Human Rights Violation Hearings — Umtata — 1996-06-19

NONTOBEKO DULI: He said to me, at the time there were many people who were being arrested and one of them, people like Vanda, Mr Moletsana, and others that I cannot remember now, especially that side of Ghamada and (indistinct).  He said to me that he was being connected with these people, because they wanted the government to go back to the people.  That's what he said to me.  He was then taken by this cousin, he
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was arrested, but I don't know where he was arrested until much later. I was quite shocked by this.  
 So quickly I went to Gen Holomisa. I said to him, but you have been working so harmoniously together, what happened.  He said to me no, Tobsi, you can't know everything.  He didn't give me any details, but he assured me that my husband will not be arrested for long. But he just reminded me that the reason why I am still alive is because of my husband.  He said to me no, Craig is going to come back, he won't be away for long.  
 But because I was still too shocked by this, I also went to Titzi Mantanzima, also asking him, what happened, what is going on now.  Titzi said to me there is a friction now between these two men, such that he even tried to have another meeting with them. That is now the general and my husband. He said he did try to meet with them, to find out what is going on now, why are they not united any more.  They each give me reasons.  But then he told me now the reasons why my husband was arrested. Apparently he was also connected with the people that I have mentioned before.  But I was told no, it won't be long.  
 I tried to get lawyers to get an interdict, because I was not allowed to go and see him.  The last time I saw him was on the 27th of April. He used to write letters to me, sending them to me, saying that no, I must endure, he will come back.  He has been trying to plead that he must be treated like another human being.  All this time trying to, they were trying to reassure me about my husband.  
 I even went to the security at Botha Sigcau, asking why isn't he being charged, I mean it has been a long time now.  My husband was never charged, since the 27th of April.  He 
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was then released through an interdict on the 18th of December.   
 During this whole time of his arrest, I have been getting certain reports about he is now in hospital.  Since I have been married to him he has never been to hospital, he was never a sickly person. He has been perfectly healthy all this time. This is why I was so worried now. I was even asking the securities why is my husband now in hospital.  Then I was told that he was suffering from depression, he was dehydrated, things like that.  
 Then my husband got out through an interdict on the 18th of December. Things were starting to be very bad at this time.  There were many stories about what is going on. Now the reasons of my husband's arrest, I have mentioned them here in this document. One of them was, is because he was meeting with KD Mananzima, because they wanted to have democracy again, away from the military.  
 The disgrace of being charged by Gen Holomisa and that disgrace was started by my husband.  It looks like that was another reason. Again, it was said that it was my husband who caused that there must be an investigation of theft and corruption by the Minister of Agriculture at the time. So this is why now my husband was also arrested.  I am not sure how true that was, but he was such a quiet man.  
 When my husband was released on the 18th of December, I received news that he got out against Gen Holomisa's will, such that Gen Holomisa was very angry about this.  I also received information about the fact that my husband's life was not safe any more. I went to fetch him from Lusikisiki.  He went to Aliwal-North, that is how we parted.  That is how he got out of Transkei. He was running away for his life 
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from the Transkei, because his life was in danger.  During that whole time he was still a soldier.

MEMBER OF PANEL: Was the letter of suspension now being withdrawn?

NONTOBEKO DULI: When he was suspended, he was not suspended as a soldier, he was suspended as a Minister, he was still going to remain a soldier.

MEMBER OF PANEL: So did he then go to Aliwal-North?