Amnesty Hearings — Cape Town — 2000-06-21

MR KAHANOVITZ: Now, Frik was the Head of Region 8, correct?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Frik?  Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: The, this
"... oil, grease, acid burn holes ..."
	and so on and so forth, that is what we have been discussing, the doctoring of the oil, correct?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: There are a number of options that are discussed here, arson, it says don't cause explosions, because if you cause explosions, there will be retaliation, and so on, these are notes taken in a meeting, correct?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Sir, I think this is external, it had nothing to do with my Region.

MR P DU PLESSIS: Mr Chairman, with all due respect also, as far as my respectful submission is that, all this may be very interesting, but is it really relevant to what we are doing here and to this inquiry, and in view of the time constraints, I would submit that if it is really not relevant, we should not deal with this at all.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Mr Chairman, with respect, it is of great relevance, because we are going to argue that you haven't, at the end of these proceedings, that you haven't even begun to hear what members of Region 6, the applicants that are applying for amnesty, what they were doing.  This is directly relevant to just that submission.
	I understand obviously, it is a bit ponderous, and it is a bit tedious, but it is the only way to deal with these issues.

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: But Mr Chairperson, I have repeated time and again that I will not answer any questions about external projects.  I think we must just pass the external aspects.

MR KAHANOVITZ: These meetings were held in South-Africa, correct?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: I am not going to answer.

MR MARTINI: Sorry Chairperson, I just want to get one thing clear, I thought Mr Kahanovitz said Frik is a member of Region 8.

CHAIRPERSON: No, the manager of Region 8.

MR MARTINI: Well, then what is the relevance to Region 6?

CHAIRPERSON: I think what Mr Kahanovitz is saying is that members of Region 6 were involving themselves in Region 8 affairs?

MR MARTINI: Sure, I can accept his saying that, but factually, let's deal with relevant facts.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: I am not, it has already been conceded, that is exactly what was happening.

CHAIRPERSON: Perhaps we shall adjourn now for the day, I see that quarter of an hour has gone passed, and Mr Kahanovitz, if you can perhaps think of a speedy way, than going through each and every, we might be here for another three or four days with Mr Burger.  Just try to think of a way of getting through it.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: I understand the difficulty, but we, you know, to take each entry, it might take very, very long time.
	Thank you, we will adjourn now until nine o'clock tomorrow morning, at the same venue.

MS COLERIDGE: Eleven o'clock Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, sorry, thank you Ms Coleridge.  I forgot, tomorrow morning, there is a memorial service to be held for the late Chief Justice at the High Court which many of the legal representatives here, if not all of them together with us, will be attending, which is starting at ten o'clock in the morning.  It has been agreed between us all, that we will start tomorrow or so soon thereafter as is possible, we don't know exactly how long that service will be, but we don't anticipate that it will be too long, because they usually don't last more than an hour.  Thank you, so we will adjourn here to this venue, tomorrow at eleven o'clock or so soon thereafter as we may be able to start.
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