Approved For Relea P96-00788R000800380001-3 know if 1 was in that room, but I..1 felt like I was in that corner room. If that's true, then the end of the building could be exposed brick on the exterior, or it could be a divider wall between two buildings - built together. But, I sav....1 saw....- {'ll indicate hostages with Xs in the circles. Since there was a. hostage here, and this is the,guy with the dark skin ” and felt like here was a, AHERN. Here was guy wi /$ black hair and here was ay with blond or gray hair | Now, I think that's the only ones I saw. That's all I have a clear recollection of, anyway. And..uh.. I'm not going to economize. I'm going to page five. This one here. This is the one that was there and wasn't there? — Yeah. The guy with the blond or gray hair was..uh.. “images ...call images coming and going. And the guy that was in here with AHERN. .the..we'll call him a G, the guard, he came out went down to this room, where I drew the line and the arrow, to carry on a discussion with this guy and I felt like it was... they were going to have a game of some sort, ‘cause there was a very amiable meeting. And..uh..page five...1 got the impression of..uh.. two decorative columns...decorative columns of some sort by the front and there was a statue like off to the side...and the statue was really strange because I got the impression it was a circle stone that..uh.. defined the area in which the statue set...like this .-and that the statue was either incompleted, in other words a jumble of blocks, that, (mumbling) but these were all rocks or something. That's page six. And, of course, the building was gray and there was a big splash defined area in dark emerald green paint that had..uh..white and red lettering of some sort..hand whipped on it....very sloppy type thing. I don't think it was ever meant to be on this wall. #43.5 Where was this van or vehicle that you saw? #27.5 . - The van was parked between the statue thing and the pillars and...I can do a general outline sketch the way this van looks. #43.5 Do it scale. #27.5 - Do it scale. Large front grill type affair. Kind of qa boxed front end. This type of...very, very large van. {1 don't know why, I got the impression there was a French van, but there must be something unique about this van from all my travels in Europe, or something, 2 enemies Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800380001-3
“ aon . ek Approved For Rele 96-00788R000800380001-3 it impressed me of being French. Essentially, that's the shape of the van. It was a cream color. #43.5 When you were oulside you described the building, itself oo with a roof and everything else. You made relationship - to a highway, too. OK. The building looks like this from the side. There's like..uh.. (mumbling) I was getting the impression of 1. two rows of windows with a very, a very high pitched roof, tile and around on the other side was a four lane highway. I got the impression of very large trees like up against the building, you know, growing right in...right in this section, back here. The van was this way and the statue .-like the entrance wasn't facing the highway...it was #43.5— “All right. Good. Anything else? #27.5 Nope. . #43.5 - What I want to do then is put this on pause, take a look at some of the photos and see if we can come up with any kind of identification and then we'll come back on. OK. Now we've been, we've been looking at some of the photos...photographs that I have and you studied them for a while to see if we can identify them. The first individual that you mentioned was aguy that had black hair, about 200 pounds, long side burns and could you (ev narrow down, or pick him out from all the photos that é oh we have? #27.5 } Well, uh..narroved it down to a possibility“of two, two if people and..uh..one of them is..uh TOMSETH ves ) othe i is..uh HOLLAND, Leland Holland. #435 Ok. Second individual was individual. .thick ) person, pray or blond hair which was long with receding hairline and thick glasses, ok. #27.5 Ok. Let me clarify one thing there. When I say long hair..speaking in terms of my military background, If Jydon't mean long like..uh..over the collar or anything, [out long as it's combed over, and you clearly do not 73 have a picture of that person. Of all the photos you ; {ree me, you do not have a picture of that person. ...... Approved For Release.2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800380001-3
$43.5 #27.5 #4325 #27.5 #43.5 27.5 - #43.5 Whe reason why is..uh..well one is Philip WARD and df distinct Similarity in another man by a man of 7 Approved For Ralaascpep RPGR Ria BDEHS-00788R000800380001-3 Ok. The third one is a guy that was fairly tall, about 6 1, eyes protruding, dark skin. | came out with two probabilities on this thing, and e is very obvious..similar eyes..uh..there's a GERMAN, Bruce, but I had difficulty in evaluating the phate because of the eyes covered with dark i glasses, but I get strong feeling for that also, so -uh..~. would have trouble deciding between these ¢ two. That's about all the questions I have for this session #27.5. Do you have anything else you want to add? or gray hair. He..uh..it's..without full clarit that I say you do not have a picture of thisman I know you don't. If there's anybody I could Only on the secand person, the guy with the my / y identify, he's it. How did you feel about the session then? Felt real good about this session. Ok. At this time in the morning I think it's time to call it quits. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000800380001-3
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