Deletion of Sedra Bistodeau

Comment: OK, I've just watched the Twin Cities Television clip "Sedra Bistodeau and Sally O’Reilly" http://www.mnoriginal.org/art/?p=2346.  It's about 5-1/2 minutes -- well worth watching, even if you find yourself still on the "Delete" side of this discussion at the end.  I'll go out on a limb and say that this is a  "published work" (see the note that says the category is "deliberately broad") in  terms, and that it yields, together with the newspaper piece already mentioned, the "multiple, non-trivial published works" on the subject that are required by .  Despite the title, the video is unmistakably about Sedra primarily, in terms of screen time and spoken content.  Since Prof. O'Reilly is Sedra's violin teacher, one might question the objectivity of her commentary in this piece; since Sedra speaks at length on screen, one might wonder whether it's too much a primary source.  It is not, however, a self-published work.  I retract my quibble above about the "Artist's Bio" section of the introductory text.  I suspect that the emphasis O'Reilly gets in the text might have been mainly motivated by Minnesota state regulations about justifying use of taxpayer funds in promotion of the arts.  After all, Sedra is unquestionably performing for popular entertainment as well as practicing "serious" music, but Minnesota Original styles itself an "arts and cultural" organization, and is partly tax-payer funded, as is the university at which O'Reilly works.  Minnesota Original may have strained a little to draw the public arts-support connection in this case, on the web; TV-only viewers wouldn't have noticed and wouldn't care if they did, probably, but perhaps readers on the web might forgiven for being a little confused, as I was at first.  As O'Reilly puts it, Sedrea "straddles" the popular and serious genres.  That Sedra  does it so well is, of course, a good part of what makes her remarkable in the first place, and I rather doubt that many people today except those affiliated with University of Minnesota's music department would know of Prof. Sara O'Reilly had it not been for Sedra and this video on local public television.  As far as I'm concerned, this makes the case that Sedra was the true '''subject''' of this work, and that her popularity was the motivation for producing it.  I am not, however, an expert on the application of  by any means, and would be interested in other interpretations and precedents for those interpretations
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Reliable sources (WP:RS||WP:MUSICBIO||WP:MUSICBIO||WP:MUSICBIO)

Comment: further to the issue of whether Sedra meets "9. Has won or placed in a major music competition." of , I've researched and created National Old-Time Fiddlers Contest.  She and Alex Depue together placed first in the category "2010 Twin Fiddling Judge's Choice".http://fiddlecontest.com/2010-Winners.php  Sharing first place is a "win", I'd say.  Should this contest be considered "major"?  Perhaps still a reasonable question.  With hundreds of contestants in 8 categories, and thousands of attendees, sponsored by an organization that claims to certify fiddling contests in 29 states, it's certainly pretty big
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:MUSICBIO)

Comment: I can cut some slack for Esprit15 on the live-radio vs. recording studio distinction.  But I take exception to Esprit15's "doesn't even remotely".  Here's the relevant part of : ''"10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E for further clarifications)".''  So how might she qualify? We've got an appearance on not just "a radio show" but a highly notable, nationally broadcast radio show (Prairie Home Companion), and with more than just a credit like "violin - Sedra Bistodeau".  We've got her recording studio work on what appears to be a notable album (moreover one with a track title having her name in it).  Now, I doubt these satisfy the above guideline clause.  But to say she "''doesn't even remotely''" satisfy it sounds a lot like proof by assertion to me.  Besides which, neither is the "only claim", or even a central claim, to notability.  I suggest (for, what is it now, the ''third'' time?) that we stick with the core issues: how "major" the competitions were, and/or whether the Minnesota Original video segment counts as a significant RS "published work
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:MUSICBIO)

Comment: It seems many more sources were added subsequent to this nom, plus I checked the many references in the Google news link in this nom's template (http://news.google.com/archivesearch?&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia&q=%22Sedra+Bistodeau%22).  In reviewing this article in its current state, my opinion is that she meets usic #1 with multiple nontrivial independent reliable sources; #9 with placing in multiple major music competitions; #10 performing for a notable television show, A Prairie Home Companion; and I would venture to say she passes #7 as well with being a prominent representative of a notable style of a local scene. Cheers
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Mediation (WP:M)

Comment: I agree, Brain, that there's mischaracterization (to the point of trivialization) of Sedra going on here, from the very beginning -- to the point where'd I'd support a clean-sheet relisting of this AfD just to get the discussion off on the right foot.  However, there are weaknesses on the Keep side, too.  For example, the "non-trivial, published source" you point to above has an "artist bio" of only a couple paragraphs -- and for Sally O'Reilly, not Sedra.  (The title lists them both, Sedra first, confusingly.)  So who's really the '''subject'''?  My heart says "Keep", but my head keeps going back to  (a guideline that's pretty new to me, admittedly) to see if she can somehow get across the notability line on ''points''.   And I can't quite see it yet. Let's say it comes down to the competitions.  What counts as a "major competition"?   doesn't say.  Maddening
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:MUSICBIO||WP:MUSICBIO)

Comment: per .  One-time guest appearance on a radio show doesn't cut it
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:MUSIC)