Deletion of Adam C. Winfield

Comment: to the FOB Ramrod kill team article (or other similar article).  I know that a lot of people think it's important to get every piece of information up about every news event, but there is a very good reason for --we simply cannot make an article about this person until we have extremely strong evidence (I would say that we would need, at a minimum, a conviction, along with evidence that this is more important than a typical crime occurring during war) before the perpetrator of a crime (if, he, in fact, did commit a crime) gets an article.  This is because living people deserve the right to not have Wikipedia compound difficulties in their own lives.   overrides notability and sourcing except in cases where we are certain that the event in question is highly important. It is very possible that Winfield may eventually meet the criteria necessary to surpass BLP1E; but we cannot know that now, nor possibly for a long time
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (WP:BLP1E||WP:BLP1E)

Comment: highly notable, tons of sources and surely a notable person allegedly committing one of the most serious war crime cases to emerge from the War in Afghanistan.  does not apply as the crimes were committed in stages and a long period of time. Surely a notable person that people want to know about
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:1E)

Comment: it's eminantly clear that the article as it stands violates  and ; however, the event is highly notable. Given that he is only one of twelve suspects, the article should be about the incident and not the individual(s) accused
Stance: merge
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (WP:BLP1E||WP:PERP)

Comment: or redirect to an article about the event). Person gets charged (good). Media reports allegations (good). Editors create a fake BLP (bad). This is an encyclopedia, see . In six months, some hard facts should be available and the question of whether this individual warrants a biographical article can be revisited. If there is a conviction, the name of the living person can be recorded in an encyclopedic article; until then, it's just speculation about an alleged 
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTNEWS||WP:BLP1E)

Comment: After leaving my "keep" opinion above I did some work fixing the bare-naked URLs in this article, and in the article on the ringleader, Calvin Gibbs.  The comment has been made above that Winfield was just "one of twelve" alleged perpetrators, and that whatever was worthy of coverage about them should be covered in one article, about ''"the event"''.  I don't think we have enough detail to flesh out articles on all twelve alleged perpetrators, and I suggest the also-rans should be covered in an article that included the base where the murders occurred.  The murders occurred when the GIs, all in Company B, where stationed at Forward Operating Base Ramrod.  So, I think they should be covered in an article with a title like, ''"FOB Ramrod murder conspiracy"''. The way I see it, an association with the conspiracy is not a "one event".  The three murders we have heard about were spread over a four month period.  Why shouldn't each be considered a separate event?  As Iqinn noted above, Winfield is reported to have tried blow the whistle on the genuine perps.  Winfield is not the only whistleblower.  Three days after the third murder a newly arrived recruit tried to report that murder, and was severely beaten.  The rings crimes came to light after the beating of that second whistleblower was investigated.  In addition to the murders the ring is alleged to have, kept body parts of their victims' corpses, as trophies, robbed civilians and to have indulged in heavy use of hashish, which, like opium, is cheap and plentiful in Afghanistan.The way I see it, as of September 16, 2010, Gibbs, and Winfield merit individual articles.  The rest should be covered in an article on the ring, which should have a {{tl|seealso}}s for Gibbs and Winfield. Additional individuals may merit coverage in separate articles, as more details emerge.Another contributor refers us to the  section of otability (people).  They quoted a passage from that section: ''"Someone accused of a crime is not guilty unless and until this is decided by a court of law. '''Editors must give serious consideration to not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator until a conviction is secured.'''"''  As I wrote above, the wikipedia currently contains articles on something like one million individuals.  I think we should know, by now, how to write articles on alleged perps, without implying their guilt had been proved.  We should consider not creating an article on Winfield, ''"until a conviction is secured"''?  OK, what does the rest of the section say?  The third of the three numbered points in the section says: {{quotation|"'''The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual or has otherwise been considered noteworthy such that it is a well-documented historic event.''' Generally the historic significance is indicated by persistent coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources that devote significant attention to the individual's role. The assessment of notability on the basis of news coverage should follow the same criteria for assessing the notability of the crime, as above
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:PERP||WP:N)

Comment: and redirect to a new article on the event itself.  A bio on this individual fails 
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (WP:BLP1E)

Comment: with Calvin Gibbs under a new article name which refers to the events rather than the names of the accused, I suggest Kill team murders.  Although not strictly a single event, it seems clear to me that the concept behind  should apply here.  The crimes themselves are distinguished from other recent war crimes because of the physical trophies and the threats against other unit members to keep them quiet
Stance: merge
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (WP:BLP1E)