June 2009 UTC S Paliga also of the Urbian theory which has something to it though is known for or was that file of his that I read was from like 2003 I read it in early 05 wild claims in his etymologies such as du man deriving from Thracian when it certainly derives from Turkish then from Persian ancient Greek Dusmenes being a cognate to the Indo Aryan forms A very different and very careful and scientific fellow is Olteanu his LTDM site and I m waiting for him to list the attestations of Byzas Byzes and whatever etymologies are considered likely I found mention in a Greek inscription at Olympia Greece of a Byzes of Naxos Island so I don t even know at the moment whether it can safely be said that the name is Thracian I m a careful researcher again dude that buzunara buze stuff was Paliga s idea If you re an ex admin now that s too bad 10 55 12