Approved For Release 2088 sae 86 RO000800330001-8 TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING SESSION CC41 #66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for security). PAUSE: For the past few minutes now, you have been studying -a photograph of an individual. Relax and concentrate ‘now. Relax and concentrate. Focus your attention on this individual. Locate this individual. Relax and concentrate . Concentrate on the area. Focus your attention. Relax and concentrate. Relax and -- eoncentrate and describe the area to me. PAUSE #31 Feeling of (mumbling) he's..uh..fair, gray, kind of - (mumbling) room..uh..sitting in a chair slumped forward. It's a small room.. Looks like a bed, something long.-. rectangular across this narrow room. I wanted to say something funny in the corner of the room...uh..room is like..uh..gray poured concrete, cold. There isa ; .recessed square hole in the corner. Reminded of a uncurtained shower stall or a French crapper in the corner . The..uh..(mumbling) I think..uh..vertically.. barred windov..and.a..uh..wooden door that has..uh.. ~ -a few bars on it..vertical lines on this..on the left side..1 felt..the left side of the room...either the door or the hall-is vertical lines...I felt he was sitting at a..a small table on his left. Let me..uh.. “clear and see what else I get. PAUSE #66 Determine now whether or not he is alone. #51 Yes. Don't perceive anyone else with him in the cubicle, o PAUSE Approved For Release 20U0U wam48 i. ¥566R000800330001-8
ES eS | a a ee eee Approved For Release_200 eh #31 #66 #31 #66 #51 #66 #31 #66 #31 #66 #31 #66 540788R000800330001-8 Feeling...uh..-hall...looking at a..uh..through bars. Teli me a bit about the hall. There are bars all of them down the hall, and (mumbling) on both sides, I feel..uh.openness.. I don't feel the usual closed inness..uh..regular structure. Feel more open...movement of air...light...I feel that, right outside this place is a upstair case ..... but it's wood, I think When I looked at it it reminded me of a ship's hold, but the staircase is wide. I feel it's darker and damper than other places I've been. It seems cooler. His...his table is just a little wooden thing and I ...his door has some...uh...little window (mumbling) about..uh..two feet by one fdot. Has a little shelf on the bottom of it. He seems to be in that cell alone. Are there other personnel in the area? Yes. Tell me about them. I think I'll go to the cell on the right. I would say..uh..we have here two peaple sleeping. I feel the place is occupied. I feel..uh..people under the covers on two beds. I have the feeling..uh..two beds on the wall. Like..uh..metal bunks on the same wall as the other place..uh..metal (mumbling)..at first I thought, pull down, but no, they're rounded metal frame. Very plain inside. Figuration same as other place. 8 Not audible. It is dark. I can feel a light comes in, up high... on the outside wall...keep seeing a small window with a vertical bar but the..uh..lighting...1 don't feel any lighting inside. Maybe in the hall but not in the booths. Not audible. PAUSE That's it. Not audible 2 __ Approved For Release =e 7 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800330001-8
Approved For Release D000 ti #31 #66 #31 #66 #51 #66 #31 88RO00800330001-8 Ok. This is number one. It's as though I'm looking...you're looking down from the ceiling of a place...I was.. .I was just too hyped up for this one...1 don't know. How do you think you did? Well, I think this was OK. It... just that it took me a long time. ..-usually I take that time -ahead of time, you know, and this time I was limited to about 10 or 15 minutes. This is a table. Ok. Upper side of one is a bed. This is looking down into the room. Yes. Right. I had a gut feeling the guy was definitely in a cell, cell. First time I had anything out of this turn out to be a cell type cell. Bare, gray, concrete room, window up high on the back wall on the right...iron bars on it.. on the window...and a bed on one side of the window....the room-.. ...the opposite side. That ain't a bad perspective. I must have been looking down that room to see (mumbling) in order to do this good. Ok. And here...a chair or something...that's the top of the chair, ok...and, then, there's the top .of his head...you can see the back of his head... shoulder...but, he's like leaning over..-like he's tired oe ee eon oF the room oe type, i ton. in this corner of the room I described it as being like a French crapper or .-uh..uncovered shower stall. It's just ano / toilet or a recess. “Mow; I-dontt know if it's a shower built up or if it's a recessed pit that you step down into. Ok. Yes. Do you follow what I mean? Ok. And when I thought of a French commode -..French classic commode...like you'd French colonial, you know..enot French civilized. French colonial.. When I thought of that, I did not see, but when I thought of it to get the thing across, to get the thing across I will put the two footsteps on it, ok. That's the feeling I had. Like it was either an unclosed..un- inclosed shower stall or just a French crapper in the corner. OK. Anda door off-set here, ok. Door has a window on the upper half with some sort of a little metal shelf in it. Now this whole end of the...opposite
Approved For Releasé #31 88RO000800330001-8 the bottom and the right ends of this sketch is... I had the feeling of solid concrete, but, on the front face of this thing, the left side of sketch number one, I had the feeling that that faced the hall and that was barred. It was essentially open; there was freeness there. I could -=...it didn't seem like other places where I'd been, you know, wall was a wall...there was a door and a wall and that was it. This seemed for a change to be much more open. With vertical lines there....ok.... as though it was...-bars, you know, bars on ...-. Ok. There's a hallway out here and here on the right is the windaw. OK. This is man sitting on stool or chair, here. And, then when I .got him...when I acquired the imagery of this guy I was right...I was like sitting on the table top and I just floated right up to the ceiling. I never did get back down until I got outside the cell. But, I just went like..right to the top. And was looking at it all from above. And then I went cutside the cell. But, I never got down to get a good look at him. All right. I'll write down three cement...-three concrete walls...and, then the front is...(mumbling) did I have that. PAUSE He's sitting there. This room is much smaller. than that, dam it. I'll draw him to perspective. eoeeelike that....0k.....- and the back here is funny something area in the back corner.....like that....-that's it.....bed on one side....that's the whole dam schmeil(phonetic)....and this whole thing is how I saw.it. Ok. I didn't get the idea necessarily of any....- I just got the idea the guy couldn't sleep. It was more that type of a feeling. You know. Not like he was being tortured or was being forced to stay up so much as he was just staying up. Didn't get any feeling of going anywhere .--waiting for ...you know what I mean..... Sketch one is much more closely perspective ...size in my feelirigs than twa. Two makes it look longer and the bed looks smaller and everything.....that makes it look larger...-not very...-all right that's two. Three was as though I had moved to the left of two. ‘Cause here are...there is his door, OK...see that...and...only two or three bars on that side 4 Approved For pelSase DE fUr corp eesefeeneer2000800330001-8
Approved For Release 2009708407 #66 #31 #66 #31 #66 #31 EVO: P0788R000800330001-8 ...see that...door has window in it. Qk. So...Do we have somewhat of a..as though it were a conventional door but in a wall of bars? Yes. Yes. That's like a wall there, and here's the wall from a neighboring cell, right here in the foreground, and then, of course, would be more of these things coming along like this.....- Like that. Here is a wall here, and there's a wall back here. Like that. All right...and, there's the ceiling for that wall, right there, and here's the ceiling for this wall right there, like that. Ok. What am I trying to get across on this one? That the stairwell was right outside his doar, and it goes down.  I-had the feeling that there were bars all up and down this hall. Uh..there's some sort of a stairs or steps and I felt that they were wooden and that they were sort of outside of his cell. Um.. Are you saying that this stairway went down? Can I infer from that that this is on an upper level. No. It went up. I didn't see a down stairway. The stairway I saw was an up stairway. atte So I would go up the stairs (mumbling) In the past your descriptions, during the session, during the drawing have been frequently different from stair- ways here. I'm sure that you draw what you see but your verb descriptions have been different. You say "up" and then later you say "down". .sometimes you say "up" and later you dray."down." No. This is a stairwell going up. It's not that I'm up looking down a stairwell. I'm sure of this. Don't...I'm sure of this..and this is the under side of the stairwell...if you can dig it. See, you're looking at it from the back end, is what I'm trying to say. The way to get up is on the other side of this thing. You walk up towards.me. It's drawn backwards, but, that's the only way I can draw it. Maybe this will clarify it. There's nathing in under it. There's nothing in under it and it goes on up. You know, to the ceiling. They should be getting bigger as they come towards me. There like that. Tt's all screwed up. I'm trying to draw the underside of a staircase that comes back over my head...is what I'm trying to do.