The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-04-22 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.
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&man that an opportunity would arrive according to the
notice given that evening, when the discussion of %beset*-
** would be folly entered iato.
Mr. BENNET said that he conceived be had a right ti go
Abe 'extent he at. upon a 'notion.
—"Tr. GOULSIIRN said that he would defer any furber
ezplanatinn until the time of bringing forward 'his motion.
Mr. AIIERCROVIRY wished thafthereon mightmitte he inett
ford-
ed in this return, the number of perss committed
offences under this Act. as it would show a most alarming
state of the country. He understood thwatere either aunt ittu in the cnunty oi,
Cork atone, no less than 200 persons
lor disehaefed. In consequence of people being reluctast to
Come forward and prosecute.
suggested that the return might
Mr. V. FITZGERALD sugg
' luclude 29 the Counties where the Insurrection Act was pet
In force.
. The return, as amended, was then put and carried.
TIER WAREHOUSING BILL.
Mr. WALLACE moved that the Warehousing Bill be
read the third time.
Mr. BRIGHT said that it was his intention to prosose
certain amendments in this Bill, by which he hoped to
render its details less objectionable. The power of the
Lords of the Treasary over this country,s which thisßbe
ill
recognized, would, he trusted, be se
to that part co 7 the
rionly ewed
the House. He particularly objected
Bill, which decreed a forfeiture of a ship
in case d the
slightest attempt to re-land the goods whch have been
put on hoard'of her for re-exportation.
The Bill was tio,n read the third time.
Mr. WALLACE stated that he h
hailseveral anted-
at
snents of it:voila= to propose, hi explained
length. The first amendment referred to the bondsliveu
by Captains of ships. The oligation to give bona% by
these persons, was found in pbrsctiee to be fall of income,-
nience. Ile proposed, therefore,to abandon the necessit)
of giving bonds. The next amendment referred to the
removal of goods from one port to another. At present
the person importing was obliged to give a bond—and
even after he had sold the goods, and that they *ere
eve removed to another port, the bnd still hung over
then importer. He proposed, therefoore, that when the
goods were sold or removed to cancel the original bond,
and substitute the bond of the purchasers. By another
amendment he proposed that goods entered for home
consumption 'might he !told for exportation on payment
of the duty. lie had also attended to the suggestion
an Hon. Gentleman with respect postures of unt. Acscohinrdin ld
g to
the Will, as it at present stood, th a cou
not be transferred until the ship was broken up. Ile
would propose to alter their provision.
British He also pantatropoionsed
1, that the regulation which applied pl
coffee, should be extended to coffee of all kinds. The
next alteration was with respect to the warehousing of
East India goods. The 4311 of the late King enabled
personsto warehonse goods coming from the East In-
dies. The Bill as it now stood repealed this Act. But
be proposed that this part of the Act should be amended
and the operation bf the Act restored. The last amend-
ment he had to propose, was one of great importance.
In the last Bill the House would remember, that
desirable
the ex-
emption of biros was general. He thought it
now to change the present Bill so far as to snake tittex-
eruption of %mem agsin general. •'.
Mr. BRIGHT, after proposing several verbal amend-
ments, said. that be would forbear from rashly any
wore, as he found he would not he able to SEWS the
attention of the HOuse to the great number which he
had still to propose. He would, therefore,
terations which he thought necessary to be mulcts, the
other House of Perliantent, where he hoped they would
be attended to with doe vigilance.
, The Bill' was then passed, after some vernal amend-
rnaeuts. • .
1 Innen CORITOSITION HILL (IRELAND),
• OR the natation of Air- GOU LBU RN' this Bill was read
a second time.
On the motion that it be committed--
Mr. S. RICE said, that unless the Bill were to be-very
much moat in .its details, it would greatly disappoint
the expectations of those for whose benefit it was intend-
et He visa glad of the progreos made by the principle
of the Bill:•'l7beHottse was told last
seemsear, and frequent-
ly before. that the way could not be through a corn-
and much les through
i a Loo mut
ation
Friend
et his some years ago ; but if his Hon. Friend's propooi-
'don had been then adopted, the House would not now be
!legislating under the circumstances in which Ireland
.was at present placed. Last year even Rivas boldly as-
serted in that House that a compu but lso
he was glad to find
ry agreemeut could
sot form any part of such a Bill,
that the princtple of the Bill was compulsory--not that
e hoped compulsion should be necessarily resorted to.
But he was of opinion, that, in the state of irritation in
which the people of Ireland were placed by recent tate,a-
-' ewes, it would be impossible to bring together two oppo-
site parties whose interests and whose feelings were so
much at variance. He also thought it would be difficult
to find any equivalent for tbe clams of the Clergy as the
Dili at prescut implied. For what they received the
seeeterceectuld Del he so difficult, because in that there
was something tangible. lie wished that the Bill would
be investigated by a Coottnittee up stairs either before or
after it came befeiro a Coininittee of the whole House.
' The importance or the roeasure required the most serious
delibecatioo and ample discussion, which it could not so
convellietaity receive in that House.
Mr.-GO LDURN said it was then unnecessary to re-
ply lloell,the observations of the Hon. Member. The
motarioavenient time to propose those objections, and to
reply to them, would be when the Bill was is the Com-
mittee. He did not think that a Committee up stairs
pro
would facilitate the peress of the Bill. There was al-
', ways in such a Committee less order, as
he wel bers l as more at-
a
Written to some particular is
T Mem of
Committee up•staws also, whether open or limited, were
Uselik.dy to agree athong theateelves. He thought no
Aw siqit for the fullest consideration of the amour as
a Commttfee of:the Whole House. He was well woe, to
brineiog forward the Bill, that he was undertaking a
-
task oLneesmall dithcialty. • -- •
Mr: V. FIT,ZGERALO and Col rennet
their approbation of the suggestion 0f.,04 Hip. Member
Sur Limerick (Mr. Rice).
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that no place was so fit
for the examination of the details of the Balkan a Com-
mittee of the whole House. • 3:
Mr. PEEL conceived that the House Might to take
aiibit tiMlf the discussion of every part of a buSiness of .
sails hisportaticees' the present. He was thetefore for
refer
MMsRYnetbe Milt toll Committee of the whole Hoase. .1
PARNELL thought it would be better '
to ham the Bill discussed by a Committee of the whole
House. •
• Colonel FRENCH considered this to be a subject of
each vast importance, that it ought to bare the most
open discussion. As to compensations to be given to
the clergy, fie was convinced that they ought not to be
given for any claims of the clergy, and given only for
the present property of the church, belonging to the
church.
Mr. HUSIE said this was very far from being the sort
of measure which be wished for. or would recounnend.
His idea was, that a great part of the tithes ought to be
Rot rid of altogether, and that a reasonablfe allowad
thneir
ce
should be made to those clergymen who perorme
dutiei. lie would have a fair arid liberal proiision made,
not only for the Protestant clergy who did. Abele duty,
but saw foethe Catholic clergy Waits. nejoat and
_moostruus to give large income* toan estalifishad,:elergy.
in a country where four-fifths of the people were,of aa.
ferent ieligimr. He would -not anew an inconse to. any
clergyman who did no.duty. Ile 11`45
.dispoted to agree
with those who wanted to refer the consideration of this
question to the whole House, for the public would never

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inrreac• the qoanrooi, or aster the mode of collecting the
Duty on Foreign Timber imported into Ireland.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD stitl this communication was
import in., as he knew there were many large orders. fur
tiitiber in Ireland, snspenle.l in consequence of the Igno-
r ince which prevailed in the trade with respect to the
in.
tentions of Government.
The Drove resumed, and the report was ordered to be
brought np to-morrow.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of.
Adjourned at a Quarter past eleven o'clock.

be satisfied with any discussion carried on in private'
whereas a public discussion would have a great effect on
public opinion.
Mr. W. SMITH said his opinions coincided very much
with those of the Hooourable Gentleman who spoke last.
At the same time he moat say, that the measure
toebfore
the House was merely palliative, and not tending pro-
duce any benefit. So long as an established clergy were
receiving immense incomes in 'lreland, from a population
professing a different religion, there never would be any
thing like peace in that country. All the Insurrection
Acts that Parliament roold pass would never qnell the
disturbances in Ireland, so lone as such* system of in•
justice as this continued to prevail. He wonid permit
the Bill to go to a Committee ; and he would particu-
larly support the latter clause, which provided that the
Bin might be repealed during the present Session.
The Bill was ordered to be committed on Friday next.
On the Order of the Day for the second reading of the
Irish Militia Reduction Bill,
Mr. HUME took occasion to censure the conduct of
those Colonels of militia who in their correspondence with
Government desired that the regiments might not he dis-
banded. For such conduct as this, which was nothing
less than an attempt to beard the Government, 01bcers in
any other service would be dismissed. He believed that
the regimen were kept up merely for the convenience of
the Colonels.
Mr. GOULBURN did not think that the lion. Gentle-
man bad made a very fair representation of the business
to which this Bill releted. The officers allud
nee ;ed to h
but
ad
not done auy thing in opposition to the Gover
rather wished to carry into effect the power width the
law conferred on them. :
The Bill was then reed a second time ; and on the
question that the Bill be committed,
- Colonel BARRY rose to express his surprise that the
Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Hume) should holdout the
loctrine that the Crown should have the entire power
and controul over the Militia as it had over Army ;
far thie force was not the Army of the Crownthe but of the
Parliament.
Sir N. COLTHURST defended the conduct ofthe
Militia Colonels.
Mr. HUME explained. What he recommended was,
that tile Crown should have the power to pat down an
expensive establishment like this, if it chose.
The Bill was ordered to be committed to-morrow.
On the question for the second reading of the Irish
Church Rates •Bill,
Sir J. NEWPORT object de to the large powers which
this measure would give to the Eeelesiastical Courts. He
then mentioned some cases of great h
artadship suff
er those by
poor men in Ireland, who had e ted bef
Courts on pretence that they had not paid their tithes.—
The hardships amounted to nothing less than persecution,
carried on in the most capricious and cruel manner. He
coati not therefore agree to any Act that went to give
such an oppressive and monstrous power to any body of
Eccle,iaetics or other persons, and he he was determined
to take the sense of the House on that clause, which went
to compel the inhabitants of soy parish having. no
Church, to pay the expenses of the Church helongieg
to some adjoining parish. This was a species of
legislation which existed in no other country but Ire- I
land.
Mr. GOULBURN said this Bill did not to give any
new power to the Ecclesiastical Courts.
Mr. FIUME said, be was not disposed to question the
expediency of this arrangement with regard to parishes
in any other part of the world, except Ireland. But if
it was true, as stated by the Right Hon. Member for
Waterford, that there was so great a disparity between
the Members of the established Church and of Roman
Catholics, it was impossible drat any arrangement, which
was grounded on the basis of the majority pa.ying for
churches to which they did oot belong, could give satis-
faction in that country. Such a measure must produce
irritatiou and resistance, and really the Government
would seem disposed to drivelled! peopla to try what good
they could do themselves by an ammo% to brute force.—
(Hear.) As to the detai ofecti ls the Bill, be thou
That pasgt ht they
were In many respects objonable. of it,
particularly., which left with Ecclesiastical in Courts a jcon.
udi-
cial power in disputed cases of tithes, he thought
sistent with the first principles of jastice. For If in the
e
laws of maim and teems, there was one principle of m
acknowledged justice than another, it was, that the Judge
in an cases should be wholly unconnected with either of
the litigant parties. But here the clergyman was a
btotheronce
the claimant of the tithes, and the Judge In his r
clergyman's cause, which from the reciprocity of their in-
terests was in fact making him a judge icti has, was this own. To
this and many other equally strong objee
Bill liable.
Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD rose to deprecate the
views which had prompted the Hoe. Member to the de-
claration that he had jnet made. He (Mr. F.) could not
conceal his regret and alarm at hearing a ember of
this House talk calmly of an appeal to lirtite force in de-
fiance of the law.—{Hear.) Unfortunately this was the
caurse which had been too long followed io Ireland, but
it was a course which every friend to the laws was bound
to allude to only iu terms.of reprobation. The measure
te House was one high calculated to stiminish
grievances under which Irelandly bad long been suffering,
and it was to be regretted that any Honourable Member '
should gratuitously anticipate effects from it, which were
io
likely to mar the success of an arrateement which had
received the unanimous sandn oft
Parliament, and the
entire approbation of the country.
Mr. It UME, in explanation, said if the form of words
which he had used was ucparliamentary, he had no he-
sitation in saying that they escaped him in the heat of
debate, and that might have conveyed more than he in-
tended to express. Let him not be understood, however,
as compromising for one moment the liberty. of speaking
his sentiments, which he woold ever exercise in its full
intent, an hog as he had a seat in this Hosts'. Theee
was ne.part of the sentiment which he wished to di.-
row. If-he thought that tha..swessurce a Government
calculated to produce irritation andaliscontent, he would
fearlessly state the substance of his forebodings. 'f
ithin ruth
Could not be offensive any where. End s w
the walls of this Hose, where if nothing but truth was
lipoken, the public interest would be better understood.
Twelve months ago, he was called a spoliator of the pro-
perty of the Church in Ireland, but the insinuatson
should not make him cotillion his opinions. Some there
might he who would think it prudent to conceal the
truth, but he shottld now repeat, that Government is
this lostance shoubl rather take a lesson of caution from
past experience, than by new regulations render an ar-
rangement permanent, which must be ever viewed with
dislike and discontent by the people of Ireland.--
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. V. Fl I'SGERALD—aIf the Honourable Member
means to arrogate to himself any exclusive right of
freely. thinking and fearlesslrexpressiuse his sentiments
in this House, he assumes that which does not properly
belong to him. For myself, I amp repared to uphold that
there is no part of my conduct upon which he tan fix
the character of insincerity.—(Hear.) I am glad that
the Honourable Member has _acknowledged that the TAR AT watt.
words be used were drawn from him in a moment of There is nothing new from the army. The trete
heat: but the House mitat admit that as they were in full march.—The army of Perpignan, whichstrathr
first uttered, it become duty in 'we to animadvert upon
them.,
arrival of the Duke d'Angouleme on the Ebro. rill'
The House then restsmed., and the report Was ordered in movement from the 20th t° the 2" Inst.n sfr
to be up on Tlaersday next. • . days our 100,000 men will be io aline. Then the dear
astan cu
olds. .. ' . blows will be struck. Pantheism and St. Se. haftille
The Hoese thew went -into's Gommittei on the Irish invested; hut they have nat been attached, att4 'II;
Customs Act. • rumours which have been
•Circulated ova this pistil
In answer to a question by M'. SK li
I, Mr. seeiss absurd and ridiculous; Insurrectious niultiltlY it/
stated that it was not the intention of Uovernment to interior of Spain." ..'

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TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL '22, 1.89.3.

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PARLIAMENTARY COMMENTARY.
IN atm Loans.—Nothing at all, except a notice frost
Lord Liverpool, that he should lay the Additional Pa-
pers before the House to-morrow.
IN rate Commows.—lt was notified, that the Yorkshire.
Petition for • Reform would be presented to-clay.—The
Norfolk Petition sets put into Mr.Cozz's bands on Men-
day last, by Mr. CORBETT. Our readers may think it
strange, that this was not done before. The fact is, the
Petition was delivered at the Norwich Coach-office, di-
rected to Mr. COKE,' then supposed to be in London. It
was by some means or other, jostled aboct, and was, at
one time, looked on as being lost. It was, at last, found;
but not until the gentleman who bad sent it had threat-
ened the coach-master with an action. This very or-
rice., affair will, perhaps, yet come into a Court of
haw. It was very mysterious. However, there the
Petition now is, safe in the hands of Mr. Cote.---
We shall now see bow he will deal with it.--
Notice was given by the Ministers of their intention to
.I
renew that t. envy of surrounding nations and admira-
tion of the word I," commonly called, the .‘ Irish Insui-
rectiom Act." This Act, our readers will recollect, shuts
•
people up iii their houses from sur.set to sun-rise ; and
that under it men are transpeited without trial by Jury.
Justices of the Peace and a Lawyer, and no Judge, may
bold the Courts, and decide in the last resort, and pass
sentence and do every thing. But, who can describe the
state of that miserable country Ireland. There was a Bill
read a second time about Irish Chitrch Rates. This Bill
contains all manner of things, and amongst the rest,thet,
where there is no church, or the church is a rein, the
Bishop may direct the parishioners to attend service in
the next parish, and to make them chargeable with
the rate! Sir John Newport said; that the people
thus ordered to attend might be Roman Catholics!—
It is useless to trouble our readers with remarks on
is
so
shocking a subject. Mr. Hume, in speaking npon th
subject, expressed his opinion that the peopleion ought t
r.
use physical force to get rid of sncb an oppress. to
V. Fitzgerald defended the Hill, but expressed Ms regret
at Mr. liume's recommending the-use of physical force;
and that, too, in a country. unhappily so disturbed and.
distracted as Ireland now was! It the subject were not so
serious, would not thislogic make a Stoic laugh ? Why it is
disturbed and distracted because of the very thin gs, the like
of which are caused by this Bill. Disturbed sad distracter',
indeed! And is not this the very thing that Mr. Hume
wishes to put an end to.—Mr. Abercrombie said, that
he understood that the numbers of persons apprehende
under the Insurrection Act had been enormous. No
lea; than two hundred bad been discharged at the Cork
Sessions alone, from a reluctance that had been Mt to
the bringing of them to trial. When such things
are going on, who is to expect peace in Ireland.
The disturbance and distraction will go on as long
as there shall no change be made in the Church
establishment of Ireland. Mr. Bennet presented
a petition front the poulterers of the City of Wes
imin-
ster, praying that the sale of game may be kgfed.
This is very well for the poulterers; but they do not
know yet, that it is intended that they shall have nem
set, the same as fur selling gin or brandy and they do
not know yet, that it is intended that there shoundsld
be a tort of Excisemen to search for the game,. a
sort of Exchequer processes if smuggled game be found;
and they do not know yet, that . the Normans intesd
that the poulterers shall not buy game from any bed/
but them, and that, there shall be permits, io or
der to pass the game from hand to hand. The
poulterers of Westminster are mat yet aware of all this.
and the country is very little aware of any part of this
grand stroke of policy of the Normans. liithetto Oct
have kept the game for sport: now they have a desiv
to sell it' However, we will not anticipate-any furthe
than to promise our readers some of the. best sport tbs
ever. was yet enjoyed. The NOMADS ve pushed*
question to extremities. We, however, ono meaastrii
them to desist. We wish them to go on; for we It
quite satisfied that these game laws Will mainly mil
in bringing the affairs of this country to a proper ami

went.
Paris papers and letters to the 20th have beenrectire!
—The former contain a Telegraphic despatch free
Army, which, on Account of its style and substasm 01
give verbatim:—

" BAYONNB, Aroma
" TUE MAJOR•OSNLRAL TO HIS EXCELLENCY 110.

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