Amnesty Hearings — Potchefstroom — UNKNOWN

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: Let me start all over again, maybe I have confused you.  Your son was staying with his aunt?

UNKNOWN: Yes.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: Did David Maseko also stay in the same house where your son was staying?

UNKNOWN: Yes his aunt was married in that family.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: And Skotell?

UNKNOWN: I do not know anything about Skotel.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: Was David Maseko also a student?

UNKNOWN: I do not know.

BERNARD MAKGABO NGOEPE: I see.  Thank you.

<UNKNOWN>: No re-examination Mr Chairman thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much to come and give evidence at such short notice, and we are sorry if you have been inconvenienced.  Thank you.
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MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Mr Chairman, members of the committee the next witness is in the last matter that we dealt with of Lekikhlane(?), Lebona and Busakwe(?) if the Committee allows me to call him now.  He is available.  I have consulted with him.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mpshe, where does he come from?

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Mr Chairman he comes from Ganana it's a distance of, according to the police, 30 minutes drive.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mpshe apart from just the members of the Committee who are prepared to listen we may be inconveniencing others who are in the support team that runs this meeting, and I think it is now 4:30.  It is beyond our normal time, and I think if it not going to be too inconvenient we should adjourn and commence proceedings at 9:30 tomorrow morning.

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: As it pleases the Chair and the members of the Committee.

CHAIRPERSON: This Committee will adjourn now until 9:30.  All of you who have earphones please return your earphones before you walk out of this hall.  Thank you.
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GCINISIZWE NKINISIWE AND UMKONTWANA PATRICK

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Mr Chairman and members of the Committee I am advised by my learned friend that they are not going to be called in that sequence in which they appear in the bundle.  But the first to testify will be Gcinisizwe who is number two, followed by Umkontwana who is number three, and lastly it will be Popane who is number one on the list.  Unfortunately Mr Chairman and members of the Committee the bundle is not paginated for me to refer the members of the Committee with ease where Gcinisizwe's application is, but it is somewhere towards the middle.  My apologies for such an omission.  Gcinisizwe's application is number 1289 in the bundle.  I will now then Mr Chairman hand over to my learned friend.

<UNKNOWN>: Thank you Mr Chairman, I will now call the next applicant Gcinisizwe Nkinisizwe. Mr Chairman, the applicant will testifying or giving his evidence in siXhosa(?). I ask him to be sworn in please.

DLANJWA GCINISIZWE: (sworn states)

<UNKNOWN>: Mr Gcinisizwe, you are making an application for amnesty before this Committee today.  The act that you are asking amnesty on is on the act of murder committed on the 31st October 1990, two, the act of attempted murder committed on the 31st of October 1990.  Both acts, in terms of the application were committed at Kuma location taxi rank near Stilfontein. Can you explain to the Committee, we see in your application the person murdered was Abednigo Nzimeni Mazwi and the one assaulted, the attempted murder was for Charles Mhlambiso.  Can you
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explain to the committee the role you played when Abednigo was killed and when Charles Mhlambiso was nearly killed?

DLANJWA GCINISIZWE: Yes I will, firstly since the 30th of October 1990, Charles Mhlambiso and Abednigo Mazwi and their other friends, they went into Mrs Mary Agnes Kunwana's house who was a member of the executive of the ANC, who was the chairperson of the Kuma Civic Association as well, who was the chairperson of the ANC branch, Women's League. We were staying at her house. Nzimeni and Mhlambiso went there and they threw an explosive device to the property.  There was a meeting before.  It was the ANC Youth Congress meeting, which is my branch.  In this meeting the discussion was regarding the things that Nzimeni and his group were doing in their struggle in the location.  There was a proposal tabled, been debated upon as the executive of the ANC Congress, that Nzimeni must be attacked.  Nzimeni and the group, they must be attacked. Whilst busy debating around that matter, a marshal arrived telling us that Nzimeni has just arrived with a Combi with his group in the Combi and they said they will be back again.  We went back to the meeting and then we decided not to proceed with the meeting and stay alert for anything that might happen.  The other comrades went away to go and collect other comrades as well. Nzimeni came back again with the Combi and he threw the explosive that I've just mentioned earlier on. We had a very extraordinary meeting thereafter. The meeting of the leadership of the Stilfontein branch the ANC.

JUDGE WILSON: You've said ANC before, do you mean ANC or do you mean ANC youth.

DLANJWA GCINISIZWE: I'm talking about the ANC, the African National Congress.
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JUDGE WILSON: So this extraordinary meeting, was that of the Congress, that was the Youth Congress meeting was it?