And that, of course, is the state of the record as it comes to you. But, yes, I do think that a reasonable juror could come to that determination. Let me ask, as to the rule of law and the issue of whether perjury is an impeachable offense, I gather from your testimony, and you would restate here, that in your mind, perjury is an impeachable offense. So the common law of the Congress of the United States suggests that it is, in fact, an impeachable offense, because judges have been removed. The offense is the despoiling and the attack on the integrity of the judicial system.
Witnesses tell the truth.
It doesn't matter what the underlying subject matter is. Once you're in court, under oath, you tell the truth. It's not an impeachable offense. It's been viewed that way by this very body. The gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Watt.