Amnesty Hearings — East London — 1998-04-06

THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU: Okay, it must be Monday or Tuesday, but most probably Tuesday.
ADV. GCABASHE: Okay, let's assume Tuesday, remember it was six years ago, so it's Tuesday?

CHAIRPERSON: It says Tuesday in his affidavit.
ADV. GCABASHE: Tuesday?  Yes continue.

THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU: And then we met at the obstruction that we met there, the Khoso Peace what you call them, that Ciskei Security Man and then we drove off firstly, we went to Lizanzi Location, Lizanzi Location just behind the ....[inaudible]

MR PRIOR: Sorry, who's we, if you'll just help us there, you say "we" the whole time, who was "we", who was with you that there were more that you are referring to we?

THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU: It was myself and Vito.

MR PRIOR: Thanks.

THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU: And then get into the location, Vito and myself stayed there for something like ten minutes, then we when we are sure that those Peace Force vans have drove past to King William's Town and then we went back, back to Tembisa and where we took up arms and then there was Comrade Ntintili so he wanted it, I mean, it was very strategic, if he's driving the Jetta then the police stopped him, right where - issued orders with the ...[inaudible] right, when they stopped him, immediately when they come out of their vehicles I know policemen they use, our people who have films, immediately they come out of their vehicles, we take them, I mean the lot, the plan, we take them so that we are able to continue with our - I mean until we reached the objective.
ADV. GCABASHE: So you actually disposed of the car on the same day?

THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU: Yes.
ADV. GCABASHE: It was one series of actions?

THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU: Yes.
ADV. GCABASHE: Thank you.  No further questions Chair.

MR PRIOR: Mr Chairman, sorry, through the Chair, there's one matter that Mr Stanford raised with us, it's one point I wish to get clarity in my mind.  It's about the note itself, about the postponement, if I may be permitted through the Chair?

CHAIRPERSON: Haven't we heard enough about the postponement?

MR PRIOR: Mr Chairman, with your indulgence and with the Committee's indulgence, you know, it's of paramount importance to the matter.

CHAIRPERSON: Carry on Mr Prior.

MR PRIOR: Mr Xundu, just one aspect.  If the attack on King William's Town Golf Club was postponed which seems to be the impression created by the note, in other words it wasn't -it was planned for a day before the 28th November, then the presence of Mr Radie at the Golf Club then wasn't the issue there was it?  Was the target someone else and I think that's what Mr Stanford was driving at.

THEMBELANI TANDEKILE XUNDU: Ja but because - but we couldn't get there because I couldn't recall postponing the ...[inaudible]

MR PRIOR: I'm just saying if.  If the attack was to occur earlier?

CHAIRPERSON: It could be anything, Mr Prior, there could
have been no great target, it could have been merely to attack the Golf Club.  He says he doesn't remember it.

MR PRIOR: That's the point, Mr Chairman, with respect.

CHAIRPERSON: What's the point, he can't remember and you kept on saying "if" "could" - you can't get anything from him.

MR PRIOR: Thank you Mr Chairman, I see the - I have not further questions.

CHAIRPERSON: I have no questions but I have an enquiry I wish to make.  Mr Mbandazayo, we have received a letter addressed to us, written on behalf of your client by Mr Letlapa Mphashlela, I take it you have seen a copy of it?

MR MBANDAZAYO: Correct Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: We received a similar letter in the hearing we had last week.

MR MBANDAZAYO: I'm also aware of that one Mr Chairman, it went to my office.

CHAIRPERSON: And we do not consider that the letters as such are of any assistance to us, they are not affidavits, the signatures not confirmed - it could be anything.  But we do think it would be of great assistance to us and to your client why Mr Letlapa Mphashlele to come here and give evidence, to tell us as well as the more senior members of APLA what the views of APLA were, what their plans were and matters of that nature.  We have throughout these hearings heard junior ranking people who tell us what they've been told by others but I think and I think I speak for the whole Committee, it would be of great assistance to have a more senior responsible person, who from the letters he writes, obviously still takes a keen interest in these people, to come and assist us and the applicants by telling us what the position is and I don't know if you can make arrangements in that regard?

MR MBANDAZAYO: Mr Chairman I have spoken to the leader of evidence, we are working on that and I'm definitely, Mr Chairman, will arrange a date with the Amnesty Committee.  Definitely I will take it upon myself to do that and that will be - I can say to this Committee that I will make sure that it's possible.

CHAIRPERSON: Good, that I think will be of great assistance to your clients or maybe and to the other persons in other matters because once we have got a picture from the top down, it is so much easier for the people lower down and we would be very obliged if you could make those arrangements, consult with Mr Prior and we'll get a suitable date.

MR MBANDAZAYO: Thank you Mr Chairperson, I will do that.

CHAIRPERSON: Will nine o'clock tomorrow morning suit you?

MR MBANDAZAYO: If it will suit you Mr Chairman.

MR PRIOR: It will suit me Mr Chairman, thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Very well, we will now adjourn until nine o'clock tomorrow morning.
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