The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-18 00:00:00

Sithuoath had exercised a most sound discretion in de-

dining to issue the warrant whiob had been applied for.
The lion. Member opposite had stated, and nab great
candour, to the house, that Mr. Pearson had found
no indisposition in any department of government
to assist him in pursuing Mr. Franklin, and •
following up his charge ; that passports had been
immediately granted and facility afforded. lie (the Noble
Lord) believed that passports were unnecessary; but he
was free to state that every step bat been !alien to in.
duce the foreign authorities to assist the c !Nis of Mr.
Pearson ; and that his Majesty's Ministers were most
anxious that those efforts should be successful—that Mr.
Franklin should be produced—that the charge should be
brought forward, and the offence, if prove!, punished
with the utmost ity of the law. There was only
one more observation with which lie would trespass
upon the time of the House. The Foreign-office, he
scarcely knew why, did very often tind its way into the
month of the Honourable Nfember opposite ; and it had
been introduced, he hardly knew how, upon the present
occasion : it bad been said that the individual, Franklin,
had been traced to a house in Downitig.wreet,
tb e • were 2 soldiers at the door. Now lie begged rte..
clearly and directly to state, without evasion, equi-
vocation, or mental reservation, his firm belief that noes,
dividual connected with government ism' any eounexios
of any kind with Mr. Franklin. The Noble Lord dies
c.'ntended that the House ought not, at all events in the
present stage of the business, to ipterfere ; that the
matter, which 'night now, it was to be hoped, be roost-
de.-ed in a train of legal investigation. would he wore
properly examined in a court of justice. where testi-
mony upon oath would be substituted for assertion ; and
concluded his address by characterising the case pre-
sented by the Hon. Member (Mr. flume) as the most se-
consisten t, inconceivable, and incomprehensible romance
that ever had been invented for the annoyance of a go-
verntnent.

The lion. 11. G. Berl NETT knew not nhirh Was nye:
to be aJtuired, the lofty tone which the Noble Loril hri
maintained throughout his speech, or the "Lame and iiu-
potent coucinsiun" in which that speech had terminated.
Surely it might have been ex?ccied that persons se
anvions to prove their innocence lodine the liou4e and
the country aoeld wile the first opportunity tibia pre-
sented itself for investigation: hot the Noble Lord ob-
jected to *lamination even in liusiwe ; he would not se-
fer the Noose i 46 look at the suliject—and why ? Bemuse,
forsooth, a criminal information might be tiled against
the magistrate in the Court of King's Bench. bat
be would tell the Noble Lord, that, b-fore any thiq
roeW be &be in a court of jnstice, t orriii.tion must 1e
proved; awl, although he did not mean t.. arena. Sir It.
Raker of corruption, he bad no limitation in saying
that the coadact of that gentleman had been UP'
irregular and extra-judicial, anal that ha itsght
'lse caned grub et the bar of that House. to explain
Nallset which, In ejaite of the rlefence of the Noble 101,4
Iskeinit*,-4111/retwalned Involved in suspicion. Was therm
la, instance—he would put the question to any es,''

'rue STATI

store, sitting in the house—was tb-re •Ity instance is,
.bids a warrant granted, no matter npoo what
"rouki, by one magistrate. heen dismissed iss
X , either the compleinant nor the granter (;1.
soon, an n
,be warrant consulted in suet, dismissal ? He did hope
that ye sbeeld have some better PXCII4P for the apathy
ar the Home Department than that 'whirl' hail been of.
feed br the Noble Lord who had last sp.sken. He look.
stl at die conduct and at the character ..1 the ilnme
AO in a very different light from that in whirls he j
owed either the Noble Lord's oilier or the War-office.
new departments had not fed a Castle., rlntlied an
ur pnegysited at, Eitwards. In rases like the
smelt he looked at the Homo-office with suspicion.
was se 'mare itifice; and he sn considered it, nut
frau any airy fancy of his own. but (roan farts which 1
win is the ivied and in the mortis of every man in the
„miry. Lord Sidoeouth had been told, Here is a '
.tan committing an act of almost unparalleled atrocity :
bets distribeiing p tilers of the moist
dad rum tendency; this is not his first salient*, he
jissUra two rears engaged in the rot ttttt isnot' of sinsilar
vine.; and hr has dooe all this, callinA himself a total
issa',..ad baring received reward fir his loyalty." Lor4
tjawalb had heard all this, an.l hail thought it sea
web his while to interfere. He (11r. Kennet) did be-
lieve that ma ether can in England con! i hate come to
Nth ameelusion. It was cnrious to observe the conduct
gibe magistrate i s ease • r irr, so anxious to goof
rid*, ,„;„ersbie I, tr. the .islaer I WI. kr. rot who could eat
errs read the hi ifs which he distributed— seizin., time pOor
wretch, confining him—looking if he had any geodes;
Ise bad none. sen.ling him to gaol for three
wilds; nail then sutTerin: the principal who hail eon.
yl wed him to escape. Ile .6,1 milled (the Honourable.
lumber roatisarJ). he w.lo!:1 not name those whom le
„weed; theft might not he the heads of the metre—
but be did think that a system hail been organiiml
fa areal upon the tr:!:114 of the' timid ; for attracting
to the support of government nom %Om disliked its
politics and abhorred its principles, lot! rvlor dreaded
all disliked still 'intro the idea of elsange or of popular
cnisamniun. Undid believe that
_means were tahen to

Sir JOHN SCIORIGH: coati not vote for the motion.
which (is we uti leratnod him) would be calling on r.-
verii we is tto commit au act of suicide. He hail 'twitted
to the statrefOit of the lion. Member, and he did *not
vien it as our iffeedieg any proof that his Majesty's go-
vornisient were to blame. or that the circuitistanees Men-
tioned could attach to them. There was no denying
that government were extremely unpopular at the pre-
sent ni 1111 l ont, and it was, he conceived, imcnnibent on
them in the present disturbed state of the public mind,
to make every inquiry into this matter to prevent further
irritation, but he believed the state of the public was
such that they would not be satisfied uitli any govern-
ment whatever.—(Hear.)—This he thought a prevalent
feeling, ani there were not wanting those who took
every means of iocreasinr, that feeling.
Mr. Ttieuesir agreed with the Hon. Member who pre-
ceded him, that in the present stole of the public feeling
• every inquiry should be made on this subject, which
would prevent an increase of irritation. He did think,
therefore, that the Noble Lord (Lord Castlereagh)
had treated the ease with a levity which it did not de-
serve. lie believed it was currently reported, tool ere-,
dile-dont of doors, that agents were employed to inflame i
the minds of the people. The very existence of such re-
ports was a reason why inquiry should be made into ,
the select before the House. Why, as it had been al-
reaily
well observed, had no reward heen offered for the
apprehension of this individual ?—The accused person
absconded, which in itself implied guilt. liras it then to ,
be said that aosteps were to be taken to discover this
person who Wise contrived to elude justice for the pre-
sent. Hut it was wrong, it seemed, for gentlemen on
his side of the house to complain of sit di conduct ; and ;
they were also to be considered in the wrong when they
complained of severity or unnecessary vigilance on other j
occasions. Whichever way they cooqilaineil, they were
suretu be in the wrong---(dear.)----Fully convinced as he'
was of the necessity of inquiring into the affair, he could'
not, however. support the motion of his Honourable
Friend ; for he agreed with the Noble Lord that at pre-1
sent it would not be proper to call a magistrate before,
the House, who might he asked to disclose matters pros-'
'ibis, erimioating himself. He would rather wait and
!we'd this parson were taken, and he hoped that no step
necessary for that pompom would be neglected. for lie
looked upon the papers in
.question to lie of as inflate, I
oratory a nature as any which the Noble Lori he lon
other occasions put into some of his green I)6E4,—(i-fear.)
—He was surprised to find the Noble Lord timellink
upon the giving of letters to one ambassadors, for the
gratification of the parties applying, when, according; to
his account, those letters ceolil not he moth I farthing.
For lie afterwards observed, that except in the rasps of
treason, murder, and one or two other crimes, foreign
goveroments would not interfere. lint hi- Mr. Tierney) •
hail beard of other eases, nut compri.ed ih those he 'Wad
just mentioned, where foreign g•oteriiiiiett,s Ind later-,
fend. 'flit! Noble Lord said that the .10ii.n Art had
never been resorted to for the purpose of obliging other I
governments. The Noble Lord was always motions to '
gaunt against such impression with respect to this Art.
lint he (Mr. Tierney) had reason to believe the Noble
Lord's memory was very treacherons on this point. lie
could titration a ease where itiiiivi•luale, as respectable
as say in Europe, had been sent from this country. not
becanee their presence here was ilaii2ero:ts to the state,
bet because it was displeasing to, another power that
they should he suffered to reside here. (Here some few
words passed between Lord Castlereagh soil Mr. l'ieruey
across the table, hot in too low a tone to he heard in the
gallery. We understood Mr. Tierney, in a reply Is. a ;
question (ruin Lord Castlereagh, to mention tine name
of one of the parties—het this we could not distiiertly
eat-h.) The fact (continued Mr. Tiernev) could be •
ii o ed beyond a doubt, and he had authority for saying I
it, that those two individuals had been sent out of the
country, for no alleged crime, but becanse it was not
pleasing to another power that they should remain here.
Lord CUTLERS t 611—(Across the table)—When?
Mr. Tianstev.—" .tbotit 2 years ago." In continua-
tion Mr. Tierney observed. that he hail a conviction of '
what he was stating, and (as WO understood hint) he
would call the attention of the (louse to it at another !
time. He only mentioned the circ toner now,
,to show
that the alien act had been used, not for mite safety tif this
government. lint for the gratification of othet powers.
He hoped his Honourable Friend would consent to with-
draw the motion fur the present, and unit to sop if the
accused party should be taken. Hut lie trusted and ex-
pextesl that every possible diligence would be aged by his
Majesty's Government for that purpose; and if it should
tr.! a out that, in consequence of what hail hese already
done, this person ,Gould filially escape, he hoped that
such steps would he taken as would enable the govern-
ment to stand clear with the conntry, which, he was
anicions they should.

Lord J. Resent said a few words, which were for
the most part inaudilde in the gallery. We understood
his Lordship to say, that it was a
.proof of the peaceable
disposition of the people that the incitements of the pla-
cards had been productive of so very little effect, and
that it should be a matter of consideration with his Ma-
jesty's government, that perhaps some of those unfor-
tunate persona who were now suffering in prison for
having been connected with illegal meetings might have
been instigated by +nine of those placards.
Mr. Hosea said be 114•1 no objection to withdraw his
motion, hat in answer to Lord Castlereagh, took occa-
sion to °blare, that no publications of such a character
i as those he had stated, had issiird from any other source.
The motion was then withdrawn.
PHOCEEDINUS AO.‘INNT TUE QUEEN.
Mr. Beaune's brought up the report of the Coin-
miner appointed to inspect the Lords Journals, which
was read, and which set forth the proceedings of that
day before the Lords.
Lord Ceterteexaon observed, that when, on the last
day of their meeting, he proposed an adjournment, his
object was on the next day of the meeting, to propose
o another adjournment toe diy on which the ilonse should
be called over. This he did under an impression that
the Bill tben before the other House of Parliament,
might ogre dawn to the House of Commons on the
present**. But as it (lid not appear that an e:grly de-
cision was likely to he made nn that Bill, he slootil.t now
in we an adjournment to a more distant day than hr at
first intended. He should therefore name the 2341 of
November, and also propelse that the Homo should be
called over that day, so as to have the fullest possible
attendance, in the event of the Bill coming down on that
day. Or, if the proceedings should still be going ou at
that time in the other House, the call of the House might
be further postponed. He moved, that the house at his
rising should adjourn to Thursday the 231 of November
next.
Sir ticroatin Noel. moved as an amendment that the
House should, at its rising, adjourn till to-moriow.
Mr. TILIOILT thought the period of adjournment
proposed by the Noble Lord much too Long. At the
same time, he could not agree with the lion. Baronet's
amendment. The trial of her Majesty had already
made a great progress, and hr did not see any neces-
sity tar putting off the next meeting of the House to
the 2:41 of next month ; for, after the Minutes had
swel'ed to above 900 pages, it was not likely the trial
could last much longer. A reasonable time ought •
certainly to he granted, in order to sec how the pro- I
re.d:nlo went on in the other bemuse; but to adjourn
so long would be, on the part of that House, an act of
lt!,:•ervienev to the Lords, and wost:.: increase the agi-
tatie3 already existed in the country. Ansi in .
case the pro.-ecolilizs of that Ilonse were to be finished ,
in an eel., and the Hill passed, he asked 'f her Majesty'
was to be kept in a state at suspense for 4 weeks longer.? ;
Bat if the Bill should be thrown out by the Lords,
he orouid ash what inconvenience could be pro-.
chino .1 be a sioort adjournment ? But great incon-
venience *maid arise from the course proposed to be
adopte
d. There was a general feeling of indignation
in the country against his Majesty's Ministers; and I
it would not do to say that this indignation would be at
an end if the Bill were lost. The Ministers stood in a
sittiatiou of great responsibility ; they hail, by their pro-
ceeding, against her Majesty, train.' with the public
feeling—they betrayed the King and insulted the Queers..
With retard to the men from whom the business ori-
ginated, their conduct must be investigated. The Milan
Commi lion must be investigated. Ile was sure that
l'onttttl proceeded from the Ministers, and was the •
art of e floyernment, for which the Ministers were
deeply responsible to the country. Besides, there was a
Sgroat deal of public business let uatinished since last
esioni, which rendered an early meeting of Parliament
neceosarv. Let not the country think that the !louse of
emotions was the only body in the country which was
indifferent to its affaits.
Lord COTLEREAn/l was ready to submit that, what-
ever might he the issue of the question before the House
of Lords, there was a variety of questions connected
with it; which moist occupy the attention of that lionise.
But the Right Hon. Bent. most agree with hut, that
whatever questions might arise out of this investigation,
they here of such high importance that the House ought
not to rater upon them without the fullest attendance. In
the motion, therefore, which he made, he uishest to com-
bine the question dos adjournment with the question for
a call of the House. Suppose the business should not be
concluded in the Lords for three weeks, and that the Bill
should pan that !loose, a fortnight most afterwards
elapse before a discussion could take place in that
House, as the call could not take place sooner. There-
fore, under all the circumstances, he thought the pro-

alarm that class of people. to make them believe that
filffe were plots against the cons: i tution of the country.
The hea u of departnwnts might not be concerned in
the employment of sack ilioicea; hut there were their
friends, their allies, their runners—thell like O'llryn,
into whose house Mr. Franklin had been traced ; apos-
tates, who. by arts of more thin c00n,,,,, ini.aniy, were
workitio out the crime of having once hell better prin-
ciples, and associated with bettor men. Ile believed
that she two letters to Fori which had &p-
-rated in the .0/orming Part, an 1 for which he wished
r 6 h all his heart a prosecution had been institute(—he
bettered that those tters hail two the production ni
that same man O'Bryen. Su,•ll were the tarn who
edited those infamous newspapers which daily Is.
salted the good feeling of the country; which to read.
was to arrive at the disgusting conviction that there
were writers black enouls, foul enough, moan enough,
to* in the villainous conspiracy which disgraced the
musty; whir+ sonata to oppress and to crush a woman,
sad that woman, too, a Queen. In spite of the sneers
of the Sable Loot opposite he would maintain, that the
Government ought to thank the lion. Member for Mon-
trose tar the motion he had made. If they were inns-
cem,let them prove it, but not by shutting up every
Hew to detection t that was not the way to satisfy the
booster the country : people Would not. by such means,
bemerinced that gir Robert Baker, and Mr. Fr.inldin,
sad the Hume Office, were entirely unconnected with
est& ether. For himself, the Hossourable 314ouber do-
dared, that the House would not do its duty unless it
probed the question to the bottom, and insisted upon
hearing why the accused was not, as lie ought to have
been, In custody.
Mr. Cure thought that the circunistances of the
case had not been fully understood by the lion. Mem-
ber who had just sat down. It was in th.- course
of business, for some one of the Magistrates to visit
the Home-office on the Monday in ea.:ll week and.
in the execution of that duty, Sir It .pert Baker had
called on the day in question. The conversation turn-
ing upon the case of the boy who hail been appro.
hended foe distributing the placards, had naturally led
to the introduction of Mr. Franklin's huainess. Short-
ly after Mr. Minshull hail coins in to apply for the
means of stopping the out ports, as to which appli-
cation toe (Mr. Clire) hail spoken doubtfully, and had
expressed his opinion that such a means e, except in
tams of treason or felony, was improper. The Hoy.
Member continued to state that Mr. Minshull had
then departed, and that to a similar application from
Mr. Pearson a similar answer had been returned ; and
concluded by avowing that he had heard of Mr.
Irllryen as the author of a political pamphlet some
years back; but that to the naine of Mr. Franklin he
was altogether a stranger.
Mr. UCIINIT, in supporting the motion, begged
to observe upon some words which had fallen
from the Noble Lord on the opposite bench. It
was to the recommendation to foreign governments,
with which that Noble Lord had supplied Mr.
Pearsonthat be alluded. seeing that the case against
Franklin was only a publication of seditious pla-
cards, he thonght that a system among the go-
vernments of Europe of playing into rash other's
Lodi, when parti oder i.ollyilnals became obnoxious
to any one of them, formed a convenient engine for
trrinny and mipression. Declaration after declaration
had boon heard against the alien act—declarations,
indeed, to which he had not been a party ; but he
thoisght it a more dangerous exercise of power for one
government to arrest the subjects of another merely
because they stcod in political opposition to the rnling
powers in weir own country ; and he held the esta-
blishment or abandonment of sorb a principle to he
an ok,ect of much grimier general importance than the
escape or caption of the individual in question.
Lord Casrtorciraon denied that the alien act had
ever been employed in this comitry for such purposes
as those to whirli the Honourable &lowlier who spoke
hat had ads erted. There was not a power with whom
we were in alliance, t,, whom it had nut been dis-
tinctly stated, that whatever assistance might upon
such occlsions, he afforded to England, that assistance
cont.! not he reciprocated.
Mr. (it VP., while he declined giving his support to
the motion, was fully sensible of the mischief that
arose from the distribution of intlammatory and sedi-
tious hand bills. Placards inciting the people to arts
of hilence were posted in every street; and he
thourbt that the Home-oilicewould display a laudable
avtirity in employing persons to take them down.
Mr. licnsrat. contended that the House on the pro-
per place for the investigation of the case. The
Conn of King'.-Bench, if thither the affair were car-
ried, would hare nothing to do with ti.e conduct of
the sub-agents of government ; that cunt would try
the ,Tootle 11,40%41km—him the man committed treason.
or ha* he not ? .

Lord CASTLEHE 1011. in explanation stated, that foreign
governments were nut bound by any agreement to assist
in the arrest of subjects of this country, except in the
eases mentioned ; hut he stated that they had in many
instances given that assistanre, when they were not bound
so to do. The ease of the indiridnal alluded to was •anly
a misdemeanour, and they might if they pleased assist
even in that.
Mr. p'eso's observed, that it was the practice of the
Home Department to offer rewards in cases of
similar to the one charged in this instance. They had
offered a reward for the apprehension of the author of
the Ulasgow placard ; but then it shoal(' be recollected,
that that was in times of known existing treason.
Mr. &macre spoke in vindication of the practice of
(tenement in this and similar eases, and of the charac-
ter of Sir Robert Baker generally.
Mr. BROUGHAM agreed in the propriety of suspending
the present motion until the oralmary means were lint
tried and found to be inefficient. Although there might
be a prints firrie case, and altliongla the Ilam,e had a
power in itself to call a Magistrate to its bar, it dial not
follow that it was bound to exercise such high (inactions
entil it should appear whether the ordinary means had
failed. If there was any charge in this case against Mi-
nisters, it went no less than to an impeachment ; and as
to Sir It. Baker, his conduct was seri sispicious. A
Magistrate in the discharge of his duty, might let a man
off without taking any hail, and do ill from a were error
in judgment, without being subject to the imputation of
acting from corrupt motives: hat when Sir K. Baker let
this man he dial so in the very act of taking bail for
his appearance. The circumstance, however, which par-
ticularly called for explanation, was that of no auempt
having been made to apprehend this man, after a reprc-
sentati 111 l hail been made to Lord Sidanouth. No pro-
clamation offering a reward was issued ; the ordinary
means were tried to apprehend time WAR, and he Ind,*
scondeil.
Mr. Beriterr, in explanation sal.), the Eing's prert,
had scarcely ever been thus used in -- • of ais4s,.

posed adjournment would be the most etitivenieht.
Mr. Tintxxv, in explanation, observed, that if the
adjmrnmeet was put off so long., a very great incon-
venience would arise. If it was the wish of the Noble
Lord to ailjonrn the business till after Christmas, let
him say so at once; but he was sure, that if the next
day of nteeting were put off to so distant a time, it
would keep all the Members of the House, who were
now in town, in a state of suspense.
Sir W. na CHEISMONY could not conceive why the
Noble Lord fixed on so distant a day, unless it was
from a notion that the Bill now before the Lords was
not likely ever to conic before that House.
Mr. CIIitTIT asked if the Members of that House,
who were supposed to 1w the guardians of the people's
rights were to be the only persons in the country who
were tube insensible to the villainy of the Bill of Pains
and Penalties. When the !louse lasiontt, a motion
was made for an Address to the Nine., to prorogue the
Parliament, in order to get rid of that Bill. But the
motion was nut made now, for at that time it was tl.e
trial of the Queen which was going forwar.l ; but
within the last two days, every thing was reversed,
and it became a trial for a tonsil' .:y on the part of
the llovernment.--(Hear! bear he Right Hon.
Hentlemau opposite to him might smile, but Na:) he
attended for the last two days in the House of Lords,
and if he had, did he hear any thing there to make
him sniile. At all events, it was possible he wig''t
have no cause to smile before this business was conclud-
ed. The infamy of the Bill was felt by almost all persons.
'and he wonld not be a party of it. So far as the bill
bad gone, and considering the evidence adduced In
support of it, it was impossible to look at it without
contempt.- 'Hear, hear.)—lt chav her sjesty

an indiriclital; and that the i ndivid ual must be degrade
Throughout the whole catalogue of persons who gave
evidence against her Majesty, the fastidious Court
could find only one human being eho agreed with it
on the subject of morality. The master of the vessel
withdrew his nephew from the deck of the ship, lest
he should be contaminated by the scenes of impurity,
which he said were practised there ; and this was the
case on which the House was now called on to panse
for five weeks. There were many objections against
such a Bill coming before that House. They had no
power to examine witnesses on oath ; and, besides,
there was a strong suspicion of that House bring seta--
Jett to corrupt influence. He therefore never would
consent to put the Queen of England on her trial be-
fore sneh an assembly.
Mr. 'floosies', in explanation, said, that his firm de-
termination as e-pressed by him at several times, was
to keep down his opinions until the proper time arrived.
At the same time be implored of the House not is inn
gine because that he refrained from giving any opinion
i at present upon the merits, that therefore he was not as
warm an enemy as 1111 V man in the country to the mode
of proceeding pursued in the other House.
Mr. ScanLevr declared himself to he be one who
never would, upon any public ground yet stated, conssnt
ito pass a Bill of Pains and Penaltirs.-Allear.) He did
' not mean to imply any improper motives to the promo-
ters or authors of this measure, but if it was Litchi iu-
(option and wish to hring this country, and the most re-
-1 vered parts of its institutions into 11isgrare and esti-
! tempt, they could not have selected means more suitable •
and effectual for their purposes. He utterly protested
against raising technical objections to the admission of
;evidence of such magnitude as that proposed to he ad-
diced by the Counsel for the Queen, and to him it was
a matter of great surprise that the noose of I,ords,
should for an instant tolerate these objectie Hs it a C?.e
wherein they had an undoubted right to pu: those quer,-
tions without the consent of any Counsel.
Mr. Coceren.tv drf-nited the propriety of the roots+
which had beeu pursued by the Ministers with respect
to the Queen. His conviction was that the tide of po-
pular feeling was turning in the opposite iiirectionoi—
(Laugli•er on the Opposition Benches.)--An I lie nes
firmly persuaded, that whatever was the result, the
people would arknowlecige that the iiiguiry oas un-
aroidah!e, and that this trial, if trial it most he raced,
had been pursued in a spirit and temper which promised
the fullest anti fairest access to justice.
Mr. Catcaarr said, that fur his part, whether the po-
pular tipiniou was with him or against him, he should
feel it his duty to take that course which, as an hones:
man, hv sh•oild recommend to that House ; but were he
to judge of the direction of the popular feelin,z, he cer,
tainly should say, that it accompanied that side of the
question which lie had twee attempting to advocate.—
Bait whatever the popular feeling might he, the right '
feeling WAS. that when a woman was abandoned—when
she was cast upon the world—and when even an implied
permission was granted to her--that uothing she should
do would be made the subject of inquiry.—((Nu, ni-7
and hear !) —He would say, that there was an understand-
* to that effect—the right feeling was, that a woman
*under such circumstances, claimed the protection of every
bum one mind against the attacks of enemies. Ile wou.ll
abstain from giving any opinion upon the evidence—
s/or did he deem it necessary to form any opinion upon it,
Iseciiise whether the Queen was innocent or guilty, it
would wake nu alteration in his sentiments with respect
to the tneasur•criotv pending in the other House. He
was persuaded, that the measures never would have been
proposed bet for an apprehension !fiat a refusal to in-
troestre it would have been attended with, the loss of
Mike. It originated in the ambition of one man to be-
come a Chancellor, and in the desire of another man to
retain his situation as Chancellor.—(Hear, hear.) He
believed that the Vice-Chancellor wanted to get the si-
tuation of Chatteellor, and that the Chancellor (who had
not the boldness to make a sacrifice fur the sake o
justice) wished to keep his einolunien.s, out of a very
natural anxiety, perhaps, to complete his million.
—(A laugh.)—tie (Mr. C.) had the greatest regard fa •
that gentleman who was his nearest neighbour.—
(Much laughing.)—He was as excellent a sporting
country gentleman as one could wish to have ne.hr him,
hut, as a politician, his conduct and advice inflicted great
injnries on this country. The Ministers, he heliered,
hail been taken in upon this business. Some unlucky
member of the administration, from a firm persuasion
that the Queen would have never come to this country,
gave an undertaking that, in case . she (lid come,
the measure should i.e introduced. Ifenwould ask the
Subic Lord, was not this the fact ? lie did not expect,
indeed. to extract an information from his Lordship;
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but if smiling was to he construed into assent, certai:t:y
the Noble Lord did not deny the statement. He coo.
&tiled by expressing his determination to use all the
wrens in his power to keep the lkll out of that House.
The CHANCZLLOR of the I:aces:tarifa wished to call
the attention of the House to the real question below
them. Hr matle some observations or the propriety vet
the House adopting the resolution of his Noble Friend.
as most convenient in every respect ; and with respect to
what he conceived to he an attack on the personal cha-
racter of It Noble and Learned Lord then absero, he
was sure the House would agree with him, that the j.l.li-
ciAl conduct of that Learned Jedge was too well knowa
to demand one word of defence.
Mr. CALCIIIPT. in explanation, denied having slid
any thing of this conscience of the Loral Chancellor. tie
was a good Judge to the back-bone. It iris only against
him, as a political character, that li;s (Mr. ani.
wadvei sinus were directed.
Lord FoLusroxic concurred in every remark of h:s
Honourable Friend (Mr. Calcraf:), in opposition I.:*
the Bill of rains and Penalties. He animadverted
at some ler,..rtli on the unjust treatment of the (Intro.
With reference to the recent proceeding io the /louse
of Loris, he thought it necessary to remi,:it
House of the p4ledge given by the Noble ii
posits, shot if this were a conspiracy he
exert ilinsitsll to probe it to the bottom. Ile I
w Irn the proper tint.. arrived, the ease of inflictiti44a:
fir.tpimishosent due to their wantonly and unnecessarily
p acing in jeopardy the whole country, would fall ioto
.b e and competent hands. If the call of the Huss
I wail not by enforced, in case the fill should not pass
he House of Loris, his thought that the Hons.t would
nut do its duty nides• it took upon ;esrlf to enforce the
call; and he was sure four-lifths of those who were at
the other side of the door wools' agree with him.
WILLIISLET POLS. endeavoured to justify the
coarse which had been pursued by his Majesry's
Errs, and condemned as inflitmerstory, all prposatoc.
di4ellssion ne • .the merits of the r-- He biro...vise
'Lord

rdive - -- ____ im cases __ iged .NI :lir s 4,
~.,.„,,,ou "pmt. ,/,...
demeanour.
. 1 with an adalteroas intercourse, and after a bast of ; ink occasion to defend the charactrtift:the , Chas-
Mr. C. CALVCRT declared that Sir K. Raker was Inca-. I perjured witnesses were brought forward in support of ceLor, and said, th.it if he realty answered tile iiesceli
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'gable ordain, a corrupt act.
I that •sharp., the only.point on which the prosecutors, boo of the ifellearable Magoaer oPlAslee (AT. Colehlft)
Sir K. WiLsom asked, whether in ease of Franklki
&miaow, to ' Cenid re 1, was the miserable acensaLion of sleeping he was a eels oath for the moiety of reastesuene •
being taken, the tiuverinnesit would Oyu Mr. flonnocan said, teat al 4.64_4.'11 hu°4ll4.h.ar.
the law officers of the Crown to prosecute 'pip, attiJ hat 10 a the desk of the polaere. a, So help tne God ! 144,t Hue. ....n.
the expenses of the prosecution, which apt ht nut tlitfit/li (sai'l Mt. (7)4 believe her Majesty to be innocent elf i gnaintall7•wit""anni'Lti nall...t"re SI3
4 I,t'emaw ern§ kad'jnst It...res.". Ike Amy', when be de-
en private irmlivitla4l‘. Would the Noble Lord tar! ins all the rhar4es, and in the whole of the fialian teset-1 elescivuutpumrtillable to comprefietol Low a very bail
as esplatiationon this point? ' - ' ••
.: neony'neCond stutte allegation is ;rag ;"—(bear, hear: 1 polities) shaititteeltoalci contisi'lilth AI very riel.Tlent
feed th'irrialßßA" said, hi' W" /NMI/re/11'414 " 411- Out then it ,„wits ,stid, that the public Morals mist MI prifste sa' Orreetth rharaetess-df tiled SWAM/art,
ewer the potion of the Italleetlestmshl .' Sliettilli4ras 1
sere ii* 2101 his Friead al the htteXtbi thp'aimmi Pers. .0446E4 tear,
thstieforlitatitlionseoart—(contieualebo ',1100111401e arNe44'66 'TRW ilikataalall'llt *swigs_ &UV
rsite qualities, saniewlest. juteitsibir. 4k ,4naaamia.
' meat, world give every necessary facility fur gageysAll of 'Par I"!*4)7—atallifi net *3161, as elaiulili sk of the Noble Lord opposite, had be given orders
kilt the proercution. 1 profligacy, to be held out to the country hi so exalted
that no more passports should be given to the witnesses