The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-05-08 00:00:00

Aftor south coutorsatioli between .'.Kr. Ferrets!,
Mr. Tierney, Mr. NVystneand Mr. Baker, as to how
far the motion might infringe the Privileges of the
Lords, Mr. Bennett agreed to limit his motion to the
iwoduction of the Copy of•Appoiutmeut, which was
carried.
Sir JOAN NEWPORT gave notice, that on
Thursday next he should submit a motion, the ob-
ject of which would be to relieve that class of Pro-
testant Dissenters in Ireland, known by the name of
&ceders.
The Report of the Resolutions of the-Committee
of Supply was then brought up, and after sonni re-
marks from Mr. Wynne and Mr. Baker, was read a
first and second time.
The Committee on the Riot Bill was postponed to
this day.
The Bank Token Bill and the Unlawful Oaths Bill
were both read It second time, and ordered to be
committed.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
and the Douse adjoarued.

ORDEICS IN COUNCIL. .

EVIDENCE BEFORE THE HOUSE OF COMMONS

CONTINUED.
Mr. W. "'sere:forst examined.—lle is a nail,: ronmonger at
West Bromwich, Staffordshire, six miles from Birmingham, nettr
a principal manufactory of saw material of iron, and an im-
mense manufactory of nails. Twenty years accustomed to the
trade. Trials never in so bad a state. Depression from
Amtail, 1810. Before that, etwiloyed.l2 to 1500 men, women,
and children now, from sto 303. Turned off his hands first,
about sic months ago; previously employed them at full wawa.
Stock akuniulatinisesicP. If it continues to do so, will not
maple, the a:m • nutfibet ;of hands. Three are bat two or three
triumptil usil-thanufactonis: Dudley is the chief place, West
ronswich and Stu •rbridge, thd others, The nail-trade, when
ourishing, employed from its to 30,000 people: two-thirds to
threeloarths of them are now entelnyed, on full wages, at the
;reduced price of last January, of to 10 per cent. Wages
sever reduced before; but advanced early in 1810: working
home from 5 or 6 in the morning till 11 or 12 at night: earnings
fso•n Bto 16 shillings per-week ; but very hard work indeed to
aet the last. They do not work by time, but by:the piece. In
oarfiling flutes 2 or S shillings a week more, in full employ :
a man might now get 13 or 20 shilling:, working for a wager,
and without but regular meals. The falling off since August,
1810, has been from i to 10 per cent.: keeps on his Sands now,
in expectation of revival of trade: number of poor not in-
erased so much as he should have suppo,ed: many gone for sol-
diers, and to the poor-house; what became of the rest, cannot
tell t knows no friendly societies in the pia?. Exported some
goods to America in 1810: none since. Sent to South America
to a considerable amount, and ITen paid a considerable pail.
Seat them late in 1809, and early in 11410. Since Feb. 1811, sent
duly one single lot: that waste the United States. Sent afew thou-
nand posed' worth between Feb. and April, 1811, 10 South Ame-
rica: since then, have not exported as much to South America as
wed toexport to North America in same time: nothing to Heligo-
land, Malta, or the Continent. Cannot my there has been a fall ing-
offin home market ; but articles reduced in price. Knows of ins-
meuse orders, conditional on restoration of intercourse. Could
env keep the men in full employ. Men hitherto orderly, bat
eiscuatented for several months: earning such small wages, they
have not much spirit for riot or anything of that kind a not dim
posed to enter into a riotous spirit. During last scarcity, nail
trade not in so had a state as now. Does not add to stock, as
that has ruined many. Thinks poor's rates from 10 to 15 per
cent. higher than they were in August, 1810. The desirable
part of the mauuractnren are deserting them (the young men)
and going for soldiers. In 1803 there Was a pressing machine !
at New York that manufactured 50 tons of nails per week.— !
Sold all hismitib there, mita itlistaniline, and made his reraittane.e •
The decrease of the trade owing to stoppage of inter-
eoure. If we exported nails to anv amount tip A nierica, we
meld not fully supply the demand, for the immense number of
n node') houses built in that country. One would be surprised '
where they got the nails. None exported, he believes, since ;
Juue, 1810. There might at that time lave been some re-export-
ed to the Spanish Colonies and West Indies. Does not know
that cheapness of American pails bas countermanded orders: •
mine complain of their presses Injuring their nails. A respect.- I
able importer at filostowhas left a considerable order here Mt- •
;
withstanding the manufactory there. When there is free 1164- •
coarse we must have the trade, for a labourer gets a dollar s-day
there, add cannot turn matinfactuerr. The present price of
nails in America would afford a very great profit for our nails, !
if we could get them there. No great exporcof nails from the
Continent to America since witness has been in business: 'for-
tnely Germany supplied America, the West Indies, Bcc.
nhese there are now 110,030 employed in his part of the coun-
try, there were not then employed iem'nor, he believed, 5100 in
that branch. We are at par with the Continent in the raw
hriala Or Iron, 60 that 0011 e can go to Market cheaper than we :
the reduced price of nails and the erection of the scram-engines,
remove all fear of our being undersold, is 114.11 t• ver the great mar-
kets for consumption of Willi and heavy goods, in N. and S.
America, particularly the former, and the E. and W. Indies,
silel! be opened. Nails are 1.5 per cent. cheaper than they were
!la or three years ago. lie is sure, that if the export trade to
America was again opened, the whole of the manufacturers of
Vest Bromwien would And employment. The diminished price
of the raw material is owing to the diminished consumption;
bat „ereatly, also, to the improvement. Immense new mines and
works are opened within last ten years. Never expects the raw
material to tie maim pounds a ton higher than ,tow. Trade of
nails with Canada, be ',chews, not diminished nor increased.—
A tolerably fair export last season to the West Mary
lorople tumeAvitbdratfn (ruin the Smith A ineriean trade. Arti-
er, of Spi; pattern seat there were paid for: the ;einem
1.. w ont. Considerable order ibr thatatuarter in hand. Not
rook Asa half the nail lade at most is for home consumption :
butthat, together with Canada, South America, and West In-
dies, ?sakes about tbree.tinrths Increase of American BMW—
factures creates considerable anxiety at Birmingham. As a mil
maker, be as no anxiety with respect to the machinery in Ansel
tics,

Aitmlll.—Mr. Tuosess Poe-rs, a merchant of Birmingham,
examined.—le.besiness 16 or 18 years, as an exporter to the
United Ste (Mee evidence as to the • workmen of the nail
trade mach to wine effect as lust witness. Prime workmen in the
manufactories of Hiroolaghtim, button bnrnishers for instance,
got 4 or 5 is from 4lls. to 503. a week : au' inferior man
in the ;plated line rem 25s _to 311. Now they get not one half.
One of A lower elms may get as before in a week, but generally
they have only one-half the work, and half the money. 'Phone
t -,es a half the week Oat of employ ore from 20 to 25,000. De.
ttLiencies in every. trade. Work ii.en out of employ ; hitherto
mist wonderfully peaceable. Manufacturers' stock accumulating
nithuut vent for it. Cora,,Lheratcs thestatements, as to probable
demise:AV worksook When trade was open with America it
was steady, and could be regularly calculated ape" bet steadily
increasing up to PION. Twenty years ago, Amer:cam behind
hand in payment. but progressively Improved. In 1807 no dif-
ticulty iu getting faytoeut for shipments. In 18061, after :lir.
4 elk ine's arrangeuteet, a cuieiderable fall in shipment, and one
in 111111: better payment then than evert ready money frequent-
ly to avail thernselvesef. the discount, In fill nothing done
but a few shipments, considered a high speculation. Daring the
embargo in 1804, considerable shipments to Canada for smug-
gling into the United states. The same attempted last year, but
so unfortunate result. Goods were cheaper at Quebec than in
the maeofacrering towns. Thinks the exports to America more
than one-half of the whole demand for Birmingham wares,
without tee/toning indirect shipmentsproagh Glasgow, Green-
1' r &c. For the Lest three or four years, exports to the Conti-
e•ot comparatively trifling. Exports to South America, far'
on incress'ng. No relief in South America for the loss in
:or th America, which was a regular staple trade, and could he
emptied for six months before the orders came. Dues not think
the Rirminghans goods very suitable to the South American I
markets. t lumsy articles that we could s •areely imitate, were
sent to us from thence as patterns. A most alarming progress
within twgyears in North American -utanufactures. lient3l-
one adverffsements recently in the New York Papers fur hands,
to engage in hasietwes preuliar to Mnochester and flientiaghatn.
Various schemes ea foot in Arne' lea for working mines,, &c. If
'letters in Conned were rescinded, would ship tomorrow, in
ennsequence of positive orders from Americans, with whoenthe '
ns'i lie Has engaged with two or three others, ships at Liver-
pool with that mew, without waiting to learn what the Ameri-
run Government would do. Four houses in Birmingham have
lead stock sailed to the market, of 210,0001. value. The article
for the home market is al wuysluwer when we cease exporting. ;
Mr. 2. Seew examined. Ile is Chairman of the-Chamber of ;
of Foreign Commerce of Birmingham, and exporter of bard.
wares to Coadaeut of Europe : used to expert to Germany,
Italy, Switzerland, Spain, Portegul„Terkey, sad recently to
South America, from 50 to 80,0001. a year or mege; the trade
materially deereakefi since 1807, more partieelarly last year.—
ry little exported to the Continent the last three yews. He
*f at a little I. Swath A:orrice, " when every Soo- was mad to
wed goads to Samos Ayres, after letter of Sir H. Nibs:e t"
6n- such rse. to pat of It, that IR will effect de Ware ut

LONDON:
FRIDAY, St 4.Y 8, 1811.

A Lisbon Mail arrived this forenoon, by which

we have received intelligence from the Peninsula to
the 19th ult. lustead, of the French armies dying
in all directions, as was lately represented, we find
them still opposing the Allies in several directions.—
MARMOST appears to bare entered Portugal by-Al-
meida, and to have pursued his course Southwards '
as far as 'uncles and Celorico, on the road to Lisbon.
It is probable that the French Marshal calculated on
Lord WELLINGTON proceeding into Spain after SOVET,
by which the course would be left clear for him to
advance with his army to the capital. Aware, how-
ever, of this movement, his Lordship has directed his
attention to the North, and some divisions of our
army are supposed to have crossed the Tagus on the
15th ult. with the view of intercepting MAamoter.
These advances may probably bring on an engage-
ment hetwden the hostile armies in this quarter. The
Lisbon Papers admit, that " -this diversion on the
part of Maintop/v. was a good one, as it drew Lord
WELLINGTON from the pursuit of Souty."' The
report of the siege of Cadiz having been raised
proves unfounded ; and there is no chance, now that .
the Allies have found sufficient work elsewhere, of
this occurrence soon taking place. With regard to
Seville, it is stated that DALLASTEROS had actually
taken possession of it, but fouod it necessary after-
, wards to retreat:on luariim of the approach of $4l pas%
amp •• .