The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-06-30 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN

client.
Oil the witness beteg oiled in again, Mr.PKTER
SWORE cone,' ed the information to kiss in the
; roposed by Mr. Blengham.
The witness thin said, that he had been employed
by Sir C. Hsi tins and Mr. Teed. Ile costa sot sey
whether he was or was not priest at the Meeting at
Launceston, of the 43d March, though he thought it
most probable that be was, es he had bed meetings
•eith his client every day whilst he con.ineed et
'-_raencesten. Being asked again whether be was pre.
zest at a meeting when an egreement had been made
warding the withdrawing of this Petition, he refused
6061.611 Fr it upon the grounds which he had pietism-
', aimed.
The witness was main ordered to withdrew.
Sir C. HAWKINS, in reply to a gayeties' from
Sir J. Macintosh, said that he had released Mr. lamb
from all and every obligation of secrecy, as far as he
himself was rrsonalty concerned.
It was then nisintained by several Members that
Alt. Teed bad also exonerated the witness from soy
secrecy as to *hat related to his share of this meow. I
Sinn. In a discussion which .nose not of this gees.
Con, Mr. bIOtTIN asserted, that, eager as the
House was to punish bribery in others, it was their
defy t. prevent Altiribers being teemed to that
Moue by it, as some of them notoriously were.—
(ilder I)
Mr. W YNN rose and protested with soma warmth
against the diserderls Impose which the Hon. Gen.
simian was using. It was not to be endured that
such impetations should be thrown not against lion.
Members. For himself be disclaimed the charge alto-
gether.
Mr. MARTIN explained, and said, that be had
not the slightest intention of transgressing the orders
of the house, or of imputing to the Hon. Gentlemen
who had just sat down, any thing like the practice of
bribery.
When this discussion had ceased, It we* proposed
that thee farther rumination of Ibis witness should be
postponed till after the ether witness, Mr. 'ATI*,
bed been euesineil. This was agreed to ; and
after • discussion between Messrs. Warren, Wynn,
•nd other Memr, regarding the muft
thi in as hick
this poMposemebne s
t should be entered on e Joet ash,
Levis was called in.
Ho stated, that be had not been prnfessinnally
ployed at Grampostail diming the time of the elec.
lion. Ii bad been concerned at Easter, on the part
of oho sitting Members, end certain electors who bad
been indicted for bribery in 11117. Ile amid state to
the Howse those ciresmstances which were calculated
to make it understand this matter better titan it seem-
ed to him Is enderstend it at prevent. Bolos em-
ployed to defend the indictments which bed been
brosieht *hat the electors of Grampomd, he had
gone to Elmer to attend to one of them, which had
been laid in the county of. Devon. Ile then found
that an indictment bad been prtferred svinq Sir M.

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M. Lopes• a elan of the name of Hoot, another of the CoMallS4lol4 Off sEDERS. trerikdeladlik, grog* 114-4 die course he
00010 of Hallam., aud anther ..f the name at Slip. I Mr. DICKtNSON •dkerl two to brine in a Bill flatter himwelteris the 11 now before Lb. 11,iese.
mans, which he bed to defend. When he gm there,l••••legge theL Prrvisl" of 1,..he "of 11*n" VIII' G" i his awn personal %now.
he found such a copra of esillpore e„tierhed maims motive to the uPI4IOI,Se 1111.1 %AMONS'S', Of 114.100111• I wit, reolVl47 eat of Eve ot the case, of
arm, slim he apprehended • very different resell After • few words from a Member with whose 1 ergot, and retetity mated against the Excise officers
frier that which he had been previously led lc, , name we are beespointed, leave was given to bring :by the Rm. Mr. Chichester. Einierations to a 'my
ataticlpste, inasmuch as all Ore electors had stared . in the Bill. large amount had already taken place from the nettle
D SLECTION.
Ito him, that the loans which they bail received of Ireland, more wereespected. and this c...atry had
were not for electionteriag purposes. From the Mr. WYNTitAtollovedUNefter acme introdecter oh.
00 more hitter enemies than the emigrated I'm.—
confearions which be heard that several of the 'aliens, that the Attorney sod Soliri.nr.GeTneral
The Still Fines' law had introduced powerty,donot•-
b• ordered to move the Coort of King's Bench for its
electors hail made, he foiled that it would go iodise upon Si M. M• Lopes end th DDDD Med lisatiers, and wiry, into a part of the country
hard with the remainder of theta.--. The trial 44 1,-,,;b:stysi,l,, iris; ,"I.ii,for GraraPpol 1111 l I where they wet. previously comparatively •nk lawn.
of Sir M. Lopes was unhook to come en first, •nd Sr C. HAWKINS if we heard him correctly, Lord MOU mor.citA RUN .neintaitutd that yin..
ist, that trial he saw ouch 'Memo collected modest ,_. . t.ti out the Stall Sidi system Wooing up the new laws
sew; that two of the persons convicted were eery aged
his climate as led hint, from 40 years' esperience In little or nothing could Ur gained.
and infirm.
the profession. to rir.iie that a negoclation should he Sir 11. PARNELL ,liought that the Bill for pro.
After • few words from Mr. WYNN, the modes
entered into to Rapid fresh 'woo.' to both parties. meting small stills might base been brought in and
was agreed to.
Ile fond Mr. Lamb open to negotiation, and did pissed daring the pineal Seesion, if the attempt had
CAM ELFORD ELECTION.
then, tight or wrung, -.alto an arrangement between Mr. D. W. HARVEYpostponed the f Tiber on. been made 'efficiently early.
a C •
Lord (AWL LEREAGII bad no doubt the small
the partied. Of the agreement made in conseqoessce sideration of the Report of the Camelford Election
of that arrangement he had not s copy—one pert hail Committee until Friday. stills were the true remedy for the mil complained
been loft in his bands; bet he hail loin it, as of no Mr. HUM E observed, that he had been Wrested of, as affecting the reveue ; hat this was a mestere
ode, when the money was rid. 1, this agreement with a Petition from Mr. W. Haw, who had been rather to be submitted to the consideration of Perlis.
Mr. Lamb and he were pullet. A tern of menet , fnr the last week in the comedy of the Setjeant at msnt•
10001. was paid on its signature; and there was a After same farther observatinns from Mr. Dail.
Arms. for absconding to avoid being summoned t•
stipalatinn in it whirl, purported that all the earflaps attend the Camelford Kindel, Committee. As she son, Sir Georg& Mit (who took the sante view of the
him (the "vitae's); diacostinn of the Report was still further postponed, subject as the N doe Lord). end Gen. ILO,
of every kind Omsk! be paid by
; Mr. V. viTzGEILALD remonstrated against the
6,7001. had since been paid in addition to the 10091. he hoped that the House would not think it necessaryl
comments which had been made epos the late Irish
which he had formerly ineationed. These erre the
to confine the individual who had incurred its ills-
charges en the indictuten lane. Bills containing pleasure houg„. Government.
Items of the,. charges w 1111111Ceff41 he Idea. Ile .ru. Petition was the* blotted sp. sod, after ad- The dismission was thee continued between TAM
Jocelyn. the Right Hee. Mr. Peel, Mr. Callaghan,
bad not them with rim, bey were la his elleir.- Ile mistime the offence, it espreseed the contrition of
hid get 10001. takes off these 'Merges le Ike NOM, Mr. Mallet, and his 'iodises' to attend the House sad Sir N. "It'll'
way* so that the law "Ow" Is feet autolselld Wolf whomever be might be called upon :he had only kept Sir 11. PARNELL whined.
to 55001., and oho remaisleg sum paid wet foe theCu l. BARRY impressed his regret that his Right
salience. which Mr. Toed hid istereed at the elm- out of the way to "void the importunities of bath
Hen. Friend hod sot sufficient time to masters this
pities, having in the first instance left London for
part of the Bill, because be cousidered it to involve •
lion. Ile expected to he 'repaid by
Members, bet had no had meth seseerestlem with pis fees. 111001 essential provision.
Ur. Maurice Fitzgerald, Mr. O'Callaghan, and
them epee the subject Mr. HUME added, that he hoped the fair admit-
Mr. French, made some obeereations, bat we could
Being milted *sheik had rowboat say Wag ou
is Um Wm *till his health. He prayed to be released without paying
sion of the fact by the Petitioner, and his willingness
account, either from Wan MeMbairear soy of to attend whenever called upon, would induce the act Front
their Imisots-
their friends: en their bellelfs be ssleeltted that he was House to mitigate his perrisbotent. General HA It r deprecated the continuance of say
in Ireland. All onseressary se.
not bend to answer anTllPsletkeestion. Mr. WYNN recommended that Mr. Billet should system of severity
The witness was here ordered to withdraw• In be brought upend reprimanded to-morroo ; and after I verity •f severity I'd been un
wire
wet only
his absence, it was decided that the question might to a Agree remark boo Mr. Mopes it was ordered rie.. in the aril Inititutions, bet in the Army, sod even
be answered. .
cordiegly. in the schools of England. He knew no roues for
On his re.admlssion he confessed that he had re- COTTON FACIfORIES. maintaining it in the other pert of the empire.
coiled money from gneiss( the sitting Members ; bet Mr. PEEL snd Mr. BENNETT mid a few words Lord JOCELYN said a few words.
that Member had not slated on what account it had aerate the table, bet they were Inaudible; after Mr. C. HUTCHINSON was adverse to the Bill,
been paid. Being asked to what amount he bad been Is Web the Cotton Factories Bill was read a third time Meson..! went totally to change a system of law
sepsW, he admitted that he had been repaid • consi- and passed. which had been found eeperimentaily operative, sod
defible sum, bat declined stating the amount of it. TRISH STILL FINEs, to introdsce another. the result of which most be en-
The witness ems sgain ordered to withdraw ;in The CHANCEI.I.OR of the EXCHEQUER certeie in every respecteseept that of its imposing ad.
his ~lea it wet determined to press the qmpetion. moved, that the house should resolve itself into a ditlonal tutting.
Some obseentions ware also made on the manner in ! Committee en the Irish Still Fines Bill, and the Hoese The Committee then proreeded to read the Bill,
which he bad gives his evidence. In consequence of I having resolved itself lot. the Committee, with Sir paragraph by paragraph ; and a great number of
this, on his Nieto Le the ber, he was laboured by the IJ. Graham in the Chair, . amendments, chiefly verbal, were proposed sod with-
Chairman, that the Committee deuageded an answer Mr. C. HUTCHINSON said, that he ohjected to &ten.
tVhe last guidon which had been pet to hiss, apd the whole of the memory. If the Right Hon. Gen- Among the Members who took a leading part la
aMt
had 'boy ea
that he would he mere re. Orman hail founded his determination is this respect this discussion, i.ere the Chancellor of the Esche.
eroded its his meaner of addressing (Ames. opnn the Rae. Mr. Chichester' pamphlet, he (Mr. goer. Colonel Barry, Sir George Hill, Mr. Citicheme
TM witness deedairoml all intention of treating the' llotchinton) mast say in ',ply, that the Right crie, General Hart, end some others.
Committee ebb disresPOCl. He had ',Maid from I Hon. Gentleman wits in no way jestified in coming The House divided en she Meese empowering tbe
Mr. Ibis (wetblek Ila said) 70001. Of 60001. daring to Poch a resolution, for that pamphlet we' fell levying of fines on Towa-lands by Greed Jory Pre.
dm Met asimith. The Hen. Member was indebted to i a 11"" onsgiesations, in many parts answered moments.
him very imply erre other occomits :be bed are itself, end in others was overcharged and everivroeght. For the claw, 331 Solent it. 17 l majority la emu et
*Nil Ilre very large concerns for him, both en Aisne,' . S .me of the acromtions, indeed, were even futile and. lie clause, it.
primes samest, sad that of the firm le which he was
ofdinorses,. He could not believe that the Chancellor The other Osten of the hilt haling been agreed
t,
Being some and the Report was ordered tin be received le.
I the Exchequer had proceeded to the length of to, end several new ones adopted, the Hesse lee
Being eskml haw much the Hon. Member might be , repesling the present beneficial law, iii conseqmpece
bighted to ttiss be was desired to withdraw to r .n. lof giving credit to sack rivertiona : be could not I morrost•
mown air ow objection which Alderman W. .1 i placed
himself that the tiaght lion. Geatiemen
Solt eselnet this siltation. , placed any reliance upon them ; sod if be did sot,
. Nets he was *ailed in again, he said lisit he bad , it was his ditty to call epos the Attorney-Gemmel
paid 10001. at Nester to Mr. Lamb. in a draft upon Ito promote the author for a scandalous libel.—
the house in which he was a partner in London. Of 'lt was toot became the ezisting law had io lON*
the either mosey stipulated to he paid, he hod paid few instanced been 'weeded that a Bill like this was
4.6001. to Mr. Dinner, and 1,3001. to Mr Teed.— to be adopted, which would be most Harlem to the
The sem of 3.3001. added to 1110 10001. which Mr. trade sod agriculture of Ireland. Ihe present law
Lamb hart previously received, discharged his bin had been very efficient in Donegal aid the North of
for law ripener". The 'ern paid to Mr. Teed wee Ireland, in patting down illicit distillation. All
to remunerate him for the travelling and other ex. enactments of this kind connected with the It
pence, which that Gentleman had incurred during were lieble to shim • but what be (Mr. Iletchinson)
the election. Among them oas a fee to Mr. Teed's complained of was, that become a forcible speech bad
son. The verdict of guilty which heti been gloms beets made, and an exaggerated pamphlet written, a
against the electors wet given upon Mr. Ted's mi. law which had produced so mach advantage was to
deuce ptincipally. be abandoned, at die risk of restoring a system which
The witness
Was then ordered to withdraw. it had taken years to destroy. The measure before
Mr. C. WYNN thrieght that there could not be the Hense would time the effect of injuring all the
any objection to having Mr. Lamb again called in end great distillers in Ireland, and through them a blew
eaamined. would be struck at the agricaltoro of the sister king.
lie was accordingly called in.—Being asked whe. dote. 'l'he appeal made to the Ilene against the fin.
then a copy of the agreement made in this business ing system was, that the Whiteout suffered for the
had been gives to him ? he refuse.; to answer the was
; bet by the new law a very bombs Police
question. was to be established IQ the various districts, half the
Mr. I'. MOORE informed Lim, that as both his 'woes of which meet be paid by the inhabitants of
cheats had rated him from the obligation of 1,- England sad Scotland, and the rest by the district
cieey. he was expected lota nseer the question. Be. where the Police was necessary. Sorely this was
Be-
tides the question did no refer to a transaction be. most effectually making the innocent suffer for the
mitten himself and his slisals, but between himself guilty; for what pretence was there to cell upon
and a third person. the empire at large to pay heavy sums bombe the Mi.
The violas then tweeted, that a copy of this nisters did not think it politic to centimes a enesscre
agreement had once been in his bands : be had it not, which had its a great degree pat an end to illicit dis.
however, at present; he had destroyed it ten days or dilation ? In truth, the present oishect o fGnee.
in.
however,
a fortnight ago; be bad destroyed it, because the par. orient was to benefit the Members for the North of
poses for %bids it hail been drawn up had since been Ireland at the espeoce of the inhabitasts alb whole
onswered.—Being asked, whether he did slot teen!. kingdom. The How. Member then went on to es.
led having received en intimation en his last ezemi. plain more fully lb eeils that would aria- from the
nation, not to destroy that paper ?he declined giving i encouragement of small productive e contended that
anyon,
answer. Ismail stills mould only be when they were
He was thee entered to withdraw, greatly multiplied, end their multiplication would be
The Home them resumed, the Chairmen reported the destruction of the rest of the trade. Ile coo-
progress, sod asked lege* le sit spilt on Thursday. eluded by farther pressiag the exageerations in the
Rev. Mr. Chichester's pamphlet, ad lby repelling the
Ordered.
On the motion of Mt. SEY MOUR, the Minutes attacks it vitamin's! upon the various -:cite Boards.
of Evidence taken this day were ordered to be rinsed. Mr. CHICHESTER rose, as we understood, to
Mr. C. WYNN said, that he would not pledge vindicate his relatioe, the author the pamphlet refer-
himself not to propose on some fetere occasion, that red to by the lust speaker, from the charges brought
some ponseedings should be taken against Mr. Lamb, against him. The Rev. Gentleman was saltines to
for tbe contumacy of which be bed been guilty, ia be allowed an opporteally of proving what he had
destroying a piper which the House had ordered him adulated, and he
certainly felt tha
ngt
asliesert ha
io d labored
not to destroy. under the disadvantage of makin ao
MR. OWEN'S PLAN.sesetity and tyranny, that appeared en the first
Sir WM. DE CRESPIGNY gave notice, that I blush incredible.
on Fritts,- nest be should move for the appointment 'I he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
of a Committee to examine into the feasibility of denied that he had wide the statements of the pam-
Mr. Owen's plan for emelloratiog Ore mandates, of ptilet
in question the grounds on which he hail acted
the distressed sod Memorial poor. it was obriees from the proceedings of the Ikon for
FOREIGN Eying
BILL. the last three or frier years, that • deep feeling pre-
Colonel DAMS said, that be had s Petition to veiled r
e.inst the marmite "omit, of the law relating
present to the House, which he ooght to have re-
to Still Fines In Ireland. He allowed that that law
ceived a fortnight ago, bet which, by some accident bad been in a considerable degreseffectoal in protect-
bad net come to his hands till very lately : It was a ing the Revenge, bat the increasing indignation
Petition from his Constituents against the Fotelgo against iduced hie
tPute : awl ;oy who acted wish
Enlistment Bill.-Laid on the tablet hint to look set bad in t
for a subsb Lobe dendeavoured

NEW SOUTH WAI.F4 DUTIF.S.

The New South Wales Dirties Act was committed.
Mr. GOULBURN said, these Defies had already
been disceswil is the early pert of the Session. They
had been levied ever since this was a rolonv. His
only new object was to ledenisify the Governor and
ethers for any levy of I)eties which may hare t,pelt
collected since the last Act crossed. Another &Jett
was, to ermines the ditties fur another year. and to
impose a Doty on Spirits made in the colony, if it
,beeld be found advantageous to establish • distillery
in it. He then moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
enable the Governor and ether Akers of New Spells
Wales to levy a Doty en Spirits made la the colony.
Mr. BENNE IT could sot agree to a Bill of this
kind, indemnifying the Government for levying teen
without the consent of Parliament. It was mat only
the articles of consumption in the Colony that were
taxed; bet e'en all articles of expert. Ile, how.
ever, was glad the Bill was congaed to one year. is
order to give time to the Committee to make farther
enquiry.
Leave was then glen to bring in the Bill.
In a Committee on the New South Wales Trade
Act, Mr. GOULBURN obtained leave to bring is a
Bill to enable vessels et WIG 1011•11/* than 300 teas to
' trade from Britain to New South Wales.
The Report i f Le Committee of Supply wsa
brought up ; and the Resoleties gratifies 60001. to
Gen. deyd was 'greed to.
The Report of the Committee of Wept and Means
was brooght up; when
Mr. HUN': contended, that there was not a ter.
plus of there millions applicable to the Stoking Fond.
as had been stated ; but only a surplus of shoot half
• million. Be complained, that the Finance Deco.
meals had been laid before the Haase at too late&
period to bi enquired into.
The CH A NCELLOB of the EXCHEQUER as.
'tided that the statements be bad already made to the
House were correct.
The sem of 1.600,0001. the charge on the Lean of
last yeet, had been provided for by the tales voted
by that Wiese.
Mr. HUME and the CHANCELLOR et the
EXCHEQUER mutually explained.
The Resolutions were then agreed to, sad Bills
ordered to be brought in.
The Report on the Scotch Churches Bill was taken
, into further consideration.
A degiltery conversation took place on the part
of the Chancellor of the Eachanaer, Lord A. Ha.
milliner, Mr. Horne. Lela Binning, Mr. Maxwell,
Mr. liorbein, Mr. T. Wilson, mud Mr. Primrose.
The Bill etas then ordered to be reed a third to.
morrow.
The House went into a Cvele. kin en the Siakieg
IFend Loan BM.
Mr. W. Strial had anticipated tined yeets ir
the course now taltkro, or that the interest ee the Ne•
Ilions! Debt must be reduced.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHNU Ea ha
always ptotested against any reiloction of the ie.
',lciest of ibs Nrional Debt. Tbs meson tbel