Viridias s misrepresentations I am not aware of any source that says Hitler took sundry remedies for flatulence brought on by his vegetarianism This story of Hitler as a vegetarian has the look and feel of an apocryphal folk tale intended to turn Hitler into a spiritual figure according to Payne s opinion represented in the article an opinion that the proposers are using to bolster their argument for a move You re engaging in the fallacy of rotten apples by claiming Payne is an unreliable source about Hitler s diet simply because he made an error about a separate incident that has nothing to do with his observations about Hitler s diet We already have other sources indicating Hitler ate sausages ham and caviar between 1931 1945 If you wanted to refute Payne all you would have to do is show that Hitler didn t drink beer or wine eat sausages or caviar or keep a mistress You can t do that so you are reduced to attacking his credibility on a different subject which is essentially distracting us from the issue at hand Historian Robert N Proctor supports the notion that Hitler ate meat so Payne isn t alone in questioning the perception of Hitler s vegetarianism over the reality of his fondness for eating meat Payne s claim that Hitler s asceticism played an important part in the image he projected over Germany is also followed up on by Proctor Hitler s vegetarianism was remarked on prior even to 1933 however when the F hrer to be s personal asceticism was held up as the model Nazi lifestyle Foreigners eventually took note recording also some apparent backsliding Otto D Tolischus in 1937 in the New York Times pointed out that the F hrer was a vegetarian who does not drink or smoke but who also occassionally relishes a slice of ham along with delicacies such as caviar and chocolates Postwar observers have often and understandably used this to question whether Hitler was in fact a vegetarian Hitler was indeed for the most part a vegetarian though he did occassionally allow himself a dish of meat Gestapo chief Rudolf Diels after the war wrote that HItler would sometimes eat Bavarian liver dumplings Leberkn del but only when they were prepared by his photographer friend Heinrich Hoffmann The New York Times mentioned ham and caviar but HItler was also said to have enjoyed squab Hitler is said to have been unable to tolerate the idea of animals being killed for human consumption but at least one author has countered that this was an image deliberately crafted to popularize the German leader as kind and gentle Animal rights historians Arnold Arluke and Boria Sax have noted that both claims may be true It therefore appears that Payne s claims remain intact and the notion that there is a legitimate dispute over Hitler s vegetarianism is repeated by a respected historian of science This is essentially what is driving the editors who are asking for a change of article name and it appears to be a complaint backed by evidence not unreliable fringe sources as you maintain As I said above you respond by simply producing Walls of Text designed to bludgeon editors into silence and you do so by systematically misrepresenting sources and also misrepresenting what other editors have said in order to create fake answers I find this approach to dealing with any topic morally and intellectually repugnant as it stops proper debate and proper evaluation of sources All you care about is looking like a winner on a talk page no matter what cheap tricks you use Even your first sentence has no relevance to anything I am not aware of any source that says Hitler took sundry remedies for flatulence brought on by his vegetarianism Yes he took remedies fotr flatulence Whether it was specifically brought on by his vegetarianism is arguable but wholly irrelevant Agument by misdirection Payne is unreliable in this matter beause he is a potboiler biographer not an expert but also because this and other books of his are known to contain egregious errors That is one of the ways we determine reliability Payne is simply talking crap when he says that Hitler s vegetarianism was a fiction invented by Goebbels If Hitler tucked into Steak and Kindney pies every night he might have an argument but the fact that his diet was vegetarian is a reality commented upon by nume