The Statesman.
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that :louse. [llear.hcir !] Again, he had read
in the newspaimrs, that it had been stated, that
the Opposition had blamed the Ministers for nut
haring called nut the military force at a much ear.
tier period. - It was impossible this could have
been said, hecause nothing h:ul been further from,
their inventiwei or eXpresSiuos, than a recon►tnee
dation of calli.:g out the miltary, where the civil
power was Ile had also seen in the
newspapers, that some Members of the Ilouse
held oat that there was no public principle in it,
that the lolly object was plunder, lie. IS was
impossible they could have said this. 'lt liras Mu.
possible that three or four Members costa:lolw
said that they were the only honest men its the,
House, and that GM) Members were all rogues of
tilt, most notorious description. Gentlemen ought
not therefore to be rash in taking the statenientie of
ttevrspapers as a foundation for !bar 'ripened,.
As to the Peritiois the House opts to receive it
Ably to it• owe usages. .-!-; •

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agreeably - - .
Mr. WARDLE, adverting to the allatibm.ssf
the Right Him. Geitt'ocean , who spoke hist+ to
words wed by him at-the haw Westminster meet.
logs declared that ho made ao observation upon
that er any other occasion which ho was nut !oily
prepared to avow and to justify. He certainly
did say, as he Still thought, that that House had
nu right to commit for a libel, as Sir Francis Bur.
Jett had asserted and maintained by argument...-.
But he did not say, isecaase• he did not think so„
and he was at a loss to know in what publication
tech a sentiment was ascribed to him, that the
blioistetial party were better than that to which
the Right Honourable Gentleman belonged ; yet
be could not help expressing his snrprixe that,'
after all that Right ilosioarable'G'entknian and-
his" friends had said about thcalisconditet of Mi-'
ulster., they should .proclaim their readiness to,
tally round .those very Ministers upon the° com-
mittal of Sir Francis litirdett.• Such a sentiment
naturally provoked his censure; and he did com-
bine with that censure what ho really felt, that it
was a matter of indifference to the country by
•which of these parties that Howse was governed.
Such being his opinion, lee thought it his duty to
'declare it at a Meeting of )lectors, of which he
'inns one. Bot he did so without any disposition
lilt °timid the Right Honourable Gentleman or any
• Other person. lie did so in the discharge of a
''duty and in the exercise of a right which belonged
to him as an Elector ; which duty fie would never
;decline to perform ; which right he would •never
allow to lie dormant upon any similar occasion...-.
7Such occasions would, he hoped, frequently cc.
—our. linked bethought they could out occur ton
frequently, because it was for the .betieftt of the
people to hare a• requent opportunity•of express.
• ing Sick sentiments, and fur the beneet of that
House also to have an opportunity- of knowing
2' !host sentiments. The more frankly tense send.
1 •
.` atents were capressed, the nosfc he •shoold approve
of them. It Was• therefore hu approved of the
Petition frost the-Eteetora of- Weatininstem, and
' • it was therefore he approved of • thii Petition under
coniideratien, 'which he hoped thillyAllouse would
'out be to minify -at to reject.
• Mr. PONSON Eit f, that:* had seen the
pintieitceat ivhialiktheßight liOttinsiable Gentlemen
disavowed in several of the newspapers.
• Mr. WARDLE observed., thit he indstotiensi
•• Ochs sentiment ascribed to him in anyoewspapee„,
end- flaticd the tight Honourable Gentteusau was
{Seders Mistake. • •.
Mr. i'ONSONBY deflated that Ito repeated
nothing but what he hatead.
Sir J. AIISTRUtiIER urged the • opieloat
'which' he bid 'before eipreand that the "louse
uusht to isi• the privilege* et which some men
• would deprive • then, aK tiiiir authority .would
' tease. Ai to the-Miniiten,• he did say un a former
t. occasion, that' if they had an hereditary permaneat
tenure of their offices, he would Mill maintain
'them against the prineipits of those who contested
• the' virile& of that House. For certainly, if
• 77' thetiestion MOO put-to him, Whether he should
aiipport• !Wee -Ministers, however unfit for their,
• " Offices (mid of slat unfitness ho was fully per.•
_seeded), qr -Content 16 the direct overthrow of the
Conslituition, he could have •little hesitation in de.
tiding which course to- take, If there were no
• "other alternativerthan that Of supporting such Mi.
• ilisieri•witti all their inefficiency, or exposing the
etsuntry 'to the danger of rerolntion, he believed
:there Were few rational men who would not con.
cut With trim in defending the Government even
'under their administration. •
'Mr. W; SMITH regretted, that agreeing as he
'did with the good intentions of the petitioners,
'and also of several Gentlemen around him, he
• I shutild differ from them foto ado, as to the means
of carrying that intention into effect. He could
' not agree that the House was hound on the grotind•
',"-; of consistency, stated by an lion. Gent. (Mr.
Ward), to receive thin petition, because it had re.
40 • • caved thb petition of the Westminster electors.
FOr theme contained nothing more than an ex.
pressiod of disapprobation of a particular act,
and a request for the reconsideration of that act,
which the petitioners were 'entitled to lay before
the House; • but the other, namely, that molar
discussion, he conceived to bo peculiarly offensive,
and his objection to it, he confessed, to rest upon
the imagination, -that it conveyed an intended in.
-,suit to the House. He' should, therefore, op.
.•
pose its reception. It Was- not in fact conceived:l
in the terms, or draws top in • the spirit of a Pa.
• titiott. For instead of asking, or even return.
mending, it dictated authoritatively to the Roam,
The case between Sir Francis Burdett • and Ant
'• Douse was said to be "at present tub•judice. If
was to be submitted, it was understomi, to the
investigation. of to' Court
.of La*, and did it be.
come, was it decorous in a party professedly; corn.
plaining to that House, `to pronoisoce not a mere
•;)inion two,' i the question, but.a most authoelta.
• . tire decision. It was in feet iinpusibk to mid
4 this Petition attentively, without seeing that it weal
t..
intlecorous—without feeling that it was the ()lint
of the parties by w hoot it was drawn up, to try
to what extent they could contrive to offend the
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that-the
implied ill
—he felt
him. File , twee
been a representatt
could re )hls
any sock )tintatt
, rioithe h
was fur , _ .. hat 'wet impute'
tional measure. Ile Wee •evrrt tt
slaty should,. on this ocension, impel hits .47crk
reeiteeny pewits whom he reapectud, ;: ittll„hk,
differed from them only as, to the meets, they em,
pilled for carrying their objeit. It had been of.
ten ohserred. and with justice that it was ueces-
irgrY 1114' the ,Prescrinition- of the Liberty of the
'Press to guard against its licentiousness ; and why
snot A
apply the same observation to the right of pe.
Atiosting, that in order to ',preserve that , right it
was accessary to guard Against any licentiousness
ilia its exercise. The Petition under consideration
'ho conceived to be a most licentloos exercise of
!that right,. asid therefore he Mustpppove its ethnic.
;shot. lie must oppose it, because he
:could not
sanction any proceeding calculated to encourage
that.sort of commotion in which the middle men,
like himself—in which those who wished to keep
aloof fronton extremes, were sure to be trodden
wider foot. He was an advotate for moleration,
to,which this:Petition had no more tegard
,!ban it:
titan likely to Meet with in the scene 0f,,. •
.nit 4,4:
aft
had alluded to. It could not be sum _ ilistAts
,the tote he meant to pronounce upon th eibjeat;,
.w aq influenced. by the. consideration that the.'
Chancellorof the. Exchequer took the same count'
*His vote was the remelt of a thorough convictions,
:whichins rather **trod would very seldom incline
to vote, with that ;tight Uott. Gentleman. Passing
•fruat,tki, leyleir the Henourahle Member adverted
-to the observation, .oT IT Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
AP/Rolle), with regard. to the.conduct of his side
isf the House on the committal of Sir F. Burdett.
: Raw that side of the House could have exulted in
, the committal of the lion. Baronet, while no less
than In of that side voted against it, was a spe.
,cies of paradox which. he confessed he Was un.
able to comprehend. That the tiou bunt lost
much of its weight ind respectability in the public
*aistitnation, and throbgis its own conduct, the
liouourable Member conceived it absurd to deity.
But still be must be excused, if he. thought i* it
should not give. pit any part of the weight Miff re:.
spectability it
,retaiued. That it should tenacious.
ly maintain its privileges. Although he was satin.
fled that the house required refortn—altloorgli he
felt that that reform must, and he hoped wbnld ere'
lone, take place, yet it should be recollected, that
if any of its privileges were now lost, it might burl
.found ext)reinely ditficult to regain them, ere!' after '1
the reform was accomplished. . Therefore the 1
House should not, because it had committed some
breaches of duty,. be guilty of a stilt farther.
bleach by-surresidering its pririleges. br neglect.
Ingle transmit those pejvileges to their successors,
fur the benefit of thu people, to whqse, and for
whom, they were necessary, as they- 'would be
found, particularly in, the event of retorts. For
this reform. heatis)eusly.looked. lie had been a-
pctitioner,la fact, to that house, and he would,
petition (or it 'agent and again, if necessary. Ho'
Would, of posttest :Mr happy to encourage all
thiwe oho professed, to support that :desirable
measure, in any application. they thought proper
to make to that House- in Its ;favour, provided,
such application . was -coughed is decOrous and
peoptr terms. But the Petition was not of that
character, and therefore he could not defend it.
'Tina.Petition, however, And.all the ether precis:J..;
Jogs which he, in.couimon. with all reflecting men,.
lamented, was to be. traced to that unfortunate,
*vote (for the committal of Sir Francis Burdett),.
which he had endeavoured to prevent, and
which he never could •Tosse to deplore. What:-
ever indeed might be the termination of this coat
troversy, be must. ;toils regret that vote for thit
consequence which it, had already.produccd. But
this was not the only subject of his regret., ilsi
could not help thinking, that if any of the several
propositions for reform, submitted. to that Howe
had been adopted, the character of the 'House
would- have bee.o more respected through the coop.
try. The bodr of the people would have revs.,
rented its proceedings, wooldbeve regarded it as.
their real representation, as the guardiarr ,of their
rights, and, therefore, would bate cense forward
to support it in the stsertionof its privilqes.. But
chow different .were the -circumstances:at ..pretient,
Owing to the stateond conduct of that.flonse. Ile
was aware that io the lauguagnhe.held on this oc.
isasitio, he wavlikely to offend 'both *ties ; but
:au .consideration. whatever, much less the • fear of .
giving offence, should over proverit him' from per.
forming his ditty., . . .
1.. I Mr. M. FITZGERALD (of Kerry) thought
it the ditty,of the.peoplei.io their communications
kno that Haute, to express 'their -opiniuni.freelyt'
and the duty of that House to receive ouch coin. 1
innutications. If a petition were to-be rejected,
‘aserely upon thuground that It contained Aim I .
'live language, Oat It was exceptionable in its,
1 terms, in the opinion of the A dministratien of
the day, which was generally interested in oppos..
ing redress, what dangerous „jinpression was it
.likely to make noon the-Mind of the eointry 1-7
,Would it notiodeeti serve to induce,an apprehen-
sion,. that the exercise of the right of petition was
become comparatively nugatory, depending alto.
gether upon the will of the Minister ? lie con.
curred with the last speaker, in Lamenting the
cause of all this discussion. He lamented the un.
Wise policy of committing Jones.; and. the more
so as be was of opinion at the time, and remained
so still, that.that House had not the right of cont_
mittal for a libel, either from law, constitutive,
or practice. Ile was also persuaded, that the
House would-have beUer cousulted its dignity lay
declining to notice the case of Junes; and he wail
equally persuaded that it would better consult not,
only. its digssity, but its duty and interest, in
throwing sit impediment .whatoyer In the .vVity
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copulae of tomtits a jest
their Itepresents.
Constituent* Sir F
lei was justified
who, thought so
condemn the pest.
although he mist
the terms in which '
buiever, Wei' SU
Id feet himself jtis-
ark'd ifP-AU.9l4lltlCe,that orAnny other Petition.
i)
—4 .elleitun4e..rOtutd, -If sdi, were admitted
to, ://lA4l..weekl„. it :)liSa li? vibe filinbter 'Or
tI mpt, most isKfuturti; el ..noiteulted upon every
r Ittltißfir,il.lPßlN the divti etlreni of words,' before
tali
it was preseined," gienise ; and if it cam
gleitllo qt Aeritgrittatic bull used any 'exploit
tliFfpOitnAtU Aintsilliiiince oaths/001d be rejected.
whet' eentt.olto,wosi
.446614 of a public natty*
.41014p:Petition.be losagliteskiwilieb would not
iiecnOtir Jilt* At. ground of 'objection were este
blisheoo,llptcatted st-prin the House to reffect •
riiittilY, itioknettit littler?
sand 'he would also
upon
.anjhustoratan Gentleutan on .the • to
bench (Mr, uWard,le), to reflect a little Vpois
assertion, that all the Gentlemen on his side of ti,
(louse boiled the committal of Sir Francis Burdett
Was it possible that' the Honourable. Geottetni
could after any tefiection feel himself warren'
in such au assertieu ?
.: He was really at a loss
divine the cause of thellOnourable Gentlein
objection to" that side ,6t the House, ai sere
Gentlemen en that side , had on many oiccasi
giTen the liotioarable Gentleman the lobstne
support, had, indeed, generally acted with li
and particularly on the very occasion, when,
cording to the Honourable Gentleman's wu
they 'exulted in the failure of their own effo
Did the Honourable Gentleman objtet to othe
of the House gee which those Gentlemen sat
was It his ilet ee to peril them to the other side
What
.was t Atontiorable Gentleman's wish
really coos il ctikeonfectire, troe if it was to
inferred trOiallie censareheAatlveferred to, it
no fountiliktlincilizOasen or joklipe. Itevertii
the ei_etletli hettitp the Huussll,,ttlis Right Honk
elptt'f.ett(lettlattso4}etist.teeesofid not help thi
i
iug ayiliiiiitte're bad.,on, cif, occasion, and
tom 're
.et 'etinits,', betrayedatiseir dispositien
uudeitaine 'life ;tight et,iletitiuning, by dan
the slit:7.4_lllllw, pfvele.".4„llpcklitig the
pression, Of tllcyr oikilklug,.:_ bi4hve it was 1,
teeted tl;pkt thinejscre,..fithat hilitiatets who acts
insulter! (he of mt.-pvicioo upou its •Pctith,
withrCiiiiii`lis the—disgraccful,conventlint of
Ira, who trilled 'With a petition front the
respectable body upon this.catiject of the Walehe-
OM Eitputlition, he ;paid lkarilly think that a doubt
could remain as to the,43114.4140n of such Ministers,
as to their hostility to the right of Perititining.
With regard to the alarm whiCh some Gentlenten
profess*l to. feel under the present ciepimstild6es'•
. . .
of the e'isiinitcy, it was petty Obsiont that Pete
was .tip grotiikfiir alaily fit! to any change in (het;
House frit popular entiviachinent., • No, i4'iteto,.
there was nothing ,of -sletneettiel• exhibited iii WC
character .tti lance any *iickenlettlielen.. lf
.iliete
were any change tots, apprehended friim- foteign
itithien.cet itliet,titielirteentt4; to. 4u foohedfo'r friri'
P4,lllllo'l' ilittzrposition. That ititerposilioulitif u n for.
tuusielY but tonlittle tteictiltin. that 4.4 eta, l4)'? ,II:
/
could, of course, but'llt. ' ; Oil! wtta. the.pun;!
lic•feeling: to see it dinStiiish'. ...to,' litya it Ono:
iutely, slighted, or even titian -, ht. ' , It. svit.iiirel'
,ly st sufficient puisisitment fur the people to itet!ini
.coniptyink: with their roquvat. without ,the %gra...
eatio.o .40', that Ftlgesti:
where, 4rel. ' rectilit'ed 411`2
the Hi :Thli,
petits to that
which, tircadir
done. ti con-
eluded :Onsult Its
Wile tietitioeV.
440 Just eutr.',,
Merit :don.
lin that it
war of the
Ipet he' sea.
0111011, pointing
Out %voiding
an) :li they
ought to that
iioust
Mr, was no
Pei eat with
exit tg. He
shot petition
mere a, which
might appear diarespectiu. out wne, he consi-
dered the entire language of this Potitioti, he felt'
himself compelled to ,reject it, If they did not'
reject the present l'etitien, 'he did not see how
they could, ever in futere reject any Petition on
the ground 'of its being couched in disrespect-
ful and offensive languaee,
...,.Tjto shades of what
was offensive in expression ion 194r,sitely iiiiteir ;
but it did appear tu. him that, iu. the . present
Petition, the object of this Petitioners was. put,
poseiy stated in most effeitiive latuppge. The
Petitioners might have come forwaeCeind stated
every thing' which they tfiusghi, o,per to
state in langitage *which: would nut hay() been
~offensive or instill* so the House. Thire . was
this.ditTercants •11411 Ali Petition and
the Petitten been re-
ceived: T bitiadly
and djeregrr , acted
.cuvii(aireitiat ' of w
ex.
and
pr
undeatinklnt tend
it; hk,t,blest gait
acted-erg," Pe-
tition [mum &IN
It statailo! else
4olijaalol4; of
that 104 text ;
t, It -did ~. hlitl.
fllesea
'.f,titition Mid.
oilaiit,veutity
[did
a pray'
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detild tbtararyie taw lit a :, was de.
n)leglithat they bad a right of committing. They
••miglir'''ttivilF viltit 'eiht OA °thee occasion:from
the 'ltiOettety: sit 't i'Ul.,; jtise, end yet
,it toght
happen - that they. ha 4-nut in the 'caw of a
libel,' whih.vt'es an
.• offSice..that- might be p..
.Meted in-ifit.diti,- coterie dr- lege. 'The 'people
might well dailitt'thaillhey had euelvalighte•eed
it -should tot* oull'4lVtit they•feed it net, thee' it
'lneistlui aild%rett tlihtt%ttiey haddotte aft illegal Ft.
'ft was slid, by• one of hir•Majesty.it Munaleaso
that the 'Worse Most now make. a • stied,_ sr that
thantool would be xotreted witlramffertitilistes.
Thb however wait stint tie opinion I eat .dilhe
elpert•that many other counties . would Mimi
ow' this robjeet,. 'whatever' Might bethe fate. 4 the
Petition fur MiMeste.. He thought the -Awes
would in' nertieiltAS refibre itself'. fromboarieg Pc.
tithing siitillavlbe'slibitiincei ,by rejecting:the pre.
sent 'Petition4o,oo Die' contrary, the.tnidies at
it Weald eat tireiltY-proditee another Casty -Wet.
,:ints''attd an othW1406011!* ' This; howeee4ettwild
betntieenddettlet4thi4 ir ltiet'lkifileges of the ildew
' vreregwerietitilibtirititiiiil -tut if they went est
'serial* atiliciftelllNAihkeitclevitleltridvidering
whether any real adientipit acned be ebtaliek by
rejeclivsai is,,,eiliomj•l; : 4.- v'e * , i..7'.
COlOll4l liroo6llllol4iNeeti ender the iteceisity
of rejeetblipthilPetitlitiq'jiti account of she•disre.
4h:caul mid trilfhilillee liteets Jo, whit* •it •.was
couched. Ififftetft44Yhtieed kith lite Heeler.
able Gentlemen Ilth 4 spoke- lest in • use 11:1Peel,
in thinking that whatever might be the fate ef, the.
present Petition, there was as probability °teeny
' similar Petitions being presented front other eaten.
ties. He was convinced that this Petition sorb,
ne means what it profeiseli to be, a Petah)* free
the Freeholders of Aliddleser in full .Cointy
assembled.. Ile was crinviuted that toot :one.
third of the . persons. rho attended -that. Meet-
ing were ,FreehOlders. . He himself was a Free•
holder of Middlesex, but staid iwiy from the meet.;
ing fur the same reasons that matey other Free•
holders did, 'upon the certain cenriction that they
could not obtain a 'file :bearing, • and that net
hundreds of persons' Would some 'to that Htletiet • ,
who Were out,Freeholtiers*' but who were deter.
mined to.drown by noise and item's, the exPressioa .
of any sentiments but What• titer came to support.
ili.vp as sere.th at thb real Freeholders of lifoldieles
-would coittiiiite tbernserialiiigeried by melt a Pe.
tition ;. add that if the Count y were to be polled,
'nine Freeholders out f e* *Wild v(ite against if,
lie, therefore, in• the same of the Oreehmkiele 4t
Nliiitilyses; protested against this Petition,' pot
containit4 their sentiments. - •,2 ' -
Lord 'A ItCIIIBA Ll3:-11 AMI I.TON aid n
'think thegaegstage of. the Petition aii diiresprcifout
l
ato make it eceary for the 11.osse (order' if
e n m
~Ile had himself stout up fur the right of emuntit.
vent, . but he thought it perfectly fair and allote-
-I.able for any, Petitioner- to deny the right.• The
1 Word ' Protest' had beetribjected to, att °Pali"
to the dignity of thin Howie -• bet he thane' Pet'
' ceive any thing in that' Weiti .inore. thews solemn
&pial. 4 the sight, 'the cure* .Of width' the 7
, complained' of. ~ it appeared to .hita that. 000
mitre other parts in the Petition eibLett ecte at•ft
offensive, yet orwhich no notice hod Ihiets, tales.
He did not liliefito bear •asserted,:'thiit .411 Olt
men Werrecierrtiptitned. that they werithOSS ai
sofa. .Ig4te9Mitlttletai' Petition. teemed: hells'hew
iotrodueed that dectrine red4s. "elsi
,ppao *a Piese4a4asion: Ilieletititiseera dire
..
P.oiiatnlly ots:tfie tittle 'of 'Pelee lit tot, Manse,,,."e"
"'neiabiiiity. tof ifteleposeatattee. lt
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rejection sittiefelition Mader discialisni omiiminitit who were cepable
my wish to narrow the right of petitioaing fedgiumwmKu the conduct of
t that no such wish could be impute( to
.tiveu.,,, Xa *lt mow, 0 his Cc
sr the twenty.sbryeandurios which.habsd lb. , Ma letter, as
osomoser
D p resent al Ive of he** ii that iloile, he disilegti. ' ei rots *vie ilium
tier to his ctimititt as the best defence against. and of 'ffleont, Wu' eon d not I
it imisisiaties ; abin'the aiseiso.uf tlist•pe2 do - ottclar.• • op, a
had auslulaird.asajoik.kilyitgi)44llo it °urea' thas.lst OA iroC like thl
him to say what 'was 'uvula). or coltiltto. was. Arawss,,lspi Titit, hoi
measure. lie "WO liorry that' itileeitik if gioand uptanich:Alioneult

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ou Of rofusiog even to liste"• to`
,that yi
"it.
set 0 .lu thili cue, tia , litcrely requt
Noose to re=consuler. i..proesmdlugs.
tie° merely called spots , Uoule
.to d
ch, .with steivtillas Wil
.il) lt. had a
c. Tilt)) ltig i i otsoira 'entlerna
led 11,la exhorting the . maid,,to con
digialy, 0144utttilty It sing!' the pc
tn. gotta it *Nit Itii(asouttinta and jto
ring .setAiblgibiVe IN ,VAntAt MI ectio
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di. trivltliNNel4' eir.atift,iait) stated,
r kii 04.'6, ilit 0)01:44! e'Cti"
illo9 'lrt*fr-relkoNM,o9,pl; ' )7 of t
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s asthicltßitOrita rhgslifahl • Ifil thus_ j)
:••10.ihifIlilitithe5fhe. gip cty of a
r ilictiduriatit 411..8140* V if! whiff
Iht -W,*trocekirls -th!rirlity )Iftatious i
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Hr. IV iiH‘Fittirelit C0i1913, Mitt there
son atiriiilyoi..44,.tow.himsar: to tre
rani-4440: *sir of petitionin
)uld hu vesreign4lija *to reject any
rely from an VoMiaertent, expression
~t.....,...... Atappane etfut! hut when .Isc

mad ew4wedil iiiiiMiddkesex Pvtition. 1
On.ol•WaNdOtiiiiir' which had beets -
'ho Midel,estortottlitotiers slated bids
rtg
4,-; )thavtlio HOW '6 ' Commons ac
to the isLts t artif Ite n ; manlier of.
1 oppa.lllll4tir It it, 61 vo'iwas so clear 1
sto thatiiwilf#lPeciiihlte toisutulcrato
1000 isitAtg. igattilie ' .law, , they I
loatitheisuovits siiittiaO., :Now the
liiirtr
m Westiniatee Alit Ektis :40 that leni
iilaota 4 iseoes' up 0 c'f' aed We
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66 x
passion('
e, of 41401, taiiiitilil hoen Tiolsti
d ;Dot stlifitak' 010iiiii, as the N
otitioo ditl.?' 'Et ;irsiii .trwa that thi I
Dation -wade 4 to, the techOic44 Atsos
owes, selt.,oh ~thi: Westminster POti
..,.. bot.iste*,:iststlll,l,....tostitler. • !smell . il

ist ' ht . oirl7geld.(Mr. Fitzgerald) who now n
. r
a. at obitily...,etiWrpd. the present Pettlioli
F. Ike . hi, "i!lt thinnealion of the Westminster p 4
. % 0 -o-
in' AlielisOtiatit.sv *Atint extremely doubtful, au
in I Mat UtlitgaiYlaasrelbpreponderated ht favour I,i
A'. 'id reSiitrat.. As this had been hie opinion 0
eat ' that occaska, he diknot sec how he could no,
1 it talky phaigehli.Mimity's \Holsters with wishtn
a taitrefinkthe44l44at petitioning, whets they ha
us- edhstadd tO.,rekelie the Westminster Pattie,
on.
.whist4l/alll"Cliea in such Jaugitage ai to h
oil; matte 'tie lOW.' -ifortoorMia-Getaatenton ti•
M 4 doubt wheite r.it (night to be .rtkeeivetl or Rut. Ft
sty felt himself obli,ed to vote for the rejectioa of .
'ore Petition ; and he did so witlethe less seluctaae
to. as there was-nothing its it %Mei!, might not at a f
dot'? ture time be stated to die [Lithe la plain vaulty,.
i.--L tiosable•terms.,
tere • Mr. EI.LBON staid, that if he really &mow'
t be thlat•tbe House was held in such cootioupt by t
sti= countrfail it arta, often stated to be, he should f
(Se. ashamed to sit there ;.bist he iNai CutlVitiCed tit
Call• third was-Ma foundation for the statement. bpi
ii+ei i'ertainly not, from . the Ministerial benches
I.itie To ekoin were the country to look for any it
I the: portant advantages? Was it to the Humour'
lett. Winona who: was in: Oh' Tewer, or any of
mitt partisans ? It *Appeared to .him that a party ta
rated sprung up in did country, which it was the do
is to of that House to crush. He objected tai 't
tin's I Petition,.
.ais being in many parts false. Heats,
reral in the eteention of the Speaker's warrant that i
tious I noceut bluwd had been spilt ; but the loss of
etive lives proceeded altogether from the neressity itfp
him, servingPthe public peace, and tilt: impossibility
, ae. the military bearing any longer the many Wig
Ends, ties and' attacks they bad been exposed to. T
Forts. mob on the late occasion were, ingenue ris
t side more dangerous than that whirivaisotabled MA
t, or time of• Lord George Gordon- The mob of tan
?..... -George Gordon had not come, as the late alai
It he had dune, with pistols in their pockets, and
o be not like them, fire upon the military. U
t had the recent circitinstaticm, the conduct of the • •
lig to • tary was must exemplary. lie shook{ vote fur
tour. *tint; the Petition, as being nufounded in trait
hitrk. Mr. MORRii did not perceive any thing Mt
,d on present petition which was an very offensive
On to that the House should reject it. The debate ;p .
Wising. Oared to have taken a very different turn kip
e ex. what it had taken the preceding night. On t •
ratol. last night the 81:1Pction seemed. to.bc merely tha•
Mani the power ofV 'hitßitment was denied; but int
ji
ming, present...dean:l ;,tite ehjection was general
' Ctn. the Ithisni(ici he petition was offmriee. tis
same did tigt iliiiikt,"Viat assitrting that the House had
alAhe.• act*'d ebtarartriti hw in a late instance, was de..