Deletion of Michael Kinney (Kinney Karate)

Comment: I'm relisting this debate to allow for more discussion about the specific sources that have been added to the article. I recommend that editors focus their energies on whether these sources indicate that the subject passes 
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:BIO)

Comment: Both of the Michael Kinney articles (one on him, one on his school) have no citations in the article and are full of vague, unsubstantiated claims (e.g., trained "uncountable number of black belt instructors" and "hundreds of champions").  There are lots of peacock terms and nothing that is reliably sourced that shows he meets .  His rank is insufficient to show notability and working "alongside many of the greatest martial artists" is 
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:MANOTE||WP:NOTINHERITED)

Comment: It looks like the real notability claim of this individual is that he's been a martial arts instructor for a long time and has taught a lot of students.  Those are not sufficient to meet .  Like Papaursa I couldn't find online versions of those old articles and the online coverage I found of him was not significant independent coverage.  It's the lack of any real case for notability, however, that has the biggest influence on my vote
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:MANOTE)

Comment: I agree with renaming the article and that the article has been improved, but I'm still having problems seeing notability.  The claims seem to fall under --that he trained under a notable martial artist and has trained hundreds of champions.  Another problem is verifying sources--finding 40 and 50 year old articles from local papers is a problem.  I searched the Black Belt magazine website and his name wasn't found.  The TKA website doesn't list him as a master or blackbelt, which I found strange if he was the chief instructor for 12 years, nor is his school listed.  I also couldn't find him or his school at the World Tang Soo Do Association website nor was he listed as a member at www.whfsc.com (an additional source he listed).  His school's website did have a blurry photo of an 8th dan and a PhD, both granted by the Eastern USA International Martial Arts Association (whose website says its Hall of Fame has over 15,000 members), but rank alone is not a notability criteria.  I simply don't see verifiable evidence to show he meets the martial arts notability criteria
Stance: comment
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:NOTINHERITED)