Many of these sources are writing about Carlos Hugo when he was most active as the Carlist pretender his efforts to induce Franco to choose him as future king before the Generalissimo officially designated Juan Carlos in 1969 his controversial 1964 marriage and the notorious Montejurra Incidents all before Hugo Carlos inherited the ducal title in 1977 Moreover anti Carlist sources in Spain including those that preferred Juan Carlos have always denied Carlos Hugo any title for purely POV reasons But just as Wikipedia no longer refers to the article on Daniel Westling by that name although it was overwhelmingly used in the media until last month our guidelines indicate that we don t retain outdated titles for royalty once they obtain a new title e g Albert II Prince of Monaco Prince Friso of Orange Nassau Alexandra Countess of Frederiksborg etc regardless of how long it takes reliable sources to catch up to the change Besides WP doesn t just count google hits to name BLP s when we have applicable conventions like NC RN and Jimbo Wales made a rare point of visiting NC RN recently arguing in favor of use of official title rather than counting google hits Point 1 under NC RN is applicable But as I pointed out above the real issue here is that our conventions have a gray area which needs to be resolved through inclusive discussion at NC RN thus far pretenders below the rank of Grand Duke are allowed to use their title of pretence as a title of nobility on Wikipedia Preventing Carlos Hugo from doing so here sets a new precedent for summarily stripping living people of the title they currently use without a comprehensive discussion of what we will substitute Why fix what ain t broke