Amnesty Hearings — Pretoria — UNKNOWN

GEORGE BIZOS: There is internal contents in the video as to when the date was, Mr Chairman. You will see that there are references to events. It is an Agenda programme and Penny Smythe says
"Good evening and welcome to Agenda on Tuesday."
On what day were you arrested, Mr Derby-Lewis?

MR DERBY-LEWIS: On Saturday, the 17th of April, Mr Chairman.

GEORGE BIZOS: Well, you may be able to infer the date from the contents, Mr Chairman.
"The assassination of Chris Hani and the subsequent arrest of senior Conservative Party MP, Clive Derby-Lewis, has rocked the CP.  To discuss the implications of these and other events, our political correspondent, Lester Venter, is joined by the CP's deputy leader, Dr Ferdie Hartzenberg in Cape Town."
Apparently, Mr Chairman, the set is now here, so we may be able to run it contemporaneously.  Is that so, Mr Chairman, can the video person put it on?

CHAIRPERSON: Is there somebody who can answer?

LADY: You will be able to see it, ja.

CHAIRPERSON: How long will it take for you to put it right?

LADY: Five, 10 minutes.

CHAIRPERSON: Call us immediately you are ready to do so.

JUDGE WILSON: Before we do that, Mr Bizos, are you giving this a number?

GEORGE BIZOS: Yes, Mr Chairman. I think the (indistinct - not speaking into microphone) the Commission is the keeper of the index of the documents, I hope, Mr Chairman, I don't know what the next number is going to be.

CHAIRPERSON: R6 perhaps.

GEORGE BIZOS: So this would be R6.

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Mr Chairman, you can refer to it as R6.  R6.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.  Well, call us as soon as you are ready.
COMMITTEE ADJOURNS
VIDEO APPARATUS BEING INSTALLED

CLIVE DERBY-LEWIS: (Still under affirmation).

GEORGE BIZOS: (cont)
	Yes, Mr Chairman, I am instructed that - you will see on the screen the first page, where it is a little jumpy apparently but once you have -there is nothing wrong with the sound, and once we have the transcript, which I am sure is a correct one, we will - may just have to suffer the bad picture, and then we will go on to the Agenda programme. If there is any jumping there as well, it will not be prejudicial because of the transcript we have, I submit, and I will ask them to carry on.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.
VIDEO OF AGENDA
ELLEN ERASMUS
		"... has again voiced his party's disapproval of the arrest of Mr Clive Derby-Lewis in connection with the Hani assassination, a standpoint which brought a response today from the Police:
MR FERDIE HARTZENBERG
		We are upset about the whole situation because the Government has changed their attitude three times now. In the first instance they said they arrested Mr Clive Derby-Lewis as a suspect.  Then they said they are detaining him to question him, and now he is being detained in terms of Section 29 of the Act.  We don't know what the position is, because it seems to us that they can't build up a case against him and we think that they should rather investigate the allegations of Mrs Winnie Mandela, who said that the ANC was responsible for the murder on Mr Hani."

GEORGE BIZOS: That was part of the news section. We will now move on to the Agenda.  It is not necessary really to confirm it, but will you agree that that was Dr Hartzenberg speaking, Mr Derby-Lewis?

MR DERBY-LEWIS: Yes, Mr Chairman.