The Statesman.
London, England, 1824-01-02 00:00:00

CATHOLIC ASSOCIATI
(ertoirrne DUBLIN Manx
On Fatolituy tHkeatholic Associ
3ret Street::
Th. Fogarty !mulled to th
,sled, that. -sir. O'Kelly s ttl%
s.crrtsry in Aieabsence of, Ir
yad besn'appniotterl.by
sct fur him during his pbsen,
Mr. O'Conttell ros it
op Tithe Commit, 1r
14 wore that fli '
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met at their.rooms

chair. It wasinneed and
mid he requested to act a.
Alr. Iticbard O'liornsan,•who
. Nicholas Parcel tiGotasan to
ice from town.
to propose a resolution, relative to
,ton Bill, of which he had eiven notice.
was tinderstood,the more likely was it to
,vour. However strong the sensation
, might be, this remedy was really worse than
A gentleman who writes sometimes for the
,reminded
has complained of those who disapprove of
,4.reminded him of the drummer in the familiar
, who was employed in flogging a men, and whether
:::igged high or low, the sufferer screamed, on
_which
ft drummer save him a curse, and said there was no
;,,,ing him, for whether he aniced Filth or low he still
ocp Ajars!. Now he (Mr. O'Connell) thought that the
r;0 e Commutation Act was high flogg'ng indeed. It
olsid.rably aggravated the evil of which they already
complained. That Bill was attiihotted to Mr. Coulburn,
• ::,tit his office was accountable for it. Mr. •loulburn,
believed, was a decent kind of a man in
•, •tte life, bat it :roost he admitted that hie
r.;
~;ter story was but ill furnished. That Bill was
ate.' withont tact or talent ; in some parts it *as loon.;
mom The 3J section requires a list to be delivered to
tie inentnitent,or to ang other person or persons ; anti
I;,en it goes.on to say, or to any two persona who signed
to requisitios, as if they were not " other persons."L The
:du section isle UN most beautiful provisietS, that the
Oponsuiesionera,if they think:fit, may have a survey made; as
might it say they may have eyes. or they may use .spre-
toles. Acts of Parliament are generally rendered noun •
iciigible to the public by the verbiage with which they
are chocked op, and, as if to increase the difficulty, it is
a part of the wisdom of the Legislature, that no pitne.
vtationis adopted in no:cords. Jo the Napoleon l:otle there
was not a single law hut was perfectly intelligible ; they
might not Pedlar. approve of those laws, but they could,
at least, nuilers'anol them. In this country too millions of
green acres were Chum property, and the Clergy of that
t hutch had their tithes of .the remainder. Theyn had the
richest Church. and the fewest persons belonging to it, of
arty country oaths face of the habitable globe. They had
tile richest Church, and at the s sine time the poorest peo•
ie of any country iu the world. Ile dill not see why
Archbishops 111.011141 not he content with 5500/. a year, and
Ili•liops with 45001, ryear. Why should they not he p rid
Joinders are ? The Archbishop of Armagh, has from 15
t 020,0001 a year, and they call this the age of political
ecionoety. The late Archbishop of Armagh, who was a
Scotsman. and not over eight or ten years in office, died
worth 300,0001. What- did Doctor Troy, the late Catholic
Archirishop. die worth.? He bad an income. of 8001.
a year. he held that situation for thirty years. he did more
tan.five times the work of the Archbishop of
•Armagh,
and took quite as good care of the flock he left behind
him ;—he died worth TEN PENCE! It would be a good
woke apolitical economy, indeed, if the enormous Im-
bue between that stint and 300,0001. should he struck off
Jai placed to the credit of the public. This Commutation
ket, as it was called, increased tithes one fifth ; it provides
that an average of seven years shonlol be struck for those
,erea years ;it specifies the years ISt 1 to I1*.!1. It takes
the averts, paid, or agreed to be paid on those year., lout
nut according to the present day. It also gives the Clergy
this aelyorage, that where they drew their tithes once
a year, they now can draw them twice—in May
and is November. Thus it forwards the payment of
tithes. nominally airs months, tint actually eighteen mon Its.
Ily the 314th section. titbits are recoverable as rent, before
s tearing might hare something for his landlord; but by
' the Stithltiretion, nfl tredltor can• levy for the *moose& of
Lis &mull Anil one year's tithe is paid. Ny the 4thh
oction, tithes semi levied as Chord& rates are, and if the
valuation and survey ma le are not agreed to, an umpire
is to he appointed. But who is to appoint the umpire?
31r. Secretary Hoolburn ; —.tn app-al to the Courts of
law is taken sway, even elionld three times the just
aleoant he deamtualied. if they resist the demand, an

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iter,

u ,;fire, very probably; may be the Clergyman's brother.
I they appeal to the hoed Lieutenant and•Priry Council,
a the witness.s must come up to Dublin, to the Castle, at
.o..i?erable expense. The expenses of the Clergyman
:re levied on the parish, muney is advanced for the pur-
p„,,,,,ml the Commissioners have thirty shillings a day
whilst the inquiry last'. lie did not think it wesintended
Iv np the Act fraudulently. but it hail really all the
4Paearance of it. It gave to a Judge of Assize the same
;meet to annul or confirm, as the Lord Lieutenant and
Her Conseil hare; bat it gave the Chief Governor and
?tin, erstoneil no power to annul or confirm. Ile conl.l
rot think that it was framed in this manner through de-
it it occurred through mistske, it sac really cruel
frightful that such men as framed that bill shoal(' be
;ermined to make laws for a people. At present
the Clergyman must sae as any other man, bot • here
all forms are done auav with. A man's rattle may be
6,u:tined fur fire thousand ponntle,or five hundred pounds,
lie may proceed by replevin ; hut if the Clergyman sec-
'"'he, he gets double cos•e, snit if the Clergyman should
wrong, the other gets hat common costs ! This Corn-
ruda.ion Act would, in a very few rears, commute the
..,!ire property of the country to those worthies; and
ly the wisest thiorr the reiniinder of the people could
uoull he to pack up their all, leave tha land en•irely to
them, rid take themselves away. That Act nearly doubles
tit miwunt of tithes, it increases the periods for demanding
then, and it gives the Clergymen power over all other
creditors. It is even full of absurdity. Perhaps it might,
n ire one good result, that o! reconciling the people to tithes,
it ahead them that it was possible to produce some-
:44lg worse than. the evil of which they have previously
tivaplained. It was really so had that it would be Impossible
to wend it. Who would think of pateting an ill made
red? it vas monstrous that the Archbishop of Dublin
should have 15 or 20,0001. a year, that be might have
hisure enough to devise means of insulting 'that Catholic
people. The enormous revenue of the Church was a m in-
v.rvus evil. In the year before the Voisin the Church,
the Army, and the Nary, were set ep at auction;
one man was' bribed by a Judge's place, another
!ll' a Bishop's See ! Mr. O'Conoett concluded
hl moving fur the appointment of a Committee, to
prepare a Petition to Parliament for a repeat of the Tithe
vomintation Act.
Ilr.Ltta Pzcosurr secanded this motion.
Ut. liet.ty wished to make a few observitiorts before
tie question shoold be pot on the motion, but he would
*lt remark that be did not think that there had been
saute eked of a motion for the repeal of the Tithe OM,-
molation Act. He was aware that there bad been notice
eiven of a motion to facilitate the payment of tithe in kind,
'lt he war not aware of any notice having been given of
itlepremat motion.
Ur. O'Cosnesti. assured Mr. Kelly that he had a perfect
!ecullectiuo of having given notice of the motion, and that
it was entered on the books of the Association.
Mr. KZLIA resumed.—He should ia that case confine his
Gitemations to the motion before the Meetiog. Being of
different religion from the Majority of the pelvis
pes pre-
'eat, he felt peculiar delicacy in stating that he should re
"Insolation& aegative. thirislied the Catholics to be-
", that they bad jot a firmer friend than blmseif. Slate
Ns dates of reason diet broke upon isitsiLbe.katil
l'Prteateri all religious astitsumity." He ties do asimmate of
be cause of Catholic Emancipation, and be was proud to
ty that he fresinentlyleard in that roam the most liberal

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principles expressed towards peratins of the Protestant faith.
Although the opinion of the Meeting should be against
him on the present occasion, he trusted that gentlemen
would admit his claim to be beard.—(lieir, hear, heir).
He considered that soy petition which they should adopt
would be thepetition only of the individuals who shOuld
sign it. And who are they, he would ask ?—Do they pay
tithes ?—He thought that the Aldermen of London might
as well petition against tithes. Ai an individual he was
opposed to the tithe systenir lie thought that a worse
practice could not he adopted. Hut would a petition coloring
from the Catholic Association remedy the evil?—He
wished for Catholic Emancipation, and hr feared that such
a proceeding might mar it. lie should wish :midi that
Gentlemen wunlil confine themselves to the proper objects
of the Apociation. That Catholic was mistaken who
would suppose tlia't a feeling of hostility towards their faith
was genenil' anion* •Protextenta. That feeling among
enlightened .protrittots was fast decreasing, and to what
was that to be atiributed. but to the condect of the Catholics
fur the last few years.lie'is as sorry to hear the Clergy
stigmatised as oppressors and extortioners.; there'inight be
oppressors and extortioners amongst theitt,but he regretted.
that the whole body Should he stigmatised as such. He
would remind gentlemen of the divine precept," Do unto
others as you would they should do unto you." Nothing
would.do the Catbolice so much injury as those attacks on
the Pastors of the Protestant Church. He thought that
what was to be desired in the way of 's of the
tithe system could he better elf.eted by a correspondrnce,
and a petition coold be then forwarded from those places
where the evil was most felt. That lie thought was not the
place for adopting such a petitiOn. and he would much
rather the gentleman would withdraw. his motion, than•
divide the meeting on the question.
Mr. R. Okaates stated, that notice of Mr. O'Connell's-
motion hail -been'given, and was entered on. the booki.iii
the Association. • He then read the notice from the book
in which it had been entered.
Mr:O'CONNELL TOSS to reply. He felt .geest pleasure,
in hearing the gentleman who had just spoken. ne con.
tarred with both in principle and in feeling. Religion
was between man and his (ion, and in Madrid as in MA-
I Ho, in Lisbon as in Belfast, he should feel proud to see the
saine•feeling of Christian charity revealed. lie (Mr.
O'Connell) was himself a paver of tithes, so were in iny of
the gentlemen who surrounded him the Catholic Aliso-
-1 elation, however, acted for the Catholic body at large, and
nut morely for the Catholic citizens of Duldin. He could
' not, he trusted, be supposed to include in his observations
! the entire. Clergy of the Estublistied Church. lie had
i himself some relations who were Protestant Clergymen,
!and lie felt assured that many excellent characters belonged
to that body. He cool I not be supposed to cen.ure all the
individuals of that holly ; he would rather, on the contrary,
draw a line of distinction, not only between the indivi.inals
and the system, but also between individual and indi-
vidual. They were not all parties tit the public act of
the Archbishop. He could nut, however, consent to with.
draw his 'motion, but would leave it to the decision of the
Meeting.
The motion was then put and carried with two or three
• dissentients.
Mr. Lcxe PLUNKET moved a resolution of thanks
to the writer of the letter, addressed to the Marqtarsa of
Lansdowne.
Mr. Dwren seconded this resolution.

Mr. CONWAY moved the previous qmiestion. The writer I
of those letters was a Member of the Association, and be
thought they should not thank one of their w.vn bo my. He
had some reason to know that lie but spoke the senti-
ments of the gentleman alluded to, by moving the previous
question.
Mr. F.marm seconded Mr. Conway's motion.
31e. O'Coxszt.t. spoke in suppotrt•,of Mr. Plunkers
motion, which was then put and carried unanimously.;
the question on Mr. Conway's amendment not hattog
been put.
Mr. ANTHONY BRAWN& moved that iwfuturo tbo Meat..
NO of the Catholic' Assoetaton, should be hold Wiens
o'clock in the evening.
Mr. Smurti seconded this resolution, which was carried
enanimminoly. •
Mr. O'Con eIA gave notice of a motion, which he should
bring forward, to call an Aggregate Meeting for the 2d day
of February next.
Mr. Ararnosv OttowNte was then called to the Chair,
when the thanks of the Meeting were vote I to Mr. Fogar-
ty for his proper cooduct in the Chair, after which the
Meeting adjourned.
CONSUMPTION (IF TAXED ARTICLES IN
IRELAND.
Time larEest and most wastefol consumption in IrOseni is
that of Ardent Spirits, of which the hou►e mode amitosis to
10,000,003 gallons annually.
The Foreign Spirits are trifling, the impart being Only
43,881 gallons.
Of Tobacco there were imported last year nnlY 2,14174
2371h5., whereas in 1812 the import was 8.729,3091m5. This
article, indeed varies very much from year to year:. hut,
taking the average's of 1811, 12, and 13, and ot 1821; st,
and 22, the latter is not more clan half the-former; An
export of Tobacco tsok place in 1823. to the omiaotrot of
229,2951b5. •
It is remarkable that theimport of Tea has varierl'tery
little for the last ten years;, it amounted in. 1822 to
3,816.96611 m -
The import of Sugar was 343.632 cwt:, being less than
4 lbs. for each individutl in the population ;.whereas the
consumption in England is about 16 lbs. for each in•
dividaal. In 1812 the import into Ireland was .462,
140 cwt. _

Coffee, a luxury of the higher classes, appears alio to
hare much fallen off in consumption : the i:npurt of Oil
was 9,211 cwt.; in 192•2 only 2,865 cot.
The consump ion of Wines seems to hare ditninished in
a still more remarkable degree. The comber of gaPotis
of ill kinds of Wines tliSt paul the Custom duty in Ireland
in 102 was 2,398,81.10 in 1822 oely 613,468.• The *lnes
too in the latter vear • were of inferior
.quality,,
gallons being laps' Wine, which •was unknown a the
forger period ; wbereae' in 18.2, there were 1.728,190
gallons of 'Port, 'and 215,173 of French Wine bitt
in i 822, only 250,743 gallons of For*, and 30,470 of Neetich
A TTEgPT TO ROO THICCOSTOM HoOSE AT .LIIB.CRIgg.
—On Christmas Ere a fellow of .the name of John .Cellins,
(a most notorious anti, ter, oho has already stos4 several
times at the bar of Justice,) contrived to secrete: himself in
one of the lower.apartments of the Custom Reuse during
the day time, and ,aboin e.gbt o'clock at night; consioeoard
hii operations by breaking open all the desks itrthe Long
Room, and itteinptiq the ironiafe, ea% tteisoilited a
Considerableiain of-money, in gild and bong rietei; Most
fortunately, blaster Walter; one of the pilti.ctireqlietinger
sons, pacritre threitgli Rutland Stree;tpirceir.cil alight in
the Costae; House llama is an apartuselit ivin reciouircoald
at tbat.bour have.riceeas.bat the accredited psesoose nod
knowing that saucy( that eLiss were .Sliea, -in the.eisilese.
gar* sis alarm, when the police were sent for, 'Millie- pre:.
c'utiOnary measure of surrounding the permit* ItalthiS"
been taken, they proceeded to search the inniee, *bee the
fellow um eeetred, and committed to t•
Evening Peet.)
. The Irish blagiutrutes.'have, btpli. to: eitivi:t.iniatitlye.
loontroul over the condu4 of the, tie4y.pigice •Canipi.le4-w
IA the county of Kilkenny, a aorjeant; istthe nosni-AVeck-.
eon, has been, committed for trial; on s cbsege of aterielosi
outrage, with intent to murder a person -aimed Iforibey, lot*
vbatbottla henvillireSparty of policemen.. Verged- big 7
night ; sod in Ahe.Ring's County lowlier serjesat %as
displaced for needliesly chaining or pristaer-,.. siker
liberated by the Magistrates.

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