The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-06-15 00:00:00

in Ireland, it appeared to him, that wbileit gave 01640 .
freeholder no real advantages it gave rise to almost all,
the evils with whirs he %RS surrounded. Such a planes
he had described had bees introduced into the other house
last night by a Right Hon. Friend of his, and he felt'
it oeceuary to state that this was not the oily plats
which was in contemplation by the Irish Clovernsawete-;
There was also a measure in progress for establieblMest
efficient police, to which be was aware that many
tient had been m .de. He was, however, convinced of
its uecessity, and looked forward with confidence to its
practical results. He should not enter into further die.
cassia's upon its merits, as it would in due fiascoes* Yes
gularly before their Lordships consideration. iffiebli
ged to thank the Noble Marquees for the etaetter te
which he bad brought forward the subject. and be could
not stiffer this question to go to a divisien, without say-
ing a few words upon the conduct the Noble Lord at the
head of the Irish Oovernment. Since he had so *dean-
tageonslv filled that high office, a part of his time lead
nabenpily been interrupted by indisposition; but still
he had applied the whole force of his great wand to the
taw/Moos whioh this motion involved. He was, per-
taps, the last man in the world who would pat his hind
to a hasty or precipitate measure; but when he had duly
weighed the evils which demanded a remedy, and the
cons, quencesof applying an efficient one—when he had
metered his opinion, and satisfied his mind that it was
well founded and jnst, no man would be readier to carry
it into effect with firmness and decision. That Noble
Personage was well known to have great rapacity ; but
besides that capacity, he had the strongest attachment
for his country. It was there that be distinguished him-
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;elf. He bad-retutned to it now for the first time sincr
that period, and his acknowledged desire was, that the
last act of his political life might be one which should
ley the foundation of its future happiness. Without
meaning the slightest disrespect to the Noble Marquess,
and solely fur the reasons he had assigned, he should
beg leave to move the previous question.--(llcar.)
The Earl trf -LI ..lERICK expressed Isis surprise
that the Noble Earl should have opposed the resolu-
tion as being unnecessary, because he considered the
statement of the Noble Marquess to place its necessity
beyond doubt. If the attention of Parliament were
not directed to ihe subject, be thought the cense-
qnenees would be most lamentable. He believed a
rustimntation of ...thee to be practicable by the plan
proposed by the Noble Marquess. He should oppose
the plan for turliog the property of the land respon-
sible to the ('hnreli.
The LORI) CHANCELLOR said that those who were
the objects of the administration of justice in Ireland
found no reason to complain of it, as was evident by the
comparatively few appeals made to that House. lie had
lately been examining into the number of appeals which
remain-A to be disposed of. and had calculsted the days
they would 4:recopy, should their Lordships he pleased to
o (wre that the Lunl ('haucellor sat constantly to Bear
them. For throe of England, Ireland, and Wales it
wont,' require fifty days. Eut those of his frieuds the
Scotch would require 490 days.—(A laugh.)—With re-
E. to the Magistcley in Ireland, lie seas convinced
irt that t
galoornaen:ll orzeestitdoe ft 111 gri
eN7ohrl etblr.meoerdnis
ohnetillias‘li.nalith)eutvheaimr
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. f thee should hear no further complaints. He bail never
before heard the ti hes described as taxes and imposts
ellen the people. Another Noble Lord had also talked
of interference with the property of the church. Ile
would tell that Noble Lord that he had no more right to
interfere with that property, than be (the Lord Chan-
cellor) bad to interfere with the Noble Lord's nine-
tenths.
Elie Marquess of DOWNSHIRE confessed that he
had been disheartened at hearing the Noble Earl oppose
tine resolution. lie thought, however, it would abew to
the people of Ireland that their Lordships' hoose, as well
as the Irish Ouvernineett, were considering of remedies
to correct the evils of the system of vrlticia they com-
plained. If the police plan were adopted, he knew that
some Magistrates of high honour, and who insforuied
great services to the part of the coitnty in which they re-
silica, would retire in disgust. Vie entirely and heartily
cone, rool in the motion of emits Noble Magpies% and
Iwgegol as a landed propriroor to return him his thanks
for the manner and tlisefiuie in which he had bronett it
forward.
• The Earl of DOtIOUGHSIORE eulogised the charac-
ter of the Mateess Wellesley, and cap d his cowrie-
tior that the eneasnre in progress in the other house, to
which lie Vail a decided objection, did not originate
with tboi Illustrious Individual. He did not think time
hselv et been givenliitu, and whenever his measures were
oretiired, they would be measures of a great mind, and
adequate to the great object which called them forth.
Lord ELLEN BOROCOti said, that if the state-
ment of the Noble Marquess was unanswerable, as it
Lad been described, and as he considered it to be in
some points, it was the strongest censure on the present and
past Governments of Ire'and that could be devised. The
Noble Earl at the heed of his klikle,ity's Treasury had mild
that the Meteor Ireland depended upon the state of society
in that country ; but he (Lard Eileuborough) traced the
state of society to the Statute Meth. Ito begged their
Lordships' to consider how different would have been the
roimdition of Ireland at this moment if such a resolution as
that now proposed had been agreed to at the Union. Ile
was of opinion that the tranquillity of Ireland would never
be restored under the present eystem of government. ft
Ives Impossible that justice could be done to the population,
or what was equlvaleut to that. it was impossib.e thet they
roe' d believe they should receive justice while the existing
. laws remained In force upon the subjett of rellirion. The
Noble and Learned Lord upon the woolsack had said that
- the small number of appeals proved that there was no ob-
jection to the administration of justice In Ireland. But it
was not between the rich aed the rich that justice was said
to tor withheld. It was between the rich man and the poor
man. and of such cases the appeals could give them no at-
eeon•. With regard to the ques lon of tithes, he should un-
doebtedly agree to some such proposition as the Noble Earl
had suggested. But the plan would be of no use unless I(
were made compulsory upon prepri‘ tors.
The Earl of BLESsI NI:TON considered tithe pro-
perty as li•mble to the interference of the Ho ‘rinment..
The LORD CIIANCSLLOR and time Earl of
explained.
Lord DARNLEY declared that whatever might he
the result of time present question, the Uovernment in
England and Ireland would be obliged to take up the
question. If the Irish were no better than slaves, that
melancholy fact resulted from misgovernment. Hat
he denied that there was such inherent sir . The
excellency of the country—the successes that hod fre-
quently milked the proven of her sons, all contra-
dicted the ion of the inherent badoess of the
country. His Lordship then condemned the Irish
Constables ; it would rilson-t those who were
now acting as Magistrates; and hr declared that this
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before their Loapships.
Lord HOLLAND observed, that the Noble Earl, in
bit most extraordinary speech, had taken an ample re-
view of the state of society at different periods, and in
various parts of the world ; and he had ended those
siognlar details with proposing to defer the eonsidera
tion of the present question. Theanhject, it liras eon
si•!ered, was a very prover one (or the most serious
co'isideraiin ; hut then thle.we's ;Mt Om•proper time.
Indeed they were plain'y Old tllat they knew the Jlinia
sera' anxiety to promote the stir/Wage el lei taG tit 41111

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