Approved For Release saonioen SAGE covsenonosonssoce-< #27.5: I'm standing to the rear right, you know, looking at it on its right side. And I'm standing on the ground and its just super clear impression I'm getting. #7.5: Okay, now describe what is behind on the other side of it. #27.5: On the other side of it. I'm going to have to go over there because I can't see through it. #7.5:3 Are you telling me that it is isolated alone, there's no.. . #27.5: Yeah. Just. . I see immediately forward of the rear wheel on the left hand side, I see tele- phone pole. And there's trees behind it. Look like oak trees. Not a bunch of them, just a couple. Starting to get a lot of analytic crap now because that was so clear. . . that, you know, its kind of hard to believe it. PAUSE It seems like I see a ..a. . some kind of a . . brick, brick wall maybe a real low silhouette type building with a piece of wire. But, some kind of a piece of angle iron or something stick- ing out on the corner. I don't know what it is, but its a lot like something you would hang a sign on. You know, like when you dangle a sign by a door. That's sticking out and the building is like. . the building is like close to where this truck is but I can't. . I think the truck is like fored on the left side of the building . . from the front. If you . . If you stood looking down that . . like long lengthwise section of the brick, brick wall. PAUSE And there's like some stands. Metal stands with a cross piece that goes up ina hook on the end. That are diagonal this way across them and there's like its a circular row, not a, not a good circle but they kind of curve out to right. . and that that's near the building, But I can't... I can't see where in relationship to the building. PAUSE 2 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 SEER FR eero00s00690001-8
Approved For Release zoooiasio Ag hepy A apazes'2000900890001- other side of the pattern and its too complex to try to . . Its like T'm seeing through this . . this. . pattern. #7.5: What is the white metal? Does the white metal make up one of the other shapes or something? PAUSE #27.5: Ah. . I don't know. PAUSE I keep wanting to say its part of the truck but its not really part of the truck. #7.5: Okay. PAUSE #7.53 Don't force yourself to call the . . its kind of an exercise here. . . don't force yourself to call the thing you call a truck. Let's say that we have a shape of something. .. #27.5: Yeah. Exactly. Well, that's what it is. #7.5: Say we have the shape of something and it may be mobile in some way and it has some sort of a boom or vertical thing coming out of it. #27.5: Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And I. . I am analytically associating it to that damn cherry- picker on these power trucks and that's why I keep saying truck and its not that. #7.5: Okay. #27.5: Its... #7.5: Its dark on the bottom, light on the top? #27.5: Right. #7.53 Okay. Now we have this shape. This shape and we have something sticking up out of this shape. Okay, is the shape that sticks up the conical © thing? You have to tell me. PAUSE 7 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000900690001-8
Approved For Release zo 0nd Repee-oo7eeRoc0s00690001-8 g) ‘ 4 #27.5: I don't see any defined difference between the light and the dark. #7.5: Okay. Where is the white metal? PAUSE #27.5: Its associated. . . Its associated to this bodied thing with a ..a. . cherry-picker type extension on it. But every time I try to associate it, I just again, I see the dark bottom half and the light upper half. #7.5: Okay. Dark on the bottom, light on the top. #27.5: I see crosses. Or I should say X's. They are not up and down or vertical, they're X's. And my perspective is like I would be walking around it. #7.5: Okay. PAUSE #27.5: That's all. Its really fascinating. #7.5: Okay. Let's review this for a minute now. We have the dark object. . or we have an object that has a protrusion sticking out of it, you associate that with being a truck and the cherry- picker type ladder thing but at any rate you have a dark object with a protrusion sticking out of it; you have a building associated nearby, you have also trees maybe behind that; you have some white metal that you saw you said that is some- how associated with this. . dark object with the protrusion sticking out; you also have something that is like a cone or a pyramid that has four edges with a strange shadow pattern so it can't be a square with four edges. You have some white metal. How does that fit? Those are the things you told me. How does that fit? #27.5: It fits very well. Except I sense something there. I'm feeling something and I don't know what it is. Its .. . did you mention the intense heat? #7.53 No, I didn't. 8 Approved For Release 2000 SMR efo0722R000900690001-8
Approved For Release 2000108) SPEER 007227:000800600001- #27.5: Cold. #725: Okay, you mentioned that something, something to do with heat. #27.5: An intense cold heat. That's the honest. only way that I can describe it. #7.5: Okay. Maybe its an area that has the possibility of being intensely heat. . . hot and that was an area that would be intensely hot but right now its cold. #27.5: Its a. . I'm trying to . . I'm trying to figure out what the hell the building's got to do with it. #7.5: Okay. Maybe its just nearby. Maybe that's not the target. Maybe its a building nearby. #27.5: Maybe the building's the target. #7.5: Maybe. Do you want to try to get a closer look at the building? #27.5: Yes. That's what I'm doing now. I've gone back to that angular piece of metal. I'm looking at that. I see a .. shape like . .aV cut of wood that's carried out to the edges. Not wood, just that shape. Its supporting something. This is on the side of the building on top of the building. I'm seeing the crosses. . the X's. The X's. The X's are metal. Its not fencing though. Clearly not fencing. Its larger X's. PAUSE That's all I know. I keep going back to that. . that truck thing. I wish I could see detail. PAUSE Two. . . half circle yellow, glass type dome things. Two, like lights, like. .. they are like protruding tail lights on a motorcycle. You know, the turn signals. I see two of those. They are yellow. They are not tail lights. [I see a .. I see .. three white circles above. Approved For Release 2000/08 SEE EEREMob07e8R000900880001-8
Approved For Release 2000/0 ERE -00726R000200880001-8 Roa RS #7.5: #27.5: #7.5:3 #27.5: Three inches in diameter. I see a piece of metal with four sticks of metal like coming out of it. Aluminum coming out of it. PAUSE Where is this construction? This is on the truck-like thing. PAUSE And. . these circles keep these. . they keep going from two and multiplying. For some reason like they're vibrating, they are not... they don't stand still, you know, they kind of (not audible). Like my focus is out. PAUSE I see like a stack of gears all interconnected. Like, if you took the end off a crank case you'd see all the gear works. Okay. And there's a thick yellow grease. A very thick, heavy yellow grease, you know, its like its. . somebody has never cleaned them, they just keep packing the grease on. PAUSE And below that grease there's a round edge that's covered with thick black greasy residue that might have, you know, might be old grease that's run down and hardened. (Not audible) and I feel rough. Its sitting on something rough. This round type thing. I'm sitting on something very rough. Like running your hands through. . through. . just very rough. Like it would do damage to your hands if you run your hands through this rough. Its rough. PAUSE That's all. That's all the detail I get on that. 10 # 95-00788R000900690001-8
Approved For Release 2000708 Sf EARYEE | 96-00789R000800690001-8 #7.53 #27.5: #7253 #27.5: #7.53 #2725: #7.5:3 #27.5: #725: #27.5: #725: #27..5: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Okay. Let's try to draw some of the things you got now. Okay. Let me look around one more time. PAUSE I'm going to have a lot of trouble with this truck type thing because there's just . . just a. . , you know, its like looking in a box full of screws. You know, you can say, there's this box of lines defining how they go is just... PAUSE Its like this cherry-picking thing here. You say you didn't see the end of it. No. It . . It just like keeps going on into infinity. Okay. Okay. But, I can see the end of it, but the end of it's really funny. Its .. Its like a .. like the end of a cigar only there's like a .. like the . . different shadows on it, you know, they go across each other like this. Its just hard to define what it is because the shadows. . its just really weird. Its not. . . Looking at it from the end its like a round tip of a cigar of just panted a little off. Dead center rim. Um hm. And there's just this mirage of shadow on it so that you can just see a rounded outline. But you know that there's something in it. Um hm. But you're really not looking in it. You know, you're. .. Okay. Its a point of perspective I guess. Okay. And I see a lot of metal X's with a dot in the center, A bunch of them and they are kind of - . . they are not in a pattern now, but some are individual stacks like this. But their edges don't touch. And then others are like, like you're seeing through the ones in the front,
Approved For Release 2ooordgte ears 2¢-00788R000800890001-8 you're seeing the ones in the back. #7.5: Um hm. #27.5: And the . . the cone is like. . its like a cone with four edges. #7.5: Um hm. #27.5: And its got like a . . its also got strange shadows like this. I don't know how to. . just strange shadows. And its kind of . . looking at it from the side, it looks. . . Well, it doesn't look, damn it, it feels round. But its not, okay. #7.53 Okay. #27.5: Its a pyramid. #7.5: Okay. TURN OVER TAPE #27.5: The long brick wall was like in perspective was like looking down. . . with a definite roof overhang with a piece of angle iron out here. And there were two strips of light back in the brick. And there was a rise. . of some sort. A dirt mound or a rise behind that. PAUSE The . .. TI can't. . . I'm trying to think of how I can show the difference between the dark bottom and light upper half but I... #7.5: Well, don't worry about it. #27.5: I can't do it. I can't . . you know, there's. . just doesn't appear to be where one stops and the other starts. #7.5: Okay. That's fine. #27.5: The .. I got a very clear impression of the - . . I really tried for detail and I gota very clear impression of two yellow lights. Not on like the . #7253 A bullet light? 12 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RD J0900690001-8
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Approved For Release 200010 TART EARFSt 0072eR000900890001-8 POST-SESSION INTERVIEW REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION XLI 1. (S) Post-session interviews are conducted after the completion of a session to provide the selected remote viewer with the opportunity to express himself concerning his viewing experience. 2. (S) #27.5 had no explanation for his target miss. He had been very confident of his attempt and was surprised he did not have any target correlation. #27.5 remains enthusiastic and wants to do more remote viewing, more frequently. Approved For Release 50001 SEE Es oorsenocost0sso0ot