The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-06-02 00:00:00

neral conduct of Ministers, from whom ho could
not, he said, expect the support of any tolerant
or wise proposition, the Hoe. Gentleman appeatinl;
in terms of peculiar animation,- to the good tense
and justice of the Ilouse. He conjured it to .0011 t
eider the general state of the empire—the nodosity
that called for the union of all onr people: 110
deprecated the idea of saffe!ing bigotry to, cut the
sinews of our strength. pear? hear !jlWliatevek
the motives of those by whom the laws, referred tit
by the motion, were originally euatted, it was evi..
dent that those motives no longer existed. "You;"
said the Hon. Member, "are now called upon to re.
dress wrongs which you had no concern in crest.
ing—to heal wounds Which you have not bad the
misfortune to inflict. But if you decline to at.
tend to the call, with what justice, let me ask
you, can you arraign the conduct of. Bonaparte
towards any of the nations whom be has subdued.
Recollect what facilitated hiskonquests-74hat
rendered the people indifferent to, if not *anxious.
for, a change of Governments—and weigh wellip,
before it is too late, the consequences of Wilda/
justice to Ireland. [Hear, hour!] Posterity
will, in fact, look back With astonishment at yank
infatuation—will wonder at the discussion which
now engages you. Will yen leant nothing front
the desulation that surrounds you ?" Peat,
hear !3 .•
• Mr. O'HARA was sorry that a sense of duty
obliged lust to differ on this occasion from many
Gentlemen whom he much respected, and partieu.
tarty from the distinguished Member for Dublin
(Mr. Grattan), with whom he generally con.
comedy built in Ireland and here. As to tbe
pledge so ON!' said to' have been given tfi the Ca.
tholies it the period of the Unions how came -it
ghat the leadets of that Body were among this OP,•
ponents of that measure ?, Fur hit part, he. was,
s friend to the Catholics to a ettsin extent. 'He.
would hare Wee' glad, if its the year 17613, the
lictith had been opened to them. He saw nu
reason why they should Iseietcluded from any ja-.
dicial office. but that of Chaticelliii. Ile could
not, however, agree to the introdection of the
Cathohei into the Legislature, or to any other
grant to them which appeared to hilts inconsistent
with the safety of the Constitution and the Fri).
testaut redablishment. The Honourable Gentle-
man concluded with expressing a wish to know how
the Lugloth Members felt upon the change whil'h
this'mution had in view ?

The Marquis of TA VISTOCK spoke with
great force aiml neatness for going lute a Gum.
inittee, to .consider whether it would-be wise and
politic to concede to the Catholics. Let not
.the
Catholic (lolly have it to say that you,hata rejeetett
their petition, and sent them from *User Bar with'
supereilitous diadain. pear! heart'
Nee .apwtiil-
at least ask the Catholics what -poems they-Jitter
%silting to euliCede in support of the Proteetrie
li.tablishment. The perpetually repeating fib*.
lions that this was nut the proper time, in edict
shut the dour against all polities! impeUeement,,
and was au argument as dangerona..os it; 114.
tore and telithitry were hidefiuite. kV* the wise
phieini of Lord Bacon,-".that time wet die greatest
oE all ionovators but, if we refusal, year
drew year, to litten to the prayers of fouredilinus
of -deer fellow subjeati, tho consequeuces ottight
eventually be such as he did not wish to Mice.;
pate. Were that the 'case, we should no Inliger
have to lament that Ireland was the vulnerable
part of the empire. His Lordship entreated eke
House, for God's take, to look to it. He aista.
to the discusiitm of this question with feelings' of
the most sincere loyalty to Sovereign, and
without any ' degree of 'animosity agailiet his
Ministers.- " Let es,"- said his Lurfiship, 66 go
into the Committee. Conciliation will be your
strength, anti the affectioni of the people your
best defence and bulwark." [Loud gad repeated
6pplauses.l
Cul. TAIBQT. reprobated the idea, -sow that
the whole Continent WAS against us, of leaving to
Bouaparte a vuln'erable point in Ireland,Where
we alight be attacked. By admitting the Catholit
People of Ireland to a communityr of righltwith
If's, we have been enabled to send 100,006
Of that nation to Spain, where, as -beteg 'of.
maid 'religion, and, as they supposed, springing
from the same stock, they would hateheen More
. gratefully received thee any other -assistance we
Could have offered, anti thus might we have given
an effectual check to the successes of Bonaparte;
whereas, could quitaparte have dictated to our
Government the lieu. of conduct they ought to
paistie, be could not have devised one snore suit.
ud to his interclts and, wishes, than a. coatinuance
• of the present system as to Ireland.
Mr.- BARNiIRD could not agree to the Ca.
tholic demands, unless the controul of the Crown
over the norifination of their Bishops was. eon.
ceded. The most effectual relief to Mr Catholics
of Ireland; he Maintaiued, wuutd belouadju a
refurtn of the Tythe Laws.
Mr. PARNELL couteuded, tbat'lt was of the
esseoce of the Constitution, that in imparting it
we acquired the greater security to it. • In proof
of this, he instanced Wales, which was at constant
hostility with England, till fifteeu statutes passed
to restrain it had been repealed, immediately -after
which security SOSO the coq.
sequence.
Mr. BARHAM tleclared that to bis coneeptiolititi
the clairras of the Roissan Catholics, both of t
country and of behind, stood on the Most shy
solate and indefeasible right. Ile • preteeded Itas.
s'aew, that Catholic Emancipation - had received'
the snpperit of the greatest men of an partfr:in
the kingdom;' among tht4e he *night itentiou'Wr.4
Fox, M. Pitt, and another great' Man, Who, `lle
was sorry -10`think, might now be no mote; hit,
whose authority, in that Him, would bo rueeived
with respect (Mr. Windham)...[lieferi heir!).
Mr. OUNDAS asked the Rigid Irlonourahls
Gentleman, did hi concur With herd Greseille ler
thinking that discussion at the racist pellet
would rather injure thati fronsoth the object Of
the Catholic claims ? Didhe agree Witb.the
quis of Lansdowne au Earl Grey hi that op ..'
nion ? If Ise did, why ditl he act Mali* ttf
and if he diet not, he must perdos Nero fur
ferring the unitedafflhotilitie Of tkeeeil!ibble Pea"
to that of dtslt ht:sos. Ge 141,100. .