Deletion of Krista White

Comment: nbsp; No arguments for deletion.&nbsp; The  of the nomination is unambiguous.&nbsp; Further, WP:BEFORE D1 Google news shows sources not mentioned by the nominator.&nbsp; While the absence of the WP:BEFORE D1 remains unexplained, I think these sources are sufficiently strong (NYT and articles in Vietnamese) that the explanation is that the nomination was made without using the WP:BEFORE checklist.&nbsp
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:IGNORINGATD)

Comment: My apologies, but I am not convinced that winning a reality show competition qualifies as a "well-known and significant award or honor". The claim that winning ANTM {{tq|is, without reasonable doubt, a "well-known and significant award or honor" from the point of view of the general culture}}, needs some sort of source, as there is plenty of room for interpretation of the word "significant". In order to claim that "consensus is overridden" by the policy itself, it must be crystal-clear what "significant" means; I would argue to the point of actually stating in the policy itself that winning a reality show competition qualifies. Failing that, we must fall back to either a reliable source actually documenting the "significance" of winning a reality competition (and not just claiming that "public opinion says it is significant"), or using tried-and-true consensus to determine what "significant" really does mean specifically in this context. Two people here have already come to opposite conclusions, so clearly there is ambiguity in the term. Furthermore there has yet to be anything approaching a consensus (that I can find) that reality show winners have any special notability on WT:Notability itself where  actually lives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)/Archive_4#Reality_show_participants.3F, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)/Archive_5#Guideline_for_reality_show_contestants, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)/Archive_2008#Reality_TV_contestants, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)/Archive_6#Reality_TV_star_noteability_guidelines), let alone on any of the AfDs for ANTM contestants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Allen_Henson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Avdy_Andresson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bello_S%C3%A1nchez, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bre_Scullark, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cassandra_Whitehead_(3rd_nomination), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chantal_Jones, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Christobelle_Grierson-Ryrie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Claire-Aimee_Unabia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Destenee, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Elyse_Sewell, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Heather_Kuzmich, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kahlen_Rondot_(2nd_nomination), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kari_Schmidt, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kathy_Hoxit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kayla_Ferrel, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Keenyah_Hill_(2nd_nomination), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kiara_Belen, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Louise_Glover, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Samuel_Rascoff, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sarah_Rhoades, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sarah_VonderHaar_(2nd_nomination), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Caridee_English, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brittani_Kline, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lisa_D%27Amato, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lisa_D%27Amato_(2nd_nomination)).  attempted to codify such a stance but failed;  (and , etc.) don't mention anything about winning a competition of any kind.And honestly, what makes winning a reality show significant in the first place? The Scripps National Spelling Bee is much harder with far more contestants, fewer winners per year (1 vs 2), viewed by nearly as many people, and clearly doesn't impart notability. Winning the Jeopardy! College Championship has approximately the same number of contestants, also takes place over a series of episodes, and typically watched by more than three times as many people as ANTM. So what makes ANTM, the http://deadline.com/2012/05/full-2011-2012-tv-season-series-rankings-277941/ 142nd-rated television show of 2011-12, and the 30th-rated reality show of that same season, worthy of being called a "significant" award? Even Survivor, a much higher-rated and longer-running series, doesn't have articles for all its winners. So let's just set  aside for a moment, as I don't think this qualifies. (never mind declaring that passing  ''prima facie'' entitles someone to an article is patently false; all of these additional criteria come with the caveat {{tq|meeting one or more does '''not''' guarantee that a subject should be included}}.)So now we are back to . Yes, this is not the only way to pass notability, but as we've already addressed , and she doesn't pass /, that's really all that's left. So what kind of coverage does Ms. White have?I can find a number of sources that were published within a few days of her winning (http://people.com/tv/americas-next-top-model-winner-krista-still-feels-really-regular/, http://www.seventeen.com/beauty/celeb-beauty/news/a7275/antm-cycle14-krista-white/, http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-krista-white-talks-about-her-america-next-top-model-win-10934.php, http://www.oxygen.com/americas-next-top-model/photos/season-14-winner-krista-white, http://www.sophisticatesblackhairstyles.com/antm-winner-krista-white/, http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f52/krista-white-105525.html, http://www.tvguide.com/news/top-model-winner-1018386/, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/americas-next-top-model-winner-krista-white-i-worked-that-grace-jones.html, http://www.buddytv.com/articles/americas-next-top-model/exclusive-interview-krista-whi-36573.aspx, http://www.ew.com/article/2010/05/13/americas-next-top-model-finale-recap/), but I would argue that these merely support . So what about significant  coverage? That's a bit harder to find, but these are what I located that weren't passing mentions: https://www.buzzfeed.com/bricesander/wanna-be-on-top-top-top-top?utm_term=.tfROMYpxj#.uo8r7BVAP, https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/04/fashion/americas-next-top-model-finale-where-are-the-winners-now.html, http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/america-s-next-top-model-where-are-they-now-124647/photos/krista-white-antm-2017-230359, http://www.eonline.com/photos/17666/ranking-every-america-s-next-top-model-winner-who-s-on-top/537423, https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/photo-gallery/3120661/image/13473756/Krista-White, http://ew.com/gallery/americas-next-top-model-where-are-they-now/americas-next-top-model-then-and-now. Notice how every one of these articles discusses the whole group of winners (or contestants in one case). They clearly establish the notability of the group as a whole (and would qualify for a standalone list, if it weren't already an integral part of the ANTM page itself), but I don't believe they establish the notability of the individual members of the list. Clearly all of the models merit inclusion in the list, and they are indeed all mentioned on the ANTM page. But I don't see them as individually notable as a result
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:ANYBIO||WP:REALITY||WP:NMODEL||WP:NACTOR||WP:ANYBIO||WP:ANYBIO||WP:GNG||WP:BLP1E||WP:SUSTAINED)

Comment: Background: tagged for  by the nominator ({{u|Sportsfan 1234}}) with the comment
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Proposed deletion (WP:PROD)

Comment: on "where are they now" articles that feature Krista White'' (like those linked above, from https://www.buzzfeed.com/bricesander/wanna-be-on-top-top-top-top ''BuzzFeed'', the https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/04/fashion/americas-next-top-model-finale-where-are-the-winners-now.html ''New York Times'', http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/america-s-next-top-model-where-are-they-now-124647/photos/krista-white-antm-2017-230359 ''In Touch Weekly'', http://www.eonline.com/photos/17666/ranking-every-america-s-next-top-model-winner-who-s-on-top/537423 ''E! Online'', https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/photo-gallery/3120661/image/13473756/Krista-White ''PopSugar'', and http://ew.com/gallery/americas-next-top-model-where-are-they-now/americas-next-top-model-then-and-now ''Entertainment Weekly''): the significance of these articles is quite opposite to what {{u|Cthomas3}} attributes to them. "Where are they now" articles exist on a variety of competitions, and they do ''not'' automatically feature capsule biographies of ''all'' the winners, as these on America's Next Top Model|''ANTM'' do. (The one from https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/photo-gallery/3120661/image/13473756/Krista-White ''PopSugar'' even gives individual capsule biographies for all 204 ''contestants!'') For comparison, I searched for "where are they now" articles on the Scripps National Spelling Bee, introduced above by {{u|Cthomas3}} as a term of comparison. I found a couple of "where are they now" articles from http://www.slate.com/articles/life/explainer/2012/06/scripps_national_spelling_bee_what_happens_to_the_winners_later_in_life_.html ''Slate'' and https://www.inverse.com/article/32544-where-are-they-now-scripps-spelling-bee-champions ''Inverse Culture'', but their structure was very different from the America's Next Top Model|''ANTM'' articles. There was no attempt at capsule biographies of all winners, or even of all recent winners for some definition of "recent". Instead, they gave broad generalizations about the winners as a class, with more detailed information about a very few winners selected as examples. This kind of article supports the notability of the competition itself and of the specific winners given detailed coverage (Rebecca Sealfon in particular clearly needs her own article, not just a redirect as she has at present!), but it does not present the competition as conferring notability on all its winners. By contrast, six different publications giving capsule biographies of ''all'' America's Next Top Model|''ANTM'' winners for the competition's entire history are making a very strong statement that ''all'' America's Next Top Model|''ANTM'' winners are worthy of coverage (and thus notable!) as individuals ''simply because they won a cycle of'' America's Next Top Model|''ANTM''. (https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/photo-gallery/3120661/image/13473756/Krista-White ''PopSugar'' even votes to extend that to all ''contestants'', but it appears to be alone in that.) Note that  within  specifically states that the topic "does not need to be the main topic of the source material". So these articles not only support the notability under  of America's Next Top Model|''ANTM'' itself, and of every one of the individual winners they cover, including Krista White—they also support the status of winning America's Next Top Model|''ANTM'' as a "well-known and significant award or honor", conferring notability via  even on winners in cycles after their publication
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:SIGCOV||WP:N||WP:GNG||WP:ANYBIO)