Deletion of Miss Grand

Comment: This article was originally created to cover the entire franchise, which is covered in-depth by independent reliable sources (see those cited in the Special:Permalink/996765156|original version), and is notable. Most of these sources are primarily about the flagship Miss Grand Thailand pageant, which appears to be more notable than its international counterpart (see my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Grand Thailand (2nd nomination)). However, other editors have since attempted to hijack the article into covering Miss Grand International instead of properly creating a separate article. The previous AfDs did not see serious attempts at identifying reliable sources, and instead were pile-ons where participants made  arguments based on the articles' perceived fancruft and promotional writing. That said, there has been plenty of English-language coverage of the international pageant, mostly focused on the controversies it's generated (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/miss-iceland-lose-weight-nawat-itsaragrisil-instagram-letter-a7380646.html ''The Independent'', https://www.mic.com/articles/157567/miss-iceland-was-body-shamed-and-told-to-stop-eating-for-a-beauty-pageant-so-she-quit Mic.com, https://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/entertainment/2019/07/15/miss-grand-thailand-2019-ignites-netizen-rage-for-calling-catriona-gray-fat/ Khaosod English, https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/78332011/demanding-miss-grand-international-beauty-queen-is-dethroned Stuff.co.nz). There's also coverage of the pageant's support of a Myanmar contestant's anti-coup protests (https://thediplomat.com/2021/04/miss-grand-myanmar-to-speak-for-her-country-from-thailand/ The Diplomat, https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2021/03/31/i-will-do-everything-i-can-miss-grand-myanmar-seeks-refuge-in-thailand/ Khaosod English, https://elevenmyanmar.com/news/myanmar-beauty-queen-creates-waves-as-anti-coup-plea-goes-viral Eleven Myanmar). While they do not go into in-depth detail about the pageant's operations, they might still constitute enough significant coverage to satisfy the . If this is agreed on and Miss Grand International is deemed notable, '''split''' the article into Miss Grand Thailand (supported by the original sources) and Miss Grand International (supported by more recent ones including my examples). Otherwise, '''purge''' the irrelevant content and '''rename''' to Miss Grand Thailand, so that further hijacking does not occur
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE||WP:GNG)

Comment: Fails  and . The sources above are not about the pageant itself, but about pageant contestants. Most of the articles are about a single controversy surrounding Miss Iceland quitting the pageant weeks before the event even took place over being told to lose weight and the subsequent backlash over social media. This isn't significant coverage of the pageant itself, but a story about fat shaming that is rather trivial and tabloid in quality. It doesn't provide any notability for the pageant, as the actual pageant itself is not even a significant part of the story (as it hadn't happened yet). The other articles are primarily about Han Lay's work as an activist (the reigning Miss Grand Myanmar), and the pageant is only tangentially connected in those stories as she is the primary subject and not the pageant. While her activism may be notable, it doesn't extend to the pageant itself. Notability is not inherited. The only other story is a controversy over a crowned winner being replaced, which is essentially routine tabloid news. So, what kind of sources would be significant coverage? Sources where the pageant as an organization is the main topic. In these sources I would expect to find detailed information like who founded it, an overview of it's history, details of its operations, etc. Those don't seem to exist in any independent sources, so for me this a clearly non-notable. On a side note, I believe a pageant as an organization is held to a higher standard of sourcing per , and this clearly doesn't meet that standard. {{u|HighKing}} am I correct that pageants are evaluated under 
Stance: delete
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:SIGCOV||WP:ORGCRIT||WP:SIRS||WP:ORGCRIT)

Comment: lots of international coverage, clearly meets . And split, as above, there is enough to support both articles now. Besides Miss Iceland, which were mentioned at the last AfD, and the ones Paul_012 points out above, which are hard for me as I can't read Thai, I found these in English, from all over the world, almost all of which only appeared since the last AfD; its coverage has now grown to qualify. To forestall any objections about "they're only writing about their local champion", even if that were a disqualifier, note that in many cases they are clearly not
Stance: keep
Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:GNG)