Got your message from last night Sadly after a 5 hour session of Crusader Kings II I was fast asleep at that point I have posted to BLPN but BLPPRIMARY is a valid argument Its a shame he did nt make that at the time he was removing it instead of making vague hand wavy gestures at unrelated info I do nt agree with that particular application of it as I have explained there but enough people will do that its better to void the entire thing and find secondary sources as you have done