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MINUTES OF THE MEETING,
DOD GRILL
FLAME COMMITTEE
1.
(U)
Place:
DIA/DT Conference
Room,
Pomponio Plaza.
2.
(U)
Time and
Date:
0930 hours,
28 November
1978.
3.
(U)
Attendees:
See enclosure
1.
4.
(S/ORCON)
Following the
introductions.
Dr.
Vorona provided
opening’,
comments
to the group.
He cautioned
the Committee to maintain
a
low
profile with minimal
fanfare.
The sensitivity of the subject material
requires
that
all
participants
be circumspect
in
any outside discussion
of the program.
5.
(U)
Following these comments,
the agenda was
reviewed.
No additions
or changes were recommended.
6.
(S/ORCON)
The group then discussed possible names for the organiza-
tion.
It was
decided that
"GRILL
FLAME COMMITTEE,"
following the title
given
to the
US Army program, would
be acceptable
to all
participants.
7.
(S/ORCON)
The group then agreed
to establish limited access
rosters.
Each member organization
is
to develop
its own roster and these will
be made
available
to the other members of the Committee.
Permanent members must
possess SI/TK clearances, although participants
of some
"ad
hoc"
groups
and
individuals
involved
in research programs will
only
be required to
have SECRET clearances.
8.
(S/ORCON) The GRILL
FLAME Oversight Committee has the following members:
Dr.
Jack Vorona,
DIA
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MG
E.
R.
Thompson,
Army ACS I
RADM
S.
Shapiro,
Commander,
NIC
Maj
Gen
J.
L.
Brown, Air Force ACS I
Dr,
Lowell
Dailey,
USDR&E
Representative
Members
are responsible
for insuring that research
and experiments
fall
within the
legal
guidelines established by the
DoD and the Services.
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9.
(S/0RC0N )
An
"ad
hoc"
working group was
established to develop Commit-
tee goals
and objectives.
Participants are
as
follows:
Mr.
Dale Graff,
FTD
Dr.
Bill
Mehuron,
Navy
MajBillStoner^An^y^
Maj Murray Watt,
INSCOM
The group will
hold
its first meeting
in January,
1979.
10.
(C)
Maj
Stoner
then addressed problems
involved with the Privacy Act
and the security
of the GRILL FLAME program.
Army plans
to develop
a;
security agreement
to preclude compromise of the program and associated
activities.
In addition,
the DIA Legal
Counsel
will
be contacted
for
his
comments
.
11.
(S/ORCON)
Dr.
Mehuron suggested
that the Committee have
as
one of
its
goals
the
identification
and extent of the Soviet parapsychology programs.
He also urged that we
identify current parapsychology intelligence collec-
tion requirements,
develop additional
requirements and task SEEK sources.
It was agreed that this should be done.
Current collection requirements
will
be provided
at the next meeting.
12.
(S/ORCON)
A discussion followed on thepossibility of inviting CIA to
attend the meetings.
It was agreed that
would contact
and suggest that
a CIA representative
attend subsequent meetings.
13.
(S/ORCON) The Committee concurred with the recommendation
that each
member organization maintain control
over
its
own parapsychology research
contracts.
However,
all
Committee members will
have cognizance of the
total
DoD contractual
efforts
in this
area.
14.
(S/ORCON)
Dale Graff provided the Committee with
a brief review of
Gulyayev's visit
to
SRI
this past November.
This was followed
by
an
exchange of current
intelligence.
Items
are attached as enclosures
through
8.
15.
(C)
The problem of document downgrading was also brought to the floor.
The Committee agreed that
all
documents originating as
a result of the
GRILL FLAME program would undergo downgrading review only after
20 years.
16.
(S/ORCON)
Mr.
Graff next suggested that
a cover story
be developed for
the program;
Dr.
Vorona suggested that the National
Academy
of Sciences
might back an open program
to
investigate paranormal
phenomena.
The
recommendation will
be brought to
Dr.
Davis
attention.
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17.
(S/ORCON)
Dr.
Vorona then
urged the development of experimental
protocol
and methods
for validating experiments.
As
a result,
an
"ad
hoc" working group was established
to accomplish this
task.
Members
are
as follows:
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Mr.
Dale Graff,
FTD
Mr.
John
Kramar, AMSAA
Dr.
Bill
Mehuron,
Navy
Maj Murray Watt,
INSCOM
The working group will
hold
its first meeting
in January,
1979.
18.
(S/ORCON)
next provided
a review of the
SRI
remote viewing
experiments
carried out
at
DIA this past summer.
The results
appear
to
be
inconclusive,
but satisfactory data
interpretation
keys muse still
be
developed.
A summary of the experiments
is attached as enclosure
9.
19.
(U)
The next meeting of
the GRILL
FLAME Committee will
be
February
1979 *
20.
(U) The meeting adjourned at 1210 hours.
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ATTENDEES
GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE
28 November 1978
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Col
Albert DeProspero,
USAMSAA
Mr.
Dale Graff,
FTD
Mr.
John
Kramar,
USAMSAA
Dr.
William Mehuron,
Navy
MAJ Murray Watt,
INSCOM
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787-6351
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283-3075
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225-5878
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