The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-10-19 00:00:00

Slit ROBERT W74-413N %ND bIR. BOWRINO.

(EXTRACT OP A LETTER PROM 'PARIS, OCT. 16
All that I now have to inform you of relates to a
countryman of your own. M. 4:e Perronnet, who has
acted during sonic time past for the Minister of the In-
terior, has given orders to Sir It. Wilson to leave the
French capital in 24 hones, and the French territory as
quickly as he can travel. Sir Robert was yesterday
called to the Police-ofEce and informed of this order.
He of coarse slid not resist, anti slid not argue. He only
Legged that he might he allowed to remain in Paris till
urday morning, instead of Wednesday night, as Lady
Wilson was in such a poor state of health, that travelling
by night might seriously injure her. The director of
the police could not comply with the request, nor in fact
grant any indulgence; lot offered to state the matter to
M. de reyronnet, and to semi Sir Robert hie answer.
Sir Robert immediately proceeded to Sir C. Stuart, and
relocated liins to ask the French Government the caner
of such an extraordinary measure. He assured the Am-
bassador upon his honour, that be neither had said or
done any thing while in Paris, to warrant what be must
call such an insult. As the emniea of the gallant
General tuay endeavour to cot:medial& order to depart
trout Franco with the ;!rreet of lOC .Bowring, anti the
seizure of hie papers, the etitter of this letter is request-
ed to sate, that Sir Robert liad•not given to Mr. Bow-
ring any Issuer, paper, note, or document whatever—
that whatever may the entice of Mr. Bowring's arrest,'
Sir Robert cannot be implicated in it—that his objects
in coming to Paris had nothing connected with French
politics—and while bete he neither said or slid any
thing that could give reasonable cause of offence to the
French Government, far lees warrant such a proceeding
as had been adopted against him.
The following is from the Morning Chronicle of this
day
The family of Mr. Bowling has, we understand, as-
certained at the Foreign-office, that it is intended to
proceed against him merely for the penalty attached
to • big letters without authority from the Govern-
ment.
We understand that in answer to the inquiries which
have been made at the French Charge des Alfaires in
London, respecting Mr. Bowring's arrest, It has been
mated that no atithoiised intelligence could be given on
the subject. 'An intimation, however, is conveyed, that
the French Government had acted on information
charging Mr. hearing with some start of indefinite and
inexplicable participation in the project for liberating
the unfortunate hut heroic individuals who lately pe•
dished in Paris, from the dungeons of the Iticetie. A
few ambiguous allusions are also made to the noble and
succesaful enterprise of Sir ltobt. Wilson and Messrs.
Bruce and Hutchinson, in the case of Lavalette, with
the view of shriving the reasonableness of such an ac-
cusation against an English gentleman of liberal prim-
lples.

N.

DINNER. AT NP.WBL'itY.
The day before yesterday (I7th inst.) being a Fair-
day and Market-day at the sa.ue time at this great intr.
for corn and cattle, Mr. Uobbett, agreeably to Lis pre
vines notification, dined pith the farmers at the Pelican.
Comparatively few persons sat down to dinner ; bat after
the cloth was removed, and the danger of expence along
with it, the room, which was tolerably large, became
perfectly full, while the passage leading to it (the door
being kept open) was also crowded as much as possible.
These circumstances are mentioned for the purpose of
showing the interest excited by the subjects in agitation.
People may, indeed, ascribe the state of these circum-
stances to just what they please. But, here they are;
Six Acts do not provide banishment for us for stating
such circumstances: we choose to state them and state
them we will. The cloth being removed, the Chairman
gave the Ktso's health, and. we believe, he gave the
Church along with it. At any rate, the thing seemed to
attract very little attention ; and we wish, with all oar
hearts, fur the credit of those who drink toasts, as well
as oat of respect to the King himself, that this sort of.
ceremony were for ever laid aside.—The Chairman hay
ing given Mr. COBBETT'S health, be rose and spoke
pretty nearly to the following effect according to the
notes taken on the spot. We do not pretend to give
word for word; we pretend to give the substance, and
that we are sure we give correctly.

01INTLEMIIN—It is very well Understood, without any
positive compact between as, that yott are to drink my
health and that I am to make you a speech. I will not,
therefore, waste your time in vain apologies about tree-
bling you, or with that species of mock-modesty which
is so much in vogue, but which is very little short of
hypocrisy, and therefore a thing which I scorn to em-
ploy.—At a late meeting at Liverpool, Mr. CANNING
had his health drunk with nine times nine cheers.
We have beard much reprobation of mouth-honour;
but, Il think, month-honour so perfectly liberal as
this
think, gentlemen, of eighty-one bawls coming out
of a couple of hundred mouths; conceive, if )on can.
any thing more disgusting, any thing more foul
than these bawls, than the fames of these bawls, pumped
up from stomachs gorged with turtle-soup and with wine.
purchased, too, for the far greater part out of the tasea '
drained from yon and from the rest of those who labour
for their bread This noisy crew were said to be mer-
chants. Merchants, indeed! Traffickers, if you like.
but in something of a nature very different indeed from
cottons and woollens, or any other species of tangible
and visible goods. These people were, in short, a set of
hungry seekers after a share in the tares. They knew
that Mr. CANNING was to be either Governor-General o f

India, or Secretary of State. In either capacity they
knew, that be would have something to bestow upon
soma body. They knew. indeed, that he could not pro-
vide for them all; but each of them hoped that he wools'
provide something for hi,,, or some of his relations.—
When a pretty girl has half a dozen lovers, they knew
that only one can win her; but each of than hopes to he
the fortunate one; and therefore the whole of them
court her with equal ardour. Contemptible as scenes
like this ere; anworthy as they are of a MAO of real ta•
lest such as Mr. CANXINO is ; ashamed as be ought to
have been of this mouth-honour, to transactions like
that at Liverpool we are, perhaps, to ascribe no email
part of those calamities which are now showing them-
selves in forms so hideous. This species of shooing and
bawling was one of those means that were made use of
during the late war to keep up the spiritt of the people.
as it was called ; Antis to say, to blind them, to deceive
them, to induce them to approve of the war and of all its
expences, the consequences of which we now see before
us; but which consequences we only see, as yet, a
very small part, comparatively speaking. [Mr. Consume
here went into a statement of the grounds of his opinion
as to a further fall of prices ; but as this was little more
than a repetition of that which will be found in our pa-
per of Monday List. as delivered to the farmers at And-
over, we shall omit it here.) There is a persuasion
amongst the farmers, that the landlords will take care of
the farmers ; that they will never suffer these calamities
to proceed until they themselves have lost their estates.
fientlemen. there is a great error in this way of think-
ing. I have said it, 800 knows, often enough before ;
but I cannot too often repeat that the landlords have
an interest, quite other than that of the farmers, and, in
some respects, directly opposed to it. There are certain
great landlords, and pezhap., the far R rester part of the
landlords, who can never be expected to do that which
can bring the only remedy for these calamities. The
remedy in the opinion of every man who reflectsupon the
subject. is a change in the mode of electing those whoim-
pose the taxes, and who anthoriz•• the spending of the mo-
ney. Now, if I were a great landlord; if I hail a brother or
other relation that was a Bishop, for instance ; and if
several persons belonging to my family, were erjoying
immense incomes under the pre.ent mode of electing,
meeuhers of Parliament, el hi I not he very slow in
doing any thing to cause a change in that mode ? Bet-
ter fur tne and my family to lose a part of our rent. ;
nay, perhaps to lose the whole of our rents, than to do
that which would endanger the existence of these M-
I comes out of the taxes. There i., for instance, a
fa-
mily not very distantly connected with this county,—
I mean the family of Lord RADNOR. And when I men-
tion this family. I select one, perhaps as much respected
11 as any in the kingdom. The Peer himself is univer.allv
tee/litho' as an honest and independent mm. His sun
Lord FOLIIIIISTOXI is honoured bo muy body that
knows him; and has freqaently acted, in the Parliament,
a very spirited part in furor of the rights of the people.
Yon are sensible that Midi family were to put itself in MO.
COO; were really to hetteritself,the etfectwould be prodigi-
ous. There appears upon the face of thiogs. every reason
fortheir doing this. They mast be losing a considerable
part of their rents. They mutt see that they shall lose
a great deal more of those rents; and yet the family of
Radnor are, in this state of things as quiet as so teeny
mice. The truth is, that one and the other belonging to
this family; the relations by blond M. the relations by
marriage; family connexions distant or near; those that
are clergy and those that are nn', receive front source,
other than that of rents. and principally out of the taxes,
not less titan twelve or fourteen thousand pounds a veer.
—Why, gentlemen, this is quite enough. The Noble
Lord and his son, neither of them touch any part of this
money ; but they, like the rest of mankind, have an eye
to the whole of the interest of the whole of their family.
Then there are the landlords of the second class. l.nnk
at their connexion with the clergy, with the tax-gather•

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era, with the army. with the navy with. in short, tho.,
of every description who live nrinn the tan....'. 1,.. fa,,,
lords seeth.:r rents coin_ ;bat ify up• iut ui•a rrree!v
that will endang►r those nhe!ive upon chess and:ale.
lu k at. The Chnrcii in p,rtieular, must Ion; at rich
they turn f the rem, ily 8. something Nl.l f
di it must ho evident to
imitarnntahriitlnthweitPhaorultiunevidoing"::rrieetrnirtisle*:6l2l:lll4t",......l
rialir affect the Church property. My opinio.l is the
namreefivoroird Parl:atnent wool' not sit a week h-fore
propose some measure materisile to
this property ; and, for my part, i frankly tieeivre
would, without doing this, not sit In P.ir!i
single day. This is very well known to all the iM
interested ; and, the:et:4e, we may cease to
why landlords are so haekword in emlearnun
.11 tl.l
lain that Ref ran out of a Itioh, only, a teMoly eAt
spring. Besides these cosiiirrations, there is
further circumstance, that. up to this tio.e. the
landlords in general have been gainers instead 0:
being losers by the fall of prices. They &Hedge.
and very truly, that the fund-holler is rtseie,,
three or four times as much as he ought to tr.
mire ; but they seem to forget that in the ea ne
don, they are receiving front the farmer. In time, it ie
true, they mast cease to receive this; bat hithorto Omer
have received it ; and, receive it they will. as long is
the capital of the farmer shall last. To expect any e •
lief from measures to be adapted by the gosernepro
self without any exertions ofyoar own, woold be stria,'
indeed, after what you have beheld. Nothing can or
more COMIIIOII than the belief among the farmers, that
the g .yerevartst knows best what ought to be done for
them. If it do kiwi., heat, it is strange that its M• 11111,11
should have brought the farmers to ru:n. Nevertheless,
tit s opinion is very natural. and unhappy. indeed, is the
conwry where the very existence of the farmer and his
family must depend upon his understanding natters on
intricate as these. To he skilful in his own business
is enough fur him ; and therefore it is hr no tanns
reasonable that he should rely upon those when he hdp;
so amply to pay for adopting wise measures with
oorut to the nation's affairs.—But, in spite of all
ibis, we are fallen into times and cireumaanees,
which renders it necessary for the most hrtmille of ns In
endeavour to and .1 such matters, sn•l even when
experience tell us that we onght to trust to oar eon
jndgment, and not too confidently rely on the opinions
lethal', who ought to be oar guides to 'sapidness and
safety. As an instance of the fallibility ut persons on
whom we have been Mot to rely, let me beg ktee to
call your attention to the opinions expressed at different
times by Mr. Haskisson. This gentlanau enjoys great
e noltiruent from the public treasure; he has beta dr.
voted to the rank of a privy.conasellor of the king.—
That rank places him at the same boast with his
jesty himself. He is a person who has been thirty years
engaged in public affairs; and to all this I alo my
opinion, that he is the cleverst man of all those oho
have any thing st this thus to do with the devising
of measures to be adopted by the Parliammiat ; and
I believe. farther, that his opinions have more wriest
with the King's Washers than these of an mare
man. Here, then. if any relsure, we might ream.
ably look for something lit which to rely; het chat
have we lucre? In be year 1815, Mr. 111:61ISSON vas
an advocate of the Own 'Pill, for which the people of
Havant were stupid enough to born him in effigy. His
doctrine at that time was this; —that the prices.; pro.
duce must be at least double the traoant of whet they
were before the war; or that, it woeld be impossible to
collect between fifty and sixty millions a year in later,
without the ruin of all those connected with the lase.
This was Isis doctrine is 013. Haring the last Session
of Parliament, he held the doctrine, that Unwise %Cr
and sixtYinillions of taxes a year could still be coltrai.
ed. though the prices were then come doyen to what
they were before the war. without the this of any bads
cemented with the land. Well, then. gentlemen, where
are we to look for opinions on which to plarenr retinue?
The true way is, to Judge for ousel ves, taking ex?crimee
for our gnide; and if wedo thisovelliall find that there is ems
remedy bat In a very large redaction of the tales and
tithes; that these reductions cannot be effected without
a Reform in the Parliament; mid that, for the reasons
before stated, and to which many other reason migaf
be added, to obtain that Mono the Yeomanry theme
selves mast step Calvert! with just as mach seal es they
were induced to step forward to cause to be 'enure l
those t 1101131038 debts, to pay the interest of which tiny
aye now giving the very beds from under them. If tars
or three hundred of the yeomanry of this county we-e to
sweigentiangreeVisiisteiottiotonnithy: t
to Sheriff,
take %ego Li esc: ionngahits a enatl
propriety of presenting a petition to the Parliament as
the subject of their distresses and on that of a remedy f, r
them ; I am not to be male to believe, that the filirritt
would refuse to call such meeting ; of he were.le'll Pei"
be made to believe that the yeoman themselves t
sign a petition stating that refusal at qua 88111 e their ; rvi
if all the counties in Kagland were thin to petition,
eluding a prayer for Reform of Parliament is every 0"
of their petitions, I ant not to be made to believe tbd
those petitions would be rejected by time Parliament.
Far he it from me to endeavour to encourage is y
gentleinen of Berkshire. the hope that your slams ItUß',l
be seconded by these who are called your members; re%
daring time whole of the last Seision of l'arhaotent, ty
far the most important Session that I have t ter ;newt::
and during which there an no other comity use's
members did not say something or other. at any ral...
not one single sentiineut. as fat as I could observe, et-
raped the lips of either of the members for Bier wSLIF•
Yet, this has been called a puidic-spirited comity;
and
the freeholders really seemed to think that they wets
doing great things for themselves when they 'laud
these two members; members may he ine:lnent, to he
sure, and yet lie hottest. They may he virtaons, those+
incapable ; bat to an assembly, where to t ilic is the hie
sinews, who lint the freeholders of fierkmhire ever sect
nen that were ilansb? °mint tbrse etenthera hears-ire
though silent in the House, has not always been site".
00t of it. On the lot stincs at the 1 art efecion, he we'.
if I have been rightly informed. ware: t-."tiv• than
jolt or prudent. I think I am comet in saying that he
tinplate to WO (a man in no wise interfering with h'r'
nr his affairs) a connection and than:potion aids
TuISTLKWOOD and his assuchies, tcllo Were at that tin,e
in irons, waiting to be tried for th-'r hers.(A geno.•
man here said that be heard it hinms-li) This 0."
jalrelood, and a ruoligurrxr falv•li,,o,l too ; for I wort
even sow Mr. TutertilivooD, in oil my lifts.--
Gentleman, there is no accouwitg for :saes; bat, thiu I
will say, that if a faithful historian shall put upon re..
cord fairly and truly, the a hole hitti-dy au.l chi:tatter SI
the parties, would choose to he p. t upon recon
under the name of Tetamatroon, rather than Wider that
of Dvx Lists -(Loud cheering.)—The .;:oral to 'lethal'',
(rota tide, however. is of iuudi more importance 'Lin tt.e
personal interest of the matter. It hue always'
the v.dce of truths. Mr. Dux uas had at the tioe
alluded to, just COMO pipin.f hot down into tar
county, after Laving voted for those Six
somegenll uln y'r orh e octrtyi e of;
sedition(;
tei ohm() tit bl 'so?: t -co fr6y,ltsuli ,bsu:
Acts,
far greeter part of w:ticts were levelied at me, Dunn.
the diseussions on those Arts. numerics were the ins:i
nuations from various of the persons concerned; inn
:l
CANSINO almost more vi..ientt but I toot sir
more honest than the rest, pretty ue-rly ripenlystrartst
the intention when lie called upon the lions to nits.
guisis for ever that accursed" torch of discorde' aye, it''
'fiat% suiel
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mtvreur
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as those of Mr. DUNDAG, would, perhaps, hare pewee .
e all therein that we now behold. It is !once( course,
eelco I first beard of these attacks upon the hustings
is Herkshire. I did not deem the party from whom they
ease ef sufficient importance to make them a subject of
commentary in my writings; hut being now in Berkshire,
led in a company where, in all prohabilitv, the accuser
bas some friends. I now make my remark; upon his con-
dart; and if he will meet me at Reading on the 9th of
November, I will there do the same to his face. Gentle-
men. I scorn to disguise from you my opinions with re-
gad to the conduct of the freeholders of this county at
the late election. Herd it would indeed have been if
tbey mild net have found amongst themselves, a person
obese I should have thought more bt to represent them
than Jlr. Deimos; but they had another gentleman of-
fered to them of known soundness of priaciples, of as
sound au understanding and excellent talents at any to
be found in the kingdom. If, therefore, they now stif-
fer, let them hare the justice to recollect, that in reject-
jag Mr. Hohtarr, they neglected the best means
thii they thao bad of preventing their sufferings.
:.--When I have asked (for great has been sty sato-
nishmeit an the subject) how it could happen that
such a person as Mr. DUNDAS should be preferred
to such a person as Mr. Hahherr, the answer has
bees that the former was such a gentlemanly sort of a
man ! This might he every good reason for selecting a
wan to be marer of ceremonies or to be a Court-syco-
phant ; bat is a gentleman, io a person to take care of
the interests of plain and honest nee. what do you want
bet civility; but an absence of rudeness, bat plaits deal-
ing sad integrity; and, I must say, that to entitle • free-
holder to my most hearty contempt, eothing more can be
%anted than proof of the fact that he is capable of giving
his vote as the price of a compliment its a soft voice ac-
companied with a supple Scot chinas-like bow I—(Cheers.)
—[line he turned to the subject of the currency, and
stated the reasons which were stated to the farmers at
Andover, for believing that the Ministers would perm-
vere in their present coarse, and not repeal the Bill of
Mr. Pest. After urging the farmers either to quit their
farms as quickly as possible, or to bestir themselves in
order to effect a large redsetioe of tits toles, be reminded
theta of his opinion so long ago published relative to
this subject.] Bentham:l, lot me, for your sakes and not
far my own, take credit for what is due to me as to an
understanding of dais important subject. It is within your
recollection that the Parliament passed the Bill of Mr.
PAM with the full persuasion that it would produce,
comparatively, very little inconvenience to say one.—
Nevertheler s you know that it was really a Bill of Con-
fiscation; that it was a mealier,. which, if it bad bees
intended to produce roils, each as the world saw be-
fore, could out have heels are complete. Far be it
from me to accuse the Mielsters of the intentioe of
cluing this evil, they certainly intended no such thing;
but having done it, does it become us to say that they
were rise Indeed, they never could Wend, from the
very beginning of the war to do that which they have
finally done; to break up a whole race of farmers; to
snake those happy and tranquil abodes, the farm houses,
scenes of anxiety and of anguish such as no tongue can
describe, and such as to coaccire we must feel. They
never could hare intended to testified's, patrimony of
the bode land-holders eepeetially to those who live
upon theist of mosey. They sever could have in-
tended to ruin the borrower; W ruin the industrious,
to fatten the idle, to nullify the will of the dying, to set
broilers and sisters together by the ears in the division
Of property, to break all contrasts for time.
in short, to tear up society by the roots. They
never amid have intended to do all or any of them!
things. These things. however. they have done; amf
yet, the Bishop of Winchester applauds them for their
minium! lam not disposed open any occasion to inter-
fere with persons in this station of life but when a
Bishop chooses tr.lmeth a pamphlet, dsough he call
0,14 assault et't go to his clergy, be becomes an au-
thor, and challenges our commentary and criticism.
This Reverend person says, in the pamphlet to which I
allude, that our government, by its modem, prevented
this country from being ruined like Praises: and that
is very tree: ruined like France, indeed, because the
Preoas farmer has changed his coarse rags for • good fine
coat; because the farmers in France now prosper beyond
all example; anal because the farmers of England present
a contr4et when compared with those of France, which
it is truly lamentable to behold. It is very true
that the tithes have been preserved by the war ageism
France; awl if that be a proof of the wisdom of
the government, we must agree with the Bishop that
the government has been wise.—Apia. I sal.
however, that 1 impute not the evils that we endure to
the intention of the government. Ito the report upon
which they founded Mr. Panes Bill, we have a clear
proof that they did not intend to do what they have
done. I ustructed by Mr. BARING and Mr. RICARDO,
they thought that the prices of agricultural produce
would fall only about four and a half per cent. so that,
spa every hundred pounds worth of corn or of sheep,
there would be a fall of only four pounds ten shillings;
and, conseqnently, that iSouth-Down Ewe, which then
sold for fort y shillings, would in &tumuli for thirty-six.
flow suil.taken they were, epitomes, you know but too
well. Bow much better they ought to have been in-
formed upon such matters, you also well know; how
unfit they were to manage the affairs of the nation when
they could fill into such gross errors, and take them as
the basis of measures affecting the happiness of a whole
pc,op'e; am, perhaps,the safety of their sovereign's
throne, this also you trust well know; but still, something
infinitely worse than this remains to be told ; for. while
none of t twine:Hold see the errors upon which they were pro-
ceeding, and the terrible mischiefs with which those er-
rors sew fraught, there was one man who did see them
al!. Ile was indeed, in exile.; he had crossed the seas
to avoid :he consequence of their terrible hostility; bat,
foreseeing that some such one aaaaa would be proposed,'
he Lad, the year before, pointed out all the consequences
sad had caused his observations to be printed and to be
rend ler thew if they chose. The, momehat the Bill of
Mr. Kci. reached hilt, he islet not a moment in address-
leg to his Majesty himself, a paper, in which the cons*.
'locates were all portrayed with lines as enact and an
!curs as strong as they could be portrayed at this very
moment! cud, that nothing might be wanting to coon
plete this strange event, in less than two months
after this paper was published in London, the Par-
liament met and passed Acts, the principle object
of which was, to put • stop, for ever, to the
writings and publications of that very man I In
conclusion, gentlemen, let me trouble you with a few
mints with regard to the labourers. There seems to be
on foot, a grand scheme for making the farmer a AGA•
'Mee wherewith to squeeze something out of the la-
bourer to be given to the landlord and the tithe-owner.
I know that this is impossible. I know that nature, as
well as reason and justice say that this shall not be done.
The Bible, from one end to the other, inculcates the
maxim that those mho will sot work shalt sot eat.
—So says Moses, and so says St. Pant. There
are some among as who would reverse theme:intend say.
those who will sot work shall eat aid those wAts will
shall riot! Profoundly. ignorant mast those be, who
think that such a maxim can he enforced. Our new
minister, Mr. CANNING, leas appeared, roots many occa-
sions, to pride himself upon the want of knowledge as
to those that he would call low matters. But, it is time
for him now to inform himself with regard to them ; for,
if it do not require a greater mind, it is of far greater int-
portaace to a people. to trace out the path by which the
labonrer'sdioner find its way to the table of the sinecure
lord,than it is to 1 the totrigues of courts and to fix
loundaries to the extent of dominion. To the crop which

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the land produces the labs urer bed the drat claim. for It is
he that makes the crop. It is well knowo to you all,gen-
Orme., that you cannot live. mach tees carry on your
affairs amidst a race of starving labourers. You know
well that you can trust nothing in the Lands of a starv-
ing man ; you know well that crime does not apply itself
to acts necessary to the preservation of life. Glo.d, na-
ture, and the laws have said that man shall not die
of want in the midst of plenty of food. Look at the
state of the labourers in Ireland ; presented to us, per-
t/ape, with some colourings of exaggeration . • hut look
at tapir state; and then let me put it to you; letwie put
it home to the hearts of English farmsrs, whether they
would, if they could, live in comfort themselves, while
all around them were reduced to that state of misery
r Were I a farmer • were I poshest even to the very verge
of ruin, my labourers should share with me to the list, I
would pay my tradesmen in full; and as to the landlord
and tithe owner, they must. If they have the Heart to do
it, take the rest. lientlenseo. great numbers of persons
have thanked one personally for having been the cause
of p lug them from ruin: if to-day I should have
added only one to the number, the having occupied your
time so long would require no apology.