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Aha.
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Let's see.
Now that...
Is that discernable from overhead?
No.
It's covered.
That's covered.
Definitely
covered.
Okay.
That's what you told me after
I
asked you
to
go
around,
through,
whatever,
the cloth
or whatever.
Yeah,
yeah,
right.
When
I
got underneath the
cloth.
I
got
a
feel-I
don't know exactly where the cloth was hanging from,
but,
it may have been hanging
somewhere; over this ramp.
Aha.
like,
you would have to drive down
in under this big
earthenware covered support
to get towards these pits.
These,
these pits would be viewable from the side
if
the
cloth wasn't there,
.;..you know.
Okay.
Aha.
And,
now these pits,
I should draw
a cutaway,
I
guess of
these... I
got the feeling like
they were
very
deep,
like
this sort
of affect,
and
I
can't,
perspective wise,
I
can
t
tell you how far apart they... and
I
don't... I
think they
re
farther than they appear
in my drawings,
but,
I
can
t be
specific about how
far.
And,
this channel
like thing connects
'em... this like channel area here... and they are
like
very
deep
.
Do you have any
idea what that
dcptli
i
Well
over
10 stories.
When you were mentioning something six
or seven stones
remember.
. .was this what you were referring
to.
Do you
remember?
/Jell,
I was referring
to this part,
here.
That
s six or seven.
And,
then underneath that
is this big work area.
. .like. ...
and it's big... wide open... and
I also got an impression that
down
in here there was
a further sunken section
to this
pi
.
It was
in layers.
And,
coming from those layers were......
these-like.
. .cooling tubes.
.
.where they would,
under high
nressure could pump water
into these sections
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That sort
of
thing.
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Aha
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And,
then there was like structural metal
on
the inside that
went
up the walls.
It had like... you know,
the erector set
appearance
to
it, like they were constructed to carry great
weights.
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Okay.
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And,
somewhere
up here was this... ramp section,
like
this.
That sort of affect.
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Okay.
When
you referred
to something as being more than
one-half completed
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Aha...
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what exactly
is it that you were
talking about?
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The interior
of
these
pits.
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The interior of the pits.
Yeah.
I
got the feeling like they're doing the finish work.
There
is
this flash
of welding,
and hall
the
stuff
is painted,
and everything.
It's like they’re doing
the touch-up work,
youknow... getting
the finishing work
in.
you
know.
Aha,
aha,
aha.
Now,
you referred to this as
a super,
secret
launch facility
Yeah.
I
got
the feeling like
they were building
a
launch
facility here
for something,
and
it was very
secret,
and they
were being very careful
to cover it all
up.
And,
you
said,
if
I
recall,
that
the missile would be assembled
right
there.
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Yeah.
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Why did you
say
that?
What made you
say that?
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I was getting
the impression
that,
you
know,
okay,
this is
obviously
a launch thing. .. .from the
inside it appears to be
a launch thing,
but there
is also... the facility
is right
tlier
also to
lay
this thing out,
you know..... to construct it..
There seems to be
like an assembly facility
in between.
You
know
.
Like
in between the two pits,
and
I
don
t know how
to
explain
that.
It
just seems to me that's like an assembly
or that's what it appears
to
be.
It's got the overhead crane
things and everything.
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Yeah.
But,
you didn't see any missile components.
No.
I didn't sec any missile components or anything.
Yeah.
Okay.
Go ahead.
PAUSE
All right.
What
I'd like
to
do then,
is
(or you
to draw me
....from the perspective
of
the 10,000
feet,
if you
could,
if that would be
the most comfortable,
Oh!
Okay.
...the geographic area that you found yourself
in.
The overall
geographic area.
Okay,
okay.
Assuming this sheet
of paper
to be my perspective,
I had
what was apparently
like
a coast 1 me.
. .went
like this....
X don't
coast line going like
this,
and
a large city
here,
and,
apparently was
a road of some kind here
this was
a
plato,
and this was all swamp down m here
plato,
very
rugged cliffs
up
in here. .. .hills,
mostly ... .craggy,
rocky
hills with some overgrowth,
but not
a
lol
,
and then .... fields
off this direction.
And what?
Fields.
Fields?
Great fields
of things growing and this
I acility was
located
like
uh
right about here,
like
and,
right
about here was.... one
...temporary landing strip
How
far
is that airstrip approximately
( rom this othei facility?
Two kilometers,
maximum.
Two kilometers,
maximum?
Yeah.
And,
the only reason why
I
think
it's located away is
because
it requires so much flat land,
you know.
/\[ia
okay.
Since you can see
coast
lined on both sides
of
you
* there ,
you
know,
do you have
a fuel
of how wide
that area
was that you were looking at?
What?
From coast line
to coast line?
Coast
line
to coast line
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Yeah.
Maximum twenty-two,
twenty-three miles.
Aha
okay
Darken this
in here.
Why don't you
give me
a drawing then,
if
you would,
of this
temporary air strip here?
Okay.
Let me finish this one road here.
Aha.
This
is like
a temporary runway,
which
is
a PSP affect
with
a soft cover
like sand
or
gra-.
. .nut sand,
u
•••••
clay,
packed clay
of some
kind,
and gravel,
maybe,
and then
tdeire
two sheds •
•
•
Two what?
Sheds
.
Sheds;
Yeah.
They're
like lean two-type covers,
and under
that
is
where
the crates
are.
Are they
the only structures
on that air strip #19.5?
Yeah,
really,
except for one
little tiny building down here
where
the,
where
the aircraft is.
And,
there's this aircra
sitting down here
in
the
end.
And,
that's where
the C130 type plane
is?
Yeah.
A very
large cargo
plane,
C130
I ype with a high
tail..
(Turned tape
over)
Where,
where are
the security guards?
Up under the wings
of this aircraft.
Were there any
other guards down
there,
at all?
No.
Not that
I
saw.
Okay.
And,
this plane had no markings'
None whatsoever,
and you asked,
you asked who would^the crew
bc
and,
what nationality,
or something
like that
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