The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-06-20 00:00:00

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alai he contended they had a right to dispose of it sob
wet to the rights of persons actually in existence.—
(Hear, Hear, Hear.) T
This right of interference bad
been exercised by the Parliaments of both conatries;
the same right had been also exercised by the
Governments of foreign countries. Claud' este.
blishments were in fact no part of the Christisa Reg.
giro, woe were they necessary for ite support. He had
the authority of Doctor Paley for this position, and he
(Mr. Home) contended that, at all events the allowance
madeto the Irish Clergy was considerably too mech.—.
This allowance was, of itself, a source of disaffectien ;
but it happened that the duties themselves were most im
efficiently performed. He admitted the service and re.
respectability of a resident Clergy ; but a great pears,.
tion of the Irish Clergy were absentees; and the many
drawn from the industry of the people was spent at Bath,
Paris and other place. Another ohjectiom to the present
system was the present practice of the Ecclesiastical
Courts; sad another was to be fused is the anode °feel-
teeing the tithes. The landed lientineem had lowered
their relate, hut few of the Clergy hail lowered their
tithes.—[The Honourable Member here stated au is
stance of a refusal to lower tithes preportimeety
with the fall is the aerieultaral produce.]a4lia
had received many letters containing ether exempla.
on the same subject; one from the Earl of °leaden,
stalled, • rise In' the insoltit of tithe. made by
the Bishop of Waterford. Ito had also the espy
of an address to the OrendJoryedUalmiy, in the !triad
Assizes of 1822. eomplehtilig of rise pressure or tithes,
and stating that the petitioners were charged as much
for tithe as they were when their peednee was four Owl
its present value. These petitioners admitted that their
rests had not been increased 4er thkty years. Ile tem
;lanai this circumstance to show hew 11111hig AS the
charge made by hi. Majeety's /diallers listed the
landed Gentleotee of Irelands bet Ministate were made
enough to Shift blame front their owe shouldersspoe
those et others. This was a subject of the lint mom
florae* to this Matey. which was compelled le tappet,
the expense of keeping down the unhappy people who
were goaded by oppression to resistance. And, yet, the
two, Right Hon. a rraries opposite, Bed the Alters's.
General for Ireland, mere perfectly trilling to droves-kW
inquiry, and to lows this load of eintrrieg enteechrd
for the meting sin mouths. If the liervranseitt seats
ed this "realm sad chewed nu disposition to memo
it, the people wield be driven to resistance. He be.
lieved that neither the Archbishops, sot the Bishs
had dome their dots; for be srai prepared to show the
evils attending their nonmaideate. Is ea; pest of this;
his assertion, he had only to refer to the puldishniam
respondence between Lord Bleyery awl the imbalaitsew
of Castle Blayne?, respecting the neglect shown is their
and his appliesdius to the Bishop of Clocher.—[The
Hon. Member Isere read the arreepoodencej mils weeld
ask the Right Hon. Secretary himself, whether he bad
not, during the continuant* el his (disci. Indust,
heard many complete*. of Clerical Aimenterehipi
and this he (Mr. Hume) believed was a page% erne
of the absence of Landed Proprietors. 'Hs lewd
by returns on the tehis, that there were 1270 begetter
in Ireland, and theft only 710Llergymen wise N.
sided upon their livings. Nom were more ready to ant
about religtee.lim, his
ailtersity's Aim:sten yet it arse
they who wieeminte • that guttered used asp-
tem of &trawls* nesletity t was • perfect mockery to
suppose that the of Nedra, emuid remote the mil t
for the evil eras Y' in abeentoesdelp. He oaslerswod
that the late Map of De wan absent fifteen or twat"
years from Inflated. The Had: Member here refined
to the answers given by the Irish .Bishops W circular
letter from the Lord Lieutenant, loquiri,:g the slam of
the church. One of the inquiries was, sew the vales el
the land in each diocese, end only one Bishop emewered
the question. Of the 1270peresiss holding•honeises.
only 460 bad made the memos required of thews. The
property of the Bishops consisted of two-elf/Tomas ot Ike
whole property. The Bids* et the whole Combent
bad not em.leteme gig Ittgaseist the Higher tOrs-,
land. no would prone this IT glebes,. world ge into •
Committee as the subject. He believed England wad
Ireland were the only contrite in Europe I. which a
tenth: was exacted from the rodeos to support the
Church. It was sold the Goveronteat was weaseled
with the Church; but a Government which could Weep
ported only by the Church did not deserve s he sap-
ported at all. He knew of no reason why this emeutry
should not follow the example of Prance and othereses-
tries, in which tithes were abolished, and allwitieela
made to the Clergy. Is some countries the Clergy tete
allowed only a third of the testis, aid yet they were
highly respectable.—[The Hoe. Member here refer*
to a statement in support of his latter preposition. amo-
k; the mode in which the Clergy of foreign ma-
ttes were paid, and the amount of the paymentsj—
Unless the root of the evil were to be skied at. it would
be impoisible to expect relief, and he therefore !sweated
the house not to refuse inquiry. Parliament had voted
away sums for the support of the Church ; hit he was
prepared to show diet most of the sums had found their
way into the pockets of the great Dignitaries while the
poor Curate, were left to starve. 'l'he objets of the
Committee he intended to propose was principally to
ascertain the value and distribution of the Church pro-
perty of Ireland. Unless a review of this Establishment
were taken, it would be impossible to expect any remedy
for thin grievance of so many centuries shoaling. He
had no desire to interfere with existing interests. He
would be satisfied, as he had no doubt the people would
be, with a Resolution pledging itself early is the nest
Session to take into its consideration the state of the
Chirch Establishment of Ireland, with • view to make
such iterations as may be found desirable. The Ho-
nourable Member concluded by moving a Resolution to
this effect.

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Mr. LLL:CE seconded the motion. He regretted that
the Hon. Member opposite had given op his own m
tiou on this subject. He preferred a motion of a limited
nature, but he was quite prepared to support the presest
motion. This, he apprehended, was no new question,
for it bad long been considered that the subject week
ultimately press itself on the consideration of govern'
mint. He denied that the property called chnrch pro-
perty Was another than national property. subject to
the rights of persons at present in possession of it. Tbe
tithe system of Ireland was most oppressive ; he under-
stood that there were es mane at 46,1.100 snits for tithes
in the county of Galway within the last live or sit years.
Yet he was not disposed to exempt the landl•ml from the
payment of tithes, because, as he had before mentioned.
he considered the tithes as church pro,ierty.
Mr. D. BROWNE said he was in favour of a comes-
tation of tithes ; hut he thought the revolattedill
speech of the hot member would disincline menyval/0-
bers from such a
ail those who supported c'a
present motion. mtiosinu.taHtieo(ntilor.vliote)agesilsedinsrothlie
Sir J. N FtY PORT said it was a matter of serious com-
plaint against those who had exercised the tiovernment
of Ireland, that they bad left the question so long amet.
tied to :gitste and irritate the public mind of that coot-
try. They were now promised that early in the
awn
Session the tiovernment would either bring forerardsome
plan fur the remedy of the evils complained of, or the!
would state that the efforts to provide such remedy had
failed.—This dill not satisfy him. Five tears ago, the
Noble Lord at the head of his Majesty's GOVCIIITeRt
(Lord Liverpool) told Parliament and the country that.
he should speedi'y he prepared with measures to ametta
the tithe system of Ireland; and Moodier* were Ws*
seqncasof induced to delay their exertions; but from dill