Amnesty Hearings — Richards Bay — 1998-04-23

MR NGUBANE: Is it the belief the victims that the applicants were acting under political orders when they committed these acts?

NONHLANHLA TANDAZILE ZULU: Yes that is correct.

MR NGUBANE: Thank you Mr Chairman, that is all.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Ngubane. Mr Wills do you have any questions?

MR WILLS: No questions Mr Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Mr Stewart?

MR STEWART: No questions Mr Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Hewit?

MR HEWIT: No thank you Mr Chairman.

MR LASICH: No questions thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mpshe?

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: No questions thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Moloi?

MR MOLOI: I have none thank you Mr Chair.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Motata?

MR MOTATA: I have no questions thank you Mr Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Mrs Khampepe?

SISI KHAMPEPE: No questions from my side Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much Miss Zulu, you mat stand down.
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CHAIRPERSON: Mr Ngubane you mentioned at the beginning of your evidence that you would want to speak to Mrs Tarliwe and Nxumalo I think. Have you got any other witness as this stage?

MR NGUBANE: No I have no other witness.

CHAIRPERSON: Should we take an adjournment at this stage and then you can inform us perhaps in chambers whether you are going to call somebody else or not?

MR NGUBANE: Yes, five minutes, ten minutes.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes we will take a short adjournment at this stage just to give Mr Ngubane an opportunity to decide whether or not there is going to be any further evidence.

MR STEWART: Mr Chairperson, sorry to intervene. Could I suggest also that we try and use that opportunity to settle dates for the next hearing.

CHAIRPERSON: I think that would be a good idea Mr Stewart. If we cannot we will have to arrange it, postpone it to a date o be arranged which I know in itself presents quite a lot of problems because then you have got to do it from long distance, making those arrangements. So I would appreciate it if the legal representatives could get together and see if we can arrive at a fixed date for the resumed hearing of this matter.

MR HEWIT: Mr Chairman might I enquire from my learned friend, Mr Ngubane whether it is remotely possible that when he gets instructions from these other persons he has mentioned whether it is envisaged he might call further evidence or other persons may speak. Because this will determine whether i and my colleagues to the right of me will remain in attendance or not.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes that is the purpose why we are taking this short adjournment for Mr Ngubane to establish whether or not he is going to call anybody. So I think perhaps if you could also be there together when you arrange dates Mr Hewit and sort that out at the same time.

MR HEWIT: As you please Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: We will take a short adjournment.
COMMITTEE ADJOURNS
ON RESUMPTION

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Ngubane?

MR NGUBANE: Thank you Mr Chairman and I am indebted to the members of the committee for the indulgence. I have no further witnesses to call. But I would like to place it on record that Mrs Tarliwe and Mrs Nxumalo are not present at this stage. Thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Ngubane.

MR STEWART: Sorry Mr Chairperson if I can just place something on record?

CHAIRPERSON: Yes certainly Mr Wills.

MR WILLS: I am instructed by the applicants, all applicants just to place on record that they appreciate the position taken by the community and they are enormously humbled by the depth of compassion that the community has shown. Thank you Mr Chairperson.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Wills. The only then outstanding issue is has it been arranged when we will be proceeding and where or will we be postponing to a date to be arranged?

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: (...indistinct) to a date to be arranged as well as a venue.

CHAIRPERSON: That then ladies and gentlemen brings this part of the hearings to a conclusion. As I mentioned yesterday we will proceed with this hearing but at another venue in order to give the victims involved in incidents at other places an opportunity to be present. That venue will be, as I have mentioned earlier somewhere in or near Mpumalanga district. A date has not yet been finalised when that resumed hearing will commence. So in the circumstances I am now postponing this hearing to a date to be arranged and also to a place which is still to be arranged.
	Due notification will be made about the dates and the venue and we will then proceed with the matter from there. And I reiterate what I said yesterday and thanking everybody for making this hearing go as it did. I thought it went very well. Thank you, we will now adjourn.
COMMITTEE ADJOURNS