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SUBJECT:
Report of Visit to SRI
International,
18-20 October 1978
(U)
1.
(S-ORCON)
Lynne Taylor,
Scott Phillips
and Harris Walker visited SRI
on
18-20 October 1978 for discussions
on Project Grill
Flame.
Personnel
contacted at SRI were
Hal
Puthoff,
Russ
Targ,
Charles Tart and
Ed May.
The major points
of our discussions
are summarized
in
the following para-
graphs.
2.
(S-ORCON)
The majority of our discussions centered
on AMSAA's
Grill
Flame replication of the original
SRI
protocol
for remote viewing,
particu-
larly
the problems we have encountered
in trying
to remain true
to
the
protocol
a.
SRI maintains
a very comfortable,
privately accessed
lab
for remote
viewing sessions.
Subjects
and interviewers
thus
know exactly where and
under
what comfort conditions
their sessions
will
take place.
AMSAA's
Grill
Flame sessions
have rotated between conference rooms
and offices,
depending
on their availability;
comfort conditions
have significantly
varied with
the
location.
b.
In addition
to the availability of conference rooms
or offices,
AMSAA's
Grill
Flame sessions
have been dependent on
the availability
of
the team members,
due
to meetings,
travel
plans,
etC;
Additionally,
the
Grill
Flame participants
are
not totally dedicated
to just Grill
Flame
but have other responsibilities
that oftentimes must take priority oVer
a session.
Thus,
trying
to set
up
a schedule
for our sessions
is
next
to impossible.
SRI
does
not have
the same
constraints
on their sessions,
although
this
does
not imply that everything works
perfectly
all
of the
time at
SRI,
even though
their level
of dedication far exceeds
ours.
c.
A significant amount of time was spent philosophizing on
the.
critical
relationship between
the subject and interviewer.
Our feelings
on
this
subject are detailed
in
the Memorandum For Record
of Ingo Swann's
visit to AMSAA,
so there
is
no need
to repeat
all
of that
in
this memorandum.
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18-20 October
1978
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Apart from our discussions,
Scott and
I
had
the opportunity
to listen
to
several
of SRI's
tapes of their early remote viewing sessions.
Listening
to
the tapes was
a
real
education above
and beyond just talking about
subject/interviewer relationships
and was
perhaps
the most valuable part
of the trip for
us.
We have definitely carried this
learning
to our own
sessions
and can already see
the positive differences.
d.
The judging procedures
of remote viewing experiments
are critical
to
the statistical
success,
or failure,
of the experiments.
In prior
conversations with
Ed May and
Hal
Puthoff, we had established
the best
number of sessions
to
be judged
as
a
package,
i.e.,
6 or
7. sessions.
We
now established the amount and type of information
to
be given
to
the
judges:
a copy of the protocol,
copies
of the edited transcripts
in
random order,
a
list of target sites
and target pictures
in random order,
a judging matrix for the recording convenience of the judges,
and
a state-
ment explaining what the judges should do at the sites.
Hal
Puthoff provided
us with
an example
of what should
be
included
in
this
statement,
along with
a caution
to
be extremely
careful
about the contents
of the statement so
as
not to prejudice
the judges.
3.
(S-0RC0N)
Russ Targ,
Hal
Puthoff and
I
discussed
the proposed training
contract for
FY
79.
The revised statement of work was
again
revised.
Subsequent
to
this
visit,
the new statement of work
has
been coordinated
with and agreed
to by
all
parties
concerned and the contract
is
being
processed.
4.
(S-0RC0N)
We provided SRI with
copies
of our session transcripts
available at that date.
We did discuss
several
of the transcripts,
particularly noting
the differences
between
the two
subjects,
the target
sites,
and the pattern of improvement starting
to emerge,
based on experience
and increased awareness
of what works
best for
us.
5.
(S-0RC0N)
Charles
Tart,
a psychologist who just recently joined
the staff
of SRI,
introduced
us
to
the Ten
Function Random Number; Generator Testing
Facility.
This
is
an impressive piece
of equipment.
Scott and
I
had
a
_
chance
to
try
it out and are
looking forward
to spending more
time working
with
it.
An important point
to
be aware
of about
this
facility
is
people
who tend
to
do well
on this
facility tend
to do well
in remote viewing
sessions,
but the reverse does
not hold
true.
Russ Targ offered to
loan
us their
Four Function Testing Facility and we have graciously accepted
his
offer.
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8 November 1978
SUBJECT:
Report of Visit
to SRI
International,
18-20 October
1978
(U)
6.
(S-ORCON)
Hal
Puthoff showed Scott,
Harris
and myself the Jack Perkins
NBC film,
shown
on the NBC Nightly
News
last year,
on
the SRI
remote viewing
protocol.
It's
an excellent introduction
to remote viewing.
7.
(S-ORCON)
Russ
Targ has
agreed
to visit AMSAA during the first week of
December to continue our discussions,
particularly on our future work
and
the screening we are planning
to do,
as well
as
review our judging.
He
is
also
going
to bring
the NBC film with him at our request.
8.
(S-ORCON)
The trip
to SRI was
a definite boost
to our
Grill
Flame,
project.
SRI was
impressed by both
the amount of effort we are devoting
to
the project and the results we have obtained under
less
than
ideal
conditions.
We
learned
a great
deal
about the feelings,
perceptions,
ideas and helpful
hints
that are
not recorded
in print and have implemented
our new found learning
in our sessions, with encouraging success.
We
are
looking forward
to
a continuation of
this
rapport.
Copies
furnished:
Dr.
Sperrazza
Mr.
J.
Kramar
Mr.
S.
Phillips
Mr.
C.
Thomas
Mr.
M.
Reches
Mr.
G.
Hanna
Mr.
R.
Dietz
Dr.
E.
H.
Walker,
BRL
SRI
International
MAJ Stoner, HQDA
[JAM Watt,
INS COM
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