The Statesman.
London, England, 1814-07-14 00:00:00

VITSMAN

had been one ef tbe minority which thetChad opposed
the measure. lie then had thought, and he at pre-
sent retained his opinion, that it was improper
take away the con.titutioital protection of the sub-
ject, without some previous enquiry. But at that
time there might be; said to be some pretext, for ii
was confidently stated by the respectable Member
Dublin (Mr. Grattan) that it was notorious that a
French
,party ikon existed in Ireland. No such as.
serum' was now made. It as not enough that an
104)04174101,Inbee4bealdgatand up int,his •pl wee-and
sty that Seat a measure was necessary, to induce the,
of [lreland all the for to-morrow.

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-Mine to take from tho. people at.
pi section which the laweffordtd them. If such a; Gen.GASCOlGNlrrlittelli prhilnseid
- 'Montt measore was netessary, why had it not been ` half-Pay to the Ensigns sod-Lieutenants in the army.
brought forwicki at .np' Starner. period ? Or if till I—The1—The pay of the army hsii. been originally lbiced tes
now the necessity listl'sior become appavent, it would , correspond with the price of labour, hist it had not,
be the Ontiyinf. the. Opine. to' continue sitting until ! increased in the same propokinn. The j?ay of an,
-they had ascertained, by the most, satisfactory en, .14.:n4ign was, according to. the proposatof the No-
' iptirjr, whethr It was necessary to take from Ireland ble Lord (Palmerston) ON 3s. a-derPn.the ppecel
Greed and Petit Juries'. It was true:that :the. establishment, which wakilftle mestiv,-. then 'the twice
• dispensed' ilth the necessity of eiidence, for every of common labour, and *certainly,. net: sufficient
Prisoner was• Prevented le.,be 010, and that the support him in that tank of..life, in which
• weight was thrown on bini.of proviqk his innocence. fession end education in general entitled blot; to.
▪ The nleastire could ;Of he supperted„as Tensoeing move. It was said, that by raising thsrpay
the. odium of conviction from Jurtorti; for it threw it subaltern officers, it would approach -too' near; to
On another set of men—the Magistrates. •• that of the Captain. Ile did not think: felt
. Mr. KOCH FOROisaid it-fair' words in a voicein- half-pay of the Captain .was sufficient to Ittpont2
audible in the-Gallery. . • him, and the Lieutenant or Ensign cedittriat 'pas • '
Mr. W. FiTZG ERA LD said, that as the Hon. My subsist upon his. The difference wjel'ormerl
and Parnell' Gentleman., (sir S. Remilly) prided halffa-crown a day, and he wished it,tet remain th
jdreself on support tug his coitsistency, by opposing.,same.. The Captain's half-pay would s7s. by, t*
At. i6asure, because hi hid.;#44e.tbe, same in 1801, near regulations, and he should:pry:44e to raise the
•111ertiament, be, hotted, would maintain its consisten-;!ttiintenatit'A to 4s. 6d. The Hottetiebte genera!
• 4, by passing it into a law: `A,i to the grounds for I:Concluded' with. moving, -'4 That it 9 Addiess be:pre«,
• tbelmeasure of 1807,. that alresich party existed in.! settled to the Prince Re/ent, to take intfitia'co, nidr;
liisthind he !hough( it touchiest -weight in support deration the Aviation 9 „Subaltern, colairts in the
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# a meaqure of fhislind, than the notoriety the
prisenedistuitauces;.for though quite insufficient to
sopp.ress.i French party, it would protect the pro.
Jelly anttllresf the l0)11 fiom nightly danger.—
Ak-:-The:Aleiflust.; wet - Cure till 'bestow 'protection on
-thP prople,,of, Indeed, -and pot to take it from
-Shaw •AL
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ri Mr. A f3FACROMBY deprecated the iitn, that

Army, end to inerealle their halflisb. thebeflUedi
tenants to 41i. skf.. end that" of Ensiine.,tte,Si. 4d:
fr " • per
_en? . •
At. the suggestion of the SPEAKER, thlriovEcitHar
sum specified was omitted.
Sir EYRE COOT seconded titemotion
I • Lord PALMERIiToN said it vas exceedingly
painful to him to moist any motion like the present,
but

Amy Member ho honestly stated Ma opinions in that
...,7110atie, should be considered a party to the dieter.
-inlf Ire,land, lle.deniedt.hat the disturbances

. he submitteti.to the House whether it was proper
to bang lomat) mtbjeatter this 'kind ritsclaleal. , it
(yes notesairy to maintain a certain. scae,in :e-# pay
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..,nces in
we!" tiototiges I? die Hoare, for he woold restore
Ito -assott, that; when *IS Right Kan. Gentleman
Perle)Apfued his terrible budget sn slimmer
thatiels stated by .11int. were perfectly sew to
!Atte Hops!. • attest the [lonise wentlitto *fall -en.

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of the different ranks of the army, and ;dull a certain
proportion betweed the army and navy. Other
Gentlemen might come forward with other proposi•
Lions for an increase of the half pay, and it might be
thought by some, pirhapq,that Otfirers in the Mgher

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~tlgiry to knots•in what way the laW had failed, how'
:.warit.pouiblelto ,apply a proper remedy ?--7The
lionoerahle Member ,deprecated the meatitte- as it 1
joreposed` 'to ditirrise ttie people of ;lieland.ef the
Trial.l4 -certela distrtilti;• and !Rice ?limn ;
• stibe discietion of local
,who were, lie
•:',lnr4ortrltt 'unilecsiaarti:ttyfileir4eirtry lon liable
• ltsrtlia iwltuittee of very unwititlif lstejutlices, sited
- fah* mare uniterthy as they orlditiftted in a spirit of
• -re:igious ilissension; -no thl. enicttnent of nik.
• so-re of tin" oat tire 4tlas peculiarly
• was pressed 'torn/MI SO abruptly 'without any pre.:l
: alum enquiry to satisfy the House find the. country
taf -*he neresoit.% arm) which it* Ittuthoet profeated to 1,
for their justification. The cu of land eiaari
Week!, most sieploralite, fol. white 44408i1l • was to
,precipitately urged, professisun to 'lie tin 'enactment I
lent), for a temporary purpose, its -iftivocates irripititE!
leo as to iodic! an inference, thakit'lsas ititentfinttij
quake it a tfast 'drifts rirtnanetiMyitero for the Ao.•1
ternment of that. iinliappi ' • •
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Mr. 13 E El; E'artdfible.' Irbeifn'ociHy er.
. -plainer!: -1 •

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RENRVIPARNSLIAIIid,'Oat the more he
reflected upon tM's subject thelettocre he was convinced'
of the propriety of the opinion -which lie expressedi
•some days ego; thallsoteasur• of this' extraordinary,.
-wet ere should not` be IntVodudeil without' a.prevloos
Ind ample enquiry:,
- Mr. W. FITZUERALD explained, and General.
'HARCOURT-spoke itt.favoor of the Bill.
'Mr. BAGWEIA.:,tiore testimony to the necessity
of this pleasure for 'the protection of the loyal.sob-
/ode of Ireland igainstrobbery and outrage. Nay,'
the was persuaded, that in order to render that pro-
tection elfectusl martial law ousht 'to be proclaimed I
in the disturbed distriold of Ireland. -, •
- Mr. CROKERaed Col, VEREKBII followed on
the Same side:
• Mr. DOMINICK BROWNS *tressed his re-
gret that the Bill lwfore the House wittrendered ne-
cessary by the state of certain districti in Ireland,
but with a view to the permanent preservation of the
peace of that country, that a more comprehensive
system was railed for. Ile trusted, therefore, that
by the next Session the Right Honourable Secretary
would be prepared to submit such a system to the '
Consideration of l'arltament, as should serve to w-
eave to Ireland that degree of tranquillity which it
ought to possess, bat-which, in fact, it had not-the
fortune to enjoy for a century.' But the House
could not be much" surprised to learn that such wad
the disturbed state of thecouttley which had to earn-
plain of serious violation, while"k was. in 'reality
without any regular police, and its matestracy ware
discouraged or .41eterrycl from adequate exertion to
preserve the peace.
• Mr. J. P. GALANT spokes forcibly in support of
the proposition for enquiry, -hermit 'measure of this
ettraordinary chancier was•carried bite a law. lie
pressed it upon the consideration of the English Re.
presentatives, nod the English people, how they
would feel, if it were proposed to put any
portion of England ant of the pale of the Constite-
thin, by depriving its inhabitants of the Trial by
Jury. • Why then should they look with such indif-
ference at the fate of their fellow:sobjects of Ire-1
hod ? The stare of• that country imperiously called.
spon Parliament for a thorough investigation, and,
for a very different reginrett from that athith* had
been applied to it for centuries. From all, -ittleed;
that he could learn of the history of that coutttey,
Its disease Jay deep, and required a radical remedy.'
It was in vain to hope mach from the application of
complaints, - of

remedies to local or from the healing
particular boils, which might occasionally break Mgt
upon such a diseased body. The whole system re-
quired examination—the blood must be thoroughly
purified, and the best core which he could imagine
for thevvil complained of, would be to extend a full
participation of the privileges of the-British Consti-H
tution to the people of Ireland, with a mitigation of

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low they wort. to
probable eapence to(
-noranti . ' 1:4„
to 'pat. aAnistios
_ as to **eat. aftictittO Unit
the Grkat *Park•pf-Viriodseeig
pieta ot rch tikture, but'ilry
a vast &limber u
He wished to Issow
for, and who this to
A. lie also wished
been constructedtas
weigh to prevent, as far possible, that

-,--le person
hatintiiiiir4nosic'ale r buildings which were
the stational eapence. The wails of this edit
of .stone' d end the roof of thatch, and it
appeared to him, as azpressed by a peet, 7 ,
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,4 The crai'd creasisaprehoseimprm.bmlak
• The CHANCELLOR of the 'o4llltelo'
lieptledi- tbit this bulig itsras letfte*rtsi.Ah• re
dean of,4lre Prima Regent, md ireCettlieteading
chars wens Streadi , minty R•y el pale*, A* did
soippol• tlite. pay oni of them amid be r"
the accommodation of the Prince at Inv ...t
pat.'s. HQ,' which 44tajilted. 441 ' '
7itidfor Park.. As, to the expellees
.0( WINO been aimed:, itecoentit !of'
!tire Wr the .01vtt Lig Of"tbiaihti yak.
' liti.lf Eftgla , saw' is the-
110000taei wetti in: Windt* Meg 4. ir ,
sktals,ptsr whether this eras all that retell hided for on.'thlS icibeisinh",at licurit. . ;. : '
tL1916 iriald V tA# 110041 4k amok 44 . . i
itiila
an pi1aip.e;;4...,,, . , .
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r•( Ilia ClittriCELLOW et ilk ' VLOVEQtI
aid; that tlicititties hid been crittaa'Claut.
but" 'lto tat: elini 'hether ail-the • WHO'
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furnished. . .
aJit r It.
Lard, cAsTtitiirAtiit saki, -that ibie..buikliag
was fir the. ateonsuadalion of the- Pr,*4'
i**hci, as a subject,. house in the Coveter
!, tire to'within a cOneenieet.distance of it?.
thelo, moved fof tint OM!
MOOS of this bu'lilitaki,n Windsor Park.
OR 7CKEOTIER

TheI,CUANCI .. of the III:
hod no ohjectioe ;to' a return AI, exponee
ready Incurred,. or enesthoato of the prebat

**ince. , !id taw no ieasetn,lhowerepfor4
being (aid° before thailonse; and therefore t
as AtnendinenS• thetlisat part of the metion
bityirnitted. •"'" ;t. •
Mr.. TlEltNEL.tilott sit impossible
'to k, w'hat- - ere dr' unless'

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ranks of the trmiwhci had served longest, and were oe o, nos.
t theyCvere doftig, ,
at a time of life which precluded them from entering ~ he'estimate as well as the_idan. - •
into other professions, were most ,deserving of the I The CHANCELViIit of . the: EX.CitECW
consideration and-indulgence of the House... Besides, rionsidered it of no importance ,to ssbalit'a '
be thought the addition.of ed. or is. would %tot la 1411,sidecatiunrst the Haase, ' whether .thiS,,Eilia .
pecuniary point of view 411ficel• the end wed.
.....1,100 tae ftrAiad taste.. He thoOgfit It '"ifbeir'
fir W. ST IMMIX considered thii, lititittionalia: ;Amy" j, the cartliment should be Informed '
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crease proposed rather es a retaining fent° cotieltkn :poktp ~ .r.. .4i"' ; , • . ~.-
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officers, to keep (hem lathe army.' He Wat'orraill is, Wt. '.2.tgiatEr did not wish to' leridelle
that otheiwlae the ht lots the Boding ii kiet....i.l)r, lipiatilit:tbephrt;,:,but,iciepctired it ,ltbi§liitely .i
'He did not illiffikzibt GMT ',I Weill case tallte.frbltt .1d fpfto..4;judiptient; about the •eslinsate
army. . • .. I. expotiatlil..withmat :hefting the plan of the -
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- . 'Sir ;OSEPH/Oft4t.teggv‘...to., - ' Slot I The Atmeadoillit'of the Chancellor of the
to.
*peaker, that them:went Midshipmen mid ' iis ' (tar wfV;ltinflaby.ii inajOrittof 43 to 9.
tbe.travy, who had *riot 8,9, et.. , ' t - 'toop one vtkidmissimi into tbs. (fir
the smallest prospect of enselunteiii.l_,.lll, ,- !, .
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I. Yoq_n_d
- The CHANCELLOR : 'of the'.".,EXCEIEQURR '. . 31r,TIERNEY snaking some .enquirles,
followed in the same line. ot argument lc ‘l4Ord)pir... lag the buildings now erecting in the Par)
'reerston, andrconteodeallitt atiy-Partiel iiiempt to ',observing, that suitable directions ought to '
raise the scale of our military ecteblishmedts beyond given by the, head of some ploper department,
whit the resources of the country could bear, would be particularly %%lilted to know, continued '
only lead to, confusion, discontent, and ultimate dig. : Honourable Gentleman, was' who. did give .ta,
appointment. •, . 1 for their erection?—The estimated expeisiet.
Me. CORDON nointed out the incOnsisfeucy of . 15,0004. Who made theristimats.iinit:wbelfli

415. kik" pointed out the inctinsjateucy's).. _
.thA
a;:illag 10,0001. to the Guards (as a mere job), sad to:be fee —4 =tenor of the 'Extbetikod
refirsing the present adeance on the pretence of eeo. keel very well that no estimate, id faetsallitad
Odhiy.. TON. wds confounding economy and extra-1 t was really trifling with the HoosebnitaW
setedoe.together. In this new fit of economy, the sapence was estimated at 11;0001 when no:
ChancellOr of 'the senequer had told them, thet it lion atell;he believed, ltoi been made...
Is'isimist their owe mosey, but that of their conatitel I Sir W..CONGREVE said, that he ehuld net
the House any additieWal •Informatfitri.ll7oo4l
sotss which they were voting away, and yet It was
only this very day, that they had voted 46,0001. fist a which be, hid already utimitted Tim
set of ridiculous gewgaws in the Perk. They were i amount-,of the espentia,. deducting .thireolue
also, he understood, going to vote. 100,000 -te 'the materials, let *milted .rs,uocv :Re lied'‘
Clergy. How then could they refuse 10,0001. to a a rough estimate to hi made out, 44: he appeellitik
most meritorious class of men, who -depended On ed that the, sum would "tit gO beiond•Wilet
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their profession for their support? it had twee ob- stated. •
served by the Noble Lord, that a shilling a day was . Mr. whom was the
no object as an add,tipn to the present half-pay.' He made ? *
(Mr. Gordon) thought that a shilling a day wee a I , Sir W. CONGREV.4,,replied, That. there .
very considerable edditinti to three. ; 1.111 precedent for the priceediag now adopted.
Mr. FORBES spoke in favour oeibeinotien, • 1749, the Kings wirrant was issued, for
Lord CASTLEREAGH statedi.'sm a proOf that for the purpose of electing certain temporary
practically speaking the pay of the army was high lugs. . •
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enough; that there wits n 6 backwardness in persons:, ter. TfritlNEY admitted the precedent,
to go into it. He thought. it the best lutlior- of the wished taltura .ithellier there was any warrant
country to threw commissions into NW haedgef:those, istooro for 4!w' 15,0001., .? • •
who had other meant of support. -1! 7 - *r• 42'00:naisitie sija;lio not competent
GeNeral GASCOIGNE, denied that appltiatilma: to ensweethe questiew. He believed there
for commissions in the army were frenentsitTi‘,The ar..l,,been.sullkiedf time but he could ltibtnre the.
gement of the Noble. Lord would have been move ap., however, that teary practicable economy ►
phicabie t*i
to the pieces of suite awl- *wawa:house oinlerre 4..
officers. Mr. TIERNEY replied that he did not .
Lord Palmerston, Sir W. Stewart, and Lord Cas- . throw the slightest imputation upon the Ilonourm
tleresgh, severally explained. • ' (letitlemait. From whit .he had 'tiOtamunicit4
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The division thee took. place, when there were, hint (Mt4fierney) in privile' end from the plata-41i
Far the Original Nstiost,lB—Against It, 32.411445yi41.• had,submitted
,to. him, hn-hed no doubt the
Ngw woRKs. •• • :": titing wets Wittig' done in ate economical planner
When the gallery wan open, after thediehiled; whet he wished to knolls' ni die part of the
Mr. TIERNEY was asking a clingiest )4he, *airy whether the mattnetwas merely. ti pr"
Chancellor of the Exclregasie, respecting. • the wind* fgailiementi heivieen' te` l ion. Gentleman
espenoeof those works.. -` " Nash, or whether any fit and legal instrument
. The drANcELLoa, of the EXCHEQUER be prodeceil.es anthotizing it*?
replied, that the differeatOlicers of the Household, The dirAigaLLott, of the .EXCHIs.
le their anziety to empty with the Order. of the • sale, Shit a warrant had been iisued for 50001..
Voi.se, had immediately made their returns of whet 'l'lolllEY.—Was it tken known. that
heu been alreatifeeponded, without estimating whet :aspence::would'r Amount to 15,0001. I
remained to be expended. He believed that in the not.' I shall. now move for • the -estimite.,
Lord Chamberlain's department, there nould be a. Right IfOesicrable uoittkinan then moved, that s.
pretty considerable Increase beyond theretUrn already ...be laid before the Howie an estimate of the expence
made. He could not speak with agiceency on the preparing' Certain buildings for a Fête
subject at present. . .•• .•Park,St. James's Perk, and. the Green
Mr. TIERNEY tireinred himself estrfirlied at this ...Ordered. • • • •
answers as on the two last Committeeethet had ' Mr. Etoxgs. enquired whether the oxpences
the Civil, List, it seemed to b. r ,•unsier• curred •the brit across the .CP-
eut a
Wert

upon . _ iperfoctly.t. _ is erecting A idge
stood that no amamorits should he begun with.' , a -Included
previous estimate of Abe experts* being laid ' Aro Sir Vlr.. CONGREVE replied, that in
the House. it appeared now that grilat works had =estimate It was included; but, as it would probabl
been begun, and were carrying cue, of which the remain a permanent convenience to the Public,
House were completely without information as to aught not in fairneso to be considered as a part of
their probable exposes*. We saw those new works the general expences incurnd for Ow temporary
is .the Parks rids; every dal, bat ►ow bIIL tlior orookoos.

the

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led the pressure of tithes, and other measures so often , were to get up,-or 'how 'lt
)re- essired
„._,,thv the.. moil -. enlightened ebserters . of.*. the what was to be the probe
. to stattei..intst character of that.couttliy., :Oils Iti;tks- 1101180 leto.o;mletely ignc
uh. , cidesflystisoapbt„a Lauda, bigot cokes., znie 4014 ' ' Ai: EIaNNET wished
hat i•interestiottlll,:mgilya; and ithy pert)! -,.Pestre et 'Citht Etstr....Gliallematt a
7it.
r it i inlet*. digs a lsystest.af. alitfielld ,at .teercloat woe no* bowing in the I
foal which cenkkiett of etperiencii hid "preiei toOregtivelt iiis I moit7singular pies
ta ' and inapplicable-to thirchteaCter of the 1 diAlipint)lo. ' ' 'apaciOus, and contained a
as.l Mr. %V 114.. COIJRUNAY suprpoOiliete Bills in (rent' ueSinnm°d449".• I
an opposition to the opinion or hi I" n , 'cads ear this palace was built for,
Ind %. him, , . , t ~ . i .': 4. ... _Owner or occupier of it.
the , The Bill was read a second tile')7ltitit'eCaininitted by whose taste it had been