The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-05-08 00:00:00

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Puttlic elfaire....and this being refused, he reqiiired
some security of the Secretary of State that
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rionid reed Ms address to the King. This swas
inipoisible---the Secretary could only send thesal
with *thee papers. It never bad been the custonit
to publish all addresses and petitions in The, Goe.
rate. N otlitig -itas•established against Ministers,'.
eicept Its could be shown that they had deviated..
from the usual practice. He could not believe
that the people of this country were discontented,
with the present mode of presenting petitions,
through the medium of the Secretary of State,
When they considered the calms to which this was
Owing.
Mr. HORNER did not know whether it' was
that the Ministers did net understand the question,
or perposely avoided it, from being unable to an.
1 swer. The speech of the first speaker (pint the
I Treasury referred solely to the claim of petitioning
on the Throne, which his Hon. Friend bad ea.
prosily waved. The Honourable Secretary bad
wandered from the reef question _to talk of his
voleanos, mad had even resorted to a foreign lan-
guage for 'invective. This question was of the
most eital importance in itself,, livid still more ire-
' portant from tho meaner in which it had been re.
I ceived. He then dwelt upon the highly indecor-
ous, indelicate, and improper manner in which the
Ministers endeavoused to defend themselves by
drawing the veil from the infirmities of their Stave-
rage. It was impossible for the House to believe
that his Majesty was not in estate perfectly coin.
potent to the' discharge of that most important of
duties, the giving of proper attention to the corn,
ilsblae refused.ititsofhisi siouwbjeeteintsi.p.ietlef
who wuiedrohaovtehebreew inset,heiitr
would be the duty of the House to order an inves-
tigation. But they know that this was not neces-
sary, and must therefore reprobate the mode of de-
fence to which Ministers resorted. The claim of
the Livery was founded upon what for a century
and a half had been considered as the most inva-
luable rights of Englishmen, At hich would be nu-
eatery withe‘t access to his Majesty's person.
Even in the worsetimes—in those of Charles the
11th. &c. this access had not been refused. The
' most corrupt Ministers had no idea that it could
' triumph if they had discovered the practice which
had of late prevailed ! It was the right of the
Livery of London, as it was of all other British,
subjects to have access to.the royal person, omit
'ewes the•refusal which was complained of. Petie
does ought certainly always to be respeatful anti
decorous--whether to the. Crown or Parliament,.
Peep., heart] ~ Re undeestood that cheer, and
es answer to it said, that, he thought same late pe.
titides were :fixedly the reverse of what the idea
of a petition, implied. There was in the Mier, and ,
even in the expression, something that warrants:
the belief that other objects were in the content,
elation of thp framers than a mere complaint of
'•grievances. But, on the other hand, the übstruc.
tion of petitions, properly so called, was asubscr.
'llion of the fundamental law of the land. ,
;Ilion a division the numberawere—
For thellutioii, 52—Agains; it, istl--litieority, 86.
. . On the readmission of strangers into the gal-
lery,
Mr. WHITBREAD was on his legs, speaking
on the resolution for a grant of 70001. per ann. to
the Duke of Brunswick, on the Consolidated
Fund. It appeared to him, that there were other
feuds upon which la suitable provision far this
Prince might better be charged. He instanced the
Droite of the Admiralty, and Civil List Pensions.
Mr. TIERNEY did:noisy" why it might not
have been charged, isethe first instance, on the 41
peewit. duties, as the pension•of 90001. per an-
nuns to the Duke of Gloucester had been. He
'should like to know what.copld be spared from
the Civil List, or what might be spared from the
Droits 'of the Admiralty to purchase such an alai,
nuity, without incumbent% the Consolidated
Fond,? Ile had also heard that the military ap.
puidtments of his Highness werefrom,three to five
thousand a year : he wished to know whether this
report was correct.
'Mr. PERCEVAL replied, that his military ap,
pointments did net exceed 15001. or 16001. a year. I
As to the Digits of Admire/Iy, 'ewes a floating
fund, upon which a permanent grant could not I
attach.' i •.:."
Mr. TIERNEY explained.
Mr. PONSONBY said, 'that when it was eon-,
sidered that the Ducheei of Brunswick had. ale
ready a pension of 'lO,OOOl. a yearchargtAl demon
Consolidated Fund, he. tholitht *at 70001.' time
nually.was rather too greatonaet 4' vote to 1,100
" Duke. . It appeared to him that, ill ittcunistances
being cessidered, BOO& tier seem wOuid
have been quite anifieient. He Tithed' to linger
the situation of the amount of the Droits,p(l,A,4o
minify, and what could he spared from jWI 3 •_,,,,
iThe CHANCELLOR ,of -the slatliF4ol VIR
URI, titallt was metal* by nu means att exhaest.
1 ed fund ; bat he could dot take.uport himself to
I say what sums Could 'be spared from it.
The Resolotiou weather,* put and agreed, to. t
Mr. TIERNEY expressed a wish, that !refined
the second reading, Of the Bill. to be founded. op
•this resolution, :the Chancellor •of tile Exchequer',
,geld be prepared to answer the questions which`
xlhall been pet to him:' • •
1 niTho *ldler Orders of the. Day were UM% ells.
11 of, and the arise adjottraed. - •

-THE- STATES.
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, Au° ma. the toirtviities of the days"
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is foil of mitlosities) is the deed °OA*: cooNren-
METTINGE4,II, Of the City of, bondon. First,
they'call thoie tri sedjousniediMeeting of
the ,'ll44airotecf,!—but ho* ?
and by witRAA 4104144 Mit)tiOisfatsolved: the
meeting of thillAirstyl ptocitimatiop, vk.i9oo
a irhati firobikedlithOluainesa for efftetinglibicb
kt, had ran pro° Cduager4orit(..
itigeral thegermt pfieMigiq to 60 .ton-li
64_ !et. the ..Pill!** 'Y'Airis,34o,l

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,as opt tp: set *A:matter ,right; but there is
sonseithing more important still, to talk aluout,
concerning this Meeting : who. are.- these Meet.
ingots, that presume to libel the Livery, and
deny the legitimate, act of the Livery of Lon.
don? They are the persons who will put their
hands into the pockets of the people. They may
use ps many hard names as they please, speaking
of the Common Han ; but the, Word which forme
their proper name and descriPt toys in truth harder '
than any they can invent for thielsommon liall,
with all the wit of their malice, and the malice of ,
`their twit. They deo 'the Ministers of Go.
i veroment in the City--tile; men u'llo do
I put their bands, end will pet their hands into
the pockets;mest the people.!: They live by •
plunder, end *Mb* * associating to preserve the
1 right of plundering!! There is no min on earth
Ican deny this ; and when this is said, there is at
once an answer to all they say of the from. "
i mon • Hall, and of the People of England,
and of the friends of the People of England.... ~,
We must correct, however, a small error we have -1
fallen ioto. Some of thoSe who sign the Protest, '
meant of the number of the pLusireirtne, but
arc, in truth, a part of the plundered. But these
1,411) Ipir9Fillltittely) have bread to find fur thap.
selves and families, and arc in the employ of the
Proposers of the Counter llfeeting, or of those
connected with them. This is a tact which
cannel he denied ; and we must say over and
over again, the rapacity of Governmetql
and the rapacity of these very • PsoTaiTrup,
preying as they do upon the people, has re.
! cloud time people so low, that money is the
sole question with (ho people, aod thesy will sign
the protest, or sign any thing, at
•iivitle any of the means of gettingrie tr hall part
money. pltite,
p notorious fact, . that many of those who held up
theii Amide tor the Resolutions pasSed in Guild,
ASP, havasince pet their hands, the sama heeds,
to the protest. But whet then ? Dom apy body
questiott where their hearts are
*e have endeavoured to call the rellly mode? •
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late meta qp to the true point of, their dhty iti tbis
epostdifficult and dangerous moment, linfeign,
edly sorry are we to find, that they (soma of them
at least) are doing all that jo 'theft lies, to
throw , away., this country, and its IN and
edmired Constitution, ,like It truisundetgleod and
misprised goo l Earl Geri, we do.not Suspect of
wishing to take any mum's money but his owe.
skt l'fas.l G licir can't get into power and place (of
which he is fond),without. the GaiNeutles; and
theGagovitz,Es have the low passioq Of taking
other peoplea money, ,and it is now ,plain, wile
hazard any thing, and every thing, rattle! then •
part with that passion. Earl glair, thetefeie, .
steps forward to save the country! That, my: ;
Lord, is what we wish you to do, and, all good`
men wish you to do. But reflect ! what are your
means of salvation ? If you have nut understood'
i them, let us tell you, my Lord—You arc about,
' to put the Coentry into the hands of those ram
whom you once opposed with an eloquence) which, ,
if not very splendid, was powerful, from your
high birth, your youth, and the other loterestial •
circumstances of the earlier part of your life. fet
pity's sake, my Lord, spare yourself, if you hava
not integrity enough to desire to spare your
country. .- • ,
IWe have said the above to my Lard Gael with,
much pain, .My Lord
hit
compels 113 to feat'
hitnl;uatess we take the refuge of tlespisitg him.
;While we feel in this. manner respecting Earl
• Qitivr, we turn with pleasure to Mr. Waterettymp
lig, has often shown himself the real and, c$ orf,
erfal, Mosul of his Country. .We hope and trust,
ba wilt nu 4 employ hie Went., and use the ids,
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puce of Bre high Chartiler,to.hile , thaegr
ei.re•otry,
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W* call the atteatioq• arqurApaWs to 110
spirited, and fast.-Rtsuletions passed by the Wham
laitante of E401.01,:,_ 4Nttiectitt tre- reeenrtrans.
aliruis o( -,4ip.,' ii?timiiies,,,oniipoii,,,
,Ttrii good
tease, the Arfnuess, diaphsged. id dole 11.4foier
1 tions, we hope to see• provident ia every Town,
and City, and 'County in England. If so, the
people' must prevail, and be at length 'delivered
from the Odium's :so vieveusly, imposed upu!
Them. . .
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We could not hate coneeivedietirviAT.""ed
'could have been so ignorantllao tO In them-
selves in Sich a tikfillattleti of 441, ,between t 1
. ,!..1,,, th..l Kit ; ..0 . • •,ik-i„,
Marqutt 1 E.4441p4ty **flip oi.s.t, acid ..- 0
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We understand the Tax,apttlserees, Liontratteeso
Jobbers, &e. are .canvalsioria ...very direquou,
and compelling all those pour urger atoituAinotd
who see under their clutches,: to go, and hie Vi
! pillions PROT iST. We ask 1 yowl:, Mr. Dsil'illY
• K.kssaae, del yoo not, last Smithy, 'ativi 'l4"e,,
service (when your mind ought to tw, iltiiro"
with other linage), in acertaiutChapul, etuomireftre
a enormous for signing ••this If ovit Vtotest--1, this
consistent with.yoot towering profession I 4ln
a part of your Ova,. W , Sir, If re
have any feeling lofty to .
of that respectahie society. ti

'II" 1;71: y 0;;;:. CA; 071,5 k ) Otl, Sir, II
have any feeling loft, to auswer for tltopsdit
of that raspectabk society. to ~ hie % Jou belunk-
lAitt I.Ky
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