I don t understand what you are getting at Carville dissed Beck The Beck dissed him and said I like it is because it is an easy gateway to the founders and It is the best book out there on the founding of the country that is digestible He then mentions that books mention how a couple of presidents ruined the country but he would rather read Leap He also makes fun of the left alot but that has nothing to do with the book By the way if you have the date of the show we can cite episode without a URL to the video transcript would be nice though