Amnesty Hearings — Cape Town — 2000-06-21

MR KAHANOVITZ: Now, also just to put it in its context, I don't know, Mr Burger, if you are aware of the circumstances under which this diary came to be discovered, but I am sure your lawyer will be able to confirm that the investigators from the Harms Commission attended on the CCB offices, they found very little.  One of the few things that they did find was this diary.
	Are you aware of that?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Now, let's look at page 1.  I am just going to ask you to note as we go along, I am going to refer you to several entries concerning the procurement of ammunition, handgrenades, limpet mines and when I get to the end, I am going to ask you to add up all of those together and ask you a question about it, but just keep a record if you like, as we go along, as to the number of occasions on which hardware, if that is the right word, is procured.
	Mr Chairman, I also just want to confirm, this is in fact, it is a 1989 diary.

CHAIRPERSON: The ...

MS COLERIDGE: At the bottom.

MR KAHANOVITZ: I think the other thing I should point out, and I will deal with this when Mr Basson gives his evidence, but that pages were torn out of this diary at, the dates are in close proximity to the Early Learning Centre and the assassination of Lubowski, so there are, the diary is not complete.  There were also certain pages where portions of the pages were cut out.
	All right, then looking at page 1, you will note on top it says -
"... Organise ammunition, Region 6, .45 and 9mm",
	do you agree?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Turn the page, I should just place on record I suppose, those are calibres of ammunition, correct, .45 and 9mm?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Turn the page to page 2, entry for the 20th of January says
"... Pick up ammo at ET,"
	looks like, correct?  Do you have any idea what the words ET refer to?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: No.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Then the 23rd of January, three days later
"... Organise ammo, Region 6 ..."
	correct, top of the page?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Then on the 22nd of January ...

MR LAX: Sorry, can I just stop you, seeing as we are going chronologically?  If you look in the first column on the page 20 January, it looks like "get bombs Region 6" or "ry bomme", or something.

MR KAHANOVITZ: It may well be "by bome", maybe we can ask the ...

MR LAX: Oh, fair enough.

MR KAHANOVITZ: We will ask Mr Basson that.

CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, would you say that is "bome", trees?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: It looks, fortunately it looks like trees, yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Well, maybe Mr Basson will be able to explain.

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

GEORGE BIZOS: It is "bome", one "m" or two "m's"?

MR KAHANOVITZ: "Bomme" is two "m's", "bome" is one "m".  All right, if you could go to page - the administrative names of the four members of Region 6 appear there under the heading "salary" and for instance next to your name, Bert, it records that you received R4 978-96 and then you appear to have signed for that, using your administrative name, is that correct?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: It is correct.

MR KAHANOVITZ: So that is the false signature that you were using?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: To collect your salary?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: And are these your accounting records?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: No sir.

MR KAHANOVITZ: These are not  your accounting records?  Because this would appear to be the receipts for payment of salary?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: No, I don't know why, I cannot remember, but we did sign for it.

MR KAHANOVITZ: You would obviously be asked to sign so that there was some record that you had received it?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: You didn't sign any other document in receipt of your salary, or did you?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes, I think we did.

MR KAHANOVITZ: On the following page, page 5, entry of the 30th of January, and Mr Chairman, also just not to confuse matters too much, I should point out that Mr Basson was not only the Co-ordinator of Region 6, when the evidence is led, it will be that he co-ordinated other Regions as well.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I think we have already had that information.

MR KAHANOVITZ: I think so, all right.  Then, 30th of January you will see it says
"... organise ammo, 9mm and .22."
	Again those are calibres of ammunition?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: All right, then it says, the next entry
"... NB.  Talk to Jack about Bert about tomorrow about master plan."
	Now, Jack is Joe Verster, you are Bert, what is the master plan that is being referred to?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Chairperson, I am trying to recall all the terms, I am not au fait with Defence Force terms, but the master plan was the overall plan and aims leading to the master plan, in totality I would say the strategies and methods that had to be applied to destabilise the enemy overhead.

CHAIRPERSON: Are you just assuming that, thinking back now, or are you saying that you know that as a fact?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: I cannot state it as a fact, I am trying to formulate it as such.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Did this suggest that there was going to be a meeting where you were going to discuss the master plan?  You will also see in the bottom left hand corner of that page, under the heading
"... Priorities - master plan suggestions ..."

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: To win the war.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Win, etc, etc.  Can you just tell us briefly what was the master plan?  Can't remember?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: No, I cannot specify but I think the aim would be to destabilise the enemy and to hurt where you can.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Okay.  Then page 6, the 3rd of February you will see more ammunition, correct?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes, ammo.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Ammo.   Then page 7, the 7th of February, there is a reference to the ECC, which I take it is a reference to the End Conscription Campaign?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes, it could be.

MR KAHANOVITZ: Were you particularly interested in the End Conscription Campaign at that stage?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: yes.

MR KAHANOVITZ: It says
"... ECC detail where (it looks like wherefrom) ..."
	did you attend any meetings where the ECC was discussed?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes, we discussed the ECC at my regional level.

MR KAHANOVITZ: At which level?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: On regional level.

MR KAHANOVITZ: And what was said?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: That apart from the information we got from the information table, from the information structure from the CCB itself, we must concentrate on obtaining more access to the ECC.

MR KAHANOVITZ: You want to infiltrate them?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Infiltrate ...

MR KAHANOVITZ: But what sort of information were you looking for?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: We wanted to identify our targets by getting the information from inside, to learn when there would be special meetings, who would be involved in the undermining.

MR KAHANOVITZ: And did you manage the infiltration?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: No.

MR KAHANOVITZ: That might explain some of the evidence that you gave about Gavin Evans, but I will get to that later.
	Now, the 10th of February, page 8, the second line from the top, you will see more ammunition, ammo?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: Yes, just ammo.

MR KAHANOVITZ: All right.  Then 14th of February, the next page, page 9, you will see there is a block there on the original diary, that is in fact one of those "post-it" stickers, these kinds of stickers.  Now, I am not sure whether, were you involved in any of the activities that Mr Basson was involved in in Zimbabwe?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: No.

MR KAHANOVITZ: So, the reference to "Mugabe dood", you cannot help us with that?

DANIEL F DU TOIT BURGER: He is still alive today.  No, I don't know.