The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-03-10 00:00:00

shape.
• Lord LAUDERDALE objected, in a pointed
summer, to the terms used.in the introduction of
the Bill, which, he said, were incompatible with
• liwic or common sense.
.logic
REDESDA I,E entered into a long and
minute defence of the terms -
particularly of the word`"
asserted was strictly, .legally,
correct, although applied to
which had expirad4 and he

ORDER OF THE DAY.
Lord DARNLEY now ruse, and hoped to
avail himself of eil;s incilental digression, to c• ti
their Lordships' attention to the Order of thu
Their Lordshir sc. sqmrnoued, owing
purpose of inquir.
of t.ht,t Military Es.
from this country.
passel by, pro.

toilet it.: trill ire.
A 'aids to rowan an
scene; Systematic in '
course. _ it, there was clearly
some design, on the part of his Majesty's Go.
,eminent, to degrade' that House in the 'eyes of
the world :' there was, he mast say it, 66 a deli.
berate and systematic attempt" of that description.
[lkar, hear!] . No time was given them to thiuk
of Bills, no information t permitted respecting
them. Bills were thus hurried through that House,
" with the hard yoke of necessity on them."
Ignoraut of its tendency-, when' certain measures
came before the- House, their Lordships were
either called upon to enact nonsense, or they were
told, that, if they did not do so, inconvenience
would ensile to the public service. He, however,
I-would entreat their Lordships to look nut only at
' the substance of what they were doing, but also
to its manlier and form. Speaking of this mea. .
sure, could they, he *mild ask, continue that, ' •
which had ceased to nisi ? [I ear, hear!' with t ' • ,
ilargh ..] Ministers, Lading oh branch of }ho • '
Legislature troublesome enough just now-tf 4 . .
laugh 0-.-were determined, as a matter of eonee. .
nieuce to themselves, to slacken in their often.
tion to that Ifouse. Formerly the agricultural •
interistrof the country were deemed, worthy of •
attention,• hist now all Was reversed! Par trot*
desiring it, he would oppose the extension of tiiis .
restrictive injustice to Ireland ; yet he would oeu. 7.
test tho proleription of England. IloWcwer en.
palatable his sentiments might be to Old _N le '.,
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Lord's opposite, he was determinid no gitlis —., .:-
duty. [Mary hear!] The ~ a present ;II WU .• -
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direct violation of the erticleaWf: Aliits•lfe- ,; .• --..,
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tween Britain and ireland. •Mfao
filijigto
that lawful fey thaiurn-gtoits, _lkr _..
' was illegal in the corn.grower. or . ...
thereby sepatiting the interests 6f thettlati
tries, and disuniting their sympathy ?
Lordships could not so deal with mitionaPe
pacts ; with a compact, particularly, on'
faith of which the people of Ireland siirretifek _
6tbeir best pledge, their own indepetidendlntgisli-
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ture. •
Lord LIVERPOOL.* referring to titktabio . •
'Baron's charge against Ministers, of oleo:mottle • •
plan, on their part, to degrade that Ilutisee. t1e...,
died, itathoritttively, such charges If tiae,cialge ~• ~ •'.,1,
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had come less frequently froin. the Noble Baroo-k- • • -
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if* bad not made_ part of each of his groat
speeches for sonic time puts he, for one, should i' •
have al ski more deference to it. [Year, hearl] ,
Sufficient time had heen'alloWed fur the Bait, and
the stile point now wars Whether it was clitediesie • .'
that the Bill shritild continue fife another year. •
Importations of corn were still (mind to be Ise- •
cessari: There was in the Bill no riolstion of
the principle of. Union between Gteat Britain and .
Ireland. '
Lcird A BARDEtN Opposed Of stage of the
Bill. lie deprecated not having listened. to the
petitiohs at the 3ar. This was shutting the deers
in A most ungracious fattener, against all reason-
strdoohl and denying relief. pear, hear !I
Whatever benefits might cum; to the West in.
diets planters, they would ',cote but transiew,
while the injury resulting tv agriculture n veld .tio
permanent.
Lord SI DMOUTII trusfel that their Lord-
ships would reject the Bill, as opposed to the
soundest principles of political economy. Circum.
stances were entirely changed since its nrigitiAl
`adoption, Superfluous cOusumption was, Ito
thought, the best granary for superfluous produc. .
, tion. The high price ot corn was but a teiOor4.•
ry evils to be borne with fur the sake of great
eventual good. It was also bad policy to envie.
rage the produce of those islands, which must be
redtorcd to the enemy in the event of making
petite, and from whose resources the Ruler of
France hoped to derive his naval power.
Lord HOLLAND said he had now the wilier.
tine, and he fi.lt-it to be one, to differ from some
of his Noble Friends. - Ile was in favour of the •' • t
Bill. Sirpposimi that prohibitivn were obticmiuts,
then why nut do away all prohibition, and ;lite
the country a free distillery ? Nor had the House,
lie -thottghtl'bron degraded by the course -of its
proceedings ow the Hilt. The country had fair
'warning of it. . Seine Noble Lords had talked of
ilie interest that Ministers expected to create foe
themselves by the hawsers; but, large as was hii , 4
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belief On this point: foe nu man's could Abe larger '--.. '''-'''
here, he saw no reason to. inspect Ministers un
this point. Defying, as they did, by-the Bill, the
whtle landed interest, hensas at some loss to know
what coiripensation they could find in the number
of Representatives returned fee them from Jatnaie.i. . •
He lord-not yet • heird of this description of Re.
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reign of Charles the First.
Lord GRENVILLE wi
House by following the Nut
through all the labours of his speech, bet woulit
content himself with staling; that the mere differ.
ence of opinion expressed on the present question,
nut only by many of their Lordships, but by some
of the Judges themselves; appeared directly to en.
tilileettithe propriety of constilting that learned bo-
dy at large. •
Lord ELDON repeated his persuasion, that the
Bill, in its present form, was efficient, and that it
•nrotild have operation either at the time when the
loyal Signatureshoeld be given, or at the expire.
Lion of the farmer Bill.
The question was now put, and strangers or.
dered to withdraw. On our return, we learned I
that the Motion was lost, SR to 39, and found
Lord Grenville speaking. lie said, it seemed to,
be the determination of Ministers to bind their
Lordships in a yoke, and to compel theta to pass
this Bill in their own way.
Lord LIVERPOOL repeated the substance of
his former arguments.
Lord ELLENBOItOUGH complained of the
precipitancy. with which • the question had been
put and carried. He censured, in very strong
terms,' the Bill, which, in its retrospective mean-
lug, he considered highly injurious and unceitsti-
'ethanol ; and he challenged the Noble and
711 ioarned Lord opposite (Redesdale), by. any re-I
.ecirds, forms, or quotations, to. reconcile to
etsannton sense .the bearing of the word continue,
tit an act, or operation, gone by. His Lordship
:expressed much surprim as well as regret, at the
,perm which his Noble Friend op the Woolsack
had taken that night,. and which he 'conceived to
tata at variance with what he seemed to .cuuCcde theme
opt bcfairt.:4—' •
Lord REDESDALE defended :Lord Eldon
ageinst the charge of inconsistency.
r Lord GREY declined following the Noble and
Learned Lord who spoke last, bet rested on the
plain and evident proof, that from all which had
passed both on that and the preceding night, an
appeal to the Judges was necessary, and he ad.
tented, with much animation, to the unfairness.
towards Irelaud iti the operation of the present
Bill.
id ELDON now put the question, when
Lord HOLLAND rose, and statod that
though he was net indisposed to the erineiple of
the Bill, yet from all that he had heard, he
thought,it highly expedient that it should be de-
ferred at present. , The Noble and Learned Lord
opposite( (Redesdsle) appeared to have engrossed
and monopolized all the gravity and seriousness of
the Notate, when he gravely and seriously con-
teuded, in the face of the Noble and Learned
Lords on his side, and in opposition to the tacit
concurrence, last night, of the Noble Lord on
the Woolsack, that this was a question free from
doubt.
Lord MORETON argned in favour of the Bill.
The LORD CHANCELLOR was net averse
• from stating hii views df the question, though,
on subjects of the kind, and considering the situ-
ation in which he stood, it was highly proper for
him td guard against being sorpriZed. Many
Acts were, anti must be, revived under the term
•• continuing"—an old Parliamentary phrase : alt
Acts, however, took their date feum the day on
which they were introduced to the House: As
to the Judges, he was quite confident that the
proposed question would nut be put to them ; and
for this plain reason, because they could not att-
swer It. Ile was convinced, for his own part,
that the Act of the 48th of George 111. did apply
to the case before their Lon:ships, whatever
doubts be might feel it decorous to entertain after
the opposite opinions of two Noble and Learned
Lords. •
herd GRENVILLE could not, from what.the
Noble and Learned Lord had just said, feel tits-
Posed to concur with him. •
Lord LAUDERDALE contended, that the
Noble and Learned Lord (Eldon) had not, after
all, stated his reasons to that Hensel fur dissent-
ing from the question. The House of Commons
an Act for enacting, not'
called the present Aot,
for continuing, an Act ; which evidently expres.
sett the sense in which that House viewed the sub-
ject. The very act of continuing only part of
the Bill affected the laws between Great Britain
and Ireland. When, indeed, the Chief- Justice
of L.Niglahttl had started his doubts 'on the subject
before the House, where-was the man who could,
who would, esteem those doubts as light or on-
important.
Their Lordships now divided on the Irfotioni
amended interrogatory be put to the

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Judges) when 'here were found,. .
Nin-Cuateati. It with his cordial support. . .
copious li Lind HARDWICKE still regretted that Mr. .•
Agaiast the Qiiestloa 19 . , Smith hod setbeen heard at the Bar.. It waft is '
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of the preamble; and Day. Their Lordships were
continue," which be twhis Motion, for the express I
r. 4.0 cunetitutioßalli jag Into the nature anti extent u
atrAit of Parliament peditione.now about to depart I
produced as in:tine', Lord Icy's Motion beitig
Vfsenirnit Pietin Ole 50w440610-0-,vrite
• • Lutd.PFLENVILLE slosit s
rould not detain the possiblii fnr.iiint, iris Lords/11w
iblo and LearnedLurd indifftgewt sinsttator of the scul
his speech. but-would their course, of prucoeding,