The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-03-31 00:00:00

THE ROYAL HOUSEUOLD BILL.

The none thee resoleed itself into a Committee
ea the Royal Household 13111.
Earl GREY said, he felt it his defy to oppose
this Rill, sod In so doing he wished to guard himself
against mistake, that it might not ►e supposed be
either wished to reward real sorties with a nigprdly
hand, or to provide in a parsimonious manner for
the comfort and convenieece of net venerable Mo.
earth in his afflicted state; but whilst we provided
with an affectionate and fibers' bend for his Msjes.
ty's comforts and accommodation, es bight to do so
with a view to all the economy which the niter. of
the subject world allow, and this attention to ece•
nosey was even recommended in the preamble to the

Bill: And the Noble Lord opposite bad, on a for.
ear occasion, stated, that the death of the Queen
would efford au opportunity for saving a considerable
sem to the Public. The Noble Earl then proceeded
to take a review of the original Bill passed in the
52J of the King, by which it was enacted, that the
whole 100,0001. was to be applied to the went. of
his Majesty, and if any thing remained after all his
Majesty's espenees were paid, it was to go to the ese of
the Civil List; root a word was said of dm Queen;
hut a subsequent enactment gave to the Queen
10,0001. to remunerate her for the additional. expence
to which she was pet by having the ears of the King's
person cast upon her. All former attempts to ob.
tale a reduction of the Windsor Esishlishovent had
failed. On nue occasion, whets a Noble Friend of
his proposed a reduction, a Noble Lord opposite
declared he would not consent to a p•npositinn
which he was convinced there was not a man in the
King's dominions, from the Land's End to Jahn
o'Groat's House, would agree in. And another
Noble Lord exclaimed, " What ! shall I desert
my Sovereign In his distress' who cherished me in
his prosperity ?" Yet these Noble Lords now bad
, changed their opinioa, and for seam reason or other
They were now prepared to agree to a redaction
which formerly they so Strongly opposed ; and now.
to reconcile their change of opinion, they contended
for that which was not the feet, namely, that a con-
siderable portion of the 100,0001. was given to the
Queen Consort by way of dower. This was a posi.
titre which he must agaio deny; and it was Gee now
for the first time originated for the purpose of ea.
casing their having se long persevered in this lavish
espeedltiare. With 'Tepee to the sem now pro.
posed, 50,0001., be bad at first considered it a large
sum. until he heard that greedy noe.third of that sum
would be required In keep up Windsor Castle as a
royal residence ; and here he could not but express
his surprise that this Grant should be charged with
keeping op the police in question. NiThy was it not
defrayed, as the ripeness of keeping up the other

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10d1;17. 16, Otrant-iereet-t T•-•au, Illiktle•row, W
Haitianst keeping op the palace in question. Why was it not before his inth
apothlon. At present there WOO nn:
by the wedrespeclabk Medicine Vellidefe i•elrffy pa -
efra) eu", as the ',peaces of keeping up the other responsible Oilicer about the person of his Majesty, •
beside's. pan dpalaces were, but of the Civil List. The Noble and the Cost°, ought to receive e salary that a re- •
Sr. C. J. lards. label Ai. general apportion,' at ea. Lord then proceeded to comment on the proposed sposeible Officer sight be so outplayed. At peeeessse
Orbit SO tar Public, ta.n be -441 devain boo Attie,
ot 10,0001. to the Doke of York es Coups. should the King be ill-seed, it weeld he intpasalbl•
Royal Claw at' rbysielon. ay mien a vordy dad masa. a Grunt which he should hive
core far every eau Of neiymei refutations &wires. 0.1 fund it sight bale been charged. It had been argued, loyal Person.
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rand MiPegletal.dt erlfirSharititered“,andeemmilynered. !bat this Grant had been made to the Qlseen, to seta wskinig the
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off
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.16.76riiiiiawaiair. al the I.'m Usd*", Fa"' to by her office of Castes ; noir, In his opinion, this he thought that not
head turnpike, R. Ocoee, is the Lett. the•eoentry,
a 'billing sbosld be spout eons.

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• hipg was the last quarter to which the country
11 elk for economy. As there was no reopen-
as. outs. .
f 0,4 (poet about the King he must take the Castes
,u, .d him, and he was not to be deprived of
salary b.,•ati.se he was the King's son. No per-
eon could fora 11:aleot suppose that the Duke of
York was actusta4 LkY any sordid motive in taking
apron him the cure of • •9111
itoyal Tenon.
The Earl of LA I'DEls.. r• 1-" observed, thet the
✓um in qoestion was not a ea.1.1.1' bet an
cation tor 'spent,' that woulu elle‘-'4"617 be ie.
carted by the Covet, and it was not "4`Pr th," he
(heresies so elevated should make out
'Grans nes fully justifiable upon the same pr;wlPle
.that had justified the Grant to the Queen. ble:7,
were of opinion that the Grant would have been pro-
per if made from the Privy Purse. But in his opi-
nion sorts s proceeding would have been a violation
of the rights of private property. The Privy Purse
lied been recognised by Act of Parliament as the psi-
•ste property of the King, and the savings out of it
followed the course of the Common Law. Ile would
ask, whether on the event of the King having con.
tracted debt., such a Grant could be made from the
Privy Purse. A proposition might with equal justice
be made to dispose of the property that had been
left by the Queen to her daughters. Some of the
greatest lawyers of the age had been of prinion, that,
io the nest of no will, the savings out the Privy
Parte would come to the Crown ' • though, in some
of his opinions on that subject, he had the mortifica-
tion to fiad that be agreed with neither side of the
now,. There was meanness in the redactions that
bed been made in the Windsor Establishment, pita.
cslsrlyin throwing 'poetise world some that had served
upon it from 30 to 40 years. Many had looked to
she s:tuations they held there as a provision for their
future days. The details that bad been gone into
were disgraceful to Parliament, sad tended to ender.
mine the dignity of the Crows ; nor could be see
what lion the death of the Queen bed with
the reduction that had taken place. lie should there-
fore support the Bill.
The Earl of DARNLEY thought that the interest
of the Duke of York would have been better con-
sulted, bad be come down to the House, sod in his
place dialled the salary proposed to be attached to
the office. Ile should vote for the proposition of his
Noble Friend.

'Ate Marquis of LANSDOWN stated, that at the
•the closely( the last Session he had observed that the
•redoction of the Windsor Establishment might sup-
gni, the topcoat of the Royal Marriages. At the
commencement of the King's Indisposition, a hope
had been entertained of his recovery ; and in that
view the Royal Establishment had been continued
on the -89,4198 foothig as before. There was then a
good ground for she-eduction of that part of the
Establishment that had been continued coder the
idea that the Xing 'alight recover. If he could
fur • moment suppose, that such a proposal im-
plied any abandonment of the King, be would he
the Stet to lake the ernes of the House in opposi-
tion to it. The Bill before their Lordships was,
upon the whole, a fair arrangement ; but epee the
Grant to the Duke of York, be converted wish
, his Noble Friend (Lord Grey). Bet could the
services of the Duke of York be recognised by
. that House, he should cheerfully vote for any
ossonerstios for those services. it would have been
better that the claim had net been made, though, at
the same time, no doubt could be entertained that
-the duties would be most faithfully and ably dis-
charged. He could not -concur with kis Noble
Friend (the Emil of Lauderdale) that the Privy Purse
wee the private propesty of the Sovereign. At the
commeocernent of the present reign it had merged in
she Civil List, and the separation had originated
from Mr. Betke's Bill. Bot the real question wee,
had Parliament made the Pay', Purse private
.property ? Were that the ease, Parliament could
have ors right to enable the Duke of York to
grant pensions oat of it, and yet Parliament bad
charged the whole expence of the medical attendance
upon the Privy Purse. Parliament lOW that two Privy
Pusses could not esist at the same time, and mead-
isigly the Privy Parse of the Prince Regent was for
lii, sole use. /le could see no impropriety in the salary
or remonstration of the Costes being defined oat of
the Privy Purse. The office could derive no addi-
tional responsibility from a salary bring sneezed to
it, and be should therefore give his negative to that
part of the Bill.
Lewd LAUDERDALE, in esplanlion, observed,
that Parliament might make the same application of
she Privy Parse that had been made by the King, who
always paid the medical attends's,' out of it ; and, in
en doing, Parliament only carried into effect the wilt
of the King.
The LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that the
Privy Purse wag as much the private property of the
X,:ig as the property of any Noble Lord of that
House wee his own. A judicial opinion upon the sub-
ject could only be obtained from Acts of Parliament,
and the point was completely settled by the Acts of
the nth and 40th of the Ktug. By those Acts the
King o as 'gabled to bey estates with the motley, to
sell those estates, and devise them, by will, as his pri-
vate property.—(l/ear'.)—Like private property
they were liable to the payment of his debts, and
subject to legation. The King's recovery was never
to he des-sired of ; and it was bet reasonable that a
principle that applied to the case of the meatiest sub-
ject should apply also to the Sovereign. The Act
gave a personal theracter to the property till the
death of the King ; and by the Act of the 57th, the
private was separated from the royal property.—
Every word in the Act upon the subject declared
the property to be private; tied Parliament in
paying the medical attendants out of it only
slid what the King bad done before—(//ear !)
I o the case of a Costes, the same principle did not
apply to the King, from his political character, that
would apply to a private individual. The Constitu-
tion: bad pronounced that the King should remain
S ign till Isis death, however unable to exercise
the functions of Sovereign power; and in all jedi•
cial decisions, the possibility of recovery was always
supposed, and provision made that the Whigs of the
party should be spared as much es possible open his
recovery. Had the Dake of York accepted the
pike gratuitously, that, in his mind, would have
been an objection to his baring it. 'lke Bill bad his
cordial support.
Lard KlNti abetted to the outober of the Cs-

bioet, sod observed, that eacb iedirid.N Meltber
of it bore only 1.15 th pert of the blame of any of
their measures. Those were the greatest enemies of
the Croon, who brought the question •f grants to
the Royal Family so frequently before Parliament.
Ile should oppose the grant as •nnecessery, though
he approved of the rest of the Bill.

The Marquis of BUTE supported rho grant on the
sun* grounds with the Lord Chancellor.

FAti GREY shortly replied. lie could see no
additional 'spent. incurred by the appointment, and
must therefore oppose the grant. One Noble Lord
had said, that it was impossible to state the es-
pewees; another had said, that he meld easily con-
ceive t►em, though be could net raplain them.-
412 thought, that expellees that could be neither
scat.✓ nnr captained, should not be provided fir by
that
rh,, A.„:41.0 was then nertived without a di.
; mid at As,'"eo'Clock the Ileum adjourned.