Noren your argument is ridiculous Only a very few atoms helium neon and argon have TRULY filled electron shells and can participate in energy releasing fusion The reference is making generic statements so that it specifies light nuclei instead of particular elements It does not need to say HOW filled an electron shell is when making generic remarks about light nuclei It DOES specifically state In normal conditions between atoms or molecules the nuclei never get close enough for fusion to commence And all of us here know that the conditions of CF are far more normal than stellar Regarding the other stuff in my last post I do know that it is OR and was not trying to get it into the article at this time it won t be OR forever I just wanted to point out to Art who brags about his Phd that he s the one who is dead wrong about electron shells being in the way I recall reading about the shells being in the way about 4 decades ago when I first started learning stuff about fusion It was the very first thing that came to my mind as a problem to solve when I first heard about cold fusion It is silly to not mention this problem in the article here IS there a conspiracy by CF detractors to keep any data out of the article that might someday become related used to the solutions to the main problems Why else would Art do his latest lie of omission trying to talk about real nuclei under real world conditions without paying any attention to the electrons that were associated with those nuclei The SUN does not fly apart all its temperature freed nuclei receding to infinite distance under the influence of mutual electric repulsion which would indeed happen if there were no electrons in the mix He even wants us to believe that while we can mathematically add 2 2 to get 4 in a Wikipedia article we can t do simple obvious logic that is mathematically equivalent If a source article says termites caused the collapse of this house Wikipedia can t be precisely accurate and say gravity caused the collapse of that house after termites weakened its structure