The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-03-22 00:00:00

THE sTATV.sMAN.

apprehension of which he had.ropier.. S.ll\ nothing I
articular in the Manner oi those a lio rano. towards 1
Martel...stet that morninr to ea..itr a!arin. Ttelqr that
hail then seen (before nisi.. in 11., iimrning) nut
it rrb or carry tlairs., 'tanners. or reviid,:•..onary ..4•11.17ne5.
affidat it he hail sken•lied and left a: the office, that
it might he eupiril and lot-0110a to hit. to be •itutti.
...mill' alterations were made in it afterwards Lt• witness
at psis (Inn silt:ft-ohm. The dozen gen:lemen nut
ai.rn it at the Police-office, hut aftera mak, at 31r. Bilx. I
lot's house, lie stopped at dies Bos'on's house I.lgt
tees minutes, and then lie ref urnent to 1:a Held where he.
I ail lwery before. This affidavit was to this effect :—That
Costing been informed of the t rain; rigs in the neigh-
-I.ourlnioil, and hearing that treat hoilies of men %ere
inarching to Manchester, and he was of opinion that if
t!.ey ;starched into the town nith revo:ittionary emblems. '
he thought it would go to overawe the town, and
create confusion. This was to put the :Magistrates in
possession of his opinions, and those sit other gentle-
men, leaving them to take their own measures, for the
Purpose of enabling them tat prevent tlictii from coming
Into the town. This he thonrht micht be properly
alone, but 'lid not suggest it to the )141,:istrates : lie left
them to act on their "nil iiiseretion. Soy a number of
I...evons standing befort. ii".s At the meeting with sticks.
I hie man near hint had a bhid enti ‘‘itit knob.
which he held over Isis shoulder till a 111'ln melded anal
pointed to it, anti then lie drorped it d 0.% n. It was not
o,unhlereil like a ti:ll.ket. 'floe II1A:1 that pointed had
a: s.) a large stick im4lsis hand. Witness was not insulted
t.t assaulted. Could not sae whether the divisions that
lie saw march to the around %ere general:3. armed with
',irks. The words lie had heard 3lr. limit say at that
Cote were, "if our tunnies wont': keep order, put them
.h.wit.•and keep them down." Thought this was before
the military came, but was not quite %lire. Did nut
-pow that any holy nas particular:}' pointed at when
11,.. words in question were used.
Ile-examined by spiv. Sctrtt.crT.--Mr. Hunt might be
tea minutes AM-es:Ling- the people: dial nut catch all
tl.athe said; r0..1.1 not see the military from the posi-
t:4ln in which he stood : made his Jrl,u.irun before
f7rint information that hr had received 4.1 the • kirarter
of the intended meeting, bait dill hut •tve:tr to it till
steer he had seen the multiinde arrive in the wily whirls
lie described.
Ile-examined he Mr. fluter. —llemcinhareil the phi.
t 17J calling a :riveting. fur the 9th, ennt.:ittell a propos'.
t'..:11 for some election of a legislatorial attorney.
41Ir. SCARLICTT believed that it wax to elect a leziala.
tonal mettiher.. _ _ _

Mr. HUNT said, it was to elect a legislatorial attorney,
87:d requested the Judge to keep Mr. Scariett decent.
TJ he une* was not aware shat be haul permitted any
tLtig indecent on the part of Mr. Scarlet,.
Mr. SCARLZTT hoped his coodurt haul not Leen other
tLan decent (runs the beginning of the trial. hot hr had
sl'ouit:ed to what he thought ts as not decent from 31r.
John Willis, examined by Mr. Serjeant
new Johnson, bad conversed with him on the %object
e. the meeting. Johnson haul said the hig men of Man-
s :.ester tilos/Hat putting it off from the 9th to the Rids
*wild do it away entirely; but they were tinder a mis-
t e, fur by the 16th, ihey (the geformers) would he
re suly for any soldiers that •coitld he brought against
taut ; this was said in a public-house OD the lith trf
A:sgust. Talking of the [Adding and the shooting of
Mr. Horsfall, Johnson bad said that he knew that Mr.
Iforsfall would be shut, for a party of men had deter-
r!nril to go to London and upset the House of Cone-
,. (JIM or something of that sort; but they did not go
ti.on, because they were Rot yet strung rooms:* to pro-
vide for their wives and children, if they should he taken
Manners, or come to any harm.
Cruse-examined by Jolinson.—Was a betrlair I arm
au-?rd as a spy in his life. Johnson had conversed with
I ..s, as he had previously stated. Never said to the
Magistrates Johnson was going to take the barracks by
storm.

By Mr. Herr.—Was not drank when the conversa-
t i 'on n question took place; did not recollect any other
particular conversation. Said after Johnson was gone,
that if Nadin had been there he would heave taken him
up. Did not know Johnson, till lie was told by the
landlord that that was Johnson, the brush-maker, t:ie
great Reformer. Took no measure. to base him apiire-
I ended. Never bothered his head with any such like.
.tislinson, though a stranger, told all this to witness and
S Ater. Part of it was addressed to witness, while
!Cater was out of the room. It was that part abent
:1 air " being ready by the. 16th for the soldiers."
s!aier and witness lied talked over this matter. Dail
I:-artl Slater say that he was out of the room while that
Lion was made. Had wanted to hear what they
could get bins (Johnson) to say. Never informed Nadirs
of this. Believed he did not tell the landlord of it that
right. The landlord was Igniting nit his company, aid
ird nut tell bites of it. Could nut say when he lint told
S:ster.
Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant 110.Locis.—Dail been
sent fur by Johnson, when passing Johnson's house one
day, after he had been before the Magistrates ; went
Wu his (Johnson's) shop, where there were three or
6stir persons, and Johnson said, s' What, you've been
before the Magistrates ?" Witness said, " lies." John-
son then told him he was a fool for going with the
beadle who had been sent for bins before the Magistrates,
nithont making him show his authority. He then asked
what had taken place ; witness would not tell him there,
hut would tell Lion in any private room, or at the York
l'un, where they could be by themselves. Johnson said
he was not &Aimed of any one hearing about it. Wit-
ness said he thought Johnson used him very ill, to call
I.:In into his shop before people whom be believed to be
*lnt of spies, and woold not tell hint any thing.
Joseph Slater, examined by Mr. Serjeant Caoss.—
Rensembers Johnson being in Ilia house with last witness
we the ell. of August. Witness began by saying, that
he understood that Johnson and NieholasWitwortli were
to he returned to Parliament. Johnson said it was all
nonsense. Witness shortly after left the room. Johnson
remained with Slater. On his return, they were roo-
st-ming about the murder of Mr. llorsfall,wlsen Johnson
said, " Do you know, Mr. Sister, that at that time there
was a set of men determined to Igo up to London and
disperse the House of Commons! Witness ridicules,
the idea. " 0, hut," said Johnson, " I know it fur a
fact, and it would have been shine, had the subscription
been large enough to keep their families while they were
away, or, in case they failed"—(witness laughed)—" 0,
hut," sacs Johnson, " do you recollect when Bellingham
shot Mi. Perceral, what confusion there was ? Here
teas Lord Castlereagh scrambling out of • room, and Mr.
Canning out of another; and when Bellingham was
taken, they were all ready to tear him to pieces; am I if
one could frighten them so, lie (Johnson) was sure that
it could be done." Johnson showed be Features how
they (the House of Commons) had acted in their hurry
on that occasion. Saw Johnson last Saturday week at
his own house in Manchester. He (witness) was first
coining to Yori.c. Johnson said, " Yon will recollect
that I said I heard it for a fact." Witness replied,
" No, you said you knew it for a fact."
Cross-examined by Mr. FlCNT.—Witness kept the Hay-
(Norse. Johnson hall told witness that there would be a
useeting on the Midi of Auzost. Willis said,when John-
son was gone. that " if Nadin had been there, he would
hare bed him." Had spoken to Willis 00 the subject
repeatedly since, hat
had to prove at to what Johnson said while witness was

out of the room. Knew nothing about Johnson's saying
they should be reads- fur the soidter., II the 16th "t
August. Thonglit wfi.it hail heard from Johuson a
foolish and wicked story. Johnson was certainly speak-
ing in earliest. Witness 'lid not inform the Pollee of it.
' If he were to coniamnicate every foolish conversation!
,that passed in a pub:lc-house, he sfiotild do nothing else.
Witness and Willis had never compared notes.
By Mr. liust.—Johnson went, on that occasion, to'
witn.<s's house, to loot,: at a sow that was about to bring
some pigs, one of whirh Johnson was to have. Johnson
• then treated the report of being almut to become a Mew-
-1 ber of the House of roimi.ons as being false. On Satur-
day weelt Johnson called on unties* again about a pig,
rub then told bins (witness) that if he said nothing but
what he (Johnson) bad said, be (Slater) would he a
• good unties.; for him. Never heard him (Johnson) de-
clare that he wool l overturn the lions/sof Conimons,bnt
lie said that lie knew something of the kind hail been
intended to he shine alinet the year l!i12. Witness bind
been but once or twice to Mr. Norris and Mr. Milne
since his deposition ; went fur his deposition, that be
might see what lie had sworn, but was told that it was
gone to London ; had n;.% rr seen it since he iigned it.
Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant enoss.—Jolioson said
he knew that it l:ad keen intended to overturn thr lions*
of 00000 nons; had no reason to believe that Johnson
said there was to be no election. _

John Sliatvero.s, examined by Mr. Itirrhrost.r.—
Hail purchased a tiewsparr proiloced in Cony). at the
Office of The Alanehe.'rr Obsereer, on the j!st of
July.
Cross examined by 34. Hunt. —Was Clerk of the Pm
lice-otfice at Manchester ; saw placards advertising the
meeting called fir the 'Jai Angitst. Aelieved, in conse-
quence of that meeting being prohibited by the 31agia.
!rates as illegal, that the design was abandoned. The
meeting called for the Itith was not called in exactly the
saute words as the former ; he believed that sonic of the
bills milling the latter hail been mken down. A number
id sticks, *woes, pike., l't tri. banners, and Caps of liberty,
hail been brought to Yor!i; they were in the care of Mr.
Naolin.

31Irhael Fitspatrirk examine-II by Mr. SuAnt.rpr.—
Attended a meeting held in Sinithitelal on the 21st of
July. Mont pr.ai le h. L'ertaiu resolutions passed
in the presenre of Mr. Hunt Witness recollected re-
ceiving the resulittions handed to him from Mr. Haat.
Witness t% As a Reporter for The New ; stood ON
the left of Mr. Hoot: received them Irons Mr. Hunt's
own 1.451.1. He *eat with two other gentlemen, one of
whom gots. wised in the nlll.l, that he was obliged to
retire. 11 itness was politely are undated with a place
in the wargon by Mr. Ilnnt. who said he was very glad
to see him ,as
, . he thonett witness would give a fair re-
', port. The resointions were passed; the most violent
were the most applauded.
Crowe:amines' by Mr. licaT.—llad considerable dif.
&ally in his
to the 'flutings. Was so alarmed that
he pat on his worst coat, but dial not know that lie felt
say personal alarms. Saw nu violence. lied bees at
many meetings where he (Mr. Hunt) had presided. and
nu arts of violence hail rouse within his personal obser-
vation. Recollected %heaviest of Mr. Harrison. Those
on the wagyfon? or that side of it by which the niteres
Paterral. saw It. hat thousands them. he was of opinion.
. might know nothing about it, it WOW ON OD qn irt ly. I 'mild
nut say aheilier or not Mr. Harrison bail pre% iously
spuk.eu ; that he hail. Rerollecte.l Mr. Hunt
hasl'Aaid;" there's Brown or Multiuse genie to Arrest Mr.
Harrison—will von let him g ar and with a prood-I,n.
0000 ore.l shrug, told 11 r. Ilarrison that he had better
go quietly. ur words to that effect. R.-collected that Mr.
thud had said, lie would [o if tiles- ...At far his., ;Not
the least violenre Was offered. Harrison. witt; bit-
tiered, asked advice of Mr. Hunt, and was told ..sa
Received the resolutions from Mr. lionftr who
was particularly desirous of acconsonotlating witness as
he came from '/'he New Timm Witness heal no idea of
proilswilig them agaiivot him (3lr. Hunt) in a Court of
Justice. Thought he hail asked fur a ropy, anal that he
received tl.riei a bile they were in the art of loving read.
Would ;sot say that any .of them heal t hen been put singly.
timid not recollect whether or not they wrre mot Irmo
I a printed raspy. Knew Mr. Orton. Sever heard him
I cutionounicate what he had seen of the proceedings at
Manchester. _ _ .

lie-examined by Mr. SCARLATT.—IIaiI often attended
meetings where Mr. Hunt presided, and retired before
they concluded. Violences might have ()centred which
he bail not seen. Believed that the Sp:l44llls meeting
was the first of them that he had attended. It was im.
possible for the resolutions at Smithfield to he heard by
more than a tenth part of the meeting.
'rite resolutions were then read from a newspaper 3f
the 1:1,1 July, I+l9.
Witness Lad the ropy of the resolutions given to him,
while another copy tray bring read to the meeting, and
found them to roue/pond exactly.
Mr. Ile NT objected to theprintell paper being received
..s evidence, as he had been served with nu notice to pro-
Jure the original manuscript.
The Junin: held that they could be received, as 110
evidence had been given of the existetire of the original
manuscript ; hut lie tinted the objection.
Here the cave fur the proseention closed.
DEFENCE.
Mr. Bannon-, who is retained for Moorhouse and
Jones, then proceeded to address the Court. He sub-
mitted to his Lordship whether the svideies which had
been adduced, as it affected his clients, was asttlicient to
implicate them in such a way as to render it necessary
for their case to he sent before the Jury, or whether his
Lordship would not direct the Jury to acquit them
immediately. The charge in the indictment slid net
seem at all sustained by any part of the evidence. The
Learned Counsel. here read over the indictment, which
charged the defendants with maliciously and strdittotmly
conspiring to tiring into hatred and contempt the Go-
vernment of his Jlajesty, with intending by force and
menaces to disturb the peace, and with exciting to riot
and tumult ; and contended that the criminal charge
was not countenanced by any part of the evidence.—
There neinr only two counts float were at all applicable,
even in appearance, anti these were nut substantially
protest.
Mr..lspoire BAYLEY thought the case should go to
the Jury. It was billy necessary to prove, in a mixed
indictment of this kind, as much as constitutes' a crime.
There was evidence that Mourlionse and Jones were at
the meeting of the With. That meeting was charged
wiz:, being an unlawful assembly. If they were there
for th.c purpose of strengthening the meeting, and ex-
tending. its power of intinfdation, they were guilty on
sonic of the counts. It re maned with the Jury, illy%
to deride whether the two defendants were present as in-
nocent spectators or active pail sans. He could not.
therefore, direct an acquittal in the first instance.
Mr. BARROW arquieseed without further observation.
The Jury retired for a little, on the suggestion of the
Learned Judge; anti, on their return,
Mr. BIRROW rontinned his address. The evidence,
as it affected his two clients, applied to the fonrilt and
6fth counts: the former charging them with assembling
maliciously on the 16th of August, with 6ti3Ontl other
persons unknown, fur the purpose of moving the sub-
jects of the King to hatred, and contempt of his person
and Government; the latter with maliciously ASseinblisir
in a formidable manner, with inflanimatOry banners,
I Ste., against the peace .if the King, his crown and dig-
nity. The second rotten charge& with riot, and with
inspiring terror and alarm. It was 1101 e the duty of the

Jury to apply the evidence which lead been brought
forward in support of those charges to the case of his
clients, alld to determine whether npon any of them his
clients war implicated. Before, however, be stated
whit he had to say on the evidence, he must wake an
oh.ervation or two on the speech of the Learned
(Mr. Scarlet°, who so ably supported the else h' the
prosecution, in many of tier sentimeots he (Mr.
Harrow) entirely concurred. He held in his hand a
copy of The Tidies newspaper, in which that speech was
reported, and he coned nut help, in passing. haying a
high compliment to the reporter for the aeeitrary and
fidelity with which it was given. His nould appeal
to the Learned Counsel himself. whether the report
did hut contain almost word for word the speech as it
was delivered.

Mr. Jnstire lismr.Y.-1 am extremely sorry that it
should ha% e been pahlilhed till the proceedings bad been
closed.

Mr. HUNT.—The whole provetuding4, soy Lori, are
published.
Mr. Justice BATLET.-1 am awire of that : hitt I hope
the Jury will nut allow theansel% es to be inflateuced by
such publication.
Mr. BARROW said he Was nut alluding to the report
for any other purpose but to refresh his own me 1111 l ry
with what his Learned Friend had said. lie then read
various passages from the repot t in The Times, in wisicio
he said he entirely concurred witii the Learned Cumosel.
We was recommending to the Jury to 11111 Miss from their
twits& whatever they had previously heard or read on
the snhjert of the trial, and to judge by the evidence
alone whirl% shoal! be laid before them. He read an-
other Intotages in which Mr. Scarlet hart expressed his
satisfaction at the choke which haul been made in send-
ing the defendants before a York-shire Jury. In this
expression of satisfaction he (Mr. Barrow) concurred.
Another passage stated, that the object of the public
prosecutor MU wily to try and punish the leaders of the
conapirary, or the instigators to the nnhswful a-tenibly
of the 111th. This he (Mr. Barrow) highly approved of.
if the as-embly wag ales-hired tube what it was stated in
Ilse indictment, let the leaders sutler what the laws of
their l'Uli lit ry awarded ; but what was the evidence that
implicated Mr. Moorhonse as a leader? when was he
introduced into the conspiracy? where was he intro-
duced:- and bow had he (vadat-tad hiueuelf on the 16th
of August The tiro eonnexion of 3looriamise with the
case under trial was by his taking a ride out to Bul-
lock's Smithy on the fifth of August, to meet Mr.
Hunt, who teas coming to preside at a meeting to be held
et 31.1nelsester on the 9th. Ile dial not there see Mr.
Rout, Inn he sort him at Stockport, where be asked him
to his gun-e. \I r. Ilstio aecepted the invitation. On the
9th 31r. Hunt p:ocee•bal to Mat-heater, and 31--sorhotsse
accompanied him in one of his own earriacre. The
meeting h been putt ashr, 1.11 ill to ass objection which
the ,Magi-!rates -stated to the objects for whirls it was
called. It did not elinseuptently pl Ice on the slay.
But if the object of 31r. Moutiont-e hall been to attend
an unlawful and riototts assembly, y Was it postponed,
and why dial he afterwards proeeeul to another, iseeonis
polies! by his wife? 3lr. Moorissesse 11:1,1 long been a
married man : lie had eleven children, :led his wife was
six months pregnant with another. Now, could it be
believed for a moment that be would proceed to an an-
ticipatesl scene of riot and eonfuelon, accompanied by his
wife in this condition ? Mr. Monello's., therefore coidsi
not have furine.l a conlsiraey, the objects of which were
to In carried into mr..rt by means of the tumult and dis-
may orated liv tlsis Inert i lie conk( not then be one
of ihe leeuleri ssiels conspiraey ; could it then be
chariot' to him as a crime the hr Was at the meeting?
If this was the case, all the 60,otet mentioned in the. le.
abetment were guilty as well as Iris direst. Was the
company of Sir. Hunt snfficient to isisplieate him? To
say this would Ise monstrous, when it was considered
hoar little he was connected with that individual. A
witness, however, who was in dres.lfatl terror anal alarm,
hail stated that he saw :dr. Mourlemse leading the
Stockport division to the ttieetinz of the 16th? How
was he leading it? Why. he hot no other elsarasoer
of a leader than that of being tiro or three steps in
ashrams of it. He was a proprietor of stage coaches,
and one of his own CII,II4IPS being tilled with ?avengers,
hr had got on the top of it. The coach was in its rep-
hr rourse to 31ancloester at the st teal hone, anal arrived
at the White Bear in sine time. This ronld be proved.
But it was said his client was with Mr. I on his way
to the linstings. This seas easily etplained. He was
pas-ing the street as 31r. Most entered, and, being seen
he 31r. Hunt, was retpirsted to monad beside bins. Ile
did so, hot was never on the hustings. He was charged
with a riot. The defendant haul too riotous intention in
coming to 31ancliester that slay, as could he proved. A
useetitig had been advertised for the 9th. It was put off
in consequence of the legal advice of a lawyer of Liver-
pool. Mr. 31mo-house, agreeine with Mr. hunt, did not
'WWII( in the opinion of the Liverpool lawyer as to the
illegality of the asserting. lie went to Manchester to
hear the apiestion derides!. He had not seen 31r. Mint
from the 9th to the 16th, and therefore could not have
conspired with him: bust lie Was alitiOllS to hear Air.
Hoot against the Magistrates on the apiestion of the le-
gality of the meeting. Mr. Iloorlionse was an AWE.
tioneer as well as a roach proprietor, and a Lancashire
auctioneer would he very notch affronted at the 111011Illa-
!inn of not understanding law. He had beam that Mr.
Hunt meant to discuss a apie4tion of law with the Ma-
gistrates, and he was anxious to hear him. Ile had
imagined that it was a sort of challenge—that it was the
trial of a feigned issue,or legal wager between Mr. Iluut
and the Magistrates, its which the meeting was to be
the Jury, and to decide, without appeal, whether the
prstintnell meeting. of the 9th Wall ie al, as lie and Mr.
Hunt thought; or illegal, as lilr Magistrates and the
,Litoerpreol lawyer contended. If there had been any
appreheission of tutimlt or confusi 111 l , would he have
brought his wife to the town of 31anclaester ? He
might, therefore, contend, that there was nothing in the
conduct of Mossrhottse, frosts beginning to end, that im-
plicated him in a conspiracy. The -Learned Counsel
pressed this argument sat considerable length ; and then
went on to the case of Jones, whirls, he Bahl, be hardly
knew liow to deal wills, so little thil he appear implicated.
Air. Orton took notes of what he had sail. That wh-
ores was on the scaffold with Jones. His words
amounted to nothing hot that he was anxious not
to see the scaffolding, whiele was his work, densoliehed
by the preesstre of the crowd. Ile exhorted the people
to keep a free space of five or suit yards, and to keep
'their enemies out. Mr. Hardman saw him erecting
the hustings. After lie hail finished them, he thought
!he might as well tarn speaker ; and what did he
bay? " I beg you to be peaceable, by order of our com-
lasittee. If you do not stand fast, vou will be broken
in upon." But the reason why *lie thus addressed
'the meeting was easily understood. He was the archi-
tect of the stage of carts and planks: he could not make
.a railing to keep off the crowd, for he received on the
whole only 255.; hr borrowed the boards, and wished
to protect them ; therefore, he said, Gentlemen, I beg
you to he peaceable, awl not break through this work,
changer
ofercoansimtnh.rt
hsel ttiiinesiissls/tf.erteilienziojetrwki.. Nay, on a
The people assembled on the hustings were in personal
hus
and the carts
gave way, and down fell the stage with Mr. Hunt and
constitution
rSolaigeirinietgiat
apehmarliflecadnirda.:pectni.
eiampairaen:
his friends upon them. This happened in this very
rpal lel obeftStrzt..einttrhretecofitin..lshillist
de-
mocracy of Athens,
of a repnbltc. Ile had said that 39,000 citizens could