The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-02-18 00:00:00

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VOfhtio no !Jab** epoO, would (g it • the.
iisoMael Zemererros shemid•de its duty, which it had
hot hitherto done) end in the complete rein' Of our
fibifirtieii—t Lio! etteiring.l '
Mr. ACTIBUItST testiEed 'to the genenitleisii-
itotience of (Mold jail, and to the humeniti'a
jape. The only csasphlint berltiti Mord agitittit tie
jali was, that the chimney in tine of the spartinenif
smoked.
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Mr. If. StM N ER. itivatillliblits wises Ogden *as
briught to. Norseinonger-lahe was eftlictedlrith
the Wise* of which he had complained, and that id'
ePeratien &id been there skilfully performed on the,
by Mi. tliton-; that he subsequently appeared octet!
flowing trith gratitude for the kindness 1w had
perienesoi, and had blessed God for havitte been sent
to thrill% to which he attributed the safety of' his
life.
Si* F. nuRDETT said, 'thai it Was very tees that
en the occasion alluded to, le had found the rest of ,
the' CoMmittee, on all points, unanimous against
end that he had at last consented to their Re-
port; but it was solely on the ground, that enquiry
Might lead to disclosures injurious to persons then in
• fnteign Country. at liamburgh.
Mr. 11; SUM NER,. with great warmth, appealed
to the Moe, whether they did not recollect the
Hon. Baronet's concurrence with the Report.
Sir F. BURDETT (milling, and with great
courtesy)..—l have just told the' lion.. Member, that 1
did cotton' in that Report, sod I have also just told
Jim my, tole,; reason for so doing.--tfleer., hear!
from all"
Mrs BENNETT. observed, tbit the complaint
made by °Oen .was, that the disease with which he
had lieen affirciett, sled et which he was so ably cored
- . daring his imprisonment, was produced by the chains
and liens helmet] upon him. The enquiry before
the Magistrates' on this subject was confined.to the
use of Mel:Tenses. There. was nothing in the re-
presentation of the Honourable Gentleman that
contradicted the statement contained in the Petition.
Ile believed the case of Ripley was fairly stated by
himself, nor did the' letter read by the Honourable
Gentleman disprove any of the circumstances which
Viere described as having taken place in the Jail at
Oshird. The account of the treatment esperienced
try Mr. Knight, of Reading, threw no imputations
on the Jailer; it was of being carried to Salisbury.
Jsil, a jail of which no Hon. Member had spoken
or would speak in commendation, and of being again
. removed to Worcester,. that he complained. The only
Mason that he could conceive for thus parading him
Omit the country was, to create alarm, and with.
drawing him from the observations of the Berkshire
Megistratei, as not sufficiently subservient to the
• Minister of the deY.
Mr.l'llll.llPS rose amidst loud cries of Question,
for the purpose-of confirming his Hon: Friend's re-
' presentation of Ogden's case. The fact .1401 was,
that the distemper had been so much increased by
the treatment he received, as to render a severe ope-
ration necessary, though it was undoubtedly fortunate
that it had been successfully performed.'
• The ATTORNF:I-GENERAL did not presume
to state what may be the particular provisions of any
intended Bill of Indemnity, but this he would assert,
that if unjustifiable cruelty was inflicted no each .
conduct could be protected by any future law. The
House would, however, bear its mind, that all those
measures which, ini a perturbed state of the country,
those whose duty it was to arrest prisoners, might
here thought necessary, for the security of the pri-
soners,' were acts of necessity. With respectlo their
being sent to distant piisons,.the motive Wilt, and fie
look ,upon himself confidently :to assert it, witts a'
view . to
.the comparativecomfort of the•detained.—.
The Noble Lord -(Folkestone), bad asserted, 'that
after detention,-the NOble*Secretary of State for the
Home Department had o'n right to release them with.
out trial. That he d'euied, ailhe Secretary of State,
in contradistinction to-ordinary. Magistrates, had the
poWert before indictment,, to discharge-his 'own war-
red!. No person had been bow it,oneti on the oath of
the • Person. w hose. itifoimation to Government had
been so much canvassed' (Oliver). Ilis.commsr:iites.
(ions had, Imweverv-given the clue to that which led
to the information of others. It was a link hi the
chain of the confederacy, by which its connection
was (theorem! and defeated. For that defeat, the
countty was indebted to the Noble Lord at the head
of thi,llorne Department.
The Bon. Mr. LAMB slid, that on esamioation
he foind the allegations of improper and tyrannical
treatment bore a very small proportion to those of
unjust detention. Ile could not, however, agree to'
any motion on such a subject, till the matter could
be considered by an open Committee.
Lord 'FOLKESTONE replied.—Several Hon.
and Right lion. Members had -adduced the jails of
their own counties es being well massaged, but noose
of them had shown in what state the prisons were in
which the prisoners bad been principally confined.
The House then divided, and the numbers were,
mrs
Noes
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A motion was made w fte“ to bring in a Bill
to prevent Imprisonminf open Mesas Process, but
• it was negatived withotiti division. •
Adjourned at One o'clock.
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THE MINORITY
Om Loan toLIOLSTO a N'S isarasist FOR ENQUIRING INTO THE
TRE•TaRNT OF TM PRISONERS courier:la UNDER Tag
noneascoaros oustarmaosi SILL.
Althorp, VI,. - Ferguson, Sir It. C. North, 1).
Miterley. Arthur Frankland, Robe. Ord, Wm. •
Aubrey, Sir J. tiorrion, Robert Ossalgoe, Lord
Harnett, James - - (ijai.e. Sir W. l'hilips, Ge'.
Besiort, Hon. H. G. Hamilton, Lord A. Punsoliby,Han. F.C.
Birch, Jos. Heron, Sir itt. Romideo. J. t;.
brand. Hun. T. Honied, Hun. W. itsittrv, Sir ht. W.
Brougham. H. ' Hurts, Iti. Itionilly, Sir S.
BYne. Geo. Loimiche, Robt.jun.Sciidninnre, ft. P.
Broom, 1). Lotourbe, J. Sharp, ft. • '
Burrows, Sir W. Lemon, Sir W. Smith, Win. .
Carron, John - Ereleion lion. W. Swills, John
Calvert, Charles Macdonald, J. Symonds, T. P.
Campbell, Hon. J. Mackimoth, Sir J. Tleaney,lttl Hon. G.
Carter' John Martin, J. Waldegrave, Hun.
Coke, T. W. Mildmay, Sir 11. J. W.
Cochrane. Lord Morpeth,Via. Webh, E.
Doneannow, Viet. Milton, Vise. Wilkins, Walter
ltaaglas, Hon. F. S. Manch, Sir C. Wood, Ald.
Faralterley, J. N. Neville; Hoa. R.
TztAzas—Sir 1. Borden and Lord Folkestone.

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Mr. BROUGHAM will shor4V townoor
purpose of canvassing tbe Preebulden of
of • Westmorlsod.

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