Yeah I think I ll suggest unclear as a compromise A recurring problem to me at least is that the page is so lively that the issue gets thoroughly ignored and I don t want to double post I ll just start a third topic about it And now there s Tarhuna I don t trust Voice of Russia as it doesn t take me very long to find the numerous examples of their bias on Libya for example a typical commentary from them not to mention that their general following judging from the people who fblike them tends to be Russophiles and Western communists many of whom seem to be pro Gaddafi judging from wall picture statements on their facebook profiles though for the record I wouldn t put Voice of America on Wikipedia as a source either though I suppose there s little I can do because it would come off as WP IDONTLIKEIT aside from OR exactly what Fovezer and the others are in my opinion guilty of with regard to Msallata Thanks for your input anyhow