They start talking about Vulcan. All true enough. I am an astrologer. It's my job to be empathic. There are a lot of asteroids and Pluto does suck.
Denial takes many forms.
For example, I still hear people say that the outer planets are impersonal and generational and that you can't feel their effect on an individual level. Actual astrologers still say this. Tell it to someone with Uranus rising, or someone experiencing Pluto square Saturn. Half the people experiencing Pluto square Saturn haven't gotten out of bed this morning. Their heads are still under the covers.