Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDWS #8253 #8.5: #6.5: «#8. 5s #6.53 #8253 #6.5: #8255 #6.53 #85: #6.53 Uh..»1 thought it might have been...military...school of some kind. Not necessarily, not necessarily government sponsored. But, it had the flavor, a nautical flavor and yet I saw no water. The main building there had the kind of dignity and spit and polish that you might expect to the military academy or school. Uh..»You mentioned something, and I don't know if it was just something that you had to dump or whether maybe it was something that we can reflect on that might be important. And, this was this.....sense of bread or shape of bread or do you think that was just something that...... Uh...I don't know. It was so strong, I just, I thought, gee, you know, here comes imagery that means nothing. And, it hung in so long, I dumped it. I have no idea. Nothing that ties in with that, but I just wanted to make SUTe. It looked like a big, round European type loaf that had about one-third of the end cut off. Not long loafs like we have, but big, fat...like a big batch of dough just dumped on something flat and baked. Okay. I'm sure you're just hungry. Probably, probably. What I would like te do now is put the tape in the pause mode, and: for us to look at some photographs that we have and see if we can't select these 4 people that I asked you to concentrate...and referring.to your drawing number 1, where you had a round face individual, a tall individual, someone who was blond, and an older gentleman that were doing exercises with Kevin. We've gone. through the. photos and, let's take them one at a time...now, out of all the photos we've showed you, you felt the blond individual resembled closely this individual right here. Yes. The hair is a little longer and the individual I saw was rather well-built, muscular. Not like a weight lifter, but he was well-built, broad shouldered. You feel very confident? This, this guy looks very much like him. Okay. The individual that is being discussed is . Gregory Persinger, P-e-r-s-i-n-g-e-r. Okay very goad. Thank you. Now the other one ...the tall one...tall, Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00Z8 0001-3
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDPS6: me #853 #6.5: #8.5: #6658 #8.5: H#6.53 #8253 #6253 #825: #6.53 #853 #653 #85: | skinny: one, you have picked out...someone whose been identified as Robert Engleman, E-n-g-l-e-m-a-n. Now, you want to tell me about..... I picked this guy because he was the only one that - appeared very thin and of the right age group. Uh... the individual I saw must have been 6-2 or 3, very thin. I don't know if this guy is tall. But, the face would fit in that group. Sure. How confident do:you. feel. that. this one as being Engleman as compared to the first’ one which was Persinger which you felt pretty gocd about. Oh, No comparison. I just picked this because of that type, but does not look like the individual. . Okay. Fine. I want to make sure. All right. So, what we're saying is Persinger you probably feel pretty confident as one of the individuals. Very confident. But, Engleman, all you're saying is that someone that appears to look like him, but not necessarily Engleman. That's right. All right. Now, the third one that we want to talk about is the individual that you described as having a round face. Now, you identified two people that might be that category. One is a Joseph Subic, S-u-b-i-c, and the other one is a Steven Kirtley, K-i-r-t-l-e-y. Do you want to tell me a little bit more? Well, after looking at the picture of a TV. screen that's below the one of, you know his name, Kirtley. Kirtley, uh...I feel that is not the round face that I saw. The front view above looks about the same, but I ‘would go for Subic. Built more like this and the same type of face. The hair up here is a little lighter than I saw it in the photo...and the hair was longer and darker. No glasses. No glasses. At a gynasium you wouldn't expect them. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA; 6-007 0001-3
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 ; CIA-RD BU OUNegiakt #6.53 #853 #6.53 #825: $6.5: AT. Bem 2070 10001-3 Sure. Okay. Now the older gentleman...older gentleman... the older individual...we could not find anyone that you felt resembled that individual. That individual's hair was brown, longer than any that I'd seen. Uh...he could have fit the older gentleman with the white side-walls except I thought the photo looked about 5 years too old. That was about it. Do you have anything else that you want to add? I can't think of anything except this blond individual here. . Feel very, very good. Okay. Your impressions...you feel very good. All right. -I thank you very much. 9 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA fa SS fROEIIES 0001-5 7
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