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and the W4SO9 Train. Among many
e,objectintiab!. establishments, the Hon. Gee.
sa referred tdi the Manx Corps and the New.
ifindland Fencibles, both of h
gwhic he conceived
be unnecessary. The reat fault in
expenditure appeared to him to proceed
,rn the want of a sufficient power of super.
~.,dance over the several Departments. Blame
Meant not to attribute to any. individual,
los of all to his Right Honourable Friend at
head of the Treasury. Ile was certain that
Itight Honourable Friend saw a fault, no
A., ,meld be more ready to correct it. But
, eEgi a radical fault 13 the general arrange.
t of expenditure, which ate.% rendered it
::„11, if not impossible, to 'discover those
, ohich could only be corrected by the esta.
~,cat of the power lie alluded to.
might be asked, wliy h..? did not propose
.wo retrenchments earlier ? but to that he could
that he had frequently pointed out the
topics for the consideration of those with
os he had the honour to act while in office.
he had never ceased to press those points
„oleic attendee of those who It id the power to
Ante end he had in view, and he was naturally
j", 103 that the refor.n he proposed should origi.
sigh the executive power. The statement
be had now felt it his ditty to submit,
v„.4, he trusted, lie attributed to the real mu.
argeal tint to stand forward—a desire
woe his country—to secure to us the means of
oroing against Bonaperte, who had himself
~,,,hied ups, living thirty years, during whioli
t,,m was too much reason to apprehend that he
.4.lcentinee the inveterate and- active foe of
(:;:,t
mr. ROA.; concurred with his Honourable
as to the propriety of every practi .able
Togemeut, antl of subjecting the public elven.
di!srete some controuling power—that in fact,
oily orie hand should be allowed to go into the
ostiepitoc. But he differed from his Honour.
351 t Friend in some of the points he had advanced,
34 maintained the necessity of keeping up the
Mast aid Sew foundl said Corps.
Mr. Secretary RYIJFR stated, that the re.
jaw' about to take place in the expenditure of
or,Local Militia,• proceeded from a diminution of
Or somber of the days of training,' and also of
flaNua.commissioned Ctllicers attached to that

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Mr. P. MOOR E congratulated both the Hon.
Gotlwo% on the other site (Mr. Bose and Mr.
Branton) on the new sentiir.ents which they
1111 this ni;ht expressed—on their zeal for that
dune and retrenchment in the politic expendi.
Are, 'which they iliscuntitenaneed so much in the
letSessious when proposed to the t consideration
d the House by his Ulm Friend near him (Mr.
Wardle). It was grateful to his mind, as well for
this sake of these Gentlemen themselves, as for
*public good, to *fitness the refor.n which had
taken place in their opinions.
Lord TEmPLE expressed a wish to know what
tot the nature of the chance about to take place
in the establishment of the MetliCal Board ? What
security the country was to hare that the new
fiord about to be appointed would take 'care to
anl against the ealamities which servo ass jostly
suributed to the present Board ? Whethor thol
reysicians to be appointed should be capable of
*gine of c imp and contagions diseases [hear,'
*sr 1? and also whether it was possible Veal an
location exifteil of allowing tle Members of the
present Board to retire out full pay, notwithstand.
hig the evils occasioned by their disunion and.
sower .
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCITEQUEIt
tould nut conceive how any assurance could 1*
storied before-hand as t• the capacity of the loth.
winds to he appointed to succeed the present Me-
f3t" Yes," said Lord Temple, across
VI, fable, " by naming them."] The Chancellor
litchegeer observed, that he was not pre-
pared to comply with the Nuble Lord's request.—
flit the Noble Lord might be assured, that care
vuoW be taken to select the most eligible persons;
aid that it was meant, as an additional security
fir the performance of their duty, that they should
confine themselves wholly to the superintend.
lice of the Medical Department, _and to the
Consideration of time diseases to which the Army
Yoe liable. If any of most: appointed should be
found iliespahle, their dismissal would follow of
course. As to the idea of granting full pay to Ake
Member of the present Medical Board, upon
tHr retirement, tic knew not why the :Veldts
Lord should imagine the existence of ally stieh in.
tonien, unless he inferred it from the application
'1( 'hove Members thanselves. Upon this subject
he shouli only aid, that the new arrangement
about to take jilazc in the Medical Department
asis determined upen long before the pending In-
quiry was brought forward.
Colonel WAR.DLE &nerved, that, although
there were many points on which lie did nut feel it
necessary to dwell iii• the present discussion, he
. *del nut refrain from expressing his utter astn.
aiehment at finding, after the extraordinary cool.
1111 with hick the sego:ions ho had the honour
of makieg to the House iast Session, on the subject
of retrenchment, had been received, that the very
Points on which he had then teached had now been
taken up by the gentlemen opposite to him. Fot
this he thanked them most kindly, as he was sure
the country would also di. Aod.he confidently
treated, that the Committee hail now 'hewn that
sort of mind and deeLled spirit which would
,us'ify the country in the hope and expectation
'hat something in the way of retrenchment would
t done—nothing could give him greater plea.
%Ire than to see his Majesty's Minister's be-
P.inning to do that which was absolutely essential
to the salratieri—to the very existence of the
country. He u.i.siccd ettrcutely in the inessie.
tion apparently felt by those who, on s tetealle.
occasion, hail refused to listen to his suggestion";
and as his sole object was the good of his country,
he should not be fastidious sin the score et no'
kistruments by which that object, of whim*
he should never relinquish the pursuit; was
obtained. With respect to _ .tbe Local Mao'
fa, he should not at that time Auks ify
Gabon; but um Ihe subject d •Ihit

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Train, he feared that AS Coituiteso Wye n.
Smarts of the eisormous expeoseet west os that
unprofitableand uselessestabtlabolose.— owest
yct been able to obtain thet a relating to thee
branch of service, for whin had Magid sortie
flout ago, otherwise be Should at that moment
have been ogle to prove to the Committee that the
estimate nor. before them, of the probable ea.
penditure oc the waggon trains fell greatly short,
nay that it roved but a small portion of the real
espenditurel of that branch of service; but as
the inutility of this wasteful corps appeared
to be admitted by all sides, he treated that the
public would very speedily have to congratulate
themselves on its entire abolition. The commands
with which foreign Generals had been entrusted
in this country, and particularly in the cennty of
Rises, he could not but deem highly reprehensible
'—such was nut formerly the usage in this coun-
try; and ho verily believed, that even but a very
few years ago no Minister could have been found
so daring, as to have appeared in that House alter
having sanctioned a measure so repugnant-to the
feelings of Britons, and to the general spirit of the
Constitution. The introduction of foreign troops
into this couutry, on rho permanent footing which
they seemed to hare acquired, was a novel measure,
evidentlyarising out dais u nconstitutionalprinci r le.
The expenditure of the country had now arrived at
that point, when it became necessary to examine
.every channel• of expence, however minute ; for
it would not serve as an answer to say, that this,
object was trifling—that was inconsiderable...the
aggregate of minute wasie would, he was certain,
be found to swell into a prodigious htilk. There
was, however, one article of expenditure, to
which the imputation of minuteness could not be.
applied-.-he meant the army clothing, in the sup.
ply of which, it was absolutely necessary that
seine reform, and that too, without delay,
should take place. In the last year, ' Go-
vernment had given an advance of Is. 6d.
on every suit made by private contract, more
thee what was paid where the contract was
open to public competitionl—and he was certain
that Mr. Courtenay's supply would be found to
have been as gout, at least, as that of Mr. Pearce.
Why was the Public to pay 75,0001. more than
was necessary, and more than the amount for
which the supply could be furnished ? That was
the fact, and he "pledged ititibself to prove -it !
(Hear, hear!) If the supply of accoutrements
and tfiat of cavalry appointments were brought to
open contract, he had .uut the smallest doubt
that ti saving would scenic at which the coon.
• try would be astonished. lie was fully pre.
pared on this subject to give ample proof in
happen of his assertion. and would certainly
bring forward the sub!..ct, unless his Majesty's.
Ministers would render that unnecessary, by theta-
' selves undertaking the investigation of a subject
of expenditure so highly important. He had some
time ago pressed on the House the subject of the
price of great coats, with which the army was snp.
plied—qt that time the supply was at the rate of
16s. dd. per coat.—Ministers had in that instance
'listened to his suggestion, and the contract was
thrown open. Wyatt had been the consequence t
co:its of fully equal, nay, even supetior 'stalky,
.as he shot Iti afterwards
_shear, had setswestiz
been delivered to the army at only 9s. per coal, a
reduction of between 50 and 60 per cent. Peat !
hear !] This was a fact, beyond the power of
dispute, and sorry he was, that in stating that re.
l auction, he could not there stop—but there was
yet remaining what, although be would nut direct.
ly term it a job, something so very eztraurilinary,
that he would not pass it over in silence. Pot'
those very coats which could now be afforded
at the sum of nine shillings, there was charged
for the process by which they are supposed
to be rendered renter-proof—how much
why no less than half a crown, almost one-third
of the original cost, when it is notorious that the
process can be as completely effected' for sirpence!
[near, hear!] He had said that the coats thus
stippled at 9s. ,were superior to those for; which
16s, 6d. hail been formerly paid, in proof of
which, ho need only state that the coats at Ns. Gil.
had neither linings nor pockets, while them at
9s. have both, and arc four inches longer ! [Hear,
hear !] It might be thought by some Gentlemen that
'be 'had dwelt with too much minuteness on
this subject—he hail been minute—he had, at the
same time, been winutely accurate, and his ob-
ject was to impress on the minds of the Committee
the imperious necessity of military eetrettchment
in geoeral--fur he could assure them that when
they anme to examine other articles of military
expenditure, with equal iainateness, they would
' find the contract fur great costs an example, and
that nut an exaggerated one, of our genera/ mill.
tary ex penditure—thesansti principleofexpentittute
obtained throughout the system, and the same aye.
tern of retrenchment would be found correctly to
apply to that imputaat branch of national expels.
diture. [Hear, hear 1] In the estimate of the
expenditure in the office of the Secretary at War,
'hg observed an excess of 10,8721. The Noble
Lord had told them that there had been no change
persons had rworostli *MIAS.
in the War Office, but that different
been selected to accelerate the completion of the •
LONDON: •
complicated accounts of that Office. Now those
TettSlDAlrt FERIIIIArt It,. •
very persons had been al work for years,
and notwithstanding that, • the accounts wire A WWI from Tarragona Wogs a report et,
yet in the utmost coofetion—nothieg had
boo dose towards rollick them to order ; considerable advantages obtained by the Spaniards
and yet, ,in ISOS, there were us Acted over thisFranch, in an action that took place in
PIC'
Clerks in the War Office t Mismanagement there consequence of a sortie from Barcelona. In
certainly must be somewhere, and he verily be' neighbourhood of the Pyrenirs the Spaniards ere'
tiered that not one-fifth of the regimental accounts
also stated to have succeeded in culting of a
were get through in any one year. Ho was
French party of .900 men. 'this &o
lwly wag:,
extremely sorry to see also from the Esti.
mates, that the numbers of the Foreign Corps fare may be protracted to agesstiength ; the eat-
in out service increase ; this wee s PrinaiPia and a tent of the Peninsula, and the variety of difficult
practice which he sbeeld ev
elr'°- •ots
°Pe' No legs a couotrY with which it aboende, will. render the
sem than 30,0001. apparel oaths face of the Es.
entitle reduction of the conttry to a state of
dotates, for recruidag Ole Foreign Corps. That .
pie tranquillity, a work of great labour and ti me.
meth a sum should be reqsiredior such a purp
excited alike his sorrowoirdlidS indignation !--bat No farther information has .bees received direct
we :could not Isert'plealrograg and retrial fr."' from Wit. There was a report in circulation yes.
thepont's Ono. (beer, hoer, bear !)—No fewer terdey, that the assistance of oar troops had beet
Use 800 of Reps al's army, Who had been made
• deemed unnecessary by the Spaelerdsi on their
prim/nervier* takenont Spanith jail*, and in.
eerpereted Hite foreigocesite UMK etwrice--tbeee arri.al at Cadiz •
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bur foreign ,
itiair.
- a hefte t; He Ind a
.." SO ins* erkethe's the Duke e
amps, • ..dket . kie 16 tempt!,
taken into our pay, had received any thiegbit
bounty or recruiting money—such Was nefralaillq,
arhich if true, was truly extraordinaty—olad he
bagged leave to put it to the Noble Lord whelk"
such was the fact. If it were so, he should•thinit
it a very sufficient reason for piMinas end at Once
to this species of recruiting. There lab another
item in the estimate, which to. Mot .appeared not
less extraordinary ; but, perhaps, it was iescep.,
tible of explanation...as last year the estliato Ofi
the foreign depot was 154001 • in this reek
was 20,0001.—an excess of 501301. ; while the
whole expenco of the British depot, Including
the cavalry, was estimated at only 11,0001. !-..,
[Here several Members bicame inpatient for the
question.] Gentlemen might call out Question !
Question! but that .would only protract the debate,
for he was determined 'to do his duty. On the
. bead of Barracks in Iceland, there was a grant Of
135,5001. for the erection of new Barracks.—'
Would the Committee without document or infor-
mation grant such atom ? He hod on a former oc.
anion stated, that there were already several very
OR:client Barracks in Ireland unoccupied, and
yet 135,5001. was asked for building more Bar..
rack ! [hear ! hear !] and this too, at the very
time, when the Right Honedrable Gentleman
(Mr. Rose) in his pamphlet, havingjust discover.*
ed that this Barrack- ernes .is SO expasive—ac.
kaowledges himself to have-been deceived-hid .:'
(Hear ! Hear ! Hear I.] Ile trusted, however,
that the Cominittee would not consent to
throw away the public money in this manner.—
There was but ode more point on which
ho should trouble the Committee.—,-The dif.
ferent regiments were all calculated at their full
establishments ; but on what ground .did they
vote away the.public money ? Was it 'possible
that the whole of the money demanded could be
wanted ? Not ooe.third of it. The second. bat.
Adieus of many regiments Were composed of boys,
the pay to whom was nine.pence ' • and yet these
estimates, on which they were called upon. to vote
away the public money, made no distinction,
but classed them all as men at one whilling.—=
He anxiously trusted that the Committee would
pause—that they would make a stand. 'ere they
thus lavishly voted away sums, in his opinion, so
greatly csceeding.the necessity of the service. It
was his intention to have mined, that the Estimates
be referred to a Select Committee—in that he
should not, however., persevere; but he would
Imaintain, that were a minute examination of the
ikm s actually required fur thu service of the
roar to be instituted, the Estimate before the
Vommittee would have been reduced at least too,
ar perhaps three millions. Ho trusted that 'after
what he hail stated, Something, decisive would be
attempted by his Majesty's Mainers on the Me-
* rent objects of retrenchment which be had pined
out ; but ifl•unhappily, ho should be disappointed
in that hope and expectation, be should entain.
ly fed. it his duty to bring forward .so im.
portant a suhjeet by come apical; 'WOOL . •
Sir JAMES PULTENET stood, that every
ponible effrirt was made iii the War Dike to ea.,
c-el ir a(V Ilitietttelttein tiveigtotoatoClMMr.ll4s:llo,
expressed his surprise at the Honourahie Masi
bee's statement as to the clothing of that aresys
*Melt he could not coned 's: to be correct. - •
Mr. HUSK ISSON said, that he still retained all j
the sentiments he expressed last session, with regant
to the proposition of the Hun. Gentleman (Mr.
Wardle), with which sentiments be had netshis
night uttered a ward in any degree inconsistent.
Mr. PARNELL considered the continuance of
the Waggon Train in IrelAnd as a most severe and
unnecessary oxpence. Ile• complained, that in
.bringing forward the present Army Estimates, no
attention appeared to he paid' to the valuable ad.
vice contained in the Report of the Commissioners
of Military Inquiry. No alswer had beep given
to the question, whether the Members of the late
Medical Board received pensions, and Whether the
Duke of Brunswick's corps received homely or not.
Lord MASON contended, that no practical
grievance accrued from the employment of foreign
troops.
' Lord PALMERSTON briedly replied to the
different objections of the preceding Speakers:
Be stated, that the Foreign Troops under the
' Duke of Brnaswiek did receive a bounty atone
geineas, 31. 17s. to be expended in necessaries.
After some observations from Mr.. BANES
and Lord TEMPLE, who gave notice of, his in.
wittier' to move, on Thursday neat, for the estab.
lishment of the New Medical Board, the different
Resolutions were agreed to.
Sir THOM AS.I URTON professes his deter.
foliation to oppose the Report whenever it was
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brought up.
The House resumed, and Report ordered to be
brought up this ital.... Adjourned at half past two.

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Greet rejolatigs flare bead beard on the Freed
itidit, bet the :Goose II Whitt° oolestoilnr.
• • —isms.—
A. Gabskiptiit trail Para ApOiSetli hi term yes:
•lirtltty: geetptibllethe bieldssawi ottbe report is •
:that capitiVerilbif illitinau Whirled Fresco and
..ilisillrie,.bitiiiisponsil 44• iiiti istiotear.ovis.
The Prince tar NaVetaai!r., however,* nut .
';t shed Paris, at the thee of the Geistiesd*dit- &I.' .'
tare.
:.s. A Lvrtitit'froni t.lsbod lieitilvait th
..t conjecture
ire have Wog entertained., teat this French Medi.
tate an early attack on Patina!:
" the ?teeth; we understand, ere iiilteetieg, troops at
Wahiawa fee the Wastes Of ibis koentryi but ee she
out bo attacked until the* 'asSiberi ire far seVertor to t°l
own.“
We 'repeat that there is not it hope event thit we
can defend Portliest. Wt iteterntholight there war.
Twit ineekauslikk resoortes of this eonntrY
iii stlength admitted,even by Mr. 'ton and Mr. •
HosktssoN, to be no longer capable of minister
ing to that wanton end shameless system- of. worn-. _
Sion so fatally introduced--and pursued with poste:,
• irerattee so obstinate, so blind, it 6 infatuated, from
the moment that the first crusadelgaius,lFrince *al
undertaken by thell i a hit C—Ve.. - ......ri PITT. What m Ist the
etheiroro a tbii perpiiitallyinhtatingStatesmati
the PM Ct*b liisomossediokink of,thepteichourtible
doctrine---when the opinion, of Men sointimateli
acquainted as aro Mr. Roast and Mr. Hosiissen
with the pounds, shillings, and pence,. of tier. et.
pOnelitare—it length succumb beneath the etas.
mutating and oreirwheiming Prestuee of taxation.
The haVo'r of /hi speeches of those Gentleitsys last
niiht,ln the COms'aittee 'OO the Army Estimano, is
totideas reran--thit wo are arrived at theist pies
Oltri of tivAden I Have the:: not, for year; been
Warned of the approach and certain arrival of that
period.? "The great difficulty we hare now to
utnetritnter, is the failure of our inances!"--
It reqeired but the intelligence of Ministers to
centrlisce all thinking men of that fact; all such
have Seen, for year; the gradual' approach of
that calamity which seems so snddenlyt 0 have burst
on the vision orMinister.. To that economy,
the necessity of *Melt is now acknowledged, even
by the very seen who hare assisted in bringing us
Utile brink of the pretipice en which we 40114
duty have, for tear 'Meaty years, turned a deaf
stat.•;.!-cainstantly ridiculing the prophetic spyrtibetti
Illesits of all those, to whom' hey now come with' a
whining discovery of the danger that *Arcs 'us is
The fate t
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. katlik,. the AiSattolo Irith *hid *e are tar.
sona4adi web 11411nolsever, the tewsolation of
fisting lesaelisili .4 !Os" part of the Adtaisitt.
irides's. Allki naafis seiss.lou rammer of the
.reiltrallitlrerrtnt: by., tba identification of
the body 'of . tits ls hollir of that offs*,
theft Mr. Ocatevat.—within even h few hour;
laudably a/tablas that rho public sertict should
no longer suffer by the suspension of the du-
ties of that important -effice—set 'off in a post.
chaise and tour, :for Windsor=from witente be
returned at half put one in the morning-with the
appointment its his pocket of-•-:-g.wlto 1 Mn.
Cheat es YORKS, Member for the County of
Cambridge. .--.......-
• Gun Readers will recollect rts to have stated,
about the period At the sailing of the Expediinn,„
thit there was reason to believe this important en. '
terprize was undertaken ht the suggestion of a 214•
tociant in this metropilis, grounded on the infor.
mation derivedfrom 'some of hisCorrespoOdeni in
Rutland.--that such was 'the fait, weenye little
doubt. And In 'As Report of the Secret Com.
mittee, ono of the " hiclerurei" from Holland
is doubtless referable to thii Correspondent u
rho Author. What • wrest the. country think of
Ministers, who, with sack means, upon suchi in.
formation, should undertake such its enterplice 1
—What becomes of ' ill- 'the secret service
money ? The moment is certainly approach.
lug, *lien Inquiry will go beyond VA' secret
examination of Officers at the liar of the House of
Commons. ‘ rhat Iniedry . Will be open -- in •
the face of the People • of t Vatid.,.is despite of
Mr. Vottaa, reroartted as he has hetet by the Tel.
lersMp of the Exchequer I
. We lament the pressure of tatter *Ale% too,
Strains no to dota, anti) to-morrow, the satiffee,
dory and milling Esaminatieo of Lana Chatham.
No rehtdatice la answering diroody to the vies.
tine repeatedly put to him, la regard to the papers
,privately delitered by him is, fits Majesty !! l•
'f h. ikasags delivered lest night by Mr. Put•
wit:, in answer to the Address of the House,
so-, tko subject of soy suer , paws . that
''' tt have been tethered. pt. the apt of
tO
L AVIA*, Is beyond Meager, tdkraestlellillp .To
it inotirs can we finputt die hard lilt tbs.
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. 50p0,.-oTo.ilay .there . iso CoUtt if Al;
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