The Statesman.
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system was already developed in its effects upon the
common enemy." It then appeared, that if AmeriCa
were to release herself from 'the operttion• of our
Orders in Council, she was to be consenting to and
assisting in the plan fq.the complete exclusion of our
manufactures and colonial produce from every, part.
of the Continent of Europe. This being' the case,
he would wish to know upoti what principle any ma-
nufacturers or merchants in this country could expect
to be much benefited by the repeal of the, Orders in.
Courieil? If our Orders were caned anti-commercial
and anti-neutral, what name was to bf'given to the

atfectedioProsCriterhe commerce between this coun-
try and America. No*, 'he had read with attention
the whole of the volumitiout correspondence, the
production of which was moved for by his Hon.
Friend ; and the impression which the perusal left
Ripon his mind, was, that France had repealed that
part.of her Decrees which interfered with the com-
merceofAmerica with this country ; and that; there-
fore, America was entitled to be relieved from the
pressureeiq our Orders in Council as far as they af-
fected her interests. Could-it possibly, be meant by
Mieisters; that Anier4civelthei iigigeri with

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I lif,ylif France? I
present proceedings. The lion. Gentleman had found , policy . It was her ieti-neus. policy to effect; or ought teriaterfemi for theintrOteet:_of re-
great faults with Lord Nyellesley for not-going into a ' engulph in her own .power andallettd6l64 all neutral sisting.the courilifentia -blockade, tip 'le' si:sd this,
detail of what principles of )docisade our . Govern- I ltewers whit!) she was able to atteisk.--- In this anti- . country ?;• As ittll'itight she demand r*ra-t
snent was ready; to abandon, in order to purchase of . neutral spirit, Ilamhurgh was deprived of. its indeelof the BOUrbont to-the Thtone'ofFMtice.s.slikehehld
France the revocation of the Berlin and Milan De- '; pendencermecely because. France declared that this .be glad tehear fttinit Ministeri' in-Whit rehiect '.
trees. The first letter which he alluded to of the'! wart* m sh'of destriying British trade and taking F,rench:Dectmes iterettatt, tiCallintents arriel'isurpihiAt)
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soth of April, was written preciseiy and entirely , lintlifiS :a. IVhat neutral was ever sa-fe that,the repealedA.l3l4y tees trod 11*AineriCans. sc regular •
for the purpose of asking Lord Wellesley that (islets I arms tif-F : *oold.reactil It wasl then; a queation, asitilicatiod of this repeat hid :been communicated)
tien. The American Minister, however, must have i whether We w dot entitled to callignin honker:hi- from tie/ FfeWch Milffiter for "riireigti'-..kffairi to the
been well aware at I hat time, that if there were any tionsaoasiett.ind maintain theft sigliasS agdoatiat,, .ActerisatiSeternaierif; apeePi**- n14E1'4;0414 with'
one question more than another which our Govern- fer thentselves. to be made intsitiste .instisnixints.io this. privistil 'let thi44elitivisinneiti 41d' not' aired.,
ment was determined not to mix up with the question the hand; 4•
knacts, to secoddilir. hest le der. ' . itec th‘:enntrtiental . iyaeri if;t*h- .France had'
of the Orders inCouncil, it was precisely this question .inns -agaaa t-thl country. lf* 'die' Freneh Go. :sdopted.".-IVitit;,..thetty. -could Aineritat -eta? Her
about blockades. lt could hardly be supposed, that We yeszenetst heisAeirivsd to tarn trade 'into a sword' .Gbverumbdt'dottlenetasay to rrinCet yeti afe not to
would give an answer to France, how much of our rights, And.c*imitte.:titn'nvesures of . bestilltragainst us ; be. believed, -Welt after alt. Ai decliarations yoti have
of blockade we were ready to surrender,': in .ord..er and neutral nati as will bend, their hands to sharpen made. 'But ilieri- fraistltis additionid Proof of their'
to purchase for the Americans. a revoCation' Of 'the Orli indiuMent, intended for, our ;destruction, they .revocation iitiffetting.ArneriCa, that there had since
Berlin and 'Milan Decrees. As to the correspond' • baratiogfeat right to complain, even although they: nno ode •Inetance -of' these Decrees haling been
dente between Mr. Pinkney and Lord Wellesley, -iftillay sofferssainethirg by the operation Of the Order* actedoes . llear; hear:4 front the'fli-easur.y fienchl
the Hon. Gentleman, upon reading it, could discover tin Council'. - It was not ass wish to enter into a disr I Orthisat least" he.Wesi„Certain; that Mr. Foster weal
nothing but what was conciliatory in the letters Of ; eussionsiovenf these points for Which the Hod. Gensi called tapoia'by the-daitiiiidati Minister 'to-point otia p
Mr. Pinkney, and nothing but what was unconcilia- t tiesiran wished those Papert to he produced ; and he single instaneenf -44 serf; lint' his silence`afforle
tory on the part of Lord Wellesley, he could net i should viito agaiest the productionlof -them, • bereusis ed a' drongientifirmittion that no such'instande Wit
account for such a construction of the correspon- ihe thought that Ministers ought. nottwity a intlifihmlin %vigils& • The Right: lienourible* 94.0 t 1 enia n '
deuce upon any other principle than the partiality , Bo* for a discussion which, in their opinion, had' broadly &dared, that' lie would long remain
which the lion. Member had avowed for America.-:-- might do harm at the present moment, and contd..; in Pewee, and had not- given the smallth hint,
Now, as to the letter which was said not to have ,be productive of no good. The Honourable Gee.) of...coricession ;- there was • every reason to fear,
been answered, the subject of that letter was the re. tleman seemed to think, that the correspondence ~therefore, that.. a war with America would speedily
cal of Mr. Jackson, and the appointment of another' between the . two countries " was now finally 4 etisie, if, indeed, even at present we could be said
Minister in his place. Mi. Pinkney himself, in his : closed, and that, therefore, there could' be melee e., at peace with her. The lioneurable Mem-
correspondence with the American Government, I danger in their production. He, for his parat :her then proceeded .16 contend, that the system
stated, that after writhe; that letter, he had had ' hoped that the correspondence was not finally closed;;,' introduced by the Orders in Council was in it-
many communications with Lord Wellesley on the and while a hope of that sort remained, however self en evil, even leaving out of view the imminent
subject, and repeated opportunities of personal in-; slight, he would wish to cherish it, and do nothing denier of their involving its in the calamitous con-
tercourse ; and that he was informed by his Lord-' which could increase irritation. He thought it pos.. !test with America. Nothing could more surprise him
ship, and had no doubt of the fact, that a Minister . Bible that there were points in those discussions ;than to hear the Hon. and Learned Gentleman op-
would soon be sent out to America. If that letter, which might still be brought to a favourable issue, posite (Mr. Stephen) talk so loudly of our commerce
therefore, was not formally answered, it was be- , and which could hardly be expected if those matters being prostrate before these Orders were adopted;
muse the information sought for by Mr. Pinkuey had were publicly discussed in that goose. He was es- and asserting that they had produced great commer-
been communicated in another manner. The ground tremelydesireus to believe that the uual issue might i cial prosperity. lle could hardly believe it possible i
upon which Mr. Pinkney specifically demanded his :be different from what appeared the present state of , that any man should be so utterly ignorant of the
passports was, that no Minister had been sent out to things, and therefore, he did not feel himself at li- , state of our trade,—so utterly unacquainted with all
America, according to promise. He was inforMed ; berty to go freely into' such a discussion until the ; that was going on around him, as to bring forward;
at the time, that the only ream-villa' a Minister had : final determination... There wereanany points in the! such an assertion.—[Hear, heart]—The number of !
not been sent out sooner, was the situation is I conduct of America whlelt he could not now dame- i bankruptcies every day taking place,—the crowds of
which theGovernmentfound itself for the two months i terite by Ocoee epithets that- he would conceive him- ! starving manufacturers in our towns—thecircunt-
ia consequence of his Majesty's illness. Hat-Would I self justified in using, if an amicable. settlement of stance of whole regiments being necessary to keep the
much rather that the lion. Gentleman (Mr.Whit-Ithose points Wants impossible. An Hon. Gentle- peace in one of our great manufacturing districts,—
bread) had gone into an argument on the justice and I man (Mr. Cerwen) had more than once in the i and the Petitions sent up from the Potteries, from
policy of the measures pursued-with respect to Ame-1 course of - his " speech, expressed a hope that ' Sheffield and Liverpool, all proved the calamitous ef-
rice, than that he should have stated generally as he ' his• Majesty's present Ministeri were not likely fects of the Orders in Council on the commerce °kite
had done, that those measures.,were unjust and imp:). long to held thwt situation.—[Hear, hear !]— country. It was natural, however, for the Learned
litic. Ile believed the Hon. Gentlemanditlatot mean Whatever golden dreams might he indulged on Gent. to be enamoured of a system,to which his own ,
to deny the principle that we had a righrof retalia-a' this snbjeet, Ise • must say, that, as far as he writiugs had so greatly contributed. The Orders in ,
lion against France, for all those evils which her injas- knew any thing Shout the matter, he rather. ima. ; Council, besides their other pernicious effects, had lost'
tice to neutral nations. and neutral commerce should Aided-that the Hen. Gentleman would find, that his ! us, it could net be denied, one important branch ofl!
bring upon this country. At least, this principle consolatory prospects' would not open upon him quite i trade,—that with America itself. The lion: Meajber
was not first promulgated by those who are now hereto pleasantiy, as; its had imagined: t Mortises* !Fr then proceeded to•obserseoliz tin, Oillee ale Cionisicik
hlajesty's Ministers : it had been distinctly and ea-, Rut if the system which the lion. Gentleman so 'of the 7th Jan. 180(1, which went to prohibit the
thoritatively declared, before they came into office, striangly recommcpded, were to be a system dictated I Americans from carrying on the coisting-imde pf the,.
by the Gentlemen. who now sat on the other side.— to the'Governinent of this country to pursue, then, i enemy. This measure he thodgkeperfettly justifiable;
The first of those measure; was the blockade of 1806, indeed, he should feel happy to quit his present si- ! he would not give upthe coasting-trade; and guy dis-
which was imposed by hfr. Vox, and which was at .tuatien, and riot-to form a part of any Administra- ' cussion which might • have arisen with the American
that time londlx complained of both by France and lima which should-pursue a course so hostile, as he -Government on that subject, could never, have pro-
' America. The. authors of the, Orders iu Commit for conceived, to the true interests of the country. l duced any hostile feelings. The limes and Learned
the blockade of 1807 only acted upolt the principle
.; Me. pASTARD said, that when he read the re. I Gent. opposite had talked in very imposing languitge
which had been strongly, and, as 'they conceived; sotetiens pissed in America, he wished that resole- !of the importance of preservingonr maritime fights ;
properly laid
,down by their predecessors, and fol. dont of a cofifrary nature should be passed to meet but he did not see how they,were connected with the
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lowed, in this respect, their example.- Ile thought them. ' The. American Government had in fact de- Orders in Council. In the correspondence between
the Gentlemen. who' supported the original-measure •:chtititi,"•ttixt they would .gp to war; with this country I Mr. Foster and the Arnerisan Government, the for
in 1806, ought not now to be the personi to raise as soon artbey wereVrepareo. He thought that such ! mer had expressly admitted that the blockade of 1806
their voice against the justice and the 0116- of -the! resoletionimight faitly be Mit' by. a declaration of : would not be again enforced, unless it was thought
measures since- pursued. lie should be at all times
.war upon'our part. . . ! proper to maintain it by a sufficient naval force. The
ready to maintain, that they were consistent with • Mr.'llßßßßldihonght thit arse'• with America ' American Secretary seemed to receive this intimation
justice and policy, and with the relation which 4tater ought' 4% be aioidedas much as porPile. He had . with great satisfaction ; so that it 'really appeared
bear to each other, in ,the extraordinary circlain.! gent doubta_arltether we were right in the present I that the sole ground of difference between the two
stances in which the *orld it-placed at 'the present 4uaritir"Arloaihat hid been so much talked of, ; Gpvernments lay in the Orders in Council. lie
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moment. When the Hon. Gentleman talked of mer- ouraiiaritimetglils;' he believed that much of what ; trusted, therefore, that when the Hon. Gent. again
rtntile distress, and attribbted it all to the. Orders in iiacclaimed a Maritime rights, was somewi:at doubt- ' used that high and Inflammatory language as to the
Council, he most positively deny that it Was occa-*iful. It appeared now, that we were to maintain . maintenance of our maritime rights, be would explain
shined by those measures : on •the contrary, It wad I those rights, as they were called, against althost all himself a little more particularly, and shew where
iming to them that the distress was not much greater. Europe. lie hoped that those rights which were to they were threatened or endangered.
It was to what was called the Continental Syitem Ishe maintained against so formidable a force, would Mr. STEPHEN, in explanation, denied that be
that this mercantile distress 'was °Wing • and this be just and clear beyond dispute. : had represented the trade of this country as in a
ss stem had been much controlled and checked'
in Its ' Mr. BARING said, that notwithstanding the flourishing state. lie had merely reminded the
nrogress by the Orders in Council. Al the Hon. , moderation expressed by the tone and manner of House, that it had appeared from a mass of evidence,
Gentleman has professed not' now to enter into ! the Right lion. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the that prior to the Orders in Council the trade of the
the ergament of the justice and policy of thole l Exchequer), still he felt perfectly confident, front , country was prostrate, and that it was raised by
measures, he should also content himself with just the state of the discussions between the two coon- these Orders to the most flourishing situation it had
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glancing, as he had done, at the reasons which tries, and from the prevailing feelinain this country, ' ever experienced. The causes of the present con:-
math, him consider 'them neither unjust nor impolitic. I that it was hardly possible that war could be avoided. ' meecial distresses were re 7 different. -
Ile deprecated hostilities with America (if thee emildllC it were carried on in the spirit aid tone expressed ! Mr. WILBERFORCE conceived, that the argu-
be avoided) as much as any man; for he agreed with , by an Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. St- i ment of his Right lion. Friend, that the production
the Hon. Gentleman, in believing that thostrue pro. i pheu), lie augured most serious mischiefs from it.. of the papers in question would be extremely incon-
sperity of America would produce the prosperity- of :As to the feelittg of this country, it was at • least as venient while negociation was still depending, Was-
&Mint : and that there were much greater advah- ;strong against America in the time of the last Ame. ' entitled to considerable weight; for it was impossible
feral to be derived from the wealth of' America, in a I ricau sear, lie prayed to God that the termination ito disconnect the papers already printed, and in the
friendly commerce, than could be expected from pro- iof the war which he now anticipated might not be as hands of the public, with those documents which
"king her to war; Under these impressiont, he
re-: as that,of the last war. if we were not then i might be at present interchanging between the two
thought that peace -should be: maintained and pre- : able ad conquer diem, what could we now do against ; Governments, and which might be of the greatet im-
served as long as it-could be preserved without aban. ' them, when their population and resources had, at , portance in the depending discussionf. Reposing a
dotting those maritime rights which this country had ! least' trebled since tharperiod? Whenever the Or- i high degree of confidence. in' his Right Hon. Friend
always claimed and exercised. But although he saw Iders in Council had been the 'subject of discussion on .most 'subjects, he was not disposed to deny
great evil in a war with America, yet he could not in that Itouse, their authors had always admitted , him that confidence at-present, particularly as the
conceive eceire it an evil of so great a magnitude as it ap- thht- America had just grotirds of complaint against grounds on which be had asked it appeared
geared to the lion. Gentleman who looked to it-is
lakese Orders, and-that' neutrals .must greatly suf-1 to him to be sufficiently strong.' lie could not
likely to produce the ruin of the British Empire."4-i•fet flints thew- .effects. But then it was contend- help expressing his surprise, however, that the Hon.
—Noed,. that their operation was-directed against e' Fraace;
one circumstance would he -founds in 'all ! Gentleman who preceded him, had thought proper to
the papers between Anierica and Fietne6; which land pledges vero.given, that whenever thtenemy enter at so much length into the merits of the question
chewed the least intention- ofaiinkinishitigin %Sly Mni= shouldsfcAf -Ids Decrees this 6:mai+ -*qua atr issue between.tltis,, country and . America. Had
in resdnding she Order, -
tier the - A the Berlin and Miterr Decreeti: proceed." ----s I that Hoti. Gentleman preceded his Hon. and Learned.
Cour -.4nrefore sl es' - " s'been, that

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Jouncil.--The question. tlw
ther Mintstar's had fulfilled thesis
whether France had made inch
prees as shoilld'call. *ass us to prifelig:
steps in as far -as respected America.
4trely, could mean to call Imo?.
t part of the pinth. Eh,x7r,eetfi
l*terdictli•O' 41fontpiliade
,Contipeat ovip‘hich Frane.a.exeAcaa,
far ka the largile /Am: bnewiti,
ilerstood, we could only mean o in
input— 4 resist suck parts of the.Berlin.and.

real effect of ---
The Cuntitiental system was td-le prescMipa in ill
its force, and there was not to 6e the slightest relax-
ation, iu favour of this country, of a siuglepoint.of
it, even if it should consent to abandon the Orders in
Council. Ile wonld.refer the Hon. Gentleman to a
letter which was then in his hand, from Monsieur
Tureau, the French Minister to the ,AMerican,Go.
vernment. In this letter the French Minister told
Ameriea, " that it was, to be clearly understood, that
France could not consent to alter 'that system of ex-
clusion adopted by all •Eurortazainst the comse-
of (het Britain ; the'svistfon'llnd

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