Stub sorting guidelines I sincerely believe that we really need to lay down the law in stub sorting and really provide a guideline I believe that we should all attempt to reach a general consensus by April 2 2005 in a set of rules that we can follow Once we have built a set of guidelines we can formally create a policy out of those guidelines We need to define what a specialized topic stub is how many articles it should cover when is it appropriate to create it what defines its need for its creation what defines its need for deletion what criteria it should follow what are the general steps should one take when sorting a stub whether or not to start using subst for all templates whether or not use subst for all templates created by the meta templates and any other matters that may come up in consideration I thank for initially creating the subpage for the project at Wikipedia talk WikiProject Stub sorting Guidelines Even though they have been discussed I feel that we really need to confirm everything For that we should discuss each issue with its own sections and raise a list of issues that we need to nail down before really continuing on The English Wikipedia is nearly at 500k articles Either the MediaWiki software needs to handle stubs such that they can be found with a simple union of categories or the sorting is done manually by Wikipedians Personally I think the latter is less taxing on the server load especially when we use subst which I think would help the Wikipedia out performance wise Please make your comments at Wikipedia talk WikiProject Stub sorting Guidelines I apologize for making this somewhat of a spam notice but since the project has more members the project can finally decide on these important issues at hand talk 23 23 15 Feb 2005 UTC That thing you did Hi Gadfium a while back I was having trouble with some geography stubs and via the Village Pump you found out for me that they d been created twice and fixed them What did you do Just delete and restore the article which is appearing more than once If that doesn t seem to work try refreshing the category that they re in edit the category page and then change the URL to say refresh instead of edit and as a last resort make a trivial change to the duplicated article to force a change to the database 01 47 16 Feb 2005 UTC changing geo stub this is bordering on the absurd I have ended a number of my articles and stubs with Oceania geo stub and someone has changed them to just plain stubs so now I make it just a stub and someone comes in behind me and changes it first to a geo stub and then to an Oceania geo stub 07 09 17 Feb 2005 UTC Nuthin to do with me and anyone involved in the Stub sorting project should know to leave it as a oceania geo stub Which articles do you mean hello I don t even know precisely which articles they are anymore most of my recent edits have had to do with the islands of French Polynesia and the Cook Islands I haven t bothered to look at who s changing the stubs or if perhaps it s a problem with the db I ve had on occasion to submit several times 07 46 17 Feb 2005 UTC The db may be the culprit These stubs are very heavily used and the system does seem to slow down a bit with them Not sure why that would result in the multile template changes though As to an overhaul of the names that would mean changing 50 different regional stubs which between them are used on close to 10 000 articles It s simply not practical hello Ah I will look into it Tokelau has always been something of a side bar interest for me since they seem to be the left out islands I ll check out what you ve written and add anything that I think I might have to contribute Unfortunately for my ability to contribute to these Polynesia related articles Wikipedia is catching me about 15 years after my interest in the subject reached its zenith I ardently believe in the philosophy that drives Wikipedia and so I m doing whatever I can to write edit or create appropriate articles based mostly on memory which is why they seem sometimes perhaps to be a bit light on citation If I had a crappier memory I d be more hesitant about contributing Believe me tho when I decided to move to the Marquesas specifically to E ao my decision was well researched Of course this is the unrealized pipe dream of an adolescent misfit but my extensive research int