The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-06-16 00:00:00

num vt as found wholly inadequate to the Just claims
upon it, and it would he the height of cruelty and
injustice to deprive the unfortunate widows and chil-
dren of deserving Officers who had fallen itt their
country's service, of this scanty allowance. At this
moment it was a most heart-vending task foe th•
Irish Government to deny further aid to those wh•
CO much required it.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT.' warmly supported the
last clause of the Bill. Gentlemen had been loudly
calling upon the House not to abandon a solemn le-
kislatiy.e.eniictrOnt, sire had been among the first to
violifts it. The fact was, that for several years the
Civil List Act bad been abandoned, and charges
were made upon the •Privy Parse, that it was ex-
pressly provided should be paid out of the Civil List ;
among these was a sUm of 10,0001. annually, pro-
vided for by Parliament, for the House of the thief
Seeeetary, and for buildings in Dublin. Castle. Ile
complained that the Pensions were not conAtied to
&set slug ohjects and he instanced the case W Sir
Jelin Shore, who, in his opinion, had no claim upon
the country ; the truth was, that it was converted
int.- a fac•ious list instead of continuing a pension
list: . -It *as unjustifiable that the public should he
called upon to make au additional sacrifice for what
had been already provided for by the Act of 1793.-1
The object of the promoter of the Bill was, that
public and.not party services should be rewarded,
and when pensions were devoted to that purpose
they became marks of honour instead of °ppm-
bium.

Mr. GOOCH and Mr. BROWN opposed the Bill
very shortly.
Mr. COURTNEY contended that the Bill was
unconstitutional and illusive in its enactments, par-
ticularly as it related to Officer/ paid out of the Civil
List, and out of the Hereditary Revenues of the
Crow n.

Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) likewise resisted the
Bill, disapproving both of its principle and of its
details. According to its Preamble, should it be
adopted, all those to whom pensions were given
would be as much budged as dependants on the
Crown, as the poor were as dependants of the parish.
Lord COCHRANE said; that though the amount
of the Sinecures themselves could not be con-
sidered as any thing very serious in point of re-
venue, yet that the improper bias and influence
thereby generated, did of themselves constitute a
main objection to the principle of Sinecures. He
had, when the right time came, an Amendment to
propose respecting the power of the Creivn to grant
those Sinecures.

Mr. BARING objected to that provision of the
Bill which gave the Crown the power of apportion-
ing out, according to its discretion, amongst the
Judges, the value of the several Sinecure Offices iu the
Courts of Justice. He thought it should be divided
amongst the Judges according to some predeter-
mined rule, as the principle of making and keeping
the Judges independent of the Crown, could not be
too tenaciously adhered to. He thought that they
should be divided among the Judges in proportion to
their existing salaries.
Lord BINNING protested against the coosolida.
tion of certain Sinecure Offices in Scotland.

hlr. BA LAKES, io reply, adverted to the objections
that had hden made to some of the provisions of the
Bill,—with respect to that of its having a teadene
to degrade all those who accepted pensions. He
thought that any objection of that sort was suffi-
eicntly obviated by the words of the Preamble—as to
the power given to the Crown to divide, at its own
discretion, the profits of whatever Sinecures should
fall amongst the Judges, the objection that had been
trade by an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Baring)
had occurred to him (Mr. Bankes), but he knew not
how to remedy it ; if they were equally divided
amongst the Judges, as the patronage hitherto be-
belonged to the Chief Judge, it would not be fair to-
wards him, and yet it was most desirable that no-
thing should be taken from the emoluments of a situ-
ation that did not yield, in his opinion, a salary ade-
quate to its dignity and trouble. He however was
open to any Amendment, upon this part of the Bill,
the Honourable Gentleman should propose.
The SPEAKER, before he put the question for
the third reading of the Bill, wished to advert to an
objection made by an Honourable Member to the
third reading, on the ground of au informality—some
of the provisions of the Bill affecting the Civil List,
and no consent on the part of the Crown having
been given, this objection did, not, in his opinion,
preclude the third reading of the Bill ; but he thought
that it would be contrary to the usage of the House
for the last century, if the Bill was permitted to
pass without the consent of the Crown having been
previously obtained. The Bill was then read a third
time.

Mr. BANKE brought up a Clause providing
that no part of the Bill should affect the salary of
any existing officer in any of the Courts of Justice,
which was agreed to.
Mr. LOCK HART considered Skis Ciente as ob-
viating his objections to the Bill.
Sir W. CURTIS brought up a Clause, exempting,
the Mayoralty and other Courts of the ity of Lon-
don, from the operation of this Act—which, after an
observation from Mr. Wrottesley, who thought that
the exemption should extend to other Corporations
at well as London, was agreed to.
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) proposed, that the',
words in the Preamble " provided they should need
such assistance," be left oat. He repeated his ob-
jections to his principle of the Bill, and said that the
Honourable Gentlemen (Mr. Bankes) was as end.
moored of the Bal.'s the lover in the play of his
mistress, and liked it for its very faults-.,but he,stjli
thought the Honourable Gentleman would, cite?
lose this his mistress. He would Bud this Bill ano-
ther Eurydice, and lose it at the moment he was sues
of it—like another ill-fated Orpheus—[a laugh].
Te dulcis coqiux—[a laugh]. lie engaged the at",
tentiou of—Orpheus—[a [fug/I].-11e weird ultii
mately lose her—he. might depend upon it—Te veo
nienie die, be deeedente ranetal—[a laugh]. The
Amendment was then put from the Chair, and 'the
gallery cleared for a division.

Nti

For the Amending:it(
Apioot
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Majority 'molest it r 11
After strangers were admitted,
Mr. ROTTESLEY tteut into a short esplims..

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