Archives Please do not edit archived pages If you want to react to a statement made in a archived discussion please make a new header on THIS page Archives Archives have been recently merged Archive 1 1068 kb 1 068 mb Archive 2 108 kb Fadix Analysis Fadix Analysis 575 kb Adding comments as a preface to an existing chain may appear presumptuous however I would like to add a frame of reference to the ensuing discussion Germany was plunged into an economic political and social abyss after World War I which created the opportunity for nazism to flourish leading to World War II and subsequently to the Jewish Holocaust the genocide of gypsies etc The international community starting from the trials at Nuremburg has never allowed and rightly so the destitute and depressed condition of the German people to be used as a mitigating circumstance to soften the vehement often confrontational and always powerful condemnation of the atrocities committed in Nazi Germany The German people as a nation have never used their baggage i e post WWII economic depression outcast status in Europe political instability as a reason for shoving denialist and apologist rhetoric down Jewish throats Denying the Holocaust would be unfathomable no one would suggest any legitimate reasons to deny it So what makes it acceptable to look for legitimate reasons to deny the Armenian genocide Respectfully A N Why don t you give a country the right to defense itself from accusations that are far beyond any credible facts In the article is written such nonsense like that the red crescent killed armeniens with morphium injections and gassed and burned armenian children Thank you By the way do you know Sabiha G kcen why don t you write an article about her To make clear that the turks did and do not hate armenians Turks are not racist that would make in no way any sense because turkey is a multiethnic country The turkish nationalism is not based on race but on patriotism That is the difference between the racistic armenian nationalism and it was the armenian racist nationalism that led to this catastrophe She was the first female war fighter pilot in the world She was Armenian In the turkish army And she is treaten like a hero in Turkey an airport in Istanbul is also named after her But don t dare to mention her name in armenian forums Greetings from Turkey Whether Sabiha Gokcen was Armenian or not which doesn t mean any difference to me was highly debated in 2004 I have Turkish references supporting both claims and when I have time I will translate them and add them into Sabiha Gokcen article Cans n 1 41 20 May 2005 UTC Recent Developments on The Freedom of Speech Issue Ironically the following developments have occured just after the we discussed about freedom of speech in Turkey on the Armenian issue Belgian parliament passed a new law that classified denial of Armenian genocide as a crime with a penalty of 1 to 12 months of imprisonment French socialists proposed a similar law to the French Parliament A Swiss court granted an arrest warrant for Yusuf Halaco lu a Turkish historian and bureocrat for rejecting the genocide claims