Amnesty Hearings — Durban — UNKNOWN

CHAIRPERSON: Good morning everybody.  We're proceeding with the evidence of Mr Mkhize who is still giving evidence in chief.  Mr Wills, are you ready to start?

MR WILLS: I am, yes thank you Mr Chairperson.
MR MKHIZE (suo)

MR WILLS: (cont)
	Mr Mkhize, you will recall that yesterday we were dealing with incidents that you were involved with on the instruction of Chief Mathaba.  We had dealt with the murder of the Cosatu bus driver and now I want to turn to the incident which is on pg 119 of the record and para 89 of your affidavit and that concerns the murder of an ANC nduna.  Can you tell the Committee and members of the public present what you know about this incident?

DJ MKHIZE: As I have explained in previous incidents, I got instructions from Chief Mathaba who was a member of the IFP Central Committee, and at that time was a member of the Kwazulu Legislator.  He gave me an instruction that there was an nduna amongst many of his ndunas whom he required that I and my group kill urgently.  He informed me that this nduna is very problematic to the IFP.  Because firstly he is mobilising a campaign against the carrying of traditional weapons.
	I think the Commission knows that traditional weapons were associated with the IFP, because the IFP is mainly built on Zulu cultures.  Therefore a person who was against people who are members of the public, particularly Zulus, for them to practice their culture, carrying of traditional weapons, that person was assumed to be against the Zulu culture and also against the IFP as an organisation that was mainly practising this culture.
	He said this nduna was so problematic that he was mobilising people not to attend meetings that were organised by him.  Such meetings that he would call as the Inkozi of the area or meetings that he would call as a central committee member of the IFP.  This nduna was encouraging people not to attend these meetings organised by Chief Mathaba.
	He also mentioned that this nduna is a certain leader within the ANC, but not in his own area.  I was confused as to if he resides in the chief's area and is not a leader in that area, who is leader?  In which area is he a leader from?  But I couldn't ask such questions at that time because you have to respect Inkozi and not ask too many questions.  This is in line with the way that we are brought up.  So I did not ask that kind of questions.  But he pointed out that this nduna should be killed immediately.

MR WILLS: Yes.  If I could just interrupt Mr Mkhize, you've indicated in your affidavit that certain persons were with you and those are Mr Zwele Dlamini, who I think is the third applicant in these proceedings.  Then Mr Israil Fangwane and Jerry Ndanda.  But you've subsequently discovered that you've made a mistake with regard to one of those persons.  Can you explain that to the committee please and correct this mistake?

DJ MKHIZE: Yes.  I discovered that I made a mistake.  When I mentioned the numbers that I was with, I also counted Zwele Dlamini in.  I apologize for this.  Maybe it's because I was involved in a lot of incidents with these people.  And because this was a long time ago, I cannot quite recall the people who were specifically there in a certain operation.  But I think this is just one of the very few mistakes that I've made.  Zwele Dlamini was not present in this operation, but the person who was there was his brother, Zwele who was stationed at the Esikhawini police station.  Not Zwele Dlamini.

MR WILLS: Thank you.  Can you tell us how this murder was carried out?

DJ MKHIZE: We used a VW Golf from Esikhawini which was driven by Jerry Ndanda.  He is now deceased.  Jerry Ndanda had previously been an ANC member who had been trained in the MK and he subsequently defected to the IFP.  There are many operations that he carried out.  But then he concentrated on this one.
	I was with Jerry and Israil and Zwele Dlamini's brother and myself.  And we went to Chief Mathaba's house at noon.

CHAIRPERSON: Sorry Mr Mkhize.  What is Zwele Dlamini's brother's name?  Do you know?

DJ MKHIZE: Chairperson, I have forgotten his name.  But he is his brother.

CHAIRPERSON: Ja.