TFD if you read any serious work on the political history of the mainstream left you ll learn that the reformist current of socialism broke away in the late 1800s to early 1900s with the European Social Democratic parties completely severing their links to Marxist theory by the mid 20th century and I d thought that this was common knowledge to those familiar with the field The Social Democratic current which largely no longer self identifies as socialist regardless whether some parties remain in the Socialist International or not advocates a reformed capitalism with a large welfare state alongisde the democratic institutions condemned by the traditional Marxist left as bourgeois democracy traditional socialism asks for the replacement of capitalism by a fundamentally different system and expresses disdain for the institutions of bourgeois democracy If there are specific parties or groups you would like to discuss I am completely willing to go along but please point them out by name as you ve been very vague in your last couple of posts