Amnesty Hearings — Durban — UNKNOWN

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: He told you the purpose of going to Durban?

EUGENE MARAIS: Yes, Sir.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: What did he say?

EUGENE MARAIS: He said that we're going to exercise some form of attack in reaction to the happenings of that morning.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: Some form of attack?

EUGENE MARAIS: That's right, Sir.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: That's vague, isn't it?

EUGENE MARAIS: That's when we started discussing what we are going to do and eventually a target was selected or identified, that's when we got to Durban.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: And then that is when he also explained this, what the nature of this "some" of attack was?

EUGENE MARAIS: That's right, Sir.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: And so when you left with him at Richards Bay, when the car drove off ...  [intervention]

EUGENE MARAIS: Yes?

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: You, you knew that you were going to Durban? You knew what exactly was going be done in Durban?

EUGENE MARAIS: That's right.

SISI KHAMPEPE: Can I ask something, Sir.  When were you told by Mr Botha that for one loss of life there should be seven Black lives lost?

EUGENE MARAIS: Mr Chairman that would have been around, if I look at my application form or the oath that I signed, it must have been more or less the 24th of September when he handed me the form and explained to me what it was about.  And he also then explained to me the policies of the Orde Boerevolk.

SISI KHAMPEPE: So you knew during that day of the 9th of October that was the policy of the OB ...  [intervention]

EUGENE MARAIS: Yes, ma'am.

SISI KHAMPEPE: To give such a reaction.  Thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.  Yes, thank you.

EUGENE MARAIS: Thank you, Sir.

MR BRINK: What about this chap? Mr Chairman I don't know whether Mr Purshotam wishes ...  [intervention]

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.

MR BRINK: Oh, he doesn't.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Are there any other witness you propose calling on behalf of the applicants?

MS VAN DER WALT: No further witnesses.

MR WILKINSON: No further witnesses.

<UNKNOWN>: Thank you, Mr Chairman.

MR PRINSLOO: No further witnesses.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Brink do you propose calling witnesses?

MR BRINK: No, I don't  Mr Chairman.  I don't know whether Mr Purshotam wishes to do so.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Purshotam, do you propose calling any witnesses?

MR PURSHOTAM: Yes, Mr Chairman, I propose calling the victims of this attack.

CHAIRPERSON: How many witnesses do you propose calling, Mr Purshotam?

MR PURSHOTAM: Well I haven't ascertained exactly how many witnesses are here but as I mentioned earlier this morning, I wish to make attempts to contact all of them who are presently in the rural areas in order to bring them to the hearing and relate their experiences to the Committee.

CHAIRPERSON: My question related to how many witnesses do you have that you propose calling now?

MR PURSHOTAM: At the moment, two.

CHAIRPERSON: Well, it might be convenient for us to make a beginning tomorrow morning.  Can we start at half past nine?
    May we commence tomorrow morning at half past nine, if it is convenient to all of you?

MR PRINSLOO: Certainly, Mr Chairman

MR WILKINSON: Certainly, I should think so.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Purshotam, can you manage it at half past nine tomorrow morning?

MR PURSHOTAM: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Very well.  This meeting will now adjourn until half past nine tomorrow morning.  Thank you.
COMMITTEE ADJOURNS