This is something which is sometimes difficult to have accepted by the people who keep them. I remember one prison director who said his prisoners had no rights, they only had obligations. And of course this is wrong, they do have rights. There is no excuse for torture. Torture is always illegal, it's something which we really have to stress, there's no excuse for torture.
Torture is never justified, first thing.
That's one of the conditions. We have to be able to talk to people in private, find out what their stories are. I tell our doctors, don't just look for physical evidence, because it's a mistake. If you look only for physical evidence you're telling the authorities that if there are no scars visible there hasn't been any torture, and that of course is wrong. So I want people to rely more on what the converging testimonies give us, on the situation and what state these people are in, and then to draw up a document explaining to the government that this is a totally illegal way to interrogate people and they should not exercise torture in any way.