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And then we would end up with
.
.
.
Okay.
This
is
the hallway.
There was doors
there.
Okay.
Some.
.
.
I'd say
it was second room
down this
thing.
Okay.
Like that,
that's.
.
I
just
didn't
catch anything when
I went by
that.
I
got office feeling.
But
empty.
PAUSE
Okay,
with the two guys at
it.
Sitting like
that.
Somewhere else
down this room
-
down this
hall,
where
it
is
I
don’t
know.
I'm going to
separate
it
just
so
its
separated.
I had the
feeling of
a more appropriate
.
.
not more,
more
office type place.
A bigger office type place.
I had the feeling that the door was
set on this
side of
it
and that somewhere around here was
a
service counter type of
an affair.
Okay.
And
that
in the back here were several
desks,
such
and several chairs outside the door,
like waiting
I chairs.
Like,
what
I
thought,
I thought
I was
1 feeling like a visa proces sing place or something
i where people
wtTuld come"
'
ill and- woul-d wait
for.
.
\
\you know,
for a long period and then they'd be
\
called and they'd walk
in and they'd get their
paper stamped or whatever the hell
it
is and then
they'd leave.
Okay.
PAUSE
Okay.
Put
the
"X's" where
I saw the people./
And four,
three here and one guy outside.
/
What's
that,
that's Sketch
8.
'
PAUSE
And this
is
a waiting.
.
counter.
Okay.
I
don't
know
if they're any chairs
inside that
little
thing or not.
All
right.
I
didn't
see anybody
upstairs.
I
had the feeling though that something
was
amiss.
Something was peculair about
it because
-
this
is what
I
wanted,
what
I was talking about.
PAUSE
That was
the end of the hallway.
Now,
. I
had
the feeling that there was
a landing out
there.
Okay.
In other words,
if you walked down the
end of the hallway,
walk out
the end of the hall-
way,
you got
to this
landing,
you'd be able to
look down
in the
lobby.
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#66
:
Okay.
So,
you don't know which end of the hallway
you are
in when you see
that
though,
okay,
I
understand what you're
saying.
#10.5:
Well
no.
You got me down
to this end of
the hall-
way,
then you told me
to
go upstairs where
I
think
I
got up
to
a second level.
#66:
Yeah.
#10.5:
#66
:
#10.5:
#66
:
#10.5:
#66 :
#10.5:
#66
:
#10.5:
#66
:
#10.5:
And when
I
got
up
I
came up on one of the outside
wings of this
hall.
.
Okay
.
Okay.
Way
at the other end.
And when
I
got up
there,
I had the feeling that
that
interior
inside
the
end,
the center end of the hallway,
was open.
Right
.
Because
I
got
down there and when
I
got
down there
I
looked down on
.
.
the center lobby.
I had the
feeling
I could look down on the center lobby.
And look down on the top of this square thing that
sat
in the middle of the lobby.
~~
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So,
and that
there's stairs down there.
Which
I
hadn't
seen before.
Which
I
hadn't seen before.
Okay.
There's an open window at center.
PAUSE
Okay,
the reason
is
it was
as though
I
sort
of
a rail
lash
me
I
could see this
suddenly
got
the
.
thing was hollow.
sort
of
a burr
in
i
the
tWO gU” °
yrp-ya—a.
PAUSE
because when
I
got
there,
was looking down over some
up,
like this and down below
square
thing.
Okay,
and
I
.
I
got
the feeling that this
Okay.
And that
there was
somei
t
here.
And this was where
i-t t i n
g
.
like that.
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For what
it
is,
okay.
All
right,
that was
about
it.
Did
I
leave
anything out from the first place?
#66:
Okay,
before you move to the second building,
I want
to ask you
a
flat out question.
#10.5:
Yeah.
#66:
Did you see any people
in the other building
that you ....
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#10.5:
Flat out?
#10
. 5
:
Yeah,
we ran out of tape just
a minute ago and
I wanted to repeat the question.
Before you go
on
to this other building that you described as
Area
2,
in your examination of the first
area,
did you see any personnel that you would identify
with
as being hostage personnel?
No^
At
least
in the areas of the building that
"
<T"V/as
in.
I was trying to find people ,
because
that became apparent during the session,
that's
what you
.
.
.
what was of interest
.
And
I was
trying to find people and only these people
acting
I casually,
but normally,
non-hostage type things
[are the only ones
that
I
came across
in that session
When
I
got
to the second floor, ...
I was getting
pretty loose
at
that
time,
so,
I
don't
know.
My coverage of the second floor was not
good.
I
know that
(I
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Okay.
I was beginning
to
lose my
grasp,
I
guess.
#66:
Okay,
let’s move on
to
the second
area.
#10.5:
Okay,
second area
is starting with Sketch
11.
PAUSE
#66
:
Okay
#10.5:
What
did
I
see?
PAUSE
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I
am very unsure
about
the setting imagery because
of course
I
had
.
.
I was using the photograph
outline
as
I had seen
it
to be my "beacon"
if you
will.
You know
to focus
that
in my mind.
#66:
Yes,
I
had showed you an overhead picture of the
area and you were trying to
focus
on the area that
I
had designated to you as Area Number
2.
...I
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#10.5:
Yeah.
The only thing outside of the building
that
I
felt was that
on
.
.
.
in
a center of the
building somewhere near that parking lot ....
okay,
what would be the center entranceway to
the
building,
in the middle,
in
its middle,
is ...
.
hard to describe.
Some small
steps up,
okay,
to
get
to
it
.
But
the feeling
i naa was
that there
was
a wall
out.
Okay.
And the only reason
I'm
putting this down
is because
then,
you know,
if
in
fact,
its there,
you know,
it would lend some
feeling for what
I
ended up with
later on.
But
that
there
is
a down walk right
alongside
it.
How do
I
describe
it?
#66:
I
think you said
#10.5:
There’s
a way
to get
into the basement! "One or
two down basement
steps which are on either side
of the up
first
floor step on
the very front of
the building.
So that
like
if you were walking
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fizom the packing
lot
, JL f you
wanted to just
go into the basement
,
you
1 a just
hang
.
.
shift
to your right and you'd miss
the
up steps and you'd walk down
into
the basement.
And that that’s separated by some kind of
a wall
|
tj so that people don't
fall all the way
down the
/[basement
level.
So we end up with this up steps
U and we end up with down steps separated by
a wall.
Okay
and that
' s where you found yourself when
you first started focusing on this second area?
#10.5:
Yes.
#66
:
Okay
#10.5:
Okay.
And some sort of grass and
I.
.
or something,
you know.
Its
a little out of the normal beaten
path,
but somehow the sidewalk goes over there
and you can just miss this wall.
You can take
a
jog to the right
side
of
the wall
and walk down
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. 5
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#66
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#10
. 5
:
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#66
:
#10
. 5
:
#66
:
#10
. 5
:
#66
:
#10
. 5
:
steps.,
into
a pit built
in next
to the building
which contains
the stairs
and an entrance of some
kind.
I
did not
see any entrance but
I had the
feeling that that's what
the purpose of
it was
for.
Okay.
And
I
also had the feeling that
it was
duplicated on the other side of the building.
.
.
the other side
of the stairway.
Of
the up stairway
so then we
got
to another down stairway down there.
PAUSE
Okay.
That's
all
I
can
do.
Its just.
.'
When was
it
this dormitory feeling came to you?
It
came
to me after
I
got
inside.
I had the
feeling that
.
.
.
that the only imagery
I had
was one of
a.
.
I
took to be
a female person.
Um hm.
Sitting with
.
.Oh,
you know what
a babushka
[is?
Not
a babushka.
A
.
.
babushka
is
a shawl
in Russian,
I
think.
Grandma.
We use
it
as
a
shawl.
Kerchief over her head,
is what
I'm talki
about
Okay
I had a feeling
it was
a light kerchief.
What
she was
doing,
I
don't know.
I
just
saw this
.
.
feeling that
it was
a female person,
image,
.
.
.
in
a white
.
.
What
floor was
she on?
I have no
idea.
This
is where
I
got
lost,
getting
in there.
Okay.
I
saw that
and then
I
had the feeling of sleeping
area.
Of
like
four or
five beds,
GI
type beds
side by
side.
And then
I had the feeling of
a
.
.
of the woman huddled up where she was
like.
.
this and she
had her
feet
in
a white porcelain
metal.
.
thing.
And
I
had
a feeling of tile around
there,
like
a washroom.
You know,
like
a
.
.
almost
like
a shower type place.
You know,
it was enough
tile
-
I
had the feeling like she might be
in
a
dormitory shower you'd expect.
An almost public
shower.
You
know what
I
mean.
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# 66
:
Okay
:
#10.5:
Where people of the same sex share
the same
facility
for
like
locker room work and everything.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
And that's
all
I
had.
I had no
idea where that
was.
These were just very fleeting images.
PAUSE
You know how when you're
cold,
you bundle up;
you're shivering,
you hold your arms across your
chest?
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
You keep your legs real close together,
you know?
PAUSE
And she was wearing dark clothes.
Dark bundled
up clothes.
She looked bundled up
is what she
looked like with some sort
of
a heavy thing around
her hips.
And
I
couldn't
tell
if she was wearing
a skirt or
if she was wearing pants that had been
pulled up
at the
legs.
Okay.
My art when
it comes
to people aint good at
all.
Ha ha.
Okay,
she was sitting on some sort
of
a long counter
that was just high enough that
her feet would touch
the ground.
Okay,
it wasn't
like she was sitting
on
a short thing,
like
a
sofa.
You see what
I mean?
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Its like ...
It was
tile.
There was
tile
in this
place.
You know,
I had the feeling
of
.
.
of
.
.
tile and
.
.
light porcelain over the walls,
you
know the walls.
I
felt the place and
it was like
.
How
do
I
describe
it?
It was
like this woman
was sitting
in
a bloody steam bath.
You know how
when you're
in
a sauna,
they've
got benches that
are actually part of the wall
that
are not
covered
with anything,
they're waterproof,
they're tile?
You know,
they’re
just
slick.
If you sat
on them
bare cheeked,
you'd slide
all
the way down
the end
of
it.
And
I
got the idea that she was like sitting
on something like that.
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#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
You know,
that
it was tile
itself.
That
it was
like
a ledge built right
into the wall
and that
it was like
a bathroom or showering type of
facility.
All
I
can
do
is just write down these
impressions because there's
no real; tile
- much
light tile all
over.
Woman,
cold.
Shivering.
Sitting.
.
.
with feet
in ...
I had the distinct
feeling
it was hot water.
You know,
like people
will
do that
to warm their feet
up.
At
first
I
had the feeling that
she was
sick,
but then
I had
the feeling that she was
cold.
Okay.
And there's
much,
much tile all over the place.
And its like
a spacious
locker,
room,
shower,
bathroom,
feeling.
Okay
.
#66:
Urn hm.
#10.5:
All right.
#66:
Again,
I
ask you what
floor was this on?
#10.5:
I
can't tell
you.
I
don't
know.
By this time
I was just getting images.
I
didn't know where
I was.
I had no
lock
in,
you know,
I
had.no
.
.
The other building,
I was pretty sure that
I was
you know perceiving right
along,
you know,
in
a
line that
I could reasonably piece together but
now
I was just —
I could have been
all over the
building or
I could have been somewhere else
for
all
I
know.
Somebody
that knows
a
lot more
about
the building will have
to figure
it out.
#66
:
Okay
.
#10.5:
I
The other one
I
had,
Thirteen,
was
.
.
.
a.
.
or rather that's the same one that
I
saw the
first time or
not,
I
don't know.
I had the feeling
of
a woman with
a white kerchief
on her head.
Then
I
had the feeling of
a woman with
a white kerchief
on her head bundled up
in clothes with her
feet
in
hot water,
same or
different,
I
don't
know.
Okay.
And that's when
I
got
this one here,
the feeling
of
the tile
all over the place.
Okay.
Here
I
had
a feeling of
a room that had
a
number, four or
five
GI
beds.
#66:
Are you saying that
there are only four or
five
in the room,
or that
you saw four or
five
GI beds?
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#10.5:
All
I
saw was
four or five
GI
beds.
Okay.
I
never try
to say there are only four
in the room.
For
all
I
know,
they might have been
the only
four occupied and that’s why
I
saw the beds.
#66
:
Okay
.
#10
5‘
Now
whether
or not they're occupied or not,
I
can’t
tell you that either but
that might have
been what attracted them to me.
.
.
over possibly
others.
Okay.
#66-
Okay.
You have
a tendency
to look
at your pictures/^
and think about
if there’s anything else in the
S J/
room
is
.
.
.
#10. 5 ;i Sure.
Sure.
Okay.
I had the feeling of some
/
windows here.
And
I
have
a feeling that the
j
windows are bigger now that
I think about
it.
/
Windows were
like amost down to head left to metaL
i
frame
GI type beds.
All right.
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And that's
all.
That's
all.
There.
I
can't
tell you if they're occupied or not.
And
I
think that's about that time
is when
I started
developing
a dormitory flavor that
there was
not
necessarily
a dormitory,
but that
it was being
—
vfeed as
make-shift dormitory and that possibly
It
its where the
female of the group were being
.
.
il
were allowed to
live,
or were
living.
You know. Mf
I had the feeling like this woman,
Number
12,
naa
been outside and had done her thing for a number
I
of hours and was colder than hell
and had come
S*back
in off
of her shift and was sitting with her^.
feet
in hot water.
That type of
thing.
if66:
Okay,
are you saying that you're feeling
for the
woman with her
feet
in the hot water
is not
one
of
the hostages?
#10.5:
Correct.
Not one of the hostages.
My feeling for
her
is
that she's one of
students.
#66
:
Okay
.
#10
5:
Okay.
And anyway,
the section,
at
least maybe
a section of this building which may have had
another public service or
at
least
a Embassy
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may have been you know,
not
official.
Like support service.
Like you know,
what
do you want
to call
it,
like public shower-
ing area and
.
.
and possibly
a sick room,
you
know for Embassy people
that
get sick and that
-type of
thing.
With the beds and everything
lik<
that,
was being used
as
a make-shift dormitory
because
it wasn't
good for anything else.
You
know,
because they had people
in there sleeping.
And that maybe
it was the female segregated part
or the place where females were segregated to
sleep.
Okay.
PAUSE
And that's all
I
got,
#66,
on Number
2.
#66:
You seemed to have
a little bit of trouble by this
time trying to focus on
.
.
.
#10.5:
Yeah.
These were spontaneous
feelings.
There
was no continuity
to
them.
This was
imagery.
Twelve was
imagery,
Thirteen was
imagery
and the
idea of up and down steps was
imagery.
Okay.
But.
They were not
connected.
You know,
there was
no
continuity to them.
As
I
had
in the earlier Target
Number
1.
You know,
it was
a case
of going foot by
foot by
foot or going to
a place,
turning around
and looking back,
seeing what
it
looked like that
way
.
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
Didn't have any of that
control.
I was out of
control
.
#66:
Okay.
Anything you want
to add?
PAUSE
#10.5:
No.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING
(RV) SESSION CC19
1.
(S)
The remote viewer had been exposed to open source
news media information and overhead imagery prior to the
session.
He knew he would be working against
the hostage
situation
in
Iran.
2.
(S)
The following page shows the only information
provided to him at
the time of the session.
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Individual was shown overhead photography of
US Embassy Compound not
intruded herein
due
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