The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-07 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

it I; :ts'ion to he naked with rezaril to the Opera et •.. DM Top cpmmitairoc to the Queen what had been roni-
oe4r.ratre of San I Arlo. 1 nniftistited to you un ,tu sued 1-1 t is most likely that 1
During tie whole or the tin:. you were;.. \spivs was Bert dish
Ea ii ti °wrier :—No. , wise Iris the person recommended f—Bergawi •
Did he w. it at tob:e?—Yes, I Were y ,su enyisis et ht tar (imam to make enquiries of
How many other couriers Were te,*rt. !—No other. :dm Marquis upon the sublet. f—Yes. eertaialv.
No other ? What was II teroninwes !-11e was considered What reeommeeslation of Detrital 41111 the Marquis give.
an accivtant in the suite. fathe presenre of the ?nem !---11e rid he W 24 of 1 noble i
, •
11% Lord Ems& t•r—VoP hare t'4.l 114 v'n 4!d wot tilts family who had Wien oto distress. For the wan himself,
any particular native of the dress of her Royal Illrhness : he was Petreelly hmic•fshic honest, and wird-worthy in
but do you think shi, had it been indeerlt You would hate every thins in which he was employe'.
vbteraed it 1-1 cell:till% sitonl.l. . I Did he say any thing snore I—lle said that he was shore 1
Did you then make ani meat observation !—No. the dress, the aurae on which he was about to enter. 224 heaped. if he I
whatever it sac. sac nut indecent. behaved swell, es he had nu doubt he would, thit he would
laarit ItaßNt.rt —Hate you 11.21 r 1:110Wleilfft, respecting; na adsailrea•
the passports, to which your particular attention has Do yon remenber to have ever seen the Martinis and
been diverted' ' Berroni in a room or in !Ise street ,oxother ?—Yrs. I do.
[The notwtyher observed, that the ressions and an-! What opinion dill you form of their intinstscr ?
avers whirl' referred to these passports had been struck, 3;r. P tett ohjerted to this goes:ion as.inettt)otr. Re
oat Inv order of the Howie.] mold not consent to the witness stating any thing in
Did yon ever see the passports?-1 saw, but did not this way as matter of opinion,
read thrm. Mr. DENst ss rose to support the propriety of the goes-
By a Pecs—Did the „wee ah„t removing A„,„ti,.s lion. hnt Were he entered into his argiesebt
bed proceed from tour-elf. nr 'lid her Ravi' Highness Fend ll Vra I:I:ST suggested, that Sir 11'm. 1411 should
attic it ?—it oat ached by her Hoeal iliehrteng- not be present while counsel made any comment upon
Hy the Earl of 11.:sensey.—Was the &Mire. R. to th• the amp er he was about to give.
alteration of thrilporments. followed er not I—Of my own Sir Williams lien was then ordered to withdraw.
Inowletlee. 1 dun': know. . Mr. DENsvii contended for the propriety of the ones
A Prro—'f 'tea you an not know :t of your own firm just pat. He slid it lac akin her Majesty's kottn-
itoowle.ire?—l saw it followed myself, in one place art to chew that iterwami was not a person of that low
where we slept, 4; %re were tr.srelling. and despicable :ink whirh the other stole attempted to
lit Elrl (~.m.s.-:•12.—Di.1 yeti consider the msruter4 of show. It was surely evidenCe of his situation in life.
PI Tem( sure for to those of an ordinary courier !-1 es. to chew in whist view it t% AS held by a Martinis who was
I 511(1. the Chamberlain and
o,rer representative in Italy of the Aut.
fh Lord l; Arstennot-rm.—D'il you ehserre ant imps"). Witt
priety in tbe manner of the *elk in the garden of which foe, no't a rya
nt 1
Ls to told ns?--Nn. ling' :t. hawking therefore at this question,
-on the little technicalities of law. lint as a
Do pm en udder that the manners of Reresmi were those [rya' and Irt'liar 11111.1 ne1."42" question is behalf of
of a gristles ma ?—1 always o`scer‘ed that he luta none of her 31..jesty, he most say, that if it were not allowed to
that fsernini servility which I had observed in all the ',low be pit. the greatest injustice would h. inflicted.
Italian Tort sits. _ 11r. Wtt.t.t t tut then ronten.le4, that. istpoint ftr strict

Rot t oar yol whether his manners were those of 1 gen-
tlemen 1-1 f -oat the time 1 saw him in that el.sraetee.
ftotsirtst the. were. Of cows.. I had um before made any
inch eves- pertlenler ob lion upon him.
The Eatl of LtvenzooL—ltoleprnientle of that let-
ter. which eon received from England. repregcniilw that
ter RIMS! Highness's motion* were watched. what other
reason La; yon for frivin t her a hint with respect to
1.-r omit:leg with llerzami in the garden?-1 had De
other reasot.
Wonhi vet have riven her ale same hint with respect
to cur other servant whom you might have seen her
etiiinr with ?—Etactly the same.
;afett.—From his manners conld von tliseneer whe-
th..r fit'tprol belonged to the higher or lower classes?—
o.
Lard Do.'say.:ttstnet.-1 nigh to know if fierranti had
begun to be a gentleman %rhea rut saw him walkiug on
the terraee J.
Those he had no: begun to he a zentleman whilst you
it the ser+ ice other Majesty?—No.
Then all that von speak I.a with rezard to his conduct
was a I,ilst he was a servant. and not in his second ears-
yof gentleman 7. Intl langh.)—Whilst I was with
Ler ,jes!y he Was 41111sitlered as a servant and waited at
1111-n All von N. him tiler that ?—Not until 4 years
afters writs.
Ili I. i lisTlll.lsT.-11'hen volt !lined at Pesaro. wan
suvuu. rise there Yes : the Countess of 4.11di and
iill.olser lady were at topper.
Ms; there any other person at talsle ?-1 do nol
recollect. _ _

law, romparatirelr unimportant at was that considera-
tion. be we.' girls-fly revtlar In putting the particular
qnemion. Snapose he hail stood a mute behind the table
Of any nnh:e lord who %earll him. and that on a future
oeeaston he was tern treated by the rondeseetnlinlf fa-
miliarity of any other Peer as an equal. would it not be
competent for him to aildnee the evidence of any body
who hail teen the fanti:iarity diiodayed. foe the purpose
of rebutting any inference ant 'night be drawn Irani the
previous cirromstance?
The Loma sweet.t.nn said, that the opinion of the
manner of any body was not evidence, hat if ape act
was seen done by the parties, then the act &gin be
made evidence.
The Part of Liernenot, tenisrked, that owe of the
individuals alldt.lr.l to was dlrul, and could not of
corium she called to apelk to am nut of the transaction.
Sir was again called in, and is eummin %-
lion resumed.
question "tat now pod hr the learned enamel. respect-
btu the behaeloor of the Menial.; twisted* Reraeml. whieh
was obje..tecl to by Mr. Park. After a %nett cll.:Gaston the
natninitioa wet allowed to peAcev.l.
In what manner the Mar 1..14 h•beee to IterTiell on
taking leave !—lle tool, Ilergaml rotnel the nee', and kilted
him take before all the reoroo. This appeared •fn~nlar to
these p.opl• who were tattle arrive I how England. but it
was the common endows ratlrtt eteirWre.
When t • d may It it the common elution of tiro reentry. do
ton mein it it 'the enema of Vie cowman people. or among
Priests and cenit.oise.i!—lt is the eurunon custom among
gentlemen and Vqlllll4.
IN; volt rethrodwr the appeoszla of her Majesty and
'sift. inward', Naples I.—l sin., •

By Lor.l Easatme. —Then whilst Itergaini tram
contoer. %n' phi no sr,mtion to big 10311Hert. hut only
after he b••••anie rh intliorhan : now did von observe ape
thing iu I.:. manners diiierent from those of other Ken.
tlenter ?—No.
Se the E. 4.-1 of Gosran rt.—On the ionrney whirls her
Yajesty took in Naples. 'lid the ladies or the gentlemen
sT•ep t to her (Majesty ?—The gentlemen were
r,ot, lett there were always souse men near to her apart-
figefi 14 a (03rd.
ott know who were the persons that guarJed her ?
—Some of her servants, Ilieronlllloll4 or others, but I did
n is pay particular attention.
Iks yon rememior the date of the time when you went
to Pesaro ?—Ars,l do.
Mention the rear and month ?-1t was last year.
Did von see Itergami then ? —I Jill.
the Rad of LAVDrantl.ll.--11'hen von first Raw
no•rel*-I'. were you intrmloctol to him ?—No; he
cat,., to my with s message from her Royal Ilighnesa.
Who erlille with him?— William ,%nstin. I think.
thit °evasion did lie speak with your servant ?
d,f .tot know If my servant was in the room.
Were yon dressed at that time ?-I'es ; It was after
wiener.
An .t von can't recollect if your servant was in the
room ?-1 cannot.
Was it that evening that von %lipped with her Royal
Highness?—The same.
What company was present!-1 stn not know there
Wd• Count Vitamin 1 think, but they were all unknown
to me. lint Mr. Austin.
Do you remember any one singing !—T remember a icily
: but not at sapper. lier Majesty asked her to alt
lawn to the pianoforte and sing.
Do !on know the name of that lady ?—I Jo not.
Nor her profession?--I 'ln not.
!Wore the Aro recommendation of Hergsmi by the Chala.
b ,rWn Desasullers, did you SP* Rergami in attendance at
llJe inn.
DM yen make any inquiry respecting his condnet in his
gi.t•vetient situation% ?—Riceard was desired to make all
i-e.,:riegrespeeting his ftharlifter.
I), your arrival at Naples, you say, you agreed to go
io••• Itidgings out of the house where the Princess re-
sided. With whom was that agreement made?—With
let ROyal Highness.
Lid you state the secessity of it to her Royal High-
ness ?-1 did. 1 represented to her Kuril Iligloneas,
when rte arrrived at Naples, that'll', rooms were very
but. amt time change sereswary.
Lord Dantisirtos.—Who was sent fur the paasport at
Rome: was it you who asked fora !—lt was 1.4 me, I be-
117sa it was Me. Dadiaary.
Boss Mr. Unites kaow whether the pasupott was sent for
In tt.e name of the goeen of Engles&
objected to this question.

WIS the thiren atm in tbe King of Naples on riveting
1..314.11y She was 1/..1 by Jatehialal Iyerss.
Ihi you remember the House of the (perm at Naples I
I 5!...
1)e yon erenemb..r ohe•her it was large enough for the
witele voile I—lt was not.
1/0 vim remember whether the Queen of Naples railed
nom; ber :thirsty oti the morning *ter her arrival at
Naples ?-11 es. I al, ; I remember it well, fur it was
lilt illity I.t I,• 111 vt...1,14nry.
On the first esiiht of •.:1r arrival where did the Princess
gu t —To the Concert.
Do volt r,rollert whether the Prins-est went the follow-
-411 evening
Where s" -To the rlentee of Ken Cyrini, where the
ttele•leat 1444 tirtillinth lillinittated for her reception. The
kW* and Queen of Nsplei were in the boa with her hIls•
41. vat was the entertainment I—The Opera of the tlmire
sail a Ballet.
How did her Maleor vetnrn from the theatre?—ln
the same state in wiiirlt she went.
At what o'ylnek in the night ?—ft mast hare been 1.2
o'elork, or kelt-past 12 &dark.
Whet males jot remember these things ?—Bernivio I was
lame. and hail to wand the whole night behind the Priam&
Itlisit happens ate; I—The Prim-rue returned home la
the 1141111 milliner, in state, accompanied home by all the
members of her h•oviehl‘ht.
There was a garden attached to the house?—Yeti.
lho von remember any alteration in the garden?—\n-
thing material, there were moue trees nailed up to the
wall that had fallen down.
Were there any with:non at work there ?—Yea there
were some rerwtti4 etnphiyed to nail Sip the trees.
lAt von remember ally thing atom erowning the host
of the Kitty; .P-- Ves, there was an eistertainnsent, and at
a certain part of the evening it was expected that a door
war to open. and two females. the Ihieliesas of Peg-
matilli ructuritnil, and the Doke of Fe:Arend, en-
tetra. and they ersovtie.l the host.
HMV 1111 the Princess dressed on that reerasion?—Slie.
was dressed like Hope's 31inerva, or some figure of that
Was there line thing wide cot in that dress?--No, it
mot as ffoqi.l ao of that Ilreirp as routs! be.
In point of fact, was it it long and ample dress ?--It
tins. • • _ .
Flow were the other ladies dressed ?--3lnell in the
Sante crn r.
• Did the 'kris :lien of theme vieweil together.
appear to poi to 1w a hey 1111 l illr and fit areas for the occa-
sion "r
—lt slid not appear os me extraorilinart or unfit ;
the floor opened like A flash of lightning, and indeed it
sermml intended that this should make part of the repre-
sentation.
Dial von quit the goren at Napie'
No. 1 slid not --• • NI

The Soucuon-a [VERA •
The ?.oats enquirruma inquired if the witness knew this
from own knowledge I—No. funs what peoplo said.
CellB4llllllKalt.—When Hemline' welketl on the ter-
T 243.• with her Majesty, wu he behind her nr on one sh!e!—
BeS!it as servant.; 'unfitly walk with their iniqtreviee.
If there were no iteproprieur In Rergansi's manner of
walkine with the Princess, whey did you [ire the hint
to the Princess which you have mentioned ?-1 saw no
impropriety in It myself, hot 1 apprehended, that other
parlous who were about her Royal Highness might give
it a different construction.
Here the witness withdrew, and
Sir tll ihiam Dell was nest ealle.l.—Kr. Wu u twq-hoped
that es the witeellg was insllspoarvl, their loud +hips wosuld
all ,w Wm the lisdnlgrnee of a their.
Lou CNIUCCSLLOR 11111401,11001, that air William had
tbe rent. which was quite selkient to entitle Mtn to a seat.
Fla:Lined be Mr. Wit.t.sano.—Yoe,.!believe, are Chem-
IwirMle so her hl-qiety the Queen 7—l an.
How lone bars you beau in the sculles of her Molest y?—
From about a 'path before she went abroad.
Did von aetwompatiy her abroad?-1 dkl.
Lie you renswahre • Courier being discharged on rierst-
rivri in linty T—ltle. •
Wiwi.' was that?—l Wiese IS was at Fierrete. •
Did yea wake spoliation for seethes to saresed
I f 'AMIGO aisle se application to the WWI/
es ideas, beano, the rfteloillieft• MM

or attend her for-

les.
thrr?...:Nn. dill not attend her tiatlier.
Why sn?-11eranse, I was tired of travelling, partien-
lady in winter, awl roulil not keernp to her male of
travelling.
What was the rea.nif--I hail the gout, frequently.
Did run see hrr Majesty after that, time ?—Yes, several
Dow lohg iliil von retn.iin in wailing?—.ll long as
she rensained at Rome.
ISA any persons of distinction visit her lligliness at
that time‘...,-Yrs, l.
‘'an yow mention any of those persons Conn%
Iseas. 'the Fr-nth AMltassador. I. remember this from
remarkable rirennistanre. Hr Winn-attired himself as',
Minister t,itn tlie Ilonse of lionrbon, anil at the same
rime Minister from the Hons.- of 'twat's*, who'
amt wilt-. 1 on her 3lnieuy, introduced himself as W.
Mart of the Howie of lionthun.
To what perio.l do you allude ?....-After her Majesty's
return from Tarkey.
Hush Rtie hero sooty time retnrued from her vutige?.-.
She was jest rrtnrnrd.
• When were van again in etteMlausee on the &or
vflla Itn4inetti and rills Braude.
Flow long did yuu remain in *tramline* at that thae?i
•--Three month.. Sather more than less.

IVlty did von not continue in
jeety longer than three months _ ,
ing to travel to the. North, and gave the permission to
go to Napie..
IVhere was her Majesty going at that time 7.--Therc
was a large party going to Como.
Did any persons of distinction visit her there
several, I remember it partiettlar!y.
Hare von ever been in attendance on her Majesty
since that time until lately ?---Ves s for a few days, when
she passed through Rome as Quern. the last tinte.
Were you employed at that tiro.' to apply for a pass.
pert:--so, but I saw an order for post horses, whirl.
is considered the same thing, signed by the Secretary
of Mate.
Did you seethe Secretary of State sign It I—No, boa he
Wird leverets, who said itlwas the signature of onsalv i, the
Secretary of State.
iThe tvroa%ev-0 esea %C. objected to Vail question; he
, contrived the ladrodortion afthis passport was quite irrele-
yin' to the present eartiry, and should not be permitted.
Mr. Myst sm was of opinion that the objection of his
Learned Friend was merely technical, and that it was also
covey: .'rely contrary to the rules of the strictest end doe In
the strictest .'curse of justice. He zed, there were marks
connected with this etreumstanee deeply concerning the In-
terests of his Royal Mistress. hut that he hoped, it would
nit be necessery for hitn to state them at present. Toe Si.
knee of their Lords'aips indeced him to proceed, and be had
to inform them, that in this passport, the sleeretary of State
to his holiness had treated the Queen, as merely Princess of
wales, wit:tout st fcr even the ceremony of en Act of
Parliament. De eomp:ain -la the injustice of this conduct
in the most vehement manner.
Mr. 1t ILLI/014 followed on the same side.
Tar Avroasits Desert %T. replied. 11e said that the
Learned Gentlemen on the opposite side availed theruseiv es
of every opportunity of appeatieg to their Lordships feelings
whenever an objection was started. Ile submitted that
no rule was more clearly established than the rule that
secondary evidence could not be admitted until the absence
of the primary evidence .ad been previously explained. In
the present case the best evidence was, clearly, the doen-
sent itself. and that atone could be received in evidence,
or. at all events, na verbal evideore of Its contests
imail he received until It had been proved that due diligenee
bad been used to procure the original doceneent. These
1 observations he humbly submitted as to the admissibility el '
• this species of evidence. for there was a stronger objectieg
which would go to the admissibility of the doctiment itself'
even If It were now at their lesrditiips* Dar. That objee-
sloe would be as to the Ivies ahey of the document as applied
to the question now coder trial. The question now under
' trial was simply as to the coudnet of tor Majesty in tie
year ISIS; and bow eau:a an order for post horses or a pass-
port. even If either. or both of those documents were before
' the House. how could thy have any possible bearing e
the present question?—.% few words should be offer d re-
: erecting an observation which hid been thrown out that
this was a teenniesl objection. He should In answer to this
obsersation, only remark that his present duty had bees
I cast epon him by that House. In the performance of that
duty it breatne him to offer legs! evidence on the one aide.
and to seethe' nothing but legal evidence was received free
the other. That Jury he should perform to the best of his'
ability. end hr was not to he deterred by reproach or Israe-
li v e frets the discharge of it.
Tue Lord Cm syceLtrot said, the present question was
ton-fold—first as to the admissibility of the esi knee in
question, and next to Its relevancy to the matter under trial.
Ile thought that by analogy to the proceedings of other
Courts, secondary rodent-,• :how., Dot he admitted until the
absence ore'r primary evidence led been satisfactorily ac-
counted for. If, how earl, their Lordships should be of a
different opinion, it might he proper to consult the Judges.
A lowr nod irregular eons reflation then followed, In which
the Lord Chancellor. the 311r/tuts of Ltertowne. the Earls
of Liverpool end Lauderdale. and Lord Erskine took a part.
when it was ultimately .m.ler.tood that the Jotgre should
not be consulted, and that the examination should be
resented.

Examination regimes!.
When von aaw the Quern at Rome, on the last urea
aim, to twilit+ you have alluded, diJ you see Dergami ?
—Yea. arteral times.
INJ yon are Ilerg.tini ae well in the presanee of the
Quern a. wham Ow was not there ?—Yrs, seseral times.
Now, I first ask yon, Sir William tiell, whether or
not, in the dente moor of the (astern towards Berganoi,
or in the demeanour of Rerkassti towards the Queen,
von saw any thing inderorous or improper ?—Not in the
how.

In what manner aid Bergand conduct himself to-
wards thr *teen on the occasion when von saw them to-
Tether ?—.llways pith respect. Ile ilitcerery thing that
he ought to do. Ile did nothing that appeared to me
ratraorilinary or particular.
Was the l'oisotefis of 01.1 i in attendance on the Queen
at Rome, when you were there p—No, not at that time.
DWI you see her whilst you were at Milan?-1 think
lot.

What lentrth of tittle Mai the Conntess of Oldi in at-
tendance nn the Qtteett whilst von were with her?—.lt
the Villa Brandi, alone, for three months.
11411 yiiii au opportunity of judging of the conduct.
, and manners of the Countess of Oh ?--I
is.soi a very 'cowl opportunity. I sat nest to her every
flay at dinner.
11'n4 the Ctsiontert of Oldi a low and vulgar person ?
Certainly not.
What was her general appearance and demeanour ?—Shc
its% rather good-looking and a reopeeiable modest WO.
On any occasion did Itersanti say ■ny thing to you when
the Queen was nut present. and **at wag Isla randaet at
those limes t—lle was rather more respectful than necessary.
Ile required to he asked to sit down.
Voss have been some time In Ihh• hare.
14 it uaal, aceordint to the habits of that etwintry. for
men to be In the Win' rooms while they are In bed k
not oneoesteon. It II vrrs motel.
Of your own konwlrdee. slid Louis Bergamot everdine at
the Princess's table
ones-, or morel---I cannot remember more than onee at
this moment.
Von tune here te the Watt!.--4 have.

liner yo* been in the habit of seeing a kind of Moorish
dance In the eastern eountriest----Nut only In the Kast, but
In Spain miss.
Will sou describe it generally If you can do so?----(1
; laugh.)
The Loan f'ttaecti.Lon---Mr. Williams, you will reed-
) legit that Sir W. Urn has the goat.
Wittsess.—lt is the same dance as tlizt which every
hode in London has seen at the different Theatres,
called the Spanish ltolero. In some part of the exhibition
two of :Its dancers advance towards each other, some-
times in defiance, anal sometimes in an amorous attitude.
It is common in the South ~f Europe, and every body
sees it, lathes and gentlemen. I have seen it boat at
II and et Naples:
• Ihtrin,, the time rain were it Naples did any families
visit lievltoval ?—rvery body who was there.
All the Neapolitan nobility ?—.III the Neapolitan
and all the ?nigh.), who were there.
Were they English who hod bees presented at the
Court of the King of Naple ?—1 believe every one with-
' out exception.
11'ill you name some of them?—The Martinis of Sligo,
the ‘lartiu(t of Coitus nglient. Lord and Lady (Mrfortl. Lora
and Lodi n Wand. and many others; Lord sod Lad, Lander,
f.ady Elisabeth Forbes. mad many others, whom I canned
rammeniber4 ever) body who was helm.
Wheu von were at arena. do )05 {.now that Lord 1N-
Mow& dlised with the fjueen ?—1 do not know any thiag of
r Lord Binerth. . _

Di you ksow, whim ou were et Rome an the lest nee*.
dim whether 111oewami wn• received los Wellies of reek I.—
Ado sot recollect w Wilber he seer well thew*.
Ceato.etaweine.l by Ur. Psaa.--4/ow• Wog W.'S MI at
ifbaSE the last timei—.k few dies lowly.
*How loyterwore you la suit/Aaron open hoe Royal
Ingham at mats from bolos voyage ?--Tho