The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1842-07-22 00:00:00

THE LITERARY AND SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION

The MAY OR presented a memorial from the Secretary of
the Committee of the Literary, Scientific, and Commercial
Institution, St. Anne-street, in which it was stated that they
were involved to the extent of £240, and wished to submit
their case to the consideration of the Council.
Mr. BOLTON said the corporation had no funds at com-
mand, and that every institution should support its own ob-
jects.

- Mr. PARKER strongly supported the prayer of the me-
morial, and observed that the institution was not based upon
political grounds, but that it stood upon neutral principles,
which was more than any other institution in the town could
say.

Mr. FREME said, the infirmaries, the dispensaries, and
many other societies in the town had no political objects in
view.

Mr. YATES said, there was a positive rule in the Mecha-
nics' Institution for the prevention of political and sectarian
principles. (Ironical laughter.)
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said that the Finance Committee
had no money in their possession.
The memorial was referred to the Finance Committee.
CLOCK IN THE NEW SCOTCH CHURCH.

The MAYOR read a communicationfrOWiir7John Tur-
ner, secretary of the Scotch Church, now being erected in
Scotland-road, suggesting the utility of having a clock
erected in the front of that building for the accommodation
of the public, at the expense of the Council.
Mr. AIKIN moved that the communication be referred to
the Finance Committee; and said that the clock was in-
tended, not for the accommodation of the congregation, but
of the public.

Mr.'PARWER objected to any appropriation of the public
money for the erection of clocks in any building not in con-
nexion with the established church. lie said that if the cor-
poration had any money to spend upon clocks, the want of
one in the front of Trinity Church was much felt.

Mr. EARLE said a serious question had arisen, as the clock
might possibly not go correctly if it were put up in the
Scotch Church, that not being in connexion with the Church
of England. (A laugh.)
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said there weJe two clocks already
in the immediate neighbourhood of the Scotch Church, one
at St. Martin's Church and another at St. Martin's Market.
Referred to the Finance Committee to report on.
MEMORIALS.

The MAYOR read a memorial from Mrs. Moseley, a pub-
lican, in Circus-street, in which she complained that nine-
teen panes of glass had been broken in her window on the
12th of July, although she had no club-lodge in her house,
and had not exhibited any colours. She prayed that the
Council would grant her some compensation to meet the
loss sustained.

The TOWN-CLERK said that legal opinions had been given
upon this question already, the consequence of which had
been that the Council were obliged to refuse other applica-
tions of a similar nature.

Mr. BOLTON said, that if the present application were
granted, the Council would have to pay for all the broken
windows in town. (A laugh.)
The MAYOR read a memorial, numerously signed, from
the inhabitants of Tithebarn-street and Vauxhall-road,
in which they complained of persons who were in the con-
stant practice of exposing their goods for sale on the para-
pets. Referred to the Watch Committee.
The MAYOR read a memorial from Mr. Thomas Chalmer,
of Mansfield-street, surgeon, praying that his son, Hamer
Gaskell Chalmer, might be placed upon the list of " old and
independent freemen of the borough, who had always been
conspicuous for their loyalty and devotion to their Queen
and country." The opening sentence read as follows :
" Your memorialist having himself seen and heard his fa-
ther speak of the high esteem in which the old freemen of
this town were held by all the nation, and that they were vi-
sited at intervals by divers and sundry great men, to wit—
noblemen, statesmen, and generals in the army, who took
great delight in their company, and conferred many favours
on them, and visited them, not only in their own houses, but
shook hands with them in the public streets, and drank with
themw. at their houses of resort in the evenings; and that they
awayhispeted words of comfort in their ears, and sent them
with joyful countenances ; and that they were highly
rights in his esteemedcoaches, by their neighbours, and frequently rode in
not Obtsiaond seldom lacked employment when others could
tow ; and that they paid no tolls in the market or
nes
of these • ;ityour memorialist, feeling deeply the deprivation
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own person, desires to procure these
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QUESTION.—MR. YATES'S MOTIONS.
following motions,cre next subject on the paper was the
Which Mr. Yates had given notice
the acts of religions turnittee be appointed to inquire into
:
stop:rsecution, alleged to have been com-
mitted by Mr. R.
Catholics and Dissenteer; in
and teach the church cateChlordering the children of Roman
the corporation schools, to learn
he be found to have done SOIBnI and to go to church; and if
y perst,itz inquire further, whether he
to inquire whether he neglected was instructed by an
persons to do so ; and also
his duty in the manner
leged,al-
and that the evidenee taken be laid before the council.

Mr. PARKER was much pleased that Mr. Yates had altered
the motion, by withdrawing from it the words " religious
persecution." As a private individual he esteemed Mr.
Yates; but, standing there as Mr. Yates did, a political and
religious partizan, he (Mr. Parker) felt himself at liberty
to use expressions towards him which he would not have
done in private. He had made a very grave charge against
the Education Committee ; and upon what evidence ? Why,
upon the evidence of a discarded servant, Mr. Taafe. It
was preposterous to think of acting upon it. The Education
Committee were gentlemen of high standing, and selected
by a majority of the Council; and, until the question was
taken up on different grounds than those advanced by Mr.
Yates, he (Mr. Parker) should oppose it.
Mr. JOHN SMITH strongly urged the necessity of a fair
trial being made of the existing system. He should oppose
the motion.
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said, the charges which Mr. Yates
had urged against Mr. Stone were unfounded. The had also
met Mr. Yates in respect to Mr. Stone's duties, for he now'
kept a record of his time.
Mr. YATES said, he would then withdraw the motion
relative to an attendance book.
Mr. HODGSON defended the Education Committee at
great length, contending chat in bringing these charges Mr.
Yates had surrendered his judgment to his predilections.
There bad been no persecution either of Dissenters or
Roman Catholics. The Education Committee had merely
acted upon the principles adopted by the Council, which
were those of the truth ; and thongh toleration was allowed
there was no persecution. He was as much an advocate as
any man living for education, but he would have it built on a
right foundation. Where it was not based upon a right
directing power, it was arming a wild beast, giving a power
to destroy, setting up infidelity, and putting aside all moral
restraints. He took the Bible for the ground on which to base
education. The only sure ground by which you could bring
content in the cottage of the peasant, and honour in the
palace of the king, was the will of God, as it was revealed to
us in the Scriptures. That was the principle adopted by
the Education
.Committee, and that, he would boldly
maintain was the truth. Mr. Hodgson concluded by ex-
plaining that Mr. M'Neile had not recommended Mr. Stone
to the Education Committee, but had merely given him a
good moral character. Indeed the reverend gentleman was
out of town at the time.
Some further discussion having taken place,
Mr. YATES replied denying that he had gone about to
obtain information, either clandestinely or surreptitiously.
He just asked how the Catholics were employed when the
Protestant children were saying their catechism ?
Mr. MOLYNEUX said, he had at first suggested that they
should read a chapter in the new testament. He found, on
one occasion, at one of the girl's schools, that the Catholic
class had been reading a small book on the soul, to which
he had made no objection.
Mr. YATES said be was glad to hear that the children were
employed in a manner less objectionable than that of learning
what was oppoised to the faith in which their parents wished
them to be ed. h:ted.
On a division the numbers were
For the amendment.. 26
Against it.

LL
Majority —ls
The amendment was consequently declared to have been
carried. The following members voted in the division :
For the amendment—Councillors.—Messrs. Shand,
Hodgson, I. Holmes, Blundell, Sands, Rae, Cooper, Wood,
Birkett, Gladstone, Bushell, Kilshaw, Parker, Brassey, J.
Smith, G. H. Lawrence, Trotman, A. Smith, jun., Har-
bord.—Aldermen.—Messrs. Houghton, Nicol, Griffith,
Bramley-Moore, Crook, and the Mayor.
Against it.—Councillors.—Messrs. Preston, Bolton, Aikin,
Bright, Yates, Jordan, Mather.—Aldermen.—Messrs. Holt,
Freme, Evans, Barclay.
Mr. Yates moved, in lieu of the next clause in his motions.
" That compensation be granted those apprentices formerly
in the Corporation Schools, whose term of apprenticeship is
not yet expired." Mr. Yates read a memorial from the
parents of the apprentices to the like effect.
Mr. Bright seconded the motion,
The TOWN CLERK said the Council had no legal power to
make such compensation.

As Mr. G. H. Lawrence had stated that Mr. Stone did
keep such a book as that named in the motion, Mr. Yates
said he would not go into that part of the subject. Mr. Har-
bord said Mr, Stone did not keep such a book. It appeared
that Mr. Lawrence had misunderstood some expressions of
the Chairman of the Education Committee. Mr. Stone it
appeared has been requested to keep an account of his time,
not in a public but in a private book of his own.
Mr. Yates said, he would satisfy himself with having called
the attention of the committee to the subject, and would
leave it in their hands.