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Thanks, the page I was referring to as having given hope on is in fact that very page: the sentences are continually mashed without a thought for their meaning, just to allow nationalists to swing him from German to Polish all the time. No-one appears to be supporting the few neutrally minded people who have made genuine attempts at middle ground on the talk so I've added it to my fuck-it-I-don't-give-a-fuck list. melmac "

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