Human Rights Violation Hearings — Umtata — 1996-06-20

NANCY XATULA: Firstly, I am interested to know whether it would be possible for the Commission to make investigations concerning Leo's death.  I am sure Mtamo received orders from somebody.  I would like who ordered him to kill Leo.  I would also like the reason and they should give us a valid reason.  Why were they not prosecuted?  I am also interested to know about our Government, this present Government.  How could really our Government, whom we respect very much, could really honour the perpetrators.  It is very strange that the people who were Constables are now high ranking officials.  Why cannot the justice be done?  We want those people to come and ask for forgiveness from us.  These people were persecutors.  They say they have repented.  How could that happen?  Who encouraged them to repent?  We would like the Commission to make investigations about these
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promotions.  We cannot understand how could a person kill or murder somebody and then be promoted thereafter. 
 Thirdly, we would like to find out about the corpses and the bodies that I saw in that mortuary.  I am certain there are people at Sicawu who should know.  Those children who were with Leo there, I do not believe that they were buried properly.  When I took Leo I was the only one who buried him.  We did not hear anything thereafter of any other funerals.  I am really concerned and I would like to know what happened to those bodies.  Do the parents of those children know that their children died also.

MEMBER OF PANEL: Are you finished Mama?

NANCY XATULA: The fourth one is I would like this Commission that it should not have 1993 as the deadline because the people are still dying.  These skirmishes which are all over are the responsibility of these people.  I think the Commission can think of any type of help or assistance that they can give.  I am ending my presentation.  Thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Dr Mgojo.

KHOZA MGOJO: Mama, we would like to get some clarification.  You mentioned something in your statement.  You said two cars were stolen and you also say they are known.

NANCY XATULA: Yes, there are two cars which were taken by the police.  It was XV, it was van 1609.  They said they were stolen.  The case was on and it was discovered that they were not stolen.  During the court proceedings we saw a car, one of my cars in the garage, Ronnies garage and when we asked about this it was said the car was brought in by the police.  When they realised that we have identified the car they removed it from that garage.  Then we were acquitted.  When we went there to collect our van the van was nowhere to UMTATA HEARING EASTERN CAPE PROVINCE
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be found.  Even today we cannot find that van.  Our Sprinter also disappeared.

KHOZA MGOJO: What would you like the Commission to do about that?

NANCY XATULA: I would really like the Commission to try and investigate about the vehicles which disappeared.

CHAIRPERSON: Mrs Xatula I would like to thank you very much.  It is strange to realise that some of the things that you are saying, it seems as if it was, it were things which happened yesterday.  When you were contacting us telephonically and you were making enquiries about this gentlemen.  It really touches us ...
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