From Talk Taiwan Someone closed the discussion at Talk Taiwan rightly so I suppose since it had little to do with Taiwan but I think the discussion was not over so I ve copied part of it here I can stop now and will so long as the silliness from Midcent stops But please note that the silliness is not just here He or some other anonymous editor I obviously can not be sure due to the absence of sigs chose to post a mass of garbage on So who is being provocative I will say that I know that what I m doing is provocative and quite deliberate at times I don t believe in niceness for the sake of it when absolute but terribly nice bullshit is being posted That usually achieves nothing The problem with Midcent or those other anonymous editors is that he is an incompetent editor He doesn t understand normal Wikipedia practices ignores advice and thus disrupts in ignorance It s the ignoring advice bit that probably irks me the most Midcent is not signing but unfortunately he seems to be right that there is no rule saying he has to Midcent does make arguments that I disagree with but even if you are correct that his arguments are silly or moronic Wikipedia doesn t have rules against silly moronic arguments either I find him annoying but as far as I can tell his actions are in bounds based on Wikipedia rules But HiLo48 your actions are not Quoting WP CIVIL Incivility consists of one of more of the following behaviors personal attacks rudeness disrespectful comments and aggressive behaviours when such behavior disrupts the project and leads to unproductive stressors and conflict Editors make mistakes so a few minor incidents of incivility are not in themselves a major concern However an unfolding pattern of incivility is disruptive and unacceptable If incivility becomes harassment or egregious personal attacks then it may result in blocks Calling a person fool moron and idiot is clearly a personal attack I don t think I need to detail other ways you ve been incivil I will however violate one of the civility rules and tell you to grow up Dealing with annoying people is part of life and overreacting just gets you into trouble In real life when someone says you re stupid you can ignore them making that person look stupid or you can punch the person out and get dragged away by the police making yourself look stupid Let me quote WP CIVIL again In general be understanding and non retaliatory in dealing with incivility If others are uncivil be understanding people do say things when they get upset rather than judgmental and do not respond in kind If necessary point out gently that you think the comment might be considered uncivil and make it clear that you want to move on and focus on the content issue Now you and I and Berlinsquare have pointed out to Midcent that we think his behavior is annoying I ve pointed out to you that I think you re behavior is uncivil Let s all try to move on Only take things to dispute resolution see below if there is an ongoing problem you can t resolve I m hoping it doesn t come to that One more point Berlinsquare hints that Midcent may be baiting a taunting or baiting deliberately pushing others to the point of breaching civility even if not seeming to commit such a breach themselves He may be right but still All editors are responsible for their own behavior in cases of baiting a user who is baited is not excused by that if they attack in response With all due respect I call that post pointless bullshit It s as if you haven t read my post immediately above at all I read your post before I wrote my response I wrote the response because you wrote I can stop now and will so long as the silliness from Midcent stops The point is as I notice Buster Seven is also trying to explain to you you have to remain civil even when the other guy doesn t If you remain civil and Midcent continues to be annoying then perhaps you can lead a civil discussion of how we can deal with his behavior But so long as you continue to overreact it is your behavior not his that will be the focus negative attention