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ye fly reprobated
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_.. measurgin its present shape, but would be open to would of course int settled by a Ministerial scum
' ty, when it' wail ,known that the NobledbercL t en[ cheering.] Why did the lion. Baronet
conviction. •
• The Fart or LIVERPOOT -,:rltilOwali net the OPPcPsheOPd •
Bill.?. No ; the Hots. Baronet evidently approved
not merely the Noble Lord,, bet who. tietnede the House now. Was it to oppose the
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Lord Lyisedock was introduced In the usual form, between A thee for entering into the merits of the question ; but ever Os in office) was as minister clethed 4ith the
the Make of Argyll and Lord Kismoull, and took the oaths he begged leave so fo trespais on s, to sub.
sad .sis seat in the !louse. the • rules arid in. infallible mantle of a prophet, and all *ere ready to of the measure; but his object and ahn wa
The Gaol Fees Bill, and Hank Restriction Bill, were brought dulgence of the Home, as to say, that he did not bow to him as to an oracle. As to his own opinion on vent the Constitution. He did not come to oppose
up from the Commons, and read a Hut tone. conceive the effect 'of the measure, or at least of such the present pleasure, be firmly believed thathis Con. the particular administration (for he must do the
' CORN PETITIONS, a measure as he intended to propose to the House, stituents would despise him, if he should vote against Hon. Baronet the justice to say, that supposing the
The Earl of EGREMONT presented a Petition would be to raise the price of corn at all. This be his judgment ;if he had been disposed to support Government to exist, he had repeatedly acknow.
without halite. lodged, that it could not be administrated by better
disapproved of his con• bands than the present); but his wish was to oppose
against any alteration in the Corn Laws, which he should be prepared to show at the proper time.-- the measure, he should have done it
stated to be very respectably and numerously signed; His opinion was, that under the circumstances some Lion ; and if his electors had
ar ' the Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented it Peti. regulation was necessary ; hut as to the sacrifice of duct, he would not continue to impose himself epee •and overthrow the Conititutien.. He hoped that
licit to the same effect, frost Wilton, in Wiltshire. one speciei of intereet,in order to promote 'nether, them under the privilege of the unconstitutional Sep- those who opposed the Corn Bill were not dispo,ed
Eat I STANHOPE presented a Petition to the he utteily disclaimed any such idea, and no measure tennis! Act, but would immediately resign his situ.- tead.. 9 no. 1.1
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aytthe. sentiments ofthe lion. Baronet [no
Same effect from the parish of St. Ann's, Limehouse, 'that he believed to have that tendency could ewer Hon into their halide Ile must now express his especially as in truth there could be little deem that
nut) also Petitions from several otherquarters, having have hitt countenance or support. • Such a proceeding horror it the system which had been adopted of fill. Ihe was a' real friend to the Bill.—[The cheering at
the same object, all of which were laid on the table. was to be avoided in legislation geherally, but more , but
ins houses with soldiery, who fired in ambush upon the end of this speech was not merely loud h
His Lordship adverted to the fact of his having pro- particularly in legislating on a subject of this nature, the crowds before them; all the deaths so occasiou- tumullumis.]
. r posed a resolution last year, which had for its oh- The measure which he should have the honour to ed were legal murders. The Constitutioual civil Mr. M. A. TAYLOR, though no fiend to the.
of the calling out (lie
force. Every man had a right. to defend his house
ject to relieve the farmer, and pressure on the agri- propose to their Lordships would have for its object force should hare been called out for the protection Bill, highly approved military
cultural interest, without raising the price of corn. the advantage of the whole community, and not that of the town, instead of surrounding it with troops
lie now gave notice, that on Thursday next be would of' any particular class at the expense of the rest.— i like a besieged city. No Hien could walk the streets by all the 'Deena in his power. He had no taste,
submit to their Lordships' consideration the same As to their having a military force at their doors, :of a night without hazard, on account of the military, like the Hon.. Baronet, for hating Ilia house rued to
resolution, with a smell alteration, in order to pre- care had been taken never to call upon the military j There appeared to him to have been no justificatory the ground, jut should, if attacked, defend it to the
vest the possibility of being misunderstood. He to act till it becameabsnlutely necessary ; and as to i cause for shooting the midshipman the otherevening. utmost.
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therefore moved that the Lords be summoned for the clamour in the streets, he had no desire to pro. 1 The military force should have been displayed, and not Mr. METHUEN disclaimed all
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Thursday next—Oidered. teed with greater precipitation merely on that ac. : bid in ambuscade. No man ewer put spring-guns or the :opinions of the lion. Baronet.
Lord K ENG presented a Petition from Dursley, count. Ile only wished their Lordships to proceed . steel-traps into his fitrounds without giving due 'lo-
in Gloucestershire, against any alteration in the as if there had been sio such clarnour.—[hear, lice, and yet in this case soldiers were placed' in ,
Corn Laws. hap- ii—Even the existence of Parliament depended ; houses not only without notice, bet so concealed, 'as
Lou L! GRENVILLE presented a Petition to the on their deliberations being free. eto invite rather than deter an attack. He had him.
same effect, from this parish of St. John, Clerken- The Earl of CARLISLE did not mean to impute , self been misrepresented as a friend of the Corn
well, signed by 9148 persons. His Lordship also pre-•• any blame to Ministers for the employment of the Bill, and, therefore, might have been exposed to as-
sented a Petition to the same effect from the Incor- military force, which certainly appeared to be nieces- ' sauk ; but he would prefer to see his house razed to
pietism of Weeversin Glasgow. His Lordship then sary ; but his objection was to the proceeding with ' the ground to having recourse to unconstitutional
presented a Petition to the same effect from Green- precipitation while those riots were going on. He ! means of defending it. Out what was the cause of
wich. in Kent. was hardly a free agent while considering the question all these disturbances ? Why was it that the pee.
[This Petition was read, and stated in strong and under such circumstances, for rather than yield any pie paid no respect to large majorities in the House
pointed terms the inability Lf the Petitioners to thing to the clamour in the streets, he should be of Commons? It was because they felt that they
conceive how the imposing a high duty on import- willing to vote for the Bill with all its imperfections . were not properly represented ; for if they were
,
aeon should not have the effect of raising the price on i: head. once assured that'the House was constitutionally tsp-
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of carol The Earl of LAUDERDALE Insisted that• the pointed, they would readily believe that its decisions
Lord GRENVILI.E said it was a very able pa- effect of the measure would be to resider corn cheap, . contemplated only the public good. At the same
per both in its statement of facts and arguments.— and to promote the interests of the whole community. time he must say, that he thought great mistakes
The Petitioners noticed the regulations now in pro- His reasons fur that opinion he should be prepared to . had prevailed .on both sides, as to the evil or good of
gross in the House of Commons, and prayed that state fully at theproper season. • this measure. The labouring classes were mistaken
they might not be adopted. The Spirit Licence Bill was rend a third time and if they thought that they would he affected by the
The Earl of LA UDERDALE observed, that it passed.—Adjourned till Monday. ' measure, for their wages would of course rise in
was contrary to the rules of the house to receive • proportion to the price of food. The landed in.
petitions against itlis that were in progress in the HOUSE OF COMMONS. _ terest, too (against whom the most unjust Impute.
other Wove. They could know nothing about such Mr. DUDDALE presented a Petit' from Birmingham,: flees were cast), were equally mistaken if they
Bills till they came before them ; and, therefore, signed by 50,000 persons, against the Corn Hill. thought that any advantage could accrue &Om this
they could admit of no petitions against them. His vorrettilhilt: were
preservedo Mallowiewfrlo;lnr
telnd_ _ Wuktraoz,_..laataa-d •. nugatory protection. For his part he wished to see
Nehle Friend had said, that this was the ablest pa- Wolverhampton (the latter signed by 6009 I,:ente,), twat the ,no protection afforded to any particular branches ;
per he had ever read ; but at the proper period he Bill. , all should be regarded with an equal and impartial
Sir James Shaw presented a similar Petition from Alditate, '
should be reedy to show that the arguments were al- Mr. John Smith from Canterbury, *ad Mr. Barclay from the eye, for no greater calamity could arise than from
together unfounded, and lie was only sorry that his l Parish of Lambeth. arraying one interest against another, as if the me-
Noble Feints!, by the approbation which lie Paine.. Lord LASCELLES presented a Petition front the Chemists pied, the commercial, the manufacturing, and the
and Druggists apsrast the Apothecaries' Bill. •
sod, had tendered diem his. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a Petition in favour of tit il_...
cricutteral interests were different and opposite
Lord GRENVILLE said, that his Noble Friend •I Corn BM, which he said was signed by all the commercial ' pings. He was sorry that the coontry gentlemen
had sommishat misapprehmided the terms in which he l hesees
Mr. linAllralerdsaid rifacrrttoo•ncas Ittiltditvid"L be Histssa_should under.
'had suffered themselves -to be caPs.paws in the hands
had expressed his approbation. To say that this I stand haw wok.% weight we, ale w, Iwo Petition; watrehwd of the Ministers 'tower& the support of a measure
wee (he ablest paper he had ever read, enedd or. I ease pittereeeirglinety interested is the gape Cation of Irish which was exclusively for the beeefit of Gosetement.
Unity be toe. ing a great Ilea! •; but he had said, and '= in eel' eee„,the„ne. "''''' 1" fiet• the Off. a 6101°6- .For his (nrit_Ptt fie gait no remedy firttlkood
repeated it, titpt the paper was very ably written, - gir J. NEWPORT said, it was trafoir to *rote sleek moires other evils, finfth-i-riitiiiition of the Conelliation_ of
both as to its facts and arguments. With respect to test efibrersaida:;slthzt: r,Lrft.,„„, it assOt with mast the country.
'ti hers so Lourformersiotermted
the receiving of the petition, it had been decided by as the importation of foreign torn. ' ; Mr. ROBINSON rose apparently under the in.
their Lordships that they ought to receive petitions I Lord ARCHIBALD DANIA:FON could net hell Nokia; themes of strong emotion. Ue said, that. be had
against an y measure which was reported to be in j lIP°
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"411=PRIZVIDIa.n•es trti II; tyheatt"thr innufornlsrisistriorsrig:l. never presented himself to the Homes on this subject
coetemplation. Upon this principle, it appeared to 'so connected that the interest of one country was the interest of without great personal pain: and on the present oc.
him, that the present petition might he received. ~ the other. casion he must be destitute of every feeling of an
The LORI) CHANCELLOR said, that it ear- ,
I After a few words from Sir 11. PARNELL, the Petition was
laid on the sable. holiest man end a gentleman, if he was not affected
taint) was against the rules of the House to receive Mr. 110 WO RTH presented* Petition from Evetliam against with the unfortunate occurrence alluded to by the
petitions against specific measures stated to be in the Corn J 7 larva.
Hon. Baronet. Ile could assure him however that
AND presented a Petition from Devonshire in fa- 6 1
p rogress iu the other Houle; though petitions i voile of the Coro Lows, wad observed. that is the cututtry there soldiers had not been placed in ambush on his pre.
against any regulations generally, sash as petitions ' were more labouring poor out of employment than bad ever he- miies for the purpose of firing on the people. Sol-
praying gas orally that there might be no alteration !
i foals. rinllkAbrltT HEATHCOTE remarked that the winter diets indeed were sent for, and stationed a ithin the'
in the Corn Lees; might and lied been received. season was nut favourable for the employment of Leming la. house, because they could afford no protection with.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL stated, that the rule beurers• , net, the doors being entirely destroyed.—[hear,lard A. HAMILTON presented Petition from Lanarkshire et 9.
of the H aid ocher was as the Noble and Learned Lord .
, r places against the Cora Bill. lie met orea.ioa to he ar .o.l—i us house had been entered three several
had said. This petition was partly against any re- ; wwwark that it was rumoured, that the kleusberfor tit.og.m had times, and nothing but the appearance of the military,
gulatious generally, and partly against a specific etiged
Flh4‘l(.)/tillitleonsiosinettitlisisitsuiV= c . ki. .0.1.... be 'he verily believed, could have saved his own ler.
measure depending in the other House. There could had all alttog thought 110 s. too high a pnce. valets from being sacrificed to the fury of the pope.
ex'st in no specter any desire to refuse the petition, WF:sTMINsTEIt PETITION. • ' lace.—[fleur, hear, hear!]—Without the military,
and he recommended to the Noble Lord not to per- Sir F. BITB,DE'II' rose to present lbeireittnin-* there was no protection for his family; for on one
gist iii presenting this petition for the pri4.'itt, as he ster Petition against the Corn Laws, signtd bye' occasion, when the soldiers had retired, the mob
would :,onto probably have .in opportunity of pre. 41,473' persons. He would take this opportunity broke into the house immediately, at ten o'clock in
senilag it without any doubt as to its regularity. of correcting a misrepresentation that had gone the morning.—[/Isar, hear!]—lle conceived that
The E• rl of LAUDERDALE said, he bad no 1 abroad, that lie was a supporter of the Corn Bill.— he had an undoubted right to defend his family and
desire to prevent the petition being received ; and, .It was, and had always been his principle, that Go- property from destruction ; but it was not true that
I?tder 0, he would hardly have urged the objection 'eminent stone was interested in cart•yitig this men. soldiers had been placed in ambuscade : on the con-
vict ir, if he believed it could have the effect of pre., sure ; that it aruse out of the unnstural and excel- trary, both his servants and the 'soldiers presented
venting its being received; but it ought to be with- sive state of taxation ; and that, if proper torsos of . themselves repeatedly at the windows, and expressly
drawn till the proper time. i reduction had been resorted to, there could he no , warned the people of the consequence of their con.
Lord GRENVILLE observed, that the princiola pretence for a Bill which was now wanted to bolster' duct. The Hon. Baronet should also recollect, that
was to throw the doors wide open to petitioners, and up a corrupt system of Atiftsielst ration. ' he differed ! the Inquest, to the account of which he had alluded,
their Lordships would therefore be willing perhnns with hi: Constituents,. not it to the propriety of the i was nut yet over ;—[loird cheering —no verdict had
to relax a little from their strict rules on a question measere, but assts the inutility df petitioning. It: yet been given. He conjured the lion. Baronet, if
of this nature. However, as he would sena have an certainly was a great pity, that the public itidigna. Ihe valued the peace of the community, to abstain
opportunity of presenting it, without ply doubt as lion should be directed against individuals who sup. from observations which must hove bad effects.—
to iti regularity, he should withdraw it for the pro. ported this measure; and be bail eutiesemod to Im-el With respect to the measure itself, he could say as
sent. He then presented some other petitions to the press on the minds of his Constituents, AR ebe prin. I truly as the hon. Baronet, that whatever were the
same effect, which were laid on the table. cipal object to which their attentive 'should be 1 result, neither himself nor any of hisfamily would be
Earl GREY.—Whatever difference of opinion ' directed, was the corrupt state of the representation I benefited or injured a single farthing. •
He hoped
might prevail on this subject, all must agree that it :of the country. Some persons had pretended to say ! that the lion. Baronet would feel it to be his duty
was a question of great delicacy, and of vast import.' of him, that he had suffered his private interest to ' not to say another word which !Meld tend to agitate or nowt
once. It was manifest, therefore, that every thing stifle the public interest, and that the patriot was mislead the public mind.—[Loud cheering.] from
ought to be avoided which lied the least appearance of merged in the land-owner. It was unpleasant to Lord CASTLEREAG IL—lf the lion. Baronet was
hurry and precipation. There was besides some points : talk of himself, but he could say that this measure, had merely Winged himself with a general censure matized
connected with the question on which their Lordships : whether carried or defeated, would make no differ. of the principles and conduct of his Majesty's Go. fathers
had not as yet obtained all the information which ence to him. His estate had always bees en what vernment, he was prepared to have been perfectly nation,
they ought to have, before they were called upon to I might be called a peace establishment, and his sys- silent ; but when the Hon. Baronet had travelled never
decide on a measure of this importance. It appeared I teat bad always contemplated persnasent rather than out of his course to attack those necessary measures as the .
to him that a Committee ought therefore to be sp.! guctoating rents. NVhether, therefore, a price of which had been taken to secure the peace and safety tel mass
pointed to procure further information, amid lay the' 80s. or Is. was fixed, or no shillings at all, he should of the metropolis lie felt himself b d oun to make some Noble 7
result Worn the House. When this was done, their I not raise or lower his rents nun farthing. lie was n the observations. I 'Ent
place, he was convinced, fence.
Leid.hips would come batter prepared to the discus- I
surprised that Gentlemen in dismissing lbis question from theI equivocal language of the Hon. Baronets now .
clan of the misers now about to be brought before seemed to think that there was merely a choke of that he was in I • heart '
us a sincere friend of the Cart, of the
there. Having it in view to propose to their Lordships evils, and debated merely what price himid s be fixed. Bill, for otherwise be would have been in his place to Constit
the appoitement of such a Committee, he gave notice lie thought that such a discussion was Idlennd nags- oppose it , but, h • . '
owever that might be it was too ed to I
of a motion to that effect for Menddy, and moved tory, and that the matter to be considered was much for ;be II 5
note to the llcant
that theirtordships be summoned for that day.—OE. what was the origin of such a measure at aIM4-'-:on. Baronet to come '
House
.as if merely to stigmatize those who had used of wi
tiered. . Whatever might he the opinion of other Gentlemen, legal and constitutional means of defending their : ing di
The Earl of CARLISLE wished the Noble Earl ' his own decided opinion was, that the subject was- Ikea te
opposite (Liverpool) to state exactly to what extent iutimately connected with a Reform in Parliamesif, Baronet had taken 1
credit to himself on II former oc. ' smooth
it' was proposed to raise the price of grain or the for it sprung solely from the corrupt state of the R.e., casion for defendingl
his house, though that defencej hear:
reasons which induced him to believe that the isea. presentation. A Nobleman (Lord Greetville) in an. was in direct violation of the laws of the country • 1 limeNi
guirP in contemplation would mot raise the price of, ether place bad the true fl. oof 141 l• b and a
, with ee tree an ,ng is .. • !
di be new undertake to reprobate those who ' Wien,
corn? HisLordehip spoke in so low a tone, that man, expressed his itetonisliment that 'the tuition by • legal.' anti constitutional means defended their! w hoe.
we could not hear distinctly all that he said • but we could acquiesce in such an enormous peace establish- houses against Outrage and destruction ?—[Loud has spate understood him to deprecate precipitation said;
a mat. meat, which must lead to a military despotism; and claw •• j ling.. —.lle trusted that he should be able to' were
for 'of this insiportance, and observed, that It was that if such was the case, he should no longer take keep his
temper in Praking ms this subject; but all ! will deft
parsiculerly unadvisable to hurry it forward, while his place merely for the purpose of going thrOugh the teeth)of •
ga an Englishman and a loyal 'object I tuent-
they had such riots in the streets, and a military the empty forms of debate. Indeed it was futile and were rouser) whet, he heard those who adopted legal! Electt
forms at the door. lie himself was adverse to the absurd to come down to the house to dismiss what I d met ics sof protecting their tires and property thus guilty
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Oat 1-rid cheering.]-Why did the Hon. Baronet
se. Yiame;tes the House now? Was it to oppose the
the Bill.? No; the Hon. Baronet evidently approved
•to of tbe measure; but his object and aim was, to sub.
on vett the Constitution. He did not come to oppose
an. the particular administration (for he must do the
net Hon. Baronet the justice to say, that supposing the
ort Government to exist, be had repeatedly acknow.
to. ledged, that it could not be administrated by better
on. bands than the present); but his wish was to oppose
on .and overthrow the Constitution. . He hoped test
ap_ those who opposed the Corn Bill were not disposed
is. to adapt the sentiments of the lion. Barpnet jeo, Fm;],
his especially is in truth there could be little cicada that
If. Ihe was a real friend to the Bill.--[77se cheering al
on the end of this speech was not merely loud, but
u. ' tumultuous.]
fa . Mr. M•. A. TAYLOR, though no friend to the
on Bill, highly approved of the calling out the military
,ps force. Every man had a right. to defend his hams
ets by all the means in his power. He had no taste,
.y. like the Ilon.*Baronet, for having his house razed to
ry the ground, jut should, if attacked, defend it to the 1
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utmost.
METIIL; r: N disclaimed all ,partdpition ii,
or the •opinions of the Hon. Baronet. . .
o. Mr. 13: PAGE!' (we believe) confirmed the state.
in meat made by Mr. Robinson, of the :emelt in Bur. 1
s lington.street,' and of the warning given 6y the sod. m
n. (fiery previously to the firing. . .
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rii Sir JOHN SEBRIGHT conernended the manly
s. conduct of the Noble Lord. iluOite rest of Isis Ma. I
to jesty's Minister!, which hed; in his opinion, beet a
al marked both by firmness and mederation. For his a
of own part, if his house were attacked he shoulapre. v
o- cure men to defend it • be would 'place them, if be s
se thought proper, 'in ambuscade, nttetly. reprdlese of a
py the opinions of the Westmiustev coestleeents. al
re thought that the Right Hem Gentllsisiiialblr. Re.
a. binson) had been too aseete affected With what had
as happened opposite his tout.. If the death were an C
pie accident, it was to be regretted : if *the person
es killed had been .a trespasser, there was little °cm. r
of , sion for the complaint made by the ll.m. Baronet.- m
to For himself, he would state for the infrormation of ti
he the Electorp of -Westminster, that he should defend 0
in his own house to the last, and by all the means in* if
a. power.
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L. Sir F, BURDETT.-a4t in unt-anyetisb ti-•insibb
ly the House at any length, more particularly epee le
is what has been said regarding myself personally. I. vii
mam desirous, however, to set myself right with the it
; ; Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Rotainson); I F
si did not attach any blame to him individually, but to
m the soldiers
,who were employed. Ido Dot object cs
.. to any man who defeuds his house or his property, bi
m provided it be done legally and constitutionally; 1 gi
e should like to see every man in the metropolis F
n armed and. organized to preserve tranquillity ; but ,d;
Is Idp object, to the interference of the soldiers, by
'e which •a military despotism, instead, of a cOnititu. se
t. tional defence, wield be estahlish4- An Honour. of
it Stk. &Met (Sin O. St ' "' , ved, that lir
CA Nike Magialtstit' bit hem ' ' . :.* as, ho,,d
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:ot ' .this rceneall in
1. less milker for alter their character? ft reminds mar Ito,
dof a story have heard regardnicone of the West. of
.t minster Elections some years. ago. Jib. partisaiieof of
the different candidates were erginited ioso small - i
n bodies, armed with, italf-poles, the site of a constable's 4
1 staff, with which they were able to do great mice- •
e lion, and eotnetlmes even, I believe, committed mut. Zit
t dens. They. were under leaders who conducted them *1
. about the town, one of whom one day asked La
. whether it would not be better to hate a little esa
e law on their side? His men did not under- Ili
. stand, nod
,he proceeded to explain, that what ' I
made a legal constable was a paitited staff, and shc
I he asked them whether It would not be better to‘lito i
their half.poles'painted like them ? So it is with the het
. other side, who defend the introduction of 'teasel. ig
. diary, by putting a Police Magistrate at their bead, the
arguiug by that means its military character was I Loi
. ; changed. Thus It Is, that all constitutiotial Model Ira
;t of defence are neglected- and fall Into disuse.- , at t
i i V°, no, no!)-Gentlenten may cry no, no, no, ' 1,
tI if they please, but are they ipotesi that, con- 1, it
I 1 stitutionally speaking, such a thing as a stunting T
t ! soldiery is unknown in this country. What (bon To
• . was the proper sad effectual voodoo( suppressing riots on
I before our army was employed agaiiisi the people? My ,lai
• ' object, therefore, is not,as the blade Lord is pleased al
to represent It, to overturn, but to restore the Constitu. b
lion. Let the House recollect who it is that yea-
; tures to make this charge against me. Weo sa t
, • is to overturn the Constitution ? Wh the I
I Lord, who was Mull detected in an act for which 1
be ought to have lost his heat .- , ear! ant is
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Igred-con utter. i I sat. that for t 1 a the NIR
ail,
:Ler to have lo •an by as so;is
r corrupt noose of wen ... -. it
yea e , an would hast-astfezed, II was ea o a
traflickin in seats in this House. Th able or
and hls friends round him 'laugh ; he ',ay laugh .
now, secure in the protection he has received is
from- this House ; but when this heinoul traffic j
was disclosed, you yourself, Mr. Speaker, stig-
matized it as a new practice, at which our fore.
,
fathers would have started with horror and ',dig'
nation, and yet the Noble Lord was pardoned, let it It
never lie forgotten, because the crime was as neterimse s
as the sun at norm-day, and he escaped in the gene. f I
rat mass of corruption' and delinquency. yet.thi ; ,oi
Noble Lord, admittedto be guilty of this great of. ' I
fence, this direct attack upon the Constitution, *di
now ventures to stand forward amidst the applauses ou
of the House, as the upholder and supporter of that 1 re
Constitution which lie is proved to have endeavour-
I
ed to overthrow.-Ulear, hear 1 and confusion.]- . re
I cannot approve of the-public tumults, the tweaking h
of windows, or of the unmanly practice of attack- I 1
ing defenceless individuals, but still less do I approve at
1 of the more unmanly practice of letting loam as . L
. . armed force upon au unarmed populace.--[Near,' 1 t
hear!]-But I cau bear with patience the charge of ht :
the Noble Lord, that I wish to renovate the Giusti. tit
; tution, because it has been, lam proud to say, the li. oi
whole object of my life. The Honourable Baronet it
has spoken of the Electors of Westminster as if they on
; were engaged in these disturbances : be says that hb ild
will defend his house to the last against my Coosti•
tuents.-.Does he mean tallegPft that the entighteoot I.
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Electors of the important City of Westmi..ster are a
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guilty of these out rages ?-:/leor, hear! anif langfro
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say that an Member has a right to make
ash an assertion, however obnoxious my Constitu-
ents way be to the corrupt portron of this House.—
ihile a right to call it so—the Noble Lord was de-
veted in disgraceful prattieme—he was taken in the
fact, sad ex uno disce owlet; that was only one in.
woe of a consistent systein of pt offigacy.
Mr• Inn URN rose to order : the Honourable
avow was not entitled to call the House corrupt.
The SPEAK ER.—The Honourable Baronet, from
big everience in Parliament, must know that she
ilataage just used is a breech of the orders of the

jir FRANCIS BURDETT.---" I know, Sir, that
rantrary to the rulei of the Rouse. I wish it
~re also contrary to truth"—(Order, order!]
Mr. EL SUMNER thought, that es the Hon. Ba.
Not bad allowed that lie knew he was transgressing
the orders of the House, his words should be taken
danii.—Nrien of No, noo
Sir FRANcts BURSA fr.—" It is quite indif-
ferent to me. I will say but one word more : I can-
Not understand why my language with respect to
this measure should be called equivocal, when I
h4se exit: ebsly declared, that I do not care one straw
e,:oat it."
•SirJOIIN SF:BRIGHT explained, that he did
nos roan to cast ally reflection upon the Electors of
ly..,trn;nster: tie only alluded to certain persons,
whom the lion. Baronet was in the habit of addres-
sins in l'alace.yard.
5.- F. The lion. Baronet should
be irforb ed that the Householders of Westminster
are th Electors. The Noble Lord has termed my
ar;umentS equivocal ; now I do not care one straw
whether the measure is or is not carried. lam only
sorry that Gentlemen of the country have interfered,
Lid that the people hare been deluded by it."
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meant to enter into a general statement on Wednes- i laced. He admitted tads pelnciple generally, but did' but be thought the agricultural batik!! *Mottle! dti
day, without previously' laying the necessary docu- ithei, not see that the peewee state of circumstances aupportril.
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meets before the House, beemust protestagetust givsl wee inapplicable? if the whole of Europe were Another' MEMBER, as to whom We were in the
ing any opinion on such ieformation. He must, I ender oue Govertiteenteself it •were tine great tali. same prielicamere, spoke shortly in favour of 76t. id
therefore, put in his claim for time. Ily,, if 'all were as mach disposed tie dispense hap. preference 4o 80'. •
Lord cnsTLERF,AGA merely intended to give a , pleats as they were often found to injure oils another, Mr. GORE LANGTON said he should oppose
general-outline of what been done at Congress. Ihe should then say, let every country produce that the measure, hecause he thought ii altogether unite-
General GASCOICNE presented a Petition from . which the nature of its soileuelenther cireumstantes cessary ; and it was a known maxim in legislation,
Liverpool, signed by 48,000 persons, preying that may ieoder beneecial; and lent ifipply other tuitions that every thing tentiecessary should be avoided. The
no alteration might be made in the' Corn Lame He with its superabundance. Nothing would be mole voice of the petiele was decidedly against the mea. .
observed, that when the Corn Bill was first intro- just than that principle; hat it was worthy of the Buret and he should consider himself as an uno or-
duced, a great difference of opinion existed in the I moseserious consideration, that those very countries ; thy Representative of the County of Antitersetos Idris
town of Liverpool as to the propriety of that mea- i frotn which we might derive supplies, were countries , he had the honour to represent, if he emit! he in.
sure ; but as soon as it was found to what length the i which, at ho great length of time might be united duced to support such in abominable proposition as
House were proceeding, there was but one general ' nediest this nation.—[ffeer, hear!]—lf that were i that contained in this Bill.
sentiment, and the Petition had been subscribed thd cam, we had sufficient reasons for not trusting to ,' Mr. C. GRANT said, he differed With the last
without any meeting having been called. With rN• their kindness, or good policy. As to having been speaker as to this Bill being unnecessary; on the
spent to the riotous conduct of the populace in the supplied by France at aapartictilar period, he begged contrary, it was most essential to the interests of the
metropolis, he would only observe, that a measure the House to remember, that that was not owing to country that the price of this article of manufacture
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of this kind must naturally produce great sensations, the situation of our commerce, but because the so truly interesting to the whole community, Mimed
! . though not disturbances; and lie hoped that Mini-, French Emperor found it a productive source of be ascertained as nearly as possede. This could emir
i sters would adopt effectual measures to prevent a I revenue. ' But would Gentlemen put the happiness . be done by securing a sufficient and a permanent snip.
recurrence or them. lof so many millions upon au issue like that ? Would ply. in order to effect this, it would be necessary '
I Petitions were alio presented from Chesterfield 1 they trust to the mercy of France for supplies? Would to encourage the agriculture of this country by a
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't omen, against the Corn Laws. I they trust to any commercial interests whatever ? No; protecting price. It was well known that a precede
Lord MILTON moved for papers relative to the ' there could not be any troth morecertain then thise. • ous market was always a deer market, Whilst a rege.
New Post-eifice.—Ordered. • lilt!, great country like England should be independ. tar market was ever a cheap one
Mr. BARING presented Petitions from Plymouth ent of fereeen nationswith regard tohersupplyfor food, Mr. MARRICAT said, that after baring on dif.
Dock, the parish of St. Mary-le-bowie, and Taunton, Providence bad given us the means of satisfyiug all our 1 torrent occasions delivered his opinion on the present
against the Corn Laws. He feared, however, that , waogseepd we shook! be ungrateful and undeserv. i measure, it was not his intention hi hale raid a word
Moose Petitions, like all others, Would be laid open ' dog. It Tedid not avail ourselves of its kindness. He !on the present evening, had it not been that the No-
the table, and disregarded. An important discussion - was aseheished, therefore, to hear Honourable Mem. ble Lord in the blue ahemd had blended the late
bad been raised upon the Westminster Petition,' ben- erre, that we should depend oil the policy of I disgraceful proceedings with the opposers of the Bill.
which he was unwilling to prolong, or be should foreign nations for our cadence. Did the great i [Agree cry front the Minfsterial side of No, no !1
have replied to the appeal of the Noble Lord, as to commercial Gentleman, who had spoken so frequent.' He was glad to hear the impotetion'distisimed, for
' disavowing any intention of inflaming the public ly on that subject, suppose that France would not ibe had so Anderstood it. •
mind. He considered it altogether unnecessary for • raise the price of corn, when the demand for it was Mr. GOOCH gave his cordiesupPerf to the Bill.
him to disclaim such intentions • and lie thought that increased? It:the Honourable Gentleman would con- Sir GILBERT HEATIICOTE rose, and there
teem who disapproved of the Bill had much to con- sitter that point, he would find that all the reasoning ! being a cry of-Question, Question! the Honourable
,I4olaiii of the prejudices which the riotous behaviour was not confined to one side. Ue would next say a i Baronet asked the Gentlemen who seemed thus dis.
A Petitioning ma— •of the mob had excited ; for he felt persuaded, that few wordsiweep the policy of promoting the agricul- posed to interrupt him, whether they thought they
Corn Laws. I with the general voice of the nation against the mea- tare of the country; and instead of speaking of the saw in him one of those ruffians out of doors, whom
Mr. WHITBREAD rose anti said, as his motiog sure, Ministers would not have proceeded with it, country Gentlemen in the way which the Honourable they seemed to dread, who was likely to 'be in. •
respecting Foreign Itelationt stood for Wednesday ! had they not deemed it necessary to show their firm- Gentleman had done, he would say, that it was the timidaied ? But he could assure tbese Gentlemen,
see, he skculd be glad to know whether the adili. loess on the occasion. He lamented that the Hon. pride sod honour of this nation, that we had that I that whatever might be their disposition or efforts,
creel Treaty of Chaumont had been ratified. Mi- Brironat had not given him any assistance against the race of men in the country who fertilised the districts ,he was not to be restrained 'from the performance °
misters had been frequently questioned on that sub- , Bill ; and he thought, instead of the country gets- around them, more than any other country in .of his duty, which naturally led him to depre.
yet, and had always answered that it was unratified; tlemen having been made cat's-paws by Government, Europe. The manufacturing interests ought, no cate this most mischievous measure. It was, be
eat he then wished to be informed, whether the No. that Government had been made cat's-paws by. the doubt, to be protected; .and be was persuaded, that observed, strange to hear some of the most zealous
tee Lord (Castlereagh) bad it with him, and whether country gentlemen. As to the, unfortunate trans- he, who had sprung from a commercial stock, and partizans of this Bill state, that it was not likely to
he intended to lay it en the table ?--At the same action in Burlington-street no man could deplore it bed so long represented a district where manufactures' produce any material benefit to the agricultural
time, he wished the Noble Lord to state, whether more than he did. ' Great sensations must naturally leswished to a vestment, would never be suspected interest, while they pressed for its adoptiou. The
i; *ere true that Bonaparte had landed with troops in .be excited; but he entirely disapproved of the beim. • ait undervaluing commerce. But he wished it to be benefit then of this measure was merely problemati.
Frame? ! viour of the mob, and 'admitted that persons were remembered, that no less than one huisdred and fifty cal, white the evil its proposition occasioned was '
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that the rutin- justifiable in repelling attacks upon their houses. He articles were prohibited (or the purpose of favouring real. It had occasioned an 'universal ferment, and
Winn of the Teeaty had been received, and would , would not go to the length of approving all that the our owe, manufactures. The w hole would he injured would it then be wise to press it while the good look.
be included in the information which he intended to Honourable Baronet had said respecting Parliamen. in the end, and none more than the manufacturer.-- led for from its adoption was soconfessedly uncertain I
give to the House. As to the lauding of Bonaparte in tary Reform ; but he felt persuaded that the conduct The agriculturist most be paid somehow or other ; ! The House had heard a great deal of the distress
noire, his Majesty's Government had received offi- of the House on this measure had done more injury but people would give op some things, especially , prevailing among agriculturists,ind bedeplored that
cal information of that event. to their reputation with the people than all the irreales •of luxury, for necessary food. Notwith.; distress as much as any man ; bet it-Arnold be re.
Mr. WHITBREAD trusted, that the Noble Lord speeches which the Bin. Baronet had ever made. standing, therefore, all timelier! been said on behalf ! collected that the extent and seetwity•Of this dls..
wed& on Monday neat, put the House in possession Mr. BRAN 0 observed, that though he had always of the manufacturing interests, the Hoare should con- ! tress rested solely on asaertion, while the distress
rf the Treaty, preparatory to the discussion of a . been attached to every thing that might proei4T Par. shier the situation of the peasantry, who could not ,of the manufacturers in consequence of the. Ostlers ,
gritc.riety of important topics; and he hoped it liamentary reformation, set lie disapereveti of the weed to plead t it own cause ;—they shouldroes,' in Vettricil w.aa--faxue-iaiesP•A--aibigeritee—e- rterc•••-
-,ould he found, in the emu of the Noble Lord's introduction of that subject as cossueceid.. witkettio -ogee. aliens imp ss titre -111-tter-ratliaAtint wit-h.-ion , House. Yet to the latte who ma :from the ---.
ititarmation,that crreat flitalii sad theektlied Poeson present measure, whet her bittivilettoerable !turnout, tiesesead tongues, to pretest them and their families., i operation of • legislative . p lt. at. ' ;ens made
leeprnerredan'emmacelate character, consistent with .or the Honourable Geiitisunlw• ' Every visisig bele- Mai respect fat the reetrlcting price, be had net Iby the Legislature to - . tiny . :lie' compete.
OP principles they bail professed in the proceedings ' rogeneous and inconsistent had been touched upon tmard one slag!. argument to show, that beause the sation at the expellee alike other classes of the
of Congress at Vienna. by the Honourable Gentleman in the coarse of his sum was fixed at 80..,i the price of corn must neces- community. But hot* different the aneesore which
Lord CAS I'LEREA.G II thought it strange that speeches on this subject ; and after having done wily be raised to that extent. But that price would : some legislative landlorsts were about to deal nut
tLe Honourable Getitienian should call for the pro- every thing to inflame Ow public mind, he thee said afford a sufficient inducement to the agriculturist to' to their tenantry in this instance.—[Here There
&eerie Of the Treaty before the supplies had been that he had acted from feeling and conscience. The improve Isis lands, because he knew that his espencesi Val again it cr,' of Question, question !] The Hon. Bt.
voted. 'Hon. Gentleman had declared, that the country gen- , would be repaid by it. He should have thought, ! said, not ii it let .iiding the cry of question, that in this
Mr. WHITBREAD desired to inform the Noble . tlemen had made cat's-paws of the Ministers; hot, ! however, that 765. were a sufficient price; but he saw ;! last stage of this obiroxious Bill, he felt himself in.
hid, that the stoney had been voted ; and, there- however he might then lament the situation to which most distinctly, that it would be better to go beyond i dispensably called upon to oppose it. He bad heard
:are, the Conveation ought to be laid before the' he had reduced the metropolis— ;what the consumers thought necessary, in order to I no new arguments in support of it, and therefore,
douse. I Mr. TIERNEY rose to order. lie was sure there ; intstect the growers. He said, therefore, it would be I remained fitmly of the same opinion, that if the
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the Treaty I must be au end to all debate if such consequences 4. with considerable epprehension he should stop at ' House passed the Bill it would put the whole king.
should be presentee with all convenient speed. ! were to be attributed to his Honourable Friend; and, 701. if those persons more conversant with the sub. i dom into a state of dreadful ferment.—[A cry of
Mr. TIERNEY observed, that the money had therefore, he thought it better that the House should 'ject then be was should persist in iueferriit sou. • 1 No, Po, no! frogs the 111;aristerial Benelies.:l,--
been voted in confidence, and the only reason as. adjourn till the metropolis were in 4 state of perfect thoegh it Ite were guided by his own opinion, he' Gentlemen might cry No, no . but he referred them
'hoed fur net prMlucing the Treaty before was, that tranquillity. ' ' should deem 765. sufficieut. If, however, the lower to. the innumerable petitions from every pert of the
the ratification had not been received. The Noble : Mr. BRAND was under correction ; but if any peke would or was likely to diminish the cultivation kingdom, signed every where by the most respect.
Lord, however, seemed to consider, that lie was Hon. Member ascribed improper motives to those of land, be thought it might produce an injury !able classes of society,
r as well as by the manufactor-
anting a favour in declaring that be would present • who supported the Bill, it was natural for him to re- ;to the dountry that would be terrible to contemplate. ring, labouring, an . d sower order. ; and he would
it to the House; but he (Mr. Tierney) demanded it ! pal the charge. Ile wished, however, to Show the On this! head, one side was as murk concerned as the: ask them how they could fly in the face of so !early
its a right, and would tell the Noble Lord, that that incongruity of the Honourable Gentleman iii intro-' isther,—•-thetonauther as much as the grower ; motet* thousands on thousands who felt themselves deeply
Minister betrayed his trust who neglected to produce , (luting Parliamentary Reform. The Hoessfaronet i the alteration of one-fifth might tend, as had been interested, without Opposing they Mist create A
a Treaty, after he had received it. Whatever the seemed to concur a ith him (Mr. Brand) on the ; represented; to introduce a scarcity of corn, it should ; very groat sensation in the whpte country. Ilitt
Noble Lnrd might think of that language,- it was, he Corn Laws, and lie concerted with the Hoisooratile ,at aU. events be Avoided. Ile was sorry to be ob- I high price of 80s. had been fixed as a ' fair remit-
conceived, completely Parliamentary, and not li- i Baronet as to Reform, but not precisely lir the same I Hied to deliver such sentiments aa this subjaccas i nerating price, but he had heard no other authority
able to those objectkos Which the Noble Lord had ! way. The two subjects ought not to be connected ! they might differ with those of many persons in the i fur it but the opinions of Surveyors, who had beea
made to the speech of an liminurable Baronet. The , on this occasion. i West Riding of Yorkshire, with whom ho had for. ! proved to be interestedeiVirie ensued much cough.
Hem had a right to know what Treaties had been I Mr. BARING contended, that he was strictly in i mutely mated, and for wham he had the highest respect ;'ins, and other signs of frepidience.l—He would en.
wade, an'd the Noble Lord was bound to furnish them ' order, as to what he had said respecting Par-' bat he sated from an honest judgment, and having : ile
ents avour to discharge his duty as a Representative of
with
v information. i liamentary Reform ; and he repeated that the men- I done so, he must console himself with the conscious.
; his Constitu as well as he could, and notwith-
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Lord CASTLEREAGH considered it unworthy sure then before the House woold injure their re. mess of having done his duty, and what he thought standing the disinclinstion there seamed..to be in tne
or so sagacious a Member of Parliament to charge litigation with the people. They would lose more by . fps; the best. House to gite him a fpir hearing, he was resolved to
Lis Majesty's Ministers with a breach of trust, if' persevering in that meature than by any act that bad I iveetis opinion. As an independent Member of that
Mr. BROOKE spoke in so low' a tone that we i g,,, be
bad
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they retainers a Treaty for a few days. He thought l'ever taken place since he hail sat within thole walls. meld not ascertain whether he was for or. against the • netald
is woeel be better, ns he had before observed, to its. IHe had never said, that there were persons who bad Bee . . I ruptkous as those which had been offered, should
Prevent him from doing what he concerned to be his
chilli. it iii his eeneral statement than to five partial ' not voted conscientiously ; but •he maintained that !
toed BARNARD said, he thought a protecting P . .•
r, duty • and if he should he obliged to retire from the •
information to the House ; but as the lonourable ! this was s question between landed proprietors and l'euiseshoild be given to the grower, and he therefore ; Hes; se', he would add ass the People of England as
gentleman seemed to press the matter, lie had no dif- i the great body of the people.—[ No, no !j—Gentle.
heartily concurred in the present measure.
.• ! 'Waite cause of his retirement. Gentlemen had .aid
.culty ie saying, that lie would present thee% eaty on !men might say no; but he was person ed he was
Monday neat.. I
right, without following the supporters of the : Mr. smimig (Member for the University of 'a great deal about popular clamoiir out of doors,
ICambridge) said he agreed in the necessity of a re
Mr. WHITBREAD 611141, that nothing could be ; measure in all their agricultural trumpery.— ~
ma-e centemptuous than the mummer in which the [Laughing.] striction in the importation of corn into this coun-
try, but not with the arguments adduced in behalf of as much clamour within that House, and if it were
intended thus to cry down and. distourage every Mem.
Noble Lord had treated the House, especially after 1 The Petitions were then brought up, and ordered the highest
n! of her who thought prOper to oppose the will of the Mi.
he confidence which it had reposed in him. He ,to lie on the table. .. , highest price. He adverted to the opinion
alert for such information as the Noble Lord pus- On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the
Mr. Malthus, who lo the course .of lest year had nister and the majority, that House was soon likely
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‘el, and he thought it strange that nn y Member EXCHEQUER, it was resolved, that the House, doubts on the subject which had since been removed;
and be was now of (minim; that 80s. would be a• to become .a mde chamber for registering the edicts of
`Parliament should have occasion to call upon him, on its rising, should adjourn to Monday next. .
oisideritlg the manner in which he had been treated. . venni Met.. i fair price. Mr. Torrens, en the contrary, who was '
was no question that was more universally understood
'Pe should, therefote, move an Address to the Mr. ROBINSON moved the Order of the Dar a very great authority, thought 765. would throughout all the various classes ef the community
I tatting price. For his own part, he thoughtbea pleeres..l ;it was to e most common
than Ibis wits obviops • Ili. * common
k ce Regent, praying that his Royal Highness for the third reading of the Corn Rill.
uudeiltandiog. In confirmation of tbia, he men-
He had voted against the Resolutions on
"celd be pleased to order the Treaty to be laid be- Mr. PROTHEBOE moved that the Bill should be ;Lao Wt.
rce- the House. read a third time on that day six months. I thateaceourtr, 'bat it • had shoe bees eionteedede that', tinned a petition which.-he had within the last ten
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he would take mea- Mr. FREMANTLE, la a abort speech, the old price of 68s. MIS safficieet. With this elm' • days-received from senora! of his own tenants who
tunes for presenting the l'reaty on Monday. posed the Bill. aP" *ion he differed, and would 'rather give 'the pre' rented land from him el rents which hadbein lately
Mr. WItITBR EA D then desired to know, whether Mr. WI LB ERFORCE said the Hon. Gentleman • ference to 80s. against G
as titan
:stand out for 765. seised.; and the sole prsyer of. their petition was,
seemed to think, that all the •
or 72s Is these different treme prices, be thoughtthat •
they might be permitted to pay their old rents.
ley, and what money had been paid before the rati- who had just sat down
side . •
d to tie lower whether 't •If this were acceded to, they would think they were
danger lay ; and he would ut it to the Peti-
it Leon of the Treaty ? danger and mischief were on one only ; bat if , She °
sufficiently remuuerated for every improvement they
Lord CASTLEREAOII.44 I do distinctly Seib those who had argued
would not be better to have a protecting price which
in support of the Bill were gar. ! boners, se even e orders, a
could make in their 'several farms. This clearif
hat no money whatever has been paid." . reef in their opinions, thy measure was absolutely
h Id bread from being' very high,
rather showed, that they did not-. lie Ibis measure in the
Mr. WHITBREAD wits glad to hear that decla- necessary. There was a genera . i impression, that son Prevent
SI:on, and was anxious fur the statement of the opening oar ports freely for the 'repot. tonrtat of than oats which should snake it extrangaetly low,
and thereby endanger the aecessary supply of the same point of, view that many Members of that
House did. Be warned the /loose that it was putting
i--ble Lord. Such ag,.
reeable intelligence as that foreign corn w'ould prevent agriculturists . from . sup. home
grower
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corn.
a most powerful engine ;lot, Abe heads .of the Re.
eich he had communicated could not come too prying Oar home market, and would occasion a tee..
that were Sir H. PARNELL spoke at considerable length in forming, who would dmir from it this Ince etre.
true, what could be more serious, what more alum.
ral decline and decrease of agriculture. If
favour of the Bill, ssa measure necessary to protect vertible conclusion, that a Ucumeeef Commons 'thick
ing ? If it weretree, it was necessary for the general
the farmerswe bath of.
?Dig , land-anti Ireland against, the was preperly constituted, and a fair atid.actual n•
weal of the empire that die Legislature should tiding sereign gee IN , • M- ' • peasentation of Ike people, would not dare to treat
proper remedies before it were to* late. Gentlemen - A MEMBER, asiltue name we could net learn, their Constituents with such -contempt. He was,
said, that envy thing skoold be loft to Ltd itcoltm aid he did not. meats to ups agalvat isvortatioa) himself an avowed Reformist, and? u such, might

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