Josh The debate that I aggressively dismissed turned out to not exist I understand that I m not going to get any apologies on that front but take that for what it s worth Butterfly maybe my analogy wasn t apt but no one has addressed the fact that everyone calls it the iPod Maybe we should look at articles about the iPod in reliable sources If it s commonly called the iPod we will call it that if it s commonly referred to as iPod then I will cede my point Acceptable