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tie.. lint ail initiative tue:.•aate. direct act. In his
110• this was an insal;ileielt reu•on. It was no ar-
•I:I 'lst against the atrun:, arruseal. deeply
... • I led sis >Ur st.an I in her clia: after, snd Ver-
t • life. I nder :hese ail eat..!•tatiers Jar stated that
he had Welt lay anatt..r• tip nr•ze, u hiela she considered

. rt rial to her future &foss e tint the House shonld
s. fin the present state wilts roceesUngs. l'onsider-
i• he Lharacter of the case, and the star of the pub-
i. their Lordships could not act well. if they
• s-.. si ton nicely upon forms: mid where there was us,
Fre eslent to guide them, yet refused to hear. Fur this
Itio! Leen repeatedly stated by the Noble Earl opposite
tis le a C I.* without preces;cist or land-mark, and it
tr.-% therefore one in which the House ought not to be
ad strictly Ity techniral rules. It was the part of
tile Mouse to do that substantial justice which would
s:aose their measured to ram ahing with them the pub-
lic opinion. They nimbi not do well if, in a case an
149 of ilitSrultv and ft111111174.s111!•10, and one also with-
out precedent or antilop:l-, they refused to take int-
im diately into elittsides atiuss the weighty matters t% hick
acroJetlpirty th.mght impor ant to her future de-
fettee. •

The Loa:. sNI : :.1./13 observed, that it was a
subject on which lip e to trouble their Lord.
sales at :ivy length. Ile had heard r great deal said
against Secret Committees, Ile would nut say is.%e
Hord upon that point further than to state, that if it
was stecesrary to go through the whole of the pro.'
reeiliw.:s again, lie would think it right that the very
gji:lr measures al Id Ile resorted to as hail been al-
e adopted. for the proposition now submitted
the House, he considered it oothing short of calling
on their Lordships. to surrender their privileges. No
oar could know what passed there, but in a constitu.
tlf-nal way ; and lie wished to be informed if there was
any rase in the n hole history of Parliament, in which
tottissi:l had been beard against a Bill not proposed.
There was no such case, and their Lordships ought not
sits nu art that would amount to the surrender of
their piivilegei, senctioneil by inistons and immemorial,
usage. As to prejo Igininst of the case, the proceedings
of the House did not do that. Ile woolil, as a Peer,;
he astimstra of himself, if be did not o. what 'be,
isisanee.lliaryutan in the rummy could sin—lli•eliar„fe'
trots his Demi a previoni impvession : it happei.e.l
.esoiry day. Ile would put a case. Snppose a ulati,
cliarxeil with a crime, made a full confession, and was
aftertrbrds received as it itness fur the Crowni but did
no. rive that full and le:nk retargee which was the
rru li:ion on which be was admitted, and oas after-
".areas pot on his trial, but would not then confess his
;.•:711: in :hat rase the Jnry would know Low to dis•
e:karge friva their minds all pr:•sions isisprissions, and
the man could not be found guilty unless there tins
s•l'fie:ent evidence offered on the trial to prove his ha-
t, er cotife•sion. The House ; tl'i)ll.t. 110 t lie consnlting
the _rent functions it lira to perform. if it
1111:Arol Connael t. percent the introthice of a Bill of
▪ I4och noth:nr yet was I.nown. It is as one of the mot
estioorilinaly prop.•••tions be hail et er heard, ansi
not he aequ;i•o•e•l in if the liaise eimsultell its I
date and its privileges.
: fr. .11.0..11is of Ltrcsoottx observed, that be had
a'i alers,f felt the emirse whirls the Howie hail adopted
::• ivtle that brofis,lit with it great and signal eniln.r.
; and it' hr felt that strongly on forms r OlTA-
:lon,..lfter what had fallen f-out the Noble and Learsieti
Lord, he felt it much more strongly now. Every %lord
which he had spoken against the proposition made on
Lelia/f of the Queen. applied much more strongly to
tl.e rourse of proceeding's which the House had been
i .incea to adopt. The Noble and Learned Lord
es, cod noxious that tte regular proceedings of the
oust 11 Id not he intercepted, but these ptuteeilings
I ad, I.n the motion of Ministers themselves, islet with
✓ fleate.l interraptians before. When the Noble Earl
s that the Queen had no regular means of being
it ..rued of the nature of the Report which the Com-
e ;•i• e had presented, he forgot to state he had ae-
i,t..tat tai in a similar request before. Yet the Queen
means of information then, which she was not
hew poss. aced of. In her petition on that occasion, she'
stated, that " having been infor:ord certain proceed.
1%.s were about to be instituted, she felt it necessary
• pr.•aent a yetition." Why dill net the Noble Earl ,
I:4en loquire what was her soiree of information ? Ile'
ha.l out dote so then ; and he had given no good rea-
:3l %thy lie should do so now. But the Noble and
Lord hail mis-stated the application of the
Cerro. when he said that it was to he heard against a
Bill before that Bill was presented. But what the
I,e itiun stated was not that she was desirous of being
1. -oril by 'oensel against any Bill, beta Report being
1,-..stated whirls re.:oi 1111 l ended proceedings against her,
s'.• wished to be heard by Counsel at their Bar, that
!Ole might defend herself a•zainst the allegations in that
iter.ort : and also that she boil weighty matters to
material to the conduct of her Wore defence.
It- (the Marquis of Lantolowil) WAS totally ignorant of
s hit these matters were which she had to urge, yet
be would admit that it was possible they might be of
-11:h a nature as to cause their Lordships to alter their
senile of proceeding. As to the arovnients of rules
..cd precedent, it was not applicable here; for on this
0e...5.d0n, the House bad broke through all rule, and
1)1.1 made out a time beyond all rule, and without pee-
r • lent and example. Ile concluded by entreating their
loirdseips to allow the party accused every means of
meeting the art:ow:ion cowlisinsd in the Report, and to
11, yr their proceedings so as to answer the great ends
Js Inutile.,
Lord Renesnsie said, that the chief argument
old. b he hail heard fur receiving the Queen's propo-
in amounted to this, that the House hail thine

wr •ti hefohe in acceding to a s' Aar request, and
•:w• uotrht t do wrong again. Ile repeated the ar-
gutnent that her petition was not against ant• measure
w deb hail been taken by the House, tint was intended
t•o oppose some measure Aunt to be taken, and said,l
t!.:it if t•ounsel wire admitted on such a proposition to
rt. o bar, there could be no restraint upon them, they
tt:.,rb; talk on any thing or every thing they pleased,'
by the terms of the petition, there was no particu-
l!r subject or limitation.
Lord Nto rewarkeoLthat the N.d'ie and Learned
J• rd seemed to mistinderatand the prayer of the pe•
to.i on. It had tno olististet.objeuts, one of u i.;clo was,
t r he heard against the allegations in the Report, and
tl • office to coomottnicate certain weighty matters
v. Leh 'might he of importance to her future defence.

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i••••••••aim, Maiisiiiiii.‘ll•••••••••=v.......
. ID/rie f I
11111. 1/1/ illaillt that ii worth! pat the Hotta, in an extra- 1 but ai it
.woulli be Iles:y.lldr fir the-:1; ja,-, stiles to
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nary si alien; bet the House Had !men put its in I skiiti'iti Order trilenew the ;ten itetents of the illustrious
...narypi:tuition by the proceedings whirl' led 1 individnal, he sheet*: MI Friday or 3'eortlay twat lin
to it : now. in.lcrel, there was a ferret deal of talk , *troll I IP slay when the ?!ill was to be read a se: and
about forms; hot IVA.; this a rase in which. airier ! timely, an I further procreellnes taken upon it. lie as-
breaking through all regularity, all analogy of pre- 1 eared their hued-hips that he should do Is..s ntestost en-
ceeding, could now anon them to entries!) themselves dravour to discharge this painful duty, with all
in tee ii nit al niceties, a erl look cantiously about thr the lenity and indulgence that was due e. the Mus-
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preeedente? It was nip eirg illin.lit: in a ram' like this, trions individual. it must, indeed, he a matter of
to talk of tier impossibility of the proceedings of the 1 great satisfaction Its know, that Cr.. upwards of 2114)
House being known to her 51ajesiy. It would be a rears ma nee, fully bail awcurred foraelopting a proceed-
waste of words to dwell upon. He was as much ing of this kited, with the excepti ssss of out individual
attached to forms as any mail : beet in a rase like this, —the consort of one of our Kings, who never cams• to
forms were of uu eueeseepeetece u bitterer. 't her Noble this enneetry. And this satisfaction must be increase•l
Lord then proceeded to show, that the Y cry measure when they recollected the bright example exhi-
which the Coentativer rec 0000 mended took the ea"' out ' hited to the I wintry. by our iuilividnal who had
of all the ordinary course of proceeding, and made the geared tt.e Tler..ne of England for so many years.
Mousy institute a criminal 1 rocretling, contrary to all --(Hear, hear!)—Their Lordships were placed in a
precedent. In on . iiotanee, indeed, a criminal charge situation ill Wiliell deer had no alternative but telic :
had be-en kid on the table by Lord Worcester : but it Ivey had 11111%. nor straight forward course to pursue :
was declared ille!xal and tincsenstitutional, and he was and that was, tie sic, their chitty in spite sit publie clamour.
obliged In oit helra se it. 'I Isis, he conteuelesl, .was His Lordship then laid before the House a copy of the
thee rfore a case unesampleil and anomalous. He then ;Bill.
Mi./le:ea the 11.3416 pelt ley the Lord Chancellor, respect- 'I he Clerk read tho Bill, in substance as follows:
jog the c. i:•eit. XI, amt showed that it was not a case **An Art, etstith•et an Ici for depriving corollate. tyierlia
in point, mis it was u sullirient cause of chilleuge to a Eliaalleill, Wee., of (.real Britain, of and front the e.t) le stud
Jut or if he 11::d !mete on the lirait I fit •y• that funnel title of yUeill a l!ieNt. iteilms. and of and from the rights,
praroydatty es, and. immunities non belonging to her as Queen
the bill. lie then renearkeel upon the nature of the consiert.
evidence on wLiel, the Report was founded, and which "11 berms, in the sear 1814, her Majesty ('t4lllle iine-
was not e;ese e • .-.^ evidence, like that which %timid I hai 11.:ai7datob.teili,n thaetiliPl:rriltlio'io•SriS ofof 111;rliarns:
elm! nosydi le;itiefteeen •:.4te.or-f
justify a Wand Jury in finding a hill, but `merely r'ir:r. mile itarthean ~ Bergamo. or I:l:!rthol".2marr Biergatuo. a
eke •ntary. ile concluded by proviug Crow the tea- i ford': .r of lon sithaticn in life. And afterwards the must
'are of Bills of Pains and Penalties, that ten proceed- I unbecoming and indecent fansiiierirs took piace between her
logs held 0p.., the,.w c.. 1.1 Ease the force of prece .tent
in urelioary rases: because, be'teg in themselves highly Ittl?1 in,!iesil•stigehatorat oanalya'al dliviesealeari'll Intiammtio'Vdth'airli;siand
tuatihotnr Italie':
Ito:se-hold, tend ree:eeyeel also mans of his relatives into her
anomalous, they iv •re t:. he treated according to the service he inferior and other situatimis, and bestowed on
him the said liartho:ottlen various marks of distinction and
exigencies au it hi .le tiler arose ; sn that 'llib reason
drawn front rules and forms c01d.% in this ei.sr, appre it.aissekeee.rsi.,ninoehlotvodolh upon11.11.7;:e::
dr :.1d) ICI,
omfientsgotin. hima n Ill)trrsillelrreler
of
a-
au arvintent to preveut the e. oncurreoce of the House Knighthood. %A ithoct ti-e 5..1!-, rib of ,)our Majesty, end
in the pra yr of tier petitioa. conducted Iter-eic both in Fr Li:t. p. 1.1 in private, in yariuns
places, a itit huh-cent anti oiler... Ale fantiiinei!ies and free-
The Marlui* of Ift:caistil:A3l eeles..rreel, that the
Coe ~,,, dime had. already mullein report, and the !louse dhl"mmaldorsgurnaielefttitle, I;ersiltstit2=marleiwilttariowaiseninitrvireccio°4-rlsewitioh
was tt of walled un to hear Counsel ; but it hats-yen pro- j the great seedulal of Your Majesty's Rayed Family, send to
reviling the Liitt.e Awe to adopt in that respect, ii the dishonour of the kingdom, antt natiailest“d I, must sean-
wonla ,„,t pre,,,, their Lur,,,hips ~,,,,, Lpiori.ag is a dra.:;;liii:).l4::,ilsct.:ll. C7tlttet, 111,11111er:IceolrOeleS
tconducti.e
i nto 14:t14i, theri saidd
Bill Ile did not see the necessity el hearing' Counsel, Temporal and l'ootenoree of Urea* t Ifritain he Parliament as-
and t!serefore he should yppose the motion. %mottled. homily pray you r :Majesty. 111111 it eta) be enneted,
Carl DattNIAY was itt favoeir of the motion, which i nod i.e it Ilw,rfore voarts-d. titer from and alter the passing
he em arrived Heir lo.liships were hound, to accede to, doefil,ll:iiiielet„.l-t!nien and afi rd. :a. i r
thel' II:
:.1 el andtle" a
title L s"10 tt ! I.rt
ii
Queen.e of" 143
thesei l Y
%%hell they eaft!4(:••red that the eyes of the why& coon- remeim•. sod of said (root The iizlits, prrtugativvs.iwivilrges.
try were fixed with ye:tem:ordinary jeabmey on their d spiel Inemuniiies now belottaing to her as Queen Consort. and
that site sing' awl neat 1:r. trues anti alter the passinec or
proreidittge. Ile hie •n- theihing of the case tours' than
, this Art. fur user displaced from, and be twerey 'lscapelite
any other iudiliereut per ant ; but he thought that of, rerrel-ing or imi,,,iox 5h„.„,,, and that 11w said Mar. ,
every ally-an:age ought tie be mellowed to the ilinstrious singe bete% een his Majesty the Ivi.ur and tits. Qeeen he. and
pennon in que•stion, in the. +lilt:114111 ill Militia She now the STlllit• is herebr •vtoil disuo.ve3 and annul:ed. to all io-
stood. tents anal purposes.-
e Tile Earl of Live :runt, then unwed, tint the Hill
litext: etwittindrel, that the prayer of the !tell- ,
be printed, and th :1 a ellily sit it he elelivrre dtu h• r
lion ought to be eonephr.! et ills, and that Counsel Ile
a .Ittorts..y-tieneral.
exiled in, as it was neeessart that her 11eljesty should! P 31lair"Y
Earl tinter sal .- ie.• rose f:r the Air se of &nth'
be allowed ail I.ees,ilele no•at:s of defentlieig herself Le .! ' I Im i' ,
ent the neeessity ot hat jug. the Pill drawee out in such
ue,diately. Ile thcrefr,re proposed that the fe:ottesel
; form, and of pt:-eiel„;• such a curare, as trutoll ripth!r
should be called in. i , ,
• ' the Quern to twilit' eve ry netTp•sary prepti!•ation for her
The questi.4 was then pest, and uegatived without I defence. lee ete'ry case of a Bill of Indietenriet being
a tli.isi.set. . I preferred leoloemasAirated Jail., the time and place. at
LW. OF PAINS .iND PEN.I ITIES.
~ ! which the crime laid in the inelictment ivies alleged to

The Earl of LivaPt root now ease fur the purpose of
p.a.s.ntiug the Bill, of it hint moire had been given
on the preceding dad. lle said he abould have bees
happy to be spared the labour of this moat painful
proceeding, but the necessity of the case imperiously
called for it. The preamble of the Bill would suth-
cieutly explain its nature ; it oloild speak foe itself :
and therefore aurae him 1;1e trouble of making any fur-
th..r explanation on t lie subjer; and the witnesses who
should hereafter be walled to their Lordship's bar would
pilot• all the allegations stated in the preamble. It
would make him very unhappy if he supposed that this
business was likeiy to create any agitation in the pub-
lic mind ; but lie did mit think that any such effect
was likely to he produced. Ile should lIIIIV say, that
on the best reconsideration he could give this subject,
lie did not know of a!ty other eourie of proceeding
that ought to be adopted in preterenre to that which
he hioistatcl at the outset of this business. I.e had
slated, that notlijx like an impeachment could take
place, and in this he was supported by the opinion of
his N..ble and Learned Friend, and by the opinion of
another Noble and Learned Lord (Erskine), who had
tilled the highest judicial situation is the kingdom.
Hr submitted therefore to the House, whether in case
of any doubt existing on this subject, the most proper
molewould nut be to bring ins Bill of Pains and Penalties.
There could he no proceeding according to the Keck-
idastical Law, and this was the only course that could
be pursued. lie h. el already stated, that it was com-
petent to either House of Parliament to originate a
proceeding of this kind : but it would be more conve-
nient that the business should commence in that House,
because Corm was a greater chance of substantial jus-
tice being obtained in that, than in the other I!nuse of
Parliament ; and the only question was, whether the
Bill should be brought iii, in the 'first instance. No
Legislative measure, however, of this kind, was ever
adopted without previous inquiry of some kind or other,
for it ought not to he rereived on the ipee disit of the
Minister of the day : and therefore au opportunity
should be afforded of obtaining every necessary informa-
tion oil the subject. I le should now state what the nature
of the present measure was. The preamble of the Bill
laid down certain farts, and if those facts could be
proved, the enactment would go to deprive her Majesty
of all her rights, prerogatives, privileges, and immuni-
ties, and of her style and title of Queen of this realm;
and would also dissolve the marriage between his Ma-
jesty and the Queen. 1 his was to be the object of
the Bill he was now shout to present to their Lord-
ships. With regard to the provision %bleb it might
hr nreessary to make for the illustrious individual, that
was a subject which slornl/1 more properly come under
the consideration of the other Hone of Parliament.
lie trusted that on this solemn tweasion, their Lord-
ships wonid impartially discharge their duty, as they
had all their other duties, and have no other object in
view except that of promoting the ends of justice ac-
cording to the laws and coostitntion of the country.
With regard to the rimrse of proceeding that was so
be adopted', lie should propose that the Bill be read a
first time that di.y, awl that a copy of it he transmitted
to the Musts ions individual; and that a day should
then be tilted for the second reading of the Bill. Ac-
cording to the usual course, that day fortnight would
be the troper day for reading the Bill a seam'. time;

he cos iiiii ittcd, was specifically mentioned therein. But
curb was not the ease in the pre -cut Itil : the Queen
was merrlr stated to have procee !e.l in a course of
criminality ; lint the legal eescription of that criei-
militv sca.. 0.4 acrurittely 00 as to enable her
Majesty to primer for her &recce. lie therefore
sti.:lstol that the Still might he cliirrrylitly worn!..,). lie
also wished that the Quern ;night 1.. e lotriais!led with a
list of the witnesses who were in•emleil to he bronglit
forward to give evidence against her. lie therefore
wished to know whether such a list was to be furn4h-
ed, and whether there was ever to lie a snore accurate
specification of the offences unwired to*the Queen.
he Earl of I.ormirool. said, lie believed the Bill
was as. perfect with regard to the specification of the
offence, as any proceeding of tip kind could be. And
with regard to delivering a list of the witnesses to bet
31ajr‘ty : such a thing was wholly unprecedelited in a
emir like the present. It was never dour except in
cases o 1 high trea;tuo. here was, howmer, a certain
daises to which her Majesty would he entitled: in case
the facts dial-grit against her should lie proved at the
bar of the House, a certain time would afterwards be
allowed her Majesty to prepare for her ilefenceolltriug
which time she would hare au opportunity of rebutting
the evidence advanced against her. But it was impos-
sible that site could be furnished with a list of the
Witness, s.
Lord DACIA'S said, he conceived it would be proper
liHr her :Aajesty's Counsel to be called to the bar, in
seder to state such. facts as might he necessary for her
defence, and he should make a motion to that effect.
The Earl of Livenpoot. said, the Queen had already
presented a petition to that effect; anal as she hail not
been the Bill, the petition was not complied with. But
a copy of the Bill should be sant to her-Majesty, who
*mild then be made acquainted with the nature of the
Laring to be adopted with respect to her; and that
iegelone he should have no objection to hear her Ma-
jesty 'Counsel at the bar of the House to-morrow, upon
all matters connected with the future progress of the
Bill.
Earl OBEY thought it would be morn conducive to the
ends of justice, to postpone the whole of the proceed-
ings, so air to enable her Majesty to have a fall ,klloll'.
ledge of all the facts alledged against her. Ile wished
to know whether Counsel was to be employed is support
• of the Bill, and by what authority any Counsel was to
be admitted to the Bar.
The Earl of LIYARPOOL answered, that Counsel would
be admitted by the authority of the House, and that the
Attorney-Ueneral would appear en behalf of the Crown,
either 14 himself in person, or by another Counsel. He
conceived, if a fair issae was joined. it would he impos-
sible not to and out a mode by which jamice should be
done to both parties.
Earl Omar declared his only wish was to see justice
done between all parties ; nor did he feel any wish that
guilt, if guilt were clearly proved, should go unpunished.
He contended, however, that for the purposes of justice,
this case ought to be brought forward in a differeat
manner; and that the House of Lords should sot Is
placed in the situation of accuser, legislator, and judge.
The Loan CHANCELLOR matte some remarks respect-
ing the propriety of admitting the Attorney-Om:eral to
appear at the Bar of the House in a case of this hied.
Lord HOLLAND observed, that every Attorney-(latmeal
was 111 Member of the House of Commons, and be asked'
if it was consistent nit), justice that he should appear '
at that Bar as an licenser in a case in which he should
have to perform the *Gee of a holm., when it ante he-
fen that Homier which he rasa Member. He thought

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it n•on'ebe nror,•er to appoint a Co n u itte • to semi, ft";
i,re,..edents as to the course of procetslin„ that sloe
adopted in suelt ease as thiA.
ilk Karl 41.1%4:gr0w. observed, that the prsetireio
such a Ease had toren to aervo an (inler on the Antos,.
tieneral in the first instance, and tile,' another t-ota,',.•
woold be appointed In act in tai, stead.
The Bat was then read Bret time;, and the Far!st
I.trrvitoot. said, grit nest .11n, day a kitty wou;il
pointed for its second reading.
Au Order was made for herring the Queen's Cottage!
to-mors OW.

The House afterwards he•rrd t'onn,el :n the 1:1)::1%.e:i
Estate Bill, anti then Renoir reed.

HOUSE OF CONI.IIoNs, WKDNesr“. It LI 5,

Mr. M. A. TArt.no, ott bringin the repot.
the Committee on the smoke emismuing Engine tp,.
gave to dice, that lie would, early its the next Sesr:a4,
'wave for leave to bring in a Bill, declaring the lah
an the snhjeet of nuisances arising from smokr issrthr:
out of steam-engine furnaces in the Ale;rop.lis. It.
also stated, that the objects of the inquiry, or acrolr.:
of which the progress of the Bill tea:. tuspemica, lead
been accomplished.
The second read:ng ..f the Patent Firecitieationpz
was postponed to ;;.;,. ,lay ;ix
.It STU E IN Nat
witH...—.Sir M II'KINTO4II pte%ented a petitionL
. Robert Hawke. ;rid Eritrard 'Taylor, Esq. Sheriffs.,
Norwich, stating- that thee:• had twett hut one As,ut,
in the year for the r minty of the else of Norwich. 8,;.J
that the inhahitarts of that town laboured nn.ier
same grievances as the tour northern cottaths
furiner'y antlered. 111 eonresittence of the 101 l later
val between the gaol dishyery, a grievous rieteaqtra
of prisoners had t ken place in many instances. 'flit
petitioners enumerated several cases of evannittal
where the prisoners were confined sigh:, rake, am! tit
months try:vitals to the A:ssizes. They hoped, then,
fore, that the Same r..rrarti would be trait! (a. the ad's.
of just in Nora 'wit, nhich
remedy-fur a siroil.r evll exis!i.:* in the four uort!mr..
comities, and th • t they uoriltl be t:r.,,arti
ment of the same right whirls the whole kingtleur 1%4
is possession uf. The lion. Member 'mi.,. elms
knew our of the petitioners, and he was rout Owed that
their prover was entitle:l to the respectful attention of
.the House. •

%nor.- rotten:r.ii in the necessity of in.
proving the stet, of the a.!illitiisira;:au et justice;'
Norwich, and as tics adilit;•.tial ratt,e f..r a chafe,
stated that the pikoners in th. Norwich pol bad iiees
atih;ert-il to many !zrievanecs.
Mr. It. CounoteNtt stated, that the Ornate el!
the petition eviihl hr remedied by extei
iii the jurisdiction of ;he loval anthotities, or lo iF
naming the prisoners to the nullity gaol to he trill et
the Spring Assizes. This the authorities were roper.
erect to do.
Sir J. i.tt.ottvrtittit did not think the lint rent*
proposed by his llonotirable friend, by any means IS
via .61.• ; and, as to the next, lie ohjerted to it us nu
ground of expeir.r to the public, awl harshness to the
prisoners. It was nrich inure practicable for tlw Jet*
to ride over from Thetford to ,\ orwich, after they
littialied the Spring Assizes in the fornier place.
The petition was laid un the table.
THE Hllifil•AND sora:Ty AND OSSIIAN3
.I..itachiNTOlPM said, lie held in his hot
a petition (ruin Mr. I ttiln t awpbell, I native of Snot
land, complaining of tio• condi:let of the highland No•
ciety in London. This gentleman, animated he a lend-
able seal for the honour of his native nunitrt, wade le.
vergl expensive journeys to the I liglalands of Scotian.%
with a view to illustrate the topography of the scenes of
OssialCs Pornes--and especially that of the Poeut calved
Fingal. lie was actuated..no doubt, by a sitailar spirit
to that which had driven so 'natty to Trout, to awer
fain the scenes of the Homeric fortes. This gen&
man witilertook these journe to the Ilighlandsof Noll.
land, and to Ulster in Ireland, tinder the iturressim
that if he succeeded in ascertaining the existetwe of the
scenes, describes' by the Poet, that there could be at
longer any doubt w% to the authenticity of the Pons
This position of the learned antiquarian, however, at
peered to bins (Sir .1. M.) failatioun—atiol, in proof id
his assertion, he stated, that use had in his possessive a
copy of an edition of Don tjnixii;e, with a map. 'nisi*.
ally ordered to he Made out by the Court of 3ladrid, of
the journeys of the distinguished Knight through Spain
The petitioner stated, that the Society, forgetful of tie
noble objects for which they were iliturporatril—axi
insensible to the deserts, 41 hid' they should hayeliess
forward to patronize, bail refused hint compensation he
the losses which he sustained in leis patriotic ester
prise. Ile (Sir J.) however feared that the Haut ow
neither inclined to nsnrp inch an extent of literary jr
risdictionnor so much disposed to promote theca*
vation of Celtic literature, as to extend to the pcitioner
the relief which he prayed fur.
The petition was ordered to iw printed.
COPY-RIGHT ANI) SLAVES.—Sir J. Nulls•
rose' said, that the circumstances of the Session
duced bum to post, one to nest 'essitin, in the envoi
the House nut adjeuehing, the intro.litHto; of use
very important subjects before the llow.e. The iris
was a Bill relating to the law respiring-topics of
Printed Works to be given to the Cltiversitise.
And the welt was an Address to the Throne, triahr
to the Manumission of Shoves in all ports of his lb' "
jest)'s donsintons, where such an unfortunate oysill
existed.
WATER COMPAN I ES.—M r. lon ermvx presented
a petition from tlie inhabitants of St. fleore'hired,
heseechiryg the House to-take into cousidetatiootlir
past and present stale of the supply of !leftist tLr '
metropolis. The lion. Meisibm- stated at more
the circumstances which, in his opinioo, should iadiia
the Honse to take the earliest opportunity of erre'
hag a Committee of Inquiry in pursuance of the Part
of the petition. •
The Loan Maxon defended the Water Caspian+,
and stated, that the grievances which it was se mod
the practice to eowiplaie of, as arising last of a mote
poly of the Water Cmiipenies, either dill not exlst+.4l
were made the subject of great exaggeration.
ORAN fllAhl ELECTION PETITION CO*
MI rrEE..--.Colonel W4l DR oocar, the Unarm's' ado
Committer, appeen...l at the Bar with a report "MI
the Committee, stat;ng that Ale pr per officer
House haring bees di..ieted to serve Sir Wilitain Met
sea, Mr. James Manures, Mr. Hugh 31anorro.
A. Mattlieri, with a.rrinoion4, for theirett.o.:sertiA
witnesses before the Coruniittiw, had used all 'Wig
Csoiasil
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