Amnesty Hearings — Johannesburg — 1998-05-11

CHAIRPERSON: ...[inaudible] on my left, will counsel appearing for the interested parties please place yourselves on record.

GEORGE BIZOS: Members of the Committee together with my learned friend, Mr Karel Tipp SC, Danny Berger and Gomotso Moraka, I, my name is G Bizos, appear on behalf of all the applicants except Mr Neo Potsane who is listed as applicant no 9.

MR CURRIN: Mr Chairman, I have been side-lined here on your left, I feel more like an applicant sitting here.  Brian Currin, from Bell Dewar & Hall with Kabelo Negane, we together are representing the ninth applicant, Neo Potsane.

UNKNOWN: Sir, my name is A van Wyk.  My firm is acting for four objectors, first one is Phuthile Zondi, Gezephi Dlamini, Dazeli Nqanjana and Eric Majozi.

MR PRETORIUS: May it please the Commission Mr Chairman, my name is B Pretorius.  I appear on behalf seven objectors, the first is Mrs Saraphina Lembede Langa, the second is Mr Alfred Maphanga, the third is Mr Philemon Dlamini, the fourth is Mr Themba Mazibuko, the fifth is Mrs Zani Selina Sokhela, sixth is Mrs Zini Zungu, the last is Bashitshile Mqanti Masikane.  That's all thank you, Mr Chairman.

UNKNOWN: I'm sorry, Mr Chairman, my initials are P A, I'm also Van Wyk.  I'm acting on behalf of seven objectors, their names being Sesi Ntombela, Agnes Ntombela, then it's Christine Chonco: C-H-O-N-C-O, the next one is Jabulani Langa, then Msolwa: M-S-O-L-W-A Madondo, then Muziwandile Msizazwe: M-S-I-Z-A-Z-W-E and the last one is Amos Ngobese: N-G-O-B-E-S-E.  Thank you, Mr Chairman.

MS VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Mr Chairman, my is Helena van der Westhuizen.  I'm acting on behalf of the following objectors, first one is Simon Mbhele, second one Lucas Nyoko, third one Phoyisa: P-H-O-Y-I-S-A, Gasela: G-A-S-E-L-A fourth is Johan Mikayipheli: M-I-K-A-Y-I-P-H-E-L-I Shlatswayo, the fifth one Lucky Mzuza, the sixth one is Nicholas Ntlobe, the seventh one is Gawetha: G-A-W-E-T-H-A Mbatha, the eighth one is Rista: R-I-S-T-A Buthelezi, the ninth one is Obert Sithole and the last one if Frank Nene.

MR DORFLING: May it please the Committee, Mr Chairman, the name is Danie Dorfling.  I'm appearing on behalf of the following nine objectors on instruction of Mosselson & Associates, Mr S Ndwonde, Mr K P Khathi, Mr B Mvelase, Mr M E Mbense, Mr M Ntombela, Mr T K W Mhlongo, Mr M Mpungose, Mr B V Buthelezi and Mr M Ngqulunga: N-G-Q-U-L-U-N-G-A Mr Chair.  Thank you.

MR HUMAN: Thank you, Mr Chairman, my name is Dirk Human.  I appear on behalf the following seven objectors, Mr R P Buthelezi, Mr F M Majozi, Mr F M Myeza: M-Y-E-Z-A, Mr O Mpanga, Mr K Bangani, Ms M Dombi, Mr J Q Biyera.  Thank you, Mr Chairman.

MS PATEL: May it please the Committee, Mr Chairman, I am Ramula Patel, leader of evidence for the Amnesty Committee, thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.  Mr Bizos?

GEORGE BIZOS: Mr Chairman and members of the Committee, you are all aware that a lengthy inquest was held in order to determine what happened in this matter.  Mindful of the length and the extent to which the matter was investigated, and in order to avoid a lengthy and expensive hearing, we took the initiative in filing a document which was served on the objectors, except the last one, I am told because there was some lack of clarity in relation to it, and a document was filed which is before you in a file, paginated by counsel for the Commission.  May I suggest that that file be marked as file A.

CHAIRPERSON: No further ...(indistinct)

GEORGE BIZOS: No, the other one that was before you, which has the first document, applicant's request for further particulars and admissions.

CHAIRPERSON: ...[inaudible]

GEORGE BIZOS: Yes, that is the one.  Could we call that file A, Mr Chairman?

CHAIRPERSON: ...[inaudible]