The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-02-02 00:00:00

DV ICH COLON IES.-JAVA.

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The ',argils of LANSDOWN said, -he rose per-
sestet to entice, to move for the lostructieste omit
to the Governors of Java, sod other Colonies in the
East ladies, ceded or pestered to the Kim; of the
Netherleads, win; regard to their 4 der to the
belch Authorities; end also a Copy of We Protest
of Sir Thema. Stamford Raffles. It was not now his
'matelot% to enter late the tonsideration of the policy
et surrendering these Colonies to the King of the Ns.
tbarlands, because whatever epistlers. might hare been
Itutertained opoo that point, ur however Ott Colonies
is question might biota been of resew'si advantage to
this country, %lib • view to our rousse/cml pre.
sperity, be most isow take the treaty by which they
were surrendered to have beam approved of by
Parliament, and he should toot, therefore, et tail
present impotent enter into the consideratios el it.
"—There were, however, oat, consideration. tea.
'acted with this sohject which he thought imperious.
firallfiff foe the attention of their Lordships, leas.
me" as if Inghgemeuts had been entered into by to
which, in consequence of the unconditional serrelb•
der to the Dutch, bad become violated, it wee sere.
ly a gyration materially ineolvitts the honour of tie
cassialry. lie was she'd It would be booed that ea
our part, whilst is pommies of those Colosimo,
eopireapeats had been teetered sate, by *leo el
which, kdraistogite had Wow received by to, bet de'
proteerlon we were to afford In rotors, had it see•
ettqw nee of the unconditional mender of those
Lolruies bee. put so seal to, and thus the serge.'
moots on our part were completely violated. lie did
set mean loge into a detail of rireamstances for the,
purpose of showing the different instaoces in which'
Ibis species of conduct bad occurred, but he should
confine himself to lite case of the Island ..f Jan. It '
would be recollected by their Lordships, that, IQ
1811, the late Earl of Mint., then Governor-Gene.
roil of India, sent ao elpedition against Java, which
oats completely saccessfel. That the Governor.
General in that institutee deserved the greatest credit,
`sr the planning of the eapedition bad been school". '
' ilged by Parlosmest, and so important en 'egoist-
:Foe was the Island of Java deemed, that the coo-
lers, .r. it 1114 particularly alluded to in the S.,vecii
if •!te Prince Regent in 1812, and the moat pleasing
ststicipsflurts were sudulged in the advantages to the
onto:erre of the country, which would be derived
'root this on.. •cgoisition, anticipations, which there
a .4 PIP?, reason to believe would have hems realised.
iAird Mime tied with great jurlcinent selected Sir
l'hoies•Sternseild Raffles to administer the Govern•
mean elute bleed of Java, who soon atterwastis tlim
covered what the 1)olch bad taken gr.at pains to tire-
vs. t Trona betumiig known, that there was a very
topside, obi* popeletion in the interior of Java,
emireotissi In 5 or 6,000,000, ender their own
Primes., some of ahem, it was tree, were so-
minalty sohject to the Dutch Government; bet
others' west completely Jodi/pendent, and as
, Legitimate Sovereigns as any in Europe.---..-
! Witt, our of these, the Sultan of Palembang, Si.
Thomas Halle. has! thought it expedient In aster into
a Treaty, en order to obtain (or the British Govern.
mem the Island of Baoca (a settlement essentially
ad tantrgeoes to the commerce id this ensotry, par-
ticularly Igo. its comitionication with China) ; in
retorts for which, he agreed to guarantee the autho-
rity of the ..uttan of Palembang. By the Treaty of
Paris, ell t'.e Coloaies which were in tile possession
of the Dutch in 1803, were surrendered to the King
of the Neihmlaucts unconditionally. Bet the island
of Banco never having been in the possession of the
Dutch, a ep,ciel Article was framed, by which that
Island was ceded to the King of the Netherlands In
fell Sovereignty, still, however, without any condi-
tion ; and thee the Island, which had been acquired
hy es, under the condition of gearanteeing the as.
toothy of the %elfin of Pelpeibieng, gas not only
ceded to the Dutch, without any stipulation to
sustain that gearautee ; but that stipulation
was without sere* violated by the Dutch Au.
rhoriti,s, whilst we, as the price of Bosco, es.
feted into p;• 'version of Cochin, and left the Li.
tan of Palembang completely unprotected, after
alemitly notiertsiting to guarantee his authority.
..4r 'I homes Ramps protested @priori the act of the
t a k log po lon of Banta soder these circumq.nees,
but •iihoot avail; the parch Aelbosities istaistiug ;
upon the execution of the *fierily, arrording to the
letter of 111 'rms. A Protect was sobsegiently made
' siy Sir Thomas Raffles (who naturally felt anaieoe
as • man respecting engagements which be bad per.
'Neatly entered into, and, es a Billieli Governer; fur

the honour of his coentry), against the steps taken
by the Dutch in Palembang, in violation of the au-
thority of the Sultan; and it was thia Protest which
he wished to have produced. lie was desirous of
calling the attention of their Leeds/tip to these cir-
cumstances, which, in his opinion, materially in-
volved the honour of the country. Sovereigns in that
quarter, to which this question referrid, might have
so knowledge of those rules of diplomacy which
operated in Europe.. States, bat they celled in their'
Treaties with es upon the honour and character of
Ibis country, and sorely it was most essential to our
interests that that honour and character, when
pledged to the performance of a Treaty, should not be
subjected to tie degradation of the violation an oar
part of goy Trinity deliberately entered into and con-
cleded. He (kited, therefote, there would be no
objc tion to ley the Papers he wee about to move for
before the Moose. His Lordship concluded by
moving for the doenmeats mentioned in the beginning
of his speech.
Earl BATUURST row His Lordship mid, that
he no *Tepee to that part of the Noble Margeheie
motion Old embraced the Instructions to Governor
Hairs, on his g.log net; bat If the motion was to
be extended to the @lisle of the Sultan Palembang,
he must object to the production at the letter part,
as involving a variety of matter which was at pre-
sent the subject of amicable arrangement. With re-
gard to the surrender of Java, it seemed to be the per.
session of the Noble Marquis, that the British Go-
vernment sass hound to exact certain conditions from
that of tie Netherlands; bet be, on the other band,
conceived that so each duty was reqeired of them.—
Any such conditions meat have been demanded in vio-
lation of treaties. It would hare been in direct Tis-
hah,* of the Treaty of Paris to have required them;
sad if the Dutch Commissioners had signed such con-
cessions on their part, the Much Government was,
neither prepared nor required to confirm them.—
' Neither bad the British Government In any way
countenaotod such a declerstioe or undertaking, as
tweet to preserve to tie satire Princes new rights or
prienegelat the conclusion of the war, when of ne-
cessity they were to revert to the Sovereignty of the
Netberlauds. We took possession of Beam, by en
expeditious at a period of war, ceded a nominal So-
tereignly to the Sallee of Palembang, and acknow•
lodged his independence while we were able to
maintain H; bet Dever could it be sepposessi that
we bad tagged to protect him from the casual-
ties or Holies that might ensue from our serreeder
of it. Tbetree question for their Lordships to roe-
alder wagicille 4104_01iiicti ;whited with oho Dutch
ll `
ertiog Ai war, Wets we thin assumed Inr a time,
but Obeli reverted to the Government of the Ne-
therlands by the Treaty of Peace. le saying this, he
was mot defending the aesthete of the Dutch Govern.
ment in this particular ease, nor did he intend to
meddle with it. With respect to the value Noble
Marquis thought proper to attach to the pesst,ssion of
Banc. and the adjures( parts, be himself most con.
fess, that he considered it not oar interest to increase
the sale of oar rlepeed•scies in that quarter of the
world. Respecting the second Protest of Sir T. S.
R4iss, be could assure their Lindships, that It mug
unauthorised and unofficial. There had been cows
plaints of Sir 'l'. S. ItilUes woe home, upon which
be was recalled, but it was Iles to that Gentleman to
say, lie was stquilted bousiersiblj of them. Asiatics
to clear himself in every point of view, Sir T. S.
Riles had, before he sated out again, mere than
niece expressed his sotiritude to pat himself well in the
estimation of the People of Java. When. however,
Sir Thomas west out the second time, his @potpies-
merit was roreely as a couinierrist resident, he bed
no civil authority, and the seemed Protest was mete.
I y an is.tlateti met. Such being the case, it was
derriere how that Protest avoid be given in an an-
horised way ; and besides, were the documents of a
different stamp, parts of it related to the possession
of Peirentring still ender discussion. Ile therefore
hoped lint their • Lordships would see the propriety
of resisting the enntloo.

Lord HOLLAND observed, that the observations
of the Noble I.:+rl (13tilterst) were any thing bet an
answer to his Noble itslethin (the Marvels of Lams.
down). The Noble Earl ►.d talked of the instree-

lions Wag to umbrae oncooditionil surrender alb*
Colonies aatatiostßd, because it was so provided by
the Treaty ; but the question was, why it was so sti-
pulated by the Treaty ? It would have been math
better to here acknowledged what was probably
mere consistent gate the fact, than any thing else,
that at the time the Treaty was Negotiated, ear OR.
gociators were utterly igeorint of the situation of
Java or Bence, or of the stipolatioas alrectieg them,
that bad been entered late. To have pleaded tbir
Ignorance or earelessnesa, might base served as some
glossa for the omission in the Treaty, bet to set up
such &doctrine as that maintalied by the Nettle Rid,
made the stir of a much deeper dye. I)id the Noble
Earl really mean to maiotain, that a Treaty, solemnly
mitered into with an Independent Sovereign, was to
beset aside upon the mere pretext of oar owe con.
+valence, or the sere allegailen, that there was no
authority to hold one to the Satire Powers In Java,
that the island wee to remain to oar possession at
the peace. It was a question of no light ie.
pertanes, involtiag, as it did, the honour end
character of the country ; sod when the Noble
Earl intimated doubts as to the tleretiptloa of Pa-
pers moved for by Ilia Noble Farad, he would
ask, he. his Nohlo Friend was to know that
elms might 1101 be a Secret Artie'e in the Treaty, thy
related to Hie ungsgruseuts entered into with the
Solutes of Palembang; or how was he to conclude
that no provisioe whatever had been made for the fel
hi sent of the stipetottsas then entered into by the
British Governor, Sir T. flu s? This ass a inns-
action iilkich called testily far sagely,. If awe

was any thing informs! In the motion, the Nob%
Berl, instead of table; advan•sge of thee infor.estity
eadht to fereish the Hetes. +Ph infermstine to log
them ie the right way to overcease that ohjerrioa, eudi
arrive at the feet., which it wes•right the :hey sb
be pet in possession of. If declining sari ■ emu/
he deterseleed to rest on the arguments he had..
reamed that night, they could only ni—rste t -et
his own Goveroment with sheer*. ft appease tt at
we had entered into stipulations Isla the in ^pendent
Sovereigns of those r.ion,ries ahich we bud en, fel-
filled. The Nnble Earl had said. the Winne
were new la peeress with the Dolt ;..ar.no,ent
epee them sehjeets. fie toss glad 1.. .ear that it
ass so, and hoped the resell *Dela be at... at to
preserve the honour of this cnont•s• eon •Ips,ted ; bet
whatever the reeelt might be, he co Id pct heto re.
ptlling *bet matters of such 'spent toceosp.., Wilk%
GYP faith was solemnly pledged, be left o...rei
to an amicable arrengestes •ith one Doleh Gores's.
meet. Toe worst coneeeeeness wars t^ ..e apr,e4
bonded from a course el .• kind. I sigh! be OM
hereafter. that the beet way of ortsehiag Use power
of Great Britain, was to &ell. Mkt character tbe
good faith for which este :as teen laitherto dimly.
puled' It might segeogi men 'hem w,.• wet*
&salmis to dr tinv ne. influesce, aid to int. he
Pee* of the tenti.te.. :eels less to tie Englio•tho
ternmerit than to the Dutch, was llPPrave ebb*
their minds that ill eager re. ors with es, eels *Moir
to be considered as of a temp, ary t.stove. Valet
the Noble Fart WOOld ent,•eat to ouch an al.rmettwsk
of the 'notion es ass necessity to pet Pare is pee-
Session of the Information required, he kit that it
would be his defy to agree to the motion as it now
stood.

Earl BAT/lURST said, if when we schoowledeed
the Salton of Privoilmng w• had cuerenteru hum
spinal every fetere sgeretsion, redoubled!, we
would hove been bound to tare protected Me se.inst
the Dutch. The eroon,l of his refusal of sows of the
Papers was, that the matter ass in arrangement b..
tweed the Sc. countries.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, the Protest of
Sr T. Rages was not as dor .tneni ; bet, se
for as It ought be earful fur the ask« of
Noble Lord sight bare it. The sitter Itself we. le
discussion hetrees this country and the Goreenorvot
of the Netherlands. A colony rimirisered war did
not come seder the sovereignty of the conqueror instil
oolemaity ceded by Treaty of Peace. This was the
ease wi.h Boors, in whisk tbeDetee had a sottlemeot.

The Marquis of LANSDOWN was disposed tat
adopt the sone uhpe of the N Esti. that Sri T.
It tepee Ptottet •ef not ao olds• aunt, sod be
%hostel not press tor it; sltbosth it miaht harp begs
made offirist oy !wine seat home to the secretary of
State, and tiv Mai acted crow it. lie wig gt.d to
beer tb fhi. tubing; was in discos/1,0 between es
cod the Notherlonde. His object was fn ept tha. in.
'trot-ion; fnr tbe musics" of Banes to the Dutch, in
elder to Me hotfoot theft. was agy eP.er 11111011
is 0.0. lie contended apple. thee simile the betee
sight hew a settlement in Mona. Yet they ad "w
eeToreienty, ear flee military aeeeeiVion rf His
modes see thee sleeted t.. e CAlpr .•t die Treaty pew.
dead lertween .he &Isom of P4l,:sbneg end Mr T.
HaH•a fee the eeeelen of Banes.

Tie swiss ass then **rood to, sad dot Hans ad.
jouresed.

HO( iF OF COWMONS.
BOMAR Ot ABWRONEN.
Lewd ARCHI3ALD Ite-tte.teed hit sedge tee
tht ..reet.cttee ef •N miter bag ilw .4 A eteeee.
Teem... metres tbh •41 week. to te-eemew fumy, h et the
tegeetter db. Lnrd Advocate 0'
HIS al At PlOOlOll.
A Melbegerrer tow Lents acquileted the Hewer, a BM
for the Care of ►ie %Weirs bad been pared 1., their
Lordships. •
BANE OF ‘).

Mr. Mitchinson, from oho Monk of 1...E10ra. towage. -1.111.100 s
Amman respecting the W. rk:. Imo ,ut of Hank .f Lag had
Mews, owl Moot Pu-t iIl., so 111.41i:C! Jn.
Mr. (IRE k • 1.1. obwrved, a 1 the r•virrots a these Pap tee
were 'Mewl, iwporinni with respect to ibr dloeotsion wit,. 41
was to epee no 10-inorrno. he it midst be definable thh
ihry dine./ not be printed (0. r da% or two. ',rem'', if
should hermit a the printer's io.niglit iney conittait he received
spin till after to-nsorrovr.
Ilte CH ANC ELLOII .tlhe RICH EQI7 vr alters 4 01 to %be
prerfety of pustrosieg die printhist till after to morrow.
r •tisom IN V/ HI TKCHO4%.• TREE
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The ii;eillieethir City of Lowlife peemoted a Pension from
the Lord Mayor, Aldermen. ant Colombo' or she City of Loa-
ds., for leave so brio? ins Wilco Assorud :so lict o' 5,41 sod
55411 of the Sing,mithorming the ilsitildius a New fatness Is

Whiteersts-erreet. dte.
Mr. W AITHIVIN said. as there were time Mrattert oldie
tummy of Surrey who sight witl fume ow. we of 4.6 ego-
sure. le should. therefore, inure that the Petition Amid tie se
the table.

Mr. HOLM F. SUMNER said t'tis oat a Petition prerisrly
to ase ahkb woo pretested (A.t year. If had thee
aaitt, before the City et Loath. reale rime .he Nod. f others
for their dwn purposes, they weight lint to thaw teat their etre
feed. were ittaelleleet. lie bad thee witived fee re ter ar...
eagles hi eider tit reeeetate this. No sower wa• relet.,ed to
In. order for e4ror went, for Marc 'lase tiro. awl et
64, rr.tra.l of romplytag wi. n the otter. she City of Legatwe
re* Led n Prii.lB6 tittle lided. to re-tweeter Or. tea
ewe, rather Mom thew-Pie see-tiets the City of Leaden a bile
drew their Hill. He mew gave io••ire that wh .seer they
mowed Co hem 1.. bee; a Hill for the in worsting,. he
Meld is.,, for ter pe•wiseties f the Acesa.,. of the Cdr.
Mr. MAITHMAN.-11. had rot sot in i • Hinter .et tier
.i.e, rte had he takes. pro id the Arbor, on tee gobjert otse.
agave. H. writhe it Wen/ Say, Aar lb C--,nest. sof Lee.
den were 11.1111 y s“ 01l ..wrests w oith, is rn.arwM
fairivet, they were hosed to ahem Se the Hosie t Al.d they
wdeid make it appear Owl their portfolio. in t. ea.. was
foe- tied es rr.wo n.ol justice. T 1101 duly indtrartii.l their
owa risaterr., bet "1... show f the C4..11031 Of %lig ti•ter.—
New he prisenei• of the C•iaot of hilidAtei-, o 14, lo it'. me ..f
the Cut f Loewe. t. t'r propotto •..f Aim to .411. %%11-n it
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at ■ area ter, a-.. 1r ea -woo.. of the 'airmen at tam
Cetaly.ef Mitt net. is w big fie wd tewiew.ble tee they
Would &she allt•ktnlfte Gem t pls., Muti.
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p• mt.. so lit Ow CA% 0' 1.0111111,1 .Mlo', to (vino •• • %tiara. to
bsr are peisfureiti liett1441•011116•1114t• lagh 4.4
saW that the prise was elst 1. drainsary the p,...iieet
of the C.terailof eidel. ft,. If sec. lets the Ow. it wl, ht rt•
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