Amnesty Hearings — Pretoria — 1976-07-19

MR VAN WYK: Perhaps I should refer to the most important chapter in the tenets of the White Men's Bible.  It's an organisation which was found in America, I think in the early 1900's.  To refer to the White Man's Bible this is the basis of the tenets of this particular group and I think the most important part here is their focus, their focus is on survival of the fittest, and that is also their motto, "Survival of the fittest".
	And in the document they relate how the Jewish slave traders rule the entire world as a result of their financial muscle and that they use people as political puppets, and this also means that they want to use the White man as a slave by plunging him into debt.  
	What is quite important here is that they say that no civilisation can be established without the involvement of the White man.  So they regard the White man as the only creator of a civilisation and furthermore they refer to other communities which were established, for instance in India, they would always deny this and so no a White person was always involved in the establishment of this particular society or civilisation.  So their view was that no civilisation could exist without the White man's knowledge and involvement and abilities, and that is where the name, Church of the Creator, comes from.  
	The White person was the only force which can create something.  And therefore a big fear is that there will be miscegenation and that the White race will be diluted by means of inter-marrying with the darker races and their view was that this would lead to the decline of the White race.  
	Hitler and his ideologies were seen as great and good, he is seen as a hero due to his ability to lead a nation in revolt against the Jewish financial power.  All other races are non-White are described and regarded as inferior.  
	So I was confronted with these basic ideologies by Mr du Plessis (Snr).

MR GIMSBEEK: And you say this took place during standard 6?

MR VAN WYK: Yes that is correct.

MR GIMSBEEK: Did matters proceed from there?

MR VAN WYK: Yes, gradually things progressed from there, because at some point I started believing in these ideologies as well and I was of the same views.   And I was led to believe by Mr du Plessis (Snr) that the only way in which one could make a real change was by means of faith, faith was the key to a stable point of view, and it became a tenet of my faith that I had to ensure White survival in South Africa and I had to struggle for that.

MR GIMSBEEK: I would just like to link up with your mention of "faith", it's not the Christian faith that you are referring to?

MR VAN WYK: No it's more natural faith, perhaps based on the principles of Darwin and very importantly is the "Survival of the fittest", that idea.

MR GIMSBEEK: You say you made some progress, what happened further during your school career?

MR VAN WYK: Well at that stage most of my contact was with Mr du Plessis (Snr) and we had deep ideological conversations.  After I left school I came to Pretoria and it is here where I became more deeply involved with the ultra-rightwing organisations.
	Although I held views shared by many of the rightwing organisations and I had contact with these I preferred to limit my contact with them because I saw myself as more of an ultra-rightwing person.  For instance I attended some of the Church of the Creator meetings but I never joined them, I never became a member, I just attended some of their meetings.  I also attended some of the Boerestaat Party rallies and meetings.  
	I think what is important to mention here is that I came into contact with sources of indoctrination, sources other than Mr du Plessis (Snr) and thereby became more and more impressed by the Church of the Creator's indoctrination methods. 
	I can perhaps mention some of the most important books used by the Church of the Creator in their indoctrination process.  These things also had a very important influence on my life.  I have already mentioned The White Man's Bible.  I can also mention the Turner Diaries, that is very well known among the rightwing groupings, they will know what I am talking about.  The Turner Diaries, it's like the Book of Revelation in the Bible.  It has the same emotional value for the rightwing grouping.  It described the Armageddon which is still to come and describes how the ultra rightwing element in the United States is subservient to their own White people led by the Jewish powers and how they actually live under a tyranny, and how by means of a clever and cunning organisation eventually started to resist and then how they win the battle at the end of the day.  That was a very well known book.
	Another one which was well known and which had a great influence on me is the Anarchists Cookbook.  That describes for the man in the street how to become a terrorist and teaches them how to become a reactionary. And it also describes how, without help of any sophisticated weaponry, how to defend yourself, how to manufacture bombs and how to act in a reactionary fashion.  
	I think it was also part of our views at some stage that we wanted the Afrikaner to obtain that kind of knowledge because we feared an absolute bloodbath upon the ANC takeover and we wanted our people to be able to protect themselves.

MR GIMSBEEK: Yes I just want to interrupt you there, we will still come to the objectives of the organisation.  I would just like to go back to your school career.

MR VAN WYK: That's correct.

MR GIMSBEEK: What was your average matric symbol?

MR VAN WYK: I gained a distinction.

MR GIMSBEEK: You also acquired a bursary to study engineering at the University of Pretoria?

MR VAN WYK: Yes, that's right.

MR GIMSBEEK: You accepted the bursary and you went to the University where you enroled for engineering?

MR VAN WYK: Yes that's right.

MR GIMSBEEK: How did you do there?

MR VAN WYK: When I completed my first semester and then I left university.

MR GIMSBEEK: What was the reason for that?

MR VAN WYK: At that stage I felt that engineering wasn't the right direction for me and I also felt that I wanted to become more actively involved in the struggle, and to become more actively involved.  And at that stage I couldn't both study and do that.

MR GIMSBEEK: At that stage were you still friends with Mr du Plessis?

MR VAN WYK: That's right, I was.

MR GIMSBEEK: Did you establish an organisation at that stage?

MR VAN WYK: Yes.  In December 1990 we tried to establish an organisation.  We convened a meeting with, among others, Mr Dries Alberts, it was I, du Plessis, Mat White and then one of his friends, Gane.  We founded the organisation.  We spoke about the possible establishment of an underground organisation.  We all took the view that the only way to mean anything to the struggle was to become militaristic and to go underground.

MR GIMSBEEK: You refer to the struggle, what struggle was that?  How did you see the struggle?