The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-06-09 00:00:00

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doe; that ;smarms fraitb a fear of en Etelsequer
orrice» keine hotrod, wore obliaod to sake then with
ivost inconv►nience before, lo point of law, !hay
mould b. called on for than'. lie had asked a ques-
tion on this •object Wore, and was Ikon (as we kn-
floral...4aq informed, that if Arch prank's did cilia,
a step would be pat to chess. 11. near emierstood,
that the !MP praotiro was adopted. lb, held in his
bawl a ropy Of one,•f thew notices, f.oin a Siert/tint
of TIIIIO7 lit Edinburgh, calling upon a person I.
Ms eh to pay the tsars +hick In fact woad not be
flee tilt Wiat.entide. He hoped the Right floe.
T:entlemati would be abb. to &ford the Homo some
infrroortines open this aahjoet.,
T .eCIIANCELLOR et the EXCHEQUER Rave
snap es, •onstinn, bat from tiro vary low tone in
bieb be spoke if was dificalt earn to hear his voice
in the taller,. From the •eply of Mr. Brosighswi,
ne •apposed him in have said, that it was important
to the ....nee that it thould be collected as speedily
possible.

Mr 11110UOIIAM remarked, that the system of
early e.ll.rtion was what he pinch's'', objected to,
..•J 1., which t.. was ermines that an end shoold be
•put. roalion alropp•4l.
Sir J. NEWPORT moved for a Return of the ofil-
vbil vs.u• 4 • ••.levy of articles, such as Cotton,
Cnitrin. oi. , Car/lairs, &c. imported into Ireland
from (lie° Britain in the last 6ire years.—Ordered.
O. lb. motion of Mr. F. ROBINSON. WY* wet
Riven to bring in a Bill to amend the Act 65 Geo. 111.
c. GO. respecting S►amen's Wills.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition fry.. a
(a...aileron. named W. H. Inglis, against the [Mires
providing for the resorption of Cub Payment.. The
Petitioner, he observed, described the Bill as ono
vt bi^h tended equally to involve hietsslf and miter
tnerrhanis in rein, and he ;wapiti to be heard by his.
self or Counsel. at timber of the Neese against It.
M•. GRENFELL wished to know whether It
was inevooed to follow op the Petition, be moving
that lb. Petitioner be called to the bar ?--To this nnl
u•agi.en —The Petition was brought up, sod or.
error' to lie OP the table.

Mr. Aldermen WOOD torinaafrd a Pstitien from
a somber of Protestant Dissenters in London and
Westminster, complaining of the Marriage Act, as
far 44 it required as anent to din docttino of the
Trinity.—Laid no the tablo.
FINANCE REAOLUTIONII.

On oho motion of the CHANCELLOR of the
VCCHF.QUER, Mr. Brogden brought op the Ito.
pore OA" Committee on those Restitutions.
On th• Chet they he agreed to,

Mr. CUB WEN rose. 'lle did not mean to ab-
ject that some tneasetea for proaiding for data dr.
Ociency of income should be adopted. After all the
Petitions which bad poured in from trades, parts of
the 4-wintry, describing the gene►al distress and
stagnation, could they (the Ministers) be ignorant of
the teal situation of the errantry ? Ought they not In
.0.4. that ail was not a lime for laying on any new lases?
.1 be 00ite of labour were reduced one.third in con-
sequence of the decrease in the consemption and the
•aloe of our manufactures. In tbe city of Carlisle
alone, there were not lees than 4000 pet son, who, by
the itardeat lahour of 14 hoer. per day, could not
earn mote than s+. 9.1. per week.—[/fray, hear!)—
The situation of many other parts of the country was
titit much better. Tim Malt Tas he condemn►d, as
trotting rt. electrum the use of malt liquor. By
that en Wool, he was of opinion, that a ma-
terial injury would be done to a very Important
branch of our manufacture. The effect of both would
he to create porter 'mils in the country than t►ose
which they were intended to lamest. Could any
man look al the present situation of our reveal*,
end see the many aimless situations which were paid
for wide- the bead of its collection, and say that the
economy was obsersed by Missiaters which the dis-
tresses of the nation 'Toadied ? Collectors with large
sslarsea. mid whose duties were performed by Dive.
sirs, were kept op, in order to support the patronage
of Government, and the People were pressed to thei►
Isst ferthing to torpors this unnecessary errors.
wee. Ile most ORCO mo►e repeat big decided tippet.
siting to the liesolations of the Committee.

Sir HENRY PARNELL contended, in appeal.
lieu to what had !wen advanced by the Noble Lord,
that the pemegi Resolutions were a perfect departs'.
`from the inaneiti system of Mr. Fiat. Ile believed
that lo the sec, the system of expearlitere had been
carried to a /reeler extent than the ezigencim of the
war required. Several twillinns a year weep unneces-
sarily welted. In the Ordnance Deportment, for
instant", nine millions of money had been wasted in
works which had never been applied to any use. If
the Hesse bad not interfered, and repealed the
Property Tag, they would never have seen any
of those retrenchments, for which the Noble Lord
'took enolit Cries of Mar, hear !)—Wbethrr
the reductions could be carried farther was •
question of some difficsity.—Without the .cri.
of a considerable degree of the patronage cf the
Crown, it was vain to raped any farther restriction ;
bet the state of the country required a more 'eternise
sacrifice of patronage, and a greater innovation in the
•el,rile system of carrying on the Government, than
sn'ght has* been jestifiable ender other circumstances.
In the collection of the tetanus there was great
nom for improvement. With respect le the different
public offices, there was hardly any one branch of
any one department which was not tautly in the man.
we; in which accounts were kept. Thor. sac the
moist complete evidence of this iu the 5111 Report in
ISln. The forms of office ten were tedious and ex-
pensive. In the Customs a man was occupied a day
with what ought not to easily an hoer. The laws
irgelating the collection of the Revenue were fell of
inconsistencies and adapt@ arrvogri-nents, which gave
ins to math difficulty and expence; and this was
irticularly the case with respect to these parts of
them which related to protecting duties, boenties, and
drawbacks. The various Boards too would admit of
great reform ; for a much smaller number of Com-
mistioners and Boards might be sufficient. The prin-
ciple of Consolidating of Boards might bonnied jute
ellect with great benefit to the public service. Why
might not Ireland and Scotland be placed under the
soperintendance of the Boards here? This would
nut only be more economical, but, from the superior
manner in which business was conducted heft, of
great advantage i• other respects. If obey were to
leak also to what they were voting and paying every
year for tbe proper applicatioo of the psblic sooty,

ithey would also Sod peat room for retrench-
event. The Treasery Beard alone cost 00,0 out. It
appeared from the Report already alluded to, that
the Eschegeer forms were useless and Inconvenieet ;
that meows were kept in a 'character difficult to
eaderstand, and by which the operation of summing
them was impossible. In the Public Departments of
the Navy, Army, and Ordnance, there was great
room for retrenchment. In Mary departments the
salary was as high now as in the war. From the cots.
fused manner in which accounts were kept, the audit
of he became necessarily vapensive.—the Audit
Office cost the country 53,0001. year. The sem of
1.200,0001. was paid merely hi order to take care
of the ',static money, allot Item. into the F.:dragger.
Another branch of the earmediture which admitted
of considerible redection was the Civil Government
of the Country. The ForeigeDepartment cost 83,0001.
The Heine Departmeit cost 32,0001.1 yeer. The Cole.
nial Department 28,0001. The Pri►y Council27.oool.
The it:ponces of the Lord lieetenent of Ire.
lend 100,0001. making in all 260,0001. a year. From
his knowledge of Ireland, he would 9 y that the
Laecative Goverammat of that country might be
carried on mach better oe cheaper principles.—
Tirough great hnprovements bad taken place ender
the Gentleman who lately filled the office of Chief
Secretary (Mr. Peel), there was still great room for
retrenchment. Many of the bounties paid in Ireland
were (pain, unnecessary. There was no need, for its.
stance, of 50,0001. for bounties tea manufacture so
well Miablished es the linen teanefacture. There
were three millions paid by this cowry, on account
of Ireland. The espenditere of Ireland was 20
millions • year, during the last war. This sixpence
was not occasioned by the war, but the groat ►apes.
dilate was stated by Lord Clare in a psbliseed
speech. to be occasioned by the keeping down 66 the
brutal lash." If Ireland had been governed no wise
principles, that ell/mice might have been med. Ilia
protested against the imposition 0 new taus at the
present moment.
Mr. P. MOORE maintained that Ministers were
extremely culpable if they were ignorant of the reel
state of the country; sod criminal if, knowing it,
they failed to apply those nanny of relief that were
undoebtedly in their pewee. ft was, undoubtedly,
a singular condition, that Jimmied of havitig a Stoking
Fend to lessen motion, tales were imposed to aug-
ment the Sinking Fend. Ile pledged himself to the
House and to his Constituents,
any new tea until he saw that every economical exer-
tion bad been made by Governmeot.
Mr. HUME doubted much whether the surplus
•e mach spoken of really amounted to two mil-
lions; he apprehended it. would be found to fall
500,0001. short of that amount. The country had
'Mainly to thank Minister' even f.•r this tardy
avowal of the condition of its finance• ; but if ales
were to be eccenaulated upon tales in th • way now
proposed, it would have little to think ih..n for ow
the score of economy : it (vein not to be forgotten,
too, that the new imposts almost ezclesivr4 pressed
upon the lower orders of the community —[!lest!]
—Rather than vote for th►m, he world *Mittel) have
consented to a Property Tax by which thy rich pro.
prietors of the couotry would be compelled to eon• i
tribute their fair proportion —[llear. hesr!)—lf
Ministers bed been sincere iii their proffered resole•
1 tion, they would have done more and promised lees:
promises would Dot relieve the starving manufac-
turers of Colitis!' or of Coventry. If Ministers 1
w anted information w here to begin t heir retrenchments,
be would refer them only to the Fuanr• Report of ;
1817, where the Committee recommend that steps I
should be taken'. enable our newly acquired Colonies
to support their own eanenditure. Had Government
made any such attempt ? Unquestionable not ; in the 1
Colonial Estimates or• le•s than 67.0001. was voted 1
in one mass to General Broienrigg for Ceylon, and I
lin another 48,0001. to Governor Farquhar, at the
I maarititis. In the whole nearly a million was dig.
I posed of without the slightest attempt at sperifice.
lion. The same remark would apply to the [noise
Lalonde, and if Ministers bad been so online, to
stick in the letter of the Treaty with Spain, why had
they not stuck to the letter of the Treaty regarding the
['Dian bleeds 2 The ilinneitse Civil Leis► ought in.
'tautly Is diminished :it ought to be reduced from
owe million two hundred thousand to nine hundred
thousand pounds; mid if socrifiris were required from
the People.they ought first to he made by the prince.
—[Hear!]—The higher the stature, the more bowl('
was the person illieg It to set an "sample to the rest
of the sarintry. Instead of that, be (Mr. Ilum►) SSW
a military mania prevalent that cost the kingdom in.
calculable seats; bands trapped is scarlet and g•tld
were daily paraded about the streets, as if to mock 1 he
squalid poverty of the lower orders.—(l.aughfer
from the Ministerial Ilenchcs.)—Ministers might
level', bet lot them look at the ether ride of the pic-
ture ; let them y the misery of the poor labo.
does indestrious wretches et Coiliclo, or wren of the
unhappy beings they meat in our sirens, and he belie".
ed that there would be but °newton found sarong them
who would still keep a smile upon his countenance,
and that would bee smile of selfwarigratelation from
a Right Hots. Gentleman (Mr. Ginning), that by
habitually turning into ridicule the sufferings of his
fellow-creator's, he hod been able to place himself so
far Awe their unhappy condition. (Continued cheers.)
Gold lace and gorgeous trappings added nothing to the
British character ; economy was what wet needed—
: :Diet undeviating economy; and instead of it, ware
;and espenditoie ran riot in all departments. Look
at the office of Commander.in•Chief; would any
man believe that we were paying 18 guirteas a day to
an individual for filling an office which was wholly
useless ? If the necessary pipets were prodoced, it
would appear that the income of that Royal Duke
was scarcely less than 100,0001. per engem. The
expencti of the Mint and of the Woods and Forests
ought also to be reduced : the latter was not of the
slightest est, and lie (Mr. Hew) hoped to live to
see the day when even the pretence of necessity was
taken away, by the sale of all the Crown lands,
which coat the nation far more than they were 1
worth.—(llear, hear!)—When Ministers tined
of economy, why did they not begin themselves
by making sacrifices—why was the example of the
Noble Marquis (Camden) still solitary ?—( Neer !)
In the Staff of the Army only, 50,0001. might be
saved : in the Ordnance Department 313,0001. said
in the Army Eatraordinaries no lees than 150,0001.
Withal Ore 'Realest Urger to the great interests of 1