The Statesman.
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in the House of Peers, in 1815, a discuseloa had tam
place upon it, and he (Lord Castlereagh) had then bed
an opportunity of stating the grounds of the forbeek-
ance of this dovernwent with respect to Austria, and
the reasons then given had appeared perfectly satisfac-
tory to both Houses. Since that period an effort had
been made to realise a part of the money ; but it bad
not been a snccessfsil one. On the correspondence
which took place en that occasion would be seen the
grounds upon which Austria refused to comply. He
did lidt mean to go into the merits of the question ; but
several subsidiary arrangements had been made with
Austria subsequent to this original one without the debt
being brought nearer too settlement. He did not wish to he
understood as throwing the blame on any one, but it
Wit, a fact that arrearsof subsidy were made to Austria
in 1795, without setting off the arrears of subsidy to the
ounsteadiag debt. The Noble Lord, in conclusion, re
veled his hope that the House would not go into a dis-
cussion of the merits of the question until the papers
were prodreed. They were very voluminous, and the
House would see from these that there had been man
diSculties in the way of settling these accounts with

Austria. -
Sir JOHN NEWPORT remarked, that the Noble
Lord (Lord Castlereagh) seemed to think, that be-
cause five yawl ago there bad been a discussion on
this subject in another place, that was a satisfactory
reason for not going into the question then. As his
Hen. Friend who made this motion had said, what-
ever were the distresses of Austria formerly, that ar-
Asuusent in her favor no longer existed, as by her own
art she showed. With respect to the present motion
before the House, there was not only question of a
debt from Austria to this country, but one from that
House to the country,which was, whether they should
burden the country with fresh impositions, when there
was 17 millions due to it? He certainly was surprised,
when be considered that the first principle of the
Holy Alliance was good faith, that this debt should
now remain to be claimed. When the loan was made.
Mc Pitt was so satisfied as to the solidity of the Aus-
trian faith, that he made one of the strongest assert:-
_ ratio's on the subject in that !louse that had ever
beet made. The Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castle-
resigh,) being heir to Mr. Pitt's power and principles,
must take the incumbrances with the inheritance, and
with his power and principles perform what he VW
tanteed. Ile (Sir J. Newport) could not help recol-
lecting the soletnu phrophecy of Mr. Fox upon that
occasion, that this loan, if made, would remain for
ever a debt to this country.
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that he bad never
said that the discussion which had taken place in 1815,
on this subject, was in any way calculated to do away
the debt of Austria with this country, or the propriety
of demanding it.
The motion was then put and agreed to.
ARMY ESTIMATES.
Ou the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Exam-
oeut„ the House resolved itself into a Committee of
Supply.
The proposed vote in supply, of 01,468 men, for
the lead forces of his Majesty, the consideration of
w'aich bad been adjourned on a former evening, hav-
ing been read,
Colonel MACDONALD rose to repeat the pledge be
had gives on a former night to propose a reduction of
10,0181 men from the proposed amount of the army; and
fivling, as be did, that the discussion which occurred
tine other night, was most conclusive in support of that
proposition, and . knowing that there were other Hon.
embers. whose indefatigable industry ins these sub-
jects, entitled them to the hest attention of the House,
were likely to address them, he felt that it would be bad
taste is him to occupy much of their time. His con-
• Tidiest was that the case of the other side of the House,
Nit was stated the other night, would not go to justify
gore than 60,000 men. But be saw no reasonable ape-
. leigy for voting more than 71,000. lie did not mean in
any way to letter or embarrass the Government as to the
Immediate points upon which this reduction should be
marleerhether in the new colonies, at borne, or in the
• till oafs. But be hoped the Committee would see with
him, that the time was come, when if it was really es-
. pedient to exact economy, the only way was to limit
useless expenditure. Lest any one should suppose
dela his proposition tended to leave the country with-
, mat an adequate force hi case of emergency, he would
. . endeavour to make it so apparent to the contrary, as to
send that person home to bed without apprehension.
Supposing even that 30,000 men should be employed
for the protection of the Colonies, that would leave
this countty 50,000, including the Artillery corps;
add to which 15,000 Veterans, which they had seen
equipped in so short a period, and there would be a
„toree 41f 65,000 disposable troops. Besides these,
there were 20,400 Volunteers, which, with the addi-
tion of the Militia, world leave, in case of any internal
sweetish) , a force of 200,1100 men to be called into use.
11* hoped this was a sufficient force to quiet the teasel
toTthe most timid. The Right Honourable Gentleness
• . opposite, at the head of the Woods and Forests, con-
. eluded his speech the other night by expatiating on
the-necessity of this country keeping itself in a position
••1/41%enable her to assert her dignity. It was for that
• • eery purpose that Gentlemen on his (Colonel Mac-
'•' :41t6sald's9 side pause House were labouring. It might
- •he slid that so financial embarrassments could ever
• the effect of vedeeing this grant nation to a state
.
• • “,,,secompatible with the assertion of its dignity. He was
. • • "A IN to concur in this hope, and was convinced
*, slosedf.ever it were reduced to such a state, it could
Jealthe from the infatuation of a Government which
. de/000w give the country an opportunity of recruit-
-InOs
.energies after the unparalleled struggle
,ievleiet.o4.llad beep engaged. He could not sit down
imploripg the House to weigh well the gra-
' ,atjerof the questiou they were called upon to decide.
.4•Tlepikin. Member moved, That instead of $1,4614,
• • ,listeerleid 71,648 land forces, &c.
• r •11..ylVIAN rose for the purpose of endeavour-
i_yee to point out to theCominittee the impracticability,
•fil.. the • present state of our garrisons abroad, of re-
4utskor She proposed vote of men. If the Committee
• . seemed
.to the Army Estimates, they would final that
the number of roes which it was proposed to retain in
(..eliamet Betels std Ireland was 49,630. If from those
....seen deducted the goat& and garrisons, viz. 17,821,
vsad then, the ,adsorbs of 10,000 moved for by the
;..,.Ilosmoraklp giatkosaa, there would re ail this
. • , rountrysn9..move this 10,809 disposable troops.—
~ (An Iloopewthlenembet observed across the table,
,that there womlll also ke the (herds). He (Sir H.
Gnu& as disposable
world then advert to the
""-•." oar stations abroad.
Into several &co-
-1 a disposable force,
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and dieeipifitp
tern From foreign at;
leg been nine years could
only about three years at Inane before they must be
tent abroad again. Would that he fair ? It was also
necessary that we should he prepared fur any sudden
emergency, Id order to strike an effectual blow at the
enemy; and althoneh he was very ready to admit
that the nary was the billwark of the country. he be-
lieved that foreign powers would be mach less likely
to commit any aggressiou towards us if we were pre-
pared with troops to repel it. We ought always to
he prepared to maintain the high station which we
held among the nations of Europe ; and he trusted
that Englishmen would never be altogether reduced
to what Bonaparte had insultingly called them, " a
nation of shop-keepers." Ile (Sir Il.Viviro) had
always snpported the measures of the Noble Lord on
the Treasury Bench, becanse those measures had
always appeared to him to he calculated for the pub-
lic good. But the Noble Lord had better supporters
in the House than he (Sir 11. V.) was. lie bail the
support of the Hot ttttt ratile Meinher for Aberdeen—
(Hear, and a laugh). Certain he was, that if that
Honourable Member continued proceedings as
he had commenveol the other evening, Ow result
would be a powerful Actession of (tieptls to the Noble

Lord.
Mr. MACDONALD explained.
Mr. N. CA Li" ERT supported the amendment.
There were three &dm:lions of considerable magni-
bole, which, in leis opinion, might be must advan-
tageously made. In the first place, he thought we
might very beneficially divest ourselves of Gibraltar,
which cost us half a milli in atilinally it( peace, and
double that amount in war. Gibraltar had no har-
bour, it did not (as was frequently suppose I) command
the entrance of the Mediterranean, and he was per-
suaded that we should he lunch better without it. In
the second place, he thought tie might save a very
considerable expense by getting rid of all cootie:don
whatever wills the leatia et Isles. In the third place,
he thought that we ttii;;ltt reduce half the household
troops, and substitute an at toed police under the au-
thority of the civil tme( —4 means of prewrving pub-
lic order, which 1,01111011 Was the only capital iu gerope
without.
Mr. HUME expressrd his dissent from the last
speaker, with respeet to Gibraltar and the Nolan
Islands. He only deity" to see the latter colony
forced to maintain itself. With reference to what had
fallen from the lion. amyl II illant °firer opposite (Sir
11. Vivian) lie was ready to admit that lie was one of
the Noble Lord's (Lord Castlereagh's) host friends ;
and if the Noble Lord could only he sensible of it, and
follow his advice, lie would place him beyond the
reach of any harm.—(A laugh.)—As to what passed
the other night, there must be blame on tine side or
the other ; but it was • plan that the Honourable
and Gallant Gentleman belonged to the unreason-
able party, and he (tlr. Hume) to the reasonable
one.—(Laughter.)—One of the arguments of the
Gallant Member against reducing the present esta-
blishment down to the standard of 17n7 or 1792,
I was that in (how years we were in a state of
perfect tranquillity and peace. Ile should like to
know how the tiallanalencral could wake unt that we
were not in this state in the year I tit2l. He said that
they ought to he prepaidd to interfere in the state of
Italy; but the Noble Lod (Lord Castlereails) had
controverted this reason by saying that this could he
no excuse for adding a mingle man to the army. The
Gallant Gem•ral hail stated that I 7,U2 I wen of the ex-
isting military establishment were nut uaeful for colo-
nial purposes, whiles the two Noble Lords opposite
said they wanted these troops in couseqoence of the
addition to the colonies. Let them wittier half of
them, and there would be still° of the ten whose re-
duction was desired. The two Noble Louis opposite
(Lords Castlereagh and Pahnerston) had taken great
credit to themselves fur the saving in the Commissa-
riat Department of 74,0001. and also of 50,0001. fur
the Yeomanry. The fact, however was, that there
WaS no saving at all wailer these heads. The expense
of the Commissariat Department in Itil s, was
394,00014 in 1.49, 330,04101; in 1820, 476,000/4
so that this saving, as it was called, did not even
bring us back to the year Ittiti.—(llear, hear.)—
It was the same with the Barrack Department
—the savings consisted of sums laid on in 1Z420
and taken off in part in the present year. The gal-
lant Lord (Lord Palmerston) talked of being about
to reduce I I regiments, by which a saving of 145,11110/.
would accrue. Why, this was not the amount of the ,
most of live battalions. The reason of this w is, that
it was the veteran regiments that were reduced, and
not regulars; the veterans retiring out full pay, and
the men upon a higher rate of pension than the pri-
vates of the regulars. The pay of the officers of a
veteran battalion 10011 strong, amounted is( pay. al-
lowances and cluthin:, to 31,509/. When reduced,',
there would be fur the retired pay of the officers
7,5201. fur the met( at SA. per day, being 2.1. more
than full pay formerly—there n mild he 12,0001.1
making the whole expense 19,5.20!. The saving
therefore upon the rriluttion of a veteran
battalion. j
was 12,0001. The amnion of pay for the officers of
a marching regiment, when reduced, was 3,739/.--of
the men, at six-pence per day, 6,311111.—t0tal 11,039/.
being a saving of upwards of 20,000 f. Taking away
from tlis, the amount of the saving on a veteran'
battalion, theme woald be in the reducti n of test
regiments of regulars a saving of eighty thoofifind
ur
one hundred ti ttttt sand pounds. lie had a right
therefore to complain of want of economy in the
selection of regiments for reduction. Ibe Hon.
Gentleman, in referring to the state of our Colonies
observed, that he understood there were several thou-
sand native troops in Ceylon, for an account of
which he should move to-morrow. There were
several regiments of the satue nature at the Cape
of GJod Hope; and in Canada there used to be a
large militia. The number of 32,0011 men for the
Colonies was toe great by many theasands. had
omitted in his estimate of the internal twili lOree
thirty-eight regiments of Irish militia, to wh h iere
attached no less than 1000 &Seers. He funlwersted
the numbers of the English militia, the yeomanry,
and volunteers, and showed that altogether we had at pre-
sent a body of 307,000 men In anus, or rawly to he called
upon should their services he wanting. la the present cir-
cumstances of the country, he, woad ask, ought the
Members of that House to supped SO *Omar's* no
establishment? Should this be atatineed, if say
sato afterwards should amnesia of agricalteni or

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ought not to be
would be entitled
the present nil
11 various part, to
by the Noble Lord opposite, and argued that from
►
own showing it resulted that at present there were too
many officers for the number of men to be commanded;
and on a view of die whole he was satisfied that a re-
duction of 20,0110 men ought now to take place. The
Staff, which in 1192 cost the country 17,1211. created
an expense in Ltso2 of 19,-13-11. and now amounted to
no less than 80,0001., as appeared from the estimate
on their table. This was an expense greatly dispro--
portioned to the means, as well as the necessities of
the country. Ile had no hesitation in sayihi, that
millions might be saved to the country. After 'hew-
, lag that we had a body of 2011,000 men eitHer in arms
or liable to be called upon in case their services were
wanting, lie thought he could not justly be regaadcd
as a visionary, or as one disposed to risk the peace of
the country, when he suggested that a reduction of
20,000 men might take place. Were this dune,there would
he a saving in pay of .1;14`1,4,2511
In barracks, Commissariat, and Extraordinaries, 434,7301.
The expense for Garrison Duty, &c. now amonat-
ing to 34.0001• might be reduced 5u as to give a
211, ,
saving of
9001
On the Military College there might he effected a
'mimic of - - - 13.0001.
On the Asylum. one of - - - 3,0001.
And on the Ilalf-pay there might he a saving of 100,0110/.
This might be ac • ;dished by bringing forward Offi-
cers now on half-pay when new commissions were is-
sued. He would slsew that since I'4lo, the Duke of
York had appointed 1,105 new Commissions, and
adopting tiii course instead of hritsging, forward offi-
cers on the half-pay list, taking the Commissions a
twelve years purchase, the patronage of his Royal
Highness the Duke of York, cost the country
718,11011/. I u the present ilistress.al state of the
country, he would say again this system ought not to
be persevered in. It had been said that if tie reduc-
tions he had recommended were made it would dis-
tress the officers now on half-pay. lie admitted that
their distress at present was great, but complained of
the Foreign Enlistment Rill, which prevented them
from maintaining themselves and their families its
comfort by opposing usurpation and tyranny. Instead
of appointing voting (Avers on all occasions, it was
his opinion, that individuals ought to be brought for-
ward from the half-pay list who were willing to serve.
He hoped Members would not be lulled into an idea
when a reduction of 111,11011 men was called for, that
merely a paltry saving was recommended, as the an-
nual expenditure would at once he diminished (as be
lead shown) by 750,0110/. and that with perfect safety
to the country, and without creating dissatisfaction
anywhere. Its his opinion, no man in that House
would In Isis duty to leis country who slid not on time
present occasion vote fur the moderate reduction of
10,000 men,
Sir 11. VIVIAN explained.
Sir 11. HARMING said, the system of the Guard.
load been imptired into by the Finance Con 0000 ittee of
I ril 7, and it had been reported by them to require nu
alteration, as they were satisfied that the same num-
bers conlil not be kept up at a cheaper rate. For the
expense said to he lavished on the dress of the Guards,
he had to remark, that it was known to every military
Mall, that the expense of a change in their dress most
fill on the Colonel, and not on the country. With
respect to the Guards' efficiency, it had been said they
were not so available as troops of the line, because
they were sationary in Europe. But during the Atne-
rican war, the Guards had served in America. Had
they nut also served in Egypt ? For his part, lie
knew of nothing that could oppose their being sent to
Botany Bay toonorrow, if their services should he re-
spired. there. lie showed that the Guards had been
most actively regard during the war, and that far
from being kept tip fur vain parade, they had to per-
form snitch more severe duty than ordinarily fell te
the share of the troops of the line, or to those
serving in garrison. As to the statement that I
the Guards' establishment was overgrown, it was
a mistake to suppose that it had been esteemed.
The only increase that had taken place, was the addi-
tion of Light-infantry, but the same addition had he se
made to Reginseetta of the Line. It had beets said that
the price of labour had advanced but as from four to
five, while /he pay of the troops had been doubled.—
This w a misconception. Formerly, it was trite,
the spittle', received very little pay, but then his al-
)(mances for liallassountings, arrears, and other things
wt re e considerable ; and he ronsidered it to be
an advantage to die public that these bad been done
away and the pay augmented. The question now was,
whether Or nut the pay was excessive. The soldier at
present received one shilling per day. From this a
reduction of sixpence was made for his rations of bread
and meat. This was an advantage to the soldier when
provi•ioas were dear, and a benefit to the public when
they were cheap. Omit of the remaining sixpence the
soldier had to find himself in shirts, stocks, shoes,
pipe-clay, stockings, 11;e. A very economical soldier,
after providing himself with these articles would have
about two-pence halfpenny or two pence three fat/ things'
to apen,l in a day on beer, tobacco, and similar luxu-
ries. This two-pence halfpenny, or two-pence three
farthings, was the only tangible part of Isis income,
and if a saving of ten per cent. was made on the
soldiers pay it must be on that. lie explained soil de-
fended the present system of reliefs. Fur Gibraltar,
which one lion. Member had proposed to give up, he,
as a military tuan, might have prejudices on the sub-
ject, but he was of opinion that its possession was of
no small importance to this country. During the late
war it had furnis:sed supplies to the squadron of Sir
James Samoan% in consequence of which be was en-
' abled to pursue the enemy's fleet which had passed on
to Algiers, and obtain considerable advantages which
could not have been obtained had not Gibraltar,
been ours.
Mr.CALVERT said that at that time Malta was
not in onr posseessinn.
Mr. GOULBURN then applied himself to answer
the charges against the military establishment in the
colonies; especially in the Mediterranean Colonies
and Mt. Helena. In 17112 the garrison of Gibraltar,
the only one we had in the Mediterranean, had 3,33$
men. Malta it was universally acknowledged. required
as large a (wises as Gibraltar; yet with Malta and
the loniaa Isles our force had only increased to 7,000
Ewa. In St. Helena, the cause of so great a fetes was
the sense of the importance of the custody of Boaaparfe.
and the wish at the same time to subject bins to little

force maintained in them.
,:ntnl
them,
eorrespoaleeee
with the colonies on this subject, the colonies declared,
that if an unlimited trade was ivethey seism
their x •be
dc
ar
willingly pay for their own defence.—(Hear.)
Colonial policy of this couanytrtyhe esp not.n eto e
wa
su
incidentally, nor could it be settled in a mere calm
lation of expence. The Hun. Member said, that the
new Colonies, which were governed by the Crewe,
and which did not now p
risons, would do so, if they were admitted to the gar.
ari
smis, i.vileges of the British Constitution. lie (Mr. 0.) wished
the Hon. Member had given any instance of their wil•
uelPtt
lingness to provide for troops.—(llear, hear.)--Noise
of those Colonies which were governed by c0,„5t,,,.
Lions, provided for any part of the gar
Jamaica, while some of the new Colonies The
Hon. Member then, in *newer to the statement of a
Gallant General (sir It. Wilson), that the Dtrhie
vernor of the Cape, before it was taken, hativiefeued
the whole of the military, as well as civil cavalry; of
the Colony, out of its revenue, observed, deo thes
statement must be founded in error. To slo:e this,
he real an extract of a letter from Y. ph &loose
.
minds, head of the Batavia's R-public, to fieeeist
sett, Governor of the Cape, in which there was the hi.
lowing, expression :—" If any branch of active bate
could be introduced, the Cape might defray its sea
expenditure." This letter was dated in June, Itta,
which was not very long before it was captured, and
was a decisive proof. that at the time the Cape could
not support its establishments. Another Oiliest Ge-
neral (Sir It. Fergusson) had stated, thatGeneralOrty
had given his opinion, that 39001. was a satiaeat ss„
hay for the Governor of the Cape.—((ieeeral Craig,
from Sir It. Ferguson). Ile (Mr. O.) could hod so
trace of General Craig having expressed say sari
opinion; Ueneral Orey bad expressed a directly cse-
trary one.
Sir It. FERGUSSON explained what he had said;
that in 1795, when the Cape fell into oar basis,
General Craig, who acted as Governor, stated is the
Government that be had found no salary fixed for
him, but that he had appropriated 30001. per seam
which he thought fully adequate to the duty.
Mr. GOULBURN observed, that even in that case
General Craig's emoluments would have bees greater
than those of the present Governor, as the old system
of giving fees to the Governor continued till the
arrival of Lord Macartney. The Hon. Member thee
defended the Secretary for the Colonial Depurates,
from the charge of diverting the colonial revision is
the purposes of patronage. When the Noble Lord
(Earl Bathurst) tirst came into Write, he introduced a
Bill to preclude himself from granting any atheist
appointments to persons who did not reside in the r •
spective colonies. Since the peace all the coasiller-
able appointments were given to the officers ou half
pay, who had no other means of subsistence. Bet
the ihm. Member thought the half-pay officers bed
been used hardly by the Foreign Enlistment NIL
which prevented them from improving their formes
in South America. lie (Mr. U.) believed thew vie
had gone to South America, bad met with nooesfete
anticipated blessings.—(Hear, hear.)—Asti
was now a resolution of the tievernueent of that
country, stet to wmplayseroresee foreiga offieeml°-
cause their health would not-bear the climate, andb:-
cause they were too expensive—(Hear.)
Mr. J. P. GRANT did not repose going ielo par
ticulars ; it appeared to hint that there was an el-
cess over the establishment of 172. of no less doe
twenty-one thousand mea. He thought he had said
enough to make out a prima facie case why the F
mate ought to be reduced ; and the Hon. Seeman!
was called on to eltew an opposite case, and to pew
the existence of reissues why the force now proper'
twat, necessary. If the House was really auxiutte that
the country should be in a condition to meet as;
chaser of circumstances which might occur, it oet
to keep a etch open the resources of the countr!.
and see that they were properly husbanded.
he was sure that their Constituents had a right Is
call upon them not to leave any thing to the pee
111:Sri of Ministers, but see themselves that thee
resources were properly husbanded upon every oc-
casion.
Sir R. FFIRGUSCN, having been particalrely al-
luded to by the lion. Secretary fur the Colonial De-
partment, wished to repeat the stateliness he bedloule
upon a former occasion, relative te the sahry (I."
Istria Craig, who was Military governor of the Car
of Good Hope in the year 1796 e He said lbw. "
he would say now, that that officer wrote logo
despatch to Government, saying, that as no &Frio'
meat had been made as to the amount of the ST.
lary he was to receive, he had assigned to
until his Majesty's pleasure should be kerma, de
anuual sum of 30001. Besides this he received 0
emolument. He certainly thought three thoseol
s. 14
pounds enough for the situation.. And althoudgh*
'mil salary was now tee amassed poun
he was informed, that other pesoeisites enjoyed
the G 99OMR
1
.overnor increased the actual sum to •
was far from his wish that any sanecessaty redo:
lion in the pay of *Seers or soldien should ceriv,
for by connection be was attached to the arsa.
•earp
though he trusted that he was still more at
to his country. The Hisao arable Member then 0°:
some allusions to tb, state of the cavalry, 001
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jetted to the formation of the regiments of 1004.1
Our troops could not hr concerted • late Pole%
he preferred their remitting tue old English 04"
fighting.
Col. WOOD defent'e.i the caval y from the 01'
dons which bad been cast upon them.-4•ot 014"
the Oppositioa.)
Sir It. FERGUSON 'spooned.
Sir R. WILSON cont-n.le . that the altetatioa ist
the cavalry equipmeets would render them 406(4'
If they should be awaits railed .tsto the field. Ike ".
of lisped Hope could 11 ri It just as well by aloe;
Of 1!1111 infantry, an ;Vt., cavatey, as by the pro
1400 troops emph. c . ..1! smite. The 10111
Islands ought mat ete to. atai .ed, inasmuch a,‘ ohef.
were a amerce of es; • a r.:, • . peuession of thr.!
cause of inneb ye. •ss a.. a., the Turks. N.. "P;
to
rim: if they 0.•1 st, !at tat bream' ingliffered
meat ought to e. tu.• jest Indies more them
discipline, swat w ry Sy very difficult to
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