The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-06-09 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

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lenble Marquis hat acted with his usual mahltneitift-'lll4mtelieee mein* Cf .trieseeret yea ' •
eagement of which been entrusted, should be restored. C . •. ,: • ee day; mid if it v-- tne intention of the Right lion.
c, ming forward e not to explain, but_ to reemiseet they- Were the instruments ; and lam as confident i nothing that could induce bit elope floe- et re. Gentleman to I• eig forward his motion on Tildes- •
,ne., justiciable distlisetneis, the .oXplreßSlOnilfe ella. of the'faCtaa lamof my existence, that the pro-. call his gracious purpose, we did eutertift, ie. .‘ of day, ae inters'. ato bring torso al If •own Fr' I
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-.1 on is former ocassion. [Hee hear V] The crastination anddelay so much
[,loved ,
stapmeni, Ise has made in confirmation carried cone ' arisen from no other cause than an anxiety to form 1 —Ukar, hear !]—we —we were disappointed ; ye; to the day.
,infect to my mind, and I believe to that of the an Administration calculated to retrieve 'the na non !•first proposition made by the Noble Marquis, con- Lord CASTLEREAGH rose to acquaint the
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]louse- hear!]—that the words were not' from its present calamities. But are they to compel fessedly without authority, we returnedae answer, House, that the Marquis Wellesley having resigned
pied inadvertently ; an ff ..thad entertained a hope ''us to resign securities which we conceive necessary to which sheaved,d' ' •
our ispesitton to conciliate, in com• the power with which he was vested by his Royat
;sat they were unfounded, the 'speech of the Noble the preservation of 'our honour? [Hear, hear 1]..... i pliatico, with the general wishes of' the nation. The Highness the Prince Regent, for the formation of a
Earl (ifarrowby) wield have completely disap- ,Thus much, my Lords, I felt myself hound to say in I next step was the renewal of the proposition with full new Administration, without having accomplished
towed it ; .for although in the first instance he in- i consequence of what fell from the Noble Earl, and powers, although the Noble Marquis had previoUsly I that object ; and another Noble Lord, the Earl of
aigHlajltly pleaded pot guilty to the charge of per- iin conclusion, I have only to request that your Lord- .in vain solicited authority to explain, what he ima- Moira, having this morning also surrentlered the
sena► animosity, he occupied nearly the whole of his „ships will bear in mind, that when attempts were , galled had been misconceived. My Noble Friend , powers with which he had been subsequently rested,
„pees, not en a denial of its existence, but in ai made to induce us to join the New Administration, (Earl Moira), with thatfratikness which characterizes his Royal Highness had this day nominated the Earl
statement of language and reasoning in justification of it was only to be accomplished by a departure from him, commeueed his negociation, and he will do us of Liverpool to 1w First Lord of the Treasury, and
the feeling which operated upon him and his friends l principles, to the maintenance of which, we have the justice to admit, that he was met with equal shi- ' communicated powers to him to form a new Admi-
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in rejecting the proposal made by the Noble' Mar- I pledged-oar lives, and what I trust is still dearer, crity and liberality. To avoid any delay that might , nistration. In such a state of things, he would pat -
cue. I admit that it is pailiful to be convnicecl that' our honour."
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”eal animositye itt times tike these, can be found I Earl MOIRA.—• " The Noble Loki who has just struck my mind, and in consequence, the Noble• Earl ' lions, whether they thought it proper that questions -
to agitate any bosom; but•l am gratiffed at the pro- taken' his seat, has made alletions to transactions in broke offthe intercourse, declaring that he could pro- : ' of such vital importanceimportanceto the country should bed's-
(veiling we have this night witnessed, because it has which I was concerned as the authorised negociator, ceed no further. That he acted conscientiously I have , cussed in the absence of an Administration.
Given my Noble Friend an opportunity of giving an in which he has contended, thatl was imposed upon. no doubt ; but the impression upon my mind; from all 1 Mr. CANNING said, as far as he was concerned,
c,yiptaflation regarding the pubtiestion oil certain pa- p lie haegiven me all credit for candour and liberality, the circumstances, was. that which I before stated to 'he had no objection to take ally day for his motion ;
per, which has relieved, him from the charge of im- i but I shall not consent to be paid off by this general your Lordships. Hereafter an opportunity will bu . but there was one difficulty in the *ay, that the day
propriety, and it has besides removed from the mind i compliment to my honour, at the expence of my un- afforded of more detailed examination.of the causes after his motion had been fixed on by the lion. and
of the Noble Earl opposite a most oppressive bur- derstanding; I shall not be satisfied with being told of that strong impression, the statement of which i Learned Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) for bringing
den. No allusion having been made to my conduct, !Butt I conducted myself with frankness, but that I was called forth by what was stated by the Noble ; forward his motion on the subject of the Orders in
or to that of my frriends, during these trans. was only a dupe, and that I was not aware of the , Earl (Harrow by) on the other side of the House. If r Council ; but lie had no &nen that that. Hon. and
actions, I should not now have risen to trouble ' designs to which I was instrumental. I sure the .I am wrong, the House will be able to decide, and I 7Leerned Gentleman would also consent to a pos.-
the noose, were it not for e. remark that dropped House that I would never have undertaken the nege. , lament if their decision be not such as to confirm t ponement. He should, therefore, on that under-
from the Noble ESA IHaercierby) tearer& the dation at all, if there had been a single perticle of • those seutiments which I found it impossible to re. istunding, name Thursday, the 18th, for bringing for-
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conclusion of hie' speech. He stated, that in conse- preservation in the authority with which I was en- press." . t ward his motion.
guence of
.the Yote of the House of Commons, de.; trusted.—[Hear, hear !]-1 appeal to your Lord- . Earl MOIHA•—" I ant sincerely happy to assure 1 Mr. MARTIN, of Galway/ said/ he had given no-
daring theneenetWenetles Noble Friends had deemed ; ships, after the evidence I have given, knowing, as the House that lam completely satisfied, and I trust 1 tice of a motion to the seine effect as that of the
it proper to resigu the situations which they then oc. you do, the confidence reposed in my advice by' the that if I said any thing to create an unpleasant im- I Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Canning), in the view
copied, and to which they are now restored. In my Illustrious Personage who now presides over the pmts.:too, it is as completely effaced from his recol- ! that that Right lion. Gentleman might be called to
judgment they acted rightly and constitutionally in ! state ; when I have proved to you and to the cowl- lection as what he stated is -from my own. Into fill a high official situation • but after what he had
so doing; and if this conduct haul been different they try that no seduction of power, no object even of ho- what passed between me and an Illustrious Person- i just board, be should now wit'hdraw his motion.
would have set an example that might been fatal , eourable ambition, could induce me to recommend to age, it would be indelicate for me here to enter, nor Mr. ROSE wondered that the Hon. Gentleness
to the practice of the Constitution. But it now ap. , the Prince Regent any Administration I did not think will it be more proper that in this stage, I should (Me. Brougham) should entertain a wish to bring
forward his motion on so early a day, when he:hnew
pears that they are re-placed in those offices, and competent to the dangers of the times; I say I appeal dwell upon the various e.auses of delay beyond
i that one-fourth part of the evidence was not yet
Laving before thought it their duty to withdraw, they ! to your Lordships, whether you believe it possible that , those alluded to by my Noble Friend. I trust I have
now feel it equally their duty to resume situations i I could commence so arduous an undertaking with my • adopted that generous spirit throughout these p
Mrinted.
r. BROUGIIAM, called on, as he had been,
from which they had beets driven by a
.vote of the i hands tied, as the Noble Lord has described, or so transactions, without which I should have been
wished to set the House right as to the motives of his
House of Commons, which declared them incapable, blind's nottocomprehendthe nature of theproposition afraid to act, and which is in truth, only a kind of
conduct, and to explain his reasons for peraisting in
of conducting the affairs of .the nation. They have.; I was commissioned to make 2—[Hcar,hear!]--Is it ; honour. If the point alluded to by the Noble Earl,
now, however, retaken their seats, that the Govern. fit that such general and indefinite assertions should be on which my negociation terminated, had been such i his intention to bring forward his motion on Thursday
mere may not fall into the hands of persons of whose I made? I call upon the Noble Lord to state distinctly in my view as he represents it in his, I should have I next. The objection of the Right lion. the Vice-Pre-
principles and measures, according to their asser- I and explicitly the point to which healludes.—[Hear I held myself deeply criminal if I could have eon- sident of the Board of Trade, that ene-fourth part of
sistent with the fact. There were seventeen parts of
tion, the country universally disapproves.— II do /mist, in the face of the world, that through the suited the feelings of any individual,. even of that I
the evidence was not yet priuted, was totally inron.
It May, perhaps, be necessary that I should enter who's progress of my negociatiou with 'the Noble personage who fills the exalted station of the First
snore at large into the mucous which governed my 1 Earl cod the Noble Lord I stated, beyond the possi. Magistrate of the State. My opposition to the wishes the evidence ; he had himself seen the sixteenth part,
cantluct,and as a key and explanation to them, I beg bilityof misapprehensiou, that my instructions were of my Noble Friend arose from this circumstance, , printed •; there remained therefore only one part to
to state, that the attempts made to form an Admini. of the most liberal and unlimited nature. The whole that I conceivedet to be in the first instance improper Ibe priuted; and he had learned from the Vote Of-
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as far as we were included, were made upon of tie transactions shall, however, appear before in point of form for me to comply with them, and in ! fice that that pert would be delivered in tbe course
of the present day; so that, in point of fait, the
the following terms to-That we should be morally i the public, and they shall judge whether I attempted the next, that had I complied, the consequences
certain that the' principles which we have maintained i any imposition, or any imposition was attempjed would have been singularly tnischievoits. Ihit in ne- • whole evidence would be printed and delivered
and acted • upon through life would be over-ruled in I upos me. The transactions from beginning to end gociations of this kind, for the sake of removing ill- i• before to-morrow. It was exceedingly painful
the Cabinet.--[fieee, heir, hear 1 I had a strong I were conducted with an austerity of fairness, if I grounded suspicions, is it incumbent. upon me .to !to him, in the pteseut state of the country, and
suspicion (lad' will fairly confess that the existence I may use the phrase, which is, perhaps, unparalleled. resign that judgment I ant called upon to exercise ord the distracted state of the Gnosnment, to think
of such a feeling. as Suspicion did operate upon styli claim of the Noble Earl a statement of the parti- the part of my Sovereign and the Public [Hear, lof being obliged to persiSt in' motion and if it
mind, with reeesrd to •the"..proposal made) of that ! clear, that [may repel it in as haughty a tone as he hear!) Was it reaimiable to expect that I shout/ ! had beets a motion like that even of the Right Hon.
Which has now been distinctly and unequivocally i ventured to assert it. My Lords, I feel that I have' give up my notions of right and wrong ? And upon : Gentleman (Mr..Canotin) he should at once hire
granted,either that we Were not to beadmittodintothe 'not deserved this reproach :itis a disgrace which I that, and that alone, the negociatioa was broken off.' consented 'to postpone it; but in a question of' the
Cabinet at all, or that we aftre to be bound down Ido not merit, tad which I cannot bear : if he can The Noble Earl is conscious that I came to the sub-
! nature of that which he was to bring forward, to
in such it manner thae tbes public should have so.e bring forward but the shadow of proof, that even ' ject unfettered in every way ; not an individual was delay it was to risk the safety of the country itself.—
eurity, that the priaelpiee and measures to which, unknowingly I submitted to be made such an instro- named for a seal, and no place was pointed out even [Bear I—He would ask those who had read the last
during ourwholeperilamentaryeabiteneeiwOhmisos ment, I will bow my head to his reproof, and to the for myself. I was met in a manly way, and with the advices from America, whether, if they stood in his
Pledged should be decidedly over-rula. Iffereltelee degradation that must easue ; if be cannot, ' I will , same spirit I resisted and rejected the preten%ions 'of situation, and had his responsibility, which he him. .
I.appeal to the house, I appeal to the country, a fit, 'repel the blow as proudly as 'twas given? Person- i the Noble Earl. The nature of that pretensiou,sll4.llelf_certeiely felt to be very great, they would advise
a decent proposal for us to accept?—[Hear, heir, Illy to the Noble Earl I address nothing : lie has ' its all probability, h . aforwards discussed, for the' lim to consent to a delay which might be attended
with such • ruinous consequences to the country I_
hear!) Whitt is there in my conduct, what' is spoken of me as a public man, acting in a public present I beg to assure him that lam perfectly sails-
Whilst they were delaying from day to day, to see
there in my life, which should induce even a-mo. capacity, and I demand of him, as a public man, a i lied with the explanation he has afforded."
1 - whether an Administration could be formed, com•
reenter)+ belief, that I would consent to degrade my- further explanation ; for, according to my judgment, I Lord GRENVI,LLE.e.-", My Lords, for one
table with the secret wishes of this or that indivie
self into an instrument, a toolietts accomplish the perhaps imperfect, I have discharged my duty with a', shall be well conteeted to allow this matter to rest, In e •
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designs of others ?—[llcar, hear la—Was it really proud severity of conscience. I state ;gain, that until the public judgment, from information afforded uttat—Whillst
_Tat or thatcabal intrigue was .
a or ,
Feliered that I would now support measures I have 4 there never was on the most insignificant point the , can be delibeiattly !droned; but as an individual rYmil on—whits . parties were adjusted and ba.
lanced, and whilst it was considered whether
strenuously and uniformly condemned ?-4hall I !slightest reservation, or hint of . reservation : the i concerned in receut events' lay in my claim to as-
this
or that branch should resign for the purpose
permit ms self for an blatant to indulge the idea, that 1 powers given to me were complete and ample, and • sett, and when required, to prove, that in every part.
of strengthening Administration—what was hap.
• . . . '-abir ' wherever limited, they were limited only by my own where our conduct was implicated, it was not on a
•• _. __ - sir - all the time in America ? [lear, hear!]—

pening _.—[t. ,
They were endangering the safety of the country, for
the sake of preserving certain personal connections
[No, from the Ministerial side]. But what was
their interests, in comparison with those of the com-
merce and manufactures of England ? [Hear!] Be
would implore the House to reflect on what might
happen from their yielding to this delay. There were
interests at stake of persons over whom he had no
controul. He alluded to the one hutideed delegates
who were anxious to return to appease their hungry
workmen, thousands of whom Were looking with
painful concern to the determination of the House,
to know whether they were to starve or be suffered
to live. While intrigues and cabals for places at
Court or in Administration weregoing on, the House
had a plain course to pursue. They were engaged in
an enquiry; .there was a full Parliament, and there
was one responsible Minister, the Earl of Liverpool.
In point of fact and substance, what did the House
lose? There was a plain question before them, and
it was tlleir part to do their duty. He wished to say
one word before he sat down, with respect to the .
person who had just been announced as Prime Minis-
ter. In spite of the declared sentiments of Parlia-
ment as to the incompetency of this seta Ministers
to meet the present crisis [No, no ! from the*Minis.
_ , aerial Bench]—the fact he would maintain was so—
HOUSE OF COMMONS. I the House had recorded their incapacity—the House'
• were now to be told that this was not a time for per.
Lard BINNING moved that the Epport of the Committee on
the Mail Coach Exemption Bill should be pottpooed to-Friday suing the discussion, because Lord Liverpool had
sr.( I.—Ordered. been appointed Prime Minister ; he should therefore
Mr. LOCKHART have notice, that int Monday next he should
move for eartiry into the state of vie Palate Court. move that the Call of the House be postponed to
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Mr. BA NIELS moved that the thini reading of the Sinecure. Friday next`
Bill be postponed to Friday next if it was the anion.
Sir S. ROMILLY potpourri hotion foram Eoquiry into ' ' 14111:CMTLEREAGn said,
the Stator of the Cone Gaol of Lincoln to Friday_next. tion of ske Hon: Gentleman to persist in bringing
•Mr. W. POLE brought in the Irish Customs-BEL which nal forwargi,his motion, he should be compelled 10 take
toad a 6,st time, and ordered to be rout &second time
.I.W. to-1°"" the sense of the House whether they would allow o.
1 Mr. W. POLE moved a Committee of the House og the Irish -question
of an Admi of thitmagnitude to b
The lion ande discus Learned
in the abo
Lelia Bill.—Report ordered to be brought up to-morrow.-morrow.lence nistration.
0 Mr. DICKINSON moved the postponement of the third read- Gentleman
Allig
of the Canny *Apes Rai till to-morrow. u had thought proper to mix a great dleil
CALL OF THE HOUSE.—NEW ADMINISTRATION. of desultory matter with his notice. This was not
Mr.-BROUGRAM seeing a Might lion. Gentled the first time he had had occasion to complaln of the
Man (Mr. Canning) in his place, wished to know if desultory notices of that Honourable Gentletein,
it was hie intention to bring forward the motion of who was in the habit, on all occasions, of throwing
whieh he had given notice, for an Enquiry alto the out assertions on all subjects which were not groun
state of his Majesty's Roman Catholic Subjects of.,ed in accuracy of statement. Nothing could be to
Ireland, on Thursday next. - cConsistent with the duty of a Member ef Parliament,
Mr. CANNISG. had no objection to bring for., than to declare his intention to proceed with his ono.
ward his motion on an early day, but under all the ' Hon on a day when there was no existing Adminis.
eircumstances of the case he did not think he could tration, and particularly on a question on which; 29
bring it forward on Thursday next. the lion. Gentleman had stated, the fate of the
Mr. BROUGHAM said, the reason hunt he asked tountry depended. He did not think the rots
the Right Hon. Gentlemen was, that his ion on able Gentleman would wish to erect himself into
the stablest of the Orders In Council Steed for that as Administration. With respect to America, ho

any man could dare to hope that for the despicable ___.., _
emoliments of office, I would barter the principles that !sense of what was due to the public. I now call up- pretension, as the Noble Earl terms it, but on a dif.
have actuated my life, or that I would now at once ion the Noble Earl more satisfactorily to explain his ference regarding a most important point of the Con-
abandon those measures which, in my opinion (form- ; meaning." 1 stitution, necessary, as we conceive, to the good Go-
ed after no little labour and experience), are men. ; Earl GREY.—" In what I addressed to your'. vernment of the Empire; that our dissention was
tial to the salvntion of the State ?—[Hear, hear!]— Lordships, I meant to guard myself most cautiously founded. My Noble Friend ask', whether it was to
My Lords, I wish to make no lofty pretensions to against personal imputations; above all, apiest such be required of him that he should saciiece his judg-
11;smterestedness : I ask-for nothing but what Lhave as could be directed to the Noble Earl. The tone, ment to our wishes 2—Such a desire would be pre.
a right to claim: my life is before my country, and • however, that has been assumed in reply to my re- , posterous ; but let me likewise ask your Lordships,
my countrymen shall be my judges.—[hear, hear 1 , marks, shall not prevent me from stating that which and 1 request you to ask yourselves, whether our
hut lam aware that I have a duty to perform to my j I deem correct. The Noble Lord and the House judgment was to be yielded to the Noble Earl on
friends, and a duty to discharge to my country; to ' baows that of his integrity and honour I never had ' points of material and fundamental importance, when
those friends, to whose steady and honourable attach. the slightest suspicion ; nor did I venture an insinua. the question was no less than this, whether we could
anent I owe so much, and to that country whose mis-! tins to their disparagement. Not ouly has such been : eons ea to become efficient Members of an Admini-
tot tunes and whose miseries I so deeply deplore.--i rerconduct Id this place,. but I appeal to my friends 1 stration formed on a principle, which, in our delibe-
There is no man more anxious than myself, as far as ' round me, with. whom I have privately- conversed, i rate opinion, was calculated to overthrow the ee-
ls consistent with my honour, to outstretch a feeble: whether au expression of that nature ever escaped me. ; knowledged practice of the Constitution ?--I will
but a ready hand to save the sinking nation : when-' [Hear, hear 1-IHowever erroneous I have thought ; not trouble the House longer now, by a more minute
ever my humble services are called for there is no • hens judgment, which was never swayed but by the ge- I examination of the question, but I thought these few
danger that shall appal me, to difficulty front which , perosity of his heart, I have ever paid a profound re- 1 words necessary, that the principle on which we pro-
I shall shrink.--[Year, hear!].-Give me leave, ; r.rence to his motives. lam really at a loss how to I eeeded might not be mistaken or misrepresented.—
however, my Lords, to remark, that I •stand in a si.! elate to the House the impression made upon my mind 1. Farther I will not now proceed, but when the subject
Illation in which I am justified in sayiug, that unless tby the whole of these transactions, in any way that' is discussed in detail, the House, as has been already
I am called to Covernment consistently with the I will carry with it conviction. It is true I have remarked, will discover what is fit that Parliament
principles I have throughout professed: unless I am !constantly remarked an unwillingness ,to come should take upon itself."
allowed to recommend and support measures in the Ito the point, not on the part of the Noble • -The questiofi of adjournment Was then put from
Cabinet that I have recommended and supported in j Earl, not on the part of the Noble Marquis, the Woolsack, and the House, in consequence, ad-
the House unless I can still act with that honour it has' but on the part of the htdividual who was to jourued until this day.
been my pride hitherto to maintain, there is no extre. ',give effect to the negotiation they bad conducted.
unity of poverty which I would not embrace with t What is the history of these transactions ?more '.4
cheerfulness, and no accumulation of misery that I ! The Noble Marquis, in the first instance, V
mould not endure with resignation, rather than con. ' the proposal to us which he has this night read:lo,l
sent, by the abandonment of character, to lose that by con.'
House. Was our answer to be termed a rejection
which dignity and wealth should ever be accompa.l of the proposition ? For a whole week we had no
nied,rllear, hear!]--For myself, my Lords, I communication from the Noble Lord, and the. next
m ill 'never become one of any 'Government, unless' intimation we received from biro was, that his coat-
i have complete security and assurance that the prim- i misillon was sugpended. In what was that interval
ciples I have professed shall be fully and fairly die- lof a week employed 2 Not to introduce us tato the
cussed, and the measures adopted, and with these ' Connells of the Prince, but to attempt to connect
sentiments I have now little prospect of being called ; the Noble Marquis with Noble Lords whom Ilse
to the Councils of my Sovere;gn. I would rather* at ; see ths the opposite side of the House, to our elem.;
any time enjoy mental tranquillity than personal ease,. pion. ',Hear, heat!] I doubt not that the Noble'
and resting on the bosom of my couotty, I shall " Lord acted rightly iu waking the proposal ,• 1 hart
pity her sorrows, and lament that I am not permitted already stated to the House ,that proposal, and i
to attempt their relief.—[Hear, hear !]--I lamented i have' the satisfaction of believing, that there was
in the speech of the Noble Earl opposite (Ilarrowby) not a Peer present; whether py political Mends;
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to witness a spirit which in these distressful times or my adversaries, who 111111 not convinOod, that
cannot be too much deprecated, and which was to such an offer we could not have with h ,
far from the mode in which it has been met on nour consented. Now stooli our affairs in the cons.
this side of the Noose. I impute nothing to de. reencement ? His Majesty's Goveenmeut was eon.
sign, but certainly the contrast is striking. In tinned is the hope of the recovery of the King, bet
my intercourse with the Noble Marquis and my at the same time we reeeived assurances, that lOW
Noble Friend (Moire), I have discovered nothing Royal Father should not be restored, and the Prince
hut an unceasing and earnest desire to ephel. 111101141 assume the reins of Government, ho would;
bate: they had nothing in view but the general . act oPoo those principles Imbed formerly euterMied
good, and I am *sodas! that Al were mot -ao/ that the C 003111411100 with which be bad at

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