January 2009 UTC I thought that parts of the bio were moved to the history section and I just didn t want to lose anything with my revert I may have made a mistake Anyway this still looks a little misleading and a lot wordy I ve cleaned up that language to say effectively the same thing with fewer quotation marks made it quite a bit clearer that both the OYD version and the historians version are not represented as 100 certainty added a mention of Yin Yang Doe technically the name according to my understanding for the line of Moo Doe that s claimed for Oom Yung Doe since it s a Chinese line up until John C Kim s generation and moved the line about starting training at age 7 to the bio since it didn t fit in the lineage section any more with all those edits 01 23 15