I think it may be doubly true if it has a bit of a stigma attached to it. However, I think it's very serious and something I think we should take note of that often men who have serious untreated depression or depression that's not responding to treatment will take their own lives, will end in suicide, which is the end result of a depression. The person actually thinks that the world would be better off without them. It's a major trick your mind plays on you, and men are more likely to commit suicide. They care, they're trying.
Guidance counselors have waiting lists.
They're doing everything they can. But that is not the real goal of the Conference. Number one is educational, to de-stigmatize. As I have talked to groups around the country and have listened to people that's what they have told me. That's the number one thing they feel that can help people where mental illness and mental health issues are concerned.