The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-06-30 00:00:00

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state what in his Bill he had accomplished, and what
he had left unperformed. In the first place 6 had
provided, that the process of excommunication
should be discontinued, anti in its place he had sub.
stitnted the process do contuntaci capiendo. 11. had
next abolished excommunication genernlly, exc
ing in cases of great enormity. He had not tho .. It
it fit to destroy it altogether, since as ev.try othcr
Establishment possessed the power, he did not think
that the Church of England should he place lin an
! inferior situation. The neat provision was, that
1 the civil consequences attendant upon exc,mmunie-_
tion should the removed, excepting in cases of i -e.,,
t and some others. The objet, he Had next cor ,em-
'nutted, was the abolition of a number of minor F•• :le.
Antics! Courts, on the maxim, that imp %Tem • ~,
jurisprudence ispromoted ay e\!ensiorsofjurisdi ~ ,
.'A number of clauses had ibeen i lam ted for the pit,
of removing the proceedings of the inferior trih.......•
into the Diocestu Courts. The qualification of the
1 Judges had then occupied his attention, and the re.
I itainder of the Bill was occupied in making provi.
ohms relative to Church Rates and Tithes. He :lac
omitted in this measure two matters that some Gen.
tiemen might have wished inserted ; it was silent on
1 the subject of defamation, because, if the jurisetctior
l of the Ecclesiastical Courts were taken away in mat.
tens of slander on the Church, they would not In
cognizable in our Courts of Law. All provision:
regarding Ireland were also omitted, Sir W. Scott
professing himself not sufficiently Repainted with
the constitution of the Consiatbrial Courts there.--
1 Under many circumstances of disadvantage, he had
1 discharged the task imposed upon him by the house'
with great diffidence, well aware of the magnitude
and importance of the subject: if the House should
adopt his Bill, he should feel much pleasure ; but if
i it disapproved of it, he would take leave of it with-
out regret. He moved for leave to bring in a Bill
for the better regulation of Ecclesiastical Courts in
that part of the United Kingdom called England,
land for the more easy Collection of Chinch Rates
and Tithes.

LORD FOLKESTONE expressed his satisfaction
at seeing the promise of the Right Honourable and
Learned Gentleman fulfilled: the measure as dis-
closed met his entire approbation; he lamented only
that it had been introduced at so late a period of the
.session, and that it was brought forward under such
ill-auspices, when the Right Honourable and Learned
Gentleman declared that if it were thrown out he
should take leave of it without regret.
Sir W. SCOTT expittioed, and adverted again to
the difficulties with which he had to contend, in sepa.
rating the Ecclesiastical Law, when it- was so inter.
woven and united with the very substance of oar
' Cohstitution. He denied that he was indifferent as
to the fate of the Bill.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY, after some observa-
tions on the injurious tendency of the jurisdiction in
question, said he understood it was not the int-ntion
of the Right
,Honourable Gentleman to e.,.tend the
provisions of his Bill to Ireland. lie supposed ,liat
this arose from the difference In the Conttifu'ion of
the Spiritual Courts in that part of the empire, b.'t he
could not help • ishing that a teeasere which leer ised
to be so generally advantageous, should be commu-
nicated to that country.
Mr. TIGHE strongly recommended the B;11 to be
extended to Ireland; where, it the Spirit' al Courts
were different, fife difilvence was I,r the worse.
Sir W. SCOTT said a few words in expitplation,
when it was ordered, that he and tut Attorney-Gene-
ral should prepare and being in the
Mr. ABERCROMBIE gave notice, that on Wed-
s nesday next he should move for the production of the
IReport of the Committee appointed to enquire into
the delays of the Court of Chancery.
Mr. FITZGERALD moved,, that the Report on
the Inland Navigation of Ireland should lie on the
table, which,
After a few words from Mr. Giddy and Lord
Desert, was agreed to.
j Sir S. ROMILLY gave notice, that on Monday
I nee, he should move for more detailed returns of
the oonvicts in Ireland.

MR. PALMER'S RILL.
Mr. PALMER moved the third reading of the Per
Centage Bill.
Sir FRANCIS BURDET'r rose to say a few words
respecting some misconception which prevailed rela-
tive to the opinions which had been given on the le.
gality of Mr. Palmer's claim, by Sir J. hlansfield,
Lola Erskine. Sir Vicary Gibbs, and Mr. Adam. It
had been said that the opinion of those eminent
lawyers had been formed on ex-parte evidence. This
he was prepared to disprove, and to shew that it was
delivered on a full review and knowledge of all the
circumstances of the case. Here the Honourable
Baronet read an extract from the written opinion of
Mr. Palmer's Counsel. He acknowledged that there
was some part of that Gentleman's conduct that was
Out strictly defensible ; but he denied that it could at
all affect the question as to the justice of his claim,
inasmuch as the conduct alluded to, so far front
1 evincing any want of integrity in his public trust,
i
' arose from his impatience at the ignorance of those
who'were set over him. Lord Walsingham and Lord
Chesterfield had, nevertheless,greatly to their honour,
1 borue ample testimony to the general merits of Mr.
Palmer. There was, likewise, sufficient proof in the
° great increase of the revenue, of the value and im.
portance of Mr. Palmer's plan—a plan which tied re.
i quired great talents and exertions to carry into etc-
; cation—an object, however, which Mr. Palmer had
successfully accomplished. It was a most unfair prin•
iciple thud to assume, that because the gain to the pub-
-1 lic had been enormous, and the per ce..tage to toe in-
dividual must of course be great, therefore, the House
I ought to pause before they fulfilled the demands of
Ijustice. When he saw sinecures actually i:icreasing
1 in proportion to the increasing distresses of the coon-
try, and the Ilouse refusing to interfere, on the grand
i that the gentlemen holding them had a legal right to
their possession, he thought it very hard that such an
argument should be urged in a case where great actual
service had been performed, and where no improvi-
dent bargain had been ioade.
M. BANKES said a few words in opposition to
the Bill, which was read a. third time and passed,
without e division. • .
. . Mr. PARKER, COKE moved the second reading
of the Fretee-work-kaitten' Bill. He stated the ob-