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London, England, 1821-01-16 00:00:00

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liyai iffss n tzhibit ashility-ande en u-I
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And, therefore, he would wish some sentiments intro-
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neettegnaßtlraftfting to the feefiligs of the • Sove:
reign to whom the% were offetedoind creifitableto the
Principles of the people from whom they proceeded.i
tiehtlemeti Must be aware that meetings are now as-
statblelkAtit witislhe sale porptiset a nifiring to the 1
Throbs Anon asetwancer of their loyalty : but dear!
the object of the prt scut Addresses was more to up-
bold the King's Ministers than to express attachment'
' and fidelity to himself; and the Sovereign, be was
persuaded, must have seen that the Addresses that
have gone , from Scotland, are more expressive of
1 loyalty to his Administration, than of loyalty towards
himself.—(Neer, hear.)—in the amendment he was
' about to offer, there would be no reference to the pre-
sent Ministers of the Crowe; because be would own-
sider such an allusion not only as a breach of good
taste, but as inexpedient in itself, and highly disre-
spectful t 6 the Throne. But in au address coming i
from a county unique in Scotland, iuseading a member 1
to Parliament who has de%erved so much from his :
Coantryifrotu the independence of his conduct, and ,
who, in this and other respects, has doue more and
deserved more than all the ether Members put toae-
ther.—(flear, hear.)—Some iefecenci 'should be made'.
to the circumstances and condition of the people. i
12..-.. re exertion should he snide by the political pope- ,
Wiwi to exalt the political character, for it is most I
lamentable to contemplate the present condition of;
Scottish representation iu the House of Commons;'
and equally deplorable to review the Representative
Pecr.ige of Scotland, among whom, be was not eer- :
tain, that there was one inure pre-einineut than the 1
Noble Lord, or one more deserving of the approbation ,
of his country.—(Applause and disapprobation.)--
He by no means, however, wished to extend to the '
others any accusation, as there were many among that
bode well entitled to the respect and esteem of their!
cour.trymen. Nor did he wish to extend his obser- '
vation to the Noble Lord to whom he bail alhitled,!
because delicacy in his presence would prevent him
:sibling more than his hope, that the Lord Belhaven '
of the present times would prove as gi‘-it an ornament
to his conntry as the Lord Belhaven of the l'nion.— '
((:heers•)—As be wished to lie brief, he would pro.'
teed to read the amendment; and he hoped if it mini
nut meet with the unanimous approbation of the
Meeting, it would yet experience the support and
approbation of some 'kentlemen around him. Mr. Frye
then moved the amendment stated in our paper of
yesterday. After reading the amendment, the Finn.
ticittlenian s:,itell that it hail suggested many topics'
to his mind which he would not enter upon at present,
but leave to the consideration of others.

Mr. MtiSSMAN, of Aucistrrfordle, mended the
amendment.

Mr. low KIIAPT, of l'aushirmethan, hez7ed have to
a-k, whether all the rest of the osigioal address after
the first clause was to be emitted, and whether the
amendment nas to be inserted after the lirst clause,
nithout preses %log any other part of the original ad-
ds...—!

Lord Brom Ar e N informed the Honourable Centle-
man, °sat the aneenoltneot moved by Al r. {for Vert
esclooled every other part of the tori2in.ol address. ex-
cepting. only the first paragraph ; Ihat it followed the
first paragraph, and along with it made the amended
address.

Mr. Ctaatts.r.s STanust;:of Kenuauir, thought that
Mr. Hope Pere hail totally misunderstood the oriiiinal
address. lie hail assumed that the original address
alleged the Country to be in a discoutet.tell state when
no such assertion WAS to be found in it. Ihe amend-
ment proceeded upon that assumption, but the address
itself was totally free from it. It merely inentioued
attempts to mislead and attempts of the Press to
..s-mor.lise, but did met accuse the Country of 'icing
disaffected. The ameniment goes. notch farther than
the address, and asserts that these attempts leave
infused into the mind:: of the people a spirit of dis-
content.—(llear, bear, and noise.)
Mr. IV. Itismas stated, that if any thing had been
wanting to provi- that the address contained what his
honourable friend hail imputed to it, the last speech
had settled that point, awl hal made it perfectly
plain that the address impeached the loyalty of the
people and the utility of the press. Ile Was sere that
they all felt loyalty and attachment to the King and
Constitution es.rry rut of their lives, and he hail
no objection tie express that loyalty and attaelonsent
every day. But in a free country, suds as this, we
ought to do something wore than merely to express
loyalty and attailimetat : mod when mention is made
I of the spirit of discontent and attempts to alai:lead, we
ought to examine ital.., the nature of that spirit and of
the measures which have produced it. As this was
not done in the address, be was sure that there had
been 4' a blast front ti Treasury."—(Confusion and
cheers.)—lt was prepared merely to meet a certain
purpose. No person can deny (of all the honourable
men to whom he was opposed) that it has been gut
up merely to support " a tottering Administration."
---(Hear, hear, and much clamour.)--11 this be not
the case, the present meeting ha.s no weaning at all,
and is unnecessary altogether, as no person will feel
inclined to believe that the constitution is in such
imminent danger from mere " attempts," as to render
it necessary to address the Sovereign so repeatedly
and so urgently. The supporters of the address
must show that there is some special rearin at pre-
sent for expressing our attachment. This reason
was said to be et:..ospes to Wise into the minds
of the people sedition, disloyalty, and immorality.
How are we to address his Majesty for mere snooty/ /
If Ibis be a good reason, there never can be either
end of or interruption to addressing. But it is plain,
that these attempts are presumed to have been sue-
cessful, and that they have been listened to at this
time by the people. This is the basis upon which
the address is founded, if it be founded on say
thing. And what is this bat :wising the people in
an ambiguous, round about, and timid manner, of
disloyalty, and of being disaffected. This is exactly
the statement-of his honorable friend, and he must
agree with him in Meiling that this mesa, is
entree. The Provost of Ulasgow knows that IM
large town and the country avowed 11141 at .presellt
quiet, although some thee ago Oman was 'fiat
-in it.- The events of Uonnyntair, however, had al•

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is an !Neon. And
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and modeLation, if be .imml.noLkaowa 4hat the gnat
gay of the people were sound. The disaffection
of dub prisebtftinse was •oed Milferent kind, and
arose userelr• irons Abe ate- of -the peens* adniftuls•
tration—(bear, beer)—and thtt disaffection ropy be
easily 'misfired by a change of measures or of men.
--(Meat noise and complete uproar.)
Lord Bettusvax begged that the meeting wetme
listen to the Madman whom they themselves
chosen, and that if thet did not, nothing would in-
duce hiss an keep bit present situation. He begged
therefore, that the nseeting would be islet, in order
that all might beer what that gentleman was saying.
Mr. INGLIS proceeded to observe, that the original
address held out that the people were well pleased
with the resent Administration, which he did not
see how any person could niaintain for a moment.
He gave th• Ministry full credit for restoring peace
to Europe, but could not say that the Ministry fought
the battle of Waterloo in Downing-street. He would
rather Nay, that it was won by the extraordinary
and unexampled bravery of our troops. When, how-
Over, he considered • the acts of the Administration
since that time. he could do nothing but heap 'Hog
coals of fire upon their heads. How did they behave
when employed in framing the treaties of peace?
After ...mom interruption Mr. INGLIS resumed, and
stated that he must abstain from saying more, and
leave unfinished what lie intended to state. He ap-
prove,' of the amendment, and would support it.
e thought that it would be indecent and indecorous
to send up an address to the Father of his people,
without something like the information of the real
wants of the country, as contained in the amendment.
Otherwise the address would not contain the truth ;
and he was sure that leis Majesty would dislike any
address which contained ass inaccurate or deficient
account of the country, or which was intended
merely to flatter his ministers. Ile hail snore than
the mere common reverence of a subject for his Ma-
jesty. He believed him to he a most patriotic King,
and that he would take delight in having the true
state of the country presented to him.
Mr. Iltrasov, sets. Advocate, of Killittelo, said, that
toitnober of observations had been made upon the
war, but he mast recall to gentlemen's recollection,
that too expression or allusion to subjects of this de-
scription is contained either in tl.e requisition or ad-
dress. The amendment embraces subjects with which
this meeting had nothing to do. County meetings
are not called to talk of economy, or to restrain the
Minister ice the exprinliture of the pulolic money.—
That is the duty of Pa: liament. Ile could not o:.sit
that opportunity of expressing his astmoishtuent at
the insinuations, and, he might add, the most sedi-
tious language, that load beets applied to the repres
sentation of this country in Parliament. Are they
to he told that Scotland only sends one independent
Meadser to Parliament, when every gentleman must
be awaie of the impropriety of such a charge ?—He
highly respected the character and public spirit of
their excellent representative, but there were some
parts of his political conduct he felt himself obliged
to disapprove. Hut in adding his regard for the cha-
racter of that Noble Lord, be never would allow the
ilSsetcation of the MIL Gentleman, that Scotland only
sent one independent Member to Parliament, to pass
without immelli.bie contradiction. He could not btu
Maine also the terms in which he load spoken of the
HIIIISI! of Lords, in language calculated to excite
aeneral discontent. All must know that many Noble
Lord. from Scotland flu must faithfully aul conscien-
tiously discharge their public duties. Ile begged Geo-
denten to remember the object of their meeting, to ad-
here to the reason fur whirls an address was proposed,
and runelnoled by repeating, and shortly co aaaaaa tenting
on, some pas-agr% of the address, u hick Mr. 'ere
wished totally to mimic,.

Air. IL V EKE %polye atfain in explanation.
Mr. Alilmsvan, of Staffa, said, that he hail not in-
tended to speak, hot that he felt it imposssible to al-
low some übservati which fowl fallen Prow a Learned
Gentleman 'won the battle of lionnyuluir, to pass nu-
motive& That Learned Gentle:nail hail considered the
designs of those days as the result of delu,ion or !weary,
hut he well knew from his own particular observati ,
that they were the coweiplences of a deep laid a• tful
plot, -a overturn the constitution. A faction had been
formed t r separate the two controlling patties of Whig
and Tory, and to ruin ever►• thing ; to eatiuguish the
confidence of the people in the higher classes—to rouse
them to resistance, and to involve the country in the
horrors and devastation of civil hostility. It was only,
however, to the leaders of this couspiracy, and to those
infatuated men who yielded to these infamous proposi-
tions, and not to the general It oly of the community,
to whom he applied the previous remarks. The ex-
emplary forbearance they had displayed in the season
of suffering, well entitled them to the approbation of
all classes. To them he could apply nothing but ex-
pressions of well merited praise. No man, however,
hail a better opportunity than himself of knowing and
of estimating the extent of danger to have been appre-
hended from the retell attempts to overthrow the.con-
stitntion ; and being so eircumstanced, lie felt himself
constraiued to deny the accuracy of the character
the Learned Gentleman had given to theta. Should
the Constitution be again assailed, he was well aware
that only one feeling would pervade all present.—
" And." said the Learned Gentleman, " the Aristo-
cracy would be the first to storm the breach in defence
of that constitution, and to avert the storms with
which it ever may be threatened."—(lmmense hp-
planse.)_
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Mr. IxeLts, in explanation, amid loud cries of
" Spoke," "Question," " Chair, chair!" admitted
treason existed, but that from the moderation and hu-
manity of the Crown prosecutors,. he could nut but
think those efforts the remit of delusion or binary.
KlaltMAN Fon tv, Esq. said, that it was quite con-
trary to his wish to have spoken at the present meet-
ing, but the extraordinary observations made by the
Hon. Mover of the amendment could not be listened to
by him without feeling indignant. It was well
known that the Scotch Members of both nooses were
remarkable for their intelligence, public epirit, and
disisterassed patriotism, The amendment reeotauiend-
mitlawar♦y, hat he did not think that the conduct of
the remit atimiaistration warranted any waat of co-
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on this subject. He conteeded that they were
economical Administration, and bad always
the greatest desire to retrench, and for dim&
aimless expenditure. He coacluded by stating Lisa?.
probation of the address.
Mr. IitAXSTOVN ruse, and in a speech, of which we
einneetprENlMlllrtellfernelre that- a-I*y lhirema
and imperfect idea, said, that he wpa Oretesifrosa
conlimmlorward ea tlaie occasion, as Liu. vary_ogiat
connexion With the county had not yet, .all•gred him
to become acqtsainted with the kind of discussion, or
with the business of sash .meetinge. After hearing,
however, the statements which bad to* lees mage,
be could not run the risk of having his Aimee ads.
conatreed, or his opinions misunderstood. It was set
with the 'address, considered in itself, that he din.
agreed. There was no expression from the blianiag
to the end of it, to which he objected when separate],
viewed, or with which he could not declare that be
aereed from the bottom of his heart. It was not with
what was expressed in that address that he was died .
tisfted, but with what was implied, not with what was
said, but with what was signified.- There was smog
in that address than met the ear.• In the sentiments
of loyalty to the person of his Majesty, and of attach.
meat to his government, he and all who heard him,
he trusted, were tumultuous. It was the wish widths
duty of every good subject to strengthen the bases of
his Majesty in the exercise of his just and legal pre.
togatives. Every good subject west regard dose ie
a vital part of the constitution, as the surest defiles
of our rights, ant the safeguard of our liberties. Bat
in spite of all this, it was impossible fur him tomcat
in the address which had been proposed. Fur though
unexceptionable in regard ti the sentiments which it
contains, its tendency is liable to he mistaken on ac-
count of what it wants. He would refer it to any pee-
son who now heard him ; and he was sure that there •
was no geutkman in the room who would disallow
that there was implied an intention beyond what the
terms of the address, taken by themselves, expremed.
He would say more. It was well known that there
were thsesands of persons--persons upright, honor-
able, and independent, who placed the newt implicit
confidence in the present Administration, who believed
that the measures of Mr. Pitt and his disciples were
dictated by the most consummate wisdom, and Ida
thought that because the government was still pre-
served, that this was alone effected by the prudence
and good management of Ministers.—(llear, hear.)—
It was likewise well known that there were other per-
suns equally loyal, equally upright, and equally he-
tunable, who held opinions diametrically opposite;
who, though they saw the King still upon the throne,
and the country saved from all the perils of a long
war, yet think that those advantages might have been
attained by other measures—measures which would
nut have impoverished the agriculturist, raised the
trader, and brought the country to the very verge of
bankruptcy—(Hear, hear !)---.llis friend, Mr. Malay,
thought, that economy tvas a distinguishing virtue, of
Ministers. On this point there was certainly great
diversity of opinion, and many even thought that they
were remarkable for a very opposite propensity. All
were aware, that at the present jancture there were
thousands and tens of thousands—that there were
myriads and tens of myriads of their fellow-constry-
men, who, in all quarters of the kingdom, were Ise4
in their expressions of a very opposite conviction;
addressing themselves to the Throne in a legal sad
constitutional manner, were praying fur a change of
measures, and in many cases fur a change of men. Ile
wished to avoid political discussion ; he woald not
interpose Isis judgment in regard to these two opposite
amid contending opinions. The truth on this subject
was not the point which he would now bring to issue.
It was sufficient that the fart of this opposition of par-
ties was notorious. In these eircinnstances, and at
stole a juncture, they were called on to vote a loyal
address. In such a crisis, it was impossible not to see
that the object intended was, by implication, to throw
discredit on these who thought .tiff-rently in politics
from the ers of the address, and to use it as a
counter-weight in favour of Ministers against the over-
powering dee laratillilb of public *pi ninn.2-(llear, bear!)
No one, indeed, could look abroad at what was doing
it; other meetings of this nature, and not be aware of
the scope and intent. sof mooch an address as the pre-
sent. Looking at what was done in other counties of
Seetland, he certainly monist regard time present ad-
dress with disfavour. He put it to gentlemen, whether
the purposes to which he had alluded aas nut that for
which this address was intended ? Whether it meld
not be so eonstrited by all persons out of doors; whe-
ther this intention would not be openly professed by
the supporters of the address themselves *oate, as the
meeting was at a close. If, then, it he not proper that
so many of our fellow-subjects slmouhl be calumniated.
and if an address like the present (vague and indis-
tinct although it be, yet on that very account the bet-
ter qualified to accomplish its true, but acknowledged
ends) becomes the instrument by which this &am,
is to be proclaimed, it was impossible fur him to give
it his support. On the other hand, no similar obje• •
thins could in his opinion be laid agahrn the astemme-
meat, and, if adopted, it would obviate all danger t,f
such inferences being deduced. Equally with the an-
dress, it expressed loyalty to the King, and attachment
t.m the constitution ; and it recommended measures cf
economy and conciliation ;
measures which, if adopter',there was no one, he conceived, het would wham-
ledge then. to be for the advantage and security of tl.e
country. Before concluding, the learned gentleman
made some pointed remarks on the inveterate in
of that party spirit which. would arrogate to i -
self exclusive, or at least pre-emiteit loyalty, aid
would brand their antagonists with the opposite viols
A firm and independent opp. :Mien to the Ministeiss
he they who they might, he considered as the very
life-spring of the constitution; and he deprecated ths
present measures of adusioistration and their adheres*
as tending to create a statrast in the legitimate or
position, and to villify and degrade them in the ebi-
tendon of the people.
Mr. Locanaur, of Causbnenothgva.metid, that he was
most desiruns for unanimity; aid objected to tio
amendment, because it attacked tiovernment by ind-
nestle*, and If *dopiest would entirely fritter away the
address.
Mr. Memoir addressed the meeting in so low a
:one, that he was quite inaudible where trio sat: in
oily understood that be supported the address.

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Mr. Moraverrn, upon intimating• a wish to reply,
was informed by Lord Belhaven that it was contrary
to all rile, the seconder replying,: but that if the
mover were disposed, he had a title to reply.—(Cries
of o Question.")
The roll was called about half-past three o'clock,
p. m. Mr. John Dickson, senior, was appointed teller
for the address, and 11r. John Jardine for the amend-
ment, and Lord Behaven declared the state of the vote
to he, for the amended address, 91, for the original
address, 90, majority in favour of the amendment, 4.
After the shouts of triumph hail ceased and silence
could be obtained, Lord ligui.tvzsi stated, that al-
though he did not wish to vote from the cin utnstance
of his being the Chairman, he begged leave to state,
that, had there been an equality, he would have given
his vote for the amendment.--(Cheer,.)
It was now moved by Mr. Hors VERT, and agreed
to unanimously, that the address adopted by the meet-
ing, should he presented to his Majesty by the Dnke
of Bedford, Earl Fitzwilliam, Lord Erskine, and Lord
A. Hamilton. _

Thanks were now voted to Lord Belhaven fur his
concluct in the Chair, which motion carried by
a;:claulation.

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STATKSUAN.••

LONhON:

TEI.D.IIf EVENING, JA:'.I:ALI Ili, I •21.

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A French Mail arrived this mornin:, bringing
Pettis Papers of Friday aud Saturlty. Ihr Chamber
of Peers met on Friday, and adorer! the Provisional
kr.vjert of haw relative t the 1;-1.,:tlis of the contribu-
t.oos for 1821..

Le yr ri front Vienna, dated Jan. I, state that the King
•f Pirrs: te is expected in that rapital on the or 6th.
Plinte a IBl7Y.nYlrn,'iuce hit arrival from Troppau,
Las received several Couriers bringing dispatches from
Austrian Plenipotentiary at Floret', e. Important
dispatches are alto said to have arrived from Home.
It is considered, says the satur Irtieis, i.:dispests:ble
.r Ow security of all It., ly, to (wimpy, with Amorist)
ti..ops, the principal Neapolitan fortresses for a pe-
riod of five or six years. It is also pretended that
this atessant will be adopted in perfect accordance
with the Emperor of Itu.;st t. and the King of Pausst
BlAnatti, J.N. 3.---Many persons were arrested on
the morning., the 30th Detestabcr, amongst the ingat-
her was the Editor of Ilse Coostitotiospri, a journal
which has since ceased to be published.
Many disturbances are reported to have taken place
during the election of the municipal authorities, in
the province of Cordova.
Several b.tml• of robbers at I resent infest the pro-
vince of Antegnera.
FRENI u Furins.—Five per cents. bof. 1:4! ; Rank
Actions 1152 f. sfic.

Bahama papers to the 2sth of November arrived
&i, morning, but contain no intelligence of interebt,
except of the mectiug of the General Assetnbly at
NA33:111.

Private letters received yesterd.ty from Bombay,
dated 2;th of August, glee every assurance that the
war which hat' been cointuenLed in that quarter would
Lot be of long duration.

(::IRACT Or A LETTER Fu0..1 tur. TIIO3ItS.S., OrT. 24.)
There is no trnth in the last reports that Bow AR
had offered to treat wias Mokil.w) fur peace, without
lie complies with the abbolute 'independence of Vent.-
sada and New Granada.

tarnAcr or A I.r.T IF RoM %441111NGTON, I),r. I.

rerort i• current here that the Spanish Treaty
Las been ratified by the Cortes, and that an expre:s
arrived with it hit night. 1 cannot speak positive to
the fact, and therefore give it as I have been informed.
Many kills and reports of a private nature were
acted upon in Congress yesterday and to-day, but wi-
thin; of importance has as yet been dune.