The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-08-24 00:00:00

Lord Lavotamar..—Was this oonvertation
CoPer& at Milan before the witness went to Vienna. ot
steer hi• cetera from Vienna ?—Before be went to
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thistles, Majoeci was ordered to withdraw.
'the Arrostraw-Gananax then called Lis neat nit-

Did-witness aeconspany the Princess
Jerusalem ?—Yes.
Daring that journi,e did this
tlay ?--Thee trarell all nig§t,
They rested tinting t hoot of
When they rested in the day.
tent was raised after they
war from Jerusalem.
At tl-' did

Diemen rose to put some questions upon the
tole ifre,before the witness wit thorn.
Of *hut religion was the witness I.—A Catholic
Ayegiviic Roman.
Wheu did he last take the •scrament ?
The ATTOANIIT-OHNFRAL objected to this gttestion.
The Loss CHANCELLOR was of opibion that this
"tertian ought not to he asked.

At what tent Bergand
were raised. we dined. In ono
Princess. In this tent was placed
a piece of matting like this (pointing ..
another ked.
Does he know who slept in that tent ?-1 km, the
Princess slept there, because her bed was there; bet 1
know not about the oth►rs,.as I myself went to bed.
►►'here (1;11 Ilergami sleep thwit - the day ?--I deal

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Mr. DENMAN 'aid he understood hr should be able to,log
know, as I went to dinner i but I fiery—
Mr Ihtstmsx interposed. The witness has given a
show that no oath was binding upon persons professing I ; • • •
complete answer to the question. Any sperniathon be
1h e religion of the witness, unless they had taken the sa- might entertain, which his fancy or imagination nosy
1 rament within a certsin time. It it should appear surest. cannot be received as evidence in say Cont.
that the witness had not co taken it, he apprehended calling( itself a Court of Justice.
it would be an objection iv liminie to the e‘ilience of The ATTORNEY-GENERAL contended that the whets
this I.vitness. answer given by the witness to the interpreter 'Wahl
The Loao CHANCELLOR decided that this question !be first hes ril---their Lordships would then judge llthe-
ther it was to be received as evidence or not.
suight not to b. put. and the witness was sworn. i Mr. Darrid tr.—The witness has glees a full ask
The Arroaxst-OaraisAL proceeded to examine him. 'to the question. The interpreter was about to stale
Of what cowry was be?--11e was a native of . speculation of the witness, which no man could conies
Naples. i weer to he received as evidence.
What was his occupation ?---Ile was Captain of a , The Louse CIIANt ELLOR—Unlev. we know the whole
matchaninsan.
of the answer which the witness has given to the inter-
• peeler, it is impossible to say whether it Is evidence or

Was be part owner of the vessel which he command-
ed 7—Yes.
What was his share ?---One-fourth.
Was be in the month of April, l'l6. mare of a ship
commanded by a person of the name of Cargiatio ?----
Yea.
What wan the sire of the vessel ?----shout 300 tons.
Does be reintornbcr the Princess of Wales coming on
hoard that ship at Angnsta in Sicily?----Ile does.
To what place did the vessel sail from Augusta ?—To
Oinegiendi, where there was not sufficient water for the
slitzied from thence to Tunis.
be know the names of those who accompanied
her Rival Hightail's ?—Alrnost all of them.
Let the witness mention the names of those whom hr
reimilett..—There was a certain Bartholomo
Count Schiawani, William Austin, Theodore, Carlini,
a. d Ceceo the cook (Cecco being an abbreviation of
rancisco.)
Were there any females 7 —1 believe the Conntess Oldi
was there; there were two maids, Dumont and Brunetta,
and a little child named Vittorina.
When he first sailed from Augusta to Tunis, whether
he knows the situation of the cabinet appropriated to
the Princess and Madame Oldi's sleeping room ?—The
cabinet was'clivided Into two parts. On the right hand
was the bed of her Royal Highness, and on the left that
of the Coontess Oldi.
Wu there a dining cabinet outside this ?—Theta me.
Dots he know where I3ergami's cahieet was the'
first cabinet on the right hand immediately beyond the
dicing room.
T4e Interpreter said, he did not know whether he
meant beyond it in a straight line, or towards one of the
sides.
Ask Wm that.—The witness described the situation
of the cabinets upon the table. Time whole length of
the ship seat divided Into two nearly equal parts. The
two lateral parts were divided into small cabinets. One
of these small cabinets which was most near the poop,
ard near the dining room, was that of Bergami.
Did the dining room extend along the whole breadth
of the ship?
Mr. DENNAM objected to this way of putting the gees-
ties. Instead of asking to what point of the ship the
Axing roam extended, the Attorney-lieneral led the
ritness to the affirmative answer which was expected
f• am him.
The A'ToaNav-Otvrset. denied that it was a leading
wiestion, and contended that it would he utterly impos-
sible to examine a witness, if Counsel were confined to
the test, which Mr. Demises) laid down. Ile was aware
that he was not entitled to ask whether the dining room
d:d not extend along the whole breadth of the ship,
that course would be permitted in cross-examt-

not.
Mr. DENNI4N—lint, my Led, should it not be eel•
deuce. consider the effect.
The interpreter repeated the former answer—l don't
know, as I went to dinner ; but I imagine—
Mr. Dem:ism—Stop. 'My Lords, such evidence can-
not, according to the clear and known principles of
British law, be received in any Court of Justice.
The Loan (.11ANCIILLOR-I'he witness could not be
stopped until their Lordships knew he had stated what
could not he received as evidence. In my opinion the
ment it was communicated that he was about to state
what he imergiuctl, and not what he bwrr, be should ant
be allowed to proceed. It is for their Lordships to
decide.
The remaining part of the an- wee. adverting to the
fancies and speculations of the witness, was consequently
suppressed.
Did you ever see Rergami reposing antler any tent
—(lt was inipossihle for the Reporter, from the rapidity
of the Interpreter, to learn accurately the answer ; some
said it was "often," others " no."
When at Jerusalem, were you present at any church
ceremony ?—I was.
Was the Princess present ?—She Iraq.
What was the (Tremont. Austin, and
fichiavani, were made Knights of the Holy Sepulobre.
Is that a Catholic Order ?—lt is ; it has something to
do with the holy sacraments.
Whilst at Jerusalem, was any other Order conferred
on Bergami ?—Yes.
Did you remain at Jerusalem with the Princess or
return before her to Jaffa ?—I went to Jaffa before her.
Did you embark at Jaffa on board the same ship with
the Princess and her suite ?-1 (lid.
After vou left Jaff.e, was any tent made on the deck of
the vessel?—There was.
Was that tent closed at night?—lt was.
Was any sofa or bed plated nosier runt tent ?
There was a sofa and small bed, the same u woo Won
need.
How were they placed under the tent ?—They made
an angle with a little distance to pass.
Have you ever assisted to close that tent at night ?
Yes.
Who was in the tent when you assisted to close it?—
The Princess, liergaini, and some person belonging to
her Royal Highness's suite.
Have yon ever seen it raised in the morning ?—Yes.
Whom hare you seen then ?—For the most part, the
Princess, Brigand, and the child.
When you saw Berpmi. how was lie deemed ?—He
had his lower dress on, and above a Grecian espote--a
species of morning gown—what was called a fog's, wit►
long sl
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cation.
flo LORD CISANCRI.LoR gni

IVO you ever

stirgestell that the qttestion
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n *ght he !tot in form—" flow much of the breadth
o. the ship did the dining room oa•cups i"

bare.
For how low

Mr. DICXMAY 'acquiesced- in this mode of putting the
question. It entirely removed the objection to which
the AttorneyOrneral's question was liable.
The witness replied, that it extended along the whole
breadth of the ship.
To what place did the witness sail from Tunis ?
To Malta.
After the witness left Tunis. did Bergami continue
to sleep in the cabinet in which he had slept before,
or did he sleep in any other part of the vessel ?—His
bed was removed into the dining room specially (pirs
perticolanwesete) towards the right hand. of the dining
room.
Was the right hand side of the dining cabinet TI Meer
or farther from the Princess's room than the left heed
side?—The chamber of the Princess was on the right
hand side, and therefore the right hand side of the
dining room was nearer to the Princess's chamber.
Whereabouts was the door leading into the Princess's
bed roots ?—The MOM of the Princess had a door lead-
ing into the dining room, and the bed room had madam
door of cos ssiasicatioa with the chamber of the DON
01Heitaewv.
Was this door within the chamber of the Prisons ?
Yes. the chamber of the Princess was divided Into two,
chambers, one for the Princess, and the other for the
Anse d'ffressintr, by a pointed canvas. Beyond this
'was a partition, in which was the door of cononn.
nication.
When 'impairs bed was removed from the dinin-
room, how far was it from the door which into the
Priocess's bed-room ?—There was a wooden partition,
which separated it from the rest of the ship on one side,
sad sear tiw canvass on the left hand was the bed of
the Princess. Nearly In the middle of the partition was
a door which led from the room of the Princess into
the dining-room. On the right hand in this dishes-
room at a proper distance was situated the bed Of Ori-
gami.
If the door were open,could a person in the Ma=
bed see &rimers bed 2—Why nog? in
Con a person might be in Btu's bed, 170,11 asst
help seeing the bed of the MINN 1111106 door wif
open. Belt a person might stood op Ip•ihmgassi's hod
tit such a position as act to see the Med the Prioress;
if he stood upright be could not me. bpi is any other
position he mess see it, as it was in thrum' line.
Bow .say doors were there from iB9 passage Is the
middle lute the diainprooms ?—Two deers.
After the ship sailed front Tunis, Mae one of thine,
dews sieved t—Yes. it was nonstop.
Attila' this, was there one esteem° or more into the
dieing-newt frees that passage ?--Onesther deer.
what -places did the witness sail, after Ise'
Tessin 1-IPreat Tunis thry_ pretiesistl to
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in the room where there were five persons, the coo.;
sevellambyfiri7:xed at—Moist; eilliftedesiaa, be:
he follow ?—He is a pilot I Theodore, and others whom Ido aot know. I
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as an officer. l'attentioa to dun&
Did you sup together afterwards ?
night. 1 took tea.
On what day rid you ease over from Diopp
Brighton ?—,Yesterslay I arrived. It was Totals
Mrsst
I set out
hton. B from Dieppe, and in the esouiro.
rig
Mr. Dersams asked this witness no further q •
Mr. Knotronaw trusted that his Learned Need...
himself might be held as reserving the right sßsie es
cross-examine any witnesses that might have left
Lordships' Bar, if, at a future periodof the p
the should see occasion to do so. •
The Lotto CHANCELLOR observed, that their ilia.
ships would judge for themselves, on any occasieu
ing such as that alluded to by the Learned Gental,,
and would do whatever justice might seem to regain..
The ATTORNET-GINESIAL begged to ask the 16t.
nesses two or three questions arising oat of the emu.
examination.
Have you not an interest in a ship which you id
Messina ?—Yes.
What sise is your ship ?-269 tons.
Is not the allowance of $OO dollars a 'stoat's, ,yid,
you talked of, paid for the value of the unemployed slay
—for demurrage ?—Yes.
Is that, in your judgment, more than as adespuu
compensation for the loss which you sustain in sow
quence of the ship's being uneutployed?-1 amino
know whether you mean as compensation for the
or for labour?
For the ship's being unemployed for the tine:--h
000 dollars are not for the mere hire of the ship sad the
crew as carriers, but for what we might derive fro. ow
own trading. We might lose by trading, but we aright
gain a great deal.
Taking those circumstances into ronsideration, is tie
stipulated sous more than an asleqnate compensation':—
I cannot tell. If my speculation were w succeed, I
should gain more. But if my speculation were to kit,
I might lose more.
By Earl GRET.-11 wish to know where the witnew's
ship is now?----1 left her at lessiiia.
Was it about to sail on auy other voyage when the
witness left Messina?---No.
Mast the ship remain unemployed daring the wit.
ness's absence do not know.
Is it not probable that he may he seat oat by the other
proprietors so the usual trade?--Why not. They nay
put another Captain in her and seed ha MIL That
would hurt my business.
Then I am to understand that the eampesssfies Is for
the witness's absence, and not for the ship's beiag name-
ployed ?—For leaving the ship, aid fer losing that
which we might make by our trade.
Has the witness any share, as a proprietor, of the
fourth part of the ship, In the profits wade by any auk
in his absence?—After deducting the espersees of the
vessel, the fourth part of what is made by freight's
given me ; bat none of what may be derived by the
other proprietors from the profit of 'pentodes' is
trade.
Then I am to understand that the witnessabasa slew
in the profits of the freight, but not in the profits of as
merchandise?---1 have no share in the prella a Ile
merchandise, as I am not present.
le the voyage from Jaffa. how away sass
usually ou deck at a time, at night ?—Half the me
on watch for four hours. The other half were la
Then I am tq understand that only ten at
sailors were on deck at a time at night?—lV
When there was bad weather all the crew
deck.
Were those who were on the deck in the be I
walking up and down ?—Except the man at the.
and some who were shoat the horses. the others
about.

same name ?—Yes, certainly,

aboard the ship 7—Yes,
pilot.
. crew consist ?-0( twee-

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ty-two.
These sailors were constantly employed in mancnover-
lug the s►ip ?—They were hob employed in manceaver-
ing (be ship and in the service of the Princess.
Hoe you seen any of them lately ?—Yes.
Warns"

t—Vinoengis Oerdnao, die maser of the ship.
Hive you seen no other of the crew lately ?—No.
Hare you seen any of them within half a year ?—Two
months ago t saw a sailor, but during the last six
nsataths, as Messina is a thoroughfare, I saw others of
this on board different ships.
What's the name of the man you saw two months ago?
...fraocisco Camfors.
Where did you see him?—At Messina.
The gun that you spoke of was on the deck ?-0n the
deck.
Tho bench near the mainmast was on the deck ?—Yes,
because it formed part of a trap-door.
The crew bad access to all parts of the deck at all
t)mos?—As soon as the tent war closed, nobody could
Ass the part of the deck occupied by the tent, but all
di* other parts were

open.
Were vOn tier at Milan ?—NOw, in my way here (to
England.)
Then yott Shame to England from Sicily, by the way
of Milan came by sea from Messina to Naples, from
Naples by land to Milan, thence to Paris, Dieppe, and
Nam Brighton to London.
Was that the first time yon were at Milan ?—Yes.
Who first applied to you to come here ?—The English
Vice- Consul at 31essina.
Wiles was it he applied to you ??--Towards the 4lth
or 43th of last month July.
Was that the first time that you were desired to give
evidence on this subject?---Yes.
Did you go to the Consul, or the Consul to you ?—The
Consul sent to me. because he was charged to do so by
the Minister at Naples.
What are you to hare for coming here ?—For what I
have lost it is very little.
Whet is it that you are to have ?—For coming I must
receive as a compensation for my ship and trade eight
Awaited dollars per month.
What is the value of the dollar ?.-The Interpreter an-
swered it varies from 4s. 3d. to 4s. Csd.
Did you pay your own travelling expences?-11 have
paid nothing; I came with time courier. I was obliged
or forced to come by the Neapolitan Minister. I myself
was not willing, but was obR,-ed to come by means of
the tioverrussent.
Who was that courier ?--From Naples to Milan I came
with the courier Nicolai ; and from Milan, with Mr.
Crouse.
How did yon travel; was it a state coach or diligence?
—I came in a hired carriage, hired by the courier.
Could any other person engage a or seat in that
carriage?—These questions are userete The Minister
delivered me to the courier, who delivered me to Colonel
Browne at Milan, to whom he delivered a letter. Col.
Browne delivered me to Mr. Crouse.
How lona did von stay at Milan ?—1 hare not mg me-
morandum book about me; bat not mote than two or
throe days.
Where did you live these two or three days ?—At
an inn.
How often did you see Col. Browne at Milan ?—First
when we delivered the INdir, and the second time wheam
we took leave.
Did you see a person of the name of Bergredi ?—{We
could not ascertain this 11311Ie rorrectly.J—l do not know
that name at all; that name never before reached
or ears.
Did you see any one there who examined you_and
took down what you said ?—Yes ; at Milan.
What was his name ?—There were present Colonel
Browne, two persons, a waiter, and myself, who made
the fifth.
Did Col. Browne, ?--Just like

put any gotions to you
that Oesdeussa (piating vi
to Mr. Cooper) he told me to
mil the troth.

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Were you sworn by the Cross of Christ 7-1 took no
mitts by the Cross. I was not at all asked. 1 am ready

Was there a passage by which the sailors cativo&
pad the tent?—The teat occupied link more thuled
the bireadtb of the ship.
Was there a passage by the side of the teat Grassi
tad of the ship to the other ?—On one side of the tut
there was. On the other there was not, as thefts
peached to the side of the ship.
Were the men in the habit of passing the tent dm*
the night ?—Whenever they had occasion to pies obey
passed. When they were not required to do so by lay
duty, thpy remained on the forecastle.
The Marquis of LANIDOWN—The witness has sail.
that when her Royal Highness, Bergami, and the att.
were at the tent he was sometimes told to go away. To
what other part of the deck did he go ?—Accordiarto
what was demanded of me.
What did the Captain order hiss to do—to go below,
or what ?--Sometimes be told me to go to the cabille
sometimes to the forecastle, to take care the sailors did ,
not make a noise in the *hip.
When the Captain told the witress to remove. ode
soy other persons near the tent where her Royal High
mess, Bergami, and the Captain were?--1 wool we
was divided from them, though sometimes oily ar as
bog boat.

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In wisat part of the reseal were the bench Imd the
of which the witness spoke?—ln the middle tithe
At the time the witness was directed by the
to remove from the part of the deck where.be, her
Highness, and Bergand were, were there other penal
who remained near that part of the deck ?—As sees as
I went away I did not know what was passing.
The witness mast know if he left any body. Ws
any body else suffered to remain when the visages ass
directed to go awn y ?--Before I wept away? All al-
terwards I do not know any thing about.
That's the time. At the moment I went sway wir
thing was ordered, and I could not pay attention to
was done or who remained.
At the time her Royal Highness and Bergami WO!
reclining on the tent, was the weather calm et staler t
was summer-time and fine weather.
Was there much motion in the vessel ?--There ttWe
light summer ain. There was hardly any OW to ado
a motion. It was calm. The ship did not more.
By the Bad of Rositesaat —ln the royaice to Jail,
the witness has said there was a roonninnicatioa fns
the tent. Was it to the ship below, or only to a
miler place froevrhich there was no other exit ?---rei
describe it.--(The witness took op a rim to make se,
of the place.)—Do their Lordships wish for a drawls'
of a part or of the whole deck ?
What 1 want to know is, if there was any assismasi.
cation from the teat to any part of the ship; and. if sk
to what part ?—(The whams made a drawing with Pee
and ink. sad it was handed into the hassle.)
Frees the test, ea placed. wee there MI
get to the likdefraseen ?-Ifles ; there is another pmet
which I have twarbel. is little higher yr.
The witness bee ilisailred the
posiues of her Roal
Highness and Legacy
_es the gun. Was than 11
edam persons bus bisiesif capable of 'Mat that pm'
Aiwa—Yea. A part of the crew inie
des* taking the air. sod they might see if they chesa.,...
Dees the witness *shallot I. whet part el the OW
Theodore naked slept awing the verge ?—TOI ,
bed a plum assiviedltitn saga lkaameeli tit the salsL.
he possible Astra what poles' theln" sersin tied he mad Ds. es 1111"
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winces upon that Atilt toilitt ?--blot all, but the sew
You yiess area Neapolitan
r teasel by aright sr by I! Re you lire wow ?-1 a
it, sod part of the day. few u Sather is fixed there.
the slay.. What business or trade does is
were any tents erected? in the Royal Nave, and ranks as
• left Nazareth, a little Anima asarriid?—No.
MS yen always had tbe same
rest ?—When the tests' I sec* ihibged my name.
tof these teats was the Wee your name well known a
ed au iron bed, and epos by all the crew who knew else pi
'toting to the door), was Oftow many persons did the e