The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-01-11 00:00:00

LONDON, nintifPit JANtiARY 11, 1821.

" The Cavite for which HAMPDEN jell in the Field, ant RYDNET died on the Seafold!"

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RENFREIV COUNTY MEETING.
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were two rouses which operated in• keeping pure the
Inman nsiod--one was internal approbation, and the
ether vele the good opinion of our superiors. .Now,
he Inlaid tbit no address or no Ministry wonld ever
be *bleb extinguish the former ; but he thought that
pasmges like those in the address moved by the ho-
nottrabit News, did tend. to reb the people of the
good opinieo of their superiors, and tints to diminish
the excitements to order and virtue. Loyalty mast
be estimated by truth. Public opinion, which in a
free conntrv, supports every thing, is totally adverse
both ID the men and system of the present Admisd-
atoatioNs. And if t!-Is truth be net. stated, the geor e.
mos who t:)oefalievabost aosivor for thevoneeenenemt.
(Hear, hear.) Calls of " Vote, Address or Amend-
ment." The learned gentleman sat down, by support-
ing the amendment."

Professor JEfFIRR, of Glasgow, listened to the
which had fallen from the Member fur the
County, and was happy to find the language not
merely fluent, but expressive of great depth of thought.
lie differed, however, totally, both from the sentiments
and manner of the last speaker. They had both en-
deavoured to throw all the blame on the devoted
heads of the Ministers of his 3lajesty.—(Symptonts
of disapprobation.)
lArd SCCCOTII said, that such a noise was quite
irregular, and that they must be turned out if it be
continued.
,89th sides omit bwatlerwed to state titer
opinions frerly.—(Near, hear.)Mr. CeNlittliAllE rose, and stated, that of all men
Dr. Jeffery was the hest entitled to be heard, as nut
long ago he had insisted that the same riLht should
be given to a gentleman who had opposite opinions
from his own.

Lord coma. e begged leave to submit to the meeting
a few dhservations on the two addresses. When the
first one was read, he hoped that it won't!' have been
unanineirs!y adopted ; and he could not have antici-
pated any difference of opinion. There was nothing
*sill is this first address, ..vhether one set of measines
ought to be adopted or not, and no approbation ex-
pressed of his Majeity's present Ministers. Ills Lord-
ship stated, that Mr. Speirs, of Eliterslie, had misun-
derstood his espressions. lie never said that Mr.
Speirs would pronounce any inflammatory apeeches.—
His interest in the country,- and his good sense, would
render thatimpoesible ; lint any person who encouraged
large convocations, could never he perfectly aware of
what nii;rht be the nature and tone of the proceed-
ings. Ile was most 1. iendly to Air. Speirs, and bad
the highest regard for him.—(Mr. Speirs here said
that he was satisfied.)-1 be Learned Lor-I then oh-
served, that the first address, from which he now in-
tended to read some passages, was cuucheil in lan-
guage so moderate, that he hoped it would have pre.
vented all discusaion.—(clear. hear :)—Ltientlemeo
might differ as to the conduct of the present Amittainis-
trution. It was s fair subject for difference of opinion,
and might be most coaseientiously maintained; bat
there vves nothing in this address which contained any
opinions upon that salo:iect. The only question now be-
fore them was, whether it was our duty, iu the pre-,
pent perilous times, to send up a lova( and iltififol ad-
dress to his Ma;eaty ? lie had seldom seen any ad-
dress so ma:termite. No perann surely could objet to
du ill that this address asked. It merely call d upon
the mese.aing to support the King in his ronstittiti.:nal
authority.—(His Lordship here read a passage from
;he beginning of the address to the mauve import, anti
did not read the insinuations against the tatess and
kOreliy .( it. people ; but iseesel ewer, that pill of
it where economy is recommended.)—.This address,
said his Lordship, farther recommend to his Majesty
economy anti conciliation ; it alludes with deep concern
to the extent of our national burdens—it says, that
" the British crown is field in trust for the people,".—
it prays that those burdens may he reduced which fall
heaviet on some of the people, bnt press severely on
all. These burdens, he thotteht, ought to be reduced
as far as possible fur the safety of the country ; but we
were not to go the length of endangering it. Econ..:
niv, which has always been a favourite subject with
souse of the gentlemen near him, is included within
the address, and strongly recommended. Ile now
thought that he bad read every part of it.—(Lord
Succoth laid it down on the table.)— He must admit,
that Mr. Maxwell, the Member for the county, was a
very fit and proper person to have been consulted with
is preparing the address : hint he was sure that no per-
sonal feelings would enter into the mind of that lion.
person. Mr. Maxwell, hawever, did admit last
year, that there was a dangerous spirit, such as it was
necessary to take mut asures to repress. Ilia Lordship
did not contend that that spirit existed now to the
same extent: but he cannot carry his ideas the length
of belie% ing that it is altogetbee extinenisleal. 'I his
county was now bt tter than it had been but it was
not to be expected that these catching and dangerous
doctrines could at once be eradicated.—(Year, hear:)
Altl it he was willing to adm:t that there were only
a few busy in exciting sedition and Idaspheaty. vet he
thought that the exertions of those few might he dan-
gerous, anti that all ought to take effectual measures
to repress that spirit. " Now, let us turn to the ad-
dresses which have been presented to her Majtoy."--
(Bear, sear!)--Of her guilt or innocence he would
not venture to speak, as he had not read the evidence.
But he knew that a great her of tho-e who had
voted against the second and third readings did not du
it upon the ground of her inaorence, but on acconut
of the mode of trial adopted. The Queen has been
made a point to bring out the diaconteut„ and it can-
not be disputed that that use has been made of the trial
by violent and disaffected uersons. In the letter from
Sir M. S. Stewart, a person whose private virtues and
public opinions all know and value, and whose abili-
ties claim for his opinions the highest consideration ;
this able and patriotic gentletnan expressly says, that
there is mischief lurking at present in this country.—
, •:e spoke, therefore, upon no light authority. when lie
rested upon the statements contained in that letter,
where the excellent and worthy Baronet speaks of that
spirit and of the mischievous addresses to the Queen
in the same language as he was now using. But the
addresses to the Queen were not all. Ile most look
also to the answers which have been made to these ad-
dresses. They are of the Sallie description with the
addresses, anti of time moat ilangswons and improper ,
nature, and such as he could not possibly approve of. 1
I look to these addresses and answers, and I, said the
Learned Judge, am convinced, that the till of the
Queen has been tagged to the spirit of disaffection, in
order to rake lip that spirit, and bring it again into
operation. It has been said that this address had
been got up to support a tuttering administration.--7
But where do the gentlemen find in this address any
expression of approbation or disapprobation of his
Majesty's lutiSters.:—(lleart bear :)—Aod the gen-

Dr. JarrcaT now proceeded, and apprehended that
Ministers were nor to blame for the present state of
the country. Ministers were not surely to he blamed
for entering into the war with France. At Paris it
heal been announced that they were at war with all
kings and governments, and that they must employ
their armies beyond the frontiers, niherwise they
would be turned upon themselves. On the 3d Feil
brnary, 1793, France first declare', war a7ainst fireat
Britain, and Britain was thus forced in self defence
to arms against the enormous power .4 Vrance. The
expence of this long contest had been heavy, but he
contended, that Slinsters had dune their wutost to
stop the war—the canse of that heavy expense, lint
this had been tried in vain even by the very party
who are now so forward in their accusations gf a pro-
fligate expenditure. Lord Lauderdale had tried it,
and had been sent upon an embassy for peace. But
he was not admitted to the ti:st minister, far less to
linonaparte, who left Paris without seeing. Lord Lau-
derdale. His Lordship returned and was very gene-
rally laughed at. lie contended, therefore, tivit the
enormous expence of carrying on this war was the
price of tke salvation of our I.lterties, properties, and
lives.—(hear, hear.) 31ini,te:s Lad shown their
wish to economise, by strit.ing nil 17 millions of
taxes, by reducing the army na►y, which many
thought to be too far reducell—(langhter); and by
abolishing several sinerure glare..—(Hear, bear.)
They could nut indeed east oti holders of places by
patent, but they had searched every corner to find out
places that might be reduced.—(Hear, hear.) He did
think that we could nut say novli a!iont the Queen :
that business was not rot inialcd,'and awn wail sal

yet make up their opinion. Ile mow thought that lie
hail answered all the arguments that had as yet been
brought forward. and he woul.l give place to ot:icrs
who might have something more valuable an say.
Mr. SPEIRP, -of Elderslie. etplained, that it was
not the Ilietistty who took off !! e 17 millions, but the
people Armagh their representaiives, of whom he Was
then one.—(Cries of "Question.")

Mr. It. G. tirains, Atlrorat.•, said, that he would
not willingly have obtruded himself upon the meet-
ing. but he could not thi:ik of leaving his character
open to any inproper'intinnations, ht• giving a silent
rote on the question now before the meeting. He
viewed the address 6:st read not as a mere declare-
ration of our attarhment to the monarchy and consti-
tution, but as support to tae present administration,
by charging the people with offences which were not
true, and of which no proof was hroneht. He was
no opponent to diat part of our constitution—the
monarchy—which hinds and cements the rest toge-
, ther. He should be happy at all time.; to express Ms
attachment to the king• and constitution; but he
thought it hut a poor compliment to the constitution,
that wilt-never it• excellencies and glories were
named, the disloyalty :srl sedi•ion of the people who
keep it up, should be uniformly added.—(Hear, hear.)
The people who were now abesed and charged with a
tendency to swell a di-lo al au•l seditious opinions, or
to be tinkled by the tolchers of these doctrines, are
the people who las ished their litooil during the war
to which the learned professor had alluded, in defence
of their king and conntrc. Has this loyalty and at-
tachment to their cotrr;r vanished into an empty
none? Ile saw no reasons for entertaining such au
opinion. It was said that there were teachers of sedi-
tion and blasphemy among the people, but in what
district did they ply thtir art, and where were their
&flowers ? It was well kn.ovn that there existed no-
thing of that sort, and no person iti this meeting
could prove that there did. Even supposing that
there were teachers and hooks of the terrible de-
scription alluded to, I think, said the learned gentle-
man, that the goal sense of the inhabitants of this
country is such as to enable us to congratulate each
other that they are not to be misled by the basvitt
falshoods or the grossest immoralities.—(llear, hear.)
lint I may be here asked the question—ls there no
discontent in the country ? Ido not deny the exist-
erne of diacontent, but I assert (and I appeal to all
who now hear me) that is only discontent with the
ministry. And in any Lanrbl.• opinion discontent with
the measures of his Majesty's .Ministers argues at-
tachment to the king and constitution of the coun-
try.—(Loud cries of hear, hear, hear.) A Juryman,
in ally ordinary case. must have evidence before he
can declare that the charge is proved. But it seems,
that in the important question of informing the Sove-
reign of the state of the conntry, the people, are to
be accused without an;• proof at all. We must have
evidence, indiridu ,Is must d: Blare wit it they know,
or we shall be in the situation of peijitreil jurymen.
Ile did not deem it necessary ta follow the learned
Professor into the origin of the French war ; though
the commencement of that war arose more from the
dispute, whether Mr. Chantrelin was to be enceierd as
the Ambassador of the people of Freese, than from
the reasons which the !canted Pmfeesot bare. There