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They look like trucks,
but they're funny looking too.
Some kind of
a off-center nose.
I
keep- seeing. ..
.
at the end of
this,
this,
this shield like thing that
goes down the back of the trucks,
I keep seeing this
. ,uh.. looks like sort of
a ball and
a cone type affair.
Looks alot like
a ball
on the end
of
a cone.
That's
towards the back
of the
truck.
There's very large clamp
like devices on the back of this truck that hold this,
this like shield.
It's like shielding on
it.
Get
a
strong impression that
in this building they're working
with. .... .this part of the building
is where they use
..uh..well machined metal. This strong impression that
metal,
rough molded metql comes into the building and
it's finely machined heie.
They're doing fine machine
work here.
Refining rough made parts,
or something.
Putting something together from further machine parts.
Think maybe the trucks are assembled here,
but,
but
the truck is not the major thing that's made.
What's
made here
is what
the truck carries,
I
think. Something
to do with alloy v
There's
a special alloy
of metal
that's used here
too.
Explain the raw data that makes you
say this.
Uh ... I
keep looking for roughly smelted metal,
and
I keep getting
a more refined type of metal being used
in this building,
and yet they're refining
it even
more by machining.
It's like the word molybdenum
or something like that keeps coming in my mind.
Like
a very hardened steel of some sort.
You know.
Like
a highly polished defect-free form of steel
is being
used here,
and
I
keep getting these cone and ball type
combinations,
and..uh..
There's something
to do with
a truck.
There's
a specially designed truck for....
maybe the truck's used for moving things inside.
I
don't know,
but there's
a specially designed truck for
combining with this... I
don't,
I don't,
I'm losing
I want you
to relax again.
Focus your attention on
this area.
Don't work too much
on analyzing what you
see.
Simply report what you
see.
Focus your attention
solely
on the interior
of the northeast
to the building.
Tell me more about what you
see in there.
Careful not
to analyze.
PAUSE
I see this loading ramp and they're heavy concrete
ramps that go up
to this loading ramp,
and there's
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....I
see
like these cog wheels by the side of the
ramps.
They're either drawing something up the ramp
or whatever goes
up the ramp fits into these cog wheels.
There's high ceiling with. .. .looks like some kind of
apparatus is hanging from the ceiling.
Appears
to be
a
second floor to the building but there's holes cut
in
the floor
or what would be the overhead roof.
There's
holes there with structured ramps and things going
:
through the halls.
There are tall black objects that
go through these halls.
Some kind of.... look like they
might be roof supports.
They're tall and round.
Move up to the roof and look down at the area underneath
you.
Describe
it
to me.
PAUSE
I'm looking at
I'm getting two images.
I
feel
like when
I
go to the roof
of this room and look down
I
see this ramp or series of ramps in this loading
dock type affair with
a pattern of tracks and like
a
almost interior parking bya of some sort.
When
I
go
backwards into the roof structure
I
see..uh..an
oval
hole
in the floor and this large,
large support thing.
This black support thing coming^ coming through there.
Sort
of
a key-hole type design to the right.
Almost
appears
to be
a delicate. .uh. .sort
of
a delicate cage
like structure next
to the support.
I don't know how
to describe that.
Tell me what's down
on the ground.
PAUSE
There's. .uh. .ceil.
It's
just like
a large bay.
I
don't... I
get the impression I'm seeing
a big truck
park
of some sort but it's under the ceiling and
there's these
uh...some kind of these covered
shields like are stacked along.. uh.. I don't know what
it
is.
Some kind of
a slide ramp like affair by the
trucks.
Tell
me about these covered shields.
It's like tubes inside tubes;
pipes inside pipes.
I
don't... they look alot like
I don't
know.
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I
don't know.
They're curved on the
top.
They're
painted dark metal;
and they're long and thin and
they got like flat sides.
For some reason
I
keep
associating the cones and the balls with these.
Touch them;
feel
them;
explore them.
Tell me about
them.
PAUSE
They're
thin.
I
get a strong sense that they're
disposable for some reason.
They're thin metal and
they're disposable.
And,
I
also get
a feeling that
there's a..... I don't know.
It's
a sensation more
than anything.
I get..... when
I put. .uh. .hands flat
against
it,
I
get
a feeling that there's this over-
whelming sense
of strong engine
of some sort behind
it.
Just
a
po\per behind
it.
I don't understand
that feeling.
I see what loo
I'm getting
al
much sense.
I
delicate and
and power.
It
I don't unders
th
0k.
While you
a time check.
Iks like
a thimble.
Some kind
of
a
jit
of things that don't,
don't make too
get
a strong feeling like they're very
en
I
get a feeling of this strength
s like they're both at
the same time,
tand it.
Some kind
of
I don't
know.
re on the target here,
I want you to do
I want you
to be
at the target at 1000
hours,
1 April
1980.
1000 hours,
1 April 1980.
0k.
Make sure your time sequence is correct.
It's correct.
Now,
tell me about the activity
at the target.
PAUSE
I'd say it's a little less active than it normally
is.
It's probably right,
right now at about 38/40 percent
of its normal activity.
What
is the normal activity?
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Normal activity
is one
of more,
more finishing,
more technician finishing.
More production,
but
production seems to be
very
low,
for some reason.
They've either finished
a great batch of whatever
they're doing
or there's some seasonal reason why
they're production is
low.
It's
a much lower
production.
I
get
a very strong sensation that production
is
extremely important.
It's either important to us
or it's important
to them.
I
think it's important
to both.
Uh...I see reduced production but not
entirely.
Maybe 40 percent,
and -there's. ... .it's
very,
very cold here.
Extremely cold here right now.
That may be
a reason for the reduced production.
It's interesting.
I
even know how they heat this
building,
I
think.
I get
a strong sensation that there
there's large furnaces
or something,
nearby,
and
they're actually heating half
of this complex,
this
city with the heat from the furnaces.
Heating some
kind
of huge furnaces.
It's abnormally cold here,
I
think.
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Focusing your attention now on the target area,
you told me about some loading ramps,
I believe.
#01:
Right.
#28:
Explore the target
in the way that
is necessary,
and
describe what is loaded at the loading ramps.
#01:
I
see
2 things.
These shielded objects are shield
type objects.
I think they're put on some specially
designed truck.
The truck
is then driven up the ramp
onto
a flat bed railroad car.
There
is essentially
two sections to the
ramp.
. The northeast section
of
the ramp
is for loading these trucks and objects
and the southern most railway loading area is for
incoming
. ,uh. .supplies,
material.
The northern
railway
is. .uh..you send things out and. .uh. .southern
ramp area is to bring things
in.
Definitely two ramps.
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Tell me more about the shields
shielded vehicle.
I
don't understand whether the shields are loaded
on
a vehicle
or there
is
a vehicle that
is shielded.
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They're loaded
on the vehicle,
and this truck like
vehicle
is,
is built
a certain way that carry these,
these shields.
I
keep wanting to call them shields.
Uh....I don't know why
I
do that.
But,
they're
like
bent shields.
Uh ... there
' s a truck specially designed
to carry
'em,
and it's either mated up with the shields
here
at this,
this factory
or the truck is actually
also built to the factory.
It's all loaded on to the
...uh..onto to these flat cars,
these railroad cars.
OK.
They're shrouded.
They're covered with shroud when
they leave.
0k.
I want you to expand your awareness and
consciousness now to a much broader perspective
of the
target concept.
Allow yourself
to freely float through
time and space focusing only
on these shields.
Look
for imagery which tells you
their ultimate use.
PAUSE
Get
a strong impression that there. .uh. .wait
a minute.
PAUSE
I
get alot
of impressions,
but..uh..I
think their
primary,
their primary purposes is to provide
an all-
weather protection for some kind of
a launch vehicle.
I
don't,
I don't
know what kind of
a vehicle though.
I
,
I
get strong sensation that most of the launch
vehicles probably manufactured here as well.
But,
there's
a great portion
of
it that's missing.
0k.
I
don't know.
I get
a feeling that the guts are made
here but not
the. .uh. .maybe not the guidance package
or something.
Tell me
a little bit more
I have one more question.
Tell me
a little bit more about the ball and cone
concept you've had.
I
just keep getting visions
of intermix balls and cones.
I,
you
know,
I
don't,
I don't know how to... I
get all
different views
of
it and
I don't know how to isolate
it.
Strong and clear impressions of these cones and
ball shape things all fastened together.
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