What you say makes sense to me I was simply documenting in the least intrusive manner I could think of some basic data that came from Menken s article I left out the fascinating similarity between Hebrew potter and treasury and the consequent Septuagint mistranslation Frankly I should write an article making Menken s work more accessible it would take some pressure off the Judas article which is much wider in scope My main problem is that I m supposed to spend time doing such things for a living so the pleasure will need to wait for another time Anyway I see from your edits that you have a insight into the issues and know how to present things in neutral as well as clear ways Fr hliche Pfingsten mein Freund