The Statesman.
London, England, 1813-03-31 00:00:00

is his tp's opinion:aloes counteract Ito , Manli
woulizattempt and some Might succeed? doting tilts
period; PM obtaining a iesidaoce in India;. but he dick',
riot tidn'lS the restraint on such intercourse would Wu
impracticable where the Company's authority ei-
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teneitki: 0 1 4 I
Being asked if She eseeche of this authority on
the part of the Company should fall in preventiwg-
such unresttained intercourse, what was his opinion 1
as to the consequences of ouch failure ?--Ills Lord-1
ship answered, sueh a circumstance would imply that
there was a defect in the superintending power in 1
India, as it would in feet amount to a sospecition oft
the functions of the Indian Government. Being

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the conversion of oueletltie'4iii ahnonnosa. There
was, besides, a Catherirep*,t, who bad collected
round him a great nutniste‘of people. whom leiliallesl
christians, Ina he appeUred very ignorant • 4111 their
language. These Orions, he belleved,o werspiendliesV
the controul of the . Company. Mr ifictritrttrivall':
greatly beloved and respected. He wig ats*,*l
give any decided °pluton as to the general agrpt the
permission olipersons to preach the aristiii•
gion unrestrained and unlicensed would heti upon
the natives. 'With respect to himself, if the ails-
siooaries demeaned themselves properly he should
have taken oo notice of them, but if he hod found
them Improperly interfering and ezercisi?goan undue
ehauld iii -

influence, he have no hesitation sendimg
them out of the Colony.
Mr. PONSONBY eel:faired as to the comparative
danger to be (eared from licensed er unlicemied intli-,
vidnals sejoureing in the Emit Indian territories, and
Mr. Hastings replied, that his terror would be chiefly
excited by the latter.
Mr. CREEVEY put several questions on the sub-
ject of remonstrances made by the witness against
the proceeding of the Company In laying investments
upon its tribute, in reply to which Mr. Hastings re-
ferred to his correspondence in the Ninth;Report of
the Committee en the Affairs of the East ludia Com-
P3"Y-__

asked, supposing such a failure, even as he
bad conceived it, to exist, to describe the evils,
likely to result from such a catastrophe?--.
He sairic, it would have t tendency to depreciate
the general European Character; particularly
in a country where the population of the waft
tires, in proportion to the British, was, es 2,000 to
one. The Indian Government was 2 Government of,
opinion, and such a circumstance must tend to irri'
tate the natives, and to shake that opinion in the
superiority of the Indian Government, on which so
much of their success depended. Mich In thif,
respect would depend on the number of Europeans,
and on the state in society which they filled. Len

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- Sir H. MONTGOMERY pursued the Subject of i injury probably would result from inch intercourse
religion, and asked what nould be the effect in India were the people in a higher rank than it they were
lof a Church Establishment ?—The answer was, that of a lower degree ; and if the persons availing them-
it was a subject of great difficulty and delicacy, upon' selves of the intercourse were seamen and traders,
which only conjectures could be formed. The wit- 1 the danger would be proportionably greater. By an
ness wished that auy other time than the present had i open trade, the consumption of British inanufac-
been selected for making the attempt, because sur- • tures, he (10004 would not be materially in-
mises hadgoneibroad, even as tar as our settlements, ! creased, as few had the desire, and few the means of
that it was the ;rdention of Government to force the i purchasing them. • The Nabob of Oude eas the only
. Protestant Region and a Church Establishment on 1 person he knew who bad auy considfrable collection
the natives ; he dreaded the consequences, particu- of English manufactures. Some natives of property
lady upon the Native Infantry, upon whom a great purchased English articles of furniture in icompli-
deal would rest in the hour of peril. The manner meat to the English. Their opportunities lof pur-
in which the propositinn would be received, must, chasing were, however, equal to their wishes.
however, depend upon the temper, conduct, andde- Being questioned as to the danger from Missiona-
meanour of the individuals selected to fill the higher ries preaching publicly that Mehemet was an ifn
religious offices. He dared not state 411 that occur- postor, or reviling on the same occasion the Brah.
red to his mind upon this delicate subject. minical rites, his Lordship said, that though from
Mr. FORBESrose to examine, but Mr. BARING preaching publicly such doctrines there might be some
interfered, and seggested that as Mr. Hastings had danger, there' would be none from asserting them in
now been three hours under examination, he might, conferences. His opinions on this subject were as-
if he pleased, terminate his evidence ta-morrow.
establish-
The witness replied that he 441 no, dettle..that he serted in a pamphlet on the question. The
ment of the Bishops, he thought, would be regarded
should be able to answer the questions of the Hon.' with indifference, neither would any allowance to
Gent. In continuation he said, that great Jaren .Missionariee to spread the Christian doctrines in In-
would result from altering the present system witi ala, have any bid effect on the natives, who were
regard to India. Being asked whether, in his opi• . well convinced of the deference of the Government
• nion, it was beneficial to the Settlements, that the to their religious and civil prejudices.
_commercial and political powers should be united un- ,
der one head ? He stated, that he supposed • that . Lordship stated, that broad-cloth was almost the
question to refer to the general maxim of the impo--
only article of British manufacture consumed by the
licy of such a combinat!on, but such a maxim could/
natives.
only apply where there were competitors who might ' In answerto Mr. TIERNEY, his Lordship re-a.
be destroyed by political power, but could not refer .
to the East India Company, because, asserted his opinions on the subject of the ingress of
yet, they ' strangers into India, and explainNl the existing po-
had.no competitors to struggle with. The trade, as
lice regulations, there being, in each district, an
it was now conducted, was far more advantageous to i
English Magistrate, to whom a subordinate cadre
this country than it could he under auy alteration
i
that had been suggested. officer made periodically, a full report of all re,
markable occurrences within their districts, emong
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At answer to another question on the same sub.
ject, attributing to the witness the fact of his hay.
ing, on a former occasi',n, entertained a different
view of the mettir, the witness said, if he had am
expressed oimself 30 years ago, which he was not•
prepared to deny, such were not his. present senti...
ments. He Lad not comc to that bar for the purpose.
of reconciling his own inconsistencies. The exten-
sion of the con.merce of any country, be was con-
vinced, must be beneficial to that country. If the
t trade to the East Indies were granted to America, as
'lan indulgence, it might be of adianiage, but' not, as a
right.
1 Being asked, if it would. be consistent ,vrith the
salvation 01 the British Empire in India to allot
Missionaries to preach publicly in contempt of Ma.
hornet ; to represent him as an impostor ; to treat
him with contempt, and to talk in opprobrious terms;
Of his religion ? The witness answered, that it could
not be consistent with the salvation of the British
empire in India, tsi allow any thing of the kind.-1
Such proceedings would have a natural tendency, If
there were any persons fanatically religkoas., awing-
the natives,' to stir' up their most violent passions.—
He did not say that such must be the result, but such
a thing had happened already, and, if the provoca-

which the arrival of Europeans would be included. -
In answer to seme.q nestions by Mr. STEPHEN, as
to the character of the Hilidoos is compared with in-
habitants of Christian nations, his Lordship de-
scribed them as a compound of fraud, servility, and
deception, which arose in a greet degree from the
ancient despotism, servility ana 4 fraud being the,
necessary artifices to elude extortion. His Lord-
ship spoke also to the welt known circumstances of
the burning of widows, self-inimelation, infanticide'
in certain districts (which latter crime, however,
has been lately pat an end to, it being contrary to
the. Hindoo religion), religious obscurity, and 914
existence of the.civit immunities of the Brolitn;ttical
cast. To be the cause of the death of a person at
this cast was deemed so inexpiable a sin, that the
Brahmins resorted to the, threat of killing themselves
for the putposes of extortion. He thought Chris-
tianity would improve the civil condition of the
natives. The Danish and Dutch Governments had
made efforts for the conversion of the natives, which
had never beeti attended with any evil consequences.
‘ •And such was the respkt in India for the Missionary
Schwartz, that a grant of land to ,build a church,
had been made by the Rajah of Tanjore, out of re.-
to hi

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,—Your Lordship has, I find, swarmed
the Public, in vindication of the part
have unhappily taken against the Princess
You have addressed your defence to a
the Grand Lodge of Freemasons,
Brother-Mason, my Lord, am bound to re.
motives which have promptektbe desire to
ith our body; or, at leftist; I mast ap.

you hal

snattivr,that sep.k, which you recently pos.
seised in 'our esteem, by an elaborate defence.
As I shalt still eddsider myself! to be addressing Et
British Nohleran,nd npta..l4ukeitt I shall• pass, o,
PCr ng
the casnlidOl thitinction yew Lnulihip
endation dcaw,.between 010 happeni to
be at Belvederes an& really happening to examine the
'servants of Belvedere In London. To that exam' na.
tion, ited. your Lordship's accioutot of it, . I hums.
diately proceed. Mr. Keany, the stewa-d, and
Partridge, the .porter, were the only two whore you
examined. What the testimony of the former may
have been, we know not precisely, though I 64alt

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have great occasion to speak upon Ms point here-
after: but the depositickg of Partridge, given on
sebeetasent tad more solemn bceasion, is most hap-
pit'', before the world. lie saw her Royal Highness
but once, with three, or four other ladies, and
on, gentleman, at Belvedere: none of the party
went osp stairs; they merely •iewed the pie.
tures; lunched; walked up and down in the portico,
till their carriage. drew, up, and departed. ' Yet to
this mats, a porter, 'sons .14or4ship is stated to have
represmated the subject' on which jekwere examin.
ii 'mt to be one 44 of - importer '"

ing great .npoi ince ; • you
sent for him L Second' time, ,and ask.ed him if he
was sure that "that was all he eobld say respecting
the Princess ?"—The man replied, he was sure that
was all, and he was ready to _take his oath,of it.—
' Faillitg then, my Lord, of eliciting more, you now
inform the world, that. this man
.Pirtsidge, Lord
Eardley's porter, " was devoted to the Princess of
of Wales."' Of what nature the devotion might be,
or how excited, you have not deigned to explain ;
nor is there any cause for believing in its existence.
Indeed, the devotion of Lord Eardley's porter to
the Princess of Wales, is an absurdity that needs no
comment or exposure.
The account which your Lordship has now, for
the first time, give°, of Mr. Kenny's conversation
with you, has astounded not only the `.others of
the Grand Lodge of Freemasons, but every consi-
derate man in England : it forms a new chapter in
the history of this black transaction, and constituter
yourself, as the sole depositary of Kenny's know.
ledge, the only remaining accuser of the princess of
Wales. My Lard, you say, that the legal advisers
of her Royal Highness did not dare to speak of your
examining Kenny till after his death r " the mea-
sure, of thus examining him and Partridge," you
allow to have been 66 most offensive, if not justified
by some uncommon peculiarity of circumstance.
Yet absolute silence is preserved upon it for so long
a period by her Royal Highness's Advisers : a for.
bearance (you dare to say) only to be solved by their
being too cautious to touch upon the point while
Kenny was alive." Kenny's account, then, was of
that nature, your Lordship avers, that the advisers
of the Princess did not risk the procedure of touch•
lug upon it during his life-time. My Lord, you caw.
not leave England till you have wiped off the asper-
sion, which you have thus at parting cast upon the
iral ordinati, of Pro.

character of one, whom a natal of ion
vidence may place upon the throne of it, before you
are three day's sail from it; shores. Why dared not
the Princess of Wales, or her Advisers, speak of
your " offensive" examination of Kenny, as you
call it, during that man's life-time?—Tell the world
while you are yet alive, lest the perilous secret should
'die with you:
But, my Lord, if her Royal Highness's advisers
thus cautiously abstained from making any comments
on your examination of Kenny (their knowledge of
which la, by the way, mere surmise with your
Lordship), till after his death; how came it that
you also waited fur the same erect,--and that it
Tear never till after the death of Kenny, that you
gave the slightest intimation that his evidence was
unfavourable to her Royal Highness Y Nay, far-
ther, my Lord ; how came you, in direct contradic-
tion to your present insinuations, to avow, during
Kenny's life-time, that his conversation with you
was the very reverse of unfavourable ? You only ex.,
mined Turtrike and Kenny of tertrArdley's ser.
rants: Partridge is happily alive, to tell your Lord-
ship upon oath, as he has done, that he knows
nothing wrong in the Princess of Wales : Kenny,
therefore, was the only hostile evidence ; and yet it

- - - spelt to hie memory.
tion were given, be was afraid it was likely to recur. immediately after your examination of Kenny,
His Lordship concluded by apologising, for any was .
He could not say whether the Christian dress referred imperfections which might have arisen in his evi- that, to use your own words, " your Report to the
to by him in a former answer was of European ma-
-9 dente, as several of the nostrums heltad then answer- Prince was, that it was entirely unnecessary for his
uufacture or not. It was only a simple covering.
'ed were such as he should have wished some day to Royal Highness to notice the Report against the
In talking of Europeansotot servants of the Co- have considered. • • Princess in any shape." My Lord, it is now too
pony, he meant English, and not Americans.
Could certainly make a distinction between English' II Pit MI said
He The House then resumed, and Lord CASTLE- late fur you to attempt to tly from the situation in
--....5..... , that as the evidence on the East India which you have placed yourself; understand then
and' Americans as to the degree of danger arising question would it would well what that situation. is : you examine Kenny and
(rein thy intercourse of the two. It would consist occupy a considerable time,
be convenient to come to an understanding that the' Partridge secretly—you charge them " never to talk
in tiro right of appeal, which the English at all
evidence should every day be entered mi at an early upon the subject"—you conceal the nature of their
times make to thp laws of their country', and to their
hour and that afterwards the House should return to evidence for years—you do nut even mention it to
fellow subjects. ,
1806
There being no other
Hastings,
questions to the business of the day. He should propose from
put to Mr. ' half past four to haMpast seven, as the daily data-, 40
. the four Lords who conducted the enquiry in ,
on the issue of which your Master's heart must
he made his bow, and withdrew amidst the naturally have been so much interested—you suffer
cheers of the House. Boo of ithe sittings. of the Committee.—The Com-
i mittee was accordisigte fixed for to-morrow (this Lord Eldon and Mr. Percent" to tax that master
Lord Teigiumouth was then Called in, and a chair : day). t• •
. 'with " cruelty and injustice,"
tsas placed for him., ' .
dic.a-
and you never step forward to allegein his vin
in so many words ;
_ On the suggestions of *P.C. W. WYNNE, how/. name we could not learn,
in answer to a question from a Member, whose
i tion, when all the evidence against the Princess was
Aye!, it was settled, as a matter of privilege, that.
r..netther his Lordship, nor any other Peer, could claim Lord CASTLEREAGH said that it was impos- I preyed to be either futile, malicious, or sidsorned,
ad as a right to anslver the questions sitting, but that be
op. questimis, unless as a matter of courtesy, were to . ' The House then ad
answered by Peers standing. .
• Hein Bible at that period to say whether an decision could that Kenny's statement was such as might excite
come to On his Resolutions before the reCess. '
loorned at acttrier past twelve. else. !LAP
,sesaisseessommems ' reasonable suspicion in his Royal breast : but now,
Kenny is no more, you first have the coat-
• dance to appear before the country, and to in-
& ezamin9d by Mr. Randle Jackson, on the It is curious
.to mark tm ftrpriciatra or the per; deem,' that his secret SiltoMiftitt to you were
Mart of the Company, his ~-Lordghip Kid he had
An the employment oil the Compeuy for 30 yeers. 4n , ing 'only Wardens)
been epiee humoor of the public; hen a Court mourn- injurious to her Royal Highness. But if they
,venrestrictolowx of strangers !sod be
prejudicial'
hiscii_iwunt t
gieer,apiall the
itgateris
o:dlataz put
u thaw)
ywoeureso, it I. now your duty to explain, why
b
enpy s evalettal
46114 Istereoll of this poeutry)l4 emested ,ith int. iii A lines
limit
an
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~ . . .2. . .1 e t never, risentioned this before. Why, my Lord,
f IT c were silk as gnifht food tr,

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Europeans into the country, which be ,- • „t.,_ *1110.,•_ .ple brought up in this country would sot TO
molest the peace of the natives aid e` '"'"7 .gfivit t weight to the prejudices of the natives of .
safety of the Company. On other '' - ' :Idea that persons educatediln India must naturally id I
Mr Jonas,
expressed the same sentiments to the Company. Htflit supposed o
mentioned this to show that what he had edvaisced VW th edoOed in the Berett ...
....
' 'Ater to ti
Litt
to-night teas penortd , ee,gkhoty malt Ws iho ' wield be I . Ithich you ha
ripirgau kid bfeWfo .444adaellieertilliftle o t
orull trading : .of Lau • Wale.. 1
earniestnesc his hit' it ~ , f plinninti a the country ;et all .trelsts,:if Member of ti
lis answer to r. tar fetes gentions, the wit- individuates inikenetrating into the county as a -Broth
nen said, that while hew at
.ifft,„MiseletaX,llll .Ikop-milbe- . •' 'WOW • •
pect the mot
ifidlided' ettiPl6or tont. is el 1. Among dourse werA eg, Tcrinn. a the individuals at.
i . • stand well wit
them was a very !Fork otabAf tbiletliploflielittift4 tobiliting tivilll i vi; is hid no doubt it would in-
and a Mr. Fernando, sent from London. He re- crease toe.egreat slogvessat -first; buts the disappoint-Iliad fike.SMl
membered the Circelastassesistekeisemp stitkehtch meld arising Nat the magnitude of the trade, would, need to suet*
the conversion of one-lindilirsiii antiminCod.
.Then! is his. Lordship's opipion,, soes countenict 41. , Mane !Kissed in 'our