Deletion of List of Net channels

Comment: as falling foul of  and completely unsourced
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTDIR)

Comment: Unfortunately, I missed the early part of the debate when the precedent and momentum for mass deletion was set.  However, I feel the argument for deletion in some cases has been flawed. Whilst I accept consensus can change. My understanding of the original meaning of  was that it was to combat a trend in TV/Radio station articles to publish the entire schedule of the station in question.  In that case I  agree that Wikipedia should not try and replicate that. However, I feel that channel line-ups are not the same thing. In many cases they are sourcable. Furthermore, whilst subscribers have ready access to some (i.e. the EPG position) of this information, non-subscribers don't.  A further argument presented is that they are purely "marketing tools" of the platform provider. I don't believe this is necessarily true. On services where you dont actually have to subscribe to receive some (of even many) channels the articles shine a light (in a way that service providers never would) to what a subscriber is actually paying for.  This may not be true of the article in question and this may or may not be fixable (cable is probably more closed than a satellite platfrom
Stance: comment
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Comment: for the reasons explained over and over, of , which trumps the feeble  we hear with each losing batch process
Stance: delete
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Comment: When we delete a substantive article it should be done respectfully and with regret and so I find the tone of some of this discussion rather distasteful. Whether or not there is a breach of  seems to be purely a matter of subjective opinion. I can't see that the "deletes" (here and at the other AFDs) are any more policy-based than the "keeps". To my (UK) mind the argument that the list is equivalent to an EPG seems utterly bizarre&mdash;the material here is not subject to constant change. Or maybe channels change constantly in Brazil and lineups vary from place to place across the country, I don't know. The article has not had a huge number of edits but this may be lack of maintenance rather than an indication of stability. Sadly, the article has serious shortcomings: no references, context or historicity. If there were a channel list at http://www.netcombo.com.br (I haven't found one) or some other reliable place I'd suggest creating a new section at Net S.A. linking to the external source and redirecting this article there. Otherwise, as an editorial matter, this list could be merged into Net S.A.. Whatever happens, a bald "delete" is not where I think  policy or  guidance should lead us. I was notified of this discussion
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTDIR||WP:NOT||WP:GNG)

Comment: It is not an 'Electronic Programme Guide' as it doesn't list programmes (thus not violating ), instead it is a notable list of channels by a major television operator in South America
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTDIR)

Comment: Unlike some of the above comments, I don't see this as a "clear cut example" or "textbook example" of anything like , as lists of related subjects is a long standing tradition on Wikipedia.  I know there are some who would want to get rid of all lists on Wikipedia, but that is a fight that has been around for nearly a decade and won't go away any time soon.  That said, I don't see anything in this particular list that is tying these various television networks together or provides any value over the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Brazilian_television_channels&oldid=193256329 List of Brazilian Television Channels.  Compared to other lists, I really don't see anything of substance being offered with this particular article other than perhaps acting as a guide for somebody who may have this particular cable provider.  Other lists can and often do have additional pieces of information associated with them.  As perhaps a compromise, if some of these various lists were merged together and had something like that Brazilian Television Stations list which also listed channel numbers for various major cable providers associated with those networks... could that provide some of the same sort of information that is currently being displayed on this page but in a more useful format?  I do think some room for compromise is definitely available where this kind of article could at least be removed but the useful information be preserved in some fashion and remain on Wikipedia
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTDIR)

Comment: Textbook example of what we are to avoid per 
Stance: delete
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Comment: As per , generally. Fails policy by replicating an electronic programme guide
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTDIR)

Comment: along with  these tend to drift as editors quit or move to other things and they always wind up being out of date and full of incorrect info
Stance: delete
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