Special Hearings — Mandela United Football Club Hearings — UNKNOWN

MS D CHILI: I just wanted to thank Todo for coming to alert us about the alleged killing of Sibusiso because I have always lived with that admiration for him that he had the guts, no matter how dangerous it was for him, to come and notify us that Sibusiso was about to be killed.  And Sibusiso is alive today because of Todo because otherwise they would have been caught unaware by the people who wanted to kill them, that's why I want to say thank you very much Todo.

DR BORAINE: Thank you very much.  I am very glad you have taken the opportunity to do that.
  I assume Mr Unterhalter you are complete?

MR UNTERHALTER: I have Chairperson.

DR BORAINE: Can I just then before I ask you to stand down, just make a brief comment to the effect that you and your family have suffered a great deal, like so many other people suffered during those difficult years.  Whoever was responsible for that, whether it be the burning of the house, the killing, the attempted killing the suffering is real, no one can dispute that, that you have suffered a great deal, and we are grateful that you have had the courage to come here today and to share that with us.
 Can I also express the hope that if it was not possible then to find some reconciliation that perhaps as a direct result of this hearing, of coming together, that between yourself and Mrs Madikizela-Mandela, and I would put the comment to both of you, that there may be some opportunity outside this forum to find each other, I hope that will happen and I hope there will be an opportunity to do that, because if only that happens, if only that happens then seven days of hearing would have been worthwhile.  Thank you very much indeed.  You may stand down.  Hanif.

MR VALLY: With Mr Semenya's permission I will just read paragraph 1 and then from 11 onwards if you are happier rather than reading everything.

DR BORAINE: Proceed please.

MR VALLY: Thank you.
"My name is Vusi Madida.  I was born in Mozambique and I am presently living in Johannesburg".
I go on to paragraph 11 -
"In November/December 1992, after there was a lot of publicity around weapon smuggling from Mozambique to South Africa I decided to go to the police and give the information I had about Alex Mamba and his involvement in weapon smuggling from Mozambique.  I went to the police station in West Street in Durban, I met with a policeman in civilian clothes.  After 15 minutes I was fetched by a police car, I was taken to C R Swart police station in Durban.  We had a discussion and he told me to write down my story and to come back after a couple of days.  He also told me he had been a Koevoet member.  Furthermore he gave me his telephone number.  I cannot remember the name of this police officer but I gave the name in a statement to representatives from the organisation, Lawyers for Human Rights in 1993.
 I went home and wrote down my story.  I contacted the police officer the next day.  I met him the same evening.  He took me to the beach front in Durban and I gave him the statement.  He was not satisfied and said he wanted more information about ANC members, ANC training, ANC offices etc.  He also showed me photographs of ANC members.  I identified some people from photos that he showed me.  He gave me R300 in cash and also asked me to go to KwaMashu township, J Section to see if I recognised any MK soldiers.  I was told to inform him if I identified any MK members.  
 I met a girl that I knew from my time in exile, she showed me around and I met a number of MK soldiers that I could point out for the police.  After I delivered some information I was asked to leave Durban and to go to Johannesburg.  They wanted me to work for the police in Johannesburg.  I was told to contact the police in Durban as soon as I arrived to get further instruction.
 When I came back to Johannesburg I went to the Madida's house where I had stayed before.  I contacted the police in Durban and I was asked to go to Shell House and try to identify some of the people there.  I phoned the police in Durban and told them that I had identified some people then they told me they wanted to meet at the Carlton Centre, this was in December 1992.  I was later introduced to two people, probably from Johannesburg CID.  I was told to contact them again.
 In mid-January 1993 I was told by the policeman from Johannesburg that I should go to KwaThema Social Welfare to get help.  Everything was arranged, I went there and they arranged a house for me to stay in.  Later I was contacted and taken to Springs police station.  At the Springs police station I met with police officer Mr Bowen.  He instructed me to cooperate with some other people that would contact me at a later stage. 
 Furthermore he told me to tell these people that I had been involved in violent operations with other black people.  According to the instructions I should tell these people that we had been given instructions by Mrs Winnie Mandela and that she also on some of the occasions had participated in the operations.  The operations were about killings at train stations and in townships.  
 I was taken to certain places by the police and showed the scenes of previous incidents.  At these places I was given detailed instructions about which stories I should tell the people who would contact me at a later stage.  I was also told to implicate ANC members that I knew in these operations.  I was furthermore instructed to mention Alex Mamba as the weapon supplier and that we also, on a few occasions, got weapons from Mrs Winnie Mandela.  I remember that I was instructed to mention that I was involved in the Thokoza massacre, Mzimhlope train station massacre...."
it says "Kalweni massacre" here, I see it's (...indistinct)
".... all those incidents took place in 1991/1992.  I was given these instructions at the Springs Police station, I was given R400 the same day, this was in the beginning of February 1993.
 On the 12th of February 1993 I was called to the Social Welfare Department, I met with people who I later understood were from Lawyers for Human Rights, they told me they wanted to speak with me about my role as an informer, they took me to their offices, the office on Von Weilig Street in Johannesburg, there was also a man from ANC Intelligence Service who came to see me.  I was interviewed for a couple of months by different people from the LHR, they didn't believe me so I finally confessed that it was a set-up.  
 Later I was sent to the Goldstone Commission, I stayed for two months under the witness protection, however, I was interviewed by members of the Security Branch head office and I didn't trust them so I decided not to cooperate.
 I left the Goldstone Commission in July 1993.  Later when I applied for an extension of my passport I was arrested and taken to John Vorster police station.  I was interrogated and forced to give them information as to where to find weapons.  I showed them a place in Dube in Soweto where they found six AK-47's and one Makarov pistol.  This was in block 8B.  After this I was deported to Mozambique.  This was on 16th of October 1993.  
 I do not remember the names of all the people from the police that I met but I think I gave the names to the Goldstone Commission.  There should be documentation available from my testimony before the Goldstone Commission.
 Vusi Madida".