The Statesman.
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TILE STATESMAN.

;wired to me to turn the Isoiso, because a sculile en-
sued between thetu and the soldiers, when the latter
turned them back again ; at that time of the scuffle.
there were no stones or brickbats thrown at the soldierd

that I could perceive. I saw no atones thrown until

after the firing took place. Witness added, if a shower
of stones had been thrown, it would be impossible to
count them. I saw none thrown until the firing com-
menced.
he Jury adjourned at this tithe for about 20 minutes
is: -seder to take refreshment.
Tire Foreman said, that as the fact whether the Riot
Act had been read was most material, the hest way, in
Lis opinion, of coming to that fact, would be to summon
Sir Robert Baker himself.
The Coroner agreed to the suggestion.
The nest witness sworn was Edward Leath who de-
posed as follows :—I live at Jewin-street, Cripplegate. I
ens a stable-keeper. I saw an'offieer shoot the man. I
was in the Ifysle-park at the time, near Kensington-gate
arsd the Light Horse barracks. '(here were very few
people then, the procession had not come up. *I
was
there half an hour before the procession cause up.
ro:!e up the Park just after an officer, who was like the
one that shot the man; he ranked himself, and turned
towards the Riding School. I went through the gate
into Park-lane, and then rode down Piccadilly. I was
then idol sited that the procession was gone into the
Park; I tinned it ,id rode back to the top of Park-lane.,
I stopi.ed these till the procession came down to Cum-1
beriand-gate ; one silk of the gate was fast, and the
other opened. There were a few of the Life-guards in-
Side the ;.;ate, ant when the procession came up, both of
the at. were i;sstenesl. The soldiers pulled the rates
open when the procession cause up, and began to cut
away with their swards, and drive the people back ; I
sass two so clan essaog rues hit %yids their swords 'at
t!.e co( stet, hot 1-don't know whetiser they were cut or
no% proces • passed through, and they still
were cu:ting at and driving the people Irons one part of
e sts set to the other. As the procession passe. through,
I saw one et the Oxford Blues' horses fall by a trip
cousieg out of the gate. They still kept driving the
people bat% , anil one of them rode up to me, and told
sae be would mill use down if I (Ed not go back: lie
shook hi:. ssvoral at Inc as I sat on the horse. The officer
passed use immediately, and went riding towardsTyburn
gate ; he hawed himself half upon his saddle, awl le-
velled his pistol. I did not see the man fall! I heard the
peisisleery alt, •• You have shot a man." The officer
rode in nanongst the soldiers, the other party, and soon
after that, they fired several times. The crowd then be-
gan to throw burl: bats and stones at the soldiers. I
rode round the earner of Edgware-road, where I saw one
of the Life-g andsl stiap his pistol twice at a man.—The
pistol did not go to.f, and I rode on ; the Life-guards
tooted oil at she second turning, and I saw no more
of them.

/ty a Joryilian—l was near enouzli to the officer to
he e es.at it was a pistol which was bred, a largish
o:se ; I ~tic it in his hand ; I first saw the procession at
; I saw the detachments come out of the bar.
ilia:. at Kid:Oast:fridge ; the detachment at the, Hyde.
psrk-gatt had not an officer but a corporal. Another
detachment in nt on to firosvenor-gate, just by the 1(1.
iiii,g.school, at the other side just under the trees;
thee stopped there and I wont on to the gate between
Idle-park-corner and the Riditig•school ; I passed
ts,roligh the gate ; the soldiers stopped under the trees;
th.se were not above I Y or 20 soldiers at Stanhope-st.-
ife ; I AM almost sure that there was an officer with

that i arty ; 1 c sine afterwards to the top of Park-lane,
when theirs wine a few soldiers stationed paroling
about. As Or, officer ran along before use, he appear-
ed to be a .4111 man, and just the shape and crake of
Or wan that was at Cumberland-gate; I knew him
%ore by the horse than the man ; I saw the officer use
Ms mid.' before lie used Isis pistol ; I did not see him
▪ his sword, nor draw his pistol from the holster
sir an where else, nor return it after he had fired.—
His .k was ton ards use at the time; I was within
a' out f ant or five yards of the officer when he fired.—
As he p.i.:ed use, lie turned half way round, and tired
towards Edgrw•are-road ; he was then riding towards
Ty lin rat-turnpike.
A i•lan wa* here *hewn to the witness, who was re-
:o point out the situations in which he and the
err dat the time ;he shot took place, which be

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Tt.ere was so much difficulty in ascertaining the
situation of tb,• parties by this method, that it was re-
at length to appoint a deputation to accompany
the n t 111:Sa to the spot, and there take his explanation.
When the Deputation of the Jury and the nitness
itturned, the Foreman stated, that the man when on
the spot shew•ed the position on which he himself
stowl to the St. liiles's side of Cumberland-gate, while
this tint, er stood beyond the other side towards Tyburn
Ito iipike, and hired with his pistol inclined rather
hatios arils towards Cumberland-street, in the direction
•,t Lord liagots house.
Juror objected to a Gentletnan named tleorge, on
count of holding some communication with some of
the Jury►nen.
'Else Cormier said that he had no right to speak to
any of the Jury, and ought to remove to another part
of Ilse room.
Witness proceeded—At that time I heard a cry of " a
111.111 is shot," and I saw people running towards
the spot ; a slid not see the man who was shot;
I should know the man who fired, again. I think,
If I was to se him on a field-day, or accou-
tred as he was then ; he was a young man, thin,
4.r slender, about twenty or two and three and twenty,
toolish face, rather thickest shoat the mouth ; his
hair, as far as I could see, rather light, his whiskers
were lightest ; I did not hear the Riot Act read at that
lime, nor at all ; I saw a gentleman on a military
horse ; I asked who he was, and was Wormed he
was a Magistrate ; I don't know of my own know-
ledge whether any Magistrate was present ; the gen-
tleman rode from Kensington ; rode with us ; I saw
the same gentleman ride past me as I was riding on.
here ; he spoke to the soldiers, and they rode away
n hen be spoke to them.
Mr. Damson—When the officer rode past me and
fired, be was in a hurry ; he was in a soldier's canter;
think his horse was of a bay colour, a darkish bay ;
1 did know him by his horse; I • saw one gate of the
Park shut Wore the procession came up, and then the
other; I think the crowd shut them. but did sot see
them; I saw the scuffle between the people and the
soldiers in attempting to open the gates; I did net see
the constables assisting the soldiers in attempting to
open them ; I don't think I saw them all the whole
day ; I saw no stones er brick bats arum at the sol-
diers at the time in which the sagas bogus; wisest the
hearse got through the gates into the road, I saw the
postillion totioavoar to taro his Urals towards st.
tiilas'a; I was Asa book wiser Parkelaas unease; I

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rods hack ; t thin!: the people attempted to toin
horses down that nay is St. Giles's ; there urre 20 or
30 people round them at the time ; I did sot actually
see then what the people were dointr of, I was so *far
back ; I was then in the street side ; the , peo-
-ple were all round the horses ; the soldiers rode up di-
rectly and c+►t aid beat the people back ; I did not see
the people turn the horses' heads, hut I ritv the sol-
dier• ride up and &lye the' people away.—Cllerc some
discussion occurred as the opinion of the ta itn-ss re-
specting the turnin f the horses by the people being
evidence or not.)—The hearse was not quite through
the gate when the horses began to he turned : I saw
verb• few stones or brick hats thrown at that time : af-
terwards, that is, after the officer bad fired, I saw a
great number.
A Juror—l heard no firing bef ire I heard the officer
Ere.

Mr. WA rrtestaN—The offircer roil. past me and then
he fired ; I was petty near the gate: when the scaCe
took place between the people and the soldiers ; it might
be about six yards; as Hear as the corner ; I did not
see the officer then ; I saw no stones dying at that
time; I saw the horse of one of the Blues ; the
soldier was not lueocked down by a stone or brickbat ;
anofher horse put his feet oil the frame of the horse
that was down, ale! I thought I should see him rise
no more ; I was not hit mysetf with the stones or brick-
bats, nor did I see the odecer bit.
Mr. Alderman Wa • a tem AN—I did not see an.: stone::
at al; thrown before the soldiers began to cut and d. ivr
the crowd. I saw a youteg titan struck at by a soldier,
and be stooped down untle: the wall, ley which means
he escaped—otherwise he would have heen
did not see him do any thin to the soleiier.
The next tritness teas Thomas It uthet live
at ; I am servant to Mr. tietre:
I knotv nothing of t;:is procession; I saw of
it ; I am what is called Ltunan to Mr. Gore ; it is iny
business to keep his horse and accoutrements in or-
der ; when be goes out tO duty I can tell how lie
accoutred ; on the I Ith of August be was accoutred
with a sword ; he had a lit leLet,atil the usual uniform
of the regiment. It Is mostly usual fur soda officer;
going on such duty to take with them;
lent he never had a pistol since he jo'neel the regi-
ment, being such a young officer; I swear oven my
oath that he 11411 no pistol of his own or any hotly
elke's in his holsters roe the 1 Itli of August, when he
went out or when hr re turned ; I was nut on duty
that day ; he has a cloak, but it was not put on that
day; Le has been eighteen months ht the regiment ;
I don't know whether there is any certain time before
an officer is supplied pistols.
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The Wiiness—Me master was dressed on the 21st
in the same u•ay as on the 11th ; lie logs never been
shaved

A Jurtor—Mv o!•jcct in asking such a ques►ion 1% to
ascertain whether he had Whiskers on that day, which
were afterwards withdrawn.

A J um; --W hat k the colour of your waster's huh ?
_Witness. I Flu not know.

Juror—ls it light or dark ?—Witness. I never
served it.

Ilan he any at all :—Witness. Yc•-; but I can-
not tell the colour •

The questioq ►vas repe.lietl, no.' he said it wit', dark.
iVhene the Curoner rend his notes to wlttreill; •
A Joreer observed, that he had omitted the stateneetet
that the officer had nervy been shaved.

COI:ON hat has that to do witl the murder of
the man ?

Mr. WA ITIIM N—it has muds to do with this point,
to show what young, unlledszed boys me scut Illicit
such occasions which may endanger the lives of his
Majesty's subjects,
The examination proceeded—My master has Lys,
horses; Ise rode the sauce lat,rse on the I ills and •2lst.
The horse he rode is a light bay, his other boric is
black.

The next witness railed was Christopher Forge, a
corporal in the regiment. I was out on duty on the
I-Ith ; I was not with the procession when it
passed Ifyde Park; I was stationed at Cumberland-
gate. There were ten privates, two corporals, and a
trumpeter in all. I was one Ilf the corporal:. The
main body was stationed in Oxfoid-street side ; there
were eight there and two file in the Park. There was
one corporal include.; in the eight on the Oxford-street
side of the gate. The trumpeter was with the officer.
In-ide of the gate there were three privates and a Cor-
poral. The °Slicer who commanded us was Mr. Bore.
I was present when the procession came within 20
yards of the gate. The gates were then shut by the
crowd. The party I belonged to opened the gates,
and cleared the crowd away. A second time the crowd
came forward and shut the gates. and we had great
difficulty, being obstructed by a parcel of horsemen
who formed the procession. Three horsemen were at
the Park aisle of the gate. At that time, in opening
the gate my horse got his head cut, I du out know by
whom ; hut I was obliged to dismount and lead him
awes.; I then went towards the magazine ; the foot
guards were stationed there, hot I Ira% assailed nit!.
stones, &c. by a party who followed me on foot, and
was obliged to mount again and juin the foot parch.—
I then got assistance to stop the blood, and get the
horse's wound bound up. I afterwards went to the
Barracks, and saw no more.

By the Iroren►an.-1 did not see Mr. Core fire a pis-
tol that day ; but I heard the report of pistols by the
time I got half ►ray to the Magazine; I presu►ue Mr.
(lore had not pistols with him that day ; I am certain
he had not, neither of his own nor borrowed ; hail
no fire arms at all, nor any arms but his sword ; I did
not see bin► borrow a pistol front any of his men; it
was an omission of his servant, ►rho neglected putting
them in. It was at Cumberland-gate when I saw he
had no pistols ; I was beside him at the time. Ile
said I have no cloak, and I observed he had no pistol.
Ile may be 20, hut not 30 ; he is a light man, rather a
ruddy complexion ; is a healthy looking young man ;
the colour of Isis hair is light; I can't answer whe-
ther he has whiskers ; I have not noticed ; n►y horse
was severely cut, be Med about five quarts; I pre-
sume be was wounded by a knife, or something of that
sort ; I did not observe any person near me with a
knife or sharpinstrument ; I will undertake to swear
that it was not dune with a sword ; I did not see it
done ; how could any one do .it with a sword whets
there was no one there who had i sword except the
soldiers ?
Juror-.-Did yen see say mopes with tie ereord
.Witaefs. Ugly brisk-bate and sleeve; l sap saris-,

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fled it was not done by either of them; I do believe!
the horse.was eat by a knife or *sonde sharp instru-
ment; the officers have no covers to their bolsters as
I knots. ; it was the fashion formerly, bat they are now
generally dune away with; I never knew Lieutenant
Gore on duty before without his pistols, or do 1 know
that he ever went with them. After an officer is die-
missed by the Riding Master and Adjutant, he is en-
I titled to carry pistols, not before ; 1 have not seen
mustachios or whiskers on Irico.tettant Gore ; 1 can't
say he shaved them off. He was on parade on the
day of the inspection, accoutred as on the 14th, the
colour of his horse is a bay, rather a light bay, or a
rich bay.
Mr. Matson—The first time Cumberland gates were
shut, there was a mass of people, I can't say how tnany,
for 20 or 30 yards before the procession came, and the
mass of the people shut them. I was struck several
times with stones and brickbats. I saw some of my
comrades struck repeatedly at the same time. We
forced the gates open at that time with extreme diffi-
culty ; the difficulty the second time in forcing them
open, was greater than at the first; there was a greater
number of horsemen , I saw no constables with staves
a.:sisting ; at the. second time there was a throwing of
stones and brick bats ; it continually kept on ; when my
horse was wounded, I was dismounted, and went to-
wards the magaiine ; that on the opening of time gates
the second time, the occasion of my mounting my horse
again, was the mob following and throwing stones at
me and my hors., which caused me to mount my horse
again ; the Park wall was :hrowim down at the time of
opening and abutting the gates ; 1 know that was
the time, it was about between the first and second
time of shutting the gates; it was all within a few
tninutes; the soldiers were nut using their sabres be-
fore the people began to stone them ; on the soldiers
opening the gates the stones were thrown ; 1 can't say
I saw them or any of the people struck at the time ;
struck at several of the mob myself, but did not cut
then, ; I struck with the back of my sword, but did
not hurt any, nor see any of my comrades do so, to get
the gates open ; I had nay pistols. I used the sabre
myself against the people sitting on the wall.
Juror—Those persons hail no stones:—Witness.
I beg your pardon, Sir, if they had not brickbats in
their bands I would not go there ; I cut at one man;
I struck with the back of the sword ; the stones were
!lying from there continually.
Mr. 11!aeLie proposed an adjournment to Monday.

The Foreman proposed that Sir It. Baker an►l
Cul. Cavendish should be tionnsoned for Monday,
which was ugrrc►l to.

'I be Jury then, at :t quarter after eleven o'clock, ad-
journed to two 11'clucl; on Alimilay, at the same place.

TO TilE EDITOR OF THE STATESMAN.

SI it—i lasi tix seen my name publicly placarded in large
hill', announcing- tbat subscriptions will he received and
explanatory hills delivered by me resilecting the funeral
of Honey and Francis, I leg uneipi:vocally to say,
Live never been applied to by any accredited authority
for either ; and though I deeply regret the death
of these unfortunate men, and more deeply the
cause iii which they originated, I differ from the
prnjectors of this measure butte politically and reli-
giously ; the Sabbath never was intended to be set
apart foxoruade. I pity the relicts of these unfortunate
men an Id willingly add tay mite to assist the wi-
dow and the fatherless, but I can never sanction either
directly or indirectly a measure, which, in my opinion,
militates against the cause which I considet paramount
in the heart of every honest man.—ltequestingyou will
have the goodness to give this publicity,
remain, Sir, your obedient Servant,
Jouy

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LONDON:

SATCRDAT EVLNING, AUGUST 25, 1821.

The Inquest on the body of one of the unfor-
tunate men who were shot at Cutolterland-gate, con-
cluded hst night, and concluded in a manner which
the public in general anticipated. The verdict given
in the case of George Francis is " :Warder
against a Life Guardsman unknown to the Jurors."
This result, the Ministerial writers admit it would
he affectation in them to say occasioned surprise;
though they own they feel at it both regret and
alarm. We, too, acknowjedge that we feel concern
that such groands should have been given by a
British Soldier as to compel a 'latish Jury to
charge him with the crim. But the I:4mm which
the ministerial writers feel is of a different kind ; and
the same pens that were the other day employed to
restrain the Jurors on the inquest fr iofringi
the prerogatives of the CORONIR,
was the province of that officer to
and of the Jury only to examine the
gaged in laying &swathe law to him'
holding up as the most competent jud
him what he had omitted to state in
Jury. The distinctions between Chance-medley,
cuseable homicide, arid Culpable
say ought to have been pointed
under the attention of the Jury
these writers proceeds so far as
the so things having been omitted
brought," the verdict it a perfect
for the conerstreey of this species
gentlemen, and the respect in whirls
the isetitntioneet their esenttry. sod
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