Deletion of Orient Express Cocktail Bar

Comment: spaced ndash}} since it meets : http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/24/now-voyager-orient-express-bar/, http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/orient-express/, http://www.timeout.com/newyork/bars/orient-express-cocktail-bar
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG)

Comment: Non-notable due to lack of depth in coverage. Restauraunt reviews and other routine or local coverage do little to establish notability. Also fails un of the mill, as there are literally hundreds, of drinking establishments within a one-mile radius of this one that have garnered a similar level of coverage. None of the sources are in depth discussions about the establishment itself. My own search turned up only more reviews and routine coverage
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Redirect (WP:R)

Comment: Dear fellow editors, we are simply going and taking the topic to some where else. I hope now we are not discussing about  of New York Magazine. The local news paper may be having nation wide circulation. It may be notable but it does not mean that every word printed on it should be on Wikipedia. Further subject, just being published in one or two does make it notable. I think  is very clear on this. It needs multiple, verifiable and reliable material. Not just a review in one notable magazine. I think we can better close the discussion. Just repeating the point does not make any sense. Thank you
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Reliable sources (WP:RS||WP:GNG)

Comment: As I have already noted, while ''New York Magazine'' is surely a notable publication, it is still a publication that serves, primarily, its New York City audience, and as such, will publish reviews of local restaurants.  This is ''local coverage'' and does not meet the requirement of  that the coverage of a topic extend beyond its own local area
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG)

Comment: to NA1K)- I think you may be confusing ''New York'' magazine with ''the New Yorker'', the former is a local publication while the latter is a national publication with a much broader readership. ''New York'' magazine is a local publication akin to ''Boston'' magazine, both of which cover social aspects of the two cities in which they are based. In either case you are again ascribing the publications notability with the depth of coverage of the subject within the magazine. Just because a publication is notable does not make the subject covered by the publication notable, we have to look at how the subject is covered within the publication. Is the coverage outine|routine or does it go into depth and give a broad picture of the subject? In this case we are seeing simple blurbs, reviews and topical coverage that only establishes the verifiability of the subject. Just because it appears in print does not mean it is notable
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Redirect (WP:R)

Comment: When considering the sources for this restaurant, keep in mind the concept of '''|depth of coverage''': this restaurant has received reviews only in local media.  To be sure, because the locality is New York City, the "local sources" have a much greater breadth of readership, but consider if this restaurant had been in Tulsa instead of New York.  Would local reviews in the Tulsa newspapers and magazines have counted toward '''depth of coverage'''?  In general, for , we want to see coverage of an organization beyond its own local media
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:CORPDEPTH||WP:ORG)

Comment: Sir, here we are not discussing about the notability of New York (magazine)|New York Magazine. This magazine is notable for sure. But kindly understand that one or two listings in that news magazine does not make the subject to pass . There needs to be multiple primary and secondary sources (not to forget ) and wider coverage shall be necessary. We needs to be extra sure as it is a business listing and not a BLP.  is not the same for a BLP and for this kind of business listings. So kindly understand the wikipedia policies in this regard. Please add more reliable sources so that we can make sure that the subject is notable not only locally but at least in a region/state. Don't loose heart, if deleted. You can always come back whenever you feel that you have enough reliable sources. Otherwise, Sorry IMHO this article needs to be deleted immediately. Please also note that Wikipedia is not a business directory. There are sites such as yellowikis for this kind of business listings. So for now it is very difficult to keep the article. Thanks
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG||WP:RS||WP:GNG)