The Statesman.
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THE STATESMAN.

as, individually, for incomes at the rate of (2 or Lakes, and other points of that nature. As it etas the Court. trbe *re asked what tax coati] be sittsti.-
3(4).91. it-year, from the style inwhich they lived, and boast and eery of this Constitution, that the people auted, be could •reply, that to suggest measure's of
the ardearances they kept up. The period of peace bad a right to assemble and express their opinion to anatice was not his business, unless he; received the
bad wow arrived, and after hating severely endured their Representatives, he thought that no time ought emblatnents and honours of .a Chancellor of Ole Ex•
the etas of war, after having patiently borne those bur. 7to be idot bqt that in the present recess of Perlis. oheqeer ; it was hot fair to call on. him to 'propose ,
then, which the necessities of the time imposed, they ment there should be public meetings every where new taxes, and he confessed. that the Ministers lel.
had now a just right to look forward to a relief ito express the sense of the people as to the new dom needed any assistance of that kind.—[4 lough.,],
from their taxes. No scheme, however, had yet been • demands made on America by our Ministers.— ! The Resolutions were agreed to by a most nether.
intreduced to *accomplish that end ; nothing was . The public should consider whether those objects ; sal show of bands, without any opposition.
held out that promised the accomplishment of it ; were worth the people of England burthening them., A Petition was also agreed to, embodying the Re-
but, an the contrary, an intimation that our hurthens selves with the evils of war and the Property Tax.— solutions, and ordered to be presented by the Sheriffs
_ would be continued. Now, therefore, was the time .He was by no means for weakening the hands of ito the House of Commons.
for the people to speak, as Parliament would not re- Government at the present crisis: but ho wished that It was likewise resolved, that such Members of the
mire any petitions against a Money Bill when once ! the people of England should declare as one man, the Court as were Members of Parliament should be re.
brought in ; it was their bounden duty to do so; and opinion of the country with respect to the grounds quested to support the said Petition.—Adjourned.
if the whole people would stand forth with one voice on which the American war was now continued.— 1
and one heart in the cause, where was the Minister • He thought it impossible to continue the American
who would 'dare to persi-t In defiance of the univer• war, without continuing the Property-Tex, or laying
sal appeal i—[llear, should not trouble. on other taxes which would be equally oppressive.
the Court with any more observations, but should He would wish that the Court would express their
submit to it a series of Resolutions (for which see willingness to support the Government in the war,
Alvcriisemeni), which he trusted would meet with 'if it was the maritime rights of thiscountry that were
its concurrence, as be had carefully worded them ac- the real object of the contest; but if It was really
cording to the ilentical expressions almost, used on to be carried ou for the propositions made by our
a former occasion. If the Court adopted them, he Ministers to America, he thought the country should
• should offer to its notice a Petition to Parliament, ',not support them in a war haviug such an object.—
grounded, in substanie, upon the said Resolutions. ! As to the conduct of Mr. Fox upon this tar, be
lie then addt:d, that his objqction, as an individual, • thought it had been much misunderstood. It was
wac to the principle of the tax, and that he should against the principle of the tax, and not the amount,
equatty eppose it were it reduced to one per cent. as that Mr. Fox protested. When he afterwards
' a pots violation of personal liberty, in this boasted came into power, and found this tax existing, and that
• littitf Of freedom. the Couotry had still great exertions to make, he

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PRENCIL PAPERS.

VIENNA, Nor. -24.—The march of the present
negociations resembles in nothing the usual marci of
diplomacy. The presence' of the Sovereigns, and
the interest they take themselves in the most import-
ant decisions, often produce unexpected results, of
which persons do not yet perceive the connection
r with ether public declarations. It is by one of these
r incidents that we explain the contradictory reports
relative to Saxony. Persons acquainted with the
English legation say, that Lord Castlereagh still op-
' poses the definitive incorporation with the Prossisit
11' Monarchy ; he gives his consent only to a proTisional
military occupation, and the estrangement re-

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We hove Paris Papers to the• nit lat, sods
vices from Vienna to the `2sot oti. a riei,`
Papers openly confess that tile Committee fbri
Congress, charged with determining tho fate of
land, Saxony, &c. appear confounded at:tliediliji
ties which arise; and common sense
.k airoostii
founded at hearing such an asseition, whet' a kilo,.
boy, one would think, would be able-to point
the proper line of conduct, the restoration .tra't
lawful oksnors of the disputed property. ET,
attempt to persevere in the unjust principle of
voting themselves on the ruin of other

Mv.AldermanWoon seconded the resolutions. Af-
ter the observations that had been made by his worthy
friend, and kno ing, as he dill, what was almost the
unanimous feeling of the Court upon this subject,
he should confine himself to stating a few circum-
stances which had come within his own immediate
' observation. In the ward in which he lived, he
knew that.% house, rented for the purposes of trade
at, one or •two hundred pounds a-year, was rated
• kigher tai er& this_tax, than the house of many a
• Nobleiman, or great landed proprietor,who could en-
' votain fifty guests a-day, He knew a man, who had
' speculated largely in shipping concerns, and who
proved clearly before the Commissioners, that he had
lost near sixty thousand pounds. The Commis-
sioners were at first satisfied with his return, bat it
appearing, that although he had suffered so great a
loss on this part of his property, he had derived some
profit under another head that was marked schedule
B, a case was submitted to the opinion of Counsel,
whether he was not liable to pay upon that schedule.
The lawyers' opinions were, that he was not liable,
as having lost instead of gained. The case was then
referred to the Judges, by the Inspector, Assessors,
Ste. and, before any opinion was given, an extent
was issued against his property, by which 2,5001.
was taken from him. He was himself so thoroughly
ronvinced of the evils and oppression of this tax,
that not only in the City of London, but in every
part of the country where he had the smallest in.
!lance, h., would exert all his power to procure pe-
titions against the renewal of it.
Mr. S. ntsom said, there was no person in that
Coin wbo more. anxiously wished to see the Pro..
petty Tax repealnA than himself, but, at the same
time, the difficulties of the country must be candidly
tedmitted, and it that were abolished, where could
they find resonrces for defraying the expences of Go.
vernment? Me did tint know any article of any
description tint:cool.) btoseen-eicerease of duty. He
suggested the omission of that part of the Resolution
which seemed to ireply 'that it was the intention of
GGwernment to continue the tax, and .whether it-
would not be better to defer any interference till
the matter came before Parliament.—{Cries of no,:
The RIENEMBILANCER, ohtlerved, that no Petition*
gloat a Money Bill would .be received by

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increased the amount of the tax, in order, by the re- t satin to that occupation is not an act of Con- I the
uncertainty. The hope of Congress bei
determining powers deeper and deeper in difets
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storation of Peace, he might get rid both of the tax , gees it is simply a Couvention
of
the four I
and .)'
ily opened in the formal or auspicious mannerat &it
ne Weed.
and the principle of it. The argument against the ! Powers who signed the Treaty of Chaumont, who
principle of the tax, as applied to trade, was, that it were to occupy with their armies the conquered or
invaded the privacy of trade and commerce, and ; delivered countries until the Congress had settled I expected, seems to have vanished. There are law
obliged honourable men to make disclosures which their fate. This declaration, as simple as it is essen- 'particulars of interest in the fullowiog expatiate
might be ruinous to themselves and their families. I tial, explains the hopes which the Powers friendly Idle papers received today a— • • A
The objection which-lie felt to the tax, was entirely -to the King of Saxony nourish of seeing themselves ! VIENNA, Nov. gs.—Since the Ittth, nntelasoe,,
to the principle, and not the amounr of it; and at.; supported by England in the definitive negociation, I .
appears positive a
bon has been observed in the logistic mind ; theme, 1
really appeared to. him to be the very worst mode that i when the Congress shall take -hate consideration the I
• however, exceptions amongst the persons who loth
could be pursued, to leave the principle of. the taxis Note of the 4th November by King Frederick
force, and to reduce the produce of it. . Augustus. The Proclamation of Prince Remain, of themselves with being more initiated in the seams(
Sir W. Cuirris thougt.t the tax Was quite fts opo the 11th, is no doubt, in diametric opposition to !diplomacy than others. Divers reasons an oat
pressive and grievous as it had been described to be li-those hopes; but it. is not founded upon any act of ' for this agitation ; but nothing
but it was a tax of uecessity, and if it had amt.! the Congress, nor even upon the Convention of the'
been imposed he had no doubt we should Miler bare four Allied Powers. It was certainly ,authorised which we can add oar faith.
been elevated to the exalted rank which we now directly by the Emperor of Russia, for a Russian France and Bavaria continue, they say, to 044.
occupy as a nation. It was tree, he bad heard, that F General would not have dared, without the most , common cause infaiour of Saxony ; they haters.
It was intended to continee the whole or a part of.ita.s.
;express orders, to announce to the Sazons that they , flounced in a strong- and emergitic manner twee
and he feared that unless that tax was levied, it would I were to have for Sovereigns Frederick William maintenance and independence of that kisplea.
be impossible to pay the tliabts which the exigencies , and his descendants. These orders appear to have ! Austria
appears also to be of the same opinion,witltost
of the war had obliged as to contract, or if it were been the result of a private conference between the ' I
however, showing so much zeal and warmth. The
not continued the Parliament would be obliged to Emperor Alexander and the King of Prussia ; a
find some other taxes which would, perhaps, be more result unknown to the Ministers of tile Powers, or , different parties assure themselves of the supports(
injurious to the mass of the people—[Cries of no .1
IJ— int. least to the English Minister, till the arrival of ' England; Russia supports Prussia. This is thir
The Property Tax did not fall with peculiar hardship ; the said Proclamation. We must then distinguish , will towards Saxony ; how this important latish will
on the poor, it fell on people of property—he felt it; in the act of Prince Ihmin two objects entirely dif- t. terminate, time alone can acquaint us with.
severely himself—[a laugh]—and of course he hadi•
.erent:-Ist, What rAates to the military and pro- t
a The declaration of the King of Saxony, which Ito no particular predilection for a tax that fell on him- visional occupation, to which the Allied Powell
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been sent officially to all the Ministers of the Cos
self; but he had submitted to it, in common with j have formally acceded.-2d, What relates to the
others, and had beeu requited by the conclusion of•-ifuture fate of Saxony, from the personal and private press—to all time Princes of Germany, and public!/'
peace with the Powers of the Continent. He agreed ; opinion of the Sovereigns of Russia and Pressia—an circulated, has produced a lively sensation: . r
with the Worthy Alderman, who had preceded him, opinion not yet commou to all the Powers. The : Without replying otlicially to the Utile Of
ii till ,
in wishing for peace with the Americans, but he intimate union between Russia and Prussia has re- Germany, •
who demanded to take a part ltseitisli•
should be glad, it possible, to see them first cone ; eeived a fresh proof from a Note circulated by M. . b .. .
foundetily well tiogged—[a laugh ].—lf the taxes I Nesselrode on the I lth of November (the demon t Gas which regarded the GermanisikkOtsor
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have made them understalsel Mat their "Mem ilk were commuted .to one- article of consurnetiont it t which the stastimarmaamatia,, appeared: at ores. I . •
would fail on persons who could not so welt„palmit;4llen)* which eaerrin most positive terms; The • their pretensions will retard too much the advsacs
so that, perhaps, it would stet be paisible to awe desire of the Em rot Alexander " to see the tool of their altiirsi that it will he necessary to report
without it, In which case he shou!d support the re.
ftdentions or Prussia better appreciated, and to sot-- . their interests to the grand States • and that the
newal of it, otherwise be should oppose it. ,
'Verunt the abstitele 1 7:hich oppose the execution of the/
isunion will harry them to their rain.
Mr. WAITIIm AN, in reply, observed that hethonale ste iptans conceived by his Prussian Majesty fur the WO- •
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any mention of the war with America in the Res.:f-
defiance and d
fore of Germany !" I 'The declaration of Count Nesselrode, Mitaister
lutions would be irrelevant ; hut he should have fiat ' of Russia, relative to the affairs of Germany, con.
objection if the state of the alegociations were made I We are ragweed that the most important result of the Contress will be published on the 7th December • bling'..the following expression, which has struck
public by the Government to agree to a specific me. i
but somepoints will still remain to be discussed, and ; may persons with 'astonishment :—" His Majesty
tiop, proposed conformably to the ideas of the no well-informedexpects the Ministersto ' the re f Russia,h with; et the op.
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person i . wnperor o is seen regret
Worthy Alderman (Mr. Heygate).__ To the remarks
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Bement after its introduction.a lof the Honourable Baronet (Sir W. Curtis), that .position which has been raised agaiust the loyal
We know not whether the movements of the Nea. l G
i 'ermanic Conetitution, proposed by Prussia, the
Mr.-0 RIFFITIii fair, a few words against the Tax. I the Property Tax was necessary, in the present id-
poi. itan army are in concert with those of the Aus-
Mr. FAYELL hoped that nothing "of the Property Milian of the country, he could only answer by seg•
sutural'? but it is certain that the latter are on their ,basis of which has for its object the well-being of tie
Tax might remota but the recollection of it, and that gusting to him that which had been often befdre re-people of Germany."
reit from Lombardy to the Papal territories.
this would always serve as a memento, to point out commended, as well by iedividuals as by the Court
FRONTIERS OF Arent Nov. Nov. 25.-General
the folly of really engaging in ears. A Member of itself, that lie should propose or support some mea- PARIS, Dec. 5.-In the sitting of the Chamber of ,
Koller has really set oat for the Isle of Elba; before
the House of -Common once is ished that a starling sure in Parliament for the reduction of the expendi- 1 Peers, on the 3d instant, the law for the restoration
should be perched on the Speaker's Chair, and cry ture-[lleac, hear!]-and the aboliti of useless !of the unsold estates of emigrants passed by a ma- his departure he had some very long conferened
only 66 No Coalition." fec hoped that the Property and sinecure places. It was strange that the Hose 1 jority of 100 votes, out of 103 present. The Duke with Prince Metternich and Lord Castlereagh.-
Taz.should in future be s like warning to the people ejaasmee should say that the tax in question fell par- •of Tarentam (Marshal Macdonald) pronounced, We are assured that his mission is relative to the pre.
of England against wars. If the principle which !ticelarle on persons of property-it fell with peso-; on this occasion, a discourse which had a great et-
.It tensions raised in divers ways to the Isle et Elba.
is
-iiiii proclaimed at the close of the war, " of not lee fifer severity on tradesmen, who perhaps had no pro. ii feet,
and gained for him, et the rising, the cempli- Ipositively asterted, that the fate of Poland is
lettering with the internal Government of on, na.. poly atoll. It fell with equal severity on freehold j mesas of all his colleagues. At the close of this I
don," hail been acted upon at the time the war cum. property, or on annuities of one or two years dura-; speech, the Duke announced his intention of pro. ! now decided, and' that its partition will remain as
silenced, the people of this cootitry• would have don. It had been imposed, it was said, to support , posing, on an early day, a project of a law to be before. Austria has peremptorily refused the reel-
known nothing of that Tax of which they now so I war for the protection of property-bat why had submitted tas the King, the object of which would be , tution otahe Polish provinces.
justly conies'''. He believed that the expression not property paid for its own protection [Criss of to grant life annuities to those of the emigrants thel
i The King of Bavaria is indisposed, but his indite
emoted by the worthy Geutleman who spoke lees had Hear, hear n instead of extorting a portion of the ! sale of. whose estates had left them unprovided for. position is not serious.
been erroneously attributed to Mr. Fox, and that it hard-earned incomes of the labourite; and trading iat According to the calculations which I ski: 11 have
bed really been used by a Reverend Bishop in the classes?-The Worthy Bart. (Sir W. Curtis) wasl the honour to lay before the Chamber," said the ,Marrain Nov. 22.-Our Gazette contains no
/ ogle House of Parliament. Although he never aware that in the place where they both resided, 1 Duke, "it will be seen that * i
funds necessary for , news; but private information assures as, that it t
wished to join ht any clamour against taxes which 'even the gentlemen of landed property had beets most ;'these annuities still add but I,ito to the burthens of ' hopeless to look for a change in the system of Gee
were necessary ; yet, after the case made out by his unjustly assessed. If such was the fact, what must ' the public ; while this measure, so particularly just vernment. The fact is, that they still continue to
worthy friend, he must condemn the Tax, and for a have been the sufferings of the poor, whose low sta. ' and pond., will have the vast advantage of affording ' make arrests ; that R omanilles, the principal author.
substitute he could only mention peace and retrench- don deprived them of the means of making etlicieut et the same time a compensation to those who have 'of
meet. remonstrances ?-[fiersr 1-11 e had received bun. l /oat their ell, and diasipatiag the apprehensions of the Constitution made by the Junta of Bayonne
Alderman lieyea•re wished to call the attention dreds of letters sillies he had given-notice of theses. km. teireessuchasers of the estates sold as national has been imprisoned, and also his brother ; and that
of the Court ten the financial situation of the coil's- tion lie had made, containing accounts of the most ! peepertyas Thus will the wish of M. Chateaubriand ' every day persons are brought to Madrid, whalers
try at the present moment. No man living had a cruel and tyrannical acts that it was possible to con. be speedily fulfilled ; that writer, after having de- been arrested in the principal cities of Andalusia. '
greatgr detestation of the principle of the 'l'ax than ceive, which had been committed in the progress of le- . moustrated in his political reflections the impossibi. ! A very strong detachment' of grenadiers guards
himself. The law, however, had beets introduced vying this tax, against which he called on the Court lily of (emceeing those sales, finishes the chapter by
the house of the Ex-Minister Macanar, who is RI
at a time when imperious necessity required that to protest-Ulcer, hear.9-If such a body as the I saying, " a spirit of peace must, therefore, preside
large slims should he sepplied,and when tine ordinary Common Council-the representatives of their fellow- • over the measures that are to be taken. Disinterest- suffered to have communication with any one.
incites of taxation had failed. The people of Eng-' citizens, did not stand op against this tax, would , edness and honour are the virtues of the French ; ! It is helieted that the Confessor of the King, Os'
land consented, under those circumstances, to such they not be unworthy of the confidence of their con. every thing may be hoped from such retirees." 1 tolozn, has determined to quit the Court, arid retire
privations as they had never before experienced.- stituents, and the rank they held in public esti- ' to Murcia.
11. thought, therefore, it was right now to examine Diction? It had been demanded, where was the ' .
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Gen. Freyre is intended to be Minister of cifat s•
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candidly, fairly, and impartially, what was the pre- money to be found ? The want of money should have Private accounts from Calcutta, by the rpeent ae..
Sent financial situation of the country. No man was been anticipated-they had declared in May lest their i vitals, represent the state of our Eastern empire as ' said is and Count Ezpelata, Viceroy of Navarre, is
snore snaimmehan he was that full justice shook, be expectations of being relieved from some of their I Perfectly tranquil. The Government of the Earl of be called to Madrid.
done to the public creditors ; the fact, however, t burthens which pressed on them. Some measure Monet was satisfactory to the British settlers, and I
was, that the whole revenue of the country (with I should have been brought forward to meet the I respected by the natives : the stateliness of the
tine exception of about one million) was now paid in : crisis ; some reduction of expenditure to meet the 'i Court being reconciled to English feelings by the
dividends to the Stork-holders. What was there then' anticipated reduction of the taxes; yet not a wordi polite and elegant manners of the Noble Earl
to defray the ordinary expence of the Govern- had been said in Parliament on the subject.-11leur, i and his Countess; while the Indians, nlweys ac.
meet, as well as the expellee of the American war? hear !]—We were to have pence with war tales and , customed to reverence external pomp, are fag.
As to the question of the American war, he was war expenditure--[llear, hear I]-Adam Smith, (limited with a splendour they have met seen
aware t'iat it was a question of considerable delicacy : whom he had quoted in the Resolutions, had said . slues the time of Lord Weeeeseee. The Cons.
but still, while that war existed, ho thought there there was ao art which a Government sonnet learnt peny'a servants are particularly gratified by a regu-
could be no expectation of this tax being taken off. than that of detailing Money from the pockets of helot', which allows all those who have occasion for
The gi ounds of this war, however, were not the same their subjects. In this view, It would be a gnat eb- temporary absence from their situations on auesunt of
now as at the period of its commencement. We now ject with any Government to continue, if It were bare health, to receive their full salaries, instead of
understood that the war was continued on nceomit of only one per cent., of this commodious tax. He was suffering a deduction of one-third, and in some cases
some now demands set up by oar. Ministers, of ex- persuaded there was nothiug more necessary to be the suspension of the-whole, accordingto the previous
tension of territory, the uncontrolled posses . ion of the said to ensure the unanimous concurrence of the ecoevault order of Lord Mime

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genie unpleasant reports are in circulation reverk
:lug the force under Geo. DansissoNo in America.—
Au account, said to comelbroogh-the tntdium of Mr.
CRAWFORD, the American Minister at Paris, Ili
been communicated in private letters from thencft
stating, that the American army at Fort Buffalo, hav
ing been greatly augmented by the troops under Go:
12 ARD, and from the interior had crossed tlieSiagill,
and attacked General DRUMMOND, who, alter
sanguinary conflict, bad been compelled to yield
superior numbers, and surrender, with his forced.
to the enemy. We trust this report is without Peas