The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-05-08 00:00:00

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Was It such en instrument as the' s ~ rson would attempt
be Loru Lieutenant's life with? e.),hat was the size of it?
--It seemed about a pound and 'a half weight, and was a
dangerous piece of old timber. I did not weigh it, but I
judged its weight from its si fie, having seen it on the stage,
and in the King's Ranch ar,erwards.
Mr. J. WILLIAMS, who conducted the recent eximi-
nation of the last witness, having left the House. Mr. NO-
LAN. who succeeded kim, moved that Moran and O'Reilly
be celled in. Those witnesses not appearing, and none
others toting called,
colonel BARRY said he was reedy to proceed with the
egairination of witnesses for the Sheriff, but if he began
be hoped be would not be interrupted until he closed his
case.
Mr. O'Reilly now appearing, was re-examined by Mr.
S. RICE. Had you any conversation with Sberill'Cuoper
respecting the putting of Mr. Poole on the Grand .fury
panel ?—1 had • I said Mr. Poole was seeking to he put
on the Grand fury panel, and I told Mr. Cooper that he
was a respectable man, and the placing him on the Grand
Jurycould do no injury. That was the import of what I
said. Mr. C. replied that he could not interfere, as his
partner, Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, refused him. Last night I
had a conversation with Mr. Sheriff Cooper on this sub-
ject, and he contradicted it so far as related to him,
In saying that Mr. Sheriff Thorpe refused Mr. Poole,
Was your conversation with Mr. C. prior to the riot at
the theatre ?—No ; it was subsequent to it.
Christopher Moran was next called, and to questions
pet by Mr. NOLAN, he replied that he was a painter, and
was before the Grand Jury to give evidence respecting
the riot. They asked some questions, to which I an-
swered ; but they seemed not to think any thing ahont
them. I aad I saw persons rioting; some of the Grand
Jury laughed and said ' true, and showed me the door. I
was giving a farther description of the persons, but the
Jury did not listen, and prevented me.
Hy Col, BARRY: Were many witnesses examined be-
fore you?-1 did not know.
Was it on the second day of the matter being before the
Jury that you were called }—lt was.
It was probable then that they heard your story ?-1I
don't know. They took no eotice of what I was saying,
and if they had not prevented me by laughing, I would
ive proceeded to tell them about Matthew liandwich,
whom l pointed out to the officers at the theatre to be ap-
prehended.
The witness was ordered to withdraw, and we under-
stood that the case against the Sheriff then closed, with
permission, however, to examine other witnesses if neces-
sary hereafter.
Cul. HARRY said he would proceed with the witnesses
on the other side, and hoped for the indolgenee of the
House while discharging so arduous a duty. lie moved
that Mr. 'Mansfield be called in.

The witness appeared, and being asked his name an
swered " Nicholas Murray Mansfield."
What is roar occupation?-1 am chief and only clerk
in the Slick's eilice.—(A loud laugh.)
Do you recollect the grind Jury panel of Jan., 1823 ?
—I do.

Do you know how it was made out ?—Tes ; in the first
instance it was made out by Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, making
out a list which he afterwards left for the approbation of
Mr. Sheriff Cooper.
Were the names on that list those of respectable per-
sons ?—1 conceived them perfectly so.
Were you acquainted with the character of the persons
on the (hand Jury ?—1 was.
Do yon think them calculated to do justice between
the crown and the subject ?-1 certainly do.
Did you hear the Sheriff make any observations as to
the persons who should be put on Juries ?—I heard Mr.
Sheriff Thorpe say that men of warm politics ought not
to he put on the Grand Jury.
Was that Grand Jnry.composed of warm politics?-1
conceived the great majority of them to be men of mo-
derate politics.
At what time did Mr. Sheriff Thorpe say he wished to
have no men of violent politics on the Jury ?—lie said so
to me before he submitted the panel to Mr. Sheriff
Cooper.
By Mr. JONES.—Were there any conciliation men on
that pat 8 ?-1 doo't know.
Was Sir Win. Smith a conciliation man ?-1 don't
know what a conciliation man means.
Do you know what conciliation means?-1 do.
Do you not know chat meaning the cords "concilia-
tion men" carry pith them (in Dublin) ?-1 heard the
phrase, hut could not learn by the conduct of those who
were so called what it meant.
Do yon wit know that those who professed to-abide by
the advice in the King's letter, were called conciliation
men?-1 heard so; but they did not practise what they
professed.
The term conciliation was applied in the City of Dublin
to those who abided by bis Majesty's letter. Sir W. Smith
was so called : had a distinct recollection of Sir W. Smith
forming a panel in the year 1822. An extraordinary ques-
tion occurred in the year 1901, and the routine was departed
from.
Mr. pLUNKETT.—The panel of 1803 was formed in the
usual manner. The trial involved a good deal about dress-
ing of the statue. A new election of Corporator, took
place. Exertions were made to have persons returned who
were favourable to the dressing of the statue, in the Guild
of Merchants particularly. lie considered the three per-
mans in the list before mentioned flt and able persons to
eeeee on the Jury; the device of the list in his hand was
King William treading ou the Lord Mayor; the bad times
in the motto Cid not allude to the present times. He did
not think that thirty-one mach men as Mr. Stutter could he
found ; the Jury were formed of dispassionate men, and the
seven alluded to in the list were of the same description; he
considered that a sworn Orangeman was not a fit person to
be put on that Jury ; he saw the name of a Mr. Lamprey in
the list ; has no reason to believe him to bean Orangeman;
never heard he was an Orangeman; he knows that Cussack
was en Orangeman, because he subsequently told him so;
he would not have been put on the list, if that had been
known at the time; at that time there were very few
Oraegemen in the Corporation. The practice of his office
was on all occasions to form a fair jury. The sworn Grand
Jury wits, so far as he knew, formed with a view to impar-
tial Justice. He was applied to return particular names on
that panel. There was a list put in his hands. His answer
was, what can be done for your friend will be dour. It was
on the trial of Mr. O'Meara. Such proposals have been fre-
quently made. Ile never read the names, and cannot say
whether they were put on the jury .r not. The list wastorn
by him without looking at it. The witness was not sworn
In his office. The application was renewed to him by the
same person. The answer given was, that it could not be
effected because Merit Thorpe had taken the panel from
his hands. He did not see how the ends of justice could be
answered by prosecuting a person who made the application
to him to tamper with justice. He does not believe that any
consideration was received by any person in his office for re-
turning that panel.
By Sir J. NEW PORT.—From the mode in which the
Attorney-General had pointed out the answers he had
given, on the applicalion to put particular MIMES on the
panel, he thought that a better course might be pursued.
There are times when more than 50 jurymen are required
to attend, to ensure a jury being formed. Witness had
read the list of Grand Jurors. bat does not recollect the
names. Mr. Archer is a "conciliation man." These
jurors were of a lower walk in lire than those men
who served on Grand Juries. Witness knows William
Carpenter—be has served on Quarter Sessions Grand
Juries before
Bv Mr. IL SMITFL—Do you know whether Mr. She-
riff Thorpe is an Omngentaa ?-1 would not know one
ifl saw hiin..-4A laegh)—Witness cannot recollect that
he himself made out the panel when the King was in
1 reland.
By Mr. NOLAN.—A Mr. Butler applied twice to
have his name put upon the panel. Witness refused, on
the ground that Sheriff Thorpe bad the panel. Did not
'wigs a reason for Tborpe's having it : he might have

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