your debate on the dana jacobson article i totally agree with your point of view about wiki article editors i can t stand when someone continully reverts my additions to an article for no good reason i see no reason why common knowledge facts are deemed inadmissible to wiki let s say i add to the barack obama article the he was recently elected president of the united states but i don t cite a source does that make it untrue no but some wiki jackass will remove it for not being a sourced statement drives me nuts try to add paris hilton has herpes to the paris hilton article it won t last 10 minutes even though EVERYONE knows the tramp has the herp and if you are told that wikipedia is NOT a reliable source for citation in an article then why are so many people so concerned about citing sources to make wiki more accurate it s stated in the wiki rules that wiki is not a reliable source of info anyway