The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-04-18 00:00:00

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3i• C. MORDAUNT misfired ; and said, when
a illation was madefur ri Committee, it should hare
his support.
The C II A NC EL LO R of the EXCHEQUER
'said, he did not rise to eater into.any ganPraldisCus-
eion on the Orders in Comic-II ; but. after what had
passed, he felt himself called upon to make a few
obsecvations. The lion. Gentleman had stated, that
the Petitions came from persons who had an oppor-
rttnity of forting their opinions by esveriment, upon
Ithe evils resulting from the Orders iu Council ; now
(hit he apprehended they could not, for the point
upon which he and the lion. Gentleman were at issue
at the present moment was, whether those evils
proceeded from the Orders in Council, or from other
causes? It was true three persons were. competent to
state the pressu:e which was felt in trade, but he I
knew not hoar they could decide• whether that pres-
sure would have been greater or less if the Orders in !
Council had never existed.—Ulcar, hear.9—Whe-
Aber in fact the Berlin and Milan Decrees would have
produced the mischief without them. lie would say
that not only our difficulties had not increased since
the adoption of those Orders, but that the whole
trade of the coustry was in a better state. lie was !
surprised to' find the Hon. Gent.'s knowledge of
trade so far overb)rne by his zeal against the mea. '
cures of Government, as to say, the Orders in
Council were to prevent neutrals from trading with
the enemy. lie would maintain that the end was to
open ail trade even to Frauae itself, if France would
trade with -Great Entail'. France had prohibited
trade with Great and Great -Britain prohi-

preml
from a war with America? as ay
which, iu a matter of such importance as the preat
am
the House was called on to follow. He (Mr. B.)
remedy would tell the Right lion. Gentleman a
for
the evils which now existed :—repeal the Orders iu
Council, as far as regarded America; and if that
did not satisfy her, it would at least satisfy the pao.
ple of this country, that every thing had been done
consistently with the safety of the realms. Theo the
House would be met by the affeetions of the coup.
try, not by such symptoms of discotitent as hadlately
burst forth. He conjured the Right lionouraLls
Gentleman not to refuse enquiry to a petit;oi.ing na-
tion, when they came to the House with cries and
groans. He warned him that he would not be suf.
fered—the nation would not allow him to go to war
with America, more than they would seii;:r Al:. Pitt
to do so. The Honourable Gentlerri,,,,
s • not wish to take th:s w a: ling, hut he was bold ni:ough
to predict, that malty mouths would not pass before
he was convinced of the truth of it.
Lord CASTLEREAGH argued in favour of the
Orders in Council, and denied that the repeal of
them would satisfy America.
Mr. STANLEY (we believe) thought that the
present alarming distresses called for much more
from Parliament than the mere ordinary form of
moving that the Petition do lie on the table. He
gave notice that a Learned Friend of his, viould at
a future day, bring before the House a motion, on
the subject of licences. • -
Lord BffiNING WHITBREAD mu.
to lit4ceplai ited. '

. Bri *p,
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bleed all trade to .eriylce," but what should go
through Great Arita n. the result was a pres-
sure upon franc?, such as compelled her to open
her ports to the trade of this country.—[Hear, hear!]
He would state, that that very system of lisences
which was represented to be a departure from the
Orders in Council, was a proof of their efficacy and'
edict. He agreed that when the question of licences
was before the Hour,e, this matter would be better
discussed. As to the importation of wine and bran-
dy, they were obliged to take a considerable quan. 1
tity of sugar and coffee in return, and with regard i
to laces, muslin., and other articles of the kind,
they would be brought in illegally, if there was no
allowance granted. He was surprised that so much
misinformation should exist with respect to the out.
rages perpetrated in different parts of the country,
that they should be ascribed to the Orders in Coun-
eil, to starvation, and such causes. But was it owing
to starvation that the mills were broken down ? ,
Was such conduct to be defended, excused, and pal. '
Hated ?—As to the town from which this Petition
was presented, they bad heard the statement of the
Honourable Baronet, who had told them, that, at
the present moment, the want of employment was
not severely felt. The Honourable Gentleman had
recommended that the subject should be. referred to
a Committee, but the House -should recollect that
this was a cafe involving a great political question,
which it was not the practice of Parliament to dele-
gate to any circumscribed Committee, but to deter-
mine in a Committee of the whole House. A de-
tailed examination of evidence did not appear to him
to suit a subject of that kind. lie knew_ what as 1
effect the shutting of the American market must have;
but would the Hon. Gen. state whether they would
repeal the Orders in Council, and what they ex-
pected from such a step? There was one time when
Gentlemen thought that the Berlin and Milan Decrees
were done away, but that time was passed, no man

Mr. LYTTLETON bore testimony to the severe
distresses-now -experienced by the manufacturers of
Birmingham.
General TARLETON spoke also to the distresses
occasioned in Liverpool, by the operation of the Or.
ders in Council.
Mr. MARRYATT could not see what relief
would result, from the rescinding of the Orders lt►
Council, to the distressed manufacturers. The Pa.
tition was then ordered to he on the table.
SINECLIRES BILL.
The Sinecure Of►ces Bill, after a short conversa.
tion between the Chancellor of the Exchequer and
Mr. Baukes, as to the day on which the Bill was to
be committed, was read a second time, and commit.
ted for this day (Friday) se'nnight.
ANNUITY TO THE PRINCESSES.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
having moved the Order of the Day for the third
reading of the Princesses Annuity Bill, ,
Mr. TIERNEY rose for the purpose of making a
few observations which occurred to him upon this
Bill. Ha had giwen it every possible attention, and
although he felt great reluctance in opposing any
act of liberality in which the branches of the Royal
Flunily were. concerned, yet he found himself im-
periously called upon to resist the further progress
of this wasere as it was at present proposed. Ile
particularly objected to that' part of the Bill which
clamed that• the annuity to the Princesses should
be considered to have commend on the 18th of
Februery last past. The Bat proposed to alter and
ameesed the 39th of the Kingi enabling his Majos-
, tpto • make provision for hisOl*gi►ters on his de•
lthe *to the extent of 30,000 f.. per, annum, which
sum it was now proposed to,increate,to 36,0001,
To this increase of 6,0001. he had not the slightest
objection, but he certainly could not comprehend
the necessity or policy of making that provision at
the present period. He had been told that the ground

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who knew any thing of the subject would sly so
now. It was notified by Franc:" herself that they
should continue to operate; that they should be con-
sidered as the fundamental law of the Continent un-
til we abandoned our system of blockade. There

foi such a measure, was the state of the King, and
the time of life to which the Priucesses had arrived.
This was a reason which did not satisfy him, and
he must believe that there was some other cause
kept back, which was veiled in mystery, and which

was no man in that House who lamented the dis-
tresses that were felt more than he did, but would
any man say he was prepared to give up our maritime
rights by which Great Britain had risen to power and
consequence? When this declaration on the part of
France, with respect to the continuance of his De-
crees, was known in America, he was not without a
hope that America would not charge upon this coun-
try an unnecessary strictness in the measures to
which she had resorted. But whatever the effect in
America might be, this country ought to know that
those Decrees were in full force now, and were to
continue so until Great Britain should yield up these
privileges upon which her prosperity was so strongly
founded. The lion. Gentleman had asked him on

could not meet the eye. If it was necessary to give
the Princesses a sum of money, he thought it but
fair that the House should have an opportunity of
exercising its generosity ; but this was certainly not
a time to vote a permanent annuity of 36,0001. per
annum. The Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchever, had not stated that it was
their intention to keep a separate establishment.
He could not risk such an explanation—and even
if he had declared such a plan to their Royal
Highnesies, it was not probable they *cold
have adopted it, considering the state of their
Royal Mother, with whom they had hitherto
lived, and. whom they would feel very little dis-
position to desert, at a period when her domestic
. already 40001.

the subject of the Commercial. Bills, whether he
knew that the next instalinent would not be paid ? It
had been stated to him that many of those who were
bound to pay the instalment, would be distressed by
-11ficien'

affliction was so great. 'They had already
a-year each, and a provision on the Establishment at
Windsor ; it could, therefore, hardly be imagined
that any necessity now existed for their setting up as
establishment of 12,0001. per annum.-11Parl hear,
.

being obliged to do so ; that many were not 81E_ mt-
ly relieved by commoNrcial bills, but did not believe
they would Not answered by. tl;ea.ene,rality of.tbose
Ii Orders in Com(

hear n—And if flies did;wisat would become of the
saviv's tile Citilliet which by timio removal from
sad -ought to be

...nal got be _ , -*llll4ll4.gteine
whe were hound to pay. if the ci I were Windsor must necessarily ensue, -_
repealed, before the Berlin, and Milan Decrees, the carried, some way or other, to the public iccount.—
consequence would be; that France would have her . If it. was necessary to make this provisioN for the
neutral trade open •with America, while we were de- Princesses, it certainly became necessary to place their
nied the trade of the 'Continent of Europe. Unless Royal Brothers upon an independent footing, who
the House was prepared to say that this would be • were solely dependant on the Prince Begent. The
judicious, the present did not seem to him to be a Bon. Gentleman then alluded to the number of Lords
pried in which it was possible to do away the Orders• of the Bed-Chamber, Grooms'of the Stole, Equerries,
in ./jouncil. &c. employed as attendants on his Majesty, all of
Mr. BROUGIIANI strongly urged the necessity whom were in a great measure useless; whose income
of going into a detailed enquiry into the fact, whe- jhe thought might-be better applied to make proi•
flier the Orders in Council were or were not the cause , sion for the. Princesses than to burthen the people,
of the present calamitous situation of the manufac- at a period so pregnant with Inisfortune, with so
taring districts of this country. What did the Right I enormous a charge as 36,0001. per annum. He then
Hon. Gentleman (Perceval) however, propose in- adverted to the neglect with which her Royal High'
stead of enquiry ! Wit' to give these starving ma- iness the Princess of Wales had been treated ; her
Alec', and the Right lion.

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nufattufirs it'debate! Phis wit snot, however, what
the country asked, nor what it might be satisfied
with._ tAa toairmiugham, it stood in a very peculiar
sit! The workmen there'employed, were not

fate had, bowever, been sea. ~
Gentleman, who had been her friend and eliampion,
had completely abandoned "her. Another pew"
who swiped toile treated with almost equal neglect,
Highness the Princess Charlotte. !Ile

was her Royst, Jighness
had now arrived at an ago when she should be se
and known hy that people she was hereafter to
govern; and if provision was to be made ler any
branch of the Royal Family, she was surely, la
point of oak and importance, most entitled to con-
ilideratioa. [Hear, hear?] The Hon. Gentlem
an
an
concluded by declaring his intention to move, al
amendment to the Bill, that the words " I fith Fe-
brualla last" shoulibe omitted, and the words "at
his Majesty's demise," inscribed.
The CHANCELLOR of the ExcurQuErt,
in a short speech, replied to port of the objections of
.the last speaker, and to part only, because he con-
ceived that no inconsiderable portion of tbe AV-