The arts are focused around that. There's a hierarchy of levels. Everything's very bland, but underneath is all this richness. It's like a flat landscape when you look at it, but when you peel it away there's all this richness and complexity of layers, which I like in my work. I went to Indonesia to study the elaborateness.
Japan is simplicity.
Indonesia is the fullness of the ornate. By the second year I had a place where I was living and a studio. I started to make sculptures. I have a lot of them at home that haven't yet been made into pieces. They were created back then, completely out of batik and native materials.