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#36:
something,
they're like boards,
uh,
like... like briefing
boards,
or,
uh,
chart paper or something.
Shouldn't be
folded. .. .1 'm seeing what looks like
a fancy ornate fire-
place where somewhere.
. .a stove...
#14:
Okay.
You're doing absolutely super.
At this time
I want
you to move to the north side
of this building.
I want you
to move to the north side
of this building.
I want you
to
look out through the window on the north side and describe
what you see.
#36:
I
see
a rather.. .off at some distance there the darn thing
seems to be,
uh...a building that's taller than
it
is wide.
I think it's, uh...from this angle it looks like the top
of
it
is,
uh,
is flat,
but
it,
it could have
a kind
of
a peaked
roof inside of there.
The,
uh,
facade around the
top.
I
get the feeling I'm looking through a... I
got
a very weak
translucent image of a... like looking through a small park.
I see
a few... few trees,
and a...walkway
and.
. .something
on
my right that for some reason is reminding me of
a horse.
I
don't see anything that... I
had that kind of feeling.
#14:
Okay-
#36:
Street over there
to my
left about,
uh. ..a couple hundred
feet,
it goes away from me down that way.
#14:
How far away from you
is the building that you described?
#36:
Ohh,
it's hard to tell distance,
but I'd say,
uh,
just be
a good,
it's over three blocks.
Maybe.
. .maybe a little more
than that...
Off to the left of me...what seem to be dull,
haze,
I don't understand that.
I
get the feeling of a...
even more narrow spire
or a tower like,
uh,
structure.
Not
an antenna tower,
but like
a building tower.
That would
be to the left side of the street that's on
my
left.
And
it's way over there.
Oh,
there's buildings on this street
over here,
I forgot to tell you that...
Over there,
further
to the right
I can
see,
seems like the buildings are...
bigger
on the other side
of that street on my right than it
is on the side of the street near me.
Between those two
streets
I
can
see' things 'there,: but
: they . .Vbet\i/eeni the
,
street on
my right and the street on my
left,
on street
ahead
of me here
I
see... things that have
less vertical
development.
Whole thing seems kind of low key
in that area.
Not very interesting to me for some reason.
The buildings
on the other side of the street to my right, uh.. .1 don't
know,
they kind
of seem like commercial buildings,
big,
uh,
big,
uh,
big... I don't know,
three stories high
or
so.
#14:
Okay.
Let's- you've done very well.
Extremely well.
At
this time,
remaining at your position at the window,
I
want you
to turn around.
Turn around,
facing south,
remain-
ing at your
location.
Face the south and describe the room
that you are in
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#36:
#14:
#36:
#14:
#36:
#14
#36
#14
#36
#14:
#36:
I don't know,
I
think
I'm... up
off the ground,
I,
I must
be.
I'm not on the ground floor,
I...I'm getting.. .this doesn't
look
like
a room.
It looks like
a.. .big hallway.
It's big
enough,
it's got some.
. .pretty nice old furniture in it...
And
I
see light way over there.
I think
I
can see clean
to the other side
of the... clean to the other side of the
building.
Either that or there's
a skylight over that,
down
there somewhere.
I sense it.
This hallway must be shaped
like
a cross,
because
I,
I
can see openings about
a third
or so of the way down it open to my left and my right.
Okay.
I want you to focus on the walls.
Do you see
any-
thing
on the walls that stands out?
I don't know,
I've got a... a linear pattern.
Tell me about this linear pattern.
Ah,
it's very faint.
Coming and going on it moves towards
me and then it moves away from me... kind of dark in here
you
know.
Focus-
Just a vertical linear pattern.
Focus on this linear pattern.
Got my eyes on the pattern,
and that horizontal linear
pattern about waist high.
Could be
a wainscotting
or some-
thing.
Some kind of horizontal pattern and... got that damn
high frequency whistle again.
Do you associate a color with this horizontal pattern?
Hard seein'
anything,
it's the same color as
the.. .same
color as the vertical pattern.
#14:
Tell me more about this vertical pattern.
#36:
Ah,
it's.. .I'm sorry,
I
forgot.
What'd you want to know?
#14:
I want to know more about the vertical pattern.
#36:
Oh,
yeah... okay...
Uh,
it's very subdued light in here.
There's this,
on my right there appears to be very dark
gray linear bands,
uh,
I
guess a darker gray,
almost
black...
Seem to be
a horizontal band about three
or four
inches thick about waist high goes horizontal.
#14:
Okay,
at,
at this time I'm going to have to turn the tape
over.
All right,
I want you
to relax and maintain your
focus.
I will try not to disturb you.
I want you
to re-
main at those patterns.
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#36:
#L4:
#36:
#L4:
#36:
#14:
#36:
#L4:
#36:
#3-4:
#36:
#L4:
#36:
#3-4:
#36:
It’s kind of boring looking at this thing.
Okay.
Ready to change the tape.
,
All right, #36.
I want you to focus on the dark gray or
black linear band or bands that you perceive.
I want you
to follow these linear bands, describing as you go along
what you see.
They're out here on my right.
I feel that it turns... to my
right.
Goddamn ! ... .1 don't know,
I got a... I don't feel
good.
I...
Okay.
Think my imagination's got the best of me here.
I thought
along this hall here was... just went way down there.
And it.,
just for a flash of a second looked like . .
.
Okay.
...looked like I was in a dungeon. . .like. . .dark as hell in
here.
Okay.
I don't know.
Where are you at this time in relation to the room you
started from?
Well, think I'm still up here on this floor.
It's above
ground level somewhere.
I was looking down this... I was
looking down
s-,
looking south.
Tryin'
to
see in this damn,
uh, damn outpost here.
I could see light
at the other end
of the hall and I was...
Oh,
yeah,
I
see where I
am.
The
wall to my right was a gray vertical pattern.
I moved along
that wall and there was a hallway to my right.
I'm standing
here looking down that hall.
I don't know,
I
tlrink I'm
imaginin'
tilings.
I would just as soon not... try not to
analyze
.
Okay, then don't try to analyze.
I want you now to look
down that hall that you were looking.
Do you see any stairs?
Look to your left.
Do you see any stairs to your left?
Oh, yeah, in the corner there's some but that’s not down
that hall.
Looking down the hallway, if you were looking, where are
the stairs located from you?
Right here immediately on my left.
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#14:
Very good.
Very good.
#36:
Bat they’re right, you know?
They’re right. ..I can’t see
them.
I saw them a while
ago.
#L4:
I want you now to focus on those
stairs to your immediate
left.
I want you to proceed up those
stairs.
When you
reach the top of the stairs describe what you see.
#36:
Wait a minute
I can’t....I’m having trouble
holding concentration,
I... .keep drifting off.
Just a
minute. .. .1. . .1 feel that... this don’t make any damn sense.
I keep looking at the stairs,
and. . .appears that the overhead
of the stairs that goes up is round rather than. ..than flat
ceiling.
It appears...
#14:
Okay.
#36:
Rounded.
#L4:
You’re doing just absolutely super.
And I have one final
request before we call it quits.
I want you to move back to
the guard and the desk.
When you’re
at that location,
let me
know.
#36:
I can see it from here.
#145
Okay.
#36:
Okay.
#14:
Okay.
I’m going to move you outside the building,
but before
I do I want you to take a look at this desk and tell me if
you perceive a telephone
at this desk.
#36:
It’s not on the desk.
#14:
Is there a telephone near the desk?
#36:
Yes, but I haven't found it yet.
Just a minute,
I know...
not on the desk.
I feel it’s. . .around and behind and to the
right somewhere.
It's not on the desk.
#L4:
Okay,
I want you to focus.
Focus very carefully on this
telephone.
#36:
I got it.
#L4:
Okay.
I want you to move in very, very close.
I want you
to try and read the number on this telephone.
This is
very important.
#36:
733 something, or a 933
something...
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Concentrate.
You're doing absolutely remarkable.
Concen-
trate.
Concentrate on this number, the full number.
933...there is a
I'm sorry,
I can't get
'em in the right
sequence.
Have to
see each letter at a
time,
each number.
Okay, give us these numbers.
The 7 is a gray number.
But the 933 seems to be black.
The
number in a jainute
(mumble) .. . 7339 .
But then I wander off
and I remember what I'm supposed to be doin'
and I come back
and it looks different.
Pretty interesting place here.
Okay.
You've done very, very well.
I want you now to move
past the guard desk and on out to the front of this entrance.
I want you,
once outside,
to turn around facing the build-
ing.
I want you slowly to drift up, up in the air, until
you reach the rooftop level.
At this time I would like you
to describe the roof of this building.
Ahh...I feel there's a... I guess you call it a private
thing.
Wall like facade around the top.
And there seems
to be
a rather shallow sloping roof, that's shaped, that
slopes in all directions.
I mean that, uh, there’s no ver-
tical fronts to the roof.
It slopes downward and slightly
to the north,
east,
south and west.
But the gutter line
seems to- that don't make any damn sense.
Anyway,
the
gutter line
seems to be below. .. .below the facade.
Below
the parapet,
parapet,
parapet thing.
Seems like
a.. .hmm...
I get the feeling that there’s metal in the roof somehow.
Like, uh,
soldered metal.
I
see... couple protrusions over
there.
That’s be,
uh,
let's
see... north side. . .toward the
norhheast corner I
sense that there’s
a. . .something stick-
ing up like a...vents or chimneys or something.
Is there anything more you would like to add before we...
,we quit?
Do you perceive any box type
shapes on this roof
or anything?
I just told you about
’em.
Very good.
Seems they could be,
uh,
(mumble) they protrude upward.
They could be vent devices or a
or something.
I
don’t know.
They must be about...must be about... I don’t
know... a meter or so across on one of
'em... about a meter
across.
I can't figure the damn things out because it...
one of
’em looks like a little. ...a little,
like a little
dollhouse or somethin'.
That’s over there to the left.
Can’t figure out how this roof has got
a little slope to
it.
'Cause from the ground it looks like it’s flat.
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