And it's an area where we have a particularly substantial amount of expertise in the United Kingdom because of the breadth of our colonial past. The Oxford Forestry Institute used to be called the Imperial Forestry Institute until a few years ago. That's now been painted over above the door. So that was the background. We had started to look for individual areas where we needed to do more as an aid donor without overlooking the fact that in most developing countries it's poverty itself which is the most toxic element in the environment, rather than, as is the case in the North, an unthinking affluence and industrialization.
Industrialization has an impact in the South of the globe as well, but poverty is the main problem.
What we want is economic growth which is sustainable. I believe that in order to bring developing countries along with us in the richer part of the world, it's not adequate or appropriate to hector them or lecture them or bully them. We have to have a relationship which is based on equality of respect, and we have to bring developing countries along with us. Now that brings us to the particular case of Brazil. A lot of concern has been expressed about the destruction of the Amazonian rain forest, and that concern is wholly understandable.