Ribbon Salminen Thanks for picking up on the errors Yes age in days nts month1 02 day1 08 year1 2015 does work perfectly well but do you really think it s easy to understand age in days February 8 2015 sortable on seems so very much clearer to me I mean don t you agree Okay the bit is a little obscure but it s used by which is a commonly used template and it s arguably less obscure than tacking nts on anyway One can make a typo when entering numbers as well as when entering letters Actually it s nice that you pointed this out though since the this is another benefit of doing thing the way I m proposing A spelling mistake will give a visible error message whereas the wrong number will just give a wrong output Yes people might forget to put but they might forget to use and use instead You know what I find I find it easier to cope with fewer templates doing essentially the same thing but with a few minor or sometimes not so minor differences handled using parameters than to cope with a plethora of them going off in all different directions I m aiming to make it easier for users by simplifying and standardising the use of these templates This means fewer templates and more natural input Thanks again for your thoughts