The Statesman.
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pent measure was to make it impossible that the /nark t
should again be brought down on a sadden by an un-
limitted importation. He believed that fixing the price
at 70s. would now give as m tch protection as 80s. did
in theirear 1815. A degree of distress much greater
than what was felt in England had been experienced ou
the Continent, and that too in countries where taxation
was scarcely known; and that would go to prove that
taxation In this country was not the cause of the dis-
tress. However iaadequatn some of their Lordships
might think the protection afforded by this Bill, he still
thought it probable that itneightbe attended with a good
effect, especially in case 'had harvest should take place;
and it was, at all events, as good a Bill as could be de-
vised, ander all the circumstances.
The Earl of CARNARVON thought it desirable to
ascertain what was the minimum of protection whirb
would suffice, to sustain the agricultural inter-.t, as he
was convinced that the country could not flourish long
of the ;wires of agricultural produce were forced much
4have those obtained in other markets of Europe. Such
a measure would prove filial to oar commerce and ma-
nufacturer, wonld destroy the home market, and occa-
sion incalculable distress. Before they proceeded to
legislate on this subject for future generations, they
ought to he well informed of the causes of the present
distress, and he thought they could never have less data
•to net upon than they had at present. He was of opinion
..that much of the existing distress grew out of the alter-
ation which lied taken place in the currency of the
country. This subject, however, he did not mean to
press on the house at that moment. He could not per-
suade himself that any Noble Lord could think that
iii).. or even 70s. the quarter could continue permanently
the priee of wheat in this country. A higher price than
11t.. could not be reckoned upon. They had no data on
which they could legislate prospectively, and therefore
he put it their Lordships whether it would not be wise
to avoid coming to any decision at present; upon these
grounds he should tote for the amendment.
Lord REDESDALE did not conceive this was the
time for legislating on the present subject; Sod he was
stare that this hill would give rise to a spiritnigninhling
highly injurious to the int of the eostimOigand pro-
deice dangemns fluctuations in the pricesoreltilitnodities.
One cause of the great distress of the agriculturists at this
time was, that three buthels of corn, when brought to
the market now, would not enable the farmer to obtain
more commodities than one bushel did 100 years ago;
and there was no period in the history of the country,
when earn was at so low a price as at this time. It
would be impossible that other commodities should not
experience a deprecitation similar to that now felt in
aged taltnral produce ; when that was done, a relief
wrothd follow as a matter of coarse, anal the bill could
have no effect in producing such a state of Wogs. He
objected to this hill, because it would be putting the
trade in corn, when carried on by merchants, upon a
stock lobbing system; and give rise to Balls anal
Bears in the corn market. just as theyesisted in Change-
alley. He did not think that the importation of foreign
corn could be injurious ; but on the contrary, must be
advantageous to our farmer, if no corn but what was of
the best quality were allowed to be imported ; for then
there might be a mixture of corn that world be service-
able to the country. He thought their Lordships ought
to postpone the consideration of this measure; and then
they would have the means of acquiring information be-
fore they brought forward a new measure. If prices did
not rise to 80s. before next Session, it would be impos-
sible for this bill to bare any effect. As to the corn laid
op in warehouses, it kept a quantity of capital locked
up from the public ; and be thought if corn were per.-
trotted to be sold on the payment of a moderate duty, a
considerable advantage might accrue to the public.
Lord ELLENBOROLTIiII did not conceive it possible
to legislate permanently on the subject of corn ; every,
measure of this kind nowt he temporary, and depend no
existing circumstances. The present • Bill he thonglit
would have this good effect, that it would prevent the
price of corn from rising too high. The measure cer-
tainly could net produce any relief to the agrlcuitur'
but it worth! prevent mischief; and on that accoantAel
thought it ought to pass. It would enable Parlientordi
to form suck a judgment respecting thepeoduce and At=
rency of the country, as would guide them hereafte
introducing a more perfect system than that which now
existed.
1 he Earl of DARNLEY could not conceive any thing
more abortive and inefficient than the present measure ;
and circumstances might arise under which it would be
impossible to put this law in force without a danger of
insurrection. He thought a great part of the agricul-
tural distress arose from high rents and taxes; and this
Bill would give no relief; of this he could give no better
proof than the fact that tbe very persona for whose relief
it was intended were opposbd to it. Their Lordships in
this m rrrrr e were doing no good, but they might do
mach mischief; and, ie.-common sense, it would be
much better to pause 'iota the next Session of Parlia-
ment. z,
, The Earl of MORLEY said there was a great owe■
tainty at this moment as to the quantity of corn in the
country ; and he thought that great advantage might
arise from passing this Bill, in case a fluctuation in
prices should take place before the next Session of Par-
liament.
Their Lordships then divided on the question for
going into the Committee—
t!ontents,37—Non-Contents, 19—Majority, 18.
The house then went into a Committee.
The Earl of DARLINGTON said, he considered this
a most useless and improper measure ; and be would op-
pose it in every stage.
The report was then received, and the Bill was ordered
to be read a third time on Monday next, when the
Lords were ordered to be summoned.
Adjourned to Monday.

SUPPLY.

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Mr. D. BROIVNE explained. H. bad only MO int to
say that there were plenty of provisions in Ireland, but
the poor had not the means of purchasing them. He
had not said there was no distress.
Sir J. NEWPORT said a few words, which we did
sot distinctly bear.
Mr. VILLIERS deprecated the idei that the distress
of Ireland bed been at all exaggerated.
Lord BINNINO moved that the petition from the
Subscribers to the Scotch National Monument be re-
ferred to Ott Committee of Supply.
Mr..lllllllE objected to the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
the course proposed be the Noble Lord would be the
most convenient for taking the Petition into considera-
tion. _ _ .

Sir R. WILSON opposed the motion.
Sir R. WILSON wished the Honourable Baronet to
state the reason why the inhabitants of Highgate, if
they wanted a Chapel, did not proceed to build one
somewhere else.
Sir J. ORAHAM did not pretend to he acquainted
with the secrets and the motives of the parties. The
answer, however, seemed obvious; namely, that they
considered themselves to have a right to the existing

Chapel..
Mr. Alderman HEYGATE said, that without refer-
ence to the personalties of any of the parties. the Hons.,.
in his opinion, ought not to interfere wills peopetty
willed by Sir Roger Cholmeley, to conveet it to any
other purpose than that he contemplated.
Sir M. CHOLM ELEY made a few observations in fa-
vour of the Bill.
Mr. BROUGHAM said that hiejudgment has neither
been influenced by one party or the ether. His opinion
was first formed opus the Report of the Commissioners
for enquiring into the state of Charitable Institutions.
With regard to the system upon which Private Bills were
carried through both Houses of Parliament and obtained
the Royal Assent, if ikwere exposed and laid open it
wonld make those Houses themselves shudder at the in-
justice which was practised upon property, and fill the
country with disgust. There was a practice of canvass-
ing in Committees, carried to such an extent, that Geo-
Gowen were induced to do there upon questiont involv-
ing the most extensive rights of property. what they
would not do in a jury box in a ease of five pounds value.
Unless Gentlemen entered Parliament, as he had done,
with a determination of having nothing to do with pri-
vate Bills unless they were is reality of real public im-
portance, they would be sure to find themselves draw.
into these proceediags. He should certainly take ali
opportunity of bringing the subject forward, and calling
the attention of the Home towards it. He did lot mean
to charge this upor any particular aide of the House,
it was common to both. He opposed the Bill before the
House, because he considered they bad no power to ap-
ply the property of Sir Roger Cholmeley contrary to the
direction contained in his Will. He had plainly di-
rected its application to the maintenance of a school;
and chapel-building and sebool-beepiog were distinct
things. If the inhabitants of Highgate wanted a chapel,
he should be quite ready to grant them a Bill, author-
ising the usual mode of levying the money for building
one.
Mr. WETHERELL supported the Bill, upon the
ground that the chapel was origiaally intended for the
use of the hamlet, and not to be confined to the master
and scholars of the school.
Mr, N. CALVERT expressed himself. as we under-
stood, adverse to the Bill.
Mr. WETHERELL observed that from the beginning
this was a parochial chapel, and marriage rites were per-
formed there.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL 'managed himself
against the Bill, as the ground that Peakianiegt weaned.,
lie proper place to decide upon it, widlictie question was
ow pending in the Court of Chancery.
Mr. H. SUMNER was at first inaudible. but we after-
wards miderstood him to defend his conduct in Commit-
ees on private Bills, while he admitted there was a
deal in the system which d rd censure.—
After some observations on the Bill, he hoped the
Honourable Member who introduced it would consent to
its withdrawal.
Mr. BYNO replied, and deft ..oled the principles upon
which he introduced the Bill. After which
Mr. WHITBREAD said that be could not vote for the
Bill pending a snit in Chancery, and hoped his Hon.
Friend would withdraw it.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, and the
numbers were—
For the Bill, 69—Against it, 62—Majority in favour
of the Bill, 7.
On our re-admission into the gallery, we found
Mr. BROUGHAM on his legs, speaking against the
general principle of the Bill, which,
After a few words from Mr. CaLcsarr and Mr. H.
Sumsait, was ordered to be read a second time.

N iTIONAL MARITIIES RIGHTS.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH was deeiroes of putting two
questions to the Noble Marquess whom he saw in his
place, relating to matters of the highest national im-
portance. It was reported that some time ago the Em-
peror of all the Ruins. bad issued a Ukase restricting
the navigation of the sea between the uestb-west coast
of America, and the north-eastern coast of Ada. He
wished to know whether the Government bad received

any official communication upon the subject.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, than copy
of the document to which the Hon. Member alluded to,
had been officially communicated to this G went by
the Rnssian Ambassador. Shortly after receiving it a
note bad been put in by the Government, disclaiming
the principles upon which the document was (cllided.
It was both resting upon the justice of tile case, and also
upon our maritime principlm that the Governoteot bad
stated that it toad sot secede to thismimmare e-A(Hear,
hear.)—At the same time it invited friendly explaaatioo,
hoping that the two powers would preserve their rela-
tions of amity, and come to an amicable adjustment of
the question.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH stated the other we upon
which be was anxious to receive information from the
Noble Marquess. A British ship had lady Been cap-
ture) and ceodemned io a Spanish port for trading from
Buenos Ayres, under the old colonial, commercial, and
fiscal laws of Spain. He wished to know whether his
Majesty's Government had received any official commu-
nication of the condemnation of such a ship.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY had an recollec-
tion of any such a case. If the Hon. Member would
state the name of the vessel he would make the necessary
enquiry.
Dr. LUSHINGTON said the name of the ship was the
Lord Uollingwood. He would send the Noble Lord a
copy of the confiscation.
The Marquess ,f LONDONDERRY said he would
he glad to receive the paper, and the conversation
dropped.
Mr. W. SMITH said, that there had been a decision
had in the Court of Exchequer, on Saturday last, upon
the question of the process of Extents in Atd, which it
was desirable should be before the House. He therefore
rose to move that the paper be printed.

Mr. VERNAL seeing. among the Orders of the Day,
motion for a Committee on the Distress in Ireland,
wished to know what was the precise object, as the sub-
ject was one that recently come before the house, when
sum of money was voted for the employment of the
poor In that country ?
Mr. OOULBURN said, that the object of the present
motion was to afford immediate relief to those who now
loitered under the pressure of extreme distress. He

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