It's the magic pill that will solve all of our urban problems. But the reality is, and what we've seen and this is what we're trying to bring out, is that we don't have to design every building. We have to just get the framework going and set the course in action so that the buildings can come up on their own. It's a question of allowing opportunities for social interaction versus programming social interaction. In fact, on the East End Project, that was one of the responses I kept getting.
Hot dog stands.
It's no better than a shopping mall if it has to be programmed in order to be successful. And I think we've lost sight of that in this city and certainly not only in Sacramento. Running across someone you know on the street corner who happens to be with somebody you don't know but have been wanting to meet for a year and engaging in a conversation or running across the greatest restaurant you never thought was there, that just popped up somewhere. Those fortuitous experiences are what make living in a city wonderful. That stuff doesn't happen if people are coming and going the way that we're concerned about this East End Project.