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#01$
Yeah.
#66:
I want you to tell me about that.
#01:
Okay.
He's holding this tube like thing with capped ends.
I'll draw
a picture of
it,
It will be page
1,
and got an
impression like
it was a container
or something,
because
it was actually
......like
a protective outer wrapping of
some sort,
that you would roll up valuable papers or something
and put into
Kept trying
to see what was
in
it,
and
I
kept getting this. .. .this crinkled feeling.
You know.
Like
when you look at a piece of aluminum foil.
These look like
grooves.
This design type
....... (mumbling)
I also had the feeling at first that like
it was made
of
cardboard,
but then when you had me put my hands on
it,
and
pick
it up
it was heavy.
Which
I wasn't prepared for that.
I was prepared to feel this light cardboard tube,
and it
wasn
' t
But,
I still got a feeling like
it was some kind of fiber.
These are the caps on the end,
and that's the tube,
and it was
about
2 inches
in diameter and about
12 inches long.
#66:
Okay.
At one time you said
18 and then you said
#01:
Yeah.
But,
it wasn't that,
it wasn't that
long.
It was
a lot shorter.
The second item,
I kept.... just started
popping
in my mind.
Iididn't see
it.
This is just the
thing that started popping
in
my mind.
We were talking
...was this. ..like black plastic square.
It had like a
metal radius.
I don't know how to explain that,
but
I can
draw
it.
I don't know what to call
it.
Now,
these blackened ends here were like metal,
so
I got
a
feeling like the... this spiral lines going out were metal and
the rest
of it was composed of plastic or something.
Don't
think
I got the foggiest of what
it
is,
but this kept popping
in my mind.
#66:
Okay.
You saying that you didn't see this as an object of
the target,
but that it was an image that kept coming to you.
#01:
It was an image as we were talking about,
you know,
what's
he doing.
. .uh.. .what does the tube mean,
and all sort of thing.
This
is an image that kept coming to me,
so,
you
know,
I
felt
I
should mention it.
I don't know,
I
don't know what this
is,
but,
I feel like it's got sdmething to
do with the reason he
was talking and everything else.
Same time
I was getting an
impression like there's
a third part, portion,
or piece or
something that isn't there. .. .that' s missing. ... ..Oh,
and this
is about
1 and
a half... .one and a half inches
and
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#01:
Probably one and
a half by one and half inches,
by
one 16th
of an
inch
in thickness.
I
saw metal strips with
plastic
or something...... and
I got
a feeling like the car
was parked next to the water,
and there was like these
large silver buildings behind
it.
It looked like blocks
standing
on their ends.
That's about
it really.
#66:
Okay.
Anything
else
you want to say about your explorations
with the tube?
#01:
Thought there might be come kind
of
foil paper
or something
wrapped
inside
that too might have been
a protective
covering for
a photo or
a paper
or something.
I don't know
I didn't sense
like there was anything....
You
know.
There was no electronics
in
the
tube,
and there was no
object,
you know,
specific object.
It was something
just
coiled
in
the tube,
I don't know.
#66:
All right.
You said that they were speaking
in
a foreign
tongue
of some
kind.
#01:
Mm-hmm.
It's
like,
something like
a cross between French and
German,
you
know,
like Belgian,
or,
I don't know,
what
I
remember Belgian to sound
like,
that's what
it sounded
like.
You
know,
maybe
I'll say French,
or
something.
Belgian.
#66:
A foreign
tongue,
but
you couldn't
-
#01:
Yeah,
but
I expec-,
again
I expected him to be speaking
Russian
or something,
and he wasn't,
he was speaking more
Belgian
or something.
#66:
You would've recognized
it
if he was speaking Russian?
#01:
Yeah,
I
think
so.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
That's
it.
#66:
Anything else you want
to add?
#01:
There was
one other impression
I
had,
and that was sort
of
like
a,
an impression
of looking at
a,
the
top edge of
a
metal rail with spider
legs,
and
I
don't,
I
don't know
if
you have
a drawing
of that
or not.
It's
just something that,
you
know,
was there and then
it went away,
the
impression.
And
I clearly don't know what
it
is,
or how it's associated
to anything at the target.
Was
just
a clear impression all
of
a sudden
of
the
thing with :spider
legs,
like.
Rail with spider
legs,
I don't know.
I
don't have anything else
to add.
#66:
Okay,
fine.
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