The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-05-09 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

feather in his cap. It was argued against the Reformation of the
Scotch Representation, that no Petitions had been presented
against it. It was very bard that when any question was brought
forward, sitcom anied with Petition', it s .ould be alleged
that they bad their origin in faction; and when no Petitions
were presented against any measure, it should be said that no
person cared for it. That the Seotchmen who came from tarots
land to that House, were unautmously against Parliamentary
Reform he had not the smallest doubt g and if Ministers were at
all anxious to have something like a unanimity in the House,
they could wi=h anthiug further than that England and Ireland
should be represented after the same manner as Scotland. Those
Members bad since the Union supporied regularly every Govern-
I any person were inclined to doubt the In-
fluence of the Crown, he would merely refer him to the recent
rejection of the claims of the Roman Catholics of Ireland. No
person could doubt but that it was the Crown, and not the peo-
ple, who decided that question. Would any min maintain that
if it bad been knonwn the interest of Government was to be
given in favour of the Catholics, the question would not have been
determined in another way ? It would have been decided as the
question on the Slave Trade was, after a struggle of '2O years,
whenever it was known that the Government was favourable to
it. An allusion had been made to the opinion of the President
Montesquieu in favour of the English Constitution, bet it ought
to be borne in mind.that the destruction of that Constitution was
prophesied by that .-reset man when the Legislature should he
mere corrupt than the Executive. There was a new sera. If
it could he said of some of those Gentlemen who bad lately gota
over to the opposite side of the lloase, calm amen animas 111 ll-
fent gni tram tota.-e currunt, lie thought he might safely at least
say this much fur himself, that he had never shrunk from the
riople, bat had at the same time never sacrificed his own opi-
nions. if he could arrogate any thing to himself he thought it
was consistency. He had maintained his min opinions wi:h tha
people, and against the people. The present war was once po-
pular, and the American war was also popular in the beginning.
At the end of the American war, however, infinitely worse
terms of peace were procured than might have heen got at the
commencement. That war was at last terminated by clamour,
and the present would be terminated in the very same manner.—
[llear, hear !)—lle was glad that the Honourable Baronet (Sir
F. Bartlett) had this night explained his speech oit *he question
of the Barrack Estimater. lie had heard it rumoured that wane
would have voted against the hayracks, had it not been for that
speech. From wharhe knew of the feelings of this Honourable
Baronet, he believed he would rather have done auv thing.than
made that speech, had he been aware it would have been at-
tended with such comm.. nences. This was fining the country in
no less a sum than.9o,=l. a-veal for this unfortunate speech of
his Hon. Friend.-4 tough,)—With respect to the decision on
the question •of Wak.Aeren Expedition, there were three
tided Members of the City of 4.90d0n who voted for it, and one
entitled Member who voted against it. This, be believed, the
Citizens of London had nut yet forgot. If these Hoisoumble
51enibera claimed a right to have their own opinions, he believed
the Citizens had a atrial to have _their own opinions also. This
Coustitution had its origin its the people. Were it not fur the
people the Prince Regent would* not be now .exercisirg the su-
preme authority. But the democratic branch of. the Constitu-
tion had been invades' from time to time ; and unless a stop was
timely pat to the invasion, the consequences would he alarndag
indeed. Upon the good-will of the people at present depended
the salvation of the empire.
Mr. EI.LIO explained.
Mr. PONSONBY began by staling, that he had
no objection to giving his vote in favour of the first Hill intended
to be-brotiglit in by his /lon. Friend, that of extending the right
of voting to copyholders ' • and as to the second Bill, he should
equally support its being brought in. though he did not thereby
mean to pledge himself to a support of it in its future progress.
ith regard to the general question of Reform in Parliament,
no one was more sensible of the delicacy of the subject than be
Was but at the same time it equally appeared to hint, that no
mode of attempting reformation could be inure safe than by
Bills. It was preferable to any sweeping measures, of which
no one could anticipate the consequences. As to the necessity of
Reform, he would only say, that however excellent the constitu-
tion might be, sin one would surely say it was so excellent and
immaculate, or so sacred, that its abuses, when obvious, should
not be removed.

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Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that he had waited
an the evening to hear a Noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh) de-
liver his sentiments in support of the motion. As however he
had been disappointed, he would beg leave to read to the House
the opinions of that Noble Lord upon a theater occasion, when
a similar subject was discussed in the Irish l'arliament.--[Lood
alas of No, Ara ! front the Treasury B,,arhet, and of hear, hear!
from the Opposition !] It was an historical document, continued
the Hop. Bart. and he had therefore a right to read it.—[Cries of
Question, Question !]—On a Motion of Mr. Grattan's, Feb. 9,
1793, respecting a Reform in the Representation of the Irish
House of Commons, the Hon, Robert Stewart, " in an able
speech, reprobated the little special pleading which bad been
I used against the motion--a Reformation in Parliament be held
to be necessary ; the present system of representation be
taals-
tained was dekcti sad he advised Ministers to meet the ques-
tion fairly and freely ; for a Reform in Parliament he would
vote the money of his constituents, hut he would not vote a !hil-
-1 ling of it for the vices and follies of the Government."— (Ilear,
Hear !:I—To do the Noble Lord justice, continued the lion.
Bart.be preached his doctrines to an Irish Parliament, who
would w+t lister to them. lie then-took t. e rod in.o his own
bands,and rooted out the evil altogether. It was front the abuses
of rotten boroughs the Parliament of Ireland fell into contempt
with the people of Ireland : and the same canes would produce
the same eruct in England.
Lord CASTLLREAGH said, he was not the least
indisposed to adopt the sem invents which the Honourable Baro-
net hal read as his, though the opinions of early life were not
always to he held to the test of a strict consistency. ['fear,
hear.] If, however, the same cause existed • now as did ha
1793, ne should still avow the same sentiments. He begged,
however, to state, that he spoke in reference to the Parliament
of Ireland, which was certainly at that time constituted in a
manner most inadequately as to all the purposes of representa-
tion.. It, however, the Honourable Baronet concluded, there-
I fore, that his opinions as to a Iteform, applied flintily to the
English Parliament, he begged leave to assure him that he was
completely mistaken. . In the Etigli6 Parliament be did not see
the same necessity fur Reform he did not even see the expedi-
ency ; and therefore be should certainly vote against the gees- I
tion. . • I

Mr. R. MARTIN, of Galway, supported the

Mr. PONSONBY•explatined.
•General TARLETON said, the vote of the pre-
sent I.
Parliament on the Walcheren Enquiry had decided him for
ever to vote in faslour of Reform. 1
The CHANCELLOR, of the F.XCIIEQUEB!
would not deta;n the }loose long. He never felt less aux iety. to ,
speak, particularly after the able meaner in which the moll= ,
was opposed. Ile thought it right, however, to notice .aa ex- '
preaston of his to a Noble Lord opposite (Tavistock) ou the pre- t
ceding evening, which bad been much misrepresented. lie was'
accused of being the panegyrist of his own adininistration.--,
Now he did not by any means state his administration as the most
wise and the most vigorous administration that ever existed ; but
he merely
~spoke cum t:arati vely, and said, that his admi nistratioa,
in comparison with the last, was both wise and vigorous, and
successful. This surely was not much partegyrie, because he
never was in the habit of thinking so highly of the late Mini-
nistration, as to believe that a superiority over them deserved
much praise.--filenr.3—He was pretty well satisfied thathe was
not singular ip this opinion ; for, however it happened, (brio:o,-
04441prd ta.iblek a.,good. deal. swish Isior.—{disrugitivg, and
hear fl—As to the Walcheren expedition, with all its demerits,
he did not know that it was surpassed in success by any of the
achievements of the late brilliant and successful Administration.
The enquiry on that expedition--and ,to which enquiry it
should be rememblired the Administration was forced by
this very abused House of Commons, that enquiry opened
the eyes of the people N the merits of the expedition ; nod made
the great majority of the people think favourably of it. With
respect to the influence of the Crown in that House, and the
notable cry about placeinen, he should like to know if the Gen-
tlemen expectants on the 'other side were note good we Wit in
all public questions against the Gentlemen in pootession !
(!/ear!] They bad even an advantage—there were many ex.
pfttants there in the suite of the leader, while there avoid be
hut ow favourer of Adminkration io the
.possession of the
place expected. (Ladd cheering on the nintsterial Beischer.l
:He then argued shortly against the motion • and comforted with
expressing, his regret that the vote of the !eight Hon. Heathrow'
opposite Mr. Yonsonby) should be given with all its weight to
s cause which the Right Holt. Gentleman himself thought do de.
ficate and dangerous.
* The question was loudly called for. and The House divided—
For the Motion
Against if ' . 216

Majority . ,
Adjouraal at two o'clock.,„ •
On the late important debate on Sinecure,, Mr.
SLIAV LETETRI Sired 'olr with Gen. Mmttfees.:—
There are several othefireir* wpich we have
`u no-
ticed. g• •
Mr. Micas BEActI did no inte In the minority.---
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THE STATESMAN.

LONDON:
SATURDAY, MAY 9, 1812.

In addition to the intelligence which arrived yes-
terday from the Peninsula by the Lisbon Mail, Go-
vernment received dispatches from Earl WELLING.
Tom, dated the 16th ult. the substance of which was
given to the public in an official Bulletin, and ap-
peared in a Second Edition of the STATESMAN, and
which we again publish as follows, for the informa-
tion of all our Readers:—

BULLETIN.
CC WAR DEPARTMENT, MAY 8.

" Dispatches have been received from the Earl of
%Verdi:4ovolt, dated Niza, 16th April. General
SOULS had collected his army at Villa Franca on the
Sth April, but hearing' there of the fall of Badajos,
he retreated in the night towards Andalusia. His
rear. was closely followed by the British cavalry under
Sir S. COTTON, who came up with 2,500 of the ene-
my's hotse early on the evening of the 11th, near
Villa Garcia. Sir S. Corrwi felt aphis them with
two brigades; commanded by Major=Greeeral Liz .
MARCHANT and COlonel Possosay. I
. " The Frenth wero overthrown, and driven in
great confusion to Llerena. They sustained a very
considerable loss in killed and wounded, and we I
made about 150 prisoners. On the part Of the Bri-
tish,
50 were killed or wounded. Amongst the latter
is Major PRESCOTT, of the sth Dragoon Guards,
(slightly), and Lieutenant WALKER, of the same
regiment (severely).

" Great praise is bestoWed tipori Sir S. Corrcix,
Major-General LE MARCIIANr, Cotibial& PONSONBY
and HERVEY, Major l'nEscofr, suit' other Officers.

" The enemy's force retreated, on the 11th from
Llerena, and have entirely evacuated Estremadura.

66 Lord NVELLINGTON had not beard from Gen.,l
BALLASTEROC The Couv,t de PIINSE VtLyassitr,.l
had approached Seville by the right of the Goarial.'
quivir, and had skirmished with the garrison upoal
the sth, and obliged them to ,retire within their
works.

46 Lord WELLINGTON had accounts from Ciudad
Rodrigo up to the 9th, when the enemy still kept
the place blockaded, but had made no attack. The:
had not repeated their visit to Almeida, where they
suffered some loss iu a reconnoissance upon the
3d of April.
" On the 7th, most of ManxoNT's troops moved
from near Ciudad Rodrigo towards Sabugai, their ad-
vanced-guard entered Castello Branco on the 12th, bat
evacuated it before day-light on the 14th, when Gen.
A LTEN'S hussars and Col. LECOR'S brigade of militia
entered the town.

" Lord Wt.t.t.isiozon is moving towards Castello
and his advanced-guard has reached Castello Branco."
Niza, the place from whence Fart WELLINGTON
dates the above dispatch, is in the Alentejo, about
15 miles N. N. W. of Po►talegre, on the South side
of the Tagus. As his Lordship's advanced guard
had reached Castello Branco, on the other side of that
river, it is probable that the next dispatches will be
from a point somewhat advanced in Portuguese
Eateemadurs, into which Marshal MARMONT ap-
pears to have penetrated, and where Lord WEI.
Llt/GTON is in full march to meet him. Private let-
letters state, that while his Lordship was occupied
with the siege of Badajos, MARMONT had over-run
an immense range of country, even to the vicinity
of Abrantes, and that the property he had acquired
and destroyed way very considerable. If we under-
stand the Government Bulletin right, the French
head-quarters were at Sabugal, when the last ac-
counts were received. Castello Branco, where our'
rdvanced guard had arrived, is not tifty miles dis-
tant from Sabogal. We may, therefore, soon hear
of some Important ' operatioirs taktigliface ; and as
the Duke of Kent and Walsinghana packets were
lying in the Tagus when the last vessel sailed, fur- i
ther accounts may be hourly expected.

By the arrival of a Malta Mail we have received
Gibraltar Chronicles to the 19th ultimo. They con-
firm the failure of the attempt made bY.BALT;As-
xtaos.te surprise Seville, but do not contain any
thing new respecting Spain or Portugal. -The Ga.
aeite Britannica, of the 4th of March, contains a
Treaty for an exchange of Prisoners in the kingdom
of Naples, entered into by tho British Commander
in Chief and the French Government, by which
many gallant fellows will he restored to this country.

The &Alin Evening Post, of Tuesday, contains
the following -article :—" Yesterday the City was
shocked by a Melancholy procession of several hun-
dreds of the 'Weavers of the Liberty, who carried
through all the principal streets a Fleece in Mourn-
ing, as an emblem of the extinction of trade, and
of the universal distress of the artisans who want
emplornfnt, and who therefon want bread. la

their progress through the streets, they distri-;;,,L
the following hand-bill :

TO THE NOBILITY AND GENTRA OP IRELAND,
We, the Working Artists of Woollen Manufacture, bg'
again cull the attention of our generous Countrymen to ire
dreadful declining Slate of Trade, and total oblivion of
brier. We have experienced, on former publicity of our dis,
tress, the Liberty cleared of its abundant stock, and in a fom
weeks the entire of the Working Community at emploympat._
We are cow much worse than when we before solicited yorr
support, arising from the exorbitant price of provisions: ill:bar
are willing to suffer, IF WE HAD !EMPLOYMENT to retain life in iti
lowest ebb. Antious that Irishmen may rise from the slander.
ous imputations of rebellion and discontent, and to save Ils from
the wild extravagancy of starvation, we importune our Cosa.
trymen, ever willing to alleviate the sorrows of the dis:ressry,
to an entire predilection in the consumption of Irish Ilanufor.
turn.—This is the only resource now left, to limaneipate hes, d
and Irishmen ! I l'

" The peaceable demeanour of those unf rt finer
men was equal to their estretne wretc!iedues,, zed
it was evident that their -mo'ise for assembling is,
such numbers, was merely to affect the public niind
the more acutely, by an exhibition of colittthe
misery, and not in imitation of their starving b 0,..
thren in England, to intimidate and to destroy! The
contrast between the conduct of the starving arti.
,sans in England, and the starving artisans in Ireland,
is peculiarly striking. If the Irish artisans should•
perish through absolute hunger, without uttering
single expression of discontent against the ruinous
system
.whicii Ms annihilated the trade of this on".
prosperous Empire, Mr. PEncErat. may have au excel.
lent opportunity of pronouncing, in the House of.
Commons, & funeral oration over them, although he
must, at the same time, convict himself of being des.'
titute of the chief requisite of a Statesman, namely,.
that portion of common sense, by which he would've
enabled to find work and food for the people." •

A Merchant of the first respectability Is repotted
to have left London last night for Paris dire t
in order to open a negociation between the two clap,'
tries, for a more extensive Licence Y4ystent, and for'
the revival of commerce in general.
The official amount of the action between his Ma.
je.sfy's ship Victorious and the French 84-gun ship,'
the !timid, was received at the Admiralty yesterday.
.The force of the enemy, was greatly superior: the
Rigoli had 800 men- on board, of whom 400 were
killed and wounded. The Victorious had only 300:
of whom 40 were killed and 90 wounded ; among the
former were two Lieutenants of Marines.

. A letter from an Officer on board the Royal S.
vertigo, off Brest, states, that the utmost activ'w
has• been employed in that harbour to get a squathoh
ready. for sea; and that in consequence of this ex.,
ertion, .he ides the ships which lately entered the
port after the cruise from L'Orient, roar of the line
'sere prepared for immediate service.
• Another alteration has been made by the French
Government In its licences to trade with England.-•
Letters of the 2d inst. from Paris state, that the Tnitt
has been done away, and that the exports and import;
are to be placed on an equal footing; the criterion le
to be taken from the last 15 prices current printed la
England, and from the same numhor printed in
...France. If it shall appear that the import/ into Iraqi
eleeed the exports to England, the surplus shall be
liable tovsonfiscation.

Orders were issued yesterday for sending sixteen
French emigrants out of the country, and two uera
of the musical tribe ; and those of superior ce.
lchrity are in great apprehension of getting thereby a
quick movement I
An authentic statement of the causes which pro.
duced Lord WELLESLEY'S resignation has !pen circus
lated among his Lordship's friends. It is p vbahle,
that very few days will eiaire before the nubile is put'
in possession of this interesting-document. •
His Rovol Highness the PAINCE itEGENT held
Levee and Privy Council yesterday, at Carlton.
bodge.

On Thursday Mr. LANZASTER arrived in town to
attend the General Meeting of the promoters of 114
System of Education, to he held this day. Mr.l.,
has had a seven-months' tour through Ireland, Scot•
land, &c. in the highly praise-worthy pursuit of the
education of the poor,
A large vessel, supposed to be the Marker, of
Ntw.castle, was wrecked the 26th ult. on Domicil
Sands, and all the crow, about sixteen

drowned.
Sir, SAMUEL RO3fILLY and General
voted with the Majority for tne abolitioi
cures. It was by an error in the copy
names were omitted, for we can bear witr
regularity of these Honourable Members Il
sent at every division o►t such eoustitutioi

tions.
Monday next the General Sessions of the
the City of London will be held at Guild]
the LORD MAYOR, • the Racoaortt, the
4cc, • Oti Tuesday the Sessions for the
tiltdlesrK will be opened; and ,ea WiCsassesede.
oe . -of Oyer • and Terminer will come
..hyitice Hall in the Old Bailey, at which '
great many pi ?soners to be tried, sever&
.are for capital offences.
The Cleopatra, GLENDTNING, sailed
t;iffe • for Leith, the 3d of January last, at
since been heard- of.
In the Court of King's Bench yesterday, Daniel
who had been found ;oats, of publishing a pain; hlut,
to be the Third Part of Paine s Age of Reason, was
for.ind7„mont, and sentenced to eighteen months '
in Newgate, acd, during the first mouth, to stand
for oneTionn, in the Old..
Carforth; add iWiother, who had been fol
essiojabigerecraltine party, near Wakefield, inYol
sentenced to twelvemantbs imprisonment in York I
CASIR F. BURPiir EARL Of MOIRR.—The
ISIVAL applied to the Court, that a day should be
for the,Trial at Bar ttf the strive cause, le the ensuing
The Court, buwever, refused to comply with this propose
but he a conditional rule to chew cause why a day ---
ant appointrd for the trial in the next Tenn. Thin was an
siesion against • the Constable of the Tower, for receiving the
Plaiatilf "und:r a process, which was recognised by the Con
as valid.
Yesterday, at Bow-street, came on the .beariggstf seven if:
formatious against Louis Moreau, and Ciorteco agoinit CA-4!
Cauvinf, for prrformitgl in• tett:tin pieces at the Pontll
Opera-house, without sending a copy of tech please to the Eut
Chamberlain 14 days before toe acing thereof, pursuant to sett.
It) Uri. 11. c0p..214. Thy yagistrates sli•.tuissed the Maim:Woo.
on account Of sufficient ev delay not being adduced to substan!
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