dab is doing an admirable job of arguing for the enemy For people who think humans are a biological species that somehow developed spirituality the former applies For people who think that humans are spiritual beings that somehow ended up inside a body the latter applies This captures the essence of the POV problem well Or as I sometimes ask my children Are we monkeys or are we children of God It is a fundamental divergence of definition Yes your taxobox is beautiful and fine and I hope it stays Talk 14 49 30 Sep 2004 UTC