I am not asking that the article itself draw any conclusions and the rest of your remarks are exactly the kind of synthesis that I desire My remarks are meant to move us past the conflict on the talk page Our sources are of course the verifiable secondary sources and we are not to do original research As CTSWynekan has said Wikipedia is a tertiary source Frankly it s enough for me that the various Christian views are presented fairly and accurately the various Jewish views are presented fairly and accurately the various historical views whether by specialists or nonspecialists are presented fairly and accurately and all other views are presented fairly and accurately All should be given the appropriate weight and context That is enough of a synthesis for me But we all have our subjective views and many of our views have clashed hence we have been bogged down in one paragraph for far too long What bothers me is the binary thinking evidenced by some many not all which has polarized the debate We should also of course be sure not to confuse our various subjective viewpoints with the objective actual verifiable and factual as someone once said So in the end I essentially agree with you My remarks on thesis antithesis synthesis and the rest have to do with the debate on this page not with the article itself I want us to move past conflict so we can examine the verifiable sources and put aside our own views while still making sure that we any we are accurately represented as are the views of others To paraphrase Ross Perot everybody stop fighting and get to work If you ll check you ll notice that I ve done very little work on the article itself most of my efforts have been focused on the talk page NPOV when we reach it will be a synthesis accurately reporting the views of all and referenced to the appropriate verifiable sources That said I have been as frustrated as anyone else and needed to vent my spleen which perhaps presented my POV more strongly than I have in the past Does that make it trinary My spleen has been vented My comments will remain on my user page at least until we formulate a second paragraph that does exactly as you say and is accepted by all It may go back if we run into further unresolved conflict My claim that it is a conundrum alludes to how the issue of historicity is handled at Socrates where any debate has been much more peaceful and civilized