Deletion of Papaya (group)

Comment: Actually, I don't see where it clearly says "notability alone is not reason to delete any article." (I see that notability is not a reason for a ''speedy delete'', though.) In fact, when it comes to musical groups, it seems clear that notability ''is'' the deciding factor for keeping or deleting articles. That's why  exists
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:BAND)

Comment: per nom and it does not meet  because it's not JUST "2 albums", but 2 albums on a major or "more important" indie label
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:BAND)

Comment: You completely glossed over , which states "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information," "Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed," and "Wikipedia is not a soap box." All of those policies are why there is a threshold of |notability articles must meet ( explains that threshold for music). It may help for you to read this Wikipedia:Non-notability|failed proposal which argued the same thing you are arguing. Finally, about your argument on consensus: we do not and certainly can not expect "50% of current users" to agree on deletion. That is why a Wikipedia:Deletion_guidelines_for_administrators#Rough_consensus|rough consensus is acceptable
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT||WP:N||WP:BAND)

Comment: Excluding , there is only two valid criterias in Wikipedia:Deletion policy|Deletion policy, "|verifiability" and "|original research". What isn't explicitly mentioned there should not be implicitly assumed just because some WikiProject thinks there is consensus about. For this large site there has to be over 50% of current users making up the consensus to it be the final consensus. Where this really belongs is Portal:Korea which maintains most of the articles about Korean artists. And I can say that I'm one of the participants there
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT||WP:V||WP:OR)

Comment: Well... Duh... "No consensus" is a consensus too. It does say that we really don't care about  and their so-called policies. I'm not saying that it is totally useless WP, but some of their work clearly is against one or two ground rules of Wikipedia. They sure do piss off some of the users and that is something we should try to avoid. Well... I guess I should just turn this vote to "no consensus" too so we have two cases when someone tries to use  as excuse to delete something
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:BAND||WP:BAND)

Comment: Your argument that "We kept X so we should keep Y" is misleading. First, the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Moulann|afd for Moulann resulted in a "no consensus" which maintained the status quo (also meaning that it can very easily be nominated for another afd). That is not "a vote for keeping" the article. Second, the only thing, germane to this discussion, that those two have in common is that neither meets , which is obviously not a good reason to keep the article
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:BAND)

Comment: I guess I can plea on  on the first point. Normal users aren't supposed to memorize contents of all of the pages, just the important rules. Well... This might be totally irrelevant, but I could tell about how I discovered Papaya. Simply. BoA did sing one of their song in one competition. I think it was on some program on TBC or something. What comes to getting 50% consensus on anything, it is matter of narrowing it to specific Portal or WikiProject. Like I implied before, I think it is better to use narrowest guidelines to justify existence of some article. What works with articles about USA or Japan or any other country doesn't always apply with similar articles about Korea. Also when there is people involved who know more than average Wikipedian about this specific area (for example Korean dance music) it is easier to explain if article is better expanded or just plain trashed
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Ignore all rules (WP:IAR)