The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-05-09 00:00:00

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of the Livery. Was there ever such an olijestidit
heard ot The House kad been told by one wor-
thy Alderman (Colette) that It was a very decided
majority of 30()O of the Livery tirlio were present,
and by another (Shaw) •that thertwere 2000 pre:
scot; and yet this ie a majority which would- dot
content the Right Ron. Gentleman. If this doe-
trine were' allowed to hold, what *mild become
of, or. what would be said to the majority of that
House Was it for the Right lion. Gentleman to
resort to such argutneut, when he anal his col.
leagues had so lately grasped at a majority of 3d
for sending Sir F. Burdett to the •Tower I Let
them look also to, many Other still more trifling
majorities: under eltich they had sheltered them.
selves, and then lot the Right Hon. Gentleman
blush to find fault With the majority to the present
Petition. The Right Hon. Gentleman was equally
inconsistent and onfoundetras to other objec-
tions . he
,made no the Petition,. He found fault
with the language used by the Petitionert. 'What
bingua,;.e *dell! he hive &eat make...use ? .The
Housebhad thought fit to emetitit Gale (ones to
Neurgete; and Sir F. Burdett to. the Tower, on
.grountis winch the People think ii an assumption
of power the House had no right to exercise; and
the Livery of London it well as others have peti.
tinned agaitiSt this—they think the House have
acted wrong,.and they tell them to*—itt vary warm
language certainly; but When the feilitigs are
routed, the language will be warms and the Right
lion. Gentleman and his eolleagues may blame
themselves for hiring forced the Petitioners to say
what they think. The • Right Hon. Gentleman
then said; that on aecottitt.of the animadversion
on the construction of that House, the Petition
ought not to be received. - The construction of
I the House of Commons! he exclaimed : look at
your' Journals'--would it not theie be found re:
I corded that" upwards of 300 Members in England
and Weles only are not elected by the peoples but
are sent to the House by the actual nomination
or powerful influence of about one huOdred and
illy Peers and others ;" and in another place, is
it not staled on the same Journals, 44 the seats
-1n that House were •as openly bought and sold as
Atolls for cattle at a fair." And what do the Pe:
.titioners say more ? They use the language of
'truth and of the Journals of the House ; and yet
.their Pctitipti is to be rejected on account of that
language. Look, however, at *bat has happen- I
ed lately in the construction df that House; A
'Member had been appointed.* Teller of the Et-
' ifiegeer, which vacated his teat ; that Hon. Mem-
ber went down to his Constitute:lts, and though'
lie had previously been much respected, on de.
count of his private character, such Was the in.
dignation of the Freeholders f the contity of COS.
.bridgeille was rejected ; and Mr. 1 °rite is now ho..
mutated to a teat in that house by a Peer. "is it
possible;". said, r. Wt "that such things should .
be—that they should he known to the people r
and that when they Speak of them they should"
not do• it with Warmth and indignation ?"
lametited.that ite•wat absent when the Middlesex.
Petition VMS preitinied, as he should most certain..
ly haie toted for it...et:Meg it, It had been ke;
paled by theillouse; though, in his opinion, net.
ad Strong!, worded as that of Westminster,.
•,*hich lied been received; bedause the Freeholders
tad staled eireumstances, nbt as matters of ()pit
taunt .but ii Nets equally existing...' The Petit
tide of gee Livery (the most moderate of the
Agee) was drawn up so as to avoid these ribjec-•
bony and yet that was to he Vojeeted also. At
this rate, if the Right Hoak IGeutlemen eentinned,
in abet, long enough, he ionld 'htiog on an irret.
etncileable beeach betweett that House and the
people. fie would tell them, if they did not pe-•
Mien in his form, they should not petition at all,
How did the people stand now ? said he. The.
Right Hon. Gentleman says to them, You are nob;
to petition as Middlesex did, nor as the Livery of
.London did, but youlnay do as Westminster did,
which was the strongest of the three. Mr. Whit-
'bread alluded to what had fallen from the Right
lion, Gentleman in last n'ight's debate, respecting
'the right. of the'Livery of London to have their
petition presented to his Majesty on the Throne.
He contended against the arguments of the Right
llne.Gentleniait, which referred to Wilkes's case,
:which he could not 'express in English, .but had
'recourse to the French, With his fionteem's:of
,the day; he maintained that the Livery had for a
long course of years Wit always allowed to
have that right ; and that the infirmities of his
'Majesty had been .indecortoisly,and falsely men.
tinned to justify the late-rejection of the claim.
'litere Mr. Ryder Ithewed an inclination to explain.]
Mr. Whitbread said he' would not allow any
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thitig e' lunation lit the middle of his ipeeolt,
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when he was n possealion. or the attentielv of'. the
lifotise; it ho hail been Wrong, he should hive
liven called 16 (mien The Hoare ShOltiti there-
-fore--.--;• • ••
`: rffei.e t'Ne Chanceltat • 'alba EltcheVier Spoke
to Order, And said he thought it disordMy to al-
lite to whet had passtelln a former debate.]
ifir-WHITBREAeI said, the Right' Homier:
able Gentleman haring *ken to orders, he must
desist ; hat he tri'iiteld mot be ittterrapted by ex pia-
'nation. HZ! then peOreetied to State' that at the
_lime when the Petition of the City of London %vat,
offered to he presented by* the Sheriffs, thy Se-
cretary of State.wrere a letter to ,tht City to *thy,
'that the ihfirmities of his Majesty inadeit iinpot_
sible to recoil* the Petition on the throat.. This
'he denied to bed fact ; the infirmities alluded to
'could be no bar tb 'receiving the& in tleit way,
and it 'vas highly improper to meetion them. The
Right Meliorable 'Gentlemen had assured the
Reuse, that einte he had been ill efiEne he had re.
delved Ito Petition that had not reached his Ma-
jetty ; bot.that had not always been the case, for,
he was credibly informed, entlivelietetfitto be true',
that *hen lid.llawkesbury was Secretary df State at:
particdlar period, when many different Bodies,
thought it adultery 'to petition,,thoeepdtitions were
delivered to the Secretary of State, and that WO Wm.
df them had ever reached the Kiug. This being
the East, and the People being thui shot out, as
it were., from petitioning the Kingv it became
mote peculiarly the duty of That Haase to open
wider their doors to the admission of their peti-,
titles) and its be mtw nothing its the present ikti.

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lied deserved to be rejected, he should cer- bhootolyeroefro hthee could Liter oynoftLhoenlepoitto.bieOrrnitl im
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taitily.tote that it do lid on the table.
Mr. WILBERFORCE said,
.he heti not read number of signeteesie *red to the Pee.
-the Petition till he came into the House ; and as den, add was inelinedoil Mist 'teetrent to imagine
he had so little time to considet it, and tb see hew the great body *bleb had been 'said to be an no.
far it ?esembled that Which had boat reject id, ur game, were hot really set The only ground on
thtadt stand
was nd
forffed the
p reject_
that which had been received! On alto Mime sub. which htetsho
Petition
w proper 4,
jcct, ,he was at a loss how to make dp hit trildd tine of this
the eubjeett . He had voted for the reception of ly, for no other pitrp,oetetliatt to tomtit the House(
the Westminster Pelltioo4 and fur the rejection of It *as impossible it could be otherweie under,
the Middle:gel; foe- reasotis Which, in both cases, street ; atid lie begged gebillemen would not cue;
well Satisfied his meld.; but from the shortness tit to it themselves etittestmerely reading an intro.
the time, and the cursory and interrupted reading ductuty sententiver two, and dedueiog their
which could only be had it the tehlet, he was not opinions from them, but that they would con.
prepared to 'decide hint tar this etithet etas sider the whole tontekt of the Petition, and
analogous to either of the Where ; and especially then declare tatididly the result. Ile was con.
after the ()Oiled eepressed by thd ilonetitable 'Weed that tesult• must be, that the Petitiou was
Gentleman who had just sat down, that this Pet: Meant At en insult. [Mar, hear!] It hid been
titionwas the most moderate of the three, and ill Only said that the last Petition had been rejected
its terms adapted to the mode, in sdme dime/hires for its bold, unqualified assumption of facts._
otescti!ied by the House. lie thought the House Was it, 'however, to be endured, that the present
could riot suffer arty inconeenietice by adjourning Petitioners were to shield themselves• by steering
this debate till Id-morrow. They would then have cleat of that Articular offence, and use every
time to consider the Nikkei with More sattention other insult -Which they thought proper with ins-
aed deliberation, and. would conic to the' decision Omit); ? Some, indeed, did not think any insult
with their mirids amid up an, the cldestion'; Ind he could be offered to the flume of Commons. Otto
was sure they would thereby sliew.their. respect ken. teentleman boldly said, that he week! agree
for the first City of the Empire. • lie would there; to any Petition which came from the people., „0
fore move, that the further debate on the question matter how couched ; that House had lost the con.
be adjourned till to-ottirrow. fideuce of the country; they were shaken iu their
Mr. W. SMITH sail], that after the respect Credit forsooth', and he (lid nut expect the people to
paid to *lase itlfeurnitig the debate, come and petition in any other way. Such was the
he should mat object to do the same in the present latiguaat;e which hefted the con fideuce to use, [►/ear,
ease;. brit having voted foe recciiihg Oa of the Ate*. I] If he could bring himself to such a course of
Nutlet', and rejecting the other, he had no objet. conduct ; if 'hi could countenance this insult; if,
don td delivering his 'opinion that•moMent. He in short, he chose in this manner, and •by this lan.
IN' Apt abject to the Weittninsteritetition, be- gunge; to lead the wily to the people, no doubt
tam it. Was warded In seek a manner as to convey -he would receive any Petition they might choosy
the sentiments df the Petitioners by way of °pi:, to present. pear, hear!] He was sure in tic
nion. He did object to the Middlesex, because propagation of such ddctrines he would have uu
the things complained of were not stified es weight with the House; nor, no matter how tio.
matters of opinion, but as masters of fact that lenity sourer hp urged them; did he deserte atteu.
actually existed. This Petition being drawn in a lion. [hear, hear!] Ito had said the hlinistets
manner contrary to the Middlegeas he Shoaled vote hid insulted the country, and ho did not choose to
that it be received. fight their battle, with the Livery; no, nut it
Mr. BARHAM haj °Noted to the lust Pell- seetits did Ito choose to fight the battle of the House
lion which had been :rejected'hy'tbat House, on of Cumnions•against those who thought fit to inset
the grounds of its being a protest, and not a Pd. them. lie Mnd, however, that .there would br.
titioli. In the present Petition, -there were massy al*ays spirit enough in, that House to fight its own
phracei which were considered objectionable by battles, anti repel any insult which might be elicit:a
some Members of the House; he could ittlt con. to it. With respect to the proposed adjournment
sider them by any means in that light. He could- now, he bettaitily haJ no objection to it; he had •
not think teat the.Petitiou's nuts-asking, " Where , on a former occasion yielded to a similar sego.
is your justice? Where 'your Moderation ?" .reds fion, and the effect was, that he hid strengthened •
' to be reprobated ; becausche • thought the House his cause; ho was-convinced the effect how Would , •
had forfeited, by its own ewe, its justice and its he similar. He was sure the House would (Mee lit
character. (Bear, heat!) If the Petition was rejecting this Petition upon mature eonsideratien. •
now rejected, he cal& het think it would be it was not to Ire borne, that the House was set all
beeatite it was offensive to the House, bill to hit occasions to be referred to their Jouratilt, to tee
Majesty's Ministers. Ile was sure he did not whatittsulte they had suffered before, Mettler locale
mean to derogate from the dignity of that House, testate What theymightbearnew.ThisPetitiembroad.
when he voted for the reception of the Petition. ly said, that the litAtse arrogated to itself * tweet
Lord A. HAMII.TON
,was ready to Vote fur which did riot belong to King,.*Lords, add Come •
the adjournment', its'thtl .hope that It might pro- mo.ns united, and that they were bet surprised at
cure another vote in favour of the reception of the such assumption, When they considered the me.
Petition. He was sotriethere wet no language in tier in which that:twine had been originally con.
the Petition so alarming as the idea that Ministers I stewed.' Wat it not plain enotigh to eiety Mao,
were able to drag and dispose the House of Coin- that undet the mask of this hemble confreptioe, al ,
mains to reject such Petitions on such occasions. it had been called, they meant to•itioult the Hemet
[Bear, hear I.] If tee Petitioners had learned any The insult to him coneeyedin the Petition had
disrespectful language, where had they learned it ? bon mentioned by some Gentlemen Oppesite U a
He had no hesitation its saying they bad learned it. ground fur rejecting the Petition. He did nut bt
.rrum the totes of that Huuse.. They had quoted any meant Conceive that alone should- Wile it to ,
it from their owe Journals. Why 1110 should, the be rejected ;Mt the contrary, the Tees' first Kee
House now stand,u'ponthe punctilio of nidety and time to which he lied assented after the iteprison&
justice,, when they had by their own deeds for. anent of Sir F. Burdett,. had mentioned this. 'very
(Mee their claim to them ?. In his indignation a. circumstance in plain teemss It was not to-be en.
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gainst the offensive language of the present Pete. dured, however, that day after day this should be
' tioti, the Right Hon. Secretary of State totally for. added to similar intuits oh the.
,House itselfe He
got the motions which had been rejected last year, was sorry to see this spirit to vilify and degrille •
and which had giten rise to this language. He to- ParliaMent rising itt the eoutitty, and he was stilt
. tally forgot whether Ministers did that in fact more Sorry to see -me* lei -that House reedy to
which they now considered erten the mention of 'quote and countenace the language of calumny,
offensive. It • was too true, however, they had Mr. WHITBREAD said the Right Honeur
thine so, and it was their conduct which hid incur.' able Gentleman hid a%sunied the fact; that he
red the present calaMiteus consequences. A Secre- would receive any Petition, no matter how cote,
(cry or State, Whom he now saw in his plate (Mr. veyed to that House: it was a must unwarrantable
Ginning); had. last pier proposed eertain -Hese- assumption. He never would present or ratite
lotions respecting Lord Castlereagh, in contractive a Petition which; in his opinlitti-, failed in the des
Lion to
.a motion of his, *hick were adopted, and curum which it ought to exhibit. 11w had even tie
which, he observed, were the thief cailse of the tered the language of Many petilitele Which welt
'indignation of the peblit.:, And were noticed in offered to him, 'and which lie did nb't ionceirg
every petitioti.• Ho now thought it right to giee ficieolly respectful. This was, bestrew, a Very
Malice, that at no very disteht day he theant to different ease 'from any private Delition. It was
Move for the erasure of those Resolutions. He presented from a Constituted Hotly, which hid a
was sorry to tee the country at large In general right to petition even the Xing upon the Thralie,
classed in opposition to the Ileum-. When he said and which right,.antil the present Atiministratioe,
this, hoWever, he by nh Means meant th deny the' had never been denied. The. Right Hun. Getide-
right of the Ho'use to commit : on the contrary, man had Old that he. lent! himself to tossaienalke
-on a former Decision he had maintained they hail I the. rising spirit against that - Hoak. Ile hod
such e right. The Huusee boaster„ could not I ease •110 sock thing: ile had ghee itir
expect that ony 'right of their': should be tamely Ilion in that House, where lie thought it wroth
aektiowledged, while they, tuffeeed .Resolutions Co and he would tell that Right Honourable Gestic.
contrary to their dignity is those to which he had matt, that tit the day of his death, he weekl itht
alluded, to remain upon their Journals. lie would tee cause 'of the pimple. That Rigtit Wooer* le
ask the further Secretary of State, and the than, Gentleman had ne right.to Arraign any man. in ttist
cellor of the Exchequer, with what feelings they House. liven passesstagi as lie said haled, the
had heard the Speaker and the Petition.' say; that , support of jestieei how incapable did he aiteeiry
they had committed acts at which' thejr aireestors I flow doubly incapable, Oleo it was 'considered,
would twee startled With indignation ? Why *should I that he had not as his tide even the dour
tlOt they, though at an bumble diManee, emulate't lice I That House, imaestl, seemed the peculet
the purity of their ancestors? He dill not wish to care of the Right Ilonoursele Geotlensate, It had
speak against the privileges, CM to Iciness that dignity i 'beet% constituted by him, amid'the defusiell cif the
of that House; 'but while such ;41101i:es obtained, country, ancN
_no 00111)4 as in I former bestows
he most say, such Petitions we're jastly pfesentra. wheat he did not find it 'sufficiently pliable, 11.
.hedr !],--The House itself keee the 'would advise his :Majesty to diestelve • u.—[!!rile!
'provocation, and it Must take the eonseeueoces. hear
He was ready now not only' to vote for an ad, Lord.A. 1411111;TON explainett. s-
jeurnmeut, but to, give notice or ifis motion fornee, Captain PALMER could not, agree to. recet4
!Hinging thhse obnoxious resoletions front Ike a the Petition .it-Was manifestly intended as a mare
4intritale. . itt'eults,p the Hum*. the Pettey., erect ivcat "I
Mfb C. ADAMSi. its hetofshe t I It -11 f 4 "le,
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Bon. rt did not iu 'lee mind amount to a ptotest, now that he was 1111:111* his legs, must advert to tee
eat only gave its opinion "humbly," and decitteed constant attacks' chinch were made upon efts Te4ei*
4` eutteeptions." . , • -of the Exchequer=—drives hoot right to be tAvieleg
The .CIIANCELLOR of the tiCHglatiElk. him in suelea manner epektda.carsesteireeY
41(141ot-rite fire the purpose bf Sibjecting to the Whateeser Might Ists thosight of that 'feller orth!
.dp the georenel that; it cledettot speak the, Excheesthes he -leteleeretielaly iisfeimed lie woul4l,
sense of the-Majority by the, isivery: Ilia (tight; have succeeded in his electienited he not resigned
'lion. Friend Was. nsietiestkestood, Whet it was sup.: [a iunghl. His mind Was made ap nut te-rec4"
stored that he tested,hts epposisiell'to the 'Petition ethe Petition.
solely otelhat Vowel'. Noe Vie had merely sled,' Aldernmn ICOMBE Meta, I...asvn , why
that sineelte had *felt it his dotyftemeollier &cm.: these *eke not more eigetiteres to the Pcli4iHn'
Nantes to oppose the Pe-alien,'
,he Was glad 101 thistle was considered illegally- WWI, ""1111,i".
the consolation of net opperalog the whole ' than Mote -6( tete Aiderldeu kad• *Du idt/ZIVa" to

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