6 June 2013 UTC It pains me to admit it but I agree with Ranze on some of this I missed just why the Prison section was removed On the other hand it is music to my ears to hear guys complaining about a double standard after a few weeks of it after cramming one down everyone s throats for several thousand years But the issue about Men s rights versus Men s rights movement versus how ever this topic is named is the one about sources As soon as an article such as this gets created a plague of red linkers show up and start quoting blogs and newsletters and all sorts of unusable sources I suggest that folks who wish to do so start an article on someone s user page and do whatever seems to cover the topic and then publish it In my opinion what men need to do is take a hard honest look at where their suffering is coming from because I totally believe that they will come to recognize that it is not from feminists but from other men who profit from those sufferings 22 19