The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-27 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The rireeniriet 110‘pital Bill wit lead a gecond time,
and ordered to be cnnitnitted Mil :Ay,

The Bill for repealinz the H-Abantiry nom Tae was
ordered to be read a third titoe this day.
Mr. ABERCROMBY presented a Petition from the
Brewers of the Counts• of Clackinannan, spinet the Malt
Tax.

Mr. W11,1,1.1MS presented a Petition from an insane
person named Hatfield, confined in Bethlem Hospital on
a charge of High Treason, for having attempted in !S4lO,
to shoot his late Majesty. The Prisoner complained
that he had been removed from his former to his present
place of confuiettristt, where he suffered unnecessary ri-
gour. The Hon. Member mule several observations in
support of the Petitioner, bat added he was satisfied no
blame wac to he imputed to his Majesty's Government.
—Ordered to lie on the table.

The Mohair Bounties Bill went through a Committer,
and the Report was ordered to be received this day.
The Captured Slave Bill was read a second time, after
a few words from Mr. WARRC and from Mr. Aftausa-
Nor in answer.—The Bill was ordered to be committed
on Thursday.

Mr. 1110131101:3E prrientel *Petition from Cannel
Pletcher. a Brewer in Weitrainster, eemplaining of wee
indiridnat rrievance ander the Excise Laws.—Tbe Ped-
tion ippearoid to be informal in its prayer, and the lion.
Member thvrefore withdrew it.

Mr. Jorissom, from the OS,ce of the Chief Secreftry
of Ireland, presented certain papers relating loth' order
of the Court of Exchetiuer in Ireland.
The Lagan Spirit Duties' bill west throng!► a Com-
mittee.

Mr. PENMAN oppeseil the Appointment of Cm
missioners urderthe Bill. He bad no oljectioe to
the first Commissioner appointed by the 11111. That
dent:Pusan tra the President of the Hoard of Trade
(Mr. Rol•inson,) and he (Mrs D.) was quite satielied
wit ir the appointment. He had however a strong
*ties, HI principle, to the appointment of Member:
otthe House to offices of emolument. life thongttil
such appoitpments coutr:ry to the.letter of the Act of
•SittJeenent. The observation 41 the holding of office
would not affect the tuin4sof Hon. Nletnbers. went in fact
go repeal 11:e Lnir. If the 'remark was true (lint the
Government n..s opposed because its opprineets were,
niesirous of office, it WAS no unfair conclusior that
discernment tins supported by those whodesired to re
ta::i their oillces. The opinion itself became ink
eared by the einoloment of office, however sincere
itlig!•t 1., !lie notices of the Member: and no man was
supposed to depart from the ordinary principles of 1.11
man a::::e. With respect to ti.e before the
House, really thonght the salary itself took mop
from t::e weight of the respectable personal character
of the t'onim'ssicner. The Hon. and Learned Men
be; hero in ale ...me legal references to shew the ince-
I parity cf persons holding offices by appointment of the
Crown to sit in the House of COmnions. Ile should
therefose most as sn amendment, that no Member of
the Howie should rereive any salary as a Commissict
er under the present Act ; and to exclude all the
words which were repugnant to the meaning of this
Amendment. Ills object was to retain the prinelpl-
- the law, and to pursue the question of Reform Irt
;he quarters of the enemy.
_ _ _

11011110 USE ser.;nded the Amendment.

Tbe CHANCE:IAA/It of the EXCHEQUER sai:t.
the strength of the at znment adduced by the Iton. aci
Learned Membor sleprusled upon the fact, that tt.e.
Commksiosters were appointed b}• the Crown. Pr:
the Commissioners ►sere appointed by Parliament, and
the emolument was also paid by Parliament, although
the Crown had the power of nomination, in case of the
death or resignation of a Continissioner. The Ilot..
and Learned Membet forgot, that in either of thoso
cases the Crown could not nominate a Member of Pa,-
liament to the vacancy and the llon. and Learned
.11enther had theref.we completely liiiesl in loringiree
his argument within 'he letter or the %pi. it of Isis leg:.l
references. There 'v is therefore ass oni of the generl
argument. Its particular application would deprive Os,.
Public of one of the most useful Members of the Cote.
mission.

Mr. HORHOUSF. denied that the argument of Lis
Hon. and Learned Friend had been ansuered. Tie
country nal by this tina• pretty well convinced that it
WWI the duty, o•r at least the 'practice of the House
obey the Minister. Personal eulogy was out of the
question. The argument applied, whetlicv the Aleop-
bet u•aS the worst or the best man :n the world. As
to inditence hating no effect opt n Parlian►entaty
conduct, the ttatement tya‘ a perfect insult to common
le II ie.

Mr. SMYTH approved of the principle of the Rill.
and the appain'tm.•iit, of CotninitsiollPti n•ith salarie-.
:t was an arittorratical idea to require the exertion of
withont ectnlument in retnrn.

Mr. S. mug admitted the justice of the Eenord
pritriple laid down by his Honourable Friend (Mt.
Denman); but he thought the present situation of
Ireland wariantrA a departure from that general prin.
Irelaud had become a perfect Angean stabla
tbruagh tv.tsgoternment ; and an independent ton.-
mission n•as necessary to detect great abuses. and L.
puni•.'n entinent delinquenm lie approved of Dia
Cc.nstuissioners being Members of the Ihmse, in
order that grey might be called to account for their
conduct.

\lr. D. BROWSE defended the Government of
Ireland a-aiust the observation of the last Spral.e.-
comparin; that fluvernment to an Auirean sta;fle,
The depsrttoetit of the Excise was re pure as that of
r.nglantl.
Mr. ti...111.1.ETT thonzht the Otararter of the
House nould it:lra higher nri!li the• people of Enc.
lanJ, if it refrained from granting any of the public
money to its own Meoth..rs. The euloginut on t►.e
individual (Mr. F. Lewis) he had no doubt was lir.
served ; but the same enlogium would be pronnuneed
Go any other Honourable Member nominated by the
Chancellor of toe Exchequer. The most ohjection-
able incitie of appointment was that caused by a tna-
jority of the House of Commons. The French
sembly lust its character s►ith tbe people hy appoint-
ing it. own Members to office. Ile really preferred
that the appointment should be with the Crown, as
the Ministers would then be responsible. He stolid,
however. support the amendment.
Mr. satyric explained.

Mr. RICE also explainer!. Ile :lad no to east
any impa!atiou upon the at the h •ad of tto
public department of I re:and.
Lord A. HAMILTON here asked a grestion re-
specting the intmsded course of th.: orders of the day.
The CHANCHLLOR of :be EXCHEQUER sr-
'veered across the table in a low tone of voire, ott
we could tot bear the sa:.stancs of the answer.
Mr. DENMAN shortly ggrted that
the public business eou:1 not be performed v.-al.:-
out the liberal paytoeut of its officers. He objected
only to their votia; is the House r. Coin-olts.
fle trusted that the Bill wouid t e printed :a em...
der that the House ttiiht be eoabiel to c4usider its
provisions.
The CHANCELLOR et the EXCHEQUER
thought it unnecessary thattl.e Hit elmuld be -,.7:-Ibtet.
—lt would lead to dt:ay. ,
Mr. DENMAN then roupold a ea:vie T:•%:.i.t.ie.air