The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-04-18 00:00:00

TIBI LATIN KIWOCIATIONS.
Lord KING said he bad a motion to make relative td
these negociations, the parties conducting which seemed to
Lebow under what Divines called a frustration of under-
stpoding ; and he conceived that, instead of having employ-
ed such persons to negochte, it would have been bettor to
make Bishops negociators, and *wheel the Ministers tato
Bishops. It appeared from the papers on the table that the
Noble Duke who bad beet seat to negociste at Paris and
Verona, had been completely duped by the French nageels•
tors. First he was duped with regard to the Cordon Saxi•
tiah. the real object of which he did net seem to corners,
bend. Then, after the Noble Duke went to Verona, saf
whet the object seemed to be whether war should he made
against spate, he did sot knew any thing abost the asstrest,
sad gale be toast seed bane to have the advice of his GO•
verausent on the salthret. lle week, Ask if-sitver a
befoul beettermt to..fte• =beelike••-oe. se plus
instil he bad drat consulted his Goverstandth
Ms Lord referred to 'event passages in the poverty. SSlhe
how meth theNobje Duke had been duped by the floarboftg
sad their Ministers; and he eoncieded with mooing for an
I weenie( the extraordinary expenses that had both incur-
red by the missions to the late Congress of Vereas.—Tun
motion aras agreed to.
Lord HOLLAND said he had some questlerts to pot to
eke Noble Earl opposite on points eonnected with the be.
*editions. •First of all, he wished to know whether there
VON say stipelation in any treaty with regard to Spain sad
Valasa. by which it was providedthat the Crowns of thaw
;W. mseatries should never be united under one head. The
emend vitiation was, whether our Government bad any
'lthowledge of a treaty between Russia and France, by which
Igessia 'timed to furnish France with a large body of
troops which were to he landed at Boulogne. The third
and last, although the least important question was, in what
capacity was he to consider the Duke of Wellington at VlN-
tees ; whether he was a seemlier of the Congress, or one of
those composing the Holy Al lance.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said that with respect to the
Pleat qesstion, he was not able to satisfy the Noble Lord as
is fiat existence of such a treaty as be adverted to ; but he
(Lord Liverpool) had no difficult) in stating that the Crowns
of France and Spat; were not to be ensiled. On the wan'
question respecting the sending of Russian troops to Fraossr
be believed that do such treaty was in existence. In as-
ewer to the third question, he would say that the Doke of
Wellington had been sent to the Congress of Verona as
bit Majesty's Plenipotentiary, to take a part in the thecae.;
dons there on all points commented with the Government of
Ms country.
Earl OItEY• said he rose, pursuant to the notice he had
elven last Tuesday, to put some questions to the Noble
Earl; but io doing so it was not his intention to antici-
pate the discussion that was to take place on the subject of
the lite Negociations. He must, however, first of all, ob-
serves that he considered the gumption put by his Noble
Friend raktive to a noisy. of the Crowns of France and
Spain as one of gent importance ; and be must say, than
the answer of the Nobly sari Was sot at all stitiefiwinrf.
That answer smagetetitesothing more Gummi opinion
*bans tarifa of so formidelde a nature, which threat-
ened to overthrow the balance of power in Europe, ought
to have been made the subject of a distinct aqd separate
engagement. But from the answer of the Noble Earl, it
appeared that he merely relied on the construction of
treaties, and not on spy positive engagement. He should
now come to the point on which he wished fur informs-
lion from the Noble Earl. It was stated in the despatch
of the Noble Duke, that his Majesty's Government would
not be a party of any interference that might take place
in the affairs of Spain. This was not satisfactory to him;
the Noble Duke at the same time observed, that there
bad been no intimation that the affairs of Spain would
become a subject of discussion at Verona.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL interposed. He said his Ma-
jeKty's Government had not thought that the affairs of
Spain were intended to be made a prominent subject of
discussion at the Congress. Ministers, however, did ex-
pect that some notice would be taken of Spain at the
Congress, and the instructions on that subject with
which his Noble Friend proceeded to Verona, were the
very same which had been previously gi:en to a Noble
Friend of his, now no more (Marq. of Londonderry).
Earl GREY proceeded. It wu not very material to
the question whether the expectation alluded to had ex-
isted or not. In the treaty of Aix-le-Chapellb there was
an article stating that no discussions respecting other
States should lake place. Ile wanted to know if any
communication bad been made to our Government on
this important point. It had been nuilerstood that Tar.
key was to be the prominent subject of discussion at the
Congress; this, however, nits not the case, and after
it had been announced by the French Government
that the affairs of Spain were to be the prominent
subject of discussion, be wished to know what di-
rection had been given to the Duke of Wellington
on that question, and on what ground he was au-
thorised to appear as the Plenipotentiary from our
Government. On this point he hoped the Noble Earl
would afford a satisfactory explanation. Indeed,the Noble
Duke appeared to he sgnorant of what was now going
on, and of the grounds of complaint made by France
against Spain. This was indeed a singular situation for
Great Britain to be kept in ignorance of what was doing
by &country with which we had been in a state of
inti-
mate union. He wished then to know from the Noble
Earl whether he could produce a statement of what had
passed at the conference, so far as related to the designs
of the French against Spain. To show that there hail
been indications of such a design on the part of France,
there was a reference to a despatch of the 17th of May,
1920, in which an opinion wss held out, that an inter-
ference in the concerns of Spain would be justifiable.—
He sidled to know if the Noble Earl would have any ob-
jection to produce that document. There was another
point to which he conceived to be of greater import-
ance. His Majesty's Ministers condemned the princi-
ples on which the Nene!' Government acted in attempt-
ing to compel the Spaniards to alter their Constitution,
as being inconsistent with the rights of nations. In the
papers of_ the late Lord Londonderry the came principle
was disclaimed ; but lie (Lord Grey) resisted that in the
case of Naples, because a mere disclaimer was not suffi-
cient when the thing was done. Something I;ke this
now appeared in the correspondence before the house ;
the principle of interference wee disclaimed ; but
the advantage of that disclaimer was done away, when
advice was given to the Spaniards to make certain modi-
fications in their Constitution. He understood that re-
presentations had been made to the French Government
on the subject of interference; but he could not find in
the correspondence any thing like a direct condemna-
tion of such interference. Ilere the Noble Earl quoted
a ptssage from one of the Duke of Wellington's et-
spatches, to show bow coldly his Grace spoke on that
point; and it was with grief and shame he must say,
that the honour of the. country had not been upheld by
the Noble Duke in the manner it ought to have been.—
e quoted other passages to show that the Dake of Wel-