The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-02-28 00:00:00

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between thee in Pr . ,1111 ',lance Committee. He would sow illustrate Ili case.
I profits of die 4. • - heal. t w infinitely safer it was to leave all such maais.tt seer
like any other tftsdi g e pan? ... the regular awl responsible
, advisers of the Cr.,;/ heal.
are
'temo an to such agents as a • finance Committee, h . win
joist capital,of the I Ire -
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charged on the Coseelidated ference first to the Act of 1782:called Mr.B he
and laragisisg): Timaiesii- ivil List Act. The bringing in of the Bill wasp,. ft
'the pprtnere tido claws accord• ceded by a Mnsare from the Crown. The sunk. So
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a profits and shares—tA 1.•111.0. able Member read this Message from the „Intuit,
relass of the chartered party eon-
for tcrpurpose. iiiii Oiled, o shelling, by its laa, hi
winctpet secretaries. the Lord gnat* and sentiments, how infinitely more ratios, Cr.
t Chased ler of thw Exthoquer, tire Crelowsewev epoweienffier oceasi on s, Am the „ ewe 1
( the Admiralty, with a pension (; m overnest"--the Pi Committee. He (Mr. 0
ear to each, provided be woo two C) theft read the pretest& to the Bill. The gal le
meeting). Those were to enjoy then errermerated several officeo, which it derlarel to Illi
year in whatever way they made be. by virtue of the same Act, totally suppressed. Bet ert
se if .that what be thistly wished to call the *itemise sf tie its
ewsitiesa of
ftt penal.,e lanii'
of WOOL a- Homes to Was, the eirestnetance that not only so eel. 'Or
siltation at all of years, so that peesetion was considered necessary, under the sirens,. sit
tidy two months were entitled to stances, is consequence of the supp 'Qs of dew sti
ght merely kis, bands and take offices. bat the Aot sent on to regulate and disioith lc
'. rayon:during life.—(Hear, hear, the existing peados*, declaring that no pension sholi 411
e Noble Marquess cheered as if exceed tielreise• of 1,2001. a-year. Very unlike ic. 11
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mis eetatemplation—(Hear, hear, deed thoondeopple speed upon by the twenty-two lies. 111
1. The second class of the body tlemen of whom the Committee was compssed, vi. w
Itief Secretary for Ireland and the thought thossoelves jeatileol, in consideratioa of the it
who were to have three pensions abolition of certais aktell. to divide pensions woolly; •
r having possession of office for their own body—not limit,' to 1,20 UL a-year, het P
rd class of the joint company con- sometimes v.:leading t. 3,1)1101. a-year. At the time i
tory to the Treasury and the Se- that the Act above alluded to was framed, all the 41
iralty, who, after live years' ter- great men, whose connection extended over a gnat a'
ix pensions of 1,5001. rayear each. interval of oar history, were thee living, sod ~,t tl
nsiated of the Under Secretary of there was so suggestion eves of the propriety of a t
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the Ordnance, and two Clerks of , recompense to any of them from whom sinetere eau,
Cue were entitled, after a peeisession laments were withdrawn. Ittut perhaps the &Litanies i
irS, to 1,000/. each, Until these between the two Acts—that of of:. and that of tie . elt
eti for the Kings and Qualm of noise* Committee, was ocessiotted by the eirest.
re of the merits of their et:Mats, stance that the one—the Act of 82, nas brought is I
ves of the Sovereign were esdetely by official.,;reponsible persons.; the other, by lirj,.
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ro,isiono of that Bill. Thai Right hers who were not in aotharity, and i• no way pun. 1
eas,opplesite wad his tripods slight cipating in she responsihility for public measure"...
, hear,)—but he would repeesdolisat fire next Acton the wholes/was principle of Mr. I
diem than an 'instrument. The llorke's Act—was the Act of 13117, brought in lit,
,nwer of giving 3 WU/ a-year to 'vise by official men. It was au Act for abolish* I
uld only give 1,21)01. a•year. Rot several places in Englaral and Ireland, and, so tars 1
old give to one person, by tha. reaertled the latter kingdom, the House would a.e that
a 11111, jeo found by referelice to the Act in question interfered with the interest of a
ntroritteitil be Mr. IL Hilbert. 3lr. great part of its Arist• cracy. lint the theist', oho
it Cattlereagh, who Iseleoged to a introdnewl the measure said nothing ahout compress-
, and it vets opon this first Report tion to high and efficient men. There was a provitim
that the Bill was brought in. fur clerks, as there should have bees ; bat the sew
object of the labours of that Com loctrinr of the necessity of compensatisc high and
der and ascertain what means i efficient me :u was serer dreamt of; and for a Fi-
take for the relief of the country mince Committee, at this time of day, to start
comical way of carrying this oh such a principle, was a monstrous outrage.—(llear,
begin by dividing the sum is' hear.) To conclede then, be wits for motorist
high and rift dent pawl, in per the eanstituticnal practice, that of cotomusicatist
)egged the attentiou of the limp. with the Sovereign upon such a tale all this, rape.
e provisions of the Act, which h ting an end to the innovation of Finance Committer.,
The first to which be would al- Any one who paid attention to the Reports of Catmint.
to regulate certain often is the tee would see that they had been nibbling at this .Gtr
rin Ragland, And he begged to since the year 1793. lie was convinced that if tor
he authors of this Bill showed all there was. a measure which emanated front that Vow
at tenderness for the sinecure man. calculated to make conceal to Parliamentary Referse.
a I of the offices in the Et- it was the an of the Finance Committee, of which he
tion Offices, where the duty was, in was sow endeavouring to show the inapolicy. His oh.
this Act, to he performed by dr- jest was to exhibit the case in its true colours, to fami-
howoulaimsk, was lost by the high liarise the public to tha contemplation of it. It was
ns by being compelled to' perform not his intention to more for the repeal of Out Act ar
on? In short, it wooll be found p t, though be was resolved not to quit the tuf-.
more than precisely this-a-transfer lect until lie bad dune his utmost to get it abollsOri.
pae places from the Crown to the The immediate object of his hourbfirmotiost was to ha
•at was the 61st chapter for the out whether or sot, by the abolition of eineenres tad
sinecures slid the creation of pen- places by virtue of this Act, the piddle had ph•ked op
i-ct, a sinecure WSW sot a pension. a few pawls, or, on the contrary, if they were, coo the
1201 chapter, which was an Act for whole, oat of pocket by the intestine. He then moved
rtain offices, and the regulation of that there be laid before the brume an account of all
is, in Ireland. Hewai now coasi- profits which secreted to the public by the abolition of
of compensation under the circom- sinecure places smiler th. Crowe, by rirtne of an Art
Bill contemplated. He protested of the rush of the late King, specifying loin the sore
uction of such a principle at all. had accrued, and the total amount of the same. He
nnest—it was raising money under would follow this by ano:hrr motion for all account of
was Parliamentary swindling. Th, the number and amount of pessiune created is crow-
n the great majority of cases, that
arner of the abolition of certain Sinecure Places, by
e than transfer the patronage from virtueof the aforesaid Act. He said that he hoped an
restore; andthis transaction was to
i the sons of 42,000/. The 66th chap-
objection would be taken against the latter lUtgl.)11, OR
mend the 221 of the King. In what the ground that there was so benefit accruing ti the
mendtnent male? In giving a sum public—for the word oil would just answer all his par-
the Vice-President of the Board of ouses.—(Hear.)
was the Act to amend another Act. Mr. BANKS said he WAS sure that the House would
re airing the Master of the Mint to
he a little sarprised to hrar that the Hon. Member,
tfice in person. And why should lie
who had jots uttered to laboured an invective against
lost by the regulation? Was that
timers of a similar kind, for paying the principle of this Bill, was ae much committed to the
ient persons a sum of 42,01110 f.? The principle of the measure as any Member of that house.
regulate the office of the King's Kt- —(Cheers.)—He would just torn the attention of the
Here again the Bill required, fur house to the proceedings of May 31, 1810. A debate
.1 execution of those offices, that they arose on certain Resolutions einem:jog from the He-
rd in person. And why not—if for tlie
port of the Finance Couiroittee. After the house had
of of the saute 2 There was no oaring
e only effect of the Bill was to trans- agreed to the Kesolntions, upon a division, a farther
um one quarter to another ; sod fur resolution Was passed, without dissent, to this elect:
'r things, they demanded. on the —That for this purpose, in addition to the other two.
Orient men, the saw of -12,1 M.— surer taken by Parliament for roe regulation of pea-
l' of this Hill would stand by the
s embodied i n i' . let the Muer C slam
ro•e na and i
o it
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he pexroPt;iiitienngt obfnminebalnYstooafd jsrueistssilte
ached upon the 6th of tam-en .Atine. eaeompensing deserving public men, by the appropro
that any Member of Parliament
urines to their me of sinerure places; regard brier
6 by the patent of the Crown, shit',
hail to existing interests in otfi--es so to be disposed et
ppointtrent. vacate his sett in Par• The Hon. meml,„ (Mr. C.) said that when the An of
rredinie.mohleed h
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the
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,sr.ak the 7
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abeesnt,tli of the
thono.i,
then King
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• vacate his seat. But the present whether Os- lion. Member could or could not doe
the Act of Queen Anne, for it Ad-
ming. of pensions was equivalent that he was present at the discussion of the 3lst d
May, might he collected from a fact which he walla
the granting of patent places, amid
he utterances never thought of re• jest state to the beset--namelr, that it appeared froo
the Journals of the house that on a division of s pre.
Members to whom pensions were ohms part of the house, the tellers were upon one tilc
consequence, vacate their seats.— Mr. Creevev and Lord Viscount Milton.—(Cheers.)—
notice the reign of the liononrable Hut he mould come to the consideration of the Hill so
s of this Bina he would not hare much traduced ; a question of infioitely more haw-
the loss of his seat, which was twice to the House thin that of the inconsistency of a
(orient election. He (31r. Creevey) particular 31entber. Ti.. points to which be wind.'
• attention of the House to a chiefly address himself were these, whether or not this
le greatest Importance ; namely, was a Bill 6t to be passed at the porticul ir period of Its
assumption of power by
thr enactment; and next, wile her or notaneci,cmcstaoos
TS of that House of late.—.
had since occurred to a Iter the ex pediencr of the:neaten.
n Executive Government within
coble Lord opposite would never, The Right lion. Gentleman then adverted to Mr.
Burkr's Hill, as well as to the Report of the Committee.
f Minister, bare made such a of which the late Speaker was a pent. iciest member,
the [louse as that which bad been and showed the opinion as to the principle of recoils•
unmen•led by the Finance Com-
Iti II which he was no
sing pensing high de-tenter men with sinecures. Mr.
the Crown, and iutinuared his
recooree to the imposing ceremony liarke'; words upon time propriety of maintaining the
policy of such a course to every country were etabodisd
into a Resolation agreed to by a Committee, and snee-
r's/. of a Bill ; but never, as a IV.. ward by is
s that mouse. That great au imin ~
would he have dared to pot his stated that the
bold, unabashed manner of the Fi- daily wegoo waieh by the vomit' of
the casette were allowed ea its public funttiosarie r
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