Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700110001-3 #27293 #723 SG1A #27658 #72: a #2725: #72: #27253 bega cll Other directions....eeDt4beeeceeeeeecanit tell if it's a bridge or road through park.....very edge of park got tall, old fashioned lamps....maybe further left than 9:45. Center of city isn't visible from windoy. It's like 4-o'clock, 3:45, 4 o'clock All right. Relax, relax, concentrate ) 0ti‘C‘*” SG1A MM aan of interest to US intelligence? I just got a tremendous concentration on him. ..[ just. got a tremendous stuff of information. See table, chair part of couch covered with maps and papers. See money weeeeSome kind of radio or piece of electronic. equipment. Getting of feeling of management. organization......- Think he's more important than just courier itype person. He's...-key. player in some managed scheme of things. Some ploy....-organizer. Get impression of funds from like two, three origins coming together as part. of organization. Not a paymaster, but a user of funds to organize something. See collective playing of three, possible four elements involving perhaps 20 people. PAUSE What does the plan relate to? I'm trying.to.....hard to get that......only thing I'm getting is......see string of like safe places for interim storage of something...people. It's like he's organizing the spread of operations on the basis of some kind....for secure storage of people or material. Ultimately, a....ultimately, to stage some multiple va incidents, scenaria....getting an awful lot of overlay. All right, relax, concentrate. In your room there's a piece of electrical equipment. Pick it up. Teil me about it. PAUSE Almost perfectly square, 3 inches thick...8 by 8. inches. Black .......-inset group of knobs off side, double switches right side. It's singularly manufactured piece. Like custom made...has coded, coded outputs...different frequency outputs. Might be some form of initiator type device...like bombs, automated detinators...sudden..over- whelming impression of bombs for some reason. Saw... “ shoebox.size sophisticated plastic type..bomb constructed with. electronic device attached. I don't know if this is.overlay. I was just overwhelmed with these bomb type devices, FOr SOME TEASONssceccsecerecercrvcccerecseesss 4 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700110001-3
Approved For Release 2000/08/07.,;, RD SG1A #27253 #72: 27.5% #27258 #723 #I2: #2753 #72: $27.53 96-00788R000700110001-3 Ver destructive. ad : | | SG1A Relax, concentrate, relax, concentrate on Today is 10 December 1981. I want you to go foryand in time to 17 December 1981 ~oeetell me where a will be. SG1A Just. a minute. PAUSE See a purple van....some kind of gold pattern on the side....kind of...-parked under the trees like ina park area.....see snow on the ground.now, for some reason....-like some snow and ice slush. Trying to find something here. See what looks like (not audible)....A lot of people. It's night time. as well. Seen with a small radio and this black device..... Two women, young women sitting in this van. All right. I want you now to wait, wait, wait..... (Tape turned over) All right. You were describing two women in a van, with a black box. Continue. PAUSE Seems like he's just vaiting......See...it's overlay...keep blowing things up in my head. I just see him waiting. I don't..... Relax, concentrate. ...i Return to 10 December 1981, 10 December 1981. You are back in the hotel room, brown hotel, third floor. In the hotel room were some maps and papers. Describe for me the maps. PAUSE Predominant color is red....red, blue, green, but the predominant color is red. Streets are indicated as all white. Very large, detailed city type map. Appears to be three or four, three or four special like tourist maps. Like blow up sections of out of scale type representa- tions of key areas....impression_of subway schedules, bus schedules...one way streets very important. Pattern of traffic flow of .canstant study....many references to patterns...traffic.. times” oF wait at different lights Past references to observe blockages, streets, observe v7
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 Classis e #275: #723 #27693 snares 8R000700110001-3 notes observed snarles in trafficeecccesse concentrations of peoples for some reasOnee.. I want you to look at the large scale tourist interest areas of the map. What are the principal area of interests in that tourist blow up? PAUSE Just got my impressig) of three circles in the runway again. Keep getting words key, key...Just like this is key of city. Getting periphial circles nov. I don't know if I'm mentally circling it....circling areas or if they are circles. Got an impression events he initiates will be concentrated . pretty . much regulated to © Fame ity block. area. Get a _- eight sided star pattern ina square....when I concentrate on the four square city blocks I get a radiating eight point star pattern for.some reason. See strategic place for trash cans.....external trash cans like drums....55 gallon.drums. This.is quite out of left field probably very. important. Trash cans! Green trash cans...green....turn out to have white tops or that's ice.or snow on top of the green. That's all I'm getting. I'm starting to lose sor steerer gt EE MeN AMMEIDC STE EASES ne ARR RARE RE EES BHP gon me tennant em enente TRANSCRIPT CORTINOES AT TAB A athe en Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700110001-3 6A
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~ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000700110001-3 #2753 #72: #2765: #723 #27253 COMMENTS ON DRAWINGS MEDS ~~ Okay. Page l. Now before you do page 1, let's talk aboutessec. Oh, let's save him for last. Okay. Page 1 is the three-circle combination. This is an impression of the three-circled runway. It's like three circles superimposed over a long, wide, broad runway type affect. Coming out from the one side of it in this inner circle is this one main road that intersects the circle with the three sprayed out roads that I talked about. That is an interconnecting triangle across which the hotel or apartment buildingis located. I drew a dotted line aroundthat area. I blow it up in a later page. The cross hatch pattern represents a general flow of actual streets that overlay these main roads. Which means it's probably a modernization of an older city... inmy mind, that's what.it appears to be. I also got a mix of old and new buildings. Approved For Release 2000/08/07, : CIA-RDP96-00788R0007001 10001-3
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : ClAeRb, #27653 472: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Clées : . — 6 -00788R000700110001-3 %, ie The older buildings appeared. to be in really good shape. They weren't slum areas or anything. Page 2 is a blowup of the triangular street area in which I've indicated what I considered to be a bar type building..-long, low silhouetted bar.type building across from the hotel, which I'11 label A. There's two sides to this hotel so I divide it with a dotted line. The X indicates the place near the window on the third floor. There's a building to the rear that's alsa depicted the back of thebuilding. You can't see through that. All you can see is. garbage and junk at the bottom. There appears to be at B brown stones that interconnect that go away from the building to one side. And C is another building on the other side which appears to be an additional apartment building, and D across the street is the more residential type brownstones. Incidentally, the roads, I've indicated the singular direction roads weeeeethe one-way roads with arrovs and the label. one-way. The front road, of course, is a two-way road..e.+ef OUr lanes. You label them as brown stones. Is that indicative of their color, description or is that just a generic term? No. dust a generic term. They're all different sizes. Generally, about the same gize..-three to four stories, full basements...very narrow, all interconnected. ..e« walk up type ramp entrances. A lot.of iron bars. I get an impression of a lot of iron bars. Sleezy neighborhood, What I consider sleezy. Incidentally, the long, low silhouetted bar type building across the street is all interconnected and the whole string of shops and things over there. Page 3 is an actual drawing of the face of the building is a plain structure. I mean very little identifying features. The left hand entrance or section A..ethere's a recessed double glass door with some kind of a fog glass pattern engraved in it. Possible two or three step walk up...no rails. Everything in this building is. in threes. I get sets of three windows on both sides..ee+. All apartments are identical ...where the stairs go they're switch back stairs. They go up half. flight and double back, half flight and double back. At the half flight level. there is a window facing the rear, but not the front. There's trees. in front of the building between the sidewalk and the road. As in shown. in the picture the building shown in the rear is possibly two stories taller. Much larger than a hotel. 88R000700110001-3
#72: #2765: #72: #27253 #723 #2758 1) 788R000700110001-3 Would you say the hotel is about 8 stories high, roughly? Roughly seven or eight. I can't tell if it's seven and a full basement or eight. : But in that neighborhood. Yes. And, it's also, when I say it's brown, it's like a light tan with a lot of dirt. You know, dirt streaks under the windows...it's a dingy look. Okay. How about the front of the hotel? Trees.eeee. sidewalk, Oh, yes. There's trees between the sidewalk and the street. Like a double wide sidewalk. It goes right from the wall of the hotel to the trees which is only two or three foot open space. Page 4. is a artistic rendition of what I perceive to be out the back window of the hotel room. Twelve o'clock means looking straight away. This is like a top view looking down the edge of the window looking straight the window would be 12 o'clock. At. 2-a'clock I depicted an example of the Mootish...e.eceee windows in the building approximately 4 city blocks away. At 3 o'clock parallel to the back wall of the building looking out the window is a school somewhat shaped like the drawing I've done. Distinctive L, double layered L pattern to it. That's at 3 o'clock and that's about 6 blocks distance. At about 9:45, eight blocks distance, there is a like rise or bridge with a road that's either in a park or on the edge of a park. And, it's got old fashioned light stanchions all the way over the bridge. You can't see any of this from the back window without looking through the building. Page 5 is a drawing of the actual van location. Incidentally, all the. rest of this row was packed with cars all the way down. Car....and this van which is a eesit is about 150 meters down.the end of the sidewalk from the first trash can. I just have a ground pattern. T don't know if this sidewalks or pathways or gravel. But, I got an impression that there was this grouping of trash cans, and there's like a J symbol there as well. I. don't know if that's the edge of the walkway or a curb but, the impression that I had was right out of left field. I. wasn't .expecting.it. I just got this information dumped about trash cans.....this clustering of trash. canse... and the detination of, of ice and everything...1 feel is very, very important. In the upper left hand corner I'll label B as an.example of the trash can. 0788R000700110001-3
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 g¥gvinRDP96-00788R000700110001-3 #72: #27654 #72: #2725: #72: #27654 #72: #2725: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 «filA Are these the actual number of trash cans or just a representation? That's a representation of how they're patterned. There just seemed to be an abnormally clustered or placed......and I just got this impending danger about trash cans. If you would see one of these trash CANGeseeee You'd throv your empty soda bottle in it. Wouldn't pay any attention to it. Not unique to any of the other trash cans which would DGceeeee No. There are trash eans like this all over the place. Okay. And, they were built to be trash cans, . Not, say a cut off oil drum which was rolled dawn and placed there and people throw trash in it. I'd be speculating on that. They look. like oil drums painted green to me. They might have been manufactured by the same people who make oil drums, just to be trash cans where they double the price and the city gets to pay through the nose. And page 6 is a drawing of the T shape intersecting concourses for the subway. That's the only thing I can think of to draw to show generally what the subway looks like. The upper end empties into a Mall area. of some kind. The downward legs of the next intersecting section of Ts are escalators, and I feel like the bottom portions of the legs of the T are straddling the track area. This is only one area. I happened to be in this one section of the subway. So, it may be different in all the other locations. And, there's a pattern like the dimples on a golf ball. I'm fuzzy now whether it was octagontal or hexagontal or square or what the hell it was, But,-it was an indentation, regular type pattern. It might have been..eeeeeit reminds me of what they call pan construction. It's a way of laying in steel reinforce concrete, but lightening the construction. It takes away X amount of square footage of concrete... It's relatively modern y ~ ‘technique which would indicate the subway's probably less than 15 years old. That's all I got. Oh, there is one thing I want to add. Let's. talk about this.guy. I got some distinct impressions about the individual against which I was targeted. My first and fx WP $6 -00788R000700110001-3
Approved For Release 2000/08/07 00788R000700110001-3 #2753 «eseprimary instinct about the guy is that he's extremely intelligent. You know, I look at this photo and I don't see any intelligence here at all but I was struck during the session with his ability and his intelléct...very, very high. I also get an impression that his background is very poverty type stricken type background and I don't mean.that in a porocial sense, but I mean like he came out of background where he had no alternative into an area where he sort of created his own life style. I get an impression that he's probably psychopathic and he has two distinct personalities. His working personality; his very controlled and moderate unassuming, and his hidden personality which he displays through hsi probable violent acts...very psychopathic...he is not a humane person.. He's ideologically oriented, but to his own ideology. There's NOss.ee-ejust. get an impression like there's no real governmental body of human beings on earth that he agrees with. It's just that he's for sale. That kind of individual. #723 Would he act on the spur of the moment? #27293 Absolutely not. That would run completely contrary to his grain, his intellect. .He's plotting, methodical, very capable of running a very complicated operation all from his head. Which makes him extremely dangerous. That's just an impressionI get. #72: How about if he had a plan going and something interrupted his stage, could he improvise on the spot and continue on with what he is doing? #27253 Most. assuredly, most assuredly. Be a good man to put away. That's all the impression I have. That, and I ain't going to stroll near any trash cans and brown vans for about 6 months. 72: Okay. We'll turn off the tape now and darken in the drawings and that will be it. Approved For Release 2000/08/08