That worked Thanks I m going to rewrite most of my userpage so I may add a link to my sandbox on there So now more questions How do you do the userboxes I have a few that I ve seen the formats for but I m not sure about all the others Is there some place where I could just look through all of them As an extension of that how did you create the separate page with your userboxes Also how do you use the talkback thing I think it s incredibly useful BTW I did go vote for JulianColton He sounds like he knows what he s doing Thanks for helping