Take a break from dates I m sorry to see that Greg is getting on your last nerve You know that there are people that understand and agree with your point so stop pushing it I know I m not always able to follow that advice myself so I m not trying to be holier than thou or condescending apologies if it comes across that way My inadvertently driving Gerry away was a real eye opener for me I disagreed with him quite regularly but I never felt he was actively disruptive The same goes for PmAnderson Septrasomething who hasn t really contributed to the debate for a while The useless point counter point we re participating in with Greg and Tony is driving away all the people who might otherwise come to a reasonable conclusion or at least legitimize the debate if we weren t monopolizing things You ve already suggested a Wikibreak for the same group that I just did in fact it s partly what gave me the idea and I think we should just abide by it whether or not the other side does Ryan and the other ArbCom folk aren t stupid they ll see what s happened and hopefully give due weight to the opinions of people who have tried to act responsibly If not then is it really worth fighting for anyway Cheers