well i dunno about the praise part i would rather have free beer than another t shirt don t know why you say mortified it s situation normal i m shocked that there is admin bullying going on here and veteran editors will push back inappropriately i saw the huggle study where they gave a warning not to bite newbies and some took that as an invitation to bite more there is clearly an ideological clique that blocks who they can not discourage i m only half way through DNB12 and lot s of loc commonist uploads to do see you at meetups 1