Human Rights Violation Hearings — East London — 1997-06-11

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you June.  We are starting our hearing of the third day.  We thank those who were patient from yesterday when we did not finish our list.  We will first hear those people and then we will start with today's programme after that.  If Ms Maya could read us the order of the day.

MS MAYA: Thank you Mr Chairperson.  I am going to read a list of people that are going to appear before the Truth Commission.   I will read from, that we did not finish from yesterday.  Reading the witnesses name, the victim, the incident and the place of the incident, also the year of the incident.  Mandla Tobezweni will be talking about himself, tortured in Mdantsane in 1987.  Mandla Engelani talking about himself, severely ill-treated in East London in 1985.  Mxolisi Monakali will be talking about himself, attempted murder, Mdantsane, 1981.  Christian Peter Meyer will be talking about Leon Lionel Meyer and Jacqueline Anne Quinn who were killed in Lesotho, 1985.  Joseph Cochran will be talking about himself, ill-treated in East London in 1989.  Nomakhosazana Mavubengwana will be talking about Geoff Meke Mabena, killed in East London in 1988, requested if she could speak today.
 Today's list, Bongani Nondula will be talking about himself, tortured in Mdantsane in 1977.  Nomvuyiseko Forosi will be talking about herself, tortured in Mdantsane in 1977.  Mtutuzeli Sibewu will be talking about himself, ill-treated in Mdantsane, 1978.  Michael Nothwala will be talking about himself, severely ill-treated in Mdantsane in 1977.  Philda Nomvula Roxiso will be talking about Deliswa Roxiso, killed in Mdantsane in 1981.  Nokama Violet Njoli will be talking about Princess Njoli, killed in Mdantsane in 1988.  Galelekile Ngaki will be talking about himself, tortured and severely ill-treated in Zwelitsha, 1977 to 1991.  Zweliyazuza Gwentshe will be talking about Mzwandile Gwentshe who was tortured on Robben Island in 1964 and Alcott Skwenene Gwentshe who was will killed in East London, 1965.  Amos Diko will be talking about himself, severely ill-treated and his property destroyed in East London, 1985.  Vuyani Mngaza will be talking about himself, tortured and ill-treated in East London from 1963 to 1967.  Mncedisi Mapela who will be talking about himself, tortured in East London, 1964.  Sthembiso Zorro Njoli will be talking himself, severely ill-treated in Duncan Village, 1990.  Trayishile Samuel Zwelibanzi will be talking about himself, severely ill-treated in Zwelitsha, 1984.  Mike Basopu will be talking about himself, severely ill-treated.  Vuyani Sokupa will be talking about himself, severely ill-treated in Mdantsane.  Shumikazi Sara Sijako will be talking about herself, tortured in East London, 1963.  Thank you Mr Chairperson.  That is all.

CHAIRPERSON: We are going to remember those who passed on.  If we could get up please.  Deliswa Roxiso, Princess Njoli, Alcott Skwenene Gwentshe, Qolwana Pali may they rest in peace and give them eternal light, Lord.  Amen.  I would like to read the alleged perpetrators names.  The notices I have here of submissions.  Donald Card is going to give a statement.  He does not want to appear before the Commission.  This is in connection with Zweliyazuza Gwentshe, Vuyani Mngaza.  Donald Card also connected to Vuyani Mngaza, number ten.  He does not want to appear before the Commission about that matter either.  Also Donald Card alleged perpetrator Mncedisi Mapela.  He is going to give a written statement there as well.
 Also alleged perpetrators were Shumikazi Sara Sijako is concerned, going to give a written statement there as well.  If there are people who would like to appear before the Commission who had Section 13 notices, please come and approach the panel.  We will try to accommodate you.  Christian Peter Meyer please.

REV XUNDU: Can I swear the witness in Mr Chairperson?  Christian Peter Meyer, will you stand up please.

CHRISTIAN PETER MEYER: (Duly sworn in, states).

REV XUNDU: Thank you.  He has been properly sworn in.

CHAIRPERSON: We thank you Mr Meyer for coming.  I understand that you need to go back to school quickly and we will ask Mr Ntsiki Sandi to direct to you a few questions on behalf of the Commission.

ADV SANDI: Thank you Mr Chairman.  Mr Meyer, you have made a request to appear before this Commission and talk about Leon Lionel Meyer and Jacqueline Ann Quinn.  Is that correct?

CHRISTIAN PETER MEYER: Yes Sir.

ADV SANDI: Can you say briefly what is the relationship between yourself and these two people?

CHRISTIAN PETER MEYER: Yes, Leon Meyer is my brother, my late brother, who died in Lesotho in 1985.  He was married to Jacqueline Anne Quinn in Lesotho.  She was a teacher in Lesotho at the time.  He was a MK member and I think his status was a political commissar and a commander in Lesotho.

ADV SANDI: I understand you have prepared a statement which you will read today as your submission.  Is that correct?

CHRISTIAN PETER MEYER: That is correct Commissioner.

ADV SANDI: Do you have a copy for yourself, of that statement?

CHRISTIAN PETER MEYER: I do have one.

ADV SANDI: Can I now give you an opportunity to go through that statement?