The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-11-25 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN,

perfectly legal." Reading was Of the SOSO opinion.
The farther one west from the metropolis, the more
• legal the Manchester Mattis/ beans/. After allesien
▪ to other Meetings of counties sod perishes, Mr.
Canning proceeded. Ile was for giving to the re-
commesdation of cities sad counties all the weight
it justly merited; bet when notary was thee called
fee on the ground that the Meeting of the 16 h nest
o legal one, there was every reason le believe, that
if the Meetings at which such Resolutions were
passed were to be held pin, they would, after
whit bed passed in the present debate, be disposed
to alter their determination. Ile coeld not omit
Ibis opportunity of giving a few words with re-
spect to the great end thereat ealareprosentations,
by which the coebiry was worked into a lame
epos this subject. Ile looked into the public prints
which contained the ls of it, not de die in
diem, which front circumstances he had not an op-
perteolty of doing; he took a large dose together,
sad was thereby enabled the better to see the con-
tradictions and mimstatensettis that might otherwise
have escaped observation. Ile looked into what
be considered to be the most candid, because the
most violent of the pohlicstions shaded to—(A
leugh)—and never did be see so shameless a
tissue of misstatement and coatradictioe. TM
first thing which struck him was, au assertion that
she Magistrates of Manchester, being manufac-
i•OKll themselves, were attested bye spirit of hosti•
hey against the poor inhabitants, against the work-
men of the town. Now Ibis was a gross falsehood.
The Magistrates there were not manefacterers.—
They could not he. However the manefacterers of
Cornwall, Warwickshire, or other counties might
become Magistrates, it could not be the case in Lan.
cashire. The Neat misstatement to which he should
ailed. took place at the York Meeting. ile did net
mean le censure the Gestleasso from whom it pro.
ceede'l. There Wes no man living, be believed, less
. capable of saying or doing any thing unworthy of an
(moonlit* mind. lie stated that the sabres of the
cavalry were sharpened for the oceasion.—This was
afterwards retracted when the entroth was discover-
ed, but did the retraction gado the whole Of& ?
Undoubtedly the Meeting at Manchester was attend-
ed with calamities. Much suffering and loss of
lives had taken place; in deploring their occurrence
every humane mind would sympathise, and in that
feeling be wonid yield to no man. He hoer well the
miters of the artifice too seceetsfelly practised by
those who endeavoored to pervert thepablic
ern( by unfounded aggravations. Suppose any one
of there said LOU persons Wet* slain. Stepwise he mi-
aowed. No, sit only were destroyed. " Sit only I"
would be the eaclamatinn. "0, you barbarians ! is It
thus you trifle with the sacrifice of human life?"
This was the common trick. The man who reduced
the ezeggetation to the reality was held op to the
public indigsatinn, and was at once proclaimed tie
unfeeling champion of inhomenityi.—[llcer. hear,
hear!]—The spots who were thus employed knew
their lessons well-.--they nese the tricks of 93 sod
9s—they were the too eeeee Wel expedients of a Mm.
vat and a itobespierre.—[//car, hear, hear !]-611
to whom were these deplorable calamities to bauttrilmut.
ed ? SVas it net to those who were actuated by selfish
objects of ? No, he would not say embi-
Hon : lie si-t soisatider such a sentiment at "tat
seetiveierphied on bee iaseaspirations.—[ Mar !]—
They were to ire estribotei to those who sought mil.
eitiof for mischief sake—who ran the race of rein,
not to rise upon that rein, bet to contemplate the
*sunk and deviation they produced—oh would
riptide their country with storms, though with the 1
(senseless incapacity of being able to direct the w hill-
hear!3—Tboy were the ctimes of
those no iants of society. who trued make society
itself in wrest in the dissolotiou of its elements.— I
[Mar, hear!]—It is to them the *Wooed tht
sod two or;.ison child can poet ibeit miseries. On their
beads be far ever Mod the respousibility of all the
blood that he, bet.' shed. The Kiehl Ilonootalile
Member proceeded to review the arguments that
were so contradictraily advanced 19 the llonnoreble
Gentlemen °wilts.. By one the itivest4ation of '
partimmegst was 6..00 for its impnrtence; by
another, for it• minuteness--considering the es
-
news* of its fonctiostslike the proboscis of the
ela;ilia..t, able to romitre..esid the largest objects, and
pith up the minteost particle. He deprecated the
esenesent, that ionocent men odeht nal to fear, but
seek, What an opining' each men mutt hare
of the closommetion of Isi.stan Micity! As for as
his power vent he wool I "ever snipe a man e'invi
be knew to 1• illogic lit. to he dragged tinily.
on 'er the miscoostiection of the public, Lek,e
the bar, will rite -on.cioostirss of his inno-
cence elotie to support him. admitted, he
was e'en preps•sd to contend. that earn jestic•
In dealt between man and mom In former
and in other countries (certainly newel in
happ) land), faro-r aril affection lied sometimes
shown to the View in prefarenre to the lower
•of society. At present. however, in crow-
of nos of those oscillations in the human
which. stencil Woolly to take plsce with
tears to every 'object of human interest, there
seed to be a vet> prevalent disposition to pre-
y in favour of the lower against the higher chasm.
by sio means blamed this disposition. If any
loamy were allowed in raise between them,
vreptioil.rance Iloilo certainly to be on toe side
rho (comer. Brit •hen a ease incurred its which
i:elier classes were immediately concerned, it
3 ejereilion that outfit not to be allowed
.pei•te ogaiiist them Now, shat kind of equal
'ire Nevoid he admiaisteied lietoreen the traitors
,he 16t„ of Asigost, and those who soppressed
treason, if tht• amendment proposed by the
ilitoesrable Gantt..onto were seceded to by
.se ? Tense w;in hail elide svoortid to set the
,ry is s flame would he 31lowel to traverse
• indictment', end to go to their trial at the
oon width pleased them; those who bed es.fted
~.;era to defeat their machination* would be al.
co • o'r• holm, no ohs; ieeri,but o told :s• WO fin their
int-•.rthistely. 'these oho were encased of clime
Id be permilteil So go to were when they liked,
swim sssss aesinso them %coati! be rimmed
Jcit ; while theacieserswooid be tried ift-tlifffroW
Ate oar of its it Boob*, era evidence tint givan sod.,
such solemn isnetioe. And this was whet his
i.iorsble and (Aimed Friend wi.h the
Modelle user his eyes, and do balance is bit

bold net to the Mese ss strict justice. That the
Reese itself were fully swore of the diaereses of
evideace taken en esth and taken without that saw.
Ilion wee evident, from the fact, that all caws in
which their ewe immediste interests, or Ibsen a
their constituents, were iitvolved, they him*•
bly referred to the consideration of a Committee
before whom fieldmice meld be heard en oath.—
In his opinion It was morally impossible for soy moo
who duly considered the subject, and who Maud he
follow the greet rule of dealing by others as hi MOM
wish others to dell with him, to agree to an awe&
meat, the effect of which would be sect as he had
jest described. II• did not attribute to the Right lion.
Gentleman any such design, bet he would frankly soy,
that if the anteadment bad been proposed by any of
the—he was at *loss how to dogtooth's,' them—the
white-hated gentry, he shield suspect that they
had a double geese in view. If by the evidence
of persons not examined on oath the House should be
surprised into a decision 'Oast the Magistrates,
their vengeance would be Weird. If, on the coo-
ivory, the Magistrates should be acquitted by the
House, they onuld have a sew ground of Omegas,
against the How. Either result would be delicious
to those Gentlemen. In the on event they world
crush their enemies, in the ether they week) under-
mine the Constitutioo. Is the Speech. the state
of the country bad been painted in cologne, auk
as those who advised the Crown had seldom
before been ender the paintsl necessity of em.
ploying. Tbst the Octave was not overcharged,
however, be had • right to presume—as no siletiatioa
of that nature had been made from any Touter.—
With the *sorption of the lion. Rennet 'prettify, no
one who had leeched en the Meeting at Manchester i
had spoken of the designs of the movers of that '
Meeting as otherwise than most atritrimga. Teat
llonoorable Baronet had talked of the gags used en
that occasion, es mere matters of miracle. But was
any inn se blind as not to know that boomers, fat-
hom, and other such devices, were frequently as clear
indications of purpose as word.? When some years
ago so ismer cockade was frequently wore in Ire-
land, *nub, it have been an answer to the complaints
made of such a practice to say, " what signifies •
yellow ribbon ?" Such things had groat sipilication.
Who hut the honourable Barnet could doubt that
the Hags of the Meeting at Manchester meant defi-
ance? What did she inscription " Universal Suf-
frage or Deeth" seen, bat that those displaying
it were solicitous for that which was incompatible
with the Constitution, and that they were ready
to purchase it with their blond? Could such a
Meeting be called legal? Was it possible that soy
one could losagin it to be so ? Could it bete consi-
dered in common sense? And the law was held to
be the perfertinn of common sense. Ile would spa
peal, on this subject, to the Gentlemen opposite— to 1
the Whigs —nes ,to the Whiggi-imes. Ile would I
ask him, whether it, in the year 1715, attainably of
100,000 men had met, with white SOWS in their beta,
and " 19.01orallie Monarchy" anrhfaillarari On their
flap ; and if any unfortanate Tory bad stood op in
Parliament, and bad protested that those symbols'
meent nthing—that white was nn colour—sod that
" Legitimate Monarchy" referred to the family jest
estab'ished, be wnuld not have been scooted, and a
LA. hese been pealed by the Whigs of that day, at
lose as strong as the Riot Act ?
The Right llonnerable Member. after Moving al.
laded to, anti romfentoed Sir E. Berdett's plan of
1
amendillel;l.
MI • BROUGHAM treater! the noose, on sleben
@session a. the perient,woulti exercise its anal Ur&
sus sues humanity to him. He had an ardsoes duty
to perform, ant most particularly so, at so late en
boor, and on a question like the present. Satisfied
lof the troth of the Right lion Gentleman's (Mr.
Camilla) prediction, that he (Mr. Breelbam)l
woold be found le • very inconsiderable minority, be
I felt it nos difficult for him to address himself with
any effect to the Boon in constituted if he believed
it then was. ile speed with the Mo. Gentleman le
I
ell the egiogiums. which he bestowed On a voloshary
end respectabe Magiotracy. They not only devoted
their lion anti services to the public good, bet also sub•
jested themselves to different privations and annoy-
ances. At all events they did so with very few recep-
tions; of which some of those at Manehnter were a
pert. If, Ito aeon, the conduct of any part of the Magis-
limey deserved reprobation, they should be the Wore
severely perrishod ; inasmuch, as they were
with authority for the purpose of protecting, end pot
of invading the rights and liberties of the people.
The respectable body of the Magistracy would be
liable to di.grace, if those who deserved censors
were not censored ; and those who violated their
duty were not punished. If the country were sa-
bred to be impressed with the belief that all en-
quiry into their conduct would be stiled; if int.
pottity were to follow on their transgression', then
would int catastrophe be coniummited, which all
should deplore, viz. the loss of all public confidence
their wilil. Allosion Silig made to the Meeting held
at York, at wyhich Lord F. wag present; there taking
o leading and an useful part. In mentioning
this subject, the lion. Member professed to absisin
from nickaaming that Meeting with the epithet of
Radicals ; but very speedily forgetting his abstinence,
he relapied into Nis usual habit, and denominated
'them the White flats. Th. Whigs acted wisely; if
they hod acted otherwise, they would have pleased
him much more, for they would then have afforded
scope for his jibes and jokes en the present evening.
They acted at the Yorkshire Meeting in •therefore strictly
constitutional sod legal manner; and
it was that Lord Fitswilliam was dismissed, and
his friends stigmatised. Every man who at-
tended Public Meetings was liable to have his senti-
ments misrepresented, anti that in other places be-
sides the volition of e Newspaper. And en sack
misrepresentations were Lord Fitzwilliain sad his
friends censured and moligned• If he (Mr. B.)
were
to chime the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
es 111 l i l tg) with participating in the feelings of those
oho trafficked in human blond, when he was a candi•
date for Liverpool, he (Mr. Brougham) would err-
certeinly be charged with as pen miirepresentation,
as he (Mr. It.) charged the Right Hon. Gent.
That
with
regard to his Noble Ftiend, Fittwiltient.
Hon. Gent. lamented that Lord Fitswilliem did not
seise the golden moments affolded him by the Meetin
ce
g
at York, to rgexcb to the people fed a rule of pea

ie
Mrsr. o'clock.
. S. WURTLEY and Mr. BROUGHAM es.

;stained.
Mr. GLADSTONE edilremod the 11.6. e ; bet
from the coasted wormer of voices it was impost'.
bit to collect hi. sessiimeets.
Me. CANNING espleined.
The Heels then proceeded to a divides, when
there appeared—
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The Address War thee carried without a division,
end the Heave adjeereed at a Quarter past Five
.'Cluck.

and loyally es his Majesty's Ministers could have PUBLIC DINNER ON Wt. CORBETT'S AfAftiTht.
rrillE FRIENDS to the LIDEItTY thoPILItSS
wished. lint that Hen. Gentleman forgot that he IN ENOIAN D.
himself did cot seise the gelilve monism afforded to A. aro rviersted io WEFT at the CROW N nal ANCHOR
him, when they were both Csedidstes at Liverpool, to she straw, itt-sittititoss IVENtnc, d sem,
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and give forth some of his isealratistible tresseres the Slew"' Avoiseling a
to the Clllo*s and ether respectable persons like
them, with whom he was then in all the appear.
soca of strict intimacy and acqemintence. That' -
Ilonserable Gentlemen might have Inured to im-
prove and to instruct them; bet he forgot the
precept as soon as he had uttered it, and his te.
tern once secered, he cared not by what lessee it
was accomplished. The stsiement by that
lion. Gentleman led him (Mr. H.) to belie e.
(Mr. C.'s) imbibition en that evening would esthete
taken place, if it had not been commandmi by per.
Heeler desire, and if he was not wholly misieformed,
ler informed at second or third rate, of the trees.
actions which thee formed the subject of deliberation.
lie remarked upon the statements mot 'steeled Ise
which they were called upon by the Noble Lord to
give credit to. The conveeient ifs however of the
Member for Dablin University, were of great es.
*stance to the Noble Lord, though that llonster.
able Member had thereby sseriliced his former I
principles, very neck to the asteeishment of this and
ibis own country. The Gentleman had forgot en that
let the York Meeting, no reejedication was male, bet
merely a call for enquiry. At the Meeting s' Cum•
herland and Westmorland also, no *Odin had been
expressed es to the legality or illegality of the Man-
chester Meeting. Ile garroted upon theoretics taken
by an Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. C.), in
replying to the arguments of the Honourable Hero.
net (Sir F. II Irdott). it consisted merely in stale
jokes opposed to Reform, though the epoch of the
11,,wourahle Baronet was one of the ablest, the most
temperate, end, for practical purposes, one of
dm must markt over beard in the Hosse.—•
These statements he had pissed over, in order
to ernes. the House by Newspaper crl'ir.ism,
and had by his eloquence teen an adveetill
oes interest to accounts which might 'Abstain have
perished in the columns of that Newspaper. Ile
wished to know what the Honourable Gentleman
for Yorkshire meant by saying that there was one
cosmos result to all the investigations of that House,
that she parties were disgraced. Whom did he mean by
the parties—the House, or the witnesses, or the party
accused? He assuredly could not mean the Hasse, be-,
cassette professed extreme regard for that. If bemoans
the witn parties was rather a singular term to ap-
ply to them. And it was impossible he could nine the
permes who were the objects of the enquiry, be.
castes his political friends bad been the objects of •
quiry in the case of the Walcheren expedition. Tao
facts with regard to the occurrence at Menchoster were
simply these—War that Meeting illegal, and were
Illegal means had recourse to in order to disperse it ?
For be conceived it would not be contended, that as
Illgal Meeting was to he dispersed by illegsl
means. Ile approved of the isterferenes of the
Deese, because it was a question of deep public
importance, and involved, in a great degree, their
hrights. Ministers had to thank themeelres Lir
e fleOrMOdS height to which blaspheassms and
seditious publications bad arisen, since be had
known the most virulent pahlicitions of tbi.
watery unpunished ever since the yes! ISIG ; and
the proprietors still suffered to earn the r bleed
, in this infamous way without ever having been sub.
jeered to any punishment or even presemtion. The
lien. Member concluded his speech about half-past

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TitgagoAT FtcMsar mort7lss.l. 23, 1819.

tint niglit, or rather this morning, one of 11 a
most interesting debates ever hold in the lloase of
Commoas was brought to a rte.*; as easinchot
close! The decision has disappointed no one, in-
cept as to its nombers. We did ourselves think that
the poor, sobering part of the People of Great
Britain, had more hinds within the walls of that
bending : and while we are forced to smile et the jibe:
and jokes of the rhetorical Member tot Liverpool,
with which hi, speech &bonds, though originating
in one of the most tragic scenes that the basin eye
can behold, via. the slaying and miming of fellow.
encores ; yet is our heart wrong to the core, to lee
that the fatal 'laymen is predating, (hush is as.
ether way, as great evils as those which the torsos
of Mr. Parr indicted open his reentry. We say is
another way, because the complezios of the living
Drones discourse is as opposite to that of the defect
as the contenanca of the losseting philosopbar is
contrast with that of the crying philosopher.
Mr. Parr sever made his auditors laugh; Mr.
Cronin cannot refrain from doing so, though af-
flicted to the very soot. In the farce of " Grief.o-
la.Mods, the undertaker complains that be has in
vain raised the wages of Isis mutes, to make them
look add, is though the heart were sad ; 10
here, while the heart is really sad, ibis eloquent
jester, by his punning oratory, irresistibly fortes his
bearers to forego the common impulses of 110/1011P sod
sympathy, and by a forced smile, snhoppily give car.
resscy to that species of wordy infleeere which seems
to sake captive reason itself. We Will MUMS this
interesting abject.

The fallowing is from she board at the New Eeg-
land CnlGe•hntae :--
TOUTOLA. OCT. ti.—Wr have arrived here after a dread's%
pyq►, della& which the ship war lest ~ the Reef of Am.
isimeada. Whew the veal struck the Captain and Steward got
late a smell boat. which inviamly tilled, ashl they peti-hed. The
remainder of the crew and panengen w►re expo el all Merv.
and pan of the nest day. to dm storms bat after it had sub-
sided we reached the shore an a raft. I have lb. refine escaped
with whale haws. sheath cemered with braises.
The Assembly of t►is island. is a late Session, espied to peti-
tion his Hord highness the Patsies Racist for rrli. f, antler
the present afflicting ►late of the calmly. They propose a re-
mini•+.. for a (crisis term of years. ief the colonial duty,
amotinting to 41 per rent. on their exports to the mother coon
try. is order shat they way be ena►led to replace their ruined
works and Mahitaaoar, which otherwise most entail' in &Mato
of dilapidation, add produce misery aid want throsgtmat Ike
island.
The Admiral ea the windward Mahe, (Cawramt.) paid th's
plate a vial wee days after the hortinme, with a view (it was
said) of ariedise relief to the inhabitants& bat. stung. to re-
late. hid Sialeety's whip %Hilary appeered as seen as It 'IDS
known that same Spaaish vita& waited fee convey to the
Male. This are she tend lateetiens of Governs-at hydrated
by the cupidity of ladividwals, and the toeless temotasts of
Read Teen kft at the storey of the elements.

FALMOVTO. Sine. 41.—11 y a Paper which we have semi. it
appear*. 1411 the harriesee'm Amides emnoweeed mid Weed
the 4lst September g and 13th. 14th. sad 15th at darttaileen
tenure %aired plate
al all th Islaadt, so far as :.erroont4
had rearbal the latter place sae it w: 'apposed that link or
an darsage we% dna.% in the interior, bet at Sarhadom themage was eery considerable. In sarawee w ids Tortola aSC
Tltaittais t the la.* in .hipping it lint thaw at els. latter. Mt
gridironsa nod ever" ',arid' in she leased Yes sited (mete
very sammiallrl. and an well matey respeeta'As is/irides/a,
with their tawilies. have lee thew lines.
Philadelphia Papers yesterday inched town, to
the 27th ell. An arrival from Condos, in eighteen
Jaye, reported that Bouvaa was within three days'
march of Conceits, tawards the end of September'
Mt we presowe this west allude to sown other Chief.
Margarita is stated to be blockaded by a Royalist

squadron.
There era Gar 13iOs, it is aid, in prepsralins. es
cautionary tneaso,r v in the present disturbed state of
the public mind. A Bill to cnofino Nleetings f r
the consideration of grievances, for petitions, kr.
to the actual inhebitants of the district. '1 A Bat
to lag OD political printed papers of coot, &scrip
thin, whether in the fore of periodical or occasional
papers, placards, hand-hilts. or otherwise. 3. A Bill
to expedite the (till of cases of soirdroseenour.—
.1. A Bill to prevent drilling and tisitsitig ;
5. A new Bill with respect to seditious and blaspbeor
rigs publications.
Tom KiNc•—Yesterday. at eleven o'clock, his Racal BO•
loess the Doke of You held a Calmed at Laerlsrili relate.
sillies stip otterided by the Archbishop of CA S AAAA UST, the
Ilinetp or onager/. she Doke of liorraosa, Manion Can-
Dan. the Earl if WrICSILIIIA, lAN Miaow. Lea St.
nod Sir %I =WI Gnus(. Sir Hiatt HALVOILD, MS Donna
Batwe UM WILLIS aturodeti. and were examinee before Its
Uttuacil. The deliberations of the Council esewiesad nuns,
twelve o'clack.
Tea It aealret cover —Yeetceday. at two &cloth. Ile
Plet.grit KESVPIT held a Coed at Lewiles-hweee. •ota abet
which she Leal) ('garicasong. imitate. arrived. to P' e`e't 1"
Rn%si Iligliers• the Address of the Hesse of Lords. oral ow*.
undated smith the cementer, hosents. They found lot Ito),(
'lithos+. rented en his throve. Anon the Noble the
1.4*
lonised the Divination which seenspanied the Lord Kiehl
Cow
cell erre-Ihr Doke of Clarence. she Art:Abide, et ale"
os'
hwy. She Ili•boya of tendsta. tilogeessor, !Wisher,.
Lincoln, stud Lsrer the Dukes of asaufart sod growls 14*
Liverpool,
Cerice. balitbitry,_atal Cairjawbeass herb
Liverpool, itaillaut.l, and Westworteod i sod Laida19111•••••
Its. Helms. and Walriachaat.—The Address was ow
greclimete received by his Royal Ingham who reword se
tipprnprinte answer to it.—Tartlty their Latiltisipt sill Welts
the Report Of the Aglitter of the POMMY. SMUT.

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