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"The decorative building
looks
like
a
.
.
.
a big E with
a period
in
the center.
I'm not
sure
I
understand what
that
means.
PAUSE
See
two courtyards behind
it.
And they're
framed.
Framed courtyards.
PAUSE
- Decorative building
is
thejfr&f'.
Its
a landmark
.^
PAUSE
Okay.
I have
no further questions
about
the
target.
I'd like
to provide you the opportunity
at
this
time
to
add anything that you would like
to
add.
PAUSE
I
just ...
I
got
a very strong ....
sense
of
dislike
or ...
a more
.
.
.
more repugnant
feeling
for this whole section
of
town.
I
don't
know how to qualify
that.
But
I
think
its very
important
That
' s
all
Okay
PAUSE
I'd
like you now
to draw those perceptions that
you've
had.
PAUSE
I
don’t
think
I want
to move.
PAUSE
I
had
a terrible
time concentrating on
this
session
#66.
PAUSE
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#1:
I
don't
know why.
(Not audible)
PAUSE
Kept
drifting away
from the target
here.
PAUSE
What was that?
#66
:
Do you think your
imagery
is valid?
PAUSE
the building
I
that
these
#1:
Yeah.
But there's
.
.
hostages
are
in
is ...
I'm pretty sure,
fastened
to another building that's
smaller.
But,
I'm
not
entirely
sure whether or
not that’s completely
accurate.
Say
that.
It
is
in
a
long line of
J
buildings,
approximately
the same
size.
Its on
a street corner and
.
.
its
very much related
in
some way
to this decorative building.
Like
its
a compound of buildings
that represent
seme offic
function
of
some sort
like
its
a
.
.
.
like
this
building
is
the functional part
of this entire
complex of buildings right
in here.
#66
:
Okay
#1
:
As
far
as their function
.
.
.
PAUSE
And
I
keep seeing the differences between
the
decorative building and this building,
I keep
seeing
a dividing parking area.
When
I
look
at
the overall
overhead view of the way that
the
buildings
are
laid out,
I'm not
sure
if this
is
like
off
the one end of
the E or off the
actual
end of the building.
You know,
its actual
position
in relationship
to
the decorative build-
ing
is difficult.
.
to ascertain other than
the
fact
that
its right
next
to
it.
Its kind of
a
confusing
.
.
kind
of
a confusing
thing.
PAUSE
So,
on Page
1,
I
guess
I'll
do
a picture of
the
interior and just work out
from there.
#66:
Okay.
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,
.
#1
:
Getting
an
impression
of
a
.
.
.
this building
being fastened
to
a smaller building
like
this.
This
larger portion being
flat
roofed
and the
attached portion
is not
flat
roofed.
PAUSE
I
sense
on
the third floor there's stairs
about
like here that
go
up.
PAUSE
D
Stairs
that
go
down.
And at
this portion of
the wall
is
like
a
.
.
a corridor that
goes
like
this.
And that
this area
is
all
open
here.
Over
in
this area.
Its
all open
here.
Its
like
a
.
desk or something.
Here.
I
think there's
.
.
.
a
lot
of small
rooms
in
a row down
this corridor
.
a
I ts like
a dormitory type
effect.
And
I
don't.
IA/J
I
don't
get
a strong impression
that
these are
"
cells or anything,
that
they
are used
for
some
other reason,
but
I
just
get
a
.
.
.
there was
like
10 or
12 of these and about
the first
eight,
which
I'll mark with
X's,
are occupied by hostages.
#66:
Okay,
when you originally
described them,
you
said they were like cells
and then you kind of
kept exploring them and then you said well they're
really
not
cells.
#1
:
Right.
I
don't know how to explain that.
#66:
How were they furnished?
#1
:
Very,
you know,
a
small
table,
or
a stool
or
chair that doesn't have
any back or
arms,
a
stripped bed and essentially that's
it.
From
what
I
can
see.
I was
for some reason,
I was
particularly
interested
in finding
a mirror
in
one of those rooms
and
I
don't know why but
I
was unable
to find
a mirror
and
I
don't know why
I
had that
distracted interest.
.
.
in finding
a mirror.
#66:
Okay.
:
So
.
.
.
you know,
I
just
have,
there's some-
thing like scratching
in
the back
of my mind
here
and for
some reason
I
had
an
interest
in
a mirror and
I
don't know
if
that.
.
.
didn't
notice
if there
is
some kind of glasg
Up
idle,
doors or what,
you know,
but
itp^a^’on e-way or
two-way glass
of some sort.
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room.
Its
like
if
you were
to
go
into
a
hospital
and say
okay,
we're gonna take
this
whole
floor right here
and we're
going
to
put
on
locks
and heavy
steel
fire doors
to
all
these rooms
and we're going
to call
this
now
a detention room.
Or
a detention
floor.
#66:
Okay,
so were these rooms locked?
#1
:
Yes.
They were
locked with slide locks from
the outside.
Heavy bolt
slide
locks.
#66:
And the
doors were
.
.
What were the construction
of
the doors?
.
.
When you looked
at
them?
#1
:
Just metal.
They
didn't
appear
to
be,
you know,
heavy.
I would call them fire doors more
than
I would cell
doors.
#66:
Okay.
#1
:
I
think that's
the flavor
I'm getting.
.
.
from
this.
You know,
its
the way
the thing
is
constructed.
For economy reasons,
it would make
a fairly good cell.
If you had the people and
they were close
(not audible)
observation.
But would not normally be used for
a cell
that
holds prisoners.
I
have
a strong feeling that
this
is some kind
of
a
.
.
.
this building has something ty^e"-wij^h
a correctional
institution,
but
.
.Cnp<a prison^
#66
:
Okay
.
^
#1
:
.Correctional
institution.
Its
almost
like,
you'd
never have prisoners there permanently.
It was
like
a holding area or something but
not
really
police associated.
Well,
that's
not
really true.
#66:
From your diagram right
now,
I
didn't want
to
interrupt what you were saying before,
from your
diagram before,
what
you have right
now,
I
can't
tell which side the doors
to these rooms are
in relationship
to the stairway.
#1
:
Okay.
I'll
just put
the doors
in
here.
#66:
They're
on
the stairway
side
then?
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#1
:
They're on
the stair
-
the desk
side,
where
this
guard,
and
I'll put
a
"G"
in
guard,
is sitting.
Call
him
a
guard,
but
I
don't sense he's
armed.
PAUSE
That's kind of strange.
Down
here was like
a
room
in
this corner that had some people
in
it.
PAUSE
And they're sitting like
at
a table
or something.
Its
like
a break area of some
sort.
PAUSE
These
are also guards.
And
.
.
.
two of these
are
armed.
#66
:
Now,
you were saying before something about,
this
is
like
a correctional
institution,
but
not
a
prison.
.
# 1
:
Right.
#66:
'And police oriented.
#1
:
Well,
no.
This sort
of confused me
a little bit.
PAUSE
You know,
I
have
an analytic problem here.
I have
a personal
desire
to
say,
Oh yeah,
this
is police
station.
And
I
think that's analytic because of
what
I'm remote seeing.
And,
I would be more
inclined
to say that
its
got
the
flavor
of
a
I
correctional
institution but
I wouldn't
jump
tol!
conclusions and associate
it with
the police.
/§
You know,
I
feel
like
that would be analytic
I
for me
to
say
that.
v
#66
:
All
right.
# 1
:
And
I
don't want
to say
that.
But
I
do
see that
these guys that were
in here
are wearing some
kind of
a uniform shirt.
Maybe
its
some kind of
an adopted uniform or something
for their particular
brand
of nationalism or
something.
I
don't
know.
But,
its
a dark shirt,
like
a
very,
very
dark
brown
or black
shirt
and there's
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complex or enterprise or whatever you want
to
call
it.
This side
that
faces
the street,
I
sensed
a large walk with some
very
large trees
lining the
street.
This being
a grassy area.
PAUSE
just sensed there
' d be some
large trees here
along the
street.
This being
the
street.
And incidentally,
a large
street,
with
.
.
cluttered with traffic.
Down here
this turns
the corner
and this
is
a
small
street.
And
its
a
lot quieter.
I
sense
like there was
people walking
up
and down here.
#66
:
On
the small
street?
#1:
Yeah.
On the small
street.
But
not
on
the
large
street
side,
because
of
a
lot
of heavy traffic
over here.
#66
PAUSE
And
.
.
the
doorway.
.
.
Did that
large street continue on?
#1
:
//The
large street's that
spoked thing that
jt
M comes out
of
the center of the
city.
<(
#66
Yeah,
but
you have
it
turning
to the small
street,
am
I
.
.
??
#1
:
Oh.
The
large
street.
Yeah,
the large street
goes
on
by.
#66:
Okay.
#1:
Goes right
on by.
The small
street's
a
left
hand turn off the
large street.
Although,
I
don't
remember seeing another side,
you know,
another end
of
the small
street
going
in
the
opposite direction.
#66:
Okay.
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£1
;
Its
like
a
"T"
intersection where
the small
street hits
the large street.
Page
2.
The doorway appeared
to be just
a
standard stone block square
doorway.
And there appeared to be
double
doors.
.
.
maybe one
step.
Very simple entry way.
£66
:
This
is
the side entrance you're drawing now?
£1
:
This
is
the
front
or the courtyard entrance.
£66:
Courtyard or
front
entrance,
all
right.
£1
:
Yeah.
And there appeared
to
be,
on both
sides,
some kind of
a
.
.
just
a section of column
like
a column
you would cut
in half
and glue
up against
the wall.
Two decorative column
shapes coming down
like
this.
This was kind
of
.
.
design up here.
An
oval
of
some
sort.
Street
indicator or something.
There was some
kind of
design
in this oval.
PAUSE
Now essentially
as
the
And
I
sense that
.
.
there were windows on
this
side of
the courtyard but
on
the other
side there
were
no windows.
Courtyard entrance.
£66:
Okay.
It would be appropriate time
for me
to
ask you now to
discuss
the confusion between
the three story/four story building.
£1:
Well,
.
.
.
outside
looking
at the building,
I
get
the
impression of three floors
of windows
and
a flat
roof.
Inside
I
get
the impression of
being on
the third
floor but with stairs going
up
like
to another
floor.
Also,
inside,
on the
third floor,
I
get
the impression
there are
no windows.
So
.
.
you know,
that's
.
.
I know
that's very confusing,
but
that's the
impressions
I
have.
And you know,
I
could analytically
attack
that
and say well,
inside maybe
I'm
counting
a basement
and outside
I'm not.
Or
inside maybe there's
another
floor
in
the attic.
Which
of
course,
I’m not
seeing because of
a
flat
roof.
You know and there's ...
I
don’t
know how to explain
it
.
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Okay,
that's
fine.
#1:
That’s essentially
the
feeling
that
I'm getting.
Page
3,
well
I'm
not going
to
.
.
the other
door,
I'm not
going
to
do,
because
all
it
is
is
just
a square
front
and just
two very large
heavy wooden
doors
facing the street
side.
And the wall was bare
all
the way
down.
Grey
stone.
No windows.
.
on the street
side.
On
the ground
floor
anyway.
The
.
.
.
Page
3,
the
front
of
this decorative building
I
get
the impression
is
like
an arched or semi-arched
kind
of entrance with the you
know’,
the decorative
white stone work
like
.
.
.
this with
a
.
.
.
fancy steps.
.
in
the
front.
As well.
And they're
recessed
in
here.
And its
like another semi-arch
and there's big double doors
in
there with more
of
the,
you know,
the stone work or whatever
in
here.
And that
the
face runs through the square
section of the
face
like
this,
drops back
a
little
bit
and
then the wall comes
in this way.
That
sort of thing with
a big oval
driveway.
And this being
a street out
here.
And
that
there's,
you
know’,
this portion,
goes up
to the
top of the building.
t“66:
Okay.
Write
decorate building next
door.
Or something or other.
{
#1
:
#66
:
‘
#1
:
You know,
there's some functional
connection.
And
.
.
.
looking from the very
top,
I
get this
impression
that
there's
this main road and this
little
road.
.
and there's
this rather
large grey
building here.
Now,
I'm not
sure
about
the positioning of
this
decorative building,
but
I'm getting,
I’m getting
like the
impression
that
its
like
this.
The shape
of
it,
I'm fairly certain
of.
Do you
feel
that
there
is some connection between
t
the decorative building and this other building?
<
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like
.
.
.
there's some shared
/.
function.
You know,
like
if
this would be Depart 4/
ment
of Agriculture,
that would be Department
of
//
Internal Rice Growers
or something.
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#1
:
It
looks
like
a giant
"E".
And there's
like
a period
in
the
"E"
on
the decorative
front
out here
in
the
driveway.
#66:
Okay,
now,
before you said you had trouble
really orienting
the decorative building to the
grey building
as
to how the
"E"
might
be turned
or how they
??
#1
:
Okay,
let me explain
that.
#66:
Okay.
#1
:
There's
a row of buildings,
incidentally,
that
go this way.
#66:
Okay.
#1
:
I
don’t know
if they're associated or
not.
This courtyard
for some reason,
I
feel
like
its
boxed.
These
courtyards.
Okay,
the reason why,
is
I
sense
an
open
end
to
the
left,
okay.
.
.
when
I'm looking
at
this courtyard.
And
I
sense
it being closed
in
on the right
so
I
don't know
.
.
If
this
grey building's positioned
like
this
like this
in Page
4,
which
I
for some reason
I
feel
like
is
appropriate,
that
its positioned
like that
-
or,
let me give you some variations
on Page
5.
#66:
Then Page
5 will be
a variation.
#1
:
"a variation of
the way that
that might be positioned.
There might,
in Variation
A,
the
"E"
shaped building
might
be
like this with the grey building on
the
end
.
PAUSE
Sharing
.
.
.like
a common rear courtyard.
Or,
in Variation
"B"
,
it might
be that
the
”E"
shape
building
is
.
.
.
this way.
You know.
(Not
audible)
or whatever you want
to
call
it.
But,
the thing that
I
think
is
important,
okay,
there's
.
.
I
think that
the
.
.
the
.
.
"E"
shape
of the
‘decorative building's
important.
The shape
of
the
grey building
is
important.
In
the
fact
that
in
every
case,
the grey building
on the smaller
connecting end has
a row
of buildings
going out
from
it.
PAUSE
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:
#66
:
I
think that
those^are
the
three
important
characteristics
h/re.
You're
not
sure about
the orientation
#1:
The orientation
of
the building
I'm very con-
fused by.
But
there
is
a courtyard separating
the
two.
#66:
Okay.
#1
:
And
I
don't know why
I
had the confusion.
-And the courtyard and the
"E"
shape building
f
j appears
to be fairly boxed.
The "E"
shape
building,
incidentally, is very
large
.
.
.
where the gray shape building
is perhaps
a fifth
,
the size
of the
"E"
shape building and that
there
1 is
a cluster of buildings there
and
that
the
Vbuildings represent
some general
sameness of
junction
.
#66
:
Okay
.
#1
:
And that
these
aren't
cells
that
these guys
are being held
in but
some kind of
a converted
detention area of some
sort.
That's essentially
it
.
#66:
Okay.
#1
:
Oh!
And,
I want
to reiterate,
probably
that
the
strongest part of
this whole session
that
doesn't
make any
sense
at
all
to me,
was maybe
of
importance,
is that
the general
Iranians
have
a
dislike
for this section of
the
city
for some
reason.
Almost
a repugnance,
like maybe
its
not
a moslemic area
of
the city or something.
There
is one other
thing.
Page
6.
To
get
there,
I
feel
like you have
the
center,
or
the heart,
what
they
call
the heart
of
the
city,
and that
there's
spoked roads going
out.
There's
like five major roads going
out.
And that
this road where the arrow
is
is
the one
that goes
to
this facility and
its
like seventy
degrees
from Northern section of the
city.
-.And you know how my directions
are.
I
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