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of Justice, where so much depended on the manner
in which evidence was given. The only object at
present was to collect a body of information on the
subject, from competent and respectable witnesses.
Mr. TIERNEY thought there was as much reason
for having this examination conducted at the Bar of
the boom as any other, and if the arguments used
by the Noble Lord, and the Ron. Alember Kho had
just sarliown, went to any thing, they went to this,
that all examinations whatever ought to be referred
to a Committee up stairs. The ideal:lance on this
Committee was greater than any he ever remembered,
and the evidence had made an impression on the
minds of many Gentlemen, who he was Erre would
not read a bulky volume of evidence, if put into
their hands. The hardship, it wits said, of not
having the evidence given at the Bar, applied equally
or still more to these who wished to establish their
claim to an open trade, none of wlen witnesses had
y'et been brought forward. He tholes* to too, aid
he would plead for these persons, if they wished to
appear at the Bar of the House. It was possible, •
however, that their evidence might be such that they
would rather be desirous that it should be given:in&
corner, than exposed to the broad face of day.' If
it would not too much distract the attention of the
Noble Lord (Castlereagh), who he, supposed was
reading some India paper--.-{A lungh]-r-he wished t•
to be informed, whether it was hin intention that the
Select Committee should sit aftie.this night, or not
till efter the holidays?
Mr. PONSONBY was of opinion that the East
India Company appeared in the character of de-
fendants, that they bad to maintain -a possession,
which it was proposed to take from them, and that
therefore they had a right to the mostfavourable and
patient hearing. He did not Meta to offer the least
Inclination of opinion on the qoesticin itself, but the
wishes of the Company ought to be attended to.—
Their evidence, he understood, would not last more
than five or six days longer i tad whatever might
be said about pleasure and relaxation during the ho-
lidays, he must be permitted to remind the House
that they had a duty, which its*, their first business
to attend to. " ns
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, it was true the East India Ct'ompany were I.eti-
tioners to that House; they vier* petitioners to have
the sovereignty of sixty millions of people continued
to them for twenty years longer, and to retain the
exclusive monopoly of the trade of Asia. He saw
not the slightest ground for resisting the motion fora ,
Select Committee, where every Gentleman would be
able to put any questions, and to cross-examine eri- I
dence in any manner he pleased.
Mr. C. GRANT, speaking on the authority of
the Directors of the East India Company, declared
that that body would think itself grievously injured
if the conclusion of the evidence on their behalf were
not heard at the Bar.
Lord CASTLEREAGH added, that his object
was to consult the convenience of all parties; nor '
did he think, that by the proposed arrangement the
Company would have any right to complain of seve-
rity. He could not admit, with Mr. Ponsonhy,
that the East India Company, or any other body. I
ought to dictate to Parliament the mode of its pre-'
reeding ; such a doctrine was most unconstitutional
and dangerous, since the House was the best judge of
the steps it would take with regard to the cases of.
persons who appeared Wm e it merely as petitioners
asking the favour to be heard by their witnesses.—
With regard to the Walcheren Expedition, it should
be recollected, that in as much as the party passions
of men were engaged in the enquiry, it was fit that
the examination of evidence should be as open and
public as possible, that the country might hive every
opportunity of deciding on a case where the heat of
factjoa would obstruct a fair decision within the
House. His Lordship contended, that if the object
of the Company was a full, fair, and deliberate in-
vestigation of their case, it would be attained much
more completely before a Weft ypmmittee than at
the Bar.
Mr. ASTELL opposed the motion,

maintaining

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the unfairness of smothering ihelz:temainder of the
petitioners? case, by sending iiligstairs.
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied, that nothing; was
further from his wish than to do injustice to any of
the parties.
Mr. PONSONBY denied very strenuously' that
he had asserted that the House was to be controuled
in its proceedings by the dictatex of the East India
Company. The Noble Lord, is truth, was the
author of all the inconvenience that had yet, and
would hereafter result ; for if the examination at the
bar was objecti9natile, he ought to have opposed it
in Undue.

Lord CASTLEREAGH rejoined, that he was
not aware originally that 2the testimony upon one
point only would be protraitid to such a length,
Mr. CANNING said, that 11.1 had 'regularly at-
tended the sittings of the Committee., with. a mind
perfectly open to conviction upon aU points bat anti:
be was certain from the comMencemeni that the
right of sovereignty ought not tO be taken from the
East India Company, after thebenefits that had re-
sulted front the exercise of their authority. He had
taken some pains, as the Representative of a great
commercial port, to collect the opinions of them,
most materially interested in opposing the Company:l
and he had ascertained that it was not their wish to
ba+ thei Bar the Ilor

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A division was called for,
were—
For Lard tastiererigh's Isotlos
Agaii.at it
Majority
On stranger, jeigr ,admitted
CASTLEREAGH o hii legs!'
tne Committee had comedto the
I done, that would be reported to
; House would agree or disagree
they thought proper. In the mean
be their business to peoeeetf with
witnesses, and to make as much
! was in their power.
Lieutenant-Coiotiei Monroe was
resume his ezaztinatioo. It was
confirmed by a long series of years,
private traders endeavoured to tr..
their transactions were productive
• serious disputes with the natives.-
' by his own personal experience,
those unhappy quarrels. He was a...
I state, that goods sent' from this coOntiiy, _
account, were sold by public sale ; that
carried them away into the interior ' • nisi: itnivln
most every case where they were eas-tied-try the'pri-
' vate traders themselves, ,the consequence* Sterelnin-
i rious and Owning. _•,
About nine o'clock the House resumed, einba aro-
tion was agreed to for referring the fartbee!emejnii-,,
tion of witnesses to I Select Committe. The qbes-
: tion having been put, " that a Select Colossi be
appointed for the purpose,"
I Lord CASTLEREAGH stated, that it wool be
• more convenient that the Committee should sit in
House to-morrow, and that then the Select
mittee should be appointed.
After some 'conversation about the regularity et
such a step, after the Resolution which had, been just
passed, the farther consideration of the question was'
postponed till to-morrow.
Mr.. CANNING presented a Petition. Prom the
Cotton Manufacturers of Liverpool, praying for
some prohibitory measures against the importation
of cotton from North America. He also 'presented
a similar Petition from the Merchants oflolverpool
engaged in the commerce with Brasil. finik,these
Petitions ere ordered'to lie on the 41)14, ale also
presented a Petition from the Ship-owners of Liver-
pool, to the same effect.
Mr. CANNING also presented a Petition from the
borough of Barnstaple, upon the Catholic Bill.
BOROUGH OF TREGONY.
Lord CLIVE, in consequence of the Report of
, the Committee appointed to try this Election, moved
I that Thomas Scrogin, burgess of Truro, had been
guilty of interfering to influence the return of tiro
Members for Tregony, by direct bribery, contrary
to the privileges of that House. He should then
move, " That the Attorney-General shOuld be di-
rected to prosecute him for the said offence."
The first Resolution was unanimously agreed to,
but, ou putting the second resolution,
Mr. ROSE suggested, that it would be the better
way to have him brought up to the Bar, in the first in-
stance, to offer what defence he might judge, proper,
and that the House might afterwards deal with him
as they should think fit. He doubted much whether
the evidence before the Committee would be sufficient
to obtain a conviction in a court of law.
The SPEAKER observed, that it was always cus-
tomary for the House to give so far credit to the Re-
port of its Committee as not to allow the person re-
ported against to come to their Bar to make a de-
fence, as if to a fresh charge. It was the custom,
either to commit the person to Newgate, or to the
custody of the Serjeant at Arms at once, if they in-
tended to take the matter into their own hands.
Mr. BANKES proposed, that This. Scrogin should
be committed to Newgate. •
Mr. WYNNE had no doubt but that the offence
committed was a misdemeanour, and that the evidence
would be fully sufficient to have him convicted of it
in a -Cowl of Law. His own letter, offering to pro-
cure thorsturn for a sum of money, was evidence of
a misdemeanour as complete as thetcassid

the Duke of Grafton, or the tin-man to Mr. Adding-
ton. He thought it would he better to leave it to
the Attorney-General to prosecute. • ..;
After some further conversation, on the suggestion
of Mr. BANKES, it was resolved " that he should be
committed to the custody of the Serjeant; at Arms."
Mr. PEEL moved for, and obtained leave to bring
in a Bill for the alteration of the Irish Militia Acts.
Theprincipal new clause that he mentioned., was,the
not granting for the future to the Colonels any al.
lowance for clothing, beyond what was necessary for
the effective'. Hitherto allowances had been made
on this account as if the - imen.tnwere complete., al-

regi,
though they were often deficient by 300 men.
• MG, RYDER moved, that the House -should be
catiett Over on tit, iph of May, which resolution
was agtreeirto:
Colonel BARRY thought it so necessary, to Ilipkwa
a full attendance on the measure to whicltithe tali so.
'erred (the catholic Bill), that -biped, no leave of
absence woulfl be granted to blemisben•unless on most
aerious and urgent grounds. .He thought that it
.would be well if no such motion should be made
without a'day's notice.
After a short conversation it appeared to be the sense
of the House that it would be the bettep.way, that
no motions for leave of absence upon that occasion
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.torts,
tpry smplasation.-41/0", .
Mr. FITZGERALD laid, hi; words had pro-
ceeded from an opinion that his statement was doubt-
ekby Ilse Hon. General: he could not retract them,
Was the Hon. General would withdraw the ex-
pecenerhAsh conveyed the otfensimileaning.
AE'LItREA.GiII and Sir R. PARNELL,
said a few words in conciliation.
General MATHEW staid, he intended a charge
on the Government of Ireland and he should not.
retract it. I
The SPEAKER said, it now became the duty of
the House to interfere, and insist that each Member
shouldgive his assurance of honour that nothing far-
ther should pass on this subject.
Mr. FITZGERALD said, that nothing had fallen
from him indicating a disposition to proceed out of
that House, or to appeal to any other tribunal.—lie.
s ready to retract what he had said if the Him.
floral would disavow any personal imputation of
hood or wrong motive. If such intention was
:n disavowed by the lion. General, even the high
dis Leasure of the House should not induce him to

le SPEAKER saittothet the rules of the House
peremptory. What began there must end thear.
ilia sure that neither Member would, because

neithele ought, to proceed further : he hoped the
Right Hon. Gentleman would set the honourable
examp4 of beginning to give his assurance to this
effect.
Mr. FITZGERALD said, he would be the more
ready to set the example, because he was sore that the
Speaker would advise nothing dishonourable.
Mr. PEELE entered into an explanation, to show
that the assertions of Mr. Fitzgerald proceeded on a,
supposed charge of falsehood from the Honourable
General.

General MATHEW expressed his displeasure at
the term dare, which had been used. He must, how-
ever, obey the roles of the Hpuse. His attack had
been directed against the GoVernment, not against
the Hon. Gentleman.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said be was sure his
Right Hon. Friend would withdraw an expression,
which it was now evident applied to an hypothetical
case.

Mr. FITZGERALD said he was ready to retract
it, and hoped, now matters were explained, that
what had passed would not be recollected in the
House, nor in private intercourse out of the House.
General MATHEW was perfectly satisfied, and
was glad to be so, because he was on terms of friend-
ship with the Right Hon. Gentleman.
The Report was then agreed to.
The other Orders were disposed of, and the House
adjourned at half-past one.

morning continued journey for Paris. His Ex-
cellency Count Ott., is also expected on his return
from Vienna to Paris.
FRAPIRFORT, APRIL 4.—We have just received
intellighce of a fresh advantage gained by the Prince
Viceroy of Italy. The 'Prussian troops were very
roughly handled in *this affair, the details of which
we are expecting.
PARIS APRIL 9.—Their Majesties left the Pa•
lace of Elysium in the night before last, for St.
Cloud.
STUTGARD, APRIL 3.—The passage of couriers has
be.. extremely frequent for some days ; five French

~...4Vlnety
couriers, and two Austrian, have proceeded through,
our town during the last three days.
FRANSFORT, Masco 28.—Besides the French
Amer, which do nottease passing though onr town
to jam the Grand Army, and *hose number it so
considerable, that 'the: not been, daring the first 15
days of this month, much under 40,000 men, all the,
first Corps of Observation on the Rhine, commanded
by the Ma shat Prince of Moskwa, and formed of
four divisions, consisting of 12,000 men each, has
for some time been assembled and cantoned for the
greater part in our Duchy, and the remainder in the
different districts of the Grand Duchy of Hesse, and
•
the Principality of Isemburgb.
The Ir. Li Guard, under the orders oT Marshal

Ave .r case examined at the .r should the _ ,use slipuld be made, except at the hour whin a full at. toperai . .. ,
think the mode too tedious. His reason for voting teudance of Members might be expected. !the Duke of Treviso, is in (emote in this town.—
for the motion 4 Lord Castlereagh was, that if it I Mr. RYDERmoved fur copies of the kastructions;This superb corps, which, on its arrival, was corn.
were not agreed to, the evidence Would delay the or Lectures, dogmatical and moral, dap** at May. I posed of seven regiments, daily augments, and willi
decision to so late a period 'of' the Session, that it : nooth College, iu 181.2. A long eomooation took i; quickly amount to 12,000 infantry, without recktm2.
could not be concluded, +tut! the interests of the place,
ichielly on the wording, of the motion,andita i log the artillery and cavalry of the same guard,
Company would be endangpie.d; .- lipeatickyllity ; after which it was ogses449. i which are cautonertio the deighbourhood. It is be.
Mr. TIERNEY observpd, that if other parties i Mr. tUSHINGTON then brought up the Report ; lieved, that the Or* Corps of Observation .90181
were to be allowed the choice of being heard before of the Committee of Supply: the Resolutions were • Rhine will immediately move in advance, to ma -e
a Select Committee, the Corryany ought not to he agreed to till the r rant of 10,5001. for Proclamations , room for the second corps, which is cantoned in the
deprived of its option of beit,g. heard before a Corn. was read. , . ; Duchy of Nassau and the left bank of the Rhine, and
mittee of the whole [louse. If two whole days were I Sir I. NEWPORT and General MATHEW op, : thus facilitate the debouching of fresh troops, which
applied to the subject before the holidays, the same posed the grant ; the latter of whom stated, as an ' incessantly arrive at Mayence.
time after the recess n mild, he believed, conclude the ingtance of the influence which Goverament used VIENNA, MAUR *7.-.-The greatest activity still
'hole subject on the put of the Pctitionel. lover the Irish Papers, that the Editor of the Von- rill%ni in the military prepars'imis. Many troops con.
Mi. CANNING explained. mel Herald, who formerly had the !benefit of the dime to march into Bohemia, to reinforce the Army
Mr. G. SMITH opposed the motion shortly, as t Proc,,latnations, while he adhered tot Oovereaseet, of -Observation already collected there under.the or.'
did also Mr. G KEN FELL. had, on account of his votiug fur him (General dpi of Field.bgarshal Kollowrath.
After a few words froni Lord CASTLEREAQII, Mathew) at the last Election, not only been de.. —
vtion was put. s , prived of this advantage, but had been puma for a flis Majesty's ship Portia is appointed to take the
PUSIIINGTON (the Chairman) declared debt which waidue, indeed, but forthe best next convoy from Sheerness to the Baltic, and will
which I
motion bad been carried. 1 fer.grity had been given...
...

last night, state; as a Certainty, th*t the ceinmaadaut
of the.gun-boats at Elsineur bad received orders not
to sun* British ships of war,, or merchant vessels
be 11010416 that nation. •
Ti. GOTTIGIBURGII, APRIL 3.—The Ca4sham convoyt
is still a Malmo.
- The'Dephne frigate, with a fleet of transports,
.bas arrirthat Marstrand from England. It is not
positively 'town whether the Crown Prince has left
Stockholm.
Admiral Hopetarrived on the 31st ult. in the De-
fiance,' Capt. Repot, with the Princess Caroline,
Orion, and Meteor lambs.
lEthniral Morris is haprly expected from the Sound,
witt.3so sail under his convoy from Carlscrona.
.1' Peterlbargb, March 1.
REPORT FROM GENERAL BARON WINEINGERODE TO
MARSHAL PRINCE AUTUSOFP DE smorxxsa, DATED
, Tie. 141.1813.
" I have the honour to inform your Excellency,
that yesterday I came up with General Regnier, near
411101, with the corps entrusted-to me. The enemy's
corps directed its movements 'towards the town, to
form a junction with three or four thousand Poles,
who bad fifteen pieces of artillery, and was at the
same instant attacked with that rapidity which cha-
racterize the Russian soldier. The consequences of
this attack have added fresh laurels to his Imperial
Majesty's victorious arms, more particularly as the
enemy's infantry, superior in' number, defended
themselves with courage and obstinacy,.
46 Two Saxon flags, which I lay at the feet of his
Imperial Majesty, seven cannons, the Saxon General
Norlez, three Colonels, 36 Officers, and more than
2000 soldiers, are the trophies of this victory...T-
-IMy,advancid-guard is ip pursuit of the enemy, who
it retirlui upon Ritsohkoiro and Ostrowo. I find
myself necessitated to give one or two days repose to
the infantry, whO have made fenced march.., for
I four following days. The enemy having furiously
! defended himself till nine at night, necessarily oc-
casioned us loss ; ours amounts to from five to six
hundred men killed or wounded; that of the enemy
was much greater.
. " 4 I shall shortly have the happiness of presenting
a detailed report of this affair, as well as a list of
they who rendered themselves worthy of being re-
, commended by your Excellency to his Imperial Ma-
jesty's protection.
FREM.II PAPERS " In the mean time I must give themost warm en-
-ow— logiums to all the Chiefs and troops who fought under
STRASBURG, APRIL s.—His Excellency Marshal
ORDER OF THE. DAY
' my orders."
PrinceSchwartzenberg the day before yesterday pass. j
ed the Rhine it IVilt,': slept here, and . ye_stercray"" allE PRUSSIAN CORPS UNDER THE COMMAND or
his - --

LIWTENANT-GENERAL D YORK.
" His Prussian Majesty has been pleased to unite
the troops under the command of Lieutenant-Gene-
ral D'York, with my corps. The command of such
distinguished warriors is to me in every respect flat-
tering, honourable, and a pledge for the success of
the good cause for which I have drawn my sword.
" For fifty years our two nations were friends: a
disturbed interval of a few months, produced by the
force of circumstances, bas only tended to render
the friendly sentiments of our exalted Sovereigns
limated. Id to draw closer the bond of union

more an ~ am
between our two nations. We are now united by
one, by only one common high interest, by the con-
, test In behalf of liberty and virtue, against the enemy
off the independence of all nations.
" What you, brave Prussians, have achieved
against us, from mere sense of duty, contrary to
your better conviction, the history of the last cam-
paign will show. You must be invincible now your
anty retptires you to fight for the independence of
your copntry, for that of your King, and for your
own honour.
" Noble Prussian Warriors ! Let us with brotherly

love and concord labour for the greatest object low
which armies ever united. Ours is the rare felicity
th serve t►ro Princes who only draw the sword for
the independence of their nations and the delivery of
Europe. 'Without any personal views, let us ac.
vire laurels in common, and we shall be rewarded
by the gratitude of delivered nations.
" Count WITTOENSTEIN."
" 11nd-quarters, Berlin, Miirch (6) 18, 1813."

AMSTERDAM', MARCH 4.—A conspiracy WI lately
discovered here, which had in contemplation to over-
throw the Government.
A pensioner, Capt. Mass, had for this purpnoLc
associated himself with a certain Thomas de Jaw.,
and drew the Warden Valentyn, Brigadier lhle,
Merchant Verschur, and Surgeon Lemon into his
plan, a servant of the name of Faflee was likewise
suspected of being concerned in the plot.

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ears, 'that Whenever 1-without_tkll_ALAt'Lat thit House.. ---..m.:
trade for thentselles. , 1 tondll -AREAGH interposed, saying,•tnat . ... -..
lye or aoistam . aid the expreamatt! of. so. Right Hof.: Friend, though this morning, by which we have received the follow.
mo.• He bad known : *Oft nadiedignatitt-trere aimed* a sum:lo4d is. log intelligence.—The Cadiz Papers are not of so
,ihijoy,..loatalkoa acputittiOn pit open him Pliridnally I they applied to a recent a":date bi nine days, as those received on Si-
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