The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-10-23 00:00:00

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.4.4ittearli4o Om enemy, and disgrace and discomfiture
to England. , Be would ask the Hon. Baronet how
lih•had voted upon that question, aid what were the
fc'elinis of political honesty which influenced his vote
upon thatotertiorable occasion ? [tfpplauses.] In
fact, he bad oerceprOved himself :friend to Reforrh.
Ile had Stever yet been found at the side of the peo-
ple in opposition to corruption. In his speech that
day he had said northing to the purpose,: his pro-
mise lo present their Petition was trilling with
the Freeholders, because no. Member of Par-
liament would have the boldness to declise dis.
charging soimportant a part of his duty to his
Constituents ; so that this was the mere ram.
mon:idace of . those Representatives who wished
to ;Doke much of the little they could nut re.
fuse to do. He, therefore, now called upon that
Honourable Ilart;tott. to state distinctly, whether he
. wtathl support their petition or not? If he would
not-support it; if he refused to obey the voice of
his Constituents, he was then bound, as a man of
• honour, to resign the situation he was not compe.
tent 10.414 and Mut to be the Repesentathe of the
C"ltstititeollit .tiPteie political wishes he uniformly
oPP9leils LAirlfitioa." He concluded by exhort.
inghiabrother
,osseholders to a perseveratoce worthy
of so,tond a eagles he was confident of their ulti--
matoi•auceess;'but before they could succeed, •it
was ass( absolute(', necessary that meta professing
the.public principle* and purstibig the political con.
ltie'•nf.Si.r Fatkard gwatchbull should he prevent:
ediront. finding theielvarilite the -House of (;OM..
motif,. [ flpi lOUs]. • . .
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. ••, Pk 'W.a . Geist', thought it utmecessary, after
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-what badbeesi said, to trespass upon the time of
the Meeting; the paper to which his name had been
subscribed, contained his sentiments upon the gees-
tient blare them: .1k had been in Parliament an
usifOrm.adrocate for that Reform which he there
,sew 40: be So necessary [applan.res]. • Their *nom-
' torte.,had distinguishid themselves, and the eoenty
of. Kept, by .fliete.hernie resistance to a foreign foe.
•Thefue.they heel now to contend with-was Cerrito-
tion...a domestic enemy; and beyoud comparison
more fornadithle than any foreign one could possi:
hay be. • In each a contest he misted' that the men
01-Kent evisoid activorthy of their ancestors, and,
*take, liai.,,ausan .shire -in the support of England
o against-her :enemas% toirplousea]. He approved 'of
..the propeoition how. before theist,-of placing-the
.Petition in different pinata( the county conveniently
fur signatures; and hisped tit:S(llle same mode would
be followed up Aroughout the ceentry, because,''
melancholy as was theeorruption of a certain Assent.--
bly, he believed there was still within it suffiehoot pub-
tic virtue as to claim its attention to the voice of a
united people. He was confident that that voice would
be heard. •On a former occasion the question of Re.
form MIS discussed in the House, while half the Mein.
hers were absent ; but the. avowal of the people's
sentiments upon that great question, must Brims a
Ileetweign reined* against all such apathy on the.
pert of their Representatives ; his inaniedtate•ob.
jeet in then rising was for propose an Amendmettl,
Ile had heard the speech of the Hun.. Baronet.
and lie-bad drawn his ozen conclusions from it—the
result: -them was, that he did nut think it for
.the bola, or of, the county to allow a man to pre.
,tent: :r
..,Pettlimswho did .nut mean to sup-
portk ; or ialtitOtt least, sbewed that he hid
cut , e candour of .aa }.,Pglishostan, to:tell Jug
rents how he wOtild act, or whether-he would
op • them or not. If she- Honourehle ',Bare,
net thought his supporting that Petition. inconsist.
ent with his past coudoetoo(" aid, I confess; said
Sir Willia.-n, he hasgreat reason to thiolc so" )=
[ln:,o,ltter] —but if he thought so, why did h not
' tell them so at once? He could not have. hesitated
from any cautious ditcretion upon the subject, for
' Sir-Edward was a very sanguine man 'laughter],
then as lie did not pledge himself to support it, he
would move that the' Honourable 13aronet should
not present that Petition, but that their worthy
Itapitteentetiv e, Mr. Ifoneri nod, do present the
**swig the House of Commous, and Mr. Hurley-
'l44. Wit(e. i[ . ipplau s eel
.[lftarkOsir. Ryder ennsettted to defer his .ressii• le.
flotilla Sir William Geury's motion was dismissed
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o‘,. Sir Williiit's.mostion having been pet by the
Sfics'ilf, .
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. .Sir EovrAiri Ktivrennuu. again rase, and 0b....'
served, that the Honourable laronet had sever. sa(11
otru.er word • thaw. thee by which he (not described
him es .very sangaini man-he was most , sanguine
----a: it
always-sanguine to do his duty, to the host of
hisAudgment, to his consciettee, by those who em.
ployed him. But he there spublirry slealareil, that
be never would consent to go fettered -into Perlis.
Went. • [here there- were soose cries q f
," 'Yost are
fel:eta-40u' hupg been ultegos fettered !") • if
`these ever was a Biltfor Reform brought into Par.
liament, he pledgek, himself ;to eopport it, ,if he
thought {.4 laugh,,if he thought -the •plia a good
one [hisse,.J. , What! [exclaimed SO Ed ward]do
not you all -claim the sight of opinion ? and will
.0, ,Pd that righ.!, to me ?.1. tlureutes ; iith cries
qf. oat Order! . *c.i I bav,e' a right to.
'bllbeird. [lloa s ~FreehuWar extkeitned, " We
Ilya, !icor you pitieiitly ; hit :peak to the pant:
404 you support Reform?" Cries of "-Answer,
Mut."]
Sir Kowano proceeded, addressing himself to the
Freetrulder—“ Sir, I Have not the honour oficnow:;
"mg you ; but if you wish now-tielJdress the Meet.'
ing, I will not interrupt you—if not, I beg you
will not interrupt toe." {Applauses —with
.cries'
of q 4 o oss—,lre. him a fair hcorieg—Ordcr! ere.")
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Sas Eow Atte then resented. Gentlemios, in the'
course of the last Session- elf Parliament Mr. Brand,
a most distinguished Member of the House 6f Com.
Mons, brought forward a motion relating to Rea
. form. lie introduced it with all that genuine 'me.
deity inseparable from real merit, and he eaudidly
admitted, after stating the outline of -his plan,
that there were in -it many. points respecting
which the evidence adduced did not 'strictly war.
rant the conclusions he himself WI gesteraily hi.
'forced from them. Ikre, then, there were-doubts in
the breast of the author respecting the-teeth or ful.
lacy of many parts of his own.plan, thetigh so long
;iligelited slot matueed. Abir ytak•will yon now
demand of your Representative -tw 411•411Wilwilleir
preciidtately to a blind support-ef plaiss'ile•esnuot
yet know any thing about, and-W1
.which k*-ay
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.llltisu 4,13‘.4110 plasm ? I „tell- yossdraeskly. I • wit',
to the list hour of my life, go unshackled into the
House 6f Commons. fillaressari.l
Mr. Repels —" You hate not yet said whether
or nut you will support stir Petition. You Can,
however, have no objection to answer this question
—Ought seats in the House of Commons to be
bought and sold ?" •
Sir E. KNATCHISULf•—" If Mr. Ryder had
condescended to consult with me, as he had done
with my brother Member, he should have never
found me to hesitate in giving him an answer to
-this question, or any other ; and I have now no
hesitation in declaring it as my opinion, that Seats
in Parliament ought not to be bought and sold..r---
[4fiplau sea.]
Rynen---" Then, how did you vete on the
charge preferred against my Lord Castlereagh, for
la traffic in the sale of those. Seats." [2l general
e))./ of," answer that ! answer' that P'j
Sir E. KNATCHRULL..." De yon expect an ho.
nest answer ?" [General laughter.]
Mr. RYDER..." if • yen 'plesie, Sir Edward."
Sir E. KNATCHiIi/Lf....." Then I declare, upon
my honour, in-the face of the County, that I do
not now remember whether I was, upon that OCCJ_
sion, in the House or nut."—[here there were
strong espressions of disapprobation,
,tvith some
laughter.]•
Sir WM. GEARY agreed in the propriety of that
part of the lion. Gentleman% obiervation, respedt.
lug the necessity of leaving every Member of Par-,
liament the right of free deliberation. He would not
have any man shackled either by thoie Without the
*House, or those within it ; but it was unfortunate
for the Hon. Baronet's professions in favour of Re-
form, that ho had never yet voted in favour of any
one discussion on the subject. Mr. Braid's motion
was not for the unqualified adoption. of 'his plan, or
of any other man's plant was merely a .motion
for going into Committee—in other words, for
agreeing to take lime question into consideration....
Now, he could not understand how that man could
he friendly to principle of Reform, who had
voted against, sideration whatever of the goes-
don. The q 'was simply, sootild they consi.:
der it ? and dwird voted In the riegetiee. . •
Mr. Lai liked,. if *till Was .bienet into
Parliament, and approved of'by the f'reeitgldtrt,
Weald the lionourable Baronet aupportit?—Sir
Edward replied, that he had already, fully answei-
ed that; Onestion. " You all 'kaose," centinned
he, " how I voted upon Mr. Brand's. motion I
!cited against it, because there was nothing specific
proposed—we are asked to go. into Committee, but
were not told what we were to do when iu Com-
mittee. I therefore voted against the motion, and
am not ashamed of having done so." [liisscr.]
Mr. BaIDQEI stated; that as his name was not to
the Retifiltleit, he wished to take that,opportu-
nity ordeclaring himself a steady' friend to. Reform.
Hu thoez,ht with the groat Lord 13uileigh, that
egland could beruioed only by is Parliament, and
,therefore the i.afety•_Pf, the country depended upon
the purity of her representation. He recommended
a temperate,' but steady perseverance, which most
ultimately prevail, and approved. of the Petition
being so placed as to be subscribed by as many sig-
natures as poSsible. Without a Reform in Parlia-
ment,. •
he sincerely was of opinion, that it was of
little consequence to the country' who was Minister.
The cause had his most hearlywishes for its speedy
and complete success. ' • •
Mr. laysntNOTOX said, that heltad had no inten.
(ion Orsneaking ;, but as gentlenen were dispospl
to connect support of .Planl of Reform:with voting
against I,,orit Castlereagh on a certain question, lie,
wished to set them right its that resPect, as far as his
own instance calla:do:so. Ile.hiintelf had,, upon
the question of tht "Sale of Setts, voted against
Lord Castlereagh; but he had never yet,,heard of
any-specific 'plan of Reform of 'Which he could ap-
prove ; indite had hitherto voted against mach as
had beep proposed, Plfisrmors],. and for this rea-
son', that they appeared,-toall him to. labour alike
under this Maid defecttiiat of excluding from, the
tiOnie of Commons that influence of the ExeCutive
which he conceived to be essentially necesiery. to
-carry on the government • [gurpturs, and cites of
no-!] He wastiorry to differ 'fropi theta, but
he declared itts his firm that the mo.
'inert 'that .inflvence.'‘iss wholly removed from the
kilter House of 'Parliament, the libottes tf. this
errantry were lost for eller.
[Here the expression'tifdlscpprohation became so
kind and general, that Mr.. L, discontinued speaking.]
Sir Wm. GEARY heard of Gentlenien speaking
against time, and being often very eloquent for no
other purpose than thatof confounding or mislead-
ing the judgments of their hearers. The last speaker
had not said One word to the question now before
them, whichiwas, that Mr. Honey wood do present
their Petition, and he only ; therefore he presumed
Mr. Lushington out of order.
Thu HIGH SHERIFF being of the same opinion,
Mr. LUSUINGYON resumed, by stating it as his
opinion, that to give their Petition due weight, it
ought to be presented by both Members, and nut
merely'by a Representative of but ayart of the
county. . .
A FaxenoLnia......" He is a Representative of
the-whole of the county."
Mr. HONEYWOOD (son of the.Membee) stated,
ghat he had just come train his father, who, he as-,
awed the Meeting upon hii word, was confined with
so severeiintetsek of the gonfas to 'be obliged to
use crutches ; 'but that- he had' Commissioned him
to state, that he went along with hii constituents in
the great cause of Reform' with all his heart and
Soul, and that if he were living he would gO to the
HoUse and present their Petition, thought he should
do so even upon his erutehes: [AitlauSes]..
Sir Wu. GeattY's motion "was then carried Ina!
nimously, as was also a 'vote Thanks to the
High Sheriff, foiqiis liberal sod Independent, con;
duct io 'ther.Chalc. Ite exjtrcised his warm ac.
knowledgmentaler theisoffeter Centel:red' upOn him;
when one of thelnitist • Orderly and best.conducted•
meetings we .hilive witneseed for some tinte,• broke
lip, At :trot adjournment of the Meeting, Mr.
Larkins proposed three-cheers in honour or Sr
Francis Burdett.' The rroposidt;it was about-td
fie acceded to, when a Freeholder suggested-the
propriety of abstaining from,ati matters uot-imine-
diatcly connected with the objects of the•Mecting.

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