The Statesman.
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a effurg. af: _:•se conclusion .of a wist., in whirls
their heroic ' on. had saved the country, he did-
Dos thick Soo •he Hone, of Common, would consent
to any such oreposala.-41Iear, hear.) Roble
Lord was proreeding to shew that the state-
ment.fade by an Honourable Member (Mr. Hume)
respecting the Staff of 11502 was erroneous, and, as
hr supposed, taken from the succeeding year.
Here Jr. HUME said, he took the estimates for
Dec. 1792. •
Lord PALMERSTON—Then the Honourable Gen-
tleman shews, that .he has attended the business of the
House with little advantage to himself, for he has
In:. taken the estimates of one year for the estimates of
another. In fact the estimates (for 1803), though
presented to that House, were never acted on. The
war broke out immediately after, and it became neces-
sary to have an enlarged .Military Establishment. To
send back the Government to 17920—t0 compare the
expenses of tile present day with the expenses of that
day, was not consistent with sound principle, or good
sense.. There was in point of fact, no staff iu 1792,
there were no regular returns insole, or accounts kept ;
Gentlemen who night after night call for papers and
returns, would find it impossible to obtain such returns,
if the system of 1791 were still followed. lie next
came to the public departments. The Honourable
Gentleman said that there was a great increase in the
expenses of the public departments—there was an in-
crease, but if the Honourable Gentleman would look
into the accounts, he would tiod that there was a great
reduction in the expenses of the public departments
since the tertnination of the war. if lie compared the
votes of 1814 with the votes of the present year, he
svonlal End a reduction little short of 80,000/. in the
expence of the public departments ; that fact, he
Loped, would go to phew that the Governmeut had
heed sedulous and sincere in attaining as much as
possible the desirable object of economy. It was of
very little use to shew what were the expellees of those
departments since 1792; the business of the country
was conducted now differently from the manner in
which it was conducted hear.)—lt was
conducted with more convenience, more accuracy, and
snore regularity—(hear, hear. hear! from the Ministe-
rial side).—To turn hack to 1792 —to allow hut the same
number of clerks—the same trairial establishment that
existed at that time, would be inconsistent and absurd.
As to the state of the public accounts, if Honourable
;entietnen would look to the state of the public accounts
at present, they would find that less money, less to a
very considerable amount, WAS flisposeel of to improper
purposes than was disposed of at the period alluded to.
The Honourable Gentleman said, that to settle the
arrears of the public accieotts was bat a were waste of
time. The House would oos by the returns that a suns
of 110,0001. of unsettled :irrears hail been recovered with-
in the last two years, a gout more than double the total
charges of the War !)flies—an office which Honourable
Gentlemen hail talked of the good policy of abolishing.
The lion. Gentleman hail ;04.) said, that the allowances
to superannuated persons were too large. The lions:,
he hope'', would feel that the country ought to deal
by persons who devoted some twenty, some thirty
yi.A.rs of their lives, to the public service, when infir-
mity and age required them to retire from the office.,
and rendered them, at the same time, incapable to turn
to any other occupation ; it would, he submitted, be in-
consistent with the liberality or the justice of a great na-
tion, not to mike a provision for such meritori ser-
vants. With respect to one illostrione individual, of
whom mention had been male, it was not neceesatet for
bins to remind the !loose of Commons that, for twenty
rears, he had setlitlouslv shot dot lei ; time to the ',Odic
service: his noble affib;tion, at a oreat crisis, was to
improve and strenotlicti the I; Army. The state
of that army, compare I with is hat it bad ever been
before, was a brilliant proof of the wisdom by which
it was re:Totaled : he oriabl volitive to say (Inglee.l,
thero was no man, he believed, who would not admit
the fact) that, if it w, le n-it fir the attention of his
Koval highness to the Army, and to all the details of
the various military 11-uartment hich had lorouzlit
the military system of this rottotr,. to a state of hilrlo
perfection, neither the olins of Wellinotun, nor the
slistingnished bravery and ties ..lion of the zallatit
army under him, composed of the three nation', awl
united in one wish to raise the Flory of the Empire --
yrt, if it were not for the superintendance of the Com-
mander-in-Chief at home, neither genista or bravery in
the field would have been able, in she late great woo.
pie, to have achiever! the independence and security of
England. The Nol,le !Aril concluded by shoving the
first Resolution, " Thst it appeared to the Continittee
tobe necessary to keep up a Land Force, for the pre-
sent year, of 51,106 officer' and men namely,
in (treat Britain, 14m•ritser. Ike.. 32..176 in the Colo-
nies abroad, and 20,77 S in Ireland."
Colonel DAVIES went into several argument. to
11110 W the necessity or senfli.or the Estimates to a Cum.
tnittce up stairs. He made a statement of some length
to prove that a great diminution might be made in
the military establishmenta without rendering them in-
:obviate to all the reasonable purposes of the State.
lie wen's', upon a Intu occasion, submit a re,oltt-
tints declaring it to he the opinion of the House, that
it would be expedient in give the preference for all ntti-
lttary to persons now oh half pay and
qualified toaerre. The Hon. Member entered into a
statement of the titinther of officers that were selected
from the Nlilititry College for service, and those taken
from the haltestahlishnient, shelving our unjeat pre•
ference in favour of the former. Ile next complained
of the expenditure of the establishment of the Riding
House in Pimlico, and considered it an useless esta-
blishment, although, incloding all expenses, it stood
the country in the yearly suns of 3,5t10/, He 11A0 aa-
verted to the expendititre of the Paymaster-General's
department : the Boman; of the salaries in this depart-
ment alone amounted to nu less than 21,000!.: and it
appeared that they slid not exceed 9,340/. in the year
1797. In the year 1792, the total expense of the de-
partment of the Secretary at War did not exceed
.15,235/... at present it amounted to 133.07-V. The
amount of the salaries al•me in the former period was
16.070/.; in loot; th..y came to 49,9;0/.; they were
now so high as 47,818/. Now he wished to know on
what pretet:ce this prodigious increase maid he justi-
fied ? The Hon. Ilelsher noticed the illernse In the
a:uount of the expense for the maintenance of the
Comptrollets of tit- Aeconcts of the Army Eztraordi-
naries, which he stated to he 12,00 W. He had no
other object than to have the items of expendituresin-
quired into, to soe where en, reduction might take
Place. He concluded by moving, 1 hat the Cimino:so
110 report progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The Gallery was :shoot to be clear:d fur a division.
when,
Mr. DAIVt24.I i ruse. I c °lawn ed, that he had

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hitherto snpported the present Adminii
Cane he believed in his conscience that
best calculated to maintain the interests of this noun-

try. But at a period like the present, when distress
stared them in the face from all quarters. it would be
practising worse than a delusion to deny that economy
in the strictest sense of the word, was not imperatively
necessary. but he would go further and say, that par-
simony—the most rigid parsimony alone could save
theeountry from the distress and ruin with which it
was threatened.—(Hear, hear.)—lle for one thought
the sum of 6,613,9661. too great a sum to be lavished
on the support of the army of this country.—(Hear.)
.....Of all the items of public expenditure, that for the
support of the army (to the present extent) could be
best dispensed with. In comparing the estimates
of the present with the last year, it was urged that
there was a saving of 163,-09f. Now it appeared to
him impossible that the country could go on under
such an enormous expenditure. Economy must begin
somewhere--(hear, from die Opposition Benches)—
and in no quarter could it be better practised than in
the military department.—(Hear, hear.)-It was not
his intention to trouble the House by entering into a
minute detail of the Army Estimates, or to point
out the different branches in which savings coati
be most effectually made ; but lie would go to the
Estimates of Ireland, a conntry with which he must
•be supposed to be better acquainted, and he wouldadt
where was the necessity of keeping up a force of 10,77$
awn in that country ? He maintained, that a consider- i
able portion of that frirce might with the greatest safety
be reduced.—(llear.)—lle did not believe that it was
ever in a more perfect state of tranquillity than it was at
present. But even if a spirit of disturbance were to
manifest itself in that country, which was not at all likely,
the Government possessed time power of checking it by
a much more constitutional force, the Police. In addi-
tion to the Police, the Yeomanry of the country might
be called upon, if necessary, and this was a force which
could be maintained at a much smaller expense than a
regular army. What then was the reason why such a
force was kept np ? Did they dread going to war? No:
it was a delusion to suppose so ; but if we were forced to
go to war, lie trusted that we should rely upon our naval
power, and not indulge in those Continental struggles
which hod already cost the nation so mach.—(hear.
hear.)—The House had heard much of the distresses of
the country. The Petition from Birmingham chewed
the ilepres.sed state of trade in that quarter; the Iron
Works of Staffordshire were at a stand still; he I ',1d01%
Trade, this. staple article of this country, was reduced to
the lowest ebb ; the Leather Trade, and, in short, all
branches of our industry were equally depressed. At such
a period, however, he had heard, and with considerable
alarm, a proposition to interfere with the public creditor.
ik for one would antler the greatest privation' rather
titan allow a breach of the public faith.—(clear.)—One
Hon. Member pointed out the National Debt as the
great monster of consumption. In another quarter was
tooted the ancient law maxim, memo maltsr ad laspna-
sibile .—(Hear, hear.)—Such doctrines would, lie feared,
have the effect of producing out of doors a hostile feeling
and of plunging the country into all the horrors of a civil
contest.—(Hear, hear.)—'the Honourable Member con-
cluded by stating, that though he could not vote for the
motion just made, be hoped that every possible re-
daction would be made iu the public expenditure of the
country.
Mr. IPHON.11.1) could not join in the tone of con-
gratulation in witiels the Noble Lord communicated to
the House the reduction of the expenditdße of the
army for Ike year as compared with that of the last, by
the sons of 1411,000/. because as compared with the
average amount of Imlfi and 1%17, the expenditure of
this year showed an excess of 1115,000/.; and as com-
pared with the average expenditure of the year 1414,
1419, 14211, it showed an excess rather than a reduc-
tion. The lion. Member, after some remarks on the
twevssity of reducing the expenditure, adverted to 31i-
Mary pay. Ile said that the amount of the pay might
to hear a !strict analogy to the pay of the laimouring
agriunltoriat and manufacturer. Now it would appear
on compamison, that the pay of the latter increased
since the year 1792. in the ratio of tire to two, whilst
the Fay of the former ( the soldier) increased in the
ratio of two to one. Ile dwelt, too, upon the expe-
diency of restoring the pay of soldiers, by the amount
of the increased value of money since the period when
their pay was augmented, upon the express ground of
the depreciation of the currency. He did not think
that they should begin with the soldiers ; let the pay
of officers he reduced ten percent., and notice he given
to all who may enter the service, that their income
would be reduced by that amount. The Hon. Member
then proceeded to the subject of the expenditure in-
curred by time maintenance of forces on foreign sta-
tions. lie thought that the superiority of our Marine
force ought to be sufficient for the i.rotection of our
Colonial Establishments, with the addition of a .mall
military establishment. The lion. Member proceeded
to observe upon the useiessnes of so extensive a milt-
Carr establishment as that now maintained by Great
Itsitaiti, and adverted to the dispersion of one of the
Largest assemblies of the people that was known
in th!s country, dispersed by about forty raw Teo-
manry. to show the indisposition of the pea-
pie to violence, and therefore the want of any ne-
cessity for a large military force. And erot after
these unhappy transactions, when time Gazeth was fall
of Addresses stating the overflow of sedition, imam.
ratite, and insubordinatiou throughout the country,
what did Ministers do? The.y disbanded the veterans,
and asked credit of that house fur economy. The
Hon. Member next proceeded to notice what he called
a phenomenon in the police of this country, namely,
the employment, not he said of a spy, or an informer,
but an instigator, who was always found to h in
direct connection with llovernment. He allotted parti-
cularly to tire case of Fletcher, who he said it now ap-
peared, carries' this odious system to an extent hitherto
unknown. But let the error of Ministers be what
they might, it was not too late for them to do a little
for conciliation, and a great deal for redo lion of ex-
penditure ; and if conciliation and relief were to he
practised in any quarter, they were the more especially
called for in Ireland, time character of whose people it
was to feel gratitude warm and permanent for kind-
nesses, and whose resentments were so quickly dissi-
pated. Upon the necessity of adopting !tom... conci-
liatory measures for that country he would no longer
insist, time subject was in much abler hand', and in
those hands be'would leave it, confident that it' success
could be obtained, it would be obtained by the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett.) The 'Hon. Mem-
ber next entered into sumac observations on the
state of our foreign policy. and said that no Minister
would do leis duty who did not dismiss from his mind
all notions of resuming miltary operations on time
C amtitment. lie slid not cute:lain any ;re:, hopes that

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the Noble Ltird was too pact 111 incased; foe 1.
loterconrse with German dipl b bed completely
spoiled him as a British politiciac The Hon.-Meng'
her after a few more obiervations, mid he felt it his
deity to vote for 1 redaction on those estimates of
10,1100 men, which redaction be would have mule in
the number of the forces to be kept up at home, with
affecting the establishments in the new or old Colonies.
He would hare then, instead of 81,000 in round num-
bers, a force of 71,000, which he deemed as large as
ought to be kept up in the present state of the country.
Mr. C. GRANT expressed his satisfaction to hear his
Honourable Friend who had just sat down speak with
so much emphasis of the tranquillity of Ireland, ear.
daily after the gloomy forebodings in which many Gen-
tlemen had iedulged, upon the discussion of the propo-
sition for re-establishing the Insurrection Act in that
country. But notwithstanding these prognostics
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proposition was rejected, and now it was found quite safe
to reduce the military force of that country NM men
below the establishment of the last year, whine, if that
proposition had been adopted, he had little doubt that
double the force of the last year would have been neces-
sary to guard Ireland against the consequence of such
a law—(hear, hear, hear!).—Hut the army in Ireland
might be still more reduced if it were not unfortunately
necessary, from the defective state of the police in that
country, to employ soldiers there, in such a manner as
they were seldom employed in England; hi such, for in-
stance, as the escorting of prisoners and the guarding of
gaols. It was, however, the endeavour and the hope of
the Irish Government gradually to relieve Ireland from
the necessity of leaning so much upon the army.—(Hear,
hear, bear!)—As to his Honourable Friend behind him
(Mr. Dawson), who was of opinion that the tranquil
state of Ireland, and the absence of discontent, render.
ed it unnecessary to keep up the amount of force which
his Noble Friend proposed, he called upon his Honour-
able Friend to go with him into the consideration of the
measure brought forward lately by a Learned Gentleman
on the other side (Mr. Plunkett), in order that he might
understand the grounds of discontent existing in that
country, and the necessity for removing them, with a
view to the permanent tranquillity of his native laud.—
(Hear, hear, hear!)
Sir R. 11. VIVIAN said he was surprises) at the in-
eonsisteney of the arguments used by the Hon. Memo
hers opposite. They would require of his Maieatv's
Ministers to interfere in the proceedings which are now
going forward on the Continent of Europe, and in the
same breath would deprive them of the money for su..-
cesaful interference. Ile would differ entirely from the
Hon. Member for Aberdeen with respect to the expe-
diency of keeping up only seventy-five regiments, and
those complete and then making lip new regiments ac-
-1 cording as the erre ire required iv. lie (Sir It. 11. Vivian)
was quite certain that it would be better to keep np a
large number of' skeleton regiments, which con'd be
tilled up at pleasure, than to make up regiments entirely
new, without discipline and without experience. If any
reduction was to take place it ought to he in the cavalry;
but with respect to the large moldier of officers an
half pay, he was certain that what they received would
scarcely pay the interest of the sums whirls they had
paid for their commissions. The Hon. Member then
alluded to the experiments made in the cure of the op-
t/so/mid, and other disor lers prevalent among the army,
and said the Medical Board considered that the lion.
Member opposite (Mr. C. Hutchinson) hail charged
them with a conspiracy against Sir William Adams, in
a speech which he made in that House.
Mr. C. 111"E1'HINSON said the greatest gratitude
was due both from the army and from the country to
e Noble Lord who, by continuing the experiments,
lad protected the army from the effects of that dread-
Col (barer,. In his opinion the Noble. Lord was right
in continuing them. In protecting Sir Win. Adams
from the base slanders uttered against him, he Mr.
Hutchinson) had guarded himself against the n e of
any improper expressions against the Medical Board,
and now be ruse to protect himself from the supposi-
tion of having ever said a conspiracy was formed by
the Medical Board against Sir Wm. Adams.
Sir It. 11. VIVIAN said in explanation, that the
Medical Board did conceive the Honourable Mem-
ber to mean, that they had conspired against Sir
W. Adams ; but he was glad to find they were mis-
taken.
Mr. BARHAM., amid loud calls for question, made
a few observation' in support of the motion.
Mr. DAWSt IN rose to correct a misunderstanding
of his Bight lion. Friend (Mr. Grant.) He Mr. (flew-
son) bail never meant to convey a censure on the Irish
Government, but to give a general admonition in fa-
vour of a system of economy in all branches of our ex-'
pensli tore. He haw! been of opinion that a reduction
might be made in the military establishment of Ire-
land, and that opinion lie retained. In ISt!, the
army in Ireland amounted to 20.607, in the present
year to 20,70 s mien. Ile saw nothiug in the present
condition of Ireland to require co large a number. In
1'420 invieed, Ireland had been disturbed, and he had
voted for a Committee to inquire into the state of it,
(not for the Insurrection Act.) Bnt in argning the
Estimates of 1,421, they were not to be governed by
the necessities of 11.120.—(11ear, hear.)
Mr. BEIINAt observed, that as there were a great
number of Members who had come into the House late
in the diarnaaistn, it was necessary to inform theta
what the question was. His Hon. and Gallant Friona
was for the appcintment of a Select Committee ta ex-
ercise its judgment on the statesurnte of the Noble
Lord (Lord Palmerston.) In order not to clog the
wheels of Government, they were willing to pass a
temporay Mutiny Bill, and to grant a limited supply
till the Committee should come to a determination.—
Ile called on those Gentlemen who canc.! themselves
neutral, to support, for the sake of their character arid
consistency, this motion.
Mr. C. GRANT explained.
Mr. BENNETT said, he could not give a vote with-
out having the items in the Estimates explained and
discussed ; he should, however, be as brief as possible.
He wools) wish that the Honae should know that the
country was not able to bear the burden of the taxes
flow attempted to be imposed on it. The Committee
of that House appointed in lull, recommeuded a re-
duction of the various establishments to the state in
which they stood in 1792. They wished an approxi-
mation as nearly as possible to that highly advantage-
ona establishment. The Noble Lord says it is impos-
sible to revert to that establisionent,--but it should be
answered, that . the country is unable to sti;sport
any greater.. lie was sure & considerable reduction
could be made of at least 10,000 men. The question
was, what defence was necessary for England
and Ireland. •He thought 47,000 would be
quite sufficient for these,' and about fifteen thousand
men for the old colonies, making altogether
a force of• 'sixty .sevep thonsandi lie should
purpose uottrning to the year. 1792, because 0i1....
was in addition' a force not existing in'llP2, he mss it
the several Gorr of Yeomanry, which amounted tv

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air time mashie. tail/Alf Tkisse, with the regular
threes, emousted altegetiseile 168,2641. in 1816, or
1817, England 'bad bet '15,700, We' old Coldnles
13,000, the new Colonies i3,e77: era lielie6 25,000,
which made In all= 66,777 men. 13,000 of which
Would be enough fot Wand; lirorti'Mid fortresses
bad been buitt.'and other eoinitruclitlai raised, which
scooted to himmere follies, atiewOnii than follies, if
they were to cause such eiperile in keeping a.;
guarding them. What he would Mik, was to be taken
'Way, unless ship anchor's, anti •oti4r lumber of that
bind ? lie did not know what Was meant by keeping
ep garrisons at'Portsmontli; Plymouth,. and ("lath tm.
Let the House consider the people, and not the Noble
Lords opposite. Cnt down this unnecessary and ex-
pensive establishment, and the country will go on
better. There was at present greet distress, with a
great additional establishment. They had a Com-
mittee up stairs to consider the petitions Of the people,
and to these petitions they ought to attend.
hoed CASTIIEREAOH said, that it.was proposer)
by his Noble Friend, in opening the estimates, to make
a reduction of 10,00 Q in, the military establishment of
last year, and it was now proposed to reduce 10,000
more, Ouly 17.000 was required for the old colonic.;
and when they considered the extent of their posses-
sions, they could not think that too large a number.
15,000 had been proposed for the new colonies. He
would not agree with his Honourable Friend, that they
should increase the number of their force, in conse-
quence of any disturbances on the Continent of Europe,
particularly Naples. He (Lord Castlereagh) did not
think one man should be added to their military or na-
val establishment on account of those disturbances.—
(Hear. hear.)—The Hon. Member (Mr. Rennet) does
not quarel with the forces in the Colonies, but wou:d
allow 17,000 for the old, and 1.5,000 fir the new Co-
lonies, and 17,000 for India; but he thinks -le,ttilo
sufficient for England and Ireland, of which 8,000 are
cavalry, an 15,000 are part's. Rut where cool.'
find relief for the armies abroad, if he reduced
the nintiber at home, frgin width supplies were
always drawn to fill up the deficiencies abroad ?
lite (Lord Castlereagh) would readily admit they had
Isecurity front all danger at home—but lie would fou::,1
all his arguments on the necessity of .affording sup-
plies to the forces in the Colonies. He would not
tend the present as a permanent establishment ; hut
he contended that after tiovernment had wisely triel
to itial4e all possible reduction, and caine to the deco.-
Initiation to reduce 10,090 first, a further reduction
ought not to be pressed on them. Thellon. Member
for Aberdeen had opened a great extent of detail, an I
at the close asserted that a sum of 3 or 1,090,000/.
might I.? saved to the nstion, hot he does not mentino
how these extravagant offices lie talks of are to be
reduced. That hail been an opportunity for the lion.
Member, and lie (Lord Castlereagh) could assure him
no one would hear the suggestion witlimore pleasure
than himself. It sea. iinpossible (Jr any nian, whys
had a sincere regard fur the honour and interest of
r his country, to say Ora its services could be earrie 1
on at a less expense, or with a less amount of military
force. But even if a reduction were made in any part
of our force, the diminution of the expense won h?
comparatively trilling ; when it was considered that
great saws were given annually in pensions. Mur,;!4
stress had been laid os the comparison between the
peseta establishment and the establishment of 1;92 ;
but he contended, that the increased expense of the
present establishment over that of 1792 was not toot
than about 900,0011/. when he considered that the ex-
isting establishment was applicable to the general
scale of our services and expenditure. He was at
ready as any member in that House to save whatet••• •
could be saved ; hat it was a mere delusion upon h.!
people to tell them that any savings could be made i-4
the public expenditure which could alluril them relief.
It 4% as a delusion to -ay that the House of Com-
mons had the power of granting any such relief.
—(lleat, hear.)---:144 pretested against such languar",
because it Wit the language not only of-exaggeration
but of inflammation.—(Loud cries of hear, hear.)—
To tell the peoide of this country, labouring, as they
certainly were, under great distress, that any saving 4
were likely to be niade which could relieve those dis-
tres-es.
Mr. CALCRAFT said he should adhere to the lan-
guage and sentiments he had ever maintained on thaw
subject; and the House must not forget that,, four or
live years ago, the Noble Lord et:Aston ly said that the
number of troops whatever they might he, were not more
than the country stood in need of. If 41,000 men were
suflieietit at this time, bow could the Noble Lord 41.-
that 100,000 men were indispensably necessary role
years ae-o ? But the Noble Lord never cared about any
expen.liotre, however great it might he; and now wh••:t
the ef tory was iturtliencti with such an enormous ex-
penditure, he teld the Howie, that no part of that 4.--
penditti re could hts reduced. He (Mr. C.)contended th .t
two or three millions might be saved annually, and ter tt
the affairs of thesenuntry might then he carried on as well
as under the present extravagant administration of the
Noble Lord. What occasion, he asked, was there for
I I,rt I 2 Guard*, who constituted an immovable 'Or.,
and who were more by 4,000 than the Citardsin 179 ?
What necessity was there for 20,000 troops in Ire-
land, where there were only 12,0011 at the time whelk
Bonaparte threatened us with invasion ?" He wuuld
put it to the House whether it wou:d not be necessary
to yield to circumstances, when we were iri a stoic of
onexamphol distress ; and to redueb a great part of our
establishment whirl, was not wanted ? He should be
happy always to see a powerful navy kept up: and it
we should 1)c. obliged to take any part in the present
war in Italy, lie hoped in Goo that not a singly British
soldier wntild'he sent there, and that all out; efforts would
be confined to our navy.—(llear, hear.) As to. the ex-
pense of •elerks in otheee,lie declared that they might
toil there all their lives without being able ever.to lay
up one shilling for their families. If reductions-in sa-
laries were to take pluce • they ought to hr made its the
salaries of some of the lionourattlepentlemen opposite.
SThe Noble Lor.l thrived t aikeld at this remark.) Ile
id not, however, Mean to sayiltaf the Noble Lord, fill-
ing' the high amid import ini •situtatron he did, tvls
overpaid:. He &Inled to floit(tsielieres Whil•ls hail been
raised in tonsiuptence of tWaditanee In all. the neces-
saries of tile, sod whiettontplitestoes -to •bo.!reduceti, at
those necellraries had faJleutsti=:* • . .• •
11r. lIVSKISSON amain •airek,4lo military
eatabli shun At, of this Tree statAltsis :thigitire greater
than the servile of ilia .Ifig.was
happy to ilsaf**6l- S•ble rebtrote that he did to .c
propose a siegle maseititit• id4w otctaking nay part
in the hostilities in the Continent ; Ike at the sane
time isb•mhst Wens WeilVtte depelei en r-
.elves 'of the Mena i Ilf't ieirkggressien if It
ahouhl ilereseary. r.)444ii0 Mee w tbea we

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