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of bringing up the members of the Church of England, be
believed that it would afford education to every Prote.t
dissenter who might avail himself of th
council were determined to legislate in f
their ancestors took every pains to legislat
popery—then it was better to give up the contest at_ onc

ur of that whic

and place the Roman Catholic religion in the ascendancy.
(Hear, hear.) He contended that it was for the advantage
of the whole community that there should be an established
church ; and whenever he beard such

entitr
lamely, tha

escaped the lips of Mr. Mellor-- was for th
good of the town for no religion to be taught in a public in-
stitution, he would invariably rise up and protest agaist such
a fallacy, because he had quite a different opinion. iHear,
hear.) He concluded by moving that the standing order be
suspended.
Mr. HENRY LAWRENCE said he "vise
distinction between the two institutions in question. The
cases were, he believed, different. In the one instance there
had been a giving of some land, and in the other there was
an application for some money. He believed the Finance
Committee were of opinion that they had not any money to

not to draw a

dispose of ; but he had no hesitation in say
memorial were referred to them he should fe

:hat if the

t his duty to

oppose the grant
highly to be approved of, yet it was almos_
deed, it was a farce—to refer it to the committee.
Mr. ASPINIq4 said he had asked a question of the town-
clerk some time before, and that he had not as yet received
an answer.

Althou,

Igh the Collegiate Institution was

ridiculous

The TowN-CLEnx said the old council had agreed to give
the lease of land for £2,000, and that the present concil made
an unconditional grant of the land, and also granted the re-
version. This was what he had stated before. It was a
grant of a debt owing to the corporation. (near, hear.)
All he knew of the 'nonage was this :—lt was stated by the
applicants that it was desirable they should have a power 9f
of tnortage, and then the power was given enabling them to
to tnortage their property. Whethe: the amount of fine was
14s. and the value 21s. per square yard, he could not recol-
lect.

Mr. ASPINALL said he ITC
that it had been sold for 14s.

and repeated

ahhougl

I been valued at

Mr. AKIN said the simple question for the council to decide
was, whether the memorial should be referred.

The TOWN-CLERK said it could not be referred to the Fi-
nance Committee in defiance of the standing order.
Mr. ATKIN hoped that as a sneer hitd been thrown out
against the Mecanics' Institution, the interests of which he
had at heart, he would be perafitted to reply.
Mr. Gt./insToms said that if Mr. Aixisz were permitted to
proceed he should have something to say in reply. (Hear.)
The MAYOR thought that if the council would permit Mr.
Gladstone to withdraw his motion for the present, much
unnecessay discussion mi-
The TOWN-Cr_
than once, but had been prevented
who had risen up to speak. He

ight be avoic

LERK said he had risen to reply to it more

veial members

stood the transactiol

as to the Nlechanics' Institution to be Ems _
had petitioned for the grant of a piece of hind fo,
five years, which petition was in the time of the former coun-
cil, and the former council granted the prayer of it on the
condition that £2,000 should be paid for the land. In this
state of things the present council bad come into power, and
it was then determined that that fine should be given up, that
a reversion of the property should be granted, and that the
grant should be carried into effect by a clause in the local

seventy-

imorovement act, which was then under no
ith regard to the order of proceeding in

!lament

there were many difficulties in the way of the motion for re-
ferring the memorial to the Finance Committee. In the first
place the standing order he had read would have to be dis-
posed of; and he thought thahat standing order amounte'
to such a resolution of principle that it required
the first instance, of the intention to rescind. _..e course,
therefore,. would be, to give a notice for the next council, to
mention the memorial proposed to be referred to the Finance
Committee in it ; and, with regard to this object, to move
the suspension of the standing order. Independently of this,
however, there was another objection to the proceeding at
present, namely, that it was only by the sufferance of the
council that the memorial had been read, the council being
an adjourned one.
Mr. GLADSTONE said he had given notice at the last
council that he had a memorial to present.
The TOWN-CLERK observed that the other grt ands of ob-
jection were fatal against its reception under present
circumstances.

Ft notice, in

Mr. ASPINALL said nt
Mr. BOLTON interrupted.
clerk had already answered Mr. Aspinales question.
Mr. ASPINALL begged that he might not be interrupted
by Mr. Bolton a second tiine. He knew how to put his
questions without the interference of others. (Hear, hear.)
He wished to know whether the ground which was worth
21s had not been virtually sold for 14s. per square yard? He
remembered the circumstance well. It had occurred during
his mayoralty. It had been sold by the old corporation, and
a contract had been made between the parties. if he was
correct as to what took place subsequently, the grant, he
maintained, was one of money, and not of land. (Hear, hear.)
The TIWN-CLERK said he thought itiwould have clearly
appeared from his previous observations that the grant had
been one of money. (Hear. hear.)

He thought tt

the town-

Mr. ASPINA.LL was thankful for the explanation, because
he wanted the council to u.-iderstand distinctly that the grant
to the Mechanics' Institution had been a grant of money and
not of land. (Hear, hear.)
Mr.GLADSTONE here begged leave to withdraw his motion.
Mr. AIKIN repeated his request. He trusted that, inas-
much as certain sneers had been thrown out calculated to
injure a public institution in the estimation of his fellow-citi-
zens, he might make a few observations.
The MAYon. said the council were not ...
to discuss the merits of either one institution_or tt
Mr. EARLE hoped the mayo,
be made. Surely the mayor woul
the kind go foward to the world and not allow an explanation.
Cries of "order.") Oh ! yes, he understood the meaning of
the cry of "Order, order.' (A laugh.)
Mr. EVANS thought it advisable to discuss the question
off-hand, as it was before the public.
Mr. HENRY LAWRENCE thought a discussion of the
question unnecessary, as nothing had been said to the pre-
judice of the Mechanics' Institution.

hen in a position
)then.

would allow an explantion to
Cement of

i not I

The MAYOR repeated, that the discussion was not in order.
Mr. Auc IN was willing to bow with deference to the chair;
but he hoped, that as a reflection had been cast on an insti-
tution, and as a remedy could be brought to bear on the evil,
the opportunity of replying on the present occasion might
be afforded him.
- The MAYON. said, he did not believe that such a degree of
reflection had been cast upon it as the gentleman seemed to
think.

Mr. AIKIN reminded the Mayor of the observations which
had been made about its not affording a religious education,
and about the filling of the gaols if such a system pervaded
the country.
The MA_YOR said, he recollected the observation.
Mr. AIKIN wished to reply to such an unauthorised and
absurd statement, because it had been expressed with the
venom which generally attached to the gentleman who uttered
it. (Uproar.)
Mr. HA-RBORD rose to order.
Mr.
AIKIN said, his reply would only consist of a few

sentences. .
The MAYOR again interfered, and prevented Mr. Aikin
from proceeding.
The subject then dropped.

POWNALL-SQUARE MARKET.
A memorial from the inhabitants of St. Paul's Ward, pre-
!tented by Mr. Edwards, praying that Pownall-square Mar-
ket might be covered, was referred to the Markets Com-
mittee.

EARLY CLOSING OF THE MARKETS, &C.
The MAYOR presented two memorials, one from the
tradesmen and shopkeepers of Liverpool, and another from
their assistants, praying that all the markets in the town
should be closed at eight o'clock on Saturday evenings, and
of six o'clock every other evening.
Mr. BRIGHT, before the second memorial was read, moved
that both do lie upon the table.
Mr. COOPER hoped that Mr. Bright would consent to
them being first read.
Mr. PROCTOR thought it would be very unhandsome if
these memorials were disposed of without being read.
Mr. Alderman EARLE hoped that the very just remark of
Mr. Proctor would be borne in mind on all occasions.
The MAYOR then read the second memorial, and
Mr. JOHN SMITH observed that it was quite impossible to
close the markets at six o'clock, as requested.
Mr. BRIGHT said an arrangement between the masters
and their assistants were all very well ; but when he found a
body of the assistant shopmen and a few of the masters join-
ing in a petition to the extent of those just read, be must pro-
test against their reception. In what situation would be the
poor, who, perhaps, did not receive their wages until after
that hour, if the markets were closed at six. They might
want provisions, and they could not get them that evening,
and the following morning they had to go to work before the
markets were opened. He should move that the petitions
lie on the table.
Mr. JOHN SMITH moved that they be referred to the
Market Committee, who, he said, would make short work
of theta.

Mr. JORDAN seconded Mr. Smith's motion, and it was

carried