Sarah I m finding your approach to discussion on Ireland related talk pages uncivil unconstructive and abusive Please stop bad mouthing your fellow editors and obscuring discussion Please try to engage in some real discussion with a mind to compromise consensus and resolving disputes not winning them This not only relates to the current matter of whether country should appear in the lead section but across the board for your contributions and has been a long held opinion of mine and of others Sony I find the approach of yourself and the other 3 you refer to arrogant and dictatorial applying one set of rules on POV NPA NPV to yourselves and another to those who disagree with you The Ireland article is a classic rather than address the points I have just made I get more insults I find your approach uncivil nonconstructive and abusive It seems to me that a small group on established editors regard themselves as the sole interpreters of ALL the Wiki rules and polices on just about everything Do you want me to go back say two months and produce a compendium of the things this group of yourself and some others have said about me and btw some very non consensus and non polite and non assume good faith things about other editors apart from myself You throw around accusations of abuse while being abusive you charge others with not seeking consensus while imposing your view and making up the rules to suit the article you re latest charge in a long string Please stop bad mouthing your fellow editors and obscuring discussion If you want examples of bad mouthing just read your own post above Obscuring discussion Far from it I am opening up discussion where you wish to close off all avenues that don t lead to you winning This is NOT about winning It is about reducing pov and bias from some Wiki Articles especially the one titled Republic of Ireland a bias which some editors apparently don t want to see You CANNOT simply say that in the case of NI ambiguity is fine in the case of RoI it is totally unacceptable Address THAT point rather than engage in yet more abuse personal attacks and impoliteness