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Notes on conversation with
In general
:
(DIA/OGF/PAG)
1 Feb
95:
is program manager at DIA of Stargate.
his staff are currently housed at
Ft.
Meade
He and
He said DIA has been involved formally managing the Stargate
program since 1990 and that
it was inherited from the US Army
[General Stubblebind? ]
;
there
it had been a primarily
operations oriented program since the early 1980s.
We discussed what CIA's
initial approach to the program
transfer would be
[from my perspective],
and the current
state of the DIA program from his perspective.
I said that
the first thing CIA is going to do
is
set up a Blue Ribbon
Review panel.
I mentioned the National Research Council as
a
leading contender for this,
based on the previous work they
had done for the Army Research Institute.
I said the second
thing we would do,
and in parallel,
was
to formally look at
the issue of declassification.
I asked for cooperation in
both of these efforts.
I made no discussion and no
commitments in terms of dates,
milestones,
nor discussed any
other aspect o f program transfer
(i.e.,
billets,
dollars,
J intense curiosity and questions on these
etc.),
despite
issues.
I asked for all the supporting documentation
[
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has
said was available during a previous meeting.
This
included:
1]
DIA program retrospective
(just
2 ]
20 year
submitted in draft
to CMS)
,
retrospective draft
3]
ED May's
(SAIC principal investigator)
unclassified retrospective of R&D in parapsychology,
and
4]
45 documents relating to R&D which
| claimed he had
declassified.
He said he would bring these to the meeting
Monday,
but later hesitated about the R&D material,
and the
20 yr retrospective saying it might be difficult
to
find.
1 described
these document s during our conversation
confirming what
had said them.
]
|
| described some general highlights of the DIA program .
TO conduct operations.
It
is worth noting that
believes
that he has already
responded to
the CDA in preparing his LIMDIS report which he
recently has submitted to the CMS and which he
is discussing
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with. DIA's OCA liaison.
He
said, he didn't object,
however,
to the CIA Blue Ribbon panel,
and that
it was
a good idea
because this work is
so important.
He also said he drafted a
report going back to 1973 on the history of the program which
he said was
the 20-yr retrospective Congress asked for.
He also pledged to be very cooperative in our Blue
Ribbon Panel review.
He was not too keen on the issue of
declassification"
,
but he has equities
in mind of which
I am
unaware.
He said that
"program declassification is not
good,
" especially if
it addresses who we have been doing this
work for
(the customers?).
I didn' t push the discussion on
declassificat ion other than to name
that
I though
,
, and to say
would be attending some of
tne meetings.
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Highlights:
• We agreed that
ORD on
Feb,
10:00.
would briefing his program at
•
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|agreed to bring relevant documentation to the
meeting
front,
I_ told^^CIA' s approach was Blue Ribbon Panel up
with no other commitments
may resist declassification,
cooperation
but otherwise pledges
•
The program is currently an operations program,
collection and research have ceased.
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