Can you start a new thread so I don t have to go back between both of you and point out what s wrong with your respective arguments Furthermore are you referring to paper audit trails counted only upon a recount or paper ballots that are actually counted And for the billionth time not only is there no proof that any electronic election has been tampered with there can t be any evidence because electronic voting machines have little to none auditing mechanisms and serious security flaws Thus there isn t any evidence that any electronic evidence was conducted without any manipulation This is what paper trails help to accomplish and is far from a Democratic talking point it s just common sense