Deletion of United Express Flight 3411

Comment: to United Airlines#Controversy. , although a small section in United Airlines is good
Stance: merge
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: for now according to . Event is covered by diverse sources, the article is already created, and "it is recommended to delay the nomination for deletion for a few days". This is a Wikipedia rule. Kdn1982   —&nbsp;Preceding Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned comment added by
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:RAPID)

Comment: Per nomination, its , and the effects aren't  as of yet. Yes its awful what happened, however overbooking and kicking people off a flight isn't new in the airline industry. Least this could do is to be merged in with United Airlines#Controversies
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS||WP:LASTING)

Comment: for now as meeting . In a month's time, when the dust has settled, then the position can be reviewed and a decision made whether this was simply a transient news event per  or whether there is encyclopaedic value. Deleting now, only for it to be possibly recreated if it turns out there is long-term value, is sub-optimum
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG||WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: I keep an eye on a lot of current events articles, some definitely are notable enough for inclusion here, this definitely is not. This is a clear case of  as there is no chance for sustainable notability. &mdash
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: under . Sufficiently covered under United Airlines. Also article is misnamed (although that's not grounds for deletion
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: significant international coverage (e.g. two Israeli sources: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4948160,00.htmlhttp://www.haaretz.co.il/news/world/america/.premium-1.4011711). But more to the point: has anyone actually read ? Nothing there actually supports deletion: there's no original reporting, no "who's who", no diary, and the article is not in news-report style
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: as this is a topic of concern globally and is an international issue. Corresponding language articles in Cantonese Wikipedia, Chinese Wikipedia, and Korean Wikipedia. Discussed by the White House Press Secretary. Sourced and notable information in the article itself includes: Investigated by the United States Department of Transportation. Governor of New Jersey asked United States Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao to suspend allowing airlines to overbook passengers. United States Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation joined together in a bipartisan letter to the CEO. Twenty one members of the United States Senate also wrote to the CEO. Congressional Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton called for hearings in the United States House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. Senators Robert Menendez and Chris Van Hollen called for an investigation. Chicago City Council’s Aviation Committee will hold hearings starting April 13 to investigate the incident. Impacted popular culture debate and parodied by comedians Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O'Brien and Ellen DeGeneres. Emirates (airline)|Emirates launched an advertising campaign that parodies United Airline's slogan and Muñoz's previous statements about ME3 carriers|airlines in the Middle East. Royal Jordanian has also tweeted that “dragging is strictly prohibited.” This is more than the event itself. This has risen to a global, pervasive, international response which triggered multiple invesigations at the local, state, and federal levels of government. This topic is notable, it satisfies  in multiple languages from multiple different countries, and it deserves to remain its own independent article. It should ''not'' be deleted. It should ''not'' be merged. It should remain its own separate article. It should continue to be expanded and improved
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NOTE)

Comment: You can't say now that it fails . Others have mentioned not to rush to delete articles, and they're right.  works both ways - see #CRYSTAL. Give it a couple months and see what happens
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS||WP:CRYSTALBALL||WP:ATA)

Comment: Seems to me to meet  as "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded". Lots of coverage depth, continuing over days, story has legs in many places. &ndash;&nbsp
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NEVENT)

Comment: as set out in . The story certainly has a good chance of meeting Wikipedia:Notability_(events) so we should keep for now at least
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:RAPID)

Comment: huge response here shows level of interest, topic passes the GNG, delete !votes are to be discounted as . Any admin who decides to delete this will find it (and themselves) on DRV
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:IDONTLIKEIT)

Comment: per 
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Snowball clause (WP:SNOWBALL)

Comment: for now; it's too soon to decide whether it falls under  or not. My hunch is that it will have lasting societal impact; e.g. the scandal was brought up at the White House press briefing; see video imbed in this article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39572841 "United Airlines CEO sorry for 'horrific' passenger removal", BBC News
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: per 
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: or redirect/merge to United Airlines. Yes, it is IN THE NEWS, with lots of coverage, since "If it bleeds, it leads." But no, Wikipedia is not "News of The Week.." Fails .  Tens of thousands of airline passengers a year do not get to fly due to airlines' overbooking. Others have had to get off the plane, and did so without drama, as did three passengers before the one man refused to comply with orders of the police to get off. There have been lots of other videos of people being dragged screaming off planes. It might deserve inclusion at the United Airlines article, since they apparently botched the process, when they could have seated the 4 employees before boarding the passengers, could have offered more money to get people to surrender their seats, or the police could have used more persuasion or simple strength to remove an elderly man rather than somehow smashing his face into something and dragging him down the aisle, then somehow letting him run back onto the plane several minutes later and removing him a second time. Then there is the tone-deaf post by an airline executive about having to "re-accomodate" passengers. Whatever slight coverage the incident merits would amount to a couple of sentences at United Airlines. It looks silly to have this article with its infobox listing "1 injured, 70 survivors" as if it were a plane crash
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: There is no need to "re-accommodate" this article because it is our |policy that "there is no practical limit to the number of topics Wikipedia can cover".  The policy continues, "As Wikipedia is not a paper source, editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events".  The topic is already highly |notable, having many |significant and independent sources.  Such notability does not expire and so is only going to grow
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTPAPER||WP:N||WP:SIGCOV)

Comment: ndash; This incident has been commented upon by multiple parts of the US government, including the White House and Congress. The incident also has an impact on international relations between the US and multiple Asian countries. The "popular culture"-section, while basically inappropriate, shows that the event is being discussed in creative works. I definitely believe the story has gone past the point where  is relevant
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: per above or merge somewhere, doesn't pass  for a standalone article too
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:EVENT)

Comment: Clearly fails . A passenger was forced off a domestic flight in the United States. As the nominator indicated, the long term significance of this incident is unclear. Further, airlines have the legal right to remove passengers from their flights. So United's actions are not illegal. A d*ck move for sure, but not illegal. Just a few days ago, a https://www.google.com/#q=woman+birth+turkish+airlines French woman gave birth on a Turkish Airlines flight. This was also "in the news" around the world and covered by many of the same outlets covering this story. My point being, a story appearing in media outlets, does not necessarily make it notable enough for Wikipedia
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: Per  and . Historical or newsworthy events that take place only once (such as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln or the Columbine High School massacre) have to have a significant cultural, international, economic, societal, or governmental impact or be widely regarded as the cause of a notable or historical event. This article clearly doesn't come close to this requirement, and hence I believe it does not need an article on Wikipedia
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS||WP:LASTING)

Comment: per |NOTNEWS and |DINC (or '''merge''', whichever action seems more appropriate). While it's definitely |TOOSOON right now, the vast number of reliable sources found clearly indicates that this event has already had a major enough impact to warrant notability. However, it still needs to be rewritten to comply with |GNG
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS||WP:DINC||WP:TOOSOON||WP:GNG)

Comment: I can understand why this was nominated but the story has developed rapidly since that happened. The United CEO who was named "Communicator of the year" by PR Week just a few weeks ago is now being criticized for http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/11/news/united-passenger-pr-disaster/ a PR disaster in using the "re-accomodating" euphemism and is now calling it a https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/04/11/amid-pr-fiasco-over-dragged-passenger-united-ceo-defends-his-crew/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory "horrific event" and promising changes in procedures. And then we have the http://www.ksat.com/travel/man-dragged-off-united-flight-causes-outrage-in-china outrage in China and accusations of racism. This goes way beyond routine news coverage so  does not apply here
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS)

Comment: for now. |Don't rush to delete articles, I understand the  concerns but this article has already been created, you're not going to get any sort of consensus in the present environment, and we should see how these events play out before doing anything
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:RAPID||WP:NOTNEWS)