The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-05-16 00:00:00

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Varlet She sem, year, 1.44 Laltenet Mar,
j214--boseojlo'lit 'll4.l44eribitigb, 4 bp. -spen{ . etkt, et r
lbli 'Mr,' rebate lblerthe, hi' Moab" be *mail 'Midi;
'oil4lsho• ea' twain of sous Alseatial. 'pratidirrit )plar
far hie .114. • Lord ‘Clamterty Veal out •of;• KW pelf
• vats resources,- at the Netherlands, the irit.ipltS
16,00/. and about 13,0004 a year siege. Fr
Hairy Wellesley, • for 'the Am years est i. bat list
be pissed' le'''Spain, expetidid t. 060/. a' yltsifdat •at
Me printelfirtine.a—The 'ontiitisy'rto Ansijeldrtlene
um- of that itstespanalve salon ' that • w'se aselphed
by some vend at Naples the Hamm did pot lodge 4,1110-
self for less 'than 800/.. a year. Regarding thee all
them Tatell,he Wdold MAU( be itattilihed'at tbr•stditlid
eteroonts aid .ropsblieut 'imlfilTeresce with witi4,7llse
greM departuteat'ef Foreign Missions wee treatek_bor
Oistlenien on'tbd ether side of the }Mdse. • He VW belt-
&lent that !the Winds of .E.glishoseo were wilt see
selling as to descend to tho,peltey. emit, •of Aro ,
which it seemed the bent-of ,some Gentlemen to fa
dime Intel tkirlOpirtinent. /141.*Wir for holdink %
zi
relation With, foreign Powers :by" means of -dtgel
agents, as mita, the best securities against the. re)tprp,pf
'far. As to' the fate of this be shotiftr den,'
Me m thurif the Hoietiment adds the' itilivieftelViehre
was mom ',Modern reepemptle, ehoultl.io 46414
moot of the house have faded in thy senior,. so far as to
transfer theleililinate duties of the Executive M i Ltois-.
.mitteor of the Howse of Cosomons,he should say ttamiss:
`should Teel himself degraded, never to lift up hie„bgqcl!
again in society, if be could submit to act the puppet int,
each tut arrsegentrnt. He bitlVacit so low •an aplitibis'il
of the Heutionsdo epposite,resto,bilieve that there. mile!
lust. to be found stroonget them •is Gentlemea Who could!
perform. the duties of Secretes/ -of State. nether, lets
the; (*Redone ttf, tke.depmtniest be continued to he die.:
airr,ell by some nertron t ,but let 'bent sot disfistfre ilia
Thertitutlon of the tiovirinmentomd break the relitidb
between it and the horse, 'by 'der/Aviv, ipon b 'Cabo-
quitter, chosen out Of its body, the dodge that should
be performed by the Erecrutisr.--r(Much cheering.) •
Si rJ. MACKINTOSH would hard given a silent vote
on this question, if the Noble Marquess had confined
himself to the topics introduced in the temperate state-
ment of his Hon. Friend, bat the charges of Noble
Marquess, that his Hon. Friend intended to dreads the
eountry, soil transfer to the House Of Commis -the du-
ties of the Executive—what was the Hove( Comm.'..
for? Not to inquire into the public expenditure, but to
Watch the intimations of the Ministers opinion, mid to
take care sad do nothing which would induce the,filinje-
ters to resign. 'They had been often threatened with
althea eft& of the Ministers to resign • but it Sias SO
often repeated, that it now lost lii efreCt. At one tile
it was whispered; at another it brake forth in ineillehil
matenteots, and even it was spokes oat in pretended cow.
fidene• but real. approhenelose. Threaten the Bones of
' hoar did mo-- •

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sees on the Report of* Committee of that wiry beitee.-
The Noble Marquess boasted of Abe unparalleled inge-
st/co of this country throexhoot EcrOpe—talked of the
glories of the Quintuple Alliaisee,. and co/Aired by
charging Geodesist"; on Ms side bf the house -with Sting
Mr inti,hely alliance. And till mime from the Nobb
Marques, who had pat forward, la the year 1824 as
strong and indignant a disclaimer of the principles of
the Holy Alliance. as could proofed from a mas. 11
Gentleman on his side of the house had ever said that
the three great Powers of Europe were conspiritori
againit the taw' of nations. After the State Paper staid
Noble Marquess, in the year -1841, he defied any Mao to
say that this country had any laffitence with &reign
powers. How did it happen that all Italy. was eisrvert-
eil into an Austrian province, without any intervention
on the part of England and France, if those onitatries
possessed any influence with the other Potentates ofEn.
rope? Had he not at this particular moment been cc-
tested by motives of delicacy, arising from an earnest
wish for the preservation of peace, he could make one
one of the strongest eases that ever occurred, of* greet'!
abuse of isluence, or of teetotal want of it. But, he'
the reason stated, be should refrain from doing se. 11.
knew not what moral reason (to use the Noble Lord'',
expression) there could be for sending an Anthaisatler
to Switzerland. The measure was defended os AM!
ground that we had a great interest in preserving dial
neutrality of that country. If the neutralitof Switzer-
land was to be respected, he wished to know what
greater advantage could result from such a neutrality
than that of its liontintilog to he au asylum, as it bad
long been, for political and literary characters, who
were obliged to Ay from the oppression of the Hovers.
meats under which they had lived ? Was it oo part a(
the neutrality of that country to have this right peer
served ? and what circumstance could destroy it name
effectually, than that of a set of foreign Despots-4u
adboly A II ire— requi ring aU the fugitives who lead table
a shelter in Switzerland, to be given Op to them? ealli
was the art of the unholy Alliame, who, it Inshisk
were now about to preserve the centrality of Switzer.
land! Piedmont was no longer coder the aathority of
its former Sovereign: Lombardy was made a part of the
Austrian dominions ; and Naples was. an Assume pro-
vince—omninally governed by a was,
who bad
limn sworn to preserve the free Coostittithin that
,bad bees established in big, country.—(Cries ofNeari i
hear.)—Nauseroos fugitives from these differing
parts of Italy bad tried to take shelter in Switzerland,
expecting that, according to the ancient usages
,of that
cointry, they iiiiight remain there unusqlested. . They
had beeb obliged to Ay, not for any, moral .crime, but
merely for the' efforts they had'utide to acquire 'a • ediall
pardon of that liberty which Wes iste ridiesei* thetight
of despots; hat even here they were see allowed to
remain : they certainly did escape frees the rasp of the
tyrants, probably because the Swiss . Hovereinent al-
lowed them to escape, It was not long since, a atialber
of ItaliOi gentlemen' nice of rank and eiliicitioo, were
hied's* at Oenevi • but the three Mi*lstere of Rohde,
Assisi*, and Prowls, demanded that tansy should be
giesemp, - ia • compequenet, however; of a eternise given
thew. by. Alte itiouratueotai limmteve, . they all made their
cape,; :log 143'. kilow Poe !km*, 40 tgo. in , &IMPS
they could -not expect to stad einy.,krotectioe,aoilpe its
presest Administratioe • di • weld ant expect to stop
lii the Netherlaads; ;sr eilal_ clur 41 4Pilf,!ltw,
tAieliVictiefeif theibbil • WV( retakiiot4t. t • up•
litteltil, tot elf i nitdOtte; s' taw' i'ditU 'WWII' i)ips
she iciairmi gaglidivilialiter•hesaimei•rMth• all '4ll/1
tircecelef as 11Jiasnill.—(tatut win ofbar, 11.10—.

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~.stleirelebeilra pietyiandlieWs9not and everipelocentli
nig he bed jigs .ssairel i• and. near have ilet•isee masts&
ages le ctlealbitt lha otilteepy fugitives from Mobilo
Wed. Tbei.L_if we, •eskPftivf* lopir_e!tfecAl.il'iNt
oft, it ••#t .:Tiri.l I" Mr rimer *as seeille•.,
&lab a deretied es kilt te 1 bait atiiiaid; edit.'
sa*
pail of oar allfel,"Was"We fini mad* ley' berighlt
' bred state; ar If -tante, ' esinplieid with. Ifbk
oppealar ;bo Noble' .14 '. who talked; of SWIM
elikiamearr the Opposialmor side of the Hoeft. Us
made eta time when thallatsid-ifhe-beeta wit} repo*. '
eellistoops iif deep distrese,,ao tiding rain from all
liiK
woof the kingdom. s. toti ties tien before
Ilia Ifaisr;there were certaltilf imitshiss wide\
alleybe intended with .etiaildFeab e ipeiree. But it Ad
bet Mew that latignifiesnt Merlons should biennial
On tbecoetrary, they 'eight Wipe avoided so as be mai
aarisgs to maintain the great ialssioaa. It was *ld
there were otherosiissious in Switserlapit frotn..ighltf
Powers ;.hat would the Noble Lord as what ss
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paid to those motions? He weal& not pdyert allt*
pious of Anterlean Ainbessadnii. 'lie *reel that
Ile'Nolde Lerd bolted Aileen Witlre tart of conrilfetad
Mil disdulte at the repetition fragility bt the itinerl.
mei tioveresset; bat he least tell that Noose that it
411Mi,reptibliasa. in its nettene. and Constitution; thin
tili3erTtifi kiegistiterfeall-141Ord rausbUo;abileirb,rhearb
' e)-;and it was bodelarto hatch every laid oi
Siiiiintlitirle itied"repreli 'airy' kind'.of' exten4agitiee
Oh the plate of the Governatittit lb a trerehpahlkaii *-
Mk' leek' as their nerdy aneestors had as often's:alai-
fisted ; sad it was a libel on the Hoare of.Cometens 'to
ay that it should act•otherwise. Willi all the Nati,
,Lord's contempt for that imperial end growing Republic,
the Noble Lord cotild not shut hid eyes to the fact that
Ihislfeiliiblic was fanning pacific alliancesirith niest'uf
thehitithis of theeworld, killni it g neer &aniline& after-.
eitory eitery day, making dew Stares egad ii
iniz.....
oat if deserts, and epreadiag libentrand hhese'
larger sprees of the earth.thea ever hiortarehe . .eavand.
-(lieu, hear.)-The Noble Lord was very tient
gestures and tones, m re r,
which were math more
-then his ivords.-(Hear, bear.)-thud &Ilia tO sifirr
3. 'lllackleitinh's) lot to be adqiiiiihted title •Wieral 414-
phi/metric characters belonglertwthe frugal' Mllielblit tif
America, and he should disk well died* ereealeygber
Ministers to foreign countries were pet ow the memo
footing with them; and lie was sure theth were imey
eminent men in this equality who would gladly
.onsipp
lake such Offices without any view to superior euildeb
tient.
• 'Mr. F. ROBINSON declared that he could *not ilea-
Ter in the speech of the Host. gad Learned tientledela
who spoke last, any one expression that could apply to
the question before the Haase. His Nohlo Fsiespi was
justified in what he had said, that if Abe. Hoped
-sus no longer gave its contideage to r.ritlil44lla 1
longer matinee to contact the affinprivi .
Intl bow ebuld such a (rectal-Ainslie idesideind
Heise? He appealed to thole Who
Friend's speech, *beaer there ink
which could pupilage a stronger wo-
of the etataitierstr contained ill It.
, Mr. TIERNEY now roof at the
. were load calls for the latter Oee-
er, sat down.
said he, sboeld detain the' Hebb bed
was a Neese 'Wing Miliembilt of the
that 41 sho Mobs appointed a Owe
would . Dot awed it t- Bart that It
oft
.441,41 to *Defoe its power
d'this weenie meet fir.
_..r aside in the Hoare of Cetnesonst
wee,* Wahl* hi leased; aid' White distills
&arts oldie defiliff,•Vairtreot OtteUqilie
I propel thac•Lbed Samar' mid Lard
should be midis, is London with the sate.
cias7of foreign Ministers?
Mr. TIERNEY said the station, be thWegist, lsed Wee
seat temperately brought forward, cslliag *paler*,
with a view to a saving Is the public expeadithrii, if poi.,
Able. It should therefore, not have bees amides it bad
beet by the Noble Mariptesa. The sum en qedstlini iris
sot so elects the object ;• bet thereat Was that the Ade&
Digestion felt sore, sad bad come to a determiasaioe et
what was called making a stand;
,and • Matting be Mk
derstood,bad actually been held for tbatpurpoee. Iv
lion. Gentleman (Mr. Robinson) had and, it was
reedy constitutional for Moisten to rough if they •
the confidence of the House of-Coniniodt. There • 5
ao doubt at all about that.-(11 laugh.) Bat If Ministate
said, you who vote for this or that question will be OE.
ing for our dismissal, this he thought was telling Win
that they would be marked ; and biconsidered that it
would be no answer for a Gentleman to say to his con-
stituents who asked him what public sent% be bad voted
for that truly he had not given any vote for that; bat
he had prevented the tosignation of Mi•isterer:
(Hear, hear, hear.) The bees. bad hies reminded of the
Moon/. given up from the Civil List, and had been tell
that his Majesty. comforts would be abridged l• cone,-
quince. He (Mr. T.) wished that tile communication at
to that 30,0001. had been spade by Menage, as he would
be happy to move an Address of thanks to his Majesty
for that most gracious Message ; but as fir the abridge-
ment of comforts, he did vet think that there was a ql•
bible of truth in the Matter.-(A laugh;)-He assured
the Noble Marquess be spoke only in a Parliamentary
sense. There was a difference of atleast 15 per cent. in
tradesmen's bills ; and these he thought worthy of no-
tice, though the Noble Marquess, on a fernier occasion,
had called them disgusting details. The tending a Ali-
,nister to the Swiss Cantons was really a job. Could any
one suppose there might not be a redaction ib that Em.
bass), ? The Noble Lord had, to prove it was not a job,
stated that Capo D'lstria was there, and the Noble
Lord's Mood Prince Talleyrand bad sent his nephew.-
(A laugh.)-Tbe fact was, there never bad been a worse
job ; and if all the Princes in Europe were to swear it
was not a job, he could not believe them. Takidg all
the details of the estimates, and going through them
step by step, would fatigue the house, he should only
say he Lad no desire to ander-pay public-sernuts ; he
did not wish, at the same time, to see persons extrava-
gantly paid. The question was, vbetherthey had more
diplomatic agents than necessary, or whether they paid
more than necessary ? The N'oble-LoVirobjected to In-
quiry in a Committee, because herded not be well ex-
!idled after taking his grkat state oath : bat was thiM
no information Vibe obtained in the Noble Laureate,/ /
The Noble Lord said, Foreign Ministers were melee.
paid, but that bad been die costwiaietef.tliplootatie 'pen
• time, Out of mind. Increased pensions Was a remedy for
that disease, and surely a Committee might wail coati-
der whether the scale of pensions Was not too large.-
Vhe Noble Lord said the money voted fik Foreign AM-
hatudors was spent at Paris, Vienne, and Other ?him*.
It itres.gisherally known that • large sues wait'apent in
; no sEngliehinati who hail beep at Paris could say
, hospitality of Sir .Charles §tewart ay. confined.-
hospitality could add dignity to dipit.emac,y, it existed
re
tittle tallest extent; but is his vie*, r tier- es atew-
ire evatibt boded to tied every Englf tna 'This called
eitetrbite alit a gootapplAtile ; tlitt rin4fhlnTy 1;otild an-
ew* ad moral purpoie,-(A laugh:). Al oPetenbaeg.
Atm Re item were scans. Sir C., ilitg•t booed mot
kw? ,loff,b, Pay.-. 1., He .eogm, perhaphs giro 10/.. to
0 setralorpano.-Imoiyi.,4* .10,..hin.._
.0.4. tt sot,.however that the. tit trangance of
Perehraifiiileturs toted .contribtiGt• to tlih'ln7atenee of.

Commons! Thatiieasedid asereimportant thingstban moons no longer gave it
ever were done by any at body of men. It eltpeged could nolonger coetini
a national religion ; it hurled diiisties from their Contatiy; VW how ebuld
thrones.; and wits reclined to the sad condition of hear- in as insult to the Hsi
log from a Minister of the CrOwn the 'threat that if the beard hi. Noble Prim
of the Members preferred. their *Wu malting to ever a case stated which
tritlit able- Ministers. tie litter would mega their srigioo as to_tbenuth I
..a:6l. 21:•:!ataLtitIterlitatOtraseir wo
tb.lidesc,htsessheeea ont hir.tiCßE.EsytYhournad"
44,
, • 'malotity "Wire tit blitiptii was 4, i a ,". ilea* *ho, hi:owe/Sr. 1
• Wkratai t ibeeit ' , -' ' . ii 4 -.Uri CREEVEY said
I` ' lei ? liiis ' wile+ &Wis. 'it was
Isiai lesedlo, 0111011111' 10 41'.`‘'.. Saha Leal to asy, dial
0 iiiedmav altatweadMiidafat it '. ' *toe 0 (ovary he we
WINO mairpsilltiOli " . : • • ...... b. diskaf)*4 0
the Haase of Coamillita, . : ' --T. ' Ilhe %tee of Omit
linifhts, fittyggekatidi atwm. eat ever MU
mons,
ai mons, *is toe ti IS till; *O. ' Mi,7 f. ."
I Wi11...a fa
sisn'aad Prussiats !wheel of pOliticf. • silt as 11 • all puttee( ti,
that the Noble Marquess should show 'each liestill 'it was propes
to a Committee of the Heine of etliamons, slate Bureserab* should bs n
be had built every argamsat used by him on this *cgs. tit of Lotssigfroitit