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the demands of the present alarming crisis. On the
contrary, the Noble Earl said that it was no such
thin*—that the blasphemous libels hoe leodered its
introdectioo necessary, and upon shot wood storm
heil challenged the concentrate the concurrence of
their Lordship..—after, Ater !)—Bel er!,al was
the jeeersi inference from the whole of the tealioning
ea the other side? That we were now living P. 13
yeses under a Gonsti•olion •hich, according to their
account, provided no adequate pinsirtameot fee
the cases which the Bill was intended to meet.
—Th. Noble Earl had informed diem that'
fix.officie informations were conducted by re.
api.atible Officers. Of coarse they were. Our
Caamitelian knew of sone bet responsible Of.
fivers. Re bad meted farther, that if a case of
these could he made eel, • roared might be laid fee
an alteration of the law in that respect. Bat did the
Noble Reel forget a motion which Ite (LorkPollsetl)
bad sohneitted to the Halide ale or evert peers ago.
sot to take away the power itself, though be wished
that he eobld do it—not to charge the then Attorney.
General with soy corrupt obese, bet to obtain per-
mission to prove by evidence at the Bet of that
noose, that ex oxide idermations bad 'stressed in
the proportion et 4(i to I beyond any other modest
proceeding, and that ill of t° informations that wets
filed not above two or three were prosecuted. Upon
that occasieo be recollected heiug told by the Net!.
Earl, that if they wets to remove that single stood,
from the edifice, no one could tell what the cone:
leenres might be ; that though the abase could
set be defended, it was expedient. to stick by tie
Wiest law. Bet hers Mere emit soother ant lent
fee the protection of the people twines the
power of the Grown, sod the secessity of sticking by
she old Constitution was forgotten. Whirl he bad
lest heard the Bill described as one to pretest es.
oecessery delay in the adatinistratioo of jollies is
cams ..f wiisdene r, he respected that it weeld have
Wei directed against dela)s on the pert of the Crowd
as tied as on the part of .tie second, either being ed
injury to the public. But saw be found that it was
to operate only upon one si le leaving to the other all
the advautages which it peraeLed before. His Lord.
ship then catered at length isle an etaellostiee of
the present practice, and maletained that the Bill be.
tom the noose was ore of the molt clammy sad Ga•
letelligible specimens of legislation that had ever
epee ender his notice. Nothing could have delighted
the late herd Steobepe mere thee to hews bad such a
subject for the eterciee of Ms logical acuteness. The
Old come/faced by stating • direct falsehood, mad
thee proceeded to east( whati nes if the state.
sae was true, could afford no remedy for the evil.
.-wThe Noble and Learned Lord himself had ed.
milted its i eperfeetion in acknowledging that the
preamble required alteration, and that the es.
essaminis shoold be revised and corrected In the
Committee. The impropriety and it jestke of
hiking (roil the 'messed party the right of post.
posing trial, as he now possessed it, was strongly
illustrated by an anecdote be bad heard of the groat
Lord Shaftesbery, the aethor of the Cheraderisties.
Iles Lordship, while a Member of the Woo of
Commons, ingratiated a Bill, the object of which
was to grant to persons accused of high greases, sad
even of felony, the booed' of emplojing Counsel.
In the cootie of his speech, he betimes se
confused that bis memory failed him. After • me.
mentor, pause, he made this strong appeal, address.
log himself to the Speaker:—" Sir, If I, who is
only arguing an abstract questing), am so mew.
I tasted as to forget the ressonieg by which it was my
letention to have supported it, will yeti sot grist a
moo in the situation of beteg tried for his life,
some assistance to protect his against sock as as.
.Went"— (near, ?leer, Ater!)—So he might say
GI the present Bill. Would they, by peaks
hi take from the accused that power of delay
which might be Necessary to his proper defence.—
Whatever the evils of the present practice might bee
the Noble Lord was bound in show that there was am
other remedy. But the Noble Earl had show. the
ellotrary a few nights ego, for on soloing that dill
A i sea might to be held more frequently, be had
pmeited out a more easy and constitutioo.l remedy.
In cases of ex.offitio iefota.stion, the accused was at
the merry of the Atterney.Geseral as to whether be
should be tried or wet, aad there were at this
atomeat more than forty prosecutions banging
one- the he do i f dui/Ingot iudividieals for nios
or tee years back. To omit the correction et
each a gammon, in a Bill of this swore, well
.oestrous. A greet part of the evils ace tom.
plaited of, arose from the growing distrust of the
people In the Parliament. The present Bill was
calculated to shako their coefidanco more, and if
any one could base a ebb to add to the alteration et
the public mind they could dot succeed more elec.
tually than by going ou with treactineens entirely oil
one side of the question. If, when the Bill came
out of the Committee, it was so modified as to check.
delays upon all occasions, be might say content to
its weeklong, bet as it stood at present he felt it Me
duty to oppose it In this stag..
I Lord LII.FOiti) insisted ',rosily upon the se.
entity of putting down blasphemous poblicatioes,
sod upon that ground supported the Pitt.
The Bill ass then read a second time, and ordered
to be coosnined nit Tuesday.
POSSI.sSIOI OF ARMS RILLS.
The Mow. hawse/ salved Welt into a t.....maillte• ea the
l'oreatiost of Amy
The Earl of DARN LEY mowed fur the natiuion of that pert
of she etas.. authorised search by mew, coutendlog that
all the purposes attic dill would be aftweied b 3 limit sag the
levee 5.. deeds) liar.
Lord BLUISI NI; COM expressed • fear that she Bili.was it
tended to be pet us ail row its Itelaad, where all w, sea
deprecated Cr ugly We hapalky *iamb • rae..surr. Ifealioted
to pow expellent e tha, country, 'or the purpow .f.beibieg
the evils with e.. 15-15 he piaci& woe fraught. *ad the about
with which it .a.' hero tairoded.
Lard SIMMOU ill tool. Iwo she Bill only applied 'eremite
cooed.. i• (41111 Bit UM. WO lbw a ;roar? oat to ea-
lewd provlooot in 1re5•541. if it eels ticerytary. lie
objected to the antetulocat p apaobllty the Noble Lord, with-
out iii?', he tc.te...!rd v.• :101aii.at he emaled. (Ise

'PH ERE tome not Tkkete and Shires selleient to !jealous oye'et one which, like the prompt, mode so
mert she public dews risotto EirSl Doe of 0,11111•11 i 111111,04111 an lonisation/ in the earlow law of the land.
vairb ortahotial • gnat dissepolarwcat la elf porn of the .1 tw.-
C 44111111. 1111 Lerresoup ist weal is'. some detail iltspeetiiic
1 To pi.e.eet a recerreece the eicappeiatmeot so remelt, the Nei of ea individual Weil wow years slow for
eliltalierd "a "sr rull Day ar Drill"( (Sib 14"'''''brOs Hish t ,in attempting the life of the ling in
oith regrow/meads Ms best Friends, she Public, to hot • n_ e L. A...
se time is mat * lora coals tea for worms n. 11$1.14WPSI SPOPIIIIss, inf. too
14" r THURSI"T• 9.h DENIM iffit to show the superior excellence of the British laws
W hell all the
SIX PRIZES OF to
ed MAY BE DRAWN. Nth raped to trial, for High Treasen,_they having
The Two Mai prise. decided Nest Tharrilay.flth December, for their object ollet the prisoner shoold be brought,
will race ha., .11,0.1.00 moaner.
.810.000 l/4 TUN Fitful' FIVE alliolUTF.S. to trial, freed, as fat es pnesible from the operatiou
Tick. to awl Shares. warmed midmost. tom sewn by of Soy prejudice that might be fished ardent him.—
T. !shim Ilio&h.tooscr. 4, fershill, awl 9, Chariest-mu , this argemmat to cases of misdemeanour
tad by hi, AseMS In tie reentry.
prev et Mad ha. steady *Ai Five Forks's le the prover)
by this Bill, he observed, 'bat the 11111 in its
Louct9 *pal at Liverpool. solo rot Cl Onset the °Cid might feed to harry we the trial of perseoe
b.ezoreZaes. drarism:he Firor,l!ny a.. 1 his Agee at /Ws- owlet 'circeenttatitue in which prejudices might be
D 11;. "ft I slier 1 'lle rf l2°4°) " the 1111. e *meting *eldest them in the most unfavourable,
1114 toner. Bet if it was persisted la to make this im.l
novatioe ie the onciwat law of the Used, why met
Liowoeute madly in tweet el the dufinvilaw, es OA
reelliFfoneSt of the prosecutor; fa'te'd of ibis, the'
Boil wield twee the defend'st en to trial, ender fre.
greatly the most enfaveersble circemstances, whilst
the Attorney-General, who possessed the melt grind.
hag power of any OMNI in the country, might He,
leformatioes, and keep thee hanging over the heads
of
indieideels, withoet its beteg possible for them
to force •him on to trial. In other cases, where the
Cr... was oat the immediate promoter, the de.
leaden, might carry dews the record, and thus force
ors a trial; but In the cases of ieformatiosis fled by
the Attorney•Gyeeral, the defeedaat could sot carry
rtotr• the record 'simnel a warrant from that officer.
Wby wit then, if there must be an innovative, take
away the power of the Attorney.threeral to keep a
aleteedent fortefinitely in sespence, as well as the
power of the defeedant to postpone his trial. View-
ing, as he did, this Bill as part of a system, and
coupled with the other measures which hid bees
proposed, it was impossible for him to give it his con.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said the principle of
`ibis Bill was perfectly simple and intelligible ; and,
linden they assented to this principle they had better
at enc. say that as mock 'edifies sod blasphemy as
their propagators pleased might be published. He ad.
mitted.that, when any innovation le the old laws of
the land were proposed, some strong ground must be'
stated for the inewatioe. Delay in trials for
sole offeens was most injurioes benign the same
aeon,' might be daily repeated ler a great length of
time before the defeladaat timid be brought to trial ;
that was not the case la matters of treason, and other
enbailable crimes —H. should be the last man in
the world to treneb we the proper liberties of the
Press. which should be considered the strongest
security of a free state; bet he called on the
Hoes, whether some suasive was mot necessary
to rent the lierwthaesness of it, which produced
daily too most abominable Kings, offensive to morals
and religiose. Bo looked et the public Meetings as
comparatively small evils when considered with the
licentiousness of the Press. He desired toe mat to
site for env of the measures against the licentious.
was of the Press unless he was fully convinced of the
evils now teseitiorg from it. If them evils were ad.
seined to exist, was it to be endured that a defend•
ant should Wallowed to pot of his trial almost as long
as he pleased? lie would answer that, for a twelve.
mouth past, prosecutions had been commenced against
persons for seditious end blsopheanoo, libels, bet
during that period it had be found impossible in
bring more that one man to Wel, and to bring hies
to jossoice. He bad a beard an arcusadoo oval's*
the Attosney-Generals that they were too ready to
prosecute ; but rather that they wise too slow in pre.
leading. He therefore saw no necessity of deprivieg
the Attetney-Gesteral of soy of the powers belong.
ing to this °thee.
Lord HOLLAND Impressed hid surprise at the
speech of the Noble Esti, which appeared to him to I
threw a slur on the Noble and Leaned Lord which
would not have beers considered gait* civil if it had
proceeded from that side of t he Hesse. The Noble Earl
had ale I espreawd himself as if. the indent Lies and
Corotitutton of the country were, if not abated in
principle, at least inconvenient in practice. Th• Noble
Era admitted, that oben a change was about to be
made, • 'torrid of necessity shield be made set to
justify the change. Bat his Noble Friend es th•
Woolsack had made est no ground whatsoever—
and, therefore, was fairly exposed to the severe re.
hake he received. Bet, with regard to the Noble
Eon's principle of altering the ancient Laws and
Constitution of the eotinlry, on a case being wide
out, what more could the Radkals contend for ?
Those laws, it should be recollected, were subject
to the consideration of individuals as distinguished
for talents and information es any in esistence at the
present day. They were coosidered at the period of
the Iterolution, among others, by no less a man than
1,-.rd Somers, who, after taking the opinion of Lord
lisle, contended that indictment was the best and
safest evade of proceeding. Seth was the spirit
which /misted in those floes. But she Noble Estl,
after dispatching the loss and Cenatitedoe, biked
baggage, came at length to assign his reasons for
the passing of the Bill. And here be had begged
the question all along. Alleding to the blasphemous
publtcations, be hail salted, could it be reasonable
.hat they should be permitted to go ? The answer
was no; for the laws ire sufficient to sJp;irrisv them.,
Elms in the case of sn individe .1 who had been tried
and condemned before far the same offence, the law
ono adequate to measure his punishment, for the
Judge 1...1 the power In capitalise thst fact, and to
deal with it as Oil aggravetion. BA she most carious
feature in the debate ass, thst the two Noble Lords
dillered as to the gement! of necessity by which she
!I'll was justified. The Noble I ,rol on the Wool.
sick, it was tree, did not coodewend to state hit
spedEr grounds, hut then he had let them into own
tact, ohirh was sufficient to establish the sliff.rento ;
he had Said that lie had the Bill a Inn; time under his
consideration, ..,t1 did net repo+, it noW to CIO

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
ROUSE OF I.OROS, Gss. 3.
INPARLING AND TRAVERSING.

The LORD GIiANO:LLOR, en sieving the
Mood sea ling of hit Bill for preventing daisy in the
IldMinistratiou of justice, in cases of mildemeenoa.
awed into some esplrit.iti.in of the object of the
Bill, nearly similar to what his Lordship stated on
istrodoeing It, showing the baring of the differeot
Class's of it ; tM general summary being so sake
sway the right of Impaling to I:iformations bled, or
Indicative's found in the Coat of King's Bench, ere
removed there ;'''aud the right of what was called Tray
',flies at Ses-loos and other Courts, or in otter
worth, petting oil the trial after pleading till the en-
suing Staines, and coo:alio* the pales to Plead
within a cereal's number of days in the King's Bench,
after information Sled, •r indictment found, end p
to trial ; rod et Session*, compelling them, if ender
hail, to plead end b. tried et the same Sessions at
which the indictment is freed ; or if not upon bail,
to ;steed and try at the ensuing Session,. In every
case the Court to have a discretionary power to grant
father time according to circumstances; and in all
cases the Defendant to have the sane facilities as
; the Prosecutor to obtain a certiorari before indict-
! um n• found at any Sessions to remove it into the Gala
'of King's Bench. With regard to what had been
said as to Ike panties a copy of itiforesation or in-
d eisoent •t the public espence, lie was perfectly
realty to accede to a proposition of that nature, stud
be weight -Lie his tiers of the 'abject in the Bill ;
but it et A he obvious Mat sisal Masse was not the
place t ••• &nate any question of emotes. lice
Lords .11 inaluded by again declaring that ou went
c rya 111 e tea hid irdoced him to bring forward this
Bill. hut that it was pitauealy in his contemplation
as 4 me•sere which the great delays in the trials of
anis anger,. ariske from the present state of the
law moo:stoat, required.
•rhe Earl GROWENOR, with reference to the
measures proposed by Ministers, of which this
I formed a part, obsessed, that the aquiry (for which
he had voted) into the state if the country hiving
been refused, he was not uas so much Will/steed tee
wards these measures as he shoeld have been bail lbw
enquiry been granted. Tbe refusal of the enquiry
tended, in his opinion, to aggregate the discontents
which rested, and thus to render necessary the
strops measures which afro now proposed. lie
frosted, booster, that their Lordships would ant
allow this Bill, which wrist to take away an import.
ant right from Me subject, to be read a ,second time
without the Cellist conaideration, nor wash. disposed
to accede to it without better evidence of its ne-
cessity. •
Laid ERSKINE l if the object of the Bill
bad bees to give gre cavity to an individeal
accused, he should have ts disposed to give it his
airport, hut lie yield not vote for a Bill which went
•to take away from a deftnilarit that sausity with
•Itich the ancient law of the laid had shielded him.
In many cases, In charges, for instance, of sedition,
conspiracy, and ethers, it would bir impossible, with-
in the time allowed by this 13 11, for the defendants'
legal edam's to arrange the ',ideals necessary for
their defence, or in any way the means of their de-
fence. It was true there lea• a protlriiin 'wing it
to the discretion of the Coors to grant further lime.
bat it was well known the Cies, *mold only accede
to deity on au atldavtt made of the absence of a
material witness, and if the, B it passed Into a law,
there would not be lime even fur the parties to as-
certain wt:at lamest's they ought so call for the per-
poses of their defence. Ilia Noble end Learned
Friend had ask:, that this Bill was brought forward
without reference to recent circenssisisces, sod there
could he no doubt of his Noble and Learned
Fri-cad's veracity ; hot undoolvedly the Bill came in
very suspicious cowpony ; sail when they Note called
Iwits to pas se many snessores oboosious to the
Cclali!ett?tif it behoved tbewl to look with g very

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