The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-12-02 00:00:00

LONDON, WEDNESDAY,' DECE}IhER 2, Iti 12.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENZ
lIOUSE OF LORDS. DIM 1.

PRICE CD.

Chancellor, observed that it wls impot•si. patty ; and then the ettect of tkis sysLe‘o 11104 be
ble for any person, whatever might be his titlentc, or the annibilmion of cll stock-holders. These wen&
his Industry, to execute the multifarious duties which his reasons for opposing the Addresg. 'the

The House met at two o' clock. __ _poi 'welter, an:.
the consequence of his not having the requisite accist- Ilamenta , ig
Parliament;odfo‘viito the
The Marquis of HERTFORD reported that his mice, was
tdhealtaylin the hearing of Appeals and Writ% —too rYfi
welt-dressedreeat eguedtil7lgeitth:eenocptetuntiAltgg
Royal Highness the Prince itegeet would he pleased of Error ina I onse, which was,mest ruinous and house with speeches in their pockets; well-written
to receive the Address of the house this day, at half- oppressive to the parties concerned.
essays or themes proposed by Ministers—coaeluded
past two o'clock. The Bill was read a first lime, and ordered to be by moving as all 1 amendment °mettle It"Ort he
CATIIOLIC MAIMS. printed.
The Deka of GLOUCE jiTEle presented a Peti- The House adoureml et half- brought up this day week.
past two till Thurs. Mr. FREENIATLE further impressed upon the
thin from the University of Cambridge, against the &eh end then went up in procession to present the House, the necessity of enquiring into the promo
Catholic Claims, stating that he did so, having the Address to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent. state of the public expenditure, before the Report at
honour to hold the office of Chancellor of that Uni-
I the Bar was agreed to. As to the general subject of
h noel. ;
outher:.tisoto.:7l,lecSilsteech, he was decidedly of opinion, that
versity, but that he was anxious to be understood as
giving no opinion on one side or the other relative to The SPF.AKIEMIt Uton:ikEth(e)Cl.ln7ir7°atAfloNnir(o)'Nel.4;k D • •at the present moment were not nearly
the Catholic Claims. the oaths had been administer 41 to some Mom
tort.leni; h7rrien(tiii.
iailmii so bright as at the commencement of the last Session
The Earl of HARDWICKE "Nerved, that due ediesi.:l",,;enififlazotrilitdiheittreimetechi.ereecettrimpltielt.eitrie Votein 2 of Parliament. The war he which we had iejeutici•
notice had not been given to the non-resident Ment-
ion of the Univereity of thee:star/dots tereet otv tar sly plunged ourselves with America, was ih no
wwieemwloes to tile I'LLlclini:eM Ititl the e'll.sli littrt I.44a.ruamull4' fur el; nee couatektolanced by the peace *that had. boltii
A Petition vent pre-ented fro. the Uuivegr'itv of Oklitird,
against lite GatholtitClaims : the ill'e Wolters stati-d their Thanks In
concluded with Russia. le ith remerd to the Penlite .
such a Petition, to the consideration of which, he I
Impaled-1* taw ii i t' ir
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contended, the attentionef the tton-tesideat Mem- tetotata. Ittat the dbabiliq,e,sula, lie was pose:Wed that, by tlim !tattle of Stitae
bars ought to have been fairly called, it not being i troverament, mod tha. dieirnholition svnithlie•aol to the art:4 i".lt tizettifcraeet,tioenhlaodf gained
wuttsotlinitoig
nbeaultergloiiii.y,itsanedeeotlmiat a ewere iediseemeter- remesite to the soettelt ~f 1 the 1;31, I(...iwit:-.5*
political eaPedieniye tor an restrictions me aceuunt d veligiun. -Ordered to lie ut:t'hiel
gumshoe of religion, but of
To show that the danger to be apprehended from the : table. plislimentehan when the Marquis of Wellington ,sac
,
interference of the Pope, was merely ideal, his PIFIVATK BILLS. • ' , posted at Torres Vedrac. At the same time that he
Lordship observed, with referenceho some latopro. Lord CASTLEREAGH mused • the usual
with respect to private Bills,*rie. that ne Petition for , he
, order disapproied of the Address, he acknowledg tlitit
ceedings of the Catholic Prelates of Ireland, that'
it private Bill be received after Frida.,Y that no ' could uot vote for the Amendment that halteet
text,
the Pope was not to be found, nor could any comma.
private Bill be read a first time after the 4th of I : Mr. ROBINSON replied to Mr. Freentantle's
nicatiou be had with him.
after
and that no report on any such Bill be received ' remark,' that the cause of freedom in Spain and Por-
o arc 1, '
The Petition was ordered to Be on the table.
the 10th. of May.—Ordered, and ordered to be ; tugal had riot been advanced during the last rain-
Lord GRENVILLE said that he had a similar May .-Ordered,
Petition to present from the University of Orford. printed. I pejo. The Honourable Member emit over the
1 various successes of the British arms during tho•last
The mere acts of presenting a Petition at variance • CONTESTED MeeMmtmes,
Lord CASTLEREAGH, after observing that it •
, i
daßtrotni:ier:itt campaign, commencing
,accioeolmidft Tk,rnme:iii.itii7et.iw:,,i,:ittb:tithphee
the
1 capture
carptu
capture
coon rCiudadfell
te
with his own opinions, eas a thing so common in
would be for the benefit of the suitors tLunselves
Parliamentary usage, that ha should not have thought
that the consideration of their cases should-not been- !
it necessary to notice the circumstance. But both
eared upon before sufficient time could be allotted to L force• • it
the Illustrious Personage whb had preceded him; and
ie.rtile iirouinces of the Smolt of
; Seale from tte delis ton of the etrifty,
deliverance
moved a resolution, that Ho Petitions concerti-
'himself, stood iet a peculiar situation with respect to 'it,by the rais-
ing-Election Returns should be taken into consitle. t
these petitions. They come, my Lords, from Cor- , inge the osiege of Cadiz. In noticing the abandon.
ratioa before Christmas, which passed in the affirms- men flt
poste Bodies, at the head of which we have the tit 'mem, and the evacuation of Madrid, he
honour to be placed ;
flocs as well as of the other and they purport to be the tire' ' insisted teat our successes were permanent, while
Petitions of the
A Petition was presented from Charles Wethemll ' our reverses were merely temporary. teem Ames
Members of our two Universities. The Illustrious Chance
and Edward 'lsitellusson, complaining of an undue '
flea he mould venture to moot,
that, as in [tie tint,
AND NOTW.Ce.
Personage has, therefore, thought it necessary to i
return for the Borough of ehaftsbury.---Ordered • i„stance,
peti. ito be taken into consideration on the 9tli Clay of F nstance, ne means were neglected of preset visit
disclaim all participation in the prayer of the . - . r .0143 ace,' fia 110,00112 bad been wanting to prosetetts
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tion.which his Royal Highness has presented, ORDERS' and IttruarY• t'lle war when it was found inevitable.
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to reeked the House that he has always hitherto (and I Mr. FitEEMANTLE explained.
from motives which all who know them meet ape I Lord CASTLEREAGH proposed the same rept- t
giving any opinion on this lotions respecting (Yrilers and Notices, ms had been Mr: ILO:F. without entering now into the policy
or implicit of the sure adverted to by Mr. Cree.
I plied) abstained from
got, Breed to last Session, viz. that on Mondays :hid ivy as likely to be adopted, a tax on capital, assert-
! great question. For myself, however, I Must
'ridays Order; -should have the precedence of No- e that such a plan was altogether inimacticable,
much Anther. My opinions upon it have been lone ! d
° tires
publicity and uniformly avowed. So far from con.l as.'
amr. A:M./THREAD proteited against this order, 4
I notwithstanding the assertions of a Right Rev. Pre- -
s lete, whO had publeshecl .1 Pamphlet ju its favour.
stirring hi this petition, I am convinced Mat no other :.
as
eepedlept coetd now be devised- to certain and sof& • tlttwwing power tan the 14°F" IMintsteto '-ihtli. 'mi. sruAAT WORTLEY was as anxious as
' declared that he should always assert his right tO fatiy man jo obtain piii4 -irk could be second '
fectool fur bringing upon our country the very evil. , -lon
,
of whiehthe petitioners are apprehensive, 'as by adopt. i lake the precedence 4f Orden' with Motions, wheel honourable terms. At present he thought such an
titer made after or without notice. He would not, ' event impossible, and he should he extremely sorry
ing that Ten- policywhichthey so eacnestly recommend. ,
divide the House on the subject. . •
Ito see the Executive Government compelled to nego-
Thus much I stated to your Lordships on a similar i however,
occasion last year, and my-opinion remains unaltered. I
Lord MILTON also protested against it as con- ciete, either by a vote of the House, or by the die-
trary to the usages of Parliament, and as tend- tresses of our manufacturers.
But I have now a still morn painful duty to discharge. '
ing to cramp the proceedings of the House.—lNT . Lord MILTON earnestly called upon the House
To the declaration of my unqualified dissent from ;
the prayer of this Petition, I must add, that of my; dared' to reflect upon the ruinous tendency of prosecuting
strong disapprobation of the termsin which it is ex-1 Lord FOLKESTONE gave notice of soustion ire- i the' American war. lie believed that the two Go-
pressed. It appears to me, by obvious and neces- specting the Officers of the German Legion, for Fri- • vernments were decidedly hostile, while the two ua-
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hery const I
and groundless aspersion on the motives '
ruction, to convey a most injurious, mt. i day next. Itions were as decidedly pacific. He lamented to see_
warranted Mr KENRICK gave notice, that he should mote. the person at the head of the Government guided so
,
; for leave to bring in a Bill respectieg Inclosures, si- implicitly by his enmity to the United: `fates.,
arid principles of some of the hest 'and wisest men, ,This
Imilar to that which passed last year.
both living and dead, who have ever adorned the might be a bold assertion, but he was not afraid to
I Notice mas given of a imotion for leave to bring iiii
Councils or the Senate of this country. It appea declare what he sincerely thought.
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to amend the Act 13 and 14, 1, respect. Mr. S'rE.PtIEN warmly resisted the statement of
to me to extend this reflection even to the proceed. ia, Bill c: 2
,
ihes of the Legislature itself. Such being, as I think,lltlle gaining a Settlement, by renting a tenemept the Noble Lord, that there was any hereditary mi-
tt; import of the words according to' their IMAM sense n` 101. per annum. • mity in the illustrious person at the head of the Go-
ind nicaniug, it was matter of grave and serious deli. Sir WILLIAM ;CURTIS presented a Petition verument towards the American people. The Speech
Iteration in m mind whether I could bejustified b
from the Clergy of London, incorporated wider : delivered only yesterday contradicted the assertion,
any consideration
in suffering my name he affixed; y
the name of President and Fellows of. Sion College,, I, for it breathed only a spirit of entity and concillas
even for form's sake, to such a paper. Nor am I yet
against the Catholic Claims.—Ordered to lie on the : (ion.
sore that I have rightly decided. But if I have erred, table' Lord MILTON explained, that he had been ;nis-
iitis on that side on which, if I err at all, I. should , :fir. LOCKHART presented a Petition
from the. understood ; be had no such allusion as the lion.
wish my error to be found. I have erred from the ;City of Oxford, emainst Catholic Emancipation, and : Gentleman had imputed to him.
of facilitating the exercise of the right of
cane I supported the prayer of the Petition, which was OP. Mr. STEPHEN expressed his pleasure at finding'
en this momentous question, and to 'give full scope
desire
uiug—trom the wish to promote free discussion
, dered to lie on the table. that he was mistaken. Ile begged leave to tlet4-
titio
ADDRESS 'FO TIM PRINCE REGENT. most positively titut the irritation on both sides of
arid due weight to whatever, either of argument or of On the question, that the R. mort on the Address, the Atlantic was equal, for the conductsof the British
answer to the Prince Regent's Speech, be brought 'Ministry had bgett calculated to secure a confine-
authority, can be adduced agaii.st those opinions, the !in
I once of amicable intercourse, while the American
snores of which haealways been hest 'proved by full 1 apt
and unreserved examination. I Was also greatly tn. 1 Mr. CREEVEY rose, and observed, that more Executive had
,been actuated by a uniform desiet 6
-words whiehitime should be allowed for the consideration of tho : drive this country to acts of hostility • their .conduct
thence(' by my firm persuasion that the
portant topics touched on in the Speech, and ! to Mr. Jackson sufficiently established the fact. Ite
convey to my mind this highly objectionable senile, 1 many iM
especially the three wars in which we were engaged, ! lamented that the American Manifesto had not been
were nevertheless not so intended by the femurs Of!
this Petition. They are men, I ant confident, of
.jester and better. regulated minds than to be capable It the policy of which he was not yet prepared teep. answered; but negligence in this respect had, net
,prove. The Speech contained an omission, which tended to hasten egg:mein]. •Withe his
.tongue met
of such a purpose: -They know, I am certain, that :wes also, in his view of the subject, very important. , with his pen he had. felt it his tlutieto assert and vim.
The Regent had expressed la reliance that the House dicate the maritime rights of Great Britain.; :bet lit
nothing could be more unbecoming of their own pee
culier stations—nothing coultr less befit a grave, and.i.of Commons would furnish the supplies, but without ; called the searcher of Hearts to witness, that' the had [
reverend, and religious Body, thiu the attempt to itulverting at all to the state of the Finances and of never employed towards the United Siates latiguile
I judge the consciences of others, and to lit an inju
• Commerce. That this was an unusual and ill-ad- ' but of respect. If the Noble Lord thought that those
te-
I via"' proceeding, he referred to some former Ad- , maritime rights were in fact maritime wrongs, he was
ous calumny on the motives of those from whose
; dresses to prove. Did the Ministers know nothing right in advocating the cause of peace ; but if sucit
opinions they may chance to differ. They are
lof the state of the Finances, or had they withheld were his real sentiments, Mr. Stephen called upon
also, I must believe, men far too wise, and of jude.
I all knowledge of the. commercial distresses from the the Noble Lord openly to declare it. The repeal of
merits iniinitcly too enlightened, not to be sensible
at. i Prince Regent, or did they deny the existence of , the Orders in (+ounce -was a concession he had el-
that from such an imputation, if disgrace-should
1 such distress ? The House would be better ern. ways and would always object to; but the manner
tech any where, it must fall on the authors of the ca-
lumny, and not-on those to whom it is applied. For ! ployed in enquiring into the financial state of the in wide!' it had been received convinced him that oar
country than in voting the Proposed Address; for,it was not to be avoided ; it certainly was the' most
them, therefore, as well as for myself, I publicly dis-
bed been acknowledged by the Chancellor of the unnatural contest in which we could be engaged,
avow any such interpretation of the Petition ; and it
it in this persuasion only that I could nth* *pelf Exchequer, and by a Right Honourable Gentleman the American Government, as the authors of it, lied
of great financial knowledge, who unfortunately was , to sustain a heavy responsibility-
authorised to present' it to you?' Lordships,. and to
not now in the House (Mr. Tierney), that the pro-' Mr. WILBERFORCE rose merely to state, that
move that it may lay on your table: .
This Petition was likewise orditeed to Be. on the sent system could not be persevered in, and as a he was friendly to the Address, and that he dime).
remedy the. Chancellor's nostrum ens, a tax on proved of the Amendment proposed by an (Lmoura.
table.
• Micro RV or RALAMANA.. ' • • . • capital. Howe in the present state of things, could ble Friend of his, recommending peace. A vote 9f
The Earl of LivEaPooL gar
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they think of pledging themselves to the support that House must operate as a dictete.upon hlinietere,
day, of a Motion of Thanks to the Marquis of Wel. of the war in the Peninsula, on its preient scale ?-,- and the negeciationef a peace under circumstances
lington, for the Victory of Salamanca, for which clay. What -he knew was, that the expence of the war last which did not leave the Executive Goverrimetit et
the Lords were ordered to be summoned. • year was 121 millions; that notwithstanding the re- ' full liberty to accede to, or _reject the teirrMpre.
mti NCEMCOtte
AIIimINTMENT *V A •ittele solutions of the Chancellor of the Ensitequer, which ;posed, must necessarily be disadmintagioui to Os
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• - Lord ItieDBSDALE presented a Bill, for Me bet- declared theeiteper money to be equal in value to: country. • • • -
lir admiuistratlon of justice, 'ethic& his Lordship gold, the -public annuitants had been robbed of one- , ,Mrs PONSONBY thought that the Hee*. tjy
atated to be 14 same ni that which wee before the tkird of their income', and this, not for the benefit . voting. the 'Addresi, did not Ptedge"ilitilf 'Wel).
ruse last" Session, for the eppeinteteeh 'et 11.114084,; 411110101111 c, •but :or Uretaitafitof .tits Asia Com- prove of the particular points coetaithod to Bee.
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