6 November 2007 UTC Ah yes You two know that it probably isn t prudent for me to say much about him now Instead let s take a different tack okay A challenge to those at WP AN A number of people have been discussing various moves by me In an attempt to help clarify the issues I respectfully issue the following challenge Go to Wikipedia Requested moves and make a request for Eduardo Perez to be moved to Eduardo P rez providing the proper discussion space on the talk page in accordance with the instructions at WP RM etc Then give everyone who has commented about my moving articles should be given a chance to weigh in on that requested move Put together all that collective brainpower and more importantly all that spirit of cooperative editing to work to try to resolve the question of which of those two names should occupy the unique spot available for the article s name in accordance with our Wikipedia Naming conventions Consider what you could support based on the article as it stands today with nothing specifically identified as a reference but with two entries under External links to statistics pages Based on what I could see in other words Look for and discuss additional sources of information to support either the Eduardo P rez spelling or the Eduardo Perez spelling Add appropriate references to the article if they are reliable sources If anyone who has commented about me in this regard hasn t jumped in of his or her own accord within a couple of days seek them out and specifically invite their input to achieve the best cooperative result This will provide a wonderful opportunity to teach by example Then no matter where it ends up we will probably accomplish one thing Those who want to talk about naming conventions issues will at least have some little bit of experience with and understanding for the potential issues involved History This article was started with the name Eduardo Perez more than two years ago and remained that way until moved to Eduardo P rez without discussion and no edit summary here 10 Oct 2007 by User Kolins Later I moved back the undiscussed unreferenced move of the longstanding name There have been no edits since and Talk Eduardo Perez is a blank slate unused but for the ubiquitous WikiProjects and BLP boxes filling up a couple of screens Or perhaps it would be even more instructive to add one additional step first Let Husond first show you how an old pro one well versed in the workings of Wikipedia would handle this Let him first move it back to Eduardo P rez then request page protection on the page Then once that page protection is in place you can request the move in the opposite direction from Eduardo P rez to Eduardo Perez Same encouragement of participation by anyone involved in that WP AN discussion of course no matter which direction the move is requested All that changes is the burden of proof something Husond is well aware of but might not have been considered by everyone else It might have some effect on the ensuing discussion or not I can t predict what will happen in this case Leave the discussion open for the normal five days or more with of course anyone who is following the article just because they are baseball fanatics or whatever free to jump into the discussion as well That discussion of course ought to be able to proceed quite smoothly and amicable since you won t have to worry about a disruptive character like me jumping in there Does that sound do able Either direction I don t care You choose 19 13