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Counsel were heard on the Illerawley Divorce Bill.
No person attended on the behalf of lady Illerawley.
Several whores' s were then examined in support of the
Bill, which was mail a third limo.

MIWCIICLIANEW.N.
Mr. 11. SI'MNIBIt presented a Petition against the
Bill for regulating. the Pour lases.
Similar Petitions ►•ere prese►►t►d by Mr. Coke and
Mr. Courtenny ; the former from Norfolk. and the lat-
ter from Exeter.—They ►ere ertleted to lie on the
table.

Mr. HYNO moved the third reading of the Metro-
polis Gas Hill.
Al r. Alderman SMITH proposed a class', the effect
of which we could not collect; but it was opposed by
Mr. IlyNit.

No division, however, took place, and we under-
stand the clause was withdrawn, and the Bill read a
third time.

Mr. MANSFIELD presented a Petition, which be
stated to he numerously and respectably signed by the
Inhabitants of the Parish of Saint Mary, Leicester,
against the Poor Laws Itegulatiron Bill. The Petition
was directed principally against the clause restrictive
of rettonvale. The Don. Member said, he agreed with
the Petitioners, and thought the charge of idleness
which had been brought against the paw, was alto.
get her 1111(011111ded.
After a few words from Mr. &smarm., the Petition
was ordered to be printed.
Similar Petition, were presented by Mr. MAXOFTELD
from two other parishes in the town of Leicester.
31 r. lIALDI MANI) presented a Petition against the
Tax upon Foreign Wool—Ordered to lie on the table.
Sir F. BURDETT presented a Petition from a Ben-
tleman named lieerge iVilliams, a Magistrate of the
county of Lancaster, complaining of *0 conduct of
the tiaoler of the town of Leicester In opening several
letters from prisoni•rs, complaining of the tiaoler's
conduct towards themselves.

Mr. JAMES complained that sevvral letters of his
own to priseaers confined iu that gaol had been broken
epee.

Mr. B. WILBRAHAM said, the lisoler had acted
in silimlienee to the order of the Msy,istrates.

Mr. BENNEr said, the power ought not to be
delegated to the tisoler.
The Petition was then read, and ordered to be refer-
red to the Committee on Gaols.

Mr. scARLETT presented a Petition in favour of
the Puor Laws Regulation Bill from the Select Vestry-
men of St. P.invias. The same lieu. and Learned
Member presented a similar Petition from Cie tlrer•
seers and Parishioners of a place in StlfScX.—lluth Pe-
titions were ordered to be printed.
Mr. SCA KLETT moved that the 11,-port on the Bill
should be taken into consideration on Thursday ce'ts-
niglit.—Ordereol.
Mr. L. WIIITM presented a Petition from Stafford-
shut., against the above-niontioued Bill.—Ordered to
lie on the table.

Mr. P. MOORE presente,l a Pe►ition to the same
effect from the Mayor, Rail4l4, and Commonalty of the
city of Coventry.
The Bill for regulating the office of Justice of the
Peace went through a Co 1111 l iittee.

Sir It. WILSON presented a Petition from certain
inhabitants of Liverpool, against a Hill he
thought ought to be called the Poor Spoliation
He meant the Bill of his lion. and Learned Friend
(Mr. Searlett).
The Petition was read, upon which
Mr. SCARLarr expressed hi; snrprise at the ex-
pression of his lion, and 6allmit Friend. The Bill
would be highly serviceable to the Poor.
.Ir. CAIXR.WT said, that a great proportion of
the Payers of the Poor-rates were hostile to the prinei•
pie of the Bill.
Mr. SC. KLETT. in explanation, said that he
merely objeeted to the giviw, a nick-name to the Bill.
After a few words in explanation front Mr. CAL-
cictrr and Sir It. WiLsos, the Petition was ordered
to be printed.
A Message from the Lords anneninced their Lord-
ships amens to several Bills.
Sir W. HE CRESPIti,-:1 called the attention of
the House to a Petition he had presented sonic time
since complaining of the contlnct of a tax-tcatherer,
natnesi Harrison, who was continued in employment
notwithstanding the notoriety of leis mi4cosillizet.
Me. Lt:S111.NOI EON assured tho* lion. itirwirt lee
would snake imptire into the circtuti•tatice ; lie had
never before heard of the man's name.

CONSTITUTIONAL AStiorl‘TlON.
Dr. I.I7IiI(NIiTtEC preakented a Petitiun from
panel' nagle4 Thomas I).4hy.cumpl lira he Iviti
been praseeatesi by * %ma it cif tun

that that society was principally distinguished for its
folly, and that its example was by us means to be fol-
lowed. The Learued Doctor concluded by moving
that the Petition be brought up.
Sir M. tifOLMLEY said he was induced to become
isasiber of the Society from the number of indecent
caricatures he had observed in the windows of the
metropolis. lle was not responsible fur the
and indeed he feared their zeal hail carrie•l them be-
yond the objects contemplated by many of its members.
Mr. DENMAN said the observation of the lion.
BarOliCt WWI the strongest argument ap;ainst the So-
ciety. Ile was sure the Don. Baronet never would
have become a member of the Society bad lie seen the
Cirenl..r sigreil by a person named 1. Sharpe." It was
really disgusting to observe that although the, Society
professed to be constitutional it skewed the utmost
tenderness in cases of libel on one side and the utmost
supineness in those on the other, especially with re-
ap:al to that weekly discharge of filth which was
known by that mune to all. Allusion bail been
made to bile) (Mr. l)entuan) respecting his conduct
as an Advocate in another place. He could only co. ,
that upon no occasion would he give up his right as .1
Counsel to make the boldest defence in behalf of a
Client whom lie thought persecuted, or to observe upon
the conduct of any individual, however distinguished,
who had a moral influence over that persecution.
Sir M. L2101.511.EY said, he made so allusion what-
'ever to the lion and Learned Member.

Mr. I►l;\M.'.N exiddile.l. Ile certainly thought
the al:whin of the lion. Il.ironet referred to some cari-
tatnra connected iv;th an observation he (Mr. D.) hail
inalie in another place, in which he bad introduced the
nano. of Nero.

The petition was then resit by the clerk as follows:
" To the Thinoerable the Commons of the Unites! King-
dom of !treat Britain and Ireland, in Parliament as-
sembled.
" The Petition of the undersigned, Thomas Dolby,
of the Strand, its the comity of dliddlesex, book-
seller,
!•ilowetle,—That your petitioner has been settled is
business ;es a bookseller for 13 )ears, anting hich time
he lias escreil himself in the sapitort of hi. family by
hones, intlitery, anti has never been convicted of pub-
iishino libel. public or private.
" Th•t a number of persons leave lately combined to-
gether to form a society. under the name of " 'llse l'uts-
stitsitiohal Association,' mad to raise large funds for the
ost.oisihie purpose of checking the alleged increase of
dislov al' y and sedition.
" That an illairfltient TVAS lately preferred ag iinst
visor petitioner, under the di rprti.4‘ of this Association,
by Mr. 11nr-av, their secretary and solicitor.
That such 111141.Willielli wits preferred against your
petitioner for an ailegeil pontical WWI, in in what /ire
periodic .1 palilicatioit, %%L.., was +life 1111,A1C.411:t*, and
had hewn the pros,cittion.
.` :.1 it ft er a trite Iii:1 hid !wen found on poll in-
dietneent. asst pour petitioner flail been arrested an held
to bail thereon for his appearance. and for his good be-
haviour in the meantime, your petitioner had aeversl in-
terview with Mr. 3lurray, tinting the last of which,
terms wt re proposed by Mr. 3lurray, on beliaif of the.
Asso,;a!7tert, who, in consideration of your peti•ioner's
submit:4lg to plead guilty, to pay all costs, to iicii%er
up his stewl:, to give certain information as to the au-
thor of the alleged libel, and enter into an engagement
nut to sell any hooks which the Association might deem
offensive for two years, offered to wave bringing up your
petitioner for jilloment.
" That your petitiouer bring desirous to get via of
the ex;y•nse and liazir ! of defending himself again?. su
powerfd a holy, was willing to accede to SCIAIIe of the
above terms, and the same were nearly coiicledeil, and
considerable iatormation had been obtained Sr sin your
petitioner, whets, on a sodden, without any reason being
*livered the said Mr. Murray informed your petitioner
that all negotiation tow! cease.
" That witio:n three or four days after such negotia-
tion had li en broken sitr. your petitioner was arre•teil
iiti the finding of a seron4 indictment, whirls, from the
shortness of now that bad elapsed, your petitioner h,•.
Neves inn,' have been in preparation while the negotia-
tion was a:litany pending, and iu less than an hour after
his arrest iii• was cane.' upon to plead to such iudict-
flood in the Court of hint's Bead).
"" drop!, Jail,

That Mr. Justice 1 iolropt. the.. ,ge then presiding
in the Cora, ordered your petitioner to put in hail
sitting Juil:Te's ell:umbers that evening; but in conside-
r:4oon of the short notice ‘viiich your lositinoer had re-
ceived of his alleged offence, he allowed your petitioner
Anther time to determine on his plea.
" That accordingly your petitioner eppearzi before
Mr. Justice at his cironhers, and offered as bail
to the second indictment the same parties who had
already bailed your petitioner under the finft indict-
ment.
" That en this occasion Mr. Murray olijerte.l to the
security offered he they. parties. and emitentleil that the
r:veguisunces entered into by them under the fti.st in-
dictment had been forfeited by the uo•re tinkling of the
second in.tettment. and he announced his intention of
immediately takin.P proceedings in the I. olri of 11..xche-
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loser fat the porroJe of cstrrating

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wont
perhaps all the remedy which could under the circuits
stance► be extended to him) is. in fact, very imperfect.
inasmuch at hr submits that he ought net to he oblifed
to depend solely on the word or oath of say iedividwit
who may be influenced by strong political feelings; and,
moreover, your petitioner submits that a juryman mar
not be bound to admit that he is a secret usernber of the
ass 'dation, and thereby •abject himself to the penaltii-.
of the said act.

"That flour petitioner sul►n►its to yonr hounttrahle
house that this Constitutional Asiociatior,
is, its fact, illegal, unconstitutional, oppressi've, and
mi•-
chirrous.
That imlepen:leittly of the arguments agaiust such
combinations on grounds of public policy, your pet'.
tioner is advked that they are illegal at the common
law, and that (in the words of Chief Jollier N, ti':.)
' if a matt labours to indict another, and he is indicted,
it is maintenance, for that the indictment is the actloq
of the King, and the statute prohiloAs tuaintenance in
all quarr,l% sod actions.' That moreover one of thA
avowed objects of the association is to open correspoe•
deuce with branch associations, contrary to the form of
tile stature of the :11.ttli George 111. as your petition►r

"That the all-styled Constitntional Agent-lotion (as
appears in your petitioner's new) assumes in a net-t
on.iceauntatile manner to itself, and to individuals who
have no interest in the alleged charge, that discretionaiy
p nevr of instituting aid droppitig prosecetiotis, whicia
has beretionie been reclusively exercised by the law
officers of the Crown.
" That this discretionary power, thus sowed by a
rombisiation of private intlicidnals, is not likely to lir
exerted oitli the prudent-is, forbearance, and Intnianity,
which may be expected to mark the exercise of it liy a
reapousible public officer; and your petitioner submit"
that the proceedings of societies are frequently marked
by disregard to many of the wilder feelings which
usnally actuate individual,.
" That it would, in fact, appear from the conduct pile-
sued by the agents of the aliDrllltloll, that their pnrinoe
is nut so much to bring cases of alleged libel to is lair
trial by a jury, as, if poasible, to punish on their own
juilzinent of the ornce, mid by impoverishiug and
•larining the persons whom they select for proaecirtioti,
to (ores' thesis to a etmipliance with the conditions
aerial by their proteehtors.
T lirt you petitioner will not enlarge on the railer-
lions which have been may be urged, on ',Wilt,-
grounds, agaiost this association, as calcidated to divide
and Ili-tract the community into p irtial combinations.
and to %object the public press to a Single party le tile
state, viz , to that po itical parte to which the ineialier
a society sissy chow*. to ..fI,NI their countenance : lie
is clortly desirous of lavink before yoHr flonourallr
loose the !practical operation of proceedings which
alma the very sources of justice, and which lie kegs
leave shortly to recapitulate. via. that the society's prose-
entiinis ate conducted by iiii•sponaihle persons, and he
bodies Acta Jed by strong pulitical feelings, actuatint:
form to attack only their political opponents, and to rake
publieations which the fait and open administration
titivernmelit„ acting under ollirial responsibility end
the enntronl of public opinion, would overlook ; that no
-cietii,sion call be male to a•1,•11 a Lie irty which a de-
:v.l,l4w rAti be sure will be acted upon bona fide. or
which it is not .I‘.;;Taling fir a wall In make to timer of
his nrighlintirs. (rho a 4•1:11P the right to sit in judgment
over him : that he !vas no 'Jima of knowing that the
iiraisol Jury did not couirrise some of his prosecutors •
that the proceedings to the society prevent his having
any other guarantee that his prosecutors do not serve
on the Spe.:ial Common Jury, except their own asser-
tion; and that it is not dear that SI .lorywan is hound
!o answer aline:flan *Melt would criminate him ; that
where the public feeling is strongly excited, there is
danger that the Jury way, after all, he more or less bi-
assed by their feelings fur or against the proseentore.
among wl are so many names of weight. even belong-
ing to the bends of justice awl the administration of
the coontry. That Judges themselves may hecaule in-
terested ;it the rr..olt, woalil be the ease if
ne your peti-
tioner were trier! at the 1/Ivl Bailey, i ailey, where it s the linty
of the very Treasurer of the Association, Mr. .111er:run
Kollin-ell, to act is one of the judges. And finally,
the! if (al your petitioner is advised may be the ea-r)
it r suutd berame necessary to brim a writ of error,.
sack appeal will be heard before as wane as forty of his
prosecu!ors.
" That your petitioner does not enter into a vidiration
of the alleged libels, on which, however, he is read(' tO
meet a fair and open trial, erinsiilerin;.,e the riven notterwaio
in which they originated: het he submits that lie ought
not, wider any supptiaition even of actual guilt to be
thins proceeded
" Toot your petitioner is totally unable to institute
any.proceedings to try the la eality of the proceeding.
against him, awl that (ryes it lie Were CO1111)0'1'0 its try
sire!. ri :coition) a derision the most fairoontl;le to hire
views of the.uoture and legality of the teelocistion would
have no effect in revolt:Miming hint for'tbe • evil which
he may srostain. by an unfair
" Your petitioner, therefore, threw% himself upon the
favourable consideration of your ilotionrahlp !louse.
praying that it will adoet sods nieaserea for staying the
proceeding.; in yonr petitiotier's individual etSe, or far
investigating the legality of the combination in .Ilitre-
tine, or far swproling its operation* pr otherwise, at
to your Ilonourablg House may seems jut and right.
" And your pftioner shag ever pray;',.
On thi mcieti of Ur. 1.,..eitt:20:t0T.4 it was orJere I

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4.144:. 100d56.1-1&10,_,
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HOUSE OF TAll_______lands.--Wantrasuar, Joss a. b . .
primekted. Ile (Dr. L.) *as sere that sl,e Attorney Fastfrart,__.°7,r° ex_lL.lot their
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Hessen', if he knew the eirentostances of the ease, vot osserearriaTorminto
entirely:oost°
belt: pa for
it he hid
. BkoGDIVI and others broogfet op from the Coin-would sot Irani become the prosecutor. The Society,
the Bankrupt Laws Anseeddieut Bill, and sere-
It appeared, relied principally upon four recent Acts bot discovered that ths threat sh bald oot coluid sot be
irate Hills, which were read • first time. legally exat*ted ; but yoor pollinate Is lareamodtliat
Mason, from the gut Indio Boom. .resealed of rudiment. In point of fact. however. Thomas another defendant, similarly sireasustomeed, was; ineon-
van, of the Reveller owl Charges of the several Dolby, had several interviews with a man of the name sequence of the *threatened unable to get
f n the subject of a compromise of the pro- bail who wadi ran the risk thereof, be, lit cos-
°meats of India, sad a Copy of the Resolatious ° Murrayy
seeettens. The condition was, that Thoina.4 Dolby was sequence, remains in confinement.
Directors respecting the granting of salaries, " That a role for a special pry havidir bees obtained
to pidad guilty—to pay the espeaces--to give up leis be, die prosecutor% year ;draw- r "mid
.nutions. and pensions.—Laid on the table.t~s 'Mr.
. stode.--ma to continue upon his good behaviour under
io Irish Island Navigation Hill, and the Stamens d Marra), to produce aid de aver to your the
s Bill, were read a third time, And sent to the
view of the Society for two whole years. This Society names and addresses of all asemboss of tummielloa
loos. he (Dr. Lushington) would say was a conspiracy, and liable to serve on juries in the mot, of Middlesex,
its members a set of conspirators. He particularly
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when itarrod that such list could= famished
Byre and others brought up from [he Com-
Ise of much use to jour {,tide ado
a Hill to authorise the establishment of a new regretted
kut.i.o. 'l4t Dignitaries of the Churah• and men of 7 a state
of
ank, had been seduced I* the Asaocia- °saes essay of the membont nolthyassme. mot
ight CoMpany is the Metropolis.—head a first the --a----c ' them bbiii;:irtrails• missy *banished* or .Meows
doe attbe instance of busy meddling fmik who presided „draping mioarois soatney, ma your .. t sae of Brew Bill, and the Irish Public waits ertrit7 The negoo•iationtalladed to by the petitioner, had sa wervismailtmst elf
seetink= - .4 • ,
draokiim weal peepeeeieely *mesh cetemtit.olt/Mbei, brakes et; Dolby was a mead thee in- refits to
and e reported.
dkted sad apprehended; and his bail wore objected the manses of the members; or any of them, sfialitse • %
wilib
to because they had been bail ander the former indict- sec felit
tfhroem the society at riorge, or of which the name.
e Irish Rate of Interest Rill went through amembers shall not be katered in si book kept
moot. A rule for a special Jury haying been obtained
iittee.—keport to-morrow.--Adjourned. pose.
---41.-. fur the trial of the first indictment. Dolby obtained as offorathat poor
" That in consequence of such inability to prodneP 1
HOUSE OF COIDIONS. order from the Court, empowering him to ask every
proper list, the Court of King's Beach has only been •I Juryman whether be was a member of the association. able to twist your petitioner, by allowing him on Hi.
. Mason, from the Easetmlia Howe, presented This society be (Dr. Lushington) apprehended, justi- approaching trial to interrogate each juryman as to his
to papers relative to the affairs of the Company. feed itself on the precedent of that for tee Suppression connevion kith the association.
" That your petitioner coaceives that this (though
!creel to lie on the table. of Vice. Ile (Hr. Lusleington) bad always thought
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