Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Clay #1: ( +17 #66: #66: #66: ed #1: #88R000100030001-8 No, its very small, but there's .. . there's ships in it. Supposed to be ships in it, or . - « or... Yeah, there's ships in it. PAUSE The pieces are taken through the tunnel and they're put on ships in that building. Sub- marines. PAUSE T'm seeing .. . a lot of that . . more activity than normal there now. I... I feel like there's probably not too much activity going on, but I see a lot of .. . black sails. Se is NATE Don't know. . . Don't know what that is. Fins, I see fins. Like little fins. Square. ae err eet ed What's your position of perspective now? Standing. . . standing in the corner of the little building looking in the . . . in the bays. PAUSE ~ I don't ..tHI.. . Its very, for some reason, extremely difficult to see. . . to see the shapes of the submarine. Its like they're there and they are not there. Like maybe its because they're so temporary or something. Okay, I want you to position yourself over, 100 feet, over the cement building. PAUSE Position yourself 100 feet over the cement building. PAUSE Um hm. Now to the left describe the open area outside of the building to the left. PAUSE Which side am I facing? Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-0G¥Bo¢edc0b030001-8
AT A CT Approved For Release 2000/0810 SPREE e2r2000100030001-8 #663 #1: #66: #663 #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: #66 #1: #66: #1: #663 #1: #66: #1: #66: You tell me whatever you want to describe. I'm facing . . I'm facing quays. Ships Parked ships. Okay and to which side of the building are these? That;s what I'm facing. All right now to the left then, if you're facing that way, now what's to the left side of the building? The . . The small building. And what else? The water. Okay. There's two. . two bays in the small building. They. . . There's three but... I can't see the middle one for some reason. I don't under- stand that . . . Its three bays but there appears to be two. I don't... Tell me about the construction of this building that's to the left. Its .. PAUSE Its got tall sides. Um hm. Perhaps. .. four .. . five sotries or six ddtries tall. All right. That's very good. Flat roof. Okay and that is to the left of the cement building? Yes. All right. Now between the cement building, face forward again, tell... Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP98-00788R000100030001-8 a ee
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : SEER EK occocrc00s0001- #1: #66 #1: 427. #66 #1: #66 #1: oe ae #66: #66 #1: #66 #1: #66: #1: Facing the quays. Facing the quays, tell me about just over the edge of the building between the building and the quays, tell me about that area. Ha ha. PAUSE That's. . . That's all crates. Stacked crates and stacked with pieces . . Its sort of like the puzzle affair, you know that area with the pieces to the puzzle. All right, fine. But is not .. . the same, its like crated objects. I . . machines are crated there too. They may. . There may even. . - (not audible). Machines not covered sitting there. All right fine, position yourself over the building again and tell me when you're there. Position yourself directly over the building. Okay. Now look straight down. Straight down at the building. Uh huh. And describe what you see. PAUSE I see a roof. All right. That's fine. Now, simply disolve the roof and see right through so you are seeing the schematic. I see . . large machines and. . a whole bunch of railroad tracks suspended in the air. All right. Focus further down now, further down focus. PAUSE I see... looks like . . huge presses and things. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : sss ee 8 i , i
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : cin SESE o1o0020001 #663 #1: #66: #1: #66: #66: #663 #1: #66: #1: #665 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA. Okay. Tell me about the colors. PAUSE I'm getting a strong impression of . . . like . . « rust browns and. . . dark grays; mostly rust brown color. Okay. A lot of primer color. Now. Its like... Go ahead. Its like .. . just a maze of machines. Um hm. Now I want you to focus on this very clearly looking down at the building now. You have to be very careful when you look down into the building not to slip down to the areas that you're looking at. You have to be very careful to maintain yourposition, your perspective when you look down. Hold yourself up there at 100 feet above the target. And now, as you focus down on that I want you to concentrate very carefully on the . . the basic layout of the machines and the way things are done in there and the shematic of the floors. . . Jesus! (Not audible) organized. That's right. Hold yourself up there, 100 feet up. PAUSE Its not necessary to explain all that to me but I want you to draw it later so look at it very carefully. I see (not audible) tunnel ways coming into the building. All right. Fine. 4BR000100030001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 SEBRET .cccorcnns0001-8 #1: Okay. PAUSE What a mess. Jesus! PAUSE +32 #66: All right. I have no further questions about the target at this time. I would like to provide you the opportunity to say anything that you'd like to say about the target. PAUSE #1: There. .. PAUSE I got a very strong impression that itsa.. modifications of the weapon system but I... I don't see any weapons. . . which is .. a kind of a confusing thing. #66: Explain your impression, the raw impression that makes you Say weapon system. #1: Its . . I'm asking myself the question, what uj this . ."this coffin Like thing. Ana the answer I keep giving myself is that 1ts_a weapon. And, tT don't know why. I dont ™Sée™any weapon. #6632 Tell me about the inside of this coffin object. PAUSE #1: Just a mae of bent metal and hydraulics. And some .. . apparently, pneumatic hoses or some- thing. Very, very complicated. Circles upon circles. So. . circles. I don't know. PAUSE That's all I get. PAUSE #66: All right. When you feel you're ready, I'd like you to draw the impression you have of the layout ofthis building. . . and the objects there. #1: You could draw a month from this place. Very fine target. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000100030001-8 io. H