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Monetary Policy and Financial Stability

Remarks by
Michael S. Barr
Vice Chair for Supervision
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
at the

Forecasters Club of New York

New York, New York

October 2, 2023

Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you. I would like to talk with you
today about the intersection of my two roles at the Federal Reserve as the Vice Chair for
Supervision at the Federal Reserve Board and as a member of the Federal Open Market
Committee (FOMC).! In particular, I'll focus on the interaction of monetary policy and
financial stability policy.

Views on Monetary Policy and Current Conditions

First, my views on current monetary policy.

I am squarely focused on our dual mandate to promote maximum employment
and stable prices for the American people. I strongly agree with the point that Chair
Powell has made often, which is that without price stability, the economy does not work
for anyone. Price stability is crucial to achieving a sustained period of strong labor
market conditions that benefit all.

I joined the FOMC last year at a time when the headline CPI inflation was
peaking at about 9 percent, and we had begun our policy response. There has been a lot
of progress since tightening the stance of policy began last year. In August, the 12-month
change in CPI inflation was about 3% percent. The Committee has raised the federal
funds rate 54 percentage points while also reducing the Fed's securities holdings by
about $1 trillion. Our strong measures have ensured that inflation expectations remain
well anchored.

While inflation has been moderating, incoming data on economic activity have
shown considerably more resilience than I had expected. We are being helped by

improvements in supply. I now see a higher probability than I did previously of the U.S.

' The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily those of my colleagues on the Federal Open
Market Committee or the Federal Reserve Board.

economy achieving a return to price stability without the degree of job losses that have
typically accompanied significant monetary policy tightening cycles. However, the
historical record cautions that this outcome could be quite difficult to achieve.

Of course, the labor market is tight and the data show that employment continued
to expand through August, but incoming data also suggest we are making progress on
bringing labor demand and supply back into better balance. Job growth has moderated
while labor force participation has continued to improve. Immigration has increased, and
job vacancies have moved down toward a more normal level.

My baseline projection is for real GDP growth to moderate to somewhat below its
potential rate over the next year as restrictive monetary policy and tighter financial
conditions restrain economic activity, and I expect this below-trend growth will be
associated with some further softening in the labor market. As we watch how conditions
evolve, I remain highly attuned to risks to achieving both components of our mandate.

There is a robust debate about the lags of monetary policy transmission; how long
it takes for past tightening to come into full effect. While these lags are difficult to
estimate, I expect that the full effects of past tightening are yet to come in the months
ahead. I strongly agree with what Chair Powell has said about where we are in the
tightening cycle. Given how far we have come, we are now at a point where we can
proceed carefully as we determine the extent of monetary policy restriction that is
needed. In my view, the most important question at this point is not whether an
additional rate increase is needed this year or not, but rather how long we will need to
hold rates at a sufficiently restrictive level to achieve our goals. I expect it will take some

time. I will continue to evaluate a range of incoming data as I make my assessments at

upcoming meetings. As a part of this, I continue to track the cost and availability of
credit to the economy, as I will discuss later in these remarks.
Monetary Policy and Financial Stability

Now let me turn to my focus today, which is the interaction of monetary policy
and financial stability. Monetary policy affects the cost and quantity of credit in the
economy, usually in a broad-based and gradual fashion. Financial instability, however,
can affect the cost and quantity of credit in an acute and abrupt fashion. Both forces have
an effect on economic activity, as the flow of credit to businesses and households is
crucial for spending, hiring, and production, underpinning economic growth.

Financial stability was a key motivation for the creation of the Federal Reserve
System in 1913. Although the term "financial stability" wasn't in the vernacular at the
time, the Fed was established in part to provide "an elastic currency"-a major concern
in an era when periodic strains in the banking sector resulted in currency hoarding and
widespread bank runs and failures, causing severe harm to our economy. For much of
our subsequent history, however, the Federal Reserve tended to consider financial
stability and monetary policy separately.3 That perspective changed considerably in the

years after the Global Financial Crisis, which had many implications for how we think

? As Paul Volcker put it 40 years ago when testifying as Federal Reserve Chair, "the Federal Reserve, like
any central bank, has a continuing and abiding interest in . . . the stability of the financial system in the
broader sense. If you go back to history, that's really why the Federal Reserve was founded." See Paul
Volcker (1983), "Panel Discussion," in Problems, Options, and Issues Currently Facing the Financial
Services Industry and the Agencies that Regulate and Supervise These Entities, hearing before the
Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, U.S. Senate, Apr. 26, Senate Hearing 98-142, 98
Cong. (Washington: Government Printing Office), p. 78. In addition, Robert Owen wrote, "It is the duty
of the United States to provide a means by which the periodic panics which shake the American Republic
and do it enormous injury shall be stopped." See Robert L. Owen (1919), The Federal Reserve Act: Its
Origins and Principles (New York: Century Company).

3 See, for example, Ben S. Bernanke (2013), "A Century of US Central Banking: Goals, Frameworks,
Accountability," Journal of Economic Perspectives, vol. 27 (Fall), pp. 3-16.

about financial stability and the role of the Federal Reserve. The Dodd-Frank Act was
pivotal in reducing financial-sector vulnerabilities that contributed to the crisis, as were
attendant reforms to capital and liquidity rules that strengthened the resiliency of the
banking system.

Financial Stability Considerations in a Low-Rate Environment

After the Global Financial Crisis, the Federal Reserve kept interest rates low for
years to revive a badly damaged economy. Researchers, market participants, and
policymakers took note of the potential for very low interest rates to encourage investors
to "reach for yield"-that is, to take increased risk in pursuing higher returns on their
investments. This behavior can include taking on increased interest rate, credit, and
liquidity risk. In some ways, investor reach for yield is an indication that monetary
policy is helping stimulate economic activity. Lowering borrowing costs increases the
expected return on any investment that is financed. This means that lower rates result in
more investments or projects getting the green light. As a result, more people get jobs as
economic activity increases.

But in that environment of record low interest rates, and with the ravages of the
financial crisis a fresh memory, people rightly wondered whether the incentive to reach
for yield would drive excessive risk-taking, leading to a buildup in vulnerabilities that
could ultimately threaten the stability of the financial system and the economy. Were
those risks so considerable that financial stability concerns should be taken into

consideration in making monetary policy decisions?* At the same time, some risks were

4 Michael Woodford raised the issue in 2012; see Michael Woodford (2012), "Inflation Targeting and
Financial Stability,"" NBER Working Paper Series 17967 (Cambridge, Mass.: National Bureau of
Economic Research, April), https://www.nber.org/papers/w17967. Among Fed policymakers, it was

moving outside the banking system, leading some to worry that measures to build
resilience at banks would miss these risks. Indeed, as then-Governor Jeremy Stein
famously pointed out, monetary policy "gets in all the cracks" and therefore could push
back against excessive risk-taking, not only in banks, but across the financial system.°
Despite these concerns, financial stability risks were contained until the pandemic.
Financial Stability Consideration of Moving from Low Rates to Rising Rates

The pandemic resulted in an unprecedented mismatch between demand and
supply, both here and abroad, and these forces were the initial impetus for high inflation.
The shift from an environment of generally low and slowly adjusting rates to the rapid
and near-simultaneous tightening of monetary policy around the world that began last
year set the stage for additional stresses in the financial system. For example, in the
United Kingdom, an initial jump in the yields on longer-maturity government bonds was
amplified by distress at liability-driven investment funds. These funds had become
popular with many pension funds during the low-rate period and faced a liquidity
squeeze, as they had to rapidly post collateral to cover derivatives losses. This led to

widespread disruptions in the gilt market last fall, requiring the Bank of England to

broached in 2013 by Narayana Kocherlakota and then dealt with more extensively in 2014 in speeches by
Jeremy Stein and Janet Yellen; see Narayana Kocherlakota (2013), "Low Real Interest Rates," speech
delivered at the 22nd Annual Hyman P. Minsky Conference, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College,
New York, April 18, https://www.minneapolisfed.org/speeches/2013/low-real-interest-rates; Jeremy C.
Stein (2014), "Incorporating Financial Stability Considerations into a Monetary Policy Framework," speech
delivered at the International Research Forum on Monetary Policy, Washington, March 21,
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/stein20140321a.htm; Janet L. Yellen (2014),
"Monetary Policy and Financial Stability," speech delivered at the 2014 Michel Camdessus Central
Banking Lecture, International Monetary Fund, Washington, July 2,
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/yellen20140702a.htm.

5 See Jeremy C. Stein (2013), "Overheating in Credit Markets: Origins, Measurement, and Policy
Responses," speech delivered at "Restoring Household Financial Stability after the Great Recession: Why
Household Balance Sheets Matter," research symposium sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of St.
Louis, St. Louis, February 7, https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/stein20130207a.htm.

undertake a temporary and targeted program of purchases of long-dated government
bonds.°

Here in the United States, starting in 2022, the FOMC began a period of rapid and
substantial increases in the federal funds target range to combat inflation that was much
too high. While most banks were well positioned to handle rate increases, higher interest
rates had a severe effect on the balance sheets of banks that had not managed their
interest rate risk appropriately. This mismanagement came into acute focus when Silicon
Valley Bank (SVB) announced it had realized a large loss from the sale of securities that
had declined in value and that it intended to raise capital to fill that hole. Uninsured
depositors abruptly ran on the bank-with actual and planned flight totaling roughly 85
percent of its deposits within 24 hours-and it failed instantly. SVB's failure caused
widespread contagion that led quickly to the failure of Signature Bank and eventually to
the failure of First Republic Bank, and it posed acute stress on other banks. The stress
only abated after invocation of the systemic risk exception that permitted the Federal
Deposit Insurance Corporation to protect all depositors (including uninsured depositors)
of the failed banks and the creation of the Bank Term Funding Program (BTFP) using the
Fed's emergency lending authorities. The BTFP allowed banks to get access to Fed
liquidity based on the par value of their high-quality securities at fixed rates for up to a
year.

This response helped calm conditions in the banking sector. Deposit flows

returned to normal, and the prospect of a widespread and acute bank credit contraction

6 See Bank of England (2022), Financial Stability Report (London: BOE, December),
https://www. bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/financial-stability-report/2022/financial-stability-
report-december-2022.pdf.

receded. Such a contraction could well have harmed the economy and even triggered a
recession. Indeed, one recent study looked at data for 46 countries over 150 years and
found that episodes of bank stress are frequently followed by significant drops in bank
lending and economic activity that persist for many years.' Despite the effectiveness of
our response to the March stress events, the question again arose whether monetary
policy goals were in conflict with financial stability.

Given these historical experiences, I think it is particularly important that we
watch closely how both monetary policy and the effects of the March banking stress are
affecting bank behavior and the provision of credit to the economy. Recent data are
consistent with pressures on banks easing relative to March. Nevertheless, although
deposit volatility has abated, some banks have had to turn to higher-cost funding sources
to make up for lost deposits. And core loan growth appears to be relatively stagnant in
banks of all sizes. While low loan growth can be explained in part by weaker demand for
loans in response to higher costs of credit, it is also driven in part by banks tightening
their standards, as they reported they were doing in the past several releases of the Senior

Loan Officer Opinion Survey on Bank Lending Practices.®

As we continue to track developments, we are also continuing to learn from this
episode. As I have discussed in other remarks, as well as in congressional testimony, we
are using lessons learned from the March episode to consider how we can both enhance
our supervision and adjust our regulations as appropriate to address risks at the

institutions over which we have supervisory and regulatory authority.

7 See Matthew Baron, Emil Verner, and Wei Xiong (2021), "Banking Crises without Panics," Quarterly
Journal of Economics, vol. 136 (February), pp. 51-113.

8 The Senior Loan Officer Opinion Survey is available on the Federal Reserve's website at
https://www.federalreserve.gov/data/sloos.htm.

A stable financial system is a necessary condition for sustainably achieving the
FOMC's monetary policy goals of maximum employment and stable prices. It is critical
that banks have enough capital to remain resilient to those stresses. The safety and
soundness of the banking sector is paramount in achieving both our monetary policy and
financial stability goals. Everyone in America depends on a safe and stable financial
system that channels credit to businesses so they can grow and hire workers, and to
households so they can deal with the ups and downs in the economy and invest in the
future. Of course, major portions of the financial sector are not subject to federal
prudential regulation. As I noted in a speech on bank capital earlier this year, we also
need to worry about how risk outside the banking sector can threaten financial stability,
as stress in broader financial markets is often transmitted to the banking system." So we
need to take a broad view of financial stability.

Perspectives from the Literature and the Policy Debate

Recent experience lines up with academic research. I see three basic findings.'°
First, when financial intermediaries, such as banks, play the important role of channeling
funds from savers to borrowers, they frequently do so through various forms of maturity
and credit transformation. This transformation results in the creation of risk on their

balance sheets. Issuing short-term, liquid liabilities (including uninsured deposits) to

° See Michael S. Barr (2023), "Holistic Capital Review," speech delivered at the Bipartisan Policy Center,
Washington, July 10, https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/barr20230710a.htm.

'0 For a recent review and synthesis of the theoretical and empirical academic literatures, see Andrea
Ajello, Nina Boyarchenko, Francois Gourio, and Andrea Tambalotti (2022), "Financial Stability
Considerations for Monetary Policy: Theoretical Mechanisms," Finance and Economics Discussion Series
2022-005 (Washington: Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, February),
https://doi.org/10.17016/FEDS.2022.005; and Nina Boyarchenko, Giovanni Favara, and Moritz Schularick
(2022), "Financial Stability Considerations for Monetary Policy: Empirical Evidence and Challenges,"
Finance and Economics Discussion Series 2022-006 (Washington: Board of Governors of the Federal
Reserve System, February), https://doi.org/10.17016/FEDS.2022.006.

fund longer-term, less liquid assets is one example of maturity transformation. These
assets, such as loans, can have a credit risk component as well. These types of activities
are key aspects of how the financial system supports the economy. But they can also lead
to a buildup of financial vulnerabilities. And, of course, banks also engage in trading
activities with their own set of exposures to market risk, a concern for regulation and
supervision.

The second conclusion of researchers is that such financial vulnerabilities can
amplify the effects of adverse shocks to the economy, as witnessed during the Global
Financial Crisis.

And third, there is some evidence that monetary policy can affect financial
vulnerabilities. I described, for example, how a low-rate environment can affect
investors' inclination to reach for yield and how a rising rate environment can expose
poor asset-liability management.

While there is some agreement among researchers about how monetary policy can
affect the accumulation of financial vulnerabilities, there is more debate about whether
monetary policy decisionmaking should be affected by concerns about financial stability.
One view is that there is often a discernable tradeoff between the objectives of monetary
policy and financial stability, and that monetary policy decisions should consider the
consequences for the stability of the financial system.'! Another view is that there should

be a strict separation of monetary policy and financial stability policy. According to this

u See, for example, Jeremy C. Stein (2014), "Incorporating Financial Stability Considerations into a
Monetary Policy Framework," speech delivered at the International Research Forum on Monetary Policy,
Washington, March 21, https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/stein20140321a.htm; and
Jeremy C. Stein (2021), "Can Policy Tame the Credit Cycle?" IMF Economic Review, vol. 69 (March), pp.
5-22.

perspective, these goals are often complementary, particularly over the longer run, and
even in cases when they do clash, the conflicts are short lived and better dealt with
through specific and separate sets of tools. For example, Ben Bernanke, Don Kohn, and
Lars Svensson, among others, have argued that the likely costs of using monetary policy
to address financial stability risks outweigh the benefits.'? My view is somewhere in the
middle of these two perspectives. Let me explain what I mean.

Monetary policy is a blunt tool, affecting every individual, investor, and business.
In contrast, financial stability threats can emerge from discrete parts of the financial
system. Correctly calibrating monetary policy to target a financial vulnerability specific
to one part of the financial system is likely not possible. Moreover, a monetary policy
response, even to a broad-based search for yield, might require an increase in rates so
large that it causes broad-based economic harm.!> In addition, if a segment of the
financial system comes under stress but does not affect broader credit conditions, easing
funding costs to the entire economy through monetary policy may not be appropriate.
Targeted supervisory and regulatory action is often more effective. If financial stress is
so large that it causes a macroeconomic downturn, then monetary policy and financial

stability policy are well aligned, and the objective function can be clearly defined as

B See, for instance, Ben S. Bernanke (2015), "Should Monetary Policy Take into Account Risks to
Financial Stability?" Brookings Institution, April 7, https://www.brookings.edu/articles/should-monetary-
policy-take-into-account-risks-to-financial-stability; Don Kohn (2016), "Monetary Policy and Financial
Stability," speech delivered at Tsinghua University, Beijing, May 21, https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-
/media/boe/files/speech/2016/monetary-policy-and-financial-stability.pdf; Lars E.O. Svensson (2017),
"Cost-Benefit Analysis of Leaning against the Wind," Journal of Monetary Economics, vol. 90 (October),
pp. 193-213.

'3 See for example, Moritz Schularick, Lucas ter Steege, and Felix Ward (2021), "Leaning against the Wind
and Crisis Risk," American Economic Review: Insights, vol. 3 (June), pp. 199-214; Lars E. O. Svensson
(2014), "Inflation Targeting and 'Leaning against the Wind,' " International Journal of Central Banking,
vol. 10 (June), pp. 103-14.

restoring economic growth. Therefore, monetary policymakers are generally best served
by focusing squarely on their macroeconomic objectives.

That said, policymakers need to be cognizant of what is happening in the financial
system and of any accumulation of financial stability risks, as these risks can be a threat
to achieving the dual mandate. As the first line of defense, where we have authority,
supervision and regulation are best positioned to address vulnerabilities in the financial
system as they emerge. If these tools are properly deployed, these actions may be
sufficient. But sometimes they won't be. Turning back to the SVB example, the bank
failed because of a textbook case of mismanagement, particularly of interest rate and
liquidity risk.!4 The result was that the firm's collapse created financial stability risks
that required emergency intervention.

Monetary policy cannot be indifferent to financial stability risks. When financial
stability events materialize, they can significantly affect both the price and quantity of
credit to the economy. At that point, financial stability problems become a monetary
policy concern, as they can adversely affect the flow of credit to households and
businesses as well as depress economic activity.

As I mentioned earlier, in its deliberations about monetary policy, the FOMC

considers how credit conditions are affecting the economy. We receive regular briefings

'4 See Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (2023), Review of the Federal Reserve's
Supervision and Regulation of Silicon Valley Bank (Washington: Board of Governors, April 28),
https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/svb-review-20230428.pdf. The Government
Accountability Office's preliminary report and the Federal Reserve's Office of Inspector General's
Material Loss Review similarly found weak risk management at SVB and inadequate supervisory responses
given the firm's deficiencies. See Government Accountability Office (2023), "Preliminary Review of
Agency Actions Related to March 2023 Bank Failures," GAO-23-106736 (Washington: GAO, April),
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-106736.pdf; and Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
(2023), "Material Loss Review of Silicon Valley Bank," Evaluation Report 2023-SR-B-013 (Washington:
Board of Governors, September 25), https://oig.federalreserve.gov/reports/board-material-loss-review-
silicon-valley-bank-sep2023.pdf.

on financial stability risks, briefings that I find hugely valuable. But we also need to be
conscious of the inherent limits in our ability to foresee how the financial system will
respond to shocks given its complexity and evolving nature. Our ability to address
financial stability risks has been greatly improved by the reforms of the Dodd-Frank Act
and enhanced bank capital and liquidity requirements. But we can expect that the
economy remains vulnerable to unanticipated shocks that affect both financial stability
and economic growth. While continuing to bolster the resilience of the financial sector
where we have authority to do so, we must also continue to monitor how emerging
financial-sector risks may threaten the broader economy.
Concluding Thoughts on Federal Reserve Liquidity Provision

I would like to wrap up my thoughts today by discussing one of the Federal
Reserve's oldest tools of both monetary policy and financial stability: the discount
window. I will again harken back to our founding and note that providing backstop
liquidity to banks is one of the original purposes of the Federal Reserve System.!°

Today, the discount window plays an important role. Currently, the primary
credit rate, which is the rate available to banks in generally sound financial condition, is
set at the top of the target range for the federal funds rate. In this way, this tool, as well

as the standing repo facility, which also has a rate currently set at the top of the target

'S See Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (2020), "Federal Reserve Actions to Support the
Flow of Credit to Households and Businesses," press release, March 15,
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/monetary20200315b.htm; Paul Warburg (1916),
"The Reserve Problem and the Future of the Federal Reserve," speech before the Convention of the
American Bankers Association, Kansas City, September 29,
https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/files/docs/historical/federal%20reserve%20history/bog_members_statements/W
arburg_19160929.pdf; Mark A. Carlson and David C. Wheelock (2015), "The Lender of Last Resort:
Lessons from the Fed's First 100 Years," in Owen F. Humpage, ed., Current Federal Reserve Policy under
the Lens of Economic History: Essays to Commemorate the Federal Reserve System's Centennial (New
York: Cambridge University Press), pp. 49-101.

range, can help keep the federal funds rate within the target range established by the
FOMC if pressures arise in short-term funding markets.!° For the discount window to
support rate control, however, banks need to be willing and prepared to use it when other
means of supporting their funding and liquidity-such as tapping the federal funds
market-are more expensive. I have been working to ensure that eligible institutions
know that supervisors expect them to be ready and willing to use the discount window.
We recently published a joint-agency message on the importance of readiness to tap
contingency funding sources, including the discount window.!"

Readiness to use the discount window is also crucial when it comes to financial
stability. When the system is hit with a shock that results in widespread stress, funding
markets are often unable to effectively distribute liquidity. In these cases, the discount
window can be particularly important both to the institutions that need liquidity and to the
Federal Reserve's efforts to stop dysfunction from spreading and restore stability, but,
again, only if banks do the work ahead of time and are ready and able to use it. As we
saw in March, many banks found that having more than one option at the ready to
monetize assets was important. Other sources of funds to banks, even the Federal Home

Loan Banks, are dependent on private-sector financial market functioning to provide

'6 Committee discussions about the design of the standing repo facility can be found in Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System (2021), "Minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee, June 15-16,
2021," press release, July 7,

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/monetary202 10707a.htm.

'7 See the "Addendum to the Interagency Policy Statement on Funding and Liquidity Risk Management:
Importance of Contingency Funding Plans," which is available on the Federal Reserve's website at
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/files/bcreg20230728a1.pdf.

liquidity to their customers. When the market isn't working, such sources of funding and
liquidity come under strain.!®

In contrast, even when banks find that other sources of funds are not available, the
discount window can provide liquidity to every eligible institution that is prepared to use
it. In this way, the discount window is an important means of supporting financial
stability.

In conclusion, monetary policy needs to be cognizant of the risks that financial
stress can lead to abrupt changes in the price and quantity of credit, and thus can cause
significant harm to the real economy. At the same time, focusing monetary policy
decisions on macroeconomic objectives and using other tools for financial stability is
likely the most prudent path. Even as we address the lessons from past financial stress,
the Federal Reserve must be vigilant about potential risks to financial stability that may
lie ahead. Financial institutions need to have an array of both public and private
contingent funding sources immediately available to weather a variety of conditions.

Thank you, and I am happy to take questions.

'8 The events of September 11, 2001, are one example; see James J. McAndrews and Simon M. Potter
(2002), "Liquidity Effects of the Events of September 11, 2001," Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
Economic Policy Review, vol. 8 (November), pp. 59-79.