Amnesty Hearings — Klerksdorp — 1999-05-10

MR RUDOLPH: Thank you so much.  I unfortunately don't have a copy of that either.
	 Your Honour, the other reason that motivates me to ask for this, is that right at the beginning I said that I really don't trust even this Commission.  I cannot understand, Your Honour, I applied for three matters for amnesty.  This one, a case in which a reporter was attacked because of something that was said about Mr Clive Derby-Lewis and a weapon used to shoot Mr Hani with and then also an attack on a bus in Natal, for which I take the full responsibility as the commander or the fact that I gave the commands that that should be done.
	Mr Terre'blanche has been called here, Your Honour, and I understood from him this morning, that he is not only appearing in front of you because of the Ventersdorp case but also for two further matters that took place years ago.  There is no reason why my appeal cannot be finished together with his and I cannot find sufficient reason as to why I only have to appear because of the Ventersdorp case here.
   I would also like to, when Mr Terre'blanche's case is finished, because only then he will really be called as a witness in my case so that I again then can appear in front of you and if you then help me, Your Honour to bring Mr de Klerk here, I would also like to ask you to assist me to get Mr Terre'blanche here.  I would like to ask for postponement of my case so that Mr de Klerk can be called and I think at that stage, Mr Terre'blanche may be freer in order to aide me in my case.
	Your Honour, I would also like to say, because it might be important that it be said now, and that is that I have no problems with what happened the night and the evening at Ventersdorp.  I really am sorry that people were killed and that they were injured  in my - also in front of the court I said that of those people convicted at this stage I was the eldest and of those people who were injured and who died because of that, also could be some of my children.
	But I would also like to add, Your Honour, that I stick to the AWB and its leader and I stand by them and he knows that with regard to the truth in this matter, he can trust me.  I am at his side.  I would like, Your Honour, that you listen to me so patiently.  Unfortunately, I also, in political terms, am longwinded as they say in English perhaps, and I hope I haven't bored me.  Thank you so much.

CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, Mr Rudolph, those other incidents you applied in respect of - I just want this for information, you say one was for an attack on a reporter and another on a bus in Natal.  Did you fill in separate applications forms?  Did you fill in three separate application forms, because I see that this one is only public violence as regards Ventersdorp.

MR RUDOLPH: That is correct, Your Honour.

CHAIRPERSON: And, you say that the attack on the bus was in Natal and the other attack on the reporter, where about did that take place, the incident itself?  Was that, which part of the country?

MR RUDOLPH: The first one, Your Honour, took place in 1991 in Natal while, in terms of Section 29, I was in detention, I was not directly involved in that, so in my humble submission, we cannot really refer to gross violations.  It was simply a matter that two people received amnesty while the first one, there indicates that the third one there is litigation in the Supreme Court with regard to the reporter.  That happened in Pretoria.  I was found guilty there.  I applied for amnesty in order to clear my record, Your Honour.
	There were also not gross violations of human rights.  If you would say, as far as I am concerned, that is not a gross violation of human rights.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Terre'blanche do you have anything to add?