Dave Carter Did you really suggest as claims here that WikiNews is acceptable for verifiability purposes To me it looks like a wiki which is explictly disallowed by WP RS and I have never heard of it having a reputation for fact checking and accuracy to quote WP V I fail to see what has changed when the WikiNews article was created except that someone posted something on a wiki based on what someone else posted on another wiki There seems to be a flagrant violation of the principle of verifiability not truth Every time I say this I am told that this doesn t matter because the fact in question is true which seems to me to miss the whole point of those three bolded words