The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-11-07 00:00:00

THE. STATESMAN:

now as at the time of the list meeting ; and let not
"entlemen so i;pc;sPihat their specious oratory Cu ea:
)(dignified re•

rigged by Air. Plunkett, whe roe so nekindof an
explantdiori, but.si,Xa dWaredibat illiberality was
inherent in theFeil:

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jole the Catholics out of that attitude of Jignalci. _ , .... -- --- -- ---_.. di
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seetnient which theirtsultiug rejection of their claims I- Mr. FINN-10".1 te cOntintiatiem.....", Sir,
inorethin justifies. W 4 nut delay, 14 the ivtli Of of !when any maw miietaitts t.illiberality icieherent
in the'tkettalsOlin-4);44(es gill eyplwenian , chooses
=ooze Jau..? Every mument may make suca a change
'in circumstances, as to make that proper Which Jac. :to ,expresseikatisa.t,
i.pliperibte is ifent in the
`fore had b'een ineligible. Let us be firm; let us 'Floglisbuvinil,,,Ngehn &tea 'lteitSeatt tal. confound the
i stand firmly 'on oar oars, end let us .frown at our Reuple.ef ringlifiid W4th lirGtiternitient, of which
enemies who withlinldnut tights. l'am nut content, Government that Pilifricdisappreese,as much as you
' I will never be content, till I am put on the same do, 'add' thasAti•tatiiiihe• toi the, English nation' mo.
footing -as a Protestant; r will frown at my Op. tives and feelings which armolifY attributable to
pressor; that is not a crime by the. law of the land; her.Mitristers ? 4 Will, the „qesjiitternan apply a rule
as yet I cannot be sent to Kilniainhain for dieting trs • thil'editieSeltreseerre. of 'the _English character,
the itelignafien of my, sent at the face.of my Op. whielt-Ite.elnerdoreffelt at If it were applied to the
pressor.. C Loud. cLerinil. I ern for frowning, Charactet °folds own country ? Is such conduct
not lit.,e tiiesnen*king crieging aycopliarite,. who go fair ? Would any honest Irishman endure to
to dic Castle to
.betray their brethren, and to lick have his chintOterostintated by ihe conduct of
the foot, that spurns- them; let us frown on them ; his. Government—"and why, should he Bina esti.
I cannot make long speeches, 1)141 have as .much Mate the character of .Englishmen ? I know the
property and as much happiness as must men) and 'progress the esthetic cause has meded.syou must
I am as. meth interested in the 'safety of my clean. ,-.all keg, it. The most cursory observer. of the Mo.
try,..as any of the bigotted enemies Of Cathelle dent History Of the British Empire meat know
Mau cipoion... ...' .•• - . , what yolit Cause his gained in the public_ mind, on
Mr. PLUNKETT Opposed Mr. ''O'Goeettuil.i 'e,' Very diicuesidif.-- 'the pidurfices of the Parliament
'motion.. Ile. coodeinned the conduct of tire English 'hinstcattisb before, yeur claims. The opinion •of
Catholics, and inieighed against the general feelingi' .the people of .Eeieland InflrttCes the Parliament of
of Engliatunee.oe, the 'Catholic +pestle:C.', 6,66,iri"/..61/114Rdrit1104tyrIlirliaillelit Mast.attilitiftelg yield' to
said Mr. Plunkett, r' illiberality is in inherent in the that Opinion.. Mille cipfition is iudeed, irresistible,
English mind, elfrif you
csanut .expait any, jestic,e," Ittd aontronlsevete Pe)eceln,Enelied ; and, thank
lie con teridid;ifiat the catholic Pr} nett ousted. God,: -thit..opi4on can fib Moved, -'effectually '
their friends; and if !again presented, would ugly -moved, ..in despite of any power in England....-
conduct the Admissiltration in power.flo :rlsen, endeiout to. con Ciliate that' opinion, aed
quoted an extract from a Parephiet, }entree by_ Mr. holt' ii:O yeti to do io butbydiecussion ? Petitioci then
. Butler, in support of his ;opinion, and *gale:Said, tdpendliii that discession-r.make yOurciie known,'
that the Catholics of Eogiand had acted a. ovine Sod and yOu *tit iecceed: Look to the consequences
shameful, vett. ' . .•. s : :: ', 'of the petitions which you hive already presented '
Mr. Pr.usreeir 'ti as• called to oider,by Mr'.Thia. to Parliament. There was, I remember, ou Mr.
lIIION, .w Rd subruittedto that Gentlemae's goodsesse, . Percevat's Notopery El.,ctlons, that is,. when he
whether it was prudent Lu 'day the English Cathri... dissolved the Parliament to defeat your claims, an
tics. -Mr. Minket contineed his speech withsume 'outcry ao strong againtt you; that in London, the
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very 'tree& ttinsikS 'oat •what he ailed 46. that fiest city In. the wetld; perhaps, for..liberality and
cursed Veto," anti" that cursed 'Asrattgentent.i'— attachiaou to (*Wow; Harvey Combe, to my
Ile; animadverted on the conduct of Eati Grey—he kpas4ledge); auk as that 'Mittman . Must knOw ,
adverted to the Aggregate Meeting; and. salt), "Sir,
nidinntelf, would flab' beett "tiler from the repre:
you : wt,re 'represented'as heving .said, that you sentaillin, had it riot bliewfoi.the,sndden desith of '
would consent to the re.enaetsseitt .of the whole, Aliternian Hankey, who oppeted him—that Harvey
penal Code, provided- the • Vniou should be re...' Odinbe, one Of the.most putillc.Spirited men in Ede-
' pealed. Put; Sir, -you titteke ityprithetiCally—lotilsteed, Wag* the Cllpee of the jont 'When the No;Pd-
: said, if Mr. Perceral should make you an offer-be. 'pery.sry Rsesailecl;tlieltit'lliiilti *that list in which,
cans you 'well knee? what kind of amen Mr. per,. for a serietorieirs helmas nsmittleaddsykineesgeincy:
cevsl is; end Ifecatise you knew that..lo..wieild not And Whyll2-littiuselievetcdfor yon. Suott.nfts the
content: • He then took a review •of the conduct of influence Of tbeinfeirual yelt.of No.PoPtieliyhat net.
the British Commanders to the . Irish &ldlers whir cher the private virtues no.t the titacitot piftiotistii
.served in Spain, Portugal, and Sicily, who were de. of .fralikattuin .G lobe could•kildst it; Iskleed, even
flied tie rietts.Of their Church in. their expiring mu. in WestmitiSier, . Wheie •we were to. expect thit
Inputs, and said' he had dani,nitigpreofs of. the fact in equal liberality, bit more leatting, canted, attouipts
hit posse.Bl.4. , were made to raker the .Ni.tiepery cry, and these
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Mr. MAIION spoke at. some length id farotir of attempts served to shanty a calculation which nd
a Petition, arid celled-0u Mr. Finnerty to give his man could now venture to express or td entertain.
opinion respecting what he found, to be the general No,; on. the Idlt discussion of your cases not a
fee:ing.of the People of England eespectingCatho. popular murmur was heard' against you--44t 'a I
tic claims:: : - • •• • **, • . Petition *.iiiiiireaedted but from that depot of alai.*
A general cry for Mr. Finnerty to carat forward tasted' prejudice, the .University of Oxford. I
then took place. - . recolfeet that there, was at that time a general cry
Mr.. FINN, EILTY then rose, in enrisequedee ilifOttithat the countryn foe a Parliamentary Se.
of what had fallen from Ms.. liticissiO lifahrml and retail. Hat. if evert that very desk:shire digestive were
spoke to the following effect:—Gentlertien, at yoti carried Ceder such circumstances, otiamOuld-atmott
have done me the honour to call upon me.'Orticn. think that it would have been enfortenate for
tarty for the, ptirpoisiof giving some isileiniation the Catholics;' that a people over-charged with
respecting the *sentiments of tite• 'Englliii *Mien prejlidices should have • been. invested. with so
upon the subject of Catholic giallo, lanitie to ea. Mach. additional, or rather controulling influence
perience yew.' indulgence; and that you will mini& ciptin A Ibitplbtjere which should hive to decide upon
der, that I addreits you withda! *the adrantapof the Catholic claims; lest that measure, which Would
premedititieu„ tieing. talus suddeile and missapect. Rive addi firma! • liberty to' the Protestant, should
edly applied td. Let it not be thdtight that in de. tend to tiiet the chains of 'the Catholic. Let me
iiierieg my sentiments. on the present :Ocititon; .1' dot be' isandeettocid-4 speak of time and eircum..
.1: intend to mix with tbcise local matters which 4 gin* which can tiene.again recur, if you per.
peculiarly War% tp any illvision of Irish Ca- sews in , diet course which Must produce riffs.
Oaks) or to. enter into any . cionsiderelion of cusalortt ~1
,Ctuestien, at the petiod I allude to;
' partydisputes.- I deprecate drvision, as rhaie el. whether:threedditithi of the people of England, if
ways bellevcdthat the greatest misfortune of Ire. pullet!). Woild iitte'haVe voted !spinet you b but I
laud Originatadfronithedissention of her inhabitants; amPeregedede:dtsat it now appealed to, ;decided
' and it is to be lamented that whin . the progress.: of majoejey woad aepear iityinir favour---in favour of
irresistible reale:allied dissipetedthe prejudices, otre. dm lianiedSaiesmaiscieattpe nfthe. eeople of Ireland.
ligierrik there were to be found. adme
.peentiar sus. There is a vqa 1 ihis'selijrct, Whithtililfili has not
• eeptibilite of discord in: the Irish apt', that has occurred to th 4 eithiricitt- elei oppose petitioning,'
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contrived tie divide] Catlinlie. from •Cilholic, When riotild ask," . ei- lit lie '*ot .tuissful to yUur
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the divisien.tietween CA titolie add_ Protestant had 'ettuntry, Siefsil 'to roar, tiellgion, Useful to your
ceased. This spirit of cliiistion hat been the bane character to. Make youclineetry, your religion;
of the.. Irish--4t•Cas the' poutce of your Original and pier chariot chi lerstood•in England; in Eu. 1
subjectiou, and while It lives le must ensuie your- iCite,"end themigh•the • *odd k Every disceslion
degradation. ' To avoid that discard, ito, fatal to clucidatetkiheselmpertalit.Objectit—by discussion, 1
Irishmen; ii a diity fluent:sheet on every man who in fact). ,insoot only et twin Your sentiments, and
spurns thethraldoet of an intularant end domineer. adult! your Character, but youadvocate the cause 1
ing factiou.—and I blest say, that any person who of year religion thicinghout the world. Are you
contentedly beholds its cancel*, It an enemr.ii his dot,aware nf the. clrcumstances. of your coda_
native land. I lament Indeed extremely that liceee try ? Your Press bas, not power; but 'as the
divisions should ever have had an existenee.• . They echo of Parliament, to render essential benefits
are, permit me to, say,. equally incrsistene with to the people. You are all &mania! of tincibeiless
your character and your interests. Why; with the instances of •the most atrocious inhumanity, but
same object in view, should yeti. become hostile . which, being of a local, nature, are not authenticated
to each other, because younny differ Mite the nteans ' beyond the precinct's of ample= Wheie they had
of attaining that abject ? But why tostile to each- been perpetrated. No emu dare tell- them •bitt at
other at .all ? Why 'not concentrate all your hut: the Peril of being immured in a gaol. The perpe.
tility against the •intoiceamtr.ilie Ate Crap? 4tilti ern I tritons pertitniclisiiidy deny them in England, be.
enemies of your just. rights? . No doubt .every. cause they wiill.ooirthatthettleish feeling would
man who hears .me thinks his course correct—u.o revolt at their 'dada.; While the assertion or tom.
doebt all intend well ; but what a melancholy plaint of the tuff s:en dare • not be' Published',
spectacle to itness honest minds acting under the because, acersztlieg to that extraordinary thing,
influence of-delusion—and allow me, with, aft, de. .called the Law of Libel, truth is, iebject..til le.•
ference,.to mate my conviction, that oppositiunaos intl. visitation. There are, therefore, particular
the spurn of petitioning is a most erroneous poli. transaction's whiCh. cannot be made known to
cy. —A Petition to Parliament may. be thus simply the people,- bet `through the medium of the Par.
considered., What is yourobject?—to obtain Ca. liamentary Ilebatia. No min dare •relate the
thotic Emancipation ; and I will ask, how are you -Sufferings of the Catholics of Ireland, through
to obtain it, unless by the means of &Petition to the inediuht of 'a • fleirspaper, unsanctineed by
Parliament ? Have you any encouragement to pro. Parliamentary authority, in the same truth) spirit,
mote such an appeal ? • Look to your former Pe. and. effect); which Marked the eloquence of
.titions, and will any man tell nie that you ought your distregis. Witeountrynian, General Matthew ;
not to feel a triuutphaet. confidenCe in the final andsthe publicatipe_of etkeit facto, as he stated, is,
Soccer+ of your just cause. What other means i perkaps, ameitt.tiastjrg seneats which can be
have you, unless by an application to Parflit.:Jeolsed for*onslriejqefleipi'ent. Let no man tell
ment to . make known your grievances ? Have! me that yens gletiee,escregeg",,lf stated by the Press.
you any hopes of succeeding'? 'lO4 you havik.the -pre55,m065,1,4) Attu pe ferns its (auctions ;
/Iwo' modbklb NIIP • ilifix—irtoo.i.die ',may.
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and I refer to the progress of your cause tn Vie be writers;
English mind, as a confirmation of, my (edition. abet are ittollltlPM IS II be Fettlers-? Are
Can any man say, that you have obtained even a thalaistittafi ...ilifi • PlTltlia iii, k„ it pamphlets
partial .cilioymetit of Your_ rights by any other. el ifrigAlollilt 11111 T
~,pvi.o* isakia with such a
means, than 'by the Meow, the irresistible Mu- Partlo4l•4lintitePOOVl .1.0 Wild th *tongs 01
once of reiterated discussion '? i Sm. told; arid I wait i 'lstiotottftt44r.i.letttp,(4P,thOYtaitl of her
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sorry to hear the declaration from se•respectable ah *pressor*, heAsses ;liti,,fit . the, risle' o 'enema ii;
indieirleal„ that illiberalitrhYinl ad taken so strung b . berty. But iamettlary Itelitirta Ere unive;r:
twit' in England, that you could not hav4 anritope ; sally -read.; *every 'thing whith happen! in .the,
Of mitigating the.rirukdCe-tof its .k4wer,—tbitte. .11uufi Of C4ltitabffs 'is liabkod it by 'the people.!

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—These reportir tee not confined to A
rand the learned ; they 4nd their ~„ —6 .•
the pot. hotiies where the""' es
. ;.• humblest of the
enjoy t er et‘nostreercatione. Is not i,
013bnIctu Joe' anode
of
ie publishing
h grenade'
it is not-it nsteetit 'wish the digbmillinitsyk.oitendrhe-ciTtbot
of Whatis meant
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dIII is
dcotiefg4nafaeleYlfri:llorrultlezt.:":llht•itorghshaivarlleattentn:iree!?:ll—idni'W.inubsrleluyantysirirs'adithhigelai":4ll.
will
t o not
press
retteds:l
Does he tamely sot:bat and call his s u benission d1:11111,
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The strange toesceptionof dignity which Gen-nit'•
press on this occasion, somewhat resenibles
a.
centric velour which fires in the air, instead of
veiling at an opponent. What, does ilfr..Korep„,
regard your professions of dignity, if vat 1171
and, his prejudices alole,eiele?,Onllyf,ywolity,
him by pressing your chims, you may fold t,„'"
selves up in the mantle of your dignity, and ip*.°-,
sneer at you—((fear, mar !. Loud tip pia fiY
;everts, minutes.]
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Petition, and by doing so, , promote yokrcs
Ind you disturb the feelings of your enemy [11",;"
hear.] and if you cannot overcendeiour-e;
not allow tips feelings to enjoy .rei,9le4_emiiir;
.SHOULD YOU' HAVE AMY. ..VIDELINCL Or DILI it
FORM
ANY AN WHO itErUsES TO DO TOO jU nCAiti
It is amid, you ought td petition fur a Rekl'
rather than for Utliotie Emaaalm..
but I 'ask' why not petition for both ?_a f'"
for Parliamentary Reform, and for dionialtagoi;
Ty thes also ?--ask fur every thing that ioulave--41
right to-efaim, and ask fur it as often Os oppod
offers. Parliament wilt be more suitably env%
in the discussion of such topics, than in the •
meat of penalties, arid the imposition of hid
Never forget whd are your eneinlist sad thee
let me ask, ho* are you to use them? od
you wish to overpower them I. 'heti press tot'
Petition, beCause every rejection of your Pstii
time facilitatei the downfal of those Ministers,
who areyour irreconcilable enemics,by encrentingthi
odiUm which attaches to their conduct and pr.
ciples. Netcc: fusgAt,itya tircumstitice, that by
circulating more wi4ttlll Wing the people of
laud, a knowledge of your stfenirs and ydarski,
ferifigs...74lu obtaiti..4etv your cane;_
Press tipost your enemy, andmn mart finally bait
him ddiftti, by the irrspiatAtie justice of that tads
But while I recommend this persetefing firms*
let melfso isttort you-to moderation s WOO%
hOseeteil, tole be •understoed; when I use the tit
moderation I do not mean that moderalia
Which wont(' damp year spirit or road you
citation, but that *high, would place that Spa
and that eterdtl4l ouster 4ereper discipline, so al
regulate your insieemeotel, as to ensure the hi
tainment of 'ultimate .success. Dust ree, sty
'(riendi, there it no apology for haste or hops.
tience, for the, Operation of fritOlti the WOW
of c ten ti, the injustice and iattpaeity, of your foes{
mug speedily secure the common
_object of qui pet.
. suit. With regard to the prbittO puttponelhtil
or tbo isearion, I mist lay t tis alma undo.
14tand-the grounds on which the proposition is if:
fared.: either .it is • propet to petittiaor kSo
If the (timer. the :sooner you decide the We
....bat It the
.latter; why not toed the tpltitiod
once by a direct negative Will yois hold out to
~the Minister and his partisans that you Are not h.
solved to petition;...that you have any doubts its is
the propriety of doing so &hero me, , !balls I.
cOuragemesit to think so would be.peculierly Ott
ful to him. I have batten opportitteity of obtervello
which enables me to say, that he and his fried
arc paitibslarly anxious to avert the discOssios of
your claims. have Witnessed. the pain excite lby
the introduction 'Oti this subject into Parkes*
I have seen hoii.the itnposslbility of finding est.
gument—tbe oeCts,ity of toOteleig to preteurth.
and the urtifFee of •gndeatouring to mask the rul
reasentrier-objectiog to your claims, made theirs*
*sibility•of tlrbet AK/HAL wince,
.who owes his coin
sequence •to your depression-oho holds his bri
fjce stpdvi the condition of rupposing yoi—rho
as willinCto lrlagelto.she power shove Mavis 0
press down' aide within the reach of hie Pert
—who ros sseai all.gtiiii'iolitler tics of tßaserQestilit
crawling habit; etiti4niserent virulende. Piers A'.
Finnerty was. 'Aterrupted ky 'repeated Iggh
of applause.] With Ouch a feeling,' thee, Ith
appeal to your ctiturr on sense, wjlether it bea6to
object of impohance With bins to prevent you ftse
petitioning ; so much tin t persuaded that sack it
object is highly desirable to. the Minister of P 4
land; that I have no hesitation in stating my ottisioa
that he would readily apply 100,000). a.yeu, on
of the Sum wrung from your impoverished 00.
try, to reward ashy party *Melt should gutty
wishes. But will you consent to gratify Dial
[Hein-, hear, Heart] ti bah bees laid to yet
that.you ought not to move on )bits subject, Isle
the nation moves. If the position be pal
that no man Should inOie unless Oft hallos
Mover, then no man should move it
[A. getieral try .of• hear; hear.]--But in allot!
there must be a beginning and who he proper
ts
begin as he or they who do produce most tf._
red ? ',Ana who so proper in this casete begin°
the Meeting which 1 have the honour (o address?
Who so likely to influence ethers, bz talent and by
character ? Who so conipetent to give an impule,
to 'the nstiOn ? [llea! Bear!] The coullt
looks, naturally looks to the rapit.4l, and the vo
try may be neutralized if you be Inactive: ila
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something wurso may be the consequence, e
Ira divided. Reflect, Gentlemen,. that your li
oai
posers have nothing to offer agaiebt the awl
your cation ; they
aW
benefit front mi§representation ; but if they F_e
re!
scribe you as divided people, they may dr P. 7.11
Your adioaidil,4los7;assening that yeti k s:p're,"
cannot any longer derlren
anxious lak our onnumtilltiotil thus,, make
tencolor.:fekiatin our, "4.t. such I
sycophant soy
via himself (." divistoie
net elle* '• 'little party.
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to iurterfclie'• *Mt.. yesue-:Qexertions
,41'_7:17)1ic
of Oily, nOjoct. Petition re• I_l46.`liitc,
Einknelliatien 'is often is you have an oner; ear
pod letVerellPatitisin h:tti the weig.ht. w'h'et'
ta6es'to
14**Iliik. say icgoti
. a Repeal of the 'Union. Ye*, yds, seek loos
bf Llikt Ittoassire `which la

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