The Statesman.
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tail than he otherwise should have gone ; and he
should not have chine so, were it not a question of
the greatest importance in every point of view. The
Bill professed to be 44 A Bill for the due arrange:
ment of his Majesty's Household, and fei the re.;
sumption (if fortunately that period Should arrive)
of the Royal Authority." Now the House would
consider the circumstances under which the Bill so
framed came for discussion. An Act poised 14
settling the Regency for twelve months under certain -
restrictions, which Act had very nearly
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the Prince of W
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himself in such
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any Suspicion
his mind at the
conduct would not be regulated in the lamer intim:Kin
—[lleart hear !]—The whole of hiS Itbyit .Nigh:
ness's conduct had been directed by attention to the
conifOrts of his Royal Father, and which had ad
occasions done credit to him Self, and would give the
lie direct to any
,insinuations to the contrary;—
There was nothing in his Royal Highttesea past
conduct that could lead to I suspicion that if ttk was
clothed with ftill porters he *doltl abuse those
powers. What was the return Which. his Royal
Highness net . with By this new Bill he wag
to be treated as a persdn not lit to be trtisted—
as if ho had not atoned for any Supposed or intagi.
nary errors by the rectitude of his &induct, anti •
consequently had not wiped elf that dark disgust
which had dictated the measure twelve Months since.
(hear, hear, from the Ministerial Benches, (neon;
ponied with a smile!) The Right Hon. Gentlenian
seemed amused with these dpinionc; but he (Mr. T.
did not see much of comicality in them, and he would
endeavour to convince the Right lion. Gentlenien so:
Iu considering the Act, he must make tno assume.
tions. Iu the first place, that it would in substartcd
place his Royal Highness on the throne pertianentlt
(in the event that what all desired did not fortu-
nately happen), and that 4 would niake such ter:
rangements that his Majesty, might, if happily. „he'
could, resume the Royal Authority. Sndndly,'
That his Royal Highness ceases to be Prince of
Wales on that assumption, and of course Wiatte'tei
was vested iu him as Prince of Wales, was at an end
elee that is to- sayi the Eaeiutive Goveriutient^
Weald be entirely kr him. The pritaCiples which he
had assumed would beoviolated by this Bill; for the
last year the country only recognizea one Court,—
Parliament were now called upon to establish' two
Courts. With respect to the establishment of these
Courts, many Gentlemen who had not heard thd
speech of the Right Honourable Gentletotkn in detail.;
ing the plan, would be totally in the dark. .It *at
proposed to vote 70.0001. per annum in addition,
and to make his Royal Highness a . present of
; 100,0001. annually: Now, when he asked explana-
tion on this subject, how would he be answered ?
Why, the Right lion: Gent. had Stated, as he un-
Iderstood the plait, it was this: His Majesty Ina
Civil List Revenue of 950,0001. (putting out of the.
I question the revenues arising from the Duchies of
' Cornwall and Lancaster); out df that List he prod
posed to give 60,0001. to the Prince of Wales; he
I would therefore have at his diaposal an available in-
! come of about 900,0001. Of that Sum it was pro.;
posed to take 170,0001. namely, 100,0901: rlf his
Majesty's Household, 60,0001. for. his privy purse,
land 10,0001. for her Majesty's use: This gross suns"
of 170,0001. deducted from the 900,00t)1. would
leave a clear income of 730,0001. This was on'
of the question. On the other it was proposed Id
I add the sdm of 70,0001. which would bring Hato
800,0001. to which must he added also 50;0001. ra be
! given to hit; Royal Highness as -Prince of -.Wales' *:
making in the whole 850,0001. leaving th•
Revenue in thehinds of his Royal Ifighnesi, 60061:
less than what hit Royal Fathei enjoyed. No*t
whether the sum so proposed t 8• be given writ
enough lo maintain the dignity of the Sovereign, he
could not say, god therefor. it weft itecestary -the
House should be informed. It had been Bitted too -
by the Right Hon. Gent: that. his Royal Highness-
would defray the meow of the Windsor estabiisha
runt, when there, Out of the Revenue thug-appro.
priated for the purpose ; but with respect to Cart.
ton House, there Was no precise information given ;
without full information, the House would, by
passing this Bill, run great chance of deceiting thd
country, as was the case in 1801, and seeing
how injurious that precedent wag, it was clan-
gerous for the House to act upon it. Besides, the
House was called upin now ter make a new Civil
List, for what, he must consider ai, nett' rein.
The Prince at present enjoys a revenue of 120,0001:
' of which 50,0001. is in this-new order Of things to
be deducted, and then a stint of 70,0001. annually
will remain in his hinds, which, after dedUcting the '
60,0001. to be applied to the Civil List, Would lea'
a balance of 20,0001. over this 70,0001. Parliament,
as the Bill proposed; was not to have controul ; that
his Royal Highneti would administer it faithfully
and duly he had, not the leait doubt; but notWith‘
Standing this opinion, Still AO must consider the pro.'
position as a monstrout one,' which called& Parliament
to vest so large a sum as 70,0001. annually, without
any sort of controul. Not only this part of the ard
rengerment was objectionable, but many °Uteri; In'
her Majesty was to be vetted site controul ()ter the
170,0001. to be applied for frit aftletty'S HouSeholdt
There were to be two Priiy Parses, One Tinder her,
Majesty's directions, the other tingle, the Catlin:tut of
the Prince Regent. That of the Print* of 60,0001:
was correct and preirr ; but with 'skeet to the
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grounds, because his Wieldy would not administer
the Government. By this arrangement what would
become of Mr. Burke's Bill? If the Privy Purse of
his Royal Highness, for instance, was not to he sub-
ject to controul, then his Royal Highness would have
conveyed to him a sum of 130,0001. with the full'
knowledge and approbation of Parliament. Her
Majesty would have 35,0001. deducted from the
Privy Purse of his Majesty, the residue being re-
served for the payment of the Medical Establish.,
meat, which might perhaps amount to but a trifle,'
and the balance would be conveyed to these three
Commissioners. The House must see, under the

proposed arrangements' In how very extraordinary a
light the matter stood,—recollecting always, that
the Privy Purse did not of right belong to the sari,
but to the office, and, in this case would be vested ill
the person who could not administer the Govern-
ment. Ile might be charged with taking captious
objections,--bat was this a captious objection ? He
did not object to the entire sum of 170,0001., be-
cause, with the information before him, he did not
know whether that sum was too much or toe little.
Was it to be understood, that all the charges would
remain on the Privy Purse to be held by her Ma-
jesty, because, if so, the Regent would stand with
130,0001. at his disposal, and her Majesty have a
sum of 70,0001. for the Medical Attendants. With
the knowledge of the enormous amount of private
property ho could not consent to vote such a sum.—
But suppose the fact was not so, and that only
35,0001. should remain at her Majesty's disposal for
the purposes before stated, how could so large a sum
be necessary ? Prove it, and no man would more
readily vote it; but he could not give his consent to
sucha vote while there existed the possibility of its
being applied to the increase of private property.—
He could not with regard to the public interests agree
to provide otherwise than sufficiently and abundant-
ly for the maintenance of his Majesty befitting his
station. Without further information he could not
proceed. The disposition and arrangement of the
Privy Purse formed one of the main objections which
he had to the Bill. The ilou,e must recollect
that in making these aria gement:, they were
making them for a new Reign. It was his wish
that his Royal Highness should ascend the Throne
not only with the confidence, but with the bles-
sings of the people. The Right Honourable Gen.
demon had said that the sum of 70,0001. was to he
placed in the hands of the Prince " to meet eel--
tein-engagernents of honour." What did the lion.
Gentleman mean ? Did he mean that his Royal High-
ness had certain debts to discharge, for he could
• ..mean nothing else. What those engagements were,
to- be sure, he did not know, unless they related to
-debts. If so, and those debts were thoroughly sifted,
his Royal Highness would not be found subject to
any other observation than that he had not acted up-
-an all occasions with slue propriety • that in some in-
stances negligence might be imputed to his conduct,
and in others the charge of profusion. Ile should
not act either as the friend of his Hovel Ilighness or
of the people, if he did not say these "engagements,"
of which the Right Honourable Gentleman talked,
aught to be stated fairly, and in an open manner to
the House.—(llecrr, hear!) If it was intended to
repose confidence in the Prince, and hail him as the
future Sovereigntlet the House act liberally—pay his
debts.--(Hear, -hear!) lie knew that in thus
speaking out he was perhaps not seeking popularity.
He cared net for the interpretation which might be
put upon his conduct, or whether he offended high
or low—he still must say, that unless the debts were
disgracefully contracted, Parliament ought to pay
them.—(Hear, hear!) There was nothing, in his
opinion, more dangerous to the Monarchy, than to I
have it understood in the country that his Roy al
Highness bad engagements which were of such a sta-
ture as not proper to be laid before Parliament. It
was not considered monstrous to pay the debts of
his Royal Father, because they were contracted ht
providing that splendour necessary to the support anal
maintenance of the dignity of the Crown. The oh.
jection might be taken if his Royal Highness remain-
ed in the station of Prince of Wales, but when he ,
ceased to be Prince, then the question assumed an.
other aspect. Was his conduct to be held up to the
country in a variety of points of view, a hich he would
abstain from touching upon? In times like these it
was not prudent to pursue any course which eight be
dangerous to the Monarchy. Ile must call to the re-
collaption of the House that clause in the Bill which
noticed the excess in the Civil List expenditure of
121,0001. annually, on the average, since 1804. If it
was right tory that excess, and he did not question it,
would it not be equally au act of justice to discharge
these" engagements?" It was not dealing justly by
the Prince to say that his debts bad already beef paid
by the public. They were not paid by the public,
but by reserving for that purpose a part of his Royal'
Highness's income, which was regularly paid up to 1
1804, wanting about two years of the time of corn.
plating payment otall the demands. The Itlght lion.
Gentleman recommended to the House the necessity
of placing the establishment upon some footing with
respect to arrangement, which might conduce to the
honour sued satisfaction of those who gave, and of
those who received. With respect to the proposition
for the care of the Princesses, namely, that in town
his Royal Highness was to provide the establishment
for them, and in the country, her Majesty ; that was
• proposition which met his decided disapprobation:
An Establishment ought to be formed separate for the
Princesses ; they were arrived at an age when it be-
came necessary ; but the whole of the arrangements
carried with them the air of suspicion. It was not
a little extraordinary that the Right Hon. Gentle-
man refused to come forward with a permanent regu.
latiort, especially when all were ready to bear the
burtheits which must be imposed, - with cheerfulness.
'Mutt other object could the Right Hon. Gentleman
lave iu view, in thus legislating from year to year,
but this: to keep his Royal Highness every year under
restrictions, in order that he might be induced to
give something to his Ministers.—[llear, hear !]—
But he (Mr. Tierney) wished to 'see bins relieved
from hie embarrassments, not by proposing any lavish
rants, but by giving to hisßoyal Highness what this
House ought to give, and which, when given li-
berally, might settle his embarrassments effectually.
Was it too muck to say, that he was mistrusted who
was not allowed the management of the servants ne-
cessary to his 'il Father ? Would not any son in
the humble dons of life suppose so ?—Would

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