::I'm probably stupid for getting involved in this conversation, but color me stupid. I have no horse in this race. With all due respect to those who lost their lives etc (and I mean that), I don't give a flying darn whether one POV or the other is correct... Eh, I'm not gonna jump to all the various threads; I'll just say here 1) I agree that Samu absolutely  must be in lead 2) I have thoughts about the preemptive issue, but can't be arsed to expose myself to the resulting flames. Let's just say I strongly support an article that does NOT grant Wikipedia an editorial voice on the issue. Collect your BEST sources (the current artillery barrage approach is unwieldy and unprofessional, IMHO) and present sources that take both positions. Done. • 

Toxicity label: other