11 January 2007 UTC Nah I disagree First of course subjective means anecdotal How else would you be able to describe the effects of drugs It is not as though a person who takes a hallucinogen for example can provide objective video proof of the hallucinations they say they saw We just have to take their word for it Further nobody really disputes that the effects of salvinorin are dissociative A dissociative is a type of drug that consistently meets a particular subjective description that includes Salvinorin just as the word blue can refer to thousands of unique shades of color all of which are different but still blue It s not clear cut as say whether or not the Salvinorin molecule contains a nitrogen atom in which case it either does or it does not Until someone prominently espouses a point of view that Salvinorin is not a dissociative then let s not be so picky It s a dissociative 04 45