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REMARKS Subj meeting is presently being coordinated by
A/0.
Dr Davis, LTG Tighe, Dr LaBerge and ZA are on for
sure.
Adm Shapiro not yet known.
Adm Murphy cannot
make it because of out-of-town ccmnittment
.
Murphy's
secretary wants to know if a stand-in would be acceptable
.
Told her
I would check with ZA on it.
My recormendation
is to keep it principals only, with the following
caveats:
(a) ZA can backbrief Adm Murphy soonest,
(b) Agenda items from Adm Murphy tabled and fully
discussed,
and
(c) Complete minutes ASAP after meeting
( OACSI can provide secretarial/shorthand support
LaBerge
' s XO agreed)
.
If Murphy balks at our suggestions
,
we should elect to have his principal assistant,
rather
than Mr Nilson attend the meeting.
(Note:
INSCOM A6
piece was run in to Dr LaBerge.
No feedback.
He wants to
be kept up to date as the project goes along.)
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Approved F ab ERANGARADZORANGMIP PAL Slt RDPSB"00788R002000250017-6 TO: (Name, office symbol, room number, Dat uilding, Agency / Post) ° 2¢//0 Py tnitials OL WELLS 2.MG_THOMPSON — ew g, SUBJECT: G.F. Steering Comm Agenda Itemp ction Ss File = Note and Return Approval | | For Clearance |_| Per Conversation As Requested || For Correction _|_ [Prepare Reply Circulate | | For Your Information | |See Me Comment =| [investigate | Signature Coordination | fuustify REMARKS i. Fur ZA perusal/addition/deletion/etc, are suggested agenda items for the meeting on_30 Oct. Have not heard from other principals suggesting agenda topics. 2. Per dir, I contacted Dr LaBerge's XO and explained the problem of AdM Murphy's office objecting to the meeting. The XO will try to put Dr LaBerge in personal contact with the Admiral soonest (today). Word of this caused some concern in the Admiral's office, so his deputy Mr Striver will talk with Dr LaBerge at 1700 hrs today. 3. Unless we hear something from Dr LaBerge's office, presume the meeting for 30 Oct stands as planned. 4. I will keep Mr Nilson informed Monday (29 Oct). DO NOT use this form as a RECORD of approvals, concurrences, disposals, clearances, and similar actions FROM: (Name, org. symbol, Agepc WILLIAM L. STONER Room No.—Blidg. MAJ, GS Approve Phone No. TIOnAL PGRtd Ud ARERU Prescribed by GSA WU.S. GPO: 1977~—261-647/3187 FPMR (41 CFR) 191-11.206 19630025001 7-6
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Fur ZA perusal/addition/deletian/etc
,
are suggested
agenda items for the meeting * 30 0ch
Have not heard
from other principals suggestincfageffla topics.
2.
Per dir,
I contacted Dr LaBerge's XO and explained
the problem of AdM Murphy's office objecting to the
meeting.
The XO will try to put Dr LaBerge in personal
contact with the Admiral soonest
(today)
.
Word of this
caused some concern in the Admiral's office,
so his
deputy Mr Striver will talk with Dr LaBerge at 1700 hrs
today.
3.
Unless we hear something from Dr LaBerge's office,
presume the meeting for 30 Oct stands as planned.
4.
I will keep Mr Nilson informed Monday
(29 Oct).
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3MG THOMPSON
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G.F
STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING
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REMARKS
1.
Was informed by Dr LaBerge's office that the proposed
meeting of the committee,
30 Oct,
is still on.
This
follows meeting late last Friday between Dr LaBerge
and Adm Murphy's deputy, Mr Strivers.
Strivers met with
Dr LaBerge,
after he found out that LaBerge wanted to
speak personally with Adm Murphy on his objections to
the meeting.
(Note:
This reinforces my opinion that
it was Murphy's staff who objected strongly, not Murphy)
2.
Dr Davis called early this AM to say she could not
make the meeting — she had to make one wath Mr Duncan
in DOE.
I explained the dilemma — she had heard about
the brouhaha with Murphy's office — and she said that
it was important enough for her to cancel with Duncan.
She understands our position on steering/working groups
leadership and need for RSD community to take charge.
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concurrences,
disposals,
clearances, and similar actions
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FOREIGN NATIONALS Approved For Release 20SEC RET. °° NeTtEREABRE FOO? DAMT-—-ISH MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SUBJECT: Minutes of Steering Committee Meeting, 1400-1430 hours, 30 October 1979 (U) 1. (U) Attendees: Dr. LaBerge, Chairman (Principal Duputy USD(RE)), Dr. Ruth Davis (DOE), LTG Tighe (DIRDIA), MG Thompson (ACSI DA), MG Brown (ACSI AF), and RADM Shapiro (DNI). 2. (S/NOFORN) Discussion: a. At this point the DOD project has an R&D flavor, rather than intelligence. Need to validate phenomena existence. b. Need to keep Congress informed and interested in progress. c. Security is paramount and keeping track of Soviet work is large problem. d. Everyone recognizes possibility of Golden Fleece Award. e. Current R&D aspects are presently primitive and naive. No dishonest work has been seen. £. Dr. Perry wants little to do with the subject (based on 15 min conversation, Perry/Davis). g- Best results to date are from Fort Meade, with military people carrying out a project ina military way. h. It is hoped that the Science Evaluation Group report will pin down whether or not it is worth pursuing any further, but recognize that the SEG report is only one of a number of inputs. i. What is at issue for the time being is "not an intelligence policy activity," and making it such would be the worst possible thing to do. 3. (U) Recommendations: a. Steering Committee will hear fron the SFG soonest, and should meet again when report is finished. b. Future program work will depend to a degree on what the SEG report says. Should not decide at this time what the focus and approach should be. GRILL FLANE (U) CLOSE MOLD/MAND CAR DMppnoved For Release 2001/04/02 : Gih-RURee 80788R002000250021-1 — ina NOT RELEASABLE TO 4 i FOREIGN NATIONSAISC
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DAMI-ISH
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
Minutes of Steering Committee Meeting,
1400-1430 hours,
30 October 1979
(U)
1*
Attendees:
Dr.
LaBerge,
Chairman
(Principal Duputy USD (RE)
)
,
Dr.
Ruth Davis
(DOE)
,
LTG Tighe
(DIRDIA)
,
MG Thompson
(ACS I
DA)
MG
Brown
(ACSI
AF)
,
and RADM Shapiro
(DNI)
2.
(S/NOFORN)
Discussion:
a.
At this point the DOD project has
an R&D flavor,
rather than
intelligence.
Need
to validate phenomena existence.
b.
Need to keep Congress
informed and interested in progress.
c „
Security
is paramount and keeping track of Soviet work
is
large problem.
d.
Everyone recognizes possibility of Golden Fleece Award.
e.
Current R&D aspects are presently primitive and naive.
No
dishonest work has been seen.
f.
Dr.
Perry wants little
to do with the subject
(based on
15 min
conversation,
Perry/Davis)
g.
Best results
to date are from Fort Meade,
with military people
carrying out
a project
in
a military way.
h.
It
is hoped that
the Science Evaluation Group report will pin
down whether or not
it
is worth pursuing any further,
but recognize
that the SEG report
is only one of
a number of
inputs.
i.
What
is
at issue for the time being
is
"not
an intelligence
policy activity,"
and making
it such would be the worst possible
thing
to
do.
3.
(U)
Recommendations:
a.
Steering Committee will hear fron the SEG
soonest,
and should
meet again when report
is finished.
b.
Future program work will depend
to
a degree on what the SEG
report says.
Should not decide at this time what the focus and
approach should be.
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DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND
FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND
20755
22 April
1980
MEMORANDUM FOR
THE RECORD
SUBJECT:
Briefing
to Air Force ACSI,
10 April
1980
(U)
1.
On
10 April
1980,
I
briefed the AF ACSI
concerning the INSC0M Grill Flame Project,
briefing:
and selected members
of his staff
Following personnel attended the
ATTENDEES
BRIEFER:
LTC WATT
MG JAMES BROWN
BG JOHN MARKS
COLONEL GREENBLATT
COLONEL GOLDFARB
COLONEL PETTYJOHN
COLONEL WELLS
LTC BLOOM
MSGT BOYD
2.
This briefing had been requested
3.
Inclosure
1 contains the outline
AIR FORCE
ACS.I/I
AIR FORCE ACSI/I DESIGNATE
DIRECTOR,
AF/INY
CHIEF,
AF/INYS
DIRECTOR,
AF/INE
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ACTION OFFICER,
AF/INYS
ADMIN NCOIC
MG Brown
and approved by
MG Thompson,
my briefing.
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1 would
say
that
the briefing was received in
a very positive manner.
M
Brown was very concerned
with
the operational
tasks we had done
and expressed
hnwp
tights aiong
the
..line
" it,s necessary
to continue,
but
we really need
to
have
a better handle
on the phenomenon.”
Everyone agreed that
the services could
not afford
to be involved m R&D matters,
and that perhaps we'll never know the
answer
to this very puzzling question.
Incl
as
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DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755 22 April 1980 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD SUBJECT: Briefing to Air Force ACSI, 10 April 1980 (U) 1. On 10 April 1980, I briefed the AF ACSI and selected members of his staff concerning the INSCOM Grill Flame Project. Following personnel attended the briefing: ATTENDEES BRIEFER: LTC WATT MG JAMES BROWN AIR FORCE ACSI/I BG JOHN MARKS AIR FORCE ACST/I-DESIGNATE COLONEL GREENBLATT DIRECTOR, AF/INY COLONEL GOLDFARB CHIEF, AF/INYS COLONEL PETTYJOHN DIRECTOR, AF/INE COLONEL WELLS OACSI LTC BLOOM ACTION OFFICER, AF/INYS MSGT BOYD ADMIN NCOIC 2. This briefing had been requested by MG Brown and approved by MG Thompson. 3. Inclosure 1 contains the outline of my briefing. 4, Overall, I would say that the briefing was received ina very positive manner. MG Brown was very concerned with the operational tasks we had done and expressed some thoughts along the line "it's necessary to continue, but we really need to have a better handle on the phenomenon." Everyone agreed that the services could not afford to be involved in R&D matters, and that perhaps we'll never know the answer to this very puzzling question. 1 Incl aharciaties as LTC, MI Project Manager Regraded UNCLASSIFIED when separated from SECRET inclosure. CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH 051630 Jul 78 REVIEW ON:: April 2000 Approved For Ae a RTT TTA -0 | ILL FLAME
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The program as suggested will have
a begining,
a middle and
MOST
IMPORTANTLY AND
ENp,
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A.
/
To ACCOMPLISH THIS THE PROGRAM WILL
BE
INITIATED WITH A PRINCIPLE GOAL OF
APPLYING THE CRV TECHNIQUE TO
INTELLIGENCE
i
/
USE,
B,
At THE
END OF THREE YEARS
ONE
OF THE
FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE MADE
1.
ALL ^FUNDING
SHOULD BE TERMINATED,
BECAUSE jlT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT
IT CAN
EVER BE USED BY THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY OR
2,
The PHEMONENA WILL ASSIST
US
IN
"j
GAINING
INTELLIGENCE AND WE SHOULD:
EITHER
I
A)
WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS
IN SETTING
UP AN APPLICATIONS GROUP
OR
Take the project
into the DoD
AND DEVELOP OUR OWN APPLICATIONS
GROUP,
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CONCLUSIONS
In conclusion,
1.
The purpose
of this meeting
is to provide the
interested
PARTIES
A CURRENT STATUS REPORT ON GRILL FLAME RESEARCH.
2.
It
IS FURTHER HOPED THAT DECISIONS CAN BE MADE NOW WITH
REGARD TO THE FUTURE FUNDING OF GRILL FLAME ACTIVITIES,
3.
The 150K per player
is
a minumum program.
At least
THIS MUCH MUST BE COMMITTED
PER YEAR OVER THE NEXT
3 YEARS.
A.
If THIS
CANNOT,
OR SHOULD NOT HAPPEN,
THEN
IT
IS TRULY
TIME
TO OFFICALLY
CLOSE- THE PROGRAM AND STOP ALL R&D AND
FUNDING.
5.
Finally,
how does the program offered
here differ
FROM WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ?
First,
A.
There will be a management and funding#
COMMITTMENT TO THE PROGRAM,
B.
The composition of the
G
F structure and the
MISSION
OF
EACH GROUP ARE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED.
C.
The PROGRAM WILL TRULY BECOME
A JOINT DoD
EFFORT
.
It
IS SUGGESTED THAT THIS BE
ACCOMPLISHED BY PROVIDING THE
RESEARCHERS
A JOINT SERVICE CONTRACT
WHERE BY ALL THE AGENCIES
Ml PR FUNDS
TO ONE AGENCY AND
ONE CONTRACT BE
ISSUED
FOR ALL GRILL FLAME RESEARCH.
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SGI J
called and gave the following list
of names/22 Apr 80
SGI
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SGI J
SGI J
SGI J
BG JAMES
A. WILLIAMS,
ARMY ACSI
LTC MICHAEL BLOOM,
AFIN
LTC MURRAY
B.
WATT.
INSCOM
DR.
HAROLD
E.
PUTHOFF,
MR.
RUSSEL TARG,
SRI
ADMIRAL KELLN.
DIA
DIA
DIA
DR.
VORONA,
DIA
DR.
BABOCK.
DRE
DIA
LTC JOSEPH
B. WEBSTER,
COL OWEN
L.
GREENBLATT
SRI
AFIN
,
AFIN
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DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND
FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND
207SS
23 April 1980
MEMORANDUM
FOR:
LTC
R.
W.
HAWES,
X0,
ADCSOPS-HUMINT
SUBJECT:
BG Flynn Update
Re:
GRILL FLAME
(U)
1.
(S/N0F0RN)
Per your request,
following information is submitted for
your consideration for updating BG Flynn:
a.
IRAN SITUATION:
Special Operations Division
(SOD),
JCS requested we
intensify
our efforts and that we attempt
to set up
a situation wherein the
possibilities for aborting the mission would be sharply reduced.
This request
from JCS was relayed
to INSC0M via Mr.
Jackie Keith who took request
to CG INSC0M
and then
to COL Stern.
Arrangements are now being worked out to provide
a
suitable
area.
Oo^in
b.
LTC Watt will be meeting with CIA representative
Friday
,
25 April,
to work out arrangements for
joint INSC0M/CIA effort using our assets.
This effort was suggested by the DD0 and agreed upon by the ACSI.
At this time,
we
do not know what their requirements will
be,
but we will be sure not
to overload
our resources.
2.
(S)
I
do not have all
the details but understand that MG Rolya and
Mr.
Speakman will
be visiting SRI
in the near future.
Although their visit has
nothing to
do with our project,
it might be beneficial if MG Rolya could arrange
to visit with our
SRI
contacts
(Dr.
Harold Puthoff and Russell
Targ).
Suggest
that BG Flynn discuss this with Mr.
Speakman.
(NOTE:
SRI
contacts are aware
of
the upcoming visit.)
MURRAY
B.
WATT
LTC,
MI
Project Manager
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BY:
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DAMI-ISH
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LL SGFOIA3 SGFOIA3 SGFOIA3 SGFOIA3 SGFOIA3 Approved For Release 2003/09/09  CIA-RDP96-00788R002000250038-3 vf "SECRET" TAFM—OPS—HU-SA 30 June 1980 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD SUBJECT: Possible Compromise of a Relationship Between Two SRI Scientists (Puthoff & Targ) and the U.S. Government (S) 1. (S/NOFORN) Attending a two day conference on camouflage concealment and deception at FID, Wright Patterson AFB on 25 and 26 June, I, Hartleigh Trent heard a briefer mention a contract the government has with SRI on psychic research. The conference was conducted in a secure facility ab the SITK le i [_]} heal intelligence officer for the 2. (s/nororn) L_____] presented a talk on (cand the type of SGFOIA3 projects they were 4nvolved in around the world. The last subject he intro- duced was a project that put him 4n contact with two SRI scientists, Puthoff and Targ. After indicating by expression and gesture that the encounter was strange and somewhat unbelievable he stated that they (someone at SRT) told him that they had a large contract with the U.S. Government on psychic re- search... He mentioned that MIA and the DIA were involved. He indicated that the results of some of the work appeared startling, however, he appeared to be skeptical about the whole thing. Be _(S/NOFORN) After the presentation I asked him if there was really any~- thing to the things that Puthoff and Targ claim to have accomplished, does it really work? He said it depends upon whether you believe the data or note If you accept it as fact then the phenomenon represents a tremendous poten tial. However, if you question the data then there are ways to, explain the results. Although there is no proof of fakery, one must consider the pos= sibility. He asked if I knew that Puthoff and Targ were scieritologists. I said I had heard that this was probably true. He then said that if they belong to that group there is a possibility that they are pulling the great- est hoax on the U.S. Government and the American public that has ever been perpetrated. CI) then turned to answer questions from others. None of the questions were relative to the Puthoff and Targ subject. No one scemed to understand or care about the subject. hie (S/NOFORN) At no time was the U.S. Army or Grill Flame mentioned during the brief mention of the subject. _ Se/- a7 ‘SARTLELGH TRENT Analyst CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAM IS. DATED: 051630ZJU NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS 7 Approved For Release POG AT EER PE IP NGreer00200025 *SECRET” GRILL FLAME