This interview was conducted by Patrick M. Callan, Executive Director of the California Higher Education Policy Center. There was a lot of hoopla and a lot of excitement about it, a lot of enthusiasm about California. Then, of course, the other seminal date was '78 when Proposition 13 was passed. And I'm looking at the intersection of demographic changes, political changes, the initiatives that have been passed, and the levels of public service and the public service ethos. And the attitude that developed was that the most immediate beneficiaries ought to be paying a larger share of the cost of the service.
Higher education is obviously a major case in point.
That's exactly right. One of the things I ran across was this wonderful conversation that Pat Brown had with Fred Dutton, who had been his campaign manager. This was 1959 or 1960, fairly early in the Brown administration. Obviously that's gone now. It's gone throughout the system.