The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-04-11 00:00:00

TIE STATESMAN.

isird termed Marshal :viurat. The expenres the minutest investigation. The 00001. he had re-
„i ens! Cathcart had been enormous, both in his ceived was less than he ought to have been paid, and
issl diplomatic ca;steity. From the Array had he not had that sum advanced to him, he would
i.or.i„,senaries, in the course of 1814, he received have lost by the service two or three thousand
and from the Civil List, as AmbassaiLtr, pounds of his own private property. In the case of
..ID In the last three quarters, the charge cos Captain Usher, who, for conveying Botaiparte to
account was 1-2,4011.; so that in the Elba, was said to have been effete(' so small a sum,
ni• 3 year and three quarters he had received that he had not thought proper to accept of it, the
v tahan. of the poblic money. Lord Stewart proceedings of the Admiralty had been regulated by
sod from the Army Eatraordinaries in the the scale of which he had spoken. That scale did
s! 4, le,:1171. amid from the Civil List, 10,7.261. got provide for a case like that which had occurred
; ! l's last three quarters a sum that made (he did not expect for this it would be censured for
,!,„ie ch ire no less than :27,0001. The lion. improvidence), but by that it was settled, that
saer professed the highest respect for his Lord- for the conveyance of a Crowned Head, where
sad regimed that his name appeared in these the voyage was performed within a week one
Details. Ire also required further in- hundred pounds should be paid to the Captain. The
Vol; ,lie:, on o lilt account 70001. had been given to title of Bonaparte having been recognized in the'f reaty
;let tar or Hesse. He was surprised not to find of Fonthinbleau, Captain Usher had been directed to
is! elate of Wellington in any of the papers sup- receive him as a Crowned Head. He (Captain Usher)
had, is hen he came home, been directed to make
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that next to what charge he thought proper, but had declined
Is, wish as much as possible to reduce the expences making any, and under such circumstances the Ad-
d the cauntry, was his aesiety to afford every ex- miraliy could do no more than give directions for him
rs,„ition that could be given. In order to be the to be letiunierated according to the scale of regule-
,,,„„., concise, he should not travel out of his way to lions whisli had been adopted. IVilh respect to a
ally of the political topics to which the Hon. charge is Welt had been preferred against the Admiral-
Gsseeman had endeavoured to provoke him. In ty for not suffering sailors who had returned from a
these accounts, he recommended that Hon. long voyage to have sufficient time on shore to spend
)issiber should look at them fairly, and not for the their money, he admitted, that in some instances this
• of a temporary triumph, by adding year to might have occurred • but the established role was,
rear, ealher together an enormous sum that might ; when a ship returned from three years service to pay
;:orm those who were not acquainted with the expo- the men a third of the money due to them, and allow
IVith respect first, to Lord Aberdeen, the ; them from a fortnight to a month's leave of absence
pm annexed to his name had been paid to be em- to see their friends. This practice which it was
ps,,ed in seconding a favourable feeling in the Low feared would promote desertion, he was happy to
cssirries, but es only 3 or 40001. of it were ac- say, had produced a contrary effect. It had greatly
lines expended, the remainder was paid into the ' tended to prevent that enormous desertion which was
(s,,elissariat of Lord Li nedoch's force.—The formerly common. The men almost always returned
eseool. drawn by Lord William Bentitick had been ; when their leave of absence expired, to claim the re-
s„,:soyed in raising the levies which were engaged mainder of their money, and after they came back,
ltsly. The lion. Member had raised a ghost of they were generally allowed someday' to be onshore ,
nee:,, when lie spoke of the subsidy to the Elector before they sailed again.
o Hose, which, in truth, was the payment of an Mr. WHITBREAD thought the scale on which
old debt. The Duke of Wellington's name was not the officers were paid for trantporting persons of
;„ Ile. accounts, because his charge came under the I. rank rather too low than too high. The case of
Lict. With regard to the money paid to Lord . Captain Usher was one of peculiar hardship. He
cosort and Lord Stewart, the Hon. Member had not had the least information beforehand of the
ssouSl recollect that there was to be deducted from charge to be entrusted to him; but while cruising in
it tde six of 9.5 per cent. and the immense toss of the Mediterranean was called on to convey Bonaparte
Nearly 40 per cent. by the exchanges. Upon the ex. and his suite, which he performed to the satisfnc-
rises of hi, Noble Relation, his Lordship was pro- tion of Napoleon and all the Commissioners who
edril ith accounts that proved that only 28901. had I accompanied him. When Bonaparte landed at Elba,
tern charged on the personal account, the rest being he sent to the Captain's Steward to pay all the ex-
ist rariaus necessary expellees of the important mis- pences incurred by Captain Usher on his account,
lle was himself a witness of the enormous . but that officer politely declined, and sent on shore
sure that it was necessary for Ambassadors to pay 1, ell the stores he bad, Bonaparte being at the time
for their table and establishment abroad. I very destitute of many articles. When, on his re-
Lord I'ROBY maintained, from the experience of turn to England, he applied to the Admiralty for a
10 wars seta ire, that the Commissariat Department payment of his expences, he was answered, that it
vis, conducted under a system of abominable pro- was supposed Bonaparte and his suite had paid their
fesees. As an instance, he mentioned that in own expences. Captain Usher was indignant at this
the usual price for the hire of a mole was half answer, which seemed to convey an imputation on
a sells,' per day, the muleteer providing for himself his veracity, and wished to know on what authority
asLI ;.Is beast, but the Commissariat was charged such a statement had been made ? and it turned out
sult:e the sum, and besides had to maintain the ' to have rested on a memorandum of the Ilan. G.
ettee awl the driver. [Hear hear tleutan opposite(Mr. Croker), which seemed to have
Ale GORDON remarked on Inc extraordinary been made without any autherity whatever. He was
diriereace in amount of the charges on the transport ; then desired to make out his account.;. This the
re remit's' of dist on the face of the Estimates, gallant officer said he could not do—as indeed it was
en I „;shed to know whether tits re was any cstab- impossible he should. He was then referred, and it
Lard seherne, according to which those charges were , was there seen that he was entitled to 1001. which he
; caste. had been paid to Admiral Net. eantle, ! rejected as quite inadequate. lie trusted a fair re-
tie entestinithig persons of distincsioa in the Aesiatic, • muneratiou would be made to Captain Usher, for
see tie suns of 020!. w.is mentioned as the charge :or , the expences incurred. If a larger sum were offered
row:, %in,'e Marshal Blucher and other plovers merely' ; than he had expended, he doubted not it would be
fees Dover to (Aide. On the other baud, sosniall I itaiirtmatly_rejected.

stun, he understood, •.av e.ined to Captain [...slier
for the expences of ctiovoyiut; Bonaparte to Et,a,
tl,st refusce. it. T;ie lit•nouralile Gentle-
r:au ulso wis'..ed for an rxpl:inat:oil of the sum of
Itt:".. stated to be paid the captors of Dematai

r. CHOKER explained.
Mr. LUSH NGTON snid, the snm Captain Usher
would be entitled to receive for Napoleon and his
soil.. would have been 2001.
Mr. !TREAD observed, there were forty-

sad h;sse:vil4o, f.ar slaves delivered over to the use of
C.,:crimicilt. Also, a sum paid to Colouel
for extroordioary services. This last sum, h;
the sum voted to Lord Burghersh, for cx-
t services, which were of a political tia-
I.;!r. carat., he thought improperly utoler the head of
Extiaor.l.ioaties., As to the expellees of our

nine prr.ons in the suite of Napoleon.
Mr. CROIiER said, Officers high in rank had
submitted to a minute investigation of their accounts
ii cir.,ilar case 4.
Mr. BARHAM said. the gallant Captain had felt
hurt at having hi word doubted, and at being called
on to make out a bill.

A.l,;n.sulois st Vien..a, he thought these persons

After a few words from Mr. CROK ER and Sir 11.

5' n',!ti be enabled to iu a manner suitable to Ilieir

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without. injury to their private fortunes,
kit i; remained to he explained w by we had at the
Cl'"Ares9 four or five Anwhassndors, instead of one.
be said, th.ft they were Ambassadors to the
C.,urts :►:►oce Sovereign; were at the Congress
r
Latin. .3, but this supposition► was contradicted by
Co- fief that their had all signed the Declarritints of
1:•...11::us of CA. 33th of Alarcli, a hieh, but as Nli.

Lord CASTLER EAGH said, that the only wish
could he that Captain Usher should have a proper
reimbursement of his expellees. HP way most desi.
rous that such a reimbursement should be made ;
but it would be a great assistance to the judgment of
the Gosernmentif Cotaiu Usher would state in the,
most general way the sum which he supposed him,elf
to have expended.

- ors at the Cortgosi. they could not have signed.
Lod CAS-ELEM.:A(III said, the Ambassadors
asq tublod itt Vienna, the country had a claim
let .P.y sets ice: they cot.;;I perform. Lord Cathcart
"' Amba,wnlor to Itussi.i, Lord Aberdeen to
-\.usHa, Lord ‘Veiltilgtota to the Congress, and Lord
t:%o;a:ty (114%:,,,, performed
.the high mission on
1411;e:; 1.. ',mt out with great honour to himself
MI 44%1 t 1 to the liubltc ser% ice) was tl:e only
=l;'°,l4.e-er who wit!. oot there in the regu:ardis-

Mr. WHITBREAD felt satisfied, since the ques-
tion had been put in a point of view agreeable to
Captain Usher's feelings, that no further difficulty
would he found.
; Mr. %V. SMITE! made some observations on the
inns charged for the transport of specie. Ile ob.
served that 20001. w•ss paid to Captain Packer for
transport of specie to Passages. The payment of
uch a large sum would give rise to favouritism in
the choice of the person to undertake the task.

i'• ..;•• of ;:is dufv. lie could assure the (ion. Gen- - Mr. CROKER: vindicated the grant of a certain
1." 1,:, ti::lt ilit'lc tad not been one too many there, -cum to Naval Officers for the convey ance of public
"i''e he (I.,)rd Castlereagh) was at Vienna. Their oricy, in consequence of the risks they incurred
rt'smre had alf.rded him
trt
Ilegod.o c
j„1,5 of the ~,,gresi were going on, and had roof of this loss the Honourable Gentleman quoted
b.<-4, taund of tm.ch importance in the discussions the case of Captain Owen, who some time since lost
which had taken place on t:te numerous topics which erot only his freight, but a considerable portion of
nere I!:ere to lie taken into consider:Pion. this private property, to make good some public mo-
Mr. CIIOKER, in answer to the question respect- hey which he was employed to convey and happened
jag ti:e sums pa.d to :rival Wicers in the instances '_to lose.
rsaich had bee:, referred :0, said t!t,:se matters were' Mr. W. SMITH could not conceive the principle
"%o w
hooll by a scale hich it had been thought wise :,..4tipon which a Naval Officer should be remunerated
lo atoin. in Isl 2, which bad heel, printed, and which fitt the public expence, for doing that which as a ser-
a''' iii the hands of every naval Officer. In this !pant of the public he was obliged ; and as to the
'''ale, in one column, the regulations were set forth, !idea suggested by the Hon. Gentleman, he thought
ili,v.iag the remuneration to be made to the Otlicer,4tAagtg.ktflockery to suppose that Naval Officers,
lrcooling to the length of the voyage, and in the i could be rendered responsible for the enormous sums
"'her the slim to be paid on account of the rank of sometimes committed to their care.
cite party to be conveyed. This scale, if any thing, I Mr. BARING observed, that it was a novel prac-
lie was itickned to think was fixed at too los a rate, tice to allow our naval officers to charge such com-
bat it war under: trod the Officers were to have no mission as they thought proper for the conveyance of
tirrat; all that uas to be secured to them was, that the money of merchants from foreign ports, no such
''Y L•hould not be ruined. Front looking at this. practiie having prevailed during the former Ameri-
'erY Commander so employed could tell as well can war. The Ifnn. Gentleman animadverted upon
'`hut he was to receive, as the Board of Admiralty several items in the accounts on the table, with re-
iod, 1)y whom it was to he paid. The sun paid to gard to our colonial expenditure, In which profusion
;•-.l(lutital Fremantle had not been paid tie af;er appeared to run riot, especially in the Commissariat.

This profusion he illustrated by referring to the case
of the Cape of Good Hope, in which the allowance
to Mr. Hill, of the Commissariat, for the current
I year, was 173,0001. although for the last year it wits
only 69,0001. and for the preceding year 43,0001. :
also to the cases of Ceylon, Goree, Sierra Leone, and
the Leeward Islands. The allowance to Mr. Baker,
for Jamaica, for the present year, was 5t)0,0001. al-
though for the last year it was only 150,0001. and
for the preceding year 58,0001. These cases he
thought sufficient to show the necessity of enquiry by
a Committee above stairs; and concluded by observ—'
ing, that if our colonial expenses should be thus
enormous, it would be quite impossible for the coun-
t try to supportHINGTON the system.
Mr. LUS accounted for the excess
stated by the lion. Member, by stating that it arose
out of the discharge of debts incurred iu former years.
Mr. GOULBURN followed on the same side.
Mr. BENNETT remarked upon the necessity of
investigating the grants to Sir B. Kennedy and Sir
J. Duff.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and '
Mr. GOULBURN explained.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY noticed the sum of nearly
80001. charged for the creation of the late batch of
Peers (comprising so many gallant officers), and
among others of 1,5001. for the advancement of Lord
Wellington to the title of Duke, together with 1401.'
for the introduction of his Grace to the House of
Peers. Upon what ground such a sum should be
charged to the public, or the fees of such creation
should be excessive, he confessed himself quite unable
to account.