I can achieve an awful lot more with very little, provided I'm flexible and dynamic. I could argue that you can achieve all that because you're not hamstrung by values like democracy and accountability. Of course, that's true. . . . We're looking at a change in the dynamic. The influence of the nation-state is absolutely declining.
Nobody argues that.
The influence of the market-state, the big global companies, is rising very powerfully. Many of them are more powerful than nations, in fact. . . . So the challenge for the nation-state is to continue to remain relevant. . . . Because the nation-states, as they should in a democracy, slowly evolve. That's a great strength in a democracy.