Re DYKsuggestion format Hi Politizer just wondering about the output of your DYKsuggestion template I notice for example that for the Zhao Zongru hook the template is outputting the following creator Nlu creator2 creator3 creator4 expander expander2 expander3 nominator comment image credits DYKmake Zhao Zongru Nlu I can t really see the point in all this Once DYKsuggestion has outputted the credit string ie DYKmake Zhao Zongru Nlu why do we need all the rest It seems redundant and it takes up a lot of space Also we are experiencing increasing problems with loading times for the page so the less text the better One other thing I ve noticed your code outputs this whole DYKsuggestion thing in brackets Is there a reason for that I can t see why they are needed I agree with you that now that we have the credit templates created there s not a whole lot of reason to output the rest I know Suntag for example likes having all of that output because he says it makes it easier to see who s who and easier to modify things if you need to ie if the nominator forgot to credit someone or if you want to add an image or something I agree with that to a point but if the size is beginning to create page load problems then we should at least find a happy medium I guess My dream has been to get the DYKsug template working in such a way that it calls but only with the parameters that the person actually filled in so the output for Nlu s nom above would be more like creator Nlu credits DYKmake Zhao Zongru Nlu I ve been having a bitch of a time getting that to work it looks like it should be a simple matter of putting in some if expressions but I haven t had any luck yet I asked Ameliorate to look into it a while back but I think he was away at the time so I might try nudging him her again or getting in touch with Lifebaka who has also helped out with the template As for why the code outputs DYKsuggestion in brackets well it gets a little confusing even for me because I didn t create the template top down like I should have but put things together piece by piece making changes when a problem came up etc so right now it s thrown together a bit randomly But basically subst ing the template made the output really ugly what you see on the page looks beautiful but what you see in the edit window is horrible see here for an example So part of the reason the DYKsuggestion stuff is generated in templates is because that template is always transcluded rather than subst ed when it s first called On the other hand DYKsug the template on the outside that calls it is always subst ed the main reason for this is because if a template is transcluded the section edit link it creates on the right hand side of the page would cause you to be editing the template itself rather than the section on T TDYK so we needed the outside template to be subst ed to create a working section edit link as well as a few little things the credits templates and a timestamp that stays the same as it was when you first made the nom as well as an inside template that would never be subst ed because the code it would produce is horrible Anyway I agree with you that something needs to be done especially if the template is starting to affect load times Personally I think the best thing for now is to get to only output the fields that the nominator actually filled in if you think that s a good idea I can start asking around for some help unfortunately I will be traveling and visiting friends for the next two weeks or so starting today so I might not have a good chance to devote a couple hours to template work If you don t think that s good enough we can go back to the drawing board and see what else can be done As a super temporary fix I can go into T TDYK now and delete some of the extra unused text manually just to get the loadtimes back to normal for a couple days