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been taken in the capture of the Susannah, by the Ran-
ger rennet cotter, complaining of the severity of the
Navigation Laws, and praying that they may be mitiga-
ted so as to be more consonant with the laws of nations
and the rights and liberties of Englishmen. The
Hovers stated that they were sailing within fifty miles of
the Dutch roast, under Dutch colours, when the Ranger
.bred urn them, and killed one man and wounded an-
wher, to esecetion of a right of search. They stated
also, that they had only offended against some techni-
calities in the law.
The Petition was read, and on the question that it be
printed,
Dr. LUSHINOTON expressed his surprise that this
*object was allowed to pepsin silence by the whir side.
He had no hesitation in saying, that these individuals if
now in prison, were unlawfully so, and if any statute
contained provisions authorising their detention, it was
contrary to the rights of nations, and the spirit of the
British Constitution, and therefore void. In par-
seance of what was called a light of Search, this fo-
TACO vessel, within fifty miles of the Dutch coast, in
time of peace, had been treated precisely as though under
the eircommances,jleveate bello. And if this were to
Ise permitted, he asked, where would be the security for
Otitis!' merchantmen from similar treatment at the
bands of foreign nations.
The Zeman* of LONDONDERRY said, that not
having of this case before, he could give no in-
formation respecting it. He bad no doubt, however,
that it would be found that there were eircutustances
to justify the imprisonment of the men, but he begged
to suggest that !Isere were other ways of abtaining Jus-
tice, were it not so, then by applying to Parliament.—
The fact of British vessel* assuming foreign flags, did
no: incept them from the operation of the laws.
Tilt LOAD COLLINGWOOD.

In answer to a question from Mr. BENNET,
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that from
the inquiries he had made relative to the reported de-
tention of the British vessel, the Lord Coliingwoud, by
a Spanish privateer, in deanery last, in consequence of
the blot 4ade of Buenos Ayres, it appeared that it wee
not is any shape connected with the Spanish Colonial
Laws, as hail been stated in that house. He bad written
immediately to the Spanish Ambassador, who was to-
tally ignorant of the circumstance, and' was not aware
of the existence of any, privateer of the name that had
been-stated, nor did he _:now any thing of the blockade.
jle received the Caine answer from the Board of Trade,
w:d the matter was now in course of investigation by our
Minister at Madrid, as well on the part of this Govern-
ment as on the part of the Spanish Ambassador here.—
Ile *wired the lion. Member that the utmost attention
was paid to the British Commercial interests in this par-
ticular, and drain° violation of the rights of the nature'
alluded to would be suffered to pass unnoticed. At the
same time. lie might observe, that a distinct notification
load been made some time bark that this country could
not acquiesce in the colonial laws of Spain.—(Hear.)
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH considered the expla-
nation of the Noble Marquess as of a most gratifying
nature; for it was *trimly most necessary to the well-
being of oar Commercial Interests that they should
know that they will he protected against lawless in-
vasion and interruption. It was of great importance to
their security, that in Commercial Laws, rights shonid
be merely incident to possession.
The Petition was then ordered to be printed.
TUB EIRIM6S.

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, he rose to present
a Petition, which, though signed by few names, and of
a novel description, was entitled to the attention of the
House, and particularly of the Noble Marquess at the
head of the Foreign Department. The Petition was
front some individuals at Macclesfield, and couched in
11'41',11, but as regarded the house, respectful language,
in refereoce to the sufferings of the GreekA.—(ilrar.)—
It was in language of that kind in which the feelings of
mankind were usually expressed relative to such trans-
actions, and he was satisfied that the sentiments were
such as pervaded all classes of persons in Isis Majesty's
dominions, and would be more generally expressed,
were it not fur the difficulty that existed of pointing
out any practical effects to which it might lead.--(Hear,
hear.)--The sentiments he willingly avowed where his
own, and although he could not-but see that any inter-
ruption at present of the genersl tranquillity of Europe,
would be a most unspeakable calamity to this country ;
yet lie thought that a simultaneous effort of all the Go-
yeti:m.4os of Europe in favour of that oppressed nation,
could not but be effectual. What probability theme
might be of nloaining such a combination of the (Jo-
• ',eminent' of Europe for so excellent an object, he must
leave those who were better acquainted with them to
say; but he would venture to assert, that a failure in
such a cause would be honourable to any Government
ho should make the attempt.—(Hear, hear.)—Such an
attempt would be worthy of the Government of such a
nation as this, and it would be in the spirit of the an-
cient policy of this country towards oppressed nations.
Territorial security was the only security that could be
thought of for the Greeks; for even the despotic sway
of the Turkish Divan would be unable to secure from

its barbarian subjects the observaece of any stipulated
safety. The only way, then, was to give the Greeks
possession of their territory, with a guarantee from all
the powers of Europe, without being affixed to the in-
terests of any one.—(hear.)
The Petition having been read,
Mr. MIME asked if it was true that refuge had been
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refused the flying Greeks ie the lonian I,lands, seeking
shelter from their murd . He had received informs-

tion to that effect, from good authority; but notwith-
standing he had said, sod still thought, that the acts of
the individual at the head of those Islauds were contrary
to the spirit of the British Constitution, and notwith-
standing all he had said of him, he could not heleive that
he could have issued an order so contrary to the princi-
pies of humanity. He had also heard that morning of
• some individual connected with the naval service of this

country, having gone out to assist the Turkish fleets.—
'lie hoped this was not true, for it certainly was in•
rein'teut upon his Majesty's Government to observe as
strict vigilance in this respect with reference to the op-
pressor*. is they did towards the insurgents.
Mr. WILMOT said, lie was utterly unaware of any
me.tur- having been taken by the Lord High Commis-
sioner 1.. repdio• the dying Greek.: from the lonian
'fere erre acts against their permanent real-
&nee, but be :lid not suppose these would be pot in farce
in sue. a case. He certaioly had received noinformetimi
up to that morning, to countenance the supposition that
the Lord High Co tttttt issioner hod issued any order con-
trary to the principals of humanity. With reference to
the tatter allusion in the speech of the Hun. Member, for
Aberdeen, he could only say, in the absence of others
more competent, that there was an order of the Admi-
ralty against any thing of the kind which the Hon. Gen-
t/nuts had stated to have occurred.
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON could nut'permit this tapper,
lenity to pass without expressing hi. horror at the con-
duct of his Majesty's Government in not affording more
protection to the Greeks. He considered war in the
present state of this country as the greatest calamity
that could befal it, except a peace upon dishonourable
terms, such as no great empire could long exist under
• with the ssainteeance of character. He gave great cre-
dit to his Majesty's Government f. r the exertions at
Constantinople to maintain peace betwixt floosie and
Turkey. But if the object of those exertions were havoc
on the one side. with impunity to the ()the', be proclaim-
ed It conduct disgraceful and anti-christian. He called
upon his Majesty's Ministers to declare upon their
bowie, whither the establishment of peace between

PSNIIMININIMOM
Turkey and Russia I-ft the Greek• open to maseacr'e, or
if that had been specially provided for. If Dot, he should
say there was no free spirit in that house, if it prorogued
before obtaining. a guarantee in favour of that unfortu-
nate people. He would tell the people of this country,
'offering as be knew they were, that pease under such
circumstances was ► dishonour' to them. He did not
expect any thing from Ministers; he appealed to the
people. H. held the policy of Ministers ever since the
peace in abhorrence—they had been doing all they
coal to violate the most sacred principles of right. He
appealed, therefore, not to them, but to men such as the
Hon. Member for Bramber (Mr. Wilberforce) opposite,
who was not lost to every sense of religion and honour.
The despots of Europe he knew had succeeded every
where but in this country, io crushing the germs of
liberty. He was rejoiced see the struggles against
tyranny making in Spin and elsewhere; and he hoped
to see the tables of both houses loaded with petitions on
this subject, to awake them from their lethargy, and
rouse them to exert their influence to check the further
effusion Ottoman blood.—(Hear !)
Mr. WI BERFORCE said, that as the Hon. Gentleman
bad appealed to him, be begged to assure him that hi
could not feel more warmly un this subject than he did.
—(blear!)—He thought, indeed, that there could be but
one oni I feeling to that house, and its Europe, in
favour of the unfortunate Greeks.—(Hear. bear.)—At
the same dinette could not say that he thought it was the
exact line of conduct to pursue for this country to tut-
orage in war; but be knew of no occasion in Which the
efforts of the country could be employed in a more holy
cease, than to endeavour to confine the infidelsof Turkey
beyond the boundaries of the Christian world, within
their Asiatic dominions.—[The Hon. Member eras inau-
dible in the gallery at the conclusion of his epeech.l
The Marquess of WNDON DERRY protested against
the practice of entering into a discussion of so compre-
hensive a question upon the occasion of a petition be-
ing presented. He could not avoid, however, remark-
ing on the readiness of the ft realest friends of peace in
that house, at times to plunge into the bloodiest tsars.
His Hon. Friend (Mr. Wilberforce) had disclosed to
them a problem to drive into Asia the whole population
of European Turkey, to the number of four or five mil-
lions of infidels, nose who knew something of the
character of these barbarian", might perhaps think that
they would not be disposed to yield williag obedience
to the mandate of European Sovereigns for their trans-
portation. After the bloody war they Lad seen termi-
nated, if such an attempt were made, their prospects of
a long peace would, he feared, be found premature. He
should not, however, allow himself to be led Into the
discussion of a question, which both politicallTor mo-
rally Was as large as any which could occupy his mind.
The house would do injustice to his Majesty's Ministers,
if they supposed that their efforts at Coostaotiaople
were confined to prevent war between Turkey and Rua-
sia.—(Hear.) He could not, however, coincide with the
Hon. Member's (Mr. Hutchinson) views relative to the
management of the Foreign Department, and of the
politics of Europe. It must not be supposed that the
barbarities of the Turks were without parallel or pro-
vocation, and that nothing was to be deplored in this
war but their atrocities. The Greeks were certainly
making efforts to free them.etves from that thraldom
under which their state could not but be that of misery,
and in the efforts to mitigate their sufferings by this
Government, it was to he borne in mind, that the Rulers
of their enemies, the Turks, enormous as was their de-
spotic power, could not always put in execution what
they were willing to do, through the mass of prejudice
and passion with which they bad to contend. Bat still
the works of ferocity and cruelty which had sparked this
war os the part of the Greeks, were of the most painful
nature. It was not to be supposed that the tide of bar-
barity flowed only in one irectioo. It this ionntry
were-wild enough to embark in a crusade to elision&
good order in that country, the whole power of Europe
would not tie able to control the effervescence of the
elements of discord that would be excited. He called
upon Parliament to keep its mind temperate and cool
on the question. They had done much for the peace of
the world, and might rely upon it that his Majesty's
Government would do all they possibly could to preserve
the general tranquillity with the security of the Greeks;
—(Hear, hear,)—although they were not sanguine in
their expectations of accomplishing the banishment of
the population of European Turkey into the Asiatic
provinces.
Sir RO:;ERT WILSON was convinced. that the
Greeks, with proper assistance. might establish their
emancipation. Ile hoped, however, that orders would
he given to maintain a fair neutrality in the lonian
Islands.

Lord A. HAMILTON ob d, that if hebad rightly
understood the Noble Marquess to say that the whole
of the Holy Alliance bad not influence enough to pro-
cure from the Turkish Government the cessation of their
atrocities, it followed of course that the war between
that power and the Greeks could not stop till the anni-
hilation of one or the other party. Whatever the No-
Me Lord might intend with regard to the lonian islands,
he must say,that lie did note:client that a fair neutrality
would be preserved.
Sir R.IVILSON asked whether the same respect
would be paid to the Greek flag, as had been to the
South American?

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that the
regulations for a rigid neutrality had been made with
regard to the lonian Islands, and if the Noble Lord op-
posite knew of any circumstance of a contrary ten-
dency, he hoped he would mention it with a view to its
being examined. He knew of no interference that had
taken place with regard to the Greek Commercial flag.
Neutrality was also observed to armed vessels of both
powers.
The Petition was then ordered to be printed.
8188 BILL.

Mr. WESTERN presented Petitions from the Vic-
tuallers of almost every town in Ess►x against the Beer
Bill. Ile begged leave to sly, that he was decidedly fa—
vourable to the principle of the Bill, and should
vote for sending it to a Committee.
Mr. BROUGHAbI assured the house that he had no
doubt of these petitioners expressing the sincere senti-
ments of the real petitioners, who were the brewers.
B u f•-w of the Licensed Victuallers, he believed, felt
otherwise than well disposed towards the Bill, at least
%Itch „as their interest. lie was strongly confirmed in
Otis view of tile case from a letter he haJ received from
a Brewer's Licensed Victualer, which informed him
tiro it was the practice of the great Brewers io his neigh-
bourhood to sign those Victuallers names to their peti-
tions, which they could not otherwise obtain ; and that
his name had been signed after his ►efusal to do so with-
out seeing the paper. There was then a postscript
stating the undersigned to beg to subscribe their names,
praying th4t the Brewers' Monopoly might be discon-
tinued. This shewed (he might go more into the sub-
ject on a future day) that there were two classes of Li•
reused Innkeepers, the one managing property of their
own, the other being entrusted with that of the Brewers.
The first was against any thing being being done that
might affect the monopoly at present enjoyed by the
brewers; but this was by no means the case with the
second class, who wished for an open trade, that they
might be at liberty to buy and sell a good w►olesome
beverage, instead of that which was now in the first in-
s ance forced on thepublican, and subsequently, through
his weans, on the public, to the injury both of the vic-
tualler and himself, who were in consequence forced
from the ale-house to the gin-shop. He bad attended to
all the objections urged against the bill, and every rea-
-1 son for it (without exception) one after the other, rising