So we have that social current going for us, that people are seeing that we can't just get away with threats all the time, we have to do more n egotiation. I mentioned at the very beginning of our conversation that when women became mobilized, realizing the danger to their babies in 1960-61, that they linked with scientists, and that was the beginning of a process. There are no women on the National Security Council, but the time will come that there will be, because more women, not in great droves, but more women are moving into that. And women are taking a lot of leadership, not just in the women's peace movement, but in the church peace movements and these occupational and special-interest peace movements, because they have claimed the public space. And as scholars and as policy analysts they bring the ability to always go back and forth between systems analysis and individuals.
Numbers mean people, and that's something that women seem to be able to remember better than men.
It isn't that men aren't capable of having that perception. Thank God that some of them do. But women are more apt to continually make that translation back and forth. And therefore, when women scholars work on these systems, they are more apt to ground it in the human condition and what will make the human condition better. Professor Boulding, thank you very much for joining us today for this fascinating conversation on the work of peace.