The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-06-14 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN,

So lopsfesek u the time of the Usioe, Pit geessien of'.
tithes was ised to he set at rest, aed now. 22 years
aftrrwa sr thew gin! bed not been re- i
deemed. use necessary le the tranqedlitv of
the nun 'add doubt. - It bad always lieu
the soar mottattee, aed the fact was, that le GM'
late disorders, t hoop conaties were molt disturbed whets
the potatoe tithe was exacted. was decisive on the q
Lion. For all the evils described to he oessequat eine
the tithe system, he knew brat one remedy, sad thatwes
comonatetion. But whatever was the ready, it was
the duty of tiovernmeet to apply it, and being con.
vinced that the =easing of the Right Hen. Oestletaan's
measure was to put off a real remedy, be protested
against the house adopting it, sad supposing they had
applied a remedy. He thought it better to wait a few
months longer, when the Right Hen. Secretary would
be better acqesinted with the nature of the evil he had
to deal with. He was sorry to oppose the introduction
of a measure of this kind ; and would not do so could
be think that any modification of it would be available
to the intended purpose. He did sat. however. this&
that it could in any way be transformed Into an e&
eient measure of remedy ; and he repeated that he de•
precated the measure being received by the house, lw
cause he was sure it would have the effect of lulling
the house and the country into a supposition that the
important question of the-tithe system of Ireland wee
at rest. v•
Mr. PLUNPETT earnestly hoped that leis Right Hem
Friend woulduot oppose this Bill at the outset: It
would not be s Mr dealing with the Goviorneeet of the
country, called on as they were to introduce, a remedial
measure. to interpose at the outset, before its details
could be known. He dallied that this Dill would stand
is the way of an ulterior measure foucded upon the
general principle of commutation; on the contrary, be
thought it world rather facilitate it. by establishing a
1
nearer principle of valuation. For his owe part, be
avowed that he could sot see his way through the prim
ciple of conunetatios. First, on what principle would
they compete? Would they gin the clergy what was
called a fair and liberal retineration, or would they elect
an arbitrary standard ? The difficulty was how to touch
the property of the church without affecting the rights
of property of every other description. Suppose they
were to take the broad ground of right in their stale of
estimate—thee they must practically levy a larger sum
than the clergy collected. for the actual receipts were
1 20th titan I.loth. Bat the great diScnlty ie
the way of commutation was to draw a didiection be
tweet church and other property. His apprehension was,
that if thoy opened the chapter of the church. they would
be next called upon to open the chapter of the laadlord.
—(Hear.) He must, from his own prufessioeal ripe.
rience, deny that tithes were. as his Right Hon. Friend
supposed, the cause of local disturbances in Ireland, un-
less se far as tithes were as iegredient ie property.;
for it was against property that the issabordinadoe was
directed, and against that alone. and certainly no far-
ther against tithes than as they constituted a part of the
charge upon land. His Right Hoe. Friend attributed
the disturbances in the southern districts to the collec-
tion of the tithes on potatoes. Now, it was clear that his
conjecture who erroneous, for the disturbances in the
year 1820 first commenced in the counties of Galway.
Roscommon, Sligo, and Mayo, wheys sto tithe on
potatoes bad ever been levied.—(Hear.) The great mis-
take was in imputing every thing to thithes, whiaai were CRIMINAL INFORMITION.
in fact only a coexisting ingredient. Take, On lestisice, Mr. Serjeast VAUGHAN moved ter a rale to thew
the alma/nines of relief which the absence of all Odin
cause why a criminal information should not be filed
furnished, look at them in land which was tithe free, ea
compared with land exposed to their charge, sad how against a Magistrate of the county of Nottingham,
were the tenants affected? Why, the real fact was, and for corruptly convicting a person tinder the late sta-
he was prepsreti to demonstrate It by a refereece to facts tote of 1 tieo. IV. pasted for the purpose of eurnum.
within his own knowledge, that in die price if the lead rilv punishing offendere guilty of malicious trespasses
°Pe" the teelee• Id" lamer bed I. ansthee* the pro' or injuries to real property,. •&-c. The offence of
perdu •la die aimpiauf siawt •
are exacted is tithes. 'lmre would o• mtiselt.theapesesa in question was convicted, and for
land
rd with three chilliest acre fa tiams. wiiski he was fiscal. was io levelling a hank, erected.
landlord (where the land was tithe:freeplevied I2s. for a* was alleged, I. obstruedoe of a public highway,
rent.—(Hear) lie complaind ierthe irregularity of and it was suggested that the convicting Magistrate
discussing this bill on its first introduction, instead of had himself used the way in question, and knew that
waiting to understanding Its details, which would, he re' it was dedicated to the public. Such an offence. It
prated, convince its present opponents that they bed tele was contended, was not within the Act. The affideo
taken its character. As to the clergy. be must always
Ito% , did not disclose all the eircemstasees
defend their characters from the unjust Impel/aloes cull tits,
upon them.—(llear.) under which the conviction took place, and therefore.,
Mr. S. RICE said, that after the -observation which The COUKT said. that unless it distinctly appeared ,
fell from the Attorney-Oeneral for Ireland,' no oue Cult' that the Magistrate acted from a corrupt motive. they
entertain the hope that a cowenntration would take place, ought not to interfere in this extraordinary manner.
without which, carried into a full, fair and just effect,
there could be no efficient remedy to the evils, which the If it could be proved that he had acted corruptly, he
might be indicted; but upon affidavits so defective,
tithe system produced in !raised. It was on a COONII- • .
tation the happiness of Ireland mainly depended. t motive -se
they were not bound to assume a corrup .
declared the measure of the Right Hon. Secretary id be Rule refused.
entirely inefficient. He asked the Right Hon. Oentle• MR. MURRAY.
man if be- would accede to the appointoseat of a Coin- to TUE NATTER or Di WOLF AND •NOTIIIIR.
mission emanating from Government, which. it some The SOLICITOR-GENERAL shewed canal against p
hither period, should examine bow. tar a commutation rule uh;ained lett term by Mr. Retch, calling on Mr,
could be carried into effect, and report the result of their Charles Murray to show cause why he should not at
inquiry to 'the House. He believed nothing could be
liver a bill of costs and disbursements, and pay into
done without using s gentle violence towards7Nl*4km ;
and till that was tried, it was is vain fur Irish Members Court such balance of money in his hands as should
to call on thews for the adoption of say useful measure, be found due to persons named De Wolf, for whom,
Mr. D. BROWNE declared himself in favour of a and other American citizen, he had been retained
commandos of tithe% not only as necessary to the peace some years since, as agent in conJactiog an appeal
and happiness of Ireland, but to the security of the esta- snit in the Admiralty Court here, against a condemns-
Wished Church i• that part of the Milted -Kingdom.—
He could state from fifty years' nuance, that all the touchingofin which the parties helot e.
ion In the Vice-Admiralty Court, at Barbadoes,
• cargo slaves,
troubles which bad taken place le Ireland bad their ori-
gin in the tithe system. It was his decided conviction mentioned were interested.
that Ireland could never be tranquil while that system At the suggestion of the Court, it was agreed
. to
existed, He shoold rot tomes* the introduction of the refer all matters in difference to Mr. Alderson, it be
present measure, ear even its ultimate adoption, because ing thought that that was the better mode of adjusting
he was persuaded it would not tend to impede the prin. all the rights of the parties, and the case was referred
ciple of conintutatioe, which .he believed to be the only „curd icaly.
effectual remedy. . - .._....--
Mr. DAWSON said b Mai beard arguments from HIOH COURT OF ADMIRALTY, JUNE 11.
both sides of the kommuspecting Ike Ecclesiastical Ell, TR! JULIANA.
tablishtuent in !relied. which he conlii by no minuted- We bays already reported the former proceedings
mit. He was ready to support eke present, useasere. .
because he sincerely believed it was the best that could JO this case. . A quettton was reserved, as to whether
be adopted, under, all the circumstances of the case. the seamen were entitled to wages for such part 011
The property of the Church, he contended, was as inalien- die J nlisna's voyage as, by reason of her loss, was not
aisle as aoy other species of property in the empire. aerformed. It was argued, that so freight haying'
The nee- nlen'b'r 'ben defended the conduct of OF Seen earned. no wages were payable, freight being
Irish Chatty generally. and maintained that, as a body,
the mother-of wages,
they behartal towards their parishioners in the most one
Dr. JENNE:I and Dr. LIIIIIINOTON this morning I
exceptionable manner. He than referred to some calcu-
lations, to show that the Clergy never demanded their declared that they haul not been able to find any cases
tithes to the full amount. The great source of the exie. that bore°, the present qnestion.
in;; evil he believed to be the iniquitous Law of Eject. j• . •Loill Nroweat. thonght this a very clear case. The ,
meat, by which all the grazing lands were exerispt from `party wee emitted to his wades for the whole of the
tithes in tunny Part* of hailed. That law had itsorigin ihue up to ell voyage from Calcutta. If the ship was,
with the Irish Parliament, and he thought that the •
it• in the citrus*, of this latter voyage. it was clear
sooner it was got rid of the better. The enforcement of
t the woes nothing. Wls-ther they had
it in the province of Munster necessarily drove the Clergy ,
(Jr a C 011Ipen11,tiOn to the potatue crops. 0.-rd tiatieselv.a nsurance or sett e Mis did not
Mr. S. RICE, explained. -appear: but here tile neve and millers wre kart
Captain O'llttADY thought the tithes bad become a Atte. ere---it was a common calamity. The Court bad
friat evil n•ith respect to which something *nicht to be NO doubt that the emu ioers thews: lees contributed u-
dder. Ile, for one, should oppose any tnetuntra that thing to that "ta,„lty : but as the contract entered
went to give the Clergy a larger InCOlllO than they now .
enjoyed, as in his judgment they already received too II between the sealueu and owners ran 'hut. "so
mech. He dwelt at some length on the evils which op- - pir month." that must be the rule by which
pressed Ireland, and which be considered the offspring thi "asthma was to he decided. It seemed, that
of the tithe system. He had seen'tto plan of commute- the Juliana did ant carry a cargo. aboard. to
tion with which he entirely concurred, and he therefore Us 'a. yet she went to Batavia, and took a cargo
thought it desirable to amend she present system where from• hew& This was le the nurse of her long voy:
they coalii. He thought some changes necessary in the
are: The seines found employment in the voyage to
Ecclesiastical Courts of Ireland, and saggested severs' -
Cale sail freight was eared at every place ha
alterations which be thought would be improver/eels..
These adopted, and the tithe system geneaniy ameliti. at 1 aria.
.fa world be filiiiiiff the matter on the
rated, he was satisfied that thine distarbancee which at toast incouvenieet tootles if any stipulations of the
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present affiliated Ireland. would be heard of so more.
lie trusted the :louse would, ere long, adopt some deci-
sive measures to accomplish these objects.
The Magee.% of LONDONDERRY observed that his
!light Hon. eriensi had folly explained the nature of
the Bill he intend-4 to introduce. The whole subject
was now under his ennaisleration ; and the only question
was, whether levee should be given to heirs in the bill.
Ile wosid never consent to say alteration in the system,
like those adopted in other countries, under the in-
fluence of principles that had nearly desolated the
world. The great evils arising from tithes would be
cured by this Gill. which would be a great boon to Ire-
land. He deprecated the hastiness with which Gentle-
ness bad gives opinions as to commutations of tithes;
for the estate of the church should he treated like the
private property of any individual ; and he should be
shocked If kitty other idea was held ont on this subject,
se the right of one party was at sacred as the other.
Sir It N ELL explained.
Mr.IIUfCIIIIYSUN was disposed to vote for the
bringing in of ;his Bill, without pledging himself here-
after to give it Is support ; because he would not allow
Ministers an opportunity of saving that they had been
thwarted in all their plans for Ate benefit of leaved. by
the Opposition.—Previons to the Union with Ireland,
Mr. Pitt had declared-the tithe system to be one of the
greatest grievances of Ireland ; and he hoped the Nr•ble
Lord would hear that declaration in his mind, in any
measure which he might devise for the relief of that
country.
Mr. -t %MEW' spoke in favour of a commutation. -
Mr. LAIN said he disapproved of any plan short of •
commutation, and a total change of system, restricting
tithes it Ireland.
• Sir N. COLTHURST 'teetered it as his opinion, that
with a view to the tranquillity of Ireland, a commuta-
tion of tithes was nee sssss y.—(ilear, bear.)—lty corn-
unttstion be meant a fair equivalent to the clergy for
the income they now possessed ; such a change was even
wished for by the clergy themselves.
Colonel FOSTER opposed the. Bill.
' Captain O'GRADY explained.
Mr. It. MARTIN slid he world vote for bringing
in- the Bill, and he believed he should support it in all
its stages.
Colonel FORD said he would support the motion of
his Right Honourable Friend, as i stepping.stone
to the final settlement of the questirid of- tithes in
Ireland. •
The motion was then carried without a division.
NAVAL AND MILI I'ANV PI.:SAMNA BILL.
The House resolved itself into a Committee on the
above bill. Some verbal awntitnents were agreed to
upon the motion of Mr. thenfell.
Mr. HUME entered his protest against, the absurd
and ridiculous plan of the Right Hon. Gentleman. lie
thought it would he more expedient to have recourse to
the Sinking Fund at once.
The resolutions were agreed to, the house resumed,
and the report was entered to he received to-morro o.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of,
end the Bosse adjourned at half.past eleven o clock.

LAW INTELLIG EXCH.
COURT OF KING'S BENCH, Jogs 13.

11*

kind which Lad been pleaded in this cue. were to its
incorporated into the mariner's contract. This would
ocnrally give rife to many misrepresentations. The
p.arties (the sailors) might know nothingsbent them;
the contract might assume gait, a different form from
any thing which they had an idea of; or it might be
'matter of previous agreement between the freighter
and fro igistee. The sailor in this ease had earned his
wages fairly ensue); let under antis a contract he
would have no means of defending 'himself. The
Court therefore. having already admitted that the
owner war entitled to freight FOR the last voyage,
had no heaitstion in saying th .1 tbcaailor was entitled
ur to that time.

The Curs afterwards observed, that it was at a loss
to aerosol for the ntistpprebension which seemed to
have got foto the hooks of reports, to the effect that
a different rule prevailed in these cases in the Admi-
ralty Coert fro ei w►at obtained at Common Law.—
The three owe meationed by East (the one decided
by Lord Holt, souther which went op to the Lords,
and a third which was heard is Chancery) were all
decided un principles perfectly is unison with each
other.

I \SOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT.

IMPORTANT INPORMITION TO Pi RRONI INDSR TED TO

issotrours tx COSTODY.
The Cuter Cousmasrutrea expressed himself se
folio When an Insolvent files Lis schrdsle is
this Court, the Creditors inspect it, and finding some
goo.l di.bts due to the estate, go away satisfied. sad de
not oppose his discharge. In the interim, hetweea
such inspection and the day of hearing the delotrare
outlasted without any application to tLe Court to do
so, atoll innocent parties are induced to pay mosey fa
Iheir own wrong. Let it be made as panel, know*
as possible, both for the Isfisrmatista of the public, to
whom it is an important matter, at well as forth* sake
of the dignity of the Cone'. that on the vest recur.
more of a similar case, the order for hea.ing will be
distuissed, and the offender remanded to enstudy."
SUMMER Aratzta.—Yesterday morning the Judges
assembled in the Private Citualtor, at the Court of
King's Bench, linihiball, Westminster, fur the purpose
of choosing their Circuits at the en‘uing Sommer As-
sizes, when the following arrangements were ntade.riz:
Home CIRCEIT.—The Cuss, BARON ikit Sir T. ALLA,'
PA RN.
NORTIIRRNhief Jastice ABBOTT and
Sir J. Barter.
MIDLANO Barna OIDINAN and Sir G. P.
Houton,.
WIESTIRN Uncut To—SiT J. FLICIARIMMIN and SirJ. Boa.
ROUGOS.
Nonrotat CIRC.-ff.—Sir W. DALLAS and Sir Wm. D.
BEST. •
OXFORD CIRCOIT.—Mr. Baron fisaaosr, and Mr. Ser.
grant HI twos is spoken of is theroom of Mr. Baron
Woon.

•
Awi ...any MERSIN° Of rss CRAIRITY ClllLD-
REN.—Yesterday the Anniversary Meeting, of the
Children of both left's, educated is the Charity Schools
of the Cities of [Ando§ and Westoistter, Borate' ot
Southwark, sad other parts of the 'metropolis, we, Ce-
lebrated at the Cathedra/ Church of St. Pawl. Before
twelve o'clock upwards of 8.000 of dam bad awe..
bled le the Cathedral. About twelve o'clock his
Royal Iligheess the Duke of Glescester Presides, el
the limitation, arrived. attseded by CoLeaul Higgies.

immediately afterwards the perforates's*, cosy aesced.
with the 100th Psalms, whieb was sting by the child-
res. After the service the children left the Cathedral
in the sane order is which they entered. The patrol's
and supporters of the isstitatios repaired to the Old
Load** Tavern to dingier. A subscription was mule
after dinner, which atnousted to upwards of 3101.
and a handsome collection was made at the Cathedral
doors.

INFORMATION TO Mani/nat.—ln consequence of
a representation made to the Committee for managing
the affairs of Lloyd's, that the crew of a vessel which
was wrecked last winter near Beachy Head. might
have been saved bad there been say place of refuge on
the cliffs, they entered into a correspondence with
their *agent at Newhaven on the subject, and having
ascertained that caverns might be eat at a moderate
expense, they snbruitted tl•.e 'abject to the enbstriberss
and it having met with their approbation. six corers:,
with entrances three feet wide, and eights of steps
nA
feet in height. terminating in an apartment 8 feet
square, have been cut In the cliffs betwein Cadman
and Besehey Head, and a place called Derby's Cave
repaired, by which meals mariners and passengers
ho may be unfortunately *reeked on that part of the
coast of Sussex will now fad a safe place of refuge
from t* e dangers of the seas.
NAPOLEON trs Extta."—A Work of considerable
io , under this title, is elitc,ed to eppiar in the
course of the present month, very similar ht style to the
entertaining Life of Johnson, by Boswell. It consists
almost entirely of Napoleon's own remarks, ie his rows
words, written down at t►e moment, during three years
of the most toren:rained communisation, and %Taisho,
in a way that could probably never have been model-
pater!. details of all the remarkable events of his life.
public and private—Characters of kis Ministate sad Ile-
malls—State secrets of the.various Courts of &wept—
the development of hie Foreign and Domestic Policy—
Anecdotes of his Campaigns, and indeed illustrations of
most of the extraordinary Otantrelleell and persons which
harr astonished the world duriag the last half centun•.
in a axle which carries with it its ewe evidersce,
tad Zs
sustained by facts known only to the distinguished isdi-
vidual by whom they were related.

HARBIN'S.
On Tuesday the 11th last: at Edmonton Church. Mr. Ed,
Bowles Hammond, of Edmonton, to Miss Sarah Parkin, of
the same pla..e.
on Tuesday the 11th inst. at Wandsworth, W. H. West.
Esq. to Llizaheth Dorothy Bly lb, both of the use place.
1 esterds), the 13th inst. at St. Martin's la the Fields, the
I Res. Joseph Ounerta Ostrehen. to Ana', youngest daughter
of Robert Wilily. Raq. of Buckingham-street.
Yesterday, the ISM inst. at M. 011ee't Church, Cripple-
gate, Mr. Joseph Yallowiey. to Miss

DIED.
At Kentish-town, atbs 10di Instant. Mrs. Jaws Tall( f.
aged ti 7.
On like 12:h just. at bls Wen Is Rad Llos-sqvare, Wo.
Duff, Esq. of !v jehUlaa•laaa.

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