#10.53 Anyway I had the feeling that this: thing protruded up from the top of the building somewhere where the arrow insert ~ some protrusion to right. . on roof. Like a little . . . What do I want to call it. Like a little... I don't know. Tower of some kind. All right, Five. But nowhere else did I see it. I just remembered as having seen it. Felt it, more Felt it, perceived it than anything. Okay. Then I figured well, you know, its time to qo in I can always go back outside and see whd it looks like outside. So in reality. . . Sketch #4 is a little bit out of sequence for the session. It occurred later on. The next feeling was ..... "as though I. was looking at him through vertical lines. sort of at an angle, okay. And there was. . . I hada feeling at first, when I first saw him he was standing here in front of the rods, these vertical lines. And about the time that I recognized that I had a ney scene and that I was looking at something else . . it was like he just sort of walked over here into a chair on the other side of the . . table sort of and just sort of like frustrated, pouting, just sort of threw himself down in the chair, you know, like... sort of like a very Frustrated type feeling. [ have him with a beard. You know, sort of sitting. Sort of splayed. And then at anotherpoint in time I thought that he might even have been reading a book. Sort of sitting. . . This is a table top. And when I went into the room where he was, I went into the room, this is sort of-like a slouch chair. . like. . Bla Bla Bla It has arms on it. And he's sort of dressed in shirt ‘sleeves. Bearded man. Stands at .. bars. I'11 put bars in quotation marks. Bars. Then, .. . walks over « « walks.ta chair and slumps into it. Okay. This is a table top. Thats only like 30 - 30 inches. ALL right. I went into what I would call the cell. Went into the cell. Looking back out it was more like this. Here is another view. There ig guy all right.. sitting in this chair which was a-padded type of arrangement. Here's this round thing. And here in the foreground there is something very big protruding. out from the wall. Okay. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : GIA-RISP96-00788R002100090001-0 boat "elites wi a , st 4
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 > é1A-RDP96-00788 002100090001-0 #10653 #14: #10.5: And. . « The corner goes just about like that. Like that, there we go. Okay and then this is eo eo oe “the barred feeling here. All right, I'm going to take this apportunity here to . turn the tape over at this time. Okay. TURN OVER TAPE #14; #10.5: #14: #5: Continuing on Side B. PAUSE Okay, ao I moved in for a little bit-of a closer shot.: Of what the situation had here. . . Into. . I was trying -to get in close because I wanted to communicate. And I had this type of a feeling looking towards the back of the room. Over his ° a » sort of a shoulder, I still had this feeling . . you know, its very similar toe other sessions I've had. I'd say the guy was... . in... ina sort of a long longish. . . window there and here in the background, which is this thing here protruding from the . wall, is something like that and I perceived that there might be another one down here. Like that. Okay and here's the corner of the room Like that. Get rid of that. That's not a bad sketch is it? No. And then here ig the table top, like sort of in under his arm or right here in the foreground oKay. That's the chair. . handle of a chair there okay. That's. . hia feet sticking down there like that. Okay and then here in the foreground would be . . okay, getting a close look right in. through the bars, would be the bars coming down. I'm not going to put them in though... Okay, anyway, this is maybe two bunks on the left. . . some sort of a weird box in the back of the room that makes the room have three. . . makes the back wall have three angles to it instead of one straight across. And then the window. Okay, and that's where I went out. X% on Number 7 marks the spat where I went out in order to get Sketch 6. Okay. ; sketch 6, I'm sarry, Sketch 4. I said 6, I meant 4. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100090001-0..
#10.5: Okay. Ahh... . . I tried. . . I got right in back behind his head and I sort of nestled up on his shoulder and I really tried to communicate with the guy and the feelings that, I got were feelings of sort of like . . ..through up your hands in sort of satirical frustration. And when I said the things that I said at that moment. . . on the tape, they were like his feelings. I wasn't trying to say well ‘like this is ridiculous. I was saying, he was feeling this is ridiculous. Only if they could see me nov. “You know. . « all. . That's all I'd need is for them to take a look at me now. You know. Sort of like. . Here I am locked up in this place and nothings happening and everything's just all - you know, . +. I mean high spirit bitching.. You know. The troops always bitch type of a situation and that's all that I dectected that it was it was not any real gut rending morasity or despair so much as it was. . you know, so much as it was .. like he was griping in order to get his spirits up. You know, just sort of blowing off steam, sort of hap-hazardly. Qkay. And the names that I had. . . came when I was focused in here in the area of him. I'm not saying that he's bald either. Okay. The names. . whatever the hell the names were. One Johnson... i... 1. . think it was Johnson I said. Anyway the first name that I. said IF sort of said no, you're just thinking that and then the next e » 1 went on and I was in here and around and then I was trying ta say How are you and I wasn't getting . anything . . .» and everything. You have to help me, help me find how you are and all these things and I. was trying to lay these things on maybe a subconscious or whatever. And, I just sort of got this qood- natured pain in the ass attitude. And then the name- -~ out of nowhere, the name Johnson came back to me again, But I did not see anyone else in the room. But the name Johnson came back to me again. And then, I was asking who else is around here. Who else “is around here and I went out of the room and I started going up and down the hall. Sort of rapidly but. I wasn't getting any imagery. I knew there was a hall outside but I was using that as sort of an accelerator to try to intensify my focus and... . there's a hall somewhere down there that I think is toward the big end of the build- ing. Towards the other end of the building. The hall would be that way. He's out here and here's the notch and that's him and then there's the hallway. I was like going this way down the hall which would be... ... Sketch 8. All I get was a feeling of ai. es 6 2 &
( Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R002100090001- #10.5% #1Ss #10.53. #14: #10.5: #143 #10.5: #14: #10.53 #i4ds #10252 | Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96 @gagge an insert door, you kriow. And then here is like his block starts. His block starts here or whatever.. His room starte here. But I. . This was. - This almost felt like it was blank wall down here... 'Cause I was going up and down the hall and I couldn't find anybody else. Not saying there was nobody else there and that he was alone but just I couldn't see any. And this was like blank wall. “And this is a door within a hallway insert. That's what I'm talking about there like that. - Okay and where you've drawn the vertical lines its... Yeah and this is ...aa. . What was the guy's name? Ahern. Ahern. Ahern. Ahern's room or cell. So I was getting nothing at that point ~ nothing nev. You know, mo other names and I came back in and then I forget what I said, thorndon or something like that. Thorton Thorton , . » Thordon. I forget what I said. I came back in and then I nestled up behind him again and I tried it one more time and that’s when I got the word, the name, I think a name, Thorndon or Thorton. Whatever. Anything I missed? Let me run through my notes real quick. PAUSE No. Did you... Did you have a feeling for where this building was located? Well. ... + » I sort of presumed it was off the compound. / Okay. That was the only feeling I-had. It was something else. Its not a. . . building that I had seen asseciated with the compound. And when I got inside and I had the barred doors and the rest of it, the barred, rather the barred wall type front type situation, then it . 2. « « / you know, sort af meant to me it was the other place that ¥ we'd worked in the long past. You're saying you had somewhat of a feeling of recognition. Yeah. That's why I was sort of « . ~. I don't know what the hell is the name of the other place. The one that's off the compound where the four or five guys were kept separately, supposedly? E 8
a Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788RO00 100090001-0 #10.5: We found them all before, long since worked it. ... I haven't worked it in like 3 months I guess, but #las All right, I have no further questions. End of session. )HS6-80768R002100090001-0