The Statesman.
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ridiculsos and insignificant than the meeting of a
Scottish county. Ilut, in answer to such calumni-
ators, he would affirm, that the present meeting slid
Ally and fairly represent the county of Edinburgh.
as Ilistinzitished f..-tot the city : that it did collect tile
opinistuo, tint, indeed. of a were rabble, hut of tilos,
whose opinions we-e
.451 value, se: we woottlil consiOt
in the rutcerns of private life, whom in all esigeneies
sre•would entrust with our fort .so or onr honour.
He was convinced that the great owes of the people,
is whom there still retuaineal virtuous and religious
principles, would not long resist the example of those
who were their ns ur tl guides and protectors, and that
they would soon he able to distinguish between their
teal anti their pretended friends. While he therefore
Coney rred in the other pills of the address, be con-
tarred also in that part of it, which breathed the lan-
guage of hope and esowthstion; he had no doubt that
many who now labonresi tinder delnsion, wonid soon
" unite, Ite."—(llere the Leanne.] (lentlemati concluded
by reading 'the last sentenced the address.)
"atavism of Ruth apologised for addressing
the nieetleg hot was (ailed upon, not only by his own
feelings. but an imperative linty, to come forward on
such an *cession as the present. lie had seen in
many quarters, with disgust. attempts to get up mi-
-1 drosses. ander the madams of loyalty. which indulged
in squat and unwarranted imputations of (visor and
distioction on the part of the people. He saw, the
other shay. an address which at present lay in the
Council•Chapiser for signatures; hut it was such an
address, that few would sign it but those attached to
power. It was an address coughed is such unjust and
indecent terms, that every houourable and unbiassed
mind would shrink from countenancing. In one of
the largest counties in Scotland au Address had 'teen
I got up, more consistent with the feelings of slaves to
desputis power than of subjects of a free government.
When he saw such thistgs, befit himself railed ups,o to
come forward, if sot to counteract. at least to protest
against such proceedings. Ile had seen with lunch satis-
faction the ether mistress, where the languagt was soften-
ed down. and the opinions of the pcoplerxpressed in re
speedo' hot independent terms. Nu one wuttl.l
assure anxious to rspr.ss loyalty than he, yet there
were some parts of the address just proposed, from
which he 1151141 dissent; and when hr considered the
rialeut, opprobrious, and improper speech delivered
by tic• seromler of the address, and that that speech
was intended as a conintentary on the aildr.ass, he,
cool,' it"r, r frain from making a few remarks. It'
was the ministers of his Ilajraly of whom they had
to complain, and the address was objectionable in so
far as it conveyed expressions of complete ronfislence
in them, attil did nut express any advice to re ttttt re
them, in rousespietice of the agitations they threw
the ronantry into by theit late measures. The mea-
sures he alluded to were smell that even their indi-
vidual adherent: ilepreeateil them: yet these very
miherents who disapproved of them meet here for
the purpose of eNpressing their approhati in. What
conclusion follow-, hut that it 010.. s out flow from
their own feelings, but I an order from Hover's-
meat, Hilt they now evprers sods app.oloatioon. '1 he
Queen hull heel Or:: verly allw.ieJ to iu the speech
of the hootootrable gentleman, which the mote he
thought of it, inspired loins wills the noon' astonish-
meta. Ile did slut think that the Quern was at all
concerned in the present meeting. The unwise, un-
feeling, and tiniest attempts to prosecute Iser Majes-
ty were at as ettil, awl just and legal step< mull follow
for re-instating her an her honours, atoll restoring
the e.ottutry to quiet. Ile wild not detain the
Meeting by going into, the general 'system of his
Majesty's Ministers lint there was one feature
which he 1111Ift notirr, which was the olangetom4 one
of moleseouting to separate the hither Irvin the
lower classes. If that system were pursued, it would
only be widening the former breach, and rendering
the chasm snore dillicolt to be filled up, owl perhaps
constrain the people to proceed to ford to defend
themselves, and plecure their just rights ; and it
should be re:socialite-re I, however despised they may
be now, that when the I of trial
of the people mast be heard. Another Pamir,. is their
presuming to ‘.sy, that every person who resists Adnoi-
nistratioott, is a rebel, a ratill'.ll. or a &magnum.. If
aversion to the measures of :High:ter. ran ciottstitotte
either lathes'', then their a cessation is made good, fur
that feeling is general among a great w. 15% of the po.
pulaliuo of the country. .1 few cases ior 0111061.rjble
individuals being tried for blnspisre.y and seilit' hail
orrtirrell, and thr whole country had beet, stigmatised
for them. lit floe general accusation however they
might halVe had the candour to confess that this part
of the rontotry was freed from suds inspottations. If
pithlie opinion the p. eseut Ministry mast fall,
or something tonal he door on their port to rontiliate
the people. '1 sr cant of loyalty of a few aristocrats
will not long sapport them, and Ministers are much
deceived if they think that I...terrier mea<ures will ever
allay die fever and discontent that rages attopild the
people. Ile knew no oilier remedy but a change of
measnres, whether with a change of men or rot, that
could restore tranquillity to the country. He hadd
enolea4ottred to express the senitments of an honest
man, a lover of his country, and a lover of the con-
stitution. Ile would suffer his loyalty to carry hint as
far as any one i's a proper way, but he must object to
those parts he had alluded to, and would propose an
amendment, condo-51 in sooosieratc terms—an amend-'
went whirls every friend of his rountry, and of proper
feelings of independence, would agree to. Tlw Hots.
lietotleman then read the amendment.

Sir .Is.r.ss NUE:t NlAlTl.lNoGinsos, of Clifton•hall,
assured his Lordship, that no one conk! enter that,
alerting with feeling' of snore loyalty than he ; but he
regretted es.tremely, that he eisnld not agree to the
address f..r similar minions to those of his honorable
Friend who preceded biol. Ile limb! never :kr priovr '
of the late proceedings. and all men lutist deprecate
their iiispoliey, when the country was returning to
happiness and plenty, sifter the ravages of the late
war. Instead of a comilatiiin to Kink,. and interest
the people, Nlissisters brought on the unfortunate step
,s4aitist the Queen, which has involved the emitstry in
so much confusion and trouble. What (multi
Minis-
tera expect from the publivation of so touch obscenity
anti filth Did they expect to restore or improve the
morality of the nation ? Surely not! lie trosteil,
however, that the moderation and good sew of the

31e tiny; might ?nke, an unanimous RII,Ire le% , and
lie sat down with seeonilinz the anien4niew
General 1), vats rose to sac. that Minister; could
not :roil coterin:: into Ole late inquiry, aid that they
did their dntc awl no cs.,!:- is (kin::: go.
The tli.tirorto h t,i sive ilisensgionts
that •linhl he pot to Ow votv, address
attornilaient slionlil be carried ".--(Ixold cries of
No. no.)
Ali. 'loci: Vert :of Craizirliall. in a lon a
aineiclairA of )Ir. ['ars
passim, On the ht41:111 tliUt it not a gnrt
Hon IIPI111`nt: IWO 1131:.0.....—tky one to I,•ri., awl the
other to get sitoJtio:ts- --hot whetio,r the.. Alintil,l have
a Constitution or yo l'ot.st;tothm.

:Mr. SITAR f. ;Cl,lll,l.it.r.ill:e length a:..1 lunch abi-
lity. contended a ti!i•t the nog 2inal
Sir Illeoeue I•t.t; :I: c incurred with an honmerahlo
gentleman. that the here nab 11.. t whether this
set or a•tother set of men shoul.l hold "(her, bnt whe-
ther they shun .1 support the roost linden or
not. The Address carefully excluded any thing hos-
tile to the feelings of either party; it went upon pnblie
•;rounds ; and he hail flattered himself that an unani-
mous address might have been agreed upon. The
amendment was wit rourhed in inch careful terms;
and it was impossible that an address which threw
blame on either side could pass nutattitim•c•ly ; for
persons of honourable character anti conscientious
feeling might entertain different opinions on political
subjects. In preparing the Address, they had avoided
conveying any approbation of the conduct of litsisters,
but confined themselves to expressions of adherence
and attachment to the Throne ; but the language of
the amendment was not calcnl•rtetl to allay the discon-
tents. Ile did not wish to enter into the question, as
to the merits of the present llovernment. If their
claims came to he discussed, he would hr prepared to
star his Sentiments. 'I amendment recommended,
as a remedy of the evils, an alteration of measures. •this
meant nothing but an Aituralltlll of hi• Majesty's Mini-
ter,. Ilod Cur:;:il he sl 1.1 say any thing against tbeex-
prr..ion iif public opinion. hot he noticed with pain
the continual fluttery against administration. There
was a uri•cbievoras visit abroad, anti they made up
what they wanted its numbers and 'characters by their
activity. It was necessary to unite in putting down
tb..se attempts. It was mit a question whether 1 • .11
Liverpool or Earl (trey should be at the head of ad-
ministration; he wettld INs ready, if that discussion
were necessary, to give his opinion on their relative
merits. Its, was afraid that a unanimous vote ronl4l
not h,• expected. lint he hoped at least that a very
yr.•.tt majority would impport the einixtitittional ad-
dress proposed live his friend Sir John Ilnp.•.

The 1:arl of Itossi.rx arid, that if the o,uestion had
been, n hillier this man, or that man should be at the
hen l of his Alajesly'e tiovertiment, lie ►could hare
been the last man to have intruded himself on the
meeting. It had been said no the other side, that
no objection bail been stateti against the address
proposed ; to this be could nut agree—and while he
e plimented the ho tttttt rabic Baronet on the mo-
deration of many parts of his speech, lie felt that
it was impossible for any man to be silent who had
a true regard fur the interests of his country, and
the lost rights of the people. (Applause.) The
address and commentary go to impute to the pro.
pie a certain degree of disloya!ty and disaffection,
against which hr lutist lift his voice to protest. It was
usual to designate as the lower orders every meet-
ing that expressed opinions opposite to the present
administration, anti this expression lie would be glad
to see avoided. The expression of puldir opinion
on the late occasion frame from the general mass of
the people—from the proprietors—the ye ttttt anry—
trot entry. and a laroa, proportion of the cointtt eerie!
'polity of ►he country ; it cattle from the lowly of the
people, who are the sinews of the state—from those to
who:,, we owe the strength and glory of the country,
mud from whom the jitrytnen are elected for the
civil and criminal trials that take place. Ile could not
lint lament the attempt to separate the hi_•her classes
from the people, and to olesiontice as demagogues and
trai-ors all ti use who did not how flown to the idols of
power a hich they lizol raised and worshipped. The
thin_ most to lie desired was, to r.•nciliate, unite, and ,
conioh:ne the higher with the lower classes. As to
the eternal charge of sedition and irreligion, there'
never was a more 116411 and ridiculous uue made
he believed that at no period was there such
a general spirit of reliAion, or less dispo-
sition to sedition and inegular proceedings.--
His Lordship concluded by say:xg. that there was
northing mare likely to disjoint anti noir:one society
than to hold not, that there was tio loyalty and affec-
film to the ('n►ustitutiou, lint in those who aolbereol to
the present Administrati tt and to vilify the publir
eh:trailer. breautse a few iiitl'lllper tie inoLviolnals had
attempted to stir up commotion and strif...—(Lootol
cheers.)
'Mr. AI icittax. Ltxxioe, of t'olz:nus, next addressed
the Meeting, hot he spoke in so low a tone, and there
was such a confusion in the house, that lie could nut
be distinctly heard.
Fur. James lieneox, of Islington, supported the
amenoltuent, and said, that with regard to the question
of who %%mild he 31inistere, he was indifferent; loot lie
was certain, that, if the present system was persisted
in, the country would be ruined.

'rise Lotto Anaiii. STE said that he hail hitherto ab-
stained fr all public meetings, thinking, that as a
'en ant of the Crown, his motives might be misrepre-
sented ; and he should mit have appeared that
day, bat that he frit intimately connected with the
meeting from the little property he possesswd, being
situated in the county. His Lordship hail hoped that
the address was conches' so a. to prevent iii..eussion,
while the amendment embraced every topic to disunite
—it was a complete party asl,lreses, awl would tend to
disseminate a spirit of disaffection throughout the
conntry. IVith regard to the übservati of fiord
Rosalyn on the state of the country, was it possible
for him to forget that a Urand Jnry had fmnd true
hills against a ntituber of individuals in Scotland, and
thong's the spirit was put do►rn, it still slumbered
,in the breasts of many. As to the circumstances
iof there being no prosectifions against the press,
he meld only say, that it proceeded from his
unwillingness to do any thing against its liberty;
such he would never bring forward but on the

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strongest grounds ; but, howt•ver 11..lieate awl painful it
would be, hr hoped that if it were ever ue,es.aty, it
would he ;loth• with tiruittes.. The learueil Lord
hen pr•weeded to discuss the subject of the pro-
ceedings .le.ti:l4t the Queen, which tourluded :re
stating 11;s bulief that ~0 ftrtstr pruer•stin•fe
emfiord n raja,' Acr..eont Met every 'hi .g le: n! 11.4
fair rowl•I•he arwetd her. li4l if it tea., to Lc pcir.4.4
to rni4.• her to Me ea we hoa )nre the, he.. rener...l
peed...resod.. .Seta, when. a.ai !!• ,11,1 Le 100t..4 ep bp?:
• pattmi nett r.ro:aple lu t/, enoo'ro, he trotted 1,.
Rod. Met others., not they roxlei dr it. It. a urn 1.
meat s:teser.l that the tuldr its i Vat'
latter contained no expressions hurtful to the
of any; and the cnestion was, whether the
was iu that state to require any public ex:tression
opinion, he tituttzlit it was, aul sat down by appeal -
hog of the address.

The vote was here called for by moony ; lint au:joist
loud calls from all quarters of the House,
Mr. Jaren EV rose and said, that he would not inirns:e
on their patience or impatience many minutes; but he
felt called upon, on behalf of himself cud the friends woo,.
voted along with I • , after the stateuseuts of site is arlocA
Lord, to lay before the Bisecting a distinct vie r HI the
grounds why they thought it out only proper, tont ners”,-
sary, to oppose the preolmt address, and sopioort the
anseodment. lie had greet satisfaetion in conc.:fling
with all who had spoken in their professions of loyalty
and attachment to the floverittnent of the cuontry—in-
deed it was not necessary to bring that forward:as 1.0
difference or shade of difference existed between them.
lie objected to give his sesection to the address on tit o
grounds:-Ist. Decease be ronceiresl the atEre4s to 1.1111.
tali expression in reference to the state of the roman.
~
which would undoubtedly convey • false and errosit.o..s
opinion to the public, that would hind Peery one whs.
was present at the meeting. .‘l3ll secnoilly; because it
rontatned nothing of that whit h it was the outy of every
one to express—it did not contain the whole troth—it
contained no expression of their sentitneuts of the eon.
duet of his Majesty's Ministers, It appeared to them
that their ester'sl presumed and knows. attachment of
loyalty to Majesty and liovernsrent was us I lt.swts, fur
all their speeches, and all their proceedings had Lego:.
with them, and ended with thews. What good would
they do ? they would he discharging a told duty and nu
more. To offer addresses to his Majesty on the present
sate of the 1111 nt ry, asset to omit all allusion to the prime
groom! of comoplaint, the etondnet of his 31intster*,
would be mere empty and hollow expressions of snarl'.
ment to his person moil government, and not the whole
sentiments they entertained. Such an address, in short,
did not meet the exigeneies of the times, and some other
atitl stronger expere•ions ut public feeling was called
for. To a certain eNtelot Is:. (Mr. Jeffrey) agreed salt
the statements en the sober side, and admitted that there
had been, anti was, a great and boiling discontent widely
diffused, and was sorry hone extruding among the great
hotly of the people ; i.e would go thus far, but no far-
ther. It was a matter of much congratulation, that no
Male wet ever heard among them to express any disaf-
fection or indifference to the ancieat, intle-rensient
monarchial government; and they had no olajection
that the address should be approved of, if it ex-
pressed attachment to the Constitution. timi forbid
that they should oppose ally such thing. But if a
new address we're made out, embodying the same
fXpreg,iuns of loyalty, or they womb] willingly
soohscriloe the first part of their address as bettor
perhalos, more choice, emphatic, awl pathetic, than
their Amendment —(a laugh)—and at the same lion,"
adding something to the purport already alluded to,
they roulol have no objection fur the sake of unanimity.
Nothing could rejoice them wore than that the whole
meeting should he onaninsous; they cordially and sin.
rerely wished it ; hut to secure errs) that, they mold
server suffer a doctrine to go fortis that the whole meet-
ing thought the present (lover 00000 ent worthy of con&
denee an.l approbation. No ; along wile their exprea.
lions of loyalty, they would also humbly submit to hi'.
Majesty the norans to take away the discontents that
were spread among the people. The next point was not
one that rehired 'smell detail. It was agreed ou all
hands that there was mach dialects.; and dissatisfaction
in the et/owe I mod the course pursued by 31inisters
hall been, and. was a course of intimidation and oppro-
hrinm. to vilify and defame all those who were opposed
to them in opinion and politic*. The;r policy haul toren
tee drive back the symptoms, rather than to counteract
thesis ley kindly am( soothing- measures ; in short, to dry
up the roots rasher than lap off the Inatielres. With re-
Teri to one reproach oat of doors, which had been no-
heed in thee speech of the los 0000 rahle member for the
county, a speech which he admired for its moderation.
asset whirl' he should be prom' to malce his model, lie
hedged to say a word. There had beets clamours with-
out. and these clamours were increasing, bat with de-
ference to the honourable Baronet. he denied that any
respectable member of opposition, either dictated, or
joined in these clamours. lie denied that they ever ex-
pressed opinions of his 31ajesty's thoyerstnient that dill
not contain a protest against ail revolootitonary doctrines.
Ile denied that any respectable IVlsig ever was so atomised
as to say that the House of Lords was unnecessary,
that he ever spoke in tennis of disrespect of the Consti-
tosti tttt , of King, Lords, and COUVUOU., or that he ever
disseminated opinions against resealed religion. But
lie would say, that the Whigs, for the last three years,
were more the attires of calumny and defamation than
even his Majesty i Ministers thenowlyes. Were they
reer found indulging in the wild dreams of some great
riper/mutative republican government, made up ut an-
nual parliaments moil moiversal suffrage ?—t In all °yea-
shins they had lifted their v.oces against them, and in
' the poltheation he had the honour of being connected
wills, there were massy learned and able articles in di-
' rision of these wild opinions.. lie denied all those foul
insinnations. lie coyish' not agree to the address, be-
cause the present Goveruarent represented every room
I Isle)) .ceposerl them as treasonable, dangerous, and too-
-1
1 scnr'llY persons: and hecanse it was tlse tendency ost
the ministerial journal* to vilify dor Whigs, and identify
thorns with the worst a all parties; Mail to call upon
thorns, nut to rely rosins, the throne, *lsere they would
all use •t and perish, hoot rotundthe pre-mot aim. nistra-
tion. whom they have /doddered and applauded in every
stage of their slack career. One word secure ; they ar.
ens, the Whigs of wishing to induce the radicals to join
them. To this charge he directly and proudly pled
guilty. Tisey would he happy 1.) get all radical:, and
even all Tories to joist flume, and to adopt principles-
that they were guerrotesl lov, and return to the pore and
prinsitive oho-trines aside!, they inenleate. It was only
when that as.iossilati 111 l of parties was actaousplished, anap
when that 'Usti's, ..us of 11141616 M was rUr4ro:, deal
Ihry NMI!' over hops- to 111111 a remedy for the bleeding
wounds of their COMO ry. But it aas a fart, that the
furies had the same desire, mull were glad to :oak's
concerts of all those who were opposes! to the King sir
his Government. What was floe 'lolly of the Minister.
4 religion, not certainly to discharge 'lamination, hut
'ty calms if insming, anti patient rod preset ering counsel
mil kindness. to wean the oniteliever from his seeptiosso
—to pluck the brands from, the fire, and make thee,
l Noortloy of the whirl...sense and olivine !rusks whirls they
1 taright.—(Loud eiseers.)--.‘rod what course could he
'sore fair and Isononrahle than to endenroor to briny
over those misled persona. wino %night otherwise Lett y