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This
will
be
CENTER
LANE
training
interview
for
1000
hours
September
1983.
Relax
and
concentrate,
relax.
In
going
there,
relax,
relax,
relax.
Focus
your
attention,
your
perception,
your
awareness,
center
now
on
Paul
and
Tom's
location,
focus
and
concentrate
and
describe
their
location
to
me
.
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Tall,
square .... slanted
bright.
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Correct.
•
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Open
,
.
.
.
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Correct.
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Rough.
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Stage
II,
correct.
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A gurgling.
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Stage
II
probably
correct.
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Edges.
#66:
Probably
correct.
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I
got
to
break.
#66:
Fine.
#CC:
I'm seeing
a whole
picture.
#66:
Okay.
#CC:
....Finding
it
difficult
to
bring
out
the
words.
#66:
That's
fine.
We
call
A0L
break
visual,
and
now
describe
your
visual,
now
that
we're
off
target,
describe
your
visual.
I'm
seeing
a
road
and
a
bridge.
I'm
seeing
a
structure.,
on
legs
with
something
on
top
of
it,.... with
trees,.. an
open
area,
a
big
open
area.
#66:
Okay.
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All
right,
now
your
AOL
is
in
structure.
Now
I
don't
feedback
on
AOL
and
the
point
you
have
to
understand
is
that
what
you
may
have
described
may
be correct
or
it
may
be
incorrect.
May
be,
right.
Yes.
And
it's
fine
that
you
declared
it
as
AOL,
so
that
what
we
do
now
is
we
go
back
to
the
basics
and
go
back
to
where
we
were
before,
in
describing
in
structure.
The
key
is
to
stay
in
structure,
so
we
will
go
through
the
induction
process
again
and
acquire
the
target.
And
you
were
doing
very,
very
good
on
discipline,
very,
very
good.
So
let's
proceed
again.
Relax
and
concentrate
now.
Relax
and
focus
your
attention solely
and
completely
on
Paul
and
Tom
and
describe their
location
to
me.
Flat.
Correct
.
Tall.
Can't
feedback.
Circular
.
Correct
.
straight
.
Correct
.
.
. .Hard
.
Correct
.
.
.
.
. Dusty
.
Probably
correct.
Cool
.
Can't
feedback.
Slanted
.
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Probably
correct.
Running
Can’t
feedback.
Admin
break.
When
I
say
can't
feedback
it's
because
I
can't
tell,
for
example,
the
word
tall
maybe
be
tall
to
you
but
not
tall
to
me,
so
I
don't
say
correct
or
incorrect,
I
just
tell
you
I
can't
feedback.
Urn,
urn,
okay.
Now
is
terms
of
running,
I
say
can't
feedback
because
I don't--
— You don't
know
what
I mean
by
running.
That's
correct.
But
I
called
a
break
because
we're
talking
now
and
we're
not
on
site
and
I
want
you
to
not
stop
when
that
happens.
There's
another
thing
that
I didn't
mention
to
you,
but
you're
doing
very
well
on
your
discipline,
I
heard
you
pause
for
a
moment
a
while
back
and
work
your
way
through
it,
that's
called
a
confusion
break,
when
you're
not
quite
sure what
to
say.
Umm,
urn.
Rather
than
letting
the
mental
processing
drive
you
crazy,
you
just
declare
a
confusion
break
and
then
go
back
into
it.
But
I
noticed
it
was
only
maybe
two
or
three
seconds,
so
you
didin't
have
enough
time
to
get
screwed
up
on
it,
but
you
did
very,
very
well.
Okay,
let's
reacquire
the
site
now,
relax
and
concentrate,
relax
and
focus
your
attention,
relax,
relax,
relax.
Focus
your
attention
on
Paul
and
Tom
in
the
present
time
and
describe their
location
to
me.
Bright.
Correct
.
Dark
.
Correct
.
dusty
.
probably
correct.
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Rough.
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Correct.
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Gurgling.
#66:
Can't
feedback.
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.
. .Square.
#66:
Probably
correct.
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... Slanted
.
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Correct.
Okay
we've
had
a
stage
of
stage
IIs
now,
let's
move
beyond
stage
IIs
into
the
sketch
and
drawing
mode,
which
requires
you
to
now
put
dimension
into
the
site,
to
have
a
change
in
the
apperature
so
that
you
can
see
three
dimensional.
Acquire
the
site
now,
acquire
the
site
and
move
beyond
sensory
components
into
three
dimensions.
You
can
draw
for
me
later.
Relax
and
concentrate
and acquire
the
site.
Break.
Do
you want
me
to
say
things
like trees?
Absolutely
.
Okay
.
Trees
is
not
a
sensory
input,
it's
a
stage
III
dimensional
input.
All
right,
acquire
the
site
and
describe
the location
to
me.
Trees
.
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Correct
.
.
.
. Stream
.
Probably
correct.
. .Bridge
.
Correct
.
T rough
.
Can't
feedback.
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•
•
.
. Ah
,
hills
.
#66:
Can't
feedback.
Near
the
site?
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.
.
. Ah
.
. stony
.
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Correct
.
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. .Road.
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Correct
.
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.
. Dirt
.
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Correct
.
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Weedy
more
than
grass.-
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Can't
feedback.
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.
. Bushes
.
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Correct
.
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Tall
structure.
#66:
Can't
feedback.
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I
ah,
see wood
structure.
#66:
Can't
feedback.
Okay,
movement
function,
top
of
bridge.
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Cars,... ah,
across
a
stream.
#66:
Okay,
bottom
of
bridge.
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.
.
. Stream
.
#66:
Okay,
left
of
stream.
#UC
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..ah,
bushes,
trees.
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Right
of
stream.
#CC:
Same
.
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Shape bridge,
stage
III
drawing.
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Narrow,
ahm.
.
. .two
lane.
for
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Concentrate
now,
focus
on
lane.
Describe.
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black
surface, .. .divided.
#66:
Okay,
break
from
site.
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Urn,
um.
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SKy
on
top
of
bridge.
All
right
acauire
the
o-it-p
acquire
the
site
now,
focus
on
top
of
bridge,
in
structure,
report.
ye
»
in
#CC
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Short
narrow
.
#66:
Correct
.
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hard.
#66:
Correct,
that’s
a
stage
II.
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Correct
.
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Semi
smooth.
#66:
Correct.
Almost
a confusion
break there,
go
on.
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Yeah.
...Rails.
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Correct
.
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Line
.
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Correct
.
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Flat.
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report ^
*
°kay
’
acquire
ralls
-
Touch
stage
II,
#CC
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Cool
>
rounded,
. .smooth.
#66:
Stop.
Acquire
line.
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Lime.
#66:
Did you did
say
L
I
M
E lime?
#CC:
Lime,
I
was
#66:
Okay
.
#CC
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Okay,
lime.
#66
:
I’m sorry.
#CC
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Straight
.
#66:
Stop.
Orient
rail.
#CC
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Explain.
#66
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From
your
perspective
describe
position
of
the
rail.'
at
the
site
the
#CC
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On
the
side,
both
sides,
not
a
confusion.
track
,
... not
by
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Confusion
break.
#CC:
*
have
two
things
going
through
same,
a
hand
rail
and
a
track.
my
mind
at
the
#66:
Okay
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#CC
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And
I
did
it
to
myself.
All
right,
we’re
goina
to
declare
a
cUo
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means
you
have
descriheri
tho
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site,
which
,lc* vt!
aescrioed
the
site,
and
we’re
nm'nn
zrjxg
& °£
a
and° draw
as
Ph«t ^
then
aSk
y ° U
COme
around
here
had.
bSSt
you
can
the
Perceptions
you’ve
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All
right,
this
is
the description
of
the
drawing?
IJif
is
a
narrow
road
leading
to
a
bridae
over
a
type
trees
Stream «e bushU^ioSTushy
Lype
trees .
And
there
is
a
larae
dirt
area
,
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With
rocks
on
it?
IKlPi/iS*
area,
so
this
area
would
be bright
sunlight.
All
right.
type^ structure^
and
ln
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saw
some
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right.
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the
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on
and
Lt
was
again
a
narrow
road.
The
bridge
was
short,
was
divided
with
a
line
with
short
hand
rails’.
It
was
a
narrow
snr.
,,.
could
hear
the
water
moving.
It
was
them.
aS
° U9h
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back
here
lo °king
over
at
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in
the
wrong
der.
Okay,
do you have
any
other comments?
No
.
# 66
:
Okay,
fine.
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