The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-11-24 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

was pd by the county ; another was Mr. Norris, turbulent, infested, end misguided individuals
st.pointed hs the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lan. These were the serious evils which should induce all
cower, nod paid by that Duchy. They were respect. good men to stand forward in defence of Comities
10.10 melt and they knew that even the Court of Banal liberty. • Ile still MSS of epinioo that lenient
Beech locked over the aberrations of measures were much better than those of a harsher
Msgistratea. when_ tint convicted of culpable ne. character; but of the letter description be could not
ehgence. T I hey hail every ground of sus; icion consider the approving of the condect alibi Stagie-
r ..siost the persons who marched in military sr. Rates whet they were 'opposed to have done their
rase, with bonnets, and pikes bloody at the; duty. Ile felt that this question interested him mach,
brads, to the places of meeting. flit there iinasmuch as it sleeted a Noble Friend of his, whom
was stronger gromd of presumption in favour he had esteemed for 50 years; bet if that Noble
a the NI sgistrates, which was, that to this day no Friearl had advised with him be, perhaps, "meld have
I.rosecutiots hail been iunitoted against Ilse Magi. wished him to have taken • different step from what
strafes. Ile deni*d that the Manchester Yeomanry he did; still be regretted that Minister" had adopted
acted with violence or intemperance ; but bad merely I such a course with respect to Lord Fitswilliam, who,
done their dots in aid of the Civil Power. The pre• bed essay times dose great violence to his 'merest
sumption in their f was, that all the bills of ;and (mbar, by supporting the Government and lb*
indictment against them had been thrown oat by the Coestitetion. Ile, therefore, should net applaed the
lancashire Grand Jury. It had been deo*, by as wey le which. Gov/loosest had treated that the
lion. Gentleman, who had made the amities. that Esti.
they ground their swords for the purpose. it had The Deka of kTIIOL thought It the del
uals ; yef every
also been denied by se Officer in the 15th Mews, man to resist the arts of dan
that lie hid saved msoy from their Ivry. Ii was the the dissimilations of sedition sad blasphemy.
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opinion of the greatest Authorities that the Welles knew, bonnier, that the efforts of dm disaffected log
of the 16th was se illegal owe. On the Wedoesdoy4not been so snecessfel le Sallied, as they had wish*
night after the Meeting Mr. hay came to Wye to ' ell or espected ; bet he could speak from his was
Rice evidence respecting thesis,* of Manchester. The knowledge, that seditious trash hid been given away
Needier* of the Privy Council in town, with the among them, or sold at low prices, with the vain et.
Lew Officers of the Crown, were assembled; std pectstion of sedeciegibees from their loyally • sod
they were of matelots that the Meeting was illegal ; blasphemy speed abroad to destroy their religions,
sad the conduct of the Maelstreles perfectly jest'. ptiociples. These, however, were too deep rooted
fable ; and it was only they that the letter was t• be so easily destroyed ; end they remitter! patient'
written appleeding the contlelet of the Magi. in their alteatiette, wadies better times. Ile, bow.l
straits. Was there ever • mamma when it was ever, thought that Geveretnent should be sappoilet
of more commeence to give importance to the Ma. In presenting the progress of Radical Refers, which
simulates ; and convinced as they were, then and wee, simply, every mast seising his ne;ghbour's goods,
sow. that the Magistrates had done their defy, and retaluiog them if ho was able. If they could
Voeld they have acted properly if they had hesitated step such a spirit, let it be done with es little harsh.
to applied them. sod to give confidence to the whole mess as possible; but if be were asked what measures
Magistracy of the country ? Ile then alluded to the he would propose. he should say, jest such measures
fate of Campbell, who was stoned to death in open as the case required; and let them stop when the
day for giving evidence stalest the disaffected ; and necessity which tolled for them should . Nothing
to others who bed their lives endangered for similar shoed prevent bias fres doing what he then it his
cesdect. Yet the Noble Lord had taken no notice duty, sod he should therefore attend de die in diem
of these circumstances. The danger of the country la his place to farther all masers. to peseta such
hail bees admitted ; let them then suite in sormeout• proceediegs.
ing it; end if he saw any greater danger than ace- Lord LILFORD said, be was the advents of
other, it was in those who sleeted to Maud beigesu thousands, and two( thousands, of their loyal sad
the Government and the people. He would not peaceable fellow.subjects who called open them tri
eater into the grounds far dispensing with those'. pet • stop to then turbulent proceedings. which in-
vites of Frorl Fitswilliam ; but the manner in which teetered with their giblet end ordinary habits of life.
be took a part in the state of his county readered it He read • letter from a person in the middle order
impossible that soy farther confidence retold subsist of life, stating, that the people would not be goaded
between the Government sod his Lordship. He De by Remmers, if they were not perverted by the
would enter oti hither into these mattels until the blasphemies sad seditious tracts so indoesly cit.
subject should be broughtin soother shape balers the ciliated, and which Geternmeat ought toastd pet a stop
Ilvasy. to. He defended the comdect of the Manchester
Lord ERMINE said, the Home ought not to Meeistretee.
take tie secnunt which Ministers chose to give of the Eisl GREY esplained. If it could be meintsined
state el she country, and lathe dowel which threat. in this instance that Parliamentary enquiry was 'm-
enet!, especially when Ministers were the party sa tra.jodicial, the same might be contended In every
culled. Bel it was their duty to esquite,sed to show ieetaece we n
re the Costitutionwas violated.
that they were unbiassed by Minister', end that they Lord LILFORD resemed.hee Megistrates
wore still the Representatives of the people. W°ere •most sad were eat ,
denied that a Meeting to consider of a Reform of Par. desirous of enquiry.
liament was illegal; bet even if it bad been se, they Earl GREY said, be meant Co aspersion ea the,
might to have dispersed it by legal tams ; by reeding character of the
Magisttstes
had la that ; bat he wishe
noshesdo ee
on it
she Riot Act in the first instance publicly, of obit* peeved, that ty gy
they had beard nothing. When, under such circus,. the letter of the law.
stances, defenceless men. women, sad children The 1.0111) CHANCELLOR said, the Man-
M• 11. sdned, right end left, by a militsry fifer, (heeler Megistrates wished for enquiry into their
had they not e right to call for strict sod Wotan& ass. tended; bet, for the sake of the people of the
tiairy ? If they rejected this amendment, and the country. he must vivid it. No man could say that
~,dc ',ismer to it was, that Ministers have other in. such Meetings were legal, when it less held that
f srms•ion, discontent would be swiveled tenfold.— numbers constituted force; sad other sorb language
The evidence in on Slate Trials in swell be was no. can held, to intimidate the peaceable subjects of the
gaged were made up of the Reports dhotis Houses of State. Was that English liberty ? The law now
Parliaareed. These circeessiances shooed the Wen. wished for, way that If Greed Juries threw out
city of 'equity, and they might therefore agree to the Bills, they were to at
eer into enquiry to satisfy po.
amendment wittiest pledging themselves to soy epos peter clamour. The st subject in this realm wes
irk consego•nres. greater than the highest I. say other State whatever.
Lord KING condemned the Noble Secretary of Prmeedissp had bees instituted to compel Mogi.
c,,t, for advising the thanks of the Regent to the Orates to answer, who had refused to take deltoid.
Alinchester Magistrate*, on the evidence and testi. liens. If that was right, why institute for
malty of Mr. Hay, himself one of those very Magi. enquiry; and if wrong, why interfere with the pro-
strates. What was to be said of the jadgment of cording' now going on is the Court of King's
tho Magistrates, who did not prevent a Meeting Beech on this .abject? lie was sorry to find Magi.
which they believed le be illegal; or, at all events, strafes missing ever pablications which they ought
to
•hy did they not order the emotion of their ear. have takes satin of. Much had been said of mot
rants before the Meeting took place, instead of taking reading the Riot Act. Before the 9th of George I.
persons from the midst of it, in order to Jaime the they had laws ta disperse unlawful Assemblies; and
minds of the people? That these disturbances arose that Act only made all felons who did not disperse
from distress, was evident; for ist the districts of an boor after the reading of that; bet slid not &bro.
the iron manufactories, which were such less de. gate the powers vested by the Common Lan in the
pressed than those of the woollen esseofactutes, no Magietrates. It was his clear, distinct, end Imes.
sorb discontent prevailed. They ought, therefore, lilted opiaiou, that, according to every principle of
while they acted with beleming firmness, to act with the English Law, that Meeting at Manchester was an
mildness also. Ministers would admit no Reform; illegal Meeting.
Ilse Radlcels wished for complete Reform; others Lord ERSKINE said, that he was in Bloomsbury.
wished for moderate Reform, by correcting abases square in the year 1790, jest before Lotd Mansfield's
gradually, and by deprivin rotten boreegbs of their home was burned down. Ile hod arms, and should
heat hises whenever they should be found to have have used them, had the mob attacked hiss ; but who
actor, enrreptly. Stich en one was he; end he also would say that that mob at that lime was similar to
wished all ennecessery expenditure to tri cut down; that of a Meet* for • redress of grievances.
foe he believed that the mere grant of 10,0001. a The Mamas of LANiDOWN said, if no other
year to a son for attending his father, had dose mach person would, he should, in $ short time, move for
harm, sled produced great discontent in the peblic so enquiry into the state of those distresses is the
mind. Nothing cold 0101, alienate the piddle mlod country which had gives rise to so Deny dreadful
from Pullman slself, than Its showier' its smell. occurrences. Ile costa not bet empress his abhorrence
tingtoste'le esquire into all species of injustice and of the mischievous sad systematic attempts which
abuse. Ile thereon, regretted that any circumstance have for the last two years been made to turn the
tler Amid occur to lessen the maiden. of the people people of this matey against the Constitution. That
In tie Governmeot or CoaNitutiun of the aseetry. sena profession of political faith, which every public
The Earl of CARYSFORT seid, it was impossible man was celled upon to make; end, in bin opinion,
that soils Meeting* could be legal, whets they were so public men was worthy of a share le the stabile
assembled for ;serpents hostile to all property mad confidence, if be did not make it. But, while they,
private security; end, indeed, to all the porpoise for showed the people they were not asleep at their
which men have arrill to enter into Nadal loniety.— posts. still they ought not to proceed to measures of
It was, therefore, their ditty to assist Goverommat, in violence, bet to tech conciliatory conduct as would
orrl,.r to mist those who by their arts would Weer allay the ferment which one sewn the country..
the minds of the people, and would see them for their Ile blamed the Noble Viscount (Sitlmooth) for
e ~!s in destroying every institetios in the country.— receivitig the es.perfe statements of two of slime
Ile contended that there was no preface for this Magistrates into whose contlect enquiry was ',ought
gretikation of rash sod to be made, and thee turning round sort ohms toe the
his duty, as a subject I tight a any person in the coon'', forming an opinion
red for devotion to civil 1 on this subject. hereon. he (the Noble Virroant) had
nefarious attempts; and it made up Ms mind as to the correctness of the conduct 1
' (Nicer, and el every of these Magistrates. Ile felt with the Noble Viscount,
. the amp, if they va• that the character of the Mikis, rates required. in these
or eves the safety Idengerees der, to be upheld; bet Is knew of so.
have been aid by Lord thing so likely to hring their authority into coliteutitt.
of libelling Grand 'es to show test they mig'.t use a discretionary poem,
eoeld not violates them without being responsible to Pediment for she in.
have said of the power of discreet or improper use of their authority. A Meet.
such n ;..ifere) i'z vs sod n';nssr 'nigh!

baciose illegal by cumulative circenistances ; hat still
it was Is be dispersed by legal means; and if an.,
lawful measures word resorted to, would any one soy,
that enquiry should not be instituted. Ile Wooed thel
t of Ilan' in the midst of es inflamed sod im-
merses politic Meeting, which, for sight he knew, had
produced all the unhappy consequences that followed;
and especially brought, for the first time for many 1
yeses, the people of this country in commit ion with'
the Yeomanry. It was therefore of vast conseqseitee
to satisfy the people of this country, that PirlillOPOl
did set lose sight of their safety, nor forget that they
owed them protection. Whatever he might think el
the leaders of the Radicals, who had taken silts ntsge of
the distresses if the times to prey on the people, still,
the dingo/ did not proceed from them, bet from a
grewieg belief io the Weds of the siddlieg classes,
Bat the lestitetions of the casuistry were not sof&
Ideally perfect to secure their interests. It was oily
by inspiring cosfidmice in these Institistions, IMO
they vivid aspect to soused I. the present swim.
toms crisis; or save the coestry from falling late dm
heeds of wicked end fectionsmen. By each means, sod
by shook)g that jostice and protection should bees.
Seeded to all wittiest distinction, that the ceen•ry
(meld be saved from rule and destruction. Bet Go-
vernment was gide' most cease for discontent, wheel
it withdrew from a highly respectable Nobleman Nei
cenfidesee ;—a Nobleman, who was best csleslatell
to soften down the acrimony which sight subsist besl
tween the people and the Goveromeat. ,
Th. Earl of LIVERPOOL said, It was not Ms
Intention to go at leer h at that time es the proceed-
Ines at Manchester. Bet he wield defy the Noble
Marquis to show him an lastest., in which sack
proceedings became the subject of Parliamentary
enquiry ; and indeed be did not see how it could,
! without suspending all preceediegs in Courts of law,
I which bad, in fact, not *sly Wise, but were advanc-
ed in a trifle of fait and jedicial intestigation. With
I respect to the letter of thaskis to the Magistrates at
Manchester, moistly his Majesty's Ministers seeress
mach parties t. it as was his Noble Petrels (Sidmeeth).
But the Goveinineut would not have been a party to
1 that letter, bad it not beets fully consist:ld, that by
feels, which could eat he costromted,the voided et
1 the Magistrates was worthy of praise; mod be wield
' maintain, that there sever was a case which obtained
more therm* istestigstios time did that, before dm
letter was stifles which had called down the obloquy
of the Noble Lords. Let any moo remember the
marchleg, is military array, of bodies of 20,000
mee, some 'reed with sticks aid staves, with
bassets inscribed, " Equal Represestation, or
Death;' which be would not may misfile sees illegal,
but treasonable, as for as attempting their mines
by threats end intimidations. Rot these trete saga
legal lifeetiogs. He would ask 'rheum! proceedings
had token place till within these two years? There was
no attempt to stifle this salter, for the Magistrate,
might have been proceeded easiest either minimally
or eititly. Bills were protested, sod ignored by
the Grand Joey. Yet they beard Whigs wor d
the sentience of Trial by Jury, from those Neill
Lords who were formerly so much is the habit of
eulogisiug it. The real feet seemed to be, that an
attempt was made to best down the Magistrates.—
He hosted list the timber of the disaffected was
small; but he knew that all Revelations were pro.
dead, net by the numbers of the disaffected ; bet
by the fears of the loyal. The only geed they
could therefore de, was to give confidence to the
Magistrates, sad protection to the loyal.
The Marquis of LA NSHOWN said, the opleies
of the Grand Jury, as to the conduct of the Yes.
musty, could Mil be a declaration of their "'please
of the Megiattates, under whose orders the Yemeni
acted. It could he no disparagement to the Magis-
trates to hose a Parliamentary enqeiry into their
rendoct, when it was remembered, that the lewd
Provost of Edieborah, and the irst Magistrates of
Scotland, bed been broiler to the bar of Poilisesest
to account for their conduct.
The Eell of CARNAR YON could not pee to
the doctrine that to refuse all employ, end to applaud
the conduct of the Magistrates, whether tight or
erring, could be the proper way to slimy the danger-
sus discontent, which it woe admitted, prevailed in
the comedy. Ministers themselves, by taking upon !
them to approve of the ceadsct of the civil and stili•
Lary force at Monchesier, had gives food for that dis-
content and dislike of the 'misting institutions. From
I ell he head oat of dem, and is diet House, there
appeared to him to be the most ample green& fir en.
lqeiry. The Noble Lords. who would prejudge no- .
thing, had declared the Manchester WNW/ to be I
illegal, end even treasonable. If so, bow did they I
justify their conduct, in 'aeries Meetings, equally
treasonable, having similar bassets sad deeoratiess
with that of Manchester, to beheld every fortnight in
Smithfield? How did Ministers justify seffories
the publishing, for months. of The Matsu' Tko
Comet, The Cap of !Aborts, sod other infamous
end treasonable publications. which called on she
People to take up ere!, and not surly to bring Mi-
nisters, bet Illustrious Persons to the scaffold ? II
they have found the law es it now stands inefficiest
to the correction of such abominable pioceedinge, he
would agree to tat estonsioa of the law to mem the
present esigency. if they foiled to lake all lawful
mesas to suppress such Weems; publications, their
responsibility roust be great indeed. Bet instead of
prosecuting each sicked and factions characters,
Ministers had wreaked their pony vengesce on a No-
ble Earl, "An only wanted that in hallow his fame,
whose only crime was a coostitetional attempt to re•
new the harmony alit) goad understanding that used
to Plitt between the higher end lower orders in this
country. Ile hoped thew would not perish the de.
leded people, • iiitoto having Gist attempted to bring
their back to a sons. of th.if dolt.
Tr. ms,q,,. of BUCKINGHAM said, that he
bed heard 6,011.i0u sitiat coill induce him to Bask
ti.e Courts of lA* two not open la the ievestigaties
of the rosolorl of the Miterliest•r Megi ; and
t I.erefor• he saw no Meson for Partiliefoffery enquiry•
Thal kit, ...en triisson 011..4 ; and the relights of
the Iced celled a farce to delude the unwary. Wets
they to pause taws they sought remedies of these
put., Ishii* tiny were. ittysiring into the events at
m.,,ce...tet ? Tail hurl heard the Coestitetios
ii,icooned • ith destiuctiou, and had seen persess,
Ilsr••fested, sod even ,sunder: d, for Irvin* their Joky.'
Weir they to 3,1,,e. Wore Oil found remedies for 1
t; e,y eta., a 1..1,1 I;.c, 0., se enquiring into the

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