The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-02-13 00:00:00

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en which the prosperify ofArticultere
" rgy, coluevfoot." the 'turfing Chroaiick repeats
this, in the most slavish manner ; but the devil $ bit
does this Editor make any attempt to answer the argil-
ments contained in the last Register, which proved, to a

demonstration, the contrary, Lt.t die-Chronide, or the

Scotsman make an attempt, at least, to answer those
arguments; or let them ferrbear* to put forTh this au-
&Mani astertion ; an assertion which they can put forth
few* othyr purpose than that of feeding the Landlords
and the Farmers with false hopes, in order to get the last
acre from one, and the last shilling from the other; and
in oder to came in with theiews for a share of the spOil.

The Chronicle has columns enough, Gov knows: it has
pens enough, too, of both Jew and Christian. Thepart
of the Register relating to this matter would lie in the
space of half a column. Let it, then, if it dare, copy
that short part of the Register; and let us see what
Scotland, united with Jerusalem, has to say, in the way

of answer. Never, in, oar lives, did we decline the

challenge of the OhPonicle ; and never has it accepted
of any one challenge of ones. Here we give it
soother cballene t and. if it burl not the courage

to accept df est.if, it continue to put forth these as
orto4l44.ltitill be treatetslitb that stogjpetaad
korth Wfaitilt 'will 'acridity merit. We dolittaroat
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if to Aff a. We stand in no need of puffing. ,Events
have putrid ate enough. But we want it to act fairly ;
and, above all things, we want it to desist from its en.

deavours to sacrifice the gentlemen, the Yeomen, the
Tradesmen, the journeymen and labourers of England,
to that band of Jews and Jobbers, who are actually

sucking awny their substance, and driving them from
their mansions and their home sheds, and reduce

ing the industrious millions to starvation.--
-The dther subject which came before the House
last night, became of importance, on account of the op-
position which Mr. Huai met with from Mr. BROUGHAM
and Sir FR COM BURDITT ! The subject was this :
Lord BIiRIiFFORD has been appointed to be Lieutenant-
General of the Ordnance. This is a place with a great
salary attached to it. A Committee of military enquiry
long ago reported that this place was useless. Mr.
Hulls shelved that this Lord BERESTORD already re•

eaves from the public four thousand, four hundred, and '
nine pounds a year. This new salary would make it '
sir thousand pounds a year.--Mr. Mug, therefore,
seeing, he said, the enoesnous sums the Beresford family
already received, *Mr. Hume wished to grant no
supply of money to the Ministers, " uotil the
House Lad information, why this place was given
contrary to the recommendation of the Committee of
Military enquiry." Nothing in this world could be
more reasonable; nothing more consonant with all the
principles of the Constitution of England, which, as
Lord STANHOPE observed in the House of Commons, the
other night. says that redress of grievances is to go be-
fore supply. Now, then, let us bear what Mr. CANNING
said. It was this : that the post had been offered to the
Earl of HOPIITOWN and to Lord HILL, and that they had
refsee,d d; and that this was a proof that the office was
it girikkftene ritrapttoreOltrewt Such * pouf, was
never was ofered In this world before. Oh! what a
volume of sarcasms was here to be poured out
by Mr. BROUGHAM! Here was "matter for a May
morning," indeed ! Well, come, let its get on, to hear what
Mr. BROUGHAM' said ! Alas,l he regretted that his
Hon. Friend should bave brought forward " so import-
" ant a motion in such a way"! Mr. BROUGHAM, in
deed, wanted information about the office ; but he
thought, " there was something harsh as well as ineon-
" :latent, in proposing that the House should withhold
" all supplies, until they were:pat in possession of in for.
44 illation, which had never been mentioned until that
" morning."—Mr. HGME manfully answered that he
only wanted a delay of forty eight hours in granting
the supply; and that it would he better to leave the
House altogether, and let the Ministers do what they
liked, if such a delay was not to be obtained.
for such a reason. The House was go-
ing to divide; bat Mr. WARRE having said
that he liked the practice of giving notice o
Motions, the Honourable Mr. BEN NIT declared
that he would vote for Mr. Hum, if he chose to divide
the house, upon every item of supply ; and as to the prac-
tice of giving notices, it was of no use but to enable the
Ministers to bring forward their sweeping Majori,ies.-
46 Mr, BROUGHAM then said, that "God forbid that be
" should object to this, or any other, measure of economy.
44 All that be wished to do, was, to disentangle the sub-
" ject, from that of supply," which, by the bye, was
precisely what Mr. CANNING wished for.—Mr. Am-
CROMBIS was of the same opinion with. Mr. BROUGHAM.
" He had no.wish tv underrate the value of his Honour.
" able . Friend's proposition, FAR FROM IT; he
44 wished that proposition to come befor•.the house in'
" such a shape, that it could be Wadies* folly and
" freery."----And pray, Mr. Alrettcuostits, when
would this be better done than now ?—Nerw, thee, we
will not be charged with misrepresenting Sir FRANCIS
BUROITT. We will insert his words, and the whole of
them, just as we find them, in the Morning Chronicle.--
"Sir P. BURDETT thought himself hound, upon most
" occasions, to support the Member for Aberdeen, who In
" his teal to save the public money really deserved support.
.64 Still he could not go along with him Its the present ease.
4 It would be 6w/insistent in the House, on the one band, to
"cull upon his Majesty in the present critkot state of Eli-
" rope, to support the honour and dignity of the nation, and
" on the other to withhold the supplies necessary for this
" purpose. The stopping of the supplies was, as it were,
" thenttimate power of the House of Commons. and should
"not be resorted to so boog es there were any other means
"of redress. The Commissioners deserved credit for their
" recommendation with regard to this office; and the Hon.
" Gest. deserved commendation for his seal In see what
" they had proposed, carried into effect. He (Sir F. B.)
" bettered that the Hon. Gent. had grounds for what he had
" stated; but then he ought to beware that in the manner
" in which he pursued his object, he did not go beyond what
" was warranted by prudence and discretion. If be had a
" hope of carryiog this measure, he would risk it upon sit
" issue of this description. Considering the state of En-
" rope. thb relation in which this country stood, an i the
_" secrinces which it might be called upon to make he hed
" his Hon. Friend mould not press it. He would do w to
" consider the state in which he placed his friends, and on
-0 that moist be induced to withdraw his eseadmeet."
There, ye stupid, ye grunting, Ye grumbling Reform-
ers, who bass been sayitig that the Hossontabisi
Baronet-Sever did -any thine; Is not .tbere soot!

serves supplant" Ise iota that his seal " de.
:erre. commendation ;" he says, that he " be-
lieves" .that Mr. Home." has grounds" for what he
states. There ! ye grumbling dogs, is here not support
of Mr. licate ! The worthy Baronet dors, indeed, seem
to object to jest of the thing; he is for doing it in ano
ther faunae,. and is, in •case like this, for proceeding
with great "prudence sad discretion".—Now, with all
submission to the superior judgment of this Great Re
former, and great historical Constitutional Lawyer,
contend, that in matter, in manner, in time
Mr. Wares motion was perfectly consonant
with all the principles and practices of the English con-
stitution, which always said, " grievances before sup-
ply;" for hsw are grievances to be redressed, if the
money were given first ?—The close of the Honourable
Baronet's speech, is worthy of attention. He looks at
the state of Europe, and at the sacrifices which we may
be called upon to snake. So that he has war in his eye!
And the Ministers.if they have it nut in their eye will hi
great fools indeed if they have not it upon their tongeea,
whenever there is soy talk of reducing taxation !—We de
not believe, however, that the landlords who are not tat!
eaters, and not fundholders and stock jobbers, will•
be diverted from' their endeavours to reduce taxation, by
any talk about wer.—SirFrancis desired Mr./lusts to cob
alder. "the state in which he placed HIS FRIENDS."
This was a very good hint ; but the worthy Baronet
does not seem to have stated tape those friends are! Mr.
Hung has sagacity enough, however, we dare say, to
know Isis friends from his foes, to distinguish those who
really applaud him for his great industry and uncon-
querable perseverance; se gaeity quite enough to dis-
tinguish these, hie friends, from those insincere pretend-
ers to friendship, whom he finds here and there, about
tits country, aid so forth ; and who, busy, or selfish, or
unjustly ambitious, or all these, at one and the same
time, themselves, would, Instead of seeing him bestir
himself as be does, for the benefit of the Nation, gladly
see bite a rowel

ATROCIOUS CALUMNY.

We are about to give a specimen of that atrocious
calumny; that matchless venomousness, which has for
a long time marked the character of the Old Times
newspaper. One would think that even devils were in-
capable of suck malignity as that of which we are about
to give an instance.—Every body that knows any thing
of Hertfordshire and Cambridgeshire knows something
of the respectable family of Fordbam. They are gene
rally yeomen of considerable substance, and, as
far as we have always heard, of even rare
integrity and honour. They are numerous ;
and have invariably been steady and zealous
friends of civil and religions liberty. We have bad no
personal communicatios with any part of this family for
many years; bat, we have always heard of the family
of that %Lids we have now stated. At the kleetfordeistre
meeting the other day, Mr. -George Fordbam moved
certain resolutions to be added to the Petition, which,
oceordlos to (60 Report, were seconded by Mr. Edward
Fordhans, and oppleig by Mr. Kin Fordbate.
Fordhans's resolutions prayed the Howie to proceed to
" the abolition of sinecures and unmerited pensions ; to
.. the reduction of the salaries of public offices; the re•
&idiot of the army ; and the sale of public proper-
" ty."—These are the resolutions as stated in the Old
Times itself. Our readers will see bow far they fall short
of the petitions actually carried in several of the coun-
ties; bow far they fall short of the petition in Carusar-
theosire ; of Mr. Charlton's petition in Herefordshire; of
the petition of Somersetshire ; and,in Abort, of every peti-
tion except that of Yorkshire. They were, it appeors,
lost in Hertfordshire, only because the meeting was
assembled to deliberate on nothing but Reform of Par-
liament. How moderate they were, our readers them-
selves will perceive; and now let these readers
of the vile Old Times read, while they blush
for themselves, the abase which this villainous paper
has heaped upon the the family of Fordham.—We are
about to lay two paragraphs before our readers ; one
published on Monday, and the other on Tuesday last: .-
M•NDAY'II PARR .--" The proceedings at the noun-
" ty meeting of Hertford present another instance of the
" happy triumph of constitutional principles and moderate
" reform, over furious, stupid radicalism, on the one side,
" and corrupt servility on the other. The meeting had but
" one Jacobi* and one servile speaker—men of about the
" same calibre as to intellect and character, as the two fag-
" ends of their respective parties. If we had not rendered
" Cobbett, alias Castles, a person to be deprecated on these
" occasions, probably he might have exhibited in the place
" of, or in union with Fordham ; and if the more elevated
" serviles of the county had chosen to appear, Price would
" not have been listened to, The resolutions really passed
"are worthy the attention of the countryand of Parliament.
" One of the gentlemen who attended on our part was so
"respectably assured of the truth of the following stale-
" meat, that, horrible as it may seem, we are inclined to
'• give it publicity; for the purpose (if uncontredieted) of
" elucidating the real character of the Radicals with Mr
" their affected skims to humanity. It was stated to our
" friend, then. that not only the person who moved the
"furious resolutions. but that his Whole family had beaten'
" down the wages el their poor labourers—even those with
"wives and children—to the lamentable pittance of Pre,
" shillings and sixpence a week: and when the geatleusee
" to whom this was related, being incredulous, exclaimed,
" • Good God ! are there no Clergy, no Magistrates in that
'" neighbourhood, to stop such cruelty ?' The answer was,
•• • Tne Clergy, you see, they wish is get rid of ; and as to
" ' the Magistrates, there are but few in the remote part of
" • the county in which the property (for they have property)
"• is situated.' We make this statement as we have heard
" it: we hope, for the sake of human nature, we shall be
" able to give it an authentic contradiction ; or. if not, that
" such people will not in future be suffered to infest county
" meetings."
TS ' PAR LO RAPH.—" 111 the comment on the speech
" of Mr. Fordham, who moved the amendment at the
" Hertford meeting, The Times of Monday spoke of his
"family in terms which might imply that they acted In
•• concert with him. This is far from being the case. Except
!' his own brother, Mr, Edward Fordhatn, who on this and
similar occasions has come forward as his second, Mr_
"George Fordham, junior, has been disclaimed by every
" member almost of a very numerous family. Tney, who
•• are zealous friends to the cause of civil and religious li-
" berty, have been not a Mlle annoyed and mortified t►at
" one of their name and kin should wine forware as the
"(Hee* of CobbeU, by whom he has had the honour to be
"praised. Mr. 'Clog Fordham, of Roysten, the head of-
" the family, has bees repeatedly under the necessity of
" oppoeing,in public, hie nephew,vrith whoa he has 40 per-
" tonal intercourse. bat with whom he and the rest of the
" Wally have occasioaaily the inevitable ialsfottgate of be-
" her confoended."
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