Document ID: EPA-HQ-OAR-2002-0085-0426
Agency: epa
Document Type: Supporting & Related Material
Title: 
Posted Date: 2023-08-16T04:00Z

From: 
Jones, DonnaLee <Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov>
Sent:
Monday, August 29, 2016 4:15 PM
To: 
Robert Doran <rdoran@cleanair.com>
Cc:
Raymond, Gabrielle <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: 
RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing = Ok to go with 4 ports by 3 test points

Ok. We got a `go" from testers. You are actually following the protocol for horizontal stacks and 12 traverse points.

_____________________________________________________________
Regards,
Donna Lee Jones, Ph.D.
Senior Technical Advisor, Metals Sector
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards
Sector Policies and Programs Division / Metals & Inorganic Chemicals Group (D 243-02)
Research Triangle Park, NC  27711  Tele:  (919)  541-5251  Fax  (919)  541-3207
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"Reasonableness never fails to be appreciated."  - anon.

From: Robert Doran [mailto:rdoran@cleanair.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 4:06 PM
To: Jones, DonnaLee <Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov>
Cc: GABRIELLE RAYMOND <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing = clarification needed

I have seen other quench towers that are square or rectangular such as this.  This tower is a rectangular tower approximately 50 feet long by 18 feet wide.  The top of the tower exhaust is 80-85 feet above grade.
 
Rob

 
From: Jones, DonnaLee [mailto:Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:49 PM
To: Robert Doran <rdoran@cleanair.com>
Cc: GABRIELLE RAYMOND <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing = clarification needed
 
In your experience, is this configuration used by any other coke facilities? All the ones I've seen have reverse dimensions and are true "towers".
 
_____________________________________________________________
Regards,
Donna Lee Jones, Ph.D.
Senior Technical Advisor, Metals Sector
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards
Sector Policies and Programs Division / Metals & Inorganic Chemicals Group (D 243-02)
Research Triangle Park, NC  27711  Tele:  (919)  541-5251  Fax  (919)  541-3207
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"Reasonableness never fails to be appreciated."  - anon.

 
From: Robert Doran [mailto:rdoran@cleanair.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:42 PM
To: Jones, DonnaLee <Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov>
Cc: GABRIELLE RAYMOND <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing = clarification needed
 
50 feet is the length (or width).  The view is from the sky looking down on the exhaust of the tower.  The four ports would be at the same height (in the same plane) above the last baffle.
 
Rob

 
From: Jones, DonnaLee [mailto:Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:38 PM
To: Robert Doran <rdoran@cleanair.com>
Cc: GABRIELLE RAYMOND <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing = clarification needed
 
Is 50 feet the height? Im not sure if we would want all four ports tested since we are asking for testing to be done near the top baffle. Is port #4 the top port? 
_____________________________________________________________
Regards,
Donna Lee Jones, Ph.D.
Senior Technical Advisor, Metals Sector
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards
Sector Policies and Programs Division / Metals & Inorganic Chemicals Group (D 243-02)
Research Triangle Park, NC  27711  Tele:  (919)  541-5251  Fax  (919)  541-3207
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"Reasonableness never fails to be appreciated."  - anon.
 

From: Robert Doran <rdoran@cleanair.com> 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:24 PM
To: Jones, DonnaLee <Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov>
Cc: Raymond, Gabrielle <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing

I can wait.  Thank you for your help.
 
Rob

 
From: Jones, DonnaLee [mailto:Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:23 PM
To: Robert Doran <rdoran@cleanair.com>
Cc: GABRIELLE RAYMOND <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing
 
Thanks for the diagram. You definitely don't need to go more than half way, but Im not surer if four ports is helpful or not. Can you wait until Thursday to find out? Our testing expert is out until then.
 
_____________________________________________________________
Regards,
Donna Lee Jones, Ph.D.
Senior Technical Advisor, Metals Sector
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards
Sector Policies and Programs Division / Metals & Inorganic Chemicals Group (D 243-02)
Research Triangle Park, NC  27711  Tele:  (919)  541-5251  Fax  (919)  541-3207
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"Reasonableness never fails to be appreciated."  - anon.

From: Robert Doran [mailto:rdoran@cleanair.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:13 PM
To: Jones, DonnaLee <Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov>
Cc: GABRIELLE RAYMOND <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing
 
Dr. Jones,
 
There are no ports at present.  There will be four ports available on one side of the rectangular duct.
 
My question is that the because the facilities duct is 18 feet deep and due to safety considerations, testing logistics of having to handle 20 foot probe lengths vs. 10 foot probe lengths and not being able to be on the platform for long periods of time due to the regular quench cycle and dangers of being exposed to coke steam, time constraints and cost of building a stack platform we are requesting to test half-way across the duct (9 feet across).
 
We would test all 4 ports and 3 points per port for a total of 12 points traversed half-way across the 18 span (9 feet across).
 
I have enclosed a PDF picture of our proposed test matrix.
 
Best Regards,
Robert Doran     Business Leader, Pittsburgh Source Testing
CleanAir Engineering, Inc.
110 Technology Drive  |  Pittsburgh, PA 15275
O: +1.724.227.0118  | M: +1.412.897.6589  | F: +1.412.787.9138  |  cleanair.com
"Nobody Gets Hurt"

<< CleanAirEngineering Duct Diagram.pdf  >>

 
From: Jones, DonnaLee [mailto:Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:24 PM
To: Robert Doran <rdoran@cleanair.com>
Cc: GABRIELLE RAYMOND <graymond@rti.org>
Subject: RE: Coke Ovens ICR Testing
 
I could only see one question below. Let me know if you have another. We have approved the use of one port if and only if there are not two ports already available. 
 
_____________________________________________________________
Regards,
Donna Lee Jones, Ph.D.
Senior Technical Advisor, Metals Sector
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards
Sector Policies and Programs Division / Metals & Inorganic Chemicals Group (D 243-02)
Research Triangle Park, NC  27711  Tele:  (919)  541-5251  Fax  (919)  541-3207
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"Reasonableness never fails to be appreciated."  - anon.

 
From: Robert Doran [mailto:rdoran@cleanair.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To: Jones, DonnaLee <Jones.Donnalee@epa.gov>
Subject: Coke Ovens ICR Testing
 
Dr. Donna Lee Jones,
 
Hello.  I hope this email finds you well.  I have a couple questions regarding the Coke Oven ICR.
 
We expect to be testing a quench tower at one of the Coke facilities requiring to do so for the Coke Oven ICR.  The quench tower has a dimension of approximately 50 feet x 18 feet.  There currently does not exist any test ports or a test platform.  A platform 10 feet wide x 50 feet long and 4 ports are being planned across the 50 foot length to allow traverse sampling across the 18 foot span.
 
Because of these large spans and the difficulty in using test probes with glass or quartz liners over 10 feet in effective length we would like to propose testing half way across the 18 foot span using 10 foot effective test probes allowing us to use glass liners as many of the test methods require.  We would still attempt to test at 12 sampling points up to the half way point of the 18 foot span.
 
Testing from both sides of the quench tower to cover the 18 foot span would require the facility to build 2 platforms instead of one.  The platforms would not be connected and would unnecessarily extend the amount of time to perform the test as well as make test extremely more difficult to complete as the test probes, sampling trains would  have to be completely disassembled, lower to ground level, raised up to the second platform and reassemble to complete the second half of the test.  This all while working with fragile laboratory glassware and trying to accomplish the tasks between quench cycles.
 
Would we get approval to test half of the quench span?
 
Best Regards,
Robert Doran     Business Leader, Pittsburgh Source Testing
CleanAir Engineering, Inc.
110 Technology Drive  |  Pittsburgh, PA 15275
O: +1.724.227.0118  | M: +1.412.897.6589  | F: +1.412.787.9138  |  cleanair.com
"Nobody Gets Hurt"