Special Hearings — Armed Forces Hearings — 1997-10-07

CHAIRPERSON: Brig Mofokeng, are you asking for an adjournment?  Are your colleagues on their way, are they coming in from outside Cape Town or I mean ...

UNKNOWN: No, they are already in Cape Town.

CHAIRPERSON: Okay.

UNKNOWN: But in as far as the programme is concerned, I think if we can continue according to the agenda.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.  Is it possible to get a message to them to ask them to come as soon as possible?

UNKNOWN: They are on their way.

CHAIRPERSON: Could - I mean, just help me, because we would like to try and make maximum use of available time, the programme was simply a guide and we were hoping for opening statements from everybody before we actually go into the questioning.  We are not even sure if you are going to make those opening statements, and that's very much in your hands.  If we could adjourn and try and take tea now and come back at 10:15, do you think that that would give them time to be here, to give them half-an-hour?

UNKNOWN: I think that will be enough, thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much.  This session will adjourn until 10:15 and there will be no tea break, so we will proceed from 10:15 right through until lunch time.  Thank you.
COMMITTEE ADJOURNS

CHAIRPERSON: I would like to welcome the additional members from the PAC and APLA.  You are very welcome.  We are grateful to you for responding to our invitations to be here.  We look forward to hearing from you during the course of the day.
 Just to make sure in case there are new people since we adjourned, because of the adjournment, we will not be having an adjournment for tea.  So that we will continue now right through until lunch time and then resume after lunch as indicated.
 Once again, I would be grateful if those who have cell-phones would please make sure that they are off.  
 Brig Mofokeng, we were talking to each other just before the adjournment, and what I would like to know from you or any of your colleagues, whether you have any opening statement or whether you want us to simply immediately proceed with questions and then  you can decide who would like to respond to them? I am in your hands.

UNKNOWN: My approach will be that of presenting a statement and of course, before that, introducing members of my delegation so that you know who you are talking to, and of course, maybe if some questions are, particularly some way you must know how to direct them and all that. So I am  having a statement as an opening remark.

CHAIRPERSON: Then, and I assume that all your delegation may well be taking part during the day.  So that all should take the oath before we start.  Would that be in order?  Thank you.

MR NTSEBEZA: Thank you, Dr Boraine. Then I must ask you all to stand and I think for purposes of convenience, I will swear all of you simultaneously.  Now am I - you all, that is those who are at the desks and those behind you, are you all going to be participating?

UNKNOWN: They will all be participating.

MR NTSEBEZA: Right. That's okay. It is just that I was hoping to - let me read the names - M Modani, Brig D Mofokeng, Mr J P Mlambo, Mr J Mkhwanazi, Mr Enoch Zulu, Mr Mphahlele, Mr V L Ntikinca.  Now I am going to swear all of you simultaneously.

M MODAN: (Duly sworn, states).

UNKNOWN: (Duly sworn, states).

J P MLAMBO: (Duly sworn, states).

J MKHWANAZI: (Duly sworn, states).

E ZULU: (Duly sworn, states).

UNKNOWN: (Duly sworn, states).

V L NTIKINCA: (Duly sworn, states).

MR NTSEBEZA: Right. Now if you could sit so that I could see the other persons behind you.  Now if you could give your names so that I can read them into the record.

UNKNOWN: I think it is better for me to introduce me,  Brig Raymond Phitla, Col Willie Mazamzewe, Lieut-Col Sibiso Kumede, Lieut-Col Kulele Nabani.  We expected Col Willie Nkongene, he is not around.  Lieut-Col Lisikelo Mbethe, Supt Tanse Khonto, Abel Dube. I think that's it.

MR NTSEBEZA: Immediately behind you you have not ...

UNKNOWN: He is an office-bearer here.

MR NTSEBEZA: Now all those whose names have been read into the record, let me swear you in.
DELEGATION SWORN IN

MR NTSEBEZA: The witnesses have all been sworn in, Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much, Mr Ntsebeza.  Brig Mofokeng, you indicated that you had an opening statement. We have now, I think, received that, and I would ask you to read that into the record and then we can continue.  Thank you.