The Statesman.
London, England, 1809-06-20 00:00:00

ItiOr3i-O-r—cii.43loNS.

Monday, Jane 19.
A Message frees the Lords acquainted the
House that their Lordships hail agreed to the Seats
in Parliament Bill, the Insolvent Debtors Bill
and several private Bills. • •
Sir Jone Sum-etre brought up the Report of,
the Committee app..iiited to inquire into the utili-
ty of eueJurieging and extending the use of broad.
_Aheoltd carriages. The Report *as ordered to bo
...printed.
The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod appeared
at the liar, and summoned the Ursine to the House
of Nets to hear the Royal Assent given by Com-
mission to several publsrand• private Bills. On
hi* return, the Speaker acquainted the House that •
the Royal Asseut had been given to the Scotch
Judicature (WI, the Insolvent Debtors Wile they
Irish Grand Juries Ragalation Dill, and several I
private Bills. .
Sir dons fittece.tia brought up a Bill for limit- I
leg the number of pawners to be carried on -the
outside of stage-coiclios. Read a first and sea*
time, and committed. Report ordered to be Pellietz,
ed„ end to bu taken into cuesideraCop eltit iiiir
three months. , ,•••••Iss
A Message from the lonia acquainted tt!e Hems
that their Lordships had agreed to the Column:
dated Fund Bill, and the Judges' Salaries 1)111; al.
so to the ilankropt Laws Amendructit Bill, ;with
amendments, to which they desired the 1:411111611/41
renee of the Commons. lit"
Sir S. Itoruasor regretted thatAhe Lords should
have thought it espedient to introduce any aite.
rations into his Bill, but as be conceived it was
still capable of producing much bandit to an tin.
fortunate class of men, he hoped the House would
concur in the amendments suggested by the Lords.
Theamendaseats were thou agreed te.
Mr. Jonnsirema, from the Chief Secretary of
Iftland's Office, presented certain Papers, rela-
tive to the Police Establishment iu Ireland. Or-
dered to be printed.
Mr. WILSZILIOILCZ presented a petition from
die Rev. Spencer Clarke, vindicating himself from
the aspersions thrown on his character by thu pa
titian of tits Reverend Thomas Humphrey, pre-
sented a few* days ago.--Ordered to lie ou the
table.
Mr. Rosa condemned the petition of Mr. Hus-
sy, cud thought that measures ought to be
opted to prevent such petitions (rues aiming be.
flu
ore the Howse. • '‘.
Mr. S. [Amax bore testimony to 11616411atUille
of Mr. Clarke, and declared, that that fiber pug
of the allegations of Mr. liumphrey's • petitistb
were unfounded.
fir T. Tuarom presented 4 petition from Mrs.
*sty Ann Clarke, praying that the • Papers be,,,
longing to her, which came int& the possession iit
the Howie through the means of-Mr. Nichols, at!
Ifearpstcad, should, be restored to her, or some
pers.in whom she shook( Appoint to receipt the
same. • .
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After a few words from the Catascam.oa of the
EXCUTQUEI the‘Papers were onisred to be re.
turned to :tine Clukis. •
, .
M. Cases iagia:red, whether) the India Pa.
pens, which he had nio•vtl, would be forthcomieg
previous to the clue of the Session ?
Dir. OuNaAs replied, that act Papers would be
reedy to.morrow.. •
A message (turn the Lords acquairtii:d the House
that their Lordships bad agreed to the Paupers'
Removal Sill with Amendments. .9.. 4
I,t.IrCHILISTER WATER WORKS. l
Sir j. Gllllll/6111 moved that the lueeeduienb
scut Owe from the Lords be most keu into
coo .tie..
el Sisster moved, so .s L5.5..L.,,,i.
that they should be considered this day three
months.
Aries aOw words from Mr. 11. Beowrie, the
'louse divided, when there appeared—
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MIST INDIA CADETS.
Odour ei.admission we found Sir T. TUILTON
jiis lap, commenting on that part of the Re-
rEsthe Committee on the Abuses of East In.
Patronage that receorlended the Mal of all
such Officers in the Company's service whose Of.
feel bad been purchased.; ,this be thought to be a
tissiseres of reprthcespie severity, and acting ri.
porously and cruelly agaisst a number of inno-
cent young man, who 'not oat at an age when it
wes hepoesiblo for. Oleos to be *gallty,of the.*
fence fur ablels the.y wet new to be punished, by
an oilier that woUld eventasiii, bajfroduciiii9f
their risllN mid blast all their hopes in lire.—
Ito nil that he trusted 4h that Part of *Cite-
portiroutd not hi acted upon ; and if it was not,
ho would be willing to withdraw his motions but 1
aqt otherwise. Ile then moreil-
4, rim the Ifeettosbeelsfresetve ;that Howe did rot
teat= In the leporCof Clam" 14411‘11101tit iaiptit!ti
We the LAW. of FA:4lmila PaViages at! Sop &reli ed to
the housedinte ocreuity of males, resdarctichie Teetwable
a balding any Pause ottoothaii, Owe pelesue. *be; the
Bakst teoweeeter iguentht if dot =ma by *kith theiiotta
soigne SW* pagoda wears hit Situ relied dr-% mOmere
severity erttVy rept;eatat tojltiddtjoitiee ml the stair!
of seeasaty.'


that
he at
communication
had not influenced the
. alluded to. In Order to
wen had hal sufficient notirc,
of the Court in the year
tiott of the consequences

, corrupt practices now prohi.
adverted to the Report, to a sieti.
Court in the year 1790. lie
moving the
.pre tits us question.
`z spoke in favour of the iteport
thought that the House
they shotild interfere with the
lie called upon the Hut JO
ket invested in the Court
present Resolution went
said that it was quite futile
%%inch had been nestle, 11-
.hey to . Acted a, ay by excepting dial
soils of the persons who had purchased those AL:
tuations. As, therefore, the motion appeared to'
hint to have have a temk to interfere with the
Court of Directors and the Act of Pariiament, he
should vote filmiest the motion.
Mr. WINDHAII iaid that he could not help
adverting to that subject upon which, on a former
night, he had occasion to make sewse observatiene.
lie meant that sort of outrageous virtue, that,
while it laid chiles to Immaculate parity for itself,,
went beyond all bounds iu venting its vengeancil
against the alleged criminality of others. Thiel
was too much the principle in the present case.
Ila this way of overdoing justice, Gend 1
seemed to argue in the same way the great i w
6
of Pruseia did; who, when a soldier in a • '
breeze had his hat blown off, had the soldier Se-
verely puttished foe this accident : and it certainly
was observed afterwards, that whether the man
was innocent or not, fewer hats ft.4l of afterwards
[a laugh). lie, however, was nut for arguing liw-
ir
titis manner in order to justify the punishing t
innocent, which be took to be impossible. Ah
indeed, before guy such absurd priudpie was
sorted to, he was foe- cencta prism iratandet
Every means should be tried to get at the cud de
sired, before they should adopt so harsh and u
just a mode as war suggested by the Report o •
the Committee. He Should tote fur the original
motion. • '
Mr. WALLACE defended the Report of the
Goostuittee, and thought the plan proposed the I
most effectual remedy to check the growth of~ the
coil they complained of. • I Mr. sTEINI EN was rather of opinkni that the
Committee went farther than they need have gone,
in recommending the proposition they had done; '
the young nten who would be sufferers hi conse-
quence of such a proposition being carried into
effect, had not been guilty of the offence they
wished to punish. They would be, however, at.
tcrly ruined if it was brought to bear against
them. Many of them were now established there,
and it would be hard to reml them after the seeds.
hots they had made. Tearing themselves, at a_
period of life when the affections were most warm,
treat all those dear and near ties of blood by.
which they were bound to their families and that
homes, to go into a distant world in search of as
honourable competence, after they had, perhaps,
impaired their constitutions, or for any other rev.
son had become unqualified to gain in this saints*
* suitable subsistence. it was said, but let their
then suffer ; perhaps the father was long In the
,orate, and the sem now the only staff of a declin.
lag mother, or dependent sisters. Ho here ap.
pealed in a very fueling manner to the Hesse, and
besought them them to beware how in the ardour
of their goad Intentions they might-be hurried to
confound the innocent with the guilty.
Mr. GRANT, in a low tone of voice, sup-
oorted the Amendment. He thought that the mo.
tion of the Honourable Baronet had a tendency to
interfere with the Court of Directors, and the Act
of Parliaineot which invested then with the powers
they had. Ho- contended that the Gentlemen hi
question had had more than sufficient notice of the
oonsequesce of such purchases, by the public ad.
vertisement of the Court of Directors, in-the Lon.
dun Gazette, in the year 1800.. The plan pro.
posed did appear the most effectual; but he was
confident the House would have no reason to
complain of any harsh application of the rule if
once adopted. Besides, it was now Under consi.
deratiew before the Court of Proprietors, and he
thought it better to wait until their decision was
known. ifs should vote for the previous question.
Mr. FREEMANTfA& said a few words in fa.,
r‘siir of theuriginal motion.
ri,,e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
touugee.'hat the proposition of the Honourable
Baronet w05...i4 —se doe if adooted by the House,
to neutralize toteßesolutions or tbt -Cumin-tor., Le
would also have a urger effect than Gentlemen
were aware of—it shoir:4 be followed up by a
motion rescinding the Iteno:zttion in the Report
that had already been received.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY saw to impropriety
in that House coming to any iteseplitjon upon a
Report of their Committee ; but he saw *real in-
, justice in the modest procedure recommenced for
the vocal of those Gentlemen, whom they could
rloot pet inta,the same place here, of which they
deprived them in India, though avowedly innocewt
of the offence they wished to put a atop to—not
to dwell upon the sacrifice of health, friends, and
connections, "thick they had submitted to, the iii-
justice itself, was sufficiently flagrant without
dwelling upon any other consideratioe ; what'
' would they say Of thole Legislators who would
enact thersaishisMattof the children of those of-
fenders who hatd 'lad their country, in order to
avoid the consegeence of their crimes 1 l'he cosies
were parellec. tar in the present instance ,tt
I were gulag to pettish the children ff for the opi ,
lof the father. Bet he ceefessesti he did .titird
how well io aceotest -for the great ilisplat '' :i
stere jostlie Gentienstuou the • other side •
Iso embltieme to make Likar l]e' evict on that,
House toes in .their. places ha Verliainent, anti,
*hove ail, its Volt session of Parliament l—a sessian
iio the course of which these austere notions
jollies had beep so saftened..down ark! areornino. I
t listed to existieg eirettarstaiees--41 session in whirl

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allowance and
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Heide .. peniten tie [ 1, ' hear !]»:..
The offenders, to be sure, were rather of a highef
order than that °fan humble Cadet( I. 1 ear , hear n
But surely such rigorous proceediugs did not be-
come that Haase in thst instance against those
avowedly innocent, when in a case in which a Se-
' crelary of State was the accused, they thought It 1,
,sight to go no farther iii it, because it was possi-
ble thetas he did out complete the crude, lie might
have haply repeated before he would have coui-
'pleted it. If in that and other instances they
thought it better to look rather to the futnre than
the post, why should they think differcutly now ?
When'even in the case of Mr. Beauchamp Hill,
who was charged with receiving bribes, to connive
lat frauds in the revenue, they had thought it best'
to overlook what' was gone by, upon what prin.
i elide of consistency could they now 'adapt a'
! course of such implacable severity towards the in.
1 nocent I -
The ATTORNEY GENERAL was appro.
hens;ve that the iirgurnents resorted to by his Ho-
nourabie and Learned Friend had been mails: use
of for the purpose of introducing the observe.
thins with which he had closed his speech. lie'
was against interfering with the Court of Di.
rectors.
Mr. PETER MOORE said, that the injustice
affecting the yearns Cadets, then perhaps hghting
the battles of their country, and resulting from
the plan proposed in the Report for their meal,
was so open' and flagrant as to be utterly iudefea.
tible.
Mr. LUiIIINGTON was so confident that
tbo Cadets would suffer uo injustice flAn the
:Court of Directors, that he would vote for the
previous qnestion.
Mr. C. WUTCHINiON paid a tribute to Sir
Samuel Rumilly, and commented oil the happy
epplicatiens of that Learned Gentleman's observe-
.tions to the preceediugs of that House during the
present Sessions.
Mr. HENRY SMITH was for the previous
treestion. ,
Mr. NICHOLAS VANSITTART expressed a
wish that the Court of Directors would reconsider,
their determination. - •
Mr. HENRY THORNTON said, that though,
the rule might in strictness bethought: a harsh cue,
still, as under the contritel of eke Directors it
would experience relaxatiOtt, he thotrght the OW.
tion was unnecessary.
Sir T. TURTON then replied—He said that it
was admitted that the rub) ought to be relaxed,
but if it was so harsh a one, why should it nut.ra.
tier be given up altogether. He denied that his
..Resolcitiuti had any tendency to interfere with the
powers of the Court of Directors or with thee Act
.of Parliament. It was a Resolution upon a pits.
sage in a Report of their Committee, and it was
every way competent fur them to diming and tie.
cide upon it. Ao Honourable Director bad ridi. 1
culed his (Sir Thomas's) floating ideas upon this
' subject. This wit was new front that Hon. Gen.
dollen, who was rather distinguished for more
solid mental qualities. But there were some who
let their wit hurry them too far ; aceurding to the
Poet--
" Thereon whom lieav'n has Wesel ellb store of o it,
" Unt waist as wit again tom:twice it." _
But he.aenied that his was a floating idea...it was
at anchor on paper, and be now called upon the
Mouse to decide upon its merits.
The House then divided, when the Resolution of
Sir Thomas 'furton was negatived, the numbers
being, _
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Lord 03SULSTON owed that the It et rn of
Offices under 2001. a-year, and of Offices in the
Colonies, presented to the House this day, be
printed.
Mr. THORNTON was afraid one of the Re.
terns would be found too minute. The Committee
bad divided them into two parts, fur the purpose
of allowing one of them, which alight he necessary
to be printed, and that parts only of the other
might be selected. He p,rtieularly noticed the
great expence of printing papers laid before the
House, which were often found in a great respect
useless.

After some conversation, Lord Ossuiston agreed
to confine his motion to the description and num-
ber of the offices, and to bring it furward to-mor-
row.
PUBLIC ECONOMY.

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Mr. WARDLE row, according to his notice,
and said he hoped he should be indulged in the ob-
servations which ho was about to make, as he
had been so very particularly called forward. It
bad been represented that he had talked widely
concerning the burthens of the country, and the
grievances from which it might be relieved. lie
thought it but in justice due to himself, now ape.
clfically to state that n hich he had before stated
on the subject ; he had said, as nearly as he could
recollect, that if the house of Comin.ins was re.
formed, and placed upon the original footing upon
which the Constitution intended it should stand,
the amount of the income tit: might be *used to
the country. If Gentlemen in that House thought.
proper to reprehend him fur such language, he
need. only refer them to the terms in which a great
'Statesman, whom they Were in the habit of look.
•ingnp to with reverence, had expressed himself
on tkielebject in the year 1782. In that year
Vr. Pitt, speaking en a Reform in Parliament,
i said, " that if the Howse of Commons had been
always steady to the eaten:6la of their constitn.,
cuts, then no such burdens us now r.risted would.
Li:suffered by the ctunitry." Now the laugisage
which he (hi,. WivWlr) hid veal,,-was by nu
means equally Wiroog With this. Allr he had salt'
was, that if a Reform took place, then great ex_
owners might he saved to *the enimiry ; but Mr.
.41001.4111 nut scruple to assert, that If the of
Comatapwaeas as it ought to be, .then such expel).
egs never w0i.:.l have been incurred. It had been-
; made a matter of public accusation against him,
the ho had attacked' public men ; he tunk tills or. '
csaion of auleawily deelarhig lhat lie had nerd
done so. Re might have accused or

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Alft'nda,fts Joffe ."g ...' Resolutiou of the Court i
In a Committee of Privileges '
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Came, the LORD CUANCELLOR, foi"theth rhl al he read an advertisement
rosamed his arguments, and stated his opiniiasi Iso6, giving due notifies!
when the further consideration was deferretitM to. resulting from the corral
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morrow. bited. Ile also adverted
The Royal Assent was given, by Commission, lar effect of the saute Cot
to the folhwing Bills : the Woollen Manufacto_ concluded with moving 11
revs, the Irish Militia Revelation, the insolvent Mr. BANKES spoke
Debtors, the A(rlcau Coffee, the Irish Revenue of the Committee, and t
Regektion, and the Sale or Parliansentalry Seats should pause before they
Bills. 1 Court of Directors. IT<
The Commissioners etre the. Lord Chancellor, 1 to recollect, that the .1/e!
the Duke of Montrose, and I,..trJ IValainaham. I those powers which the 1
A few Bilk Here brought up from the Commons, :to interfere with. Ire set
among which was the Bankrupt Laws 13111. *i to itsake the provisions v
Adjourned. i they were to be frittered
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TUB STATgSMAN. .
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horteur wllllO4 the there had been so mttch of gcner9us allu
at all tildes to attend tarnency, and where such abundant
w assiestion from that . Bride fur the locus penile:: liar ! [flair,
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