The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-06-14 00:00:00

tioned.hy the House, wWseut a dee
rintermp In his opinion eaten unjust
so to bt capriciondy remoned.. Uap
queues* of the present $4l would be ti
out ofthe•market a better description I
be brewed under the new system.

erl that the poor would never be content/ stiltli beet/Aid
inferior price. He suggested to the Right Hon. Gentle-
man; the Chancellor of the Exchequer,the expediency of
withdrawing the Bill for the present, and bringinglor-
ward the question ageindu the course of the next Session:,
The gallery was then cleared for a division. 1,
• Ares, 32 ;—Noes, 26, ;—Majority lir favour of the
'Bill; 6.
1 The report was then brought up, and upon the motion'
that it be now received,
The Marquess of TITCHPIELD moved as an amend:
went that the Bill be recommitted.
A division having-taken place, the numbers were
For the original motloo, 36i—Againse it, 201—Ma-
jority for receiving the report, lit
CHIEF. BARON O'GRADY.
On our re-admissidn to the Gallery, we found
Mr.SCA lILETT ou his legs, arguing against the ex-
podiency of going into the rescolntioos proposed by Me.
S. Rice, respeotiog the conduct of the Chief Baron of the
Exchequer in Ireland. He maintained, that at the pre-
sent advanced period of the Session, it was impossible
the House could sit long enough to come to a sati-fae-
tory conclusion on the subject. He wished that the ques-
don should be postponed till the commencement of next
Session, , when he would give every assistanee in his
power in furthering the object of the investigation ; but
if it was brought, forward at present he should, from a
sense of duty, hold himself bound to oppose it.
Mr. S. RICE said that he had en previous occasions ex-
pressed a 0.4106;11°n either to postpone or bring .forward 1
the question as the justice of the case might require. '
Therefore, if he could not now agree to the proposed delay, '
unless under a partieuler antingeney, he hoped that no im-
putation of pertinacious obstinacy would attach to him.
The patty most interested had deprecated delay, es unjust
towards the party against whom the charge was made, con-
sequently it was from that quarter slope the call for delay
ought now to coma. For his own part, lie was entirely
antler Or cOittroul of the Hoes*, and if tney now resolved
not to Weenie the motion, be would not pledge himself
to bring it forward next Session. for he should leave the
responsibility with those who were in favour of postpone-
ment at a time when he was prepared to heir& ou the dis-
cussion.
Mr. SCARLETT thought it only fair towards the Learn-
ed Judge in question; that the House should not proceed
at present, unless they were Strewed to act decisively. It
appeared to him that his Honourable Fared bad too much
good fee:ing to expect that the request far delay should
come from the lioneueable Gentleman alluded to—the son
of the Learned Judge. it was not to be presumed, in the
delicate situation in which that Gentleman stood. that he
Would make any each request. Ile (Mr. Sesrlett) spelled
to the son of the Chief Baron to know whether he would
object to the postponement, and his answer was, that lie
considered himself perfectly neutral with respect to the
question.
Mr. CANNING admitted that the Hoc Gentleman could
not sit silent while called upon to proceed. What he, (Mr.
Canning) suggested, was the withdrawal of the call. It
was not td be expected that the demand should be made on
the part of the son of the Learned Judge, as such au act
;night be liable to be misconstrued. As to the question it-
self, be had with much difficulty and inconvenience endea-
voured to possess himself of the principal facts, though he
was by no means prepared to say that he was master ul the
whole merits of the case. Minh was to be taken on autho-
City, and still more on trust. lf, Iwo et er, the.questiost was
brought forwarti at present. he should be ready to come to
to Individual vote on some of the Resolutions. but he thoneolit
be should derive great advantage by having further time for
inquiry and consideration. He pledged himself that in the,
interval between this and the next Session be should not
either directly, or by implicetion, give to any person the
Islightest colour of his opinion on the subject.
Mr. S. RICE said be could not lightly undertake the
responsibility of postponing the question. There had been,
out of doors a variety of publications, charging him with a
neglect of his duty, and stating that he would net dire
to proceed in the business ; it was therefore impossible
that be should now consent to the postponement without
a distinct pledge, exonerating him from all future respon-
sibility.
Mr. CANNING said be should be always ready to bear
testimony to the correct manner in which the lion. Gentle-
man has acted. 1
Mr. RICE, the Niuth Report of the Commissioners of +
Inquiry was entered on. read, and
Mr. SCA RLETT moved the postponement of the dis-
cussion upon it till next Session.
On the amendment being put,
Mr. HUME said he should divide the House on the
atnendtromt, which he considered merely as a motion to
get rid of the charge altogether. He, was sorry that the
desire to avoid inquiry into the conduct of the Judge ap-
pellee.' to be the result of a connivance on both sides. of
the House,
Mr. SCARLETT denied any connivance on his part.
Melia& only heard of this question two or three days ago,
and then he expressed a wish to be present at the discus,
sion, also to make himself acquainted with it, therefore he
merely wanted the question to be postponed. If that was
a connivance, he pleaded guilty to the charge. His object
was not to precipitate any discussion, and therefore
wished that the contiiderati on of the subject should be post-
poned until himself and other Members could make up
their minds upon it. Oa looking over the Report of the
Committee, he did not see any thing to warrant him in
concluding that the Judge bad acted from corrupt motives.
If the House should resolve to adopt the Resolutions, an
impeachment must follow, and that would require nume-
rous forms, which could not be gone through in the present
Session.
Mr. HUME declared that he made no personal allusion
to the Learned Gentleman.
Mr. HUTCHINSON said he was convinced that the
House was not in a state• to enter into the proposed in-
quiry in the present Session.
Mr. WYNN slid be tray perfectly prepared to enter
into the discussion of the question proposed by the Hon.
Member for Limerick; but when he saw so small an at-
tendance of Members, he though it would be better to put
it off to the next Session.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, that after the evidence that
had been given before the Conindttee, it would be incone
sistent with the character and dignity of the Clause to
postpone a question which involved in it the character.
of a man •bolding the high situation of a Judge; and,
it was a duty which the House owed to the Judge him-
self; to came to speedy a decision on the charger made
against him,
Colonel BARRY said,thatifltethonght there was any
•uncertaioty ant° this business coining forward next Sets
sion, he aould move for entering into the discussion inn .
otediately. But he thought it would he highly inconse-
oient to bring it on this Session.
Sir J. N EW FORT said he wished to ask these Gentle-
men who wanted to put off this question to another Ses-
sion on accoent of not having sufficient information,•
why they had not read the documents that had.heen be-
fore the House during the spec! of IS months. The
Honer owed it to she due administration of justice in ;
Ireland, to take care that these charges should not be de.
'eyed, and that it should be ascertaieed ,as speedily as
possible whether the individual in question was bud'
lliia time to.contiaue in the exerciae of his WO judicial
Wisdom.
mi. S. RICE said be had
,repeetedly pressed this ios
quire t. and ben* all fetidly met by motions for..de-
lay., If -the, queetioo w now pot oil, lie alipeld.oot,
pledge hiuseel to. bring it forward next Session, e.Mivesib
a charge, wpm thattpreforged,.apiaa svloillipia

THE STATESM AN•

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Mr. PEEL expressed his astonisiteartanimao....—
'Gent/multi-Wm had 'been absent dunng the whole of
iKa night: red who, only. just ecatne. down at eleven
o'clock, shceild, after thin grossly neglecting-his-deny,
' get tip maVe so injnat a chime against the Members
lon both. sides of the House.-0-lear4 %Yas it fair or
that
duty,ahotln
illdlekon. liealasa
me fOirwardis,with•chartghesel
inerely od conjecture?
Mr. BROIGHAM said he had the misfortune not to
have heard the debate, anti he therefore took to himself
a por ion of the charge of gross dereliction of duty,
whirls the Right Hon. Gentleman bail littog out against
all those who were similarly situated: Labouring, how-
ever, as he did tinder such an intpOtation, he was called
up to protect, as well against the positions of the Right
Hon. Gentleman as the tone• in Which they were deli*
vered. Ile denied that any Member had not a right to
speak upon any sulject, for he 0,114 not separate the
right of voting from that of delivering opinions. Ile
had understood such to be the custom of this Homer
hitherto. ' lie rejoiced, however, to hear new and differ-
ent &Alines broached for the tint time, but he hoped
they would be porstsed consistently.—(Cheers )1 110
hoped that such scenes would not be again witnessed,
which this House had been but too touch accustomed to.
—Night after night, at a certain hour, the benches were
seen deserted," the green and brown colours of the seats
only prevailed ; hut Gentlemen were sure to be in at the
division. • This " gross dereliction of duty" was dis-
Iplayed regularly every night from seven o'clock to ten.
le (Mr. B.) as a reformer; thanked the Right Hon. Gent.:
for the tirade which he bad pronounced.against Gen-
tlemen votingon questions which they had not heard dis-
cussed, though be could not help being a little surprised
at the high tone in which it was pronounced, tit any man
bnt in the Right Hon. Gent, a glaring departure front
that suavity by which he. had bean hitherto distinguish-
ed —((bear.) But the fact was, that the Right lion
Gentleman had obtained an advantage, as lie supposed,
for once in his life, over his (Mr- B.) Hon. Friend (Mr.
Bennett), and he therefore chuckled twee it.—(kind
cheers.) And it was reinarkabW, too, that the Rt. Hon.
Gent. was cheered loudly by his friends about him—
those friends who were in general so mite, bon upon this
occasion so sonorous and inusiral.—(blear, bear.) The
flight Hon. Gentleman, however, had got within his ad-
versary's lire, without replying to his argument. lie,
again, however, thanked him for the" advice which he
had given, and be hoped the practice of this House in
that respect in fntnre wtottld be mended. For the busi-
ness of this Ilonse was met to be carried on in a way of
which the public had but little idet. At a certain hour
in the evemng—sov seven o'clock. if an angel was to set'
upon the bench's, he could not keep the Members there, i
and he (M r. 11.) believed that no other question whatever,
but one relating to the Royal Family, could then keep
theta there. It mattered not hew important or interest-
ing the question was, the desertion was general, and at'
this usfortnnate bout the evacuation was complete, the
seats were suffered to repose without any ineumbranre,
and the pnblicquestioas were left to shift for themselves.
(Laughing.) But what did the Right lion. Gentleman
think of " pairing off ?"—(Hear ) Where twoqientlo-
-11110 regularly entered into a mutual contract to vote in
certain ways without hearing a word upon the subject,.
on one side or the other ?—(Cbeera)
Sir FRANCIS OMMANEIf here observed, that he'
hail more titan once paired off with the Ilan. and Learn-
ed Gentleman Itions..ll.—(Loud cheers and laughter from
. the Ministerial Benches.)

tpu' 'Add

Mr. BROUGHANI ndmitteil that he hod paired °kind ll•
was early in the evening.—(Cominued cheers.)—He then al-
luded to the little attention which was given to the greatest
questions, and stated that in ISIS, when lie made a most im-
portant motion respecting the Orders in Council, there
woro not sixty Members in the. Mouse, and the cos•
sequent examieations which took place at the bar were
often made /Alien there were not five Members- present. lie
then went on to contend, that although his lion. Friend was
not present, yet be {mew the part which Ministers were .gri-
ing to take, and he was warranted in reprehending it. lie
(Mr. B.) now colled.upon the Right lion. Gentlemen to deny
that they had meant to support the postponement. (Jo an-
swer was given.) Here then was ignorance still prevailing on
the subject. Ministers would not say whether or not they
meant to oppose the measure, but like Mnliontet's coffin they
were suspended between two opinions.—(Laughing ) Ills
lion. Friend, therefore, it seemed, had lost nothing by being
absent. lie was now ignorant oo the subject, but if he had
been present his ignorance would be still more assinine.—
(Laughing.) The .honourable Member concluded by ex-
pressing a hope that in future no Member would give a
stile who had net been present at the discussion upon every
subject.
Mr. PEEL. in explanation, said that as a party accused,
some allowance:should be made for the warmth of his feelings
iu repelling a charge which turned oet to be entirely
groundless --[ti ear.)
Mr. BENNET said, that although he was not present, yet
he had read every thing on this subject with attention: lie
was not yet convinced that a compromise and connivance
did not exist upon this subject on the part of Government.
Sir F. OMMANEY and Mr. BROUGHAM explained. '
The Gallery was them cleared for a division, but no di-
vision took place, as the amemdmeet was withdraws by
consent. _ . .

Upon our return to the gallery, we found the Speaker pet-
ting the question for the House going immediately into the
Committee.
A conversation took place between Dr. LUSHINGTOR, Mr.
CIOULBURN, Mr. M. A. TsyLott. Mr. ARERCROMER, the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. and Mr. HERE, as to the
injustice of entering upon an accusation at a time that It
could not be fully gone into and answered, which ended by
fix ng' Tuesday next for the Committee, with an ender
guiding that all other business was to giveplaee to this.
Mr. PEEL suggested that the House shouldsit at half-past
three on Tuesday, end,that. this Committee should be the
first busincav taken.
Mr. S. RICE said beshould begin the busines& at the ear-
''peat hour that the House permitted him.
The Committee was then fixed for Tuesday next at ball-
past three o'clock.
The Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at One o'clock.
EASE' INDIA HOUSE.

A Special..Geneval_Coart of. Proprietors of East Indi
stock. .was yesterday held at the Company's House in Lea
denhall-street.
The Cuatassms (W. Wigram4- Esq.) moved, " That the
Court do confirm the Resdlution of the General Court. of
Tuesday last, relative to the Pensions to be granted to the
Judges of the Courts in Indiaton retirement; and also.
crsnting a Pension of I.ODUl.per• annum to the Recorder of
l'rinee cf Wales's Island.. as a Retiring Pension,. wium.he
' shall have Lied the situation for 10 years. • ,
The Drewry CnAtaxts (William Astell, Esq.) IleC)nded
lhe•motion, which war agreed tn. •
The CIIAIRNIAII ,text moved the confirmation of the Rsi
volution of the Generals Conn; of Tuesday last, .by which
the Bishop of i'atcntta and his Archdeacons are to receive
their Retiring, Precious after. a service of ten years.—
"Agreed to.
The 1:11.11ax ex then laid before the Court a Copy of the
Rest India Thule Rill, now in progress through the House
of Commons, aud.mneed,,'.' That . the Goan approve of the
said Rill." ' _ •
Mr. R. J ACKSON anggested•ths propriety of adjourning mho,
Aiseusehon HU tios Gametal Court oa. Wedsesday meat, which
wait sgrged to, •
The CNAIRMAN next laid before the Court the East ladle
Mutiny Rill, and a motion wiesegvesei4n. " That this GSM
[r.,
,not.ohjeot.'to thirsald HilL"--Afijoarast. •
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