The Statesman.
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who thought that the first letterand argument of
the Ron. Baronet was not an offenie cognivible
by teat House; and being of that opinions,
could nut now -agree to a vote, calling his subse.
(pent letter to the Speaker, an aggravation of
that original ofience. At the same time, he had
nu hesitation in stating his sense of the gross lin.
propriety of that, letter ; and with respect to .the,
whOle conduct of Sir Francis Burdett, since the
vote of cummitutent, he confessed that it was to
him a matter of astonishment that that Ho.
nourable Rarenet could have been prevailed .upon
to adopt the counsel he acted upon in further.
snec of an object that was attainable in a way
So obvieasly preferable to the one so inindi.
ciotedy resolved upon. Hate Sir Francis, in the
first instance, gone imoletliately to prison, he
would love had all his legal remedies just ay
open to him as they now, were, after all his
obstinate resistance, and all the fatal conse-
quences that had resulted from that resistance.
—He could nut, however, agree with those who
affirmed that this contest had served nut only to
assert, but to advance the dignity of the House.
He could not see how their dignity had been ei-
ther advanced or asserted, and more particultsrly
so when they now demurred upon thee propriety
of expulsion-, bat nut the mob, bet-ahopitaceable
['lectors of Westminster should again return upon
them the person therhad expelled. With respect.
to the improvidence of Ministers, it was idle. to
attempt to get rid of that charge, by retorting the
charge of improvidence upon others—elf those
upon that side of the House had predicted all the
precautions of resistance that had since been
taken, they would have been accused by Gentle-
, men opposite as having caused 'the evils they fore.
told, Merely because they had foretold them.
He concluded by stating it as his sincere opitdon,
that the conduct of Government throughout had
been highly culpable.
Captain PARKER, in a tone of great anima-
' time enimadverted'ulion the alleged impropriety
of the Learned Gentleman's aiding, by his coon.
sets", the efforts of the Honourable Baronet, to
ezalt in the country a standard of sedition and
. tumult. [Cries of Order, Orderq
Mr. PONSONiIY rose to order, and was pro-
ceeding to ennenent upon the highly unparliaMen.
Lary language that had been resorted to by the
lioneucable Geutletean, when
' Captain PARKER readily acknowledged, that
he hail been itesilvertently hurried into an expres-
sion that. could not at all .etply to the Learned
Gentleman, and apologized to that Gentleman and
the House fur the error he had been mumen.
betialed into. Ile could not, however,
help eipreseing his. wish, that the House would
adopt the proper course at once, and expel Sir
Fraucis Ilnedett. The objection to that seenied
to he,- that Sir Francis would be returned again ;
but hiked too high'ass opinion .of the good sense
of the. Slecto;rs of Wslstminster to believe that
keelbfe. He whe satislieet, that whets once they
innotiplibutsteittimillbs eAriiii.42lll::: conduct, on
tilwarareitrie

that House. _
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY and Captain PAR.
KEIL mutually explained.
Lord PoactiEstr.a, for the purpose of
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coming to an unanimous decision, suggested the
propriety of omitting the word 64 aggravation" 1
in the resolution proposed. While he highly
condemned the conduct of Ministers, he at
the same title thought that the conduct of Sir
Francis Burdett throughout the business from be,-
ginning to end could not I;e reprobated in lan.
guage too strong. The noose was called upon to
rally roomd the violated authority of their Speak-
er, and as they valued their existence as a branch
of the Legislature to maintain it. This, however,
had nothing to do with the conduct of iMinisters,
which had beets most reprehensible. To their
fluctuation, rashness, improvidence, and indeci-
sion, were to be traced all the evils .that had oe.
curred throughout that degrading and unfortunate
contest. The Noble Lord then proceeded to reca-
pitulate the objections that had beeu urged against
the conduct of Mioister4,particularly that respect.
ing the advice alleged to be given to the Serjeant,
recontmendiug to him the adoption of measures,
though they could not ensure him frees hanging if
he followed them op.
Mr. STEPHEN entirely agreed with an Ho.'
nourable Baronet opposite, in thinking that the
spiestion had been. totallelost sight of. Ile con-
ceived, however, that,Missisters were hardly dealt
wills, in bating their conduct so strongly animas!:
' warted upon ill a question to which they were not
parties. Why did toot Gentlemen wait till the evi-
dence was before the llonse, and then bring
forward a motion of censure upon Ministers for
their conduct in this business i Instead of fol.
lowing this fair and candid mode d promo&
ing,. they now, at a moment when the public
feeling had not snbsittcd, but weals:lt is its fullest
force, introduced topics which went to infer con.,
sure oon the conduct at Ministers, end yet in
the sante breath, asked the goose to come back
to toe simple goestion as to the letter to the
Spesker, and proposed, that all proceedings in re.
lotion to it should be postponed for six months.
Lie was at a loss to apprehend on what ground his
Hon. and Lcarsted Friend (Sir S. Remaly) db.,
salted from the At of his Right Ho.
adorable and Learned Friend (Mr. Pereoval).,
tie did not, indeed, approve of the original mos
tion...he dissented front the idea•of its being a
libel, or that it ought to be punished by commit.
meat • hut still could hie .11onotirable and
Learned Friend attempt to vindicate the Letter
'sew 'under considerations Be 'was sorry, forthe
6rst time, to find two Minlbers slhtt st so
Mgh is that diocese and ii this oountry (Mr. Whit.'
brawl and Sir S. Romilly) po'the length of hying
it down thattheye was me harm in tte Letter ot the
IlOsoursblit Baronet to hie Coosiitocots, sod in the
arsoracnt accompanying it. fie understood them
to Ws sped as a .raftr sight, that the publics.
viola wee no. libel, but to agree that pads' of it
woe bighly disrespectful. Is suit way, they might
edatOlPig that tiler soski net tel'stie present let,.
le-. to be an 'aggravation I hoot if not so, it was is,
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NM their Mindi. The elicit of this would' be .to
withdraw from the cousideration of the House
what, to the idea of these Honourable-Gentlemen,
was an original offence, and what to the conception
of others, was an aggravation of an offeoee of which
the Hen. Bart. had already been guilty, fie eon.
grattdated the House and the Country,kowever, on
the sentiment which seemed to be universally re.
cognized in that House, and which he hoped would
go abroad in the country, that there was ao truth
whatever in the allegation that the Houottrable.
Baronet had been advised to the conduct recently..
observed by him by other Members of that Holm.
Nut one Member had spoken on the oecao
sion who did nut condemn the conduct of the Ron.
Baronet ; and he congratulated the Honse and the
Country on the ciretnnstauce. Adler his resist.,
:ince to the warmest of the S.teaker the Honour.
able Baronet had not an advocate in that House.
The Honourable and Learned gentleman .pro—.
ceeded to vindicate Ministers from any charge
of remissness in affording tild to the Seta
jeant in carrying the warrant into execution.
Even if there bad been a doubt as to the effect
of the warrant, whether it would bare en!itled the
person who was to execute it to break open the
house of the Hon. Bart. he should have been of
ought still to hive been issued. He
tlumght It creditable tail intisters-thattheisPiritor
disorder had been suppressed with so little mss.
chief, and that the force of the country had been
la temperately exerted. It was not the duty of
Ministers to direct the Serjeant as to the mode of
executing the warrant. As well might the Judges
in our Courts of Law he called on to advise the.
Sheriffs as to the execution of their duty. Its the
Courts of Law the right of bretating into the
house on warrants for contempt had been greatly
qiiestionea, and it had-been held, that if of a cri.
muiel nature, the breaking was lawful ; if not,
that it was illegal.
Lord TEMPLE and Sir S. ROMILLY ex.
plained.

Mr. C. W. WYNNE said, Ministers had al.
lowed Piccadilly to be in the possession of the
.nielb for too days, and the houses of several gen.
deflect' to be derroyed ; and it was not till an at-
tack was made on Dostrning.street that any resist.
fusee was thought of. He contended, that it was
the duty of Gentlemee opposite to here instructed
the &Taut as,to the mode of vieestieg the wdr..
unitnet on the grodhd of their being the Minis.
ters of the Crown, but a' leading Members of
that House, with wisons the measure of commit.
ment hit originated. II 41 the proposal winr
from that side of the House, ho should have-
esteemed them caned on to instruct. the Ser.
kant how to act ; and he was satis6.4 he wroth,
irli.g_verrnbeed. have received much better legal advice from his
Ifonoaf.ible and 'partied Fans& (Mr. Adam),
than in that quarter w .cre he had applied foi it. ,
Mr. 3. C. BEREiFORD declared, that he
did not repent of the, vote he ha I given oil the
former night. lie was rather convinced of the
propriety Of that vole by subsequent mots. He.
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his letter, in furtherance of a lons NOW enepese
'he had entertained, to .set the comet," at variaecc,
and to produtie a revolutiee. From whet the in.
Habitants of Weitininster saw of Cost sanquinAry.
Gentleman, he was convinced there wirild be no
danger of his . being again retuctied. On that
conviction he should move for pis expulsion, did
•he not see it was not agreeable to the sense of the,
House. • . •
Lord MILTON agreed Olt the letter to the,
Speaker wig a great aggravation of the offence of
the Honourable Baronet. He .did not approve,
however, • of either. the original prop tition or the
amendment. If the Bonn wore to notice it at
ell,. he thought they ought to take some step in it,
hut what he was nut prepared fo say. He was
afraid they had expended all their. .ammunition at•
ficst, and had already gone their full length. It
would have been much better had they originally
contented themselves with censure, and nut gone
the length of conimitment:
Mr. LYTTLETON said, it ever there was an
occasion in which unanimity was required, this
was the occasion. He was surprised at the speech
of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman op.
posim Oteplien), and was decidedly of opinion,
that muth of the blame arising from the late san.
guinary proceedings must fall upon Ministers.
•As that, however, was not now the qnestiois, he'
shouldnot Indulge in it at protest, but should
content himself with stating, _that such was his
cow/Wien. There could, he was convinced, be
but mio opinion on the subject of the Letter
now 'Hideo considerition. To tell the Speaker
of . that House that he knew„ehe warrant he,
had signed to he an illegal warrant, was a
groat' insult, was language which no one Gen.
&men sapid bo permitted to use towards an-
other, far less to the Speaker of thatifouse.- lie
regretted to be obliged to say so, ionsidering the
esteem he' bad felt for the Honeitenble Buono.
Those Gentlemen who had obspeute(the winning
manners sad amiable qualities of the Honourable
Baronet, ',could believe him when he said,.. that
the sentiments he was now compelled to niter were
wrung bona him ; let he must discharge his pub-
1k duty, Witter ptinful and distressioe to. his
-own leafy. This was a case, however, in which
there eras no alternative, and he was compelled to
declare that he was convinced there was not a
.single expression in this letter which could he
justified. As a friend to liberty, he could not
agree that eke Henstitrahle Baronet was warrantee!,
for four days, to continue a system of resistance
to the solitarily of that Rouse, where he had not
any reasonable prospect of ultimate success. A
great man and a zealous friend to the liberties of
Nis country, *whose loss that House had so fre-
quently otteleiell to-deplore, Mr. Fox, had laid
it down that nothing could justify resistance but
the prospect of ultimate success. Would it be
said that the Hon. Bart. had, In this case, any snob
prospect I Bet, in addition, the cireurestaseek
under *MO the resistance had been attempted by
the fko.. Ditypet made it in .him Xll crime. HsrJ
`t lei not pee by. the impliedproithe Of theilow.,
Baronet. matte to the Autjet6t, 'Oder he had
Artfdtie. this was lte alworortiat of. the,
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ton) must Injure him in- future not: only
14 a political but as private friend. There
*as slip another circumstance which he could
not reconcile in the conduct of the ilonottrable .
Baronet, and it was this; that the flroneerable
Baronet had bees s-tended from the 'first .te the
last of fins aincoustitutional proceedings by the bro.
they of a notorious • traitor (hear, hear !). He
did Stoma to say that the treason of one brother
was to be inferred from the treason of another.
He did nut wish to be understood to say, that Hos
ger O'Couuor was a traitor. But this he would
say, that ft wateabecoming a persot in the is.
tuition of the Honourable Baronet to chose Mid
select as bit bosom friend, the brother of Ar.
thur O'Connor. It was well known that this per.
•0441 was a lifurealed and open traitor of the
blackest kind; that he was employed in thi
service of our natural -and implacable enemy, anti
that his business was to conduct in English
Nemspaper,in Paris, for the purpose of disrimui:
oiling hie ;editions and treasons in this coentiy..
Was it by patronizing, encouragieg, and intro.
during foreign papers of thin dreciiptiOni that the
lien. Baronet Witkiltli to protect the intereets,, and
to secure anil re.estahlish the liberties *Sid rode.
pendent' of England ? [hear! hear! heart] Me
declared, that he did disclaim the Hoo..Birmilet
-front the hottenrof-ivis-beirlriscid- that he' wield
oppose him on every occasion. As he had already
said, he was desirous of abttainiag at mount retorts
any, observations on the conduct of Ministers. In
statlhg what he had now done, be: had discharemi
his (Jet), ; and wishing, that on cOnduci such as
that pursued by the Honourable Baronet, as
strong a censure as possible should pass, the Naos .
tion of the Chancellor of the Limb:quer shodhi
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have his support. . . . .
-Colonel 111JICITINiON trusted-the his 'pub-
lic conduct would protect him from the imputation
of speaking disrespectfully of the Committees of the
United Kingdom; neither could he he ,sippoecii
capable of giving his sanction to any attempt of
disturbing the trunqiiillity of the metropolis, Or df
any part or the empire. Having tholght it ite.
cebs4ry to make these preliminary obsereations ;
he could wit acqviesee in eifiiir of the motions
now proposal in he 'founded upon the letter of Vie
Lion. Bart. Since first the di: session upon 'these
~ittifortulate traits:miens was orgi atedt hi gni.
.t•ently took a lately ojiposite outer: i.) that of the
; !tight lion. Gentlemeti who were in Administiatioti.
The first opportunity that he had, he doebred his
opinion against the committal of Mr. Gate /Ones.
He was nut in the Hoes . when that question was
first brought forward; but tin a sublespent t#Ea.,...
*ion he deerecated the' course porsued, and Yes
one of a matiority of fourteen who voted for bit..
liberation. .‘Vithrint entcriog into aiy disciskitnels-i
,upon the eat raise of the privilege which the Housti.v,
assumed, he did room:jet ihatlacinipated orate, •
of Mr: Jones has the must venial,, aulthit theta.
olesiori of the.. erablic from the dehatei •of 'that
416 *lse,. at that Spilflielliar. torment; tat 111 NW-
aitlll4.: provocatiou to excite popelar;iiissootout:
•• • .#o4l4.4*.A*M•PAlryli• Apabli* •
T;stivi
re'ingr .tt sat, to my torn let 4 o it, ••*oni.
knot !vas tenet& the country. (cis . Aar!)
W!ke'll he hid resat the argument, ofillitHee
o.,erable Baronet upon that ouoimitt* how..
ever he did regret the introdectiee Of idletii.
perate lengusge, still. he was fulfy 4111044d' tb it
through the whet., 'of that argument, sod In -
~every inference the Hon'ourable Iliroaet had 0 a ittj•
be was correct. With such impression's spoil h$
:mind, there was nothing in the &induct el the '
4.14 ht Honourable Gent!, ta o oppolitt to ladeeet '
him to alter his ocieinal• to traction. Ile iiivuld nut
directly says that the Reset toss against the lion.
Baronet were first intrujecol at the will of the
.Ministers, • huwever, strongly' be felt lie greet in..
terut and impatience 'clime by there re press
and precipitate a tetity decisi on fiat' very
serious subject. - lietievits4 then, ileac charge.
able with hardship agein.t Mr. ate Joliet, and
acquiescing in the correctness of the argetticnts
of the Honourable Baruwe, it was impossible
for him to vote for either the Motion of the,
lion. Gentleieliti (Mr. Carotin). or the Amend.
ment of the Chancellor of thi idachetier. The
former ,the Chancellor
had that night called upon the
House to rally at this crisis around the Goterit. •
ment. 'ln answer to seen .‘n appeal, he must sEly,
that whilst lie :fasted upon every occasion to prove
his attatihmeut to his Soverei,ei and Country, he
still-mnst contend that no batty of men ill that
House.could or ought to place their eenfideece iti
any Ministry who did not unequivocally make to
the country specific declarations- in favoorsOt that
reform which every aimed mind new salitwas ab.
solutely necessary, and without whiini .It wee
hopeless to look for the support and Coolidence of
the people of these realms.
Mr. (AIRMEN briefly replied to sOme obtcr.
-vations of the preceding speaker. He did nut
think that in what •he had said in the commence.
went of the dcbste, there was any ground fo"r the
charge that he had is hileal In insinuationg against
' the lion. Baronet. Neither was he chargeable
with having called for a blind and unmerited conli.
dance in the present. Government, although he did
think that there was some credit due to them fur,
-the prproptitude end cfficieot arraneeuient of the '
precautioes Spinet the continuance of the late lin*
fortunate tumults: ifs had no objection to with•
draw as his only wish was to get
an st
the floats upon the lets
ellanisito Por:ncei6itlslnien of
ter °PIO Hoe. tiart.
Mr. NV lIITHATIAD sahly he viola ea. l assent
to have that mo•ion withdracia, as It walezthe only
Amendinent to which he :coold conscientiously
give his eigent. He did hut, bolster, mean to
lIKISS the House to a diviiiokelios it.
Mr. GOOCH expresteid his inmost ablibtranca
of the coattect of the Ilonourabhe Barodet, and
felt confident that. the misguided melte would
woo see iris conduct in the saint Sp*.
Lord COCHRANE felt cooodess that ha
.. could not So charged with say gadvirlto throw the
,country. into a state of iatediso isinntotios, hew.
coat be soigh_t. fed it Mi' duet% dlespprovo of
soma .part ill Abe meted IhMit iiii The
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