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R ZVIRSTON ART G1A.11441.
The Parlor GROSVENOR moved for returns of the
*laces granted in reversion since • tbst let of January,
15421, and for similar returns relative to Courts of Jus-
tice.
After a few observations from the Earl of Liverpool,
Lord Ellenborongb, and the Marquess of Lansdowne,
the motion was agreed to.
SCOTCH MERL
The Resolution submitted to the Committee of Privi-
leges having been read,
The Earl of ROSEBERRY said, that in referring to
the Journals of the Bosse, he fonnd that in December,
170, the House had come to the resolution that two
persons claiming the same title should not vote, and that
the only mode adopted to give effect to that resolution
b been to send notice of it to the Lord Clerk Register.
Jr would save their Lordships' time to follow the exam-
ple cf this precedent, as it would render a Bill unueces-
wiry. )le should therefore only move that notice of the
Resolutions before the House be given to the Lord Clerk
Register.
The Marquess of .LOTMI AN supported the motion,
which was agreed to after a few words from the Earl of
Lauderdale.

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DISTRESS IN IRELAND.
The Earl of DARNLEY wished to ask of the Noble
Earl opposite whether he would have ■ny objection to
give the date of the first representation made to the
Irish Ho vernment respecting the distresses of the people,
and that of the first useasnre adopted for their relief.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL could not give an answer
to that question at present, but suggested that the No-
ble Lord might bring it forward in the shape of a uso-
tioq.
The Earl of DARNLEY bad in contemplation to
make a motion on that subject nest Friday, unless the
Noble Ere should attend in his place tomorrow. and
shonld be able to give an answer,
The Earl of LIVERPOOL was not certaic that it
would be in his power to be in his place to•morrow.
Here the conversation dropped, and the House ad-
journed.

thought
'tb flarpeeriveAtels It Wateldtileir atilt bet to be
grained even te' iltb *Obiis 'se &butt Unit. He
' moved as an McAdam*, "flat the .Mill be read "a
third time this day six months."
Lord A LTHORffe supported the Bill. He observed
that Petitions had bees presented la its favour from
Manchester; Belts% Ashtown, aad Oldltatio ; while the
only opposition made to it by petition, was from the
Gentlemen of the legal profession. who, undoubtedly
would find it very natural to oppose any thing which
should lessen their emoluments.
Mr. B. WILBRAHAM contended that the Bill was
totally dissimilar from all others upon the same 'abject:
lie wished it to be better understood before it was passed
into a law. Ile should therefore hope that the Bill
would he withdrawn for another year.
Mr. BROUGHAM supported the Mill. He contended
that it was calculated to give a most populous district
the means of obtalmog justice epos moderate terms. It
was always the same, when any eneasere for reforming'
abuses came before them. They were always met b
pointing to something else •vhich might be done with,
;treater advantage. He thought the conduct of the
House upon these subjects would be discovered, and that
before it was too late. Ile was quite convinced thst if
the Bill was rejected,it would be for one of two reasons-.
either upon the practice to which lie had alluded, se
from the influence of the solicitors whose interests wadi
be affected by it. He trusted, however, that the Howe
would better perform their ditty, and adopt the Bill.
Mr. B. WILBRAIIAM and Mr. Ileoeutiam mutually ex-
plained.
General GASCOYNE was convinced that the princi-
ple of the Bill was good, and that if it was adopted with
regard to hlancitester, its advantages would soon be ex•
tended to other parts of the country.
Mr. SCARLETT understood the principal objection
to the measure to be, that it placed the administration
of justice under the controul of an individual. With re-
yard to the provisions of the Bill, he considered them
to he advantageous.
Mr. PETER MOORE wished that such Bills might
be passed for all parts of the country.
Mr. C. WILSON was of opinion that the measure
was only intended for the aggrandisement of one Noble
Fatuity. He spoke there front • sense of duty, and the
rank or station of any of the parties would not influence
his conduct. His impression was, that the Bill would
be highly pernicious in its results. It would undoubt-
edly transfer the receipt of some thousands a year from
one set of pockets to another. But if the advantages of
the Bill were such as they had been represented, it
ought not to be confined to one hundred, but to be ex-
tended over the whole country. Upon these grounds lie
should oppose the Bill.
The House then divided, when there appeared—For
the third reading 70; Against it 96—Majority against
the third reading 26.

A conversation then followed between Mr. Sexual:on-
GENERA 1., Mr. Daemons's, and Mr. tiosuotma, when
The SPEAKER put the questiot for the reading of
the Bill that day six months, which was tatsiestio abo
affirmative, and the Bill was therefore lost. ,
A Alesaage from the Lord's mere anaonnessrslas‘i
Lordships ,isseut to several Bills.
Mr. Routings and Mr. S. Woariav severally pew
seated petitions emus Yorkshire against the comity*
York Polls' Bill.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. MONCK presented a petit's)* from Rem%
against the Poor Removal Bill.—Oidered to be pin
Mr. BUTTERWORTH said be bad to present ape
titian of a singular nature. it leaa Nut the Cisattk-.,
wardens of the past and present.l/ger. other officer*. enri,
alMut sixty lelsabitents of tips pikiiis of st. blatthrswii
Retknallcrean; disavowing • Pentioa whialktkey, ,
learned from a newspaper, had bees presested) praying

..rube notices
Jo. Membeed.'
Mr.Scsat.wrrt at low* pwelcsoliod nottl.Ps-
motion respecting the Poor- 14eMoval Bill I Jost t,
Davies said be tiff band lesiehildioewittd OlatAteso.
Sons of which be had given itillielit..-1-• • •..*, ..•
General GALSCOYNE add" Sitagnlsiiinitdist the
Agricultural Committee bad_ bine to!alir
,mistake* jit
principle, sad that the itseelellese fowtllA upon their;
7!
ity Report, were a delusion upon mmetry. He Aiwa.
in the 6rat stage ofiny Bill, itg from those Rae,
lotions, give it his decided op ' doe. 0
The SPEAKER havingd m
pat
the question, that
Resolutions of the Committee of the whole hems he
agreed to.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY then mooed theft
the Agricultural Distress Report be brought up. "
Mr. IIItOODEN having presented it, and on the me,
tion that it be read,
General GASCOYNE said he would take that oppor-'
tnnity to deny that the distress of agriculture resulted.
from the defective state of the Corn Laws. Such an
idea was unfounded in truth, and le should avail him-
self of the hest stage of the Bill that might be offered
to express his sentiments on the aubject.
Col. DAVIES then rose. He should move those Re-
solutions of which he had formerly given notice. He
was not desirous of trespassing on the attention of the
House at any length, nor had be felt particularly dis-
posed to originate any proposition connected . with the
important subject now under consideration; bqt se
there was not, in any one of thesis plans which purported
to be for the relief of agriculture. any thing !suggested
that promised i mimed i ste relief, he had felt himself !Maud,
In discharge of his duty, to bring forward those reso-
lutions of which he had given notice. The universal
cry bad been, and was, for immediate relief. As that
was the ease, he deemed it but justice to the House to
propose something that wee calculated to give to the
country immediate relief. It had been asserted that the
distress did not result from the taxes, bet was calmed by
a redundant supply; and the Noble Lord bad improved
on such statement by declaring that a reelection of taxa-
tion would not afford relief. The Ministers accordiegly
adopted such statement as their principle; they said
reduction of taxes would be of so use. That was as
much as to say, that corn must continue at 7th. the
quarter, at least; for if the present taxes remained, it
was impossible that the retneoerative price to the farmer
could be lower than 705.; and as he wasof opinion that
nothing would be so injurious to the best interests of
this country as to attempt to keep up high prices of
corn, he should propose, as the only sound (\aurae of
proceeding, a reduction of taxes. That was the mode
to relieve the distresses of agriculture ; and be felt more
particularly the•policy of this course of proceeding, be-
cause be was persuaded that the price of corn could not
rise. It appeared from the Resolution which he bad 0r
present that the taxes on Candies. Hides, Soap, and Salt
emanated in the gross to 3.657,0001. of which two-
thirds, or about 2,500,0001. were home by the agricid-
taristi, besides a heavy proportion of the poor Rates.—
On the 25th of. March. 1820, the Poor Rates amounted
to 7,500,0001.,4,000,00W. of which fell upon the landed
interest. The Hoc end Gallant Member then entered
into a comparatiry statement of taxation in Ireland, and
said he should propose the repels' of all those that came
ander the Excise Deportment in that country; he next
argued at some length to show that a diminution (4'0.3'-
110os produced a corresponding increase of
while, on the contrary, an increase of taxation tended to,
impair the revenue. After quoting some calculationsia,
support of this proposition, tbe Lien. and Gallant Mew,
her said, that the object of his Resolutions was to ro
Peal the whole of the Excise Doty ea Salt, Soup, Yid
camlles, and half the Series Duty on Leather,_procitsee,
Mg in die whole i wet' atiounrof 3304Alfft 114.110 it
commented on the injurious effect of die Excite Lathan

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Tits EarIiefDABIANOTO • 01 "• nod .ti: i• rim two t i itvidiniset 'Ol ' •'. Advocatt when that Letssibuileabilairaded to Primed
it J riser* Bustle, in the CoSity el.! ,tsT• r or, ' Mr.II3SCHEIt irtiosalel-bllfllVilllia 'freed eertaln with liladfilisaer whether hogiolid 10 shook* Av. 1
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Laid on the table..._ ~., . • .1 a• I,r I tt, c: QOA-ls,yeaylpx Lit twii4slo. bat. ,%gioalpatentia Irv- proceed with ibe 0111 p., }p. itlpiskhep motions of great ..
, The •Bishep of LONDON p- . • Irbieb land. The lion. Alcoa's/m.lmi Matt res:bat the matiosa) kaportaseit ei;sagp44l4 41. ,Ihvbviltait bi.d.os!
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I'ATAX Acre. **Most the proposed concern w•to'llaitCa- expiration of the.timaiturv4eilesed/In plate*.
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thoitcs.—Laid on the table.
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petitio'n from tbeXerr trots and Blegase OfiriA:hfiell,ol. ainennt!Sif • behuteb issiiiii ' 0001. e Abs COMMON,saw 7 :Mr. Dwasas)/ lane&
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, pis tress of LANSDOWNE'. WiehmlL•hei talt •
~.)I,,,,r4A,LACX tpo • sitelite diet they oldish' oltliht treyAritibtii latorred-
goettioa-s1 Hoe Noble Berl opposite, • attain: mat Ap(il.* In*, iiit,dg Bill'to ed arced tin. es h , .
corrowleoste.wbkh had been laid Wien limitless*/ “zo ..., cl:'• •il . • ..0 ' •i!i•rk•H A t!1110‘77/61141.......,,,, , - •••0 ~ p• •,. • .
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piarsutte Ms motion. He wished to know sessella it ,-glii,le3* ,i, a ftt tit ' sti.cinitto, #4 - '• . " &
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sets tail inferred from that correspeaditheethasl du* jO9 attkriiii, Cb. ' . AsAirfievi alms enqpit,t/a3holik! u imprint easerzintstual
co.harthees, who were to be formed Is thof it •l- stood) abitast the , amendments. -He ' y disked did the
rrmsequence of the propose(' extenslitil '' 4l Of to lie upon thabtatslo.. .• ...1 1. I,' - 61'.. L Wt.: -.1.4 should beppeoCto• pg./ositt; es that theyliilltie its
Iniekinie, were net only to be debirre4 . _ W o'er, Lord STANLEY pretested a petltlsittesai the tows einenilVd foraeAbeithiltie pri . • ~, „• d . •,1 11.[L's
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of inning notes within 65 miles of LUlp'. i1,),104 that of ,Saltird..prayingiblik Ibtrillel fbesPbriotoll*o re-
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bfissuinir them payable hy correspoildeptei in tonii. 06 weal' of• the poor alight fish' lila* (Fed iTaistos. and t Ist.' ' Illt9o.o4,l4loootHittl.
‘oo,in the prescrid distance. If the latter were the terlie hit the tibkv. IOW I'l'4" '.."4'. ...'
' consideration on Wedlisaty.besh • . ~., .. .
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case, their circulation cool,' sot betray etnewolve; Mr. HLUNBURNlalkleAbbil4..idifitar.ase , ilsitsutorwitt!okatitia.4 •,g. •,' .• • -
The East **LIVERPOOL replied, that It wits 'mein- Satforktlisistk Dinti Brkirt7''''' 7."" 7' ''''' ' =,iji , ,I . , The Marciuess of LONDONDERRY moved throat.
tended that the motes issued by thesis Esdke ebOuld be -51 r; -C. lIATHUII ' 111111 a; '..' it_ ,• - Mdse Odle Deg lbw she isiddiettist of ihreniMetkil the
pi vabk in London, so so to eireoiss• ill-town. ' ' . "The ATTORNEY 'to die prim Agricultural Committee. ,
'l'Ne Marquess of LANSDOWNFI wet nailerttsqd to clpis of the Rill, hat his a' ' mere MI6 la Ile A conversation thin bee* phiee between- dui Nolde
esk whether any change was to take plate le the Usual low,a, tone as to be frequently • Inandilik. Ws eider- Marquess, Ille. **dolt, lod'Celolo MA* at to the
praeire of country Bankers to have agents or comes- stood him to say, that lodependeilt .( big alletitien to postponement of the notices afpolion give" bids... Iwo •
pondents in tows, where their, notes onp,M be paid. erect a new Court of the *Awe teesulted. he 'thought latter Hon. Meinhenl. '. .''
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