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instance, the knowledge of the hand-writing of the
person signing it was known but to very few.
Mr. MILLS said that the Hon. Gentlemen who just
spoke left out of consideration the difference of the sum
in the two cases.
Mr. ELLICE regretted that bis Hon. Friend who in-
• ttoduced thismeasure, should have abandoned his pr
in.
ciple in any iftstenee. Me Would recommend that no
exception should be ands, exteptio the tale of the
forgery of wills.
The Petition was laid on the table,and ordered to
be printed.
WOOL TRADE.
Mr. T. WILSON presented a Petition from certain
Merchants of the City of London against that clause
of the Bill before the House which they apprehended
would allow the exportation of the long woolled sheep
from this country.
Mr. LUSHINOTON said that he was sure, on con-
sideration, the Petitioners would find they took an
erroneous view of the effects of this Bill.
Mr. H. DAVIS said that there were sotpe wools that
could only be obtained in England, such as the long
wool, and therefore great caution should be used in
allowing the exportation of sheep.
Mr. LUSHINOTQN said that the Bill would be
col.fined to South Down sheep.
Sir 1. COFFIN trusted that a principle of greater
liberality on this subject would animate the House
in future.—taid on the table.
Mr. tl. DAVIS presented a Petition from the Bank-
ers of Bristol against the punishment of Forgery
Mitigation Bill.—Laid on the table.
POOR LAWS' BILL
Lord WALPOLB laid on the table a Petition from

Lynn against the Poor Laws' Amendment Bill.—Laid
on the table.
Mr. LENNARD presented a Petition from twenty-
four Paupers of the town of Ipswich against the Poor
I..,us' Amendment Bill. They entered into a detailed
statement of the misses of their distress, attributing
them generally to the berthened state of the country.
'lhe Hon. Member added some observations in support
of the prayer of the Petition, and enlarged upon the
nature and causes of the distress of the Poor of this
country.
Sir 1. COFFIN ridiculed the notion that the lower
orders of this country were as badly off as the Hon.
Gentleman would represent them to be. He was per-
suaded that any one who bad experience of the lower
orders of other countries would concur with him that
there was no kingdom in which they were so happy.—
Laid on the table.
Lord A. HAMILTON presented a Petition from the
county of Lanark, praying that the House would take
into its most serious consideration a plan proposed by
Mr. Owen, for giving permanent power of production
to the Lower Classes. The Petition was signed by 41
landholders, including one Peer, the son of a Peer, 5
Baronets, 37 Justices of the Peace, the majority of the
Clergy, the Principal and five Professors of the I;ni-
vetsity of Glasgow, and the chief Magistrates of all the
towns in the county.
Mr. MAXWELL, in support of the Petition, exhort-
ed the House to take the subject of it into their serious
consideration. The House, he said, ought, in justice
to its own character, to entertain any proposition which
had for its object the alleviation of the distresses of the
people.
Sir W. DB CRESPIONY said, that as the indivi-
dual who brought Mr. Owen's plan under the at.• n-
lion of the House, he felt it his duty to say, that his
o!)ject was to have something done for the poor. As
to the Poor Laws, they were so bad a system, that any
attempt to amend them, he feared, would only have
the effect of rendering them more objectionable.
Mr. J. SMITH said, that though he was nut pre-
pared to give his approbation to Mr. Owen's plan, he
would still strongly recommend the proposal to the at.
tendon of the llonse. Mr. Owen had, some way or
another, surrounded himself with a population of two
thousand persons, the most moral, the most religious
and happy he bad ever seen. Now, he would submit
to the House, was not a plan which could produce
such effects, worthy of being considered by it ? As
to the religions behaviour of this body of men, he re-
ferred to the certificate of six Scotch Ministers, testi-
fying to the morality and religious education of Mr.
Owen's establishment. Ile thought that, as long as
the House abstained from entertaining some general
plan of this nature for influencing the minds of the
people, and confine themselves to measures of amend-
ment merely, they were beginning at the wrong end.
Mr. W. SMITH pressed upon the House the neces-
sity of their entertaining, in the most serious manner,
the Petition of Mr. Owen.
The Petition was read, and ordefed to be printed.
Mr. BLACKBURNE presented a Petition from the
Churchwarden and Overseers of Manchester, against
the Poor Laws' .Amendment Bill.—Laid on the table.
And another Petition from the Boroughreeve, Mer-
chants, ire. of Manchester, against the Spoiled Stamps
Duties Bill.
Mr. HUME asked, if it was the intention of Minis.
ter 4 to prosecute the Bill ?
Mr. LUSHINUTON said that it was a dropped or-
der the other day, and it was not intended to renew it
this Session.
Mr. BLACKBURNE presented a Petition from the
Merchants of Manchester, against any alteration of the
duties on the importation of East India sugar.—Laid
on the table.

Mr. BERNAL presented a Petition from Mr. Mal-
limn, praying the attentien of the House to his Life-

if England, with an accoent of the goods tutored, for
a certain term.—Ordared.
Mr. H 1; ME moved for a return of the names of the
persons employed in the collection of the revenue of
Scotland, and the amount of their salaries for the
years, &c. 1805 to 1820.
Lord STANLEY presented a Petition from the
Churchwardens, Overseers, &c. of Great Bolton, in the
county of Leicester against the Podr Laws' Amendment
Bill ; and another from certain Merchants, Mender-
turers, &c. of Manchester, praying for a repeal of the
probate duties in cases of Legacy.—Laid on the table
cer-
.
A petition was laid on the table, praying that
tain dealers might be subjected to the Hawkers and
Pedlars' Tax.
Mr. J. SMITH moved the third reading of the
Bankrupts' Laws Amendment Bill.
After a few words from Mr. C. Smt•rn and Mr.
AREICHOMBIE, the Bill was read a third time and

passed.
OPERATION OF THE ALIEN LAWS.
Mr. HUME wished to have it stated whether or not
a native of the lonian Islands, coming to this country,
could be arrested and sent away under the Alien Act,
or was be entitled to he protected as a British subject ?
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY was not rte.
pared to give a full answer to the Hon. Gentleman, as
no cause bad arisen in which the point came into die-
cnssion. He believed that a native of the lonian
Islands was not to be regarded as a British subject, in-
asmuch as we were merely in the relation of a pro-
tecting power to the inhabitants of those islands.
Mr. HUME said that it was of consequence that the
point should be settled without delay, as he under-
stood there were several of the inhabitants of the lonian
Islands prepared to come to this country to claim jus-
tice, and they were naturally anxious to ascertain if
they would be liable to be seat away under the Alien
Act.
The Marquess of LON DONDER RY.—Whatever be
the state of the law, the lion. Gentleman may rest as-
sayed that it shall not he enforced to the prejudice of
individuals arrived here on such a mission.—(
llear.)
Sir R. WILSON was anxious to know if any direc-
tions had been given against the infliction of torture
in the Dutch Colonies, and which was permitted by
the Dutch laws?
Mr. GOULBURN E said be was not able to answer
the question at that moment. To-morrow he would
give the lion. Gentleman full information.
USURY LAWS
Sir .1. MACKINTOSH moved the Order of the Day
for the second reading of the Usury Laws Repeal Bill,
for the purpose of postponing it to (we undetstood)

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