DO NOT EDIT OR POST REPLIES TO THIS PAGE THIS PAGE IS AN ARCHIVE Post replies to the main talk page copying or summarizing the section you are replying to if necessary First section of history Is everyone ok with this part of the history If so we can go ahead and move it into the article and get started on the second part In 1974 Tina Barber of Shiloh Shepherd Kennel in New York State began developing a unique line of German Shepherds Her goal was to preserve the type of dog she remembered from her childhood in Germany dogs who are good family companions exceptionally intelligent mentally sound big and beautiful similar to Chuck Eisenmann s dogs from The Littlest Hobo After years of selective breeding and genetic research she seperated her dogs from the AKC in 1990 In 1991 The Shiloh Shepherd Dog Club of America SSDCA Inc was incorporated Shilohs were originally registered dually through the FIC and AKC but after difficulty with standards verification the SSDCA decided to open the first Shiloh only registry The International Shiloh Shepherd Registry ISSR Due to some documentation problems with the original ISSR registrar a special program was designed by The Complete Computer Place TCCP to process registry data for the ISSR Since then more than 4 000 dogs have been registered with the ISSR They also maintain a database with over 45 000 ancestors in order to properly calculate various factors within the limited genepool Thanks babelfish Since there haven t been any objections I ll go ahead and move this to the article so we can focus on working the second section I also hope to be able to expand and work on some of the other sections today to get closer to the Manual of Style guidelines and start setting this article up for featured article status babelfish This may be too late but I think the fact that the ISSR was started in 1991 should be made clear and also that the TCCP started to maintain the records in 1993 There are other statements in that second paragraph that don t seem quite right to me either Not too late at all there s no time when an article is considered finished I did notice that some dates are missing like the TCCP you mentioned You might want to consider rewriting it and then posting it on here before making the changes to the article since that seems to be working to prevent edit wars babelfish In response to the others statement that over 50 of the existing ISSR breeders left in 97 98 at Tina s request I have reviewed the database and put it into a live web page that can be shared with the entire Shiloh fancy I am also preparing other documented data pages that will clearly dispell the objections that have been raised by the other editors Response to Concerns Posted I apologize for the delay in reponse The following is thanks to a collaboration by a number of contributing editors that have been participating in these continuing discussions over 10 weeks now It s a long one Every attempt was made in it s construction to follow Wikietiquette provide supporting resources to our statements and be on NPOV in nature We ask that any replies comment concern the below be presented BELOW this posting to allow it to be viewed in it s entirety without disruption or difficulty Jareth stated Having seen this proposal I can tell you I have several serious concerns about this version In 1997 Ms Barber stated she could no longer afford Jareth stated appears to be opinion misleading please provide a reference T Barber wrote By now it should be quite obvious that my efforts to maintain unity among the members has failed I am physically worn out mentally drained and financially busted I was very concerned that all members would still receive the type of support I had wanted to give them through newsletters at specialty shows etc etc The new club leaders have assured me that all of you will receive as much if not more attention You should be receiving a letter from the new club along with mine that should clearly answer all of your quest