We must learn to work to a time scale of more than three years. I could not agree more with the right hon. More thinking must be done. In the meantime, we and the other donor countries must offer longer programmes that are better organised and designed. When faced with Governments whom we cannot trust, we must implement such programmes as far as we can.
Flexibility is essential.
In Cambodia and Vietnam, the Committee encountered DFID people who said that they had worked on projects for 10 years, but that now they were being told that projects were out and that SWAPs were in. The officials said that the Department in Victoria street did not want to hear anything about projects. However, the officials considered that projects represented the best way to address poverty, as they could be set in train before people were in a position to implement SWAPs. I hope that the Department is not going overboard in its enthusiasm for SWAPs as a method of getting a poverty focus into all our programmes.