So shaping is an art form. Its an art form. Its cold engineering and its beautiful art all at the same time because the curves and everything you're doing is empirical. Like, you can figure out what's going on but until someone rides it and tries it its not real. So you can actually look at a guy like Mark Richard's or Gerry Lopez and see how they ride the board and you can pick up on what they're doing wrong, or shape the board according to . . .
People surf just the way they are.
I can watch a person walk across the room. I know exactly how they surf. How do you feel about contests now and these kids, you know, traveling the world and going first class. Are they spoiled, or . . . Gosh its great.