I was just saying that in the relatively few contacts that I have had with these two editors TG actually listened and accepted my observations changes But obviously I am not following this editor around to all the articles he s working on so I don t have the full picture Considering the vehemence and pointy behaviour that I have witnessed so far I agree with Sitush s comments about a topic ban for both of them as they appear to be highly antagonistic and Sitush is right in saying that it will drive people away I have far better things to do on WP than get involved in DR ANI reports and so on I get the feeling that uninvolved editors will get dragged into taking sides which is obviously to the contrary of a collegial NPOV atmosphere for working on articles