Approved For Release 2000/08/0 = 000600640001-6 #46: And if they were ever intercepted in the avenues of approach they wouldn't stand a chance. The principal difficulty if the approach is made without opposition is simply climbing from the avenues of approach over the top of the ridges and pouring into the other side of the border..(mumble)....+. #14: Is this pass suitable to vehicle type traffic? #46 ¢ It's narrow, but it can be done. Again, you have two lanes... Within the last three or four miles, that is where it's most restricted. But I think you can, uh... #14: Okay. #46: You run your vehicles through there. Someplace in there you got a tight pinch but you can do it... Only if you had to and wanted to but I don't think nobody wants to. #143 All right #46, I want you, once again maintaining your focus at the pass, observing the pass, I want you to move forward to a point in time when there is activity taking place in this pass. Move to a point in time where there is activity. Describe this activity. PAUSE #46: You may...you may have a..a rocket missile type emplacements.... in about...four years, five years. And then their principal purpose would be for a defenSive...ceseseeeees They got any- thing else? #14: No, I have no further questions unless the analyst has any- thing... Okay. I have no further questions. At this time #46 I want you to come back in time, come back in time... back here to the room. Take a deep breath, stretch your arms, stretch your legs. #46 : Was that going? #14: No. #46: Okay. #14: Why don't you tell me about drawing number one. #46 : Okay, uh, I gotta give you the impressions from an overview point of view, so to speak. And this consists of the last maybe four, five, six, seven last miles of the pass. Uh, the initial approach to that pass is a single type gulley thing, quite wide, and can be ¢ weto vehicles and personnel and whatever equipment you wanna craw over there. But then it, the geographical disposition as you come close to the border is comprised of a ridge of mountains or peaks to my Approved For Release Doo cre mehr pre peretwerrevee%e540001-6
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 SoM MM EMF END s40001-5 #46: #14: #46: #14: $46: #143 #46: #14: #46: #14: #46: right and one to the extreme left. And in the center there is a, another, a third peak, which is not quite as high, particularly as it tapers towards the border. Not as high as the peaks to the right and left of it, but sufficiently high to give one the impression there are two small ribbons or avenues that culminate into a, sort of a small clearing, if you wish, before the border. And immediately before the clearing is a ridge. Uh, I think it would be impractical to move equipment and troops, although the troops could get over it if they were unopposed. It's just not as high as the border ridges to the right and left of it. But if there were any opposition I don't see how you could even, uh, contemplate moving personnel or vehicles in there. Okay. What you're saying is at the border area it would be difficult to move vehicles over that area. Yes, yes. They would be funneled into from a bigger avenue of approach into these two small ribbons of type roads and they would be goryed in there, and any opposing force I think would really do a good job on 'em. Uh, couple other observations. I found the place to be desolate. And, uh, the impression of an observation post and token force of personnel on the ridge, in fact, right in the center...is the only activity going on at that time. Could you determine the nationality of the observation post? I made an assumption that they were Chinese only because of the map and so on, but I don't know that. Uh, when I saw the missiles in the future they definitely were pointed from the Chinese border towards the other side of the border, But the weird thing there was that it was defensive, not offensive. Can you graphically display the missile? No, no. Their prime purpose for the use of the missiles was the cover afforded by the ridges and the fact that you could hide tem quite well. And it was a perfect location for the missile, rocket/missiles, that's what I got, rocket slash missiles. Uh-huh. And was their location within the drawing that you've got here, number one? Oh, yeah, yeah. In fact it was within this entire area, per- haps for the concentration of stuff like this. On both sides. And could- is there any way that you could determine how far into the future you were? For the, uh- there are two things about the future. When you moved me up one month there seemed to be an increase of per- sonnel, but it was like a toothless tiger and that is it Approved For Release 2000/eaie meee apeerePeRFe000600640001-6
Approved For Release 2000108/0 REFEREE SPER fperpoeTT 4000-6 #46: seemed as if- I get the impression it was a political move to bring a token presence. Now this- we're talkin’ about a lot of personnel, but it's still a token presence that really hadn't..was not equipped, nor intended to be equipped to. cross the border or to undertake any activity across the border. It was just as if it was a political move to indicate that a presence was there. Now I'm talking about..I don't know. Certainly not division level. Certainly smittering of regiments of- I can say that. Uh, and it was just a token political presences. And then the other scan into the future I went as far as I can go till I met something. #14: Right. #46: And that's when the missiles and the rockets came up. But this is what I might interpret to be about foyr or five years out on the pike. And there were the, uh, weird. impression was that these rocket/missile emplacements were for defensive pur- poses. | #14: Okay, very good. I have no further questions. We'll conclude the session at this time. Approved For Release 2000/ : 88R000600640001-6
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