The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-04-18 00:00:00

an (Stf Vaisirierg) u alone responsible for the ill
.+21.1 of tie qiwition. If the cause was lost, it was
piing to the too great anxiety of Gentlemen to get into
office (laud cheers). IVith that, however, lie had no-
-thing to do f all that he stood up far was to defend him-
deli against the sweeping imputelion of the Right Hon.
Gentleman. In conclusion, toe Right Honourable Mem-
ber said that he was ready by his vote on this night tv
viedieetrill Th' *PIO& winch be had ever tkpres nett
on this subject, and that hie support should never be
withheld Weis etetleeiligren the emcees cri wisick
drkent
eel the honour, itgfety, ould prosperity of the empire at
,large.—(Heat, hetet) ,
Mr. C. -W. WYNN admitted that the causes whieh intr.
enced the sueeele of fellers of a measure of this importance,'
;*ere
fair aufilects for canvass and consideration. Ile re:
lorteil Me charge of incaniisteucy which the Right lion.
tteetlenian (Mr. Tierney) had made upon Net and sonic of
his colleagees, contending that such a charge ennui with a.
pardenierly bad grace from that quarter. It had beeu said
that be (115. W.) eacriticed the cause to his lave addled; thk
he denied. bio far trine making his ceasieteney the price of.
hie advancement, if the success of this measure depended on
nemehtiog out of office, he world have gladly, pursued
ibet ceurse.—(Hear, hear.) But it was alit trud that lie
(44„ W.) and his colleagues OW made no terms repine sinn-
ing into office. 'NO benefits which Ireland derived from the
(loveruinept of Lord Weleeley and tee Adi ii iii istration of
lals Right Hop, Pliant the Attorney-General, were mortal
the effecti of those stipeletioiss. By this means a pletLe
WO heal out to that couutry that party distinctions would
be lost sight of, sad the low impartially adininistered
to
perepne of all religious profs mione. Ant, lit effect, the dis-
tribution of justice for some time back waf marked by a
character of impartiality which it did not possess formerly.
—(heer.) The Right lion. Geutleman then was not war-
ranted in therein! liim (Mr. W.) wit loconsiateacy ; and
it was always tree, that he who suspected his brother °NM-
elmulation and deceit, lodged of him by the standard which
was its his own breast. As to the motion itself, he would
net now give an opinion open the propriety or improprlet
of bringing it forward ; but he could nes sit down without
elpresoing his determination at all times, stud tinder ell cir-
curuatances. to save the measure his support.
Mr.IIENN ET and Mr. PEEL rose together, but the
SPEAKER called upon
Mr. BENNET, who said, that having voted for this goes-
lion sine ISM, as one vitithy affecting the safety and honour
of the empire, it was with reeled that he was obliged to with-
draw his support now, frum a feeling of ditiont et the want
of faith in those ;eho were most forward in promoting it.—
U filentieureo were sincere in their zeal for it, that sincerity
would be better shown by deeds than proressione. Ile lir.
11.) could not consent to take a part In nit+ comedy. 11' 11 •
voted for the question law, lie would be doiagau
the Irish people by unneerssarile raisin;( their hopes of eh:-
mate success. at the very time when such a coneutninative
was moat improbable.
• Mr. Secretary PEEL, said lie had been calloid upon,
by some observations of the lion. 11 ember for Westmin•
stet (Sir F. Burdett), to stand) in S .11 61,fenee. That
Hon. Barone; bad questioned the sincerity of his (Mr.
P.'s) opposition to the cause of Cattio,ie ip i•hot.
)jlowould tell him that such ill jail:MN/lion seas to•a'
ty
Onfo.llldell. It was certaiuly open to Isi+ Right Hoe.
.14.riend near him (Mr. Plunke t). and 'hese who Alyea
the cause, to blame his (Mr. P.'s) opinione, and to rebut
his arguments but it ens not ronsistent with a professed
, advocate of toleration, not to extend so ne iniluleetire re
an adversary who differed in opinion um Line (li art
The Min.-Baronet should not spied; utletatiu t, and :.,!
intolerantly. He had allii.••;, as if et • question cunt tin
the whole argument against this measure, wheel. r lie
(Mr. P.) was afraid of the Pretender, the P. or the
Devil. (A laugh.) TWA was not eztctly the time or
the circumstances under which lie sti ',lied to state his a!i-
men When the tuition wag broitehr forward, if it wet
brought fore aid, he would then state hi: continued an I
h
coutirote objectio to te rinciple of this measure.—
Until thed lion. Banros net It Ipoard those ohjectious,
ought not to have qtrestioned his (Mr. r...) sincerity.
lle had no wish to coerce! his areivion. He %weld ra-
ther submit to cornet extension front nhi e, though that
was no great sacrifice, titan compromise :I principle.—
From the earliest periods, lie had opposed all coneessi.
to the Homan Catholic. In pursuing this course he Eared
not whether such a course was popular or nut. A Might
Hon. Friend of his (Mr. Wynn) had said that Ireland
hail not felt the advantages of imperial justice once
within a late period. He could rot hear this without
expressingitis dissent from the truth of it. lie had been
Secretary for that country for a considerable time, bet
he defied the Right HOD. Gentleman to state any inst Mee
in which the administration of thrice was market be
partiality. He certainly entertained sentiments upon the
question of Catholic Emancipation, which he never con-
cealed, but they did not intl.:twee him in his public con-
duct. He bad ever made the existing law of this land the
role of that conduct. Ile felt that the ranee of this op.
position to Catholic Emancipation I.ii•l him open to runs-
construction, but yet he did rot think, he should litre
I been held up for that opposition ea the champion of a
Prolestint, Orange, and bigotted ascendancy.—(Hear
hear.) The Catholics of Ireland caul I not have expected
his support, knowing as they did the principles which be
uniformly professed. He did expect from their justice that
they wool I respect the sincerity of his conduct. (Cheers)
Mr. WYNN, in explanation. stated, that he had used the
expression—that impartial justi 20 would be administered in
Ireland, in reference to the exclusive principle which had
been upheld in all former Administrations in Ireland. But
with regard to his Right Hon. Friend who had just sat down,
he could only say, that from having witnessed his cordial
ca-veration In the promotion of measures fie the benelit
of Ireland, he was cmvinced tint his Right Hon. Friend
was ready heartily to join is the beneficent views of his
Majesty towards that country.
Sir F. BURDETT, in explanation, observed, that he
had stated that he could not beliese any man could seriously
feel soy apprehensions of danger to nrise in Ireland in en. -
sequence of full concessions being made to the Catholics;
and so far from insinuating any doubt of the Right lion.
Gentleman's sincerity, he respected his sincerity so much,
that he would be satisfied elmost to place the issue of this
question upon the declaration of the Right Hun. Gentleman,
on his 'moue, whether he felt any appre:iensious of the re-
sult of the concessions to Catholics? The Right Bon. Gee-
tleman had not, however, declared tket Le lea any appre-
hensions.
Mr. PEEL said he understood the lion. Baranet to say
that apprehensions were pretended to be entertained by ems*
in office, for the purpose of retaining their place.
Mr. BROUGHAM said he was sure that the House
would pardon the anxiety which prompted him to tri se
pass, for a short time, on their au• nnon, though be had
not the good fortune to be present at the early liana
the discussion. They would p ado!' hint if he felt the
greatest interest in the fate, trot of the i.e ition now be-
fore them, whether it alsould be laid on the table or no.,
haul no less a question than this, whether there shrill
he an end now and for ever mere ol—(Cries of "
no!" from the Opposition Benches)—He was exceeding-
ly gratified by the cheer of bin Hon. Friend+, though
somewhat irregularly atlineistereil, lie must admit, h'-
cause it conveyed the asenranve that ihit which he at
prehinded, would not be the cis:, ;lel that theluestina
was not to he given up for lost. tie hail heard a Ivicer
and recommendetione repeatedly addressed to the Right
Honourable Gentleman, whose notice good upon the
hooks for that night, to withdraw the qnestion, and le
certainly did rise to protest agaiinet that course. Ile wog
anxious that his lit. Ilim. Friend shout I fulfil his pledge.
and that the question should be brought on. Ile ale
im rted
all that had li-en said -on his ante ef the Ho Ise, mad
most of what had been Watel on the other. He fully
concurred with his Honourable Friend, in having tax
worst possible opinion of the conduct of those who, he
stated—and lie now arraigned them fur it, had sebtanti-
ally a%•anloned their duty to this lineation, who were
far from following the simple, plein, intelligible conduit
of the Secretary of State fur Coe Hulse ip.srtmenti nibs
hail always epolic.his sentiments openly, nuiferinly• ago

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took office on a secret under
ally or altogether, any par
whose mouth, heart and coot
be • real index of the h
unison upon this questit
;wed Mr. Brougham,
followed upon my side 4
I should not have to du
the despair which fills s
But, whatever the conduct 4
tieneral for Ireland might I.
front his former professions;
that be had, let the Right
Affairs (Mr. Canning) have
critical 'earnest for this qui
flirter. when the question si
ludia into bononreble exile
pot to his sapience of tritely
io hard labour is Lie owl
Owned teethe 'western of d
his enemies, pitied by his fri
tied doers its all those Sate
iSiles • an.l sentiments- iv,
It t us take that cri•ical tem
on Lord Chance:lor Eldon,
Catholic Claims; if at that
said last night, that he se
•bint for New Sarum (Lord
Waited the most incredible
ling, fur the purpose of ob
furnished itt the hisfasey of
Mr. Secretary CANNIN
false. • •
• A solemn silence peeved'
appeared to us to he in
• house. when
The SPEAKER ewes!
that an Hon. Member,holi
Right Hun. Serretsry, sh.
respect whi, It was d..e to t
•• the House.
Mr. Secretary CAN ND
•Irave been guilty towards i
gise, but Lodging—no con
we to retract what I have
The SPEAKER said, t
much difficulty, es lie left
he would ask the Ifotive.i
hips. He would tferefor
]loose whether it would 111
tote, under the rote, tion
Ilonourable Gentleman wl
expressions, which lie ass
order I.y which the debat
plated
Mr. Secretary CANN':
sorry to incur the &spies
not retract an expression,
cenyietion in hie own mi
• • Mr. BROCUHAM wa
cries of "Chair, Chirr.
The SPEAKER. again
owl nut guilty upse any
but he was most autism.
• this breach of its iegule
not disposed to ronakbe•
• The CIIANCELLOA
hoped that he was uot
one Alember or one Geui
• skier, but he would ask tl
. what it was that, be bad
a'l times expressed his
querre, but sometimes
soy if the expressions no,
Gentleman were applied
did, to contain one of th
person tl character of Li
. siteinst his •pnblic eon
had a right to scrutirth
what regular manner 1
feelings. He was quite
Gentleman would be doi
character as a Member •
fensive expressions. 111.
this request, as he was
• tleman could not have
He could only say that
mince of language use'
veyed offence, contrary.
the person who had utc
The SPEAKER laid
the propriety of calling
• meat in the difficulty ti
perceived that souse of
—(Cries of "No, no.":
gratulation to the Hou
that the lanittlat4e tv
expression. was in itsel
duty of at once interfe
interfered if he felt wi
roan who had just sat
Learned Got tient so's l
•
I*. He now, therefor'
and Learned Gentler=
hesitate in answering
circumstances of She c
Mr. BROUGHAM
but

Mr. TIERNEY ros
the regular course we
his Hon. Friend's wl
House would see that
like regular debate, i
middle of a sentence v
that pronounced by th
He thought that the
wade it necessary that
dispose of the Right
- To let his words stan
Learned Friend fur al
tray to the practice r
objection on any gron
Lave to withdraw the
The SlV.':alt vat sit
which had been made
Li-ntleanan were recA
Learnyd Gentlemen I
v err considered not
tendon of lkis inter
words were official an
had a•tverted to this a
duty to call the Rig
awl now he hoped t
luau would recap the
wade use.
Mr. Secretary CA!
fleeted on the words
" bouu•l, wbatever cent
to declare that he es
that l& made use of.
Lord A. lIAMI LT
• language of his Hun,
• the rules and prartil
I very• different front ti
tine. Ile held it to
the first violator of
tisfaction to the Hon
from the preceding p
of order. He, they
it incumbent on hit
who was the first vii
requiring that he Al
glry •ya.
Mr. UANKES Nal

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