The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-01-11 00:00:00

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that he did not think it competent to say gentleman to
propose motion at variance with the terms of the ao-
• tice by which the meeting had been called.
Mr. l'HA•rrtict.o here exclaimed from tile Oafiery.'
11141 the Ml ember of Parliament who kail 13,060pda-14
bail gone to the llonse of Commons with his hands tied,
and that he hail now got them loose.—(Laughter.)
Mr. PARKING suggested then, that the alteration
in the Petition should be that " all classes were is greet
distress."
4 Mr. BtACKMAN said that it wee estate to take
• vantage of the terms of the notice, in order to ehlitip
C a motion. He was at a Ina to discover how any re-
• mirk, extracted from the Agrienkseal Report of OM
House of Commons, could be foreign to the oNeet
of
the Meeting. His Reeelstkoss were the sum ef the
Report draws up by sae of the Ministry. mot *greed
upon by a Committee, spat which four lifinistere hod
sat. Here it is, (*aid Mr. B. poistiag to the espy of
his Amendment), here it is, sad will you. tasets
the
friends of Ministers, run away from their owe wordia
The Earl of CHICHIMTeII asked Mr. Blackman if
hie Rimolufons were founded on the Report of the.
House of Commons, or if they were merely intends'
' to aver that such were the words of tb.it Report ?
Mr. BLACKMAN replied that he was enable to per
eeive the distinction made by the Noble Lord. Mr.
D. concluded by moving a series of Resolutioss, as se
• Amendment to the motion fir adopting the Petition.
litre some confusion arose, which lasted for several,
missies, till at length Mr. LAW moved that the Claaleol
thaw shosW report the progress of the Meeting.
Urea this the Chairmas stated, that it had beet la
. the first plaee moved that a Petition to Parliament
_ ..should be adopted by the Widow I that as Amend-
. and bad bees then moved by Mr. blabbett, and
that a wood Amendment had been proposed by Me.
Blitehemb.
lir. Dotrov.tx said that while he agreed with many
pans of Mr. Illaektaan's speech, be must observe that
the outline was altogether irrelevant. lie had ranged
through the widest field of metaphisics and politics.
• Without gibing Minutely tato the various topics of the
speech, he could nut bat admire the address with
which many things foreign to the Meeting bad Imes is•
troJace4. Mr. Blackman had advised Ministers bow
to tax, Members of Parliament how to vote. and Rs-
ciao Officers bow to deport themselves. He. Mr. D.
felt the distress to be great; the occupiers and imam
of had were alike suffering; but still he would mg
-Vs actor Nitre errpirloas ; for though the shoe
might pinch. every one might not he able to point
oat the mode of relief. He would say to she
Legislative body, " I suffer, it is for you to decidehow
relief may be given." Let us, said Mr. Donovan, ask
for assistance, bat let as sot. is so doing. travel oat of
out sphere.
Mr. CHATFIKLD said that the gentleman was talk.
log to very little purpose. We were is a trap, and al-
though we know the way of getting out, we must sot
my whet it was. but leave others to tell. " I am aot."
said &fr. C. for bog speeds, bat Ido like a little
etromon sole.
Mr. Cowries. M.P. rear to avower the particular
' goestiim which had been put by Mr. Cliatlkld, whether
he (Mr. C.) had aim pee tom Paellement with
loads tied•• be admitted that he had VW WO

penple that he frit autfel
*wild perk relief, fur he

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114•111• COS 1•"•••• MR, ••. •
meeting. wises the freebelders of the . toasty
placed him in the honourable situation is whieb
- then stood, as one of their Represestatives. be had
treed it.to a specific engagessest with them, that
would always pay the utmost afteados to their wishes,
' and obedience to their (attraction. That he had
always held sacred, sad that promise be had, to the
best of his ability, fulfilled; and he was this day in
attendants for the purpose of ascertaining what those
wishes were. Is Parliament he always sat on the is-
th•peadeht bench ; and with whatever indepeadeace
they bad seat him into the Roues of Comm.... that be
still retained. He was under se de to Ministers ; mad
11.411 no connexion whatever with the opposition. It
• appeared to him that Ministers had not acted with
kindness towards the agricalterists, tbrugh fear of
otrentlinr, the commercial an and sassufseturers.
Tbe opposition bad sot eves been dispesed to render
thrm any service ; for the opinion, of the greater part
of them were derivedfrom the publications of the ma.
dere political economists. the Ricardo" sad the Bs-
rings, which were in direct oppositioa to the landed
interest. TWA hie doctrines were derived from
a source. from the works of a Nebie Lord lately
. deceased, aid whose less we must all regret.
ribose memory we were blued to revere, and who was
at all times the true fees I of the farmer (Lord Slier-
tisld). In answer to M.. Mabbott's question. as to
his cootlact with relation to economical reform, he
1.06111 conscientiously say that he bad almost uniform.
ly voted on the side of retrenchment. serer fastidi-
onsiv, hnt always conscientiously. That Ise had
for Isitto•rlf or family asked any (arose of Ministers,
nor dill be ever wean to do so. Having given this
• opinion of the two great parties, into which this
conntry was divided, he heartily wished that a third
party might arise, having the. hay-rests of aviculture
principally in view. To that party be would attach
himself, and with it steadily act; and in se doing,
hr really believed be should best serve the great agri-
cultural comity of Sussex. aid (iii.this time of general
dim ) the nation at large.
Mr. MADIBOTT asked Mr. Cartels os what parties.
lar occasion he bad voted is favour of retrenchment ?
Mr. CIAtTEIS replied that be had done so es nearly
all which had been brought forward in the House.
Mr. Davis observed. that the petition coetained at
the very outset a gross and palpable falsehood ; for it
spoke of the distressed owners of land, which was a
tame mockery. as the owners of land were actually
gainers by the present circumstances, in having raised
the rent of their 68d to COOSINISOOCe of the high price,
of corn, which rent was still exacted notwithstaading
the great depression of price for every article of cos.
sumption. Was it set thee aa lassit to common sense►
as well as a violation ot plain truth, to allege the dim
trees of the owners of land, bat very few of whom had
made any sacrifice whatever to relieve their tutelary by
reducing their rents. What Lord Chichester said he
had done in the letting of his estates was. no dealt..
very laudable, bet he wield ask that Noble Lord whe-
ther even he was not a gamer by the presort state of
things, tied whether his rests were now not smelt high*
thaathey were is I 7112? Yet the peasantry, the laboar-
-Jag pose of the eomitry. were writhing muter the mom
severe distress. It was the. for these poor deserving

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people living eonsfortably than one .
(loud applanse).-lle combatted the argument .
Ileip, that the mechanical inlets were rather benefit I soma. • - •
ed by the present catrolitien of the country. as their Mk. Co!WITT 06•11021priOONI his regret that any thing
wages were lived, as that argument we's founded upon connected with his same should occur to disturb the
a fallacy. A case had indeed yesterday come to his harmony of the company ; and after explaisting at some
knowledge which was trite contradictory to the Ho lag& the occasion taken to make the opposition, a cons
nottrable Gentleman's notion. It was that of his black- versition took place, is which the Chairnian. Messrs.
tossukh at Uckfield, who told hits (Mr. A) that, finding Blackaisa and Crippe took a pan, strongly urging the
the farmers paid a proportion of the wages of their le- necessity of hearing Mr. Cobham
beeret' out of the poor rates which were exacted from ' Mr. Coosa?? thee reenosed—l shall thee, gentlemen.
him. be had reduced the wages of his journeymen two blbr you a few observation, oti mese of the topics that
shillings a week, Weise him to apply to the poor rates have this day beets matter of discussion in soother
if be thought proper. Adverting to the observations of, plait; and I beg yes to feel no pia at any little inters
Mr. Donovan. that the people should oat interfere with artless that I may expert/race, I being well sag .
the business of legislation, hot leave every thing to the
wisdom of Parliament; he catenated that mitreenlinary • •
shat events will make these applaud who may .Dow ex.
remark (*lrish he was astonished to hear from any Nor press dmettsfaction. What a cause is this for wean:
.Ibhassii) with the declaration of the Hnnourable blow Wing together? It bee fregarati7 happened that a Par-
ke for the County. that he felt himself bated to obey ticlular branch of trade has been greatly iajored ; that,
the instructions of his eonstitnessts;—for bow maid the owing to some circerastaace of peace or of war. of ear
Honourable Member obey those instroctiess if the people
were not at liberty to repress them ? Me. 11.., alter ad- elm or of conquest, this or that branch of croninterai
verting to some it
topics which had mote ander the Wen almost mulihneied t bal. the history a the:
consideration of the meeting, sat dims align nisei- has furnished moil now no inetaare in which a witch
derible applause. body of farmers sad landlords were upon the relit
Here Mr. BLACKMAN proposed the fiAiefriag llerelo- being overwhelmed la rain, which, indeed, is teething
boas is lies of the Petition ; and ate -Airing being short of the breaking np of the very fonadatiens of bo-
ra. we heard the Chairman say to Peed fhtehester clay. A Noble Lord, Gerd Chichester, observed tso
and Mr. Partlngton. k There is a deeitirlintiority of , day, that the famine might*, better to rentalaat hews
bands in &akar of Mr. Macke.'" aelmiatili ; what for. that be was ortairiand, that there was aoremelybot
am Ito do now i'' ieindividnal reediest. Now. if his Lordship MOM that
"i. That it appease to this Messing, brim Newt Of . , , , , ,
the Astsicalterel• Committee passedeaving the last Nes- it was right for farmers to be industrious am• sot to
sion-ef Parliament. that there has been ma fixed stated- mete their time, he was right; but, essays when they
and of value in Ibis country during *period of almost dad, that, la spite of all their indeasty and frugality,
twenty-five years; but that an unsettled energiser has they grow poorer and poorer, and at last weenie staring
cast injury and injustice in succession upon the difereot . them In the face. it hemmer them, as mew of good sense.
ranks of Society; has involved the farming, usaufactur•
to inquire into the and to seek for a retuedy. And
lag and trading interests of the country ha eat difficul-
lin ; anal has produced derangesemst aau the italliats as to individual exertion being that remedy. how can any
tions of life. individual exertion make head against the irresistible and
" 2. That the palest state of the farming and trad- all....eadia., now that is now
at
work? Is it
Iseult
log interests of the !torso( Lewes and Peversiter. billy r"" l'
that the farmer' should retrench, that they should lesson
bears oat the jestice and accuracy of the general descrip-
tion of the country contained in the foregoing assertions their personal expenses. that they should come
of the Agricalteril Committee. down in their way of living? Why, you hare ee-
-1 "3. That this Meeting has alwayeconsidered it to be trenched. you have come down. This is already
the first duty of the Ilona of Commons to Werke into sore ; and. 1 deft any bauisn being to point out bow
all the injury and injastice.which may be cast se soccer
you, by individual exertion. are to do more thee you
sion upon the different ranks of society, and if tialsapirlly
of in-
au unsettled currency be a Legislative tonsure ban already done. De the Lendlords imagine that
jury and Injusticsi la whiil the Home itself his awes- they ere to mistimee to receive high rents teat of the
softly borne its out. yet fur that the Nom bit seen Its 'savings in the farmer's family expenses ? Do they
great error, and disport draughts which bumbles made know how small a proportion these bear, seen on the
on thrbappiness and morals ef the people. .hp,a &par- most extravagant wale, to any one other branch of the
*reliant's eat•goinas? But, above all things, du they
cot.rnersefroafayaeafirsild tlatisaliterdtiont; Thasilmueblethirliiiipesag "thtgthae
consider the real verse of the present distress? And,
House will, on assembling, enter into an early sod mo-
bil revision of all Legislative measures maned Aeries if they do, Low can they imagine that its effects are to
that period, connected with the value of asoity, and be averted or mitigated by individual exertion ? The
particularly into the merits of the Core Laws pawed in present law, commonly called Mr. Peel's Dill, does
1804 and 1815 i and as it is evident thatifleinT sad in- ',dais ; it triples the rent of every tenant booed by
augments the amount of every mortgage and
mei proportion l le does the same as to all
t triples (as observed is print malt months
i toll at hirelings gates ; it is, is feet, as
il perpowie„ an act pf coafiseatiou on every
lease. mortgage Wadi. or other contract
bit, agabettelseepentioa Oa* Act like
,done by individual creaks? The Mi-
depriestes interference and, by the mouth
Chichester. tell yen today, that they tan
relieve yea ; for. he yen assured.
said will be said by them. 1 would,
__ that they bad not interfered. and that
they did sot interfere now; hat. have they sot Inter-
fered. aad de they not still interfere. by the hands of
the tax-gatherer, tad by the means of Mr. Peel's Sill ?
After expressing his surprise that the Petitioners had
been advised to appeal to the wisdom of Par-
liament. Mr. Cobbett observed how he was struck
with the change of conduct in the landlords, as in
stases of which was evinced in the alley-nt•hente ad-
vice of which he had before spoken. lam sure, said
be, that every one recollects. tha, as long as the far-
mers confined themselves to the adoption. in their Pe-
titions, of the absurd its of Mr. Webb Hall, they
were never advised to keep at Ames. Nay, it is per-
fectly notorious, that the landlords (beginning with
those in Hantingdoashire) (speedy tailed arm them
to leave home, to bestir themselves, to motet. and to
petition. This chugs of advice. then. mast hare a
came. The subject has beets discussed; the Ismer.
begin to see the real verse of their suffering; they
tram those sufferings to the wee ; these to the enor-
mous standing army, the high salaries. pensions. and
mats. and the still Imre enormous amount of the
' debt. The farmers in Hertfordshire have agreed to
petition for a redretin.s of these; those of Lin-
soloshire, parikelatly of Holbeach. have done the
same; and an., all of a caddie. some, at least, of
the landlords, have discovered. that the farmers would
do better to stay at home. and mini the plough t
The fact is.. gentlemen. that many of the landlords
are something else ben des landlords ; they are place-
Oen and pessimism (by the by, Lord Chichester. is a
Postataster•Oeonal ;) they receive taxes ; they. therw
fore. very naturally dislike to bear the sufferings im-
puted to those taxes; and. besides this, they as well se
the leadholder. the mortgagee, and the my-laced and on-
pensioned landlord. profit, as placemen and pensioners,
by the rise in the value of mosey, and. therefore, they
would fain prevent the fanners from busying themselves
about matters relating to the enrreacy 1 sad would have
dim stay at home. and use individual exertion. After
advertiag to the assertions dben made, that the interests
of isnikwitandtennat were the same, and 'hewing its
hiciesaistesey where the tenost is called urea to pay his
landlord twice or thrice the rent he contracted for, Mr.
Cobbett noticed as observation made at the meeting that
dottiest for which the taxes were chicly raised was coma-
sioond by a war for the preservation of property. Therese,
many, said he, amongst whose I am one, who think
that the war was wholly unnecessary fur any good pur-
pose; but, so bear said. even new. that it tendril to
preserve property. is sernetking that i•eould not have
'mooted. The war anal Its appeadages made that
debt and thaw ether charges which cause the taws,
li whisks so all Seen SOW nee, are the cause of the sof.
forings of all classes, and which, after having crashed
the other classes. one by one, are now pressing with
drolly weight ppm that ale which kohl is their
Mad* the veer omens of all national wealth and.
prosperity. Let my man she* me even a ceeelotioo.

of banded Property... . especially
of Justice la the Coeds if Law and Pinity; and mem
over, If it *sohl appear epee lovestigatioa. that is col-
sego...* day ill Judged attempts ea the part of the dis-
tressed niateafituring classes to ward e( dim portion
of biter, aid injustice which an unsettled earteicy east
os Sem in the order of succession, it bestial@ espealient
, pass upon the plea of (State) sweessity any arbitrary
aid unconstitutional laws steelier the liberty of the
subject generally; this Meeting ferveatly hopes that
the House will now see the justice and propriety of
repealing all inch laws. and of giving to the country,
by Isms Ablest and solitary measure. a much better
iambi than any it now possesses against the recur-
✓ence of an evil so justly and strongly deprecated MZ
the Agricultnral Committee. as is unsettled earreaey.
Lord CNICIIICSTLI suggested. that those who were
not Owners or Ono piers of Land shoals, retire from
the Hall, sad from the indecorum which be witeemed
towards the door. be believed that many pertains pre-
seat were *either Owners see Occupiers.
The Casuists* here aanounced to the Welles that
the chew of hands wow in favour of Mr. Illeeketan's
tint Resolution.
I; you the review...dation of Mr. PepTextrrox,lt
was settled that several sheets of paper shosid be slue
round the room, upon which every Ow or OtseePiee
of Land should be required to write his lisme aid ad.
Dress. with the vote he meant to pronounee.
Lord flags said a few words in support of Ur. Par-
tiegton's proposition; bit by this time the hall was
nearly empty. the people heels( concluded that the
Kssolutloos were carried. Bit some el. natures le
support of the Polities having *ea 0-41.
papers which were distributed.
'rho Cast:lists declared that the Petiole* *as car-
ried, and it was ordered to be left fee eissatates.
The niceties broke up about foie o'clock. sad sous'
slier a number of gentlemen met to dime at the Star inn,
awl Mr. Davis tlilfsert was called to the Chair. After
dinner "the health of the King" was skink with the
warmest applause. Several other toasts followed g assess
which were " Prosperity to the county of Sasses," and
" Success to Commerce."

Upon the retirement of Mr. D. Gilbert. W. Stmt. the
late Member for Lewes. was timidly called to the Chai►.
and he Immediately proposed "mere moos, and less
tales." which was drank with epplawse ; as was " a fell
and speedy Investigation of the canoe of the Agriert
turd distress of the reentry. with the diem/very of an ef.
frees! remedy."

Mr. E. Joattsrox teak occasloa to propose the health
of a slistiaguisbell imilvithuil, whew he wealsppy to see
in the room, and them when there was eat is linglami
a was mere competes** give weed skis*N tbe Agri-
' ealturista. sod to pres et. their relief. H. lomat " Mr.

Hen aMr thytattas &clued that W ea* ant n-
osh' la theme if the health at Mr. Vahheu wen
drank t orpecialy ahstpat *me that latailisan hJ
prastaassal apse the fatatais at &on la ' •
!stirs 4. Lord Crevasse.

little justice have mite, during so lout a period. lease s it „.„,sed
tory contracts bowie. imlividaals, which are capable ef ,_,_ I. ..,_
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icon adjestineut. that still greater inks., and injustice most t ufl".axioes4n: ll.W.ltiriplii
.1. now arise out of the.lnvolootary obligades i by the g
nether the State during the. tame , h are , age) even the toll
b hie not capable of ailestment. ' is, ' Wilier to all practical psi
ear- h that the it ler*,,Linius Woad by Mat
eisevel -A* varwr • . ...- fee tine. iniii.
P bad all charges on the Civil List. of sad
eb be Pensions; of the Pay sad Allowances le no end this, is to be doss
sisters derdeotm
Navy; of all Taxes on Coosomptioe 4
iLlii e,l to the value of the raw' article. particelsr flask sod of Lord Chiches
7iastbeiws, salt; of all Penalties; of all itecereisastes foe &cosi- deiseehiteg to
ties; of ail Taxes upon Penises' Property* Probates, that what be sale
P had Legacies, and Stamps; of all Tires oe the Von one oratteneen. ;an;
o the of Landed Property. and especially die ioereaee_d 00411 thaw did not lister

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A for the* tbs. eballerill •oisea calletire hint out!" but
It rather we lOW h/ "Shaine, shaine!—No brutal violence to It
COWU." pridentinated.-31r. Hitchies and Mr. Parting-
s *moment of Mr. lon, who were most prominent on the occasion, left Ow