Amnesty Hearings — Vereeniging — 1999-01-18

CHAIRPERSON: But as far as my recollection goes, it is that this date was arranged with the legal representatives, yes.
	It is unfortunate that this Committee has been unable to conduct the proceedings today because most of the applicants have not turned up.
	It seems to me that what should happen, in so far as the applicants who are in prison, are concerned, this Committee would require an explanation as to why these applicants namely Magubane, Mkwanazi, Mazibuko and Mbele, were not brought to the venue timeously if the prison officials did receive notice that these applicants were required to be at this venue today for their application, because it seems to us that if there was someone who did not perform his or her duties, with the result that these applicants were not brought to the venue, that is intolerable.
	In so far as the applicants who are not in prison, namely Moses Mthembu, Sipho Buthelezi, Petrus Mdiniso, Mxoliseni Sibongileni Mkhize, Richard Dlamini and Paulos Mbatha, in so far as these applicants are concerned, before we commence tomorrow, we would require firstly to know whether were they aware that these hearings were supposed to resume today and if so, why they were not here today.
	I understand you know, the difficulties that Counsel is facing in regard to these matters, but unfortunately we can no longer sit today, we will have to adjourn until tomorrow morning.
	In order to make up for the lost time, tomorrow we will commence at half past eight in the morning because we have the benefit of the sunlight these days, we will sit until half past five, and that is how we will continue until we have made up for the lost time.

ADV PRIOR: Thank you Mr Chairman, Mr Chairman, the matter of Mr Nosenga, at the last hearing we discussed whether to enrol him during those proceedings.  He is present and his Attorney is present today, would it be more convenient to enrol him tomorrow?

CHAIRPERSON: Who appears for Mr Nosenga?

MS TANZER: I do, the name is Goldie Tanzer.

CHAIRPERSON: What time did you arrive today?

MS TANZER: Ms Chairman, I was a bit late, I arrived at about ten o'clock.  I have taken instructions from Mr Nosenga.

CHAIRPERSON: I beg your pardon?

MS TANZER: I have taken instructions from Mr Nosenga and we are ready to proceed.

CHAIRPERSON: Is there any reason why you arrived late?

MS TANZER: Unfortunately I come from Johannesburg, and I got lost, it is difficult.  Now I will be able to make my way, but I did lose my way a couple of times, a couple of different places, I do apologise Mr Chairman, for the delay, for my inconvenience, that was caused.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, it is one thing you know, to tolerate lateness from an applicant, but another from a legal representative.  Just make sure that in future you are here in time.
	Is this just a matter of just enroling, is there any issue in regard to this application?

ADV PRIOR: Sorry Mr Chairman, no there is no issue it appears, it is just to enrol him, that he is properly before the Committee that we can then deal with his application.

CHAIRPERSON: In due course?  Mr Berger, is there any objection to that?

MR BERGER: No, no objection Mr Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Do we have his papers?

MR STRYDOM: I was handed an addendum to the Boipatong index, containing the amnesty application of A. Nosenga.

MR BERGER: Chairperson, for the record, we received this addendum last year from Ms Tanya Hoskins from the TRC, so we all have it.  It runs from page 1 to 17.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.  Did we assign to each applicant a number?
	Has Kubeka been enrolled formally?

MR STRYDOM: No Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: He can't possibly be number 17 then?

MR STRYDOM: I think the only reason why a number was allocated, there was made mention of his presence and that he was attending the hearing.

CHAIRPERSON: Very well.  The application for amnesty for Andries Matanzima Nosenga will then be enrolled and it will be number 17.

ADV PRIOR: Thank you Mr Chairman, there is no other matter arising from our side, thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: I take it that we will deal with Kubeka at some point, whilst the necessary documentation has been made available to Mr Berger?

MR STRYDOM: Yes Chairperson, I have given Mr Berger the documentation, but I will give him the other, incomplete form as well, plus the letter I have referred to earlier on.

CHAIRPERSON: That being the case then, the Committee will rise and we will resume tomorrow morning at half past eight.
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