The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-03-27 00:00:00

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i• . •TO CHARLES FORBES, Eso. Y.P. •
Sta,—The manly and independent spirit dl played
by yes in Parliament ow the belialfof en unieelmeatit .
class of Petty Officers, the Captains' Clerks, es well
as of other Officers appertaining to the British Fleet%
on the occasion of bringing up the. Report of the
of Sopply on the Navy Estimates, ea..
titles you to their warmest gratitude; ass well as to the
highest estimation of all seeks of that branch of the
public service; for it is ea incontrovertible (theft%
a monstroes) fact, that the Navy is subseevieut tel .
the Army in every particular, and was never ewe
so thils atliso present period, so far as relates' to
pewitioinf 'or pay, to promotion or Court favour.
I sheli„;therefore, with doe deference to you, Sits
'litht *. mitering into minutia, and disclaiming at Ilse
‘11111,41160 say hostility towards the Army, fellow
it,. Seeritery CRUDER'S strictures on year very ap-
-Protiriale remarks on that occesiorris far, at presteit,
ee✓ktilell,enly to parsers and Captains' Clerks.
In reirct to tbe Purser, the Admiralty Secr,ftry
•sald;in %at taunting way peculiar to himself !sod
some others of his friends in office, " that they *eve
not military, isn't pea and ink men, and delivered
net the butter and cheese." • As to the first part of
„the,eseertiots, the late French Government and him
are et it!risoce upon that subject, they beteg alweys
considered during the late war as combatants ;
and several who had the misfortune to become
prisoners by 'shipwreck, were detained under that pies,
contrary to all former practice. The latter part of
this sneering remark, evidently borrowed from the
cockpit, is inaccurate ; for the Purser is the officer
who is entrusted with the charge of all the victualling
stores, as sell as all the shipctothing supplied by
the Navy Board, fur which he gives a security ti
the Crown to a large amount ; but it is his steward
and his mates who deliver out the butter and cheese.
The Admiralty Secretary, in continuation, stated,
that the regulations established by an Order in Coun-
cil of the 43d of Jety, 1814, in respect to the Par.
ser, had met with, from that body, general appro-
bation ; and during the old system,whilst in ordinary,
they scarcely ever lived on board of their ships.
How far this statement was correct, will appear from
the following @Wiles, made from Coo Memorials
presented to the Admiralty since that period, each
signed by upwards of 300 Pursers, mostly of the
senior class. As to their not living on board of their
ships a reference to the Clerk of the Cheque's Books,
at the respective yards, will refute that, for this was
too valuable an aiylete, with the advantages connect-
ed therewith, to' be trifled with. I
FIRST MEMORIAL.
rr Tbat your Memorialists, whilst contemplating
the regulations which your Lordships have lately
been pleased to recommend for adoption to his goys!
Highness the PRINCE ROGOW, in Council, in respect
'to-the Pursers of his Majesty's fleet, would be want-
ing in duty as well as gratitude, if they did not duly
appreciate the respectability thereby attached to their
office, by the rank which his Royal Highness the
PIIINCC REGENT has been most graciously pleased to
colder on them. But these emotions are succeeded
by deep impressions of regret, when your Memo-
rialists observe, that on retiring from active service
(after so Battering an acknowledgment of their utility
apil desert). they are to he remunerated in lie. of
their former wages and provisions, with so inade-
quate a Half-pay." &c. &c.
" Nov. 1.5, 1814."

SECOND
.MEMORI AL.
66 Your Memorialists' most respectfully offer for
your Lordships' inspection, the following Table of
their former pay and allowances, when their ships
were in ordinary, hr which your Lordships sill per.
ceive, that the emoluments upon the old establish-
ment were much superior to the present Half•pey,
and that therefore so far from partaking of the
bounty of Government, in common with all other Oft
firers, whieh they had sittgoinely hoped, they have
been considerable losers by this commutation,i'
•• Oct. 1e15."

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N.t B. By this arrangement nearly 20,0001. per
atitiem has been saved to the Crown in the article of
1 provisions, at the eapence of the Pursers, being
(thereby deprived of a privilege coeval with the Nary,
and this ie what Mr. Secretary CROILER terms "an
1 establislimmtt upon a liberal scale, at the same time
having economy in view !"
In respect to the Captains' Clerks, it was certainly
very condescending in the Admiralty Secretary to
stale, •I That a Captain's Clerk was the mos thing
to a Captain as he was to the Lord Iligla Admiral,
he kept his books and papers!"—Sic sokbam com-
posers magaa cum parvis; thus angling for ap-
probation when he is sere to meet with success • bet
he it erroneous in smarting that a Captain's Clerk is
inferior to a Midshipasaarthey being both Petty OS-
cars and Gentlemen of the quarter-deck.; loan so
authority over each other, racept as the eche of e
superior nicer, or the Midshipman beviag a distinct
commend; they both share missile prise-money, ball
the Clerk very properly is paid %eat to. a peel
Mailer's Mate far tho fail performsoce of his detyi
whilst the htirhhipman is paiiiike..4_,Jenior Lord of
I the Admiralty for learsieg hie itsobsitieis.
The Admiralty Secretary lest stilted, that, their
Lordships had it is contemplation to' primate ow;
ritorious Captains Clerks to the rank of Purser, bet
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state class of young men, however'remme,
the Order is Commit, of July, ISt., re,
it by establishing a miry considerebbt Retired
which appears had been under consideration
time ego, bet was never curried into effect,
'ken by the following Circular :
" Adwirahy
Leeds Cossusissisoers of the Admiitaity. '
SiaNilikil a Retired List for seek Parstes as way
lit of service at sea, auessad we to esquire of yes,
vowilad .vottraelf solosble of wive irniee.
shot 7.. will rows as inotediate *river. and
add to per awe a Maiessist of your age, sod of
of pen yea have served ailed.
• • ' In. Sit.
Your very humble Bernet.
a J. W. atom.
SG T. Der..--, hand."

The remuneration given by way of haif.p.,
the Porters is lies of their former wages and
does, had made en strong an impression •
memory, that very few, if any, reported
anal for service, bet judiciously keeping
open for any of or employment to which
may aspire from the virtue of their situation
!fore; owlets their Lordships reeounnend
the Order- in Council, or grant a large retired
'the Captains' Clerk, must remain in their
plaeable sitaation.
I have only now, Sr, to entreat your
•dolgence for trespassing so much upon „
to assure you that your exertioes in
duly appreciated by those whose cause
nerously advocated ; for it is not the cease.
or of party, or of an individual. but the common
Serest of " a useful and deserving body"
lic service; and full confidence is placed in yes,
withstanding the disgusting lusineation of the
miraltr Secretary—" That as you was
the Post Captains, you had begun with the
and that you would be soon sick of them
That you will again arise like ATITiUS with
vigour to combat the feeble arguments of
for Athlone, who can be viewed in no oil,
every unprejudiced person, than that of
pleader, who is always retained to make
a bad plea.
In fine, what the Navy require is, " propria
aspire nostras," and that is, comparative!
iug, its sentiment, " that it is not so art'
for as it ought to be," however mischievous
timent may be, whether founded in jealousy
ranee. As opinions are generally formed by prece.
lent or comparison, there can be no hesitation in
declaring by every lover of his country, with an
Honourable- Member, Mr. Moose, " That the
cordial co-operation of the Army and Navy was al.
ways most desirable, and a good understanding he.
tween them ought to be carefully cultivated. This
was a charm which had hitherto produced the happiest
results, but the tendency of any unjust or invidious
distindion ecuuid be to dissipate that charm.' that
there does mast a very great difference bewail**
Army and Navy, I shall take the liberty of giving
you an instance.
Mr. THOMAS VIVIAN, Parser, made (after his re.
pier servitude as a Petty Officer) on the 2d March,
1768, ranks with a Captain, Paynsaster, &c. in the
Army, and has only five shillings per diem half-pity,
whilst those Official of the Army have seven shil.
lings per diem half. pay, immediately upon obtaining
that rank, which is sometimes obtained by the latter
Otlicer without any previous service in the Army
whatever.
A FRLEND TO THAT CONSNAV YTITUTIONAL
FORCE, THE .
'March 26, UHL

WINDiOR, MARCH 26.—Yesterday, about ire
O'clock, the Pounce REGENT arrived at the Palace
from. London. At ail teclstak his Royal Highness
dined with his Royal Mother, Princesses AUGUsTA
and EuzAyerss the Duke and Duchess of Gt.oc-
cescEn, the Doke of KENT, and the Prince of
Hesst.llooteunce. About ten o'clock, the Patsct
Rectuut, accompanied by the Doke of KENT, left
the Castle. The Duke and Duchess of GLouccsvus
left at the same time, for London.
Yesterday the Dukes of CUINRERIAND aol KEN/
'kited the PEINCE REGENT at Carlton-Howie.
DEGST-LANE.—The new drama of Rob Rog vii
performed at this Theatre, for the second time, lot
evening. It has undergone very important and ad.
vantageous chsages, chiefly by curtailment. TM
consequence was, that it was, mach mere favourably
,received en this second trial.
On Wednesday, at a very notneroul Meetingol
the Livery, at Fishmonger's-hall, the health of sr.
Alderman Woos was given by the Prime Warden,
and received by the Company with acclasatiou
The Alderman returned Thanks:—
He felt highly gratified at receiving the *probative
Felli•w:Cidnens.adid panictearly of that part diem assemblelai,
the Members of that wsmerem, and opeleat Cerapaar,eaPeciehf
they mew have well marked his rodent fa ad doe pehee
titesehaws which* had occupied.. la every siteetiee, •Ite
felt mem nominal% for the welfare ad happieess et all chid. d
doeiety.and side his eeetioa to Parliament, belied eadenvom•
ed to do his dote, as as indepeadeit Itepreseetative. I« the
sitoadms. hi• experience a adhere tong. bet side the tow
mesemeeat of she Snare, he had astea.lail Du every necceioN
Iledeltheegli all the reed deploy might net be siolotil
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meg bees as curbsides' et kis pod eremleet which
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Imam Meeting which he had weeded, Secs be Illeord
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