The Statesman.
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drawn by the lion. llentleman necessarily followed.
ft ito the decision which ii ui been mentioned ; but the
mere doubt alone made it necessary that the 'subject
sheniml i.e taken up. •
7.1 r. F. CAM PBELL thoucht the greatest in-
cotivenience might lie expected from the late deci-
sion, and hoped the Bill would be made to apply to
snch cues.
Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
OFFICERS OF THE ORDNANCE.
Air. 111.'31E regretted that a motion so important
as that which he was about to make had not fallen
into abler bands. He had called the attention of time
House to a connection between certain individuals at
Queenhorongh and time Orminance. The abuses he
was now led to conclude were greater than be bad
anticipated. Ile bad found that all parts of the
Ordnance Were pervaded with freemen from Queen-
torongh, and it appeared not only that eseless places
had been created to remunerate them, lint that persons
who had been in the service many years had been re-
moved from their situati ns to make way for them.
This was done to secure their votes at an election. He
thin referred to a ercat variety of Acts of Parliament,
to chew that it hail been ,i.e aractics of the Lmosislature
to deprive those of the right of voting at elections
who held places during pleasure under the servants of
the Crown, to grtnesl against an improper influence
being exercised, in oppm:sition to the wishes of the
country. ll' he Owned that :a number of individuals
connected with time Ordnance returned Mensbers for
one or more places, he !hoot:lit be should make out
as rood a case for takitm Loam them the right of
voting at elections as had been made omit against
the officers of F.eeise and molter departments, who had
t'eell it:win:led from voting ;,1 elections for many years.
lie wished the House to rimoitmioher that he called on
them to do nothing new. In proof of this he parti.
reads, called the attention of the House to the 22d
of Heorge 111. cap. 41. '1 hat 11111 passed by the
Rockingham Administr ition had been carried by a
•••Inmpl ant majority, and more than a hundred Nlem-
hers of that House bail arm imtnpaniemi it to the Lords,
mi. a proof of the importance they attached to it.
That Art went to excloi le any Commissioner, Col-
lector, Supervisor, tianger, or any person whatever
in collecting or managing the duties of the Ex.
ei.te to ewe for a •r Parliament. The
same regnlation was made with respect to the Cos-
temns, and it was evidently the niiimmet of the 1egi..12.
tr-e to ta;;e the right of voting front am-officers hold-
i••;; places during plea- ure nwier ;he servants of the
Crown. He u ished the Howe to tin nothing new, but
erely to extend the principle acted upon with re-
spect to the Excise and Colton's to one other Pepart•
Vile. 'I hat the objeot of flit- Legisitti;re was what he
Lad described it to be. wamm clear from the exception
r:ade In tarour of the Lamol TA% commissioners, who
yere'sced no money for time mantic.- they performed. The
MI, which he had particularly mentioned, had yassed
by a great majority, the numbers be:ws f.ir the mea-
sure eighty-seven, against it twelve. It was only op-
posed by twelve Metnher. ou the third readier. Saar
I.e'ng the nnummer in which that Rill was dealt with,
i.e could see no reason why the House shouhtl not :1110W
I'm to bring hm his Bill, and not only allow him to
bring' it In, but allow it to ',ass into a law. The pro-
:1:410ns of the act referred to were found so satisfac-
tory. that after the lapse of tunny year*, by the 42.1 of
late King, cap. 25, its provisions were extended to
Ireland. lle then referred to a variety. of acts passed
In the reigns of William and 31ary, Ann, Heorge the
First, and Hewitt. ti. Third, which provided against
the interference of persons holding places during plea-
sure under the servants of time Crown. Ile now came
to direct their ;attention to time state of Queenhorough
a•:ti its voters. In Ifit)'_' there was a contested elec-
tion, when the numbers were ;5 to 74. The Bight
Plranrable lientlenian the Master of the Mint),
'eight smile, as ;moth as to say that on that occasion;
tie Treasury was beaten ; lint this did not affect his
a:gutoent, for he bad to state, that not one seventh
part oi thm se from Queenhurongh who were now con-
ced with the ordnanee, were connected with it then.:
At another election, when Mr. Hunt and Mr. Villiers!
were opposed by a Mr. Chichester, the two former
polled Itimo yo:es—the last me •tioned gentleman ON
milking a heal of 2110. lie, however, believed if all
the voters were bron,tht together there would!
be about 250. Brest importance was there attach-
ed to a vote, and as the sties of freemen were
entitled to one. the wises of free:tiett were frequently
st rt f;oto distant parts to lie in at Queenburongh,
that young freemen might be bion. Ile procevard to
state that 147 freemen :ecrived among them, far of-1
tires which they hell, the annual sum of I 1.760.. ex•
lo.ic; of 32 houses, grounds, &t. while eleven
frtemen's sons, who were in other ports, or mho were
nut of age, received among them '2,11291.; and thirty.
two freemen held situations in time preventive service
through the same influence ; aml thus one hundred
and ninety voters were provided out of two hundred
and twenty odd. Ile now came to describe the Corp, -
ration. There were a Mayor, four Jurats, and two
bai:His. He (Mr. tireystork, of the Tower) was barge
master to the Ordnance, with an annual salary of 60/.
This was nut a large sum, but Mr. tireystock had en-
joyed it for seven years, and it was a Frfe.l sinecure.
tie was at present Mayor of thteenbereneh, and he
was salesman to the Oyster Comp:sae. Ile was paid
for his duty at the Ordnance. thougli ci.,ht mouths he
was at Billingsgate, and the other four collecting
oysters in France. The next person was Mr. lireet,
one of the Jurats. He had profited more by the Ord-
nance than any other person. They haul hired all the
vessels wanted for the Ordnance of him ; and his bro-
ther, Alexaoder Oren, had been made barge-master at
Liverpool, with a salary of 100/. lie then noticed the
emoluments enjoyed by the other Jurats. :awes
Bowdru was a Water Bailiff ; he enjoyed a salary of
hilt/., 201. house-rent, and commanded a powder boat,
said to be of 30 tons, but he believed this to be incor-
rect, and was told that it was but from 17 to 20. On
this subject there was some concealment. The Clerk
of the Ordnance had said that if lie knew that he (Mr.
liume) had derived his informaf from any one on
board the vessel be would take care that he should be
dismissod.--(Hear, hear.)--When such an objection
was made by a public servant, to bringing the affairs
with which lie was connected before the House, it
proved that there was something to be ashamed of.—
(Hear, hear.)—This was a matter that called for se-
rious inquiry, and they could nut all be as pleased
about it ass the Master of the Mint appeared,to be, from
his cheering.

TH.

Mr W. POLE spoke to order. lie beg fed to aek
if it was orderly for o;ie :lon. Member to anode to
another as he had been ;Mooted to.
'I he SPEAKEII said as be was referred to, he
ask the Right Hoots. tientleman of what lie
cmnplaiu d•
Mr. W. POLE stated; that he load beets noticed
several times by the lion. Member in the course of Isis
speech, anti Iwo' 'sow been mooed as cheering. Ile
begged to ask if this was correct.
The SPEAKER said, he was not aware that the
Right lion. tientleman had cheered. If he bad dote
so, and hi 4 rheerisig hall interrupted the 1:011. Her-
Homan in his speech. he might allude to it. If the
itiooht lion. tientletnatt hall been described to hate'
cheered, hr not having done so, this was ditoorderly..
Mr. IV. POLE remarked, that what the Speaker
had said was very correct anti dignified. as ever,
thing that fell f.om him was, but lie appealed to
the House if lie hail done any thing that onglet to
' call forth the comments which had been insole.
Mr. iII:ME was sorry to s.y any thing unpleasant,
but the Right Hots. 4 lentleman had seemed in such
ecstaev that hr could not co on---he Was obliged to
stop hint, bit be hail no %visit to hurt his feelings.
He then resumed his speech—James Bowden re•
ceiveol the estoolotments, txr. which he load described,
and his son was led. in the Surveyor
General** ()dice, at the Tower, having been nPPoildra
about months ago, while toiler Clerks who had
been many years its the service were
noticed other persons olio were provided for in
various ways, and described nine or ten persons of one
family, of the name of Pelletts, to have been fastened
on tli.• country. Air. Pelletts and others, had houses to
live in at Queenborotiglo, which they were in the
habit of letting, while they themselves resided at
Sheerness. In o onsomottice of some occurrences
which had been eionoplaineol of, a Commission was
sent down to Qoteenborough. The Hon. lientlemati
hail 'sill, lie hail an objection to lay the Report
of that Comusission before the House, and Ise (Mr.
Hume) must, therefore. move for it. Some of Ille
paries load hero sitspettoled, hut he understood
they bail beets restored. In a former case, where not
a tenth part of what load been proved at Queenloorough
could be estalolisheol, the parties complained of were
dismissed the service. The Storekeeper's Offue at
Dover was !Med op by a freeman of Quertsborough, with
an income altogether atotontoing to 5001. Ile &stool
ovlsy that office could toot have been supplied by
of the twelve reduced half-pay Storekeepers? Ihe e
Storekeeper's Office at Sheerioess he must not pass over,
fur that was the grosooest business of the whole. Mr.
—, a freeman of gtocetiborosigh, was appointed to
that office with a salon of 5011!. lie was soon placed
on the Superannuated ids! ; and Thomas ElLin, Esq.,
a gentleman possessing property to the value of 21100/.
a year, was appointed as his 111li'll'SSIW, and be was at
the age of 71. This was nut a solitary case of such a
practice : and if he could have access to the proceed-
ings of the Board, he ennui hull plenty of instances of
similar etottolovt. lie bad now come to the hottoto of
the list of the freemen of Queenboronalt, who altoge-
ther enjoyed I 17 71;11. a..llllally of the potolic money.
--The Honourable Member then emosierated the
other Storekeepers at the difTerent depots, and
the expenses Offieers io the Preventive Service,
all of %Olio+, Ailed to the sums he before men-
'honed, amounted to twenty-live thousand pounds.
—But the snails point was the manlier in whirls the
Ordnance exercised the iodlotence which they possessed.
in the first place, he haol a list of sixteen individuals,
who had beets obliged to tie way, and their places
had been supplied by freemen of Queenboroosgh. 'floe
lion. 31ensher went through the particulars of the
cases of some itoolisiolual. who hail beets superseded in
their offices, and deprived of their incomes. lie then
remarked upon the oobjects of lois Bill, and said, that
it dill not go too take away from any man that which
be possessed, lint to give him the fisuire of leaving
the offices he held, or of being placed on the same
footing as the officers of the Excise and Post Offie.—
Having 'hewn the iniluence which existrol over Ibis
class of individuals, and the manner in which it was
exercised, he called moots the Homo. to support this
Bill. Hit did not, he should lie most ready to sap 1
port one for enabling the Lords of the Treasury to re-
torn two Members themselves for the Borough of
Queenborough. By so doing they would do away the
necessity of 25,0011 i. a-year bring spent for that pur-
pose. The lion. Member couchoirol by notsvito, for
•• leave to bring in a Bill for disqualifying all civil
servants of the °Moaner department, and others,
from voting at any Election for a letstber of Parlia-

latent."
Mr. BERNAL said, be rose to second the motion,
not on the ground of economy alone, but on the gene-
ral principle of protecting the purity and freedom of
Election. Adverting to the means of influence which
were n. 441 by Government at election+, he *deserved,
that of the freemen of Rochester, no less than 25 be-
longed to the Quarantine Establishment. Such nes
the constitutional jeaheee%y which existed oe this sub-
ject, thrt by the 11th of tieorge 111. even all the Ma-
gistrates of police and persons connected with pollee
cstablislensent%, were disabled from voting for Slem-
hers of Parliament. lie by no means contended that
l;overnment might not to posses% a proper influence.
All that be was solicitous about was. that the current
of that influence should not overflow. He cordially
supported the motion of hie Honourable Friend, and
lie hoped that his Honourable Friend would pnrsee
his object through all the civil departments of the
State.
Mr. WARD stated his determinalion to oppose this
motion. Ile could give an answer to all the lion.
Gentleman's cases. But, in the first place, he would
put it to the candour of the Hon. Gentleman, whether
he would not have acted more consistently with the
public interests if be had put off this question as his
Right lion. Friend had requested, in the absence of
the Noble Lord, who was the representative of the
Goverment in this House. The lion. Gentleman bad
stated a great deal of the influence of the Crown, and
had also cited several Statutes. Ant what did those,
Statutes prove? That certain persons were excluded
from seats in this House, and from the exercise of
the elective franchise. But be denied that it was the.
Constitution of this country to deprive a man of his
right to vote merely because he was connected with
the Government. If that principle was true, the lion.
Gentleman could not stop here, but be must go on, as
the Hon. Seconder had suggested. threagh the whole
of the" pnblie 'Offices, and disfonehise them all
(Hear, hear.)—This, he was sure was a subject of to.

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much importance to he treated le this desultory i.s.
tor. It was a species of parliamentary Reform.
which he was sure the House would nut agesarstar
refitliont much more mature consideration. Ile ask_ ed.
was it possible that the lion. Member would he the
person to propose to deprive so many Englishmen s f
their privileges—r who opposed the Newington Select
Vestry Rill upon the express ground that it took away
the franchises of so large a body of limit, lint the
' measure of the Hon. Gentleman was founded' altoge-
ther upon the false supposition that influence and in-
terference were the same. With respect to the Navy.
, the instances were numberless in whi,a persons em-
'ployed in it voted for determined Nlembe,s of the
Opposition. lie himself was informed but of one per-
son in ids office who had any concern in elections, and
upon enquiry be fonssil that this person way a resolute
radical reformer. Rut finding he was a good clerk, he
(Mr. IV.) never cared about his principles. It was tine
there might eziet an influence in a particular quarterover
particular body of electors ; but influence was of that
nature that it grew up uncontrolably, and it was not a
necessary consequence that because it existed, it should
also be exercises'. Would the gentleman bring in a
Bill to disfranchise the tenants of the Duke of Bra-
ford, because his ansialle character as a landlord se-
cured to him unbounded influence amongst those te-
mods ; and yet the affirmative of this was the principle
upon which the lion. Gentleman founded his motion.
The lion. Gentleman then referred to the Ril! whick
was introduced by M r.CI ewe todisfranelsise the officers
employed lin the ordnance, and stated several facts
with respect to it. for the purpose of showing the rea-
sons why it bad been subsequently abandoned. He
then entered into the history of the elections of QM re.
borough, and stated, that at several periods the popu-
lar candidates were able to defeat the Ministerial
ones—such was the influence of t.oovernment therein.,
The lion. Member, he said, would give the ordnaneel
officers it ave to sit in that House, lout tLit to vote at
elections. This was an extraordinary principle of
I, , ,at ,
, stylision, to give men who were too corrupt to vote
oat of that Hesse the liberty of voting within it. Ile
I"slefiesl the lion. Gentleman to show any instance of a
man having heel discharged on account of his vats.
at elections. Instances of a contrary nature might be
adduced. Capt. Dickenson, who was time friend of
Pox, and voted and canvassed for that celebrated man,
had an office in the ordnance department of 3 or -ILO/. a
I year. lie would take it upon him to say, that the majo-
i ,
rity of the Electors of Queenborough were not ens-
' played its the ordnance. There were in all 292 elec•
iors—l le of these were permanently employed in the
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charge of the lion. 31essiber. that he (Mr. Ward) gave
minim that he wonlil discharge any person in the Ords
!wire who gave him (Nis. Hume) information. This
charge arose out of the following circumstances
the lion. Member met him some time ago, and told
him that he hail made a wrong return of one of the
powder ships—the Harmony, which was returned at
56 tons, whereas It was testily hut 36. It appeared
that the Hon. Member had, by the assistance of one of
the officers, gone himself to measure the ship, aceord-
log to his own account, and that it measured but 36
tons. Now the ship was afterwards regularly mea-
sured, awl it appeared to he 56 tons, and a fraction
more. Ile then noticed the accusation that sonic of the
officers hail let their flower' at Sheerness, and straits'
the tenth of the statement. With respect to the charge
of peculation against some of the officers, a commission
of inquiry bad been issued to ascertain the truth ut
those charges, amil, upon examination, it was found
that there was not a single charge founded in truth.
The lion. Gentleman's (Mr. Hume's) motion rested on
such eases as he (Mr. Ward) hoped he bail must sa-
tisfactorily answered.
Mr. HUME was proceediae to address the Howse
in explanation, u lien he was called to order lay the
Speaker.
Colonel DAVIES supported the motion, which he
contended was fonsuled on the best and moot ancient
principles of the Constitntion.
Mr. P. MOIRE followed on the same side.
Mr. TIERNEY saiJ, that front the contradictory
statements that had been made, it was (litre-silt to
ascertain the facts, without the appointment of a''
Committee of that House. One fact, however, he
took as established, namely, that in point of Coo-
stinational law there was molting novel in the pro-
position of his llonostralsle Friend. As the law
stood, it prevented tississerous classes from voting at
elections. In 17e2 a law was passed to prevent
pnblic officers in the Excise and Customs from voting
at elections. That law was found so salutary, the
'advantages of it were so universally felt, that in
twenty years mites-wards, on the Union with Ireland.
the provisions of the Statnte were extended to that
country. lie certainly felt unwilling to disfranchise
any part of hi.: fellow subjects, but he sat there not
to consider the interests of a part, but the general ad-
vantage of the whole people ; and nothing, in his
mind, was so likely to promote that advantage as to
preserve the purity of the Representation. The up-
shot of what had passed daring the debate amounted
to this, that the Government had a decides' influence
in the election of Members for Qneenhorough. Out
of tee electors, 129 were attached to the Onlnance
Departusent. It was therefore impossible that the
majority of the voters shonld not be in the interest
of Government. It was for the lionise to consider
whether, in point of fact, the borough of Queen's°.
rough did nut belong to the Ashninistration of the
day: The Hon. Oentleasan (Mr. Ward) made a dis-
tinction between influence and interference ; he (Hr.
Tierney) had no doubt that the Honourable Oentlentan
would sot exert his influence in an illiberal manner ;
yet, he might, perhaps, express some surprise if a ties-
demon in his department asked permission to vote at
Queenborosagis fur a popular candidate, against the
1 Hoesruntent--129 persons, holding good places—
soma grateful for past favours—come expecting future
1 rewards, were likely, at every election, to support the
Hocirrnment candidate; it was sot, then, too touch to
ipaiumps
afar that the Norough belonged to the Ordnance de-
N. The law for disfranchising officers la the

Excise and Custems teas made. becau-e it %.a
betide,' that small Borough% (ue „1,,,1, there -s aPPre•
many) would b 'eau& entirely ienler the e"ereutt°:f
the Minister of ;be day, if revenue tofiirrrsdn.tr";";
lowed to vote ; indeed he w:is convinced, that it ai;
were not for that s 'hoary law, the revenue nts„,„if
ill some places, would hecoome IL, prevailing --,
If the tiovernmen,, for a luber of rears, ;177; m
a steady but pertileiatis print.iple, they would (hail -,
that law lwen passed) have ainpii:•ed an intitienre in t''''
tions which he was sure tio gentleman in that HeZ
.ronld wish. He was nut for disfram•hising any „.,
drown tutnecessarily—he soul,' wish to ~,„tie'"C
Bill to the Borough of latieenlitwottelt. Ile wunnhiLe'et
wish to exclude officer' of the Ordnance throtiolL;
the kingdom from rooting, because they were inr.t -
places mixed tip with the ITS: of his 31.ojarty., „,'"kt
:poets, Roil nothing formidable wag to hr ant.,,heni; 4
from them, sire in the Borough of llaetraber„n ..,,
There might perhaps be °ay or No other 11. r '
where the influence of those 'Ayers ndria I:::
,'•
dangerous; if so he would have the prioicifie ;II::
Bill extiquied too ends places. lie had uo „1„.i,e4. '
to extend the p•ovisions of the Art of i7,0,j,,h::1'
iliscranehised In-venue Officer', to officer, in the 11.,, :
moire Department, when. the same ,'anger was to 1.
appro lit•nded front the exercise of their franrhinr. :
that which was cu nicely unaided against in the ."
st;tii
.and iviiel ioitlifgu:tffisot:noeinriss ioinfi pt:ae with'rasiliii:i:st
taapirbayart(rti c.:tit'ol:ir.ritn:ltast:ilunliitenia
particular
course of a few days gentlemen would have an opou'r.
tunity of delivering their sentiments at length titan
that important measure. lie would vote for hrinnlito
in the Bill, with this understantling, that it was in.
tended as a remedy to be applies! to a
ease—that it was to have reference merely to the Ro•
rough of Queenhorough.
Mr. B %Tut! INT contended that the principle of
the
tw ellwillril, were
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liney
nor to
t thouse,h rgiritnr,d
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partment ; ibibould'ext •nd agr a deal fmt as ;it unata t
be applied in the next instance to the Nave and to
others. It was iiiipsossilile to separate the presect
question front the trite, general sotto et of Park.
mentary Reform. The Bight ilon, Rent. contindel
by saving, that be could not approve of a ninon
which went to disfranchise, without adequate cause, a
number of his Majesty's enkeets.
Mr. Ht ME replied at considerable length, He
oloerved, that out of the seven houses in the Onion"'
Department at Sheerness, which were represented to
be 53 almolntely for the good of the service, five wets
let by the 'kers to whom it belonged—one was m•
mph.'" by the officer, and another was left nnorrepied,
beeanse an exorbitant rent had been denianoled for i;
from the Admiral of the Port, who had been treadle
for it. To %hew the extent of the infineare of the
Ordnance Department, he stated, its it Ilte minder of
freemen who had voted at the last el. rt;liii for Slates•
borongh, was 220 ; of whom 1611 h.ool yolk for Or
Ordnance candidate, and 60 against him. 1;."
greatest number that could at any time hr Armtek to
,cote, was' supposed to be 250. Of throe three *re
I 47.-tit the employment of the Ordnanr ~ eho rectit,sl
I 1,766/. of the. public money. The recruits besiohn.
from the Preventive Service and ether dewclaw,
received as flinch as increased that stun to 2:,P01i.,
and if the house' and coals and aliewaiw:•s were added,
this single borough bad not less than 25,1801. es-
Peutlet! upon it. Now lie had stated the suipstance of
three several series of Acts of Parliament, of all of
which the object was to prevent influence in the elect
Lion of Members of Parliament ; now lie would Fit
it to the candour of the lion. lient. whether these Ili
freemen, forming the majority of the boroneh, an
depending f •t• salaries and promotion on the %Math,
Ordnance, were not likely to be completely cadet its
induenre.—('tear).
'f he Horse divided—lour the motion, 60—Agaisd
i it, lIS-3lajurity, SS.
ScOTCII MALT.
The CHANCE' 1.011 of the EXCIIrAr ER morel.
that the Petitions fo ono Scotland, etw.ylainine of the
Malt Duty, and uf illicit distillation, he referred to
a Select Committee.
Mr. BENNET observed, this was the first paymest
made to Scotland for the vote ou the Malt Tax Re
peal BBL—Meer).
Sir ti. CLERK said these petitions stood on yin '•
different groands from the repeal of the Malt 'fat is
England. In ISI9 a duty of rid. per heshel had km
inipneed in Sc.otland beyond what nos imposed is
England ; a dilference which formerly existed to that
extent haying been (lone away.
Sir R. F EMIL:SS( 1N said, though he knew it wood
be an unpopular thing, lie should oppose the mei"
itemise he considered it unjust ;so. li of the hull
grown its England bring wars- than ,1111''h of that
grown in Scotland,) and becalm he coesinrrel its
boon to the Soots argricultural Members, il.°
far w 4
with the Minister.
In answer to a tplestion of Mr. ft. Of IR DO.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER MM.
that his mind was not made up as to the metro re 0°
be adopted. lie only wished to give the Scots Omit'
men an opportunity of stating their ease.
a nSiti•aroluterie°:(l.liKeli"rui!o°usledd lit he
eninortitsit7 la'shea Sc%lePtst.:trielch
grosini-re.rsmii.alt(l.Knott rareNzi
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the
Scots Menolwre, for he and other Scoots Members,");
voted for the second reading of the Mal Sir t 'fir.<
PeHer
Bill. He hoped the tlallant Ureteral (i on
son) would withdraw his opposition, s• the mot. 11'.,
a Committee was of much more imp em
riance, el.'''.
to consider the state of illicit distillation.
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tai•latsAbNroln. gm; lair:rule:ll.dt hie% itiot"rtnn'yt!'hu7l-ihwis lil
appearances. `ll •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIiEQI4:II ~".
he had given his promise to accede to a Committee
early as last Session.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY said lie would vote tor the. 0*
lion, if the Chancellor of the Eseliespirr would ge
consider the case of the growers of inferior 14.1 i oet:
proof of his sincerity, by allowing the Cumnottier
is
i_.
ire 7
England also. —Oleo,,
they suffered as murk under the Tax as in any po
hear.)-1n Nor:here
of Scotland.
Sir R. FICROCSISON explained.
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After a few observations from Mr. ... •
the Hone divided as follows :—Ayes, 53; N'A's
—Majority. 3d.
On oar re-admission kite the Calerys we 11°114 )11