A. Well, he thought that perversions were pretty much covered in the range of all our sexual activities, that perversion wasn't a moral category for Freud. He thought that sexuality came in all kinds of flavors and activities, and that there was no moral reason to prefer one to another. Subsequent writers trying to moralize Freud went in different directions. But Freud is crystal clear about this. For him, sexual desire develops from perversion into more constrained forms.
Society prefers the more constrained forms, but there is no good reason to do so.
A. Well, I'll take the second part first. What I learned about our society and culture's feelings about Freud was that they still run deep and can be ignited fairly easily, and that's of interest to me because I do think that Freud has become less relevant to psychiatry with the added . . . So I thought that Freud would be less important than he in fact is in our culture, and going to making the films for this exhibition, just seeing the range of materials from Bugs Bunny, to Popeye, to Hitchcock, to Fueni, to Stellars and Sitcoms. It was just a great pleasure actually to go through all of these films with my students and colleagues and friends, and choosing things for the exhibition, and see the wonderfully creative use that especially American filmmakers and television makers have used Freud for. It's really a great - it was a great pleasure.