Special Hearings — Mandela United Football Club Hearings — UNKNOWN

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: Bur for all intents and purposes from what we hear these are stab wounds of the neck.

MR VALLY: Fine.  Would you be able - through your post-mortem, to distinguish between what in lay person's language we call a "stab" or if someone's actually trying to cut someone's throat, would you be able to perhaps distinguish between those two?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: Yes, what we understand by: "cut-throat" is a large wound right in front of the neck, they are on occasions self-inflicted but may be inflicted by somebody else but what we have here are three discrete penetrating incised wounds of the neck, this is not a "cut-throat".

MR VALLY: Fine.  And any other wounds that you observed on the body?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: Well, the body was in a marked state of decomposition which made the examination of it very difficult but one could determine by actually cutting in - and in fact the photographs are here as well to demonstrate what I'd found, is there was extensive what we call: "subcutaneous contusion" which is bruising beneath the skin.
 It occurred on top over the top of head, on both sides of the head, both buttocks, the lower back, the left thigh and the right calf - perhaps I must just check that I'm absolutely correct.  I described it as the lower back, both buttocks, the left thigh and the right calf that was bleeding beneath the skin.

MR VALLY: Would that be consistent with an assault?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: Yes, it is, it's due to: "blunt trauma" , in other words either the body coming up against something hard or something hard coming up against the body.

MR VALLY: Were there any other wound that you observed?  We've got the three stab wounds, we've got the overall effect of the assaults of the body - you've mentioned the head and the body, were there any other wounds of any kind?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: There may have been more injuries but due to the marked state of decomposition, the brain had liquefied but with that bruising of the scalp one would in fact expect damage of the brain within the cranial cavity.  I was unable to assess that due to the liquefaction of the brain.

MR VALLY: Thank you Doctor Klapp.

DR BORAINE: Mr Semenya?

MR SEMENYA: I have no questions.

DR BORAINE: Any one else?  Mr Richard?

MR RICHARD: One question.
 My client Mr Richardson has described killing Mr Sepei by slaughtering him like a sheep, at that implies splitting the throat, are the wounds consistent with that description?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: There has not been a slaughtering of the neck, we have three discrete wounds measuring the sizes of which I have given you.  I do mention in the report that the two on the right hand side do not communicate with the one on the left, in other words there are two on the right, one on the left which do not cross the mid line.
 I understand a: "cut throat" as a little cutting of the throat in which the trachea would be damaged, the asophogus would be damaged and we don't have that here.

MR RICHARD: No further questions.

DR BORAINE: Thank you.  Anybody else?  Dr Randera?

DR RANDERA: Just one questions Doctor, were there any fractures?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: There was a fracture of the left clavicle if I'm not mistaken.  I x-rayed the body and there was a fracture of the left clavicle, 2cm from the sterna clavicular joint.

DR RANDERA: There were no fractures of the skull?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: No fractures of the skull.

DR RANDERA: Thank you.

DR BORAINE: Miss Sooka?

YASMINE SOOKA: Just quickly Doctor, you say: "stab wound", would that be consistent with the use of a knife or a dagger, what kind of weapon?

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: Yes, I described the two wounds over the right side of the neck as being canoe-shaped, normally when a canoe-shaped wound is inflicted it's with a weapon such as a dagger, in other words it has two sharp edges to the blade.
 The one on the left hand side of the neck did not have the same configuration, I've just described it as a penetrating incised wound but certainly the two - and again it's borne out by the photographs, have two distinctly sharp edges to the wound.

DR BORAINE: Thank you very much Doctor Klapp, I'm particularly grateful to you ...[intervention]

PATRICIA JANE KLAPP: Thanks.

DR BORAINE: Wait a minute, I want to thank you.  I want to thank you very much particularly for the precise way and professional way in which you responded to the questions, thank you for your evidence, thank you.
 We are now adjourned until 2.30p.m.
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CHAIRPERSON: Please sit down, that means put you're posterior on the seat!  Thank you, there are still people who don't know what that means.
 We call Lerothodi Ikaneng, sorry, we call Euvodia Nkadimeng.
Is there a briefer, thank you. I know you are probably also feeling tired but you are expected to be untiring.  Miss Nkadimeng, welcome (No English translation), thank you very much.

YASMINE SOOKA: Can you state your full names for the record please.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: I am Magali Euvodia Nkadimeng.

YASMINE SOOKA: Thank you.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: (sworn states)

CHAIRPERSON: We have lost our legal team.

MR VALLY: I'm sorry Archbishop, I was looking for Miss Nkadimeng's attorney but I've found him.

MR JORDI: I beg your pardon Mr Chairman, I thought it would be Lerothodi Ikaneng next.

CHAIRPERSON: ...[inaudible]

MR VALLY: Mr Peter Jordi.

MR JORDI: Miss Nkadimeng, do you know somebody by the name of Johannes Temba or did you know somebody by the name of Johannes Temba Mabotha?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: I know him.

MR JORDI: Can you please just repeat the answer for me?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes, I know him.

MR JORDI: Can you tell me in what circumstances you got to know him or knew him?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: On the 26th of January 1988, I was detained from my home in Mankweng which is in Pietersburg and I was taken to Potgieterus Police cells and I discovered that I was not the only person in those police cells, there were another three and the three of them were men.
 Temba was one of those people, that's how I knew him.  Whilst in the cell the comrades who were there wrote me letters ...[intervention]

CHAIRPERSON: Don't wait for the interpretation, just carry on.

MR JORDI: Miss Nkadimeng, is it necessary for you to speak the language that you're speaking currently because I know your English is excellent, wouldn't you prefer to speak in English? - you were going to speak in English.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Okay I don't mind talking in English.

MR JORDI: Okay.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: All these comrades communicated with me by using underground letters and these letters were delivered to my by the sentenced prisoners when they were coming to clean our cells and each of the comrades explained himself to me.  There was a comrade called George, there was a comrade called Makama, there was a comrade called Temba (end of tape - no sound for follow on)

MR JORDI: ... released from custody.

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes.

MR JORDI: When was that?  Do you know approximately?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: It was in 1988 because I spent five months in prison and I was released during July 1988 and I was restricted at home so I stayed at home and one of the good days I went to the shop.
 When I came back my family told me that there was a person with the name of Johannes Mabotha who came there and wanted to see me.  They told him that I was away and then he left but promised that he would come the following day and he did come the following day.

MR JORDI: And thereafter, what happened between you and him?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: On that day when he found me at home, he asked me to accompany me him to a certain township in Tzaneen called Linyene and I agreed.

MR JORDI: As I understand you got to know him quite well, is that correct?

MAGALI EUVODIA NKADIMENG: Yes, I would say so.