Deletion of Hartselle City School District

Comment: There is a broad consensus — not reflected in the actual guidelines, but very broadly accepted and enforced by closing administrators in AfD debates — that secondary schools are presumed notable if existence can be demonstrated (akin to the way towns, rivers, highways, etc. are treated) while primary schools are presumed non-notable outside of extraordinary circumstances. The latter are redirected to the school district or, failing that opportunity, to the town in which they are located. This compromise between those favoring a tight, narrowly focused encyclopedia and those favoring a broad, expansive encyclopedia has a logic behind it. As follows: high schools are community landmarks and are almost invariably the subject of substantial media coverage, sponsoring sports teams, drama clubs, bands, orchestras, choral groups, etc. Moreover, proper biographies often include the exact name of a high school and these links should be blue, not red; elementary schools are not mentioned by name. Elementary school articles are invariably vapid, containing daily schedules, lunch menus, teacher lists, and so forth that often run afoul of NOTDIRECTORY. This is the consensus that has emerged, it works. We don't need to spend half an hour every day fighting over overzealous deletionists challenging this high school or that or overzealous inclusionists arguing that Smalltown Elementary School should be included because the ''Smalltown Cryer'' and the ''Smalltown Community News'' each have run a couple articles on the school over the years. High schools which exist are in, elementary schools unless extraordinarily noteworthy are out, end of story. Now, here's the catch... For this system to work, there need to be redirection targets — articles on school districts. These entities should be treated like high schools, if their existence is confirmed, they should be in. The fact that these are lousy machine-created stubs should not detain us, Wikipedia needs these target pages, which WILL inevitably flesh out over time. If you want to call this an  defense, that's fine, although I think a careful consideration of the logic of this situation should support what I'm suggesting here
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Ignore all rules (WP:IAR)

Comment: contrary to what has been stated above, there doesn't seem to be anything in our notability guidelines that gives a "government" (to use the loosely applied word) automatic notability.  has nothing that exempts "governments" (or school districts) from its general rules. Claims that school districts are inherently notable are not supported by our guidelines
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:ORG)

Comment: all of them. It's true that elementary SCHOOLS are not generally considered notable, but school districts should be. There is nothing wrong with |stubs if the subject matter qualifies for an article, and school districts do qualify. IMO TMLutas should be thanked for filling in this huge gap in our coverage of school districts
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Stub (WP:STUB)

Comment: Schools and school districts fall under , which these fail, outright.  The editors citing  seemed to have missed, well, the entire thing they cited.  Wikipedia:SCHOOLOUTCOMES#Citing this page in AfD specifically, and the fact that it specifically says that schools fall under .  Notability has to be established, and SIG|when the relevant notability guideline specifically says that nothing is inherently notable, it makes protestations to the contrary very weak arguments, not supported by a single thing on Wikipedia; nothing is notable "|just because".  Short of explaining how these articles meet , they do not belong on Wikipedia, per established consensus
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:ORG||WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES||WP:ORG||WP:ORGSIG||WP:JNN||WP:ORG)

Comment: Established consensus described in  is that the vast majority of elementary school articles (except those about schools of genuine historical or architectural notability) ought to be redirected to an article about the school district or locale. To me, an article about the responsible governmental entity, namely the school district, is always preferable, as that is the logical place for a list of schools, a list of board members including elections and taxing authority, a description of the history of education in that geographical area, and so on. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with a stub about any notable topic, and as time goes on, users who learn that we rarely have articles about individual elementary schools but usually have articles about school districts, will be motivated to expand these stubs. It ought to be considered indisputable that these governmental entities have received significant coverage in reliable sources over periods of many years, even if such coverage is not always instantly available through a Google search. Many local newspapers are not yet indexed online. This encyclopedia is a work in progress, and I believe that one of our long range goals ought to be an informative, well-referenced article about every single school district on the face of the Earth, and I commend TMLutas for efforts in that direction
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Deletion policy (WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)

Comment: AfD is not |a substitute for clean up. The question really should be is each of these different school districts are |notable organizations? Each one of these organizations should be reviewed independently. That being said, a compromise would be to create list articles, for each state, of the school districts. As individual school district articles are created, once |notability is established for each school district, those redlinks would become links to actual articles. Many organizations receive multiple mentions in reliable sources, and when taken in total could be considered |significant coverage; that being said, each one of these organizations should be examined on a case by case basis. For instance take my local elementary school district, it has received https://www.google.com/search?q=chula+vista+elementary+school+district&aq=0&oq=Chula+Vista+Ele&aqs=chrome.0.0l4j60j65.2718&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=%22chula+vista+elementary+school+district%22&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&psj=1&ei=RE0tUfq7LoTTigLF84GIAQ&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42965579,d.cGE&fp=45a4557c3da0fe5a&biw=978&bih=710 over 100 mentions (some of them potentially significant
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:NOTCLEANUP||WP:ORG||WP:NN||WP:SIGCOV)