Deletion of Newcastle United F.C. 0–1 Crystal Palace F.C. (1907)

Comment: Obviously, as creator. It meets the GNG, it was discussed widely in newspapers at the time and was the '''first''' great cup upset in the history of the FA Cup. Any clunky text is based on me copying the format of the article Hereford United 2–1 Newcastle United, where you can clearly find the text "the equivalent of the current Premier League." I would suggest that most of the participants in this debate are suffering from something akin to , in that only recent events seem to them to be worthy of inclusion. I'd also note that ''We All Follow The Palace'' is more than a book written by and for fans; the history of the club was written by Tony Matthews who has authored numerous books on Football Club History.  It's also somewhat disingenuous to suggest the book is written for the fans, given that most books, indeed most things in general, are bought by fans of the book itself.  Attempting to cast aspersions on something because people buy it seems an odd argument to make. A book about a football club will inevitably be bought by fans of that club. The article has been amended to suggest it is the equivalent of a '''League One''' side, not a Division One side as Division One is the second division and the article was at one point in time suggesting the third division.  In actuality, what happened is a club that had been formed the previous season and were playing non-league football beat the champions of England. It is hard to think of something equivalent in this day and age happening, a club formed in 2011 beating Manchester United the first round of the cup? The stuff of legends! I would in summary point out that Wikipedia:Notability is not superseded by the local, specific, consensus in .  There are not two hurdles to be jumped here, the notability guidance is quite clear on this: '''A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets the general notability guideline below.''' Nobody has found an issue with the GNG, the article has sources in the press of the day and I suspect there are others in more recent papers but I do not as yet have access to the correct libraries nor the time to find them.  I presume they exist and the presumption is that the match is of note. Best regards
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Recentism (WP:RECENTISM||WP:EVENT)

Comment: I can't see any indication that this is a particularly notable match. The article itself states that it is the equivalent of a Division 1 team beating a Premier League team. This is not really a particularly rare occurrance. Additionally, most of the sources explaioning how this is a shock are of dubious reliability. Nine references seem to come from http://www.freewebs.com/captainbeecher/1907crystalpalace.htm a random personal website. Of the remaining recent sources, presumably those cited as showing , a significant number of them are from a book called ''We All Follow The Palace'', which sounds like a book written by and for fans, so not a reliable source or from a Crystal Palace matchday programme. I can't see anything to indicate that this match has received significant coverage a "great FA Cup shock" in any truly independant sources
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:PERSISTENCE)

Comment: I am hampered by not being able to read the newspaper reports of the period but (anyway, and particularly after looking at the article creator's contribution record) I am willing to accept that the coverage was substantial. In itself this could be regarded as merely routine reporting but I see the match is still being written about by reliable sources over a hundred years later. To me that establishes notability in the  sense. I think it a defect that otability (sports) has little historical perspective (although  does seem to be met) and that FOOTY restricts itself to personalities. However, those are problems with the specific guidelines and not with the article itself
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG||WP:N||WP:SPORTSEVENT||WP:NFOOTY)

Comment: IMO, cup shocks fall under . Plus some of the stuff in the introduction ("the equivalent of the current Premier League") is cringeworthy
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:ROUTINE)

Comment: Does not meet criteria from  guideline; routine sports reporting
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:EVENT)