Archive01 Posts through Oct 30 2004 Hi NathanHawking and welcome to Wikipedia Thankyou for finding the time to sign up and contribute to our little project If you re in doubt about anything you might want to check out some of these pages Welcome newcomers a general introduction and a good starting point The help centre and FAQs The Manual of Style a guide to the community s writing conventions It s also a good idea to sign the new user log and add a little about yourself When contributing to a talk page you can sign your name by typing four tildes after your comments like this Just so you know some people won t pay attention to unsigned comments If you have any questions don t hesitate to ask me at my talk page or at the Help desk or Village Pump Above all make sure you be bold when contributing and have fun 06 54 26 Sep 2004 UTC Re Thanks for restoring links Hi you re quite welcome I didn t think you removed the interlanguage links intentionally The spam vandalism was indeed added by 221 197 20 66 the same spammer vandal returned today via 221 198 74 212 Since this is an obvious and shameless attempt to use Wikipedia to increase the page ranking of the spammer s website see Wikipedia Spam I ve put in a request at m Non development tasks for developers Spam regex requests to have the domain shop263 com added to the project wide spam filter With any luck a developer will see the request before too long Once the domain is on the filter a page containing the domain can not be saved annoyingly there are ways to get around this but it usually takes care of the problem Anyway nice work on the rewrite I hope you like it here and choose to stick around Cheers 07 32 28 Sep 2004 UTC On War neat job 08 07 28 Sep 2004 UTC Zone system I would appreciate your leaving the mention in First Ansel Adams in his three volume 1980 basic photography series presented the Zone system this way and he explicitly said in so many words that his aim is not to force his own system of photography on anyone but to encourage photographers to better understand their equipment in order to control the finished photograph He disapproved of winging it not of any particular system The Zone system worked for him And the Zone system is controversial believe it or not I know of at least one vocational school photography teacher years ago when I lived in Montreal who told students not to bother with it and it seems he was not alone Also please wait a few days before doing a major edit job I liked the article as it used to be and I was sorely tempted to revert most of your changes but did not I particularly liked the wording dynamic range and miss it and I m sorry to say I now personally find the article less approachable to a newcomer Dynamic range is very appropriate for instance I m making numbers up here for the sake of argument if we say reality has a Zone 0 to X range of 1 to 100 000 then a finished print has a range of 1 to 10 000 while a typical digital camera will only provide a range of 1 to 1 000 A move from 100 000 to 10 000 to 1 000 seems pretty dynamic to me However since I m not going to reread the whole Basic Photography series or even go into a darkroom again space is at a premium in Tokyo I m not willing to put too much effort into maintaining this page 05 52 30 Sep 2004 UTC Hi Vincent Which idea specifically did you wish to restore to the zone system article That the zone system is was not advocated by all I d say that s probably true for most any school of thought That Ansel Adams was not dogmatic about this being the only way to do things I d say that unless there is a large public misimpression that he was dogmatic it s not worth mentioning no more than it s necessary to mention that every painter or sculptor or engineer held other approaches to various disciplines were equally valid Here s the problem with dynamic range Vincent it s inaccurate jargon It s oft used and familiar jargon but sloppy and inaccurate nonetheless First it s redundant The meaning most attribute to dy