The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-02-26 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN:

Col. ELLISON was in Weer of the great.
Colonel FRF.EMANTLE reminded that the pre-
soot grant was one which ought to be entertained by
the Noose. 11. took a review of the Windsor
Ettehlishosont, as it was origiaally, and is now pro-
posed ; by which he said there would he a saving of
90,0001. to the Public ; therefore the proposed grant
655 no now berths, oh the People. He was per-

seeded, if the duties of Hsi Castor, sod the purpose
of thls grant were laid before the Public, t here was not
an individeal, who would out most cordially agree to
It, es an act of justice, as well as respect to our tese-
rabli Wag.
Mr. TIER:ril EY defended the course which be bad
takes, and observed, he must take • review of the
progress of this measure. A Bill had bees passed
giving the office of Curios to the Duke of York with-
set salary. A soennsuoiration bad also bees made
by the Dyke to the House, through the Noble Lord,
is which hilt Royal Highness asked for no salary ;
bet only desired that if the !loose should vote hies
any additional allowance, they would not do it from the
Privy Parse, since his private feelings would net al-
low him to accept such • grant. Here then was no
desire entreated on the part of his Royal Highness
for any additional allowance; yet the Noble Lord
sow came down, and desired the House to grant to
his Royal Highness the enormous sem of 10,0001.—
He should perhaps, be told, indeed it bad been re-
peatedly said, in the course of this discussion, that
this was net • question of pounds, shillings, and
peace. He, however, could consider it in no other
way ; and however he might be blamed for we-
aseling to do an, he meet contend that previous to
the House making this grant they had a right to
ask to what plume the money was to be applied.
The sum of 10001. was all be could figure as necessary
for post-horses to and from Windsor. lithe Duke of
York wanted 10,0001. a-year, speak oat, and do not
let the House degrade itself in voting that sem at the
bare desire of any Miaister. The Noble Lord had said,
the Duke of York would have many acts of believe.
lence to perform ; but be (Mr. T.) could not see that
he would have any more each eels to perform. The
King bed been left without a Cugos from the
mouth of November; this was celled a high pub.
tie office ; but that he denied. The last Curios
was the Queer; and would say mac say that the
Queer Consort of England could be a public
or responsible Officer 2 In fact, that the Curios
might not he responsible, he was furnished with •
Council. He defied any man to say that this was
an office of labour ; or that there was now any more
to do in it than there was n'ne months ego. Was it
not, the., moossroes to mak 10,0001. for doing no.
thin? The Connell received no salary, nor the
trustees of his Majesty's property ; and the only one
about the King, who was to receives salary, was his
Majesty's favourite son. It was said the bike of
York would hive, by this, great additional trouble.
The Dube had already a very troublesome office;
and which was he to neglect, his duty at the Horse
Guatds, or his defy at IVitscisor ? Ile was sorry to
think that the Royal Doke had been so ill advised.
He should be very ready to vote the Royal Doke
that which would bear him harmless in asy real es.
ponces be might Ulcer In his new office.
Mr. CANNING said, this question ea& to be
looked to with reference to the reductioos proposed
Ile be made Is the Windsor Establishment. The
Government wound have been pleased if it meld have
saved the House from the details on this subject ;
but if they bad done so, what would have been the
cry ? Why, that Government ought to hare laid
the whole of the points of *apnea before the House.
Whatever other coarse Government bad adopted, it
would have been found to be the wrong wee.--
The reduced establishment, he 'retold not say had
bees grating to the feelings of Ministers, bet they
had proposed it as a dotty they owed to the
present state of the country. Their business was not
to pull down and destroy, bet to strip what might
be sanecesstry ; still to fence the Royal Invalid,
keeping iu remembrance that be was our Sovereign.
If they sorrowed the Windsor Establishment so much
that the ether branches of the Legislators would not
agree in it, they would save nothing, as the Establish-
ment must then remain as already settled by law. Mi-
nisters were not ignorant that they bad reduced the
Windsor Establishment so far as to make many good
minds is the country think they had diminished it too
mach. From the 110,0001. voted for this Establish.
went eight years ego the present proposition, de-
ducted 50,0001. leaving 60,0001.; out of which
20,0001. was necessary for the ordinary repairs of
Windsor Castle. The whole question was, whether
this redeced allowsece was in comparison with what
every mss thought sofficient for the Sovereige. He
could consider the Casio. in no other light time as a'
responsible Officer. The Right Hen. Grittiness had
thought he had carried the argument ad absardaap,
as far as he could, when he asked if a Qtwww-Cets.
sort could be responsible; but a Queen of Bev
land has bees Retest, though he was sot lawyer'
'sough to say whether that would or not confer re.
sponsibility. It was impossible to tell, by icy esi.
mate, the elect Gamest which sight to be given to
the Gracie, sioce the expects could sot be foresees;
bet be would hays to relieve those who looked for-
ward to some reward for long services. His only
reason for supporting the Grant of 10,0001. to the
Castor was, because that was the sem which the last
Patlisment had grouted to the Queer when she held
the office of Curios. The coals* pursued had beets
adopted, in order to show that the Duke of York
would oot neglect the duties of anyone of hie offices
for those of the other. It was the wish of the Doke of
York to accept the office without any compensation
or remuneration whatever ; leavisig it to Parliament
to say, whether it thnoght him worthy of the al-
lowest. made to the goyim, under similar circus-
latenee.. It appeared that the Condos was worth
10.013./1. if paid oat of one Noel, hot not if paid oat
of
the other, namely, out of the Privy Poise, end
not out of the purse of the Peptic. Ile I:outmoded,
that by the way in which the Privy Purse bad beets
(dealt with by successive Acts of Parliament it was
rendered the private property of the Kisg. A rat-
tier degree of delicacy was due, in teaching the pri-
vate property of a Kist, like George 111. who bad
given op certain and valuable hereditary remorse for
a Civil Lint, which at no time equalled those revenues
which he gave op voluntarily to the good of his Pee-
ple. It was nothing to hies that the King was blind
awl could not ye it ; der' sad could not bees P.—

Them were reasons why his property should not be
invaded with a rude band. Ile could not forget what
he had bees, oar what be was. Remold not forget
how much ►is public aod private virtues mod eaaw•
ple bad tended to the safety of his People, though
ociw struck by Heston, and though blasted, yet
consecrated by the blow. His merely asked the
ems protection for his Majesty's property as they
'ild give to that of any private iudiridual iu the
kingdom.
Mr. PEEL repotted the arguments he bad end In
the ditcesaion on theses* subject on Monday.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he should trouble the
House with only a very few observations. The Right
Hos. Centimes who bed jest sat down bad takes
greet, sod ha feared successful pains, to divert the
monition of the Ileum from the rent nature of the
question, by answering speeches that bed been wade
on a former evade& by moans of the healthful iwa•
eery with which be bad the talent of surrounding
every subject. The question of economy vies ■ot,
es had been said, respecting two equerries, bat as
regarding a whole establishment ; for In cooseqtreece
of the unequivocal sense of the Committee, the whole
of the establishment of the late Queen had bees re-
duced, and a saving effected of from 7 to 80001. a
rat. The 10,0001. proposed to be given to the
ClLiioll had tallest to the Public, by the death of the
Queen, and beams completely unappropriated. The
reel question was, to .bat gayeties world t►e Duke
of York be put by enderiskin the office of Guar.
dian of the Royal Person: Ile could hese wished to
hare avoided the necessity of such details ; but that
necessity had been imposed by Ministers. Upon the
necessity of the Royal Duke being eapesed to soy
additional espeoce, be would appeal to the House
and the coontry..--(Heer I)—The expiate could sot
possibly alsoost to a tenth part of the sum proposed.
Neitber was any responsibility attached to the
as the Castot was to act by the advice of a Ceescil.
It had been said, that the rank of the person was to
be looked to ; but the Let itself spoke only of the
espence to be incurred. Ile should vole egoista the
motion.
Mr. CANNING and Mr. DENMAN ezplaisted.
The House then divided—
tim Reouhisimi 34i—Aisisist it 137—Majority 110.
Adjourned at 11alf.pest One o'Clock.