I am sorry to say Mr Tosa was not invited to that championship So what you are telling is not true Sensei Shukumine never had any contact with Tosa after Tosa turned his back on him and started his own commercial Karate organization Please see also Sensei Shukumine s personal message at a training seminar in The Netherlands with Sensei Kanai and Sensei Konno Please see the pictures on the Genseiryu website Taido and Genseiryu people united to celebrate 55 years Genseiryu 40 years Taido and to commemorate Sensei Shukumine Besides that there are pictures of Sensei Shukumine teaching several Genseiryu Teachers like Genseiryu Head Instructor Sensei Kanai in Genseiryu Head dojo situated in Ito Japan in 1996 212 127 137 2 19 37 5 Jun 2005 UTC Were you at the championship or something So if Mr Tosa never had any contact with Mr Shukumine after 1962 then please explain these picturse of Mr Tosa and Mr Shukumine together on the Brazilian Genseiryu website Zzaroc 22 01 5 Jun 2005 UTC I am sorry I didn t say Sensei Shukumine had any contact after 1962 I said he didn t had any contact after Sensei Tosa turned his back to Sensei Shukumine This was after Sensei Shukumine wrote the preface for sensei Tosa s book about Genseiryu Butokukai And yes I was present at the championship in Okinawa amongst other Genseiryu practitioners from Spain Denmark Holland and Japan I will try to give also a link with pictures of that event I need a little time for that I am not an Internet black belt sorry for that 212 127 137 2 22 53 5 Jun 2005 UTC You don t have to be a black belt when your good by the way But take your time I am patient But I was wondering Mr Tosa published his book in 1984 but there still a picture of him together with Mr Shukumine in 1985 I mean those pictures on the Brazilian site Then there are still a few questionmarks But by the way did you know that Mr Tosa received several letters all over the world just after Mr Shukumine died Those letters were asked for permission if some dojo s could join the organization of Mr Tosa Mr Tosa denied these people to join his organization There was one person who send such a letter to Mr Tosa from Holland and you may guess who And I have got also another question Mr Seiken Shukumine past away to an hart attack But when did he started to get ill Zzaroc 23 59 5 Jun 2005 UTC No a black belt is not needed to have a certain skill But in most occasion it shows an amount of training effort time And as you probably know training effort makes you become more skillfull I don t know when Mr Tosa turned his back to sensei Shukumine so maybe my remark that they didn t had any contact shouldn t be done by me because I am not aware of that specific date So I apologize for that But I heard this occured in the mid till end 80s No I didn t know that Mr Tosa received several letters from all over the world I know he claimed to get a letter from Holland I know he received one which was delivered by someone from Denmark But I know that the letter was completely different from what is claimed by Mr Tosa That is also easy to believe if you are member of a Genseiryu organization in Ito which was directly connected to sensei Shukumine where Sensei Shukumine still gave in very few occasions lectures about Genseiryu pictures are on the way few days necessary So you can imagine you don t beg for acknowledgement by Mr Tosa who only wants you to train his way which is very near to Shotokan with the basic kata of Shotokan This dojo in Holland is not interested in any connection with Mr Tosa For what reason if you want to train Genseiryu the same way as sensei Shukumine taught his students The Head Instructor of this organization is now Sensei Kanai one of the first students of Sensei Shukumine In Sensei Shukumine s book Shin Karatedo Kyohan there are several pictures of teachers who are still in this group I met them during the celebrating anniversary of Taido and Genseiryu beginning of this year Jan 2005 Many nice teachers who still respect Sensei Shukumine as should be in the relationship with teacher and student I was never involved with the sickness of Sensei Shukumine and I don t like to talk about his sickness I met Mr Shukumine one time and talked a little bit with him In Okinawa I only met him from a distance So I am sorry I can t anwer this question for I didn t have such a close relationship with Sensei Shukumine 212 127 137 2 06 48 6 Jun 2005 UTC I m not in