The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-04-10 00:00:00

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‘‘• 'nl' I•;,1 observed, that there were
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ter:viten', i.e. the examil H atien of u
50.,.1:„.s by Olt !louse; and he maintained
a• i:fe ieterroe itery ouster discussion related to a
jot
.if such i:upertance as demanded the fullest
:nee /aelicillerly respecting the NVarrant.
`O:3 it was recollected that %Vest:Muster had been
many days in a state: of tumult and commit).
,Jr _,he'' same of the King's subjects had been
&lite —end whenthis was alleged to result
mamas not having done their silitty, could
ieetoteliel that suet a case did net call for
ee in every querter in e !nett information
;%1 h.: 111.1 ? Notwithstandieg the ,cualident tulle
!a the Gentlemen on the other side un late
%lilt respect te the Speaker's warrant, it
r,,, appeared that Into ee Saturday evening last
o„(e.ellemen, withthe First (..,rd of the Tree-
cry at Ceeir heed, I hoisgh t it necessary to put a
o,stem to the Attorney General as to tee ',flue
;Ithi"%atrant [-V°, nos no, (,n 111,1 Treumry
gocil• lie a/int:eke% to the recellecti,ni of tee
ewes this subject. Bee 111::Ca.r.t.t wOOll
hilly explained by .the ;viewer which his
„astirit ;lad in view. Ito would, dela:AT,
i'res it ; and lie trusted• the Botts! would decide
~.,n the propriety Of seeking evert. pessilde in.
or„,fee; a, to the conduct of our Government in
sick ils.isSPeots%*:illllCS.
deoi:til their Mieisters put any
oce;„„ re his Learned Friend as to the validity of
1,,.; sweet, and therefore the Ilenoureble Gen.
eerie etas under a mistake. Ile begged to say,
oral reee te.feeit had no doubt of the legality of
thcSdeilt,e's 11'arrant ; but ia consequence of the
deihts existing in the mind of the Serjeant at Arms,
0, tit sG, leotity of bietking open the outer door
sf S:r Francis Bettlea, ie order• to execute that.
WM' MO, it WAS deemed expedient to refer the
retion to the consideration of. his Learned
F,ieml, and tipun this question ,aluite he was con-
suited. •
Mr. IV arBiLEA O said, that in mentioning:
tie sable the ‘Varrant, he meant the extent
%litchi! could go—that is, the puwer of ex.:cutiag
it e:f its boast el omnipotence.
ale it. DUN exereseed his astonishment
st heariee, and from the quarter iropesite, that
G,iverituteat should be cum geeble
with any blame fur not interposing Inter each°.
rev, a mandate to direct or contrein the conduct
of an Officer of that House. The reference to
tleiepiiiion of the Attorney-General was, he ob.
sated, with a view to solve bottle doubts which
hail boot put into the head of the S.trjeant at,
Anus, nut by any of. the Ministers, but by some
Mieistrates and others.
After a few more observations from Mr. Whit.
brad and the ChineVor of the Evatiipier, the
latter withdrew his objection to the exathination of
the Atterney General ; and the Learned Gentle-
man stated in reply to Mr. W.'s queetioe,:that on
Friday morning—on recollection he begged to sey,
halite:ay, he attended the Cabinet Council, and
being called upon for his opinion as to the legality
of breaking °nth WC/titer deur of Sir Francis
Burdeti's home, • its -urger to execute the Speak-
er's warratat, ,ho requeeted time tit. cotusider it.
Ile felt it to be quite a new question, and licits:Oil:
acquaie:ed with Any case ia. which such a didiculty
arose in the elude of eiectiting eiteti a warrant, he
bad no precedent to refer to ; brit reasuning from
arialo,y as to other warrants, tire tendency or Ili*
Iditiio:l was, that the door aright to be brute opeti
fur the purpose of executing this warrant. This
itifpres•ion was 'the result of the best consideratioa
which he canial give re t! ~e case, and -therefore lie
telt! the Scrjeaut at Arms that he would be justified
it: breaking uprn the door:. But nt.tlitt wile time,
he stated
.that he could give _no decided opinion ;
at: far, however, as f;rorlion went, which was
greunded•not upon altiltprity,, but reasuning, be
Eseaget the door migliebe.'brekeopen.
Q. (By hlri-Wasereaten)
,ll.sve you stated
all tea passed 114ha,Cttaieeil upon the subject of
this %sealant ! A. I also eteted to the Serjeant at
Arms the. consequetiCese of 'so eieruting the war.
taut if not justiaetfittlavi. If a conflict were to
ens to from Which any .death should follow', I °b-
hared, that theSerjeatit would or would not be
jestifitel according as the mode Lime described of
executing the warrant sbetuld be deemed legal or.
illegal ; and I think t also stated, that if any .
thin.; should happen to the Serjeaut himself, it
must dewed itnpun the legality or illegality of the
suede of executing the warrant, Whether a:ly per-
son should be criminally reiptinsible for the cut;
segeences-: • •
Mr. WHIT 'MEAD observed, that if the
House were now in poesessioe of all the infurina;
tem desired upon this subject, he would move to
have the Minutes of the Es itleece printed.
A Member whoin•we did not know moved, that
the Messenger who, accompanied the S.ejeasit at
Arai, to Sir Francis Burdett's !muse en Friday
Bight, should be called in and examined.
Another Mornher, whose Hattie we imilerstood
to be JACOB, in rising to second ;his motion, ,
tent occasion to übserve, that the inquiry should
take a wider range than Gentlemen appeared to
have in contemplation. The object of all the
intereegateries eeemetl. to be to criminate the Ser-
iota at Arms, the Ministers, or the Prisoner,
rid fur this fourroso only one witness was CX3.
Nottiiil4 had as yet been gone into to at.'
feet the criteinality of the prisoner, or to expose
ally of Ins secret advisers, whether Members of
that House or nut [ef loud cry of Name, name].
Ile only meant to suggest tne propriety of ex,
lording inquiry upon tills subject, in order to as.,
eerfaiii whether any Member of that House, or
who had recently advised Sir F. Burdett to resist
the authority of the Speaker'.s Warrant. It ap-
peared to Wen that the [louse had at. least as much
right to cart upon any Nlenther to violate his eon-
ceteisels with Sir Feiticis Verdett, as. it
ltd to rail upon the Law Officer Alt the Crown to
/61 Ile hie cure:l:alio:la with the King's Cabinet.
L JOAN CAV imie to (sitter. • He-
teg
"g";'.."J the honourable ,Mother to be .tplite.
w.ctuer
from the qeestiose kirokeerly before the
house.
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The Honourable Member • resumed, ana—ob-*
served, Oat he was not di pose) to believe that
there were any of the secret advisers of Sir Fran.
cis Burdett's conduct among the Members of that
lluuse. The declaration, indeed, of one lid.
nouroble Member (Sir S. Romilly) this ni4lit,
whom the newspapers set down among the advisers
of Sir Francis Burdett, justified this disbelief.—
But still he must say, if it appeared that there
were among the Members of that House any se-
cret advisers of this Honourable Baronet, he saw
nothing inconsistent or inappropriate to the pur-
poses of this inquiry, to call upon such Gentle-
men fur an explanation or their advice and too-

tires.
Mr. ‘vitamtEno begged to submit a few
ohiervations upon the insinuation of the Hon.
Gen:le nail, which was certaialy by no means dark
or tbilieult to he understood. The lion. Gent.
conclud.al, he mu.t say, not very liberally, that
any private advice given to Sir Francis Burdett,
on his late proceedings, was bad. N'JW he !lappet's,
cd to have his own name set down in, thu newspaa
pets, not as among the advisers, but as among the
visit irs of Sir Francis Burdett ; and he herd it
would not be deemed less honourable in him tu-
avow, that he was one of the visitors of the Hone
Baronet, than it Was in his Learned f riend near
hint (Sir S. Remaly) to correct the erronesaue.
mention of his name. lie had certainly never vi.
sited Sir F. B. b.ifure, nor ever dined at his house, ii
but once some years ago. But sit Saturday evea:
ing lase he was induced to visit the Ron. Baronet,
in compaity with another Member of.that House,
who was better acquainted with the Honourable
Baronet, and he did state such considerations to
the honourable Baronet as he thought would
have Had an influelice upon his mind. He men-
tiwied by pothetieally what he himself would hive
done under similar circumstances. In order to
avert time consequences likely to follow to the
(King's subjects, he discussed the !hie of conduct
which he himself would have thought it advise.
ii:ile to pursue, even actinanpou the Honourable
Baronet's own principles, and he must say., that
he was received nit!' the utmost possible atten-
tian ; • that the Honourable Baronet very po-
litely attended to every observation he made.
The advice which he offered to the Honour-
able Baronet was not 'secret, but in the open
day : and he would appeal to the candour of the
House, whether, if even secret, it was therefore to
be deemed bad. He fel: that he had done his duty
in 'calling upon the Honourable Baronet, and of-
fering the advice he did. In making that call he
was acting in compliance with the earnest sulicita,
titl's oTi friend, and he 'certainly felt that far from
*doing evil, lie Wit) likely to promote what he cou.
ceived a very desirable good.
Mr. JACOB disclaimed any parsbnal allusion)
hisubservariou being confined to an if, relative to
auy MeMbers of that House being among the se-
cret advisers of Sir Francis Burdett.—[A'geweral
•cry on the Opposition Tenches of name! "asset]
Mr..I)OSS,ONIiY said, that whatevet were
the prefessious of the illneOurable Gentleman,
there could be lade doubt, that the' manner and
Jeportmeat of that Honourable Gentleman- in the
tonne of his speech was most unfortunate, if they
were meant to svcond the construction which that
Cent;einau wished to have put upon his words.s--,
ile (Mr. Ponso"uby) Would confidently appeal to
the noose, amid ask, if there was one more within
'it's walls, who would takeupon him to declare, up.
on his honour, that he did not believe that the.flon.
Gent. Meant to affix a charge of giving secret and
bad advice to Sir F. Burdett, upon some Member
of that liouse [(kern And what could have
been Meant by such an imputation ? Re did
not hesitate to say, that it was an imputation that
could not too speedily be retracted—Wear,
hear!) By what privilege did that Gentleman as.
some to himself the right of throwing out at ran-
dom groundless aspersions against the motives •of
other Members, in what they believed to be the
conscientious discharge of their duty ? Wheu tee
Han. Gentleman made the c,harge lie did, he was
called upon to name the objects of Ins charge.
He did not do so; and in not doing so, the Ho.
sourablia Gentleman ievolved himself in the em-.
barrassinent, either of making charges which .he
could not, or would notatipport. lle would advise
that Honourable Gentleman to be more cautious
for the future, and not to deal out conjectural in-
vective against men as undeserving of such attacks
as any that could make them. [!tear, hear !]
A Member (whose name we could not learn)
viedicated, in a few words, the propriety of Mr.
Jacob's observations.
Mr. SECRETARY RYDER stated, that the
least part of the motives which then influenced
him to rise, was that of vindicating his Majesty's
'Ministers from the attack that . had been made
twin tirein. His principal object was rather to
vindicate the privileges of that House, which had
been so grossly trampled upon. The Serjeant at
Arms had been described as the agent of Minis..
ters. How did that appear? Not surely in the
obedience of that Officer to the suggestions of the
Ministers. He (Mr. Ryder) admitted, that his
situation, for the last four days at least, was a
most responsible satiation—[/tear, hear l] re-
sponsible as • that situation was) and humbly cal-
culated as ho was to fulfil its duties, still he would
contend for it that there was no deficiency on
the part of the Ministers. Moen had been
said of what the Government had omitted to
do ; but he would contend for it, that had
the Government not done what it had done,"
the mischief might have been incalculably greater
[ Hear t] But Ministers had been asked why
they did not do on Friday what had been at length
alone on tine Monday following? In answer to
'that.quesiion lie would 'say, that it was not the
,Ssart of the Executive Govcrumeut to take from.
:the House of Commons the right of enforcing its
.
Own order. Ai far as the Executive power was
concerned in assisting in carrying into effect a legal
warrant, so far the aid of the Executive Power
was not wanting. • The Civil and Military Pow
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