The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-06-25 00:00:00

*dewed that 911,11111Itelifr wettreveryday.tiatag'‘,
show bow tadeqesto it wee 10 WWII tb• need sem
conatty. . felt Massif called moo to maim thattato-
-theitTlM Ilittlonitli eta Hiiiiet, ho ittikirif acquainted
coil the real silustilb of the country; and to 'nerd
gshe possibility 'of .h. elikrgo Wig' bermes-%
=fs
him nett year; el-haviag left** House la total
the subject. He mmielitded by invite. ni
.ti a'Committee of teretlyeette Member,
tits4retet telitfultif late thetekteitai4"objette •T
*diftturhaq*hilreliind:" " '..4 4 .
.1"grAilt:0011 00; it4i Isq wqrdd
Boise to itiqdire into the causes of the Z=Ve Id
Irela4cratiser thee ioto their extent. (if the littpethey
hers gel too fully acquainted, and it was Pali*,
thud an.inteOgetion Jo* the origin of the wilt &soli
lake plane. Pores had bees too. !Dog tried, sad it aq
almost dam to try the effects of More rade hieseitlit
!Loll 1114 *aid sot hope to find employment for elf t!tp
• at yet be thoeght Ant earlobe ihodil-eOuldtra
tr' -Iselin emptoy a emit part of thee: ' With Ibl4' ,
be would vote for the appdathsent Op; COthedday.
igr-licliiLatilitisali,.that however he 'Might differ
from the Right Honourable Baronet, there Was **bins
that fell from him that was Mit entitled-to the peed*
limpet, fibs etsdereteed the Hoe. Member etirtectly; his
'lmpish* wairibt brought forirard with a Vied m ins:
pedeibil Meisinthefore the ilttult; He rather mat ti
the eppolotdieht ofd COrodsitme ass preliminary' etep.
isel Pitt ttattlitfY the House that ' the ',Unstrap of the
*emigre railed ter the =galore Whirl it. 'Gn thgt.poisto
he (Mr. G) begged Wee to differ, and be thought that
the period of the Session was far too lath for the i--
points,* of a Committee, as.' it would ssoll h
oat promises which *mild not be fulfilled. Before •
adopted the measure proposed, he willed to' imerteht
whether it.was irk the power of Otillindient to 'Odd.
ads l any effectual remedy. • He had *l* IlisitatiOnto
sit ere inquiring into the affair until the 41t0 nielist
Of Htiment, if he was convinced that he costly ni
wire it iny satisfactory conclusion, But he ettteat
forgo how seem:wiry the prell9oS4 of the Irish fleitlllo.oll
was at .home. 9114 hew moth their exertions would oui:
banes the return of peace fit that country. He could Ibt
then expect that these tientlaken would *handed 'their-
deitts at home, sad finale here with moth leis success as
.be imagined, and la' their absent:it-he was gored*, Copp
mittee of itiry-lue. Meinberd coaltt Owe to's ' condi-
nips wltiet'vpould be_ pradnitivit. of beneficial cOStit
gambrel; ... ' Hoe. Baronet was boundio'show that the
frith Oorevuoient bad deserted thelrditty, end when be
had mretniededin dling en, it would then be time **Os
to call upon Parliament to take the affair into 'their own
bands. When be (Mr. G.) last moved for the **Wei of
the Insurrection Act, be bad iatebded to peopose aCOm•
mittee of Inquiry tato the stalls of Irelan4 but on a scale
nrochmore limited and tangible then that'll/bleb was now
sought ht. Subsequent coosiderdtion; hoWever, led him
to believe that that was not the time 'foe searching
into causes orthe evil; 84 be was sure the effects
of it were first to •be aentralized. The care for the
evils of that country was to be expected only from
the zeal and activity of the resident Gentry sod Ila-
gistracy of Ireland, to dirtying into effeit the adminis-
tration of the law. Bat tholes he felt it his duty now to
oppiee the motion, because Ise deemed it otireasonible at
present, yet he was litatid-.16 say that te who not
to inquiry at a proper dote Intl the ova of trilled. At
present There ivere'other and better teemm.of entertain-
ing klie.vis• causes;of the distoritancei in. Ireland, than
throogh the medial of. a Committee of the House. lf,
however, it should be reeds:id emissary again to propose
the renewal of the Inearreetion Ad, he should feel bit*
self Wood to propeee a serilusinquiry into the causes of
the disturbances which bad so long distracted Ireland.
The ipeech of the Hon. Baronet was calcullted to shod
the difficulties which would attend an hnolif at present.
• He could not join with him in thiaking that the evils of
• Ireland arose-from backWardness of Parliament to make
concession; to the Romeo Catholics. If, .01r. G.) should
' think 'that if a Committee was organised upon each as
.elesomptinn, it would be arrogating*, itself *hat ought to
he the badness of the whole House. The Hoe. Baronet
leis beconsistent with himself, for • he at once attributed.
• tit{ me evils to a superabundant population, and also to the'
lantrideoinistration of Government. But sorely Govern;
•mentiverenot responsible for the excess of thepoptalatioe,.
.The evil; of Ireland were of a double nature ; one skald
"mai oingoveraftee a system, which could not be removed '
unless by a series of remedial measures; and the other of
I temporary nature which required more prompt and eli,
elent measures to suppress it. Measures of a temporary
and permanent nature were, therefore, to be adopted.—
.tt coed not be said, that by edocatiog the present gene-
radon, the immedlattiotitries in Cork or Llmerickcootd_,
•leput a stop to—(Heat). ' • But still the ditsetolnatios of
blessings of ednado@ would proddee certain fruits,
dud our posterity *bold see the froiti of it in times to
ease. The H 99. Baronet Lad compared Ireland to Scot-
•land and Wales, and referred to the effects which general
edrication, distinct from religious education, bad tie
produced; but he (Mr. G.) extremely doubted tie tenth
of all comparison of this statute. He eoald not admit
a comparison, when there wet Ise analogy in the habitat*
manure of the people. The Hon. Bart. had contended
flaatthe Capitulation of Limerick was lOteoded to tokfer
thlisa•the Romad Catholics all those rights which they
dew cialined. ' 'He (Heir. G.) Would not, latowever, mire
that antiquated question now with him. bat would only.
say, that if too violation of the treaty of Limerick.. ..
a cause of the establishment of the penal laws in Irela
this cowitrf had tang sin* made atonement for.7th
bet, by a repeal of those rigorous laws. And ip eon-
dour the Honourable Baronet bound to *Gigs another
tante besides the operation of the penal law; since the
disturbances still continued in Ireland, after those laws
bad been repealed. This: however, was a subject II .
Which he wished to touch bat lightly.• If, '
merely to protest against the medoo as tualeatleabla
I present, but he wished • at the same tihre tOliecited bil.
disposition to enter at any &tire thee into sot* 'in in.
quay as seemed likely to be itttioded,tritk Ify gaol or
.preetield noirseqneilees. .
Colonel DAVIES supported the maim He notelet.
od that if the Committee sat for a single week, or eves
for a single day, it would produce some good, mit would
'he a p'edge that the House bad the peace end interment
Ireland at heart. For Isis own pert be was convinced
that conciliatory and not coercive mensnlesVna benefit'
faked, awl •shOttld'iler Okras* the renewal of. {tie
,Insitirectils Aet..• He laMeoted that ail the Puhlic be-
,diiiilii treliind tee continually Claniouriog'forlhe ap.-
plrcittiOn 'of Mori' force. TbirAddresi if. the Coonty of
Cork, which he held is. his band, resounded with cries of•
o force, forci.". from one sad tit •emother. .Goventelent
adbeen too long acting limier walnut views with re-
,do Ireland. irelaad. Why, be eibidobodid that country be
slide an eireption to-tkii. ilibeilmete of the empire ?
Inlaid any Gentleman say that the law was tdoiniftged
is Ireland as it was its this.country.'• "He 'D.) had
Ito X 4441.4
beeitffiliereliatieetZt;that thilaw ails ally ad-
fist ' " ' , ititillithf, 'Ulf - ' the
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tits; sure; titit thes =tstittilt the
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dos MIN, iiiiiiiiind waiditiaitate . bet se
• . • ifiltutokbirlia •thisciPmeisitatitetshrek
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THE STATESVAN

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of
su ter:ln:Frig "deem ttic:at) lliaCellifimja.l4 °....fih;-elt i
I%iir ..co keys* closely connected .arTirtiseilis redoes-
soy .p- In Ireland. Whatever of ejk
n eli; hiinr, there might be upon this su tt the at..
urge!. of Itelead were if moment a natatalltat .•
to
iiiinld be lost in hapdring into. them. —Fir an
'Mess, "he pbeisid gis lifsmriet,ilo4l4l support to the
melon.
N. JOHN SMITH supported the motion. He sal
that at thii time it was the bounden duty of English
Nentirtro to attend to the affairs of Inland. Be sail
Mae surprised at the speech of the if Hos. Secretary
• for Ireland, mover rtiewierly at.this Oise. -it plot
48s echo W 1 rWwWY sash 115 Shl/ * tits 6,a6_
epee similar occasion. •,had s 1 aye NIP .".•'"'".7
sera Pistrialt
_.__an hitt*, 11,s, she Sten of *inked. lb
knew of es tesseare to which an inquiry was pasted.
except in :the lair case of the Pfilef the* of the Rechil
Tier. but that was but a small portion of the gricieimm
colipleitted 'A He Muhl give eVidence of the most Katie
Adele elolithio of the lasi ip /retest Tb*Ralle lat
nataiiillralllitMell4jxl4o4 es es it
.14 tali
PWS4IO7I._ sr hula "re t 010 oi7es er gm
people are w.mmi Int the
,00 e.o, It nothlpti
&inv." ' RC was di sponi' fo salt yr!fy $ • Catholic ',NI
Om we; not settled leleouse pray or another? Weald
any Man ear that it is not a warn of. the greenlet iniiil
Lion ? It was in vain to expect peace until that
wee settled. There were es many oolnts of lis;
to be inquired into.tbat it appeared te him to be attain*,
ill on the per tof the House to iinittite an ineatil pales.
Whit. after yeara or massacres and riots iblrelied, wore
they to he told sow thettbie isiiiitig-tleie for inquiry /
Unless., change took plaM is the opinions.qf (MO
of the other safe; ied gt eiter ittOciii A on his owe
they•Orinid pi on ;ail* same Conroe until the time
When inquirynceld be Opt of their inner. PM
_N;
reasons he should vote for the tootien or then*. Bat.
'kir. ItOBBILTSON•aiItert iris it possihis' Shhe WI
people of ffttiod emit •lie Contented *oder tips pm*
sYs • , Of thiverpasent I' it *0 not in' heMen papaw
chit At millitins of people cool( aid* to sit gently
under disqualification, and in an inferior condition to •
small minority. The bestial system of penal law,
_l4
bees so contrived in that' ciroorri as tie ficnetritteht
bosom of families and set father •aisfinSt 'eviii. W
had Ireland to thank 'the Britioh‘GivViliinept for, lit S;
*arse of the last ceatel. • Upon ono occasion when gra
bands of the British 'Eleveroosebt were 'belplesi, tihiii
the Navy of France rode triufuphant iq thq Chattel!?
GO whom did they rely for the defence of 3re4and ?
~ _Ai
Protestants were too small a number,, 040 tie Wham
cline fitneiliiiiid bordWitimedthemsekvee ntalosts
comma enemy:- Op that ?Oils:, it f4enilier of
Irtsh Pirlinsient, Mr. ISltegef , -60410 to aAi . lit
enable Catholics tWtelti p, y 04. sus 44.01 pores!
,t
The Bill. was. faiSiliAi ; s.fveriel•Cateli oar armies*
In America were 4414 11l %hie* oat berse..of distrust
and difficaltr, we did not hesitate to •allow Catholics*.
hold land by lease for a term of 910 rani. In strati;
the British Governmest sever made a wineeision to km
land that was sot extorted ley her flirt • Wl4t ,llliith.
had the one!! of Ireland to thank the •Hillklik, %ma, •
meet for. wityhiniiiitirlit defend on IT theis was Go bap{
of peace for. 1 9 ardi ;kg wb9le: Partisiii•A‘ Were.
put on a perfeettleality with each other, as to 01141
rights. The first sfep to be taken with respect to Ire-
land was to remove 4e dissensions if that country. No
cipitalist %you'd invest hie money in sects a country. No
manufactures could Sourish there—the people's minds
were too mach galled and irritated to receive &aviation;
from education. • The distioctiOn which • the law made
between Catholic aid feloteetiiet. tired'uP 114 BM eel*:
eity which etieted 10 Inititiid. Lej ithererlliOann.llll
equality; and die- PfoleiaiFied Cath_olic "maid be in
lieland as they wertrtn-SiltierlindA Pliiala. sad tier-
Many. He thoaght 'the f,ferise stao4l4 preen*, first of
ell, to show the 'strongest derienitgrs of a wish to
*edema the grievances of lrelattd.' ' ey ihonld abolish,
alt penal laws meeting Catbai, y demos; ;hey'
should give stipends to 'their Clergy, but demand no.
secitritiei. Could any eon deny that She Minister oftimi
. Established Church bad failed io seal and diligence
when it turned oat that their Socks were daily 16214
in the proportioas which a few years they maintained of
the great mass of the population. Their stipends shoe*
he reduced, end thee would they becime Ministers of
the Gospel, It to compete with the *edit and indefati-
gable Clergy of the Roman Catholic persapion. Thu
lion. Menitier'said'he skeild support the *mutant,
and hoped a Conical*oit would be lint over to Ireland
to the summer. ' '
• Mr. C. HUTCHINSON expressed his utonishmest
that it should be 'said by the Getitterneo on the of
side, that it was Mit* too late in the Session to think of
. . . . .
of
itmelry. Did those Gentlemen bow any thing - tai
eittatfoo of freland ? 'Woold theY matron to say as
Men of honour that Ireland woadsot be ix a state of
rebellion in less than • a fortnight ? If the Ministers
well, not ready to yield.qp their points of dilfertece, and
agree upon advising some . remedy for the state of
• I ad. they were not Worthy of holding their
irk
aces. . What hope was titers of ' good to
. relasd, wins is a few-days the Secretary for Inland
,
*to had that tight avowed hie opiniont 'pea ' a vital
question with respect to Ireland, and' itotild,retorn to
'that country, in order to 1144 his Mansell' Lord Lieu-
tenant, who it was notorious entertained. totally oppo-
site views open that question. What hope was there
that the peace of !relied would be promoted by an A4l-
Ministration Composed, of each diseordant materials ?
The Hon. Member forcibly showed the. necessity of a
speedy. remedy being applied to the pranat.iipin of Ire-
land. • He said be would, for the Wm, 'Pt epee-
rity, vote for' the reamer Or toe:. 44' 114 'be trottld
also insist epos inengultl. ' ' •
hir..UANKILS. motor.. appeal. the:modes of Sir IL
Parnell ; sad in reply to tel ihiervatleini of as Mon.
Member (Mr. &bums), be wield, elk that macro
sietaphincias,' whether the conciliation he proposed
would fain the totarreitions itChninid. It was well
known that an ettensisn'eatippirmy 'eitieted on the Intri
of 'the retire ' bulk of the peoplisttptiCrted by secret
oaths ; and that the object of the Compintors was to ex-
*Pala an wk? T 041114 a differeot
,reljgiort frees their
eifirs.-.—(CAes of No. no. and hear, hear.) Nothingniield
be more certain than that such conspiracy did exist.; sod
' that thiolijoet 'of the toespinitors. wee • to infirpateand
seize the property of the minor part .of the pOintlatlon.
The Parliament bad already' conferred many and great
.benefits on Ireland. He had osier:bites a party to. tbit
liaise tbe Wanted and wasirieved it had fir lien
place, for It hertransported the Parliament and ill 4siiir.
Maideot gentryfrorn tbateonotry ; *MA; !)y. that intattie,
bad ' Weenie greatly inpoverilhet. ' With regard toy tuts
tithes, he btlieved they were a rad gries.in#e 'Ka, reg.
• burden, ',luck ougbetor be reutofed i tk Moe eitymiiiih :g.,;
and then the questioanf.Catholie is*.wipetios,.otbe .
seem' rein. 'At all eicute„ OA,. i'kWely neoginnry I. -
pass the present MIL _
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Mr. RUITOTSON enyiefaelL • Mt Aw‘aussailpitio
.Hotiourilibilientleiiian's minion. iesilembledielliesp
port any Phis that welt ii bilifthlesoilisialllmi Pa.
Ireland. . • , . ..., 1,,,
, Mr. HUTCHINSON also explaleed. ° • '
'stir. MARTIN (of Galway) sailihntstNownsittee was
stow sitting on the 'Rain of lirelass4 sad them wie gie•
thing which - li).s *a. Friend mild.ree is the .m.,
•thXtliaii not come under the coosi . ratios of ope,;
swatter. Al to Catholic sannicipation..llo did astballeibr
thit were it granted it Weald have any set whatever fa.'
pattinidowe the rebellion that eow.primatied is oleic.
vies if Iron* He believed that .if tbie Hen, r,
wl fro now pain out* ioncilittion, rt. to rod,
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