial. ..with a metal lever on the
t’op,
and I can see the
(garbled) .. .the one on the left the levdr is...up.
I want
to
say that there
is, a... no forced entry, that they are
both opened. .-.not by force.
I
see no facial damage or
attempts to figure out forced entry. . .non-existent .TO#
directly.
The one on the right is. . .undergoing a... I’d
say bulk.. .reproduction, they’re working on the, uh,
second drawer down now,
the one that has the, uh, black
dial on it.
There. ..I think it’s bulk anyway, there's a
copying apparatus which is .outside in the hall to the
left and then to the right about
25 or 30 feet down. .
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#66:
Describe the ones doing the copying.
PAUSE
#10.5:
There is
a, uh...only a youngish woman dressed in white...
brunette,
skirt,
blouse...
There is a middle aged short
male in it. . .glasses,
almost frail, gray flannel suit,
brown flannel suit... the glasses with the speckly frames,
has a widow’s peak...
The woman is to the left of the
clock doing. . .something,
also resembles a file cabinet
type ...
#66:
Describe the condition of the room
at- the- .present time.
PAUSE
#L0.5:
It’s
virtually unchanged.
The desk by the partition
is... a little disarrayed.
The two desks to the end...
turned slightly,
a little misaligned maybe. . .papers on
top
#66:
I have no further questions.
It’s time now for your
comments.
Please comment as you see fit
at this time.
PAUSE
#10. 5:
Must be a third safe which is the one which the woman is
working on.
It stands to the left of the
exit,
like frame
in a wall.
To the left of it is a large gray wall unit
like a wall cabinet...
It is open too.
It is the one
she is working on...top drawer,
but it looks much lighter
than the other two.
I'd almost say it's a file cabinet.
Back of the room behind the two desks something on the wall
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which is white.
I think of world map when I look at
that.
To the right of two safes there’s something on
the wall.
It’s rectangular, above eye level.
I think of
picture when I look at that.
Dark lying rectangle, think
like
a frame.^1 appear...! feel that this place is located
in a centerjyb etween two open hallways.
For some reason I
had a mirror image,
I'm getting another rectangle like two
rectangles, they place one exit
at left of the partition.
To the left of that is the safe with the girl, to the left
of that is the wall unit.
Then there’s the position from
which the photograph is taken,
and that appears to also be
a passageway. . .only that,
that is different.
I backed out
of it and there's a hall that goes away there and curves
backwards to the right at an angle,
but to the one to the
left of the partition is a straight up and down parallel
hallway,
and there are... I don’t know what it is, there
are platforms in this room that are weird.
The safes
seem to sit on platforms,
something raised other than
what they would raise up above the floor,
some other sort
of platform area...
I think all three are open, but two of the three are
presently being worked.
#66:
Do I understand that one looks more like
a file cabinet
than a safe?
#10. 5:
Yes.
Like the kind with the push-button lock on it...
It seems lighter,
less. . .dense.
#66:
All right.
#L0.5:
More flimsy metal.
#66:
Any further comments before drawing?
#10.5:
Well, uh,
several times I had the feeling that of the two
safes
side by side the one on the left is shorter than the
one on the right by abcmt
eight inches.
That's cer-,
there'
certainly a. . .recurringjjbig boy, little boy type. . .feeling
there, but not much,
one is... one on the right is
a little
taller.
That's all I got.
#66:
Okay,
fine.
Let's prepare to draw now.
#10. 5:
Okay.
Sketch one...is set of two things that I tdok to be
Mosler safes, man.
No doubt about it.
Where
I believe
they're positioned in the room is across from the clock,
that little pedestal or little whatchamacallit that has
that clock on it.
In other words, they’re to the left of
the place from which the photograph, target photograph,
was taken.
They're not, obviously, they're not in the
photograph.
Very spontaneously when I looked,
I was look-
ing,
okay, they want to know about
safes, you know,
let me
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on the left,
and there are two desks, only one of which
I’ve shown because only one is really...you know,
germane
I guess is the word for it.
In sketch one.
#66:
I’d like to ask about these two safes now if I could.
#10. 5!
Okay.
#66;
You said that, um-
#10.5:
They are not burned open, they are opened not surreptitiously.
They are opened as though the guys walked in in the classic
manner,
looked
at the guys calendar pad that works in
there,
and he found the combination circled.
Some stupid
thing like that.
He knew the combination.
They were not
pried open,
thej? weren’t jimmied open, they weren’t burnt
open, they weren’t blown open.
They were unlocked in a
normal manner.
#66:
They were unlocked in a normal manner-
#10. 5:
Yes.
#66:
But from the scario you’ve just related to me it was not
someone who normally shouldn’ t
the combination.
#10. 5:
I didn’t say that.
I don’t really,
I didn’t really say
that.
I’m not trying to say what- I do not know whether
the people there were supposed to be there or were not
supposed to be there.
That’s a qualitative judgement
I
can’t-
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
I did have an overlying pallor,
okay, this pallor of some
sort of surreptitiousness.
Now, whether that’s overlay
from the tasking or not I don’t know.
But
I did feel
surreptitiousness about it.
But I also felt that the
combination was known somehow,
and was dialed into the
safe and the drawers were opened.
#66:
Okay.
#10. 5:
Now, how that surreptitiousness applies to knowledge of
the combination,
I don't know.
I really couldn’t
say.
It could be that- it could be that these- this guy-
these guys really worked there and know the combination.
Okay?
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
And they’re there after duty hours and they're not supposed
to be there.
Or it could be that they don’t work there
and didn't know the combination, but somehow got it,
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weren’t uupposed to have the combination, but did know it.
And the method by which they would’ve gotton it is not
by some neat and technical grooviness,
like a camera in-
serted in the ceiling over the
safe with time synch photo-
graphy.
It was
some stupid thing like
some stupid blunder
that they just happened to get it.
Very easily.
If,
if,
if that's the alternative, i.e., they come walkin'
in, gee
it sure would be nice to get into those
safes, uh,
now’s
the time,
let’s look around maybe we can find the combin-
ation and. goddamnit they didn't find the combinations,
and
they tried them out and they worked.
That's the type of
a thing I’m tryin’
to
say.
#66:
All right.
Wow, um...just to clarify for...the person
who might be reading this transcript.
You have had some
exposure to intelligence training and would recognize
various methods of opening a safe by force...
#10.5:
Yeah.
Uh, you know, the reason I say that they weren’t
opened by force is I
said, you know, that's weird, the
safe’s open,
I’m looking for damage.
I was looking for
some visual thing that might come through, in RV that
would tell me if it'd been torched or cut.
And there's
no visible damage to the front.
Okay?
Or on the
sides
that are exposed.
I didn’t get in the crack, you know,
I was sort of just looking.
And it was automatically
exculsionary that any forced entry had occur
it was
just- it wasn’t a case of that,
just automatic,
spontan-
eous.
They didn't get in that way.
And
I like tried to
like, well what do you want to call it,
creative imagery,
maybe.
I tried to say, oh well, maybe they pounded it
open with a sledgehammer and a wedge.
And I
saw,
and I
created this guy- bang!
bang!
on the, on the dial.
No.
That doesn’t fit.
It just went right away.
Okay.
Maybe
they torched it open and I imagined a big- they big
cylinders and hydrogen and oxygen cylinders of a big torch
apparatus and everything.
No,
that just disspeared.
It
wasn’t substantive.
There was no,
no material
truth to
those type of things.
So I
said,
wfcll obviously I'm
fighting the problem.
They obviously got in without using
a forced
entry metheod.
They got in somehow, uh, in a
quasi-routine manner.
#66:
Okay...
#L0.5:
And there was absolutely no damage is the point
I want to
make.
Then- and I was saying here's another spontaneous
thing abouth the
safes.
As
I was looking at the one of
the right and the first minute
I found the
safe the top
drawer was open.
You know,
I didn't look at safes and then
manufacture somebody come over and open the drawer.
It was
that standing free that way and there was nobody around it.
#66 :
Okay.
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#10 . 5 :
#66 :
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#10.5:
The first time
I saw it.
And I looked at the left hand
safe, which
I think is a little bit
shorter,
and I said-
so I just spontaneously zoomed in on this black dial with
the butterfly in it and everything,
and the throw lever
was obviously in a upward position and I just spontaneously
knew that that one was open too.
But that they just weren't
screwing around with it right now and they had all the
drawers closed...
And I couldn't find a third safe.
You know, there was
not three in a row, there was no little field safe or some-
thing hidden or stuck in the floor or anything like that.
So I'm sort
of,
all throughtout the session I was conjuga-
ting about,
well-thef said there was three
safes in here,
I don’t know where the hell the third safe is,
I. can't
;
see it, it's not obvious.
And I don't want to make it
there.
And I happened to notice that this girl wearing
white was on the other side of the room to the left of this
door that I say is over there,
screwing around in the top,
and just, that was spontaneous too.
She’s standing at a
single big box,
cabinet box,
screwing around in a file
drawer,
a top file drawer again I
said, well maybe that's
what they're talkin’
about.
So I went over there and I
said but this isn’t a safe,
it doesn't look like the other
two.
That's when I decided that it really was like a file
Cabinet with a paracentric lock, that was being called a
safe.
Okay,
do you-
But it really wasn’t a safe as I know it.
Are you of the opinion then that I told you there was
three safes in there?
Yes*-.
Okay.
Yeah,
I
am.
We'll have to go back and listen to the tape.
Okay.
I don't know if you said that or not now that you asked
the question.
But there's, you know,
where was this other
thing over there and I
said well, that's obviously what's
being called a safe in this case, is this.
And it's got
the little paracentric lock on it, it's all U.S. type
equipment.
Okay...
All right.
I’ll go to sketch two.
I don't know if you want to pause
or not
'cause this is gonna be a whole end view of the'
room.
We've got a whole half thing here anywaw
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#66:
We’ve answered, you know, pretty much the essential ques-
tions.
Do you feel there’s something else that you want to
express here in the-
#10.55
Well,
I think that there’s a rat rig in there.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Okay.
I believe that the rat rig terminal is behind the
partition that’s visible in the targeting photograph.
Okay.
For validation purposes it might be worthwhile .
Uh,
I would like to do a overview of the floor where I
believe this activity to occur.
I believe it’s in a multi-
floored "L"
shaped building that’s essentially white,
or
it comes through white because
I got outside and looked at
it.
That might be useful for validation purposes.
Uh,
the,
I call it
a rat rig,
I think it was a rat rig,
and
as a matter of fact, we talk about audio input,
I heard
the rat rig bell go bing!
the minute I
saw it.
I looked,
and I
said, gee that looks like
a,
some
sort of a thing on
a desk,
and then all of a sudden
I, it was just automatic
it was a teletype keyboard and I heard, you know, the little
warning bell go bing! when it- you know, when it operates
it works that way you know.
Urn...
#66:
Could you draw,
rather than in a three dimensional perspec-
tive,
can you give me a two dimensional perspective of the
situation.
#L0.5:
Yeah, that’s a good idea...
That’s a good idea.
Okay...
And that’ll go right hand and glove with the floor plans
anyway.
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#10.55
It's not a file cabinet, it’s a wall. ..wall unit, double-
with double.wall file cabinet,
I'll call it, but it’s not
a file cabinet, it's
a, like what we've got.
Barracks
cabinet.
Barracks locker.
I'll call it
a wall locker.
This is a four drawer. . .cabinet with...when I
say para-
centric mode I mean something,
some cheap crap type lock
like that,
I don't necessarily mean a paracentric.
I
thought it was a paracentric, but it's...but
I,
I mean it's
some cheap old minimum security type of four drawer file
cabinet.
Woman in white. . .going through top
Duplicating machine is down the hall 25 feet
Okay,
and sort of like right here
two
safes.
Mosler type
top.
This is the man.
The man is accessing the
safe
from there,
and is
moving
out smartly
across and down
the hall.
And, uh,
I don’t know what's down here.
These
are the desks. .. .picture hangs on the wall there.
Map
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hangs there.
Some sort of a platform there.
This is
where the clock is.
And this is the desk
And this
exit area, how did it go?
It went out straight, made a
90 degree curve to my right, that’s as
I was going back-
wards.
And I had the feeling that when you came in this
other door this room was the last place you could go in,
and in fact you had to walk through the room to get out.
into the hall, okay?
What I mean is, uh...just like this,
if you were walking from the lower left of sketch two up
this hall you were going to this room.
And you either had
to go, there was no way you could turn off in the near
proximity.
There were no other room, doors around that.
It was like I was on the inside of some soil of a maze of
rooms.
And I actually would have to go through this room
to get out into the hallway in order to go somewhere else.
And this is where the photo was taken from, was that...
Call that target photo.
And the other end of the room is essentially blank because
I worked either here,
and then when I ended up getting my
back to safes then I was trying to put everything into
perspective.
#66:
Okay....
#L0.5:
Okay,
so that’s like an overhead layout.
Oh,
okay.
And
this desk here, when you asked me if there was any- to
describe the room which did give me a little problem,
’cause I didn't know whether it
should be described as
changes from the target photograph era, whenever that was,
or if it was like changes since
I had been there type
situation.
The only change is virtual, virtually no
change.
I didn't
see any massive destruction or reorgan-
ization or looting or pillaging or anything like that.
The only thing that was like the left hand desk was a
little canted like it'd been shoved a little bit out of
the way to allow more, more freedom of access between
these two desks down here.
And I've shown it in sketch
two as being canted thusly, but I had the feeling that they
were... right side by side when I started the session.
And that the only thing I saw that looked like disarray
was the feeling of- that's disarray not Desiree, was, uh,
papers somewhat strewn on top of the desks,
like almost
as though people were working there, you know,
not stacks
of papers and envelopes but just like four or five .sheets
sort of helter skelter on top of the desk each.
#66 :
Okay ....
#10. 5:
Okay.
The only other thing that I could do would be the
the building I felt was, uh...I felt that
I was in maybe
a three or four story relatively modem building Which
appeared a light or white, didn't appear dark or baroque
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which is what I would, you know,
ornate in any way.
It's
modern, um, plain office building.
I had the feeling that
I wag in some
sort of interior part of the complex.
I
was not in a room that had anything to do with the window
that I could look out of.
And that the building,
okay, it
was white and that it was, uh...sort of "L"
shaped, but not
pronouncedly so...
Thffce is it.
And there, where I was
was about on a third or fourth floor somewhere in the thick-
interior thick part of the
’’L’’ where the ”X” is.
And that
I was on about a third or fourth floor of
all&Jtfee or four
story building.
I didn’t even try to figure out where I
was ,
I just left it at that
And these people where not dressed shabbily in any way.
They were not dressed in manual labor clothes.
They were
dressed in nice business costumes.
The old guy with the—
at the safes,
55 or so,
he’s about
5 ’6”, he has a widow’s
peak, dark hair, wears glasses that have speckles on the
frames like those semi-clear plastic,
sorb of a narrow
face, was wearing like
a brown tweed suit,
tie the whole
works,
right?
Business office types, and the woman was
about
25 or 26 , had brownish, UoUacMC- hair which was
shoulder length and was wearing a nice white, um, blouse,
open at the, open at the waist, you know, on top of her
skirt type thing with sort of like billowing,
not real
puffy exorbitant sleeves, but sort of billowing sleeves,
with cuffs on ’em down around her wrists
and had
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skirt.
You know,
a nice pleated typevJ*»‘.H
sk±rt that you
would expect some secretary to find,
or something like that.
Or to wear,
rather.
#66:
You did state at one time that you thought it was peculiar
that they were duplicating these documents in bulk?
#L0.5:
Yeah.
The reason is because the atmosphere of these peo-
ple.
These people- you know,
all throughout the session
I didn’t know who the hell these people were.
They
could’ve been people that worked there for all I know.
You know, despite
ding surreptitiousness or whatever.
If they were people that worked there then obviously they
would know what it is they wanted if they were stealing
documents and reproducing them for some nefarious reasons,
so I would have expected them to be a little more selectic-
selective, right?
But no, they were- they weren’t just
pulling individual files and taking them away.
I didn’t
actually see them doing any Xerox,
now.
I knew that they
were going to have them Xeroxed and that the place was
25 feet down the hall, but
I didn't out there and visit
it,
I just sort of went- okay, it’s around the corner and
over there and I, you know, it was just one of these
quick things.
Uh,
so them you would think then that they were outsiders
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV)
SESSION D-39
1.
(S/NOFORN)
Prior to the session the viewer was briefed on the aspects of
his mission.
This briefing is included as part of the transcript in this
report.
.
2.
(s/NOFORN)
During the session the viewer was asked to focus on critical
aspects
fcff his descriptions.
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