The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-01-29 00:00:00


Mr. WM. COURTENAY observed, that thy
Member, of the Commission, whose Report had hese
adverted to by the lien. and Learned Gentleman;
Lied felt It their duty to ascertain, as far as they amid,
the value of the respective Juvenile°, submitted to
them. What might be the weight of the opinion
which they had formed and delivered, It was not for:
Mot to say. The lion. and Learned Gentleman,
however, had a little misconceived the Report of the
Cosansiasinwere. They bad been folly aware Mgt
their Report most create touch disappointment. it was
clear thee the ingenious projectors of whose plans
they had net been able to approve, were likely to
think lb* seven Commissioners rather than themselves
Its be its the wrong. But the Commissioners were
also aware, that the longer the Public were kept in
ignorance of their opinion, the longer would these
intlivideels be kept in a stole that most tend to
increase the disappointment when it arrived. Itt
chat view of the 'object, the Commissioners, sme-
lts** ao far to make a Report of their proceedings,were
nevertheless unable to state folly the result, which
they hope ere long to dn. In the Repast which the
Cummisionera had made, he agreed with the Iles.
and Learned Gentleman. thet they had median/oar
calculated so show the liouse and the Country, that
the desired object was not so easy of attainment se
by some it was supposed to be. And this they were
the more solicitous to do, because the belief had bees
fostered throughout the country, that nothing bet
the grossest ignorance and negligence on the part of
the Directors of the Rank of England, could have
prevented the adoplinn long ago of some scheme by
which the evil complained of might have been risme.
died. They owed it to the Hesse end the counts."
to state, that not ono of the plans presented could
bet adopted with solid advantage to the Public. It was,
he conceived, his duty to state that opinion ; -hot the
Commission at the same time felt it their duly to distin •
goish particularly some of the pr..jeets which were
jatesented to them. It WU wooed in the Report, that
not more than nine of the projects deserved in he
more particularly mentioned. Many of the On,
certainly possessed very great merit. The degree of
talent which had been displayed was very great in-
deed. Several of the plans of individuals, both of
this country and abroad, and store particularly of
the limited Sta.es of North Americo, po eel very
estraordinary merit. Re could only say, that all the
snrcimeos had been minutely considered. •Ose greet
fallacy ruts through the papers recommending parti.
cuter plans. Some of the plans- required the use of
estensive meachimery, end the notes so produced mold
sot be eaecateel to the same intent and with the game
nicety by a similar application of machinery. The
Commission were satisfied that some degree of nicety
end extent of esecation, and in the same time, weld
sot be produced by any other means se well as by
that 'machinery ; bat the Gentlemen alluded to bad
forgotten that the notes produced by this machinery
costs] be insteated Is smaller somber and is a greeter
space of time, with sock a degree of Pigsty es to do.
C.PIII. the Public, by very inferior aeons. They might
be produced to an inferior extent with sufficient fa-
cility to answer the purpose of the forger. Is their
ansiely not to raise the hopes of the country he..
yrind deo limits, the Commission bud trod leisgt.
which might appear to saute ratter dlseusereg*,
It was cell-el/11y not their inteatlos to dieeoseele lb°
bops that such an improvement might be rafted s
would be attended with a very heneficiti regelt-4m
• meant thet such notes might &la produced ge it would
be very digestt to imitate, ht such a manner as to
deceive the Peblic. He agreed with bin lion. Friend,
*nil he treated the Public would ge along with them,
that nothing waste bet expected free any secret pre-
cise.. Several of the projects possessed great tootle;
bat of these Olt Committees had selected one for the
purpose of making esperiments on it. They had
selected one which they considered a greet improve.
. meet, but they thought that improvements might be
made on the best plan. Since the Report bad been
given in, the result which the • Croomission antici-
pated bad been nearly penalised. Its. Decry that a
eubstitete stied 'sally be discovered for the pretest
system, widget would reader Forgery impoosible, had
no foundation In troels. Bet he did believe, that, on
• the adoption of that plan on which esperiesents were
.sew making, Forgery would be rendered inthshely
moos difficult than it now wee.—[Nees, hew!] .
Mr. TIERNEY aeld, if he oodersiood the lin.
Wearable and learned Gentlemen correctly, the sub.
Manes of what he said was—that though some im-
provements on the relating system had bees presented
to the Cominiesion, yet so projects bad been pre.
meted to that body which allowed them to erstertain
any thing mote than a hope that some davits might
be bit open which ,scald render the crime of Fnegery
infinitely mere difficult. That he tee k to be the
whole amount of whet had fallise boo the Hoe. and
lessened Gentlemen. He wished to kern frees his
when they might *epee the ultimate °Titoism of the
Commission op the etteeriments they were sew mak-
ing—whets they weighs espied something mere defiette
on. the subject than mere hope. it was inatetrial that
tSe CoOnnil tee should report whether they kid dimly a
hope, or w hetker they bad something more then a hope,
that thy crime of Forgery could net be trommitted with
the stone 'misfit? us iteteleforo. Witestmer that for-
tunate resift wegottaitsed, he sheeted be4stappy to learn.
He wished, therefore, to a* the Itonostable end
Lettered Gentleman when they esielseespeet the Leta-
invoication of the melt of the eapetiments of the
Commission ? •
Mr. COURTgNAY sail, many of the 11110aini#1111
1111011/0 to the Commission, possessed very great me-
tit, and were i:1 theinseives an improvement en the
existing system ; but it bad bees reggested by a Mem-
ber of the Casesiseion, who was at the same time a
Member of that House, that any of the plans might
be very much improved by combisatioe. The type-
assent which had been suggested, was now la pro.
gross. They bed every maim to believe that the ide-
provement in the form of the Note, combined with
the improvement in the paper which bed been fog.
Bested, would render imitation estteenele d4clll.
Tbe paper was now making by a paper.niaker of
great skill. In a month's time, he had ao doubt, a
Note would be produced of sects a form, as to Joe.
tify them is recommending Its adoption, said which
would render furter y ratrentely difficelt.
Mr. NIA NNI NG said a few words is a very hag-
dible voice. We aederstood his to say that a definite
opinion might he expected ratio/ earlift.—Tbe mire
tie,. Was tbee agreed to.