The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-03-19 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAY, MARCH IS.
Lord CIA FDEN presented a petition from Whitey, in
Oxfordshire, against the Insolvent Debtors' Act.
The Earl of NIORLEY presented a petition to the same
effect from six hundred merchants and traders residing
in the tcwn of Plymouth.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL presented an additional
article to the Treaty entered into between this country
and the Netherlands, relative to the Slave Trade. Also
some papers relative to the supply of stationery to the
public offices in Ireland.
. Mr. Secretary PEEL brought up from the House of
Commons the Bill for enabling his Majesty to dispose
ut: his private property.—Read a first time.
Mr. IiROODEN brought op from the Commons the
National Debt Reduction Bill, which, on the motion of
the Earl of LI FERPOOL, was read a first, and ordered
to he read a second Cite on Thursday next.
The Assessed Taxes Reduction Bill was read a third
Gm's. and eassed.
The Irish Yeoinsnry Bill, and the General Turnpike
Art Amendment Bill, were read a second time.
The Irish Arms Bill was committed.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tugsoar.
Colonel LYGON presented a petition from Stour-
bridge, in the connty of Worcester, against the Insolvent
Debtors' Act.—Laid on the table.
Mr. HA LDIM AND presented a petition from Ips-
wich fur a repeal of the Duty on Coals.—Laid on the
table.
General (lASCOYNE presented a petition from the
traders of Liverpool against the Insolvent Debtors' Act.
Laid on the table.
The same Honourable Gentleman presented a peti-
tion from the town of Liverpool, against raising money
by State Lotteries. He winst state that he entirely con-
curred in the necessity of doing away the system of lot-
teri-s, particularly at a time when the laws against gamb-
ling were carried into such rigorous execution.
Mr. BENNET and Sir W. DE CRESPIGNY con-
curred in the sentimenrs of the petitioners.
' The petition was laid en the table, and ordered to be
printed.
Mr. CAMPBELL presented a petition from the coun-
ty of Arryde. complaining of agricultural distress.—
Laid on the table. •
Sir ROBERT WILSON moved for a return of all
sums of money paid into the Court of Requests, South-
wark, in Fees, by Suitors; and the sums to which they
were equitably entitled, front August, 1809, to August,
I.lo.—Ordered.
Mr. BLACKBURN presented a petition frOm Ulver-
stifle agatost the Insolvent Debtors' Act.--Laid on the
tai le.
ilSr. CALVERT presented a petition from the parish
of St. Saviour, Southwark, against the Duty on Coals.
—Laid on the table.
Mr. DUG DALE presented kpetition from the town of
Birmingham against the lasolissit *Mars' Aet.—Laid
on the table.

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men. This he wished repealed, as he considered it to
operate against the sale of thetpoor man's industry, as
although it was paid by the masters, seeing it caused
them to employ fewer persons than would otherwise I's
employed. it operated against the poor. He next pro-
posed to take off the taxes on four wheeled carriages.
two wheeled carriages, taxed carts, and coachmen's
licences. The tax on carriages he thonght enor-
mous, as the total charge on a tour *heeled carriage,
horses, sterna% and artnorial beariop iochuled,
amounted
,to no less than 361. se. 6.1. The taxes on
carriage's and on servants be objected to as parrosl in
their operation. The next tax which he would repeal
was that on horses and moles. He knew of nothing that
would be more calculated to increase the consumption of
agiicnitural,p4otlnce, Ind 'thereby give relief to that dis-
treasell HO, the !Soded. interest, than to allow as unary
persona tokeeP horSes, and tokeep any number of horses
as chose to do so. The neat resolution !paid be fur a
repeal of the Coutposition for Assessed Tates, amounting
to 35,0001. Aod he purposed this Repeal, because if the
other taxes were repealed, it was only tair tint the agree.
went which compounded for the payment of them, shook'
be done away. That measure he heel determined to
press upon the Hoes.. beanie be was 'sure that thoe
were calculated to nialittaia public credit as well as any
Wan could wl'h to See it matotalued. ct,
Inja he wou.it
concede to the BightHeotleninn tbst, lit was 114
much for the support of public credit is any one could
be. He considered that every man who looked into
public affairs, with a view to their unsung' meat or
control, should stand with his base upon public cre-
dit. With regard to the liberality with which the
Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer was sail to have
treated financial subjects. b e must except the littleness ex-
hibitiol in his coasted with regard to that measure of the
Naval and :dillies), Pensions. If the Right Hon. Gentle-
man would come forward and expunge that ins asare, he
woul.l then have credit for all the liberalit abbe claimed -
but while it was kept up, he (Mr. M.) m excused
from giving him credit for having takeu a liberal
cl vaew of
tl e finances of the country. He was sorry to so
notch of the time of the House, but he felt it to be his
duty to take the sense of the House upon each indivi-
dual tax that be had named. He felt this, because some
said that one tax would afford rrl cf and some said ano-
ther ; and he should not think he bad done justice to
hime, to the Housthe countr, if he w
to give Honourable Members an opportunity ofvoteg
for the repeal of each. He then read the resolutions,
consisting of one upon every bead of Assessed Taxes he
bad previously enumerated, stating the amount, and de-
claring that they should henceforward cease and deter-
mine. The Hon. Member then apologized for having
consumed so much of the time of the House, and coo-
chided by moving the first resolution. As the question
was about to be put, be added, that he had not said a
word about the collection of these taxes, which was an
inolerable grievance, because he did not wish to add
any thing that would perplex or complicate the ques-
tion.
Sir W. DB CRESPIGNI second, d the motion.
Mr. HERR' ES rose to oppose it, but delivered him-
self in so low a tone of voice as to be inaudible in the
gallery, except at occasional in'ercals. The Honourable
Member was understood to, say, that he should nut go
into the details of this subject after the very elaborate
discussions that had already taken place with respect to
it. The only question now was, whether, in the present
circumstances of the country, we should make sac
which we could not afford. The Honourable Member
(Mr. Moberly) bad set out by aslinitting the necessity
of a Sinking Fuftd, bat at the same time desired to show
that his own plan would answer every purpose, and
i therefore called upon his Right Honourable Friend to
dissent from the established system. But in this he was
not justified by any means. If it could be shown that
these taxes, by a direct operation, tended to diminish
consumption, then it might be time to see what reduc-
tions ought to be made in them. But the contrary was
the fact, for there was nothing in the state of this coun-
try which justified a departure from that system by
a Melt politic credit was supported. Last yea
ar, as com-
pared with the three preceding years, showed great in-
crease of consumption.
Sir F. B LAKE said,th at notwithstanding
_the arguments
of the Hon. Geatleman, he wished the House ha 4 nut
in its wisdom passed the National Debt Redaction
Bill, He objected to a Sinking Fund, and the only
intelligible plan for relieving the country from its
difficulties withont some dreadful commotion, was to
come forward with one portion of their property to pre-
serve the other.
Mr. NI ABERLY replied, and the House divided upon
the lint Resolution.
For the Resolution, 48—Against it, 94 —Majoritc, 46.
The other six resolutions were then put and negatived
without divisions.

WELSH JUDICATURE.
Mr. JONES rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill
upon the subject of the Administration of Justice in
Wales. The Hon. Member stated that the Bill was
founded upon the Reports of the Committees which had
sat upon the subject. In explaining the alterations con-
templated by. the Bill, the Hon. Member was generally
inaudible on tog to his speaking from beneath the gal-
lery. Ile moved for lease to bring in a Bill to increase
and extend the power of Judges in Wales, and to amend
the laws relating to the same.
Mr. HUME said, he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would
introduce a clause to prevent Welsh Judges from holding
seats in that House.
Mr. JONES said it was not his intention to propose
such a clause ; but if any Member thought proper to do
so, he should have his support.
'Leave was then given to bring its the Bill.
Lord A. HAMILTON gave notice, that to-morrow
se'nnight he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to
abolish the inferior Commissary Courts in Scotland.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL.
Mr. P. 3100/IE, pursuant to notice, rose to move that
the present Insolvent Act be repealed. He was not against
a Bill founded on fair principles; but the present Act,
instead of being an Act to relieve insolvent and honest
debtors, was au act to license fraud and dishonesty. With
that view lie was anxious to repeal the present Act, and
to bring in one more efficient and better calculated to
protect the creditor and relieve insolvents. Under the
Act as it stood, the dividends received from all debtors
did not exceed five farthings in the pound. Ila would
not detain the House with any further observations,
but conclit.le by moving the rep-al of the present In-
solvent Act.
Lord ALTHOILPE said that he could not agree to the
abolition of the present .Act until some other nteasure
was submitted to the House. One aruenchnent to the pre-
sent Act, which be considered necessary, was an exten-
sion of the time of confinement of the debtors; and an-
other, that of facilitating the opposition by creditors.—
Though he admitted that the present. Act required much
alteration, yet he should be obliged to vote against the
proposition for its repeal until some other measure was
before the House.
Mr.C. W. WYNN wasdisposed tok,rree with the senti-
ments of tbe Noble Levi. But the principle of
.enefine-
meat for life .was,too severe a measure of punishusent,and
ooe w Rich. aught be chit• don the most innocent, as wed
months most failty. No person coati argue against UP
pwrnocwi pales onof tthperl,npsaoredlventtoAscutp,
puotodtear cceorntiiainnesumoder
isotirounfve,
fur the offence of getting into debt. He was prepared to
admit that the present Act was, in many cases, objection-
able ; but be staa far from agreeing to its total 'and hasty
rope 1. He would,tberefore, vote milimt.Ao OmOoopf
. r— .
t:.e Hun. Gentleman opposite..

Mr. ABERCROM BY CI
of the Hon. Member for Co
old law would he highly it
as had happened before, th
they were crowded, and the
passed.for discharging the
conduct of Ills different di
Haire was.a sum of 10,0001.
of the insolvent Court read
Arent creditors, not one
(end. HS timed tbe H
the principle of the Bin.
lenient than it gas in Engl
Were perfectly reconcile:l ti
in Scotland, a cautious die
oivensive credit, and he th
that disposition found its
by no means aeree to the
•Mr. HOBHOUSE thou
really wished for any alter
could not do better than le,
Solicitor-General, from wit
favourable attention from
held from measures getter
Hobbouses) side. He site
promised measure of that 1
and trusted that, when he
to contain toms provision 1
the Insolvent Court. He ha
Constituents the bill of of
concluding the business o
the amount was not less I
been charged for drawinj
therefore, the ln-oiveot,
Lis creditors, was
property, to he arrested at
get: me his discharge.
Sir A. WILSON snld,
place in the borough of Sol
peal of the Insolvent Bill,
that Meeting. however hos
agents of the Bill, who wn
would recommend to his
tion, and leave it in the ha
leers.
Mr. BRIGHT said he
would punish with impriso
opinion that the time of i
portioned to the quantity a
it was contracted. The
men to the present Bill, wit
der it. He suggested that
removing the delta, shout
also that insolvents should
the rules of the King's Be
he shoald like to we insert
ever the Court remanded a
ly under the control of Mt
charged at the pleasure of
disapproved of the rt guts
appointment of essigtees.
provided for the ',tulle&
which often were found t. 4
Mr. SYKES said he iv
of the late Act, but he tho
ed the execution o f it. H
came before the Chief Cot
hags before the Coolotissio
The SOLICITOR GE:
the feelings of the House
of the Bill.—(Hear, hear,
of the Honourable Memb
entreated in the different
'vent Act would he resci
liable to new arrests, int
bands of different person
impounded, and every it
would follow. Most of
Act were necessary to g

Hill; so that as a necess
' approved of that priocip
lien. He had examine
been presented to the
found that no one suggi
arils of which they al
said in favour of the Iris
amined the Irish Act pa
English Act, and lie foul
same. lie did not deny
sent Jaw; but he believe
He thought that whene
dealt fairly, gave up his
future property should 1
debts, his person shoal
principle upon which lit
hear.)—Ile thought th
were good ; but he belie
inert, and declined bea
deuce before the Insolvt
conduct of their debtor'
they innst take the cons
persom to be confined u
debts dis..harged under I
millions; but this was
educated was aware tha
Exchange, which had
was compelled to put e
be should not insert th'
ney was due. This cir
insertion of many deb
nominal amount of tin
quenty ten times more
I nciency of assets was
stance that persons di
were generally person
without any capital; v
Laws the ()blest of th
extensive business, any
could only assure th'
withdraw from the i.lei
tension to the subject.-
most assiduously, and
House the result of his
could do so effectually,
the present law.—(6h
After a few words
SOLICITOR GENERAL I
Mr. ELLICE said,
ral views of the Hon.
moat happy to find th
bad pledged themselye
Mr. HUME hoped,
Learned Uentlenian pr
sent law, it would incl
pence of carrying the
also that the operation
Crown Debtors. He'
.• the present Act; he v
at all. Ile could not
benefit of the law silo
Idiom remained in c
dome of whom died i
Crown were now eneb
your tar political team
Life a poor wretch owl
dove Hooke was allow
Io,oeo/.
Sir J. NEWPORT
was generally approv
mainly to be atteibun
given by traders in Ir
The *OL11)1TOR-1
mark of the Hen. Met
{iii be bad st,feses4 to
vai oleeoly as online.
'kr. NO ItHOINE
etoie OAK, for °buil
a ''tamer tine 'pr,srot Act.