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#01:
Uh
have
a man
that's,
uh...uh,
feet,
inches....
thinning,
uh...his hair's getting
thin,
but you can't see
through his hair yet...
Hair color
is
very dark brown,
very
light shade of reddish.
. .color .. .maybe just
the way
the light
hits
it.
.
.
I get a... slightly darker
skin
than normal... be
a shade
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darker
than average.
. .age,
uh...48
to
probably closer
to 48.,..
Not wearin'
a
tie,
I'm getting
a. ..light gray
color,
a light gray pullover sweater and
a open color shirt
with
a light color,
tan....
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I don't,
uh,
I- don't see any mustache,
but
I sense one...
could be he's removed
it or... just thinking of growing
one...
Holding your attention
on
tell me
the
setting
in which you perceive
this individual....
SG1A
He's
cornin'
out of
a park.
. .walkin
'
across
the,
like
a stone
covered area... block square with stones...
Uh,
crossing
the
street,
fairly wide,
four lanes...
Walking,
uh,
on the side
of
the street against traffic....
There's
a little yellow building
on his left... see columns,
like false columns....
Kind of building
you
see with lions
in front of
it ... .walking
somewhere...
He's not carrying
anything... a light gray suit without
a
tie..
Got silver
on his left arm,
some kind of decorative bracelet.
I
don't
see
a watch,
but he's wearing something made of silver
on
his left arm.
.
.
G etting
a scar as well.
Small
scar,
extreme high
side
of high
face,
almost like
a,
uh,
like
a scar from measles,
deep pock
mark type scar... on
the side of his face like parallel with
the
eye.
I
can't
tell which
side
it
is,
left
or right...
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Build,
uh,
200 pounds.... a slight bit
on
the heavy
side......
Just for seeing along
the street.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
A get
a
lip
line that's funny,
it's like his. ..again
I
don't
know
if this
is from
a mustache
or what but his lower lip
is
fuller
than his upper
lip.
It's like
protrudes
just
a little
bit much fuller than his upper
lip.
#66:
Okay,
I'd like you
to,
uh,
freeze time
so that
his face
is
in front
of
you.
Tell me when you're
ready.
#01:
Okay.
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Now,
looking
at his face... in what area of the world would
you
find others with
a face
like that?
#01:
Just
a minute...
#66:
I
will
wait
#01:
Face
is,
uh....face
is very deceptive.
Uh... number
of places.
Just
a minute,
I'm having
trouble.
I
don't know
if
I'm
having trouble because he's... his nationality
or
if he's...
where
the nationality
can
be
found.
#66:
Okay,
urn,
remember
I have not asked you about
him specifically
I've asked you to compare what he looks
like.
#01:
I
know,
I
have
trouble.
Just give me
a minute.
#66:
You may explain
your troubles to me
if you
like...
#01:
It's like,
uh,
there's
a peculiar trait
in his nationality
that,
uh,
is not identified to world origin.
Like,
uh...
you would say...uh,
just
a minute....
Say,
uh,
section
of
the Mediterranean,
uh,
extreme east...
Could be Athens,
could
be.
. .uh.
. .could be part
of Turkey
or
North Africa.
. .that section.
#66:
Okay.
Do
I understand that you're saying
to you
he looks
like he would come from that area,
the
region
of
the world,
just by looks?
#01:
Yes,
looks,
uh,
I get
a problem with looks because
I'm getting
when
you
say looks
I'm getting,
uh,
I
don't,
I,
I can't
decide
if
I'm
seeing
him or
if
I'm sensing
him,
and when
I
sense for looks
I get... I get
feelings and language and... or
languages would
be
a better choice...
#6 6:
Okay.
#01:
I get his culture.
#66:
All right.
You're having trouble then with
saying
that
he
looks like other people
in
a certain area of the world?
#01:
Yes.
#66
:
T ell me-
#01:
I
don't
know if these other people
I
sense like him are
migratory to
that
area
or
if they're from
that. area.
#66:
Okay.
Tell me about
the setting.
I've asked you
to freeze
time here and take
a look at him
in the frozen
time situation.
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Tell me about this setting
of your freeze time frame.
Uh,
mid-stride,
white sidewalk, very wide,
perhaps three
times wider
than normal.
Large orange or gold colored build-
ing
to his rear
left.
Uh,
very warm,
sunny
day,
trees grow-
ing
from squares
in concrete,
very heavy traffic,
uh,
10:30
in
the morning maybe.
Okay.
Let's
turn back
to him now and ask him,
ask him his
country
of birth.
Ask him
to show you
a picture
of that.
Okay,
just a minute
Feel like
I
just stepped backward
in time 200 years.
Uh,..I
see very large open expanse
of
rolling green.
. .snow-
capped mountains .. .herdsmen or animals of some kind,
heavily
furred.
Tell him the picture you
ha/ e received as his answer
and ask
him to show you again from
a perspective
that
you might
recognize the country
I'm getting
a. ... .getting
more
or less the same thing,
only
I'm getting
a... very heavily stone building s.
. .rounded,
uh,
very
thick
stone and stucco exterior.
People are wearing
some form
of
a turban,
but
it's not
like
a
Indian
turban,
it's
a flatter
Okay.
Perhaps he can't help you
at this particular point.
Holding
your perspective
on the scene that he's given
you,
push the scene away from you
slowly until you're
at
an
altitude where you
can
see
Okay
Looking
at the. .. .appears to be extreme southern,
uh,
U.S.S.R.
. .somewhere near Pakistan,
very high mountains.
I don't think
it's U.S.S.R.,
though.
Behind the borders,
very isolated area...
Small country .. .backwards country.
Somehow there
' s somethin
' not right about
the,
uh.. ...
I
don'
know,
I'm havin'
trouble with this.
I
just found myself
in,
uh,
like
in Morrocco^j^^mething
.
Okay,
return
to the
what you have
seen.,
land tell him
Figures the problem
is that,
uh,
his place of origin
is not
his home.
It's not what he considers
home.
Somethin'
like
he was displaced during
the war years and has now
a new home,
new nationality...
Okay.
Yes
.
Before you brought up the subject of languages...
Is this man multi-lingual?
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Yes,
he
is.
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#66:
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to know th^^nquag^ie uses. ..in his bank dealings,
in
this account
#01:
Okay...
He speaks English... in his bank dealings,
talks
in
English...
He speaks some French,
but it's not very good...
In
terms of money
he speaks
in English.
#66:
Okay,
fine
Do you
feel
you
have
enough focus
on
this individual to move
in
time now?
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#01:
Yes.
#66:
All
right.
Let's blank
the screen
then.
Let's blank the
screen
and move
to
Sunday,
15 February
1981,
Sunday,
15 February
1981.
Locate the individual and describe his
surroundings to me.
Sunday,
15 February
1981.
#01:
I
see
a
uh,
long
narrow.
. .street ,
with,
uh,
thick rounded
stones,
very uneven. .. terminating
on new asphalt.
Houses
are very
old.
It's,
uh,
it's warm.
There's
a lot
of green.
It's like
a dry
season,
ife ry scrubby
looking
trees,
like a...
old,
uh,
look like old cypress
trees or something.
Blocky
ground.
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People are
a strange looking.
. .they
' re an Arabic people,
but
they're strange looking.
#66:
What
do
you mean
by Arabic?
#01:
They're wearing,
uh,
like these hoods over their heads.
And the,
uh, the second outer g arment ...
.
#66:
All
right,
I want
you
to explore this area now without report-
ing
so
that
you
can more intensely experience the atmosphere.
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#01:
I
' m.
. .getting
a... younger men,
heavily bearded,
wearing
light
tan camouflage type uniforms,
very heavily armed with new
guns,
the automatics,
and they're
in like
a new jeep.
I
keep asking where this is at and
I'm getting foothills,
uh,
like highland country,
higher country than the surrounding
country.
And I'm asking
one of them.
. .directions,
and he's...
he's like looking north and feeling like there's
a mountain
range there and
a valley beyond and then the Mediterranean.
And somewhere to
the left
is
a... small desert
area.
And beyond
is,
uh,
this west bank territory.
This
is
a,
like
a guerilla
operation this area for
I guess Jordan
or mountain range,
uh...
uh,
southwest Lebanon...
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Okay,
lot's put the individual we're interested
in
in
this
setting.
Describe him to me
in this setting.
I get him sitting
in
this
jeep,
lie's wearing
these.
. .camouflage
uniform.
And he has
a sidearm,
but
it
(
' s hidden like
in
a
shoulder type holster.
And he's sitting
with these three...
the
jeep,
it's
like,
uh,
just up
the road from
a form of
a
checkpoint.
A road
type checkpoint with barricades,
And,
uh,
apparently they're waiting
to enter
or waiting
to
leave some kind
of a headquarters.
. .headquarters type encamp-
ment or camp,..
I'm still not able to shake the guerilla
type feeling though...
He knows somebody
there and he's...
either just £een
'im
or he's seein'
'im.
He's got some func-
tionary
dutyj...
That's all
I'm getting.
Okay.
Is
he. one
of these?
I
don't
thinl|< he's the same nationality,
and
I don't think
he's identifiable as one of these same people but
he's,
he
has some formal connection with them.
Something semi-official.
Something
other than
just courier...
Are there
any markings
on the
jeep?
I
No,
I
don't dee any markings.
Okay.
The jeep doesn't strike me as even being camouflaged.
It's
like
just
a tan color.
#66:
Okay,
explain
for me the experience you had transcending
from
the what
I
call cobblestone road
to the paved road and now
to this
setting.
#01:
Same place,
j
I
felt
like switched positions.
Before
I was
sitting
looking
through his eyes and
I was sebing
cobblestone,
and the buildings,
and then
I
did
a switch and
I was stand-
ing
away
from him and
I was seein'
the jeep with the other
people
in
it
j.
#66:
Okay.
So
he
!'s in this setting with
he and these other people
in what
I perceive as some kind of uniform.
Is that correct?
#01:
Yeah.
Some camouflaging
.
#66:
But
on the
street
are there others around him?
#01:
Yes,
there's,
uh,
the indigenous populations there.
#66:
And
tell me how
the indigenous population's dressed.
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highly motivated politically,
and money has no bearing to
him,
no meaning to
him,
from
a personal desire
or from
a
personal greed type
feeling
he has none.
#66
:
Okay
.
#01:
That's,
uh,
I
just wanted to add
that.
#66:
Okay.
Anything
else?
#01:
Okay.
Uh,
page
I
did
a,
sort
of
a looking
down
on topo-
graphical layout.
There's
a coastline off the Mediterranean
Sea,
and these are like
borders down here.
4166:
Okay.
Now just
for
the purpose of the transcript
let
me
introduce this
a little bit.
This
is after we moved
in time
and
I asked you to locate our subject
in,
uh,
15 February
1981,
little bit
in the future here.
#01:
Right.
I wrote
a scale
in
here,
75 miles.
The,
uh,
page
is oriented approximately due north straight
up and down the
page.
There's the city
here,
and there's some hills that
are kinda south
of the,
southwest
of the city and
flat lands.
And he's about
35 miles inland ever this range of mountains
up on this plateau.
And,
you
know,
I
just get
a feeling like
I'm back away
from,
looking
down on Lebanon
or
something.
Uh,
you asked for
a drawing
on the same date,
15 February.
And page
2,
this
is sorta his view from where he's
at,
he's
like up
on the side of the small hill
looking
down
a cobble-
stone,
cobblestone road.
And there's
a
lot
of old houses
to the left
in the village,
one of these very old villages,
mountain villages spread out
in front of him.
An armored
gun parked over
on
side of some of the buildings and
a
checkpoint
at
the base
of the road.
There's
a modern black-
top going
straight through this village.
And
in the back-
ground off
in the hazy distance there
is these mountains
fading
in the hills,
and then
an absolutely
flat, green
horizon with some like smoke on
the horizon.
Which may be
clouds
or something.
It's
a very scenic view.
It's like,
uh...you
know,
it's
very g reen.
#66:
Okay.
Now,
uh,
is there anything
else you wanna add there?
#01:
No,
that's
it.
And the picture whenever we g et
to
'em.
4166:
Okay.
Urn,
I wanted to ask you about this name
thing
.
Tell
me about
the,
I wanted
to be able to find this guy again.
Want
to be able to have you
find him again,
so
I thought
if
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a name from him that you could call him by to
find him again.
#01:
Yeah,
uh,
the name
that
I got that came to mind
I can't
pronounce.
And
I
know that sounds
a little weird,
but
it
was
like... it
was like
a real slurred "Chris".
And so Chris
would be an easy way
for me to identify.
You
know,
it's like
Chris
is okay
'cause everybody makes that mistake when they
call him by this name or whatever.
#66 :
Okay
.
#01:
But it's pronounced differently.
I don't know how to
explain
that.
#66:
Okay.
Anything
else?
#01:
No,
that 's all.
#66:
Okay, good.
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