The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-03-05 00:00:00

were many, differeet ways
ounthers might have been
to be below disbanding elides
ducing the whole Reounseets Id
a certain limited' eftslAnsmeat. , Weir alitteirta
die prolusions mode, as coodtiniag the mkaatages ef
greater saving in charge, and leaving the army
'ld i mete Wicket state than by any other phi, The
OMMillhoiew of disbanding Regiments mould be to
NB the very inconvenient necessity of changing she
locations Manny of them which wets abroad, whilst by
taking a certain portion fromeseb, at *maim time that
it was equally practicable, that ffittaivestage weals be
avoided. Besides the redaction of two entire Regiseems
of Cavalry, a reduction bad takes place to the *Made
two troops In all Cavalry Re.Lioetemee, and two compeodes
all Infantry Battalions. Ceylon% Regime's bad
m chargeable to the East India compaiw, incomes
queues of the diminution in total force Widels this re-
faelliew of oempseies bed effected is tkollidolits ia ladle.
IN additionl battalion bad beets seat to .that "
mod of coarse this country was relieved of tra
,barge of it. Astragal other Wags there was a
leedaetios dam last year If mend., DO the ausweet of
11.1111.4aml it it were sot that Inland reenged greeter
military form Nis pier than last, them wield of course
he a greater diellaMos this appeared epee a compari-
Os of the lEldiamateafer the two years. A demos to
She ohmmeter the Military College exceeding lIMML was
41triMarlilig".1 the 6
remoer val
tl oferesub:orif tp6deeer:
be peed by themidele. ils lbe ebigle.kAmoreiMism
there was an increase of more then ilmaltiair IP7Siv•
ing foil pay to a particular elms Ostievals,
which was dehmiiaed apse, parteissoasemeepoom of
the manes. be which that
the consideration of their case ms ti'MPrel"dajoity's
'ffievernment.—(Hear, bear.) On the fall "pay of retired
Officers there was an increase of 1140001. owing to the
reduction of the Veteran &WHOOP. In the military
allowances would be found m 'Defuse of KOOK is
consequeaco of the reduetioas la the army. In the
charge for foreign half-pay, then was a diminution of
awards of 8,0001. which was partly orris, to casualties.
For Chelsea and Kilmainbam Hospitals, there was a di-
minution of 11,753 i. attributable to economical arrange.
meet. Of the Veteran Corps, there remained but three
battalions, Instead of tee. Tim total diminution of sem•
hers, as compared with the Estimates of last year, was
17,822 mew ; bat patting the Veteran Battalions out of
the guano!), it was but twelve thousand area; and the
diminution in charge was 537,0001. epos the whole Es-
timates. The House womb' see that the milted*. was
is the first class of the Estimates, end that the natural
consequence of reducing from the charge for the active
breach of the service was to add to the inactive part of
it. Although, therefore, the iiimlantioe was only what
be had stated on the whole, it was cossiderably more,
when considered with refereace to *dealer branches.
The Please. Committee of bad espreesedaut
mien
that the Estimates *band ant weed Bjo
and when the army which was is Frame was placed on
half-pay, to 8,780.8001. Now It would be found that the
estimates for this year were cousiderably *Oder that in
their total, being only 6,103.0001. for the ordinaries, aid
with the extraordinary charges, 'Deluding hoisted,
7,494,000!. shewlug a sum a ywards of 1,2011.01101. as-
dm the computed estimates of th. Finsweetkomotittee sr
1817. Were Ireland not in tbestate she was at present. the
reduction would of course be muds greater ; but ea the
ordinary estimates He dinethation la nearbere. as atilt
=ith last year. apwards 12.000 lad
. in charge. The Noble Loed concluded by
mewing it vote of 68,802 me. for the laid eervieeChe the
year 1822, exclusive of the Colonies.
' Colonel DAVIES ommitiored the Noble Lori a state;
meet very ansatisfactl. The 001111411rOplerd„sea
amity, but there was el the greattreEellit‘aat.
oleo observable in the charges fee Army.y
year la the reductions which wow, aide.**
Offieers was almost ustesehed, becomes Nielsen* Mare
eawilling to diminish their patrol/Age. He differed
from the Noble Lord as to the amettat saved this year.
contrasted with the last. The charge for last year, so-
donee of the expense of reducing certain corps Was
on 1,493,6771. This year, 6,019,8811: Soon saved In fact.
473,7851. Bet this was $3,0801. tees than it ought to be
charged, Swarm were la reanimate of cavalry unbar
on their way to, or returning from ladia. These, as they
were charged te the East India Company. ought Not to
be charged in the Estimates. Deduct thee this 53.0001.
and the saving, is fact, would be bet 420,0001. as com-
pared with the last year; and this was considerably short
of the million which the Noble Lord talked M. The
Honourable Member then proceeded to *mama epos
other parts of the Noble Lord's speech. He NiOussini
that a reductisia by regiments would be some feellelleielil
than reducing by companies. He would propo a to in-
crease the reduction of troops from 12,000 to 15.000
men. He would do away with theater tarps allogetber.
He would aloe reduce the cavalry. He esatemied that the
number of troops employed in Ilse Colonies was too large.
It was meth too large compared with the number of
troops kept op in 1792. A great saving might be effect-
ed by establishing a Colonial Militia. He would do
sway with the waggon train altogether, as perfectly
useless. He also objseted to hollow up two Majors Id
each regimeat. He suggested a aids by which great
leavings might be made in the reoreitiag service, if in.
craning parties would report direct to their corps. The
Hos. Member then pro ceded to point out some other
reductions, and concluded by moving, as an amendment,
that the number of troops tube voted shoild be Mined
to 86,502. The reductions were principally to be made
in the Wades.
Lord PALMERSTON said Gentlemen opposite had
changed their ground. Last Session they coetended
that it was in the Home Service the greatest rednitions
could be made, bat they now turned rotted, and object.
ed
to the force in the colonies. The Noble Lord thee
proceeded to point out that am Increased force was ae-
cessery iii the Colmdes. A great mein of expense was
now effected, by dividing the ceusiry into districts, sad
placing over each as Inspecting Yield Officer. whose bu-
siness was to prevent impartr mamba hom Wag ad-
mitted into the army. le answer ID what the floaohr-
able Gentleman had said of pensions given to wounded
officers, he must tell him that scarcely adsy passed over
at this timewithout some fresh claim being made by
such officers, who had reamed teem foreign service.—
With regard to theaxpense of the ridlegestaislialmeets,
lie (Lord P.) maintained bat it vas mot too iamb, be-
cause if tile cointry was to have an (laciest cavalry, the
men must be taught to ride by.persons of sufficiest MEHL
A great difference had existed in the mode of riding in
different regiments, and it was now necessary to employ
riding•masters to give one uniform species ofieetruetkie
to all. It would, however, be possible still to redone
this expense lower than it was atresent.
Sir H. VIVIAN answered seise oftbeobjectioas made
by Gentlemen on the other side, to our present neilltary
establishment. The waggon train be comidered a Woe
which ought sow to be kipt up, although it Ito Ores
&mistiest it was very ieelfisient. With respect Web,
riding establishment, it was of the aunt* peeeemsemes
to the service that it should still be nisiateleed to the
greatest possible extent, becees• without it we serer
should be able to have pod cavalry aoliiitht.
Mr. HUME observed, that last year the number of
rank and lie on oar military eatahlisheeent ametiated
to 70 tboentand men t of these/On were is doe colo-
nies, of whist, Busher a wrest reditities was umarally
expected ; bat the reloetioa war maim dna bar bum
deed. He agreed that in dm whole 'epees* of 'he
establishment there had been allogetbee. a redueelan of,

wits set to the Meet
=et. Last year he
fee redsolag IS
`. bet he afterwards with
___.... woes; an. - . Prised of his reposed
to rodeo id IbetigeoL He skald now prepeas a oho
tics similar to wbatbe bad dose last year. He
oho bad dose elm focuser occasion, take the yeasrbels4
OHO peeled to which the Oovereneet should look is
!slag ito moblishataste. le Aid yese the umbel, if
oak sad He sous KRIS. The easier of 65 tkessood
look and Si., who, with Akers, would make the wimple
Arleen doomed, lanteatteived at didallose le be sollill-
apl kr all &tweets of she country. Is /be year 17111.
the number of Marian sad Artillery snouted
to eight thoussed meg ; sew they were 15 *amend;
Than meet opines be oomedereil as denial a pass of
tbs military foam, beteg sorely eying! cm Ind. The
army was, therefor* Ingromeed by then to the somber of
7.000 horned sloth was in 179 e. He enteaded thee that
dare wareire dremiasseess banging tether country at this
time Ala rinelsed thosimploymeat el se %ergs a foree.—
We esetaiely hadelomeendroduew gekeigembich required
se 'Wain& hoe of IMO° sea. and 10.000 nee wen loan
up le OD lambs blood.. Last yisr47,ooowere employed is the
CologlaskildeaktgewCapend Coyne. Sow he nalatalsed
thateigittheagesd saes might be aparad from tkereelooks.
The prise eitirdies et Use 4001111ify hod bilis
soled as diligroot from what it had been in 1792711 E
Nodose* MAW 'molder that oargreat comatitati
fano VW alititn. was kept up; sad that this sollida Gest
the antowy. lost year. no less a sam thas betimes ins
sad Ate bemired amassed pounds. Besides these Oben
were selladlothi, teses. tied artillery i sad se RAM
was lakes de these IN estimitiag ' tbe ameasilrof
oar military trotwhich they should/OM"
sidered as fersist a part. The militia sod y
were either of ow Nibs errantry, or they wore are. If
they were. let them be put into the accesat of gar stabile
force; sad if they were not, let °Behalf at least of the
milltle be spired. There was anther petit which the
boon eboeldinok to; it wee the large. military
enhalf of which coesisted of drums, fifes, sad
music. lie would again say there was no eircanglosso
oseaseted with the seestry at prevent diffenmt from OP
pond of 112. whigh requited a larger military force. The
present sista of se doubt, might call fors larger
force. Bet, on Ow whole. lie conceded that there
night to be a redoing of forte which wield predate
a saijog of bald a. 'million to the country. Last year
the auras amessted to 17,000, altbongh, in 92. they
were only Leah He wished to know Betty this force
shield he largo sow that in 1792. The HorsoOssede
were moot espeasin troops; every one of the nos_r„
the country as mach as • junior clrrk hi a
Offsee ; and be wield seek rather see the join
maimed, gad a great number of theme men discharged.
He cold set an goy Necessity for these °Dards; a lei
number wield he Balkiest to uphold the splendour of
Munch,. What screens was thereSor Guardia% the
Public Intl* and Picture Oalleries? Sorely Ole
Arts did tot in seed of patronage or proteedes
from the nil .; es the notary. armies had net
Ineezerred as mot biotin to Arts sad Seisocds.
He the t the Goods night to be greatly redsomd,2,_
ea:* the ht to be brought dorm
to the The diseiplin of the
corps was m what it was ia 92. owl 'bow
fire the force mast be tough snore ell-
deal. had, on a former occasion
stated that • ' hod boo opal by keeping se
tke each regliosot al richt headrest mew and
Le whited le know why lb" Noble Link /tad elm; *-
doted the regimes; to Illtroboadroi ogo gni ? fifths
redoing was • less to thelleastry al abost UMW us
' Maio ofillgrosage sillional enposiratf fitaff
meat. lismeigain arediowed ndegolleslow 0 Masked
ll=
gralli awallierefortillelliaLemsral.
IP _ . 8-
asoistieas, did ant nook the of theadidryo. I.
1760 the Duke of Peek 106 ropilleffile to 94 sad
that tai 2 Um* of was. wises there mT~ght ve boo a
pertiodu oniegatty ler them. He was sure tint MO
Ike odeettee be moat to Use whole of the die-
pubis force inald be milkiest. The Americas
°soreness tee dm whole of their army, in
seder se basbeli link easserees, and he asked what ae
amity was diem sow to keep up 5,000 nee in Canada?
He comilided by that the number of 56,304 nee
be subsdnded hissed of the number moved for.
Colossi WOOL) Said, that with respect to the remark
of the Hon. Gentleman respecting bands attached to the
stator militia regiments. all he would say was, that the
gaol evict ordssetad boa given, that there should be
bat see drummer for every two companies. The Hos.
Ogatliman had spoken of a little riot in Ireland. On
that abject be scald *sly say that he should be very
seen so sue sorb a riot in the country in which he
Awed. Some cottons on the same side entertained •
different view of it. for they had recommended military
law. The Doke of York had reduced the regiments in
1796. because the umber of men thrown together in a
harm Ind ostiered them inefficient
Sh J. NEWPORT said, that be would not have risen
se far wayside' apes this quesdos, but for remarks
made nepodaß the elate of Ireland, in which he could
set concur. His adder; wish bad been to get an es.
ablution instituted into the state of Ireland, and a re.,
sandy applied to the evils which distressed that aseetry.
Bet there was • limit and a period to investigation as to
other things, and Ireland was in that state when inne
Ligation could aot be lastitited, and wiles, not riot. but
issarrestios, required the WOO" arm of the law.—
(Cheers from the Ministerial side.)—The Ooverannet
of Ireland bad been most shamefully and scaarlateusly
deceived by nee whotaight to have had cornet informs-
tion. He alluded to the information gives
Belfast and Mountrath. Bat there had been amies:PcielliT
fel outrages committed sod horrid assassinations. A
Rosa. Catholic ciergynse bad been attacked boson
he had from the slier recommended peace and good
'order. Could he doubt that this was a state reqniring
adatioaal military force?-(Cheers from Illinimere)—
lin trusted it would pees away, but it mold be by the
Apron execution of the law to put down violater. It
rata be Imperious afterwards to look Ist° the CAIIIKII
of thedistarhasee.. He Never would coot in Making
that they ought sotto be locked into and probed to the
bottom. lint while insurricion prevailed, be hoped no
Hon. Member 'sold sees for a moment to express saw
terms of witigatioa.-{Cheers.)--Having always bee;
the advocate of peace and examination, be was Dow
obliged to say tbatharmony must be first restored ; and
the. be would Virg* a *enough. complete, sad radical
investigation. and the application of a kit. oak, sad ade-
quate reasedy„—(Hear; hear.)
tkonal OASOOYNE would certainly voteagainst the
preposateedeodome. Hon. Members talked of 'WOO"
'Io "t 4 Isb oar army bed stood previous to the late wee
but let It be remembered that very heavy objection
bee* taken, upon the breaking oat of that war, hi
ceaditics Dew is Waled. The veryounlikame i
lead brought late the Gehl bed bees goings I
meat sad of &plants Bober allies. He (tin.
bete ere service-tone ortlie ow ' I
tbe I
It issa,Oo,
eer▪
stagnadle It for a 10040 whether-
all the fehielb wire MOW fors° Ti. le thia.
got Hama illeOhis Aga proceeded to eosin Met
Assents), liames epee the sweet irelead.lo4l Iwo-
'gilded for the of maintaining such a (nee as
sommtild hate in ' 10 the aiintnini as tedl as to the
liZte• parisist coessey. Ho anstakiel hp deck&
sit the m& of wet existed ii.l evni peg ut ator,

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fa witielt"lie rattail's ie pm* but that
alreetedobettbe OW, wood Ala lb* ottatory bad a right to,
'Ore Regintintsa. and re- bottiotholitatt to the boom a at
siesta id tha aervtee (lowa to thumped from tbo eetablislneat. I
dintoot. 'rho low appeared dt'dkllidit folios; std as Hos. 1