Shiotani Teiko And dozens and dozens more just like it Hi You created an article saying in full Shiotani Teiko 1899 1988 was a renowned Japanese photographer Actually it s Teik not Teiko and according to WP s silly rules we have to ignore his real name of Shiotani Teik and instead call him Teik Shiotani But that s not the main problem which is that he s described in just about the same way as Kuribayashi Satoshi born 1939 is a renowned Japanese photographer Or indeed Watanabe Kanendo born 1947 is a renowned Japanese photographer Or Orihara Kei born 1948 is a renowned Japanese photographer And so on and so on and so on Which all means that somebody looking among Category Japanese photographers is highly likely to land on a mere substub I can count on my fingers the people likely to turn a half dozen or so of these substubs into articles No on my thumbs User Pinkville and myself But he s busy and I am too I d rate the probability that more than half will be converted within a year to more than stubs at well under 1 It s an interesting proof of bot concept exercise but is it good for anything else Tell you what I ll match you one for one You turn two of these into articles I ll turn two into articles You turn ten into articles I ll turn ten into articles How does that sound That s a great challenge You re on talk random OK then Do tell me when you ve done one as I can t keep the whole damn lot on my watchlist Well actually I can but I lack the time and effort to put them onto my watchlist Also I ll be intercoursingly busy during the next month so in the short medium term I may only be able to match you up to ten I m sure I ve got entire books by at least twenty of these substubbed people so I ought to be able to do more What s odd about the list are some conspicuous absences Not just people I think are good but people who rightly or wrongly are celebrated and successful Asai Shinpei is one and there are more though I can t think of them right now Not that it s any of my business really but did you scarf the list from User 20th Century Art Zenhan s page or do something else Yeah I scraped from Zenhan I ll let you know here or on your talk page when I have one ready I don t think I can make any of them featured but legitimately non stub is the goal All the best talk random Okay here s my first Ichiki Shiro It s not much beyond a stub but it s something It took an hour of research and I think I found all the info that s anywhere on the web regarding Mr Ichiki By the way was I right in listing him as a Hatamoto My sources say he was a retainer of the Daimyo in the Edo period of course and I know that he spoke with his Daimyo so he couldn t have been a Gokenin But I don t think he was a warrior so I don t know So far as I can tell all Togugawa retainers were either Gokenin or Hatamoto Am I correct in my inference talk random Damn you re fast Unfortunately I don t know squat about Tokugawa retainers and the like On several occasions I ve tried to interest myself in feudal history but have always fallen flat I suppose I can t separate it from the hammily acted cheesily lit TV period dramas I sometimes have to tolerate when at the in laws LordAmeth might know And this photographer s right up Pinkville s street How s this for a progress indicator Great talk random Yup except for a number of factors one of which is that it s problematical copyrightwise or so I infer from a comment elsewhere by one User Quadell I ve already chucked in one extra list and I ll certainly add one more and I may add one after that perhaps it can then be described as an original creation All this is delaying my editing of any article Still I ll get around to that too in time I hope that I ve no