Good Faith Shalom Loremaster This is a big thing to ask that I assume good faith regarding OvadYah This editor has been quite deceptive during this enite debate First he was attempting to pass as a NPOV a few archinved pages ago but I do not believe this can any longer be hid Look at the exchange that took place right before you asked me to assume good faith were he states I have never heard of Shemayah Phillips claiming for himself more than the title of Paqid which is basically a secretary or clerk By contrast the claims of your leader are exceedingly pretentious and he was also excommunicated from the Ebionite Jewish Community I guess that s why you folks loathe Shemayah so much huh Given this statment what would you understand it to mean I went to his site and searched for the term Paqid it says the term is irrelevent and it realy means President not only that but this office of President can be handed down to sucsessors like a Monarchy This offices makes him the desider of all things Ebionite in his little world This sounds like a type of Priory of Sion situation given Yeshua said to not even call another man teacher but all should be taught by the christ I E Anointing which by the way has nothing to do with oil being poured on your head In the above statment he tries to minumize this and then call Allan my leader All I can say is i ve been in Allans fourms for over 3 years and he s never ordered anyone to do anything Then he says Allan was Excommunicated or some nonsence like that Would nt you have to be converted before your excommunicated If the EC will tell you of Ebionites proper if asked regarding someones standing as thier President says at his site then they must have records of the rituals practised at converson like circumsision I would LOVE to see reconds of that converson This editor is relating the joining of a online fourm to being converted to thier religion If you are kicked off the fourm your Excommunicated In that sence one of the wikipedia Editors is now a member in autoplasty from our group because one joined and then left read my talk page and see the person that asked to join he joinded shortly afterward he asked me to accept him to the fourm and then he left in a few days If you message him and ask I dought he thinks he ever converted and accepted Allan as a Leader I dought he would think he did LOL However this is the type foolishness directed as us i m to take with good faith I did assume good faith when I called him ignorant because if these things were knowingly done it would be diobolical