The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-05-07 00:00:00

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lode of she liechamea, and to mat way his hem brio* ea-
tot leered by the meat. it rig appear he the Home laid the
Coamoissee aerobe." tecosteintot a a frees tarseelest
suas.d r-t of yam s bet the limo! wood beer in ailed Ma this
ulmorflear .sty kink place for a .hart time. Maid with a wine to
pint isle C.r a mum ies a metallic am:Ansa al cave. The Com
biller .11 ishol to es ram hese o• winner of bake ewer pay.
mem I. imy We l, Is Would "dump be Nuke power of Hie
Hatit.oresir individeel. to hove 'prefr coined ottlie precionotor•
Ind- song, name w herb aught Mr regained of elem. T.-Waimea..
me weer aware of the sahjecthas to she rift olatidis anat. ender
51. son avowal 4 eke seesawed facility which it gg.e in teeny'
aid Hod the Mao et the CO•shiter col • in large ovum Ma cos-
email of bilmetages • blab swatter boles did .64 pekoe. Thep I
wear swan, that is lad hers permed by sway to withdasw
the .usall antes altogether fins cis rulas.ao. and to eielmitem id
Shelf pia& • metal is ...redoes/. lies it appeared So She Coat-
rite. shot it would lan he safe in 'skiable's, Me Illeall wanedfrom eiregintios rasher lima the sea., teed cash paymeen. The
arsgpousion so forger. might perhaps hr dimielyeed, provided
there were no mall mitre is ris Stsfeare $ hal Me Cateeiwisin
meld net help hoping that in,. gs might be &timed for mothorlog
the imitation of haokuntes on •• r :Ingrid. tiv let present. The
Cesegartiee had hare tolerated slat a pleura pnreentios the lei-
Mike eflearkumers was wader trial, tad taiga be ripened se be
is medians alibis meet nmethet. 1 he levontshir omelets which
hod lam • a ilun moneybag el this pl.sn a a. en.flrmeil by the pa-
yees of the esperimeass yr bleb had e• co. lest, mode. Pit se-
iletteg to the Peddle • CeNglroul over the ova. mete. laeirethnlim,
then would he able to replace she whole circulative g sad she
holatecy of these set.., • Matter arrived, woad hate a memo,
Ile their take. whiek without t ;tit rim, they woeM Mal pale*.
ill eider to embitter Ruh to inlet mote 'Brattiest', to me-
pose farmer's( ea the eget tii iota of Om OM Iht Cssatalistee seat
tsfeptaine,llllll II would hr nip. diet* to reistione the prnhihition
In the Haab from Isom* told at the sale of S. 1;y. 1016,
till the pet lod above anted. The Commute* ronaltined it te-
enier, in rerogitendi slir ...peal of tie law 'relating She ex-
portation of aparie na a holly norfecloal to portent garb et pot M.
lino. nod as Orrring sushi Irelpillions to pefillf, awl freed.—
The Committee rerumsensiled that the Milk of inland should
aim sneak cash pyloric. u HIM sit eseethe (If ere beard rep.
reedy) after she rroaptio• of mob paymesee by the Bask of
Viegined. The Commicee were of apilihill that itie circeatioo
st cestary hanky peewee& no ehmain I. a mots en • monk
currency. The Collimate? • kited to knew the OlNlnie..l of bola
of tvgary bnekrn in rircohtties at different periods. bet they
hoe set bees able to olontn any sic brainy evidence is. this
saidect, there befog an Imam of k newton she elan newest if
'mount any time is circulating. An scream at the amp ob-
tained by cmotry barkers rota year, since 1810. had beep for.
sided to the Ciesominer. but she Committee trocard from Mr.
Llold that the whole woes stamped were eager oi my me time
I is circulation. and that Me hayleig paid the defy was en rei-
deuce of • ease's helag is circulation In new at a/stm a
reentry hanker kepi me wavy of hie seers sit boat as he ree-
sil.ly geoid. sad in She.. of prosperity be hosed them ea mash.
Jecoloidtble security. He had stated Is as bb spittle. that in
1 limn of prosperity the circulation at mown Woken might
ivory from 40 la 50 minims 8 bet the Comonlitte were or .pi-
Men Hai ibis branch of the circulation of the tinestry Dryer
merited from twenty In tereety•lre mllligeo. Me lktiontinee
won if osintlnn that she eirculisssou of COOesr, likeetkeet was
liable to greet ikemiliss. Thu was midget iron the very
1 great :nasalise in the ammo; of were, stesepeJ le differest
; year.; and is Ult. r.rsicolarly shairn in lb* cane a the three
ii floes Banks of limetinad. The ltrysort then proceeded tie
is. detail the prupostious ot she Worse( the Haat at Sesintel.
Me litoaal Hank of Saaoland. and the lintish losses, C t'
three Amelia 'skids fumbled a eery low portion of rila•
rimy of beetked, ii• differess quarters *1 dulr.rrnt ye.... It
appeared that is !SIG, reopen:el end 11113, there erre u It.
Kau one-third pars of she mon of the Man peeled Olthelniiht
from rift-Matins. The properties ief mks ettbdrawe by lb.
reesiry baskets of England was still greeter. The !Vestal*,
of thematic:, hank, eats likeheei Is 1813 mad 111 4 4 it an, cos
sidemMy ',doted ta HIM lb* Caminittee wevenee in. Moeda"
This .. time at the lager, periid it was redernleoe-htill Mr.
&ache. eased it as his °piano', that el hams er Moisten's teat
place in the circulation of she canine. brush. is 181 and lira.
wag alt rau.ed by the dsmaisisdiett condo M. a the Desk 111
kmgiand. Ibe tailor. of some hawk, earned mien basal..
however sal.eni they sight he. as they toesicipoted IN their
d -reedit. 'lite costar, wink. *ere prielenbsel) Ise le us the
1 Duthie. eassireesimi of ;heir issues. The effects of Ai.. egrepl
they were cogateceurel by nn income., of their:re. sub. Hawk
. of England, by diselelabing she asseigot of lb. elreolatima of
the r .o. any. w..M e 1.., tee mho of the a hole. Ts ibis died 4
seam or the cliksbilion„ frees the • itiminittiag the times of
cavalry baskets, was le • gte.t neoluite. .6 be iiersted She
mate of the miehangeele ISIS wed 1617 . Mr la. 'her Is would be
et pettiest to devise some remedy for ski. Hoeunitios. and whe-
ther tome plan might null be ervieed tar she oposteinenl of shit
syttein of country Istilt circulation, wishdri interferimt will Me
riga. of properly. rma erieoloo resiser tir g which the Coni.
neittee, lockout holey evidena. Men 'bet had ye: heard. welt
mg prepared so state all *Ohio, a 11.. Home. Si. Esau, cia
canotaores afeeted Ilsr sae at of notes revolted from 11.
Hash. and the variation.. and dationtioaa in the arraign' t•t
country hank paper, a Ord.-sent sums, woo mech. that the Com-
mittee were of apiaiee so eon I Isins reeld he drawn Goa the
nominal amount of the men to sae Hank of England ostetsrod-
leg at any one dem as to thew eaavedieg or falling below • hat
etas required by the tsieletry.
Seth are the primingl features of those parts of the Report
whi.b were saws Is the Home. When the Clerk lad /suss the
teadieg, It was mined to lie on ilie tank, and to he parted.
Mr. TIERNEY asked a question of the Glen.
cellar of Om Eachequir across tho table, in a tactile
welte which was almost ineadible in tits Gallery. A.
far as we could collect what be said, ha asked the
Right Hots. Gentleman what project of finance be had
hi contesplatioo ; and whether he iateadod to bast
recourse In • loan or n.. 1?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, In
a tone of voice 'gasify indistinct, esswered, that he
had no intention of opening his plan of finance before
he brought in the Bedget for the year.
Mr. TIERNEY thee said, that on Toesday, the
18th of May, he should move that the Howe do re-
solve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to
take into cousidereeioe the State of the Nation.—
( Loud cries of " Illeor!")
It• r. PEEL, in simmer to a question, when the
Report would he liken into) consideration, said that
he coull not positively state eny time. It would be
requisite to hare the Report sell Appendix printed
and circulated emu% the Members of the Hesse
before any discussion could arise upon them. He
!bought that this could not be done iu teal than five
or six days.

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THP. iIO'AI. stpicits.
.0 HAM'', l'ON,n rising 1.
re referring the Petitions daft
Corainittee, soil', that after the
, which bad been received by the
it was unnecessary for him to say any thing of
Ale oppression ender which the Petitioners laboured.
diereforethonght that there could he no rational
eidection to his motion for e Committee. When he ,
led brought forward his motion regarding the
Bo-
leugh of Aberdeen, he bed stated, es distinctly es he
Would, in order to guard agslost misrepresentalioo,
both what his motion was sod what it wee net.—
Fern under those precastioes be had not hems safe
from the insinuations of the Gentlemen opposite.—
They bad stated, that this subject we. merely
Ned at a cloak for Parliamentary Reform ; he de-
tOtti this assertion most positively, and said that
they might base seen how refounded it was from
reading the Petition themselves. Ile had informed
the Ileum that the grievance was neither new, nor
partial, nor unknown ; hut one of more than 20
yell's' wending, anti of great nototiety ; that it had
been referred tea Committee, end that the Report
of that Committee bud been printed, end placed in
the hands of Member's. He regretted that this Rs-
port had not been re-printed, es it world have roe.'
I oiled considerable information to the Hesse. Ills
motion was not for Psrllimeetary Referee, though he
ought to awe how far directly and indirectly his too-
tles was connected with It. In the Bergh, where
the Magistrate, were self-elected—Pier, the Noble
Lord was intercepted by the seise of some 'Wombats
en the Treasury Beech, which seemed to annoy him
considerably. lie ohs.' Ted to them, that be did not
wish for their attention, bet for their conversion—
he did not wish fur their carrifel considerstion of
what Ire said. but that comma. courtesy which the
Hoop generally wended to every speaker. I—On
resuming the thread of his argument, he said, that
thirstily indirect rosy in which his motion leeched sp.
on Parliaments"), Belem 111 N, that where the Magi-
strates were 'elf-elected, they returned the Members
to Parliament. Now the barrows wished to hire the.
lime there in the election of their Migistretes, as their
Magistrates had in theelectioo of their Representatives.
This wee the only way in which the subject of a Re.
form in Parliament was connected with that of a Re-;
form in the Burgh System, and hi shoold therefore
dismiss titet institution from his miod, without any
further remark or observation. He mould stele dist-
tie "item ender which the Borehs mist, is en dif.
(trent from any other in the whole circle of the British
enTise—tray, he might sly, In the whole cirilieed
• orld, 'het he engirt net ondermand how the line.
Gentlemen opposite could possibly defend it. The
Committee whirls sat 23 yeses ego, and to which he
had before snorted, had reported that the complaints
of the Berths erre well founded, and yet no Neit-
her round shoot that tiny redress had been timeline
in enusequenre of it. lie moat say a word or two
no an observation which had fallen from the Lerd
Advocate on these Petitions : first, the Pell.
loner" were not numerous: secondly, they were
not interested persons. Tne objection taken by
the Noble end (.earned Lard that these Petitions
came from the Borers,* themselves only. and net
from the country at large, was an objection equally
frlvoloss and unmeaning. What .lid the Noble Lard
require ? If they were numerous, he disputed thek
respectability ; and if they were but few, he coo.
tended that hey were not of 'efficient interest to
require the House's Interference. The evils 'leek
they had complained of one former occasion bed est
twee denied • the system which they complained of
lied not been defended. The Noble and Learned
Lord at one lime denied the esistence of Ones evils ;
at another, objected to entertain the widen, on the
grottod that the country was satisfied with the pre-
sent state of thins; and at another. that he was not
enured of the respectability of the Petitioners. Bet
would the Noble Lord, or soy of his friends stand
up and sly, that if their allegations wore true, they
ought not to be taken into immediate considers.)
tion ! lf, in the cases introduced to the notice
of the House, partieelarly in that of Aberdeen,
the system was proved to be unjust and oppressive;
if it was made rout that the administration of the go.,
mamma of Scotch Burghs was fraudulent and scent,
the Bosse ought to rejoice in an opportunity of
enqeiring into a system which placed in the Mode
of the Magistrates en unlimited power over the
pockets end persons of the burgesses—a power whirls
they used to contract debts, and not only to contrite
debts, bet to do so by means which the burgesses
were not able to detect, and which, were they able
In detect, they could neither get 71rcounted for nor
redressed.—[/bran, hear!]—He contended that this
fact alone 'efficiently proved the subject to be a it
one for the attentive consideratiun of the Bosse. One
greet subject of complaint the Pet;tioirert had no pos.
sible 1711.01111 of redress for. It was absolutely 11121%,
that not withstendiog any acts of the greatest injustice,
iniquity, and oppression, on the part of the Msgis.
'rates, It ems perfectly incomp.'ent for the burgesses
to appeal to any Court of Jostle..., so long as the
Council thoold b. usenietnei.—[Hear!]—The very
reformation which the Noble Lord charged him
with ssishing to effect in these Bergh', the ter) prin-
ciple he lamed him (Lord A. Ilimilton) with, he
himself acted open lately in regard to the Bough
of Montrose. The Noble and Learned Lord :.ad
objected to consider the Petitions, bernese the Go.
',invent of the Scotch Berghs was settled or Me
cognised at the time of the Scottish Union. Bet if
this ',gement was to he hos', it would he neither
more nor less than giving to his Majesty's ,ilinisters
la power of perpetuating a system of abuse throogh.
oot the Scotch Burghs ; of perpetrating toot cserep-
i lien for which boroughs have been disfranchited.—
lleer!)—Tbe Noble Lord theta proceeded to read a
Remoustrence addressed, Pont. years since. by the
Imposes of Irvine to the Council ; they comp 'tined
that they had no more interest In electi-g a Magi.
strafe, than in electing an Emperor of Morocco,—
' leares.)—By a strange annmely in law. these
Scotch tigresses were liable far the debt. contracted
by their Magittretes. Another instance of gross ens.
roption in the Magistracy of the Burghs, OM the no.
Inclose fact, that seats in the Council had been
sometimes sold for 1001. ; it ethers, for 301.; these state
had been sometimes vacated in favour of others for a
sem of money, anti at other times had be.n held by
individuals for a time only merely to serve political
purposes. The Noble Lord proceeded to state sere-

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cal oths lirlersAs ea& which the bergessca 1..
leered ; sad as he could not for a moment think that
the Mose, after what they had heard, of er pereeiv-
log the general feeling on the 'object in Scotland
tainted by the number of Petitions on their oble,
after the statement he had made of the snare mesa..
meats levied in acme places at the erbitrery will and
pleasure of the M. erases, ender pretests of Po-
lice and other espelicea, bet in reality to make good
dricieseies interred by their owe misconduct, h.
could not permit himself to imagine that they wawa
refs's. to appoint a Committee I. elemine iota thin
Important subject. Ile should therefore move, "That
the several Petitimif presented during the preienr
Session of Parliament, from the Royal Burghs of
'Scotland, be referred to a Committee to etainine the
matter thereof, and to report their 'vision Ciereon
accordingly."
Mr. W. DUNDAS said, the N.ilile Lord had betel
most unfortunate In-night, sitiee his arguments an l
his prnfestiinns were so mulch at variant.; for whilst
he declared he had no intention to urge Reface, is
the Constiration. his 'notices went to overturn the
Constituting' of Scotland altogether—'hut Constitu-
tion ender which S!ntiand had flooilshed for SW
Tears. The Noble Lord hod cemplaiwed, that eerier
the present system there we. err cheek on the etp.O-
, dilate of the fends of the Scotch Bergh*. flit an.
• rto that use, that there was new a Bill pestling
in the Bosse, the object of which Was to impose that
check ; bet the reply of the Noble Lord and of the
Petitioners was, " No; that will net do; we will:
not bate that, betas.. we want move—we went the
Burghs thrown open and Refers.4—Wee set this,
he wash! ask, Parliamestery Morava Bet be
would ask the NON* Lord, was he or essy seen It the
Bosse prepered to say, all the clew Boreeghs in
England should he thrown open ?—And suitk tech s
measure was adopted in Ilia country. be trusted the
raperimeet would not be tried at the "spews of the
Constitution of Scotland.

Mr. PRIMROSE deniard. that the object of that
Petitioners, either lowlled or declared, sot Pieties
memory Refer., It was sot a Reform' le the Portia.
,eatery itepreaenration, het the Representation cif
the tiorgesses in Corporations, which the Petitioner-Sr
;mowed to have emended to them. Ile was him.
*elf on moat so enemy to the attempt et ,whit woe
called Parliamentary Reform, that he would oppost
It as hog as he had a test in the litsese. The present
entlon, however. bed hi. warmest support.
Mr. W. DOUGLAS salts In Career of the moth's
for golag into • Committee, although decidedly hos.
tile to what was called Parliainetitary Reform. Se
march misreprommiatiort had, howyver, gorse singed
ea the "object of abase Its this Burgh Syarem In Scot-
iond, that he was minions fur enquiry, for the Nile
faction of rho [medic mind.
Mr. 1301WELI. co"ceired. that if the change
wished for were to be .rented, it would produce en
anneal Poll Eleetins, and introdooe and
elsofc.ion4oto the Burghs. He slsrreonsittered, that
if it were to be conceded, It would only be a'step
towards Parliamentary Reform.
Mr. J. I'. GRA r ',id, that the whole of the
hoprlness .red prosperity of the Scotch Bergh. de,
printed rie remedying rho defect' in the mode of their
internal rogeletiortv, alto tins collection sod ripens
this,* of their Amory. tie saw sat hire in any mad
groupie' himself to be Paiond of Pothamentsry Re-
form ; bet he was satisfied that very few of those Pe*
thinners were fayseiers of Parliamentary Reforve.J.-
The Petitioners only wished the Report of the Coe
elites of 1792, to be followed up by new enquiries.
All that the Petitioners require,i area, that run Cot
poration should elect ill own Common Councilmen,
and that these again should elect the Magistrates;
yet each a request was said to amount to a wish to
introdoca the confusion of a Westminster Eire.
lion into the Burgh. of Scotland. The Crown
had, from time to time, altered the sot of the Royal
Burghs of Scotland. This was acquiesced in by
the Legislature, mud that was a complete answer to
any objection that each en attention was contrary to
the articles of Union. The greatest lawyers in Scot.
laud had held that, according to the present state of
the Boreal, all the beige's', were liable. in their
private properties for debts contracted by the Mae,.
:rates, without soy contrast on the part of the hos.
gem,. This thee was, as he thought. caste enongh
for the Petitioners to call for a Committee to enquire
into the abase. they had complained of.
Lord BINNING thought ibis question should be
set at rest at once by negativing the present modes.
lie was not ewers that any deep seesstion had been
eacirerf in Scotland on this question, or that it wee a
I subject of that importance which hail been slated.—
lie believed that the greet putt of the Petitioners were
I (scooters of Parliamentary Reform. Ile considered
that ihn lmrtl Atltoca p's ITII for establishing Audi-
tort of the Burgh rereiturs, would meet all the real
evils complained ..rby the Petitioners ; bat this they
refused. sod setlili have nothing but 101 l Election,
or, in other words, R..lotrn at Parliament. The pro-
lent coestitetion of the `catch Bert;lis had ezitted for
350 years ; end he maintained that though the end.
'shy of an abuse was rie *scow for ii,—(//ertr,
Atern—yet the antiqoity of a oya•em like this iris
le its faviser. Ilis principal objection to this violins
was, that it "timid be but • step to Parliamentary Re-
form. Bat be would rather prefer the I:onstitution
as it was, pith all its great and ackailierledged beget-
fits, end its few theerrolcsl defers, thee the feeble
remedy of sww4erate Reform ie Porliemeel.
Mr. W. WYNN said, that If the Veils mum
contract, it ems a reciprocal use; cad thite(Bl64l6
Acts to pesoont complies is An Bertiegha of e.g.
lewd, each us Ay leohney and Shoreham, were pass
breaches of the Act ofUnion. The Constitutioss of
Ibis toiletry was essoetially see, going on cancel.
log abases and grievances wherever they nosy attar.
lie was an enemy its wild end indefinite Refoeme
because it betas by polling down before it laid the
foondation of any thiog. In voting for this meting,
he was not pledging bigtedf to spy specific moosero,
until he should see the Report of • Committee es lbe
*whirr,. The great veil teemed to base bees the we-
and tooled abuse of the sooroy of the Borsht ; sod
at .11 times Partiantent had remind that controul.

Mr. FOltal.l3 ',Tatted what he said on a former
occasion, that there was property is Aberdeen more
than the amount of this debts of that Bergh. If this
Notion was carried. It weeld 'ache hopes, which
cook, never be realised.

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