30 June 2011 UTC Ok no problem But I do not see the need to repeat Luke given that Wikisource has it but that was minor But is there another reference beside Salza given that he is no von Balthasar and has never had any official training in theology Now how about the paragraph above that the one that starts Scott Hahn states that the ratification and affirmation Does anyone apart from Hahn say that Or is he the only one 06 31