The Statesman.
London, England, 1809-09-16 00:00:00

THE StATESMAN. .

state! no particulars—no plan...which made it
(hob' y objectionable; bat there was another con.
silleration, and that of nu mean importance, the
expence. lie had by mere accident in the morn.
itie. opened a book, in which there happened to
be a statement of the expence incurred by the
Corporation of London, when they entertained
their Majesties at Guildhall, at the commenco.
mitt of the reign—Port wine was at that time
about 16s. or 18s. a dozen, and every thing else
in proportion, and yet the bill on that occasion
a.aounted to no less a sum than 68581. 9a. 4(1.—
At a moment when the Corporation had been
oblidyd to curtail their eipences, so far as even to
&drive the Cmimittees of their Wile gratifica-
tion, he thought it most absurd to recommend
an expenditure which would throw the City
bark in point of finance, so far, that it would
,;titre ,years to recover it. There was
another point on which he felt extreme des.
sari faction, and that was the manner in which
the Court had been convened. lie had an
liii•eiion to seeing the Chief Magistrate, do.
vie I and co.operaling with those who set the
on foot, and acting, in fact, tinder the
jot' wore of iviodier body (/he Merchants and
B The Corporation of the City of Lon.
&Hi uazht t' take the first rank at least in that
city. it had the strongest aversion to the trick
snit managemilit to which he ailudt.l. lie had
drawn up all A men Intent to the Motion,
which. altiloii4l) he might not press to a division,
siimild feel it his (liar to reail, as being espres_
sir •of the oviments he felt on what he must term
they cry extravagant motion of the Worthy Ba.
Tone!.
1' oaf this (.74 tit. and the Country at large. have, upon all
orca,ions ev.neet their loyalts no atiiicionent to his Majes-
ty's Person and romily, and duly impressed with a sense of
the ensirrot virtues which have s.t long endeared aim to his
people, the.. will at all times be rraiy to testify their
ally and affection to their gracious Sovereign.
That tie People, distirigni hing between the beneficent
view, nod unentious of due Monarch, and she profligate arts
of incapable and unprincipled Ministers. have not sneered
the destructive Mr t which have been pursued; the fail-
ures and di, tier. vo hich have so freqoarntly disappointed
theis hopes and etpectations ; the frauds, corruption, and
sines, which have prevailed ; and the wasteful and iinpro-
s ident sacrifice of blood mil treasure. in any manner to di-
7.ainisli the lose aid affection which they have home towards
his Majesty, fir:My per.anderlhat the lung train at calami-
tots events must have been earthy *Miming in his Majesty
and hi. Pe,plo ; nni they enntint sufficient!) lament that his
Majesty's confidence s:insld have been thus abased by evil ad-
visers, solin have equally disregarded the Rights, Liberty,
Lives, and Property of his faithful Subjects.
That 111/* feel it to be their imperious duty to support his
Maje•ty in the exercise of his just prerogatives. and to use
every ronstilutinnatendeavoiir to rescue him and themselves
{non entmeils of men, supported by a venal
sad unprincipled borough !version. who are equally enemies
tn both King and Penole, and w hose arbitrary contrail over
the p•acredings of Parliameat, threaten the total sahversigo
of our wiciria awl free Consiittition.

That in their opioi by directing their efforts with these
salutar. view t ley %s ill most effectually evince their loyalty
ah:l itilehmen• to his Mairntv. regard for the genuine princi-
ple, of he Cons:itati,m. he,t pramote the security' of his
111.0•00 Crown and Domitiium, and the Peace, Liberty,
an iarse of his People.
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Mr. Waithinan motioned a very excellent and
argumentative socech, by statiiig shat he was now
in the hands of the Court ; and whether they
chose to adopt that Amendment or not, the ex-
tracts which he proposed to have read could nut
fail to have a Ih si etfect, as they would thew
the principles of our ancestors, together with the re.
redo which ought to be applied far the preservation
of the Constitution and liberties of this kingdom—
and these extract; would, at the same time, pri•voilt
the effect of those misrepresentations which will
be attempted to be made by those who charge
every err os with being disloyal who refuses to con.
ear in their opinion, that we are going on pros.
perousty awl happy, and that things are exactly
as tivy ought to be.
The Cl,rk being about to read tho Extracts
meted by Mr. Waithman, •
Mr. DIXON said, the motion before-the Court
did not bear als construction which the worthy
Member (Mr. Waithman) had put upon it. The
motion merely was, that the Court would cele.
bride the ensuing anniversary of his Majesty's ac.
cession ; and so far frum pointing out how this
ought to be done, it Went on to refer it to a Corn.
snifter of all the Aldermen and a Commoner (ruin
each Ward present, to consider of the best means
of doing it, and to report those means to the
Court. 'Die intentions of those who proposed
the measure were simply to chew their loyalty and
attachment to (notwithstanding all the frightful pie.
tures th it had been drawn) the belt Sovereign that
ever sat un the Throne of England. Shortly would
arrive the fiftieth year of the reign of a Monarch
who bad not, in a sinele instance, deviated from the
profo—iinis with which he commenced that reign.
Ile reminded the Court, in answer to some state.
meets of the last Speaker, that if the National
Defit hail increased in his Majesty's reign, the
me ins of extingtiishink the debt had increased
al.mg a ith it ; and that the sum of no less than
eight millions was annually devoted to this par.
pose, lie called upon every man, to contemplate
the mighty events that convulsed Europe is its
centre ; and when our situation was contrasted
with the situation of our neighbours, was there
no event to make them comfortable ? Could
it do any ,nod to depress the spirits of Eng-
lishmen ? If there was a country to be en-
vied on earth, it was ours. It had been
tomptained, that the King had removed a Lord
Chan rellor. Had not every Lord Chancel-
lor that hal ever existed, gone nut and come in as
a matter of curse ? The Jiotlges were as free as
men could ptist"lly be. lie thought the Court
ought fir.t to thank Cod, on the approaching an.
niversarv, and next to congratulate the King.—
What be-itlits they did, he cared not. Much had
been s.ud atom the expenses of a dinner given by
the City, at the King's Accession. At this din.
net.. many ladies and other visitors were present;
bat thvst, things were not at present before the
Court. The question was will you celebrate the
dal?

Mr. JACKS thaaght the nsild and amiable sir.
tues of our Sovereign would excite in the City some
i'desire of testifying the love it bore him. lie had
never u•tduly exerted his prerogative, as the Tu.
dors and Stew Isis did, under the names of ship.
money, and 'various other imposts. The Consti.
tution w4ll as pure, as when he first commenced his
reizn. lie was the patron of the Arts and Sciences :
he hid established an acsden►y for the encourage.
ment of the former. All history proved, that it was
in the most prosperous times that the Arts mast lion.
ri,hed ; in such reigns as Augustus Cesar, Louis
XI V. and George.M. It was not only as the
patron of the Fine Arts that the King had distin.

guished himself : he had equally eucouraged astro-
nomy, chemistry, and mathematics, and was him-
self allowed to be one of the best theoretical far-
mers that ever existed. The King might be better
contemplated as a man, a Christian, a husband,
and a father; in neither of which relations, had
the breath of calumoy.ever touched him. George
the Third was an excellent private character ; and

he thought, that on this occasion all party consi-
derations should be waved, and something should
be done, to evince respect fur private virtue.
Mr. Alderman C. SMITH did not expect the
present motion would lin i with any opposition :
he thought no man conk be insensible to the mild
laws which had dlstingu hed his Majesty's rsign.
Wbcn we heard of revolutions and subjugation'

in other coautriei, we had abundant cause tu oder
up our thanks tu Guil, that it was nut 5o with us.
Our prosperity might be estimated by the facility
with which loanneere raiscd, and the character

our metropolis bore on the C untiuent. The lan-
guage there was, " ere me a bill upon London,
and there's your money."—(d loud laugh.)
Mr. MA WMAN urged, that there had been
but two instances for 1000 years in which a Mo.
touch had reigned 50 years ; and that as there was
a precedent for the celebration of the both year
of • Sovereigu's reign, it would be invidious to
pass over the present occasion. He regretted that
a variety of ar4timents had been made use of which
slid not press upon the subject before the Court.
The Worthy Member thought the people of Eng.
land more contentious for wars than the Minis-
ters, and he was sorry for the spirit of his coun-
trymen. He thought it not right to throw a ge.
neral odium on the measures of a whole reign ;
sold saw no reason wby we should nut compls
with usage on the ;,resent erasion.
Mr. W expressed his opinion that for
the celebration of a Jubilee there was no rational
cause—and as to an Illumination—it could have
no effect but that of putting the people to a
great expence, at a time wlien they could but
ill afford it—it was calculated to uut money
into the pockets of some at the expence of
others, in more ways than one. For his part, if
so absurd a measure were, contrary to pro-
priety, and in defiance of common sense, to be
adopted, he should take his horse, and ride away
from a scene where riot, confusion, and picking.
pockets would be the prominent features of the
entertainment.
Mr. WAITIIMAN, in reply, said there was
no individual, who did not wise to misunderstand
him, who could suppose that he meant to reflect
upon his Majesty's conduct. The gentleman op.
Nide (Mr. Dixon) always connected his Majesty
with his acts. The worthy Member (Mr. W.)
bilieved, that never was there a better Sovereign
possessed of worse Ministers. He had no objec-
tion to a jubilee, if it were confined to the cele.
oration of his Majesty's accession by a dinner at
the Mansion-House; but !ae did consider the pre-
sent motion to be intended as a public act to
cover the disgraces of Ministers, whereas an
address should be presented from this Court,
praying his Majesty to dismiss them. The wor-
thy Member had it in contemplation to bring for-
ward a statement of all public grievances, and
he trusted be should express himself so as to con.
vey no disloyalty to his Sovereign. The public
had seen what hail been thrown out in other places
op this subject ; and he could nut doubt that the.,
measure came from Government. Although Mr.
Waithman could nut be surprised at any thing
from the Worthy Alderman opposite (C. Smith),
who generally sided with the opposition, and sup-
ported Mr. ‘Vaithman's measures, yet he could
not help noticing what had fallen from that
Alderman to-day. If there was any one evil
in the country, it was the increase of paper, which
lie thought such a blessing. The increase of our
debt, and the increase of our paper, had been com-
plained of by Hume, by Adam Smith, and by the
best writers on the subject. Another Worthy Mem-
ber. (Mr. Dixon) had said, that if we hail debts and
taxes, we had also a sinking fend of eight millions
per annum. Why, this of itself was an evil. Mr.
Waithman thought the worthy Member was about
to disclose a spring or a mine, by which to pay the
National Debt, and not these eight millions. We
were taxed to the rate of seventy millions ; and
what consolation was it to be taxed eight millions
more to liquidate our debt ? Mr. Waithman,
among other observations, quoted the saying of
Lord Camden, that it was an opinion to which
he should adhere to his (lying day, that to tax
America was tyranny. When the people were
talked of, what could the people do ? Was it not
the complaint of every Statesutan, that the cor.
reptiott of Ministers was the evil ? Where the
people depended upon a corrupt Parliament, it was
the worst tyranny. Had the people any choice in
their representatives ? Any Member of the Court,
notwithstanding Mr. Curiven's Bill, cuuld ob.
tain a seat in Parliament for money. When Lord
North talked of the freedom of Parliament, and
said that Birmingham or Manchester had as great a
right to complain as America, Mr. Burke replied,
that it was the wont way of defending his cause
to shew the disgraceful parts of the Constitu-
tion. Parliament had, upon every occasion,
supported every measure of the administration ;
and, if the whole country were to go op with
addresses, they could not effect restitution. If an
idea were wished to be formed of the health of
the State, Mr. Waithman directed the eyes of the
people to the workhouses. The nation was florid
in the face, but sick at heart; or, as Mr. Hume
had expressed it, its head was too big fur its
body. The ploy of the country Were des.

toyed ; and a new asunied aristucr.►cy creAted. Ho
had known instances of great mercantile houses,
who had been insolvent for years, pay jog t hat mo-
ney to Government which thy), owed In their credi-
tors. Men in trade must conceal their losses. and put

a good face upon things ; and then we were tuld
'we must give up a part to saie the wilwle. Was
this no grievance ? Thu worthy Member con.
chided, by asking how we could compliment
the Sovereign upon the security of the Throne
to his fatuity ? Things might last his time, but
who could insure them longer ? In what sitia-

hull, too, were his Majesty's relative* •oh the
Continent ? The worthy Member saw much met.
ter for condolence, but none fur congratul.ition.
The Address of the City of London to his Ma-
jesty, on his accession, was then read, by Mr.
Waithman's desire.

Mr. DIXON objected to roidilg such Ad.
dresses, without knowing for what purpose it was
done.

Mr. WAITIIMAN replied, that there were
documents in the Court', books, which would
strengthen his arguments ; and he wished them
read for this purpose.

Mr. Alierosan Ck/RTIS objected to the reading of these
entries. which tended only, he said, to waste the time of the
Court, and to dela, it from coming to a vote, which Mr.
Wsithouto evidently disliked. Thai IVoriby Member talked
a great deal of his loyaltx. and the parity of his motives,
but 99 out of every 101 would out believe his enctives to be
what he had described them to be. He wished the Lord
Mayor to exert his authority, by stopping these readings.
lint his Lordship held that the propo.e4 nommen', frugal to
be tread. The Addresses of May 14th, 1170, and March
ltth, 1716, were then read.
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Mr. CROOK supported the Motion. It had been im-
puted to the worthy Itirt. by Mr. Waidassan, that he •wought
birward this Motion in screen Ministers. Now the portity
Bart. had told the Court, upon bis honour.. dint be hail no
Rich motive, and Mr. Crook said he should give the worthy
Ram credit far his declaration, mid vote for the Motion. He
could not help saying that this was by nn means a political
question, but a mark of loyalty and personal Etat:tamest to
the Sovereign.

Mr. GRIFFITHS vupported the Motion also on the same
grounds; and observed it would be a measure pleasing to bis
Majesty in his declining years.
Mr. Alderman WOOD felt the same difficulty in arenting
to the Motion before the Court as he did to teat of signing
the Requisition—that the ohlect of both was uottlined.—
Now the Amend mot steered clear of that difficulty, and
therefore he could support it, if put to the vote.
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(Mr. W A IM AN here observed, that it was not his its-
tention to press it.]
The worthy Alderman observed, that the Amendment was
not wanting in expressions of personal attachment to his Mo-
lests any more than the motion itself—but, at the same time,
it was not fair in those aho brought this measure faro aril
to insist upon it that they were not supporting Ministers by
measures it tilts evident they Isere; and to that he ob-
jected, and so should every oue who had a proper respect .or
this Corporations for when the Court went up with a cringing
Ad tress, they were graciionly received, hot when they went
up with a spirited and independent Address they were re-
cer.ed e:intemptisoudy. And on the .voting of the Freedom
of toe City to be presented to Mr. Wardle in a Gold Kos.,
a worthy M•mber (Mr. Kemb!..) had opposed it on
account of the poverty of the Corporation. Perhaps
:.4/l oajeCtion might occur to I.lse "'renal motion.—Bat al-
though it was denied, yet h.: firmly believed, that the measure
now proposed originated with Government ; and that consti-
toted, with hi:n, an abjection to it—and still more to the
tootle of bringiog it fora aid: it bad hero recanimended by the
sign 'titre of .I:dt.,,tico to the Requisition, to which he had'
muca objection, because Aldermen were toe A ristocralical
part of the Court, with whist part, the measures of the
Court, upon public affairs, should never originate, fur the
true fintianiii frown whence th-y should dim, was titers's/or
brooch of i:.e t tot. The IS orthy Baronet had Said he did
not care a f silting for this tdmiaistrat ion ; that was not woo-
rlerful, for hr had just o hispered in the ear of the Worth?
Baronet that he Oa I heari Mr. Pereeval bad, on Sendai
last, at Windsor, ieqwested the King to accept of his resig-
nation--the IVort7ty Baronet declared he did nut know it an.i
thereaire he might Jaye credit fur his ludiferenee about
party—when par:ies were tottering, it was politic, perhaps,
in the opinion of the worthy Damsel, to he initilferrut about
them, in order the more readily to chime in with vlose who
m;-11t cent:tinily obtain power. As to himielt, Mr. Alder-
man Wood declared, t he should nes-r go op with any
Address again, exc eh as might be worihv of the Citi-
zen. to vote, and t rood to attend to—an Address to re
store to the people of aiglaad their att.:lent Coustitallos.
Mr. Alderman GOOD BEH ERE, in a short but able'
speech, expressed his rorprise to te-o. this called no 'rangiest
question. In his opinion, it was a;:ogether and profoundly
so. Ile was as ready as any one roild be, to honour tier
King, as a man, and to express afeetiou for him; and to re•
sere his private virtu -y; bolt-are rub/ betaken at the same
flow not to lose sight of the pnpul it branch of toe Gointita-
lino of hogland, and the privileges of the people. It was
not eaouga to exress attachinevi to his Majesty. no account
of a lung reign, bat that should be accompanied wi b WlDE-
thing that might operate as a lesson to the Prince of Wale,
of what course the people expect be should follow, wheo. in
the Coarse of nature, they shou.d become his subjects, for they
would expect that their Its e. and litses ilea Ilb,add be protected.
We were a or said to be in a state of envied prosperity.—
Care should be taken to point out the coutise by winch atom we
could avoid disasters acid defeats, and that was to reform
abuses, shuts the exteozion of place-, pensions, leans—lead-
ing, as they directly did, to still fa. deer and more eaurisua.
boudoir. Hut he could out help thiiiking that the prevent
dispinition f.r shoo, for expellee, heeding of all cues.-
, gustier, was a had symptom of the state of she minds of the
people; they wrre by no memo sunciernly awake to their
true condition. lI e bad as much readiness :is any Member altar
l'inirt to assent to an acknowledgineat of the virtues o. our
beloved ltionorch—'sot the interest of the people, in his opi-
nion, required that sacra nu Addroo should oe attended by
such seutonenes as might operate as a wholesome tetrad to the
Prince of Vi ale., in whose coarse of policy rte mast feel the
deepest intereo in the event at his becoming Sovereign.
Mr. KEMBLE, when be first beard of the Proposition,
was against it—but thiuking that the sense of the country at
large was in favour of such a MeßSllfe, he wow deemed it
expedient--hut recommended economy. which be thought
would gratify nu imlividual more than his Majesty.
The question was then put and carried unanimously.

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THE ST-4TESNIAN.

PbtUPO4ITI TENAX.

LONDON:
SATURDAY, SRPTRIIICR 16.

THE Earl of CHATHAM landed at Deal rester.
day, from• the Venerable, and is now in London
..." far different was the landing of Lord
•" CIIATHAM at this place from that of NELSON.
" On the boat of the Venerable reaching thy
" share, the surf rendered a landing diflicalt...
" but not a man of all the numerous spectators
" present stirred a foot or ' lent a hand'---all
" was gloom and silence. Disappointment sat
" on every countenance. When Nsmoi
" landed, crowd: rushed through the err/ to
44 haul in the boal."--Snehp says oat ,Corre-

%
--.

stiondest was the reccptipn of the unfo tonal
ComMander of the Espeulitiom to the Scheldt--
We say unfortunate, becitusft until the .resultOf
an inquiry shall haie proved that to hitit is int pu...
table the failure of the Expedition, we 'hat, cer:
tainly suspend our opinion as to where the blame .
really attaches; we therefore deem him unfortunate
in having incurred the Prensature jubirnent of the
Ipublic. The impression on our minds is, that the ex.
culpalion, if that be possible, Certainly rests with
Mushier:, because, the proximity of the scene of
action was such, as to have ensbled them ab.
toletely to judge, of the propriety of the men. '
sures, that the Commander Was pursuing, and ,
to have corrected them when they Were mani-
festly injudicious ! N4tivithstanding all that is said
by the Aliaistriill hirelings, we venture to has ird
an opinion that Wtileheren cannot b,, in our pus.
session many weeks, if eien it should tuts out
that the ltepert last iiiiht of the Evacuation was
premature.

Tax accounts from the Tyrol, which we have
extracted from German Papers to the 6th instant,
(that arrived in town last night) are hi;hly into.
resting. That a resistance, so obstinately and
successfully protracted, should get exist, is alike
illustrative of the strength of the country, and
the invincible arersiuu of the Tyrolese to like

sway of NAPOLEON.
Respecting the state of the Negociation, we
have contradictory account?, which leave us in
the same incertitude that we were before this arri.
val. One report announces a visit of NAP°.
LEON to his advanced posts in Mott try, while
another, in a letter from lr•'mbdcn, of the 7th
instant, states hint to he seriously indisposed at
Vienna. The reports of peace having actually
been signed, are:accompanied by another, of'his
expeded presence in Paris about the 4th or sth..
That he has nut keturned may conclude, front
, the silence of the batteries on the Frencu k-oast.

AMERICAN produce has advanced mittens I) in
Holland, as much even as 40 per Cent. This is
doubtless attributable to the renewal of the pro.
hibition of Intercourse, announced in the Prods.
m3tion of the PRESIDENT.

A bag of letters is arrival from Heligoland.

Tag renewed effort in the Peninsula, which we
,announced semi days ago, has, at length, cow.
menced—a freih Eipedition for Portug4al I. in
preparation, and our hopes are now to be trans.
ferred from the troops, to the Commis- iriat....
which is about to undergo an abso ko• regenera.
lien---This reminds us of the old proverb, eir
" shutting the doer when the -teed is stolen."

THE luminous display of oratorical powers by
the worthy Baronet, and his tro, thy 'ales:sue (Mr.
S. Duo's), in the Cuurt f Common C,
might almost have called up the ms.,es o 1 Damosv-
lIENES and CICERO from th it and wawa

" Iron tears down cheek:."

Such a dl play of eloquence has been bat rarely
exhibited—Turtle. and Venison, however, carrier!
the question, in de6.nce of the cogent rimenti
of Mr. WAITIIMAY, Mr. Alderman Wuro, Mr.
GOODIMICRE, and of Coss stoK Stssr.
Mt. Jacks shone concpicuovs4 brilliant in thd
Debate, and endeavoured to Ilutnirie his fellow.
citizens by talking aborit Greece and Rome ; but
in his comparison of the times .f logii.t.tr( a sar
and Lmsis XIV. viiih the reign ot George alt:
he was not happy : in truth; he was ra,h _1!1* Unfoi fu.
nate, for Mr. JACKS mutt have forgottcn that
Augustus and 14E4 is were tyrants jrs tire.i.trietest
sense of the word, and he was all the while ena

Ileivouring to stew that the Ar's tlowrish must iti
free States—this position, however, is as inatt-
missitile, at that which *as ouide io the hearing or
Dr. Jo►tKsott—
N'Mn rules o'er freemen Mould btemelf be free."
As well might we say, replied the &whir.--

•i Cho drives fat °tea, 'Maid klavielf be fat."

The truth it, that Giti;:ess Jacks; with abundance
of good sense, is apt to wander too far frois
home. Let him vice up Urea* and Rome, and
dis•mitinue .the trick of rummaging old books to
furnish him with uem- -‘, irk and span new--
ideas its the Common Comte:it—and b may int.s
for what he really is-.. 4 man of ',Litt good stow,
but..-no orotori
.

An bider reaciod Portsmouth yeslciday, thlt
the whole of tile coy:let-bottomed transports shat
were asseinioled at Spitheail, stsuulti pioceeil with
the .(far man of war (who lakes contioy to the
Mediterranean) buss.
We bet.. Te nothinu ha• yet been tleterrined un
reinwcting the ministerial new cis iiiidtm:ll‘,
thought that vime ch Inge will take lilace is pies y
certain. It was said yeonerila) is the cud's', 1.1
the debate in the common 1111 tae J.o loam,
that Mr. PEMCV AL had Ittiarte.l his resignation to
the *lmo on huoiday last.

A report is in eireulation, that Att. JAensoN,
our Nlinistin to the l itrd
had, en nth.,l in putt in been r. filsect
ernisquat to lend. k net mot, wu
thy of brttef, than that nh.ch,stated ihal i,n Unell.
sire 1100 def enotkr treat, hid. been netu• 'well be-
tweet% Frani* and Amelia. .!.
The Drary.lene t employ xiil ntst!te the note
',inter seseittl id the Ileum, um Thlteita, beat.

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