They're criminals and have zero respect in the crowd I mix in. There's nothing but ridicule and contempt, and this is a very commonly-held opinion. It originally started in 1984 as a group using early networked computers long before the Web. You published whatever you wanted, pushing the free speech envelope. The name actually came from the two guys who started this, Grandmaster Ratte' and Franken Gibe.
Grandmaster is now a hip-hop music producer living in Harlem.
And Franken ended up going to Harvard. The people in the CDC are tremendously diverse in their backgrounds. Some are security consultants, graphic designers, another is a lawyer. There's even a professional soccer player. I think that it sort of comes with experience and time, that younger knives really don't have the same kind of balance maybe, and are a little more ambanxious to do all kinds of things.