The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-19 00:00:00

*if, 11 • debt, that his debts shoed sot be paid out of
that fond.
An HON'. whose name we could not
learn. opposed the amendment. His Royal Highness
the Duke of Clarence bad unavoidably got into debt.
With respect to the technical objection of Hon. Mem-
bers opposite, be had to observe that the House had
as yet waived no official notification that the Queen
had accepted the provision granted her by Parliament.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY stated that her
Majesty bad taken up the whole amount of her income
from the time of its first commencement according to
the Bill.
Mr. ABERCROM BY said, Oat few questions had
ever been discussed in that House, in which less con-
sideration bad been shown to the pieties concerned.—
Ile was sorry- that the Duke of Clarence had been ad-
vised to ask for the arrears, and although he felt be
seas doing an ungracious thing in refusing to vote for
them, it was but justice to his country that he should
do so.
Mr. WILLIAMS spoke against the motion. lie
I.mA not admit the cogency of the arguments of the
N.tb:e Marques! opposite. If the Duke of Clarence did
sot chase to accept the money offered to him by Par-
bailout, and to uphold the dignity of his station as was
Cie intention of the prant, it was no reason his opinion to
indite the House to view his present demand wore fa-
voarably. Why did the Noble Duke not conic to them
two years ago, when he found that lee could nut sup-
von the dignity of his station without the addition to
his into;ae iris kit had been offered him
Sir J. GRAHAM ties able to inform the Hon. '
Member wbo spoke last, that if his Royal Highness had
been left to himself he would have sent a message the
to Hope two years ago, and indeed he was willing to
bare accepted the grant from the commencement, and
had only been deterred doing so on both occasions by
the advice of those who were perhaps better judges of
the waiter than Isis Royal !lightness. The country had
at least been saved the interest of the money for three
years.
31r. DENMAN confessed he was not satisfied with !
Cie propriety of the step it was proposed to take in
point of Parliamentary practice. He thought a uses '
sage should have been sets: from the Crown. Instead
of this, however, they were called on to proceed upon
what load passed in a former Reign, in a former Ses-
sion, and in a former Parliament. lie thought there
iris reason to complain of the manner in which the
Noble Lord opposite had introduced the (tame of the
Queen. It served certainly as a splendid contrast to
other nam• s, but if her case bore any analogy to the
present, she was entitled to 99.000/. of arrears, tince
sl:e refused 15.000/. of her inctrue in Ps 14.
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) said, that if the present
cinestion were one of arrears for the Queen, the
1.-arned Solicitor-General opposite, would without
soire ado, vote for them, and ft.r himself (Mr. M.) hr
declared tbat if it could he shown that the Queen in-
curr •.I expenses abroad above the amount of her an-
tut tl income, lie would be the first to vote for a sum to
ewer Gust. expetts:•s. The country was not poorer
now than when it first offered the Duke this suns, and

lie begged to tell the Learned Solicitor-General up-
p 'site that he 361111t1 vole Attar pro tune,iu EAVoillr of
the motion for granting the whole amount.
Mr. I)EXIIAN said he never said her Majesty was
emitted to the 90,11Utlt. but had assumed the contrary
a• the foite.lation of his argument
Mr. .I.l.ierm..n 11-001) contended that his Majestv's
Ministers had acted with crest i'liberality towards
the Queen. They had promised her horses and car-
riages, a house, plate, &c. and yet %%hen her Majesty
came to receive the five quarters of t'..e grant wade
her by Parliament, dedueti ms were made for th
things which they had promised to provide her, acid
instead of receiving 1111,411.10/. slit...ily received 12.0001.
—(Cries of Question.)
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
For the Amendment, Rl—Against it, 13I—Majority
for the oricinal 110ti00,50.
tills II MISCELLANEOUS F.STIMATES.
On °tir re-admission to the Gallery, iie found the
llowo in a Committee of Supply.
31t. C. iIRAN f moved some grants to clef av the
expenses of certain miscellaneous services for Ireland,
but, from the noise which prevailed in the !loose and
in the tiallery, we here unable to hear some of the first
moved Grants. _ _

On a rote of 10,000/. for the education of the Poor
in Ireianil being proposed,
Mr. BECHER stated some objections to the grant.l
on account of the manner :u which it was applied, in-;
tertering as it appeared to him with the prejudices
of the Roman Catholic population of Ireland.
Mr. C. GRANT vindicated the manner in which the ,
money was granted by Parliament for this express ob-
ject was appropriated. If the system of education prae-
nsed iu the tinplovirient of the money were, like that
systrtn proposed last Session by an Hon. and Learned
fient:emati (Mr. Brongliani,) a national system to be
made imperative upon the whole nation. the objection of
the Hon. Member cright have some foundation. But as
it was altogether voluntary he could not conceive what
tational objection could be felt to it. The Institution to
whote charge the employment of this money was en-
trusted, came recommended to them by high authority,
and also by the good which it had done. Ity the last re-
port it appeared that up to January, IS2O, the number
of Schools which the Institntion assisted was 191 ; np
to January, lil2l. 2-15, of which 125 were new Schools
set up doting the last rear. The number of pupils in
t's,e,e Schools was 16,574. An immense number of
bov!rs on moral mill scientific subjects had been distri-
buted. 'Prey could not more cripple the progress of
education and cis ilization in Ireland than by stopping
this grant at this particular moment.
Sir .1. NEWPORT objected to the interferehee of the
'nonunion alluded to by the Right Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. C. Orant,) because it trenched upon the province
of the Established Clergy of the country, who were
t.,und br the obligation of an oath to superintend the
eerie:aim' of the poor of their respective parishes. lie
was convinced that no general plan of education could
shit the pi rcent state of Ireland.
111UME remembered perfeetiv well that the prin-
ciples on wbith the Institution or •Society in rquest.nin
was fonci.sti. was to give assistance towards the educa- .
tion of thP Catholic poor children. That he knew to
hare been the principle of its fonnilation, anti what was
now complained of was, that this principle had been de.;
"'latest from; for it was now the practice of the Society
to give no assistance to schools where the bible was
read with notes to it, and as no Roman Catholic school
used a Bible without notes, it was clear that they could
not receive that assistance which it was the original in-
tentinn of the Society to give.
Sir. PEEL said, the Hoe Oentlesnan who spoke last
had mistaken the principle of the foundation of' In-
stitution. It was liner -Weeded for the exclusive this
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