Special Hearings — Mandela United Football Club Hearings — UNKNOWN

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: What I did was I gave Xoliswa my restriction orders and then after - in the afternoon, my younger sister was schooling at ...[indistinct] University, she was on her way to my home and she met a certain brother of an activist right in the township.  He gave her the message that I must know that the security police from Pietersberg have gone to that comrade's house and they were on their way to my home.

MR JORDI: So what did you do about that?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: What I did was, I took Xoliswa and Katiza to a certain comrade's home and that comrade is the one with whom I was always liaising about Temba's stories.

MR JORDI: So after you made these arrangements for your visitors, am I right in thinking you discussed the question of Temba's reliability with your visitors.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes, at that comrade's house.

MR JORDI: And what did you decide to do during the course of that discussion, what conclusion did you reach?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: After revealing the whole thing, Xoliswa confirmed that it's true that Temba might be an Askari because of one thing - they also suspected him when they were in Soweto but then they found there was a difference.  When they reported their suspicions to Mrs Mandela, Mrs Mandela kept becoming closer to Temba.
 They became confused but then after revealing the whole thing to Xoliswa, Xoliswa asked me to accompany her back to Mrs Mandela's home in Soweto, Diepkloof Extension so that I - because my information seems to be very concrete, I should come and explain this Temba story to Mrs Mandela, maybe she might change her mind.

MR JORDI: So you decided then with Miss Falati to go to Soweto, is that right?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: You then arrived in Soweto and what did you do on arrival in Soweto?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: When we arrived in Soweto that very day, we arrived at Mrs Mandela's house and Mrs Mandela was there.  Xoliswa knocked on the door and then Mrs Mandela came but when she opened the door she was so surprised she screamed and that confirmed that she knew about Xoliswa's mission.

MR JORDI: Your role was then explained to Mrs Madikizela-Mandela, is that right?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: Can you describe what happened during that process?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: We went into the house, we were welcome, I was with a certain comrade - I mean who is the owner of that house which - with that comrade who accommodated Xoliswa at Pietersburg so I went with him to Mrs Madikizela-Mandela's house.
 We were welcomed in the house, it was myself, the comrade - the comrade's name is Archibald Mshlala, there was Vizi, there was Mrs Mandela, there was Xoliswa.  Then we held a meeting and I had to explain myself from the day I knew Temba and where did I get to know Temba and what happened and all the suspicions until the day that he left Xoliswa at my home.

MR JORDI: What decision was reached after you gave this information?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: I wouldn't say there was any decision taken in that meeting because Temba wasn't present at that time and we didn't know about his whereabouts and ...[indistinct] and Bosmont's whereabouts.
 It just happened that I explained the whole issue and my comrade from the township also confirmed the whole issue and then the meeting dispersed, then we were just around the yard.

MR JORDI: And I understand that Temba arrived at Mrs Madikizela-Mandela's house shortly after this initial meeting, is that correct?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: Can you tell me what happened on his arrival?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Temba arrived the following day after my arrival, then what I heard - because I was not there, when he arrived what I heard was that when he arrived, he just said: "Where are those impimpie's"?

MR JORDI: Who was he referring to when he referred to impimpies?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: He was referring to me and Xoliswa.

MR JORDI: And what was the result of his allegation that you were an informer?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: What I understood - because during the conversation I was not present during that time when he explained his position, I was just told that he implicated me as an impimpi and then there was a decision made and I was called the following day to come and explain myself exactly the way I did for the first time.

MR JORDI: Where were you invited to go?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: It was at Mrs Mandela's office.

MR JORDI: And who was present when you met Mrs Madikizela-Mandela at her offices?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: That very day when I heard, I was taken to the office and I knocked on the door of the office - I was with Xoliswa, I knocked on the door and the door was opened, I got in, I only found Mrs Mandela and Temba in the office.

MR JORDI: So you found Mrs Madikizela-Mandela there as well as Temba and what happened after you saw them there?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: When I entered the office, Temba winked an eye to me and I couldn't understand what he was trying to communicate to me, then I sat down and Mrs Mandela told me: "Okay, Euvodia, here is Temba, he has come back and I told him the whole story about what you said when you came to me but then he denied the whole allegation, so I called you here to come and present the story - just as you did when you arrived here, in front of him.

MR JORDI: Did you present the story?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes, I did.

MR JORDI: What was the result of you passing on this information to Temba and Mrs Madikizela-Mandela?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: While I was talking Temba became emotional but then I told Mrs Mandela: "I'm not going to allow anybody in this office to intimidate me, I would like to feel safe being in this office also.  It's my President's office if that's the way it is and I have to feel free.

MR JORDI: Now, I understand that you spent approximately a month in Soweto living with Miss Falati but spending most of your time in the Madikizela-Mandela home, is that correct?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: And that you were then arrested by the police in February 1989 whilst you were at Miss Falati's home one night as a result of the investigation into the death of Stompie Sepei.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: And that you were thereafter detained at the Protea Police Station, can you tell me what happened when you were questioned by they police at the Protea Police Station?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: When I entered the interrogation room, my interrogators told me that I'm being charged under Section 29 and I flatly refused and they asked me why do I refuse, I told them that I don't belong to Section 29 and I know the people who belong to Section 29, so I don't regard myself as a detainee of Section 29 and I don't allow it.

MR JORDI: And what happened as a result of your perhaps unique resistance to being detained under Section 29?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: I told them that there is a story that happened to me and they were not there when these things happened to me and as such they have to listen to me and after the whole story they must give me a charge and I will accept it because I know what my charge is.

MR JORDI: So you said that they must know the whole story from you?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: Did you tell them what you knew?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.  What they said was that they understood that I was moving around with an MK cadre called Temba and that is why they wanted to detain me under Section 29, they thought I was a trained cadre.
 I asked them: "Are you sure that Temba is an MK cadre"? They said: "No, we want to get the story from you" and I said:  "Okay, then you listen to me".  I related the whole story, how I knew Temba and how I came to land in Soweto.

MR JORDI: What did you tell them about your suspicions regarding Temba?