The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-05-16 00:00:00

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they had same LIAM/. or another to animadvertHe denied the imputation that Ministers did not tl
as deeply as any in that House fair the itistrte•,, ,
Scotland. 'll.e Snitch peer were too enlighten -at 3
l'aCit.• any thing lint sympat:ay le. their mi:erit.,.
then proceeded to show that it was usnal. in Joe of
this description, to have the Iteport of the Commission
referred to the antlior,ties belenging to the Cowl. isle,
gave effect to it by their Berra es, and at their d:o re.
tiun. This waa the euurse now followed, and it vi;
the coo:se Oda h h. intended to propose, and not to
ag.eta to hang up the course of :I,e Court in a new „LI
fantastical state, with four Judges instead of five. I iet
Noble Lo.il then mused, as an anientlii rot, the Itt •
vio:is question.
Mr. TIERNEY began by noticing the complaint ai f
the Nettle 1.0r.1, that hope:At:ons had been urged
against Ministers 4 their disinetination to re:renal,
meat. The Noble Lord hail said that injustice ha:l
hail been done to Ministers by son:e Members not be•
tiering their professions of a detertninsiticon to economy.
as Bo help me Hod," said the Bight Hon. tientlem.:ll,
" I do not believe their professiotes; mar do I think
that any real economy is ever to be expected from
them." He was of opinion that all their attention was
directed to the nusintainiug of their p.atrouage, anu
that they were now reduced to that situation, that they
could not afford to lose the third of a fifth Baron t:f
the Exchequer.—(A laugb.)--When a prnpositicn
was mad* fur the reduction of any useless office, the
reply was, " No, It breaks in on the establishment."
The Noble Lurd and the Learned Lord beside
differed materially in their views upon this sebjeet.
The latter came down, anal, like a god Scatchma:,,
maintained that fire was the good o:41 Scotch number,
that lie would have 5 Judges, and wanted no inquiry. The
Noble Lord, hawever, was willing to grant intteire. Why
was not this inquiry granted befor.• ? Who wouhl
think of proposing an inquiry after the harm was
done. He (Mr. Tierney) contended that the
sinners hail peremptorily declared their opinions to he
against the appointment of a fifth Baron ; and re:.d
an extract from' the Report, in which he said that
peremptory opinion was expre-.,ed. It was whiuoic:3
enough, however, that the supporter of the nutoLer
tire should he the person to umke a reference front the
opinion of five to the authority of four. It might he
true that an Act of Anne appointed tire Barnes; but
was no regard to be paid to the difference of times and
circumstances, which might make the appeintment if
those Judges necessary in one rase, and cs,•leas is
another. Notwithstanding the rhetoric of the Noble
Lord, he (Mr. 'I honey) could not lint think the ap-
pointment a very extraordinary one. Wit terer might
be the merits and various qualifications of Mr. Adana
or Sir P. Murray (one of whom was, however, beter
capable of filling the situation than the utter), he utu-t
be attuned to designate the transaction by stem which,
although opprobrious, was established Paliamentary
language, and call it a plain, downright, nntoptirte
cal job.--(tiear, hear ! anal laughter )—lf the slightest
attention was to be paid by Ministers to eronorny or
decorum, the public had a right to expe r, in this in-
stance at least, a real reduction. As to the inquiry
upon which the Noble Lord laid so much stress, it
was not called for ; enough was already known upon
the subject. The whole argument of the Noble Lard
was indeed manly, as it went to say, that the question
must he passed by, or the Government embarrassed ;
but there was one point worth observing upon. The
Noble Lord h.,s spoken of the inconvenience likely to
arise from the equality of votes in a division of the
Collet in case the tiwnher of Bantus were lour, which
inconvenience could not take piece under the present
arrangement; but sorely the number which answered
for the business of the 'Exchequer ha Enttlaad might
satisfy Scotland. Where were the very important ques-
tions ever mooted in the Scotch Exchequer? More nu-
merous and snore complicated questions were disposed
of in the English Court of Exchequer, yet four Batons
were stifficient here. The latter was also a Court of
Equity and a Court of Common 14:13% Rut if there
dial happen to arise a question in the Scotch Excite-
tiller which divided the nut. Barons, nothing could
be more easilit rentedi, al. A Bill might be passed
to enable Mr. ttttt issioner Adam to give a call-
ing vote in the ExCliequer Court ; he would have time
to do so, and some thousands would be saved yeariy
to the nation ; but the pl dn fart sees, that the prin-
ciple of rarenehment was nut to he tol-rated, and the
House was to be gulled by a pretence of import
herr was the report of the Commissioners, which
afforded snlficient ieformation for the Hostas to proceed
upon in abolishing this u.eless and lurreiive appoint-
ment. If a new inquiry were to b.. entered upon, the
procuring of witnesses from Sco laud, and all the
other causes of delay, could allow nothing to Wilms*
in this Sessiom The questi in was. as the Noble
Lord had narrowed it, simply referable to the iui-
berrassm..nt of Ministers. It was not the suitors who
were to be enibarraased by the abolition of this piste,
nor the business of the Courfk which was to be na-
ve led ; but it was the tioveinment that found itself
involved hat a'l the difficulties. ..nisiv P. Sway we*
nut appoieted, Ilovernment must Ilse souse votes.. No
doubt Ise might be a deserving
..but he certainly
played his game to advantage. dons were
powerful; he was a person u hose identity was riosell
blended with that others. He might say, as a We-
ber standing upon similar pretensions aid in Me Irish
House of Commoas, " ti'e are five of us.--(A
That, howevet, (said M r.T.) was before the cisioa•—•
(A Lugh )_-The fact was, that the Noble Lor.l
only acting in the support of a eystem, There were
diferent departments ; ea. b had its owl patronsac
the convention was, that eaels was to do as be plea
in his own ; if the Noble Lord showed a diiTe ant
spirit from what he had just then evinced. a 1i.1311"1
say, what right has the Noble Lard to interfere
what is ilo.m in Sc.olaosi ? Another might says who_
right maid he hare for interference in the Treason ?
A third might snake the same o:, thin on the de-..
indolent of the Aihniralty. Now, as to what the No-
ble Lord had sdd of the opi&on of the Chief Leon
Sheppard in this e..se—although he (Mr. Tit racy) LA
a great respect far the uuderstandiug • f that tie.utle-
mati, who was ouce so great an ornament to that tla.s.c- -
yet he could not believe that he knew the beerier of
this subject ; lie went to Scotland to leers thee titter.
not to teach them ; and uuw all at once the o
was to be totaled into the master. But, then, unbar;
Lord Advocate ea Wormed Scotch Lawyer : ha