I'm not being judgmental. But from what I understand about it, they aren't living a normal Christian life. These are supposed to be leaders. And they're dying in the churches. Many clergymen are more interested in developing programs.
Programs are nice.
You've got to have some programs here and there, but a lot of people and a lot of churches hide behind their programs. They've got a program for this, that, and the other thing. Jesus didn't have any programs. And yet churches are loaded with programs. Because that's normal Christian life.