As time went on, we formed a number of different bands. We played in rival, neighborhood bands. We learned more songs and we learned how to play Chuck Berry music and we learned Ventures songs. Then after the MC5 started, we would define ourselves as being the guitarists. I was the lead guitarist and he was the rhythm guitarist.
Nobody's a rhythm guitar player anymore.
Everybody's the lead player. Fred really took pride in it. That was his role and my role was to play the solos. But he took great pride in his technique as a rhythm guitarist. He followed in the school of Chuck Berry rhythm guitar playing, of Brian Jones rhythm guitar playing, of John Lennon rhythm guitar playing and that's how it all started.