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ing. The whole of the spacious edifice, boxes, pit, gallery,
circle, and platform were crowded by a most respectable
auditory. Among those on the platform we observed the
Rev. Dr. Tattershall, the Rev. Hugh M`Neile, the Rev. R. J.
M`Ghee, the Rev. Hugh Stowell, the Rev. T. Nolan, the
Rev. Fielding Ould, the Rev. F. Barker, the Rev. Reginald
Yonge (curate of Wrenbury, Cheshire), the Rev. Walter
Butler (of St. Thomas-in-the-Fields), the Rev. W. Falloon,
the Rev. J. Cordeaux, the Rev. W. Maynard, the Rev.
Joseph Baylee, the Rev. H. Carpenter, the Rev. W. W.
Ewbank, Rev. A. Knox, Rev. J. C. Hamilton, Rev. J. R.
Connor, Rev. F. Parry, Rev. Seddon (Salford), Rev.

Maginnis, Rev. W. Rawson, Rev. J. B. Chalmers, Rev
Green (Knotty Ash), Rev. B. A. Marshall, Rev. Hill,
Rev. W. Moriarty, Rev. S. Cragg, Rev. Graham, Rev.
S. Boutflower, Rev. Hughes, Rev. 1i,4 Davies, Rev. T.
Gardner, Rev. E. Jones (Winwick). Rev. D. James, Rev,
Meredith (St. Helens), Rev. Clarke (Chester), Rev
J, N. Peill, Rev. T. Ingham (Rainhill), Rev. Longueville
(Hoylake), Rev. Howarth, Rev. W. Purdon, Rev. S.
Fenton, Rev. J. Badham, E. Jones, Esq., Forde,
Esq., T. T. Glazebrook; Esq., C. S. Parker, Esq.,
C. Boutflower, Esq., C. Cotesworth, Esq., T. B. Horsfall,
Esq., John Howard, Esq., James Parker, Esq., William
Rowett, Esq., John Sheppard, Esq., John Rigby, Esq.,
W. Gurden, Esq., G. Langtry, Esq., John Middleton,
Esq., Samuel Holme, Esq., R. Harbord, Esq., Turner,
Esq., W. Jones, Esq., Preston, Esq., J. C. Duncan, Esq.,
W. Forsyth, Esq., A. Brown, jun., Esq.
On the motion of• Mr. Jonx RIGBY, seconded by the
Rev. W. W. EWBANIC, the Rev. Dr. Tattershall, locum.
bent of St. Augustine's Church, Shaw-street, was unani.
mously called to the chair.
The CHAIRMAN then said,—MY Christian friends, it has
been ever the custom of the Protestant Association, from its
first formation, to commence all its meetings, whether of the
committee or of its members, with an act of prayer and
supplication to Almighty God, for his blessing upon the pur-
pose of their coming together. (Hear.) lam sure it will be
your desire, as well as my own, that the present occasion
should afford no example of a deviation from so excellent a
rule. (Cheers.) If even in regard to the affairs of this life
it is not in man that walketh to direct his own steps—if even
in referenie to the affairs of this world, the ignorance and
the shortsightedness of men are such, that it becomes needful
for u§ to ask Divine direction and support; much more,
surely, will the same hold to be true, when the object we
have in view is the maintenance of the truth of God in its
integrity, the promotion of true religion, and the inte-
rests of the kingdom of Christ among mankind. (Cheers.;
I shall therefore, with your permission, beg my reverend
brother, Mr. Nolan, to open the proceedings of this meetini
with prayer to God for his blessing. (Hear, hear.)
The Rev. THOMAS NOLAN then offered up a most im

pressive prayer.
The CHAIRMAN, on the meeting resuming, addressed them
as follows :—My Christian friends, as we have now been en-
gaged in an act of devotion, as we have been invoking the
presence of Almighty God upon our meeting together, I trust
I do not flatter myself with any vain expectation, if I express
a hope that in answer to prayer, the blessing may be vouch-,
safed ; and that all the remainder of our • proceedings this
day may be suitable with this beginning—(hear)--that both
with regard to speakers and to hearers, it may prove that
there has existed among us that consciousness of the divine
presence, that sobriety and thoughtfulness by which our whole
procedure may be of a character suitable to that with which
it has commenced. (Hear.) It is usually, I believe, ex-
pected that at the commencement of a meetin,, like this, the
individual who has been selected to have the honour of occu-
pying the chair, should offer some few observations with re-
gard to the nature of the object for which the meeting is
convened. In my own individual instance, I think I might
not unreasonably plead to be exempted from any further exe-
cution of a duty of this kind, because the object of our meet-
ing is at once so simple and so well known ; and, because,
I ,hP upon former occasions, endeavoured, as

moreover, -,
well as my poor ability would allow, to explain the purpose of
the Protestant' Association. But I can scarcely persuade
myself to foregcraltogether the privilege of the position in
which your kindness has placed me, of offering to you a few
remarks, even though it may possibly be at the risk of tread-
ing upon ground which, it may be thought, belongs more
properly to those who should follow me. I observe, then,
that the nature and objects of our association are explained
in the very title of it. (Hear.) It is the Protestant Asso-
ciation—(cheers)—it is an association for the promotion of
the principles of protestantism—that is, for the promotion of
pure, of original, of primitive Christianity—(renewed cheers)
—of Christianity not mutilated, not defiled, not deformed, as
represented by that fallen'part of the Christian church, whose
degraded religious condition we cannot too deeply lament—
but, as restored, as set free from all the incrustation and de-
filements by which it has been despoiled of its beauty, by
which the harmony of its proportions has been disturbed, and
by which Christianity itself has been bereft of its life-giving
power, and made inefficacious for the great purpose tor which
it was revealed of God to man. (Hear, hear.) We meet, my
Christian friends, now, under circumstances extremely dif-
ferent, totally different, from those in which we have been
placed upon former occasions. (Hear, hear.) Since the time
that we last met together, it has pleased Almighty God—for
it is from Him that coineth down every good and perfect
gift—to bring to pass a wonderful change in our national eir-
curnstances and condition. When we last met together our
national affairs were in the hands of men, a not undistin-
guished individual in the iiomber of whom is reported (and
I know not that any cOntraclidtiorrhas been given to the re-
port) to have said, with regard to some contemplated mea-
sures, that they would inflict "a heavy blow and great dis-
couragement" upon Protestantism. (Hear.) Now surely,
when we consider what Protestantism is—that Protestantism
is neither more nor less than primitive Christianity in all its
beauty, and glory, and power,—when, I say, we consider
Protestantism thus, and remember that the design was
contemplated of inflicting" a heavy blow and great discou-
ragement" upon it ; when we consider, moreover, that it is
by virtue of Protestantism that our beloved Queen holds the
crown of this realm—(great cheering).—when we consider, I
say, that Protestantism is such in itself, and that it stands in
such a relation to the monarchy which we love, and of which
we will be the firmest supporters ;—(cheers)—to think that
the affairs of the state should have been in the hands of any
men who could talk, or conterpplate a case, of inflicting a
" heavy blow and great discouragement" upon Protestantism,
—(hear)—we catinot but rejoice to think that the affairs of
our nation,—that the chief administration of them, is in such
hands no longer. (Great cheering.) We cannot but rejoice
to think that since the time we met together before, the very
important and imposing ceremony has been performed, and
performed at the instance of the whole nation, of politely
handing over the gentlemen who occupied that position to the
opposite and less influential side of our legislative houses,—
(hear)—and that the affairs of the-nation are now in the hands
of others, of whom we have reason to be proud, of whom we
have reason to rejoice, that they can be safely entrusted to
their hands. (Cheers.) And though it be true, unfortu-
nately, that our present rulers do not see some things precisely
in the light in which we see them, and do not take in all re-
spects, and to their full extent, the measures we could desire
them to take, yet we have still the assurance that no case
would be contemplated by them, or be otherwise than re-
pudiated with indignation, which could be supposed to in-
flict, or which they thought would prove, " a heavy blow
and great discouragement" to Protestantism. (Cheers.) I
shall be understood in one remark which I have just
made, to be alluding to what we cannot but consider
their inconsistency in the continuance of the grant for the
support of the College of Maynooth. (Cheers.) I see
already that the vast assembly before me joins in this re-
gret. (Hear.) It could not but have been a delight had
we seen, as one of the first acts of the new administration, a
measure so inconsistent as that of supporting idolatry (for
such it is) utterly repudiated. (Hear.) I regret it upon
another account, because I believe to have discontinued that
grant at the first moment of the new administration coming
into power would have been an easier work than at any sub-
sequent period.: (Hear, hear, hear.) One feature, as in
some measure connected with this, of the proceedings of a
former government deserves, I think, to be mentioned. It
is well known that there has existed for a long period a so-
ciety in connexion with our national church—an incorporated
society for the propagation of the gospel in foreign parts—
that is, for the support of the Christian Protestant ministry,
among many of our own countrymen, professing Christians,
who are expatriated from their own land, who have from vari-
ous causes been compelled to retire to the British colonies.
Now, for a long time this Society for the Propagation of the
Gospel in Foreign Parts received the support of government;
I think, indeed, that the sum of £15,000 a year was voted
by parliament in aid of the support of that society, for the
maintenance of the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ in
our foreign dependencies. (Cheers.) Now, surely, one
might think that if it were thought a necessary thing to
withdraw the sum of £15,000 by the year from the support
of the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, it would not
have been too much to expect that £lO,OOO a year should
also be withdrawn from the support of error. (Great ap-
plause, and cries of " hear, hear.") I may venture also one
remark upon a subject which affects us, somewhat more
nearly, at home. Not only has a change taken place in the
administration of the affairs of the nation generally, but a
not less remarkable change has taken place, nearer home, in
the administration of the affairs of our municipal corpora-
tion. (Hear, bear.) To one particular subject to which
the support of the corporation is directed, and in which of
all others the deepest interest is felt by our whole commu-
nity, I may be permitted very briefly to advert. (Hear.)
I shall be very well understood already to mean the question
concerning the Mode of conducting our corporation schools.
(Hear.) It is never any part of my intention to attach need-
less or extravagant blame to any party or individual what-
ever; and I am perfectly willing to believe and concede (if
it be considered a concession) that the individuals who had
heretofore the conducting of the affairs of those schools, and
who suffered Roman Catholic error to be taught in them,
may have been acting—and I believe they have been so
acting—from a mistaken sense of duty. (Hear, hear.) But
a mistaken sense of duty is a mistaken sense of duty; and
when a mistake, especially a serious mistake, is made, it
cannot but be matter of rejoicing that such a mistake should
have been found, and received its appropriate correction.
(Hear.) The Corporation Schools are now under the go-
vernment of a committee, upon which are found men—l
know them to be such—who' have the spiritual as well as the
temporal interest of the children in those schools at heart.
I rejoice also to say, that the Education Committee is under
the presidency of a chairman who has the interests—the
best interests—of the children of those schools at heart.
(Renewed cheers.) And I will further venture—looking
for the blessing of God upon their endeavours—upon the
prediction that ere long they will be found (yes; they are
found now) to work effectively for the real benefit of a vast
multitude of children who shall receive instruction in them ;
and that notwithstanding all the endeavours (and many en-
deavours have been made) to hinder their progress and
impede their effective operation, the power and blessing of
God will be found too strong for the enmity and the opposi-
tion of men. (Hear.) One remarkOnore I wish to be per-
mitted to make, in reference to a sentiment said to have been
put forth by one, if not more, highly respectable individuals
in relation to this question—individuals whose views in
every other particular, which has come at least under my
own notice, I have every reason to approve, and who, I
think, have spoken as they have, only because they have not
given the subject all the consideration they could and might
give it. It has been reported that one gentleman has recently
observed, that if our municipal body (I do not quote his
own words, but I am giving the meaning of them) gave edu-
cation at all, it must be education based upon religion ;
and that if it gave education based upon religion, it
must be upon the Protestant religion ; it must be true
religion; and, 'therefore, if we are to have corporation
schools at all, they must be upon the principle which they
are now conducted upon, which we believe to be correct;
but that a preliminary question first required to be set-
tled, whether it was necessary for them to be an educating
body at all? (Hear.) Now, if this question were to be
answered in the negative, the great subject of dispute and
controversy, which has occupied us so often in this place,
would be taken out of the way. But I think, my Christian
friends, you will be ready to bear
when I say, that in such
ar your testimonytotch
the
truth of the sentiment I am giving,
a case the remedy would be worse than the disease. if because
education, if given at all in our schools, must be given upon
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eahle to the taste or even the convictions of different I
tion. The doctrine and practices, which rendered manful
- -we are thus to infer that education our separation from that church, are still retained by her,
given by our corporation at all (Hear.) i unchanged, unmitigated, unqualified ; nor are the differences
-,ust beg permission to add, that that is not between us in essential matters less at the present moment,
~ole of the conclusion that is to be drawn from such than they were in the times of Craemer or Jewell, of Taylor
_Anises. If the circumstance of not being able to give religious or II ooper." (Cheers.) This is admirable. [A person in one
education after every possible variety of form so that it may of the side-boxes here cried out, " Pray, read on."] Pray,
be desired by various classes of persons, is to prevent all don't interrupt unseasonably : you'll get enough presently.
education, the same is a reason why the legislature of (Cheers.) The warmest advocates of protestant associations
our country is not to enter into alliance with any and protestant meetings cannot desire more than this. In
branch of the Christian church, and we ought, upon point of fact, sir, all that we have been saying at these meet-
this principle, to have no established church in this realm. lugs has been in detailed proof of the conclusion now come
(Hear, hear.) The answer to that sentiment, in my .3atige to by the Bishop of London. (Hear, hear.) " The doctrines
went, is, " the Church is in danger ;" and rather than suffer and practices which rendered necessary our separation from
such a sentiment to go forth, " the Church is in danger" the Church of Rome are still retained by her unchanged, un-
should be sounded louder than it ever did sound from one mitigated, unqualified." (Great cheers.) Those doctrines are 4
shorp of Great Britain to the other. (Cheering.) Do I opposed to scriptural Christianity in all its essential and
think, for an instant, that the highly respectable gentle- fundamental truths. Those practices, wherever the power
man to whom I have referred [Mr. G. H. Lawrence-I had existed, were subversive of all true civil government—all true
any such idea as this in his mind ? No, he would rather cut enlightened toleration. So said our reforming prelates and
off his right hand (hear); but such in my opinion is the legiti- presbyters. So said our nobles in those days. So said
mate inference from such arguments. (Hear.) What, then, is our gentlemen. So said out yeomen. So said our sove-
the principle of an established church ? It is this—the go- reign. And Rome, with her usurping bishop, was repudi-
vernment of a country is supposed to have been brought to ated in England. (Cheers.) The doctrines and practices
entertain the firm and serious conviction that without reli- which rendered that great step necessary are still retained by
gion, without the support and aid of religion, it is impossible her, although they have been solemnly denied. We have
to secure obedience to the laws, and, by consequence, peace proved this. We have entered into doctrine after doctrine.
and harmony in the community. They are to be supposed We have specified practice after practice, We have appealed
to have come to the conviction that the truest and best to her own accredited and unrescinded formularies. We have
results, in the form of morality and peace, must issue collated the evidence, and we have demonstrated to the nation
from the reception of the true religion of our Lord Jesus at large that the papal ecclesiastics have been circulating, pri-
Christ. (Hear, hear.) They must be supposed to have vately by authority, principles which they were publicly dis-
taken into consideration the claims of all rival communities claiming on oath. (Hear, hear.) For so doing, we have,eof
(hear, hear), if so we may call them, which profess rightly to course. been assailed ; but yod are witness, sir, and I wish
expound the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ—their claims to multiply witnesses of the fact, that we have not been an-
both as to the:truths they teach and the agency which they severed. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Hard names, indicative
employ—and to have settled the question, and to have formed of sore feelings, have been applied to us, but our charges
a decision, to have come to a certain conclusion upon the have not been disproved. It is easy to deny—it is easy to
question which they believed to be the just representative to abuse •, and those weapons of easy use have been in many
of the primitive church. (Hear, hear.) And with that, as hands. The favourite assertion—that which bears most the
being the witness for the truth, as being the divinely ap- semblance of argument—has been, that the Roman Church
pointed messenger, employed and to be employed for this is altered with everything else in the march of improvement ;
purpose, they are supposed to have entered into a contract that her archbishops and bishops, with the more intelligent
to afford all facilities for it to teach the truth in Christ, they of her laymen, have denied before our parliament and nation
engaging to afford such instruction to the community, that is that those obnoxious principles against which our forefathers
to the people of the land. (Hear.) This is the principle of protested, are held by them or their china, and that nothing
an Established Church. (Hear.) The government are sup- but wilful obstinacy in bigotry can induce any man to re-
posed to have made up their minds which that community is iterete the charge against their church of maintaining those
that holds the truth in the love of it, and which has the ac- principles or sanctioning those doctrines. (Hear.) Now,
credited and divinely appointed agents to teach the truth, and this accusation of wilful obstinacy in bigotry sounds well
#o that they give the right hand of fellowship. (Hear, against men such as we are; and some of our reverend
hear.) Surely they are not to recede from the effects of brethren, who disapproved of our proceedings, felt them-
such a position because they cannot, in the case of faithful selvei relieved from all duty of protesting against Rome,
dealing with the church with which they have entered into and rather • enjoyed the reputation of moderation and
alliance—give other descriptons of religious instruction, charity in contrast with our evil report of intemperance
and teach other doctrines at variance with those they and bigotry. How the Bishop of London may fare in
teach through that agency. (Hear,. hear.) I say again, their hands remains to be seen ; but certain it is that
if the circumstance that education cannot be given in the his lordship has fully vindicated us, and broadly asserted
corporation schools in such a variety of forms as to suit the very conclusion which leietimately follows from the pre-
the taste of all descriptions of persons be a reason why mises we have supplied. (fear, hear.) " The doctrines
no religious instruction should be given in the schools, and practices which rendered necessary our separation from
or why such schools should not exist, the inference that church are still retained` by her." What! in defiance
cannot stop there, but'the principle extends to the rejection of the solemn declarations of the papal bishops ? So
of the established church. (Hear, hear.)—The rev. gentle- says the Lord Bishop of London : " are retained by her."
man concluded by explaining to the Roman Catholics who But, surely they have undergone some modification, to give
might be present the terms upon which they had been ad- some ground at least for the disclaimers. No : in the
witted, expressing at the same time his satisfaction at their judgment of the Bishop of London, at least, " they are
presence. retained, unchanged, unmitigated, unqualified." (Hear.)
Mr. RIGBY then read the annual report, of which the fol- Sir, this is a solemn position for these papal ecclesiastics to
lowing is a copy . find themselves in, fronted by such a man as the Lord Bishop
" REPORT. of London. They have sworn that those principles are not
retained. The Bishop of London, ex cathedra, surrounded
by his clergy, in all the pomp and ceremony of his visitation,
says they are retained. (Loud cheers.) Hear him further :
" Nor are the differences between us, in essential matters,
less at the present moment than they were in the time of
Cranmer, or Jewell, or Taylor, or Hooper." Sir, we did not
require any voucher to prove the truth of what we said. We
knew it was true or we would not have said it. (Hear.) But
we are sincerely thankful to have our conclusions ratified by
such authority, because we rejoice in the unfeigned respect
which Englishmen pay, and, we trust, ever . Will pay, to
superior rank and station, as well as to superidretalents, and
all these are eminently combined in the present Bishop of
London; and moreover, we are anxious that those rev. gen-
tlemen to whoml took the liberty of alluding just now, and
-who recoiled from our agitation, may be stirred up to a
vigerous pefrormance of their duty as protesters by this ;
(bear, hear)—you did not wait to hear by what they were to
be stirred ap;—(laughter)—l would call it by this lthuriel
sper of tho Metropolitan. (Cheers.) Now you will perceive
from a slight indication of opposition in the meeting, and as you
might have guessed frdm the extent of the quotation, that I
did not read the entire of his lordship's charge. I did not,
indeed ; and I shall perhaps be told that in the same charge
he has expressed his decided disapprobation of public con-
troversial discussions. In this lam happy to have the sanc-
tion of his lordship's authority. (Hear.) I think that pub-
lic controversial discussions in these times are not likely to
serve the interests of truth ; and, therefore, I have discounten-
anced them, preferring the press, where the closeness of grave
argumentation can be accurately followed up, but the obser-
vation now before us does not apply to meetings like the
present, where there is no discussion, and where the argu-
ments being all on one side and previously thought of—for
I hold the man worse than a fool who stands up es+ bout
first thinking of what be. is, going to say ,‘ 'and I would have
you, sir, and all my friends to know that have thought
of what I have. said and whet I, ant going to say—(hear,,
hear)—but I say. the observation does tint apply to such
meetings as the present, where the arguments being all one side
and previously thought 'of, may be given with the accuracy
of writing, and also with the warmth, energy, and animation
of speech. (Hear, hear.) But the statenten which we have
made very often, and which I am very happy to find the
Bishop of London has made now, 'in order, to be really valu-
able, ought to be practically influential. It ought to lead to
something. Sir, lam sure that there is no man in England
who would more sincerely than his lordship deprecate the
cold, barren, inoperative admissions of truth ;. and, therefore,
1 feel that he, and all who agree witlnhiro, will perceive the
impropriety of continuing to sanction a seminary wherein are
taught the principles and practices, " unchanged, unmiti-
gated, unqualified," which rendered our protest against
Rome indispensable. If those principles and those practices
were wrong then, surely it must be wrong now to continue to
sanction deliberate, systematic instruction in them. This
brings me to the practical point already touched upon by
yourself—l mean the College 14( Maynooth. I shall not at-
tempt to go into detail about any of the principles and prac-
tices taught in that college at present. I leave that in more
competent hands; but 1 wish to offer a few,,9bservations on
the turning point of defence now made for the continuance
of Maynooth College. The arguments urged in defence of
that seminary are not derived from any intrinsic excellence
in the college itself, but from the fault of the institution.
We are told it was founded when
.Mr. Pitt was prime
minister, and that the grant has, been continued under
every administration since. This is true, as a matter of
fact ; but it aupplies no sound groum] of defence, and
for this simple, and, 1 think, very satisfactory •reason—
that the principle, here involved is one which no human
authority is competent to decide. (Hear, hear.) The force
of this remark will be seen more clearly in the light of con-
trast. The principle involved in this question differs
essentially from those modifications of our constitution
in secular details concerning which human authority may
properly conclude, and which may, and in many instances
ought to, be acquiesced in even by men who did not originally
approve of them. (Hear, hear.) For example, it is per-
fectly intelligible how it may be right, and wise, and
prudent, for the right honourable baronet, at present at
the head of her Majesty's government, to accept the Reform
Bill and govern upon it, because it is passid, although it may
have enacted many things of which he did not originally ap-
prove, and would have prevented, if possible. I can under-
stand, in every such case a fair calculation of comparative
degrees of evil, and a wise and enlightened decision, that it
is a lesser evil to abide by an existing institution, although in
many respects defective, than to disturb the public mind and
hazard a fresh issue by opening the questions. Such I con-
ceive to be the legitimate aspect in which all civil and secular
arrangements should be viewed by practical and judicious
men. (Hear, hear.) But the question involved in the Col-
lege of Maynooth is of a totally different character. It is
neither civil nor secular, though it becomes so in its inevit-
able effects; but in itself it is strictly religious, And such I
must repeat as no human authority is or ever can be compe-
tent to close. I should rather say that no human authority is
properly competent to open it, because the revealed word of
the Divine Lawgiver has closed it. To bow down to an image
(a practice undeniably taught at Maynooth) is plainly and
peremptorily forbidden by Almighty God himself. To do it,
or to teach others to do it, is a sin ;—for sin is truly defined
to be a transgression of the law. Sin does not consist in
injury done to man, though it involves such injury : it con-
sists in disobedience to God. If, then, bowing to an image,
and teaching man so, be not a sin, theft is no sin, and adul-
tery is no sin, and false witness is no sin. What would be
thought of any class of men who would attempt to open these
questions which the divine law has closed; and found a semi-
nary, the inmates of which were to be taught themselves, and
instructed to teach others to steal, to commit adultery, and
to bear false witness ? Would the matter be much improved
bran attempt to hide a perversion of morals behind a per-
version of language, calling theft community of goods, and
adultery reciprocity of affection,' and false witness liberty
of speech ? And what would be thought of the human autho-
rity, legislative or executive, which countenanced such a
seminary, and supported it with public funds? (Cheers.)
And, where, I ask, is the real difference? Why should it he
thought right, and moderate, and charitable, and Christian,
to treat the second commandment in a way which would be
denounced as infamous and intolerable to treat the 7th, Bth,
or 9th commandment? Such partiality in dealing with the
tables of the divine law, proves too plainly that no part of
it is regarded with reference to God's authority (for then it
would be all equally regarded), but only those parts which
bear upon man's convenience, property, and character. Thus,
the religious principle is wholly removed from the national
morality; and nothing higher than the arbitrary and partial
distinctions of human law can be consistently pleaded. Take
the instance of a judge who-is known to practice, or to sanc-
tion the practice, or to defend the public encouragement and
support of the practice of bowing to images. How can such
a man, without a burning blush, rPfPr tn the name or law of.
God, when addressing a murderer in the dock? Might not
the culprit retort with frightful power—nay, nay, my lord,
confine your observations to human law; if you had any real
regard for the divine law, you would obey the second com-
mandment yourself, as you would have others to obey the
sixth ? It is difficult, sir, to conceive to what an alarming
extent the highest obligations of public morals are relaxed, by
the exhibition of a government sanctioning the continued
violation of any one of God's most holy laws ! Human
power may, indeed, enforce its decisions, and disobedience
to God may be carried on with a high hand, because the
Almighty does not, for the present, interpose to vindicate
His own law. But, sir, this is the worm at the root of the
national ground ; and, although its withering influence be
mercifully delayed, it is eventually inevitable. Meanwhile the
question cannot be set at rest by any human enactment, in
opposition to the divine law; the agitation of it must con-
tinue while there remains upon the earth one bold, and
faithful, and consistent believer in revelation, (H ear, hear, and
cheers.) We may approve of the proceedings of a government
in things secular—in things v; high human authority may com-
petently decide either way : we may coincide with the general
policy of a government, as it is our priviledge now to do
with her Majesty's present ministers; we may admire highly
the boldness and ability with which they have risen above the
temporary palliatives of class legislation, and combined the
arduous duties of national financial honesty and national
commercial relief: we may fell thankful for their wisdom
and moderation grid success in the management of, our fo-
reign relations in Europe and America, and we trust also in
Asia. All this we may do, and do heartily; and yet in the
higher questions of national religion and national education
—when we see them supporting such iestitutions as Maynooth
College and the National Board in Ireland, and adopting
from their predecessors in office a very questionable educati-
onal principle in England—we may feel constrained to give
utterance to the expression, first, of our deep concern, and
then of our respectful but decided opposition. Our oppo-
sition may signify but little to them. Numerically consi-
dered is is indeed comparatively small, but the principle upon
on which it rests is of the highest order, and cannot be safe-
ly neglected by any British statesman. In whatever light,
however, it may appear' to them, it is to us, tq our charac-
ters, and to our happiness, of paramount importance. We
would not willingly incur the guilt, before a higher tribunal,
of not opposing unscriptural proceedings, by whomsoever
conducted. But mark the difference. When we opposed
such proceedings a few years ago, it was accompanied with
the animating hope of a,change of administration, feeling that
any change which the country would tolerate, must be for
the better. Now, on the contrary, we feel that any change
which the country would tolerate, must be for the worse;
and we oppose these things, not in any hope or wish of any
change in the government, but in the hope that the govern-
ment may make some change in these particular measures.

" On resigning their trust into the hands of their consti-
tuents, at the termination of another year, the committee of
the Liverpool Protestant Association feel that although
hindered by misapprehension in some quarters, and exposed
to obloquy and evil report in others, their labours have never-
theless been attended with many very beneficial results. The
controversy between the Church of Rome and the Church of
Christ is interminable ; as long as Rome is what she is, no
real Christian can have peace, or truce, or even parley with
her; and in proportion as any national church manifests a
disposition to enter into a compromise with Rome, in the
same proportion does that church cease to present the
features of a Christian Church.
I i" The experience of any man who is spiritually alive to
the glory of God, and the salvation of his fellow creatures,
must harmonize with that of:the Apostle at Athens, whose
spirit was stirred within him when be beheld, not only the
poor and ignorant, but the rich, the learned, the polished,
the philosophic men of that renowned city, bowing in sense-
less idolatry before images of gold, and silver, and stone,
engraven by art of man's device.
" Is it Christian, your committee would respectfully ask,
is it apostoiical, to see thousands of our fellow-creatures
offending God anti ruining themselves, without an effort on
our part to convert them from the error of their way, that
the Lord may be glorified? "God forbid t." is the answer
of every Protestant Christian. This is the great spring of
Protestant exertion : this is the great principle of Protestant
Association, which, moreover, has now for so long a time
been continually canvassed, and so triumphantly established,
that your committee cannot feel themselves otherwise than
in the path of strict duty, so long as they labour in the work
of exposing error and promoting truth.
" The result of your committee's experience leads them to
offer a suggestion, in addition to the usual operations of the
association, which they have embodied into the third resolu-
tion, whereby provision will be made for the maintenance of
font- Scripture readers, under the control of a clerical sub-
committee, t 6 labour amongst the Romish population of this
town, and also to secure a monthly lecture in some of the
churches, on the points of doctrine on which the churches of
England and of Rome are at issue. From each of these,
properly conducted, there is reason to expect much good
would ensue. With such anticipations, built on past ex-
perience, your committee, looking back with humble grati-
tude, look forward also with dependent trust. At the com-
mencement of another year, they would animate each other
with the encouraging remembrance, that if God be for us,
who can he against us?
" They enter upon the duties of the coming, year (for
duties are ours, events belong to God) in the spirit and with
the words of the psalmist, ' The Lord is my light and my
salvation—whom shall I fear ? The Lord is the strength of
my life—of whom,shall I be afraid ?' "

Mr. C. S. PARKER, the treasurer, next read a statement
of his accounts, from which it appeared, that after defraying
the current expenses, there was a balance against the associ-

Mr. JAMES PARKER moved the first resolution; and he
commenced by observing that it would ill become him, sup-
ported as the Chairman was by many champions of the Pro-
testant cause, to occupy much of the time of the meeting by

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any remarks of his own, but he could not propose the resolu-
tion be held in his hand without bearing his humble testi-
mony to the operation of the Liverpool Protestant Associa-
tion ; and he might be allowed to say that that association,
and its offspring (if he might be allowed the expression),
the Operative Protestant Association, had done more
than any other class of the community towards bring-

ing about those mighty changes the Chairman had referred
to. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) On that all-important
question—the school question—he gave credit to the Pro-
testant Association for arousing the feelings of the people ;
and he would mention a fact respecting the Operative Pro-
testant Association highly creditable to them—that its mem-
bers, from their scanty earnings, had subscribed their pen-
nies per week in order that they might have a vote, to place
those men in the Council who would maintain Protestant
principles ; and he had no doubt but one hundred such votes
would be recorded at the ensuing election, when he had no
doubt the cause of truth would be as triumphant as it had
been on the last occasion. (Loud applause.) Before he
sat down, however, he begged to refer to a report which was
abroad, and which had been reiterated by the press, that
the reverend gentleman who sat before him (the Rev. H.

M`Neile) was the prime dictator to the Conservatives in the
Town-Council. (Hear and Cheers.) He begged to assure
them and the meeting that the reverend gentleman had no

more to do with his vote in the Council than had the Pope of
Rome. (Cheers and loud laughter.) But he trusted there
was not a conservative member of the Council who did not
act under a dictator • and he hesitated not to say for himself
he believed he could answer for the rest of the Conservative
members, that they acted under the dictatorship of their own
consciences. (Loud Cheers.) He begged to move that the
report which had been read be adopted, printed, and circu-
lated under the sanction of the committee, and that the
committee and other officers be requested to continue their
services. _ _ .

The Rev. HIIGEI M`NutLE rose to second the resolution

amid loud cheers. When silence was restored he spoke as
follows :—I rise, sir, to second the resolution which has just
been submitted to the meeting by the honourable councillor.
I am much obliged to him for his seasonable vindication. He
has said truly, sir, I haie not dictated or attempted to dic-
tate to any one. But, sir, I have reasoned, and on the subject
of Scriptural Education I must be permitted to say, that I
have reasoned so conclusively, with so much instruction, and
interest, and effect upon a large class of the population of
this town, that those who have been compelled to feel the
effect, and unab* to answer the arguments, are very naturally
desirous to use any means in their power, however unscru-
pulous, to damage the advocacy. (Hear, hear, and cheers.)
But, sir, it will not do. (Loud applause.) The intelligent
readers of this town compare the arguments on the one side
with the vituperation on the other. They act accordingly,
and I hope they will continue to act accordingly. (Hear,
hear.) The honourable councillor alluded to a topic which
it had not been my intention to touch. I did not design to
say anything about either the radical or the apostate portion

of the public press of this town, on the principle, quaintly
but very significantly expressed by a most reverend prelate
of our church to one of his clergy, who was falsely ac-
cused by some low, disreputable people—" Let them alone,"
he said, " you must stoop for the stone that you throw at
a cur." (Heat, hear, and laughter.) Sir, I would rather
allow the cur to escape than condescend to stoop for the
stone—(hear, hear, and continued laughter,)—although I
might, perhaps, find a polished one, and might be able,
from the sling of sincerity and truth, to ;peke it take dis-
comfiting effect among the host of the enemies of our
Israel. (Cheers.) I forbear, however, sir, because I have no
giant to aim at—but only petty men whose party cavillings
serve but to attest the influence they fear, and to elevate the
reputation which they envy. Sir, to return to our more ap-
propriate subject. I have much pleasure in being able.at this
early siege of our proceedings to-day to plead in their sanc-
tion high episcopal authority. I do not allude to any of
those right reverend ornaments of the bench, who, in the
sixteenth century, protested against the corruptions of Rome
with reformation and success, neither do I refer to any of their
worthy successors i►► the high office in the following century,
who went quietly to the Tower rather than submit to even
Royal dictation in opposition to the revealed will of the King
of Kings. Those all have indeed left us unequivocal
sanction, and being dead, encourage us in our course ; but I
refer to a living prelate, and I desire attention to the follow-
ing passage from the late Charge of the Bishop of London :
" Let us not scruple to say of that church, [the Roman
church,] not for her condemnation, but in our own vindica-
tion and defence, and for a warning to those who are in dan-
ger of being deceived by her delusive attractions, that she is
in a state of schism, if not apostacy ; that she has forsaken
the true faith and defiled herself with superstition and
idolatry. And let us speak all the more plainly"—l like
that language. (Laughter and cheers.)—" Let us speak all
the more plainly, seeing that she again employs as her chosen
defenders and emissaries a society of men hound together by
a vow to uphold, by all methods and at all hazards, not
christianity, but popery, and who, in accordance with that
vow, have framed a society so hideous in its principles—so
mischievous in its effects—that it well deserves to be de-
scribed as having embodied the very mystery of iniquity.'
The Church of Rome has added to and defaced the aposto-
heal ' form of sound words'—has superseded the apostolical
succession—has mutilated and corrupted the apostolical re-
cord. The character of the church itself is not altered by
that of a few or many of its individual members, whose per-
sonal graces at once modify and recommend the principles
which they embrace. There is scarcely any error of doctrine,
however extravagant or fatal, which has not been held by
eome persons of irreproachable conduct.—Against such
a church we are bound"—[Mr. Chairman, I beg you will
listen. It is not to me you are listening: it is the Bishop of
London.) (Cheers)—" Against such a church we are bound
continually to lift up the voice or solemn remonstrance, and,
far from being ashamed of the name of Protestant,"—[That
was a very hard blow]—(great cheers)—" and, far from being
ashamed of the name of Protestant, we ought to show that a
sincere and immoveable attachment to the Anglican Church
in its constitution, discipline, authority, privileges, and offices,
is perfectly compatible, or rather is itself a practical act of
protestation against the errors and corruptions of the Papal
Church; and surely the duty of so protesting is not to be
lost sight of at a time when that church is openly asserting
its pretensions amongst us, and affecting to look for the
speedy return of our reformed church intb its maternal
bosom. Its errors are not less opposed to the Gospel of truth
and holiness now, than they were at the time of the 'Reforms,.

It is, therefose, perfectly eDnsistent, ray, I k , true (tato
sistenev makes it abFolotely indispensat.l- vv}"le ^"
opposition in its essential principle remai
the tone and manner •of it should be

Johan ged,, the
_..,,,ed altogether.
Chas is my answer to the gibings ror inconsistency, with
which we have been twitted because we will not speak of the
present government as we did of the last. And as to perso-
nal promotion to wealth or dignity, which has been venomous-
ly insinuated as our secret motive of action, I answer first to
the slanderer, and then to you my friends and brethren. To
the slanderer, I say, by your peri'etual recurrence to the
subject, you betray a bitter conviction that we deserve, and
an ill-disguised fear that we may receive, promotion. 'fo
you my friends and brethren, 1 say, we would rather deserve
protnotjon without receiving it, than receive 'it without de-
serving if:" And as Clergymen of the Church of England,
pledged protestors against the " blasphemous fables and dan-
gerous deceits'.' of Rome, as our article expresses it, we would
deem ourselves, and ought to be deemed by others, wholly unde-
serving of.any encouragement of any kind. if we did not
endeavour to redeem our solemn pledge, by " giving all
faithful diligence to banish and drive away all erroneous and
false doctriues contrary to God's word." (Great cheers.)
Many topics press, especially our local education question,
but I remember that on the present occasion I am but a
pioneer opening the way for the main body which is now to
follow. I therefore conclude, cordially seconding the reso-
lution, The rev. gentleman resumed his seat amid loud ap-

plause.
The CHAIRMAN, before putting the resolution, begged
permission to correct art inadvertent error in his opening ad-
dress. He had spoken of the change of administration which
had taken place as having occurred since the last meeting of
the Association. This statement was not accurately correct.
A change of administration had taken place a short time be-
fore, but the present administration entered upon the prac-
ticalexercise of their duties subsequently to the month of Oc-
tober last year. (Hear, hear.) The resolution was then put
and carried unanimously.
The Rev. R. J: ItiIiGHER then came forward, amidst most
enthusiastic cheering from all parts of the assembly, to move
the next resolution. The rev. gentleman spoke nearly as
follows :—Mr. Chairman ; when I am permitted once more
to open my lips in this sacred cause, I feel that the first ex-
pression which should fall from them, upon a public plat-
form, should be that of thanksgiving to Almighty God for
his mercy in having restored to me the use of my voice; and
of prayer that through His grace I may be enabled to
use it this day in simplicity, in fidelity, and godly sincerity
for his glory, and for the good of my fellow men. (Hear,
bear.) I regret extremely that lam obliged, in the first in-
. stance, to apologise to this meeting, and to request their
very kind and patient forbearance with me ; for I am suffer- .
ing at this moment under that which persons who have felt
it will know the meaning of when it is called " a splitting
headache," so that really I am scarcely able to collect my
thoughts—(hear hear,)—and if it were not that I had ar-
ranged my documents, so as to produce evidence upon the
important subject for which we are convened before this
assembly, I should be obliged to give up speaking altogether.
(Hear.) But, I trust I may be able, at least, for a little
time, to bring before them evidence which I feel, and which
I know that they will feel, to be of vast importance ; and if
I am obliged to stop before I finish it, I trust they will for-
give me for having so imperfectly intruded upon them.
(Hear, hear.) I feel all that my reverend brother has said
with regard to the importance of thinking before we speak.
I have thought very carefully upon what I was to say ; but I
must say, that from the state of my head, all that I had sr-
ranged, has completely vanished from my mind. lam quite
unable to commence as I intended. (Hear.) I intended to
have commenced with a brief review of the progress of
Protestant associations in this country : I had intended to
have expressed my deep regret, my deep grief, for the awful
apathy, the criminal neglect of Protestant duty, which I
mourn to say has been too lamentably exhibited in England.
(Hear, hear, hear.) I intended to have given some
reason for a resolution to which 1 myself have come. I
am tired of producing evidence of facts that ought to
convince the judgment, that ought to call forth the principle,
that ought to awaken the energy of every man who has ..:
judgment, principle, or energy in the land. (Hear.) I am •
tired of hearing resolutions passed atfirmatory of the truth of
those statements, and then when the excitement of the mw.
ment has passed away, seeing all subside like some dark,
cold, stagnant lake, over which a breeze had passed to ruffle
the surface of it for a moment. (Hear.) Therefore 1 am
determined, with the blessing of God, that if I am able to
attend the meetings of Protestant Associations, I shall never
be a party to passing nugatory resolutions ; I shall never
attend a Protestant Association unless there are resolutions
proposed to produce some certain practical results, and unless,
there are men who are pledged, as Christian men, to carry
those resolutions out into effect. Then something will be-
done for the cause of truth in England—(cheers) ; and there-
fore I took the liberty of writing in Christian fidelity to my
brethren in Liverpool, when they did me the honour to sec
me to attend this meeting, to tell them that I conceived that
such meetings as this were rather injurious than serviceable
to the cause of truth when they passed away without pro-
ducing any practical effects. (Hear, hear.) For, what must
the enemies of truth say, when they see such important
principles affirmed by the unanimous resolutions of such
meetings as this, and see that nothing at all of comparative
result is produced by such resolutions ? (Hear, hear.) •1,
therefore told my reverend brethren, that unless some 01
them—l cared not how few or how many—would pledge
themselves to use their exertions to get up petitions through-
out this town and neighbourhood against the College 01
Maynooth, 1 could not, although I was most anxious to assist
them, come to this meeting. (Hear, hear.) They did me
the honour to feel the importance of the statement ; and
several of them further did me the honour to send to me a
pledge to this effect, which you will permit me to read :
" Liverpool, October 11, 1842.
" Rev. and Dear Brother,—We, the undersigned, having
considered the subject of your important and comprehensive
letter, do accept thankfully your conditional offer to attend
our annual meeting of the Liverpool Protestant Association,
on the "26th instant ; and in compliance with your proposal,
do hereby pledge ourselves to make the effort to get up peti-
tions to the imperial parliament, praying for enquiry into the
principles inculcated in the class-books and standards of the
Royal College. of Et. Patrick's, Maynooth. We are 01
opinion that the evidence in support of point No. 6, in Your
form of petition, might be brought forward with advantage,
by you at the meeting, unless you think some other point of
more importance, in which case we are ready to defer to your
preference, and remain, reverend and dear brother, your's in
the bonds of Christian fellowship and love."
I sent to my rev. brethren, I should say, a petition,
Or rather I should say I sent to them two petiiioni, which I
had drawn out against the College of Maynooth, and which
I requested they would carefully consider. One of these
petitions is a petition from the Protestants, to investigate
Maynooth inconsequence of certain facts which are alleged
as charges in that'petition ; the other is a counter petition,
a petition drawn for Roman Catholics who may wish to sign
it—a petition drawn for liberals as they are called who maY
choose to sign it: who assert that these charges are all ca-
lumnious. (Hear, hear.) We demand inquiry because
these charges are true : they say they are false. Then let
them demand inquiry to vindicate them from these charges.
Jlear, hear, hear.) I sent these petitions to my rev. breth-
ren, and I told them if the"), would be so good as to specifY
any particular item in that petition which they chose, I would
prove it to this meeting—l would undertake to prove that
item whatever it might be. (Cheers.) They have selected,
as you have heard, one of those items, which I shall in due
time proceed to prove ; but before that may I request Yen
will permit my dear and rev. brother, Mr. Nolan, to
read the petition?
Mr. NOLAN then read the petition, of which the following
is a copy :
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" PROTESTANT PETITION TO INVESTIGATE MAYNOOTO'",
" To the Knights Burgesses in the Commons' House
Parliament assembled—The Petition of the undersigne's
Protestanti of
" Humbly Sheweth,—
" 1. That Petitioners view with very deep re,gret that a sunk°
money is annually granted by parliament to maintain the
College of Maynooth in Ireland, for the education of the
priests of the church of Rome.
"2. That Petitioners consider it inconsistent with the
duty of a Christian state to maintain a college for the ohlegiAl
tion of men in principles which both the Sovereign and al
the members of the legislature, not being themselves Pr
pists, have sworn that they believe to he idolatrous and er
perstitioug.
"3. That it is inconsistent with the duty which the state
owes to the due preservation of public faith, the administrate
tion of justice, and the compacts which bind soeie,t;
together, to educate men at the public expense in princin;
which teach them to explain away or dispense with ell t'a
obligations of oaths, whenever the utility of the church an
other causes require it.
"4. That it is inconsistent with the due protection of
civil and religious liberty in this country, to maintain at tbeo
public expense a college in which the students are taught:,
believe ande.to teach, that all their fellow-subjects, he'?„;
Protestants, and all baptized persons not in communion oti
the Papacy, are nevertheless to be considered as the right'".
subjects of the church of Rome, and as heretics and revoltet:r
from the Pope's government; and that he has a right
them ass general has over deserters from his army, to cOIOPe
them to submit to him when it is in his power to do 50.- of
" 5. That it.is inconsistent with the due maintensoo,o
the acts of settlement, and the protection of the proPe's,
both civil and ecclesiastical in Ireland, to educate melt is
Romish priests, who are trained by their bishops to %
that all the estates held by Protestants are to be consider%
by the people as plunder, and that they ought to be reetere4
to their original possessors, or their heirs, and that they
nut protected by any lar prescription.
6. That it is inconwsiostent with the preservation of trifle.
allegiance to our Sovereign to maintain a college for e?„,
eating men as priests who are taught that their Sifverell;
being a Protestant, is a heretic and a rebel against the eetbbe
city of the Pope, and that the Pope can dispense with „.
oaths of allegiance of the subjects of an heretical Soverei'
llf,
arid that he can either directly or indirectly subvert or et"o,
dermine heretical governments, whenever a fitting OPOr
nity presents itself for so doing.
"7. That it is inconsistent with the dictates of true! ,
gion and morality, as it regards Roman Catholics themse'',,ca
to support a college in which the students are trained in $O%
principles as these, and this, for the purpose of instill'
ro
them into the people in the confessional, where the,
matt,o,
likewise trained to make the most obscene subjects
of strict investigation and inquiry, under the cloak of re
gion, with all Roman Catholic females, opening thereuTot
door for seduction and profligacy to priests, and for the e,
cruel oppression and tyranny over women and their chib";r,,,f-
and thus making the whole population slaves to the Pr'''
hood even from their mother's womb. A titlf
" 8. That such principles as these have been con fim e-,0,
stated in public meetings, and in various books and tre-
to be inculcated in the College of Maynooth, both in the old
tern of theology which the archbishops and the bishoeendo
the church of Rome pledged themselves to the PrOPBFB die
to teach in that cqllege at the time of its erection, actl2lo4
system which is now actually taught in the class-b0010,,,g,
standards on moral and dogmatic theology, on WWI
and on the sacred Scriptures, in that college. apd
" p, That it has been stated at many public rneetine.tea
in !many publications, that the same principles are incoler,ich
too, by the Papal bishops, in that code of theologYsts, "0.,c1
constitutes the standard of instruction for their prie tbeo
in a code of Papal laws, added, under their sanction, t9,,,,ja.
theology in 1832, as clearly appears from their own Printiaa
cial statutes, their own directories, and the questions
iA
in those directories appointed for examination of Kiestbsee
their secret diocesan conferences, in which they trawl
priests to direct the consciences of the people ; an ;roof
timers most humbly submit that if these statements Oe 101
they are quite sufficient to account for the crimes, tbe %Doi
rtes, the insubordination of the Roman Catholic poptila„gcl
and the organised system of secret sedition, which is coop"'
to that body of her Majesty's subjects in Ireland. 00,
" 10. That Petitioners therefore humbly pray your
nourable House to investigate the facts, by institutiogos'eft
inquiry into the class-books and standards of instructi4%.ool
in Maynooth ; into the provincial statutes of the iq
bishops in the province of Leinster, where this Colierol
situated ; into the standard of the diocesan conferanOel"..lo
pointed in those statutes by the bishops for their priest e°
which they train them to direct the consciences of the! 2•
pie ; into the code of laws added to that standard in 'las:
and into the questions of their conferences, as they
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their own directories for the last eleven years;d
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Petitioners are informed, and believe, are now depositeoc.
the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge;
believe that parliament will thus discover not only er
grounds for witbdrawing the grant from Maynooth, btjaiot
the adoption of some mode which their wisdom may 'et
for protecting the Queen's government, the Protest of and Petitio
Ireland, and the Protestant institutions of the em_..r
gire, so
the machinations of the Papacy, and her Majesty s 117".
Catholic subjects from the temporal tyranny of the ?er.
,% And Petitioners will ever, &c."