But then again why not offer a reason why Cayra is not notable Why not just STOP telling me I must work on Cayra and all the rest all the BS and simply address the fundamental issue like a you know a man That s all I want out of this A reasoned debate in public as to the substantive issues My history of postings CLEARLY show that this is all I have ever wanted and the response including yours CLEARLY show that I have gotten every manner of incivility in return and NO manner of debate IF you can t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen If you can t support your position or engage in open debate then find something else to do with your life That goes for each and every one of you wikieditor9999