The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-06-08 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

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i writs nf the question. 'I he Hooke wood I -dry to snake a Previous. romamaeetlon oU the suli)ett to
'Arra. ..
• •use tom the facts of the raw. wite,,,out brine I Parliament, Het did the Holimerable Member not know
:viro.-
• • ell to soy ultimate jteletuent • upon it. Hay- that the {'roan hod the pow rof origineliug all money
,shred to
11,i,
ouch on the it,.,,litun, io tar as the teLiol,Lltid he not kno that the Crown orleinated
''' „ ....swerved. he •11411.141 how sills& to seine all """n" '"'"'" a """liWnlra4jaa aas made to the House
:spreisj- ;,1,151% o h•ell had been Made on the r,rt.cilHop "swricttlilil,i.e..,,ett‘notire li, o, i 'this was the ontiaery course;
y wire st use and that so c rimed it neves-
of soul aim: e ,th regard to the ll'it6ee W 'Skil had harts miry to st.lisitihe any !foreign power. we situtold advise Use
• her M o'cstv. As t.s the advice, enough yvas to .
vto to J • Man !open the pa) mein DI the speedle state. a ithom feeling
:eh en the 'at,• of the paper alreAy looked. to show llt has dolts to give Sus pre ions intimation t: P I' • tof
el
roe of it. He should, however, leoneeler that the i flit eirenno. stonier. or ehlilbiting any pinked; r naortilerlin.uenn the
fp.l% ,
tom, trouts. out think lie dist Itarged bie duty, if i leer of the instnletent. It nes clear. that its tide he multi
le-teil to say any thing on tile *observations which I not he cunt:Meted as exercising nu) disposition to encroach
• upon. the functions or prly Urges of Parlientent. As to the
Hon mr.thle Members ha;, tottered on th.st s. Odom'.
,e oiabeo to protect the Homo. from the error and delta- rioelslons whirl, he thought it proper to recommend for her
ajesty. he lout neon that pdint been sanctioned by the dew
' hil, it ryas sought to poet:tier on it.—(Cries of i
Osten of Parliament. the auto he proposed beil:c to the sinus oa W I i•
ha. •
he 3 front Mr. ltronaliam.)-•He could a,stire the i antnunt as that determined ti to befixed by an act of the Legit..
, . •
locuerable and leaitc,l Metob.er, as well to,
'he Riffht !store on a lo,rmer occasion. when the Ille,likit, Person left
Von. lientlensan wlm sat near him, that they could tilt . the ri„mir).. *flie whole arraneement a ith respect to her
,osoiblv place the painful duty a h•is devolve I upon the had heels communicated to the Hon. Member alto was her
ii,n.rroinent is a stronger light that: those whose task 'raid mkiser : and the (tidy condition ou %%Melt the propo-
,; inm, to discharge it, weir 41,11tORPti to admit. Hitt %aloe was made was. that sate shoottd eusteinee to reside
,brr
deprecatea a pri...,th,r,.. iticerojgaliou ; and if the , abroad. But it arts askc.t. if a tender had not teen made to
bee to elle up her dignities as Queen ? Ile never thought
ti;vcroment felt it their dote not to give more in detail
thatsti sifssui•:o7oll.oroutotoismitiouney‘tys, ofr ehoutoli.t. 111111111% The only
which, wit linut a full intrirs, woulol be
.t' a traesation,
bit imperfectly developed, tll3ll was merely necessary to teantol„ abroad, she Ai.i.iihho., ~,,,Ite„r,idiii,: dignity
Io aeins'plitliiLlcliedie
iecd to an investigation of those riceuemtairecus which tad „mum
•-•mung•.., .
stokteson • rharacters, to.serne such a title as
attested them its tendering the •.1 •ice they had glint to
would not create a perpetual question among our Nlinistees
lie Crown : vet, as that advice load not been tendered at (orrice ('uurte as to the manlier in which she as to be
iti4'
A air teol,l or idle %tones repecting the eoeilect of triusurd 1,) them. It nes not, however, meant h; ';his, that
•
the Iliostrions Peremsee in iple‘lion, but front solid and she 5h.010.,1 forfeit her i izlith and dignities as Queen. and the
setostantial inhumation, those facts ought to he taken
a,
Ilan. and Learned Ceti:lmam. her Connsel, had at this mo-
,„ wily; presumptions to favour Of inquiry. Yet he wag meat a document in his possession o Welt would umnide•te4
L, unacrstemi as desirous to stoat out oily part of Iwo% r this Met, and place it beyond the possibility of doubt.
riot to le thsclatteed the imputation of having used any intbeeoce
this enestion Wan _ kete°l_ ~_,h in'est,,,,,,ie.a_..tiuti• ,I,,_e IwITI, with forcigis Governments ant: regard to the manner 'in
Men Mite Hui. Aaell'leffle" "" toil other It" world which they were to receive her 31ajesty: soul I:e did not by
:perreiee that !here was no inclinaf no the ht trt of his an) means %%kis to relieve himself from responsibility as to
Al.tjestv•s Ministers to pret ipit toe Parli,otiesit into the the set stem he had acted open in this respect. 11 hen the time
di.„•ossion of charges, -Oak,' an 'twit' character involved :mould arrive fur considering it fully, lie should he prepared
tia••ran! blame. That discus ' haol twett urged on by a ith a satisfactory vindicetion of Ills condttet and motives.—
evcats, urer which they bad no rontroul. But so Hoe. llt was an twinst and utoomoted ren.ure to charge him, or
them with with whose he acted. with any disposition to treat
and Learned lientleumu (Or. litoneltann) said last night ,
Iteri Majesty with ilk/I.:feet or eenteimit. Itet while he
that this duty world be laid neon Government, not only
to make oat a strong case in /order to implicate hrr ass
tod this,tlle phrii.%
itif:liittedi
htintier lipwfilir,anar
ti.lgtoe
ante uei 1.0.1110
1 distinctionin h t
Majesty, bat also to prose, to the entire satisfaction of There ass n very great difference between a Queen of right
the House, that at the moment they advised the Crown mid a Queesi of grace and favour. Tile Queen of grace and
to make this communication, titer had no other course of favour might, or might not, be reecilist at Court. according
proceeding to adopt. He now felt himself called upon to the terms on a hick she stood ail' the Monarch, for it
'to defend iiitoselfagainst the opinions argeti on a homier could not he denied that the King had the some power of re-
light by a Right Hose Ogistlemais olopoottle, and by an Palling his conduct toe aria his remity with any other indi-
Hen. and Learned Gentle rimi e lou sat on the saute liana' in his dominions, or of managing the affairs of his
bench. At the time when i' ;: Tame nect-svre to settle own house. 'Else coronation was a eurresssoay at whirls per-
sons were aliowtel to assist only at the discretion of his Ma-
th: provision for the Crown, the Hight Go-. Gentleman
•te whom he alluded, called the attention of the House to icuo.sulido'n).retri iho'n"al ilir't inreasnudto iosl7;.litilorillt„tit sax
int; t to he
certain rumours which he had heard of the Queen dis- laugh.)—.t charge! °lied also been Made. rtib"...iilltrt neer.—Ma-
honouring the high station, she had attained. lie (Lord jest% 'a moue not hying mentioned in the Liturgy. but
'Castlereagh) had reason to suppose, that the sentiment% it mould. he contended. ben mere mockery to advise the in-
then expressed by the Ri•tht Hoot. Gentleman. would serien of Imr Alejesty's name le the Liturgy from the tele-
rrern his conduct in the present instance. 'l* he Right lion in which she stood towards the Sot ereign. The Metter-
lien. Gentleman then ex loceteol that the mentors should liens le British Ministers abroad, with respect to the manner
.111 disavowed, or that the Honer should be failed on to in which they were to Woke towards her ;Majesty. had been
so far back as e year acre set ortha
trifitiee their ow n joulgusent upon them. ,and the Right
WO. Oentlentan haul stated, not less hardily, that either egivencliril,.;(:,l:ll.r ilt::lttnerre. silie heftlerltiat)leigsti)a.nudas Isli;trkilnt° and
the tro.nitini!: 'f biiii.eini t
er n,ils could he persnivied himself that his Majes;e bail not Mini.ters represented, and therefor... :t would not‘*lseedircoo:
110111111thetd, err that an Illnatrious Indiviiinal haul not rotes for ono of them to introdece her at that Court to whirls
riegimet med. vilified, and calms' niated. —(Hear, hear ..) he happened to be dinned. The) a ~,. lion e% er, Instructed
eellet.t e other Honourable and Learned tleutleniati to posy every ragout' to her lief:1111111P I • lion and comforts
tapered to concise witls his Right lion. Friend while 'retelling. Ile thought it rig'.: to• s:nie distinctly, that
;Voris, believing that there was no other
it was tell to forcien eoverionients i. r •.•.•:se her MejeSr) as
VA
either on Parliament ur Ministers than
:thatthey thought tit ; hu: that it MU 11111kr.:" at to be the custom
• . int and sacred dote in such a case to avoid with thme not to ree•ive any persons i• I ,were not rt. ec', ell
all disclosures which were likely to adonis the public at their own Courts. If it were though! !ht iseries or Ulan-
tiffeatiwas haul attended her Alajesty's eroagrmess through any
mind, and affect the public .tratiquillity. lie had pert of tot' Contment, they arose emorely from the &tenni-
justlx considered, that feeling.% and characters were nation on her part not to travel staler any other character
al risk, and that motives, letth of poliey and duty, than that of itlneuel of England. .I.t to the steps totem upon
maspired not to sanction an investigation, unless it her 'nisei iu ad:country, her Majesty was as are, and must
reseed by the molt urgent circumstances. From hate known) teat uputusuch ass eveut occurring, the ketone-
fOp,
Mill Mies limed an the subject from that diate eonsmeiteire vs oillit be, lib hale eia, question in *bleb-
n. and Learned Member, be could nut discover :ray she was concerned submitted to public int eetigation. As
relaratinn of those sentiments. Even wlth his feeline •, soon as slit came forward to claim all the honottrs and rights
Y the advocate of her Majesty, he did toot see him ofis- Lei raging to it 4`)"re" Of ElleleU.l-86 soon as it ass known
Well to make it matter of charge against Itiaieters, tha'''oft 1.','"i1",-.• ale ~,.a""hi "lye' „the, iThlie_ 1.11,14:111,°,1_11
that they had not urged on au inquiry into her conduct, usually
ll •e Ita• Illuletto• •Iti• .i.3lleri 11°7 s' t nt..eat„oloiltd' ninolkretd„aPi‘evrtlualmleesi
or that they still left the door open fur terms of Want- fur the eStabiltLtil.ll.t I.r and
all her claims as Qaern of this cotiu-
' geolatiten, in the hope of obviating the painful duty try —from that samisen: the CloYertsotwut had no option.—
which now devolved upon them. If there mold, by any , Timm wai re, di-pesition a lostever, hermit! sksitre the House.
.piesibility. be a doubt of the propriety of the mum iu the highest quarter. to cramp or restrain iter Alajesty's eau-
which the Government haul adopted in this transaction, veuiences awl cujcy menie. When It was lama° that her
. the occurrences which had taken Glace within the last Majesty load", a cweetaeleali",ll,B,s made to "'" front the,
fort ht hours would show how little advantge could First Lord of toe 'freasury (Lora eaverpotol,
the Mt.,. as I Learned Gentlemen. but through her 0%11
if dreitethl from negotiations wills her Majesty. She
seent Hit I his ulcer, that no interruption inithie reenter_ payment
pier- ere little regard to the advice of her Counsel ; for
sintinotenta and diseloeures bed been made public, which, owfatshreatitsieed. 'silt
t•irs„
isoboyu lien tale
a,i‘ place,
t.l
;u
andnt I truirtrre"triltat ilia"nelyi•
accrortling to that Hon. awl Learned lientletnan's own t aceatonnoftetions were reimired in the way of ads Incas. thee
statement, were garbled and incorrect, Site took the world be freely given. in order to mashie her in provide a
advice of persons who were but ill qualified to give it, 1 residence of her own.—lllear, hoer iy-- -tic denied that her
MA thht advice was botho lanientehle and criminal, Majesty cooed retie, it as :Wig • be lodged in any of the
fßepetated cries of Hear, hear !)--It appealed to the pas- I palaces of the country. It la be inconvenient in many
skins of the lowest order, of die peopie.__(Heur, (,ear!) ►respects, and there were at pre.. any of the members of
the Km al Family lodged in privet all -Meat i)--
-and who was lie, nut altogether blind to the pre-
Ile believed tie had nue touched t all the
utsterial eircum-
%eat state of affairs, that could possible shut his eves to
, thP Motives and purpose for which such an appeal was es:leas:eel
iwi biehifittiainntspri.raryt for
ilsiliwlt
tatokegtuittatinttoo4:llloll
at-
no nowle.—(llear, hear.) —For himself, he rejoiced that Wade which it aIS a out Zeiallaell:11 all great questions. lie
Ministers acted upon afrinciple which must guard the trusted also that the people would not fad to wait pet:catty
' public WWI from the effect of inch bane anti perfidions the result of the preseut *minify. But if an) disposition was
artificer. And what was the step which had led to this felt in any quarter to make this subject a source of agitation
• tour*? , If her Majesty was innocent, was there a man I to the country. aml here "lie could not. in justice. nbstaio
• with the feelings of fiunian nature shunt him, titsit j from stating. that as far as the tan lion. and Lharnerl Gen-
- noted apt feel the highest gratification at it ? Certain- tle•nten opposite were coarerneol, there was a total absence
of all such dispositions; but if(' turned out that her Majesty
Iv net. What were the feeliuge of her advisers (for, a
had lent berarif to any anischieyou% mind coarse adviser—
ge had said, she had others besides legal advisers), hes
IMAM net pretend to ennjecure ; but this he would load docent—tic gi,)ll--,Htllores
ii resultherwixocideualectiusaa te0.r.1,).-cteosnecherhnor,rd..tahamti
taws
fearksely Ineintein, that the course pursued by the fio- trusted she world he able to establish both—(Cheers frum
vernmenewas above all suspicion. What the nature of 1 the Opposition.)—hut as ter as tier eltaracter ass concerned.
thaillassui would be, they never concealed from those 1 she would Eat that it could dense wattling but slain and re-
melt siikled" to be made acquainted with it on the part proaeh from such dangerous. each weak, ur wicked ash isere.
Wlkeeeliak,,,pnd who hail It in their power to give I —(Cheers front both sides of the liouse.)—The \ (dole Lord
lb behAtaf such information. The Hon. and I eenehided with ;fluting. '"fisat the papers which were v es-
Loaned Gentleman opposite (Mr. Brougham) hid been i terday presented, and laid on.the table 'tithe Goose, be ret-
ie nomespioa of theproileidings determined upon, fur , fersedute a .Belerteonneiller to consider the matter thereof.
' ere leeetban 'eight full months. He was not disposed i and report thereon to. the I leuse."
to plateierontroyersy about words, for in such a - j Mr. Ilion:cif so ruse and s..id, that reluciant ea the
s dust as, aim as this, a controversy of that nature Noble Lord felt to apprpach the subject now before
wield be truly contemptible; yet lai eight be permitted to assure that Poise, that the. obis
the Huns'e, he could House, 11
ilwarrvlwith the term " negotiation,' which had been invi- .
fhtently employed, for The purpose of exposing the tine of Lord was not in •re et
tilt to appr.wh it than he
taco Government in their own light. 'Floe facts trf'se I was. Bat mow that the Matter was so length broken.
wIt"M• not, heweter, bb lied* public, either by collateral , 41. fro 'Within,: but satisfaction that the hour had 'at
lteseberclitete pris, as sash a mode of disclosing them , la • . h -.1 et• Iro „7a, n;, i,,n,..er r'rerAnA trouts'
last :amt.( a i 1
tti::ile lie ealeellMy pr:iudfelal. Yet he was not to be under- i
stoethat as saying, equestion was incapable of heists! Ping into eirceem:an sem. and explanations whirls for
eorepletele eternised. AM he eouleoded for was, that thee* long period ill. felt it his they to suppress. Imp wt.
I rwliffit althea% lallreelatine with her MeielnY4 oe holding i ant, most solemnly important was the quo shims which
eat any. 'boor paltry sacrifice, in order to induce her to give 4,..e.
e_ plterclutsds, or honour.. His Majesty's Alinisterehid o , niv "Tr railed °P°l to tkeitie--tetreeteet were these
Witi tillir proposed, taken into cousiderstiontbootra. i discussions whcther they 'hello' be considered in reit-
. semeeneesilklbh must resift from leyisti tie whole question I tion to Abe illustrious intlivignal herself—in relatioia
.).loefeesilariiestepei, Ile tell that be clamed not be di ' to the interests of the whole of that family with which
ingileiii be duty,. responsible situation he Altera
...hie' this qiirea forward while It
could possibly beim°
id. was ectimected by. gluon e$ maniere-10 relation
, VI. ty hoe beaseloomemeat wiihbormajoato, foadosinebspeo to the Constitution of this cowitry, to the dignity nod
. erateinen *bread /egad continued is that state of ailleallajess popularity of the family au the throne, purl to the
-tom tilli Klig rhino had whlwelle it" ! 'chiracter, not only of this Howie, hut of Pirlihnient
ties mount tree, so fir from feeling It his ditty to being this
.%Inliaject forward. he Austad consider himself bound by the 1144414anr* for its iireriess aird justiee,....4ipwar, hear,
'1109,4 sacred obligation to avert so calamitous an layeatigs-4 hiww 7)*liefeler he proceeded farther, he might be per-
t, lion.-41lear, boar o—He should he the last leenaleellat- naittees-a it, that outset &below that Cite illastrisom Lady
J 5110 that would he a party to such a measure. Aid here be'' whip, utl•
meld sot helpjreeretting the observations meelismie et swil ~, •• ,_ crests were ocloiellf at.etake, tweet evince:l a
a the preceding ulsitt by an lion. wipe., (me. itimmet). eiepositwo to appeal, to thgt zuoleiuflueuee to which
Ur, te am. he wee pedeemled, from the warmth of. Idatesneser (be: Priage Lora alluded: "Her sagaei'y. 'Which Sees
41mIta.rfui° the .teent . Penfield lanewletion• Thai .Hew- • not. Vflitkiof to that of' ini'perebil whunt He *ad ever
. Oet ha('
that a
bribe had been offered 4Mr i irsusin, **Ai Wise .teebiddis ter such a reerinnos-eo
„lyrei al Mt on fin; Aldo she was toe Mr i
as Dub Vestfeeliasto most -114 ,orineW bat Nate of .proprioty—a seem, whittle Ise,leitsere
lid of Waver If tiliralitsresiow that it bad been Maw ; ilit be in • ifesl d ' * • .Tel 43,
.. i a 44 lu vs beep ter.
.. eve, ii4ri • I
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long, and not a voluntary ahsence, from the bosom of a
family where all those high and pure feelings are best
cherished. fist rent••ral from sash ties was not an
act of her own.• She miwillingry submitted' to the
absence of that controul, and the want of those do-
mestic habits which were to all females, froM the
highest to the lowest, the best preservative of that
propriety and delicacy whiAs weris the most becoming
ornaments of the female character. Such feelings,
however, of propriety--such a sense of sagacity that
illustrious Wonnan possessed, as would have beeti-
sulficieut, intlepeuiliont of her high birth and educa-
tion, to have prevented her front entertaining. an idea
of the nature i !!! ! 'tied to her.---(Hear, hear !)—He
prayed and implored the jnstice of the House to Ni
out on the task which was before them with diming-
, sionate impartiality, hut, above all things, to cow
moire with this principle oif justice due to the meanest
as well as to the first subject of the country, not only
too believe in the existence of 'noon-cure until guilt
was estahlkheil, hut also not to allow prejudice to
arise or suspicion to grow up front mere outward ap-
; petrol:res. He would not now go into a view of her
Majesty's case, for they were not yet c..llrd upon to
itivestieate the question of guilt or innocence. 1 hat
question was nut yet presented to them in such a
i she, eas they might grapple with. They had much
to go through before they could arrive at such an
istue—ao little inquiry should previously take
place ;hove stairs---and he flattered himself that
no little discussion should take place in that House,
'before they could come to the great and final question.
ssisoo(Cheers from the Ippusition.)—lint as to the view
which had been taken of her Majesty's reception in
this country, he would frankly put it to the House to
consider, that here was a feossale'unpoutected and al-
Most friendless, who bad hnig been absent from that
conottry, and diving that ab,ener silt'.-red inane severe
stortiti adonis— a Female who suffered a shock to her
Maternal feelings, by a loss n hick none but a mother
could appreciate in all its extent; a Female who left
this coronary six years ago, and since noade•a foreign
country her unweliminto but necessary abode. Ile
wombd put it t o the Members of that House, if they
!were men of honour, if they were gentlemen, if they
were no', woul•I they blame her f or any hasty error
which she might hare eninniitteil in listening to re-
commendations, w hich, if not the recommendations of
absolute wisdom—(lleac:)—were at Loast well meant,
and therefore 114.0pe1l it would not he ouvretell that
be would treat them with any thing like reprehension.
The Noble Lord hail all along argued this question as
if he (Mr. B.) had advised li• r Majesty to complain of
the proposition fur sul !!!! itting the papers on the table
to a Secret Committee. The Sobie Lord further sup•
posteil the CO010:6'111 to he in:nle of a Secret I.' mittee,
as if that were the ultimate tribunal of judieatu^e ; and
he added, by was of admission, that though the l'um-
i would be secret, still importunity would be af-
t low ample istiptiry. au option would he given of
bringing forward evideoire to weaken and r but the evi-
dence on the 'other sioli liberty would beallowed no
investigate and er..ss-exami lie the testimony against her
Majesty. The Noble Lord needed not to have given him
our such information-1w oas aware of it—he felt nil
.4..angoise aj it, nor wuulA he counael her Majesty lastan-,
sitkr Bath a eircumitance as one of relief, breasts* is was
given nut in the florin of all admission. But what was it
that he (Mr. B.) really complaiued of: He would ask,
I dial any man " in sober seriousnass" believe, that a Se-
t cret t•onotittee was the itt +s proper mode of prameed-
ing '.)—To make it Inure palatable, indeed,
the Noble Lord coinparo•ol it to a grand jury. Liut
man could he so deltuled as not to see that there was
not the slightest analogy between them. In all fasts
where a grand jury acted, the bill which they found
' did mot stop even as to its merits with them—it was
stilt ta another trihtwvl, w.:ere it was patiently exa-
mined oil one side and the other. Did such a pre-
trotted anaitogy take iu any man? i t should, besides,
if • 11.i•oliCiAeti, that a grand jury was sworu—(Hear,
hear 7):--that it was c posed of Men entirely M-
I, partial; that it was, rrool'illy, of no consequence to
them whether A amp It did ur did not, owparately or
!La isootjunetion, kill and slay t! and 11. They were
intliderent as to both the issues. A grand jury was
also indifferently molested. Each of the p orties in-
to-rented had an equal share in striking the patting,
No doubt a grant jury derid-od on 'le evidence;
lint still it was such evidence as conlit be placed in
• lit iiig contact with the opposite evideuce. But Isere,
the ceisleuce to he laid before this Committee consisted
!entirely of papers—of letters--of Itllfillytlloll‘ letters—
., pieces of evidence gathered up at C.e other side of
• the Alps, which were oat evidence, and were called
so he that Secret Commit:sal to, which ha I been mat
ont from this country to Milan—God kite*
whom. tlf that evidence be as yet knew itatiolitg.
Ile hod seen the outside of the gront bag which
contained it, b•tt nothing tumor... No living %iterates
were to be brought forward—bathing. in the shape
of life IVA* • iut be produced, except persons to prose
the antheuticity of son:h and suck manuscripts---per-
suns to swear, " this is the signature of a., and sni;'
Theie Were the down nents eullecteal by the 'Secret
l'ountoission which sat at Milan fur ten mantits, at the
heath of which he regretted was an individual of the
hootonrahlis rofasissian to which he 01r. H.) lieloited.
That in tiviqual was out of his SL .—sty's Counsel--
I was distinguished for Iris learning, unit, until then,
itha4 hero-gesera:iy esteemed. Ile was commonly sup-
, posed to be next in rotation to alt orrice w:iieti was ill
S•ITIle respects ;fl in short, an expectant Master
iu l'ltan;erv. It was with pain thai he (tir. B.) saw
I such a matt I oweced (ite.could not avoid,
..for the hu-
t pour of Ida prae-wium t use •
mo..tibeation he saw such a .
!Isnot With agrnts of a Tel.* k
leit.ling himself tu, the' btisineas
I•stie little-tattle ,uf coNee-houtmo a
!irerne—entering into congdewtie
bArgemain 'on . have, and lerryeten
cast-off servants of mistresses
atm: naosat). attending .at Milan
vl~: which could lo
elm,* witnesses whom Courts tifAnsto
°siiiiittii; but 'reprobate to thii! hoifotti
•:1-tsitiing, ha. would add, telebileef fa
imerer4 reeik evltleuteleneieturowld
Court *f Suffer. for the puerile-et f.'"
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man, could not see the degradation of inottb•i,..withollt
feeling mortified himself.—(Clear, hear'.)—lf midi busi-
ness was to bare been dune joy tiny bands, he regretted
that it was not done by hands natnrally base.—(flear,
beii!)-7-The Hon. and Learned Hentiesnan then pro-
ceeded to corniest the argument, that the report of a
Committee, of itself, was not of a decisive nature. It
was decisive, so tar as this,' that he was sure no man
who beard, woothl willingly submit every partienlar of
his conduct for the last tit %tor six years to the inerction
of *Committee of t I Meouhers—of a Committee, too. it
should..be.,tem,qtathered,
•where he would have no soire—
e I %lint:WWl.' 'Wiwi •haii.- feeding's; -Witoe'lat •UV i lity.
perhaps, but alienation towanls him; -and ;who might
not indeed be called an enemy; but cermlnlY was an
antagonist. lie would put it to any man, Wahl be like
Ills conduct foi the last six rears. to tosi,ergo euch a
-scrutiny, all the evidence being against him, Without
one witness being heard on his part. He *count bid
such a man to put his hand on hi. heart, andiste Id the
House whether he would like his conduct to be'exonlin-
ed into by a Committee so composed, a Committee so
confined in the vale of darkness, who were to terniinate
their sittings by snakine a report of their examination
to that House. 'Tree, the Noble Lord said, that the re -
port of the Committee might he, that no grounds exiss
ed for further inquiry. Ilut where was the man who
would run the chance of suds a report ? Womb} he not.
sacrifice every thing that was dear to him in life, loomo
than expose himself to such a hazard, from a Coononit.
the sledding upon %that was dearer to him than life—his
honour? In the mean time, the character of phi
party accused is blighted—the essence which alooie
could wash out that stain was to be applied at sore.,
future iudeternainate period, and even when at length,
trial would he obtained, it would be gone into with dis-
advantages and prejudices against the accused. It iv..
in vain, he would repeat it, to liken a Secret Committee
to a Unwed Jury. The cu 'anion which bail already
sow, had furnished Ministers with the foundations of an
i.copinion moan this opieetioe. Why did they not act open
it ? lie would tell the se. They wished, by referring.
these papers to a Select Committee, to shift the respell-
sibility from their own shoulders, to the sboolders of
the !loose of Common,—(Cheers.)—This was what they
wanted, to shelter themselves wider the name of Ril•
liament—(Lousi clies of Hear, bear!)—'rosy did o co' oh.e:
to face this question as it became men, and as Ministers
oneht to have done.—(Cheers.)—The Hon, and Learned
Member proceeded to argue the advantages of an open
trial. As to the precedents which were cited, it would
lw recollected that the charges made by those Commit-
tees arose incidentally out of the matter which was wide, •
examination. The case of Sir T. Ronnhoill ars.e inei-
dentally out of an inquiry into East India accounts. But
even in that .case, they examiril witnesses as well
papers. In the case oe Atterloury, he believed no paper
was referred to, except that letter to which Mean Swift
alluded. But here no witnesses are to be eaaatined—(Yes,
yea, from Lord Castlereagh.)—Then witnesses were to
he examined by the Committee—witnesses for her Ma-
jesty. If so, then they were to he examined in I.er
Majesty's absence—(Hear, bear '.)—they were to be ex-
amined without his professional assistante—(Hear!)
without the assistance of ally of her Majesty's adviser."
He tendered his hearty thanke to the Noble Lord, that.
by such an excinsiou, he, and his Hun. Conceive wo.otid
bespared the mortification of seeing the fortes of justice
half preserves!, while the substance would be wholly re-
moved. He was glad to be spared that :notification, one
of the gr..atest whirl. a prof .s i pit men could endure, and
next only to that of being found in sues roomany as he
had ',wrote described. —(clear, hear !)—The'ittni. and
Learned tientlenitto then referred to the negoi.ietioto
which hail taken pl..c - at St. Homer's, if hared it mielot
thee:4W se steam:wimp. and era sat it did mat op-
pose that Ministers, necesearile, by that proceeding, d.'-
peeled from- the usages of ibartiament.. The Queen
could not give tip her rights without an Act of Parlia-
ment, hut then she might consent not to.exereise them.
14.. t she was further rolnired not only to lay down her
dee, hut even when trarelltaltineogaite M mistime mu
tit's which iselsouged to any measlier of the Royal Fami-
ly. 'What would this lie, lout to admit that she Was
unworthy to be a member of that lawily.—(Clear, hear!)
—For hi: pd. he confessed he was most anxious for a
private, amicable, but honourable areangenotut. Yet Inc
instantly ao7v.sed her ahojeety when as •Ii terms wee. of-
erred to her to reject them, and i•steaolof " alter'' a
Morning. Parer shouli say in ite.garblett account,. '. he-
fire" her Majesty expressed indignation it RIK+ pro
cols he lo lit recommended her to rejectlbese and tile
\Nei was siowe graciont.ly pleased to eenfiret his IL--
collection on that point. Ile ihould also state. that lie
,called the account " garbled," not that. sate *isrepre-
rents:lion was given of Lon! Llutchinsou'i litter. .1 hat
letter was correctly given o lee only complained that W.
answer was o.ritte.l. Being on lisie,.stiltject,.blessood I
not but state a alorning Paper of Wostestait(else Monti ~..
Nit) had taken a t unwarrantallle.44leerty with has
an+ Lord lioitehinsou'e name. He Wofeltl reetwantest.l
lo 'r Majesty rather to go a stele fuels thtn.nittio g., far
enough towarde any negoietion whichnight Lead to a
private adjusts pent. That rotors, wag thittoost atfylsali.e
for all parties, fOr when this icaptiri was had. beg..,),
who shell say wltereit van dud?—(Caries of I fear !)t---..:-
ler inakink some remarks on the ledolaess of Out present
attempt, wed the di& allies with which Lt mast be at-
ten let; the Hon. lientlemaa procealedso implore the
Nods • to ruled (WHO efllitoting ensktwlnstitons coney-
s/tierces which must CI ow from its ntistitt -emitie ef
prio:veding. He begged., fur tioolko'kelit, tor *.the sat,-
of all the branaes,af ti.e novoll I w osilye:aild rar the
sake of the esiuntrv.,ho pawn, betas they prochoded act
fulte.. Evea.for iissoakso( *hair wives spa- sfaaibtes..
be implored them is. elostaiss fosoutteleuteelk OA 111.111
Isriue fortis Wie mow paherVer iiirpoteir -slit le la•ti I % .
then
Let 'be to...oiled whit zit• elatentyears ago.
St: .11 a oriss:•ef Itrigraceral and' Airmail totem was
Iti
p oh'i he I. -111*••• isiAt were tobligedet• par! t y sows-
p,A p..r. front the sight.° f Theis. weetkand tees, in
order to save them Vos.l;:eiligeabofFlLed " 'llieir yea-
tents. lie belied Ahstalialbaliebiefio . . poceet!.
e.I any farther, 114 avast ta as „Air frWol
VopArtir ill Willa* the cosiiiry AllithelolhdliDapiWesk
I As they' ealoted reel, thing *lmams,* deter to goatiaod as
a cation, he srowisl4ll4 it,S9 Linz. pp .., 41. Cibre
which ht now meows:mailed,. Ile Aep 7,1 to ,in so
be was,acting in oppottitient to the itilwaS
,‘,.rtisVU"bl
o- many. Where were,'
' there partliisitthe-110 •:' toot/try
who whlooftliat the peePeht jordee44l . t Oen.
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