Is he My point is that we all know he thinks that the models don t correspond with reality but it isn t obvious if that is what he means by that specific quote He doesn t say the models don t correspond with reality he says the models aren t reality There s a big difference between them the latter statement could just as easily be uttered by someone who feels that the models do correspond with reality Regardless of whether one feels that a certain model corresponds with reality or not it is a truism that the model isn t reality or evidence for that matter