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#1
See.. uh.. the
end of
the building.
#66
Alright.
Look over
the end of
the building and
tell
me what’s
there.
#1
Flat gray area.
A roof of some sort....
#66
Look
a little
farther
away.
A little bit further
away from the building,
more of
a
45 degree angle,
and describe
it
to me.
#1
There's
a.. some
roads .. that
' s
to
the
left.. 45 degrees
to
the
left.. some
roads.. more buildings. .and there’s
a.. and
there’s
a. .some. .. .construction
(not audible)
equipment and
a.. looks
like
a.. a circular
building
and water
.
#66
OK.
Don’t get too far away from the building
in your
description.
#1
That’s
a wall..
building.
#66
OK.
Come
on back
now,
come on back now
to
the building
itself.
Right where you were.
Now which end of
the
building
are you on?
#1
The.
. .a.
#66
Do you
recognize
this end from this morning?
#1
Uh .... direction of
the arrow,
I drew an arrow.
, .arrow
ends
...the building.
#66
The way you were facing
this morning?
#1
Correct.
#66
OK.
And you're
at that end of
the building?
#1
Correct.
#66
Alright.
If you'd
look down,
straight down
the edge
of
the building
and what do you perceive
to be straight
down.. if you
look straight down
the edge of
the building.
#1
Uh..see
a
large gray area.
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All right.
flat roof.
Large gray square.
Okay.
That’s fine.
Move out into the large gray square
and look back at the end of the building.
See opening. . .tunnel like. . .square opening. .
Square opening?
All right.
Study this opening very carefully.
(Pause)
Describe in
detail this opening.
. . .uh. . .it’s got a...it’s like
a,
some kind of catwalks
on both sides of the opening.
How high?
PAUSE
Halfway (not audible).. .looks a big warf.
What makes you say that?
There’s a water,
and
...water,
and catwalks going out to the
water.
All right
and,
that’s on the end of the building?
On the end of the concrete building.
All right.
Pine.
That’s very good.
That's very good.
Describe your position of observation as you see this.
Huh. .. .standing in water. . .standing in ice that's what
I'm standing in.
All right.
Now, very slowly, how far... first of all...how
far are you from the building as you see this?
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#66 :
Uh...300 feet.
All right.
Move 100 feet from the building,
and tell me
....move up
so you are 100 feet from the building.
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#1
OK.
#66
Now describe
it.
#1
Large.. large square opening.
A wall with large
platforms on
the side and.. uh.. got overhead
tracks
like
inside
the building.
See. .the. .uh. .the overhead
tracks.
#66
OK.
Now
I don't want you to get into the building yet.
I want you
to stay outside
the building.
#1
That's outside
the building.
There's
a.. there's
a
roof
thing
there cover.
#66
OK.
Moving, moving now
feet from the building.
#1
OK.
#66
Now describe
the opening down at your
level.
#1
Uh. .it's
a.. it's
a.. large square tunnel.
Looks
like
the other
end of
the ramp.
It's
a.. open about.. about
feet above
the water.
#66
OK.
There's
a. .it. .you're standing on water,
still.
Is
that what
I understand?
#1
Yes.
#66
Alright.
And.
.
. it
' s .
.
. the building
is what?
Explain
to me
a
little bit more.
#1
Uh. .walls . .wall of building
is
in front of me and there's
an opening.
It's up high.
It's
up high.
Bottom edge
is
about.. wait
a minute.. I'm having
trouble here
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#66
OK.
Relax and concentrate.
#1
There's
a.. look
like
a platforms.
They go across.. go
across
the wall.
#66
OK.
#1
The bottom has openings
in
the.;.....
platforms and there's
(not audible)
catwalks coming out from the platforms and
openings
tall like an opening
(not audible)
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#66
Alright.
What's your position of observation?
#1
In
the middle of.. a#. .gray square.
#66
Alright.
Now,
stand on
the platform on
that catwalk.
#1
...they’re different.
OK.
I’ll.. .standing
Catwalks come out of
the platform
on
the platform.
#66
Alright.
Now.
Look
down.. what's down..
back where you came
from.
Look
#1
Water
.
#66
Alright.
down?
Turn around
180 degrees and
look down.
What's
#1
Nothing
.
It's wall.
It’s wall.
#66
OK.
#1
There's
a ..stuff behind
a wall.
Very.. very strange.
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behind
the wall
....(not audible)
. .or
something.
Large,
large engine
type machine.
#66
OK
#1
I don't know what
it
is.
#66
Is
this
inside of
the building or outside of
the building?
#1
It's
in
the bottom of the building behind
the wall.
#66
I want you
to move out away . .outside again,
back on
the
water where you were.
Back out
to the 300 foot mark,
300
feet out.
Tell me when you're
there.
#1
OK.
OK.
#66
Now,
I want you
to scan from the extreme
left
to the extreme
right so you can see
the whole
in-surface of that big
building.
From the extreme
left
to the extreme right.
#1
OK.
#66
How many openings are there?
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Three.
Three openings.
#66
Describe which one we were
just
at.
Which one had you
previously been describing?
#1
Middle opening.
#66
Alright.
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#1
There* s some minor
dif ference-they all look alike.
..have my back on some
kind of door
back
to
the
+20
thing
that*s closed... or all three doors
are alike..
all three tunnels are alike.
See catwalks
in
the
middle.
OK.
To
the
left there* s a.. there *s
a
catwalk along
the wall.
There's
a platform,
and
there's
a. .a. .like. .another catwalk.
On
the
left
third. .there
' s another catwalk.
On
the right there's
another catwalk on
the right wall.
#66
OK.
Now. .... .describe your position of observation.
#1
Got one of
these.. my back
to the
sea.
#66
..and what's
in front?
#1
building and
the bays.. the parking bays.
#66
Alright.
Now we're §oing
to try something new here.
I want you
to stand
there,
looking
at
the building,
just like you're doing
now.
If
I understand correctly,
you're standing
in
the water,
the sea
to your back and
the building
to your
front.
Is
that correct?
#1
Yes.
#66
Alright.
Now listen very careful.
While you're
standing
there
I want you
to close your
eyes.
Close your
eyes,
eventhough your
still standing
there,
but you can't see
anything at all.
Have you done
this?
#1
Yes.
#66
Now,
when you open your
eyes again,
it will be January
1,
1980.
When you open your
eyes
again,
it will be
January
1,
1980.
I want you
to describe
the area
at
that
time
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