The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-09-07 00:00:00

Did yea par any of his Royal Highness's drafts ?
—llia floral Highness was out accactrined to draw in
his ow, Waal
The certificate of Sacchi's coninet was then read.
It was dated Posaio, Nov. 5, 11116. 'ant neatly as
follows :—'Her Royal Highness the Princess of *ales
certifin to whomsoever It may concern, that Mr. Otis-
acppe Sarebi, waive of Como, haw been in the service
of her ilanyal.Highnemune year.'ap•to the date bereot,
first as a Contier, and afterwards as Equerry in all
which, Le was s most 'Vodkat person, and discharged
h; s duty with assiduity. teal, and fidtlite. lie was
.lischargsnl lot a inert .stessure of economy,. that preft-
retire being given to the elder servants of her Royal
Highness, which their long service sleserred.
Thel AT rousCT-OEMERAL rose to propose putting in
ns evidence the certificate given to Slajocci. He knew
that it was nut in the band-writing of her Royal High-
neia, but it was written by Schiavani, and it bore her
Royal Highness's seal. It stood in evidence, that
Sehiavani was the person who generally discharged
soseants, therefore hr would submit that this proof of
hit authority gave him a character under which the
certificate written by him .was admissible in evidence
to an act of her 'Royal Highness.
(Loud cries of withdraw.)
The Lord UnasceLtatt.---Order in the House.
After hearing Mr. DitOUGHAM and Mr. .ITTOIINZT-
ORNIISIII, 1/1.• ',PRO t•ri.i.ton declared his opi-
nion that anficiesst evidence hail not been Olefin to an-
thenticate the document in question, and the Attorney-
Ventral was then informed by his Lordship, that he
'veld nut Isepermitted to offer it in evidence.
Mr. AT roastav-tiesnut tt. now rose, and after pre-
traising the importance of the application hr WWI about
t,, make, stated tha: he had several witnesses to ex-
amine who were natives of Lugano. 'That theme wit-
nessei on their journey to Englund, for the purpose
of rising evidence on this tri4l, had heard reports of
the ill-treatment of the witnesses at Dover (the cireuto-
statuette attending which will be in the memory of our
readers). Them witnesses on hearing of the reports
we have alluded to, refused to clone to England, and
stopping at Beauvais near Park, went before a Magis-
trate there, and upoa oath, stated these reasons as the
cawse of their refit-ill to rocs :.) ills country. Upon
receiving this at collat. the Cretan loatri•r% sent after
the n ilite,se. its the LI rof vrtrkine: them, to assure
them that it soffaidesit esco7t should he provided to
protect theas. 'flee tueismger slid nut overtake them,
and the? had retstrneil Lugano. 31r. Atterney-
Veneta) stated. that he Lad every hope that their n it-
tr.ties woul•I arrive in this country in a few days, and
he therefore humbly moved a postponement of the trial,
such time us their Lordships should think fit.
Mr. Itnot.•:11 to • till that, even assuming all the state-
ment of Mr. Attorney-lieneral to be proved, he (Mr. B.)
shon1:1 vet 'span principle resist the pestpottement.—ln
ar ordin Ire trial it would never he pe tttt Rim!, and the
pri•.rner iu a court belate would he discharged, it the
Frost...tour failed to make out his ruse, an adjournment
wools' never lw peratitted.—ln fact, the Attorney-6e-
neral merely wanted to pleb up his case.
31s. DIENMAN followed 31r. Brougham, and repeat-
ed that the palp•ble (Nell of Hr. Attorney-General
WWI to patch up his case. lie was sure the House
would not put off the Queens def.nee if her Counsel
w •re ta say that her witnesse. were afraid to c•one to
F.::11a.ol lest they should I.e taken tip nutter the Alien
Ac f, and he theref•rc illot.ittell the House would not
listen to the application. In ft •t, the g:rottn,li of the
application were miser:tide excuses, awl -nth as wool,'
he 51:011ted in every or•litiary court of justice. His
Chem had lung enough endured the pett-
ier of calumny and dirt, and l:r really did hope that
the II would out load her with additional jujus-
lice.

--- -
Mr. .VrTORN —(ll:Nnit ‘l. complained that 11r. lh•o-
mar• inv.triabl}• husk adrantotge of every occasion n hails
presente.l itoelf far atldrevoing the House. to make a
d.•t•lamston' speeds. Ile had no wish to patch up the
.1 Ire witneshes in tptestiun wrre nut now wit-
nes•tes ; hut they la.ttl Lora prevented attending, in
rep ”sesinetiee o.f the treatment which the other witnesses
liad recei veil at ihtv••r.

or 1.0!:11 1N1•1.1.1.UM SligeeStCll that the grounds
of the. application should first he proved at the Bar of
the lied-v. in whirls suggestion he was joined by Lord
I.:verpoill.
Lord Faisatxr. declared, hr considered the application
as moo-arms% i so loot Albin upon t he course of justice, and
he evil...oily should oppose it.
The Loon (..11.‘NCCI.I.soii tliwicht it would be better (it
being fire o'cliwk) (it postpone the futiler consideration
of the snbjert toll to.intorrow.
The Part of (. %RNA IiVoN soolgested that some grooml
sight first to be laid for the porpoise of forming the
nto;ect of 111 l to- row ; at present there was
roototoz loot the application, without their knowing
to I if pr was to be offered in support of it.
The Loos/ (.11.0Nrrs.Loit said, it would be impossible
for bottoms strength to get throng+ this investigationa if
stotficiens intervals were not given between the days'
proeesolingit, portientarly with regard to himself, who
bait so malty ether matters to attend to.
Ile Earl tiara expressed his perfect willingnees that
the Nylolr awl Learned Lord 11 Id hate those intervals
of zeta :oion to which he was sa well entitled, hut it was
stowa essential in this ease, that before the Honor sepa-
rated there should be suitor understanding as to what
the nature of the proof was upon whirls this application
was to he supported; an application which 1 eotesiderell
to be contrary to all the prineiplet; of justice, and which
Ise hawed would not he agreed to by their Lordships.
As, however, this application was to hoe the %object of
di•-e.t.oriott to- 1111 l mow, it 1%.36 Of iliipairtallee that the
Ateaoney-lieneral st IQ lir called upon to state what
prowls he load to tiring forward in support of his appli-
ratios.. With regar.l to the cross-evaminatioo by the
goterit's Couns:l, it would lie satisfietury to the House
if doe Learned Attornry-lieneral for the Queen could
state whaler be should now finish his truss-examina-
tion, or whether he intended to postpone it till after the
aoljnoor 1111 l riot, whirl it was understood was to take place,
to enable her Majesty's Counsel to enter upon her
defence.
Vise kyronotav-ilassetat. being called upon by the
Lord Chancellor, stated that lie bad a copy of the prorrs
veriest drawn top at Beauvais, in which the apprelteosiona
of tin, parties were stated, as the reason for limir toot
then prorvinling to this cavort! ; and also the letter
mating that these witnesses were is set out from Wpm,
ohe total of Almost.
The'AisueTruit Umtata:. added. that they bad all the
ansteriale loporn widish, in the Cows below. Admits
ought be Amtatied, upon Web *A Nana' were in
the habit of poe_ tposing !Huh according to circum-
stances. It not boiler the
.portire to "make alholairlte in
that Home. pralines were -ready to swear its the venal
form et these affidavits, that they believed those wit-

neases to be material, and that they believed the facts
already stated to be trim.: ' •
Mr. Buounussa, beiis called upon by the Lord-Chan-
cellos'', observed, that their hordships would ..beuorare
hr could only; under present circumstances. state ityrs•
theticallY what .would be his 'epttrse as to the rrowes-
amination. Assuming, however, that the 'ease fur the
Bill was now dosed, hr should merely call back one of
the witnesses. and having put to him three or four toes.
tions, his craws-examination would be it an end.

• •

know• him.

Comm., haring been re-called, ,
Mr. Ilitoceu•st enquired if it was thelroLordstops
pleasure that he shenid ge.—{tio on, go- •11.)
VW you call witlithat yonng man at any honse ?—1
remesiber calling some where, but the young man war
gene Out twice the ceremony of the funeral.
Was that a large house don't know if it was
large or small, I knocked at the door and was told he
was not at home and went away.
Did you go to any other house?—Yes, becanse I had
another letter, hut I did not find him at home—we could
not Ind the house, we went here and there and could not
Intl the house.

.•
Did yoit theri not find him at home, or ch.! you sot
find the house ?-4/n that day we could not find the
place.
Then on that slay slid von go into any large house ?
How was I to know whether it was large or small, I
don't make observations of timings.
Did you go into a house that day that had a sentinel
at the door??
Ile want+ to know which day ?

Did you on any of those days, when you were accom-
panied by that laritiey de place. go into any house with
a sentinel at the door's—That was the first day of toy
arrival, for I ►vas told that was the door of the Court of
the King, for I had three or four letters for that house.
Did you go afterwards to that house ?—1 did.
Did you go several times ?—1
On those occasions did you go in and leave your !ae-
y►rry de place outside the door ?—The tiro time.
Did you, not'also leave him at the door on the other
6meg:l—What I remember is, that I left the larquey
once at the door.

Do you mean to say your lacquer• went into that
house with you lie afterward* came in I
can't tell; I loft him there.

Did you find him at the door when you came out
Wid 1 remember is, that 1 found him there when I
came out.

Did von once come out of that bouse with a gentle•
nein es.

MI you go with that gentleman to his chambers ?
No.

Mil you not ro with him somewhere'?—With this
gentleman I went no where.
Who was this gentleman ?—What 1 remember is 11r.
Powell.

Will you swear that you did not go with him to Mr.
Pow ell's l'hauaiers. I,incolu's•iun'r-I)id you not then
snake au appointment to go at six o'clock that evening ?
Yes, I

Did yon not go that evening according to the appoint-
ment did.

Now , in that great house, I understand you to say you
went several tim.•% baekn•ards and lanyards with your
!wive!, de place t-1 es.
yon not go once (ruin Mr. Powell's with a note
1 remember that.
Did you then go in and leave your lacquer outside ?
believe I did. but am ant sure.
On you know if this great house is Carlton How ?
don't hnow the name.

Were there pillars before the house?-1 know• that
people merit in by a small dour anti then there RAI a
porter.

Di.l von not see the pillars 7.—Tigre were some ancient
tirecian pillars.

Was there a dour inside ?—There was.
Dail you any conversation with Mr. Powell respect-
ing. your expenees?—yneroo non oil rirordo.
Did Mr. Powell say to you in presence of the la,inem
dr piece that money was no object, and that you might
have more if you wanted ?—No.
Did hr ever give yon any money
Do you wean to represent that yon never hail any!
conversation with 31r. Powell on the subject of the
laneess":—llow ; what do you mean.
Question repeated.
The witness appeare.l not to comprehend the question.
llas Signora Pnisile never spoken to yon about the
Queen spoke to use on the subject, at Milan, but
lie has never sluice.

Ditt you never see this letter before (chewing him a
lettee)l' —No: I don't knotn• how to read.
Ihi you know 3 rpm!' of the name of Lone—No.
Were yon ever in a t.tvrrt► when yott met tiayset•hi
—Yen; hut I don't know the name of the Tavern.

Do you know tlw mater of that tavern t—Ye', if I
were to we him I ,houlol.

Since your txatuitiation h re have you ever seen 31r.
Powell or hiA eierk I.—Yes, 1 have, lout l don't remem-
ber hereafter.

Ilow long were you with I at any one of those
times ?—I have seen Win only when 1 paid my respect 3
to him.

Look at this gentleman, (pointing to a gentleman
within filar) is he the moiler of the Wear

Ditl you ever employ him to write a Letter for you
to 31r. ?----Ves, he load written twice fur nee.

!Mundt, you know• tithe; of these letters if I were to
shell them to you ?--No.
Mr. 11:tot•on All submitted, he mi;•ht ask the witness
the instructions he had given fur the w►iting these
letters.
The 1.(01110 (.11ANVELLOA assented.

Did pin nut ingtruct 11r. Lung to write to Mr.
Blackwell, to the following effect :--
1 hare safely delivered the letter to your brother.
and he was quite well, .and desired to be kindly re.
meinbered to you."

1 told him to tt r tr to this effect :---
" I did not tinJ yuur brother at home, but I left
your letter ith hi. wire."
Did yon not add," I hare got a situation, and 1 nut
this night going off In Vienna 1"-1

Did you nut desire par kind regard to bp Elven to
several people, (naming thein):•—lies, I
rolled Mr.
Hughes's Brother, " I;rot,her," it stag a teem of friep,l.
ship.
Another passage in the letter, olio rooselittemee that.
ever. as it relineds this ease, was brought under the wit,
arts's rretallooties.

Did you ever propose to marry Mn. Blackwell ?-1

leaked to marry Mrs.Hughesi and ispei
oat tlat► la die House. (Peals of Laughter.)
Ware you ever at Paris in Idle?—Na.
Mr. B1101:011AN here intimated that be had no fursho
questious to ask this witness.
Ile-examined by Mr. Arroassey-fiavaass. :

On what occasion was it that the Napoleons to 'MA
you have been elasuined were sent you at Vienna
went as a courier.

Did yon receive any particular orders ?—Yes, to p
as quick as possible.
Were you to account fur these Napoleons ?-1i es.

Did you account for thew "r-1 did.
For what purpose did you take the note of
Powell, respecting w►ieh you have been questioned
To obtain a passport as far as I remember.

To what part of the house did you go ?-1 trent
.t.d
the street-door only.
How long did you stay on that occasion ?—Aboatkalf
au hour.
Where else did you go for a passport ?-4--To the-In.
trian AssibAssadur. 1 obtained the passport.
Who did you see at the great souse on that °end.%
--The footman and the tieruian who talked so ass

Did you ever see any one eke at that house ?—.A
handsome man who could not speak Italian, and nhe
spoke to me by signs.
For what purpose did you go to that housa?—To
carry a packet.

Did ion bring that packet over with you when via
came tt•ith Nr. Hyde c--Tr..
How many times did you call at tint Hoax ?
About three times.

For wind purpose did you go on the two other ec.
casions?--The second time to know whether there was
env answer to the packet; the third time 1 teal for the
same purpose.
Hy Lord ROOSIIERILT.—DiII you to alone
Dy E.srl liner.--You distinctly say you ran neither
read nor write?--1 can scarcely write my name:
nothing more.

His lordship referred to the witness's evidence on
his former examinatiou, when he said, In answer to a
question, " I can't give the date, because I hare nut
the book with one in which I minuted the ritroasstaorr:
To a iinestion from Lord (hey, witness replied, he
had no hook of any sort at all.—(A laughs Cries of
withdraw.)--Ilere the Interpreter heireed leave hum-
bly to sulmtit to their Lordships, that the wards, Ness
enf rir ,ru'i, which appeared so often Cl their Lord-
ships' jonrnals, admitted of various meanings.

Lord FL:miss it did not think that the witness should
be asked what he meant by those expressions be-
cause, it would be neeessary to go throegh the
whole of the evidence, iu order to apply to each i:s
proper signification.
Dries of withdraw.
lice witness withdrew.
The Manic:•is of Lossinowxc then rose to call
the attention of their Lowiships to a Letter which ap-
peared this morning in o-•e of the Papers, from Mr.
Marietta to his son, in which he stated, that Collier(
Browne hail threateued to enforce the Alien .hit
vilest him. Me shisaW not trouble their Lordships
with reading this letter. It has been pnblished in all
the journals in this town. and would probatly be pale.
lislied in all the journals in Erne. The object a his
rising was, to ask the Noble 14errl opposite, whether ibis
act was done under the sanction of His Majesty's tio-
vernment, and whether-this Colonel Browne WO all ac-
credited agent. This, it was of the utmost immixture
to know, because, if this act was done without the sanc-
tion of the tiovernment, Colonel Browne bad nesszal:-
ted La set of great state delinquency. And it berme
incumbent, on his Jainjrav's Ministers, to disavow. in In
fullest manner, any connection in the transaction.
Lord Ltrzerossi. then rose to assure their Lordships.
and he tt•as thankful to the Noble Marquis for the opps •
fortify he afforded him of informing theta, that be was
erholly unacquainted that such a person as Mr. Marietti
did exist in this country. Ile was aware of a geed•
wan of that name in Milan, but hod no knowledge what-
ever that snch a person lived here. From this einem-
stance it must appear to their Lordships that his Ma-
jesty's Ministers were ignorant of the transaction. Ile
felt no dilliettity in assnring their Lordships that Colosel
Browne was an accredited agent, and a more respectable
agent, he believed, there could not exist. And be.
Lewd Liverpool thourtit, that the letter of Mr. Marinetti
did not imply that such interference had actually takes
place on the part of Col. B. but that it merely proceeded
from parental solicitude—from the father to the son.
This. buwever, was only conjecture ; but from all the
eirentsistane^s of the ease, lie was aware their Lord-
ships mast be convinced, that the thivenment were
perfectly ignorant of the trattsactio i, and (veld mauve
them, with the fullest confidence, that it was the wish
of his Majesty's Ministers that futility should be
afforded to the Queen on the present fareasion.
Thr Martini* of LANsuon sn made a few obsern-
-4hosa, .w► mould Not hear.

Lord Ito 1.L.1S o said, that if the thirelellllett weetemth• •
to blame, nor Colonel Bronne) to Mater, that the Pit•
Banton' of 'treat Britain. and every one cosmetic& with
the Iluvernment of England were to blesne,thitt nastier
should exist on their bhokv, which mast striate,- ope-
rate to prevent ail for.iguers front towing fnewvel ta
give evidenre.
The .terroaxi:v4l4l.Nen.si,tlten rose and said, that Mr.
Brougham le„eing
Learned Colleague was prepared to proceed.
rotielmtell the raansinatioa, his
'Ehe SOL14.11TORAII: VIA then PIM and beggri
leave, before hr entered on she snbjeet, to okr a 10
remelts in jiptificaii.ot of himself and colleagues et
Gs rearm pursued since the romenciscarierut ed. the
present emptiry. The it hue tti the .‘ttoettertiet:ersl
erreiresi instructions to lac the 04h-we before, thy?
Lordships. the Attornev-tirseral, in conjanctien
with himself and c+ llets:7os. proreeJett to rse'll"
all the evidence is he 11.!tittrell is sappari cf
this Bill. They weieLsil awl examined all 40
every part of the evidemst they thouclst Wl'"
rim! to the presets! trial, without paying any iliwao
for ImPr"ti°"" or Winona• that might 1,40 0,44
against them. This they thought was 'lath 0141+66?
this, hr trusted, 'trey had dude fah'. the steaks,
cahieche had to chothat bu the pet vevoio
the hr tdight Out cuoccive shsrtNßartery Iryis Olt le