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,e, that the proposition was studiously calcu-
„,,t to produce those effects which some might
Great Britain would not .give assistance
mar the motives of war, but would act so as to
itie subject to the proper feeling of the danger
neeessitv, by the other nations of the Continent.
i'lloll PE observed, that as to the inter-
instructions alluded to by the Noble Lord, it
impossible for that side of the house to argue
as the) could not be sure of its authenticity.—
wteed the policy or practicability of dethron-
„oparte ; but felt confident that the personal
.tier of that individual was not more dangerous
,tranquillity of Europe than the military spirit
,evaleat in France, and it certainly was a bad
,1 puttitt,; down that spirit, by compelling the
to war. No one lamented more than he did
room of Bonaparte to power—and no one
;f necessary, oppose him with more vigour.—
, present he did not think a war advisable, and
,a;,l therefore vote for the Address.
PONSOSBY would not have supported, as
1, the Address of the Noble Lord, on a for.
Lilt, if he then knew what he knew now.—
or supported the motion of his lion. Friend,
ould have supported his Amendment on the
if he had not been deluded by the Noble
Baring the treaty of Vienna two days in his
r, the \oble Lord told the House, that the
ion of peace or war was still open. This was
, fair Parliamentary proceeding, and would be
,ed as unfair dealing in the transactions of pri.
'ife.--[ Hear, hear!)—He (Mr. Ponsonby)
,tittctly declared, that he should never sup.
I war for the declared object of putting down
pate, or replacing the Bourbons, and he was
)y the Noble Lord, that this question was still
ided, though lie had at the time, actually
;ed his Crown to carry on war for the depo-
of Bonaparte.—Why the Noble Lord thought
r to adopt this course of concealment and mis-
.,entatioie he could not imagine, except it was
purpose of swelling his majority. He (Mr.
üby) now found what fell in a conversation
a Noble F.arl (Liverpool) in another place

Neil from the lips of the Noble Lord. This
most rash enterprise, and, as such, most cal-
to ilefelt itself. Why not first endeavour to
peace by negotiation ? The character of
Ipaite was such that he could not he trusted,.
'le Noble Lord, lie (Mr. Ponsoubv) was as
lisposerl to trust him on the ground of cha-

but he trusted not to his principles, but to
'uation in which he was now placed.—[Hear,
not endeavour to conciliate the
part of the French people by negotiation ; as
)ble Load admits that to have been the object
pct of the negociations at (Antilion. Bona-
-like other men, must bend to his situation, and
me so already by his lenity to the Duke of
leme, and his concessions to the French peo-

1V is Bonaparte the only man who could not
by the disastrous expelienre of his late cam-
The Ruler of France was now arrived at

when he could no longer hope to see the coat-
i of his projects.--[A laugh.]-I.lis personal
,;as not yet abated, but in the course of nature,
must. Ile was friendly to a close connection

to Cnittineitt, hut he thought this coalition de-

its object. How could the Noble Lord so
iently pr,onise himself to make France the
of war? This ould depend upon the result
It battles ; but if the result should be a failure
part of the Allies, was the Noble Lord pre-
to meet tlif. result? H.w could he prevent
from retaliating upon Europe ? Could the

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of this country bear a long contest? It
tented tl. it the restoratioo of the 13ourbnn,
Itie of the f::.;,•;•!: of the 1r when Louis
IL was invited to ite:.),.te 1 ;rirty to the Treaty
ienna. Th. Noble Lord reproached loin,
kit having v;013t,-tl the Treaty of Folitain.
forgettio4, 110 d,.ttl:it. that it had been first
'd by the other C:oittrac•tiog Parties, and with

;ottlidence threatened nith his VPnge-
orgetting that this must depend upon the iss •
•ar. ‘Vould England have tolerated that King
m shoolil have beet personally denounced by
reign power F' Won'd lint every Englishman
very di uv of his blood in such a Cause wzainct
ly Europe but the vvt,fl,l F Icor, hear!l
this was not interfering %all tho internal can-
,l France was a b,olute h•oisen se. Pouoe should
rejected, because it was not likely to be of long

1.11, for when had peace been of long duration
or; and would not a few years of repose be
Inia7..Pous to England as to Franco? The Ho-
.le Slomber concluded with supporting the mo-

W. ELLIOTT, in a very eloquent speech,
the Addless. Ile was not sufficiently in-
! nit the suhioct to recommend war--neither

o.e(1 and he hoped the House would join

in the feeling, to recommend a negotiation
,flinapatte, and a withdrawal from that code-
hich the country was pledged to support.—
Lhl Gentleman then divided the question
points—first, our right to go to war—and,
Ily. the expediency of that measure. To prove
right exisred, under certain circumstances, to
rn nitti the Got...violent of another country,
ref:ill to the Grand Alliance to prevent' the
is of Fiance and of Spain being placod on one
—to the Tripl.. Ailiatice—to the Quadruple
ice—and, finally, to the Pragmatic Sanction.
respect to the expediency of war, he argued,
riur ability, that direct hostilities were to be
fed to a feverish and unsettled peace.
NEwpoirr contended, that all the dan.
"hich his Right Hon. Friend apprehended,
be infinitely aggravated by that state of war
ich he appeared to have made up his mind. It
Att clear, that it was intended to place the
ions on the throne of France. But, when
ijent was accomplished, how was it proposed
Ire it? Did the Confederated Potters mean to
pan army in France for that purpose ? The
Hoa. Bart. argued, at great length, to prove
ipolicy of plunging this country, with dilapi-
resources, into a war with France—and con-
I by slating his concurrence in the Address,
did not recommend peace, but proposed nego.
a: far as was consistent with the security
moor of the country.
WILBERFORCE declared that he saw so

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many difficulties and dangers on, each aide of the Ministers throughout.—. [tAis spa ech .was occasion-
question, that he never found himself an much at a all • t
loss to make up his opinion. lie felt the full ad- -1
• • Question? question!) 1
ally interrupted
to acquaint Hodge with Ste,—lf any arbitrary act of Ministers could et:.
vantage of acting in co-operation with the great mass a single fact.
He happened to be with the Duke of cite surprise or indignation in the country at large,
of strength to which we were allied, and he felt the Wellington when he received the English Papers con- broken in as it seems to be to every kind of insult
danger of a system which would place a great miti. taming the speech.of the Honourable Gentleman who and every specieg of innovation, th., interdicting of
tary leader on the throne of France. At the same brought forward this tion„ in willich he expressed all communication with France, by the accustomed
time, the long experience he had had of the uncap.; hisopinion that the Declaration of tlt lath of March, channel of the Post-office, would certainly have pro tainty of the results of war, made him apprehetyli which was signed b
an incitation or liithe
tetizent 'to the. assassination of
that the prospects which now appeared so prorttisings, like, of Wellington, was doted remonstrances from the commercial part of the
might be overcast. After all that had been supposetr, Boniparte, and he never saw any
. person so much Chottmvemduetmlitayn'deadn(ol fit3haeiliEtixruePcruittivienGl:vteterttintliZsOnw=
to have been achieved by the Allied forces, we nowt surprised and horrified. at,the idea that 'such a con- ground they have presumed to -interrupt the inter-
found that all the work was to be done over again.' struction Could be put upon it. 'His Grace declared course of letters, and refused to forward mails as
He certainly did not place much faith in what was ihe could net have supposed such. a sentiment would usual to France, with whom we are at Peace?
said about the alteration in the principles of 808,- i have enered into the mind•of any hunian being of the It seems as if that immense kimigmiom was sent to
parte. Ile believed there was still in his mind a I present
.day, and 'he was much surprised it could have • Coventry ; or, to make use of language more gene-
fund of mischief unexhausted, and which was capa. I emanated from' the mind of a British Senator. rally
cantina
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that any peace with Bonaparte would be only
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We of producing the greatest calamities. He thought Mr. QUIN had yet heard nothing t 6 persuade
, him that the people had any 'shire iu the -return of
. '
pear resolved to trample upon the , ights of others and
. peace in name. lie, nevertheless felt serious apprea Bonaparte; he bad seen ao active.army and a passiv•l take no wrong. It is unprecedented in the annals
rhensions, when he considered the uncertainty of all people.
wars. As to the particular question, he supposed Mr. GpR,DON suppnttqd the Motion. •.i cf this country, that the Post-office,' instituted for
that his Honourable Friend (Mr. Whitbread) would Sit F. turn") wished for Peace with . France, I
: shoei public: d conveniencerefuse
to m aukse up mails well
f()
for r national purposes,
not• be anxious to press it. He had probably ' but not i peace under the.- etintroul and direction of whom we had an establishedregelar ta.ontY nation with
ntoptlication,
brought the motion forward, merely to give the ian outlaw: unless that social intercourse was Wel rupted by war
House an opportunity of delivering their sentiments' Mr. COKE (of Norfolk) thought that those who or pestilence. It is yet in our memory that the inter-
on the general question of peace or war.
I were abettors of the war with France, on the pre- course with Fiance, by the packets and bye-boats
Mr. TIERNF,Y said, that if it were a proof di sent occasion, were the enemies, and not the friends was preserved between Dover and Calais in the,
wisdom to weigh opposite probabilities, and to iof their country. American war even after the BOURBONS had pub.
balance all the arguments pro and con, on any I Mr.* WHITBREAD, in reply, said, notwith- lady espoused' the cause of the revolted Colonies,
question, then the lion. Gentleman, who had spoken • standing the explanation of the Right Hon. Gen- which they had from the first perfidiously supported
last was pre-eminently entitled to the epithet of wise: i Herne (Mr. WI Pole), he confessed that he was in secret violating that Treaty of Peace which -they
But he had often found, that while his (Mr. T. s) ' still of opinion that it would have been far more to , had invoked the Holy
and Undivided Trinity to wltai
Friends had the mind of the Honourable Gentleman the credit of the Duke of Wellington not to hive 'mess should he perpetual! Yet, in the face of this
with them, Ministers had his vote.—[A laugh.]— . signed the Declaration in question' even with the violation, and of many others, down to the period
The motion of his Right Honourable Friend had cor- , interpretation which had been given to his Friend, . when the perfidy of Prussia deserted us, with our
rectly expressed, that the country should not go to and by him communicated to the house. The cha- subsidy in her pocket, and at a subsequent date, no
war for the sake of putting down one man. A Right taster of the Duke of Wellington was part of the less perfidiously, seized upon the Electorate of Han-
Hon. Friend of his had stated, that, he was placed in property of this country ?—Who was not proud of over, which, as a kind of rattle to please fall-grown
a difficult situation, and so must any man be, who the name ? And no person had ever shown himself babies, has lai..ly been decorated with. the name of
wished for war without avowing. that wish. The real more willing to pay the tribute of applause which Kingdom. We find no less than 17 very potable
question before the Muse was one of expediency, was due to his great actions than himself ; and when Diplomatists, aided by three (in compiintent to the
and nothing had occurred to alter it since the Treaty he had so expressed himself, lie hardly thought that : Trinity 1 suppose) no less notable Sor'ereigna, re.
of Fontaimibleau, except that most venial of faults the his sincerity could be called in question.--[licar, . probating, commdenining, and filially esilellititZ. (Ina
escape of Bonaparte. When hi had been parted from hear!]—But was it because the Duke of Welling.- voce, NAPOLEON from tt the pale of all civil and
his throne with the bayonet at his throat,it asses nate. too had signed a Declaration, that it bore a (lit.- social relations P"Chis political Bull of elic.mmsiimmii-
ral for him to wish to re-ascend it, as it was for a Mi- ferent construction from what it would have done if cation has the signatures of t;,e Representatives
nister, who had been ousted, to wish to get into place he had not put his name to it ? And if, in the 'of three Protestant Princes, besides his .Most
again.--[Loud laugh.]—Bonaparte had not been hurry of business, he did not consider the meaning CHRISTIAN MAJESTY ; and really, SK-it , why re.
brought back solely by the military alone ; most of of this Declaration with sufficient attention, was quired that of the Poet: to complete its malignity and •
his companions in arms had perished, and it was not this not a subject of deep lamentation to this country ? absurdity. With your permission I will comment,
to be supposed there could be much attachment If, before this, any .person had been asked who lon a future day, upon this extraordinary end futile
on the part of raw recruits raised under the terrors would be the last man to sanction such doctrine;—ot i anathema, from this' political.conclare of Solamons
of the conscription. He had not been joined •by if there was one man whom he would select from all at Vienna, will their lay brothers in England, the
the military till he had reached Grenoble, nor mankind as the person who would be most inclined to i Editors of the Vmes, Morning Post, Courier, and
since his return had there been any appearance give it his condemnation, he would have selected the Lord CASTLEREAGH, hold forth as a not sublime
of a wish to conciliate them in particular.— Duke of Wellington. lie would have conceived the performance ! The object of this letter is Co .in-
It was a vast -assumption, that because Bonaparte Duke of Wellington to feel in this way—save Bona- duce some Member of the House of Commons, who
was a military man, therefore the government must, parte for me that he may command an army is yet alive to the honour and the Interests of
of necessity, be.. military. Should Bonaparte be against me.—Uienr, hear, hear!]-After having the country, to ask Ministers on what ground thgr
overthrown, it did not follow that the Bourbons vanquished in succession all his Captains--all his have discontinued the mails to France? - And liar.
would be restored. It had been said that much fame—all his glory,' all his future renown were cen- ing ascertained their reasons fors mensero, 'at least
money and blood must be expended should we go to tred in the life of Bonaparte.—[llear, hear!]—But indemint and insolent, if not itlegat4a measure no
war, and with that he entirely agreed. But the he had signed the Declaration, and it had gone forth less injurious td the public revenue than to &arner-
people of the country would demand to have the ne-' to the world. •• What did existence mean but plij sisal cial and gookl intercourse, to enquire whether the
cessity of the war proved to them, before they. existence? He was. glad. or the explanation of the Executive Power is authorised by law or precedent
would consent to make such sacrifices. His lion. nista Lion.Gentberosn, because if his (Mr. Whit- to break off all Amicable communications with any
Friend had only said that Bonaparte should not be bread's) voice had leached the Duke at Viersda, it Statp with whom we Are at peacek:;.„Froare• -aonswee-
morked out as a man with whom the relations of • might *lento out to The:World that the Duke "Va.. crimmlited any act of aggression ; but, on the con.
peace and amity could not be entertained. If after liegtou declared that the. principle of assassination. trary, 'she 'has shown her orient,. and I have
going to war, and after our resources were exhausted,' was detested by him, and hnd never met with Ms ap-1 reason to believe her' 'eery siricerey wish -:to pre-
our Allies should abandon us, then the conntr'y must probation. With respect to the Noble Lord (Castle- serve the -relations of peaces- mod - ausitY..---
be ruined. Ile did not see how the Noble Lord reagli), he had divided his speech into three parts :-• : That she has received aggressions sufficient to
could form a more accurate notion of' public opinion - the first was a philippic against Napoleon Bona, ' justify hostilities on her part, cannot be de-
in France, than any other man who had been in that parte :—the second was a philippic against him : nied—two of her vessels have been sent into Ply-
' country. He had himself made a tour thither, and : (Mr. WO ;—and the third was a panegyric upon him- I mouth by a Captain Piescot, between whom and
his opinion was totally different from that of the self. With respect to the speech of an •Hon. Gentle- I the Admiralty there is, perhaps, an understanding,
Noble Lord, for to him all France to a man seemed ' man (Mr. Wilberforce), he Was. surprised to' hear to use the quaint language of its very modest and
to be iii favour of Bonaparte. As to the question of such language from a person of his grave and upright Secretary*.,.through his organ, Lnul Sles,
subsidies, he recollected that, at the commencement ! pious character, who opened a book, he believed, VILLE. If Capt. Paescox has acted in obedience to
of the last war with France, Austria was too mag- I more often than any of the others who heard him, the orders of Government, the Minister ought to
nanimous to think of a subsidy. No, she would only which he professed to believe, in which, it is said, be impeached 'as an atonement to the nation, whose
have a loan,and theconsequence was, that the money , that when a saner repents he may save his flag has been iesulted, and as an• example to
had gone to Germany, whence it had never returned, . soul alive. He begged the Honourable Gentleman, ; deter future'RinisSers front hazarding the repese of
and the security had remained with us.—[fear, ?however, the nest time he read that passage lie would the world .by platiigiliglheit comitryi by unprovoked
hear!]—Another of our Allies might, in like manner, I put in an interlineation—" excepting Bonaparte."—; aggression, into war. If (rapt. ,Paascor has, (Ilkeal
'say, Gpd forbid ,that I should think of a subsidy, I That Hon. Gentleman, who for twenty years had . upon himself to capture or detain the ships. of a fO.
but I have a debt. of two millions and a half to pay, been unable to succeed in his great project for time ' rein State, with whom we are at peace, 'he should,
and I will Bank you to lend me the money, and I i Abolition' of the Slave Trade, had never once given , either be brought 16 a Court-Martial for acting con.'
will repay it faithfully. The war would be most ex- : praise to that great man, Mr. Fos, by whom it was : trary to his instruction', or dis Missed from his cons-
pensive, as no' body of nws could be put in motion; accomplished. In the Report of the African Institu. l mend, forgoing beyond them.' This affair, coupled
without money. Nine minions had been voted for tion, though use is made of the Decree of Bonnparte,.lwitts,lhe discontinuance of the mails to France, is
the army extraordinaries, and it turned out that 27 by saying that it would force TII Europe to follow more than suspicious; and the forbearance of Franco
were required, and au estimate equally erroneous the example, yet not the feast praise is given to that bialer :such mean and really pitiful vexations, which
would probably he formed with respect to the war.— Decree, lie would have been surprised at this, if ! mark the deginerate.mind of the British Govern.
—[lleac, hear!)—The success in the last campaign he had not recollected that no praise was given to the ment, has a claim to something more that, common
had been owing to a mistake of Bonaparte, and it man who abolished the traffic in this country. The praise. It is heroic, amid demands oar arkiiration I
would be rather risking too much to go to war in Noble Lord who had his confidence, was one of the Happily, Sir, for this country. NAPOLEON makes a
hopes of a similar error. It would be three months small minority of 18 who voted for the continuance just and flattering distinction between the nation and
before the Allies could be ready to enter France, iof that odious traffic. It was asked, did lie wish to its Government. lie estimates the virtues of the
against which time Bonaparte would be fully pro- I depend on the regeneration of Bonaparte? He did former, while he holdslo derision the puny baseness
pared. Austria could not now make the same not wish to depend on this, but lie conceived that he of the other, seeking by the most unmanly means to
exertions as before, as she would have enough to was in a situation to confederate all the French in his provoke aggression. Aware of their intention,
do in Italy, and she had lately taken, not Bona- favour, and that it would be necessary to exterminate . his temper disciplined by genius and experience, sets
parte, bet Bonaparte's mother—[a laugh]— the whole of them, before they could possibly suc- their malice and their efforts at defiance. He offers
who would probably be soon exchanged for ceedin their. project. The Hon. Member proceeded, to respect and fulfill all the conditions of the Treaty
some raeiteral Officer. ‘Vould Sweden now be a in a most able manner, to reply to the arguments of of Paris, although he was not a party to it. That
pirty to the war ? If not, she must he watched, and the Noble Lord, and other Members who had spoken anxious for the repose of Europe and of that quiet of
would thus furnish employment to Russia. Saxony on that side of the question. He very eloquently which the world has so much need, no measure of
Weald probably not be quiescent, and the manse- vindicated the line of conduct he had pursued upon his Government shall destroy or being that harmony
quences might easily be foreseen should Bonaparte the question of peace from the earliest commence-' into hazard ; and if he fulfills the Treaty of Paris for
march into Belgium. There could be no doubt that meat of the war, and endeavoured to show in what which so much alarm is expressed by the bloody
the restoration of the Bourbons was the object in way Lord Castlereagh had been duped by Prince : scroll at Vienna, ou the 13th of last month, what
view, and any attempt of that nature would only Tatieyra,nd, who had formerly been the Minister of pretext ran Ministers urge for violaltaig that peace
consolidate the power of Bonaparte, The King Bonaparte. . which they hypocritically say they wish to preserve?
coming from 'England, and the embassy of the Doke , Lord CAS'I'LEREAGII said, that 1 had JP not ,If NAPOLEON accords to all the:conditions required
of Wellington, were the two things that had chiefly been the .Minister of Bonaparte for eight years. -by the Treaty, of what consequence is it whrelier it
disgusted the French. Ministers had only the alter- . : Mr. WHITBREAD rejoined, that he supposed :br fulfilled by allostarawrg,ior
a .., r'.Apur ? 'fin. name
native, either that Bonaparte or themselves must be the Noble Lord,meant to assert that a penance of is of no importance, but tbe ndividual may deserve
overthrown. The Noble Lord had treated the House eight years atoned for all former offences; if 10, consideration; and I leave it to the plain good sense
unfairly, and the country were much indebted to his what a lamentable misfortune it was for Bonaparte of reriountrymen to decide, who is the most likely
Hon. Friend for the motion that he had made that that he had not remained in Elba for that space—lto preserve peace at this moment—a man who unites
night. I then he might' have returned to France, have seated 'great temperance with Great rigout of mhiinmd,
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dupemin
Mr. WILBERFORCE explained.
I himself upon the throne, have shaken hands with the. ,whose age and infirmities
Mr. ROBINSON maintained, .that by the breach 'Noble Lord, negotiated with the Noble Lord, amid Of ignorant and vindictive Priests who,. have eo.
of the Treaty of Fontainbleau, Bonaparte had given 'above all have duped the Noble Lord, as successfully circled hire ? V
to this country, and the Allies, a justifiable cause of as he had been. imposed upon' by,Piince 1 alleyratid: ith N APOLEON
war. He described the persons who now clamoured After several other remarks upon' verieus'tOpics,
for liberty in France, as among the-basest sycophants The Gallery was cleared, and the House dividedr-
of Bonaparte; and thought that between a choice of F.,r the motion
evils, that of availing ourselves of the confederacy Agalost it; 273
was the best.
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nroeprelerfteyrreTda,xliisw:oas ptioositi;
parte to France; and censured the general policy of tilt blenday.—Adjourned at two o'clock.

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