Both are fairly faint and extremely large. You may have better luck with IC63. 8 and fainter. It contains about 60 stars, mag. 10.6 and fainter.
Total brightness is mag.
Stars range from mags. It contains about 80 stars, mag. 8.4 and fainter. Several of the brighter stars make pretty pairs. Located in the far north of the constellation, its overall magnitude is 5.7, with individual stars at 8.5 and fainter. About 40 stars in a 36' field.