The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-02-12 00:00:00

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establishment, which, from all be nnderstood, etiice
1798, the year of the rebellion, was of very little service.
Not only was it of little service, but the cause of consi;
derable mischief. The Yeomanry corps in many-districts
were composed principally of Orangemen, who so far
from contributing to the peace and tranquillity of the
country, were the principal promoters of every riot and
excess. This was chiefly to be observed in the north of
Ireland, and it would be in the recollection of many
lion. Members, that in the course of last year when
they were called not, instead of repressing the distur-
bances they aggravated and increased them.—(llear,
hear !) The truth was, that the whole of the Yeoman-
ry establishment of Ireland was a complete job, and one
of the grossest that ever came within Lis observation.
The Muse would olcarce4;believe, that by a paper which
he bail moved for last Session, and which be had taken
a glance at that day, there were ten Brigade Majors
retired on pension belonging to the Yeomanry Corps.
None of them deelazrd to be unfit for service, and at an
expense of 1.2711. paid to them—some of them after
only ten or fifteen years' service. Some who were in-
vAlided were, as be understood, not older than
himself, and in much better heath than lie was
(Laughing.) And he wonld be' glad to ask, whether'
he could have the face, impudent as he wss—(laughing)—to
come end ask a pension for a. broken constitution ? Such a
proceeding, though strange here, was uothing new in Ire-
land. One of the cases he would particularly allude to was
that of Mr. (7ollis, who was stated to have retired on a pen-
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sion from infirmity of body. lie (Mr. Hume) requested to
apply for correction to the Hon. Member for Sligp if he was
mistating the facts, but he understood that Mr. Collis was
not more than 60 years of nee, both stout end healthy ; that
he was treasurer to the county, and in possession of his own
income of 2,0001. a yeer. in looking, therefore, at the Hon.
Secretary's eAmates—all drawn up with great attention to
economy, as doubt, to use the words of the day—they
would find in theme sum of 1,2711. paid to retired offiters to
make way for those who enjoyed 3,7501. a year from their
places.—(Hear.) It was, however, only one of those 60 or 60
john, every one of which was, more gross than the other.He
hoped that the house would, before voting the money.
support him is requiring the certificates on which these
Gentlemen were invalided. If the accounts were ordered,
he trusted to see them in such a way that the real expense
could be got at,—(llear, hear!)—lt was a great shame, in
his opinion, that after the measures which were carried last
year, that this additismel expense should be continued. It
was a part of the conduct of the Irish Government, which
was for many years managed in the most abominnble man-
ner—at least so far as regarded considerations of expense.
He would not, at present, oppose the bringing in of the
Bill, but he trii steel, during its progress through the House,
that the Wiest information would be afforded on all points
connected with the subject.
Mr. 611151,111:1:N slid that he did not think it fleece-
a'iry to reply to all the topics on which the Honourable
Gelation .n(Mr. Howe) had spoken, as tl:c
iutroelce-
lion of th m at present was quite lumina', from the prac-
tice of former tenses ; and as they more properly belong-
ed to the general discussion of the Army Estimates.—
(Hese, hear) Indeed, he was not prepared, on the in-
stant, to rive the p irticill.-rs of rc mreinent to each
officer, or the reason why Mr Colis who had been dis-
tinctly alluded to, was inyali:le:l. lie woad, however,
he ready in his place on any regular debate on the sub-
ject specially, or on the Army F,.timatm, generally, to
enter on a discussion, and explain the points in a manner
satisfa-tery to the Hons.., if trot to the lion. Aleinher
himacV.--(Hesr.) At the close of the war there was a
very considershle number of Brigade Msjors in active
employment, a great many oof whoa, were inva'ideol, awl
the supernionerwies were put upon half pay. No op-
tnewent had since taken p'aee that wee oyt.Wled up
as that half-pay list. If, therefore, a rcired list coat
be, brought forward as a ch irge against the present Lord
Lieutenant, or the preceding lush Govermunt, it was
tube a en that they preferred rather filling np all vacan-
cies frost the half-pay list than from their own friends.—
(Hear, btu.)
Mr. A BERCROMBY 'considered that it would be
lionise first to pass the Yeomanry Continuation Act,
mad then go into an examination of the (objections to it.
For his part, he came down to the House, in conse-
quence of the notice of the Honourable Secretary, with
the greatest anxiety—a solicitude which every person
mast share who observed the critical and alarming state
of Irelanital the Freest moment, and a bill at the same
time for establishing a corps of Yeomanry, to the
greatir part of which, if not to the whole, he looked
with much anxiety, if pot with suspicion. He hoped
at least that it would cot be p d throuh the House
.until the arrival the Attorney ti I for Ireland
who would, no doubt, bring them the actual end alarm-
ing state of that country, which required the serious
and careful consideration of the House—a situation
cert.:i nly nothing novel in the history of Ireland, where
the sante causes of discontent were long known to exist,
but accident had brought before the public
lately. lie trusted to see all the circumstances to which
he alluded, and the general state of the country, being
brought before them, that, on the part of the people of
Ireland, a full, general, sod anxious investigation should
take place. He was certain that the Attorney General
fur Ireland would, front respect to himself, front respect
IR the Lord Lieutenant, and to the House, bring all the
eirkuuntances before the serious consideration of Perlis-
ment: He trusted that before the discussion on that
most important of all questions, the Catholic question,
the y would be submitted to the House, and its opinion
dalltsited on them in the strongest and most pointed
iisin Der.
"Mr. 03ULBURN and Mr. V. FITZGERALD both
wise at the same moment—the former was then called
epos to go oe.—and the latter then accordingly gave
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#Ir..OOULBURN. in explanation, said that he did
not expect,' in merely moving for the continuance of the
Yeomanry Act, to be required to go into the general
state of the country. He did not press the motion from
any wish to hurry the Bill through the forms of the
House, but he ,it thus early, in compliance
with the willies of thifilonse expressed last Session, that
the Irish business should.be laid as early as possible
upon sloe table, for the fullest information of Hon. Mem-
bers hear.)—And he begged particularly to
disclaim all intentions of taking the House by surprise,
(bear.) The Hon. Gentleman opposite stated that time
Yeomanry Corps Bill, was one which, under the pecu-
liar circions!noces of the country, ought not to be conti-
nued. !While he (Mr. (i.) deferred time discussion 9f the
general (Molten to another opportunity, he could, at the
present, retell to the: attention of lion. Alernhers, that
Yeoman?! Corps have, been of considerable service to
the country. Last year,' when an Immediate force was
necessary, the only force' which Government could
lay its lingers. upon at the moment—not for the
purpose of increasing their patronage, but for
preserving time lives of the iobabitants—(Hear,
hear.)—was that body of men which was then
spoken of with so much reprobation.—(Hear!)—To argue
the necessity of their further contteuance, would be to de-
bate a principle which was already sanctioned both io
.Eog:
land and Ireland.—(llear !)—With respect to the otheesely-.1
cuinstances which bad been alluded to, lie could only soy
present, that they would become matter of grave delibersei,
tioo,-7(tlear, hear 1)-11e wuuld for the preset absmin
from any expression of the feelings of the Irish GovAnmeat
upon them-tnot fres any desire to avoid the fullent.ogoliv,
nation, but from aconviction that that moment tiaaastiaa'

en Wfiteritiev could enter upon the subject, with advantage
either to the Irish Governmeut, to the hostas, ov to the coun-
t try at larae—(Hear .)
Mr. ABERCKOMBY explained, that he did ni t in-
tend to give any opposition to the continuance of the
Yeomanry Corps, he only said that it should be looked
upon with great jealousy in the peculiar circumstances
in which Ireland was then placed, and he %liaised that
it should be deferred for an ample opportunity of dis-
cussing the whole question.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD said that he protested against
the wide and sweeping charge brought against the Yeo-
manry Corps of 'reload. lie was not prepared to deny
that several objections might be fairly urged against the
Corps of many counties; but to involve in one gene-al
charge a body of men, who have been illustrious in the
history of their country, who have fought for it in dan-
ger, and suffered fatigue in its service, was extremely
illiberal. Having bad thy honour to command the
Yeomanry of the County (Clare) which he represented.
he could prove decidedly, so far from their being sub-
ject to the influence of Orangeism, there was not oas
Orangeman in the corps, and even there were not, he
believed, ten Protestants in it. In a neighbouring
county there was not a single Protestant in the corps,
and he could say of them with pride, that for the last
two years the peace of that part of the county was to
he atirihuted to their goad conduct. Unless it was to
he contended that the Yeomanry should he abolished
altogether, the objections to the present Bill could not
be maintained. With regard to the superannuation
eases which had been alluded to, he could, as one not
long since connected with the Irish Administration,
safely say that no superannuation was ever made with a
view to make room for any favourite or dependent of
the Covert:meta. As to the special case of Mr. Collis,
the lion. bleaker (Mr. Humpy was not correctly in-
formed of the rants. Instead of being but 45 years of
age, his years of service were 45—sand an invalid and
meritorious oilier. There might be two Gentlemen of
the name of Collis, but he believed be spoke of the same
person to whom she hon. gentleman referred. He would
not occupy the time of the flame any further, as his
sole object in rising was to rescue the Yeomanry Corps
from the general imputation which was cast upon them
—patti.-ilarly.those in the South of Ireland. who had
fought for their country manfully, and were loyal sub-
jects and brave soldiers.
Mr. S. RICE said the statement of his Right lion.
Friend (Mr. V. Fitzgerald), left the question where it
found it, for the yeomanry of the South of Ireland were
very unimportant in numbers compared with the yeo-
manry of Ulster. The whole number of yeomanry in
Ireland was 30,000 in all, and of these 2J,000 were in
the pruAinee of Ulster, so that two thirds of the yeo-
manry were from three sevenths of the population. All
the objections which had been urged against the yeo-
manry applied strictly and strongly to the yeomanry of
Ulster. If the matter was not disposed of when the
great question of the affairs of Ireland came before
diem, he shout; propose sotn- measure to protect the
people of Ireland against the irritation of Orange pro-
cessions, which were the more dangerous who they
were formed by men with arms in their hands.
Mr. V, FITZGERALD explained.
Mr. HUME, in allusion to the statement of the Hon.
Member for Clare, read from the return lie held in his
hand the name of Edward Collis, pensioned after up-
wards of ten years service (had it been eleven it would
have been mentioned.)
Mr. PEEL said a great reduction of the Yeomanry
took place on the peace, but the Brigade-Majors who
were placed on the Retired List, were not pensioned to
make room lot others, but because their service: were no
longer useful.
Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
GENERAL TURNPIKE ACT.

Mr. FRANKLAliiiiiiiiisinovrif; leave to' bring
Aa a Bill to amend and explain the Uetseenilfarapike Act
of last "Session, and took occasion ratter feelingly to
lament the impossibility of procuring Honourable Mem-
bers to pay sollicient attention to such subjects in detail.
The Bill be intended to submit to the House did not
contain above right printed pages, while some former
Acts consisted of more than sixty. By paying more
attention to such subjects, and simplifying the details, a
considerable sum would be sp fired.
Mr. CURIVEN approved of the Honourable Member's
intention.
Mr. G. BENNET and Sir THOMAS ACLAND said
• few words.
Mr. F. LEWIS explained.—Leave given.
WINDOW-TAN.

Mr. HOHHOUSE gave ;:;tice of Lis intention to re-
ti?w, 'after Eas:er, his motion fur a repeal of the Mil-
dow-Tax, unless certaln events took place, viz., unless
the country should be enged in war, or the motion of
his honourable Friend (Jr. Moberly), fur the repeal of
the whole Assessed Taxes should be carried, or that Mi-
nisters, who had spoken of reveling some of the Assess-
ed faxes, sholld take off the Window-Tax.
RUSSIAN DUTCH LOAN.

Mr. HINE, in rising to move for certain papers re-
lative to the loan contracted for by Russiain Amster-
dam, in March 1814, and guaranteed jointly by Great
Britain and the Uovernmtnt of the Netherlands,' said,
that it formed part of that wise system of foreign policy
for which his Majesty's present Ministers had made
themselves so celebrated, to pay three millions to the
Emperor of Russia, and he did not know but this very
money was now employed to carry. en war against Sc ain.
We took on ourselves to pay the interest of this loao, h$
a compensation to Holland fir the Colonies of the Cape
of Good Hope and Demarara, and these Colonies had pro-
bably cost the country another three millions.—We had
paid a large slim fur the privilege of expending a sill
larder one. He Dished therefore to know what amount
of this loan had been paid by this county; and he was
obliged to move for specific information,__becaose it was
not regularly submitted to the House. He believed be•
mom aix and seven hundred thousand pounds had been
paid, and that about two millions three hundred thousand
pounds remsined to be paid. Some persons were foolish
enough to imagine that this was to engage the great Pow-
ers to preserve the peace of Europe; but if this were the
case, as they were now busily employed in disturbing.
it, the time w < come when inquiries should ho made into
the. matter. He concluded, therefore, by moving foe
varmus accounts as to the sums of principal and interest
of this loan, which had been paid by this country, trom
19th May, 1815, up to the present titne.—Ordered.
CROWN LANDS AND QUIT RENTS IN IRELAND AND
• ENGLAND.
Mr. HU3IE thin moved that a Copy of the Report
made by certain Commissionert'appointed to inquire and
report on the Crown Lands and Qoit Rents of Ireland,
be laid before the House. He knew little more of these
Commissioners than the expense they tow The" country;
but, as he intended hereafter to submit a motion to the
House on the subject of these Lands and Qatt Rents, he
thought it right that a Copy of the Commissioners' Re-
port should be laid before the House. He intended to
submit that the whole of these Crown Lands stud Qiit
Rents should he sold, and the proceeds appropriates to
form a Sinking Fund to pay off the National Ut ht. If
put up to sale, he was persuaded they would fetch two
millions, and hi the distressed state of the country it was
indispensably necessary to husband and carefully apply
sit our resources, The 'Hon. Member then.comalailiod
that the Triennial Report rehniteeio Woods abd Cutest',
'which might to have beenlaiCion the table last year,liad
• been kept back. It wag intertskkhr'iaiti, thu. hr whole
of. the Crown Lando io Great Britain Should be availa-
ble for thoitiblio service, but at present they rather in-
Crowd the hardens of the country, being wholly

waster! in pension... At the present time 411 thee...soirees
of the country ought to be c..lled info action ; and .4% i t
a view of *hen ing 'he state of lhia ; a-r of the publifs
resources, he should ;nova -for various ai (-muds coneerti-
ing them. He then moved for a copy of the Report of
the above Cominissioncrs ; an Account of the Sums

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transferred to the TbrVC per Cents. on account of the
Crown Lands, and also of the forfeited Estates; and.
several other accounts tip to the present year.
Mr. GOULIIIIIIN said, the lion. Gentleman seemed
to forget that an Act had been passed the last Session, td
do the very thing with regard to the Crown Lands of
Ireland, which he (Mr. flume) seemdd now only to-Ged
out would be a convenient thing. As for the measure
the Honourable Gentleman intended id found on these
papers, he world are that it had.alriedy been carried
into execution.
Mr. IIUME, in explanation, be wet aware of
the Act to which the night ll9n. Secretary alluded •di-
reeling the lands to be sold. What be ;complained of
was, not that the House did not make lases enough, tn.;
that they were not executed. He should like to see and
would move for an account of the meaty transferred
to the three per cents, in pursuance of the Act of Perlis
ament to which the Hight Honourable Secretary hall
alluded.

Mr. COULBURN explainer!, that to carry the Act
into execution buyers, were necessary, end far the
nourablo Memher to make his own measure efficatioui,
be must have a clause to compel men to become pur-
chasers.
vire TneastnEKOF inet.AND.
Mr. HUME Own rose tb move for sinforination rela-
tive to the Vice Treasurer of tridand, Wel he said had
been erected in spite of considerable stplposltion, when
the proper measure of reliOng. tto: ittignsh and to . •
Exchequers was carrieet Intorkeootion. He esw co
reason why the business of the Irish Exchequer coulll't
not be carried on in London like that of Scutlao•l.=-

Ile was quite sure that the long list of &predrill up
the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, sea sing no other pur-
pose but to add to the taxes of this country, was ex-
tremely pernicious. He should, perhips, hereafter suit-
mit to the consideration of the House, whether all the
ditties of Lord Lieutenant could not as well be prtfoim-
ed in London as in Dnblin. At least he would endea-
vour to make it manifest, and beitzed gentlemen might
bear the subject in mind, and be prepared for it when
it should be brought under discussion. The office of the
Vice Treasurer was created in 1816, and the sdary was
then 20001. a year, but from various causes the expense
of the office was now increased to 70001. without the
Vice Treasurer having any duties to perform ; he oas a
mete nominal check, and bad nothing to do bat sirs
his name. The present holder of the office passed half
the year in that honse, and another three months in
Derry. Hr (Mr. Mime) expected to secure the support
of several of his Majesty's Ministers in his endeavours
to abolish this office, particularly of the President of tie
Beard of Conironl (we understood) whose opinion of
the impropriety of cleatinc the office beheld in bit Iwo'.
The Chancel:or of the Excliecteer had endeavotirril to
make it an office of account, which it wee not. When
the law hail been passed for uniting the two Exchequers
—several persons who had been pensioned who had
since received new appointments with new salaries,
while they retained their pensions. The lion. Gentleman
concluded by movine fur Copies of Correspondence re-
lative to the office of Vice Treasurer.
Mr. LUSIIINGTON moved that so much of the
Lord's Commissioner's Speech as related to the reduc-
tion of the Estimates for the current year be takes
into consideration by a Committee of the whole Howe

tcrolorrow.
Mr. HUME wished to ask the Honourable Gentleman
whether he woul I have any objection to lay the items of
reduction on the Table before the Vote of Supply He
wished merely to know the amount of the reduction.
without calling at present for any fart i cola details.
Mr. LUSHINGTON said, WI was ready tit lay the
whole estimates before the Honse immediately, if he
were not restrained by the forms of the Honse.
Mr. W. SMITH moved for en Account of all Extents
in Aid issued from February, 1822, op to the present
period. Ordered.
On the motion of Mr. WILMOT, the West India
Trade Bill went through a Committee, and the Reitgt
was ordered to be received to morrow.
Mr. HUME gave notice, that be shou'd mot e to MO.
'row for a Return ni the Stipends of the Cherry in
Scotland, from the year 1750, up to the present period.—
Atikiuroed. •

The Deccan Prize Case has been terminated by a decisinn
in favor of the army of the Deccan, under the command of
Lieut. General Sir Thomas Hislop, Part. G.C.B. The
principle upon which It is understood the award of the booty
in question has proceeded, is that of uctuai capture. The
prize, therefore, taken at Poona'', Nagpore, Mahlilpore.
and the other places, is given to the respective ditisions f
the army of the Deccan by which it was taken, with a rime-
Lion that Sir Thome, Hislop as the Commander in Chia',
and his General Staff, shall share with each d vision, n-. 4
that the corps of observation, under the commend of the lye
Brigadier Genera Ilardyman, as basin.; moved towards
Nagpore for the purpose of co-operating with the troops
that place, and having actually engaged and derided n roc-
siderab:e force belonging to the Rajah of Beret, shall parti-
cipate In the booty captured in hie capital and territory,
upon the ground of a cortstroctire capture, approaching in
its circumstances and merits to an actual captive. It is zn-
derstood, also, that the claim of the East India Company to
a moiety of all the prize captured daring this war lies been
dcallowed. Of course these decisions exclude the Mar-
'lees of Hastings and the grand army, (except as abolic)r
• li7on any share in the Royal bounty.
A L'estructive Ere broke out on Tutedae Merniv, abalf
shout twenty ni, event teeants. The fire eoramefilfet;
heir mini eight o'clock, in a factory in Newton-street, in
Manchester ,
belonging to Mr. Barker, and occupied by
On the
ground floor, in a ro'tia occupied by MOW.. Priestly steal‘
:Brannon, and was causeu.l/4.v the Medea Cif a pair of bard
wheels. Some sparks fell upoli a large quantity of moo'
that had jest passed through the Moe !flff•maelilnik tWtd was
thereby rendered extremely light and intiiimnatible. It us,
Mediately caught tire, and In a feir minutes, the most was
filled with Barnes, which spread rapidly to the other parse(
the building. The factory was six stories ant about 40
yards in length, divided in the middle by a party wall'(ial •
ing been built at two different' dines.) Before the ariii al
of any fire engines, the new intl. In which the fire ode ina:ed.
was completely enveloped in flames. which prevented the
possibility of saving it. The efforts of the fire,/ ea ue.',s
therefore directed solely to the preserved°, of the n,:j3cent
houses,in which they succeeded. eller 10 o'clock the IlitA run
of the tectory was entirely destroyed. and the dames befaurtu
appear in the upper 'stories of the other part. They soot
burst ont with great violence, and by 12 o'cloet the
whole building was reduced to a heap of ruins. A great
part of the walls fell during and shortly after the tire,
without doing any toschief ; but, about tie
large mass of brickwork fell upon several houses in Putt-
street, In at in the roofs, and slid considerable damage
to the in terinr. Fortonstely, no lives were lost, nor was
any person .seriouelvilaresl. We have not Icirut the
.xtetit of the lo s on this occasion: the building n motot
insured for a farthing, and very few of the tenants. or
believe, were pratected. Scarcely any property was
save.
About six o'clock on Saturday teeming a fellow was
stopped by the watchman in Hosier-iame, with a hashistyl,
closing a sack, containing the body of a your% 01111.4, ar
pareatly yery recently dead. The corpse was takes test.
Sepulchre's workhous-, and every ingulry has shim* bra*
made at tee neigtileveriug burying minds, but no set;lder-
tory intellteeocilas been received as to the per me oldie'
*deceased. The fellow's *mud was, that a man M 4 OW,
Iglu a etillfof to carry the basket to Neirrte t Prktlt fir