First of all what mainstream historians say does not determine the truth Wikipedia claims to be NPOV factual and informative Allowing an allegedly mainstream POV to set the tone is a violation of NPOV especially when such opinions conflict with the facts Second I note with interest that you haven t disputed the substance of the extensive comments made by Capone and me Like Fred Bauder you concentrate on popularity in the limited context of well fed Westerners who spent their youth searching for reds under the beds Third you red bait those who claim correctly that capitalism kills hundreds of millions of people every decade by withholding food clean water and basic medical care Calling this t he Stalinist view of the world is a demagogue s tactic Fourth the US the UK France non Nazi Germany and other capitalist countries have indeed murdered millions upon millions of their own citizens or at least of the residents of their territory whether or not such people were regarded as citizens by the capitalist governments in question Need I mention the genocide that pushed the indigenous population of an entire hemisphere to the brink of extinction How about slavery revolution civil war conscription for military adventures abroad Finally if you think that Stalin was a paranoid mass murderer is an NPOV statement that belongs in this or any other article there is no point in discussing anything with you 18 11 29 Oct 2004 UTC