Human Rights Violation Hearings — Alexandra — 1996-10-28

MR LEWIN: How old was he when he died?

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: (Indistinct).

MR LEWIN: Did you ever discover afterwards anything about the white Mazda?  I mean was it known, did it have anything similar to the green car that was in Soweto in '76?  I mean was the white Mazda known in Alex?

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: I didn't hear you well.

MR LEWIN: Did you ever discover any more details about the white Mazda, from which he was meant to have been shot?

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: No, I didn't find anything.
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MR LEWIN: You mentioned also in your statement, you mentioned the name of the commander of the Alex police station who came to ask you the next day why you were mourning. It is a name which actually crops up in quite a number of the statements.  I wonder can you remember that.

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: The person who came to us while we were crying was Mr Mtebi.  He hated the youth in Alexandra, he didn't want to see them.

MR LEWIN: I have no further questions Madam Chair.  Thank you very much.

DR RANDERA: Busi I just want to ask two questions.  In your statement you say the body was picked up by a combi and then it went off in the opposite direction to the clinic.  How and where did you discover the body?

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: I would say that the combi that took him, this was the message that I got from Mrs Manana, they told us instead of going towards the clinic's direction they just drove around with him in the township and we couldn't understand why didn't they take him directly to the clinic.

DR RANDERA: Wasn't there an inquest?

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: After that I would say myself as an activist I was always busy, I was like a (indistinct), I had to run up and down.  There was nobody who could stand and ask for an inquest.  All I know is that I went to the offices to give a statement and the person that we used to have was Priscilla Jana is the person whom we used to give statements to.

DR RANDERA: This question is, and I think it is again trying to find as to why Jingles was shot.  You say he was a member of the ANC, everybody says today they are a member of the ANC.  You remember at that time the ANC was a banned
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organisation.  Does that mean he was a member of the ANC, was he a member of MK?  Was he a member of UDF?  How do we actually reconcile that today.  I mean the ANC was an underground structure.

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: That is true.  I think I made a mistake, he wasn't an ANC member, he was a member of the UDF.

MS MKHIZE: We would like to thank you.  However, I would like to ask a small question.  You have already stated that Jingles was a well known person within the community, especially when it comes to rendering poems at Alexandra meetings and you also mentioned that you don't believe that you will ever be in a position to give.  In your opinion what do you think can be done to remember or to honour Jingles?

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: What I would like to say is that I will be happy to find out as to who killed him because at that time police were misusing government funds, going around killing people.  Secondly I would like this perpetrator's name to be brought out.

MS MKHIZE: As it has also been explained by some of the people who came before us that something must be done for those people who lost their relatives, I also say that the issue of (indistinct) can be a solution.

JESSIE BUSISIWE MOQUAE: I would also like the Truth Commission maybe to get some money, I don't know whether they have some money, to help parents who can't do anything.  Maybe they might feel better about what has happened.  Even myself personally I will be happy if my child can be assisted to continue with his education as at the present moment I don't have a very good job.

YASMINE SOOKA: Thank you Jessie.  Thank you very much for
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telling us about what happened to Jingles and about the wishes that you have expressed.  It is a very difficult story but as Mr Lewin has said, the name Mtebi crops up a number of times and we will certainly begin by looking at the records of the Alex police station at the time to see if any of these deaths were reported.  We will also check if there was a formal inquest held to establish what the cause of death was.  We will hand this matter over to our investigation unit and we will come back to you as soon as we have more information.  Thank you for coming today.