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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION D-62
1.
(S/NOFORN)
This report documents
a remote viewing session conducted
in
compliance
u/ith a request for information on a target of
interest.
The
mission was to describe
the activity within
a building located at a airfield
SG1B
in
2.
(S/NOFORN)
The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as
raw intelligence data,
and,
as such,
have not been subjected
to any inter-
mediate analysis,
evaluation
or collation.
Interpretation and use of
the information provided is the responsibility
of the requestor.
3.
(S/NOFORN)
The protocol used for this session
is detailed
in the document
Grill Flame Protocol,
AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol
(S),
undated.
4.
(S/NOFORN)
Following is
a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session.
At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of
the target site.
At TAB B
is target cuing
information pro \ided the remote
viewer.
5.
(S/NOFORN)
This session was conducted at the special request of
the
customer.
Due to administrative workload,
the project manager handcarried
the tape to the customer on 29 September
1980,
and all concerned studied
the tape.
This transcript is provided in order
to give them a permanent
record
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This will be a remote viewing session for the
25 September
1980, with a start time of 1430 hours.
Testing,
testing.
PAUSE
Okay #31,
it's time to start today's session.
I want to go
SG1B
over some of
the details with yoi^qain.
Your target will
be designated
by
the map sheetHHH
On that map sheet,
target that we are interestec^ii^i^located at coordinate
HHHH
1,11 say again
I want you
to focus your
SG1B
attention at that big heav^uilding that you were told about
before that
is at that location.
Focus now,
in time,
to normal
working hours,
yesterday.
The normal working hours yesterday
at the target.
Move now to the target and describe it for me.
Relax and concentrate.
PAUSE
Umm.
. .got the.
. .umm. . .I'm feeling of the. . .humm.
.
. ..hallway
,
hallway with some inside squares making them smaller like
ah,
door frames in the hallway,
'm moving around.
I'm
going down a... a hall,
kind 'a
like bulk heads and,
I'm
in the hall...
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Okay.
Now,
listen carefully,
now.
When you
last looked
at
this target
it was almost two-weeks
ago,
and at that time you
moved ahead
in time,
one
day
at
a time for fifteen
days.
That fifteen days was up two days ago,
approximately.
Now,
what
I want you
to do
is compare how things,
when you,
things
were when you looked at it on the 8th of September
to now,
and
tell me are there any
changes.
PAUSE
#31:
I
have a... got
a long area,
area like has,
ah,
a funny thing
sticking out of
a
(mumble),
and sort of up high.
Have
a thing
that looks like
a,
a long trough,
a trough which appears to be
on
a platform waist high,
and it's open to allow access to
one half
of the trough,
and there are things in
it.
The
trough
is,
umm,
filled
I
don't know where
I
am here.
Sort of unfamiliar.
I'm trying to find my old place.
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Okay.
Take your time.
If you can't find yourself inside
the
building,
why don't you
go outside,
and look around until you
orientate yourself
.
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Umm...this is inside.
I
am inside.
I understand that,
and,
if you,
if you can't find yourself,
maybe you can
go outside,
and look around until you see
something familiar.
Okay.
Okay?
I have a feeling
of a fencing,
and,
ah... two round things.
One
on either side
of me.
The roundish knobs on the building,
now,
they... they only seem to protrude
a,
a little ways up
above the
top of the other part,
and not,
ah,
very far...
these areas,
I'm going
in the left one.
Okay
PAUSE
There's,
ah,
it's a... I
got this,
ah,
sort of buttress round
feeling again.
Seems right. . .seems sort of deep,
maybe like
20 feet below ground. ..where
I
came
in.
I'm going down the
bottom.
Okay.
PAUSE
Umm,
I'm still getting a... Wait,
I
got
a,
ah,
I was
on
a
like cylinder,
a vertical
on
the end.
It seemed like
it was
..ah,
metal
(mumble),
and the tripod makes
it stand on end up.
I
know
it's,
ah,
sliding slowly down this thing with my arms
around it... 4 foot diameter,
maybe.
And,
I
had this thing
over on the... Oh,
yeah,
a big ball, metal ball that was,
ah,
I
saw it,
like it's over in
a corner,
but then
I was hugging the
ball,
like
it was inside the cylinder,
a big,
a big ball
in
diameter like... 4 feet,
like it would fit inside the cylinder.
It's somehow associated with the cylinder.
Tell me about the primary,
tell me about the primary activity
that takes place
at this facility.
There is no activity here now.
I,
ah,
feel that there
is
in
the corner,
somehow,
associated with this big ball.. I think
that's
it,
ah,
cylinder,
and it's got a,
ah,
it's stubbier
than this long one that stands
on end,
and,
it's like sitting
on
a pallot or
a raised part of the floor ,
and then
it has
a
box shape
on the end
of
it,
and it's ah,
about. ... .maybe
ten feet long.
I have
a idea this is
a area where some
key
parts and skins are stored,
but only
a few.
It's not
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different.
It's only
few,
and they're funny.
They're
They don't look alike.
There's this stubby
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cylinder with the box.
There's this round ball.
And in the
center
is this vertical shiny cylinder about four feet
diameter,
sorta sits
a little ways away,
but
I
don
t feel
any activity here,
now.
Okay.
Tell me,
tell me why there's no activity now.
I'm getting something.
I'm trying to resolve
it.
PAUSE
(Mumble) see people
leaving, ah.'fraid I'm outside it again.
I
think
I,
ah,
maybe at wrong time.
I,
ah,
(mumble)
a feeling
of going up
a catwalk,
and since it was bare inside this place.
I somehow got back
outside,
and
I... seeing about mmm-maybe
a
hundred people
or somebody walking out of
a big ga-entrance
door(
like they .ere leaving.
So, ah,
I wanted to work on time
here,
try
to get there during normal time
Okay.
that we want.
Okay.
Normal time.
I
have movement
of
the thing which is..etubby, and box on the end.
Lifted off
its pallet and
vi/as swung by
me,
teetering
a little bit
lik
it was lifted up.
I
saw it from below,
and it likmg(phonetic) .
.
.
Okay.
What did they do with this ps-stubby thing?
I think I'm back
in my tunnel again.
I think I'm back
in
my tunnel again.
I have feeling it's being moved °^*;^^
here
it went out the side,
after
it passed me.
I
the feeling
of movement down the,
down
the crack-tunnel again.
I
can see
it; go to following
it.
Light at the end... I
just have to follow
it until
I
see
it.
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Stay with
it.
PAUSE
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Well,
I
see it
like enter another bay.
Turn around
on its
axis.
Wobble
a little bit,
and then drop down.
Then_I,a
,
nnf
a
ah
nose off
and tail
off shot,, .like hinged.
So,
that
they can’ put their hands
in the front. .and they put their han
s
in
the back
if they had
to.
Like the stuff
is already
in
it,
but.^when you
do some adjustments.
Some adjusting and tinkering
on this bench... I mean pallet.
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Seems bigger than
I
thought.
I
see
a guy now pushing
it
out.
It's
on
a big, ah,
wagon,
and the guy has to lean
over,
and it's about his head high.
Where
is this guy taking it?
I don't know.
It's like. ..not far.
He's,
ah, moving it
to
another station.
Okay.
To another work site.
All right,
Hove with him and find out what happens
to this
thing.
PAUSE
Hmmm,
ah,
he's moving it a long way
in
a? inside-outside area.
I feel inside,
but
I
feel outside.
Like
I
am in between
buildings.
Long corridors.
I
don't know how far.
I m waiting.
I
have to go
to where
it
is.
Urn hum
(affirmative).
Going.!
I'm trying.
I keep getting this feeling of
a big
clam shell.
Something opens up and this
is,
ah somehow
elevated
up
a little bit,
and clam shell closes on
it,
and lifts
it up higher,
and you can't see it anymore.
But,
I
don
t
know where
or when
I
am here.
I... may have moved all the way
to
a bomb-bay door situation.
This is covered by... it
s metall
c
bigness up above me,
and,
it's
jus'
a bayah (phonetic)
cool
shadiness
.
Okay.
I don't know where
I am now.
All right.
Don't...
I may have wandered.
Don't worry about
it.
Remain focused on this clam shell like
object,
and move ahead
in time until this clam shell opens
up for the first time.
Hove ahead and focus
on
that.
PAUSE
Ha... next time it opens up,
huh?
Urn hum
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It's about,
umm,
thirty-five thousand feet,
and
I have
this thing go falling out towards the... past me.
And,
I
saw
it go down into this marled background far below.
It was
very,
umm,
unexpected.
Sorta made.. gave me a "rush.
.
It
just went right down while
I was,
uh,
watching
a worl
war
two movie.
This thing that went down by you,
was that the stubby object
that you've been watching?
It was a box
on the end of
it.
There was
a box on
it,
okay.
What happened when
it went down?
From that altitude,
it,
disappeared from view,
but then
I was
trying to follow
it.
I was trying to follow it for
a while.
And,
just saw
a feeling
of like
a,
well,
I felt that
l
exploded,
and that it... thing that
I
saw was
like
a,
ah,
long stemmed mushroom.
Bu-I didn't see the explosion.
But,
I,
ah,
the next thing
I
saw was like this long stemmed
mushroom,
cauliflower,
not
a mushroom,
like
a cauliflower,
b
,
that by
that time the plane was far away.
Are you saying that this thing fell from an airplane?
Yes.
Okay
I felt that
I was way high up,
and that... 'cause when the
thing opened
I was
in darkness,
and then,
there was this
marled,
and then it just went past me going down.
Okay.
I want you
to move back now to that object falling
down.
Expand your awareness with
it,
and catch up to it as
i
goes down,
and tell me where
it explodes.
PAUSE
Umm.
Okay #31,
we're about to run out of tape.
So,
you
just relax,
maintain your focus while
I change this over.
Relax.
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Okay.
Again,
I want you
that object as
it falls,
to relax and concentrate,
and follow
and tell me where
it explodes.
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Primary feeling
is
a,
ah,
some dry barren sparse area,
sandy,
dirty,
scrubby,
scrubby brush,
but,
it
s
in
a,
ah,
flat,
umm,
big proportion here.
It's in a,
ah, what am
I
looking at.
It's in a... like
a,
ah,
long,
oblong shallow
valley.
I
have the feeling like I'm at one end
of
it,
and
there's these hills
on the
left side... go off (mumble)
on the
right side there's
a bigger mountain.
Bunch
of mountains.
Runnh mn.-.Rmall bunch of mountains.
Did this thing explode when it hit the ground
or...
No.
I had the feeling of,
ah, when
I was back off looking
at
it,
'cause this... I don't know how far away
I
am.
Urn hum
(affirmative)
But,
I had the feeling of,
it went off,
oh,
oh,
it's hard to
tell,
'cause
I don't know how. . .but, it' s above the
ground,
and there's this big rushing down.
I
feeling
..was when yo
see
a rocket take off .. .there' s this big down rush and billowing
smoke.... it was
like that.
It was like everything went down
and bounced off the ground,
and then just lost all form.
h
explosion force went down and bounched off the ground.
Okay
And,
then
lost all form and just became this b,ig.....I'm getting
all the classic big bomb burst,
you know,
the big bubble and
all that stuff,
but the first thing was this idea of a... maybe.,
oh,
fifteen hundred feet
or
fikav
a half mile.
Can you
tell me,
tell me what type,
ah,
how big of
a burst this
was?
Again... I
got to get something
to calibrate myself with.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's,
let's not worry about that.
I want you
to,
'cause you've been working on
this,
and
I...
Well,
let me
go to the mountain
top.
That's
a calibration.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm on
a. ..know I'm up there.
Let me
get my feeling...
get my bearing,
I'm on a... sort of a... rocky,
dirty outcropping.
See the valley below me,
here.
I'm getting
a feel now,
wait....
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A,
I,
I
can... the feeling I'm getting is when the... I
don't
know.
When the cloud breaks contact with the ground the top of it is
about
level with the... where
I
am on the mountain side,
the
mountain
top,
and then that goes up.
It's the top
of the
roundness
is as high as
I
am.
Okay.
Are you
on
the mountain on
the right or the left?
The right side,
the bigger one that
I... thought was
on the
right.
Okay.
Very
good.
I've got two more points that
I'd like you
to
try
to answer here.
I want you
to catch
up
now,
catch up to
that airplane,
and tell me where
it lands.
Go back to the
airplane,
and follow it to where
it
lands.
Maintain your
perspective outside of the airplane.
I
just want to know where
it
lands.
PAUSE
Well,
the... seems to be
a different climate here.
Different climate?
Seems to be a little greener.
Still some mountains around,
and,
I
Do you recognize
the airfield?
No.
I don't recognize
the airfield,
but
I,
ah,
I'm trying
to
come
in with
it,
so
I
can look around when it comes
in,
and,
ah,
had this white concrete blotch on the
right,
as it.....
the airplane went by
it,
and my attention was attracted
and
it had bumps
on it like on... the building,
ah,
maybe
it
s
the building where
I
was.
It's
like
that.
Okay.
It had round bumps on
it,
like splayed out from... and as the
aircraft landed it was
on the right and the aircraft went
by
it,
and
I was like hanging in under the aircraft,
and by
my fingernails,
and
I
saw the thing go by.
Behind that building
there's
in the distance,
there's some higher hills and mountains,
Okay.
I want you
to conc-
That's all I've
got.
:
Can you concentrate
on one more question?
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(affirmative)
Okay.
In relationship
to now,
to right now,
twenty-five
September,
and a little after fifteen hundred-hours,
when
did... does this explosion occur?
In relationship to now,
twenty-five September,
little after fifteen hundred hours,
when does this explosion occur?
Humm....It ummm.
I
don't know.
I
can tell you what
I
have.
Okay.
I,
I
looked at
a line,
and
I,
ah,
like
a sliding radio station
line,
bar,
and
I
said that's ten days.
When does it happen?
And,
ah,
the thing slid
dou/n the station
one
line,
and
I
couldn
t
get
it
to stay
on the line.
I wanted
to go on off of the
line.
So,
I
said,
"Okay.
Well, that's not going to help
me.
So,
I dropped back,
and
I
said,
okay,
here is thirty days'
line.
I
said,
"This
is
the
line,
this is thirty-days,
now let
s try
it and see what happens.;
And,
bam the thing ended up about....
a
little bit,
a fraction of an inch in like four or five days
fraction of an inch
in from the other end of the thirty
day
line.
It didn't go all the way off the thirty-day
line,
it was a little
bit before the end of
the thirty-day
line.
Um hum (affirmative)
It went "s-schew"
an'
slid down there.
It just like hovered
there,
you know,
back and forth,
like it was... I
didn't want
to force
it too much.
So,
I
stopped
it.
Okay.
Okay.
I have no further questions.
Do you have
anything you'd like
to add?
M-may
I
May you what?
Never mind.
I worked it out.
Give me
a couple
o'
minutes.
PAUSE
I still don't like being here.
You don't like being....
Where this thing goes off
there
is some kind
of
a tower...
I'm at,
ah,
the place
I went back.
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I been trying to get in there,
but,
I don't want
to get in
there that much.
There is
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We've got an awful
lot
of data here.
Okay?
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Okay.
Come back to the present time,
now,
and relax,
relax,
relax
for
a few minutes,
here.
PAUSE
Okay.
We're ready, we're back
in business,
and we can do
some drawings here.
Okay?
Urn hum
(affirmative)
All right.
For all of those who listen
to the tape the
"p-s-s-s-pt"
they gonna hear is going
to be my Pepsi.
Not
the remote
viewer taking off I
Okay.
Okay.
This
is the,
the view from one
of the starting points
I
guess.
This
is
a fence
in the f orogrdunci, and.. ..I
m going
to put that
in,
in pencil
'cause it's really not that important.
Okay.
You know with posts through
it,
and everything,
okay.
The
building,
the structure,
the two round things on each end
of
it,
I still believe that this is
a,
some sort of
a angle of sorts
that makes
...sort
of
a shallow,
okay.
There's 'f'V'V
vnil
a,
there's
a "vee"
shape in here,
is what I'm trying
to show you
here
Urn hum (affirmative)
with this dotted
line.
There's some
s°rt
.
a
. di^
eren^’
lt
had that infield feeling that.... if
I stood right m the middle
ah,
I,
I was not in the building,
but somehow
I was still out
in the
open between these two round parts
of the building..
Sure.
Okay.
It was still a peculiar shaped thing.
All right.
That's
the building.
Now,
let me see..... all right.
I
got in,
ah,
the
X
I'll put a two here,
on
the left hand part,
'cause
I think that that’s where
I went,
when
I went into the
building.
When
I went
in
the building,
I
had this feeling that
I had penetrated at ground
level,
but
I
had.... I was looking
down,
maybe twenty
to thirty feet below me,
from gorund level
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the bottom of that silo round
shape
is
in underground,
'cause
I did have the definite
feeling that
I
\i/as still
u/ay over top
of what was going
on.
And,
that was,
ah,
what was going
on,
was,
if
I
can draw you
co—just
a
...some sort of
a tripod in the... center fixture
was
a tripod holding some sort of
a elongated cylinder on nose.
Feeling that
you know. ....the room went around,
hanging
down here,
I felt was
a square overhang.
I don't know how
and then the... and,
then the circle
of the room continues
around here into the foreground.
Okay?
And,
up
in under this
square overhang,
as though that had depth... some sort of
a
weird fixture was... I believe this was where this ball was,
and... a real "fat boy."
All the while
I was looking at
this thing,
I was remem- reminding,
ah,
or reminiscing,
okay,
of
the pictures
of like one of our first A-bombs.
One of
'em's
called "Fat Boy."
There's one that was real round like
a ball,
and one that was more.. .elongated
like
a classic bomb,
okay.
All the while
I was in there was this... and this guy.. .was
like
sitting over here
on this little pallet.
And,
this
is up
in under this little o verhang,
and here
is
a circular type
staircase goes out,
okay.
Still had the feeling of
the
interior buttresses
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......around the place.
This buttressing feeling,
and this feeling
of depth,
and this was positioned
in the center
of the room,
I've
drawn it a little bit off,
but it's positioned right there,
where
the
X
is.
Now,
I'll refer to the one on
the right as "Fat Boy,
I was trying
to looking for spontaneous imagery because when
I
go back to
a place that I've been before,
you know,
I worry
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bout overlay from the preceding session.
So,
when you asked
me about what activity,
I
said there was no activity.
You
asked me "how come,"
an'
sort of wandered around through
the building.
Suddenly,
I was outside and
I
saw about a
hundred people leaving
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(affirmative)
you know.
Almost like with
the classic lunch box under
their arm type thing.
That's ooh,
well, what do you know,
you know,
the reason is because I'm a little bit messed up
in time here.
You
know.
I've come at quitting time,
and
....also,
I
had
the feeling of someone walking up this
circular staircase to get out of this hole.... just before
that.
So,
I went back
in.
I tried to calibrate myself.
I
sai-
I
said to myself you know,
during working hours,
normal working hours
what happens,
and "boom,"
ole "Fat Boy"
here,
swung out....
I'll draw
a dotted arrow,
swung out like this,
and went up,
and
went that way.
Okay?
Just sort... real spontaneously ,
it
went "woosh"
like
it was on
a derrick or something,
and
it
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....just went right up past me,
and it caught me by
surprise.
Okay?
Had my tunnel feeling again,
Hum... I chased the thing
...cylinder, which
I refer
to as "Fat Boy"
or chased him down
this,
ah,
corridor with no people that was just about his size.
Just
a little bit bigger than it was square.
Like,
again,
I
had this automated movement feeling.
I didn't get all the
vibrations that
I
had before about lack
of,
you
know,
about
critical safety thing or anything like that.
Just following
him down this darkened hallway into this lighted area,
and
I
just sort of spent some time doing that.
When
I
got there,
to
where
it was
going,
I did not think that
I had arri \ed
in
another rounded place,
as
in the preceding session,
but,
rather
I
had arrived
in some sortof
a. .. .receiving place.
A, a long
low,
not a long. ..sorry .. .sort
of
a cluttered,
low ceilinged
squarish place with boxes,
and
like scaffolding around
on the
side.
Some of it even hidden from view.
PAUSE
Anyway,
I
still had this feeling of aerial floating movement,
and,
that,
and,
like
it made
a dog leg or something,
and,
then it was finally lowered down here in the room in the tore-
ground.
An'
the... to... there are other things that
I wanted
to talk about too,
that we've already
gone past in our haste
for efficiency here.
You want
to sit up here?
No.
That's okay.
I'll sit like
this.
Umm...the next thing
I
has was... ol'
"Fat Boy"
was on some sort
of
a dolly with heavy,
heavy metallic casters on it,
and. . .that' s about the size ratio
there.
Okay?
That's pretty close
to
the size ratio of. .of
man to... man
to cylinder thing.
Urn hum (affirmative)
Anyway,
and then he... wheeled out,
pushed out,
okay.
That's
three.
Following three was this
almost
as though there
was this never ending series of corridors,
and everything.
All
I could do was hold
on to the bomb,
and
just,
you
know,
stay with
it.
It was like
I went down this endless maze,
and
then suddenly,
I could not tell through the maze all of the
maze,
I couldn't tell if
I was all indoors
or outdoors
:
Urn hum
(affirmative)
....or anything.
It was really .. .very peculiar.
Like almost
I was moving
in between buildings.
:
Yeah.
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And,
then... there was this overhanging metallic thing.
Okay?
And,
I,
I couldn't
...by this
time,
I dxdn
t know
what the heck was happening,
and old,
uh.
. .the position
^
ha
happened here was... this box thing. ..this is
El Bom
o,
here.. .on,
ah,
some sort
of
a platform.
This is an en
view,
now.
Okay?
'cause the guy pushed it along,
and ^ then
suddenly
it was stopped
in under this overhanging metallic
Urn hum
(affirmative).
That's the thing that you referred
to as the clam shell?
Yeah.
That's just about to happen.
Overhanging,
metallic
I
couldn't see anything o'.. .1 didn't even.
.
.
.
' scuse
me,
I
lost my.... mike here.
A... really,
at this point
in time,
I
was pretty confused.
I didn't... I was afraid
to look around
for fear that
I'd lose my focus and go somewhere else,
an
look back
at
it.
Overhanging metallic. ..this
is,
ah,
"Fat Boy, "...this is sketch four.
"Fat Boy"
is elevated up
slightly,
and the next thing
I
saw was the clam shell thing
coming down
in under
it,
and
it going up,
an
eing
*
Like almost scooped up by
the clam shell was the feeling
had
Urn hum (affirmative)
you know,
what the heck,
if they were putting it on a
conveyor be... at that time,
I
did not know what was going
on.
I
thought
it might be some sort of
a loading thing for some
special conveyor belt,
scoop
it up in a clam shell, and.....
put
it somewhere.
Okay.
And,
my only ^ other comments this
is still the indoor-outdoor feeling.
After all
of
that
Urn hum
(affirmative)
movement
it was still
I was still very,
very puzzled
about this indoor-outdoor
type.
Okay?
These are the
shells,
and they open up... the bomb
is raised up... scooped
p
and taken up
into this....
Okay.
....what,
at that time,
I
thought was the
loading.
Then what
did you have me do?
Then,
you had me follow,
follow
it.
Yeah.
I was still following
it.
Okay,
and
I was in the darkened. ..
.
What
I
asked you next,
I asked you when did,
ah, what happens,
ah, when the clam shell
opens
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Okay.
So,
I put myself up inside,
and. ..I
just...le-,
you
know,
hanging around
in this dark place,
I
couldn
t,
I
couldn’t,
I wasn't seeing anything.
I
v/asn't perceiving
anything.
I had the feeling
of longness only,
that
it was
long and narrow,
and
I was sitting there saying,
okay,
wait
a minute,
now.
The tasking is,
"what happens when the
clam shell's open."
So,
I’ve got to stay here.
I m sort of
looking around trying to figure out where the bomb was going*
you know.
If it was
on
a conveyor or not,
and all of
a sudden,
"bam"
in under me there was open day lignt. .. .this big roun
thing fell out past me,
and in under me,
like miles below
was this landscape,
this classic aerial shot.
Thirty-five
thousand feet' type of
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....what the earth looks
like,
and, of course, y-
I have no
features from that shot.
Hum .
.
.
.
Just simply this... an'
it was really
a "rush,"
too.
Some
sort of thing like that.
PAUSE
....falling into free space is all
I
can say.
And... you
know... down behind me was...
#43.5:
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(affirmative)
...way-y-y down there,
all sorts
of a design
of
a background.
I
knew definitely that
I was up
in the air.
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Urn .
.
.
And,
this is all darkness,
all around here.
Owr(phonetic)
ah,
it's like.
. .watching it fall out
a window, was what
it
was like.
Okay?
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m hum
(affirmative)
bviously ,
bomb bay
doors,
okay.
Six.. I -before you asked
ie
to
like follow it down,
I had already tried to get down
iith
it,
and,
and, you know,
I... this thing was falling away
,nto free space,
and
I was trying to catch up
to
it,
and
I
,as having thoughts
fleeting thoughts of being with
it,
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....and the... the next thing... from a distance. ..you know,
it
was the classic idea
of this bomb slowly coming down,
pointing down,
falling through the air with trajectory in under
the airplane,
airplane disappearing. ..and,
like,
I never saw
an impact... at this point in
time,
it was like "whewww"
the
bomb disappears off the screen,
and then the next thing... was
like this big cauliflower thing.. .a long stemmed cauliflower...
PAUSE
Ah,
it's
..it's somewhere
on the earth,
you know,
very
vague
terrain features around
it that point in the session
I
had
not yet identified,
or.......
Urn hum
(affirmative)
...you know,
I
couldn't identify.
So,
on sk-sketch six,
I'm
going
to draw in
a composite,
because
later
on
I
looked at the
area.
Sure.
Okay?
PAUSE
Okay.
This is... these are like... this
is
like
a long valley.,
long narrow valley,
at the end
of which the bomb goes off
in... is the big... like
a bulbous end of the valley.
Okay?
I
can draw you
a little insert up here.
Okay?
And,
like
exp-these are moun-hills, hills come around
like
this,
and
this tapers down.
That's the idea I'm trying
to say
Urn hum (affirmative)
and
it tapers down at one end,
and the bomb goes off at
the o-at theopposite. . .the big thick end of
it,
and this
is
;
Urn hum (affirmative)
....this is... this mountain here.
:
Okay.
Okay.
:
Is that the one you went to
That's this one.
:
...compare the....
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That's the
one
I went
to later on in the session.
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#31:
Okay.
These are the low hills.
#43.5:
Okay.
#31:
All right.
So,
that's about
a composite
of that thing.
All right.
That's six.
Seven,
#43.5:
Where was this tower that you were talking about?
#31:
I
think... for some reason,
you
know,
I... during
the
preceding session,
I hadn't really been able to get to what
I thought was really
in the middle... I
can always see
it from
a distance,
but
I
couldn't get right in to where
it happened.
So,
I went back... I
tried,
very consciously to say,
okay,
now,
let's go back before
the bomb
goes off.
So,
there's nothing
to be afraid
of,
you know.
Go back in time before bomb goes
off.
Now,
go down
to where bomb lands,
and let's see what
it looks
like down there,
and the
only thing
I
could determine was that
there was some high metal scaffolding type tower,
ah,...
At first,
I thought it was the crane from the preceding session,
but,
it seemed to stand straight upright,
and have something
on the top of
it as though it was a little
fire,
like
a fire
tower... in
the woods.
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um hum
(affirmative)
#31:
Same,
same construction.
#43.5:
Where the ranger sits?
#31:
Ranger tower,
right.
#43.5:
Yeah.
Sure.
Okay.
#31:
And
it... I
felt that it was it... ground zero,
and there was
this other clutter,
well,
as
a matter
of
fact,
I'll do that
there.
I
can put that here,
on this one.
Is,
ah,
tower,
and other
clutter of darkness. ..dark splotches around
it,
as though there
were other things there,
at ground zero,
but
I
could not define
them.
Okay?
I,
I didn't want to be there,
man,
that's all
there was
to
it.
Okay.
#43.5:
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#31:
Okay.
And,
I
had... I 'll
go
on with this,
I think
I know what
you're going to ask now.
I
had the feeling
it was
an air
burst.
It wws above the valley floor.
Something happened when
the..
. .okay. .. .1 went back over
it.
I
replayed that thing
about five times in my mind,
and something happened that
almost,
almost... it looked as though this down blast
of rocket
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u/as going "boosh" down,
and bouncing off of the
ground,
and that was all
I could
get.
I was like, ...at
detonation.
. .this thick. ..conical shape down rushing.
Okay?
Like this.
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"boof"
and then the thing,
in second,
phase two,
the thing
became this. . .swirling. * .this is phase one...
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#31:
...and this is phase
two.
It just
...because the typical
swirling. .mean ,
angry,
ugly dust cloud of a... you know... of
a
"A" bomb
or a "H" bomb type explosion.
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#31:
Okay.
Det. .. .detonation was about 1500 feet.
.
. 'ns(phonetic)
above the ground.
Like
a rock,
ah,
I'll write like
a rocket
thrust.
Okay?
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Then the other,
you
know,
I'm not sure
if you have
to
do any drawings
or
#31:
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I
can draw that in phase two.
#43.5:
Well,
that's all right
'cause
the thing was,
I asked you then
where the airplane landed,
okay,
and that was very interesting
that,
ah,
you weren't sure,
the area was different.
Climate
different
or greener something like
that,
and,
but then you
felt that there was
a building where the round bumps were.
#31:
Yeah.
That was very spontaneous.
It was
like
#43.5:
Was that this...
Is that this?
#31:
That's this.
The one in sketch one.
I
felt that that was
.....
It looked like the one in sketch
one.
Like
I was blitzing
by
it at about one hundred thirty miles an hour.
You know.
#43.5:
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(affirmative)
#31:
Just after touching down.
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And,
this thing went "whoosh" past me on a....
Okay.
So,
best guess is the plane returned to wherever that
area there was......
Right.
is what you're saying.
anH
-t-hat
area there
If you were to put me on the ru-
put yourself on the runway,
and look at the building off your
riqht shoulder,
then behind it there's mountains,
there
s
mountains off in the horizon,
but, you know,
it
s nondescrip
,
Okay.
Ummm.
I don't have anything else.
I think you have
to draw
I
don't... you know... the time thing at
the end.....
Yeah.
...that scale... I don't...
draw that... but,
I
do...
on the tape.
you know... if you want to you
can
think you explained that very well
Okay.
Okay?
There are two things.
I'll make
a composite.
. .one more sketch
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‘arly
in the very session when
I said
there':s thisJtrough
thing,
okay,
I was talking about this trough that had stuff
in
it,
and people could work at
it.
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t was.. .this type of a feeling, here,
okay, you »uld see the
ides
of
it,
and it was jam packed.... it was.... it was jam
npM
...ith
ah
and
I know that it doesn't
believe me....
m ?he U^st'one’to know that this is not of the same Proportions
if the other one
I don’t know why
but
this was my
firs
maqery .
Was this long,
skinnier trough,
jam packed with
nmpfMnn that had
it was dark and,
it was solid and fla
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on one end,
but
the other side of it... the edges of it had
these lines in
it,
that’s one thing that
saw,
and,
miscella-
....the whole thing was packed with miscellaneous hardware.
Like
it was being contained
in this trough,
and another matching
set would be dropped down over
top
of
it,
and,
they ^ad the
one half of the trough off
so that they could work along that.
Do things in
it.
Okay.
Make adjustments,
you know,
and this thing was like sitting
up on some kind of
a,
a bench that raised it up
to be about
waist level.
Okay,
and
it was just filled with all sorts of
round.... and square... you know.
There were squares in there,
but,
there were rounds on top of them.
Just cluttere
,
the way.
That type of thing.
Okay.
Cluttered.
Filled with equipment.
Okay?
This was at
the
very
be.
. .open trough.
Okay.
That's the first par
.
n
_
other part,
down here,
was.
. .before.
. .this
is one
g
I
left out when
I went through
the sequence.
When this thing
came.... was moved into this place that was
like the shipping
and receiving place#.#*
Urn hum
(affirmative)
...for
a while
I
saw
it... before it went on this dolly with
the
guy pushing
it.
I
saw it with the nose open and with
the tail open.
Okay?
Okay
.
And,
it was sitting on some sort of
a platform or something
like that....
Like
it was hinged,
and then... like this...
Okay?
Hinge point....
Urn hum (affirmative)
....hinge point,
one front and back,
and that people were
stickinq their hands in... the front,
and
could stick their
hands in the back,
but
I
didn't see that happen. d^i^t^re
'
You know.
To make adjustments and fiddle. .. .fiddle m there.
Okay?
Okay
,
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#43.5:
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Good.
Okay.
Anything else you
That's very
good.
I
think
want to add?
#31:
Okay
#43.5:
All
right.
1 have no other questions,
then.
#31:
Okay boss.
#43.5:
Thank you very much.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION D-62
1,
(S/NOFORN)
The remote viewer did not know what his mission would be
until just prior
to the start of the session.
2.
(S/NOFORN)
At the beginning of the session the remote viewer was
pro vided the following information:
SG1B
^^^^^Target will be located on map sheet number ^^^|at coordinate
b.
That remote viewer had worked against the target previously
,
and
that we wanted additional information concerning
a big building he had
described
in
an earlier session.
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