No no The term Hokkien is what we define it to be In everyday usage it refers to the Amoy dialect or the Quanzhou Zhangzhou area dialect You re basically taking two definitions and confusing them with each other For example Beijing can refer to either the urban area of Beijing or the municipality of Beijing So taken in one sense Beijing and Shunyi are separate while in another sense Shunyi is a part of Beijing So you can t say if Shunyi is outside Beijing how can you say Shunyi is inside Beijing Shunyi is outside URBAN Beijing but inside Beijing MUNICIPALITY Similarly Teochew is outside Hokkien in the colloquial sense just the Amoy dialect but inside Hokkien in another less common sense the entire Min Nan group July 7 2005 03 37 UTC