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This will
be
a CENTER
LANE
Interview
for
0900
hours
September
1983.
Relax
now,
relax,
relax,
relax.
Focus
your
attention,
your
awareness
in
present
time
on
the
building
in
the photograph
I've
shown
you.
Focus now ad describe your perceptions
to me.
The
a
. .the
very
first
impression
is
a.... is
a..
I
assume
is
a
.
. gut s
area,
this
is
a
work
building,
a
work building.
This
is
not
a
.
.
. .as
opposed
to
a
. .a
lab
or
a research
or
. .this
is
a work
building.
Let
me explore that
a little bit more.
I will wait
.
the,
there's,
there's
an
emphasis
again
on
a
..the
a
. .work
aspect
of
the
building, .. .the
impression
is... is
that
a
. .the
. .even
the
interior
is
not
finished,
it
is
but
it's
contradictory,
it's
trying
to
give
me
the
impression
that
it's
definitely
a
work
building.
There' s ... .there
are
a.. there
are .. .a
. .steel
tubing
racks,
Yellow pipe
a
they're
also
mobile,
they're
on
wheels
They're
a
. .used
to
store....and
carry
some
sort
of
a
.
. .some
sort
of
tubing
or
rods
of
about
a
quarter
inch
in
diameter,
with
a
..a
plastic
coatings
of
rubber
and
plastic
coatings
Some
I
see .. .hollow .. .and
in
other
sections
I
see
. .a
.
. .the
steel
rods,
the
size
of
the
tubing,
except
it's
pure
metal,
brownish
coated,
rust
looking
.
Okay
.
There's
question
of
a
of
fibers,
fiberglass
fibers
and
a... (mumble)
to
a
electronics
and
communication
And
the
coming
together
of
all
this
stuff
and
determining
what
to
use
and
how
much
of
it
to
use
. .a
to
accomplish
a
. .a
communication
(mumble),
in
an
electronic
communication
(mumble)
Okay,
I'd
like you
to draw
this
for
me
later.
I'm
interested
now
in
the
general
area
of
the
first
or
lower
floor
of
this
building
in
the photograph,
the
general area layout
of
the first
or
lower
floor
.
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I don't
have
a
feel
for
that,
I have
a..
I
have
a
let
me
tell
you
what
I
have
and
then
maybe we'll
see what
happens.
I have
an
open,
open
a
.
.
. .open
a
.
. .wide
and
high
area,... a
miniature
hanger,
if
you
wish,
a
I. ...I
a
. .have
a,
...I have people with
a
with
a
.
. .some
sort
of
hard
hat,
and
they're
kind
of
ridiculous,
because
there
is
no
danger
of
anyone
getting
a
...getting
a...hurt
or
the
danger
is
very
remote,
it's...more
of
a
trademark
or
professional
...identification
thing
I
also
see
a
I
have
to
come
back
to
this,
because
it's
being
reemphasized
and ... .with
a
.
.
. .a
ah....
technician
in
charge
of
the
people,
I
think
this
...may
be
one,
more
than
one
team.
Again,
the
(mumble)
supposed
to
determine
what
to
. .mix
together,
in
one
cable,
according
to
a
specified
objective and how much
this
stuff
is
going
to carry.
#66:
All
right.
Concentrate
and
focus
your
attention
now
on
the
second
floor
of
the
building
in
the
photograph,
on
the
second
floor
of
the
building
in
the photograph,
on
the
second
floor
of
the building
in
the photograph
and
describe
your
perceptions
to
me
.
#08:
Okay,
the
first
thing
I
get
is
that,
that
area
is
very
squashy,
squishy,
the,
the .. .sides
of
the
building
at
that
point
come
in
and
(mumble) ...The
walls
are
they're
slanted
in,
as
in
an
attic,...
Basic
construction.
Let
me
look
around
a
little
bit
I
see
this
as
a
.
.
admin
area
with
a
hallway
in
the
center ,. .a .. .a ... .great
deal
of
glass partitions, .. .old
a... varnished
....a
bottom
half
of
the
partition
I
see
about
four
or.. five
offices
on
each
side
of
this
corridor.
It's
not
all
that,
but
it's principally that.
#66:
Okay.
Now these
rooms
off
the corridor.
#08:
Yeah.
#66:
Let's
go
into
one
of
them
and
see
if
it
isn't
something you didn't expect
to find.
#08:
Well,
I bumped
into
a
a
couple
of
a
hell ,.. .other
people
in
a
. .white,
looking
.
. .through
a
.
. .microscopic
type
apparatus
and
they're
looking
into
f ibers
.
.
. .and
that's
just
one
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I
know
the
room
is,
has,
looking
into
the
aspects
of
the
covering
of
what
we've been discussing,
the actual
cover.
#66:
Okay.
Move
around
this
upper
floor
to
see
if
there' s
another
area
.
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That's what
I'm doing.
Another
area
than
this
group
of
offices,
look
around
this upper
floor
.
Humph
This
peaks
out
into
one
a.... it's
symbolic,
it
.
.
.one
.
. .one
small
admin
room,
.
.
. .on
top
of
all
of
this.
That's
all
I
can
get
.
Okay.
I
want
you
to
remember
the
things
you've
seen,
so
that
you
might
draw
them
for
.
I
have
no
further questions
now.
Okay.
I've
got nothing else.
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Okay
in
this
sketch
entitled
carriers,
all
right.
After
I got
into
the
building
that
seemed
that held
my attention and wouldn't
let
go was
that
of yellow
tubing carriers
on wheels
that whose
purpose
it
was
to
carry
two
types
of
specific
items
.
The
lower
portion
of
it were
long
steel
rods,
not
that
long,
maybe
8,
feet
in
length
on
the
carriers.
And
they
looked
very
brownish,
as
if
rusted,
but
they
weren't
of
course.
It
was
just
their
appearance.
And
the top portion
of
the
carrier
was
ladened with
these
plastic,
rubberized
coated
coverings.
They
looked
like tubings
and what
they
really were,
were
coverings
for
some
type
of
wiring.
Later
on
this
was,
and
I now forget
at
what point
in
the
session,
the
idea
of
a
mixture
of
fiberglass
fibers
.
All
this
related
to
communications
with
a
purpose
of,
again
later
on
in
the
session,
a
determination
of
what,
with
size
and
how how
to
use
of
each
item
to
carry
a
communication
or
electronic
current
or
beeping
of
current
toward
something.
The
was
the
gist
of what
I saw.
So how do you feel about
this session now?
I
was
confused
in
the
building,
because
I
had
a
very
high,
high
ceiling.
It
was
almost
like
an
open
area.
And
you
talked
about
stories
and
I
hadn't paid attention
to
the
story,
I
kept
looking
down
and
I
couldn't
see
anything
underneath.
So
then
I
went
up
and
went
into
that
other
section
with
rooms much
as
I described them.
Okay.
What
kind
of,
how
you
feel
in
terms
of
comparing
this
session
with
other
sessions,
confidence level
and
so
forth?
It
was
trying
to
tell
me
something,
it
wasn't
a
literal session,
okay.
Urn,
urn.
I
am
very
confident
about
the
electronic
and
communication aspect
and
the attempt
to
resolve
the
substance,
the
amount
of
substance
to
be
used
in
this thing
.
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