Human Rights Violation Hearings — King William's Town — 1997-05-13

JUNE CRICHTON: And the second question relates to what has been said here about other children being involved in the incident, that was shot at by the same perpetrator.
 Who are those children?  Do you know them, were they Dyonasi Peter and Nomathemba?

VUYSWA NANA: It was not Dyonasi Peter.  Peter was the one who reported this incident at home.  He said that my brother was near Nomathemba's home.  The person who was shot was Bongani Calmache and he died.  I don't remember others.

JUNE CRICHTON: Thank you very much, thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: We thank you ladies and gentlemen.   We have noted your requests.  Our job is to collect all the information and the requests so that we can forward them to the President of this country in Pretoria.
 He will be the one who will see what to do for you.  It is not upon us to decide.  If you see us around, don't ask us where is my house, the one I wanted in the Commission.  It is not upon us to decide, it is the President who is going to decide what to do.  We just gather information and we compile a report, forward it to the President so that he can see that he will build a house for certain people, he will see how to compensate you because this incidents happened all over the country, it did not only happen in Stutterheim or in the Eastern Cape, but it happened through the whole country.
 But we promise you that we've listened to what you have said.  When we are compiling our report, they will be included in our report.  Those in authority will see what to do.
 For now we thank you, you my go back to your seats, thank you.

MR REDPATH: I represent Mr Dlomba in respect of the incident just previously testified to.  Quite obviously we have not taken full instructions and therefor  our response has to be the same as has been all day, in respect of the other incidents.
 However, we are informed that there indeed was an inquest.

CHAIRPERSON: We are just trying to get our documents, which number is it?

JUNE CRICHTON: Is it Ntondo?

CHAIRPERSON: Dlomba.

MR REDPATH: It is a specific reference to the witness Godana, number 1717, if my memory serves me correct, number 11 on your list if I am not mistaken.

JUNE CRICHTON: 1717?

MR REDPATH: Is that a Mr Godana?

JUNE CRICHTON: Godana.

MR REDPATH: Yes.  It is in respect of that.

CHAIRPERSON: Eleven, oh, okay.

MR REDPATH: It is witness number 11 on your list.

CHAIRPERSON: Okay, we are on the same page now, thank you.  Mr Redpath, you are representing Mr Dlomba?

MR REDPATH: Correct.  You will recall Mr Godana made reference to the home of a Mr Vusumzi Kula, who is another one of the persons whom I represent.
 Vusumzi Kula is the person implicated by the old lady, Zamkana and there is a second witness who is not present today, who also had a complaint against Vusumzi Kula, it is one Xhalisile.  These incidents are all fairly closely tied together.
 In respect of the evidence given by Mr Godana, at this stage I can inform the Commission there was an inquest.  I just don't know the outcome of the inquest, I just don't have any documentation, but as before, we pledge our full cooperation, we will not be obstructive in any way.
 We simply require time to prepare and present a fair case on behalf of those implicated.  Thank you Mr Chairman.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Mr Redpath.  The toyi-toyi was going to
Vusumzi Kula's house?

MR REDPATH: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: The toyi-toyi was going to Vusumzi Kula's and the alleged perpetrator in this case, Mr Dlomba, then  the allegation is that he shot at the people who were toyi-toying to this house?

MR REDPATH: That is my basic understanding at this stage, yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Okay.  And you are saying that there was an inquest.

MR REDPATH: I am informed that there was, yes.

CHAIRPERSON: And you would assist us with the inquest records if you get them before we do?

MR REDPATH: Yes.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much.  Thank you Mr Redpath.

MR REDPATH: Thank you Mr Chairman.