I guess your mind is closed because you keep repeating the same mantra without addressing the issue This topic is one of several on Wikipedia all related all being manipulated by the same people all basing their ideas on Johnson s books promoted by the DI with everything paid for by Howard Ahmanson Jr The trouble with zealots is that they view everyone else as the enemy and they can not see that they have become the same type of closed minded person as the one that they are attacking Osama and Howard Ahmanson Jr both have deep pockets to push their ideas In Texas there is a saying that money talks and bullshit walks but the trouble is that when money has taken the place of reason then only the dung is left and to me it makes no difference if Osama or Howard Ahmanson Jr dropped it because dung is dung and it stinks