The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-16 00:00:00

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sow—
you give kiln a certificate of his good combat ?
And expression of yoor approbation ?—''es. .
Then it is almost unnecessary for me to ask if there
ir„ any put of his conduct which tailed for put dis-
approbation ?--He was a very good man indeed while
eseunanded.
Theo there was nothing irregular either in his row.
.diej or in the manner of his discharge?--I beg to
ossider that as two question!. To the first I can say
that no Imo ever behaved better than Carrington, but
11,,,5c0011, I must observe, that there was an irre-
is'or;ty in the mode of his getting discharged. It is
I.stfOr 1 should state, that the fault of that teregula-
tin. ussetitirely mine, and not Carrington's or Sir Wm.
Viscount Stsirsu.r.—Are we to understand that

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1E44 revifdt to hie vatting site se flee ?--What he laid
before and alter was the sem.
Lied CoLvtu-s--Do yen knew ivy feet sr (iron-
steamed your ewe knowledge that Carrington knew Peer
he was rated?-Seery man in the ship I knew low
he was rated to the best of my knowledge and ref.
There were MIA men is the ship, and it is iniposeible
that I eau know whether every man knew his rating.
Lord Coneeastaita.—Do you know whether Car-
lene ever messed with the midshipman ?—He never
Led Wincnet.set.—Was the pay you afterwards pro-
*id he Carrington, the pay of a quarter-muter or a
elidildponan ?-1- believe both. The Midshiptosn's pay,
a port of it was only that of a few days, because he was
&sharked into another ship for a few days. However
the shies book could best tell.
According to the practice of the nary service, is not
A rated _: • •

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h alammramo_Tes, evneerary. loes -_- according to the service he does ?-oe-
conegton was sever regularly
Ili' speaking.
rn are. St ' The Doke of CLARINCE.—Was not Carrington per-
Re Went did duty as a midshipman l• I—Neem. -
Do yes recollect Inv convertialloo Ps .ref lulli with Not that I know of. He was a great favourite of the
/sans*, as to his beteg brought forward as as Wiest? : first lieutenant, being a good man ; and the first heats-
_es, I do not. 1 nant was lothe to lose him.
Do too recollect his complaining that he did not like Where was the Poic.tiers employed during the time he
the kes and wishing to have his discharge on that ac- • cases° board ?—First, at the blockade of Brest, and then
essay?-lle never complained exactly. I will tell your in the North Seas.
Lorilstips. Did Carrington come on board with a draft of men,
y,,. had better ambler. or when the ship was first commissioned
Mr. liaocoutu submitted that the witness should be olleet, with a draft of men. al I
permitted to proceed.—(Hear, hear.) During the time that Carrington was on board the
Sir John Beresford procpaded.—Wisra Sit Wm. OA 1 Poictiers, was. _that ship in a course of payment ?-1 can.
IA f,&Garriagtowes discharge! 1 sent for him and I not say positively. I think it was.
aPP ' '
rrierton I hope you do not wish to leave That will be easily seenby theship's books?—()f
1 ivf why
the strew,. He answered that he was pressed into it ? coarse.
dil net the it, and wished for his discharge. The Duke of Ccsamice then said thst he wished the ship's
lord tansianewt.-•-Was any engagement entered books of the Poieti. ers to. be produced. They could sery
inio with Wm. Carringsea when he mime on board your nosily be obtained.
shit ?---No; he was marked ea board the Poictiers. The Lord Crasicet.Loa suggested that copies of those
parts of the ship
goofier-coaster, that's books, which related to the time specified,
Wu any engag he should afterwards be raised to ,eat entered into when he was toads
should be taken by some person sworn to their correctness.
Ike rusk of a midshipman ?—Not to my knowledge. Mr. BROUGHAM reminded the House that after all this
NJ it come to your kouwledge, is commander of the trouble, even if they proved that Carrington was not
shop, that any saris engagement Ras entered into by therated as a midshipman, it would be no contradiction of
his evidence, because he only said that he did not Wear
lotting l'aptato
Mr. Baocuuus said, he had no objection to the answer whether lie was so rated or not.
to this minden; bat be met beg leave to observe that I At the motion of some Noble Lord, the question ink
it would not be evidence. then put and carried, that the order for the attendance i
aloe Loa* Ciisseceu.on pat the folowing questions of Sir J. Beresford at the Bar of that House should be
ito order to elicit in a legal form the information sought dim.barged•
by the gnestion uf Ler,' Lauderdale. MT. BROUGHAM here rose and said, that althoorh
ma Wm. Carrington leave the service in 181 1 ?—He their Lordships on a former occalion had not allowed
diJ. questions to be put to a witness respecting Riganti, who
11441 he not been midshipman nearly twelve months had not been a witness,hut whom they would prove to hare
before be left the crevice ?—No ; not to my knowledge. i been an agent of Vilma...aril and the Milan Commission.
Do rot know if be received midshipman s pay before' vetalley should not wave their right of so doing hereafter.
he 1,6 the wrei... ?...,_The skip-honks will tell that ; hot He also contended that they must know who was the pro-'
for sty part I should say no. cnting party in this cause. In the difficult situation in
Tic Doke of CLaanuce addressed the House and said which her Majesty now stood. it was impossible to pro.
he thought the last question and answer ought to be reed with any prospect of obtaining substantial justice,
struck eat, as they were both improper ones. I unless this knowledge of who the prosecutor was, could
The
The Lean Cnsxcestoa hoped the question he had pat
to as not improper, if be had thought so be would not have 1 aLORD CHANCELLOR said, that it was impossible,
;it it. The answer, however, " that the books could after a witness had been examined in chief, that the
best tell: was such se rendered it necessary that neither I proceedings could be stopped until that witness bad in-
quessies sot answer should be allowed to remain in the ' dergone a cross-examination.
minutes as evidence. The books of conese must be the 1 Lord CALTHORPL said, that be would take the
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only legitimate source from whence this information ' portunit) of stating his surprise that the Noble
co:ik my be taken. • at the head of his Majesty's tiovernment had so Wig
Lord LAVDMIDALIL—Do you remember desiring Car-' hesitated to avow who the prosecuting party really was.
rineroo urges down to the Thisbe and ask for his passes? For his own Part, it had appeared to hum, that if the 1
State had instituted these providing., as it hel been
I do not remember; it was ten years since, but I got ,
Katie& opus the book, of is. neoho, to seller that ho I constantly represented so to have done., the Maim sa
kilkiosk receive his pay. If therefore probable that it ! the head of the Stale, must be the prose •ntor. liehad
cas so. although 1 „owe charge my memory with it. I expected that an earlier communication to this effect
At what tune was no plowed on the hooks of alio would have been made by his Noble Friend, whose can.
Thisbe ?---Ho was discharged from the Poietiers, and doer and honourable conduct had drawn down even the
sent into the Thisbe, in osier to get hie pay is June or applause of his political enemies. The Noble Lord drew
July ISt I ; boll am au sere. a distinction between the Minister of the Crown, as the
fou certainly Offer gave Cavviwrea hope that he head of the state, and the minister of the King as an indi-
should be made Midshipman, whilst be was Quarter- virtual. If he was wrong, he hoped that some Noble Lord
master ?—Not while I was in the ship. better acquainted with the Constitutional and Porliamen-
Did he eves s'oee to you Hist be found great difficulty I tart'. Law would set him right ; and he thought that no
in dressing and malatainiag himself as a MidshiPman 7 parties in this case lied so little causeto complain, as the
--No; if had, I should hare advanced him 1-nollev. Learned Counsel for the Queen ; for they bad the ad-
to be paid me again, as I Isere dons to others. ' vantage of representing the prosecutor in this case, as an
31r. liacreowast bee* interposed, and observed, that I horrible and indescribable being, and also, of throwing
according to the evidence of Cartineton in the on the opposite aisle all the odium that must naturally be
present minute*, weigh their Lordships had in excited against a Secret l'ommission.
their hands, it appeared that be only stated that Lord laveeroot. said. he felt himself called on to
he understood himself to be toted as mid- give some explanation as to what bad been said. He
Airman, and that he understood that it was intended felt no difficulty in stating precisely how the matter
that he should be made a midshipman. stood. It might be difficult to define the difference as
Lord larteroot then proposed to put the following far as related to a judicial and a legislative proceeding.
Tontine :—Lould Win. Carriugton ever have linderstoosl But he appealed to their Lordships', whether there was
that he was a tuidehipsuae previous to his leaving the any thing of a mysterious nature slant the proceeding.
shn. On the 7th of June, according to the directions of his
Same objecting was made to the gnestion. Majesty, he (Lord Liverpool) laid certain papers on the
'floe lasao Cuanceat.oa suhstituterl the following : table, relative to the conduct of the Queen when Prior
Did Carrington, whilst on board the Poictiers so act as cess of Wales. Then the question was, how those pa-
midshipman ? per. were to be dealt with. To him it appeared proper
Sir ,Doha Beresford.-1 should wish, in justice to to appoint a Secret l'omusittee. To many noble Lords,
this course appeared insprr. A Secret Committee.
M
Cirri tfeton. to enswer Lord Li verpool's previon s question.
ark opposition was manifested to the course the wit- was
however appointed, an they gave a report that
111.41 to take. there was ground for a judicial investigation. He suits,-
SirPnild
118.11/ORD.-1 do not think it is evidence, bat rinently laid a Bill on the table. This was the ground.
I wish to give en opinion. right or wrong, was there any thing mysterious is it?
With respect to the Milan Commission, he had said al-
Tile Souctroa-thotinat. objected to the Noose liss
teniag to any opinion, and especially as the witness him-
ready, that be had no objection, when the proper time
self Evelio-II it was net evidanor• arrived, to subject that Commission to the strictest fu-
Karl Out observed, that the answer to the question IllairY. But he thought that Ii should not at present
put mast be master of (mill:oats, and could be nothiinterfere, except so far as it affected the qoestion. Wilk'
o
else; and when a pesno„f sic John Ke News high respect to the Bill which he introduced, be did it with
character stated he had something to oar, in justice to
the most perfectsonfitience that the charges contained
the witneakec Aso& it did not become that House to in the preamble of that Bill could be made out. How.
far that has been done, it would hr for their Lakabipe.
refose to lieteete it.—(oeneral cries of go on, and order.) The Cowl edaccsttoit laced die Hoes, that they future determination. Bat at all events, there wits no
vote lot Its Neu testiest's, because the witness ve It s mystery he the transaction.
I'4°olllo kit It was rot rte. eivable es evidence. If Sir The Marquis of La
sesoorrat said, that the Huse first
Jobe ltereseard were presiding at a naval coon martial be entered into the consideration of that Bill at the sag-
would be filly everpoteet to tell him (the Lord Chauoeilor) gestion of his Majesty's Ministers, for the purpose of et-
tit___ _11,681 fie might gouache to he 'videos mold not be re- *mining whether that Bill should or should ned pass.
7!".nlivrs.ni.siehr . And he trusted therefore that ale J. Beres- With a view to their own convenience, and fee the pur-
:lo:h. iii Rinse him if ha remarked that the Dame might pose of eliciting truth, and no other purpose, they had
la Woe to him as to what was evideoce
g,, J. „e,openn.....rtie . • appointed two parties alkthe bar. The Noble Batireqign.
th It my less dud bon seellswondee I wished to maw wan site (Lord Liverpool) expressed some aatimisbeeent, Brat
opinion of Cawing. this „eider did not arise before, hot be would tell the
toe that I its not knew what jai; have held oat to "-
lig. Noble Karl. that it was only from the proceedings of the
House on the Saturday that the question arse, at sit'
Lord 141TRERDILIL—Was t7arrin ever on the
quarter-fleck f-s4le was never on the quarter-deck, to brasses the object Was to have In Meng' ; sad, in order;
arias( whets his duty as Issrrer.o,„ster led him three. to peeve an agency, it sesame necessary to meow the
Leen unsr._,Dit you lied .that , . rinkipal.-411ear !)--Tise Noble Lord concluded by sly-
* t passer' to a con- lag that when so winch of doe evidence as was been,
versa** yon aliterwards.beld with t;arrin ton ?—About tone sr eve oiler I k . g • a sary. east been gone through. be would consider it his
yearsmet his in Ilse street. an he j„ to sok, tn. old on of the Howse ist the qatuiten.
414 I bee set got PI pay espial°. I said. I- will get -Ina • ni
• Oucv said, he dill/zed entirely froat the Ploble
it int Yee; lied I was the means of getting him paid. - e -....
upg-m who oppmed the putting the question, Isecienws.
De yes readiest giving him a letter for some one at /rem the very first, the outset of these.) egei be.
Soserom •
Ilona respecting hie pay ?-1 do not recollect , trash against the prereedisk by Bill.' • 118'7474i tilgoi.
whether I gave'
i haw. It * d letter. op :whether I went myself; they she "testi. under disetrision ought •no be pug is.
1 'et it for kiwi. _ asses. es yet. So sneerer had been given to the didiy
De yea remember any eonvergstionLyou.hari with Ida . outtalk ter Meryl .4;aaaaal as. to tile. Pr"glit6r
he/see Weis, the Boleflefsf-Yikas I recollect rather of lbw 1141011 . . '
I . He took k "fee ranted; "'no
"Pnlothing bias feeleavenwtheltivhses I said! wasgelte Leap would Oily that where Are. was. on . arm;
.....c_B4.66lted at his &eV wo, particularly as be' was se thern . suit of Adeessity be a, iptincipal ;
.bo the
'2/llamado* board Oil ehAn. 1 *as displeased flit.. AIM kith that prineikst wadi' be lns.
at I'l'l tin thO servise ; I Ali soul lilt. th. envies t• • - _ mpg!!
this POre2Pill wogs ready hammi•—,
limp es a Om, no moon ,be rim rove was, shat I was la uns case. nanttemite weverameet _were tow
6 had 164171 loth', the perks, AO thus Its Nth pel Ow it yeti edesi . that W. Browse, the
arm lilted Jr Z." , ,
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