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names, ages, places of abode, and occepanon of t,
parties, as far is the same was knoon. Alio i re-
tortt-el the different pieces in which they were first
confinel and those to which they were afterwards
removed ; the authority by which .they had been re.
leased; the dates of their various releases;.distinguish-
igia those who bid been compelled to enter.into re-
.toguixances, the time when those recognizances were
discharged, &c.
Sit G. CLERK .presented a Petition from the
Tanners of Messelburgh against the Leather Time,—
Ordered to lie on the table.
MR. ROSE.
Mr. MACDONALD noticed the eircuitotance of
no new Writ having been moved for Cbrkichureita
and wished to understand the came; and adverted tilL
the office of Clerk of Parliaments. •, • .
Iford.CASTLEREAGII, almost inaadibiy, sails
that he "should make, some enquiry into 4ho sebjeit.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY moved for a new Writ for
the town of Southampton, in the room of Mr. G. H.'
Rose, who had accepted the office of Clerk. of Par-
liament:
Lord CASTLEREAGII observed, that the play
of. Clerk of Parliament was, a patent place, bat ho
presumed that some act must be done by the present
party, in order to avail himself of the grant. lle
could not say that any such act had been done.
After a few words from Mr. Ti ERN EY,
Lord CASTLEREAGH expressed his wish, as
he had no particular information on the point, that
any discussion on it might be adjourned till Friday.
Sir J. NEWPORT remarked, that it was a con.
giant practice to move for a new Writ, when Mem-
bers had taken, for instance, the Chiltern Hundreds,
and yet there was no idea of an adjourned debate
upon it. Could the House entertain any doubt upon
the present question ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.'
said, he was not-aware of any thing having yet been I
done by the Honourable Gentleman alluded to, to
avail himself of the grant. At present it was a matter 1
of surmise.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, he should take no re.
spowibility upon himself.—lle could only say, that
he bid beard. -from pretty good authority, that the
liononnble Gentleman bad already appointed a de-
puty, and that nothing was wanting but a mere for-
mal act.
Lord MILTON adverted to a case respecting
Stamford, in the instance of the Earl of Lindsey.
`There was then a doubt as to his succeeding to that
Peerage.; the S%rit was, therefore, superseded, and
no injury was done to the representation. In this
case they were deprived of a Representative, and it'
might be presumed that the Lion. Gent. bad taken rho,
reversion of the grant.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE said, that under the cir-
cumstances which had been stated, he would recom-
mend his Hon. Friend to allow the matter to stand
over till Friday next, in order thit it might he as-1
Certidoed in the mean lime whether Mr. Rose had
aceepted the Office of Clerk of the Parliameat.—
Illear, hear !)
The quastiuu was then pot from the Chair ; and it
was carried that the debate should be adjourned till
Friday.

NEW WRIT FOR CHRISTCHURCH.
Mr. M A.CDONALD moved, that the Speaker do
issue his warrant to the Clerk of the Crown fors new
Writ fo► s Member tow's, in this present Parliament,
for the Borough of Christchurch, in the room of the
late George Rose, E.q.—Ordered.

814100-110,1F.Y.
Dr. plijimmoitg begged to inform the House,
that he was. Member of the-Committee who had been
appointed to 'Amine into the state of the prisons in the
city of London ; and that, in vi%iling the prison of
Newgate on Moriday•last, he had received information
that three men, of the names of Brock, Pelham, and
Power, who had been tried at the Old Bailey, and
consicteti of the crime of having seduced three un-
fortunate Irishmen into the commission of axspital
.offence, in • counterfeiting the coin, in order to get
the rewards for the di4covery and conviction of such
persons, had received a free pardon, and here dig.
missed from that prison. He now wished to know
whether that statement was correct ; and whether
any objection would he made to the production of
the judgment on which they were condemned, and
the tree pardon by which they recovered their liberty
He had heard that, on a previous trial for a similar
offence, a doubt had arisen in the mind of the Judge
who presided, respecting the operation of the late in
bitch cases, and a point was reserved fur the decision
of the twelve Judges, who gave an opinion, that the
person in question could not be executed • and, se.
cordingly, he received a free pardon from the Crown.
That opinion, it was stated, hod influenced the Offi-
cers of the Clown its the case of Brock. Pelham, end
Power ; and they had been discharged from custody.l
This was a matter which required explonatioo ; for
he could not eonceive any-thing more horrible in its
consequences, than that such blood-hounds, who had
been guilty of so enormous an offence-, shoeld be let
loose upon society, and have the opportunity of se.
docing other persons into the commission of crimes.
-,—lllear, hear!)
Mr. B. BATHURST said, that the information
which the Hon. Member had received as to the free
pardon of those men was perfectly 'correct. The
Law Officers of the Crown, how sreatly leaver they
might wish such criminals to suffer the elocution of
the law, had found that they could not be brought
to punisher/at. He was glad that this matter had
now been agitated, es it was desirable that the Public
Ishould know the ground on which those persons had
been liberated. At the same time, he begged to
.state,*that the Law Officers had been desired to take
into consideration the necessity of introducing an
.Act for amending the taw in that respect. With re.
!Feet to the opinion of the Judges, on which these
men had received their pardon, it did not exist in
such a shape as to be laid before the House. This
wet all the explanation which hi was enabled to give
.10, the statement of the Hon. Member.
I Sir FRANCIS BURDET'F could .not refrain
from- expressing his. surprise that these villains had
been soffered to escape from the punishment due to

beim_ prodeced.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL mid, that the
case had been argue* ingto.-Escbetlew-chamborr, and
the Learned Jedges were it opinion that.the offence
did not come within the-ordinary laws of she land.
He hadAisme applied blp,usiod to dm sebjrct, but he
found some difficulty in treating so Act to reach such
cases. The prosecutionrtgains.t Brock, Pelham, and
Power, had been carried on by the city of London
with great assiduity; sud with respect to the Lew
Officers of the Crown he .could assure the House,
that there never esistt:d a more serious and ansionv
r'desive of bringing persons to justice.—{flear, hear!)
--But when the law came to be discussed, and most
ably and gravely it wvs discussed. some very nice
-points arose, and the Learned Judges were of opi-
nion that judgment
_could -not be esecoted. The
offence was enoimoes, end could
,not fail of being
-held in tke. greatest abhorrence. The persons, he
admitted, deserved to suffer the most condign pu-
nishment ; but the law was defective; and, under
such circumstances, they were pardoned.
Lord STsist.EY was proceediegt, offer some ob.!

levitation*, *hen
Lord CAS I'LEP.EAGII row, to order. There
was no motion, he said, before the House; and no
benefit could a tiae from preloogiug the eeneerseti,,,,,.
Mr. BROUG II AM *idled so ask a q.uesiion of
the Right Hounuratile Gentleman, the Chancellor of
the Eachequer. respecting the retort's made under
the Property Tax. 09 a former occasion he had in-
troduced this subject to the notice of the House, and
it hid been stated that all the papers which related to
that odious Tax had been destroyed. He now wished
to know *bother the Right Honovrable Gentleman
could undettake to state that-all the copies had been
destroyed ?
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The CHANCELLOR of the' S;XCEIEQUER
said, that he lied made further enquiries since the
matter was last brought forward, and be found that
all the original returns had, been destroyed. lie
believed, however, that some.'bliuk returns might
Still exist in the office. • • ' •
Mr. BROUGHAM begged the Right Honourable'
Gentleman to bomore explicit. Did he mean that
those blank returns contakied the names of the places,
parishes, &c.? -
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
gave no answer.
Mr. BROUGHAM then gave notice, AO on Wed-
nesday nest be should submit a motion to the House,
on this subject, unless some &Ether esplanation, were
previously giten.—[llear hear!)
Mr. PETER MOORE moved, that a Select Corn.
mittee be appointed to enquire into the state of the
law as it now stands, with respect to Clock and
Watch-makers, and that the Report of the Commit.
tee who were appointed to consider this subject in ties
last Session be referred to them.
The motion was carried. an:l the Committee were
returned, consisting of Mr. Moore, Mr. Butter.
worth, Sir William Curtis, and several others.
UMW-MON EY.
Mr. BROUGHAM rose to request the further at-
tention of the House to this subject. It had been
stated that Brock, Pelham, and Power had received
a free pardon ; but he wished to know whether they
were not to be indicted for a conspiracy?
Mr, BATIIURST said, it .was not In his power
to give any further esplation on the gas e of theta
persons.
Lord MILTON wished to know in what manner
this case had come before the twelve Judges. He
conceived this to be a mast imporlant *paint, and it
ought to be distinctly stated. •
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL slid, that an'ob--
jection had been taken by the-prisouers at the trial,
and the point was reserved in the usual way. The
case was then argued by Counsel, end the judgment
of the Court was delivered as the judgment which de.
sided the case. • . 7 .
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Lord MILTON said, that from what he had heard,
the same point bad oicurredln a Prevloos•case; and
• it struck his mind that it was irregular to'grant a par-
'
don to these men, merely on the opinion which had
been given on that previous -occaiion.' • *
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL repliel, that the
opinion of the twelve Judged of course.decided that
ease, and it became the dot/ of those who were ion-
awned foi the Crown, to take tistY chat those who
had been convicted of a &fifer offeniravere -eat eit-
ticuted, however thoit:inight abbit'tbe Crime of
which they had beiotconekted;" ' • - .
Sir F. BUR DETT ass sheltie 'offer his opinions'
en this case, when '
Ithe CHANCELLOR iat the eXCHEIVER
to order.

rose to
Sir r. BURDETT said,' the Right Hbn. (Unite.
man would not glib any thing bithilmndiof pro.
needing ; for, In a Very few. wattiOre mild make a
motion which would detain the Ilitesertwirhouts..—
He wished to ,know why these pergola' bad dot been
indicted for a conspiracy to take away men's lives fur
money ?
Mr. BATHURRST would merely stile, that he
bad given all the information in his power.
Sir JOIIN NEWPORT moved, that a Committee
be appointed to enquire into the Reports of the Com-
mittee on the state of the Courts of Ireland, and
that they report their opinions thereon to the House.
—Ordered.
Mr. MACDONALD rose, and begged to 84 s
qoestion of the Right Honntirable Gintleman oppo-
site (Mr. Bragge Bathurst), whether the Report of
the Secret Cammitleiw would be presented this evening?
• Mr. 114TnURST, in reply, said, that a point had
arisen late in the day, which had prevented the Corn.
mittee from coming to a conclusion. Ile thought it
probable, however, that the Report would be pre-
sented at the nest sitting of the Bowe.
Mr. MELLISH moved the second reading of the
original Bill.
Mr. DICKINSON, Mr. Ccstwvl, and Mr. Suiw
LEstgaz, opposed the tneasoie: they considered it
most unnecessary, and trusted that-the Hon. Member
would not-prey; any farther proceedings.
Mr. P. M 0010: perfectly cwocurred with the
Hoootgrable ligation!' who bad preceded him ;

verg. MIMIC!IntI
charges. If this Bill were suffered to pass, the Imo
sort of practice would be carried into ether Parts of
the country..
The sinestion was then celled for, and strangete
wtre ordered to withdraw.
On 11,division the numbers were—
For the wool moist g 13 Apia.' it 3J i M4j oily 17.
The Bill was thus lost.
The • Annual Report of Roads and Bridges csr..
Lrying on in Scotland, was brought up and laid on tbe
table. -

Dr. PIIILLIMOILE postponed his motion re.
spec/jag SWoish Ckimants, who have &rained n.
resin .f restitution of vessels engaged is tha Stave
Trade, till Tuesday nest.
•Serjeont ONSLO %ti fisod his motion reapecting the
laws for tie regulation of Usury, for Wednesday,
the.Bth of April.
Adjourned at alphlt flelf7,mt Sia o'Clnek.

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• LONDON:
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 1818. •

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In the House of Lords last night, the Ministers*
Bill of Ind'intuit/ was brought in, and reads► Brat
time. This is whit the Suspenders have been driving
to obtain. The provisioni of the Bill were not stated,
'bit the flame of It is sofficient to indicate its purport.
An objection was made to proceeding in the Bill by
:Lords LAUDERDALE and HOLLAND, founded upon a
principle of great constitutional and judicial pro.
priety, namely, the evidently unjust and loco*.
gruous situation in which the House of Peers must be
placed in regard to the House of Commons and the
administration of impartial justice, in passing a Bill
for the protection of Ministers before the Repot of
the Commons' Committee was before them, and in
case, which we fear is not likely to happeo, the
liven of Commons should agree to impeach the
Secretary Of State of the Home Department, for these
eery acts or which, by snowing. the progress of this
Bill, the House of Lords
,would in the mean time
have ezpressed their approbation. This objection,
however, was not
.allowed by the Ministers to hue
any weight, for a Committee los already decided on
the innocent merits of the Suspension Acts, and the
11111 stands fora second reading tomorrow.
The Committee of the Commons. seem to have
'stumbled upon some puzzling difficulty, which his
very lately presented itself to them. To a question
Irons a Member last night, why the Report was not
fortheatiffee Mr. BRAGGAI BATUURST staled, that
a point had arierit late in the day,which had prrentel
the Committee from coming to a conclusion baits
I thought it probable that the Report would be re-
sented;st. the nezt,sittitig of the House—that ie, not
till to•otorrow evening. What this point may be, es
know not; but we shall OW glad to find that vitae
;dew light has penetrated their secret darkness, socket
may show something of the horrors and iniquity of
the proceedings which hare stained, under legislative
sanction, the history of the nation, and doom 41 so
many individuals to lasting misery. Has it been re•
solutely contended by some.stubborn Member on this
Jury, that altogether to overlook in the notice of Miele!
terial acts,Such'eopalliptand apparrently uedeniable
circumstances, in the black catalogue of oppressioas
under the Suspension., as have recently come to uoi-
Weisel light,end otarsioued univers►l ezecrationle omit
beiglcets the public feeling into the loudest indigos!
bas it been found necessary to pauseinep•
wooing such a Report as thatlaid before the House of
' Lei*? Has it thus suddenly slatted into the minds
of ilia Committee, that something like an esplaustion
ittjustification of the numerous acts of horror mow-
tieed in the elucidation of the other Tribunal mutt
really be attempted, end that they are actually de-
ciding upon awful responsibilities, before a !valid*
and investigating People? The pause augurs coati•
' titration, and may teed to something. The result is
the other official instance puts us in mind of tie
" Long Story," without meaning—the Castle whit
windows that exclude the light,
And passages lead to motboot."
An interesting, though brief discuesion took
place last night in the House of Commons, on '
subject of the pardon which Ins been so sirs
and with so little respect to public feeline, est
to the abominable wretches, !frock, Pelham,
Power, who, along with the Officer Vaughan,
,a year and a half ago, as most of our Wedert
recollect, for the sake of blood•money, entered
a conspiracy to take away the lives of several
ignorant • Irishmen, employed by them in col
and afterwards convicted on their •evidence•
nrchinations of these wretches having been

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