Approved For Release ~oremker beets coreer001900870002-8 #O1: #66: #01: #663 #01: #663 #01: #663 #01: #663 #O1: #66: Approved For Release 2000/( I got a feeling of ah...ah... narrowness or a closeness. Okay. Feels like it just keeps getting more narrow. The closed in narrow, more confining feeling? Yes. Okay. I want to change your focus now a little bit. Okay. You said on this door that there was a conduit on the top of the door leading down the left side? Um, um. Where does it go on the top of the door? cece e eee c eee Goes to a gun metal gray box that's ah... just 7 inches wide, 4 high high, 3 inches deep. What do you mean it goes to it? 788R001900670002-8 10
2) Approved For Release ighodigg a Feasboc-o072eR001900870002-8 #O1: #66: #O1: #663 #O1: #663 #OL: #663 Approved For Release 200 It's mounted on the wall. Okay. Describe what you mean by the cable, the conduit goes to this box. Just to the box that's mounted on the wall. It goes to the box mounted on the wall. Okay. Go inside the conduit and describe what's inside the conduit. Ah......two sets of two pair of wires. Go down the wires towards the box mounted and describe. weeeeees LI get ah....see a roll of wire or it's all coiled up in a corner and there's ah..little green board with a only ah, what I see, at some (mumble). Okay. On the wires leading to the box, do a continuity check. 8R001900670002-8 11
Approved For rotoaanfphasheg Febdinlsc-oo7eer001200870002- #01; #66: #O1: #663 #O1: #66: #O1; Approved For Release 2000/( see aee It's ah...it continual current. There's always continual current here,..... just slips through. Do a continuity check on all the combinations of the wires leading. see cee ewes . Not always continual, there's interruptions. Okay. Let's change your perspective now. Get out of the box and face the door with the cardboard in it. Okay. Okay, now grab on to the piece of cardboard and follow it til, ‘til it originated there. Tell me how, when and who put it there. steer renee The guy that sits at the desk for the day. Ah...it's been done many times, something to do with false light or something. (mumble) I get a picture of a metal box with a light blinking, they're putting the cardboard there stops the light from blinking. ws 6-00788R001900670002-8
Approved For Release alae fateeds 0072eR001900670002- #663 #01: #66: #O1: #663 #01; #6635 #01: #663 Approved For Release Okay. I don't understand what you mean by the guy at the desk. Same guy earlier that typed the paper, sitting at a "L" shaped in a room, outside the room of interest. All right, I understand. If I have understood you correctly, the guy who sits at the "L" shaped desk, typed on the forms, he puts this piece of cardboard in there to stop a flashing light? Um, um. And it's the usual thing, that's the way he gets rid of the Light? Yes, that's correct. Okay. He and others, he's not the only one, there's other people. Okay, let's go back to the door and the door with the conduit and the little box above the door. ¥0788R001900670002-8
Approved For Release zoe GSE fesAlanresn00 200670002. #01: #663 #O1; #663 Approved For Release 2000¢08/@8-- Cin! Facing the box direct on, ask yourself, ask of yourself of your greater knowledge, is there anything amiss about the box? cee ee ce eeeececeeee AH..Sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it does. I only see ah..... some kind of a ah...I don't know, it has to do with black thing, a black attachment, goes on the other side of the door on the wall. I can't tell if it's there all the time or if it is there when it's not working or if it's there when it's working. If I understand then, when you ask yourself the question, is there anything amiss about the box, you don't see anything particularly wrong with the box, but you find that it doesn't work from time to time and that maybe associated with something on the other side of the door. That's correct. I see a square of black. Okay. I have no further questions about the area, but I would like you to take a few minutes now to explore beyond the confines of my questions and to B 1107 88R001900670002-8
Approved For Release 2000106) GeeFaale fad fads00 1900870002- review in your mind, your perceptions where I will now ask you to draw a simple floor diagram where these doors are. I will wait while you do this. #O1: oeceoees Lecce eee ee eeeeeseeeeee Okay. #66: Okay, if you'll wait just a minute, I want to get some directions from the control room here. Just speak up and say again. Okay. First of all, do you have anything else to report on your own exploration? #O1: No, I'm just having a little difficulty holding this picture very much longer. #66; Okay. #O1: Where everything is. #66: Okay. I want to try to do after a little bit more information-- #01: There's ah....there is one thing. #66: Okay. are eo ere Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900670002-8 15
Approved For Release scoot ST Et socon:ooosvo00ne #01: #663 #O1: #663 #01; #663 #Ol: #66: #O1: Approved For Release 2000/Q I can't identify it with anything, but I get a feeling of walking across like bridge wire or arch like and getting to the building, like a tight rope walk or walking along something narrow. Okay. You know, just a flash picture of that. Okay. Now, this man who, in the brown coverall suit, came through the door that had the cardboard? Ummm, I didn't say that. Well, see if you can't straighten me out. He came from the opposite side of the area, he came from way the other side. Okay. I understood you to say that this door that was open that had the cardboard stuck in it, was the door that the man with the brown coveralls came through? No, I not sure. oe, eae: atte Len cm eminem AA-RDP96-00788R001900670002-8 16
#66: #01: #663 #O1: #663 Approved For Release 2000%8@s@@um Approved For Release 20@ leg he J0788R001900670002-8 Okay. First place, first place, I have this male that's crawling through something. That's correct. Or in something. Okay. 2 think that we better end here because you are obviously are losing the perceptions you've had of the target and before we lose the floor plan and have you mix it all up, I want to end here, so you can sketch it for me. 88R001900670002-8
Approved For Release 2000/0 Gy karate rhere001 00670002. #01: #663 #Ol1: #66: #O1L: #66: #O1: #663 #O1: DRAWING EXPLANATION Hu-1085/8406/01 Okay. On the drawing I drew the location of the elevators where the first man came up a set of, then went to the left, went up a set steps, went through an entry door. And if you followed the dotted line, it's the path he took, 'til he talked to the second man denoted by a "2", That's the same guy that was typing the paper. He and the second guy came out in this dimly lit area, this other room and went around and stopped discussed two doorways and the second doorway is the one I talked about. And the second guy went back in his room and the other guy left by the same way he came in. Now the path of the second guy is denoted by dots. And I put a star on the drawing where I believe the crawl area to be, because that's where I saw the guy, like he was either crawling into or crawling out of something. And this third guy in the coveralls then went into, and what I should do is ah-- Okay, now, you said before that the crawl area that you indicated may or may not be in the drawing itself. Yeah, I wanted to finish what I was saying first. After the crawl area then he went to the room in the pictures. Okay. Okay? Now that's as far as I had him going any where. But then I had him outside the door of interest. Now, I have a 50, 50 feel that that's where I put the little star, is actually where the crawl way area is. Um, um. If it's not there, then it's not on this picture, it's somewhere else. Okay. But I also, I have him in a crawl way and then in the room in the pictures, but then I have him outside the door, but I can't honestly put him from one place to the other through the areas. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP £88R001900670002-8
Approved For Release 200U #663 #OL: #66: #01: #66: #OL: #663 #01: #663 #O1: #66: 88R001900670002-8 Let me-- It's like he went to two places, but not through the areas of interest. Okay, let me ah, let me see if I understand. You have three separate and distinct images about where this guy is. One image relates to crawling through something, a separate image in going through the door which we spent so much time discussing and the third is in the room in the photographs I've shown you. Are those to be separate? That's correct. That's correct. Okay. And how and why and the in betweens of those are-- ~-Beats the hell out of me. So. Okay, what more can you tell me about this door down here that you asterisks? Just that sometimes this box works and sometimes it don't and I think it has to do with modification or something to reduce a blinking light or something like that, I don't know. Okay. That's it. Okay, fine. Approved For Release 2 epee 818008700028