The Statesman.
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STATESMAN,

wardesrer to his country 6 but be would not trod him
further than the law trusted him. It had been said that
the Act of Birclusiontras passed in consequence of the
misdeeds of Titus Oates. Hot his Infamous conduct had
been exposed and established long before the revolu-
tion, and it mild sot, therefore, be his conduct but the
principles upon which the revolution was effected, that
induced its authors to were and perpetuate these laws.
They felt a pressing and idable necessity for put-
ting it out of those persons, who hail involved the coon-
try in uneuinem and divisions during the time that
elapsed between the Reformation and the Revolution, to
renew their mischievous designs; and it was to accom-
plish that object that these measures were resorted to.
He was quite prepared to admit that the legislation of
today was not necessarily binding upon their Lordships
tomorrow. Hot it was quite in conformity with the
spirit of our legislation, that they should be tither
warned or guided by preceding Acts. If they looked
hack upon all those Acts which contributed to the builol-
big up of the fabric of our Constitution' they would Rnol
them to he declared Acts essential, and Acts fundamen-
tal, which should last tor ever; but in such measures as
did sot come within that description, there was no such
accompanying declaration. Well, Bon, let their Lord-
ships see what Kiog William stated upon the character
of tbe laws they were now called upon to repeal. That
Monarch said,that hi. object was, "to effect some per
B anent ottlessent of the laws, religicin, and liberties of
the country, which bad been attempted to be subverted,
so that they might never be diverted again." Let them
also see what bad been done by the Coavention, the chief
movers and sopporters.of the Revolution. They went
for the Prince of Orange, at a time when they were
desperately afraid of Titus Oates. But whom they were
afterwards relieved from that fear, what did they do /
They found that by the steatites of Elisabeth, certain pe-
Woes had been enacted...lolot the Catholics, and that
by the Act of Charles the Seeend, they had loco con-
di-seed, with the additional ones of disqualifying Peers
from sitting is Parliament. They then proceeded to re-
mote those disabilities. And that was sot all. They
said that it wonid be an asernaly in a free State for the
Commoners not to be allowed to choose their represents-
dos from all classes of men, unless there was a gear-
and total exclusion of any particular class from t
Rees of the State. Accordingly they said, "if
of Commons is to be Protestant—if the Hoses
is to be Protestant—we must have a Protssiset

Asa" It wits Is decimal assessarp to de
religions liberties of the eaultri. that • Prate/asst
cheaki sit apes tia Theme. Not only that, kr
imposed the ecefilides Oa* which profaned
a seatft for did' "Maul liberties of do
The late
_0 Art of the Revelation was to

CI; t, and to make the State .
auk h was that the Ring could oat take .-
oath until he had first made the declaration
ageing tisitiabstantiation unless be had i
been la Omit imideltips' beam The preseat
made the animates wake Ihemitopy they es
He hew manyof the deseesdante of the greet
selablishod the fletelades 1 and,
_if he had th
of konetogtbeleemenesis, and bid gone up stall
they with midst those laws, and told then I
were i pack of inreeds; and were doing so r
ildnewes off ate fear sod greandless alarm,
heeded they; mitild have thews him a much r
down again, than he should otherwise have
laugh.)—Yet they mpg Dew told that sock
theism. The last words of Slag Wilhelm a
the Acts of James 11. were ieteuded to 'obvert , _
vastest ItstablititliNitti end the Bill of Rights declared
that sash Establishment should regalia for ever. Their 1
Lordships were beentost only to look at the Fermat,
bet it the NOON atiliseq•esess of the act they were
sailed epos to do. He considered diet there would'
censure so seven apes the great authors of the he-
'#olation, as the repeal of their memos, this lin
portent question It was one otifsek pe to ex-
cl.& Cathellie from the *lima the Nana sod to open
it would be M maser, all the priasiples of the Ravels-
don The Articles of the &nob links mulineed this
whir, sad preyed that the sum prise:ivies madnued to
be acted dome to that period. Or tithe Articles
daprenly JeeWvd, that so Peer or Comeemer. who
Mtn Roini-Catleoftes. should be elected. He then
Mote to the Acts of how I. The Legislators at that
den bed nothing to do with the causes which operated
at the peens" of the Act of Charles II.; they had no-
tidos to do with the question whether the Reveled.e
wee useessary or not; they expressly repealed the Acts,
sad then re-macted them anew. if this Bill paned,
Iwo amid day eay to the Catholic Coanneaer, " You
Shall not sit la Parliament, bat the Catholic Peer shall ."
With all deference to the Noble Mover of the Bilk of
*bee it was impossible to speak bat with respect, he
nest tell him that it was impossible, and if it were pos-
sible,tiejam to do this. It was equally aqui to the
floveroiga, that he should he debarred Awn the right of
'tarrying whom In pleased, lithe diemittlifiestime were
M be removed Ann the Catholic Peer. lie should say
Is those who 'rimmed such a measure, " If yew will sot
Imillgt my Sovereign to marry a Papist, I will sot per-
mit a Papist to come here." It would perhaps be said
that he had always been calling out for wore specific
measure. He adnitted that he had; and those who had
hem in the habit of talking of general emancipation,
night to be ashamed of the securities they_p
with them. Well, Una, now it would be saide.ll:l
specific measure was offered to him. But it was inch a
msosure, that if be admitted it, he should not be at liberty
to resist any thine aloe which might hereafter be brought
forward. He firmly believed that the Bill, if adopted
by their Lordships, would lead to general emancipation.
.They were freqsently told, indeed, that general emsoci.
patios would came anise time or other. He did not be-
tra .lieve it. , hru.)—And be thought the oftener
that was , the farther would its fulfilment be off.
However tha might ie, be should always withstand it
as far as his power enabled him to do so. sad he should
*dude with the WPtils *Piing William—" The law!:
million, and liberties of my country I will melanin 4
mile therefore gave bison? decided opposition to the
Bill.—(HAr, hear. hear.) •
Reel \GREY said. that after the impression which the
eloquilece of tke Noble Earl had made upon their Lord-
ships, ilitoefd iOlease measure subside, be hoped no con
eines thew of- ttiseMcietiey of his argements to sap-
port his opposii to the Bill. Its should begin where
the Noble Earl h ended, and say, that to the liberties
of Ms country, as established at the Revelation. he was
as finely attached as any man; and if he could believe
that there was any thing is the present Bill which ope-
rated against those liberties, no man would be more
firmly disposed to resist the modes for its sowed read-
log. But he was satisfied that exclusion was not
ameagst the principles of the Revolutioa, but the alt•
°option. Believing it to have been the wish of these
who effected the Revolution to establish the fell, tallith
cal, and religions liberties of all their fellow subjects,
ia that they wets drives to the necessity of Makin
throe exceptions by existing name and dangers; be.
lining all this, and believing that such dangers and
•auses now ao longer existed, he appealed to their Lord-
.hips open the prineipies of the Revolution to resters
,tiese role wriest to the tights and priviletree orwhich
hey bad been deprived. It had heen sahl by the No
lA* Baron on the erns bench, that if this neonate were
!rented. it would lead to a full emancipation of the Oa
tholic body from all their disabilities. If this dbpl
could he predated by the Bilk it would set be an ale.
Inti' to his mind, etteepting Unmade as it night W
tit biddiese asses of gaining that nod. Ott at the
Ail had bees charged with this object. and from thence

as Infereses 'bid hem drawn elsewhere, that it was a Jo
ethical attempt to attain that object, he would here
deny his belief of any each impotation. It was tree
that the person with whom the Bill originated had al.
leaks been the able, constant. :talons, and it mixt he
died. most powerful &Irma, of the general toestMo.
But when he found that the claims of the whole body of
the Catholics were not likely to be brought forward at
resent by the person to whose care their interests sp.
Feared to be more immediately confided. be detertnioed
apes introducing the Bill wbieb was now before Owl,
Lordships' House. It would be remembered that he had
sever declared the whole claims of the Catholic body to
be founded on right. He Ind always said that men
should be allowed the exercise of free conscience in
matters of religion, and that they should be permitted to
wonisip their Creator according to the manner which
irared to them most befitting. But is doing this
they were Heide to certain restrictions for the safety and
'roadies of the Religion of the State. Upon strong
necessity, arising from political causes 001?. Could this
power of restriction be exercised. These, if the emu of
priof that such causes as those of seltpreserntloa and
oelf-defeace existed, must always lie upon those who ins.
posed the disqualifications and restrictions. Aid if
they were bound by this principle, in a general seem,ef
the situation of the Catholic 11••ly, bow much more se
were they tattle eases of lapse Noble Persons who sow
red beton their Lordships, not in themselves, Ms
toe of a senseof justice upon the mind of
thi Mfierrfebis Bill, Well thee, let their Lordships
see how this necessity bad existed. From the Reforms.
ties down to the Ante of Charles the Second, Catholic
Peers bad not been exeloded friss seats is Parliamesst.—
It was a clear point in history. that until the sth of
Qum. Elisabeth, no esti'. bad been required from per.
soap silting is either House of Parliament. By that
Act,... oedemas administered to the Commoners. but
Not previews *tablas their seats. and the refusal to take •
it WO Mesispaniedby aapeaalty. Bat is this eery sta.,.
nice tbetertaw as eseepdaa I. (avow of die Peers, who
were explassay exempted free nide, *smith. What
was the dentition of tile Q 11.96 at tkat doe Sbe was
seated ' -for • aid all the powerful e•-•
religion.

title , peovioisly a. fro-
him to be an open Catholic 1 and the Kinglike:
Wrras lookeiopoa with suspicion, and was my know*
lb have favoured that faith I. secret. Next COW dlit
i '.n Plot, the enormities ass cruelties of which eve*
on Noble Earl himself cold not think of without
ihadderiog. In the same mar the Bishops'. Tat Act
was by whisk ao opt was to be admitted to
till Peers without sabscribing to metals dee-
...7We was resisted by the hoses upon the resod
MIMI* right in the Peers of the lead to Mid sesta
that hewn. A wander; order was immediately pus. •
. detistaary of that right; and it was supported by
pof the most illustrious eases of the age. A Oben
may elapsed before the 30th of Charles 11. was
and passed with this Order still staadiai Mt •
hooks. Their Imelda must also look so soli by
Act was , sad they would Sad them
tithe very same men who bad passed the Stinsiliug
• wed who still did not deem it necessary to rescind
And why was this? Simply because the Act of Br-
=swas passed wider the don and alarm pro-
hy the Popish Plot. All the history of the times
Showed that the measure was founded upon that maw
dep. sad upon that necessity dose. With this view of
resbtlect, wtahiCigtolahtets mind wastitho: :Ibritearbesent:lauz
Minimitieo oar,
the times, and the fearful alarm into
WWI -the people were plaoged, and seeing that such
=llnowgve existed, be would pey that be stood
plusi the principles and the practice of the Coned-
tides. whew M asked. as a matter of just right, the m-
itered** or than Noble Peers to the enjoyment of their
natural prlefloges. If what the Noble lArd had said as'
to the meapine being smeltery upon some thing which
I arose after the period at which It passed, were wand, he
must ceiMaatms to the Reveled's; mid be (Bari Grey)
would say that ill its Acts stood upon priaciple excluded
and apart Meuse this measure, It was net the men fact
of its bails' hen souttowee at that period that woald
have served the Noble Earrs request. Be contended
that they were not to look at what had puma siace t
but they must look at the necessity is the danger and
alarm which existed at the time of passing the Act, or
else the foondetion upon which it was published, would
entirely faiL What were then the circumstances which
followed *pee the plot of that detestable villain, That
Oates? After the Revolution, there was • Sovereige
excluded from the Throne. who was at that time Im-
ported by great numbers of the people. He was also
supported by the powerful Monarch of Priam. Almost
all tbs body of Catholics in the country were stashed .
to his cause. They must look to those dawn for dm
explaairtioi of the laws which would otherwise be
wholly inconsistent with the principles mid acts of the
rovelaties. At a period, too, when the Uses COW'
lie relies* was regarded with feelings very differeet
from thew 'which it excited at the reseal tiller
.10leos eftiliblmost a oppentitious nature Wets ell.
termini es to the tenets and profess of awe
religion.—(Heer, hear.) Bat all such vielmit dac4
t trines had bees denied with the suedes of the leek et
the Reams Catholic Cliamb ; and the ski& Pliedlile
of faith which they sow professed were well umitialgale
and not regarded with the feelings they *Ma to Implal•
Therefore in looking to the period of thollevelndoe•Bg
fond these two grounds, which Masa tbit assiedetef
imposing each restriction 'loathe Coital be* ele_..._
a Popish Pretender could rot .1w be heroes see law
opinion of the itoinau Catholic religioa which was lbw
entertained, now so 'eager prevadedttno cgs. of
danger being removed then. bow was-it that the este-
sures of cession were soy loager necessary? 'the last
unhappy remount of the race who were 'weighed Ikea
the Throne was sow racism, and the undivided slaw-
den of de people se metered I. the family • ere
the Throne, that a Merited sumessios was net le IN
appreheaded. The Noble Earl had spokes of them who
had formerly proposed securities with the general msw
sure of Buteadpation, as he thought, with gmet temd-
ty of wrier. But, If their Lordships temesthetol what
bad beta said by a perms no little worthy of eaglet!!!
as himself, they would remember that lie escaped IT.
sesnare, borates he had len ago declared that he grew

' rePrue°"' seated ape her throne, and all the most powerful ma.
is a Iran' dons of u.ope were leagoed against bee religion. The
'Oa the of most ambitious. and the most powerhol Pope that er“
4 the tease I
reigned. gave his unction to this league, and to all the
"if `ten attempts apes her throne awd demitioas. This was at
Nits" Kieg 1.. 411111 AO suns pullet and the mina feeliop u-
s 010 sad I . she solesksailpik a the Nags of (has , and Ls
*Mat WV assuessu is ehe
pleattrmeifiotof St. ;PI
h. bat dig • it opeessary to *Wade
end es AM ' Poeuipsfelistaamissho these times; hat
tb• resph‘• a L ed a veilitiksseepties is
make die ,'4)---7-1. . . . Wae fiord se moos to re.
" ?riled' '''
'..• ante: tba oecuireweee which
sot take*, 1 • • ' Whet the ambition of
"and" * ', bs4o7.lbre .emery with his At•
Pgril"4 .n.l', - • 401 apoWit urea t the coolideaco
114 "Mew i./.5..., . r Catholic- Peers I Ireeetheyoeibet
sew ashoSoologayst the attache
.set mans win albs- MODBets of Charley
' tha ll'aiar IL I aid Vloo be Sari bad somewhat
"rile wil.rs diashielithidihe esseemesses 'bag bees twat is
i
that all roe,. * Thuridtioaf LiwitieLtil. trio sot eertaialy
"kr the jighiset• the. cowiiii;Se ardirt cromind
s, be,aPPra* - ihfabasis Tkei eine the ihieVAet. which was
igieger pr
itstoroded to site against. tlii Duke of York. This
' 36464 L —t was followed the declaration against treasubstantfl-
-4 wag rea, 3' dos, which also she lama object. and was attended'
° wan, ihat with tiia efeet of evolovisg tie Doke of York from air
!If' thorre: the 'Sees which be peoviossly_held. His conduct pro-

all ; and that if the meante were
fettered by securities, or it was
e parties who had so long suffer-
s, that it would be a great *no-
Catholic Peers late their Lord-
wad- Vetholies admission in the
asked bow they could do this,
in and 'Vase general emancipm
!ley could at., short as their an-
fiery could leers matters as they
Henry the Eighth down to the
wand, during which period Ca.
root :he Commons without being
s. These being his opinion., be
it could be argued that there
ger to the State, by admitting Ca-
f the benefits of the State. But he
'admission to such benefits would
neater*. He would not have sup-
eels a purpose. tie did not deal
doing his object. It was not ac-
e and practice to pursue inch
I was, that this Bill, if carried,
or retard the general question.
cross bench had stated his will-
Catholics all the privileges that
.Ith the safety of tie State. if.
e admission of these Peers. it re..,
what danger did arise to the
in Parliament previous to the
s. He could net mederstaod how
the Revolution, so sanctioned
repealed with safety. The No-
d it had been again laid down at
id, and that it was, binding for,
was provided for by that Act that
should he taken; but it was add-
melded ;" which meant until the
'vide otherwise. He ate a mar-
t;
and be thought be reeneroised
It said, " the alteration most not
t to strengthen security."

.. .
ELLOR wished to know from the
le law lb whkh be referred ?
had nevoid freer the measure! of
p. 1115,. Act of Union. mid the book
beta banded to bin by
observed that !be
, . of his sot.% but
notes is that Mail.
IA Semi silveliti bad be..
MA he Ws greeted to
he iMmllistsd that is 1807=
• . 4.ipzesd, they met with ell *-
opposed this Bill, lapfa
FaCatholics to the Army and
he. with the most dangerous of
If the sword. In 1817, however,
d, sad the Army sad Navy were
well as Protestaats. This was as
!tits which" were continued from
Jill before their Lordships. The
erely provided that the Officers
should be Protestants; there.
et of those services were to be
Nee coutrary to the prieciples of
ran no argaiseit 'Width could up
i to Nebb•Perseas, wbeee settee.
greatest: services to the State,
Ices groat personal claims apes
latained that the ease ought to be
a intrinsic merits, ad that it la.
Bequest:es. He was sorry, lades^
et gel forth/el bet se It only weal
Ilvidsahriglits, it was gadded int
a iadividualuserib. If this Act
anion Weald take dace; if It did
al discaielon would corarrito after
sad he hoped that time would sot
a the Noble Earl to say wily this
the general measure. fiesbetsgbt
good as a matter of Issas se the
to complain of tba ewelesioa.
it &drawee to the flees% and
'fortuity to the wish h always
ig its penalties buried whet se-
a Act would he ommiseest with
pies of the Osmellatelem Policy
sod it; mad Ise ememeetly hoped
mild do themselves the Jasties of
ezclusioalrem their books.

POOL rose. He was ready to
the ground choose hythe Noble
down—the my *anew mead
Ire eassideradespeosoribed. He.
• de ids, having ow former scar
' re:• =Los=oermeral quips-
. But look-
are, with refireaco to the gene-1
their Lordships to see how the
Earl bad said, that this Bill was
the general question, or to limit
• witli respect to it. Now with.
bother it was or was not right to
Iles from the some peivilego that
(the Earl of Liverpool) would
tie bill should pass, if nothieg
-(Hear, bear.) If their Lordships
toy should of- course pass it; but
icy should be of a contrary opi-
rto sanction the measure. He
if nothing men than this bill
could be more prejudicial to
veer-(Cries of haw, bear.)—
wds with respect to the Popish
; sad here ho would observe
seld all the details consectej
ihomnee, than himself. No mesa
4 the aefarious character of the

s they were conaected—transac-
danclsoly proof of the effects of
over the 'Wads of mem who lent
traipsing wretches. Bet wicked
.re in themselves. it did net follow
bate given rise to salutary and
ing back to the anterior part of
• century before it. he Mood the
on, in the reign of Edward the'
fly under some of the most pious
I or any other country had ever
swever, arrested by the sudden
'Milli there was little doubt that
te Crown would have been firmly
ul revolution took place on the
Mary, who was a most rigid Ca.
ppy circumstance of whose reign
him to recur. When Elisabeth
rn the Protestant religion was
the question as to the connection
benne the Church and the So.
been duly considered. Though
Imre', there was so law enacting
Protestant Sovereign; nor was
At the Sovereign from marrying
ripeness was, that all these cif.
to leave the Church Is a state
•. that infatuated blosareb. bad
olio alliance Gov his see, and got
ighter of Louis XIII. a measure
b the most disastrons effects. In
section between the Church aid
Hen decided by any legal enact-
was mainly so be ascribed all