Well at this point five editors have participated in a discussion that has gone on for several thousand words and four of the five are in agreement I initially thought Jytdog s comment above to you was a little harsh but I think you do need to realize that consensus doesn t mean that we discuss this issue endlessly until the other four of us understand the topic better and come around to your position I think we ve got a consensus and its time to acknowledge that rather that continuing in WP IDHT mode talk contribs