The Statesman.
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THE STA'

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Monday next, he should propose the day which he dressed
proper for the secose.l reading of the Hill; that course
he still meant should be pursued, anti be trusted a full
at;entlance would take place. He repeated, that on
Mender next hr sentild propose a day fur the second.
reading of the Bill in tptestion, and moved that for that
day the Lords should be .
Lora iiULLAN 11 said, the Noble Earl opposite had pro-
posed to postpone the further consideration of this pith-
wet. The Queen. by her Counsel, had prayed at their
Bar, that the trial might proceed with all possible
speed; and he now, 'mkr such eirennostances, called
upon Ministers fur the sake of their own character. for
the sake of her Majesty, and fur the sake of the coon- I
try, to suffer no tinuereseary delay to interpose in toppo-
siiian to the wishes of her Nlajesty. When the Noble
Earl talked of Hills of this description, he wished to
know what was his meaning. lie wished to know to what
description of Bills this was held to belong ? Was it a
Hill of Divorce, or one of Pains and Penalties If the
Noble F.arl wished to regulate his conduct by precejeno,
hr must look to former Bills, anti to the manner in
which they had been bronchi in. If he did this, be
would find that all delay after a Bill hail been ltrotaht
in. was unusual. Theft appeared to be some foundation
for our of the reasons urged by the Noble Earl for the
delay intended to he proposed. If prore...led with im-
mediately, they could not have the benefit of the assist-
ance of the J 'laze* of the land, which was. t anxiously
to be wished for on this :oniony important occasion.
This was the only 'rood reason that he had heard sug-
gested for the course intended to he parental. It, how-
ever, appeared to hint, that when they were about to in-
stitute a punishment not sanctioned by any existing
law. they ought at least to give the accused eyrty advan-
tage that could consistently he afforded. Ile called upon
the Noble Lonl to say what he meant by " necessary
arrangements ?" Did he mean to say that time was
wanted to enable Ministers to bring forward further
itnesses ? Was it to be understood, that the evidence
which had been laid before the Select t' 000000 'titter was not
now thought sufficient to bear out the case—that it was
not sufficient to carry them through the inquiry: If it
was intended to bring forward additional evidence. this
ought to be so stated by Ministers. Unless this were
the ease, he could not see why they should wish for fur-
ther delay. 31inisters bail been in the possession of
the evidence laid before the Secret Committee for more
than a year. and if this were deemed sufficient, he could
not see why they should not be able to proceed, when
such was the wish of the accused, to try the merits of
the question without delay, instead of asking as they
now did for time to make further preparations.

that had.excited snob general interest was pending,
fiat an . attempt on the part of \Buisler, to captivate
by gaudy pageantry would provoke resentment, and
.bring down kapott them general execration. It would
not be well that they. should place the King in a situ-
ation of pomp anti parade. while his Consort, the sub-
ject of an awful inquiry, awaited the judgment to be
pronotauced on her case. Ile hoped that a different
course wri4lll Iw pursued, and that lie should nut have
the necessity of brineing this subject again before the
House; and that the King, if still ealvised to urge his
Coronation at this time, would consult the wishes of
the people by departing from such fatal councils.
Earl titary hoped that what had first faJleu from his
Noble Friend would be attended to by Ministers.
He was persuaded, that expressing the painful feelings
he had on the subject. his Noble Friend but expressed
the opinion of every feeling man in that House and
the country. Ile thought the Noble Earl ought to
have been prepared to state the course meant to be
pursued. and he did not think tlutt it would' be too
1111101 to urge the Noble Earl to state distinctly what
were his views even that night, when lie called for de-
lay ; at all events, by the next alsy, be ought to be
ready to enter into an explanation. The dispositions
and arrangements to whit.:l he has! alluded, could only
depend on one of three things—the time required fur ,
producing witnesses to support the Bill—ehe steps
access try to ensore so full an attendance in that
House as the importance of the case demanded at this
period of the year---sand the arrangements necessary to
securing the presence of the Judges to assist with
their judicial advice, without which it would not be
safe fw them to proceed. Now, he would ask, which j
of these circumstances could Le pointed out which had
not been long, or which might not have been lung
tinder the consideration of the tioverninent, and on
which they ought not to have been prepared to
come to a decision at once. With respect to the
witnesses, as their testimony had been in the hands of!
his Majesty's Ministers fur the last tart-Ise months,!
he st suppose that they were all ready to come
forward whenever they were wanted. With r:.spect
to the attendance in that House, it was certaitilv of
import:titre that a full attendance through the long
and important inquiry about to be instituted should
be Secured; and this might be a matter of some dim-
enter at this advanced period of the year. But the;
difficulty anal inconvenience of attending the lionse,
their Lordships, he was satisfit:al, would feel as nothing
when pet in comparison with the discharge of their
duty ; and on this point the Noble Earl and his Col-
!reeves aught already to have come to a decision. For
tile Judeee, the arrangements fur the eirenits having
alreidy been made, it seemed almo.st impoisible that
the House could have their assistance if the inquiry,
were brought on -immediately. He then natced the
periods at which the Judges were to be at various parts
of the country, and sheaved that, without interfering
with• the whole course of the administration of justice,
it was impossible to procure the attendance of the
Judges at this period of the year. This, he thought,
an additional reason why the Noble Earl should be
called on to-morrow, to state what were the circum-
stances under which it was intended to prosecute the
inquiry, and the time and mode of proceeding. He
hoped the Noble Earl would be prepared to state his
reasons on the following day instead of on Monday.
He could not think it possible for him to be unpre-
pared to do so, though it might be inconvenient, sad
he therefore called upon him to make his statement to-
morrow, instead of on Monday, that the House and
the seaward party might, without delay, be pat in pos-
session of the manner in which it was determined to
proceed. Feeling that It was of importance that this
information should be given without loss of time, he
%humid move, as an amendment, that their Lordships
be summuned for to-morrow.

The Earl of lavearitob said, the Bill now before
their Lordships was a Bill of Pains and Penalties, and
wholly different from a euinniun Divorce Bill. The
same deliberation was nut necessary in a co kkkkk ton Di-
, vurce %there an individual prayed for relief, as iu
a case like the present, where the fate of the Queen of
England was to be decided, and where the course of
proceedings so deeply affected the honour of the 'rown,
and the moral interest' of the country. This was not
the ease of an individual, lint a State measure, brought
forward for the reErf of a nation. To him it did nut
appear that it on,:ht to excite surprise when it was
proposed to defer till Monday finit:g the second read-
ing of the Bill. It was to be remembered that her
Majesty's Counsel, who had that night prayed that
the trial might proceed with all possible expedition,'
had, the last time they appeared at their Lordships'
liar, desired that a delay of ten weeks might be al-
lowed to enable her Majesty to prepare fur bee de-
knee. lie begged that he might nut be understood
to speak in any way disrespectfully of the Lear.e4
Counsel who hail advised this course. 'I hey might be
justified in calling for delay ust the former occasion,
and yet have very good reasons fur pra)ing now that
the trial might he prweeded with i diately. On
Monday it would be fur their Lordships to consider
whether they would prosecute the inquiry forthwith,
or whether some (nether delay should take place. The
importance of securing a full attendance on this oc-
casion, and of ascertaining when the Judges could he
present, must be felt by every one: and these consi-
derations, after hearing her Majesty's Counsel at their
Bar that night, would, he thought; make the House
feel that it would be right to take till Monday to ik-
termitic on the way iu which it would be most de-1
sirable to proceed.

',The Earl of Livearoot. had no particular objection
to to-morrow being named, but being persuaded, that
whether the business were brought on as rapidly as
the Queen's Counsel had desired that it should come
on, or was put off till the Judges should return from
the 4.ltcalts, whatever decision might be come to, the
period at which the inquiry might commence would
not be at all affected by the question, whether the I te-
ckiun should he taken to-morrow or on Monday. He
therefeer could see no reason why the House should
nut hare till Monday to determine on the coarse, which,
under all the circumstances, it might be most advisable

The ilarquis of LotstiowN, though not prepared to
say that the trial might to go on immediately, was of
opinion that twenty-four bouts ought not to pass be-
fore Ministers cattle to a decision whether they would.
proceed to the trial forthwith or not. He wished them
to consider whether the ends of justice would be pro-
moted by the course now suggested ; and, if nut pro-,
slotted, whether it would nut be detrimental to them
to interpose four days of unnecessary delay ? Having,
hitherto had the good fortune to prevail on their Lord-
ships to agree with them in all they had proposed, he
thought the Noble Earl, who now stood in the situation ... else Hons. '
of a public accuser. anal his colleagues, ought not to re- _-.,nun when 0-
quire four•and-twenty hours to determine whether they ...ii should take ••'-
'would proceed with the inquiry immediately, or whe- I lion onelkt •
tber a more tardy course would be preferable. Tarr .
ought not to hesitate in deciding how this greet and
portant business should be proceeded with one
guy toiler than was necessary, and he therefore
prayed the Noble Earl to consider if he could
stet be prepared to-morrow to state what his view
bl.the Inbject might be. Thejr Lordships, not being 1
is possession of all the circumstances of the caee,,could•
NS decide--but the Noble Karl, being in pontos-
jihss of them, could--whether it would be right totem-'
ply with the wishes of the Illustrious though accused
iforsosage who was the subject of these proceedings.
;or whether a contrary course was to be preferred. A
*lay of four days might materially interfere with the
aOlssulance of the Judges. Hy Monday many, or all
a them, would be departing to perform those duties
which usually devolved upon them at. this period of
the year. Under these circumstances he called upon
the Noble Lord to say whether he would defer rousing
is a decision on the point in question till Monday.
The gad of CARNARVON put it to their Lordship.
.what must be the feelings of the (wintry, if, after the
steps which had been already taken, it should he ems-
skirted aesseussry for them to separate before they
could determine what further should be dose? Mi-
nisters ought to be prepared to state what course It
l was their loteation to take, and they ought to have no
private motives fur postponing their decision os the
part they were now to act. Hut there was owe baud-
,pest now in preparation, which be thought might not The ~.stee balloted tor a Voiumitiee to try the me.
,Ise' improperlypostptmeti. He hoped it would not be jthud the Petkiin "plait tbe return for the &wen
aerposed4 that the public were not to lost amused by •of Aberdeen. ' .
ikleallidssi *ad led from the consideration of this XlseJ. • Matiltllllllllll saitty. sow talsapiwehesaiellS
ipeolee Arno like boos to a poppet-ahow. Ne hoped. having Joao gonad at to thq wetke be gave yesterday.
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to pursue.
Earl Harr said, it might as well be derided to-
morrow as Monday.
The Earl of I)aa:4l.er wished the House to proceed
.to-sorrow to determine when the second reading of ,
the Hill should take place. lie thou4ht the Corona-
tion 4owlit to be postponed, and was sorry the Noble
Lord on the Woolsack had not livened to what had
fallen trans his Noble Friend ou the sohjectt
The loan CUANCELLOR begged the Noble Earl's
pardon, hut assured him that he had heard every word
that hod been uttered on that point.—(A laugh.)
the Earl of DANNLIT proceeded to state that the •
general impression out of doors was, that the Queen
would tome out of the limitary libineilt. With this
iuspressioll he put it to Ministers, what would be the
.fed Hogs of the people when they saw• their Sovereign
crowned alone. entertaining the opinion that his Iloral
Corson ought to be crowned with him. He hoped
his Noble Friend would not And it necessary to make
a specific motion on this subject ; but he earnestly im-
plored the tiovernasent to consider of it, and to advise
their Sovereign not to persevere in what were under-
stood to be his present inteations, as doing so might
possibly lead to results to which be would not wore
distinctly allude.
• After a few words from Lord BRLOAraN and Earl
duty, who declared it to be his intention to press his
amessimmat, the Hesse then divided—

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reefing it. He had by no means 1 the iitit
tension of emancipating suddenly and imusediatrlr d
slaves; such • measure would be fraught
vritkna
chief, even to the slaves themselves. His object nub--
move an Address to his Majesty, praying that the to,
lonial Legislatures should be directed to recoaside,no
laws on this subject.
Mr. CARTWRIGHT lmnlrlit in a Bill to regular
mode of removing Irish paupers from England
land. He should now propose to read the Bill ne,,,
and let it lie over till nest Session.
Mr. Honuousa said, he held in his hand a ph%
on that important subjeet—Perliamentary Mom
was not signed by many individuals; indeed, nail
signed but by one only. namely, Mr. John Carter*
The House itself was highly interested and 4044
concerned in this question. Various Acts of Nib
metal had been passed to prevent the interfereared
Peers in the election of Members of the House oft*,
mons ; and at the eeeeee encement of every &wash
House passed a resolution, declaring such latch
a high breach of privilege ; notwithstanding e`„l
precautions, it appeared that there were at pre*"
less than 95 Peers who posers/led boroughs, or beeno
influence, and by whose interest 196 Members!"
returned to the House of Commons. Such oilstone
the statemeut contained in the petition. If thstaw
meat was true, he entreated the House to iateekkik
put an end to such a system, or to abandon the nedali
of passing such a resolution as that whick .
appeared on their Journals.—The petition NBA.
read, and ordered to he printed.
SOUTH AMERICA.--Sir R. Witsom, seeing I
Noble Lord in his place, wished to ask whetheriten
true that an authorised communication had heel mei
to his Majesty's Uovernment front the French limns.
went, not only acknowledging the neutrality of Sena
America, but also for placing a Prince of the Wig
of Bourbon on the throne of that country. Thisese
a question so nearly coneerning our interests is Irma
mercial and other points of view, that he hoped tie
Noble Lord would now be prepared with an anew
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, in the present state din
communication on this subject he mot decline seem
ing the question.
THE. QUEEN.—Mr. HOWARTH appeared at the
Bar, and presented the Report of the Committee ap.
pointed to search the Lords' Journals, to see wilt
proceedings had been adopted by their Lord*
House respeming the Queen.

The Report was read, and detailed the pros:fah"
of Tuesday and Wednesday evening, relative to In
Majesty.
Lord CASTLEREAGH then, pursuant to his wired
last night, rose to explain the course he was attain
pursue on,this subject, when
Mr. Tteuxer objected to the Noble Lord's takisi
this notice out of its turn. The Noble Lord's ha
notice related to the Queen's answer, and wan, is
regular order, be taken first, otherwise his Hon. Flint,
Sir li. Fcrguson's notice, would have precedences the
motion which the Noble Lord was now going into.
Lord CSSTLEREAGH submitted, that he had a edit
to bring forward this motion under the general allot
regarding the Queen's answer, and in conseqnsftif
the explanation he gave last eight ; and appethitt
the Chair.
After some farther conversation between theSteade
Mr. CANNING, Mr. Therese, and Mr. Animation&
Lord UASTLIIRIAGII declared his readiness to Ow
way, and postponed his motion till to-marten.
Lord J. Russeu. then postponed his mike, se tht
subject of Sir M. Lopez's imprisonment, nail Tuesday.
MILAN COMMISSION.—Sir It. Felielftell reel,
in pursuance of notice, to bring under the Somdittlb
Lion of the House the subject of the Milan Celued•MOß
and in doing so, be assured the House that .Wig
but a strong sense of duty could induce him to swe
come his Reluctance to undertake the task. Nib ill•
pugisanee was increased by the consciousness of Wie
ability to do justice to a subject so very importastim
every point of view, and pregnant with such writes
consequences to the Uovernocut of the country. tit
Ministers pursised • different course from that midi
they had selected, these dicrussions, so unhappy•
every account, would never have taken place. Ild
they not sanctioned the omission of her Majesty's
name from the Liturgy, all would have been hashed
But they adopted a different conduct, fatally fie Is
tranquility of the country. Bleu after they had ad
wised this unjust measure, it was in their pew
still to recal their acts, Rind rem:mead is
restoration of her name to the public pure
This omission so one attempted to justify stid
the exception of a Right Honourable Widnes
opposite (Mr. Canning) who had said, that the eldo
drawing her Majesty s name from the Liturgy no 1
part of a system which it had bees thonght ropey
adopt with respect to bcr Majesty. 'fbe Nelda fiel
(Castlereagh) had said, that unless her MOST lis
come to Englassi, -se proceediop woad As* Mw
thought of against hen—se that in fact, her ails WI
the settler her feet ha li/6 lied. The moment be OP
jesty had committed this crime, the terms Beg. IA
odious charges., ran brestot doss sasi•-loid es
But the theirs of die ammo were se decisivartur:
the entertalidag 'of IS contests. that It was
pedient to abasdes the proposition for taking it MlAs'
sideration. Is eoesegnesce of this hostility.- did t•
Lord, to sae as expreesioe of his owe, w gerunds
upon himself," and said of his own mottos that.
derogatory to the dignity of the Crowns, and Whim°
the best interests of the countrv. However, it ma IP
sonable that the public should fie made elh
the source whence the decontrols werea:=l.=
which the Alarm agaiast her Malestv wen
He (Sir It. V.)-should therefore state to the Wow
which perhaps was knob to many by maw. he
he had mess to belle,. was totaled is
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with tooset to. the . lie
that the credit of Ifiis invention was not due et lg.
tors, but to a prrodssoso holding a high Acid
in the coantry ; is short, to throw aws tall
delicacy apes the gabled, the VieseL MOll '
individsal,wiso lest proposed the CosioniGish•
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happy to he set tight, At ell anti% kW, lige
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