Amnesty Hearings — Bloemfontein — 2000-06-14

MR MBANDAZAYO: Thank you Chairperson.  Chairperson, no submission except that I would like to highlight because I left the Committee in the lurch in some of the questions I wanted the applicant to answer, like as my colleague indicated, ask the motto.  I did not get the answer to the motto, whether the applicant ...
	Chairperson it's correct what has been said by my colleague that it was not correct, the motto of the PAC itself, serve, suffer, sacrifice, SSS, which of course is basic, it's the first thing you are taught, it's serve, suffer, sacrifice  for the organisation and also Chairperson, what I wanted to highlight was the aims and objectives of the PAC.  Of course, Chairperson, they are five in all, aims and objectives of the PAC which you are taught when you join the organisation.  Of course the first one everybody knows, to unite and rally the Africans under the ...(indistinct) of African Nationalism, there are five of them, Chairperson, so I wanted to highlight that.
	And thirdly Chairperson, I wanted to highlight the question of the operations.  The Committee knows that there's a difference between repossession unit and the offensive side, they were totally different and of course it was known that it was code name Beauty Salon, the repossessing units and their modus operandi definitely were totally different Chairperson, as compared to the other side, which was an offensive side.  Specifically their's was to repossess and of course, Chairperson it was for specific targets and of course Chairperson, I know that not all of the farmers' farms were targeted for repossession.  It was let by Tabelo Paseko.
	So the offensive unit, of course their's was to go and attack, they would never take anything - leave everything as it is.  Of course there were instances where they would say, as a soldier if you see a gun, you cannot leave it lying there, you will take it, which is understandable, as long as you've not put the other members in problem, or killed in the process when you are doing that.
	We had a similar instance here in Bloemfontein regarding Wesselsbron attack, where members of APLA the offensive unit, went to attack and repossess and the Committee wanted an explanation in as much as they asserted that they did not dispute that they were APLA members, but they wanted to know why an offensive unit went to go and repossess and Letlapa Mphahlele has come and made an affidavit as to why that repossession unit, a specialised unit was not available at that time and the operation had to be taken and as a result they made a mess of that operation, they left the money which they wanted there, the only thing they did was to attack.  They only took cheques which were useless at the end of the day.  
	So what I'm trying to say Chairperson, is that there was indeed separation.

CHAIRPERSON: ... which appeared, I don't know how many times.

MR MBANDAZAYO: Yes, Chairperson, that's why I wanted to - that's the only submission Chairperson.  Chairperson, I'm not going to make any submissions because they won't take our case any further regarding this matter.  The applicant has put his case and I think it's enough for the Committee to reach a fair and a just decision in this matter.  Thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Mbandazayo.  Ms Mtanga.

MS MTANGA: Chairperson, I have no submissions to make.  Thank you.
NO SUBMISSIONS BY MS MTANGA

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Mbandazayo and Ms Mtanga.  Mr Pudumo, will you sit down for a while.  The Committee reserves its decision.  We are required by the Act, the TRC Act that our decisions should be in writing.  We are going to deliberate on your matter and at the earliest convenience you will be advised in writing, you will be given the decision as well which we have reached.  I must thank you Mr Mbandazayo and Ms Mtanga for your assistance.  	We will adjourn for tea for 15 minutes and then we'll resume with the application of Gqomfa.
COMMITTEE ADJOURNS