The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-06 00:00:00

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t. N t the lege' disirtacoftlf part of these to him a serious charge. They heel advise,' their sow •
reign to dismiss his first Parliament
AOHICULTVRIL tie
Mr. GOOCH seeing the Noble Lord cCastl h)l.proceatings sins, t e use Yrhich had been made of the
vision which they hail mat furtethe is a celd nod • '
in his placi;liegged to ask him a question of great 'l3's name—an use which to honorable or tianly repulsive way, without tanking diewrae.
portant* M. Si. interests and sellout of every class of -would not hare st to. He now came to the
his crown and aiguity, with a liherah illailr;
bo lavish hand. Front the peorognfl ' Waits ai
tedividualsb on thesebject of the agricultural &it: Nuked disgracefel sequel] tits whole. All them acts
the present dine, they were answerable:for 14:111Shaeilitiko:
He wished 'tallow if it was intended by the Noble eeeila die Ministers bad obtained their usual satiation to in
advised their Soverelga to restore the name of tit re;
or any of his Colleagues, to bring forward, in the their acustomed overwhelming majority. Hut he, was
' course of the Session, any motion specifically relating afraid that many of' those who composed that majority
.flrt to the Liturgy after her acquittal, notwitlissamlit.,
he had beard one of his Majesty's Ministers declare "
to, or tending to alleviate, or remedy the unparalleled bad voted against their own conrktion. Leaving the
there was no alternative between the passing of the --
distresses which weighed upon the agrictilturatititerests. Noble Lord in the fall enjoyment of power thus so;
Lord CASTLEREAGH assured los Honourable friend quired, and which he for one did not envy, he would that
and the restoration of her Majesty to all her rights Ih--
that that he did not under-rate the importance of the subject, make tell for those who would address the goose on this
relative to which he had put this question, and he par- question in * much mum effectual wanner than he could. Queen Consort. Their conduct he held to be- milli
and lexpeilient ;anti thus it appeared to the cee
ticipatell, as deeply as any one, in lamenting the Ills- Re had endeavoured to the best of his powers to
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draw into a focus for the full view of the House, the in•
tresses which pressed so heavily on the agriculture of -this
table. These, it liras) in vain petitionsberiattenipsedtoomeeta lb*:
country, which was the great basis of our national justice and impolicy of the late proceedings, and with
loyal addresses (in which no mention is made a
wealth. His Honourable Friend's question, however, these iniptessions on lint mind, awl feeling how deeply
was similar to one that had already been put, and to that House was involved in their exposure, he had at- ,Queen), and in this way it had been attempted togia
which be had answered, that it was not in the intention tempt, ii to luring the conduct of Bihasters into the worst something like au appea.ranqe of approbation of discos:
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obis majesty's Ministers to bring forward any specific light. lie could assure the Heuer, that his. object in duet of Ministers, so the decision
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motion on the subject. As he had then stated, it ap- doing this was not merely to take the sense of that night he mold not hut look with
greAt itor
Reformer, be felt anxious, for, should i' prove enfavea
peared to him that the distresses did not arise from the House on the subject of the late proceedings, but to
able, it would prove what had long been ref( le,iL
state of the law, in which case a specific remedy might drive the present Atittisters out of power. And lie did
leant of sympathy on the part of the House with 'fel: pro.
easily be provided. At the same time if it appeared not wish this from the paltry object of putting his own
vie. It would tend to exasperate the public—it :oak-
that it would be more grateful to the miuds of the Coontry 'friends into their places, but from a hope that a change
4o away all hope of relief from Parliament, and
and to the House, to institute an inquiry into the censewould produce a change of measures. He had
of the evils, he would most cheerfully give it lois %most' no feelings on the subject of a personal natirre. He felt them possible to acts of desperation. With thee. vu,e,se."
cordial support and countenance. Ile should, however,' himself to be so totally unfit for public business, that he of the importance of the question, he bail ;teat Die - ailiid
feel it his duty, before die inquiry was gone tutu,tutu,to hail always determined to accept no office neuter any ad- in seconding the motion of his Noble Friend. '
snake himself clearly understood, as otherwise much in- miniet rit Even should his friends come into power The intestine being put from the chair,
Mr. ISATHCILST ruse. lie said he hal nothing
jury might he done to the 'Country frous their going in- to-morrow, without attempting in some way or other, to
to complain of in the manlier in which this qurstia:,
to the Committee with a m'sunderataioling of each other's put the principle of Parliamentary Reform into action,
intentions and views. It would he must requisite that he would not support n
th It was of no eunseqnence
y Lad been brought for Lard. as the speeches by which
the Conntry should understand that there slid not mist to him in what bands e lioverament of the countr
any reesonable expectation of being able to provide a alsooldfall, an long as the spirit of that Government it had been introdueeil were entitled to the praise of
remedy fur evils, which were dependent un causes .be- were temperate towards the people. That the peoi.:',- of moilera•i in and candour. It appeared that the ob'eet
vond the eontroul of the Legislature of the Contilry. this country deserted well of their rulers, let their late
of the motion was to procore the removal of his SI
When the motion for a Committee was made, it would be conduct testify ! For his own part, he thought it was 5-
iesty'e 11i.iiater*. and, as a necessary i•onsequenre, a
more proper that he shuttlit explain his own views on iiispoasible to admire too much the good conduct, fur-
ariortis in Parliament. In eloerino upon a Mews i
the subject, and in the gain's with which hr should desire bearence, oral peaceable behaviour, combine I with their "
to go hen the Coinniittee. generous and disinteri•sted efforts in behalf or a defence he wasart. clearly to state„
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.if the consist •t of Min:stet+, i I I
Mr. GOOCII then said, that after the answer which less % °man, which the people of this country had exhi• that he ,hid not ne•itis to appeal for any justilicatioe
the Noble Lord had been pleased to make, he shuald bited throughout tlio wieder of the late fermented in I 4 a!, it c ttttt het to the measures allotted by the Mile,
feel it to be his ditty, if nu lion. Member more emu- the pithlic mind. The Noble Lord opposite(Castlerraeh) I try o f I Oita, with respect to the Princess of Wale+,
petent to the task should come forward, to bring the ',sad announced his intention of meeting this motion by ;',,r he felt if their proceedings had n 4 been oil.
matter before the Howie at an early period, the previous question; lint lie eincerely trusted di. • , k
ticiently Mithorizeil by their own merits, na coo.' •,
VON OCCT OF MINISTERS. House would not consoennnee ends a proceeding. Th.. ; • .
:tramp with the had measures of any other men
The Marquis of TAVISTOUti, iii rising pnrsuant ao Noble Marquis then moved. that the Hower come to hit
notice, to must a Resolution expressive of the opinien following Resolution :—."that it is the opinion of this aught to shelter them. Ihe Right Hon.GenCeman
of that (ouse, sin the useaseres which had lately agi- llonse, that his alajeatv'e Mildaters, in 'marking de then proceeded to enter into a defence of the conduct of•
tilted the country, confessed that he had never felt so measures which led to the late proetoolinals against tlii• Ministers. If reports reached the ears of Ministers in.
touch his incapacity to do justice to ally question which Queen, were nut justified by any political expeilieni•y : ',tritons to the character of her Majesty, was i: not pre•
he hail ever hail the lionisitr isf bringing before that and that their eimiluct has been productive of conse• per that some pains should be taken to ascertain the .
House. The discussion, however, whi.•ll had when piece quiences derogatory from the dieni.y of the Crown, and troth of those rumours? The reasons employed for this
on the subject in the vett:ors-, amt within these few days injtiriens to the hest interests of the country.'' purpose were Well calculated to carry it properly Wee '
in that House, left hilt! lint little to say. Anil after these Mr..LASIBTON seconded the motion. l'he Resole ..tfect. After a dee inquiry, the result of their examine. .;
diectissiona he really thought there was nothing suture tion proposed by his Noble Friend bail a is-eidetic) Coots being laid before the Ministers, they had no alter.
wanted than a resolution of that House, expressive of which he really hoped and believed weedil allay the letter than to advise some proceedings to be instituted, ,
the universal feelino of the cousiminify, from one end of irritation which hail been excited in the 'isnots of the in order to show that the King or the country world ma
the empire to the oilier. When lie reflected on the wis- station, and tend to vesture their court letter in that Con- lank with indifference on such misconduct. Hot oho.
dam of that House in passing a former resolution, tie- stitution, which *toe maintained had been violated from ever might be the opinions of Ministers as to the news-
claritig that the late proceedings were " derogatory from the commenceinent to the end of those proceedings ad- sity of proceedings upon -abstract grounds of morality,
the dignity of the Crown, and injurious to the best in- verted to ill the Resolution. The chararter of his they had no alternative to pursue than to proceed image
terests of the nation," lie could not help itolulging a Noble Friend, and the attachment which he knew he diately against her, when she "ought to be recognised as i
confident hope that the Moose, and ',infield:Ay the ' lied to liberty, were (motor.) to have induced loins to the Queen Consort of this couutry. A cosurenise sou
Honoprable Aleitile•r for Breather (Mr. Wilberforce) support any motion he could bring forward, vs itliont proposed with a view, if possible, to avoid this inquiry—
%void,' look upon the motion lie was about to make as thinking it neceseary to +tate any reasons of lii. own. without, at the same time, being intended to conveys/I
the necessary consequence of that resolution. It did in., It now appeared with a full knowledge of all the mi. adinission of innocence. Bride respect to the arm proposed
deed appear that diet prediction was completely Teethed. device that were subsequently brought before the Moue the Members bail reason to believe that it would maim
The dignity of the Crown and the Interesnesethe Oben- of Lords, and with the advantage of a persould interview been unacceptable. It was not true that her Wajrsty's ern
try had been more deeply itijiired than could hare been with 3lejoechl, who was at Carlton House the day that ling her foot in England, was the range of the promotes( '
contemplated. Its adverting to the past lie would eh- the King died, in the month of February last, the Noble against her. Bat the placing her-...1f in a saltation is
stain, as touch as possible, trona all allusions to what Lord opposite had stated in his place, that her present which she must necessarily seek to he recognised as the
hail passed in the other Honer. He would confine lima- Majesty, *shout he designated a highs Personage, !meld Queen Consort of England in the full possession of her
self to the 40-entail of Ministers—conduct which, in be pet to no inconvenience. Stich sentiments had the right•andilignities,left noalternative to Minintersbutei-
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every society iiiili which ho hail mingled, lie had found Noble Lord avowed, and yet the next despatcher' from thertograntherthatrecogaitionor toproeeedagainst her. e
tell versally and itni•quirocally censured. 'The result of the Queen at Rouse, contained conipleints in cons.- They had always shown the utmost reluctance to this step,
that night's prie•eedings would shirty whether the feel- qnence of the treatment she received. It turned nut a reluctance which had been sanctioned by that House. As
'togs of that floese were in waists)) with doom of the tothsepiently that this repression of kindness toward,' to the resolution of his Hon. Friend, .the Member ler
country at large. lie should not go far back in the his- her Majeety Was onlycontlitional to her rem siningabroad. Bomber, which declares! that the inquiry most prow
tory of the dineen, nor dwell upon the hardships she had The Hun. tientleman then went over the history of the derogatory from the dignity of the Crown, and injantres
sulkers!, or Attempt to cootrast the present conduct of proceedings wills respect to her Majest, from the nits- to the best interests of the nation, he would take it apes
her persecutors %%ills their conduct in the days of her shin of Lord litoettinsen till her arrival its i•sesgland, him to say, that his Hots. Friend never meant that user
prosperity, when she had the happitiess to li.sye a pro- and sliewribed Slinisti•ra, when they found their offers no circumstances should the inquiry be proceeded is.
teeter on the Throne. This was all Isi•fore the foothill% rejected, and their threats despised, to have entered If such were the view of that Honourable Gentleman,
l'he Act hy which her name had been .truck rout of the with feeline+ of resentment into that inquiry, which and if such were the view of the majority of that Hesse
Liturgy hail been discussed and decided on by the House, had previously been described to be derogatory to the who voted with him, why did they afterwards negative
and he *Add not attempt to offer any observations of dignity of the Crown, and therefore injurious to the a proposal wbiels had for its object to get rid of the pro-
his own, which could only tend to weaken the able ar- best interests of the ronntry.—Thet inquiry had done ceedings altogether. That the inquiry must priding
aliments whirl' had been ailvatice3 on all side., and more to relax the morality of' the people, and alienate evil no one could dray—for there was scarcely any trial
' especially by a Learned tlentleusan opposite (Mi. their atiectiona from their Monarch, than could have but bad its evil effects upon the mind. The Bight Hos.
Wetherell). He hail been 'Alight front his earliest been accomplished by any other means. The ilee:•nt Gentleman then proceeded to argue, that, however dis-
'lays to reverenci• that goblets rule of justice which or- veil whirls had before been thrown, as if be onivereal gusting were the details in the Queen's case, it tea
domed, that where there ices doubt, the se-cused ought consent, over the frailties of Royalty, had Icy the con- necessary to have it brought forward. Any proctediage
to hare the benefit of it ; and he thought that the con• duct of 31inisters been rudely torn asunder ; the errors instituted against a member of the Renal Family mad. .
' duct of the Ministi•rs was not only unjust, hut had been of the past had been brought to light, and there was be derogatory froiu the dignity of the 'Crown ; ld e*:
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nrodnetive of the most pure anti unqualified 'Molder. scarcely a member of the Royal Family who had not the cause of truth and justice was a permanent
Ile could not say that he regretted the decision of the . been ladtl tip to the ridicule of the multitude in pan-' deration.—(Hear, hear.)—ilia Majesty's Weida:: •
. ' Howie of Commons on this subject the other night, for' Oleos and caricature'', whose watiderines, but for the . done every thing in their power to come to smisaw i
, I he thought it one of the storest indications of thee:online. I cunr:a pursued against the Queen, might have been 1 rangement with her Majesty, which should preelebtho ''
of that necessary reform in Parliament, by whirl. alonel for ever buried in oblivion. If this doctrine of recri• 1 necessity of the late investigation. but it ler; all to SO
• ' the salvation of ii.' conotry could be nehieved. Whops-II I urination had hem, acted upon by her, who might have i purpose. At the time the negociation with her hall
on this subject. that the table of that Howie would soon I used it most powerfully if she had not abstained front I been undertaken. the subject matter of the acrusefints
be so covered with petitions from every parish in the I doing so in a spirit of forbearance, which he trust-1 against her was only known by rumour, for the Oludi•
I ' country, as to render it impossible to resist lions, and at led the rejection of the late Bill would serve , rulers had not yet helm given to the public. He was
I 1 length to render that House the true organ of public .to confirm and strengthen, he verily believed j ready to admit that some very strong objections agaimt
• opinion to the Throne, to the total dieconstiture of Mi. -that at this moment the t °unity might have been re• ; a Hill of Pains and Penalties might he urged: but dere
Meters, lie now begged the attention of the House to ! dewed to a state of civil iliwention. 'rile inquiry had ' were occasions in which a Bill of that nature was au'
- the period when a lireen Bag was laid by the Ministers deluged die country with details tied ought not to have voidahle. lie wag much surprised to hear it mild 1.1
of tue Crown before the two Bowies of Parliament, and met the pohlie eye. lie would ask any man olio heard Honourable Gentleman on the oilier slide, that Wei -
• proceeded to wave due pernicious steps -of hlitsistert isa,..kies, if Ise had not Leon owes anxious to hide front thej Queen, even after she WIN artinitted, hail been deprive
that affair, till the Bill of Pains and Penalties was with• members of his family everynewapaper which contained I, of her rights. This, be would take leave to sari wall
strewn. The public then, said the Noble Lord, nowt a report of the priweeilinga in the House of Lords.— not correct. The Queen at this moment enjoyed
P rOnhilelitly hoped that the abandonment of the Bill Anil by tvliat sort of nitnesses were the charges support- all the rights to which she was entitled as glift",
, would set the ,pti.stiott at rest for ever. But contrary to ell ? fly waiters, rhambermaite h and wretches or the Consort ; but it ought to he understood that t"''
F this weli-grounile.l expectation, her Majesty did not ea. most elLndoneil character. In a ease where a defective insertion of her nama in the Liturgy was not aiming
bee we iambi
r joy the po+seotion of those rights an I privileges to which and rotten character was the prineipul charge against those rights which she tmb! claim. B• ,
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i she was legally entitled. But the Noble Lord sipposite her Majesty, why were they not as careful to inquire next collect the sehstanee of the Right lion- arnt'etil, a,f • 4
talked about technical lir:.. ileaea; and he pees t .1 to into the character of those witnesses as to swallow the wools. from the low tone in which he delivered hontsere .$
) tell the country that lie had a right ro art as if the Bill tales that they had told ! Why did they not call as wit- we found him contetidin a that, from the ri/I:"' lir
I' had pawed. Of all the iloctrini•s he had ever heard, nesses those reapecothle individuals whit, bad been about of the 11$0(le of trial, which :vomited a 16;7•':"" a iiii,t.
V that of a right to whisper away the eliarocter of any per- her 3lajesty'a person at the Paine time with those who tinctive* chewier. the se and reedinr of the oil
son that had been acquitted wise the west snonstroos. lie wen. examined, awl who still remained in her service ? amounted to a verdict of guilty. What toot: ware %the . „,.
n protested against this new principle of the Noble Lord, Did they think that treachery alone deserved credit ? segliently so th;st rveof had tl4) reference whatry.''r t0.,0
who told them, that after acquittal he was entitled to, Did they think that faithful service would disqualify quegrion of the Queen's relit or inaneeore• 'le ' I
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set against an innocent person, as though she was a cots- from giving hones: evidence ? 'floe cunr,esporaliett had Jeclanstions made by the lion. Getitlrnir'i nn the lit" /
yicteil criminal. He sl.atild adhere to the maxim of pre- disgusted the country. They were disgusted with the able were quite incotisissent, namely, that the noandosi•
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' stinting that all were innocent till proved guilty. But Milan Commiseion, as it appeared those who formed it mem of the Bill amonnted to an aequittal anal that , li
if there was any line of cunilnet more flagrantly ittijitat were employed to collect evidence for die purpose of ac. acquittal was ranged he whit Owe wi•re pleaseil.toris..,
ti than another, it wits refusing to acknowledge die inno- mutation, and not for the discovers- of truth. Fur the the voice of the people.—(llear, iwar.) —Wit?' 11".1 IL._
f eence of one who had been tried and acquitted. The acts of that inquisitorial tribunal Ministers bad yet to demand an acquittal MI the rind:" "tiPPIP4 Ifrt:77.
✓ Noble Lord said, that the Queen was trying to erect. answer for. Evers, petition received called for an ingiti- courts of Law, and not upon the rilltiPb. ..! the' 11.1
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1 a great power its the State against the Cesistitntion, ry into its proreeffings, and lie trusted that it would conviction ? Dill :ivy isle. of them tome t."r73,1 11,,;
and the prerogatives of the liinx, and yet the soon take place. Ile doubted mot the Noble turd was assert, from the moral impreasion ',p.m hp' win ;Irma
'' Noble Loral himself proposed to give her fifty thou- prepared to contend that the course whirl, hail been the Queen was limo/vet f .i•;or Itiglil II". lirni that
sand pounds per annum, for a provision to sustinu her in taken now with respect to the Queen was more just than rawhide,' Milne ftirther ails-err iti"" ha st3lL.l'c't!ajit,,,
such practices. If this were proved against die Queen,. that pnrsned in 16116. On that question he stionlit he !bin,. %void,' no; sanction the prrsent 11"1"11 if .ri
d I she onglit to be impeached• But this kind of language happy to meet the Noble Lord, hot that lie onset remark bre d that his M; jeny•s Ministers its-re rot afloat
e I was slot what Ministers held Witte the production of was not the qaestion now Won- the House, and what- bey 'any:
'the um 'They reedier'.
o 1 ...... %at one time told them, that either the! ever the proceedings of JOBS might have been, the pro- necessity of the eaSe, ill fringing for pee
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.- ! Bill must pass, or the Queen be acquitted of every charge phi' of Regt,elia would never be of opinion that one act which, Ise was ready to admit, had etieroached ores"'
✓ a,,,,,ainst her : and yet, nistWithatesieling !Isis assarani4 to 'of injustice timid be sanctioned by another. For the Weal (reline," of the country.
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d the country, made hy the first Minister in that Halite,: late proceedings in the other Howie of Parliament,
e they now Osumi that the Qnsom was not lei-etre! In•the: knew Ministers were not rollset ti II
"I- "a Y responsible, every man to stand forwent upon a que+:loc • _ .4,
a manner that had been held out. Was this, be elicit,' meets as they might he in unison with their ow feel'hi eNntait' I"
d the conduct of bliniNtera fit to govern this nation? NO i i but they were answerable for refining list ofthe g a - whivh was now twine the iitm4e. 111-won .
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it was the tontine' of tarn worths' of temorieing Prom ' nesse': for leithliolding a is/m.601.0M0 ofthe 000fineo es eons Iwo
charges; the Honer his views of the hate pro, ... , O4
n legs, tier 'affected the vital intrrests of thertonairy 0i -
t- day to day npon the newt shallow policy. 'file lime I for the obstrurtion of witnesses. and for minting, thy as poosible. mild elm the groats& urn "i'lr'.l. ib .'14!;,..61L.
)- : 111::N: come whea they wenld he obliged to 'image their i iuterference of the Herman Courts to the prejudice of . tel obliged to vote for the snotissu 01 hits '' I#lc .
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