The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-05-01 00:00:00

CATHOLIC CLAIMS,

Lord E. SOM pretested a Petition from
Whitcomb. in Gloacestershire, against the Catholic
claiss.-o.dered to Ito on the ta,de.
Mr. PI.UNKETT presented Petitions from_ 14

Roman Catholic Inhabitants of tbe parishes of St.
Andrew's and St. Mark's, in the City of Deblin,
praiing for a removal of civil disabilities. llr wished
particularly to adeert to that part of the Petition hi
which the Petitioners repressed their analogs solid..
rode to live ern terms of hospitality and b lance
with their Protestant countrymen, and that they
therefore wished to be relieved from a system of
eselasinn whose direct teodency was to cherish sod
keep alive. spirit of irritation and insalt.—[/tears
hear, hear!)—11. wasld venture to soy, that then
were not in the United Kingdom 1500 indivirleals
room loyal, or who were more ready to stand by the
Constitution, with all its establishmeutt, than the
very pommy whose Petitions be had then the Armrest
so present. [hear, hear 1) lie held also in his band*
Petition from the !tome* Catholic of the County of
Fermanagh, with XXV sigusieres, and one from tbs
sense description of persons in lb. County of M s.
nsehan, both oarnerossly and respectably simord. Th.
Petitions were brouilit up, laid on the table, and lbs
Petitions from St. Andren'e arid St. &task's wets
ordered to he printed.
Mr. PARNELL said. be had to present a Petition
from a certain nums.r of the Plotesiasit Inhabitants
of the County of A:smashes*, in (lever of the Callao-
Ilic Claiatr. Time Petitioners we►e of thwt ile.coiptiost
of persons to whose opinions 0.• fleese would at-
loch aslise. They were above the class of middle.
men, and antler that higher eficsiption, over whom
the influence of the Goarrisment was sunniest. Th.
hfPie:tensittaisotednhawliatsowlais:sensedalledi:yaelp,Per:esern7taciroluinfl:tiry':?itayst.lednoW":lll.4l64l
(Nese seypos• that he mouse by the use of thole
terms that it was ►emarkable for • strict adherence tat
' the ditties of the Protestant faith—se suc► Wog;

there was leo little of the spirit of religion, bet
toe mach of the spirit of party re , which
wiohiot otiose few piles had considerably increased.
Sir GEORGE 11111 said a few words which
were wholly i. sediltle.
Mr. LESLIE (the Member for Monaghan) ogled
'tat t r enter' have to present a Petition front 31XX)
Proiesiants of the Cooney of Meneabee against any
vieresolosi to the Catholics. He had heard some.
thine rf the reti•inn presented by the Bon. Gentle.
Sloan (Mr. P4/1110.1). hut from the signatures to it he
did not 'Pyrte's, that any Bon. Member would have
Lad the audacity in present It—(Grits of s. Order,
trdPr ! inecerded bye general langb.)
Mr. PARNELL owed in reply, that fner of the
Petitioners Isere most respectable Presbyterian Mi-
lliliters, indeed the whole seventy were *description
of me., eniull d and enboeght by Government,
a circumstance very rarely to beloved in any county
1,1 l eel end —( flew !) —These men had had been
rtroorte prejudiced against the Catholics, es what
Pintersant Irishman was not They bad imbibed
those prejudices with their milk, but the espetienee
cf the rods of such dissensions bad induced dm to
offer their altered and mere delsberete conviction on
that i nportant sohject.—The Petition was then laid
on the table, sod ordered to be printed.
Mr. CANNING presented a Petition from Liver.
pool. signed by 10,000 persons, against the Catholic ;
Claims. The Rig 800. Member bore his testimony
to the high respectability of the Petitioners, with
whom, however, be differed la opinion on the sob-
;eel, as was well known to them from the commence-
ment of his political ronnezicie with that town.
General GASCOVNE stated, that two-thirds of
the People of Liverpool were decided!, adverse to
any further concession to the Catholics. In that
opinion he ever had, and ever would firmly concur.
The Petition was ordered to lie on the table.
Lord ERRING TON presented a Petition from
the county of Devon, in favour of the Catholic
Claims.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Lord CLIVE brought op the Third Repast of the
Committee of Finance, relative to the Navy.---. Laid
on the table.
S.r G. BILL presented Petitions from the Spirit
&c. in Sligo. Dune's!, and Londonderry,
against any alteration iii the Town Lead io Ito.
lend.—Laid on the table.
Mr. C. IIU f(:HINSON presented a Petitiee from
)(fireball, against the Window Tea of Ireland.—Or-
deft d to be printed and laid en the table.
The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND moved
the second reading of the Scotch Church Benefice
Bill, for the impose of its being withdrawn, as many
of the persons who word to Its being presented,
wished time now to consider of it. Ile moved that it
be read a second lime that day sit months ; which
was agreed 10, after a few words from Mr. PLUN-
KEPI.
sir 11. PA RN ELL brought up the Report of the
ll.l)bearf Road Bill, which was agreed to, and
erdered to -be reed a lime en Tuesday.
taIsTILLATION IN IRELAND.

General II .11t T rove, in move fo. a Commutes af the a hole
so take Mr.° tntoideratioo the State of the Touts Laud
/noes in Ireland.
Mr. DAMSON row to sapper. the motion t nal was sorry In
find that it was to be opposed by the present litivernawat of
Ireland. 1k world restore is airs, that there was on slettket
Piave calculated to recite the feelings or ineansery than this
and he hoped diet the Stalls, Book wield be purged of awry
Penal lane a lick clogged she adaskiitration irmice in ihe
two countries. The law implied a lee of UI. for amides of
Übcit didilLitioa as town Lands I. Ireland. The extent
a loan Loads In Leland sasied, hot oar thoootad acres
might he taken as she syringe 4 and a MS was table to a Ike.
it a iresse4 the. for the purpose. of distillation should be kited
In the SIAM of 1%0 .wart yards. The node of &dad eisteriag
the law aas ~or. ann.- iti in the law it-elf. la Foetal every
'Wog wag in favor, of the arcesed t hat in trebled, should •
Saw be fined Nit be iodietnwat. the whole of the proceedings
▪ rionsbence le ave , and the informer •aseasit ed to one•
half of their*. lel ie4 in many ky, rot on the guilty. bet the
inaoreat. 's he Kr I Hirer. also roeld be nn wi.ness by
the Law of England. alight give evidence is Ireland. and spar
conviction we. entitled to half of the doe. A still was dive's.

Ik.t rd 1/4 a 'moll island in lough tsar aid as she iclawd ass ant
she pr..peny of say individual, the sit next adjacent parishes
%erre ♦bard. A still bad also bees deter.r.l is on obscure corner
of iflsseare suburb iu sad sl.r parishinaera bad
been lord, tboodt totally ignorant of the exiceare or the
hbaeld as •apt) ra.► be fasted ou the premises °fatty init.,/ idol!,
►e was liable to a kaput 101. or imptiroamesi for six mouths. Is
tar year IsltO, sir op►ration of the Fine Lass bad been sas.
pooled s and in Illt many of diem had beets repeated. Ilst
Cie old lan had abet said. bees e-ea wird. and sot only with a
Itlolsouire, hid • Fen o.pec. ice operation; in cassesseace of
olden, many loci Isid bees levied, that had to the lest Moonset
bees titspended, nil sotoespreolly repealed. Sorb a procedure
stecessatily took essay nil confidence t., she I egi-latore. blusald
m similar step be tubes is pat dims Wick eliminating is Scot-
t Ind, the Ilusiorr she should authorise it, mull not remain in
elite forms molds .- (l fear. bear !)-1 he lass of Alfred, that
Tail hers cited to Indication of the Unisex system. as they made
the shale toning t'.shle for any iniro Os/ilia/ bells committed
it..is is. pre( inc.,. upplit d only fa a simple same of society,
find Medlar lass existed among the German mad the Jr..—

lint such Isas were i.ni It. a more refoed
it tel of and inch had bees the opinion of Professor
Win, and of Mr. Monte. Tlidt law of Alfred refeired to the
ma, in w, and 1411 10 the Milk pruhiltila, lie clam of crimes
created by (is il statics). Alford had molded in Isis will, that
the i.aglu.h ikistild be no free .0$ their ono Ittoughlr; and the
.on, privilege ought Io hr $ ates.led to Ireland. tame the tan
C.llllllllei had become our Isio4doda. A See had been levied on
cc-stain aria n loads, io cometpseace of Iwo men being charged,
though taaja..ll, nub illicit di.lilla lea. Noon afier, she lead
ulfeoder confeised bi• guilt, and die !terrain racer, of she
slime of sold sue 'nu iadividoals that If they gave bias
be world me his interest ebb the Beard so procure a re-
'Manua of the Sae. A aunipbsiot was mode to be Baud of
sae c.uslact of die (Nicer, ahem Mr. Machias as. (emoted,
but will remained an 011icer Ile should losealloll
Of conduct of the F.scise son only above who pre them laforosa-
lane. A c•rups iadasideal had gives iolarmation to Mr. lister,
t orlossilloioner of lilti.r, in emiseliseoce of shies ICO
had been seised in .an arch. The souse of the ladividaal ass
alliivred to trampire. and he was almost healer so death. When
(*Wined to bed se tamegorace of be bruise. be bed received,
the a bole of hit cattle had I.ern seised. Up.. his recovers,
be applied to be indeasailled from Ow rade of his guilty ociih•
liaises. The tank weir accordingly seised upon his information,
avid a he nap d.isiog them away , be I.sci-e-oicer. of Me maw
UI t olgaltuaa. di•closed the name of lie informer, and the
fusee rpm twill einstaosed. A per... of maw et Lock
au. d on Mr. !Nearing. a Consatistion.r of hscise, to kora if
us.) la,sto acre doe from a faros shot be Weeded to hate: and
i.• .nursed that the kart bail kern paid. lial won after. h..
to tie sere seised. on &Actium of Ike Ears Mat had already
lice.. paid. Ihe tattle, though amoontiug lo a considerable
number, bad nut) Mersin I. mind the roomy bad tu pay 3..)
gaioras to Ilse Winner. The law had conipteiel. Oiled and
sh vas evident. fines a report by hit. lent, a Cisedalisonner
of Lane, from which the Ilna. se..d au esiract.
in co • fluent c of the lam. the suilty ha.t W. t•C0114 1.14 40 take
awl-e oath to s lent theinielses. and the inn., ens, In moral
lb. it arizkhoor. Ir en Ike cusisciiisemei of so turncoat ion.— An
Eaci•e nicer had been tried nu a charge of teceA ins • bribe
luall.a.gninca to a Ina an illicit major. In rat- d ;;.e.d
lortotril. on tale trial. vat. Lad she 41ticle brrn

messed, wwwld hate. been raistled in :I. the Jur% teo.tid him
sail). Sawa sdier he w met:shed alone b% sou ask; Jurs bele
is presoa. Atha i• d him t it% erre tali, tur,ildrd of hr. in-
- whirowir. bet thot the)orte tiettlatihrd u.sa,.tu ei at • a %ti-
thel asairmit as 0111 err et the It •ir. sire. 'fle kellienCr lipay this
man Ltd hers a 'rise, emptemarimmt. and a Gem e•I tweed)
tamehil-. The death of Mr. Wier was a oral' mod' of the el-
f-or d Ote Fresco' system. That entire townie (Math nom had
eta 'soot &edit% b•dii tt, a Diag•cr.ste hoot a latedleme, Si. e ut
doa• illicit dedillaissa. mod hat; b,ro. iulinmonls earodcred is
tat ekw dd kl 9115 ttlkaltr: 'dnt us

armbd forte the 6w was wholly inoperative. The Ifni*. Gent.
here read a lento on hint from Jedge I leteier, staling his epi-
tome to be wholly aver,. to the present system, cad that he had
hat ample npporosaity of seeing its inelliesey. The Mater of
the Mint, and the Presidest of the Heard of Controol, were
both hostile to that system. Ile eaneltided by a gammons frees
Sir J. Davies, that there RN no nation mare aitarhed la equal
and impartial justice than the Irish; and if the l'haneellne of
the I:selsequer Anal/ ant deal oat espial and impartial kinky,
he aneW be tripe. tittle for the roasesiaencrs, both to God
sad man.

- Mr. 1.. POSTER said, he shoal I slate not 'vision bat farts.
and showhi belt at the comaion both in a hassacial and lea moral
point of view. Ina ilonseill point of view, It was deserving
of none., Oat the amoont of she reverser from the Excise was
1.211.01.01. toeing nor-fourth of the whole trireme of Ireland.
and had Meowed 19 per rent. 'ince the last sear. The Mall
Ilaty noinuoied to 339 0301. earl had. 'within Ilse game time, in-
(Trued Lhl per real.; to that of a revenge of Ste millioar. •
P 1,113011 and a half arose fr on the Spirit sold Malt Dade. la
the counts of the last s.er CILM Illicit stills had beim pin dower
hat is the course of the years 11110. 1811. and 1812. before the
present sinew had h-ra revived, no fewer than 19.000 Mien
still. had hems dest, toyed. The asseher is the On of those
years brie; in the nest 6619; and its the last :-4116. For
that purpose an armed Fore had berm needful, and much woe
violence Asti Ivrea employed than Nader the spire that had since
been acted ipso. bull the evil cootinard to increase, and the
: whole of !reined had la a manner becomes' IMISSPIIve distillery.
i It was found that the great resold not carry on their
' trade no account of the prevalence of Illicit distillatina; and
a wool respectable Consenter of that House bad reported, that
to pat a stop faille prareire of /initiation, It was MCKIM-
•ary IC fine town lands. In consequence of that Report
' tieing acted upon. a great 1111. w had hero given in illicit distil-
Union. In the toasty of Loogford. the one her of lines bad in
Ibl I been Al I is the nest year. t. 4 ; bat in the lag year Merely
• been ave. la the comely of Cavan. Or foes had in the last
year been mils Pd. in the county of Fermanagh, the number
in, fine* in I l 11, was lilt in 11515, ICJ; bat in the last 'measly
41. The ease had been similar in most of thee:bet Irish cora.
ties. with the excepting of Tyrone hod lhosegal, In the latter,
iu 151.1, the Sees had here J. is the nevi year. 91111, and lathe
kit yen' 310. In Tyree the liars in 1814 were lin, and i• the
last year Vie. Upon the whole the member of tines its 1814 104
been 3,551. and its the last year only 1.11.11. ()oaf Neogene.,
illicit dim ilhnion had hero utmost wholly pat down in 21, sod in
the other nine assimilate/ to the mountainous district-. It np.
petsred trots the (midair.. of Mr. Lore and Mr. (Mbit, the 51
oairit till. lad been voluntarily given sp. and that agreemeets
had Veen entered I. a to prierrine ofendess, should the pew
st -tem branched to 'entail. In f .re-. la 11415, a maa of mare
seal that di.eretion, had bee.. appointed b the Board of b.x•
rise of Ihmegal. awl arts of rippressina had been ranimitied.—
Ilut since teat tine he and tan more, woe hod imitated his
example, bad tree dines rd. The annual of Ines for Oben
dertillatinr in the comely of Donegal had been 4541. while the
ailment of (-ens Owsy impu4.l by Grand Jury Pierestmen. had
in the muse time twee :11.00U1. As to the moral reeve, the as
room of Justice Fletcher appeared to hie to t 4 one, charged.
nod certainly differed from his own esperienee. The expellee
Ma. Corot ly nosimated to 91,01A8.•-year,was them only
8.0 11. I' if N l 1.1. thought a mew plan might to he adopted.
Mr. W. NlLS:contended Sisal illicit distilleries had increased I
under Or ;ismer sy Stria.
Lord MOU NTCII A R 1.141 was of the snow opinio,.
Mr. V. FIT7AikitALIY defended the pewee system. Should
• question of reweave and morals come is conflict, no doubt
mold arise as to where the preference should be given. A Com.
mineral the Hoare. mow insmeroos sod respectable, had called
for the re-enactment of the law imposing does ass town lands.—
The Illoossorable Geoilrene ishsersed, store his retiring from
°See, he he/ known hot little of the manner 'ln which this law
had hero carried Mord...et hut dor* the time be was
converses; tank she subject, had be known as application for
ressi.slim of deg to Goveraniest, where may tkiisg like a ease
was mode oat. disregarded. Ile had risen to-night only to ex-
culpate himself, whatever might be the insult of the WIMP of to.
eight. If the law was coot limed he could aid regret that a law
skirls he Hatt himself proem, should still prevail. If nobs-
wet. in its wisdom. should think it eight to coottasta so longer,
he should terl it his duty to *tithed.
Mr. W. 1.01.1: mad Mr. I/AWSON explained.

Mr. FRENCH was in fattier of the motion ; he
considered the law as most oppressive; it made the
innocent by fur the guilty ; if such was to be the
law of Ireland, let it he the law of England and Ire-
land also. 'llse Art hail been productive of the worst
',firms to morality and religion. lie would rest en
the opinion of the Judges of Ireland ; and If only
one of these was fooud to differ froM him in opialon,
that no Act had ever produced to much perjury as
this lad done, he never week: open his moeth in the
House of Commons spin.
Mr. PEEL said, the system, though it might have
been oppressive in perticelar individual cases, yet
generally it had been productive of the best effects;
it was *ply in too counties that the law bad failed to
effect its object. The Right Hun. Gentleman than
procerded to comment of, the two Reports of the
Committees appointed to enquire into the state of
Ireland, as respected illicit distillation made in 1812
and 1813, which, he said, fully priced the good
effects ',iodated by this system.
Colonel BARRY was decidedly hostile to this
system, width he considered as •njest, and destruc-
tive of the 'engine, health, and motels of the People.
Ile had declared this opinion when ermined before
the Committee, and should be always ready to do
the same in his place in Parliament. Yet, though
thus hostile to the jorintiple of the law, be was far
from Woking it ought to he immediately repealed;
at, if that coarse was adopted, he !hi:1800as whole
•f the North of Ireland would, in a short time, be
inundated with illicit stills. What he wanted was,
that some system should he adopted which would in
a short time render this law ounectisare in fetere.—
This be theeeht might be effected by the encourage-
west of small legal stills.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, all the official information before the House on
this subject described the calming system as one
which had been productise of the greatest benefits to
;tetanal end to the Reveille', without at all alluding
to any of those acts of oppression as had to-night
been imputed to it. Bet while he thus gave his
111111Climi to this system, he was far from giving it as
his decided opinion that it could not be blended so
far with the liceissiog of small stills as should establish
a rivalry to the smugglers, with their own particular
class of cestomera.—[lltor, hear!]—Whilst he said
air, however, he could not, holding the situation
he did, consent to a system of vacillation which most
be injurious to the Revenue.
S.r J. NEWPORT thought the conduct of the
&lutist/oft of the Crown to-night was the most es-
tranidioary. lied the Right Hon. Gentleman who
had just bat down formed any opinion when he came
down to the Hesse to-Hight, or bad any new light
broken in upon him? If such was not the rise,
hew was it that he differed in opinion on this subject
sale those who should act with him? or were the
House to think that on this, as on all ether great
public questions, Mejesty's Ministers were of dif-
ferent opinions?—[licar, hear!]—The Right Hoe.
Gent. then proceeded to speak to the merits of the
question then before the House, and said, be world
never compromise his opioisu is the Hoes*, in com-
pliance with any majority which might appear
against him.—[l/:or, leer!]—tie trusted no one
II osl.l 11.h.k the vs watt of him fur this declaration.--
//tcc, hear !) Ile was iu revue( of the prevent sys-
tem. If that elites' bad Dot msccees/esl in Newt
and Troop, it was the fselt of Gentlemen of fortune
residing in these counties.—(No, no!)—Gentlemen
mir,lit co. No, no! hut he said—Yes, yes! ,* s had
ift ou! for liss asiertiou. It illicit distillation was to-