Amnesty Hearings — Richards Bay — 1998-04-14

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: At the time, there was an IFP rally at the Stadium in J2, and as the rally was in progress, two ANC youth came and they opened fire.  Everybody fled and some got injured and everybody ran around.
	The leaders who were there themselves, escaped.  Prince Gideon Zulu himself was present at the rally.  He too fell at some point and he was infuriated that he could be treated that way.
	That very same day, in the evening, we had a meeting.  He was really angry, asking what our duties are if the ANC is still so strong and still has the capacity to disrupt our meetings.
	We tried to give reasons and he then told us that we should use the same strategies that were used by the ANC, because the ANC is shooting indiscriminately leadership, followership and everybody and that was very dangerous to the organisation because we are dealing with people here and the issue is support.
	People would follow the kind of an organisation where there would be protection because protection is exactly what the people want.  A person would not join an organisation if he cannot be protected and therefore we should not allow ourselves to target only leadership, we should just attack indiscriminately so that the ANC can realise that they are being beaten and they, by so doing, will weaken and this is how we can gain support.  This is how our movement will benefit.
	We realised on observing this from the political point of view, we noted the sense in his so saying and it was agreed that we are going to adopt the strategy that we should also attack the ANC supporters, shoot them at the bus stops, because there were also demarcations.
	For example at eMalahleni, if a person who belongs to the IFP would attempt to go there, it would be trouble, because that is an ANC area.   An ANC member would not put his foot at J2, because that is an Inkatha stronghold, and therefore we are fighting over support.  The idea is that one should at the end of the day, throw in the towel.
	We undertook to hit everybody, even if it were two people, so that people should flee from the ANC, people should realise that the ANC is not invincible.
	That is what Prince Gideon Zulu after the meeting, that was disrupted at J2, instructed us to start doing.

MR WILLS: As I understand things, it wasn't only Gideon Zulu who was aware of this change of strategy, can you tell us who else was?  Or who was, sorry let me rephrase that, were any other persons in authority supportive of this change of strategy that was initiated by Prince Gideon Zulu?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: There was Nkosi Mataba from Nyoni, he was a member of the Executive and also a member of the Legislature of the then KwaZulu government.  There was also Mrs Mbuyasi and she was not yet a member of Parliament at the time, she was still a leader of Inkatha in this region.
	Nkosi Mataba was also present and Mrs Mbuyasi and Counsellor Nzuza of J1.

MR WILLS: Thank you.  You had a meeting some time at Klangenani Hall in eSikaweni where certain problematical persons were identified and here I refer you to paragraph 42 and on page 94 of the record.
	Can you tell the Committee members and members of the public, who some of those persons were?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: The first person I will start by the Police, there was Captain Masinga.  At that time he was not yet a Captain.  Because Masinga was alleged to be an ANC agent, and the ANC had bought a car for him, we were no longer safe because we could be arrested and attacked.
	Because Masinga had been given money by the ANC and he had now become an ANC agent, and was supplying information for them.
	There was also Captain Manzini.  He was involved in a lot of issues.  He was alleged to have fetched some people who had been trained elsewhere, that rumour was later dispelled and he was alleged to be an ANC member and the ANC also claimed that he was an IFP member.
	Such that we didn't know which was his status.  Eventually we realised that he had tried to be a double agent, working for both the ANC and the IFP.  And he also wanted to look trustworthy in the KwaZulu Police.
	It therefore appeared that he was dangerous, even though he was not a fully fledged ANC member, he was dangerous because if the ANC gave him money, we would be in trouble.  Therefore he was also included in the list.
	Sergeant Khumalo was included in the list as well, Sergeant Alec Khumalo.  We knew him as Mlomomanzi.  It was alleged that he had taken ten dockets that involved certain operations that had been carried out by the IFP, and he had taken these dockets to the ANC.
	It was alleged that he had been seen at some meeting with Mr Mtimkhulu and it was suspected that at this meeting, this dockets were discussed, therefore Khumalo was on a plan to get us arrested, and we would be exposed.

MR WILLS: Just on a point of clarity, the Mr Mtimkhulu that you mentioned there in your evidence, was Mr Welcome Mtimkhulu who was regarded by the eSikhawini community as a prominent ANC person, is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is correct.  He was also included in the list to be attacked, he was a prominent ANC person.

MR WILLS: Yes, and I see in your affidavit you mention the fourth Policeman as Sergeant Dhlamini, is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is true.

MR WILLS: Why was he on the list?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: In the first instance he was attacked because he had given information to the Goldstone Commission, that investigated hit squad activities.  He had also been seen with certain boys who were alleged to be MK members.  He had a lot of contact with ANC persons.
	I personally saw him at the eSikhawini Police station there was a portrait of Dr M.G. Buthelezi.  Dhlamini would look at this portrait or this picture, and swear at it or insult the portrait.
	We observed this kind of behaviour.  Sometimes if there were IFP rallies or maybe the annual celebration at Stanger, we will be told by the Brigadier to use State vehicles to ferry the IFP Women's Brigade to the celebration.
	When Dhlamini saw us doing this, when he saw State vehicles being used by these women, he would utter obscenities, even to the IFP President.  Such behaviour made Dhlamini appear to be strongly against Inkatha, but when I got the instruction that he should be attacked, what I have just explained, was not put forth.
	The reason that was put forward was that he had become a danger to the organisation, because he had been in contact with the Goldstone Commission, which could expose our covert activities and people could be arrested.  That was the danger that was being averted.
	That was the reason there was this insistence that he should be killed.

SISI KHAMPEPE: Mr Wills, may I intervene and find out who exactly was advancing the reasons given by Mr Mkhize as making these targets eligible for elimination?