Amnesty Hearings — Pretoria — UNKNOWN

ADV VAN DER WALT: I think perhaps there is a slight misunderstanding here which I would like to clear up.  Mr Van Eyck was suspended on the same day, but he cannot remember the exact date and they went home, it was about four o'clock in the afternoon, as a result of the suspension.

EMILY FOURIE: On that same day, I can't tell you whether it was the 7th or whether the letter was written later, but the fact remains that according to Mr Van Eyck an hour later, Mr Gerber phoned him and said that Mr McFarlane ....
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DAY 2 - TAPE 3 - SIDE A

ADV VAN DER WALT: ...  Mr Gerber reported directly in respect of these investigations regarding terrorist groups, did not group to Mr Colins, Mr Colin Fourie of, because he was from the finance department.

EMILY FOURIE: Let me just tell you. I have a very good relationship or I had a very good relationship with Mr McFarlane and I have - we had an open door policy between the two of us.  I could go to him at any time with any kind of problem and I could ask to see him and discuss with him. I was also a personal friend of his. Let me tell you right now, that where you refer to terrorist investigations, in my discussions with Mr McFarlane when we were specifically discussing all the problems regarding Fidelity Guards and the money which disappeared, it was never mentioned to me that Fidelity Guards was investigating terrorist gangs.

ADV VAN DER WALT: No, no, they weren't, they did not investigate terrorist gangs.

EMILY FOURIE: Well, I'm afraid that's what I heard you to say.

ADV VAN DER WALT: No further questions, thank you.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY ADV VAN DER WALT

HASSAN MALL: Would it be possible for you to look at your records and perhaps let us have a written information as to the date on which the suspension was made?

EMILY FOURIE: We might have it in our files, but could we have a short adjournment then if you want ...

HASSAN MALL: Well, no, I thought you would have it with you.

EMILY FOURIE: No, unfortunately I don't have that here.

HASSAN MALL: Well, could you send it to us?

EMILY FOURIE: All I know is that it was during the period between September and November, that is why I suspect that it was in October.

HASSAN MALL: Yes.

JUDGE WILSON: Is Mr McFarlane available and would he have records?  Do you know?

EMILY FOURIE: I am sure that the head office, it wasn't only Mr McFarlane involved in this inquiry.  In fact, and Mr Phillips headed up the inquiry, and I am sure that their head office would have the documentation available for us, if we so requested.

HASSAN MALL: Well, we are really concerned only with the simple issue, just to put the matter beyond doubt, that as to when the suspension was decided or when it was put into effect. Now you can send the relevant document to us. You don't have to - you can send the Amnesty Committee as soon as you can.

EMILY FOURIE: I will do that.

HASSAN MALL: Yes, and perhaps send a copy to them as well.

EMILY FOURIE: Yes, I will.

HASSAN MALL: Once you receive those documents, and it transpires you disagree with it, nothing prevents you from writing to us to let us know that you have received this letter and whether you agree or disagree about the date and why.

ADV PRINSLOO: As you please, Mr Chairman.

HASSAN MALL: We will accept written submissions from you in that regard.

ADV VAN DER WALT: Thank you.

HASSAN MALL: All right.  Any questions you would want to ask?  Thank you very much.

EMILY FOURIE: Thank you.
WITNESS EXCUSED

UNKNOWN: Mr Chairman, then that closes the evidence.

HASSAN MALL: Thank you.

HASSAN MALL: Mr Prinsloo?