Fux and drive The phrase either in its full or especially its four note version is just far too mundane to be considered influential without external documentation I d say it s original research but you know it s just possible that some musicologist said all that it still would be false though Thanks for pointing me to Geogre s talk pageI ll see if I can add a sonnet or something I agree about lack of Google coverage of alternative encyclopedias being a big drawback I ve been thinking of just writing whatever I want on my own website dual licensing it GFDL CC and then adding the page to both projects If the other one takes off then it s a boon If not it s still here Added bonus of contributing that way attribution required sounds selfish but sort of nice to do it that way talk Oh and congrats on 500 articles Wow msc P P S do you have a copy of Atlas s Renaissance Music I notice you often cite Reese I have no cookies but sometimes Norton sends extra things my way talk Beer Too Oh man that looks so good right now LOL cheers talk I took the picture and then drank the beer It was good I have a preference for Moosehead which is what that was