The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-11-03 00:00:00

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owes' yesterday won be read with concern, but
toot surprise. •The Lotto CIIANCELLOR, sse find,
44 toes, and called his Gov to witness the pain be
Otis sliseharging what he termed his duty, that is,
otiossuing to justify the measure which he had
,sly sanctioned. lion is said to be o present
of trouble; and it is remarkable that we
,or hear the Learned Lord call upon his name,
„rept when bis Lordship seems in trouble, front
1,04 s cause that appears unpopular, or pro-
: spoof se opinion not readily received.

THE QUEEN.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—Tnts Monvims.

Iv now aset at 10 o'clock, pursuant to adjourn-
..t, glen prayers were read and the Peers called

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Loa OROSYNNOR then rose and said, that having
awied to the evidence, having attended to the ar-
moots of Counsel on both sides, having attended
u arguments advanced by the Noble Lords who
,Pate yesterday, having attended to the whole circuit.-
sltbe ease. he declared, before (101 l and his
NNW, Mat is he mind, judging from the evidence
aigh keen adduced at their Lordships bar, the
chips sat the Queen were not substantiated. In
duty to his honor and his conscience, as
ee *ivy at that great slay, when all must ap-
Peal wegifiee an accoutit of their own works, he felt
tivwsnapilayitag atm-content to th e meas nre before
thaw* He had to claim a great portion of their
lardshigrilealevuee, while he stated the grounds of
his islerithistion. On one side he had heard the most
eves arguments, to which, be had heard the most
elopiest replies; and yesterday the most able and
thiseer speech of the Noble and Learned Lord on
• Woolsark. and also the most able and power-
ful address trout his Noble and Learned Friend
(hard Erskine,) whose illness every one of their
Lordships mast regret. Ity that illness, her Majesty
hid lost a roost powerful advocate. Ile (Lord (i.)
tiould most humbly, and he feared feebly, endeavour
to advocate that view of the question upon which he
was addressing their Lordships. lie was almost alarmed
at stating his sentiments, because he felt how feebly
soul inadequately be should do justice to the cause.
He exult/ venture to call their attention to one or two
•
ruts (If that speech deli% rred from the Woolsack
which had so powerful an influence upon some of their
Larteskips' minds. In it they had been told to hold the
hskorshirly. It would have been well if they had always
acted open that principle ; and most particularly those
Neilelierds opposite, who prejudged thi I qnestion,

by advising the omission of her Majesty's name from
tSe Litargy.—(Hear, hear.) He had never heard
that suisare approved by any man ; but on the con-
trary, it was en act which had been universally con-
tinua, Before th.dr Lordships thought of passing
it was well worthy their consideration, W he -
t her it was likely to pass the other House. lie per-
ftvtly agreed that generally speaking, soil a eon-
siiteneiem-sre* -tessesumeeke•--,64.-einsiv • iseuisibripes oat
Waisted to lessee them in the eyes of the coun-
try, and to derogate from the dignity of the House.
list in ibis case, they should consider that
the subject had already been hef ire the other
huge, and there, this very measure had been
declared to be •• derogatory to the dignity of the'
Crown, acid injurious to the best interests of the
euentry." A ttreen Bag bad been presented thrire-.-the
duplicate of this; but it had not been so ransacked
and maintop& The House of Collusions had not
suly refused to examine hs contents, but they had
absolutely shoved it off OM, table, The Noble and
Learned Lord had stated, what never should be fur-
gotten, that if the slightest doubt remained upon
their Loriship's minds, that doubt should be
Ist the heiletit of the accused. It was quite
lamessible the Hill could pass that House in its
pram shape. That wes a concession the Noble
Lent who brought forward the measnre was ready to
rake. He had already said that the Divorce Clans*
woeld be abandoned, and he besought their Lord-
ships' intention to the state, in which the King,-
the Queen, and the Country would be placed. The
Queen was not charged with murder, nor with treason,
hat with adultery. And still, the Divorce Clause,
although according to the opinions of some Noble
lards, the ',fluttery had been proved, still the Divorce
Haase was to he hawked our, and then it would be
well to ren.a7k the extraordinary situation of the
Queen. She was to remain in the country, and yet
was not to be Queen: she was td be the wife of the
but nut of the country.—(.l laugh.)—Tlsis
was the must incomprehensible, the most doable en-
Nide* state, he had ever known an individual placed
ie--(3lnch langliing.)—Hts Noble Friends who sup-
ported that measure, although he slid not seem to
agree to the latent of credit that was due to Demnnt,
Bassein, or Id ajocchi, still they seemed in perfect unison
es to the degree of discredit that had been thrown on the
entire case by their evidence. Awl he was certainly of
opinion that ink evidence of Bastelli, Demon: and
were thrown out of the ease, little would
rnaain for their Lordships to decide. Throw out their
lidence, anti he would maintain that no single act had
been prayed from whence they could legally draw an
iaference of guilt. But the Noble and Learned Lord
at the table. (we presume the Chancellor,) although he
was willing. to abandon that part of the case, still be in-
sisted that there was ground for suspicion, and great in-
decency had been proved. But might them not be sus-
picion en one side as well as the other? And when their
Lordships had such undisputed evidence of the gross
conduct that had been remised on the occasion, might
they not reasonably expect that the whole story that had
beta told about Carlsruhe might be a fabrication t He
would ask, might not some of the Grimmer those persons '
who had figured in that transaction, might they not, for
the sake of degrading tie Queen, for the sake of de-
-I,treYing the homier, and even the life of her Majesty,
have thrown that cloak ou the bed, and thus laid the
fonsdation for their infamous story;—(Hear, hear.)—
Their leordships were ansisaintad with the story of
Othello. And might there set be at the present day, As
well as than, some ham lege, to steal the handkerchief
from the (bees, nod poison the ear of her httsband

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(L audios.' continuedcheers.)—Suipieion should operate
lit
one side, if it were 'liberal on the other.—
(Cheers.) The Noble Lord theri entered into the ar-
guments that had been used on the ether side. Much
had barn said about all the relatives of Reread
being brought about the Princess. These he tlsonkht
were abstract considerations. Much hail been
said of all the honors, awl titles, and emoluments
that had bona conferred on him ; but their Lord-
ships had before them the must incontestible proofs
that these honors were the soli rewards of his merit.
And there was one circumstance in particular that he
wished theirLordshipe never to lose sight of, that after
liergansi had been elevated to this situation. there
was not the slightest proof that he lessened, in any de- ,
gree, his respect for the Princess or any one else its the I,
household. That was an important fart. For how far I
different would his conduct hare been, if the Queen had
conducted herself towards hint as was represented? In
looking at the testimony of Dumont, it was not a little
remarkable that, although her sole object appeared to
he the destruction of her generous and illustrious mis-
tress, she had never spoken to a single art of personal
indecency On tile part of, her Majesty. Whenever the
examination of that witness pointed towards acts of inde-
cency, the case always stopped short. After some humo-
rous remarks upon Sacchi,ltastelli and 3lajocchi, the latter
of whom the Noble Earl termed the Chaneellor of
Cotton Gersten, he proceeded to observe upon Cuehi,
the witness of Trieste, and ridiculed the miserable
attempt to criminate the Queen on the evidence of
such a man as he was. The Noble Earl said he was
ready to admit that it was not altogether becom-
ing to mix up levity with the consideration of so
grave and important • subject ; but the present
extraordinary case cause before the House in so
many points of view, that it was scarcely pos-
sible to refrain from looking at them all. The
Noble Earl was now for a considerable time inaudible
below the liar, but on our beginning to rehear Moo,
he was touching upon the extraordinary remuneration
which was paid to the foreign witnesses, and espe,iollv
to the master and mate of the polacre. After com-
menting on the evidence of these permits. the Noble
Earl said he was not inclined to accuse them of per-
jury, and he was therefore willing to believe they must
have been under some misapprehension Isis!, respect
to the familiarities which they said had come under their
own observation on board the polacre. When persons
bad one-, lo:Ined es-en an unfounded suspicion, every;
subsequent act appeared to them as a continuation et,
that suspicion. This applied particularly to every
awspicion respecting the sexes. He knew a pm son who
bad formed a most unjust suspicion of his wife. She
was on some occasion afterwards locked up in a room
fix some time, and her husband ou entering the roam
awing two chairs together, felt his jealousy increased
tun-fold, and rendered himself unhappy, although than,
! was no other cirenrostauce for which be had meg
ground to form a suspicion. But this was the nature
'of the human mind. Passion invariably got the better
of reason, and their Lordships clothd not be too muds
on their guard in listening to the 'siderite of Hs.
who laboased Andes a -precoseeived.
Referring to the conduct of the Government towards
' her Majesty previous to the present trial, his Leeds
ship remarked upon the omission of her Majesty's
same in the Liturgy. With reference to that circum-
Natter, reports had gone abroad, and, although he was
as little disposed as any man to attach any weight to
reports, he would mention, that it had been industriously
circulated, that this omission was the personal act of the
King, and that when the Archbishop of Canterbury
waited upon his Majesty with the Liturgy, properly at- I
I tired, the King had himself insisted on the obliteration
lof her Majesty's name. Whether this was the fart he
knew not ; but this he knew, that if be were the Archbi-
shop ofCaaterbory, and the King on such an occasion were ;
to insist upon such an obliteration, be (Lord 0.) would
throw the Liturgy into the King's face, and trample up- I
on the vals of dirty office, 'ere he would lend himself.
ler consent to a violation of all law, all decency, and all
humanity. Respecting a subject upon which so much
bad been said, be meant the opening speech of,
the Attorney-tleneral, and the unanswered proof, as
compared with the opening,. he (Lord G.) conceived,
that no blame could, in fairness, be attached to the
Learned Attorney, for he had attended their Dar, in
obedience to their Lordships order, and bad made his
opening from the instructions in his brief. Ile was
not aware, that he had any other observations to make
upon the evidence. He conjured their Lordships to
pause before they adopted a m . , which would
disgust the sound part of the country, and afford the
unsound an opportunity of which they would err-
Vainly stall themselves. The rejection of this Bill
would afford satisfaction to the liberal part of Europe,
and would be a disappointment only to petty despots.
and their slaves. In judging of this question, he
trusted their Lordships would divest themselves of all
prejudices and partialities; for they offered up their
prayers every morning to the Almighty, that he would
assist them to do so. The Noble Earl concluded, by
expressing his free determination to oppose the second
reading of the Bilk
The Earl of HAREWOOD said, that it was not his
tent/on, neither did he feel himself competent to go
through the evidence. He felt himself iu the double i
situation of Judge and Legislator, and he therefore
Was under some difficulty in cossidering the present
question. He.would very shortly state the general
impression on his mind, ar'sing out of the whole evi-
dence. Much be thought bad bees fully contradicted,
much-remained upon very loose ground, and the re-
mainder he was sorry to say be considerd as standing
on much firmer graced, and that bad left a strong sits-
picion on his mind. He conceived it his duty to rou-
nder the nature of the evidence, and although he did
not carry the prejudice so strong against foreigners
as to say they ought not to he bekesed upon oath, a
prejudice anworthy a civilised country, yet be thought
a strong case bad been made out of the getting up.
testimony, not Improperly, but in a way whiclii
induced fair and reasosabli doubts of ,
genstineuess. He had strong doubts epos several{
parts of the evidence; but be wished that vs ebb
whole be mold express binseelf es-well satisfied of gill
Queen's innocence as he wail of.the present imam*
He regretted it bid been brought into that Hein*

THE STAtESMAN

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ail, aml more ws, that it had been brought in its pre-
sent shape.•—{Hear, hear.) At the s4nse time, he was
convinced, that whatever might be the present feeling
of the country, he was Satisfied their manly character
and their good sense would prevent their falling into
intemperance. He had witnessed that manly character
and that good sense on many orations, and he hoped
hi should not outlive it. But, on the other hand, it

would be prudent not to excite irritation, and those
who proposed the present m would do well to con-
sider, that among Englishmen oppression was not the
medium of conciliation. (Hear, hear, hear.) We un-
derstood the Noble Earl to conclude by saying he should
oppose the Bill.

The Earl of DONOUGHNORE condemned the course
of argument adopted by his Noble Friend. (Earl 8r05.,-
nor.) as calculated to foment and increase the public irri-
tation,anil lead the people to think that they were the gm
verners and not the Parlianient. No man had a deeper
respect than he for thin wire, and he would say, phi-
losophic nation. But this was not a time to sacrifice
the diesnity of Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) Having
paid that respect which was due to the Noble Earl's
speech, he would now go into a consideration of *hi.;
great and important case. In coming to a determi-
nation upon it, he certainly should not call to his aid
the evidence of Demont, hiajocchi, Sacchi, Cuehi, or of
Barbara Kress. The Noble Earl then proceeded to esta-
bllehe case against her ataiesty,upon the ground of fami-
liarities and the sleeping under the tent; reading over
long passages of the evidence, and commenting upon
them. The Noble Lord then referred their Lordships to
that part of the evidence niters Paturro was desired to go
away by the Captain, because the Princess nes going in
the lied with Bergami. From these circumstances it
must appear that that place had been selected for the
pnrpose of carrying on the adulterous intercourse.
But were facts of this kind proved only by
witnesses that were produced in support of
the Bill ? Had Lieutenant flown im proved nothing ?
He swore distinctly that Bergaiiii ;oolitic Princes% slept
tinder the tent. Anil although this fact is in itself of
the utmost importanc., still more important did it be-
come from the manner in which it was told. Their
Lordships must have observed the reltietame with
which it was dragged from him, which demonstrates
clearly the value he himself had attached to lie fact.
Ha rould. not therefore doubt that adultery had
been committed, and also that a long series of an
adulterous intercourse had been carried on. He
did not know how any man reading the evidence could
doubt the fact. He could not avoid espreesing his
opinion that language had b; en used at the liar of that
House highly improper. Their Lordships had been
told that the public had pronounced its verdict. Her
had a great respect for public opinion. Tim,
people of England were a reasonable people. and ho
concurred with the Noble Lord in the gallery. that
they would submit to whatever decision the House
wake. There was indeed a pat t of the public who
had decided before the case had been heard. The
first moment the Queen landed in ibis country.
addsosaisis had boom wading to her, but U was non
Gat fart of the public he respected. Belt their
Lordships had also been told by the Counsel it the
Bar, that if they pronounced a decision contrary to his
client, that it would he the lost decision they might ever
pronounce.—(Hear, hear.) This was an argument so
ridiculous, that it could he hardly addressed to reasona-
ble men. That House had always supported the highest
character, and he made bold to say, that no man
within the Bar, or withont the Bar, should say they
woald nut continue so. Hr hoped. nay, he felt con-
fident that the House would pronounce its decision
fearlessly, and that whatever opinion they.pronounced,
would be founded in justice.
Earl (AEI said be was anxious to hear the opinion
of those who were likely to have influence upon the
House, befog he proceeded to offer his *Mom on the pre,
question. He would first say, witl.out meaning any in-
sent civility to his noblefriends, that topics hail been Ise
trod uced by them which it would hare been better to leave
Untouched. If Counsel in the course of their addresses at
their Lordships Bar, had made use of language which
trespassed on the duty they owed to their king and their
country, or upon the respect they owed that tiouse.their
Lordships ought not to have sat a single moment to hear
such language, and comment therefore upon itat the pre-
sent moment was neither useful nor proper. (Hear, hear.)
But although he thought his Noble Friends had
unintentionally tuisrepreorited this matter, it was not
his duty to arraign or defend the Counsel in this
cause, fur he hail a fat different ditty to pert .rm, and
be therefore should not follow the example of Lit
Learned Friends. There was a point in the speech
of the Noble Earl who hail last spoken, whirls
considerably surprised hint. That Noble Earl
said, the Noble and Learned Lord on the Wool-
sack had disappointed him in not having entered
Into a comprehensive view of the evidence fur
their information and instruction. The Noble Earl
ought to know that that Learned Lurd was rot the
presiding judge on this occasion. He was merely • a
Peer among Peers, and a juror among jurors. That
Learned Lord sat in that Howe to state
his own opinion and to defend it if neces-
sary, lost he had no presiding jurisdiction. Ibis
much be had thought it necessary to presume in de-
fence of the Learned Lord on the Woolsack. •

(To be continued in a Second Edition.)

Addresses to the Queen are positing in from every
part of England and Scotland. Alderman 'Weed hhs
received a considerable number since Monday las.--
one from the East Kent mititia.sissembled at • Canter-
bury, signed by almost all the privates.
Yesterday Count Munster had ea audience of his
, Majesty at his palace in Pall•mall.
Hairnet of a Getter from the Arnie to Lloyd% at
Clem*, dated list of Octobrr By a recent fester
I frogs *weenies tee learn, dist the Algerloomete At.'
tin` out a Beet of eleven sail, and it was generally
supposed fot the purpose of emitting agailst the
Hans and Portuguese."
The inhabitants of the United torishoe of St.
oilo4-004 Piettautbory are to bees a imador otelsoes.,
day pelt, to toosider of in Address to her 31ajesty.