Nowadays that is rare. Column 1421 they will never forget. Over 15 or 20 years, that has had the effect of reducing the incidence of first-time drinking and driving offenders. That is generally the pattern nowadays, and that is to be welcomed. The problem of course arises with people who have a drinking problem.
Most people drive cars nowadays.
I am afraid that people with drinking problems drive cars. It is those people whom one must target, and who will be effectively targeted by the Government's measures. It is those that we welcome. The noble Lord, Lord McIntosh of Haringey, mentioned the problem of people who may not agree to take the training at the court stage. Of course someone who has a drink problem, as with any other person who has an addiction problem, is often in what is termed a state of denial.