So in a way he's suggesting that the price to be paid for this voyeurism is that we can no longer think of ourselves as pure. Well, everybody has their own point of view, and that's Pauline's point of view. So she's very welcome to her point of view. I mean as an artist, I mean he was a primitive or intuitive artist, Hitchcock, in that , you know, he did set out to entertain. You know, as soon as a work becomes very self-conscious, it creases to be art.
Art is very unselfconscious.
And he was a very, what we call a primitive or intuitive artist. Tell us a few of them. Well, the Catholicism, well, let's go back even further. He was very much into that. And then of course studying the Germans, the German expressionistic school of filmmaking that taught him the use of space, and then the Russian constructivists afterwards that taught him how to use time.