It's an astonishing book. He said democracy inevitably leads to Marxism. Any nation that loses confidence in democracy will be seduced. That's the thing that makes me worry about the fall in turnout in America. He mentions the Nuremberg rallies.
Heath remains silent.
As an Oxford student of modest origins and progressive instincts, he took himself off to Germany to inspect Hitler at close quarters. The conversation moves on. But we come back to it via what both the old warriors agree is a disturbing tendency towards global interventionism by the US, with Britain tagging along in its wake. There was a parliamentary commission which went out to China and produced a report which was really incredible. It was a report of a colonial power telling its colony what it's got to do.