The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-02-07 00:00:00

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tAillen on lb.

TheSolicitor.General,
Mr. Cassies,
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'4l v. Wilberforce.
Mr. Bootle Wilbraham;
Mr: W 1 Midas,
I Sir R. Peel.
Sir.W. Scott. lar Corti',
Sir 3.
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. RIDLEY remitted, that his Noble
Friinid,..fierd G. 'Cavisedjell,...was et, i ceuaidgreble
'distince,''and la• circumstances which madeit
eible for him to attend: •He wished to karts% ts4aAm
any objection -Wee'fittAit iseeitioettes:4lllr:
Tierney in bit place.? •
Lord CAW:4E4EIGB' apprehended thit this
would be a praoxeding perfectly inconsistent. with
the. torture of a Cinnatiltee Womet ,by hallot. The
Noble Lord tibiae abseoce be regretted, wee to
every point of, !low; a most proper person to be in,
the Coestaittai "ooht*Piebably as ouch bad been
elected: •
• Mr. BROVGHAM' protested against the Noble
Laid (Caltierttegbi .sitting on a Committee which
might bare to.determine a bother actions should null
fir brought:tittirlt iodividuels wto bad per.
Mips aliesidyinintnencedthem. With regard w the eb.'
settee -of his Noble Friend, be would put a case
whicit
.happen—that of nestle
'Of the hiernb4S: Wiesen by ballot• being able to at-
tend ; and ask what coarse would, then be pursued ?
lfreappiithended IbAt autitkeiballot must take place,
!awl lite inability of his Noble Friend to *timid thel
;Cormatttete, was, pre faille, as geod a reason (*can.
tither ballet, as the estrelbe • cove which Ise had sup-
Ipeeed. k would appear 'that there were evidently
'ebb WO
O' the Committee who were opt ablete sit.
The Hoag would then find that they were left almost
is the partko tbeinselves, and the decision in the
Committee was to be made by .the Salicitor.Generai,
the Attorney•Cositeral, and the Noble Lord, several
Cabinet Ministers,' trod several almost Cabinet bpi.
nisteri, who were of the profession of the law, and'
others; and it was tti these that tte, imparutut ques-
tion for which the Committee was required was to•
be referred. Re bad been told, indeed, what they,
would have to examine took in a much wider rap.
than' had been Imagined. Now, if the Noble Lord
came betel, the goes*, they could meet Wm-openly,
they could-confiatst him, but it was trot SQ with a Se..
cret COnmittee'i it . was not so where there were
many who would not attend, and others. who might,
for varied! reasons act along with particular per.
sons ; there they well acting behind backs, and there
were, 'shirked said the eight before,Menthers ran that
Committea'Nebn Whia parties to actions,. who were on
the face Of .tiut eery record; and those were pitched
uptle its Menthe!, el& setirelAtibenall, WooW.itey.
biethber eclitris?thst. it. -was proper that such should be
•the•ease?
." Was it right ' that the,Right Hon. Gen-
4010.tliclounith'l relation, that the. Noble
Lee, and seeiralieitliers whom he had named, were
tir* Oactettrn• the Emboss still Cliff,, and be
did tot kesoli fib* suill7 *be were all bring.
lug actioesagainal.themseivot? Were these to decide
the question in their own favour, and to say that the
recordcwere. to be,tore to pieces, and Abe espeuces.
to be. borne by thc.persons who had brought the ile•
00118 ? This was the case, however; and he trusted
that, such being the case,,i;ima`lfouse would permit
him to mere, etithet,- that the ballot should be re.
'commenced, or that some other .method ahould,bm
*doped 'of forming the Committee. Indeeds—it,
would be much better to found e motion upon,the
particular metes, but he understood thla ballet was
not concluded*
The SP EAKEIt. —May L be pardoned in asking
the House what is the precise question now before
them ?
Lori' CASTLEREAGH slid the question was,
that the Committee Ahnuld meet to-morrow.
WILBERFOILCI' thought it desirable, that
if any Member returned upon the ballot were unable
to attend, another should be substituted.for him, if
.such substitution could be made consistently* with the
usages of the House. To the principle of ballot he
declared he &cloud himself an advocate, because it
fiforded the best chance, of escaping the influence of
potty; and producing a fair selection. But even
.upon ballot there must be some previous wader.
standing in the Hoose mile whom are to be chosen,
for otherwise the softie of many Members must be
entirely thrown away. •
' The SPEAKER:kw-Ad, that there was no piece.
dent- on the Jaunts* of the House, in which, after
a Member was elected by ballot to serve on a Com-
mittee, name was substituted by another, as was
now proposed.' fie felt it his duty to state this, as
he totted so trace of 55th a precedent, ezeopt where
some Parlieseentarrdisqialification existed, or whore
a physical impOstillitity appeared.
Mr: CAIA;RAFT observed, that the House must
have s poweisto fill up any vacancies that -psigist t 444..
piste is flawCmOmittee. Ile wished to" say OOP'
. weed with reseed to the preseist, for although Worn
e.Seciel Cosismitiey' he belleved•he-enight 'Bede twit
fact connected with h. He Was not sworn, and did
not think it would be out of order to do ,o. On
the appointment of 'this Committee, 103 persons put
lists of .names into the:glass,. and of those lists there
were 07 'written _re the same hand, and coqtaining
the same names. If his flone.rable Friend had been
in attendance, and seen the persons by whom those
lists were Ott in,'be would have bet little doubt as ,
to theluarter from which they came.
Mr. CANNING said, that if it was necessary to
take' any 'OOP 'with ieipect to the there was. one
obvious course for the Hoes' to adopt. They could
insist that any Member not pre:4mA by a physical
impossibility, should do his ditty. ref his own pert
lie should pretest againstthe adoption Of aoy,other
step. . : •
The SPEAKER. quoted the case of Sir Joseph
Jekyll, who was chosen by ballot to serve on a
Committee. An objection was made to his appoint.
•thint, on the ground that he bad not taken the usual
.oaths at the .;EirlL's. table ; 'bat the lipase, on a d(..,
vision, decided that he was qualified,' aud! refused '
suboitute another name.
Si; W. BURROUGHS maintained that' there
might be a Parliatnentery. disquallficatien to'e'sciside
a ltember from sereing tin such e Committee. The
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