Thank you for this I have read the articles and found them useful I simply don t understand however how The Kate Kennedy Club does not fulfil the criteria of these two issues however Indeed one only has to search Kate Kennedy Club in either Google Books or simply Google to see the number of accounts of the club s purpose and aims in published books national newspapers and online I would be more than happy to list the names of the books the links to the articles in national press which reference the club if that is necessary Best talk