Amnesty Hearings — Durban — 1998-03-26

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.  To the families of the people I killed, I ask them to forgive me.  I did not intend doing this.  It happened when violence was still very rife in Eshowe area.  I was also used to commit these murders because those people who were sending me to do this provided me with everything like firearms, etc.  I was doing this for the location of Gezinsila.  Today, My Nyawuza is happily living in the area now.  Many families lost their breadwinners because those breadwinners did not see eye to eye with Mr Nyawuza.  I ask those people to forgive me, not because I want to be freed from gaol.  It is not for me to say what they should do, but just to say that I am guilty.  I am really sorry.

MR ALBERTS: Yes?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: That is all.

MR ALBERTS: The matter for which you are apparently serving a sentence is not one of the matters you did apply for amnesty for, you know that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes, I did ask for amnesty for these two cases I am serving sentences for.

MR ALBERTS: You however realise that those matters fall after the cut-off date of amnesty and that you are not going to get amnesty on those.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I applied before closing date.

MR ALBERTS: Just one last aspect, what made you become what you call a facilitator, what made you go to this Dludlani and say to him: "Let me help you"?  What prompted you to do that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: The reason why I realised that I was being used, is because the promises made to me were now not being fulfilled.

MR ALBERTS: Thank you Mr Chairman nothing from my side.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR ALBERTS

CHAIRPERSON: Who made these promises to you?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Mr Dlulane.

CHAIRPERSON: What were these promises?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: He promised me that I would be employed as a member of the KwaZulu police because people who were doing as I was doing were the ones that were sought.

CHAIRPERSON: What sort of work have you been doing?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I never worked.

CHAIRPERSON: And Mr Nyawuza what work does he do?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Mr Nyawuza is working, he is a driver of uMntwana Gideon.

CHAIRPERSON: Oh yes sorry, yes.

MR ALBERTS: Nothing further from my side.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Brink any questions?

MR BRINK: Thank you Mr Chairman. I just want to deal firstly with the murder of Mr Ntuli's son.  Did you in your evidence say that that took place in 1995?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes, I remember it happened in 1995, I had just been released from prison.

MR BRINK: When were you released from prison?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I was released on 2 July 1994, it was a Tuesday.

MR BRINK: So the murder of Ntuli's son took place after that date in July 1994, is that what you are saying?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: It was long after I was released from prison.

MR BRINK: But certainly after July 1994?

CHAIRPERSON: Yes he said that.

MR BRINK: Ja.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.

MR BRINK: Now I want to deal with Mr Zikhali.  In your evidence I think you said that you saw Mr Zikhali waiting at the bus stop or the rank waiting for transport, you approached him, he was shot and you then left but that the shooting was done by Vusi Myeza?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes, that is true.

MR BRINK: Now when you made your affidavit, that is the supplementary affidavit to your application on the prescribed form - I refer to page 24 Mr Chairman, this is what you said regarding Mr Zikhali
"Concerning the killing of Mr Zikhali who is an ANC member, the instruction came from Mr Dlulane also known as Nyawusa to go and kill Zikhali in Gensinsile location where he had visited his girlfriend at a cottage"
Do you remember saying that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.

MR BRINK: You went on
"I and Mr Dludlani who was the driver to Gideon Zulu conveyed Sbu Zuma and Vusi Myeza to near the Bonamuva School where Fana Ntuli's cottages are situated."
Do you remember saying that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.

MR BRINK: What you said was
"I and Mr Dludlani who was the driver to Gideon Zulu conveyed Sbu Zuma and Vusi Myeza to near the Bonamuva School where Fana Ntuli's cottages are situated."

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Will you repeat what you said about Fana Ntuli?

CHAIRPERSON: Very well.

MR BRINK: You then went on
"Vusi Myeza was armed with a .38 special revolver and Sbu Zuma had a 9mm pistol."
Did you say that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes, that is what I said to the detectives, but I did not put it that way here.

MR BRINK: I am talking about the affidavit which is put up in support of your application for amnesty.

CHAIRPERSON: Let him have a look at it if he has a doubt Mr Brink, please?

MR BRINK: Sorry I thought he had one.

CHAIRPERSON: No his handwriting, is that in his handwriting?

MR BRINK: I very much doubt it because he puts his thumb print to the affidavit.  So ...(indistinct) is illiterate.

CHAIRPERSON: Ask him if he can read.

MR BRINK: Are you able to read English?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I will be able to read it if it is written in Zulu.

MR BRINK: Alright well let me take it slowly. I will read to you what is here and it will be interpreted into Zulu.

CHAIRPERSON: You don't have to read what you have already read.

MR BRINK: No.
"After thirty minutes we fetched them at the scrap yard near Nkanyezi Magistrate's Court as arranged."

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.
MR BRINK
"Before we could fetch them they telephoned to say that they had killed him.  Sbu Zuma killed him."
What do you say to that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: No, I did not put it that way.

MR BRINK: Was this document read back to you or not? I will leave it Mr Chair.
	Now I am going to deal briefly with Mr Ngoso Dludla.  I think you said in your evidence that after he was killed there was some attempt at mutilation of his body.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes.

MR BRINK: Well you see the postmortem report seems to indicate - I am referring to page 41 Mr Chair and members of the Committee., indicates that in regard to the body of Bonginkosi Khanyile who you in your application on more than one occasion referred to as being the same person as Ngoso Dludla, it was the body of Mr Khanyile which appeared to be mutilated, that half his face was moved as a result of having been cut away by a sharp blade and something was pushed, I can't read, something was pushed through the left eye.  Now what do you say to that?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: That is a mistake.

MR BRINK: But this relates to the body of Mr Khanyile, is that not the same person as Mr Ngoso Dludla?

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: I will agree with how you put it, but I know him as Ngoso Dludla.

MR BRINK: Alright so we can accept that Mr Ngoso Dludla is the same person as Mr Khanyile.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: That is possible, I cannot dispute it.

MR BRINK: Mr Chairman I am now referring to page 25 of the affidavit.

MR MALAN: Mr Brink, just before you proceed, is it not possible that there is a mistaken identity of the individual that was killed at the occasion where the beer bottles were thrown at the bus?

MR BRINK: Yes, one can't exclude that possibility.
	But in any event you say that you were present when Mr Ngoso Dludla - please leave your microphone until I finish the question, when I finish the question and it has been interpreted to you then you can put your microphone on because every time you press your button it cuts me off. Going back to Mr Dludla. You say you were present when he was killed.

THULANI MZOKHONA MYEZA: Yes, I was present when Ngoso Dludla was killed.

MR BRINK: You see again in your affidavit, that is the affidavit in support of your application for amnesty, you indicated that
"I left on a Thursday afternoon for Newcastle before our plot, the plot to kill Mr Dludla was carried out.  On my return on Sunday I was informed by those who were present that Ngoso Dludla was shot dead by Togozani Ntuli, Thandazani Linda and Pazman."

CHAIRPERSON: Where are you reading from?