And we do talk about that because it's important. This is a part of our obligation and responsibility in this new world because if genocide is happening that matters to America. It matters to us and if it stops mattering then we're not the same country we used to be. I would be terribly happy with. The fact that we've not made any serious efforts at conflict prevention, the fact that when we've intervened we've often done it in the dumbest possible way, clouds the debate.
Principles are interests and principles are power.
But this is a matter for serious debate. As part of the presidential campaign, we ought to hear from these people and not just in the slogans. I am perfectly crazy to want to have a serious debate. But here I am, here you are, and we've taken this for 10 more years. It's all a joke at that point.