The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-05-26 00:00:00

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'Catholic eollittflUttak :it bitty grounded. He
CI, it hi' duty to feliti:thi• same vote:
S'r J. ils.-ijiPrESEEY mode_a few. obseria-
Stag in etoranatlOn. •
Tie lieu. Mrs tAgaz Pitted his ;Mutely to express bit;
op ante: ypon.tbequeition; bellbytog its his conicience ns he'
did. tat tat; pervert in a rejeetteraliff aroseelaistil Must'
jar, itishly • lead' to the destr4ctioollAiko.envire. hifeer,
hear!) lio was partieularl s impelleti)o rise,fat that moment,
in ron:equeisceof certain oh-sere:Woos which had (+diet, from
the Right.flime. nod Lernmsed Judge t9Poir).• Greta as such
an opintou most bc considered, lie (Mr. L.) mita great defe-•
genre. PI: it nit duty to say, that the view that LeArned I
jail e 'wilt .of the question was, in his judgment, errinwoqs, I
Mach stress wail Aid by him on the instructions green by toet
Univeesite hi Oefdielto oppose the Catholic Petitimk Wheat
he,lseurd that well. oppmation was founded upon the tialWelll
of conce,iiin, fie was naturally induced to expect that slime-
laing in the swipe of, argument would be Set forth by Such a
loomed duly *Orions that there was, A Strong raise to stet-
'oets •I'olt ItY v'mocetlillgsAletrifoetst would fiplow lathe State.
If it as meant to_say., that there .ss,aq clangsr in having to
-/treat WfM iir.poktanf a tithnell of the B?itis.."Einplre Roman
Catholic. tilt -istai.irrel •in the aftspretwission ; nobody ever
deeded it I +het dime will• lost the question. The real point for,
tetisiderttion wits that havi.7g such a great pirtion of your
population CatholV, and tieing so, then-fire a source of
regret, was lite ammo to the genera! security of the Empire
N les lesserml by a Conti. u .nee of penal restriction: and disa-
Isilitit.:; ? (h ear. hear!) or, would the policy of COaCtS-
liiri 4,11 egewilivion augment such 'dagger? To say, that
the viiiitinlitc.. isf'stic h• re4trictio.s Lassoed the dander to the
tieitesusel Cstobsisantent, tiv promoting a gradual diminution.
of tt limn Catholics, was to assert. that which the history
of Ireland fully disproved.. Attached as he was to the mails=
*mor rind propagition of the Protestant doctrine. that
only tot it eie slims; to him, that the continuance of these
slisabilities Led to. the conversing of any portion of Ceiba-.
lies, and thoirgli strictly a friend to the most liberal principle.
of toteratioa, he slid not kilo w what sacrifices he would not
gnA.t..• to pureliase that hizttly desirable object. But when it
wig worse than idle to:expe..t such a state of things in Ire-
land—when it was considered what that country had already
paired for its religioui faith—when it wrr, cou.idered what
part England observed towards that country, acting. as It
. slid upon that-Very principle for acrid,. upon which Lagland
expe•:!el 4he Faintly of Stuart, namely, the endeavour to.
fume a neligjett, hostile to the tech.:es and wi.hes of the
greet mass ofthe pis.iple-[ffear, hear!] —placing over that
.veople, iseiegy which they considered heretical, and sub.
lectuig thenito a variety of oppressive enactments. Why. witb
'tacit t hings undeniable, was it oat proceeding ton far to say, that
a itatinii tints treated, was must perverse mil stitr necked In
• setting forth their claims for relief from galling and unneces-
sary restrictions? Siippasing the apprelicesiims of danger
`from the Catholic reliei.in in Ireland to he well futiti,:ed, was
it impede:lin it: perniconts inflavnee by a d.nsial of redress.?
Was it reasonable—was it human nature to assume that when
the ri..tht to enjoy and to till all the honourable situations
which pins iirtisni or justified ambition prompted men to seek
was allowed, that the consequence of such grant would he the
.oaoerainn by those poems of that very system and connec-
tion, from the existence of which they derived all their au-
thority, inrport,iice. and reptsci ?—f /Par, hear !I—llisalii-
lity *ever had and never would pruduce conversion. That
was the growth of a fir different course ; it required a long
mid tedioti, process, to be forwarded by conciliation. esta-
blish-len:I for education, and the general diffusion of know-
ktixe. Ewoi under such a kindly sysoan, the warcli of the
bantam saint was stow • mid above all subiects eron• that of
teliAions attachment. Tliere wits not anialividual who hear
. him more all% Wag ihAll he Wad for the ma i atenance of the Protes-
tont estalitishmeot in Irehuitior for the ri.pagatiunofthat pure
doctrine; hut he never could be iiminced to think that by a o ise,
Vilerant anti .:tineilin ting system to di ffereat re( igiouspermasions,
either itt, eml.rpapee was endangered, or its propitganuniin-
prdeit ter..: -,There. was tu.e remark of the Learned Judge
tFscotti •liiin ke,ltearii wit h tie little(! vee orsiu•orise and re-
gret.. 4 trar Ihe imps k.d censure awn) the English Catholics for
their acesieseetsv iti the Iris sfer of the Veto to the King,
the Leartrel. Judge.einteidtwileg•saeli a transfer incompatible
' scull tee religioa they professed.' of sacs doctrine as rind
. sirss to become current, wino was it bit to roake animal
;trill:W.ou impossible, a.ul.latitislic proscription eternal?—
' t the Iloilo: recollect whet soceihees irelatel hail made for
.-It lii isii connection, under the implied conapitet thattlione ex-
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aw.iiingitWll tae. ground of religion, were to cease. Let it
asstitnaie the coosequences of persevering denial to legitimate,
• elaiois upon a 'people of quick and gallaut feelings. Above
all, ii,er it direct its observation Iti-lhe state of the Continent
of
.Euraise; now consolidated. lino a **it-military mach*, i
Moving touler the cosemport,of.at single will—of the will of
-an ilidivitTinid,•whoncit ions iMpossible to contemplate w
4iiiicLaJe lweet.sien of Pipe stitioustiwpiseinst iog him sa
....sat those a wful visitations which, in obedience Its the .1
tables of of Previdence, were tometitnes made the Inv
mt
tarofesenecting some' great . and moose stows object.
With strips, wider such p. 'Hind, it was destruction to
the gamier tie Oolong the causes of its weakness and lisseeti
idly ; alpha tn3nnare 01030 causes none were pressing than
the euntigeauceef disabilities against the Irish people. 1
Sir WM. SCQI'T explained.,
Thellonoeralslo General MATTIIENTstated,
that Tie 'Stew% and conclusive conviction he co. 1
tertaittlit-upon this'great question, conk( nut stif."
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ter lontlert forego the opportunity of declaring to
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tbst liouse and to Ake Lmotee. his reasons tor tl;e
vote he should that .toglkt goad in favour of• the
emancipation of foir...nVlltosal of his countrymen.
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it was'lrst. 'his ihteuston te sa at any great length
into the Sohjectv,diseuiseil is it had been so sthly
in the two. speecitei of the Right Honourable
Mover and •thelitononrable gecottiler (Mr. Grit-
tali and Sir J. Ca Ilippesley). But. tio)ugh in the
assertion of the Claims of the Itish Catholics,'
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upon every ground of justice and of pulic,r, la
concurred with both, .he could not agree in colt.;
piing such an intrinsic . right with any condition,
such as the Veto, which that Body felt to be in.
compatible with the faith Which they professed,
and the discipline to which. for 'so many ;emu.
' ties they had steadfastly adhered. lie absolutely
would deny the truth, of these grounds, -upon
which a surrender of their religious disciolli was
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asked. The Irish Catholics sever had any other ap, 1
tercourse with foreign powers orpotentates, but the'
mere acknowledgment of the'spi ritual power of the
Pope, and, therefore, to dotty, at tbacday, their ti-
tle to the rights of freemen, and to the blessings of
constitutional liberty, through the apprehension of
their religion leading them to an intercourse with
hostile countries, was nothing less than recalling
into baneful operation .all 'those calumnies and
misrepresentations, which were so profusely cir.
ciliated by those numerous libellers of Ireland,
froni Sir John Davis, Cot, &c. down 'to those
of a more recent period. Ha/leg thonght it'
necessary to state thus much as to the reconnnen-
datiiin of the veto, he would next advert to the'
great• question itself. The great and prevalent
delusitot was, that by its opposers it was cousi.
tiered only as a Catholic cause. It was not so
limited ; the dangers of the empire made it a Pro:'
testant one; neither was it a danger unfelt by the;
Irish Protestants, inasmuch as he was firmly'
persuaded than site-tenths of that body in Ireland
were impressed with the paramount necessity of
Catholic concession. [Mar ! hear !]. Such a
persuasion did not Pest upoo surmise. Tito great
Protestant Landholders had declared their opi—
!lions in its favour. But Vital as its adop-
tion was to the safety of Ireland, it Was not less
so to the sorority of England—slot Only of Eng.
land he would say, bat of Europe. For upon the
strength and security of the British Empire, de.
pended the hope of recovery to the subjugated
nations of the Continent. It therefore hehoted
that House, if the claims of Ireland were of no
value in its consideration, to reflect that, by their
disregard, it risqued the safety of Great liritaiu.
Lf the system of cruelty, tyranny, and oppression