Well that s the best reason of all not to include it The page was empty when I was editing yesterday along with others to the same site that this and related IPs added I guess there was a glitch on the site since they are all now showing content I don t understand your point number 2 I wasn t claiming it was a references the wikilink I provided was to our guidelines on external links which this site falls foul of being a newish open wiki without substantial editing history from many contributors and with no particular reputation on this subject We may not be great on all subjects but that doesn t mean we should be expanding those issues by creating a big association of untrustworthy pages As to removing other links from this page you may well be right I was not trying to push a POV by removing this one I was cleaning up after a campaign to spam Wikipedia with links to this particular website so I wasn t looking at the links here as a whole I would encourage a clean out of other links that are not credible and to putting POV comments and sites in their appropriate context but I m not sure I would know where to begin on a subject like this SiobhanHansa