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#46:
And if they were ever intercepted in the avenues of approach
they wouldn't stand
a chance.
The principal difficulty
if
the approach
is made without opposition
is simply climbing
from the avenues
of approach over the top of the ridges and
pouring into the other side
of the border .. (mumble) .....
.
#14:
Is this pass suitable
to vehicle type traffic?
#46:
It's narrow,
but
it can be done.
Again,
you have two lanes..
Within the last three
or four miles,
that
is where it's most
restricted.
But
I think you
can,
uh...
#14:
Okay.
#46:
You run your vehicles through there.
Someplace
in there you
got
a tight pinch but you can do it...
Only
if you had to and
wanted to but
I don't think nobody wants
to.
#14:
All right #46,
I want you,
once again maintaining your focus
at the pass, observing the pass,
I want you
to move forward
to
a point
in time when there is activity taking place
in this
pass.
Move to a point
in time where there
is activity.
Describe this activity.
PAUSE
#46:
You may... you may have
a. .a rocket missile type emplacements...
in about.. .four years,
five years.
And then
their principal
purpose would be for
a defensive....
They got any-
thing else?
#14:
No,
I have no further questions unless the analyst has any-
thing...
Okay.
I have no further questions.
At this time
#46
I want
you
to come back
in
time,
come back in time...
back here to the room.
Take
a deep breath,
stretch your arms,
stretch your
legs.
#46
:
Was that going?
#14:
No.
#46:
Okay.
#14:
Why don't you tell me about drawing number one.
#46:
Okay,
uh,
I gotta give you
the impressions from an overview
point of view,
so to speak.
And this consists
of the last
maybe four,
five,
six,
seven
last miles of the pass.
Uh,
the
initial approach to that pass
is
a single type gulley
thing,
quite wide,
and can be
vehicles and personnel
and whatever equipment you wanna draw over there.
But then
it,
the geographical disposition as you come close to the
border is comprised
of
a ridge of mountains
or peaks to my
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right and one to the extreme left.
And in the center there
is
a,
another,
a third peak, which
is not quite as high,
particularly
as
it tapers towards the border.
Not as high
as the peaks to the right and left of
it,
but sufficiently
high
to give
one the impression there are two small ribbons
or avenues that culminate
into
a,
sort of
a small clearing,
if you wish, before
the border.
And immediately before the
clearing
is
a ridge.
Uh,
I think it would be impractical to
move equipment and troops,
although the troops could get over
it
if they were unopposed.
It's just not as high as the
border ridges
to the right and left
of it.
But if there were
any opposition
I don't see how you could even,
uh,
contemplate
moving personnel or vehicles in there.
#14:
Okay.
What you're saying
is at the border area it would be
difficult
to move vehicles over that area.
#46:
Yes,
yes.
They would be funneled into ftom a bigger avenue of
approach into these two small ribbons
of type roads and they
would be gorged in there,
and any opposing force
I think would
really
do
a good job on
'em.
Uh,
couple other observations.
I
found the place
to be desolate.
And,
uh,
the impression of
an observation post and token force
of personnel on the ridge,
in
fact,
right
in the center... is the only activity going on
at that
time.
#14:
Could you determine the nationality of
the observation post?
#46:
I made an assumption that they were Chinese only because of
the map and so on,
but
I
don't know that.
Uh,
when
I
saw the
missiles
in the future they definitely were pointed from the
Chinese border towards the other side of the border.
But the
weird thing there was that it was defensive,
not offensive.
#14:
Can you graphically display the missile?
#46:
No,
no.
Their prime purpose for the use
of the missiles was
the cover afforded by the ridges and the fact that you could
hide
'em quite well.
And it was
a perfect location for
the
missile,
rocket/missiles,
that's what
I
got,
rocket slash
missiles.
#14:
Uh-huh.
And was their location within the drawing that you've
got here,
number one?
#46:
Oh,
yeah,
yeah.
In fact
it was within this entire area,
per-
haps for the concentration of stuff like
this.
On both sides.
#14:
And could-
is there any way that you could determine how far
into the future
you were?
#46:
For the,
uh- there are two things about the future.
When you
moved
me up one month there seemed to be
an increase of per-
sonnel,
but
it was like
a toothless
tiger and that
is
it
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seemed as if-
I
get the impression
it was a political move
to bring
a token presence.
Now this- we're talkin'
about
a lot of personnel,
but it's still
a token presence that
really hadn't.. was not equipped,
nor intended to be equipped
to cross the border or to undertake any activity across
the
border.
It was just as
if
it was
a political move
to indicate
that
a presence was there.
Now I'm talking about.. I don't
know.
Certainly not division level.
Certainly smittering of
regiments of-
I
can say
that.
Uh,
and
it was just
a token
political presence.
And then the other scan into the future
.
I went as far as
I can go till
I met something.
#14:
Right.
#46:
And that's when the missiles and the rockets came up.
But this
is what
I might interpret to be about
foijr
or five years
out
on the pike.
And there were
the,
uh, w&truL impression was
that these rocket/missile emplacements were for defensive pur-
poses.
#14:
Okay,
very good.
I have no further questions.
We'll conclude
the session at this time.
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