The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-03-22 00:00:00

end 1823, respecting the more exact venation and col-
ic, +ion of the revenue arising therefrom.
Mr. HUME gave notice, that he would present a'
petition to-morrow, from the inhabitants of. Cape Breton.
Mr. B. COOPER eesented a petition from the pro-
rrietors and occupiers of collieries in the Forest of
Penn, complaining that they were liable to Coal Du-
ties from ishick °theta werwixempt, atid praying fog.
relief.
Mr. RICARDO said, theti it was extremely sniped
shit these collieries should- We-enbjeeted to restrithtstii
from which others were exempt, and which prevented then
proprietors from being able to enter into a fair compedet
tion with the proprietors of other colleries. He did nob.
see why some should be entitled to a favour which Urn
not extended to all, and hoped that Ministers would
some measure which would put all collieries upon ett
terms.
Mr. HUME was anxious to call the attention of.
Nouse to this subject. Having been in Dam Wee
time since, he made it his business to exansitie sad sea
how the colleries in that neighbourhood were;,circume
staneed, when he found that the coal of Chepstow wes'i
exempt front Sea Coal Doty, while the coals of the Fo-
rest of Dean, though eight miles higher up the river paid
it. This was peculiarly hard upon the proprietor, of the
collieries of the Forest of Dean, who were thereby unable
to enter into a competition with the proprietors of the
collieries of Chepstow. By the exemption from the
duty during the late war, Chepstow saved forty Shone
sand a-year, sending 400 tons of coals daily to the Haslet
market. He •hoped that Ministers would do Instice to
the proprietors of the collieries of the I, west of
Dean, and place them bpon canal terms with those of
Chepstow.
Lord (1. SOMERSET said, that when the =Wok,
came before Parliament, be was ready to give it every at-
tention.
The petition was ordered to be printed. ~
Mr. .l ERVOISE presented a petition from the horoda h
of Portsmouth, complaining of the existing
laws between,
debtor and creditor, and praying for an *lteration in•thetat
—Ordered to he printed. • •
Sir R. WILSON brought in the Southwark. Market,
Bill, which was read a first time. The liou-Mernher MO
resented a petition from the Borough of Soutliwark,i
praying for au auseadmeat in the Insolvent Debtors'
Act. . ,‘
Mr. HOBHOUSE istid• that he felt it his duty to els
amine the expenses of the present insolvent Court, m
compared with those of a former period, and he found
the difference so great as to call for some alteration in the
cotnposition of that Court. In 1817 and
the 1818, when
pr.sided over by Sergeant Ruunington, amount
the salaries and fees of the Commissioners and other offs-,
c, rs of the Court was 9,9311.1 and in the present
Court, within one year and a half, the amount was,
20,6001. The money paid into Court for one year, wbila
under Se w. east Runntngton, amounted to 6,0001; and
now the money paid in for one year and a half amounted
to 6,3001. Thus, by the composition of the present
Court, its expenses were three times greater thars.those
of ,the old Court, while the money received now was one
third less. Said) a state of things proved the necessity of.
remodaling the Court.
The petition was laid on the table and ordered to b
printed.
Sir ROBERT WILSON moved for Redone of the
Aniount of Land Tax paid in the Borough of South-
wirk, distinguishing the charge *lion each parish. and
the total amount as sate the Commissioaers, from
1819 up to the present period. The Hon. Member also
moved for Returns of the Number of Persons imprisoned
under the Decision of the Court of Ruests of the Bo-
rough of Southwark, together with the aggregate
Amount of their Debts from 1819 up to the present
period.—Agreed to.
COURT 07 melon 114 SCOTLAND.
Sir R. FEROUSSON presented a petition from the
lncortorated Weavers of Leith, complaining of the ells-
duct of the Court of Session in the case of John Hay,
I be lien. Member stated that the petition was of consi-
derable importance, as it referred to the administration
of jnetice by the Judges of the Court of Session in Scot-
land; yet he would not enter into the particular' of The
case at present. He would await the opportunity when
a petition would be presented from the aggrieved indi-
vidual, and he hoped that the Haase would then patient-
ly investigate the matter.
The LORD ADVOCATE said, that when OW °Awe
petition should come before the House, be would be pre,
p tred to justify the conduct of the Court of' &sewn
M.! would merely say that it was not the first time Mr.
Hay's cr.nduct had been discussed, and he belieepdit
was not such as to entitle him to much indtilgenee. ". '
Mr. 110 BIIOUSE said that inquiry was necessary.' It
was perfectly immaterial what was the conduct of Me.
lil ty ;it had little to do with the subject. They were to
examine the conduct of the Judges, whether it bad beet
such as i ought to be in the adtmnistratioa of justice.
I t was now necessary to enter fully into the subject, but
he thanght the individual had some reason to complain,
and partienlarly of the conduct of the Lord President
Hope, who advised the prosecution, and was examined
as a witness in the precognition, thus at once acting in
the character of prosecutor, witness, and judge.
Mr. HUME said that be rose for the purpose of eau-
tioning the House against the loose charge glade against
?sir. Hay by the Lord Advocate. He was sore that if the
Lord Advocate himself went for certificates of character
to Scotland, be could not procure better than those be
held in his head of the character of Mr. Hay. He bad
one from the Ministers of Leith, another signed by fifteen
merchan's of that town, and another signed by twenty.
five respectable inhabitants of Edit:burgh, to whom Mr.
Hay was intimately knotn, all bearing testimooy to his
respectability and his upright and moral charomeacter.
Depart
was surprised that the Secretary for the Hment had not interfered, when the hardships of this indi-
vidual were made knows to him. Wed to shhen theow subject
came before the House he was prepar h
justice bad been denied to this individual during a space
of no less than fifteen years, a circumstance which relltht-
ed great discredit on the Bench of Scotland.
The LORD ADVOCATE deprecated discussion on
the character of Mr. Hay, without notice. He made nit.'
r .ference to the moral character of Mr. Ha
say. He only'
alluded to the state of his mind, which was ck as made
him first quarrel with his own agents, and then write'
libellous letters to the Jiadges, which It was quite impos-
eblo tiley could overlook.
•Sir R. FEROUSSON explained.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said that the lion. Member for,
Aberdeen complained of his not interfering, but surely]
the lion. Oentlentao mutt be aware that the Judges or
Scotland had as much right as any other Judges to be
protected in. the exercise of their duty. His interference"
at that time, so far from forwarding the impartial admi-
nistration of justice. would impede it. He was not dis-
posed to enter further upon the subject, till the petition
of the individual came before the House. He would
merely state that be saw grounds for criminating the
Court of Scotland.
The petition was 'laid on the table, and ordered to be
print
Sir ed.
M. RIDLEY presented a petition from the Mer-
chants interested in the West India Trade, praying for
tellet—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. HOBHOUSE gave notice of a motion for the
total repeal of the Window Tax (we believe) for the 11th
of May.
WARRNOUSINO I'LL.
On Mr. WALLACE moving the Order of the Day for
the House resolving itself into a Committee of the whole
House on the Warehousing Bill,

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Mr. ROBERTSON said, that as faros be tout.
taiii, there was.not ' one. exception to the ghneras
,ciple of the Bill, boa he was conviatEd that' the mi.
*levy with which it was encumbered only destroyed iv
t; Arryite for the purpose of, drawing the attentions
'of the house to this point. The object of the Bill was'
' to allow foreign manufaiturro and. produce to come •lin,
dto go.-out of the warehouses with the greatest pot
sibie facility ; but the unnecadary centioo used for the
purpose-of securing the revenue would entirely destroy
ell the adva nta ges resuliieg from. that facility. o so-4,
tisfied with calling on the exporters of the goodNs,t the !
eeptains of the vessels, and the other parties concerned,
th enter into bonds in ourown port with respect to the
destination of the goods, the, framers of the Bill called on
the other nations of the world to protect our revenue ; by'
requiriagabat. proof should •he subsequently given that
the goods were actually landed at the port for which
market originally destined. . Now it might happen that
th of the latter port was glutted, and that with-
out breaking bulk at all, it Alight be adeantageons to the
vessel to proceed to some other port, probably
his no
Bill
t far
off; but from that advantage
the would be by t
precluded. All this would he attended with infinite vex-
atious • and he would therefore..advise the removal
this and a great deal of other complicated machinery,
and the substitution of a more simple protest. With
respect to the general principle of the 11111. e was deeply
impressedwith its importance, he wirbed it to be univer
tht
-
sally applied to out minamsto ; and be was desirous a
the present Bill shmidtillt ewe be rendered as complete
as possible. •,. ?.• ,s G -,.-
Mr. 11R1011Trhoposi that the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman -would postpone the measure till after them-
cess; that,all itholia who vrotei. intereste in it might have
as opportunity of slayiagt•tbeir• objecd tious before the.
Hoppe.. ‘. ~ ~ .J..i:!..0i i
Mr. WALLAS mid eats** Bill had already b.
pristed.fire• time" add ample tins givonSor the Meek..
&ration of it.: .1 •-•• •• ' •••:,,-, '. `•,• .
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Mr. S. WORTLEY said, that OW. prase
441:
been • rioted ;only withia: the list :fete days.
'Aside
alight iss hove an opportinity of seeing it as it was Ilt
fransed,bafore it was reload through edits stages. The-
• merchants of-Leeds, *hi Were hits:totted is the woolka
massfacture, bad celled's/meeting on the subject, -sod it.
was his wish that as exceptioti .should be made in their
furrier. He United, that the, Right How :Goodson,
would allow some farther. delay,. and that the Bill might
now he pose into die-Comreitteeprofinket... Otherwise
be (Mr. Wortley). should • feel it his duty to divide the.
House apes the question. . .': e - -A i ...••• i• •
The CH ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER oyived.
that the Hon. Mentboi hodiargued vUy ProPerlY, no ow
the represeutatitia of the. ft;iinty of York; but he desk
'rather hardly witblbis Right Hon..Frisad (Mr, Wallace).
1•n wisbing.him to postpone the present • 'toe sore. The
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ill was nearly the tams as that of, last year, the Daly
difference was a chose in favour of •-silk sad linen geode,
to whieb the Hon. Member desired to add woollens. It
crass competent to bins, however, to do so in a Committee,
or as the Biil was not now to be pressed to a third read-
ing, he might do it in• that stage. Be saw no ground o
s
for calling on the House to go into a Committee pr
forma,. as this was as proper a time as maid be selected
for going substantially into it.. .
Mr. IC. DOUGLAS had thatiday aty opportunity of
seereploing.the present state of the woollen manufactore.
fie did not see that any apprehensions need be eotertaio-
on the art of the coostimt
of woollens
of the Hon. Member for
,ed York. The annual amoun exported was
.7,0800001,, 2,000,0001. worth of which were sent to Ame-
rica, where competition was open; 1,200,0001. worth to
the East-Indies, where the market sviis alio open. it
quite certaio that a more .neeesssey measure than
his, could uot possibly have been introdased.
Mr. BENWFT (of grltobire) professed himself is
favour of the bill, bat wished for farther delay. • •
• Mr. MARitYAT svpported the Bill.
;landt referred en-
tirely to foreign goods to be warehoused
not a country in Europe that bad not derived advastage
from having established & similar system with respectal-
to
.British goods. Hence the . foreign merchants were
ibis& to supply *the .foreign market with British goods
better than .we could. .
Mr. T.' WILSON sald that silk was excepted in con-.
sequence of the high duties, and linen id consequeocus of
the distraseed etate of Ireland: I p his opinion, woollens
might oho to be excepted, for considering the heavy du-
e upon it, it was usfair to put the woollen trade•upon
*some footing with any other. French cloth sent to
fit Does ego Yielded a profit, while English cdoth sent to
'taw same rote sold at a loss. It was his intention to
Iwo ' that tbe-Word '"woollen" should stand after the
Wilosl.wlintirliveheililL • - • * • •
_ti OHILLIPH.'esid that silleand linen *ire excepted
Vi " sly esi-stingpie)odires ; for, upon a general smite,
lit Would be better that there should to no exceptions at
ali. He bad made sonic Inquiries as to the state of the
Woollen trade, and found it Was going oo with progressive
improvement. Tie WAS quite satisfied that the
the come
now under coosideration woUltl greatly benefit
coerce of the country. '''''' •
Mr. D. BROWNS, in the absence of any other Irish
Member snore competent than himself, wished to say a
word or two upon this subject. He bad never beard of
any Irish Member who did not assert that the repeal of
the transit duty would be prejudicial to the linen trade
of Ireland. He would certainly divide the House, if
time Were not allowed to the Irish Members to consider
the effect of the measure anon the linen trade.
' ' Mr. ORATTAN said, that the people of Ireland were
not aware that the question was to come on.so soon. He
thought if a fortnight's time were allowed, thi Irish
Members would be in their phices to discuss its Merits.
Sir H. PARNELL entertained a similar opinion w
ith
ith
most of the Hon. Members else had preceded him.
law as it now stood wee highly injurious to trade,
and he anticipated the best effects
.frem the paseing of
the Bill.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT tail, he hid been once an ad-
vocate fir Abe Hoeft duty, but 'bad since' altered his
opinion, upon a more clots-examination of the sac eat.
lie was now convinced that' leelind untold bebe bettered benefitted
by the linen trade bei'of them dit open, and
that the same opinion rivalled to a great extent in the
Fforth of Ireland.
, 1 Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, that •as tielaim bad. been
in, in favour of one elan of versant,. be might avail
himself of the same right, and urge the glairobf others
!it he did sot ionsider that this measure did oat Comma-
tteigny particular class, but the community at large. •
were few measures of a general nature by which
seine patticuler interest Might not be injured, but if for
the public good, they ought not to be abandoned: Al-
though on the third reading he meant to proposes clause
in favour of the glass trade, yet be should not-on that
account oppose the motion, folhirthought the sooner
the House went into a Committee.- tbebetter. ••• • "
Mr. RICARDO was glad to beirThe sentimentt width '
had been expressed by tbe Hon. Member who had just
sat down. He: thought that the thanks of the House
were due to the Right Hon. Gentlensan(Mr. Wallace) for
the perseverance with which he had pressed the 'Bill
against all the opposition he had met with.
Mr. HUMS complained of the beery duties inipnsid
ny the Levant Company, as prejudicial to our trade with
Turkey. In his opinion there ought to be no exceptions
in the Bill.
Mr. PORCHER wished that the further consideration
of the Bill should' be postponed for a considerable
time.
The House H 01,40611 upon the quesdon for going
into the compidalete. .1 *At
S 2 ;!--Noes B;—Majority 74.
Oa returning iiiiiitlallery we found the douse in
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conaittegi'So the Bill ; several clgus-s were put and
el te.witlsPat observation.
, thrtheitlataie empowering the Lords of the Treasury,
by their warrant, to select ports and warehouses for ware-
boushig aniixecuring goods in general, or any particular
goods or artielet,
Mr. ROBERTSON objected that the exercise of such
a Power, io- addition. to that belonging to the Commis-
sionera of Customs, and Evise, for the selection of parti-
cular warehousee, voila be productive of confusion and
inconvenienee. . • ...
Mr. WALLACE contended, that in the case of certain
description of goods, and under special circumstances,
the clause was ne-rssary for particular security.
Mr. GLA DSTONE expressed a similar opinion.
After a few words from Mr. IL•DOUGLAS and Mr.
PHILLIPS, the clause was agreed `es; '
After some discussion, Mr. S. Wortley's Amendment, I
that Woollens as well as Silks and Linens should be ex-
empted from the operation of the Bill, was negativ.d
without a division.
The remaining chinas of the Bill then went through
the Committee and were agreed to, after which the House
resumed. The Report was ordered to be received on
M onda next.
Lordy John Russel's name was added to the Committee
(we believe) on the Game Laws.
- ' BEIM DUTIES ACTS.
On the Houie going. Into a Committee on the Beer Du-
ties Acts,
t The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said lie
did not intend at so late an hour, to go at length into the
details of the subject which he had to submit to s
the
op Coro.
m-
-1 Witte. The course lie would now pursue wa t
pose certain Resolutiots for the adoption of the Commit-
tee. If they were agreed to, he should afterwards bring
in a Bill of accordance with them, and have it read a first
time and printed, in order that the House and the coun-
try should have an opportunity of considering its provi-
elons previous to the general discasHons of the measure
After the recess. The main object of the Bill was to af•
ford the poorer sissies an improved sort of beer, at a ,
Cheaper rate than , they now paid for, It,
said by
that mum to add, to their comfort, while the
consequent increase in the consumption of beer and
malt would contribute to benefit the agricultural and
other interests of the State. At present therewere two citi-
fies payable on twosorts ef bee r ; the one was a duty of 10a.
per barrel on strong beer, and the other a duty of per
'barrel on table beer. Formerly there wits also an intermedi-
ate duty on an article of intermediate qnality, but this c as
uo longer the case, It was found. that as the strength of
the beer approaChed to that which paid the higher duty,
facilities were afforded for evading the Excise regulations
and defrauding the Revenue. Any one, too, having beer 1
which paid 2s. per barrel, aad likewise that which paid
10s., might mix the two, and sell them mixed, by which
the Revenue also lost considerably. At the same time,
as the law now stood, the quality.which paid 2s. sold for
183. a barrel, and was of a very Inferior description, so
that the poor man had at present no means of supplying
himself with a good beverage, except by purchasing the
beer which paid the high duty, at a higher price. He
therefore thought it would be advisable to racer to an in-
termediate duty, if it could be done, under such regula-
tions as would protect the Revenue. It was, however.)
necessary to prescribe some price at which this interme-
diate article should be sold; otherwise the brewer of ale
aad strong beer might suffers severe loss, for the manu-
•
facturer of the inferior beer might bring it up nearly
to the standard of the other, and sell it subject to a low
duty. lie therefore wished to apply to the brewer of the
istermediate beer the same limitation of price as the
ether brewers :sere subject to. Another restriction which
he intended to apply to this description of beer was, that it
should not be drank on the premises where it woe made.
The clause he proposed was, that it should be competent
to any person to brew beer not exceeding 275. per barrel
Ip-price, and paylog a duty of ss. per barrel, and to sell
it by wholesale or retail to any person, but not for con-
sumption on the brewer's own premises. This regula-
tion was partly with a view to obvious principles of po-
lice, and also not to put an end to the trade of licensed
public houses. If the brewer of this beer were allowed
bo sell it himself, it would give him an undue advantage
over the licensed, seller, without his being liable to the
supervision and inspection of the Police like Ohs latter.
Of the intermediate beer be proposed tl.at 5 or 5e barrels
of it, of 36 gallons each, should be made fro an qua m a quartot
er
of malt, and that it should be sold in any qy n
persons nine gallons, at Md. per
togsallon. By this means,
pe who were now obliged y a very high price
for good beer could be able to procure it cheaper, and he
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) flattered himself, with
considerable advantage to the grower of barley, and with-
out injury to the proprietors of public houses. With re-
speet to the latter class of persons, he must say. that when
the various modes of taxation resorted to within
the last 20 years, which led to particular applica-
tions of capital, were considered, a sudden change
might materially injure them. He was as much against
direct or indirect monopoly as any man, yet he thought
the interests of the publicans, who bad invested large
properties In their trade, should be candidly, if not-li-
berally, considered by the Legislature ; and that they
should not be thrown overboard in endeavouring to be-
nefit other parts of the community. The Right Hon.
Gentleman, after repeating that he wished the present
subject to receive the fullest consideration, concluded by
merit% the first Resolution. He declared it to be the
opinion of the Committee, that it was advisable to sanc-
tion the manufacture of beer at the rate of five barrels,
or not upwards of five barrels and a half, from one
quar-
36oallons, f malt, a
duty and un every barrel which, containing
grof ss. should be pof
aid.
Alderman WOOD, on behalf of the Publicans within
flag City of London, who were his constituents, and 2,000
to Mosher. objected to the measure, because it did not
Vika them to sell this beer as well as other people.
',__.‘ 11116. R. COLBURNE wishhe Ced knowor from the Right
Honourable Gentleman (hto ancell of the Excise-
olio!), whether the present brewers might manufacture
die new description of beer; also, whether it might be
sold by refreshment houses paying a small duty ?
The CHANCELLOR of tue EXCHEQUER said it
a
s not intended to prohibit existing brewers from mak-
g this beer, but not on the same premises as the other
beer; With respect to the refreshment houses, not
knowing what places came under that denomination, he
could not reply to the Hen. Member.
, Me. BUXTON said
offstha the Bill would do serious
damage to a large body ublicans, but at the seine
' time it was so much the wish of the country, the agri-
iculturalists, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer to
',adopt it, that he thought the most advisable way was for
the Brewers and Publicans to yield with the best grace
they could.
After a few more observations from Mr. Buxton*,,
Mr. W. Williams, Mr. F. Palmer, and Mr. A Ideilaa
Bridges, the first Resolution was put and carried.
The other two Resolutions respecting the Licensing
of the Brewers and Retailers of this Beer were also
put and carried.
The House then resumed, and the other Orders of
the Day were disposed of. —Adjourned at half-past
twelve o'clock.
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To the honour of the Profession, and highly to the ere•
dit of the character of the individual, Mr. Kemble has
left netrly2o,oool. stetting funded property behind him,
besides the enmity of 1,0001. per annum during the life
of Mrs: [(entitle. After this Lady's death. three•fourths
of the funde prort devolve to Charles Kemb. The
remainder isd left aty the entire disposal of the widow,
who, we understand, is on her return to England.

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