Brewing distilling caste This edit removes what appears to me to be a valid category Whether it was toddy or jaggery surely this means that they were involved in brewing distilling The fact that it may no longer be their primary occupation is completely irrelevant as far as I know brewing is something relevant to fermentation U get jaggery by boiling the sap and making it coarse u get toddy by brewing the same sap nadars were mostly involved in the production of jaggery sugar hard grave 24 137 sorry not pg136 And even if the tag is appropriate in anyway it will fit into nadar climber article rather than the nadar main as toddy tapping is not the traditional occupation of some nadars As far as jaggery goes that is my mistake sorry However I ve just done a quick GBooks search and there are plenty of refs at least 1500 to Nadar toddy tappers Furthermore as you say we have an entire article on Nadar climbers Therefore the category is appropriate here it seems clear that a fair proportion of the community was traditionally involved in toddy tapping yes there r many books but few r anthropological as I already said the climbers who lived as minorities where a few palmrya tree grew had to make toddy due to the unavailability of trees whereas the climbers of southern tirunelveli had proper resources to manufacture jaggery jaggery trade actually made the nadars prosperous So only a minority were involved in toddy trade similarly u can t group them under land lord caste category just because of the nadan subsect think it wud be better to add the tag to the climber article going out now bye for now Partying again Let s see what others think omg now we need to listen to caste warriors there are many on wikipedia nadars were historically a backward and socially downtrodden community their social status was low because of their invovlvement with toddy tapping which is taboo in the agama shastras they were not allowed to worship in the brahmin temples which makes them outcastes avarnas Even the socially high Vellalarcaste and the related Thevar caste who worship in brahmin temples could only get the tag of Sat Shudra clean shudras the pretensions of the nadar to higher social status continues even to this day kaumudi temple case etc are well documented the nadar who were previously known as shanar changed their name to nadar just to avoid their toddy tapping tag the word shanar is pretty derogatory in tamil as far as i know Between i want some comments on the lead why is this person Shiv Nadar whoever he is being singled out as a symbol of the community s progress looks Undue does he identify with the caste being born in it is not enough i am sure other indian castes and communities will have number of billionaires not one also this statement in the lead looks absolutely ridiculous to me The Nadars today are a powerful community 14 They are financially very strong and are also politically influential in the Southern districts of Tamil Nadu 15 both the citations are actually related to tamil nad mercantile bank one even says that the Nadars were predominantly toddy tappers who have became traders This is selective quoting of citations and some are wrong quoatations The tone of the article is also something which is not neutral Ps the category stays i am adding it back as sitush approves s it is a big deal ther r are only two billionaires from tamilnadu n one of them is a nadar and s it must be in the lead Preceding unsigned comment added by Please read WP DUE and WP LEAD Then explain to me how a single billionaire from the community is somehow representative of it This is not about what your opinion but rather that of the wider community Your