Deletion of List of overweight actors in United States cinema

Comment: So is it the consensus here that we must pretend that Sidney Greenstreet did not play a character called "The Fat Man," in The Maltese Falconin 1941 and that, contrary to references, there were not such stereotypes in film noir of the 1940's and 1950's as the "Fat Heavy" as referenced above, and that Orson Welles did not play such a character in Touch of Evil in 1958? Seems like a triumph of "" over |reliable sources and suitable matter for . Again, I agree that a list of names not embodied in the text with inline references invites  violations
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Comment: That is not what anyone said here at any time and it's a bit of hyperbole to suggest that. No one has disputed that there may be the basis of a valid article about a genre staple. The issue that was brought here was the ''list'' itself, which had no real rule of inclusion beyond the non-specific "overweight" or "fat". The problem is that the list as it exists isn't possible to maintain because there is no way to gauge inclusion criteria and it appears to me that most everyone here agrees that maintaining a ''list'' of ill-defined personal properties isn't acceptable. Like I said before, there is nothing stopping you, or anyone else, from taking the basics from the lead and turning it into a possibly great article, but that can't be done from a list, the only criteria for which is the non-specific "overweight". There have been several points raised here that have gone unanswered, mostly about actors whose weight varies greatly, those that "get fat" for roles and that changes, or even, for that matter, actors who once were thin but gained weight as they aged, or once were fat but lost lots of weight. It's all too transitory for maintenance. But you know, suggesting that the overwhelming number of editors who don't find value in the list is fodder for  is a bit contentious. Please take it as it is stated and consider that the comments are |good faith opinions
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Comment: that is factually untrue. The creator of the article was notified http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HUNStefanov&diff=prev&oldid=317570716 here, a fact that you should have noted when you posted your notice to the user talkpage prior to posting your comment here. I do have to wonder why you felt the need to post a notice to every user that ever edited the page, even though about 1/3 of them have not been active here for months to years. That rather skirts violating  in spirit, if not in fact. Meanwhile, the guidelines do ''not'' require that anyone be notified, it is a suggestion, and following that, the creator was notified
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Comment: Since no notice of this AFD was provided to the creator of the article or major contributors to it, as called for by the guidelines for AFD, I shall provide a friendly notice to all editors of the article of this AFD, other than blocked vandals, IP editors or bots. This is in accord with anvass, since I seek to inform editors of the article and specifically avoid seeking to influence their possible input
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Comment: Hard to call. I on't like it very much either.  One problem is the word "overweight" in the title. It sounds like a judgement is being made about the guys. Is there a policy "WP is not a doctor"? Also the word "actor" can be used for women as well as men. You hear this on DVD movie commentary tracks a lot. A better title might be "Movie 'fat man' actors" or something. On the other hand the material is interesting and the topic is certainly notable, depending on how it's defined. Also the effort to provide references for each person is admirable
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Comment: It is  if we do other than relying on reliable secondary sources, such as reviews or obituaries in publicatins such as the New York Times or books about actors and acting where they make the call. In Hollywood's Golden Age, the actors referenced pretty much stuck to that niche. As the article notes. today an obese character will likely be played by a slim actor in a fat suit, because the health risks of morbid obesity took their toll on to=he older generation of actors whose girth was their trademark and their fortune
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