The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-03-02 00:00:00

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Me. HORNER. said; he so entirely 'ciitturrid 1111
what-had been said by the last apealterithat It iinsdit,
precluded the necessity of • sayincany t sng. Th
the conduct of General Smith could
-not be justified
4iista the opinion of all parties—[hear, hear, hear n
-1-:and if this was the case,
,would the House do its'
duty in.abstaining from expressing that, in thejr cor-
porate capacity, which they all reit itiditid'uailyezi
,•
.By the letters of Sir Jaines Duff, 'it appealed that )14
participated in the offence which final:reed Eonimitted.l
Th. Hon. and Learned Member t(escribed the per•
sons who had been persecuted asthe most illostriodei
of the Spanish nation, and yet they were in-theit dis.
.. cords:mg to abstain from cominetiting
,on theratrocity
of the-transaction, and -suppress their feelings, least,
forsooth, they should lose the alliance of Perdinand.
::riHear, hear, hear!]-.The alliance of the Ley Of
Algiers; the alliance of any of theßarbary Powers,
was more to be desired, than the alliance, of the
usurper Ferdinani—[flear, hear Ile was; jai,.
deed, as great a usnrper as that person o bid prt
ceded hiaw oa the throne of SPain.—tlledr,r, 11"-
Nothing he was suro.conkl operate on the miserable
. *retch of whom he had spoken; bit if the expres.
Ilion of the feelings of free men could induce the op.
pressed people of Spain to rise and destroykim and,
..his tyranny together, he shotild rejoiee, in. tat ei.
pressi on w hick% would redound to the national honour.
. Mr.. BSTIkURiT argued, that it did iv:4 M.
low because an offence was admitted;, tfiat'the
olshment proposed should be annexed tothat offence.
ph his opinion, enough had been already- dose*
satisfy the iestice of the case, ;sod to 'indicate Ali
olinseter of the country ; add, therefOref bethought
spy further proceeding would be eunecestary, and

*Mr ands *se of ttisreepectftii exptissiont_ In Via. : Waesurei Care likely to be Atteuded. with this effect;
ing of the present Spanish Geiretnpalift." !he considered it necessary that • they. oboold express
Mr, HAR'r•DAVIS.said,, *thief tie stailOtt atte.'their sentiniAßl UPOO the subjectin i legitimate wan
tho.higb tone of the Hon. Gentlemen (Xt.. Whit- and, if poseiblei prevent their edoptimi. The Hon.
bread) Would prevent him-front persisting in the Gentleman then entered into an ibis argument to
course which he might think proper;. and he thought prove the injury which would be done to our mantis
•it right•to inform the lion. Gentleman that whenever factures, by au acquiescence in any propositiod .
he aqimadvested oo• any relation of hitt; he would which had for its object the Wiling the price of
not fall to animadvert on that conduct.—[A laugh.] labour, which, an increase in the price of so essen.
.7 . Vt. WIIITI3R,EAD said he had no explanatioh tial an article of food as bread, be contended, would
to take,
•
.- . . - .
. -. . . . inevitably effect.—[Applause.]
Tbe'froifie 06 'divided, Mr. BRAND next rose.—He said, he wits cong-
For the Atkireeesl—Against it 69—Majority 18. dent that the Meeting would, ont and all, feel that
Mr.,IiiINRY MARTIN tiroted for a Return of ! they were not assembled for the discussion .of any
the Names of the Governors, Lieutetiant-Governets, l political question. The real object of their enquiry
Commanders-its.Ghief,,, tad .On, the Staff, in our dif- I was, whether thOlower order of tbe.people ought to
ferehit Foreigo coleniapand Settlements, and of the be protected, and still ''gabled to hate •their bread
Salariespaid to them.-Ordered. ..• " at a reesonafile price or not. Thei landed Ante-
tt "' - I ... ' "CORN LAWS: t test seemed to him to have !unit iti the coarse of
_ ~. 1111,_ LAM larDN iriastod to kalitieftWaillatt Vika ; the late.war, a very usefallessnri, namely, that of
..Aloikaent. (the chancellor of the lizeheottr) Villeo I. tailing ears of themselves.—[Laughter)—They had
"it was Itieipktngitso to. bring on 4the'tglell ttadiatof i takei lidvietage of the hardshipa of the times to
the Clint Bali , , .. . -. . • • '' •'• • 1 ratsedieli rents to an enormous extent, and while
-111•21CIIANCELLOH, of the. EXCHEQUER ~the matauficterers were exposed to every privation, '
salthe sratepeitking the sentiments of a great ova*, I they, to, are a homely ,phrose k 4 their
:I•Titier the Ileseel Whew he ttuttlidtbitt. the BillepolhAt . • irditiel4. 44114 . g'. _. •.• . -
'to ko.qattled thruee's Its future 4fitilltli ittflei inett .! ft atatetti, .ado,;heit patrard:_cai,4kaz act.
dig eh .as possible. •Die eosisi.ooa.iMi44ottlany.f. Aid; 11.60-, Sopa 141/AlshiValid !tor
strWeiond the second reading ' • he hoped, how. 'iilingingialtk-the Most enerelosti, ei -
ever,_the Bill 'Mould Alt ould gorough a Committee on Mon.- they called Upon the fliontO b( beariols!....94lFOrd
.4,41_,xt, ►. ...; • -••• ,• 7,"i ' . • thee .the melba! 'of coutiniii ,114.c4itrim; ~/t)ted -
.
1„ • Mr. LAmErtON.sai4, is the Ritl7triseld pass .been sugikeskkdo hut,ke &tads-
f the y% the House its loss.than a fortnights and with l• this foe inch a stiggestiont Omit . a comrkornise had
'.gyftqprecipitation tt Ofthsid be hipo,adhle for kip toillaso• -entered -into betweep..HO triticeellor
take the my be Kati Wended Of shottip.Caliliritho,l llacivecher and the iptidhkinterelt h '
- - - istridl/40, the'' urea if

of ,t,
-tin, Cm.
Hoe*. •. ~-. . -.• r! :t ' lot r•-,:• .•r, '' '4'
ib' . iserbaitigniffto - ___ 'high bad
?",.
,HUSKISSON. ilia 114 ileeption tire° Bill- oxiitsid i• •Ineib ' discontent as' 'a
resouneretiohlie-
w wets sliest with from the House of Lords poloist i'emtalar sitpport:givest is the House of Commons.—
bed ascertain whether tbe. Bill 04
.bre 941E14 : tut 'lie. 4 lbw ttetel,-84 that as it might, he con•
trough will preciPketlon. , • .4? -. .L/ -,:2,1r., . eldertettlAflipke at p.resittit in *co respecting earn,
' ; wRIT OV RR•RANti MR. tiAkir lay m iii s y. witilekVie, titterer "es' secered) 63,.. lee' qieiter
si
'Ti''ltilv..
creSP.PALEII, bed bo feefortikhe• Rosa Met bittioritieireowiewi 4*. gisticielit for his ptotociloo,
1 reqtrtsted ,their instant attentiOn•ad' the emidebf ofd- .hl '• to his. ormer state of. vine.
i twiatt tbei.g Sfembers, Mr. 'Whitbessadland Mr, -Hart. Ong- ' . Opld,' nti doubt, find a coeteeteet
I.Da *. in.. ilonsequlence of what bad .Ih,fleo from themi - tabour.—[Loud chieril
itti
Jo tleeeeireir of.the debate shot esonipg; and be p - tf.''. illiVietttiti : cided In the general sentiment
4 posiA that Mr, Dail*" Giddy and.lik pike, !VINO', ea pisseeaiby• . gentJetnen who bad preceded him.
I 'built,* dispatched to bring the ally" liiiiitterablet Ug Menke:ft:WA certaiply- work. that, i - farmer
i'1440. own loneedistely •befoto- the -11[114e)". tWeAttey Jaheteld be_ ibtOteCted; but ander aft the ciaCti latices,
his
Might !eke the. sterwesary:useasiirts Air obtiltiink .isailsi theliegiersou *he felt conscientlou y, could
' assurance from these Gentlemen, that they wourdi think rift*Ong the average price ' beyond 7ffs.—
1 tokeet‘ notice out of doors of *lat bad passed in 1 [Here 60Wwas an oniversiN uproar) freel as-idea
1 the Besse that night,: • } which wee imbibed Shot -Me. Jackson 'meat to ad.
k Ai IP, DavitstrGlddy and Mr. C. Wynne accordingly vocato the'agbittionilitablitr'aff. averagectrice—ged Ommodiately ',left the Hodge, and -Seto tied shortly (ha was u"sbil at that Oup.:tirelpiele a hearing."
•-afterepeds with the two Members to quotas,. ' Mi. Istotmoxx wait .Pisrebensive that the sena; '
C Ste ors. were ordered to withdraw ; we on. ,•eilate sist Ms Wortbitrieud were oiitende :t ret ,: ..
1 dersteiel that Mi. Whitbread, eed!'Mr• Oast Davis aced lift. itiLiiesta ghat he &mid ' have ati- . •
poigive ase•oecessary assurances required of them. 'Unity of 'estrlaming them. 'Per his pen liti
.t .Tlte:Hoose then adjourned at peat one o'clock. could agree to 'no alteration In...the Cant LIT* *at-
A `+
. . , COR rif C 1474: .1, -
• '".• - • :,...-• elev. The ceantrybefl)-fortOitifiiJillett buidened
by-the effects of a retsigettriltittpensivie war, and
now that peace had beets ebtelued,..6thiMght It wit
'IMEETIRII OF THE IWHAttitAitTll OF TRU 10-; high time the people should l eek' fOr the enjoyment
1- •_ • - Ro UGH OF SOOTUWARK. - • • ibf plenty. It fell to his IRO° employ, in his alt.
1. 4 Rasiefsition. having hems, itishs. to• the itigki nufactory, a consideralthabgbe r. of,
1./Ifilifirtehbo attroogh,lo Mita* s,pobik WW I% daiieg the fait sit.morith‘ !tom the. partial foiLitc
' for the purptise of tilaksi. Uri Foosiderairon the • breed,. it gave him great 'pleasure to observe those,
question of the Corn Laws) he appointed yesterday , persOns considerably improve in their clothing. This
for that parpose. • I was a proof of- the progressive improvement which
. ,
At one o'clock the Town . 11tH, in -which the i, would result front a diminution in the prices of
Mieting was held, was crowded to excess, and soon food ; and sorry should •he be to see a prospect so
afterwards Mr. CALVERT and- Mr. BARCLAY, the . flattering at once overwhelmrtl by a measure which
two Members, eutered.the Hall, and were received ; would reduce these individuals to their former
with most unqualified marks, of
~pprobation and re. ; wretchedness.—[Applaure.)—The Hon. Gelman, •
,pert. .. 7 .
__ ~.- ' • . in conclusion; passed some high encomiums on the
Mr. nouns, the Deeety .13aillff, in consequence ' Speech of Mr. Catcraft, delivered its the House of
of 'the absence of• Sir %Hilo Lewes) - was 'ldled to Commons the preceding night, and expressed. his in.
ther.kair. . ;• - .4,•": • • • : tention to go down• to-Rochester to move him p vote

unjust... ..
Mr. HORNER. stated,. In. explanation; that he,
did not think the alliance with Ferdinand an Am.
portant; as to induce the House to suppress its in-
dignation upon the transactions alluded to.
Sie. .F. NEWPORT supported the. motion ; and;
(*venation of a motion for this day-se'nnight, upon
the subject of certain transactions in Spain.
Mr. CHARLES WY NNE said, to. Vindicate thj
character of the English nation, it was necessary, bff
their vote, to show that they had no concern, in ,this
outrage against humanity end justice. Much as Ins i
might feel for General Smith and Sir J. DM, he (sit ,
more for the honour of the country.
Mr. HUSKISSON asked, if there was no mirde.
of reprehending the conduct ,of any servant of: the"
ICrown but by a vote of Parliament ? It was agreed,
ion all hands, that what had been done was deserving '
of reprehension, and further enquiries would still
take place. The Honourable and Learned Gentle,
}Man (Mr. Borger) had talked of. the unexampled
efforts of the Spanish nation. Was this the language- I
In, which the Executive was formerly animated by
i
' that Honourable and learned Gentleman and his
friends to prosecute the war in the Peninsula ?
Was it becoming the character of the House of Crania:.
mous to speak of the King of Spain as a wretch"?.?
[Hear, itearn-r-If he knew any mode by Whieti,
without interfering with the internal Government of i
Spain,
the measures of that Government could bet'
I prevented, they would willingly have recourse t01t..1
1 fir. C. WYNNE er,plaiesd.... - -: :
.. ,
...
Mr. J. P. GRANT -seitkredellrilrite Ms Contempt
rand abhorrence of -Ferdinand am Seventh; 'that no
motive could by sufficiently growl° induce hint to
withhold it. Nothing could either be feared from his
resentment or.hoped from his.friendship. He hoped.
that detestable and contemptible tirant might be
driven from his Throne.,
der,. W. ELLIOT thought the House ought not to
separate without expressing their sense of the con:
duct Of. their. Officers. .l
Mr. WHITBREAD, in reply, said he should bil.
unseasonable indeed, were he not contented/OW.lkt

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discussion- which had taken Place that night, in arida
thg conducts:lf General Smith and Sir J. Duff, piittliii
private feelings out of the question, hid been IMJ
vernally reprobated. He had not made any 30414
oparge against General Whittingham. He thooglitit,
'however, an unfortunate circumstance for the liber..l
'ties of Spain, that General Whittingham had had the
command of the advanced guard of the Spanish army.
Ferdinand. dared .not 'to make MS declaration till Ge-
nerld, Whittingham marched, General Copnns would
uot,recAguize him except as head' and part of the Go.
verument which he intended to subvert. He had
'been askftlif he would have had General Whiffing-
ham refuse to obey the orders given him ? lle knew
net .wbat .he would have had General' Whittingliene,
do-, but he. would, tell the Honourable- Gentleman'
(Nir. Hart Davis, we believe,) what other Officer,
had done—they had thrown up their Comtnitistorpt•,
(What Officers? from Mr. H. Davis,) Sir Thomas
Dyer.;, The conduct of General Whittingham left an
impression on the minds of the people of Spain, that
the .Etiglish.Government connived at thy conduct of.
King Ferdinand. In answer to what hub filled froM
.a
Right Honourable Gentleman (Ale.l3llq Adalite
ton) ‘qlio had expressed such anxiety- to' justify his
lendable relationi (Loral Sidnuiethi) be • Wilutillell
. ..

,the

Mr. SOIONOW • DAVIES now presented himself hi
14 Muting, and observed, that after the Meeting
sihieji:haditaken place in that Hall, last year, upon
-thelitiNeick of the Corn Xiews, he did net think
tbe~ would so soon be called Ingather upon the
serrebject. It now appeared, however, that the
lefiniiters had identified themselves with the-Land-
thelders; and for the purpose of suppertieg the in-
terests of-the latter, had propesed to raise the
average of the price of corn to 80s. or, in other
words, to raise the best floor of which bread was
made to the enormous price of 1000. per sack,
and thereby enhance the value of .the quarter,' loaf
to sixteen pence farthing-. This was a circuits:
stance which, called loudly for the remonstrance 01
the people and, therefore; 'he, among ninety.
others, had requested a , Meeting to be convened
(or the purpose of expressing-their sentiments upon
so monstrous . ev proposition. ELoud cheers."--:
He held in his,band the printed R.esolutions whicht
lind lain submitted to the House -ot Commons....
The .two first of these he considered of little import;
but that to which he wished particularly to call
the attention of the Meeting, was the third, in' which
it was proposed to fix -the -price aterhich foreign corn
shoUld be imported into this .otiunirrat'ilOs:--t

of thanks,
1. -Mr. JACISOW was now permitted to explain—he
.said he had not proposed 725.-as a price which ought
. to be fixed, but simply menet to say, that no man,
however anxious fors protecting price, could con-
' sciendously suggest a price beyond that sum. For
hie own part, he was for leaving the markets free and
uncontrolled.--[Applause.]
The first. seven itesolistions were then carried
unanimously, and with the loudest acclamations of
'Applause.
The eight Resolatioe, for .presenting Petitions
to both Houses of Parliatnedt Was next read. It
l'proposed that-these Petitions 'should pray that any
measure proposed for altering the Laws now its.
force respecting Corn might be rejected, until such
time as the relations of •peace and 'miry are firmly
!establithettbetieen -this country and the Powers of
11 the Continent of Europe and America, and until the
lffects Of 'Peace on our commerce may he better seen
nand understood than they now are.
Mr:Kelantan said, he should have liked this Re.
solution' better .if It bad, protested against any
teratiou Coin I:ivrt Whatever, without qua-
lification or refilience,4l to future periods. Mr. K.
Alien proceeded; - an argumentative and ittgenieus

1,...- Ault ........ -___ Ktn. .... is Sit
Tyrant, and exposiOat Pow* irlilchliad- hitherto id '
,that, s t;st-atrocious d I's- Reef. 1 •d ' That ' ' - * ' ' speech, '' " tagainst`the adoption of any idea-
, . , m omens . an rigr . J proceed.' - such a measure was necessary for She protection to conten
been. the boasted' Vrttlelthe'iohitilitioti, end the: ings.had.takan place under the Alien Act. When that of thefawner he denied. As far as the farmer was sure which had for its object an increase in the price
hope -of nations, 'to' the' Seelliclt;O:'ef being parties 1 Act
,pasped, his amiable relation set In the Chair of concerned, he was sure he was satisfied with the pro. of, a main necessary of life, and to prove thit it was
sod approvers tow vain ged cipiicidni ilespotism. ~, ',that Ijouse—after that he became-Primer Minister— fits which,the present prices afforded. It was the: the landholder, And.nott the farmer, who was in.
Mr. W.l'OLE'thettgh ,t the- ionaOit,or petal, after that lie became nothing—[laugh]-.after that landlords, who were interested in this measure; be. •terested in the si4nplinn of, the. Resolutions which
Smith could not ,be justified; fiat 'he tenied.ifat hi
,‘:11e had been iii. and out, *and in and out several times. cause they wished to enjoy the benefits of 'high rents: had eseltecEsochjust indignation. ..
Mon. Friehd MlE.4;odibtrtel had-at all de,eul, .iiWith,,respect to. the pert,,,pieee 6,l„,tiernati who was --[Applause.l-711, was convinced if these persdns: tbkr. COihise, in alluaion to the objection taken
tat conduct.-- He tben 'repeatedarriral, iii*Or . „__Steled to have bean seat to the Brazils, the Right would reduce their preent enormous- renisi that•the to the last gesolutrisq, .stated, that if any alteration
/, to prove 'Hutt She feeifiigior she petsef spoili, A lionearable Gentleman had said, it hii4ht have taken farmer would be satisfied. Twenty years ago the wes.anteoiPlaied by it, it was not an increase of
'
£5 nett sixpence farthing, and • aveer as avonsoevehtlenien ' leenied '.fo rinnppset, ',Place :during the holidays. when he-was away from quartern loaf was sold for ge prices, 'bet Ndeireajle from the price of 635.
%lent!), heetite,,to Ike 'present' Govetnilent._ ,On .towis—he
.hoped
.the Right Honourable Gentleman he would appeal to the judgment of his auditors, which,witsat,preedilt Da14_,,,. Be then asserted, upon
contrary,. •after 'Ferifteiliid•'fiad 'disschved,
,the ;would-be ithle to; refuse the ehdrge,, if not- he:would . whether the.taxes or burdens- had since been so. much , the sidtheAti of the.l.44,okayor,of London, as well .
rips, the people:molt the: mules 'from his. coach, :be obliged; o charge btm,end bring the'slihjeCt .utidell increased as to render it necessary that this' price 'as 'lsliewsi obseriation, that if the average of'6os.
I drew him from' Ariejdiz"to Madrid; because the review of Pealkantent. With respict•to the ternattshould be doubled.—[Cries of .No :]-The opinion'''Wes agreed to, thipcico of thequartern loaf would
.y conceived that 'be had' freettibem from a' Parcel . applied to King Ferdinand, a Right Honourable Geiti,of the-Meetieg was his, end under the. influence of iin a 'Wirt' tliee'eitceediixtecispeoses. Asa proof of the
tyrants, Upon the. whole," He certainly disap. tleman„(Mc. W. Pole) had atosigneditia conduct in', that opinion, he had prepared certain Resolutions i unnatiral rise which had lately taken place in the,
-
;e4 of the conduct of.Ge* eric smith;; and he terms ten times, teote severe than'aity made use of On which be would read. 'he instanced , ' - county of
hi much rather Sir James' Doff bad' not. initial .his-side of the. House [No! froth Mr. IV. Pole]; he 1 Mr, Dairies then-read the Resoluthittit‘ years, had
it letter. To the ba O
te, tt of the Address he had , had even prided himself in finding epithets to stlettie: are the .44ecrlisewent). , within the .
objection ; but l'Waltodld, tide igreelOil,licause tize his conduct. Would to Gad belied passed the I These Resolutions were.receised.with:ibe . per annum ;
thought it unnecelset,l7 %.* ' ' ' r whole of his life as he had. passed it at Valancey; sanoleuse., ' , . this rack-rent ,
i . • re- ...
Alderman C.- SM.IIII/ 'wittglad. diets tiliet :Mu. when he employed himself in embioinerine a muslin , Mr.. Dolta.then read the first Resolutith accept. the
r for Bedford Ha woe t•fhis queition (qr.: gown for the Virgin Mary.--(Liiiigkj—lie assured' Age, fit the purpose of taking the sense , upon having
Honourable Gentleman (lir. fluskisson) big epee it: id, because it would prtieiit-sitnUar occurrences .
fatare. , . the Right
' that he could not be more comfortably situated thin . 'Mr. CrAaws seconded this Resolottom made to the
Mr. H. ADDINGTON defended the 'conduct of he was at present. The Right Hon: Gentleman,. to` 'Pend 'that • the landed interest we* bra
ild Sidmoutb. .
~ asp kis own words, had beets left are *icy tirhii protected at an average muolt lower than
lir. D. WWW.NE-lialty' itequiesceci in' all that
,parting friend, • the Ambassador to Lisbon to the pie. public, he thought, should be protected,
e. heen said against the conduct of Sir ,Tames Duff sent Administration. called upon to eat bread at a price greater than what , . The Petition to the House of Commons was then
NI t.eneral Smiths and suppotted the Address. I Mr. W. POLE appealed to the House if he had It ought to be.—[Applause.]—And as the proposed stad—it was in substance similar to the Resolutions.

the Reso-

priee:ofilairetsii iniatiCed a facet iu the
(for which Kept, Of: • 'c►hi.cb, within 14
paid bit trl;'ts;ll4
.n4erd, but which,
the warmestfoiiiesis','ltrd et for 8001. pi
' • and to feart4riyi... e:ligSdlorld that this
ion a second wo weuld not s
of the meet. iithhnse 14. bat insisted nj
• Iwo boidstien in addit a.
Ire con- Mri1 eis.VElkt igigestri& the, objection tnl
sitilicientlY' in cieeillon by . Kommish,
us SOL' The VA No Amendment having bee proposed,
and not be lotion was agrehd to.