Armenian Genocide Am I missing this Why isn t it included Please leave note on my Discussion page thanks Because it happened before the Genocide Convention and is an alleged genocide See the section and the main article Genocide in history where many other alledged genocides and genocides are listed The only reason it is considered alleged is because modern day Turkey and its exclaves deny it The majority of the western academic world accepts and defines it as genocide It certainly should be listed particularly seeing as how it was used as an example in coining the word see Raphael Lemkin There was no international tribunal to try the perpetrators Those who were tried were tried under domestic laws and as there was no such offence as genocide at that time so if they were found guilty they were found guilty of other crimes There should not be any listing of the genocide here because it is covered in the Genocide in history and it is only an alleged genocide given that there was no guilty verdict handed down by an international tribunal The perpetrators of the Holocaust were not found guilty of Genocide but of crimes against humanity but they were found guilty by an international tribunal of those crimes I think it better that only incidents where people are found guilty of Genocide are listed in this article Those incidents before the Convention or incidents where there was not a trial are listed in the article Genocide in history as it stops this article being the focus of POV wars Talat Enver and Cemal all fled turkey before they could be tried under any court though a Turkish military tribunal did try them in abstentia and find them guilty of war crimes and all were killed Enver in Russia Talat in Germany and Cemal in Georgia within 7 years Just because the guilty parties fled justice and because the Turkish tribunal is not international does not mean these events did not occur If the League of Nations which had only been established only a year before Tallat s death had managed to apprehend these war criminals then it surely would have found them guilty The fact that a national court the very nation they had controlled found them guilty should be worth something Although the information given in the article is the academic and judicial meaning of genocide some critics are ultimately political Cemal Pasha found guilty by the Ottoman Empire not because of he interfered any mass killing but beause he provoked the ethnic Arabs for a rebellion movement The other misleading point is their murders Cemal Pasha was murdered by Armenian paralimilitary groups in Tbilisi on 22nd July 1922 Talat Pasha was killed by an Armenian named Sogomon Tehliryan in Germany in 1921 and Enver Pasha was killed in Tajikistan on the 4th of August 1922 in battlefield G rer 17 08 07 VATG s Edits I have posted the following message on VATG s User Page I can appreciate it that you have a personal point of view about using the term Armenian genocide However outside of Turkey and some smally dennier communities the Armenian genocide is widely accepted as a term referring to events in Turkey during WWI Your single minded attempt to remove any reference to Armenia and the Armenians from the Genocide page and Genocide denial page is not helpful and should be stopped It not I will proceed with the next steps for stopping such practice I would appreciate any suggestions re next steps VAGT s reply Your attitude is a good indication of how the truth is suppressed all over by a wealthy and aggressive propaganda machine It is you who should stop abusing Wikipedia by inserting your falsified allegations You are most welcome to create distortions in you own web sites The Armenians must face with their history and prevent further sufferings in our region because of puppets of contemporary imperialists Peace at home peace in the World Wikipedia is not free web space for promoting unfounded theories VAGT and if you want to be heard you will have to make a valid point on the talk page if you can Or perhaps you would prefer to add to the List of conspiracy theories article Joel if VAGT continues to POV attack articles I would recommend finding an administrator to give him her a officia