Prager wanted to hug the psychologist. He noted the Oliners, who wrote a book on Altruism and Holocaust rescuers, said there was no relation between rescuing and self esteem. He said he'd studied self-esteem for years but found no relationship with decency. He wished that it did, as it would provide work for his profession. Rather, he found narcissism a component of obnoxious people.
Some people can learn to get pleasure from hurting others.
The shrink took a call about the substitution of psychological categories for moral ones. Instead of calling evil evil, we call it sick. Roy blamed his profession. I get lots of positive responses from my peers. Prof said he does not see EVIL as a property of the protagonist, but rather it is a label applied by victims and bystanders.