I have taken the liberty of commenting upon your comments below. They are well marked out, as before. I pushed you, you responded, Carl was surprised by your reply. They would never tell you anything they felt you couldn't handle, or had no right to know. Collectivists do not trust the people to know the truth and make decisions themselves.
Collectivists are by definition manipulators.
You are somewhat right in the above regard. However, most of the disagreement is ideological. I have observed Vanderboegh for some time now. I see how he acts with others not as excellent with words as I am, and frankly, I have been waiting for a justification to act with my take upon Vanderboegh. Martin, you and I share several acquaintances, a couple of informants, and one friend.