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eras the the factrThey had repriced informatioe from
alwistplief the QUM Whig bum godly of smells s &-
gni of miscondeet as required a mime teviatigatiee i,,
and were they thee to be aceemete acting illegally, in-.
reuse they had resolved open an taquiry tato the charges
P. 4„ .against her 3—(Lottiolseers.l--He was ready to cosine.
' A- ,that he for one woad ou have advised the missies of
her Majesty's sass iiiitthe Liturgy while she castles-
. el Primus of Web% bit the case was entirely attend'
4- l'hyt ea Woms 411•110- As to the religious serapies
' which odAkke aseweei •on this subject, he could on-
- I)! soy, that tUe involved no religious consider-
stiesgesid whatever, as no was prayed for under the
general terse of the "BoPal Family. Under all these
eireuinstances. and lei the reasons be had given. be
should certainly votuagainst the motion of the Noble
Lord, area sapped the amtredmeat.
Mr. WISTRERIgLL explained.
Sir J. MACSINTOSH then rose. and after a few
c'eliesinary obwreations, said, that the late Order in
es it wu a violation of all the.recognised principles
f • Briti C
sh oestitatioo.
the Hen. and - (
Learned Member for
ter the able and
iflnc arguments of
Ottfard, be felt that to attempt enforcing them by any
thing which be could offer. would be presumptuous in
the extreme. The Hon. and Learned °enigmas then
contineuted on weevil charges of inconsistency which
were brought against some of bis Hon. Friends who
had preceded bias in the debate. He seat animadverted
on tlte,silence of tbe Attoreey-General upon the
question for the last eight mouths. It was the
duty of hottest advisers to speak the truth to the Mo-
narch, however amplumast the troth might be in his
ear. Hon. °endows, en his side of the Hotta were
charged with having bad recourse to Parliamentary
tactics in bringing forward this question never was
there a charge IRON itnfeneded. The Right Honorable
(fent. on the other side, and those with whom he acted,
bad sot spots record a single argument which west to
refute the serious charge against them, involved in the
motion of his Noble Friend.—(Lod Cheers.)--That
otion wu in fact, an impeachment of Ministers.—
Continued Cheers). As to the case of Phillip and
+try, quoted by the Hon. and Learned Attorney Gene-
ral. it was to him (Sir James MachiLtosh) most sur-
prising how he weld ban cited it. Phillip and Mary
Isere Papists, and as such, not considered as at the head
of the church. What, then. was the Hon. and Learned
Attorney General top) to the Popish Ritual for prece-
dents to support his arguments ?—(Loud cheering).
His Honourable Friend, the member for Westminster,
had very aptly illustrated this point tbsus with respect to
the wife of George I. who was styled- Duchess of Zell,
all that could be said wu, that she inherited that title
front her father, who was Minot Zell, acid her assuin-
ii.g it after she was separated from her hosband, peered
th,tt she was held to be divorced. to all intents and per-
peses. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman then
proceeded to examine in detail all the various statutes
enacted, in reference to the question, and denied the
correctness of the interpretation given to them by the
Attorney General. He contended that the high autho-
rity. of Lord Clarendon and Sir Matthew Hate, was
against the Honourable and,Learned Gentleman. He
feared he trespassed too long on the douse.—(Hear,
hear,)—hut he felt that this was a question not concern-
ing one Queen alone, but whether all the future Queens
of England were to 1:e the slaves of every future admi-
nistration, (Hear, hear,) or whether they were to enjoy
that independence which the constitution traceried them
to have.—(Hear, Lear!) The Hoe. cad Learned Gent.
then proceeded to contend. that the exclesiou of Prince
Ororge of Denmark from the Liturgy was so precedent
in support of the exclusion of her present Majesty, be-
ediie the 25th section of the act of uniformity did nut
contemplate the Consort of Queen regnant. George
was the booliewid of Anne, end. he did not come under
the other part of the description, namely, " the royal
progeny." Bat the Princess Sophia's name was in-
serted. as she was one of " the royal progeny"—a per-
eon towards whom Anne had no friendly feelings.
When he first heard of this measnre, be supposed that
Ministers were at least secure as to the legality of what
they did. But he was now fully convinced of the imbe-
cility of their case. Much was said of holding the scales
of justice with an even hand, before the trial of her Ma-
jesty And yet, before that trial, bv the omission of her
cassea

The SPEAKER Wei,.
Hee. Noweitiono -literted
Monarchy to any Member he
deld)! is the extreme ; but he I
be thonght would be the effect
Mr. SCARLETT contended, power
tended for wee la she Kink, it was also in his power to
alter the whole of the hisorgy. Bet .*n had be the
power, it was contrary to all principled of justice to
ozonise it and degrade the Quests, who was then about
to be put upon ber trial.
Lord CASTLEREAOH thee res. to oppose the mo-
tion amidst cries from every part of the House. Tbej
Noble Lord west on to argue, that in this question the
Hon. Gentlemen ppposite had lost sight entirely of the',
Omen, • and were only. occupied with their plans of ag-
graadising tbeessehres, and getting into power. AI
great deal had been saidtf the illegality of dm opote
suns takes byooverament, but.that was now gone
then was was no doubt bet that the King in Coeneil had •1
discretionarypower with regard to the inserties of thel
Queen's name in the Liturgy. The present motion was bet
a trick to catch votes. By framing a prop:idea which
did sot directly censure. Ministers, bat was col-
laterally directed against them, the framers of this
motion expected to have some Members with them.
who they knew to be decidedly ho,tile to them on
the general views of the case. But after all, what
would be the effect of the motion ? would it succeed
is
restoring her Majesty's name to the Liturgy. which
was the precise object ? Certainly not. tie Aid isist
think his friends near him treated the question. id
framed and so indirect, in an unbecoming' Mg. bis.
moving an immediate adjournment of the Hosefinpleir
it. Much bad been said of the Queen's logal right'
to have her name in the Liturgy. To him it did not
appear to come within the definition of "a right."
He had never read in any writer that it had been
treated as such. Blackstone, though very particular
in describing the rights of the Queen Consort, said
not a word of her right to be prayed for. it was
clearly a metier entirely within the King's discretion.
And if her Majesty bad a legal right to it. why were
her law advisers silent so long. He should again say,
that with regard to the law of the case, there alas no-
thing at all in the wording of the clause in the Act of
Uniformity, which limited the discretion of the King
in Council; indeed, by the very geniusof the law, the
King seemed to be looked upon as the person the most
qualified to settle all matters relating to the Royal
Family, and it never could be the policy of the Legis-
lature to look with suspicion upon that care so en-
trusted to the Sovereign. For, would it escape the
observation of the House. that the education and mar-
riages of all the branches of the Royal Family were
entirely under the King's controul ; and it would be a
most dangerous principle indeed, if Parliament were
to interfere with him in an affair, which was clearly
connected with the internal management of his do-
mestic household. And, really, when (leatlemen
talked of the hardship which the Queen suffered in the
late trials to which her Majesty bad been put, he could
not help. reminding theme( the way in which she was
treated in 1806, when Lord Erskine was one of her
judges. It had been the boast of Lord Erskine, that he
would have no sort of trial but that by jury ' • apd yet,
in what way were the proceedings in '!1116 conducted—
upon a principle of the most inquisitorial secrecy, un-
known to, and without the privity of the defendant, and
&lodgment. as it was in fact, pronounced upon her by
her father and her Si= n before she had any notice
at it, bat what she from commmais rap*. Let
them cease thus taunting the servants of the Crown with•
putting her Majesty to an input or oppressive trial, or
bringing her conduct to issue on proofs which they knew
to be incapable of sustaining. a charge. For who that
looked into the proceedings in the other House, that
would venture to sae, that Ilmi.e did not find her Ma-
jesty guilty of what had been charged to her. And if
ause Minister., from the great delay of bringing the
question before the House of Commons, had consented
to give it up, was it not clear, from the Protests of the
trammel. • thought the charges made
• Lordship then declared
over again, he should,
act precisely in a similar
, was now, thank tiod,
)r, from the opposition
.et party which had bi-
would soon expire if pee-
n firtu tone of determine-
e existing government in
iracter or at once to cede-
ministers. If any resole-
. the other side, containing
trusted that it would appear
manly shape. Ministers
their trial, and he (Lord
''sat if there were a chance
sted by no influence of
Ald rest their claim to poi.
tuition they bad acquired
war and a subsequent
they had never lost an
titans to promote the in-
ire.—(Hear, bear.)

should have taken on part
tpressions in the speech of
of which was calculated to
Is in the country, and seem-
?lace the Royal Partial is
tnterminable opposition. For
stigmas spas her Majesty and
• which the Alisiimors hid
Fie had sot only isfringed
forms of debate, and with
Penner of a paragraph
entered into a laboured
Lords, to whose proceedings
reference only was allowed.—
would allow him be could
• for the Quota bad been
many of that majority
patronage, their bowers, and
the Bill : be could pro,*
not in the slightest degree
who was to be the rictusi
who was the unavowed
his household, aad state
. ranks, and his power
who waited, for the highest
bestow, as those who accepted
• mold miler upon their ad-
Itself sa array that mien
issiment? Was last this as
. ever before bees stapleyiml
patrols( to mil asonavie

isle irewl, sad a sheet cow
hint. Yr. Bettagbeet.
•11111111 tut which the bat
Nat the lima at lask
ha • so abet
JO drawl
ilia boss
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ifiggittrillis sad*
it was yea
mom. • est se low
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beau,
and ...nor , °Out of . - speech
the Noble ~..pith a charity peculiarly his own. as-
dertook to Ofsnd the Queen from tbe Noble Lord
who istraticed this medals sad the rest of her
friends. He had maintaiami that her Majesty was is.
graded before her trial—degraded by the cwlliffidelt
of her advocates. Tlo House wold
u haw Imer WI
'make allowance for the delicacies and dilliimlties
with which he (Mr. Brougham). in the Isaias°s re-1
leered to, bad had to contend ; he was at that time as'
powerless to resent as to resist imputation ; and the
Noble Lord with an ingenuity in which few would be
proud to be his rival, well knew how to heap together a
few adjectives and sonading epithets. sad thus to cos-
pound • sentence difficultof comprebeesks, bat as far
as it was intelligible calculated to fill the ear sad to de-
lade the mind. It was not for him (Mr. &eaglets')
that then 10 that his Royal Mistress was degraded : she
was sir brisk of as investigation where innocence
ems us ty, where perjury aid bribery were uni•ed
is
assmc
one object, where the leag arm of power,
sad the purse of Ministers joined their influence
Kee hallos ands and hearts, ready to crouch under the
and greedily to snatch at the other.—(Hear.)—
Fm such a trial—from such a threatened persecution
....the most guiltless might shrink without for a moment
Ilsourri the imputation of crime. Her Majesty had
previous 'modeller ill-fated voyage: contrary to Me
sad Mr. hithread's earnest represestati IM boa
left this country, and for six years was all bat I
Now nothing was talked of on the other side, kid bar
increasing and inconvenient popularity. Why was she
popular? And why were the hearts of all claises in-
terested in her behalf? Because she was oppressed anti'
persecuted ; and if Ministers wished to sink her iis
comparative oblivion, they had nothing to do butte oh
stain from that persecution.—(LetW Cheers.)—Tbo
people had witnessed a woman and a Queen asaltreatetk
insulted, trampled upon : they bad seen injuries indicted
where injuries were possible ; and insults where injuries
were powerless. They felt for her, because they loved
the monarchy sad the persons of their rulers with what
an historian had called with somewhat of a sneer u a
childish admiration of royalty." For this the people of
Eugland had covered their Quesa with the shield of
protection, and bad covered themselves—he would
boldly say it—with immortal renown, as lovers
of justice and detesters of tyranny.—(Cheers.)—After ad-
verting to the Noble Lord Castlereagh had taken of
Mr. Hroughaes proceeded to observe upon the re-
al{.hashing with whisk Miaisters, not long rune, ha/
tremolos, Oppose_ lace the same of the Queen. In
taped ea Dal Bred to see strange changes. He
had beard not only the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite
(Mr. Vassittsrt) pronounce the title as legibly and as
frequently as sums of money to be voted out of the pock-
ets of the people ; but even the Noble Lord had been
prevailed apes to treat her Majesty with the respect
which became " an old colonies of die Queen's and the
Queen's old courtier."—(Hear.)—What was still mere
astonishing was, that in another place where her Ma-
jesty bad so recently been upon her trial, he had heard
eves the Sirrereign -himself protionnee thename of Queen.
It had bees said, that the present motion had been
brought forward for the purpose of catching a single
Ablermas Moygate. But his Noble Friead must have
been the most expert of anglers to have succeeded—free
of all the speeches he had ever heard, be did not recol-
lect whoa mirJa large admsesioos had been sesde, bet
then in the following sentences there were so umaryinsa-
lineations aid drawbacks, one paragraph was so eels-
- *---1----"'A lair Saelheto that he verily believed, if
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etc* eostraatod, it mold aurora; to a complete Ogre:
—(Lapghter.)—He hoped the Noble Lord would at
once perform that, of which be had his own pledge as
as well as that of a Noble Lord on the other side; nay
more, be bad the voice of public opinion, the voice of
reason, the principles of the British Constitution, which
declared that every individual who bad not been con-
victed should be placed in preeisly the same situation as
they were before the commencement of the prosecution.
That be demanded for the Queen ; sad until that was
restored, to the very letter, he avoid not desist, or his
Friends around him—the Queen could not, nor would
tranquillity be restored to the country without that
concession.
Mr. Alderman HEYOATE rose to address the House.
He remarked, that he should reprove that the Learned
Gentleusan had by experience bees taught, that Alder-
men were not easily controlled.—(A laugh.) Ile knew
not whether the Hon. and Learned Oemtleman was at a
loss to reply to the arguments be, had silvans& He
trusted that the House would, by their roes of thae night
slew that they would not countenance husk offered to
the King, either by the first and seseillestrioes subject,
or by the meanest; no sednetion of subjests, or endeavours
to gain the assistance of the sohliers. fib hoped not-
withstanding, that a liberal provision would be waits by
Parliament, and that her Majesty mightcontiatte to en-
joy it in peace. dignity and honour.
Lord A. HAMILTON replied, but from the confusion
prevailing through the House, it was impossible to catch
one of his sentences.
The Hone then divided on Mr Robinson's Amend-
ment for Adjournment.
For the Amendment - - 310
Against it - - - • - 209
Majority for the Adjournment
The House then Adjoursed at a quarter before seven
o'clock in the morning till Wednesday noel.

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in twenty thousand pulpits that she was an adnltress.
out" " tahienirthe. '
(Ilear.)—He was convinced that upon this subject thereagainst Queen. 'His Lc
r is 44
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kii jetty. And yet, before gnat Mill UV ant ..”.......... _
name from the Litnrgy, they causes it to be proclaimed top fflve it Up, Was 'I "1""", ""
wag, in fact and In truth, no division of opinion in this lye* that they thong
that, if the qiiestion had to come
House.—(Hear, bear !)—No man could lay his hand on with the experience of the Past. ac
• ifs heart and say that he did not deplore this as a most
unforatuate measure, though many, most inconsistently, ,
as he thought, still went on to support an administration °
which had committed rich an error.—(Hear. hear.)— II
The opinions of the public were decided, and most ar-
dent against this most unhappy measure. The feeling manner. The country. he said,
coining to its senses—(hear, bear
theme
ithe efforts of that
ierto distractey the country wou
liamcnt maintained its present fir
lion.
.It ought to support the es
undiminished honour mid chaste
til lof the people alone was sufficient to call on the Throne
arainst guish the present cabinet as min
fur the abandonment of all hostile proceedings
the Queen. They felt that she was degraded fore 6 ion were brought forward on the
charges of accusation, he trusted
trial—prosecuted without sufficient cause, and entire in a distinct, tangible, and ma
coined to be punished without cooviction.—The Honor-
able and Learned Gentleman sat down amid loud would then be fairly put upon the
Castlereagh) pledged himself the
"hoer*.
Ili The SOLICITOR GENERAL dill not think that of its success, it should be resist,
the crown, whose servants would
the revival of this question was calculated to allay the
tic confidence on the reputatic
discoatents which were said to exist in the couotry.—
an arduous and glorious
i, I (Hear, hear.)—He referred to the negotiation which .dwillff
interval of peace, during which t
took place, and contended, that at that time, her Ma.
i I
1 ,;; jelly's advisers assented to negotiate for an equivalent
tor the omission of her Majesty's name from the Li- opportunity by their best exertio
terests and welfare of the empire
%orgy. Some new lights. he supposed, had broken in Mr. BROUGII.III said he sho
.‘ , upon Gentlemen, since there was a time. and that not in this debate, but for some ?spry
. very remote, when this omission was considered as a the Noble Lord, the whole of o
y: 1 "trifle as liglit'as air." He then proceeded to. argue, that give new life to the agitations in
, according to the act of uniformity, and to established ed to have for its object to place
y veer. it was competent to the Crown to change the this painful discussion in intermi
,' l owes in the Liturgy by its mere will and bat. He the sake of ramie% sew stigmas
-1' • sesistaitat4 that the Queen had so more right to com- fixing upon her the charges wh
.
plata of tilt baring her same inserted in the Liturgy. abandoned is their evidence, he
tbso don yule body of the G. !loyal Progeny," bad of all bounds of decorum, but all fo
, act being prayed for sousinsfins. With respect to the the artful sedulousness of the 1
isms of the Duke of Cumberland, it appeared that his for a party newspaper had ea
imme west:eluded by the King sod Council—and here analysis of the votes in the Lord
t"..
loss another illltallbee of the exorcise of discretion upon is ordinary cases a bare referees
4'
ifs i %.. s subject by the King sad Council. He contended (Hear, hoar.)—If the House wou
1 , times was no diver's hotarcess Queen Caroline and show in what way the majority I
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George; she was snidely Queen of England and composed: he could sbew bow
. . . her same was excluded by the same authority. It otheir places, their patrols
was his opisims, therefore, that the King is Council had their revalues to the patrons of i
.mite power to exolarle her Majesty's same from the that while the minority could no
Liturgy s sad the only question, therefore, was—was he isiloesced by the party whi
, this power protrosexercised in that particular instase. ? the Illsatrioss Personage Ws
IA was for the to consider, by recurring to the prosseutnr, was represented by 1
eaters et the charge. and the evidence by which It was oilers, mid d eta of all
-P ( , supported, ksowi ag that a Commission has been employ- Mewled as weer et thews swiss
ii .. , ad to look out for evidence, sad had transmitted the gni• rewards a Ilossrok midi hum
deuce to this country ; sad kosswing, as he did, thehigh even the lowest berms they co:
character and bosom of the men who composed that hermits. Woe set this of itself
Cummissiso--kaowiso all this, he begged to ask hint strike toner Juts the meet Ina
, . could it be ex that, r a matter a imam, thew Whew* greater (has had eve'
losing a* rigr tet, 4:sier name woold be inserted is the apes say individuals presses
Llama t Fremir=lodgase:to of the Hon. sad Learned I
I imanass, lb• ?—(Cootioned elarnre.)
part of the rsh. IL:SPEAKER here lour
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.posell, sad stated. that bad the lea to kit, , isioetiens_t.....sit•bigiksome mei mtfie
e.l the motive of hostility to Hie MN AM ; M•tere.lisillr -pre-Weil *fie-
abet., he woitid beet bees disor- partiality, and midi tie*easioftiglbst belonged to week-
hut he had nay desetibed what sees, kept is the-bade ood, irdely bet ladystrieusly
Ise effect of a partitalar motion entrapptag asd aseariag seam tipsy left three or fear of
stirnded, that if the pewit con- hie (Sr. Brosighem's) Noble Fries& te bear the benat
ig, it was also in his power to sod odium of the debate. le the (Meet of Ms speech
• -- u......i.,, had be the the Noble Lord. with • charity peculiarly his owe, is-
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