OK I would like to work together with you to eliminate hundreds of old templates but I wasn t sure how you viewed the situation You seem more agreeable than I had thought before Rare templates Col 7 Col 1 of 7 There are numerous small templates trying to avoid direct wikitable coding However I feel that these templates are excessive as listed in Template Col begin doc For 5 column table For 6 column table For 7 column table I would like to start an effort to remove those 21 templates and probably others In my opinion people should be learning how to code and customize wikitables with the direct symbols bars and rather than create so many confusing templates If people want to indicate column 3 of 5 then they should put a comment at each column as rather than have a template named for each situation What do think about reducing all the various 50 table templates which mask wikitable coding It seems like an easy way to remove 21 or more templates