Amnesty Hearings — Bloemfontein — 2000-06-14

MR COETZER: Very well.  Honourable Members of the Committee with the exception of pointing it out to you that some of the cattle of my clients were also killed during this incident, I have nothing further.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR COETZER

ADV SANDI: What was the number?  How many were killed?

MR COETZER: If the Honourable Members of the Committee would grant me a moment, it is all in the report, I will just consult it briefly.  The number of animals is not mentioned but the extent of the damage is fixed at approximately R28 000, that is on page 55 of the documents in paragraph 3.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Kulman, did you read about the damage caused by your attack?

LUVUYO KENNETH KULMAN: I did not read it, Sir.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.  Thank you Mr Coetzer.  Ms Mtanga.

MS MTANGA: I have no questions Chairperson, thank you.
NO QUESTIONS BY MS MTANGA

CHAIRPERSON: Adv Sandi?

ADV SANDI: No thank you, no questions.

CHAIRPERSON: Judge de Jager?

JUDGE DE JAGER: No questions.

CHAIRPERSON: Obviously you don't have any re-examination Mr Mbandazayo?

MR MBANDAZAYO: None, Chairperson.
NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR MBANDAZAYO

CHAIRPERSON: Is that your case in respect of Mr Kulman?

MR MBANDAZAYO: Yes, Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: For formality - no, no, finish with the instructions.

MR COETZER: Chairperson, Members of the Committee, I would listen to you first and then take instructions.  These are not instructions that I want to obtain, but  a question that I would like to put to my clients.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.  I wanted to ask you that, are you going to lead evidence again, or we assume the position we had before?

MR COETZER: Chairperson and Honourable Members of the Committee, this is the same as in case number one with regard to the first applicant, that we will abide by the same position.  In other words, if he was involved in any deeds, there is forgiveness and no feelings of malice.  The Myburgs have come here today with a clear state of mind, they are not here out of vengeance, but they are here in the name of reconciliation.  As it pleases you.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much Mr Coetzer.  The sentiment expressed, before I express them again, thank you.  Ms Mtanga.

MS MTANGA: Chairperson, I have no questions but if the Committee may allow me, I just want to bring to the attention of the Committee that on page 55 of the bundle, where Mr Hans Myburg's statement is, paragraph 2, where it starts with:  "On the 26th of May 1992..." I would just like the Committee to link that incident to Gqomfa and Steven Dolo, that's the farm they attacked and the name of the farm was called Fairview.  I'm sorry Chairperson, the first farm in Wilgerspruit and it appears that the farm was attacked twice, the second time it was in May of the same year and that appears in paragraph 3 and this is in respect of the application by Mr ...(intervention)

JUDGE DE JAGER: It was a neighbouring farm, the neighbouring farm was ...(indistinct - mike not on)

MS MTANGA: Chairperson. according to my Learned Friend it was one farm.

JUDGE DE JAGER: It might have been farmed as a unit but it's a separate ...

MS MTANGA: Operating under the same name, that's what they're saying.  Both attacks took place at the Fairview farm Mr Chairperson and this second attack is in respect of the application of Mr Kulman and the two other persons, Makwala and Scorpion.

CHAIRPERSON: I see that their farm was actually attacked but the fire spread over to the neighbours, thank you.  Mr Kulman, thank you very much, you are excused.
WITNESS EXCUSED

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mbandazayo, who is your next applicant?

MR MBANDAZAYO: Chairperson, the next and the last applicant is Abel Oupa Khotle.