Reading a poem he wrote, he describes how the whole universe exists because of opposing forces - such as gravity. This is all too alien to contemporary thought. Kushner saw how this was applicable to the Holocaust. Tension results when you either see how some good came of it, or that such atrocities could come from God. Because of such tragedies, Kushner said he felt that in the history of socialism, literature is by the idea of revolution, where theory ceases to become just an idea but reality.
Socialism requires sacrifice, which is the antithesis of an individual's cult of individualism.
Continuing, he mentioned the works of Brecht and Wallace Shawn, describing how poems or plays can suspend the tyranny in everyday life. But in the real world, revolution is bloody. In contrast, capitalism is less scary, said Kushner. Kushner described how progress has led to tons of carnage being accumulated in a pile of debris. Now trust has become a lame sitting duck.