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was the greet object of the inquiry. with which the Hous
had bees now so long oecapTed 7—Was it not to ascertain
whether or not thefiberif had made put al impartial panel?
Bellow was that to be tried?, "I Nave" says. the. Sheriff,
"tip Orange panel In my pocket." . Whet tweanothat 7
(Rear.) Did not the gravamen of the charge consist in
~.4neertaining what an Orangeman was The House were
lot to be told that they must stop short, just at the moment
that the inquiry became important% It-was- important that
the oath which the witness had taken would notprotoct him
In a Court of Law, and yet it was to avail him at the bar of
the House of Commons? What was this but truckling to
the Orange faction ?—(Hear, hear.) Let the Illoasethink of
the effect which this will produce in Ireland, when the She-
riff will have told, that in answer to the chsege of corruption,
he stated openly that he had returned an Orange pose!, and
that the House were afraid to inquire what that meant.—
(Hear, hear.) This was bullying the Holm with it yen-
geame, and when it was considered that those who were at
the head of this faction were the men for worn we bed been
voting large salaries, the case was still more aggravated.—
It was, in fact, the manifesto of the Orangemen in these
words—" We will be good and loyal subjects only so long
as we please—that is, so long as you allow us to rule Ire-
land."—(Loud cheers.) "How long then would they be
allowed to rule Ireland?" that was the real question, That
was the question which the Mouse had now to decide, and in
which its dignity. honour and character, and the safety of
Ireland were involved. It was ridiculous to sae—" Yoa
give a triumph to oqe party or the other by prosecuting the
inquiry." The House was now committed. nod bad gods
too far to recede. It was no longer a question . lei-,
tweets two parties in Ireland, bet it was hetweeo the
House and the Orangemen.—(Hear.) Were we engaged in
al inquiry connected with the cause of justice or were we
not 7—l f we were, itwas our duty to prosecute the inquiry
at all events, and we owed it to the people of Ireland to pu-
nish that party, by whose means the stream of justise was
impeded. The House then should not be turned aside by
any consideration from probing this matter to the bottom.
But this was not the first time that it was admitted the sided-
, nistration of justice was impeded by this society. In Itll4,
a most respectable Irish Judge (Mr. Justice Fletcher), is
addressing a Grand Jury in Ireland, used these words—" Id
the nest place, the country sees the Magistrates overacting
their perm: in some instances by a too great supineness. in•
others by too active a partiality in the dispensing of justice.
In this case I find that the Societies called the Orange So-'
cleties, have produced the most mischievous effects, particu-
larly in the North of Ireland. There they poison the very
sources of justice," itc.—(Hear, hear.) After these admis-
' sions from so high an authority, was the House to shrink
' from a contest with such a party. What triumph could be ,1
so great as to allow the witness to call himself victor over
the House? Nobody could doubt the relevancy of the
question, and it was the merest truckling to the faction
not to put it. There could be no triumph without success,
and a martyr was not so dangerous as a victor.—(Hear.)
Mr. PELHAM said a few words which were inau-
dible. •
Mr. CANNING expressed his conviction of the power
of the House in requiring answers from the witness, but
be thought that it would be better to abstain from put-
ting the question. as his refusing to answer would drive
the House, in its own defence. to visit him with pnnish•
ment. This he deprecated as likely to be attended with
ill consequencee. The opinion which lie had expressed
oc Friday night was:confirmed by the reflection of forty-
! eight hours. He distpot deem this question necessary,
'and if it was allowed, the House should permit several
1 others of the same natal* which would lead to the great-
est inconvenience. The course which he now suggested,
he would pursue in the case of an United Irishman, or
: any other person similarly situated. It was not necessary
at this time to give an opinion upon Orange Societies,
' for there was already a Bill before the House which
would effectually suppress all secret societies in Ireland.
Considering it, therefore, unwise wantonly to bring
' this matter to en issue, wore especially when the question
iwas irrelevant, be would oppose its tieing put.
Mr. AROCUHAM said, that before the House entan-
gled itsel(in a discussion as to relevancy or irrelevanzy
Lof any particular question, they should begin by ascer-
taining whether the witness was disposed to answer tbs.
question upon which they had set the'? sanction. The
issue pointed now was, not upon the propriety of the in-
terrogatory, but upon the power to draw forth an an-
swer. The gauntlet had been already flung down by the
witness, for be was asked a question which the House
decided to be a proper one; hut lie pertinaciously and
contumaciously refused to reply to it. Here, then, was a
fall stop. If the House would proceed by opening anew
door of inquiry, they must do so re inject a, for it was ab-
surd to think of starting new questions, whilst the wit-
ness made a stand at any one, for the principle was there•
by committed. The only difficulty, therefore, could be,
whether or not the House felt disposed to vindicate its
privileges by incising upon an answer, or whether they
would pos'pone it for the present. Of its relevancy there
was " not a twig to hang a doubt upon," and it was
much too late to use it with any effect We were
engaged in inquiring whether or not the Sheriff of Dub
lie packed a Jury. What was his answer? It was in
evidence that he bragged of having an Orange panel in
his pocket.
Colonel BARRY —I rise to order. From a sense of
public justice iam obliged to interfere. The Hon. Mem-
ber has assumed that in evidence to be proved, which
was disproved on the other side. It is not fair, therefore,
to make ust of ex•parte statements in argument.
Mr. GRATTAN.—That statement respecting the
Orange panel remains oncontradicted.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he was satisfied the Right lion.
Gentleman who had conducted this case with so much can-
dour hitherto, had, in the heat of argument, strayed away
from that course. It was surely unnecessary to tell him,
that, all the proceedings hitherto were interlocutory, and
that no decision had yet been given upon the case one way
or the other. He (Mr. Brougham) was therefore at liberty
to use what he found upon the minutes. He had no wish
to prejudge the case, or to raise a prejudice against the
Sheriff. Alit he meant to say was, that it appeared' by the
minutes of the evidence that the Sheriff somewhere said.
"he had a good Orange panel in his pocket." This might
have been contradicted, though he was not aware that it was
—(Hear ;) and be recollected perfectly well, what e. flame
was raised in the endeavours which were made to obtain a
contradiction to it.
Mr. PLUNKETT here interfered, and begged to callback
the Hon. Gentleman's atteutiou to the point inore imme-
diately in issue.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, his Right Hon. and Learned
Friend was quite right, but he would see that he had been
dragged into this course of remark. They at least had it
in evidence that such an assertion had been made by the
Sheriff; and could soy man then say, that to inquire into
what these Orangemen were was irrevelant ? But then it
was not discreet to examine on such points. These silken
phrases might suit the taste, but it was absolute effeminacy
to talk so in such a case as this. Diseretion was the better
part of valour—(4. laugh)—and the public would see what
It was upon the present occasion. Judgment too was a
term used ; and they all knew that it also meant that part ,
of valour assigned to discretion.—(A laugh.) • And this was
the determination to which the Right Hon. Secretary of
State had come after 48 hours of sober, collected reflection.
Dignity too, had been talked of ; but the House would lose
all dignity, and authority likewise, unless it went tuck to
the very question, which the Must decid 4:1 almost unani-
mously it would have answered. But now this Deputy
Grand Mester of all the Orange Lodges put their dignitylo
flight ripen his first appearance. The other night the (Ides-
lion was put to him, which he contumaciously refused to
answer. Bat now they were not to proceed even so far as
to put any question of which he was not likely to approve.
He came like another great personage who came before
hire—vest, eidi, vici.—(Loud laughter.) This might be
passed over la the House, but what would the public say
and thick, when they saw such proceedings? What would
they think when they saw how tie poor printers were treated
if they came to their bar, and contrasted it 'whit their con-
duct towards Sir A. Bradley King? It was said in an
other place by Lord Redesdale teed he named him to ho.
nour him for his services, and upon his authority upon rich
subjects), that the result of tweets years experience in Ire-

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Bend Informed him, that in that ill-fited **entry there wa
ithe justice for the rich, and another for the poor, and both
ill-administered. lie had hoped that such a state of things
were censned to Ireland ; but he found that the same state
of thinks now *misted in the British Haase of Commons.—
Their taty was to probe this inquiry to the bottom, Ind to
deal equally with all parties. But let them not meet the
Orangetneo,with Bills which they•did not know would he
carried; and which were intended to pronounce that to be
illegal which the Judges aad the Attorney-General and al-
most every body ease,• had already declared to be so. Let
them not send back Sir Attrehr ui Bradley King to the Orange
Lodges with the triumph of having humbled and defeated

the Parliament of England.
A 51EHRER,whose mime we could not learn, spoke a 12w
Inaudible words from under the Gallery.
Mr. C. WYNN said the House was left to choose between
`evils. 'He was anxious that the inquisitarlal power of the
House should be vindicated,
Col. HARRY thought that the questions should he pat
boldly and honestly at once to the witness.
Sir .7. NEWPORT said he intended not to press the
question now, but to withdraw it without giving tip his
right to put it at any future period if he thought neces-
sary. But he thought the former question ought to be
answered be the witness.
A desultory roriversation \ben sued as to the
power of the Right lion. B ourt o withdraw the
question, which )rd to ngfErci n u n the point, and
Jo
rat'he withdrew it according to his in ntion.
After a few words from Mr. es., M W. SMITH the
witness liras rejalled, and Si . New T pat to the
thefullowing qoestion.
..,
From what part of Scripture are the pa sages taken
which ore read to Orangemen ?
Mr. Secretary PEEL moved that the witness do with-
draw ; and objected to the question.
The aitness withdrew.

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Sir J. NEWPORT repeated the question, and moved
that it be put.
Mr. BROUGHAM seconded the motion, and said
ttat this qu tion was distinct from that upon which
i}et.
Ministers ha just given an opinion, and without any
inconsigeue they might agree to it. The Hon. an!
Ltirned Met them real the minutes of the former
ev4ence, an contended that the question now was,
whether the House or the witness should prevail. In
answer to this question when put to the witness before,
he had referred them gmerally to the Old Testament.
It was impossible for. the House to feel that this was art
answer to its questitn ; and it would be acting deceit-
fully if it declared tin, It a belief.
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Mr. PLUNKETT thought it wotild be better to put
the qoestion thus; " In what part of the Old Testament
are the texts read to Orangemen to he found?'
Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved the question accord-
ingly.
Colonel BARRY said that it would be more manly to
ask directly the book, chapter, and verse.
Sir J, NEWPORI said he would adept that sugger-
lion.

Mr. Alderman WOOD thought that the proper mode
of eyamination would be to mention the particular part
of the Bible in which the passages which had been al-
luded to were supposed to be, and to ask the witness
whether those passages were to be found in that place?
(Hear.)
Mr. CANNING approved of the suggestion of the
worthy Alderman.
Mr. ABERCROMBY observed, that to approve of
such mode of examilia.ion would be to assume that hie
Right lion. Friend was in the secrets of the Oraogetnen.
(Hen )
The CHAIRMAN said, tbe question which be had to
peapiie to. the witness was as follows: " In what book.
chapter, and verse of the Old Testausent are these pas
sages to be found which arc read to Orangemen on their
initiation 1.."
Mr. BANKES objected to any thing which appeared
like an nnnecessery interference with a min's conscience.
Mr. JOHN WILLIAMS couteuiled, that the question
was not merely relevant, but absolutely necessary to the
further larosecutio:i of this investigation.
Mr. K. DOUGLAS said a few words, amid incessant
cries of " Question."
The gallery was then cleared for the division. when
there appeared—For putting the question, :47—Against
it, 117—Majority, 30.
On our re-admission into the Gallery, we foun3
Mr. BROUGHAM on his legs addressing the Com-
mittee. He wished he could conceal from himself the
tendency of the decision to which the Committee had
just come. In his opinion that ten lent-3r was to encou-
rage unlawful associations and unlawful oaths. Those
who voted with the majority on the last division, from
motives of religion' hail, he could assure them, encourag-
ed a practice which went to cut up all sound religion by
the routs. Those oaths were not only illegal; but were
irreligious and profane. This was the opinion of the
Judges, who even thought they were blasphemous oaths;
and for his own part, although he did nut defend the
conduct of the poor people who had been indicted, and
punished for blasphemy, be thought the oaths in question
witch more objectionable than their conduct. He thought,
indeed, that they were the worst practical blasphemy.—
Instead of inquiring whether a question would beproper
or improper, the Committee appeared to have decided an
inquiry whether it would be agreeable or disagreeable to
Alderman King to answer it. He really thought that,
this being the case, the Committee should abstain from
humiliating themselves any further. Still, however, he
advised his Right Hon. Friend to go on with the exa-
mination. As for the oaths, the Lord Chief Justice and
the Attorney General for Ireland bad declared them to
be illegal ; it was clear that Alderman King had been
guilty of a misdem-anour in taking the oath ; and yet the
Committee had resolved to allow him to pat forth tnat
very misdemeanour as a shelter against his examination ;
or, at least, such part of it as was disagreeable to him.—
This question involved the very existence of Parliament;
for no other question had ever, in his Parliamentary life,
come before the House a millionth so important as this.
The case of Sir Francis Burdett, some years since, was
not like the present. Sir Francis had offered no
obstruction to the proceedings of the House ; he bad
spoken lightly of something the House had done a
month before, and the House sent him to the Tower,
though the same doctrine about martyrdom had been ad-
vanced in this Iliac as was put forth in that. Mr. Wind-
ham, in particular, was anxious to deprive Sir. Francis
of the honour of martyrdom; but he (Mr. Brougham)
had always thought and declared that the whole of the
proceedings against Sir F. Burdett were unjust and il-
legal. Still he wished the present examination to be
gone on with. He should be sorry to see it given up
in ill humour. But, after what hid been done in this
case of Sir Abraham King, he really should like to see
the House here atm. darting its vengeance upon some
unfortunate primer who had no friend at Court. If, on
such an occasion, the printer were to say—" I belong
to the Jourueyinen Printers' Masonic Society, and have
sworn not to reveal what passes in it: my conscience is
wooer, and I beg you will not press me to violate my
oath." if this should be the case, he should like to
nee any Minister ask the House to send that man to pri-
*n, and become a party two its own a lditional huinilia-
don. If the House, however, were actually to do so,
it amnia commit an act of suicide, and there would then
Only remain to be done what was suggested to be done
by one who was sent to prison far it, when something
'which was now under the table was then put upon it.—
There would only remain for them to be kicked and
cuffed out of doors as they would richly deserve.; and
for him who did it to lock the doors and put the keys
in his pocket.
r. C. WILSON defended the motives of chose gen-
-Ileum who had toted in the majority on the last di-

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cision, from pe imputations which the tronourable
'Member for Wiathelsea had thrown out against them in
Isis el,lnent harangue. He was proceeding In his con.-
ments, when
Lord STANLEY called the Honourable Gentleman to
order, and begged to know what question was before the
Committee.

Mr. C. WILSON wished to know why he was called
to order, while an Hon. Gentleman had been allowed to
proceed.
Sir It. HERON said that be bad called the Hon. Gent.
(Jlr. Brougham) to order, because he had expected that
he would conclude with a motion.

Mr. BROUGHAM edited, that he had intended to have
done so, gni! the motion would naturally have been that
the wi'n.ss be calle.i in.

This question having been put,
Mr. C. WILSON went on to state, that Imbed object-
ed to the question proposed to be put to the witness, be.
cause it termed to him altogether irrelevant, when the
inquiry regarded only the conduct of the Sheriff t f

Sir A.R. king was then called in. and examined by Sir J.
NEWPORT,-1 wish to whether the following words, or
any part cf them are read, or put to an Orangeman on, or
lifter his admission AS such—" And stay you nut, but pursue
after your enemies, and smite the hindmost of them ; suf.•r
them not to enter into their cities, for the Loan your Goo
bath delivered them into your hands."
Witoess.—Not one word of them to the best of my kilos.
ledge. • _ _ _

Sir J. NEWPORT—Or any words to that effect ?—None
that I knew of.

Sir J.NEWPORT—What other texts from Scripture are
read 1 This question being objected to was not put.
By Mr. BROUGHAM—Are the texts which are read, or
slid to be used as signs, eontained in one or two words—ate
the texts at some lerteth. sent.nc,m—
The witness was ordered to withdraw.

WETIIERELI. wished to know the former sr•
ewers of the witness; because he doubted if the wilie.s
Gad not denied that any texts were taken from Scripture.
Mr. BROUGHAM said the witness admitted on Fridal.
that texts were rend from the Old Testarnet.t.

The short-hand writer again read the quest:oa and
■newer.

Ale. WETIIERELL said it appeared that come texts
of Scripture were read over on the anthission of Orange-
men,
Mr. BROUGHAM then matte sonic observations in refer-
ence to the particular texts, and wished to know whether
they consisted of particular words.
Mr. WEICHERELL objected to the witness being called
upon to state the particular words.
After • few words from Air. T. FITZGERALI),
Mr. BROUGHAM said he stoo' put this question if it
was not objected to—" is there any verse in the 10th chapter
of the book of Joshua to the 19th verse, that is read cart to
Orangemen on their admission?"
Mr. WETHERELL objected to this question as seek-
ing to extort in a lump what the witness had already recussd
to answer.
Mr. PEEL contended that the question was touched in
termstoo general.
Col. BARRY said if this mode of examination were
persisted in, they might go through the whole of the
Old Testament before the inviiry was concluded. Tie
manful way would be to Hsi; c witness whether there
was any thing in the oath of an Orangeitiati whica
went to encourage the extermination of auy class of
society.
Mr, BROUGHAM said that wl at the Right Honour-
able Colonel meant by " inatifnl" was, that the witness
should state his own opinion instead of giving facts to
the Committee. He 53.3' it was quite listless to pros
the question, for then: IV4f a symp,out which indicated
to Alderman King, the lloputy Grand Alast,r, that lie
was not to answer.
Mr. Secretary PEEL proposed that the Hon. and
Learned Member shoal(' point out any particular Teri-,
and ash the witness whether that was read over to
Orangemen on their admission.
Mr. A BERCROMBY concurred with his Hon. and
Learned Friend, that there was not the slightest use is
pressing the qu-stion. The relevancy of it was as clear-
ly shown as the intention to defeat it was apparent.
Alderman King was then called'.
Ezamined by Mr. BROM/ Id A AL—What are the parts
of Scripture that are read over to Orangemen on their
adm'ssion ?—I am qnite unprepared to answer, not bar-
ing the book of reference.
Do you recollect what parts of Scripture are read ups
the occasion ?
Mr. RANKIN objected to .the question.
..Mr. BROUGHAM said there was a manifest intention
to defeat the object of the inqnirv. The irrelevance the
question had never been talked or till the witness refused
to answer.
Colonel BARRY also objected to the question.
The witness was then ordered to withdraw.
Mr. BROUGHAM asked the Right Honourable Co-
lonel, whether he thought thispertivacions opposition to
the developement of truth trout.' look well out of doors.
The world would certainly think it would not.
Col. BARRY said that the elusion was the same in
substance as that which the House had decided the wit-
ness should nist answer.
Mr. BROUGHAM thought it quite a mockery to goon
with the inquiry in this way.
Mr. HUTCHINSON deprecated the conduct which
Ministers pursued towards Ireland. He hoped it would
go abroad to the world that his Majesty's Government
were quite indifferent to the taunts and insults which
the Catholic millions of Ireland eiperien:ed from a
wretched (action.
The CHAIRMAN wished to know from the Honour.
able Member whether he meant to conclude with a mo.
tion ?
Mr. HUTCHINSON said, that finding there was ro
use in !proceeding with the inquiry in this manner, he
should move that it be removed to that day six months.
Mr. Secretary PEEL asked the lion. Measlier whether
be thought that aaeasonahle time to discuss the condor
of his Majesty's Government with respect to Ireland ?It
certainly was not, and when the fit occasion arrived, then
wonld be no indisposition on the part of him aid hiswh
leagues to have their and aqtres strictly examined.
Air. HUME supported the motion.
Mr. RICE did not wish to get rid of the inquiry 10
long as the Sheriff had yet any witnesses to call in hit
defence.
Mr. URATTAN hoped that his Hon. Friend would
withdraw the motion, as some good might result froa
prosecuting the inquiry.
Mr. Secretary. PEEL said he would oppose the rel•
ting rid of the sociniry, if his Right Hon. Friend (Co-
lonel Barry) stated that he had any more witnesses to
call on the part of the sheriff ; if not, he should consent
to its being put an end tu.
Mr. PLUNKEIT said he thought the question which
the witness had refissed to answer material to the inquiry
but he did nut conceive it necessary to his own defend
in the part be had sakes.
After a few words from Colonel BARRY, Mr. CAL'
CRAFT, Mr. FEEL, and Mr. HUTCHINSON, ll*
CHAIRMAN put the question, which was negatited
without a division, and
Alderman King was again called in.
He was not bound by Isis oath to conceal any thilli°
Orange lodges, but signs, and words. There was
varitty of other business besides signs, tokens, aid
words.
tile Dotens
aannyy Int;
ai its
sg
nefvehriataidltea
jiselaatyce.aaatnObireannt
og e?_locad !Tarty.
not; and if any one had told me so, I would not P
lies* it.
Witness held the office of Deputy Grand Miller;
does not hold it now ; he retired from it. Three ye'"
-4) a tiaeitioo occurred, when the ('rand Lodge 01°'

opinion that a certain act' ought not to be done. The
question related to the dressing of the statue ; this was
prior to the Kind's visit to Ireland.
By Colonel BARRY.—In no part of the Orange In-
stitution was there any thing hostile to any class of his
Majesty's subjects. Latterly Roman Catholics had taken
offence at Orange Lodges ; and some dissatisfaction ex-
isted in Ireland on that account.
Mr. HIJ%IE desired to ask the purport of the scriptu-
ral passages which were read. (Cries of " No, no. )
Ile insisted that he had a right to put the question. The
purport had not yet been asked. It was possilde tbs• a
proposal tnight be read to hang' and destroy all .he Ro-
man Catholics. Since the truth was refused, be had a
right to assume that such was the case; and, upon his
conscience, he believed that it was.
Mr. ti. DAWSON denied that there was any desire

in that (the ministerial) side of the Howe to veil the pro-
ceedings of the Orangemen. No far W. 13 lie trout being
of the opinions of gentlemen opposite, that were it not
for the oath, lie would become an Orangeman to-morro,v.
To them the country most ultimately look for the pre-
/creation of Ireland, arid he would expose him.elf, bat for
the reason+ which he bad stated, to all the Wormy and
calumny thrownomos Orangemen by gentlemen oppo-
cite. lie admired both the principles and the conduct of
Orangemen. lie defied gentlemen opposite to show one
fact which could tlirew disgrace on that body. He defied
them to mention any thing to their,discredii. Sir A.B.
King w is a permit of the highest respectability.
Mr. V. FTI ZtIERA LI) complained of the extremes
to which two Honourable Members had gone in the heat
of argument; Elie one arrogating an exclusive feeling of
loyalty on behalf of one party, and the other attributing
to Orangemen universally a wish to hang the Catholics.
He trusted that the If inourable Gentletnan who hail put
the question (Mr. ['now) would see the propriety of
withdrao kg tr.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT deprecated the lengoage
which they had its: beard, which was the more fearful
• as coming from an offi, ial character (‘lr. Dawson).
claiming •Nelusive loyalty to the Orangemen. If the
Hon. Gentleman meant to persuade his Majesty's Go-
vernment that six nut of the seven millions of the pope-
latiun of Ireland were unworthy of being trusted with
the defence of their country, and one million alone was
loyal, he persuaded theta to rest on an incompetent, frail,
red, which would lead them to their ruin. The Hun.
Alember also in his z-al, thought tit to IL •ke the pane-
gyric of the pure Corporation of [Minn, forgetting
that the contrary was on record in the Report of the
Comenissioners of [mini ry, and of a Committee op stairs.
Mr. Secretary PEEL begged to feudist! the Floam
that they were acting judicially. With respect to Cie
question put to the witness, it was palpably the same
which the Committee had decided over and over again
should not be put.
Mr. HUME declared it as Lis opinion, that so far from
the Orangemen beiug loud, there would he no peace its
Ireland mail the cntiiii institution w.s destroyed. Ha
felt it his duty to press this question, and he would
take the sense of the House npou it.
Mr. GRATTAN was astonished to hoar a Minister
for Ireland (Mr. Dawson), express himself its favour of
the Orange system; and it a. as his firm coovietion that
Motto would never be any peace in Ireland until it was
deco away.
The Committee then divided on the question whither
the last question should be put, which was derided in
the regale', the numbers being—Fer Ilse putting of the
question, 77 ; Agaie:st it, 131.—Majority, 51.
The witness sees then called in, and the examination
resumed by Mr. If USIE.
Does that part of the Uhl Testanteut which read to
Orangemen on their a!niiasior, or afterwards, expre.s
any !imbricate of hostility on the part of the Israelites
to env other nation ?-1 do not think to.
Are rati sure that there are no such sentiments con
rained in those pa.sagi s? —I am.
Are the passages taboo from Scripture such as incul-
cate peace and goo'ho ill to men in general ?
On the motion cf Mr. IVETHERELL, the witness
was ordered to u illtd raw, and the Honourable and Learn-
ed Gentleman objected to the Idle of examination as of
too general a nature.
Mr. If I:31E thought it strange that the Ilonourahle
and Learned Gentleman should allow a general question
• to he put with reaped to hostili y, and should object to
its being put with trivet to peace.
Mr. SCARLEI"I defended the propriety of putting
the question.
Lord CHANROTIIINE oppoarol it.
Mr. ELLICE thought it stood! be more manly in the
Right Honourable Gentleman to move for the postpone-
setut of the inquiry altogether, than to shackle and con-
fine it in such a wanner as to prevent any possible ad-
yantage to the. n t ey.
Mr. PEEL appealed to the House whether such goes-
lions as had been objected to, were not trifling with its
time. The opinion of the House hail been already pro-
nounced on the subject, awd it was too much for an Hon.
Gentleman, noon coming down from his dinner, to insist
on the propriety of putting questions relative to the to-
kens and symbols of the institution.
Mr. ELLICE wished to inform the Right Honourable
• Gentleman that he was as constant to his place that
Light as the Right • Hon. Gentleman himself, and had
voted on the two divisions. His Majesty's Government
seemed to throw every obstacle in the way of neces-
sary questions, butt this was only a pert of that system
of comp' omi•e by which they were associated. It
was now plain that no beneficial result could fol-
low from the manner in which the investigation was
conducted.
Mr. SCA RLETT was anxious to know what objection
his Majesty's Nlieilters could have to the truth wining
ont ? aid there certainly seas a party in the House deter-
mined to support the witness.
Mr. JONES said, that front the evidence, it appeared
the charge preferred agair st the Attorney General for
drel.nd tiould nut atter!), and therefore he should op.
pose the lowlier prol roes of the inquiry.
Ali:. U. HEN V E rase to order. lie thought the Ho •
ert.ra:.le and Learned Member was prematurely slamming
op Ire eau..
S rJ. YORKE said he would gladly vote for the tree-
run of u.lourning the hunt. r inquiry, %%hick he hod hoped
tht lion. Member for Carnnrvon was zoiag to propose in
•a brief speech. He w•ts of opinion, that unless the wit-'
nen at the bar answered the questions, be he who he may,
ILO come what would, he should be committed to New-
tat,.

Mr. JONES then moved, as an amendment, that the
chsirmau be ordered to report progress, and ask leave to si
again that day sit months. t
Mr. JOHN SMITH espressei. his disappointment at the
isqu ry. He had indeed enteritined great hopes ; for whre
The Right Hon. Gent:emen opposite had occtyieit a higa si-
tioalou in the Government. lie still !top it in it a .B*e goo 4
*arid re.ult from the inquiry. He wns resolved to vote
siainst the amendment, and would prosecute the inquiry
to long as there was the slightest possiLi.ity of any good
rcsu4t.
A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, said he
Was not at all disappointed by the courne the inquiry had
t„k•n. The sootier it wee buried L. oblivion the b. tier.
Mr. Secretary CANNING said he was, in the beginning,
imposed to the inquiry, being of opinion that It wtolld not
fire out satisfactory. On the present question he was re-
sa:vtd to give no vote.
*Mooed BARRY said, if the Honourable Haronetwere
flaw voted out of the Chair, he should concur in the war
,ton. Hut if it were intended to found any ulterior pro-
visaing' on the evidence already before the House, i.
Amnia go on with the examination of his witnesses te the
'aid. Although he antlered great fatigue from the it:
T•hry, he could not avoid proceeding, rather than idiom a