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s Government could effect
the young.. T

.s.s9ciety,

nd the laity

Ireland, sought to

and so to
lurid reli-

truction. (Hear.) Au in
d, supported by Governor

been fount

h was 1.

principle diametrically opt:

the Church of Christ had been, and ever would be, built;
and the scriptures, though given for the instruction of all,
had been mutilated as if there were not to be found in them
those truths by which it pleased God, through the holy spirit,
(Hear.) It had been

to make mea wis

by the chair

limn that there were two parties, two
eland—the one the primitive reformed
ler claiming (but most falsely) to be the

.d to have a ready test
ese two great bodies. to

see which was the church of Christ and
uire whic

it was that held

ich refused them, a
m good. Which, hi

ging that they
tsked, was the

)f Christ ?

C was tt

Is that which published the

it Word set forth as the Saviour of
The church of Ireland, which the
rly described as a primitive church,

century down to the year

ptural education
throughout Ireland, so that iu the schools connected with the
various religious societies there were to be found 560,000
children, 400,000 of whom were children of Roman Catholic

parents, 33,003 out of those 400,000 being wholly under Ro-
man Catholic teaching, the rest being under the teaching of
persons belonging to the church. Just when the various in-
stitutions in Ireland were acquiring strength, when they
were extending largely through the land the blessing of reli-
gious instruction, when success was following in their steps,
when the people of Ireland were anxious for religious instruc-
-both Romanists and others—then government listen-
)f the Roman Catholic population,
but to the demands of their

ed, not to t

atisfied

ecclesiastical rulers, and suddenly withdr(
that had previously been afforded for the purpose of support-
ing the religious societies which supplied the people with
scriptural education, and substituted in their place " the Na-
tional Board of Education." In a letter to the Duke of
Leinster, government distinctly stated, that the principle of
the Roman Catholic Church being so much at variance with
the principle of the societies affording scriptural education,
that the Bible was not to be used in instruction at all. See
what a painful position they were placed in in Ireland ;
aid suddenly withdrawn just at the time when success was
attending their efforts, and at a time when the Church in
Ireland was grievously harrassed by what had been well
termed " the anti-tithe war," when clergy were robbed of
their incomes. Just when everything was dark and lowering
upon the church, that moment was seized upon to afford
countenance to a principle, as regarded education, directly at
variance with what had been previously acted upon—to which,
indeed, the Church of Christ must always adhere—namely,
that the Scriptures are the birthright of all, and should be
used in the education of all, if they are to be brought to the
knowledge of that truth which, when blessed of God, teaches
the way of salvation. (Hear.) In this position things stood
for a short time ; but after the lapse of two or three years,
all the various Diocesan Societies combined into one,
out of which had arisen the Church Education Society
for Ireland, the cause of which he was pleading. It was
under the guidance of his grace the primate of Ireland, most
of the bishops were patrons of it, and the clergy of the church

tivelv co-,

carrying into

s which the institution had before it. One
)een to improve the character of the in:

d to secular educ

alsely. reported of them ; they

'ere not op-

jven to that ed

It.ion by con-

vith God's most holy word. (Hear.) KnoWledge
s neither good nor evil; it was the application of

1 it too

which made it either
re, be directed into right chan-
ssitig, and this could only be

done by associating with it the truths of the gospel. This
proposition was expanded•to considerable length by the rev.
gentlemen, who, in support of it, quoted from Mr. Wyse,

for which he ar

the same
e simple

education in God's
d that were re-

'action in them,

cause the members of the: present government, as well as of
the late government, are individually opposed to the princi-
ple of scriptural education. You have heard that this is one
- In vain you expect anything to be done
the Duke of Wellington, and others
opposed to it. Now, I confess I

I argu mei

y the state, becau
hat might be name

2on, or an.

_ _ .
:sent government, is opposed to the priu-
education. 1 believe that they doubt its

policy under the present circumstances; I believe they fear
. authority would raise such opposition
71 both countries, as would peril their
.he country, which is connected with
their policy ; for if they lost their places, those places must
be occupied by men more opposed to the good of the couu-
try. They do fear, therefore, that scriptural instruction is
not one of those benefits which ought to be forced by a go-
vernment upon an unwilling people. They wholly approve
of our voluntary efforts, as members of the church, to
give scriptural instruction to the people, and of our
appeals to your voluntary benevolence to assist us in
so doing ; but when they come to legislate upon the
point, and to appropriate funds collected from persons
of all denominations, they hesitate about the propriety
of applying those funds in a matter where conscience is in-
volved in a way that men of those denominations disapprove
of. If I do not greatly mistake, this is the reason that they
do not assist us ; not that they are opposed to Scriptural
education: this is the reason that they hesitate to give funds
for what we wish to have in Ireland. If it can be shown that
the people are not unwilling, if it can be shown to them that
the Roman Catholic population are willing to have religious
•.,ral instruction—this ground of objection
They would then see that

that to enforce it with
among the liberal
places, and Us

instruction, Script
would vanish from their mind

an educational grant is fora willing not for an unwilliitass
; and I think, therefore, that the evidence adduced to-day
by Dr. O'Sullivan in this meeting is quite to the put pose,
and highly calculated to remove the honest though mistaken
objection in the minds of those who hold it, that is entertained
by men in power against a grant for Scriptual education in
Ireland. I think it is highly calculated to touch the very
turning point in their minds, and calculated to show them
that instead of fairly and candidly meeting an unwilling po-'
pulation, and refraining from forcing upon them what they
would unwillingly receive, that population is not unwilling,
but only the priests are unwilling; the government will have
to decide, not between two large bodies of the population,
one desirous of and the other rejecting Scriptural education,
but between the mass of the population of all denominations
desiring the Bible and the hierarchy of Rome. If this be the
ground of their objection, I cannot but anticipate a different
decision from that which they would come to if the evidence
presented to them a still reluctant population. For, sir,
Surely I am right when I say that government, while they
profess personally, and entertain personally a high regard for
Scriptural educaticn, hestitate publicly, hesitate as a govern-
ment to enforce what might seem to be an interference with
the religious scruples and the conscience of any section of the
people, they entertain a notion that it is not lawful for them
as governors to carry out those sentiments which they enter-
tain as individuals, because, although they may properly en-
tertain them as individuals, and act upon them in their indi-
vidual capacity, they do not thereby injure anybody else, but if
they act upon them in a public capacity they are interfering
with the conscientious scruples of other men. It is this that
Causes the difficulty, and not that they are opposed to the
principle of scriptural education. (Hear.) If they were op-
posed to the principle, we would argue the principle with
them ; but if they are, then the evidence is exactly in point
and in season, and I hope it will be exceedingly useful.
There was one point to which allusion was made at the con-
clusion of my reverend brother's (Dr. O'Sullivan's) speech
which induces serious reflection indeed—it is the threatened
division among ourselves with regard to what ought now to
he done, and the intimation he gave you, that there are some
men from whom better things might be expected who are
willing now to compromise the matter, and to accept monies
from the state for secular education only, leaving all parties
to fill up at their pleasure the religious part of the instruction
to be given. There is one argument by which this has been
supported, which I think it very desirable to examine for a
few moments, for it is very plausible, and addresses itself
with considerable power to certain classes of minds only fond
of general instetiction, and fond of what is called natural re-
ligion. It is argued that we have two books from God, na-
ture and the scriptures, and, coming from the same source,
they must substantially teach the same lessons.. This is laid
down as a principle. It is greatly enlarged upon by writers
on natural religion, endeavouring to demonstrate from
nature the glorious truths we have stated in the bible—
the goodness, kindness, and love of God. When they have
satisfied their people that these two books are parallel, and,
coming from the same source, teach the same lessons, they
then advance a step. If, then, these two books teach the
same lessons, and we find persons of all denominations
can join in reading the book of nature without difficulty,
,but as soon as they turn to the Scriptures they split off with
a thousand parts, is it not better to confine their attention
to that book which they can read with harmony, and with-
draw that other book which causes so much disunion among
them? This is the ground of the argument taken up in de-
fence of the secular general instruction without the Bible.
What is the answer to it? I think the answer to it is that
these books are not parallel—that nature is a fallen blotted
book with a curse upon it for man's sin, bringing forth briars
• and thorns, not a part of the original creation, which was
very good, but a part of the curse incurred by man's trans-
gressions, exhibiting also storms, and tempests, and huricanes,
- and volcanoes—all declaring that a great disaster has befallen
it, and if honestly and adequately examined to the con-
clusions which these philosophers appear to deduce, they
know before hand the conclusion they want ; they select for
their examination the points which suit them as premises ;
they wilfully omit those points equally in the book of nature
which `would not suit them, and by a partial selection of
premises they arrive at conclusions identical with Scriptural
truths. But if they look at the book of nature fairly ; if
they take in all its objects, not a selection ; if they take in
the tempest as well as the serenity of the summer evening ;
if they take in not only the design of benevolence as exhibited
in love throughout creation, but the apparent design of evil
exhibited in death throughout creation ; it they take in not only
the proof of goodness in giving life and in giving enjoyment
of life, but the apparent proof of malice in inflicting pain,
sickness, sorrow, and, in every instance, death ; if they ex-
patiate not only upon that form of God's workmanship, so
exquisite in form and figure, so beautiful, so admirable,
abounding in health and strength, beaming with life and
beauty ; but if they also take the fact, that in every single
instance these-forms become a mass of disgusting corruption.
If they read nature honestly and adequately, it will not teach
what the Bible teaches. It will not teach that God loved
this fallen world. The book of natu"e is a fallen book ; the
Scripture is an unfallen book, given for the instruction of
natural man—given for the rectifying of the disorder that
has come both upon him and upon the world he inhabits.
We cannot do without this unfallen communication ; there-
fore the principle upon which this argument rests is a false
one from the outset : the books are not parallel—the books
do not teach the same lesson. (Cheers.) We are invited
then, sir, after hearing the history of Irish education, to the
sad, should I say, disgraceful failure of the Irish board, and
the still more disgraceful perversions in the mal-administra-
. tion of the funds contrary to the rules and conditions upon
which those funds were voted,—we are invited to assist
another society, which has arisen from the energies of the
Irish church in Ireland, a voluntary association of church-
men endeavouring to supply the lack of service of the state
to give to the children of the poor instructions in God's holy
word. They have succeeded largely, and is it not very ex-
traordinary? Does it not supply, in connection with the
evidence already brought before us, that, after all this his-
tory, and under these peculiar circumstances, that in the
schools so got up by the members of the established church
there should be at this moment twentysone thousand
children of Roman Catholic parents? (Hear, and cheers.)
This is a fact .to be stated in evidence to the government.
(Cheers.) I suppose, Mr. Chairman, it would be wrong in
me to disappoint the expectations you raised in your opening
speech. I consider it a very great compliment to be so
identified with opposition to Popery that my presence is
bailed by our respected rector as a certain pledge that you
would hear something against the Church of Rome. (Cheers.)
I said I consider this a compliment and not a reproach, be-
cause I belong to a most respected body, and a most respect-
able body, too,—a body that deserves to be respected. and I
hope it will continue to do so, and increase more and more.
I belong to the body who are pledged in the most solemn
manner that they will continue to be careful to give all dili-
gence to banish and drive away all erroneous doctrine con-
trary to God's word, and to a body who have subscribed a
declaration that the Popish doctrines as being erroneous and
contrary to God's word. If then, Sir, I have been too faith-
ful in redeeming my pledge, if I have been too zealous in
performing my vows, if I have been too sedulous in doing
what I solemnly swore I would do, if I have been too careful,
too constant, too fervent, too bold in fulfilling my vows and
keeping my oath, I hope I shall be forgiven this wrong.
(Cheers.) Dr. O'Sullivan held out a hope that we are only
filling up a gap, pro tempore,—that by and bye government
will come to a determination that Scriptural education should
be supported in Ireland. (Cheers.) 1 hope so ; and I think
the evidence he has adduced highly calculated to attain this
happy result. In the mean time, it is well that we should
look at this matter not only in its controversial point of view
but as a matter of Christian benevolence—as a matter of
positive good to the children. The rev. gentleman then pw.
ceeded to enlarge upon the necessity of supporting the society
on this ground ; and he concluded by calling upon them to
continue their attachment and to give their renewed support
to the cause of Scriptural education. (Loud cheers.)
The resolution was then carried unanimously.
courteous conduct inthechair.
pairiodnounced, and the proceedingsevey
On the motion of Mr. IN MAN, seconded by Mr. RIGBY;
the thanks of the meeting were presented to the Rev. Rector
nwShuesnn,dway
A blessing Campbell,fo rwlai iss
then
ne
ter-
minated.
Several sermons have been preached in aid of the society's
Several
One was preached in St. Jude's on Thursday
£l7 were
x 1 7-
ing, when the sam of £24 was collected.
morn-
ing Dr. O'Sullivan preached at Aighurth
collected ; and in the evening at St. Barnabas'meeting y
10s. were contributed. The collections at the
terday amounted to about £6. es-

The newly. appointed Bishop of Gibraltar is the Rev. Geo.
Tomlinson,
tooMk his B .A., of St
A. de. John's College, Cambridge. Mr.
Totnlinson A. in 1823, and soon after his
ordination was appointed chaplin to the Bishop of London.
He was subsequently tutor in the family of Sir Robert Peel,
and recently one of the secretaries to the Society for Pro-
moting Christian Knowledge. The new bishop is a sincere
and consistent churchman,.--Cambridge Chronicle.

- —.. —.—
EMIGRATION FROM THE UNITED, STATES TO CANADA,,
—lt will be gratifying for the friends of British emigration
to the North American colonies to know, that 114)..fr 1113 a t
left for Mr. Joseph Hume, or others, this year to ending five-sixths of those persons who leave this countrydr.Rolph
to settle in Canada, proceed to the United State!. Dr.
has received a letter by the last mail, informing
him that
6,000 persons have come from the United States in the Pre-
sent year to settle in Canada.
day last a man of
FATAL 'RAILWAY ACCIDENT.—On Thurse
i d forthat day as
the name of James M`Kellar, while ernPvrand Kerkintillock
a supernumerary driver on the Glasgo
Railway, lost his life in attemptin ?
gtstuerrie Iron Works. I t
at a point of the railway near to Gar tithe line
drivel s
save that of his horse,
s, oorses,
being Airdrie fast day, extra Iwagge:log the line ; and poor
with his restive horse,
were required to convey the throcagp
11I'Kellar, in his anxiety to kce,elle trains, and was killed on
fell under the wheels of one t Lii
spot.—Glasgow paper.
nowty. —Never at any time
was first exported by John.
EXPORTATION OF MAC
since the bobbin-lace machinery.l., machines taken out of the kingdom
Cutts, in 1816, were t-h-an during the last month ;as from the
in greater quantitieeseen
obtain no less than;34 warp and bob-
bestW beet, taken out of this district within that
b information
in.machines havne having
taken, we are assured, no less than
has this trade been carried on, that
period, one person
S boldlY
eight to Lille.
openly packed at a neighbouring village, and
machines were f
open day. By the practice ofthe English
wharf in
taken to a
in excise and customs • , and some other af-
fairs, of justice.
ld t b '
courts 4., carrier is he o e irresponsible for all goods he
fe'—' - • has been taken
this ample advantage of, as one of
carries;
i
has had the mach
our carriers y nes brought to the wharf, and
• •
packed there. et,by a decision of the Court of Exchequer,
although these machines may be seen thus packed, and the
parties should declare they were going to France or Germany,
they may be taken by river or canal to London,and declared
not water-borne, accord'
mg to the statute, until they are put
on board a vessel or boat on •
the Thames with the intent to
be shipped. Thus, if the Excise ' .
or Customs seize them ou
the canal or on a London wharf, they are too soon; and it
they watch to see them on board, the
ship is soon under sail,
and then they are too late, the packages being entered as
other goods. Such is the manner in which the manufactur-
ing interest, or rather the productive interest, has been lat-
terly protected.—Nottingham Journal.