The Statesman.
London, England, 1813-11-09 00:00:00

WAR TWPARTMENT. Nov. 9, ISM

" Lnrd pATHURST presents his compliments to the
Loin M tifoft, and has the satisfaction to acquaint
his Lordship, that Lord A. HILL is arrived with dis-
patches, dated Vora, Nov. 1, announcing the sur-
render, on the preceding day, by capitulation, of
the fortress of Pamplona.
(A Tait Copy.) " (3F.0. SCHOLEY, Mayor.
Monyirorhouse, Nov. 9, boa-past eight. A. M.

The Park and Tower guns were fired upon the
glad occasion. Thus a force of at least 15,000 men
is rendered disposable, for any operation on the
other side of the Pyrenees, or elsewhere. The fol-
lowing Extraordinary Gazette was also published on
this account, from which it will be observed, that
although the Commander of the place refused to sur-
render it on being considered prisoners of war, yet
that he slid afterwards, on the same day, give it up
on tholie conditions: the terms of the capitulation at
full, hoverer, are yet to be learnt.

QNpON GAZETTE EXT4AORDINJAY,

TLJESDAX, Nor. 9.

WAR DEPARTMENT.
Vowning:street, Nov. 0, 18,13.
Lord Arthur Hill has this morning arrived with
slisratches from Field-Marshal the Marquis of Wel-
putoot to Earl Bathurst, dated Vera, November 1,
el which the following are eatracts:—

Vera, Bev. l, 103.
Natibilig of ;seportance has oceurred,ie the Hoe
glace aislressed yoer Lordship last.
The enemy's garrison of Pamplona made propo-
ow, to Don Carlos D'Espana to surreuder the place
on 0 R gfith pf October, on conflition, first, that
they s, meld be allowed to march to France with six
pinee6 or Llippon ; secondly, that they should be
allewed to march to France, under an 'engagement
not Ip serve against the Allies for a year and a day.
Both these runditioes were rejected by Don Carlos
WEspalta, and they were told that he hail orders not
to give them a rliiitalstion on only terms excepting
that they should be prisoners of war; to which they
declared they woeld neyer samolt,

vers. •Vey. 1, pa 3.

Since I wrote to your Lot'slitdp this morning, Ii
rare rocPived a letter, of which I enslose a copy,
from Mariam! Del Campo Don (brio, D'Espana, in
w'nich be announces the surrender by capitulation of
she fortress of Pamplona, the garrison being prison-
prs of war ; upon which event I beg leave to con-
gcatulsto your Lordship.
I cannot sufapiontly applaud the conduct of Don
400, D'EsPnim• that or the troops under his
plitnmand, during tho period that he has conimanded
lilockatlet that is since the beginning of August-
IQ every Sortie which the onatuy have mode, they
with !off and the/ !littoral and
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conducted themselves wall. Don
was severely wounded on do 10th of
as reported in my dispatch of the
month, but having reported that ha
continue to perform his duty, .1 considered
justice to allow him to continue in a
which he had to that moment performed ,
so satisfactory a manner; and 1 Din happy
fallen to his lot to be the instrument of reetering to
the Spanish Monarchy so important a fortress as Pans•
plena,
Not having yet received the-detail of the terms of
the capitulation, I must delay to forward them till the
next occasion.

site. We shall publish
The Mail has also brew&
Gibraltar, dated at 1111114-
• giving a favourable esimisiot,
visited our #t)4o4ilt.tb4dif
coif* or. iltSseendlogov
Guru Sstifet) .ocingsg do,
;aidilendiek's
'Oestnntrso Oct. ranch still occupy
their entrenched camp in front of St. Jean de Las.
Ocrgsss 114."-Bayonen has been declared in
pate of siege. • •
Our troops eccipy thrums positions which they
did on the night of tholth ; they are animated with
the best. spirit, and an=ions for orders' to advatie:,

Sault is still at Bayonne, where he has reedited
some reinforcements of conscripts.
SArriusio, Ocr. ?I.—Austria has decorated with
the Grand Cross of Marla Theresa, the immortal
Duke of Ciudad lindrige.

[THOM TRH ItHelso or TNT 11TH OCT..] r
The followt4 is an account of the persons who
died in Cadiz, on the first eight days of October,
in the yam 1809, J.,810,• 181 1, 18121 1815
Yam. • 4416• do. do. do. ,
,
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r . 2 13 .1-1
4 • ithi at 9 • Ij* it 4(
21 3 2C
-• 9 -* • • '26 8 13 14
4 8 23 6 7 14
5 3 # 99 4 5 .14
6 4' 20 4 13 12
7 4 511 6 7 23
4 26 12 19 24

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IMPERUL PARLIAMENT.
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literuss OF LORDS, Hopi. I. •
The Hama met at ten o'sloek in the opening, to peom,A
with judicial badness. Io manse& from the Courtofseke-04,
Bentiaod. " Smith T. Rajloadeat did oee a,.
pear—Jodgmeat reversed. Ina Writ of Error from the Court is of King's Wadi, labablatato of the West Ridior del;
Cowl of York, v. the King." Mr. Lambe:ad Mr. grade-CI
were beard for the Pl:pieties in Error, aid Ma
r. Topple& "1
ne. Holroyd, for the Prosecutor Respondent—.Ndr
af.
Owed. la as appeal from the Court of Session in :trlism!
" WDenald v. M,Ltheald," Sir 8. amity and. Mr.oi New;
ante beard for the Appellant, and Mr. Ai*eripsthyy. end mi
Adam, Jun. for the Respondent—Jodgmeat on Wednesday..
TREATIES WITH THE .
The Rail of LIVERPOOL laid in the Table, by capmeme
of the Prince Regent, (*nolo CoaventiEdranthited boweei,
this country and oar Allies. There were two supplementoT
Coerced/km .concluded with the Emperor of Rishpia and tie King of Prussia (for the fhiSlapent or ottjectsreferred is in the
fernier Treaties), of which the ratifications had not vet i
exchanged, but fordo coevadepthe of the House with refer-
ence to the details, be /Mild more an humble Addres to the
Prince Rism, praying his Rasa! Brea to order the sub.
Ranee of Iwo Conventlooto be id before the Howe,
This Motion was agreed to.
In mower to si question from LordKOLLA 0, the Earl at
LIVERPOOL menticned, that the Convection with the En,.
perm. of Austria was not in a state 0 be laid before the lieu;
it sot baying yet been ratified.
vicroitiss AF THE PYRENEES.—CAPTCLIE or
ST. SEBASTIAN, tire. •
Earl BATHURST observed, that when be last had
the honour of addressing the House, it was on the
glorious victory gained by the Marquis of Welling.
tonal Vittoria, and the coneequences he then antici.
Fated from the splendid result of that action had bap,
'pity been verified. Bonaparte ue, sooner heard of
Out army having passed thirgbro, than he appointed
Soalt, with extraordinary powers,' as Lieutenant
d'EMpereur, and that Marshal having been rein.
forted by the division under Clausel, and other
troops, advanced on the 25th of July, for the pur.
'pose of driving us from our positions. His -Lord-
ship then proceeded shortly to detail the operations
up to the 30th, when the French were .completely
repulsed, and from the effects of which they nete
;unable to recover. Souk had the most sanguine ex.
pecytions not oily of relieving Pamplona and St.
Sehasfiaii, but also of.driving our army across the
Ebro j but the defeat ite.theeesperienced not only
cemipletely`frUstradid all hfs_projects, but the French
anal fir ,InPr-e-cfor ised than even by
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Iny_aas Amp•
SOrrrlt I
-
e lattleof Vittoria Hie Linttskip then adverted
.tdibi.tiptore of St. Selmettan, and took the ()ppm,.
I.togity of noticing a fool calumny Drip our truops
..bad

*et, been published in the Spaitisis papers, charg.
ing them. with committing the grossest outrages upon
the inhabitants of the town. This calumny, which
was to be attributed to French partisans in Spain,
who circulated these libels upon the specious pre-
.Sence - of - :selListebsyr t foreign interference, was
wholly false. That some etcenes might be corn.
witted in a town taken by storm, after a most ob.
stinatedefenoe, might readily be imagined ; but no
one could for a moment believe, that the deliberate
cruelties, in -this publication stated to hare been
practised, - had been committed by our troops.
—Sir Thomas Graham was on the spot at the
81,(0713118 neighbourhood for nearly a month
afterwards, afillosaipisiut,,Etat.tveywas made to
of St. Sebastian, or by the
inhabitants, of any outrages haring been committed.
We were charged with having committed sacrilege
in their churches, and plundered them of the plate ;
but was it to be believed, that the French, who had
uniformly, in every town, carried off the plate from
the churches., would have made St. Sebastian a sola-
tarp exception; or that when they had converted the
churches of that town (as was the fact) into barracks,
stables, and hospitals, they would have suffered the
'plate.to remain on the communion tables ? The
charge was etterlffalse :—equally false was the al.
legation, that our troops were occupied in plunder-
ing the town, at the moment they might, by follow.
lag up the enemy, have captured the Castle. The
fact was, that our troops did follow up the enemy,
with the view of capturing the Castle, and suffered
much in the unsuccessful attempt ; the 9th regiment,
in particular, suffered severely, and it was actually
found necessary-to reproee.serne of the Officers for
not checking the troop in .some
that which was
impracticable. The last charge against us was, that
of setting fire to the town. This also was utterly
false; so far from it, that repeated representations
having been made to Sir Thomas Grabens, of the
expediency of bombarding the town, for the purpose
of hastening its surrender, by the consternation
which would he thus occasioned, he at length trans.

witted them to Lord Wellington, and his Lordship
sent sixteen mortars, but with express directions,
that they should not e used so as to set fire to the
town, and only four of them were used in the di.
rection of the attack upon the woks daring the
whole siege. It was not our interest to set fire to
the town, but it was that of the enemy ; avid the
fact was, that almost immediately after the entrance
ow oar troops Into it, this dames burst out in several
places at the same time. The only part of the
charges to which he, on the part of the troops em-
ployed at St. Sebastian pleaded guilty was, that of
saving the lives of 600 of the enemy. When our
soldiers entered the town, smarting under the ef-
fects of a most obstinate and protracted resistance,
surrounded by the fire which was consuming the
town, and scorched by the flames, 600 of the ene-
my's soldiers, unable to escape, dung down their
arms, and threw themselves upon our mercy. Our
troops were certainly merciful enough to gout
them their lives, an act which was sanctioned by
their Officers, and which was.not nor had been sifted
objected to by Sir Thomas Graham. This, there-
fore, was the only part of these charges to which
truth was attached. Ills Lordship then shortly ad-
verted to the subsequent operations (highly praising
t'i'e conduct of the Portuguese and Spanish troops),

iieve been mill* wit
• ihp elficeruipOrgoei
. . •
;.

rim d*Puss tilik is the. 1
of !eibminbort Wt, toimorrow. '
Nth of that ofolithi legalist from I
was able to quartor*ith akimbo
Adored it but [oLthat : *do has s
1
I command of ifioitiviK L,-The 6
1 she &anis .: 4,,dir s
of Been
ppy that it kos 1 ' riiie4M4Ototof Ordal

ecollection, the share that Britt% hied lidtritairieg-
about .the glorious events that had !occurred In
Europe, and which at length opened I
its attaining that independence, which • had been
long awl anxiously looked for. If this.country
one respect contributed more than mother to
glorious results 'that had at length been achieved,
vas not so much in the exteut of 'our exertielisp
these bad been 'equalled by others, and.by
sentry exceeded; it was not so much in the akiU
our Officers and. the gallantry of our troops, f
after the splendid victories that had been recently
rained. we could 'only say, that the exploitiof
own Great Captain bad not been surpassed;-it
not in the extent of our privations, for in- this.
sped, God Oesthanked, w• had been saved fronatiaie
sail pre-eminence, but it.was in our peraeverancein
the contest in the Peninsula, under every cimpta...
biatice, however unfavourable, in the pertinacity',
Kith ichich we persisted in maintaining evens-co/Agri
of it, until circumstances had . to. more -attspieletee
events, and thereby holding lot. a clear and bright 1
fame asid the darkness that Qverspread the natives
of EttrOpe, that soon rose into a pillar, of fire tp
light them on their way! to. security, independence,
and peace. -140 -Lordship. concieded by moving the
Thankr of tie;liouse to Field-Marshal the Marquis
of Wellington, for theierninent skill and ability dis.
played in the operations succeeding the battle of Vit.
toria, terminating in the establiebideet of the Allied
Army on the French territory:l ;
The Earl of DARNLEY. spot Id ithe highest'
terms of themerits of Lord Wellttapen,fparticularli
for the maiden and prudence 11'61;10 'displayed itt
formerly maintaining the contest In Pprtugal, antes
urged the adoption of some messcre for giving sr
larger recompence to that distinguished Commander,
by the purchase of an adequate estate, In order thee
the country might be gratified by the contemplation'
Of the magnificent residence of Viftorial as well aar
that of Blenheini. < .•••
The motion was agieipa to near. dist.
Earl BATHURST next moved the Thanks of the
Douse to Sir Thomas Gralelin, for his skill and pep-
severance in conducting the siege of St. Sebastian.

Lord HOLLAND suggested that some words
should be inttoduced into the motion for the purpose
of contradicting the calumnies published iu the
Spanish papers.
We could not hear the answer of Lord Bathurst.

The Duke of •NORFOLK observed upon the no-
velty of a distinct motion of thanks to as officer un.
der the command of another.

Earl BATHURST said, that Sir Thomas Graham
bad closed a glorious military career with the affec-
tionate regard and esteem of the whole army ; and
he had thought it right to deviate from the usual
course, for the'porpose of diitinctly marking the
merits of this distinguished officer.
The motion, as originally proposed, was agreed to
ran dist.; as. were also motions thanking the Ge-
neral Officers under the command of Lord Welling-
ton ; the Officers, British, Spanish, and Portuguese;
and highly acknowleding and approving the services
of the non-commissioned officers and soldiers, Bri-
tish, Spanish, and Portuguese; the Lord Chancellor,
to communicate 'them to the Marquis of Welling-
ton. 11. V,
Adjourned tili''Wednesday. - ••;t..

iolzse
,
-de M• . tontuorrottik - ,
! - - let't
The •CHANCELLON. *o( -the; laQuw
lir
having moved the OrdOrdillithie ' dm. House
.
to resolve 410( ietot•a*Biopth Ilis the Local
Tour...
44.___ . ....i., '. L., r'..Y0'114.11 "'V' ' '`
. PRElgEpkoilsOrtest, that tile. trading
_pitied the ciiiiiitlunliy, ~aftd Particularly In the me.-
Itiopolis,-- wet* fel* mach Incoluenigocid 14 the r 6-..
dundancy of the.coppii arculaiion, and still more
by tbe base quality of theireatir part' elle. He
Ittlibeti to ask his Bight Honourable Friend eppositsny
If it w 4 an be contemplation of Goventtnent,co-,
adopt any smacre fir the purpose of correcting ibis.,
evil'? ' aod should the answer be in the agrmativex he
vault) Willi still further to ask (shoald the qaeltioil'
ifot'be damned an improper one) what weattitiviu 1
iamb at the measure contemplated? . ~t..- 1.,r0.4".
,The CHANCELLOR of the EX'CTIEQVERtkao
aured•his Him. Friend; Mat the circumst
he had mention.* hadlAten ,sighthan
the considerstion.of his Majesty's Goverwetimt. t -./File4
' did not fell himself at liberty, to state the nature of
the Measure which it had been in contemplation to
submit to the decision of Parliament for the purposi
of obviating the evil. All that he could say. was;
,that some measure would probably be so subeited.
toitTteeha, Hoose having resolved itself into the :Come
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..R of the Exciticiatiiit
1 'fi cIiAIidELLO
piO6KRIed litillisititlin,fmtsons which induced hint Lo.
iecoliMend to the,COmralttee the altsetfidncrof con-
tinuing the etisting Local Token Act. -Among the
principal. of theta was the drain of the ordinary cur.
rency of the country by the necessary exportation tp
the Continent during the last summer. Unless thdt
deficiency could be satiortesl which was :not imps&
diately practicabia \ the greatest inconvenience would
be incurred by preventing the further circulation of
Local Tokens. 'He, thiiefore proposed) that the
Chairman be instructed tp move for leave to bring in
a Bill to continue the Act.

The Resolution was agreed to, and the noose hay.
ing resumed, the Chairman of the Comsnitiet obtalfied
leave accordingly.

PERMANENT 01D WAR TAXES.
On the Motion Of the, HANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, Accounts were ordered to be laid
before the House,4f thb Net Receipts of the Per-
manent Taxes and of the War Taxes in Great Bri-
tain, for the several quarters of the years ending sth
October, 181.21 and sth October, 1813.

LEATHER. - •
On the Motion of Sir C. MONCK a variety of 1
'Papers relative to the Leather Trade were ordered to
be laid before the-Hone: -They consisted OW idly of ,
an account of the Duties charged on Leather for the
quarters ending sth July and 3th October, 18$13;
distinguishing the Rates on the tanned and oq the.
unwronght Leather ; an account of the. official nine i
of the Leather exported during that period, with 4.1
milar diutinetiebs• as. accont4 of the quantity .r
raw and tanned Rides imported • lat. Great Britain
during the above-mentioned *led; distinguishingi
those imported from Ireland, &c. &.
BOARD OF WORKS.
Mr. HORNER, adverting to the Report present-
ed to Parliament during the last Session by the
tary Commissioners, relaliiir to the. Board of Works,
expressed a wish that it shouldbi s printed and moved
to that effect.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, however, that tftelocument in question had
actually been printed,- and wet nn the table of the
House.

I N SOLI' RN? ACT.
Mr. LOCKHART seeing a Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite, in his place, to whom the elocution of
the law on the subject pecolierly belonged, Wished to
ask him, whether it was intended to Carry the exist-
log Insolvent Act into effect) or to amend It lo the
first instance ?

Mr. H. A4DINCITON replied, tbat 'be was not
at present priPared satisfactorily to mister the Hon.
Gentleman's enquiry4 :21.-- •
CONTINf.SIAL TRBATIrS.
' Lord CASTLEREAGH, at.the Bar of-the Hawse/
'titesented, from. Kt Royal Highness the Prince Hev
tetst,"Copies of Aires Coanentioni entered.inteon
he pert of his Britannic Majesty :—Tbe first, With
his Prussian blaiesty„;,dated- 34th June; 1811;' fbe
Second, with his- Majeatr thes.Emperer of ell thi
Itussias, dated 4th June, -1618 ; and the third al*
with his Majesty the-Xespereeef all the Russia,
dated 6th July,.18131•• •-• '
Lord CAS'ILEREIA,GI4'in dioving• that Om!
Papers should lie on the tableefook the opportinq
of saying a few words on the state in which the countri
.stood with respect to this subject. The- Treities,'
copies of which hibad just had the hononY to prw=
sent, provided the aid whichlthe Powers with whom
they were contracted should derive from' British cut•
dit on the Continent, subject to certain regulations,
which regulations were comprised' in subsequent
Conventions that had not bean mrchinged, atthoogh
formally signed. It was his intention, after the pre-
sent motion was disposed of; le more for the produc-
tion of those subsequent, Conventions, in order that
the House might have al view of the whole of the
details, on which they might make a provision con-
tingent on the exchange of the last mentioned Con=
ventions.

The Papers were ordiiiiid to 14 on the table.
Lord CASTLER EAOH gave notice, that on Moo-
day next he would move toyefer them to the Com-
mittee of Supply.
An humble Address- was then, on the motion of
Lord CASTLEREAGH, ordered to be presented to
his Royal Highness the Prince Regent, -praying, that
he would.fst pliUNd to order tba three
Conventions, suPplemilothey to the above, to be laid
before the House. %eel" - •
SIN ECOitE OFWltfeintli.• .
r4:1)001 audios of Mr. itANILES) eboiligidelllll

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- • TIM ... 311..
Mr. it. §I.JMNER, in pursuance of. the Ake
which he''gave on Saturday, rose to make.a motion,
'.the adaptiOn of which could not, in his opinion, be
postponed consistently with tie dignitif of the House;
and of the Right Hon. Gentleman who sat in the
Chair. 'ln the firesent stage of the busitiess there was
but one step, 3/Milt he thatitht it postible to take,
namelytlelendeiviier to fint.theHouse in possession
of the &dement on which k Noble Lord had inik
mated that his .obsqiiiitions would be made: i Tkoso,'l
en tlii one hand,. whit thought with the Not 4 Lord;.;
otlibeflwrSPfich made by the Speaker it the liar of -,
clite- itteddlf!'ef %Mita; at the cleii if the 'last Seo I
teletrf'eoptanttif Matter fialbe to litilniadversion, tintij
those %on the ether, who *tadopinido that it Wok;
free from. blame, or eeert -entitftd to' praisei• must !
lequalli feel.the inspossibility.of discussing the subject I
man n authentic copy*. the Speech itself should '
be Oh the,' tale. Althoniph certainty, it amid -not 'I
illtrMeted Aii'elfiatill diebnisint;: yet it had not
Actititualln -tilatirsiiibk • tioddVasellar circum. i
ottistiti,lf. Mai' that Mr: Spealipr. bit, desired to .
print anrepeech which he bath so •delivettdi That i
was the cease which he intended' to adopt oh' the
present occasion.. It might .be, expeoted
.that he '
should open to the House the ulterior vievis' that he)
*Might entertain on the production .of the dricumenti
On this subject he would take the liberty of putting
Inhere' questions ter the Noble Loid
.whb had given '
notice of a motion after the eicets,- and on tha
OpkWefi to those questions would depend the line of
conduct ;which he should prescribe for himself.—
From the known candour ihd liberality of. thaf
Noble Lord, both in public and in private life, he
bad po doubt Olathe would' not hesitate to inform,
the House, whether the observations which he had
declared it was his intention to make on the Speech
of the Speaker at the bar of the House of Lords, I
tended to criminate the Speaker, either by imputing
tellies that he had acted without precedent in ex- '
pounding the opinions of that House ; or, admitting
that he had followed
.precedent, by charging him ;
with an unfaithful exposition of that opinion. If i
either of these objects was that of the Noble Lord, I
then, identified as the honour and purity of the
Speaker's character were with the. dignity of their
proceedings, it would, in his opinion, be imperative
on the House to enter on an investigation of the
merits of the case.at a period mach-earlier than that
fixed by the Noble -Lord.. If, on the other hand,'
the Noble Lord had no other object in the motion
of which he ha& given notice, than to makeit a
vehicle for temark.onilte Motives Which had induced,
the House to reject the Citkollt Bill, thereby •indi-
' redly -involving a stecnirildeffitit 'Of the Catholic-
; Question, it was a matter MT -indifference, whether
' the subject should be discussed at present, or at the
period fixed on by the Noble Lord, who had indeed'
I assigned as the cause of delay of his motion the ab.
I sence of the Members of the Sister Country, who
were most nearly interested in the decision of that
' question. FOr his part he conceived that it was the
duty of the Irish Members to be present at the com-
mencement of the Session. If the object of the
Noble Lord was that which he had first described,
the House ought not to wait for their arrival ; if his
object was merely the indirect revival of the Gatti°.
lic Question, then it 'might be desirable to postpone'
the discussion until those could attend who would
be dispoied to take so large a share in 'it:' Trusting
that the House would grant him the indulgence of
the
eking any farther remer,lks which the reply of the
Oloble Lord might render pecpsiary, he would now
content himself with moving—t' That the Speaker
desired to print the Speech made by him to the
Prince Regent at the bar of the House of Lords,
On Thursday, the 22Al of July, 1813, on presenting
several Money Bills, which then received the Royal
iitssenVg !'- • • •

ImotiAs the Speaker was reading the
on,
, Mr. TIERNEY Wished to know whether the lion.
tvs:v *eat nlotrthslt the Speech Sfpeorechtheshoilti dorbemaptiroinntedofwtre
' use?, If the former, it should be recollected that
el:kiwis ilivays considered as a mark of approbation
"Whit was sure the Hen.. Mover did not mean that
ittbe SpeeCh of the Speaker should he approved until
I,4hast-been considered. 'lt was intended merell, to
print the Speech for the.purpose of putting 'it into
'the hands of Membert, to' that proposition an ob-
, jection could apply.
... . .
t(... Mr. SUMNER was proceeding to,explain.his ob-.
4ect, wheat - v--
,„,Mr.. BATHURST obterviall diet there was no
ityistion before the House. s.-, *2' ... • • •
The 'SPEAKER, then rod' thtt..lnotion;', upon-
Which . . > ..
' 'Mi.:SUMNER said, he haLd no. hesitation in stat-
Ansi, that his sole and exclu`sivititilet Was to bring
before the House the docninenie On which a Noble-
,Member had declared it td be his' intention, at a fu-
'Ora period, to observe. He vepented, that this step
Oppetrod to him.to be called for I* thebonour and
11%84 of Parliament. At tkii, smnit_tinte- it would
' bie bat fair and candid to add,. that in conformity to.
usage on such occasions the :Sp.rOli'must be entered
on the Journals of the House. hat proceeding, how•
ever, would by no means imply the approbation of
the House' of its contents. • . ... .
Mr. BANKES expressed *self to be distiectly.
of the same opinion. It was nist.to.,he inferred, be-
otiose the ordinary mode of inserting the Speech In
the Journals could not be departed froth, that the ap-
probation of the Hones war thereby implied. The
Speech made in 1777, at the: b' -
Lords by Sir Fletcher Norton,,
•votes ; ha was that consider-
betion of Parliament? By
coarse of that same Session se
sorted on Sir F. Norton's

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tha.,House.
lightettPersOnal dtaree• pect
"rotisi, against tide beige the
case se the presentiinstance. Fel, his part he was a$
a loss te conceive what ipconvenimeleotseld be IN.
calionedby the produalop po: AN *pea at a sites.
ale document: ' -."; St .itei- .1"4" ' • '
4 Mr. ROSE 441101 tfte atiktory tia proceedings
Tthe speech made by Sir Fletcher Norton in 1777.
he printing of that speech by no means implied the
approbation .of thet House. It was made on the 7th
of May.. On the 9th of May, only two days after,
!Anne on ;the question of its merits; and although the
hillanks of the HQUI9 . of Commons. were Toted ,to.Siir
.: p': Norton for the spiech, yet the discussion 'Worded
libundant proof, that if in the present instance the
.1-House followed the precedent of 1771, they. would -
:insi tie precluded frouteiforessing a free opinion on
lmech in question.., , • t.. • ,
LrikM9II,PETH sahk;
That having been to pnintl
,4fcalledepen by the lion. Mover, he must be
permitted te say a few words ona subject in whitish,
as be bad stated on gieleg his notice, the honour and
taigntly of "Parliainent were so deeply involled. 134
before heanswered the criestlOns which had been put
I Whim, he begged to biallawed to say a single word
respecting a supposed connection between his notice
and,aome expressions that.hast fallen on the same
ene,..,(' "1"g, f"m OP ALP. • .hiletpenfor Bedford. He as-
sure tee House that he wise perfectly unaware of
, the intention of the Hon. Member for Bedford to say
"tasty thing on ate subject; he bad received no notice
of such an intention. There could therefore be no
ponnection of the kind alluded to.' When the
Speaker had, with so much propriety (in reply to the
observations made by the Monadember for Bedford)
declared his readiness to meetpuy. charge that might
Ibe preferred. against him on. theaubject, he (Lord
1 Metpeth) had thought it hillisty„ eniertainiug the
I opinions which he did eel!! ii„ 'th come forward
land inlimate.his intention, ittolit subsequent period,
to bring the question under the consideration of Par.
Bement. With respect to the enquiries made by the
iHonourable Member for Surrey, he was apprehen-
iitive that he could cot furnish the lion. Gentleman
! Sith information that would prove- satisfactory to
Bliss. He was not at present prepared to ley before the
House thescope and extent, much less the frame and
construction of the motion that it was his intention
to submit to them. This, however, he seat prepared to
lily : that if he was rllghtl7 informed of the nature of
.the speech made by the Spealifir At the bar of the ,
House of Lords, in his view of the subject
,tbat
speech cniiveyed expression% which, both on perlia-
Imentary and on constitutional groinds, were ex-
i tremely_goestionable • and which, deserved the se.
;lieu, attention and tbs aoleme ievestigasion of a full,
Honee of :Ccimmons—a House of Commons which
should contain those Members whO were favourable
to the measure to which the expression he alluded to
referred, as well as those inimical to it. Wi.h that
1 . conviction and impression he bad given his notice for
lam early period after the recess, and should per*.
were in making his motion at that'peried unless some
btber proceeding, on the part of the House, should
4
; prevent him from doing
:so. It could scarcely be
!necessary for him to say, that in giving his notice he
had abstained from all harsh expressions towards the
distinguished individual wit* -.was the object. He
hid been too long a Member of that House, and had
too frequently witnessed the general excellence of
the manner in *which that individual had discharged
' the high duties entrusted to him, to enter on an in-
vestigation of any part of his -olliCial conduct ;sills
other-sentiments than those of the deepest respect.
i Mr. B.BATHURST showed, that the Noble Lord's
conduct was calculated to place the House in a very
i awkward situation. For the Noble Lord- had dis-
tinctly alleged, that tie speech of the Right Hoc.
Gentleman in the Chair, on the occasion alluded to,
was extremely questionable, and yet he proposed to
postpone to a distant day, the decision of a charge
so materially affecting the dignity of tbe Mouse and
• the character of the Right Hon. Gentlemen who
I held the high office of presiding over its delibera.
lions. Now he would put it to the -House,:lt hether
it would be fitting or fair to pursbeisteh 1' line of
1 proceeding towards any individual whatever, whose
Iconclect might be brought under the4otebrideration of
I that mi. of -any candid assembly ? On this occasion
be felt himself atliberty to urge thekethich he was 1.
-beforetprevented frOm stating, whea.,hekhed.,endea. .
voured, perhaps' irregularly, to preis upon the at.
tention of the House. Bat although at that time,
namely, when tilt Noble Lord gave- notice of Ms
motion, he (Mr. B.) was properly interrupted, yet
Pothers, from
be in the recollection of the Noble Lod and '
Pothers; from whom the interruption proceeded, that .
[a.practice hid long prevailed of putting queltions to .
Individual Members when there was no motion what. ,
amir.before the House. He, therefore, although no.
doubt, not strictly .regular, did not, •In'putting .a .
question to the Noble Lord respecting the nature of
his Intended motion, deviate from a long • permitted
practice. But to revert to the Mectimpediately
Under the Consideration of the Houy', he thought .
that it involved a question. of pril4lege, and was it .
.fair that on such a question, particularly the Speaker,
whose peoaliar duty it was to take care of the privi.
legal of that House should for so long a period have
the censure, even by implication, suspended osier hie
bead, of bating deliberately violated those privi-
leges. •He was aware that no Member
_could bp
forted to bring any motion into discussion sooner.
than he himself thought exptdiebt ; but he submitted
it to tho candour of the fie* Lord, dibether, as it
*tight be deemed analogenakoky eitimit were-made
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hod ..by one EXCHEQUER, the Heise', rat tatilid r into a viod, hi illonid mere for feasvi tO brink. In a .Bill td, °the Spe;akerl'i‘ha tlwars been deennnl.,s• mark of
the 'hill of , Committee of Supply, -hi "triEleit.*lirpi..iri*Ted, cooti.doc", :the said Act for a date to *be litaitidb 'the arprobittion Of 'the ;House. Withoutv,intentling
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' the it ighteit,Perional disrespect to the Sqvaker, bet
recently Ab.. I. The House having resuMakillsikAlt dlifits-.)br. -,
d . THE APRAKER'S SERECR. ' •- • ' *AAt,prOist• against this heiratcousiciered .ko be th:4?
lioits of our •i derektalse, received to7morremap'•:,,K.•
..,. - Mr. J. SUMNER,. in pursotroce of .the notice !-----yosaw..la the present' instanae. For his part he was Pt

the: bar ;Cof the. House or against any public Minister; whether, if
on , was printed with tilt leaped 10 that House that any tettny addressed by on•
lend to imply the appti* Mirdater to another., or even to a subordinate akar, 1
By no merins in • tl4 dontalned. somethin • " surtrainaly'
.goostionable," 1
severo-m§mbers 4611141, it *arid be conceived-ltair as liberal.% Oily the . .
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to it *Otto spitusbutkin. vitidicating himself against theitecdsallbei • whether
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