Just a thought Rather than fighting tooth and nail over whether every single entry is notable or fits the standard for inclusion for the article why not try to really nail down objectively what those standards are It seems to me that a lot of the recent disputes come from tension between those who would apply a very strict criterion for inclusion and those who would be more liberal about allowing stuff here I am probably weakly on the first side but the important thing is to come to a consensus here that all can at least live by Would an RfC help