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This
will
be
a
CENTER LANE
Interview
for
0900
hours
April
1983.
Concentrate
now,
relax,
relax,
relax.
Focus
your
attention
on
the. the
building, in
the
photograph
I've
shown
you,
during
construction
and describe your perceptions
to me.
Impression
of
a.. a
large
portion
of
the
work
is
finished.
See
interior
walls
are
going
up
Keep
being
drawn
to
the
elevator
area
•
Got..
I
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
the
pilings
anywhere,
....I
keep finding myself
inside
the elevator
shaft.
Explore.
I
am,
just
a
minute
See
exposed,
...exposed
corners
on
it's
in
the
corner,
it's
exposed
corner
of
beams ,... inside
the
elevator
shaf t ,.. inside
of
....some
kind
of
metal ... studs
that
are
like... sawed
off
or
cut
off.
They
re
not.. broken
away
and
plugged,
they're
just. .clipped.
Seems
to
be
abnormal.
. .construction.
It's
every
floor
though,
not
just
the third
floor
.
Scanning
this
construction
phase,
scanning
the
construction
phase
of
the
building,
focus
on
that
which
is
a threat
to
the security.
Just
keep
getting
drawn
into
the
elevator
shaft.. ah,
primary
concern
is
the
access
to
the
elevator
shaft...
Break
this
out.
...I
ask
myself
that
question,
I
find
myself
on
top
of
the elevator
in
the
elevator
shaft
looking
at
the
corner.
See
a... see
access
to
some
kind
of
paired
metal
studs.. into
power... Get
an
impression
of... fine
wire
attachment,
but
not
yet,
later.
Black
box
later,.. easy
access
later ... undisturbed
access
later .. .Metal
studs
are
important,
but
they're
not
a
anything special
right
now.
All
right.
Take
a moment
to
orient
yourself
now
so
that
you
may
draw
this
for
me
Now
take
a
moment
to
focus
on
the
items
attached
later
and
describe them
to
me.
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Tnqh
a
minute
Just
get
a
black
box
under
a
ledge,.. center
wall
right
of
elevator.
Wire
going
parallel
to
black
cable
to
large
black
box
on
wall.. and
wires
going
under
ledge
to
corner
studs
But
none
of
its
there
yet.
It
can
t,
f
some
reason
it
can’t
be
put
in
until
building
s
being
occuppied.
Get
a
feeling
of,
you
g
wait... Most
important
is
the access.
Break
this
out.
Can't
get
to
the
elevator
shaft,
it's
all
for
nil,
won't
matter.
The
access
can
be
at
the .. .basement
or
any
floor.
Did
you
say
the
access
is
important
in
that
you
can
not
get
to
the shaft?
...Access
is
important. .for
the
threat
later.
Won't
be any threat
'til
later.
All
right.
....See
some
kind
of
duct
work
going
into
the
elevator
shaft
too
So
there’s
more
than
single
access
route
Think
the
duct work
has
something
to
do with
the
a... metal
studs.
Break
this
out.
Get
a
direct physical
connection.
I
don't
know
how
to
explain
that
Just
get
a
thought
of
connection
and
it's physical.
All
right.
And
that
won't
be
done
either,
until
it
s
f inished .
.
. .That
' s
all
I'm getting.
All
right,
fine.
Remember
the
perceptions
you've
had
so .that you may draw
for
me.
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Okay,
the
drawings,
I
did
two.
Page
#1
is
like
a
view
from
inside
the
elevator
shaft
and
I
labeled
everything
there.
What
is
important
is
. access
to
the
elevator
shaft,
that's
critical
for
implementing
the
threat
after
the building
is finished.
Page
#2
is
a
projection
of
this
elevator
shaft,
looking
through
all
the
floors
and
how
this
arrangement
is wired
up and
can
be moved
up
and down
through
the
elevator
shaft.
It's
almost
like,
I
get
an
impression
they
don't
know
exactly
where m
the
building
they're
going
to
go
yet.
But
they're
making
arrangements
for
where
ever
that
happens
to
be,
so
I
think
if
anything
was
more
important
than
anything
else
it would
be
the
access
to
the
elevator
shaft
Okay.
After
the building
is completed.
Can you elaborate
at
all
on
that?
I'm
imagining
in
my
mind
what
you
might
mean
by
access
to
the
elevator
shaft,
whether
they
be
some
foreign workmen
climbing
up
on
top
of
the
elevator
or
something
like,
I'm
imagining
what
you
might
be
saying.
Can
you elaborate
at
all?
Ah,
what
I
see
happening,
okay,
is
the
building
going
through
completion
and
being
completed.
Then
I
see having
to
go
in
and
install
this
threat
box
to
these wires
or
whatnot,
up
under
these
ledges.
And
these
in
turn
connect
to
these
studs
coming, through
the
corner
of
the
elevator
shaft,
which
incidentally
wrap
all
the
way
around
the
elevator
shaft.
And
this
in
turn
is
then
powered
from
a
nearby
box
that's mounted
on
the
wall.
I
get
an
impression
.of
a
lot
of
very high
powered
cable
type
things
running
up
and
down
the
elevator
shaft.
And
everything
is
built
in
a way
that
it's
all
readily
accessible
and
the
only
way
to
gain
access
is
through
the
elevator
shaft.
And
it's
an
access
that
can
be
done
any
time,
really
by
anybody
who
can
gain
access
to
the
building,
from
any
floor
and
it's
an
undisturbed
access,
because
you
would
not normally have
anything
other
than
maybe
an
alarm
type
type
device
or
something
in
the
elevator
shaft.
That's
my
impression
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I
guess
what
I'm,
in
general
terms
what
you
saying
is
simply,
"Pay
attention
to
access
to
the
shaft
.
Yes.
All
that's
required
to
implement
this
threat
exists
in
the
elevator
shaft.
It's
inherent
in
the
structure
of
the
building.
It's
built
into
the
building.
They
cannot
gain
access
to
the
elevator
shaft
undisturbed
for
a,
you
know,
a
logical
period
of
time,
a
reasonable
period
of
time.
Then
they
cannot
implement
the
threat,
is what
I'm saying.
Okay.
And
that's about
it.
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