A month to 6 months. Every 2 or 3 months. The salesmen are a good external party to include in these meetings, to get feedback about what would make PathMaster better, what our customers are complaining about, and what our customers think of proposed improvements. We don't have that separation, but we gather a large number of opinions at the beginning, when ideas are forming. We're training internally quite a bit.
People talk about what they know, sharing expertise.
Before we got busy last fall, we would hold 2 to 4 training sessions a week, which also helped to educate our sales force. And Interop is a hands-on conference, and you get the most out of it by having people work on the network there. I've been doing it for years, and it's useful for getting our engineers to see a real network because we can't afford to buy one, one that mimics those of our Fortune 500 customers. So far, it's been a survey mission. We've talked to people and gotten ideas about what it means to troubleshoot an ATM network.