let me point out first that you re both falling into a very common pattern here I ve seen it a million times in and out of Wikipedia when a dispute is right on the verge of being resolved frustrations and grumpinesses start to rise not from the dispute per se but from the kind of mild insulted feeling that s always a part of having a dispute don t let it get ya DGT the ISBN is 1 58705 040 4 don t worry about a PDF version Jeremy wasn t responding to the discussion that we were having directly but just speaking in general I think if we can all hang in with the Good Faith beliefs for just a little bit more while Lee de commercializes the HTML version we can let this discussion go and move on to bigger and better things Ludwigs2