The Statesman.
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lANUARi 26. 1821.

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1. d, anaSYDNEY died the Egiffoid !"

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is a coastitutiosal matter. His objection was, to
the calling a Comely Meeting la Haaipshire, after sit
sense of the county bad been saliciestly expressed.
as he thoeght, by as Address Aligned by 9.000 free-
holders, such County Meeting being, is fact, smiling
more than the assembling of a mob, sad at which emit
the County Member could net be heard, except
tbrnugh the protection of the Noble Earl.
The Earl of CA RN ARVON denied that the Couutt
Member was refused a bearing, as he was actaally
heard out the whole of what he wished *my. Us 7
don►tedly there was expressions of disapprobation.
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el;eliflaan ef rights. The object of the-Bill of Pains
and Penalties was to deprive her Majesty of all those
privily's, immunities, and exemptions, which apper-
Weed. to her u {luta Consort, and that Bill being
throws out, of course her Majesty's rights remained
as they were before, untouched end undiminished.
L.M lit/LLANO said, that the Noble Lord might
Imre made up hit mind upon the question as to the
right if the Quoin to have her name inserted in the
Liturgr, that no such right existed, 1. it undoubtedly
there were men high in the law, and others eminent
ia erer , who were of dpinion, that the, ueen had
s a right to have her name inserted in the Li.
AU was, Viserefpre, quite natural that the
aPie
es*tg that her Majesty's same was excluded.
"ChniTy; mid Witnessing besides, that het 1
ill aj es iv was refused a palace, and that no establish-
ment Had hitherto been given to her, that they should I again.. -no
petition for the interference of that House, to have previous meeting, no'exp reuion whatever of opinion.
her Majesty restored to those rights which appertain- upon those topics; in which so large a proportion of
ed to her as Queen Consort, and which had been en- the freeholders of Haute naturally felt so deep an in-
joyeal by all preceding Queen Consorts. serest. It was, therefore, not without the deepest
Lord ELLEN BOROUGH, in explanation, admitted, concern, that he had heard the Noble Duke denorui-
that the question respecting the insertion of the nate the County Meetings a farce. County Meetings
Queens name in the Liturgy was liable to very con- were all essential part of the Constitution. He could
siderable doubt and difficulty. and though he might conceive no policy more unwise than that which
have formed an opinion upon it, he was yell aware would endeavour to put them down, and there was ;s
that it was a question of great delicacy and difficulty. gross inconsistency in now attempting to decry them
Ail be meant to say was, that the Queen's rights as on the part of the King's Government, when amt above
Queen Consort were net at all affected. a year since Meetings were summoned by that rev
Similar petitions from the Bakering Corporation of Government in almost every county, for the purpose
Perth. the Ilammermen of Leith, the Burgh of Ding- of taking jot', consideration the state of public atfaire.
wall, b:c. were presented by the Earl Grey, and order- The Duke of WELLINGTON, in further explana-
ed to lie upon the Table. lion, said, that the Address tb which he hail alluded
Th • Marquess of LANSDOWN presented a similar being so numerously signed, it was /sufficient expre,-
petiiion from Wiltshire, agreed to at a County Meeting sion of the sense of the County, and there was no
convened by the Sheriff, awl which was most twiner- necessity for a County Meeting. As to calling a
onsly and respectably attended. His Lordship ob- County Meeting a farce, he again wished to slisclaini
served, diet the freeholders of Wiltshire had in their applying the term to County Meetings generally, hut
petition expressed that loyalty which they undoubted- only to those Meetings wlt;•re, by the assembling of
ly felt, coupled with the expression of their opinion a mob, both shies, or all sides, could not be fairly
upon the important events passing before them, but beard, and all discussion was is fact prevented by
they had not thought it necessary to deprecate Been- clamour and noise.
dons or blasplientouspnlilications, because in no coon- Lord HOLL:-ND deprecated the expression of any
ty was there a more religious or morally disposed po- sentiments tending to (leery County Meetings. It we-,
Notation, nor was there in any part of it any circuits- therefore, unfair to stigmatise County Meetings ge-
tion of such publications ; nor, as far as he could morally as scenes of clamour and confusion, as it
learn, in the adjoining counties. as seemed through was to them we west look, and might fairly look, fur
extrordinary misinformation to have been supposed in the legitimate and constitutional expressiou of public
the more remote extrenieties of the kingdom. opinion.
The petition was read, and ordered to lie upon the The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, it certainly was
cede ; as was also a similar petition presented by his not his intention, or that of his Noble Prised, to stig-
ilieriship_frons the inhabitants of Devises. statist County Meetings ; all that was meant was, th ,t
'nee Pier of rAIrNARIVIT resented a similar those Meetings in which thane* and tootouloa pie-
Petition from Hampshire, agreed teat a County Meet- wailed, to the exclusion of fair discussion, did aim
ing convened by the Sheriff, and which was most nn- convey a sufficient expression of public opinion.
tnerously and respectably attended. The Petition, The Earl GREY expressed his surprise that
his Lordship stated, was signed by from 7 to 11,000 there should now be such a jealonsy of County
persons, all of them freeholders, or in some way pro- Meetings, when so short a time had elapsed since
prietors or occupiers of land. Ile felt it necessary to they were called for on the part of that Govern-
advert, with reference to this meeting, to the extrior- went which now found out so many objections to theM.
dinary attempt made to prevent it, by a neusbe't of There might be expressions of disapprobation at
persons signing a counter requisition to thee Sheriff, county meetings., starlet what Meetings of any deecrip-
amonget whom were some Members of his Majesty's Lion were there not at times similar expressions, hot
Count its. He rejoiced, however, that this attempt when Comity Meetings were designated as scenes of
bad failed, and that the county had been allowed to clamour and confusion, it would be as well to observs
express its opinion in a legal and constitutional where the greatest clamour and confusion had
rean er. prevailed, and who had been the authors of it.
The Unite of WELLINGTON said, if the Noble It was only yesterday that a Meeting was held at the
Earl meant to allude to him, he thought it right to Mansion-house, of the Bankers, Merchants, and Tra (-
state that he did not sign the ttunter requisition, be- ers of London, sammoued by most respectable intli-
cause he felt that, being a member of his Majesty's rideals. In consequence of the conduct of some of
Government, and being also Lord Lieutenant of the that body, who had endeavoured to assume an exclusive
Comity, it would be improper in bins to interfere for loyalty to shentselves—who were the authors of the
the purpose of preventing a County Meeting. He disgraceful clamour and confusion that prevailed titer..?
must say, however, that he entirely agreed with the Certainly a description of persons very opposite to
counter-requisitionists in thinking it annessary, after these whom the Noble Lords on the other side might
the sentiments of the County had been expressed in be disposed to stigmatise f,r wanting loyalty; all the
an address signed by 9,000 respectable individuals, clamour and confusion were caused by the individna:s
that the County should be again called together; nor who pssumed to themselves to be exclusively loyal.
did lie think in any point of view that the farce of a The Duke of LEINSTER said, be believed his Ma-
County Meeting was at all necessary, or could be of jesty's Ministers were extremely fond of coups de ALE-
' the slightest service. Ire ; but the farce at Dublin, to use the Noble Duke's
' The Earl of CARNARVON said he had not imputed phrase, where the military were called in from the
Ito the Noble Duke that he had signed the counter-re- county ea il, and the meeting dispersed rid arnais, heal
1 qaisition. The Noble Duke had, on the contrary, very nearly ter.uinated in a tragedy. He should short!).
properly declined doing so, for the reasons he had have occasion to call the attention Of thee House to ti.le
stated. But it was signed by Lord Palmerston and by subject.
a Member of the Board of Controul. When, however, The Earl of BLESINGTON wished to say a few
the Noble Duke stated that the sense of the county words upon the subject alluded to by the Noble Duke
bait siftedy been expressed, he felt it necessary to who bad just sat down. The Noble Earl opposite had
istate the fact, that this expression of the sentiments of said, that he bad no objection to county meetings,
Ithe county, merely arose from a circular sent by the where an opportunity was afforded of hearing the ar-
Secretary of the Pitt Club to the Ministers of all the guments which might be urged on both sides, and
ren-
Parishes in Hampshire, calling upon them to obtain tering into a calm, fair, and impartial discussion of
1 the signatures of their parishioners and friends to the public questions. But what was the conduct of the
I address thus seat. He must say, that it was most im- Sheriff in the county of Dublin ? He chose rather to
proper for the Ministers of religion to be thus inter- dissolve the meeting than to hear any opinions opposed
1 feriug in politics, when their sole business ought to to his own.
be, to heal all divisions and dissentious amongst their The Earl of CARNARVON hoped the Noble Dtske
parishioners. Bet to call this address an expression would learn to appreciate better the character of
of the sense of the county, so as to preclude a county English meetings in general, and that he would hot,
meeting, was altogether most erroneous, because it eitliout better information, attempt ter degrade a re.
gave no opinion whatever upon those topics upon spectable public meeting of an English county, by de-
which a large portion of the Freeholders were anxious signating it as la clamorous mob.
les express their opinion, anti it was not without dis- Load ELLENBOROCIIH had certainly heard With
may that be had heard the Noble Duke call the county regret the unguarded expression which had fallen from
gorreting a farce. Was he to understand that such was the Noble Duke, anti if lie hail understood it in the
eke feeling of the King's Government, that the ancient same sense as the Noble Earl, he -*Maid have concur-
"tad constitutional right of the people to meet in their red in the full inearinie of reprobation with which he
respective counties and express their opinions upon had commented upon it. He believed, however, Heat
public affairs, was all a farce? if such were the case, •it was not the intention of the Noble Duke tit apply
the people might in return say, that the proceedings that expreti4iun to all County Meetings, but only to
of that and the other House of Parliament were all a those meetings at which circumstances rendered it
farce. Such conduct was indeed nest impolitic and impossible for the party dissenting from those who
entries, M tending to set the Parliauseetausi *e poo-, called it, to express au opinion.
pie in decided hostility to each other. Thp Fettling was ordered to lie oi tie Table.
IL The Duke of WELLINGTON in explaaaties, said, PECLARATIOS AT S OF THE A
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`he did nut mean to demonstrate County Meetings as a TPA
farce, being well aware that such Meetings were a Earl OftEir rose to put a question to the Noble
art of the Constitution, and that when properly con- Earl oppealtes to which he doubted whether he shouil
\ led, public (+Pinion might be expressed by them succeed is siegolos as oasrer, as be had been *deur-
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but not more than ho had somettniti batik to i
that and the other Reuse of Parliamoat
Ali kJ 461,0411 'fof LAN SO/011tA, 414nrigid. wigs, Ills
Karel to the efeettiee et Mbr:M~Deise. *et ibese
was no necessity for calling the meaty of Haiti toge-
ther again. that in point of fact there had been no
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