The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-07-05 00:00:00

Lord DONOUGIIMO:t F. said, that the qmsnlity
or wish to make a (Titan' tivantitj 4.f ,pouts br g
dui) asremined. he c•••utd 110 101%011 lit j miry
the disinetion maintained I.) the Yule
het n pen Ow iatiation nt and Irish spirits.
IVitett, hot% ••ver, the 044.4 m. 'sore alludoll in or
the Noble ti cri oil, should t►e adopted, he ousted
that this distinction would he d •ose Remy, and the
pre-ent would lie the Imo il-t i diois from the toglith
p4inciplo of la taihts, which Ireland would be r.m.
demned to exp,..lence. 'the N..ble Lord c.•nrl .tied
with stating, that I e a ~01,1 nn• di►ide the (;4.mmittee
upon the 11 it he hoped that his suipestions
would be dui) ro.t.itle•ed.
The clauses were ner..t•►t tn.—Report to.mnrrn*.
Lord LAUDERDA ens.. notice of his inter.
tints to move, 10-n.IH row, the second reading of the
Pillory Abolition B.:l.
Adjourned.

I PI TINONS.
Earl GREY presented a Petition from Mr. Matti-
son, complaining that he had not been duly compen-
sated for his Invention to save the Lives of Ship.
wrecked Seamen, and that he had applied in vain to
the Admiralty. The Noble Lord said, that he
could not speak to the merits of this transaction,
but that he felt it his duty to present the Petition, ; HOUSE OF i'OIIIIONS.
which was ordered to lie on the table.
The Marquis of LA NSW WNE stated that he The Charitable Donation Bill w era:! 'mould time. after.
, w.o ruoututire, and "were.: to tie read n third time It, I..ot-
itati two Petitions; one from the Surgeons and Medi• I,•st.
Toe Funded Debt Bill, the Epsom Soh ti It, and -11;rit
cal Practitioners of Waterford, praying to be put
litierroui.e Bill, were scieralty relict a tour ; to or, :Mc' y.n ed.
on the same footing as gentlemen of the same rotes.;
sine in Ibis countrc,—and the other from the Prue.; (MANGE ASSOCIA
Sir 11. PARNELL rose, pursuant to his notice,
tising Solicitors of the county of Ross, against the to living under the attention of the !louse the existing
additional Stamp Duties. To the admiSsion of the grievances felt ill Ireland, by the practices of Orange
latter he was aware that a certain objpction was Societies. There had, he observed, been no less
urged, to the ptincipte of which he could not by any ' than 14 petitions presented to that !louse, and signed
means subscribe: but the former was of course un. by many thousand persons, stating that considerable
exceptionable, and he should consider it his duty to grounds of complaint prevailed, bet that Ito redress
call the attent. of the House to it on some future had been afforded. The House was aware of the mi.
occasion. Tne Noble Lord added, that he should tore of Orange Associations in Ireland. They colt.
also feel it right to bring the principle which applied sisted of lodges, which were established throughout
to the admissibility of the other Petition distinctly all the large counties in the North of Ireland, and
under the consideration of the House.' !comprehending nearly the whole plantation of those
The Petition from the Medical Practitioners was, (listricts. Each Member, of the Association took an
after a few observations from the Lord Chancellor,' „th, and in which he swore to support his present
and Lords Limerick and Liverpool, which observe- ! Majesty King George, and his successors, on the
tines were, as well as we understood, in favour of throne of these realms, so long es they maintained
the prayer of the Petitioners, ordered to lie on the the Protestant principles and succession ; a sort of
table.
rooditional oath of allegiance, which was, he Cone
Earl STANHOPE adverted to a Petition which ' tended, illegal. They also took an oath of secrecy,
he presented some time ago from a person who had as well as one by which tiny hound themselves not
beets confined above three years on the ground of to communicate, except to Ornrigenw,i, a copy of
bankruptcy. This person had applied to vain to the their secret articles. Such "mere the principal features
Lord Chancellor to be heard personal:y, hut the which distinguished those associ.ti,,is, and uts should
Lesrned Lord expressed doubts of his authority to now proceed to show how their proceediiess had pun.
have the Petition brought up, in rotiserptence cf ducerl those evils complainad of in the ellegetbeet of
which he (1"11 S.) had it in contemplation to bring in the Petitioners. In toe flist place the public peace in
a Bill to have those doubts removed, with a view to the districts where those societies esis'erl, through.
have justice done to the Petitioner, who denied the out the whole of the North of Ireland, was disturbed
validity of the bankruptcy; but he was now glad to by their tumultuous a..d riotous proctosim.s. It waS
learn that the doubts alluded to were found to be un- manifest also, that rhuse aasocietions had a_tetidericr
warrantable, and therefore he did not feel it neces- . to keep up that spirit of animr.sits and discord
nary to press the Bill. I among neighbours, founded up or religious distine.
VACCINATION RILL. I lions, which it must equally be the policy aid the
Earl STANHOPE gave notice of his intention to ! wish of Government to discountensoce, anti if pos_
move to.morrow the second reading of the Vaccine- sible to suppress altogether. The l'etitiens likewise
firm an, with a view to have it rejected. This mea. alleged, that the existence of Orange Societies min a
sure proposed to have half-a.crewn given to every decided tendency to iuterfere with the due nalminis.
pauper who had a cllid vaccinated, while the matter tuition of justice, in a variety of %ass. Mans of
used in vaccination was, according to the statement the Magistrates iii Die Noah of Ireland were Orange.
of its own advocates, of three ditf.rent descriptions men, and there was a general leaning ammitche n to.
—the first good, the second indifferent, and the examine evidence with great strictness on one side,
third good for nothing. Such a measure he had no and with equal lenity on the other, Recording as the
hesitation in pronouncing the most ridiculous ever in- success or character of Orange principles wts in-
troduced into that House. ; volved in the questions that cause before thorn. Nor
Ittlsii sill ell DUTY. were the jurors even wholly free from such a bias,
On the committal of the Irish Spirit Additional and instances had occurred, in which Orangemen,
Duty Bill. being jurors, had brought in a verdict in direct
Lord 1)0NOUG lIMOR h; animadverted upon this opposition to the strongest evideace that %vac ndthiceri.
measure, which was conceived peculiarly grievous to He trusted that the House, when they knew that such
those upon whom it was intended to Operate. This evils flowed from the existence of Orange Societies,
Bill, which from some omission or misunderstand. would think it a subject worthy of their notice, with
iiig of its character, passed sub silottio in the Corn- the view to rescue the North of Ireland from the
moss, proposed not only 641. upon every pilot' of longer continuance of them. They were not ima.
spirits distilled, after the p.issisig of the Act, but to ginary or trifling grievances of which the Petitioners
impose that addition upon all the stock on hand, with complained, but, on the contrary, of a description
such an addition also upon malt as would serve to which severely pressed upon them, and loudly called
produce an additional tax of If& per gallon on for redress. Ile had very recently received a letter
spirits. But to subject the stock of spirits and malt from Ireland, in which it was stated that the same
on hand to the additional duty he tlought extremely associations were still going forward, producing the
unjust, and the more so, as is was inconsistent with same consequences, and that if something was not
the E glish principle of taxation upon spirits, which i speedily done by the Government, another year
in no instance, when any advance of duty took place, would prove the serious nature of the evils which re-
exteeded to the stock on hand. Such a measure then suited from them. The lion. Bart. here read an cc,
as the present obviously required further cutisidera- tract from Judge Fletcher's Charge to the Grand
lion, and when the consolidation of the two Tres. Jury of Wexford, which contained a strong repro.
curies should take place, which measure was espect. billion of the principles upon which those Orange
ed, he hoped the result would be the extension of associations were formed, and ascribing to them •
the Ettglish principle of taxation to Ireland, at least considerable pert of those disturbances by which vile
upon this subject. : hoes parts of Ireland continued to he agitated. lie
Lord Li V EiiPOOL observed, that it was a prin. again expressed his hope that the House would not
ciple uhifuretly recognized in taxation, when the refuse to accede to a proposition which merely went
duty upon any article was advanced, to extend that to enquire into the truth of the allegations contained
advance to the stock on hand, because upon such in the Petitions ; and also us to the truth of the opi.
nuisance, the holder of such stock had the power hint' expressed by the Learned Judge, to whom he
(which be never failed to exercise) of chargitug that had just referred ; he should ther.ifore conclude by
advance upon the consumer ; and it was the obvious moving that an humble Address be presented to his
duty 01 the Legislature to provide that what the con- Royal Highness the Prince R..eprit, praying that his
sumer paid in consequence of the increased tax, Royal highness would be graciously pleased to ap.
should come into the pocket of the public. Such, for point a Commission to enquire into the proceedings
instance, was the case *ill] regard to every augmen. of Orange Societies ie the North nt Ireland.
wine if the tax upon wine. This principle was, no Mr. PEE!. deprecated the discussion as one front
doubt, never acted upon with respect to spirits in which no benefit to Ire:anil could possibly be anti.
England, becaJse here tile tax was not imposed as in cipated, end still less slid he think that any good
Ireland upon the spirit itself, but upon the wash. would be ohtaieed ru•r that country by acceding to
As to the Noble Lord's concluding observation, he the motion. The Commission, if granted, could
(Lord L.) trusted that when the consolidation of the only he one of enquiry, and of enquiry for what ?
two Treasuries should take place, such a measure, He would use the Hoe. Baronet's own words, to
arranged with due caution, would be found exceed-- enquire into the truth of the nliegaiioug of the Peti.
;nets advantageous to all parties, and that the Irish tine,. and whether Judge Fletcher's opiaion respect.
public would be peculiarly benefited by its operation. ing Orange Societies, was a correct one. Ho was
Care would, no doubt, be taken in regulating the sure the lions. Rironet himself did not expect the
taxation, to pay due regard to local circumstances, cousent of the House to such a motion, nor, if it