The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-06-20 00:00:00

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ih. WESTERN condemn►d the conduct of the Ma-
gistrates. The statement before the boos. required it:
romilderatkn, and lie was convinced that it would never
receive the sanction of Parliament.

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Mr. HUME said that the preeseineve virtualities of
the Hoy the countryresteLved ham having Clergymen
'n the Commission 0,, the Pso.' From their natural
anxiety fur promotion and livings they were ever court-
ing the attention of Government, and were always ready
,so he enhservient to it. Ile would (nether say that no
violence of the State should be allowed to be In the
Commisaion of the Peace.
The Petition was then brought up and laid on the
table.
Sir W. ROSE presented similar petitions from the
hooked, of Head wash and Shope, le the county of
Snore.
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Mr. WESTERN gave notice that on the earliest open
day he would submit a series of Resolutions to the It •sse
descriptive of the distress which affected all cloaca, par-
ticularly the agricoltn:4l, and with a view of showing
how far that distress was attribahible to the altered value
of the currency.
• COIN 111fORTATION BILL.
Mr. ROBINSON moved the Order of the Day for the
third reading of ICI Bill.
Mr. CURWEN raid he would oppose the Bill, as he
considered it a great hardship on the agricultural in-
terests. Though he would never agree to iejure the
fendbolder by lessening the amount of the National
Debt, yet he was of opinion, that the fundhelder should
ha called upon to contribute to the support of the poor.
He would move that the Bill be read that day three
months for the purpose of recording hie dissent.
Mr. BRIGHT said that he considered that the agri-
colorists bad taken a very erroneous view of the pro-
bable operation of the Bill.
• Mr. WESTERN would not allow the Bill to get
through a third reading withost giving it his final ma-
lediction.
After a few went. from Mr. D. BROWNE, the Bill
was read athirst doe and passed.
151511 TITHES.
Mr. DALY rose to move the Order of the Day for
taking into consideration the subject of tithes in Ire-
land.
Mr. PEEL took the liberty of recommending to the
Hon. Gent. sot to pros his motion at that late period of
the Session, bat to give notice that be would call the at-
' tendon of the Hasse to it positively the first week of the
next Session.
said that the considered that the

Mr. DALY sa.. tne country cu_
House was pledged to the subject this year. He was
willing to accede to the wishes of Hon. Members, and
would go on or withdraw his motion as the House de-
sired.
Sir E. O'BRIEN recommended the Hos. Member for
Galway not to press his motion at that time.
Mr. S. RICE hoped that his Honourable Friend
would net accede to that recommendation in justice to
public opinion, in jostice to himself, and to the people
of lathed.
Mr. D. BROWNE costarred in the necessity of going
on with the motion,
Sir J. NEWPORT was se folly impressed with the
necessity of the Holm proceeding immediately to the
discussion of the subject that he world bring it forward
if the Honourable Member for Galway consented to
Whirs' n it.
r HUME asked if the Hoc Member declined to go
the motion en which be bad gives notice, could
Isis allowed to take it up on the instant and bring it to
a vote ?
~The SPEAKER said that the matter wee one with-
out precedent, and the only answer he could give was,
that when the Hon. Member for Galway sign;fied what
his intention was, the next Hon. Member who caught
the Speaker's eye would be in possession of the House.
and entitled to bring forward any subjectthat he thought
proper.
Mr. BROWNLOW wished to koow if the subject
was now deferred !umlaut to the. recommudetiosref
the Right Honourable Secretary, would the Irish Go-
vernment engage to give it their support in the nett
Session.
Mr. DALY said, that be felt himself pledged to the
House for that evening; but if he could reckon `upon
the assistance of the Government. he would for such aid
be happy to adjourn his motion to the succeeding Sea.
sion.
Mr. GOLTLEURN said, that as he was thus pointedly
called upon, he would state that the subject was at pre-
sent under the attention of the Irish Government. And
that next Session he would inform the House what the
result of their investigation was—if successful, he would
then explain the difficulties that might interfere to pre-
vent their founding any measure upon it.
Mr. VESEY FITZGERALD trusted that if the Hon.
Member for Galway would consider if he could really
adva'ime the cause he advocated, by forcing it on the
House at that time, and in that inauspicious m .
Hews of opinion that a discussion at present was more
likely to retard than promote his objects.
Mr. C. H. HCTCHINSON, Sir H. PAR:YELL, and Mr.
CALCILAFT• were of opinion that the Hon. Member for
Galway (Mr. DalT), bad better proceed with his motion.
Mr. PLUNKLTT advised the lion. Gentleman to
postpone his motion. With regard to the general ques-
tion, he never had said that no specific measure could
be proposed; although he himself could not see his
way to one. He thought that next Session some speci-
fic measure would he brought forward ; and thought so
far the principle of commutation might enter into it, as
that land might be commuted for tithes; awl that was
a desirable way of removing the difficulty. If this mo-
tion were persevered in until the final settlement of time
matter, no one in Ireland would be found to.pay a por-
tion of tithes.
Mr. DALY said, as he was then called upon to make
a decision, he must say, that as his princip4l reason for
making ie motion was to see bow they were to stand
at the beginning of next Session, he was willing, site;
what he had heard, to abandon his motion.
The motion was then withdrawn.

Mr.HUME then rose and said, that in consequence
of the Hon. Member for Galway having quitted the
field, it was his intention forthwith to take the matter in
hand, and bring the whole question of Irish Tithes be-
fore the bouse.—(Fleur, hear, hear.) He bad for souse
titer contemplated a motion on the subject, and seeing,
as he did, with surprise, his Majesiy's Ministers were
contented to sit idle for the rest of the Session with re-
gard to this heart-burning subject, whilst Ireland was
in a state which required a military establishment, at an
expense of two millions. he was not sorry for the oppor-
tunity of stating his views on the subject. If they were
erroneous he would be corrected= it not,.he relied on
the support of the house to rectify the evils which he
considered to be at the bottom of the present state of
that vo?iit r.. His views might be will and visionary,
hut he confessed that he was not able to reconcile the
long series of insurreetions in Ireland with the exist-
ence of the present tithe system alone. Tithes were in-
deed the principal cause of the present disturbances in
Ireland. lie was anxioui to ensile the Clergy of Ire-
land to discharge their duties, bat he protested against
,making them allowances disproportionate to those du-
ties. He wished to avoi I both extremes. IA bad been
stated that tithes were property as 'weed as property of
Any ether description. Ile was for preserving the rights
of property inviolate, but church property had always
been considered as at the disposal of the Government ;