That is a matter of opinion, it depends on the courage, the bravery of the people. That was his opinion. It is a matter of morale. Q. Well, on the 14th of May, the Fuehrer was pressing you to take action against the crews after the vessels were sunk. He asked whether we couldn't take action against the crew, and I have already said, after I heard of the Oshima discussion here, that I believe this question to Grand Admiral Raeder and myself was the result of that Oshima discussion.
Every nation does that.
Q. Yes, but the object of your weapon, as quite clearly set out, was that the crew would not be able to rescue themselves on account of the quick sinking of the ship. That is why you wanted to use the range pistol. And also of course, because we considered the crews of the steamers as combatants, since they were fighting with weapons. Q. Well, I am not going back to deal with that point again, but that was in your mind. I have not got it.