Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 leakage in that building, that's all I want. If nothing else comes out of this that would be the most important factor involved. S. Okey, all right, we will secure and drive out and if you get any other impulses we will turn it on and activate it yourself. A. Okey rr Some minutes later while driving away from the site . A. (?) feel right now as a psychicallyas.an impulse is that the person, the man that is carrying this, may disgappear, or pronounce dead,or something like this. S. Oh, A. This is what I'm feeling. S. Well now,let us talk this over, Is the person who is carrying this device the young man who you think has disgappeared or will disgappeared and be killed? The emotion is yes. What is. . I don't know 3 it is very emotional, Scott, at this point.and I don't know . Does that appear psychic imput? Yes, its, its... . Okey, then there is some possibility that the, that operation Ts going to be wrapped.up then, that,if that in fact has happened, the bug is, will not come back into the area. A. If it has happened, it has not come back, but I don't know what I am picking up, all I can say is, urgency. S. But you. . . can we agree that . . . I want you to go ahead in time now, Alex, del ibertely go ahead in time, Will the device come into the Army's hands, will they locate . ? . No, unless they do something they will not. . Well, okey, but what can they do and when can they do it? I don't know, I don't know, Ehis is what I'm trying to figure outs . Okey. Well, there is one thing to batch the person responsible... guess we can say thig,logically,if the agent in place is still there, and for reasons that are yet somewhat obscure to us they decide to get rid of the of the person who is the carrier of the device, it is something hot they can do again later, implant another device in the same sort of . . nrnPryr > Hn YFP NH PS Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
44, Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 A. The same sort of cover. S. Or some other cover, use the same mode. I am just logically saying this. A. All right, there is something that came to me. I spoke about one man being white, therejis another person that appears oriental to me. I don't know how to explain that.. I don't know whether . . .all I can say is tha the word is oriental, all right ? I cannot say Chinese, Japaneses 1 cannot say what it is. S. But what is the signficance? A. There is something important here that I have to put together. S. Okey. A. I just want to make a note of that, that I try to come back to that. S. Well, is the oriental a normal employee of the office? A. Yes, of the office. S. Are there any other orientals working there? A. I don't know. S, It would be nice if you could tell us, because that would be a positive identification of a unique individual. A. But I don't know what this orientalpersong has in this whole thing- ----+-- pause - - - - A. I've not had a psychic emotion like this in a couple of months, and the last time that I had before this session... . my question is: has any young man, I'm not talking about here and now, I get a feeling, has ever left this post and no word has ever heard from it and nothing has been done because of its disgappearance? S. Well, this is a very large post.,. A. No, I mewely mean. . S. You mean within the area (Secure area where building 303 is located) A. That area. . S. 333, A. Yea. The thing here that is asking, I keep hearing a disgappearance , but it is not connected directly with what I am seeing now ; it just an impression, that's all I'm asking, you know. It may come out later for what this means, connected or in (non) connected I don't know, but I Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
1 Abtobedsraf RRSSE AYO TNB/ItY CIANRDPELALY BBROUE PAACROLEY mike being used was failing, and not recognized unti ter the recording. Side 6, taped in the morning of 10 September 1981 A. (Unintelligéble) S. Yes, you said there was a, you identified two women. A. Not the one in the conference room. S. You didn't give much on her; you said there was a second woman, and I frankly would have to replay the tape to get whatever you did say, but I recall that there was not much description of her other than she was older than the one (unintelligable) A. (Unintelligable) S. Where is she going to come back into play now, in what way? A. Well, she (unintel ligable ) in a number of ways, I just don't want them to miss that because (unintelligable) You see, what is happening here first of all, the people who want the information either believe orfknow that there was a very important project which is, in-which they want the information for themselves. S. Okey. A. And therefore,in some way have worked themselves into this (?) and, have worked themselves into (?) by not because the ones recruiting the people for the project didn't (?), but because after they had been selected it appears that (?) one of them (7?) the one that knows there, the one that is... S. The agent in place. the A. Yes, ( 2? ? ?) he was approached and accepted, even with security , it looks, I'm not going to say, I don't know whether (?) or what. S. Okey, we are talking now about the person that I have identified as an agent in place. You say that he was recruited, and you are not sure how whether it was aut :of greed or lack of patrietism or blackmail - something. Anyhow he’, was he recently recruited? Or within one year, ten years. A. No, recently; by recently, I mean a couple of years, two years. Its not someone who has been in the service (?) ten year, fifteen years. . . S. In the service of the «&kx foreign country. A. Oh, in the service of the United States. S. Okey, we have mixed two things. I wanted to get an identification of this person. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7 S. Okey, but I want to know what this oblong thing is? A. That oblong,x its just my image of something that looks like insidey of whatever it is, the computer or whatever they are carrying. S. That's a component part A. A component part in it. It is very samll. S. Okey, MNmaw now draw the computer around xx that so that we know where, where that is. Is it in the center, or one corner or one end, or what? A. Okey, can we shut that off? Ss. Yea. A. Note that it really doesn't fully belong into this, not that he always feetgnave any doubt about what I was saying. What Dr. Osis said that that some of the things are so outrageous and SO way out that those are the things that are really Real taat you get on the (?) and that's how I feel about what I just tol& you. I mean it seems so out, but that's the way I feel about it, psychically.. S. Okey, what we are talking about and what was off the recorder for a short time was a discussion of solid state circutry. Alex feels very stringly, psychically, that something that he can best describe now that appears and may be a hand-held calculator, or some device that appears that way is the receptor of a transmitter. The transmitter itself is exceedingly small, very small, pin head size. And appears is embedded or isa disguised part of a normal electronic oomponent. He few feels also that this is activated, WHENXLHE that the transmitter is turned on by the switch that normally turns on the device, let's say the calculator, and by extension is therefore only used when it is turned on, and when the calculator or device is turned off, then it is not transmitting. Is this correct? A. That is correct S. And that this device has been unwittingly carried, that is, the transmitter has been unwittingly carried into the suite by a young man whoes description has been given. That there is an employee, also relatively young, but what, older than the man carrying the device, this is the agent in place - - the relative Appesve@F oftreide¥e 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700140004-7