The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-06-17 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

in the.discherge of his official duty, to be compelled
to introduce into that House measures of a tempo-
rary nature to remedy existing evils in Ireland. But
in doing so-he was satisfied that those measures meat
of necessity be temporary, and thin they could
weigh nothing in the scale compared with the dura-
tion and effect of measures of a more general nature.
After adverting to the previous Reports of the Com-
missioners appointed to enquire into the existing 1
abuses in Ireland, and to the legislative measures
that had been -founded on them, he remarked that 1
the last Report of those Commissioners suggested a
general plan for educating the poor in that country.
The reason which had induced him to forbear from
introducing that plan to Parliament in the shape of a
Bill, was not any insensibility to the advantage of
general education, but an apprehension that the plan
of education advised by the Commissioners would
not be advantageous. The Report recommended that
the Lord Lieutenant should appoint Commissioners
I for the superintendence of the education. Now he
DUTIES A/CD TAXES TO MFIT TIM asove• was afraid that this direct interference of the F.:zece.
Customs and Excise on Tobacco 140,000 tive Government would tend to excite jealousies that
Other Duties ea Customs 15'" would counteract the benefits that might otherwise
4s. 4. per Barrel - - .. 350,000 I
Assessed Taxes Assimilation NOM Ibe expected from the measure. After due delibera.
Stamps . OA 0 . lion, therefore, he felt himself fully warranted is
Jaiatittery. 15 per Cent. Additional Doabliags 120100 I
forbearing ito
Spirits, 6d. per Gallas . iio,oio ; to introduce. Parliament the system re-
Spirits,
...------, commended by the Commissioners. Ile conceived,
4760,W0 however, that the vote w tech his Right Honourable
Having gone through the foregoing statement, he Friend meant to propose, would by no means insole
flattered himself that the several items would meet the evils which he had just described. Ile ens con.
the approbation of the Committee. The additional siuced, and he avowed it without hesitation or se.
ditty of 6el. a gallon on home made spirits, he hoped, serve, that the only rational plan of education its
ivoutd prove highly productive, and he was certain Ireland was one which should be extended impar.
it ought not to be found fault with by the people of tinily to children of all religious persuasions—trite
Ireland, for it would only raise the price to 6s. which did not profess to make converts—one which,
British money, and, therefore, could not decrease while it imparted general religious instruction, left
the consumption. Ou the other hand, the advan- those who were its objects to obtain their perti.
tette which would be derived from it, to the health ! ruler religious discipline elsewhere.—[/tear, hear,
end morals of the great mass of the people, would ! hear!]—On this subject, it was unnecessary
be incalculable. In fart, he thought that on a 1 for him to dilute. The days were passed when
future occasion the addition of one-third more would i there existed a prejudice against the general pills.
prove highly serviceable on that score. He made a I cation of the poor. Conclusive proofs had been
warm eulogium on the improvement of agriculture is i afforded that the manner, character, and habits
Ireland, and congratulated the Committee and the lof a people were improved preci.ely in plopor-
Country en the circumstance which had already taken tion to the diffusion of knots ledge among them,
place of Ireland hating, in the hour of need, been 'by a rational education. One argument which had
able to afford assestatice to a degree that was far in. been urged against this liberal system in Ireland, ap.
deed beyond expectation. In font, Ireland only peered to him to prove directly the reverse of that
*anted the fostering care and attention of Perlis- which it was intended to establish. It had been said,
meat, to prove how great an addition the strength that in times of public agitation in that country the
of this country had received from the union that had schoolmasters Ird, by their influence among the
been so happily effected. For this desirable purpose i lower orders, materially contributed to the evils of
be would on a future day to submit to the consists. those timer. But to what was that influence to be
ration of the House, a Bill for providing the proper ascribed, but to their greater information ? if the
means of educating the poor of Ireland. and particu. .lower orders, instead of tieing kept iii extreme igno-
lady for the encouragement 'of eeltoeln asters. In ranee, were allowed the means of obtaining inform'.
abort, nothing would ever give him moat pleasure tion, they would not so easily he operated upon end
then the exertion of his hunible efforts, to forward misled. To the slow and gradual progress of reform
and promote to the utmost of his power, all those among the people of Ireland, Parliament must look
systems of improvement which had been So earnestly fot a durable improvement in their character, and he
and so wisely recommended by the Committee on NAM not conceive a more certain mode of effecting
the Finances of Ireland. When the Report was re- sell&most Important object, than by adopting a judi.
ceived, he should call on the House tb proceed on cities plan of general education.---[flear, hear!
the above-mentioned recommendation. He apolo.; Sr H. PARNELL expressed his high satisfaction
gritted to the House for having detained them so long, itt the able, liberal, and useful speech which had just
but he thought it his duty to make these otiserva.! been- made by the Right 'Hon. Gentleman. Ije
dent, which he had done as shortly as possible ' • and trusted with him, that the operation of the great and
es is would, perhaps, be the last time he should have broad principle of educating the lower (seders in Ire.
to address them on this particular subject, he hoPtd land would not be checked by any ill-advised and
that would plead his is:cum-111w .!) . niggardly economy. Ile particularly recononeeded
Sir J. NEWPORT said he concurred with his the 'example of Scotland in the construction of
Bight 'Honourable-as to what he had stated as to the school-houses, and said, that, in his opinion, so
increased duty on the illicit distillation of epirits, trilling a rate as a penny an acre would, in a very
end he hoped the Government wouldenforce the col. few years, afford the means of providing sufficient
lection in future with decided vigour and energy, buildings for carrying the proposed plan into fall
which would be only doing strict justice to the coon- effect.
try. There were two counties in particular, viz.' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
,Donegal and Cavan,_ had presumed on the ill-ad- congratulated Parliament and the country, on the
vised lenity of the Legislature, and had increased manly, virtuous, and judicious manner in which hie
their crime in proportion to the relaxation in levy- Right Hon. Friend had fulfilled the duties of his ar.
ing the penalties. The putting a check, therefore, duous office. He hoped that there yet remained for
to ibis illicit traffic, would be of the most incalcu- hiarmany years of important though laborious public
lahle benefit to the morals of the people, which service. His Right lion. Friend having succeeded'
would strengthen the country more than could well to the task which had been thought- too difficult by
be imagined. On the same ground he perfectly co- the able hands which resigned it, had in two years
incided with his Right Honourable Friend as to. his increased the revenue of Ireland two minimise year;
intended proposition for the improvement of the edit. thus adding 50 per cent. to that which had been sup.
vision of the poor. He had been a sincere friend to posed to be exhausted. The Hon. Bitrotiet had ad-
dle Union, hoping by the sacrifices Ireland made, vetoed to the rapid increase of Irish debt. It was a
she is (sold be repaid by the success of a great na- vans/dation, however, that I; WI revenue advanced
tioisa I measure. Comparing Scotland with Ireland, with a quicker vice. The Sinking Fond of Ireland
it would appear that since the union with the latter, ass now double what the Sinking Fund of Great
she had paid 70 miltions,. while Scotland had paid Britniu was at the commencement of the war of the
only 55. 1 French Revolution; while the debt of Ireland (great'
Mr. FOSTER stated, in 1814, that the Irish !as it was) was not half so greet as the debt of Great
revenue bad decreased 14 or 15,0001.; but it was Britain was at that period. There was no cause,
1
not practicable at that time to make great increased. therefore, fur apprenending that the consolidation
exertions. Ireland had but just emerged from itica.l of the resources of the two countries, under proper.
pecitation. Ile had always looked to the justice regulations, would subject either to the risk of•
end the liberality of an United Parliament;; he honed' bankruptcy. To proceed to such a consolitlatitia
he had not looked in vain. It- was highly desirable was most desirable, and he was persuaded that Par.
that due time should be given for full consideration, Bement would deliberate upon it in that temper with '
that the Union might be followed up by a•conselida-; which all subjects of great national importaisce ought'
Linn of the Exchequer, which coed• not he wisely 1 to be treated: ,
effected without giving an opportunity to alt whose i ' Lord CASTLEREAGH had heard, with great sa.
interests were concerned by it. 1 tisfaction, his Right Honourable Friend declare his
Mr. ST EWAIa warmly defended the Gentlemen 1t intention of proposing to Parliament a vote by which
of Donegal, who did all they could to prevent illicit ! they should be pledged to take into consideration
distilleries. Thatthey could not do more was °Wing] nest Session, .a measure that seemed to him to be
to so many being non.resident. 1 pregnant with beneficial consequences to the Empire.
Sir J. NEWPORT explained, that he meant nil i When he proposed the Union in Ireland, he did it its
reflection on Donegal. • • I the hopestliat it would mitigate, rather than aggro-
Mr. PEELLE. observed, that after the luminous r vate the espences of that country. It was impos.
exposition which had beets made by his Right lion. bible for hint, or any one else, to see the calamities
Friend, it would be quite unnecessary for him to which the British Empire, in common with the rest'
intrude upon the Committee at any length on the, of the world, had endured by the progress of the
question before them. There was one point, however, war, attended, as it had been:, by an accumulating
on which he begged to allowed to be makes few ob. necessity for exertion. By those circumstances. a
%envious. No man Couldhe more • sensible than greater burden had been thrown on Ireland than she
himself of the advantages that would result to Ire. could have borne had she remained in a separate
land from the genertli diffusion of.education. In state. This he deeply lamented. • He would not
• making that statement he wished to be understood, prejudge the question; but be was persuaded, when
that the benefit ought to be resricted to no particular it came to be sifted, it would be foetid practicable,
sect—no distinction whatever ought to-be observed. with perfect justice to both parties, to create that
. He was confident that ---irwas the only measure to community of treasury and taxation which it was
.' which Parliament could look for the introdUcticrit of impouible to effect at the time of the Union. lie'
litbils of industry and; morality among.tbeloisee or- bestowed a high eulogium on the conduct of his Right
titre in Ireland.; mil when they considerod••the avi. Honourable Friend, who, during his continuance is
t .Iy:shich.,.ta titeidehnittcsedit, was shown by the 'office had made such solid provision for the public
Lf Vet' orders of the population of Ireland' to avail. service, that every tax which he had proposed had
: • "'' e. aelvei of say isei4W,,etitifkledol, that. were much exceeded in its produce- the estimate which he
:-
......,.
I"' I_Mvt would beterefieclionowliarlianiesstr• had preideusly made of It. It would be cat aii-
orded hs' i
• :1 • 'Yam ill-judged and miserable peasisisoott melt ditional honour to his .Right Hots. Friend to confer
• lira&
were withheld. It had been his misfortune, on the Empire the bend; of bringing the eouutries
. . •

' DEDVCT AMMAR*.
Arrear of Contribution, i*i 3 51,794,380
• Ditto. of 1814, exclusiveof exeredings - -
.1 .Army Eztraordinatirs, 1814, sap- •
.plieil this year - 3,V5,300
Principal of Outstanding Treasury Bills
and Lottery Prizes - . 48,'240
Inland Navigation . 41.071
Redding Record Office . 16,:1ti1

I

~.. •,~

5,1/3,958

I

~.

111aeplas of Consolidated Fond on sth January, 1815 688,807
---
,
WAYS AND MEANS.
.11iirpios of Gessolid*ted Fund . 688,807
.4avaaae qtlavatrd at . - . 6 100.000
Pr.&

....fit on liAliiries - - .195010
:44ineb's Wages - -100,00 J
Tsr --seventeenths of 406,7451. for Nava! Stores,
fifteen-seventeenths thereof having been taken Cre-
dit for by England . 90,303
- ------ . ..

bili:s9,ooUO:Bdtith

9,576':065

Total Ways and Means . 16,4134,112

CIIIARCE folt 1.04 W.
9,75060001. at 71.95. 2d. t-ottts per Cent.

K

~_

•

.:

721,350

. #

~._,

.~~,

into one common system of finance. With respect
to the plan of educating tfie lower orders, no men
who knew the energies of the Irish mind, and the
eagerness with which the peasantry, parents and
children, sought the means of obtaining information,
rather than the means of obtaining wealth, hut
must anticipate from it the happiest effects. The
Committee might rely upon it that the powers of that
country were infinite, and that, in proportion to
their cultivation, they would fructify to the general
advantage.
Sir J. NEWPORT explained.
Mr. J. SM ITH highly,praised the views which had
been held that evening by Gentlemen in administra-
tion.

Mr. PEF,LE said, these were not new views. Be
had frequent interviews with Dr. Bell in Ireland, but
felt that his system was not practically preferahle in
that country ; though his principles of education were
the best to adopt. The Doctor accompanied him to
the House of Industrv, and saw several children
whom he examined. Four or five Catholic children
declined reading from the Protestant Bible without
permission, but read from other books. No inter.
ference with them on this point was used by the
schoolmasters.

The resolutions were then agreed to, and the re-
port ordered to be received on Monday next.

SUPPLY.

The House then resolve-ditielf into a Committee
of Supply, to which various documents were re-
fer r ed.

Mr. V. FITZGERALD proposed the following
Resolutions, which were agreed to :
Si% thousand nine hundred and eighty pounds for
the Commissioners of Public Education in Ireland.

Eighteen hundred pouuds to the Commissioners
for the National Cities,.

Mr. ROSE, after a short explanation, propose() a
Resolution for granting 20761. to Captains Hunt,
Hodson, Lake, and Bright, in lieu of the advantages
they had hitherto enjoyed as Barrack Masters of the
Marine.
After a short conversation between Mr. J. Smith
and Mr. Rove, the Resolution was agreed to.
Lord CASTLEREAGH gave notice, that on
Thursday next he would move for a monument
to Generals Fane, Gillespie, Delaney, Gore, and
Gibbs.

To a question from Mr. GRENFELL,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
plied, that he had entered into a negotiation with the
Bank on the subject of a composition for stamps on
their notes, the result of which would be communi-
cated to the House in Committee. The engagement
was formed on an average of the issue of the notes in
circulation during the preceding year; and the prin.
ciple was, that the Bank should pay at the rate of
35001. for every million sterling in notes. This en-
gagement was to continue in force until the Bank was
allowed to resume its rash payments. •
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of, and the House a*ljourned at half pig eleven.

POLICE.

,!.,
r
k,
:'.
4..
. ,
~
..
,-
.-.
..
/'....:'....4;i.t.- , 1
. I: .
iL.
. ' L