The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-07-11 00:00:00

. Ca! course of justice, and contended, that it was right
•...t1 expedient to be guided by the analogies of law in
jotliciel ca.vs. He instanced the case of a person
.ti:.rged with high treas.m, who is allowed a copy of
the indictment, with a list of the witn . in order
r . prepare for his defence—an indulgence which ought
not to be withheld from the illustrious defendant now
at tlieir Lordships' Bar. He implored their Lordship
too to. conclude at once, hut to take time to consider
define they adopted any resolution. lie thought that
their Lordships would forward the ends of justice
hest by conceding to the application for a list of the
tt itnesses.
The L;an CHA!'IIILLOR was satisfied that their
Loth/hips would come to the consideration of this Jai-
l:ore:int question divested of every bias that was cal-
, %dateti to injure justice—he wished to Coo that the
slue state I,f feeling prevailed out of the House. It
u.‘s quite shocking to reflect upon the state of feeling
out of doors upon the subject. One of their Lordships
could find no analogy between this and any other case,
except that of a charge for high treason, and even
in this instance the Noble Lord had been found to give
op the analogy. He (the Lord Chancellor) had been
in situation where it became his duty to furnish lists
of witnesses to defendants, and he remembered in four
or five cases of charges for high treason, he had to
furnish a list of 250 persons, who were to be called in
to give evidence. He begged their Lordships to re-
coliect, that as the law sow stood, a party was not at
liberty to call any witness whose name did not appear
in the list, and such was the eats aordinary effect of
this rule, that if a witness were to swear that all their
Lordships were present at a certain meeting, unless
their names were in the list, nut one of their Lordship.
could be called to disprove the allegation. In the
proceeding before their Lordships, however, an oppor-
tunity was furnished of calling such witnesses as it
might be judged net yto adduce. Therefore the
analogy between the cases completely failed. Unless,
then, the House could strip themselves of their judicial
capacity ; unless they said that they should hare no Se-
lect Committee—no Committee of the whole House, it
ass impossible they could Froeeed with the Bill. If
the proceeding was to be public, and Coo forbid that it
should not—he wished to know upon what ground it
Is apprehended that a full and fair investigation was
ot to take place? Ile would ask, witbethe fullest
assurance of being answered in the negative—was
there a matt in that House, who, laying his hand to
hi. heart, would say that a full opportunity was not
to be given to the Illustrious Defendant of availing
I:,..seif of all the means of defence which it was in the
owes of any defendant to make use of—of sifting
o ttnesses, and counteracting their evidence. This was
r ise which ought not to be considered with refer-
:! e to the Illustrious Individual who was must intl.
§Jtelv concerned iu it, bat upon general principles.
It their Lordships were now to concur in doing that
witch WM! Noble Lords asked hint to do, and wake
preced..nt of It, he would ask, could they expect ever
again to proceed as their ancestors had dune?—(Mar,
lie2r !)
The motion was then agreed to.
Lord Ltvita root. then moved, in order, be said, to
en ,ore a fill! attendance of their Lordships on that
d v, that there shall he a call of the House.—Agreed to.
The following Resolution was then agreed to,
‘• Fliat no Lord shall absent himself on that day with-
-4110 leave of the House ;" as also the following, "That
th- Right Hon. the Lord Chancellor do write letters
to each of the Lords of that House, acquainting then
ss::ta the foregoing Resolutions."—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mosoar, it:Lir 10.

1 he Sramma took the Chair at four o'clock.
Mr. Johnson, from the office of the Chief Secretary
for Ireland, appeared at the Bar with certain Papers,
heinjr an recount ~f the amount of the Brand Jury
A..,*ar,ients in Ireland.—Laid on the table.
fit. Bt. iccoiruti presented petitions from Binning-
t•rt and Manchester, praying fur a free trade to India.
117.'ered to lie on the table. _

0 the mAion of Sir H. Paassu., the House re-
sqlved i!se'f i.ito a Committee ou the Irish nth, Leases
Hill ; an i the report was ordered to be received forth-
av;tl., and to he taken into further consideration this
day months.
Sir W. CURTIt moved the Order of the Day for re-
r-ia in; the Report of the London Militia Bill ; which
h lying heen brought up, was ordered to be recommitted
t ) morrow (this day).
Colonel Minas presented a petition from Richard
Williamson, complaining that the Hank of England
Lad availed itself of an invention of his for the preven-
tion of forgery, without giving him any remuneration.
I.‘id on the table.
OREACH OF PRIVILEUES.—Sir R. HERON
staved to the House, that he understood Sir W. Man-
nerN for whose apprehension the Speaker's warrant
had been issued, was now in custody of the Serjeant
at Arms, and that two of the witnesses who had been
summoned by the House were in attendance. He should
move, that the Order of the Day for the attendance of
Armstrong Jarvis be discharged, as it appeared he was
at present confined in Newgate. He should, probably,
have shortly a petition to submit from that individual,
praying for the lenity of the House, which he thought
ini4ht to be extended to him, as be was obliged to act
under influence.

The Order of the Day was then discharged. as was
else that for the attendance of the witnesses, William
Manson. Nrri. aril Wm. Atter.
Mr. Wvax agreed that the indulgence of the House
eight to be extended to Armstrong Jarvis, as it ap-
peared that he was not a f'ee agent in the proceedings.
't he Hon. Member then moved, that the Order of the
Day be read for moving the committal of Sir William
Masser' to his Majesty's gaol of Newgate.
Sir J. 011414.1111 contended, that it was impossible Sir
W.. Manners could have been aware of the proceedings
, .1. of the House. haring left his residence bcfore the
' Npealter's warrant readied Buckaminster. He therefore
1. thought it woad be a most severe measure to punish
him under such -circumstances, and should move that
die Order of the Day be discharged.
• Ur. Pllll4lllllOlllll said, Sir William Mangers had
• a t the Order of the tiouse at defiance, and be ought
• . to he made to suffer fur it. The motion fora com-
e, ailment did Dot ineltule Sir William Manners only ;
it likewise affected. Arasstrorg Jarvis; and nothing