I am not at all saying the same things I suggested new wordings that again didn t meet the approval of the other editors And again while I have tried to first identify and then accommodate concerns about my proposed changes in wording no one showed any willingness to accommodate my own concerns or to find new wordings that everyone can agree on Seemingly they were more concerned with proving me wrong than finding a consensus I do note that some editors are more constructive than others and I appreciate that Note that unlike some I didn t take it upon myself to unilaterally go on a quest to edit a hard won consensus text and replace it with my own opinion It doesn t seem likely that I will convince the editors on the Jesus page so I haven t made any edits to the main page yet and I think I ll concentrate my efforts elsewhere To the degree constructive editors make further points on the Jesus page I ll be happy to engage them I ll also take the more general and fundamental questions about using reliable sources from neighbouring fields and about not mispresenting the breath of an academic consensus neither too wide nor too narrow to a more appropriate WP policy discussion page since it isn t specific to the Jesus page or even pages touching on HJ research I ll need to find such a page first so it may be a while before you hear from me again Another point I can t help it if some other editors go on anti religious rants take it up with them not me You appear to me to be trying to shut down or even shout down legitimate debate I submit this is not a constructive attitude and invite you to reflect on this And if you are not interested in my opinion you could always try not to post on my talk page None so blind as those that will not see