a Approved For Release SyfeGrrh. DP96-00788R001900550001-2 IAGPA-F-SD 03 July 1984 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1070/8404/01 (U) 1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 211325 March 1984, source #01 was interviewed by monitor #66 concerning the location of an individual identified as William F. Buckley. The project 8404 sponsor had provided a photograph of Buckley (see Incl 1). 2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was shown the photograph provided by the sponsor and asked to decribe Buckley's location. No other identifying data was provided to source at the time of the interview but source was aware that Buckley (name not told to source at this time) was a kidnap victim. All other intelligence information was withheld for use as feedback and cuing for possible subsequent interviews. 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor. This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached to the report was a drawing provided by source (see Incl 3). Association with the below named individual and Military Intelligence is CONFIDENTIAL. SG1J 3 Incl as OPS/TNG Officer NOTE: Information of immediate operational value was provided to sponsor immediately, or as soon as possible, after the interview. CLASSIFIED BY: CDR, INSCOM DECL: OADR WARNING NOTICE! Center Lawe- SPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAR: PESTRICT DISSEMINATIGN TO THOSE ITM VERIFIED ACCESS we ytgene ene CATEGORY 3 Fe ne Ee el RS RE eNO ae lh Bt et it Approved For Release 2 SE CR 8R001900550001-2
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i Approved For Release 2000/68/08! Gh RDP96-00788R001900550001-2 TRANSCRIPT HU-1070/8404/01 #66: . This will ROJ for 3/21/84, time is 1:24 P.M. Now plus 10 minutes, we're down 5 points on GSR, looking to start here pretty quick. The voltage is swinging down, microvolts on the left hand are also swinging down lower. Okay let's walk down close ta the gate now and concentrate, deeper and deeper and focus your attention on the individual in the photograph I've shown you. Focus on his location. Relax now, relax more and more. That's better, that's it. Relax more and more. Relax, focus on his location and describe it to me. #01: The hallway's bend towards the, closer to the outside, its like they run along the edges of the outside walls. This building's broken up into suites, sections, exit doors apparently, there is one exit door on each ..... back section of building, going out to the parking area. see eeeeee ‘.eeee (mumble) different section now wee wees blocked off suite like areas, three or four #66: Real time plus 16 minutes, voltage reversal now. #O1: eeeseLarger rooms,..... there's some people in it, it's like a....a large table, mostly around the table,... the corridor off to that goes back to the group of smaller rooms.  ..... Um, there's only (mumble) it's like a sterile bedroom,...just a bed, table and Chair. weve vecnvscccecvcccssvsvvecs And girl there is ah..blond hair, dirty blond hair, she's like talking in the conference room or whatever it is, big table. ....... Guy in the corridor sitting in a chair. #66: Report the condition, physical, mental condition of the individual in the photograph I've shown you. OO Physical condition is not very good. And he's not eating anything. ...... -emotionally he's very...very bad shape, emotionally. ....... He's convinced that he's not going to make it. a eee cece ce eee ..l think that's the intension #66: Break that out. NOU RELEASADLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS Approved For Release 2000/08/08 RP96-00788R001900550001 -2 STwel A
#OL: #66: #01: #663 #01: #663 #01: #66; #Ol: #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : ERD P96-00788R001900550001-2 Cem eee wee et eee ~»-l see like ah...ah...ah.. certain point they! re keeping him ah..up “to, and then he's just going to be eliminated. I don't think there's any intention of ever giving him up. This eating situation, is this of his choice or of the people that have him? cee e reese .-it's his choice. He's ah...he's convinced that's he's not going to make it, that's why he's given Up.  .seaee soeeeeecGems to be some inference here as well that's he's picked up on, that he's only good for so many days and they're just going to eliminate him. All right. If you'll listen to the sound of my voice for just a moment. I need to do some more work with this individual, like you're doing now. But I need also to go outside and up and look around. Do you wish to go outside now and come back to him later or do you wish to stay in contact “with him? -Hell, let's deal with him first. All right, then. Using all that you know and all that you understand, move closer and closer to him, beyond the confines of my ability to move you and ask him if he knows who these people are, ask him to tell you who these people are that have him. eee eens It's ah....apparently it's ah...joint operation of two groups of people. Report raw data. I get ah...spider web appearance of..different colors,..... (mumbles) (mumble) Southern Europe and ah....there's a ah..meeting of minds where they come together, it's like they consortium of control, where one group doesn't have strength and the other one might, they support one another. In this particular city, evidently there's a sharing in this between two groups. ..... I understand then that the people who have our man now, are two in nature, there are two groups or two sets of people that hold him, that have some sort of agreement? 8-00788R001900550001 -2
Approved For Release 2000/Q8i0 #01: #66 5 #01; #663 #01: #66: #O1: #663 #01: #66; #01: #66: #01: Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : 3 P96-00788R001900550001-2 Correct. Ah....the stronger of the two is not a large group, and the weaker of the two is a large group. It would appear the people there, they're, ..the majority are from the weaker group. The people in charge of the organization of...of this ah...operation..are very tiny, small select group but....very much in power, as far as the group cohesion. All right, now, from your perceptual point, you getting this information from the individual in the photograph, or are you seeking this yourself? I'm kinda getting this from all over. All right. Because this individual may have a unique knowledge of these people, I wish you to address your questions to him. I would like to know what his opinion, his input is, as to these captors. Real time plus 29 minutes. eee eee ewes Get ah....there's a ah......I don't know how to explain it. I get Red Brigade, but that, I'm not sure if that's overlay, it's coming in very strong, but it's out of their area. And ah..I get them associated to...providing unknown faces and manpower. The other group I get is some kind of ah...quasi political group that's...based in extreme Southern Europe. But they're very small and it's like they're not even known hardly..... All right. Now, before we move outside,--- It's got a political name. .....4..- It's not like your typical terrorists organization type names, its a political name. Do you have a phonetic on it? cee eveeceeseeeANees eNO, but it's a short word, less than three syllables,.....F, it starts with an F. .....Possible it could be a man's name name. Say again. Possible it could be a man's name. BR001900550001-2
Approved For Release 2000/0§ #66: #O1: #663 #O1;: #663 #01: #66: #01; #663 #01: #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA:R DP96-00788R001900550001-2 Okay. Let's let that rest. and cook a little bit. Before we leave this individual to go outside, I want you to move back close to him, see if we can't help him in the present crisis he's going through, give him a little confidence, give him a knowing that there are those who care for him. And after building up a rapport with him, see what information he could give to us which would help us help him. seer eae eee eeeee He doesn't have a lot to offer in information, he was duped evidently. He thought the people he was talking to originally were different than what they turned out to be. soe. And ah....tremendous feeling that he still doesn't know what he's dealing with,..... other than fair impression of....intention on their part. «...++.-- Real time plus 35 minutes. He doesn't have a lot of things to bolster here, he's not carrying a lot of energy for himself. Why was he taken, what was the reason for picking him up? From his point of view he still doesn't understand that. ..... Trying to dig deeper and find the reason for that....hold on just a minute. Let's leave him with some strength to deal with his situation. Send him some energy, let's give him some strength to deal with his present circumstances. Okay. Tell him that you know that he was a ranger in the army. Tell him to grab some of the strength of his younger years as a ranger. Okay All right, let's move away from him, up and over the building and continue on the next mission of describing the location of the building. Take your time, I will wait. 94 88R001900550001-2
Approved For Release 200 nt : #01: #663 #O1: #66: #O1: Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-0Q -RDP96-00788R001900550001 -2 positions about,....5,000 feet centered over this town,.... running ah...a slow curve on the.... left are these buildings slightly into the edge of the town and curving away from the town in south, southeast direction. I get a sense of heights or rocks or cliffs or something, (mumble) hills (mumble). There's a river, runs north, northeast to the south, southwest, fairly wide, almost in center of town. This particular place is ....-. in that one other area, I can describe as a park, adjacent to the lower edge of the river, it extends beyond the town, back into the town. And I keep getting a "Y" impression like there's a tributary of the river that breaks off to the west, southwest. There's a large section of buildings on the ah.... east side of the river, is a (mumble) old square of cobblestone. Adjacent to that in the north, northwest is a very large church or stately type building with a dome section. Say again. A dome section. It'd be ah..somewhere else in the city, a very, very steep, where the city meets the cliffs or the hills. And there apparently are some ruins that cut in and out through the rock. ....Shopping section, stores, here are main center of stores is directly north and just off the river, north of the square and I sense that it is between there and the square that, ...to the east is the building from which he was taken. ....The building he's held in now is to the south, southeast, in old section of buildings. It's almost up against the clitrs to the higher heights of the edge of the own. Okay, you've run: through several descriptions so fast that I've lost you, so let's um,..fixing your location at the site, then tell me, from the site, the other things that you can describe. JI can work reverse azimuths later. From the location, from the site, then describe to me. Just a minute. see e eee eens Dead over the site, and a compass,...entire eastern side is all cliffs, rocks or hills, highest heights above the city, residential old buildings, narrow. streets, cobblestone streets many of them, ...all jammed on the right, the east side. Due west, river above the "Y" but below the cathedral and the city 88R001900550001 -2