The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-12-17 00:00:00

MR. OWEN'S Pt.CR.

Sir W. DE CRESTVINY rose. pursuant to notice, ta
:nose fur a Seiact COMMitZee en 31r. Oaren'a Nen fur the
amelioration of the :uvur orlert.. It. ti::.: as Le
tllntiea laa,l P. 4:4rt 11/4CI object in tail e, it would he rt.-
*circa, by all sides 3f tho ilnuse. its that same spirit of
tmoriliation tallith they hod evinced so Turalny night.
The plan trhiels be had to propose oat nt le:i.t tlrservintr
of inquiry. and It pror:edeil frost p:rsons ttho reere noes
dt.S4Olll tallt Rnrh RO inquiry shottli The
heertAkee gnie Into bug,. enpen.liStire in sup-
plying the means of ittiirn-t destrert,en I 11,. 1,1,4 it
:stolid not think it b. nee its ::0t...,• to attend to seri% ft
plan as tllie, Wil•Clo had IV( • et hntiotti
fell iti.--
tine of the most t•ronsinent • .7:% of !V.1.. swon's pl
tree the system cf cork n -h it ear! tared.
Whets he ors at Nam- 'me sate in th • institotw •
there, 3 Liii!drett at tse err of two years, hogi: nr•-;
io rewire the bent fits of eut,entian. Ihey u ere all untie
affectionate tub other, awl in the whole of their ;1„..
rationtkere rata sutb recnisrity and harmony, that .
-oetne I entirttly to be soother irorl f etr4r, he •r -

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The Hoe. Baronet procemle,: to contend for tie neces-
sity of isquiring at least into the expedicney rat the pies.
Where was the mischief of irirrAlFatoon ? If, as a whole.
It might he fossil objectionable, cull there were. peldips.
souse parts of it which might be found useful. There!
was nut a SOWPT is the forest from which the bee did not
gather some bouey.—(hear, hear!)—He coecluded with
repeating his mottos.
lord A. HAMILTON rose to second the motion. He
did sot pledge Mum& at all to the excellency er expe-
diency of Mr. Owee's plan: agaim: which he knew a
very strong prejudice peevalled ; bet he knew that the
distress of Ode poor was great. aid that sassy persons
looked anxiously-towaeds thii ples-for relief ; and
therefore he stroegly.roeemnsesdedexamlestios sad es-
spiry is the Must. Re knew much good had arisen
kern Ide.'owee's plais tie narrow booed' to which
tterts toadied ; is
Lwhich was asked by the present
mottos was ihsulry as to how far It could be extended
with benehrierefests.
"Mr. DROUHIIAM lease opinion the House should
be cautious of sancliesieg the plan submitted to them.
se it might mad he dfrappointment, and Indisposed the
people to such is were malli.practicable. For himself
hi thought the °phases of He. Owen oeleunded, and
differed from finny Of them altogether. lip the details
of ILI plan, fie:fever, there was mock deeming of no-
ire. portieplarly what related to the training of child-
ren fie thought a Committee ought to be appointed
to enlnfre 'into that most important i :zilch of the
subject. The children were only taken from the pa-
rents is the day-titre; who, by that means. were ,ew-
allied to work for their malntainance and the good ha-
bits acquired by the children bail a good effect on the
morals of the parents. An experiment on that subject
in which several beam olent individuals bad concurred
with himself, was then trying. not far from that place.
Owes was a most candid and liberal projector; and,
VP the occasion to which he had alluded, had given one
of Lis awn superintendents. The school to which he
bad before adverted was on Brewer's-green. Westmin-
ster, which was open at all times to those who wished
to inceire into the nature of the plan that he and his
friends hod adopted. lie should tote for a Committee
to inquire into what parts of the plan might appear to'
be practicable, and to separate those from the rest.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gave
much credit to the mover for the motives by which he
was actuated ; and the coincidence, on subjects of that
nature, among those of the most opposite political opt-
• showed, that the common object in view was the
good of the cowry. lie could not agree to give the
authority or the &section of Parliament to *themes that
pot ashy appeared to him visionary. but also fraught
with much danger; though, at the same time, he did all
justice to the Imitations of Dlr. Owen. Two meetings
bad been held in 1817 ea the subject of his plans, 03 the
lath and 21st of Asgust. The Right Hos. Gentleman
ties preeeeded to read an account of whet bad 'taken
place at those meetings, where Mr. Owes bad asserted.
that gross errors had been renibised is all the systems
of religion I. the world. and that be himself was of no
particular religion. With respect to his politics, he bed
stated at the semi time, that is almost every ems the
iuterem of the flovernors appeared opposite to does of
the governed. His plan. if carried into fall enemies.
would subvert ell religion mud all government. Upes
the oressioo to which be allot:ed. en amnions had
Imes rayed by an Hos. Gentleman opposite (Wairbesen).
sr..) there cnikkbe no effectual remedy for the grievasces
cocaplaieed ef.Noilbast a free representation of the
people is Parliament; that was the universal peewee
tor all the disorders of the likely Politic. The rejeeliee
of the modes did not go to reject what might be daily
useful in it; and on part of ft, to thought. the loud
of Agriculture sai4ht be prorerly consulted.
Mr. J. 83111T11 had heard the speech of the Right Hen.
Crutkinas with much regret, and described Mr. Owen
as a most benevolent character. The system of Mr.
Cwcw had, for fourteen years. been in full operation at
New Lanark ; it had removed all the passions to which
children tire liable; and no man could ace a boy of gins
or tea years of age, at the Establishment of New La.
• eri•hula nibhinz that his own Ma had bail the
twit Id of a sintiiar education. If the Chsenellor of the
Exeneouer hail no specific plan is view for the relief of
the c.isiresseci. he ought to agree to the motion.
The iIi.IhrELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER stated,
that his objection to the motion did not arise wholly
••••, cn"iderations of religion bit at a future period

h. v ate Iris minions—more fatly.
r. stated, that with the speculative part
cf. C. plan he was *!dolly at war. The use of machk
a as in as osy the c tote of the present distress, as
it e rdIJ never lessen the Demand fur the article so pro-
.n of Owen went to establiih a new
a . ' Letter -.nd to increase all the productions
country. Ile should thi re:ore vote for the Com-
r 't:re. He was himself to to a community of
gei.da, aid tile division of a county it.h. Neal/410-
;r one. Inadeliary of capitul 1.110 the cute.; that the
T.-.;1 wen ut...mployissi; to: t..r that Gov. rument was
tol+a In ce:taiu cases copital could be emit
ere rountry, to anot;:er, 1.-Sere it would be wows
:.:.'active; but neither col.ld that he laid to the drama
of the liurerutareut. fist ortisri:.l causes had hers
aii!derl to the natural causes of the export of capital;
LKJ tint, by the Core Bill, as vixen wages were high
pewits woad be low. The wood artifical cause was
toe aisles imposed on all foreign unities. in the way of
r.ita!/avon, us was alleged, of those impose.' upon ours; ,
kit be mineeived the eositry ought to pursue a different
t.n117.. .1 third caner of the tapers of British rapital
the National r..:et.t, it coosespience of which the
is .es had become so commons, that in all commercial
si:•colaiions it was a ti i*".er of doubt 'jibe profits would
iunify th, ezpenies. o make sudden alteritioas in I
'he laws tow existing. %rued be highly injurious to those'
alio bad 'plaided tze:r capital on the faith of the ex-
isting renlattor.s. th. :he rtiiject of the National Debt
he eatertained a singular opinion : hr thougbt it
ought to. and might he pelt' off, but not at par; for
should it be paid offal the tarot price. the pohlie faith
would be fully redeemed.—(llear, hear') —He WAS of
.pinion that the country had rot readied the highest
point of its prosperity, and sl ouhi vac for a f'nnintiti
tee, liuoied to the meats of Ending 'mph yment fir
the Poor.

A Manenc atat.:d-Lic e;,inine. that the system of Mr.
Oe I n roeldafford 1.0 prat ticai relief.
:V: 4,0TH:11/VC had, at the Mettir: alittieJ to by
the t :aaneellor of the Eceliequer, thong% tire ',llan quite
eatray..:f ant ; and the failure it then experienced W3l
inure r n,s.K to the opinion,. of Mr. Owen on relit;ion,
than t.. •Ity efforts that be ('4r. W.) Lad made ou the
occasion. But at the taur time, he ..ale no objet lion to
l'ononitter, were it unii to t a2oce the itaidequacy of
•'!. plan.
wit ALTIIOIIPF. had nut supported the Gum Lill,
. ;:e 'conceived it to he a grea: obje.e to hare capital
-• in the raising of corn. at:ri the while
that end. A rtt:cal of fn.
IN teen a treat; r ortedt. :••. 0..:
ormin Le Pio:m.la to

THE RTA'

Mr. WILBERIVRCE thonght that to refer the plan
to a Cummins* would *to exeitaLopcs that could only
end to ditappoistatelit. It was a nii,:alieo notion that ,
men wouldiaboar more is the event of a convnanity of
goods, than irlign every man we. left to enjoy the freits
of bieown acqUisition. The opinions of Mr. Owen, if
establisbefi, world lee"! to the old state of Wage previ-
ew& to the introduction of Christianity. Ile was of opi-
niow4botiltereonntry bad net yet attained the bright of
its prosperity, especially takiug into view the atteption
paid to the education and instruction of the people.
.Aldermen WOOD tnouglit that part of the plan that
related to the employment of the poor was quite practi-
cable. The present was the first motion for a Committee
on the employment of the poor. tie should vote for the
motion, unless a general plan should be adopted, into
which the plan of ilir.Owen might be incorporated.
Mr. llanwst.i was in favour of a Committee.

Mr. D. W. HARVEY stated. that a Society at Len',
had sent some of their bode to examine the Establish-
ment at New Lanark, and they bad reported, that Mr.
Oiren's Particular opinions never apprised is the ma-
nagement of the Eng& fitment. It was clear that !I
pence. wen living there in a state of comfort and mo-
rality.

Sir W. its CRESPI6NY said, there was no contwa-
oily of goods at New Lanark. Should Ministers state
It to he their intention to bring forward any plan► he
would withuraw his nation.

The House than divider', for the motion 16 ; against it
111.

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