Approved For Release 2002/ #1: #66: #1: #66: #1: \-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7 As you're looking now at the outside of the building, as you focus your attention now on the building, ask yourself, "How do I find this building?" Ask yourself, "How do I find this building?" PAUSE Very center of the city —~ the very. . . the very heart of the city. (Not audible - room noise). (Not audible) the road that goes to the right. . . about seventy degrees from the center of the wheel. PAUSE Maybe . . . two kilometers (not audible) to this building. . . next to the decorative building. (Not audible) its (not audible) “the Iranians don't like. I don't understand that. PAUSE This . . . section of the city is not liked by the Iranians. I don't know why. Its a feeling I got. The section where the building's located? Yes. Okay, is this Oh. . . strong, repugnent feeling I got when I was looking. . at the road going through this area. . . Iranians don't like it and I don't know why . Some work there (not audible). PAUSE Okay. . . . Any outstanding terrain features that looking down at the building from several thousand feet up that would help us locate this building. Hmmm. PAUSE Marl cay Cerne ate tfa eer Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7 —
Approved For Release 2002 96-00788R000800250001-7 #1: “The decorative building looks like a - oe a big E with a period in the center. I'm not sure I understand what that means. PAUSE See two courtyards behind it. And they're framed. Framed courtyards. me - PAUSE — ™, ~ “Decorative building is the key” oa Fits a landmark. / PAUSE #66: Okay. I have no further questions about the target. I'd like to provide you the opportunity at this time to add anything that you would like to add. PAUSE #1: I just... I got a very strong... . sense of dislike or ...amore.. . more repugnant feeling for this whole section of town. IT don't know how to qualify that. But I think its very important. That's all. #66: Okay. PAUSE I'd like you now to draw those perceptions that you've had. PAUSE #1: T don't think I want to move. PAUSE I had a terrible time concentrating on this session 766. PAUSE Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7 ~
Approved For Release 2002/0 Sditaials 4. 1P96-00788R000800250001-7 Bl: I don't know why. (Not audible) PAUSE Kept drifting away from the target here. PAUSE What was that? 766: Do you think your imagery is valid? PAUSE #1: Yeah. But there's... the building that these hostages are in is .. . I'm pretty sure, fastened to another building that's smaller. But, I'm not entirely sure whether or not that's completely accurate. Say that. It is in a long line of buildings, approximately the same size. Its on fa street corner and. . its very much related in some way to this decorative building. Like its a compound of buildings that represent scme offictal function of some sort like its a .. . like this building is the functional part of this entire ya {complex of buildings right in here. #66: Okay. #1: As far as their function PAUSE And I keep seeing the differences between the decorative building and this building, I keep seeing a dividing parking area. When I look at the overall overhead view of the way that the buildings are laid out, I'm not sure if this is like off the one end of the E or off the actual end of the building. You know, its actual position in relationship to the decorative build- ing is difficult. . to ascertain other than the fact that its right next to it. Its kind of a confusing . . kind of a confusing thing. PAUSE So, on Page 1, I guess I'll do a picture of the interior and just work out from there. 766: Okay. Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7
Approved For Release 2002/05/ <iasi@it@7™ 6-00788R000800250001-7 #1: Getting an impression of a. . . this building being fastened to a smaller building like this. This larger portion being flat roofed and the attached portion is not flat roofed. PAUSE I sense on the third floor there's stairs about like here that go up. PAUSE Stairs that go down. And at this portion of the wall is like a . .a corridor that goes like this. And that this area is all open here. Over in this area. Its all open here. Its like a desk or something Here. I think there's . a lot of small rooms in a row down this corridor. [tes like a dormitory type effect. And I don't. | I don't get a strong impression that these are cells or anything, that they are used for some other reason, but I just get a... . there was Tike 10 or 12 of these and about the first eight, which I'll mark with X's, are occupied by hostages. #66: Okay, when you originally described them, you Said they were like cells and then you kind of kept exploring them and then you said well they're really not cells. #1: Right. I don't know how to explain that. 766: How were they furnished? #1: Very, you know, a small table, or a stool or chair that doesn't have any back or arms, a stripped bed and essentially that's it. From what I can see. I was for Some reason, I was particularly interested in finding a mirror in one of those rooms and I don't know why but I was unable to find a mirror and I don't know why I had that distracted interest. . . in finding a mirror. #66: Okay. wl: So... you know, I just have, there's some- thing like scratching in the back of my mind here and for some reason I had an interest in a mirror and I don't know if that. . . didn't notice if there is some kind of glas j doors or what, you know, but it one-way or two-way glass of some sort. servation type Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7
Approved For Release 2002/05/ ram #66: Fl: 766: #1: #66: #1: Bis -00788R000800250001-7 room. Its like if you were to go into a hospital and say okay, we're gonna take this whole floor right here and we're going to put on locks and heavy steel fire doors to all these rooms and we're going to call this now a detention room. Or a detention floor. Okay, so were these rooms locked? Yes. They were locked with slide locks from the outside. Heavy bolt slide locks. And the doors were . . What were the construction of the doors? . . When you looked at them? Just metal. They didn't appear to be, you know, heavy. I would call them fire doors more than I would cell doors. Okay. I think that's the flavor I'm getting. . . from this. You know, its the way the thing is constructed. For economy reasons, it would make a fairly good cell. If you had the people and they were close (not audible) observation. But would not normally be used for a cell that holds prisoners. I have a strong feeling that this is some kind of a... this building has something t i a correctional institution, but a prison. Okay. Correctional institution. Its almost like, you'd never have prisoners there permanently. It was like a holding area or something but not really police associated. Well, that's not really true. From your diagram right now, I didn't want to interrupt what you were saying before, from your diagram before, what you have right now, I can't tell which side the doors to these rooms are in relationship to the stairway. Okay. I'11 just put the doors in here. They're on the stairway side then? Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7 ~“
Approved For Release 2002/05 SP TRRIPI-00788R000800250001-7 #1: They're on the stair - the desk side, where this guard, and I'll put a "G" in guard, is sitting. Call him a guard, but I don't sense he's armed. PAUSE That's kind of strange. Down here was like a room in this corner that had some people in it. PAUSE And they're sitting like at a table or something. Its like a break area of some sort. PAUSE These are also guards. And. . . two of these are armed. 766: Now, you were saying before something about, this is like a correctional institution, but not a prison. #1: Right. #66: “And police oriented. #1: Well, no. This sort of confused me a little bit. PAUSE You know, I have an analytic problem here. I have a personal desire to say, Oh yeah, this is police station. And I think that's analytic because of what I'm remote seeing. And, I would be more inclined to say that its got the flavor of a ; correctional institution but I wouldn't jump tof; conclusions and associate it with the police. i You know, JI feel like that would be analytic for me to say that. #66: All right. #1: And I don't want to say that. But I do see that these guys that were in here are wearing some kind of a uniform shirt. Maybe its some kind of an adopted uniform or something for their particular brand of nationalism or something. I don't know. But, its a dark shirt, like a very, very dark brown or black shirt and there's some kind of Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7
Approved For Release 2002/05/17 ¢ CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001 -7 complex or enterprise or whatever you want to call it. This side that faces the street, I sensed a large walk with some very large trees lining the street. This being a grassy area. PAUSE bi just sensed there'd be some large trees here along the street. This being the street. And incidentally, a large street, with cluttered with traffic. Down here this turns the corner and this is a small street. And its a lot quieter. I sense like there was people walking up and down here. #66: On the small street? Fl: Yeah. On the small street. But not on the large street side, because of a lot of heavy traffic over here. PAUSE And . . the doorway. #66: Did that large street continue on? #1: he large street's that spoked thing that / comes out of the center of the city. / #66: Yeah, but you have it turning to the small street, am I. . ?? Fl: Oh. The large street. Yeah, the large street goes on by. #66: Okay. #1: Goes right on by. The small street's a left hand turn off the large street. Although, I don't remember seeing another side, you know, another end of the small street going in the opposite direction. #66: Okay. [= CF af ..8 \-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7 Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CT.
Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7 #1: Its like a "T" intersection where the small street hits the large street. Page 2. The doorway appeared to be just a standard stone block square doorway. And there appeared to be double doors. maybe one step. Very simple entry way. 766: This is the side entrance you're drawing now? ml: This is the front or the courtyard entrance. 766: Courtyard or front entrance, all right. #1: Yeah. And there appeared to be, on both sides, some kind of a .. just a section of column like a column you would cut in half and glue up against the wall. Two decorative column shapes coming down like this. This was kind of . . design up here. An oval of some sort. Street indicator or something. There was some kind of design in this oval. PAUSE Now essentially as the ..... . And I sense that . . there were windows on this side of the courtyard but on the other side there were no windows. Courtyard entrance. #66: Okay. It would be appropriate time for me to ask you now to discuss the confusion between the three story/four story building. Fl: Well, . . . outside looking at the building, I get the impression of three floors of windows and a flat roof. Inside I get the impression of being on the third floor but with stairs going up like to another floor. Also, inside, on the third floor, I get the impression there are no windows. So. . you know, that's . . I know that's very confusing, but that's the impressions I have. And you know, I could analytically attack that and say well, inside maybe I'm counting a basement and outside I'm not. Or inside maybe there's another floor in the attic. Which of course, I'm not seeing because of a flat roof. You know and there's .. . I don't know how to explain it. E ¥ bean bettie | Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7
Approved For Release 2002/05/1 766: #1: P'9600788R000800250001-7 Okay, that's fine. That's essentially the feeling that I'm getting. Page 3, well I'm not going to . . the other door, I'm not going to do, because all it is is just a square front and just two very large heavy wooden doors facing the street side. And the wall was bare all the way down. Grey stone. No windows. . on the street side. On the ground floor anyway. The . . . Page 3, the front of this decorative building I get the impression is like an arched or semi-arched kind of entrance with the you know, the decorative white stone work like .. .this witha... fancy steps. . in the front. As well. And they're recessed in here. And its like another semi-arch and there's big double doors in there with more of the, you know, the stone work or whatever in here. And that the face runs through the square section of the face like this, drops back a little bit and then the wall comes in this way. That sort of thing with a big oval driveway. And this being a street out here. And that there's, you know, this portion, goes up to the top of the building. Okay. Write decorate building next door. Or something or other. Do you feel that there is some connection between the decorative building and this other building? Yeah. Yeah. Like .. . there's some shared i: function. You know, like if this would be nt of fi t to ment of Agriculture, that would be Department of Internal Rice Growers or something. Okay. You know, there's some functional connection. And . . . looking from the very top, I get this impression that there's this main road and this little road. . and there's this rather large grey building here. Now, I'm not sure about the positioning of this decorative building, but I'm getting, I'm getting like the impression that its like this. The shape of it, I'm fairly certain of. we cres. Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7
Approved For Release 2002/05 /dajaiafebiteBD295-007882000800250001-7 =66: 766: #1: #66: Fl: It looks like a giant "E". And there's like a period in the "E'" on the decorative front out here in the driveway. Okay, now, before you said you had trouble really orienting the decorative building to the grey building as to how the "E" might be turned or how they ?°? Okay, let me explain that. Okay. There's a row of buildings, incidentally, that go this way. Okay. I don't know if they're associated or not. This courtyard for some reason, I feel like its boxed. These 2 courtyards. Okay, the reason why, is I sense an open end to the left, okay. . when I'm looking at this courtyard. And I sense it being closed in on the right so I don't know If this grey building's positioned like this like this in Page 4, which I for some reason I feel like is appropriate, that its positioned like that - or, let me give you some variations on Page 5. Then Page 5 will be a variation. A variation of the way that that might be positioned. There might, in Variation A, the "E" shaped building might be like this with the grey building on the end. PAUSE Sharing . . .like a common rear courtyard. Or, in Variation "B'"', it might be that the "E" shape building is .. . this way. You know. (Not audible) or whatever you want to call it. But, the thing that I think is important, okay, there's I think that the .. the . . "“E" shape of the decorative building's important. The shape of the grey building is important. In the fact that in every case, the grey building on the smaller connecting end has a row of buildings going out from it. PAUSE Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7
-00788R000800250001-7 characteristics hégre. 766: You're not Sure about the orientation. #1: The orientation of the building I'm very con- fused by. But there is a courtyard separating the two. #66: Okay. wl: And I don't know why I had the confusion. And the courtyard and the "E" shape building appears to be fairly boxed. The "E" shape building, incidentally,is very large . where the gray shape building is perhaps a fifth the size of the "E" shape building and that there is a cluster of buildings there and that the buildings represent some general sameness of unction. 766: OKay. #1: And that these aren't cells that these guys are being held in but some kind of a converted detention area of some sort. That's essentially it. #66: Okay. #1: Oh! And, I want to reiterate, probably that the strongest part of this whole session that doesn't make any sense at all to me, was maybe of importance, is that the general Iranians have a dislike for this section of the city for some reason. Almost a repugnance, like maybe its not a moslemic area of the city or something. There is one other thing. Page 6. To get there, I feel like you have the center, or the heart, what they call the heart of the city, and that there's spoked roads gsoing out. There's like five major roads going out. And that this road where the arrow is is the one that goes to this facility and its like seventy idegrees from Northern section of the city. ‘And you know how my directions are. 4 ie Approved For Release 2002/05/17 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800250001-7 —