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SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE
Interview Summary
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On
110900
April
1983,
source
#01
was
interviewed
by
#66
in
an
attempt
to
obtain
information
relevant
to
the
activities
of
-
April
1983,
at
a
designated
location.
The project
8305
sponsor
had
provided
a
photograph
of
the area
(see
Incl
1).
(S/CL-ZINOCOM)
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For
this
interview
source
was
provided
a
sealed
envelope
containing
the
photograph
provided
by
the
sponsor.
Source was
told
to
focus
his
attention
on
the
area
designated
in
the
photograph.
Source
was
not
shown
the
photograph
or
given
any
other
identifying
data.
The
collection
plan
called
for
the
use
of
this
information
as
"feedback"
and cuing
for possible subsequent
interviews.
3.
(U)
A transcript
of
the
interview was
prepared
including
a
narrative
explanation
of
the
drawing
which
source
provided
( see
Incl
)
.
4.
(U)
A
DA
Form
341
(Agent
Report)
was
prepared
for
the
sponsor.
This
report
related
the
salient
points
of
the
interview.
Attached
as
a
exhibit
to
the
DA
Form
341
was
a
copy
of
source's drawings
(see
Incl
3).
Incl
as
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TRANSCRIPT
#66:
This will
be
a
CENTER LANE
Interview
for
0900
hours
April
1983.
Concentrate
now,
concentrate
and
focus
your
attention. .on
the
area
depicted
in
the
photograph
in
the
sealed
envelope
I've
provided
you,
solely
and
completely
on
this
area.
Focus
today
April
1983,
April
1983.
Describe
your
perceptions
to me.
#01:
....I
have
a
perception
of.. of
a
plateau
area
to
the. .southwest,
there
are
mountains
ah,
rail
line,
going,
west and
east,
city,
boy
I'm
up
really
high.
#66:
Move
down
to
the
specific
area
designated
in
the
photograph
.
#01:
There's
an
open
area
with
the
rail,
can't
tell
if
it's
road
or
a
rail.. see
a... group
of
heavy
trucks
to
one
side.... A
high
skeletal
a
type
object,
made
of
metal
inner
connected
metal
Keep
getting
overlay
from
a.. I
think
it's
overlay,
I
deep getting
an
impression of
a familiar place.
#66:
Describe.
#01:
Ah.. got
a
five
lane
road
crossing
a
bridge
to
the
left,
borders
a
row
of
buildings
a
..shape
of
an
"A",
a modified
"A",
smoke
stacks nearby..
#66:
Okay.
Return
back
to
the
place
of
the
trucks
and
skeletal structure
and describe
other
things
in
the
area
.
#01:
Just
a minute,
I
getting all kinds
of
images..
#66:
Just
relax
and concentrate.
#01:
Seeing
a... armored
vehicles
apparently,
tracks.
They're
dispersed,
not
in
neat
,
but
parked
in
various
places.
Keep
seeing
rail
line
like
it's
a..
a
marshaling yard
of
some
kind.
#66:
Okay.
I
want
you
to
hold
your
attention
now
in
this
area
and
let
me
communicate
with
the
control
room
for
a
minute.
Okay,
fine.
I've
been
given
the
go
ahead
from
the
control
room.
We
are
now
going
to
do
some
time
exercises .. .Holding
your
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position
in
space,
holding
your
position
in
space,
the area you now perceive,
move
through
time
to
one
day,
8 April
1983,
8 April
1983.
Focus
now
on
the
activities
of
April
1983.
Describe
those
activities,
8 April,
8 April,
to me.
#01:
I
see
a.. a
lot
of
armor
being
taken
off
the
trains
and
square
boxes
being
taken
off
the
trains.
All
seem
to
be
flat
cars,
a
lot
of
organizing,
alot
of
unloading
and.. heavy
trucks
being
loaded and
some
kind
of.. long,
very
long
thin
containers
on
flat
cars.
They're being unloaded.
#66
Okay.
For
clarification,
you
perceive
of
the
unloading
of
rail
cars?
#01:
...That's correct.
#66:
Now,
the
things
that
are
unloaded
from
the
rail
cars,
what happens
to
them?
#01
#66
#01
# 66
:
# 01
:
# 66
:
# 01 :
I will wait.
...There's
a
..the
smaller
things,
the
larger
boxes
and
things
are
being
put
into
very
large
trucks ... .They
' re
driving,
they're
driving
out
of
them. .no.
. .they' re
staying
in
the
marshaling
yard,
but
they're
driving
over
to
like
a.. a
large
containment,
containment
area.
They're
just
parking
there.
All
right.
Now
let's
move
in
time
one
more,
move
in
time,
holding
your
position
in
space,
focus
now
on
April,
April,
the
following
day,
April
83.
Focus
solely
and
completely
on
the
events
April
1983.
....See
more
trains
being
unloaded,
convoys
going
out
the
rail
yard
area
in
a
southeasterly
direction.
Seem
to
running
parallel
to
the
rail
line
and
then turning more
south.
Give me
a brief
list
of
the
items.
See
tanks .. a .. trucks ,
somekind
of
a
APC
type
thing
it
looks
like,
but
it's
got
wheels .... Keep .. keep
getting
an
impression
of
these
long
flat
trailers
with .. .wheels ,
but
.
. ah
.
.
. long
narrow
boxes
on
and
the
convoys.
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#01
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# 01
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# 66
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# 01 :
#66
#01
#66
#01
#66
#01
#66
#01
I
didn't understand
that
last statement.
In
the convoys.
All
right.
Now
just
to
summarize
the
events
of
April.
I
understand
that you perceive
things
being
unloaded
from
rail
cars,
placed
on
truck
carrying
devices
and moved
to someplace else?
That's
correct.
All
right.
Let's
move
in
time
once
again.
Move
now
to
April,
the
events
of
April
1983,
April
1983.
There's
a.. see
the
same
things,
just
on
a
lower,
a
lower
key,
not
so
much
activity.
This
rail yard
is
just
gutted
with.
.
.
all
kinds
of
armor
and
material
and
people
is
just.
.
.
packed,
completely packed with trains
and
things.
The
events
of
the
tenth seem to be
less?
It's
like
they're
not
moving
it
anymore,
they're
just,
it's
just
there,
piled
up and waiting.
Piled on
the trains
or piled off
the trains?
Off
the trains.
All
right.
Now,
we
are
going
to
be
able,
I
still
have several days
to
go
through
and
we
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
devote
a
great
deal
of
time
to
each
day.
But
there
may
be
significant
events
that
appear
different
than
what
you've
already
had,
on
the next
few days.
Therefore,
I would
like
to move
now
in
time
and
be
brief
in
your
descriptions
and
then we will move
to
the
following
window.
Tell
me
when you're ready.
Hmm ,
hmmm
.
11 April,
11 April.
.
....It's pretty much
the
same
as
the 10th..
12 April,
12 April.
...No
change,
but
I
get
a
sensation
of
extreme
tenseness
.
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#66:
Explore.
# 01
:
#66:
You've
got
to
say
again,
Control,
I
didn't
hear.
You don't have
to whisper,
you
can
talk
loud.... All
right.
Focusing
now
on
the
events
of
the
12th
April
#01:
..I
get
a.. sensation
that
the .. tenseness
in
two
areas,
..one
in
this
location
and ... tenseness
elsewhere,
one
predicates
the
other,
like
one's
predicates
the other.
#66:
Focusing
on
the
12th,
describe
in
depth
the
perceptions
of
tenseness
at
this
area,
the
area
depicted
in
the photograph.
#01:
....Just
see waiting.
#66:
All
right.
#01:
And tenseness,
I don't
know.
#66:
All
right.
Describe
the
event
which
is
the
cause
of
the tenseness.
#01:
Get
an
impression
of
a... just
a
room
full
of
people,
some,
somebody's
talking.. lot
of
white
sensation
of.. I
want
to
say
death,
but
I 'm not
sure
.
.
#66:
Describe
the
raw perceptions you have.
#01:
Have
this
room
keeps
getting
whiter...
and
there's
two
kinds
of
people
in
the
room,
there
' s ... like
people
that
are
all
worried
and
upset
and
then
I
get
an
impression
of
the
room
getting
very
light,
like someone ... just
someone
dying,
I
don't
know how
to explain
that.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
..It's
too complicated.
#66:
All
right.
Let's move
on
to
activities
on
the
next
day.
Focus now on
13 April,
13 April,
13 April.
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# 01
:
Hmmmm,
da,
things
being
shifted
around
a
little
bit.
Increased
hyper-tenseness .. at
this
staging
place.. get
a
feeling
of
a
staging
place
now. .a. .sense
feelings
of
anxious
a,
anxiousness,
anger,
delay,.. feel
like
something
very
political
is going
on.
All
right.
Tell
me
the
physical
events
you
perceive
.
Ah
.
.
.
Physical activity
Lines
of
vehicles
on
road,
being moved
on
the
road
and
tanks
being
spaced
out,
as
if
they're
being
staged.
Vehicles
moving
up
and
down
the
road,
..very
few
roads,
seems
to
be
two
major
roads
involved.
Events surrounding
the
rail
roads
More aircraft,
there's more aircraft
too,
flying
in
the
area,
rotary
wing
aircraft,
. .helicopters,
rail-head
is
are
very
active,
clearing
the
trains.. from the rail yard.
Describe clearing
the
trains.
Empty
trains
of many
cars
are
leaving.
Like
cuing
up
to
leave.
Okay,
examine
these
trains
carefully.
Is
there
anything
on any
of
these trains?
....Ah..
I
see
an
impression
of
people.
It's
very
weird.
. .People
that
are
not
happy.
It's
they're
being forced
to
leave
the
area
That's
all
I
get
is
the
impression
of
the trains.
Okay.
Move
now
to
the
14th,
April,
April,
the activities
of
14 April.
Very
late,
April,
I
see
these,
like
a.. foreign
elements
of... armor
and
helicopters
and
things
moving
down
this
road .. specif ic
locations
are.. are...
I
want
to
say
targeted,
but
I
don't
get
an
impression
of
targeted,
it's
like
they
' re. .going
and
fixing
a .. themselves
at
strategic
locations,
like .. .a
. .mountain passes
of some kind.
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#66:
Okay,
how
about
the
events
of
the
rail
yard,
activities
of
the
rail yard
on
the
14th?
#01:
I
got
more
trains
arriving
and... more
things
being
off
loaded.
Seems
like
as
much
as
they
can
get
out
of
the
rail
yard,
they
keep
replacing,
by
unloading
more trains.
#66:
Is
there anything
on
the
trains
that
leave
the
rail
yard?
#01:
No,
I
don't
get
any
impression
of
anything
leaving
the
rail yard.
#66:
All
right.
Let's
move
now
to
the
15th,
April,
April,
activities
of
the
rail
yard
area,
April
.
#01:
I
can't
a,
I
can't
get
anything,
I
think
I'm
losing
it.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
A.. I'm getting
too
much
overlay,
and
I
can't
fight
it
off.
#66:
Describe overlay.
#01:
Everything's coming
to dead
stop.
#66:
Break
that
out.
#01:
It's
like everything's
frozen
in motion.
Can't
get
any
input
of
anything
moving
or .. anything,
just
everything
stopped,
you
know,
like photo....
#66:
Okay.
Let's
try
for
the
16th,
April,
April,
activities,
events
16 April.
#01:
Can't
get anything.
I've lost my concentration
now.
#66:
Okay,
I
understand...!
want
to
now
ask
you
to
explore beyond
the
confines
of
my questions.
Relax
and
concentrate
and
ask
yourself
if
there
is
anything
that
needs
to
be
covered
that
I
have
not
asked.
Relax
for
a moment,
relax and
I will wait.
#01:
Even
though
they're
covered,
they're
empty,
there
' s .. these
trains
are.. covered
in
a
way,
can't
tell
if
it's
canvas
or., just
thin
covers,
but
they're empty. .when
they
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#66:
Okay.
If you will wait
just
a
minute,
I'm going
to
communicate
with
Control.
Control
room,
you
were
saying
something
a
minute
ago,
but
I
didn't
hear
you
I
agree... All
right,
is
there
anything
else you have
to add before we
end
the
session?
#01:
No.
#66:
Okay,
fine.
I
ask
you
to
remember
the
images
you
had
of
this area depicted
in
the photograph
so
that
you might draw them for
me.
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