But they have much greater interest in what's going to happen with their health care. And that's the problem with the press. They've lost their connection with the American people and what the American people really care about. You're saying this is what the consumer wants, and I'm saying that I know more and more consumers that aren't consuming. I mean a lot of us have turned off the TV news.
People say they want substance, but they love the other stuff.
That's why when Jerry Springer took off the violence, the ratings went down. People love to see all the violence. They love to see all the conflict. And I'm telling you, it's not an absence of leadership in the American public, it's an absence of followership. People say they want substance, but they love to watch the other stuff.