The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-04-06 00:00:00

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qtlP,ti,in should not be agitated till after the Re-
iii.rt ut Agricultnril Committer had been herder
I !louse, he hoped his Hou. Friend would uithdriw
it in obedience to that wish.
Mr. DAVENPORT concurred in the hope of the
I:on. Member who spoke last, that the motion would
1. withdrawn for the present.
Mr. J. RENETT supporte.l the motion. He olepre-
.!eol the tax un husbandry !tortes as one of the most
oimpresiive and unequal taxes. The Hon. Member who
proposed a tax upon hot-houses and green-houses was
iiot aware perhaps that such a tax would defeat its
•n•l, alit would have the effect of destroying the ope-
►.,tiun date tax upon glass in those rase..
An Hox. Mamoru moiler the Oalle y said a few
words in support of the motion. H•• wishe•l to know
orom the Chancellor of the Exrhr•iner, whe:l.er the
indow-tax af•icted the windows of Colleges as well
it other buildings.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER asked
':nether it was the intention of the Honourable Metu-
'.•.•r for Cumberland to withdraw his motion'? In re.
oily to the question of the Hon. Member opposite, he
►. oil to say that the windows of Colleges raid as other
windows.
Mr.CIAWEN said, that if the Right Honourable
tientleman opposite would pledge himself to meet the.,
•i•testion at a future period, be wool I withdraw his
mafiosi in obedience to the wish of the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
he did not wish to pledge himself to any course of
proceeding on this question till he should have heard
:he Report of the Committee on Agriculture. The.
lion. Oetttlemen opposite seemed to differ among'
themselves on the subject, and as fat ■s he was able to
indge, he must say, he had not heard of any thing
which could compensate for the loss of 500,000/.
a the Revrnn••, winch was the amount derived from
t his tax. After lie should hare beard the Report of
the Committee, be might, perhaps, be induced to
a:zree with the Hon. Mover; but if he were called upon
:0 proceed at present he should oppose him.
Sir T. LETHRRIDUE was satisfied that the coun-
t ry would consider the repeal of the Husbandry Horse
as a great relief. He did not wish to undervalue
;'u• opition of the Committee up stairs; he must say
• hat he thought it w.•uld be much better for the House
•a grant this small boon to the Ag•ricul•urista at
•'ie present moment, without waiting for any
tl.ing. Such a step would produce a favourable
e.feet ninon the country in general.
Mr. UI PPS thought the motion would come with
rester weight after the Report of the Agricultural
t (nominee.
Mr. RICARDO said he should vote for the repeal
► f this tax for the sante reason as be had given a si-
milar vote on the question of the Malt Tax ; not that
• hey were load taxes, but on the score of economy.
.le was willing to vote for time reduction of taxes to
::ie amount of the Sinking maim, which was a mere
Wi:h respect to the statement of the Hon.
.leumber for Catasherlantl (Mr. Curwen.) he had only
• ► say that he was very glad to hear that the Monarchs
Europe bad turned Coen Merchants: for be was in
:►opes they would be able to make better bargains with
t!.ton.
Mr. BARING regretted. that time Hon. Member for
`4emersetsliire (Sir 'l'. Lethbridge) had thought pro-
ffer to introduce some observations in the ronrse of this
itiscussion, which were perfectly uncalled for by the
.inestion before the House. Such observations came

Lord did not believe that the distresses
of the agrienltotrists were properly appreciated by the
Aleinhe:s of that Honse,.mil socially hr Cie Aleut-
hers of leis Maksty's Uovermorot. Though a Com-
mittee had been appointed to inspire into the present
agricultural distress he was lot to believe, fpm the
rumours which were abroad, that 11in;sters had come
into the Co.mnittee in olonlst to the existence of
that distress. On this sohjert he thought they ought
to have made np their minds before ;ranting
Ate
Co limittee. Tise Rill Ills liononrabte Friend wished
to introtloce lie thought might be bronglst in, and iii
could then he suspended in its stages till the Com-
tnittee made their Report. lie then described the dist.,
tressed eate of the Stoolterts fatalities, anti de/tribal
large tracts of land to lie unoccupied with little pram"
pests of their landlord's titstliag tenants. Ile contd.,
tiered the tax to press severely on the agriculturist, I
anal shoal.' therefore vote fair its repeal on a principle
different items that on which on a former evening. he
spools have voted for the repeal of the Malt-lax had
he been present. Ile tchontil vote for the repeal of
the Agricultural klo:se "las to relieve the landed in-1
terest ; for the repeal of the Malt Tax he would have
voted on the principle laid down by the Member for
Portarlington. sad on toot contentleti for by the'
Member for .Rippon, to compel the Alinistry to hrrol
recourse to a sestein.of retretwitment anal econoinv•
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER 01.1
plained.
Mr. CI:RWEN, onslerstantlinz the Right lion.
Hentleman to say, that in the event of the removal of 1
this tax being strouttey recotnusen•lcd by the Com-
mittee in their report, lie would be disposed t t con-
sider of the point of cancelling the boon ; under-
scantling this to lw the intention of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, Ise unthiniceilly shoull think it his
duty to give way. Ile, however, ',egged to s•ate, that
if the Committee failed to make their report till a very
late period of the Session, hr should feel hiroself at
liberty to bring the ssaikject forward again.
'llse CHANCELLOR of the ENCHE4L'EIt thought
nothing 1110fe fair than that the Hole. Gentleman
should have in Isis own breast the right of reviving
the motion, if the Report of the Committee should he
so long delayed as to make it probable that traitinz
for that, no practical meastur could be adopted in the
course of the present Session. lie then repeated what
he had previously stated as to the course which he
should feel it his alloy to pursue on the report of the
Cummitte being made.
)Ir. IL I' thought it right to state, that if
in the event of the Alalt Tax being repealed, the Chan-
cellor of the Exeldropirr should propose a sub-
stitute fur it, he should" feel it his date to oppote it.
He would not consent to the removal of a tax from
one class, if it was intetssletl to impose it un others.
'floe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
, served to himself the right of proposing another tax
'as a substitute for the Malt Tax, if it should he repeal-
ed, and it would then be for the House to ilete.oline
which would be the least oppressive.
After a taw words front 31r. Alderman C. lutrui
Mr. D. Hams ts, and another Hon. Member, • 1
Lord Maw MPH said, if the. Right Him. Oentle•
man pledged himself to tahe oil the tax, if this .would
he fetiO 1111 l ;rude,' in the Report of the Committee, h.•
would consent to the motion loping a ithdrawn ; but if
the l'isancellor of the Eschesiorr declined giving such
a pledge Ise should wish the question to be pressed to
a division.
Mr. F. LEWIS rose, but the call for the qnestion

'aid, peculiar ill grace from Gentlemen. who, like
bein vet
i .'
r Hon. Member for Somersetshire, bad never, in a g y loud, the Hon. Menther resumed his seat,
and floe Gallery was cleare.l. We, however. under
..ngle instance. refused their support to his Majesty's
.‘Lnisters, and who, after having eased themselves of stn mil that no division took place, and that the motion
..! . Intrthens of the public expenditure, by borrowing was wituolrawn.
B INii, CASH PAYMENT BILL.
ononey of others, were now ready to cheat the public
o.:1-slitor (for he could use no other language) of the On the Order ut the e
oil the Bank Cash Payments
__ l'iay loving moved tow the House
,aoney which hail been advanced fur their relief. lie g°ing into a Committe
dni not apprehend, however, thallhe opinions of the Bill,
t.!on. :Umber fur Somersetshire were likely Whe much Mr. BARING said, he ronsidered the snhject of
, anntenance•l, or to make much progress in the colon. such importance that he thought it desirable that it
:•.v. He could not but express souse surprise to hear •hoonlol he re-considered. lie then fore moved that it
f!*s Hon. Friend behind him (Mr. Ricardo), who ad- should be an instruction to the Committee to reconsider
eveated the sound principles on the subject of the Na- the provisions of an Act of the gilt lieu. 111., cap. 49.
t ;anal Debt, declare his determination to Yale for the with a view to amend the same, for the purpose of al-
tepeal of any Taxes as long as the Sinking Fond re- leviating the presssise which the said Act might pro-
mained, for his argument went that length. Ulm ball dare on several liranclies of public industry.
os'oierted only to the mode of keeping the accounts of j The CIUNCELLOt o
often ebated—ha
concur with bins, for it was calculated only to puzzle fully considered two years ago, when that measure
and confuse. But to say that a Sinking rand ought was adopted, which Ile hoped the House would not
not to be maintained, was in effect to say that the depart from, that he should not now enter into details.
.1 onntry should go on burrowing, as long as fools Ile conld not agree will the present proposition.
enough could be found to lend their nuttier, and that Mr. ELLICE would he wiling to follow the exam-
i a security should be offered to the creditor.—(Dear.) pl.. of the Chancellor of the Exo•heliter, he not going
—.With respect to the repeal of the present Tax, he inn) details if lie could be satisli-oi that one more
opportunity for discussing this subject would be
slot not think it was calculated to afford much relief to
tile agricultural interests; nor slid he think that much afforded.
'llse CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said.
snore information than Hon. Oentlemen already poi.
mwssell upon the subject, was likely to be obtained by the Hon. lientleniao might have another oppoortnnity
waiting for the Report of the Comaoritee. For Ms own ortataling this stibject at length, he tooting that the
t.art, he bail always considered the maintenance of the debate should stand adjourned till Monday.
finances of the country an object of essential import- Mr- RENNEN' wkheil to know, if on Mondae
since, and he thought the country would he better able this question wonlii he *Booed prurity over every
to engage in any contest, or c .pee with any difficulties, other. Ile complained of the delays which had oc:
wi•lo a strong finance than with a strong military or rimed, and lisped that son Monday the debate would
be brought on in good time, and not be put off till esi
a..oval establishment. ,
• Mr. cALuitArr said, that he was **desirous tokeep o'clock in the morning.
top the financial credit of the country as his lion. Friend Mr. ELLICE, wishing this question to come on wheal.
CA' Member for Taunton could possibly he, hut with it could be fully debated, acquitted the Right Hoe.
r sspezq to the question of keeping up a 'Sinking Feud, iieotientan of all blame f
orits postponement on the
i; was necessary to consider Imo* far the comforts and
• weans of the people wooill enable us to do so. Such present occasion. He rather ecnn'idered the Right Illi'
nourable Heinle:min to be elotitled to thanks fur having
. • wig the state of the country, and such the situation of
iven wa
particular classes of the rommunity, that it was gy, that another subject, more pressing in its
better, even with a view to keeping sip the national nature, might come on, at the soggestion of the Right
credit, to relax a certain part a the public bur- Hon. tientleman, the President of the Board of Trade.
then, than to press the good people to extremity. Let The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved.
irir army .and nave establishments be reduced, and that that the Committee should adjourn till Monday.
reolnetion %email afford ikte very means of keeping np the ..
Sinking Pim&The Committee He did not object to the Sinking Fund, Ihe motion was agreed to. •
tent to tlie manner in which the Sinking Feed was em- on the Irish Bank Cash Parses*
played. The Sinkins; Feud was- in . fact a board of Bill was postponeol till the same slay. * -.•-
money kept up at a • .at 'silence. and taken from the neacnasie IN Tum TIMMER TRAWL •
people at inconvenieut periods, and by hard means. It Mr. RARING presented a petition from we Mess
was a large treasure amassed ender the name of a Sink. chants of London trading to the North 4 swops%
ire g Fund, snot lavished at pleasure by time tiovernment.
praying for such an adjastasent of the ditties on Time
Was that the way to economise, or save the resources of
ber as sboald promote the general interests of tholes*.
the people? The money would be the muds safer, he
contended, in the pockets of the people, both as a seen- IliallilY•
• rite for themselves, ...all a resource for the State. than it Mr. J. P. GRANT wished to know whether ail
was even in the hands 14 .the Commissioners fur die represeatatione had been made by the Ambabledett
charging the public debt. With respect to the ,f Swedes and Norway, un the subject of Use 'haw
I•-fore the Haase, be eloopld certainly sapper' it ff Trade
• Hon. Friend thought raper to press It to a OA . Mr. WA LLACBsaid. there had bees represeatatiase
bat he amid not key *kiting th4t be would raneest to
postpone it until after this Report of the Agrieultural on the
Mr. uthiM ARReet•
YAT wished to know whether soy
Committee.
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