The Statesman.
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deemed expedient. But, with a view to obtain some should be ltid before the House. iiiesp do.
explanation upon the subject, be moved for an Ad• amen° he conceived necessary to enable the House
dress to the Regent, praying for a Copy of the Sti. to &tide upon the important subject announced tot
potations stated in the first article of the Treaty discussion to-morrow, and therefore be required them
before the House to have been signed and concluded Irons his Majesty's Ministers. •
by the Congress at Vienna, and which the Allies The Earl of LIVERPOOL conceived pig the
Solemnly engaged to maintain. conclusion could not be justified, either upon any
Earl of LIV ERPOOL enured the Noble Mar- technical form or principle of argument, that the al&
qedobat it would be improper to grant the informs- lesion to the stipulations of Cosigress in the first ari
Sion to which the motion referred, and also that such dela oftite treaty implied their ratification, or neces'
information was not at all necessary to enable the eerily connected any consideration of these stipule,
House to come to a decision upon the Address which dots with the question fixed for discussion to.mo. r.
it was proposed to bring forward to-morrow, for the row. For what was the state of the case? A tier).
discussion of which he should reserve himself until , elation had commenced at Vienna, which, If Bona.
dm proper opportunity offered. He did post mean parte had never returned from Elba, would hate still
to say that it woo be be improper to communicate to I proceeded, and certain points were decided, and was
Parliament the information required by the Noble there any thing unusual or irregular in the pledge
Marquis, but the time was not yet come for making that the parties concerned Would support their decl-
dot communication, as the stipulations alluded ti 'inn in concert? Bat the engagements referred to in
formed no part of any ratified Treaty. When that that decision were distinct from the question which
ratification should take place, those stipulations the Howse would be called upon to consider to•mor.
would, of course, he made known to their Lord.' row. Those engagements, indeed, would, as he had
ships. The force of the Noble Marquis's observe- already said, bear in no degree upon that question
tiosss he (Lord L.) should be ready to admit, if it which would refer to a concert for a different par.
were intended by the vote of to-morrow to call upon pose. By the motion of to•morrow, it was in fact
their Lordships for any pledge upon the merit of the not at ill intended to pledge the House to any ap•
transactions to which the motif's. referred. But that probation of the proceedings of Congress, but to sup-
vote would leave these transactions still open for dis. port the Regent in his purpose of resisting the com-
Mission, as it would not involve soy opinion what- into enemy in conjunction with his Allies—to con.
am upon the proceedings at-the Congress at Vienna. sidle the expediency and neeessky of opposing the
iherefOre, whether those proceedings were right or 'present Government of France. With respect to
wrong, the Noble Marquis's motion could answer Louis XVIII. no act of formal accession on the part
no object with a view to the discussion of to-morrow, of that Monarch to the treaty before the House had
because the question to be discussed would have no been received by his Majesty's Ministers, and as to
reference to those proceedings. What the nature of the reported ambiguity of the conduct of Ministers
those proceedings thee was, it was not at present and the Allies, in appointing persons to reside at the
niaterial fur the House to know. That the arrange- Court of Liosis, no such ambiguity could be fairly
*tuts concluded by Congress were just and ezpedi. imputed. For the principle of the Allies stood upon
eat, be, for one, was fully prepared to maintain ; plain and simple grounds. It was not their object
hot the defence of these arrangements were not at to dictate any form of Government to France; but
all necessary with any regard to the motion of to- they certainly wished for the restoration of the legi-
morrow. For that motion had a distinct object in timate Sovereign of that country, as the best means
view, and involved this question simply, whether of securing a solid and permanent peace ; and for
their Lordships would agree to support our Allies the attainment of that end they were pledged to co•
against the de facto Government of France? Whe. operate within certain limits. For they did not 'la-
ther an opposition to that Government, in conjunt. tend or desire to interfere with the exercise of the
don with our Allies, was a fit and expedient pro- rightof the French nation to choose its own Govern-
ceeding on our part ? But whether the general ar- sent, and therefore they were not bound to
rangements of Europe, concluded or contemplated Louis XVIII. to press his restoratioh to the Throne,
by Congress were proper or improper, the House against the wish of the French people.
would not to-morrow be called upon to deliver any The-Marquis of BUCKINGHAM said, that al.
opinion. Under all these circumstances then, as. though he could not but regret that di consideration
spring the Noble Marquis that the information which of the arrangements of Congress had been necessa.
he required, could not consistently be produced at •rily and unavoidably mixed with the discussion of the
present, and that such information could in no de- question announced for to.morrow, through the ex-
greebet4 on the question fixed for discussion to-mor- traordinary construction of the Treaty before the
row, he trusted the Noble Marquis would see the Home, he should still consent to withdraw his mo,
impropriety of pressing his motion. I lion, upon the understanding already olluded to.—
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM agreed, that if The motion was withdrawn.
is the motion of to-morrow it were not proposed to Lord GRENVILLE proposed to fix for Wednes.
call ern the Home for any pledge respecting the day the second reading of the Bill for rendering Free
arrangements of the Congress, it was not necessary hold Property subject to the payment of Simple Con.
to press his motion. At the same time he most ex• tract Debts ; but, after a few words from Lord El-
press Ms surprise that any obligation connected with lenborough, the motion was withdrawn, in conse.
those arrangements should have been mixed with a (pence of the indisposition of the Lord Chancel-
question as to the propriety of seconding our Allies for.
in resistance to the present Government of Frailest;ifaribar proceedings epee Lord Roseberry's Di-
---iforh an obligation leefhett To betray a desifh; verve Sill was postponed, upon the motion of the
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irrformsfity in the Petition ivith regard to the siesta- to obtain by a side wind the approval of their Lord.
tares, which appeared uporte different paper from ships with respect to these arrangement.. However,
that on which the Petition was written, the Noble upon the understanding stated by the Noble Secre.
Marquieconatoncd to withdraw it. Lary, he should crescent to withdraw his motion.
The ,trl of DONOLIC 11 MORE, after a few oh. Earl GREY concurred with the opinion of his t ?
servatiom, postisoned•his intended motion upon the Noble Frie•sd, that if the stipulations alluded to were
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Catholic Coestion, from Thursday to Friday se'n- fit to Ise included in a ratified Treaty, pledging this
night. , country, they were in a state to be laid before Par- A person from the Stamp Office presented an ac-
Lord
.KENYQN suggested the propriety of a fur- dement. Bat according to the Noble Secretary, they count of the amount of Stamp Duties upon' Pam-
ther postfumsement, in oonsequence of the indisposi. ought not to be comnionicoted to their Lordships,iplets for. the year 1814. '
don of 01 Lnrd Chaecellor, to whom a long dis- because they formed no part of a ratified Treaty.-1 Mr. W. DUNDAS moved that...the Clackcnannia
caution, storm early day, was bat too likely to be The Treaty, however, of the 25th of March stated, Gaol Bill should be committed.
very leconvenlent.
.t that these stipulations were signed and concluded by I Mr. BENNETT briefly adverted to the highly die.
Fad. DONOUQIIMORE lamented the indispo- Congress, and, therefore, in his (Lord Grey's) opt.
,graceful state in which the Gaols of Scotland are,
sitieu of-the Learned Lord alluded to, but declared, ninn, as they were included in this Treaty that was both as to the want of conveniences for the prison.
Ise shnuld not feel Isitriself justified in agreeing to any actually ratified by the Allies, the stipulations them, era confined in them, and the. infliction of severe pa.
fOrtt.er poitponrmetst of this very important question. selves mu't be held as not alone virtually but really Inishments. In some, he was informed, a mode of
Tilt.: .oaitat I..se. and positively ratified.—[Hear, hear!]—That Trestyleonfinement was adopted by chaining persons to the
The Marquis of BU 'MOHAN, in rising pur- too,
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it was to be recollected, pledged this country, ground, which amounted almost to torture; and he
anent •to notice, said, t t ho should ec t.py the therefore it was desirable to know the nature of those I thought some remedy for such abuses ought to be
attention-of the House oninsfor a few n-susents, but stipulations, in order to enable the Home to decide I applied by Government. If only one half the a tten-
that he fell it his dnty tothitenit a thotion, in con. upon the question, which it world be to-morrow I don were paid to the general management and regu-
empreacessi some words contained in the Treaty cnm- called upon to discuss, and which he must confess Wien of prisons which was given to the nomination
'endued to their Lordships, by which the Contract. of corporation officers, or of persons appointed to
therbil alratelt trembled 'to consider. The considers.
log Violet! engaged to maintain cettfAin stipolationa tibu of the general expediency alluded to by the i'places for political purpoies, there would not be so
contacted by the Congress at Vision,. It was not Noble Secretary, and what was to determine the many legitimate causes of complaint as now unlispL
btiverkh to postpone the discussion . i 11. e question . commencement of a perilous coutest, must in a great I pity existed.
announced for to-morrow. the consids.ration of which • measure depend upon the views of the Allies; and Mr. W. DUNDAS said he willingly admitted that
had, in his opinion, been too long delayed; but if how could those views be ascertained, if the itnow.' formerly the Gaols in Scotland were liable to many
the tdatious referred to had, as was stated, been , ledge of thestipulations, which formed a part of the jest complaints; but within these few years five or
' ..tteek.concluded. it was not too he Treaty, ' were withheld from the House—if their six new gaols had been erected in different counties,
• much, 1
thnegfititederuaral a statement of these stipulations, Lordships had not de., means of judging of the na. respecting which, as far as he knew, no complaints
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Marquis of Lansdown, after a few words from Lord
Lauderdale ; and else upon Christie's. Divorce Bill,
on the motion of Lord Montfort.
' Adjourned.

in Ordeit slit the, House should see to what it
pledged, order that their Lordships should dis-
tinctly understand what they were called upon to
support, before they decided upon the main questieu
of war or peace. He did not propose to call the
sttenlion of the House to whet passed at Congress,
or to determine whether the proceedings of that As-
sembly were just; necessary, or politic. -Upon that
question be did not call upon their Lordship to pro.
14 once any opinion, but he could not think it too
emelt for the house to require opus what ground it
stood—st rat was the actual situation of the country,
sod by arl:at terms it was to sbide in the Treaty pro-
v.,sed for discussion. He did not wish to have any
decuments improperly or prematurely communicated
to the Home; but the stipulations referred to must
he in a state to be laid befere Parliament as they
sere deemed fit, being, as alleged, actually signed
sod concluded, to forns.part of a ratified treaty, and
the statement of those stipulations was the more ea
cPssary, in order that the House should be aware of
the nature of its proposed pledge. A ratified treaty
could not, their Lordships must know, experience
'thy change or modification ; and, therefore, betor
the (louse agreed to vote away the public Dumpy, is
suppirt of such a treaty, he submitted that it oegbt
in 1.1. fully aware of the extent of its provisions ; but !
it could not be so aware if kept in-ignorance as to
rite nature of those stipulations. He had not, he.!
repeated, any desire to delay the proposed discus-
; hot, preview to that discussion, he thought it
PropPr (i, pot their Lordships in possession of the
s'iputatiOns ollocted-t0.... It was, indeed, desirable
Ant the Noble itsretary &Wald. lien describe the
*.tilt*! of them stipulations) if nothing more were

lure, principle, and extent of tireir-e;gagements— • -
for the engagements of the Confederacy might be I Mr. BENNETT ezpliined.
'Jell is to determine the inespediesicy of the war on • Mr. FINLAY observed, that at Glasgow all th?e
Our petit and to endanger the prospect of success.— Oiectiees stated by the Hon. Gent. were removed
In a eorthist so full of danger and expence, be can. in the gaol which had been erected at the expence of
tended that the country ought not to be plunged with the Corporation.
the consent of that House, without being fully aware After some further conversation between Mr.
of the objects of the Confederacy. With thin view, Abercrombie, Mr. W. Wynne, and Sir G. Clerk,
then, he felt tbatit was material to put their Lord. the Bill was committed, and the Report ordered CY
ships in possessingi of the stipulations referred to, and be received to-morrow.
kale° of thi term opon which Louis XVIII. had ac- Lord A. HAMILTON presented Petitions from
ceded tout* alliance, in order to understand under various places in Scotland, praying for a rep/al of
what pledge this country was about to act. A pub. the Corn Bill, which oil 0'
lication had this day appeared, purporting to be the table- •
.Manifesto of that unfortunate Monarch, which covi.: Mr. ABERCROM
tabled these remarkable words, " the Powers Os stood there were man'
sembled at Congress resolved that the accession of baring the same objr
the King (Louis XVIII.) should be demanded to lb. stolid, it ought to be
~new compact which they bad just concloded—their at this period of the
Ambassadors have brought these communications to posed the noose cool
his Majesty.they presented to him the new creden. its proceedings upon •.„
tials of their respective Sovereigns, to reside wherever i.ord A. HAMI
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the sole legitimate Sovereign of France was, and , which were not-audible'
their powers being authenticated they offered the new • PRINCE RE
Treaty of the Allies to deliberation and signature of ,Loed cAsr LER KA,
the Kig.. Frenchmen, the King has deliberated sad the House with a Mr
signed It, In these words alone lies your whole se- the Nemo Regents
curtly." These words be l(Lord G.) thought at va. Speaker proceeded to
riance with the Declaration annexed to our ratifica. following is the substance
Ron of the Treaty alluded to, and, therefore, pre- 44
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vious to the consideration of the proposed Address, "
he felt that their Lordships should be informed of the
terms upon which Louis XVIII. had acceded to this
Treaty. He felt also that a Copy of the powers granted
to odr Ambassador at the Court stf Louis XVIH.

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