5 March 2009 UTC That wasn t an attack ad hominem that was constructive criticism There s a difference You re an idiot is an ad hominem attack It is a baseless insult with no constructive intention Rubbish is an ad hominem attack There is nothing constructive other than an insult of another contributors work Telling fiddle they he or she has an arrogant obtuse attitude was constructive with the intention of advice on how to better deal with new posters Instead of posting rubbish is both an arrogant and insulting statement It did nothing to help me create a better article OR give reasons why the SKK article was being deleted Rubbish is not an objective criteria This article has already been posted debated is Of course this fact never was brought up until after the discussion was well out of hand Second you can not with any intellectual honesty characterize what I posted as vandalism My repeated intention was to make a sincere contribution of a topic that I felt is important I was more than happy to discuss the merits of the article as evidenced by my fruitless attempt to use the hangon tag I literally barely had time to type a few words before the article was again deleted with absolutely zero discussion or valid justification I encourage ALL parties to go back and look at how this played out There was NO discussion other than threats a dismissive suggestion to go play in your own sandbox Is this really how you want to run Wiki It is after all your playground and you get to make the rules That s fine with me Maybe you really have dealt with too many vandals and were quick to lump me in with whatever hooligans you may be used to dealing with If I really wanted to be a vandal I could easily use an ip proxy to keep posting causing trouble here There would be little that you could do about it but that is not who I am I am an honest contributor who took exception to fiddles arrogant and insulting attitude We can disagree on that assessment but don t expect me to get on my knees with some gee I m sorry obsequiesness just so I can join the cool kids club My advice to you is maybe you fiddle hiber might reconsider your knee jerk reactions at least assume positive intent see community heading above try a discussion that does not start with something along the lines of your work is rubbish 16 42