The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-06-04 00:00:00

TILE STATESMAN.

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arrives. After stating this, little else remains for Brougham) should name that day for the debate up- I
me to say, tier should I have risen upon the present oti the Orders.in Council.
occasion, had it not been for the allusion made by i Mr. ROSE observed, that it was impossible that
the Noble Marquis ti, dreadful perssnal animosities, the House could at so early a period be prepared for
which had interposed ob,tlcles in the way of a wish- the discussion : the evidence given fit the Bar, •genes
ed fur arising >merit... My .1.0 rd., for my Noble rally only in the presence of six or seven Members,
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Friend and Myself, I cats most *distinctly say, that' could not be printed in time.
we Wei t• artuated'hy no feeling of animosity, by no; Mr..BROUGHAM reminded Mr. Rose, that be-
personal feeling ellaterer ; that we were actuated by i tween five and six hundred pages had already been
nothing but a feeling for, the public interests, a de- printed and distributed.
site for the public welfare, and en anxiety to set i Mr., ROSE warmly protested against so hastj a
aside every other consitkoation, save those which . proceeding. . -
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arose out of pulilie prifselptes aid public interests, I TRIAD CUSTOMS DUTIES.
and Ido most distinctly disclaim fitly of those feel- I The House resolved itself into a Committee of
ins of pereetal animosity to which the Noble Mar- I Ways and Means, when
quis has alluded." I Mr. W.PO LE proposed a Resolution for continuing
'The Earl of UV El1P0014.—" My Lords, I 1 the Irish
,Customs Duties, which expire on the sth
feel it necessary to say a few words in consequence : July next, for another year.
Of what has fallen from the Noble Barou (Gres-.I Sir JOHN NEWPORT objected to the vote, at
vials), and lest my slime, should be construed into I a time when the country was destitute of an Esecu-
, an admission of being actuated by those feelings of ; five Government.
i personal animosity, which have been alluded to by I Mr. W. POLE said, that all parties agreed in the
the Noble Marquis. My • Lords, for myself and 1 propriety of the Resolution. itself, and he should
those who have acted with me, I do most distinctly i have thought himself guilty of .a gross breach of
disclaim any feelings of personal animosity. In my ° duty, if he bad not submitted to the Committee a
conduct in this transaction, I 'have been only actu- I Resolution for continuing to the public creditors of
ated by considerations of public principles and pub- ; Ireland one very important security for the re-pay-
lic interests, and by. no feeling whatever of personal ment of the debt.
animosity. Having said this, it only remains for me : Colonel BASTARD acknowledged that the Right'
Ito deprecate the calling for the disclosure:alluded to Honourable Gentleman had done his duty,. but the
•by the Noble Marquis, and which I an satisfied . House had likewise a duty to discharge. lie, for
would at the present moment be highly detrimental one, should uniformly object to any financial ma-
-Ito the public interests, nor *mild such a disclosure scar', until an Administration were formed. When
'at the present moment be either proper or decent." ' a new Government was established, he trusted that
The Earl of MOIRA.-44 Whilst I fully agritiesl some enquiry would be instituted, to ascertain whe-
I my Lords, in the opiniow which has been expressed, : thee the immense taxation now collected were neces-
I that it would be highly mischievous and improper So 'try for the maintenance of the State. • s
make the disclosure alluded to by the Noble Mar-; The Resolution
.was then agreed to.
quis, I cannot but most deeply lament the anfortte• Mr. W. POLE brought in the Irish Loan Bill,
mate turn which this negociation has taken. It• has 'which was read a first time.
been my office, my Lords, in the course of this no- , ADMINISTRATION.
gociation, to be the humble instrument of concilia. 1,. Mr. CANNING said, " Having been the channel'
tion, and it has been rny,earnest enaeavour.to smooth of communicating to the House on Monday the cis-
; those difficulties which unhappily interposed ob. ,cumstance that a Noble Friend of mine, Marquis
° stacles in the way of an arrangement so highly desi- ' Wellesley, had on that day received authority from
ruble in. the present crisis of our file ; but I deeply : his Royal Highness the Prince Regent to proceed to
lament to state, that differences and estrangements I the formation of a new Administration, I•feel it in-
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a rendered those endeavours unavailing. My ° eumbent upon me this day to state to the House, be-
' Lords, I believe, nay, I have no doubt, that persons I isg its possession of the information, that my Noble
who interpose those obstacles, have convinced them- I Friend has this morning rhsigued that authority again
selves that they possess a conciliatory disposition, I into the hands of his Royal . Highness. I shall ac-
° and that they have induced their own minds to be. i cominmY this disclosure with no observation, unless
Here, that what they urge is a fundamental principle ! I flight be permitted earnestly to deprecate discussion
of the Constitution. I cannot, however, but lament' [hear, hear!), which can be productive of no good, ii
that points of form should stand in the way of a con. and may lead to grest mischief, by kindling anirno- .
ciliation, and an arrangement which is so essential to . sities, which are certainly not wanted to add to the ..i
the interests and the welfare of the country ; but I i embarrassments of the country. Being now, how.
am satisfied that it is aIL misapprehension, that no- ; ever, in possession of the information, and having
thing hut misapprehension stands in the way, and I i been on the former day the channel of communica-
trust
that before the House meets again, some ar- I tion of the one fact, I thought I should be guilty of
ratigement will be made satisfactory to the cone-'something like delusion if I .had not communicated i
try.' the other." • . - I
Earl GREY.—" My Lords, I cannot but think Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) said, "After what
that the Noble Earl who has just sat down has, in has fallen from the Right Honourable.Gentlenian,
some degree, overstepped the line which other Noble the House may be assured that nothing •will proceed
Lords have thought it right to adopt, in regulating from me that can in the least degree embarrass any ,
their conduct upon this occasion. lam thoroughly arrangimeut hereafter to be attempted, but as-a MeM-
' aware, my Lords, of the anxiety of that Noble Lord bar of Parliament,• I feel it my duty to ask one'
in the service of the Prince who now possesses the question, and it is this; IS address- myself to the,
. Sovereignty, and of his zeal for the public interests, Right Honourable and 'Aliened Gentleman opposite
and it is to these motives alone that I attribute his (Mr. POnsontiy)." -- • 1
having, in my opinion, overstepped the line observed Mr. CALCRAFT rose to order. He admitted that
by others upon this occasion. My Lords, the Noble a Nei:Went had. been the other day set of putting
Earl (Moira) has spoken of points of form interpos. interrogatories to individual Members in their places,
ing obstacles in the way of the proposed arrange- but he Aid not think that it was sufficient to au-
meat. lam anxious to remove any misapprehension
thorise the practice. It would be recollected, that
which may arise from this expression ; and I trust on Monday last the question had been read before
your Lordships will give me credit when I slate, that he had objected; he now interposed to prevent the
in the little share which my Noble Friend and my. reading of the question, as well as the answering
self had in this transaction (only since last Monday), of it.
we were not actuated by any consideration of points Mr. MARTIN replied, that had he not been sane-
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: 'of form, but by that of principles, which if. not fun- , tione.l by the proceeding of Monday last, he should
damental to the Constitution, are at least essential I not have ventured to propose the question to. which
,to tke existence of a Government, with a view to the! he .was desiaous of obtaining an answer. If the
interests and the welfare of the country. lam also I Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby), after
`anxious to remove any misapprehension that may lit had been stated, felt that it was a question which
arise from an expression used by the Noble Marquis, ; he could not reply to, without difficulty, he (Mr.
and which I confess I do not exactly understand.— I Martin) would not press it upon him.
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The Noble Marquis has spoken of dreadful personal I Mr.' CAL'CRAFT said, that the point 'was note
animosities interposing.obstades in the way of the 1 whether the question could be answered, but whether
proposed arrangement. I trust that your Lordships ,it ought to be put in the manner proposed. The
! will give me credit when I state, and that the Noble ' practice of a former day had lent some support to
Marquis will do me the justice -to acknowledge, that this mode of proceeding, but he thoUght that it
in the little share I had in this transaction, I was not' ought not in future to be countenanced.
actuated by any feeling of personal animosity, but Mr. MARTIN.—" Then I- will not put it in
actuated one by public considerations, arising out
al the form so much objected to. 1 will only say this,
• . of my conviction of.public principles, and my view se! to what cause is it to be attributed that' the nego-
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public interests.— [The Marquis IVellesleptoddad as-ciation--" • i
• scot, and caked Hear, hear!]—My Lords, such con- The Hon. Member was interrupted by loud cries
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. selerations alone actuated my conduct in this transac. I of Order !
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bon ; and when the proper time arrives for that con. - Mr. BARHAM declared his determination, if the
. I elect to be known, such will be proved to be the fad: question were persisted in to takethe sense of the
' I for the present period, I am fully satisfied, is a mkt' Henn' upon It: 'Whether it sge're read from a writ-
. i unfit moment for making the disclosure." ' ten paper, or put by word of mouth, could make no
The question for adjourning till Friday was then difference; he warmly insisted; thatauch interroga- ;
put and carried. . tories were wholly out of order.. r
• • * Mr. MARTEN.--" I certainly shall not persevere.
My object was to put the country in possession of the
cause, as far sal was able to ascertain it, that the
negociation set on foot, under the auspices of 'Lord
Wellealey and Lord Moira, had failed. Finding-that
it is not the sense of the House that I should proceed,
I shaliAcquiesce. In consequence also of what. has
fallen-from thti Right Honourable Gentleman on the
door (Mr. Canning), recommending that the subject
should net now be agitated, I shall abandon the no-
tice I have given—[Bear, kear I]
The ether Orders of the Dry were postponed Un-
til Monday Maoist. •
, After a few words from Mr. WILBERFORCE
'and M. RYDER, it-was ordered that the House re-
salve itself into a Committee on the Riots Bill on
Friday next.
The House then went into a Committee on the
:Orders in Council, and Mr. Martins of London, was
called to and examined.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Lord JOCELYN informed the noose, that pursuant to Ad-
dreeet to the Regent, his Royal Highness bad o-dered that tlt
representations made to the Privy Council. relative to the '''rts-
priety of laying an increased duty upon foreign ham. and the
account of tile disbursements from the Drotts of the' Adatiraky
should be laid before the House.
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Mr. %V 0 Y moved for lease to bring in a Bill to enable
Justices oi'lhe Peace to aford parOchial relief to prismsemeon.
fined under means prGeess far dent, in such jailsas: are not county
jails.—After a single remark from Mr. Rose and Mr:1). Giddy,
leave was given.

A Gentleman from Roscommon states, that en
Sunday week, during Divine service, a party of Ma-
i gistrates, attended Vastiong detachment of the mi-
litary, surrounded a chapel in that neighbourhood,
and as the congregation. were.coming out after Mass,
above 60 persons were taken into custody, and con-
veyed to the county gaol, on private information
i against them. ' . • • ,
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