The Statesman.
London, England, 1814-11-15 00:00:00

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to do with the eqiipmMiiteipteltilevetere ships' communicadon front 1
ltiVrtfirdiNdilli Mr
,but why-did:oo not '.Proikle- a Ilullehlist -te_forceon folloseing impottant statement t:.;
did' ...1. •
the lakes to meet the enemy ? Why- ---' 617 /el'''. si'' The Hanoverian Minister has given in' i( very
it to the'Colewlid Department ? If the Board of Ad- !
' remarkable note, •In which he declares that he
miralty lefritt,4o them, they were to be blamed. If
gisss his consent end. accession to every arrange..
they hadiesitiii.4leet to the lakes at the commence..
ment of the. liar,. they would hue pievented the , ment.which tends its ;secure the constitutional and
*bole of the disasters that had occurred is that parCi pertonal•righti of iii German subjects; that his Royal
-14 Canada. Highness the Prince Regent of GREAT BRITAIN and 1
Mr. CILOKER.--4he imputations thrown *Well HANOVER cannot recognise the principle that the
Admiralty proceeded from misconceptions or nit,.
Sovereigns of Germany, rowels Amy rights purely
(*elided statements. What ground was there for as..
sorting, that they wished to avoid enquiry ? They despotic over their tubjects ; he believes, on the
did not recede from responsibility. .If we had no . contrary, that the subversion of the general Con-
gest:on Lake Erie, neither had the enemy. - Was' siltation should not necesSarily, and cannot ie.
*Government to blame for not hating a force before it, gaily,' overturn the provincial Constitution. The
was wanted 1 It would have been a waste of public I
reciprocal rights of Sovereigns and their subjects
'money to employ considerable force without a suf.
must have _continued notwithstanding the Con-
ficient cause. Ile was glad to ind there would be
1 federation of the Rhine, the principle of Sovereignty

NE, tke, ear aetieg Ltd' Parliament After .the
Cep,; Nay Ilse Bank Restriction Bill. The .Rouge
;alight pretty well see tltht, it was his intention
to continue it. As to the seventy thousand men pro..
povedtfor our naval establishment, he did net disptite
their necessity :. but the demand came with a bad,.
grace from those by whose mismanagement the Navy'
slight have been disgraced, if disgrace could have
attached to it. its character repelled the dispaok.
and threw it upon those by who++e mismanagemesSiter
efforts had been ineffectual. lie wished to kaourtfial
peseta object of the war, or • whet, were the time,
that Ministers considered honourable ? The Speech
et the close of the last Session expressed a wish to-
conclede the roar on terms honourable to both parties.
The Speech at the commencement of the present was
not quite so explicit. As to the original ground of
said he ,uld not consent to sacri-

war, he always , woui.
fice our maritime rights, sad in particular the right an opportunity of further explanation. Every inv.! :, - .
of search. That question, however, had now gone formation given to Government concerning the mo. Ii not including in it necessarily any idea of descfotiton.
by, and be hoped the war would not continue for a tions of the enemy were immediately attended to' 2 The King of GREAT BRITAIN, says the Declaration,
mere theoretical question. The assertion of our right in and the forces demanded were not only granted •is Sovereign_as will as any other in Europe; but the
practice might be reserved till the next war. He bet even anticipated, and that in a treble and
i liberties of his people Strengthen his Throne, insfead
should be very glad to hear from Ministers, that it quadruple degree. ,
of weakenier it. 7'h fore it is necessary in the
was not their object to make conquests. Be thought . Mr. BARING.—The Hon. Secretary 'states, that ! wr
such a declaration 'would have a powerful effect in the war was begun without force on the Lakes, and ; first place to fe-estiblis die-rights. which the Ger--
compelling the American Government to peace. that Government -waited information: but it was ~man 'objects possessed 111„,ancient times: secondly,
Mr. W. K EENE as the enem
apprehended great danger from their business to provide a force, 1
mi -...1?‘
so declare that the territokial Constitution- founded,
her growing potter, if America retained the domi- 'mold naturally commence in that quarter.
''law' pi"
pion of the lakes. Sir G. WARREN DER moved, that two mantels thirdly,
drt
,i- tier, shalt be* re-established: and,
--nr-
; ft is necessary to eMiblish provincial Con.,
The question was then carried• be granted for the service of the Navy. I-
On the Resolution for the ezpence of Navy Ord- Mr.WARD had heard, that shipsforla I
keoaterie, alitatiaaa in places where there are none, and. to,
naafi sent out in frames, had, after therirrived, been I give them the power to raise taxes, to make laws, &c.lf
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that u a large sum found useleis, and sold. I We are led to fear there is not so much truth in
was proposed to be voted for the Ordnance of the Mr. CROKER replied, that by advice of persons i the above as we could wish, by seeing it added thikt,
Navy, he wished to know how it happened, as be i best acquainted with the waters, two ships were sent , ; Sir A c
...,.DMIT SMITH is now at Vienna, demanding oil
was ipformed, that in the vessel in which Captain i to the St: Lawrence to be carried up the Lakes, I all the Powers of Europe the abolition of the Slave
Barclay fought on Lake Erie, there was se great a which they might be in a very short time after the !
difference in the calibre of the guns, which mu.. shipwrights had completed them. These were • sent Trade ; and requiring also measures to be taken for
"kilted much distress,,and was one of.the ceases+ it the request of the Admiral on the station. One the subjection of the Barbary pirates. It is said Sir S.
which led to the destruction of that squadron ?,•-'-• had arrived, and he hoped would be launched on the has received considerable sums of money from differ-
Whether, in contemplation of the war, we should Ontario; the other had not reached its destination, ent philanthropic societies in London, to prosecute
not have had a sufficieut force to meet the Americans I because Sir J. Yeti conceiving the loss of time not these missions, in which, if the gallant Tar is so en-
on the Lakes, there would bounother opportunity of i material, preferred transporting the stores for other
gaged, we heartily 'avish him success.
discussing ; but he, for the present, wished to know ; ships.
from the Honourable Baronet, who had taken on I Sir JOSEPH YORK said, that seeding.out these The rest of the specblations in these Papers do not
himself the management of the affairs of the Ad- I ships showed the alacrity of the Admiralty. seem entitled to more attention.
znirelty in that House, how this this difference in the j The CHANCELLOR. -of the EXCHEQUER It is stated thatadvices were received yesterday from
calibre, in the vessel in question, happened ?—And ; then moved, that 1,600,0061: be granted for makil'iGhent to Saturday last, and from their character we
whether the Admiralty had not beet! informed, in a ; good engagements to the Emperor of Russia, and I have ground for believing that dispatches have arrived
letter from Capt. Barclay himself, that so various King of Prussia. Ordered.—Attu, for 12,500,0001.
were the calibres, that he had eight magazines to'sup- for Exchequer Bills, outstanding and unprorlded for. r from the United States for the American Commis-
ply these guns, which were given to incommode in- I Mr. PONSONBY.—What is the amount of ta. sioners, which have been conveyed to them through
stead of defending him ? I quer Bills outstanding ?,_ , . France. A long Note was delivered by them to the
Sir G. WARRENDEA
_Mated, that he knew of i CHANCELLOR of the EXCREQUER.-**FiftY- British Plenipotentiaries, which was immediately
sizioformation which had been received by the Ad- - nine millions. . forwarded by e. Special* Messenger to this Court.
iiirilty:en the subject alluded to by the Hon. Gen- I MONUMENT TO THE LATE GENERAL ROW. .ed here, 'but the Cabinet bad
demon (Al r. Whitbread). • , Nothing:has transpir ere, butan
- . • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER called the at- •
Mr. CHOKER stated, that information bad been tention of the Houte to the services of the late Na4ol.47eneraiextraordinary meeting at the Foreigu ()face on Sun.
se rived by the Admiralty of the fact, that' there was k_itook....lAfter recapitulating the many brilliant expillia:hich day, when we understand thou diapetches, Which
SiTgreat variety of sizes in the guns of the vessel in ";„*„"ll,l:4„,beeilliParnr pyenellatted4mhe tiaceihtelopneof oer wars he I were transmitted with unusual rapidity; were epees&
question ; but how this bacLhappened, or by whom in America, where be finished his career of glory. Hen, after
the vessel had been thus mailiiped ' had wet been marching many miles through a hostile country, he attacked and examined.
, and routed a superior force of the enemy that was defended by
communicated to them. i • 1 artillery and by a river. It weson this occasion be had air
Bitusscui, Nov. 11.—The Chronick of the Con.
Mr. WII LTBREAD remarked, that it was eetra. fice to perform, in which he displayed a degice of vigour and I greasrannounces that Nuremberg is to be the seat of
zerse seldom ustivbefid, in
tw thewwwsitinr
wpwer:oc:s.wfHJwaistyeafledwi thersermaa ceafederatieog., ;
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. ordinary that the Secretary of the Admiralty, a_., forbearance
Subordinate officer, .should be possessed of informs.' nearetaliation. It was is ItYs_ pawn to lay
.the whole the .
.aria bas been the Est to lay as Caitisdiallon
• • tion which had sot tome within ate reach of one of city of Washin4toa In ashes.—kle, however, exercised a mo, befa, the C • for its °heti
deration by which all the private property in the place SIM "r* ongressl I S aPin• on,
the Lords (Sir a. Warrender). But even the Secre- pared.—Were the Chancellor of the-Exchequer gave a history • -mbeelme•—• •
tary had not acquainted the; Committee with the sof the last expedition before
.lialtimore, iis.which the General
The public business in both Houses of Parliament
reason of such an eatmorttinary occurrence. There • catosktilsonlif those eby aalbotnifir:imm aton
taaekeecea.re In
o his host
Wilma:die eel: be,
nunitYll last night was exceedingly interesting. la. the Lords
was one way of accou " ter R':- that no provision and it was to be hoped, that that Haase and the country woo
bad been made for the . lit of this vessel, and not h!.llitekHwarddo len' endheavours to _ comp!y with i his wish. the Marquis of LANSDOWNE brought the subject of
e nh
ecoinwcel
sued: dt e
d, tb
that the gallant officer took the guns wherever he The„.' "to' thmeoPrZe—e Re-
couldThathumble Address
Lad them, rather than not perform a service, rent. beseeching his Royal Highness to give directions that a ;'gala before the noose, by moving fora Copy of the
which would have been desperate even with vessels Monument bwe_etrheeetgidteis
a.-ri,thebrellehalrarallßChurcht Rot Paul, to i Convention entered into by Great-Britain In regard
well appointed. It was strange that the letter of the memory i
.ryEEENE seconded the motion. He said it fell to his I Villas matter. This Motion produced a disci:salon'
Capt. Barclay on this occasion had not been produced lot to'have been act tiainted with the family of the late General 1 9.
on the Court-Martial for the justification of this of- Moss for upwards of three•scove years, and if there was any imam t which terminated by an understanding on the part
firer, who had suffered, perhaps, as much as any Irogeelliiiknegilyonthaint
wanuothtehretecome urrlitclitthe ilwluhstwrious model of.' of, the Ministers to lay the substance of the Treaty be-
human being ever laud, and wnose wounds bore such , the great qualities necessary to constitute a distinguished C 0..:; fere the House. A basis seems also to have beets
ample testimony to his personal bravery.
• I 1411111trie. TIIONSON BY said, be had had the honour of being '1
Der laid for an enquiry into the ceases of the loss of the
Sir JOSEPH YORKE could easily answer that serially acquainted with Gearral Reset and of that excellent I British flotilla on Lake Erie by
the Marquis of
question of the Honourable Gentleman. The Ad- Officer he could say, that his valour is the field was, if possible; , s
uiiralty had nothing to do with the equipment of this vstceedweeddbwy) tiesanntwleyness and
wwafweetitoend to all with whom' .
ha puCittNolfAM and Lard CianviciAt; whilst the
L , _..,
squadron, which was entirely within the province of . tiger a few words front' Chancellor of the ExcheyeesOir. •
Earl of DARNLEE, taking a wider,ecopecgave notice
the Colonial Department. It was now customary to , Whitbread, and Mr. C. 6 . the motion was agreed to op. i that he should this evening briag forward his motion
bring all manlier of charges against the Admiralty,
, a' l'ilnru.srl'EßN EY put of his %notion respecting the Civil List , on the general mismanagement of the naval admits's•
and from many of the representations hawked about man (*.warren. . **. tration of the country. ...,..
ip the Newspapers, the public would be induced to ! wlltr
aCommittee to consider the Duty os Glass was put of till
In' the Commons,the Public
Expenditure eke
believe the Lords of the Admiralty to be the greatest I Lord PILMERSTON brought aptly, Artimate of the Army " ,
dolls in the whole world.-..[41 Laugh.]—As for . from September, 1811, to June, 1815. 4. nactktssed at coesiderable length, and the late tom-
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himself, he would say that. he would not exchange ;-- At f-past nine the House adjorralli. . lettplcatlint- dra,ttle mercantile interest in the City,
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his abilities for those of thenonourable Gentleman, , . , anilik,upee, *iptil attempted to be explained. Mr.
(Mr. Whitbread). He would not exchange his exer- Arr. MOD. ~ • • Dee IrIiDWIT tad Mr. PONSoNRY showed very clearly
Lions or his patriotism for those of the Honourable 0 • Lisboa -l' that tberioances were by no means in the flourish-
e.:. Malta •• • 00000000 •• • •• •.
Gentleman; and, in short, there was nothing be- 7
. 00000 Holland .. • • ..... • ••• •• • ..• •.1 ing state in which the CHANCELLOR of the Excue-
longing to the Honourable Gentleman with which be e
would consent to make an e2cchange. 1 6 France.
•.. 0 QUIR and the PRINCE REGENT'S Speech have re-
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Mr. CROKER said, it was not surprising, that presented them--a proof ol,which is given in '
PRICIS OF STOCK! MIS DAY- 11111 01111 OVILOGit
he, whose duty it was to register and answer the let- mink , law; ..iieku mliii a * tbirearly call for money mei fresh, supplies.—,
tors received at the Admiralty, should recollect a 1 per Cent. Red. 6.3; 4 Er,__lp•••,..._ -ii• rir - ---, . ,Tlhotailisa.of the. Cualmixtost-of the EiCHEQUER
particular letter better than one of the Lords of the . :
per teennts
t..Cium. 611 S arar:inuerip I T fm, a monument in St. PiuriCittlesdral to the me-
Admiralty, to whom those letters were only read . r
5 per Cent. Navy 944 • Consols hot Acc. 641 5 dry of General Rois tossed unanimously. Minis-
consecutively. The Admiralty knew nothing of the ; , ;.
causes of the manner in which Captain Barclay's ' , • . ties appear to have become sensible of the impolicyl
vessel was equipped. The squadron was not under ' THE STATESMAN. .r prosecuting the ruinous and disgraceful sySteni of 1
their orders. The vessels were not King's ships nor warfare in which this brave General) who plannbd
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navigated by his Majesty's sailors. The Honourable • -,"' the destruetten of Washington, lost his fife. Mr.'',
Gentleman should therefore apply to another depart- „LONDON: • Vansirrartiolik that opportunity of stating, that
meat of the public service for the information he re-
TUtSDAY, , NOTEUBSR 15, 1814. instructions had been sent out to the coast of Ame-
quired.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that as to the exchange ..,—.41,-- ' rice to abstain from further inflictions of retaliatory
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spoken of by the Lord of the Admiralty with himself, French Papers of the 11th and 12th, and morel vengeance (the weight of the evil having fallen upon
be must observe, that as this exchange was not pro- Brussels and Frankfort Journals, were received at a • oar own beads), unless rendered necessary by fresh
'gene° is
posed nor desired by him, he thought that they had both , late hour this morning. The Vienna.; t ll' i
n e enormities. When enormities go by examples how
better remain as they were—to laugh].—At the,* • I
,_ aril not so late as the opening of Congress. The careful should we be to abstain from thus keeping
same time he must continue his occupation, and asf. 1 I
occasionally, although always with the best possible i arrangeMents, however, if we can trust report, are; alive manners and
;modes of destruction more be.,
temper, which he was sure would be met in the same beginning .to be developed. That relative to the' defiling savages than civilised nations !
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Manner—[a laugh]—such questions as a sense of I Archduchess LouttA is carious : she is to be heeded' Col. Parana has postponed his Motion relative to .
duty suggested as necessary and proper to be asked. I over, nolkns valiant, we suppose, like of the the Court-Martial Col. Qttsttrtat, tiii Thursday.
ppose, some on CENTIIf,
As the arming of the ship did not belong to the Ad. I • •
t passive territories, to the Kiug of PRUSSIA, who The length of our report of, the various speeches
miralty, he should ask of the Colonial Department, I
why Captain Barclay was so crippled in his means .
, Insight be her father. If this be true, the slighting precludes the necessity of ,animadversion on our'
,
Mr. CROKER replied, that the Colonial Decant- i manners imputed to NAPOLEON teraids the late part upon the topics to ensply &tossed In %Mil
event gave the earliest information to Government of 1 Queen of Peussza, are to be very kindly re.. Houses The changes on the Continent., canteen "v.'
the preparation of the Americans on the lakes; but I paid by the Royal Widower's taking BONA. plated at *c agent with so much anxiety, • and the~
the affair on lake Erie took place Wore Govern- rairres wife to his arms. Is
this an arrange- eaursa•ef :ate convulsions which have shook the;
went could send a sufficient force to that quarter. •
Mr. BARlNG.—Before the money is voted, a meat of the Ladies" Congress or of the Gentlemen's? European fabric of power and civilsociety, litilist
are
great deal of information will be required with The new Constitutions of the Germanic States are eloquently reviewed by the Marquis of LanscitateicV
re-
spect to the conduct of the Admiralty. The Hon. submitting to the august Assembly. Nuremberg is whose comprehensive mind' embraces thr future ati;
Secretary bad stated, that the Admiralty bad eothing to be the seat of the Germanic Confederation. A well as the past. We cordially•
coincide with this