Deletion of Iron Lady

Comment: A redirect to Margaret Thatcher does not comply with |the purposes of redirects as the Thatcher rticle title|topic deals with her biography and "''Iron Lady''" is now a linguistic term. Nor does a merger work because doing so cuts out the sourced  material about how the term is being used with other female political leaders. Now, if one could write an article about strong-willed female leaders, along the lines of "Steel baron", then a redirect to the re-written and re-titled article would be fine. For now, though, keeping the article IAW  is the best solution
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Redirect (WP:POFR||WP:A||WP:NOTEWORTHY||WP:PRESERVE)

Comment: I must note that the three dissenting voices to this Afd make their cases pretty poorly. Firstly, I should like to turn to {{u|Peterkingiron}}'s argument and his making the dubious case that {{tq|the list of people to whom the epithet has been applied}} is ''"potentially valuable"''. This is faulty logic that has already been discredited hitherto. Cutting to the chase, Margaret Thatcher is by far the , take Google Books for credence: there are https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=bks&q=%22Iron+Lady%22&oq=%22Iron+Lady%22 around 40,600 results that "Iron Lady" garners, of which all the results of the first page save just one pertain to the British stateswoman. Searching https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=bks&q=%22Iron+Lady%22&oq=%22Iron+Lady%22#tbm=bks&q=%22Iron+Lady%22+AND+%22Thatcher%22 "Iron Lady" AND "Thatcher" garners 25,600 results and only loses around 15,000. Yet https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=bks&q=%22Iron+Lady%22&oq=%22Iron+Lady%22#tbm=bks&q=%22Iron+Lady%22+-%22Thatcher%22 searching for "Iron Lady" -"Thatcher" loses around 10,000 results (with a negligible 15,600 garnered in total instead), and even this may be a slight exaggeration given how Thatcher is self-evidently alluded to in at least two of the results received on the first page. Having read , this pretty much nails it. Secondly, {{u|Tlhslobus}}'s arguments: stating that ''"it'' Iron Lady ''now often is"'' used to apply to other women. This statement pretty much flies in the face of  without shame. He then goes on to say that {{tq|In this respect it seems different from Iron Duke, as that nickname is seemingly not routinely applied to large numbers of other people.}} This ''"large numbers of other people"'' claim is (as I gladly concur with {{u|John}}) simply media-driven drivel and borderline sexism. Both Fernando Álvarez de Toledo, 3rd Duke of Alba and Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias have been widely described by various reputable sources also as "Iron Dukes", yet this does not in any way negate the fact that Wellington is by far the . (If you want Google Books statistics for Iron Duke, I will be happy to present you the facts.) You then go on to say, {{tq|Incidentally, perhaps partly but seemingly not entirely as a result of recent amendments, it now at least appears unusually well-sourced compared to many Wikipedia articles.}} That is a woefully inadequate "Well, at least it's not as bad as that article" case-in-point, that does neither side any favours and fails . For {{u|Alexmar983}} who stated that the {{tq|paragraph "Political usage" cannot be merged}} without reasoning, I cannot help but retort: "Why ever not?" Just why not? Although I admit I am warming to the option of just redirecting the article to Margaret Thatcher saving the trouble of us merging, I just cannot understand at all why a merge would be impractical. I urge you to re-read my rationale per the precedent with Wellington. You then go on to state that {{tq|This expression exists beyond Thatcher}}. Yup, as does The Iron Duke and a great many other nicknames of which I feel free to state, but as {{u|Mr. Magoo and McBarker}} correctly alludes, ''"if it'' a term ''has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term"'' a topic is ''primary'' for that term. Rather simple and clearly straightforward, I should think. In conclusion, I would like to note {{u|Caeciliusinhorto}}'s very constructive comment. '''If this page gets redirected? We certainly have the option of either (a) merging a proportion of the article's contents to Margaret Thatcher, (b) merging a proportion of the article's contents to Iron Lady (disambiguation) or (c) creating a new Wiktionary entry for wikt:Iron Lady|Iron Lady to make up for this article's deletion.''' I would like to stress again that there is nothing unreasonable about this Afd proposal in terms of  and . In a nutshell, this request aims to be a wise housekeeping measure through removing indiscriminate and superfluous information that is already mostly included at Margaret Thatcher and elsewhere
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Disambiguation (WP:PRIMARYTOPIC||WP:EVERYTHING||WP:WEIGHT||WP:OTHERCONTENT||WP:NOHARM||WP:ADDSVALUE)

Comment: Isn't it time this discussion was '''closed''' per , as it seems clear there is no prospect of consensus for deletion, but it is wasting the time and efforts of several Wikipedians who could be using their time more productively
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Snowball clause (WP:SNOW)

Comment: to Margaret Thatcher as a clear case of . Other entries should be merged to Iron Lady (disambiguation) or pruned. Only keep those where the target article actually mentions a notable attribution of the nickname to the subject. Not all female political leaders are routinely called "iron ladies"; I even suspect that very few are
Stance: merge
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Disambiguation (WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT)

Comment: ping|Srich32977|Antiqueight}} Your arguments have no strict encyclopaedic weight behind whatseover. Read . What's wrong with merging parts of the article relating to her nickname into the Margaret Thatcher and Iron Lady (disambiguation) articles while at the same time creating a Wiktionary entry for Iron Lady to make up for your other arguments relating to the phrase being used to refer to other politicians? The ''fact'' of the matter is that this phrase overwhelmingly refers to Margaret Thatcher. Per  alone, this article is unjustified as a part of this encyclopedia and is much better suited to Wiktionary. Just go and have a look at Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington#The Iron Duke. Yes, there are several known generals and the like known as an "Iron Duke", but the nickname almost exclusively refers to him alone, and hence why The Iron Duke redirects to the Duke and Iron Duke is a disambiguation page in its own right. I previously proposed having Iron Lady redirect to the  page, but this argument had indeed been rejected by most with the argument that the DAB page almost exclusively referenced more to Thatcher than any other female leader. Moreover, https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%22Iron+Lady%22 searching for "Iron Lady" in Google Images shows nothing but Thatcher (albeit with the Meryl Streep portrayal of her). The overbearing background to this Afd proposal is sound, Thatcher is by far the  for the term. But alas, I understand your concerns. Hence why I have proposed the following three options that are infinitely better in my opinion than keeping this article the way it stands today. Note: I personally prefer the third option
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (WP:NOTDICTIONARY||WP:WEIGHT||WP:DAB||WP:PRIMARYTOPIC)