Imagine Moses standing before you with a veil on his face, so you could not see one part of his face as he preached to you. And many times some people see that light and others do not. Fleshly people are people who are materialistic-minded. They are very physical-minded people. Fleshly things are not always bad.
Some people think that being carnal means one is evil.
But carnal only means fleshly. Yes, there are some carnal things that are bad. But there are some good carnal things. Marriage, cars, money, jobs, friends are all carnal things. Carnal things are fine if they are in their proper priority.