Chalk one up for Ed Robert Merkel Perhaps it would make sense to move some of the stuff from Terrorism against Arabs back here if we came to having 2 distinct articles once again For instance Lord Moyne was not much of an Arab though they were his favorites I guess so his assassination by Stern gang belongs more to Israeli terrorism Uriyan Facts about Israel note that many of the statements on this page are disputed With all the due respect I don t think this link should be applied on this page for several reasons It is not about Israeli terrorism but about general Israel bashing It contains mostly incomplete and partial information For instance the green Palestinian number plates was something they asked for Israeli Arabs have regular yellow plates and because of that are sometimes targeted by Palestinian gunmen Many of these statements deserve a proper discussion in Wikipedia not out of it Uriyan The USS Liberty incident is generally thought to have been an Israeli mistake The USS Liberty was a US Navy ship It was flying a Navy ensign It had guns on it Since it wasn t civilian engaging it at sea does not have anything to do with terrorism and has no place on this page which is about terrorism Uriyan Uriyan This sentence has been removed from the article about Kach They have also organized murders and beatings of Palestinians in the U S Really Who I too am curious about this claim It is so vague and undocumented that it does not belong in the article Can someone provide specific claims and a few sources for us to check out Also I do not understand what this has to do with the government of Israel I agree that it is theoretically possible for a few fanatic right wing American Jews to carry out such a thing But A there is only a vague allegation being made and B this has nothing to do with the Israeli government nor the pre Israel proto state in the British Mandate of Palestine We can t simply lump all crimes done by Jewish people into the category of Israeli terrorism All crimes committed by Arabs considered Palestinian terrorism No Unless these acts were committed by agents of the government of Israel why are they listed as Israeli terrorism instead of Jewish terrorism I d tend to agree with Zoe here about the title of the article being wrong Since it s so controversial coming up with a universally acceptable definition of terrorist vs freedom fighter maybe we should just have Violence against Israelis and Violence against Palestinians pages or some such Such pages exist at least for Palestinians but nobody bothers to update them It s much less sexy than Israeli terrorism Then maybe this should redirect to Violence against Palestinians after moving the content of this page its Talk there of course The page I had in mind was Palestinians killed by Israelis but I support leaving X terrorism pages because of the difference between spontaneous violence and pre calculated killing which is terrorism Actually I was thinking of very neutral titles such as the violence ones above chucking in all the text from any non NPOV titled articles scattered about they can be smoothed out later and redirecting to the neutral titled articles It should make NPOV easier to maintain I d lose the terrorism pages entirely in the process dumping their text talk into the new articles as we re never going to agree on which acts are terrorism and which are not and you know we re not yeah If the articles just give the facts then we can leave terrorism or not decisions up to the readers Having considered the concept I support it In the text itself we would then have the freedom to describe which actions exactly can be considered terrorism and by whom bloody hell did we just agree on something Uri Will wonders never cease Yes we did agree and I m glad at it I hope it ll be a good beginning for tomorrow I ve got to log out now Changed this Qibya operation carried out among others by Unit 101 under the command of Ariel Sharon is often classified as terrorism It lead to the death of almost 70 civilians Others claim it was not terrorism but a tragic incident during a period of bitter border warfare betw