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allude to a breach bf privilege ; but
to the sound discretion aof the }lon. Me•
sitbout any ulterior intention of tomtit
upon it, be consulted the dignity of thi'
going to prove that a breach ot ptivitep
'', . doubt 'l'w,, before.—(llear.)
7* Jr. 'Mr. JONES said he could not but feel indignant at'
she imputations reheh weep coat, von. the moires of,
'his iondoct. He disclaimed the title of " partizatol
enl interred that his votes in this House were given is
ageorilanee with the sentiments of those who. sent M
, there. He was neither the partisan of the Ministry, now
of the Opposition. He voted according to the &Mete*
..t his consciehce. It was with the same feelings that
•he gave his vote en the particular occasion last night,
and, therefore, the Editor of this paper, for whom he
entertained great respect, had no right to impugn his
inotives. Whatever respect, however, he might have for
him, justice to blateelf demanded, that be should bring
tlia matter before the Howse; bat they might deal with'
It afterwards as they thought it proper. The Honour-
able Measberiheu moved,." That ibis paper be now
hooded In.llll, •
Mr. ItIC RD.MARTIN meander, the motion.
• Mr. HOBHOUSB expressed his regret that the Hon.
• Member did not act upon the hint which was so kindly
' thrown out from the Chair.—(Hear, hear.) That the pa-
ragraph was a breech of Frieder, there could not be a
doutir,inasinucli as it was irregular to notice at all the
proceedings of this House. Bat with submiision to the
Hon. Member, it appeared to him (Mr. H.) thatthis was
a sliaht oemark. and indeed there was not a day in which
allualoneiaf this description were not to be seen in all the
p.n.; apere. He (Mr. II.) was himself often made the
chjett of such erminksi Under such circumstances, then,
• he 1.. acrather sorprised that the Hon. Member should
have made sueb a prepostermis potion, or that it should
ho pre; osterotasly seconded.. lint be hoped the mover and
1,14 colid..r would see the necesaity of withdrawing it.—
• (Hear, hear.)
Mr. JON ES said he could not call that a slight attack
~ which characterized hint as the abettor of tyrannical and
oppreisive proceedings.
• Mr. See. CANNING being loudly called for, rose and
raid, bat, however digitised be should be, in all cases,
• to eager( the privileges of the House, when they were in-
-:fringed. yet be could not look upon the present case as
one mesh deserving of attention. There could be no
~a'...doubt hut that the paragraph was a hreacb of privilege.
—After the soggration which bad fallen from the Chair,
lg. however, he hoped the Hon. Member would not be• die-
posed to pr. as the matter further.—(Hear.) If the Hon.
Member felt hart bv . the allusions made to him, he was
certainly warrantrifin takiag any course to justify bin*
self; but it appeared to hint trot the charge was so 04.
neral, that I f the Hon. Member reflected a little, he woild
• feel that little of it. applied to him individually. Upon
general grounds, however, it was unwise, and certainly
little coosistent, with the dignity of the Houw. upon
every allusion of this sort, Is enter into any explanation
• which might have reference to another discussion. and
as it were re-debate the question. He hoped, therefore,
• that the Doi. Manlier *Odd' be satisfied with the ex-
- planation 'which he hid already. made, and suffer the
matter to reattere.-(Hear.)
Mr. 11, MARTIN wild, be had onty one obaerratioo
to make. lie could not approve °film term " prepoeter•
eat." which.the Hun. Member (.Mr. flobbouse) had ap-
plied to thicesotion. He (Mr. Mania)) would not second
. . a preposterous motion. The Hon. Member had neier
misapplied the term more than by calling that propos,
terous, which was-a violation of the privileges of the
. Honer. He (Mr. hl.) wished Utley, once for all, that he
would be the last man to second a motion which wet
tontraty talkie privily es of the House. •
„;:-.1.2r. Sergeant ONS.LOW rose to say. that he did not
. 'understand the Hoe. Member for Westminster to allude
. personally to say one. .
. .111 r. MARTIN—" 014 I went no explasations."
Mr. JONES in withdrawing the paper, expressed-hie
concern, that inky misunderstanding should have arisen
' eel of a siffnect which lie had introduced. •
' Mr. MAltTllf.—" Oh, fam perfectly satisfied."--(Al
laugh.) •
. The matter Jben dropped. .; i . •
. POOR. LAWS SETTLEITABNT.•
Colonel WOOD rose to br,ing forward Ids proposit
' far 'altering the. present leis of settlement :of the poor
-Ittelfilsore.l- le Liaise thit lie hail taken anaiderablel
:,• f( tlita euiljeetcalid be hi& the 'satisfaetion of
Andihst that the measures labial be tutu . new about to
sutimic had met with general satisfaction. Ho wished
an important a nteastme. had •falkdinto hands better abl
• 14' do it justice; but he hoped the Honie . would no
•• • visit upon this 'cause ebb weakness of the. advocate
• Wahnut more peek be should state the eaten
to which he propot teiiiii the penitent laws.. Wi
the 451 of Elleabet, ht iclf*as the foundation of th
poi* Jaws, be wie e 4. to' say he had nit .fault to fig.
Notivith standing alt that political eCooornists might sib
be 'still considered that law a charitable and busman
. - enactment. • Hot .:la. that -law, there was not a word
• . which could be censtrnod to give sanction to the prea.
I sent settlement laws. taws relating to these had• been
t. made in a inert earirpart of Elisabeth', reign. The
. ' "effect of three was,. that when 'pipers became charge-
' "'"iiiile, they should be sent to the parishes
,where they
• .. tirre horn, By the 39th. 4 Elizabetb...this Was altered
At pariibes_ylkeyelhey !lid USIA opi, soy., .So the law
-,teintuned•So years. Since thee, law after law bad been
- 'Aeie, each of which increased *the difficulty. which the
nielt‘of obtaining a. settlement. The .first law
broached dos principle• of the present law, was
-abeilth and 14th of Charted the Second. -By that' law,
Zan pauperscoining Into 4 parithwere liable to be removed.
'lin forty days ifter.roming into it, but not after. This was
•31 great infringement of the liberty of. the lower classes,
;'every one of al om, might be.called poor, and who might
'thin be retie. lit the will 'of the overseers. It being
vfound. however, that .forty
.drys was too short as expo-
_ liptent for trying a man's industry. the term was far-
., Ler extruded ; but it was not a spiostioo of forty days
, t of flirty . years; .for by the present 100, if a man
.. Ili with his family bia.whote life in a panel); be was by
:, %Idols the end to be rewoved.to a paristi_erhere he had
.I by areidera a. gaited o,settlement, bat where be possibly
no friends or relations. Millis Iswannide since were
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we eppreyive te the poor.. Qi-ill the effects of tbese
w.s of settlement weir not the knot ohjectienalde was
• .4.4 the expensive litigation which -Alai induced. The ex-1
Amite of litigation arising opt of the.law of settlement I
, ilea, rated. at 500,0001. a yeer.—..(Hear.) In 1815 the
expense ii as 287,0001. and that of appeals _4.7001. The '
,„ Oycts upon the morals of ,tbe poor more.mach to he de:
lii•are.h The objects of his resolatimis *onto substitute 1
: A term of residence in all caseein • lieu of the quilifies-1
~Uone now ilvol4hdld., He would wish-to fix the scale of
residence at fifteen, years.. He wished to fix the rod-
. . tiencitat this remote period in order to make the titer-
. : Afire). as gradual as,powiihie. Ile thought that this
, nniendinept.of the law .of settlement would be 'the
„ pules of introdusiag. better habits! among the. lower or-
n.flets.,. tr!geee Mlle .change is 'wade in tilos. habits it'
I,,WOnta be in vain to hope. that Airy would ire ably to
,sherk .tibeamarch of pauperiem. The Honostrahle Gentle-
, Stan ii.iil that be dad not •prepise this change without
' .dellberatian and consulting.rompetent aistliorities.„
igen referiA to die Bereft .of the Committee of
•flo.tee,,in 11174. He swat Iltherieti to the opi-
t&h
opsitp„ of nir.•Colgalsoun, . who sprial.that asech of the
silia)lleta .10 hbe.poor. ores impttaido, to the lawn of settle-
#olo•" ildre•jlitt to h7Oli. Nitta Also of the law. of
• eionsomist. . lie tenanted 440104,tbe erEeketenteJle had, aged"
esi
••ii .
l,
Of Wheriti...ke:PO4 .4244. woelil obtain fur his
eistie:, i • ~ns e.t.,l4Nort ...far on r ila.hentring. He' could

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given rise to a course of embarrassing and expensive lid-
gelien." -
The Resolution being read from the Chair,
Lord ALTHORPE said he agreed so entirely in On.
eiple with the Honourable Gentleman that he should.
bare no hesitation in supporting his Resolution' with-
al( at all pledging himself to support all the details of
Its measure. He was very much afraid that the improve-
ment proposed by the Honourable Gentleman would
leave untouched, the great evil of the present law„
namely, expensive litigation. He could have wished to
seeteveral of the modes now, io existence-of obtaining
a settlement abolished; particularly that of gaining a
settlement by hiring for service for one year. This law
gave rise to tall sorts of quibbles.
Mr. SCARLETT supported the Resoletion. It had
been his intention, had the House gone into a Com-
mittee last year upon his.paotio'n, to bring in a Bill similar
in principle to the measure eow proposed to be carried
into effect. He thought that the alteration would tend
very much to diminish the elvince of litigation. lie was
sure it was in vain to attempt amending the Poor Laws
unless the evil was met at its source. The object of his
measure was to apply a remedy to several of the abuses
of the system, the unlimited amount of the rates, the in-
discriminate relief, and the third abuse was that intro-
duced by the 13th and 14th of Charles 11. for the settle-
ment of the poor. This, be contended, was the greas
source of the evils of the Poor Laws. This Statute was
truly described by the most eminent writer, on 00 jab.
gent, to be the ground of more decisions than any other
law on the Statute Book. Such were the results of this
law of settlement. There was a time when the poorer
classes were averse to be pat on the parish books. Wai
not this spirit rapidly decaying ? Were be a poor man
maintained by the labour-of his hands, be would insist
upon it that if the law kept him to a certain limit to la-
bour in, he would be entitled to be maintained there if
there was no opportunity for him to work. it was a law
of great oppression to the poor, therefore, as well as be-
ing a source of the most extensive and embarrassing liti-
gation. The Resolntions he supported with all his
heart ; but before he eat down be was anxious to say one
word upon this question, as connected with the agricul-
tural interest. • Many opposed the present measures bey
cause they thought they injuriously affected that interest
but, in Ms opinion, those who opposed them only ie.
creased the evils under which that interest at present
laboured. The effect of removals was, that as tong ail
the poor remained in health and vigour, they continued,
in the manufactoring towns; bat the moment their
strength failed they went to the-country, and bessnota
burden open the agriculturists. He therefore conceived
that the present measure, by equalizing the burthen on
both, was equally just and necessary. it then became a
contest between t lie manufacturing towns and the coun•
try, an inconvenience which the present measure would
completely obviate, by eqoalizing the burden on both. It
wen certain that the pooes•rates in towns were mach less
than in the country, proportionally to the property.
For instance, in Manchester, where the poor were well
and amply provided for, the poor's-rates were far lassie
proportion to the property than any where else. it
would be found that the agricultural counties were those
which were obliged to pay much the larger portion of
this tax. In Sussex, which was perhaps the most agri-
cultural county in England, and the population of which
was only two hundred thousand, though theproperty of
the county amounted to only 4004000 f, it seas assessed
for the poor's-rates at 265,600/.; while le Lancaster,
though the population exceeded one million, and the
property three millions, it was rated at only 214,0001. for
the poor's-rates. Now the only effectual mode of equaliz-
ing the burden he knew was by abolishing removals alto-
gether. The experiment suggested by his Hon. Friend
was one of great iroportaelse, and one which would, in
hi!' on, be of great benefit to the country. He
hived, therefore, that the Heine, by adopting hisilliese.
lotions, would justify his Hon, Prised i. puttingiliken
*Ube shape of a RE.
LOCKHART said, that Vying relief weeneleilid
obtained, it must be obtained frinporeystent different
.fnsm that which was now suggested:, -
.Me. PEEL suggested to hie Rod. Friend to withdraw
his Resolutions for the present, as it would be pledging
the House to a decition, for which they were not yet in
possession of sufficient information, nor.sitisfied upon the
rowels en which they were to proceed. The plan of his
Hon.- Friend would pledge the House to a principle which
wis not yet discussed, which required to be gone into at
considerable detail. If he would withdraw his Resolu•
tions for the present, and ask leave to bring in a Bill em-
bodying. the Resolutions, which would he circulated
through all the manufacturing districts, which were the
Most interested in it, and would call upon the House to
pledge itself to an early discussion next Sessien,ite would
at once assent to it. He hoped that his lion. Friend would
not refuse this prepaid**, coming.from a friend to the
measure. There was so much admitted evil in the pre-
sent system, that a remedy was certainly necessary. Per-
haps lefty farther discussion upon the question was there-
fore tionebesiaty at present.
Mr. MONCK expressed his' dissent from the Resolu-
tions, and hoped site Hon. Member world withdraw
them. Though be admitted the present system• was en-
cambered with malty wells, in his opinion they were to be
ramified enly by hi gradual extinction.
After soma observations from' Mr. W. and Mr. C.
fintrie
• Mr: SCARLETT said, that though -be agreed in the
principle of the Resolutions, he consented to their with-
•drawality hie' Hon. Friend, but hoped that he would
lose no time in bringing in a Bill founded upon them.
Col: WOOD then consented to withdraw the Reside-
tions, but gave notice that he would to-morrow ask for
leave to bring in a Bill which would embody them.
!FHB CHIEF BARON OF THE COURT OF EX-
• , CIIEQUER IN IRELAND.
- Mr. S. BJCF. said. that as the motion of which he had
given notice would not likely come °atilt a very late
hour, be would propose it stow, that it might be placed
on the Orders of the Day, and therefore come on for
discussion on any day that would suit the convenience of
the House.. He would therefore move, that the House
should, ou ,Monday, the 90 of June, go into a Committee,
to consider the..lteports of tire Commissioner* of In,
Auiry,lnto the fees and imsoluments of. time, ourts ofJus-
nee in Ireland, and particularly the fees and eMplautrats
of the Chief Baron of tha Copt t of Exchequer. He mould
also inovothst the Resolutions be printed,. for she pur-
pose of patting View into the hands of Members.
Mr. CANNING submitted to the Hon—Gentleman
whether it Would be fair to-print the Itesolutioas, and if
his purpose would not be equally answered by .layiag
them on the tittle ? • :
Mr. S. RICE said, that as his object was to facilitate'
the discussion when it came on ; and, shove all, without
pi,jiidicelo the indiviihial concerned, lie thought that
the purity of tlieliesaltrtions:would conduce to Olio effect.
However, be win quite ready to, adnpt tte atiggcejiou of '
;tirHen..gentlemmi, and woeld•unle yew_
Ibt on table. . ••
MreCANYINAI mid, that he suggested Akins& as
the one west likely-4e prevent _prejudice. Heenreese,. it
'skald be undeessoodobst thediesolutioaa waling brae.
erosible to any' Hentinrairle. Member "alto. wited for
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-st the
case ofjodicial reform. Indeed, he cosh' ont.belp. re-.
marking that tbe Courts of Law were at present too full
of changes, particularly the Court of King's. Bench. 2--
Within the space of ten years,' • more sweeping revels;
tion never occurred than tools place ill the Coen elCbes",
cery. To these changes he wished to interpose a peak
for inquiry, and he therefore looked on the present. (mtg.!
Ision for the support of all those who were hostile to evioi
ry innovation ; and, first of all, to unnecessary and cauetel
less innovation. In this subject there was mach whittle
ought to attract the attention of the House; for if, ter
years ago, a Noble Marquess allowed that evils did exist,
and if even the Member for Corfe Castle admitted thiq
the delay in the Court of Chancery amounted to a denial
of justice, how much greater were they now,after a mees;
sure which defeated itself and completely revolutionised'
the Court? existence of evils was admitted, and
that they required no ordinary remedy. He • therefore
knew not upon what grounds any opposition could be
made to a Committee of inquiry. A variety of remedies
had been proposed which enforced the necessity-of inqui-
ry, aid he would proheed to point them oat. The bra
in point of antiquity, was the proposition for separating
the Lord Chancellor from being prolocutor of the Hotted
of Lords—a plan which now gams credit...but which hid
its opponents as well as its advocates. . The second Wall
for cutting off the jurisdiction of the Chancellor freed
every thing connected with bankruptcy ; which ales
had its advocates and opponents. The third was, to
elect the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster into
a distinct and efficient officer of a Coen of his own.
The fourth remedy, which also had its advocates soil
opponents, was the appointment of Commissioners for
hearing g cotch appeals. The fifth was, that fon,'
Judges should be appointed, who would take upon
them the duty of deciding in all equity cases, the
Chancellor exercising an appellant jurisdiction. A,I
soggestion had been thrown out to a book which he hail
seen, that one or more of the Masters m;ght bear
causes by consent of the parties, which would in a great
degree spare the time of the Court. For his own part he
could sot take upon himself to pronounce in favour of any
experiment of all those that had been recommended ; and
it must be thee:Wetted that ten years ago the Noose was
content to legislate on recommendation alone, against all
the wisdom of prediction, and against all the weight of ar-
gument. The measure then adopted bad since been aban-
doned in effect.—(llear, hear.) He contended that there
was an admitted evil which required a remedy, 11114
fore they proceeded to uncertein legislation, they esibt
to know something of the subject. There were two state-
aunts of feels, which showed that the measure of 1818
bad completely failed. Ooe was that a Committee of to-
quiry was, rendered necessary, and the other was that the ;
very preamble of the Bill admitted the existence of the I
very grievances which it was now sought to remove. He
could not possibly see on what grounds Hosourable Oen.
tlemen opposite could oppose the meeting for" inquiry.
The motion which he bad to submit was not restricted to
gamiest propositions, It went
..on distinct and particular
grenade. It was sot, however, without diflicalty that he '
approached the question in reference to the Vice-Chan.)
cello:We Court. An individual, of great consideration It
that House, well said that every person who touched upon '
a publics grievance was in danger lest he should come near
persons of weight and authority, who would be rather ex-
asperated at the exposures of errors, than thankful for an
opportunity of correcting them. • lie was perfectly aware in
the present Instance, that some of hirobeervations could not
fail to apply in the highest legal quarter in these realms, but
he should not forget his own Inferiority as compared with the
exalted station of the eminent person who presided there. He
should not forget that he was at the bottom, and that dis-
tinguished person at the top of- his profession. The power
exercised by the Noble *rid Learned individual was as on-
eontroalable as that maintained by a fraternity, to whom al-
lusion had frequently been wedeln that liouse.—(A laugh.)
—With this difference, that he was certain of retaining it
during life, which was not the ca.e with them. In lair
be was never surpassed, perhaps not equalled, and his in•
formation ills is general as his memory was tenacious,
anti his experience unbounded. To these great and trans-
conduit qualities another attribute was added, which
materially detracted from theni—namele, a learned doubt-
false's. The doilfritandi partiestia, which Lord Bacon
mentioned in his description of a philosophic character,
was carried so far by him. that it almost abolished art)
destroyed the effect of all the other great qualities which
he potsessed. It was the belief of the suitors of the
Court that it operated setiously to their prejudice. He
apprehended that in matters of moral reason, to wait till
geriainty was come to op any, point—tills clear sod ,is;
evitable conclusion was arrived at, as in the pore and
alsstroct sciences, was a total perversienof the ground of
reasoning. The House no doubt remembered the story
of King Hiram, who proposed a c'ertaio question to the
tort Sinsonides. The latter took a day to considkr before
e returned an answer ; and on seeing the King again,
tweaked' for two days. The King acquiesced, but at the
next interview the poet required first tour, and then eight
age, thus going on is geometrical progression. At
Inet-the Kisg lost all . patience, and asked him why he
did not return an answer; but the philosopher replied,
" The longer time I take the more I doubt." Thus it
was that in the transactions of conscience doubt might be
tarried so far as to render decision impossible for any
practital purpose. To wait till the wind was satisfied in
all points sae as preposterous as the conduct of the
rustic who waited on the bank till all the water in the
river should have flowed down. It was a matter worthy
of serious inquiry, to as lain how far the present sys-
temin respect to the Court of Chancery was false, and
ought to be corrected. It was also worthy of inquiry to
see whether the system as it stood originally was, not
adeqnate to all the necessary purposes without any new
faogled alterations. As be wished to avoid dealing in
generals, he would state to the House some facts, from
which he would draw no inference, but would give them
just as lie had received'them. in :his respect he would
follow thenmaxiin of the Roman writer, "Ne quid fitiei
dieere audeat, me quid veri con cadent." 'He was pre-
pared to prove before a Committee of the f: nose, all the
facts which lie should state.—(Here an indication of
doubt was evinced by an lion. Member on the
till side--we believe Mr. H. Twiss.)
.He would again
say that he was prepared to prove the facts, and the lien-
.tfepsan who seemed to doubt them would be the first he
would call as a witness. If a man who was in the habit
of settling his accounts weekly, put them off for six
months, be would find them of great magnitude by that'
time ; but If he deferred them for six years, he would
-find them increased so much in bulk that the whole
would be derangement and disorder, and the business
'nista still-remain undone. lie stated this in partieular,
allusion to the Vice•Cliaocery.measure. ,Ths difficulties
of bringing matters to agree between one Court and
the other; the perpetual collisions and conflictions be-
tween the profes+ional persons engaged iii Both Courts,
together • lib various other vexations impediments
created by them, might subject persons in ordinary cares
to a-prosecution fir a combination, according to the
pros isions of the Bill ofbis lion.,Friend the Member for
Coventry, stitch defined' the !errs betweeen operators and
their employers. The present -stele of the Vice-Chancery
wine the necessary consequence of the delay which took
?late in doeldiag on causes hrought into the highest Court
la the realm: The Ifouseatereaware.that, last year, a re-
late hnd been made of the slate of business in the Court of
'Chancery, from the legr 1901 tothe beginning of 182-2. In
du year ISIS, when the Bill for establishing the Vice-Chan-
tenors Court -was introduced, the number of causes in ar-'
rear vas-rat ; theioambee of txceptions 13t, .of pleas, and
,‘Nalttlltill -161 odder raltearitigtil. •Tterd was glace an

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OE tke-ewle_measuce S. was.mol y Al,. *deb. ,sboweel -es in-
crease Of CO. lse November, 1892, the amber of re.hear-
logs and appeals was M. In the discussion which !Joh
piece nathasubject, last year, credit was gives for Weep-
peals said to have been disposed of between the years 1812
and 'lB2l. It Was assamed that the whole bad, in reality,
soled for certain returns to ascertain the teen, and he could
Men. disposed of _as business transacted. Ile had then
now stet* that 88 of the lumber lad been struck out of the
paper, and,only id disposed of in the mauler way of busi •
neits.Tfear, hear.)—From the time that the subject was
deprived .of his right to have his cause tried before the gm
Law Officer of the realm, by the especial Moor of his Lord-
ship, causes were never set down in his paper, bat were
heeded over as a matter of course to the Vice-Chancellor,
_es were also eases of exceptions, further direction pleas,
and demurrers. The' Chancellor's paper was now cat down
to petitions, motions. and appeals. From the year 1800 to
1821, the Chancellor had only beard eighteen ceases. in the
course of the eight years preceding Hilary Term, 189• a, the
Vies Chancellor hid dec-led on 14,600, whereas the Chan-
cellor had given his decision only on 3,163 in that time ;
Btile more than one-third. These facts could not be coo-
troverted ; they appeared from the papers on the table. If
he had selected eases from information given him by the
prattitioners of the Coed during a period of 90 years, he
might be told by Gentlemen opposite that those were only
exceptions to the rale. Bat every instance he adduced came
from one oaks, and was vouched for by docitments, soma-
of which were founded on affidavit. —(Hear, hear.) Pie
would go hither wed say, that if his object was to make
selections fanin the statements of Oedema, they might want
tne &at authenticity, for solicitors were afraid to give :1.-
formatlon,. lest by so dieing they might injure the cause of
their ellents.—(Hear, hear.) Tkii he knew to be a feet,
though's° such coasideration'sbontd ever make him neg eel
his duty in that House; while at the same time it afforded
as additional reason why he should confine himself to one
particulate question for his Information.* The cases of (1,--
, lay which he should bring forwavd were all of them founded
on indisputable facts. The Put cause 'was that of Braun
against De Tastet. A. hill ram tied for au account, and a
decree was made outhy the Master of the Rolls, and an ac-
count taken in the year 1812. An appeal against that de-
eree was made is the same year, which, however, did not
come on for hearing before the Chancellor till the year
lute. That was not alp Another consequence of the re-
port made by the Masier at the time was .au appeal preti-
otasly to the Vlets-Caancellor, which was heard ill 1546.
The report of the Master was made in 11116, and there we:
then an appeal to the Vice-Citaneellor against that report.
Not less than 1/001. were expended on the proceedings thus
ilie without prodUcing any siiventage. An exception beia;
taken to the Master's report, it was set aside. An appeal
Was then made (rem the Vice-Chsneelior's decision to the
Chancellor, who am aside the original decree °Me Master
Of the Molls, and sent the case back again to the Vt.:a-Chan-
eellor. in consequence of this step, the report of the Mas-
ter, es well as the 80W., had all become Immaterial total('
Issue. He should now state something as to the interior of
$ cease with relied to expense. A sum. of 12 Is. 841.. teel -
Pickily called "Term Fees," was. paid to the Solicitor.
from the time the bill was first filed till the cause came out
of Chancery, which, according to Hudibras, would net hap-
pen while a man had any more money left. While the cause
was on the paper, the Solicitor nes entitled to 10s.; and
from the time it got a part hearing, the Clerk In Comic
and the Solicitor claimed If. 18 ~ as their regular fee.—
Those cases had long journeys to travel, and the gentle-
men at the Chancery bar were not inclined to make these
journeys without proper refreshers- (a laugh)--but as to
the pour suitors there was no refresher tor them, they
were made to travel on without stage or refreshment/ or
one c.onfortable spot to rest their wemied limbs on, or
from which they could see the end of their journey. The
next case which he had to mention to the House a as that
of Oldham e. Tooke, which was a case of debt, and in
which a bill was filed in 1816, an answer was put is by
the opposite party in 1816. That answer stated that
1,200. was left oy a testator to be di- tributed riccovainr
to the directions mills will. Exceptions were taken to
that answer, and those exceptions were alloived in the
end of 1516. The cause continued in the Court of Chat-
eery through the years 1516, 17, IS, 19, 20, 21, aol
1822, and the only cause of delay was, to deck'. whether
the answer was satisfactory.—(Hear, hear.) There were
no fes%er than sixty-four attendances for 'the decision of
that pint, and the cause remained still andecide I. Tins
next case he had to state was treat of Whitech urch r.
Oldbody, in which a bill was filed in 1811, to prevent
the cutting down of timber, and an injunction obtained.
A special case was aft. rwards given fur the decision of
the Court of King's Bench. 'I lie certificate of that
Court was returned into Chancery in the year 1515, but
the case remained on the books of that Court without a
heating, during the years 1816, 17, 15, and 1819. and it
was sent in 1520 to the Viee-Clianoellor's Court, as if
the journey was good for it.—(A lsugh.) For the same
reason possibly tt was again brought from the Vic,.
Chancellor to the Lord Chancellor, in 1521, where it still
remained, after numberless attendances and dery s, of
course, though the certificate of the Court of King's
Bench, was 'sent up in 1815'. The next case was that of
Bellingham v. Bromley, for the specific performance of
an agreement, in which the Lord Chancellor's opinion
was said to be in favour of the defendant. He regret-
ted that that Noble and Learned Lord-seldom failed
to bring with him an almost decisive opinion in the out-
set of the ease, but afterwards discovered doubts and dif-
ficulties. and let the case linger on through 1818, 19, 20,
1 21, and 1822, without giving one single opinion. The
next case was the last but one with which he wished to
trouble the House, whose patience, he feared, was al-
ready exhausted. It was the case of Powell v. Sergeant
and others, which was brought io 1813, into the Court of
Chancery,where it remained for nine years. To the bill
filed in that case there was a demurer, founded on the
question how far Sergeant ought to be made defendaut,
or whether he should be made defendant at all. That
was the question raised, and it liezered in Court till 1821,
for a decision on that preliminary point—a point which,
be was confident, the lion. Member for Exeter (Mr. Ir-
Coartenay) would decide in half an hour it cost as
less than eighty attendances. There was one other one
with which it was his bounden duty to trouble the Hotta.
He did not briug merely the general heads of that :aw.
but had in kis possession the papers belorigiog to at to
speak for themselves. It was the ease of Weir ceded,
in which there were two bills filed, an original aid sal'
plemental bill, and which was decided in 1821 by the
Lord Chancellor. The decision was afterwards tsjetlid
to on the ground's that the decree was surreptitionly eta
tained to the exclusion of one of theparties. Thom groan&
were set forth in an affidavit of the solicitor .o thee:•
eluded pt.* S. (Here the Hon. and Learned Bert. read at
length the affidavit, -laid a letter fro: s the sarnesolicitor to
the Lord Chancellor compls ining of the usage lithe Corti
by which the cause being sometimes put at the head of the
cause paper, and, when be attended with Cleanse', being
pot lower.down.) He had *lsom) office copy of the bill of
costs furnished to the party in that case feria-which bees
desirous to rem 1 to the House some of the Charges, one of
which was 13s. 4d. for writing that letter to the Lard
Cliaatellor on the subject of the cause. Then attending
the Lord Chancellor to his private roan in that cans
was cherged.l3s. 4d. For the clerk and his solicitor st•
tending in-Court in the cause, 21. ; that was on the sap
,plemental hill, 11.: and the like fee tee original Ws&
—(A ',augh.) Attending the Lord Chancellor in hispri•
vale room, when he requestedidffaigence till tomsorroc
—(Lcitid laughing), I;ss. 4d. A wood attendance, 131-
4d.,. and the life fur the original cause.-( •11211
Attending his Lordship at a' enaferace in his priritt
room by his own desire, 13..44 and the like in the ore I
gidat caust.' obinned laughing.) Having stated •
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lit House. by ar- support of the late Sectetari of stati for Foreleg affairs, 61, In the year ISMI. la Michaelmas Term, UM, the num-
aware of MI opposition which itos.ld- eacesio.tey,try tr ber of Causes In arrest was 141, and the pleas and demur-
system, .ho would despair.of success, because he wtis
tee of which to the . principle of his Resolu ions. lie then nsoved
position to innovation. I rinnovation was objected loon rers were more than doubled. The number ,of re-heariags
' The Toll-owing Resolution :—''' That the Carious provi-
er coned the oec 'on wait ill stron er in the and a Is in 1817 0
g ppes was I 1, whereas, at the oesuseseement
sione of the laws tor the settlement of the poor kis 'gel .g . 14 . bi II •st
reel indirnent at
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