I could never even get away for lunch. I just felt like I had to tend to business. How do you wind up getting plugged into all these different business deals. I've been here for 68 years. I know a lot of people.
Banks also can be great sources of information.
I never wanted to be in politics. I like people too much. There's been a lot of luck. And I think that helps. For example, I still meet once a month with a group that I've known since we went to El Paso High School together.