Amnesty Hearings — Bloemfontein — 1998-01-29

CHAIRPERSON: Let's be a little kinder than that. Is it proposed that you would have sighted one another's heads before they are filed - if it is merely any further submissions you wish to make, you can do so in writing by the 15th February.

MR VISSER: Mr Chairman, I know that that is the normal procedure, but I would suggest to you that if we are going to have to wait until we receive - and I'm not mentioning names of anybody here ...[intervention]

CHAIRPERSON: You don't have to wait. You don't wait. You all have until the 15th to file any further written submissions.

MR VISSER: The 15th is a Sunday, my attorney tells me. Incidentally, the 6th April was also on a Sunday. So, is it the 16th?

CHAIRPERSON: The 16th.

MR VISSER: Thank you, Mr Chairman. We will certainly do our best endeavours to let you have it.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.

ADV MEMANI: Mr Chairman, can I request that I be exonerated from submitting further heads? I don't think that any heads will make any of the cases better, but I would of course love an opportunity to reply to his heads if the need arises, and that would require ...[intervention]

CHAIRPERSON: When we have received the heads of those parties who submit them, if we require further information we will ask for it. Perhaps we will grant you that, Mr Memani. The heads will be served on you the 16th and you can file any further arguments you wish to by the 20th. The 20th will be the Friday.

ADV MEMANI: What about the 27th, Mr Chairman, because it gives me really only four days to ...[intervention]

CHAIRPERSON: Five days. Let's make it the 23rd.

MR VISSER: Mr Chairman, may enquire, is the idea that my attorney has to serve on the attorney of Mr Memani?

CHAIRPERSON: Yes.

MR VISSER: Has he been placed on record, Mr Chairman, because we have no information.

CHAIRPERSON: I understood that he was at the commencement when the other attorney withdrew.

MR VISSER: No, I mean his information. Well, we'll sort it out, Mr Chairman.

MR STANDER: Mr Chairman, I want to confirm that I do not intend to give any written submissions, whether you provide amnesty or not, it has nothing to do with the victims.

CHAIRPERSON: If you wish to do so, you may, but if you don't want to you don't have to. It is merely that I think the applicants should be given a right of reply.

MRADV DE JAGER: As it pleases you.

CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, I have overlooked the fact that we have Leader of Evidence whom I haven't give a chance to speak.

ADV MEMANI: Mr Chairman, ...[intervention]

CHAIRPERSON: No, we are dealing with Mr Brink now, he is the Leader of Evidence.

MR BRINK: Mr Chairman, I have listened to the arguments and I propose to have nothing, unless you want me to deal with anything specific.

CHAIRPERSON: And can you, when you have received the written arguments you may ...[intervention]

MR BRINK: If I may wish to.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Mr Memani?

ADV MEMANI: Mr Chairman, to place the attorney on record as requested, he is Mr Raphadana: R-A-P-H-A-D-A-N-A of Kgoroeadira: K-G-O-R-O-E-A-D-I-R-A, Raphadana R-A-P-H-A-D-A-N-A, and Partners, 3rd Floor, Khotso: K-H-O-T-S-O House, 62 Marshall Street, Johannesburg, 2001, and the P O Box 8406, Johannesburg, 2000; telephone: (011) 838 3220, fax (011) 939 3620.

CHAIRPERSON: You've been reading from a card; can you make that card available to get it photostatted and copies can be given?

ADV MEMANI: As the Chair pleases.

CHAIRPERSON: We will now adjourn, and I would like to thank everyone for the assistance they have given us. We have finished well within the time, thank you.
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