StateestcatBC Hi I merged this template with Stateestcat now called The new template now allows for both AD and BC dates using negative years It also handles both established and disestablished categories by checking the page name I had my bot switch all uses from to which I hope is agreeable Would it be alright to delete now I am also thinking of making the core part of this template even more general by creating a template which could be used by the Musical groups established in YYYY series but that is further down the road I can revert or modify what I have done if there is a problem Thanks talk