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A.
All
right,
the vault
has
designs for certain eqinptment,
is
one of the
two^
things,
and also has^picture^j
three, it also
has
devices
that have been
worked
on,
S.
All
right*
are
these functional
devices, or are
they models of the
devices, or are they both?
A.
I would say both.
How,
there also,
also seem^o be something
like
tapes.
H
S.
Okey,
are
these magetic
tapes or paper tapes?
A.
I
have
no answer for you*
I
know that
it just says
tapes.
S.
Okey,
but do you understand rationally the difference between
a paper tape and
a
magnetic tape?
A.
No,
I
do
not.
S.
All
right*
the magetic tape
is what we are transcribing
this
on right
now.
A) paper tape
is
like the
the-
tape used on Wall
Street,, and used
on some computers
to
inrput information and
to get information out.
A.
From what
I could isee
it would
be more
ko magetic
than ticker
tape.
S.
All
right.
Is
the
tape
that
is
in
the vault associated
in some way
with
the machines
in
the
suite?
A.
The answer
is yes.
S.
In what way
is
it associated?
A.
I
don't
kfiisjlt this momement,
Scott.
I
know that there
is
some
connection between the machine and
,
concerning
the machine and the
information that
is put into
the
vault.
S.
Well,
okey,
did you generalize
it
.
.
?
A.
No,
no,
no.
S.
Specifical ly* the
tapes?
A.
Tape
is one of them,
but
I'm going,
I
have
to
say that as we were
working
there
is more information
that, thg^
I merely associated
...
but
I'm trying
to
figure out psychically where^these
tapes
are
from.
Theyiare
connected,
but
do
they come out of the
machine
is
the answer whi ch
don't have.
S.Well,
okey,
they could either come out of the machine or they could be,
lets
say,
digested or used by
the machine
for analysis.
They could be both
put into
the machine and then become another tape,
be an output form
the machine.
A.
Because again
in
the machine
I
keep seeing some information coming
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S.
And again
tell
us what that looks
like when
it comes
out.
A.
It looks
like
a piece of paper with something onn
its you
know,
like
it has been tabulated.
S.
All
right,
tabulation as
in numbers?
A.
Well,
what ix skbxdhw and what
I have seen before and what
I
see
now
is
stil ]/fiumbers.
I
cannot see any writing.
S.
Okey,
all
right,
that
is
consistant there.
All
right,
the pictures
in
the
vault,
as
in photographs, you said photographs
I
believe.
A.
Uh
huh.
S.
Are these
a particular type of photograph,
and by that
I mean are
they aerial
photography,
or grpund
photography_,or both^or what?
A.
Well,
they are,
but there are also other photographs
of,
how would
I
put
it,
very selected spots and options
(?)
is
the word that comes
.
.
S.
Okey,
are they photographs of
the devices which
they have some
.
.
A.
Relationship
?
I would have
to
say yes,
S.
Okey,
but
in addition are there other types of photographs?
A.
There are other photographs
but I'm not sure what they are,
I
know
that they are photographs.
S.
All
right,
I would like
to
know that
.
.
.
if you would put that back
.
A.
Would you
keep that
in note, maybe while we are driving
it will
come
out.
S.
Okey,
now the
third thing
that
Col
Watt wanted was
a description of
the area around
the building.
I
think
in fairness
to what we are doing
we should not try
to answer that because we are close
to
the building
and we have
looked at
a map of the area and
so
anything
,
either
the questions
that
I might ask or any of the answers
that you might give
could be based upon rational
knowledge.
.
.
.
r
A.
But let
us make also
a note that
I,
the sketch
I
drew bef%e he came
perhaps
.
.
S.
We will
bring
these,
share these with
him.
A.
That are very,^J^seem
to
be
close
to some of
the
things*
S.
Okey,
okey.
All
right Alex,
is
there any other thing, now that we are
as
close
as we are going
to
be able
to get
to
the building?
A.
The only thing
I can repeat
is what
I
repeated this afternoon
and
this
morning and
it seems
stronger
-
a sense of urgency
to find out the
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leakage
in that building,
that's
all
I want.
If nothing else comes out
of this that would
be the most important factor involved.
S.
Okey,
all
right, we will
secure and drive out and
if you get any other
impulses we will
turn
it on and activate
it yourself.
A.
Okey
.......
Some minutes
later while driving away from the site
.
A.
(?)
feel
right now
ax a psychically ;ds
an impulse
is
that the person^
the man
that
is carrying
this^may disappear, or pronounce deader something
like this.
S.
Oh,
A.
This
is what
I'm feeling.
S.
Well
now, let
us
talk this
over.
Is
the person who
is
carrying
this
device the young man who you think
has disappeared or will
dis^appear<rt
and be
killed?
A.
The emotion
is yes.
S.
What
is
.
.
.
A.
I
don't know
j
it
is
very
emotional, Scott,
at this point and
I
don't know
.
.
S.
Does
that appear psychic
iflrput?
A.
Yes,
its,
its
.
.
.
S.
Okey,
then
there
is
some possibility that the.othat operation
i’s
$ofl>ng
to
be wrapped
up
then,
that ; if that
in fact
has
happened.the bug
is,
will
not come back
into
the area.
A.
If
it has
happened,
it has
not come back,
but
I
don't know what
I
am
picking
up,
all
I
can
say
is
!
,
urgency.
S.
But you
.
.
.
can we agree that ...
I want you
to go ahead
in time
now,
Alex,
deliberately go ahead
in
time,
Will
the device come
into the
Arniy's
hands,
will
they locate
.
?
A.
No,
unless they
do something
they will
not.
S.
Well,
okey,
but what can
they do and when can
they
do
it?
A.
I
don't know,
I
don't know. This
is what
I'm trying
to figure
oiiti
S.
Okey.
Well,
there
is
one thing
to
batch the person responsible
.
.
.
I
guess we
can say this^logically^ if the agent
in
place
is
still
there 9
and for reasons
that are yet somewhat obscure
to
us
they decide to get
rid of the of the person who
is
the carrier of the device,
it
is
something
they can
do again
later,
implant another device
in
the same sort of
.
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A.
The same sort of cover.
S.
Or some other cover,
use
the same mode.
I
am just logically saying
this.
A.
All
right,
there
is something that
cclme
to
me.
I
spoke about one man
being white,
there’s another
person
that appears
oriental
to me.
I don't
know how
to explain
that.
I don't know whether
.
.
.all
I
can say
is
a>
the word
is oriental,
all
right
?
I cannot say Chinese,
Japanese}
I
cannot say what
it
is.
S.
But what
is
the signficance?
A.
There
is
something
important here that
I
have
to put together.
S.
Okey.
A.
I just want
to make
a note of that,
that
I
try
to come back
to
that.
S.
Well, is
the oriental
a
normal
employee of the
office.'
A.
Yes,
of the office.
S.
Are there any other orientals working
there?
A.
I
don't
know.
S,
It would be nice
if you could
tell
us
? because that would be
a
positive,
identification of
a unique
individual.
A.
But
I
don't know what this oriental/erson*
has
in
this whole
thing*
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A.
I've not had
a psychic emotion
like
this
in
a couple of months,
and the
last time that
I
had before
this
session ....
my question
is:
has
any
young man,
I'm not talking about here and now,
I
get
a feeling,
has
ever
left this
post and
no word
has ever heard from it and nothing
has
been
done because of
its disappearance?
S.
Well,
this
is
a very
large post,,.
A.
No,
I merely mean.
.
S.
You mean within
the area
(Secure area where building 303
is
located)
A.
That area
.
.
S.
333
.
A.
Yea.
The thin£ here that
is
asking,
I
keep hearing
a disappearance*
but
it
is
not connected directly with what
I
am seeing
now
;
it just an
impression,
that's
all
I'm asking, you
know.
It may
come out later
for what this means,
connected or
in
(non)
connected
I
don't know,
but
I
J USt ....
C
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used was
failing,
and not recognized
until
after
the
recording.
Side
6,
taped
in the morning
of
10 September
1981
A.
(Unintelligible)
S.
Yes, you said there was
a, you
identified two women.
A.
Not the one
in
the conference
room
.
S.
You didn't give much on
her* you said there was
a second woman,
and
I
frankly would have
to replay the tape
to get whatever you
did say,
but
I
recall
that there was
not much description of her other than she was
»
older than
the one
(unintell igftble)
«
A.
(Unintelligible)
S.
Where
is
she going
to come back
into play
now,
in what way?
A.
Well,
she
(unintelligible
)
in
a number of ways,
I just don't want
them
to miss
that because
(unintelligible)
You
see, what
is
happening here
first of all,
the people who want
the information either believe
or^know
that there was
a
very important project which
is,
in which they want
the information for themselves.
S.
Okey.
A.
And therefore.,™some way have worked themselves
into
this
(?)
and,
have worked themselves
into
(?)
by not because the ones
recruiting
the people for the project didn't
(?),
but because after they had been
selected
it appears
that
(?)
one of them
(?)
the one that knows
there,
the one that
is
.
.
.
S.
The agent
in
place.
^
A.
Yes, (???)
he was approached and accepted,
even with security
,
it
looks,
I'm not going
to say,
I
don't know whether
(?)
or what.
S.
Okey,
we are talking now about the person that
I
have
identified
as
art
agent
in
place.
You
say that he was
recruited,
and you are not sure how
whether
it was out of greed or lack of patriotism or blackmail
-
something.
Anyhow
he
,
was
he recently recruited?
Or within one year,
ten years.
A.
No,
recently,
by
recently,
I mean
a couple of years,
two years.
Its
not someone who has
been
in the service
(?)
ten year, fifteen years.
.
.
S.
In the service of the
foreign country.
A.
Oh,
in
the service of the United States,
S.
Okey, we have mixed two
things.
I wanted
to get an identification
of
this
person.
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A.
This
person
is working
in
room 333,
he
has
not been there very
long,
the len<|% of time
that he
has worked for
(?)
the secret
role, whatever
is
needed,
he
is
not
a twenty-year man,
he
looks
like someone, you
know
(?).
I
have
to give
him, you
know,
what
I'm trying
to
say
is that
he
is
not
a
person who
enl/s^ijled and reenlisted.
Byvreenl istment,
let me
put it this way,
I
don't mean,
I
have
to clairify that
for you.
I want
to
be
very specific.
First of all,
I
am not sure whether the person
is
an
Arniy, you
know,
someone
in
the service,
or
a civilian attached to
the
service.
All
right,
«ksy,
because what
I
see
is
.
.
.
S.
But that would be helpful
Alex,
if he
is,
if we could say
he
is
a
military
personnel
or
a civilian.
A.
I
will
have
to say civilian.
S.
Okey.
And,
how about age?
What
is
his age?
A.
I would give him
(?)
mid- thirty
S.
And has
he been on
this job
in the suite,
a long period of time,
short
period of time?
.
.
A.
The first
(?)
.
.
.
.
it says
he was
transfered from some other area^
So
it would appear to me,
I'm giving
that, luST*! 'm giving
a conclusion,
that
it appears
that he was
not
in on the ground floor
-
but
I
may be
wrong,
I mean
I'm only trying
to be helpful.
Okey,
but you are applying
a rational
judgement on
that.
Your psychic
jMclpragR* was that
he was
on
the ground floor of some
project*, ©key,
but
what project?
I
suspect that there
is more
than one project going on
in
suite
333.
A.-#.
What
it says
,
he was
doing some pother project that was not there,
into
this
project.
S.
But that
»
in fact may be the case for many employees
in
this
suite.
All
right,
let's
try
to
get
a [$hsical
description
-
height?
A.
I will
give you
.
.
.(?)
very business
like
.
.very easy going
.
.
very youthful,
very active,
S.
Outgoing,
but you said
tall,
six foot?
A.
(?),
close
to
it.
S.
Color of hair?
A.
Black.
S.
Color of eyes?
A.
They are not dark eyes,
dark brownj
they are not blue either,
in other
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