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have takes pities-
I believe to be
a person Ranted
to some of the, metropoli,
stitoted for discos, of Reforyp.
limited from I/ the 241:.
April, for Liverpool—on the way they becamesca.
quaiared with one Josses, and on their antilisllgitligr
there or at Birmingham. it was deemed proper to'
introduce the London Delegate, for by that name'
Oliver was called, to the friends of Reform in the
rouutry. I can prose, by credible witnesses, that
Oilier said at this meeting be was commissioned by
the 11eformera of L..ndon, naming at the same time
some people of rank, to visit on duty. Nottingham,
hlancherter. Liverpool, and other places He said it
was a great object to assemble delegates tngether ;
sod be strongly urged them to appoint peruses foe
subsequent meeting, which he appointed to be held
tit Liverpool. Where is the use, said these people,,
yt five oleo like us
.appointing • Delegate to go to
Liverpool to represent the People of Birmingham ?
" 0 !' said be, are you so green as to publish lie
genialness of your numbers as a reason for not '1
sending a Delegate? Who will know, if you wadi
Lim forward, the number by whom be has bee ti
elected ? let us have Delegates !' . A few.
dais after, Oliver wrote a letter from Birmingham.
In Jones, stating, that a meeting would be held lit
Liverpool on the bilt of May, and urging bite to
get as many persons together as be could. Oliver
went to Leeds and Manchester, and at both places
called on the most respectable characters, spd
stated the confideuce placed in him by the People
in London. He stimulated them as much as pos.
bible to attend private and public meetings—.be re.
presented himself as being actively engaged in the
work of Reform--he said be had been concerned
in the Committees of 1792 and 1793—that he was
deeply implicated in the affair of Colonel
yard—that he *misted in the escape of Thistly...oud
and young Watson—aud be earnestly pressed the
People its the country to concur with him in the
adoption of strong sud violent measures against the
Government of the day. They resisted the. solid.
lotion, and meta too wise to fall into his analrake—•-
( Mar, hear!)— He was joined by a companies of,
the same cast as himself, whom he bad, by a sort
of juggle, arrested at Ileddersfield. What I state
is from information on which I can rely ; 1 have
it from persons whom I have essmined, and who
have severally identified particular facts, so as to
convince one of the general corroboration of the
whole main facts of the case. Oliver said toe par.
ticular friend, or one whom be wished to consider as
such, 0, 1 am delighted to see you ! but our poor
friend (his companion) is taken up ; there is no
ace io petiti d I dd ing, it will never do, we must have,
recourse to physical force !' He contrived to get.,
• meeting of Delegates to assemble at Wakefield ;
they were ten in number—one from London (Oliver),
one Gem Leeds, one from Birmingham, one from
Wakefield, one from Manchester, and a few others.
Here again Oliver said it was my use to petition,
that the People in London looked to the country
for esertion, and hoped they world stir first. He
asked them what arms they could master op, as that
was an indispensible preliminary matter to settle.—
Ile also pressed them to state the number of names
they could rely upon, and the arms woicb each matt
could procure. lie threw a parcel of cards on the
table, and wanted those present to write down on
each the particulars of the information be sought, but
this th.s refused to do. Perhaps this circumstance
gas* rise to that part of the former Report which
said the quota of effective strength of the People in
the country hurl been furnished its a list prepared for
that purpose. Oliver wrote down the names which
were mentioned to him, and ne doubt fur, ...hod the
list that the Report referred {e,—(dear!)—This
fellow owed great obligations to Peadrill, and a man
named Mitchell, who had advanced him mosey, and
saved him from prison. I have a kilter which be
wrote to the latter, stating t we have bad an esoellent
Meeting--Bacoo 19 a capital He shortly
afterwards camel. London end visited Mitchell three
times he the C• 141 Bath-Gelds Prison, or rather in the
Governor's house, to which the prisoner was sent to
meet him; he evidently went to try to and entrap the
onfortonetemaa—that is. in plain terms, the Govern-
ment seat their spy to act aspen their victim—they
sent him to try end elicit that informatiete from the,
prisoner which they could not themselves sae, in the
her of obtaining his ultimate conviction. He, at the
third interview, praptssed to Mitchell to write to the
country and aycertain what somber of anus could
be depended open. Mitchell refused, eharged him
with betraying him, and forbade aim for ever from
his presence. Now it has been said by the Right
Ifeenorable Gentleman, that Oliver was 'Dever it
Nottingham or Derby : now prove that he was
at both pkces, and equally batty in end ."—(Deer,
hearl)
Mr. BATITURST.—" I distinctly said that he was ,
at Nottingham, bet taut in the pan of Derbyshire
where thearlimerbances took place."
.Mr. SEKNETT.—•• lie may ant have bees actually at the
barn near Derby, w here the preparatory Meeting was WM. hut
1 ulna:ow a direct connect um between hit acts end Mined
the people of the neighbourhood. Oa the 26th. he. went dos
that part of the emnitry and urged the Reformers to acts asp.
violence; be tried every mom to get a few together (Om
, were his words), and he did oat desist from ponaing bit
flab long Rs he could get a simile person to ahead to his asimmw.
time+. He aecordiagly west to the Talbot too. where re per-
ms free Londe' said his some was Oliver. A omistatentioa
took place with Vat. in the come of which Miser said it
wawa he another grand hose on Goverment. far they wield
and theamelvesemopletely deceived mid maw Wed. The
getatime Ora tinned on Parliamentary Reaves. whet' Olver said,
• Reform ea: all to no ;tarpon*. The Lindens People am it
was swims to try that course. aad weight sot agree to
Oliver twit asked, • where the permit was who was talked of
the night before?' That perseo. sail Mr. Benet*, I am
bring leeward. and he wilt confirm. on oath. mot* of what I
hare stated—alliteeth 1 do sot choose to mention his name.—
Oliver was apse ered. that those who were them present did not
know--aad a enemies nag put to him, • *Metter he considered
Reform altogether out of the cpsestion r lie said it wets, and
panicalarly in Lowden—that other means were to be tried.'
—lle was then arlietl,—• 11 hat means it was meant to have
recourse to r Ile answered.—• The only means that were
kb—physical force. The People of London waited may
fur their friends in the country. Lie had travelled, in his pretest
elmuseter, ass delegate, to Birmingham, Sheffield, Leeds, and
amid the snanafactaring tits rico. and fumed them all no the
alert. The People about Leeds were armed and ready. He
w a. told that Derby nit, a loyal place, and be was not I kely
to succeed there', as the People lout nu ' That, he said,
was on matter. It was better if they ewe came art with
knobbed stick. in their hands, bud joined their friends, than that
tliry should remain inactive. There were 60 or 70,001 people
in arms already—and in Nottingham. be stated, he could raise
Mt Ott tarn by lio4dirm wp his anger.' He proceeded to state
that he it:Witten with %Vanier. in London, and that Wooler bad
'1*(4%10 Fist Ike Proclamations which he (Olitcr) meant ill

this did arripl,
dated* frost
Liverpool, on the of lame. At Obis siammentiestbeedither ,
served. dial she Peoplitat Illedifsfersde 'Out ferfulfwar,ll.„, triitt'
wished-and he asked • *ere they lout delicirst Snarl., I.- WI
starwered in the allrelative. he said: • Arms could be pitseattfd
from *cadets *phi, tad thug- the Wolseriamplos sea would
hawk Warden over Os of the iterseas prise. at said. be
a brother living near the depot. On which ,Oliver neital:'
• would he that with to go timer Ile answered, that • hews'
laziest to do so-het mould est. as Is had are she mesa sf
Agra, rm.' • Bet.' said (Miter. • go. anji, make your own ob..tttla about the depot. and say not ins to yoar,brafber,s- •
=ln by Birmioghas, let ate hear year report. amd I Sill
'ghse yott a -*set 'to • fkoilessaawho will largish yiosi with
'kitty of money.' This man. seeing his frieads sad neighbOors
taken up around him. absconded ; hut he was ready tit "wile '
oath to the fats of :the Imre, sad in the avatars dritabild in es'
eisnirersatios. Here this b Mr. Oliver. drawing'" petitions,
writing letters, and ezeitiag discontent and illielreetioa. Cats
these be swedes**. Wise had induced this man to go to Weeded
barraahs ajar diespreepowe b had wird.. that the deileketl talk.. '
tridwid *weld have bees guilty of High Treason}-[Bear,
I haw I]-Ami yet this is the person whom the Right H... "m•
illelltalt opposite d -else, not to base misstated the People of'.
Allevlty. of birratiagliam. of Manchester. of Leeds. of Binsiog-
psis. of Literpool. is Sort, the ialenbitants wherever he has'
bees, to acts of violence and outrage !-[Hear, hear !]-Well.
lllllreer goes beet to Nottioglism. sod he appears there in the .
character of a delegate fora Loudon. He cads so the people is
that town, I. the same .. of as be had dune its other places, to
' proceed so sties. aid heats forth the seessity of madam by I
their esiostry.and messing these riots by physical force He
. again Mates. that tile People at Leeds, Toth, Birtsiiiighato. Ac.
weer ready to rise, and he urges the population, is the
stroswast terns ma ram se, se eug me issiestia ely in levy tug
war. (in this day, I tell the .tight Howourahle tiestiencia-
ou the 16th a May -• Oliver saw Brandreta.-[Hear, bear!)
I tell hint I bold iu my is sad, the affidavit of is person olio was is
i their eusipaisy.-[Hear. bear! soda cry of You meat tun so
.aamesli trims Mr. tiassorst.)-I Iwo am stetstinired assors-bat ,
1 I tell aim I will bring forward the witnesses whenever it is ee-
-1 marry -Clime, he'll-and 1 Mak 1 hare wawa ilia corillirms
! tits of that which he Mears. I babe attiondteth's sun silate•-
sent, made to the Solicitor mhos, he employed on his trial. and 1
takes down by that Solicitor, whit" completely col rohoraies
raw matter coataiaed in she aidarit. I will read °stye part ali
Out statement-because with of it enlists*. of a eumakie coo-
fersson of taut, about whits no doubt c.i.f., namely. his having
' beesutkyor those illegal airs which nu person coo attempt to.
justify. The &tidal/ it vets forth, that Braadreth met (Meer at
the hose of a perruts named Stepisess.-C . 4 ear. hear 0-And I
I will tell the Hight Hoot Gentwiatto 1,..it steeliest as a very
I important peries-ana •.ape the very few who were e/maged in
this couspir /ey. They met in the Three Salmon, public-some-
I. and tintodreth appals US Bore' bees air., concerted with OS- ,
I err ea that ofcamos. Mellowed most attentively to what he'
stated. and asked him Twins questions. Braudreth, in his I
statement, said, that he attended a Meeting at the Three dal- !
moos, at which several osier persons were preseut. It was'
either on the Whit-Monday or the Monday after. A persoo was
I them, who raid he bad been shoat the country -to Maaenestre, 1
I Leeds. Yolk, Ike. and that be was proceeds; to London, by
ktinstagiset. Me observed, 4 That they a ere all ready to rise
-.sad be could raise 70.0 W meal by hol. tog up ills 6//gerr-
• But,' raid he. • Nottingham most be secured. That is the '
1 rallying point for the North. If it be not secured, the passage
secs the Treat would be mopped.' This is part of the cram
tents of a statement eonitteutially gi/ ea by Brandreth to
his Solicitor, before his trial-end was is that iodivldoars I
haalswriting.—But Oliver war not relished with thi...--.-.
ale goes to Liverpool, and rears to Nottingham, on the 7th of
Julie-and bolds forth ia the same was. Be Jig pressed to stay
labate, his answer was, • I would, with pleasure, stay here to
raise the standard myself-but it a Wen ary mat I should trash,
1 to support those triads in York, who are sir in arno., to up-
hold the same cause, which you sue so stuck in advaueing,--
[Hear!) -During the shok of this/ conversation, be was ran-
stoutly referring to the 8 b or 9th of June, a. iiirday appointed
1 for the rising. Tba witness who was present at the Meeting,
wars also in the room alien chit iook place-nod he i. ready to
i state on oath the whole of these circumstances. • lie told We,'
I says the wittiest., • that the People in the North of En laud were
math to rise oa their oppress:or-mid that tbet could hardly be
prevented from appearing in arms. That a vast body of people
were read, to poor down from tSca land, who would over
• shells all helot. Omni' and bear down their gyre's's. That Sir
F. Burdett and Major Carts riot were nannies to waist That
several sstliceesofdatinetioc. whose hinnelk it would he improper
ifil MOINFOD. %0•1411 i..ke any part that might Ilte gisen pi them -
finally, that all he had stated SAS perfectly true.' Now the
Report spoke of delegater being employed all through the
eisertry-as if *Si NI were the fact. Nu e at those delegates
o had appeared -bet it does: appear that Oliver. wherever lie
I went. did speak of himself as Wising •irite‘t various places
in 'the capacity of a delegate -[l.said cries of hear, hear !]-
: la Birmingham be was no so succe-sful as elsewhere. .fitere,
when be toad endeavoured to ens rap persoos, by her.. Wawa-,
lion illegal ties, be was discovered They tot' him they knew
his omo-that there was not an individual in his ming/ram who
would join with his-and they completely washed their halals
of him. I hope. Sir, the Iloose o tit mark this peculiar circum-
snifter. that she very day Oliver %MS found not-the day he was
cosseted of being a spy-the day he ceased so be a missionary
and tourist-from that day pillow trasq/lilloy Oils restored.-
[Hear, hear !) - there i- no t ouht that, ail through the country,
there was mutt' doeonteut : 0641 there raw lie a- little, that Mr.
Oliver worked on it. for /tee worst purposes. I is ea.-) for as,
an:. enjoy, by meant of our Ittri..llC,. or the money taken from
the Punic Pier.e. for oar services, or nn aervicet. every com-
fort of life, to tali. molests shunt the thouresses of the People.-
We haus not ODA it is ia hear our eh/Send cuildres calling
for food, which a e have hot to give. last it *at to persons
thus sitnated. has Oliver made hi. appeals-and they, like
drowning men, were wadi, to rains at any Pilaw. 40 Wive them
from the gulf of perdiiitio a hick was gaping to swallow them.
What had Govern sat ;es to relieve tliese distres es? They
emu a ors to those %than devotes' and mot bad rendered de/i-
-rises/wed. for the purpose of inciting them to acts of outrage.
Vatil this day 1 did not think any Government would have
helm weak eamigh to employ any person so such a mission.—
the Night tionouraMe (Walkman who spoke hot has told wi,
that, if tiovernment Is/d any thing .to do with these transise-
doss. Oliver nasal Deibv. and might have been esamined.-
I %to, he was ready to porehose, ennspiesely, by has evidence,
that blood soar, which his nnisimas had previassly earned.-
tHe.a. hear !)- dist, why dui not the pris e. rs ea.t homy They
abstained. for the hest possible lieu-sin, because they couldn't.
-phew. hoar }-They were. not to show that they were to.
does/ in* treasonable acts-they were to prove that they were
DM guilty of lamas. The A torney-Generrirs own witness,
Mr. Lsrle. was plated in a diferrot situation. He tieing
called as by the Crown, was apes or the efforts of she des'
feadass, wished his examined as in hit credibility. But the,
Aworeerfileseral bad net called on Olive.; and this accounted'
for the tura which the triab took. Had Bacon besetrteit ins.
Oliver world twee bees a most important wises. The Alt-
sorney-O/ areal knows that Amos was an importantipernsage
In these proteedings; and he knows eqoally well, tEnt 011iview'
!sold state nosh /if what Bacon did, tea several seessisll.-s-.
Vises bear 0-This was Use res. ashy the master traitor elfol
sot tried kit. Had he been placed first as the bar, Oliver
most have been called. sod his character would have bees the,
enquired isto. I now tell the [lame, I am prepared to show,
if Omar gismo far that purpose.. far some of my witnesses pre
out a the coowry. I :an prepared to tutabliA, OD the. authority
of sedate wises*, every fact I have stated; and whew I
speak at evedible witoesses. I do ,nit allude too such men as
Caste and Oliver !"-Geotlessen upperie may. by a majority,
defeat this, be any other motion. This system may do here, beet
it will net do ins-the country. They sow stand before the
coontry. as their trial-and the meats", will tsars that ver-
dict which their roods.' deserves. for ray own part. I hope
the Hose wi I sot hawses the Committee so do that, .hleh,
from the speech of the Night Hos. Gentlempa (Mr. Bathurst),
it is titer they aredeternioed not to do."-ICheering.]
Mr. WI IBERFORCE protested against receiving
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say reference from the honourable Member, wise
had just sat down, because ha 'visited to feel himself,
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to the Committee, soembarrassed by matters not di-
rectly before it. His reason for thinking the Itonse
shoeld reject this ',swing% was, because it proceeded
altogether on en onfounded assumption, on a miser-
,prehension of a passage in the Riport of the Secret
Committee of last year. It could sot fairly be sup.
•
posed. that the Committee menial to say, that sal
• Coosiderable degree of this tentlewcy_. I. inserreckiee
lolaoccasioned by
-, '.Jr.h Oliver. He believed the'
,eemining of the Committee, in alluding to persons
'employed by Government, was this :--that Jiitieet
information of Seditious Meetings having heave..
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ceived before Mier wit sent to the country, it week!.
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not be ottogether light to say, that this mates CQII,

*roe soma mischief. —he .wesehl not:
Mk that. those persons had said, who raw came
f4driril to accuse that indisidual. If this p-rsou
tkted'ho so criminal a meatier, In was clescribikl4
, . tidily elsisegkr *at the Hotatvesahle Goalless.
ld net *confer a greater **welt oat societp,
is
protmceting and bringing him to justice. Thei
I goo. Gentleman spoke at considerable length to this
effect, and Coatladed by expressing his detetmination"
Its oppose the elation, es it could lead to• so good'
its
revolt. • '
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, if it were,
asserted by tint Committee, that a person employed
lily Government, instead of finding out plans, bad
Jpstigated individuals to do something not previously
'thought of—then he admitted there world have beim'
triminality--and it wield Mailmen sufficient gins
on which ter Vowed a motion like the preheat, for rind
purpose of learning what seeps had been takes so
bring those persons to justice. But the passage, in
the Report, be contended, afforded no sects ground.
The Learned Gentleman then referred to the narra-
tive introduced by Mi. Bennett, and argued that it
came from a piloted soarer: He suspected front
whom the kloateerable Gentleman procured his is.:
' formatioof whew ha mentioned the nom. of Mitchell,
who had beets taken ep for treasonable practices,
and was lately discharged from confinement, and Pen.
drill and Stephens, who had both fled to America.—
Ile defended the conduct of the Attorney. General '
during the trials at Derby, and stated, that Oliver
could not be culled as a witness by the Crows, be-
cause he was net ificluded in the list delivered to the
prisoners; but, indepeodent of this, the Attorney-
' General never intended to call him, because he knew
' nothing of the transactions. By the narrative itself
it appeared, that Brandretb only saw Oliver en the
26th of May, and would it be said, that, before that
time, be knew nothing of s conspiracy ? Wes it to,
supposed that he and Oliver formed the plan at thi.;.
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1 their first and last meeting ? The fact was, and it
I was given in evidence on the trials at Derby, that
; the conspiracy was going on fur weeks and weeks
before Oliver went to the country, and Brandreth
knew of it. That individual au tried first because
he was the thief leader on the occasion—and, in
. justice to the country, be ought to be brought first
to condign punishment.
Sir S. ROMILLY said, the question was, whether,
after the important statements made to the House
'that night, they could dare to use the words of his
i Hun. Friend, refuse an examination into the (*imam.
' stances? As probably no amendment would be pro-
!
i posed, he should vote for the motion. But he con-
fessed, those egtraordinary facts to be eismined,
I not by the existing Select Committee,bet by another.
The Leatosed Gentleman (the Solicitor-General) had
' stated that the sources of hn Ilan. Friend's informs-
.lion were polluted !woese be mentioned Mitchell.
Bet Mitchell was arrested on the 4th of May, and
all the transactions stated in the narrative took place
since that time. lie strongly reprobated the idea,
that-because his Majesty's Ministers chase to have a
man arrested for treasurialde practices, and afterwards
',boated, without trial, that therefore he should be
i deemed unworthy of credit. lie denied the sm.
{racy of the Learned Gentleman's statement, when
he said it appeared, from the trials at Derby, that
long before the 215th of May, Brandreth was con-
cerned in treasonable designs. The fact was, that the
interference of Brandreth had not appeared until Yee
Bth of June; the Low Officers of the Crown sere, on
the trial, provoked logo into the earlier proceedings,
but they declined the inviiation. It had been ...ked,
that although Government had not called open Oliver,
why had not the prisoners done so? But his Hon.
and Learned Friend, the Solicitor.Geeeral, knew
and acknowledged that the prisoners could not call
on him ; hut he bad asked why, when they were
called up for judgnient, did they not then state, in
extenuation of their offence, that they had been se-
duced by Oliver? But did the Solicitor-General
mean to toy. that had they done sn, they would then
obtain mercy ? (Hear, hear :)—A better means of
attaining mercy would be to state the direct contrary.
—( near, hear!)—But what was their statement at
the last solemn moment when all delusion must of
necessity base terminated ? At• that moment they
stated, that they bad been drawn into these unhappy
scenes by Oliver; bet the Solicitor.Geeeral declared,
that this assertion was trot, even under such them.
stances, entitled to belief, and could he imagine that it
would have been credited if advanced by them in the
hopes of obtaining mercy ?--(Loved cheers from the
Onooritten.)—The observations which bad fsllrn
time tire Solicitor-General upon the statement of as
Ilonoerable Member seemed to imply an accesation
of his having made common cause with traitors.
.....(c, No, no from the 4Viatiterial Beaches )
Prrho-ps he bad used too strong as espresaitsa, but
be trusted his Learned Friend would explain what
he bad •eant hy.censuring his Hee. Friend for
nalog the mitigated expression of some illegal acts.
An lloos. Member (Mr. Wilberforce) bad expressed
great abhorrence at the employment of spies, bet
bad fancied that cases might occur where private
treachery might be used to dimmer public crimes.!
He, however, was Not consist enough to decide what I
such.enaes could be; bet he could not forget that ai
Noble Lard opposite bad, on another occasion, de-,
fended such conduct, and even regarded it as a del
of Ministers.—( flear,hear!)—lie trusted that should
this question be, as he feared, negatived; his
[reamed Friend, who seemed to have no
to an enquiry euept by • particular Committeea
elgintelemi
would make a motion for effecting this object, and ,
if, op investigation, it appeared that persons bad
tampered with the wants of individuals, and had
taken advantage of the discontent that meet be fell
wherever went is found, to goad them on to acts of:
desperalies, be knee of e. mean, se effectand as an,
eaquig by Parliament to terminate the system of
spies altogether. He could not see how the House
ovoid refuse this enquiry ; and if it dared to do so,
'be .trosted it would be remembered by their con-
stitueuta.
Mr. CANNING commented oe the nature of the
motion before the Howse, and observed, the Learned
Gentleman had Deed a kind of plea in bar, and
asked the House if it would dare refute this esquiry.

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