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...see that... door has window in
it.
Ok.
So... Do we have somewhat of
a.. as though
it
were
a conventional door but in
a wall of bars?
Yes.
Yes.
That's like
a wall there,
and here’s
the wall from
a neighboring cell,
right here
in
the foreground,
and then,
of course, would be
more of these things coming along like this
Like that.
Here is
a wall here,
and there’s a
wall back here.
Like that.
All right... and,
there's the ceiling for that wall,
right there,
and here's the ceiling for this wall right there,
like that.
Ok.
What am
I trying to get across
on this one?
That the stairwell was right outside
his door,
and it goes down.
I had the feeling
that there were bars all
up and down this hall.
Uh.. there’s some sort of
a stairs or steps and
I
felt that they were wooden and that they were sort
of outside of his cell.
Urn..
Are you saying that this stairway went down?
Can
I infer from that that this is on
an upper
level.
No.
It went up.
I didn't see a down stairway.
The
stairway
I
saw was an up stairway
So
I would go up the stairs
(mumbling)
In the past
your descriptions,
during the session,
during the
drawing have been frequently different from stair-
ways here.
I'm sure that you draw what you see
but your verb descriptions have been different.
You say "up"
and then later you say "down". .sometimes
you say
"up" and later you draw "down."
No.
This is a stairwell going up.
It's not that
I'm up looking down
a stairwell.
I'm sure of
uhis.
Don't. ..I'm sure
of this. .and this is the under side
of the stairwell... if you can dig
it.
See,
you're
looking at it from the back end,
is what I'm trying
to say.
The way
to get up is on the other side of
this thing.
You walk up towards me.
It's drawn
backwards,
but,
that's the only way
I
can draw
it.
Maybe this will clarify
it.
There's nothing in under
it.
There's nothing in under it and it goes on
up.
You know,
to the ceiling.
They should be getting
bigger as they come towards me.
There like that.
It's all screwed up.
I'm trying to draw the underside
of
a staircase that comes back over my head... is what
I'm trying to
do.
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If
I was standing on the floor and watching
staircase rise up over my head
Right.
Because that's where
I
was standing
...you see... I was standing near and under it
when
I was out at point number two.
I was looking
into point number two and the stairwell took off
from my right and went up over my head.
These
wooden steps... and they went up over my head.
Not audible.
Right,
right,
right,
from being
underneath them.
That's the first time
I
saw them.
Then
I turned
around when
I
got down to the next place.
I had
the feeling that on this side. .. .equally ... .was
open and then
I
felt this linear type feeling all
the way down,
ok.
As though we might have bars
on both sides.
Right,
right.
All
right.
That’s three.
The.. the
next room down... I think was occupied by
two people.
I think they were both in bed.
Both sleeping,
anyway.
I had them sleeping on a set of bunk beds on the
right side.... left side of the room that were...
worked
on this for awhile...
I was hoping we would be getting you later to work
on the people.
Yeah.
I
tried,
but
yeah,
I
know.
I
tried that
but
I popped out
of
it.
Once you pop out of it
it's no good.
Essentially,
their layout was the same... that was
the next one by.... the next one down
to the left.
Could you tell me anything
at all about the people
that you perceived sleeping?
Well,
I thought that the
guy on top had
a beard.
I would hesitate
to even say that they were our
people.
I had the feeling of,
you know,
rumpled
clothes,
rumpled bed clothes,
type stuff.
But not
like this.
This... where he was... it was almost like
nobody had even slept in the bed,
you
know.
You
know.
You made
a statement
a few minutes ago that you would
hesitate to say that they were even our people.
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