The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1842-07-05 00:00:00

FHE ORANGEMEN AND THE 12TH OF JULY

e intimated briefly in a paragraph in our last, that, con

ry to the

rmination announced in a placard, to whic

ention at the time, the Orange societies of I

verpool would walk in procession

they originally intend

ed, on the approaching 12th of Jul
stated this fac
principles of Orangeism should
the face of the declared wishes of tl

;--with sorrow that men professing the loya
resolve deliberately to fly it

authorities, and thus

give countenance to the slanders of the host of enemies by
which their order is systematically maligned; and it is with
t' inability to report, on behalf

body, a more consistent,

üblnission to " the power

We recc

the specious reasons put forward

whilst

which en

offenders a
s of our tov

sted to. communicate with I,

otter gen,

~ unit upper, jun., rsq.,
with that body, to urge upon them this

ANNUAL MEETING OF THE SHIPMASTERS

ASSOCIATION

The second annual meeting► of the members of this useft
and promising association was held yesterday, at their co-
in Oldhall-street, for the purpose of receiving the re,
the committee, and electing the officers and con,-
With some pain we I the ensuing year.

Mr. Vi7A4-. itowErr was called to the chair, and after I
opening the business of the meeting, as be
of a formal nature, and exi
tendence was not so numeroi
to the extreme wetness of th
tary to read the statement of

as !night be c

st wholl
t the at

ntsand-the report of th

committee.
Mr. S. Moss, the secretary,
accordingly read a summak,
of the accounts. It appeared from this, and the explanation
given by Mr. M., that the association
without an adequate fund in hand, they had
with a considerable debt, in consequence t.
outlay increased by fitting up the rooms, t
furniture, and other items; but, we are hap
society is, by judicious measures, rapidly re
from this drawback, by diminishing the expendit,
way that economy can suggest, consistently with th,
and utility of the institution—the prospects of v
on the whole, more favourable than at the

having commenced

versary meeting
The following are the heads of the report for t
A considerable portion of the time of the comet
been occupied in endearourine

to orgar

method of shipping seamen

the services of a gentleman whose
pointed him out as well ouAlitied for the ardur
the committee flattered themselves that the'
been enabled to commence efficient operatic
but an unforseen and insurmountable (Mc
has unhappily placed the matter in abet
The rooms have been made available.
of vessels, &c., and it is hoped those
they become aware of the fact, avail the
vilege.

litte had

interested wil

The committee had also afforded every assistan(
power to those discussing the details of the bill n
parliament on the subject of appointing boards of
tion of future masters and mates in the merchar
A public meeting of the members and others int
the subject had been held, and communications tr
time to time to Lord Sandon and Sir H. Douglas
always evinced great anxiety for the well being of th
tion and the furtherance of the interests of the shi
generally.

- Some allusion was made to the rather inconvenient localit,
of the rooms, and the committee had long been on the look
out for a more advantageous site, though hitherto withou
avail. On this point we cannot help expressing our opinioi
that if an arrangement could be come to between the asso
elation and the projectors of the " Seaman's Home," ;
building (with distinct entrances and apartments) might b
erected in a suitable part of the town, worthy of the praise
worthy objects which each has in view.

The report concludes by alluding to the its,
jects of natural history, curiosities, &c., liberally pi-,
to the association, and respectfully calls on masters of ye
sels that they may essentially contribute to the prosperity
utility, and attraction of the institution, by continuing to
present such objects of interest and curiosity.
Captain PICKERING, of the Jay!,
be received and circulated.
IVl`Dowm., of the Liverpool, and unammou.,.,
Mr. ROWETT moved and JOAN FORMBY, Esq. sec
a motion to the effect that the thanks of the mee'
given to Mr. Herbert, and the other gentlemen NO-

This w

moved that the report
s seconded by Captain

e committee for shipping seamen,- for their exe
promoting so desirable an arrangement. The mo'
accompanied with an eulogium on the conduct of th
tlemen. This motion was also passed unanimously.
were also voted to the committee, and to the contril
the association.

Lord Sandon was again named as patron, and as vice-pa-
trons, Sir J. Walmsley, Jno. Cropper, Esq., and Sir Howard
Douglas. The names of a committee of twenty-one gentle-
men were appended. The motion was carried nem. con.
Mr. FORMBY moved a vote of thanks to Mr. Moss, the se-
cretary of the association and master of the rooms, in terms
highly complimentary to that gentleman.
Mr. Moss returned thanks in a brief but most appropriate
address, at the conclusion of which he appealed to the mem-
bers in behalf of the Mariners' Society, the funds of which
were most flourishing, and of which they might readily take
advantage for their families against casualties; and in behalf
of the " Shipwrecked Seamen and Fishermen's Society," also
strong in funds, to be recommended to their crews. From
what was stated, both societies hold out extraordinary ad-
vantages—the one to captains and the other to seamen ; but
we have not space to enter into their merits in our present
publication.
The thanks of the meeting were then cordially voted to
the chairman, and the members dispersed.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STAND-112D.
Sin,—Your endeavours to expose and put the public on
their guard against swindling and thimble rigging in a cer-
tain quarter is most praiseworthy, and in this all support and
encouragement should be given you. I observe the cabal are
agitating with a view to force you "to shut up shop." I
warn you, as these persons professionally carry horsewhips,
you run some risk in invading such a nest of hornets. But
set the herd at defiance, and persevere in writing them down.
and showing them up, trusting to the agis which public opi-
nion will throw over you.

As bragadocias and bullies, always cowards, are ever vaunt-
ing their courage and bravery, so swindlers, gamblers, et " id
onnie genus," are ever cracking of their honour, honesty, and
gentility forsooth ; and indeed if overreaching, low cunning,
and tricking of every description be honourable, then are the
persons alluded to all honourable men, and quite gentlemen !
Liverpool, July 1, 1842. L.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL S

Sict,•—When Mr. R. V. Yates placed his notice on th
council paper, alleging charges against the agents of th
system of education now happily adopted in the Corporatioi
Schools, I thought that he and all who supported him wer
at least premature in their demand for inquiry. I conceived

in the next place, that Mr. 'Yates was acting not so much
from personal conviction, as under the influence, if not the
advice, of a gentleman who affects, in his public communi-
cations on the subject, to be a disciple of Socrates. Lastly,
I imagined that the motion was one of the resources of fac-
tion, concocted in insincerity, and intended, whichever way
it ended, to serve the purpose of faction. On these g
I considered that the proposition ought to be rejecteu
little more mature consideration, however, has materially
modified my opinion ; and, without assigning motives or al-
leging suspicion,' I now think that the charges advanced by
Mr. Yates ought to be deliberately investigated, and the evi-
dence of ALL the witnesses,in the form of question and an-
swer, laid upon the council table.

rounds

Among the many 'considerations which have had weight
with me in forming this opinion, there are two which, to my
understanding, appear conclusive. The first is justice to the
public; and the second is the existing necessity for putting
an end to what has really become a vexata qucestio.
The first of these considerations is, in truth, the most im-
portant to the council ; and it being in the nature of an ab-
stract proposition or self-evident truth, it is not likely to be
seriously contested in argument. I shall therefore content
myself with observing, that it is not sufficient to say with
Mr. Birkett, that a decisive majority of conservatives having
been sent to compose the council, all the acts of the majority
are necessarily just towards the public. As to principles
no doubt Mr. Birkett is right ; but in the practical applica
tion of all principles, wrong may be committed without th
veracity, so to speak, of the principle itself being impeaches'
Let Mr. Birkett take an illustration of my meanin,-
himself. In social and commercial iife he is a man of h,
and integrity. No person who has any knowledge of sock
in Liverpool would think of doubting either. Honour ant
integrity constitute his principle of action towards all the
world ; but suppose artifice and misrepresentation cause him
to prosecute an innocent man—what then ? Why, even then,
nobody questions the uprightness of his intentions, but every-
body must regret that his acts have, more or less, produced
injustice. In like manner, the Education Committee—
strong in the conviction that their motives are pure, and
their principles of action founded on the very highest of all
duty—perhaps fbrget that what is right in the aggregate may
include something wrong in detail. The habits of mankind
are but a consolidation of their thoughts; but although, hu-
manly speaking, their habits may be right, who will venture
to defend all their thoughts ? Therefore, with all due defe-
rence to the opinion of Mr. Birkett, I am bound to say that,
without having any such intention, the Education Committee
may, in some way or other, by their agents, whether inferior
or superior I care not, have done injustice. Mr. Yates, on
the part of those whom he represents, affirms that they have ;
and a minority—not to be despised because they differ from
the opinions held by the majority—believe him. The coun-
cil is a legislative, not a partisan assembly ; and on these
several grounds I venture, in opposition to my first opinion,
to declare my conviction that they will fail in their duty to
the public if they refuse to institute a full and an impartial
inquiry into all the allegations of Mr. Yates which involve
the sacred principle of justice.
The other ground on which I recommend an investigation
is the opportunity it will afford of setting the question at
rest. I most conscientiously believe, that nothing but a
solemn act of the council, founded upon a deliberate, itnpar_
tial, and complete inquiry into all specific charges that can
be advanced against the mode of working the system, or the
system itself, (for, in order to obtain rest from future agita-
tion, I would even enlarge Mr. Yates's motion), will have
that desired effect. Nothing of the kind has yet been pro-
posed, yet there is nothing that appears so promising for
tYcommence of agitationit.
The conciliation and peace; and when once a decision has been
so made by the council, in its combined legislative, appel-
late,7.e
st
uponand judicialthose
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Gave let
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indecency
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tl
oi
The time that the education discussions now
become a very serious, and almost an intolerable,:teaexuP4oins
members of the council. The frequent displays
o
feeling by which they have been marked morethanpersonal
discussions, are to be regretted by all who takeapr
of the matter; they compromise the dignity of
in its deliberative more than in its executive cl
aonpyerovtiheewr
they engender feelings which I know have morecouncil
artyatenr, and
once
been most injurious to social intercourse. These than
two
very obvious reasons, which, I should think, would convince
almost every member of that body of the wisdom of peon:
or endeavouring to put, this question at rest.
I have taken the liberty of offering these sugV-stims
through your columns, from a desire that, as far as possible,
strife and contention should cease. To banish those evils
entirely is impossible, but I do not see the impossibility of
preventing party warfare from leading to personal rancour
and perpetual excitement. Let bothsides unite in some
such manner as is here pointed out, and both will then havean honourable, comprehensive and united status, as far as
corporation education is concerned, from which to make
their annual appeal in November.

I have the honour to be, sir,
Your humble servant PE,
NSATORI

Great George-street, Thursday,

milli° of the ed e
[We have readily given insertion to the above letter of our
valued correspondent ; and yet we must take the liberty of
the hope that suictheraAciirri course
expressing our dissent to the ground upon which his entire
argument is based. " Pensatore" urges inquiry into the
charges brought by Mr. R. V. Yates—that embodiment
each
of mawkish tom-foolery—in
much
of conflicting will tend to put an end to the vecata
cation system in the Corporation Schools. It will do iu-
such thing. It will not either shorten the tiresome d'lcs
set at rest the edu-
cation Is-
cussions which take place upon this fertile theme
agnane:earti
monthly council meeting; but, on the contrary, is
more likely to open a field for more tiresome
on of Mr. William
stale charges, more bitter recrimination
ties, and greater private ill-feeling.
cation question, so long as Popery retains her serpent
gfoPramr -,
a n dNgoedn it/ ce:se n°7;:zhe ipneq:ualri Ya
r—ocr
Earle and Mr. R. V. Yates are perm-
infirmities, or sillinesses, in the Co permitted to ai
sPlay their
these Arcadian twain,—the one council chamber. D. •
shades of Abereromby..sva eto rusticate Dismiss
re,the amongst the
racter of Daphne to the fa' other to enact
the retirement of the localD fair
Phillides who _ the
seek on holidays
peace and order in our ,—and there
r legislature.—ED. may possibly be
..,..-- ature.—ED. L. S.l

EXCRUCIATING,—.We found the following item about a
Quaker. in some paper yesterday : What do you ask for
of our " this article ?" said Obadiah to a modest young Miss in one
shops. " Fifteen shillings, sir; it is a superb article."
"You are a little dear, are you not ?" said Obadiah. "Why,
all the young men tell me so," she replied, dropping her
eyes and blushing. Obadiah came straight away.— Glasgow