Amnesty Hearings — Johannesburg — 1998-06-09

MR TLOUBATLA: Thank you Mr Chairman, I confirm everything that has been said by my learned friend and in as far as the submissions are concerned, I'm also confirming that.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Brink do you prefer to make oral submissions because you can do now if you want to quickly make oral submissions?

MR BRINK: No Mr Chairman I'm not prepared at this stage to make oral submissions.

CHAIRPERSON: Alright.

MR BRINK: In so far as the time is concerned, today is the 10th of June, possibly if submissions could be lodged with the Amnesty Committee by not later than say Friday the 10th of July, would that be enough time for you.

MR AMEEN: That suits me.

MR TLOUBATLA: That will be sufficient time.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Tloubatla when do you think you can deliver you written argument?

MR TLOUBATLA: Probably within 2 weeks or so, I will be able to do that.

CHAIRPERSON: Can you just give us the dates there because we (indistinct) a date.

MR BRINK: 2 Weeks would be the 24th of June, but then allowing for postal delays - they can fax them.

CHAIRPERSON: Just a minute.  What date are we getting there Mr Brink?

MR BRINK: 2 Weeks from today will be the 24th of June, Wednesday the 24th.

CHAIRPERSON: And what's the next Monday?

MR BRINK: The next Monday is the 29th?

CHAIRPERSON: Of June?

MR BRINK: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Tloubatla would you see to it that we receive your written argument by the 29th?

MR TLOUBATLA: Ja, I think it is possible.  (indistinct) that I can't produce, if I'm sending it out on the 24th and whether it will be there by the 29th and in fact I don't know how or where we're going to send it?

MR BRINK: If the written submissions could be sent, as I indicated to you earlier, to the Executive Secretary, Amnesty Committee, 106 Adderly Street, Cape Town.

MR TLOUBATLA: That will be possible.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes we note the 26th of June Mr Tloubatla and will you then, before you ... (intervention)

MR BRINK: 29th.

CHAIRPERSON: 29th I'm sorry.  Before you, or at least at the same time as you will be sending them to us, will you please give a copy to Mr Ameen so that he can have a week to finalise his own (indistinct) he may wish to say something about your written argument?  So Mr Ameen you (indistinct) the following week then?  That will be the first Monday of July.

MR BRINK: That will be the 6th of July.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Brink please do take the telephone numbers and particulars of both Mr Ameen and Mr Tloubatla, very often we have difficulties later in contacting the attorneys concerned.

MR BRINK: I've got that Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: Well we will reserve judgement then in this case until we receive written argument.  And before we formally adjourn we would like to thank everybody who was involved in putting up these proceedings and perhaps also in particular we appreciate the co-operation we received from the public.  Cases of this nature are very difficult, they bring back old memories and open wounds which have temporarily healed and sometimes you understand why people from the audience or the victims sometimes they behave in the way that they've been doing but it needs to be mentioned that we appreciate their co-operation, they've been very co-operative and we appreciate that.  Thank you very much.  We will now adjourn and resume as soon as possible to start with the next matter.

MR BRINK: Yes, Mr Chairman I understand that counsel for some of the applicants just wish to have a word with you in chambers before we proceed with the next application.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes alright.
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