The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-14 00:00:00

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the EXCEISQUER •std,

the gr.nt to Mr. St Adqrrt woeW he, found io
With respect to his it qat Highness the Duke of
(*Tepees allowance, it was not his 'mealiest to bring
it forward .tbat.der in consequence of the absence of
Isis Noble. Friend (the. Marquess of Loodovederre.)
Mr. Hum understood that one of ;thefts; .Coni-
missioners of Excise in Scotland was recently dearl.—
He wished to know whether the Right Hoc, Oen*.
mates plans of economy would include the filling ulSof
that office. Many intelligent men were of opleimt
that three ComMissiotiers were quite sufficient.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
that there was no intention of dicuittishing thessumber
of Commissioner.
Lord 'MILTON wished to call the attention of the
Right Hon. Gentleman to the Spoiled *tamp Act. He
aadosatoed that it was 'backdated altogether fur the
present Session. Now althengh the Right
Hon. Gentlemen could not carry that part of his Bill
which went to impose new duties, yet it contained re-
roadies for some abuses, and the remedial part ought
certainly not to be abandoned.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
that it wity not the intention of Government to rest
the Bill this Session, but to introduce a Iwo* .general
measure in the nest.

Mr. BAKING reverted to the subject of Mr. Nl‘Ailant.
No person was more sensible than be of the merits of
that Gentleman, and of the service he had deue to the
country. But he considered the making him such a
grant from the Civil Contingencies to be a gross usis
appreheission of the powers of Government.
Mr. Hume said that the sum did not appear to be
paid out.of the Civil Contingencies, but from the Pest
L/Sce Revenue.
The House then went into the Committee.
MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMAT*S.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT moved a Resolution for grant.
ing a sum of 40,000/. for the repairs of public build.
ings.—Agreed to.
Also a Resolution for the sum of 54,000 . to the
Lord Chamberlain of his Majesty's Household for ex.
traordinary expenses, fac.—Agreed to.
A sum of 75,0001. was then moved for carrying
into effect a Treaty between the English and Portu-
guese Governments for abolishing the Slave Trade.
After a few words from Mr. Huts and Mr. An
ouraNux, the Litter of whom stated that this, in all
probability, would be the last vote on the subject,
Mt. WA KRE observed. that there appeared a disin-
&illation on the part of the Portuguese Goverouieut to
carry the Treaty into effect.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT then moved fora sum of
18,7001. for incidental expenses attending the execu-
tion of the Treaty between Spain, Pertegal, and Egg-
land, for putting au end to the Slave Trade.
Mr. BERNAL said the Slave Trade still existed as
much as it did before the Treaty in question. The
erection of Forts, and the nomination of Uommlssionersl
lad produced no good result; and the Sian Ws& rst
Portugal was as unlimited as ever. It foilowbd that'
all our 'unions and all oar pecuniary sacrifices had
been of no avail. He did not object to the vote; he
believed the Noble Lord who bad interfered on the
subject had done all in his power; but he dumb'
assoietiting farther ought to be attempted, is order to
put an end to this diabolical traffic.
Mr. WARRE thought the Commissioners bad not
Wed with sufficient energy. The stretch who had
plotted the murder of the boat's crew of the Thistle
bad bun suffered to escape, although he came within
the jurisdiction of the Commission. He bogged to ask
whether any further instructions on this subject had
'been forwarded to Sir George Collier, who bad himself
complained of the escape of this man.
Sir GEORGE COCKBURN said, there were many
difficulties in the way of preventing this traffic, as
our power of search was often abridged by a slave ves-
sel hoisting a French or an American lag. It was
probable that Ministers would introduce a Bill on the
subject, to enlarge the power of our Naval Officerr.
Mr. IVARRE explained.
Sir ISAAC COFFIN said, that nothing short of a
Declaration of War against every power concerned in
the trade would put an end to it.

Mr. BERNAL said he feared neither France ner
America would concede the right of search, without
which he admitted nothing effectual could be dote.
Sir UEORGE COCKBURN explaiaed.
Mr. SMYTHE bore testimony to the exertions of his
Majesty's Boverument to put an end to the tralic. Dar-
ing the war we exercised the right of search, but that
was of course abandoned on the conclusles if peace.

Mr. WARRE wished to know what answer bad ben
returned by the Court of Rio Juliano to a letter' Um
the Noble Marquess (Goadooderry), relative to the par-
tinder rale of the vessel San Salvador.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT, in the cheeses of his Noble
Friend, was not enabled to give an answer upon the,
subject. He would make inquiry oa the subject.
Mr. F. BUXTON said, be Small thot-intim Hill
about to he introduce.] a eampeasadoo would he pro-
vided for the gallant persons who had alerted them.'
selves to put an end to the trade.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said sods a provisima would be
one of the objects of the Bill.
HIM& said that without the switearrenee of
FrAnce and America no effectual progress (weld be made
towards the abolition of the trade.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT then stored two stuns, one of
9,f11111/. for prosecutions relating to tbeCoin, and another
of 10,000/. for Law Charges.
The first was agreed to, bat esi petting the seated,
Mr. RC= wished to know what those charges were
fur ?
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, they were for promotions
slimiest Mr. Hone, Thistiewood, Mr. Haat, Sir P. !Bar-
den, and others.
Mr. WARRE oldectid to the *gather el Omani est.
played on Excise prosecutions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIIQUER meld the
eases on those oecasioss were very ekes et great legal
nicety, and were eery intricate In detail.
Sir J. NEWPORT Milted to Meow whether the lee
beers of the Constitatimed Ammiadoa amid at all di-
minish the expellees of &Ile aiumnelptiors ? He WI aloof*
sh.ught the legal Me mit the thews were :sec
pares and nepeasible pereese to Insti=l psi&
. The CHANEELLOX of as 113WIMIVIIIRcull as
royal veto bed nothisi he As *kb the Atteallth,
Mr. HUME said, that if the Aliteturp_sttti
Canned meld set hewed she Wig el Yoe erg
might nee is lot paid the bee. The late Sealer ihe

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Mr. ARBLITHNOT said, that Mr. Litehfield, the
Chtetiessan iWlrltelltioll, INIPIIIIIII in the pabileuertier
for 99 yeurs, He had no fortune but his ..11owancellie
had bees at the mar preeloiss to his enteriug upon the
situation.
The Revelation we then agreed to.
A stun of 10,01111/:" was Meted for the Salaries of the
Officers of the ran Massa of Perliatutoot.
90,000/. was thins voted for the maistesance of
Convicts, end 190,900/. was moved for aasweriag Bias
drawn or to be drawn from New South 'Wales.
Par JOHN NEWPORT observed, that much
eaution'oeght to be observed is granting mosey to
provide for Rills not yet drawn. The public had
often suffered from this practice in tontequence of
individual failures.
The CHANCELLOR of. the -EXCHEQUER said
a practice had now been adopted which removed theb
aviger.
Mr. HUME raid, that had his Hon. Friend the
Member for Shrewsbury (Mr. Rennet) been present,
he would divide the Committee on the whole of the
vote, he was so satisfied of the uselessness of New
South Wales, as a place of punishment fur convicts.
He (Mr. H.) wicked to know why a sum of 30001.
was charged for printing. An estimate ought to haw
bees made of all the charges.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, that ell the sums should
be distinctly brought under an estimate in the next
year. The charge fur printing was an old account
which could come under uo other head than that of
Civil Contingencies.
This Resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT then moved a vote for 61,000/.
for deficiencies in tbe Fee Fend of the Department of
the Secretary of State.
Mr. HUME said lie thought this was a very ob-
jectionable mode of bringing forward the account.
A separate rot: should be taken fur the whole esta-
blishment, and credit should then be given fur the
Fees received. The expenses of the Department had
increased threefold since the year 1796. The officers,
he admitted, were valuable, but we might buy gold
too dear.—(A laugh.) Five thousand pounds were
charged here also for retired allowances. It was his
intention to whoosh a motion to the House, for bring-
ing allowances of this description under one general
bead. He observed an extraordinary grant of 1000/.
a-year to Robert Ward, Esq. He should like to
know the net amount of all the allowances of this
Honourable Member. He thought they were too
much ; but at all events they were not brought
under view of the House in a proper shape. He
thought also, that the awoant of salary to the Secre-
tary, and also to Mr. Harrison, were much higher
titan they used be.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT defended the amount of the
salary given to the Secretary of the Treasury. In
1600, it was fixed at 40001. clear of all allowances.
"I he Ike. Gentleman bad not made many remarks
with eespect to himself; be should therefore contest
himself with saying. that the circumstance of his
being employed in his "resent capacity had caused a
re viag to the public of 20001. a-year, the allowance
he *IS entitled to, In coftsequence of his former em-
ployment in the diplomatic line, which ceased when
he accepted his present employment. With respect to
Mr. Mattison, the Solicitor of the Treasury, he as-
sured the House that he was, iu the opinion of all
those who had ao opportunity of estimating his merits,
one of the most valuable officers attached to the polo.
lk service. He bad been chosen by Mr. Pitt. com-
mended by Lord Grenville, rewarded by Mr. Perceval,
and was highly respected by all the Members of his
Majesty's Government at present. He had suffered so
much in health from his arduous attention to business,
that he feared they would not much longer have the
km& of his services. He trusted be might be mis-
taken on this point ; but, if any thing should happen
to deprive them of kis services, it was the intention of
his Majesty's Government very much to lessen the sa-
lary attached to the office. With reference to the
Honourable Gentleman's comparison between the ex-
peaditure of 1796 and at present for the Treasury.
the whole amount for salaries. &e. in that year was
20,0001., it was now double that amount. But the
increase of business, as well as the high price of ne-
ceasefire, were to be borne in mind. In 1796 the
number of registered papers was 4,500 only ; for the
present year-there were 20,000, independent of
vole-
u►inous correspondence on various subjects. not regis-
term!. This was chielly owing to the practice of
other departments of the State consulting the
Treasury on almost all the measures adopted by them.
1-The supervision exercised by that House over every
branch of the public service was such as rendered
every other depar:ment anxious to have the sanction
of the first department in the Government to all they
did. He assured the Honourable Member, that (io-i
vernment were at that moment employed in making a
revision of the whok of the public departments, with
a view to economy.
Sir I. COFFIN observed. that theme was no one
more completely worn out in the public service. sad
none more deserving of public estimation, thaa Mr.
Harrison.

After a few words from Mr. Eloct.suitx, Sir E.
KNATCUBULL, the CIIANCILLLoR of the EZCIIRQUI&A,
and Lord MILTON, the vote was agreed to.
On a rote of 15.000/. fur Foreign and other Se-
cret services being proposed,
Mr. HUME observed, that be was extremely
jealous about Secret Service Money, lie knew of
several disreputable characters who received money
from.ftoverement, and as he knew sot from what
find they could receive it but this, if one shilling of
this grant were to go to the Home Secretary, he should
object to it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that sot a farthing of the Secret Service Money
ever was directly or indirectly disposed of in the
maser hinted by the Honourable tieniiimaa (Mr.
Ht me.)
Tbe Vast was thea agreed to.
Mr. 611BUTHNOT proposed a vote of MOW to
defray the extraordinary expenses of the bliss.
Sir J. NEWPORT took that opportaalty tr me it
It was the tantatioa of Unmeant to rams the
oseasge of guineas.
Mr. W. POLS stated, that meonling to the
awl Proclamation the Mist was **Jr dialhisd, at
pandeeit nil oda oovenigas sad. half terromigne bet
M Ind an hesitation is sayiog that he believed it was
so iambi ft resew the comae of vim..