OK time for me to put my admin hat on it s not red by the way Both of you please stop reverting each other Justin the Backpackers com reference is not remotely a reliable source it should not be in the article Red Hat instead of deleting it I suggest you find a more reliable source e g a book or newspaper article that makes the same point Here is a link to Google Books here is a link to Google News Get searching please and if you find a viable source post it here so that we can form a consensus on it I ll do some searching too to help you out