Human Rights Violation Hearings — Port Elizabeth — UNKNOWN

WITNESS: When I got to court I was told that I raped someone.  I was told that I murdered someone.  I was charged of kidnap.  I was also told that I was Tungata's informer.  Tungata's informer called Tungata Boyi and another woman called No-Mama, I was told I raped those women.  I was charged five times.  Lawyers like Somyalo Majodina tried quite a lot, Kanunu and the rest, so that I could get bail, but Dennis and Roelofs refused.  I stayed in that prison until 1986.  Immediately when I was released there was a State of Emergency outside.  Then again, just after I was released I was arrested again.  Roelofs was the one who arrested me.  Conway and Mr X, Van Wyk, Faku and another very old man who was also white, he was called Qwati because he used to speak Xhosa like Xhosa speaking people, I was asked there where they could find Mkuseli Jack, Mike Xego and other UDF leaders.  I denied, Reverend.  I could not tell them because at that time it was really bad.  They told me, "Now you are in our hands."
They took me to Bethelsdorp.  That is where I stayed.  I was not beaten at all.  I stayed there happily.  I was as if I was at home.  I actually forgot that I was arrested.  Mr Faku arrived and said to me, "Now you have come into a coup ditat.  They arrived on Thursday, 18 July 1986.  There was a convoy of cars full of white men.  
Faku was the leader as well as Jam.  They said to me, "Get into the toilet, we will be waiting for you here at the Reception."  I was forced to go to the toilet even though I did not need to go there.  When I got there I prayed.  I said, "God, be with me today."  I went to the Reception.  I was then taken into a combi.
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WITNESS: They were trying to hide the handcuffs so that no one could see these handcuffs.  If you were outside the combi you could only see oranges.  Some would just hug and talk to me, people like Faku and this small one, Mr McIntyre.  At that time I had already signed a certain form.  It was my release form.  This combi started at Kleinskool in a Coloured school.  From there it went to Maqxaki High.  Some of the Comrades cried.  They said, "Apleni, can it be you who is an informer today?"  Reverend, I could not even say anything.
From there we went to Soweto.  I am sorry, Reverend, let me just go back.  Before we went to Soweto we went to Ndzondelelo.  At that time there was a 110h00 break.  The first person to see me was Comrade Genge.  He tried to stop the students.  He said, "No, Apleni will never be an informer.  
It is those certain conditions that made him be like that."  We went to Johnson Road.  When we got there we found one man who was trying to fix his van.  He was also grabbed and was beaten up saying that, "Apleni said that you are one of the street committees."  This man said, "Apleni, can it be possible that it could be you who could say something like that?"  There was another man who was being nice to me and I could not even say anything to this man because I was afraid of this man next to me.
From Johnson Road we went next to Tangola Mani's home just next to the garage.  When we got there the workers were busy going to work and students were going to school.  The community now cried, saying, "Can it be you, Apleni, who is doing this to the community?"
From there we left.  These White men at that time were hugging me pretending to be my friends.  Mr X and his friends were talking to me.  They were telling me, "Today, Apleni, you are going to burn with your family."
Reverend, our third stop was my home at Mdana Street.  When I arrived my children saw me.  They said, "Mama, here is father coming back again."  My family were so happy.  Then the combi just reversed.  A third house from me, Mr Solwani who is my neighbour, when this combi arrived it was going at 200kms p/hr.  I had this bag of oranges the whole time on me.  People just asked me, "What happened, Apleni?  Apleni, why did you point at me?  I am not a street committee?  Why did you say I am anything?"  I could not respond.
From my street we went to Boyi Street.  There was a girl and a young man, Mr Phukwana, this couple was arrested.  The police said, "It is Apleni who said we should do this to you."  Now the combi was full.  This combi was now travelling at 10kms p/hr.  It was going around Njoli and people were watching us.
From there we went to Centenary.  When we got there there were a lot of people.  It looked as if there was a show there.  When people saw me like that they said, "Thanks."  From Centenary I was taken back to Bethelsdorp.
Rev

N XUNDU: From Bethelsdorp, what happened?

WITNESS: Reverend, when we got to Bethelsdorp...
Rev

N XUNDU: When did you go to Jeffrey's Bay?