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gross dentition. The only inquiry remaining was, if
the cdetree di the proceedings was not, under all cirtutn-
siaseeti, the wisest ? fitter considering all the evils that
had resulted from them, and having. had experience of
what they w ere calculated to produce, be wee persuaded
that in waking the choice of evils,;the selection was, on
the whole, that the most likelyto attain the ends of jus-
tice.--(Heat 0 i
—and on his conscience he believed it to
be as favourable to the Queen as any which could have
been adopted.—(Hear, front the Opposition.)—As
fientlemen challenged, by cheering This opinion, he
would briefly state why he preferred the Bill of Pains
and Penalties. Ile took it for granted that it was con-
ceded to him there could be but two ways of proceed-
ing—by a Bill of Pains and Penalties, or by linpescb-
ment. If the latter .had been chosen, a Committee of
that House must have decided on rtparte evidence,
and the house most have voted, aye or no, on the charges
pieced before it. The prejudices thus raised against the
accused must have operated for the long interval which
must elapse before she could have entered on her Justi-
fication, which would have been infinitely worse than
any thing of the kind which bad been complained of in
the other mode. He also doubted if an Impeachment
could have been maintained. ss here the person with whom
tbecrime was charged to have been committed, was not a
subject of tl:e realin,and the place of its committal was be-
yond the jurisdiction of the kingdom. Harty doubt existed
ontliiipoint, so as to warrant the supposition that it might
lead to a technical inqnittal ; it was a entficient reason
for not proceeding he impeachment. The Bill of Pains
and Penalties, be repeated, was favourable to the ac-
cused; for no man would credit that any P. fr in Par-
liament could be ao bass as withhold from her the benefit
of ally doubt in that siede which he would hare extended
to bet. in impeachment. But if impeachment had been
adopted, would it not bare been necessary for the purpose
isedivorce and degradation to follow it by a Bill like
that which had been resorted to in the first Instance ?
On these ground', he was decidedly in favour of the pro-
ceedings as they bad been instituted- With respect to
the general argument, it even an es post facto law could
be at all authorised, it surely mint be to sisit such cringes
as were clearly &titled by the laws of God and by the
Lies of the realm, to meet such a ease as ibis of the
Queen of Ligland—(hear)--which was one of great
State necessity. If any thing could justify a departure
from the usual course of Administration, it existed here.
Never, theiefore, was there a greater necessity, though
the Hon. Geutleumn had heard no word of it, never was
there a greater necessity titan to prevent adultery and
II;gh Trea being iustalled on the Throne. But the
Honourable Gentleman had told them there was no
(longer to the succession in the crime, and that
ii committed, it was in the midst of the Mediter-
ra:itan. If be believed the crime had been committed
a: all, did lie think it lessened the danger of
bolding it up as an example to all that graced Bri-
tain in its female character—did he thick it weakened
the argument, was that it committed in one place rather
titan in another ? It was no matter to him (Mr. Peel,)
and be held it to be of utter indifference to morality and
to the country. Ministers then, in their offer to the
Queen, and in their agreeing to the wishes ot the House
ot Commons, appeared so fer from having been actuated
be a base desire fur office, to have made a sacrifice of
their personal feelings, and almost of their own consis-
tency in order to at old the necessity for that exposure
of which they were now accnseil. —(Hear, hear.)—The
same motive clad led to the offers afterwards made to her
a bids be could not characterize as unwise but as insfor-
tunate. Ministers bad adopted the lesser evil. They
bad every reesou, *hid' a knowledge of the human mind
and of the cumnion rules of lmat' action could give, to
1-..elieee that their sellers would be accepted ; and could he
tow turn round, instructed by events, and censure them
tor doing that, the coeirequences of widcli no man could
Lave foreseen. Would those who most blamed the dis-
clo.urea that hail been made, also blame the Government
for the exertians they bad wade to avoid !belie—(cleer.)
Ile had thus stated his opinions without any object but
jtv:tice and without cotumnnicating with others. He
nod also delivered them without reference to the appeals
to the public. Never had he heard so much adjurations
so look out of the House; never so many forewarnings,
many ausuacee.—(Hear. hear.) But he was not to he
!moved by such considerations, and the House would
do well to form dirty, judgments on their .own minds,
and without regard to other impressions, to give their
.uses honestly.—(llear, bear.) Nothing could so en-
tirely destroy the legislature as their trembling in every
breath of popular air—(Hear.)—as their balm's:lug loyal
addresses against addresses of another description.—
(llear)—as their attempting to adopt the opinions of
the public without reference to the intrinsic merits of
the questions before them. Keels if they tried to acconi-
mullet" themselves to this test, they would find it a diffi-
cult thing to determine precisely what public opinion
orally was. They would find it to be most fickle, most
'inconstant, and most ungrateful.—(hear.) Fickle and
imconstant, for public opinion would not be the same at
the end of three or six mouths : ungrateful, for if they
studiously consulted what the multitude believed under
impression of passion and not of reason, public opinion
would be the firstlto turn round against them.—(clear.)
But if he professed an utter disregard to that public opi-
Inuit *lnch the political advisers of her Majesty had
caused and relied on—to that public opinion which I
would itself change if appealed to, when sober, frow its
own intoxication ; and if he utterly disregarded such
popular sentiments as these adviser, instilled (and when
speaking of the Que's:, Answers to Arbil-eases, lie made
slims antes for their intemperance on account of her un-
happy situation), it was because they emanated from the
arts not only of the fatal enemies to the peace of the
conntyy, but the greatest enemies of the queen herself.
He believed, too, that a great change had taken place in
public opinion, and that it would be ultimately and tie-
citledly in their favour, if they were not too anxious to
form their deliberations to its will, but on conscientious
- suotivee.—(Loud cheering.)
Lord NLGENT considered the language that bad
been used towards the Queen as most ungenerous, and
declared upon his honor, that he believed her to be innocent
of every part of every charge against her as supported
by the evidence. He denied that the Queen had been
convicted, as stated by the Hon. Member for Surrey.
There was one question of importance which lie was de-
sirous of putting : namely, what reparation could be
made to the Queen for the gross libels which bad ap-
peared against her? He then called the attention of the
blouse to a libel which had lately been published of the
most dangerous character. In the course of an inns-
tigatiun of the evidence, the publisher bad dared to
state, over and over again, the name of the highest au-
thority, namely, the Lord Chancellor. lie alluded to a
pamphlet, entitled, "The Speech °film Lord Chancellor."
The writer ought to have known that the Lord Chan-
cellor himself would have been liable to a prosecution
for libel had he used the wortls imputed to him. He
was sure if the Noble Lord opposite was aware of
the existence of the libel alluded to, the Noble
Lord would pursue it with the intention of bring-
ing the offender within the reach of law. He
should vote for the,motion of his Noble Friend.
Lord MILTON was anxious to make a few observations
ens the speech of the Hight Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Peel.)
Hr could not avoid thinking the Right Hos. Gentleman
bad failed in making out the ease he wished .to make.
The right HoolGentleman warned persons not to attend
to public opinion to the support of his own arguments;
but wbsttever the Right Hon. Bentienias might say on
that subject. it was dear that opinion is favour of the
Queen bad hoes as warmly given is every part of the
kingdom, that it was impossible for Represessatiess to
mistake tbs selldataill of their Coastitersts. The

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Right Hon. Gentleman had said. his Majesty's Minister'
were at last pieced upon the high ground of experience ;
yet he believed they knew the "widener they bad to offer
before the proceedings in the House of Lords. If that
was so, they did not want experieuce at the commence-
meta of the accusation. Since the conclusion of
the Queen's trial, he had solemnly entertained an
opinion that her Majesty was not guilty. Before
the trial he was disfnaed to give support to the accusa-
tion, believing that the Queen really was guilty, and
that it was necessary to drive front the. Throbe adultery
and immorality. The result had proved his first view
was erroneous. The introduction of the Divorce Chump
proved the misconduct of Ministers. They knew that It
could not be agreed to, and lie aught ask whether there
could he a stronger manifestation of immorality than tbe
act of introduciug a divorce into a case wherein no indi-
vidual could fairly ask fur a divoree ? This was the ge-
neral charge be brought against Ministers; lint he was
prepared to contend that they ought to have proceeded
by impeachment. That course would have }sort the
Queen the benefit of a verdict, declaring her guilty
not guilt: ; but notwithstanding her Majesty -had
acquitted under the operatiion of the Bill of Pains and.
Penalties, there was still a disposition to consider bee
guilty. The Noble Lord supported the motion for renseve.
Mr. 11. TWISS, in a maiden speech, most strenuously
opposed the motion. The occurrence with respect to the
Queen had brought Members of Parliament to sort of
scrutiny, and he might have consirlcred it sufficient to
give his mere vote on the plain question ; hut when the
subject of discussion n es, whether the House bhoul4 do
something to lead to :he expulsion of Minieters, and iin
pute to them offensive conduct, be could out remain si-
lent.—(Hear, hear, !marl—This was the first time be
had presented himself to the House, and on that account
he presume:l the cheering wits friendly. With that im-
pression he should. proceed. He then observed, that
Isbell the measure as:minutia character offensive to manly
and honest feeling, it would be unjust to Ministers not
to oppose it. The original rjeestion about the Liturgy
was raised not by the (it en herself, fur whom sa much
sympathy-was claimed, hut cettaiti persons who wished
in the present instance to profit by the wrong they them-
selves had committed. 'file advisers of the Queea at the
commencement of the proceeding againsther,neveronce
thought it worth while to mention asa rrievaneethe omis-
sion of her nan,rin the Li";rgy. Muth had twee said about
the witnesses for the Queen, but it ought to be remem-
bered tl•at the chain was broken—several &rhino appear
—consequently it was micertain whether contradiction
might have occurred; hut he did not detiy‘ notwith-
standing the peculiar circumstances attending the trial,
that the Queen was entitled to a full discussion of the
case. It was generally admitted tied the Queen's con-
duct was suspicious, awl whilst there was suspicion,
could the 31inis:-rs stand quietly looking on, without
intent tepee? If they hail not interfered, would nothing
have ',evil said about Ministerial pusillanimity? Upon
the w dole view of the vase, Ministers had dune their
ditty, and the party accesed ought to he cleared before
she was reinstated to the rights and immunities which
beloyged to the character of Queen. 1./11 what uew dis-
coverydiil the framers of the mouth cast censure on
Nlinisteis ? Did it follow because the proceeding was
witlidrawu? If so, 1 at would become of prosecutors in
all cases of suspicion. The only question before the
lloic.e was this—Could any loan say, upon the evidence
laid before the House of Lords, that the prosecution
was wholly inexpedient? Beim e lie rat down, he
nislied to say a few words re peeling the Bill of
Pains and Penaltiet:. Ma: • Gentlemen were dis-
posed to consider that r unconstitutional. lie
was batillieli it was a Constiloti.in4l proceeding, and
that no impeachment have laid. Here the Hun.
and Learned Hentleman cited oreeteel legellinottlsorkies
in support of his assertion. Advertidg again to the ex-
pression of popular feeling, he considered the Gentle-
men opposite him the real cause of the disquiet in all
parts of the kingdom. The Iltoi. Sir Robert Wilson
then ruse, amidst loud cries of " question, question,
adjourn, adjourn,"—at length.
Mr. UKEf HENN l' said. Oat many Gentlemen
were desirous of delivoring their sentiments, and as
there was no prospect of ending the debate that night,
it was better to adjourn. He according moved,
„That further debate ou this question be adjourned to
this day."
Lord L'ASTI,EIt EAU! if there was any prospect
of finishing the debate at that sitting, it would be best to
go on. If Goode:nett wanted the opportunity to speak,
it would have been more consistent that they adjourned
at an earlier hour.
Here some Members eaclaireed, go lin, while others
called homily for ailjoiirtiment.
The SPEAKER put the question, and the subsequent
motion to adjourn, which was agreed to without a
division.
The House accordingly adjourned at one o'clock.

rill HE CEDED COLONlES.—Speedily will be
IL published. 'l'llE ADMINISTRATION of lIRITIRH
LAWS in FOREIGN COLONIES. now, by Cessioo, be-
e. me permanent Dominions of the United Kingdota:—
yltrwn to be in violation of the fundamental laws of the
Realm, and the execution of them, exposing all persons con-
rernetl therein 19 a perilous ruspotiOiility.—By I. CLAY-
TON JENNINGS. Banister at Law ; late Fiscal and
Crown Prosecutor in the Colonies of Desierara and Essequi-
bo.—Demoostro sills ; toilits &nand° sum; arum removete.
Cie. Oa.:—Nothing is plainer than that all the Subjects of
Nhe Realm have a right to the I,r ws and Constitution.—" Sir
JOSEPH Jilts' Plantations err Colonies of this
Realm of England, and are part of their Dominions, and
the Inhabitants are within the King's allegiance, and sub-
ject to the Laws of Eagland.—C t. Purl.

HUGH WATXI4 AT LONDON 'MIDGE io-nototow.
Morning, 13 lain. after S.—Evening, 66 Mil,. after 6.

PiMrs ar STocas Tlll4 DA AT TWELVE O'CLOCi..-.
Reduced 73111—Consols 71M3-4 per Cents. 044-4 per
Ceuln.kii“—Consols for Account 74 3.

LONDON:

TVI:FDAI EVENING, FEBRUARY 6, 1819.

Paris papers to the 4th instant arrived this morning.
A stormy discu<sion took place in the Chamber of De-
puties on Friday. It originated in a projet of law re-
lative to juries, being proposed by the Sieur AIPIN.
Faxscu Ft*NDS—Fire per Cents. 82f. 35c. ; Bank
Actions, 1490 f.
The Fr.mch t liambers have gone through the parade
of taking up Addresses to the King, expressing their
indignation at the late harmless (*plosions, and their de-
termination to rally round the throne and frustrate the
machinations (not of the ultras) of the
The king was exceedingly touched at this proof of their
attachment. The- investigation of the &plosion Plot
has led to the following singular event. stated is the
Mmitert. Suspicion fell up*n an individual awned
Metres, sad a warrant was issued against him. He was
apprehended os Thursday, is a cabriolet, and brought
to the PrefectUre of Police. Whilst passing through a
narrow corridor into the Ace when his motiaatiou
was to take place, he sedodonly drew fortit a razor,

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which brhad concealed in his bosom, enthis throat, and
expired in an instant. His papers were taken from his
person.
We are obliged to postpone till to-morrow, the inser•
tion of a private letter from our Paris Correspondent.
In a postscript lie says ; a note to the following effect
has recently been found in the toilet of the Duchess de
Berri " Vows Gov: belo fern P, mats rows serterew tows."
Nevem , hey also infotn.s us is supposed to hare been a
disappointed speculator in the fonds.

EITRACT O A LETTER ERRS! TORT-AC-PRINCE, DEC. 18.
Coffee is now plenty, and the average price of last
week has brrn 33 sons per pound. or 23 dollars per
1601bs. on board. We are inundated with all de-
scriptions of American produce. Ten American
vessels have entered the harbour principally with
provisions. The North and South are now united, and
the army is all returning home with President Hover.
,Every thing is tranquil. The Empress and Madame
Dessalines yesterday entered the town in captivity. They
were sent by the President on board one of the Repub-
lican vessels from the Cape. They are treated witL
respect by the people, but in tuture will be considered
as simple citizens.

The motion of the Mai qui% of Tsvisiore last night
in the House of Commons, for ascertaining the sense
of the House on the comitiet of Midisters, in the late pro-
ceedings against the QMEN, was considered of such
high importance, that after its subjects were discussed
till near one u.clerk in the morning, the debate
was adjourned till the nest meeting, to-day. What-
ever he its effect on Ministers, we trust the dis-
cussion will he benefit ial to the cause of her MA-
JESTY and of the couutry. It gives occasion to
the Mettibors to speak out, and enables the people to
judge betueen the friend i and the enemies of public
Whatever can he advanced against the QUEEN.
must of course he brought forward to justify the pro-1
ceedings now Um question ; and to what does the whole
amount, but to that hearsay evidence, which was,
as every body knows, spread abroad with so touch
industry and expense upon the Continent, and which
was calculated to impress such minds as Mr. Howes:
Sustrett's and Mr.STt'AtLT WORTLEY'S, or others which
were predispose.' in favour of the aversions of Ministers
and Courts ? Even the whole of these reports, on the
sliming of the Ministers, were not conclusive on their
own minds ; for instead of assuming the pound of
conviction as a plea fur their proceedings, which they
undoubtedly would have stated if they consistently could,
they only plead coniptilsion front the measures of the
QL7LE N. in having adopted those steps which
they placed her under a moral necessity of taking,
for the purpose of confronting her accusers, and
vindicating her character awl rights. Bet dues the
conduct of the Ministers correspond with that reluct-
ance, and that tenderness which they uow assume ?
not the whole proceedings appear to be directed less
by a regard for the interests of morals and justice,
than by a spirit of persecution? Can the vexatious
Astarte* he forgotteu which were opposed to her
defence in the progress of the enquiry, or the vindic-
tive and scandalous reflections with which she is con-
tinually assailed since the untenable charges against
her have been compelled to be withdrawn? Cau conduct
such as this on the part of the Ministers be expected to
excite no resentment in a high minded melon ; and
shall that resentment correctly founded, and justly
as well as forcibly expressed, be treated with
contempt It was the object of one of the ablest
advocates of Ministers last night, to shew that
these expressions of the general sentiment were
unworthy of regard. " Public opinion," it was al-
ledged, nuuld shew itself in the end, to be a fickle,
inconstant, and ungrateful voice," and a great change
was prognosticated to be about to take place on this
subject. Every effort has been, and will doebtless con-
tinue to be wade to effect the change foretold. The
means are now visibly at work. The peupk are ap-
prized of the arts employed, and will, we are convinced
gnarl against them. The enemies of the people
know not the present extent of popular knowledge,
or the present firmness of the national mind.
We despair nut of our country ; but are daily
more and e convinced that the public feeling now
excited, which courtiers affect to despise, will never
cease to act till it makes every British Statesmou who
regards the interests ot justice and the nation, become a
practical Reformer.

It has been stro4.tly reported in the city this
morning, that a Privy Council was held at
twelve o'clock, and that the Liturgy Question
formed the psitu:ipal solsioes of esswersitosiow--Mt
opinion is gewereiey entertained that the Queen's
name will be speedily restored to the Liturgy. We
know not npon what foundation this opinion rests,
hut w strongly ilia it prevail yesterday. that it was
meowed a message to that effect would be received
by the House of Commons in the course of the debate.
What we stated yesterday evening relative to the
Royal visits to the Theatres is confirmed. The Ring
has been pleased to signify his intention of going to
Drury Lane this present evening, and to Covent
Garden to-morrow. His Maiesty is expected each
night. we understand, about nine o'clock.
It is worthy of attention that the Committee of Sup-
ply, consisting► only of 57 Members, voted 37,296,5191.
for the payment of Exchequer Bills and other purposes ;
and also 11,950,1100/. for the pay anti maintenance ut
22.000 seamen and marines. If the pecnniary grants
,re to be made in this :winner, with empty benches, 11
to 41, as, unfortunately for the country. has been too
much the case of late years, Mr. Creevy's designation
of a Committee of Supply. as a farce, may really be
observed.

Thr petition to the House of Commons, praying
that the Queen may be pat in possession of her rights,
honours and dignitirs, and to restore her name to the
Liturgy, was subscribed by upwards of 10,0011 inha-
bitantsof Edinburgh, and has been forwarded to the
Right Honourabir William Dundas, member fair the
city, to be presented by him immediately. The peti-
ties to dualisms. of Lords has been seat to the Duke
of libusiissa for rteseatatioo. It is believed that
110.100 subscribers might have been got, if the peti-
demi bad remained a few daps longer for subscription,
ss mire than 1100 persons subscribed daily.

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SPORTING IIY7'ELLICENCE.
BETTIS'G AT TITTERSALL'S. Fax. 5.
Mama .-84 to I spa Regianld-13 to 1 apt Gestaraa..
15 to 1 apt Jock--[0 to I maw Polygar.
OANS.—II to 2 asst Ms Lady-9 to 1 apt Lord Dam.
iingtoo's f.-10 to I apt Pprince—l2 to I apt Zeal—Ail
I apt Load Xgremottes f. by Octarias--100 to 6 apt Dm.
of Rutland's f.
RonoLesworrw.—S to 2 apt Reginald-3 to 1 apt 1.
oat of Selitna-9 to 2 agst c. of Mcrel.
DOM-AfiTLII ST. Lintn.--9 'n I asst Jock Spigot-1g If
I Sgst Colwell-16 to I eet My I.ad) WO to 6 apt
Handbeek-100 to 4 'gat Qt, 'ai

EDITTION IN THE NATAL ESTARLMINIENT.--41
is said that several reductions in the naval eatahl:
inents at the outports are in contemplation. Amon.;
others, report states, that the Dock-yard at Pepta,r4
is to be reduced, and no poser to be used a• a hil'a•
ing yard, but as a depot for naval stores. The Na‘al
Asylum at Greenwieh is also named as soothes q..ir,
ter in which retrenchment will be adopted, by t: ►;4l
charge of the Gore: nor and all the other OlE:ersi
while the establishment of the children of seauuni and
marines is to be transferred to (ireenoirli hospital
and the building which is now il:ed as the Aeglun, •
be appropriated to the IN:rival *ol jeer, to he removed kom
Portsmouth. he state of thr Navyand the floral k-
yards not requiring a continnatice of the present exec.
tions therein, a reduction has been ordered to be curie
in the rates of pay to Cie workmen, to commence
Moodily neat. The Lords of the Ailmirslty, we
tier:Ruud, have thus determined on cffecting the neces-
sary reduction., ratle.r than by a discharge of
men, from knowing that there is no existing means
employ out of the Dork-yawls, anal this tootle of I..t.ve.
log the public expense wouldstill Icavo them a subs:,
cure. I s there, however, no more heuevo'.ent mode Um
thiscrf reducing the expense of our navale,tabliehment
Conlol not econotny in certain branches of the hnsir
in the yards still enable the Admiralty to afford
workmen a full remove: at ion for their labour:
would out the abolition of ift.e office of one of the
Lords of the Admiralty, and a little paiiing of
cheese pairings of the higher officers in that and ei
naval departments, allow the Government to retain
thonsand seamen they are about to discharge?
reduction is always preferred among those ranks wl
murmurs can be soonest suppressed, and s here econtaly
occasions the least. national advantage and the
private sufferings. Penny-wise and pound-foolish ,
The savings out of the labourer's wages, it is Waste
will amount to 300 or .100/. a week. A similar spirit
of retrenchment begins to operate in other depart-
ments, and in another division of the kingdom, as oe
find this morning from the• following article in a
Dublin paper
RETRENCIIMENTIN PUBLIC DEPARTMENTS.

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