The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-06-09 00:00:00

Mt STATESMAN.

the %lc the Navy he did propose to diminish,
though it cost six millions for only 20,000 men, tse-
tse*, She greater part was expended open place and
poltroons. One pest source of charge to she Ns.
1100 was the mode in which stamps were distributed.
In all cases much more was paid to the disttibutors
than they merited. In Aberdeen, to take that as
specimen, the distributor was paid 1,4001. In do
that which hundreds of others would gladly under-
take for 3001. In teeth, the profit sprit. Nampa was
len per cent . ; sn that no *glary at all nosh' to be
allowed. Ile perfectly speed to she propriety of sp.
Plying five millions or even eight millions to the
Sinking Food; but he was much averse to the im.
position of three million of lases, its the present dis-
tressed state of the reentry. For the reasons he bud
stated, if no other Hon. Member proposed an
amendment to the last Resolution, be should think
proper himself to divide the House upon it.
Mr. PRIMROSE said, that with revert to the
lases themselves, be ohjectud In OOP Of two leespe,
and particularly the Tat open Malt ; and be Moro,
that a gas might b 4. Irrynsed upon the importation of
foreign corns from whence the ortriculteral irverest
might derive great advantages. This might, pettier:,
be said to be favouring ton much the lauded pro.
prim's,, but he always had considered that the ie.
terests of she fundholder and the landholder were SO
intimately connected, that in sopportiegtke et*, the
ether was sure to be benefited.

Mr. D. W. HARVEY strongly of jeeted to the
, imposition of these new tales. Among the ea: ',ice.
Ito the nation whirls rrig be curtailed (for to ens.
aerate them all would, lotted, tire she 1""i"ocil of
the noose), was that ess.at et.ealliglint one, 40 Pro'
aeration of informations on the Eatbequer by the
Crown. No reoer than five Sawyers, as the head of
whom was the Adorn...) I:nneral, weft constantly
tamp's- yeal to coodact a prosecution for the recovery
of 201. boltolly ; end juslting from lb. return which
bad been mada to the Howie, the anneal expenses of
;i.e.,. pr,s•rolons t,. th. Gorernment might IN cal-
culased et nu 1,..) a sum than 24,0001. assesally.
I thin es ii he would endertake to apply a remedy, by
which 14.0001. miens he saved, and if every Honour.
able M. :slater would pladee himself to do the mime,
the ri. sicietier in the revenue would be soon made up.
—[..l lames ]
Mr. %VA UNMAN objected to the imposition of
even a shilling, in the shape of tales, span tbc Poo.
ple. The C`iancellor of the Exchequer had complained
of the fraud, of the brewer upon the public; but he
(Mr. Waithman) begged the Hasse to mark the
reserve which she Right lion. Gentleman had taken :
he had indeed complained of these practices, bet bad
not eapmssed the least objection to participate in the
profita thus derived by the brewer. " No," said
the Right Honourable Gentleman, " the Public shall
O-1 be robbed without my having a hood in it."
With reapect to the tea on Wool, also, he bad a
strong objection. fly a reference to the Relates be.,
f• re the Hoes', it would be seen that the amount of
annellen goods exported was upwards of nine millions
per annum, while the meant of the importation of
the raw material did not reach to above half that sem.
Another eff.tct of the imposition of the new tales
eneld be, end it was one of much importance in its;
c-oispeences, to send out of the motility many thou.
sands who either were not able to pay, or would not
pay the taxes. The greater part of those, however,
who thus fled their own country, were the very men
'she lived open taxation, and who having imposed
fresh burdens upon a starving People. retired to enjoy
themselves in • foreign country. These were not
subjects to be treated in a 'potties or laughing
manner, and it would become his Majesty's Mi.
'sisters to deal in something more than gene.
WOO., when they called upon Ilse (House to im-
pose fresh hoydens on the reentry. However horn.
hle or incapable he might be, he was determined to
give no vole for additional lases, till he sew some
Committer appointed emeng whom there should be
Ito Plocamen, and who in the tree spirit of enquiry
would examine oar real situation, lie was sorry to
Aire& himself so long on the attention of the
linesr.—(Hear I)—lie was analogs not to trespass
ne their time, bet having been seal there, without
the expenditure of else penny on his owls part, by the
Metropolis of the British Empire, he felt it his defy
to proclaim and enter bis protest sophist the impost.
lion of new taxes at the present moment.—(/leer,
heir ! )—His Majesty's Ministers "Mehl collect
their friends from Devonshire aid Cornwall, bet
they could not argaire the confidence of the
lie for one hail to dotter., that be would not join in
any vote for new taxes of any description till he saw
a sincere spirit of reireecbment and economy evinced.
—(Ueer, hear !)
The first and second Resolutions were then pot and
carried onanisoesly. The third, which was as fol-
lows, was afforest& pet :

" That in tie year preeedoia the Laid riessarili4ntinn, the art
reparote iurogsbe .1 limbo's! oats 4.561 1191. owl the chow of
the fended and enfainintidebi of Itriami oar 6.146 8551.. *Ouch
etrerded lb. 'thole net terelore by the ago of 1.665.1;., os-
clr.ito of the LW. arid other pernaionin rlioreo of Ire-
Irma, sod of she ptopostion of 'be ramifies in be defrayed by
that part of she wailed Linadcsia."
Sir JOHN NEWPORT observed, that from the
wording of this Resolution. a censure was paned.
and would be conveyed down to posterity. upon the
whole Irish nation. helmd had contributed her full
share to the heavy demands that bad been made Go
the United Kingdom. In proportion to her capacity
to pay, she had been toted mere severely than Great
Britain. It was stated in a Report of the Finance
Cofetnittee. that., lirge as was the increase in the FP.
venue of Great Britain, that of Ireland had increased
in a greater proportion. Justice to Ireland required
that so unqesbied a declaration should not be pot
epos the J 011111412 of the House. It was no satis-
factory snarler to tell him that such • statement
would contain a mere truism ; it was right that the
whole truth should be distinctly avowed. Ireland
had shed her best blond, and sustained she heaviest
presser, of taxation, in support of the common
cause; her incapacity to hear more tales could only
be attributed with troth to oppression and mi.e
or sent. With these views ha shoeld propose
the addition of words to the following effect : —That
since the Union the sum of 60,125,0001. had been
raised in Ireland. and paid into the Exchequer. and
that the animal charge was not less thou 3,750,0001.,
being an increase of 4.400,0001. since the censolide-
lion of the two revenues.

The CHANCELLOR di the EXCHEQUER

thnoghtthe proposition of tho floss. Bart. @night be
otriccterl to without any diswrien,Lolt the twit of this
Paul ) setiell se fdlih• -IMtnewlthe to 'view.
at their proper value the esertions ollich I relso,l had
wade d•rtlag Ils.4l2(;gbattalis W 43 not a ht oerasiota
far entering late a listory or general discussion of
the teltjeet of Irish

Sir JOHN NEWPOILI. said, his nal, object in
astitisiat tie amendment sins to %indicate jr,:.„4
from the 10,1 which was contained in the Right Hon.
Genoternen%

The amendment was the, negatived without s di.
!Anon, mead the other It .oltetiotts Lein, pat :mains,
were carried auccemicely in the sffirmatter, till the
within was put “pnt, the
Sir M. W. ill 1/1.11- rtlierreed, that he, for o go.
could not entertain that cortit!eht• in his Nlatesit's
Ministers which would i.. lure him to pl.tm in their
howls a larger disposable revenge. The 10,peau,,,. of
an additional tat would inevital Iv fall open the coo.
lOW is lb. end. The Duty out Tea miet be called
v•olation, hot it would he. fail of • 'lts the price.
too, • dopier perinil for iropi sing • ow. teg
on totcarre, f.., the price of it wag ',newly high, sad
lb. supply of i. buns America • 'l7 sm.). Tr., Wahl
...a delertatt.ed In prime the la.:
I ...tier Cans. I. titt i• es j VII.M1115; eau beg•t• by las.
ism; two,. then goo • 11:0,111, taco tee. sod at Int
the quid of &sm..— (.. laugh ).—.11.• should now
mums at: emectiment to she rlfecl of leaving inn all
t'v, words of the original raiwitaa after tat word
" That," end to substitute a declaration the it wag
mot aMpedient lit the disnessed .tare of elm antatry,
sot 11:1 *very stotacate of plactkabio ratatmcanoaft
was adopted, to odd to the bordello of ter People by
soy fresh imp *Shinn:

Tae CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
then rose. The Hoe. Baronet sew proposed, met
only that the erigissi Reselotion shoold not be agreed
to, bet that the Hasse shoold espies. a contrary
apioies to the f•nour of that Resolation, and mewed
it. costieliou that the country was at present look.
ink to th► stale of th► finances is a miiisfactory sits.
' •titre. Ile man epposs the lien. Benoit's Resole.
Hon, and (Ns his sopped to that already befogs the
Hoose.—(licar I)
Lord MILTON NM, I. considering •he question,
whither the Right Her. C.oulemost's pl.o for is-
proving the Rennes was likely to be effectual or
advisable, it Imams, the House to passe a little, and
suffer the peseta distresses of the country to peso
away in some measure, before they attempted to
robe that Revenue in order to recreit the Sinking
Foal—a fend which was appropriated for the se-
curity of the Stockholders, and not for the security
of the Poblic.—(Hear !)
Mr. PRIMROSE explained. The greet defect of
nor present system ban been, the Orissa on rape.
dients.—[Dear, hear!]—The g►estest ohjection t•rt
had to Ministers, as tar as finance was concerned
was, that they had been devising such expedients ever
since the peace. There was another reason why he
could not grant them his confidence : no later than
Ito preceding night, the Right Hoe. the President of
the Board of Caromed (Mr. Canning) had etpresaed
his regret that Gentlemen oo his (Mr. Primrose's)
aide of 11. e House should hare goaded ens kis Majesty'•
Minisirrs to a press t ire exposure of those espedieota
which had proved so ruinous, sod ►educed us to the
situation • e were now its. The rimy way of reacts.
log ourselves was to restore the country to its former
greatness end character, by giving to it the mess, of
external security, t►rough the advancement of its la-
teens! credit.

.

Mr. J. P. GRANT concurred with his Honour-
able Friend, who bad just sat dos n ; Ministers had
too long subsisted upon espedients. Without enter-
ing iota the question between those she disapproved
of, and tins, who supp sited the system of a Sinking
Fund, be would maintain that she present was not
a favou►able oppotteaity for augmenting oar tales,
with a view to the creation or increase Ostia a feed.
Nothing was more absurd than to seppose that Go-
vernment could create wealth, for that resulted sloe.
from the usefully employed labour of the People.—
But it was in the power of the Goverment to transfer
wealth from owe class of the People to another; end
the elect of the inesseratender consideration would be
In transfer wealth from the industrious part of the
community to the giockholders, for whose advantage
the new Sinking Vend was to be created. Upon the
subject of • Sinking Fund, be wee aware that both
Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fos concurred, but neither, it was
to be recollected, bad the advantage of experience.—
It was notorious, that ever Mace the adoption of Mr.
l'itt's plan, the country never bad an efficiebt Sink-
ing Feed. The only efficient Sinking Fend, indeed,
ever known in this reenter, was that established by
Sir Robert IValpole, and which amounted to
1,200,0001. Hem the Honourable Member read et-

tracts from pamphlets published by Sir R. Walpole
and Mr. Pultenvy, to show the important operation of
a real Sinking Fend, both concerting in iha opinion,
that the effect of such a I would be rather to in-
dispose the public creditor to press for the payment
of his dein. Such, indeed, was the fart at limiting
those pamphlets were published in 1733, as appeared
from the previsions of the South See Company, and
other claimants upon the Public Pone. Bet no seek
consequesee bad ever followed from the Sinking
Fund established by Mr. Pitt, sod with regard loth@
merit of which, Ile was aosa..rised to slate, that Mr.
Fos had declared elsewhere a decided change of
opinion. Ile would caution the House against stir
vote of new tales upon a mese chimers.—[llcar,
hear!]
Mr. CALLAGUAN spoke in (mar of the pre.
posed lases.
Mr. F. LEWIS said, all legation was an evil, hut
the benefit of establishing a Sinking Fond predousi-
sated above the veil in the present Case.
Mr. A BERCROM BIE contended that the present
was a vary unit moment to add to the burdens of the
People.
Mr. 11. SUMNER complained hit the tam pro.
posed wore of a nature which must operstounfasoar-
ably on the landed interest, bet declared his intro-
teats to support all the propositions.
After a few words from Mr. MACDONALD, the
House divided as follows :
Far the ortginal fliatiull.lEl6-I,nr the ameadarai, 76.
hlajnrity 1111.

On ear te-adetissieoto the gallery, we found Mr.
BROUGHAM on his Iwo : he begged to know
e►u pie• the Chaseeltor of die Eackevier mast t.)

propose to-morrow, in porssanee of the Resoistions
which had nnw been agreed to?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he shoeld to-morrow parsec the cootie *hal
was ...ally adopted : that wasp he shnold lay open
the details of the plan in a Committee of Ways and
Trans.
Mr. BROUGHAM bogged In know, whether the
Right llostoorabie Gentleman, following op the min
dple ofecooomy which had this night met with the
snifter's! cescerrenconf the Hous..and *Lich would
saes doubt be noctinned by the universal approbation
of the cowry, meant to propose to.ownerme any ape.
cult plea for nehment ?—( Hear. hear !)
The Cil A NC ELLOR of the EACH EQU ER said.
that rech a plats could form no part of the treys and
means.

Mr. BROUGHAM remarked, that though re.
henchmen* was • very pretty thing to talk sbo•t, it
seemed as if there um no taste for adopting it as •
practical measure.
CASH-PAY M ENT4 BILL.

The third resdiug if ibis Bill •u postponed till
Woodsy-

IX F.W TAXES.

_ .....—..
Lewd IdluroNaskett whether the dote en forel4n
"tool to form a part of tho Ways ••••1 Means ?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQU slid,
de beet • snigger la meld appear in a lichvilate .hick
• ookl soon be pot into ties ►ands of Membors, 10114
the ostioliono ew the different dein%
Lord 311 LlON.—Tn.sorroo !

Ti. CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER
trued not, ou account 4 its voluminous omen.; bet
be bail prepared a swine( our, wbkh would be die.
nibelvd 181-...orfriVi.

Lord MILTON looped Ow Toe Dill world not be
payed len re pidl tr.
The CHANCELLOR of Ow EXCHEQUER bad
no wish so to press it : the Consults*o eight be or
Woodsy meanies,.
Mr. sTuAtur WORTLEY said, be bad • Peti.
Lion to present against she awessore. Ile visit►d to
know ohms it would be in order for the Hoes. to
mine is ?

The CH A NC ELLOR oftlio EICH EQU ER ap.
pretended that no P►titien could be received against
a weasson which had been sanctioned as part of As
Ways and Minna.
The SPEAKER was of opinion that no Petition
could be received 'Oast the Resolutions after they
had been agreed to. The emotion was, whether
the Bill, when Weight in, bad renews to this Ways
sod Means.

Lord MILTON opprolieoded, that the reeve @boot
to be rsised (said not be considered se pert of the
Sepplies of the year, bet were for the Sinking Fond.
The SPEAKER coolesord that he did net know
whether the Reeotetions formed @ pert 01 the Sopply
for the year: if they did, t►ey were, basin been truce
peed to, conciosire.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then tented for Irmo to, barrels • 13411 is immune,
of the Reseleti..no.

Sir IL WILSON had teases to belies'► that be
shoals' have a Petition to preseet Eros his eoastise-
obis a4aitist the ineeserv; and he wished to klieg if
the 'loa►e wools, be preclodird frees receiving it, by
llait Bin Woe brought is

The SYI.:AK ER ihotight, that leave being given to
bring in the Bill, firmed 110 greater obstacle to the
w.eopliton 01 petitions than the act of agreeing to the
liosolstions.
Lord MILTON wished to know viten Ito Ches.
cello, of the Eachequer intended to bring in the hill ?
Mr. BROLGHANI.—With the greatest possible
saboission to the uetherity of this Chair, be thought
that, miser than late soy farther step at this late
boot, lb. Horse shod) take 24 Moots to coosaut the
point of difficulty.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHF.QUER bed
PO decided episeies whether Petilions could be re.
ceivrd is the present case; he was inclined to think
that t►ey amid out. Bat the leafs to being in the
1141 being given, would oak, no diffrretice. The
leave given would leer, the point neatly is the sass
altratine *sib, Resolotiou left it.

Sir J. NEWPORT was the sew, opinion as to
the giving of Imre tit brills in the 13111 waking •edit.
fernery. The diScelty was, whether a Resolotioa
not originating its a Cowwittee of Ways and Means
precteded P►titions.
Mr. EALEILAFT .reed, that at it wield make
little difference whether leave to bring I. the Bill
should be gives to-night or to.worrow, me farther
sop s►sold be t.k►n wittiest eagairy.
The CIIANCELI.OR of the EXCHEQUER
said, be had me of briaglog in the 11111 w-
eight.

Mr. CALCRAFT repeated Me prnposal for de.
Isiing even 'hal/ready. of leave to bring it in, till
enquiry should be wide, especially es no Member,
not even the Hon. Gent. opposite (Mr. iiroirten),
she sad set so long in the Hints*, could give • de-
cided °pipings epno the point.
Mr. F. ROBINSON repeated, that this step wade
so roesib:• diforenre.

£lr. LutArr rose mein to Niche's the Choir,
when

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
roosenieti to postpone all furthe► proceeding, and
foot to.toorron for lease to bring in his Bill.
'1 he ostler Orders of the Day being disposed of, the
Besse ailjouroed at One o'Cleek.