I generally agree with you that ignoring theoreticals is the best way to proceed but your position on WP V is hard for me to comprehend I m just trying to establish the parameters Anyway probably you and I aren t going to get any further on this with just the two of us How about if we let the question sit here for a week or so to see if others weigh in and if we don t get any further input or there s no way to discern consensus we publicize the discussion in some agreed on manner