Deletion of Bay Area Science Fiction Association

Comment: This diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bay_Area_Science_Fiction_Association&diff=prev&oldid=416106228 where you say "As president of the club, you should avoid editing the article as you have a |conflict of interest" could give the impression that you are accusing Kastandlee of having a conflict of interest. If Kastandlee was editing the article to present a particular POV I would share a similar concern, but when I read over the article I am impressed by how NPOV it is.  says that editors like Kastandlee "should" avoid editing pages such as these, it doesn't say that such practice is expressly forbidden. I'm not seeing any POV pushing here
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (WP:COI||WP:COI)

Comment: the basic rules for a group are found at . You have to remember that |Notability is not contagious!. The store that sold :Wilson Tucker|Tucker his :Jim Beam|Beam's Choice did not share in his status as fannish legend; the machine on which the first edition of '':The Enchanted Duplicator'' was printed did not thus acquire a spark of stefnal glory. Unless a venue is written about as its own independent topic (such as the :Algonquin roundtable), the notability of the members and habitues thereof is irrelevant; "associational items" are for the collector, or the auctioneer looking to pump up his yield. Many frat chapters, sewing circles, book clubs, lodges, union locals, drinking clubs, college and school societies, etc. have had one or two or twenty or one hundered notable members, without ever thus becoming notable in their own rights
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (:WP:CLUB||:WP:NOTCONTAGIOUS)

Comment: While I am yet to find any solid reliable sources for this organisation that would make it pass , a good look around its GHits seems to indicate that the organisation does have some notability, especially as a lobbying organisation for awards such as the Hugos. This organisation certainly does appear to produce an award recommendation list that does have some influence. I appreciate that influence does not always mean notable, but in this case believe that it does have some bearing on the overall general notability
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:ORG)

Comment: Having seen a few of these discussions escalate as it appears to now be doing, I'd recommend that both Kastandlee and RadioFan take a breath and a break. RadioFan: while I appreciate what you are doing, where you are coming from, and what you are trying to achieve, you should take into account that you are dealing with a fairly new editor who has passion and drive, and wikipedia needs this in its contributors. I also believe that  is a harsh accusation to level in this occurence, and instead of stating that an editor has this you may have been better off statinng that the editor "may" have this, to AGF. My reading of  is that it relates primarily to commercial interests and is a little over the top in this case. Kastandlee: I know where you're coming from too. What is considered notable in Wikipedia is a little confusing compared too how things work in the real world. However, it is their rules and it's best to play by them. Similarly, what makes up a reliable source can be frustrating -- the circular argument that just because a source is notable enough to have a wikipedia entry doesn't make it reliable does my head in sometimes. Has there been any write-ups of the BASFA in somewhere like Locus, or local SF press? These would go a long way to demonstrating notability. Has the club fanzine been nominated for/won any awards? These should also help. If you can go through whatever records you have and add links for these references to this AfD that would be more helpful that getting into a disagreement with RadioFan. Your passion and drive to make wikipedia better is appreciated, and don't be disheartened by this initial setback
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (WP:COI||WP:COI)