Se mem A ke BA eon TN ee ARI anion em tt Enat Yo S-1619 forey be DE ; 5 bos -00788R002000130006-1 DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WASHINGTON, D.C. 20301 S-1004/DT-1 MINUTES OF THE MEETING, DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE 1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza. 2. (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 28 November 1978. 3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure 1. ‘ 4, (S/ORCON) Following the introductions, Dr. Vorona provided opening. comments to the group. He cautioned the Committee to maintain a low profile with minimal fanfare. The sensitivity of the subject material requires that all participants be circumspect in any outside discussion of the program. 5. (U) Following these comments, the agenda was reviewed. No additions or changes were reconmended. 6. (S/ORCON) The group then discussed possible names for the organiza- tion. It was decided that "GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE," following the title given to the US Army program, would be acceptable to all participants. 7. (S/ORCON) The group then agreed to establish limited access rosters. Each member organization is to develop its own roster and these will be made available to the other members of the Committee. Permanent members must possess SI/TK clearances, although participants of some “ad hoc" groups and individuals involved in research programs will only be required to have SECRET clearances. 8. (S/ORCON) The GRILL FLAME Oversight Committee has the following members: Dr. Jack Vorona, DIA , MG E. R. Thompson, Army ACSI RADM S. Shapiro, Commander, NIC Maj Gen J. L. Brown, Air Force ACSI Dr. Lowell Dailey, USDR&E Representative Members are responsible for insuring that research and experiments fall within the legal guidelines established by the DoD and the Services. Classified by DIAJ DT Declasstify on oe Review on__l! Sanvary TQa PAE) Approved For Release 200 P96 oe iftdpdbnd | 3p00g-t--g¢—— CNTR eng ooo spy oe SPT NT
. ..... Approved For Release 26 fia > f 9. (S/ORCON) An "ad hoc" working group was established to develop Commit- tee goals and objectives. Participants are as follows: Mr. Dale Graff, FTD SG1J Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy SG1H Maj Bill Stoner, Army OACSI Maj Murray Watt, INSCOM The group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979. 10. (C) Maj Stoner then addressed problems involved with the Privacy Act and the security of the GRILL FLAME program. Army plans to develop a- security agreement to preclude compromise of the program and associated activities. In addition, the DIA Legal Counsel will be contacted for his comments. 11. (S/ORCON) Dr. Mehuron suggested that the Committee have as one of its goals the identification and extent of the Soviet parapsychology programs. He also urged that we identify current parapsychology intelligence collec- tion requirements, develop additional requirements and task SEEK sources. It was agreed that this should be done. Current collection requirements will be provided at the next meeting. 12. (S/ORCON) A discussion followed on the possibility of inviting CIA to attend the meetings. It was agreed that would contact SG1J SG1I DN and suggest that a CIA representative attend subsequent meetings. 13. (S/ORCON) The Committee concurred with the recommendation that each member organization maintain control over its own parapsychology research contracts. However, all Committee members will have cognizance of the total DoD contractual efforts in this area. -14. (S/ORCON) Dale Graff provided the Committee with a brief review of Gulyayev's visit to SRI this past November. This was followed by an exchange of current intelligence. Items are attached as enclosures 2 through 8. 15. (C) The problem of document downgrading was also brought to the floor. The Committee agreed that al] documents originating as a result of the GRILL FLAME program would undergo downgrading review only after 20 years. 16. (S/ORCON) Mr. Graff next suggested that a cover story be developed for the program; Dr. Vorona suggested that the National Academy of Sciences might back an open program to investigate paranormal phenomena. The recommendation will be brought to Dr. Davis’ attention. Approved For Retease:200170310 7%: GIA7RDP96-00788R002000130006-1 9