Human Rights Violation Hearings — Upington — 1996-10-02

WITNESS:  ... but it happened that we had to undress.  Certain policemen came there, like Evelyn de Bruin said, they measured our necks, they did all those things.  They took our weight and then they sent us to death row.  In the cell where I was, it was behind a cell called  'the pot'  and this cell,  'the pot'  is the cell where you are put before you are hung.  There you have to remain for seven days.  My cell was right behind  'the pot.'  I could hear those people crying where they were hanged.  I could hear people pleading for help.  I was in the cell.  If this was what was happening I became very, very upset and when they cry and shout, you can't sit still or lie on your bed, you had to walk up and down, up and down because now now the warder would come and say this is your time because we know what it sounded like when they come and say name and address.  Every time when a warder knocked at my door I had this feeling that it was my time now, that my time has come although I knew that the appeal was going on because I had no trust in the apartheid regime and I could not trust them at all.  Yes we had very strong lawyers and we believed in them but the government of De Klerk, we couldn't do anything against them.  At a certain stage, I and a certain warder were fighting and that they sent me to the gallows and there when I came to that specific cell where you could see all those ropes, when I was in that cell, while lying down in that cell I could see the gallows because it was right in front of me.  That was for my punishment.  At a certain stage they took me out of that cell again.  All those things which happened there, everything upset me tremendously and it remained in my head all my time and I didn't care for anything anymore, it upset me emotionally.  The lawyers did come back again, they did come back again and they notified us that the appeal was successful but that I, Zonga and Justice, our cases were not successful, and they changed the death penalty to 15 years' imprisonment each, and it hurt me tremendously again because the other comrades left us there, they left us behind.  While we were there on death row it was a terrible time especially from the time of the warders because they made terrible remarks like for example Xolile you are going to hang, Xolile your time is near, your time is near to die.  You must remember how it feels if a warder comes to you every time and says you are going to hang and you see those people being hanged and they legitimately hang.  I mean how can I trust anybody, I have to trust them, I have to believe in what they say when they say you are going to hang.  Now fortunately we didn't remain in prison for 15 years, I only stayed there for a year and a few months then I was released eventually.  What happened is after I have left jail as my other comrade Zuko has said, there is no assistance we have received.  What I want to tell you there is nobody who has returned from death row who is normal because that thing in death row, even when I sleep at home I dream.  I dream that I am still on death row.  In my dreams I hear how those people cry when they are being hanged and this cause that sometimes I find that I am wrong because I get cross very, very quickly.  I get angry very quickly and I get frightened because it might cause that I can land in jail again.  I wasn't like that before I was incarcerated.  I was awaiting trial for a long period without bail.  I was awaiting trial and I slept on a grass mat with three blankets.  That's all I had on a very cold cement floor.  When it was cold then the warder said we had to wash those cells.  That cement, I mean it is still, the cold of the cement, it is still bothering me.  I don't even, whether I have to sleep on my back, on my stomach, on my side because my body has, still has a lot of aches and pains.  When we were released many organisations approached us and said they are willing to help us.  I would name a few Reverends who were involved in this, it was a Reverend Penyeka from Kimberley.  I am sorry to say that because he is a big crook for a Reverend.  He is the person who approached us, who got us together and he wanted to start, wanted to involve us in projects, we never realised, there is a Reverend Macha here in Paballelo, he is the second crook.  They are the people who approached us with certain projects but they were only stories.  We don't know what has happened to these projects, the monies, and we also fought for the country and they are using the money for their future.  We also fought for this country but there is no future for us.  We have also fought for this country.  We are unemployed.  The government, when you look for work, you need qualifications, you must have certain knowledge, you must be trained for that job but my question, my only question is, when we threw stones and petrol bombs, they didn't look for qualifications.  They didn't look for knowledge.  When I can refer to our President's statement that while he was incarcerated he said keep the country ungovernable and that is exactly what we did but today we, who did those things, we remained behind.  There is nothing left for us.  If you can see from all the political prisoners, all of those who fought in the liberation struggle, they have been left behind.  All the people who sit there and who have food to eat, they have never been part of the liberation struggle.

MR POTGIETER:  Order please.  Order!  Please give the witness a chance to give his evidence.  Don't interrupt him.

WITNESS:  I want to talk about myself personally.  For example we fought for the whole of South Africa, not Upington, not Paballelo.  Just to prove what this Court case has done to me and to my family and they have to say be careful, he will kill you, when they look at me they regard me as a murderer and my question is, if I had killed Jetta, I fought for that.  Today if you walk in the streets, people are mocking us.  There is nothing left for those of us who were part of the liberation struggle.  What I want to ask is, I ask for an investigation like Mr Penyeka and the Reverend to say where is the money for all these projects you promised us.  And my second request is we ask the present government please take care of us who fought for liberation.  The freedom didn't come from abroad.  We fought for this freedom.  We were assaulted.  We were harassed by the police.  The other people didn't feel anything.  We, in this country, we suffered all the pain.  My request to you is, is that the present government should care for us, should look after us.  We struggled for houses but today I still live in a shack.  That is not what I fought for.  If you could ask the TV people and the media people, Paballelo is the only location with the most shacks in the whole Upington but Paballelo is the first location who fought against the apartheid regime but we have no advantages.  I was a liberation, part of the liberation movement but I still live in a shack and I request from you that what I say today will not stop here.  It must be taken forward and I would like to hear what happens to my request and what I have almost forgotten, I asked an investigation into the lawyers Potash, what has happened to our welfare money.  Our money is still with them, what has happened to that -  Bernard Ferdika Potash - and we request your help.  We are treated as the underdogs.  The ANC used us, we fought and we won the battle and those people who now appear from all places, they who have waited, they are part of the gravy train, leave them aside and care for us.  I thank you.

MR POTGIETER:  Thank you Mr Yona.  Order!  Can you please tell us Mr Yona how old were you in 1985 when you had this experience?

WITNESS:  I became 21, I just became 21 that year.

MR POTGIETER:  When was your birthday?

WITNESS:  It was the 30th September 1985.