The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-01-29 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

'—',.----7----- List of the N
at the period of the
.last last training ; also,
4th
Dec.nvi. um- not hesitate in allowing the Bill to pass ; and, if they deration, her Majesty would willingly he released
her that shall be entitled to discharge on the b _.
thought proper, they might afterwards institute an from the responsibility thus imposed upon her. Nor
till; relative!tiec aed willlo the
be
rßegan-eadeofthe minor detailsll ded to.
enquiry into some
cy Allowance, w ghretauPd att.o his, that
Mr. WHARTObNierowasu
second time to-morrow. Mr. BENNET felt it to be a duty he owed to his any mention of her Royal Highness the P '
riecsis of
The Report of 1,500,0301. Exc. qhe uer Bills was brought up ;
11 lls Bill, which will be read constituents, to object in a most decisive manner to Wales was necessary in this discussion. On
also,. the 10,300,0301 bactiequei i the
the Officers of the King's new establishment, occu- contrary, he thought that such mention
a third time to-morrow.
the Electors of • Would
Mr. SINCLAIR presented a Petition from
refilled in
seats in the House of Commons; Bad he beg- have been impertinent and irrelevant. With re.
Caithness, praying t Reform in Parliament, which was p c
ef PY
ged leave to call the attention of the House to the spect to an establishment for their
Royal Nagle
re-
by the Hon Member by some remarks on the expediency y ) I. I .
- 'and particularly in the North, where the number practice of our ancestors. In the Pension lar ta- , uesses the Princesses, he was persuaded, that
that measure, whet -
of representativ:s were not, he said, at all proportionate
to the
ment of Charles I. Sir Stephen Fox was called upon, ! ever a communication should be made to
imretulltilTteKESTONE put of until to-morrow the motion of las i
Paymaster of Secret Service Money, to point out House on that subject, from the proper quart the
er,
Sir ;oho Newporvelative to the population of Ireland. v
I such Members of the House as held places or re- it would be received with that manliness and good.
Lord FOT.KESTONE moved for leave to bring In a Bill for ! .
d 'and between 3O and 40 persons will which had always been •
of a (flog the 39th George 11. relating to inset- 1 calved pensions, ;evinced by them on emi.
the purpose
Ile took the opportunity of sayiog a few words were named. au the 4th of Charles IL a resolutipn, . gar occasions, and that the terms of that •
COMMUni.
1 sent Debtors.
relative to some expression., winch had occurred in the course of declaring it highly unconstitutional, was passed, and ;cation would be taken into consideration with
a ge-
the denate
nn preceding night. A Right Honourable
lim he was sorry not to see in his place, had then used' all persons who continued to hold them were ordered i nerosity of feeling honourable to themselves and t
ns trete language towards a person from whom some of his (Lord to be expelled. In the fourth Session of the second the country. Reierting to the Bill before the House°
,
Folkestone s) information was supposed to have been derived.—
Parliament of William 111. a Plato Bill was intro- ' Ite confessed, that while it met with li.
,
, s general ap.
He could assure that Right Hon. gentleman that the person al-
luded to was a man of as unblemished a character as any in the i duced, the sanction to which was refused by the , probation, he was not quite satisfied with the man-
profession to which he belonged. I King, and the House of Commons declared, that , nor in which his Royal Iligenesss debts were to be
Mr. HERBERT said, that as his Right Hon. Friend was not •
present, he would state on the part of that Right Hon. Gestic- . the servants who so advised the King were guilty of ; liquidated. He thought he could point out a mode
man, that any expressions which had fallen from him were only a scandalous violation of their duty. In the 13th ! much preferable, with respect to the comfort of the
uttered on the spur of the occasion, and from hearing that a ear of , atrs the same reign, a Bill of a similar kind, but ; Prince, and the security of his credito d
y i much
Proctor had been the person who supplied part of his informa-
tion to the Noble Lord who bad brought forward this motion.— much modified, was brought in, which was repealed . more honourable to Parliament itself. After having
No offence to the Gentleman in question was intended, ! by the 4th of Anne ; and the statute of the Gth of ' taken a retrospective view of his Royal Ifighne,s'spe.
Mr. SMITH knew the person who gave this information to .•
thatevery receiving a place cuniary difficulties, and the manner in which he had
Anne provides,
be a most respectable character.
Mr. PEELE, adverting to some proceedings that had taken shall vacate his seat, and subject himself to re-election. been assisted by Parliament, he came to t' e gate in
place in one of the Leeward. Islands, moved tint an Inintibbeleclsd-
,„ Such was the proceedings of our ancestors ; but the con- 1803,and contended strenuously that that grant was by
dress be presented to his Royal Highness for Copies
of
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' ductof Ministers now is widely different, and which ! no meansconsideredasacompeusationfortheabandon.
munications that had been made by Mr. Tobin, accusing Mr.
James Weeks Paterson and another of misconduct in one of was the wisest phoceeding littledifficulty could hefeltin ; ment on the part of the Prince, of his claims on the
those islands. The persons accused were respectable characters, ,
uetermining. At present the only anxiety appeared to ; Duchy of Cornwall, and that no such abaud
and he tboaght their justification of themselves sho.,id be made onmeat
as •mi bile as possible. be how to augment the influence of the Crown, and to 'by his Royal Highness ever toe* phial. From the
Lord FOLKESTONE then brought in his Bill, which was decrease that of the other branches of the Legislature. I source, therefore, the discharge of the Princes peal.
read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Friday
The recentappointmentof four Members to places ' nialt
, . obligations ought to proceed. What would be
I next. ;
Mr. ROSE moved for leaie to bring in a Bill for the more , under Government, was a sufficient proof of this as- ;the consequences of the present arrangement on this
effectual regulation of pilots, and piloting vessels on the coast of
1 section. Although he did not intend to detain the subject ? The Right lion. Gentleman opposite stated
England.—Leave granted.
THE KING'S HOUSEHOLD. H ' ouse by entering at length into
, this subject, he - that 50,0001. of his Royaf Highness's present income
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report of , could not avoid noticing the appointment of Colonel m ould be appropriated to the discharge of these °W.
the Committee on thellousehOld Bill ; but having : M'Mahon. What, he enquired, were the pretensions gatious. Was Parliamout to guarantee this appro.
already laid, a full report of the discussions on this of this gentleman to the office of Paymaster of priation ? Did he as this as implying any daunt of
subject before the public, we feel it unnecessary is 1 Widows' Pensions? What, he enquired, were the tie Prince's honour? Gnd forbid! He knew he
the present instance to enter much into detail. i services he had performed to merit a reward due only any-al highuess's punctuality, and sacred adherence
Mr. BROUGHAM apologised to the House fat ito a man who had deserved well of his country ? lie to his word, better. But were there no other can-
trespassing on their attention after the discussion that , had no doubt he was a very honourable man, belt tingeneies ? Was there not in the first place—what
I had taken place on this question. He maiutainedl that did uot fit him peculiarly for the situation—and ; must be the living wish in every ma 's heart—the pos-
I that the object of the Bill being to raise an additions)': it appeared to the honourable Member that it would sibility of his Majesty's recovery, and resumption of
Isum of 70,0001., that consideration alone was enough; have been far better if Ministers had abstained from the Royal Authority ? Was there not the possibility--
to justify the call for enquiry. The Chancellor o ' incurring the disgrace, and even guilt, of soliciting a of which no one could speak without lamentation ant
the Exchequer and the Chancellor of the Duchy of place for. Col. M'Mahon, for the mere purpose of in- horror—of his Majesty's dissolution? iu which
Cornwall had certainly given what they called ex- gratiating themselves with a personage it was their in- 'event the income of the Regent must merge into that
planation', but it was no step towards getting rid of terest peculiarly to please. The influence of the of the Monarch ? Was there not the possibility—.
the challenges thrown out on the opposite side, to Crown was obtained by what in private individuals' an event of which it would not be expected that he
I . I
' explain the grant of a sum of money to Sir Salley treceived no better appellation than bribery—[hem, could speak in terms of ordinary regret, but of th‘t
Smith. The two objects of inquiry and pining the , hear !]—and were it not for this circumstance, this warm affection, which must pervade all who had ever
Bill were inseparable, and therefore he would con- kingdom would not have a Parliament which n ould the happiness of approaching his Royal Highness's
jure the House to pause in the dark before it &litho- plunge the country in unjust wars with their friends person—was there not the possibility of his Royal
rized a measure, the expediency of which it , and kindred, or support any Ministers appointed by , Highness's death? In any one of these cases, the
was not afforded the means of judging.---He' any King or a Government, which would entrench' security of the creditors would be destroyed ; and
referred to the practice of Parliament in other ' themselves in 'privilege from public criticism ; who :.he would ask, once more, if it was fitting that the
, instances, and stated, that no less than three would waste the blood of our gallant soldiery on ex-' creditors of so august a l'ersmnage as he who, as Re.
I Committees were appointed on occasions of in- ; peditions miserably planned and worse executed ; and ' gent, was about to assume the uncoutrouled ewe
creasing the Civil List in the administrations of Mr. , above all, which would pass a Bill of Indemnity—a cise of the Royal Authority in this great Empire,
Pitt and Lord Sidmouth. There was nothing in the j measure which had for its object the stifling the voice should be exposed to all this tinceetainty ? Ile was
accounts on the table at present, which should in- :of the victim exclaiming against oppression, and which perfectly confident that if the affair were thoroughly
duce the house to relax their constitutional jealousy " could never be contemplated without disgust and de- considered, it would be found by far the most espe.
of such proceedings : on the contrary, there was testation. dient course for the Public to take on themselves the
every thing to alarm it. He then entered into va- I Mr. SHERIDAN expressed his surprise at the in- payment of the whole debt, by. the means which he
irious items presented to the House, and inferred troduction into the debate by his Hon. Friend who had already described, and which would not occajoa
'from their apparent extravagance, that they called had just spoken of so much irrelevant matter. His any addition to'the public burdens.
for strict scrutiny. He wished Gentlemen to consi- ' lion. Frienditad not done himself justice, for lie had Lord MAULS eQNEe is, r low tone of-sales,
der the different way in which things of this kind . put those who ,might be in political hostility with which ,eedered us unable to colleei the whole of his
t were dealt with in the reign of George 11. After he j him in possession not out,-of the motion which it Lordship's observations, complained of the perfectly
' had sat upon the throne for the space of 20 years, ' was his intention to make at a future period upon an- gratuitous illusion which thielion. Gent. had made
, there was a deficit in the Civil List to the amount of . other subject, but he had also unfolded to them the to theacceptance by his Noble Relation of the office
450,0001. This deficit was made up by Parliament, arguments which he meant to urge on that occasion. of Postmaster-General ; an office which had alivays
' and in the succeeding years a surplus of 115,0001. j 116 Hon. Friend had talked a great deal of the ad- been held by an individual of his Noble Relation's
accumulated, which his Majesty applied, not to the ' vantages which would ensue from a Parliament con- rank.
purchase of personal property, but to the relief of stituted in such and such a maiwor, and of his con. Mr. SHERIDAN disclaimed the least' intention
1 the people, from whom it was originally drawn.— viction, that a Parliament so en Istituted would ab- of saying any thing disrespectful to the Noble Fad.
He should pass over the omission of the name of her stain from such and such measures. lie (Mr. Site- The higher the Noble Feirl's character, the stronger
Royal Highness the Princess of Wales, which was', ridan) was as earnest a reformer as any man; and was his argument, which tended to remind his Hoe
I not mentioned in the Bill, from beginning to end ;'' if his lion. Friend's arguments would tend to induce Friend in the midst of his general principles, that
but he thought the House was bound to look to the ; any of the great people of the country to abstain there were cases in which mon ,of the best character'
increase of infittence which was likely to accrue to , from accepting places of which they stood in did accept situations, such as those his lion. Fiend
the Crown, by the addition of twenty-one to :no need, he should think them eminently service- exclaimed agai ist. As to giatuitous allusions, it
tto corps of attendants. He objected to the man-' able to the country. For instance, if a Noble ought to be recollected that he (Mr. S.) must have
tier in which her Majesty would be tempted ' Earl could be induced by such arguments to ab- felt a little hurt at the gratuitous allusion wnich had
by the ppwer to be placed In her hands, either 1 stain from holding such an office as Postmaster- bee:: made by his lion. Friend to Col. M‘Nlalion,
to thwart the intentions of the Crown, or, on j General, be thought that a great deal of good ,v eeld The Report was then brought up and agreed to,
the other hand, to give to the Crown a prepender- : ensue—[Hear, hear, hear !]—He (Mr. Sheridae) and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to.
sting influence. It.appeared to him, that the House; hid said this merely to 'thew his lion. Friend how morrow.
had never before sanctioned such unauthorised ac- I cautious he ought to be in tit, r wing out any general
comes and demands without a previous enquiry. Ile I stigma. His Hon. Friend had arraigned the conduct
again recalled the attention of the House to the pre- ot Ministers in the recent appointment of Colonel •
cedent of 1804, and other precedents ou this sub- M-Mahon to the Pasmastership of, Widows' Pen-
ject. The people did not grudge to pay the neces- ! along, as if that appointment were a corrupt act on,
sary expeuces of the state, but they expected that I their part to curry favour with the Prince. If his
Parliament would take care to investigate the neces- ; Hon. Friend could prove that the office ought to be
sity of those expences. On till these grounds, he abolished, he had authority to say in the name of
opposed the bringing up of the report. IColonel M'Mahon,. that he (the Colonel) would not
Mr. ROiE replied to the Hon. and Learned Gen- stand in the way of such abolition.--.[clear,
Hemet. He allowed that enquiry ought to take i hear!] If ever there was a man by the side of
place, as broad a one as possible, but not such as to a Prince who faithfully served both the Prince and
impede the progress of the Bill. In opposition to t the Public, Colonel M'Mahon was that man—
the statement of the Learned Gentleman, he . con- [Hear, hear!] He was proud of the honour of
tended that great grants had frequently been made calling that Gentleman his friend'; and he coeld
to the Civil List, without any enquiry whatever; assure the House that Colonel M'Mahon prized
and he instanced eases in the reigns of queen Anne infinitely more' the honourable testimony so gene.
and George I. and 11. in proof of his assertion. The rally borne to his high character in a recent discus-
Learned Gentleman said that George IL did not lay i sion in the House of Commons, than any emoluments
out the surplus of his revenue in the purchase of ; which his new situation might afford him, and would
freehold and copyhold estates. What Sovereign had , much rather abandon the latter than one tittle of his'
ever lone so in this country ? None. Ile asserted t claim to the former.—[llear, hear .9 He (Mr. S.)
positively, that no Sovereign had ever laid out a shil- declared that he had not heard one convincing ar- ,
ling of the Civil List revenue in that way. It weal gument against the bringing up the report of the Bill.
impossible that he should do so. His present Ma- llt was with regret that he ever differed from those
jesty had waived the various revenue of his prede-I with whom he had been in the habit of acting during
cessor, and had accepted a specific sum of 8o0,0361.; i his whole political life, but on this occasion he must 1
being 20,0001. less than the revenue of George li. I entirely differ from them. He conceived that the
lie entered into a statement of the further Parlia- ! character and feelings of the Prince were truly con-
mentary grants that had been m to his Majesty, stilted in not vesting in him the custody and care ofl
the whole of which amounted oily to two millions, his Royal Father-; and he could not conceive that
four hundred and nineteen thousand pounds ; being an a more monstrous and revolting proposition than
average during his reign of 93,0001. a year. And let it the opposite would have been, could possibly
be considered, that since the year 1750, money had have been made. lie differed also from his lion.
been depreciated to nearly half its value at that Friends near him, in their opinion of the situation in
period. Adverting to what the Learned Gentleman which her Majesty would be placed by the new ar-
had said of the munificence of Queen Anne, he ob- rangement, and of the danger of her possibly making
served, that so far from Blenheim having been built a corrupt use of the influence which she would pos-
out of the Royal Purse, it had been commenced by sess. From the whole tenor of her Majesty's con-
Parliamentary grants, which being interrupted by duct, there appeared to him to be no ground for
the Tory Administration, the building was completed such a suspicion. She had accepted the situation
at the expense of the Duke of Marlborough, who which she was to held, from a sense of the duty which
was subsequently remunerated by another Parlia- she owed to her Royal Consort and to the Public ;
wentary vote. Ile trusted that the House would and there could be no doubt that, but for tbot censi-

110106EHOLD OFFICES' BILL.
-On the motion of the C:IANCELLOR of the
ER., the House then resn!ve:l itself into a
Coestnittee on the Bill, comprising certain clauses re.
lat.ve to the Offices of the Household, which were
withdrawn from the original 13111 on the subject, for
the purpose of being, consolidated into a separate
8111.
On the clause for regulating the Lord Steward's
Department: - . •
Sir C. BlAßELL.called tbe attention of the Gors•
mittee to the situation of the Marshal's Men, who
pay on their admission frOm $OO to 900 guineas to
the Knight Marshal of the lioesehold3 receiving
nominally salaries of 201. Per annum, fro.niwhich 51.
18s. 6d. le deduced by the Board of Green Cloth.—
The principal so vested, he farther stated, at the
death of a Marshalman, does not go to his w;tlow of
to his children, but remains in the hands of the Knight
Marshal. he did not mean to cast any reflection on
the Knight Marshal. but on the practice itself, which
had so long prevailed, and which might have mi.
ginated with come of the other great Lords of the
household. The Hon. Baronet then enumerated 4'-
veral other offices in this department—the Yeomss
of the Guard, the Serjeant and Groom Porters, a°
also purchased their places, and received but a vm'S
trilling nominal salary, and who, in conieqiience,
were reduced to the necessity of begging of every it.
dividual who came to Court. This, he concebelt
ought not to be tolerated in a country so famed fo
its liberal hospitality as Great Britain. tlisagive
k ought to be brought to the ears of the Prince IV'
gent, whom it was only necessary to inform of the
circumstance to have the abuse corrected.
Mr. KENRICK, in answer to the statementsth of
the Hon. Baronet, disclaimed a knowledge
grievances he had enumerated. In one instance, in:
deed,. he remembered a complaint had been niaile
something of the kind, but the evil had been prom&
ly redressed. .
—After some further discussion, in 'which Mr'
Croker, Mr. Giles, the chancellor of the Excite'
of e