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again have recourse (0 similar ineasures. It was
always a bad plea fur aul nopopular• measure to
support it by precedent, for precedents taken
from bud times could, always be found ; • but be
hoped the people would.amanfully resist all illegal
and unconstitutional exercise of power, and if the
people expressed a resolution to that effect, he
Allister would be bald enough to attempt it. • lie
siwuld not longer trespass upon their indulgence,
out he exhorted them to persevere in the conduct
rids which they commenced, and never permit the
I tic precedent which had been made to become the
i.sw. ['Grier of No! No I.] ' ' . •
The Assembly dispersed with the gitstest order
sill propriety of conduct.

this petition was now.refitiod, that Homo oo_
be said to be shut agelist them ; it would be, in.
'deed, an act most violent against tie-People. In
one point of the present petition he portleolarly
concurred, the . prayer, for a reform; it was, is.
deed, become highly •eeseertial ; the country, de.
tired it, and the House needed it. [Hear, hear!)
The CHANCELLOR. of the. EXCHEQUER
thought ;there was much of the language in the peti.
tint) which ought to have been omitted,' and'
which was certainty calculated to produce 'very
strong emotions in the breasts of those to whom it
was addressed. There were some cases, however,.
in which the forbearance of- the House might• be•
most prudently exercised, and in his °pitiless this
was one olthem. [flear, hear !] Such was also
the case of Mr. Horne Tooke, which had been
referred to. There was no doubt there were
HOUSE OF LOItOS, Artw. 17. many expressions in the present petition, which
the House might notice, if they were cap.
The Solicitor-General for Scotland was beard at length iii tiously inclined ; he thought, however, it would
the Kostairgh case.
be the wisest plan to pass them over. ' There *as
The lunkepers' Allowance Bill, the Irish Road Bill, and
their • l't ents had a right
severol Private Bills, were brought op from the Commons, no doubt cons i u (and had
4 were read the Int tune. exercised that right) to ask a review of a rhea.'
a'111.! Gocai Militia Bill, and the L•ical Militia Completion
Gill, were reed the third time, and pa ed. sure which had pissed with a view ttra Reforna.-
ss
CIWELTY TO ANIMALS. . . They were now then only acting on a former'.
Lord Ertskiyi; pmesstest wadi ..m this subject. similar to precedent. lie hoped Gentlemen would give hini
eid which passed the L ir Is fist Ses,sion, with the addition
~•credit now for speaking his real sentiments, when
„/ . clause, araki►yt. tee iteward of toe Informer drpeu.•on
Proof of the Greeity.pritetised tvein4 oialiil4l(l.4 and wau- he said that he thought the Petition ought to be
tole. TMs Bib was read toe tii..4 time. received. • [hear, hear !) - The expression ta
...nue Private Bills sweat eis.a.,:o toeir respective stages,
• which he had most objeetibit was that in which
Mitutrued•
HOUSE OF c;U -, Araps 11. they reprobated. the derision of the House ; but .
Still he did not think even that•woeld warrant the
A Pecs-u prevented a Resurii of the Money expended in total rejection of the petition. He would, how.
or p.ia-Odice.—Ordered to lie on the table. ever, act very differently II he suppesed the petiO
Nir.,..d V Ste orivecl, that a lief of r.o: Evidence ult the Lone lion did not contain their 'real.sentiments,.
tpti 'pas
au o,,ck wit,eu hid before the llinb In e.—Agreed .
0.) toe third traling of the Highgate Areaway Bill being merely intended as a vehicle of". bn .
..,.
..,,,,i, Mr. PONSON BY didisof think" the Olden'
Mr. C. ADAMS moved, as ao Amendment, that it should
be mid on this day six tlis. contained matter which called for its rejection.
Aber m A &
r a few words frol. P. )hare, rJ. Hall, and The constituent often petitioned. (+eon eigan It an
mr.ii;artve,r, tar urigluol Illiiti.)11 Wibd carrell., and the lien Act of Parliament ; and why. should he, be. now
14a, lead a laird time and p•t-ped. , •
Condemned for petitionincagainst a decision Of a
woe al,,tion for the second reading of theillaebfristrs i
t n Bill. a converimtlionedsaed bet„ erg Sir W. Corti+, air. separate branch of the begenature. a
pl. sattl:ler, Alderman Cowie. Mr. Hiehen, Mr,•Wilipais, gu tge of the petition wasp nu doubt, in some de.
Mr. W. smith,. Sir 1. Timms, Sir C. Price._ and Mr. U. . -
6,W, and the House divided: Ayes 23 I :Noe, 07. 11 -- • -be Bill I grits reprehensible; but still that was in his opi.
was tiiereture tit. ohm, not sufficient cause for its rejection. ..
Vittif.3llNSTliFt PETITION. Mr. CANNING, though his opinion was no,
Lard COCIMA NE brought lip the Petition of posite to that of the lion. Gentleman•whe opened
the Etecturs of Westminster (fur, which, ace the the debate, yet gave him credit for the spirit and
proceedings of the W"tmenster M"etifigt in 111 pre' propriety with which he brought it forward.
ceding column), QII that day assembled in Palace. Whatever form thequestion might hereafter takes
yard, sod moved that it should he on the table. good must have been done by the dismission. IN
l'itellots. Mr. WARD could nut consent to the looking over, the Petition, it was obvious that rine
reception of what he considered a gross and glar. of its.objects was to provoke something of that
in; violation of the dignity of that /I ouse. [hew', itlikebtremark which had beep made, and that
lieur!]• 1W elsicayetweto to thip,4„rdips of the , he 'drawers up of the. paper were trying theii
F. t'tien, atil thouglit tliiritliko.fuetiwn, of the term i!
si wegettelty how close they might run to actual
" naionstitz ice," pamicul any ittdeeterods. •ne ' insult. ant it this Petition were thrown, out,
trusted tenet the Petition *u13.111."1149.444!"11Y "2' the consequence would be, that another would
itted by the !louse. 43 . • . .: ' he presented, containing insult equally stroegli
Mi. MALL was totally inaaddilsbingshe gal., but wore dextrously concealed. Then the.
kip Hbuse iiight be brought into
.the diletaina..of
Mr. CUItiVEN also objected to the language. having. received ode and rejected, another,,_ while
tithe Petitiou, but thought it ought. nut. on that both contained the lame matter: .Thp .word ' re-,
"'mg tier be to tad altogether, Perhaps the Monstrance,' of which so inach,had beett.eaid, Xi);
led wait snoop or to beef it fur the.present with. peared ru 'Slim *nut worth consOering :.,the only
drawn, ht otdirsqlrat-after it -had been subjected phrase which really seemed ohtionistue web. that,
so the revision of the Petitioners, it might be e. in *hich it wss said that the .flOtge iffeCed ftf,ill.•.,
lan presented in ion objectionable terms. dignity to any class of the, pecte)ge . Thli NASA .
Mr. LUSHINGTON shosniht *kite,: though, the true, wird trerefoie not ato be lotrininced into I
leas ought to receive 4 liefril'ins It'll they wheel Petition : notwithstanding which, Itn..flitliiiib,ts
out bound to submit to ,An insult. . . .
frnin the reasons already given, tt might be per..
Mr. WU aßa EA.Lr was.exe,cetnitgly sorry that 'bitted to lie no the table. .
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aly• objection w hatevo. had' been raised to the N. -
Mr W. SMITH was indeeed to. rise by the last.
coition of the Petition'. lie wished to have heard
the opinion of the Chancellutof the Ezehequ
'er tOrd.doswunf.• the Honourable Member who had juej
The indignity was net spoken oriutbe
us the subject before he gave his olds; but still ,
petition as arising on any act of the House. Lt.
he hail nu hesitation in saying, that though he
might be construed into the mode of. arrert, eve:
objected 'to: many of the phrases in which the
cote(' by the Serjeant at Arms, on Sir - Francis
Petition was. couched, yet' if the Hone 'on that
account rejectedßurdett. He (Mr. Smith) gave the Hopi:tumble
it, they would be led 111....,tu' a Gentleman (Mfr. Ward), who opened the debate,
user rioicot eci.
The Petition lEr%lenedtid 'IN" lStalficient,eredit for • his firmness; but the. highest.
meeting' highly 'respectable.,
lee, Anil conducted in the must orderlysow
e"Tebausec"dbill,t°' lermAit roe wisitlim and moderation was to be given to.
the two Hoye. Members. (Messrs. Ponsnnby .and.
r!r. The grutind4, 'therefore, of its repotion
VVilltbread)diho supported the detail( the Petition,
ihould not be slight. [Hearn Ao objection had .48 be —_:.... In
I ' iCCAYITCU.• the conduct of the' HoUse there
tn:n made to the intru4hictien. of .the word 6 re.
was much room for praise on the present occasion;
monstrance,' but the word itseitgonveyed' no in-
41;nity ; it was used in every petition to the They had showed themselves not afraid' of being
Crown, and such petition. was never Objected to
thougirt cowards: th 7 m hid now acted in a an.
tni that account. 'Eke Electors of Westmiester. adopted in certain late instances. It viral the
' which it was to e regretted they had not
ecru indignant At the.arrest and imprisonment of
.., .
clad
mc of their Reptesentatives.fot vihat., they consi.. of moderation and firmness that they were
4.0 .- . ' 'the connexion which ought to subiist
derd an " able, legal, and • coostittstional.negu7 thtirilirelhilluiree and the People. A for acts of
tont:" so far it was with then a matter or opi.
this kind' tweet(' go farther thins an* eierbise of
Mon, ao,l they hid a right to express their opi.
ohm :As to- the other 'point of theii complaint dowistfal authority.
—the acquittal of Mr. Pet (evil and Lord tae.. •
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that he did. not eon.
ceivethel word "'indignity" to have been appliedtietJagh, that also, as it appeared on the . Mi.
nitts_ of that House, they had a right to .ea
•• ot the proceedings of the House ; yet he wished
n).
cunt on ; and still more had they • vista to it to bo intdenittiod, that even if it had been to
applied, it could oar 'in his 'mind, have elected
tiprest their concurrence in the opinions so ahlx, theright of tbipletititin to lie'dn the tattle.
npressed by the Speaker, to the great instruc.„ the nommen on lie reception woo titer; pet and.
flea 01 the House, and. delight of the Country, and eirehe4;ithootn:diehgoe, • •
which they might have seen faithfully reported to rile
petition irm received, and ordered to lie on
the nation in the eery phrases in Which they were the :tablet • ..
uttered. With respect. to the mode of executing • the spgAK&R, rude noise of !eget-proceed:
the Speaker's warrant, after all that bad passed, ins eivierr bile, in the same of :Sir .Frafteis - Bun
he did not wonder that doubt. existed on She sub- deft. This paper differed •frdns tkaewhich lied
lye!, Wes it surprising, after the very arnbiguons, been
opinion of .the • Attorney General ? - Was it sue.- before read from the Chair, only in (as far
as ere could ascertain) theveants of -the parish iii
Pnrieg that, wishing au they did, for reformation, woo, sir Francis Burdett,
they should be indignant atthe imprisonment, and ' house steads. : -.. cus.lN,
pm) for the reicoser•
_o( übitsicat champion of The CIIASICELIAROf the I.o(Crf KIVU.
Oat reformation ? ' Wilar II ~ surprising .that wished Memei be to oonbide4Pretiously to die dii.l
the should be ineenred it the conduct of
mission eirnasecoAdserith tire entice .just - reed,'wlici.)
Gattremenc in not calling out the civil powerprivileges 's involved
thee a violation of their pe . ,
wild they had the military to meech by their in those proc_amlines I Thil air of the Speer watt
act of ~ the Hansel. atid the question might,
"de? (Hee r! hear !) Was it surprising that
the
ley should say seats in that House were bought. r the interference of ::41 external
come, whethe
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int sold like cattle he a fair, when the assertion.. airt:lturit_ _...L withian act dent the the II
*as not
Bill of flights.' '. - '
'4ll bean made even-in that House and not denied ?as '''''"n 43' the • • • , .
The Rouse indeed, admittedthe fact, bit • Mr. ItHITEREAD.thought
,
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gOdained the impulatioa they loved the tit:a- ,Ilialkalegs, .
i ,er's view of the oirt- 4? Right, 'is ei.
. ,
it'4, but Were indignant" at being called trai. f•abote iltliar. Yorke's. the . arrest , vas as ilg.t‘
lirs, 1 [throe 'hear!) The sabstance of the dose withotit the House, and' it Irotc:tel-coitrse,
Pention then' could not be objected to, and films day other act"( any other
.491 y men.
horly it ought not "to be rejected on *epeeist
vikt-cgAricatit.ow.,*,,Aott,Ectua
T'nerdy of the' terms in which it war, conveyed, opkihjetit :
hs
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t might, hereafter, bea cause for pet aceeding , IifVPQ ;.,44; fp.ma Fpr,.
_*.ithisora of tko
to the Prayer of the petition, but it could be, nu Sareerki!ese • r , Jilted 0/51Pos
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• Rith .thnje,:
pound fur refusing it leave to lie on the table. The ,ealiliel r,41. r , . wing5....,,10r Are 1001,
bl'elker had, bit a former. odcailon IA ti, ethic* 04 'chg. • pgfripall4-491 44. AN". :441.
1 magn cen y
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Hoye ought- -tset #B. • ,•;914411104/164'104)144
throw
° open to the petifigiref the piugitypiliiiit-o Pine tilir
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IMPERIAL P RGI E NT.

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1 Mr. NDAS moved • tor' lite iroduttion of
, tevetorPapterl connected wittethe'Reteottis of the
riladia.Oonspany. , . .
. . • , MR. HUNT.
Mr. CALCRAFT rose, in perivance of the
notice vrbieft lieled.given• dative to Mt: Hunt's
eapalsioe. He..wist Proceeding. :to *state his rea-
sons, when was iuterro pod by, .
~ . . . . .
• The SPEAKER, who desired to knew from
the Serjeant at Arms whether ,the order of the
Elouse on Mr. Hunt had been serred.'•
[The Messenger who had beets' sent With the
order was thencalled to the Bar. But on his ap.
pearing nut to have made a sufficiently accurate
enquiry for Mr. Hunt's residence, it was sug-
gested' to Mr. Caldron thit it would be advisable
to defer his Motion till sic* enquiry w'as made.]
Mr. CALCRAn mentioned that Mr.-nerd's
wife told the Messenger that she had just received
a letter from her husband', dated from Lisbon.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
was of opinion; thin in so serious a charge, no
step of. formality should be omitted. It was pro. '
per that the notice should be served and all search .
made. . :, •
Mr. CALCRAFT was willing to postpone his
motion till after the recess, but in what he had
done be had been guided by the Chair.
The SPEAKER informed • the Hon. Member,
that he: had been up to that tionsperfectly regu.
tar. The Boole could now go do farther till
search was made; but if it could be ascertained
that Mr. Hunt had been in the country when this
,roeeeding commenced, and afterwards left it, this
onduct would be a sufficient ground for their fur.
ther proceeding. e 41, sw..-o.e. • - •
' Mr. CALCKAFT then Axed sois :the Thursday
after after the recess fur his motiOiti.• * , '
LORD CllATlLtibi. . • •
-Ms': 'WHIT BitEA a • wished . to ask the-Chan.
;eller of the Exchegoer oistsquestien.. The matter ,
of his gneatiep vres avetreoge middoubtfel to him...
self, that h'e alnivistmiked. it now only to have it
denied. 'Lord Chatham, as the 'nation ha'd.beert—
given to understand, had• resigned his place about
.twn months ago; but it was whispered that the re.
sigualion was a 'feint; that he still held the office
of MasteuGetteralpf the Ordnance; that he still
possessed- the patronage ; and moreover that be'
still condescended to receive the salary. Was this
monstrous Story erne? Ccitild-it. be true? HeIMV.
Whitbread:). was anxious, abeoluteli,anaious, for
the creditottba.Ministry, to have it aesererettin.
the negative.
.... . ..
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEtittift"
stated, that Lord*Chatham stilt betd his 'Place.
Till his patent was revoked, it was his duly to re.
tisk? it.; -ape} the patent was not to. beteveked in
pl.tccs so circurnstaapcd, until the appointment of
a successor." :Pio, weighty buittiess which' occa.
• pied Governtnent might account for tharsuccessor'a
ant having -beets appointed 1. bur 'Lind . Cliathent
did not issiat at slut inot. • , , ' ....... '- •
'Art W.ll L 1784.03). waa aatonis,hed. at Alsiailis.,
ecovery.., %hail . waa *this gross. deluaion to'
.he.
OrtictisU'On' the peilple of England t'Ainitii re..
'signed hitt Pitteic.ttetholLiag (shis4at-'tittestater..
eat' of Ministers)t: be Ass witherevt cfroak-the.
pahlk9ityAt the,eitellisSC bid Misr .nsS.thlLlC-
cOmp.lialtpti ? By a vile dnsion. For,vihei? the
Minlitet gate the country •to • initAtitisa. that.
'Lord ChathislS liar Mired; - the. etifstralT wit
the truth: The ,Minister had .not- been -Srithout,l
;opportunities of clearing
.1111 this .point ; for on
being asked if, thia place, was filled up, his, con.,
Rant ansWer Waal thatOovernment intendediefal'
it .np-oi, soon at dosiible, thereby plainly inti-
mating:that it was viceot. Was this- to be abet.
'tete*, under.-the pretext of a patent place?. •The
question had not been whether.4.erd.Chathans was
''aCabinet Minister' but whether lie .Was Master-.
General of the 'Ordnance. "If his' rernevat had
not - beets perfectly understood; an uddrew would"
have been moved to displace him.; There was one
more question, that he only.required, to havkhis.,
full apPetite for wonders satisfied. .Did Lord
Chatham Continue to receive his Salary ?
The CHANCELLOR of. the EXCHEQUER
professed thaehe could not 'be Certain on the point,
as it 'vas not within his .effiee.-
• Mr. A. COOPER. 014444, tAat .he had re.
ctirmiliti salary. UP: to the last quarter. .
Mi. AV4MITH•Moved the briber of the Day;
toritiVß. tiport: WAIF tvidenee bittire the Cour:.
.4i4W-Asa *.l.lothisa: Wet Ducks. • -
, Spung_fyst,totativion.lookeplace on the subject 10.
JiWien Mr. Sluillt; Mvi.ll; utntier, and the Chau.
'cell ot, or ate lit:help' er, Wk.). ea Preitied himself, as
.n ados... aviverottniiadverle to` Sanctianivig
.the yeatatt pitifitieed. '• • • ' ." :'.. •
After Fern* 4rthOtgibiusgion,its which' Mr. W.
Mr. llihkifitm'sno Mr. Wilbetfaree, con-
tended that the atikjiis ihould go to a: Committee,
and Mr. Msrryat ittiollki *that the parties claim.
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log compensation had already been liberally cos.
masted, *--- /'- .%.;...f:il. Pal. e 4 1 .
. The SPEAKER felt
.it,neopeenry ft, Once, that,
ai the object of the massiere wit to atts3a larger
•Comitensatien than the 'llect.elsffittittg affirmed, the
consent of iheCrown erite.netessery. . It was welt
knows that if thin* .itipt. original. applicatioa
this;,*
by Petition, far .e.
.. 4:grapt, no step c odd be
taken Without the • . lofhis Majesty. As this
was an application fbr a further eitersiion of'tho
"original compensation, and had not such consent,
~1t must be' obvious that such defect was fatal to
the mesaure. If it was a declaratory actor as act
to explain hnd amend the former acts it [night be
entertained';, but proceeding to 'an extension of a
former grant, without. petition consented -to by
the Crown, it would have-the effect of giving the
go.by to the fointi of Parliament, and the nem.
sity of ..tl'
Leitoskkof ,his,llthjestit and .was Roe
vitiated:' Je,'7'4* ' .
After s fevelittinis frbet Mr. • NT.' t MITH, ex-
:resting a hope that Abe fate of thii measure
should net -prevent:Also parties from miming for..
ward again with -a declaratory act, and from Mrti
••Barham and thltliancellor of the.. Exchequer, theli
rerrettion wU lint and negatived withaut a—divisroa.
iIie.ANCELtO
.:' R of the EXtfiEctogß.
' • en
. gawp %odes that he -"thestid tn-Morrow inoVei for
i...ltaye to bring in a •mku to mike .thootfice of-Sur.[

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