The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-05-08 00:00:00

etitutiona Britons ; pod be could sot sow some for-
ward to prevent that which bad hoes gaaranteed by
the Act of I;nion.
Mr. DENNIS BROWNE fully concurred in what
bad fallen from his Honourable Friend who spoke last.
The opinion of the greatest lawyers, both of Ireland
and England, been declared in favour of the right
of importing ey upon the legal interpretation of
the Act.
Mr. W. SMITH said, that the present was sot the
time when the meaning of the Act ought to be Ab
cussed, and he would only observe that be those.*
theilon. Members were loth wrong.
The Petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr. HARE presented a Petition from the t:
aers of the Comity of Cork, against the Act parsi
last Session fOr regulating the office of Coronet is
Ireland.
After a few words from Mrs C. HoTcattssox and
Mr. Detests Baowxr, the Petition was ordered to be
printed.
The Marquess of TAV I STOCK presented a Petition
from the County of Bedford, relating to the state of
the Criminal Laws.
Mr. H. CLIVE presented Returns of the number of
Persons convicted of Blasphemy and Sedition in Ire-
land, within a given period.
Sir R. WILSON presented a Petition from persons
employed in the various branches of the leather Trade,
complaining of the introduction of Machinery is that
trade, to the great injury of the laboater, while it
enhanced the profits of the master. The Hon. Mem-
ber said that lie had presented similar Petitions upsa
former occasions, and he thought the question con-
nected with them for the consideration of his Ma-
jesty's Ministers and the House was, whether the ex-
tended use of Machinery was nut likely to over-
whelm the country with one of the greatest evils that
timid befal it, namely, too great an excess of port-
lotion.
Mr. W. SMITH conceived the prejudices against
the use of machinery to be founded upon ideas of the
greatest absurdity. If once the legislature should be
unfortunately induced to interfere with the introdee-
tion of machinery, they would not know where to stop
until man went back to the state in which he was first
born. If machinery was not to be used, the weaver
would be at once driven from his employment ; for
the loom was as much a machine as the most com-
plicated cotton-still that ever was erected. They must
go further ; they unu.t prohibit the use of the plough.
That machine performed the work of forty men, or
even more than that. In fact, they mast destroy the
hammer with which the table of the How was made,
and altogether reduce man to his primitive state ; for
machinery was used in every article, eves of food and
cletbieg.
Sir R. 1141.90,161 t it Ms ditty to present the Pe-
tition. and to give it the best support he could ; but
at the same time, he wished the truth to be elicited,
and he was of opinion that the observations of the
Honourable Member might be productive of great

good.
Colonel DAVIES gave notice of emotion for Thurs-
day, the 117th inst. for a Committee to inquire iuto the
Abuses in the Sales of Trefoil and Clover.
Mr. R. MARTIN moved the postponement of the
further consideration of the Report upon the Irish Co-
roner's Bill until to-morrow.—Agreed to.
r. COUR I'ENAY gave entice of a motion for
the 22d instant, relative to the Claims, of Ausetic,n
Loyalists.
ARE %CH OF PRIVILEG
Mr. G. BENNEF gave notice, that he should
to-morrow evening bring before the Hanle a libel.
which he considered to be • breach of its privileces,
contained in a Sunday Paper calling itself, " John

Boil."

STEAM ENGINES BILL.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR moved the order of the day
for the House going into a Committee upon the Steam

Engines Bill.
Mr. LITTLETON, after remarking upon the in-
convenience which the operation of the Bill would
create to large iron founderies and other establish-
meats of an extensive nature, in compelling them to
employ the required apparatus it sa short a notice,
suggested the propriety of postponing it to another
year. If the Hon. Member refused to accede to his
propo‘al, be gave notice that he should move a clause
in the Committee for exempting such manufactories as
those to which he had alluded from the operation of

the Bill.
Mr. J. SMITH was surprised at the objections
trhich bad been made by his Hon. Friend, if he would
allow bias to call him so, when he heard that they
were confined to the operation of ti.e Bill upon the
rich classes alone. At the same time he seemed to
forget the injury which the poorer classes suffered
from the existence of steam engines in their plesent
Male. He could names class of poor per-ons in Lon-
don who so suffered ; he meant the humble class who
got their livelihood by washing. Ifs steam engine
was at present established in the neighbourhood of
the residence of one of these poor people, their °cell-
patios was destroyed altogether.
Mr. CALVER I' supported the Bill. He himself
had a steam engine, and the smoke consumer had
been applied to it with the greatest good effect. He
could himself, by just turning it, destroy a large
lame of of smoke in one minute. A printed paper had
been put into his hands at the door, which, as it was
calculated to mislead, he felt bound to maim. The
paper stated that the apparatus employed at the steam
engines of Messrs. Barclay and Co. had entirely
failed. It was true that at one time the apparatusdid
not act with effect ; but be had seen a letter from Mr.
Perkins, stating that they had discovered that the
cause of failure ori,:inated in the misconduct of a ser-
vant, who, actuated by malicious, or some other mo-
tive% unknown, had purposely counteracted the ia-
tended effect.
Mr. D. tiILBERT thought nothing move likely to,
prove fallacious than the opinions founded upon exp.-
.intent. of this nature. It most be known to the
II use that cambers of families were supported iu se-

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viral parts sit the Country wpm erieablkitmenti eat-
ducted by meson engines; and he thought the Hosts
should passe before they passed a BM, which, by tra-
mparegiag vezatleas.proesedings, would have a WS-
deity to weaken theme establishments. lf, liworsiet.
the Hos. Mover timid introduce a clanie for exempt-
ing the mining and large manafachariag diattlets freak
the operation of the Bill, be shield not oppose the
motion for the House Dow going into' a Committee.
Mr. F. BUXTON opposed the Bill. Ms deelarei
that, in his own case, he found it impossible to cam
tl e proposed enactment into effect. The Mos. Member
I lid, he thought, at all events, time shield be given foe
considering the subject more tally, and, with that
view he moved as an amendment, that the 111111116
should go into a Committee that day six mouths.
Colonel WOOD said, he bad rectieed Wend Milk
inculcations from the county he had the honour to re-
present, easing that the Bill could not be carried Ws,
effect without occasioning a very serious estrum to
individuals. He trusted the lion. Mover would con-
sent to postpone the measure.
Mr. MABERLY trusted the Hon.. Mover wont&
postpone the consideratioo of the Bill, as in its presett
shape, It went to compel the trying of experiments.
The courts of law would have to try the merit of every
experiment suggested by every projector. He thoegbt
the lion. Mover was bouud to shew that the Bill could
be carried into effect.
Mr. CU It WEN supported the Bill. He was e: u-
vinceil from the experiments he had made, that the
proposed alteration wonld cause an ultimate min.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR in reply said, he was content
to leave the whole question to the Monte, satisfied as
he was, that if the present law upon the subject were
distinctly understood, the Will ovoid he supported. Ile
did not introduce any new 13V:, but merely promoted
the operation of the old, As the low now stood every
proprietor of a steam engine could be prosecitted if
the working of it tended to injure the health, the
iiropely, or the convenience of any individual. The
Bill enabled the Courts in cases where a jury ha
decided the qnestion of nuisance, but in no other
case, to order the defendant to make a compensati,u
to the prosecutor. With respect to any proposed r•
emption, he saw no reason for confining the Bill to
the Metropolis sod to great towns. The evil wAs
general, and the remedy should be correspondent wits
it. The different letters he had received on the sub-
ject, would take three hours in the reading, but as the
House must be perfectly aware of the evil, he should
not trespass on their patience by reading any of these
letters. He had only to observe, that when be had
first introduced the Bill, lie feet with general support;
but now as it was found particular istereme mere
likely to be affected, he was encoaatered by every kind
of opposition.
Oeseral OttSCOTNE, In bppeeition to the Bill,
read a letter from the propeliton of a large establish-
ment at Liverpool, stating that the new plan increased
not only the smoke, but the quantity of requisite fuel.
Mr. PHILLIPS said, that as such difference of opi-
nion existed on the subject, a delay would be advise-
able, especially as it did not appear that any matetial
inconvenience would arise from it. It was generally
thought that some new principle had been discovered,
but this was not the case. Mr. Watt obtained a patent
in the year 1753, for the consumption of smoke, aid
even his plan had been in practice before. If, how-
ever, the Bill should pass, lie saw no reason for making
its application merely local.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY here suggested
a postponement of the debate, as it was necessary the
House should go into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. TAYLOR was disposed to acquiesce in the
suggestion: but the sense of the House appeared to he
in favour of proreeding with the discussion.
Mr. BUXTON declared he should divide the House,
as there appeared a wish to make this Bill press chiefly
upon the Metropolis.
After a few words from Mr. CALTRAT and Mr.
Br arosi,
Mr. MARY ATT spoke in favour of the Bill. Ho
refrred to a large manufactory at Whitechapel, in
wheich the proposed alteration had been adopted with

success.
Mr. Alderman WOOD rose amid general cries of
Question!" He trusted the Hon. Mover would con•
sent to except mining districts from the operation -.11.
the Hill. He admitted that he had seen a nsanntartory,
in which the new Plan bad been adopted with erect.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared--
For the origteal motion ---
Fur Mr. Buxton's ameadment • 59
Majority —M
The House then went into a Committee, proftrwati,
anti i ------ eiliately resumed. The Report was ordered
to b. received to-morrow, and the discussion upon the
third reading w:s fixed for Thursday.
THE CONTINENT.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY, in rising to
move the Order of the Day for going into a Com-
mittee of Supply, begged to recur to a question which
had been pat to him a few slays since from the other
aide of the House, and to which be then bad thought
it necessary to give an argumentative ammo% Ile
bad now distinctly to state, that is ennesspiesesof the
change of circumstances is Piedmont he had boon
given to understand that the Russian army would not
pass the frontiers of its own country. He must here
express his regret that Hon. Members, when they were
perfectly unacquainted with the real &cis, wools' get
up in their places and charge those great personages.
in whose hands the destiny of a great part of Serape
was placed. with acts of aggraentent. or witb
motives having aggrandizement in view. He bad be.
fore disclaimed all knowledge or belief of any con-
templated aggrandisement and he had no reasna
believe that either of the illasttisses personages in
question had been actuated is their cosithiet by say
selfish motive *balms% He was; indeed, esableil
to
state the circumstances osier sobieb their smiles bad
bsea pat is asotioa . iia eisaaeqmoo of retrain well
known insureectiontry illeveisentes the. Alan of sae.
dinia bad applied to his Ally, the toper. 4 of Austria.

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