The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-02-08 00:00:00

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Z-11. evil hail been stated in the papera's
Haase by his Majesty's Ministers. Yet
tree altogether with the Noble Aluripteme,
fu
t the cause of the evil should he strictly b.
s.—(Hear, hear, bear.)—lf the Horne was se
:lined to bring the reentry to a state of peace
go to the bottom of the evil; earl be sincerel
t some gentleman competeht to the task would
;bustles of Ireland, with reference to the cause
trot nil, nailer the consideration of the House.
RUTlAltobjected to the Owings( the power
irtation to the trials Magistracy. Many 01
middle-own. and with* exercise the power in
nton manner over the'., tenants.
.tTTAN said, that coercive measures of every
n would, in the end, he fonnd ineffectual.
ht hang sad shoat the people, bat the thing
I go end argil as fur giving increased power to
dray, lie had no hesitation in saying, that
das the present I.isrisstrary was, he should
jut a Rill for depriving them of all. they had
Dud to such a Bill he would give Isis meet'
pport.
.iNCIS BURDETT said, the Noble Marques*
tail hail for twenty years the means of inform-
elf:o the •eitnation of Ireland; 'he was not
misled but connected with the country, and
the power of remevisg the evil which hail so
OA it. Yet bed be time *her time called for
ties powers. tad mow it was a gentian most
to hainanity which the House was cSlledmeo
s. It wooortsat ale?f Wrote force was ur-
ic prit-deresi the For such a state of
se Noble Marquess was accountable, and ought
M secorietabie to the people. His (Sir Francis's)
ce is the • Noble Marines. was not so great as
e him tegraat new powers to oppress the people
lie was really astonished to find that the
largoess hiril the face to make so diogracefnl a
lief elm cosetry under his !moment, and to
'oath's powers of oppression. and fur the means
hog the nohappy country With gihbets.—(Hear,
la his (Sir Frarcies) opinion, the proposed re-
ass aggravasioa of the evil; anal Ise thought
'ld not here errs a temporary effect. All the
embers had spoken on the subject with a feeling
ss naturally expected; aid those who supported
toted measures bail ilea* so with considerable
The object. so doubt, was to obtain a pause
sity; but even that, he theaght. would .et be
ished. It was said there was nothing political
disturbances, because his Majesty had been so
eived in Ireland. No doubt, that as far as his
was penman, concerood,everything bad been
iich could be ieea by a eoseiliatiag spirit: bat
ig could not work' miracles. Had Ministers
good use of that visit, the Howse would not at
meat hare been reduced to the necessity of (Be-
ttie present painful question. The suspension
Halms Corpus Act would disgust without giving
r severity; for it gave merely the ;emeriti* keep-
nu in prison without trial. Such a power was
a he abased, as it had notoriously bees in this
r. Talk of Goveratneets. indeed! What sort
ores:meat mast that be which gave such extra-
y power to a Magistracy.—(Hear.) It was a
meat which deserved not to exist ; and which
are on apology whatever. The Noble Marquess
swa to the House, apparently without any com-
a for the past, sod asked them to put into his le-
t band apower he bad already so monstrously
The Magistrates of Ireland were. he thought,
be metrosted with extraordicary pewee; and he
d. that with his high oploion of the liberality of
tittle-ban Of 1W Noble Iltarquent at the beat
leish Giseeroasest, he would prefer giving all the
ta Was, line leopiebein ire Ibis disgraceful maw
He would repeat. that he sbeuldprefer entrusting
wer with that Nobleman. than the making him
underpart to the present Administration. The
inflate, now complained of. were nothing more
r-actions of an unhappy people excited by oppres-
sed be hoped there was no lola who, lilting his
o possish, did not feel his heart sink within him.
sling of the necessity of punishment. The Noble
en who bad persuaded the lush Parliament be
t to the Union bad fulfilled not one expectation he'
!hi oat on that occasion. This, among other
had led to excesses, and the remedy of the Noble
ess, as usual, was force. He (Sir Francis) thought
ersshould have preceded this measure by a state-
d' the sitnation of Ireland. Else what was a Go.
on fur?—(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.)—
merely to take the public mosey ? —(Cheers.)—
bow could they apologise for salting these wee.
lie again declared that he should not object to
acing of power in the hands of the Noble Marquess
head of the Irish Government, providing inquiry
o follow ; but by the proposed measures he was
to go on bliruffulded, without knowing where.
therefore should certainly oppose the motion.
UIIsEERT thought force necessary to meet the
ig evil; bat something must be dome for the tra-
it relief of the people. Ile declared his convict's,
se peace of the country could never be consoli-
until the tithe system was wholly abolished.—
rs.)—lle was averse to giving extraordinary
sto the Magistracy of Ireland. It was notorious
ustice was bought and sold in Ireland.
. AMERCRO3IItY, at some length, contended that
were not sufficient grounds stated for the enact-
cf these severe measures. He accused the Ad-
oration of the grossest neglect in the Government
viand, and expressed his hope that an immediate in-
r would be appointed into the state of that country.
r. HUME said, he had a question to put to the No-
Marquess, on which he was sure the whole House
united. He adverted to the necessity there was of
consideration being given to the tithe system;
lest the Noble Marquess should suppose he brought
setter forward without a careful consideration. I.
ed to assure him, and all his friends knew it very
that the tithe system had occupied his serious at-
in for the last th ;re w nolis.—(Laughter.)--Ile wish-
know if the Noble Marquess would support a mo-
le go into a Committee on that subject, and he
,d give him the benefit of his services, having de-
-1 so lunch attention to the subject.—(Laughter.)
r LCOLE defended the conduct of the Lord Chan-
t of Ireland in the appointineut of Magistrates.
r. GILBERT said, with reference to the conduct of
.0111 Chancellor, be would state one fart, (runs which
[louse would make their own inferences.—'f here
four affidavits, by four 1 persons, charging a
istrate of the county of Limerick with gross unscon-
Ile (Mr. G.) waited on the Lord Chancellor, after
writing to him on the subject without receiving any
er, and stated the matter of the isffidavits. The
feller replied, that, on enquiry Into the matter, lie
I that the Magistrate was luirdeil by a book called
,ally's Janice of Peace, and he threw himself
s clemency of the Chancellor.—The consequence
that the man still remained in office. •

. BROWNE said, that when he voted u be meant
. fur so unconstitutional a law as the Insurrection
he did so only from a feeling of strong necessity
'le did not see any necessity •for suspending the!
as Corpus Act. He should again take an opportu4
of troubling 'the Hone when the gliestiogi of the,
vies of Ireland should come before theta. At tlif
time he lamented that no measures had yet been
I for relining those distresses.

TFIF

Mr. E. °KANT saki it was frau r frolingnt tb•

lost painful necessity that Is ibould vote-for the
neasnre thou heroes the House. .fle assured these be
ras the last man who would mike the Insarreetion

%et a part dm permanent system foe the goyeennrent of
I 'Aland ; bat he had. e•atended that an exigency

night not arise in which inch a measure mid ht not
he adoptel as one of absolute necessity, for seeming
Ile existence of the State. If he had not h•en con-

winced of the necessity of placing ouch confidence in
the Marquess We'lnlay. he should not now vote for
!hie measure ; for he was sure the Noble dlarqueos
would never have asked for the meow', if be had not
been

convinced that the safety of Ireland required it;
and no doubt could be entertained but that the Noble
Marquess would ase the powers vested in him with
moderation, and with an anxious desire to prom,*
the general benefit of Ireland. For this mewl het
shoeld vote for the measure, mod particularly so.',
because he felt it was not intended to make it a
part of the permanent system , for the tiovernment,
of that unhappy conntry.—(Hear, hear.) He knewl
that before the Session closed there soukd be as
inquiry into the general state of Ireland, with al
view of correcting the evils that existed there; there-
fore the House by passing the intended Bills would
not he precluded from entering into that general ex-
amination of the situation end demands of I"elaadv
which wee so much called for.---(Hear, bear.)—it wq
not now his intention to enter into any thing like a`
recapitulation of the ;demotes that prevailed in that
country. If be were to point out one of them. he
would say that she priacipal grievance was to be
found in the tithe-system—(hear, bear.)---which loudly I
called for some alteration. It was paisful to him tel
he obliged to yield to the present miium: bet ihW
did so as a proof of his regard for the Irish people;
and he was sure his Majesty's Ministers would be most
anxious to take every necessary step to remove the
gri that pressed upon them.
Lord EBRINBTON objected to passing the Inset-
rection Act. because be saw nothing in tbe papers be-
fore the Home to justify the exercise of more osten-
sive powers than were given by the misdate laws; and
because that Act was in itself odious. and acquired
additional Wiens from the heads into which it was to
be placed.
Mr. BROLOHAM assured the House and his Hoe.
Friend on the other aide (Mr. Orem), that it would
give him great satisfaction if be meld agree with him
is his views as to the measure now proposed. He
mew spoke from the impressive made on his mind by
the official coaduet of his Hoe. 'Friend; and they ell&
feted only is regard to their votes that eight; for he
fully agreed with hie Right lion. Friend, that every
possible degree of confidence might be reposed la the
Marquess Wellesley. If the measure was called for by
*messily, it would be better at once to pass a vete
investing the resew Lord-lieutenant of Ireland with
extraordinary powers, as the exigency of affairs might
require. What right had the Noble Marquess to call
on time House to harry a business of this kind? What'
occasion was there ter berry? If esperlitioe la a
measure of this Idid lid hem oecessary, why was
not Paglianseet esseibleireasier ? Why did sot Pere
Rarest meet before eltrletutas ? But the *mew hat
ividence before is that sight 'efficient to show that
itiogs were be such a elate be intent Me mite% evil
might have been prevented had Parliament bees
called is the month of October last. No word Amid
pass his (Mr. Brotrhain's) lips that could be coo-
'trued to countename. what so bums. being could
suspect another of appleuding, the acts of cruel and
blood-thirsty violence, which disgraced and degraded
a portion of the people of Iceland. But the necessity
of some steps WIN; admitted, it appeared to him that
it might be mummy to increase the military force,
and give a larger military dictatorship to the bead ..1
the Government there. as might meet the emergency
of the case. But this, so far from being a measure
of confidence in the Lord-Lieutenant. was more a mea-
sure of eoefidesce in the Magistrates of Ireland, and
that not in one or two districts, but applicable uni-
versally. it only required to obtain a measure
a so dangerous a character that a few Magis-
trates should get together and frighten each other,
or desiring to extend their local authority shonld
memorialise Government. The powers that the
Insurrection Act gave, were at once destructive of
personal liberty. They were large powers. atal a
frightful discretion to give to any, be they who they
'bight, with all those petty local passions and peals-
•dices which prevailed in districts less disturbed thsa
those to which this applied. By whom were these
powers to be exercised ? Surely there was gemmed
for distrust here. By Magistrates whom the House
had heard described, and to whom lie meant no dim-
spect in taking the account of their countrymen. By
one Hon. Member they were described as not being
proprietors of land, assay even being middlemen, and
kisown to the people by any thing rather than that be.
selieleat connexion which bound the tenant to the
landlord ; but wore in the shape of a grinding scourge.
Aeotiter stated that an appointment to the Magistracy
was one in which so little care was shewn, that a person
who had stood behind him as waiter in an inn, he at-
towards foetid in emended... Another, the Hon.
Member for Wicklow said, that instead of passing as
Act to invest new powers in the Magistrates, the great-
est relief that could be gives would be an Act to abo-
lish Magistrates altogether. They had also bad a de-
claration from another quarter, that inch was the con-
stitution of the Magistracy, that whilst it existed jus-
tice was to be bought mid sold. Were these proper
person to be entrusted with such powers? Were these
persons in whose behalf they were.to give up without
further deliberation than what had been afforded
them that single evening. to give up the whole Consti-
tution of Ireland?—(Hear.) He had heard it said that
night, that they mast not consent to adopt a remedy
for the grievances of which these people complained,
in consequence of these outrages, since that would sa-
vour of intimidation. But it was a great mistake to
put it in this way. They wbu declared that whatever
measures were adopted, should be accompanied with
conciliation, did not ask it as the fruit of those
outrages.—They said, whilst voting for sheen
measures of ity, do not press heavily us
the people without holding out the hand If
cesciliation.—(ilear.)—But how *could it be otherwise
with that people, seeing the mitegoversonent with
which they have re long been Witted? They were'
to divided amongst themselves that ohs memoe of their
church establishment exceeded that of assay states la-