The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-01-06 00:00:00

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-siade to Government, to 'educe it to Beliperate with, • in getting effect given by the Magistrates to the relief.
- and lend Its powerful sanction toe the exertions of! that might be obtaiebd, lbef beTske they could bop*
-private individuals. In• consequence of represents- Ito bring any distinct mistuie into action most of the
tions made in the Admiralty, an official letter hatti nbjecti of their charity staid have died.-r(fietrei
been received from the Secretary, Mr. Croker, stata , hear I)—When the afftiCriptiona .on .114 prelent a.
log that the Lords Commissioners were willing to sop- casino were paid, they could hill
.the subsoriberev
ply a ship for the reception of such seamen u should' that they should 'clever again isaire"liiireilt t• cowl
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be *Ogled by the Society, oss the condition thee they tribute for such purposes, as tbe Magistrates
&gild engage for the safety% of the vessel;_ bet that 1 of London would effectually put an era) to the evil.{
la lids net is their pewee-ma officer tr;:ae"tra,`or-iThe Worthy Chief Magistrate approved of the obi
discipliaeon board. ft badlitien stated in reply, thaws ject of the Meeting, and gave 501. as his subserles
- west bed bees Wide to the Committee, at a very tee. lion. He had told them that he had sent several pee.
leuebie rice of the est of .a large ship called the Awns to their parishes, and supplied there with Obi
Gat/+, fitted 'plot the'espress purpose of convey- rethaf allowed out of the City Funds; be had also,
iwg Lamm to the Eastindlea. and capable of woes. though he had not told it, bestowed liberally his pi-
- modeling team 700 to 800 mess, and which offs* the vats bounty for their relief. The effect of sending
Committee thoeght was St to be submitted to a Ge. them to their parishes was, that a poor bongry pilot
nem! Meeting. He had received that morning a let. was often committed as a rogue and a vagrant.—
ter from Lord Milville, repeating the ellaeranu of (Hear!)—Workhouses, if they were sent thither,
his warmest desire to promote the success of any plan would be loaded with disease and misery of the worst.
that might be formed for giving effect to the merito- kind. Ile would ask those who thought that Gm,
ileum wishes of the Associatiou. vernment should give relief, where the money was
Mr. Mirutrax bad thought k his duty to attend to come from. They could not apply money legally•
en the present occasion, but was persuaded that many and constitetiooally to this purpose wittiest an Act',
• et she distressed peewee whose. situation they were of Parliament. The answer to all that bad been said,
sew consideiine .wdre eireadttieeiTine pensions.-z. and that could be said, in objection to the Meeting,
Sumo might be divided isto tie three descriptioni was, that an intelligent, active, respectable, ammo eels
of these who had served on board men of war, the' Committee, would see that the money should be iss.
crews of merchantmen, and those who had been in diciously and usefully applied. With this mummy
the East India Cortipany's• service, the two latter of they subscribed their namecand called on ethers for
which classes were entitled to no public cotnpensa. such sums of money as they were willing to contri-
tion!, and Were therefore more imposed to distress.— bete. Of the object of their charity he should only
Ile dill not apprehend any great difficulty in mails- say, that it was pitiable its itself to see men who bad
taining discipline ; and thought also, that the Admi. fought and bled for their country perishing of want
salty must have somearthority to enforce it amongst in the streets of its metropolis, and that the removal
those who were receiving pensions from the State.— of such a pitiable sight was a strong call upon charity.
' lie would recommend that the clothes should be lent --(Gres tapplause.)
rather than given, as some security against the dais. I • Sir J. SHAW, in reply to the above speech, begged
ger of their being immediately disposed of. to say, that the only doubt he had upon the subject
Mr. Smilers here read Mr. Croker's letter, in was as to the way of affording relief. It was the
which it Was announced that the Admiralty could duty of Ministers, and they did not shrink from it,
sot assist in the support of any military discipline to be instrumental and active, and it was the lacem-
amongst the seamen whom the Committee should ex. bent duty of Magistrates to co-operate in relieving
art themselves to relieve, but this the maintenance of distressed seamen. Ile had spoken of what had bees
order Must be left to the Magistrates end the civil done when the objects of relief were infinitely more
„ numerous than at present. A frigate had been pro-
poser'/dr. Duca nn remarked, that the practice of send- vided ; those sent had been fed and tlothed by Go-
ing seamen to the imports was generally unavailing, vernMent.-7(liene, hear !)—The Government hid
as they were very prone to return after going a stage then fed and clothed these peruses from stores which
Of two into the country. were provided, and for which there was no other de-
Mr. DORNVORD saki, that having understood that month—(Deer, hear !)—When they were thus fed
a Worthy Magistitete, now present, had had, some and clothed, all of them who were fit for employ.
lime since, communication with his Majesty's Mini- meat were employed. Could more be done this year ?
Stets ors this subject, hoped be would inform them And could not this be done now as last year. After
of the nature of this communication, and whether considerable difficulty the different Consuls took
tiny measures had been adopted in consequence of it. charge of those belonging to their different countries
Sir JAMES SHAW observed, that in conjunction with and sent them back. The blacks were sent to she
..,the late Lord Mayor and his brother Magistrates, he Colonies. Ile hail not said that this Meeting was
bad bad several conferences with Ministers some unnecessary, but that Government and the Mates-
' tunas since, in relation to this interesting subject. trines could have done all that was now proposed, if
What had occurred to them was, that a vessel should they had timenosty, zealously, and unanimously co-
ls stationed in the river, within the jurisdiction of operated for the purpose.—(/tear, hear!)
the city, be provided with proper officers and a put- The Loan M Avoe thought that the apointment of
'ser, and that the Magistrates of the county of Mid• the Committee would be productive of an essential
dtesez should be called upon to take up all vagrant benefits by distinguishing between impostors and real
seamen, and semi them on board this ship, where obj of charity. Captain Campbell had promised
• their situation and character might he examined. The employment to those that should be well clothed.—
Admiralty did accordingly supply a vessel, and a great Ile clothed many. They were all sailors, and they
deal of advantage accrued ; many were sent to their were employed.—( Applause.)
proper homes and parishes, anal great exertions were Lord COCHRANE stated, that he- approved of the
made by correspondence with different Amassadors object of this Meeting—(Geed applause);—he
and Consuls, to procure a passage for foreign sea- therefore came forward to cantribete his mite—(im.
men to their respective countries. The same system mense applause) ; he approved of the object, because
bad been very successfully sited by the East India he thought the proposed relief practicable. For the
Company. A Government vessel was now in the whole kingdom it was impossible to Contribute any
Thames, although he was not certain whether it was adequate relief. Two years ago a large amount was
it to be applied to a similar purpose; but from the contributed—large as to the sum, thoegh small as to
manner in which he and his brother Magistrates bad the individual contributions. What was now the
- been received by his Majesty's Ministers, he felt a result ? Why did distress still continue so general
confidence that it was not necessary to subscribe a and 110 presang as to call for such a Meeting as the
'single shilling, for that the Government had as much present? It was the duty, the imperious duty of Go-
disposition and ability to discharge the duty now, as 'eminent, to relieve those wretched sailors. It had
et the former period to which he had just alluded. been triumphantly asked, " Where the money war to
Mr. Onsutrits elf had known of several persons come from ?" He could tell without difficulty—
%he begged its the streets having been sent to hos- from the Droits of Admiralty.—(Great applause.)-
-pltals, and they never again applied to the same There was a letter from the Secretary of the Ad-
quarter for relief. They got work to do, and work miralty ;—what did it amount to? Was that the
Mu not their object in begging. If every parish and way in which men who had bled for their country,
livery man did their duty, there bad been no ()milieu and who had preserved alt of liberty that now
Of call them together from their business. remained—Meer !)—ought to be treated ? Manyi
Capt. Is'itANIII.IN had been fora considerable time of them had gone to America, and gave their services •
at sea in the Company's service, and he could assure to the Americans, who were now become the ear-
ths Meeting that no Captain would take seamen rims of Europe: --(Some call of ". Question !")
who were were not well clothed. They were partial He would not be called to order; he had a right to
to clean young meat. He knew Captain Jamieson, say this, and be would declare
whose the trotmish,
alt hot bad
had
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she lately sailed, to offer to receive poor seamen, might be unpleasant to ose
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tech as escited the present Meeting, provided they occasioned all the evil be had complained O.—.
were well clothed, hut otherwise be could give them (Hear, hear, hear!)—lt was a grievance that ma
so ensployment. Ile should, therefore, be most hap. who bad served almost long enough to entitle them
py to give his mite on the present occasion, in order to pensions, and were willing to be longer employ-
to clothe them and to render them fit applicants for ed, had been discharged without their pensions.—
Work..--(//ear, hear.)—Besidei, many of the objects lie knew an officer In his own ship, who had served
of the proposed relief were too old to he employed within a few days of the time required, and yet
Many of those objects were 35 and 40 years old, I discharged without a pension, and withoot the power
who had been turned adrift on the world without any lof completing his time. His blood ran cold at the
provision or any chance of employment.—(iipplause.) recollection of the intrepid and daring enterprises of
-Lieutenant Gorden (the Secretary) had found 18 those men who were now abandoned.—( /leer, hear!)
men in one place, pretending to he seamen. They —lle was most deeply affected for those on whom
were in the greatest distress. All these proved to the liberties of Britain did depend, and must still de.
be really seamen. He had on another occasion found pend, if all the Powers of Europe conspired against
80 objects of the pity of all who saw them. All these them. Why were not soldiers in the same dis-
Mem seamen, some of them petty officers, and many tress ?—They Claw none of them on the streets.— I
had served 21 years. He mentioned to one who had There was none there to answer any such questions.
been a petty officer, that the chances were a thou- It was the duty of one of the Lords of the Admi.
deed to one that he was not a sailor. He admitted it, ratty to attend for the relied the unhappy tars who
Sal be proved by the completest evidence that he bad bad so bravely fought for them.—(Here his Lord.
been what he represented himself; yet being ragged ship was- affected almost to tears.)—Why was there
he was refused employment wherever he applied.— no Junior Lord, no Deputy, or Depety's Deputy ?
There were places where they got shelter for a night Ile would give 10001. die to him for prise•money
for 24. Those who could afford it paid this for it, —(Greco applause)—if Government paid it to him.
others were teen lying in the fields. Two or three No effectual relief could be afforded without the sa-
lted previously died of want, and last Friday night absentee of Government. The taus bad so fettered
- one was thringn out upon the street from a place commerce, that there was not the.demsnd for sailors
where he had paid all he bad, and soon afterwards that should otherwise have employed them all. The
died (hear, hear, hear!) another was starved to timber, the cordage—(Q4estiou, question)—were
death five weeks since ; another but three weeks ego. taxed.—(Soon hisses.)—lle meant merely to say,
Mr. keenest felt it incumbent on him, as one of that means of employment were suppressed by tan-
those who had called together the Meeting, to de- tion. Ile had now only to give the little he could
loud himself and others against the charge of having afford (five guineas).. The Noble Lord was loudly
done so unnecessarily. A Worthy Alderman (Sir cheered as he sat down.
James Shaw) had stated, that Ministers and the Ma- Mr. MACAUL4Y expressed much satisfaction that
gistrates of this city could effect ell the objects of 1 the assistance of the Admiralty would be obtained.
this Meeting- this was impracticable. There were' As a Central Committee was necessary, be thought
Mich insuperablei difficulties in making the intentions the Magistrates were the most proper persons, as dray
elf Ministers available for the rout mole, and I !erg se. aucb connected with city Wiliness and sec.

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11 Wisest which Was within the competent* of the
IV to grant, be Wes confident it *mild bo.es.
•-tt. He hoped the Noble Lord who had fa.
wowed the Meeting with his sentiments would give
mitialance to the Committee. No man was batter
seallfied than be we, to distinguish between real and
*sellois;and to prevent the Committee from
being imposed on. With regard to what the Noble
bard bad dallied tot respecting the soldiers, be could
assort his •Lordship that he bad seen soldiers begging
in the streets; bet be should be glad to know what
had been done for the soldiers by the Government,
in preference to the sailors? lie believed the Noble
lord could not point out any improper distinction
shot isedlbeen made between the two services. But
still he hoped that his Lordship 'would attend the
Committee, *wit ifford them .the advatitage of his
practical knowledge.:
Lord Cocanatc,Apt4illtesion to that had fallen
from Mr. Stephen, said'thittlaisitlemen had titian-
derstood him. lie had not cosnpleiped, of the dif-
ference with regard to pensions, for in facktbat was
not the chief .cause of the great number of isliora
being found begging in comparison with soldiers.—
The circumsiatsce of the army being maintained on a
large war establishment, while the navy was entire•
ly paid oil; was of itself sufficient to accoutit for the
disparity.
After this explanation, Lord Coeltrane Lett the

the
.Pitch
of the Minister of Marine, in defence-of the Project.
Several Orators who bad irtscrlhed their Daunts
hating renounced their right of speaking; the discos.
Sionnswas closed.
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. The Amendments proposed were ten, the first to
insert in the Law an additional article; the second
• to limit its (titration to the Ist March;
These two Amendments were got rid of by Am
previois qoestion. On the scrutiny respectineffist
second Amendment, the nembere•were—for the pre-
vious question 86, against it '73. .
On the scrutiny 'of the Project, 105 oat of Ib7
voted for its adoption; which was consequentfrprit-
claimed.
Adjourned no day filed for the next Sitting..
CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, Dec.r. •
The Bureaus, again assembled for the preparatory
eirminatioa of the Budget. The 3d and 7th Bereave
Neve appointed their .Committee-men .for the Central
. raittee.
Tliedesth of M. Net de &Sure, one of the Vice..
Ireesidenti, wet annoinced, and the Chamber ap.
pointed by ballot iudloition of 12 Members to at-
tend, his funeral. ... ' .:: .
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The Gazelle of Genera annotinies the death; 'at
Lisbon, of the Baron Onatele, Favinev•General of
Tobacco, who 'has left property to the amount. of
16,0130,000 florins. According to •the directions of
his will, his coffin is to be covered with gold-, And .. ,
fastened with a golden tack,- the key of which) also
of gold, has been deliveredio his neat of kin.
IVe learn from Vienna, that Jerome' Bonaparte
had requested permission to proceed to• Trieste ; but
which had been refused him on scconnt.ef his break.
ill his promise when there in 1814. .
The Duke of Wellington will, it hi said, set out
on Monday nest for Cambray. Ms Grace will re-
turn to this capital in March.--[Another Paper says
the 20th of January.] •
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Monday evening there was an assemblage of all
the Russian' of distinction now it Paris, at the Hotel
of Sir Charles Stuart. The Count Pelmets, the Si.
cilia. Ambassador, was also present.
Madams Manson has decided on pleading her own
cause. '"
The Journal de Rome states, that according to an
Official Census, the total popolistism of the Poutificel
Steles is 2,125,2%2, including .the popnlation of the
City and Conway's of Rome, amounting to 211,499.
VrvirsA, Dec 19.—'1'Ms Government, in order
to, open to the produce of Aquaria an outlet by the
Adriatic Sea to the United States of America, has
issued orders to the Berne Charles de Simmer to
proceed to Philadelphia, as Austrian Consol•Generai.
His appointments are used at '24,000 francs in specie,
besides a personal solar, of 12,000 francs, and 10,00.0
(limos for an outfit.
Pascut, DEC. 16.—The report of en assemblage
of Sovereigns 'test summer is altogether discredited.
Iltova, DEC. 25.—A courier has arrived here
from Rome with dispatches. Lucien. Boonaparte
had not quitted that-capital, as reported in the Eng..
kJ; Journals.

Meeting;
A Gentleman wished k to be underttood, that in
ease any sarplaa of the subscription remained after
the purposes of this Meeting should he accomplished,
that such surplus should be added to the funds of the
Meeting for relieving the general mendicity of the
metropolis.
Mr. Rowcworr observed, that the only question
now before the Meeting was the motion for openings
subscription. The present was not • fit occasion for
details: but every communication which Gentlemen
might choose to make to the Committee, whether
verbally or ,e writing, would receive full considera-
tion. With respect to the City, there was no doubt
of the Magistrates doing their duty ; but pieces
without the City, where the Magistrates harl no ju-
risdiction, were those to which the attention of the
Committee ought to be directed. The parish in which
he resided Itsd no less than 1,000 extra paupers,
while the workhouse was filled. The number of un-
inhabited houses in some parishes rendered the rates
•ery high. it was fortunate, in his opinion, that a
single object had in the first place been taken up by
the present Meeting. The Government would he
prompted—if it were possible that they needed to he
prompted—by the proceedings of the Committee to
do something for the sailors.
The Motion for opening a Subscription was then
put, and unanimously carried.
Mr. Rowcnolr stated a fact which he thought it
right the Meeting should be informed of, riamrly,
that there are already 39,000 seamen on the books of

Greenwich Hospital.
A Motion was made for adding the name of Lotd
Cochrane to the Committee, which was agreed to.
Thanks were then Toted to Mr. Wilberforce, for
his condaet in the Chair, and the Meeting broke op.

lIAMBURGII

Ilday at the Public Odkn.

HANAU, Dec. 22.—According to accounts from
Frankfort, the deliberations about the measures
to be adopted against the Barbary Pirates are pur-
sued with the most laudable zeal. Representations
have been earnest' to the European Powers, particu-
larly the Maritime States. Wows has also been re-
ceived, that negociations had been opened between
the great European Powers on this subject, which
here carried on first at Loudon, and afterwards at
Paris, respecting the results of which no communi-
cation had been made to the Diet. Application to
the Porte do not promise much, but should not be
neglected. The bast would be the cruising of a com-
bined squadron of frigates of the different European
Powers in the seas infested by the pirates, and the
infliction of the severest corporal punishment on such
as were taken, and the destruction of their vessels.
Their piracies are become more audacious-than ever.
The honour of Germany demand speedy measures :
• squadron of six frigates, and as many brigs would
be able to keep them in check. The Consul's in Bar-
bary must be instructed to give no mose passes.
EXTRACT OP A LETTER FROM ITALY, DEC. 15.
" The Hanoverian Consul in Genoa has given
notice, that the vessels under the English Hanoverian
flags have nothing to fear from the pirates in the
Mediterranean, being sufficiently secured by firmans
from all molestation."
Hamburgh Exchange on London, 33.4.-33. 7.

THR STATESMAN.

LONDury :

TUESDAY, SANUAIIY 6, 111113.

Paris Papers to the 2d inst. have come to hand.--
The Chamber of Peers have adopted the Project of
the Law respecting the Journals, withostelteretiont,
by a majority of 105 to 52, and a Royil 4;#111104:11
has been issued passing it into an operatife It
prohibits the appearance dell political works, with-
out special authority of the King, until the end of
the Session 1818 Two amendments were.proposed
—one to the effect of adding a new article to the
Law, and the other for limiting its devotion to the
1,,t of March nest, but both were lost by the print.
ous question. The Chamber of Deputies wee been
privately occupied with the elimination of the Bud•
get, and the Project of the law for Keewatin' the
Army. No public Sitting was espectedrto take place .
till Saturday. The King has placed at the.dispossk,:.,'i
of the Prefect of the Department of the Rhone
150,000 francs for the relief of the labouriqgClasses
in that department. The Doke of WELLINGTON
had a private audience of the King on Tuesday last.
His Grace watt expected to leave Paris yesterday fer
Cambray. The Duke, it appears, is to return to
the French capital, hut the Papers differ Os to tho
period, some of them filing it on the 20th inst. and
others in March nest.
The Austrian Government appears to be mekieg
arraugemeats fur the purpose of.opening and extend-
ing a commerce with the United States of America.— .
Consklerahle changes are stated to be in coatempla
Lion at Vienna, with regard to the Administration.
Each department is to be placed under the coetroul
of a Minister of State, instead of Antic Chamber', or
Royal Courts. In the provinces, it is added, that,
Assemblies of S saes are to be established. Jeaossa
BONAPARTE, it is said, had requested permission yr
the Austrian Government to be allowed to proceed
to Trieste, but had been refused.
The Intelligence from Madrid is caries!, and shows
that the Government is awake to its emergencies.
The Decree for raising 18,000 teen sonssally for foal
years is of the most rigid description,. fry of the so-
tient ordinances of gumption being observed Owl this
occasion. The Nobles Utast ballot, sod serve

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Aki' crat49 4 swam& the discutsron on the. ojrct respecting the
competitor* et the to,,raLtvillattOd• t ‘
lent it would ho.ask. our--baar.Speleri_
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