Amnesty Hearings — Kimberley — 1997-10-30

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Mr Chairman, I'm not calling any witnesses.  Both parents, the mother and the father to Matshusu Ntema, the second incident in the last applicant's application, they've indicated that they know what has happened and it is actually their third time to attend hearings on the same incident.
	They don't want to say anything and they state clearly that they are not opposing application for amnesty but if the Committee wants them to come and say it on record, they can put it on record that they are not opposing - they don't want to testify anything.  And on the incident - the application of Monyake, the deceased's people is Annie Molelle and another, Tefo Molelle is the deceased.  
	These are not here, these are the people I'd said to the 
Committee that they were en-route by kombi with the commander Thulo to whom I was talking now.  He informed upon arrival that the mother to the deceased Tefo could not come because when he went to her to collect her, she told him that she was awaiting the other children from Johannesburg to come take charge of the children at home in order to release her to come down but since they have not arrived, she's not coming and she does not oppose the application as well.  
	The victims in the last incident - allow me to call it the Daveyton or the Benoni incident, they are not here completely.  I was informed by the logistics officer yesterday in the afternoon at about 15H30, that they called and that they received the notices on Wednesday and even if they had received it earlier they wouldn't come because they wanted this incident to be dealt with in Johannesburg because the incident took place in Johannesburg but they are not opposing the application and they don't have a lawyer if - no, no, they said they're opposing sorry, they're opposing the application but they do not need a lawyer and I said to them if they are opposing I will convey this to the Committee and I will do the questioning on their behalf and they were satisfied therewith, that is all.  I have no witnesses to call.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mthembu, do you - are you ready to argue or what do you suggest?

MR MTHEMBU: Thank you Mr Chair, I'm not ready to argue at this stage and through you Mr Chair, I would propose that if I could submit written ...[indistinct] simultaneously on the same day with the application of Mr Monyake.

CHAIRPERSON: Which would be when?

MR MTHEMBU: According to Ms Khampepe, she suggested next week Thursday.

CHAIRPERSON: Will you be able to do that?

MR MTHEMBU: I should be able to Mr Chair.

CHAIRPERSON: Please try to keep to the terms because we have had unpleasant experiences that some legal representatives do not keep to their arrangement and as a result they delay judgments.

MR MTHEMBU: I will keep the time limits Mr Chair, thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Mr Mpshe?

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Mr Chair and the Committee, I have no problem what has been said by Mr Mthembu, I just wanted to mention the date, the date will be the 6th of November for the submission of the ...[indistinct] or argument.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, Mr Mpshe?

MOKOTEDI MPSHE: Mr Chairman, then that will form a - that concludes the work for the Amnesty Committee this week in this area, thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: We thank the co-operation that we've enjoyed from all the people including the audience in having helped expedite the hearings.  We have come to the end of the roll for the week and we therefore adjourn.  We reserve our judgment.
COMMITTEE ADJOURNS