Deletion of Journal of Law and Social Deviance

Comment: I would like to point out that the above references given by  {{user|206.174.67.237}} are just citations of articles published in this journal, ''not'' in-depth discussions of the journal itself. For |academics, we generally require hundreds if not thousands of such citations before they are considered notable and it is difficult to see why this should be different for a complete ''journal''... The ''Bluebook'' contains instructions on how to cite legal publications (particularly in the United States). Inclusion of a journal abbreviation in it therefore hardly a distinction, nor is it in-depth coverage.  I maintain that this journal fails both  and ournals
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:PROF||WP:GNG||WP:NJ)

Comment: I have refrained from making a recommendation until now because I was hoping that those calling for keeping this article would come up with some better evidence, but that now seems unlikely as the one editor who might have done so has chosen to interpret questioning and debate as bullying. Worldcat lists http://www.worldcat.org/title/journal-of-law-and-social-deviance-interdisciplinary-and-independent-studies-of-sociality-deviance-and-law/oclc/759405641&referer=brief_results 33 libraries carrying this journal, but that is for the online edition that presumably costs less than the http://www.lsd-journal.net/order.html $45 a pop that it costs to get it on CD, so it doesn't represent any great commitment from those libraries. Both HeinOnline and the Bluebook aim for comprehensiveness, so those listings are the opposite of the selective listings required by . No independent sources about the journal have been presented here, and the only citations to it are in articles written by the journal's editor. I'll refrain from giving my opinion about the general acceptance in academia of this type of anti-academic self-promotion in case it's construed as more "bullying
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NJOURNALS)

Comment: fails  and ournals -- something apparent in the results of the searches given at the top
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG||WP:NJ)

Comment: it is surely worth knowing that the person who created this article also wanted to create one on the editor of the journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Carmen_M._Cusack failed AfC); it's also interesting to see the editor's now-blanked user page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Civilalmas&oldid=501206594.  I think we've got a big steaming plate of  here
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOT)

Comment: Phil: First, my analysis of Wikipedia's policies are spot-on. Everything I wrote is true. Please address what I wrote directly and, at least, support your claims. Second, I can assure you that a conversation about Deletion policies is irrelevant to the authors' legal analyses and capabilities, professional reputations, or decision to publish with the journal. Nevertheless, you should pay them more respect. They have all earned it. Third, TAA is an organization established by and for academic authors. The journal has served as a text book in university courses. It is an academic text. TAA is not an arbitrary lending institution posting an informal notice online. TAA is a reliable and selective source that produces monthly content for academic authors. What you see online was a part of a mailed newsletter that contained articles about academic publishing written by experts for experts. The statement describes what the journal has already achieved. The mixed-media format has already served as an academic text at a university. This journal is physically archived in law libraries and university libraries in Canada, U.S., and Puerto Rico. These are highly selective archives. One example maybe viewed here, http://www.ccl.lib.ak.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi.exe/x/0/0/57/5?user_id=PACUAS&password=EGAN&searchdata1=journal+of+law+and+social+deviance&srchfield1=GENERAL%5ESUBJECT%5EGENERAL%5E%5Ewords+or+phrase&submit=Search. I would like to highlight that no one is debating that HeinOnline is selective. Thus, because of the journal's physical inclusion in libraries and its inclusion in HeinOnline, the journal qualifies under criteria 1 of  and ournals.  — Preceding Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/206.174.67.237|206.174.67.237
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG||WP:NJ)

Comment: The above links are just a few examples of the journal being cited by other journals, some of which are included in Wikipedia. For example, The New York Bar Association and The Rutgers Journal of Law and Public Policy both published articles that cite this journal. To clarify, those are not links to this journal. They are links to other reliable journals that have published citations to this journal. In the J. L. & Soc. Deviance's Wikipedia page, the journal includes a quote published by the Text and Academic Author's Association (TAA). This independent source discusses the journal. There is no definition in  and ournals for "in depth", so this quote satisfies that requirement. You seem to have conceded to the point that HeinOnline is selective. This means that the journal meets the criteria in  and ournals. Your idea that we should conflate |academics and  and ournals is inappropriate because the standards are wholly distinguishable and measured separately. Many of the journals with pages on Wikipedia have not been cited hundreds or thousands of times. You offer no evidence to support your insinuation that all other journals on Wikipedia have been cited hundreds or thousands of times. Because this journal is included in a selective database, HeinOnline, and because it has been addressed directly in detail by TAA, a reliable source with editorial integrity, this page meets the standards set forth in  and ournals.  — Preceding Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/206.174.67.237|206.174.67.237
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG||WP:NJ||WP:GNG||WP:NJ||WP:PROF||WP:GNG||WP:NJ||WP:GNG||WP:NJ)