The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-09 00:00:00

PRICR SEVEN PENcr.

Do you recollect wheilica :here was not near the fo
of the stairs a communication to the presage yens lola
mentioned?—To the best of my recollection I t :in
there was, but I am not certain. •
The Soled tuR-41b,NERAL now said that be had linis'is
eel his cross-examine:tote and Mr. Tindal said be di
no! think it necessary u. re-examine him.
The st itness was then ordered to withdraw, bet was
toll not to go awar.
Lord KkARINI: helped their Lordships'• attention to•
that port of the evident...of Madam Dement which he woe
about to bring under their notice. His Lordship the.
referred to tier eruss-exami nation of Demons, in whirls
she swore that on tie !lie lets to which she wee particle-
:arty questieneel, she had passed ate whole iv*Pa,h 'twit
in her own room °Tee,. flies Lordship then moved, that
the last witness shook' be cii.e I back, aril asked, w 11•••
ther he hail pelmet any .'r either of the nights iii qrti-
lion in Aludemoiseqe.hemones 144-'OO.ll.
The SOLI. ITOR-lit:N!'elt. opposed the quesitior.—ll •
should fir the purpo• • of sheet ing tine this question: we.
inadmissible state a few propositions which be appre-
hended would not be I•outro‘erted.• nisi, be coulee/sea,
that the witness Dement rensld net be asked whether
such a man had slept with lire ; sestlar ennieruled that
if she were asked the question, It wash! he competent
in her to reline to answer it : mid thirdly, lee confer:dna
that lend she unstirred it in the negative, no *eidetic"
could lie admittea to contradict her. If in these pro-
positions I.e teas correct, then it would follow as a coe-
dit...on' that the question proposed by the Noble Lord
emild ma be ;mi, and that their Lordships would net
setter that to he stone indirectly, which could not be donee
directly. Ile was sure the Noble lewd st Gehl compel hint
to admit that his coarse' was to iettempt to do tined-
touchy that which he +verb! nut he able to do straight•
forward. Referring their Lordships again to their pre-
positions with which lie set out, and which le s
would ina'esielit were perfi•etly incontrovertible, Ice vront•l
most respectfully, ye; most confidently object to tete
question. Ile Lnew that his opposition bruhglit hies
agaicst the most splendid talents, the largest ex;wrience
and Most /10114/11eab'e slevelopement of that eeperieeeee
vet so assured he was that his of iection we' in law well
inunded, that he would here snake his stand eel wit'a
submissive confidence he begged to resist the putt;rig
the iceestion.
Lord liesetxt: said that the Solieiter-ilentrai in Lis
resistaere to tier puling this question hail set out wita
three propositions, whie/s he assneseel as having been
admitted, and upon these he had built the whole of his
areunient. Now he (Lord Erskine) slid not admit all
the propositions an very confidently adrani•ed, if
hr succeeded in entnbatting either of them, the whos'e of
the Learned Solicitor's argument would fell to the
ground. Ile (Lord K.) wergild contend Coat the tincsilaet
might properly be put to a witness in the situa:ian of
Demon:, and he itituittesl that she might it AO pies set
refuse to answer it. Hut lie con:ended that upon 0, et
refusal it was competent in the persons who sought its
destroy her credit to call evidence to prove the fate to
which she refused to answer. " I declare," said Lora
grshine " upon toy honour that in the time of the late
Lord lillentiorougt, with whorls I was on terms or
friendly intimacy, I was comnsel in. a cause in which I
put e question similar to the one I now eroposed.
'leis r
iineetiim war objected to, and the ob)ectiou allured. t .
tendered a hill of exception to the opinion tel the le:creel
Judge. and the only reason why the ev•eptions were not
argued was the circumstance it( *c not iseieg of
sudicient consequence ; but I was so impressed with
the race importance. of the miestion that I assem-
bled the principal barristers of the slaf and Tr-
corded, my reason for not pressing the Bill of Exc.).-
Cons ; mei I now solemnly declare, that if this
examination he not permitted, then there is an eisl of
the safety of every man in the kingdom, end in
Ilion, an end to every appeurance of jnstice. I hid se-
verel conversations with the great Judge I have mew-
tioned, on the subject of my Bill of Exceptions. in the
case I hare stated; and I pat this case to his leordelcip.
Suppose a wretch were to :melee poor Lordship of sere •
abominable cime, and you were to do cite the hononr to
trust me with pow defence ; seppose, then, the niis-
errant who accused yogi were to get into the witness
box, and I recognized I • as a man whom I had prose-
cuteal to conviction, for a transporieble offence, and eh*
had returned from that transportation before the re I co
the limited petite! : according' to your Lordship's law,
I could not ask this fellow any quest' tending In Ai..
rreflit him; amt I mould not "all a wit ei to prom that
to which lie bad been asked ; and von, my Lord, remit
he convicted.- " I entreat," my Lords, reentned Lord
rrekine, "to consider that Mr. Brougham was pet-
mined to put to !lemma the very tpiestions, mit of
which my proposed question arises, and that lie was not
opposed in doing so. I entreat your Lordships not to
subvert the very first priewiples of j, sire, which will he
snlivertetl, if you resist the petting this question."
Lord Fasetna. efter some discussioe, modified the euex-
film as followe
Where did {-01 sleep etering the time seen were el the
house of the Queen at Naples t—ln a small room next to the
Don, Keppel Craven's.
Did Alm steep In that room daring the whole of every
night whist Fos were there—Peery night. after I went to
best. I went to bed late, at twelve or one rune o'clock.
Did you ever lesiva )our bet after the time?—\o.
After the three nights to which 0.1 have elluiled, where
you took Indeinge, did you ever sleep in that bonus'—Ne-
ver is thu tatieee's house.
fly Lord LAVIOSIIDALE.—How long have you been in the
service of the lion. keppel Crayeal--Six years.
Where ,lid you first enter his leeriest—At Ilrandenhureh
House at linm,e
Had you ever been abroad before •
Do you recollect the year or month when you entered this
service ?—1 do not.
Are you turn that It is six years ago?-1 eat sore. It is
inewly seism.
Could von speak French or Italian at that time could
speak French little, but no Italian.
Could etc speak French sufficiently to understand, or be
understood !—I could.
Were you at Yeast° with the lion. Keppel Creven sbowt
a year ago ?—Yes, it is about fifteen Inontlis.in•-...
Do you recollect Bergeeui and the Prineese coming there?
—Yes.
Were you in the room when Bergamirame to Mr. Crnven 4
11011. W 1.--i showed him into the room myself.
Did he shake hands with you as an old friend t—lle spnee
to rat in coming up stairs.
Did he shake heads as en old friend?—lie embraced ins
hand as he was going up stairs.
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TheJrulges here retrirned, and the Lord Chief Jeetii • •
Abbott delivered their onanianons opinion la the nega-
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his Learned eelleegnee, that open any grave and seriods