Kamal responded that this is the way that SID is working now, and it seems fairly successful. Wolfgang said that this is the process that we had, in fact, been doing and that we have moved past this. John said that we did not do this with clear goals. Wolfgang said that this may be true for the study group, but is not true for the two groups with proposals. Wolfram said that it is difficult to ask designers for their conceptual wishes.
Designers tend to prefer the concrete.
If a modeler is not familiar with object orientation, then we cannot expect him to give us good requests. John took this further, asking if we know better than the designer what they need. Peter said this may be true, trying to avoid arrogance. Dave warned against acrimony in discussions about competing proposals, and everyone in general agreed. John asked about a sanitized version of the results of the designer survey, and Wolfgang took this as an action item.