. Approved For Release 2000/08 +04 +07 #19.53 #435: #1953 #4353 #19.5: >P96-00788R000200200001-8 I see a rather peculiar form of read pattern on the ground. It looks like a pattern of .... curves off of curves. Sort of like all road inter- sections are a Y. Y shaped intersections. PAUSE And, . . .« feel like I'm on fairly high ground. PAUSE I still got an impression that this complex is very large. And this particular building's only a. . » small part of it. PAUSE I see what apparently is a small airstrip of some sort. .°. off to the side. I said its small. Its either small or the angle I'm looking at it is. . some distance. But its only a... just a very simple airstrip. Like its got one, one apron and that's all. PAUSE See the same circus tent pattern that I saw last time. It appears to be some kind of radial pattern. Its radial. Like spokes on a hub. Only this time they're. . . I'm seeing it sort of from a side angle. I'm getting a. . an impression of a... Oh, I don't know, like a droop. . . . droop in the spokes. PAUSE Okay, I want you to focus your attention on the building. Tell me how that you get inside this building. Focus your attention on this building. Tell me how you would get inside it. There's... avery, very simple door. Its. . nothing to it really. Its dark, sort of a dark gray on a light colored background. A white or an off- color white background. Its kind of down on the side of the building. That's the entry door. Okay, go through the entry door and tell me what you see. PAUSE Black. Its a... I get a sensation like I... I pass through a screen of some sort when I went the through door. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000200200001-8 2 i ah i i
. Approved For Release 2000/0é 1. WIARDP96-00788R000200200001-8 #19.5: There's a. ..a.... like a... I want to say its a blackout curtain but that's not what it is. Its... like a curtain for light, keep light out. Its darker in the building. Sunlight is very bright here. The impression of very bright, warm sun. There's .. . just a straight hallway that goes to a 1 intersecting hallway. #43453 Okay, go to that T intersection. Go to the T intersection and tell me what you see. PAUSE #19.5: On the left section... there's . . short hallway that goes to the left again. The right section. . of the T, there's a... appears to be a...s-s a door at the end. I kind of lose the right section for some reason. I think there's . . . maybe a set of swinging doors or something in the middle of a corridor and then there's another set of doors at the end of the corridor. I don't know what that is. It _ looks like. . looks like you go through swinging doors or something. . as you go down the corridor. #435: I want you to move around in here. Move around inside the building and tell me what you feel about this building or what the function of this building is. Move around so you get a feel for the building. Take your time. PAUSE +12 #19.5:. I get a... itsa.. . doesn't make sense. Its like Q@.ee- @e.s » its built alot like a tracking type center that I was in once. Or, it has a flavor of collection, like . . its not a SIGINT collection, its a. . more of a.. Oh... . like a Downlink collection site. I would call it like a Downlink collection site from the... (not audible) type. #43.5: Tell me what you... . okay. Tell me what made you say that. Why do you feel that way? PAUSE #1953 I get a sensation that everything here is pointed up. I don't know that . . Let me break that down. PAUSE I get an impression that... that like everything is. . . the interest lies within an angular... . Approved For Release 206040840 fur GiA ARDPQ6200738R000200260001-8
- Approved For Release 2000/0 Ore is #195: “#4353 #19253 #43,5: #1953 $3.5: #1953 #4353 DP96-00788R000200200001-8 Like a sort of an Ionispheric early warning system of some sort. Like you would look at a horizon but the very high part of the horizon. The angle would be like 20/22 degrees off of perpendicular to a flat surface on the earth. Looking North. Not quite North. i'd say North/Northeast. For some reason, it just. . . « Oh shit, pardon me. Relax. PAUSE I see . . I see this pattern like running down the globe from a very high altitude and its . .. the pattern is very much like the . . what used to be the old Eastern test range type. . pattern. . when Canaveral was still . . was way back launching rockets. The old Van Guards and things and... Um hm. Only this isn't part . . This isn't part of the old Eastern test range, but its looking into the Eastern test range area. I don't ..Idon't.. understand that. Its like diagonally off the.... the. . the grid. . the pattern. Its like a... peri- phial collector of some sort. Okay. Relax. Relax. Don't try to figure everything out. Don't worry about that. All right. As you moved around, did you see any personnel in the area? Yeah. There's ...a. .. military and there's para-military. Paramilitary are wearing what appear to be khaki uniforms but they're not complete. I get a feeling that they might be . . civilians that are military associated. Wearing white lab coats. Strong. . . I'm getting a strong impression. Let me think about it a minute here. PAUSE There's . . . There's computer type people here. But I don't . . I don't sense a very sophisticated computer effort. Its like first generation or some- thing. Its not like ours. Its not as sophisticated. Its what I call a number, number cruncher. Lot of - . I'm just getting a feel for a lot of open/shut type arm mechanical gates. Okay. What's the role of the military people that are there? Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000200200001-8 4 ane oe
. Approved For Release 2000/@06% : 7 as , a pr 96-00788R000200200001-8 #19.5: #43.53 +20 #19.5: #435: #1925: #4353 #195: #43253 #1965: $43.5: Political. I don't know why I said that, but it's political. That's...I guess first word ‘association to the question. Net something to do with politics Trade-off of some sort. Cover. I. think the military are...the military are there for another reason but ...this facility operates under that cover. Ok. Is there anything else that attracts your attention inside this building? PAUSE There's a shielded room, Some kind of a shielded room in the building. I see gray, gray metallic walls. I get a strong impression of power output. But, it's not electrical power output. It's ... gsomeother frequency that requires shielding. 1 don't know what it is.It's a grid shielding. Like cross-hatch wiring, across that” cabling or something . Ok. I want you to move outside the building now. Move outside the building...move a short distance away from the building and turn around and look back at the building, and tell me how you feel about the size of this building. Trying to...scale it against the fence. Getting impression of...perhaps 220 feet log by maybe 80 feet wide. Fairly large but not anything excessive, really. How tall is this building? Taller inside than outside. One story outside... story and a half inside. Ok. One last thing #19.5. I want you to change your perspective. I want you to change your perspective. Go up in the air 500 feet and look down at this area and tell me how it looks from that perspective. Cluttered. Get the impression I'm in a city. Ok. Looking down from 500 feet...maintain that perspective I want you to look away from this building over to the east about 200 meters, and tell me what you see. PAUSE Approved For Release roemeares <= 5) 6 ahaa lca
Approved For Release 2000/08/0 #19253 #4353 #195: #4353 #19.53 #4353 #19253 Approved For Release 2000/08/0 6-00788R000200200001-8 Some kind of...like some kind of storage. tanks. Not...not your big oil storage or anything, but .»esmaller tanks. Get a feeling that there is... if I got too far east I'll be in the water. Weird feeling. Tanks look like they're laying on their sides in a row and they're inside frame squares. It's like if you drew a square around them. , Ok. Is there any thing else you would like to add #195? There's...1 think this is either on the edge or inside the edge of a city. It's extremely cluttered. I'm just overwhelmed with all the things that are around the building. There's just roof tops and exhaust vents and, and...tower type chimneys. and smoke coming from forms of industrial type buildings, I guess. Uh...roads, parked vehicles. Just a conglomerate of things. Poles, wires. I just get that impression. Ok. I have no further questions #19.5. Is there anything else you want to say? No. Ok. I want you to relax now. Relax. We'll have the analyst come on in if he wants to, and we'll go over this and make some drawings. Ok? I'11 put this thing on hold for now. Ok #19.5. Why don't you go ahead and start off with number 1, there. Ok. On page 1. I feel...the shape of the building I feel like it's changed a little bit. At least I get the impression it has to me. Maybe I'm getting a clear picture what the building looks like. So on page 1, 1'1l do the building again, and there's... there's a difference in the...what I called fencing before...I got a different impression for what I called fencing before. It was really a strange change. Maybe it's just a gestaltic change in the building, and I got the impression that the...the door was like here. That's not really the scale, I don't think, but that's the general impression of the way the building changed. Back here where the arrow is...1 had drawn fence. So I'il call it old ‘fence location. I'11 show you on dotted likes what appears to be now, to me, is this kind of design. This being ground. Sort of like a...a gate standing P96-00788R000200200001-8