The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-23 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

Did von accompany Bergand to Italy from Paris ?•••••
No. I came here.
Did you leave ttergami at Paris!—Yes.
Did you afterwards see him at Paris 1.--Nn.
Where did you first see kiln afterwards ?—.Near Pesaro.
When you left St. Omer.. where did you leave the
rontitess of Oli ?—At her house.
Dow long were von et Pesaro Jay.
What occasioned your leaving her Nlajesty at St.
Omers ?•—.l slid not leave her Majesty at St. Diners ; her
Majesty thought proper tam send use on a mission.
Had her Majesty auy lacy of honour after the Coup..
teas left her?—?Cu.
Where did you leave Louis Bergami ?—At Pesaro.
Where did y•vi last see the mother of Liergansi ?--At
Milan, every tune I was there.
Have you ever seen Hergainra wife?—Yes.
At the Herons f—l believe so, one day.
When I was I sst there.
Was Hergend there?—Yes.
Where was little Victoria. whew yonlast saw her 7—With
I young ladies.
Was that Me last time y ou saw her, was it at Parts?—Yee.
Was Victoriae in the same hotel with you and Borpail at
Paris 1--Yes.
With these two female servants ?--Yes, always.
that these serraws take care of Viewing ?---1 es, they
dial not like to return home.
Was flip little Victoriae at the Ilarona when you were
there ?—No.
What salary have you now from her Majesty
have no pay. •I have a pension of 200 Louis.
Where does guar family live?—My father is at Milan,
aty wife is at Sahlonier's in London.
Who pars the expellees of your living here ?—Lath?.
now I have not made any account. I believe as witness
fur the Queen the government is to pay ine. •
Dia you take any money when you went to Milan?
Yes, I never travel without.
Who kayo you the money ?--I received 1001. from
Messrs. Courts.
On whose account ?—Her Majesty's.
Did you not take also a letter of credit s._No.
Dial you receive any money from 3larietti 4000
livres of Milan.
Was that all ?---Yes, I revived something at Venice.
How muds dial von get at Venice?--10t) Napoleons.
Who travelled with run to Venice ?—Mr. %Yowl's
son, when he went to enquire after s person we wanted
to trace.
Dial Mr. Wood's son go with you any where else ?
Yes, to Milan.
Who paid ti.e etpence4 ?..—1
Did von never travel in Italy with anyone else ?...Yes,
Maoni.

Who else . No one else.
Will you swear that !--I 'in not recollect.
Did you go to Switzerland 7.—No.
What conntrvistan are you Milnn.
lists you an) other property besides your pension I—
'Yes, some property of my own.
Etaminstion by the Peers.
Lord favinteitoe.. —Does the whom know whether soy
person slept ih her 3Mjesty's room at Charultz !—There did
not.
Lord Ett.e.%antiounn.—Did I understand the witnikos
right in sat that Carlo Fort' entered the *resift of the
Princess at Loretto he entered it pros Woman%
Did you eser see Carlo Ford in the mortice of her Royal
Highness nntit you saw him r.t Rome!—He was seat from
I.oretto to Rome provisionally.
Did you accompany her Royal Highness from Miian
to Laren° ?--I
Did yon see Carlo Forti on that journey t--He set out
as a courier, not in the suite.
In two or three instances Mr. Droueliam woo obliged
to correct the Marquis Spiretti in the interpretation
given by him about these questions.
Lord Hoes: --Then, in petiole( fast. slid Cerke-111404.
accompany the suite of the Princess from Mike to 4-
rote ?---Ile travelled in the suite.
Mr. !Is't 1:11.%11.—My lords. the witness has said Irak
the suite.
lie went in the suite of her Royal Highness from
Loretto to Rome ?-7Yei.
I wish to know, if I understood yort rightly to ray.
that on the second night of her !loyal Highness's sysi.
deuce at Carlstadt', she returned from the court to the
inn bettersa seven and eight o'clock in the evening?—
She did.
Lord CALTOOSPE.—WIien von returned to Charriltz
from Inspruck, slid you gu to the room of her Royal
I igh nes* ? I did.
Bergaini and yourself ?—Ves.
Are you certain that, front the moment of yonr arrival
fro!? Inspruck, at Charnitz, there were continual prepa-
rations fur leaving that place going on in the room of
her Royal Highness ?—1 never said there were any pre.
parations ruing on in the room of her Royal Highness.
Are you certain, that (ruin the nutmeat of yaw-
return to Charititz, there were other persons besides the
Princess and Hergami in her Royal Highness's room?
Mr. linos/alias', with great sitiunission, objected to
that question. It assumed that liergami was the -Rule
of the time in the mans with her Royal Highness, theagh
witness hail said no such thing.
Lord LauotAtoakz said a few words, but in so low a
tone IS to he inaudible below the liar.
Mr. BSOUUHAIS did not want to urge the objection
further. Let the question he put.
Examin•tion resumed by Lord CALTHOSPS —PO eon
know how many bells arr.. in her Royal Ilightielo.s
room I—l saw one bed.
The Louts CIIANCKLLOIL—At Chartnits ? Yell, at
Charnits.
Do von know what is the ordinary time of travellin.4
from Charnits to Itispreck by post ?—lt must depend on
the state of the road. u the roads are bail it woold take
more time, otherwise one could go sooner.
Lord CtI.THOMPL—Chi the journey trout eliamitz to
Inspruck. how many hours were you without rest !—I was
from noun until the nest 'mailing.
Do you recollect whether, lit the hod-room of the Priuees:
at Chaciiitz, there was a tumulus on the Moor I—There was
not.
Do you recollect any one place when you saw Mahone
perform the deuce you spoke of !—I do.
Did you ever see itim perform it at the Villa d'Este ?
1 did.
Dn von remember whether the Princess was present ?
I believe she isas at the window.
Are you certain she was at the window ?--I said before
I believe she n as.
Do you ever remember to have seen any holy of re-
spectable diameter in rune own country wits. so that
dance ?—Not in my presence.
The Marquis Spiretti here interposed.
Lords.—lle knows English as well as 1 do.
Mr. liammittm.—My Lords, 1 wish to know, upon
what atithurite. nr presumption, the Marquis Spiretti
gives that evidence to the House, and particularly it not
tieing true. The witness has sworn, that lie knew only
a little English, and the Marquis knew English very
well.
Lord CALTimaPg resumed. Was Mehemet amongst
the screams disusisaed at St. Omen /—lt is three years
since he went away.
Lord CacoratlT—Ton have said that her Royal High-
ness dined with the King of Bavaria, at Munich, 1 wish
to know if the Queen of Bavaria was present on that
Dressiest ?—She was.
Was that the only occasion on which her Revel High-
ness dims! with the King, at lingual I—Her Kola
Highness dined several times with the King, at Munich.
Lori Lacrozapazz—When did you last see the Coon.

tem Oldi ?—I last saw her when I went to meet her at
Dover.
When was that ?—Aliout a fortnight ago.
Is she now in England ?—She is.
When did you last see Faustina ?—I hare not seen her
for two or three yeefs.
When did you last see Francisco?-1 last saw him at
Milan.
When did you last see Pietro?—Who is this Pietro ?
menu tilt nephew of Bergauii?-1 have nut seen
him.
VYas he not In the stables of her Royal Highness ?—I
did nut see him.
Wt.en did you last see Carnivi (we believe) ?—I bare
no knowledge of this Carnivi.
Ileocowtst —My Lords, may I ask the witness a
question.
The Cu AP/CELLAR—Certainly.
t` The witness has said that he did not see any body of
I'l6pm:table character witness that dance. Mac I ask
whether he ever saw any thing in that dance, that the
most fastidious female might not witness ?—lt was a
most ridi.uluas dance, but nothing in the slightest de-
gree indecent.
When the Princess returned from the Palace to the
Inn at Carlsrithe, did you accompany her ?—No.
What time did you see her there f—About 7 or 8.
Into what room of the inn did the Princess go?—lnto
the salts. _ _ . .

How was she dressed great splendour.
How was Bergami dressed his uniform.
Did you all accompany the Princess to the Margra-
Borgatui amongst the rest
How long did you remain at the evening pary at •
Court about 10 o'clock.
By the Earl of Rossnseuv,--Did Bergami remain in
Ow hall at the inn during the whole time while her
Royal Highness was there on her return from the palace,
and until her return to court to supper?—He did.
A PEEL—You paid you returned to Charnitz about
three o'clock in the morning, and that the party set out
at live, I wish to know whether you went into her Royal •
Highness's room between those hours?—From the mo-
ment of my return I was never more than half an hour
or a.suarter of an hour absent from her Royal lligh-
IteSS • 11.10111.
Witness was ordered to withdraw.
Mr. Raorisiasst addressed their horilships, briefly
stating that her Majesty had been deprived of another
most material, most important witness, in the loss of their
Chamberlain. lie gave every credit to his Majesty's 6o-
vernmeut, who had used all their i till orrice to get him over;
but they had not to deal with honest Engltshinen.
They had here to deal with wily Orman Courtiers,
who could not be persuaded to believe what our agents
told them, Nix. that they really desired the chamberlain
should come, but listened to what was said behind the
ce:•aiu by their own tioverninent. This chamberlain
a must honest man only received a hint from Mr. Beritett, '
and like an obedient Courtier befalls ill of a fever, whit's
he caught -from Rastelli from over the Alps. He
was a most important witness, because be was the
only one who could prove that the Princess was not the
person who had been seen by Krauts. Ile hoped their
Lordships would notottider these circumstances, and upon
the monstrous principle, that because, person was accused
of nine or ten crimes, and was only able to refute b or!
of then being deprived of the means of refuting the re-
mainder, to hind that person guilty.
Lora Livempoot. mid, when the papers were examined k
would be found that the credit given to his Majemy 's °ye rn-
meet !.y her Majesty's Counsel was no more time they de-
served.
The T TTOIINCT-OZNERAL be to know whether
biiPeatned Friend (Mr. Itroug W ) had made any spe-
cific application to their Lordships An this part of the
MUlots
. ciTtitiise reit-JIM be certalaly bad not
' specific spit on to their Lordships. He
could twit think of oinking any such application until
their hardships were in possession of the correspon-
dence laid upon the table by the Noble hoed. He wish-
ed, however, to he allowed until Monday to decide upon
what course it would be most advisable for hint to pur-
sue tinder all the circtunstances of the cam as it now
stood.
It being now a quarter to four o'clock, their Lord-
ships adjunrited to Monday.

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LONDON:

NONDAT ETZNING, OCTOBER 23.

STATESMAN OFFICE, TWO O'CLOCK.

Mad. DUMONT Ka% this forenoon examined, to as-
certain whether she would confess certain conversa-
tions held with Madame NI nil vr, of tit • neighbour•
boost of Colombia, respecting the character given
by ilkonstr, of the Princess of WALES and
of her Royal Highness baring been surronniled
by spies. To all the gnestions pot to her by
her 111.4.neterr's Conssel, Destoscx's replies uniformly
were, " Je me INC appcllC pas !I" MARTINI is sow
tinder examination.

Accounts received this ntnrning by the Leeward
Nand mail state, that after Ent.tran had rejected
the offers from Spain, he itennediately invetted St.
Martha and Cart{engem', and there we- nut the least
doubt but they would soon be in possession of the
Patriots. The lever also arlds,—now is the time
for England to exert herself, otherwise the Americans
will have all the commerce of the Spanish Main.

American papers arrived this morning, one day
later than those previously received.
EstrAct of a letter from St.l homes, Aug. 2S
" There is a brig just arrived from Slargereta4 which
Eras at a port called tampano, on the Maio, in possession
Of the ItoYal troops, who revolted against their officers,
and after killing them, boarded the brig, to the number
of 130 mew., and forced the crew to carry them to 3lar-
gareta, where they bare joined the Patriots."

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Many been the miserable and flimsy att,..„„t,
on the part of a Government to cover a foul de,'gr;
but the co: respondence in our columns of to-diii•
peeling the Barnn D'Ence is certainly the most raise..
Table and of all tie attempts that were ever
made or conceited.

The case is simply thus. The Qrxav of Evut sae
was arraigned on a charge, the moot important that
ever could be brought against an individual : most
portant, whether we look at the charge itself, ee
the fatal consequence of its establishment. A whom
;,, be produce I in support, and a witne-s in defence of
the charge, resided, for a wonder, in the territories ore
person who is called the Grand Duke of BA oca ; the fee
simple of whose whole property, down to his serf
wardrobe, is not of equal 'value with the estate,
of some of our Commoners. However, this perm
does, it seems, " strut and fret his hour" in do;
mimic pride of 31aieers ; and, upon some apply
to some of his " Officers," the:witness agaion
QUERN was compelled, (o►, as my Lord Ca/Inman
more elegantly expresses it, " was in some mew,
required") to attend—did attend, and didliesni.
dente. Now this was all very well ; and vs hem
quarrel with i:. For the purposes of justice, it
highly proper that people who, for some reason or
other, are unwilling, (as Mrs. Keen rx was,) N appear
before a Court, should be compelled to appear lit-
fore that Court and give their o Went,. But, on the
other hand, not oulg common justice, but the appear•
once, nay, the very mockery of justice, requires, that
at least, the same means should be exercised for the
defence of the accused, which have been resorted to
for her destruction. That this aAorld be done, is O-
mitted. Now, the Ministers ass rt, that all Las ben
done which could Lave teen done, for the purpose
of bringing over this Baron, this most impor-
tant witness fur the Queue ; and this assertion
we deny. Here we are then, fairly at issue.--
To bring over BARB till KRANTZ, what did the
agents of the Governtneut? Certainly, roc apply
to the Court of the high and mighty Duke of 58Dtlf
but they applied to the Police; and thus succeeded in
getting the person in question brought over. The as-
tural consequence would be, that the Police should
have been applied to, on behalf of the witness for the
Quota. But here, we arc met by an objection, to
' which we beg the particular attention of our Readers:
although we know not, e►en while the pen is is our
Sand, whether we shall treat t'te objection with-ridi-
cule, or with indignation. The objection is, dietitian
Minos d'Exot is a minion of the Court ; and dotal
vulgar paws of the Police cantle.
a dependant of the high and
Why, if his Royal Highness
to road and write, he eight '

his duty, as a man, to come,
an accused person, if his

mony were of Importance ;
eon were a beggar ; and,
could not afford to travel post,
his duty to trudge his royal
aye, every inch of the way ;
person should be condemned

This, he should know as a mi
(fur so be calls himself), as
the very distrilator cf justice,

which to admire most ; his affected

open neglect, of the duties u

However, it seems, that
correspondence, a kind of ini
Baron, that he might, " If he

self," he permitted to come over to entry, .
the defence of the QUEEN of EN :GLAND ; hut the re
Baron knew, full well, what was meant by this, nei
he immediately fell sick. and was not only sick, h
he talked ah:put "the state if his health," whit§
would imply somethiug respecting his general suit
of health ; rot a word of which was urged a snoeti
ago, when be was applied to by the Quess't
agents ; for his then excuse was, merely, the prie
hibitive command of the high and mighty Ude
of !Wats. We have but one more remark to
make upon this head. The farce is imempkie
fur want of a medical man's certificate, respeelief the
1/Anox's " state of heath." We all know leo NO
such a certificate could have been obtainetiCest
non•esistenee sloes not at all alter, any more
existence would alter, the principle of this moot alflo•
and most nefarious transaction.

The Ililb Bailiff of South,
a retptisition numerously and
appointed a meeting fur to•morr.,
sideration the state of national •
tion his Majesty to dismiss his
During the reign of Richard
was presented to the :sing, beseeching i
Ministers. Richard, in reply. said, that
Portiatnewt he world not remove '
his kitchen. Having occasion for
which could not oilieruisa hr übtai,
to amply with their demand: the
Chancellor, was not only removed tr.
peached and found guilty of inisdeinem
SIR PRAPIcIa BeRDIATT.-11
satisfaction that we assure our
reports in circulation on Saturday'
tire to the health of this worthy sou
are entirely groundless. Sir ecancis
earring for some time, in the
loaroryatis of the rant ; bat letters, —.----
ceired in town nn Saturday, with the agreeable
cruet. that the day before Ire was considerably
He and Mr. Hobliouse had been deputed to preted
Aihlresa to her Majesty on Wednesday nest ; such
were eatettsimed that ivy that time he would be
to aecomitanT. kis public-spirited culleagua in
ties of their joist monwissiom,

moot be allowed to touch
rufghty Duke of BAULK!
is bar beyot taught, only
to knoi►'6at It tried b
e, hiatklf, in tlefeast d
Royal Highness's tern.
even though t►at per
, if Lis ltocal Riglitry
lost, it would be erpull
person on foot, the w
rather than an inn
for want of his eri4escr.
nan ; but, as a Sorereiga.
a person who ehoakl W
tire, we really know an
affected ignor&nce, or Vs
which often', his statits.
after much nonsensical
itimation was given to-eh
Ire should request it kite
over to this country, fie

civic 91 !Ms •••.~.
n.
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respectably slimed, kt
,eroye, to 1.11.. e into cat
it 4116141, and also loft
s present Ministers.
I the Seeon.l, Sib edilagg
peching him to retooetbit
Reid, that et the elesimif
re the mem:est gnaws
for a subsidy, tweet
,brained, hr was °AO
the Earl •of Saffulk,oo
red from his office, HOP
lisdenteattom
is with the ninst reel
readers that the elseaill
.day'and
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hands had, indeed. 10
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time. we keep, woe'
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