The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-03-16 00:00:00

ARMY Kim' ‘Tri.

Lim! C.ISTLERE.WR moved, that the Order of
the I?ay fir rrr:•iyi'g the Report ol the Committee of
Supply be rend.
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iir.IIP.ItN.IL saw no reason why an many &tar-li-
me:its of the military should be sent to stations, where
their services were nut necessary. Why was a .Sr.e
jeatit's Huard kept at the West India Dock, and the
British alnsennt ? Surely there could he tin
reason why the West India Company shouiii
not maintain a saifirient Police establishment for the
protection of their warehouses, nor could he pp ‘t by a
Serjeant'slitsard ofsix men wasdeemed necessary to pro-
tect the coins, the Elfin marbles, or the di tferent engrav•
in. at the British %virtue). It might be said, that
the redaction fir which he was contending, amounted
to only 101/ men, awl this was ton trifling to deserve
attention ; lout it should he considered that a to rtl
of 100 men, demanded a main au Ard of 400 men, as they
required to he relieved every fonrth nig:it. He by to•
means wished to see the Font linards aldisheil, hut
he thonYht they might be fairly reduced to the number
of 4,11011 men, rank and file. The cavalry, which now
composed a furry of 7,1100 men, might al
.o lie reduced
with great benefit to the country. Ile dill not wish
to see the arm an reduced as to leave the country
naked and defenceless ; but he was must anxious, 001
the other hand, that an nueonstivittional, overawing
military force might nut be kept op in the couatrv.
Sir H. HAMDIMIS observed, that the snbaltet ns of
the thirds were very mach under paid, eampireil
with the rest of the army ; but it they were placed
upon this same footing as the liar, that expense would,
in fact, be materially increased. 1

M►. IlsOCKHAitt said, the House of Commons
meted with rerard to the public expenditcre, like a
prodigal, who first determined to spend a certain sum.

msomminimmumssummisommeopymm.w.
and then proceeded to eunsiiler how be should Ire% it.
He objected to the Report being brought tip topun these
principles, and he maintained that the Comusittre was
' falsely termed a Committee of Ways and 31eas,,a_
they did not consider the real ways and wain by
which the country might meet th..t expenditure, hat
they merely
recommended a giren sereice to be siy►.
ported by a g. i ren expenditure, without eatimatiag tit,
means of the country. llow could he (Mr. Lockhart)
tell that the two measures, which were shortly to he
submitted to Parliament; he meant the Repeal of the
last Malt Duties, and of the husbandry horse Tat,
noigAt not he carried, awl a deficiency eousetiner;,
arise in the Ways and Means of hie canntry tosapps,.,
the proposed expenditure.
Sir H. PARNELL said, the proven hrf„re tie
country was anfficiently lamentable, f or the resstnn-
of his lajestr's Ministers tray, that if t!wre were I,
reduction of the army, thrre could he nu diminati„,
of expenditure, and consefinently no resinvtim,
taxation. The Honourable 31ember proceeded to ath
vert to the military force kept up in Ireland, and coe•
tended, that if the civil force were placed upon a pr.,.
per looting, the army now kept to? in lrelasil
be in si,ler.ohly reduced.

Lot II PA 1.5 i HUSTON Fait% the Honourable nes%
(Mr. LoAltar ) had said it was a misnomer to co
the Committee a Committee of Ways and 3lratte;
so, indeed it sva, but it was the Honourable tieatle-
111All himself who WAS guilty of the misnutul, lot k,„
thought Inner to call that a Cottunitve of Ways
and Means, which every body else called a rOffilniZl,,
of Slipil!V.-(A laugh.)
Mr. CALCiIAI7I' made sum, obserratiaas in ex,
planation of what he had cad the other ni.fht.
Mr. IA HT admitted hat he hal used the
words Wars and 11eatts instead of a Committee of Sap.
ply, hut maintained that hie argument was flat its the
slightest stezree ape:ell by that dilTrrettre.

After a few words from Sir 11. VIVIAN,
The Report was brought up and read a first and
second time.

On the *Potion, that the aesulution for `:1,444 ere
he azree4l

UM); rose to propose an ameeolinent, in intro-
during. which he felt it tieecssare to nuke only one or
two observations in explanation of what be had statel
on a former night. Some expressions of his !sail hren
construed as reflections on the Goiania, in disparage.
meat i.f whose merits he hail said nothio.4. The I.z.
pression " idle parade," so hick he hail certainly used,
hal no reference to the nature of the :none., hat, if
more troops (of whatever description they ini4lot be)
were kept up Liao were necessary fur the wa:...ts of tlo
coantry, the only moils they could serve were those of
idle pantile. As to the question of reliefs, it should
have been recollected, that a part of the troops stay
tinned in the West Indies, being one-fourlo of the
whole, viz. the Ist and 2.1 %Vest India Regiments, and
two battalions of the WWI, were never relieved. lie
was convinced that the vote which had Lett proposed
to the House was more than the safety of this ;month-
required, or than its finances could bear. '1 he prim.
ripal reason which urged hint to propose a reducibly,
was the wish to make the 3lagistrates rely more (4
the Civil Power for the preservation of Cie civil peace,
instead of resorting, as they now to.; freptently did ; 4
which they hail heard an inatanre that night, in the
Carlisle election. Soldiers were now pat every
where; they Fould not come to that Douse %Wow! pas-
sing through retritoels; and there uas Los a bairark
under the same roof with them.—(llear.) It was true
enough, that the guards ha:l enough to do; amino won-
der, when the liovernment set itself to find the necessary
business for them.—(Near.) An objec.iiin had been
made to his suggestion for altering. they ?ay .1 soldiers
who might here:diet be valisted ; for (s.oill the Nobto
Lord) would you II the soldiers it ith i:illereist rates of
pay, in floe same regiment The • Xuble I,rrd :nut
that even now there was not a re..ziaortot in which
there were not ioldieraeoljoying different ratesof josy,tiotee
oho eulisteol for limited service receiving an increase of
pry after a certain time. When they were looking at
the sitotatiou of the soldier, they should look at the cone
olitioill also of the labolorer, by the taSet 11:1011 whom lee teas
maintained. Ile should propose as an amendment, flirt
71.111 he sabstitioted for own.
Colotael DAVIES said that as the chit( objection
to r.iluctiom had been the necessity of reliefs for
foreizto garrisons, lie skew that the proposed
reductions could be uta.la without tithing I. ens the
trooops applicable to relief 'lllc old colonies had nutr
17,1100 men. In 17-.7 Oiev load 12,24 a„ aid in the
latter half of 1792-13,277. If the ganisous
those cloluair• were reolaceil to the stool:11A of
.1.7110 ; it to that of 1792, 3,700 111(91 be roslioreit.
At St. Ileli toa, the gtea: estalosishoileist wag defeniliai
on the grimilit of the propriety of alio.. lug 11unaparte
considerable personal freedom. '1 lois feeling was
proper, lint the object, as any one who knew the
island seas AWAIT, might be attained by half the num-
ber of men. A battalion 'night tlin: he saved there,
awl aitutoet from 3lalta. We bail now (stein cavalry
more than in former peace establi•liments, he would
propose to reallef• one regiment. There would then
be left only 3,331/ men to make up the 11%0110, who
it was 'obvious cued be reduced without affecting the
treliefs, s..hiitait:tis.hit hf.ii.rrisons themselves were propors
Alr. It. 31.1ItTIN said, that as the lbw.. Member
fair Aberdare (31r. Donne). so Ito might he called tie
leader of the lapposition, had proposed to reduce the
pay of the ..oldier tc one-half %soul.' he get his part)
to pledge themselves to that measure ?
31r. 11C3l F. observed, the lion. 31ember fora:did!'
had applied terms to him which he otos not wa:;sattol
in aPPIYing, and had put into his mouth wc,rth, %Odd,
hr (3i r. II.) had never uttered. lie never spaku
any such thing as reducing the pay of the army to
toe-It alt.

inilsiorritileirs3tio;vllll TosleN apo
tien.hiem:led to
niter.the noose fur liat:n:
11r. lIVTIIIXSON oliservc.l, that when the Melte
had been voting an extrava.,atit 17.•tittia:e on an illu•
poverisbed owintry, he did not encv the tank of the
Nlstather for tialit ay, who endemoitred to two:
Into ridicule the etrorts of those who had cxerte'l
thetwwlves to lessen the burthens of :he people. Ile
wa, prowl of bring one of those who had joined 11
rtlirrts ; he acknowledged no leaJer;
;It the distrerses of the people, the state (It
ti "an ra'As :i4,1 ties policy of the routrtry, and Ite declare
a* a titan of honour, that he believed the vote.'
extraearant anal unnecessary,
Mr. It. limns explained,
After a few words frosts Sir R. FERGI-31)No
-tell tie lb
4r. lIANKES Will, that if he JAI. h in I
last night, he should have supported tilt) re.luctimi