Thanks DW Is DW right I like the preface I m also happy you consider the OT reasonably normative up to the fall of the second temple as I thought it was but coundn t really back it up I m happy to get rid of Lot He s only there because the previous version of the article made heavy reference to him and I didn t want to excise absolutely everything the previous author had written I m not really sure what to replace him with though I ve covered what I think are the important differences already arranged marriage legal position submission to husband and father Story of Jacob is a possibility but again I m not sure how normal his situation would be 13 22 15 Oct 2003 UTC