Santur masters Kamkar s No one is disputing that the Kamkar s are great musicians Wikipedia has a path to include a Notable Musicians which has to have a certain amount of achievements to be characterized and included Mattijoon since you seem to be an expert on the subject why don t you add the kamkar s to the notable musicians list in wikipedia so they can be added to the list of Santur players and your comment Sadeghi who as expat is famous out of Iran First of all you need to learn English before coming online and making dumb statements Sadeghi is NOT an expat and he is considered the Grand Master of the Santur Why because he is the last of Saba s students who is still alive performing and continues to teach at least not by the Persian musicians I know which musicians do you know name them Persian pop singers don t count There is a lot of hate and animosity on this page both from Iraqi people who have been battling the historical origin of the PERSIAN SANTUR and from Persian santur players who are upset because they can t fill out the required fields to include themselves in the notable musician sections probably because they haven t achieved what they need to be included MANOOCHEHR SADEGHI WILL ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED GREATEST SANTUR PLAYER OF ALL TIME NO ONE HAS EVER SURPASSED HIS TECHNIQUE SPEED OR STYLE BOTH IN PERSIAN CLASSICAL AND IN IMPROVISATIONAL MUSIC THAT MAY BOTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NEGATIVE AND DECIDE TO COME ON HERE AND MAKE STUPID COMMENTS BUT THE TRUTH HURTS AND IT S SAD THAT WE ARE ARGUING OVER MUSIC AND MUSICIANS CONFUCIUS SAID IF YOU DON T HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY STICK A CORK IN IT