OK I checked PoME 84 125 23 220 is indeed right it is the legend of the fate of Amrod Telufinw Umbarto Ambarto who was the one burned with the ships Amras Pityafinw Ambarussa survived and presumably still died in the Third Kinslaying Now should we follow PoME strictly and have Curufin as F anor s fourth son and Caranthir as his fifth