The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-05-07 00:00:00

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PERI4I; Vine&Vilittir. • ,

HotHIS OF •thxDS, 6lii, 6.
Sykes's Hydrometer Bill, the iteib Cooed and Seeeiee•treeelb
Bill, mid. the West ladle Trade Bill, were Isrist op from
the Cowmen he Mr. Bitsgdea and Wien, and NM a line thee.
Earl Dl9 BY promoted a Petition flow Weymouth and
llelcorabe Regis, against the Doty an Coals.
The Doke of DKVONSHIRE presented a Petition from
the City of Waterford, agairot the Window Tae.
The Margo& of LANSDOWNE rose to make the asollisa of
which he had gismo souse, fur the second rending of the Par-
duos under the Greet Seal Bill. Hui* sow time ago take,
an oppormalty of stalk/ the growth no which he supponed
this measure, he aced sot trouble their Lordships with sway
observations on the 001100 for the *mood rersdirg. It ems way
hecemiry for hiss to say, timt the Bill had for its object so re-
here 'temps to whom the mercy of the Crows Mad bees et-
tended, Irons the hardohlp of pav log the fee. fel seism Mk.
gmedou woo she Great Seal, a lath most of thee were tombhi'
it do. This warlike whole eves' of the meanness it luot.timee
Ahem the other Hemel bat in considertog the subject as a
whole, it was impossible for him mit it. feel that the relief
ought to be curried briber limn the prevent Bill proposed I.
extend ii. At the same time he was very sensible of the dial-
tally of pressing the relief, which he was of opioiee ought to
be panted to it.kjl erient,at a time when the floorage mode-

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Ai a _mutat of Illgveuue operated Iff pciodoce greater
—sselikf en the poorer claws than the stamps op law proceedimp
The expiate they occasioned w.s an obstacle to the atutiomeat
of justice. Hence the 1111111erous applications to the Legislatare
for the ensblishosent at inferior jolisdiction, hot of an ano-
Inners and nacoostitutional aware. The latitude, of suck
&um wend never be desired by the People, were it oat for
the difficulties they experienced is obtainiag justice before
higher tribunals. This was a state of with respect to
the offinsistratlao of justice iu which the (wintry ought out to
exist. As to the "NM measure, it west merely vo relieve
anfortmude person from pa) inn the Fee, oa Pardons, which
assounted as each sal, to about 601. and therefore it cab
verate ias,ery slight degreeMutat the reduction of the
guiresue.
the BUM was read a second time.

ALIENS.
Lord HOLLAND said, that in consequence of what had re.
molly passed its lb. ether Home of Parliament, he intruded to
lake usenet. oppettattity to inose for some papers relative to
Allem The polars he wished to Moan, were espies elan),
correspoodeore which may have taken place, since the 401 n ••1
November, 181 b, between this &mesoderm and the Govern.
meat of auy foreign Suite on thr subject of %Hem; end c spies of
auy corampoodence which nay have mated between his Majesty's
Oimeroment and the Goverment ot the Netherlands, since the
10th of November, ISIS, relating to passports Arai oleo or refused
so any individuals. Some time ago, when he asked the Prince
Replies Minister whether there existed any stipelationshe-
t octets this cowry and Foreign Foams oat the subject of Aliens,
be answered is the optative; and when he ateroaids asked
whether any orgociatioans or cm resp,didetier tan that whicer had
taken place, the Noble Karl stated, that the intelided renewal
of the Alien Bill would be proposed to Parliament, sot with
reference to stay foreign policy, hut on she ground of British
in-
terests.nly. Ibis, certainly was no sower to the questioa.
whether a seguciation or correspondence on the subject had nit
existed; std it was with a view to he satisfied sou that point he
intended to move for the pipers he had described. If he had
put considered it probable woo the titan would be resisted. he
should sot have considered a previous notice necessary. He would
talus another oppoo sanity for thing the precise day. Their
Lordships. he conceived, ought to know what the real situation
of the country with regard to this (permits') was. before nay Bill
should come from the other House; for he wns persuaded that
many of the supporters of the former Bill had voted for it un-
der the idea that some secret 'pledge or stipulation had been en-
tered into on the *4l*(l with foreign Goveromerts.
LOAN AND ROI AL ANNUITY BILLS.
The Loan Bill, the Duke of Cambridge's Annuity Bill, Red
the Duchess of Cumberland's Annuity Rill, were rend a second
time, and the Conomitters ono these Bills being dispensed with,
they were ordered to tie read a third time to-sionrroow.
Loud HOLLAND risked. whether she third mating of the
two Annuity Mils would.he proceeded in to-morrow?
The Earl of LIVER POOl. said he intended to move that
they as,. old both be read a thud lime on that day.
to moor,' ils a question ftow sloe Lail of LAUDERDALE.
Lord LIVER POOL said lie should also move the third read-
ing of the Loam Bill.
Lord SIMI OUTII moved thnt there be laid before the
House an urcount of the number of peram,s committed for felon.
sirs, tried, coavieted„ and acquitted, from 11415 to 1817 in-
clusive, distinguishing she olfehees, amid the number tor each year.
Olt the moo • of the Earl of EGRESIONT, the United
Churches wad Chapels' Regulation Bill was committed pro
firma, the blanks filled up, and the Bill ordered to be printed
with the istlleliditirtilD, and fee iltliNtlled.
' The Marquis of I. AN SHOWN E solid, he held in his hand
the Jail Chaplains' Fees Bill. The same Bill had before come
from she Cutu 000000 but had not been iinicertled in, on acenaut
Of the objectims made to it by a Noble and Learned Lord. The
Bill Inid agaiu come before their Lordships, with these objets
stuns obviated, mad stood over fur a second reading, which be
now moved.
Ordered.—Adjourned.

PARISH viirßy BULL.
Oa the Order pf the Day, mama bv Mr. S. SOU RN R. the
trof the Parish Vestry Rill was taken into consideration,
ti: Amend Meats were read *second time, and several blanks
Med up.
Same conversatioa missed, mad some verbal Amendments
were adopted.
Mr.. D. GILBERT moved as Amendment. by which a per-
son not awned at Mee /meads per amain shoold he precluded
from eating at the Vaaries. He *Merged that, he had hard
and known Gimpy evil erects arising from Tumultuous Vestry
Meetines, 'hide adh Oleo *sly a 'sodomy to squander the pa-
rish maw;
Mr. STURGES BOOR NE thought the amendment proposed
a matter of Iseperimsee, bat he mad no see that it was "elf-
able to presspri : preat, as It went a deal further data
what was by the Bill. ile that the Bial, as
is-stood, woe seed to produce eeanamical management. and so
increase the comforts of the poor. It had long been circulated
*ivies the e.onatry, but, As it appeared by several Petition..
bad bees misapprehended in many places. He trusted the
House weald let the Rill cease before them aisle in its present
state, and that the How. Member would withdraw his amend-
ment, otherwise he mast feel it right to take the wale of the;
House apes it.
Afire Net marks (rem Mr. SHAW .LEFEVRE, ea the,
properties* Odra aleammeab.
Mr. D. 410.1111111Tmell. sbat though the subject was of
parhutee, he would net press the Home to a divisiow.
Sir C. MON Mt was aniktowrable to she amendweittallieli
was withdrawn.
General THORNTON moved, as an assiesdateat, that the
previous Sake of a Vestry to be held. being given at Church
on Sunday, should Dot be during Divine Service, but after the
eorielesion of Divine Service.
The SPEAKER. informed the Hon. Member, that as his
amendment referred to the first clause, it was too late is that
stage of the Bill for the Hasse to entertain it.
The Report was agreed to, and the bill ordered to be read a
third time tomorrow, if the;engrossed.

ALIEN BILL.
Mr. LAM BTON. ereisg the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) is his
place. wo,s anxious. in ton-equesee of a statement which the
Noble
n 4 LA made, and which appeared so him to be at
'aria wh,,t was said in allot-her place. to which he
could no roes the forms of the Home, more perticstarly &d-
-yer.. to know whether there would be any objectless to his
moving directly for the production of Copies or Extract of all
Cnrrespondeoce between his illikjesty's Secrvariessf Slate re-
m •ecti• g Aliens, since th 40th of November, 1815, .nether wiA
Copies or Extracts of Correspondence between his Mojesty's
Secretary fur Petrie AlLir. sad the Ambassador of the Ne-
therlands. respertiag the granting of Pasports to persons not
natives of tbat country posing from or going to the same.
Lord CASTLEREAGH suggested the propriety of the Hon.
Member's giving a notice of such a motion.

IRISH GRAND JURY PRESENTMENTS.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD, in rising to move for the
Bill, of which he bad given notice, expressed his re-
gret that in the present state of Ireland, and fin the
impossibility of obtaining the County SurvOyors con.
templated by the Act of fast Session, he should be
under the necessity of consenting to its entire repeal ;
the Bill for which he was about to move not contain.
ing a single provision respecting the subject to which
he had just alluded. It was also his intention in the
Bill that he was about to submit to the House, to re.
linquish the provision in the Bill of last Session, re.
stricting the Grand Jury Presentments in Ireland to
the Summer Assizes ; fur however decided his opinion
might be on those subjects, he was not pertinacious
enough to persevere, in opposition to that which ap-
peared to be the general sentiment. He would state
shortly the provisions of the measure that he was de-
sirens to be allowed to introduce. All who knew
any thing of the existing laws on the subject, knew
' that Grand Juries were frequently surprised into
Presentments that were not necessary. He proposed,
that, previously to every Assize, the intended app.
cations should be submitted to the Magistrates at the
Quarter Sessions. This would secure two objects—
the one, a due enquiry into the expediency of every
projected public work ; the other, a better attend.
ance of the Magistrates at the Sessions. He also pro-
posed an alteration in the manner in which the appli-
cation was to be made. It was well known to those
connected with Ireland, that every application of that
nature for public money, large or small, important or
insignificant, had at present no authority, except the
affidavit of the individual applicant, who swore to the
necessity of the work for which it was required, and
to the sum necessary for its completion. The difficulty
of ascertaining these facts was so great, that in 999
cases out of 1000, the affidavit was never taken; or, if
taken, the person by whom it was taken was almost
compelled to perjure himself. It was intended to
propose, that the persons applying to the Magistrates
at the Quarter Sessions before the Assizes should not
make a formal affidavit, bet should be liable to be
examined on oath by the Magistrates on the subject.
Although the Magistrates were to state their opi.
Rion to the Grand Juries with respect to the applica-
tions made to them, that opinion was not to be con-
sidered as at all interfering with the authority of the
Greed Jury, or affecting their decision on the ques-
tion. So far, indeed, from superseding the autho-
rity of the Grand Juries, this proposition was cal-
culated to emend it, as it would give them ■n oppor-
tunity of ascertaining the propriety of public works,
to the construction of which they at ;newel hesi-
tated to come it, from not having the means of ob-
taining the necessary information respecting them.—
Another great object of the proposed Bill was to in•
sure a due account of the expenditure of public
works after their completion. At present this en-
quiry was attended with no solemnity whatever. It
was meant to provide that the persons who had had the
superintendence of such works should be examined
on oath, and in detail, before the Court of Quarter
Session, and that the whole of their accounts should
be liable to traverse. He earnestly deprecated the
introduction into the discussion of this subject of any
topic calculated to produce irritation. For himself,
he would carefully abtain from any such. lie was
the very last man to wish to cast any reflection on the
Gentry of Ireland for the manner in which the law
on •hese subjects was at present executed. That the
evil existed (let the source of it be what it might)
was sufficient to induce the Legislature to en-
deavour to provide a remedy. There was one
remarkable fact which he would state, is order
to show bow necessary was some reform in the
mode of accounting for the money that had been
granted on Grand Jury Presentments, namely, that
the estimate was never found to exceed the actual
expenditure, and that although on the average half a