The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-06-03 00:00:00

oh y 1.4 rettencinnent.-,—(H^ar, bears. fions the Op-
:J.—ohm Henches.)-14entleiven might iry hear! hot
•i: !love retrenehtrents tie not made, it we.uld ratite
the alenaour of those tleatleniets ; but when they acre
r. eerie, it only excited their ridicule.. On the Staff
there was a trans:Con of 13,171/. la one elepa• tuicut
of the Staff there but beet an incriesse of two tieneral
tetiesers, vraiett increased the ravesroto-3,6241e. to he
off against the tedattioN pa the whole. On tie,.
Staff there had *beets a.m.e • reANiction : the
t, .:::Der of invalids had been cuedderably I. esened,
eraieh ditei:.seisleed ihe oreanary cupeni.es by 1,1901.
:AA the k ontingeot by thlei. On the lrisli Staff
I..ert bad then a ditterehee between the estinentes of
the la.t and the patent year of '4;2831. iuntiugencies
Since the estiesures were formed, itttnrrert
it wee fuuud nece*Aary to ince...wee the charge on th's
e.,..t.lWeneetit. In the eseimates for the Foreign Staff
been a redo •ti n of 1,1911/.---(Here the
NA!e Lord became so in ii lona as to be illiged to I
ts..e. his seat. He sheet!y after left the Muse.)
ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.--Mr. WAND said,
th-tt in consequence of the indkposition of the Noble
be *wild tale the opportunity of moving the
ordnance Estimate,. He should titst assure tie House, •

th.tt, in :hr Application of the altrady votrtl by

Iluu.e (,r this department, the strictest economy
Ltd been efter,:iNed. No doubt a great difference of
ociniun esisteil St. 4 to whet was necessary, awl what
I% 34 ow. nee..esqirs. Ile slioniti first state iu the llo.ise
ttiAt there wits an increase of 133.81111'. over the e‘ti-
mattes of last year. He shouill ilk lily the subject into

three distinit classes. '1 lie tirat e obi-aced all dried.,
of expentlitu.e produced in pursitin‘v of regulations
iestereel ion, by that House, and in pursti ince of law.
't lie second eadiraeed matters merely of arrangement,
not of ail The third coien!ehended artieles
addi.ion t the expences of the department, hut which
lie trusted, he could show to the House to have been
fieeessary. Under the first head was ioeludeil the
i..euts of the ordnance fo • military corps, which were
it in the power of the House to control. These to-
;.,ether anion ited to 10,0' o'., t.. which was to i.e add-
r i sum of 3,000 f. given in ;:ratnities to those who
r. A, in the civil department, cootineted theinselv,:s in
a manner to deserve these acknowlalgeur,mts of their
r::-tits. Bat the great fea tire of increase was the mi-
-1 :Canal hill par and sitperannuations, which amounted
to 41,0001.; bnt of this a sum of I0,i:00/. would go to
reray charges of broken periods in former years. The
addition, therefore, was tl.e difference between
t:.:1 sum and 11,001 E. Alto .cether, the amount of the
esimate for these two heads was 55,0' Of., which *a.l
t. t.f of tl.e azgreaate ex.-ess. The seeiiiitl head of
ex2etrli!nre embraced items rath ,r of arrangement
of formal addition to the estimates, soil were in-
s.ede.l under the head of civil charge', and charges
to. c ,ntingen.des. At first it was oh;erted, that no-
thing was m. 0., difficult than to form a 'lotion of the
ser.tingent expenses. It was, however, found not so
difficult as at first imagined. 'I he Noble Duke at the
head of the derai fluent, desirous of siteplifying the
a.,..:ount, thought that it would he better to move for a
sum a! once for cuatingeneies, instead of supplying
t! em oat of the suns voted for unprovided expenses.
and particn'arly as the accounts of contingencies did
hut come in for one. tiro, or sometimes three years to-
other. lUnd.r this head was incindel a variety of
Ai ticle4, such as bread, money, coals, and candles,
ate., which ant:muted to shunt 25,0001. A sum of
G or 7,1100/. was to be reiptired for the Trigon bole:ri-
co! snney. He said, that the object of this survey
tad list yet he -n obtained, hut it was necessary to con-
tinue the expenditure. The increase, therefore, by
the moon' of these two heads, came to 32,0110/. Un-
d:q. the great head of the debt of this department was
a sum C 440.000/. Nominally the amount was 40,000/.,
bat really it woul I be only 23,0901. for the service of
this part of the establishment. He should explain the
realms f the difference. The last vote under this
head of ex rime obtained, unwanted only to 20,0001.,
whereas the actual expen.lture was 35,000 f.; so
that the amount of the arrear of the last year being
aided to the amount of the estimates for this year,
caostituted the sum of 40,0:111/., which was required
n 'der the besot of expenditure on account of the
debt. The next and last class conipreheoded those
articles it beet constituted the addition to the ex-
penditure. 'I h •se amonnte Ito 7 or t1,000f., which
was to be ex, ended for the maintenance of several new
ilepots, in different parts of the country, for stores.
'i here were also several sums expended for the moving
of stores, amounting altogether to I I,ooof. Against
this excess was to be set u.t a saving in various parts
of the expenditure, which had been carried even to
personal in onvenienee. The saving consisted of the
suppression of 19 establishments in the army, averaging
each about 800 f. a-year. There were eight establish-
ments In the West Indies completely suppressed ;
eleven others In this ronntry were also broken up, each
of which cost about 3 or 4001. a-year. The saving from
these suppressions emounted, for the present year, to
5,0001. in the shape of expenses upon ordinary charges,
and upon extraordinary charges the saving amounted
to 11 or 12,01.10/. '1 he aggregate of all these savings
being deducted from the increase, left an excess, as he
had before stated, of 133,000 f. Having stated thus
tar, be did not know that it would be necessary for him
to detain the Committee any further. If he had omit-
ted any thing which might appear to require observa-
tion, he would be very happy to give all the explana-
tion in his power. He then moved, that a sum nut
exceeding 293,1194!. es. ed. he granted to his Majesty,
to defray the expens -a of the Ordnance Department fur
Ureat Britain and Ireland.

Mr. Hine said, that he slionld not follow Cie Hon.
tientleman thr.ingh the items of the estimates, to show
where there had hem an increase, and where a reduc-
tion, but be should merely Ismk to Litr total amount of
the estimates, mini compare it with t'.c total expendi-
tu eof farmer years. In 1819, there was no decrease
in the Ordnance Department ; on the contrary, the
txpemliture was increasing on every article. In that
yeir the total amount of the culinary expenses of the
department was 527,319 F. ht 1820, it increased to
548,000/. The extraordinary expenses of the former
year amounted to 220,924/. ; in 1920 they Increased
to 1100,389'., making a 4i!ferenco between thr two
)esrs of •0,080/. '1 be expense tur Ireland, in 1819,
was 101,0001.; i■ 1940, 111,9441. The aegrepte
repeal* of both coantries, under the head of Ordnance
Military Scoria. is 1919, was 819,000/. In 19i0,