OK I m sorry if I missed your other point It s just that I ve been trying to follow this discussion for several days and it might actually be better if everybody used bullet points the horror rather than discursive paragraphs I didn t mean to single you out I m just as irritated with Isarig s style as I am with yours However I think Isarig does have a point until we actually check what the facts are it s one person s claim against another person s claim This doesn t mean Cole is a liar or incompetent it s just that in the in the course of collecting the references WP needed to support statements in WP this particular piece is not available Now granted I agree presumption is heavily on Cole s side here and if he is wrong this should be very easy to prove as you say if he were wrong this would be very embarrassing But this kind of reasoning though useful for some purposes is not sufficient to justify this presumption for WP Imagine that we were talking about the validity of some mathematical formula Until a widely accepted justification is published I don t care who says it s true we can t claim it s true But maybe this point is moot anyway since we re not actually talking about changing the article