Interesting I guess what was boggling my mind is where for lack of a better word do the Irish peerages exist I suppose with my ingrained American thinking I was having a hard time imagining the peerages existing in the Republic of Ireland with no monarchy And for the same reason I m probably trying to subconsciously tie titles to land more than is valid I think things like this interest me not so much per se but more as logic problems 20 59 16 Mar 2004 UTC