Thanks Abd for your thoughts much of which I agree with and much of which I had already thought of but hadn t expressed However I really think this is not just minor and technical To me the connotations at least of the two phrases are quite different and perhaps the meaning If I were Jayjg I would be quite annoyed at having such a phrase attributed to me which I didn t say especially since it s being used as a basis for an accusation of saying something he allegedly very much ought not to have said Such annoyance in itself can detract significantly from progress I m trying to untangle this discussion and the way I see forward is to clarify meanings and remove unnecessary annoyances Anyone can misquote by accident when it s pointed out one should correct it If the quotation marks were not intended to indicate direct quotation of Jayjg but something else what I think MeteorMaker should say so What if this were a quote from a source What if the source actually said It corresponds roughly to the northern portion of the modern West Bank territory and an editor said of this using quotation marks This source says Samaria is now called northern West Bank Once could argue that the two phrases are equivalent One could argue that they are not What if someone else said Hey you ve used quotation marks but the words you ve given are not the same as the words in the source and the other person replied If you honestly think it s inappropriate to condense It corresponds roughly to the northern portion of the modern West Bank territory to This source says Samaria is now called northern West Bank kindly indicate in what way the meaning has been changed What if the other editors didn t have access to the original source or didn t bother checking it because they trusted the person who was presenting a quote That s not the way to build an encyclopedia and accusing Jayjg of extremely bad faith assumptions lying etc for using a phrase which he didn t use is not the way to collaborate with other editors I ve asked MeteorMaker to assume good faith and to try to understand why Jayjg said what he said stating that he said something different and which in my opinion would be more difficult to understand or justify is a step in the opposite direction and a step which there is no good reason for taking