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REMOTE VIEWING
(RV)
SESSION DC-35
TIME
#66:
This will be
a remote viewing session
for
1400 hours,
5 December 1980.
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and focus your attention...
focus your attention
on:
SG1A
Relax now.
Relax,
and as you focus your attention
on the
target,
move your awareness through time and space and access
the target area 10:00
in the morning
at the target,
5 December
1980.
Position yourself at the target
in the time window
and describe the target
to me.
PAUSE
#27.5:
Just
a minute.
#66:
I will wait.
PAUSE
#27.5:
There's,
urn.... it's like a... ribbon
of road... flat hills...
rolling hills and there's farms.
.
. .small buildings by
the
road,
. .flags,
some flags by the buildings. ... .traffic. ...
.
very
light,
no vehicles
on the road hardly .. .trees both...
also
a line
of trucks
SG1A
Big city to the west... maybe
20 kilometers to the west.
#66:
Okay.
Move down now to the actual target.
Move dow^r^h^^^^^^
right
on the ground,
1000 hours
5 December
1980,
at
sgia
Stand now right
on the ground
at th^Targe^^^^^
an^aesc^m^your surroundings to me...
#27.5:
Cluster of buildings...
There's a... white fencing
by
the edge
of the buildings.......
Uh,
there's some kind
of arm... got
a barricade
of some kind......
I'm like
on
a entranceway...
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#66 :
#27.5:
#66:
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#66
:
#27.5:
#66
:
#27.5:
gateway, of
some kind.....
There's
a block,
. .block house facing
one of
the buildings.
There's no doors
or windows.
. .but
like
three floors up there's a... a window. .. .like
a short observation
tower.
There's concrete wings going
out from it......
the road. .....
There's like
a difference
in the buildings.
. .buildings are
different
on, uh...the right
of the blockhouse than
on the
left..
That's all
I'm getting.
Move
to the observation tower and
go up
into the observation
tower and
look
out.
Describe the scene to me.....
To the front
I
see
a
see red walls
in the right...
This
is
like
a street,
city
street. ..running
at
90 degree angles to the
road.
It's like some.
. .black,
black automobile would be parked
there but there's no other vehicles.
Behind me there's country,
open country.
And there's some,
uh,
sort
of
a caravan
of vehicles
parked to the left
side
of the road.
What type of vehicles?
Very
large trucks,
and uh...like five ton trucks.
There's,
uh...
sort
of
a light-
no,
I
don't know it's
a heavy
or light armored
vehicle.
It's got holes
in
it.
There's
a bunch
of those...
They only go
a little ways,
to the trees....
What
color are the vehicles?
Uh. .. .They're almost
a,
like
a russet tan.
They
got splashes
of white
on them.
There's a... they 're also dirty... they been
driven recently.
They're,
uh,
canvas tops are like
a,
uh. ,.
very dark
green.
The metal parts are
a russet tan with white
spots on
'em.
. .shadow,
. .
I
keep looking for the men
in the trucks
and there are no men.
They're like back behind some trees...
in the forest.
They don't appear to be doing anything except,
uh,
like camped.
. .bivouacked
or something.
Describe the vehicle markings. ...
.
It's like,
uh,
double white bars.
Criss crossed double white
bars.
They're kinda parallel.
There's
a... it's
a red stripe
in front
of the double crossed bars,
goes down the side
of
the vehicle.
There's very small white numbers.
. .forward
of
the red stripe...
Uh... think the,
uh... these are,
uh,
there's two separate groups
of vehicles
I
see.
The ones parkin'
along the road are,
uh,
mostly troop carriers and like,
uh,
smaller armored vehicles.
The,
uh,
the armored vehicles with
the holes
in
'em,
look very
much like,
uh,
assault type vehicles.
There's another group
of,
uh,
vehicles
in
a... in
a valley area
to the rear
of the hills.
That seems to be
a much larger,
uh,
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concentration
of vehicles.
It's
a temporary,
uh,
looks like
a transportation type depot. ..parked back up under the trees
is
a
(mumbling),
but further back.
It's like
a depot,
a dump
or something.
See
a
lot
of round
cans... .many round cans.
And
these fences
are,
uh,
everywhere.
I
don't' know what those
are.
But they're,
they're like wood and wire mixed and they're un-
rolled everywhere...,
I
don't
see
a great deal happening though.
#66:
Okay,
from the vehicles,
uh,
on the road,
where
is the observation
tower? ...
#27.5:
It's,
uh,
west,
almost due west.
#66:
Okay.
Can you
see
it from the vehicles?
#27.5:
Just barely.
#66:
Okay..
Go back
over to the tower now.
Go back over to that
observation tower.
#27.5:
Okay.
#66:
Now
I want
you to stay here
at the observation tower.
Hold
on
to something there,
because
I
don't want
you winking away.
Hold
on to the observation tower.
Now you have reported to me
that the activity
1000 hours,
5 December,
is relatively
low.
Now
I'm going to be moving you through time,
but stay
there,
stay
at the tower.
Move now
to 1000 hours
8 December
1980,
1000 hours
8 December
1980.
Report activity
at the target area
now.
#27.5:
See
a lot
of people and,
uh,
in the street by the tower...
They,
uh,
just mostly
in dark coats,
black coats.
And they're
milling around in the street...
They're
just looking. .. looking
away from the tower...
There's
a little traffic,
I still don't
see any automibiles.
I
don't
see as many people on
the other
streets either...
#66:
Okay.
Stay
at the tower now,
stay
at the tower and watch
what happens now as we move.
Move now
to 1000 hours
11 December
1980,
1000 hours 11 December
1980.
Report the activity
in the
target area.
#27.5:
There's a whole
lot
of,
uh,
differences.
I
got,
uh...I
got
these light armor vehicles in the tower now,
by
the tower,
like
parked
on the side
of the street.
There's some,
uh,
jeeps
or
something,
light
jeeps parked down
by the corner.
And the,
uh,
there's a
lot of soldiers milling around.
But they're
wearing,
uh,
they're wearin'
like
light green uniforms,
carryin',
uh,
automatic weapons and .they 're
in groups of
5 to
10,
around
the
tower.
There's
two very
heavy armored vehicles parked like
catty-corner
to the tower.
They
got very
large barrels.
Uh...
there's vehicular traffic but,
uh,
it's still not very heavy,
it's very light.
. .mostly military trucks.
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#66:
Okay.
Now holding yourself at this time period,
holding your-
self
at this time period
11 December
1980,
1000 hours
in
the
morning,
take
a quick look
at the area over
in the
valley,
down
in the trees where the other vehicles were,
the second group
of
vehicles.
Report
on this
in this time period...
#27.5:
I
got about
a fifth
of them still there,
but the rest are gone.
They're
like,
uh,
one long row
is still there,
the rest
of the
rows of them are gone.
. .grounds all chewed up.
There's
a
lot
of activity with trucks
in the
depot.
#66:
Okay.
Move back to the tower
now.
Move back to
the
tower,
1000 hours,
11 December,
back at the tower,
and tell me about
these two larger armored vehicles with the big barrels....
#27.5:
They,
uh,
they're very heavily armored and the,
uh,
fronts
got
like
a flat plate across
it.
The,
uh,
turrent portion
is very
wide and very thick.
Uh,
appear
to be much taller than what
you'd expect,
,
.
#66:
Do
you recognize these vehicles?
#27.5:
They're tanks,
but
I
don't know what
size.
The barrels are
very
large,
not,
not quite
as large as
a
155,
but,
uh,
very
large
barrels.
Got some kind
of
a snorkel type device layin'
down
on
the side,
strapped next to some
cans.
It's
on the
left
side.
#66:
Okay,
now let's use your position
of observation
in the tower
again and hold onto
the tower once again
as we move to 1000
hours
14 December 1980
in front of the tower.
Describe the target
activity to me.
.
.
.
#27.5:
I
got
a... four
of the,
uh,
lighter armored vehicles with the
holes
in
'em are parked aside
of the tower
on the
left.
Two
very heavy
tanks are gone.
Three groups
of soldiers,
two next
by the tower and one across the road
in
the edge of
the... like
building area.
And there's some,
uh.
. .smaller sedan vehicles
sitting
by
an
intersection.
And there apparently
is
some. .. .like truck convoy that's sitting
at the tower and going back
a
little ways like eight trucks,
large trucks.
These have troops
in them... and very little,
still very
little traffic
other than the military
traffic.
I
don't
even see any
other kind
of traffic.
#66:
You
say
that,
uh,
there are some trucks parked near the
tower
with troops
in them?
#27.5:
Just sitting there right
on the road.
#66:
What
is
it you experience that makes you say there are troops
in the trucks?
#27.5:
They're full.
I
just
get
a feeling they're
full.
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#66:
Move from the tower down
to the trucks and look
in the trucks.
#27.5:
I
got troops
in
the
trucks.
They're not,
it's not all troops
though.
There's,
uh,
there's
other things
in the
trucks
as well,
boxes and barrels.
#66:
Describe the troops
to me.
#27.5:
Wearing,
uh,
light green.
Uh,
they
have,
uh,
have machine guns
with,
uh,
they're air
cooled,
they
have,
uh,
like the... the
holed sleeve over the barrel and... boots are wrap around boots
with buckles,
have
a black diagonal strap across the shoulder.
That's all
I
see,
I don't see any markings
on the uniform.
#66:
What type
of headgear?
#27.5:
Wearin'
helmets.
#66:
What style
of helmet?
#27.5:
Looks
very much like
a U.S.
helmet.
Fits
a little lower down
around the ears maybe but the actual style of the helmet
looks
very much like
a U.S.
helmet.
#66:
Okay.
Look at the faces of
a number
of these troops.
What race
are they? .....
#27.5:
Very,
uh,
very heavy featured,
like mountain people.
I
don't...
I get
a feelin'
like they're experienced,
uh,
experienced
troops.
But they're
like,
uh,
mountain people.
I
don't...
heavy boned,
heavy featured....
#66:
What's the predominant emotion
of the troops that sit
in the
trucks?
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#27.5:
Just
a minute.....
A nervousness.
Not,
not fear,
but just
nervousness,
apprehension .. .or from unknown,
uh,
apprehension
of unknown.
#66:
Okay.
Now we are
in the time period
of 1000 hours,
14 December.
You've been examining the troops
in the trucks.
I want you to
wink now from the troops
in the trucks to the vehicle area back
in
the trees
in
the valley,
the second vehicle area.
Describe
the activity
1000 hours
14 December
in
this area...
+37
#27.5:
Very quiet.
The,
uh,
depot area
is still there,
but it's...
policed up more,
very little activity.
The row
of,
uh,
armored
vehicles
is still
there,
and
the,
uh,
troop like encampment
area
is part
of this area.
It's been
sort
of consolidated
into
a smaller place.
#66:
Okay.
Return to the tower now.
Return
to the tower.
Recall
now that we are
in 1000 hours,
14 December
1980.
Now hold
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onto the tower.
We are
going to move now,
move forward
in
time to
31 December
1980,
31 December
1980,
and
look
in
on
1000 hours,
31 December
1980 and from the
tower describe the
target area activity
to me.....
+39
#27.5:
I
see
a single,
uh,
like armored vehicle by the tower,
sedan
parked beside
it,
or
6 troops,
armed,
by the tower,
a
lot
of foot traffic like people walking,
some other troops down the
road.
It looks like some kind of a....
kind of
a barricade
of
some
sort,
Uh,
some vehicles about half military,
half civi-
lian,
. .snowing.
There appears little more activity than before.
#66:
Okay.
Holding at
31 December,
move now
to
the depot area and
describe the depot area 31 December 1000 hours.
+40
#27.5:
It's gone.
I
don't have any depot....
#66:
All right.
Move back to the tower now,
and recall that we are
at
31 December,,
1000 hours at the tower.
Now hold onto the
tower
as we move
to
14 January
1981,
14 January 1981 and
lock
in
on 1000 hours,
and describe from the tower the activity
in
the
target area. ..
.
+42
#27,5:
Have
a
lot
of traffic.
. .people and traffic.
#66:
Okay...
And now to the depot area,
14 January
1981,
to the
area you know as the depot area.
#27.5:
Well,
I don't have any depot
area,
just snow.
#66:
Okay.
Return to the tower now.
Now,
holding your position
at
the tower,
I
am now going to free you
of time limitations.
You are no longer fixed in time for observation purposes.
Now,
from this point
on the tower move as necessary through time and
determine the purpose and direction of movement
of the vehicles
that used to be down
in the valley
in the depot
area.
Work on
this
without reporting, without reporting,
work
on this while
I
turn the tape over...............
#27.5:
They,
uh,
they move through the city... into another
city,
but
I
have
a different direction.
I
felt from the tower
that
it
was,
uh,
west,
but
it,
I
don't think it's west.
It's like they
moved
east.
#66:
What
is
it
that you are experiencing,
what is your experience
that makes you
say this?
#27.5:
I,
uh,
I
set up myself
to stand and face the
city,
which
is
the
direction the vehicles
go... and
to follow them.
#66:
Okay.
I'm understanding that you're facing the vector of
travel from tank depot area to
the city.
#27.5:
Correct.
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#66:
Continue.
#27.5:
And
I follow them,
and
I
ask what direction
I'm
going,
and
I
got east-southeast,
which doesn't make
any sense.
Uh,
this
is,
uh,
early
in December.
I
don't... I
don't have the vehicles
coming back.
#66:
From the direction vector,
from the depot to the
city,
is there
further movement?
#27.5:
Yes,
it's like,
uh
-
#66:
Explain the movement to me
in terms of angles away from the
vector
from the depot to the city.
#27.5:
It's from the depot
to the city,
and then north,
like
a right
angle.
#66:
A right angle off of
the vector from the depot to the city.
How much of
a right angle?
#27.5:
Thirty degrees.
#66:
All
right.
#27.5:
It's
to another city.... and that's where
they are....
#66:
And what purpose do they have at their now location? ...
#27.5:
To park.
I don't... just park...
Like a parade display
That
' s all
I get....
#66:
All right.
I have no further questions about the target,
how-
ever,
I'd like to give you the opportunity now to comment as
you
see fit
on the perceptions which you've had....
#27.5:
That was all
I
got.
#66:
Okay,
fine.
Let's work then
on drawing the area which you have
perceived.
#27.5:
Okay.
The,
uh,
sorta dotted road line- that's the
road.
And
the tower was like down here,
where
I wrote tower.
And this was
a city ,
like the edge
of the city.
And all
the direction
of
the military vehicle traffic was like down this paper.
And up
here
in this big wooded section,
this was all hills up
in
here,
you
know,
this whole northern section
or this whole upper sec-
tion
of the paper was all hills.
And,
uh- but like flat hills.
And they were all covered with woods,
and
just like buried
in
this woods was this big depot.
If you drove back past this
depot area you would find
the armored vehicle parking area.
Then all the troops were back up
in
the woods.
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#27.5:
And this tower,
this white tower
down here
is where
the,
uh,
a lot
of the armor was parked and everything.
There,
and this
first street,
very first street corner
in
the city.
I'll label
that first street
corner...
And,
for direction,
first
I thought that,
for some reason
I
thought they were moving sort
of southwest when they went down
this road into the city.
But when
I asked myself the direction
of travel
at
the tower
of the military vehicles
it was all west,
uh,
easterly direction.
And,
I don't know.
You
know me and my
directions,
they're usually backwards.
So...
#66:
Okay.
*
#27.5:
But
it was all
one way and they
didn't
come back.
They
just
all went away....
#66:
Now when you say
they. came,
when you
saw the movement picture
they moved from this vehicle parking area,
the depot,
to the
city which you've drawn there
on page-
#27.5:
They passed the tower,
right.
#66:
Past the tower into the city,
you've drawn
on page
two.
#27.5:
Right.
#66:
Now can you draw me the angle
of the arrow when they left that
city?
Where did they
go?
#27.5:
Okay,
I'll
do that
on page three. ..city.
Now
I
had them-
when
I- okay,
if you remember
I
said they appeared to be
going
east
or northeast
or something like
that.
Okay,
we'll call
this,
uh...
#66:
Draw me your two vector lines as they come into this city.
#27.5:
Vehicle park.
#66:
Okay.
#27.5:
Tower.
#66:
Okay.
#27.5:
Okay.
I
had this into the city.
And
then when they
left
the
city
I
had like this direction
to another
city.
#66:
Am
I correct
in assuming that they stopped
in this other city?
#27.5:
They stopped
in the other city and that's where
they're at now.
In this other
city.
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#66:
Now,
I want
to ask
a question that's
a bit confusing.
When you
say that's where
they are now,
do you mean
on the last date
I
gave you?
#27.5:
Oh,
on the last date that you
gave me.
#66:
All right.
#27.5:
Okay.
Which was the latter,
or middle,
uh,
January.
And
the
second city,
incidentally,
is
a lot larger than the first
city.
First city would be,
uh.
. .uh.
. .write
that,
first city
is l/100th
size,
it's
a village compared to the second city...
This
is very
large city here...
#20,5:
And we asked you what the purpose was in that.
#27.5:
They were-
they
just went there and parked,
like
in
a neat
parade fashion and that's exactly the way they are now,
or were,
on the 14th
of January.
#20.5:
What
I want you
to do
is,
is,
I want you
to draw,
uh.
. .following
the large armored vehicles
that you saw-
#27.5:
Uh-huh.
#20.5:
-with the large barrels,
the helmet that you saw
on the troops-
#27.5:
Okay.
#20.5:
-and the vehicle markings that you saw when you were asked
to
describe the vehicles that were
in the convoy
(mumbling).
Okay?
#27.5:
Okay.
#20.5:
Those three things,
uh,
I'd like to get drawings
of
them.
#27.5:
Okay,
on page four
is the
tank.
And this,
uh,
this thing was
like really big,
very heavy and,
and uh,
guppy
looking,
you
know,
really
a fat looking tank,
you
know.
And uh,
quite
ob-
viously
the turrent was overly large for the body
of the
tank
and very heavily plated,
as was the flat steel plate,
which
was right
in the front.
That was also extremely heavily
armored,
and had
a very discernable belly
to
it.
And that was just
rumbling down the road.
And
the,
uh,
page
5,
portion
A
is,
uh,
an example
of the helmet that was bein'
worn
by the troops.
And then,
uh-
#66:
What color
is the helmet?
#27.5:
The helmet's really
a strange thing.
It's,
uh...I
kept getting
like this color between
tan and green.
Uh...an earth,
like an
earth green.
I don't know how to explain that,
but
it's,
you
know,
it wasn't quite
green,
it wasn't quite tan.
But
it looked
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#27.5:
like
it had been hand painted with
a brush.
I
put
like
these
brush markings
on here.
It was almost
as
if
it was painted that
way
so
as
to break up reflection
or something like that.
You
know,
you
could,
if you were standing right up
close
to
it you
could see the brush strokes
in
the helmet.
But far away
it
would lend it
a different
reflective pattern,
you
know,
in
different sections
of the helmet.
Then
on part
B
of page
is
a example
of
the way the markings
were laid out
on
the door
of one of the vehicles.
There's like
a red diagonal
stripe,
it's got
a slight curve
to
it.
And em-
bedded across that red stripe,
partially half
in the red stripe
and half out are some small white letters,
or numbers rather.
And then to the right
of
the red stripe are
like,
uh,
a cross
hatch pattern that's canted
a little bit to the right and it's
like
a double white line
on top
of
a double white line.
It's
uh,
hard to see the markings
'cause
of the type
of camouflage
that's used
on the vehicles right now.
They're also like the same
color
of the helmet,
but in this case they also have a white
^
paint splattered
on
'em,
or something like splashed
on or painted
on
or,
you know,
like
a really bad job of paintin'
'em white.
Just strikin'
'em with a... with
a white brush.
#66
:
Okay
#27.5:
That's all,
#66:
You have any further comments about the session?
#27.5:
No,
not really.
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