Deletion of List of films by gory death scene (3rd nomination)

Comment: for all the same reasons why I nominated it the last time. #IINFO|Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and |Wikipedia is not a directory of loosely associated topics and |Wikipedia articles require neutral POV. The films on this list with death scenes by similar method have nothing in common with each other in terms of theme, style or genre. They don't even necessarily share much in common by way of the supposed commonality, the death scene. Apocalypto, a lavish, big budget film about one man's experiences at the fall of the Mayan civilization, is in the "violent organ removal" section alongside I Spit on Your Grave, a low budget exploitation shocker about a woman taking revenge on the men who violently raped her, because one includes the sacrificial removal of hearts and the other features a man's balls being ripped off (I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine which film had which scene). These films are lumped alongside other films from every conceivable genre, style and subject matter which feature "gory" deaths by other means. There is no possible objective definition of what constitutes a "gory" death scene, thus the inclusion of any film on this list is reliant on the opinion of an editor as to whether it should be on the list
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT||WP:NOT||WP:NPOV)

Comment: I should note that the two previous AfD's were both "no consensus" and therefore should not be seen as a "survival" or any kind of affirmation for this article. Also, Jamyskis, I'm afraid that the only argument you're putting in for keeping it is that "it's useful." Please see  for why that is not a valid reason to keep an article
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Comment: I hope I'm not mischaracterizing anybody's argument when I say this, but it seems like the general consensus favors deletion and the few dissenters who argue for keeping the article do so because "It's useful." However,  describes quite nicely why "usefulness" is not in and of itself a valid reason to keep an article
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Comment: because this list is completely trivial.  The term of "gory death scene" is subject to an editor's interpretation, a violation of Wikipedia's |no original research policy.  Such an |indiscriminate list also lacks real-world context.  Gory deaths in films should be explored in a prose article using outside references with specifically ''cited'' examples, if such an article does not already exist.  Here, the subjective and indiscriminate nature of the article makes this list unencyclopedic
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:No original research (WP:NOR||WP:IINFO)

Comment: per  and , grouping films by "gory death scenes" is trivial and indiscriminate in my book
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:No original research (WP:NOR||WP:NOT)

Comment: First of all, there is no way to objectively define the word "gory." For instance, the shootout at the end of ''Taxi Driver'' was considered extremely graphic in its day, but is not so bad by today's standards (although, in my opinion, it is still quite brutal). Who is to say what constitutes "gory"? Regardless of how one defines it, there is no way to define "gory" without injecting one's |point of view, which violates Wikipedia policy. Even if we change it to "violent" or something else, we can't change the fact that this is going to be an insanely long list with films on it that often have little or nothing to do with each other. Already, we see ''Taxi Driver'', ''Scream (film)|Scream'', ''Saving Private Ryan'', and ''Star Wars: Episode III'' (!) all under the category of "excessive and/or graphic gunfire." Um, the first one is a psychological drama that has no violence whatsoever until the last scene, the second is a slasher film filled with violent deaths (but doesn't have much artistic value), the third is a graphic but critically acclaimed World War II drama with lots of violent battle scenes, and the fourth is a sci-fi adventure where there are no firearms and no blood! This list is a clear-cut violation of the policy that |Wikipedia articles are not supposed to be about loosely-connected topics. Sorry guys, but this one's a no-brainer. It's got to go
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view (WP:POV||WP:NOT)

Comment: Easiest #DIRECTORY, why? Quote: "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics". The only thing the items of this list have in common is a gory scene, that's pretty loose, especially since most are not noted as being a list (e.g. Nixon's Enemies List), but as scenes from a film (most aren't notable scenes at all
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