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#66:
How was he dressed?
#07^
Very dark grey or black clothing, black rubber apron.
#66:
Is this the one who took the photograph?
#07:
I.
.
.
I tried to figure that out,
I
just,
saw the person take
the photograph,
his back.
I looked for,
I thought
that he
wasn’t supposed to be being hiding,
looking through or over
a fence,
I didn't
see a fence.
I
saw no restrictions of his
taking pictures.
#66:
What was he wearing at the time of taking the picture?
#07:
It was a soft,
full cap,
like,
I guess it was daik loose
wool,
not black (mumble)
wool,
some kind of,
some kind of dark
jacket,
not a suit, work jacket,
could be denim.
#66:
Okay.
Is there anything you’d like to add now before we draw?
#07:
The originof the photo is known,
for some reason,
I don’t know.
#66:
Allright.
#07:
That's about all.
#66:
Anything else.
#07s
I don’t think
so.
#66:
Okay, if you have nothing further to add, then, let's go ahead
and draw.
#07:
Are we on tape?
#66:
Yeah,
I'll have the tape off for a minute while I turn the
lights on,
now.
#31:
Okay,
uh,
for debriefing why don't we start the portion right
at the beginning,
uh, you had some words regarding a ball on
a tower,
three
small ones in front of it,
the long racetrack-
like field,
not
a regular track testing ground, you're doing
a,
just a general sketch of the-
#07:
To explain it
I ought to draw more than one picture, what
I
assume the track would look like,
I mean a ground should look
like,
ihdswhat this track-like thing looked like.
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#07:
I didn't get to look at the three small ones to see if they
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were also supported.
I felt these balls were adjacent to
a large, open area where the photo of the tank was taken.
I'll call this area,
this, this A,
and I want to make another
drawing here that, of what
I remember, test areas for tanks
or tracked vehicles looking like,
and,
as I remember there
used to be a lot of areas laid out like this.
And the vehicles
would run down one track and come back down the other one.
And there would be several of these, they would be all tracked
up with tracks where they were going through alot of mud and
what-have-you.
All these scratchy lines are tank tracks.
The area in the middle except for an occasional track going
across it weren't nearly as chopped up as that and I'll call
that B,
that's the way I remember it.
This area looked like
a very-
#66:
Now we're going to
C, which is like your imagery from the
session.
#07:
Yeah, my imagery from the session.
But like a very large
area something like that,
and this vehicle appeared to be
going right across,
right through the middle of it.
Now
there was a lot of stuff chopped around here,
as though,
and
this was kind of uphill and downhill and what-have-you as
though more vehicles had been going around out here.
By the
way,
I thought the balls were up in this vicinity here.
Yeah,
I thought there were
some,
some trees,
evergreen, somewhere in
the vicinity of this thing, but I can't remember exactly
where they were.
A lot of tracks across this thing here,
and
the tank was running right along in this position,
from the
pos tion of the arrow, that'd be C.
It
just didn't look like
this regular dress,
right dress pattern that
I had seen years
ago of,
like the area in B.
#31:
Okay.
Relative to C there, did you have any feeling for
the location of the picture, where the picture, where the
action,
you, later on in the session you did have a feeling
that you had seen the guy taking the picture.-
I was wonder-
ing if you had a feel for where that was.
#D7:
The tank was about in the position of the X,
and the guy was
somewhere inside this area,
I thought from this direction^
photo, in here.
I looked for -a fence or something that would
restrict his presence,
I just naturally assumed that I guess
the thing was taken by an agent or something, you naturally
assume something like that.
And I'm surprised to find that
the person that we're looking over the back of, taking the
photo didn't appear to be under any great pressure or strain
It just assumed from that, that it was a local who wasn't under
a good deal of pressure.
#31:
All right,
now, we got the,
that's the, that's our blowout
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the test thing.
Now,
uh, #66 had you go, what we can do for
this sketch is we can do both of them.
Twice during the
session #66 had you go to about a 100 nautical mile altitide
and describe in terms of geography.
Now,
the first part of
that is where this place was, the test,
or whatever,
area
where the vehicle actually was,
and then the other time
was after we,
he,
had gotten you to the final assembly point,
then he had you move again and get an aerial.
And there’s
a relationship apparently between the
large
city and, where
the place was finally assembled and where this testing area
was,
so why don’t, for sketch two, why don't we just put all
that together.
#37:
Yeah,
I can't get mountains and streams and stuff-
#31:
No,
no,
no,
I, in the - you know.
#07:
I think the construction site was, uh, let’s call this point
A,
that's where the track is,
and,
uh,
B,
and let’s
see,
north.
That ary good?
#31:
Okay, B is where it was assembled, A is where it was at time,
at the beginning of this session, time the photo was taken.
What’s the city?
Did you mention a name for that?
#07:
Yeah,
I did,
I didn’t want to,
I didn’t know why,
I didn’t
know why I didn’t want to,
and I didn't know why it kept
bothering, but, uh,
for some reason I thought it was Moscow.
#31:
Okay, yeah, we need this since it’s on that,
too.
You had,
let me
see, uh, -
#07:
Oh,
I think this was about
60,
these are approximates, my
estimates, I’m looking.
#31:
Okay.
Let’s
see, it was 60 miles.
#07:
Thirty-five, thirty miles.
#31:
Yeah,
okay,
about thirty miles to the northeast from where
you were before,
that’s
site B, that's the factory.
Whatever,
Okay, we can move on to three.
You had
a, three is the final
assembly point,
okay, which is B on sketch two
.
You had
a,
you felt you were near the
city,
about 30 miles to the north-
east of where you were earlier, big factory complex,
about
30 miles southeast of the big city.
Did you have any- well,
you did have imagery out of there, now that
I think about it.
You were in a building,
let me
see, inside a foundry-like
building,
stacks outside,
stacks, yeah,
not final assembly,
something peculiar about the tracks,
cold and grey outside,
three is the tank, #66 asked you,
and you said it's over there,
without tracks on it.
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It was to the north of where the foundry building was, to
the northwest of where the foundry building was.
I don’t
know how far, it wasn’t very far.
#31:
Okay.
Did you get any imagery out of that building,
foundry
building area there -
What did you say, boundary or foundry?
#31:
Foundry, you said, yeah.
In fact,
yeah, you called it a
foundry,
light.
#07:
Uh,
I saw some kind of casting going on.
#31:
Uh, how about in that area, overview of that area, did you
have anything like that?
#07:
I think I
saw that like looking at a map, really positions
rather than any imaging detail, uh,
from about 40-50 feet
up I looked across the tops and I
saw grey dingy dirty
buildings with soot and smoke,
the filth of many years on
them, uh,
like,
like
a steel mill.
Some big stacks,
and there
wasn’t much going on,
I,
I mean I saw a few people, but it
was quiet,
I think it was probably night,
I don’t know.
Then
I got a close-up of track, vehicle track,
I don’t know who it
belonged to,
I assume it belonged to this vehicle,
and I kept
looking at it and noticing that there was something unusual
or peculiar about it,
and I wouldn’t know if there was some-
thing peculiar about
a track if I fell over it.
But
I felt
there was something important about it, and I thought is was
about the center of the track, you know, halfway from side to
side,
something intermittent down through there,
I,
I don’t
know what it was, it was round,
roundish.
I had a question
and I,
I guess I went to look for the tank then.,
I
saw it
sitting there, with tracks laid out on the ground.
Sitting
on top of tracks, but they were flopped out on the ground,
on the pavement.
#31:
Where was the round peculiarity?
Was it on the inside of the
track circumference,
or was it on the outside of the track,
as it was in a circumference f
Do you recall?
#37:
Well, it was up on the
side, it was up,
I
just assumed it
was on the inside.
#31:
On the inside,
like in where the bogie and the road wheels
were?
Okay, that’s what
I wondered, if it was outside or
inside.
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#07:
I thought there was something, normally you’d expect something
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like cleats or something, but there was something round, had
a roundish shape to it,
and I know you hear there’s some kind
of cleats like things, you know, it makes this thing in,
some-
where.
Something about the middle was roundish,
and I thought
the top end of it almost,
looking straight down, it looked
almost round. in this direction,
as well as having full round-
ness in the vertical direction.
I don’t know.
PAUSE
#31:
Get one to label that as,
call it the interior or the track,
or-
PAUSE
#07:
I don't think, that’s not the outside of the trail.
#31:
Okay.
#07:
It could be just
smooth.
Was there anything else that, um.
.
.
you want
'em to hear?
#31:
No.
#07:
While we're discussing this?
#31:
No, that's fine.
PAUSE
#31:
Okay.
All right, uh,
at the
end of the session,
something
funny about taking the photo, you said did not feel tension
of pressure
as though they could take the photo again if they
wanted to,
or had to.
When you had the feeling the guy devel-
oping the film was not rushed, wearing rubber smock,
and that
type of thing.
The guy who took the photo you had the feeling
was
sort of full cap, dark loose wool,
dark jacket,
not
a suit
but like a work jacket.
And then at the final session after
the free flow the last statement you said was that the origin
of the photo is — did you say known?
#07:
Yeah.
#31:
Okay.
Okay.
Do you have any idea?
#07:
Oh,
I don't know who the hell knows.
#31:
Yeah,
I know but I wondered if you might have something further
you'd like to add?
#07:
I know that's a broad,
funny statement after I hear the dang
thing,
but, uh.
.
.
I would assume that oft time you know, you
come in session imagery that you really don't know where it
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Session CD—53
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Target Cuing Information
Remote Viewing
(RV) Session CD-53
I.
Cuing Data:
a.
shown a photo of target item
II.
EEE:
a.
focus attention on photo
b.
move to space/time position at which the photo was taken
1 )
describe surroundings
2 )
move to altitude and locate this area.
Identify.
3)
distances to nearby features?
focus attention on equipment
move in space/time to the place of final assembly of the equipment
1)
describe surroundings
2)
move to altitide and locate the area.
Identify
3)
distances to nearby features?
c.
d.
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