My own material, I tend to do most of my outlining in my head, and just jot a few notes. Fred is much more meticulous. But I like working with an outline like that. The more recent book, Black Throne , was his idea. For The Black Throne , first he got me to read all of Poe, and the critical biographies and so forth, so I was pretty well immersed in the material.
Collaborations are fun.
I learn a lot. I like seeing how other writers operate. That first book with Fred. I was really surprised that his approach to writing a book was what it was. I learned a lot about outlining from him.