The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-07-13 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JuLv 12.

141SCILLANISOM
141r.SheriffOanaaee presented a Petition from the
Lord Mayor. Aldermen, and Common Council of London
against the Orphans' Fond Regulation Bill.—Referred
to the Committee on the said Bill.

The Leather Doty' Reduction Bill went through a
Committee.—Report on Monday.
The Irish Temporary Advances Bill pissed through a
Committee.—Reporr on Monday.
The Salt Duties Repeal Bill also passed through a
Committee; and several verbal Amendments were
agreed to.—Report on Monday.
The same cawse was taken with respect to the Irish
Salt Duties Repeal Bill —Report on Monday.
The Scottish Spirits Drawback Bill wu read a third
time and passed.
On the motion for reading the Report on the Com-
mitter for providing for the servants of her late
sMa-
jesrv.
Mr. HUME objected to the money coming from the
Consolidated Fond. It ought to be charged.on the Civil.
List. He shnuld, in a (unite stage of the proceeding,
submit a motion to that effect.
Mr. P. GRENFELL agreed in opinion with his Hon.
Friend.

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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said a
,few words in explanation, stating in substance that the
course now pursued was the usual course.
Dr. LUSIIINHTON regretted that the provision was
confined to the is of her late Majesty who tilled a
subordinate capacity lie was at a law to imagine why
Ministers hail excluded the higher servants who were
by her late Majesty's death, reduced to much difficulty.
He condemned this marked distinction between the ser-
vants of an unfortunate Queen and those of one who
had passed her life in prosperity and happiness.
Mr. LOCKHART objected to the amount of some of
the pensions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
pension had been fixed in conforinity with the allowances
previously made by her Majesty.
Mr. STUART WORTLEY could see no reason for a
distinction hem een the menial and higher servants.
Mr. BROUGHAM said the Committee for considering
allowances to be made to the is of her late Ma-
jesty Queen Charlotte had recommended allowances
to be made to the nts in a middle capacity. He
thought the case of Sir William Dell a particularly hard
one.
The Report was then agreed to, and after a few
words from Mr. S. WORTLEY. the CHANCELLOR of the
Ercoxiauen. Dr. LUSHINGTON, and Mr. WEN e, a Bill
was ordered to be prepared in pursuance of the Report,
On the motion for receiving the Lottery Bill Report.
Mr. BENNET said he hoped this was the last of
measures like the present which would ever be resorted
to by Government.
Mr. MONCK repeated the wish of the last Speaker.
Mr. HUAIE thought the Lottery 'rickets ought to be
sold it one, by Government to the public. At
all events, the management or the Lottery should be
Aguelatibeis joy the Suppression of Vier.— (A

:1817..bejlieport.wu then agreed to.
• A message from Me Lords here announced their Lord-
ships assent to several Pills; and to request that the
basso world send them a copy oftbe Report of the Grand
Jury Presentments Committee.
The house acquainted the Messenger that they would
send an answer by Messengers oF their own.
Mr, D. GILBERT moved the printing of the Report
of the London-Bridge Water Works Committee. This
proceeding, he said, was only preparatory to another for
taking down the p bridge and erecting another,
-which should be worthy of the city of London.
The motion was agreed to.

lIRILACIE Or PIIIWILSGC.
Mr. COCRTENAY said he uoderstoml that the Hon.
and Learned Member for Caine would that evening at.
tend in bis place, in obedience to the order of the house.
He usdeestood also that the papers which the Louie bad
already declared to be Breaches of Privilege, had led to
same consequence likely to be of a personal nature, unless
the hope* interferred. The privileges of that house be-
longed is the bowie collectively, and not to any indivi-
dual Member; and be trusted the house would intimate
to the lion. and Learned Member, that whatever might
be his view* or his feelings on the subject, be must not
take any step interfering with the proceedings of the
bons*.lle (Mr. C.) found there were many precedents
of cask wherein the house bad solemnly enjoined iodi•
victual embers not to make any breach of privilege a
personal matter. Tbis had been done in plain language,
for it expressly forbad the Member to prosecute any
quarrel on the subject in question, by sending or accept-
ing a challenge. He should first move, that the Reso-
lutions of Tuesday last be first re td.
They were accordingly read by the Clerk.
Mr. COITRTRIVAY then moved, " That this boast
having resolved the said papers to be breaches of privi-
lege, &tit strictly enjoin and command the Hon. James
Abercrinby not to prosecute any quarrel in respect
thereekt by sending or accepting any challege."
Resolution being put, and unanimously agreed to,
Tlie SPRAIi ER said, the mond course was to follow
selfi a Resolution by directing the Speaker to
cowimunicate the Resolution to the Member in question
in his place.
Lord AL'i'HORP then moved, " That Mr. Speaker
be directed to communicate the said Resolution to the
Hon. James Ahercromby in his place."
Mr. FORBES said the necessity of these proceedings
was mash to hr regretted, as they materially interfered
with the public business. He trusted Hon. Members
would be more guarded for the future in the expressions
which they made use of, when speaking about individn-
ale. He, however, thought there were other and better
mean: of ob.aining redress for any grievance arising out
pllseathe.rpressions than that which sought through the

• • Mi. gitoLIGHAM said he hoped the Hon. Member
bad no intention to frustrate the effect of all that had
been dune by the house. or to set up his individual opt•
Dion against the Resolution which the hunre had just
adopted.—(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. R.) would take leave
hussy, that his Hon. and Learned Friend bad not on the
eceisick, alluded to, dealt in any random charges. lie
was in ibe disebarge of an irksome public ditty,
. that of
*Odin *censer, and he (Mr. D.) was in the judgment
ef Ike holm whether any thing could exceed the distia-
ability with winch he had discharged that ditty
fililitsliedleteviperats and gentlemanly tone be bad observed
in the mine of it.—(Chesrs.)
an'After a few words wont Mr. H. Somas, deprecating
* (upbeat discussion on the subject.
Me. 114)RBES, in explanation. assured the House
that We observations were intended to be of a general.
emereinad that he had not the remotest intention of i

alluding to the particular case of th Hon. Member for
Color.
Mt. BROUGHAM raid, he bad then only t Osprps
bis satisfaction that he had given the Dun. ni-Inlier an
opportunity to offer the candid explanatiou be had just
amen.—{Hear, hear.)
Lord BINNING said, be bad no wish to prolong tl,e
discussion, or to answer the reinort.s of the lion a: d
Learned Member. Renee ruse top west against those
remarks, haviog the effect of prejudging the cases of
other individeals, who had yet to appear oil their tri ;l at
the Bar of the House.

The Motion was then put and agreed to.
The SPEAKER then called on Mr. .IetRCROW/ITi
who appeared in his place, atoll atowl uncovered.
'lle SPEAKER then informed bins that he was com-
manded by the House to acquaint hive with certain Re-
solutions passed by the House. The Speaker then read
the different resolutions; and in conclusion, informed
Mr. Ahercromby, that ha was enjoined and commanded
by the House not to prosecute any quarrel in respect of
either of the said Breaches of Privilege, by sending or
accepting any challenge.
Mr. ABERCROSSST bowed, and resumed hit seat.
Lord ALTHORP then rose, and requesleo the indul-
gence of the House, while be stated the circuolosiator es
which had prevented the earlier attendance of his Hon.
and Learned Friend, and which caused his attendance
no o.—(Hear, hear.)—On Tuesday last, before the pa-
pers in question load been submitted to eke Hoes►, ac.t
while his Hon. and Learned Friend was in perfect i►e '-
ranee that they would be so submitted, be had set off
for Northamptonshire, to communicate with him (Lord
Alohorp) on the subject. In conseqnenee of that commu-
nication they had both set off for the North, with a pur-
pose in view which it was, unnecessary to state to tLe
Noose. On their arrival at Pen►ith they found that the
Messengers from that House load previously pease,
'benumb the town, and were then several miles in ad-
vance—and then they became acquainted with what had
taken place in the House on the subject. They there-
fore found it was impossible to accomplish their object,
as the order of the house would reach Mr. Menzies be-
fore them, and would place that Hentleman in a cdt-
culty. He (Lord A.) therefore tinder all ciresmstatter-e
and recollecting too the order which the Muse bad
made for the attendance of his Hon. and Learned Friend,
and with which they both had, virtually, thotgh not
officially, been made acquainted, Ludt upon himself
to advise, indeed to direct his Honourable and Learned
Friend to return, and attend in his place.—(l.4ml
('heers.)