The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-07-13 00:00:00

THE. STATF.SMAN.

Lord CArrt.ructou appealed to the eon•isirration of
She Right Honourable Baronet, whether it would be
desirable fur the House to interfere on a cam. of this
natnre, or whether the printer should be called to the
Bar. For his part, he really thought that the whole
proceeding referred to WWI in such a tone and temper,
as must render it perfretly harmless, and as must de-
prive it of any neizht whatever on either side of the'
water. Therefore lie retoniniended rather to pas. Over
the affair in silence, than to adopt any motion upon the
sohject:—(Hear!)

Sir J. MACIUNTOSH said, that as his name was men-
tioned, he begged to share in the forgiveness which
the Noble Lord and the house seemed disposed to
evince upon this orewrion.—(Hear
A Mamoru, whose name we mold not I••arn. remark-
ed, that it would be rather harsh to give 31r. Magee
the trouble of attending at the Bar, as no one could ex-
press more derided disapprobation of the proceeding
alluded to than that lientlestian himself had done in the
very paper which the Right 11 ble Baronet held
in his hand.

After a few words front Sir Genitor who es-
p d a wish to deliver his sentiments upon the con-
duct of the Build of Alerchants, hut was interrupted
by a call to order, the motion wa4 withdrawn.
Sir J. NrWPORT then presented a petition frogs the
Build Merchants against the clause affecting Master
Ellis.

Mr. Pr►t, rose, and Wag prooeeding to animadvert
upon the clause to which the pelitioners referred, when
he w•as called to order by

Mr. PLUNKETT, who deprecated the irregularity of
speaking upon ■ clause which had parsed the House.
The SPlAtilta derided that Mr. l'eel was in order,
as he was oily speaking upon the subject of the Pe-
tition.

Mr.' PEEL, however, declined to enter into the sub-
ject at present, reserving the declaration of his senti-
ments for the return of the Bill alluded to front the
other House. The Right Ilonottraltle lientleman con-
cluded with expressing his regret. that he was not able
to attend the House at the time the clause objected to
by th► petitioners was under discussion. as he should
have felt it hi% duty strongly to enter Isi;'rotest against
it, conceiving it unconstitutional in principle: and that
if the official business of a Master in the Irish Court of
Chancery were incompatible uith at►endance to Par-
liamentary duties in Csat House, the arrangement of the
matter might be •ery safely left to the judgment of the
Lord Chancellor of Ireland.

Mr. PLI• NIIETT ako express.4l his regret that hawse
Mt able to attend the llotve upon the discussion of I
the clans' alluded to, as hr should kite felt it his duty
most strenuously to support that clause.
Al 'HI WFICE.-11r. HENNEr ro-e to maize his
promised motion for the production of the 31inutes
the I:skit-lice token before the Fioconee Committee 41(
last Sessions. upon the conduct Of the Anolit ; and he
could nut conceive any reason for withholding those
Minutes from the House, unleis there was some delin-
quency in this case which it woos desioed to sheltei.—o-
'l'he •ttee had taken no notice of the question of
fees. a 'abject 'chick bad beets minutely istreffrgated
in the Report of the Committee In the year 1811....
The Hight Honourable Gentleman had produced a
Bill, in which certainly some fees were abolished, that
is t say, two fees one of V. Its. in the office of the
Lord Treasurer's Hemenolorancer, and another of tif. ese
in the Pipe.otfiee. Another stihject of which no notice
was taken in the Report order Committee, was the jabot
the Lisbon I' ission. The jobbing career avLis-
bun having terminated, the richt lion. Gentleman was
deter iii i i ted to .repeat the job in England, aril ON !O.
tahlishtnent fur auditing the accounts of that
CAuais-
sion was fixed int ireat icorge-st reet. The expeeees of
the Lisl Commis4i.on ate toted too 11.600/. a-year,
of which to this day only 3.250/. loud been audited.
The establisl got rust no less than 70,000/. in sala-
ries, and only tire accounts lead yrt kern passed. He
held in his hand a Troustiry \l ionic, from which it ap-
peared, that a dispute had subsisted between Sir noblest
Kennedy, the Commissary-Oruro-al at Lisbon, and Ow
person at the head of the Commission, and that r
had been brought by the latter individual against ;
R. Kennedy. which, in the opinion of lobo Majesty's
Government, were wholly destitute of foonnoration. The
obvious conclusion from this was, that such a perms
was until for the situation which he now held at this
establishment in London. The Hon. Member then en.
tered into a variety of statements, with a %kw of shon
ing, that the Treasury had in many instances inter-
freed improperly in the passing of mimosas, anti ass-
eluded by moving, that there be laid before ibis
House the Minutia of the Evideue- taken by the late
Finance Committee concerning the Audit-other. s
Mr. Di% lEM 1;11.81IRT said, that there was certainly
some part of the evidence which the Committee hi
held back ; and they had done so in the exercise of
discretion which was usuallY granted to-Cummitt
heranse they felt that the production of this cvi
would have a tendency to affect private feelings, a
expose private differences without redacin4 any beam
firial result to the publc. With respect I, timseettli
isliehment et the AndWoMie, he was able le state that
a very large mass of accounts was nowt's, progress,
and wool') be brought forward at no very distant
period ; perhaps in the coarse of another year. The
House in (beat George-street was necessary, net mil
mach for the accommodation of the individealt eon-
fleeted with the establishment, as for the security of
the large mass of documents which it was necessary to
examine. fle was so far from thinking the establish-
ment too large, that he was convinced it would be an
advantage to the public, if a greater .ember of per-
sons were employed. For his own part. be bad no
objection to the production of the Minutes for wbteb
the Hon. Gentleman moved, though, for the sake of
ethers, whose private feelings might be affected, he
might wish them not to be brought forward.
After a few words from the Coameet.Loa of the En.
CentitU En and Mr. C. HUTCYII4BOI4, the motion was
411190" t°.
I,..IIIARRACKS FOR THE LIPS AWARDS.—Mr.
Vault %FT rose to 104.110 that the Comptroller of Dir-
ect's be ordered to snood at the Her of the Homo to-
morrow. If the Right Hon. Essdassaa opposite *Wald
state any grounds, which might reader this austimi•
afteseeessary, he had so 'IAN prim it. All he wished
to know was, by wheel 'airier end siltation these
works wort eeesemeeed. ant he we sow the Loot
would agree that am largo a ate if ON jOddillpeasey
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T.e•ft, :•11.

as 70,000/. ought not to be employed in this manner
without the sanction of Parliament. 1t the authority
of the Treasury were produced, the question would
take another shape, and he should then contend that
the Treasury had no authority to lirJer such an under-
taking without having taken the sense of Parliament
on the subject.
The Coins:m.l.oa of the EXCIitIiCER entered into an
explanatory statement, in a tone of voice n hich was not
distinctly audiLe in the Gallery. We understood him to
say, that the Cont;e,etor had undertaken the work upon
his own responsibility, and that the Treasury had, to
this instance, unticipateil the approbation of Par. liausent,
as was usual on many other occasions.
Mr. Antraenounte said, that after what bad been
stated by the Right Hon. Gentle:inn, he would not
press his 'notion.
Mr. Ilussissom asserted the expediency of the pro-
posed plan, and Sir J. N IMPORT arraigned it.
Mr. Wit.sox thought that the Right Hou. the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer had not acted with his modal
discretion, and bail thereby hail himself justly open to
the animadversions which [lad been made upon him.
After some further conversation, in which Lord BIN•
xtxo, Mr. Mown, and the CHANCELLOR of the Ez-
ell's:our,' participated,
Mr. CALca try declared that he had no intention of
casting any slur on the Contractors (Gentlemen to whom
both himself and the Noble Lord opposite were greatly
o%llged), nor yet on the Barrack Department, and
was willing to withdraw his motion; not, however,
being at all shaken in his opinion of the extreme im-
propriety of the measure taken by Government, and in-
timating to take the sense of the House on the second
reading of the Bill, which would, no doubt, be brought
in upon the subject.
Mr. W. SMITH called the attention of the House to two
Memorials which had been presented some time ago,
stating the damage which hail been done by a violent
hurricane to the works at Banff and Peterhead Harbours,
and described at considerable length the peculiar hard-
ships of the case. The damage was estimated at 6,000/.
Ile moved an humble Address to his Majesty, that he
would be graciously pleased to order a sum not less than
3.1/110/. to the Commissioners of Highland Roads and
Bridges for the purpose of repairing the Harbours of
Banff' and Peterhead.
Mr. FOATk:R seconded the motion. _

The l'ilAseri.Los of the 1:14:11EQUIR opposed the mo-
tion, on the ground that if it were acceded to, similar
applications would he made from other places.
Lord FIVE warmly supported the motion.
After a few words from a Mamma under the Gallery,
and
_3lr. W. SMITH. _ _

The CtiANELLLoi of the Excatgrett moved the pre-
vious tocation, which was pat, and negatived without •
thvision. _ _

Mr. Iit?CNET brought in a Bill to regulate Endow-
ments Connected with Public Charities; it a:.‘ read a
first timr, and ordered to be read a second time to-
morrow.

On the motion of Mr. FIaxNET, the Education of the
Poor Dill was ►rad a second time.—To be cutuutitted to-
morrow.

Mr. It timarar, after several observations on the na-
tnrr of the Turnpike Returns Bill, moved that the said
Bill he committed.
Mr. BkICHT opposed the Bill in a speech of con-
siderable length. and moved, as an amendment, that the
Bill be committed on this day six months.
►ttrr a few words in reply from Mr .l). litustaT, '
The Amendment was ppritivild without division.
The Bill then went through a Committee.—Report
to-morrow.

The I'm txcrt.i.on of the EXCIIEQUER brought In a Bill
to provide for the Building eertsis Barracks, by charg-
ing an Annuity on thr Consolidated Fund.—Tbe Bill
nits read a fled time, to be read a second tune to-
morrow.

.11.11:\ BILL—On the motion •f the CHANCRLLOR
of the Itlfligleill, that the Alien Regulation Bill be
remd a thin) time,

Mr. lionstovsa begged to offer a few observations
against this measure. He was really ashamed to see the
little attention which was paid by iientletnen to a mea-
snre of such great importance—a measure which affect-
ed the character of the country throughout Europe.
The lion. Member proceeded at considerable length in
arguing against the passing of this Hill. 'During the
former discossions, lientlemen on his (Mr. H.'s) side of
the House had found it impossible to extract from the
Noble Lord (Castlereagh) any reasons why this Hill
ilsosshl pass into a law. Three reasons, or pretended
reasons, had been given—one by the Noble Lord, one
by the Solicitor•tleneral, and one by the Hight Hun. the
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. The first was.
1 that though we were Dot engaged with a foreign enemy.
we hail intermit danger to struggle against. The second
was a three-times-three refutes' blunder of Blackstone ;
and the third was from some equally inapplicable Sige•
'lents from Mattel and Puffendortf. The Hon. Member,
after a variety of observations in answer to the argu-
ments used recently, as well as on former occasions, in
support of this Hill, observed, that when the Noble Lord
(Castlereagh) appealed on the Continent, in ISIS, be
was hailed as the advocate and supporter of the liberties
of Europe; Isis appearance in every town was marked by
the acclamations and rejoicings of the people. He
(Air. Ilobhouse) happened to be near the Noble Lonl at
the time, and had witnessed the trinospli with which he
was received. Very different, however. was the opinion
entertained of his Lordship in IMI7. The Noble Lord
was then looked upon as one of the general conspirators
against European liberty. it was said that Lord Cas-
tlereagh was vent himself an enemy to freedom, but that
he had been betrayed into a league against universal
freedom. The Hon. Member, adverting to the sitnatioa
of the quern, observed. that this was as additional vas-
ediriehr no inch Hill as this should be passed at pre-
sent. If be should go alone out of that House, he should
still divide upon the question. But he was aware that
be bad no fears to entertain on that account. He knew
that there were many tientlemen equally anxious to
exert t besot-Ives spinal this Hill, and to oppose it, even in
this its last stage. no matter how nosaccessfially. The
people of this country were a people who bed ever prided
themselves on the protection they 'forded to strangers.
The Hon. lieutleutan. after some other observation.,
said, that if the Noble Lord were to mouth his own
101414% he would consent to withdraw this odious and
oblosions Act. He concluded by moving, that the
third reading of the Bill be postponed to that day six
mths.
r. C. SMITH supported the Bill. •
Mr. tiortca strongly condemned the Bill. He coati-
dared it to grow out of a mysterious and undefined at-
tempt to hoot clown the liberalasinded sea—the Whigs
el the Continent—who were deserving of as asylum is
this ommtry. He was sorry to see a eonopirocy formed
stalest liberty—against all free and lar insdtutions i
it was net for Great *halo, he eeNt hag the mat of
freedom, to check the spirit of the age. and to oppose
the progress of public *Woo. He looked es the Bill
before the Howe as inMspitable to strangperal ;tad as
disermefel le the same and character of MOM' ho
therefore tepleasithedetestahlt and odious messier.
Mr 111. Iftiatta ',smoldered the Mil as mal.liberal,
ii anti-tillsk OW tyrannies' in its prised**. He was
Fled that hi lad set moved the chows he Weeded
to Mr sad that them that bad hoes peepseed by
ci of his had been Betwited. It was per-


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