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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
3 July 1980
SUBJECT:
Summary of Grill Flame Meeting,
1 July 1980
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Eoll™ing
primary topics discussed at Grill Flame working group
meeting chaired
by DIA/DT
on
1 July
1980.
Members present consisted
of:
SGI J
SGI
I
MURRAY
B.
WATT,
INSC0M
SGI J
SGI J
2.
(S/N0F0RN)
PURPOSE:
Meeting had been arranged by
work out
details
of "joint proqram"
concerning Project Grill FlameT^^^^H stated that
he felt that the fallowing conditions had already been agreed to by service represent-
atives
(MG Thompson,
Army,
and BG Marks,
AF)
(See incl
1 and
2)
and Dr.
Vorona,
DIA
prior to this meeting:
a.
That there would be a joint program for Grill Flame.
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, b
:
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Parties concerned had agreed
to provide approximately $150K each
for joint effort.
c.
That contractual effort would be with SRI with an additional smaller
effort going
to unknown
(at this time)
outfit
to do work in area of PK
(this effort
would cost somewhere
in the neighborhood of $40K).
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d.
Total effort would be programmed for
3 years.
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3.
(S/N0F0RN)
I informed the members that
I
knew of no
su ch agreement and that
the INSC0M position was not in accords with what^^^^^l had just outlined
I
informed everyone that INSCOM's total budget for FY 81 was $150K but that operational
expenses had
to come from that total and that approximately $120-130K would be
available
for contractual work
as needed.
Further,
I remarked that we should not
limit ourselves
to dealing strictly with SRI
even though INSC0M was interested in
dealing with SRI
in two areas
audio analysis and receivinq training
in their
"new"
R V concept.
4.
(S/N0F0RN)
would be as follows:
stated that the proposed management of the joint effort
a.
Dr.
Vorona would be the chairperson.
b.
Each agency putting money into the program would serve as voting members on
the committee.
c.
DIA would provide individual
to serve as contract monitor at SRI,
Individua^ouid be physically located at SRI
(this individual is going to be
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etc.
d.
Committee would
meet quarterly
to review progress,
establish new tasking,
of
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S^ated that it appeared
to be unnecessary and not loqical
in face
of Gale Report
to set up permanent position at
SRI.
DIA seems to feeAhat vast
on
JSL
yaddiUcn2
C
eXp°nso!'lU
With
SR1,
Therefore >
thBV
filing to take
up
by an
concsrned
tteB^ be t0
7.
(S/N0F0RN)
I
asked for clarification concerning the question
of SRI usino
technique of remote viewing allegedly developed by Mr.
Inga Swann.
It is mv
Sod^ha?
9^
M
H
r - Smnn haa
<*"" SR! permissioijto train a“oS Sing
conflict^hut ?
,
a
rt,
dr
elOPe :.^^IP 2tated that ha was .aware of the possible
fhP pnmmiffo ^
that
e
^
ery thing would be worked out properly.
I requested that
the committee be provided
a firm answer
to this question as soon as possible.
8.
(U)
ob j ecti ves^/oTE
_Jinformed everyone that
a draft M0U and draft statement of
be provided
to all committee members tomorrow
(2 July 1980).
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requested that INSC0M tell him how much money they would be puttinq
into the joint program and provide recommendations
on how the money should be spent.
10.
(S/N0F0RN)
COMMENTS:
a.
Advantages for joint effort-
(1)
Gives united effort to program.
pta/aA
l
!iora
to gain for $$ spent.
For example,
INSC0M might be able to
use DIA/AF monies for further training of their personnel.
(3)
Cuts down
on the number of individual contracts that would have to
be generated.
(4)
Could increase security.
b.
I don’t understand the role of DIA/DT
in developing operational techniques
for rem°te viewing.
DoD has been told
by Dr.
Perry
to get out of the R&D arena
and anything that even resembles R&D type work is only asking for trouble.
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finally,
1 recommend against any joint program that identifies,
at the
outset,
SRI
as the primary contractor.
Again,
the Gale Committee Report recommended
against further business with SRI
and it seems
to be asking for trouble
to
"fly
in the face" of such
a recommendation without at least giving some consideration
to
other agencies involved in parapsychological work.
11.
(U)
Inclosure
3 lists the specific tasks that INSC0M would like
to see the
committee work on over the next
2 years.
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Incl
MURRAY 03.
WATT
1.
Cy ltr ACSI,
re:GF Mtg
9 Apr B0(S)
LTC,
MI
2.
Briefing on GF
(S)
Project Manager
3.
Specific Tasks to be Performs
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