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This will
be
a
CENTER
LANE
Interview
for
0900
hours
April
1984.
This
is
the
pre-session
briefing.
Okay,
I
have
some
pictures
to
show
you
here.
First
of
all,
this
is
a,
the
work
this
morning
is
an
event
style
senario.
I
know
what
the
inside
of
this
building
looks
like
and
so
forth
and
so
on.
So
the
problem
isn't
for
you
to
describe
the
inside,
although
I
may
ask
you
a
few
things
so
we
can
orient.
The
problem
is
an
event
style
senario.
And
by
that,
I
mean
that
it's
like
a
jigsaw puzzle
of
events.
Okay
.
There
are
some
events
that
we
know
about
and
so
I
will
be
able
to
understand
when
you're
talking
to
me
about
certain
things,
but
there
are
some
other
possible
events
that
we
don't
know
about
and
we
need
to
check
on,
so
it's
an
event
style
senario.
To
that
effect,
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
very
specific,
in
terms
of
hours
and
date
and
you
will
be
targeting
on
the
building
in
the
photograph
at
that
specific
hour
and
time.
Because
we
don't
want
the
events
of
1947
or
we
don't
want
the
events
of
the
year
2000,
we
want
the
events
of
that
specific
hour
.
Um,
um
Now,
if
you'll
look
at
this
photograph,
I
have
arranged
it
so
that
that
is
the
front
of
the
building
and
when
you
turn
the
page
over
you
see
the
back
of
the
building.
That
is
the
back
of
the
building.
Yes.
Okay
.
Okay.
Now
I
want
to
point
out
to
you,
as
you
look
at
it,
that
the
building
has
an
attic
to
it
and
than
the
floor
below
the
attic
where
the
top
most,
what
we would
call
the
occuppied
floor,
is
the
10th
floor
.
That's
this
floor.
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Um,
urn
.
10,
the
attic
and
than
the
10th
floor,
and
than
9,
8,
7,
and
on
down,
rather
than
trying
to
count
from
the
bottom.
The
top
is
the
attic
and
than
the
first
occuppied
floor
is
10.
Okay?
Urn
,
um
The
main
entrance
is
about
in
the
middle
of
that
building
there
.
Um
,
um
The
back
of
course
is
Okay
.
Okay.
So
we’re
looking
at
that
building
and
I
will
give
you
a
very
specific
time
and
hour.
Okay?
Okay
.
You
may
hold
on
to
that
picture.
And
we're
going
to
put
the
tape
recorder
on
pause
for
a
moment.
Continue
now
to
relax
and
concentrate
and
as
you
are
deeper
and
deeper
relaxed,
begin
to
focus
your
attention,
mind
your
awareness
on
the
building
in
the
photograph
I've
shown
you,
focusing
your
attention
solely
and
completely,
the
hours
of
midnight
to
3:00
in
the
morning,
March
1984,
at
the
building,
midnight
to
3:00
in
the
morning
on
March
1984
and
describe
your
perceptions
to
me.
I
don't
see
much
activity
at
this,
see
a
few
people,
somebody
cleaning
carpets,
most
push vacuum
cleaners
Focus
solely
on midnight
to
3:00,
midnight
to
3:00.
Someone
with
a
ah... walking
with
a
white
oblong
object
under
their
arm, ....in
a
hallway
He's
kneeling
down
on
their
right
knee
looking
or
peering
through
a
glass
like
peering
into
a
reflective
surface.
Say
again
Like
peering
into
a
reflective
surface,...
square
or
screen
of
some
kind.
The
right
hand
is
on
it
and
they're
just
kind
of
peeking
at
something
or
doing
something
with
the
right
hand.
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The
reflections
like
ah
.
.
. back
lights,
ah
looks
like
small
spot
lights
over
the
shoulder
.
#66:
Okay,
if
I
understand
what
you
said
correctly,
you
have
a
person walking
down
the
hallway
carrying
an
oblong
object
and
he
stops
and
kneels
down
and
looks
at
something
that
#01:
--Different,
different
person.
#66:
You’re
now
on
to
a
different
person.
#01:
Ah. .let
me
start
over.
#66:
All
right.
#01:
Got, someone
cleaning,
got
someone
walking
in
a
hall
with
a
white
oblong
rectangular
object
under
their
arm,
right
arm.
They're
passing
ah. ..doors
recessed
in woodwork
on
left
side.
Having
another
person
in
a
room kneeling
in
front
of
a
rectangular
object
of
metal,
plastic,
reflective
surface.
#66:
All
right.
This
is
the
third
person?
#01:
Yes.
Peering
into
a
screen
or
a
glass
or
something,
right
hand
is
on
the
object,
sensation
of
back
lights,
like
spots
in
ceiling
or
over
his
shoulder.
Specific
room
has
got
ah
shelves
with. ..neatly
stacked
paper
cardboard
or
something
Ah.. get
an
impression
this
machine
is
decorative,
but
not
decorative
#66:
Okay,
I
need
to
slow
down
a
minute
and
get
some
particulars.
Let's
go
back
to
the
person
number
2,
where
the
person walking
in
the
hallway.
#01:
Okay
.
#66:
Describe
this
person,
their
dress
and
so
forth.
#01:
Wearing
a
charcoal
gray
suit,
no
tie,
recently
removed
the
tie,
in
any
event,
ah., has
a
coat,
beige
color
coat
over
left
arm.
Ah
.
.
.
. cauca s ian
,
mustache,
5'
7".
#66:
Okay.
Now
let's
move
to
the
third
person,
the
person
who
looks
into
the
reflective
surface.
Describe
him
to
me.
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,
years
of
age,
.
. ah
.
. wr inkly
eyes,
like
around
the
outside
edges.
Ah.., clean
shaven,
black
hair
or
very
dark
brown,
probably
dark
brown
or
mixed,
ah. ..hair's
full,
covers
the
edges
of
the
ears,...
heavy,
heavier
than
normal,
heavy
set.
He
' s
dressed ?
Ah. ...see
a
light
jacket
over
ah. .off
colored
shirt,
dark
pants.
Okay.
Now,
let's
do
some
movement
exercises
in
time,
so
we
get
a
very
specific
focus
here.
Okay,
thinking
now
about
person
number
walking
down
a
hall,
and
person number
looking
into
some
sort
of
panel
and
lighting
and
so
forth,
I
want
the
time
window
just
before
this,
let's
see
if
there's
anybody
else,
the
time window
just
before
this.
Get
an
impression
of
someone
dressed
very
well,
just
see
ah. .someone
coming
in
a
different
kind
of
entrance,
it's
like
walking
down
instead
of
up,
coming
down
a
hall,
not
removing
his
overcoat,
leaning
to
the
right
into
a
doorway,
ah .. elevator
,
door
opens
right
to
left,
the
outside.
Goes
to. ..eighth
or
ninth
floor
Puts
a
key
into
a metal
door
of
some
kind.
Goes
in
and
makes
left
into
another
room,
turns
overhead
lights
on,
pulling
down
on
a
handle
or
something
and
he
apparently
is
putting
something
in
his
desk,
taking
something
else
And
he
leaves
the
same
way
he
came
in,
. .very
quick,
very
direct.
Okay,
if
I
understand
what
you
said
now,
a
man,
first
of
all
you
said
somebody
very
well
dressed,
then
you
talked
about
a
man
that
doesn't
take
off
his
overcoat,
is
this
the
same
person.
All
the
same
person.
All
right.
Now,
I
want
you
to
describe
to
me,
again,
this
person
comes
in
somehow
through
an
e leva tor—
N o
,
he
comes
in
through
a
different
door
from
the
entry
.
A
different
door
than
the
entry.
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It
T s
like
a
side
door
that
goes
down
the
steps
instead
up
the
steps.
All
right
and
then what
happens?
Then
he
comes,
and
then
I
see
him
in
the
hall,
going
down
a
side
hall.
We
kind
of
jump
a
little
bit
and
your
next
impression
is
in
a
hall,
all
right,
go
on.
And
I
move
behind
him
to
follow
him
and
he
makes
a
right
which
is,
if
he
had
come
in
the
front
entrance
it
would
be
somewhere
to
the
right
of
the
front
entrance.
There's
a
hall,
he’s
in
the
hall,
before
he
gets
to
the
front
entrance,
he
leans
right
to
enter
an
elevator
that
opens
from
the
right
to
the
left
to
the
outside.
He
enters
the
elevator
and
goes
to
the
eighth
or
ninth
floor,
the
eighth
floor.
I
next
see
him
entering
a
short
hall,
inserting
a
key
in
a
metal
door,
making
a
left
as
he
enters
that
door,
to
an
office
or
something
on
the
left
and
turns
overhead
lights
on.
Ah., goes
diagonally
across
that
room.
Okay,
stop.
Describe
the
room.
..See
tables
of
some
kind,
higher
than
normal,
see
desk,
or
not
a
desk,
but
a
lower,
lower
table,
see
ah.. some
kind
of
equipment
to
the
left,
on
the
table.
See .... s tacks
of
something,
like
shelves
stacks
on
table
to
right.
Keep
getting
an
impression
of
shelving
or
something.
First
inclination
is
to
put
equipment
on
it
but
I
can't.
It's
like
stacks
of
something,
paper.
Ah
It's
very
cluttered
room,
see
a
map,
...Is
impression
it's
not
a
normally
cluttered
room,
but
at
this
time
it's
a
cluttered
room.
Okay,
now
tell
me
more
about
this—
--Like
there's
things
left
out,
things
unrolled,
things... specifically
set
and
laid
around
and
then
what
appears
to
be
disorderly,
but
it's
really
an
orderly
fashion,
research
type
fashion.
If
I
worked
there,
I
would
know where
to
go
in
the
room
to
find what
I
wanted,
but
if
it
was
you,
like
you're
observing
it
now,
it
looks
cluttered?
Is
that
a
correct
analogy?
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#01:
Um,
yes
and
no.
Yes
in
that
regard
but
additionally
it's
like
room
use
is
modified
because
of
temporary
occupancy with
other
people.
#66:
Okay,
there's
a
flavor
of
something--
#01:
Overlaid,
over,
yes.
#66:
All
right.
Now
I
want
you
to
regain
your
focus
and
concentration
and
return
to
this
individual^
and
tell
me
more
about
what
he
does
as
he
enters
this
room.
#01:
Just
a minute.
#66:
Yes,
take
a moment
to
regain
your
concentration.
#01:
He
just
goes
straight
diagonally
across
the
room
to
a...
high
level
safe
or
cabinet,
I
don't
think
it's
a
safe
because
he
just
clips
the
handle
down
in
a
fashion
that
it
opens.
And. .takes
something
from his
pocket
and
puts
it
in.
#66:
Okay,
stop.
Focus
on
the
object.
#01:
It
just
looks
like
a
ah. ...it's
like
the
size
of
a
book
of
matches,
it
looks
like
a
book
of
matches,
it
looks
soft,
black,
there's
paper
there
though
too,
I
see
paper.
#66:
Paper
where?
#01:
In
his
hand,
it's
like
wrapped
around
it,
it
has
something
to
do with
paper.
#66:
Okay.
You
used
some
conditional
words,
like
it's
like
this
and
it's
like
that,
let's
go
back
again
and
see
if
we
can't
get
down
to
the
raw
data,
the
raw
perceptions
of
the
elements
of
this
thing.
It
might
not
make
any
sense,
but
maybe
we
can
figure
it
out
later.
#01:
Okay,
just
a
minute
Paper
folded,
soft,
black
plastic,
soft,
smooth,
no
corners,
object
size
of
a
book
of
matches,
um
thin
copper
wire
on
left
corner
of
a
drawer
that's
all
I
get.
#66:
Okay.
Now,
refocus
on
the
individual
and
follow
his
activities.
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#01:
He
leaves
..the
same
way
he
came
in
#66:
Okay.
#01:
Very
direct,
very
quick.
#66:
All
right,
now
I
have
a,
I
want
to
move
in
time
to
a
specific
area
in
the
building
and
specific
time
to
do
some verifications.
#01:
Urn
,
um
#66:
Okay,
at
1215
hours,
that
minutes
after
midnight,
on
the
9th
floor,
scan
the
9th
floor,
at
minutes
after
midnight,
March
84.
#01:
Just
get
an
impression
of
a
meeting
room
with
2,
people.
....It’s
like
they
1 re
closing
things
up
or
closing
things
in
their
hands,
snapping
shut
briefcases.
#66:
Okay
#01:
Putting
on
coats.
#66:
Let's
go
to
a
little
different
time
window
then,
let’s
go
to
before
midnight,
o’clock
on
the
evening
previous
day,
9th
floor
scan.
#01:
Just
see
a
person
coming
out
of
a
room
and
going
down
a
hall
and
going
into
another
room.
#66:
Describe
him.
#01:
Ah,
brown
hair,
sandy
color
hair,
very
light
brown,
close
to
feet,
ah, .standard
build,
standard
weight,
ah .. expensive
watch,
ah. ..41,
years
of
age,
ah. .square
j aw
,
.
.
.
. s leeve s
rolled,
long
sleeve
shirt,
sleeves
rolled
up,
with
his
tie,
no
jacket,
light
brown
pants,
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Okay
.
#01:
Now
he
goes
into
the
room
to
talk
to
or
a
bigger
guy,
mmm .. approximately
the
same
age,
maybe
a
little
older,
heavy,
very
he avy
,
.
.
.
. ah
,
shorter,
some
gray.. in
his
hair,
slightly
darker
hair
Apparently
they’re,
they’re
working
late,
late
on
something
important.
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#66:
Okay.
I
want
to
change
your
focus
now.
My
information
says
that,
let’s
say
previous
to
midnight
in
the
very
late
hours
of
the
night
that
there
should
be,
to
my
best
information,
is
that
was
only
one
person
on
the
9th
floor
which
should
have
been
a marine
guard,
but
that,
so
I
don’t
know
whether
or
not
my
information
is
bad
or
whether
we’re
having
trouble
focusing
in
a
specific
time,
Because
later
in
the
evening
other
people
did
come
into
the
area,
okay.
#01:
.
. Mmmm
,
this
ah., is
before
the
15th,
this
is
maybe
earlier
than
that.
#66:
Okay.
So
on
the
15th,
between
the
hours
of
midnight
and
o’clock,
you
talked
about
some
very
interesting
things
going
on,
but
aside'
from
all
that,
there
was
an
occurrence,
an
event,
something
happened
that
caused
these
other
people
to
come
in,
focus
on
the
very
night,
midnight
to
in
the
morning
on
the
15th
of
March.
See
if
you
can
tell
us
what
it
is
that
happened
to
cause
these
other
people
to
come
in.
#01:
I
see
ah..,
see
somebody
taking
a... box
off
a
table...
and
ah,. clipping
wires
in
the
back.. to
do
that.
It’s
got
sides,
it’s
got
handles
in
the
front.
And
they’re
ah.,
taking
it.
But
I
don’t
them
getting
caught
or
anything,
I
just
see
them
taking
Now
I
see
it
being
discovered
missing,
cause
a
door
not
supposed
to
be
opened,
is
opened.
....I
see
it’s
being
removed
from
a
ah.. like
a
communications
area,
this
box
.
#66:
Okay,
are
you
saying
that
during
this
time,
something
was
removed?
#01:
Being
stolen,
yes.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
But
I
don’t
see
any
discovery
of
a
person,
I
just
see
the
discovery
of
the missing
object.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
You
know,
I
don’t
see
any
alert
action,
I
don’t
see
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:
# 01
:
# 66
:
# 01
:
#66
:
# 01
:
#66
:
# 01
:
#66
:
anybody
running
around
chasing
people,
I
just
see
someone
opening
an
door
and,
or
finding
a
door
a
ajar
and
looking
and
seeing
something
missing
that
should
be
there.
Okay
.
In response
to
that
is
everyone
coming.
Okay,
I
have
no
further
questions.
I
would
like
now
to
give
you
just
a
few minutes
of
free
time
to
explore
beyond
the
confines
of
my
questions
and
see
if
there
is
anything
else
that
we
need.
Kind
of
left
with
an
impression
of. ..ah. ..this
object
or
this. ..piece
of
object
that
was
stolen
has
got
something
to
do
with
something
else
that
1 s
already
been
stolen,
and
I
don’t
understand
how
to
put
that
together.
...Like
part
of
a
system
of
some thing ,... ah ... neces sary
to
steal
this
in
order
to
....understand
or
use
what
was
stolen
before.
.....I
don’t
know,
I
don't
know
why
I
say
that,
it's
just
like
seems
to
be
the
apparent motive.
Okay,
we
started
out
by
looking
at
some
particular
activities
during
this
period
of
time.
And
you
talked
about
some
people
coming
in
and
doing
this
and
people
walking
down
the
hall
and
looking
around
and
so
forth
and
so
on
and
people
coming
in
and
going
and
so
forth.
And
then
I
asked
you
later
to
look,
particularly,
that
there
was
something
that
happened
here,
something
of
significance
that
happened
and
ask
you
to
explore
the
idea
of
something
of
significance
happened.
And
if
I
understand
what
you
reported
to
me
is
that
you
say,
someone
stole
something
that
had
wires
clipped
to
s ome thing
.
Urn
,
um
.
And
you've
now
gone
on
to
say
that
it
was
important
that
they
steal
this
because
of
what,
what
was
your
other?
Because
it's,
it's...
necessary
to
have
this
part
or
piece
to
understand
of
a
primary
theft
that's
occurred
somewhere
else
or
earlier.
Okay
and
you
yourself
don't
quite
understand--
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#01:
I
don't,
it's
just,
it's
like
the
only
reason
for
this
theft
is
the
support
of
previous
theft
of
something
far
more
valuable
or
important.
I,
I
don't
understand,
I
keep
getting
very
sophisticated
electronic
boxes
keep
jumping
in
my
mind,
but
I,
they're
not
things
related
to
what
we're
working
on,
they're
things
related
to
a previous
theft.
#66:
All
right.
Now
#01:
I
don't
understand
that.
#66:
Okay.
It's
necessary
now
to
focus
on
this
object,
this
thing
that
you
perceive
as
being
stolen
from
here.
Tell
me
about
that
specific
thing
that
you
believe
is
stolen
from
here.
#01:
It's
black
and
it's
plastic,
it
has
many,
many
holes
in
it,
has
adjustable
or
sliding
pins
that
stick
through
it,
sounds
like
a
ah... some
kind
a.. it's
the
paper
seal
or
paper
slide
or
something
on
one
side.
Ah...
Key,
some
kind
of
keyhole,
keylock
or
it's
a
special
kind
of
insert
for
screwdriver,
tool
or
something,
I
keep
getting
like
a. ..custom
kind
of
tool. ..that
you
stick
into
it
now
and
then
for
some
reason
and
wires,
get
a
bunch
of
wires,
I
don't
know
what
they
mean,
they
1 re
just
wires,
spaghetti.
#66:
Okay
.
about
I
believe
you
said
before
clips
or
something?
that
,
s ome thing
#01
Yeah,
there’s
ah. ..unspecified
clips
,
,
.
. I
see
something
being
cut
in
order
get
this.
And
now
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
the wires
or
it's
a
piece
of
metal
on
the
side
or
something.
Something
had
to
be
cut
to
take
this
.
#66:
Okay.
Now
beyond
the
physical
description
of
what
it's
made
of
and
the
pieces
and
things
that
it's
made
of.
Go
beyond
this
description
and
tell
me
what
the
function
does.
#01:
Wait
just
a
minute
It's
ah... it
per,.. it
performs
an
interface
function
that
serially
encodes
or
translates
something.
Get
a
picture
of
a
stream
of
something,
some
information
or
data.
I
see
it
being
reassembled
or
deas sembled
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#66:
All
right.
Now
when
you
first
told
me
about
this
device,
you
told
that
there
was
something,
wires
were
clipped
and
someone
stole
this.
#01:
That
’ s
correct.
366:
Okay.
I
want
you
to
address
a
very
particular
question
and
be
very
careful
not
to
let
me
suggest
anything
to
you.
And
if
you
can't
deal
with
it
because
it
f s
suggestions,
then
let
me
know.
This
object
that
you
perceive
as
being
stolen
from
this
room,
does
it
belong
in
this
room,
is
it
really
part
of
everything
that
’ s
there?
#01:
No,
it's
ah. .doesn't
belong
there
normally.
It's
applied
to
the
stuff
there,
af t erwar ds
#66:
All
right,
now
tell
me
the
raw
perception,
you
gave
me
some
nice
concluding
statements,
but
I
can
tell
that
you
got
that
information
by
looking
at
some
data,
describe
that
data
that
you've
looked
at
to
make
those
conclusive
statements.
#01:
Presented
first
with
a
picture
of
many
boxes,
all
assembled
with
lines,
like
a
wiring
diagram
and
presented
with
picture
of
where
this
specific
object
goes
and
the
wiring
diagrams,
then
perceive
that
highlighted
all
other
objects
not
highlighted
as
answer
or
response
to,
was
it
originally
there
with
everything
else?
I... perceive
that
to
mean
no,
that's
it's
aside
and
beyond
or
from
everything
else
that
is
there.
#66:
All
right,
then
if
I
understand
your
perception,
you
let
yourself
conceive
of
everything
that's
there
as
being
a
singular
unit.
#01:
That's
correct.
#66:
And
yet
this
was
highlighted,
like
marked
with
highlighter
pen.
#01:
It
wasn't
there when
I
asked
the
question,
what
was
there
originally
and
is
there
now
and
should
be
there
#66:
I
understand
how
you
were
able
to
answer
that
question,
very
good.
Now,
the
question
is
is
if
in
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fact
this
thing
that
got
stolen
that
night
does
not
really
belong
with
this,
the
other
things
in
the
room,
how
long
has
it
been
there?
#01:
At
least
days,
possibly
months.
#66:
Okay.
That
would
be
previous
to
the
window
of
the
15th
that
you
looked
at?
#01:
That’s
correct.
#66:
Okay.
If
I
understand
your
perception
then
that
as
best
you
can
understand,
it
1 s
been
there
maybe
two
months
previous
to
the
15th,
#01:
That's
correct.
#66:
All
right.
I
have
one
last
question
for
you
then.
#01:
Um
,
um
.
#66:
You
found
that
something
may
have
been
stolen
from
this
area,
something
that
really
wasn't
supposed
to
be
there
to
begin
with.
#01:
Um
,
um
#66:
And
on
the
15th,
now
move
to
that
building
in
present
time,
today,
the
3rd
of
April.
#01:
Ah
okay,
#66:
Okay.
Now,
in
this
area
where
this
thing
was
stolen,
what's
happening
there
now
on
the
3rd
of
April
?
#01:
I
see
it
being
searched
and
stripped
keep
getting
an
impression
of,
full
of
people
looking,
and
then
full
of
people,
not
full
of
people,
rather.
It's
only
has
people
at
when
people
are
looking
for
something,
rest
of
the
time
it's
emp t y
.
#66:
Do
I,
in
the
present
time
window,
I
just
realized
that
maybe
because
this
place
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
world
that
the
date
April
might
be
a
few
hours
away
in
the
future
for
us.
But
besides
that,
am
I
understanding
that
you're
saying
that
this
room
is
not
a
normally
occuppied
room?
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#01:
No,
this
is
a
normally
occuppied
room,
it’s
different
in
that
now
it
T s
not.
#66:
Okay.
In
the
present
time
window,
it's
now
being
occuppied?
#01:
That
' s
correct.
#66:
Okay.
In
looking
around
yourself
in
the
present
time
window,
do
you
find
this
peculiar
object
that
had
been
previously
stolen?
#01:
#66:
Holding
in
the
«
•
•
exact
present window
.
#01:
No
,
but
I. .ah
I’m
having
trouble
with
this
because
I
see
someone
putting
it
down
in
that
room.
I
don
1 t
perceive
it
there
now,
but
I
see
someone
putting
it
down
in
that
room.
#66:
Okay
and
you’re
having
trouble,
I
think
what
you’re
telling
me,
is
the
idea
of
it
being
put
down
in
that
room
is
there,
but
you
don’t
find
it
there
right
now.
#01:
That’s
correct.
#66:
Okay.
Now
I
have
no
further
questions
about
this
particular
area
or
the
events
of
the
night
in
question,
I
do
have
a
series
of
photographs
of
many
rooms
in
the
building
that
I
would
like
to
show
you
to
see
if
you
recognize
any
of
one
of
those
rooms.
So
at
this
time
I’m
going
to
put
the
tape
recorder
on
hold
and
allow
you
to
regain
your
present
time
awareness.
#66:
Okay,
these
are
just
interesting
things
that,
looking
at
picture
number
1.
#01:
Okay
.
#66:
You
might
pass
them
off
and
then
come
back,
make
yourself
a
couple
of
stacks
of
interesting
and
uninter es ting
.
#01:
Yeah,
urn,
urn,
okay.
That
one
is
uninteresting.
#66:
Picture
uninteresting.
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#01:
Yeah,
these
so
far,
they
relate
to
what
is
going
on
.
#66:
Okay.
Picture
and
are
the
same
thing
from
different
angles.
#01:
Yeah.
#66:
I
f ve
got
pictures
of
a
lot
of
doors
which,
some
of
which
are
the
same
doors,
some
of
which
are
different
doors.
#01:
Urn,
urn.
Okay.
Okay,
picture
#8
looks
like
the
door
when
the
guy
came,
you
know,
that
was
well
dressed
and
everything
and
went
straight
to,
you
know,
came
through
the
door
and
hung
a
left
and
went
straight
into
a
room,
this
is
the
room
that
he
went
into,
door
8.
#6 6
:
Okay,
that
looks
like
that
kind
of
door?
#01:
Yeah.
#6 6
:
Okay.
We'll
set
that
one
aside.
#01
And
this
is
inside
that
particular
room,
inside
the
door
#9
i s
#6 6:
that
looks
like
the
one
in
8.
#01:
Yeah
#66
:
That's
just
a
blowup
of
this.
#01:
of
this
yeah.
Okay.
That's
uninteresting
think
it
has
anything
to
do with
that.
,
I
don
T
#6 6
:
Okay,
do
you
see
anything associated with
that?
#01
Oh,
there's
the
shelves,
now
I
know
what
garbage
is.
all
the
#6 6
:
Okay,
you
have
a memory
recall
then
of
picture
.
#01
I
have
a
memory
recall
of
this.
This
is
the
room
where
everything
is
just
piled
up
all
over
the
place,
that
looks
like
a
real
mess
all
the
time.
Remember
I
said
that
the
room
that
is
cluttered
but
not
cluttered--
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#66:
Okay
you
think
that
refers
to
picture
12?
#01:
That
refers
to
picture
12,
yes.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
Yes,
this
is
in
picture
as
well.
This
is
in
the
same
room.
#66:
Picture
13?
#01:
Picture
is
in
the
same
room,
#66:
Seems
the
same
kind
of
flavor,
okay.
#01:
Yes.
That's
exactly
the
shelf
and
everything
that
I
was
seeing
.
#66:
We’ll
back
up
a
litle
more.
t
#01:
Yep,
there's
the
maps
on
the
wall,
again,
same
room,
exact
room.
Don't
have
a
feel
for
this,
one
way
or
the
other.
#66:
Okay,
doesn't--
#01:
It's
probably
an
interior
vault
door
of
some
kind,
#66:
doesn't
mean
anything
to
you?
#01:
No,
it
doesn't
mean
anything.
That's
interesting,
something
interesting
about,
I
want
to
go
back
to
see.
#66:
I'm
going
to
let
you
shuffle
through
all
these
until
you
get
feelings
about
any
other
pictures
at
all.
#01:
This
one
really
rings
a
bell
or
something.
#66:
Okay
seems
be
something
familiar
about
it.
#01:
18,
but
I
want
to
look
at
the
rest
of
them
before
I,
and
this
is
co-located with
it.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
That's
picture
and
and
picture
20.
These
are
all
co-located.
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#66
:
# 01
:
#66
:
# 01
:
#66
:
# 01
:
#66
:
# 01
:
# 66
:
# 01
:
These
are
familiar
because
of
your
MOS
of
past
years
or
Yeah,
possibly.
That,
believe
it
or
not,
is
uninteresting
to
me.
is
uninteresting?
Yeah,
doesn’t
mean
any
to
me.
And
is
not
material
to
the
(mumble).
I’ll
keep
that
right
there
2 3
Disregard
the
guy
in
the
picture,
he’s
one
of
the
good
guys
Yeah,
okay,
looks
familiar.
Okay,
we
finished
the
pictures
now
and
I
would
like
you
to
go
shuffle
through
them
and
see
how
you
feel
now
that
you’ve
had
initial
impressions,
kind
of
shuffle
through
and
see
how
you
feel
about
them,
and
again,
I
might
now
have
the
picture
of
the
particular
problem area
or
it
might
be
here.
Ah,
Picture
12,
and
are
definitely
the
jumble
area
with
the
shelves,
and
the
maps
and
that
sort
thing
and
it’s
probably
the
area
that
was
checked
very
heavily
by
a
bunch
of
people
afterwards.
Picture
8,
and
is
where
the
man
who
is
well
dressed
went
straight
to
and
it
could
have
been
this
cabinet,
if
it’s
diagonally
across
the
room
and
left
corner,
he
went
straight
to
this
cabinet
and
opened
it
but
he
didn’t
take
anything
out
.
Okay,
this
is
the
well
dressed
man
that
put
something
from
his
pocket
into,
and
he
might
even
put
it
into
this
safe
here
or
whatever.
That
’ s
correct
.
#66
:
And
he
came
and
he
left
and
that’s
all
you
got.
#01:
That’s
all
he
did,
right,
exactly.
Now,
has
something
to
do
with
the
problem,
but
it
is
not
this
18.
#66:
By
the
problem,
we
mean
the
thing
that
was
stolen?
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#01:
Yes,
yes,
it
has
something
to
do
with
this
brown,
white
trimmed
box
here
with
the
combination
dial
lock
on
it,
but
it’s
not
this
one.
The
motive
for
theft
or whatever
this
thing
is
has
to
do
with
this
particular
object.
And
I
just,
I
get
more
than
just
this
one
here,
I'm
getting
a
bunch
of
them.
I
getting
like,
there's
a
motive
there
and
it
has
something
to
do
with
another
one.
#6 6
:
Okay
.
ar ea
,
But
you
have
definite
recollection
on
the
12,
and
14?
#01:
Yeah
,
12,
and
is
where
,
you know
,
#6 6
:
The
jumbled
room with
ma p s—
#01:
— yeah
,
jumbled
room with maps--
#6 6
:
--And
picture
you
feel
that
the
theft
ha s
something
to
that
thing,
but
not
necessarily
that
one
.
#01:
But
not
necessarily
that
one,
right,
exactly.
#66:
Okay
.
#01:
So,
hope
that
helped.
#66:
That's
fine.
Okay,
we'll
put
the
tape
recorder
on
hold
and
that
will
do
it.
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