Special Hearings — Mandela United Football Club Hearings — UNKNOWN

MR JORDI: Thereafter you visited other people in custody and they mentioned things to you that they knew regarding Temba, can you tell me about that?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.  Before Temba could come to my home for the first time as a comrade and as an activist, I was supposed to visit other comrades who were in detention by then and the fortunate part it was that one of the comrades was MK cadre and he was awaiting trial by then.
 When I paid the visit to him he told me that he knew a certain person called Johannes Mabotha and I asked him how did he come to know this person, he told me that Temba was removed from the Potgieterus cells and he was taken to Pietersburg Police cells wherein he found this comrade in the next cell.  
 This comrade by then was just under Section 29 and then Temba told them that he knew me, he met me at Potgietersrust and also he wanted to know my activities from those comrades and that is how it happened.

MR JORDI: What did you start to feel about Temba at this time.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: I was frightened because I knew Temba told me that while we were in Potgietersrust that he will visit me at home when he gets released.

MR JORDI: Did you have a sense that he was reliable, somebody to be trusted or did you feel otherwise about him?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: At first when he started communicating with me in Pogietersrust he told me about a certain cadre who was residing in Mankweng called Lucky Sikosana,  I knew Lucky, he was a comrade and we regarded him as a comrade.  But then, after my release when I was under restrictions at home, I was surprised to find Lucky at home and I enquired from my fellow comrades who were not detained, about this question of Lucky being around here.
 They told me horrible things about Lucky and I started to suspect that since Temba knows about Lucky and now Lucky is working for the police, then it means that these two people have connections and that confirmed what my comrades in prison told me.

MR JORDI: So you understood that Lucky was working for the police, Temba had contacts with Lucky and therefore Temba was somebody who you should be suspicious about?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: In January 1989 you were visited at home, is that right?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: Can you tell me who visited you and in what circumstances?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Early 1989 - that was January, Temba came to my home but I was not around as I went to the pre-school to fetch the smaller kids and I was with my sister.  When we approached my home we saw two men wearing black suits and they were all wearing black spectacles, we wondered what were the men doing at our home because there was nobody there at that time and it was during the day.
 We arrived at home and I realised that this is Temba but he was with a stranger, we greeted them and we welcomed them and then Temba introduced this stranger to me as Jerry Richardson and Temba told me that they are from Soweto, they are from Mrs Mandela's house.  
 But because Temba knew that I was so suspicious - every time I was too suspicious about his information, I just told myself that Temba is trying to win my confidence so I need not believe too much on that.

MR JORDI: Did you find it plausible that he knew somebody at Winnie Mandela's house or that he could associate with people from the Mandela household?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: I just didn't trust his information.

MR JORDI: So what did you do to establish whether his information was correct or not?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: What I did, I asked Jerry if they really came from Winnie Mandela's house and Jerry confirmed the dates.

MR JORDI: What else did he tell you that proved to be confirmatory for you as far as his allegation that he came from the Mandela household was concerned?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Jerry just confirmed that they came from Winnie Mandela's house but then Temba told me another story.  Jerry went outside - he was not around the yard because it was very hot inside the house, I stayed with Temba and Temba told me that
"You know Euvodia, in Mrs Mandela's house I am a trusted person"
And I said: 
"How did they come to trust you"?
He said: 
"You cannot even believe it, you know I know that Mrs Mandela has got white hair"
I said:
"Temba, how do you come to know that"?
He said:  "No, Mrs Mandela allowed here here" 
He point it out and then he also told me: 
"You know, there's nobody who's allowed to use her bathroom except myself"
 So this thing made me to be very much suspicious that there might be a relationship between these two people but then I also had some reservations about Temba's information since I got the information that he is a very dangerous person and he is also an Askari.

MR JORDI: Later in 1989 you were again visited at home by Temba, is that right?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: Can you describe to me what the circumstances were surrounding that visit?  Who came to your house with Temba and what did you do as a result of that visit?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: It was during the night, I was with my family and my mother was not there, there was a knock on the door and I asked: "Who is that"? Temba replied it's him so I opened the door.  He greeted me and told me that he's not going stay for a long time because he has come with some people and I have to accommodate those people.
 When he opened the door I saw Xoliswa, Katiza Cebekhulu and there was this guy called Bosmonts.

MR JORDI: So Xoliswa - when you refer to Xoliswa, who are you referring to?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: It's Xoliswa Falati.

MR JORDI: Thank you.  So these people arrived at your house and what did they do after their arrival?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Because it was during the night I slept with Xoliswa in the same bedroom and I made sure that Bosmonts and Katiza sleep there.

MR JORDI: Did you speak to them and establish why they had come unannounced at your home?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: It was after Temba didn't fulfil his appointment that I established their mission.

MR JORDI: When you say Temba didn't fulfil his appointment, can you just explain what you mean please?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: When Temba asked me that night to accommodate these three people, he said to me that he's going to come and collect them the following morning.  Okay, I accommodated those people but then Temba didn't come back that very day.

MR JORDI: And what did you start to feel after he had not arrived - and I understand you heard rumours circulating in the community?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: At first I reserved my opinion about that because I couldn't just divulge the whole information before I could get the information from Xoliswa as to who are they, where are they from, what's their mission around here.
 So, what happened here, ...[indistinct] the disappearance of Temba, Xoliswa started to introduce herself to me and she told me that they come from Mrs Mandela's house in Soweto and that they were on their way to Lusaka.  She explained to me about Stompie's case and then she told me that they are going to Lusaka to tell the truth to Oliver Tambo.

MR JORDI: I understand that you then discussed Temba with Miss Falati, is that correct?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: I took my restriction actually before that.  What happened here is that Temba came again - after the disappearance and not fulfilling the promise that he promised me, he came again and he took Bosmont and then he disappeared.
 Then after all this - after Xoliswa had actually explained the whole thing, I started to doubt the information that came from my comrades in prison and the information that I got now during that time when Temba and Richardson came to my home as well as the information I got from Xoliswa at that time.

MR JORDI: You started to doubt the information, what did you do about your doubts?