The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-07-27 00:00:00

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foidoce,4 irjas,„ s Walt
ekreasKinc) ? its
eosin °kW h r t in suffer consider.
'ilea was,:Xtatoltioarboy that spirit of
iide-
pendence
pport of every manly
feeling and honest principle. lie thought such a s)s.
tent' to easy talent, was altogether, in his view, en-
onitts& to any old established community, although
it might enamor in a new society, such, for instance,
es that which was about to be settled at the Cipe of
Good Hope.
[Some person., apparently for the purpose of il.
Nitrating the kind of independence which the sprialt•r
thought In so much danger, cried out " the wrath.
house, the workhouse.")
Mr. TULLIVALL explained Sir W. D. Crespignj's
sentiment as to making men machines. The general
acceptailoo of the term, if tree as 14) the effect
of Mr. Owen's plat, would destroy its character.
—Bet the reverse was tree ; Mr. Owen's plm
tended to open the minds sad invigorate all the fp.
celties of human nature. The present system of ma.
nefactories did, indeed, make men nischines in the
the vilest sense of the word. lie took the manufac-
ture of pins for en temple ; it comisird of numerous
cl* • • us of labour, the operators of which were en.
iirely distinct from, and ignorant of, any other bet
'het insignificant part whith occupied themselves
Ile did not think it a disallaintage to rintOr4 men
from this confined circle of action and knowledge,
*herein health, Intellect, and morals were all but ea.
degoished, and to place them under the controal of
anactireend intellectual impulie, whereby they would
elevate their own roodition and that of all these about
them. Ile would not determine on the practicability of
Mr Owen'• plea. But he *mild declare that it was so
excellent, that nothing bat good could result from it ;
Its very faller. in present practice wield prove useful
in other respects; It would di•p'sy, at least, Herr
means for Weeding the capacity, the sena, ant
the erjoymeets of human salute.
Mr. LiArfirr pr•poqe.l to pltn to the.
consideration of the Nl•erhig, with regard to which
he had had a eorreopon.lence will the Chancellor of
the lischeguer, and this plan us., he said, the fruit
of 40 sears of diligent aflcctioo and practical ea*.
mination.
Mr. Roircaorr, bewever, rose to order, observing
that it would UMW better to communicate lh lia.
nourabieGestlrman's plan to the Committee, as that
Meeting was asten hied to decide upon a particilar
plan, and as the business could not possibly be g .ne
through, if the IA or 30 plans, which he sodersto
neve,io the room, should be separately discussed.
Mr. BArfliT consented to withdraw his propos?.
lion, observing that he should propore as expedient
for raising the money to carry Mr. Owea's plan into
the most extensive effect within seven years.
Sir SAMUEL CLIAIL JACTIS said, that Mr. 01111.1
had been called a wild visionary ; but if he cools'
only prove that his object was attainable, his fed
would be gained. It appeared from what Mr. Row.
croft had said, that there were many other plans foe
the attainment of the store object ,• and be therefore
insisted on it, that Mr. Owen had done great good
If even nothirg mire should result from his labour,
than the investigation which bad predated all these
Oa.: Hebei* leeth.to,move, that, in perewance
la the recommendation of Cie Committee, one esta-
blishment on Mr. Owen's plan should he founded by
way of eaperiesent ; and which, It was confidently
expected, might Le attended with results equally
beneficial to the Pcblie and to the promoters of it.
Mr. C. GOUT wounded the Resolution.
Major Toaaexs rose (or the purpose of giving his
bumble support to the Resolution, avid of statiog,
at the same lime, the tales( to which be agreed with
Mr. Owe., and the reasons which induced him I. dia-
-1 sent on some points. it was gratify fog to re/eel en
the readiness with which their Roils! Chairman, and
all his Illuttrions relatives, tare their cosine:lance to
era! plan for the relief of the distressed s it was
gratif)lng to the poor, to be assured in their distress,
(but the sanction of the bighest authority would be
given to every proposal for their assistance. Nor

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itanm few say per,oral advantage to envailf. Mooing to par.' determined resolution en oppose his plan ; and the
"wr.ahell'irt..""ae lesrv.:••lnti,rn ?di.; ,1hn0....e."1.7r"..."4"..fi'i01i '7„..•••:,.....1"k1re115011 they •ssigned for this opposition was, that by
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leg.. Acting ein this rrirseiple. I min wale, that 111. Om In..Mlrs Owens plan man ass Mode 100 l'atftit a ma'
far via mo t 10. routed two elm. eu...lln.lie feint. ewer-any mint chief . • Net., be was astonished that any person
estatives a p,hull 11 eeeee if g Till it Sannnl he ireirodored interrhoolei appear it en tech a st; for,ln his opinion,
pralswe isll.iisol Nice..argiq ter.a...4 a great thane, tbrooshoot -
the dithale_.fnbrle of ...cid,. Al 11..1, many p.,5t sin sent/HS move we were machines the betterePt"'o44ll those
_pow Swill Tar elkotte• while% mow nth.. will root detrimelllttillaikehinel tree properly directed.—(4pplatess.)—
la their petiti.oler intebeses; mat. *demi am Ms' nest to's& Cad fn hi 1 b r".i." l -al we should not be turned kilo
prertion; hoe aware e..rirre and es.lirtml clew ref the seller, ~.
will ere. to ,I*.• remese their error,, 11. two, hle en/winced Onentnet. w hen oar 10sideney was thus to be direct•
ranlmerrasilli.le
.le•thela.
wthec.ll.ll.ht nis.hempit,tiarealpmealir.
inb4eirielo
smiethierie.it Le od,in the paths of morality andihraetcotiteedwe"lttiariaansnblyd
wined with ilds ow. that ghee um" 00k„,,, the weir sr, ortlitig so mac.like Otte mei .
ordeal to which they cam he pot, that n competent tegewsni infancy into the possession of knowledge, flintltif,
r:Lbelivr".• te:lherif"ltieh"l.,riltdirlit: Ploodbilep",ari.idiresee,L:riLhel and esefolness; it was thee that man less forced into
'eel"' 4" de Prose eworwore.. the satire; ~,„ he gissi • state or doriisolion. W.., it possible then for per.
foam the pubic ...hid gMr that. If reel esmoin.eion prim sons pe . ing common sense to urge an element so
theta right nod good, nor outerirar fellow creatures may
.persdhy relieved from the &tart,. which wow nverohelmoth totally disagreeing with all human etpetlenre ?
ma she cottony he pot to possessing' of ohs, coalmine Iwo, 5;.,, Every thing that was gond for man was proposed by
mPri°2"...ll,l'illii:eawih,teivhi.iimet is 'll""try'la. ealitied by iii Wletilwilla the plan of Mr. Owen ; its object was to pat aside
poverty, vice, sod misery, and to reatore the bless
" For this potpie. I rereametd that sepst..te Ceasetillee
O lweesfiestion shall be footed fr so among the plioripn ings of plenty, virtue, and happiness. Freedom, lon,
, dallada. whine interests and Mesmer now govern the isometry reveled on essential part ; it was, indeed, the very
Yearn, earl Coromietre shall report to II form Public Mee.
hip their opinion as t • the probable effects which the hawser basis of the plan. No Coe would be oblieed to ester
I should explain to the.. woo hare opera the interests of Si into the system—no man who was equal to the
.111/46* wham they were DPll"lslee I. insestieele• 'lnw ood support of himself and his family need corn. ender it.
Ile I conotry is; weking, Ile all am, for • remedy; isterrstd.
as "WI Iltatt, K. Ito. a proper sribedy far she sail 50n.,,,,k No one was required to stay in it, if, after having
Ilaia"""a 4 surely oo intlisted& trlolievere may he his math,. experienced it, be tboeght it more advantageous to
man Miceli., ar shriek froweillblr task of maptir.-. him, independent of its regulations. The project had
" Net oninin, t..prvdu on, oh,. iisit iormi, in siiiics,
opinion on the 'object. I leave ...qv prepaid en be. neadde, the best claim to attention ; it was a theory which
Oboe Geolleores abound me, who prows. setter kesonledg of
b. mat ',Ulrike id Similar rb•es. it line siwlL.e r ..1 6104. bad been pot in practice by way of esperiment,
tee
If. twee. or, ii shieriosgh insw.olsot.m. into u.e er.,l . nose one. I' hich ItsP•timmlit bad. 14 far as it went, now hero MP
now neigh. d“tie the prrpulalion 1/.• colonic, comsat kowie• evident truth. Ile adverting t• the moral elects of
Inbred ht as, of 11.• owliwory r me wmci.tiord 1.• ter•
t 0.., arc we to quo I 4.11, and • la. this -yenta', the Don. Bin. stated the strong fact, that
c re.Lii ie. pwor, lA.. tufts,. ..n.Pait7dt7bubetc.hig". - " during the II years that a tillage, estahli.hed on this
lbe peace mid 4:srel esedrr plan at Lima, Ind emitted, no criminal presets had
•• Sorely v.,: t and ef
'an' "traa'allarY been served open any one of its inhabitants. Tn•
same mot he ;mow • let stover nopt
she least oblettleast.l meafteres-.4g is, . only difficelty now in the' way was the want of money
t.. creole rontelnteior ' 4rd'ennoimia4 for carrying the system iota elect. Money could e
inerstionloss tertive
ell Petit" "stew
thiamin ;HAIM opt... raised in shuorlasice for tinnier, Or Ohhectuary wars;
"It is wi:h this vie.. ~ the Min-tine teen streets could he pulled down and rebuilt at am •nor.
Culemitte.s of iseectigeto. • of homes rlisrodent,
bet of preaimea accord.. amid tech Counotteer Moils ezpence, and the means were seldom wanting
ewer be oppoimml, II is Way Isl. • procure a otter vomit
1 for accomplishing any purpose of ostentation, however
la same citiovroleset pen or the M. moll., poi up the mdtl., useless. But ft hen Money was asked to accommodate
and, if Necessary, Oleo' doily le give it hate vet leferun'inn the distresses of the the pier of apply ing it
poor,
may he required. and MAIM each ohjealms m utast toloally -
elest lathe thiods of the deferent parties was always declared to be visionary and inspractica-
, " P"'et,"`e t fats le tee. il ie oat la, isttettlilll le /forst' lbe ble,—sot fit for the consideration of Patliameot.—
iormiNg or these repartee Cesalteees, bat la ilvfaatiato lalleal ..
to the consideration of she Meeting. mbeing the boo, Mor- tie Weald not be deterred, however, from support.
ramm of bring airmen speedy, 11.4141.1•11blaina rational settle ing soy plan likely to improve the wretched enndi•
tipioion far we ogosowttio. tomle 1 cremomorod. to gire per attest. lion of the suffering labourers. Ile would do nasty
imoellcial, productive employment to the poor end otocropied
a the stn, ling classes. thing in his power Inc the support of this Plan ; he
" Much as might be said in •Iplarliatia of .y proceedings, congratulated the Public that such a man as Mr.
asimimmee eillm•‘"Oialireadp.rele"alvinasyshosialls7hatidirk aiirelarmilr""v e,.:llll,l,l.a'ted Omen esi•ted ; and be congratulated the country that
eni.a,te 3tter *owe, I will now enorlsgei I, Miles, Too• there were individuals, as illustrious in 'sok as they
istmg these betalffilleali, b bin li WWI 111 pees spew ywor at.
teeto.n. were remarkable for their eatensiv• charities, who
boldly and generously came forward in this cause,
" Theta+ i-. Thai the eat.Ory I. in great 44.rerth
" 2. Thal the poloripal room a hob...erasion' sorb diverts to end who were always reedy to promote every plea
the rapid 111Crerrie of solichiore. and iv her wirmille power, for relieving the distresses of the pone.....(,appietsae.)
which rre.,te prodertiors =oh aboodaffily than the present
ottartgeas a'l of *swirly perm. to be caromed. —Mr. Owen, of Leavitt, could have the neertfelt
" 3. T ..tt machinery, sod productive power from setrosee, tietisfactinn of sitting down In his menden and view.
caveat sow he re-waled • Woe creasing still ~ewer rant.
" 4. The. if relent:llr prodommos coda be limited. II nimbi log th,e. 11:rk of his owe benevolent hands t he could
be most 111.* se lo boils Oro. been
as Ike% eArfIN.I• at.e... my, -- These people call me their benefactor, their
gns,ce of alt hurt , wiry ..onts. and mar he made so be, highly parent ; I /lawn taken them from the cells of want
u.etal nod sol...slaar•oh .... all MA.. awl dames. sad nee
ytveft um, and hive transplanted them inlet
.3. Th.l ib.• ouls tor..p. r anal amoral reek( fen* lb. eitisti '- - -
lee 14."***141141n r
,--i t.. In Pulwitew prurient& menu. place of indeitty, virtue, and happiness."—Might
by wawa gradually. and a i towt him) to a... individual. roe. the owl sssss ts of I l•is champiin of the poor be
souipnee may be rained is lite prcre.it poor, of fecileetime, •
sad afterwards as ;de e• keep .au..l pare lova it. Crownedwith ts ! Though sneered at by some,
•• 6. That this pe tactile applied to practice will elevate ihe there was 'a Doing shave who looked on his labours
whale sell. of "elf"; while toe 0100.• sate tteloirlfile• new I° with d.fferent •t es, and who would in the end re.
practice, merit °rerun:lly fare the great moss of the People to
the its.
dc.ce d rispid:y tom 1.... rev ..aJ Warr.. watt them. Ile concluded by moving, that
" 7. That. while all adat that *swasethine moss he done; oars of tie Committee appointed at the Meeting
ih0".1...."1 ai
the w.
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hi ads."l". 11""
mi11...1"K ege"watr Call Meld on the 26th of Jane, be approved of by this
_.... ____ w.t.... rreet.ng • great roarer, is esange even allel
auhrerory se iinsopeary. Meeting, and he trusted there world not be one du-
•• 9. That lelbelbilllbill Its been prorogued, without adapting ',Nikita voice.
eat ere/live mow es of rad' for the poor; aka thus has it . • .
be. e mettle aelininilettare.' that the G ivernmeot mid the Le- Mr. I. oot newer rote with more pleasure than to
nolkhire ..are sot setlletent prettiest tosowinice or she pmr second the motion of Sir W. De Crespigny. The
eel sierhi.g dee', and of heir coseeros, to devhe Oe.e•letes Committee, though Mr. Owen's plan ISO SO directly
fat I'.e r relief. I mean os 1:111114pPel be these observasi..ne,
eith.r io else Govinmoscist or the Leahlmares 1 meetly mate a counter to the maxims of political economists, foetid it
ample fart, stl.e.itted by all. necessary to recommend ineestigstion. lie deseanted
" 9. TWO wader twee tireemmaires. two loei.igent, drsenn.
orreed with ea* or part., bat who Imodesoled nearly thirty on the almost Incurable Pails of the labouting classes,
years t.. eetee.ive esperiweets 0411 'he'll...l. sad Is Nirepilie their excessive privations, their moral degradation,
es
"e le...leder et she h'tte' e ("I teem.' er the sod their inconaenient presser', both by pseperims
P 0. mid ...bin elosser. oilier• a mode at rids, f in Ike Pebeie
sod mime, on the means of the rich. The victims
en sly- to incipie a r .i.ing cmoromptomompal In pfilthicliat‘aa..A
'firmer ts I. give • regular and • Morin toren eto both, by were not to blame ; they were forced into this de-
which neww new wealth will he ebeudit• el. created, one the graded condition by the regulations of society.—
mew, to.n liho r•ied Irmo It, Woes' rliScolties.
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That fhb todividoal tteti vies wish so emceed front the a s pl. „ - .
Public that this donee nlll owe oe has affect every etas. and meni, it 'meld be a triumph for those political Should the proposer on this occasion be forgotten. •
party la the.:a•ee hot that be believer. W kiwi a shadow of
dose reemietag epee Mr owe mind, that tao irony economists wises, principles opposed his. If, on Mr. 0 en Rasa sorpiivini man ; persevering in his
emeripilos. Cram the highest to the lowest, will rioter be the the contrary, Mr. Owen's plan was wel to remedy. "unions, end when opposed only exhibiting heck
choose tes the cm/army, Ids cometisso mow is perfect, that all ing the present enafesiorr and misery that glinted in ardour. Whether right or wrong, there was a me.
mum be germ gainers.
s. 11. That. oevertheiem, loreedres no confidence tis bephiere society, they would establish a certain knowledge of rat grandeur is the manner of pursuing the object, ,
to bit emisictiso, however clear and wrote it may bee bat he the means necessary for the restoration of society io and when we reflected on the philanthropy of his .
ado from the sass respectable and latelligeot of all parties a all similar cases. It was en experiment only which motives, we might well excuse the benevolent eetht-
fell,
fair, mud ape. howesstiatios.
" 11. not be inks forties extruded mod respeetabie invent- the Report of the Gosimittes recommended ; and by sisal for laying the flattering unction to his seal,
Vie"- I ra•'• the affinities of the ce•errY areas urgeld 141 the seems or failure of that experiment the plan it. that he was the high priest of a, and that all
tikhzi,,e.:frpo.tbliallc "oat" hlutrh"Tiwies; nod tab:Ts:al self mast stand or fall. To receive and examine the who differed from tiles were infidels to the religion of
Weeniest the empire, opinion,
ntoa be (erased only after such as proposition would prove that the Public were reedy, troth. it was not his intention to represent Mr.
imirestinastoo. as on the occasion of Ile Steve Trade. the Restriction Owen altogether as an enthusiast. lie had proved,
.13. Probe this iadisidual, now, to the urermast. and ire o it
be parsible that be ran be saidarnere by any private moire or Act, and other most important sod difficult measures much in regard to education, which bad not been pee.
Personal °hied. if. titec " wwilie'cluli"" itorideni —if • Ilia had been transacted through the aid of the vieusly ascertained. It was knotan before that two
i hie "w w
riest, has bees teed.tared—if
y the emsairy is to
mend dliir„,_iye are fact, re.' he only ao,„ fee reseinti•on and good sense of the country, to hear, to persona brought •p, one in London the other in Paris,
kenos, will you not afford bias the enquiry which he solicits i" determine, and to acr, as become men Pf courage and would each have the peculiarities of religious cos.
Mr. Ot en was frequently cheered In the coarse of understanding. That population bad increased and toms and behaviour distinguishing those capitals.—lt
1 this address, and, al its conclusion, the approbation was increasing, he was ready to admit, and God for- was known before, that a female born is St. Giles's,
of the Meeting was signified by load and continued hid that the case should lie otherwise: we were not and another in St. James's, would prove, at the Noe of
lapplause,. in a condition to retrograde,and yet the numerical maturity, the highest and the lowest of of ere,.
Sir WILLIAM Ds CRESTIONT, in rising on this etc- proportion of population and means hail gone on to. doe. Bet Mr. Owen had taught us that we might
sire, was desirous to state the motives which had in. gether. lie pressed the necessity of an experiment, contrast those circernstancea which had hitherto eon-
fleeted him to biiug ((mini in Parliament, Mr. and concluded by seconding the Resolution. trolled es; he had invented an admirable machine
Owen's plan for ameliorating the condition of the The Royal Cif stews's begged leave, before the for reanufactering mind, end this he had himself
peer. It mss stis.detely necessary, it was the imp.. neat speaker addressed the company, to call their at. blended in practice with the manufacturing system of
ratios duty of all, in times of difficulty, to lend a tension to the object of the meeting, which wet, to the country. Agreeing, as be did, in the propriety
helping hand to that class of the community when receive the Report of the Committee on Mr. Owen's of making one experiment for the benefit of morals
weighed down by want, by poverty, and misery. plan, and to hear and • consider Mi., Oweu'a own re. and intention, be most enter his protest against all
The lime was graved when their situation must be .Pari. II was his duty, as Chai'May's to suggest to the Mr. Owen's schemes for abolishing pauperism and
attended to period visa come when something speakers the necessity of keeping so the point, and encreasieg wealth throughout the country, convinced
most be done for their relief. Ile looked with ab. asoiding political discussions. This caution he coo. vs he was that they ale wholly unequal to such a
barren:, on the system of transporting his fellow. ceived to be necessary, as the person who was then perpow, except Mr. Owen himself was omnipotent.
sobjetts, io order to give them the moans of subsist. rising was a stranger to him. If any such discussions Mr. Owen ascribed the existing evils to t':e use of
tore in a foreign country.---(Grrai applause ) lie as those which be had deprecated should arise, be machinery, hot he (Major Torrents) thoo4ht it ass.
repeated, that he looked with sentiments of horror would-appeal to the company for their aid to pot machinery alone that enabled ns to bear up under
on that system ; it was creel, it was a disgrace In the them down.—(Grist applause.) them. The principal reason, in his opinion, why
' i nation, slid ought to be abolished.—(ofpplanee)— Mr. J. Lowe bore testimony to the benevolent in. there wastsot support for CI the population t f this
Was Orris not keret motive sofficioot to induce a be. tensions of Mr. Owen ; but still could not help retires. country was, II:at we bad cultivated land worse ode
nevolent mind to adopt ally plan, and to enter into sing his dissent from that Gentleman's views. The colated-for cultivation than any other laud in Eorope.
any investigation, that mighti cad to the relief of plan, indeed, appeared to him quite imprarlicable.— and people consequently vies@ induced to transfer
such distress, and to the abolition of each a system ? In answer to a question front Major Torten', Mr. their espial to other coontries where land was more
—Mr. Owen had declared, without the fear of Owen stated, that the commodities produces' in his procnistiett. The next rause war, the erroneous sys.
contradiction, that there was in the country Establishment might be sold elsewhere, as well as in tem of our commercial laws, by which the n. cure
' et present smre means of s•ppoitt for its po- that Establishment. If so, those rodeos would 'sties of life were enhanced in price ; and the
relation • end that even if this population wet. Come into competition with the articles which were • third cause was the pressure of the Isaes. These
Issevessedi four-fold, there would he en ample already se cheap in the market, that the wookmen who causes induced people to transfer their capital
supply for the necessities of such an increased po. made them could not Bleepers the wages which their to countries in which lead was more productive,
potation. When such a mimeos was announced, employers vivid afford to give them. Now, then, trade more free, and leers less oppressive. Now,
woold any person allow pt•jorlice to shot his eyes c-suld sack a plan operate to relieve the poor? Bet these being three great causes of escessive population,
winst the light of conviction? lie knew, imbed, if the population of Mr. Owen% ealabliShassut Should poverty. and Poor Rates, he would ask Mr. Owen
the' snow persons reed Mr. Otten's publications nub image beyond its poser of prodactlon and subsist. ' bow his Plan could obviate soy one of them —( Ur.