Deletion of Parks Junior High School

Comment: Perhaps some of the usual defenders of school articles could go to  and start a discussion to establish notability guidelines for schools such as the Blue Ribbon program mentioned above. I see the same for and against arguments here for most every nom. In my opinion this is a waste of our time and effort. I personally think very few schools are notable but in the absence of guidelines to use, what other basis is there for a !vote? I just read that 85% of school AfD's result in no consensus or keep, so establish some guidelines and lets stop wasting time and effort. If the end result is that '''all''' schools are notable, so be it, I disagree but we all have better things to do, including the supporters
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NOTE)

Comment: The trivial parts of the article have been removed (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parks_Junior_High_School&diff=127576966&oldid=126275159). As for notability, the school is a Blue Ribbon school ... placing it in the top 10% of schools in California. Surely a nationally-recognised school can be considered notable. Most of the arguments to delete (including the nom's) so far have consisted of claims that it is "|just not notable" without any explanation or justification
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:JNN)

Comment: fails , . I concur on the need for notability standards, but as far as this particular one goes, this Blue Ribbon School citation - which is waved as ''prima facie'' evidence of notability - gets pulled out on damn near every junior high school AfD.  I'm coming to believe that the award is nowhere remotely close to being as notable as all of that
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Verifiability (WP:V||WP:NN)

Comment: Prior to your edit the article made no "explicit claim to notability" whatsoever - the only claims in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parks_Junior_High_School&oldid=126275159 the version which was nominated were "The Parks Instrumental Band and String Orchestra are great music programs" (twice), "The Parks volleyball team took 2nd in the county finals in 2005", and "the advanced choir group has performed at festivals and has received prestigious awards". While I do believe we ought to have articles on most high schools, I'm still not convinced there's anything about this particular junior high school to pass . Of the four references added, two are about other schools & don't mention this school once, while the other two are both just laundry lists of schools with nothing to single this one out
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:ORG)

Comment: for two blue ribbons per .  FWIW, I don't think the school +s and -s are that far apart at the moment, as many of the recent school AfDs have had good consensus.  There will always be a minority of +++s and ---s who refuse to accept any reasonable compromise.  While their input is valid, I don't think we should let them prevent the community as a whole from reaching some kind of middle ground
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:N)

Comment: I strongly agree. I personally feel that secondary schools or their equivalents are almost always N as they generally have a significant impact on both their community and their students, whilst primary schools, junior highs etc don't, but am well aware this is purely a subjective view. I also agree the current situation wastes everyone's time rehashing the same debate. Also, applying  to schools - the closest we have to a current criteria - exacerbates systemic bias since schools in the US & Canada are far more likely to have web sources than those elsewhere
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:ORG)

Comment: Are you claiming that you have been unable to click on the links provided to verify the sources provided? Are any schools notable? This is just a long-winded version of the unacceptable, |Just not notable. Refer to a genuine Wikipedia policy, not your personal whims and arbitrary beliefs
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:JNN)