The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-10 00:00:00

applicatialasioreasule to that House for an increase
the salaried of various offices, and now that prices had
became eyed lower than they were even before the rise
of de
sal yet those salaries bad never been again re-
duce:ist they looked to the situation of the feud-
holders, he gbt a proposition for the more equal
distribution time dales, was any thing but unjust. He
could sot that the state of society could long
timid, in wWc% e part was to be drained dry for the'
support of dee aber.—(hear, kear.)—He lamented to
hear the wild language which had been thrown out last
nigbt.on that side of the House, when an Hon. Member
had declared, that the taxes paid to the Fundholder
were a Mortgage on all the property of the Country—
(Hese, heat. hear!)--end that they were to pay to tied
last shilling. to thew whether they were honest men or
sot. As if it was possible, in any society, that m
strange an alteration could take place with common
wisest, that *eery one It lio was well-horn, well-bred and
educated. sod who filled a station in the institutions of
the econtry, should give up the whole of their
in order to fulfil an engagement, which
ITSI%4IOd he ruinous even to the Fun/Molder.
He embed the people, instead of busying themselves
with projects which he would not then mention—in-
stead of meditating the forms of Constitutions, would
0141“1011f to impress upon the Government the absolute'
nasality of conforming their expenditure to arcane-
stallees, and not of attempting in rain to suit circum-
stances to their expenditure.—(Hear.)—if prices hail
faro 90 or 30 per Cent., the reeeene should be lessened,
if not in exactly the same, in a nearly similar propor-
tion. He had felt it his duty to state his sentiments on
this subject; and he should have thought himself the
*sat miserable and guilty of men, if he saw his neigh-
bours deprived of their property and station in society
by the pressure of (listens, with the idea in his asltssl
that he had btu *party, either actively or by negli •
ewe. is bringing them to that condition.
Mr. HlTMArafter stating his expectation that one of
Ode taxes nn malt was to cease a twelvemonth elle/ the
war, observed that the Chancellor of the Exchequer now
took en-dim, that he was going to reduce the expenditure
one million below that of last year ; but the merit of
this reduction would be better appreciated, when he told ,
them that the expenses of the last year were 19 usillions.l
de that it would be reduced to 18 millions, which was
still one million higher than the expenditure, according
to the estimate of 1817. He (Mr. II.) was conscious of
baring used his best endeavours to keep down the ex-
penilitore. He hail, in the last .Session, proposed an
Addres? to the Crown, praying that no appointment
be should made to any vacant office, till the change of
the mine of money was considered, and the salary regu-
lated amordingly. This motion had nut met with sup-
. Fart Irons either side of the House. la the course of the
- ear, the salaries of all great officers had been raised
(with the exception of the Ministers of State). If they
were to look at the extravagant Staff at the Ordnance,
in which the allowances of officers had been three and
four times increased, they might be convinced there was
a wide field fur reduction without looking to desperate
expedients.
Mr. R. WARD said, that in the Ordnance Office re-
ductious had been made in the salaries of the higher
°Seem.
Mr. HUME and Mr, R. WARD explained.
Mr. HUSKISSON recalled the Committee to the na-
ture of the tote. The Resolution was merely for the
annual Malt Tax, which had been continued front year
zes year, ever since the reign of Queen Anne. He thought
it highly proper to inquire at the proper time into the
causes of the distress which he acknowledged existed in
some degree, though be thought it had been exag-
gerated, as in some parts of the' country, lie was in-
formed, there was ass iuspeovessent is trade and iu the
condition of the ple.
Mr J. NEWTURT thenglit would be well that the
'Right Hoe. Gentleman should state those parts of the,
country serilph were improving, that as they knew where
the dies existed, they aught accurately appreciate
the state of the nation. He complained that during the
*Wince! Parliament the clerks were preparing the husi-
Sift Ofrideb should have been ready at its oponiug, so that
the Esrey which always followed improper delay, often
occasioned Bills to be passed which were the disgrace of
the Legislature.—(Hear, Isear.)—He himself recollected.
that five years ago, a Bill was introduced, laying &duty
upon madder, and after the Bill had passed both Houses,
it was thund that the word "madder" had been left out.
lunch.)—To do effectual good, it was necessary
the? should all lay their shoulders to the wheel ; and to
terminate business well, it was uecessary that it should
be commenced early.
Mr. HUSKISSON rose to explain ; be said the Hos.
Bart. bad called upon him to state, in what part of the
country the manufacturing interests were in a state of
improvement. He alluded to the cotton manufacturers
in Lancashire, as well as the woollen, in other parts,
which were now returning to a flourishing condition.
Mr. D. 131tOWNH made some observations upon what
had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman. as to the
statements in the Petition from Birmingham bring ex.
sggerated. Ile said that in the country which he came
front (Ireland) there was a state of distress, of which all
that could possibly be said would not amount to exagge-
ratios. He trusted that the Irish Members would force
this state of things on the attention of the House, that
all ;he practicable relief might be afforded to a country
as deserving as it was unfortunate.—(hear, hear.)
Mr.Hcsetesom and Mr. liaowxa mutually explained.
Mr. (MAUSTON R observed that the distresses which
now affected troth Great Britain and Ireland were refer-
able to the causes which produced, both in agriculture
and maonfactures an excess of production above the
consumption. He went on to say, that in the debate if
the preceding night an honourable member had stated
the distress complained of by the Petitioners of Binger
ham, to be merely local, when
Mr. BROO)RN interrupted him, and said, that be
could not refer to the debate of a preceding night.
Mr. BROUGHAM interposed, and after meal
marks between him and Mr. Brogden, as to the Whir
et Mr. H. as Chairman of the Committee.
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Mr. GLADSTONE, resuming, said, that by letftes,
lately received from Liverpool, be was informed titer
thee-ars of the men were considerably raised thine.
In some branches of manufacture a considerable ins.
Prevenient had taken place, but others were not Is en
foment a state. With regard to the depression in the
irou trade, some time ago we imported all our iron from
Russia and Sweden, bat now we not only furnished
'pouch for the home consumption of the United King-
dom, but supplied many of the foreign markets. The
Hon. Member then, in answer to some illusions.
suited, that none of the persons filling Government
sitna,sons in Liverpaol were related to or in any way
connected with the present or late Members.
Sir. CREKVEY asked if Mr. Faulkner was not a
eela:lse of General Tarleton, and whether a Mr. Stan-
ayto/d, Comptroller of the Post-office at Liverpool. a
Slier wurth 4000/. a year, was not related to some late
Members' I
Mr. GLADSTONE said he was not aware that the
isdivid°4l in question was a relation of either of the
resent or the late.blembers. The support which time
tor the lste.Meabers. The support which those
uentlemi.n used to give ministerial candidates was that
support which oar iodependent Gentleman eyes another.
Mr. CREEITY was aserry to mention tames, and, I.
lam, Mr. ikaaayissed was a Particular &lead of his. He
bild, however, hoard that this Gentleman was brother-
in-lair to Mr. Bolton, and when there was a contest for
the plate which he now filled, Lord Loasdals was ap-
plied to to support his.—(Order.)