G S K Lee what I intended to say is that I Love Beijing Tian anmen is not grammatically standard English it reflects the Chinese word order and is somewhat comprehensible but is not logical in English because in grammatically standard English the specific place follows the larger place e g The White House Washington or the Tate Gallery London the complete contrary of Chinese That s not to say that non grammatically standard English should be forbidden especially from song poetry but I think to most native English speakers this translation would be viewed as unusual or highly unorthodox But I understand appreciate your intent I don t mean to sound critical 01 54 22 Jun 2005 UTC