He holds his empire in his hands. And it's been enormously fortunate in the sense that so often people in politics . . . There isn't any letdown, there's a nasty bump at the bottom. They can't stand each other. Never have been able to since they fell out over the Westland affair.
Few people can remember, or care about, the details of the European v American helicopter row.
But Heseltine does. I ask him why he found it so much easier to work with Major. Well John Major was erm erm, erm, a reasonable and decent fellow. His brain seems to be fighting an internal battle. Why I hesitated was that I don't accept, it just isn't true that I didn't find it possible to work with Mrs Thatcher.