Amnesty Hearings — Pietersburg — UNKNOWN

ADV VISSER: Mr Chairman I'm fully in agreement with you. In fact Fuchs, and whether he had grudges against Fuchs and so on is totally irrelevant for what we're here for, we're here for applications for amnesty for certain applicants but the point is I just wanted to put this in context.  I'm not going to take it any further because I fully agree with you. It really is irrelevant.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes thank you.   I think you are excused. Sorry before that, when did you apply to rejoin the police?

MAROPENG MATTHEWS SEHLWANA: I did that application in 1993.  I don't remember the month.

CHAIRPERSON: And when did you get the reply?

MAROPENG MATTHEWS SEHLWANA: There was no formal reply.  I took an initiative to go and enquire about the reply and I was told that I cannot be reemployed.  Then they mentioned that I don't have standard 10.

CHAIRPERSON: Why did you leave the police force?

MAROPENG MATTHEWS SEHLWANA: To explain it fully, it's a long story.  I don't know actually what I should explain?

CHAIRPERSON: We'll ask you more questions if we think it's not enough.

MAROPENG MATTHEWS SEHLWANA: The way I was working at times, new people who came to the security force, they would be told about my activity that I should be their role model. Then I understood that this would put me in danger that everyone would know what I did previously.  I thought maybe that our  activities were secret, then I thought that it is better to look for another job somewhere.

CHAIRPERSON: You didn't want to be another Mamasela?

MAROPENG MATTHEWS SEHLWANA: No.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.  You're excused , you can go.

MAROPENG MATTHEWS SEHLWANA: Thank you Sir.
WITNESS EXCUSED

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Rossouw, do you have any further witness to call in support of your client's application for amnesty?

MR ROSSOUW: Mr Chairman I have no further witnesses.

CHAIRPERSON: That is your case.

MR ROSSOUW: That is my case.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Black do you have any witnesses that you want to call in relation to this particular application?

MR BLACK: Mr Chairman I have no witnesses but I have explained to some of the relatives of any of the deceased who are present that should there be any questions pertinently arising out of this evidence, they could give it to me but with permission of the Committee, the intention was to do that at the end of the presentation of all the evidence on behalf of all the applicants.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, except that we were told yesterday that the relatives wanted to be here only until tomorrow.  I don't know when the last applicant is going to testify.  If you are going to wait until the last applicant is going to testify, that could be Thursday and if they will still be here by then, then that's alright, but if there are certain problems that they have and will not be able to be here beyond tomorrow or beyond today then if they want to testify or say anything, we should slot them in.

MR BLACK: Yes Mr Chairman this morning I didn't have an opportunity to consult with all of them and I'd like to, perhaps, I don't know what time you intend breaking for tea but I could...  This morning some of them hadn't arrived, some families had not yet arrived but I'd like to just confirm with them because I've also been given conflicting time periods as to how long they are going to stay.

CHAIRPERSON: Maybe you'll consult with them during tea time.