The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-07-13 00:00:00

AVM SqVITS:

The CH AN CEl.l:iilt of the EXCIIt.QUER thee row. per-
wow to awits. to wore that no hettilile Address be presented to
the Protat Regent. peas lag that be world be gratioitty
Cite
to direct Oust the follow lag tame he paid and assuring
bine that the Home w 0.11.1 wake Rood the wine. lle proposed
also. 'bat the Address •Itoold i.. the let en•taisce pray 'Wit Lis
Royal Righters% world be pleated to roofer woe dtgo.ty is the
Ch.ttels Oil the Res. Christopher Wort.tworth, Chapala to that
Hoeg..
o J. Ile .edes. I'•q.. r kairm36 of the Coo-Mimi £1.200
To Mr L Closet Clerk. reek sew at world, toge-
ther with bit f •ev, atnec.t

5,5 . 0

Tn Mr. Rickman, world Clerk, seek saw as would
I.ke canoe► amsout In

To Mr. J. 1)..... for roenpittng na lode' to the
Jewesses, hem the period of the Union shit trehaad... COO
Some adequate compessatioo to the OM. lading
Committees.
Mr Wickham. for preparing a digest of the eel-
&ewe ,aken befo.e the Committee ea tditeatiost... 150
To Mr. N. Carlisle, Secretary to the Commisahla foe
eago Wing iwisthe Abeam, of Chalks/4i ....... ....... 111,01)
To Joao Smith. Esq. a Member of that House, and
Choitson of ihe Committee on the Haskres Law. in
rinse's ee of certain ea primes to which be bad been
K 11
immins pat. awl for payment of a ren son al. su to
as 3
Nears. Kaye, Ffeilli.l6l, tad CO.
After • few words from the CIIANCELLOII of the EX.
CH L UEH.themttioawnagreedto.
hlr. HUN' E a.id, that to the absence of his Noble
Prieltd (Lord A. Haeriltou), he bad to sebmit to the
noose a motion similar to the last, namely, that an
Address be presented to the Prince Regent for a seas
net exceeding 2,0001. to defray the expellees of the,
witnesses 'swooped by the Committee on the Royal
Berths of S;citlan,l. The Committee had been ob.
Hired to collect information from places bOO miles
distant. A great nensber of the Petitioners had come
In Linden to be estminell, and they made on charge ;
bur the no* was different with respect to the Town.
Clerk of Aberdeen, and the Magistrates of several
other borers, whose weedier., bad been ordered by
the Commi.ree.
Mr. LONG said, that no Member then in the
House bad the means of aseerteining whether or sot
this was a proper sem, and he thoeght that the
meant of it night et least i• have had the suction
of the Chairman.
Mr. HU E slid, the Noble Chairman had con.
meeicated with she Chencellor of the Eacheqver on
the subject, se& being obliged to lease the House,
had pot the motion into his (Mr Hease's) band with.
set any esplanation. In one point of view, there
was on similarity bet seen this grant and that which
had been last voted, for in ibis case us Solicitor had
Men employed by the Committee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that the Noble Lord being obliged to be absent, bad
requested the lion. Member for Aberdeen to make
the present motion for him. He certainly thooght
that persons summoned nn stabile business, and sot
attending on their own Petition', were entitled to re.
menerrion for their ettendince.
Mr. B. BATHURST thought it would be better if
the Treasury were to lay down a settled rale en this
suhjeet.
Mr. HUME thought the only object should be to
fie the charges at the lowest scale possible, bet that
it would be hard to refuse to individuals the payment
of those eapenees which they bad been compelled to

Mr. GRENFELL was of opinion, that the case
of a Committee employing Solicitors ought not to
be regarded as a precedent.
Sir J. M A KJORI BA NKS said, that in the !PIMP
of the enquiry there had beets lavish espenditore
some where, at.d he would pledge himself to produce
institutes.
Mr. F. DOUGLAS denied that thee, had been
any espencr iscorred by the Committee that could
have been prevented.
Mr. J. P. GRANT reeretted that be had only
entered the House as the lion. Baronet (Sir J. Mar.
jitribasks) was sitting down. In answer to what had
been said of wasteful eapence, he could inform the
Honourable Baronet, that certain persons who had
attended the Committee bad made most exorbitant
charges.
Sir J. MARJORI BANKS repeated that there had
born a waste of eapeoce, and he was prepared to
prove it. '
Mr. J. P. GRANT declared, that the charge, if
made against the Committee, was unfounded.
The motion was then aKreed to.
CAPE OF ROOD IMPF.

Tbe CII A N E1.1.0R t Ito EXt, II EQU ER mid,
be had to propose anoi..er Address, to thr object el
elicit be should briefly call the atieniinn of the
House. The Right llonourableGentleiban then ad.
vetted to lb* attempts u Lich bad been mule to in.
deco persons disposed to emigrate to settle at the Cape
of Good Hopei sad stated that he prop, ed the pro
met Address for 'be purpose of ?alibiing Goveremehi
to the that eecouregoment on a lats.r stale. He
coacehed that thi. colony held out greeter indeco.
mesh to moistest+ than any of the colonies in North
America • because (mums, wires, oace Gard nn the
OA of !A Gips of GM Dopes would always 6ad

tbessoelves is possession of the weans of sebai•tenee,
while she genial aaindneot of the clitaillt, and the
fertility of the soli, rendered I:itle clastore ne.
emery. The principal place chosen for the reception
of emigrants was ea the soeth•east coral, end peso
seated a food harbour, with easy other local silvan.
tag's. It certaiul) wag not proposed to carry not
persons whollyclestiloto of the means of 9rovi.ling
for themselves That'esperleuent bad been tried, bet
bad been fogad to begalterided with great Incarnate-
Moues. A mall depntit would therefore be required
from then before leasing this cowry, ea a security
for their providiry for tbemsetres when they arrived
at the colony. The caantry was peculiarly f-
able to the graying of tering, sorts of trait; and,
spun the whole, there could be no doubt dist per.

sans, as 1..'. u 1011441. nook, And 111'4,140,ns env.
fortsblr. 11. enneledpd by mooing en nrlA...so r+, a

seat, not exceeding 50,0001. to t» issued free deli
to lime, ender such orgelatinna as might he thought
novenae', for the eisenoraureent of persons dials .sed
to settle in his Majesty's colony at the Caplet Good
'lope.

Mr. HOME approved of the motion, bet regretted
that it did not go farther HP tbnischt thee the pa.
fishes should he obliged to subscribe, is order to send
oar abie•bodird men who cook! not get einploimeot
in this country. He conceived it would be no great
relief to the country, he iis present &outraged elate,
if only persons of capital were tent not of it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, it was part of .e plan that parishes sh..uld be
allowed to sul.scribe ; but any thing like compel.
sort' gobsctiptioo coud not be thought of.--((lce',
hear!)
Aldermen WOOD observed, that there was in this
country a great quantity of waste laud; in one piece
no less than 80,000 , which, if cultivated,
j would give roploymeot to many 'shooters. and yield
a considerable I'INPOde to Government. He thought
that people should sot be sent out of the country,
when there were tho memos of employing them et
home, eapecially as the money proposed to be sent
along with them would be lost to this kingdom.
Mr. C. HUTCHINSO'N approved of the grant.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
made a remark across the table, which ass instilible
in the gallery.
Mr. WILLIAMS was convinced that this coon-
try possessed within itself the memos of employment
for all its inhabitants, end nothing more was faces•
spry than to colligate those lands which at present
were waste.

Sir J. MARJORIBANKS made a few remark.,
after which the motion eat agreed to.
Mr. HUME wished to oak a Right Hon. Gentle.
man oppnlite (Mt. Coonlna), if any further infnervig.
lion bad been received respecting the condoct of Sit '
Thomas II!slop at the fort of Talerier ?
Mr. CANNING was understood to reply in tkil
negative.
FINANCE RESOLUTIONS.
Sir H. PARNELL, in roiling to move the Order
of the Day fnr reasoning the debate on the Resole.
lions which he had formerly kid on the table,
thoeght It unnecessary for him to ente► into the ge.
aural questinn of the finances of the country. Is
was convinced that if an investigatinn were serious-
ly entered into, with the view of redecing the peblie
expenditure, very important redactions might be
elected In various deputises's. The Committee of
Finance, in their last WTl's, bad calcolated upon
redaction of 200.0031. upon the expenditure for
1820, bat they had ont in that cslcelation taken
into mount any retrenchment of public office'. The
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, In his statements,
hurl held oat roe prospect of seek retrenchments.—.
Yet he was prepared to maintain. that in every
branch of those offices a considerable saving might
be made. The collection of the revenue at present
cost the Public 7 per rent.; by reducing it to 5 per
cent. 1,203,0001. anal(' be saved. Whatever might
be the merits or defects of bit Resolationo, he had
spared no Isboer in making them as corrert as posit.
; end he bad bete careful not to make the sett.
ral statements more favourable to his views than the
strictest accuracy warranted. Ille had stated the
money paid to the Bask as paid for mangling gene.
rally; it neght to have been for managing the public
debt. He bad stated the number of •seeaten at
r 19,000, the number ought to have been 40.000.
He bad been led into a mistake also, in calculating
the eapences in the ofice of the Secreh►y at War.
The 'aptness ■nder this head for 1798 had bum
stated at 80001., when they ought to have been
stated at 51,0001. Bat veil the sem voted the fourth
, year of peace. 55,0001.. was 40001. more than it
bad been In 1798, which bad been the third year of
, the war. In stating the increase of the Civil List,
, it night to have been mated to have I ed frem
900,0001. to 1,030,0001. 11. should not now
enter more fellyinto the subject, bet on a more
, convenient occasion he should prove that his Were

awes were correot.
Mr. C. LONG disclaimed any imputation easiest
the Horn. Bart. of hawing intended to mislead Om
House in any respect. The lion. Hart. had isistitoted
a compsricon of Customs and Escise; and the infer.
One, to be made was, that the one • as ewe:ugly
well collec:ed, and the other eutremelv ill To
make loch a comperison fair, the till, ;a. compared
ought to stand upon the tame principle; but no fair
compsrison could be instituted between thing, so
different as the Customs and Eacese- the nue amount.
ing nail to 10,000,0001., while the other aasnented
Ito 40,000,0001. In the charges of collection things
slet, charged which hid nothing In tin with them—.
se eh Es 'co 011CP.1 soloing from N.•iiminnll,l""•Q".
routine Lows. and Worphou•ing Gonda. 'l',
Bart. Lad ecintiaird th•chaig-a of 1810 and 1819.
Bar in 1811 of lees had been enacted,
ulich threw !Are charges upon the collection of the
Revenue. 'the Hon. Donne, hod • token many
of his ointments from she Report of the Commi.too
of Amount. in 1788 1! r considerable Loprore-
rnetsts bed boon made dc,inK the last 30 'errs. The
Hon Brunner had 'row,. a consolidation of
the Cl...Pleog. Now, Dot less roan three MVP'S! AO/
of Crootejdotino bad posed;
one in 1807. end tro•
which had been introduced by Di. ROI Hon. Fiend
'hi', PI,. The Ai I of 1807 hail been slid by Os
11.. n. Bsrnnet to hoer prodoced no bereft:. because
the Tre•soc, bad interPred and taken into their nen
lag soy merit le biloaeir, he mild may that be bed
hands tho disposal of setchorro. Without arrogat-