Amnesty Hearings — Durban — 1998-03-26

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes, I can read.  He wrote what was said by me.

CHAIRPERSON: Well now if you look at that page on page 2 where the names are written - just let him have it again please, did you give him the first name, Vusi Muzi Mundungazi Gaziboni Mbokazi?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I do not know this name Vusimuzi Mbokazi.  There are people who were shot in the house that I did not know.  I was told these names by the policeman.

CHAIRPERSON: Now then in the second line it also said also known as Botha do you see that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I cannot dispute that Botha is also Vusimuzi Mbokazi because I did not know his real names.

CHAIRPERSON: Now what is the second name?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: (... no English translation)

CHAIRPERSON: What is his name?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: (...no English translation)

CHAIRPERSON: Read the third name.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes I can read, that third name is his.  His name is Ngoso Dludla.  I cannot dispute that his other name is Bonginkosi Khanyile.  I only know him as Ngoso Dludla.

CHAIRPERSON: It says Ngoso?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I cannot dispute that.

CHAIRPERSON: Also known as Bonginkosi Khanyile.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I do not know.

CHAIRPERSON: So in respect of all these incidents in which you took part in killing you were not arrested nor were you charged?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes, that is true.

CHAIRPERSON: Why?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I know what caused all that.

CHAIRPERSON: I would like to know?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: The reason why we were never arrested is because many police officers in Eshowe police station were IFP members.  They were also providing us with information.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, do complete your questioning.

MR ALBERTS: Okay the person you know as Khanyile and Ngoso Dludla is that the same person?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I will admit that that is the same person because that is how it is written down.

MR ALBERTS: What I am trying to find out, you gave us an explanation of how you stabbed one Bonginkosi Khanyile and he was later shot, is that the same person as Ngoso Dludla?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: The person who was stabbed and shot was not Ngoso Dludla.  Dludla's story is still a long one.

MR ALBERTS: You were not present when Ngoso Dludla was shot, is that right?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I was present when Ngoso Dludla was killed.

MR ALBERTS: Was a decision taken to have ...(intervention)

CHAIRPERSON: Hold it, "I was present" where?  What happened?

MR MALAN: What was your question Mr Alberts, was he present where?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I was present when a decision was taken that he should be killed.  I was also present when he was killed.

MR ALBERTS: Who else was present when the plan was made to kill him?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Thandazani Linda, Mr Nyawuza, Muhle Mthethwa and myself were there.

MR ALBERTS: Who is Thandazani Linda?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Thandazani Linda came from eNseleni.  He was the guard in Mr Nyawuza's house.

MR ALBERTS: Muhle Mthethwa who was he?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Muhle Mthethwa was an IFP member from Mandini.

MR ALBERTS: Why was it decided that Mr Dludla had to be murdered?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I cannot say why Mr Ngoso Dludla was killed because this was not done by my hand.  What I know is that Mr Nywwuza was not in good terms with Dludla because of the attack on his wife.  Mr Nyawuza's wife was shot in 1993 ...[intervention]

CHAIRPERSON: Just give us the name of the person?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I do not know Mr Dlulane's name.  His familiar name in the location is Nyawuza.

MR ALBERTS: Is that the same person you have been referring to in your previous testimony?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Alright so now I am not fast, I didn't take down.  I want you to tell me now why do you think that Ngoso Dludla was killed?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: The reason why Ngoso Dludla was killed is because Mr Nyawuza's house was one day attacked, and his wife was shot.

MR ALBERTS: What is the name of the wife of Dlulane Nyawusa?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Fakazile Gumede.

MR ALBERTS: Was it suspected that Dludla had something to do with the killing of this lady?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: He was suspected.  They in fact said he should be the first person to be killed.

MR ALBERTS: But you didn't know it, you just accepted the word of the other people at this meeting?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.

MR ALBERTS: And what was then decided regarding Mr Dludla?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: It was decided that he should be fatally shot.

MR ALBERTS: How long was the plan to have him killed implemented?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: It took a long time for Mr Ngoso Dludla to be killed because his parents had taken him away from the area and he was now attending school at Gqikazi in Nongoma area, where he was with Nyawuza's children.

MR ALBERTS: Just to come back regarding one aspect of this meeting, was it decided between the people at the meeting that he should be killed or was an order given?

CHAIRPERSON: What is meant by: "an order given" when they are all agreeing among themselves that he should be killed? Who issues orders then?

MR ALBERTS: Mr Chairman I am just trying to establish was it decided between themselves or was it somebody who made the decision on their behalf.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: We, as supporters, were just told what we were supposed to do.  We would then follow that order.

MR ALBERTS: From who did you receive this instruction?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Mr Nyawuza.

MR ALBERTS: When did this meeting take place, can you remember the date?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I think we decided about Dludla in 1992.

MR ALBERTS: And how long after this meeting was Mr Dludla in fact murdered?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: He was killed in Easter in 1993.

MR ALBERTS: Can you tell us how it happened that he was killed?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: On that day, the Thursday, I was supposed to leave for Newcastle.  However, I did not leave because the ANC was going to hold a meeting in Nyanini.  I then saw Mr Dludla leaving the place he was staying and he went to a shebeen.

MR ALBERTS: Were you waiting for him at that time?  Did you know that he was going to pass by there?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I was visiting at Khuzwayo's house when I saw him walking past.

CHAIRPERSON: Where was this ANC rally to be held?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: It was going to in Nyanini.  It was not a rally, but a meeting.

CHAIRPERSON: Oh I thought you said it was a rally, maybe it is the translation.

MR ALBERTS: Just to come back to my question.

CHAIRPERSON: Hold it.
	Dludla was on his way to an ANC meeting at Nyanini, and then what happened?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: He went to a shebeen, and stayed there until late in the evening.  The people who were ordered to kill him namely Muhle Mthethwa from Mandini and Thandazani Linda were there.  When he came out, they then shot him.  They carried him after he died and put him in the passage near his house.

CHAIRPERSON: Just tell us who shot him?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Muhle Mthethwa is the one who fired a shot.

MR ALBERTS: Were you present when he was shot?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I was present and saw everything

MR ALBERTS: After the body was dumped what ...(intervention)

CHAIRPERSON: Sorry did anybody else take part in the shooting besides Muhle Mthethwa?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Nobody else shot him.  After that, Thandazani and Muhle carried him and dumped his body in the passage near his house.

MR ALBERTS: After the body ...(intervention)

CHAIRPERSON: Please just hold it.
	What passage are you talking about? You say the body was dumped next to the passage, what passage was that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: This is a thoroughfare used by pedestrians in the location when they go to other sections in the location.

MR ALBERTS: And after the body was dumped what happened?