Granted I m a newcomer I actually do appreciate you putting up with my responses I m trying to learn by using the discussion page instead of vandalising the main article page under cover of my HughesNet rotating IP The IP address is a static IP for a HughesNet customer with a HughesNet PROFESSIONAL service As a long term customer I felt the original criticisms were not clearly stated and warranted clarification hence my counter points Note that I did not delete the original largely uncited criticisms to be fair to them but simply offerred a rebutal and clarification inline for each Also note that I added the new criticism about rainfade and would strongly recommend that you add the criticism about VPNs see above since that is a major weakness of HughesNet for telecommuters As a newcomer who got slapped on the wrist I won t touch the main article but I am hoping that you consider my arguments on their merits and that you provide clarifications and citations in the main article to improve it Also a newcomer I thought I m allowed to use the discussion page to voice discussions on and on and on and on