We have to let ourselves be astounded by facts that any sane person would take for granted. I mean that quite literally, and in fact we've been exhibiting that just in our discussion. We've got this stuff in our brains, it's conscious. Now that's the childlike question that you have to ask. I've got this hole in my face, noise comes out.
People find it meaningful.
They think it's true or false or interesting. Then you have, at some point, to become incredibly sophisticated. And I've never figured out the algorithm for when you stop being dumb and start being smart. Then later on, then you bring in your intellectual apparatus and get it resolved. But also you have to immerse yourself in the studies, for example, in the case of what's going on in the mind that science is discovering.