Additional Proofs that Ramdasias are Chamar Will post to Chamar discussion page after block has expired Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province By H A Rose IBBETSON Maclagan p148 of the book or P311 of online book He states that Just as the Muhammadan Chamar is styled Mochi so that Sikh Chamar is called Ramdasia Panjab castes by Sir Denzil Ibbetson 1916 On Page 269 he states Similarly if the Ramdasias do not follow the occupation of Chamars it is no reason to separate them from that castes So if a Ramdasia is Julaha that is a weaver and if he is Bazzaz that is a draper his caste remains unchanged If a Chamar a leather worker becomes a Sikh and receives pahul to day he at once joins the Ramdasias The Ramdasias do receive the daughters in marriage of ordinary Chamars but give them pahul before associating with them The the Ramdasi is still a Chamar On page 300 The Sikh Chamar or Ramdasia It will be seen from Table VIII A that in the north and centre of the Eastern Plains a very considerable number of Chamiirs have embraced the Sikh religion These men are called Ramdasia after Gui u Ram Das though what connection they have with him I have been unable to discover Perhaps he was the first Guru to admit Chamars to the religion Many perhaps most of the Ramdasia Chamars have abandoned leather work for the loom they do not eat carrion and they occupy a much higher position than the Hindu Chamars though they are not admitted to religious equality by the other Sikhs The Ramdasia are often confused with the Raidiisi oi Rabdasi Chamars The former are true Sikhs and take the pdhul The latter are Hindus or if Sikhs only Nanakpanthi Sikhs and do not take the pcikul and are followers of Bhagat Rav Das or Rab Das himself a Chamar They are apparently as true Hindus as any Chamars can be and are wrongly called Sikhs by confusion with the Ranidasias The Religious Life of India The Chamars by G W Briggs ISBN 8175361840 Available on google books On page P 28 the various subcastes of chamars originated due to different occupations Quote The Chandar does not tanning and is the highest of the subcastes The Ramdasi is a weaver The Bonas are weavers of blankets who are Sikhs The Chamar Castes of Punjab In Punjab the Chamar is known as Adharmi Chamar Jatia Chamar Rehgar Raigar Ramdasia Ravidasi Source THE CONSTITUTION SCHEDULED CASTES ORDER 1950 C O 19 Source List of notified Scheduled Castes Chamar Castes of Delhi In Delhi the chamar is known as CHAMAR CHANWAR CHAMAR JATYA OR JATAV CHAMAR MOCHI RAMDASIA RAVIDASI RAIDASI REHGARH OR RAIGAR Source LIST OF SC ST UNDER GOVT OF NCT OF DELHI Chamar Castes of Jammu Kashmir Chamar Castes of Jammu Kashmir The Chamar is known as Chamar or Ramdasia Source The Constitution Jammu Kashmir Scheduled Castes Order 1956 Dalits and the Emancipatory Sikh Religion Raj Kumar Hans from History department of MS University of Baroda Based on a Draft Paper presented at University of Pennsylvania at the Conference on Dalit Challenges to Academic Knowledge The Great Paradoxes Another dalit Naxalite poet Lal Singh Dil was born in a Ramdasia Sikh Chamar family in 1943 On Poet Lal Singh Dil Born to a low caste Ramdasia Chamar tanner family Dil was the first of his clan to pass Class X while doing his daily labour and go to college Scheduled Castes in Sikh Community A Historical Perspective by Harish K Puri In the customary scheme outcastes such as mazhabis Churah Sikh balmikis and ramdasias chamar Sikh ravidasias were not allowed to own land Perspectives on Sikh Studies by Jagjit Singh 1985 published by Guru Nanak Foundation Near J N U and Qutab Hotal New Delhi 110 067 on Page 75 The Ramdasia s or the Sikh Chamars occupt a much higher position than the Hindu Chamars