and for a quote from a news story which is no longer available online That one I won t contest the blog article consists almost entirely of the news story and there are no visitors comments Of course both are experts writing about a field in which they are experts They may be experts in science but they are not particular experts about Yecke many others know as much as or more than they do about Yecke And while Myer s is a widely read op ed columnist For the umpteenth time dunghill Myers is not a widely read op ed columnist he is just a BVD clad blogger And even if he were a widely read op ed columnist his blog would have to be under direct editorial control of a media company to be eligible to be a Wikipedia source we are using Pharyngula as a source for what Myers said and we are using Austringer as a source for what Elsberry said And if you do that you are making an exception to the Wikipedia rules and the same exception must be made for my blog just as you could use a Krugman op ed as a source for what Krugman said without bothering to figure out whether the NYTimes op ed piece adequately fact checks its op ed columnists Newspapers take responsibility for the accuracy of the reporting of their journalists A journalist can be fired or suffer damage to a career because of false reporting