The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-03-16 00:00:00

We men, and he 31041 have supported a still fattber
seduction, but for the greater number of men tegoired
for reliefs, ender the present system of enlistment. He
was the more urgent for reduction on account of the
state of the country.
Mr. WILBERFORCE said, he could not but think
that the military establishment would bear reduction.
Ile had no doubt that the Ministers had made inntliries
with a view to reduction, but it was well known that
the heads of military, as well as all other establishments,
wished to see them flourishing and well appointed. If
the force were now reduced, the country would bear
more willingly an augmentation in titne of emergency.
Mr. W. SMITH was convinced a great reduction
might be in our military establishments. If we
looked around us to see from what nation any attack
could by any possibility be made on our Colonies, we
should see that the mere forms of garrisons in them
would be quite sufficient. By reducing the number of
the troops in the Colonies the incidental expenses would
be more than proportionably diminished.
Lord PALMERSTON explained, and in reply to the
Member for Aberdeen, observed, that though there were
now in the saute regiment men receiving different vay
to consegiteiwe of different terms of service, they were
all on the saute scale of pay, which was different from
the creAlinif a degraded cast in a regiment.
After a few words from Mr. CALCRAFT, the House
divided—
For the Amendment
Against It
Majority —7O
The Resolution was agreed to, and a Bill ordered ac-
coriliugly.
Upon the motion for the second reading of the County
Courts Rill,
Mr. I.oi IiFIART spoke against the measure ; and

Mr. F. P.II.)IMIt spoke in its favor.
Me, CHETWYNI) argued forcibly in support of the
a scare, nrgiag that it would he unfair to encumber the
quarter Sessions, which were already burthened with
business, witit the objects which this Bill bad in view.
The .11"fiill.NEY-GENERAL spoke against the
tneasnre. lie. for one, was opposed to the ere •lion of
any new establishment, unless they were likely to com-
peusate for the enortuous expense which it would bring
upon the county Though he objected to many of the
clauses in the Bill, be had no objection to its going to
the Committer pry flruta for the purpose of filling up the
blanks.
Lori Aurtioit PE saill,that if allowed to proceed with
the Rill, it wag his intention to bring it as near as pos-
sible to the sulrzestiuus of the lion. Gentlemen who had
spolien ul•ou it, and concluded by expressing his hope
that the iloue would allow the gill to be read a second

time.
The rou,N El-(ENERAL explained.
Mr. CAMPBELL and Mr. J. P. 6RANT supported
the motion.
An Hon. Memnett said, he objected to several of the
I'Ln►sr;, but was nut adverse to the Bill's going into a
Committee.
Mr. MA NSFI ELI) observed, that there were no bur-
rlrus light as I 'ounty Rates. In no our instance had the
County {tato, of Leicestershire exceeded one penny in
the pound in the quarter.
Col. WEBB said, the ram, was very different with
tilaneesterhir•, u-l►ere the Comity Rate was very heavy.
Mr. MANSFIELD esplainesl.
After a few words from two Honovirable Members
nndler the Gallery, whose names we could not learn, the
Bill wa• read a second time, and ordered to be committed
on Monday ; as was also
On tl►w motion of Mr. STEWART, the Public Nota-
ries B►ll.
sir RNE/A, flowed the second reading of
the Tithes Leasing- (Ireland) Bill.
Sir OEIIROF, 11l 1.1. opposed the motion, being de-
eirous that the Bil', before the seronil reading-, should be
prime If .r :be of Men►bers. All the I risls
Bishops eC. e nit eI ►o the measure.
Mr. SPRING RICE warmly supported the motion of
the Hon. Bironet.
Mr. lAICKIIARI supported the Bill, and stated
that he had never beard a clergyman speak of the
Itill whicl► was introduced List year, and of which he
understood the present was a copy, who did not regret
that it hio! not passed into law. It was calculated
t' benefit both the occupier of land and the owner of
tithes, and to prevent those litigations which were so
freqaent between the parties.
Mr:STEWART declared the anxiety of the higher
order of Clergy fur the adoption of some regulation'
for the better collection of tithes, without pledging
himself to support the Bill now proposed.
Sir li. 111 LI, explained, and maintained that the
Bill ought to be printed.
Sir 11. PARNELL was of opinion, that the best
course to pursue woold be not to print the Bill until
it had come out of th►e Committee in a perfect state.
Mr. U. 1W Will N SON cuncured in that opinion,
observing that the greatest grievance under which
Ireland laboured, was the present mode of collecting
tithes. He did not mean to stigmatise the conduct of
The Cler.zy, but the system was equally disgraceful to
the church and oppressive to the people.
MT. COURTENA Y thought the most convenient
come amid he for Isis Right Honourable Friend to
give way...aull allow the Bill to be printed after going
through the Committee.
After so►ue farther conversation, in which Mr. Gor-
don, N.:, P. Nlo.ire, Sir G. Hi". and Mr. Courtenay
took part, the Bill was read a second time, and or-
diered to be committed that day sennight. The mo-
tion for printing it before it went through the Com-
mittee was negatived'.
The Annual Mutiny Bill was read a first time, and
ordered to he read a second time on Monday.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
411. d the House adjourned at half-past twelve.