It s now clear from the evidence presented by ALoan that this page was legitimately moved to River Plate in Nov 2004 after it was nominated on Requested Moves and that the move of this page to R o de la Plata contravened the normal procedures reversing the previous legitimate move Therefore we should not be accepting the controversial move to R o de la Plata as a fait accompli and should really be discussing a move from what was the status quo i e River Plate to R o de la Plata As a consequence the 60 majority normally required for a move to River Plate should be ignored and only 40 of the vote should be required to restore this page to what was the status quo I can not believe anyone with any sense of fair play could legitimately defend the position of making a controversial move and then having a vote on whether to keep the new name where the balance lies in its favour it is just not the Wiki way