class messagebox align center align left width 95 This is an archive of inactive discussions Please do not edit it If you wish to revitalize an old topic bring it up on the active talk page Find a source Could someone give me a source to a study showing that women who have only ever had one partner don t even think about penis size I think its the fault of us men that women think about it We encourage them to have multiple partners not valuing their virginity and then complain that our girlfriends and wives are comparing us to previous partners Fact is most women have their first orgasm at some point from a penis large or small and are happy about it and with the exceptio of micropenis I m sure any woman who can come can come with a below average sized penis and she can enjoy it her entire life and not want anything else Or one of us men with a different penis can come along and try to do better resulting in the whole issue of comparing penis sizes Comments 23 4 5 I ve added the witty riposte to the question how long is your cock published a few years ago It belongs in Wikipedia somewhere I think but I m not sure where There s probably a better place Wikipedia Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense My edit was that the size of their partners rather than theirs might be of concern I think that is fair but may have been ambiguously worded According to a class I m taking in the Psychology department at the University of California Santa Cruz the issue of penis size is mostly relevant to the Western world Editing the article accordingly if you disagree please cite research stating the contrary before doing so The text book we use is Our sexuality by Robert Crooks and Karla Baur I just checked the text book and I can t find the text I was thinking of it must have been mentioned in class As I can t find a proper reference I ll just refrain from editing the article If anyone does have a reference please edit the article 2 or 2 5 Standard deviations The micropenis article says a micropenis is 2 5 SD s or more less than average is known as a micropenis whereas this node gives 2 SD s Could someone with medical reference material or the appropriate know how please make these articles consistent or if there is no consensus add that these are loosely defined terms 00 42 2004 Jun 13 UTC It s like short stature for goodness sake I suspect 2 different people wrote the sentences in the two articles originally Of course it s arbitrary If you really want to know the real actual honest to God major purpose of the diagnosis micropenis it s so your insurance company will pay for the doctor consultation if we wrote normal variation you d have to pay the bill yourself No offense intended of course I just finished answering your quibble at talk micropenis If you want to check a penis growth curve you can find one in Jones Smith s Recognizable Patterns of Human Malformation published by Saunders It makes sense that it s a fuzzily defined term I just wonder if we should be giving exact numbers without any indications of fuzziness like about or approximately and inconsistent ones at that in that case Have you got any preference for stating 2 or 2 5 I suggest we update both articles to give the same number using the word approximately 23 26 2004 Jun 13 UTC OK you asked nicely and I m feeling guilty for my sarcasm Here are some specifics Grumbach MM Styne DM Puberty ontogeny neuroendocrinology physiology and disorders Chapter 24 of Larsen et al Williams Textbook of Endocrinology 10th ed Philadelphia Saunders 2003 The phallus is most accurately measured stretched while in the flaccid state as there is much variation between individuals in the length of the unstretched penis The length of the erectile tissue excluding the foreskin increases from an average of 6 2 cm in the prepubertal to 12 4 2 7 cm in the white adult Ethnic differences have been noted the mean value in black men is 14 6 cm and in Asians 10 6 cm The reference for the last politically incorrect statement is Sutherland et al The effe