The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-02-12 00:00:00

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biome? o that
eat asidetiftten its ANT.' ttt
• Hes. Iliewebeee geed *a-
mbit* it bwed: to NW.*
loopy?—{least) With theme
water of the Hes. Meaberll:
reed that it would be wadi►
e to fellow him through his
teat himself with ea et two
epriety of brining forward
t time. If the views of the
mai were dean is the eh-
tavola provokiag a dela,
a thus maturely.— (Mar.)
Nieto alive it a decisive seep
paper dneemeats fres the
spew the table, hemightat
is oat wey •f made eland-
could lot transfer that deep
e of the *abject which he pew
ow at lout a glimmering of
e. The Hoe. Member, how-
oper to do so. and. aster each
utrous,it was coatrary to cow
otrary to the usages ef Pallet-
ise to go with hin, in his plass.
iy pledged to briar this eh-
he was sot so unreasonable so
devotion without prodaim she
did set feel called apes wow
raise mune he ahead take
es before the Howse, be Who'd
I that the basis ef it wads' he
ended ecale.—(Hear, hear.) is
a the boon by the Hossesalle
he bad bees goilty of great es.
tamest. Not, contest wit► es-
shish his Majesty's Hearwimmt
;height proper to re kafiY. sad
he Home et catedece Atte:
three yam .f the.
that the expeeclitur%l4loew'
wily salaried. He aimed was
looming present dialitallbetom-
w with repreatroble hams led
ra, for the imuwase azaleas
that allied upon to imam. and
with sash marked stmeem.....
he tans* M i oilmen with monswees
m hie own side—(Hear.).take by the voice of the satles.l
Numerous allesioas bad ban
of the Committee of Flusoce.
said to have bees entirely Is
. Wu this fair thus to toast,
linisten, soon of the most lade-
le Haase? He (Lord L.) could
these Gestlemen had Nether
he public good. Hat it was al-
e time, to be complaining if a-
t of as u idable state of M 4
naplaints were made that, doe
were incurred without peeper
he Hoe. Member series. is am&
sort ? Did he mean to myelitis
have waited for an estimate be.
means to enable the Daiwa Wal-
lis position at Torres Vedas?—
most important step was set to be
f the obstroctioe which 'Metal
? Why did he not, at the
leas which he was sow urging ?
I of the wanton elope's, incurred
.y was called epos to pot itself la
'paint the invader; hat why did
e were fortifying Dover. aid the
ogne ? The fortifications of the
and yet they received no oppo-
;rawford, and still less from Mr.
—ls fact, all the measeros theS
DM the HOD. Member's side of the
sten were now reproached with
rere the necemary consequence of
ed the Hon. Member, when nest
a charge, to qualify it a little.
to the cireemstahee that four
red expenses" of which he ma-
to the public burdens by Mr.
—Let him recollect that they were
11014" which the administration of
led upon the country ; and if it
ego of currency was one cause of
that that change was materially
ties of 4,004.1.0n0/. to the other
He complaitted that the taxes
s during the war, bet in atima-
et, the Hos. Member must have
o the expenee ~f collecting them.
did no: apply to the war taxes.
1 said tint be bad calculated both
e.

LONDONDERRY raid be met
mount of the tines, for since the
1110,004) hal bees taken utf. This
id a relief 'chicle no other country
rso severe s struggle. He meo-
ws merely to expose the PS iggera-
ID. Mensher dealt. This seaggera-
.Thout Ina seeds In referring to
I hronr, iu hich, arot.nv utlsei

Up to this time, a romiissess was charitable to
shins; for he (Lord L.) took the earliest opportualty
of sating the muse which Ministers Intsetled taking.
Ito Saud dons aid he feasted oar. that the Reason
whisk he would tall upon the Howe M•• 400. would
sot pledge say ladividosi as so say future violin;
which he might entertain. Sot. is his view of the
composition sow mods. Members maid be pledged
a particular coarse g and. as ths judgment they werS
able to form sow would b. secomrily
,imperfose. be
should. in jostle. to himself and the House. derail?"'
is a pegmatite. He should meet it. therefore, by
malt. tin previous question. This mit ;aid
simply romance apes the atimelynanser is Whisk
it was istrodased. without prejudicing its merit. The
Hos. limber tailed upon Parliament, to retrace al is
stops. aid God forbid that he should ever oppose
prisolpie of wrist's; bat whoa Parlisisecticed
sofiteso which hod bees sanctioned by-tho-praedee off
passim was sot to b. &vista 'bat
gibireVaissilspes the sane *bowleg of the Hos. Mast
his. Re deptoestod all hasty and anadvist.idnisises
epos so vital a ratios. And as to the alleged is.
comity which the Hos. Member stated of socintishisg
moralists or Isessoces mud doors—if be knew this
Howe eight. these ettaldendoss would have so of-
fset spa its that Wank' be swayed Is the disdain
lake duty oily by easideradoss of attesting to . the
bat interests of the country. sad a strict adhersonts
the Ostlers of eternal jatle..—(Hear. hose.)-1
The Woe. might calculate aro effectual relief being i
Om to the slistressod agricultural interest. Than-
es. oaten of the proposed remedy he (the Maras if
Loodosit try) was Walled epos to state. if=
Ulmer. say. that it !raid sot be exactly
the Hon. and Liana Oentlesmo rettomostsdati. gel
*resist with hiss that his redaction of tussles was
tb• most effectual way of giving relief. he (Wit Loio
iesierry) world propose a piss calculated to gin a-
lief is am& collateral points.—(Hear.)-!.Thia was
all he could say at present, bat to entreat heir ►lass
mon is detail. would oblige him (Lord )
-se apes. his views..• Ose thing above all others he
wished so impress on the Hons., sod that was. to-7
poise. This was his "attn, and so It sisoold
the Resemble and Latent Oestlossa", itaisad
roper eaffdese• in his own plan. Sat it its im-
possible to view the proposition of to-night is soy
other view than es a repetition .f what had bees doss
se Unser osonsious, whoa. before Mialsters could Oh
slay bring the question before the House, as .ppo-
tesity was takes of midst as sodas aid uswarraffi.
ad attack upon than. and of withdrawing from"
as onsfolesee of that BOOM Sot did Ministers
usete this *mama at the basis of the 'Resat rlei
iiod's same ! 14 Mishotors at isms be biar4-44tboa
ud thowsslveo—a& ifi il!peaw.:4 •Ki
hood sowortby of their WI ere
heiliaml lbapabgaisime&isafe. sekttalt *Mk% *
' • and Learned Member had gained It ; the" let

%bees be keeled with all the comkemteas of such a
'lsm. and let the Hoe. sad LeartedOsat. be ibilseted tato
eU the responsibility of the admiaistration of the
soestry..--(Hear.)—Tho Hos. and Learned Gentleman
bad shown, by his conduct to-night, that be was fitted
foe such • situation. He was already assuming all the
authority of • leader, for he called upon the Haste
to arrive at conclusions blindly, without proper dace-
meets. end epee his own showing. From the sample
of coefldence with which he drew inferences to tight.
from his visionary and imperfect premises, the Hesse
might judge of the dictatorial tone that be would as-
sent when backed by the aid of those official helps
which his new ',Statism would place within-his grasp.
—{Hear.)—Possessing. as he flattered himself be did.
the confidence of this House, be would be
whoa so that confidence was joined the iolloenco of
pilaw He (Lord L.), however, hoped the Hoes*
wield appreciate the reel motives from which this ma
den was made. Bat though calculated by imposieg
epee them to draw the House with a premature de-
claration of its opinion. it bad not the merit of origin,
ality. The same contrivance had. on sundry orma
sions, before been resorted to by en Hon. Member, who
was now sitting behind the Hon. tad Learned Gentle-
man. It was amongst the stale tactics of the Hon.
Member for Aberdeen, (Mr. Hume.) Under what cir-
cumstances the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr.
Brougham) upon this occasion. thought proper to
take it up, he (Lord L.) would not say, but be
was rather inclined to think, from the great seal
which that Learned Gentleman displayed in the Cause
that be was aspiring to the elevated situation which
hitherto was supposed to belong to another—(A
langh)—Perhaps it was • joint Concern. Or that there
was an usderstantling that the Honourable, and Learn-
ed Gentleman (Mr. Brougham) should be now Lord
of the ascendant, aid that the Hon. bliftber for Aber-
deen (Mr. Hume) would do the Istitititile for him
whilst he was upon Circuita—(hicanthitor)—Bot he
(Lord L.) could tell those two Hon. Gebtlenon that
the same tontrivatice, if they piqued themselves upon
it, had been resorted to by a Right Hou. °oedemas
(Mr. Tierney) upon occasions which he could 0111.01
He had no difficulty in saying however, that on es
occasion was it ever introduced when its effects wen
likely to be more pernicious than eh* present. It
was mach to be regretted that this viridian should he
treated as a party question, it being: one of all others,
that required a union of all parties.—(ifour.)—Hlll
wished the Hon. and Learned °oedemas to wader-
stand that a British Parliament was superior to rebuke.
and they were to be led by sound argument and
fair dealing alone. With these views .f the ease,
he should conclude by moving the previous question.
—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CALCRAFT complained that the Noble Lords
in his aexiety to defend himself and his colleagues,
bad lust sight of the question before the house. The
Noble Lord seemed w think that if he lost-his place.
it would be • greater misfortuee tp the than
oven the unparalleled din nailer tOlich it was ami
ilibellfinst.—(Hear.) Bat 'did peened present state
Of Ireland was the criterion by wider the tines* could
.edge of the immense benefits'whiell•dos Noble Lord's
I.lministration had bestowed upon this country. It

Plarr' - gave -
of the Noble Lord's devotion to the cause of his coun-
try? What plan did he bring forward to ameliorate
4tehmadition--what scheme of policy to forward its
imgouvement ? None. In the affection of the Noble
Lord his country bad not found a friend ; in his power
It had not fosnd a protector. The retrospect of hie
life could-mot be agreeable to hint. The
dfMle Lord should regret that. thongh•lo hid bees
Awaits,' yews in power, the name of his estantry was
sever mesticoped but in connection with convulsion sod

bloodshed.-.(Hear.) The Hon. Member the 'l'o.l
Otedid to vindicate the policy of Mr. Windham. Mr.
Windham istooded that the haltpay should be given*
'bsly to seek persons as enlisted ter short periods of
service ; hat the Admisistration which saseeeded Ma
eztespled the half pay to all Olken of the army. Navy.
-Alaihrrw. Ii therefore, the edema'

It was sots - pima
/. Wiadbees which broeght on the "dead
4;000,0001., but the extesslen of it by Ith.
He concluded by saying that the silenie
the Noble Lord upon any rednetieu Of hustles%
oongkd with the declaration of the Right Heaurablo
else bealkellor of the Riebecter on a former Rights
isiwitholl him to think that his Majesty's Milisters la-
, so real relief, and he therefore thoight that
the t made* should be supporttd.—(Hear.)
A MEMBER on the Ministerial side of the
Haase, whose name we did not know, spoke against
the motion.
'Mr. RICARDO in a low tone of voice, catered hits
as explanation of au opinion which be hid Oyu epos
a' former occasion with regard to taxation. He sever
-said that tuition was a bends. although be difetoi
from those who attributed all the distresses to the
existeace of taxation. He was ofopinion that, without
any taxes, a country might be reduced to the !sloe
state.—(Hear.)—Bat if it was true that taxes were
beneficial to the osenafactorer. because 'span 'Hie
amount of the taxes he coold charge a profit is the
gossamer, se it was also with regard to the Aria&
arise. It appeared to him that in one rase as wll ea
the other the tax could be shifted to the consumer. A
redaction. therefore, of taxes, would not be a relief 4
the Agrieelturist. Tho change io the tweet', bad
lOWA leas share in prodeeleg•the present iiietruethity
feu imagined. The trite teases of that distress true
two abundant harvests, an unusual importation of um.
fres Ireland, and a state of things prodoced by the in-
fidelities of the war. The foodisolder was UK
leg more than his due. be had made large advattees:
shich the landholder was liable to be salted epos at'
the time to make. He concluded by saying. tbstt epos
some future occasion, be would take an opportasity of
• dog why he thought the allusion to thisehattseef
teeny had been overstated, aad ht ivw4
01,prit measures war, Wigs, who
FVs. • Ilk of.,)1819 would operate as
• _of austemlities thou 'Spar essato-419416;...
. 1111(bUGHAM explained.
Mr. W. PEEL supported the previous giesdeet. .
The question was now loudly called for. end sift&
gees were about to withdraw, when
Mr. BROUGHAM row In reply. He began by hi.
lading to what fell from the Noble Lord respecting the
support which be (Mr. B.), was supposed to beep
given to those measures of Mr. Windham. out ef
which the p t increased expenses of the &rimy
were said to have arisen. Now, the fact was, that so
fathom his baying supported the measures of Mr.
Witsdhans, be had never exchanged words with
that Gentleman, and bad sat with him silly for us
short Session iu that House. It was impossible. there-
fore, be could have supported measures in the year
1803, seven long years 'before he had the honour of a
seat in that House. The expenses attending kr:
Windham's plan amounted to 4 millions. and that sem.
with the ad.lition of 700,0001. embraced the whole of
the pensions, including the Chelsea Eqablishmente
The expenses of the Military Establishomet, however.
bad not been reduced since the termination of the war:
and he wished the Members of that House to consider
what a very different situation the country would sow
be In, if they had at the cud of the war compelled the
Ministers to make redactions :in that expense. He
wished them well to consider the step that was sow
proposed to be taken. The Noble Lord had moved
the previous question, on the ground that by
igreeing to the same, Gentle Men would not pledge
themselves to vote against his (Mr. B.'s) tnntioo—
but might vote in favour of it on Friday evening, if
they thought proper. But Gentlemen were not to
*appose from such a course of proceeding as this, that
det Noble Lord would support his proposition, for he
would do any thing sooner than vote in f of a re-
duction of taxes.—(Hear, hear.)—The Noble Lord
would use every artifice in his power to evade a ques-
tion of that kind, sometimes by throwing out his jokes,
sometimes by wheedling, and at other times by threats.
The Noble Lori had even given a sort of intimates
that he would resign, if his plans for the continuities
of taxation were not acceded to. This was the kind of
whip he aged on all occasions, while the country woo
suffering under the lash. In short, his object, send
that of his colleagues, was to put off the evil day to
lug as he could. He knew there were Gendarme iti
that house to whom the threat of the Noble Lord totedri,
if carried into effect, would be a wafted the greatalt
consequence. although it would be of no consequace se
the country ; and he (Mr.B ) coold notexpect to have the
votes of those Gentlemen on the present occepior
however great the sufferings of the people telglitlbel
by refusing to agree with his motion. This flitch,
however, he would say, that every Member wise voted
against him that sighs. must either believe that the
Noble Lord would propose a large reduction of taxes
on Friday night, or he held himself up as an.eoemy,
and au effectual enemy, to any reduction of taxation.
The qdestion was then loudly called for. and the
House divided, when the numbers were—
For dm previous question, 214—Against it 108—
Majoritragainst Mr. avoigbam's motion, 104.
A; Eleven o'clock the Hour adjureed.

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has hoes conteteld.
Mr. Junin BATLIT leamoillarely proceeded' to 'id-
dross him. The pohlicaties which the defeatist 104
!MM-trill ealliehted ll' a " high *degree' to probatediaalfeedeo, If sot tooaelle dor parties who might
rood it WIWI -.Animists' widen& It ins published
Ist a low expose. within the roach almost of the poor-
MI as/ had; toy the lastramoseatity of thisief odept.
hoes eireolated is a miry ' pepsins tows. fillod wit`
' mainfactories. If it lodexcited, ploy en to. adbt /Of
loam's, mblit woald have item •Ms telloctipot teN4
he saw the minty which he had assisted io 1:101/4
the•otiegolited cif an his family. ' After'
lON repave ',dicta. and ebserviag: that :a dotal
' Grille ',tight to base awaltoped the Pefiredeet!el
elats shave iodated Mn to tied lb* shillilO.
ciammtelsast it ear berates before he' int .to
sill it. the Lensed Jodie pineeded natty la :at.%
lowiag terms :—" Yea haw mated la ypor • .-
din the indictees* she Warned* .jese prMeepare ' .. .
,late tklo Cepet.. AA. k *A; Jtave twee Weil mid
:patdill,mid flptitseif hump i sod certlillstit
might time foellW(ried.. Onto?
the Pedullikr)iri ' „ ;. 40 484/147 IMP
'broogit it Wore i iteepitol leVithar. li 'Maio-
Ilona arise remonlatikeeek pea beau lies pat
to thikpopeate of natio, Is* to tecein oar jaitgoteol.
4„ ksee (sk!t this Iss eoaierftlot
,uskw-
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IMMO 'anted ii -your' brigidar iiMith. ttit fte-
rten to y.er OW potegiroplit appeared is 'this "Isewe-
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swittipardatjent4-timi- ' thiF Coln *alt he
4,1114 Ppm* tatitslt .an 1,411011nel galley of itleou-
lath% paperveakelateCts bias aislee who are to try
the issue, they. wAr taco a punishment adequate 1p
the offesci, sod .saffseast to put it down. And if the
Cavtirt 'could hiis thought that any 'jury might have
imbed it i different conclusion than that which thi
trio ry * this -ease drew. they would have granted •
tcial, even though it was not asked of than.
made no ground sf the application before
he ; eel u doubt it was not le
.made, hecaste ale
lifartisiniinsel saw tit no jury, esercieleg a fay
Jodrell* on the case; could hive given a 'different
verdict. There is, indeed, ao doubt on the subject t
iteltber qn the teadeocy of the libel nor on the
staAlf kle publics:jos. after all the discossione
sh Ilk Court have heard. You have stated
I. Is that you have a wife and four children,
and We tike that circumstance into our consider-
ation; lint it would be well if, before men were
guilty of offences like this, they would reflect on the
misery which they will bring on their own family,
and, perhaps, oo the innocent children of others. The
(Court having regard to all these circumstances, aod
also to your inability to pay toy fine, award and ad-
judge, that for the offence of which you have bee.
found guilty you be imprisoned in the Castle of Lan-
caster for one year, and give security for your gohd
behavioar for three years, yourself in 1001. and twa
leareties in 201.,eaeb." •
1 Ridgeray.—My. Lord, I never sold the work at ajj..
The LORD Cuter Jae-ma.—We have heard enou.n h.
on that subject.
I Ridgway.—l never sold it my Lord ;I am con'ileted
by a fool conspiracy
The defendant then retired in the custody of ao
officer.
TRH HIHO IL SMITH AND OTHERS.
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la this Case Mr. W•LIPOED, en a previoae' diy.
showed e!inseagoinst the rale for seven qtec.rap:rfufWe
against officer's In the corporatinn of the Ilerungh of
Colchester, and contended that the Court would not
receive the application on the grvand of various state-
ments tending to show that the proceedings were
really promoted by Mr. Daniel Whittle Harvey, 14ie
Member for the borough. Time was then granted to
the proscenium so answer these statements; and Mr.
Semmes-J. now piodeced as affidavit for Mr. Harvey,
denying that be was .the substantial relator In the
causes.
This the Court held sufficient ;
.and tltiokiag, on .
the merits, that the election was bad, grouted the
rule ; but directed that only one informatien sliotild
issue.

TVS KING V. lIINNOLL.
Tbis was &motion fors criminal informatioalliesinat
the defendant for disturbing the elegies o(os.1Mayo(
for Colchester is September last.—The case .4
tinned on a former day.
Mr. Cnawooo was heard against the rdle, *lnch •
The Count ordered to be discharged, lessitiff'rhe
pr mentors to tlie crdlowry iribunals *fake conaby..l
Bale diacbargid. --• • • '
At the Lewes cora-Market. need ay; the pr cos were ;
—New white Whist, et. Id.. to 31. ; inicid
“4 ditto, 21. Se. 1..21. Ilis...oiti ditto. .30.
illirley; 1/. ds. ; oats, 15s. 17s. beans 225. to 251. ;
1p are, 225.

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reserving those pelisses.'" sorer basswood is coma's roans, that his Saks" Ms, had the Noble Lord sow hies is power, sod Tim airy. 1341.1:701,*
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utt 1112 chief liapialit • of
the disoolatioa.
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