The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-03-14 00:00:00

Tl-1 P: FA.' I' ES.I4AN:

toy Member was fully satisfied with the afters- rangement *4l left principally to him, but lee Was
of the Magistrates to this duty since Monday suddenly ceilid•ssff on receiving infermation of, dans
1. So disturbance had since taken place in the gerous riots ist. other parts of the, town. 4.l!there
•abouthood of the House, and there was no com- had been atty-Fault, it was a mere error of judgment:
„f of protection for Members, an- but the congdt• of the 'Magistrates in general was
:r part of the city they had all to lament, thnt in marked by thegreatest zeal and alacrity in the axe-
, oufortuttate instance it had been necessary to call cution of their'sluty.
ow military power. As he conceived that the Mr. WIIIII'BREAD said that it had been by no
:gips' object vs hich the House had in view, in means his intention to lump all the Magistrates to.
for the examination of the Magistrates, was ;tether in his charges, although the Right Hon. Gen-
..:,l„ined, he thought that it was unnecessary to tleman had thnupt that the lumping them altogether
ny further notice of the subject, and that it was the best way of defending them.
~01,11;e better that the unfortunate .occurrences of Mr. lIIMMEHSLEY thought that some steps
„sould be buried in oblivion. He, there- ought to be taken by the House, in consequence of
, that the order for the attendance of the those disgraceful oeuurre.rees.
~;5•• be discharged!. i Mr. BEJ f't ER hove testimony to the
. ,
lIT Mt Fat D was sorryto be under the exertions that lie.nitnesams in the constables on tat
,„it, of bringing back. to the recollection of the evening.
11. evidence which wens taken on the night in Sir C. MONCK was not aware, that in the late
from the nature and eifect of which he con- riots the mob had shown troy disposition to burn
the inotion of the Bight lion. Gentleman, for houses or destroy lives. There nal, however, a
alder being discharged, was by no menus such a verdict now held out against those who defended
Min as the House could agree to, with.a due re- houses, and. be had not heard of any one person
to its own character and interests.—[(feat !]— beingarrPstrd•who attacked them.
,e eight Hots. Gentleman, however, hail not con- • Mr. H. A DDINGTON said that there were at
le.l himself with merely moving, that the order least 10 persons now in confinement, in consequence
„Id he discharged, but had intimated thot the • of those riots.• •
igistrates were without blame; and, by a panegyric' Mr. WROTTESLEY thought to some of the
a their subsequent conduct, seemed desirous of •Magistrates tonte',degree of blame attached. He
once wiping out all recollection of their .prertioeai thought tbae some-tponitory advice, at least, should
-dings. Now, what was the real history of the isbe given 644410 to have more method in
m„stioe? With repect to the precautions taken, : his arratigometils fotlliejtippression of riots helve
veil the nart of the Secretary a Stales Ind' -that of.; t.teee. -.llo4kobete,,Sehas. Irßothe remits hid beets
spea nothing Fuld have been more proper 'alma ht the'beginning of the tumults,
crelisebteto their aigilance; but, unfortunately, ; they would have been snore easily suppressed. As
lose precautions were rendered'nugatory by the con- he had 50 constables in attendance, he did not see
tof the Magistrates to whom the execution of the why he should rely entirely on the Bow.street Ma-
ulers given was intrusted. Notice, it was seen, had • gistrates. The conduct of Mr. Baker was certainly
given to the High Bailiff of the possibility of a ' entitled to every praise. When he saw what things
lame, and of the propriety of his being prepared were written on all the walls, he could have no
ith proper assistants to prevent as much as possible doubt but that the police, with moderate vigilnoce;
pemicious effects. But what was his conduct ? • might he able to detect some of the instigators of
by he issued summonses in the usual way for eighty ; those riots.
persons to attend, of whom about forty obeyed his ; Mr. 11. ADDINGTON said, that the admonition
sanuons. lie had no account of those persons, recommended by the Hon. Gent. had been, in fact,
however, and seemed to have adopted no •method given to the High Bailiff, the day after those occurs
with regard to their organization, and not one of ; settees. He had been recommended to adopt a more,
the witnesses nlio were examined seemed to have ob- ! methodical arrangement for the future.
served the existence of any outrage, at a moment when I Alderman ATKINS stated, that on a former oc-
one Member of the House justly complained of being casion when the peace of Westminster was disturbed
nearly rode over by a dragoon. He thought the by serious riots, he found it almost impossible to col-
:414111y which had been displayed on this occasion lect above 50 constables at one time. Although he
si.ould form a subject for a very rigorous enquiry, as summoned many, yet they, in general, sent excuses,
Se eras convinced, if the constables, of whom it at). and he had no means of punishing them.
paged not less than one hundred and•fifty were in , After some further conversation, the question for
saendauce, hid been properly mustered and judici- discharging the Order was put, and carried without
cash' directed, at an early hour in the afternoon, all a division.
necessity for the interference of tke military would ;
Lee been obviated—[hear, hear .1] —and if it was
rot probable, it was, at least, possible, that all the
thsgrareful scenes which had taken place would have
beret presented. Under this impression he could not
concur in the vote which had been proposed by the
Right lion. Gent., of passing over conduct lightly,
silich tie could not but view with great jealousy in
ver.ons to whom the protection of the House %ac
intrUgNi. lie !hon.ht, with a view to the time to
~ne, it was est.ential that something like the distil>.
rovlistlon of the House towttsda the conduct of the
Yisbistiatea should he nernifested.
Mr. BAT i RST stated, that the High Bsniff had
trui.g:it a coesideratsle number of his own m.tistables
to the itrotection of the Members ; but that „hen the
Police Magistrates at-lived, he relied on them for the
t:,:iagement of tee Civil Power. At the very
however, when the Civil Officers were
guarding' the aseinies of that House, riots were taking
h:ace in other pouts of the town. The Civil Officers,
•,owever, were not Sufficiently numerous both to ro-
ta, the avenues to that House, and also to protect
'':embers coming down to that House, from the dif-
ferent parts of the town in which they resided.
Mr. WYNNE thought that the reason far post-
poning the discussion on Monday was, that tile coil.
tinuance cf it would be detaining the Magistrates
from the etec,:tiott of their duty. Ile certainly
thought that not the slightest blame could be attached
the Secretary of State, but it was evident t..at
in some part of the Civil Power there had beet' a Ie-

TREATY OF CHAUMONT.

Mr. F. DOUGLAS was astonished to find that no
-,inson had y Pt been taken into custody on account
el the psoceedifigs on Mouthy. It was extraordi-
truy tltat such disgraceful pi oceedings should take
I.l4eno%ithout any person being likely to be punished

Mr. BENNE 1"1. concurred in the commercial
opening with Synth America. But he wished to
know how the political relations of this country
stood between the Old and the New NVorld. Ile
wished to enquire whether any mediation was ten-
dered betmeee this ci untry and Spain, relative to
the revolt (jostihAle as he conceived it to be) of the
Spanish colonies in S,mih Americo. The desolation
in the latter country was horrible. Evi,ty engine
which power and ctuelly could invent, was browitt
to bear agLinst the inhabitants. But the principal
point to whioh he wished to advert, was the aid which
this country afforded Spain in her Trans-Atlantic ex-
peditions. lie was far from suppoFit,g that this
country bad a right to take a part in the dissensions
betmeen the two countries; but he knew that it had
no right to afford succour to one of the parties.—
Now he did know that at Cadiz every tri,:terial which
constituted an expedition, had been sent forward,
even under the eye of Sir Henry Wellesley, to effect
the subjugation of South America, and that the equip-
ment was at the expense of this country. Ile also
knew that the Pattiots of South America was refused
protection by our Officers at Coracna and Trinidad,
and that they found it with the Black Prince Petion,
at Sr. Domingo. The Honourable Gentleman warmly
urged the ill-timed character of this policy, and
could not refrain from asking who was the Minister
who dared to advise such a policy ? Who also dared
to advise the transmission of the Order of the Garter
to the King of Spain, and the acceptance, by the
Prince Regent, of the S,,anish Order of the Golden
Fleece ? What was, in fact, he would ask, the
nature of the existing Treaty between the two coun-

Mr. LOCKHART certainly did not wish for any
ensure on the Magistrates upon the present occa-
sion. Ile believed, however, that it would be right
to fern) some better provision for the security of the
yeare is fotore. He should wish to see youtrg, vigor.
res. 4iirl healthy constables, iirstead of marry of the
de..ayerl, and decrepid persons that be 431 V nit
widly last, who • wet e evidently unfit for the
fatigues arol hazards of such service. Even those old
and feeble ptrseris ha.l the vanity to be jealous of one
another, mid the Bow-street constables and others
could not agree among themselves. Ile thought that
there ought to be arrangements for calling out the -
Irouseholders to suppress tumults of this nature, be-
fore they had got to an alarming head. Ile ttrought
this the inure necessary at a lime when Juries had in
their verdicts thought proper to promulgate abstract
Opinions, which they called law, but which was
nothing like law. As to a soldier's using the weapon
in hi, hands to repel an attack, it did not depend
upon any abstract principles to say what that offence
waz : it depended altogether on the peculiar circum-
stances of the case. The law says, that if a man
truirig a deadly weapon in his hand, only uses it ill a
"so of extreme necessity, and when he is driven to
the wail, it is not murder. Lord Nlanstield laid dow u
the sane doct:ine es applied to the military. Ile,
therefore, conceived it extremely dangerous that ab-
stract opinions like what he had stated, should be
maw promulgated to the country as the law.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON thought that it would be
hard to pass a censure on the Magistrates, for not
made the best possible or, augement on the
irst day of the riots. The Chief Magistrate of Bow-
street had been in attendance that day at the Office
'd the Secretary of State, but on beinq informed of
ttle t.,multuous proceedings in the avenues leading to
the House, voluntarily repaired there, from his zeal
to et:Assets those tumults. When be came) the in.

tries ?
The CIIANCELLOIt of the IaCIIIc:QUiEIi
thought tee ,:uestions of the lion. Gentle Man so re-
mote from the subject before them, that be would
only deliver an answer to one of the points which
had been urged; namely, that of the mediation of this
country between Spain and her colonies. It had

dose so; but he denied.that, after .giving liberty to
the ad World,' it had lint itself-to the siihjuga:
lion of the New. With the latter it should be the
wish of this country to stand well—yet It had also
an obligation to maintain' with the former; hot he
denied putt it had interfered in' aiding Spain against
her Colonies.
Mr. WHITBREAD thought it essential to ascer-
tain how far aid had been given by this country to
the present detestable Government of Spain, in the
expedition to her Colonies.' Had arms, equipments,
and military stores been forwarded through• the eta
ertions of t Is country, to quell the justifiable reedit
(as he she tt it) of the Colonies towards Spilt ?
It
It was of importance to know this fact. It was MO
essential 14) know who invested Ferdinand VII. with
the Ordettff the Garter, who was himself, in.fact, a
usurper Against the Cortes, who gave -him regal
power. And more material still to ascertain who
advised thi/ Pritice Regent to admit the interchange
of mutual friendship by accepting the Order of the
Goldeif Fleece. .
'the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. dis-
avowed that illy such assistance had been givri to
Spain, fol,the subjugation of South America.—With
referent* io the treaty with the King of 'Spain, it had
been executed according to the acknowledged forms
which the Corte's recognized.
Mr. BENNETT repeated, that such supplies had
bean sent from Cadiz.
Aldernstes ATKINS enquired, whether it was
ietend • to abolish the South Sea Company alto-
ge!her. • ....
The ... ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
A,
plied in negative; bet the intention was to take
the monopoly nut of its hands.
Mr. PONSONBY thought the question was one
of great importance, and the measure was of that
character, to which he would not easily assent, with-
out the previous consent of the parties, whose in-
terest it affects: Without at all ;Omitting that they
should trench upon the existing treaty with Spain
(which ought to be held inviolable), he could not
overlook the deep interest which this country ought
to keep in sight, with reference to South America.
I Mr. WYNNE complained of the breach of hospi-
-1 tality cojnmitted at Trinidad and Coracoa, and could
not see Row this conduct was recoucileable to the
pretended neutrality of the British Government. He
was surprised that the Right Hon. Gentleman should
treat the Order of the Garter as a mere ceremony.
It was a distinction sgtsieh had not only been courted
by but refused to foreign Princes during the present
reign. It had been refused both to the late wild the
present Kings of Sweden, and had net been before
worn by any Spanish. Monarch since Philip IL
On a question from Mr. WHITBREAD, relative
'to any interference on the part of this country, in
In answer to a question from Mr. WHITBREAD, favour of the Spanish fugitives confined at .Ceuta,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
stated, that he hoped the Treaty would be prepared, stated, that no opportunity would be lost to make
and laid before the House to-morrow. such an interference effectunl.
Mr. WHITBREAD hoped it would also be' A long conversation then ensued between Mr.
printed. : Finlay, Alderman Atkins, and other Members, upon
SMITH sEA ACT. ' the differeot Resolutions moved by the CHANCEL-
The CHA NCELLC R of the EXCHEQUER A.Olt of the EXCHEQUER, who stated in eXplana-.
moved the Order of the Day for the House resolving tioe, that it toss not intended to impose the new ex-
i et° a Committee of the whole on the South Sea Act. port ditty. of 2 per cent. on the exportation of fo-
Tbe Right Hots. Gentleman then entered into ass his- reign linens, that a duty on export was preferred to
t mica! retrosVeit of tae South Sea Company since' one upon import, because the tatter was already
its formation its the oth year of the reign of Queen sufficiently burtlionod, and that' it was not intended
Antic, to the present period. They possessed ori- that the duties collected under this Act should be
v,lnally the exclusive privilege of trading to all coup- i perpetual, but that they were to he limited entirely
tries lying bets% een the Riser Oronooko and Cape Ito the creation of the fund for discharging the claims
Horn, and on tho whole west coasts of America.— i the company.
It was matter of notoriety that the company had not
prospered, and the ohject of the present measure
was to obtain a surrender of the exclusive privilege,
to be purchased by n compensensation which he ap-
prehended would entail little or no burthen on the
country. The stock of the Company amounted to
3.500,0001., beating an interest of 3 per cent., to
%hick was to be added a small fund, on which an In-
terest of (lute half per cent. was payable. For the
discharge of these sums he had to propose the .estit-
blishment of a guarantee fund, to be provided by a
tonnage duty of Is. tid.. arid on export duty on goods
shipped to South A tuelica, of 2 per cent. He did
not (Idols tl:e British tvetchant would consider this
as too Isttgo a comities allot' for the advantages re-
sultiog from sot open trade with South America.—
..Should those duties prove tttlequate to the purpose,
the public would be at no charge whatever in this re-
moval of a Yen. inconvenient obstruction.

WAYS AND MEANS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the further consideration of the adjourned
Report of the Committee of Ways and Means.
Mr. TIERNEY did not rise to enter into any
thing like a general view of the financial plan sub-
mitted by the Right Hon. Gentleman. What' he
wished to understand was, upon what ground he
was now asked to consent to an amount of Ways
and Means so much larger than the supply that had
been voted previous to the recess. A supply of
21,000,0001., including the army and navy, had
been voted ; and towards providing this, the sum of
18,000,0001. had been raised. He could readily see,
therefore, why it was proposed to continue the war
taxes to the amount of 6,000,0001., but the Ways
and 'Means now proposed amounted to a much larger
som. It arts his belief that, under the last Act for
raising Exchequer Bills, Government bad issued
them to a very great extent, and had taken credit
for aids to be afterwards voted by Parliament ; and
that the present Budget contained some of these aids.
lie bad stated before the recess his apprehension that
the Chancellor of the Exchequer was then taking
credit for the Property Tax this year, and was pro-
posing to issue Bills on the credit of aids not yet
granted, and not then in contemplation., In no
former Acts were Ministers empowered to issue Ex-
chequer Bilis to an unlimited amount, and he trusted
the !louse would not agree to any further IVays end
Means before they knew how Ministers had used this
power, and what was the amount of Bills that had
been issued from the Exchequer. At present there
was no ground whatever laid to induce the House to
agree to the new taxes beyond what he admitted to
be an able view of finance, and an entertaining
speech from the Right lion. Gentleman.
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
entirely concurred in the principle, that no sum
voted as Ways and Means should ever exceed the
amount voted previously in supply ; and he hoped
to satisfy the House .and the Right Hen. Gentle.
man, that he had now proposed no such irregularity.
The Right Hon; Gentleman, in his statement of the
sums voted by the House in the early put of the
I tiesaiOn' 'had omitted the sums for making good old
ExChequer Bills,'of 12,500,0001. and of 15,000,0001.
making a joint sum of 27,500,0001., and a total of
j 51 million and a half of supply for the pres:nat year.
I—To meet this 'charge 31,000,0001. of Ways and
! Means had been granted, leaving a sum of twenty
millions to be provided for. He was pettedly ready
to admit, that the Exchequer ought trot to antici.
pate taxes before they were voted : but the taxes he
now proposed amounted only to between nine and
`ten trillions, of which about 3,500,0001. were new,
and the remainder the•former War Taxes.
Mr. TIERNEY contended, that a great issue of
Exchequer Bills had been made, which depeeded en-
tirely on the credit of alds not yet grove& /he-
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