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not, Thep, if well advised, have gladly given them up ?
It was said, however, that these casual revenues were
strinctinie.s applied to the discharge of debts incurred
by members of the Royal Family; but whateVer feel-
ing there might be in Parliament with respect to such
debts, and however it might in some instances appear
illiberal, and in others to have an air of justice, it was
his opinion that it was better to prevent the incurring
of those debts, by remising the inducement. When
revenues were uncertain, sometimes trifling, at others
enormous, it was the nature of man to calculate on
the highest amount, and to trust to his good fortunes
for the most ample provision of a fluctuating income.
The Noble Earl (Liverpool) had truly stated that those
Droits hail on former arrangements been left with the
Crcwn. That could nut prevent him, however, from
objecting to a settlement which allowed those casual
revenues to be confounded awl mixed up with the err-
tain revenues of the Civil List. Pe looked upon that
defici,ticy in former arrangement.: as an omission
which ought to be repaired. When a Loge Civil List
Establishment was voted, the additional income of the
l.roits rendered it excessive ; for when the sum voted
was amply sufficient for the expenses of the Crown,
every shilling beyond that was in excess. The basis
of the Civil List was calculation; but here was an
enormous additional revenue which bat& el ealculation.
It was, besides, contrary to the whole spirit of the
Coustitution, and that alone was a powerful ground of
objection. The spirit of the Constitution was jea-
lousy, especially in pecuniary matters. The harmony
of the entire State resulted (ruin the bolAurol oppo-
sition of conflicting powers. 'I he Crown lad the pre-
rogative of going to war, and Parliament had the
power of refusing the subsidies. But what was the
effect of the revenue aritiug from the Drui's ": Why, it
contradicted the first priori, Ir oft he natiot:%l •. zisteuee,
and Corded the Supreme Magistrate the means and
inducement of going to war, not as an hoi.ourable
man, but in the character of a pirate., anal thereby ex-
'll/tell tare tiAion to dishonour and the must dreadful
calamities. He did nut object to the discretionary ap-
plicant-n*of a sum un the statement of the Nellie Earl,
as allowances far captors, and affording iti‘o :hr mean,
of p.unipt restitutiou to 'mistrals; nor dill he .leer that
the trenrral payments from the casual funds lia.i been
made with propriety, but be felt it his du:y to state
thus to separate the practice and the principle.
A Itlititig Is abuse had sot been committed, the postibi-
lity of it shottlel be F.:ven:ed.
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-The question tif 4; then put, and the Loris
ELLOK declared that the sense of the flow t. was
against the amendment. A division was Is wever
called for, and strangers were ordered to withdraw•—

Contents 18 proxici 3 T tat - - YI
Nut:-contents S 7 rrosirs 44 Twat - - 41
Majority in favour of Ilini-ters -
On our re-atiniksion, we found Lord ELLaNnunot um
storing an amendment, which was rejected withuut a
dir!sion.

Lord Lirrnrort. then moved a verbal amendment,
which was agree.' to.

lir Bill WA% then read a third tittle, and

EXTESSION or FOREIGN TILIDE.---The Aar-
yds of LAssnowN moved fur ■ variety of documents
relative to the exic!ing prohibitions and duties on the
importation of foreign merchandise, and un certain ex-
purt,, which were i.rilered.
On the motion of the Noble Marquis, turd tails-
bon,uv,ll and Lord Ili•auehainp were to the Se-
lect Commit tee, altet thr:l the 1110111.0

1101 t'. OF CONINIONS. TIFIDIV. MAI 30.

Committees were Lahotted (or to try the Incrilq of
petitions on the Elections for Bishop's Castle, lialw•ar,
and
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Mr. Martin, of tialway, and ‘creral other Members,
took the oaths and their accts.

On the !ion fur the first reading of the Essex
Quarter `'essiini, aili, which is a Hill fur holding►
Sessions at Colchester,

Alr. Wss•re.aN 011,05441 the Bill, as a measure likely
to be pralurtive ut it mat inconvenience to the con,ity.
31r. 11.11.1,m IN it was the wish of a vrry large
number of respectable ,Magistrates that the Bill should
be brought in.

Mr. HARVEY was in favour of the Bill.
Admiral II ‘Li cv supported the Bill, which was
r•uti a and ,i•coitil tinge.

Mr. Bnot•cu.►v brought up a Bill to authori7e the
removal of slaves from the Island of Antigua. which
was read a first time.

Mr. linot-smasi gave notice, that, on Thursday fort-
night, he should submit to the House a proposition
relative to the education of youth. Before that time
he had every reason to expert that the papers on the
subject would be ready to be laid before the House.
He understood that an lion. Member for Westminster,
whose noire of a rm•tion sf urd fur that slay, would
postpone it to a foture day, which would afford him
(Mr. Brougham) an opportunity of bringing forward
the subject in question on Thursday fortnight.• Mr.
BroOiani also said, that he should take that oppor-
tunity to' postkoning a motion, of which he had given
flotic:! for the following day, relative to tar
Jury Courts. rt, 4 on to Tuesday, the
20th of next month. He wished to fix on that distant
day, in order that it might not be put off a second 111
tm . Ife war sorry to find an idea had gone
abroad, that in mating this latter motion It was in-
tended to be levelled at sonic of the Members of the
Uovernment. Ile assured tIL• House it was no such
tiring. lie had net er mentioned the names of any per-
sons, nor even alluded to them. •
PARLIAMENTARY REFORM.—Mr. Sheriff
Bothwell appeared at the Bar, and presented a peti-
dim front the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Counnuns
of the City of London, in Common Council assembled,
praying fur a Pallianarittary Reform.—Ordered to be
printed. ".
The Sheriffs were again called in, and presented
another petition from the City against the Grand June-
don Canal Bill.
AFRICAN COMPANY—Mr. lhansronn pre-
sented a petition frost the Company of Merchants
trading to the Coast of Africa, praying fur pecuniary aid.
Mr. tionuoN said, he hoped that, hefure the 'House
took any step towards a compliance with the prayer of
this petition, that the tiovernment would feel it to be
its duty twice the subject the most serious ronsidtr-
ation Tire petitioners wanted no less a suns than
2:,,t101E. out of the public money and it woutil be tit
to determine Low far they were waded to It. ne

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factories on the toast of Africa, with which these
petitioners were cohnected, had for a long time been
managed by persons who were in no respect under the
matron! of Government; they were, at the same time,
exercising an authority in Africa, which was partly
commercial and partly Sovereign; and they conferred
no benefit whatever on that country.
The CHANCRILOII of the EICIIINCER said. that the
presenting of this petition had been delayed for some
time, because he wished to know what was the most
proper course to be pursued respecting the petitioners.
He should now inform the House that it was the inten-
tion of liovernment to lay before Parliament the neces-
sity of taking the sovereignty of all the ports an.l sta-
tions along the African coast, and taking away the
powers of sovereignty which the Company now nossess-
ed. It was, however, thoufht proper to afford relief
to the Company, in consideration of the sums they
had expended in works and other improvements on the
coast.

Mr. tionnoN replied, that what had just been stated
by the Right Ilunourable Gentleman was perfectly sa-
tisfactory to him.

The petition watt then ordered to lie on the table.
PRIVILEtiF OF THF. HOUSE.—A Ilesaze from
the Lords announced, that their Lordships had agreed
to the Civil List Hill, with certain amen.lonsitt, t i a hieh
they desired the concurrence of the House. he
amendment was an alteration of a Mill of motry, by
substitutinK another stint instead of it. As soon as the
ainendtnent was read, it excited some censation among
the afetabers.

The SPE•Kau observed, that it was natural to sup-
pose such an amendment as this would, at the first
mention of it, produce the effect just experienced. But
it was fit that he should state the nature of the amend-
ment: it was merely the correction by tl.e Lords of a
clerical mistake. %%lien the Bill went away from that
House, the several sunis enumerated in the Bill were
cast u!, wrong, and the Lords did no more than correct
that emir by casting them up right. lie should there-
fore submit, that it was nut any infringement on the
privileges of the House.
Lord Mt wroN observed. that although tLiiwaronly
the coirection of a cler:cal error, the House ought to
he exceedingly jealous of any art that t.ure the slight-
est setoLlance of All encroachment on its privileges.
The House ought not to allow of any amendment bt ing
wade in a lloney Bill. lie had no objection to this
particular amendment, but it •'u_lit nut to be suffered
as a matter of course.

Lurd CasmENE %GU said, the emie was so clear and
intelligible, that no precedent injurious to the privi-
leges of the House Colll.l be drawn from it, partienlarh
so, if an entry of the (Act were wade in the Journals.
Lord MILTON explained.

Tae Sri:Akan the practice was, in cases of this
kind. to make an entry of the circumstance in the
Journals.

An order to that effect was made accordingly.
Mr. Ni:o MAN presented a petition from the inhabi-
tants of Exeter against the 51arket Kill; and a peti-
tion frotu the Dean and Chapter of the Cathedral of
Exeter, for the preservation •if their rights in the ma-
nor of St. Sidwell; which were referred to the Com-
mittee on the Exeter Market Hill.

AURICULTURA I. DISTRESS ES.—Mr. TenTrt.

presented five petitions from Sussex Lord BINS mu one
from Scotland ; and Mr. IVKSTERN another from Es-
sex, complaining of agricultural distress.
The petitions were then brtnght up, read, and or-
dered to lie on the table.

The following petitions were then presented from
various agricultural bodies, complaining of distresr,
and praying an investigation into their case :—Otte
by Mr. Strutt, front Ala!del; titre, petitions from the
county of Carnarvott ; our by Mr. Gooch, from a town
in Suffolk, complaining of the distress of the neigh-
bouring fanners; one by Lord Francis Osborne, from
the rectory of Toddington, isle of Ely ; four by Mr.
Treinavne, from Cornwall ; one from Gloucester, by
Lord Edward Somerset; one by Sir James Suttie,
front the county of Haddington ; one by Sir T. Leth-
bridge, from Somerset ; one from Sussex, by Mr. W.
Burrell; one from Britlgenorth, by Mr. Whitmore;
one by Mr. Rubinson, from an individual named Wm.
Andrews, who prayed for a repeal of all laws affecting
the importation of corn; one by Mr. liuskisst,n, from'
Chichi toter ; one by Mr. D. Uilbert, from Bodmin ;
three by Lord H. Cnvendish, from the county of
Derby ; one front the inhabitants of Wolverhaurp•on,
praying that the House would take into its considera-
tion the state.of trade; and another petition complain-
ing
of the pressure of the poor rates, and expressing
a hope that the House would not inerease the restric-
tions on the importation of foreign corn ; two from
occupiers of land in Wilts, complaining of distress;
one by Mr. Wynn, from Aluntgomeryshire ; one by
Sir Charles Burrell, from the agriculturists of Steyn-
ing, possessing between IS and 19,000 acres of lend ;
and another from Horsham, from persons holding
20,11(10 acres of land, to the same effect ; one was pre-
sented by Mr. Coke, from Orimpshaw, county of Nor-
folk; one by Mr. Dawkins, from !lettings, to the same
c!rcet. 'i.l..cte petitions were severally laid un the
table.
Lord Mtvrox said, be held in his hand a petition
front the parish of Kirkheaton, Yo:kshire. The pa-
rish consisted of between 7 and .e,OOO persons, oat of
which 239 families, making 1729 individuals, were
compelled to subsist, since the beginning of the year,
un an average of eleven-pence three-farthings weekly.
He would ask those who had been comer& in exhibit-
ing the distressed state of the agricultural bodies, if
any thing could be more conclusive than this state-
ment, of the great distress of the manufacturing
classes.—{Hear !)—Had they thought that their dis-
tress was temporary. they would have borne it patiently,
but persuaded that it was of a contrary character, they
came to the House to seek relief.—Ordered to lie on
the table.
Mr. Hume presented a petition from tialaehiele, Sol-
, kirkshire, complaining of their distresses, and praying
' relief front the House.—Ordered to lie on the tab*
' 11r. WILDMAN presented a petition treat the Nib.
1 facturers, trade's, and inhabitants of Colcheellft
' stating, that the distresses which they experienced.
: aruie out of the distiessei of the agricultural body...-.
i Laid on the table.
Mr. PITT presentell &petition from laud in
Ithe county of Weirartiet complainiug 4
Laid on the table. '