Human Rights Violation Hearings — Mabopane — 1997-05-08

BETTY SKHOSANA: At his place, yes, no, yes he had guns.

MS SEROKE: Did they find those guns?

BETTY SKHOSANA: I don't know whether they found them at the place where they shot him.

MS SEROKE: Have you ever seen those guns at his place?

BETTY SKHOSANA: Yes.

MS SEROKE: What did he say he was using those guns for?

BETTY SKHOSANA: He said he protected himself from the police with those guns.

MS SEROKE: Did he say he defended himself?

BETTY SKHOSANA: Yes.

MS SEROKE: What did they do to cause him to defend himself.

BETTY SKHOSANA: The Bop police wanted to arrest him, but there was nothing wrong that he did or a warrant of arrest for him.

MS SEROKE: You said he was involved in the activities of APLA. Was he a (indistinct) or a (indistinct), because in the statement it is said that he was an APLA (indistinct), who was working with Victor Tulari of Attridgeville. Do you know Victor Tulari?

BETTY SKHOSANA: Yes, I know him.

MS SEROKE: Were the two of them (indistinct)?

BETTY SKHOSANA: I don't know. His father knows most of these things.

MS SEROKE: When they started assaulting you, you said that you had been operated and your teeth were removed.

BETTY SKHOSANA: Yes.

MS SEROKE: What was wrong with your teeth?

BETTY SKHOSANA: My teeth were loose and the others had shifted..... (tape ends)

MS SEROKE: Where is Moses' parents at this present moment?

BETTY SKHOSANA: They are present.

MS SEROKE: Didn't Moses' father bring in his statement?

BETTY SKHOSANA: He did.

MS SEROKE: Is Moses' friends at Bosplaas still present, can he come up and submit a statement, because Moses was shot at Bosplaas and you know that, and he said 22 bullets were used to shoot him.

BETTY SKHOSANA: They have written on a paper that they used 22 bullets, but when he going home, we realised there were 24 holes.

MS SEROKE: Was there any post mortem conducted after his death? Did you receive documents on the post mortem?

BETTY SKHOSANA: I don't know whether his father has got these papers.

MS SEROKE: Did you receive a death certificate?

BETTY SKHOSANA: Yes, but there is nothing written on it.

MS SEROKE: Didn't they explain? You said here that City Press reported this matter. Have you got a copy of City Press?

BETTY SKHOSANA: My father has that copy.

MS SEROKE: We would like you to bring us that copy of City Press, the matter in it and the death certificate.

BETTY SKHOSANA: Yes I'll do that.

MS SEROKE: What is Moses' father doing about that issue?

BETTY SKHOSANA: I think that I should have brought him here, but they had a meeting at work.

MS SEROKE: Did you have a child with Moses?

BETTY SKHOSANA: No.

MS SEROKE: Are you still staying with your parents?

BETTY SKHOSANA: No, I stay at home.

MS SEROKE: Thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Betty, I just want to know, are you working at the moment?

BETTY SKHOSANA: No, I am not working. I wish to be employed one day but it is not possible because of the condition of my leg.

CHAIRPERSON: What standard did you reach at school?

BETTY SKHOSANA: Standard 9.

CHAIRPERSON: Betty, I must thank you on behalf of...., there's a question.

DR RANDERA: Betty, just one question. This gentleman, Victor Tulari of Attridgeville, is he still alive?

BETTY SKHOSANA: Yes. He works at the Garankuwa Hospital. I think I can give only the phone numbers, but I don't have them in my head.

CHAIRPERSON: Betty, we've listened to your story and we feel with you, it was in 1992, it was five years ago when your life was shattered and your dreams and your ideals were shattered, when you were beaten up by the police, when you heard the terrible news of your boyfriend that was killed and everything fell apart. It must have been terrible but we are so grateful that you did survive in a wonderful way and we know that you suffer still from the marks of what happened to you but we do hope and do wish you all the best for the future.
 We will take up all these things that you've said, if you can provide us with that City Press article, and with the telephone number of this person in Garankuwa Hospital, it will help us a lot, and as soon as we can, we will come back to you with the information we have. Thank you for coming and please greet your family, your parents and also Moses' parents from all of us. Thank you very much.
 I would like to call now Mabina Mojapelo, Mabina Mojapelo. If there are still people in the hall that need to make statements, please remember that you can go outside and ask for Sello and he will help you to find somebody to make your statement to. We need all the statements that we can get from the area.