Again it has been, I think, indicated by the court, that could very well be a matter which is not for adjudication by the court but is actually for adjudication by the Minister. It's the Minister's conditions and it's appropriate that the Minister ensure that the appropriate balance is put on those particular conditions. But it is all, in these things, a matter of degree. I mean, can I say what the biggest single problem I have is, of people who supposedly concern themselves about the environment. And that is, we have major environmental problems, principally in our agricultural regions, where whole biota are being wiped out, where there is nothing left of what was originally there of the biodiversity.
Nobody seems to worry about that.
We have research which shows that the forests which have regenerated, and a large amount of our forest is regenerated, have a very similar biodiversity to that which has never been touched. Foresters have been the ones who prevented these trees from being knocked down by agriculture. Everything is done on ten-hectare amounts. But what we have done on these is agree that they will not be clear-felled. Clear-felling is a very emotional word.