One can point to the Fundamentalist's chruches, the need to belong that drives many people to join interest groups, the pressure to conform amongst high school students. I suggested that there were degrees of identification to a group and at the extreme end we could point to Bob Jones and the massacre of over 1,000 people who saw in him a savior, and awful incidert in Waco with Karush and his followers, or the group that committed mass suicide to return to their space ship. Illinois and Iowa with the Amish and the Swedish communitarians point to more benigh and postive model. In the state of nature he begins his account with a picture of equality between the sexes. With the introduction of agriculture, however, men and women suddenly acquire distinct roles dictated by the nature.
Women are sedentary and maternal.
They have no public role in society. By nature they love finery and adornment and are not capable of exercizing the higher mental faculties. Just as with the Bell Curve the message is that nature or IQ never lies and we can do nothing but defer to the inevitable. Both arguments are depressing and poorly supported. We had a lively discussion over these issues.