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#7:
Back
in this complex there's
a
lot
of buildings
all around this darn
area.
Back
in here somewhere
was ....
like
a
inch iron pipe.
A
lot
like
this incinerator pipe down here.
I guess that's
an incinerator.
#31:
Okay.
PAUSE
#7:
And there's
a lot of stuff back
in here.
Just all
over,
geometric patterns
in here.
#31:
You may want to hold that there for
a second,
Sketch
3.
Also,
the reason,
also at this touchdown
you said
you had
a flash
of coal
or ore unloading
in this
vicinity.
#7:
Oh,
I
had forgotten about that.
#31:
Is that sketchable
on through,
or possible an arrow
would suffice?
#7:
It was off to the.
.
.
off ...
I felt very confused
at this point and
I started to analyze and
I started
to figure
out what was going
on and
I remembered
I
really wasn't supposed
to.
But
I got
a flash of the
kind
of thing
I
had seen along the tread shipment
point.
Like
it was
a river
or
a
.
.
.
harbor.
I see
big clam shells lifting coal off barges and
I thought
my God
,
you
know,
I'm
in the middle of
a land mass
here you
know,
there's no ocean
here.
Then
I
realized
I
eas analyzing and
I backed off
of
it.
And the only
pure image
I
had was the clam shell off-loading ore
or coal from
a linear object would could have been
train cars,
could have been barges,
I
didn't
know.
I
didn't play with
it anymore.
#31:
Okay,
that's
fine.
That's to the left?
#7:
That's
to the left
on Number
3.
#31:
Okay.
All right.
Third movement now coming
up.
At this touchdown
you had,
let me see,
where are we.
You
had
a feeling that
to the left and then you said
that must
be to the North
is shape reminded you
of
a suspension bridge shape.
#7:
Oh
yes.
#31:
To the right
is glowing again.
Okay.
And also at
this touchdown point,
you had
a lot
of pipes layed
only hundreds
out parallel like printed circuit boards
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#7:
Okay.
Yes
I
remember
that.
That was all
in the
same position,
but ....
The suspension bridge
shape gave me all kinds of trouble because
I had
just shook the feeling about water.
The previous
touchdown.
I
thought
Oh,
here we go again.
Bridge.
Normally you cross water.
And
I
looked and
I
.
.
on the moving imagery
I
just couldn't focus
on any water.
I
tried
to figure what the shape was
and
I wasn't sure it was
a bridge but
I
thought
I
better report
it and
I
still don't know what
it was
but
it was
.
.
.Oh,
basically there was
a
.
.
like
big columns,
or pillars
like with
a
.
.
.
suspension
shape inbetween and
I
.
.
.
wasn't comfortable with
this.
I
saw vertical lines appear and
I said
Oh,
no
your making
a bridge out of this.
And about there,
I
shook
it and got away
from
it.
I
don't know what
the heck
it was.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
I don't know whether vertical lines
I
invented because
it reminded me of
a bridge or
I
am sure
of the inverted
curve like that.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
Oh
yes,
there was glow off over
in this direction.
And,
there's some geometric shapes over here.
There was activity
over here.
Then,
somewhere
to
the right and
I
don't know
if they're connected or
not,
I saw
a
lot
of
.
.
parallel pipes and they were
going,
some were going
in different directions under
each other.
.
And, ...
I
thought
of
.
.
I tought
of New Jersey going up
.
.
past those cracking plants
sort
of thing.
I've seen that sort
of thing before.
But,
I
thought,
Hey
I
know what this
is,
this
is
a
cracking plant.
But then
I didn't feel comfortable
in saying
so.
#31:
What
do you mean
by
a cracking plant?
#7:
Petroleum cracking.
Where you make lighter oils,
gasoline,
kerosene from heavy crude.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
I
had seen.
That was the kind of pipes.
So
I
looked
around for some of the things that
I would recognize
that went with cracking plants and the image was pulsing
and moving,
fading
in and fading out,
and
I couldn't
find the things that
I was looking for to say,
Hey,
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this
is
it.
This
is
a cracking plant.
But
I
remember
all the lines going
in different directions
- pipes with vertical tubes and things reminded me
of cracking plants
I've seen.
I
immediately thought
of along the Jersey Turnpike there toward New York.
#31:
Okay.
That
is
on the right
in Sketch
4.
#7:
But the way patterns were laid out the overall feeling
of this thing was
I think
I said,
you just said
I said
it.
Like
a printed circuit board.
When you're up
high looking down
at
it
it was very geometric,
very
linear.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
These things are separate you know
I could not connect
them together
in
a total scene.
I'm sorry.
#31:
No.
That's
okay.
That's fine.
When you're doing
this type
of work you
know,
you get various imagery
from different directions and
so.
Okay,
I guess we
are now
at the fourth
- we move
on
into the fourth
touchdown.
This
one,
you had the feeling you were
on the ground to start with and then you got yourself
back up
in the air
or
you
got your focus up
- moved
up higher.
A martialing yard,
trains,
associated at
this point,
or possibly not associated,
but at the
same period
of reporting,
a big brick stack was below
you and
a parallel
long buildings
to the south of the
stack
or what
you perceived to be the south
of the
stack.
#7:
By the way,
I
can
draw
a heck of
a lot better than
this but
I
don't know what's wrong with me today.
PAUSE
Stack below me.
Martialing yard,
stack,
below me,
I'm sorry.
#31:
Yeah,
the brick stack below and parallel
long buildings.
To what
you perceived
to be south of the stack.
#7:
(Not audible)
PAUSE
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#7:
Its
a whole batch
of these.
They're just long
fabrication buildings.
Metal.
PAUSE
#31:
That will be Sketch
5,
is
it.
Yeah
(not audible).
PAUSE
#7:
Five?
#31:
Yeah,
five for
that.
PAUSE
Okay,
now moving
on
to another
jump.
Another move
to the East.
Your impression at
this touchdown
was
a little more sparse
to the left.
The only
thing you had
or
I
guess,
things
on posts,
like
a
sub station,
you said
.
.
#7:
Yes.
It reminded me
of
an electrical substation.
Forward and below me somewhere.
It kept coming and
going.
#31:
Also at this
jump,
you also had,
or this touchdown,
you also had associated with this point,
what
I
interpreted,
I
think you
said,
garden spray column,
more than one
(not audible).
#7:
I
don't know what
it was.
I
saw
just against
a gray
background,
white conical shapes that reminded me
of
the column spray out
of
a garden spray.
You
know that
cone white sparkly spray.
I
saw,
I think
its three
of them.
Not
in
a row.
They were horizontal.
And,
one
in
the foreground and one high and one kind
of low
behind
it.
I have no
idea.
I tried
to shake
it
as
just pure noise but
it wouldn't
go away.
.
.
so
I
figured
I'd dump
it.
#31:
Urn hm.
You also had apartment shapes to
(not audible)
South.
#7:
To the South,
yes.
Looked like moderate high rise.
Cement maybe.
#31:
Okay.
Substation
(mumbling).
Do
I understand on
these columns you
- they are horizontal
or vertical?
#7:
What columns?
#31:
This garden feeling
of spray
of conical shapes.
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#7:
The cone shapes were horizontal with the apex
to the left and getting bigger to the right.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
And they were just against
a nothing background.
#31:
Okay.
#7:
And they appeared
to sparkle
or pulsate.
They had
slight movement
to
them.
And looked for all the world
like
a garden spray
to me.
#31:
Okay.
Moving
to our next
jump,
when
I
look at
it,
this should be our last touchdown.
PAUSE
Oh yeah,
a fenced
in area.
#7:
Large,
large open
area.
#31:
Starting
off,
I'll give
it
to remind you now because
its,
you
know,
it was
a long session.
Reminds you
of inflatable plastic enclosure to the
right.
Its
smooth.
#7:
Okay.
#31:
There are all kinds
of things here,
small buildings,
piles of debris,
the fenced
in area with
a kind of
something that
I
did not pick up,
I
don't know what
the word was that you
used.
Big fenced
in area with
kind of
to the left.
#7:
I
don't know
I
remember thinking
it was
a some kind
of
a.
.
some kind
of test facility.
#31:
Right,
that's this session
here.
Or this section
of
it here.
Would you
.
.
.
#7:
Concrete pads
or hard pads
or stands
or aprons,
or.
.
#31:
Right,
going
on through your notes
or my notes,
complex
overlapping cone shapes.
That's when you felt some
kind
of
a test.
Parallel linear pattern coming
in
from
a great distance.
Big area spread
out.
Concrete
apron thing.
Okay.
PAUSE
#7:
I
don't remember
the cone tings.
I remember the
linear.
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