The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-07 00:00:00

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hot of the whole liingdorn, and that he was as much hound
to Watch over the interests, anti protect the rights of the
'allabitants of awry other part of the empire, as over
ihose of his immediate constituents. If he wanted ex-
imples to prove the practical benefits that resulted from
the construction of the House of Commons. he had only
to cast his eyes opposite to hint, and he should tinil
them in abundance. An lion. Gentleman on the other
side of the House, of whose brilliant talents no man
could entertain an higher opinion than he did, afforded
a most derisive proof of the advantages resulting from
tie present system of representation. The Learned
lientleutan had offered himself a Candidate fur two or
three populous places, hut had tof•red himself in vain.—
In Westmoreland be was completely &Crated; in Liver-
pool he stood no chance, and the Mouse would now have
to lament the loss of his talents, if he had not had the
good fortune to he snugly seated fur one of those Bo-
rooglis which some of his friends around him described
aai the opprobriunr of our Representative System. That
Learned Gentleman was, tilieigh so returned, as good
unit efficient a Member ef Parliament, and as sound a
Whig as if lie represented Wei...mit:sten A Right Hon.
'Gentleman opposite to him, and dest•rvedly high
in the estimation of the ll.•ase tool of the country for ilia
abilities, had been driven out of the populous
of Southwark, and if he had no: found refuge in one of
those much abused Boroughs, the leader of the Whigs
would not now have a seat in the !louse of Commons.
Another Honourable and Learned Gentleman, of
whose talents and constitutional knowledge he wished
to speak is the highest terms, was seated for linareaho-
rough, and yet no non weak' deny that he was as able,
and as valua.ble a Member of Parliament, as if he re-
prisented the most populous county in the kingdom.—
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it was useless to multiply instances, however defec-
tive our systetnama in theory. it was most admirably
caleulatedin the practice to bring into that House, the
talent, time intelligence, and every other retplisite that
was essential to the character of a good Member of
Parliament. He could not. therefore, agree with those
who called so loudly for Parliameatary Reform, more
especially as he found that no two of them agreed upon
the plan which they would substitnte fur our present sys-
tem. It appeared to him mad' 'niaer, iostead of adopt-
ing wild and visionary theories, itml makingg• sweeping
alterations, to proceed gradually, awl idlest you found
a blot, to hit it, and to mend it. With respect to the
question immediately before the it would not be'
siecessary for him alter all that had heels said to occupy
much time. As to what took pl mre before the Queen
came to this country it was only tot.te..ary to o'.,erve,
that if the proposition made to her .11.ijr:ty at St. !niter's
deserved any of those hard epithets u Bich had been so
liberally bestowed upon it. he liuls. an.' Learned
tientleman, her Majesty'sprincipal ould
not have been the bearer of it. He would slot now enter
into the question who first suggested that proposttion ;
but when that Learned ilentlonan left this country as
the bearer of it, he knew that Ministers were iu
session of facts that mould constitute a gr.tvc cs,e
against the Queen, and that if her aiajc:ty fame
into this country they could not avoid further
steps. It was quite impossible. thrrefore, for that
Learned Gentleman to agree with the I Loom raide I;entle-
man who spoke last, that this conduct of Ministers on
VI at occasion was not only unjust but ha.ot. Attcr It..r
Majesty arrived in this country it was evident that Mi-
nisters, so far from being desirous of brio; fora and
this investigation, took every means iu titerower to
avoid it; and it was equally clear that the Hoofs ap-
proved of their conduct in so doing. Ile did nut ex-
p aft that the Gentlemen on time other side would approve
of the conduct of Ministers, but the House ritulit not,
he thought, withdraw the apprubation to that rouditet
which it bad so distinctly given. Ile would not enter
into any observatiou upon what hail in the Howse,
of Lords: Ise would merely express its firm lit•lief, that
there was not one man in the kingdom who, before the
proceedings in the House of Lords, thought the Ministers
honest men, that did not, after those proceedings were
over, think that what passed in that !loose afforded
an ample justification of Ministers fur time step they bad
taken. Upon the question of the Liturgy, it was
equally unuecessay for him to dilate. It was 'pile im-
possible for Ministers to give his Majesty any other ad-
vice than that which timey had given ; it was not cunsi-
tiered--it was not recommended as a punishment upon
her Majesty. The Ministers conceived that this was a
point completely within time perogative of the Crown :
and under all the circumstances of the case, they did
not feel it to be their duty to advise the King to
confer upon her Majesty that mark of special grace
and favor. When the subject of the Liturgy was first
discussed in that House, a Right Honorable Gentle-
man opposite to him reprobated it in strong language
as degrading the Queen, but the Learned Gtuttieuman
(the Queen's Attorney-General) denied that position.
lie did nut consider it as being of any inont••tit whe-
ther the Queen was prayed.for by name in the Liturgy
yr nut; in a word, considered it as a trifle light as air'
compared with what he called her just rights, What
happened afterwards when a negotiation took place
between the Noble Lord near trim amid a Noble Relation
of his, and the two Learned Gentlemen on the other
side (the Queen's legal advisers)?
Mr. liliOUtill.lll—' There is no doubt of its being
illegal.'
Mr. W. POLE.—Upon that occasion the ',slimed
Gentleman seemed in doubt whether the omission
was 14 gal or not, but he considered it as admitting
of an rquivaleut. Now, if it were an !argot act be
could nut admit of an equivalent. In that ease is
would have been the duty of the Learned Uentlemen
to have broken off the treaty at once. But after all
that, the Learned Gentleman's opinion underwent ano-
ther change, for in the debate a few nights ago became
room' tithe opinion of the Learned Member for Ox
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ma, and pronouuced the omission of her Majesty's
name from the Liturgy to be most decidedly an illegal
act. And when afterwards the Learned Gentleman
was charged with some inconsistency upon this sub-
ject which was his answer ? Why, he said, " that he
considered it as sound philosophy, that when a man re-
Creed an injury fruits a person in authority, and could
Inn get redress, he might disguise his sense of that in-
inrY• and undervalue its extent." If this was trite.
said the Learned tic:Orman, between two individuals.
how much more was it so when one of them tear an ad-
vocate, the advocate of a woman, and that woman a
Queen I Such was the Learned Gentleman's lengnage
as an advocate and as a sound philosopher, and when
Ministers heard it they were silly enough to think they
had a great authority in their favour but when the
Learned Gentleman came to speak as a Member of Par-
liament he completely undeceived them. For, upon the
motion of the 'Noble Lord a few nights ago, the I,earnt•mi
Gentleman, in speaking upon it, declared lie considered
the ontission of (ter Majesty's name in tin: Liturgy as
decidedly illegal, anti reprobated it iu time strongest
manner, and yet he voted for the resolution that the
omission was inexpedient and ill advised, so that he had
runtrived to display himself in both Isis characters on
one night, for he had spoken like a !limiter of Pae-
lla/ling, and voted hike an Advocate, and a sound
Fibilusuplier.—(Loud cheers.)—lt had been repeatedly
said on this anal former nights, that the whole country
was against Ministers upon this question, yet it was
worthy of remark, that after this most illegal act, as it
was called, of omitting the Queen's name in the Liturgy
ad his.— n cominitteml, time Parliament was dissolical and a
geerral vlectiuu took place. glut then when the proplt