26 October 2011 UTC You re hardly a moron computer or otherwise way over qualified and quite competent to master the standard of citation I am trying to establish What I see is a lot of frustration others as well as yours because I think folks are getting taught bad from the outset What I am hoping to establish should in the end be clearer and even simpler If all the discussion here seems confusing just think of it as construction rubble or scaffolding The final product model will be cleaner 23 30