The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-08-26 00:00:00

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No• 4E04

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HOUSE OF LORDS. Fatmtv, Aear.rft4.•
(Examination of Pietro Pnrhi. enntintwil from the fint
edition of yestenhey's Slat( amen.)
A4k him whether lie ha• been asked at Milan what
he knew ?---Yes.

Who examined him there --rolotiel Browne.
What lawyer assisted him lawyer who is hue.
lie does not known his name.
IVould he know if I assisted him ?—lkes not know.
Did Mr. Powel assigt him ?—Yes.
Was Counsellor Cooke near do not know.
Was he regularly examined at that time ?—Yes.
Was his examination reduced to writing' ?—Yes.
And lie gave a full :termini of the rooms, and de-
scribed every thing as he did to-day i•--Wisat I hay•
said before I say now.

Was he examined since he came herr ?—I wa• on
the same bnsiness.

Dy whom ?—IS}• the same lawycr and yon (meaning.
me, the Interpreter).

When WAS that ":--On the second or third day after
Inv arrival.

Flow long was he here --Altont a fortnight.
Who brought hint here ":—Mr. Capper.

I snpposr he has received no money ?—I did not
wish for any money ; he oilere:l me some, and said take
this, alkd he L'aVe me !'4 NAllibleallS. and I I francs.
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Then true it is that he mis examined here and at
Milan, and his eaaininat!un reduced into writing

But it it nut true that the door of liergmni's room
opened into the dining-room":
The SOW 1a objected to the question
in that form.

Mr. IVlLLtams said, that he hail hear,' question/ in
that shape tire hundred tim.••, nay. he might mnltiply
that number by one hundred, an.l he never heard an
obiection made to Sisetil.

The 1011111 PI N I'ELLIOR desired Counsel to state
the question he meant to put.
Mr. WILLI t>ts put the question—ls it not true that
the door /4 the room in mt liereausi slept entered
into the tlinie.g-roont?
The Somerton-tics:En mt. saii this was an inference
put in the shape of a tpt...,iott.
The Lout) that in a ero‘s-el-
amination a question may hr put in the shape of an
assertion, but care should he taken not to assume any
thing which the witness lia.l nut said.
Lord Lirattroot. objected to any assertion being
taken for cr.titted, as haviur fallen from the witness,
they should see what were his assertions on the nil-
' Dates:'

Mr. WILLIAM( sai I he hail, with some labour, at the
expence, he feared, of their Lordship's time, but not ho
hoped some effect, obtained from the witness
that he had been examined abroad, and had been exa-
mined here since his arrival, he uas desirous to point
their attention to the wittieNs whets he stated that the
door of liercaturs room led not into the dining room
but into the room occupied by his sister, the Countess
of Oltli, in order to skew that he must have deviated on
bis examination.hefore their Lordships, from the depo-
sitions he had fortuerly mad? Nthis was manifest, because
the goes: ion was put as a leading question to the witness
by the Solicitor-lieneral.
The SOLICITORMENIIIIAL sill that the seeming con-
tradiction arose nut of a mistake of Isis in patting the
question, the paper before him, containing the exami-
nation of the witness, exactly corresponded with the
answer of the witness before their Lordships.
'flit, Lonn Fit tNyEt.t.ust said, the Ipiestion was a !net-
ter of arAnutent, but not of evidence.
Mr. fl iLtaasts rem

The fart in that the door of Remand tli.l not open
into the ilininx-rnoin, hnt int.. the bci!•roont of his
sister, the It:mantes.; of Oltli ?--Ves.

Will hr state the names of the party that arrived be-
fore the Princess of Wales is not possible fur me
to remember ; there was one person of the name of
Pellet, a merchant, of Neufchatel.

Ask him who composed the party that came after
the Princess of Wales ?—ltriposible fur me to remem-
ber ; I cannot remember ; if I ivere at home there is
a book in which the mimes of all the persons who
arrived are entered ; I have not that hnok here.
Ask him whether the Princess of Wales was there
during *Sunday ?—1 do nut remember.

Then be does not remember whether she was there
on a Sunday, the day she came, or the dad• she went
--I do not remember.
Does he remember her tieing tt the Grand Hotel
more than once :----That was the first time.
Was she ever there since ?—No.
Re-examined by the Some' row-(as:EltAL.
Witness mentioned there was a female in the house
of the name of Maria, where is •he now is re-
ported she is gout. to Jerusalem.
Witness mention: •l there was a person in the house
of the name of Oesaia. Does he know where he is ?- -
I do not know.

How long is it since you have seen him ?---Three
years ago.
Ask witness did he ever see this Eentl:•man, (point-
ing to Mr. Monte, solicitor to the Crown) exa-
mined me.

Did he take down in writing the examination ?—I
think so.

How long has witness been absent from Trieste?—
He left Trieste on the 2sth June.

Ask witness whether, by his absence from his busi-
ness, he sustains any loss ?—Cousiderable loos.
Is that loss more than P 5 Napoleons and I I francs ?
I wonld derive more profit in my own house.
Witness said the door was covered with canvas,
how did he see into the dining-room ?--He said he
could see through the key-hole.
Question from a Peer.—Did the Countess of Oldi's
bed appear to be slept in every night?--Nobody could
sleep in that boil, because it was too small.
Whet, did the Countess of ttldi sleep'? —She slept
in No. 3.

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• Did the bed in No. 3 appear to have been slept in
*very night ?--It
Dill the bed in No. I appear to have been slept in
livery night:---Yes, there was a boy and a girl.
Then Bergatui's bed war the. only one that appeared
not to have been slept in during the Princess's residence
at your inn ?—There was never any one.
The same question was put ag.iin as the witness
seemed not to have understood it. The only one, be-
cause the sheets were taken away.
Was there any appearance of any one having slept in
Berganirs room i—lt is possible there may have been ;
as he went to make his toilette ;I believe there might be.
From a Petra.—Are you in the habit of looking at the
' apartments of the other guests, in the same way as at
those of the Princess of Wales ?—Yes.

Lord LivaneooL---Witneqa rail, the room door
was covered with canvas, but that he looked through
the key-hole. 1 wish to know whether the key-hole
was left uncovered ?--There was a small hole in the
canvas.

Could that bole be seen from the dining-room:--
Yes, very well.
Did it appear like a key-hole, or merely a hole
in the canvas from the dining-room ?---It was smaller
than a key-hole.
How long was he waiter at the great Hotel at
Trieste ?----From the moment it was opened, now nine
year..

Here the wham produced a key, and ‘4,1, it w.
about half the size if this.

Was there a key-hole in )he canvas ?--Yes.
Loan tlaay.--In what manner did the canvas ap-
pear over time door. Was it merely hanging loose, .or
did the hole appear to have been purposely for a key-
hole ?--It appeared to Isar, been a key-hole.
By the Martinis of LiNsnowst.—Was this door used
on particular occasions only or alwa7: ?—When I
wanted to serve any thing at particular hours, I bo►Led
through the key-hole to be ready to serve.
Did witness enter on any particular services through
this door or go round lo the other door ?—S Aiac.s
through one, sometimes through' the other.
Had heever made me of it during the six days that
the Princess was at the inn ?—lle hid no need to do so.

By Earl listosvENna.—ls the rest of the room covect.l
with canvas as veil as the ilo it ?-41nly mtr door.
Earl of DSRLINIITON.--W:l3t is the thickness of the
door ?—,Not an inch ; as thick as my annuli.
Did the door open into the aallr a "wager or into
the cabinet ?—lnto the 'Elle a roaa9Arer.
Loan CtiaNcts.toa.--.11" hen the witness spok• a
while ago of a law-snit, I wish to know slie.lier he
spoke with reference to this trial or any other ?
Here the passag, in the evidence was read.
Lose Cusses:l.:mtg.—Ask the witness o law-
' salt he meant ?—1 hare ;riven in a meni..rial tor lino-
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AR*" "ithr WPM ethos inuksomers, soil I Jo not k now
whether I shall sum., I, or whether some more for-
tunate person may obtain it.
What does he nir,tn by the word protertion ?--Ilr
mentioned that word because some persons acilitaintril
with the innkeeper endeasonred to get it t • him.
lly the Earl of ROSLIIIKRIT.—The wane- s said he
expressed a wish not to take the money alt. tad to him
fur a remuneration—Why thil he say so
It was u:jertesl that the witness hail not expressed
wish : be had only said he wished fur Hone.

Earl of HOSZIIICI:KT.—%VIsy did the ti Hirss %%kis not
to take the i• Napoleons, II fraues ?—Becansr hr had
*inir of his own

If Iliercami did not sleep in hitt own hid, in ►rhat
did he /deep —The witness said he suspected, awl was
proceeding., ►Then he ►rrs stopped.
The Noble Lord repeated the yrtestion.—llad he re:t-
oots to know.

The Earl of Ltvritroot. said, that after the exasninition
that ha•l passed, it was obvious that ally way this filleg-
tion might he put, it was not a proper one. It was
accordingly wiholrawo.
Lord ELLasiaosuvon.—lllow were the w:tl!s of the
salle-q-mamrer r.overe.l ?—They were paints d.
Was the secret door also painttrl ?—Ves.
Was it painted of the same colour
Hall it been painted at the sante time ?—Yea.
Earl of Ltxmatea.----Was the door the It, 2ltt Of au
ordinary door, or as high a• the ceiling'---:tore tite
witness said it was sontet!iing higher thao his bead.
Here witness was asked was the r.tuvas nailed all
round the room only round the door.
A Peer requested to have that part of the 'violence
read that referred to the Countess of Oltli's hell. Ar.
corolingly, it Was done. The answer the witness had
previously gi• en being read, (namely, that the
Countess of Ololi's bed was •o small, that no ome
could sleep in it) theft said the Peer, then in point 4.1.
fact, the only apartment oetweete the dieing-ro.otst and
itergasni's was uaocrupied. Previous to the
arrival of the Princess of %Vales, olid any nth sal
person give orders for aparattents for the
Princess of Wales.
Was this person in the habit of gi vi order:
Did he ever give orders fur a;oartments before tor
since ?--:No.
here the witness was ordered to withdraw.

Lord Mgivti.t.ts obtained the pernii..ion of the
[louse, the Counsel At the Bar consenting- o both
sides, to iliApenle with the attendance of
Pechell and Briggs on the House until Thursd.9
next.

Bmtn tItA CRILPAIS, an interesting looking girl, si-;in
next put to the Dar. She stated herself to he a wither
of l'arlsruhe, in liermany, and was chamhermai.l at
the Inn of the post at that place, to which h. r Royal
Highness the Princess of Wales swiped In the course
of her tour in that part of Europe for a period of s
days.

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Did she remrtuber on arty evening flaring the Prin-
cess's stay at the inn having occasion to go into Nu. IY
to carry some water there r—Tes.

Ahem( what time in the evening. according to wit-
ne.o's recollection ?—Perhaps between seven and eight
o'clock.

Mr. I:moralism called upon the Interpreter to repeat
all that the witness stated; fur in the last aaswer there
was an omission.
The LOUD CAA MCCIAOII desired that the lateepreter
should repeat to the House every word which the wit-
tress uttered.
The Interpreter repeated the gnestio.), and witness

answered,

that she rem

time of her

and eight ii
Hid site I

—No ; she
Upon cam
any persons
Who were

IVitere was
Ile was in

Where was
the bed.
Did the
sitting on the
Yes, she was

Coul.l the
on or off :3-

she entered

ish ice.-
Where did
room she sa►

and when shi
Did the
the Princess
Yes. Isis arta
seen.

Could she
arms was from
he wore ?—!"
not observe
What did
room ?—The
Did the
the room AI
SitLitiOn ?
Did the
up before si
ness's presence she jumped up
The Interpreter stated, upon some obiervation bei-x
made beside him, as we conk/ utelersta.ol, 0,4 tltey-
teral translation of the worls used by the, wanes' tans
"she trot up or she arose...
Mr. Iluot•tatam observed that the word‘ used by the
wide-: bore a different interpretation from that sta:ed
by the Interpreter.
'Cite Limo UtIA Nt ELLIM vitt& rea, at the soft:ration
of Noble Loris, if there were two sworn Inteepreter..?

Mr. 1111101'1111tm.—This Gentleman 13 1:0t 413 Inter-
preter, tours is not vet come.
A inorniur of esapproltation here pin throas,h the
House, and several Lords ultscrcesl on the lnelist le..ty
of any Interpreter to interfere who was nut sw.srn.

Mr. Bum 4:DAIL—This Gentleman in :tut Ipwr as al
interpreter ; he stands here as any ut your Lordsi,i;t,
might, ten,leriux his services gratnituasly ;II the Lt..
nence of nUt Interpreter.
Several Pecks remarked on the irregnlarify of -11.'N
proceeding.
Mr. It toeansu--1 hope yowl. Lord,iiips will d ,
the justice terltilovr, that lee intitmarints is none
totes; bat originated with the Atternertiewerst. yu
is pleased to quarrel with his own interpreter and
becatine he does not give an interpretation which :nits
his porpo,,e, he orders him to give another.

he .11'103Ne (-I; gsmit am es :snti;ms as any
Noble Lord, or as my Learo••d Priem! Isiussalleas
that the interpretation should be correct and faithfully
reolieresl, and have nu particninr purpope in view, ;:s
is imputed to me. lam here to do lily dory, and til
.10 it Clitlifilily anal limiest.; and sh,,etlii I 'hint(: it
necessary to interpose respecting the interprrtvti•.m, I
trust, I shall hare your Lord•hips' indulgent e. An I
I huuld like to know it hat the Learned liectleitian
wins ht• these frequent imputations which be choose,
to throw upon me c •
Mr. 111titL.:11.431.—.-1 will at a proper time give a full
explanation of tlis.e interpretations, as the loaned
ttesitleas.in terms them : lint in the mean tinsel shall
not shrink from any of these obsery width In the
diselsa..ze of my duty at this Par it may be••ome neces-
cats to mice. l still a.si•it.ain, that the whole of ii,is
in:erruption is cau.a at I y him ; tee all lucre, heard him
object t•, the iat••r,oret•caun. Ilia motives fur ,k)
might be the best in the world for an•;ht l me u
say : I don't impeach them, hut I atfirai the fart.
The ATIIIIINEV-Uns zit t..—Then why did he sat,
the answer didn't suit my purl ?
Mr. isaot•cnast.-1 repeat, without itapnting any
barns, that the answer slid not suit Lira, or he would
suit have objected to it. WlLat his purpose is, he
hest knows ; hut it dues not follow, that because he
has one, it must be a bad one.

The liarytis of Hccuixtataw said, Hist from what
ha.l taken place at the liar the House should take mea-
sures to prevent any Learned Counsel from casting; im-
putation.. in future itpon other l'onnwl, rhose
were a• pore as his own.
Carl tics cv declared that he shonld be sorry to wit-
n-ss any angry controversy among the Counsel at the
H tr, but he must tlepreAte any such restrictions a, hal
been just proposed, observing, that it would he pet
uttfaie to press the present case as any reason for that
restriction. For the expression that a ',ardent tr answer
did not snit the purpose of a Counsel, really did air !Drell
and imputation of improper 'motive. Hut he hoped that t e
cu:itv,l on both sides would be found throughout :v
prearr rt.. their temper.
tries of Go on, go on !"
The Logo CIIINCIELLOR having called upon the In-
terpreter to give a literal translation of the wino,
last .ittswer, he said that it meant .he (the Princes
at tier height."
Examination was resumed.

I)iii the wittiest wean Heat vrbes are came into eh••
room the Princess jumped up

31r. ituncutiAX objected to this as a leading qui..tint.
What did the Princess do upon witness's cominK int.k
the room ?—The Interpreter said that the witnr .'c
answer. he understood to hr, that the Prince -% w..'
frightened, that she had jumped up, or had ari,!r.
flie Loan I.2nA:vcri.i,ou de,ired to know the It :erpre-
ter's literal construction of thr word which he conceived
to mean jump np.
The Interpreter replied that this word meant jimped -
up, Of got up.
Mr. ituocanam proposed that the witwen
literal
translation of this word should be inserted* imp is Mutes
of evidence--(Cries of go on, go on).
Exapination restmsg. •, •
(Nil the Princess get op Of jump op trilipisior leraviee
of the witness?—When sire etvtei id the go: op
and not before.
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it appeared as before that she could not te!!, )
ould not remember, bet that 'he believod •1- ' I •
r entering the room No. It was between t,ivAl )
in the evening. v 1 •
recollect where the Princess dined that i'.av ? . ... I
e did not recollect.
arrying water into No. 14, did the witness • e .•
ss in the room ?—Yes.
ire they ?—ilergansi and the Princess.
was Bergawi at the time she entered thefoori
bed. al
was the Princess at the time?—She had sat On
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witness mean to say, that the Princess Wl3 i.
the bed at the time she entered the room e—
ras sitting on the bed.
'se witness see whether Berruni had his clott,is
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:3--This she could not see; hilt at the femme -...1
d the room, she saw that Bergami's alums writ 4..
lid she tee the arms ?—When she entered oh,. • /
saw Bergami's arm round the Princess's acct,. ,
she entered the Princess let the arm fall.
witness mean that Bergami's arm was twin.,
ss's neck at the time she entered the root., 1--- 4 t.
tin was round the Princess's neck as sin. 114.1 .
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he discover whether the white of Bergami's i
from Isis shirt, or from any other dr..... sibl:ls
—She could nut tell, as in the moment dee taA e
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id the Princess do upon witness's evitering the .
'he Princesc.jamped up and aas trigliirsted.. ,
e Princess jump up on wivness's coining ion • I
and discovering her 1tir....1 Highness iu that
—Yes, she then had jt I
oopl up. ;
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witness me.n that tile Princess bad junr.ed
she carne into the room, or that in Use -....t-

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