The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-11-06 00:00:00

114-1 E STATESAIAN.

on, to draw a comparion between the evidence of Dr
moat and Majocchi, and the testimony given by Flynn
and -HoWnam, they had been told they were all on a
level, but he wished to state, that some distinction
should be made between persons who could not recollect
what actually did exist, and those who remembered

what never did exist. lie now came to consider
the character of the measure. And he was far from
thinking that their Lordships may not consider it at
this period in all its bearings and operations. He was pre-
pared, to contend not only that they may, but that they
ought so to do as men, as legislators, and as patriots. The
Noble Earl opposite (Lord Liverpool) had spoken
of this Bill of Pains and Penalties, and was sup-
ported in the same opinion by a Noble Lord on the
cross bench, (Lord Redsdale,) and asked *hat was it
after all but a common divorce cause? The Learnid
persons who had sat there forthe purpose of directing
their Lordship's course, as far as was practicable, ac-
cording to legal forms, had advised the appointment of
a Committee to search their Lordships journals—for
what ? For divorce causes ? No. For Bills of Pains
and Penalties.—(Hear, hear, bear !)--They went
further and advised that Dills of Divorce should be
excluded from that search. (Hear, hear.) And no* the
Noble Earl :lading that all the weight of a Bill or Pains
and Penalties was bearing upon the head of an Illus-
trious Individual, turned round to say, "this was not
a Bill of Pains and Penalties, hut of divorce."—
The Noble Marquis theu explained the difference be-
tween the two measures, and contended that her Ma-
jesty was enduring the hardships of one, without hay-
jug experienced the advanteces of the other. A Bill
of yains and Penalties it was and must be. Distin-
ruisl►ed only fruu► all other hills of Pains and Penal-
ties by this--that its consequences would be of a more
dreadful nature to the illustrious individual against
whom it was to operate. 'The measure itself was most
unpopular. Unpopular not only amongst the rabble
as a Noble Lord had gtatrd—amongst that rabble who
t could not understand the nature of such a measure—

but unpopular amongst that respectable class of the
co tttttt unity whose well regulated minds and opinions
formed the standard of the moral character of the
country. The generation it' which they lived, bad the
good fortune to be instructed by the greatest non upon
these subjects. There were few who heard him then
who had not possessed the advantages of being in-
structed in their youth by the writings of Blackstone
and Paley. By Blackstone on the laws and constitu-
tion of the country, and by Paley on the doctrines of
morality. If then they found Blackstone condemning
the very 'suture of such proceedings, and if they found
Paley holding out stills of Pains and Penalties as meat
sures always to be avoided, as anomalies hardly ever
taking plate without being attended with the worst of
consequences to morality, they ought to look at the
effect which they were likely to produce. They
were bound as legislator: to consider the effect If hich
this case would have upon the people for whom
they legislated. It remold not be sufficiently
im-
pressed upon their Lordships' minds that they were
alma to pass a Itw, and not a sentence ;—that
there was a supposed expediency and public utility
in passing this law and that, like all other laws.
it would have to find its own way and profs it/
own utility. Public opinion never would be satisfied
that it was either founded upon expediency or calcu-
lated to produce utility. It was a most violent appli-
cation of a most violent measure, founded only upon
presumption. Upon the presumption that live years
ago, the Princess of Wales was reposing, in the
middle of the day, under an awning with Bergami, in
a situation where adultery might have been com-
mitted ; and, arising out of that supposed adultery,
public scandal eli.lionoar had been brought upon
this country. Public scandal in the eyes of whom ?
In the eyes of tiargetilo and Paturzo.—(Hear.)—They
were the representatives c f Rierope,(llear and laughing.)
--They were to j lest i fy the pompous preamble of the Bill
in whirls the Princess of Wales WAS declared to have scan-
tiali zed and dishonoured this country in the eyes of the
world. Anti when it came to be proved in whose eyes,tHey
could get no eyes, no persons but liargnilo and Paturro.
(Laugleing.)---Rven they had consented to keep this
sense of dishonour and degradation to themselves until
they came before the Milan Commission. The Milan
Commission then brought it to the Bar °fillet House, and
thus it was published to the world. If in six months
after the voyage, any one had asked the virtuosi, mo-
dest Captain, or this puling mate, what, in their opinion,
had most degraded the character of the English nation,
in the conduct of the Princess, they would have said,
I". her not giving so large a burro pinto as they
Wspeeted."--(Lood and continued laughing.)---
4 perseverance in this measure would afford an op-
portunity for any person, whether actuated by a good, a
had, or a mean motive to prefer similar charges against
wiser illustrious individuals who had no more right to
*the succession than her Majesty ; for their Lordships
ironld not forget, that all the members of the Royal Fe-
linity derived their right of succession from the Act of
Settlement. I f clearers of such a nature werebrougbt
from a bad motive, it would not be difficult to snpport
them by evidence, for Mltjocchi's, and Sacchi's, and
Denton'', were to be found in eve ry age, and every coun-
ire. He begged their Lordships to look at the peeve-
dent they were called upon to establish. They were
asked to pronounce that her Majesty bad three years
ago conductoLheiself in ',manner, disgraceful to
the country, and that lest she should continue in sash
couilnet, it would be dangerous to suffer her to sit on
the Throne-. If their Lordships once did thie--if
they once established this precedent, the hionor•
shy •of thii' toontry would become elective•se.
(Here there *were some confused murmur, hi
the House). They might startle at the term hot heti
would repeat it, that if they established this preeeallit
there was as end to the hereditary monarchy of this
osaatry. An enquiry into the personal conduct ist
fib Bowl:reign anti dethronement upon such an impiry,
lotaille to fact, the abolition of hereditary, aaii the,
itilethotiou of elective: oiewarchy. hleortlitaty
AttTair is:as handed. Ojes.prisciples exclusive of Mal '
a proceeding ud, pesos!. That species of mots:
sell ptesoseithe passeshl viaduct of the Soveselfs
Ulf frehfettly loiseerial. It sapwood that her was
100 sjitti4l4lolll /VI ..(.guards; and by the resPIPNMPI".
leis et his 'Mews that his own possess!' weadatt
could not poadhly ban a dangerous Whew& spas
society, Love sight he world say, of *it pttstlple,

and their Lordships would desti
of hereditary niooachy. Conlii
by any one that any circustatin
justify their encountering such
mentioned ? He would
ships a very little longer.
Nob), Lords who did not wit
and yet flattered themselves that
second reading they would be abl
future stage. Each looked with
own favourite means of swept
which he had lironelit himself.
if 'hay adopted tills effspring of
men,. they might disfigure it afterward,
to as to snake it in erect their ow:-
assisted at the birth of this measure.
happy to alter 1 its funeral.—(A
imprat icab!e he assured them. were,
expedient.. If their Lordships looked
various means ss bids had been sug,
mentors., after a second reading t
them impracticable and visionary.
Lords, the suggrstors of these expedi
by altering- the Preamlite of
would be avi•omplished. But
amble would not alleviate
if those Noble Lords thought that
Ffivort-e Clause worilii be an all'
them that it was nut only an
aggravation of the ptsnishutent.-
I t would be an incunsistency by
jetty was pollntcd, was guilty
conduct, and yet that she was
the wife of tit* King. W hat
the Queen, and what the advantal
such a measure ? The state won
from her situation as Queen, and
with all the liabilities, and none e.
a wile. Sbe would not have the voter]
wife, and she would be exposed
with which a King of England
wife. In fact, thus altering the
declare the guilt leer, and yet '
went. This would he the ex'
'Lordships, in their great wisdi
he trusted that a very slight
would induce them to pause befoi
measure which would he produt
chief, and would necessarily form
dent hereafter. A very few hour
ther their Lordships would,
nience of this measure lying before
the obvious mischiefs attendin
elate it Was a part of our Constit
',al conduct of the sovereign
dethronement. Against such
his decided protest, and upon
as well as those he had 'tread:
pose the present Bill.
Lord MANNERS explained.
part of the speech of the Noble
belief that he had mit-stated If
ship .red. the &Metre .6T
cantlese he had given her Majesi
expresled his sorrow that any
had trils.stated the evidence.
The Mistiness of LANSINY
had no wish to cast an impittat
and hoped be knew him better
slide he would intentionally do
The F.arl of LIVERPOOL
planation. His argument was,
sere was not different in effect'
The Earl ef LAUDER DA
his Lordship ptoeeeded to ans'
some of the Noble LUrds who
was interrupted by
Earl UREY, who called his
The Noble Earl, lie conceived,
second speech.
The Earl of LAI:PERI/AUK
in order, and proceeded at some
confusion cussed, and the
' tided that the Noble Earl wa•
Yeud explanation. The Earl
I
I down. •

A number of Peers rose at or
noise took place from the desir
Peer that he should be heard
The LORD CHANCELLOi
favour of
The Duke of NORTHUMBI
the gallery. Ile declared that
consideration of all the circemstances.
to say, tbat in his opinion, the
was folly proved, and he therefore
nnless so►ne minor course
which her pernicious influence
this " chaste and moral rountr

DR CRY-LANE
The Beggar's Opera was per'
on Satardsy, in a style which
tication to the lovers of the
general observation, however,
A Lady made a first appeam
Polls, and; as 'we art inclined
dissalm her witiolt another r
lint to appear again. slits Pof
PM, this eveniog, Madame V
Mereeptli ; and whether. she
point of view by nodi•rtakinic.
loggia to be the'best jodge. tertsil
had ever beett inclined to. raise
tare, the enchantmeat of her
once. have Wend the spirit of
never more delighted. than wit
Ting the differmK airs allotted
tretly what ire • had always ~
!toned melodies Of the composer,
the ttioderectraslrformed of the
sower leadingß pubic vitlie!p b,
sterling musk- is etwithietly ilesegaihsle
the ttoevt,.4lmperfe,r, 404. -
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illnesiontioliihily fell 'cit dews
mitwaiio.sed the prices of good
melee poen. bet that 4 inferior
Hat Illaastay.—The above IP
Is bet steatite price..!--Strew

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droy the main principle
3 it be s.iid ur supposed I
Mures whatever could
itch a risk as he had
trouble their Lord-
. There were many
wish this Bill to pass,
hat by sending it to a
able to get rid of it in a
h a parent's eye on his i #
e from the difficulty in
Some again thought
f the wisdom of Govern:-
terwards as they pleased,
wn ; and others who had
sure, ttould now be eery
t laugh.) But rain and
erre all their subordinate
ooked attentively at the
uggested of cscal.ing this
r they would timid all of
y. Perhaps those Noble
txpedients, thonght,
rf the Pill, the object
an alter-lion of the Pre
the punishment, and
hat the sittikinr out the
Ileeiation, lie would tcli
n inconsistency- but an
.—(rear, hear,
y declaring that her Ma,
of the motet dirgesting
I not unworthy of being
was the consolation to
image to the country by r
would Lave removed bur
Id she nenid yet retnaits
ne of the advantages of
the protection tine to a
osed to all the severity
nJ caa legally visit his
le preamble would be to
t m iii, t a greater punish-
rpedictit to whit+ their
dune, would resort ; and
lit degree of reflection
fore they derided upon a
duetire of preset,t mis-
orm a dangerous prece-
ionrs would tletiJe wirer
with all the iiiconve-
before them, and with aU
ig such a precedent, tie- ;
stitntion, that the pers.-
afforded a ground for
a principle he entered
n that view of the case. .
dy stated, he should op- •
. - •
J. Ile conceived that a
ble Marquess implied a
the et idence., . His Lard-
.l
Craven respeetirg the
*sty, and the Nt,ble Lord
ty one should suppose he
tOWNE explained. He
mince on the Noble Lord, #
o• than to suppose it roe- •
o so. 1
.., said a few words in ex-
as, that the pa cscitt mea-
t from a Divorce Bill.
,LE rose to explain. but •
nswer the arguments of •
had preceded him. He ri
its Lordship to Order.—
was, in fact, making a •
LE contended that he was
ume length, when mush
Lord Chancellor de-
'as going " a be-
I of Lauderdale then sat 4,
once to spe%, and much
tire of the friends of each
I.
JR at length decided in
BELAND who spoke from
it after the most impartial
nstances, he was compelled
he ease against the Queen
erefore should.support the •
le could be suggested by
'e might be remote-I front -
try."
TIIKATRE.
wrformed at this Theatre
I I t
afforded the highest grati-
musical drama. To this
r. there is one exception.
anee in the character of
dto be charitable, we win :411
word, saving. that she. is
'ace., takes her place as
was the Captain 4
e suffers in any particular 4 4.
ng such a character, she
eirtain we are, that if we
se an objection of that na-
rr sweet .sounds would, at
of dissatisfaction. .114 were
Ai the styk in which she
dto the part. It was per-
Wished. Tire simple and
mune!, uphattliwilleig with
the errentplatetl fancies of
bf oar; Toot old •
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rase yesterday.
above rotrikt
rattle
good Meat ,insi
last r
krior was lower in prce.
r Market remains the SLIM
r and Cloter no alteration.
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