The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-02-23 00:00:00

THE STA.T

sin Ito be told, and will Use Jlngislabsre be told.,
that it is reasonable to burden the Privy Pers. with
one species of espencie, bet that it is infainnes to
'holden it with soothes ? Bet it will be mid, that
liiii terms of the law are prospective. Net at all.
Tim sating. of the 51st of the sin are wade ass -,
MO ht it,is Act of the Yttl. By the Act of the 32d,
!gift she soma of 18,0001, e.yeer, nod the quarterly
persists .P 49001., the threes, if any, was to be
paid ever to the Commissioners, and Parliament tie•
ver toles its dominion over it—it is so strict, that it
expressly enacts, that in case the Commissio
shook! anOW a larger sum to be impended than
allowed by the Act, tiked: weld repay the same
c
of their own property.'!; . was hen he said, enter'i
that Parliament new ito the COODMilliio I
doiiiinion over the Privy porn—that they had no "
therity over it. The meanie` of the Legislature il
clear—that they intruded that the reasonable rt.
pence' of his Majesty should be paid oat of the Privy
Purse—that all his trouts slimed be sappliiid—bet
when the country •had done this, that here the es•
peaces would be limited, and that PO attempt would
be made to make up a purse, not for the use of his
Majesty--not for his support ;, bet to lease it to
God knows who. What, be a4ted, was this saving
meant for? Why merely to be put in the pocket
'of the surceases to the King. And was this, be
asked, reasonable rewinds the country ? The mote
unreasonable it must appear when it is recollected,
that et this moment there are two privy purses este.
klialied—the one for the King, the other for the
Prince Repot. Wheat the custody of the Royal
Person was proposed to be given to his Royal High-
ness the Duke of York, and if for this his Royal
Highness was to receive 10,0001. a 'ear, was it, be
asked, unreasonable to have this sem charged on the
Privy Porn ?—wes it caroasoosble to take from tie
surplus of this feed the espences Named in the
custody of the Royal Person? The Noble Lord
had caked, is *bat iestaisce would a coarse sock as
was recommooded by him (Mr. Tierney) be pars
seed ? To this he would say, it many iostsoces-41'
Court of Eqeity would act so. If &Committee 511$
to be appoiuted by a Court of Equity, the espeaces of
the Coen would be paid out of the property of tke
person placed ender the care of the Committee.--
He asked whether this principle was dented? If it
was not dialed, there could be uo difference between
him sod the Noble Lord. Uit was, he would mane
as Amendment.-11Ieig tie Right lies. Geologies
stated Isie Amendment, Which was in 'tastiness:—
not the 10,0001.1 fere
,peopmied to be paid to the
Duke of York, 0 IGerpkr colt his Majesty's Person,
instead of being pith Olt of the Public Fend., should
be charged on the'Privy Poria.l—We are, said the
Right Hon. Geetkinen, at issue on this point. I
agree with the Noble Lord that the (Ammeter of the
sew Pettiest:et wNI, in a greet &gem, be jedged by
the dairies 1:, this night. Every tbiokieg man in
thi country—every man who cherishes the feelings
of loyally, would willingly contribute to the care
and the cesercirts of his 'Bitted Sovereign. Bet
there Is soother duty, a defy not less sacred and
eel less imperative—the duty they owed to the
Public: they were booed to watch ever the Paddle
money—to mitosis the eacess of prodigal sod ea.
feeling Ministers. They would not ha hoped, in
this wise and virtuous course, shrink fret* the 'eel
potation of beams, that would be throw. upon
them—bow list chirp mien be retorted, and o
whew It would fell, he would let other people fi
eat. Ile (Mr. Tierorry) believed that the No
Lord sass driven by .me irresistible necessity toe
tate rile subject—he believed he undertook it witli
great relict: one, sod he (Mr. Tiereey) would say.;
that however unpopular It might be, be would havei
like's the middle path—end if be saw of 10,000 L
e.year was placed on the Privy Purse, instead of del
Chit List, he would make but little obj•ctions tolls
Al for the Royal Doke, be felt, he said, for MI
'siltation ; he lamented to see Alm dragged by the in-
jedielnes coodect of Ministers before the Boom—,
Indeed the conduct of Ministers towards the model
hers of the Royal Family was much to he lamented
—they had dragged them all before the Hoes*, own
after another, clue day insisting on clainas,aud ages
tier day abandooing them. This was not the way le
treat the sacred character of the Royal Family. The
Minister had his officiate preserve, bet they bad what
to them was blanket, higher, they had character—
iand that character he teas sorry to see brought ho
often into disrepute by the conduct of Ministers.—
' Ile (M r. Tierney) believed that his Royal Highness
did not wish so agitate this subject ; be verily be.
Hewed be never applied for this grant of 10,001.
He could not but think that the attack of Minoister.
was a cruel return for the liberal generosity of the
' country. See what the Parliament already granted
—they allowed 60,0001. a year to his Majesty; the
`Duchy of lAncaster amogoted to 10,0001., that was
I 70,0001.; the savings of the Privy Purse since 1810
' summated to 37,0001., end then there was the heavy
establishment of his Royal Highness. But thosgh
the eeentry bore these burdens with petiole, mod
with fortitude, when they looked for this sum of
10,0001. • year to be paid out of the Privy Parse, the
proper source out of which it ought to come. it
was coiled infamous by Ministers.—[Hear, hear !]—
/le 'night feel warm en the occasion ; he would, be
said, wish to treat the 'object pith temper, bet when
he heard the language of the Noble Lord, he felt
indignant—he felt indignant to see new burdens
',laced on the People; and not only that, bat insult-
ed by the language of Ministers.
Mr. PEEL thought the propositinn of the Right
fide. Gentleman most en warrantable, the indelicacy
of which was redeemed by no adequate advantage.—
At the commencement of the present Mgt. 900,0001.
bad heel. voted fir. the Cull List. By the Acts of
rite 39th god 40th of the King, a Privy Petse heel
been recognised, and more fully by the Act of the
list ; hut an allowance of 60.0001. a year bad been
trcognisel by Parliament, even before the 39th and
40th of the Kiog. By Mr. Burke's Bill the Privy
Purse bad been recognised, and estimates of expo-
sition, directed to ti• made by tbe Treasury, by the
Act of 171 q. In 17925 Bill had passed that House,
by which the power of the Reggio, with respect to
the pr.r.te property of the King, was limited to the
renewal of leases. The Might Hoe. Gent. lad said,
why thrield not the remuneration of the Cede. be
taken oat of the Privy Pease as well as the pap:loot
of the medical Inert. Bet that charge was made pay-
able out of the Privy Parse, because it had been so

paid by No King. When Mr. Perceval Itad mimed
the appointment el a Secret Committee, the late Mr.
Sheridan and Mr. /dem destined to atteod,•nn
cc-
coast of the Indelicacy of enqnif ing into the prill%4
properly of the King—[/tear !] —end their condom
-had not been diupproved bf by any of their perry.
Slaty thnosind pounds bad been wholly absorbed by
the pmblic service, and titscmafet was to be paid by
ereesforring 10,0001. from the Dimity of Lancester
to
the Dukedoms of Vert, Omagh it had remained in the
Croatia Irma the time of Henry IV. The Right 1100.
Gentleman coodeded by welding the preamble Ist the
Act passed soon after the accession of the King, and
contrasting it wills the preamble that would be no-
emery shook, lie ameodment of Mr. 'limey be

adopted.
Mr. BANKES replied to the last speakeri sod
differed from the view take. by the Noble Lord..—
Tbe riaht of property geoid riot be et all affected by
Ilse proposed amendment ; nor use tlere soy room
to apprehend the spetiatioe of private property. --
The seat in question wee mach more than the *def.
tional expellee that woeld be Facetted by the Disko

of York.
Mr. WILMOT tbowitht the googlies wog not ono
of economy, bet of positive law, which ought not to
be violated.
Mr. MARTIN, of Galway, should vote for He
stint, snd in so doi•g he was confident he spoke the

Bens. of his Consilteents.
Mr. PROTHEROE gave his cordial moot to the
entoodment.
Mr. HUSKISSON observed, that et the beginoleg
of the Klog's reign the whole of the Civil List had
been at the disposal of the Crown • hot afterwards a
distinctionhad been made between ;he part opplicable
to the public strike and to the ettpentlitsre of the
TM old of the Royal Wigwag eve second
le none, bet that *Meta load also grown out of the
calamity which bad indosid Partiesloot to invest
soother of hie family withal& dirtily of Regent ; end
therefore it ought not 11 sill considered as a rival*
oilier. He vres..aeloolshill,.lhet Goottemoo meld
consider the Alto of Cosallitlowconnected with the
Windsor Establishment, when, is fart, the Doke of
York wash:thaw the abode cootroel of the Windsor
Establishment. •If it wee the pleasure of the Hone
to confer ao ambles* duty, they eight not to with-
hold from him a fair leatoweratien, bet sot oet of
property placed as mach est of their power es that of
any private hadiaidati whatever. U wet, let the
Doke of York have nothiog; bet let him preserve
his boomer sad let Parliament preserve its henoor
—[Good boomer,
slot interfering with that
which dill not belong to them.
Mr. lICME mid, the Right Hon. Gentleman bad
or pitied to the Hesse to puttee' the honour of the
Doke of York, nod he hoped they would, for It sac
idly his Majesty's Ministers who had celled his
Royal Highness's honour in question. By offering
Fills Royal Highness a remuneration, they were pot.
g Mm in the situation of any common keeper.—
(Qieslion ! Question! )—Ue was ileitis satisfied the
Doke of York would aosiously discherp his duty
without foe or reward. Re was willing to go amyl
length in remunerating the Duke; bat he could MR I
agree to wring from the herd cornier of an already
'beer-hardened people 10,0001. '.year. Nothing hod
'een said which at all controverted the arguments a
'lhe Right lien. Mover of the Amendment ; all that
'bed been said on the other side went on the principle
of pirate property.
Lord COMPTON agreed In the absolute rims*.
'Pity of economy In tea present state of the coanityi
but this was ore of the ruses in which be could od
epee. As long es this was a doubtful point, wide
the, it was trenching on private property or sot, h
was sore the Houle would not interfere for the petit,
saving of 10,0001. a year. Ihr thought they bled
now, is the unfortunate state of his fat ejesty, en op.
porrunity of matting their loyalty.
Mr. MA N4FIELD said he cork) not agree with
this vote, shier was against the pricipte of economy
intyros.d opon him by the distresses of the enamel,
ft oat mote nceseary to mark their desire of ecru's",
than their loyalty, which he believed bad saner ydt
been deetied.,—( Loud cheering.)
Mr. WILSON was not ashamed to vote against
popular opielon, If it dill not agree with his ten-
science, hat In this instance he most give his tote
for the amendment.
Aldermen WAITHMAN would not be afraid to
deliver his opinions en this subject, if it shoeld be
afterwards net:emery, bat he hoped it would be en-1
necessary, and that the gantlets would be decided''
that night. But if moved his indignation to hear,
that the Doke of York was willing to take the mo-
sey out of the pockets of so Impoverished People,
but not oat of the Privy Porte.
Mr. H. DAVIS spoke for the original motion. as
the inhabitants of Bristol, he was sere, would wil-
lingly support him is say steesury 'spencer for the
comfort of their Sovereign. He wield hats rather
toted for the whole Establishment, than hate seen
it disracefelly frittered down as it was.
A MEMBER, whose name we Could nelsons,
trelogired the dignified coadett of the Doke of Yetis,
in retiring from office doting the realest conspiracy
that ever assailed a man.
The sotArm)R.GEXERAL thought that, If
the Hoye adopted the aeretulaient of the Right. Hoe.
Gentleman, they would repeal all •the Acts of Par-
liament, regulating and fitting the Petty Purse to be
the private property of the King, and at his disposal
entirety. He contended that those enactments gave
not euty the power to the Kill of disposing of torsi
past savings of the Dell List, bet of the prospectivel
savior out of that Fund. The King might so far
recover from Ms malady, se to be able to reward his
old and tried servants not of their savings; and
world the !Inure il-prive bit Msjesty of that
fsotintt ? The Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney)
had argued. that as the Kin's Physleiairs were paid
coot of the Privy Purse, therefore the Grains ought to
be paid out of it also; bat the Cosies was a servant
of the Public, and ',tight to be paid differently trots
private persona. The case of the Duke of Yoe k cod
a Committee ace net at all parallel. The office of
the Duke of York is one of great public trust, be.
cause Parliament 'had no bailors, with the care of
the King's person as a private individual.--lie knew
of nothing which bad altered the quality of the Privy
Puree, which engirt jestify the House in applying that
to public *sea which was private property.
Mr. SCAILLErT catileude.i, that from Mr:

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Berke's Ant and the *there retil•iing Eta •moont,
ha. of rb.prity Pimp. It *as atident l'ltrtilatent
heel pouf nvin, 'bat ailowange.• liraWesrfati*R• Mil
Iwo talked .1; now he geoid is, IMP k tolrld Wit
isre been ii Me oontoloplakm.wf Prelliowera, **Oh
Mr. Borkes UM was passed, -skit tray mph,* 41r
sewings of the Privy Pomp week' sok* pea; It
had been aentemplaied, as iamb alio then far it
Lesold

hem 110118 his title so tic lbss sod the teen.
try. Tire AN sf Periworna which paned tiering the
King's fernier aloes, was • terntintery gl' best;
15,0001. to the object of Ms Mt§poy's bowl, ittU
which week' herr expired if the Jibes Ned receorerol
bas sethority. The Acts oi ter Miura* SIN IN
King closely showed let liarlionaNtl 'tidy ttoottetil
ever the Privy Petty, ioesetent Ma both atoll Ads
left thosesings Of the Privy PrreseeenttieritiottetWo
rresalafien, if the Hasse shook, Iblit N orerbahri.
Toe object el Ms ilightigiosseoreMwEsioheettosself..
'soot siba, mot to 4fielhaiiii Ihe stiselblet lbWPriMy
V.v.., bet to apply the surplus of irastte Me tech
Mee a highs/stowed et the einem iamb Mk whirr of
the Kayak Swearer fbarbe rod, sod MU cosellethitilt
0,11 • t this was priseteireoperty, he tie the lett
,ran to advise its beissamointi InpPnittunent.
Ibe SOLICUGOAXIINNIN4 f. oMploitietf, yid
, disoird that he heal atter emoted Parbeersit h.d not
Ike power lirefilso the pressideos of tiny Act of Pit..
Wawa.. • ~
The ATTORiNgIi.G MELO. pot. ind4ot IrtJdd
trip of s'Queatieso:" be spoke fee, Imes thee, het
the noise which Forfeited in the 1111sHe irreeteted stir
hestieg,• singieseeteeas.
Mr. S. WORTIoNt ilkunttit tire Noel aid
ed Goalies's (kirvidstrieti) hell tiolmliterwri.
mat .8 Wiser, earl titre tier g
N. person bed timaktd_t Sit rigla_t=ll:billt

*slew settee HosOandalsoarreetatOrestenvin swirted;
en she seettaty. 4b Wooer nod freqeWitly leghtelld
oti, and had been metal to gesrd
they had bees careful to Ws )4 not only as
the property ter this-Cwowni butts Ate property of
the King. sod be cosld not cosiecieniiposty sosment
'Viet the King's Ovate *preiperty lea appro.
primed fo the psyMist of a Constftwasinal (Mum
Mr. SCARI, elptelned.
The Centel Was then cleared, essid‘t if,
sif Question, 'lnd die Cementite* divided—
Far the ode mi Woties, For the rami nimeat,im-
-111,91#16, for !Hatters, SD
The Revelation veil then *greed fist Itheacesie
reported progress, sod °belayed 144 ia ois
IIT
title day.
• Mr. S. BOURNE Agee notice thitialleld, Ile
reefs um for ,llm to Vries in a to abenal
1. tae Poor
Lnvd CASTLICRP.AII/1 obtained test, to
!in s 13111 for tarrying into elect tie 'Treaty wish
Netherlands, reistiyo to the Slays Inids.—Adj
I ad at Half-pest One.
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This Jay 10 permit Mee hied,Star Star. AViii were eapdaflp
I coating', Wittliwo wig W. • awn* to ab• lan
Is she dwelliarlsoore of J. Hasillair IPA alealahr eara bag-
kerehlro I N. Ward, for stealing a .its. Me pyisperly
Kee* ; astd J. Davis, for amsoblag D. 'WoliftsW. 11.
highway, sod weolsog haw bi wail a patrol breeches
awl a waistcoat.
W. Jessie's eau Indicted for gigimg a itilaptlitidriar
to sod other combesiibles May CaMMll;Mstio
Mat) Ana I amuck. • cis* egokr Ipsoggeo.:
Mary :Cobden statee.,thst ire had kpallrp)tairer alletill
a Owtalght before the eraltsheti.w. She Cireoh-
padre metre to sell gasp. hely he 11, id*
oat her shier. sad he come fur three eammssop. teal, ssa Abe
: Irt retuned to eke *toe seder a pmesee of
stick. mid after be bad g ne, a reek Aram the r
wet eliAiria, and he was sold eat to, mar. aria .a.dritoa
thee after. he hruegin her a ball Of tist abide Isogglledomas-
: porkies seal. aed told It would mete a good Ore. and pride-
Infli horsed it iss their puritan, heownwit•pr AWN owlabott.
et Mini MAO tie slog Mew .101 hey hied farm * about
half • yard from the Oiwplaee. and spuk • ref shoot as big
gam ear. Idsoweidokty ehe pot lt to the deli; H Went a aim
a load report, sad eemmosicated to dim is the baskolomidthe
se lemma that greet off rhea. araire abilderm's clothes caught
the blare, aad the were takers is the I bropstaL Simms, her.
Ina week bong. owl the littleie caddie.," lose diell la la*
airliriwaiser. is his deriver, mM,be rood the witatroitiow
Itosiod. worm, la the Dread, and did itot koow what St
hruaall Illstislaoghter.
kg, was capitally hadieled for or*,
ham r;-bonne of his empluyers. Moors. (goorgt
iloart owl ibu diehard, statioorn, to tie "welsh of St,
Mwrliris.lW /tom, us the alt. a poekri.hoolt Ras lOC
their mower, *get book C0E1111,60/ s wootti!" of ink Ali
Kaglausst Protes.apd checks nn sillrect permits, betel the pre.
reify of Newest ediettogs, at Waliww.greeo.
hir. AM ire ilhoonapooe, before Miaow this wog hmeed,ablied
to the Jury, that there did sot appear to be valithrst ',Waage
, Is essniet tbe Petwater capitally ; they would, therefore. g
they Mews* him risky of Meg** tie pechetkosiek miowsielig
I its coVeslo. hod Wm palsy Of simple lams, awl", wbl they
immediately did.
espial@ k—, a Gehltielleill resisting at lboopstcad. was gr.
reigned at the lot, etwegod order laid hoewitaWs-lbat.
with basing fired at (sigh.* pistol) pr. 444114, Arloale *ilk
1 latest in kill hie. la agaseipwee it k MINI% "need dad
the pistol was loaded WlekdalkeistAL .adifollifel.

WONDERFUL PROEsTRIAN PBR.

FORMINGE.
•
We have in reseed eat of the awed pollnwho
Aka ewer Wore eteeemelhited.ie the Mowers sr lePre.taireete,
ate of Mr. Wei, d Bettethavt ream. livery. ajearte alas. is
yam', age, iv* feet via ladles is brie*. This pedetirlast.
vole he a deiceedeetet Wee. she gent welter 4a the days et
Poiret!, aa4 Clerk al OM Ilkiatfaar Cheryl, muted es bide,
mevsleg. is Kleekritais-reed. te *feria Iht jinn he 11
ede-
Arrire aeon. •• the GeMesiery mad. am& ee.eree tete Me
Meidetese nee a • • - 4 naismai
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Wait, Itaa Verret IJ,an. elle% tittailitee al K. areerowt
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l'riifro-iir Oostrie, of ibe K inks College or riot r rIY•
Oa Ihr l'hh hut .s futon, in the 734, sear of hi. :.le. -It
Porph ItAilehtre, *tart, at Mills it idle boost, ii,ar
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well for the watels, arbk4 was done es relhhat walked
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few of Ike Posey prides, task gs Iskiissesee owe hoe how
site as lna. lie dui seswethiaglese tbao-Tio tones is the kW
Refit Wen. wises be refreshed, asd step( wabile swirly o row
hours. he 14 hews ha hid is rasher war IS wiles. voids
soother bait at wally owe boon J esodborsi Nsh were
dos lee odes as Steer I she alaslewah beer, eWs kw
spiv took rest fee 10 ash eel k bad et sties so et:tem
to the Met seven knurl. la v-third sear Ow pedettliae
was seised st,tis sl%ln Iry were owl aware,
bas he Medalled Mill Ilona Mee lean as boar, we
wow, after his row had aerely tried. fie we la er
Lewisham es Someday mostsfeg, *Mae te.it.e • remelt et she
ewe time. were a desire ow la noodle's- le restore Isiw. He
brae accompanied by tkree weir," only.
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