Thanks Malleus I see you have done a lot of work on Simon Byrne today Thanks for that I appreciate it I won t be joining in the FARC fun myself the instigator is already spoiling for a fight and I ve been there too many times and have too many T shirts to prove it I see my goal at Wikipedia these days as raising dull old stubs to half decent pages rather than spending ages arguing ascendingly pedantic points over already half decent pages with those too lazy or too stupid to insert the latest requirement and whim themselves It s always a complete mystery to me that with so many truly dreadful pages to chose from people who consider themselves intelligent choose to spend years of their lives trawling Wikipedia finest in order to nit pick rather than doing something useful and constructive Very sad