The ideologist's arguments are not rooted in reality because he has overlaid it with a Second Reality. The difficulties of debate concern the fundamentals of existence. Even though debate with ideologists is possible in the natural sciences, it does not follow that it is possible in areas that are more central to the person. The Second Realities are fairly recent, growing since about 1500 to social and political dominance today. It is helpful to examine the period when the first reality of existence was unquestioned, as in St. Thomas' Summa Contra Gentiles .
Debate is an essential element of existence.
It is a social enterprise. The terminology has been updated from that used by Aquinas and Artistotle, but the problem is the same. Remove the cosmological symbolisms. What remains is the argument that intelligent beings cannot originate from a first cause that is not intelligent. Properly locate the prime mover by making explicit the experiences which created the symbols of a divine being.