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wejd he attended nith the most ..s injury. .
*llO4. Member concluded by saying he would give his
• vote fps she larger sum of 20/.
• gle. CALVERT declared that he was fur 25 years a
Representative of Southwark, and never did he in any
rue instance pay or cause to be prid the tale. or rates of
art elector to enable him to vote.
Mr. T. COURIENAY said he confined his observa-
tions to West Minster entirely ; but lie thought lie could
fertility*, language to have been addressed by the lion.
Member who just sat down to his coostituents, which he
It as certain upon cooler judgment ha (Mr. Calvert)
.would not 'epee.
Mr. CALVERT said he would he Owl to have pointed
out to him a single expression wed-by him, which he
*as not ready to repeat :Aid justify.
Lord 5111AON wished the lion: Member would with-
draw . his motion. The Noble Lord preferred that the
custom of voting by scot and lot should be followed in
Leede, rather than those new bugled notions, which they
o ere all so much inclined to fo:tss for himself, and re-
' commend for the edition of others. Whilst they ad-
heres' to the old recognised peiuripies of thetunatitution,
tires-could have a ceertaiuty that they could not go wrong.
When Isis lion. FrOspi (Mr. Baring) had suggested that
the rich electors shoulti be entitled to one, two, three,
and fotir votes.inerembeg iu a graduated scale according
to the extent of_propetby—
Mr. BAN= here said he would not go beyond four.
Lord burrObl.—Would it not be better that the
• rig hest amopg them would enter into the contest on the
...sate footing and with the same advantages, which the
poorest elector paranoid ? There were the disquisitions
oriiich would undoubtedly be introduced if they were to
• veport from the, Constitution. When they were about
to Infuse new life into it, they ought to be directed by
the hingtestablisbed and recognized 'principles. The
Nobla Lord concluded with moving a new amendment.
Mr. STUART WORTLEY said he shoubl be unwill-
ing to stand in the tray of his Noble Colleague, 'end
would therefore withdraw his amendment.
Lord MILTON moved in its place an amendment that
Cie words " the sum of be left out of the clause of the
13111.
Lord ALTUORPE said, if any qualification beyond
that of scot and lot were proposed, he should cer:ainly
prefer that of his Noble Friend to that of the Hou.
Member on the opposite side.
Mr. It. 51ARI IN opposed the Bill, and made some
general animadversions on the sentlments of the Mew-1
hers for Westminster.
51r. LOCKHART desired sense other qualification
he dtles that of scot and lot, and thought the possession
of property to the amount of lilt(. little enough. Any
..hangs in the representative system ought not to be
bottomed on property.
Lord MILTON again explained.
Sir R. WILSON said, the mode of voting by scot
mad lot required every elector to he an inhabitant and
leraseholder. As to what fell from the Hon. Member
.opposite, with respect to the Members for IVestininster
ati.Southwark. lie should only say, that he consider-
ed lois censure praise, and his praise censure.
Mr. 114 RTIN,--When one Hon. Member says, that
1:c considers the censure of another Hon. Member
plaise, and his praise censure.—(Here there was some
boise and interrnptiou.)--Tle ()Aleut Generol must
tite misunderstood him. What lie said was, that the
oi•inions of the Members for Westminster and South-
%.t k were not in accordance with those of the majority
of that House. lie felt kindly sentiments towards the
gallant tieneral, and that the Hon. and Gallant Gene-
la's well knew. lie only meant, that the majority of
Members in that House differed from the Members of
Westminster and Southwark.
Mr. HURST supported the Bill. He wished to give
the franchise to Leeds without any limitation whatever
the principle of scot and lot.
Lord MILTON explained.
Mt. PEEL said, that when be found that by adopt-
ing the 'titian of 2W. there would be 2000, or
3.1,00 voters in Leeds, he thought such a princi-
ple would give a very fair expression of the public
voice. rut himself, he should have preferred trans-
ferring the franchise to the West Riding of the county
of 1.;r°11, giving the right of voting to forty shilling
freeholders. Were the franchise given to Leeds with-
out any limitation, it would interrupt business of
every desrription, and might ultimately lead to the re-
moral of important branches of manufacture from the
district. Under all the circumstances of the case, he
'had no objection that the right of representation should
be given to Leeds, provided it was limited to the sum
• of twenty rounds.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE spoke-in favour of a more
ealersive representation of the people in Parliament.
lie certainly thought that the transfer to the West
Riding of York would have been preferable upon this
principle, that one of the Members might directly re-
present the manufacturing interest of that quarter;
)et, as the measuse had not been adopted, he wished
that Levis should be the place chpsen, because the
• - --seation would still be represented.

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Mi. E L explained.
Mr. MONCK thought that nothing was more L.
than that Leeds ought to have a buiert fhb popular elec-
tion, avit fur that reason he should vote fur the
amendment of tlre Noble. Lord (Milton.) The more
numerous were electors, the greater, he thought,
would be the political purity in the place represented.
It there was a fault in the Consttution, it was, that
.the,poJrer classes found themselves excluded from
partiefpating in all its advantages in consequence of
. • the franchise being confined to particular classes. if
persons in the humbler walks of life enjoyed the ad-
vantage of I better system of representation, the taxes
would fall much less heavy upon them than at present.
• 'Laid CASTLERRAOH observed, that he was not
...I,l•Lpreplieg. to agree with the Hon. and Learned Member
. uppoiite"(Mr: Abercrombie) in a broad and sweeping
pitteurof Reform —(Hear,hear.)—He objected to the
ilitikiple of scot and lot as applied to a large popula.
••s oa.; and this objection would bold good with respect
• I4eed4. Why •slistald the principle of scot and lot
; 'tot 6e insisted upon more than that of burghage tenure,
or of various other tenures? He eutirely agreed with
his Right WM:* F:ilind (Mr. Peel) that the effect of
adoPflug it ivOuld be to disturb the industrious classes
in those 40110 habits which had previously led them
to iifteUd with diligence to their ordinary occupation*.
—tfe Was decidedly of opinion, that the transfer to
.•• nitl . .
theepbeVird be attended with more public ad-
a vipite „ di' war selected, mid the system
of imiCsidgh dt af Natty represaatatioa, was to
be plopted:, a ate*, vats for twenty pomade as the
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their constituents.
Mr. W. COURT&N EY wished, that in. -trans-
ferring the franrbise to Leeds, twenty pounds should
be fixed to the standard.
Mr. SU AItLEIT commented on time difficulty of
estintatini4 the valus of ;eneiuents from the fluctuating
uature of pauperty. He was for restoring the Fitt-
' ciple acted upon in ancient times, whirls was that ui
scot and lot.
Lott' JOHN RUSSELL replied. With respect to
the proposition fur raising the qualification to 201.
a-year, that lie .coosidercd objectionable, as limiting
the right of voting to too small a body of electot f, a
considetahie 'lumber of whom hail %Me, already as
freeholders. Under his proposition for admitting
those to exerche the rights of electors who fettled
houses vala:11 at 114. he calculated that there would
be a body of from 6,910 to 7,000 voters. He could
not consent to reduce their number to 2,000.
The Cotuanittee then divided upon. Lord Jous:
/11::,551.L.5 motion, and the amendment proposed by
Lord Mt t.voN.—For the fari,zinal motion 66.•—For tbo
amendment, 1 -2.—Majoritv. 116.
IVhile 5 trangres were emlnded, a sere and divi.,:on
to.df place the ausendoseut of Mr. S. Wog ILE I' far
making tl Ali:it:Aim' 2111. instead of lot. a-pear.
awl tl.e n era were---For the original iti.aion, 91.
For the atuentltuent, I 15.—Majority, 51.
nn our re-allusissie• t' tie Gallery, we found Mr.
S. WORTLEY proposing several clauses, which %vete

azreerl to.
Mr. I). GILBERT. objected to the clause which
gave to the Electors of Greui:ound, not convicted of
bribery and corruption, the right of voting for the
count• of Cutowall. He wished that the right sle,it:rl
be transferred from the county to the botoii4it of

Treguni.
Mr. TIERNEY supported the dance.
Mr. D. GILBERT explained.
Mr. W. ITYNNE deprecated any principle inno-
vating u;ion county repreaentatiou. The evhie of
the electors of Granspound ought to sit er for the cor-
rupt majority.
Mr. It. MARTIN opposed the clause.
LordJOHN RUSSELL and Mr. S. WORTLEY
said a few winds, after which the clause wa.s rejected.
A dims:: fur limiting the period of the eleetiou to
fin days w. 14 next speed to, after a deaultory conver-
sation heti:ten Lord Lowruse, Mr. 11 I Lit:: eY, Mr.
ELLICE, Mr. C. CALVERT, 211.1 Lord .1. lics:•ei.n.
Mr. T. COURTENAY objected to the preamble of
the Bill, which he said had leen materially altered
since the Noble Lord had first twilight the eitiesiiow
before the Ilous?. Ibe remiddr, it now sty&
recognised a pledge of Pat liamentary Reform is a
more exteelive se s r r... 111 that which referred to the
Borough of lit alupoutitl.
Lord .1. 111:55E...1. dcf Aided the structure of the
preamble, and
Laid LIANI Ali .p 01... :t;ry tit upon the mood
that it wutilel v.:: it. jeAhm it implied a'prlitiriple
of Pailiamentaly Itrinrol, which the thajosity of the
House WAS 110 t ti, sanction.
Sir 31. W. It! DLE v9ke in favour of the preamble
as it now tituti:l.
Mu. T. COritTEN.I r7:plainett.
A discussion then took plice, between Sir R. Fes-
us nos, Mr. Bs ruttisi , Sir J. N swrowr, and Mr.
BROUDEN, rel.stivc to s,oic alleged irregularity in the
conduct of the l hail-man : after wlrich
Mr. S. WORTLEY spoLe Wetly iu support of the
preamble as it was worded.
The Chairman then reported progr..ss, and the Re-
port was ordered to he received on Monk; IleX.l.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL obtained leave to
bring a Bill to enable any tole Cutionissittuer to open
Countaissions of Assize.
Dr. LUSIII AUTON rut ofl till Monday, the motion
intended to be made by an lion. Ft iend of his (Mr.
Ellice) respecting an triali Master in Chancery sitting
in the House.
Sir 11. PARNELL obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to enable ecclesiastical per-ons iu Ireland to make
leases of tithes and chute!' lands.
Mr. HUME moved fur a return of compensations
and allowances, amounting to 1115.000 t. granted to
commissioners, clerk, iCc. formerly employverin the
civil service of the Navy, with a statement whether
their offices had been abolielsed.
Mr. LONU objected to this motion being made in
the absence of the tientleineu belonging to tit.; Aaval
Department.
Mr. CREEVEY replied, that all the tteetletecti on
the other side, must have been aware of this motion, of
which notice had been given, and whit 1s was announced
iu the tuinutes.
Mr. BROODEN supported Mr. Long's obi-etion.
Mr. HUME defended himself against the imputa-
tion of attempting to take the/loose lay surprite. lid
next mots d for the application of several tithe rex
penses connected with the Naval and Ordnance De
partments.
The other Orders of the Day being di.posed of,
the house at One o'Clock Adjourned.

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those tesolutiosts which it Shell collative to be inost wor-
thy of the honor and independence of the nation which
has confided to us its destinies ; those resolutions which
will he best calculated to preserve peace, if possible, anti
good iinslersfatiding between the people of the two Sici-
lies, and all the other nations of the earth ; to consoli-
tlAte the edifice dour constitution, and the legitimacy
et the throne.
After the Prince's departure, the Dulie de Hallo talc l
a report to the t liamlser of Isis mission to Layloach.
His Excellency then communicated, Ist, the notes.
of the foreign Ministers in reply to that of Isis' Majesty,
which had beets traustssitted to Congress. '2. The notes
presented to the Prince Regent by the foreign Ambas-
sadors resident at Naples, with the Prince's answers.
3. The note of the British Ambassador at Naples, in
reply to a demand of explanations with tegarl to the
spiadron of English men of war at anchor in the Isar.
4. The note of the Freuch Cheep d'Ailn4rro, in reply
to a similar demand of explanation, touching the cow
tinuaoce of flit. French squadron in the saute port. The
President theta named a Commission. composed of
several eminent members, to examine the above (loco-
uteLts.
After the report of the Deputy, Borrlli, Closinuan
of the Coussiii, :inn, the Parliament adopted without a
dissentient voice the propmed measures for the defence
' of the ronutry.

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d°lllteisnl onlyP by the general adopt kn of e
principles, sash
as they are associated to promote; that any floret's% be
evireilhgecticoorfreavpetrinseedsgiivnneegaiineti!neeastgeciesTiatitteneol:f
the long foretold calainiti
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their Anisters and agents, matte not to mans evi
dent to the billeg eyes their palpable cause, and
bring enurictiult home to the iintleystandtug Of the aloe
prejedieed and least informed of the aweemite there is
for removing it; if experieu&e, which is said to make
fools sine, does not make wise men•fools; if the osao;-,
fold evils under which the nation grams, tojgetket with
ttstilitiiiiiertiri:rti:fal;Fieneti(e.:lleiruno,s;oinabenttlid:oile.tiiffllile.:l4lii7lttmlen7arrivgtilerthficociifij":"Kmpeioclinnugiertkanedenianu'clat‘Z. •
monition of the people in Poll:meta, as the oily meats
of carrying into execution, measures, under any c::.
cwasta aces wise and just, under ours. absedutely eters-
sary to avert iuipending ride ; it thige he motives
and inadequate to rouse the tiationlis one man to asse.
its constitutional rights, to be fairlfe and floured: re.
presented in Parliament, then, Indeed, nothing short of
',tirade can retrieve the affairs of this ill-treated and it.-
fated country. I am, air, your obedient servant,
(Sigurd) Fit ANCIS BURDETT.
His Majesty, it is said, will foiluw- tlicettansple
his Royal pitdecessors gd ward I. and William 11;.
by einbarkiug, when he visits Ireland, at liristsl,
fur Cork. •
A failure, to an iinmense amouet, is said' to tail at--
sun-ed.—We trust that the rumour is, Unfounded.—
Were it not the common theme of conaporeation
should be altogether silent on the subject. Tlsaalleged
party is an ar.bitett of the highest •ealitisece.—
(Baighton Bendel.)
We are credibly informed by a gentleman lately re-
turned from the rontincut, that an extensive umeufe-
tory of forged Lank tune:, near Lyons, has receinie
'been discovered, and that some of F;;reigsiers a:e
now in this couotry, whe;i: they have opened as cots.
!Hi .h.ttcde for the purpo-e of circelatiug them with
great r jecility than the usual method, and io a fashie,.-
ehle
sqnare at the West end of the town.
Boy. -rrneer, Tuts ltdoextice.—A cougable of the
palish of St. Martin's, came to this office and stand, that
this morning about half past font., a man of the name of
Peter Fisher, was found in the bar of the Swan piddle-
house, in the Strand, under suspicious t ireetaltoncea—
He was given in charge and taken to the watch-boom this
morning when the officer went for the purpose of heingibi
him tote Office, he was discovered hanging to a railaad
quite dead.—lt was not known whetherhe had mooed
liiinself the previous night, or had entered from the
window.—The sum of eighteen-pence was foodd upon
bin. _ •
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.11).10(31,VED INQUEST OEV Am. SCOTT.
Yesterday evening. at about half-past five o'clock, the
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inquest mu this case was resumed.
Thomas Joseph Pettigrew, surgeon, was swore peel
exami uech—Li yes at Siariagegardeoe ; hadato knowledge
of sleteased until UM !!hey on whit h the ocentrence hap-
pened t me, hint it lialfpaist•eseeen n'ehiek on the even-
ing entitled to ; was renoested to alord professional a--
isi stance, should such bet elptishe4by a friendof Mr-Stott.
Who was that friend ?"---"11 r.Pat more." Having snivel!
at Chalk-farm. cud reaching nearly the sop of the bill,
lie perceived souse gentlemen in the field below him, sad
almost immediately afterwards pistols were discharged.
Found Mr. Scott on his knees, nod Mr. Pattmore told
one that he, Mr. Scott, was wounded. Mr. Scott placed
his hand to his side, pointing out to him the put in
which be lied been struck ; I proceeded to exauum the
wound on the spot, and found an opening between the
lower rib and the hip bone of the right side. Mr. Scott
fainted, but soon, by attention, recovered—although the
ball appeared to me to have perforated the cavity of the
abdomen. Ili!: speedy revival from the syncope. added
to the email discharge of blood which hat) taken place
flout the wound, satisfied toe that no large internal blood
vessel had been injored ; and I therefore recommended
that, in order to afford him every possible assistance
under such circiunstaticee, he should be conveyed in
town as soon as possible. There were two gentlemen,
whom he understood to be Mr. Christie and his friend;
did not know who that friend ,vas, and had not seen him
sines. Mr. Christie asked me what I thought of the
wound ? I replied to Mr. Christie that I feared the
wound was mortal, in the hearing of ?dr.Scott, when he
addressed Mr. Scott, and expressed- a wish " that he had
been in Mr. Scott's situation, rather than Mr. Scott
should have been wounded by him." Mr. Scott then
said, whatever may be the issue of this case,. I beg
von all to bear in remembrance that every Wag
leis been fair and honourable." Mz. Pettigrew
then went on to narrate his retoWt to teen.
Witness being asked if he did not hear it said on the
ground by Mr. Christie, that lie hail flied down the field?
replied. I did to the best of my recollection—Mr. Christie
said, is Why was I permitted to tire a second time? I
discharged my pistol down the field before, I meld do so
more." These expressions were made in eensoqeence
of some altercation which took place between the seeones.
Mr. Christie took Mr. Scott by the hand after he via.:
wounded, and witness desired him to stand away, Mr.
Scott being at that time about to faint ; did not hear himm kit
Mr. Scott a good right. Mr. Palmeri' stated to witness
some days after the occurrence. that irMr. Christie and his
Blend had agreed 'bet he should not return Mr. Scott's lire,
Mt. Christie's friend we -bound,
of
After the examination of Mr. Pettigrew s pupil, sad
eeraieasedwhieh to him
orecon.dweetimpeolisolursuarteredopazi4thh; Abirts?.:C:ralatie". e",
that of a Bow-street patrok and some other vritnesees,
whose evidence wee not of much moment, the Coroner
recapitulated the evidence that bad been adduced, and
the Aare adjourned to an adjacent apartment, what,
after deliberating for about half an hoar, nosy iieLivered
their verdict—. Wilful Murder against Mr. •Christie,
Mr. Trail, and Mr. Pattmore."
The Coroner issued his warrant for their apprelict-

sion.
The Inquest was not over till after twelve o'clock.
J. and J. SIVEO Ricbur have the high satisfaction of
concratulating their Friends, who purclia.ed at doer
Offices, on the result of last We.lnesday's drani
t!n which
enable.' thetu to distrihnte in LI Shares, No. ,0:',3, one
of the (hand Prises of 21,410/. !loner and Consols. In-
sides Three other Capitals, heiAgE a continnance at dt‘t
good fcirtune which invariably attends their Wires. Un
the 17th of Tull MONTH. being St. Patrick's LLy, the
Lottery will entirely finish, when Three Prizes ot
1),11110/. each, besides all the oilier Capital., sie4.t he
drawn and from the uncommon attraction of w ricil a
Wheel, they recommend an early application at do•ir
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