The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-06-01 00:00:00

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or manufacturini inter:sts were neglected. (Jr 3:r.
rat.ning, the Mrmber for Liverpool, was one of the
Camatitt e, as were also tbe Lord May .r and Mr.
Bright, ont• of whom mi.. lit he supposed to reprisent
the tr iding iriirrest of the metropoli. while the other
was returned for Bristol, a place of the first commer-
cial importance iu the kingdo.n.
After a few words in explanation from Mr. CAL-
CAM and Mr. Riesano,
Mr. BARING expressed his hope, that the House
would dispose of this question in such • eilituner as to
leave no ground for alarm in the public opinion. But
if the house procee led with any in heaths!' of follow-
ing up the spirit in which this question was brunglit
forwael, then indeed was there ground, and rational
ground. for alarm t and be, fur one, would pull the
tocsin with all the strength which he coulee exert.—
(Hear, bear')—Hr would nut, of course, he hoped,
he understood to wish fir any thikx Ilk, a tumultuous
irregular uppos'tion to the question, becan‘e he was
convinced that such a mode of resistawe would Holy
weaken itseffect. lie only desired to ex:ite that spirit
of aspreliension which was well described by the must I
eloquent man that ever sat in that House—he meant
Mr. Burke—who observed, "The alarm hell of mid-
night may disturb your rest, hut it nill prevent you
from being murdered in your beds."—(Bear
Sit Al. W. RIDLEY explained.
Mr. Benrosissi thotteht there was a strange incon-
sistency in the professions his lino. Friend (Mr.
Baring). He denied that he wished to excite alarm,
vet hr said he would pull the tocsin with all his
streugth.---(llear, hear believ..d, however, that
his lion. Friend night pull as long as he was able,
and that his exertions would, after all, be attended
with very indifferent results.
Mr. BARINO explained.
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The question that Mr. Bright hr one of the said
Committee was slum put and catrivd. The following
3lembers were added to the Committee without further
observation :----Sir Thomas Ackland, Mr. John Fane,
Mr. Bankrs, Mr. Brougham, Mr. John Bennett, Mr.
J. Irving, Mr. Coke, Mr. Hooch, and Mr. F. Lewis.
The C 'me were authorised to meet to-morrow, to
send for persons, papers, and records ; five to be a
quorum.

I - Mr. F. Itoutxsox rose, and said, in order to ac-
count for the al parent inconsistency of his moving an
• instruction to a Committee, to the very principle ot
which Committee he WWI last night decidedly adverse,
' that he would bare supported an amendment last night
to the effect of his present motion, if his Hun. Friend
.; who proposed it was nut then compelled to withdraw
it, in consequence of a point of form. He lamented
the decision to which the House had come to un that
• i
occasion ; but now that the Committee was to go on,
he felt himself urged by a para 00000 unt sense of duty to
submit a motion for narrowing the grounds of inquiry,
as segictly as was consistent with the hope of a useful
sir pActicable result. He concludes', with moving--
" That it be ass instruction to the said Committee to
candor its inqstiries to the mode of ascertaining the re-
turns, and calculating the average prices of corn in,
the twelve maritime districts, and to ass inquiry into I
any frauds which may have been committed in viola-
tion of the said laws, and to report thereon."
Mr. Woosmousa said, that the present Isystetp of
tXklfg the averages was fallacious, not so much istits
prin us in the manure in which it was appllA
de bad reason to know that frauds, or at least insects-
, ratios, slid exist in the present inside. He mentioned
an fettrance, in which as Hamburg's house was le-
! ceived ; and he stated as a fact, that in the November
of 1615, the avera4e return fruits Lynn, in Norfolk,
was calculated from the sale of 1,053 quarters of wheat,
`while the average fur a market town in Denbighshire
was made up from the sale of two bushels, and yet the
I return from Norfolk had no greater influence upon the
general average of the whole of the maritime districts
than the return from Wales.—(Hear, hear '.)—Was this
a fair or faithful mod: of taking the averages?
Mr. licanata. or Mr. Cuersis (we were not able to
learn which) said, that unless the price of corn was
• kept up it was impossible for agriculturists to pay the
taxes. Ile objected to the motion of the Hight Hun.
tientlesnan, for, in truth, it went to fritter away the
decision to which the House had come last night--
(Hear, hear '.)--;-and he, therefore, its order to leave a
wider field for inquiry to the Cononsitte;•, he moved an
anoessolniesit—" 'I hat it be an instruction to the said
Committee to inquire whether the present mode of
taking the averages ascertained the actual market prices
of Born throughout the United Kingdom, and whether
any other method could be devised better adapted to
the accuoup!illiment of that purpose."
Mr. S. Woenav opposes' the amendment, and said
that he would vote for the original motion.
' The limitation dour space compels us to onsit the ob-
servations which were made on each side by}
Members; and we van only state, that Mr. DaNNISTT
recommended the petitions to be taken into full con-
sideration ; Mr. Mostar spoke against any inquiry at
all, which, he said, was most likely to result its raising
she price of corn; Lord Tassel-a expreseed Isis sieterasi-
nation to support the original motion ; air. Wskuscr
would have voted against the Committee, but as that
question was decided, he would now vote for restricting
the inquiry; Mr. Ea NW was only anxious to render
the protection already afforded by Parliament effectual;
be denied that these was any just ground for public
alarm.
Lord CASTLIIRIt sou wished the Houle to confine its at-
tention strictly to the proposition now under its consi-
deration. Whilst so many various views were indulged,
it was impoasilole the House could usefully apply its ge-
neral kilowledge with practical effect. He entertained.
the greatest respect for the petitioners; hitt be thought
the present a time, shove all others, ashen it was the
duty of his Majesty's Minis:ers to act towards the roan- I
try in a decided, unequivocating line of policy. That/
complaints of hardships coming from any quarter should
be attended to he did not deny, but that was not the
question. Every one admitted floe existence of the dis-
tress, it was upon the nature of the remedy to be sp-
plied to it that differences of opinion prevailed. He un-
derstood from bat had fallen from ass lion. Friend of
his on a former debate, that it was not in contemplation
to !else the standard of protection of the law of 1615, but
to put loos, better execution the principle laid down in
the Corn Laws. He denied, however, that the amend-
ment proposed by the Hon. Member for Sasses went to
the effect of recognising that principle. That law, so
far from declaring that the wale of average for tbe ma-
ritime counties was to extend to all the markets in the
kingdom, fixed the protecting price at 80s. upon aver-
ages which were 'known to the country •and the prece-
ding law; and declared that the average should be six
or eight shillings less, it applied to the whole kingdom

as differ:llg from the sharitithe co series. The qui—sm.*et,: ,„
thenhat issue, was between the 'ON. and 745. and ;,f....4
long discession the tsila. was adopted. 1 iierefore it i;,,,
the no an v. Cie en ring nistriets 5% hie I. were a veeige :. •
••I
nut the agricilltoral MIPS. Two results wily rou:ti • ..,,.
ceed from this itiqniry—either that the posteetion tii 1,,
agriculturist was:is he altered, or the s a,e of the pi i;„:
tion laid down in the law of tors was to be eulards,
Now, as to the first, lie was iteeideilke averse to an, :ii;
any alteration whatever in tl,e .verities 1:7 o ropiiiii4tit.::
which, he contended, wonl,l he, in titer, doing that ia 4
disguised shape which they Isere afraid to du in tie
fire of the country. Was this the time to poss a Cie:.
Ylollmoditnire:laisneilniefiri—l".:ll 11
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Hill, when the several interests of the State were jarrts;
with each other, aiiiitilne!rweitr.
'midis feelings, but if it wit
bete to smile ;Ally enjoyed by his neighbonr, the.
dist7ess which lie 1
There was a serious
the lonise not to tr:tie nitli
intended at bottom to tell Ilse politic that some more Pt.
retinal V0114'6011 should be gii lot the agriculturist, 11,4
in the way of average, hut in that stay proposed in It 15,
in the name of lied, it was better to say so at once, than
hold them in suspense whilst the affor would he under
discussion. I 1 the Committee mild mile i onFne itself
to an inquiry into the &ands under ilie existing laws, ,:
woulti have as ,muchas it could du for the remainder of
the Session. A delay to those writing preteetimi
itunii
he now less material, as the ports were shut against the
importation of foreign corn; they had rejoct d this oio-
isiopiey for the last eighteen months, rad there wait, as
yet, little prospect of its bi kg interriopted. bet he if gain
ermined the House, that no moment *mild posdhly be
'loosen for agitating this question so had as the orrsert.
The same arguments which were in favoitr to rue avi-
culturist its 1015, by no weans now existed. At that
time, so great a necessity there was, he saw, fur protett•
ing that interest, that he warmly ititerested bilestli i,
the fate of the 4 urn Hill ; and Le sill Ilion:lit, it thin
salutary use er had keen passed a y •iir abutter. it woohl
have save i -fountry f a great deal of distress
t li lie therefore rested his on. Friend, who he ,„ante
a
hail nu other view titan public good, to tease for the pr...
sent to based the discussion of the i hole creation in:*
the Corn Hill, and to let the Committee confine itself s.e.-
ply to the abuses under the existing law. Tile latttr
might be done conveniently ; the former could not witli•
out great inconvenience, if not ilauger.—(ileatl)—Tbe
House deceived themselves if they thought they eouli.,
under cover of inquiry into fraud and protection, go
with any safety into any alteration of the at erageb truth
those established in 1815. 'I he subie Lord procredes
with some more observanons, and concluded by sayitc,
lie would support the motion fur a t 'oinniittee, to gis,•
effect to the arrangements of 1115, and to inquire me
the fraud* tinder the existing laws.
Mr. 11. St'3I:VER assured the Noble Lord he had r)
other views than those lie was Lind euungh to impute to
him ; hut, at the game time, lie felt it doe to the interests
of the great body of agriculturists, not to concede to the
suggestion of the Noble Lotrol. He asserted, that the
number of petitions on the table was evidence of the
necessity which there was for an immediate inquiry. Is
going into the Committee, hot , he avowed that he
did not mean to repeal any part of the Act of 1815, so as
to bring forward an increase of protection through Ow
of the case, therefore, lie should persist in rallinir for a
medium of an alteration in the averages. ha theta vire'
Committee, charged with full powers to effect its oh.
jests.--(Hear!)
Mr. CALCRAFT rears an extract from the Journals of
the date of the 47th February, lot:), to show the intr•
tion of the Legislature then, that the protecting ?nee
should he taken from the averages which then existed.
H s was fur as inquiry, but be was against any adteratiou
in the averages. lie observed, that the lion. Member
for Surrey had dwelt much upon the proptiety of ter-
ing the urgent claims of the numerous petitiosers, mod
how unbecoming Parliament it 'nook, be to torn its
back upon compleints so extensively attested all le-
forced ; but he (Mr. Caleraft) could state for the toes
mitigate of the Home, that the most of thboeseserthible
emanated from a Society, which had distri
for signature through most ports of the kingdom.
persons signed them, because they were told it r
them good. To his own knowledge there was,,
a large class of farmers, yeomen, and occupiers
who did not sign those petitions, and alto r
vinced that the present was not a time to make
application to Parliament. lie regretted meth
cision of the preceding night. A great deed r
and false expectation would have been saved the
if the question had terminated differently. Now,
was only a choice of difficulties. The motion of is
Hon. Friend was limited, and therefore he wont
for it in preference to the proposition of the Member ,
Sussex, which was calculated to disturb the public tat
to hold out a rash, unadvised, and hopeless expectation,
and to create speculations which must end In iNsap•
pointment.
Mr. PIIII.I.IPP att... pted to natives' the Home,'
voice was ovens helmed with cries of " Question.

Mr. Bite11:1:11AM ellifrill'ollred to sheer, that
tion of his Majesty's Ministers on the present is,
in the ronrse which they had adopted, was to get
the decision of tile House on the preceoing night
side wind. lle remarked upon the Not,le Lord (\
reagh) having expressed his surprise at having
beaten by that decision ; whether on aceonnt of his
log omitted to adduce any arguments which our!
have entitled him to a victory, be (.Ir. Brougham)
could not tell. But those Members whom the Noble
Lord had described as having retired npun receiving,
mission, had since got a hint, and had some dew
crowds to repair their former neglect of duty.
wand of the magician had been raised, or more
tally the is hip, and it had poured the phalanx that
expected to redeem the field—

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" Apparent dire facies, inissaque Tr.)*
Nowlin' magna—"
There were even Learned Judges, who bad been
from the argument, hat were retailed to be
the derision. The Learned Member then
show, that it was not those who voted for the (' _
but those who opposed them, who aosinded the to, I
alarm. Alone:, forsooth, at the audacious design k
tering the ancient acd established law, wham aka
ran so far back as the year 1?415.—(A lassl4-116 0
tended, that the ronrse now pursued to get .
..
_rid of*
question, was one calculated to drive the sidgellow•
to despair ; after their hopes had been Ilanterads dor
was now to be clashed from their lips. Some of IM'
nerous sympathy ought to be indulged towards
body, which appeared to be monopolised in regard lb
the °diet classes. There was more danger apprelseedni
from crowird artisans, thin from a scattered, .
less valuable pension,. He conjured the Hoare 5...
allow the i'.e. ision of the former night to be reoderfd,
(story by agreeing with the motion of the night
Heotlerson. If that motion were azreed to, noisily'
taimed in the prayer of the petitions meld Besse'
the eonsidereion of the Committee. There .
indeed, from l'arlow, in Ireland, that nsighteterat
the scope of their powers, hat they weld be •
from taking law their examination • single ,
of the numerous petitions which had been prosestell
every part of England. This motion. In fart. .119
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which would has been negatived on the
night, if a gallant Henreid (tiseroynr) lad
previous question to he withdrawn ; hilt le She
the Howe did not allow of the awake WS, i
night, because the i revions question stood is de•

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LONDON:
MT ivssima, ntxs 11, 1420.

Baltitnore Papers arrived this morning to the Idfr
April.
Extract of a letter from St. Thomas's, dated March
'22 :—" lfusivesi is extremely dull here ; and we now
beein to experience the dull times which have been
t felt by you so long. We have had, until recently, a
: considerable stir, but it is now at an end. 7be Mar
pritta expedition, and the trade to the Main, Porto
;Rico, and the adjacent islands, have kept us alive for
e• ,tae awe past. Oar harbour is full of vessels of all
x.ations, and the town is stocked almost nith evety
ar-
de the w.irld produces. We have so recent accounts
I. um M.irgaritta."