Deletion of Lawyers in Hell

Comment: Julie", you've made a case why this book might be reviewed in :Locus (magazine)|''Locus'', but you've clearly never read |our standards on why a book would have an article here, since none of your reasoning addresses '''Wikipedia''' standards. Most new books never get articles in Wikipedia, and that's as it should be. (You've clearly also never read |"up and coming next big thing", which addresses your fallacious reasoning ''as it applies to this discussion
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (:WP:NBOOK||:WP:UPANDCOMING)

Comment: Does not meet the | Notability criteria for books
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NBOOKS)

Comment: most of them are in fact not notable and don't get articles. In the case of the Potter book, it had been discussed at great length in |reliable sources for some time before its appearance; heck, even our belovéd :Dave Langford published a '''book''' speculating on what the 7th Potter book would contain! And |this new book doesn't inherit notability merely by containing a stories by notable authors, any more than ''I'' become notable because I've been mentioned in book dedications by Harlan, by Fred Shapiro, and by award-winning author C. J. Cherryh, or because I was in FAPA with SilverBob
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Reliable sources (:WP:RS||:WP:NOTINHERITED)

Comment: This is book 13 of the ''Heroes in Hell'' series that includes works by notable and award-winning authors, including C. J. Cherryh and Robert Silverberg. Regarding the topic of inherited notability,  is a guideline, not policy, and it states "notability of a parent entity or topic ... does not ''always'' imply the notability of the subordinate entities". In other words, in some cases notability ''is'' inherited
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:NOTINHERITED)

Comment: The difference between ''this'' book and Sue Grafton's Alphabet Mysteries are crucial: the Grafton books are all ''New York Times'' best-sellers, many have won the Edgar Award or other top honors in the mystery field, and each of the articles is properly cited with references from reliable third-party sources. For the "Hell" books, where are the '''sources cited''' that "contain sufficient critical commentary" to expand the articles? The "Hell" books, including this one, are mostly '''unreferenced''' stubs and do ''not'' meet the  guidelines. (I'm not going to pointlessly re-argue the notability of the Grafton books here, especially as you have chosen to put the next novel in the series up for AfD, but I will point out that it too was nominated without any apparent  efforts on your part so your complaint about Orange Mike is puzzling at best and hypocritical at worst.) I confess that my deep reserves of good faith are strained by this sequence of events
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NBOOK||WP:BEFORE)

Comment: to Heroes in Hell. There doesn't seem to be enough independent sources to make this topic notable on its own per , and notability is not inheritable. (And I'm curious to see if this AfD cracks the 100k mark - it's 17k short of that as we speak
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NBOOK)

Comment: I have to admit, I've been reading the arguments here with more than a little bit of amusement. Most of the arguments on the DELETE side show virtually no understanding of what is happening today in publishing. For that matter the standard in  shows a bad misunderstanding of where the industry is at today, which does not help, and leads to circuitous, and ridiculous arguments being made. I would suggest checking out Joe Konrath's http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/| The Newbie's Guide to Publishing, or http://www.whodareswinspublishing.com/| Who Dares Wins Publishing which is one of the new publishing companies that is popping up which is taking on the http://mediacareers.about.com/od/thebigsixpublishers/The_Big_Six_Book_Publishers.htm| Big 6 successfully. The problem is that the Big 6 won't exist within five years. In addition to being a Professional Writer I'm also a Futurist, and part of being a Futurist is making predictions. In April I predicted that Brick and Mortar Book Stores would be http://weblit.ca/?q=node/39| dead within two years and if the publishers customers are dead, who will the publishers sell to? Think logically. Because without the book stores, the writers have no reason to work through the publishers. None at all. Amazon pays 70% royalty rates on EBooks in the $2.99 to $10.00 price range. Legacy publishers offer writers only http://amyshojai.com/2011/05/17/tuesday-tips-kindle-ization-2-brass-ring-or-lead-balloon/| 25% royalties on EBooks! A writer would have to be crazy to give up 55% of the royalties for nothing, especially when the services that the publisher offers (editing, cover art, formatting) can be purchased far more cheaply on the open market. That's why Joe Konrath runs ads on his blog which say http://extendedimagery.blogspot.com/| Hire My Cover Artist, http://www.52novels.com/| Hire My Ebook Designer, and http://yourepublished.blogspot.com/| Hire My Print Designer. Joe gets a discount for running those ads, but he's also gotten value out of those people. Joe knows that writing is a business. Joe is in the business to make money, as is any other sensible writer. I got a good laugh out of
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NBOOK)

Comment: not notable, fails 
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Cited policy: Wikipedia:Notability (WP:NBOOK)