The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-06-07 00:00:00

TIIE STATESMAN.

He should, in consequence of this misfortune, pro,
pose, that proper persons be appointed at Quarter
Sessions, and that they should be paid in due pro.
portion for their trouble. It was gratifying, how.
ever, to I.sti u, that the loss of life had beets of late
exceedingly small, not exceeding one per cent. per
annum, a loss falling short of the average loss sus-
tained in every outer class of manufacturing in-
dustry. As he was desirous that the measure he was
now suggesting, should he put into the most per-
fect state that was attainable, he should submit that
the Bill for which he intended to move might be read
a first time. and then printed. During the recess it
might be circulated through the country, and receive
the proper amendments. It could, if it should be
found necessary to guard against the arts of design-
ing men, be afterwards made a part of the Bill,
that no engagement contracted after this period, in
violation of the provisions of the Bill, should be
lawful. Under these considerations, he moved for
leave to bring in a Bill to amend and extend the
former Acts, &c.
Mr. W. SMITH said a few words in favour of the
Bill, which he conceived to be now in the most pro.
per hands.
Mr. HORNER approved of the Bill As far as it
went, but conceived that all measures of this sort
were merely palliatives. He thought that Parliament
should turn its attention seriously to the question
of allowing parish children to be put apprentices in
the cotton manufactories. At present a great num-
ber of children of a tender age were sent as appren-
tices at a distance of 200 miles from their home, and
entirely withdrawn from the comfort and advantage
of being under the inspection of their parents, which
was so necessary at that tender age. Cases had oc-
curred, when upon the bankruptcy of some of those
individuals who had taken those apprentices, whole ,
gangs of those children had been transferred by sale
with the stock in trade. Cases had occurred, where
many of those children so transferred had been left
almost in a famishing state. He supposed that those
cases were rare, but still the possibility of their re-
curring was sufficient to engage the most serious at-
tention of Parliament. He had once heard a state-
ment of a fact still more horrible than the cases he',
bad stated : it was of a bargain, where for every
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twenty sound children handed over to the manufac-
turers, it was agreed by them that one idiot child
: should be taken. It appeared to him that the best ,
way of preventing those evils would be for Par-i
liament to prohibit the practice of sending the chil-
dren of the poor to be apprenticed at a great dig- I
I Lance from their homes and from their parents. 1
I Mr. PHILLIPS said, that, however necessary i
I it was once for the manufacturers to endeavour to
increase the population in the neighbourhood of their ,
, manufactories, that necessity had now in a great j
I measure ceased, and the great improvements in ma.
1
; chinery hail ve-y much diminished the apprenticing'
system. Ile showed, from a return which he had
received from a house of the very first rate, that by i
"far the greater number of persons now employed ,
in the manufactories consists of persons upwards of
14 years of age. As to limiting the hours that they I
were to work, it must be recollected that this would
be limiting also the comforts and 'advantages that
they were to derive from their work.
1 Mr. HOME SUMNER wished, that a short Bill ,
could be passed this Session to compel from other'
manufacturers detailed reports, such as the Honour- I
able Gentleman had received from one manufacturer.
—ln such case the House would possess informa-
tion to direct them neat Session how to legislate onl
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this subject.
After a few words from Mr. ROSE, leave was;
given to bring hi the Bill. 1

would he 'a breach of the spirit of the Navigation
Act. That Act, however, had been originally in-
tended for the encouragement of our commerce and
our seamen, much more than to encourage the trade
of ship-building, although this trade flourished, as
was naturally to be expected, in the general pro-
sperity of our commerce. The Navigation Act was,
however, never at any time, so construed, ni under
the words, British-built ships,• to exclude the ships
which were built in our colonies. Indeed, the very
words of It mentioned the territories in possession of
his Majesty. It was perfectly well known, that
when America was in the situation of a colony, Ame-
rican-built ships were not considered as excluded by
the Navigation Act, from the advantages given to
British ships. He would now ask, upon what prin-
ciple of justice were the Americans, and every nation
in amity with us, to have advantages in this trade,
which were to be denied to British India With
respect to what had been said as to the state of desti•
tution of the yards, he was convinced that it was not

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that they could build them cheaper than %re could in
this country ; and it was just as clearly ascertained,
that all nations would purchase where they cot.ld do
it the cheapest. The Right Honourable Gentleman
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had also told us, we %%ere in danger of losing India.
He was sorry to say we had a similar version to that

doctrine from eren a higher authority than the Right
Honourable Gentleman. Warren Hastings hiro.4.lf
had declared in that House that we held India only
by a thread, and that thread was public opinion.
India had already been three times in great danger
from want of attention to this. Once from the inter-
ference and intrigues of foreign enemies, who had
nearly turned the tide against you. Another time

from some ridiculous but wanton alteration of the
fashion of their turbans or the cut of their beards ;
and the third from a difference between the King's
and the Company's officers. It had been said that
we were beuud to encourage and support India by

all the means in our power, but we were not hound
to give such encouragement at the expense or risk of
our own paramount security—oor maritime strength.
For these reasons be had opposed the further progiess
of the Bill.
Mr. WALLACE explained.
' Mr. F. DOUGLAS replied to the arguments Of
the last Speaker, whose apprehensions, from the en.
actment of this Bill, he considered as quite vision-
ary. The Hon. Member appeared to him to base
quite mistaken the authorities to which he refetie.l,
with regard to the security of our Indian Empire.
That Empire was, in his (Mr. D.'s) opinion, best se.
cured to this country by treating its inhabitants with
Justice—by allowing it to make use of its produce,
and import its commodities on the fairest terms. Such
was the object of this Bill, and therefore he sup.
ported it, being always willing to treat our Colonies
as friends rather than to deal with them as enemies,
which seemed to be the import of the last Speaker's
observations.

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occasioned by the East India shipping, but by the j Sir CHARLES MONCK opposed the Bill. He
want of that employment which Government had af- did hope, from the full consideration which this mei.
forded them during the war, and also by their own sure had undergone, that his Majesty's Ministers
improvidence, in driving away every species of ship- would have seen the expediency of abandohing it al-
ping except the must expensive. It was from that together, as a measure inconsteet ' with those princi.
improvidence, therefore, that they now resisted the ples of national advantage which it was our duty to
Bill, and sought an indemnity at the expence of the : uphold.
East India Company. The number of ship-wrights ' Lord BINNING maintained, that ships beilt in
was stated at about 4000, but as they were chiefly India were entitled, by the navigation laws, to be
employed in repairs, nearly four-fifths of their trade received and registered in She ports of this coontzy.
would remain, if they had neither the Covernmeut Though he did not thiuk that oak timber was so
nor the East India Company ; and, therefore, it could scarce as some represented, yet from all the reports
not be said, that their ruin would be effected by the made on the subject at different periods, it was clear
introduction of the Bill. The East India Company • that there was a necessity for husbanding our ree
had at present 30 ships, which must shortly be replaced sources. The benefit-of the new Charter would not
in some way br other, and no doubt could be be obtained If the House did eat agree to pass tat
entertained that a proportion of them would be Bill.
built in this country. From many circumstances
indeed, they could be built much citeaper here than
in India. In some parts there was a difficulty in! al
procuring wood, and a sufficient number of ship- I Mr. MARRYAT thought that- if the case stO
wriglits could not be found ; and it was not to be quired it, they might import timber, but not ships....
supposed, that a trade which an Englishman was not the manufactured article.
seven years in learning, could be acquired by an In.. The House then divided on the question of going
dian in one year. It had been urged, that no ad. into Committee. The numbers were—
vantages would accrue to this country, from build-, The House having resolved into the Committee,
ing ships in India; but the very reverse was the some conversation took place. The House resumed,
truth, as one third of the materials must be sent from the Report was received, and ordered to be further
Etigland. In India, they had never been able to considered on Thursday. The Bill was ordered tail
make iron applicable to the purposes of ship build-
be printed.
ing; they had no copper at all; and in regard to I
The other Orders weredisposed ofl and the llosom
canvas, Mr. Horner had said, that he would not adjourned.
softer a ship to come round the Cape without English 1
sails. In 1801, Lord Wellesley had expressed an i
opinion, that we should derive very considerable ad-
vantages from ludia-built shipping, and it was per- I
Ifectly clear, that if we would avail ourselves of ! A famous dny's play of pugilisni took plate yetter4
Ithose advantages, we should make this country the day at bloulsey Hurst, before a numerous assem.
,„oniversal emporium of trade. It was much to be binge of amateurs. 'file great match was between
wished that there was a practical-security for oak in Scroggins, the sailor, who had distinguished himself
this country, but it had been proved in evidence that on a different element, and Nostrotlhp, the baker,
not otte•fourth part was grown in it which was reeoi- who wns thought terrible from his having won with
site for the Navy alone. Vesicles, the price of oak. Dutch Sam, about which event so mach-dispute has
was four times as much as. it was `0 years ago, aut. existed. It was a sporting fight, at even betting,
withstanding the facility of ittlausl navigation. but Scroggins had be turn.. Belcher and Gibbons
Mr. MA ititYAT said Bill was Oleo. seconded Scroggins, and Cribb and Clark officiated
listed to give support to the people in. tie East Indies for Nosworthy.
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at the expense of the most important interests of the Round 1. Scieotihe sparring at judging distance. SCrOigins
ship-builders of this country , the encouragement of
snliret rallyl ;onllosintedwaarnhiatim:l4lleicththiwas rarned seitonr'Colla
whom was most essential to the support of the navy. ~,,,„, down. is„wortily ender, who produced place,rst blood from
iHe could not see the reason why they should be in- the nose and mouth.-5 and 5t04 on Scroggias.
dulged with so great a preference in comparison of and ‘!,)i;)
iveeortfhtohrenbesont (CoolintatTlVl sn
niece
"West svorwtliir gamed;
; what was enjoyed by our colonial possessions, which hit, turd a tremendous tidly followed, which showed to the
`were bound to take our manufactures at our own spectators which wsts tfiebest imfighter. llotb into frequentiy
hit each other awaytkadreturoed with teat antive courage to
; price, and to send us exciosively in return their raw
offensive °penalises.; Straggles proved himself tbe best;
I material. In the East Indies they were exempt from fighter and the hest punisher. nod he bit Noswmbitfiiiiti
all these restrictions. Their country was open to the last, deriding blood add the down. .s•
! S. This was as obstinately a euntested round as the kid.. Bs&
flags of different nations, and they had a right to buy men were on their mettle, but the hitting of .4:rogiias was ter-
as cheap as they could, and to sell their commodities rific. A most courageous rally again took place, kod 'Nes-
tor the very highest price they could obtaid for them ; worthy
blondriethy rcved a dreadful right-handed hit under thaw ,Mm
tha, berm
w‘
flowed copiously inwardly, and he was agate
and as they were not subjected to colonial restric- knocked down.— to lun Scroggins.
tions, they were entitled to more than colonial privi- 4. Scroggins having got his man under, exercised is pee-
link talent wit!' mark adroituess. He hit him in avalty to an
leges. The price of oak was not more than .it had parts „t• the ring. Seaworthy was returnable with tough cau-
-1 i 5 in S cropins.
been sixty years ago, and the use of tt was greatly rage, hut he was here beat, and never recovered biamelf.-4 to
diminished ; of course the demand for it must be less,
S oggi•ns availing himself of the weakness
for it was well known that the supply of every cum- or his Intveirsas roundry, not onlycr out-fought him, but he showed himself
modity is in proportion to the demand. It was a most decidedly the best fighter, and Nosworthy only stood JO
matter of fait well ascot taireed, that in various parts rzetivsehtehgeiteis of his adversary, who broke away, bit in, and
of this kingdom there were extensive plantations of • It would be uninteresting to pursue this fight fur her in de.
oak, which had been set on foot within the last 20 tail. Nosworthy was knocked down at setting to in the sixth
rental In the seventh he made his last, but unsuccessful efforts
i years, and if the Legislature showed a strong incli- although he planted a good right-handed bit uposi his opponent's
nation to encourage any measure that tended to de. eve-lid. In the eighth round, Nosworthy was agaia knocked
predate its value, the proprietors of these oaks would . (awn, and he bad no chance after bat at
unable to came the bead stop. lie was
to time after the 15th round, and his head suss
be apt to grub them up and destroy them ; and ifnever auto( chancery from the first round. The battle lasted ld
after that, by the loss of India (which- the Right Ho- ' minutes. .
1
Sim, he %VA always considered by the best j•,dges of fighting as
probable), you should be thrown back on your own • a second-rater of ordinary talent, and iu Ibis combat be showed
:it to the ring. He is a
resources, you would then find you had impoverishedthorough game itr,rbionbe is a strange;
a.c,te
yourselves, and would alone have the blame of so ; tgi tteere,7rl tol ito aear h a
e
doing to compensate the misfortune. If this arga- of throwing away his blows to the adsantage of a main like
gtiooisitclesnpaecrrer.,risod 'has a very onhalspapy knack
meat held good with respect to ships, it applied equal- crttitlgegins, who cfaabreak and receive him: Scroggins hempd
h a right of the day,and reminds t ateur
lylo all articles of manufacture in India, and that ' more of thenleixploitsi of Hooper, the tekhroted annum, at ie-
was directly contrary to the spirit of our legislation, fighting, and at other tiniei in springing lilts, like the renuss iiii,.i
which had always been directed to the protectiou of I.°liii:477.anieleinis one of
oittattlanressluettretelhie"c3otViwntet will
g etirl'aitt b:es
our own manufactures against the competition of man, be covered his head with' his left hand. went in. and get to
foreign rivals. The Right Ilon. Gentleman had said his. forte: He is a tremendous hitter, unclean heat any devils
there was do danger could arise to this country from ' stone man iu the world.
building ships in India, for they could not build ships A second and insist courageous battle was fought
beteeen Tom Johnson, of Paddington, and Reza. a
there. If that argument wns true, it went directly ,
against the Bill itself, for it was ridiculous to pass a smith, a pupil of Oliver's. .The former won in half
an hour, 'after much good and determined fighting.—
Bill for the protection and encouragement of ship_ an
received a bit at the close of the battle under
building in a country where such a measure was not
lower
to be effected. But the argument destroyed itself by the i
nd left rib, which sent him to sleep. Jo*
ping too far, and it was too well known that they • 11 arl a Jones seconded the %rimier, and Oliver
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could bald ships, and bad built ships; and further and Painter the loser.
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rdr. going into Committee,
Againg it
►Majority

kocesT.— - Monday afternoon en Inquest was
'held nt the Jew's Harp, Regent's Park, before G.
lioncson, on the
.body of Mary Beag!e, who
eas found drowned iii the New Cut, Regent's Park.
—Verdict, ileeidentalo Drowned.
William Barron', alias John Beeson, the man be-
longing to his Majesty's ship Spartan (now on board
the Prince), who, to avoid punishment, had declared
himself concerned In the murder of Marr and others,
is found to be an impostor, and his statement is alto-
gether false.
There has been a very lave importation of Merino
wool from America, as well at France, within th.,
last month, which has occasioned a great depression
in the British market for clothing wool.

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