your references are still not objective I can t believe that in your most recent edit you actually cited Tran Van Ba as your reference recieved confirmation from Chancellor Tran Van Ba last Colonel in chief for Emperor Bao Dai that Coat of Arms is correct Tran Van Ba according to his own statements is the person you work for In fact you have been editing from the same computer as Tran Van Ba And we have no evidence other than a large number of computer messages from an E mail address bearing his name that Tran Van Ba is who he says he is and if he is we have no evidence that what he says is true except that he says it How many times do I have to say this Tran Van Ba is not an objective source He is not a book He is not a newspaper He is not a historian He is one of the subjects of the article He has a conflict of interest You also have a conflict of interest since you are apparently employed by him and by the family in question And you expect us to accept your statements as fact simply because you say Tran Van Ba told you so This confirmation is the same as if I said The moon is made of green cheese because my mother who has been to the moon told me so I could provide a million E mails from my mother and that would still not be evidence Your repeated citations of various websites that simply refer to Mr Nguyen as Prince are equally irrelevant They are simply repeating a claim that he has made which has nothing to do with proving what Bao Dai said or did or whether there is a Nguyen coat of arms What you need is even one book or newspaper or magazine article NOT a website that mentions a a Nguyen coat of arms or b Bao Dai bestowing an imperial title on anyone an event that surely would have been recorded by someone at the time You say you are a lawyer If so you understand the meaning of evidence citations and research If so you are insulting our intelligence and attempting to deceive people and I hope you will be banned from Wikipedia soon if you do not simply give up and leave since you seem to have no interest in anything other than this propaganda campaign 16 41 2004 Oct 21 UTC