Document ID: EPA-HQ-RCRA-2008-0332-0005
Agency: epa
Document Type: Supporting & Related Material
Title: 
Posted Date: 2011-06-13T04:00Z

Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US 

02/13/2008 02:18 PM	

To

Jim Berlow/DC/USEPA/US@EPA, Peter Grevatt/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

cc

Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US@EPA, Steve Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA

Subject

Fw: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

Jim, 

Please see below for information about manufacturing the standard.

Shen-yi Yang

Chemist

US EPA Office Of Solid Waste 

Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

Washington, DC 20460

Phone: (703) 308-0437

Fax: (703) 308-0509

email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

Expressed Mail:

2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard), 

5307P

Arlington, VA 22202

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Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US

02/11/2008 09:41 AM	

To

Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

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Joseph Ferrario/GMPO/USEPA/US@EPA, Steve Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA

Subject

   Re: Fw: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate(4)

Shen-yi-

Anka Gelbin (spelling probably butchered) who is the head of
Accustandard's custom synthesis group contacted me today regarding a
message I left asking if they were willing to make this standard
available.  She said it would probably be a four figure (some multiple
of $10,000) project.  I would think that the companies ordering the
standard who would have to pay for it, but she said they might need
money to get the project off the ground.  Her phone # is 203.786.5290 ex
108.  I don't know how the standard manufacturers decide what should and
shouldn't be in a given standard mix, if they're in contact with someone
in EPA.  At any rate, it sounds like they'd be willing to make this
compound as a standard if we give them 4-6 weeks lead time and money.

Troy J Strock, chemist

US Environmental Protection Agency

Chicago Regional Lab

536 S. Clark St 10th Floor

Chicago IL 60605

office phone # 312.353.8362

fax # 312.886.2591

Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US

02/04/2008 02:47 PM	

To

Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US@EPA

cc

Joseph Ferrario/GMPO/USEPA/US@EPA, Steve Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA

Subject

Re: Fw: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate(5)

Many thanks.

Shen-yi Yang

Chemist

US EPA Office Of Solid Waste 

Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

Washington, DC 20460

Phone: (703) 308-0437

Fax: (703) 308-0509

email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

Expressed Mail:

2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard), 

5307P

Arlington, VA 22202

Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US 

02/04/2008 02:07 PM	

To

Joseph Ferrario/GMPO/USEPA/US@EPA

cc

Steve Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA, Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

Subject

Fw: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

Joe-

Hope you're doing fine on this fat tuesday eve.  OSW is looking for a
standards manufacturer to supply this carbamate pesticide as an
analytical standard.  Do you have an idea of where they might be able to
obtain it?  If not, do you have a standards supplier whose service you
would recommend for them to get a custom synthesis quotation from? The
commercial lab person who did some of the leg work to try to get a
standard of this compound already was told by Ultra, Chem Service, SPEX
Certiprep, O2SI, and Crescent Chemical that they wouldn't provide it as
a custom synthesis (details in the e-mail thread below).  I sent an
e-mail to Michele Schantz at NIST too to see if she could provide any
leads.

Troy J Strock, chemist

US Environmental Protection Agency

Chicago Regional Lab

536 S. Clark St 10th Floor

Chicago IL 60605

office phone # 312.353.8362

fax # 312.886.2591

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Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US 

02/04/2008 10:31 AM	

To

Steve Reimer/R10/USEPA/US@EPA, Troy Strock/R5/USEPA/US@EPA

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Subject

Fw: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

 

Hi Steve and Troy:

Please see below for the email exchanges.  Is there other alternative? 
Thanks.

Shen-yi Yang

Chemist

US EPA Office Of Solid Waste 

Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

Washington, DC 20460

Phone: (703) 308-0437

Fax: (703) 308-0509

email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

Expressed Mail:

2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard), 

5307P

Arlington, VA 22202

----- Forwarded by Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US on 02/04/2008 11:23 AM -----

Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com 

02/04/2008 09:21 AM	

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Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

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Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com

Subject

Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

Shen-Yi,

Please see the following message thread regarding the analytical
standard we are looking for.  It seems that suppliers are unable to
provide a custom standard due to lack of raw material.  Do you have
other thoughts on how we can obtain data?

Thank you for your assistance!

Nancy Paddock

Environmental Engineering Specialist

Veolia ES Technical Solutions

618.271.2804 ext. 115

----- Forwarded by Nancy Paddock/OES/ONYX on 02/04/2008 09:20 AM -----

                                                                        
                                                              

"Renee Patterson"                                                       
                                     

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                              Subject:  Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate   
                                             

               02/01/2008 10:04 AM                                      
                                                         

                                                                        
                                                           

                                                                        
                                                            

                                                                        
                                                          

Nancy,

I apologize for the delay in getting back to you.  Our LC supervisor
made additional inquiries about obtaining a custom standard for
m-cumenyl methylcarbamate.  Please see her reply which follows.

Renée

Hi Renee,

I called Donna at Ultra, as your 1-29-08 email indicated for

m-cumenyl-methylcarbamate.  They can not supply the standard as a
custom. See email below. I also called Chem Service, SPEX Certiprep,
O2SI and Crescent Chemical and none of them can supply a custom for
m-cumenyl methylcarbamate.

Sharon Dehmlow, LC Supervisor

4203 W. Swift

Fresno, CA 93722

ph 559-275-2175

----- Original Message -----

From: "Avery Dickinson" <ultra@ultrasci.com>

To: <sdehmlow@applinc.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:54 PM

Subject: Custom request

 Dear Sharon:

 Thank you for you request for a custom quotation.  Unfortunately, we

 cannot find a source for the raw material you requested.  Thanks for
thinking of ULTRA Scientific for your standards needs.

 ULTRA Custom Quotations Dept.

----- Original Message -----

From: <Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com>

To: <rpatterson@applinc.com>

Cc: <Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com>

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:44 AM

Subject: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

 Dear Renee,

   I have been in contact w/ USEPA over the past several months
regarding the unavailability of m-cumenyl methylcarbamate as an
analytical standard.

 

   Please see the following e-mail which gives details on purchasing a

custom made standard from ULTRA.  Will you please contact ULTRA
Scientific regarding this custom order and provide a quote for me which
details the additional cost of this individual compound being analyzed
as part of our usual panel of compounds?

  The ARF for our most recent sample set is 55057 and the APPL ID is

AX71710. If you need additional information to help identify the data
package we receive from APPL, feel free to call.

 Thank you in advance for your assistance.

 Nancy Paddock

 Environmental Engineering Specialist

 Veolia ES Technical Solutions

 618.271.2804 ext. 115

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 Yang.Shen-Yi@epamail

  .epa.gov              To: Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com

                       cc:Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com,   
Berlow.Jim@epamail.epa.gov,

                     01/15/2008 02:04 PM        
Berlow.Jim@epamail.epa.gov

, Young.Jan@epamail.epa.gov

                      Subject:  Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

 Dear Ms. Paddock:

 Thanks for your inquiry.

 As we discussed via phone on January 10, I agree with you that the

 compound Mr. Barry Lesnik suggested, promecarb (C12H17NO2, RCRA waste

 code P201, molecular weight 207.2718) has a different molecular formula
and molecular structure than the reference standard you are searching
for, m-cumenyl methylcarbamate (CAS Number: 64-00-6, RCRA waste code
P202, C11H15NO2, molecular weight 193.245).  Even though Promecarb is a
very similar carbamate in chemical structure, but it would be an
inappropriate standard for the quantitation of m-cumenyl

methylcarbamate.

 I did check with a number of large chemical standard suppliers and it

 appears at one point this was a commonly stocked standard.  However, I

 suspect that the demand has dwindled to the point that it is no longer

 feasible for them to keep it as part of their common catalog standards

 All of the suppliers I checked do have the ability to prepare custom

 standards, and this would probably be the best option for m-cumenyl

 methylcarbamate.  Here are the links to the suppliers I checked:

 http://www.o2si.com/

 http://www.alfa.com/alf/index.htm

 http://www.accustandard.com/

 http://www.isotope.com/cil/products/index.cfm

 http://www.rt-corp.com/default.aspx

 http://www.eraqc.com/

 Also, m-cumenyl methylcarbamate is a RCRA target analyte listed in

 Method 8318 and many of the standard suppliers do offer calibration

 mixes for Method 8318, however, m-cumenyl methylcarbamate is not

 included.  This is further indication that the monitoring demand and

 analysis for this compound has decreased such that it is no longer

 routinely analyzed.

 To place a custom standard order for m-cumenyl methylcarbamate, you may
contact Ms. Donna Theroux of Customer Service of ULTRA Scientific at
1-800-338-1754 ext. 520 or 1-401-294-7670 Fax, or csr@ultrasci.com.

 Hope this helps you to located the standard.

 Shen-yi Yang

 Chemist

 US EPA Office Of Solid Waste

 Economics, Methods, and Risk Analysis Division

 1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW (5307P)

 Washington, DC 20460

 Phone: (703) 308-0437

 Fax: (703) 308-0509

 email: yang.shen-yi@epa.gov

 Expressed Mail:

 2733 Crystal Dr. (Two Potomac Yard),

 5307P

 Arlington, VA 22202

 Jan Young/DC/USEPA/US

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                                      Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com

  12/20/2007 01:56 PM                                       cc

                                    Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com,

                                      Shen-Yi Yang/DC/USEPA/US@EPA,

                                      Peter Grevatt/DC/USEPA/US@EPA,

                                      Jim Berlow/DC/USEPA/US@EPA        
                                                       Subject

                                      Re: m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

                                      (Document link: Shen-Yi Yang

		

 Thank you for your email, Nancy.

 As I explained in our conversation, Shen-yi may be able to help with
general pointers or insights regarding standard development working with
 NIST, and perhaps suggestions in addition to what Barry has already
provided.  Also she can then better advise the division director and me
concerning the scope of this issue and any options there may be for
moving forward.  FYI, the suggestion you made to Barry of documenting
for your compliance files that procarbemar would be an equivalent
standard is not necessarily a straightforward or quick thing to
accomplish; as I explained Shen-yi currently has numerous competing

demands on her time due to Barry's retirement.

(I will also forward to Shen-yi the information that Barry left you on

 your voice mail.)

 Most of us will also be out until Jan. 2 or 3, so we can resume

 discussion at that time.

 Best wishes for a happy holiday.

  Jan Young, Associate Director

 Economics, Methods and Risk Analysis Division

 U.S. EPA Office of Solid Waste

 1200 PA Ave., NW

 Mail Code 5307-P

 Washington, DC 20460

 703-308-1568

 Nancy.Paddock@veoliaes.com

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    12/20/2007 01:11 PM              Jan Young/DC/USEPA/US@EPA

                                                                        
         cc

                                      Dennis.Warchol@veoliaes.com

                  Subject     m-cumenyl methylcarbamate

 Jan,

 Thank you for taking the time to discuss my issue this morning.  To

 summarize, I work for a hazardous waste incineration facility and am

 responsible for LDR compliance.  Incineration residues are periodically
sampled and analyzed to verify that all UTS are met.  I was recently
contacted by the outside laboratory we use to provide data for the
carbamate compounds and was told that a standard for the compound
m-cumenyl methylcarbamate (waste code P202) can no longer be found.  I
checked with all of the other outside labs that we use and they in turn,
checked with their suppliers; the standard is not available, not even in
Europe.

 Barry Lesnik stated that we should use promecarb as the standard for

 m-cumenyl methylcarbamate.  I would be happy to do that, but since

 promecarb represents a different waste code (P201,) has a different

 molecular formula and molecular structure, I requested something in

 writing from Barry to document this choice for our compliance files.   
Barry has not yet replied to the December 13th request I made via
e-mail.

   I understand that Shen-Yi Yang will likely be taking over this aspect
of Barry's work upon his retirement.  If she can discuss this issue with
me and verify his guidance or provide an alternative, that would be
greatly appreciated.

 After today, I will be out of the office until January 2nd.  I look

 forward to discussing the situation with Shen-Yi at her earliest
convenience. My contact information can be found below.

 Thank you again for your time this morning and I hope that you enjoy

 this> Holiday Season!

 Sincerely,

 Nancy Paddock

 Environmental Engineering Specialist

 Veolia ES Technical Solutions

 618.271.2804 ext. 115

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