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#10.5:
There are two running around the foyer.
Somebody
inside
a bay window
in the middle.
On
the right
side of the
foyer.
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I
say
a feeling of
a
.
.
.
person sitting.
.
. with
his
legs crossed on
a couch
on the other side
of the
room.
.
.
flipping through something.
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I'm in the hall.
I'm going that way.
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Somewhere down this hall,
I
lost continuity.
I
had
an
image of
.
.
.
on the right
side
.
.
.
I
see ...
I wanted to say like three people.
.
.
.
.
through the door sitting,
two
on one
side
and one on
the
left
side.
.
.
of
a table talking
agitatedly.
.
.
gesturing
at each other across the
table.
Discussing something.
A round
what is there on the wall?
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In this place,
something
.
.
.
like
a
.
.
.
gives
me the feeling of
a
.
.
conference table or book-
cases along
.
.
.
of the right hand wall which are
very high and against the outside wall
are
low shelves
or bookcases which come up to edges and under the
. window.
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I
see ...
I think its
about
.
.
only
.
.
second
room.
I
felt
like
I went
through.
.
.
When
I was
going,
I
remember feeling an office.
Then
I
got
to this thing.
It maybe only
a second or
so office.
I
feel
like
a libraby or conference
area.
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People
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Come
to area
.
.
.
room where there appeared to
be
some seats outside.
A big
counter inside.
Very,
very vivid.
Now
it
is not.
I think
(not
audible)
counter.
_
.
.
And this
room,
I
feel
like its
an administration place.
I
feel
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desk and chairs and filing cabinets.
But there
were no people
here.
#66
:
Okay
.
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What
floor are you on?
#10.5:
I
think
I
.
.
.
still
on ground floor.
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I
think I'm still on ground
floor.
Yeah.
#66:
All
right.
Find your way to the upper level and
describe the upper level
to me.
#10.5:
Let me just
go there.
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Hmmm.
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#66:
And what
is your perception?
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#10.5:
I
.
.
.
had
a
.
.
.
feeling that
.
.
.
there
is
a
. ...
a long locker room.
.
.
up here.
Something ....
Something
.
.
.
Its
a
.
.
.
a walk.
A overhang down
at
far.. end again,
that's the first
thing
I
felt.
.
.
was
that
I
was down
at
the far end looking back towards the
lobby or the starting place or whatever.
And that.
.
.
that
I
.
.
.
make
a right
turn
and maybe
go down stairs.
.
.
there.
But
.
.
it stops
there.
I
had a feeling of
a
.
.
earlier
there might have been stairs there but when
I
got
back up there
I
.
.
.
saw them again from the other
end.
I
don’t
know.
Back
door.
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#66:
Search this level
for people.
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#g 6:
And what
did you find
in your search?
Jf #10.5:
Nothing -A/
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#66
:
Can't
find anything now.
All right.
At
this time
.
#10.5:
I
lost the
target.
-6 0
:
/
All
right.
You’ve
lost
this target.
As you
refocus your attention on the area
in question,
as you refocus your
area.
.
.
your attention on
this
area,
move now
to the
area designated as
you
.
.
for you
as Area Number
2.
Move now to
the area designated
as Area Number
2.
Bring
ft
your focus
to bear on that area and describe
it?
to me
.«
,i ,-v
j_r/ -
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#66:
And what
is your perception of the target area?
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#10.5:
Don't know.
I'm looking.
#66
:
Okay.
You've been
at this quite
a long time
now.
I
don’t want you to tire yourself.
TURN OVER TAPE
#10.5:
(Not audible
- mumbling).
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/ Woman dressed
in white.
Babushka on her
head.
(Not
audible)
clothes.
(Not
audible).
L
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I
had
a feeling of
like
a dormitory.
.
room.
Just
a feeling of
a
.
.
.
beds side by side.
I
think that
they
are
GI
beds.
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#10
5:
Its
a. ...
I have
a feeling of steps
down
i on the side of the front.
.
.
like you could
get
into the basement
from the outside.
.
of
j
this place.
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I
don
' t know
.
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#66:
Move inside the building.
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#10.5:
I will.
•
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Feel
like there's more than me up there.
Office
like
in here.
I
feel ...
a white ceiling.
Big place.
Low ceiling with
.
.
.
I
see ...
light that seems from the ceiling.
.
.
more
.
.
.
regular.
.
Uncle Samish
(not
audible).
I
see some sort of
a file
cabinet.
Feel- like
...
I
see
a
.
.
hinges swinging.
.
.
gate
A maybe waist
high.
Like the kind that keep people
H out
of
an office work area.
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The more ...
a feeling of
a
.
Huh!
Just had the funny feeling of
a woman.
White
scarf.
An old crummy black
coat,
sitting down
on something.
With either
a skirt
on or a robe
with bare legs from her knees
down with her
feet
in
a big porcelain bowl.
She was
cold.
She was
huddling herself.
.
.with
like
a sheet with
a bucket
of hot water.
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#66:
Tell
me more about
the inside of
this building.
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#10.5:
White.
Wait
a minute.
(Not
audible).
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#10.5:
I'm not
sure,
but
.
.
.
feel
that
this
is
.
.
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a.
#86
:
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I'm not
getting more,
#66,
I’m
.
.
Okay.
Would you like
to draw now?
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#10.5:
God!
Hmmmm.
Jesus
.
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PAUSE
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Right
at the end
I was being.
.
.
I wanted to
say that the thing that
I
felt
that had the beds
in
it was
.
.
imagine myself back outside the
building looking down
at
it.
I had myself to
a window,
in the bottom wing.
I mean
in the wing
on the bottom and
I thought that that was where
I’d seen the couple beds.
But
I
just couldn't
get through the window.
I
got my head through
the window but
I
couldn't
get anything else
through
.
Okay,
I'm ready.
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God!
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Oh boy.
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Here they
are.
Okay.
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#10.5:
I'm trying
to draw here
is
a doughnut
on
a square.
I
felt
like there was one
on
the other side
as
well.
But
that
the thing wasn't
.
.
It was like
it was just ...
it was almost part
in part
of the
corner of the building sitting there.
.
.
on this
landing.
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Now there was another one around here.
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That's actually two dimensional.
Okay,
here we
go.
Now that was also right near the corner of
this
landing.
Okay.
Down here
in the front.
.
.
was that.
Okay.
And guard rails on each side.
Rails.
Real' stairs.
.
.
steps,
stairs,
right.
Not
stairs,
steps.
What
’ d
I
call that?
I called that
about twenty-five
feet wide;
twenty
feet wide or
something like that.
That's
cool.
But anyway,
here,
I think
if
I
can remember from the beginning
of the damn
thing,
I had the feeling of split
arches
like that.
With
.
.
.
you know,
something like that
Two.
.
Two arched doors anyway
is what the idea
is.
It was
all very white.
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Okay
.
PAUSE
That
' s
two.
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What'd
I
say
then,
floor?
Um.
.
.
.
This
is 25
feet.
This
is not
very damn
deep
at
all.
That's
feet.
That's
all.
Okay,
three.
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Inside
I had the feeling that
this place was
.
.
.
I'll
try
to draw
it
in micro.
But
there was some-
thing right smack
dab
in the middle of
the
room.
And
I
had the feeling that people sat
there.
Like
.
.
let me erase that bottom line.
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#10.5:
Like some sort
of
a counter.
I
had the feeling
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'Cause
I had
.
.
one
guy was
like reading
.
.
.
just lounging around.
One person was
lounging
around and the other one
.
.
.
and
it was
like
a
.
.
.
like
a counter.
If you're on this side of
room and here on this.
.
.
Now this side of
the
room had.
.
.
this
is the only one
I
could find
that had the ...
or
that
I
could feel
for sure
.
.
had the hallway.
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Okay.
This one
I
don't know about.
But
I wanted
to
say,
that this thing was square.
Okay.
Like
it was
a booth out
in the middle of the floor or
something.
.
.
protruding
at
least out
into the
middle of the
floor.
At
least three sides of
it.
Make any sense?
Okay.
The room was
carpeted.
And this hallway was
dark.
Okay.
All right.
Now.
(
I had
.
.
.
over here,
I
felt
.
.
And around
it,
I had the feeling that there were like sofas
andll
stuff.
A couple of them anyway.
II
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And that
on one of them on this wall,
there was
a
guy or
a figure anyway,
on the
left.
.
like
reading
a magazine.
Okay.
Or something.
Thumb-
ing through something.
Just sitting there.
These
two,
that
guy.
Give you
an
aerial of
the place.
That's too far apart.
.
.
because the doors are
too far apart.
I had the feeling the doors were
closer together.
That
line doesn't belong
in
there.
Okay.
Now.
That's ....
That's funny
because over here on
this side of the damn thing
I had the hallway,
I
had the thing go out and
I
had windows
and
I had somebody sitting
in here.
Okay.
Well,
how was he sitting?
He was sitting
.
.
.
had somebody
in this
thing.
.
.
which has
windows
in
it
somehow.
Okay.
Its like
a little
cubical.
And
I
think there's one on the other
side.
And here was where the man was sitting.
Okay.
And this thing comes out
in
the middle
of
the room like
this.
.
.
with some sort
of
a desk
behind
it
and there was
somebody there
and there
was somebody there and
I
thought that there was
someone there.
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#10.5:
Okay.
Now,
outside.
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Those were the stairs
there.
Column and column.
But the outside.
.
.
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Here's woods.
And this
is where
I saw another
guy.
That's when
I was looking out this way.
And
I
had first thought
about him when
I was still
outside and then later on you asked me about
him.
Okay.
I had first thought
about him outside,
the
guy
in the woods.
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Okay.
And this
is
a hallway.
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Where do
I
go from here?
Oh,
down the hallway
I
guess.
#66:
Tell me
a little bit,
now looking back
at what
you saw,
when these people.
.
.
what was the
role of these people?
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#10.5:
This guy was looking out.
Okay.
This guy wasn't
doing anything.
And these two guys were
just
bull-shitting.
Okay.
#66:
How were they dressed?
#10.5:
They were dressed in
odd.
.
.
they
.
.
just
a hodge-
podge
as anything.
Nothing.
No uniformity.
No.
.
recognizable differences.
They're
dark,
darker
colors.
I
got
the impression that they were dressed
heavily.
That
it was
darker
colors.
Browns
and
| blacks.
Maybe
gray.
I
didn't even
seen
any
gray.
I
don’t
think.
I
didn't
see anything that
appeared
light.
It
all appeared
dark.
.
.
clothing.
The guy
outside
in
the woods.
This
is Number
5 then
is
as
xhough we were sitting on the
.
.
out
front
again.
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#10.5:
Okay.
That was something
I wanted
to
tell you
about.
Okay.
I
had the feeling that
down here
was
.
.
.
but
not
a gate situation
so much
as
a
door situation.
The solid things.
Okay.
That
was what
I had the impression
of.
Now,
I
might
have been thinking that
I was looking that way
and
in reality what
I was
finding.
.
seeing was
the
front
doors
to this place.
But they appeared
white,
I
don’t
know,
I might have gotten twisted
around,
but
it was white gates.
White solid gates.
Anyway,
this
cat
is
like; up here and under the
trees
its
all
dark.
There's more down there.
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llThis
guy
is
like standing
in under the trees down
J
I
/[there.
Okay.
And
I have
a feeling that
he was
If
(’carrying
a weapon slung over his right
shoulder.
'[
#66:
Okay.
#10.5:
And when
I was looking there,
there may be one
more down here farther.
I
did not
see him so
II
much
as think that
this
guy wasn't
alone and that
/
there was something down
there.
But that's
it.
M
Okay,
this
is from the
.
.
.
from the steps here.
Okay.
Looking down
and there's woods over here.
#66:
How about weapons on the
(not
audible)
inside the
building?
You didn't
say anything about them at
the time.
#10.5:
Well,
I
don't think
I ...
I
didn't see
any.
I
didn't
feel necessarily that
.
.
.
well,
you know,
I
could have probably
.
.
anyplace
I
looked
I
could
have seen
one.
Because
if
it wasn't there
I
probably could have put one there anyway.
So,
I
didn't.
.
.
I
did not
get the feeling that there
were
any weapons there
.
There could have been
.
But
it was
just
so
casual,
I
didn't
see
any laying
.
.
.
I
can't
be
for sure that
I
saw any laying
like on
top of this thing or stacked
in the corner
or sitting next
to that
guy
as
you,
you know,
I
just was afraid to
look to close for fear that
I'd
actually put
one there.
#66:
Okay.
#6.5:
You said the guy was walking out
front
could be
seen
if you were standing on
the steps.
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#10.5:
That's what
I
said.
#6.5:
I
don't understand.
Could he be seen
from inside?
In other words,
people
inside there would watch
him?
#10.5:
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what
I
had the feeling that^/
this
guy was
doing,
sitting
in the window.
#6.5:
Uh huh.
#10.5:
He was looking out or watching.
He was either
casually looking down
this walkway to whatever 's
going on out there or he was
looking at this
guy
for the purpose of like covering him or something
or like paying attention to him.
#6.5:
I just wanted to doubled check this.
#10.5:
Yeah.
The guy
is ten
feet
in the darkness but
he
can still be seen from the front of the building.
If he was like another ten
feet,
you wouldn't be
able to see him,
but he's just back
in here on
the
left
side.
Just within visual range.
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#6.5:
So the guy
in the bay window,
' cause that's what
you described
it
as,
a bay window.
.
.
#10.5:
Yeah,
its
a
.
.
#6.5:
.
.
is observing him.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good.
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#10.5:
Or
at
least,
he's able
to observe him.
#6.5:
Yeah.
(Not
audible).
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#10.5:
All
right.
Six
is ...
.
Six
is
like looking
back towards
the
doors.
That was
funny,
because
every time I'd turn
around,
standing
in
front of
that
thing,
.
.
.
There
are windows,
but what
.
.
either one big one.
.
.
or divided
into two or
something.
But
I
had the feeling
it was
.
.
.
not
grated,
but
just pane windows,
but you know,
large,
public type windows.
And that here was.
.
and that
this
guy was sitting
.
.
.
this way
on
it
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#10.5:
With his head cocked so he could look out
the
window.
Okay and somehow that's set back
in
behind that and then there's another one back
in here.
And here's the other one.
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And those are the doors and then here
in the
foreground would be this table-top.
Not,
I,
iyou know, ...
I had the real feeling that
it
jfwas more
like
a service counter than
a big.
.
.
«l.than.
a big secretary's
desk.
That
it was more
like
a service
counter.
A receptionist counter
or something.
Okay.
Rather than just
a single
wooden desk or something like that.
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All
right.
Now where to
go.
Seven.
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Okay.
I
can't see where
its
.
.
on the
left side
of the
room.
Okay.
But looking into this room the
way
I
did.
.
.
I had the feeling that -there were
.
.
.
and there's the corner of
it.
Okay.
That.
.
.
here were
~ what did
I say
-
three
guys.
A guy there and
a guy there and a guy here.
Sitting
and talking,
interchanging across
this table.
And that
I had the feeling that there was like
bookshelves along that wall.
And that along this
wall,
was bookshelves.
Just something
-
like
a
conference room.
Okay.
No desks or anything like
that,
it
just appeared that there was this long
light colored table.
It reminded me of
the one
we have out here.
Okay,
sitting and talking and
then here windows.
I
guess
I can probably draw
that
there and that
there.
Okay.
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Okay.
Now what did
I
say
that.
.
.
I
said that
that was maybe the second room down the side hall-
way.
So,
we would end up with
.
.Oh,
#66,
I
forgot
where.
.
.
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