June 2009 UTC Race and this is clear also from the definitions above is irrelevant as a Jew may have no Jewish parents and be equally Jewish as all other Jews Very much like being American or Dutch In case ethnicity is not a result of race it mostly is a result of nationality So apart from Dutch in racial sence the autochtone blond blue eyed Northern Europide sub sub race there is Dutch in the sence of having the Dutch nationality in other words a Dutch passport Maybe there s not a thing like the Jewish nationality any more as the autochtone inhabitants of Judea fled their country when it came to defending it and since then spread all over the world Attempts to get their natural place back have succeeded to a certain extent but as that country now is called Israel the corresponding nationality is called Israelian and not Jewish any more For many years I had an East African born girlfriend whose race is considered different from mine but we both considered ourselves and were considered in our community Jews and as Jews felt particularly comfortable with each other and each other s customs There are also East African born persons who are to a certain extent Jewish in racial sence But if that was nt the case with this person than a question is in how far she s still ethnically Jewish since Gdorb obviously doesn t have that girlfriend any more One doesn t get some ethnicity just by being somebody elses friend for some weeks months or years Ethnicity is an old instrument for disregarding race Why should one use instruments to disregard one s own or somebody else s race Race is a biological reality and in principle there s nothing in it that gives reason to disregard it On the contrary one might say Many if not most people are proud of their race If some prefer to disregard it than a question is for what reason they do There are even older ones affection attraction humanity respect exchange etc and many newer ones and they must all scare the hell out of you This leaves the questions what the newer ones are supposed to be and how they are supposed to scare the hell out of somebody Maybe this sentence even is a very bad sin against the Wp rules and should at least be followed by a warning to the user who committed it it all depends from a nearer explanation which is demanded hereby 15 05 26