And we heard from some huge organizations numbers like four. Obviously they were thinking of the web developers and the Internet programmers, whereas when you kind of go and ask, so how many people in your finance area, in your accounting area, in your marketing are devoting their time to Internet part of your business, you see there is a new realization and new recognition that, gee, I mean, a lot more people in my organization are actually involved in this. And this gets back to a point that Secretary Reich actually made some four years ago, pointing to a potential shortage of high-tech workers in the US economy. And that has deep implications in terms of how we want this new economy to grow even faster. In fact, that's a great point, Ray.
Failure is something that is actually valued in the Internet economy.
In fact, there is a glut of venture capital out there. I'm here in Chicago for a venture capital conference today, in fact. And that glut of venture capital has created a lot of dot bombs. And that means there's a lot of displacement of workers. People are being displaced from jobs in but months on the job because the company ran out of money.