First rate capitalisation Rif I can see where you re coming from with the capitalisation of first rate et al but we need to work within the MoS unless you find a consensus in favour of a change For that reason I ll put a note at WikiShips asking people to come and have a look at the discussion at Talk First rate There you will find the reasons I believe capitals should not be used laid out clearly In the meantime I feel strongly that the article should continue to reflect the approved usage and I would ask you to keep the wiki correct lower case variant until the discussion is complete On another note the article currently sits at First rate with a hyphen with a redirect from First rate without a hyphen I think we re both in agreement that this should be the other way round and I suggest we move it as soon as the discussion on capitalisation is complete Another thing we agree strongly on is the insane use of pennant number as a disambiguation for modern ships fine for US Navy but madness for the RN Who searches for HMS Ark Royal R07 I imagine there are only a tiny handful of readers who have any idea what a pennant number is let alone what the pennant number for a particular ship might be Shall we make a concerted and long term effort to change the consensus on this particular issue Yours