I will re read the whole thread and consider the points made That has been my intention and I ve been thinking about how to respond and driving home from work of all times to be thinking about Doris Day a couple of thoughts came together for me so I will comment on the talk page I ll comment here as you did about the personal aspect Yes I do see both sides and I think it can be resolved I don t think Wildhartlivie s comment about context contradicts your point of view so I do not think you re are coming at it from opposite viewpoints It would be truer I think to say that you are not aligned And I am not aligned either One phrase that I think is significant from Wildhartlivie s comment is relevant content should either be incorporated in a meaningful way into the article or removed and I don t see that as her saying that she wants the content deleted but rather that it has not yet been presented in a manner that she finds acceptable If I m reading her comment correctly I think that s a fair stance and it leaves the door open for further discussion I accept your apology regarding the tag team comment As you may have noticed on the talk page I said I didn t know quite what to make of it It was a jarring comment in what I thought was an otherwise thoughtful exchange I didn t like it I have to say but I was more disappointed than offended and I was prepared to accept that the meaning I took from it may not have been intended by you You ve confirmed that and from my point of view there is no problem and it s done with I appreciate that you mentioned it here It s interesting that there could be that perception of us tag teaming and I understand it It may well appear that way but you ve recognised the truth of it and that is simply that we are friends We ve edited a lot of same articles under WP ACTOR and have similar attitudes and senses of humour it s not surprising that we gravitate towards each other On the other hand there are articles that I care deeply about that Wildhartlivie cares about not at all so I m often found at those articles saying my piece minus Wildhartlivie and similarly there are numerous articles that she cares deeply about that do not interest me at all I m sure you are correct in saying that Wildhartlivie has alerted me to the renewal of discussion because she believes I may take the same view as she has taken but considering that I started that discussion and have commented at length my opinion is already on record Your message also suggests what you expect of me There s not a huge difference in expectation really especially as both of you have a reasonable idea of what I may say I don t mind anyone suggesting what they think I should say as long as they re prepared to take the risk that I might surprise them by not saying what they expected I don t see any problem with it and that s just the way people communicate After all no reasonable person would think hmmm that editor really really disagrees with everything I say and is just so hard to get along with Better get him into the discussion right away so that I can have my views shot to smithereens I mean who on earth would do that Not me that s for sure I m glad you left this message I will comment on the Doris talk page