The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-03-02 00:00:00

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„ANN pablic eeeiwiimb• nor were scarcely two
Tong 4comiels lad eel that table which agreed witl
oth itier sal Wilierd himself to.,promi 'boo
Awl veil iota the CimitgAileg Amos the'Wt. He
Nought Riafeters might la Ate the eimpWitioo of
just:meets themselves, whitest rallies egostilie base
to kit. Wen ba in o ,bas loot pp spa
Ads to Jo that he might to eM Ntssill. •
11sCR4XCELLOW of,the Exuaintlia
be bid Cirri enprempd any intend* of **Mug
Its Hesse tor seelt.lateasere t whit Om said was,
flit
lie *old wove tarts .Cosoluittee, to whom he
abasle reset a plea of his owe. The mosemolve at
zneworspde up st present, came from tliterestrellese,
vetzle up wills diterrat views, and
Into sea foam. they aortal* .o
il
leat.pn•
evil, clear idea of the puma mesprota •
yintillititty.clid est wish to raise a ipiliaajt;
be walk alit why they mutoe
iht Urine it were appointed evisheohleu
Wrier, the Report meld not he reeked wadi o'er the
Far the satisfaction of pll partial-there, is
Plailtoat of aeon, it would he Wier ler blllnidees to
itafilßstniastractioe they ea, npou the Acts ism in
fins We mgarti.to the Hiwinag Kea& Persolmt.w Ittav
ie „ meted with tie
vat set aware Si tais 00114104 whether tit
Nile!. H seenmelme foe the beside of du Rsegli.
etter ler the relief af the ametry by euitsehts its
.• •
th. P. MOORE sail that the qualisit.tras wet Ole-
thiv thi:Cosetry should be relievedoblittellother it should
be strwl. ,
The atones wu tbes,areeti tub, . , ,
scars sr Awed
gr. PI. SHIM obi that household last year for n•
prate tht hunwteen thieereaseat and
TOmni ea Cdeetchlative to the Slave
gn N. lie owe emo fr• mover. with tile unseat of the
Noble blargoess opposite, for Siegler returns trout the
tide ef * lam thew Ortrie.—Retirits ordered.
DISMISSAL or lIPPICSAIS I/SOM THE ASHY.
C4l. AMES isidrod for a Matra of the names of all
officers &missal haw the Amoy without trial by Court
%Rt. dial riser the ye& l79ll..—Oidored.
OASTRANAT moved for die re•qpie 4
uesst
the pestiohire to esquire into the law, let
Priam—Tile motion was agreed to. •
SUPPLY.
The Minn LOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Oitior the D.y for the House resolving itself
MU • tbmatittee to !moulder of the Sup lies to he'
pamei M bisillejsetr for the service of the easatai
Tear. •
Sit J. NEWPORT wished to alit the Right How.
liestimino what *waster was to be made to brewers
sad Arm hermit* la Wed. sp.& the rensoval of the
Jilalt Tax.
T o CliggEstGOß of EXCHEQUER said, that
the tat astelor wait liehowl le thip printed Naar
tints Othst How.
hirJ. NOP/PORT srwaLl be
*as hal

of 1;761
. ter he applied. ,
yat t AU. 11, wits to ems, Std sir Its
otnendidiapp=
jahe poltllc r to mut he* it
lIIn 4 X ;he hoose. nee; ocooirolea to
1., runiouyetllolll P*4o4. divested the at-
ionise 'of t to t • Bereft of dee ilioossce Cour
loins a *ebb the tAssainlttos stated, that the
sun olltvlowoct tel the/F.Moutd be
red to the lean lo mat Imitoad
iiat
howner,
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is the year 1819, it Nees 91 AK helot dWitt r
sea la NIO, it was 161411 W; la the
toadied thousand pounds ; ', In tie preitAllig7l.
Hove this could be sret in pottdee aod shot Ise was at a
low to conseire. the house would sot act as it ought,
if it did not call for inquiry epos this head. He should
cow only do what he considered to be his duty. Ma-
jorifies would preenil,~ mod ho should oraly mere. in or-
AT tottprom hioowti motiments epos the Journals of
the house, " For Estimates of the particular manner io
RititittiMP ism of %,Y M. is to be expedded in AV&
name lee the Navy. Menlo, similar Estimates bli re-
e.ni to the is of 450.0001. fur the wear and time of
the. Nags,;' If there was any fear of disclosures by
granting this motion, weeld the Hoveromeilt Aire par-
ticulars of the last year's appropriation of Hoof sloner.
(Hear, from Mr. Croker)—lle was happy to hear that
they would, and he would coissequently withdraw his
mottoes. After a short pause, hoiever, the Hos. Mem-
ber perkisted In moving them.
*.ThOIIER had before said that the Committee
was the proper place where these points shollabe die-
* bd. If the Hon. Heideman was sot sail there,
beirsold have the power to call for further i rmatios.
00. &r I. COFFIN thought he could give his Nottourable
, 'And the Member for Aberdeen a satisfactory answer
• Oh regard to the navy ordnance in a who Daring
116 American waravloop of war was sunk b one of the
eery is twenty minutes—she was of superior force to
* Ilite. But it was afterwards ascertained that the
Pim of the sloop bed not been fired for twelve months.
it Laithereftire been ordered by the Admiralty, that an
midisaditional quantity of powder mod shot should be tired
Cfety month, If 95,01101. .veer
was too much for
k"Pinit the Width Navy ready for war in time of peace,
Ike mow the whole fleet was blown op the better.
31,. WARD stated that it was a great mistake to sup-
pose that the whole nascent of this estimate was spent
an powder sad shot. The Hon. Jleinher went into an
r•9l4aatios to show that not one-half of the sum was
'Tiied to that object.
11r. li. HENN el said, that the information which the
Ilan. Member had given was all that was asked, so that
ii ll', put down in figures.
Mr. WARD consented to the statements for the last
r" keine granted.
Sir I. VA WFI N explained. • Mr. MIME withdrew his mottos, and the house re-
toloetl itself into a Committee.
for the
first Resolution fur granting the sum of SUNK
T e wear and taw at ships for the year 1822 was thew 02 t..,11 to.
The neat Resolatioe was that the sum of 91,9011 f. be
P:441"1 to hi. Mvjesty ter the expenses of the Ordnance
' Service.

lien. • .-
Mr. HUME withedle .reduce the sineciree iblth
were held by officers at thieleollmf. the asorinee. He
should not propose taking away the offices from the
Earl St. Vincent, and those who now held the.; he
only wished the House to tome to 'a !violation sot to
keep up theme seine shares's; offices. It would he Weir
to rewardgallast officers ter their services lathe were
honourable way of greeting them Parliamentary per
dons. He should move for the reduction of these ohne
cures when the report was broaght np.
Mr. CROKER interested that the better way of dile
ensuing the principle of the appoiritaieks, would be to
ma_Vtbeee the subject of a substantive motion. •
The resoletioe was time agreed to. -
.;Air J. OSBORNE had next to embeds to the home
E. for the ordinary awl estraordinary lifigenele 4
year. The Committee would obscene thatn meat
e
ble redaction would be found,t, be made .unilershis
bead. in consequence of "die measures entered into by
his Majesty's Ministers for the grading% dilination of
the public espeaditagp.• Tim present volt divided itself
into two branches. tail ordinary and extressidioary 00
peadititre. He elated, dint nailer that Isserkotthe or&
`nen expenditure, there was a.redactiers otgli.OUOL and
, with,. .that of the Betteisedivelte...n./onbistion -cd.
771,0001. There was no item increased eateeet that of
the widows' pensions to the anionnt of 75. in constr.
%settee of the faller. of the flied; std sandier of_pei*
benssod superaenuatiocorte certain office's. The His.
sprawl than stated the items in wlslett redessiontind
Mee made, and the amount of Om same. flostatailebst
lboOote bad been prepared in the snag penoer enlist
Orr, a concluded by moving that a sum sof exceeding
aid
IM IN. id. be granted to his IlEajestit to defray the
• 'barges et salaries and contingent etpenses 'of the Ad-
miratty-Office for the year littg: "' •.. •• •
Loans or ?NO sieitilerr.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY Insets vim; for a rib:tilos in
this reeolation, by removing the junior Lords dike Ai.
esiralty. The Board of Admiralty was .formed. be bo-
geyed, bathe reign of Henry VIII., and sisieetbat period
hid been coutinneil in ma different sh,peei. is the
leer 1762, when Prince Sieorge was Lord High Ad-
elltiAthere were four Lords; and a general sum wqe
egenthimt the establishment. 'ln the yea', 'I7N flee.
Lads ; is the year 1714 the", weinbeselt
rintlibe .411.11Nrese Gas and sineeehatperiod Id •
*ere were**. but the precedent aloraet. ho eohidirnel
ta
ttb:
e
was dot sole** to justify the eFgepti if it sy amnia.
Miry. Pulliam time of war, be Willey might
Veithmision "junior Lords; brit now' • the pub
lie bedialiiiloilmiterially leavened: that tht lei', wad
is a etas of idyl distress, sad that otonestirivis callet
...411cipit thought tho boom woubl we dm sereearity
of agile.. by two. At the plisepillvAlsee Sheen
4, were
..I.9mointir.?tril for the ,serqlge- et y nor
this litlepo riffles. service. and shire Imo,- _
about" IN skips in eoninsisiion; .14- r . ,
I MIR ohm and nearly .Itat Alp* fil - . an
in thireompnralrely. roasted oat.. tray . . • .11.41
- - ' altogether - - silbrient4ifti lege+
- ' - ' -ebt it

baseight eke subject before the House. 10010 NA& diar.
his motion, contending *a Mine peel.'
iratilli=ll4 toe the Committee of Financlume* sillier
The Cospalittee, however, in subsume., salt that lief
atthail whatever to do with it, became/it hail'lteek.
• by the House. There was* one &Asa
W boat offered for the eoutineareer df•Diees
tail& he thought was really Indigenes. It had
loos said that the Board was necessary for the Odoelltioll
of young politicises; to qualify them. la •fees, "•tite
i high aid elbeitiat etations."—(A laegh4 H. et
' pot it to the Noise whether, if there was aa) broassik ad
the public service which required awe AMA dadiaarr
attention, and some degree of expeeierita.
was not the Naval ?—(Hear, bear.) And yetlinAloael
urged for the continuance of them sin Lords, t Oily.
were young gentleman learning their lessons. . Fa,
greeted the removal of his Right Hon. Friend dilliehisfilt
1 (Sir Oeorge Warrender) who certainly had been titiefll
paid for receiving his own education ; Init'as Imbed sols.
ceeded to the Board of Uontroal, be (Sir N. IL) f
the removal was none of the best; as, theta Win MP
thief for him to do at the latter Board, he might
all ha had been taught at his owe political wheel.,'
('Sir M. R.) had been assured, that souse time silt,
young gentleman of rank, who wished to servo ifits
oppo country, under the care of the NablaMarqweee
had been appointed to the Board of Contrail; lord
ing anxious to perform his public duty, went. to I t
Ake, and was told "he was not wanted." The Beetles
Iso replied. "Oh, yes; I am a Comsnissiesiee.".4
Well, Sir, that is of no consequence: yet meek Wit;
tend until you are summoned."—" When shall I lo.sigpfli
mooed ?" —" It is impossible to say, Sir, hut the Ithlt
sunsaiont was issued about ilsreeyearsago."-4(A langit3
He really feared that his Right Hon. Friend Wag poke
mixed to this Board, would get out of pritctielyAt
(Laughter.) The Noble Marquess had promised-tat
so reduction consistent with sound principles wookl %If
opposed ; provided regard were paid to " vested HO
memo." It certainly appeared that these offices were'
considered vested interests; for on the late appointee,*
of an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Keith Douglas) te
one of them, a circular letter hail been sent ronaitt
the correspondents of the house in which be was • la
nor, stating that as be hail been appointed to a sittiaettli
at the Admiralty, lie had retired from Ittisineseeaddifill
same would appear No longer in the Oran. lid weal&
be sorry if the Hon. Member should lose both •his el-
tualions.—(A laugh.) The sense of the country upon
the subject of tl.• reduction of taxation bail long been
declared; and he believed that the division last night
bad shews the sense of the House upon the sate sub.
jact. Those who supported the motion for repealing the
tialt.Tiut, would, he trusted, give their support to the
alsoliment be was about to propose. sad 'has satisfy the
country that they were not altogether lolllterent to the
eansideration of the public expinadlided; Tide • Hos.
Baronet aoacia•led by,aatoviag as amaimiledlit, redltelog
Um proposed vete by 211•111 t" •I, 'il I - •UV
.' air Jilimaroirr said ha allaiill'aviiiiilialide 6!•:1_
of.reductioa had lii viliFfriertorF .. e.frilksTr.
V ' "X Mat w11460,01q StisibAkilMr4NPA*

be sorry to ier Ibeveb-

nicely Waned ao lo,ionur
but he called open the cholloollof
that Min ster. were seriously la-
, hear.)lf reduction would pet
he knew out whit would. He agreed
. Moroni who moved the Amendrent, het it
1,411111• 1
sew bet tke principle which was th. object of
Hoar, heir, heat.?—lt was true, that these two
=lllMowele spend only 2,0001. a year, but if Mem-
Moue, they could vote away thousands.—
linen so man in his senses could contend
tbablbe seem number of Lord. was necessary In peace as Is
war. He assured Ministers he eared not a farthing for tbelrl
pieces, sued that so far Cron wishing to see them termed Mt,
be would support them If necessary ; but be Itainesible sar
epsilon% to retrench the public expenditure. He feendibipi
epos dm ipiestlon of last night, there were many Messlierel
who were :Odes lo their own cane.—(Cheers.)—He gala
his hearty suppoPt.k? the sandmen.
Sir OF.OfttiE fft‘IESURN said, that every year's
experience. if possible, lacreased his conviction tif the
propriety of the formation, of the Board of Admiralty.
It slight happen that the safety of the State might de-
pend upon the Board being 414, to act. He had refer-
red to• thin records of thiteitaidishment as far beck as
tie! period of the Mevoludps. a famed that there were
sive lie Jenior Lords. • sod be therefore thong the
Bed. Barisint's nerve of information must be loco
suit thi Li-Qs heed tin

osolli3Oial ilitiote of pen% an that in the course Olds*
last year one of the Lay Loris was, in his opinion, the
moat usefnl of all who were attached to the Board.
Mr. BERNAL rose to Owe., that when the subject
was before the house, on silrirtner occasion, there was a
dihroesion on the office of Lord High Admiral of Scot-
land, which it was almost sacrilege, to touch upon.
However, this year he bad struck his flag, though, last
year. Ministers held that it was impolathle that so int-
poitant an office con:dire abolislsed.,,,Ho would sok, if
that office could be dispensed with'thlw yee..wlsy not
theism year also? He pressed that, as the* conhtcy war
now in the seventh or eighth year of peace—oullrNary
raleired to 119 vessels, including ships of the line, which
was not one-tenth of the number in war, that it Dec.,-
wily followed there could not be even irshadow of ne-
amity fur continuing six Lordh of the Admiralty. In
conclusion Ise said, if the house slid not adopt a rigid I
system of economy—if a war should unfortunately anay
when all the energies of the country shoul4 be calla*
forth, it woilld be unable to meet the exigencies of dot
moment. T
Admiral SOTHERTON made a few observation
which were inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. MAIIRYArf supported U.. amendment, on the
general principle. that reduction wah absolutely neces-
sary, end the house ought to manifest every disposition
to pat the principle in force.
srst ALTHORN& supported the motion of his HOD.
Friend.. lie thought two Lords could do the business
of On eat-porlioas well as • three ; OW in cases where
mitNwas a sliffereace of opinion, it might be referred to
I. ' First Lord.rof the Admiralty.
ISAAC COFFIN. said that the Lords of the Ad-
mit ball very great Omer i they: had the power of
lift tend bath; and in 'cane of mifily fiber might tack
-- • preasitd.--(A tin )—lie I'.
Netting ra-

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the Atieuriment, as could not concur in the necessity
of maintaining via jimmy lards in the time of peace.
-Mr. FORBES said It few words, which were inaudible
is the gallery. We believe he spoke in favour of the
Amendment.
Mr: LYTFLETON said if economy were not enforced
1 by the Members of that House it was quite nugatory.
be voted against as amendment on a former occasion;
hat front the change of circntustances in the country, he
thought blame treaty of no inconsistency in giving his
note for the present amendment. Ministers might to
*ld an impartial band over all offices, and sot tontine
their reductions to the minor ones.
ME EGERTON svisii cd for the retrenchment of all tin-
stecessiry and expelisive establishments,as the best means
of eupportieg public credit.
' Sir 41E0. WAI(RRNDER said, that the administra-
tion of the fund of tkeeowich Hospital was a ditty which
fell to one of the junior Lords of the Admiralty. This
was a duty which had fallen to hint when in office, aid
he could assure the house that the ditty was so laborioese.
that it was not in his power to be absent from London
'More than two months in the year; and that the labour
attached to the Ave was one of the reasons which had
iilliseal Ilia tit aviiWilytisis it.--(Hear, and langliter.)-1 t
E a
rittisemlAtea tidtelsgatreeideeriibe.
Tabour
orf tlwthaitclisto owe...yr:bide
ii inistint with their comforts;'aml that must be the
se if there were fewer Lords of the Admiralty than
,tkse al present In office. •
Sir. ORENFELL was convinced that the present
was a period which snore than ever called for the re-
darvion•eow- moved for by Lis Hon. Friend, which he
would upper,.
Mr. GOOCH felt that it was absolutely necessary to
Ved'oce eitwnses and establishments of every kind, and
be was persoaded there was no occasion fur continuing
the present large establiehteent of the Admiralty.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that u the
Hoo. Baronet had pressed this motion on the ground of eco-
nomy, and of diwinistg the influence of the Crown, he
Meek, now state the sons why he could not agree with
the H. Baronet. the first place, it could be no great
limberly to rednce t sum of 3,000/. ; the advantage must
deviled on's balance illOweep the profit and loss to the pub-
-11l:' In the affairs of riiate life, matters could never be so
aessaged That the pels having the nianagentent of them
could•b• elweys at the' iittet; and such was the case in public
Mikes, like that now peoposid to be reduced. He did not,
therefore, conceive that tbe reduction of 4,000 f. a-year in
this office could prodecelwisyneflt equal to the disadvantage
wislek the public service 11111. m experience from it ; particu•
lariy when are considerest the nature of service performed,
,sad the advantage of having two Boards instead of one.—
Ilwalre saving could not be In any respect consistent with
Ihopplaelples of economy, simpered to the nthantage of
treimithoirtsleess of de oaks eondtieted with due *Hen-
limmddeamegy. Tule (region had been much mti;it'ed out
Of dadlaii Waster never ireeldagree to a plan of economy
prrialApeo. the purpose t)/ .sualias en impre Mon out of

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vim; He Meld bare se iAlrestineerant M this qesstisid,
blebs viewed It merely as oat of 'midis utility; it Itheilt
isigillisriny say advantages the Ministers et the Clovis
adift diri►e from It. 9esilemes bad` talked of littipset
Idareitie of the inilaseee‘,o( tba Crown; hat be sew meal
90ege to easy seek doetdm u that which me so astaUsisaliy
forth so that every perm aetimarder the Iteies was
aslmteiby sordid feeling,. He weeld always repel every Let. '
Masdlet♦ftlskied. There *ever was a period is oo r bistery
wise dee indnemee of the Crowe wits so Mall as at primal.
MI when poplar Mimes was so peat over the Haase of
(Issimons as at the present moteept.—(Hear, bear.)—He
dierefore protested &pleat the principle laid down, that the
Members of that Hotlll4l were booed to vote for the purpose
.(sniselal die Mosses of t►e Crown..rest he oomeived the
Illembissemild fairly'
Moe omit to. be. He
rooOdolog rittgeoteh
to that of effecting t
lb. Constitution ; and
fhe same ground.
Sir JOHN SEIM!
to, declared that lie o
se any ot►er Minister.
Indeed, there was no in.
he airmail be lesa intlised
be (Sir J. Sebrialst)
tempt to remove the
.were gibers is-

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heated by different
Lord LONIXENDI
not accept of may ..._
Baronet at the expense
Mr. S. WORTLEY did n .e Crowe ha-
too much power, for there 'levee was a tints when the ...
Croun had so little power. Bet he thought op*.
principles of economy that the Admiralty Irina -
ought to be reducal;lsecause bethought she deir
Board could be performed by r loss 50u1404
blie
than the presest; and it was on the rroeld atiosilillini
and on that alone, that he supperted the natio. of the-, i •
lion. Baronet.
Sir M. W. ItIDLEY spoke in reply. He said it ',' , •
.4
been admitted that two naval dicers, who were L. 't •oi
of the Admiralty, had beta at sea in time of war, who di . or N
it was supposed that they were performing their duty as ..
the Admiralty Board; oral therefore it was trident diet
~.
four werefully competent w peter's' the dudes ia tinge el
peace.
fhe Committee then divided, when the seabird

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were—
For the motion, 132—Agaiaet it, 123—aftiority
against 311oisters, 64. • :
The moment this daisies eras anneillled, NeeAMA* -
rang with shoats of apple's. from the Oppesitioa aide:
The nest motion put by the It:tains-in was, that -stolid
of 31,34141. be gusted for defrarng the expense of, the
Nary Pay °See.
Mr. HVAIE said he should oppose the vote en the -
ground thatthe nelentionseteaumasendel by itiedllujeady
had met been smile in this olepastatent. During the last
Session he was anxious that the hoes* should consider
the duty which the Navy Pareffiee area to perform. ft .
differed little from that of an wrelioary . banker ; and on
that ground a reduction' win . No tummy
was keptin this olfice; its whole. slut pas to receive
checks, aid give other checks, whisk. were paid by the
- -I, of
.Eng Lhal • and the wholesif the thsty might be 1.'...,, •
.. ,
' - ltalialkelleo eistakel .fierce time ago, a . .
**t Hie offiewsbosio a large emu ot.
a kmilltuelladed with-Nem ""!•":s4lB)tia.. ~..
' •-•-•• bad ew large a' .. -", - •• r
: advetted -
curtailment-
provisions were
and' when ten per
• tlseir per
• sod be
cheapness,
I take* from
reduction, in-
..l at onee to
',Amgen' of
this ',portal reduction
ought to . Accord-
ing to : I obtsine I
them, he, _ reductions
hail to eft , _ exceptin,. dismission of
some junier-relerks. He should therefore saboiit
an amendment to the Committee, embodying.
the principle which he bad ensleavoored to enforce.
and lie trusted that. he should hommported in his pro-
position, because from all he saw of the estimates be felt.
persuaded that this was the wily way they had left to the:l
of enforcing an immediate reduction ef all salaries. He
would not admit the opinion, that if the salaries are low, •
the country would not he able to ohtaih etficient !we-
' mints. Old they think that if the salary of the Treasury
of the Navy were reduced one-third, there would not he
(mind an individual to fill the office es ably as it was od-
copied by its present possessor? .The doctrine that they
could not get the duties well pedometer!, except they gave'
high salaries, was erroneous. Proceediug a* !hots.
views of the case at issue, between the Government and
the country, which he had endeavourel to explain, be
should propose that, instead rot Ott 31,304 f. which atuoti
in the resolution now before (bit Lpiansittee, there he in-.
troduced, as an amendment, theism. of 23,1781. whic't
was a reduction of 23 per cent., 0r7,8•.)6/. Hailfie pur-
sued that coshes which lie thought right. headiateld have
proposed the total aholitioa of the-hike, for it oat ofthe
reports of the Finance l:onstnifters its duty anti Mimi-
druid to be merely that. of a banker.
The amendment having been read— .. * ..., . •
The lion. F. ROBINSON rose. He was somiewltat sore
prised at the Hon. Member's proposition, because he lag
year required a reduction of tWout (0,0001. la this office ;
and now, when there was a reduction of between 7 aid
8,00 W.. he required a still lyxger ;.iiiteficio than was for..
seedy urged. It was contenll4,o the details oa this st.t-
jeet, that the Mika of Treaders* e l'lliry slight be filled
by any ardivary iudisidual. Tife,Committee of 1017 bad
expressed a similar opinion. It Wilone, however, that he
denied: Hefted not merely to partnose who might present
themselves; he had to examasifin elecounts, to see whe-
ther they were right, and to. ascantaia that the parties
were properly entitled. It vas said that the office wts
merely that Of a banker. A beaker bad only to satisfy
himself of the accuracy of a signature; but In this sie-
five he had shewn there was something more to do.--,
There were other duties of importance to freeform ; for
the mode of paying officers' and windows' mosions had
of late years been altered. The ease was fully discussed
last year, and the objections weresatisfactorily answered
in the estimation of the House, ant eves in Ihlll or the
H.,. Merntier ; and the expense of the of wee now
reduced, from that period; upwards of 7,otittf. The i..-
portant duties of examining ,peamen's wills, of control-
mg prise agents, Wc. also came within this deportment.
All these duties were of that character, that he only
wished those who hail an itripeo%ct. notjun of them, to
pass two or three of their dotted days at the
• office; and he thought they ',retold afterwarois,entertain
very different opinions on the sultjeeta..• iii; reply t t
those who contended that nothing. in tittlemyof reilm,
?lam had been effected in this °Nice, he pnly -re-
wl
peat that those breaches bad beeniettneed, a that lour.
teen persons heal been removed frets high edit As. 4.).,1
such reduction really aumuot ta melsiog *1 rho declared
to .iieb an ette,•nt had the reductions heir ear.iesi—, 4
order that the Address of • shgt Muse to the 'Throne

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sie pubz 411 ER 1; AC aait 4 se o Nr•
T 4 "liale•lWpolliktippat 4 Jo yew
• itios this estimate. Ile lacrosse and rapsojtura 84 too
SABERLY explatoort. "Sir J. 03130 said that it was oie aidllieg per ' • •
• surpleay th? tort but be cal
:B PIKNELL (ire sodersteed) said, that the aim wan.
612•41“ b. attended to all 51w Mr. HUMB wished to kern; " of lb* 8144,11°z,...i sh‘i! , t WWI
oiistioa of &recants toat what poled any
mite &periwigs. exception midst be totem to the aawber of wanon. °WI" t° ritnnom—glesir. haor.)—
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IJUME coadelbaad tbe worm-Iwo of th. Mr. CROKBR said, Ja the rots for the-wages at the sePPPA-Reblie anat. knew sot
11t r' -
fteenrals. There were scarcely two glee.
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toes se Hot lieut. ...s.af.t.,, ~' ._.a • MO ino Crane • and In -monist ti
sir), NEBrisoltir would be ea also to loom obe. fire !Ards altogether wave gliffitielli4filliriMlClrtinfiia. ' Wt. Y tber 'night Inch was kapon this other ; its echoic, dutj pas to
Iher„y „id, 01„tem emu is he owe tj the tualotem des of the Board of Admiralty. No
iiusbt Is soorktba spat many hi they pleasid.A lit .)---Ile hail known checks, aid sive other checks, which were paid
The tumicELunt the . • , Egfamisolif. twit -bought these Lords wee. eery seeress detect. the " "iltrall.rffett oar Illetbielf ran attack on hint- Ilenkof.Esit Wel ; awl the eholimed the awe to
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ea. biumiers to osatmeoto of the fhoo.: . os; is self. Th. lariat of the Adtedwitek hod a greet deal of periwinard by half alleillen *leak . NOVIe tulle
gifl4.wahrrhid.ll/7„;Aaa. It f....rg =mil bisi die of tin house; het be **mkt tkee . . . wit, Iltael - :d? occupy their tiostrisiMe had kaows - Lord 'isearitadio looks/ha/ so this ellactralwei is large
i„, taistielt; laic do 3--4, . 'ado 21.16, ~loy their. time In correctra . tie, - . r ' 10.%,,,,ti . 14F.01.e. 1/1"111401111101.490,11100‘e
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, .1„.. . sts, of • „inn., raise you. , • he well rote tar a •iOn of one if it had to the asylums iotended to im, loads by the cart
oho ..ss 4; To; of Om Board, and observed 1314. "11.0...',
44010:1dtt halt. ' Ito*, however, vote for of salaries. In the year .111Lli, .when provisiot
It" ;, ei fats liege labial 'illy Ilia thine should be re•. double the price they were at pretest, and when
"'Li inis „ass be is togwriwappil ditiwb,lch,,, her of this junior Lords iri Onset war . ,gm . 461
,• di Lostecis dinicisiontson.boo„„ the „, *tiered too large, yet it would be' , o ilifil s '.."'S ', ' ''4' il :..' "• ' cent. was paid by placetnea on the Income Tax, 1
link . Ali'v--,ila Alt last weak bees smaller than eldererie. whether . reduction I.llol4ll,_l6Wrjet ' ' •ifr• GP'S WAG frellifelearitithe gallery, and was comes were Israeli less than they wets at present
4.
it ali as& a maws to peace." The principle dime talaliftetsetenal le IttViliihht- ' • 1.10 tit t 25/. per cent. ought. at thistles. of chi
.i 4 (;-; . , : the foadgwiEdi „id. thin been acted
Cl not with ree toasts illessilititsited4 1440.tell,AlICELOE o'filicial I.:HEQI.- ER made some a re there was no Income Tat; .to be take
the ' i4- 'wheat ao war bority, respect to the lerks. Now harthe six jathiLdedieweitaith varrerts en what had fa en froth the last speaker; he t ries ; and he also theught the redact
mai that-the best mode of pt.-4414nd for superannuated ,of being applied to a bled, ought to go at
iretellthahit sea apeotheseadsoewiskb,„ eessary, how could the business be path! Althea",
aoiniosinsid tits pod. .
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......,. the -Cleiks, who, in feet. Performed most a Allters. Spprated to him to be the sitting apart of 5 the relief of the public. And he world avail hi
115wn a . ~. ..:‘,- *dm labour. But the fact was, that x. . apt .of percent: from those who bad Me eslaries. With regard this epportunity.to state, that this principle of re
1156111PCIPPit , sk nag. main slim Lords constituted a source of n,•4 it,' to the higher eaters, piers was to be a reduction of 10 ought to be carried through ail lb. Estimates.
l
s the cause of their continuance. nek 'rat: Per rent. ~ ing to the Estimates, as farce they bad yet c
thiss, sose so'. oodiini.nia. Haw „iie mere saving of an aneualtalol. that be " (mit' . ail Me. ELLIS- anytaorlo:l the amenduvnt. • them, he eras prepared to show that ao re(
mem -iNg to „,,, „„ of fjtll.fox „gams kiwi, it was the principle of_patronage and hadiseo•wided lic C. COLE said fr was ilevote.lly attached to every had taken place, excepting is the dismis
ire to whoe.i. vose to, he wow. it be siodenit„d da, he wished to attack. When he had oa a gorooyeeeredbe tbli etteneeted wit Alt profession but from a tense some junior Clerks. He should therefore
„Id artioe„..l4 sum hi ...A.I. am", sod chick the brought the subject before the Howse, 111/0 Labe* Oar. of .'ter towards h ' eonitituents lie should vote for an amendment to the Coinesittee, entl
.. . . ... vAtem . . ._ - nee.. a.allsea its motion- eout•odlow visa. is. luso sew tee Atiesdnient, as could not concur in the necessity the principle which he bad eelleaeouved to

was of the Crown, and•he conceived the
r to look at what the toluenes in ques-
ts bad already objected to the moths.
Burghs, because its object apweere'd
a species of Reform thot woulskle@re
dhe should object tis presont eantina
LIMIT conceiving bisonlf
never insionated thntisswillselieSe
ter was actuated kr •
no awn in the. hour, againid
Whim' to asehe the in%ineatiossw •
t) was the law wan lobe sewilsk
Noble Lord from his situation 114
dens facto whose 000de—ort worier. - —4 • ir
feel, wire.
)EKRY explained. He said ho enola
compliment from the Hossierahle
pence of those with whose he wird.
&Y did not think that the Crown bail
Dr there GeV", was a time when the