The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-03-25 00:00:00

THE S`I'ATESMA►N

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Placed on the part of the King); but on the strict and
rizfd principle of jostice he would niain•ain, that eiltito'
the property of the Crown should not he transferable he
law (a proposition he was by no means disposed to admit),
yet the principle, though adniitted, could not apply to
the property which the Kieg purchased or collected be-
fore he became the monarch of these countries.—(Hear,
hear.) The Noble Lord had mentioned the propriety of
these books not leaving the King's family, but he (Lord'
Liverpool) that be posseseedetbe power of transferring
It either to his fandiy or to any one else, as he might feet
graciously. disposed to do. The Noble Lord, enforced
Ibis pileciple, aud.concluded by remarkiag tcliat the oh.
lineations which he bad made myna called, forth• by the
iattodoetion of the topics to which the Noble Lord
lad somewhat irrelevantly descanted upoti
The LORD CHANCELLOR, in reply to the question
which the Noble Lord-bad pot to him, said that, upod
his honour, heltnew of no connection between the pre?
sent and' the transaction alluded' to. He could tele
tify that the principle of this Bill had been entertained,
*nd the Bill iteeff meditated, lons heft). re the touwifice*
gift of his Majesty had been mentioned,
Lord REDESDALE was surprised at the oppositiaii
which was made to the present Bill. Ifit• was. contende
ed that the Grown hail not tbe.powee•of transferring of
property, then he could say daybed(' the Noblemen and,
eminent men in this country enjoyed their estates on bad
titles; for grants from the Crown which were virtually
the transfer of property by the Crown, constituted the
usual mode of rewarding great men for their distinguish-
ed services. The law bad been always, tnat the power;
existed, but the abuse of that power, by an ill-advising
Minister. In the impeachment of Lord Clarendon this
principle was admitted; but the abase of it deemed
punishable. The Noble Lord cited many precedents in
sopport of this view of the case.—The Bill was then'
read a third time and passed.
The Marriage Art Amendment Bill, with amend-
men% was bronghrneot p by Mr. Bitoonex, and was read a
first time.—Adjoud at Seven o'clock.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY.
The House met at eleven o'clock, and was summoned
to the Bar of the }louse of Lords to hear the Rot al As-
sent given by Commission to the Mutiny Bill; the Ma-
rine Forces' Bill; the Irish 'Yeomanry Corps, ; the
Irish Arms' Bill, and several tirivate Bills.
The SPEAKER on his return reported the same, and
adjourned the House to four o'clock.
The House resumed at four o'clock. •
Mr. DRUMMOND presented a petition from Strath-
erne, complaining of Agricultural Distress.—Ordered to
be rived.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from the
inhabitants of Charl'on, against the Coal Unties.--Ur-
tiered to he printed.
Sir W. LEMON presented a petition from the in-
habitants of Market Harhoroogli, against the Hankers'
and Pedlars' Acts.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. GROSSETT prese..ted a petition from the lobs-
hitints of Truro, against the same.—Ordered to be
printed. .1
Mr. EDEN presented a petition from the inhabitants
of the Borough ofst. Ives, maiust the Coal Duty.--eor-1
dered to be "'vivify&
Mr. MANSFIELD presented a petition from the
Tradesmen of the borough of Leicester, against the same.
—Ordered to be printed.
Sir J. NEW PORT brought in a Bill for securing
the more effectual Election, and performance of the du-
ties df County Meetings in I retand.—Read a first time.
To be committed'on Wednesday.
Mr. D. GILBERT presented a petition from the
dermen and Assistants of Penzance agaito4 the Coal
Duties.—After d'few words front Mr. 0 RENVELL, tide
petition was laid on the table, and ordered to be printed.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE gave notice of a motion tele-
tive to Agricultural Distress fer the 31st of flay.
Mr. G. BENNET presented a petition from Richard
Carlile, now confined in Dorchester Goal. The petition
complained of the infliction of corporal punishment on
theme confined in the Goal, from which he and his wife
suffered great mental torture. He suffered great moat
pain from hearing the piercing cries of those upon whom
corporal punishment was inflicted; and prayed cp.
House to do away with suchpunishment. fie ( ,
Bennet) coincided to the opinion of the petitioner,liiat
corporal punishment was barbarous and unnatural; lo-
tended, after the holydays, to bring in a Bill to. Ili*
vent the infliction of corporal punishment ttpou thew
sentenced by Courts of Josti,ce.—The petition was read
and ordered to be printed.
Mr. LUSRINGTON moved the Order of the Day for
taking into consideration the Report of the Cornmittee, of

Ripply.
Mr. HUME said, be bad a petition to present, which
ought to have the precedence.
• , The SPEAKER observed that it was not set down is
peper.
hlr. HUME thought that did not signify, as it was insert-
ed in the printed paper.
The SPEAKER then said—" I suppose the Right Hoe.
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Gent. Is right and I am wrong."
After a few words frotoMr. CREEVEY,
The SPEAKER was the point of order, add the
mothm before the House agreed to.
SVP.PLIN
. Mr. HUME complained of several items of colonial ex-
penditure, particularly one of 171.011 W. for the Cape of
flood Hope. which he thought ought to be reduced. There
was no agent for the Cape of (food Hope, who received a
salary of 6001. a-year, and the assertion that colonial agents
were not paid, by the people of England was unfounded.—
The agent for Ceylon received 1,8000. a-year, and there
was also an ageet for Malta; who had COOL end another for
the Mauritius, with 50W.•
He should be glad to know if
the Treasurer of the Navy found it compatible with his other
appointments, tp act as agent for Ceylon 1 In his opinion
the whole of the OUSIBOIII ought to be trausacted by the opinion,
of the Colonial Department. Ile found under the hes 4
of Colonial Expenditure, e balance in bills amounting to oo
is a sum than 1.€87,0001. exclusive of the money originally
expended. He found among other Items, one relating to
prize-money to Lord Keith, which included a sum of 8,400 t.
Now he would ask, why It had been allowed to remain un-'
paid for fifteen °est:teen years? la page 12, there was an
Item of 9,24 U. paid to Baron Lansdorfon accouot of the sub-
sidy of 4793. He ceetaialy did not see what the House could
wow 'ALTO to do wit!" an account of thirty years standing.--
There were three other item! of 0001. sash, sums paid to Mr.
Llohisie.on account of the Army Extraordinaries, The '
best objectionable item. was a sum of,l,lnkli. to Sir Alex-
&oder Hofie. betel( his allowance for coals and cendles, as
Oovetaor of Edinburgh Castle. flow the allowance for
teals and toadies could here so far accumulated In the
sprayer seven years, he wes at a loss to conjecture. Tbe
Was... Member concluded by moving, That the vote of
SISILSOUi, relasiagto tise.Colonial Expenditure be reduced
by p. 9001. the amoues pad to Colonial Agents.
Mr. WILMOT uidthat the Colonial Accounts had be
os.
en
laid before the Hewes test year, since which time every p
tikblfr rodeetioa lied been "Ade that was coodstent with
that the
Snterento,94lll, public service. It was? uite impossible
an 3 rpm; ednesected with Ms department to which its lalm-
•self belorsedt could find dole to discharge the duties of Co-
lonial Agents. "The Hort. Member thee referred to, some
"statemetsts snide by Mr. Mime in a former debate;respect7
ingthe Seawater, of, Upper Cenada, in his tveatment of Mr.
Ouurkey, end wmir.tehted• that they beret otally unfound-
ed. The Honourable Membee, lie oth was equally
innorreet its elk Ids assertions with respect. to the fantail
its sods.
04tAPW WC). would rappoAt motion .of
Hen his
111.
teglend (Mr. llanut). chiefly browse. threw of the.Co-
Ageots. were Members of earljjimpout,--nanzeiy
tlueklanoi for Ceylon, Mr. Courtenay for the. Cape of 'Hood
'Hope, sad Mr. kviyasour Bathurst, for Malta. Such appoint-
meatiwere directls et variance with the Act of Anne, which
dinged's& reactant beide( new places from being Mem-
bowel Ile
Wen. But !bete le was said that these ?heirs

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were not given by the Crown. This was. a strange trgu- beard theatatements of his Hon. Friend, the Member
n whenit weeeoesidered that,Lord. Bathurst sign fill fur Aberdeen, the isnpression upon his naiad was. either
the House with his friends, and, thus do what the lug his . that they were not true, or that Sir T. Maitland must
Master could not He would me' tinkly, after the.holilas r. be removed from his Government. There watt one ease
introduces distinct proposition on the subject, to keestase-
311ar tbffsaappointmeats came under the Act of Anne and amongst the others, the infamy of which must rest either
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fr not, whether, that Act oughtnot to be amended in con- upon sr T. Maitland••or the Government. lit meant
I sequence, the case Of Martinengo, who was sentenced to ten years
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imprisonment; and he
, Sir J. YORKE,. finding that the Honourable Gentle- would .defy the whole talent of
man below him (Mr. Wilmot was so much oven 'rd in theTreasnry Bench to tell what the charge was at
his deparsment, wished to know how his Right Homer- hint. If the Government had not disclaimed this act,
able- *irked the Treasswer of the Navy and Presidest- of .wity had they thought proper to remit the sentence, or
the Huard of Trade. (Mr. Hneleisson), could have ape a part of it, as bad been.done ? He. thought the night
spare time to discharge his duties as &Colonial Ageot:: Hon. Secretary of State had no right to impute that
Being an advocate for economy, lit would not hesitant° personal and vague charges were made against Sir T.
votefor the reduction of the four Colonial Agents. Maitland; and particularly that they were made by Ilia
• Mr. HUSBISSON contended that the Act of Mae Honourable Friend the Member for Aberdeen, who
was the lest man in the House that deserved such an
did not take cognizance of any appointment% not couio
directly freinthe Craven. The Wanes of; the Colonial imputation.
Agenta were not paid out of our. funds at home, but out Mr, Secretary PEEL explained.
Mr. C. WYNN thought the manner in whioli these
e(the lozal revenues of .the• Colonies. For
thit he
was.determined to retain the office, unless it, could be charges were broogist forward against Sir T. Maitland
shown.that he neglected the duties of it. He woull be was most extraordinary, most unjust, and most illiberal
the last man to bold•it, if the duties were incompaibla. The Noble Lord and the Hon. Member objected to tbe
with the other situations he filled. charges being described as personal, and yet Sir T.
Mr. CREEVEY and Mr. BUSKISSON mutual), es Maitland was called a econrge and a tyrant. But this
plained. • was notbiug personal, whatever, it was only a charge
Mr. T. WILSON thought the agents ought to be. against the Ulteernmentt— (Hear, hear.) The Honour-
paid by the Colonies, but not out of the Colonial lik•ae• able Member has brought forward his statements upon
an occasion when.no desision could be come to by. the
ones- The money oughtto be raised by subseriptiou. •
desultory conversation ensued, in which Sir R. House upon them, and then' he asked for evidence to dim
W ILSON, Mr. ARBUTHNOT, Mr. HUME, and 31. Y. prove them. But it was necessary that there should be
WIGRAM• took part. something more before the Governtnent took such a
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then divided. The numbers were,—.ler course. Let the lion. Member bring forward a distiney
the original 010tial 74 ;—Ago inst it 13;—Ma'
r. 31- ' motion and specific charges, end then was the time for
Oa oar return to the Gallery, we found Mr. HUME meeting him with evidence and papers to diepruve his
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on his legs making some observations on the Resolutious Y-Itemente•
for the Grant for Clothing the Convicts. He wished to ' Colonel DAVIES defended. the conduct of hil Hon.
know how the contracts for time supplying .ef clothieg Friend (Ir. Hume), who did not originate the said•
charge against Sir T. Maitland, bet replied to the °har-
eem formed. With respect to the assertion of the Hon. from the other si,de.
Geotlemam(Mr. Wilmot) he maintained that he never :eatioes made
I Mr. WI ottyr jostitird himself to the course he put-
brought forward any charge against Sir Peregrine Mai:-
lan-I that be was not able to support. The allegation !sued in defending an absent individual, and said that If
!the caseof Martmengo ohottlil be brought before the
which be had•ntada on a former night wan, that Mr.
Gonrlay Was ill treated. With respect to sty Timm, Monte, he would be prepared to cite every explanation
• that might be desired.
Maitland, he did mention, on a former occaiion, that his
The Resolution was then agreed to.
conduct in the Government of the lonian Isles was op-
On the Resolution fur a grata of 3,0001: for the Vaccine;
pressice and tyrannical. He contended,. that he bad
clearly proved 'his charges, II He believed, besides, that it in'tiluti".
r. HU M B
E rose to request the on. Secretary, )Mr.
was in conseqUence of those charges, made and proved in
Wihnot) to spare him, unit the time of the House, those
that House, that a most material change had since taken
lemons he was accustomed to give him (Mr. Hume.)
place in the conduct and in the polity. of Sir Thomas
There was no Member whose advice he (Mr. Hume),
Maitland, in the administration of the Government of the was so little inclined to follow.—Mr. Hume then es-
Toisian Isles No luau was connected with the British
meow than plained the manner in which rho subject of Sir'['. Malt-
Government, whose conduct was more disg iankl was broumrht before the House, by Mr. Wilmot at-
that of Sir T. Maitland, who committed awls of noparal-
tacking him (Mr. Hume). the Honourable Secretary
Jelled injuslice and cruelty. had accused him of nicking sweeping charges, but he
Mr. DAWSON said, that the public were invited, by
had never made any one charge without supporting it by
advertisements in the public papers, to send in &kir
doenments. There were facts which showed that Sir
info' for the contracts tor the clothing of the convicts., Thom,
;Maitland's conduct was unjustifiable. He re-
for which the present Resolutiou was to provide. (erred particularly to the necessity Ike had felt himself,
Mr. WILNIOT said that he had already stated, that If
under of disarusing the inbahitents, the reversal by the.
the Hon. Member for Aberdeen had brought forward the
case of Mr. Guerin), by petition, or in any other way, he Government of the sentences of banishment, and the sea!
would meet him, and would chew that the allegations made te.nceg on M. Aiartieentro. As to the Vote immediately I
were unfounded. As to Sir T. Maitland, he protested 1 before the House, that for the support of the Vaccine
against the Hon. Member's charge against that Officer. The Establishment, he repeated his objection to the numbee
Hon. Member said a great change had occurred in that 0111- of persons (eight) of which the Board was composed.
ear's policy ankh* the last four smooths, and he took credit He did not °eject to the sum that, might he necessary to
to.bimself for a change which he deemed so favourable.— effect the purposes of the Board, hut
he cansideted that
Re (Mr. Wilmot) would challenge the Hon. Member to pro- so numerous a Board was quite uuneeessarv.
duce any proof of a variance iu that Officer's administration
within the last eight months. When the lion. Member Al r. DAWSON said there was a great *deal of °wres-
pondence carried on by the Vaccine Board, and their ex-
complained that the people of the lonian Isles were kept
doss by the forms of the sword, he forgot that the military ertioras bad happily produre4 cousideraiste effect. in
force 011ie island bore very little proportion to the impala- Ceylon in the last year, 90,000 persons were vaccinated;
don of the island. In the island of Corfu there was military in the. Presidency of' Fort William :20,000 ; and in that
force of 1,960 men. It ought who tq but remembered that of Bonthav,•22,ooo.
*ken those Islands were under the French GovernalentAtie4 le. ,
NI WiLMOTnegged again to deny that there had
kept ups garrison of 12,000 men. In that ono lel ndoehie been-any. change of policy in the !sit four months in the
bad a population of 211,000 men capable of bearing arms, lonian Island'' 's As for the five i.ersous who had been
there was a military force of only 1,980 men. In taphole- banished from those Islands, they had been pernsittestio
Dill, which had a population of 3,500 capable of bearing
arms, there was a garrison of only WU men. In Santa return, because even if they were disposed to do. aio.
Maura there was a population of 15,000, anal yet only 3,50 chief, the Islands were in such a state of prosperity tbas
were under arms. Zante had 19,000 inhabitants. and only their efforts would be ineffectual. . i
400 soldiers—so far as to the lion. Member's assertion that After a few words front Sir I. COFFIN and. Ma.
the people were kept down by the sivord. The lion. Mew- HUME, •
ber's allegations respecting the elections cif the represeota- Sir A. HOPE, in allnsiork to a remark made by OM
Oyes were equally grousdiess. The electors weie the same Honourable Member for Aberdeen, on a former night, as
who always voted, and in Corfu, out of 520 electors, having to a sum of 10001. set against his (Sir A. H.'s). name fee
wealifications as to property of between 701. and 001. 42d coals and candles, said that the greater part of that sum
voted, amd that not by ballot, but. Ilya voce. In Cephalo- had not been received by him. The fact was this—he had
nia, which had 430 electors of the same close. 307 bad voted. held the office of Lieutenant-Governor of Ediabargh Castle
The same proportion of electors voted in Sai
nte Mauna, In at an early period of his life, and beano subsequently ap-
Zante, Cerigo, &c. Was it to be supposed that such a num- pointed to what the Honourable Member called the sinecur-
ber of electors, having such qualifications, could be without of Governor of the Military College. That inseam, Wow,
sey influence, as the Hon. Member stated ? Ile had before ever, he found so oppressive to him that he- resigned it
shown the impossibility, of keeping possession of those and returned to his old office• of LieetenanteGovernor of
Isiantis but by military force. There could be no greater Edinburgh Castle. Fie there found that the income had
1 proof of freedom than the number of Independent electors, been considerably dimiuished, and that the allowance of
1 sad the want of aninstance of dissatisfaction on their part coals and condles had be taken awa, and that a p
with the moaner in which the elections were carried on. The nig ry anewanae which had been Madey In lieu of that
al-
-1 great,distioction" between the forma Governaient of the lowancenad been withheld. He had represented that this
islands and the British system was, that there was leas taxa- was an illegal measnre, and consequently the allowance
lion under the latter, and that the taxes levied were implicit was restored, and the arrears which formed the bulk of
immediately to the advaotages of the people themselves.— the sum voted had been paid to Ms Honourable Friend who
there was no ground for asserting that the prosperity of the had held the appotntment before him.
islands was greater under the former Government, or that The vote was agreed to.
the offices of the islands were better administered. Time ty- On anotler vote,
renny complained of by the Hon. Member did net exist at Mr. HUME took occasion to ask whether in
the pay-
ay-
present. No persons were now sent into to nishment for melt of foreign half
pay, any measures w mitten. to
political offences, and tbosewbo had .been banished were certain whether the individuals who received it were en-
recalled. lie repeated, that the military force stationed in gaged Wady foreign service? He understood the rule wee;
the islands was not greater than was necessary to administer that if they engaged in any foreign military service; the
the Government under existing circumstances. The posses- Individuals cessed to be ehtitled to theit bait-pay ; bat he
sion of those islands, he contended, was a great advantage wished to know whether arty means were taken to *seen
to this couritry ; they gave a key to the Adriatic, end coin- lain whether this was the case with any of them'?
%sanded that sea and a parts[ the Mediterranean. Sit U. BURGH said, he understood it was also re-
Mr. G. BENNET said, that If the French had kept large gutted that a certificate should be made, that the Individual
gailliObe In the lonian Islands, it was during war, when
applying for his half-pay was not engaged in any foreign
service, and without such certificate being made,thepay
tlkie wintry had a large naval force in she Mediterranean, would be discontinued.
and had the islands in actual blockade. The present system On the vote for the Penitentisry, ; t
of Government, not content with a large military foray, had Sir J. NEWPORT called the attention of the Hones to
also disarmed the populace nod had taken from them all the regulation of the prim)°, that all the, officers were oh-
meens of offensive attack. 'With these precautions he he- liged to.be members of the Church of England, and that
tiered so large a military force quite unnOrt•ssary. He cap- the prisoners why Obtained leave to absent theinselves
mined in the statements of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Home). from the Church of England Prayers, because they were of
that Sir's homes Maitiand's conduct had tended• to render some other religious belief, were locked up in their cells
the name of Englishmen odious to the people of the lonian during the time of service.
Islands. All, except the Hon. Secretaries, with united Mr. HOLFORD said, that the object was that the of-
voice agreed In that.
Mr. Secretary PEEL expressed his surprise at hearieg deers should be persons who could give an example to the
the. Hon. Member for Aberdeen complain of sweeping prisoners by attending worship, which could not be the
if they did not atten4 the prayers in the prison. As
and general condemnations. When the Hon. Member caste the locking up of the prisoners. it was their usual mode
attacked individuals and establishments in that way him-. of living, and there was no other moo of disposing of
self, be must expect some warmth from those whose them during service.
duty it was to defend them. He considered his lion. The Reselution.s were agreed to.
MILL.
Friend to be quite justified in the warmth he bad ex- BI ER DUTlit e •
pressed at the charges which had been vaguely brought Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of the Com-
forward against Sir T. Maitland. What were those mittee on the Beer Duties' Hill.
charges? Ile bad been called a scourge and a tyrant, The Resolotions were read the second time.
and a disgtace to the British name. Was this language, Mr. HOLME SUMNER objected to a. clause which
art' were these charges which ought to be mate against permitted a publican to brew beer in a licensed house,
e.*,,ffirer at a distance from the country, in the discharge and then sell it in a loose which was not licensed.
of his duties, at a time too awl in aln toner that pre. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
eluded any decision upon their truth orfalischood ? He consider that clause could bear any such ioterpretation.
was extremely happy In having this opportunity of
beating testimony Mr. HU SK is the merits of Sir T. Maitland.— Mr. HOLM
ISSON said that if there was any doubt of
F. SU MN ER explained.
Thai diner was. Governor of Ceylon when he (sit.
which Feel).held the office for two years lrbie Hon. Friend the wording of the clause, it would be better to have the
(Mr. Wilmot) now filled so worthily; and he never saw meaning more clearly expressed.
Mr. Alderman WOOD objected to the Bill altogether,
a, men actuated by a greater desire of 'honouring and
raising the British name. He Was not surprised when as it had the effect of levying a Malt Tax of 255. 64. a
Walton. Frientl had found the charges, lately preferred .quarter on the poor wore than on the rich.
against one Governor of the name ofhlaitland, to be tin
Mr. SMITH could not concur in the opinion of the
foundmi, that he should anticipate a similar result to Worthy Alderman.
those made. against another. Time CHANCELIAR of the EXCHEQUER said he
I,,ortt A. HAMILTON- contended that a public man Old not look apes the Bill as altogether perfect. Ile was
WBS liable mimes his «nano, canvassed. and• that the convinced that the principle was good t and be pledged
°bargee az:4W Ste 'f. Maitland were mat& against his himself. if it passed, to watch its operadons, and to sug-
poblic aetri sod spina the tiovermetat. When he gestalt "'Maar! aus"thants,

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Mr. GRATTAN asked if the Bill could be extended to
Ireland ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER begged
leave to remind the Honourable Geutlensan that in Ire-
land there were no beer duties. .
• Mr. ORATIMN explained that it was the system of
licenses which be stashed to have transferred.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted
that the suggestion was worth attending to. A clause
to that effect could not, however, with propriety be intro-
duced into that Bill.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS recommended an ad valore:n duty
on beer.
Mr. VRANKLAND LEWIS approved of the plan ev
tremely, Such a plan was in contemplation of the tats
Chancellor of the Exchequer. But it was ore likely to
sum t with great opposition from the brewers. The pre-
sent was a most rigid and unfair monopoly, not in arti-
cles of luxury, haven one of general consumption.
Mr. F. BUXTON objected to the 'meanie, on the
ground that it imposed an unfair duty on the brewers
whose capitals were already embarked in the trade,
while a lower rote of duty was imposed on the new
race of brewers, which the Bill was calculated to en.;
courage:
The Resolutions were agreed to.
lIISRCHANT VCSSILS APPRANTICEMP tom,.
Ou themodun forreading the Report of the Merchant
Vessels Apprenticeship Bill,
Mr. IU CA IWO objected to the principle of the Bill,
as interfering with the freedom of commercial regula-
tions, and imposing useless and impolitic restraints on
the owners of merchant vessels. It was opposed to
every sound principle, and would not, he was satisfied,
have the effect of adding one more efficient seaman to
the navy.
Mr. HUSKISSON agreed. that whenever any measure
was proposed interfering between employers and the in-
dividuals employed, souse strong n-cessity or political
expediency ought to be shown for it. It had been tlisa
uniform policy of Earl:mama to waiatain the maritime
greatness and strength of this country by measures which
necessarily operated as restriction: slops individual con-
venience. On this principle the Navigation Laws and
Register Acts were founded. The Honourable Member
for Porterlington (Mr. Ricardo) was not perhaps aware.
that there were two descriptions of apprentices. There
was one class in the mature of parish apprentices, whose
service was compulsory ; another class, who went to sea.
voluntarily, to acquire the science and seamanship which.
would enable them to fellothe rof assion. As the law
nom stood. apprentices were liable to tar impressed t the
age of la, but the present measure would protect both
these classes of apprentices up to thtiasge of 21. The
Bill would not only afford this protection to masters of
'merchant vessels, but would- balsiglilv beueficial to the
.naval interests of the country}, by startling the best
means of education to a race of skilful pilots an ,seamen.
Mt. SYKES codipleittesaof the haste with which this
measure had been carried through the House. He trusted-
that no more restrictions would be imposed on the ship-
ping interests of the country.
btr G. COCK BC aNE said that the principal mer-
chants and ship-owners had been consulted as to the ex-
pediency of this measure, and that all palmated the
highest satisfaction at it, and considered it as a boon ex-
tended to the interest with which th-y were connected.
By tl.e protection afforded under this Bil!, apprentices
in merchant vessels might now for the Mg time be-
come second and first mates without bring liable to lin-

pressment.
Mr. MARRYATT bore testimony to the general abi-
lity of the seamen educated in the toirrobentv' service.
The Honourable Member fur Portarlington (Mr. IC-
eardo) objected to the 10fl. ura as a restriction upon the
freedom of trade, but it did not seem to occur to that
Honourable Methber, that this and Many ether allele- • -1
tions might be sound cud salutary. lion4'3rte ;sod
once said, that if he bad a throne of adaman', he be-
lieved the political esunoutists would grind it to powder;
and he (Mr. Marryatt) must say that the political eroaco
mists in this country were ready to wind the- nosy and
shipping interest to powder, rattier than abandon their
favourite theories. lie concurred with the Gallaiit Ad-
miral (Sir U. Uockburne) that the present mensure bad
1.
met movedit un abation of the ship-ownets.
He aan Amendments" That all the words bathe
Bill be emitted after the word repealed."
Mr. BERNAL, although be agreed in the principle
leaving to Merchants the option of taking apprentices
or not, yet recoinnteuled his Honourable Friend (Mr,
Ricardo), not to press his Antenduient, as it would de-
prive
the Merchant service of the protection afforded by
this measure with regard to the liability to impress-
inel4.. . '
Mt. GLADSTONE supported the Hill. He concerted
in the statement, that it had received the unqualified
approbalitos of the Ship-owners.
Sir ISAAC COFFIN approved of the Bill, not only
because it afforded addiuonal protection to the Mer-
chant service, but because it was calculated to maintain
the naval strength of the country.
Mr. BRIGHT expressed his approbation of the Bill,
which was, however, rather a modification of the exist-
ing law, than: anew measure; for, by the 2d and 31 of
Anne, which had never been repealed, Masters of all
vessels,' of above •30 toes, were boned to take one or
pore apprentices, according to the rate, of teenage.
Mr. HUME contended tbs. the present exis'eace of
bad laws was no argument fur the ensciment of others.
If West . India masters were already obliged to take
in, a certain number of apprentices. that was no
reason why the hardship should be made general
In On Statute Book there was an Act, for the
better regulating of stuffing beds, but did it follow,
therefore, that new laws should be made to compel
the opist;laterers to adhere to that Standard ?—('A
laugh.) kle objected to the Bill. as unlikely to realize
those advantages which were expected from it. If sea-
men should happen to be scarce, wages would be high,
and merchants could then procure enough to anitatr
their purposes; bat by these laws of compulsion yoa err
a greater number of sailors than were necessary,
and therefore would compel many well-bred ,ea=ten to
;to to other countries to look for employment. By this
law you would compel many excellent stamen to become
lanthen, while you obliged merchants to the plou to
look for apprentices. The clause to which his Hgh ue.
Friend principally objected, was the compulsory clause,
and so completely did be join him in the necessity of
omitting that clause, that he would divide with hini,even
if he stood alone on it. .
The Gallery was then cleared for a division.
Fur the litll,9s—Against it, 6---Majerity in favour of
the Bill, 79.
WAREBOUSING BILL.
Upon our re.adteission into the gallery. we found the
Report on this Bill in the act of being brought up, and
Mr. WALLACE moved that the Bill be re-cominived
for the purpose of reading certain Atneadineolk
The House having- resolved itself into a Committee.
Mr. GRATTAN objected to that part of tbe Bill
which allowed the warehousing of fares ° linens. wan,'
Out the paying of a transit duty, as west aujuriotts tothe
staple trade of Ireland. .
Mr. WALLACE did not wish to prejudte any i'srt,
ofas
pledged
reeisttloono
0. y
oHnee delidde n; ebtoewihslei itiho
oenornitileielrftl;itontaoeel
who objected, to the Bill were bound to poiutont the Ne
jury that it won)! do.
file O. HILL thought the people of Ireland. bad heen ne
ken unawares. They hod rentainepi quiescent. Bain Doss'
of the wording of last year's, Big, elicit Preinled
to them the benefit of the transit dots. Nnw, whet. was the
aleguage of the Billof this yeti!' His Ileoe.g.rabln 1140

bad legislated for Ireland ; be had decreed. that the prot
Lion of this duty should be taken away in 1943, and
without any notice to those who were so deeply inl
wed. It had been announced. that the Bill would'
read a third time about the 91st of next month, and
would, he had no doubt, be in the mean time great (1'
la Ireland.
Mr. WALLACE repelled the charge of the Honou
Baronet. If he had made an exemption three years ego,
had wade it with an express understanding that It was
to he permanent. He had dons it with a view not to
general priociph!, but with reference to the state of lrel
at the time : he bad, however, stated, that 1., did not
t.) preclude discussion on this part of the subject. The'
immitou was not to he removed for two years, and
would afford ample time for escert.ining what vitas to
effect; he would a'so let the hill lie some time mei,
tars secoud reading, is order that the principle might
fully investigated. Ile did not pledge himself to any
Dials opiniva, but he would say, that he had doubts al
the expediency of grauthig the restriction of the tr
ditty.
Mr. P. RICE thought the general principle In
the continuation; but they ought to be gelded by the
which it would have upon that country, to which it
immediately applied.
AIr.PEEL thought there was a peculiarity In this
Parliament ought to be guided not by the general prim
but by whit eas best for the trade of Ireland, and
'would epatribete moot to the traeredllity -of that emelt
Ireland bad been deprived of her Woollen Trade tut
sake of the Woollen TTail. of England, and therefore it
but just to continue protection to any branch of indt
which she possessed.
Col. 'LARRY ssid, that as the discussion would
conycuiret on the third reading of the Bill, he
fore hoped that the Itiglia tionourahle Genii
would postpone the commitment of the Bill until
the Recess.
• Mr:BENNET regtrded the measure as well of
interear as of importance to !Mond, as connected wi
tranquill tv and welfare.
Mr. WALLACE said, that it was his intention to
in a aim to prevent Foreign Watches being hr
Iwo England, vita w irks calculated to deceive Ca
chasers as if inanufacturrd is England ; sad also a
obliging all Wine in the warehouses to be bott
bottles.
'I hose clauses were brought up and agreed to.
The C:tu3 SCELIAtIi of the EIiCHEQUhE expi
his full concurrence in the eivject of the Bill, and hi
inguess totive the regulation of it his support al
co-operation.
The House mooned, end the Report having
brought up, the Bill was ordered to be printed, an/
read the'ihird time on Monday the :list of April.
The CHANCELLOIt of the RXuHRQU mit gal
fee of his intention to move on Wednesday or
as Address to bla Majernv, for the erection 01
monuments, oneto Lord St:Vincent and another '
Duncan. •
Mr. W. WILLI A3l.Swoved for leave to bring in
tr. prevent tweleionaility voters in Boroughs in Wi
order I,s bate it prim al& andlaid before the House,
sonsaitleretkroeorLeave was thee given.
CRIPPS more& for leave to bring its a
enable county magistrates to grant a premien.
mist!' Perish Appreutiece, They were now allowed t
rn'y 101., whirl' was Cr. tetently a great injury. He,i
fuse, moved, for leaveto bring in a Bill to emend f
fish Apprentimehip Lama.
Sir J. BOIX:HEY said, that at the beginning
Se;sion he had hat an intention of bringing fors
Bill of nearly the wino nature, which he had, hot
jtosteonrdi in comeapance of the notieeof his lion.
As the Bill of his Bun. Friend was not similar to 1
be declared his intention of moving for leave to hi
in, in order to its being printed, and submitted r'
consideration et tile Howe.
Mr. H. A. TAYloirtt asked, if the vegulatic
bleed by the Won.- Member would affect all Parr
preataeta.• -
ate.•CIUPPS replied in the affirmative.
' Leave ex• theo given to bring in the Bill.
NW HUME. liiiiktponeil his motion for presentii
petition. traits the inhabitants of Cape 'Breton
morrow.
Mr. SVESS obtained leave to bri mg in a Bill to
the Act (701 lieu. Ili. cap. 21.) relative to Qum
gistratea in Cities and Towns Corporate.
CONSPIRACY IN IRELAND.
Colonel DARBY rose to move for certain 1.
great ithsptirtance as affecting the discussion whi
to take place oo the 15th of next month. The
*nee of the disettssion which would then take pie
dered the production of all the papers calculi
throw light on the subject nut only useful but arc
As the Hon. Member who would bring the moth
ward on that day would state the whole of the
fully, it was not his intention to enter at large
lie abould merely move for copies of the Wort
on which the commitments of several persons to tl
of Newgate in Dublin for a conspiracy to mur
Lord Lieutenant had been founded. Without
into any detail of the facts attendant on the outra
witted at their Theatre, which (lon forbid he shy
tempt to justify, be would confine his observation)
circumstance strictly connected with his motior
facts which had caused those commitments had f
on the 14th of pct ember, and on the following
venous lad been brought before the Pohl
giatTates in Dublin. After an exaininat
bad been committed to Newgate for the
for is conspiracy to commit a riot. If be shot))
any thing incorrect in the observations which hi
make the Right Honourable and Learned Ge
beneath hint could correct his mistakes.,. Those
son's. I,il been confined in the gaol of Newgate
days, and on the 23d detainers had been lodged
them for a iouspiracy •o kill and murder the Le
tenant. Those detainers bad been lodged not E
hastily. but after dee deliberation. and even upo
vice of the Right lion. and Learned Gentleman
sequeht to the transactions at the Theatre, a g
indeed he did not know he was a gentleman
person named James Forbes, had been taken
suspicion of the conspiracy, but be afterwards
admitted to buil. The motion which be shout(
to the House might have appeared ill timed, if le
waited until the e.r-officio informations bad ft
until the (tight Hon. and Learned Gentleman
ill his soli prosequi! but the production of tit
could not then be any injury to the parties, for
was at ae.end, nor to the public nor to the Go.
To the public and the Government it would rat
adventageous—to the latter, by affording them.)
of exculpating themselves from any charge With
lurk against them ; to the public it would pre
tageops as affording a means of learning the)
it WO* indeed be objected, and lie had no dot
be by lie Right Honourable and Learned tip
that the prodection of them might be product
jury to the Magistrates who hail signed the
manta; hut if those Magistrates had been act
mothers of justice in those commitments, no in)
be sustained by.them • for, unless it was eho,
hhgistrete was aiettut'ted by malice, he belie
Coatis of LaWwotild protect him for his art
those ieforioations there had been much it
placed, for is them had originated the adder
had poured in from all parts of Ireland to the
tenant, and which addeesses bed expressed the
ahhorrvire which pervaded ail classes of the
'.Ehe mntitictlon of those papers would
towe the unjust stigma which had been the
Mentin,lpelend, who could not but entertain f'
ahhoreenerret any act of such diabolical ate
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cake of the Wu tteo Trade of England, and therefore i
Cot'. l ARIL' a,id, that as the discussion would
111, but j;tst to cot tiaras protection to any ►roach of lad
AI a - which she pussaeeed
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conveuiet+t on the third ree ling of the Bill, h• t
kJ, fore hope l tls.t fire Itigfit Hottourahte Groot
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the fteceel.
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' :tIr.BENitIEI'regarded the lneasurr. as well of
t in intense ra of iwpurtance to Ireland, as connected w'
-
:oat trangxill ty and welfare.
I the. Mr. NALLdCE saui, that itwaa Lis intention to
ti
in a cl•.use to prevent Fur+-ign Watches being hr
hick into England, wits w irks rs~cutater! to deceive tft
chasers as if manufactured is Engiaad ; sad atw a
o and übligittg ell !Vine in file warehouses to be bolt
nber
,ware !'hose
['here
whose his full.concurr nee io the al+ject of the Llill, and hi
to sea ingurss at i ire the regulation of it his support a
ehich
is law The Iluuse acaamed+ snit the l{rpcK having
e the i+rought up, the hill ors unhered to be printed. rn
both sea the riled titneun ,Uunday the±lst of April.
ters of t'ce of his intrados to nova reel Wednesday u
to as Address to Ida Majesty, for the erection o
e best monuments, oneto Lord St.-Vincent and another t
Moen- Duncan. •
li this Mr. %V. WILLIAMMutoved for leave to bring in
,rusted- ts. prevent uccielonaility voters in Boroughs in W
3 ship. order to have it Outlet sod laid before the House
considerettutee.-.Leave was thee given.
.1 mer- Mr. CHIC'S moved for leave to bring in a
the es- enable county magistrates to grant a premise.
ed
the %stet Perish Appreutiosto, They were now allowed t
nun ex- en'y 10!., whirl' was friquently a great injury. Hr,
'netted. • fu. e, moved, far keret° bring in a Hill to amend
rentices fists Apprentic.alsip LOW'.
lime be- Sir J. BOCtild EY said, that at the beginning
e to dn. sr;sion he hail bat an intention of bringing for
Bill of nearly the seine nature, which he had, ho
real abi- positioned; in constipates of the notice of his lion. It
service. • As the Bill of his (dun. Friend wet not similar to h'
Mr. IC- be declared his intention of moving for leave to b
on the in, in order to its brina printed, and submitted al
to that consideration 4 the Howse.
• afar-ie. . - • •Mr. H. A. TAYLOR asked., if the vegulatio
rte beet potted by the Woo.- Member would affect all Par'
•he bi- prestige*. -
pawder ; afr.•CIUPPS replied in the affirmative.
I 1 CM 30.. ' Leave op,. theo given to bring in the Bill.
levy and
Nir:llolE:liiitktpoliell his motion for presenti
lon their petition. traits the inhabitants of Cape 'Breton
last Ad- morrow.
lure bad Mr. SiliSS obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
-awaeta. the Act (7th time ILL cap. 21.) relative to Qaor
de in the gistrates in Cities and Towns Corporate.
CONSPIRACY IN IRELAND.
principle ' •
Colonel BARRY rose to move for certain pa
iprentires
end (Mr. greet iespertance as effecting the discussion wh
would de- , eo take place os the 15th of next month. The '
'corded by *nee of the diseassion which would then take pie
impress- dered the production of all the papers calcol
throw light on the subject nut only useful but ae
:pomml As the Hon. Member who would bring the tnoti
e
Lomeli tied ward on that day would state the whole of the
fully, it was not his intention to enter at large
not only
lie sbould merely move for copies of the infor
-.
the Mer- on which the commitments of several persons to t
• maintain of Neweate in Dublin for a conspiracy to mu
Lord Lieutenant had been founded. Without
I the Bill, into any detail of the facts attendant on the outra
the exist-
witted a,t their Theatre, which (ion forbid he sh
and 3,1 of tempt to justify, be would confine his observation
tees of all circumstance strictly connected with his motio
ke one or facts whicli had caused those commitments had
on the 14th of Des ember, and on the following
nine.
Eis.eoce of pereons had been brought before the Poll
of other.. gist:ales in Dublin. After an examined°
ed to take bad been cotuniitted to Newgate for the
t was DO for a conspiracy to commit a riot. If be shoe
e general ' any thing incorrect in the observations which h
1, for the make the Right Honourable and Learned Cie
.• it follow, beneath bitia could correct his mistakes.,. Those
to compel son's. !pa been confined in the gaol of Newgate
Bard ?—(A days, and on the 23d detainers had been lodged
them for a touspiracy •o kill and murder the
y to realize
it. I f sea- tenant. Those detainers had been lodged not li
Id be high, tastily, but after dee deliberation. and even upo
to answer vice of the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman
on you err-
sequebt to the transactions at the Theatre, a ge
necessary,
indeed he didnot know be was a gentleman o
teateen to person named James Forbes, had been taken
t. Hy this sw•pician of the conspiracy, but he afterwards
nto become admitted to bill. The motion which be Atoll
e ploub to to the House might have appeared ill timed, if It
-.1 his gHoc waited moil the ea-officio informations had fa
nor clause, until the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman I
y
ity of ed his coil prosequi! bit the production of tho
necess
ith hiM,even could not then be any injury to the parties, for
wits at amend, nor to the public nor to the Go
To the public and the Goyerntuent it would rat
•n.
in favour of 1- advantageous—to the latter, by affording theta
of exculpating themselves from any charge wh
lurk against them ; to the public it would pr
tageous as affording a means of learning the
it-maight indeed be objected, and he had no do
be by lie Right Honourable and Learned t;
that the prodection of them might be product
jury to the Magistrates who had signed the
wo
egiiols.clts.:u:p",:intld: '
Committee. manta; hail' those Magistrates had been ac
• of she Bill metiers of justice in those commitments, no inj
i linens-with be sustained by.them • for, unless it was eho
jurittos mine •• hlagistrate was actuated by malice, he ',elite
totals of LaWaviild protect him for his art
- thew ieforinations there had been much i
re
placed, for is them had originated the addre
'alPi'learniv'in!¶'ss'il bed-Poured in from all parts of Ireland to the
eta tlia thaef tenant, end which addeesses bad expressed the
lout out they 'abhorrence which pervaded ail classes of the
at had best Ila' mot.. :Ehenrothiction of those papers would a
stigma which had been tit
;cent ie owellb titherelg7ttei
die* &ow". o could not but entertain t
rifle 10 ablosertenete.et any set of such diebolical etrocie
oparabht was no doubt that at the time there might be pe
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