Lead Moved from Talk Nondualism Sunyata I see you have the same issues at the Madhyamaka article The whole lede is incorrect there Would we not simply employ the simplex meaning emptiness for nyat and then expand upon that word s meaning further Vic we know you don t like the Gelugs unfortunately they exist and they are quite present in this world What additional info would you suggest based on which sources The Madhyamaka lede is not even Gelug view It is just weird stuff Vic I ve heard you Please what s the alternative from which sources In the Madhyamaka lede I would replace the second and third sentence with Nagarjuna and Chandrakirti emphasize that all phenomena are without arising and ceasing Reference is Center of the Sunlit Sky page 587 End of moved part