The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-06-22 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

of ell Free, 5.J..1.>„ and P•iiinuiltes received by the
Clerks the l'esee in Ireland, far the Is,, three
'eats, distingui.hing the amouat of eseb, and soarers
I tom 10 liith sh►y o'er* &peed."
Os th► qiiiktion Wei put,
Mr. C. GRANT said, that thee* was a Consi&
sips now is pro :isms In [reload, for enquitioe into
she fres receitwil in C.iirts I.f Lao, mod that this
'object aron'd fall ceder their eonslderation.—lf
I bat Comsission• were not In mildew", he should
has. no objection to the solinn ; but as it was, be
suggested Nib. Noble Lord "'bother it wouldn't b.
better se Ws. tie mats., to their inrestigatloo.
Tho modem ems then pat and eartied.
Mr. BLACKBURN pressed a Petition heath,
Me►chants sod Traders .f Manchester, praying that
the Foreign Eulimmont Bill might net pass into a

Mr. PHILLIPS bore testimony to the respectebi.
lity of the Petitioners, sad reed pert of. letter from
(we believe) ono of them, stating the great lejory
•hick the measure ores likely In do to our commercial
interment, %Joh Spenioh America, and the vetiver/twos
impolicy of adoptiug it, sales. the humour of this
comity/ required it.
The Petition was read, sod ordered to lie es the
table end In be printed.
LO WT II ER mid, he held in his hand a P..
tidos from the toots ol Kendel, very aauterrowaty
and respectably 'ivied, comploiniaa of the mime
possum ohicto the proposed incense of the duty*.
foreige wool would Am ea their trade.

Mi. BROUGHAM regretted that, ereorditeg to
the roles of the Hoes*, Me Polities could not be re-
ceived.

It was not brawl/lit •p, as being api•st a lea 1•
Program thrombi .h.

• Ti. teyo►t of t►e Colloidal Cleogy Bill w•• retoiv.
.d •ttd awed to, •nd the Bill ordered to be teed •
thi►d deo tw.tno►►ow.

Mr. GOULBURN moved ihv wood mans of
the Moro Registry R•goletion Bill.
After e f►w weeds from Mr. BERNAL, whkh
wore not sodiblv,

Mr BARHAM objected to be Bill, which !redid
set cesserve would be predective of say good. The
►egistry bore csold only be a espy of site Sr.. is the
solos's+, sad world 'ford so greater sorority t►as
that ssrs•sre.

Mr. BIKCII wig boodle to the DM, nit the itiiiend
of its norkeemeerily creating a now office, mid is-
Clffsing lAe petroneee el Government.

The Bill was then read a second time, aid ordered
to he committed on Wetincoday.
Mr. LUSIIINGTON moved tit/. 11.1.1111 A reading
of the COlelliel Pa SiPhere It.heSalien BM.
Mr. BENNEI' I' swished to know what was the
object of A* &ilt

Mr. LUSIIINUTON roplied, that it was Inertly
to instills better medical attendance for paisengers
to the colonies.

The Bill was then read • second time, and ordered
to be essasesiated to-awserow, as was also the CoWei& I
ACCOO•I6 Hill.
FOREIGM 1011.13TS11.ST BILL

Lard CAS Mt RE 1611 W;;;1 of the
Day for All 1144 ae.iiiiag of this Rill.
Sir WIC SCO i T rose, nod proceeded et some
length to argaae w soppurt of ilia Rill, and to cite •
number of waters on the law of Nations in fawner
of its principle. We regret, however, that from Ilve
low toms in which nearly the whole of big ob
Insist were delivered, and tho ores inns' deprevvions
of cake which rendered some of them guile inaudible,
it was inspogribte for es to follow him through. We
enderscsiod him so say, shit it nivel., be•then mime.
cowry for him to rigger in topped of the principle—
that it was the duty r.f curtly country In observe the
meat strict neutrality between contending Powers,
with each of which it was in amity. He as mild not
say that eases 'fright net alive in which • third party
might Interpose Warier, leo belligerent nation, ; bat
then, whew they did actor, they oirtitit in he cases in
width not merely the rights of individuals, but tern
the rights nod privileges of Immunity were at st.ike.
That interposition ought also to be made iu an open
and not in • secret sod disguised manner. All the
arguments which had beesiaddured on a former even.
log, and whirls had thrown such a &ogling !wore
around b present subject, seemed to admit that
Sales had a right to interfere, and to present ilsoir
subjects from becoming belligerents in • rfutirel
which did not appertain to the national interests.—
The Right lion. Member writ Iwo some farther atri.
5•44, which vivre loially inaudible in the gsltery and
after (ranting the opini..ns of roses,' eminent writers
vin the Lots of Nations in corroboration of Ili/ OUP,
concluded In citirg his support to she Bill.

Mr. SCAItI EI f, alter pa; int some high compli.
merits to the spe.k.r win preceded him, observed,
that if it either bad bees. or cookl he made out. that
.id had been given to owe of the belligerent parties
esclusively, the arrimerte which the House Lad jest
heard would he rerfectly enanswerable; bat as no
such ease heti been yet ma 'a oat, he could wet help
observing that the Hight llonourehle Gentlemen bad
not come to the conclusion which he hid drawn,
with big assail ermines. and felicity. He had quoted
the opinion of Vetted, that it was the defy of a
;sestets! State to prevent assistance being given by As
members to either of two belligerent parties, end had
passed encomiums upon that ostler, which be (Mr.
'rerlett) did not 'sport •to have heard from loch a
quarter. Now, thoegb Ise could not quote chapter
and verse as the itight Honourable Gentleman had
done, he believed that this very writer, for whose
opinions /0 mush deference was demanded, had
sornew hese add, that this ',de, rule of neutrality
admitted of souse exception', and bad instanced, as
an eisniphl ni it, the ease of Switserignd, which,
without eny impeachment of It, neutrality, was al-
lowed to let nut its troops to any Power who elose
S., entice them. If there was any authority in this
•aceptioss, be could not see that say eircomitances
had as pit occurred in the condom/ of this country,
which midered l's neutrality matter of doubt, or
which prevented It from having the benefit of this
exception. Ti,.. question now before them was,
not whether they should give assistance to either
of de two contending potties. or whether they
should prohibit aril. subjects from doihg that by
which all their previous laws they bad been al.
lowed to do; but whether they shoed allow a
hetkerenl nation to demand of
them
to a!ter their
lens is (Ate to provide fee the secrity of its is.

I toresto- Now, he maintained that no beitigerent haul'
a right to make such • damned, and erased that, if
the present' Bill were passed into a la*, its rueslr
, wee big to pineal velveteen from entering into
(he A** of ties. who werareslied the Spanish In.
Anoint frithwet a licence (rem the Crewe, many
of wilitbr, as be was deformed, bed Sees granted to
British officers in the service sif Spits, though they
' had sot been peeled t• been in the genic, of Me
opposite party.—[llireel]e,-In be last debate which
had occurred ma ibis Tinting, Woman(' to be very
generally admitted that sense hint ree latiaglion from
ohmic' Power had gins rise to the present mestere.
The Hen. Member thee proceeded to argot, that the
Government of this country were net called upon by
any Treaty between it and Spain, et say strong and
imperious necessity, to pees so extraordinary a law,
as that which was sow proposed to the Howse. The
lien Member then look p review of the Statist, for-
biddigg the esportatlee of warlike steles. The lira
was made in the raps of Cheeks 11., and w
afterwards enforced by the 2241 of George If.. cap.
14, which, Its addition le the former prohibited arti-
cles, added saltpetre, which was not, wilder "ill"
penalties, to be 'sported without a licence granted
by she King in Council. Nnw, it was worth the
while of the House to ceeslder that this prohibition
had been relaxed to Spain, shin it had bees rigidly
enforced towards the Mollies. Ile weedend haw we
could talk of the Madam of wee neutrality, while
licences were granted in those ulcers who went*•
gaged is the melee of Spain, and &sled to these is
the service of the Independents, end while arms were
allowed to be exported ler the ports of Spell,.
sod not to the ports of South America. The Right
honourable Gentleman had thew argued, that
though ger interest might leollee us to heater Ilse
meg of the a lonises mere thee that of the inether
colony, us oeght to prefer eel honour, nod
our good faith to our lowest : he (Mr. Seuriett)
sehl so tee; mar bones, end ear geed faith ought
In be preserved free from the slightest impel.:
tiog, sod this could Daly be effected by ear 'bowleg
the INTO impartiality to the two patsies which owe
now opposed mooch ether. We, who bed bees the
first persons le cell spew flgt Americans to revels ;
we, who had I. the Proclamation of Sir names
Pietas, backed by the signature of a CatioN MI.
mister, promised them oar mistimes anipreiection if
they did revolt, 'nest not to be the first is taking
mesterei to prevent the of that revolt, especi-
ally salt was well known, that when we offered to be.
cense mediators in the dispute, our mediation was at.
I ceded to by thelndependent,end refused by theSprinish
IC a meet. We were adding. therefor*, • new Geis-
Ides tones. alrestly &aged in nee laws ; not,
indeed, by prohibiting ferrite enlistment by the
wholesale (for that be considered to he • high mis-
demeeneer Weedy ), bet by preventing our
cavalrymen from promoting their interests in a fe.
reign country. Ile mild not see any teasels why we
'hyoid he so generous es to 'unfit.* to Spain. sot
merely the • Afars of ear commercial interests, w hich
we
shoeld by wenn Ibis season, but else oar cha-
racter foe geed feltb,erblek was se Woolly implicated
in li. He then &secluded by thanking the Novae for
the indulgence which it had intended to him. and 11,1
•cqusintiog them, that in the absence of his Hon.
area Learned Flirted, whose seventeen had bees so
vigorously attacked, be had erode d to matte •
short reply to what had fallen from the Right lion.
Gentleman (Sir W. Scott).
Mr. R. GRANT.—There was, one position
• irs geld h they all agreed, and that was, that the
Treaty of 1614 ought le be maintained with tlie
most seraphim's fidelity. There was also another
to which he did net contemplate any opposition, ens,
'that was, that if we were Weaned to sepport the
' South American cause, we ought not incounistiter• I
selves with an bonnet..., eqrs votativig soutralin, bet
°DAM to start forth at on co into an 'latitude of hos-
nifty. Ile could sot help commenting riper ere oh
sensation which had fallen hew the ilunograhle and
Learned Gentleman who had just sat florin
Ile bad said, that In prelent British markets
from seppling oh. Stash Amerierns sins •rmr, am- I
i
munition. and warlike {Wes, was a matter of pier.-
genre, but that to carry the prObibition farther, a '
§pgitialjto meager* tea. necessary ; end be b.d ful-
towed
up that argument by rontelarling that the treaty
between this country and Soon looked only to the
' piohibitiona • l-ich could be effected by prerogative.
Now be (Mr. Grew) thought the fair constrectioe
' in this cote, founded hash on the law of nations sad
an the municipal law of the country, was, that Spain
;bad • right to require that we should not golly abstain
from assisting her colonies with arms and amientri-
lion, but that we should not supply thous with what
they stinted more, sod what was mere valuable le
them, namely, British soldiers. In refenrce to lie
argument which bit Hon. and Learned Friend (Sir'
James hiscielesh) had in a former Mute en title
'abject founded en the precedent of Gustave. Adol-
phe, having bees assisted by 6000 Swell troops us.
der the Marquis of Hamilton, the Hon. Member coo-
tended that that levy was made ender the esectine
and with the concurrence of Charles I. sad there-
fore could not be considered as a precedent is favour
of the proposition it was intended to establish.—
Ile abound hive expected his Hon. and Learned
Friend, in citing the opinion of the celebrated
Bytikershoeck; le have said that that slither, in the
commencement of his Treatise, stated the subject to
be involved le great difficulty; het thefeet was, tint'
Byekersheeck confessed. that in the Stale in which
he lived it was contrary to the laws to levy troops
for the service of • foreign Pnwer.—(llear
doctrine was, that is some States of Europe the
subject could net transfer his allegiance, and that in
sock Stens. troops geoid not be levied for foreign
service; but that in *thy, States, where the law al-
lowed the subject to he released from his allegiance,
such levies might he mash.. Now, this doctrine
went directly to prom that its this country, where
the silvgisare of the s,hject could not be abrogated,
it was contrary to law to enlist troop' for foreign
service; and yet this was the sunoriiv reigned to
in Amon of an apposite emstlesian! The ikon.,
Member neat examine l the opinion of Vattel and of
Wolff., and enutentled, that on their authority also
he was justified in holding that the negative of the
proposition maintained on the other side of thei
mew was true. If. naught, however, that the
opinion of these jeeista concerted with the linens-ea
all As drifted S;:tr4 of Europe, that wutie 11!..

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a r*kelt .ten to
b era..
th dew) to mist Gustavo. Mo.
pais. that that rranwielion
had easel y ib. Kin/. There coiltl
be co doobt that It we. a violation of oniiitreliti ;
sod if the E•nittwrior of Germany 1.4 tint been opines,-
ed by the Suede, he probably eroald have colled
amities I la servant for trading Sae of Eli se' jecta
with as stale to assist Geste vas. Another Cite bad
been referred to, in which this tensity reiticird the
applicatiou of the Spooith Gotersement, which revolt.
rd as to peeped troop. from raised be this coon.
try for the assistance of the Duch. If, booster,
Hon. Gentlemen 'mold tyke as mach tremble as be
had token in looking ioto.thie correepondencie old*
passed on that ocessind. between Lord Sells/bury sod
the Speoislo Goverment, obey world Ind that wo
were pledged by a secret article with the Ditch tat
permit obese levies. On the *hole, Ito conceived that
the anthill', of all Jades. and of all precedents use
in f of his view of the question. As to the dial
deceit,. which some attempted to drew bet•etto the
Is. of the land and the law of ustrwae, lie thought
there was as doctrine of law more evident thee IN
principle whkh Lord Maaldjeld had delivered from
the mouths of the limiest authorities, these of Halt'
land Herds irk., and which be bad sanctioned loy the
Ino lees sothority of his out name, that the leo of
nations was pert of the law of lb. land. If, then, it
wee allowable to legislate repeating oar (orgies rola.
linos at all, be could sot see why it should sat he
eqoally allowable to legislate as to an agreement into
which we had metered tolontarily, sod ors that was
binding es as slobs* hatiosicheen volestarily catered
isto. Either IlesTreaty with Spain might to be set aside
altogether, or obsetted strictly, and that not with to
referee°. to the...Asir:A winditig of the Instrument,
bat toils real spirit sod loteation. Trait it nes that
is the evading of Spain vs bad bed mooch to complaim
of. Forty years, indeed, had *lapsed slats hoe
perfidy lo relation to the NSW Weenie bad become
known to this coostry, asd hive it use that romp
was In our payer. It was for the Hamm, by the tots.
of to.oight, to, decide whether that revenge should
be *paltry retaiiatioa of injuries, or a poem's oh.
Stipa and as isosollied (silk worthy as groothoplie
and 44 etolisibWeleSi age.

Mr. SCARLIETT and Mr. R. GRANT amtmilly
explained.
Lord NUGENT coatended, that the Roalsomblar
Gestleassis who spoke last had mot leeched the walla
strength of tM argument •f she opponents of the
measure. The Treaty of 1814 could only bind the
Cr... of this realm according to the laws of the
land at the time whew that trimly was signed; and
Spain kw", or ought to have known, that is E.g.
land a power unknown to despotic Slates existed of
!initiate eves the prerogatives of the King, or at
least of confining them within oho Wends of the law.
It ought wiser to be (written, that Ow met, arms
employed in mccoutplisidog the work of tyranny in
Now Spain had bees poetised from British usawafeco
tortes; and two years ego, in dpsio, he (Lord Ni.
rat) had semi a brigade oboist to embark for blenicas,
every mats of which was forstislied arias • musket whet
the Tower nook t the digest with *Melt his Lord.
ship beheld the crews out initials of his Severely§
silos those instreatoots of the most fool and Moody
tyranny could mot be described. Much bad biama
said above mootrality sad the aecossby of liremeitiog
the balance; bet hoe hod that bolos(' bowl pre.
snood ? Was it by eroding 36 ships free she Thom*
to transport arms, stoops, and 51. r“, to the Roy..
slims? Was it by Milo/ out ships of oar is
protect en the roast of Necks, the conveyance
of the precise metals of Spoils ? if the doctrines
of wo.tality were applicable at oft, they sera
applicable at all times, and to all conotries. Ile
routd not help examinlog 1110 claims which Spits
hod upon us for this earlwit• preference. 110 mould.
not go are, the iodigubies we hod safeted from bet
since 11110.--the thanitssl.( e for her debit...nee
from beanies, and she dsdmtliun . f the most ibis
awl honeorshis Ildemsh..rs of she Corte.: axes oho
had beim nisei) alai st t• oho rank of 61111.)111 Iw
the coats of their country, who h..' been inositeatast
by a tyrant, whole hatred ass the b.-1 tribute to
their airing. Ile would 'neelt?, shortly. kw"
she had preserved her c•tmatercial
It was known that litany had been governed
for ages by its orm fiscal vegetations. Militia
gimbal'', had bees established and protected them
for nearly 400 yews; but, for the mimes, of
aiming a deadly blow at oho wads of this cosie-
st), Ferdinand had eve. violated the constitoibmi of
his ono province, sod lie centimeter wan glees to the
Philippi.. company, a baukinpt es•ablishiseet.—•
What respect had Spain paid to the Treaty for tint
abolition of the Stare Trade north of the Line? For
a Base she might he bound to her vegagenierds by a
mere llif) charity ' • het the seriment that lift WRI
mooed, she would again commence her career of
faithless cupidity. Ti. N.ible Laid 011.01.011041.111*
the moist state of oar commercial relatinos.
obsrrt-
ed; that as a sample of the export trade, it wield
• only be orcessery for him to refer to the Mersa
which an 800. Frieed of his had lately brat/Walls.
foie the Reese, by which It oppoarerl, that the ex-
ports to one of these provinces, to &WOOS Min
alone, were above 300 per cent. mare lbws those so
Portugal and Spain allog•ther. If the Bill io.oight
vela to pass into a law, the effect and couseq•ence
of it mould be fatal to out commerce, awl dnireco
tire to our character, unless people should leers
what was the distinction beta/ern • British 14. led
the spirit of the Faiths:. People. lie hoped, how-
titer, that eve. in South America, she
won't' he VII between a Biiiish law, sod the spirit of
the Ilriti.h People.—(Dear!]
Mr. I Ii (of Cimbritlgo) had listewd to hie
Ilan. Frieo.! oho spoke lost milli ray groat @Join-
oinn i •55 atlrairatinio, indeed, slot accompsaird with
much surprise or wonder. hrtelece he (Mr. Smyth)
was preciously sell acquainted a its hi. elegant talents.
—(1/ear, hear, bear ! )—lf, boomer, he ilia. dif-
fered ait.h him, it ow betides. it appeared to hiss
that this was as little collect for any grounds
of Iteetrality, is it was ho.tile to the ancient policy
of this country. Ile •pproliended the object was to
give to Spain an auxiliary force to carry on -her sp•
rations against her colonies ; boo because such might
be the object. was Parliament hound to carry it isle
eseesitiort ? Re ohj•cted .• this Bill, firstly, because
it was aatiecrasi.y ; sccuudly, because it was wpm.