Third opinions serve as a way of getting a bit more consensus when it s just two users going back and forth without any real consensus I joined the discussion when the page was listed for a third opinion My place in the discussion is irrelevant it s no different than if I had randomly stumbled upon the page and joined the conversation Wikipedia allows all editors the ability to do that If you want somewhere else to go try RfC I m not really willing to moderate as this whole page is incredibly frustrating to me To be honest John you re not being helpful Weren t you just banned for 24 hours for disruptive editing I m sorry but I can t work with an editor who s not willing to work towards a compromise I ve gotten so lost in the endless debate that I don t even know what the original focus is anymore But that s neither here nor there I m going to wait to see how the AfD is resolved