Failing this evidence, there is no point in having a discussion. Then I could engage the methodology by which the data was collected, or could find superior alternative evidence. Then we would have a debate grounded in social science, not name calling. If this sort of thing happened in politics generally, we might all be better served. I understand family values to mean as many different things as there are families.
Some urban families have different values than some suburban families.
But it means that, as I see it, the left is far less prone to coercion than the right. My point was about responsibility, since Mr. Bates raised it first. The welfare reforms they kicked around would have denied welfare benefits to teenage mothers. I'm not at all sure what Mr. Bates is arguing here. As I was using the term, the poverty line is the eligibility threshold for welfare benefits, as established in the law, and as published in various soruces as a measure of poverty.