The Statesman.
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THE STATESMAN

call upon you to emote year laws, to fulfil your
Treaties, and to make your promises valid."—
When this law is loosed, and found to be Joel-
hetes', the King of Spain ought to come forward,
backed by the Ansphictionic Council of Europe,
the sesembled filagree", end say, R I bid you base
not yet doneenough, end yea must do more to secant
the feltilmeni of your engagrosents." Ministers
might then find it necessary to have a police to pre.
veut emigration, sod to woke this country a prison ;
or, as it had been said by a Dutch jurist, dales
cadre. But even this might not be sefficisot ;
some persons alight even still escape to join the
enemies of Spain; and the character of Its Moe
much sight be abased in Eneland. Pressing no the
yielding disposition of our Government, be might
thus interfere with the Liberty of the Press,
frilliog them, " Yoe are too free; you have a
Press which does nut spare even Kings : while your
present liberty eaisu, you comsat prevent that
obese, and you most therefore abolish your lithely,
es
this only means of preserving your nestrality."—
He was the more opposed to the present Bill, when he
considered that it was only one of s multitude of mire.
sores which seemed to be in contemplatioo ; and that
it went, peel jore, with another obnoxious Act, the
Alien Act. He would not proceed one step farther
in such a policy. It would be seperilocios to answer
She argument for push% the present Bill, &tired '
from the @Rialto(' of oar Trimly with Spain. That
Treaty merely referred to arms and warlike stores;l
and it scold be a cation drscripti.on of a soldier to
bring him under the description of arms and warlike
StOrn. It was well known at Congress, that that
Treaty had no refereoce to eulistmeot, and 'hat itsde.
.cienry wascomplained olio the UriliVl lliiii•ter these.
These arguments were hots be admitted, sufficient to
make es reject the Bill. We might ionprove user
laws, although the change were not dictated by fo.
reignites. The question was one merely of re-
pedieucy and policy, which we were at perfect liber-
ty to support or oppose, 00 the sole ground of oar
own interest. Ile would therefore enquire what fa-
vour we had received from Si. tin for such a boon,:
and what dry we owed her in return Ile would
toy nothing offensive of the present Sovereign of that
country ; he would not discuss his character, nor
speak of the atrocious evils of his Government. Ile
could consider Ferdinand the Seventh only with
reference to his telethon to this country ; but
if we were railed upon to vary from our pre.
tent state el neutrality in favour of Ferdisiand
the Seventh, then he most consider the character
of Ferdinand Vii. in order to anertaio whether
he was entitled to mob a favour. Ile would enter
into a history of every incident in Ferdinand's life,
which indicated his cl.sracter ; it would be sufficient
to allude to a few of his public actg. The first tirt of
his public life which merited son, was his Treaty
with Napoleon Boonton,. In that Treaty he had
engaged to drive the English iron; s out of the Perlin-
rola, and this be had engaged to do in co-operation
will, the French army. In that 'Frosty he had fa.
veered the commerce of France over the commerce
pi EnAtaml. This Treaty Ferdinand never rejected,
as not binding upon him. It had been rejected only
by the Cortes, by the men whom he threw into lien.
genera. By no public act had Ferdinand ever dis-
claimed that Treaty. List it oat now pretended,
that the Treaty of 181.1 wiped all this away. Will,
he would a-la any Noble Lord upon the other side,
he woold ask soy Lord in office, whether, with ra-
mpart in thecomarercial interests of this country, the
King eat Spain had not violated every friendly irtension
espresmed io the Trimly of 1811. Ih the year 1796
there was a duty of 15 per cent. upon English goods
imported into Spain; it was now 9U per cent lu this, I
too, the superior favour to France was Manifest, for
the duty Non French Fords, which in 1799 was IS
per cent., was now only 30 percent. He knew Chit'
it was alleged that every hies el renewing the Nattily
compact had been renounced , but be also knew that
there was as this moment no ssionlation to p t
the renewal of it, or to prevent Spin from acting
upon it. Ile Foetid, therefore, see nothing to entitle
Ferdinand VII. to what was a mere matter off .
He sew nothing its the character or condeet of Fer-
dinanil to entitle his to a sacrifice of the interests,
and whet was stronger, of the feelings of the Peo-
ple of Great Britsio.—(llcar, hear, hear!)—
Ile wished twit to advert to the effects of this
maniere upon the half-pey officers. If he bad,
as mach as the Noble Earl, encouraged the military
spirit which bed prevailed so strikingly in this coon.
try lately, not, he hoped, to the danger of its price,
and stability ; if he hid yi-enraged this military ar-
dour so much as the Noble Eirl, he would slot lose
spoken so lightly upon that subject as the Noble Earl
had done. It was, indeed, manifest to Earrs, to
the world, and to this couniry,how mtreb we ono suf-
fered from the eucnoragement of that tr.llitary spirit.
We had thrown off the mask, and we heard no more
of the prosperous situation of the country notwith-
standing the war. We heard, it was tree, in the
Speech from the Throne, and in the Address of
that Houle to the Throne, that the country was
in a state of increasing prosperity; but It was now
admitted by all. that the country was in a most dis•
tressed and moat difficult situation.—illear, hear!]
—South America afforded an opening for our
commerce, sod gave suitable employment to tor
(fishmeal soldier, and half-pay Officers. Already
some degree of alleviation bad begun to be felt in
consequence of oar intercourse with Seeds America;
but the effect Otitis Bill would beta discountenance the
Insurgents, and to break through the friendly rel..
deo in which 'renew stood to them. Let it be recollected
ton, that this Bill was calculated to counteract the
natural dial:asides' of ibis country to preserve a
(deadly intercourse with America, and even to emi-
grate to its provinces. The Noble Esti had there-
fore entirely misunderstood, he would not use •
stronger teon—hut the Noble Earl bad entirely mix.
apprehended awl misendersinoil this subject, when
he void that it arose net of the state of this country.
On the contrary, be would say, that this was Forel,
• question of expemlieticy, mid that those who should
argue for it, were therefore booed to show that the
interests of this country required that we should fa-
vour Ferdinaud inot• than Smooth America.

eply was mivy—they had no rights bet those of the
party to whom they assisted. The Noble Fart bad
.rated, that there was a person who called himself Sir
Creenr M'Gregor, who had ender Bedell coloon
completed a Smallish town. Now, with regard to
person's title, be might wow. any one he chow,
and if hearted seder the British dag..this Rill would
nut prevent him, as it merely affected these enlisting
lu foreign aenice. Ile (Lord Holland) latishd agree
chat Me Government ought not to encourage such en.
terpeises. Ile agreed, that we ought nut to make
year no vitiate of the parties; mud he admitted that ion-
per/Wilt constituted neutrality. A Sovereign might
be tolled upon by sane betlieersiot party with whom
he wasitt alliance, toweverat his subjects from enter-
ing Into the 'Pi vine of lissome, so as to be employed
against it. The Sovereign might testae hi. Pipelines.
lion, prohibiting his subjects from enlisting ; and
If they did so after that Proclamation, they would
be guilty of a high misdemeanour, sad might be pu-
nished acrordiagly. Bet this was all that a liel.
ligerast State could ask. It could not demand
from the Sever** a change I. the municipal laws
of his dominions, or a meddratien of them, to suit
its coinewienee. The Noble Earl bad said, " Look
to the United States, and see what they hove
done ;" bet he had net adverted to the difference
between the power of the Ezecutiee in this coon.
try and the American Uniuu. The President of
the United Stales had net the power like the Sove-
reign of England. of making peace and war; and
therefore, as the Emotive hall not the right of en-
forcing peace, a foreign State had the right of de.
mending a law from the Legislature to prevent war.
The sample of the United Slates was therefore no
precedent fors, where
the Executive *treacly pos-
sessed the right which a particular law was there re.
gels'', to confer. Ile (Lord Holland allowed Met
Parlisment had a tight to pen a similar law, but the i
questine was one merely of espedieney, and'not con.
steeled with the duty of atonality. The Noble F.arl,
in recurring to inning usages, had found out that
the state of things was so different when the chief
Instances of enlisting late foreign service took place,
that the precedent could not apply at pretest; he
bed found eat that the Kings of this cavalry were
°Miami to support the Protestant cause against Ce•
Shone Sovereigns, however mach they professed to
be sl peace with those Sovereigns. Ile had even tip.
peered to maistain that what would have been a
breach of neutrality if dose by indivilloale, was no
each breach when coorived at or authorized by
the Government. In persolag his origami:it, he
had made the strange admission, that though the Acts
of George 11. were repealed, Spain scroll not be
able to get a man, while numbers vioutil continue to
flock to the standard of the Independent. It thus
appeared that if we admitted pai:in to equal
eights, we could have no neutrality... It was now
owed that we had many of out' sehjens iu the rinks
of the Americans, and it was evident therefore that
tee present eseesele would operate partially spinet
them. Thee we must have partiality on one side
or the other; bet the partiality of the fun.: r case
reseltett from our ancient lair and the feelings of in-
divisive's; while in the latter, it would remit from
the proposed enactment, and the prink* councils
of Minigten. 1111 Came now to make an ol•-rave.
Ikon or two on the pretence stated fur the licence
to enter foreign service, ie the times immediately
secceedine the Reformation, The Noble Earl said
that such licence arse given to support the Proteatent
interest. IMI the Noble Esti, who was an enemy
of the Catholics, and who believed that one of their
tenets was to keep no faith with titmice, not see
that the tendency of Ilk obsetritions was to affix s
sioa:lar sigma on the Protestasits, and to admit that
tlie Protestants kept no faith with Catholics ?-111 I
boil stated, that through these miens the balance of
power was preserved. Was there formerly a Wince of
power, end was there none now, after all our boast.
ell successes, after *spending so much blood and
treasure, end after imposing tsars that almost ground
the People to dust ?-13at be did not DO to what
the observation about the Protestants tended. lie
would state a fact—that when the Treaty of 1604,
made with King James for preventing Englishmen
(rile enlisting in the service of the Hatch provinces
against Spain, was complained of as infringed, the Eng-
lisit Government answered, tbatit assisted neither of
the parties, and placed both on a level. Nothing was
said then about the Protestant jargon. The Noble
Lord gent. d a similar reply in defence of the Dutch
subject soy hn emend th e service of Ike Bishop of Mon-
ster. Bat those might be minowl old prendents.—
Ile would, therefore, direct the Noble Earl's view to
what took pine se lately as 1791. Did se persons
then from this country enter into foreign service ?
11. would read an wind from the Annual Hinter
of that year, which was, he allowed, an anonymous
work, hut was reported to be written under the so.
perintendence of hlr. Burke, and by a friend of his
own (Dr. Lawrence), nut much inferior in political
knowledge to himself. The passage he would quote
referred to the assistance lent to the Low Countries,
and Void, that the spirit of enterprise, which was at
all times cannon, had led a number of Gentlemen
there to assist their neighbours: and es the Court of
Great Britain and hire Ministry were not supposed to
be adverse to the project, they were allowed to go we.
glehrotrt. They write tereived with open arms, and were
appointed to command bodies of troops. They were even
so numerous that they terve called the English legion.
lie (Lord Holland) did out mein to say that this was
a declaration of the Law of Nations; but it showed
bow the doctrine of ealistunots its foreign service was
received by wise and able men formerly. He might
even allude to the manner in which the Bill now be.
fore the House would effect Spain itself, where there
were (puberty whole regiments of English subjects.
Ile was afraid that he bad said too moth on the sob.
pet of usage and seibority. Ile would now go no to
state the dangers that might result from this new &c-
-oign of neutrality. Hit was a dote which we took
open ourselves to provost individuals from engaging
. in any foreign service, Wires at war might demand
the execution of that duty.. Spain might come and
soy, " You have signed a Treaty with me : you have
hewed a Proclamation to enforce the stipulations of
that Treaty : this Proclamation hes not teen •ffee-
teal, and Lord Gastiereegls has told at Corm's,
that nothing else could bed one without a law ; het I
find that no law has beau pissed, that troops go out
tp join my enemies, and that all your promises
hays bees falsified. I have, therefore, a right to

The Esrl of WESTMORLAND supported the
Bill. It barites its object to prnerve terms of peace
and neutrality between this country end Spain.—The
Noble Lord (Holland) did not teem in take a proper
rico of it. It was sot ISICISWIS of ruristato•,bat

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of prevention. For this purpose the Common law Mil founded mother <MS yrilit "ear 11—
was sot sufficient, became by the Common law Go. TM allimilleeeslikif were et acing to this qamisom
. 40. Indepeod ent St
ates
hat he
of
vermiest could only act after the Whom was coin. bore it Nolo And upon •
witted, end whoa the persons gOilly bete beyond Amerin).-.9llllWebleieMs was really to say t
their reach. In considering tide Bill, they had no. should not adhere to the Inhaled state of the law,
Using to do with the conduct of the K.* of Spain. where it pave `rest assistance to one of the parties,
If he bad acted oefeirly to this coentry, if ho had and refused it to the other. " Under this law,"
broken treaties, and shown mote f to other said the Noble Marquis, your Lordship" should
nations, he trusted that they would still be capable consent to pass it, thete is a complete prohibitioe 01
of maintaining their rights, and that they would bass arms and ammenitioa to the lodepeadents; and yet,
too mach h to endeavour to avenge themselves at this very moment, yen are media( arms to Old
by a breach of neutrality. They had nothing to do Spain. It must be well known, for the Polak Print.
with the merits of either party. whether they were base openly stated it, that the espedition fees CAW
fighting the came of Liberty and Independence, or has been delayed for the purpose of receiving arms
that of II aid superstition. It was said that from this country. So oath for the strict impar.
the commercial interests of England would be injor. tighty andjastice of his Majesty's Ministers.--(lieorn
ed by the nimlatioas of the Bill. lie could sunsets i —At this very momeet, I say. you are furnish.
how a measure to prevent the subjects of this country int materials.—[No, we. from Lord Ilerrowby.]-..
from unnecessarily engaging in a war • could injure lam happy that the Noble Lott contradicts this.—
her commercial interests. To produce animosity by tit has been publicly stated in the Newspapers, acid
assisting either party was more Itkely to iujore those i hitherto it has not been denied. I shall be glad
interests. All were not of the same opinion in tugs if he can _say that no 'only will be sent to Spent.
respect. Ile held in his hand a Politics from a :only ; —But if I teed this Act rigt.tiy, be will find it dire
of English Merchants, who stated that the simaments l kelt to slate that arms m. 7 not be sent. It Ii
fisting out here, and the regiments raising for the; not became aims have sot been sent, that they
support or the Insurgents, would be highly ittlarions; may not be sent to Spain. I bare sin heated°. in
to trade, and throw trout oat of employment.' deelaritig, that this law oiil give to the Goverff-
UP (Earl Westmorland) was always of °pillion, that meet of Old Spain that assistance which MI.
the strength of a country cots Cited in i s poison. t 'liners, professing the spirit of strict netitra:ilr, ores
tion, and that it was the duty cf Government to anxious to withhold from the colonies."— [new
protect them by all means in its 'weer. Who italeed, when he looked a: this question it. all its vs.
were there that needed protection more, or claimed mous points, he could wish that their Lordship" would
:treater -ttention than the brave won who fought and place thernsems fairly before the object, and conn.
bled in the service of their counted ? Lot sty per. l der maturely bow these transactions would appear is
son look to the Insistent they smiled in South • the eyes of posteri'y . Every men who bad a heart
Atomic', the sufferings and miseries those !eminence.) to feel must desire that the independence of Sortie
who embarked in the cause of the losergents, and • America might be estabitshed• The love of liberty
say whether it would not be peeper •n the part of . which peissileii is. tl.is county mutt create a disgust
E•teland to prevent others from proceeding in the lof tyranny wherever it existed. We hail long en.
same career. The object of tads maser' was to re. I joyed the blessings of independence, and lie trusted
peel the 9.h and 29th of George 11. and pueblo Go. I that the time was net far diatom when they would
veinnsmit to interrupt persons in their course, who : be experienced is that 'saner of the globe.
were about to commit the Crime Conletnploted rw Anse f " Nowise obi primes ripen Ones' all Ivo srestis.
Acts. The mime was felony by the law as it stood i " Ilhc sera 'mem umcnit humus vesper."
He agreed with Isis Noble Friendf • at the Bill ought
at present, bet it could not operate sun! the !Minn,
were beyond their reach. Ought the twitter be left to be divided into two parts, be thought lust by to.
in this situation ? The Noble Lord (II •Iland) said, Pasting the ions) statutes so often alluded to,
letveol the 9th and 29th, but leave the Mimic' to be • perfect measure of neutrality would be dealt eat
punished by Common lAw. This might be-solficient ito Ohl Spain ; but he would not consent to that
with respect to Powers with which they were simply part of the Bill which prohibited our subjects from►
at peace; hut it should be recoll•thd, that there was minting in the service of say Government whatever.
an armicur rierpler and awicus cworfirdere. They had i The Earl of 11ARROWBY acknowledged that
entered into a Treaty with Spain, by which they • be had certainly said that the leaning of his own snail I
hound themselves to a strict neutrality, i b eat, that peruses might engage in foreign service ;
whirls it wee inconsistent that her enemies should but he limits.; this by adding, that it mast be cons'.
be senlied frous this country with arms. am. dered whether they were nr were not allowed by their
~,,,;sjon, at n.,n. Ile would ague with the I own Government to mopes in that service. (The
Neill. Lunt (Holland) that the King of Spain had Noble Earl then read several passages foam Groins
no right to call upon them to slier their lAws, but I sad Vatted, is order to prove that one citatory hid
he had a right to call upon them for the performance i so right to interfere with another, unless it derived
that rightfrom the principle of self-defetice.) As to the
of the treaty. The same might be said ith reference
to Spain on the truly for the suppression of the Slave / Government hating been Induced to adopt the present
Trade. They could not call erne h-r to alter her measure in cons. gootice of an appeal from other
Isoa, if she proemial! they were inconsistent with that i Pt were, be shonW observe, that no appeal against a
treaty, hut they could call upon her to fulfil it strictly, right would he attended to. There were not W.
and she would hr boundito adopt the necessary ewe. I stances wanting, sod he could show them, where an
sores for that purpose. lime was a treaty with that t apneal had been made against the dearest of our rights
Power, in esi'tenre since the-yt'ar Is: 1. and upre j —the liher•y of the p.m', and that too by the font
they now to refuse the furfileneat of it ? Another Powerful State in Earope • but the uppeal would net
,'
ohjection that had been m4llO upon the delay that had be listened to; an oor dovernment would not fors
taken piece on ibis suhjo. r. he should answer by mat. moment attend to SO SPOliCit.l4/11 which went to in.
ire, that In the first place, it bad net been amid. fringe what it held la be so sacred sod dear to the
voted that the system of entering into frirvigis service Costly,. But without any appeal, it w.sid not be
would have hero carried to so great an eslent : and deterred from en act of jostles to two cowending
secondly, becouse it had been hoPedr that by media. I parties—the only justice which was required at nee
lion a good understanding might bass been restored hands—that of observing the most strict neotastilhno
het items the Colonies mod the parent country; it had I tweed each. With respect to the assistance which
likewise been hoped that the Proclaseafinti ibat hail might have been given in the exportation of
been issued. would have bad the desired effect. For arms, no argument meld be dedeced.—That ex.
these reasons he should support the motion, that the Partition was on a very limited male es far as
Home do resolve into the Committee. I Spain was concerned. In 1816, the number of guns
Lord HOLLAND raplaitted. .sported to her from this country, was only seem ;
The LORD CH A NCF.1.1.011 moved that the lin 1817 i twelve; in ISIS, two handfed and twenty;
Acts 9 and 29 of George 11., and two similar Acts I and up to the early part of 1819, there were ono
passed by the Irish Parliament, be referred to the theasand four bemired and does. The whole
C.immittee. Slone discussion here arose upon a pow ismount of stores. ammunition, &c., in that sieve did
of form, whether instructions to the Committee might not osoeled the Moo of 16,0001 It eel" not, the°,
to be moved upon she tendon, " that the House re. be said, that Spaia had derived much Havasu fruit
solve itself info■C
„nitive of lb. whole Hoes.," this country, es far es the supply of sons and am.
which was now the question before the Moue, of munition were commuted. As to even, it was not
moon the ulterior question. " that the House do Pretended that any assistance in itiat way was dew
stow resolve itself into the said Committee."
rived from ngland. It was said, that it was a
The Lord Chancellor, Lord Holland, and Earls st range "posies of usetrality to giveE
In one Power a
Literpool, Grey, and Spencer, hook part is this dn. prepooderence over the other. Ile denied that the
cu..inn. I object of his Majesty's Government was to eve a
'l'l.e 11110100nss that the Boon resolve itself into a I support to either.
Committee of the whole House," ass pet sod agreed I The Marquis of BUTE opposed the Bill. Ile did
tn. i not see the necessity of meeting a new law to provide
The I.OIW CHANCELLOR nest moved. that' for what was already aufkiestly provided for by az•
the ser..r.-1 Acts on the sol'ject of Foreign Untwist j hating Statutes.
be ref, mod to the Committee. I The Earl of CARNARVON was afraid that this

The Marquis of I,A NSDOWN said, that bel
net be contradicted when Ise stated tbat Ibis Bill
was introduced not Upon the grornd of g►werel policy,
but in censequesce of a specific application from the
Court of Spain, and that the whole light of general
policy bad burst upon them In consequence of this
application.—(A *Gold not re:er to
many authorities; be would only allude to one who
might stand in lien of any other, because he did not
so much give any original opinion as reduce the opi-
nions end doctrines of others into a sort of compen-
dium. Tb. writer to which he referred was Martens.
Martens stated, that it was consistent with perfect
neutrality to give every assistance to either of the
belligerents, except netlike expeditions.—(Gherer
frees the Ministerial side.)—Weppild the Nubia
Lord', on the other aisle, say that the ?flints of In.
ditidoals in the South American !liaise could be termed
warlike expeditions? This could ...Abe pretended, and
nothing acrording its Martens, wag to he refuses,.
This Noble Karl had 'sated, that Queen Elizabeth
was she first m hn Ind allowed sehjerts to engage ps a
I war, with ►especct to which the Government main.
'shunt a neutrality. The umlaut's of the Nrbte Karl
on Isis point were rnth•r surprising, !wean•., whew
referring to QOPPI, Elisahet Is, who atisswed her soh.
jects to engage in the wan of Neetral rimers. " No,"
said the Noble Ku!. " Abe did not allow Ler sohjnta
to 6zbt for the two Ikllig•rentr, she allowed them
to fight on one aisle only." Ilia orpiment was, that
the Queen never allowed Proi•sraos. to
lies, but Protestant, only. I;ut if Queen esh
was able to enforce thi4 ;policy. whence •rose the in.
!Stacy of the Comm, n lass tin whit-h the

Bill was sot introduced so much at the instance of a
Power which bed claims freer its weakness, as from
one which was strong in its strength. Was not the
siteatioa of Spain and of this country much changed
since the year 1814, When the Treaty, on which so
mach stress was laid, was first contracted Had es
events recently taken place, which were calculated to
affect the interests of Great Britain ? Hui net Spain
ceded to America that very Colon), which of all her
other Colonies was most important to the welfare of
oor Trans-Atlantic possessions ? Had not this very
cession,which Spain bad plonked hersr!f never tomtits,
except with the consent of this country, been defend.
ed iu their Lordships' floosie on the lunar .1 that Spits
was so imbecile as not to have ginner to prevent it ?
Was it SilffiCiPlll to say, " We will force oar
jects to retire from this contest," without even cassis
tiering whether the withdrawal of them would benefit
either the cause of Spain, or of this country ? If
every Bri•ish sohjvct who was inclined to hassrd his
fortune and his life in this struggle were to be pie•
rented from passing from this country to America,
sees there any probability that Spiin would veer re-
inter the ginner ow once wielded ewer it ?
tint each of her Coinsties, outs after another, fall
I victim to the &entice and ambition of soother great
weer It %Vesta net the fate of Fkeitle soon become
the fate of Niesico?--Ellear, hcar!)—lf lie had
heard the Noble Ertl vie,' who had broe,:tlt in
This Mil, he Mad siiil that British troops, with 1.1:11e
iliwiptine and valour which distinguish thesis, had
been sent out. in such numbers as C.14:1i 11,4 I."
to d. tide the conflict in (senor . ( t side
I *Lich they attached theintetes; e..; s !, to li.•

greet write, the same Noble Lord bad afterwards
made malty touching appeals to the feelings of the
Hour, regerding the necessity of preventing OS,
couture's hom embarking in a cause to which it
was certain that they must alternately fall a sacrifice.
Ile mild not help saying that be was much astonish.
ed at this i isteney in the Noble Lord's tree-
aunts, as also at the very extraordinary mode in
which he had made ■n appeal to their Lordships'
feelings t having marshalled all the Dutch and Ger-
man jurists in his reeks, having turned ell the scraps
and quotations which could be taken from them to
the very best use to which ingenuity could turn them,
he had made en address to the feelings of their Lord-
ships, In order to attract them to that side against
which all their wivhes most naturally be directed :
fur he had, In a contest of millions struggling for
liberty againat lb. moot debased sod arbitrary despot
that ever exited—be had, in a struggle betwees
tl.e UtPrillfli of the rights of humanity and that
Sovereign • lio had promulgated the re-establish-
ment, though torture was abolished in every coin-
try of Europe, eacept indeed a remnant of it
were to be found in the kingdom of Ilenever—
(lfeer!)—he lid endeavoured to excite their pas.
Muria In support of the cause of tyranny, whilst he
►ad endeavoured to damp them iu behalf of the cause
of freedom. He thought that upon such a subject
the Noble Lord ought not to have bad recourse to
my declamatory topics, or, at least, that he ought
not le have recourse to such trpies us were ululat-
ed to propagate an ides that the infasiou of British
valour and discipline into the American army would
loud to a more fierce sad sanguinary termination
of the struggle than weed otherwise take place.
—Now, if be knew any thing of the valour and
discipline of a Bri.;sh soldier, the infusion of
those civilities of which he was in possession, into
the bosoms of the American Insurgents, would
lead to a more fair., • more mild, and a more equit-
able coultssios of the quarrel. If their Lordships
should pus the present Bill into a law, they would
pus a law which would not merely he iojarioes to li-
berty ire get eral,bat to the interests of Great Britain in
particular ; and which, at the same time that it would
Note es, would not be productive of any ultimate
advastage to that Power in whose behalf it was in-
leaded to operate.
As soon es Lord Csroarvoo ►ad taken big seat, a
cry of Question arose, and we had nearly left the
House, when we were recalled to it by the following
motion of Lord Ilollaod :
Lord HOLLAND wished to know whether any
demand had been mad* by Spain for an alteration of
our laws upon this subject, end whether the Noble
Loud would have any objection to the production *fibs
Correspondence which had passed bew.en the Eng.
fish and Spanish G overtimeots regarding it?—He also
-wished to know, whether the Noble Earl would ob-
ject to the production of all the Licences granted by
an Order of Council, permitting esportatiun of arms,
*c. to Old Spain ?
The Earl of HARROWBY bad no objection to
the production of the licences which bad been greet-
ed up to the remit year.
Lord HOLLAND wished to know, whether the
Noble Earl intended him to understand, that a* cu.'
sespoodence had taken place between Ike two Go.
•ernments upon this subject ?
The Earl of LIVERPOOL could only repeat that
there had 'ma no demand made by the Spanish
Goveromut on this oecasioe; there certainly had
bees won representations mad*, but nothing in the
shape of a demand. Neither bad this Act originated
from any hint given at Congress. He mast observe,
that no satisfactory ground had been stated by the
Noble Baron for the production of the correepood-
eoce to which be bad alluded.
Lord HOLLAND said, that be should take ano
ther oppertsoity of moving for the correspondence
which be wished to sea. . .

Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the
Nome then divided on Lord Holland's amendmvot :
Cnllteels Prelim, 27—Prosier, SD 47
MoseCootems 4l—Prithies, SI lut
Majority against the motor
The Bill went tkroogb a Committee, and levy or.
desed to be read a third tine (as wo understood) to.
!morrow. -

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ne maw then adjourned atlialf-past it o'Cock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The hem met ibis day at two o'clock, masts'
40 soda.

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Mr. Clark, from the Privy Council Mice, pre.
seated an account of the Resident find Non.residehi
Incumbents in the Dioceses of Ireland, for 1314 and
1815.—Ordered to lie on the
On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL' the house
cesolvrd itself into a Committee ou theGrampeurd
&arty all.
Mr. Tweed examined.—Was a Candidate at the
kw Election for Grampnund. Ile directed Mr.
A. Lamb to object to some of the votes, because be
believed they bed been bribed. Many of the Elec.
Sore admitted that they bad received the mosey. lie
spoke to Sir M. Lopez on this subject.
Mr. R. MARTIN objected to asking what the
conversation between the witness sad Sir M. Lopes
was.

Mr. W. WYNN defended the question, as per-
;lcily legal.
Witness recalled.— He showed Sir M. Lopes a list
of names of voters, and seen of money opposite to
them ; and Sir M. admitted it to be correct. Witness
indicted& certain number of the voters, and Sir M.
Lopes as well. Ms proceeded against 26 of the
voters sod convicted 24 of them. Ile desired that
the bribery oath should be administered to the voters,
but it was not. He did not mean to bring up the
Persons convicted of bribery, until this Hoese should
determine something with respect to the state of the
Borough. The list be received gave sums of 1501. to
351. to malty of the voters, sad it was out denied.—
Ile received 4,7001. to pay his Solicitor's bill, pro-
vided be quashed his Petition.
Mr. Teed, jar,. was nest riamieed.—lfe was at
the Grampoend Election. He knew of no procoed.
Sep het what were communicated to biro as Counsel ;
and be sebmitted to the Committee whether be ought
Se diverse/. it.
'r So Witness was ordered to withdraw.
Mr. Teed, pen. was then called in, and asked
whether he had syy objection to his son's disclosing
any of these proceedings? fie said, he would leave