The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-17 00:00:00

•F HE QUEEN.

NOCSE OF LORDS.—(Tars hloantire.)
After prayers, which were read at the usual hour,
tie perm were called over. Several Lords were
„owl for 'whom senses assigned upon honour; and
tbe &loiters were the Earls of Pow is and Honouglinmere.
A person from one of the public offices presented, in
Aseiesce to their Lordships order, an Account of the
games incurred by the present proceedings against
te;mai„tv._firilered to lie on the table.
Counsel were then called in.
The ease CiIANIAILLOII rose and stated, that he had
on' carefully looked over the evidence since the
Wet smljourned yesterday, and with the view to ye-
eerie; their Lordships from the difficulty in which they
plated by the discussion as to the inadmissibility of
objected evidence relative to the attempted eorrup-
flea of the witnesses, he had to propose, that their Lord-
atoleoulci take the opinmen of his Majesty's Learned
Jahn, se to the practice of the Courts below in cases
simile so the present. In so great and important a
roe ss that now before their Lordships he should be
„purse consider the acts of Vilmacarti, the Milan Ad-
man, 'pen narrow grounds ; and he should, there-
fore, suggest, that in the proposed question
&la Li once be considered an agent, leaving the
onus tin the opinion of the Learned Judges in
the folleeisce form. "If in a trial of an
Neon, or of an indictment, evidence had been
gins upon the cross-examination of a witness
Misr the pia:reit or prosecution, 'or upon the
examination iu chief of a witness for the defendant or
primmer, from
,which evidence it might be inferred
dot A. 8., not a witness, bad been employed as an
spat for the plaintiff or prosecutor, to collect wit-
nesses; and if it should then be offered to be proved
that A. B. had of C. H. money, fur the purpose
of corrupting him, and inducing him to give evidence
for the plaintiff or prosecutor, and nu previous proof
had been :tiered that A. B. bad been authorised by the
plaintiff or prosecutor to makesuch curs opt offers, would
such offered evidence be received in the courts below ?" ,
His Lordship said, that this course appeared to be
the only mode by which their Lordship could disen-
gage tbenerlves from their present difficulty, and see
their way with clearness. His Lordship concluded
by marine, that the question he had read should be
sub:eined to the consideration of the Judges.
Earl User rose.—lle said, that so lung as their
Lordships were resolved to adhere to the strict rules
of agency, it was clear that they could not receive
evidence with respect to the practices of any parties
shaken in corruptiag the witnesses brought to their
exdships' Bar in this case. The Commissioners
Brewas and Powell were known to collect evidence
of the charges brought in this case ; hut non constoe:
that as? one act of theirs, for procuring witnesses,
was listliorieed. If they were to be limited therefore
to the slid rules on this occasion, the objection of'
carsa ern I.!nmissible. But, he apprehended, those
roles ine4it nut to limit them in the present case.
The rules of agency applied excht,ively to civil
sakes ; notwillostandin4 what Noble Lora opposite
AR, ice present' was a criminal proceeding, and
see of the highest description. He must, therefore,
that the rules which regulated a civil action, •
sere tot..lly inapplicable to a proceeding i f this nature.
And if any question were to hr put to the Judges, he
should wish it t h be the following. Supposing a
prosecution to take place for a capital offence; for this
was nothing else, because the penalties to be inflicted by
this Hill were, ue a person of high station and honour,
inliiiite!y inece severe than the loss of life, whether
in such a prosecution evidence of an attempt on the '
part of the prosecutor's agent to corrupt the witnesses
should be received. '1 his, he thought, was the true
state of the question and he must contend, that
whether ae!o;cy were proved or not, the question of
the Counsel was the same, to spew to their Lordships
thecae a•teompt had been made to pervert justice.—
(ilear.,—l he etfert of subornation of the witnesses
was to dtpiive an of something more va-
luable than life, character and houour.—(Hear, hear.)
He did nut thinh it a possible objection, as urged by a
Kale Lord 'Tr). its, that they ought not now to
tarn round 41111 charge what had beets their practice
throughout time whole proceeding hitherto, to
adhere to the rules of th • courts below. He
thought that when there was a suspicion of cor-
rupt evidence bring bronght forward to impose
a false rase on their Lordships, they were bound to
is pli;e in;o the fuundation of that suspicion, unless
they mean! to shut their ears to all the evidence that
might be offered at that bar, for the purpose of shew-
tag that the whole of the case, on the part of the pro-
secution was a conspiracy. gut up by bribery and cor-
ruption. (Cheers.) He put it to their Lordships,
whether or nut, the ends of justice reenired that this
species of evidence should be received. If they
tamed *lair backs upon it, they could not appear
;Irene that pnhlic, whine good opinion they must be
anxious :o conciliate in a ca,e of this description, in that
point of view which it was was must desirable they
should.
Lord loreneone commenced by observing that, wise-
they the present proceedings were of a civil, or a crimi-
nal nature, he was content to hare that topic of discus-
sion left out, and to leave all that remained to be ad-
sauced on the subject, as on a criminal proceeding. In
this view uf the wetter, he must observe. that he thought
the shole view taken by the Noble Lord who had ,just
spokeh, as altogether founded on a mistaken notion.
lle knew not what might be time opinion of the
Judges, sod he should therefore postpone the toestion
of what ronr.e ought to be taken by the House in this
ease till after that decision had been pronounced. But
the question fur the consideration of the House
was, um whether it was expedient at this stage of
the ease to admit evidence aids respect to the corruption
of the witnestee, but whether such evidence had any
gun of application with the issue. The Noble Lord
said, that this was a criminal prosecution, for a capital
offence,and he should not shrink from the discussion
under that point of view. It was said, if a qnestiou
tame before you, relating to the suborning'''. witness...,
ought you nut to examine it ? He was ready to admit
that they ought, if it could be shown that witnesses
were suborned for this cause. If it could be shown that
witnesses were corrupted, that it had been attempted to
corrupt them, or that they were themselves corrupting,
he admitted that such evidence ought to be admitted.
the question, he apprehended, no not whether there
was a Conspiracy to corrupt witnesses, but whether it
applied to the present rause or to others. He MIA sey.
that with relation to the question at issue. heartald not

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' see how it was affected ; and he did think, thit before I
evidence of that nature was to be produced, the agency
ought to be clearly established first.
Lord EasaiYs rose to address the House. In the
commencement of his speech, we regret, that he she al-
most inaudible below the Bar. He wished to know
whether in this extraordinary case, in a proceeding now
nialous to the law of the land, should all theadvantages
be withheld from the illustrious accused. and should
she be subjected to all the disadvantages attendant
upon the proceeding? He would suppose this • cri-
minal prosecution for a conspiracy against the Queen,
that he was the prosecutor. He (Lord Erskine) would
commence by proving the acts of that conspiracy, and
the means that are taken, and employed, and be would
then proceed to bring these acts bonus to the persons
accused. He then referred their Lordships' to a trial at
the Old Bailey, for a conspiracy to compass the life of
the King. His Noble Friend on that occasion com-
menced his speech to the Jury, by proving the acts of
that conspiracy, and then bringing these acts home to
the conspirators. The decision of their Chief Jus-
tice, and his learned brethren, on that occasion, met
with his fullest approbation. This was the law of Eng-
land, and this was the manner in which their Lord-
ships should proceed. They were first to see if the eon-
'piracy existed, and then bring it borne. First to
warn:tie then to Colonel Bruises, and then to the Prose-
enter in this case. This was the way they should pro-
ceed. licit if they refused this evidence, he would believe
this conspiracy slid exist, and he would decide accord-
isgly.—(llear, hear.)—Wuuld the House make no dis-
tinction between what was probable, and what was
not. He implored their Lordships, a. they valued the
honor of that House, and no man felt more strongly
interested for the honor and dignity of the Aristocracy of
England than he did, not to pursue this line of conduct.
Ilearl)—Ile would ask the Noble Earl oppo-
site (Lord Liverpool), without calling on him to deride
un this question, whether if at the commencement of that
proceeding lie had known as touch as he did then.
would he have given his consent to this proceeding ?
If he would, he (Lord Erskine) bad tormed a must
erroneous opinion of that Noble Lord's character.
The evidence in support of such a measure, should hare
been clear and unsuspected; but even with suds as hail
been prZiduced, the chain of evidence was not complete.
They could not proceed unless they let in the light
which this part of the evidence would throw upon the
proceedings. Ile sought to let it in. not because such
an admission would he in violation of the practice of
the courts below, but because those courts had never
had to decide upon such a castes this. And he declared
to tiod, that if lie presided in a Court of Law to-morrow,
and such a case were to come before him, he would
admit such evidence. All he asked of their Lordships
was, to allow them to show proof of a conspiracy, :gni to
endeavour to bring the proceedings as near as they
could to the semblance of justice. Ile trusted at least,
that their Lordships would not think of this as of a
common case, where they might have no reason to doubt
the purity of the evidence' and that they would not,
therefore, he governed by the same formalities whirl
might apply to such a case. Unless they acted upon the
principles which he had laid down, the English public I
would never be satisfied, whatever might he the issue of
the case. (The Noble Lord was frequently so inaudible, I
that we could only collect seatteted parts of a spree's, :
that seemed to produce great effect upon the Noble
Lords around him).
Lord Lat•nren.itc said, that the question now ap-
peared to him to be, whether their Lordships should
abandon all the rules of evidence which their haul at
liras prescribed to themselves. awl all :lent icier/ epistle
Those rules were as applicable to the most important and
highest cause as they were to the meanest and the lona.
est. He contended that Vilunicarti's agency to the
31ilan Commission had not been proved, although it
might be doubtful whether lie was not the agent of
Col. Browne. lie wished that the question should be
snbnatted to the Judges, fur although lie did not consi-
der himself bound by their opinion, yet lie thought •
of it with the greatest respect, and_ thought it
might he generally acted on with safety.
Lord Ross tam felt souse difficulty in stating his opi-
nion to the House. after what had so ably fallen from his
Noble and Learned Friend near him. ilia Noble Friend
(Lord Lauderdale) had said, ought they not to he bonus!
by the rules of evidence, because they were the hest
general rules, calculated to elicit truth ?—He (Lord R.)
would admit the reasons, and he would admit the
grounds, for there were generally two parties of oppo-
site interests ; and if evidence was admitted, contrary
to rule, in favour of the one, it must detract fr the
interest of the other: and the rain of an individual
might also be the loss of the public. But in these pro-
ceedings, strictly speaking, there was no party on the
one side; and their Lordships were trying whether they
should alter the existing law of the conutry, to make a
new crime, and to exacta new puni>lanient. They were
now in their legislative capacity, and considering a
question of expedience. A conspiracy hall been charged,
and were their Lorilships to refuse the proof which
had been offered, in support of such a charge ?
But if it were offered to be proved that foreign agents
hail stepped out of their situations for the purposc of
lending themselves to the views of corruption, and had
successfully so lent themselves, slid the Noble Lord op-
posite mein to contend, that even that evidence should
out be received ? But he would go further, for the alle-
gation was, that British as well as Foreign Agents had
been engaged in this nefarious transaction ; and that al.
legation was met by this notable answer : you enlist
confine yourselves to proof of the corruption of the wit-
nesses in this case.' The fallacy of the Regiment
must be obvious upon a single nionseues reflection.
How was the required proof to be obtained ?
Was it to be drawn from the months of the roe-
rnpted witnesses themselves. or in what other way
would Noble Lords be good enough to suggest that lb**
required proof could be given? If those Noble Lords
contended, that the witnesses used: prove their own Cor-
ruption. that argument was met by even a two-fold
answer. In the first place. he apprehended a witness
could not be legally asked whether he had received a
bribe. But if he could be so asked, he (Lord R.) would
wish to be informed, whether in common sense it was
to be supposed, nay. was it ever to be believed. that a
man who had received a bribe, the wages of his perjury,
would inform the Judges that he had so received it.—
(Hear, bear.)—The answer to such an argument was in-
deed so palpable, that it became almost unnecessary anal
superfluous to go over it. From this palpable answer it
must be perfectly clear, that the poor of corruption,
conspiracy and subornation was in general only to be
discovered by their failure.—(Hest, hear, hear.)—He
would even ask their Lordships whether they should not
consider such an interference as bail been proved, bad it
taken plaredurin; the proceeding*, a gross conicity! of
that House, and liable to severe and exemplary punish-
ment accordingly. Having stated the ground upon which '
lie considered the present question' lie haul merely to
state very shortly that be considered the connection be-
tw. en Vilamearti awl the prosecutors as completely borne
set and established by the evidence. Powell was an
avowed meet, be was n ot only b
avowed at he was ac-
credited and appeared, Vifisuwarti was in connection
with Powell, and he (Lord K.) considered the agency of
Viimscsrti as not only virtually and sabstamially, bet
legally and technically made oat. Powell bad indeed,
at that very Bar. proved his own agency, and the tea-
section between him and Vilumcarti was undeniable.

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Upon that question he sitonlil therefore not waste an-
other *ord ; but he should offer a very short remark
upon the attempt which hail been made in considering
this question to put the Milan Commission oat of
view altogether. It was as prudent to do so; but the
object could not escape the must superficial observation,
that Commission and its acts were connected with, he
had almost said formed, a part of these proceedings. If
the collection of witnesses, the examining them in pri-
rate, and the swearing them in private, for the future ;
purposes of the prosecution; if these were not to be
considered as forming a part of the proceeding or at
least a connection with it. lie knew not how the Houle
could administer, or pretend :o administer justice ; for
by the acts he hail mentioned, he conceived that the
truth was poisoned in its very source.—(Hear, bear, I
hear.)—" If," said the Noble earl, " your Lordphips
reject the evidence now offered, I can see no safety left for
any man from the highest to the lowest, I can see no
security that your Lordships will not be drawn into
measures that you may afterwards have too much reason
to repro' ; and I can only add, that you will convince
the public of the justice of those reproaches by which
the Parliament has been assailed, anti you will bring
nothing but discredit on your measures, and disgrace
upon yourselves.—(('beers).
Lord 31axNellS rose, and shortly expressed his dissent
1 from the opinion of the Noble Earl who had last spoken;
but the observstiosis of the Noble Lord were offered in
a tone, so as to he scarcely audible across the table.
He considered it indispensably necessary, that the re- I
Won of principal and agent should be established, be-
*re env evidenee whatever were permitted to be beard.
which might hare a tendency to affect their principal.
It appeared, that under the Aldan Commission, certain per-
sans
had been employed, with the view to inquiries which
laid the foundation of the present proceedings. These
persons loud appointed agents, and their legal sets were ,
dearly admissible. Hut to receive the evidence now offered, I
would be to subvert all the ends of justice; for It would
place it in the power of every unprincipled fellow, without
any authority. to disqualify the wit ln any ease. It
could. in short. teed to the total defeat of justice. Ills
Lordship thought the /louse could not do better than pro-
ceed by the clearly established rules of Law, which had
stood the test of experience, and had been found to be the
must effectual means of discovering the truth. His lewd.
ship concluded bj expressing his coincide:mein opinion with
the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack, that the
discussion should be pat Into the shape of a question for the
opinion of the Judges.
Lord DoNoviiiistotta was of opinion that their Lord-
shipscould not recognise V ilinacarti asan agent, or in any
situation in which they could have a right to ettrihive
hired* to a part in this case. Ile thought that any one
who hail listened to the speech made by Noble Lords on,
his side of the lions,', could have supposed !bat they were
discussing some matter altogether foreign to what wall
the real subject of discussion. any one have sup-
posed that tt was a piece of evi.lence they were upon.'
l'he orpiment' on that side of the House, and partecu-1
lark those of his Learned Friend above him, wooll not
lead any one to such a conclusion.' It was not'
conspiracy they were Investigating. The time
wonhl come when the Milan Commission might be on
its trial, and he should be as ready as any one to go!
into the investigation of it. He should go into the en
quiry of the conduct of that Commission, and of any of I
the noble wearers of the blue ribbon, with the most per
confidence that they would come out of it clear and!
unsullied, iinspotted and unhurt; and that they all still
continue to meet in counsel and deliberate with that sa-
tisfaction to all parties, which had ever been a distin-,
'obliging characteristic of all their deliberations and of
their 111611IIIPPO. Ili woo be s great rrhef to yeti
npriKht nientbtr of that House that all party spirit
was done away with in this question. It had
been definitive ly screed upon that that House
recognised un the present occasion none but the
accused and the prosecution. and that therefore was
a yleasant thing to be got over.—(Laughter.)—ln
taking a retrospect of this proceeding from its coin-
: inencement, it was obvious that many topics and much
eloquence had been greatly misplaced both in prose and
in verse, and might have been spared. Much
iufla-
mation 'night have been spared. Hut be would nut pursue
the nettlesome theme any further, he was glad
'it was now all over. NH these principal topics
, were now discarded; all that was ludicrous or grave,
Imaginative or real, serial or substantial ; whether the
ideas of the Learned or the nnlearned, their own, or
borrowed from some friend ; he was glad now it was all
over.

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Lord littosvexmi rose shortly to offer his reasons on
this subject of the greatest importance; why he con-
ceived that this question ought not at the present moment
to be put to the Judges. Undoubtedly it was import-.
ant at all times, that they should have the benefit of the
opinion of those learned persons ; but as his opiniott
was that the Counsel might to have the power of put-
ting the question objected to. whatever might he the de-
cision of the Judge, be thought it was waste of time to
put the question. The Noble Lord who had just now
sat down, hail informed them that all quotations, whether
in prose, or in verse, were now over ; would to God he
could have infertile', them, that the n•hnle proceeding
was at a conclusion! With rer:rd to the Immediate
point under consideration, althouoli he agreed, that they
ought to adhere as nearly as possible to the rules of the
Courts below, yet, it was impossible to exclude on the
t occasion, the Conniel from the right of produ-
cing evidence on the particular point in dispute.
lie might be told the time would come fur hires igating
this transaction. He noul.l tell the Hons., this wis the
time, and the only time. Were they to wait until the
whole ►usiness teas concluded ?—(dear, hear!) This
was the only time; HOW the conspiracy began to de.
velope itself; now that Rastelli had been sent out of
this country under the strongest suspicion.. He might
have hero sent to console the friends of these witnesses ;
be might have been sent to verify some important docu-
ment ; but lie could not help saying, that he went under
the strongest suspicions, when witness after witness
was produce', at the Bar, proving the grossest conduct.
If they speak true, this conduct is the grossest in na-
ture. The whole conspiracy now begins to deve!ope
itself.—(Hear, hear.) And how stere they to conic at
the truth; unless the Counsel were suffered to pro.
reed ? lie admitted there were great difficulties,
lie did not wish to disguise those difficulties. If the
persons produced at the Bar of that House, were English,
they might be able to keep them. This Witi the greet
ditficnity : because this conspiracy, if it he a conspiracy. I
was laid in a foreign country. 'I hey had seen Itastelli,
after the pledges of the Noble lord opposite, after what
had occurred in the Commons House of Parliament, sent
oat of this country. 'this gm rise to what he (Lord
tiroavenor) took he liberty of saving, when he proposed
that sonic abort Hill shosiltl be passed in the other
Clouse, for the purpose of keeping these witnesses in
the coentry.
The proposition was put with the greatest violent*.
The Noble Lord on the Woolsack rose a ith Kress
warmth, and said it was the most won 'rives proposi-
tion that was ever suggested. It was pot with almost
a pitchfork opposition, if he alight use the expression ;
and now they saw the wisdom sod the utility of such a
proposition.
Lord RIDESOALII said it was in rain to address any
LI argument on this question. He thought, the only goes-
lion before their Lordships was, whether the opinion of
the I ousted Jn Iges should be taken, as to the propriety
lof putting that question to the witness. That bring the

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ease; he was of opinion that all the speeches of the
Noble Lord, who spoke last and others, had 00 itti!ny.
They might have been useful for other purposes. Itut
certainty they bad neiloing to du with the present ger*:
Lion: The main qrtestion was, wheiliet their Lordships
were to shape their judgment by the labs or the
eitablished from the codicil aces in all countries that
are regulated by a good administration of the laws.
That decision soul I be had from the Learned .1,1 :sea;
whom he saw before them. This opinions and great
experience would assist their Lordships' jadginent
There *ere certain rtilescif evidence established. Ei:lier
these roles were good or bad. If they were good fut
the purpose of al ;tort:doing the truth, they should be ftil-
lowed. And if they are bad they should nut be allowed
to etist at all. Anil when these Noble Lords said they
-would not be regulated by these laws, they either sty.
these laws are bail, or that they will be regulated los no
laws at all. What nisost be the consequence of such a
proposition? It is the most monstrous that ever was
stated. No honour, no character, no life was safe if
such A propdsTio t were tolerated.
The Lunn Cn.tSckl.Lua followed, and proposed !het the
question which he had suggested in the early putt of the
debate, should be submitted to the Judges.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose to offer a few obser-
vations, not betause he did not think the opinion of the
Learned Judges desirable upon.the points a hick the quotation
embraced, but heretic@ their Lordships were how bound
to look at all the difficulties df the case width they
lima made for themselves. He paid a high conipiiment fu
the comprehmesite, able, and constitutional speech cf
his Noble and I e ono d Friend on the Bench behind
hiss; and described him as baring delivered his
nts without eionfiniow !..onself to the teeltlEcal powers
of law. He called fur their Lordship!' attention at this
period, because he was far from being hound by the
opinion which the Learned Judges 'night deliver. Yet
he did not rise to oppose the question bring pot. He
nderstood the Counsel fur the Bill to stale their °Nee-
Con, not to the receiving this evidence her the purpose
of proving that attempts bad been made to induce the
i io it ions not to give! er:denee for the Queen, but,
that atte ors had heel, made td get from hint the
• pap'rs of her Maje. ti. He thoUglit that the ques-
tion to the Judges should be at. shaped as to ob-
tain their opinion, whether evidence could not to
received, tending to prove that attempts to injure the
cause of the Queen, had been made by extracting purrs
from her confidential agents. Having said so much.
which he hal thrown out fur the consideration of their
Lordships, lie would now say a few words upon the re-
sult of the opinion of the Learned Judges when it should
be communicated to the House. Ile had heard with as-
tonishment, a Noble Lord declare, affirmatively, that
they hsd adhered thrsu;hout to the opinions laid down
by the:u. He was prepared to contend, that they bad
out so adhered, and that they had not considered
themselves so bound. And tipon a case of con-i-
-derable a otology to the one now before them, they
did take the opinion of the Judges ; that opi-
nion was against porin
ttg a question, which question
Weft' Lordships had aerwards deliberately put. He
then called tile atteutionvi the House to that part of
the evidence, to which allude 1t was the olojec-
Con of Mr. Iluittsthain to the AttornF?-lleneral's e a ':• -
motion' of Saccloi, as to the conversation held with Marlette.
He contend. d that when the House had real n -o sup-
poor the existence of t 1 conspiracy, it was their Lordships'
duty to enquire into it immediately. 'floe inquiry it it
should take i la. e at All tutlat be immediate, or it would
be ineffectual. he present Bill Was to depose and de.
emote the clown ; anti surelY their Lordships ovoid rot
degrade her first, and enquire into use grounds of lief des
fence afterwards. Such a course would be unjust; lt
would be dangerous. He load real and their Lordships
had read of 01ra:eh-bra:A F.arl of Warwick, the maker ami
&gouger of Kings ; lint if their lortiallips were to depose
the Queen and earroirr into :ter defence Act ward., thi r
tificht become the makers and the deposers oat the Queen.
I —(\ Lough.)--flas %Igo too imaginary case. If dor
Bill should pass in the way he had mentioned, and
his Majesty shoo d marry another woman, the 'r Lord-
ships might he under the necessity of deposing the
new Queen by another Bill. What then could
their Lordships say to his Majesty, for he would be'
injured by toorelo a proceeding ; what to the Queen, and
ohm to the injured People? Ailudiug to the Milars
loos lordship stated his firm opinion, that
ihs emotion of the Members of that C ',omission was a
pa tof the general system. add diets fo s at for in poiry.
Ile thought, that the rules of evideuce ought to be en-
, largt 01, without reference to the practice of the Courts
below, for the present ewe had no precedent it ail
Court, and he tru t I, never would have a sts ces or any
where.—(t lo Trs.)
Lord Kt,:4l referred to a part of tilt Minutes for t e
rurpose of oliewing that % oluiacarti had . actually it a to
an agreement with one of the witnesses, and Lis
Loroiship considered that at all events the 4110.0110 W
sootrold be framed so as to meet the substance of those
answer-, thitoszli he should eertalooly vote agaicst the-
: opi-tion r way.—(A lamb.)
After a short coo lion, the ipirsoioo was niters!,
to meet Lord King's suggestion, and was submitted
to the Judges for their coas:deration. •

Yesterday after:boon, several Members of the House
of Counnons met, and had a private conference on the
subject of the sedition. placards, and their *Hedged.
fabricator, preparatory, we understand, to a motion
fur a Committee of lutptiry being submitted to the
House at its meeting to-day. The motion is expected
to he made by Mr. litibbouse,
1 courtly journal, not celebrated for its efsetteey.
had denied the fact, which We lung ago announced,
float several distinguished Noblemen, the regular sup
porters of 31inistrv, hail an audience of the King on
Sunday se' •ght. Our coutempuraty, whom vie
voted on Saturday, asserts again this morning, witii•
out fear of contradiction from any authorised quatter,
that the flake of llotlAtiol, the Vuke of Dorset, the Earl
of Lansdale, and others, went to Witt6or Ureat Park
on Smiths), .e'insight, arid bad a long audieuce of his
Majesty. The Ki•ig is not iu the habit of recei%ing
company at his cottage in time Park, and we do nut
believe that th;s was an andlence of mere ceremony.

SPORT/.G INTELLIGENCE.

NEWMARKET SECOND OCTOBER mr.ETING. •
slosstv, Orr. 16, DIA.
The 11111inebrar Stakes or ihOgy raeh, h. R. D. M.
Mr. I.:dsw's h. c. Alder rec.
Duke u( Uranus's Wiedrall withdrew his stake.

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7 Fold.
The Carden Stakes of 100ys art. T. M. M.
Sir J. Shellry 's Astor
Lord Stierld's Glowworm
Mr. Carlton's Plaids
Orn. (travesties Blue Hell
Mr. Udny's e. by Biretta
to I @Est Astor; 14 to fit mist Glue worm t IV to I seta
Phials ; 6 to I apt Biwa Bell ; 4 to I apt Elretitiat.—Wun
easy,
0 or-third or it RUbSCTINIon of ?ters each. for 3-)r-olds. A. F.
Lord )grrenosi's h. f. Snothsaver
Lord NaSeld's b. e. be Vandyke Jailor
Dote of Grafton's eh. t. Roses'
I to 1 'Pt So°thoo,"tbr ; 3 to 1 apt Tandy ks ; 6 to
4 a Rowsua.—% easy.

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THR QUEEN.
MEETING OF THE WARD OF BRIDGE.

A Mreling of the Inhabitant rouseholders of the
ard Midge, %%as held yesterday at Fishmonger.'
!fall, Thames-street, for the purpose of taking into
cons:deration the propriety of presenting an Address
to her Majesty.
'I he Meeting wss the fullest we have ever witnessed
io so small a ward. The Chair was taken soon after
twilve o'clock by Mr. Deputy Child, who shortly
stated the object of the meeting, which he called in
consequence of a requisition most respectably, and
it ore nnmerous'y signed than any he had ever before
re: rived upon any occasion.
My. THOR if HILL then rose to propose the resolutions.
Ire took a rapid view of the treatment her Majesty
had received, and remarked with much acuteness upon
the injurious mode of trial adopted, the refusal of a
copy of the charges, and a list of the witnesses. There
was one argumetit which he observed had not been
tirade use of by the supporters of her Majesty's cause,
and which appeared to him to be a strong one against
the mode of her trial. Blac' stone, in his remarks
upon impeachment, after stating that the House of
Commons could not properly jndge in cases of that
sort, and could therefore only impeach ; but before
o hat Court, he asks, shall this Impeachment be tried ?
Not before the ordinary tribunals, which would he na-
• _

turally swayed by the authority of so powerful an ac-
cuser as the House of Lords, especially when it was
considered how the Lower House was constituted, and
hat influence and interests the Lords, many of them,
kil in the election of the Illethbors of that House?
Was the Ilun•e of Common., then, the place in which
an individual accused by the Peers could be the best
r•sored of an impartial trial ? With regard to the
vi.tite.ses produced for the prosecution, he pronounced
t.errt a disgrace to any Court, and there was not ano-
ther Court in the kingdom where the♦ would not have
been committed for their perjuries and prevarication..
lie remembered a short time since a man was cam-
inive,l to give a character to a prisoner, who, it camp
out, hail been convicted before, and that the witness
knew the fact, although he was giving him the best
of characters; fur this wilful perjury the witness was
committed by the Court, while the perjuries and pre-
varications of these Italian evidences not only escape
pnuishment, lint absolutely greet with pry and reward.
fit should he nrred that their meeting was preina-

rure. that th; trial was not at an end, and that her
Majesty IT :IS not yet pr. pounced innocent, he would
r.ply—the whole country had pronounced her inno.
rent. lhere was, however, no occasion to wait the
derision of the House of Lords; the ev.dence was be.
fore the public, they had the same means of forming
joarnsent as the House itself, and they constituted

Court more impartial. Mr. Thornhill concluded.

[midst loud applause. by moving the fist Resolution,
which was seconded by Mr. &mil, and carried ottani-

Mr. Ttiontennt. then moved the sera' l Resolution.

Mr.J. SAVNI DINS rose wit's great pleasure to se
it. He was not averse to, but the warm friend of h's
Majesty's (ioveransent; be acquitted them of all bad
intention ; be felt that her Majesty bad been 111 used,
ind was an object of compassion ; therefore, in differ-
ing from his friends on this occasion, he thought he
*as giving the hest support to the Throne. Even if
the Queen had failings, they ought nevertheless to sup-
p )rt her, considering the former persecutions she had
nttilergone. The reason assigned by the King, that
'lig inclinations were not under his contronl, he con-

:eked by no means such as ought to satisfy the na-
tl:)rt far the disappointment of the hopes formed on so
wa7ently autpicions an union.
The Resolution wa• agreed to unanimously.
Mr. C %aim RICItT. in a short speech, seconded the
I !I'd Resalution. which was pot and agreed to.
'I he 4th Resolution was seconded by Mr. Carrutherg,
od carried.

The sth Resolution, respecting the omission of her
Pa.; sty's name in the Liturgy, was seconded by Mr.
S•cNoens, and carried.
The 6th Resolution was seconded by Mr. Voss, and
passed, with four dissentients.
On the she«• of hands for the 7th Resolution, which
w seconded by Mr. Ion( Ke, the dissentients increased
to nine.--The other Resolutions were carried.
On the Address being, read. which purported to be
We native,. of the Deputy, Comumn Cortneilmen and
,n.I Inhalvitanta, Mr. WRENCH asked if the Deputy
[Ol C4lllltlloll Council had given their assent ?
Mr. N. SAVPIDE s Said, he, for one, should cer-
tainly attend on the presentation of the Address, and
he thought it would he quite as complimentary to the
R'orsh► Deuuty, if the lientleman would leave him to
epeg k for
.himself.
PewTatsa made some observations ee the ah.
truce of the Alderman (Sir M. illosham), and thought
notice deght to be taken of the situation in which the
Ward was placed with regard to its Chief tinker.
Mr. Loren replied, !hat application had Men made
to the Court of Aldermen on the sit/siert, hut the
Court dismissed them almost with a rebuke.
The.Addre•s was then agreed to.
AN:pte of Thanks was passed to Mr. Alderman
Wood,'lrs also to Mr. Thornhill, the mover and se-
conifr'of the Resolutions, and to the Chairman.
Tile two lattei lientlemen returned thanks, 'and the
blessing adjourned at half an hour past two o'clock.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
COVRT OF KINGS BENCH. Oct. 16.

Loudon Adjourned Sittings after Trinity Term, before
Mr. Justice Ban nod Common Juries.

Williatu Scutt, painter, eliarked with assaulting
Charles Hugh 14:e Tinting. Fusion in the 13th regi-
ment, in ronge.e-stieet, on the evening of the 216
of June last, Voided nut
Ms. Tinling sworn.—Was quartered here wit flats
regiment in Jane lest, and on the evening of the th
of that moot!, tt•sta in the slio? of Messrs. Millar and
Elvin;;, when tole of the gentbnisea of the shop came
in and told him that some of the men of his regiment
were rioting in the st,eets. aod had drawn their
bayonets on tl.e inhabitants. On this infirmation, he
immediately rat! oat with the view of stopping farther
outrage, anal carrying the deliaquents to the barracks.
On coming out be saw an nonsense crowd near the
Cross, and a large assemblage of persons came up to
him, one of wiron called unt " draw his sword, and
TIM him through the body." Oa this Iv- was instantly
„urri.,,,mted, and the peie.,,ner, Scott, caught hobd of
his sabre, anl a:templed to force it oat him, and is
The performances of yesterilev were for the benefit of
the struggle needy he it it In :he mean time
Mr. T. P. Coons ; and we were glad to observe, thatt his
a.lmirers composed a numerous and very respectable he, Mr. T., ha I s•:ceind a blow on the ear front some
one behind him. When lie first heard the cry " draw
audience. We think the first part of the entertainments
his
drawn against himself, awl during the sculls,
Piece was the " Lady of the Lake;" and the character it
came three
or hour inches
out
of
the
scabbard, bug
of Roderic Die, which was sustained by Mr. Corm!,
he had never once thousfat of —drawing it against any
afforded bins an excellent opportunity of displaying his person, his sole object being to quiet the men of his
powers. Of that opportunity he availed himself; and regiment, and carry them as quickly as possible to the
K e confess, that in figure, look, and action, he realized barracks. Never hated the pi:soner say any think.
In the midst of the struggle the police came up, and
o'ir ides of the noble. generous soldier of the North.
Mr. Coons has one merit, which we are compelled to carried him to their office. on the way to which an it-
ithhold from some of his sotrmporaries; for his per- ezaspt was made by some person or persans in the mkib
fortuance was masterly, anal up to the fullness of the to tear off his epeut..u.
althor's meaning. ?Album the slightest nes!, of extra-
*genre. Mr. C. is, we beliefs., the perfect gentleman ' Mr. John Wingate, partner with Millar sad Ewing,
in private life; and we have no doubt his nseritorions told Mr. Tialing of the disturbance is tint 'meet,
exertions will ensure him a success be so well deserves. , whon he anassnliately set of towards it, ben on the

COROURG THEATRE.

WRIST'S ♦ND °TSUI, V. /CAMP ♦DD °Mali.

This was an action of asanmpsit for coppering
the ship Traveller.
Mr. UURNET fur the plaintiffs, and Mr. SCARLITT
fur the JefenJants.

The plaintiffs were copper merchants at Liverpool,
and the defendants were owners of the ship, resitting
at Ipswich. The Traseller has been a coasting Ves-
sel, and recently, before the present transaction, bad
been a voyage to Liston. Whilst in dock at Livers
pool, the Captain bad orders to go to Newfoundland,
and return with a cargo of fish to the Mediterranean.
Conceiving that it was necessary the chip should be
coppered, though perfectly sound, he applied to the
plaintiffs to supply the materis!s; but the latter t
knowing the owners, the Captain referred them to a
Mr. Ilunt, who had supplied the I with stor s
and knew the defendants, and upon his ecru:" ing
that the defendants were respectable men, the pl iiutitls
supplied the copper, but had had no co ttttt 'unit:salon
with the defendants upon the subject, who were in
fact ignorant of the work being done until the plain-
tiffs applied tit- the amount, which they refused to
pay, alleging that the copper had bees suppie,l with-
out their orders. The question was, therefore, whether
the defendants wire liable for the art of their Captain,
it being urged that the coppering of the vessel was a
prudent and in-re...sty expenee to be incurred prepa-
ratory to the vo) .
Mr. Justice hi.. r char.ed the Jury, that if they
were of opinion Ohf. it was a prudent tnerAure tur the
Captain to get tli vessel cuppered, the defendant
would lie liable.

The Jury found fur the plain!i.rs the %hole of the
denim tid •

/PINY ♦. RROI. GB.

This was an action of assault.
Mr. I ieRNST an:! Mr. Hal.? for the plaintiff, and
Mr. Aastsnssa fur the defend:Het.

Both parties are tt.ltlestuett in Little Kin •-street,
St. James.:, the plaintiff bring a 111:111 under forty, and
the defendant above fifty years of age. In the even-
ing of the :itla of Augn..; last sear, the plaintiff bring
in a state of intoxication, passed the d. f, o was
standing at his door, and began to mimic him in an
offensive manner. lii4 Is words arose, anlthe defendant
slapped the plain:Win the fare ; they immediately set
to, and taught for a quarter of an hour " in the re-
gular way," as one of the titncsses described it, and
in the reap'', the plaintiff was domed ui h a broken
leg, by which be was confined fir three months.
Evidence was called for the defence in mitigation
of datuaceN to shew, that the plainal. by Lis itlicu-
sive conduct, :tad b;uught the misfortune upon

The Jury, under the Learned Judge's directions,
found a verdict for the plaintiff —Damages, 301. after
having rctire.l f.br a Fru- urinates.

PE P. 111 W. JOII,II%TiIN, 8.11. T.

Mr. ('lore is a butcher. carrying 013 hosintwa at
MaidenbeAd; Sir W. Johnston is a Baronet residing
near that town ; and this was an action for beef aad
intittott supplied by the pliintitf to the defendant.—
The weekly bills were proved, and :Sirs. ToirMl, the ex-
hott.ekeeper of Sir 11 in. Jolin,ton, aft.tnitted their reit-
sonAleuess.

Mr. F. POLLIiik. for the defenklant, offered nothing
to the Jury.—Verdi,.t fur the plaiutiff—Daniages,
2241.

TO?. ICIVO r. 111 F.

This was an indictment against :he defendant, a
scavenger, in Wlsitetriais, fur converting hi% wharf
into a common ; thereby assembling " a vil-
lainous rompunnd of site smells.— to the manifest dis-
comfiture of all the noses is the neighbourhood.
Mr. Aisomegu.l. as Counsel fur Mr. Burge, promised
in future to couluct the business in the must udiferous
manner.

Mr. IiefINCY was sitistied that the made of conduct-
ing the 1)113i:tell, ala‘,u:ti 4e referred to any sufficient
31r. Justice Bel: was at a loss what gentleman to
appoint.
A verdict of G was at length taken,prop-ofo,
the future conduct icing referred to Mr. Broadridge,
surrey..r.

TRIAL ARISINO FitO.II A RIOT WIT!! THE
AT GL.4.S!;WV.

CIRCUIT INTELL!GENt E.- GL 1•60 W, Or"T. 7.

s"*:•7'.

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STATESMAN.

war be saw him idrrottuded by a Crowd dpposite the
Leigh Kirk. Did not see him make any attempt to
draw his sword. Next morning met the prisoner, Mr.
Stott, and asked him if Mr. Tinting had drawn his
sword—be replied no. be had taken good care of that
—he next asked Scott if be had broken the sabre ; he
said no, but he had attempted to do it.
Mr. Wilson, jeweller, on seeing an officer surround-
ed by the crowd, went forward and found the prisoner
having hold of the officer's sivoid, upon which lie
asked him what he bad to do with the gentlemen,
when Scott replied " [lron interfere I'll do for you."
At this moment the pollee came up.
Alex. Brown saw Mr. Tinting in the attitude of
driwing his sword, and the prisoner holding him.
The pri....•1( r t areal times damned the officer to let
gu ii.s s mril, but witness did not hear any reply.
Ai, go the sword when Bain the police-officer
caali ul.
;Aloes Reid saw Mr. Tinting walk towards the
rvss on the evening of the riot, when he was sur-
rounded and struck on the head and different parts
of the body. Mr. Tinting behaved quietly, and did
not attempt to draw hi. sword.—Saw Scott, before
Mr. Tinting came up, running about with the
crowd.

rarors Bain, polikr-offir•r, carried Ensign Tinling
to the Police-otfiee for his own safety on the evening
of the riot ; a great crowd followed them ; did nut
see the officer do any Thing improper. When he first
came upScott bad bold of the officer's sword, which
he attempted to break over his knee, but he gave up
the moment the witness appeared. Se►eral persons
were• making blows at the Ensign over Scott's
shoulder.

0(0s-examined by Mr. Jtrritzr.—Witness heard
Scott say to the officer. " you may draw it now." Did
not attempt to take the prisoner into custody ; there
lied been a riot of the soldiers of the 13th, who used
their Arms against him, and every p dice-o dicer they
met ; ono of them attempted to run the uSaness
thrtm;:h. '1 he soldiers were not acting under any
Authority, and were generally infoxicated.

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