SGFOIA3 SGFOIA3 — +04 Approved For Release 2008TREPTS (OUR Pere Po7eeRoonco0250001-9 #66: #31: #66: #31: #663 #31; #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: its present [ocation to me. - PAUSE Two, uh...(mumble)...that are off to the right and, um... a big sheet of thick layered thickness...laying to the right, like the door..like a door or something like that. It's off on the right side slightly to the rear... Okay. Tell me of your position of observation, your relative position as you observe this. Ground level..right rear...25 yards... Okay. Now the very first task I have for you at this location, the very first task I have for you. Now as I talk do not move from this site, do not move from this site. I want you to stay at the site, but notice something. Look now, while standing at the site, look now for the rising sun in the east. Look towards the east for the rising sun early now in the MOFNinNG..s Sun is on my right.. Having now- Little rear. Having now fixed the sun rising in the east, describe the surrounding terrain to me, knowing now the direction of the sun in relation to the terrain. PAUSE Still feel this feeling of a cut..which goes from my left to right, which-.would be east to- west to.east. That's maybe... 20 yards wide. And there's a linear pattern. Earlier I had a feeling of looking down between treetops..to the aircraft.... Your position of observation at the present?..... Sorta drifting around it..looking for any else.... Okay. Fix yourself over the crash site, fix yourself over the crash site, and I will help you look for significant indicators. Fixing yourself over the crash site describe your observation altitude to me. About 1,000 feet. There's..the valley feeling is still here. The valley runs east. A short way towards the sun is a, uh... is another little hill bump that comes down from the left. On the right is a cleft between two hills. That's at about... 2 Approved For Release 2 FOE FQ FE F007 88R000600250001-9
+15 +17 Approved For Release 2ooSidafs (6 faQrf286 po7sero00600250001-9 #31: #66: #31: #66: #313: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: two-thirty to..to the site. It's like a little pass down here on my right. Once you're through that pass you're real close to..to the site. Okay. Now the site itself, describe its position on this valley... Feeling is still that it's on the..foothill slope of a..sort of a larger hill or mountain on my left side. And the slope- That is the north side. It is on a north facing slope? No. Describe the direction- It is on a north slope, a south slope. The north side of the valley. All right. The northern side of the valley on a slope which faces south? Am I understanding? Yeah. All right. Now from your position of observation 1,000 feet in the air, describe the level of visibility of the actual site, from this relative position...ccceees I don't know. I don't think you could see it unless you were right over it. All I see is the bumpiness everywhere of trees, I can't.. Okay, very good. We will work. on this a little bit later nov. Holding your position of your perspective, holding that per- spective, knowing that right below you is the crash site, look now down the valley, look now down the slope coming to the valley. Describe the valley to me. Down the slope from the site, look down there and describe the valley to me. PAUSE No, there's a, uh...seems to be meandering creek in it. There's water, I have a feeling of light water in the valley..part.... There's a..at the head waters of the creek which would..some- body lives in the valley. Uh, some sort of unmarked or uncharted structure in the valley, down at the other end, at the west end. I sort of had a feeling of like an Indian village or..two or three hootches, huts. Maybe three or four miles from where the crash is. Approved For Release 20feiepro fdr sf-007ssr000600250001-9
Approved For Release 2003 CORE Pts #663 Describe the method of access to this small group of structures. #31: Just walk along the creek side, that's all, I think.. Just the creek bank trail... Uheseee #66: Okay.. Return now to your 1,000 feet directly over the site. There you are now above this slope, above this slope looking down, you see the trees below you. Now, looking towards the sun again, the rising sun, fix in your mind a tether line down to the site. Fix in your mind a tether line down to the site. Now move around the compass at 1,000 feet. Move to the east. Move to the north, holding on to your tether line looking down at the site. Move now to the west. And move now around to the south. As you look down your tether line and move around the compass slowly, broadening wider and wider the circle you are drawing now. Describe for me the direction from which you can best see the crash site. Look down your tether line and describe for me the crash sitev.ecese #31: It's not east. Looking back at it from the east it's asseceeee Well, I, uh, think your best bet is from the south side. #663 Looking at the target from the south now describe the scene to me. #31: You don't see much of anything, but on a green upward sloping carpet you're able to get above the tree level, so you can +24 look at the slope carpet. You'll see a notch in the carpet from left to right, which is the terrain feature of the cut, or of the flatness on the hillside. And I think that just above that you'll see some evidence of a crash in the treetops. Like, uh, scorching or where it's been burned off. But if you look at it from just treetop héight from any side you won't see it because the foliage masks the burn, except from the bottom up, where the trees are lower on one side and they're higher uphill. #66: All right. #31: And you can see the scorchness on that side. #66: Describe to me this cut you mentioned. #31: It's the flat thing I was talkin' about that's about 20 feet- 20 meters wide, that goes from west to east that the heli- copter is in. #66 All right. Now at the end of your tether, at the end of your tether, as you look at this from the direction south, you're looking generally up this slope at the end of your tether. Now holding this position at the end of your tether, describe your altitude. Look down now, not at the crash site, but look straight down and describe your altitude. Approved For Release Sabo OR fed ooreen000600250001-9
+30 yo '% & Approved For Release 2003/09/05 (ished bee-Jo7eeR000600250001-2 #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: #66: #31: G6: I'm at treetop level, down in the valley looking up the hillside. Now look down the tether and describe the distance from this position to the target. Oh, it's, uh...four or five hundred yards up, probably more four hundred yards up, um, up slope from the floor, from the very bottom of the valley. Okay. Not 400 yards from your actual position at treetop, but 400 yards up from the creek. I don't understand your description... ..cees It's about 400 yards from the creek. All right. Very good. And it's north of the creek. And going north of the creek you have to go up the slope. I understand, yes. I understand. So I'm just a little bit above treetop level, so I might as well be on the ground for all intensive purposes. All right. I understand. Okay, very, very good. Rise now on your tether directly over the target. Rise now on your - tether directly over the target. Now just concentrate now for a moment, just relax and concentrate. Directly over the target. Now as I talk I want you to recall in your mind some previous imagery, but don't leave the target. Recall in your mind the town you described in your previous session, with the western look and the old church. Recalling this town while you hover over the crash site, describe the direction from the crash site to the town... It's about, um...seems to be, my first impression is it's a.. looking to the town it's a little bit left of 180 degrees, like about..somewhere 155 or 160..somewhat east of due south.. As you face the town then, describe the position of the sunrise. It seems that the sunrise is right along the shoulder of the mountain to my left hand. It's right on my left side, right about, a little bit forward. of due left of me. Okay. Now, maintaining your present perspective over the target, maintaining your present perspective, I have one other geographical fix for you, one other geographical fix. Holding your perspective, before we move on, describe the distance to the town, the distance to the town....-«. Approved For Release 2o6ofibefAHAPSF-00788R000600250001-9