The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-06-14 00:00:00

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connected with its wel-
roiliest the support. of such
Church of Ireland lathe system
I to that of Scotland. He
that the measure be was
likely to be eficonraged by
neral commutation of tithes.
indoubtedly was not upon that
pledge himself to oppose evert
--Maims. His measure ear
mast be permitted to soy,
general measure. ought to;
acquainted with the sob-
introdtmo it. He did mot
'commutation, if in that I
taking away of property
.trout over it. lint he was
Mon which essentially in-
,tary consent of those whose
y it. Without, however, dis-
.estion, he hoped he might ate
forward tha present, a mi•s•te,
his introducing one of al
this hope he would pro-
' present Bill. Tithes be
a private property. and
good a tiny as that of
The tithes of Ireland

Perry whom be considered
in` the exceptionable con-
composing • part of it. These
s with t*. a general merit of
therefore approached the
other private property.—
propose would, he belie.v•
at preemie attending the
d he datteted himself it
ifficient to induce the con-
affected by it. The demands
, be tbonglit, in general en.
he admitted that there
deviation from the general
to be regretted that the
the necessity of collecting
classes. This was not the
-ers of tithe* were gene-
At all events, the tithes
rly when compared with
too often necessary to J.
The tithe, too, was paid
ibutors. To illustrate this
one parish (which he as.
elected) in which there
per annum. It might,
, well as the inclination of
much as possible of that
Ilect, but by legal enforce-
from the great number of
'fon reduced to the alter-
is of supporting himself and
I proceedings to enforce the
Mr. H.) should propose that
the power of leasing his
this lease should Lied his
also unnecessary to etete,
tithe lease was binding
and the person who was
to guard wind partial
therefore introduced Wee-
the taking of any fine or
those leases. To ressody
e present system, lie pro-
.be entered• isto with the
Ithe land, as well as the oc-
tenhat there were at present
existing incooleents and
..nenta did sot come with-
toogh it bad been found
Is to quietism, and that
in the districts in which
Jewels it was proposed
art, the whole object of the
of hostility between the is-
He had been told that there
bill on the part of the gentry
I Ireland; but he trnsted be
jostle@ to believe that his in-
trusted so the more, because
• ultimate measure which
ith a view to the general
as that question he thought
to ascertain the value of
There were however, many
ad; though he thooglit they
fled. Indeed, he believed
(Sir Jobe Newport, we
interest in the affairs of
ti.'s) principle; and that
to as easy commutation
principle of general coin-
happy to hear any proposision
the rights of the clergy or
property.—(Hear.)-11s-
rams his bill so that it
. with the views of any Hon.
meanie. The Right lion.
we to bring in a hill to en-
grant leases to bind their

was glad to find that this
been taken up by Govern-
great evils ; and he bad for
to bring them under the seri-
The present question was
ir, candid and liberal man-
itleinan.—(Hear.)—But the
1)r of a more general nature
admitted the general liberality
• were nusisy eases of
of the present law. Ile
ii hardship ; and lie held in
Tpenses, amounting to Isl.
. amounted to only I Is. And
,ithes were something inure
He had beard much about
rots to prevent new comers, and
keep down the rent of lend.—
ight be made valid in the way
proposed without interfering with the general measure
q; commutation. T? commutation he was satisfied the
Clergy of Ireland bad no objection, and he had received
many, letters frem intelligent Irish Clergymen express-
ing their sentiments on this subject. It was the in s
o the Clergy to have a general measure relative to the
fillies; and if the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. (Millburn)
wished to introduce sorb a measure, he had nothing to
4o but consult the clergy as to the forgo of it He
-siuce the Honse not to agree to the Bill pro-
which he was sure would he inefficient,
other being introduced. He thought
to pursue wits for the High! Hon. lien-
till next Sesalon before he slid • thinr

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In.
t. • immaiumulwato++
fabric which was so inifesately coo
' . fare; (Waller 411d•he hope toineet
as would approximate tbeChnrcb of
whielitinireexisted witb regard to t
4 . Aunktlead Oven to understand that
. 1 iffiest to introduce was not likely I
Milt who whaled for a general co
i i .1' e measure in question undoubted
ibeiple ; but lie did not pledge hi
•
re of general committatioi
braced other objects; and he must
• . 'di/Athos'', who advocated the genet
r.;. la Intimately and extensively (wpm
:, ject: before they ventured to intro(
4-' advocate a general measure of eon
1 term was iacludeol the forcibly tak
- by Attie who had no legal controu'
an advocate for that commutation
' l' chided the )ement. the voluntary el
righti Were to he affected by it. IV
cllO3ll, soo extensive a qnestion, he
li W sense that his bringing forward tl
'wskenre, won not 'preclude his
"mote general nature : •and in this
1 • ' coed fo state the mutiny of his pre*
'considered as an ancient and a 1
• derited from as ancient and as goo
.• any other species of property. TI
'were held by a class of 11. e clergy
In be respectable, notwithstanding t
! elnct of mask- individnals comp:aim
ittceptions did not interfere with I
4 hit clergy as a body. He there
• ohject as he would any other
. remedy he intended to props
eh, r • My many of the evils at p!
I ' tithe system of Ireland; and hi
II Wouldhi cound to contain 'officio
'vet of theme who were to be affecte
'Ottlte Clergy of Ireland were, be 0
torcr4with mildness, though he 1
Were partidular instanres of deviati
ride. In this respect it was to be
I clergy of legend were under the n,
Leir flogs from the poorer classes,
i emit leilßoglied, where the payers
rally petit/us of some capital. At 1
of England were paid willingly w
those of Ireland, where it was too e
nand them byjegal m aaaaa re. TI
Ily • number of petty contributor(
statement, he would refer to one p
se:reti the house he bad not selects
were CVOS persons to par 400/. per
Pn (may , be the duty as well
torelerginan, to remit, as much
I,s tithe, which he could not collect, '1
peat; yet the clergyman. from tl
.!, small contributors, was too often ro
if naliverof giving up the means of en
his (study, or of taking legal prove
1? payment of his tithes. lie (Mr. G.
. ' tl:e incumbent should have the p,
~ s tithes for 21 years, and that this le
. . t successor. It was therefore also t
that under thepresent law, a titho
miry on the. living incumbent, and
to pay. He inteoJcil however to g
11 , or fraudulent leases, and haoi there)
tual provision% for preventing the I
i peeno;oint for the granting of those
. other evils which attended the prn
I posed that the leases might be en
freeholder and ffiveraioner of the la.
copier. lie "Weld also statenbat
; . !masiyartsnslurePwsta caisti
proprietorsc • else 'reim pose!!
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In the proteddoold any law, thoag
that they enadaced very mach to
.."•-• ~_ - there was *nenl tranquillity in ti
o they prevelhd. These arrangemeo
to cosirin.—(Hear.)—lo abort, th,
' bill was to remove every case of hp
camber& end his parishioner. He hi
Would be of jections to this bill on
ll' : and the landed prop:deists of !fele!
Should be doing them an in...notice
forftiatiotl wits correct. He trostef
this hill Would. not impede any ulti
* ought be thought advisable, with a
I Subject of commutation. Upon tits
V' the wain difficulty would he to as
A the thing to he commuted. There
oo different opinions on this bead; th,
might be ultimately reconciled.
that a Right Hun. tientleman (Sir
. i believe)) who took so great an bite!
• helind, agreed trith tie (Mr. O.'s,
the leasing system would lead to a,
of tithes in general. Upon the pris
i mutation, be should be happy to h
• *.liirli did not go to violate the rip
' I those of prints ecclesiastical pro
;:: • deed lie bad heed careful to frame
i (*Wald not possibly interfere with
itlemher as to the general measure
• Gentleman then moved for leave ti
able eclesiastical persons to grant
att •et‘tors..
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Sir HENRY PARNELL was g
important subject had at least bee!
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11 went.yietairusv:oldvgd "eaviotairneY:i gtorebarti
o i ei
oils at en ion of Ministers. The
brought forward in a most fair, c,
per, by the Right Hon. °winos
evil itself required a remedy of a
I' . than that proposed. He admitted
. of the Irish Clergy, but there wet
sidual hardship arising out of
knew many cases of individual ha
his hastl a receipt for has expens
pia by a mac whose tithes missal
yet it happened that the tithes
than the rent of the land. He ha
. • combinations among tenants to p
; ;his tended very mach to keep do
I
lie agreed that cases might be t
proposed without interfering nil

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-.'". wished to imi.methe Hous not to agree to the Bill pro-
, 1 " posed to thin', which he was sure would he :nelficient.
I ', and prevent any other being introduced. lie thought
' the best course to pursue wits for the Right Hon. tiro-
,
I Crum to trait till next Stll3loo before he slid any thing
on the subject, when be wool.' he better eeriii,into I
with the sentiments of the Clergy and people of Ire-
land, who best understood their covio interests. He
hoped therefore, he would not press this Bill, and
thereby divide those who were otherwiee willing to so;,
, .
port him.
, Sir J. NEWPORT thought the Bill altogether in-
I ~',- efficient. lie wee coofidestibst the Parochial Clergy
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iii were not those who oppressed the people of Ire/and by
. their tithes; end he knew that the greatest abuses ex-
istrd in those parts where the rectorial tithes wile the
property of the MAO.' The eneenstents of this Bill.
therefore, were not at all suited to the evils of the case.
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