Approved For Release 2000/08/@ #663 O7: +28 66% #07: #663 +30 #07: #66: #07: Approved For Release 2000/¢ A96"007 88R000400760001-5 Describe their composition to me. Appears to be..--a reddish, doughey, dough like, thick, like the latest playdoa. It's got 2 veTyee.. It's plastic but pliable.....consistency. That seems to be contained in this hot dog shape. Hell, it looks exactly like a hot dog to me, but the bun, bun portion seemed to be vibrating, pushing outward....great pressure. I just caught it. It might went in time. [ don't know what happened to it. It's..eit's not much. All right. Let's try to recapture thal moment. But, this time ask yourself for a picture of the test, a picture of the test. Ask yourself for a picture of the test and describe this picture to me. PAUSE I must be too close. I've got to try again. I kept getting imagery I can't describe. Fell like I...close as I could describe it...I ...it was like about one inch away from the candle flame looking at it with great detail with one eye I could see a very hot inner proportion with a wick and bands of color going out from there. Out to.. different colors on the way out and it was vibrating and it looked kind of shaped pointed top like, like candle flame and the sides were curved like a flame and moving outwards. 1 kept seeing all kind of «razy colors. It's weeeeeedon't mean anything to me. I'm going to back off. All right. As you back off away from it, simply put a filter up in front so as to block these distracting images so that you can see very clearly. Simply put a filter up in front of you so that you'll block these distracting things and you can see very clearly. Hmmm...1t looks..uh..it looks like a pear (phonetic) shaped thing. Just blew it all to heli! I'm getting mixed up with overlay. It's somethiny I experienced several months back. Report. It feels like I feels like a smart bomb hit a cement bunker, cement hangerette type enclosure, and just as it was just going all to pieces I saw red streaks impinging (phonetic) on it from another, another angle..... IT don't know what to make of that. PUC-00788R000400760001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RRP96-00788R000400760001-5 #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: #07: 66: #07: +35 #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/: All right. But, I, I was comfortable with the torps(phonetic) pear shape disintegrating, and then L was overwhelmed with the smart bomb idea. I don't know..... Tf! just..... How did the bomb come to disintegrate? How did it come to this condition? I don't know. It was...at about a 45 degree angle to the earth's surface. Appeared to have penctrated. It was either stored or penetrated. I just caught it in position disintegrating. Then, I suddenly got « memory trace of some other, some other stuff I'd worked On. seereecere Okay. seeeoes somewhere else. I, I think the smart bomb bunker must be overlay. It's so close to somr work that I did with the camouflaged people. PAUSE All right. Let's focus solely on the imagery from this session then. Wipe out the overlay...solely on the imagery from this session. Describe how this torpedo like object is sitting right now. Uh..-hell, it isn't. It's...! caught it kind of disintegrating. Let me back up. Back up in time and describe how it's sitting. Appears to be pointing down a Little Hit, but...... Oh! Hell. I can't handle thise...ewhen you said...pspp(phonetic) pspsps (phonetic) skylights sitting 1 saw a cradle rack. I didn't see that before, S0.-eeel think I just...... Did I understand you to say something about cement, cement block of some kind? I said cement...bunker like thing. like a cement hangerette. And, then you said, That...what is il that is in this bunker? I see an aircraft that I think is in there, but, this torpedo thing seems to definitely be in there. Move forward in time now and watch fur this disintegration that you detected. Describe what happens as you move forward in time. 0400760001-5
¢ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5 #07: #663 #07: #66: +41 #07: #66: #07: EGG: #07: #663 #66: I see an aircraft or a model of an aircraft inside of something. Brightly lit from below. | ike an explosion or a flash or something underneath it. I can't wees hummmmm... I see wires going all over patte (phonetic) pattern of.....1 don't know. I've...feeling they're some kind of sensors. Something to do with the wires, Now, I've lost the torpedo, it's... Ilhis is too slow. IT can't handle it. Too slow...white blue light. Dirt. There's an explosion. That's about il All right. Now, you've watched through time the torpedo object, and you've watched several events happen through time. I'm interested to know how that time of that relates to present time, right now. Ave we looking at the future; are we looking at the past; are we looking at the present? Gosh! I don't know. I didn't know there was time. If was just..... I was just.....I was just sitting here looking...+«. LT have to work on that. All right. Watch the sequence...--+-- Hold it! God damn! I don't know. Ihnere's some stray input there....a big .eemetal sphere with....some kind of precision tubes sizely positioned, kind'a into it. It just hit me. 1 don! t know what it is. I'm going to work on time now. Okay. As a suggestion to work on the time situation, follow the sequence through one more lime, and when you get to the flash point then look at your calendar and tell me what day it is. PAUSE I don't know. I keep...1 keep seeiny Che seven mixed with something (Mumbling) I'm sorry. The Flash keeps getting in the way. Let the flash ask, let the flash act ‘to illuminate the date so you might see it better. Let the flash act to illuminate the date so you may see il better. I've got a....-kind of ...----+> God dian! Okay. Relax and look at it for a moment; just relax and look at it for a moment while T turn over the tape. Okay. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5 #07: #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: #O7: +50 #663 {#07: #66: #O7: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96:0 I can't handle it. I gotta, I gotta seven ‘an a nine, it's jus' ...uh...1 can't choose between them. L understand you're having difficulty |acusing on some sort of time matrix with the events you've seen. That's fuzzy, you know, the way it curves to the left at the top. It could be a seven or a nine. It's near the top of the calendar..--+- Okay. we eees in second row. Okay. Let's examine your imagery once again, and for this we're going to need a flash filter as we watch once again the events, the torpedo object, we need a flash filter so that you won't be blinded by the flash, and that you'll be able to see clearly the altitude of the explosion. Follow the events through ime once again, and describe the altitude of the explosion. Uh...it looked to me like it was...-.. if was under an aircraft. I thought the aircraft was inside something. An....i understand that you feel that the aircraft is not airborne when the explosion happcns? I didn't think it was. I saw...it could be...noise of the bunker hangerette thing. But, I kopt seeing the bunker hangerette thing. I was Jookiny out to try and see what was in there..--.-. and I sav this aircraft which a flash lit it up from underneath. I looked around for the .....to see if the walls of the hangerette was gone, and I couldn't see it anymore. I just saw black and everything was gone. I lost it. From that, 1 just assumed I was somewhere close to ground level. The torpedo like thing WaSe...eewhen it went was about 45 deqree angle nose down (mumbling) got a flash of some kind af racks about that time....uh..-.the nose of this thing...-- kind of funny. Describe the magnitude of the explosion. L don't know how to do that. Would you call the explosion small, medium or large? I can't deal in relativity. If say this thing ought'a....-- raise hell with four feet of...-.one iss a hydrogen bomb; it's small. Other's ...is...uh....--” hundred pounder...-- it's pretty good size. Something elevtronic seems important. That could be recording. Taw ee 0400760001-5
ERS: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CrrEneem99800788R000400760001-5 #66: qfO7: #66: #07: #66: #O7: #66: #O7+ #66: #07: #66: #07: #663 4107: All right. We've been at this for quite a while now. I have no other specific questions aboul this target. But, I would like for you now to comment as you see Fit on the imagery that you have seen. What I saw...it seemed conflicting because { suspect overlay. Testing was feeling was strony..-.explosion and disintegration seems strong; informition and data collection seemed fairly strong. And, what is the nature again of this information that's to be collected. I don't know. I just observed. I...never asked myself that. 1 assumed it was gather data on....+-1 don't know ceeeee destructive force, I guess. All richt. Anything else you would like to add before you draw those perceptions that you have had? No. Exeept that.....-- one point there trying to slow down disintegration my pulse got awfully heavy and eratic. Almost felt like..... eancelling out. I don't know what caused it. That's about all I have to add. Okay. Fine. Let's draw the perceptiuns that you've had. We would like to have some pictures here..uh. number one of the torpedo like object that you have perceived. SO, it's good to do that one. Excuse me. My mike cord's caught on something. It was just me. I was standing on it. You were standing on my cord! Okay. Now, I saw the thing as though it were pointed downwicds to my left. Redo it again, then. Yeah. I just want to see if I can qe! the feel of it with black pencil, and I'1ll...--++- Okay. I couldn't...back along this point, ! get the shape too well past this point, but I felt back a few feet past that there was some kind of....--must have been fins or something..-.. 1 couldn't get it vxactly straight, but rather than it being long with the sides parallel, it seemed to have a nice curve to it...Uh...at one point sometime very late, I saw a thing that was shaped....-- on the end I saw something very weird like that. I've never seen anything like it, and it could have been just overlay of some type, but I did see just about this portion...cees ev aevenesere eee e cern enn eeneee . Approved For Release 2000/08/0#==@pteitiaP 96 -00788R000400760001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ax 6-00788R000400760001-5 #66: Okay. Then, you said that you had to report something that was very vague, and made no sense, and it looked like molecules connected together with tubes or something. #O7: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it leoked like, well, it looked like a model of, you know, you might sce effective some molecule or DMA or something. I've seen pictures Of ..... #66: Like you see in a school science class or something. #07: Yeah, yeah. Big marbles with shafts connecting between them the shafts being (mumbling) eight or ten times the diameter of the sphere. I tried to finure that out. I don't know what happened then. #66: Okay. I asked you what that had to do with this session. What days this figure that you said had to do with this target, and then you said something about tests and data. #07: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I saw computers and computer printouts zapping out, and I really felt that this was..uh.. testing or evaluation of something very strong. I don't know why. #66 Okay. I think at this point we were a little bit lost in time, and we didn't know exactly where we were. Do you have anything else on theguidance in time? What are we talking about here as far as a time for an occurrance for this event? #O7s I thought the, I thought the..uh..the paper printout was after the event, not before, and | felt that data crunch was to better understand what had happened. Therefore, this implied to me that a ycreater understanding of what the phenomenal was, was desired. They said test to me...is how I arrived at that. #66: And, this test, in itself, this whole thing called the test, how does that relate in time to us right now sitting in this room? #07: I don't...I'm not sure. I don't know. IT didn't play with the time thing too long. Only tuwards the end, as I remember. Oh, I, I tried to look al a calendar and trying to see the month. IL couldn't make that out whether it was a plain, square, white calendar with big block, black letters, and I thought I was into the second row. I thought...1 thought seven or nine because whatever it was it seomed to be heavier at the top, and that's interpretation, you know...seven oF nine...-single diget. ...Now, I did see other diget come it faint in lattering 12 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5 #07: #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: #07: #66: #07: EGE: tone but I didn't use 'em in this. The heavy black numbers were what 1 thought what I gave you. Uh.. as to whether it's future or past relative to now...... the nature of your question somewhere along the linc would indicate this is logic. Wide awake logic tells me that it was, I think you said past (twenty-four hours or something. Well, we started out trying to work aclivities of the past twenty-four hours, but..... Logic would tell mc it was some...... where in the past but I feel, I feel future. Okay. What makes you say that? What': the feeling? I don't know. Just a Funny feeling | felt, I felt very, very nervous and hyper-and my pulse quickened. I wanted to get away from there, and | kept feeling well, there's still time. I can get uway from here. The thing was disintegrating around it. I felt it's okay. I can get away from here, and 1 felt pretty calm, and, just from that feeling I have a kind of feeling it might be in the future. I felt I had Lime, and it was going to ccecur..... emay be relative tr, ot other time. I don't know. But, I didn't play with the time thing too much other than some of these sutlie feelings...... like that. Okay. Is there anything else you wouid like to add now? No. Don't ask me to draw those molecule things. It was quite comp---I saw a lot of complex shapes. The heat expanding outward, greater in the horizontal positian than the upper position the way they peaked. The very sharp point above rather than a round mushroom thing. It was like the heat was moving outward rather than upward. But, that was about it. Okay. Anything else then? Can't think of anything. That will be it then. 13 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000400760001-5
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