Amnesty Hearings — Richards Bay — 1998-04-14

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Let me just explain what the alibi is.    An alibi is a speech or a talk that you prepare in case you are confronted, that you would use.
	But your alibi should be believable, whoever questions you about it, should believe that you are telling the truth, whereas it is not so.
	We were taught about alibi's for the reason that we were told that we could be arrested.  That was not hidden from us, therefore these alibi's were taught for the reason that if we attack the ANC and we happen to be arrested, there should be some things that we should put forward so that we divert information about the truth.
	These alibi's were carried out mainly personally, because at the end we were divided, receiving different kinds of training.  In my group we did a lot of alibi's.  The purpose for this was to enable us to have proper responses to the Police if they arrest us for our activities, that we would have committed to the ANC.

MR WILLS: Thank you Mr Mkhize.  Just very briefly, you indicate in your affidavit that at certain times, certain officials would visit you at this camp, those included Mr M.Z. Khumalo and also Brigadier Marte, is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Brigadier Marte only came once.  The person who came on a monthly basis, was M.Z. Khumalo.  At that time he was the Personal Assistant to the President of Inkatha.

MR WILLS: And he brought you greetings from a particular person, not so, when he arrived on a monthly basis?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.  I have explained this in my statements.

MR WILLS: And who was the person he brought greetings from?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: It was the M.G. Buthelezi.

MR WILLS: The President of the IFP?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: Yes, Mr Chairperson, I am about to move on to another area.  I got a note indicating that the time limit for this afternoon's proceedings was 4:30, I see it is approaching that time.  Would this be a convenient point to adjourn?

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I have been told that we should adjourn at 4:30 because of certain logistical problems, getting the applicants back to where they must stay tonight.
	I see it is just before half past four, so perhaps this would be a convenient time.  I once again apologise to all the people present, who sat so patiently this afternoon for the late start in the matter that has only enabled us to have just over an hour's hearing, or an hour and a quarter's hearing.
	Hopefully tomorrow we will have a full day.  If we adjourn to start at half past nine tomorrow morning, would that be convenient?

MR WILLS: Yes, Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, we will then at this stage adjourn, and we will start again where we left off today, at half past nine tomorrow morning, that is the 15th of April 1998.  Thank you.
COMMISSION ADJOURNS 
ON RESUMPTION ON 15-04-1998  -    DAY  5

CHAIRPERSON: Good morning everybody.  At the close of proceedings yesterday, Mr Mkhize was giving his evidence in chief and we will now continue with that.  Mr Wills?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: (still under oath)

MR WILLS: (continued)
	Thank you Mr Chairperson.  Mr Mkhize, yesterday at the close of proceedings were busy finalising the aspects of your training in the Caprivi.

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes.

MR WILLS: Just to complete that issue, you were also trained in the usage of certain explosives, is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: And those explosives are detailed in paragraph 11, on page 78 of the record?  Is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: Now, you then returned to Ulundi, or to South Africa and then to Ulundi in a similar way to which you arrived, in that you flew back in a similar aircraft and then you drove to Ulundi.
	You were then given a few weeks' break and then you had a welcome back party, is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: At this party, the Chief Minister, Mr Buthelezi congratulated you for completing the training, is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: You were also then given an extra payment for undergoing the training and you recall that to be an amount of R2 000-00 is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: That was at the end of September 1986, after you had completed the six months' training, when you arrived in Ulundi?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: And then after your deployment, sorry after your return to Ulundi, you were deployed in the role of a person who was trained in contra-mobilisation in the lower South Coast, from that period until you were recalled to Ulundi in January 1988, is that correct?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Yes, that is so.

MR WILLS: Can you just briefly explain to the Committee and members of the public, what your role was in the lower South Coast region?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: I was posted with other three men at the South Coast, it was Mr Shinga  and Mr Khumalo and Mr Shuzi.  Our duty was to work at the Regional Office in uMzumbe, the IFP office in uMzumbe.
	We did office work and also field work, mobilising people, mobilising them to join the IFP.  Secondly we would visit schools, making children aware against the UDF, because they were infiltrating schools and encouraging children to burn down schools.
	We did this, that is mobilising the children at school, because we were against the UDF policy of burning down schools because we were for learning and education so that we could be liberated.
	The UDF at the time used the slogan Education Later, Freedom First.  We were against this.  We visited schools to warn children against this practice.
	We also sold IFP attire like the uniform T-shirts and also were engaged in recruiting people to the IFP.

MR WILLS: You were called back to Ulundi by a certain Phillip Nqomalo in January 1988 and you then eventually ended up being trained by the South African Police in Koeberg.  You have indicated in paragraph 17, page 81 of the record, that there was a little bit of a problem with this issue about being trained by the South African Police at that stage, can you just elaborate on that for the Committee?

BRIAN QUNA MKHIZE: Can you please repeat the question?

MR WILLS: Yes, you had a problem with the issue of you being trained as a South African Police Constable and so, I am instructed, can you elaborate on that to the Committee, and how that problem was resolved?