I see you have now meet MR Goethean I tried very hard myself to bring NPOV to the Roskam article and found that I was basically GANG BANGED by editors as well as a admin friendly to the two editors who where engaged in edit revert wars and wikilawyering I found that over the course of 6 weeks almost ever one of my edits were reverted and was blocked and banned because I dared to question them and found the arrogances and condescension to be frustrating to a point of rage Now i wish you good luck with the HARD WORKing Goetheaning and his WP OWN ship crew MY war is not out of here and working with my freind Pete I happen to know him personally he know this places very well good luck Joehazelton PS I did tryied by now I HATE WIKIPEDIA and wish it ill due to my expericance here I will work hard now to take it down The sets me apart for the slick and educated because on the south side of Chicago were I grew up be are simple and more honest JoeHazelton