I make certain generalizations, and he says there are exceptions. I admit that, and he accuses me of weaseling. Then he should know that there are very large differences among them. As I said. But I think most of them advocate most of the positions that I indicated.
Relativism is in fact a highly modernist position.
Yeah, and Rorty has denied that he is a relativist or that relativism is a coherent position. But he also accepts the doctrine that I understand to be relativist that there is no nonarbitrary way of choosing between different basic conceptions of the world or justice. That's realtivism as I understand it. These 2 apply only in the sense that learning how to critique these things helped a lot of different people see deeper problems. But this is just a first babystep.