Human Rights Violation Hearings — Duduza — 1997-02-04

MS ZULU: He said he was, he died from a headache, but I do not believe that he died from a headache, I believe that he was killed, because the people who stayed in that area use, they went and investigated the matter and we discovered that they were quite a group and probably they knew that if they wanted him, they would get him at a certain place just like Mr Mluli.  Mr Mluli was found at Mount Clere Station and it was alleged that he had committed suicide and all these people were friends, they were one circle.  That is why I believe that he was killed.  I am the one who says that he was killed, there was absolutely no headache that killed him.

MR LEWIN: Then you could you tell us a little bit more about the death certificate that you got in 1968?  Did that have any details?

MS ZULU: According to the statement, I think he died of a headache, but then, way back then, I think I was very young.  Maybe if I could look at it right now I would have more light.

MR LEWIN: Do you still have the death certificate?

MS ZULU: Yes, I do have it, it is in Durban at home.

MR LEWIN: Yes, that would help us if you could let us see it as well or a copy of it so that we can see, you know, what is stated there because that would give us the beginnings of somewhere to look.

MS ZULU: Okay.

MR LEWIN: Was it issued in Ruanda?

MS ZULU: It is written Ruanda.

MR LEWIN: Okay, could I ask a final question.  Have you checked, at all, with, with the ANC because they have, they have a long list of people who died outside the country?  I am not sure if it goes back to 1967.

MS ZULU: No, I have never gone there because the Commission came when I was here in Johannesburg, so I decided to appear before you, but all the details and everything, every documentary proof is in Durban.  I was never able to go to the Truth Commission whilst it was in Durban.

MR LEWIN: Okay, but you know we have an office Durban so you could actually, yes.

MS ZULU: Yes, I do know.

MR LEWIN: We will be in touch with you there.  Thank you Khanyisile.

THOMAS MANTHATA: Russell.

RUSSELL ALLY: Just to, to stress that it is, that it is very important that you give us all the documentation which you have or, or copies and to say that our Investigative Unit has actually written off to ask from the ANC if they have any knowledge of, of this case.  We have not received any, any reply yet, but if we do and as soon as we do, we will, obviously, contact the family, but maybe you can assist us also, this name that you mentioned, the person who came and, and told the family about the death of your father, Mr Enjapa.

MS ZULU: I know his surname, his surname is Enjapa.

RUSSELL ALLY: Enjaba.

MS ZULU: Enjapa.

RUSSELL ALLY: Do you know, Enjaba, do you know anything about him, whether he is still living.

MS ZULU: I do not know anything about him.

RUSSELL ALLY: Where he was, where he was from, absolutely nothing?

MS ZULU: I know absolutely nothing with regard to Mr Enjapa, but I think if I can contact my brother, my brother can tell me more about Mr Enjapa.

RUSSELL ALLY: That, that would be very useful and that was the first time that you ever saw Mr Enjapa and the last time?

MS ZULU: Yes, it was the first time I saw him because I was at boarding school and I use to go home on holidays only.

RUSSELL ALLY: Now, I, I appreciate you were saying that you were very young at the time so you, you do not remember much, but do you know if before this, before the disappearance of your father, do you know if there had been, if the police, the Security Police or any other branch of the police had shown any interest in your father?  Was there, were there signs of, of your family having to be careful about what they did, what they said, did you find anything unusual or strange about what was going on in, in the household?

MS ZULU: I would not be able to say yes or no, but they use to come at my neighbours place, to my neighbours place and that is where they use to frequent and they use to even frequent Mr Mluli's house.

RUSSELL ALLY: Sorry, who is the "you" you speak about?  You said, who were ...

MS ZULU: That is my father's friend, my father's best friend, Joseph Mluli.  He is the one who was politically active and we knew that the police use to go to his place.  Whether my father was active or as a friend, what he did we
do not know.  Maybe he was involved, but he never told us as children or as a family.

RUSSELL ALLY: Now, you mentioned a brother.  Is this brother older or younger than you?

MS ZULU: He is my elder brother.

RUSSELL ALLY: Your?

MS ZULU: Is the first born.  My elder brother.

RUSSELL ALLY: Your elder.  So do you think he would have a, a better and would remember more?

MS ZULU: I believe so, I think he knows something that I do not.

RUSSELL ALLY: So, so, please, if you could with either Joe, the briefer, or, or with one of our statement takers or any other member of the, of the Commission, if you could please give us the details as to how we can contact your brother as well who may be able to assist us.

MS ZULU: He is in Durban at the moment, but if the TRC goes to Durban I think he can be able to attend those hearings and impart this information.

RUSSELL ALLY: But you see if you give us the information we can then pass this on to the Durban office and ask them to, to follow this up.

MS ZULU: Okay.

RUSSELL ALLY: So, so, please, whatever information will, will assist us in trying to find out what happened.

MS ZULU: Alright.

RUSSELL ALLY: Thank you very much for coming.

MS ZULU: Okay.

THOMAS MANTHATA: Ms Zulu, we are grateful for your witness and as it has been pointed out, could you please let us get the address of your brother so that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission can do its best.  We quite appreciate that these things happened long ago and you were still young at that time and, of course, even the political setup of the day was not that clear.  We wonder, too, whether you could present us even the, what do you know about the address of Mr Mluli or his family, his children and so on.  This would enable us to make, you know, reasonable research.  We thank you and your family for having shared with us, thank you.