The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-02-03 00:00:00

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IMPERUL Pd&LLIMENT.

HOUSE OF COMUONS.

Ir4IDAY, FEn. 2.
General GASCOIGNE presented a petition from the inha-
bitants of the city of Liverpool, praying for a continuance
of the Act prohibiting the distillation from grain.—Ordered
to he on the table.
Mr P. MOORE, seeing'an lion. Gentleman in his place,
wished to ask It it was the intention of Government to revise
thr Committee for inquiring into the affairs of India?
M r. WALLIS answered in the affirmative.
[AVERSION BILL.
Mr. BANKES brought in a Bill for rendering the Art
pasted in the 48th year of his present Majesty, prohibiting
grants orplacas * reversion perpetual. It was read a first,
and avdered to be read a second time oa Monday.
A Person from the African Company presented certain'
- gremlins at the Bar of the Masc. Ordered to lie on the
Table.
Sir JOHN SINCLAIR: rive notice, that on Monday he.
would move f,r leaveto bring in a Bill to amend as Act fir
, RAtairity the Highways.
.• Lord OClllt A N gate notice, that be watild on Mon-
day move for copic.s of the Oaths administered to Owns
Martial and Judge Advocates.
Returns of the ships cnteriag and clear* oat of the ports
Srotland fur the last year were brought from tbe Commie-
- s.• tiers of Customs in Scotlaad, and ordered to Lie on the
'I able.
• Mr.. JACKSON brought up the Report of the Committee
on Scotch Judicature; which, afters few words from Mr.
' Ho a sir. Pi and Mr. RYDER, was ordered to be Owed.
ltdr. CALCRAFT moved for Returns of all the Foreign
Corps nod Cairn:dal Tsatip's in his Majesty's service; as also
, the nantbers of the slaudipg Militia, together With the fists of
Alescrters, tke.—Granted.
' • tor.'Wlll A ItToel moved fur the returns of thib 5 pei cent.
• and ofAlatt Ansonia of .Laelsequer Bills for 1809,
outstanding and uoprovided for,,m-Granted.
CHAIRMAN Pk' THE. cg. 411 ITTEE t*' WAYS
• ' ' • . ASO 1iF,..1.1A S.
•The Order...4' tha Astl being moved for the
Nouse to cassava itself inks is Committee of Ways
: and Means,
• Mr: W. SMlTtlese to object to the manner
in which the sew hairman of the Committee had
• bets 'appeintedOrii's! to propose another.
The Speaker obeeeled, that to enable the House
to'deeidu on that it was necessary be
• should resume the Ch
Ms. W. SMlTabrpilly-repthlpiayd the Speaker
agrti tboit'tlie thittiVV
W,SMIT Oat proposed Mr. D. Giddy:
- The CHANCELLOR, of the EXtIIEQUER
olisirved, that this question ought to hare been
. divided on going into a Committee of Supply. If
"steels:irregular proteedings were to be admitted on
ta,!.ltext Committee, another now Chairman might
...atipro posed. He thought the Gentleman who had
Amen called to ilte-ChitiVbn'a former evening ought
to he stpl.continued in that situation.
.tift. W. gMITII was.aware, that the Chancel.
laretibt Esehuptie was.crisrect in whet he had
stattd •is to Meanest" of be lionse; but it had
- ever been usual 'to have a sort of an understand..
r lag oho •was to •be called upon, and it tad never
Wore -occurred, :that after a long debate, a Gen.
. (lowan •;lintild be called to the Chair. [Here Mr.
Smith was isiformed that the appointment had. peen
made early in the evening.] He was not sorry tri
. be 'eortected.in that particular.; he however had
other grounds for objecting to the appointment of
! 31r. Lophingtott to •the situation, as, in the pre.
• seat state of affairs, he could. hardly think that
Gentleman qualified to fill it. He bad been a
',Member 27 years, and remembered four if not
• five Gentlemen who had successively held that of.
ice. He remembered Mr. Gilbert, Mr. Hob-
hoosei Mr. Alexander, and the last Gentleman
whicuTleil the Chair with so much credit to him.;
• self. All of them were Gentlemen who, having
been in the. •Honse for a dumber of years, had psi!
the attention of the Members ; a.
Jaen ought• not-to be placed in that situation, who,
bpd got his lesson tOjeartr, but one who having
' .already learnt it had only to practise it. It was
the strong conviction felt ot? that head which placed,
'the Speaker in the sitoation he so worthily filled.:l
.The Honourable Grentlatuse who had presided ovir
the Committee on a former evening, though he
wished to speak of him with the greatest respect,
having sat in the House but two or three years,
could hardly be thought to possess the necessary
qualifications. The great increase of business in
'that House rendered the duties of the situation
more arduous than ever, or why had the sum
Usually voted for the ' services of the Gentleman
tilling that situation been increased from 5001. to
12001. ? He did not quarrel with the Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Leshington)—he only quarrelled
with his want of those qualifications which it was,
almost physically impossible he could possess.
Ile had had some thoughts of proposing Mr. Hob.
house; but he knew that Gentleman was particu-
larly attached to one party in that House, end he
thought impartiality in a Chairman of the Com.
mittee very desirable. That was the reason he had
proeoseal the Honourable Gentleman he had nam-
ed, who, being unconnected with either party, he
thought most eligible to fill the situation.
• Mr. D. GIDDY was greatly obliged to the
Hon. Gentjetuan, for his good opinion, and for
the honour he had done him. He was not aware
of the lion. Gentleman's intention. He had no
tliought of offering himself on the occasion,
though if their choice bad fallen on him, hkehotad
hay,: beets ausiouctoalleelmrge the duties of the
siinatiun in a satisfactory manner.
Mr. ROSE, though he felt the highest sonti.
MOM of respect for the lion. Gentlemen who had
been last proposed, thought the lion. Gentleman
called to the Chair on a former evening ought Cot
to be displaced.
Mr. LONG contended the house had not 'been
taken by surprize. It hail been previously an.
pounced, in fact, as a notice of the Committee
bad been giros. The lion. Gentkmen called to
the Chair was competent to the discharge of the
duties of the situation.
Air. LUSHINGTON was aware that the
lion. Gentleman (Mr. Giddy) might be better
quiliied for the situation than himself. It was for
the House to decide which of them should preside
htheir Committees. Whether their choice fell on
im or not, he truate4 his conduct would merit
their approbation.
After a conversation In which M. M.
m Moot-
.
goery, Mr. Wharton, Mr. Ponsenby, Sir C.
Adams, and Mr. Fuller participated,
M. W. SMITH declared, that a wish for jot.
partia4ty in the Chair had influenced his conduct.
lie ts(!uhc he had bunter; chesugject forward at
therrew tiasc. 'lt cotdd pot be said be wished

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to take them by surprise, when he barbronglit
the case before se full a House. Sinies !weever,
the Hon. Gentleman hethad propostid seemed to
decline, it certainly was not for him to press the
subject farther.
The question was then put and carried, almost
unanimously, in favour of Mr. lostiitagton,
WAVt tabs it EA is: •
_.l,lse House iesolted itself into a Committee of
Vr.ys:aml 'Means, in which the Malt Tax and
Pursohill Property Tax were voted, and the Re-
port was ordered to be received on Monday.
General GASCOYNE wished to know if the
Hon. Member who was Joel about to rise (Mr.
H. Martin) would object to postponing his in.
'ended motion for the present, if it e3uld be dame
without occasioning any serious inconvenience ?
Mr. H. MARTIN bad no objection to • post-
pone it till that day se'nnight, if it were the plea,-
sure of the House, and that day WAS likely to be
open.
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCITEQUE,.
thought it likely to be an open day, and 'won't!
have no objection to its then being brought on,
unless they were pressed by veil particular busi-
ness.
Mr. PONSONBY wished the Inquiry into the
Expedition to the.Scheldt to be carried on with as
little interruption as possible, and hoped the lion.
Gentleman would not press his motion till that
subject was dismissed. •
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The nintion was postponed till Friday.
Mr. IiFiIITBO,EAD, said, having waved his
motion forcartaiii, Papers relating to America for
some days, he. 'svottitt then. give notice, that on
Monday ho would move for tkioso Papers only
which may then he already published.-- • He hoped
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Yorke).
would not move the Standiug Order.
The SPEAKER said, . that as every lion.
Member had the right of enforcing that Order, is.
was a point which could not be'diicussed.
Mr. CROKER iil'esented certain Papers rela.
tive to Lord Gambier's Trial.—Ordered to lie on
the Table.
BUIAION.—EXPORTS AND IMPORTS.
Mr. ROSE presented a number uf, returespnr-
scant to Order, respecting the Trade and Com-
merce of the Country, and moved that they du lie
un the Table.
Mr. ROSE next eberved, that he was not pre-
sent, but he understood an Honourable Member
who spoke last night had stated, that all the im-
ports of the country were paid fur in bullion,
which was not the fact. It was also said, that the
Orders of Council would produce a great defaisa-
tion in the trade of the country, which was con_
tradicted by the papers which he hail the honour
Of producing. So far from the imports being paid
for in bullion, the balance of trade was, for the
-last three quarters, sixteen millions in favour of
the country. As far as-his judgment would lead
him, for he had no specific information on the sub-
ject, the export of bullion did not, he believed,
'amount to snore from this country to Europe than
400,0001. for the last year. • The, amount of the
vapor(' of this country amounted in value merely
to '28,000,0001. for the last three quarters, while
the imports for the year were not more than
22,000,0001. With respect to the. trade to the
United States of America, hie predictions were ve.
rifled, for though it decreased there, the House, by
consulting accounts, would find' that there was a
considerable increase in our commerce with other
parts .of the Continent. On the: whole, to all
parts of the world, there may be 6,000,0001. ex-
ported.
Mr. HORNER observed, that the Right lion.
Gentleman must have read a very inaccurate ac-
count of what he said, if he supposed Lim to have
advanced that the whole of our exports were paid
for in bullion. lie observed on the preceding
evening that bullion, by some means or other, was
mixed more with our exports and imports than
formerly. The internal state of the country was
flourishing in the extrame, notwithstanding the
improvideut waste of money by the Government,
as was evident from the high price of machinery,
and also in the high price of shares in those great
machines of trade and commerce, canals.
Mr. BARING said, the Right lion. Member
was anxious to bring forward his statement at the
present moment, when he knew the House wai
anxious to proceed to the important basiness
which stood for the day. It was attempted to be
propagated abroad that Ministers were the authors
of the great prosperity of the trade of the coun.
try; but he would prove the contrary to the
Mouse, when the-subject came more regularly be-
fore it,' and the papers were prittted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, that Ministers never put in any such
claim. It-was said by the lion. Gentleman and
his friends, that the measures adopted by Govern.;
meat would bo fatal to the trade and commerce of
the country; but their prediction was falsified by
the facts which appeared as the face of the-trap-era
just presented.

The motion was then agreed tol and the papers
were ordered to be printed:

EXPEDITION TO THE SCHELDT.
Lord PORCHES'fEtt, before he moved the
Order of the Day, rose to give notice, that en
Monday he would-move for certain papers, which
he thought were necessary to render those already
before the House complete. In those before them
two or three objects were named as those proposed
to be obtained by the expedition; while one part
of the forie was to be stationed as a garrison in
Walcberen, the other was to proceed to accom-
plish such of, the ulterior objects of the expedi-
tion as might appear practicable. But could It be
thought, when the expedition sailed, that no plan,
no instructions, save those in the General Orders*.
wereliVen r -Piotivfhl.paticis befoie them it sp.
peered, that a very few days after the Noble Lord
opposite hid stated, that " in consequence of Oil
seasonable fall of Fiddling every Obstacle to tbii
accomplishment of the ulterior object, of the ee.
pedition. was removed?" the ''syhnle itt' those pb.;
„ .
jects were ebirdpmed. could it be ihoufht Ault
the General hid rectieed ne'inatertiem in theirs..
tcrim to influpFe piicooduct P:: 'veil ut npi-•
nion that filch qepTialcAtiPsiliwitit 6,4 Plitcolv
and a they Nero setindeosill *moot cifusliper

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41010apitts before disallows a lefective and la.
cumidete; he should therefore give notice, that'
on Monday he would move, ".Thae certain Pa-
-1 parr:relating to the .Expedition to the Scheldt be
laid More the House."
Lord CAiWIALLEAGH took the earliest op-
portituay of pruMnting the Inquiry. When.lb4l
lubjeet was aelterted to before he was Unfortik-
, stately absent, sad nothing had been said till then
that could justify him in coming, forward with the
information it might be in his power to give.. Ito,
was then prepared foliate; that the War Office did,
net contain: alt.Ttitist was necessary to give the
Noble Lord the information ho, required. It was
impossible for
.Pefifons employed on such a service
to act wholly front documents, and all the infor•
mation that could be derived from documents
would not proceedirem the War Department ; it
would' Wild duty hereafter to state where such in.
formation might he fuend.—The inquiry, it would
appear at the outset, naturally divided itself into
two branches, sod he wished to know to which
the House first proposed .to direct .their attention.
With'respect to the policy of the Expedition, bat
a competatively small portion of information
could be derived from papers that might be laid.'
before the How. s Those considerations which
influenced his Maje4U's Government would have I
some weight with dial when deciding on the po.
licy of the measure .into which. they were abuts!
to ;squire. He would have to tionsider if the co
try %Val stt eircumstanceil that such an effort ;nig .
be Marie. without too mach impairing Our rooftree's
The presurnable.expenee was,also to be consideretli.
and whether the calculation hid been exceeded,
The situation in which we
.etuod with our Allice,
was also to be remembered, ihotigh that conside.
ration, with respect to Austria, might be too deli.,
cafe &saltiest to be openly discussed, bat of that
his lialineigipisters were the must competesit
. judges. The Houle .probably pot aware of 1
the -gee* extent of evidence necessary to enable'
them to,decitle on the policy'of his Maiysty's Go.
verriment, and to judge the grounds on which
the late Expeditious. was Undertaken. He should
feel it to be his duty to veil for such docunteeteil
and such evidence as might be required, as the
Inquiry proceeded. Ho supposed, from the
dance the Noble Lord had summoned, that it 1411
his intention first to proceed to the execetion,of
the Expedition. If that were .thecksequid if tle
policy or expediency of the measure were not*,
firsttbrought before the Eloise, he shonldi feetus4;
to be his duty to movo at the same period of OK
Inquiry for information on that sUbjeeti
would be presumption is him to lay before hn
,• House .the• case of the Commanders or of.Atiniii;
ten. Ile was glad the *bin Lord could not and
the plan and. the instructions he4xpeeted in. the
papers before the tlouse. Thc grounds of the in-
strurtions on which the army were to act were
contained under the Sign Manual, and were of -•
general nature. They did mot preteed to travel
dr into thealetail of-what was W regulate the con.
uct of the General. •On the face of the Admi-
ralty instructions it would be seeis.they went more
into the detail. The • reason was,e'the Admiralty
being a professional Roqttl, were capable of in.
structing their Officers how to act, which Ministers
could not do when sending out a General Officer,
with a military force. It would be travelling fur.
thcr into the subject than .he at present 'pro.
posed doing, were ho to go at large into the •ge.
nerally understood principle on
.which it Was un.ll
dertaken ; but at moue period of the Inquiry he
should state to the House the nature of the sec.
aide, the course taken in the. execution of it, and.,
the consideration whence his approbation pro-
- ceeded, when he stated that that which had inter.
feted with the ulterior .objects of the Expediti
had been removed by the fall of Flushing. Thtl
ulterior objects were 'unioubtedli'Anisierp, and
theshipping, arsenals,Magealues, &c. in its vicinityr
lie should state •his opinion of what had hem'
done, and be ready to hold the Officer from blame
who had commanded the armament if itshould
appear he had done his duty.. He wisheii• to ask
the Noble Lord if he intended first to call evidence
as to the policy or the execution ? He had no 'wish
to express on the subject. He wished entirely to
conform to that mode of inquiry which the House
in its wisdom should consider the best. He wished
the fullest inquiry to be made into his conduct,
that it might he seen how far his influence had been
exerted in advising the Expedition.
• Lord pottcliEsTEß: said, that. as it might
not be possible to separate the policy from the
execution, he proposed to go by time. Beginning
with the sebjects connected with the documents of
the earliest date, he thought they might commence
with the policy, proceed with the' cunduct,.and
close with the evacuation of Walchcren.
Sir F. BuRDErr thought the Orders of the •
Commander in Chief to the Officers under hint'
appeared wanting.. rk_ejsr.odisetiotrbf the Mili.
tax, Jammu/ fff the Staff Officers he thought might
supply the deficiency. •.
Lord CASTLEREAGU and Sir P. BURDETT ex.
changed a few words, which, from the noise
which prevailed in the gallery, we were unable to
collect.

Mr. CROKER gave notice that he should on
Monday move for certain papers relating to the
Expedition to Walcheren, which had been omitted
in the returns laid on the table, Thole Rapers
would servo to mike the whole complete, in order
to a proper understanding of the question so far
as related to the share which the Admiralty Board
had jn.the Expedition, .
Mr. W. WYNNE wished to know if the Coma
mender in. Chief of the Expedition had been in.
Urn;led.tn proceed immediately to Antwerp, or if
it tart of his order to besi.ge f lushing first ?
lilt tCASTLEREAG If knew of no. instruct:
flip; but thoSe'eiven 'cinder the Sign Manual.
Me. TIMRNEY thoight any papers that it,
coolant be necessary for them to harp produced'
Coluld be moved for in Iho'Committee. ' .
:, The Cif 4NCEI4I;OR of the Excquwea-
eel opinion they might
.be referred to a Secret
Cenuajtlee, who sociW' decide what papers might
to'be predliced. 49 ale g live notice that on
M NA% tim
be wunid e for Clio gitpqiupnetit of
tow
•Rzitzi Midl he fk°4lit 09t° RI q
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bid the nese -44 the House in their revoir,
a right to determine is what manner the
l
should be carried on. lie was for eppoi;
a Committee that night, that no time shod
lost. -

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Mr. CANNING. was anxious to give the to
spiry the greatest possible effect. Ile had turnL
.:ly suggested the propelbtrof referring the teili,2
evidences to other tribunals, mid he gate it :/t,
opinion that it wouldritiive been better 10 telit
~dune. He would state, in a very few wards
'-he thought it would be most becoming the worsts,
to inquire into. There were three pointeto se
l'%
he thought their attention should be directed. ritl,
first in order which, they plight to investigate li
- the policy of the Expedition. This was the newt:
tendetqeestioooince it comprehended thesiteal:"
in which Great Britain was placed with the a&-'
Powers ailEtspare. Fur this he felt himself iii7L
highest degree- responsible. The Military
AZ
Naval proceedings, though he viewed etera sip 7
the most favetwablo eye, he could not thine it;
self responsible fee. He did nut cookie, L.
answerable ;at ell enswerae for the eeacistiii7
Walcheren ; at, the same time, while saying th:!
ho most distinctly deserved to be endontoed ea,
giving an °pillion either the note way 014
other. - ffe was in the deepest .degree responsible
at ho bad to answer for the origin of the lisp,
dition. It inieht be that the House Wield le —II
opiukus, that blame attached itself nowhere; by
jr it should appear that blame did attach Ilse.
viler; if he von; too attire in eliciting slisat,
los.. a dic peciedice of edliers, it might appear tho
he wished tolbsow the blame off himself by plati.
' the misconduct of others in a most lemissotespoi:i
of view. Ile would, therefore,. pooch's'',
glut
his attendance thrsseghout the lageiry, aldgs,
every explanation of Ida own Conduct; het e,,
his intention to avoid as must ae peesiwbki.
au active part, whore he was. nqt Datums*, ca,
cernesi, •
. The Papers were ordered to be referred to tit
Committee.
' " The House, on the motion of Lord PORCHUTIII
then resolved into the Committee.
' ' Mr. YORKE now moved . the Standing Ordrt
fur exclusion of Strangers, which-was, of count
enforced) and the. Gallery yea clepeed.
' . [We were net again • admitted, but we entire
stand that on Sir D. Dtsndas (the-first wiutts)
Aeimi called in to bq eaamitted, some fliffiCtillt
-arose...ll.W tbe-froegloty of examining Sir Davi
withcistit. MO especla leave of Ms Majesty. Si
~ band .. wes direetetitli withdraw, end after saes
disceasion, at the'Onoclusion of wbioli the clog.
nation of Sir .INWeisi was not procteded . an, th
House; at too delitek, adjourned WI Selittlayl
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' I • ' E3S•XX ELECTION, .: ..
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Flittrpo
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The Election for a Knight of the Shire, to sena
in the room of John Bullock, Esq. deceased, use
on at Chelmsford on Wednesday last. Mr. lie.
gnyne arrived in the morning, .with some free*
frota London, Omni eight o'clock. Me :Hastings
made his entry nbouteielen o'clock, supportelbr
a very numerous and respectable body f Fors.
holders, many of whom had briskfast othst
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morning at Screens, the sett. qt T„10. li int.d,
Esq. (Mo. Iloublon's father.lo,lloll4,4oorlm.ltell
forms having been gone thrueglii:Joho Catty*
Eoq. proposed Mr. ifoublon to fibs Motors it
a speech, in which he gave a Alert amen* el
the politioal life of their deceased Acptioesta
tivc, and ceutriiiii.lp introduce Mrs. •Cletke, the
burden of the sooriof Alley Vroker, she Crows
and Anchor 'rework*. htei Sad towel by.
what ho conceived :Mb', 46 tilatt 'Or
isducemoots" for the ".Phsetgre, tit. .ltte
..joi:
4„.....,'that he wit. n foxJtutsthari:littli4
tittg been aught bqw to pall in, ert‘is itipergi
t Ito,:
pull in the House '.,tsf Comment 41teki tla
,
necessary. ; •
Sir JOHN TYRRELL -ttoise&red de
Electors in a short speech in.• ' ' 'of Mr.
Houhloti. .
Mr. II OUBLON then addresied the Me.oting
to the followint.. Parrott :LeMr. High Sherif,
G.e.ntlemen Voters, and Bes)ther Freeholders—ln
aspiring to the high Aorwinr Of representing yea in
Parliament, I should be wenting in respect to you
if I did nut feel and confess myself impressed with
the deepest sense of the importance of the trust to
be vested in the charge of your •Represeutative.
Should I be fortunate enough to possessyonr goat
opinion to such an extent as to place mein a sites.
Hon so enviable, I trust I shall on all °cattiest. be
aetentive to your best interests, and likewise win,
fain my own honour and independence. i Bravo!.
bravo ! Iloublon for ever !1--Firtqjitaspietril7
lei pitschosaet td 'the be's( 'of Kiwis, whose
'irchiSowloxlged virtues have secured hies the love
and admiration of his people, through i log Intl
arduous reign, and steadily attached to the British.
Constitution, I am proud to avow myself at all
times desirous of supporting its -oilc and teli. ,
glees establishments: [Braved lrfuroo—Ltuikt
the kind auspices of the Iwo. ilosourahle Gentle. '
men who have done me the. favour to recut:mead
Arno to your notice; I now otfer.myself to the choirs ,
of the Freeholders of Essex. [Bravo! llombloo
for ever !]
Tht• Sheriff hiving put the question, whether it
was the desire elf the Freeholders to propose sty
Oboe Candidate fur their representation ? .
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. Mr., PETER , DUCA NE came forward, led '
shortly addressing the Freeholders, said, Urns
acme's, I have the honour of proposieg fur ,
jour choice, Mr. Montagu Burgoyne, as an in!
„P deptartlent.matt, to represent you in Parliament.
,
i.(4lixed exprgraiutip fir applause. 'and disapprobs• '
seen.)
ti‘ moo Lapse of time, - 1%;;‘.1:
A It. K. ALLEY '
addressed-the Freeholders, an‘ said, Geotletneet
in otreiiiig myself to your costyderation,
for the
purpose of seconding the troth nation of my woe:: :
thy friend, I shall inkier) a very ;bort Pereli°lLa '
yqur time. When. I had.the honour of proeo7v
ing him oq g former oceatilye .tp be if Canslido
for your representation its Parliament, I did w
from a coufidence in hie' Wettish avid a ITO
conviction of the lidepeudenol,his pryvcipta,
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