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Mr. CAILCRAFT said it was clear that the forward-
ness of his lion. Friend had evidently placed the Noble
Lerd in an unpleasant situation. It was SOME time ko
for be said any thing about the petition, and now lie
had spoken of it in very mild language. He thought
the hones would agree in the general principles laid
down by the Noble Lord as to the respect due to its au-
thority. But be thought that if a petition contained ex-
pressions that were harsh and doubtful, and that even
if they could he distorted into disrespect or insult, their
doors should he opened so wide as to admit it. Ile could
ete nothing in the petition before them which was ad•
r• rse to its being received. What it contained had often
bren reputed there, and doubtless would be again.—
Were they not accuatonted to say that taxation was griev-
ous ? Was it not a fact that pensions and useless of-
fices were kept up, by which many Members of the
hats* were under the direct idiom/if of the Crown?—
With regard to the standing army, he had always said
that it was greater than was at all necessary for proper
purpose, and it had been used in some instances under
very suspicion.' circumstances. He could not help think-
ing that his Hon. Friend had displayed a little too much
zeal in moving for the rejection of the petition.
Sir R. WILSON said that the lion. Gentlemen oppo-
site could not, as a man of honour, deny that seats in
that hoes* were bought and sold to his own knowledge.
He thought the petition ought to be received.
Mr. C. WYNN had always considered that a petition
smell; not to be rejected upon any particular expressions
or words which it might contain, but upon the general
spirit in which it was drawn up. If he looked at the in-
tention from the general spirit of the present petition,
he thought it was plainly intended to insult the house.
The Right Hon. Oentleman repeated the objectionable
passages, and said that the language, if true, was a jus-
tification of rebellion. If it were allowed to pass, he
mast own that he knew net where they were to stop,
and by what it might not he followed. He felt that they
toast make a stand where they believed there was an in-
tention to insalt the honer, and he should consequently
vote for the rejection of the petition.
Sir J. NEWPORT thought they were bound to open
as far as possilde the doors of the house to the petitions
of the penpie, and that by so doing they should best
cnnsnit the dignity and the authority of the Louse. To
a very large proportion of what was contained in the
petition he perfertly consented. Could be deny that in
many instances the House of Commons had been lavish
and wasteful to a degree? Had they not themselves
sanctioned the keeping up of useless offices? They
could not therefore deny the people the right of com-
plaining that such things did exist. Titers were cer-
tainly some words in the petition which he regretted,
bet they ought not to be scrupulous about expressions
in a time of distress like the present. The house would
best consult its own dignity by receiving the petition.
Mr. Secretary PEF.I. must confess Ott the spirit in
which the Noble Lord hail spoken was in perfect con-
sistence with the rules which he bad laid down. If
there had been any hesitation on the part of hie Noble 1
Friend, it was that of wishing to hear the petition read
a second time, in order to see if it might be passed over
without an!: sacrifice of the character of the house. If
the petition had adhered to the topics and the grounds
which the Hon. Baronet hail laid down, he (Mr. Peel)
should have come to the same conclusion as the Hon.
Baronet did, as to the propriety of receiving it. But it
Was because he could not reconcile its language with
those justifiable grounds of petitioning, that he felt
bound with the greatest reluctance to vote for its rejec-
tion. There was also a point of form which at once
struck him as being objectionable in the wording of the
petition. It was called a remonstrance. Now if his re-
collection served him right, it was uniformly the custom
to call each applications petitions. He should lot have
considered this a sufficient reason for rejecting the pe-
tition ; but when he looked for the axioms in which the
whole bad been drawn up, end he found this word re.
monstrance in conjunction with the language be had
heard in the second reading of the petition, he had no
difficulty in determining that it ought not to be received.
lie was convinced that it would form a rule that would
lead to future petitions of a still more objectionable na-
g 7e. If the language it contained were not insulting
to the house, he was at a loss to know what would be so.
If what the petitioners stated were true, they had better
abdicate this branch of the legislature at once. He as-
sured the house that it 17311 with the greatest pain he
title to the conclusion of voting against the reception of
the petition.
i4r. J. SMITH did not believe many of the allega-
tions contained in the petition. The one with regard
to the army was altogether false. He was certain that
these who composed it were wholly incapable of the
conduct imputed to them. But he (elt considerable dif-
ficulty in rejecting a petition of this kind, and he was
determined not to do so by what had fallen from the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite who hail lately accepted
office. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, that before re-
- jetting a petition they ought to be satisfied that there
was an iutended insult, and this had not been made out
in the present case. believed that there were many
persons who thought every word contained in this pe-
tition to be true. lie, however, did not think so, and
be knew that partof it, which related to the army, to
be grossly false.
Mr. Secretar y PEEL explained.
The bone then divided on the motion for receiving
the petition, when there appeared—For the motion 55.
—Against it 89.—Majority 34.—And the petition was
consequently rejected.
Mr. COKE then rose to present another petition for
Reform from the county of Norfolk. it was, the Hon.
Member said, from a county he was proud to represent,
and it contained the sentiments of men who 'hewed that
they were determined manfully to speak their minds
even in the worst of times. The petition was confined
to a prayer for Reform. It was worded according to
the feelings he possessed himself, and there was not an
expression in it in which lie did not heartily concur.
lir considered that the country was reduced to poverty
and approaching ruin by the Present Administration ;
an Administration composed of Ministers who were alto..
nether callous to the sufferingsof the people. Although
the petition had been agreed to at a most respectable
countyaneeting, he could scarcely hope that it would he
received as it was worded at present. Ile had however
derived much satisfaction at witnessing the respectable
minority on the late motion for a Reform in that house ;1
and be had no dou'at that if the corrupt part of the tua-
joritv were taken away, it would be found that that mo-
t:011111cl been carried.
The petition was then brought up, read, and (no oppo-
sition being offered to it) was ordered to lie on the table
and be printed.
Lord G. CAVENDISH presented a petition from cer-
tain Landowners of the county of Derby against the
rill before the house for altering the Corn Laws. —Or-
dried to lie on the table.
Mr. CA INERT brought up the report on the Assize
of Bread Bill, which was ordered to be taken into con-
sideration on Wednesday next.
Mr. DENISON presented a petition from certain Pro-
testant Dissenters of the county of Surrey, complaining
of the disabilities to which they were reposed by the'
present law, and praying for relief.—Ordered to lie on
she table.
Mr. MARRIOTT presented a petition from several
wholesale and retailDrocers of London against the re-
newal of the West India Dock Charter. The petitioners
stated that the Charter had been extended, upon an as-
sonance from the Company in favour of the petitioners,
which had not been carried into effect. They prayed

that their petition Night be referred to thirorde ,
Trade Committer. —Onlered.
Sir W. DE CRESPIONY presented a petition from se-
veral Protestants of Southampton, against the Derr Li-
cence Wt.—Ordered to lie on the table.

PENSION BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Order of the Day for the House receiving the Re-
port of the Committee on the Naval and Military Pen-
sions 11111.
Lord A. HAMILTON said. be mast take that oppor-
tunity of calling the attention of a Learned Lord oppo
site, to the Bill which he had brought In. and now, it
seemed, bad abandoned, for the abolition of cumin'
places in Scotland. The House bad refused to give him
(Lord A.) permission to bring in such a Bill, sad the
Learned Lord had afterwards taken leave to bring it is
himself. The Learned Lord had said that he would
have accounted for the delay which had taken place glace.
the Bill was first brought in, bad the House not boss
counted out on the motion for its second reading.—
He (Lord A.) was perfectly aware that the bill would el-
thnately be abandoned, and that there was no chance of
abolishing these places, although • Bill for that pur-
pose had been introduced eight years ago. He sows ht,
the face of the House, called upon the Learned Lea 111
give a reason for the delay.
The LORD ADVOCATE said, it bad been admitted
that those offices could not be abolished without giving
indemnity to the individuals who held Oise, and
against whom no misconduct whatever had been-lileged-
Tbisindeinnity would amount to between four and 5,00111.
a year to be paid by the public, although the expense of
the offices was at present borne by individuals. The
Judges of the Scottish Courts had, however, declared
their opinion that the duties discharged by these officers
could out be dispensed with; and it was thee proposed
to transfer those duties to the local Mmistratee, who
would of course be entitled to an additional renames-
tion on this account, and thus the public would her her-
thened with a double expense. He bad suggested that
the Officers should be allowed to remain, and that as
they gradually fell in by the death or resignation bf the
present holders, they should sot be filled up, bat that
their duties shoal!' be gradually transferred to the Ma-
gistrates. Since then many communications bad been
made to him on the subject, representing the necessity
' of his consulting the Judges on this subject, and he felt
the necessity. of his doing so. These and other circum-
stances had induced him to postpone the Bill in ques-
tion for the present Session; and In the interim, he was
authorised to say, that should either of those Offices fall
in during the recess, it would be filled up until the ques-
tion should be finally decided by Parliament.
Sir JAMES !MACKINTOSH said then was as order
of the Day which from its nature might be thought to
have precedence of every other. It was on the Bill of
an Hon. Friend of his (Mr. Kennedy) respectlnc the
Law of Scotland, and which could not be convemently
discussed in the absence of the Learned Lord oppo-
site (the Lord Advocate) who was about to leave
town on his official duties. He hoped therefore that
the Right Hon. Gentlereastiwenlik allow the Scotch Ju-
ries Bill to take procedonaes‘tbb motion now before
the House.
The CHANCELLOII44.Ihe EXCHEQUER said, it
was with reluctawce be;declined acceding to the request
of the Hon. and Lewitt! Rondonia'. The present ques-
tion. which was one of great financial importance, bad
been postponed fbr two days, on a distinct understand-
ing that it was to have priority to-day. The Bill
alluded to by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman could be
brought on to-morrow.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, the questioe width
he was himself to bring on to-morrow was •of sash pre-
mises importance, that at present he was sot laillasd
concede it to any other.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
the question to be brought forward by the Honourable
and Learned Member was unquestionably one of im-
portance in itself, but not as to the time of its being
discussed.
Mr. KENNEDY expressed himself much disappoint-
ed at the refusal of the Chancellor of the Exchequer ;1
and said, that his (Mr. K.'s) motion, might probably'
be allowed to come on after the present question was
disposed of.
The CUANCELLOR of the EXCHIQUIR and Sir Jamas
MACKINTOSH mutually explained ; and the motion was
then put and agreed to.
On the question being put for receiving the Report,
Mr. CALCRAIrf begged to call the attention of the
Right Honourable Gentleman opposite to the Salt Tax
Repeal. He (Mr. C.) had received many communica-
tions from persons interested in the Fisheries, which
were, it seemed, to bear the Salt tax of 2s. per bushel.—
It was the opinion of those persons, that the fisheries
wonld not be able to bear the tax ; and he could not re-
frain from letting the Right Hon. Gent. know the cir-
cumstance, since he must naturally be desirous to know 1
the opinion of those who were interested in his taxes.—
He trusted this fact would make some impression on the
Right Hon. Gentleman, and that be would not persevere 1
in a tax which must materially injure so beneficial and
national a branch of our trade as the fisheries. The
duty on Rock Salt ought he conceived to be also ie-
duced.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that all the advantages he had mentioned when he open-
ed the subject would be allowed during the whole of the
fishing season. The question might afterwards be con-
sidered when it regularly came before the House; but
the present was not a fit time for its discussion.
Mr. D. GILBERT said the pilchard fisheries in
Cornwall alone gave employment to upwards of HI,OOO
persons, and called for the use of 90,000 bushels of salt
annually. The persons engaged in the exportation of
pilchards were very. anxious to know whether they
would be considered in the proposed allovtinees ; and be
trusted the Right Hon. Gent. would state distinctly that
which would remove their anxiety.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
be presumed his Hon. Friend was not iu the House
when be opened the subject. He then stated that the
duty would be arranged so as to fall almost impercepti-
bly on the consumer, and that an allowance would
be made to those who exported fish to foreign markets.
Sir It. FERGUSON said a few words which we ,
did not distinctly bear, in favour of the Scotch Fish-1
cries.
Mr. GRES FELL concurred in what bad fallen from 1
his lion. Friend (Mr. D. Gilbert), in favour of the Corn-
wall Fisheries. 'lime duty affecting them would in its
consequences be a tax of not less than 15 per cent. upon
their capital.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT complained of the mode in
which the Leather Tax was assessed in Ireland. It was
assessed by ineastiremeut, and not, as formerly, by
weight, a mode which lie considered as highly °Nee-
tionahle!
After a few words from Mr. Cuawes:, which were
quite inaudible,
Mr. HUME rose to oppose the motion for receiving
the Report. He thought it
should return to • correct
finances. He had not the I
op of a Sinking Fund
that it would not be laid
the Exchequer. That Rii
taken between 6 and 7 mill
this fund ; and yet lie had
they would be altogether !
they touched it. He did
Gentleman for touching

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blamed him for talking one way sad acting another. I:
was most inconsistent to buy and sell annuities at the
HMO time. It was a rount.-.bunt way of doing that
which might easily be simplified. It teas better to pro-
ceed simply and honestly in the management of our
finances, and to free them from complexity. He there-
fore moved as an Amendment a Resolution, " That it is
expedient to take from the Sinking Fund a sum equal in
amount to that proposed to be raised for payment of
Naval and Military Pensions."
Mr. GRENFELL seconded the Amendment. WM&
ever loans were wanted be thought it was sheepdog".
rable to draw the money out of the hands of the Com-
missioners for managing the Sinking Fund. Should
the Aseadment he rejected he certainly intended to
popes a clatter similar in words and meaning to that
proposed In 1706 by Mr. Fox. It would be a clone em-
paerawlng these Commissioners to pay the money in
their bands on account of loans.
Mr. BROUGHAM said a slight alteration of words
would make the plan of the Right Hon. Gentleman and
that of his lion. Friend precisely time tame. The Right
Hen. Gentleman proposed two sets of Commissioners;
is. for reducing the National Debt and the other fur
ineressing it. Why not save the trouble of bringing
is. set of them into existence? They must afterwards
be pretty well nurtured, as most public infants required
to be. At present here was a set really made to their
hoods, grown up and in full maturity.—(A laugh.)—
They were precisely of the same cast as that of the set
proposed to be created. The present Commissioners
might sit on the same day and at the same place in their
suited capacity, and migitt be empowered to deal lithe
stock. The plan for double Commissioners was a seiiim
Iwo. degrading mummery; and it was proposed just ie
make it be thought that the Right Hun. Gentleman was
rosily not touching the Sinking Fund. It was a clumsy,
aboard„ and complex machinery, calculated entirely to'
debt& the public; and he should therefore give the
AMMON'S his hearty support; as he should also the
dame sestioned by his Hon. Friend, should that House
reject the Amendment.
Mr. T. WI )SON said he Lad approved of the ori-
ginal plan, and should therefore vote against the sowed-
anent.
Colonel DAVIES said the amendment went merely
to put the Sinking Fund in the situation of the present
annuitants, and he should therefore support the amend-
ment.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should decline going over arguments which he bad
I offered before, and which had received the sanction of
1 the Howe. The present plan, he contended, was not
at all inconsistent with the principles he had stated
ea a former occasion. He should oppose the amend-
asst.
Mr. RICARDO said, the Chancellor of the Excite-
jeer was about to bring in a clause, to be inserted in his
um Bill, authorising these Commissioners to deal with
eso smother.—(A laugh.)—The Right Honourable Gen-
tling* bad told the House he was not so goose a nes
er se pea, in office as to bring forward a moos*
WAR. weld not carry into effect. The resit sea.
rehol, however, failed in the first instance, and the
Has Gentleman was now put to his shifts. It
wee mot improbable that, after all, the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman would come down to the House, and honestly con-
feu that thefive millions of Sinking Fund was a delu-
sion, and that it was now reduced to three. He should
vote for the amendment.
The Margins of LONDONDERRY congratulated
the House on the two jokes they had beard; one from
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham), and
the other front the Hon. Member for Portarlington.—(A
langb.)—Nothing whatever in the shape of argament
bad bees offered in support of the amendment.—(Clieere
frees-the Opposition.)—Something was said about the
age of his Hon. Friend ; but it had not been shewn that
his proposal partook of either infancy or age. The dig
ference of expense to the public as to the second act of
Commissioners would he very trifling; and if, therefore,
nothing further were offered against it, be considered
the plan of his Right lion. Friend to be altogether un-
touched. The Amendment before the House went to
restrict their operations, and to force them to borrow
from the Sinking Fund; whereas it was the object of
the original Resolution to enable the contracting par-
ties to deal with whatever Stock they might think ad-
vantageous. The Annuity Stock might be what was
termed a heavy article on the market, and therefore it
was desirable that both aides should hare a certain dis-
cretionary power with regard to it, that the Trustees
and the Commissioners of the Sinking Fund might pos-
sess the full power of dealing freely with each other.
It was for that reason that it would be desirable that
the Amendment of the Hon. Member for Peoryn (Mr.
Grenfell) should be adopted. It was an error in the
Sinking Fund Act not to have given that power to the
Commissioners; and in adopting that Hun. Gentle-
man's Amendment, they would only be executing the
npirit of the original measure. The plan of his Right
Hon. Friend was to place all the parties in the best and
most advantageous state. It gave an additional pur-
chaser to the one, and an additional article to the other,
to go to market with. His Right Hon. Friend was
taunted with having brought forward a scheme upon
Wm expectations; he certainly had expected that if
that House should vote it, it would be accomplished, and
be bad also hoped to make it a national plan. When be
brought it forward he knew of one great Company at
(seat, the South Sea Company, that was willing to con-
tract, and he begged to say, that in whatever light that
Company might be regarded, it was not for want of
fends that it had failed in realizing the expectations of
his Right Hon. Friend. Money enough had been sub-
scribed, but other causes operated in inducing them to
,1 reject a participation in this Excepting, there-
-1 fore, that the congratulations of a former evening, bad
been turned into a few jokes on the preaew o•rusion, he
I had heard nothing that could induce him to accede to
the proposition of the lion. Member for Montrose (Mr.
Hume).—They were told that this was exactly the same
plan as was recommended to them to adopt by lion.
Members on the other side of the House, at the com-
mencement of the Sessions. ' All that be could say upon
that head was, that lie knew that this plan would in so
I way at the end of 45 years bate diminished the Sinking
Fund, whilst the recommendations they received from
the other side, were all in sobstance to make an open
attack upon that Fund. The only resemblance it could
be considered to bear to those considerations was, that
in the early Pitts certain loans would be raised. But
these wouttl affect the market, and nut the Sinking
Fund. It should be borne in mind by Hon. Onotlernen
opposite, in their speculations on this subject, that there
were in o live millions. There was one besides the Sinking
Fund, and, therefore, for the future, all their calcula-
tions, and all their jokes must be made upon the actnal
existence of ten millions available instead of five oitly.,
For the reasons he had stated be must vote against the'
amendment; and he contended that the plan of his Right
lion. Friend would realize all the expectations be had
founded upon it.
:CALCRAFT said be really could not understand
loble Lord's two live millions. He did not, bow-
, rise to gamut the Chancellor of the Exchequer for
the complexion and shape his plan at present bore, which
thought no gen/toss mind could do. Especially
;ht Hon. Gentlemen, on his side of the House to do
sinee'it was plain that in all he had done he was
wling In a steady but sure prog erosion to what they
pointed out at the beginniag of the Session. This
Ltd be found to be the end of the Noble Lord's two
millions, and therefore they ought to be the better

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pleased in proportion u they saw the Chancellor of the
Exchequer swerving from his original curse. It *as
not altogether fair to lay the failure of the tenuity
scheme to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The fate
was, that it was the Noble Lord himself who annotated
it with so much confidence to the House, that no one

could doubt that be bad the contractors all ready at his
back ; and the Chancellor of the Exchequer was °Mr
brought forward to announce the failure. The Noble
Lord said, it was not the utue as the recommendation

from that side of the Honor. end that no iniungement
of the Sinking Fowl was involved in this plan. For
his own part he must sty that be saw no difference be-
twixt applying 2,200.000/. to the redemption of whet it
was wished to get rill of, awl bringing into operation the
Sinking Fowl. In the morning they were to create a
st.wh, end in the evening. or perhaps the same hoar, to
reticent it Whatever ell.rt it might have on the Sink-
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ing Fund. be was satisfied of the effect it would herein
the way of diminishing the borthen of taxation. The
Richt ilon. Gentleman would not believe at the
of the Session, that the people would he happier and in
a better cnn'iition, by bring able to eat and drink a:al
wear their shoes at a cheaper rate. He nuu!d tied, him.
ever. to his disappointment, that they would he merit
happier. He must suppart the Ameudinent of his flue.
Friend the Member for Montrose.
Sir F. BLAKE observed that the Cheneellor wanted
to persuade theist that after subtracting two front tire,
five would still remain. laugh.) lie could out un-
derstand why the Chaaeellor of the Exchequer should
prefer his Hon complex machinery to that of the Hon.
Member for Montrose. By the former 7,2111art0& weight
be lost to the netion„ sod by the latter only 3,000,00 e/.
The House then divided—For the Amendment, It—
Against it, Sl—Majority for the original Resolution, tr,t„ '
Upon the Resolutions being read a second time,
Mr. 111351 E proposed as an .Amendruent, that &Com-
miseioners of the Sinking Fund should be aetherised
and required to advance to his Majesty's Tresury, oat
of the monies under their (mahout. the yearly SOU se.
cessary to make up tbeamouut required for the mutt
of the naval sod military pensions, when added to
2,8110,0001. for the first fifteen years; eml that for the
following thirty years the Lords of his Majesty's Trea-
sury be ordered to Wiwi.- an the FAcheapier the aunts us
stated in the tables of the annuities to the Commission.
era of the Sinking Fund.
The CHANCELLOR of the F.XCIIEQUER ad.!,
that all who bail heard the Him. Member's motion nom
premise that it was substantially the same as that upon
which the House had just coins to a decision. Ile did
not, therefore, think it necessary to make any observa-
lions npon it.
The question was then pnt and negatived without a
division.
On the Resolution for enabling the Trnstees to sell
any portion of the annuities being read a second tinii•,
Mr. 6RENFELL said, he thought that was the pra-
per time for hint to propose his amendment. The lion.
Gentlettlan then moved that the following amendment
be added to the Resolution : " That it shall be lawful
for the Commissioners for the Redemption of the Na-
done! Debt, if they think it expedient, to apply the sno-
nies under their controul to purchase part or the whole
of any portion of the annuities as the Traatem may find
it expedient to sell, or to purchase any other annalties
created by order of Parliament." He horet that when-
ever any portion of the annuities mightier for sale, the
Commissioners woeld he disposed to purchase.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
mean to oppose the Amendment, but begged to state
that in agreeing to it, it was to he maderstoml that the
Commissioners were to be left entirely to their own dis-
cretion.
The Resolution was then agreed to, so amended.
SALT TAX.
On the Resolution for the Royal of 13e. of the 151.
duty upon every bushel of salt,heing read a second time,
Sir J. SERRIGHT said be hyped the interval pro-
posed to elspie before the remission of this portion of
the tax, would be abridged, as the market, during that
period, would be glinted, whilst the ordinary activity of
enterprise would be checked in anticipating the arrival
of the period when the duty was to he taken off.
Mr. CURWEN thought it would be better to take off
the whole of the tax. Agriculture would then he bens-
fitted, the fisheries weuld thrive, and it would be taken
as a boon to the whole people. lint from the partial re-
lief proposed, none of these objects would be accom-
plished. The lion. Gentleman concluded by moving as
an amendment, that the whole of the tax upon salt be
repealed from, and after the sth October lan.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the Houselhadlresolved on &particular plan to he mildest
to remove a certain portion of taxation; and if they al-
tered any part of that plan they must break down the
whole system. If this amendment were adopted, they
must either rescind the resolutions they had come to re-
lative to the remission of certain nixes in order to make
room for it, or what, in his opinion, was infinitely worse.
they must refer to the Sinking Fuml.—(Cheers from the
Opposition benches.)—With respect to the particular
proposition before them, he believed that the remission
of 13s. out of 15s. would give the consumer as much be-
nefit as though the whole 15s. were taken off. There
would be so little remaining that for all practical put-
poses it would be imperceptible. The reduction in the
price of salt, from 17s. or ISs. to 4s. or ss. would operate
so beneficially that the remaining impost bringing in a
revenue of 300,0091. a year, would not be felt as a brie.
deo, whilst, by the amendment of 'he lion. Member, that
sum would be lost to the pnblie. The duty on the ar-
ticle of salt would then be less than it -raw in the tinteef
King William. and also less than it was at present in
France and in the Netherlands. The House could not
agree to adopt the amendment, whilst it continued firm
in a determination to preserve the public credit.
Mr. BROGOFTAM congratulated the boar et the
new light which bad broken in upon the Chancellor of
the Exchequer since the commencement of the Session.
He then could not see that art relief would be given by
a remission of taxation. He went further than the Nob,e
Marquess opposite, who chid the people for an ignorant
impatience for a relaxation of taxation. The Noble
Marquess dissented—then he supposed be had dreamed
that the Noble Marquess hail used such words, Lithongh
it was passing strange that with sod) t••if :muter col:eee-
tion, each a sentence should be so ge,o-tally 'unbend
as it was, and without foundation. However, the than.
cellor of the Exchequer went o:.e step further than eee
who should say that the people were clamorous frees an
ignorant impatience for a relaxation of taxation. This
was a specimen of the practice of all nostrum-Jester,
who went from one step to another, each outdoing tbe
last, till they arrived at absolute absurdity. So the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, from t:eclaring that MIIS.
sloe of taxes would do DO gikad, went on to say that it
might do harm. Now, however, he admitted that she
saute measure would confer great benefit on the people.
The Hon, and Learned tientlettin went on to contend.
that the retaining the 2s. duty on Asia was for the per-
pose of
Forleavintgheacloarli2eectipornoportihoen
.otif
oa tfroinmalgoie
!o the
Crown,
the salt tax in England, the expense was 35,0001.ana
for the collection of 100,0001. only, in Scotland, it was
21.110111. being out of all proportion, whirls should have
been as one to fifteen. It was for the House to consider
whether it was worth while to keep up all this machinery
for MAIM a-year of ?remote.
the
eThe
representationsM
Marquees of
of LONDONDERRY
the
Hon
it would be supposed that his Itight Honourable Friend
had preached the delight of laying or. taxes. 'Bat ha Pa
. amt Learned said,ne titehnattlinn fterao.

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it absolutely necessary that we Mv.l
A mode of conducting our the No
least objection to toe keeping ever, vi
provided be could be assured theme
'hold of by the Chancellor of be the
ight Hon. Heat, had already ought
Ilion' of annual income from so, tin
d since assured the Hp that crawlii
violating the Sinking Fund if had pc
I not blame the Right Hon. would
the Sinking Fund, bat be five tui