Thank you for the useful reference Domer48 However I must respectfully disagree that either a consensus was reached at all or adjudicated in the reference you quote above and that if a consensus was displayed it was as you describe I think that the argument supported the original complaint NPOV Murder vs killing There seems to be a bizarre NPOV inconsistency being raised over articles relating to people killed in Ireland There are 1 victims of IRA PIRA such as 86 year old Sir Norman Stronge 8th Baronet and James Stronge 2 victims of Loyalists such as Pat Finucane solicitor 3 victims of the British army such as Kieran Fleming and 4 suicides such as Bobby Sands There is a vocal and persistent lobby which is pro Irish Republican many of whom belong to Wikipedia WikiProject Irish Republicanism which argues I think that a death is a killing until somebody is found guilty of murder even when that killing is generally defined and established as murder by law and in the international press kiwiexile at DMOZ