Amnesty Hearings — Johannesburg — 1998-08-03

MR PRETORIUS: And the third thing that appears on page 7269 from the top of the page up to approximately line 15, is that no shots were fired from the position where the people laid down that was injured at the corner there.  There were no shots fired from that position.  You referred to the sketch-plan which was already handed it, it will be noted that the blue circle from where the firing took place was actually not from that particular corner but in the middle of the street some distance away.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, thank you very much.

MR PRETORIUS: Then we've go no further questions, I have no further witnesses to call Mr Chair.

CHAIRPERSON: Thanks.  Off-hand I can't recall what Exhibit this report, the ballistics report is.  Is there anybody who remembers?

MR LAX: It's part of one of the "C's" under "B".

CHAIRPERSON: We'll just have to find - just in case we don't let this be Exhibit F.  Yes, thank you very much.

MR DORFLING: I think we can just mark it Exhibit F, maybe that would be ...(indistinct)

CHAIRPERSON: Very well, this will go in as Exhibit F.

MR BERGER: Chairperson just for the record, and I'm not going to burden the Committee now with a ballistics argument, we don't agree with some of the submissions, in particular the final submission made by my learned friend about the circle, but we will deal with it in argument.

CHAIRPERSON: Yes, quite understandably.  He's giving you the purpose for which these pages are being handed to us from his point of view.  We understand, thank you.
	Now I think we should finalise one or two things, and that is we would welcome comprehensive written argument from counsel involved in this matter and as I have indicated earlier this morning, because of the burden that this Committee carries, we would appreciate it if that is done within 10 days from today.  May I suggest that you please don't wait until you get the transcript of the remainder of the evidence, you can start doing your work, you know, now as it where, and in the hope that you'd be able to finish and let us have your heads within 10 days.  Mr Tipp that's quite clear isn't it?

MR TIPP: Mr Chairman that's perfectly clear and we will ensure that our heads are completed within that period.  It may be that once we receive the responses from our learned friends, that we may need to file a short reply.  If that is necessary we will attend to it with every dispatch.

CHAIRPERSON: Well one advantage about making your heads available or interchanging heads, is that it can only make the work of the Commission that much easier, and it will be of greater assistance to us once we have considered the replies, if there are any need for replies.

MR DORFLING: Mr Chair, may I similarly indicate the moment Mr Tipp and his team's argument is available, I would perhaps also like to comment on certain submissions made there and similarly I've agreed with Mr Tipp the moment his have become available I'll supplement the heads that have already been done by that time with whatever argument needs to be presented.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much.

MR PRETORIUS: A similar arrangement has been made between me and Mr Tipp as well.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.

MR DORFLING: Mr Chair, from a logistics point of view, my attorney of record has just asked me to make sure that we dispatch it to the right address, is it going to the Cape Town address or where is it supposed to be going?

CHAIRPERSON: No the administration of the Amnesty Committee is in Cape Town and it should go to the Executive Secretary of the Amnesty Committee please.

MR DORFLING: I thank you.

CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.  It remains for me to thank all of you for having assisted us with this inquiry.  Things have moved much more smoothly than they might otherwise have.  Thank you very much.  I come to the conclusion of these hearings and we adjourn.
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