The intermediate surfers, the long borders, women are now getting into it more and more which is a great thing. When I came back here, girls in the line up where still getting vibed. We're not all Kelly Slater's. We try and make a board that will help their surfing you know step 'em up a little. It could be the ugliest thing to me and someone will like it.
Boards are individuals.
Shaping is easy compared to the glassing. It's so under cost. It should be so much more. It's all labor. These guys don't make that.