The Statesman.
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• 1---77-11114,G PAlittAilllNT. • a Weer near at hand, undoubtedly the best bowler/
would have boon to have made the arrangement M
ttle'f but with a power so distant as America, the
HOUSE OF LORDS, Jtirrr ii.
only course we could pursue Was, to declare that on
The Home met about half past two o'clock, and regolved it-
self into a - Committee on the
Order* in Council. Three wit- a day to be named (allowing sufficient time for thein-
news were examined, and after which, about four, the /louse strument to reach the United States) the Oedeis in
resulted.
The kith Loan Bill and the lose Customs Bill were read a Council should be revoked on the American Govern.
third time and passed•
went repeating' their restrictive- acts on our Coin-
The leish Insolvent Debtors' Hilt passed through
.a •Com- memo and complying
,with the conditions. This,
tminamendments, with amendmen, and was ordered to be printed as $
;he thought, was as far as this Government could
amendad.
ORDERS IN, COUNCIL. -." • possibly go. As to the question of the rain' of the
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE ad7ert to the Orders in
_councils that must depend opon.the acts
rumour of what had passed in another place respect- of France, or upon an arrangement with t(e United
ing the determination of his .Majesty's Ministers on the States. It could yet 'of 'course tiOest that we
subjett theof commercial policy of the country, and were to submit...to . a state of things in which the
observed, that it was of the greatest 4mportance to French siorts wed to be freely opened to commerce, I
the con mercial and manufacturing interests of the and tbe British porti excluded from the advantages
country,that the ilitentioni of his Majesty's Ministers of that cominerce--L4sut -if our object could be at-'1
upon this subject should be clearlyand distinctly ex- tamed without injury :to the United States that'
plained. He therefore wished to be informed, who- might be the 'subject of au arrangement with their
•• titer it was the determination of his Majesty's Mi- Government. • • . '
misters to revoke' or suspend the Orders in Council.: The Earl of ROSSLYN deprecated the mode, re.
if to suspend, for. what period they were to be sus- sorted' to of revoking the Orders in Council, con.
Fended ; and if to revoke, whether that revocation 1 tending, that the President. of. the..Uttited States
was to be absolute and immediate, or conditional ; -might thus be left ill doubt as to the repeal of their
and if conditional, upon what conditions .such revel. restrictive acts, and that by thedelity thou occasion-
cation was to take place ? ; • , , ed, the manufacturers of this country might be de-
''"Earl BATHURST 'stated, that on the 20th of prived of their full shipment for this year, which
May last, the American Charge (Affairs in this I could only take place within the next two months,
• country, communicated' ti G'overnm'ent a Decree oft and be rendered unable to ship till February in the
the French. Government, purporting to be dated i next'year, by which their 'distress would' be greatly
April tly 1811.--Init no copy of which Decree had 1 increased. ~ . ~ • , s
... neerbaesseeen in this coentry, nos, :iii America, the I The Earl of LAYDERDALE •reurged his former'
French Minister there having acknowledged • that he i argumeuts as to what would be the result if the
bad no copy deny Decree to that effect) and which"; trench Government repealed Their' decrees gene,
declared the Berlin and Milan Decrees revoked so : rally, and the Government of the United States re-
far as regarded America. On the 21st of May, an ' fused to accede to the conditions proposed, as the
event took plate, which, it was supposed, would lead I ground for the revocation of our Orders in Council,
to a change is the Administration. His Majesty's I and again contended, that by the express words of the
present Government had, however, as soon as pessi-1 Act of Congress, their President must declare their
ble, taken this falbject into consideration,and the re- I Restrictive Acts at an end on the repeal of our
suit was a determination •to revoke the Orders in' Orders in Council ; and that, therefore, the only
'. . Council conditionally, on a day to be named (allow-( wise course to adopt was. to
,repeal our Orders im-
• • 'kg sufficient time for such intended revocation- to I mediately, instead of leaving, by the mode of revo-
-... reach the. United States), the conditions being •thati cation, the repeal of the American Restrictive *efts'
ehOGoverament of the United States should admit a matter of doubt. ' : -••s•
British ships of war into their ports upon the same I The Earl of LIVERPOOL contended, that a day l
terms as the ships of war of other belligerents, and being named for the revocation of our Orders in
also repeal all their restrictive acts upon our conimer- Council, the construction of 'the Act of Congress'
1.• cial intercourse with the United States. These con. must equally apply to the repeal of the American
ditions b..ing compli. d with, the• Orders in Council Restrictive Acts on that day so named.
would, cease on the day so to be named. Whether Lord HOLLAND lamented that the important
*hes were to be revived would depend' upon the acts interests in.question should turn upon a point of pre.
of France, cr of the Milted States. An instrument ' cedency and etiquette. It reminded hies of what
. had been drawn up, expressing the determination of , sometimes happened at dinner, where he had ob-
. Government, which would very shortly bepublished,l served two gentlemen bowing and bowing, in order
and until that document was before the House itl to give each other the precedency, whilst he in wait.
would be better to defer any dischssion upon the log for them had.' nearly lost his dinner. Thus
subject. .. while the point of precedency was settling between
Earl GREY agreed in the propriety of deferring this Government and the Governments of France
any discussion till the instrument alluded to was re- and America, our manpfaeturers were starving.—
gularly before.the House, but he could not help la- I He cotttended that the only wise,: and. frank, and,
!limiting the line of policy which Ministers had ; conciliatory policy . would be at -one* to repeal
. chosen to adopt, instead of the more manly and ad. j our Orden( in Council, instead of raising a gees-
santageona course of at once revoking the. Orders in I tion of doubt as to whether the American Restric..,
Council. It seemed as if Ministers had been reltic. tive Acts would .he repealed -or not, which would'
. tantly forced into a measure which they most unwil- leaire MO ildflidfaudbed*itianufactirerti# 'a lost hote
liney adopted, and that they were carrying it into to act.; •-•''''''-'. "z• :
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effect in a most ungracious manner. Why not at
, Earl ,tiATttlllo-1 'stated, that whri the notifica.l
. once. in a frank, and open manner, revoke the Orders tion welt:mile bythe.PrenchGovertunent,lo Atigist,
. in Council, instead of clogging the:revocation with : that the Berlin mut Milan' Decrees would condition-
conditions which would leave the merchants and ma. I ally cease to operate on the Ist of November follow.
nuficturers.in doubt how to act, and thus prolong ing, the. President of the United States immediately
their distresses for a copsiderable period. He had , acted upon that notification, and declared that the.
been, also with great regret; if he rightly understood i American restrictive, measures would cease to operate'
the-Noble Earl, that the revival of those Orders was !.on the Ist of. November, this was therefore, a simi
to be matte to depend upon the acts of Fiance. i. I tar case to the present, under the very same Act of
Earl BAT I i URST, in ..explanation, stated, that I Congress. • -
what he meant to say was, that the question of the I Some further conversation took place,- in the']
revival of the Orders in Council, would.depend either : course of which, Earl FITZ WILLIAM diprecated '1
upon the acts of France, or upon arrangements to.l the mode 'of carrying the proposed measure into '
be made with America. • effect, and enquired when the intended document
Furl GREY again urged the expediency of imme- ; would be published.
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diatel) revoking the Orders in Council, in a frank I The Earl of LIVERPOOL replied, 'in thh course
and open manner, instead of doing it with doubt and , of a very few days. '
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suspicion, and observed, that if Ministers adopted I The Marquis of LANSDOWNE wished to know
the' measures proposed by his friends and himself, ; whether the conditions required of America, in addi-
they ought at least to adopt the manner in Width. hit tion to the receiving in their Ports, British ships of
'friends and himself would base carried* those met. I war, on the same footing as those of other Bellige-
sures into effect. He wished, however,' to know, ' rents, and the receiving British goods as before, in.
'whether in the interval, betwfen the time of. issuing chided also :thi.jitiiving British goods in &kith
the document alluded to, and the day on which, as ; ships. . .
was stated, the Orders in .Council were, on certain j The Earl of LIVERPOOL replied, thatthegoo-
conditions, to cease to operate, those Orders were ditiousspplied -toull the restrictive massenwaitala ,
• to have effect. . * had grown out of 'the Orders in Council. -• •' • '
. Eart'BATIIURST stated, that in the interval, THE CLERGY. .: .
American vessels detained under those Ordersovonlll On the Order of the Day for taking intoconstdelfe. 1
be.brought into our Ports,. bet that in the event of ;ellen the repoit urthe curates, Bin. , .
the American Government .acceding.to the condition! i,
The Earl of lIARROWBY at some length en.
those vessels would be released. git the contraiV
if the Condition's were net acceded lo; then...they ,'their Jr' a detail of tin °°°"4.°44l°°°° d eleillY °°
would be, proceeded against fur adjudication . and ofpreceding acts for
.I ,their benefices,
1 provision for Curates having the care of suchbene,
prizes. '• ' -
stro -poniy;..l w" for makingfices, with the view of shewing the necessity there
• • which encountered the risk 'of not attaining the ob.
a better provision for stlPendiary I
ject sought; and thus greatly increasing the di.stsisses
,Curates, who formed the great mass of' the Clergy
advantage of o, doing duty in parishes. The object of the Bill his
of our manufacturers for the pet/
few American prizes. - i Lordship stated to be prospective, that on any, futural
induction to benefices the. incumbent might'clearit
• tarl STA NIIOPE contended; 'that' from the ei•
understand what was to be result iu case he did not
pressian .usetl.by the Noble. Earl (Bathurst). the re-
: reside, „that in ;Messes the minim tun.of thsreniary of
vivat of the Diners in COUncil, anti consequently
the Curate
.should, be 801. per.. atiulu4 i bid
the distresses'of our Manufacturers, were to be made ,
to depend upon the will of Bonaparte. , ; where !the population 'of the parish amounted to 5017,
the minimum should be 1001,‘ and that whites the
The Earl of .LAUDERDALE observed, that toy-1
the declaration of his Majesty's Government, issuid Palouletints exceeded 10001,the..minitionn eitotild be
six weeks ago, the Orders in Coqucil were to cease 1501. "'he"; 4_,.1-11°14"me of. the benefice in eitbiii of
upon the repel of the Berlin and Milan Decrees, these cases- a''' net 'll°l'l°o to the "litlillms :thus
enactielthet. then tlio Curate should linv.affint Whole.
Supposing, therefore, l
andy were to_repeal
These lee,nunirne:Saistr
..however, to be inbject to
nerally those Decrees, the Abserican Govern:,
upon per.anstattOedOctien, • where the Curate served'
meet to refuse to accede to the -conditions upo
'which tite revocation of our Orders in Council .wissia9re tbin...°l4l °tie ) '".Person leonlcbsta ;a a Cu.
to depend,- thOse Orders would then be in force, not ..mte who I.tiot,,ieen licensed by the Bishop. With.
against France, but against the United States, thus aspect to the peanut possesfors of benefreestontained Praidons,• that sirs-their applying fee li.the Bill,
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eumpletely aliosikg their character, and setting fhb c
tip an au .eidegy new, *principle. By the Act of ce.__,nce°,,...lo di thlltre_sicielice, they. abouldetate. nortaitt
Congress tire Prasidtvt of. the United States was to •
....'",`'7 "lil°_,___m4. to
k , enable t
declare the restrictive acts against the .commerce of 'w""- moss Jastwa* the sitlst'y
I.l4?Nfthip coaelq!ilfir ipoviag,
,4,,, Arabuitsnii of tArri..,
evades* of tine- Banc*, -
' rseilittuits thisi betA ,
.',41,140 orAtiltis, .
PAkestit Adarnitei,
is**. birsttenest;v
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TIIE STATESiIAN.

, eept of his situation, and sometimes a House *light
not be attended with any advantage.
The Berl of LIVERPOOL defended the principle
of the Bill.

Earl STANHOPE observed, that nothing could
be more clear than what the Clergy received were
salaries, and only salaries; and not to be consider-
ed in the light of freehold properties.
The 'LORD CHANCELLOR thought the Bill
would,hreak in upon the right of advowson property.
Loid lIOLLAND said, were he to admit the prin-
ciple of the 13111;• he did not see how he could resist
the principle of equalization altogether. It was a
delicate matter to interfere in contracts between man
and man.
Lord HARROWBY observed, that the property
of •the Church was held on the condition 'of providing
for the eerviceof the Church.

The Archhhop of CANTERBURY explained-;
after which the Bill was ordered to ba re-committed
on Tuesday neat.
The House then adjourned;

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siwetoorrabfolor
ftohre
the
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otehrcete
otchfr le:
Tien:
roe
syf
I contend and conclude,
paonlp
eioaestnahhm
ardee.trph;aes
person,
eerins
of Thhis"eritopru,nisishtoamaneltWeS
i4CwrilotaTnltheaeutotrftp:ale.cnnearoiothimni another
ntrihasmletdoaaencis3l.tsgtnaeb:
foundation of criminal law.
That an editor is a lawful agent, and alone Le,
swerable for his own crimes.
That selling books is a lawful occupation, and in,
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plies no criminality in its act, except some proof b,
adduced of a criminal design. "
Nor does a recurrence to standard principles of
justice and reason deprive the public of its necessary
1 security against libels and libellers. The legalized
1 responsibility of editors, and of the parties imme,
-,-diately concerned in the fabrication of a libel, wood
i be a pledge of care on their parts, which is not sb.
tamed by. the absurd modern doctrine; and the re.
sponsilrility of the Proprietor in his property, would
,afford a pledge of his caution in selecting ?Atom
and. couductoks—while the exemption from Raj,*
criminal responsibility, wodld remove a valid objet.
tion df men of character toconnect themselves with
Newspaper property, and serve ai a means of m.
storing and maintaining the respectability of the pub.
lic press. in cases even of murder the vengeance of
the Law is appeased by the punishment of the single
person Who perpetrated the crime, and does not ez.
tend guilt to collateral persons by over-strained rea.
sonings—why then should it seek for, and endeavour
to multiply victims in matters of libel, and refute to
be satisfied with the punishment of the proven culprit?
In asserting these incontrovertible positions, r
simply maintain the just ascendancy of reason over
the time-serving doctrines of certain courts and law.
yers ; and its incontrovertible pre-eminence in the
genuine practice of the laws of England, over all
oppressive and arbitrary decisions.
Jurymen! 0, Jurymen ! on this subject, as oa
all others, beware of the arts of sophistry, and re.
member what is due to yourselves, to truth, to its.
Lice, and to your country.

COMMON SENSE.

AONDOIih
111115414-JUIIID 19, 1812.

We bin recubsiii #ollelos,.Papen to the sd(l Mils
from which wo esqlsap tht fbikswing s
FRON ?Hi KINGSTON stOTAL warn ost mgt. 18.
Accounts from St. bowing." state, that. P.prt os
had, about the 10th instant, made prisoners of ose
cveneral) thitsiCcolonels, and the whole o& CHRIS.
rens', cetvalry, b number about 1;100. A corvette
and brig sailed from Ant Cayes on Tuesday.last, to
join the squadron of Prrto.te at Port.an.Prince.

. FROM THE SAME PAPER, APRIL 25:
the Thalia we learn that CamsTopax still in-
vests port-au-Prince; and had made several attacks
on the Upper or National Fort of that place, in all
of which he was repalsed.with considerable loss, seven
of his chief officers, together with a great number of
men, baying been killed in these unsuccessfuitttacks.
, No material damage has-been. sustained from Camp
TOPME'S fire, only a few . houses having been in-
jured. Thelollowing is an extract of a letter, dated
at Port4u-Prince, Aprit 14 _ _ CIIRISTOMIS haa
taken up a position to the north of the towel, gad
has thrown into the place about 2000 shot; which
have killed three women, and wounded two. Casa.
TOMS, adopting the luxuries of state, carries fhb
him 4 house upon wheels. The army .within the
walls of the town is said to "mount to 12,000. lien,
Il and having ordered the corvette and brig from Mt
cayes, Panora is patiently waiting their arrival, to
malse.a sortie, that he may attack both by sea and
eiesik. • The-inhabitants later sualleilisPPreheolicle
islittlaogev. •- •
". PROM TEI JAMAICA COURANT, APRIL 24.
BRITISH NORTH AMERICA:;‘
~41117 an official statement it appears, dad 531 sail
4, Teasels, measuring 116,637 tens, and navigated
1i,553 men, were cleared from the port of Quebec,
.clurita,g.the year 1811; and that. 37 sail of vessels,
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measuring 12,688 tons, w!rs • built there in the
course, of the same year.
The Linnet was detained no Wednesday, of the
Nan' ssa, by a French prlipOr schooner, which,
after,having plundered her al several articles, per-
mitted her.ta proceed for bqr destination.
rani JAMAICA COCOA/IT OF 28TH APRIL.
A French privateer was lately cruising Off Cape
.11Lomain, and had captured two Spanish vessels from
*Porto Rico; and two ethers belonging to CurafiaL
11410dajiety'a ship Crew bad failed from the latter
;1104 isowisitii . :
from
fi 111r.W.OrrliOrnates-1110:000 Boa
'O6IMIRTgeIIIS t°

this eouotry at end upon the repeal.of our Orders 4LrdsbiP a
in CouAcilltlfas 11 net, therefore, the obvious policy. .
raligal rs
at once to those Orden, than to do 4. In a. :thiciiiidani
mauneAvhichApight leave him.a discretlin as to ehi .tis.thrkredol
"Mode of oonstrning that discretion't ofi thus delay .P.14.011101*1
• or defeat the venial of the nistrirtrielmrs. • r,...:111,..8.111h
The foil of 'LI VERPOOLoerm#, that if so ,e4tWateua
et ;t hie **mind beesAo-bessde with ,Soleeoame