The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-05-23 00:00:00

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ice 7- i. :It . ''eras it that he had `ahead bls Opinion.
pon the intrinsic merits of Parliaineetary Reform ? Was it
that lie felt the ateumepts far its adoption iem cogent, or the
•effeets to follow (rota its accomplishment less salutary ? It
was nos such thing. He objected' to it not upon any grounds
attaching or deducible from the measure itself,
but grossing
not of causes eisae-eiker extraneous. Ills opposition to it
Cannot be conslierellas directed to the merit of the measure,
hut to the particularity of the season when it was introduced.
A Right.llop. Gentleman uppbsite (Mr. S. Bourne) had thfit
night vetintipely asserted shut the principle of. Reform had
been tried in two different parts of the world, and that in
both the experiment had failed. Ile (Mr. W.) begged leave
positively to deny it. Reform bad not failed, because fte-
form never hail a trial. [Hear, hear!) .In America, so tri-
umphantly referred to by the Right Ann. Gentleman, (and
a here he could find adthority fir the description he had
given of the Members of Cotress, he (Mr. W.) was wholly
at a loss to ascertain) the experiment had not been made.
There it was Creation, and nut Reform.- that had taken place;
and, what an awful admonition to that House must arise from.
inquiring what the causes were, which forced ern America
the necessity of that Creation! Ail the evils which accompa-
nied that unnatural contest—all the calamitous consequences
which first tore America (rain England, and scattered the
seeds of future desolation threu„eitout the whole earth, might
have been avoided, if the British House of Commons had'
been reforined. To the corrupt constitution of the Partia-
-1 ment, said Mr. Pitt, was to be. attributed the alienation of
1 the Colonies—the disgrace of the parent country. It could
not, therefore, be said, tbat Reform had failed in. America ;
bait it was ton manifest that the want of Reform in-England
had forced America to the necessity of a political Creations.,
Which, so far from failing in its object, had far exceetledthe
extent of human hope—exceeded, inasmuch as it was the,
work of one of the greatest and the best of men—of that Pa-
triot (Washington), who communicated to the ;Government
he had reared a certain portion of the purity of his own lip.
sullied life; inasmuch as it has grown from the weakness of
• Infancy to the strength of manhood, engaged in all the per-
twits which lead to greatness and tit power—capable of exist-
ing mein its own resonrces,.and too likely to become your
future rival. [l.lear, hear l) If such was the "case auto
'America, bow was the amertion of tie Right Thin. Gentlemen
'borne out by a reference to France? Can he alarm, that
even there the experiment of Reform was once tried ? Un-
' fortunately for Seance, for Europe, and humanits, Reform
was refused. To all atiplications for the redress or Mime,
to every proposed amelioration of the system sof its Govelos
meat. the answer of those then in power in that country uni-
formly communicated denial-until th'ose !Metals terminated
in the overthrow of the French aloriarchy. llitte. hear!)
Taco followed the horrible catnlogne of miseries some few in
that House kid predicted, tout which so many. of those wlto
then would not believe, have now lived tome so lamedlithle
realized. [Mar. hear!) When then seth instances mere
plain to their understandings was it riot imtitraL that many
j ISIMIS in the country should' now look to a Reform in that 1
House, impressed as they were with the opinion, That neither
thi Amertcan nor the French war, both events so replete
with ma'amal calamities; would never •have,
_taken we if
that House. had been. fairly coastitutediati A ' lkit'S Owe
the ,
feelings suid the wishes of the pen le? a tina,naturat,
whet) men contemplated the disastroes cathpitigris, the fruit-
• lees expeditions,, the lavish expenditure 'of the nation's blood
and of its means which characterize so' the political history
of latter times, to attribute' iuclt eNects to. the want of that
constitutional influence a hide; he cannery sbriul4, potent; over
the conduct of its public servants? 'When they' taeldieisterial
majorities ready to *defend even, rash wojetkof wet—to
screen every delinquency—to twiner, every malversation, and
to refuse every popular appeal for redrets—can it be a mat-
ter of surprise to that House, to find the country aniiiius to
correct that which they cotaider the menu °tell Jae .nattonal
evils, namely the imperfect Representation of the People in
the Commons House of Parliament I Theft how was that re-
wetly to be effected? It was:to biefeetedes his Dim. Friend
said, by looking into the priuciples.,Of the'('onstitatioo, and
applying theta to present cireetnannees.. It'wns by giving to
the people their due influence in returalegnien to that House
who came Vote the Representatives of time country and out of
their-own mouey. But the Right Hou. Gent. opposite has said,
that the Peers constitute a virtual representation of the people.
Did he forget the mutter in a hie!, such honours and dignities
have been to modern times too frequently bettowed? Did he
believe thatahe more the Peerage was diluted its honour was
proportionably increased ? Without any invidious applica-
tome he would suppose a case of a great independent emii-
tanner, from many causes pnssessed bf considerable halm...ore
• in that Hoesesandin the .couittry : to get tire support of such
a man became a 'emit object with the Minist. r- of the Day,
'. How retail ha mare factually proceed to twerlinplish ais.
' :pitipose thaekb hiacithg out the honours of the peerage_ as
the reeompface'? Mimic tints excited no very commendable
feeling of ambithin, and with the facility of sayhig testate
on both sides of a public questiou,"• which die almialpreifor
Yorkshire (Mr. Wilberforce) had stated Reconireet to a
greater writer, to exist, 14ss it not very peehitbleta suppose
that by such a pursuit the of the l'temiglt lei- ht be
exerted to eatirupt the other Inanch / Wag there )set same
ground forebelieving that which had been often estettedeil,
namely, thar.stick 'an 'instrument haS the Hattie of lairds
beeu made ts.egtually to suck at the besthlood if Pfuuse
of Commonir From the operation of Mich cursthe-eese
or Lords continues no longer what the C iliStitiiii•Sif Weeded
it, whilst the Commonsatands in need otreformittfon. In
°moldering the mode of that reform, it was imporible tie
overfiiiik the consequences which followed tram teen Misting
Theo way into that House by time nomination of Peers. Cdne I
skier the retationstiip in which a person thus retained stands 1
with a representative scut by a portion of the population of
the Cou..try. The latter stands forward for the tam choice
of his cone-tittle/la. Hetakes Ills place in this House unfie.
weed. If circriaistaeces should arise on which his Constitu-
ents express their opinion and request his support, what is
his alternative V Should he even against his own judgment
acquiesce with them Or vacate his :-eat ? '[Nor flu, and sane
ntunuare front the Ministerial. BiacAes.] _lt. Gentlenien
would wait, they should learn his opinion, that was,•thet
the representative *mute hound, Whutever view he took of
the question,` to vacate his seat. But what was the castor a
Uomineted Member on a pluching question L •Wie fie. not
bound either to vote with'his patron into verente 1 The tat-
ter was the uniform practice when sueir eircutuStances arose.
That iii the one ca.e you refuse to pay what some, rotaidered
a legal debt, whilst there exit no objection tet diseharge
the other, which might be termed A debt of, honour.' . Such
a mon, whets he took his place in that House, 'came not as a
representative of the people, but as the delegate of the no-
blemma Lie was aware that men of the first talents' and
strictest integrity were in that Way returned,. and that; the
present state of the representation, tbey oink' not &oat
many ceases nbtain seats inanothee Mender. But the system
of his Hun. Friebd had the atbirioteee of affording :itch men
opportunities. And though it took away taeut nomina-
tors, it opened forty places, where they .could, from their
talents mid their character, establish claims to popidarrali
port. But it seal said; that iu' that House *there weed
distinguished offirers of the'Armv,and.the Navy, and Lime
yers (onguf thi latter a great superileity ), who could, oaf uhe
thin seats unless by this mode of nomination. Did not the
Right Hon. Gent. know that stove of the.giebt eineated po-
pnleue times trentoldthehabitalt electing some • of our Na-
val heroes? fled tie not US 0)41,00e before him? lee' him
look teethe city of 'Wettmterter. Was it. not at this Moonlit
represented by a Noble Lord (Cochratle) whose great . and
Kellett services entitled and 'obtained for him the support of.
his constituents ? Had not Lord Gardner, and hetore him
laird Hoed, beed thus returned, standing forward as they did
to the ?die of the people, and supported by that people in
consequence of their professional services? So far at theme
tertian of the Right llim..Geot. (Mr. Bourne) applied to
•Naval heroes, his statement completely fell to" the ground.
There had fallen ftom his-Noble Friend (Lord Milton) cer-
tido observations which be had heard with surprize. His
Noble Friend had• stated. that at papillae elections the man
k Who could talk the greatest. nensense was sure to succeed.
I Now, he (Lord Milieu) lied been engaged in n great popular
anent, to which Character was opposed to character, great
I.asseiwal interest to great ontural• interest, and money to money.
. ?hi fault weft in favour of his Noble Friemlt'aed itithotit
, feeling Weaned to make any invidious Compatisaljklieivenid
ask what could have induced the people of N'dribiSte to*ree
Ter his Noble Friend to his opponent, but that" Beth he-and
his adherents sOnke better sense, and exhibited More roma-
lational principle? In this country tlm goad sense would ge-
neially predominate at popular elections, he was convinced,
unless sumo dangerous delusion, iu the shape of a religious cry,
was artfully raised to conceal some unconaltutional prulect.
'lt was inunifest that in the public mind there prevailed a
great and graining indispoition to that Heuse.—[Not Ito,
jeans "natty iferabers.)—That such inaispiesitioe existed, be
was persuaded ; and he must apprehended that those wins did
not believe it would not awaken from their delusion until •it
was too late. It bad been generated by eels dune in that
'louse during the parent and latter Sessions of Parliament.*
Many of its decisions have giveagteat disamt, so much, that'
in their wrath agaitist that House theyavistild de's:lye it of;
those privileges withal to a Donator Coininseis 'bay comfit's-
ted they would freely grant. The opposers of Deform en-.
deavour to deny that it is the wish of-the Country. They
ground the assertion on this, that the people have uot petiti-
oned for it. Bat they have Nears ago. petiliuoed, anti the
rea'init they did not repeat them was, (hat they feel datip-
waited and disgusted with the dpostleet.of 'their eibisasuce

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very Sessions they have seen the House of Coalmine refuse
1 werenes filoTt the P redressPnnef of
rof It.
hrievi6latteeseY theirhmdirregafMrdnitedatliaod ln Ptehial i
'to receive the prayers of the people.•• DIU it,was most idle
to believe that they did not wish for Reform in their hearts.
Itswecessity beeameevery . day more absetute. Wise Omit-
cils might do a great dent, but for complete recovery, in his
opinion, a Reform in the construction of that Masse was es-
sentsallv necessary. What has berm the fate of other flattens
who neglected the memo of national safety ? Did Prussie.res
form? Did Austria redress the people', grievances ? Why ,
has Spain been the theatre `of htivee and devil:l6M ? Were
their miseries to be traced to the experiment of Reform I Or
rather, was it not the effect- of the resistance with which
, their respective Governments treated every prOposition of res
dress a`nd amelioration titlad Sicily. reformed ? And What, -
notwithstanding the , iheral assistance of Great *Britain, will'
be its fate, unless that Government stroll he wise enough to.ac- •
cede to the reasonable wishes°, the people? Subjugated En- •
rope has fallen, not because she made nob experiments on her'
systems of Government, but by sanctifying every abuse, and,
perfinacioilly refugee to accede to the just desires of the
people; she destroyed the innral energies, and though she
placed arms in the hands of those who Might to be her de-
.
, fenders, there remai.ned nothliig of influence over their:
1 hearts whenbrought in contact with the enemy. What was.
I tit.• effect of the &idol of ReCorin in Ireland? It wits this
—that the -corruptions of its Parliament b.-came Si) glaring 4
and so destiuctive, as to have 'rendered it necessary to merge
it in the legislature of Great Britain. Far better would it
have been for the reciprocal happiness of both islands, that
the coarse of reform bud been pursued; and that the two
Independeur Parliaments had been continue;{. When. the
Right honourable Gentleman (Mr. Bourne) talked of virtual
representation, and its beneficial effects, how was it that Ile•
did nit speak one word' of the representation of Scotland?
[Neer. kwir I] Did it exist there?, How was it that it es-
caped his observation? Was it that he-knew nothing of its
siteation, ails crying grievances upon that subjett ; or that
with the skilfid adroitness of a dexterous pleader, he care-',
Ally abstained from that which must have exposed his folks-,
ciao. sophistry. Compensation pm boroughs had been ailed-
ed to to it:he was firClile'lly averse. There was not a fea-
ture of right connected with such a principle. The thing
here Whs. differs.** from that Of Ireland, where compensations
were made.. Theveit Wasatimitted by the Right Honour-
able Gentleman who now was at the bend of its Exchequer,
that every thing connected with the Uiiimi was bought.—
[Hear, Mar!} Mr. Whitbread proceeded- to comment upon
the mischiefs which must Pillow from collusions between the
p,trons of boroughs, and the Minister—the one bartering his
vatr.riage cif her to gratify his ambition or his avarice; the
eithrr the honours of the Croivn, or the money of the peo-
ple, to acquire. Paslininetstary support. Suppose some great
Lord with hissix or seven nominees in that House, slinuld, in
the longing of his empty vanity, grasp for those distinctions
Which were orilnined to reward heroic achievements—that
he should threaten the Minister of .the day With the defection
of his nominees in that /louse, unless he. obtained that rib-
band, which, thosigh an ornament to Imerit, must, when
otherwite eons red,. be cootillered re badge of disgrace to
the wearer. Has much a case liege"' happened, or was it im-
possible that it slinuld ever happeti Elam? Had it never oc-
curred that Wietilicesofasinfilhr natele were MN& fn a Minis..
ter, unless hitc4nintenance sins eiventh Same envisaged tittalie '
work, in whisirwm; Miwever' blended some little of private_
e inrest, hut fat the accomplishment of which the public gins.
neY was-la he tnllrely applled ? ,lf, then, such thitiei have
happened—if Vie can happen again-who was it that coula
mutt
deny It to be profligate exereiseteithisse powers which'
were Pills uited for far differeot partiwes? Betweeirthe
contendieg oeleines of his Honourable Friend and that of
the Right Homo:1,1e Centleman (Ml'. Houn*)'pPPOslle, -he 1
(Mr. W.) was placed in a dreadful alternative. Ills Ifs-,I
°Durable Friend said, that unless Reform took place, ri triis
litary despotism would follow: The Bight Honourable Gets-
demon was fully persuaded, that if Reform wits *weeded; this
country, after being drageed through the vortex .of demos
cracy, would at length he subjected to a Military GoYerns,
mein. li was not for him to say that either, coneeqesoce
would follow ; hot in adjuring that House to acquiesce in the
motion for going into a Committee, 'he would appeal to the.
authorities of the dead to strcagtireu the admonitions of the'
living. I call .upon you to bear in rentembranee the might V
characters with have expressed their, decided support to this-
question of Reform. The horrori of that democracy whielf
the denial to Reform had aseelerated, in Emote, have sub- •
sided from' their own exhaustion. England, though hutfettect
in the tempest, has escaped from the general wreck which has
befallen so many other nations- • Will she not psofit even by
their example? Will she, With their calarnifiis.-and their,
fate speaking Aolrec with 'Were than 'oracular force, refuie
to redress, sod, by such infatuation, hurry to the same dese
tiny? Eveute • bate taken places within these* Walls it hieh
have sunk, deep Into the kenos of-the people. It is true,-.
th,it many of the Gentleniee opposite think the inipression
done away; and that the popularieeson is. Slow riehted. If
the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Percevall),.
the-First Minister of this CoUutry, thinks himself justified
1 by the decisions of this Houtie, keens* allow me to tell hint,
that be grossly deceives himself. Let me assure Mons that
the votes of thiellouse, which weremennt to justify his ac-
tions, have.itinoineousiderable degree increased the advit=
elites fin. Pa rliaffientary Reform. Thosefears, whith spring-
iog from the chaeges of Europe in 1192, bad so alarmed the
mind againit innovation, now 'rem* le operates All men see'
the absolute necessity of-reforming—they see that danger
pressing upon them which was so' feared and so expedted
w hen nur expiedittire was ten millions. When afterwards
twenty millions. How much more- chilling tbe proppecf
whenit has been increased to sevent4 illations! and when
sve contemplete the awful truth. that ill human resources are
finite! There was little to add to the reasoning already
advanced at various periods upon the subject. But with re-'
spect to the sale -of seats. he ..would contend that, the
Man returned by his money could. have little connexion
with the public feeling. With.' constituents he Could
Bever -Come in contact, perhaps never see . them. .He
th*refore had no bias to comply with their opiniows.—
He felt and acted as the representative of his—*lool.
When versed in the system of Ministerial Management, he
would 'not 'remain long .backward in pursuing that Course
Whit:hi* observed-followed by se many to their own private
advantage. Mr. Whitbread next adverted to the Septennial
Act, which, aboraetedly cousidereitt he-thotr.,ht most tyran-
nical, but which was in some degtee justified by the motive
which led twits adoption at the time, namely, the preserva-
tion of the 'fusee of Brunswick on the Throne of these
I realms. He would vote for Triennial Parliaments, and nor
regulating the manner of taking Votes. The latter would he
a consequence of the first, and without it the other would be
intolerable. • Whether tiodet a reform the Members returned
would be intrinsically bettei than 11104 e who now sat there, he
would not say ; but by coming in under en many popular checks
as much good wells& be pradticed as if they were intrinsically
'better. After etpeenting his wislttesee. though not the effis
cient Officers of the crown, yet tbei r sle pendants removed from ,
that House, he cneeluded with observing, that even though
no other good was Ito follow but the satisfaction of the peo-
Isle; for that the exertims should be inade,•Xild from i tis.ac-
eumplishment the most salutary benefits would follow. •
Mr. CANNING conceived the questi,n proposed by the
motion to be plainly this, whether that Hawse Manila declare
itself inadequate to the performanceof its fun 7.tions,.-whether
it should abdicate its authority? ,'The house would, hh
hoped, pause heroic it decided in the affirmative upon such
a scram. subject. To what consequences such it decision must
lead, " through what variety of untried being " it was likely
to take bills the House and the misery, he thoirght *mute- ,
cessary Its deirelbe. 'rind for-what purpose was midi a dange-
roes experlineitrecommended ?--to conciliate truly not the
sober reflecting-part of the pewit, becauSe he -aid not believe
any thing of this uatore wus requisite to their satisfaction—
, no—but a particular clasa. whose study it' was to create agi--
, Onion and Make a noise about reform. For that class he could
never heiltate to express his condoned disdain. They were
not deserinig of any. favour from that Mouse, because .for
that -Home nethe Constitution they felt no solicitiide.—•lf
such • persuos could attain their object, they would constitute
such a system of popular delegation, as could out exist as a
tco-oixfinate authority in the Constitution of England. An
Honourable Friend of his (Sir James M'lntosh) had stated in
a production of his, relaying to the French Revolution, that
thve a Reformed House of C;lmmons,' and the Crown and
e' Lords would he as dose in the- balance.. This opinion
which his Hon. Friend and Written in the effervescence Of.,
. 'oath, he hoped his subsequent ,experience and reflection
had served to correct; but he M 110 doubt that such was the
Omit& opinion- and calculation' of those who now so cla-
sibiaratigly called for reform out of doors. Therefiire he would
Isaist them, becauee be saw no good 'that could result from
conceding to them, -while there was too much reason
to apprehend great evil.--.—To explain the grounds of'
,that apprehension, to 'show the effects of any attempt
at the practleal appli cation of theoretic notions of demoenoic
Morin, he' need only refer tease ease of A meriewand France.
To illustrate the circumstances of the-former, Ids Mon. Friend
(Mr. S. Bourne) had already' quoted the authority of a wri-
ter, who, on his arrival from that eountre about ten years
ago, was industrious in proclaiming the baneful effects of a
democracy, although of late years, still more mimeo* in
supporting those who looked for what thiS writer called it,e-
Put in. But those persons Were, It appeared, very laud of .kite
io'priofessing a great solicitude for the Crown. nay; &personal
VCVOCCDCC fur the Monarch.. There was; bewevor, tinthing

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The Right Hoe. Geldlcihrhargnaniti•e:da.dnve.hrtyedtheunpsohnutilied
weextrdeatoer:
extraor-
dinary logii,•that because we had remained secure atniistthe
ronSub.ions of Europe, we *field think of Reforin.• What a
perverted motion I To the superierity of our institatiom our
security was to he attributed;
rotor upon a change 1 But it was contended that the Rome
3twold become more a representatioo of the people—mere
subject to popelar influence—and it was said, that owing to
the wont of that influence tiumennis'evils had befallen the
country. Among those evils it was tirgeds that we sleuth4Mo
have had so many wars if popular opinioneshaiortft ihritissodbdueeartiiirrel‘igfikh:
in the Legislature, while the fact was; and it must he evident
to any person who consulted our history, that Mar wars gene-
rally, for the last century, originated with the people. 7-That
popular sentiment protept.'d to the war with America wail
upto)dli:fliii-;atis)ifee'rcaednd ()jut tvio'f"taitakcseliTnneofintste•trittihelit
peace, and his resistance to the popular inclination rm. sari
Therefore, he saw no good that could result ia this r, :iy•isti
at least,froin having that House in subserviency to the pub
feeling. Indeed, he could not think it neressara or wit '..-, that
the Heusi' should be any closer e it li the Pelvic than it was at
present. Let it be recollected, that it was the extent of the
popular influence, which at the Restoration prevettea the
arrangement of those provisions for the smithy of pope*
freedom whieltan lion. Gentleman, repealing tio obsematieg
in the celebrated Tract of his Ake:teed Friend (Mr Fee),
had expressed his regret did not take pace. A Auk synipn.
thy with the People, and a reasonable attention to their de-
sires, was, nn doubt, the duty and the itielioation of thot
House. The people, unquestionably, could reason &tide
when they had time; lint as, notori busly, their first impute
was feeling, be did Out think it would. ire poti:ic, or fur the
1 treat of the country, to have that Home spil,e sot:lieu le
popular contrail!. Every class ache potpie was f. iv
re.
presented in that House, and its general coaduct since the Re-
Volution, excepting the Septennial Act of the Whigs, tended
to a inelitirate the rout dry. Therefore hesaw tin necessity fait
the proposed Reform. As to the argument of that necessity
which had liecn drawn from particular votes, he asked what
assurance could he tittered that similar votes Mould not takes
,place.,,,e afar the desired Reform! He believed that,
while human nature wa- unchanged, no cheese is tke Conan.
lotion of that House could guard against some improper deci-
sions. The Right Hpn. Gentleman, after complimenting the
fair and moderate language in which the maiden had ben
opened by the flon. Mover, exhorted the Home to beware
hf the consequence of adopting such a modem Be netted
. they would not expose themselves to the danger of voting for
the Committee, and that they would oot emsent to shake the
stability of that fabric; which haValforded theneelves and
the country such complete shelter.for ye:trs. without evea
knowing- what surtof lithcie.was to he erected in its stead._
111eari Near. hear: fratli Me Minl,ferial flenekes.]
Mt. Tit ERN HY, Without*any with whatever to teakettle
House and the.kavv:y, as dust in the halaiket" was a derided
Atieucate for Reform.' Early in life, and thiw,,stfli hater ie
life, he-was 4-opinion that Some Change in the Represent
tine of the People; in that noose must-taketilare. Tisfs be
believed to he the opinitui and the wish of all the thilikillg
Part of the reionianity. lie could .sure the Howie that lie
didno! express this °pillion from any look-nor fn poPelnkti,
No; popularity had of late fulleti hitt). such bawls, iliat;it
was reeky oh ohject of ambition in 'tea mind. It would, is.
deed,„ he vain for those who thought with him to start fore.-
puttifity ,:id competition with the persons he allotted' to. fair
hearaitpersoqded, that those pe moo is w ortid,be Aiwa ys sate to
.riinbcritre theM. He had, iodced, no doubt that if he aoll
his Friends ;sere to decide that all hOusehnltlets smgM to
have the light of voting, the pertains referred to would de-
mand universal suill age,. and. that if all meat terse permitted
to vote, thcSe pet-sills would call for the a liniSsion of the wo•
meo ; nay more, that fF -the icemen were' admitted, they.
.would insist ripen the addition of the chi dreg to iang.ll, wog
hear, hear.. 3 These perste a. therfilre,,fie tsiold sat expect
to satisfy; hilt it was his wish to give setiseaction 'to Ise et,.
her, illisiking part of the public; whom insane: although not
se oeisy, ,he !remise naturally anibitioui to deserve. Among
such people he limed the call for Reforiii Silvers:lL Indeed,
it *MS impossible to mix in Inv society outvote hearing that
call repeated.—isithott hearing the evils arising .i.ot of tote
1
system of our eepresentatiou dilated spun—witlinut in fact
bearing the House of Commons spokeu of si ilk marked con-
teMpt.—Egorne riturniurs,j—Oeudetnen might murmur; but
he sottedatis decided opinion of what he Inca. lie retitle,
indeed, call upon ani Member of the Howse, whatever *ate
of society lee entered, to state what he /scoot atm this sub-
ject. He did not say that that Housedesersed contempt, ids
'though many argot:omits might be drawn Mow its conduct,.
piiiitilarly with regard, to the Core ender, of Chum end
the Watchers) Expedithei, which appeared to ac-
count for the sentiment of.. the public. But the very
circumstance of the Right (Moamar:dile Gentlenua op-
visite being the Minister of the country, and supported y •
that House, was enough to deprive it of the public confi-
dence. That support ouch a .sliiiister could not have if the
. House were propeily cotatiucted. In fact,. if it were tiot
• ftsr the Scotch Members, whir could not he sate Represen-
tatives of the people, the Right Hon. Geetkinan must have
fails) in consequence of the Walcheren Expedition. Rut of
that expedition the Right Hon. Geteleman wouldhave heard
more, notwithstanding kit first victory; if it-were OW fir OS
case of Sir Francis Burdett. which occurred so opportunely
for the Right Hon. Gentleman. Yes, the Right Hoe. Gen-
tleman availed himself with-promptitude and ntacrity if that
lucky eveot. Lucky. it was to him indeed—fur he tirade
believed that the Right Honourable Gentleman owed
the tenure of his situation to Sir Francis Burdett. (Hear,
Ayer!) Gentlemen on the - Treasury Beach might cheer;
but lie was convinced that accuriling to their own feel--
.iris Sir Francis Burdett was their hest benefactor.—
In the plait proposed hy his lion. Friend, hemaistainedthat
there was nothing new—anti ing which Bard not been won-
Wellded by many of the ereatest men the history of *biscuit-
try could boast—among w hum were time great Chatheas aced
his illustrious son. His lion. Friend proposed that ssstena
tilone which accorded with the principle Hod practice of the
Constitution, and which had simply in view it/ reviler that
House what it ought to be—a cottstilatioral twat upon'the
- older of the Crown, load is sparing dispenser of the mammy
.ef the people. • He would c:erefore support the motion;
.1,
'thiert,he begged the House to consider the consequence of re-
rasing even to inquire hen the cause of ad that evil which the
tiseople sot loudly and so universally deprecated.
..i.hlr. Iti. SMITH ridiculed the idea that any danger (veld
result to the Country or the Constitution from disfr ,nckisine
such leiroughs as Olt( Sarum, and justified the public hi with- .
- dress ing cm:fide-lice from those a au voted the acquittal of a
Noble Lord (Castlereagh), after confessing as he did his own.
guilt.
Mr."PONSONßYssovhile decidedly adverse to what Wats
ifashionahly called radical Reform, winch, to his Wad, Warn
,pothing more nor his than Revolution, teetered himself sm
*ittivocate.for that rational, moderate, and necessary system,
sitthich the proposition of his lion. Friend had in view. la
Diforizsein4instojesauccihj...syskite.m,
gs iliit4.wial
asfiltyllytatanaidedt
ou
otilitts, the
sae-
thority, or dereliction of its place io the Constitution, would
Advance its authority by redeetnitseits character; would add
to `the power of the Constitution by aaguien in.: the interest
*of the people in its support. There wits molting more shave-
• fel than the venality of some of the luiroughs,suel plaice-
ilti those tibia) had bet feW Seethes, about BD or iXt--
boroughs 'sere Indeed Much worse theta the tutelage le-
mites. Boronglts Aetna this desceiptieo Aught lobe done
away, oF the,right of voting eteteiyAed. Aldioch,the Hasse
had the right of c'reatals new Coepiiirtitrons with the power
of sending MemberS to their Hesse; foe iliere wasubtlistag in
the Law or the Ctleitilettee to do awaythm,right, although
,
, out exercised since the reign of Jauaes theßecands re use
Crown bad not the right of' diSfranchisiog any borouge. The
:Grown could give but.it could not take deity, It was for
that House to didfranchise when ism* isectieion.,
abalelrF.
Friend's
ildl;sYpNlafil,Eifthdoiudriaciht tihyabt
rmoasrhip,faorrwu.
itorf
dr
valioulondoerbe-
entitled to the attensiee consideration of the /house, .
Lord PORCH ES.FER concurred in the seutiment of his
lion. Friend who spoke last.
Mr. BRAND, in reply, maintained, that not a single ar-.
Lenteet, or shadow of ;tegument, had been adduced to centre-
yen' the position upon which his motion rested, namely, that
that House was not the Representative of the People of En--
gland. Whatever the fate of -his elution might be on this oc7.
skim', he would feel it his duty to bring the subject forwards
again and again. There were 'indeed certain parts of t
oe
plan he had detailed to the lionse,.w hick he meant to propose'
in distinct Bills in the course of this Sett-ions, if not too late P
but if not, he pledged himself le submit these distinct propo-
sitions to the House early in the next Sessions, and he had ow
doubt that - their adoption would serve to raise that Holm*
and to invigorate the Constitution, while it would essentially.
betielihthe country, and cordially gratify (be people.
Me. CANNING explained.
The Question being touttiv called for,. the House divided—'
. For the Mobilo - - 115
Against it
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. Majority - -.- 119
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