The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-07-15 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN!

Vail there a loam in England who did sot know that
be entertaining of these projects was confined to some
oxen or two of persons in a very obscure state of life,
nd widow any means of any description to render
hem formidable ! Yet (and what man in England
ever forget this?) it was seriously and so-
onoly d, in the report of the Lords as
ell as in that of the Commons, that the dis-
ffected persons, against whom Stostotrett's terrible
ills were levelled, aimed at a subversion of property,
be effected by a sew division of the lead. Mot-
ets, Spenceans, all were lontrd together ; all load-
] with this charge; and all thereupon made liable
he shut ap in dungeons upon the bare suspicion of
Secretary of State ! Many were so shut up, while
teir wives and children were suffering from want;
'any, from such shutting up, were ruined is their a-
irs, rained 10 their health, and one man, Air. Riky,
noble to Nippon the torment and gloom of imprison-
lent, put so sod to his existence In a dungeon !
Let that
lialtmen ; and let those who have survived the gloom
ad the torment of the dungeons of that day. exult
ith uae, Oar, they now bear a defender of the funds,
ropositge a division of the land, with as much can.
tssness as he would set about carving a pullet or a
ie. Those who exulted at the torments and the N-
otts indicted upon the "people in 1817, ought
tsoffrr. not only loss of estate; but loss of every
vin:, life only excepted ; awl Mat they ought to be
trait ted to preserve only that their suffixing* may be
rolonged. Their sufferings have, as yet. hardly be.
30 ; and, In the progress and termination of them,
e world will receive a warning the most striking
'at Providence ever furn!shed to man.

The other observation of Mr. Ricardo was this,that,
the house interfered with Peel's Bill, London world
r all in eonfeeion Me nest day; and that all would
t rain. He means, I suppose, that the paper bobble
Gold burst; and the whole race of Jews and Jobbers
cold disappear, as the slugs do before the face of a
arching con. To that corrupt, that cormorant, that
feral race, it might be total rein ; but, as to the
et about the House laterferiog with Peel's Bill, the
onse has already interfered, by the Small Nuts Bill.
he avowed object of Peel's Bill was, a return to
e ancient currency of the country ; and the
nail Note Bill, is intended to prevent, 10 101110 de-
ree, a return to that curreney. More will be done in'
e same way, during the neat Session of Parliament;
it, any rate, here Is an taterfereace. The House has
ready interfered. Let it be ob d, however, that
is man of practice about the foods, acknowledges
at the whole ling would be blown up, if Paces
ill were repealed; let it be observed that he ackoow,
dges that ; and all my readers know well, that, if i
not reputed, and the interest of the Debt not r
Iced, the men who were deepened in 1817, wil
ive ample vengeance on those who insulted them
:11 who laughed and sang and triumphed, when th
rive arrived that the troops had marched a who!
stly of petiticasert from their place of meeting into
il, without warrant, or without even a shadow of
gal proceeding. The men who stood in that jai
ad two nights and a day iu the month of Match
idt the wet dripping on them, will have to rejoice
at Sue, who then mocked them, have now to boo
melt anufserey awl sews is their tern.
It is perfectly true,that, to repeal Peel's Bill wont

rodure a blowing up. It would be an open declare
on of Bankruptcy. on the part of the dovernmeol
o man would rely on it any more. A hundred
as thing that they call three per cents. would son
II for so more than ten pomade; and. in a ohm
me, not for the price of a leg of mutton. Thi
unit!, indeed, enable the government to get rid
e ; but, (sad this is the thing!) tetrould, I
certainty, rid Me nation of Me Boringhnsongerin,
stem ! If a kgal tender be continued, and cope
ally at the mother bank, after nest May, it will b
declaration of Bankruptcy ; and a useless declare
on too, for, there mast be something more than eve
at dune to give relief. except the Debt called Na
:nal be reduced. All the struggles; all the with
gs and twisting. of the THING, will prove seitill
g. There can be no relief. without a total alten
on of the whole system ; and the only question it
Nether that shall be effected quickly, through th
ease of reform, or whether it shall be left to effee
self, in another and very different sort of way.
I now come to the speech of your Lordship, the sob
once of which was this: that you diespproved of al
bean for raising priers; to lessee taxes was the we,

relieve the land ; that the farmer would be worse o
Pxt year than this year; that it was the interest of th
ablic creditor that taxes should be reduced ; that yo
sapprorcd of the Kent Petition, and hoped the exam-
'e would not Le followed ; that he greater part of the
stress arose from the changes io the currency; that
)II had not mach pity for the Country Gentlemen, as a
'ass, they having supported the system of extravagance;
tat the effect of the Cash-measures, " had been antici-
pated by him (in a speech made at the time), by the
Loedo* facer* Petitioners, by Dr. Coppledone, and
others:' dial a large reduction of taxation was the
remedy;my that you had looked at the prim:menage
knew distance; that neither side of the noose had
one its ditty, and that you did not think much of any
f the amnions that had been made, except dines of
oar learned and hmaourable friend, the Member for
nu/irises (Mr. Broogbani) and the Honourable
'ember for York, Mr. Wyville. the former of whom
reposed to stop the sinking fund and the latter to
tire off ten or twenty millions of taxes.
I shall take these in their order. I agree withyoar
ordsloip, that nothing ought to be done to raise
Tires; I agree with you, that to take off taxes is the
ay to relieve the land, and to relieve every body else
ccept r.etax-eaters; l also agree with you; that the
mace *GI be worse off *rot year than hat this poor.
songh I cannot but recollect, that this is directly is
se 'crib of Lord FITZ% ILLI 31.11 statement to his tr.
ants when he reduced their rents last fall. the erre-
eousoess of which statement was so clearly exposed
y me in my rustic harangue at Illintingoloa, made
DOA ado that statement was .promulgated. Hat, I
ow room to 'natter much less evidently true in point
f fart, and surprisingly less reasonable is point of
pinion. I agree with you that the changes in the
mem), have been the immediate cause of the greater
sit of the distress; hut, as to your assertion, that
hose whom you call the public creditors are interested
n the reduction of taxes; and as to your disapproval
the Kentish Petition, I totally disagree aith you;
nd for the reasons which I am now about to state.
Loser down you say, that you approve of the mo-

tines of Messrs. BoomWs and WM LLB. By the
bye (to interrupt snyielf a little), though I am
aware. that your Lordship is ono of Burke'sl
Corinthian Pillars, and, of course. can take liber-
ties wholly unbecoming in thee. of the Doric
and Tutorgc order I and oat to be tolerated in Is
brick-wall and pavement mortals; though lam well
aware of this; though I make allowances accordingly,
sod am by no means disposed to affix the epithet ar-
rogant to yoir Lordship's observations. I most, se-
vertheless, be allowed to say. that. if I bad hese In
your place, and bad (from whatever came) been oh-
seat irons ney daty I. Pediment daring nineteen
twentieths of the session. I would not have taken upon
me to say that neither side of the Hoses had done its
duty; and if I bad. having been absent all the while,
erected myself Into sole judge of all that bad been
done, I would not have selected for my exclusive ap-
probation, two modeles, which kad really produeed no
eject at all, while, in my lumping disapprobation, I
included all the motions which bad taken off abort
four inillious of tarts, and, when. amongst the taxes
taken off, was a very great part, at any rate, of the
eruel, odious, and impolitic tax epos salt.
To retort' : lower down in your speech you say.
that you approve of motions of Messrs. Brougham
and ; the first, for stopping the Sioking Fund
and the latter for striking off ten or twenty millions
of taxes. Orriag, perhaps, to my beige rather nearer)
to the spot than you Lordship, I perceived no such
voodoos, made by these 'endwise.. Mr. Brougham
talked about something indeed; he talked about all
manner of things, and for a great many haunt aid,
I dare say, he did talk about the einkiag fond. He
talked; ob ! God, how he talked I but, locked, my
Lord, he never made say proposition for stopping the
Sinking Fund. Neither did Mr. Wyville make nay
proposition for taking off tea or twenty tor:Boos of
taxes. Neither of them made any dittinet proposi-
don I neither of them did any thing that had any
effect vpoa the cavalry: any thing that did any
good, or that was calculated to do any rood.
But, cease back to your proposition, that the
public creditors ought to desire each reduction of
taxes. you most suppose, then, that they ought to de-
sire a reduction of their interest; and yet, wonderful
to relate, you disapprove of the Kalish Petition !
It is impossible to account for the whims and vagaries
of some minds, from which whims sad vagaries the
Corinthian Order does really seem to be fall as mach
liable as any other. Yon would take off ten, or you
would take off twenty millions of taxes ; and yet yen
would Dot reduce the interest of the debt. Now, the
whole of the tales collected in Great Britain, iacluding
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millions a year. Take off teo ; that is to say. a eiatbi
part of the present bardeos. Will that relieve the
farmer? Your Lordship ought to kaow that it would
not be equal to the degree in which be has become

sores off during the lest eighteen months. Take off
twenty millions. Will that do ? Your Lordship
ought so know, that eves that .will not place him
where ho was at Michaelmas 1819, that is to say.
ilong after hie rein had iegeus. If be is to be worse off
nest year them thin year (though four millions of
luxes ago taken off) hew is the taking offof twenty mil-1
I lions to place him where he was eves after his roll
begun ? It is got to be supposed that you
did set emcee Im the circular letter addressed by
Gerd Fltswilliant to Ms tenants last fail. That let-
ter described things as having come to a reified
state I it described prices. u having come to their
Moat. You have now changed your opinion. You
now think that the farmer will be worse off next
year Lisa this, though four millions of taxes bare
been taken e 8 So short a time having taught you
to change your opinion upon so material a point, a
little more time may induce you to change it again ;
from which reflection the men of Kent will, doubt-
less, derive some consolation, and live le hope that
their Petition will nut long condone to be a sub-
ject of disapprobation with your Lordship.
Besides the strange potion, that the farmers are to
be relieved by the taking off of taxes so at to lore
Jody million* a year to be collected ; besides the,

strange notion that they will be able to pay the,
same rents that they paid in ninety-two, when the
whip!e of the taxes, including collection, amounted
to seventeen millions; beside the strange notion,
that they will, with the prices of ninety-two, be able
to pay their share of forty millions ut tales, and
pay their present rents, or even the rents of ninety-
j
two, into fie ltbrgain ; besides this strange, this
wild, this visionary, and. your Lordship must al-
low me to satlbis Corinthian notion ; besides this

millioOs of taxer are to be taken off? Let me
put this question to you distinctly. Will you take it
from the Army, from the Navy, from Waterloo, from
the teepetheters themselves ? Do you propose to re-
duce the half pay sad peados, ? Oh, no ; " those
" who have fought and bled" mast be paid. You
will hardly take it from the tax-gatherers that are to
collect forty millions a-year. Will you take any thing
from the Civil List ?--aad will you begin with the pen-
sions to Bork's grecutors? As to the Army, do you
really propose to collect forty millions of taxes every
year without as army? Oh, no, no man, oat of Red-
lam entertains any notion quite so mad! It is use.
less. therefore. to cry oat against the extravagance
of the government, or to say. that you do not pity
the country gentlemen who have supported that ex-
travapace. These things are all necessary to up-
hold the Debt and the Boroughs; the Debt is neces-
sary to the Boroughs ; and all the above-mentioned
things are necessary to both. The patsies' of Donut
and those to his Executors are amongst the most extra-
vagant and profligate things that have ever been wit-
nested by this oppressed nation, whom they have
cost more than ennui:phonemes( pounds already,
given to that venal scribe for being the trumpeter to
that very war, which created tbree•foarths of the
Debt, and which has finally produced ,the ruin and
(amiss that we behold. Yet, even that most extrava-
gant ■nd most profligate of all things that ever was
beard of, was necessitate° the Debt sod Borough-bye-
teen ; and, as loot as that system last, the same things
must continue to be.

It is in vain, therefore,to talk about reducing taxes,an
loupe begin with the debt.To call upon theklinisters to
pay the interest of this debt,and,at the same time,to take
from them the army, the tax gatherers, and all the
rest of what you call extravagant expenditure, is going
beyond the Cotintbian, it is going back to the Egyp.

ties, and being like Pharaoh, who would, here she
same quautity of bricks without soy allowance of
straw. But (aid hire is the rub), the debt camaot
reduced without a redeetios of the boroughs. Pe•
ter►erougb, Wm; Ferrer', and all these other mei t
sink-boles, that produce us the beaefit of the wisdom
arising from the education of the tawdry g" sweet
Wisebelsea, Kearesborougb, Caine, and all the other
sweet places, must be laid open, and, in abort, no lon•
gar bless us with keel; bundles of wisdom; or, the ie.
tercet et the debt nutlet be reduced. It is the debt
which upholds the boroughs. and the boroughs hare
created the debt. Your Lordship seems to smelt
(which is full as correct as to say that you feel) that
these dear companions are inseparable. Like Saul
and Jonathan, they have lived sweetly together; and
in their deaths they will mot be divided. This your
Lordship seem to smell; but I can assure you, that
you Will sever get twenty millions of tacos taken off as
long as they live; the conclusion therefore is, and
hippy I am that It is such, there most be a Reform of
the Parliament, or, the total rain of the pruest rocs of
Farmers and Landlords.

I used any no more as to the subject before the house ;
but, its she cisme of your Lordship's speech.
there dropped out an observation, in which I myself,
though of the brick-wall and pavement Order, cannot
kelp feeling some little personal interest. Speaking
of 19itsea. biq, , you said. tha►. " the effect of that
t‘ immure had bees anticipated by bins (you) in a
" speech made at the time; by the London Tavern
" Petitioners; by Dr. Co LLLLL vox ; and others."
Now, as to the " speech," made by your Lordship at
the tiests.io the first place. I neve► heard of it before;
I cam fimi so traces of it any where, and yet, if there
be a was, that has kept a sharper look out than my-1
self for things of this eon,' should be glad to see that
man. In the nest place, this speech. Corinthian
though doubtless it was, certainly produced no epet
upon the Parliament, who voted the measure unani-
morsly g nor did it produce any effect upon your owe
party, whe, it is perfectly notorious, were not only the
ask( supporters. Let even the inventors of tbe measure;
and who found fault of It only because it was not
more rapid in its operations: As to the Petitioners
at the London Tavern, their interference 1 very well
recollect; and. I did, " at the time," or as soon as
possible afterwards, notice the sensible speech of Mr.
Arvaroon is moving that Petition. Dr. COPPLIOTON
wrote his pamphlet late is the year 1818, or early in
the year 1819; that is to say, just before the measure
was brought forward; but let it he observed that this
humbug was a■ advocate fbr Me measure I He did,
indeed, say, there would be distress; bat be did not
,sootemplate distress like the pretest. He did not talk
*bout the rain of Lmsdlords and Parsons. He did not
talk about the transfer ofestates. This humbug thought
that nothing but paper money people were shout to be
pulled down, and that Farmers were shoot to be lower-
ed; and
place ; much less did he ever describe it. But, there
were " OTHEItS "; and why did your Lordship sot
name those other.? It was beneath a Corinthian

Mar, 1 suppose, to say, that, in 1811, from Neagate
be first warning came forth in " Parr against Oold";
bat the 4 Register" contained warming upon ware-
g fromlBl4 to 1818 ; and that fa the month of
*Ty 1816; the " Two-pettily" Trierr,Ti a Letter to
Tt . Ketepieted, before-band, not only the rain, bat
the treaste7ta of it, and the manner of it, just as it has
mew cease lo pass; to say this might have been be-
neath a Corinthian Pillar; but, then, you may be well
'assured, that the pnblic will agree with me. that the
Corinthian Pillar would have done better to say no-
thing at all about anticipation ; and, let me ob
is conclusion, that, it does seem a little strange, that

you should have thought it proper (and at this time
of day too) to refer to a speech of your owl making,
which never /need its way into prim:, while you seem
!to hays wholly forgotten writings that have passed
ithrough edition after edition, and have been read, and 1
are read. with great attention by sovery large • por-
t ton of the people. Ab! Lord Milton, your stomach
ust come down, or, the consequences will be such as.
ith all your powers of foresight. you do not seem to
"anticipate" in the smallest degree. It is a strange
thing that none of you can perceive how much credit
you world get by acting the manly part as to this
matter; and, which is of full as much importance,

what a triumph you give me every lime you act
a part of a contrary character. I am more than
half convinced, that your disapprobation of the Keist•
leA petition arose from the same identical feeling,
which made you recollect your own and Dr. Coma-
,rot's anticipations ; but I am also convinced, that
the county of Kent, participating in no such feeling,
will remain satisfied with what it did, your Lordship's
disapprobation notwithstanding; and this I know to a
certainty, that if the rest of the nation do not follow
the sensible example, the suffering in consequence will
belong muds more to the Corinthian Pillars than to
the Order of Brick-wall and Pavement.

1 am, Sir, ,your Lordship's most obedient,
And most bumble servant,
Wm. C

Yesterday the King attended divine service at the
Chapel !loyal, St. Junes's. The Doke of York war
also present. and accompanied his Majesty on his re-
tiro to his Palace in Pall• Mall.
Mr. Secretary Peel bad an audience of the King on
Saturday.
The Earl of Liverpool being recovered from his in.
disposition, left town on Saturday accompanied by
Colonel Jenkinetic' for Coombe %Vona. '

The Royal Sovereign yacht la *Hared to be fitted
for the conveyance of the Prises gad Princess of Den-
mark, on their return to Copeohagen.
His Majesty's yacht the Royal George, Commodore
the Hon. Sir Charles Paget, will go oat of the har-
bour on Tuesday next. Sir Charles returned to his
seat, Fair Oak, this morning, after inspecting the pro-
gress at the equipment. Ells Majesty is not expected
to embark before the first week in August. No inti-
mation has been given that it is his Majesty's inten-
tion to go to Scotland in his yacht, as stated in the
London papers this week.--.(Hamphire Telegraph.)
The King. has, within these few days, approved of
plane for further alterations and improvements in his
old Palace at St. James':., in which are arrangements
for the company attending his Majesty's Courts, to be
set down at one place sad takes op at another.
The balletic of July 11, from Endsleigh Cottage,
sates that the Duke of Bedford bad an excellent
night, and was gobs( on well.