The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-08-18 00:00:00

'the mast was slim] ; heard no Rid' 1,
ne but the-soldiers • no stones were tn.
Were knocked about their swords and ant
pie ;lowa Park-lane. . . .
Mr. Sheriff Waithman here observed, that,
sequence of an interview which he had with
ther and sister of the deceased, beelovas
hope that some *sass would be adepts' by.
soldiers might be drown as to live the
a fair opportunity of vie ng and identifyit
who were concerned in the death of Richard I
He merely held it oat as I suggestion to the-Coroner'
and Jarytnen, as more becoming them, than Isllnselfi
or others ; still he must observe, that a holey re 'pen-
sibilitv would lest on them if some steps were not taken
for the purpose which he had mentioned.
One of tfle Jurymen observing that they had no
right to tale such a step, Mr. Waithman added, that
titer hat, nu right to return a verdict till they had re-
ceived all the evidence which it was possible to ac-
quire. Ile knew that if a leg of mutton were stolen,
the officer of the regimentcbarged with the theft would
raw out the whole regiment, that the offender might;
be ideotificd. As the subject seemed to interfere twilit
the examination of the wituessee, he agree4,sto pql6l
pone its consideration till after the bu.eioetre q Ibefitni
had been concluded.
William Cleaver, lives in No. ii, Chitribleit % *
A
grocer and cheesemonger. Saw the prere.iots rat•at
Kensington. Ran before the procesesion to ill ' qgton-
gate, where he saw the solders and Iforee, tea is for
the first time. They were trying to turn the , ititittssion
into the Park. A gentleman on horseloack rod,/ up to
them, and expostulated with them. After somuctone the
procession moved on again. Witness went on then as
far as Down-street, Piccadilly, because lie thought the
procession was coming behind hint. lie waited at the
corner of Down-street ten minutes, and fleet imearil the
people cry that the body was gone Om tough the Par:: ;
they ran up Down-street, and South Aitd!,:.estmeet, to-
wards Cumberland-gate, and came near C.sinberlantl-
street. Soon after lie heard a number of pi-tole go off,
about twelve or fourteen. When Ime came ell it::: stows
were fiy;n: in all dirrctions--all was ronmanoe. Ile
saw an officer of the Guards in scarlet, a;:pareetly'a
young moan about 20 or 22, presenting his pi-. 1.11 in the
direction the witness btuod. At the instant the witness
perceived the dash of the pan, a person fell he his side.
and partly ageielt him. Several persons called out,
" there is a man stet, take him t.o a deron's." Witne..s
was alarmed and left the crowd as soffil as pas.; iiie, and
want up gneltec-street, and got into the New Road.
The officer was nearer to Tyburn-lei-101ot thaim witness,
and thirty or forty yards oft ~s witness rettmcned hod;
in a'uontihree enarters of an hour, he saw the saint of.
fiver, and twelve or fourteen men at Cumberland-gate.
lie went up to the officer, and said. " von are a pretty
fellow to shoot a man, are you not:" Ile looked at wit-
ness, and said, "1 wish von were shot too." W then
moved his horse to the farther end of his COatrla!lV. Wit-
uess examined the horse and accoutrements, b;it coal,(
make no mark by which lie could recollect him meal 71.
lie knows the officer if lie saw him again. 11" h Ors. %ras
exasperated at the officer's conduct at the time, and eaid
to hit,, "I shall know yam again." Several others wait-,
at the same time ecrnsiug this officer of killing the loan.
He was about YO or 22, rather pale, and his hair sandy
coloured—he was slim made.
Examined by Mr. Sheriff Waithman.—Saw no othet
pistol tired at the time. Comthl mot •••V•Par the man was
killed by that pietol, but the min f Il the instant the
pistol went off. When witness charged the officer with
having killed the man, he did not, deny the charge.
Heard many persons say the Riot Act was read, but
himself did not hear it read. He sew the man fail as the
pistol flushed, and heard no other shut at that time. Saw
no stones flying front the side en which he stood. Can-
not say what part of the procession had passed, so great
was the confusion um hen he first caine tp the gate.
Examined by Mr. Hansom—Saw some of the horses
pass Cumberland-gate and go into Oxford•strect, when
witness arrived. Has however a had 'immure. There
was a great crowd there. Saw swords brandished by the
soldiers.
U. Rogers, lives at No. 1!, Morninetoteplace, in the
Hatupstead-road. Is a tobacco manufacturer in High-
street, St. Giles's. Was one of the Committee who took
on themselves the management of arranging the proces-
sion of those individuals who might he anxious to show
their respect to the remains of her Majesty. Left his
house at six in the morning, and joined thegentlemen at
Ilyde-park to go to Brandenhurgh Home. Saw carts
and waggons and coaches drawn up.
Here a discussion arose again wiiotbe; it was neces-
sary to go so far with the evidence. Some letters were
thrown into the window for Mr. Sheriff Waithman, which
he tore without reading, and the man who threw dolor
in ordered to be taken into custody.
Examination resumed.—Does nut know the reason of
those carts. Witness proceeded with the procession to
llyde-park corner, and when he canoe down Piccadilly,
there was an alarm given that a part of the procession,
with the body, was gone through the Park. IVittiess
:lien made his way through one of the streets in Picca-
dilly to Park-lane, and then galloped as fast as he
could to Cumberland-gate ; the people were all
running in the same direction. Witness placed
loisnsclf nearly opposite Cumberland Gate to take
a view of what was going on, and to join the pro-
cession again. The first object that presented itself was
a body of the Life Guards: theme were three in front;
the centre one appeared to be 311 officer, as he judged,
from his dress, and the comparative effeminacy of his
appearance, by his being thinner, and a less 11141/ than
the others; he judged hint to he sum officer; they seemed.'
to, he in violent irritation, and brandishing their swords;
and apparently threatening the people. They were in
the Park; the people were hissing them. As they were
coming out of the gates (both which were shut when
witness came up, but how they were opened can't say.)
they came out in an irregular form, nor did they form
till after the affray was over. They came galloping on
the people, and cutting at them in all directions. At
that time no stones at all were thrown ; hat after the
'plaices bad cut at the people for some time, they then
flung stones, andthen the soldiers drew their pistols. and
fired individually and irregularly ; saw no damage arise
from the firing. The people called murder. Saw no one
wounded. Saw the swords before that coming in cue-
tact with the heads and shoulder, of the people.
Examined by Mr. Hanson—Does not knew whether
the people at tfie gate were keeping the gate fast, bat
does not think they were.
By Mt.. Sheriff Waitloihan—Was of the Committee, and
Met at the Freemason's Tavern.
Mr. Sheriff Waithman was potting to witness
a question, whether he knew that any pia s formed
• which '•

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'.he CAssanittee. He knew of no plan agi-
'ttee to obstruct the streets or wAya

lives in .40ing.i-llne, Mary-le-
mr the prolession at the corner
from the steps of a Gentleman's
the gates were first shut against
novis not what individuals shut
people who shut them to prevent
body from coming through; the first
the molt of people was the funeral
coming through the gates ; she saw the soldiers brand-
ishing their swords before the Park-gate, as they rode
backwards and forwards ; di.l not see them strike any
one with their swords; saw the " Blues " only come
out of the Park. Did not see any thing done by the
people during that time. Saw no stones at that time
passing. When the hearse came through, the people
turned the hors-s down Oxford-street, toma:ds St.
(Mee's, and the soldiers, called Life Guards, 'misted
them. When the hearse was gone they began to fire.
Saw no stones until after the person was shot. Saw
i
no guns fired. The man who fell might have died ins
her arms if she had courage to hear hiw. She %vas
all the time looking over Lis shoulders. He was on'
the first step. She w.ts higher. lie fell, and else'
cried out, "Oh, that man is shot." Does nut know

who lifted him up. Slit• no one fire. She weutdown
Quebec-street ab soon as possible, after • eing the!
blood gush fran his breast: Ile Lad his lace toward
the strcet, awl she was looking over Ls smoulder. Iler

agitation was too great to see if any holy was firing-1
The man threw no sto::es. She heard may the report'
'of one shot. Saw no horse soldier by at that time.
Examined by l!lr. Hanson.—There was a great
!crowd about the gate. 'I he people at the gate were
crying out " The City." TUe deceased put h:s tim-
bre:la between Iris legs, and all the observation he
made was " The City ! the City ! the City!" as bul
ps he con1;1, and clapped 11;1 hands at the :•411iC time.
Vrom the time lie fe hR nearer knok est l.if ryes or
ipokr. She ntver before saw Lial. heard sit Riot
Act real. 113 orders given. Is unactputinted
with v or flow-to:vet ulli,Lers.
Examined by Mr. Sheriff loVaitlinian.—'slie was go-
inz away before, hot the deceased said she was layst
wit. re she was, an:l there was no danger.
William Montagu, lives at -N. Itedford.street, Rus-
sell-spare ; is a servant to Mr. Hodson ; was in the
procession on horseback, at Cumberland-gate ; saw
soldiers posted at the gate outside the park ; was
among the soldiers ; saw oneoftheofficers hispiece
towards Cumberland street before the procession came
through, and beard immediately the cry of issorder.—,
This was not the Crst shot, but is Was that of which
the witness first tool; notice. 'I he people began to
throw stones at the soldiers. Saw no stones before the
shot woefired. Does nut know the olficer, but he saw
t 3+,1114 and thin mats, mounted on a brown horse.—
The people were crying nut " the city, the city :" The
soldiers nia:lk; a elent ring, and then the officer turned hip
horse and lie (witness) was hit with x stone
'lie saw the officer aftereards, hut the stones were
rowing so thick that he could scarcely take notice of
him, awl was afraid to go near the place. lle was
near tin- Park wall, in the road, when he fired, near
the parlc gate. The soldiers had made a clear ring
about them, with the exception of himself and a few
others. Saw the soldiers cut at the people thrott,;ll the
gates.
In ats,wer to Mr. Sli-riff Waithman—Did not hear
the °Biter say any thing—the mob said, as be rode
.long, " 'f bis is he who shot the man," at which he
gave a slgniG. ant nod of the head, as though he were
proud of it.
To Jitryman—"fldolis be would know the officer
again, if he saw him in regimentals ; did not hear the
Itiot Act rya 1; did out see the wan 3 fall, bat saw a
.:rowel round Lim.
To Mr. Sheriff Waithinan—Did no see a stone
thrown from the place where the mw fell, before he
fell, hut saw them afterwards; th •y came then from
nearly the.misille of the road. Th.• first litr.e the moll
shot the gates there were only a dozen ; the second
time there were a great many more ; they attempted
several times to shot them, but succeeded only twice.
No violence was ka.ered to him personally, farther titan
the soldiers wan ig their a.vords. and telling hits to
get out of the way. If the people hail net retired ra-
pidly, they wolf 1 114VC been cut by the swords.
Joseph Bidout lives at No. 3, Little Surrey-street.
Blackfrisrs-road —is a Oa Zier. attended the proces-
sion, and joined it first at Hammersmith. Was present
with it at the wilds kr. Where the soldiers joined! it —the
Life linarls. Ile was behind Use procession, and does
not know what passed there, farther than that there was
some confsksion. with the procession when it went
as far as !tart:-lase, Did nut ;,to through
the Park fat tiler th its the Stanhope-gate. When lie got
to the eni of Park-lane, saw the hearse pass through
Coarberlanil-gate, with a mourning coach before. He
I was then stauding nearly opposite the gate; saw the sol-
diers there at Burt time. '1 Ise first thing he observed
was the deceased falling. Saw nothing before that,
•thoitgli lie was a near spectator. Saw no violence pass-
imbetwixt the people and the soldiers before the shots.
not hear the shot. Heard a number of shots after
that, but none before. On the side where he WAS, things
were very quiet before that. After the shot was tired
be hail enough to do to look after the man: thought of
nothing Saw no stones thrown at all. After be
bid attended to Oka man, went down Cumbe.rland-streett
and slid not go hack there again. Does not k who
fired the shot, and slid not know the man before The
man it as doing nothing before be was shot. Did not
We the Lies-sun who tired.
In answer to a Juryman.—lleard twenty, thirty, or
fatty shots tired in all. Did not notice whether there
was one or ten shuts tired at the same time as the one
by which tie man was killed.
The Foreman here addressed the Coroner, previous to
the Jury adjourning, ou the subject of an. observation
he had wade at the last sitting, as to the propriety of
the troops being-drawn up, to boittspected by the wit-
messes. He had prepared a motioi to that effect; which
Ihe thought there would be ao impropriety in laying be-
fore the Jury.
Souse discussion arose as to the form of carrying the
effect.
WA ITiIMAN observed that the request that
should use influence in • the matter, would
propriety thrumgb the Jury. The Carousel
w what we,s the best quarter to apply to. and.
theft could bE no doabt on the Imes*. it-
TUrY:if• doh Satisfied with the evidehce before
%liberty I/Yea for ether information. Ile
thesregnest in judos to the telatioss of
4;nitowse..ll,lisire is a Geotleman here who re,
Gem&
We tboughighe. Jag were preinaturd
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ong the
fr no
the ithaitentir mitliteem
t c pea against the procession.
Elizabeth Parker. 1
at, in con- bone; is a widow;
h the bro- of Cemberland-rtrvet,
induced to house ; was there when
r. which the the procession ; knot
witnesses them; they were the p
Ting those the soldiersand the hod
d Honey.— thing she saw through t

Can; ;771; ati;incn;ittee..-aie'ree- mason's :rae;nl..tWielliell the Sons" disclo4or
•rner witness was a member, to inters procession. motion into iffeet,
'Ards The Coroner and some of 'were of opinion Mr. Sheriff WA
is in that this question was irreleva ought not to be the Coroner shoal
; di- answered. .. . come with, proprit
i the ;31r..Sheriff Waithman submitted that the question would know what
body ought to be answered, as the coownittse and himself be thoeght thefe •
con- among then were charged is the papers with self.' The Jury:i
rapers
wits, a conspirac to op •• • the procession. diem:mere. &tithe
row° Th. _4, ' therwors. - talus toe (31r. W.) nods di
emit ei • 1.1"
,' • it a*. the deceased.
Only IliF tIIA - .' ' 1p
by •
bit* • . The Vo"itowse..n
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