Amnesty Hearings — Durban — 1998-10-22

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Thank you very much, I am indebted to that yes.  In Kanyile, the person written then in addition to what I shall get, I think the employer would be a good source, according to the IU report, the name is Bongikwakhe Gabriel Kanyile.
	Bongikwakhe Gabriel Kanyile, the relationship also is the brother.  But attempts would be made as suggested, as correctly suggested.  Mr Chairman, also may I conclude by stating that in both incidents, the implicated persons, are known, they were served via the PAC offices, and my learned friend can confirm that, but they chose not to do anything with it, but I have their names, and they were served.
	Thank you Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Mpshe.   Mr Mchunu, I see you are here, are you here for Mr Ntuli's application?

MR MCHUNU: That is correct Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: Are you in a position to commence with it, not exactly right now, but I think we will take the lunch adjournment, are you ready to proceed?

MR MCHUNU: Yes, I am ready, we have agreed with my learned friend that we are going to start at two o'clock, immediately after lunch.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, maybe a bit earlier than that, can we start at say quarter to two?

MR MCHUNU: Quarter to two is fine Mr Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Quarter to two.  Thank you.  Mr Ngema, that brings your hearing to an end.  A decision will be made as soon as possible in the near future, and it will be handed down in writing, and you will be informed most likely through Mr Mbandazayo's office in the near future.
	We are now taking the lunch adjournment and we will reconvene at quarter to two to commence with the application of Mr Ntuli.  Thank you.
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CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mpshe, I believe that we've got, you have told us that we've got difficulties in starting the Ntuli application as we expected to, after lunch because the victims of the, the family of the victims are not present at court.
	I also believe Mr Mchunu, you have made arrangements for the matter to be able to be proceeded with as early as possible tomorrow morning?

MR MCHUNU: Yes, that is correct.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, we are indebted to you Mr Mchunu for making those arrangements and for assisting us in that regard. Unfortunately we will not be able to proceed with this, the families of victims do have a right in terms of the Act, to be here and this matter was originally set down for tomorrow, but was brought forward in the hope that we could deal with it earlier and we could have actually dealt with it earlier, but the bringing of it forward, didn't suit the victims' families, they can only be here tomorrow.
	In the circumstances, this matter will have to be postponed until tomorrow, and I apologise for any inconvenience caused by the postponement.  Mr Mpshe, we do have argument at half past eight in the Gwamanda matter, but that argument really shouldn't take too long.
	One would hope that we would be able to start this matter at about nine o'clock, do you think?

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: I am envisaging starting at nine o'clock with this matter, tomorrow.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, and then I think one of the difficulties as well, usual difficulties is when the applicant is in prison, that the applicant be here on time.  Can you make special arrangements or some sort of arrangement that Mr Ntuli is here by half past eight as well as Mr Gwamanda?

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Actually Mr Chairman, myself and Mr Mchunu, we spoke to the Correctional Service personnel, they promised that at half past eight, he will he would be here.  We have already arranged.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much.  Once again, I apologise for the inconvenience caused by the postponement, but hopefully we will be able to get this matter under way by nine o'clock tomorrow morning.
	Thank you very much.  The matter is then postponed until 9 o'clock tomorrow, that is the 23rd of October 1998 at this venue, thank you.
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