The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-05-19 00:00:00

THE fteAI'ESMAY;

or strict siiscipliee be bed ever Miaowed, mere pesti.
elderly in a Whig Army, who were set the most pa-
tient of severe regulations,. The ranks of Opposi-
tioe in late division, he was sorry to say had been
swelled by the accession of some who were foremoit
to hurl their "went associates from their seats of
'Mc.; he had the highest respect for these troops,
bet suspected they bad, like cattails victors of anti.
risky, bore spoiled by being nursed In the lap of in.
dotter" daring a long peace. Ile NW nothing die-
ceeraging in the prospect of the dieisioe, for in
the late cases the division had coosisted mostly,
if not altogether, of constantly attending Mem.
hers. Oo this occasion every bench was
'seeded, and he would entreat of each Member
es men of public avid private cnosisteocy, to rally
roved them principles which they had espoused for
years with honour to themselves aid benefit to the
World. If it was detersioed by artifice and ma-
nagement to overthrow the Administration, the
friends of Government ought boldly to come forward
mod speak their minds as uses, and not suffer the
country to be imposed on by the 'email and arti-
fice of their antageoist. Hod any klieg like a case
sigh as that assumed by the Right lion. Gentleman
ham likely to have been made oat, it ',mild long
ago ham been his indispensable duty, es an honest
eau, le have broeght the present Administration to
justice by impeachment. Os this occasion be had
preferred the present mode as calcoleted to display
bis activity in bringing chaste intoorder. Never bed Ad.
sninistrstios been celled on to act in a character of
more serious responsibility than upon the present oc-
casion, and they were sow particularly entitled to
that support (ender whose auspices they bed been en-
abled se !slog to weetber the storing of war and as.
care to the country all the blessings of a permeseot
peace) epee a question like this, which was le fact
nothing more thee whether the vivant Admisistra.
*ion should retain their situations, or the Right He-
miserable Gentleman and his political friends be W-
elled to fill them.
Mr. W. LAMB resole support the motion of his
Right lion. Friend (Mr. Tierney). There might have
been at time some difference of opisios shown se
to the condect of the war, or the means of carrying
it on, bat he would positively deny for himself sod
his political Mends, that this difference of opinion
bad ever ceased them to di or harass °ewers-
ment by refusing an adequate aid liberal simply. As
this was a motion avowedly made teaseled@ the pre.
lest Adsniaietration' he felt it due to his owe (vie
mien of the Noble Lord's merits to state, that be
considered his zeal and satiety for the public eel.
fare, his caution in disposing of situations dependeet
on his high office, and, shove all, the ability end ie.
tegrity with which be had conducted duties equally
difficult and delicate at the Genres, of Vitaea and
that of Paris, constituted for him en eseeption highly
honourable to himself. It would be impossible to
apply censure to such cooduct.—[Lord cries of
Ilear, heir!]—lt was necessary to take a fell and
impartial view of the state of the country, and of
the effects predated by the present Administration es
the popular hellos& The planet Ministers were
evidently unpopular; whelks areeetbet enpopslari.
sy? Was It from the oessemptesces of the war, or
from their heels( followed the plea laid dews
by Mr. Pitt? If such wei the ease, It was ma-
nifest that this unpopularity was several years too
late, for every war ought at its commencesseet to he
resisted. The unpopularity of the present Mi.
sisters also arose from the deficiencies of the pro.
sent revenue, and from the disappointment of the
friends of the Administration, who were, therefore,
deprived of the hope of Weekly' by the espenditere
of the public 'nosey. It was too true, that in this
country, the return of peace was not the meson of
calm, for overpowered with debts, the payment of
the espencee and the arrangement Of the affairs pro.
dated a werrieg of ioterests inimical to Internal coo-
cord. His Mojesty's pined Ministers possessed ea
the confidence of the cowry, and the Hoes. could
not with propriety confide in them, whom the e'en.
try ceased to trust. What had the House been
doles the present Session ? Was not its cesd•ct evi-
dently an espression of its disgust of Mielsters ?
Modes of remedying evils, the esistenee •of which
could not be denied, were mad* use of by the /loose
which modes were escootoitetioesl. Committees
were appointed for these purposes, sod has contrary
to the Constitution of &egad, the Eseesitive of the•
Pesky was dragged isto•ilso verses of oho linear
It was futile, it wee deleakete speak of economy es
affording mesas of retid.to the country,, for nothing
effiectsal cored sheen take its Aright. Ile objeetkd
to the unwieldy, cambross, disquieted Misistry winch
sow gegeleted the State. The Noble Lord hid said,
that there was an anion es Sheikhs bf theillwesese
which he (Mr. Lomb) spoke, bet • why did not the
Noble fond and his Colinegees istrodec• 'that union
anon his own adherents? Ho wished that such onion
existed in the Ministry, and that instead of yielding
every questionv such as the Poor Laws, se the tacit-
lotion of party pointed out, a fixed line *said be
Mks*, by which he sad other 'Members might be
guided in the condect which they woeld in Were
adept. The motion of his Right Hee. Friend was
.seal as le allow the Howe to decide open the rupee-
.eibility of the Noble Lord and the Ministry, who
would, Vibe House voted gluiest the motifs, be 's-
kewed frees the responsibility.
Lord CLIFTON, in a speech of some loogtb,
which was iessdible in the Gellery, spoke, as we
sedersteml, in favour of the motion.
Me. R. MARI'IN would sot hove bad the soda.
city, sorrowed as the matter was within the limits
of nut genii's, were the pretest Ministers adequate
to their situation or not, of intruding himself en the
House; baton a county Member, he hoped that he
shosW be permitted to teaks a few observatioet.—
Ile therefore ealled on the Right lionouroble [seeder
of the ether side, to step into the arena et once, and
there heat the Noble Lord end the present Ministers,
nod is Imager continue the war behind posts, but
boldly to met this Administration from their fore
tresses, end then awed the Treasury Benches. The
kith' Hee. Gestleman ought to name the Members
which k nos desired shield stocepy the 'Realism
tiled by the present Ministry, that the Heise might
decide hawses she we parties. If the Gentlemen
apposite knew of say means of relieving the coun-
try, nil did they set stale them openly; and if the
UV" liaiwiittaed teem, Minister, he was sere,
would 201 'PPON—s Properly or au Incise Tax,

if proposed by the Gentlemen of the other aid►,
toosiel not be objected to by the Adininistr lien.—
For himself be rook! say, that he owed no obligation
to the priest Adminittration; he bad canvassed ■
large county, with tire standard of Govoremeot
foiled in his hand, lid had secomiled in his election.
—(flear good lankler.)—lie had avowed his ad-
herence to the Administration, and yet his triumph
g►eet over the minion of the Opposition, Mr.
Bowes Daly.
Cries of Qeestinis ! now resounded from all parts
of t►e Deese, and we were preparing to loaf* the
gallery while the division was to take place, when
order was again restored, end wertteived
Mr. W. WYNN on his legs impressing his opinion
respectiog the molten, which seemed to him, as we
esderstood, to resemble the motions for the Com-
mittees in the time of Lord North. The ditealtien
and the determination of the Route, relative to the
Eleetion Petition of Chippenham, ceased Sir R.
Walpole to reliequish his situation. When he bad
eotered the House, it was his intention to hive moved
the preview question, but from the general feeling
expressed by the Route, of having the matter pet to
the vote, be war induced not to propose that motion.
lie would, however, give no vote on the present
sisestleol _ _

- Lord JOHN RUSSELL considered that the en.
popelerity of the present Administration was clearly
ewitiosit. The coodect of the Hon. Member who heal
jest sat down was a tacit censure on them, sad be
felt certain, that if his 'Right Hoe. Friend had pro-
posed a direct vote of censer*, the lion. Member
woold have voted in f i fit. The Noble Lord
had accesed his Right lion. Friend of artifice ; but
was the speech of the Noble Lord not an eassple of
such practices? The Noble Lord bed said, that the
kte wet was net for the destruction of the principles
adopted by the Revelationists of Framer het for the
eestoratioe eta Family to the Throne Of that coen•
try, while it was evident, from the acts at the com-
utootoseot of the Revelation, sad from the observe.
lions I. Mr. Burke's book, that the destruction of
these priociples was the chief object. He rejoiced
lo led that they were now firmly established is
Teases, sod that a Ministry was there established
which promised a long eentiosince of the blessings of
peace. Why was *eh nation Europe almost united,
deem the Peace of Paris against the welfare of Bop
bed, and particularly Louis sod Spain ? Why was
IM hoperisot question of the Poor Laws not investi.
gated and regulated ender the direction of the Minis-
try ; that qwestlen, which, in its remits was of the
r.st es t importance to the State? dis lamented
Friend, Mr. H.,..,, feed said, and he agreed Is the
,statement, that the pemmetry of England were now
reduced to a state of villanage, that peasantry which
bad always been the sepport of the country. Wee
not this chsage to be deprecated ? Whence did It
arise ? Were the present Ministers innocent Oboe.
log ceased it ? The conduct of the Noble Lord re•
minded him of the condect of a person at one of the
the. tres ih Freese*, who, !pan hearing thender, mt.
claimed " That's my thunder ;" is like sensor the
Noble Lord took to himself all the credit of the glow
end levers weather, by means of which our ease"
was defeated. His Lordship concluded by esyles,
that his Right Hon. Friend had insisted wpm No
very remarkablepoiot, that of hence, as one sanest
ether considerations, en secooot of which his moth*
ought to be acceded to.
Mr. SINCLAIR opposed the motion.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT, after some prefatory
ebsereatious, said, that the 'abject to which the me-
lieu now before the Hews. referred, was one so vest,
and included so many objects, that the eye could
scarcely take in the view which it suggested. He
felt inclined to address the House on this subject as a
Roman Emperor bad addressed the Senate—" Non
scribes robin Pares Censeripti vet quid New pewees
scribers," ke. if the object of the motion before
the Haase was brought forward merely for the per.
pose of effecting a ensues in the Adeduistrstiou, he
was ready to say, that for his part ha did not see
what great adwastige would be derived from it.—
[Hear and sense leughter.j—He did Dot care what
`Met his feelerla 'sight prates:li NI either side, if
they served to elicit troth. He was surprised that
the flenoereble Member who bad last spoken, and
for whom be entertained mach personal respect,
should have said, that the object of the motion be.
forethe lion* was to hold up the Members of the
Grovevonstrhtiolicerst Chi contempt; for if ever there
was a debate .brought forweVd with little feellog
leading to depreciate the character of an Administrs.
tioo, it was the present one. An lion. Member who
followed the Noble Lord (Mr. W. Lamb) had almost
contradicted the forceetlis argument by his excessive
candour lo praising ihe 'Noble Lord who had then
jest eat does. •He bad described soother Member of
the Admioistrotieo (Mr. Conning, we believe) as pee-

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sealed of great and transcendent eloquence. It was,
therefore, strange that the preseat motion should be
conlldered as calculated to prorlero merely a change
of the Adilluistratiow. llteHon. Member who follow-
ed the Noble Lord bad, indeed, stated, that Minis-
ters are very unpopelar ; bet he added that their
unpopularity was owing to the hardens of the People
which were produced in consequence of war. It was
strange, If The obj•tt of the motion was merely to
produce • thongs of Administration, that that Hoe.
Member should hate stated that little was to be ex-
pected

from economy. He (Sir F. Burdett) thought
mach was to be eapected from ecottotly, end he thought
it would be the only advantage which could be derived
free a change of Admit)lstratiou.—[Hear! from
the Opposition side.]—He was sorry to have beard
the Hon. Member say, that nothing was to be It:pev-
a frotn Reform, by which of cootie was to be under-
stood Parliamentary Itefores.—[Mr. Lamb, we be-
lieve, here said, No!]—lle was glad to best that he
bad not made this latter assertion ; bet in reference
to what was said respecting the enpopularity of Mi.
nisters as arising 'merely frons the *set of economy,
he (Sir F. Burdett) 'meld say, that he knew the pre-
sent Admioistration to be justly unpopular through.
out the coeotry at large, net merely is consequence
of financial difficulties, bet on more important
grounds—on the grounds that they had debserted all
the ancient bulwarks of the Constitetion.—(Cries of
Hear ! from the Oppotiiiox side.)--It was by ieb-
setviency to Ministers that the Parliament itself,
though a new oou, bad become unpopular. Wben
the Noble Lord was praising the discipline of the form,
mastered, es he wit pleated to say, by the floe.

Mtenber who brought forward this motion, he might
be considered as at the same time making an harangue
to his own troop., whom he would call hi. beesehold
goo rd.—( Hear, ;ear! and tangling on the Oppoi..
don side.)—He feared that no impression would be
made on these diaciplinerlanst for a majority of the
ftlnese stillconsisted of thi aomieets of Peers ; and
here he oleic' not help saying, diet such interference
in the election of Members ter that House, was in the
highest degree opposed to constitational principles.
—Such interference was eqeally uceostitetioaal
es those Corrupt practices which were acknoeledged
is being es clear es the son at noon-day. Hewing al-
lotted to corrupt practices which had been openly
avowed end (Wooded in the Rouse, he would take
the opportunity of mentioning, that he had not inter.
feted en the subject of abases in one or two Bo-
roughs which had lately been brought before the
' Hoes*, because he thought it unjust to single out en.
11 a few of the Boroughs for punishment, when the
',stem that prevails in ell is the same. The Hoc
Member proceeded to notice the estimate distress
which pervaded the whole risanefactering and agri•
cultural system. He believed, he said, that the
Chancellor of the Escheqeer was at theca(' of all his
mimes, and that if he were to prods*, en Income
Tag, it would be seceded to by a majority in that
Howie, however repugnant It might he to the feel*.
of the People, for, although he was the least likely
man In the world to dope any one, he bad persuaded
the Home that a 11. note of the Bank of England, to-
gether with a shilling, was worth one gelato in gold,
et a time when the loins. was selling in the market
for much more.—(Cries of Hear! and Imegking ea
Me Opposition side.)—The Hon. Member nest
took occasion to allude to the state of Ireland, the
People of which, he sold, were rather irritated than
injured under religiose protester. With respect to
that country, which had been so mach misooderstood,
and concerning which so many absurd prejudices pre-
vail in Eagland, he said, that in the visit which be
made there, he had been meet agreeably disappointed.
Injustice and prejudice, he said, bad represented the
Irish as savage, but if they were so, be could only
say, that they were the gentlest on the face of the
mirth. The Hon. Member here proceeded to pen se.
venal bleb enlogiems on the character and disposition
of the People of Irelaod, than whom, he said, there
did not edit a nation more civilised (not even es-
cowing the polite urbanity of the French), nor one
more humane and charitable. They were a People
than whom none were more easy to be led, or more
'difficult to be drivesi.—(The praises bestowed on the
I People of Ireland drew applause from both sides of
the Howse.)—lreland, be said, was perhaps the only
country in which, if a person were thrown on the
' shore, solitary and destitute of every means of support,
he might travel over the entire country, and would I
obtain the sympathy and hospitality of the poorest
cottager et whose door be should present himself.—
When he reflected on the system which had been
adopted towards such a People, when be considered
that some persons could gee only the few errors
which might perhaps oust Is the Irish character, bet
none of its virtues, it reminded him of the comparison
of such persons to the beetle, which travels over the
delightful field adorned with every object that is
!motifs! and beelthfel, io order that it may at length
settle and feed epos carrion.—(Gries of hear, hear!)
—With regard to Scotland, it had been said that an
important measure bad been curried for it. As to
this me , he would only say—Acipio Omen,
Misr fareinnigue ist. He was sfaaid, however, that
the House would not give the Scotch that power
which alone could procure thews redress, eamelyt
the power of electing those persons who were to
dispose of their property. Tb. People of Eng.
land had committed the same error as the People of
Scotland, and it had been ovally destructive to each.
He feared that they would not get redress. And yet
without a Rational Reform nothing could be done
that would give real force and energy to the measures
of Government. Ministers might rest assured that
there could net be a truly powerful and solid system
of (Jovernment, if they were not supported by a
House of Commons, possessing the confidence of the
Country ; and that it was impossible that the House
of Commons, unless a Reform took place, could pos-
sess the confidence and support of the People. With.
out a Rational Reform nothing would be done even
respecting the Poor Laws. With regard to the sub•
jest of Visalia*, be would be very short. The ques-
tion, as the Book bad truly said, was not whether
the should pay is specie, but whether the circus.
steams of the country would admit of a diminished
circelation.—[hear, /mar I)
Mr. LA M B captained.

Mr. Alderman HEYGATE rose amidst calls of
Question ! and spoke in favour of the motion. He
thought that there were grounds for going isto the
Committee; sod that the House was bound to look to
what might be saved by economy.
Mr. W. DICKINSON thought there ought to be
a motion for a Vote of Consisre on the Mi.
ousters, who aro not able to conduct the affairs of
the country with common comfort to thornselvetotill
less with advantage to the country.—[As the Hon.
Member spoke in a low tone of woke, and with hie
back to the Gallery, he was isadibie to as during the
greater part of his observational—lf asked whether
Ministers bad the confidence of the country, he would
answer sot; and in his opinion there could be bet
one remedy, that of forming • wide end broad Ad.
ministration. It was • defect of means and • system
of imaginary money which swallowed op the monarchy
of Frauce.—Pleer. hear !..1
Mr. MARKYAT said, that during the war we
possessed the mouopoly of commerce almost over the
entire world; and that we might bate takes advert.
tap of our favourable 'Jimmies et the time of the
General Prem.. but 'bat this bad not been done.—
We understood the lion. Member, in 'Heeling to the
measures of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to
say, that they were such as to have caused the Len.
Jon Dock Sleek to fall from 127 to 00, and that he
bed doubled the defy on tallow. After btviog al.
laded to certain advantages which be stated to have
bees thrown sway by the Hight lion. Gentian's,
the lion. Member compared the condition of the
costar, to that of a patient after a violent fever. lie
did sot feel any objection to his Majesty's Ministers
Tf
oltlybeip: power.rform performed theinseddtehteyntooot.haade PeLoahllerntod• theG Gent.
opposite (Mr. Wynn) moved tbo previous question.
he should base voted or it. That, however, n•

having Iwo dwwis It Would support the motion of
the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tiarney).
Mr. M A BEFILY mid, he would vote with the
Right Hon. Gentle... opposite (Mr. Tierney), not
from u wish to turn oat hie Majesty's Ministers, but
because he felt that the registry was N a state Mkt
Called for inquiry. They bad already some view .f
what they were I. 'spec( from the system of inuell
to be pursued. If they were to judge from the Re.
pert of the Committee Mid spite the table some time
back, there was to be n• Slaking Fend. Could the
cowry, he would ask, go on without It t If It
, was necessary to call sport the people for mom,
they should consider him they amid be best taimd.
Ile before gave it as his opinion, that the poor shield
be relieved, abii tams laid, if they *ere necessary,
epee ihese,rwhe were side to pay them. A clamour
was raised against the Report of the Bask Com.
twitter., as tendiog to a contraction of the circulating
medium. Ile saw so grounds for this. The Report
appeared to his a foie, aid a good one.
Mr. BANKES said, perhaps the intimacies of the
State required aggressor Government. Bet be world
put it to the Creatiewes to say, whether that stronger
Government could be Nand on the opposition side
of the House. He believed the divi4not
would prove that opinion held within them *ails on
that sohjact, and he was convinced that out of doors
the Government stood us fair, or fairer, than soy
other let of nes who could be selected would do.—
Ether, he. could not bet consider it as on.
fair towards the Chancellor of the Eachequ•r, to
brio( forward the present motion, before an oppor.
tufty had boon afforded to the Right Hon. Gentle-
man to bring toward his plat), be that plea what.
ever it might.

Mr. WILLIAMS Bed Mr. FRENCH, aeskist e
loud cry of Question! supported the motion.
Mr. CANNING said, the motion now before the
House called oe them to iostitute an enqoiry isle the
conduct of Ministers; and whatever the Right Hon.
Gentleesso might say, involved is it the exisiento of
the Administration, *hich it present possessed the
coubdencs of the Crowe ; for the moment this me.
lion was agreed to would prove that of the disco.
lotion of the present Ministry. This motion; how.
was fair; it was the proper mode of getting
at the opinion of the Public as to the merits of
an Administration. Ho (Mr. Castling) did not
cousplaio of the motion itself; bet of the time at
which It was brought forward. As he passed along
he could not help @deeming to the opinion of an
Honourable Gentleman she had se eloquently la.
mooted tie conduct of bit Right Honourable Friend
In stlemptisg to Impose a duty on tallow ; this
attempt, and the good cesdect of his Right Hon.
Friend is other respects, bed raised loch a conflict is
the lien. Gentleman's mind, that to satisfy his con-
science as well as he could, be (Mr. Mama() 'amid
take a middle emus* sod vote for the provisos gees-
lion.—[.4 leargh.)—Asother Hen. Gentleman (Mr.
Wynn) bed also felt himself in difficulties us to how
he should decide f sod that Hos. Gentlemeg having
made his speech, dec./arid, that to Satiety his con-
science be *mild go home and p h lsed.--(4
laugl.)—New misery, it was said, mode vies se.
gemmed with 'Users bed-fellows. He (Me. C.)
would advise the lest Hon. Member to whom he had
allotted, else to quit his place and p to bed with
the other lloneureble Member,—[Lewd larghisig]
—where they might condole with each other Da
the misfortune of being in a *nation in which ha
wss coweinced there were not sit other Ines besides
themselves in the whole kiagdoes, namely, that of
not being able to give an opinion one wsy or the
other on the motion of the Right Hoe. Gentlest's.
[Hear, hcer!)—The Right Hos. Gentlemen theft
proceeded to take a review of the grounds on which
the present niotion was brought forward ; and ten.
tended, the', in (airmen end justice, the motion
ought not to have bees brought forward tit! the platy
of his Majesty's Government, respect's% the fi.nks
should be before the House. Ho also proceeded to
jellify his Majesty's Government egaiost the charge
brought forward by the Right lion. Mover, respect.
leg the fate of Mr. Arbuthnot. He could asters the
Right Hen. Gentleman that his Majesty's Govern-
ment could with much lees diMeulty have filled the
world with outcries end reproaches, than, attested
by their feelings, they could convince themselves.—.
They were satisfied in refraining from expressing
each sentiments towards America on this subject, as
would have Involved us in a war with that commit,.
The Right Hen. Gentleman then proceeded to der
feed the conduct of the Government as regarded
South America. From the commencement of the
dispute between Spain end her Colonies, this
country having st an study period offered a ow
diadem, sod the toffee being declined, this country
bed conducted Unit with impartiality towards each
party. His .Majesty's Government bed indeed re•
heed to accede to entails seclusive Trestles offered
by Solids America. Government had indeed been
guilty of tirades to turn the troubles of South Ame-
rica to the advantage of commercial men in this
coentry. The Right Hes. Gentlemen then proceed.
sad to repel tbrt barge of disunion, which had bees so
frequently breeght forward spinit Ministers, sad
deeded that he had say knowledge of dirunioe pro•
failing amongst his Majesty's Ministers, except OR
use greet subject; that was, on what was generally
called the Catholic question. This difference of
*pinion was well known to the supporters of Admi-
nistration at the time it was formed; end It would he
most unfair of those supporters now to withdraw
their support, became the Members of Adteloistrat loss
adhered to the opinions they professed at the time
they seceded to the Ministry. It was quite clear
that in two memorable instances they bed failed la
resisting motions which were inteaded to make them
a Government of Committees. It had been said, that
they wouid take an hints to retire frost the Adminis-
tration. Did the Right floe. Gentlemen ems to say
that being blotto o• t•• motions.rhat wale hint for
thew 'lb retire! If be did, they did net so awadenitaod
it ; arid the division of that night would shew wM-
thaw they were In co out or net. tie }gigot
_to;
was made so great, no hawse frame re
momenta,
of
from follows of ear cu c
by Petitions
pyiDir the time
Gentlest,. tor pl •hied that the badness
1; asedibforeini
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the size of a folio voting,. sad
which a Court
disgrace • Pied roods* Ceert, Breen
loin(
darnigo.
of Conscience world twit giro a fa
of the He for
ft bad been said they were net popular la the coon
whole eights, oo.eocuoc is that would

Ivy. T. 4 looked well from Ibe Whigs, after the
Niessminster Election. Ile bad himself no occasino
t• Isom his hustings with • filo of grenadiers.'
/..1 thei• errant the mations need and the triamplis'
••• n milder ibis Administration; and Ilion he asked
It Pr the, should eiiher be dismissed with honour, or
11.Pri rush .1.111,0 ff as world enable them to carry on
the .ffolls of (;evernimeof with effect.
Mr II FAINEI., in reply, denied that the sin.
ti. n •iligintrd in • OA to obtain the disiniss.l of
his itlajesq's ; sod in jostle* to the Gen.
en his >id. of the flossy he would positively
asters that they had set contemplated an introduction
to 44fico. Ile entered into • re-statement of tho so-
den, which. he mid, had been wigoodieftfoed. Id
a .suer to the observation that the Oppositinn was
unpopular, it was to be retallected that the Adasiai.
atiaion had the Church end the lodoenra of the
C•••n ; and Ise had no doubt if the lists should be
'rambled that night after the division, end the sum%
4.f the Alembrirs who were personally In office and
cow...veil with the Coast were deducted, that the ma.
Jon', would in that case be on his side of the [loose.
11. denied that he hail forest•lled the question; and
d. elated, that lentil lb. declaration mad. that night,
be had sat hood that the Chancellor of the Facile-
quer had a new system of Moaner. to latrodoce. Ili
contended, that tho Ministers had seabed themselves
of Committees to relies. them from responsibility ;
that the motion for • Commute. on the State .t the
Nylon did nut seeessaiily imply the dismissal of the
Ministers, for an insigne, to the canonry might be
found. daring Lard North's Administration ; hi, ob.
jeet was, that the Hoes* should ahem a sympathy for
the snirertngs of the country ; if this Hasse should
refuse that enquiry, it wesld by a declaration that
the distresses of the amiss were disregarded.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the
lies.. divided--.

For dr. Mottos 1731 Against it 337 I Majority again' the
Norka 179.

The miser Ors.ere wet, Ikea disper►d ors sot! t►e
Hesse adjooroed at Iletf-past Two •'Clock.

PUBLIC MEETING Ix ris CITY.
........-.

'Yesterday a Meeting of the Sinkers, Merchants,
and Traders of the cosy of Gondola was held, p.r.
avant to Advertisement, in the London Tavern. The
Carpet Boil was crowded to excess by a most neineroua
end respectable body lone before one o'clock. At
10 minutes after one •'Nock the Chair was taken, on
the motion of Sir Charles newer, by Sir. BAIII.
BRUM, who stated the object for which they were
ad, sod kapott that every one would receive a
;wind heariag. The object was of infinite import.
ale. to the coentry, and on that or eoent he wished
to deny an insinuation which had appeared in some of
the Papers, viz. that the Sleeting was called at the
request of the Bank, while ethers said it was at the
instancy of Government. Neither of these, be could
visors the Meetly', were tree, for the Meeting was
a spontaneous act of the citisens of Landes, and to
them the measeres sew proposed were to be submit.
ied.—( Bear !

Sir Bore.. Pti.L, in moving the first Resolution,
vsas highly gratified to see so eery nemesis and re-
nodal!** blestiog en this meet interesting and vital-
ly important qetstion. The question was one to which
Ile bad •leveled mac► attention, having been in Par.
(lament at the time the Restriction was proposed,
in 1797, by that triply great Minister, Mr. Pitt,—
(Hisses and elplisere)—eis whom he would pan oo
peneityrie,becarat he was sate that all of them would
be gratified to have a man of his Integrity sad knew-
ledge.—( Aso, me l and liege, Arerl)—rbe measure
itself was dictated by dire necessay. as the enemy,
feeling himself incompetent to meet sir fumes by sea
or laud, tried to rein oar finances. The City sane-
Honed the proposal of Mielsters by • Meetiog, equally
semernee and ►es,ectehle av the pretest was, and hrel
bail ato dada, the Gentlemen now 'wetter would
egret with him in feeling conidencele the Bank. He
ua never asked a (avow from them, sod of coarse
could sot be suspected of acting from sinister me.
tips; bet his opiaion was, that the system bad lased
the country in a time of great difficulty. Bring new,
it watt tried only a sheet time; bet by degrees re-
newed till the present period, and it had been thought,
and very properly, the only way to escape uer dif.
Scotties was tw tely on our own resources. lied,
therefore, a Paper Currency not been sebstitated in
room of the Gold one, this country would, in all
probability, hate become a colony of the enemy. In
the Administration of M►. Pace's!, • B•lline Cent.
melt., was appointed, which laid the fitesdatlon of
the Iwo Committees who had just reported. He had
many fri►nds in them, and a relation who was at the
head of one of them, of whom ha hoped Islay, that
that individual would lay down his life for his
country : bet he (Sir K.) must owe, that ha differed
from them in their Report, feeling that the system
►ad led to the salvation of the country, by leading
them to rely on their internal reseerces: and if that
were now to be chang►d, the country would suffer
in a degree which no one could contemplate without
alarm. He dreaded the idea of oer resources being
restisieed, and he hoped he should wetter live to see
them so. Ile thought that the country was now In a
better state, owing to the system which he hoped to
see supported. Such were his sentiments, and be was
not ashamed to avow them.—( ficer!)—lle moved.
" That the Meeting deprecated any raisins tend-
ing by forced, precipitate, or endue contraction of
the Cu►reacieaef the Kingdom, to embarrass Tiede
lit general, depress the vales of Property, injure alike
the Poblic Credit, Agriculture, Manufactures, sod
Cot..merce."

Artwnon (a Banker) seconded the Respite.
Lion. awl at great length stated the circosastances of
the different suspensions of Cash Payments, which be
thirty teed from the Reports. In proposing the
present messeses suggested by the Celestine', it op.
peered 'legator to him why they bad acted in such
opprwition to the p inciples adopted by the Legisla.
tete, without enquiries into the estate of these, or to
the great Interests which would be affected. It was
equally singular that se allusion hed been made by
them to the immense debt and briefest, just as if 11 ere
was so coesKtion between the Debt and Cosh Pay.
'Nests; for, on lbs contrary, the stesseree they bed
prnpr.sed would teed to an increase of tie debt and
of e loan, with which the country was already im.
at early loaded. The only proper lie* woold be to
n lace tie debt and tastes cad ties a tante ry cheap

wneld be felt. to 1810, the People suffered Wolof.
ahl), nor were Government free from danger. lisp.
pity we were now relieved from that, net by the
sesresasion of the Constitntion ors Sraudieg Army,
but by the increased issue of the cirrelating mediae.
Nero Mr. A. was isterrepted by a Gentleman, who
said his speech was taken from the Morning Post]—
Mr. A. went nn. The next point so be attended to
Was, the hues by the Bank to (internment. Greet
part of their hese was occasioned es advances to Go.
vers.ment, shish were, however, redared from 1814
to 1816, when they were only 19,009.0001. They
had subsequently increased, till within the last six
insoAths a reduction was gradually elected, which it
was molt important to notice, as part of these ads
sauces were new relnyieg. The Comelier...smote-
mended the repayment of snevs milllens "Sore to
enable the Bank to resume Cash Payments; but he
thought the experience nt 1816 might have suggested
better, as the country was yet in danger, ham whirl
it could only be deli•ered by the marked expression
of public opinion.—(Hear, hear!)
Mr. Nous observed, that while the rich bad all
their luxuries, the peer men had nothing bet his loaf,
and that often was of light weiglit.—(Lerreltfer.)—
Ife cont►nded that by the proposed prices the country
world be reined.—lie had prepared a Petition, pert
of which he would now reed.—Cliere mach cnnfesino
prevailed, bet the Worthy Gentleman persevered,
till the Chairman declared he would en longer listen
to each irrelevant matter, and insisted that he should
sit down, which, after a continued noise, be did.)

Mr. Cusuccs l'ssarom came forward to mole
same itesoletions as an amendment, in dais( which
he would make seise remarks on "that had bees said,
trusting that shoold his s►ntiments be displeasing to
any one, they would at !Pest hear him with condos?,
as he conceived the conclusion drawn by the other
side came front Ulm premise.. Whether the country
Iv, in • flourishing state or net, might be seen from
the Bsiskrept Lists iu the Gazette, the crowded state
of ,he prisons with debtors sad criminals, and the
state of the weatherises. There were not commerce
to the merchant, trade to the shopkeeper, nor bread
is the lahosrer, who certainly was dragging est
miserable esistence ander safferinga too mach for na-
ture to bear. It had been proved that in [mid',
Sheffield, Coventry, dsc the poor were condemned
to the initiating death of hunger. The labourer had
nothing but 7s. • week to sower, himself, wife, and
cbildrou, and had to week 18 boars every day for
that miserable pittance. All was owing to the
paper rurreory, which enabled Government
to wring the lazes with BM iron grasp.—
A state so horribly &lacono, retold not long canto-
sloe, end the only remedy for it was a ►ererreneelo
a healthy currency.—(Hcor, hear t)--11e con.
eluded by moving as an amendment, several Reacts.
tiers?, the sabotaaree of whirh is That the plea-
tog the paper circoloting medium in the hands of any
body, without its being mill. into each et the
will of the holder, enabled that booty to create flee.
limits's, in the value of property, and that therefore
no such power should be given to them. That the
only means of preventiog %writ demi/motion of pro-
perty, was a return to • metallic currency, which
was highly desirable, and should withoet d►li, be
adopted."
Mr. WooLan seconded the onseettled Revolutions,
and contended that the persons •oo mad called this
Meeting, were decidedly the mends of the 11.14.-1
They bad elegy sepporteit the somas .re. of A••mrr,is.
'ration. The rights of the c.•untry hail tot g b►rm M.
sailed, end were now nearly trrospled alt .g-t,,mr,
and it was therefore their dots tesist she at vestal.
One would have thought that the ieta et the Cabinet,l
pledged for paying the notes to fire m•'s•hs after she
first restriction, would have 1.41 them to discharge
their premier, lostiod of which, it hod now hero
Carried on for twenty•two years. Th► Bank had
made immense profits, and were etiosequestly ea.
willing to have the system +tiered on which they
bad so long fattened When, therefore, it was
greed that the 'edemas which would be affected by a
return of gold. %imolai be considered, it •right also to
be recollected that the 'yahoo having beer a system
of vast profit to those greedy usurers, they bad no
right to complain. Hirable, in fact, to pay, they
were glad to have any pretest for avoiding it, and
I therefore opposed the plans of Ike Committees ; for
besides their inability, they hod no intention to pay.
Ile woo astonished uo allusion bad been made to t►e
abominable murders committed on esecutions for
forgery, not that in saying so, he did not think
forgery a crime, but because the temptation to com-
mit it was so meow. To speak also of loam, was
to tontines the present system, for every Minister
was sure to spend every farthing be got.
Major Twinges differed totally with the two last
speakers. He did not mean to contend that the cava-
lry was is • flourishing stole, because It mast be by
all admitted, that the greatest distress was occasioned
by the excessive taxation, which had Injured bur
commerce and auseefactsreo. He opposed the Reso-
lutions just read, feeling they would lead to an in-
&ease of the debt, as gold at present was Ave per
cent. above paper, and of coarse, by introdecing the
former, five per cent. would be added to the debt. Ile
was astonished such a measure could be supported
by men who ware in the habit of declaiming daily
against tazat ion. Ile lamented the locusts of forgeries
moonset as any enecoold, but it should be remembered
that if there w►re forgeries now, thine were convk•
lions for coining prier to 1797. Against that pert
of the Report be certainly would raise his feeble
voice, viz. that which went to aubstitate bullion as
payment in the place of coin, because the former was
more 'slily exported then the latter. Feeling that
the ceentry could ant bear the risk which might be
ran by the ameadineat being adopted, he should op-
pose it.
Mr. IluxT went into a detail of the miseries aria.
log from the present system, which, ha contended,
h■ti led to the ruin of the cowry. Ho read an ac-
count of a Meeting like the present, held at the
Mansion•bosse, in 1797, when the Lout Mayor
(Watson) presided, who was afterwards crested a
Baronet, and appointed to a place under Govern-
' Mo. lie aloe read an entract from a work tolled
Paper against Gold (toy Cobbett), to prove the
danger of • paper currency ; and concluded by mov-
ing • Resolution, by way of rider, to those
voted by Mr. Pearson, and sat down in the midst of
mein and coelesiee.

LONDON:

WWIfIDAT, MAT 19, 1819.

As Ilsdings says, in Bawas's Earl of Essex,
" I have a world of hastiness on my mind, and bet u
feat minutes of life for its transaction." We have
bet • little spec., though emelt tat say. The debates
of lest night base timed 'slimes of matter! Tho
rootworks of the fortlicition ate giving way—the
citadel will soon be accessible, but the treasure is
gene—all, all conserved. The isveterate *sent, has
mods away with the gold ; their soccessera most be
contented with iron. Yet iron skilfully used will
eel gold—we shall beet our share of it again, on.
der soother and • better system. We west, hoe.
ever, be alert, or our bands will be tied by as enemy
onsespected et this • time. We are in danger
of witnessing the fact, that we have ipest four bon.
dyed mafiosi of debt, and incurred an additional
twenty millions of taus, to create a more powerful
enemy than ever Groot Britain had to cope with
the Doke of WILLI*GTON'e skill and velour
should not be ablest repel the new species of dan-
ger which se eats see at no great distance from es;
perhaps his generosity (fat with a tree hero that
quality keeps pace with his courage) may mist his
poor country with the nee of a million of the ate•
nay it bus so liberally bestowed on him. Great
Britain, however, will stead in steed of defenders
at a cheaper rate than she has oblaie►d them within
the lost twenty sears. If the call to the " Stste of
the Nation" raises sects a feeling, as is otivioasly
fast rising at this moment, what will the call to
" The danger of Ike Nation" do ? And the sooner
ibis call be made too, the safer will it be rendered.
The vessel of the State baa long been in a reissue
sod perils's! truck ; s►e must be put ■bout, as the
nautical phrase is, bet she will right with an honest pi-
lot on beard, sod a few soond.beerted fore matt men.
New is the time for proclaiming "The miseries of

Femme, • *stelae to Englishmen;' bet net in the
■sower leshioaled by Mr. A. Vaunts, and by alter
mercies to the fr.ed.'sm of ill it enentry !!! To.
Morrow we ma) be stile tit mike s.mr Luther re.
marks open %hp proceedings yesterday at St. Ste.
phenia, sod at toe I.nistion Tasrrn.

Me. Case! Nisi ',aub inferior In Mr Prrt as ers
crater, with whom, indeed, there can I*, there might
to be no comparison, is yet a plausible aimaker, end
bee intimated she Coeufry Goeflernini ; bet the
charm is at an sod, for hi, volubility of language
arose from presuirepfiun. His very colleagues par.
took of the same folly, all, in short, rammer to hate
been equally &piped of their reason by his logos.
cities boldness. If the /Adana of the Ns ~, could
have taken a praspernev tern. Instead of so adierua
one, ender the Administration of which he is a Mem.
bor, the greater portion .1 the writ of such sacs
yes, would bare been ascribed to Gi..aoa (:Annul,..
As things are oboes to torn oat, he will as.questinnehly
be set down as a Ministerial and Parliameoary boa,.
The crafty Gentleman is obviously peeing the way,
if not for a new place, at least for sew fellowsser.
wants. He does ant deny that thole say bore been
dissimilar opinions in the Cabinet open wow points
of discussion. Ile admitted that he held singular
opiniors.—it was she more easy for him to be in NaIOPS
milk himself. Ministers, however (he added), had
agreed selbciently, and that was quite enough. No
doebt in one thing they were folly agreed, i. c. that
however they might be in disarming sill+ one umber,
they would slick to place and to etch other as long
as possible. The hat part of his s;.rech wee sou
dotabiedly able and elopeot, and well calculated to
make the desired impression epos the House; bet
the effect of that kind of rhetoric is summary—.
logic, sound lonic will p farther.
The last French Papers bring the eatclaslon of the
trial of M cairn and CANTILLON for tbe prirtooded
attempt on the life of she Duke of WELLIMOTOS.--
The A ovOCAIMG almost soapily his case be.
forest weal to the Joey, oho, af'er deliberating about
half an beer, declared ir umaxisious verdict to
be that the accovtd were Net Galli! The applies'
of the Pihbc on the occasion sallicientlyviince their
opinion of the whole affair. MASI/4ST and cANTIL.
Lox were liberated amid general rejoicing. We shall
give the macular, folly ro•rnorrow. The length of
the Debates sloop peseta,' es from doing In now.
Yesterday Earl UATIIVIReT sod Count blustris
bad'aodiences of the PiIIICE Ihroset. •

The DJk► of Y.'s& transacted military business
with the Patric' liamswr t►stetday.
Tbe Doke of Yu*Khalil L►•ee y►et►rday, at kis
Office in the Hurt•-Guard., sad gate sedi.nees to
between forty and fifty G►ntl►men.

ORLRAMI. APRIL 7.—An i tion is sail
to bare broken cot in • district of ilia West. relied
Grande•Anse. President Boyer has issued a severe
Proclamation against these Insargents. in whirl, he
tremens them with annihilation if trey do not jennies.
diately &unit to the troop. merehlog sgssns• that.
A tael•nrbely accident occorn4 last nib. it the
corner of Bowestreet. in Long•aere. A Gentissogg's
carriage was proceeding; with great velocity to the
*1 hestle. and jeet us it had reached the above spot,
knotted dean a .coe little boy, about seven yeas of
age; the wheels green over his body aid killed hies
on the spot. Ho was taken iesmedistely onto the
shop of Mr. Wallis, the oil end colour.w•n. Tao
LAW, were in the clumps, who sestsntly alighted,
and their (polies% can tie beets coocrived than dee
sclibist!.--We have sot yet been able to IPSfII to
whom the Add
Monday last • youth, about 17greers old. was
apprehended begging In the streets of Plymouth. sod
conveyed to the wutkbouse. Oa osemessing him its
conk! not speak a ward at English. Vastnes
interpreters attended, but none c••etd •ude.seswd
hie. On Wednesday the Mayer a blue. god
ordered that he should be tied up and dogged; when,
after hewing received a few lashes, he roared oat
Murder! in plain English, and begged to be takes
down, confessing himself an impostor. sod that hie
name wu Frederick .Vorigay. of Minos-garde%
londuo. He mss immediately committed I. Brides.

A few days since,. farmer's wife at Bsllydine, was
deli►ered of 6►e &mule children► three of whom are
Herald )

DUAL, MAT 18.-011011 doo• from the River end
tetntio, the Carroty:lon, Koss, for Bomber; Si..
114111111, Peter', for Doblin ; Mary, Wilkinson, for
Demerara; Cooed, Miller, for St. Viocent's ; tttstl
%I/swotted, Itiehottl•, f•fr ditto. . _

PORTilliar [if, MAT lA—Arrived his Majesty's
ship Rosario, from 111
PLYNOUTII, MAT I7.—Pared up Channel the
Urania, liatchinsoo, from St. %raiment's, for London.
—Caw in the Mentor, —, from Loud", for
Oporto; Friends, Bert., front Rose°lF; Vieroyy,
Be•see, from Jersey ; and Horatio, Tozer, frost
Guernsey. •
FALIAOCTU,NAT 16.—Arrimad the Jaw, Brabyn,
from Loodon.—wiled the Baamish, Painter, for
Cardiff and Constantinople.

COV/P, MAT 111.—Arrived lie brig Weer,
Poonder, of Sonderland, from St. Jsgo do Cobs,
with sew end coffee, for orders, out 54 days.
LIVEUPOOI., MAT 16.—Arrived tint Henry, Can.
non, from Mitnnhern ; sollrd 18th Mardi: on tbe
14ib April, in lat. 22. is. N. lon. 55. 45. spas the
brig Irene. if and from Halifax for Jamaica, milk
tossed bowsprit and stern bast. On lit May, is Ist.
44. 32. lon. 33.20. spoke the brig John, of sadiron
North Shields for Quebec. not 34 dip. Someday
spoke the brig Omniern.of Neweastlr, for Q. ibis.

Cotes ESUIANGt, MAT 19.—There have been
no fresh arrivals of Wheat sine, Monday, bat s
large gesatity remained over front that day's fowl?,
for wit.rh 11.Prit was eery Tittle deemed thib woroure,
and pries, may be foundered tether lower.--la
!Jolley. P.as, and Beans Owe is bat little do*.
anti prices 'wetly sominal.—The 'apply of Oats is
'pry low, and (sr exceeds the demand; what fry
sales worm made to-day were on lower wino thus ass
Monday, and only fine fresh Corn rootd be got off.

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At his fatheia bathe, la PlethilsUy. Da Mery Piga. IW. M
the age sr 15 mu Frederick, the wily saa aad .•eir d tall
HOll. Mr. 1)110111001M1 1/011111.

LONDON : Primed dad Mlawi ...is b 7 S. penny, st.ll:
&LITMAN thricao.No. 4, 3alleborpcoset, Fleevetrad.