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ether place, a Tote had been passed upon the
analogs, or, at least, which was held to be the
of that House on her Majesty's conduct, es affil
of the evidence at the trial, and his quostifts
Noble Lord was, as to the effect which was IA
ed to be iven to that vote. If they looked aj,
it as a final verdict or judgment, why did At
afterwards abandon sad give up the MU Am.
if it was not in the nature of a iinfireat apes
her, whrdld they sot restore her a esty's cases
le the Liturgy. And, seriously speaking, this
last measure, so much to be deprecated in all re-
spects, did lot affect the Queen alone, bat would be ie.
jerks& to the Crown sad the interests of all the Royal
Family? For he west ask, so what principles were
prayers et all offered up for the Royal Family
Was it foe any personal qualities, or superior
snsdowseuts?—(Hear.)—Was it not rather because they
were of the Royal Family ? And to whose benefit would,
it tend to introduce the doctrine of making comperleens,
who *sold be served by excluding certain iteembers of
the Royal Family on account of the abseil* a penmen!
endowments?--(Hear.)—He, therefore, warmed Mi.
• slaters against introducing the principle, for no use
&mew where It was likely to stop. The Noble Lord then
rdes.took occasion to censure the iatrodoctiott of poli-
tic% into the sermons of Ministers of the Chapel ip the
Church of Clod. Hut, again, he would ask the Noble
Lord, if he meant to take the vote of the other House as
a judgment on the Queen, how far each adodgeneet bore
an analogy to a judgment in a Court of Law? Who bed,
ever board, that whets a matter was referred-to Jags&
. and a ansionty of the Court bsiog agreed upon the
course to be taken, that the whole should bo then sod-
deftly and unaccountably abandoned. The Noble Lord
had said, they did not mean to carry the matter any
farther arainst the Queen, bat what could Ministers
do? They were entitled to no credit for
their forbearance, for they had already done
ail that they could against her t and even now, in the
lest hour, they asked the House to argue the legal gees-
tion with them. And were they not, to this moment,
*falsifying a portion of the Frew; to give vent to the
most pdioas slanders against her t Bet after all, what
elect had these measures prodneed on the public mind ?
He would ask the Noble Lord whether the multitude of
petitions, presented towight, spoke the sentiments of
the people, trod where these feelings were ? Was it not
a certain fact, that, from one end of the country to the
other, tr general—nay, universal feeling prevailed, that
her Majesty had starred mach injustice from the steps
taken against her, and to treat that feeliag with can-
dour, every party should admit that itdid not arise from
the oppesitioa to the measures of Ministers, but because
they thought her permeated, and that she lad for
protection to them. Rot as a matter of pular:retrieve-
meet, he asked, were the HOliffe of Parliament to be
perpetually taken up with the discussions of this ques-
tion? Was it not enough that six months of the public
time had been already squandered 'away : and was the
House se inditiereat to, or did they sympethise so little
with time distresses of the country, that they should
spend months together upon it, to the exclosion of every
other subject whatever ? In private life he was sure, the
Noble Lord and his colleagues were too honiterable not
to admit that the country ought not to be so treated.
Uis opinion was, that they must have gives some
pledge to prosecute bee Majesty, is ease she came to
*hie country. They gave it upon as understanding that
abe would sever come to this country. and he was sure
sowearetted it. Hut, os the ether band, he
irbeiher it ' ' Mir' who

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AMU's IMAM was nib and their eon-
tisaing keep her excloded was still mere so.—
Nothisig, as it appeared to him, could warrant them
in ibis coarse, bet a muse that the vete of the
House of Lords was is effect a jadgment, and amounted
to a conviction of the Qom,. Their repeated. ill-ad-
vised, and unjust acts hail brought the country to a
crisis, and until the Hoes* took the affair Wu WWI
bands, and visited their asalversations with their popes,
rev aril, good order sod good feeling wadd sot be re-
stored. Ile wished to table the thieg bar steps, mid with
that view he began with the oasissionof her same which
was in effect the
_principle injury done is the beginning
to time Queen. His motion, therefore, was, " That it
is the sense of thin House, that the order of Council of
the 12th of Feb., by which the omission of her Majesty's
name in the Liturgy was occasioned, waspost ill-advised
and ineapedieat."
Mr. C. K. ELLIS was induced to offer one or two
observations in consequence of the allmsioss which had
been made by the Noble Lord to the absence and re-
. aigaativu of his friend Mr. Canning. Mr. Canning
had takes as early opportunity of declaring that he
wield take no part in the proceedings against the
Queen. And from the time that all hopes of as ad-;
justment failed, by the miscarriage of the address of
the House to her Majesty, be withdrew himself alto-
"ether, and left the Kingdom. but be mimed after
the Hill of Pains and Penalties was withdrawn. Fuld-
tug thee that the new 'tato of things approached too
nearly to that which he bad objected to. be became
esamilde theta contingence in office was incompatible
with hie format professions, hue though Mr. Canning
haillAtladrawa himself from office, he did net, by any
twos wish to shrink from the responsibility which
attathrti is his colleagues.—(Neat.)
Mr: SUllialSON 'mild have resat before, to vied'.
east his friend, Mr. Canning, from the aspersions of
title Kbalk Lad. bat that, la courtesy, he bad beets
'Wed to yield the plasm to soother. The Noble Lied
had WC that Ministers were now called open to do.
*ad messires which possibly they had never advised.'
ikhatever would be the eonsequeoce of discharging
WIWI( from the indulgence which this circumstance
wised is give Ministers, be disclaimed it altogether.'
—(Hear.)—Whittovot advice was given, was given by'
Ministert, they alone were respirasibie for the coo-1
sequences of it.—(Load crier of bear, hear !)—lt was
a Nttle odd, dial if Ministers had committed illegal
sets—had insulted their Queen, abused the confidence
K their Sovereign, and brought the country to a state
approaching revolution, that the Noble Iced would in-
list iso ether resort than a slight mark of reprehen-
sioa.—(Hear.)—The Noble Lord had properly avoided
teaching en the legal questioies, foe in truth his MO
main* would carry but little oatidemisa with k
the House. There were ethershetter *desisted thili
the Noble Lord to afford the House information es that
sukect. For his part be had the strongest soarictloo.
tin* ali the actawhich they had done were strictly le.,
indeed be was at a lose to see bow It mild be
argued that it was set so. her if tbs Act ei Vague..
adig made it imperative ow the Meg imeesesU to put.
ia she *meats oasse, is eight Ss follow that the same
eldigathee wee harm/4 ea flit a 4 It° all
tlhlreClare,OF•6•47.--(lhat. . IMO" I
that tie Crow. a redone/
tower Rader that Act. Lad treating the Natter caw-

dicily. it

tars; La

la theLikargy.-witheut also raking late &emits all
the elreaseetasicee which preceded and accompanied
that advice. It was well knows that their MOretits
had lipid separate for years—that the separatioahad
WOW some Inman auctioned by theist. Kingoind
recognised by more than one Act of the Le
Ail that Ministers had to do, was to make asN a sip-
raugentent as suited the interests of both parties, aid
which he now emafeseei was all along founded on tie
express ouderstandiag that her Majesty was to 4lne
abroad, and that she was to forego the exercise elf
those rights which ahead the enjoyment of SD
exalted a situation.--{Loud cries of beer, hoes.).
Looking. thee, at the question in this light, they bad
medeubt but that their proposition to her would bt
acceded to; and if it had, in what a situation woe
Ministers be placed, if they bad sneered bar Majesty's
name to stand ha tha Litargy..(Mear !)—Aad they,
were also sensible that, one day or ether. the opt
would be brought before the House ; and they
sallicient proofs in their hands to warrant the et
sion of her Majesty's name.--(Hear !}—Now they,
G.,uld Minister% confer a personal honour on the Q
by restoring her name to the Liturgy, under . tbecir
atm!e/s which be hatabeetieeed. Had flea tisi

beditTosperatire, it would have relieved liiiiineen from
a great difficulty. It world hare bee. more gremlin
to have no din..-retioo. Ministers were touvesid by
the proofs they had in their hands, to brine* Qu.
to trial.---(Loud cries of hear !)--tienttemen might*
incredulous, but he was nut now going into a eiatilea-
Lion of the measures which Ministers had taken. • Al
a proper time he sad his colleagues wosfd meet the
Mouse on the subject, and not shrink from the tweet
eatiefactory itiplanation.--(Hear o—lie th 'nit It
"would be more cruel to give her Majesty a palace bete
pad at the same time deprive her of her just rights. It
was Ministers whis gave the advice. sod they alone
were responsiltie. If they committed a Mae, they
ought to be severely punished for it. If Ministers.
after haviag betrayed the Sovereign, and insulted
the Queen, were suffered to escape with impunity, it
would be the worst omen for the civil liberties of
Ibis country that ever happened.----(Bear, hear !)
The present motion told nothing. It was not manly
*Rough. to pass a censure on Ministers, and instead of
ca lla! for the restoration of her Majesty's name to
the Liturgy, it only called upon the House to express
an opinion upon the Impropriety and expediency of
omitting it. A motion from a Noble Lord over the
way might to take the precedence of it, as that would
raise the question upon its merits. The present could
be only intended to catch up a few votes by a side
wind manoeuvre. But then great stress has been laid
upon the Petitions presented to the House. That
these petitions were genuine he did not deity, but
whit did they ask the House to do--not to dis-
miss Ministers, or to censure them, hut to restore
her Majesty's name to the Litergy..eilhav, bear!)—
As' a would ask in what way was this to ho dose, or
it be des* in sow ether way this by an athlete, to
It 'radii be a personal affroutnpoo
the Noble Lord said, diet his
'Fiat flat without
d at least c fill
sgs of the Noose of
language to be used on so moment-
outs a subject as the present ? He coatenileti that its
was sot the proper mode of conveying the feelings
the House of"Comnions to the foot of the Throne, and
that if Ministers bad acted in the very criminal way is
which their conduct was represented, the House of Cm*
moos were bound in duty to take other steps than sli
reprimands. On all these grounds, therefore, and
nose the proposition was not a fair and manly one,
rather a collateral issue upon an abstract twilit, wh
ittleuld not involve the case one way or the ether, he
*odd oppose the motion, and the faintest way he
thought of meeting it, was by moving that the floe.
do now adjourn.
Lord A. HAMILTON explained.
Mr. HOBHOUSB began by saying, that he agreed
ontirejy_with
that
.Hon. fienileman
.who spoke hefor!.
s theatpwirtthurenifyarodf tdoeMfenr.dtinagnnbtinnigite, het sbehorrflel
teare made upon him. But whether he svne
or wet. or whether he was absent or present.
a • to hie in the present state of things as of very
I the , and the House should not be occupied,
with iscessions.—(ilear.) lie hoped the col-
leagues of that Right Hon. (lent. would Tare the dis-
interestedness to mark their abhorrence of a measnrr
in consequence of which he resigned his office. The
Right Honourable Uentlenran who had just spoken,
had never given an excuse for, or offered a palliation
of the acts of the Ministry. Ile declined entering
into the legal question, at the same time that he
made a motion for adjourning the House. He
(Mr. Heldman) was no lawyer, but he thought metre
prohondi lay with Ministers to show that their acts
were not illegal. He was not obliged to do so. Every
lawyer knew well that there was no law for rhasging
the formula of prayer; and, from the year 1346, to the
present time, there was no instance of a Queen Coosa/Is'
name being omitted, under the same
the present. There was. indeed,
—the Queen (Jenson of George
was hardly analogous to the present,
sokisown to thopeopie of this roue-
or Ptincess a u ales; sad if she '
for, it was because she was not lu

sons who ltlegeentod the Court
no port of the King's family, so
sonotry were enabled to judge.
be gaming examples. He toold •
of the Stagg, could be possibly got
'sprout', said, tbat alterations might '
as occasion required, but no where
aim. The Hoe. Hest. then proceeded
way in which the Qoeen's trial had '
charge against her being supported,
the evidence of the lowest wretches.
one of them. Bianca, who was a fell,
rum, at Yealee.—(Lond cries of ,
stied time, there was any State necessity
ing; awd if there was, it was incumbent on the Mialsi
tees to shnw it. The responsibility lay be them, to
skier why the emigstny bad keg as long kept it a state at
agitatioo; and it was for them% explain erkv they .0w
rejezted the petitions of -Olso.gnsple. if they felt thews
selm hound by any point of Ansioor to oilier. to Kiehl
present system, it would be snob more manly in theme
to give it up. and act dime the principle of that titt4
which the Home bad agreed to during the NM sosekris,
on the si}lieet of tbe paiimediags this cheat tobp
toted usenet her Majesty.
gralieria

the set of the Mielefetesllllll Mt
What he awned the IpIWO MI
dee% _ as for the perpooe of heels" is
iefeensitiesi lid Indere the Hasse as should noel* del
priseipb be viand to lay decent se clear that wow
maid dotty the tenth OIL The lies. Getnieman who
now mewed thequeeticia if adjearemeot, mast net thick
that he could avoid a quoin which itemised is it the
right of-every Queen Ceeenet .liffd—a jeteetion,
sot miming-to ono, bates I whoever did
or whoever might bereeller"ad tat high rank. The
questioa was of no lees Impedance than this—whether
the law of the land Invented the Goverment with power
to erase the name of the Quetta Consort from the Litur-
gy oldie Church; aid it waits fallacy to suppose that
• ease of this kind mild be laid down on say except a
general principle, which was, that according to the Com-
m/dude Resat, the name of the eases Consort bad always
;bean placed in the Limo alootwitb that of the King,
cad that it could net be ramrod therefrom at the plea-
itore of the Exectatire Government ; and therefore whet-
ter, decision the Home should come to, must rest
epos the abstract crestion, whether a custom that
hail existed in this country for three centuries,
should still be continued or overturned. The House
out abaft to decide a question of •a general nature;
Ilotto take away the right of an individual, but to de-
*mine whether a Queen Unmet of England generally
*Meld be degraded at the pleasure of the Governmeat.
-(Hear. lest.)—He now charged the Ministers el Olt
rows with having, on the Itch of February last. auto
girder respecting her Majesty, which sae contrary t!
do Repel, and grossly illegat.—(Hear.)--
Ifillbe set was an invasion of the undoubted rights
tidal the Queen possessed in virtue of the Statute. He
should illustrate hie position by quoting some short
data Non, the civil and ecclesiastical history of the
it:country, silica the time of the Reformation. Ile would
Not dispute, that since that period the power which had
been antecedently posseised by the See of Rowe, was
vested in he King. Every holy knew that when the
IKe took place, the discipline of the Church
had shagged its character, and became a matter of civil
mirillitioit. The Church sad the State were, from that
.periosLiatenssixecl with each other; and all etelosias-
tical matters, including the Liturgies of the Church,
were established by Act of Parliament. Thus t64s the
Church made a part of the State, by law. The King
was certainly mule* the head of the Church, but the
Law. which made him so, defined his power. The
question, then, was not whether the King was the head
of the Cbsrch, bat whether the several Ada of Par-
liaises', passed since the Reformation, did not abridge
thq power which he might be supposed to exercise
as head of the ('butch? ,All the prerogatives that were
supposed to belong to the King, in this new character.
became lost and confused in consequence of the Kite,
delegating to Parliament the power be had derived time
it, sod which be had before exercised. After the restores
tion, agenerel Church Litargy was established by the
Act of Uniformity, which bad for its object to secure a,
civil recognition of all the component parts of Ote amain
tutione of the country. The principle of that 4W trio
that the Church and the State were to be *entitled. thell
one should be recognised in the other. The effect of
this Act was the complete settlement of tb Liturgy, So
the year ls6l. This was dune by Act of Parliament;
endebe Service of the Church was Itself as much ate
Act of Parliament as if it had been entered on the
liamitoll. The House theree. in considering=
, wee bound to look stile construction oT the
lett of whith the Liturgy formed a part. Tice Act of
Uniformity declared. that she Lieuriajth ould be psietede,
aade a port of thesertice Of Thi Church ; theocrat,
Uturgy was made an Act of Parliament. The Art
did net contain any charge to enable the Crown to make
as alltration in the Liturgy. 'The Crown had not the
pewee to alter even a letter of it, except the power
granted by one clause to which be should refer. They
most, therefore, refer to the Act of Unifonsity, in order
to see what were the powers which belingeli to the
Crown. The clause to which he alluded ftsto this ef-
feet :—m Provided always, and be it further enacted, tbst
In ail prayers relative to the Queen, and other branched
of the Royal Family, the names may be altered from time
`to time, according to lawful authority, itc." Here
then a power was OMR to the Crown to put out a name,
yid substitute another name according to circumstances,
Its stead; but the act gave the lt:ng no power se
erase the name of a person living at the time; and If
such a power was claimed, why was it not stated in the
Act of Parliament ? The Act was most elaborately re-
titled by the greatest lawyer of the country. It was
mode after the rage of the civil war had ceased; and
those who restored the Monarchy never intended to de-
grade the Queen. The names of all the forpier Queens
were in the Liturgy : and the act of uniformity fol-
lowed the example of what had been done before ; and
was it to he supposed that the Act gave the Kings
power to leave out the name of the Queen Consort? la
the printed copy of the Prayer-hook, after the Aet
passed, Charles 11. not being then married, there
was a blank left for the name of a Queen Consort to be
inserted in it. This was an argument to show that the
Litergy, established by the Act of Uniformity, was
meant to be a complete copy of the Liturgies exist.
ing in the former reigns. After this act was passed, the
names of the Queen of Charles If. and James 11. were
inserted is the Liturgy- Thus then they had clearly
before them the roaraetudo Regal ; and it was einea•
ordinary that an Anti-radical Administration, so wirer*,
to every sort of Innovation, would reject what had Wee
uniformly adhered to. All the great institutions of the
State depended npnn usage and nothing else : and yet
the Noble Lord and hie Anti-Radical Administration,
I admit of no change, were about to break
established usages of the kingdom. He agile
the omission of the Queen's name frame
and the moment he found they bad rites
order in February last, he formed a resole.
!IT to countenance any of their utessinial
d lieutlentaa now proceeded to &deed le
precedents on which hie argument 111111
ie circumstance of the name of the QUIPIIII
. was relied en. But theognees never WIN
country ; her name was hardly known whs.
addressed in Uncover, before he male Ile
her name was net eyes meritioliell.--

-tag had bees divorced bit. eigtiteen years
her; and she bad been locked up as a Fri-
ianorer. Therefore her cage could be se pre.
godagdo ad every argument founded apes it was
owpliasisal and absurd. There was another principle
*lsich he founded the rights of the Queen
Cnienart. By the cent/non law of the eoentry the
ac the had peal
rgi ee"o of :trloeseofe
ithith:l‘ini and
she lThe had
the law 1 right •to exact submission and *be-
lbws all the anitjacts. TM. privilege did not
tat the pleasure o the King but oa the law r sad
It was not in the pewee of the King to take
of these rights away host her. There was isitp*
enjoyed by the Qbeen which were mg as woltior
tit been so Oeieo tho Mar were secured
II might Jost as Well be said. dm lb. King
Iskiiewey freewill* 'IIW newt et fleece, es allot
other Frillier* Ho.iled 011111111tati son, kerns
vises of Sit lusedisi,swistioratmetod with hi*
alidEcdealitirbiN ghat biltpUtall deist
relklierk ki
reed la elf Nor . prtk
II *it sM
aleveiblei. A
viAsAlsneassuilairoillikli bid fie=
not of the bitaggy sight we have. dew
ems Wog with Se aims et the King t

--- ----- ----- -- ••• ••••• ~,-.....y, •••• .m wit• w.c user majesty's same to rule faits
• they now regretted it. But, toe the other hand, be Awl he would ash ia what way
. &swilled astsodieheiher it was the prowat Ministers who mod it be dame In sae ether wa
•wren which they were sow called upon the Kia , which woof,' be a pei
t'ie seat was the feet, it ought to call down Bat the Net& Lord
rilbeeits St . I"'"te 6". osier a otkidisessonsrool
Salt* austere pewees" Mali 1173 'NM ay dor King directly. it **(told
lEeier
airy ought to kart the .t 'beak e It wits Maim,/ a hint of the feelings of
=or to ter "ad" tel a get o meto eisouhl be "um' A fiiot!—Was this the language I
lag likerand to &NIA ant joslify dr*asares which they oas a subject as the present ?
had AM. impressed or rocomoreodoe. Ilse erasure of was sot the proper mode of can,
the Queens remora was melee% tad their elm' the House of Commons to the fou
'hieing to keep her etched was still liS•re so.— th.e if M1.1.e.... kJ .....-1 :.. •L

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"•6'""*-7 sTATEsigAN:
,
11111 Apt wry la look at do soodeot of Minis- 'meat ba eameidersol..
ailltiolher taw oftlasioa of ber Majesty's saw th. act " aaitY•
Marin- ritual tulrlai. ....A..' .11 a *mar day, be did so he

oce of a (been whieh wood ed
same dreilantal's " dawn the estabi
see exception, *awl declared, that
the First I bet her Literry
..t, far also was
.00,4 at illegai on
ountry, either as
so, • , ea longer
•6 e had never been , • Learned 1.
.11k
:mown at IA 4 . of the pi
here—in . feendsd. The
far as the rot& . tbeorge I. W 4
Bat it was I to Ws enteterl
nut me how the mods the King wan
got over. That Ace this toaster ;
light be made fronallites fedora the kini
!re did the word ..t" hefree fro. he,
rooeeded re noti I roast is Hanovs
had been cominct t, .and ei
rted, be contended,,,loi =laical and
!hes. He himself klins en which he
fellow of the worst Illba• comart. By
of hear, hear.)—He de. fai hoot el
Pressley fee this prosibil• j--bad the

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