Special Hearings — Mandela United Football Club Hearings — UNKNOWN

MR RICHARD: Now, you were never asked to take your guests to show them both suitable places for their targets?

JERRY RICHARDSON: Sipho said that.

MR RICHARD: Did you ever take them anywhere or did you ever say anything in answer to their questions, if so, what?

JERRY RICHARDSON: I took them to show them the targets.  I went with them to Josh Koch, I took them to a home of the aged, the white home and we left for Krugersdorp and I showed them another place in Krugersdorp.

MR RICHARD: Did you ever tell anyone else who was staying with you during November 1988, besides Mrs Mandela?

JERRY RICHARDSON: No, I don't remember.

MR RICHARD: Very well.  Right, now to the events of the 9th of November.  You were in your garden, your two guests were inside the house and people started arriving, various people.  Who were they?

JERRY RICHARDSON: On that day, on the 9th of November, there was a Valiant car in my premises, it was parked there, I borrowed it from a friend, because I had guests and at times I would have to take them around or drive them around, and my friend borrowed me that car.
 And I showed it to Sipho that this is the car that we will be using.  On the 9th of November, something good happened, because Guybon arrived and two young boys arrived as well.  And Lolo Sono arrived and Shabalala.  Shabalala's first name I did not know, I just found out about it right now.
 We had our unique way that we used to operate with.   And I went to the Valiant and told them to get inside and I asked them questions as to what they wanted.  And they said they got information from Mommy, and I said Mommy?  They said yes, we got information from Mommy that we should come here and there is a trip to Lusaka that will depart from this place.
 And there was - no before the window I saw Guybon jumping the fence.  When Guybon jumped the fence, I got surprised as to why he jumped the fence and I asked him why he jumped the fence.  And Guybon said I am sorry and he sat down.  I went back to those boys.
 I said to those boys, do you mean there is a trip to Zambia, Lusaka and I left them in the car.  Debogo said one of those boys is my brother, and please ask him to get inside, but he shall not come into the house, he shall go right next to the toilet, I will go to him.  I told him and they met behind the toilet outside.
 I did not know as to what they were talking about.

MR RICHARD: And what happened next?

JERRY RICHARDSON: Now, they were talking there, I did not know as to what they were talking about, but I saw that boy coming back and got inside the car and I was inside the car with the other one.
 Guybon was still sitting down there, and I finished with them, I went inside the house and Debogo said, look Richardson, here is R20, please give it to the boys and take them, don't take them to any taxi's, but make it a point that they go to town.
 We jumped the rail line to the up town, just another section of Muzimuhle, and I stopped a taxi and I told the taxi, please take these boys, take them right to town, here is the R20 and give the change to them and he agreed to do that and they left and I went back home.
 And I got inside and I reported to him as to what happened.  Guybon was still sitting down there, and I went back to Guybon and asked Guybon as to what was bothering him or what was happening and Guybon said Mommy has sent me to come and fetch Sipho and Guybon said, I am with Hotstix Mabuse and I said, Sipho, you and Sipho and he said yes.  And I said, wait a minute and I went back into the house and I told Sipho that Guybon is with me outside and he is saying he is here to fetch you.  Sipho said go and tell Guybon that I am not going and he said he was Hotstix Mabuza and Sipho said I am not going.  Go tell him that I am not going with him.
 I went back to Guybon to tell him and he left.  When you are in my house, looking across you will see a tarred road, it is a busy road used by the taxi's and heavy traffic.  I saw him going across there and I went inside to tell them that I saw a BMW, a red BMW.

MR RICHARD: Then you were in the garden at a certain stage in the proceedings and an event happened.  Let's get to that point?

JERRY RICHARDSON: After Guybon left, I took the hosepipe to water my lawn.  After finishing that, I decided to wash up the car and I opened up the boot and there were balls, footballs inside the boot because people knew that I am a soccer person.
 I washed up the car.  When I turned around, I saw people running, approaching my house.  When I tried to concentrate, I realised that they were coming straight to me.  I knocked at the door and I told them that things are bad outside.  And the Police arrested me, only to find that those police have been surveilling the house and my girl was doing laundry outside and she ran as well.  She ran away, she jumped the fence.
 It is a walled fence, she jumped the fence and I never saw her.  Now, I heard the gun shots, I did not know whether the gun shot was from inside or it was from outside from the Police.
 And I was taken right into the police van.  They closed everything, I could not see anything outside and I heard a gun shot again.

MR RICHARD: And was there any more gun fire and when did you next see something?  See or hear?

JERRY RICHARDSON: Yes, there was shooting until it was quiet.  And I even thought the house was destroyed from all the, and I tried to open the curtain, the window curtain from the van to peep and see as to what was happening outside, but I could not see anything.
 They went back inside the house to search the house, and I was inside the van.  And I kept peeping through the window and I could see that they were doing something in the house.  I saw other two cars arriving, Black Mariah and the ambulance arriving and I was wondering why those cars were coming and I saw three stretchers and that amazed me and I was also removed and we drove to Protea.

MR RICHARD: And how long did you stay in Protea?

JERRY RICHARDSON: I was taken on the 9th of November and was brought back home on the 25th of November.

MR RICHARD: Mr Chairperson, at this juncture there are certain matters that I need to take re-instruction from the witness on.  And I would like a five minute adjournment before I ask him further questions on the disappearance of Lolo Sono?

CHAIRPERSON: I would hope we wouldn't keep having the adjournments that you take your instructions, but I think, I understand having been given your brief, okay, is it possible to take tea?  I think maybe let us take a tea break and get back at twenty five past.

MR RICHARD: I am indebted, Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, thank you.
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CHAIRPERSON: I am sounding like a cracked record.  Order please.  Thank you, are you ready Mr Richard?

MR RICHARD: I am ready.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, could you please continue?

MR RICHARD: I shall do my best Chairperson.  Right, Mr Richardson, we were at the point that a shootout had happened and you were in Protea police station.
 Now, you came out on the 25th of November 1988, where did you go once you left the police station?

JERRY RICHARDSON: I went to Mrs Mandela's place in Diepkloof extension.

MR RICHARD: Right, who did you meet there?