Amnesty Hearings — Pinetown — 2000-02-15

MR DEHAL: Bear with me Mr Chairperson?
	Mr Chairperson and Honourable Members, thank you very much, I'm indebted to you.  That's the end of the cross-examination.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR DEHAL

CHAIRPERSON: Can you remember when you made this statement?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: I think the statement was made on the very same day because after the hospital we went to the police station.

CHAIRPERSON: Did you all go to the police station?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: And you were obviously in a very disturbed state?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.  Further questions?

MR MAPOMA: Just a few Chairperson.
	Ms Luthuli, on page 8 of our bundle we have got a statement which you made to the police.  I just want to verify with you the contents that are contained in paragraph 3.  I would like you to say if this is correct or not correct.  You said in that statement, I want to read:
"As they passed us"
that is, you referred to those who attacked the deceased, you say:
"As they passed us, the deceased turned around.  I then noticed them call the deceased an Inkatha person."
Did you say that?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: We met two first who talked to us and Umgasani was coming from the back.

MR MAPOMA: Okay, you go on to say
"The three black males are ANC members from Umkababa reserve."
Do you confirm that you said that?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Yes, the area where they were residing it was predominantly ANC.

MR MAPOMA: Did you know as a fact that they were members of the ANC or supporters of the ANC or you just assume that they came from the ANC dominated area that they were ANC?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: The Englanzeni area was divided into two.  There was one area which was ANC and the other area was IFP and where they were residing it was predominantly ANC and where we were residing it was predominantly IFP.

MR MAPOMA: Do you know Inganiwaki School?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Yes I do.

MR MAPOMA: In which area is that school?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Matino area.

MR MAPOMA: Is Inganiwaki the same school as Mcotoyi?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: No.

MR MAPOMA: Am I correct to say Inganiwaki is a lower primary school and Mcotoyi is high school?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Inganiwaki it's where I was schooling and Mcotoyi that's where Mfanafuti was schooling.

MR MAPOMA: I just want you to clarify this, you have said that the deceased was residing at Clermont and only came at Inglanzeni for a moment?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Yes he usually went to Clermont to work during school holidays.

MR MAPOMA: Now this Mcotoyi school, is it in the ANC area?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: I don't know whether it's ANC or IFP.

MR MAPOMA: In what area is Mcotoyi?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: It is at Naglino and Mnganwaki too.

MR MAPOMA: I thought you had just said that Naglino area was ANC dominated area?  Did you not say that?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: There are three schools in Umkababa.  There's Damgane, Inglanza and Naglino.  The place was divided into two.  Inglanza became IFP.  Damgane became ANC.  Even though in fact we didn't have full information about Naglino but Damgane, we were certain it was IFP.

MR MAPOMA: Is it not correct that during 1991 the deceased was no longer attending school because that was an ANC area and he was driven away from that area by the ANC people at that area where Mcotoyi is?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: Who drove him away?  I dispute that.

MR MAPOMA: Is it your evidence that the deceased, during 1991, was attending school freely at Mcotoyi?

ALZINA MKAZA LUTHULI: No one scared him away from school.  He would have told me if anyone scared him away from school.  I never heard of that.

MR MAPOMA: Thank you Chairperson, I have no further questions.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MR MAPOMA

CHAIRPERSON: Re-examination?

MR PANDAY: None Mr Chairperson.
NO RE-EXAMINATION BY MR PANDAY

CHAIRPERSON: None?   Thank you for having come here today to assist us.  We'll now take a short adjournment which I neglected to take yesterday.
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COMMITTEE ADJOURNS
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CHAIRPERSON: That's the victim's case, is it?

MR PANDAY: That is correct Mr Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: And are we leading any other evidence?

MR MAPOMA: There is no any other evidence Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Right, so we're ready to hear argument.