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IMPERIAL P4RIUMENT
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HOUSE OF LORDS. AMIE. 14.
in the Nowak Downie V. Colder. Rayne v. Camp? 10111. telt
Keith v. Stein, and soother, the judgment of the Coat Weber
was atSrmed.
The Doke nf.Dorset took the nails and his seat.
The Irish ?Women Du‘v Blits es,ese committed and repotted.
Mr. Rittet, floe shit Highland •Knods and Bridges -Clos•
robstoners, presented the Abasallteport of thew Commit-
slower..
Adjourned.

PR la Oh.

Mr. W. FITSGIERALD moved the following
Resolutio ,s, vit.: That a,soto not exceeding 34001.
be granted for printing the Statutes; 101500 f. flirsini•
ing and publishing Proclamations ; 350 a. foe °bile
Prosecutions; 10471. for Repairs of the Por of Dab.
lin; 95341. for Non-conforming Ministeel4ll#sll. foe
Seceding Ministers in (lister; 21441, for.Astarlea of
Lotter) -Offices ; 5'1,6001. for the Trisstees of
Liaien Manufactory ;' and the ratirtiuder of the an:
nee' Minnie which have been *avid fivpr Mace rho
Union arereltuto deterttity fotsitio—.Tikt ite(tbrt it
Monday. ' .

Initial tribunals were not competent to try them.—
Ha.fully admitted that a British subject, who was
guilty of slave trading in any part of the globe, was
amenable to British justice, for having violated the
taw. At the same time a colonial tribunal had no
juriedicthats to try offences of this nature committed
in territories out of its jurisdiction, as offences com-
mitted out of the British territories could only be
tried by a special commission appointed for that pur-
pose. Piracy on the high seas, and offence's' eommit-
HOUSE. OF COMMONS.
s _led out of the British territory by British subjects,
alight, be tried before a Commission appointed for
A person from the Africa. Company presented Papers midi
respect to the expenditure and mutilations of the Company. thedetillrpOee, agreeable to the Acts. Although the • rtvtt. LIST. "-
sir S. HOMILY gave notice, that he should move, Oa Suphrtor Courts in India were allowed to try British Mr. TIERNPA' rose, in POrault.n.:* of n'iti" 110
Monday next, for a Copy of the Report made to the . Prince ' solicit/ for offences in the states of • the , • .
Rezent, on the eve of btr. Lathrop Murray. He, at ohs same . native had previously given, to move fora Committee to
rime, stated, that ha 'understood it had been tatetaded to "move Pelee% yet there was no instance of this power enquire into the expenditure of the Civil List, with
the Prisoner yesterday from Newgate, for transportation, but having bees delegated to any other colonial tribe- a power to send for and examine persons, pa rs,
fur the ill 'tate of his health.
ell aid be could not see why it should be peculiarly '
The report of the Natick Jury BM sins bureaht op, and do , ,s •
igisdA to the tzibonal at Sierra Leone. Mutterer and records. Re. stated, that his ream for: ma •
Hill was ordered to be read a third time on Moods, imst.: his fresetietnOtieft Was, as he had frequently deaf
SLAVE TRADE. -J aims these Persons sight have committed, their' to the House, before the eatraoidieuiry and alarming •
Mr. WILBERFORCE rose to move an humble contiction had been before a tribuoal not competent ! accumulation" of the apnea' enceedin-gs of "the Ma
Address to the Prince Regent, praying that 'a Copy to V them.
List, which he tbiiteelftlie CritaKeery Wit* Mate to'
of the Petition presented to him on the part of M I
t. P. MOORE denied that the person who acted ' the House in so .anivliscing a reinntirt tilitite **Al
rs
Brodie, Cook, and Dunbar, three peons con. as Judge et Sierra Leone had been put in that Ikea. not see upon *hat gon'ilde sea i Coinalittie is ha '
victed at Sierra Leone for violating the Slave Trade , tion it the recommendation of Dr. Thorpe. He sus- now asked for co kV:pos.slbl, lritiaristaired..* The 11 ,
Act, together with the proceedings thereon, should petted that the abOlitionists hardone at least as *en
would recollect that he ii*Sl Yettie past Called '
be laid before the House. The proceedings had, in.much mischief as good, and he wished that' a' Corn- their attention to this seli)iet,' IQ it really seemed Y.•
fact, found their way already to the public in dif- male* might be appointed to examine into what had astonishing how, after so thirty warnings t*l'litiestat"
ferent publications. These men had received a free been done. He denied that those persons had been• of expenditure should go so very far bevolndAiled. '
pardon, on the grouud that they had been tried and' convicted on any sufficient evidence. mates. Since the year 1812, which was ' '''ye&ri
convicted before an incompetent tribunal. As to the Mr. SMYTH E said a few words. and three quarters, 2,827,0001.. had help tdwd by '
Judge who tried them, he understood that he had Mr. WILBERFORCE said, that only 96,0001. Parliament in aid of the' Citil 'List, the Ingle
been recommended by Doctor Thorpe himself to act had been given to the Sierra Leone Company, while which was then 124,0001.; and he areold- •leaverr
in that capacity during 'his absence. This Judge, 2,500,0001. had been given to the protection of the to stop, and e;k if suchen excess did not. Mg lllte
who was not himself a professional man, acted on , Slave Trade. He highly praised the conduct, cha. attention stir investigation of the' Howie? 'Aifini ;
the authority and under the precedent of a case de. • rector, and public services of the late Mr. H. Thorn- period of Mai called the New Era, the' evPrirsam'itt:
termined by Doctor Thorpe himself, in similar cit.- ' ton and of Mr. Macauley. the Civil Lilt were estimated at 804,0001. ae4 iiiii.44 '
cumstances. The irregularity which was stated to After some conversation between Mr. H. Adding. !lament voted 100,0001. as a kind of present' to 'tad I
be in their conviction, was, that they were foreigne , ten, Mr. Barham, Sir W.'Garrow, Lopd Castlereagh, Prince Regent ; notwithstanding .111khOor. • faisiF'
ors, and that the offence was not committed on Bd. *e. ?dr. Wilberforce is ithdrew,his mots n. Highness's expenditure and exceeding.; antounSprt;
tish territory. One of those persons was certainly* .! --.' OVERTURE FROM BONAPATE. 90,3001. and that after an excess of 114,0001: 'Te
British subject : but it was said that the ordinary Mr. PONSONBY had a question t 9 pot of the he apprehended, was owing to the Molts of tee ,•.,
tribunals of Sierra Leone had no competence to try highest importance to the Noble Lord opposite. It miralty having been allowed tote applie'd to s' ,;
...
the cause. If those persons had been now pardoned,. was rumoured, and believed by many, that some pro. kCivil List, whenever it had been thought 0et...;..,.
be thought that it was right, that the House and the position or overture, he knew not by what name to, to make any payment or allowance to the sever
country should know that it was on a mere point of call it, had been received from the present Govern- I branches of the Royal Family ; but for several yea,
law, and not upon the merits of their case that 1 ment of Frante. He wished to know if such was' the Civil List-had been kept from the in .pection i
they had got off. If the law was defective, it ought the fact, and what had been done in consequence the House, and during that time the Droits of Arkin
to be remedied. He, therefore, concluded by mow. : thereof? It was also rumoured that our Govern- rally had been applied by Ministers to make up such
ing for a Copy of the Petition and the proceedings ' meat bad sent this communication to Vienna. Ifideficiencies as they did not choose to apply to Parlia.
thereon. that were true, he should be desirous of knowing : ment to make good. In 1786, it hod been agreed
Mr. 11. ADDINGTON opposed the Motion. He when the Noble Lord expected any answer in re. ' that the excess of the Civil List should be kept within
did not see any ground for the House interfering with turn ? ! 58,0001. per annum ; but in the nett seven years,
the Royal Prerogative in this instance. The case Lord CASTLEREAGH !toped the Hon. Gentle- 1 ending in 1804, the accumulation was 125,0001.—1 t
had been referred to the Law Officers, and it was man would trot expect, under the present circum. 1805, Mr. Pitt had declared in Parliament that th,
upon their report that the tavion weszranted.'`. .- g &tint wwer at to the nature: of thei eapeeditare. et, 4Jaet,Ciait .„Lisii-nisisisisi aeon •eacead.,.....
Mr. HORNER was surprised at tWltight won. communication received, or the answer made to it.— , 979,0001. but since then, that deCfaration 'hod been
Gent.'s resisting the production of the Paper which This communication had been naturally sent to the 1 decided to be a mere nullity; though for his own
had been moved for. The fact was this : Parliament Allied Powers now at Vienna, without any delay.— I part, be could not believe it possiblgthat such a man
had often shown that it felt a great anxiety for the When the answer would arrive from Vienna it was as Mr. Pitt, who was generally allowed to be so
abolition of the Slave Trade. Three persons had quite out of his power to state. good a calculator and financier, could have been
now been found guilty, on the clearest evidence, of • ITALY. guilty of so gross a mistake. Nothing, therefore,
violating the law in this respect, and those threeper- Mr. PONSONBY had another important question could more strongly or forcibly prove the necessity
sons had almost immediately received the Prince Be- to put. Was it in the contemplation of Government ,of a power being given to the Committee to send foe
gent's pardon. It was natural for the House to feel to take any steps' of aggression before the answer ar- and examine persons, in order that the House might
some curiosity to know the grounds of this proceed- rived from Vienna ? I be able to ascertain where the deficiency really oz.
ing. Ile thought that the reasons urged by the Hon. Lord CASTLEREAGH declined answerielparti- , heed. In 1804, the sum of 979,0001. was deemed
Gent. (Mr. Wilberforce) had been by no means an. cuter questions at present. Iby Mr. Pitt to be an estimate with which Parliament,
swered by what the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Adding- Mr. PONSONBY observed, that his notice re- ought to be satisfied, as the utmost of the exress
ton) had said in a whisper, when the House was in specting Genoa and Italy generally had dropped which would be afterwards wanted ; and vet in 181:
a hustle. Ile thought that it was right that the yesterday. He understood that the Noble Lord it had been found necessary to apply to Parliament
Honseand the country should know, that if those was disposed to Arent some of the Papers, but ob. for a new arrangement. In point of fact the Com-
persons were pardoned, it was only from a latent i jetted to producing others. The object of his mo. i mittee in 1805 distinctly stated, that in order to un.
defect in form, and not from any merits in their tion (which he read) was to address the Prince Re. idestand the subject, it would be hecessity to have
case. If it was found that there was any defect in gent for Copies of all Instructions sent to Lord W. I enquiry intheinterior of the Rouse. It
_ems not foe
the law, it should, without loss of time, be reme- Bentinck in 1811, 1812, and 1813, as to his con-' any impertinent purposes of sifting out unpleasant
died. It bad been studiously represented abroad, duct in Sicily, and as to his conduct in Italy gene. , tales that he wished for such enquiry, but to see
that this offence had been committed out of the Bri. rally, and the states and people therein. . ' fairly what was the sum out of which the Court could
tish territories. Every lawyer, however, must per- Lord CASTLEREAGH was not disposed to give
,' maintain itself, without coming to Parliament every
ceive, that by the letter of the law, any British sub- all the Papers generally. He had no objection to year for additional charges. Nothing excited more
ject who was found guilty of slave trading might be give those Papers which contained instructions to jealousy, nothing produced more soreness and dissa.
made amenable to the law. One of these men 1 Lord W. Bentinek. , tisfaction out of doors, than to see constant applies.
pleaded guilty. Another was, on the clearest evi. Mr. PON'iONBY intimated his intention of , tions made to that Houerfor two or three thoosani
deuce, proved to be guilty. The third alleged that making his motion on Tuesday next, if necessary. . pounds for the Court. He was not aware of an:
he was a subject of Ferdinand VII. ;it appeared, Mr. WHITBREAD noticed the appearance of other value of the Civil Lilt, than that its ameuni
however, on the trial, that he was a native born another document respecting the Congress—a letter , should be fixed and ascertained. That was its onl)
subject, and that his pretence for calling himself a from Talleyrand to Lord Castlereagh, concerning' real value, and once for all, that point ought to he
subject of Ferdinand VII. was, that he had served the affairs of Naples. With a view to future discus- settled. Whatever might be the state of the resources
for a certain time ou board a Spanish slave ship. He sion (for be did not mean then to go into any de- of this country, there was still a sufficient revenue
was perhaps a very fit subject for such a Sovereign, bate) he wished to be informed whether the letter for the establishment of the Crown, and the peopli•
He did not mean to impute th- slightest blame to was substantially true, though there might be per- were desirous of seeing the Court maintain its dig.
Government on this occasion, but he saw no reason haps some errors of an inferior nature? ' nity, but they were justly dissatisfied with wanton
for refusing the Papers. ! Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the reasons extravagance and prodigality. He hoped the Corn-
Mr. BA I'HURST saw no reason for interfering which formed a bar to this kind of discussion still mittee would be appointed, with those powers with
with the prerogative of the Crown in this instance, continued. When the proper opportunity came, he which it ought to be invested. It was not his inten•
which had been properly exercised. Without the hoped to enter into a satisfactory explanation of the tion to go through all the details of the account, not
production of those Papers, it would be equally whole subject. ! was he disposed to censure every part of it. Front
competent to the House to amend the law if it was 1 Mr. WHITBREAD said, the Noble Lord bad the Lord Steward's Department he could not with-
found defective., ' now admitted the letter to be true. No shadow of hold his approbation. In that Department there had
Mr. WHITBREAD wondered at the opposition doubt could now remain of its correctness. The been a laudable anxiety to save money; and the re-
to this Motion, and thought that it would not have Noble Lord said he would give satisfactory informa- irenchments which had been made established the
been made if the Hon. Gent. (Mr. Wilberforce) had tion. It' he really would do so, if he would give the fact, that those who contended in 1810 and 1811;
spoken from any other part of the House. He House full information respecting those letters of that it was possible to reduce the expenditure, were
should suppose that it was because the Right Hon. Prince Talleyraud to the Noble Lord, and of the not wrong. In 1811, the expenses in the Lord
Gent. (Mr. Bathurst) happened not to have his Noble Lord to Prince ilardenberg, &c.—[Order, Steward's Department were 22210001.; in 1813 e
glasses on at the time, and did not see who was the order !) 1814 they were reduced to 161,0001.; so that a greet
Member that moved it.—[A laugh.] —The lion. , The Highland Bridge and Road Report was deal had been done in a short time. lie omitted
Gent. who brought forward this Motion wished it to brought up. Ordered to be printed. n 1812, as in that year the Windsor establishme f
be known, that the defect was only in those persons I Tho Irish Prize Goods Committee Report was had disarranged every thing. With respect t 'nth*
not being tried by a proper Commission ; but that , brought up. . Lord Chamberlain's Department, from 1811 to
.
there was nothing, either. in the law or in the evi- The Irish Treasury Bills' Bill was read a second 1814, there had been an increase of 75,0001...
dence, which was in their favour. He really thought time.* The expellees of the Master of the Horse in 1810
that Government should he glad of an opportunity, COMMITTER OF SUPPLY.
to show, that they had taken no part ' agaiust the I On the Order of the Day
being read for the House were increased to 03,0091. It would beimpossible,
abolitionists of the Slave Trade. I going into a Committee of Supply, however, to cutter into all the paiiiitqars, since
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that the' $-: Mr. W. FITZGERALD moved, that the several Gentlemen who had
,not taken so inoeb trouble as
nion given by the Crown Lawyers was not . .
Needed papers on the table relative to'the miscellaneous ser- himself, could not follow him theough the account.
in any defect in the Act of Parliament, or any mat- vices of Ireland 'htbe •
be laid before the said Committee.— in the other classes there mig great variety 'cif
ter of form. The objection taken to the conviction Ordered. i sums that could be Accounted (fir, iud it great num-
was, that the offence was committed in countries out I IRISH MISCELLANEOUSSERVICE.,.I her might be taken out Ss hiving nothing to do 'with
of the jurisdictions of this country, and that ,tutr Fe l The liettskisrjng got inte the Committetti the Royal gamily. As to the class which iccludei

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