Wow way to keep pulling StrawMen out of thin air I m not sure whether you ve honestly confused me with somebody else or whether you just loosened your last little screw Anyway you don t seem to see the almost humorous irony in the fact that there is no article of its own for Saddlebacking because you are the person with a Conflict Of Interest as an actual paying member of the SaddleBackChurch who specifically edit warred in opposition to creation of that article If it weren t so funny it would be sad Actually it is sad It s sad because i m wasting my time arguing about things i don t even care about I don t care about cults or their rubes i don t care about marriages or traditional social conformity and i don t care about the very concepts of virginity matrimony and heterosexuality which are all wound up in the controversies which Warren chooses to exploit for the sake of his professional charlatanism So really what does it even matter i m only arguing at this point because on principle i don t believe your COI should be allowed to stand in these situations where edits are reverted or obstructed I find the whole matter of staying civil to you in the face of your well proven COI and weird strawmen from outofyournetherlymysteries to be sort of a comical challenge It s too bad you wind up wasting the time of others who could be better spending their time working on articles about something educational or fun Talk 4 1 1