Deletion of List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre

Comment: Like it or not, Wikipedia is not a memorial.  Now, personally, I disagree with the reasoning behind that part of , but it ''is'' currently policy and that policy is blocking the inclusion of many other lists of victims, e.g., Columbine, 911, or Talk:Omagh_bombing#List_of_names|the Omagh bombing (where I first learned of the policy).  So until that policy is changed, it has to go
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT)

Comment: another recent related discussion was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casualties of the Beslan school hostage crisis, which was deleted, although the !votes were even-ish.  I think these things are ok on WP, but if so, I think that the  policy needs to be clarified to reflect the notability of victims of notable tragedies or something
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:MEMORIAL)

Comment: A ''list'' of victims, when that list is not excessively long and it is well referenced, does not violate #MEMORIAL.  See a recent discussion at WT:NOT and the related AFD regarding the list of Columbine victims
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT)

Comment: or possibly '''merge and redirect''' to Virginia Tech massacre.  ''is'' applicable in this case because notability has to have existed prior to the event occurring (or afterward if they gain notability for something other than being a victim
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:MEMORIAL)

Comment: The parent article, Virginia Tech massacre, is now large enough that it could make sense to have the victims names split off of the main article.  I would consider dropping my earlier '''Delete''' !vote if a couple of things changed.  First, the list of names should come completely out of the main article.  Only a short synopsis of where the deaths occured and a count of students vs faculty should be in the parent article.  Next, the article under discussion should be renamed to Victims of the Virginia Tech massacre as it is more than a list and contains information on the circumstances of how the victims were where they happened to be.  Fortunately, the list article has gone through some improvment during this discussion as a lot of the memorial (per ) content has been removed and it is more fact based now
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:MEMORIAL)

Comment: read  and , please
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:No personal attacks (WP:NPA||WP:AGF)

Comment: It indeed is in violation of 
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT)

Comment: Serves no useful purpose, other than being a #MEMORIAL|memorial, seeing that the complete list already exists at Virginia Tech massacre#Victims
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT)

Comment: per Neo-Jay,  List of victims of the Columbine High School massacre is an excellent point (not to be confused with ) the list and information about the victims will make the main article too long which will in time become longer itself
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point (WP:POINT)

Comment: Event has received multiday media coverage, while individual victims of crime are not notable the list itself is. Additionally it's not expansive (certainly no Titanic) and is tightly referenced. If we were talking about one or two people - I'd say merge. But the number of victims seems to merit a list article per summary style. No compelling arguments to delete - emorial would seem to apply if we were talking about my grandfather, not an event with coverage on this scale
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Mediation (WP:M)

Comment: if only because it will keep getting added back into the main article. I do beleive there is a chance it may be useful later... and even if it isn't, having this side article frees up clutter from the main article. It may not pass the |ten year test but we can figure that out in a month when the recentensia move on to the next next big hyped news media event. Keep for now and we'll see where it goes. I agree that it should be concise and factual and not a soapy memorial of how we will all miss each student/professor
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Recentism (WP:RECENT)

Comment: You are correct that Wikipedia is not a memorial and this article prevents the need to make an article for each victim. This article serves as an extension of its parent article, Virginia Tech massacre, which would otherwise make that page long and confusing (as per  and Wikipedia:Summary_style#Basic_technique|WP:SS
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Article size (WP:LENGTH)

Comment: as a violation of #MEMORIAL. Keep the emotions out of your article writing
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT)

Comment: This is a reasonable way of presenting this information per |summary style, with a compact bulleted list in the main article and more detailed descriptions here. It's not just an |indiscriminate list, or a #MEMORIAL|memorial as it puts all the victims in context, and adds to the encyclopedic coverage of the massacre
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Summary style (WP:SS||WP:IINFO||WP:NOT)

Comment: the names and '''Delete''' the biographies - Unlike (virtually) everyone else, I don't see any reason for keeping the individual names as a separate list. I don't agree with the delete arguments based on , but "things where a lot of people die at once" happen every day, and we don't list every passenger on a crashed plane, every casualty of a battle etc. IMO the article on Dunblane massacre is pretty much a perfect example of how this sort of thing ought to be handled
Stance: merge
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:MEMORIAL)