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On
211325
March
1984,
source
#01
was
interviewed
by
monitor
#66
concerning
the
location
of
an
individual
identified
as
William
F.
Buckley.
The
project
8404
sponsor
had provided
a photograph
of Buckley
(see
Incl
1).
2.
(S/CL-3/N0F0RN)
For
this
interview
source
was
shown
the
photograph
provided
by
the
sponsor
and
asked
to
decribe
Buckley's
location.
No
other
identifying
data
was
provided
to
source
at
the
time
of
the
interview
but
source
was
aware
that
Buckley
(name
not
told
to
source
at
this
time)
was
a
kidnap
victim.
All
other
intelligence
information was withheld
for
use
as
feedback
and cuing
for possible
subsequent
interviews.
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of
the
interview was prepared
(see
Incl
2).
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report
related
the
salient
points
of
the
interview.
Attached
to
the
report
was
a
drawing
provided
by
source
(see
Incl
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with
the
below
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and
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or
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soon
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# 01
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This
will
ROD
for
3/21/84,
time
is
1:24
P.M.
Now
plus
10' minutes,
we're
down
points
on
GSR,
looking
to
start
here
pretty
quick.
The
voltage
is
swinging
down,
microvolts
on
the
left
hand
are
also
swinging
down
lower.
Okay
let's
walk
down
close
to
the
gate
now
and
concentrate,
deeper
and
deeper
and
focus
your
attention
on
the
individual
in
the
photograph
I've
shown
you.
Focus
on
his
location.
Relax
now,
relax
more
and
more.
That's
better,
that's
it.
Relax
more
and
more.
Relax,
focus
on
his
location
and
describe
it
to
me.
The
hallway's
bend
towards
the,
closer
to
the
outside,
its
like
they
run
along
the
edges
of
the
outside
walls.
This
building's
broken
up
into
suites,
sections,
exit
doors
apparently,
there
is
one
exit
door
on
each
back
section
of
building,
going
out
to
the
parking
area.
(mumble)
different
section
no w
blocked
off
suite
like
areas,
three
or
four
rooms
.
Real
time
plus
16 minutes,
voltage
reversal
now.
Larger
rooms ...... there
' s
some
people
in
it,
it's
like
a.... a
large
table,
mostly
around
the
table,...
the
corridor
off
to
that
goes
back
to
the
group
of
smaller
rooms.
Urn,
there's
only
(mumble)
it's
like
a
sterile
bedroom ,... j ust
a
bed,
table
and
chair
And
girl
there
is
ah.. blond
hair,
dirty
blond
hair,
she's
like
talking
in
the
conference
room
or
whatever
it
is,
big
table
Guy
in
the
corridor
sitting
in
a
chair.
Report
the
condition,
physical,
mental
condition
of
the
individual
in
the
photograph
I've
shown
you.
Physical
condition
is
not
very
good.
And
he's
not
eating
anything
...emotionally
he's
very. ..very
bad
shape,
emotionally
He's
convinced
that
he's
not
going
to
make
it.
I
think
that's
the
intension
is
that
he
won't.
Break
that
out.
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#01:
I
see
like
ah
.
.
. ah
.
.
. ah
.
.
. a
certain
point
they're
keeping
him
ah.. up
to,
and
then
he's
just
going
to
be
eliminated.
I
don't
think
there's
any
intention
of
ever
giving
him
up.
#66:
This
eating
situation,
is
this
of
his
choice
or
of
the
people
that
have
him?
#01:
It's
his
choice.
He's
ah. ..he's
convinced
that's
he's
not
going
to
make
it,
that's
why
he's
given
up.
Seems
to
be
some
inference
here
as
well
that's
he's
picked
up
on,
that
he's
only
good
for
so
many
days
and
they're
just
going
to
eliminate
him.
#66:
All
right.
If
you'll
listen
to
the
sound
of
my
voice
for
just
a
moment.
I
need
to
do
some
more
work
with
this
individual,
like
you're
doing
now.
But
I
need
also
to
go
outside
and
up
and
look
around.
Do
you
wish
to
go
outside
now
and
come
back
to
him
later
or
do
you
wish
to
stay
in
contact
with
him?
#01:
Hell,
let's
deal
with
him
first.
#66:
All
right,
then.
Using
all
that
you
know
and
all
that
you
understand,
move
closer
and
closer
to
him,
beyond
the
confines
of
my
ability
to
move
you
and
ask
him
if
he
knows
who
these
people
are,
ask
him
to
tell
you
who
these
people
are
that
have
him.
#01:
It's
ah. ...apparently
it's
ah. ..joint
operation
of
two
groups
of
people.
#66:
Report
raw
data.
#01:
I
get
ah... spider
web
appearance
of .. different
colors,
(mumbles) (mumble)
Southern
Europe
and
ah .... there
' s
a
ah.. meeting
of
minds
where
they
come
together,
it's
like
they
consortium
of
control,
where
one
group
doesn't
have
strength
and
the
other
one
might,
they
support
one
another.
In
this
particular
city,
evidently
there's
a
sharing
in
this
between
two
groups
#66:
I
understand
then
that
the
people
who
have
our
man
now,
are
two
in
nature,
there
are
two
groups
or
two
sets
of
people
that
hold
him,
that
have
some
sort
of
agreement?
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Correct.
Ah.... the
stronger
of
the
two
is
not
a
large
group,
and
the
weaker
of
the
two
is
a
large
group.
It
would
appear
the
people
there,
they're,
..the
majority
are
from
the
weaker
group.
The
people
in
charge
of
the
organization
of... of
this
ah.
. .operation. .are
very
tiny,
small
select
group
but.... very
much
in
power,
as
far
as
the
group
cohesion.
All
right,
now,
from
your
perceptual
point,
you
getting
this
information
from
the. individual
in
the
photograph,
or
are
you
seeking
this
yourself?
I'm
kinda
getting
this
from
all
over.
All
right.
Because
this
individual
may
have
a
unique
knowledge
of
these
people,
I
wish
you
to
address
your
questions
to
him.
I
would
like
to
know
what
his
opinion,
his
input
is,
as
to
these
captors
.
Real
time
plus
minutes.
Get
ah .... there
' s
a
ah
I
don't
know
how
to
explain
it.
I
get
Red
Brigade,
but
that,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
overlay,
it's
coming
in
very
strong,
but
it's
out
of
their
area.
And
ah.. I
get
them
associated
to ... providing
unknown
faces
and
manpower.
The
other
group
I
get
is
some
kind
of
ah... quasi
political
group
that
' s ... based
in
extreme
Southern
Europe.
But
they're
very
small
and
.it's
like
they're
not
even
known
hardly
All
right.
Now,
before
we
move
outside,
It's
got
a
political
name
It's
not
.like
your
typical
terrorists
organization
type
names,
its
a
political
name.
Do
you
have
a
phonetic
on
it?
Ah
no,
but
it's
a
short
word,
less
than
three
syllables,
F,
it
starts
with
an
F
Possible
it
could
be
a
man's
name
name.
Say
again.
Possible
it
could
be
a man's
name.
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Okay.
Let’s
let
that
rest, and
cook
a
little
bit.
Before
we
leave
this
individual
to
go
outside,
I
want
you
to move
back
close
to
him,
see
if
we
can't
help
him
in
the
present
crisis
he's
going
through,
give
him
a
little
confidence,
give
him
a
knowing
that
there
are
those
who
care
for
him.
And
after
building
up
a
rapport
with
him,
see
what
information
he
could
give
to
us
which
would
help
us
help
him.
He
doesn't
have
a
lot
to
offer
in
information,
he
was
duped
evidently.
He
thought
the
people
he
was
talking
to
originally
were
different
than
what
they
turned
out
to
be
And
ah .... tremendous
feeling
that
he
still
doesn't
know
what
he's
dealing
with,
other
than
fair
impression
of. ...intention
on
their
part
#66:
Real
time
plus
minutes.
#01:
He
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
things
to
bolster
here,
he's
not
carrying
a
lot
of
energy
for
himself.
#66:
Why
was
he
taken,
what
was
the
reason
for
picking
him
up?
# 01
:
From
his
point
of
view
he
still
doesn't
understand
that
Trying
to
dig
deeper
and
find
the
reason
for
that. ...hold
on
just
a
minute.
#66:
Let's
leave
him
with
some
strength
to
deal
with
his
situation.
Send
him
some
energy,
_ let's
give
him
some
strength
to
deal
with
his
present
circumstances
.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
Tell
him
that
you
know
that
he
was
a
ranger
in
the
army.
Tell
him
to
grab
some
of
the
strength
of
his
younger
years
as
a
ranger.
#01:
Okay
#66:
All
right,
let's
move
away
from
him,
up
and
over
the
building
and
continue
on
the
next
mission
of
describing
the
location
of
the
building.
Take
your
time,
I
will
wait.
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positions
about
,
.
.
.
. 5
, 000
feet
centered
over
this
town,
running
ah... a
slow
curve
on
the
left
are
these
buildings
slightly
into
the
edge
of
the
town
and
curving
away
from
the
town
in
south,
southeast
direction.
I
get
a
sense
of
heights
or
rocks
or
cliffs
or
something,
(mumble)
hills
(mumble).
There's
a
river,
runs
north,
northeast
to
the
south,
southwest,
fairly
wide,
almost
in
center
of
town.
This
particular
place
is
in
that
one
other
area,
I
can
describe
as
a
park,
adjacent
to
the
lower
edge
of
the
river,
it
extends
beyond
the
town,
back
into
the
town.
And
I
keep
getting
a
"Y"
impression
like
there's
a
tributary
of
the
river
that
breaks
off
to
the
west,
southwest.
There's
a
large
section
of
buildings
on
the
ah....
east
side
of
the
river,
is
a
(mumble)
old
square
of
cobblestone.
Adjacent
to
that
in
the
north,
northwest
is
a
very
large
church
or
stately
type
building
with
a
dome
section.
#66:
Say
again.
#01:
A
dome
section.
It'd
be
ah .. somewhere
else
in
the
city,
a
very,
very
steep,
where
the
city
meets
the
cliffs
or
the
hills.
And
there
apparently
are
some
ruins
that
cut
in
and
out
through
the
rock.
....Shopping
section,
stores,
here
are
main
center
of
stores
is
directly
north
and
just
off
the
river,
north
of
the
square
and
I
sense
that
it
is
between
there
and
the
square
that,
...to
the
east
is
the
building
from
which
he
was
taken
The
building
he's
held
in
now
is
to
the
south,
southeast,
in
old
section
of
buildings.
It's
almost
up
against
the
cliffs
to
the
higher
heights
of
the
edge
of
the
town
.
#66:
Okay,
you've
run
through
several
descriptions
so
fast
that
I've
lost
you,
so
let's
urn, ..fixing
your
location
at
the
site,
then
tell
me,
from
the
site,
the
other
things
that
you
can
describe.
I
can
work
reverse
azimuths
later.
From
the
location,
from
the
site,
then
describe
to
me.
#01:
Just
a
minute
Dead
over
the
site,
and
a
compass ,... entire
eastern
side
is
all
cliffs,
rocks
or
hills,
highest
heights
above
the
city,
residential
old
buildings,
narrow
streets,
cobblestone
streets
many
of
them,
...all
jammed
on
the
right,
the
east
side.
Due
west,
river
above
the
"Y"
but
below
the
cathedral
and
the
city
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Ah
28Q
degrees,
cathedral,
between
the
cathedral
and
the
site
I'm
at
is
the
square,
it's
cut
diagonally
310
degrees,
cuts
the
center
and
the
shopping
streets
Trying
to
look
for
another
landmark
to
the
#66:
Okay.
#01:
--It's
due
north
degrees
east
of
due
north
is
a
small
circular
area
that
has
(mumble)
and
whatnot,
.it's
up
against
the,
it's
like
up
against
the
rock
wall
and
has
statues.
#66:
Which
side
of
the
river,
on
which
#01:
It's
on
the
east.
#66:
You
are
on
the
east
side
of
the
river?
#01:
That's
correct.
#66:
Okay
I
understand
that
you
are
on
the
east
side
of
the
river
up
against
the
hills?
#01:
That's
correct.
#66:
Okay,
for
my
verification,
describe
the
area
west
of
the
river.
#01:
Just
a
minute
Very
cluttered
city,
very
modern
compared
to
the
east
side
of
the
river.
Ah
It's
just
a
jumble
of
everything
all
mixed
together,
there's
some
industrial
shops,
restaurants,
residential.
#66:
Okay
and
beyond
the
city.
#01:
Ah.. ..very
low
rolling
hills,
farms.
Mountains
circling .... starting
due
west
all
the
way
around
through
the
southern
part
of
the
compass,
up
around
to
the
north,
northeast,
all
mountains
standing
just
in
the
distance,
rather
high
at
that.
#66:
All
right,
let's
go
back
to
the
location
east
of
the
river,
next
to
the
mountains.
#01:
Okay
Residential,
it's
up
against
rocks,
cliffs,
stonewalls,
and
these
just
appear
to
be
very,
very
steep.
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We're
at
plus
minutes,
we
have
voltage
reversals
back,
that
appears
to
be
a
memory
data,
not
viewing
data
.
Like
in
a
circular
area,
something
dug
out
of
the
rocks,
there's
statues
in
front
of
it
and
some
park
benches
.
All
right.
We
have
a
general
idea.
We
have
voltage
reversals
back
to
normal
now,
so
we
feel
that
you're
processing
memory
information
as
opposed
to
site
information.
Yah,
I
agree.
I'm
having
a
little
trouble
breathing.
Okay
.
My
sinuses.
We
can
see
electrically
when
you
were
falling
off
and
I
think
that
the
only
information
we
can
depend
on
from
what
your're
reporting,
you're
coming
up
in
voltages
as
I'm
talking
to
you.
Let
me
back
your
frequencies
out
and
get
ready
to
play
it
back.
I
think
that
we
can
depend
upon
the
data
concerning
east
of
the
river
and
up
against
the
mountains.
That
appears
to
be
pretty
much
valid.
It's
a
possibility
anyway.
Interesting
possibility.
Okay
we
going
to
load
the
bait
in
here
and
give
you
a
little
signal
to
come
back
now.
Turn
on
my
light.
I'm
going
to
fry
my
brains
with
this
light
in
here.
You
need
to
get
a
rheostat
and
give
it
to
Bob
as
a
gift.
Okay,
if
you'll
just
there
just
a
minute
while
we
watch
your
voltages.
Okay
we're
at
plus
minutes.
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2. DATE $U6M!T?£D
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PROJECT FRANCIS
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4. KTOKT Of FINDINGS
On
March
1984,
Source
was
interviewed
concerning
SUBJECT.
Source
stated
in
substance
as
follows:
SUBJECT’S
physical
condition
was
"not
very
good."
HE
had
chosen
not
to
eat.
SUBJECT
believed
that
HE
was
going
to
be
held
for
a
certain
time
and
then
eliminated.
HE
may
have
learned
this
from
HIS
captors.
SUBJECT' s
abduction
was
a
joint
effort
of
two
separate
groups.
The
smaller
of
these
groups
was
the
stronger
of
the
two.
There
was
a
sharing
(not
further
identified)
in
this
city
(not-
further
identified)
between
these
two
groups.
One
of
these
groups
was
similar
to
the
"Red
Brigade"
(not
further
.identified).
The
other
group
was
quasi-political,
based
in
extreme
Southern
Europe
and
was
not
well
known.
This
group
had
a
political
name,
possibly
a
man's
name;
it
was
a
short
name,
less
than
three
syllables
and perhaps
began
with
an
F.
Source
stated
that
a
river
flowed
through
the
city
where
SUBJECT
was
being
held.
The
river
runs
north,
northeast
to
south,
southeast.
SUBJECT
was
east
of
the
river
in
a
residential
area
up
against
very
steep
rocks
and
cliffs
with
many
stonewalls
(not
further
identified).
This
was
a
residential
area
with
old
buildings
and
narrow
cobblestone
-
streets
.
There
was
a
" Y"
in
the
river
and
a
domed
church
east
of
the
river.
The
entire
eastern
side
of
the
city
was
cliffs,
rocks
or
hills.
Five
degrees
(not
further
identified)
from
where
SUBJECT
was
being
held
was
a
circular
area
with
statues
against
a
rock
wall.
Mountains
partially
circled
the
city
South
of
the mountains
were rolling
hills
and
farms
.
West
of
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