The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-04-25 00:00:00

•rnt STATESMAN.

IMPERIAL. PARLIAMENT.
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NOUSE OF LORDS, Arm.Sl.

In the Scotch appeal, the Commissioners of the Caledonian
Coital versus Grant, Mr. Grant was heard for the Appellant,
Sir S. Rnmilly wad Mr. Horner for the Respondent, and Mr.
Leach for the A ellant io reply.—Judgment was postponed to
Wednesday.
The further consideration of the Borthwick Peerage was
deferred from to-marrow (for which day it stood) until
Thursday. _ _ _

Counsel was partly heard on the Writ of Error Case, Sir J.
St. Autiyii ver•iis the Attorney-General of the Prince of Wales.
—Further proceedings on Wedne•day.
The Bank Rettection Bill and the Irish Treasury Bills Bill
were brought up from the House of Commons, and read a first
time.

The Amendments made by the House of Commons in the
Scotch Trial by Jury Bill were takai into consideration, and
agreed to, with several alterations proposed by the Lord Chan-
cellor.

APPEALS.
Lord REDESDA LE submitted to the Rouse a
proposition with respect to the order in which causes
should be heard. They had hitherto been heard in
the order in which they had been entered, but he
thought it more reasonable that one should be heard
from Scotland, then one from Ireland, and then one
from England, and so on till the English and Irish
causes were disposed of; after which they might
proceed with Appeals from Scotland till they were
also finished. He proposed that this regulation
should take effect at the commencement of the next
Session of Parliament.
The Earl of LAITDERDAE thought the matter
ought to be gravely considered before they altered
the order of hearing Causes which had prevailed since
the union between England and Scotland, and moved
for an account of the Appeals which had beets heard
in the course of the two last Sessions, and the order
in which they lied been heard, which was agreed to.
The Proposition was ordered to be taken into con.
sideration this day week.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE postponed his
motion for the second reading of the Liberty of the
Subject Bill from to.morrow till Monday.

.wn game, and at the moment he is TItEATY AT YIENNI.
.pecting to give the last check to his Earl STANIIOPE rose to ask the Noble Earl
opposite (Liverpool) one or two questions. A doers-
ads he hat left his own King exposed
meta had appeared in the public papers purporting
at home : that this may not ultimately
, to be a Treaty signed at Vienna on the 25th of March
our military mania, we cannot pre- I I,ot by and between Russia, Prussia, Austria, and
nor can it be too seriously lamented. Great Britain. He had heard that the Treaty as given
ascendency, it is to be feared, is %e.. in the public papers was riot correct, and he hoped it
,log the very essence of our Constitu.. was not correct, for there was a clause in it which
isactions of Parliament will confirm
! appeared to proceod upon a principle of general
in a little time we shall indeed have 1
I massacre. The first question he had to ask the
, , ,
Noble Earl was, whether he had any objection to
or a House of Commons (as a Member
, produce that Treaty ? and the second was, whether,
1) than merely to register the acts of the it contained such a clause as that to which he had
lament will only be called upon to vote ' alluded ? If it did contain such a clause, it was not
pplies, and the people have nothing ,
only contrary to justice, humanity, and sound policy,;
sailer and obey. These are gloomy but also contrary to law. Those who enrolled them.
' salves for the public service in a military capacity,
Englishmen, who still feel a sincere ; did so upon the condition that they were to fight and •
Merest in the existence of their political die if necessary in the field of honour ; but they did
;ho will still remember that Constitu- not enroll themselves with a view to a system which
.he law by which this country is to be would expose them to be murdered so cold blond,
hat military ascendency ought never when taken prisoners. This was, besides, contrary
to soar above, or to go beyond it; . to-the laws of war between civilised nations. It was
also contrary to the express laws of this country, the
tud jealous eye is therefore neces- statute 11th Henry VII. having enacted that no one
_ every measure that tends, but in shot.ld be punished for adhering to a King de facto,
degree, further to increase the already whether he was a King de jure or not. No Minister;
ive influence arrising from our gigantic of this country had a right to make a Treaty with a
blishments. 64 What," says my Lord foreign Power contrary to this law : but this was not.'
wheuever En land should take only contrary to the laws of man, but to the laws of
g
God.
nog the great military Powers of the The Earl of LIVERPOOL had on objection to
hat moment she would cease to be a.' state, that a Treaty had been signed at Vienna on
; whenever you determine on such a the 25th of March, between Austria, Russia, Pres-
iy kerp up the forms of debate, but their sia, and Great Britan ; and he had also no objection
!he %%odd will be gone for ever."—(See to state, that as he had seen it given in the papers it
was not correct in the point to which the Nobli Earl
ell. 21, 1815.) had adverted. As to the production of the Treaty,
Iry influence is seriously and openly the Noble Earl knew that the principle was not to
our councils, we have a memorable produce a Treaty, till the exchange of the ratifica-
celebrated Declaration at Vienna, where Lions. In this particular instance, however, if any
four persons,whose signatures appear on Noble Lord should move for a copy of the substance
treat Britain, are great military cheese. of the Treaty, he should not be disposed to object to
the motion. He would take care that the substance
:orbitant military power has effected the be fully and correctly stated.
regular governments, history affords us Earl sTANIIOPE.—A Noble Marquis (Douglas)
iples; in contemplating its effects in other near him informed him that it had been granted i*
. should learn and study to avoid them the Commons. so the best way was to move now for.
o—the monarchy of Great Britain was a copy of the Treaty, and he moved accordingly.
Earl of LI V ER.POOL.—For a copy of the sab.
restored by an army. stance of the Treaty.
)w arrived at a period, or political crisis, . Earl STANHOPE.—WeII, let's have the seb.
imes not n:rrely criminal, but little short stance correctly, and I don't care whether it be a
for men lightly or unfaithfully to die. , copy or not.—Motion agreed to.—Adjourned.
public duties ; the country's safety and'
s.elfkre are not to be sported with ; let
tie in mind that England expects every
duty, and not in arms alone, but in
'tment of the state; from the Prince to
!he Field-Marshal to the private soldier,
ugh Admiral to the cabin boy; Judges,
,or Secretaries of State; Commissioners
'les, all have their duties, and the duties
le offices of public trust and emolument,
I as arduous, and are more important to
inn the duties of thosein arms,to whom the
tle invocation was first made; and unless
.y and diligently perform them, they as
he pains or penalties that are attached
malilv, as would follow the dereliction
ly in a naval or milker), officer; reason
I icy impose it—impartial tuitional jus-
t. If we should apply this doctrine to
mbassatiors, Commissioners, or Com-
country, it is feared, would find it
ious ground for complaint. You are
hat this subject is capable of much en-
out, for the present, I remain,
Your very obedient servant,
PHOCION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. DM:DALE presented a Petition from Birmingham
against the InsG'vent Debtors' Act.—Ordered to lie on the
table.
Mr. Harris brought to the bar an account of the duties on
Coals and Girders brought to the port of London during the
year 191 I.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. ROM NSON moved for leave to bring in a Bill to make
provision for culprit negroes in the Colonies between the time
of their being taken and previous to adjudication.—Leave
granted.
. Mr. BARHAM moved for leave to bring in a Bill for better
securing of Pun hasers of Lands and Tenements ander the De-
cern of Courts of Equity.—Leave given.
Oa the motion of Sir J. SHAW, the Post-Office Bill was
orderd to be read a second time so Wednesday se'noight.
TREATY OF VIENNA.
Mr. WIIITUREAD moved an Address to the
Prince Regent, requesting that be would give orders
to lay before the House any treaty or engagement en-
tered into by his Majesty's Ambassador at the Court
of Vienna with the Allied Powers, on or about the
25th of March last, and also any observations there-
on explanatory of the views of his Majesty's Go.
ternment, with the dates of such treaty, observe-
lions, &e.
Lord CASTLEREAGIU, after protesting against

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this being drawn into a precedent in future, which
might cause many disadvantages to his Majesty's Go-
vernment and to the public interest, assented to the

motion. The Treaty, be observed, was not yet in a
ratified form, but might be considered as binding on
all the parties.
Capt. BENNETT, in the absence of his Right
Honorable Friend (Sir J. Newport), and on his
aceoent, rose to move for a Call of the House of
which his Right Honourable Friend had given notice.
He said the present state of Europe, and the great
number of important matters which claimed the at-
tention of the House, and particularly the Bill for
reliving the Property Tax, against which there had

Ov the Gth inst. the Portsmouth mail was robbed
Isaluahle parcel, which was supposed to have
done by an,eutside passenger, though it was se-
`M under under the seat of the ,coachman.
^bother case of Criee..Ces. in high life was the
Or conversation yesterday-. AVe are not in
"''`innof particulars sufficieat to hint at the Cop-
s fare% tit to his adored.

been more Petitions than had ever been presented
against any measure that was to engage the attention
of the House, required that all the Members who
were not prevented by illness, or other unavoidable
misfortunes, should be present. Those numerous
petitions, indeed, more than any other cause, ren-
dered this motion the more necessary, because it
would thereby enable the people to ascertain which
of their Representatives attended to their complaints,
and which did not attend to them, but in direct op-
position to their sentiments supported a measure that
had been shown to be so universally odious and ob.
noxious to the whole mass of list people. Ile con-
clitded by moving " that the Rouse be called over on
Monday next."
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, be agreed entirely
with the Honourable Gentleman, that considering
the present state of Europe, and the many important
subjects which stood for the discussion of that House,
there ought to be as full an attendance of Members
as could he obtained; and he, therefore, should rea-
dily agree to the motion. lf, however, lie might be
permitted to ask a question of the Honourable Gen-
tlemen on that side of the House, be should be glad
to tnow why the motion, which he observed by the
order hook stood for Thursday, was postponed to
Monday ?
Mr. HORNER said the answer would be prompt.
An Honourable and Learned Friend of his (Sir J.
' Maikintosh) was already in possession of Thurs-
day for his motion respecting Genoa, and it was,
therefore, determined to take the next open day,
which was Monday.
Lord CASTLEREAGH then asked, if there was
I not a motion for Monday ? •
! Mr. HORNER answered, no. Monday was not
a notice day, and his own motion respecting Naples
stood for the day following (Tueaday).
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the second reading of the Property Tax Bill.
He observed that he thought the best way of disposing
of it would be to read it a second time to-night, that
it should be committed on Friday, and that the dis-
cussion on the Bill should take place on Monday on
the third reading, when the Call would take effect.--
That was assented to, and the Bill read a second
time.—To be committed on Friday.
The Report of the Scotch Records Bill was re-
ceived, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time
to-morrow.

ALIEN RILL.
Mr. BATHURST moved that the Alien Bill should
be cpmmitted.
On the question that the Speaker do leave the
Chair,
Capt. BENNEIT objected, because he thought
the Bill.wis hurried through the House, and also be-
cause there was no resemblance between the situation
of this country at the present period, and that in
which the measure was first introduced in 1792. He
believed the enemy derived more information from
our own Newspapers, than ever they did from fo.
Feigners. He mentioned a case which he understood
had lately happened, where several Italians (we think
he amid seventeen or eighteen), who resided in Suf-
folk-street, had been all sent out of the cp_utttry,
merely because there was among them a Gentieitiati
named the Chevalier Stocco, some 'ears since a kind
of agent to Marshal Murat, the King of Naples.—
; Perhaps the Noble Lord at the head of that depart-
.; ment might wish to get rid of him by sending him away,
' fear he might he in possession of any of that cor-
respondence that had been so much talked of. Many
poor foreigners had been shipped off on various pre-
tences •' some, he believed, for the heinous offence of
having fallen in lore with their masters' daughters.
He saw no reason for entrusting Ministers with ex-
tensive powers, and, therefore, objected to the Speaker
leaving the chair.
Mr. BATHURST said, that when he first opened
the Bill he had informed the House the Bill was al-
most verbatim the same as the last ; and if it wee
proper at all, it was requisite it should pass with as •
much speed as possible. The House had authorised the
Prince Regent to place the country in a state of de-
fence as to its fleets and armies, sad surely they
ought to arm the civil power with sufficient authority
to guard against such persons as might be sent into'
the country for the worst purposes and might be pro-
decifive of much mischief. He hoped, therefore, the
House would agree to go into the Committee.
Lord A. HAMILTON said there was a great dif-
ference between the present Bill and that of 1792,
because we were then at war with almost all Europe,
and now we were in alliance with them all except
France. He objected to granting such extensive
powers, which had been abused in the case of Mr.
De Berenger and others, and, therefore, should op-
pose the going into the Committee.
Mr. H. A DDINGTON begged to say a few words.
He said there were more than 1600 foreigners had
arrived in this country since the return of Bonaparte
to Paris, and the greatest part of them under pass- I
ports from the present French Government. It was
scarcely credible that among so many loyal French-'.
men as should at this juncture be eager to quit
France, the French Government woold ont send I
some of their own emissaries; and he did not speak
from light information, when he told the House, that i
several persons had been sent hither for the express
purpo,se of purchasing arms for the enemy. He had
; some apology to mnke to an Honourable Gentleman
for having come into House while he was speaking,
and there was part of the Honourable Gentleman's
speech respecting some Italians in Suffolk-street,
which he was just concluding, and which he would be
I obliged to him to repeat.
Capt. BENNET l' re-stated what he had said.
Mr. H. A,DDINGTON declared he bad not heard
one word of the circumstance.
The Bill then went through a Committee, and the
Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
CONIMITTLE OF SUPPLY.
The CHANCELLOR of ,the EXCHEQUER
moved, 'that the House should go into a Committee I
of Supply, and that the Navy Estimates and several
iniscelleueeus services should be referred to the said
Committee.
When the Speaker left the Chair,
Sir G. WARRENDER said, he did not propose,
in the first instance, to go into detail on the subject
of the Expenditure of the Navy ; but should be
happy to answer any questions that might be put to
him. The two great heads of the account sere— j
1 the 44 Fleet afloat," and the " Civil Service." In

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the first, in consequence of the altered state of of-
I fairs, there was a reduction of 930,0001. en thd
amount of the last year. In the other division of
the "Civil Service," one of the chief items was the
Half-pay, which had been eugmehted by three cansesi
I. The increased number of persons to whom it had
been extended ,• R. The regular augmimlatiois of the
half-pay; 3. The extensive Promotions that bad'
been made in very meritorious deprtment; of the
service. The additional rewards given to Sailors;
Marines, and Midshipmen, who were to he always
employed, if they were so inclined; was also an id+
ditibnal charge. The whole increase in the Half-
pay department was 436,0001.—The nest important
diviston.was, the Building and Repair of Ships. fit
the King's yards it would not be expected that there
should he a great reduction, but in the Merchants' •
yards it ascended to 406,0001—The estimate rbf
great Public Works, such as the Break-water itt
Plymouth Sound, and others, had been lessened td
the extent of 200,0001.—Under the existing circurns
stances of the country, he should feel himself under
the necessity of requiring a vote of 20,000 additintiai
Seamen and 5000 Marines.—The whole Naval Expert-
d;ture of the country of the last years compared with
the year preceding, stood thui t
The cute:. for 1814
Those for the presehtt were i 1'1,46,178

• 111..kinc a reduc►itln of 4,915.631
He hoped that the House mould consider this states
ment as giving a satisfactory •iew of our offairs,
especially when it was known that the rtnifal :aI2IIOS
of this country had never been so extettidve, or of
such ready application, at any former period. He
concluded with mosing a Resolution for 25,000 Seas
men and Marines.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY referred 16 tarioin item. 1d '
the Estimates, such as, " Parish Ditties, fount's,
Taxes, and Contingencies, 50001."—" Firing end
Contingencies, 10,0001." &c. and required some ex:
planation as to their sweeping amounts. It was t
little singular, that in all the yards, Deptford, Plya
mouth, and others, tl►e incidental expences were in-
variably estimated at a round sum of 10001. or 5001.
He also begged to know, why general estimates had
not been formed for some of the Public Worksy• ins
stead of proposing sums from time to time td tarry
them on ?

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Sir G. WARRENDER that.the prepala
ration of distinct general estimates had on!, been the
practice since msny Public Wrks had been Com.
menced. For other esplanationsj he teferred the-
lion. Baronet to Mr. Croker.

Mr. GOItDON repotted the question respecting
the round sums for contingencies, and asked why
5001. was charged for the Inspector of Telegraphs,
when the telegraphs had, been destroyed? lie also
observed upon the manner in which old stares were
sold, frequently greatly under their value, in conse.
quence of mismanagement.
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• Mr. CROKER replied, that the round sums Were
"charged for contingencies, not as the precise amount,
but as the estimate formed upon the charge of the
last year. The charge for the Inspector of Tele.
graphs was made, because the accounts only came
bumf to the 31st December last, to which lime the
telegraphs yi.isted ; they were now in the act of
and being •
reheik, d would be ready for use ta. a few' dayti
He assured the Honourable Member," that tin etil
stores were always publicly and fairly sold to the
I highest bidder.
Sir M. W. RIIMET thaught that there-could- he,
no objection, on the other side, to producCor 44' •
tain general estimates of the Public W •rlts 6(0;
Mr. W. SMITE! adverted to the charge of goy.
for the salary of the Paymaster of Widows' Pendent,
He thought this charge very exorbitant, and rithet
as the provision for an individual than is the pay•
' ment for the discharge of duties. It seemed the
more excessive, when contrasted with. the :ala'ry of
the Astronomer, a man of learning and science, eh-.
only received only 2921. a year, and 1001. for an
slitant. Ile also called the attention- of the Commit. '
tee to the sum of 120,0001. laid out upon a Navel
j Hisplial at Yarmouth, calculated to receive 500 pa-
, Ceuta, whenever since its construction not more than.
70 on the average had been accommodated in it.
I • Mr. CROKER said the Widows' Pensions were
paid under an ancient charity, as old as the time of
George the Second ; these pensions were paid to all
widows of Officers and Warrant Officers. The pay.
mews had been paid by the per centage out of these
pensions, and the salary of 6001. a year had been
granted by Parliament instead of This salary 'was
pitid out of the produce of old stores. As to the
Hospital at Yarmouth, it had been built at a time
when there was a prospect of a war in the North
Sea. The saving both of men and mon.y was im.
mense when there was a regular hospital, so that

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there was no ueed of having recourse to temporary
expedients.
Mr. GORDON observed, on the injudicious
manner in which the sale of old stores were pressed
forward, so that there had been instances where the
cables were sold for a less sum than the espence of
taking out the King's mark (which was done at the

expence of Government) would amount to. He
%vas surprised that at the time when the Estimates had

been drawn up, when there was a prospect of a toeg
peace, no reduction had been made in the Victualling
and Navv Board Establishments.
Mr. BENNET!' asked whether the eipences of
Captain Usher had been paid, and whether any pen.
sion had
.been settled on that Officer for his wounds ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that a satisfactory
arrangement had been made on the subject of Capt.
Usher's ensues.
Admiral'HOPE said, that the pension of Capt,
Usher kid inn proportioned to his rank, when his
wounds were received.

Mi. W. SMITH said, in explanation of a remark
which he had made on a former occasion, on the
sum of 6001. in the estim ties which were stated to

he the sum paid for convening Marshal Blucher from
Dover to Calais. 1k had learned that this snm was

the expence of the passage not only of Marshal
Blucher, but of the Duchwis of Ohleniirgh,
Prince Royal of Wirtembets the Russian end
Prussian Ambassadors. Gen. Tont, Awl 'Meng
other Generals, with all (heir slifos.
Mr. PONSONBY said, that Cdptain itite,"Mr
conveyed these personages, had made moral Mils;
would be considerably a loser, instead of Wiwi over.

paid by 6001. -
Mr. CROKER observed, that no redaction h ct