Drmies thinks four different spellings birth and stage names in Hangul and romanization is too much and he thinks birth dates are irrelevant and unreliably sourced because you can t trust the entertainment companies the source of this information There isn t a single place on Wikipedia where such lists have anything but name and instrument At best you find a range of dates for when they were in a band You never find birthdates So basically you guys want every to comply to your standards Yet again I see many of you comparing Kpop to Western pop groups Wikipedia is a free editing space for everyone If fans want to include birth dates and positions and such then so be it It should not be up to a circle group of users to decide what and what does not go he thinks birth dates are irrelevant and unreliably sourced because you can t trust the entertainment companies the source of this information Give me an example I have never seen such a thing Only weights and height are infamously unreliable in kpop Not every member of a specific group is notable enough to have their own page Therefore basic things such as birthdates hangeul romanization and basic group positions should be listed in a table