The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-01-06 00:00:00

THE STATES

• t rte#endant;he Wal wiiiin r, in the ease of Mr.
iiecuss, to take bail for his appearance, at,d let the case
•taud over till nest sessions.
' After a little consultation; this arrangement was 6-
' mall}• agreed to between the

11,EETING OF THE COUNTY OF AYR.

Parattant to a requisition transmitted to Sir David
Hunter Blair, 01 Brownhill, Hart. convener of the
•tountv of Ayr, a meeting of the Freeholders, Jus-
tice:. if the Peace, and Commissioners of 'Supply, was
convened in the Court House, at Ayr, on Saturday
last, the 30th alt. • The interest which the contem-
plated proceedings excited in the public mind was of
. such a description, that immediately on the doors being
opened, every seat was occupied, and it was even
with difficulty that standing room could he afforded
• fo the tiliijority of the gentlemen who had attended
• :in compliance with the application made to the con-

• vener.
• Mr. Boswrm,, of Attehinted:, li;Aring• moved, and

•his. motion 'being seconded by 11r. Snodgrass. Bu-
a'rhattan, that Sir D. Hunter Blair take the Chair,
that geot!emau, on assuMing it, returned thanks for
• "the honour conferred, read the requisition, end
atateds•that in-consequence of the reque3t it contained,
, they were then assembled : and that before proceed-
niag to the consideration of the object of their meet-
log, he begged to intimate, that be had received an
sopologytfroin Lord Glasgow; and which, on being
• . read, oonimunicated his regret at not having it in
ltii.postet to attend ; and fully concurring with the
-flews the requisition contained. Similar letters of
..itiology were read from the Lord Justice Clerk, Mr.
:81terilf•Bell, and other gentlemen.
...e• Sir James Fernt-soN, in moving the Address, ex-
It-reseed hts conviction, that there never was a period
;ttlieti it was More necessary for good men of all
ilegornitMtibas to declare their attachnsent to the
principles of the British Constitution ; and in loyal
:and becoming language to approach the throne of
tltefr Sovereign, to record their gratitude for the
blessings which the constitution has si,ss.e secured
to. the humble and the great; to avow their un-
alterable 'attachment to his present. Majesty, their
ileterusination to resist the inroads of daring men,
. .•
ants to secure to latest posterity, the unexampled
• •• • •
Aitleetings %faith the Government of the House of
,Brantswitit .had eonferred- Without adding one
';eord- store, hi brewed leave to read the Address
(which he did : it embodied the teutiments just ut-
terett.). .
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Sir wm. CVNSINUIIAM, of Caprington, seconded
Mie Address.
. Me,..Oirtratn, of.Auchincruive, in offering himself
to the attenthas of the meeting, Said that no man was
more fully int; ceased than himself, with a sincere and
grealttil convinction of the sights and privileges the
soustitotinn coufeireiron'all his •Miljesty's subjects.
Boi, libtiever reluctant, he must dissent from the
psissitiem on which this meetimg had hel, convened.
He must deprecate that exclusive attribute of loyalty
ulti4s,"if not in langataTe, yet in tone and meaning
th*.hssed thought it necessary to assume, because he
c.assefebtionc.ly belieted that a great majority of the
people .of this country were imitued with similar
10ya14.3 and that at least in Scoland, to which their
vielff AreJnore especially confined, no such feelings
or riiiilpies are manifested as those which the ad-
droa...asitronly • condemns: l'he ' address too, how-
ever caution ly expressed, was, in its spirit and
canients, intended. to accomplish more .than. what
its'fiiifeise'a aiSects contemplated. It WaS.net only
nberat% to.. eymitathise with the Sovereign in the
present condition of the empire ; it, was not only
Turing ''to' pragi those around hies to -resist by 1
e /en
.111.41.0 the progress of discontent.-to stay. the
hand of the unwary.—.to expose the scheme 'of the
elesigning,'and to visit, with merited punishment•tho
s ',olatprs of the lew • hitt it was plainly nmaut to in-
pli appnhatiun of his Majesty's Ministers, and, bit
the ecloptitm" of the ettpedient to which gentlemen
have now resorted, fer euirvinee The country that we
do nut only venceate the throne, admire the constits-
ti.m, detest the schemes.of agitators, aid pity.tho tom:.
ittsirrns orthrpeOple, but highly adutire tim• eoednct
of the Ministers of 'the Crown, on which itman mill
knewnsthere mast exist. the widest difference 'elf opi- .
ition,l A certain portion of the press *ill uudoistbfedry
give 'this eonstrartion to the address moved by the
hmottr.thle Bototst•t ; and this we know to he true, as
similar aildiesaes • 47. received, a like interpretetion,
whlfls being wholly ykonsisient with the professed
ob)rstof the address itself. On this ground, as well
a, the sat hers,•it• intAt ex perieuce Isis opposition.
,Mr. et",t N IS awais, of Euterkine, *odd honestly de- '
elite: that be*lttended the meeting of this day: with
nd I,sther object Haan time which the address by
, .. . . , . . .
the- Isi*liisorable Batbnet scimmuniciteda Nientlemen
itatkstn, odtek iiew on . thefrieent , octothiost, than, to
cagy to the fout'of the Throne their • sentiments' of
ttandiniteinheAl attacbtailit.nrthoi: Houle of Brunswick.
of !toilet s. in the reotir 1,100.61. „laid, tlite.,
cons4inion glider. tha4 T+ll.,Cteommunicatee. aid: d;
mat •• with honastl4sgatito their disapproval of
the iiiieseitting exertions-6f deipirate 'and imprinc
tledoenesaverturn the:W.4s Which It . coefera, ithit
the hentlitrh secaref ; fri: also":
"ilitetithere Mil TO;
wain; K 'lei podia 44iocitiy. 'ready to vindicate
and ennuis' 'these insifitlfil:•riikfc. *lid J uvke4
.prise,,
loges A: Att4 to convince- 114 delnded.,of tke, I strayed,
genre...of their sOorizesl s• tiThesa,'',he said, "are
the jiiiiities fur which weratelteoe;stisembled ;*. al*
art .tbsrprinciples for whlifhl shalloter.. the Agrees
my wappket ; lid by thenialatermitifielof these. (101851-.
pies; It it bli• firm co n vie; itig 5it11,4114 ;thy .klekalior ,
of eirintril society, /lila ..e.f 114041, liter,. be tranienield .
to 0614:ti. ity, I comelier! whit ma isteatilie Anitip•
port the Ministry of the day ; and to allay theAlatikir
which my llonorahle Friend indnjges -,Maltlinittoint,-1
will say, that had the addreisisebnli re':e 7,Pki1144941•
an iiiteriiretation,2 or hadjiteh?... 648. t.„.
rained in it, ! should liter # heA t.t piattp;il4l“l
iiptes
effereetit_,ety i4port, liailiji nietatiteml.paier
sentiniethi. -either eprevieter eimmulitir.ll7 Of
their oppotegents, it iboeM& ipues ei • ;•idit-vile-
- • thi soil* • i tioiWt) lest *tem .
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this is the case, were I on the eraffold, or on
my death-heil, i should with equal boldness ex-
press), it is time for all to rally found the stand-,
aed of the laws, the depository of oar rights, and
$ shelter it amid the ravages of that storm with
thich it has to contend. We have no grievances.
isompaveri to the individual tyranny to which the peo-
Oe of a neighbouring country have been subjected.;
'No Wires de eaeltit (and here Mr. Canningliaine told
in anecdote representing the hardship of their opera- ,
lion) tonseize the person of a British citizen, and im-
' mitre him for years, or the period of his life, in the re-
mises of the dungeon. Here life and property are
alike secured to all, the blessings of liberty alike com- •
municated to all, the conduct of its guardians also
subject to the observation i.f all." 'I he constitution
of the latter hodv, to which lie then alluded, bad been
the subject of much speculation. Reform had been
desired by some, but its maintenance as it existed had
been opposed by many. Mr. Pitt, at one period of
his life, had been the advocate of reform, because the
elements of the democratic part of the constitution '
required to be purified from Royal and aristocratic in-
fluenre ; but in his latter days, when lie perceived
more danger to be apprehended from popular lemma-
tion, than from undue influence from other quartets, I
the same reasons which made him the ads-nettle of fel
form before, justified opposition then. He (3fr. Cita-
ninghaine) was a fiend to reform, but what would be
the advantages which attended its success, compared
to the great benefits which a successful resistance to
contemplated revolution would confer on sou iety? A
more popular law might pass; a tax or two might
be taken off; hut the dangers they were called on to
avert, and the extruragancies they were bound to frus-
trate; were of infiui:ely greater importance in the scale
of national interest ; and that all should be united
now for the honest purpose, however they might vary
on minor points of political expedience, was what
he ardently wished, auil hoped to see realised.
Mr. CALCHArT. of Illairstone, said that be would
not endeavour to follow the last Learned Speaker into '
the history of !ewes de cachet, the propriety of. re-
form, or general questions of politica; expediency, hut
lie would take the liberty of stating tn.,: objectioes to 1
the present address, which he thought arose imme-
diately from a consideration of the address itself. He
most cordially concurred in the expressions ofloyalty, 1
and In the determination avowed to defend our tonsil- 1
tution aguinat both forri"n and domestic enemies. But 1
it occurred to him that there was a passage in the std-
dress which stated that the press had now become!
" the source of uropialified evil-"—(i'ries of "he, no," 1
from several gentlemen.)---Mr. C. continued, that he;
had taken down the words, aged found them to be as
he had spoken therm.—(Cries of" No, no.")---Mr. C. :
then begged that that part of the address might be I
read, which seas accordingly done, and is as follows :
" The press, too, which in the hands of good men we
had ever valued as the liberal channel of instruction
and delight, has been covered by the rancorous ene-
mies of human happiness into en engine of liassaliffed
Brit." Mr. C. still asserted that the meaning of that 1
clause, as worded, appeared to him to be an attack !
upon the press.-.4N0, nn,)--(Mr. C. then eat down
for a moment, and the clause was lead again.}—Mr.
C. continued, that he thought the clause leas still an!
attack upou the press.—f Cries from the Chairman and
others " Only against the worst part of It.") The 1
noise at this time was such that we could not complete- 1-
lv bear what the gentleman stated. We undrstood,
flowerer, that he referred to the libel law, as capable
of punishing slifficiently the excesses of the press, and
that to check the abuses of which, the address com-
plained it would be necessary to make the laws appli-
cable to the whole press, and restrictive of the rights
of publication.)—Mr. Cathcart stated, that those who
were most aware of the benefits and blessings of the
press would be most apt to forgive its vices, and pro-
ceeded in his argument against that part of the address
which accused the people of disloyalty and irreligion,
and contended that no accusation could he more
groundless or unfounded. The Hon. Gentleman olio
spoke last had described, in the must glswing and
beautiful terms, the character of our constitati in. In
every word of this description he, from the bottom of
his heart, concurred. Were we then to suppose that
our countrymen were insensible to the merits of that
comtiktiion, or bad grown lukewarm in its support ?
Were its blessings now so diminished that they could
pot feel theist—and were our countrymen so dull that
they could not discover them ? What were the people
to gain by attacking the constitution of the country
They were first to bring misery and ruin upon them-
selves; and the final object they were to obtain was
left in an uncertainty and doubt. He did not believe
that there were lOU men in Scotland who would sign
an address, or itate as their opinions in an intelligible
form, that they were dissatisfied with the constitution.
I do not believe," said lie. " that lOU men are to be
found in the empire who wish a King without a Lords
or Cummins, as in .Old Spain ; or Lords without a
King or Commons, &sin Old Venice; or Commons
without either King or-Lords, as in America." There
'bed' been, it is ti ...- aiming a body of peopti, iertain
opinions of reform, but the worst and only dasprotss
part of these had alresdr vanished before *the united
'sense and reason, of those very people who had once
been inclined to listen to them. Were there then any
.grounds far accusing Ile people of disloyalty and dis-
affection ' On the contrary, supposing the existence
of no evidence at aU, -either on one side or the ether,
there were the strongest presumptions derived from
the MAW religion, and moral excellency of our Mite-
trymen, and from that constitution which tiii last
speaker had so well described—that to it all raiiiis'and
orders were, sincerely and-powerfully attached. NOW,
where was the evidence to coaattraet these ptinump-
lions.? - There was- attitridenee at all. And was this res-
feetehlonieeting required In lasinnato spinet the loyal-
ty of the poopioxie as address to the father of hisieineetie,
without Any evidence, and ageism* all the presiemptidsa
to theyailtrasy ? He Wasted that if any gentleastit ow
iessed evidence. either against the MOM, MOW, dtt
loyal teasing,/ of.elsp people, it night be brinight Ihr-
award. is support of the statements and inaimeatiOni
cootalatett so the Aeblesae.: and that- they trbilld poi*.
wt t:p. theitepotiogaboott:mere.. the ainktip•ted row,
rim, rota *Out* a , ahleaslos* dad 011,811160141
Ary illeyalmilietameir mediae she losretoodeelts big.
to airs_ . .11l al - - ast it 'sr basis Able
this 00180111•111 MK set losilled ,gaunt• she ID-
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Every Adlititistration In this
asigkrise assured that some of their measures
I meet ith Apposition. Some than found oppo-
to particular insulated acts, while others had met
ition to their whole system and gesteral policy. He
was not now to call in question the vigour, the wisdom,
or the trust-worthiness of the present Administration ;
but he contended, that neither they nor any other Ad-
ministration had a right to accuse the opponentsof their
measures as enemies to the constitution of the country.
Any measure, however conscientiously proposed by
an Administration, and however much intended to be-
nefit the country might be equally conscientiously or.
posed. He knew that he was to differ on the istbjeeto
of the address from gentlemen for whom he had the
highest respect. But he had endeavoured to give hie
reasons for dissenting, as he never could support a
statement which*appearrd to him to call for more restric-
tions on the 'Mole press of the country, or which con-
tained even an insinuation against the morality' or
loyalty "of the most virtuous, most religious, or
most industrious people upon earth; more particu-
larly when these insinuations were contained in an
address to the monarch of the country and the father
of his people."
Dr. LAWRIE, of a'Neveraills,- emelt •Isiat hit 'consider
the opposition made by the Hoedomoble Gentleman
will had preceded him as quite unnecessary; because
that opposition originated in a misrepresentation of
an important passage in the address, and of that gen-
tleman's giving it a construction which it could not
reasonably hear. Ile could not have anticipated any
opposition to the address, because he seldom had seen
one so cautiously expressed or so well calculated to
reconcile the varied political opinions which must ne-
cessarily prevail in all mixed assemblies. Therefore,
he could not but feel disappointment at the opposition
the address had experienced. Not one syllable of ap-
probation of the conduct pursued by Administration
had been introduced, and yet llon.turable Gentlemen, by
a most illogical inference, concluered, that this address
bad been suggested with the view of supporting, and
of sanctioning the measures pursued by administration.
But recalling the attention of the meeting to the point
from which the Honourable Uentleinan had wandered,
he begged leave to ask hint, whether irreligion bad
not pervaded the laud ? Whether a earlile had not
blasphemed ? Whether or not the dwelling of the
artisan, or the hamlet of the peasant, had not been de-
luded by the infamous d .ctrinas which the sources of
infidelity had opened up ? Whether or not the Bible.
the poor man's friend, as it is the rich man's stay.
had not been exposed by the taunts of the scoffer, and
the ridicule of the unbeliever ? And whether or not
these attempts to rob the poor man of his best friend,
to undermine the peace of the cottage, and the virtue
of society, should not experience their marked repro-
bation, and their most determined opposition ? It was
for them in these circumstances to approach the
throne, expressing their attachment to the consti-
tution, and their resolution to check the designs of
the unprincipled. and the mar hinations of the infidels.
It was his lot to live in one of the most disturbed of
these distries, where lately principles of disaffection
had but too generally prevailed ; but although the
corrupt messengers of infidelity had done all in their
power to pollute the faith, and pervert the principles
of his parishioners, he did not believe that out of a 'sti-
pulation of 4,000 souls, fifty had been tainted with
these pernicious doctrines. The Reverend tirade-
men sat down, giving his cordial approbation to the
address,
Mr. KINNEDV, of Dunttre, M.P. said, that he would
have no satisfaction in prolonging the discussion, no
wish to agitate causes of difference, and with these
feelings he hail much satisfaction in listening to tie
testimony which the reverend genticiritin had just
given, to the general loyalty and attachment to the
principles of religion, of those with whom he was
more immedistely connected ; and this afforded him
the more peculiar pleasure, as that portion of the
country from which the reverend gentleman came was
one of those few districts in the empire where disaf-
fection had principally reigned, or where infidelity
had made its mischievous encroachments. Since
these had been nearly extinguished even there, of
I what avail was their present address to the Throne,
when thns, by their own admission, sedition and
fidelity were so insignificant iu their Went. that no
danger conld he apprehended, and in. consquence tie
loyal declarations required. The terms of the requi-
sition itself excited his disapprobation. because it
assumed an exclu-ive character of loyalty to those
who attended meetings of the description now assem-
bled, and implied, that those who absented themselves
from similxr meetings were undeserving of that appel-
lation. Many reasons might prevent gentlemen from
attending these meetings. He himself would have
preferred devoting any leisure he at present command',,
ed to his private pursuits, as, of course, other.engage-
meats would speedily demand his presence elsewhere..
and he should have thorlght it hard that the gratik-
cation of these wishes should have borne the character
of disloyalty, which the terms of the fp:Waiting...ft.
.indfscriciiiitately levellea at all such absentees. • Thu
address no doubt was framed with considerable,
caution; but this caution was quite inconsistent with
the tone and spirit of the requisition. Ho basics(
had no opportunity of knowing the contents of the
address moved by the Hon. Baronet, and called there,
'partly by the extraordinary sentiments contained in
the requisition, could not in any observations that
might fall from him exclude that requisition from his
mind, and indeed, he was bound to think,that the
spirit which originated the requisition, equally pive•
existence to the address now proposed. Helnstist ims•
lisle wish hie Hem Friend (Mr. Oswald) that since mei
disapprobation it-introduced condemning the conduct%
of AdminiOtration, addressee of ibis • tbareetet are
evidoktly meant to support the systioson:whiekMine.
eters act, and to obtain the approbation ssf•the metissi
to thine measures ou which the. Ministry have Oink
regently balled. The language of the adds'ss retsibe
to the press be must think with -his -Hon,
I,:atcheart), was an ordinary gramonatiesA lateral.
dot. of that sweeping character (describing is no disr
fogies of tat WOW evil.) whisk hp could not con-
wiellger&ST ftftttr. • rime wistrstp Ulryions distinction.
-betwookrbipposilta ,govitnesapit ancl adminisrasinis
a.
the ism vie er ha
.usepssk ion! nos the ktiort sod:
wises calhid on ti ,tompliert. dor easstitioltos.of ltis
cowry, As begged te, 14 be eillsesteell es suppers.

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ing the constitution at, it existed in September, t a 1!l,
and not with the intervening iniemations made upon
it, as established by the Ministers of the Crown, in
1820.—(Applause.)—Mr. K. further said he believed
that whatever diseontents and sufferings might exist
in the country; "these never could be allayed by pro-
ceedinp,.,s tending to create and perpetuate distinctions
among the different ranks of soriety ; and that instead of
assembling meetings of the character now before bin:,
it werea better mode of securing the tranquillity and
comfort of all classes of the community, and of giviea
strength to the happy constitution under which we
live, to recommend conciliation and correction, by
which the thonghtless and misguided might be re-
claimed, and the wicked satisfied tint they were feir
in number. He thought that the person of his Ma-
jesty was greatly too sacred, and their loyalty to) un-
questioned to render .a declaration of attachment now
necessary,. and by mach more uufit to vote an address
of approbation of the measures of the existing Minis-
ters of the Crown, under the form of in address of
loyalty and-attachment to the sacred person of the
Sovereign. He could by no means join in each as
Address, because, every man in Geo country knee that
nearly the whole of last year had been sacrificed by
the Ministers of the Grown, in as inquiry into the
cunduct of she 4401111, 'bleb 4m.its origin was untie-
ceasary, in its progress injurionkto the morals-of the
country, awl in its cuoclusion disgraceful .to its
authors. This measure, in all its tendency, tram
lessen the constitutional veneration of the people fur
the monarchy. lie declared that a whole session of
Parliament had been occupied in this measure.; that
to it all other interests were sacrificed ; that the great.
est talents were engaged in opposing it ; and that it
was ungenerous in its nature, and unconstitutionai in
its object. The Hon. Gentleman concluded
pressing his belief, that a complete change Must lace
place in the spirit of the Councils of his Majesty,
fore the happiness and prosperity of the countryconid
be restored ; that by this means the evil disposed
might be checked, abuses corrected, disinterested ad•
ministration restored in all departments of the.govern-
ment, the guilty punished, and the misguided, re•
claimed.

Mr. KeNeenv then read some reasons of dissent,
which he moved should be engrossed with the address
in the minutes.
Mr. Bosweet, of Auchinleck, M. P. would avoid
the example of some. of those gentlemen who, had
preceded him, and confine himself in the observa-
tions he should shortly submit to the meeting, to
the subjects which the address embraced. He cosh
sot at all subscribe to the opinion of the honourable
gentleman who had just spoke, that because no ex-
press disapprobation of the conduct of the ministers
Was contained iu the address, therefore, it Inuit be
presumed to be the intention of the meeting, to ap-
prove of their conduct. Approbation of the address
could bear no such interprteat. . It only expressed
approbation of the principles of the constitution, ve•
neration to the laws, and attachment to his Majesty.
Ile could not agree in some opinions that had bes:n
stated to the meeting. "li e are not," said the
honourable gentleman, . " here assembled to attack•
the press of this country, as stated by my worthy
friend ; we came only to deprecate and deplore the
errors"and excesses of the press. No man, I believe,
has a higher opiuion of the liberty of the press, or
would feel more unwilling to injure its interests the*
myself. I admit, that it has brought the world
from darkness to light, that it has rendered know-
ledge and tenth more rapidly and easi:y accessible,
and that there is no Glening which it has not con-
tributed to extend. God forbid that I should ever
say any thin; against the liberty of the press. If,
by any unfortunate infatuation, I should ever dare
to speak against that liberty, 1 trust that I should
not have an audience to listeu to me."--(Applause.)--
He perfectly agreed that the great body of the
people were sound, and that they were sincerely at-
tached to the King and constitution.
,But he could
not shut his eyes to the fact, that there were desperate
and designing men, who exerted themselves upon
every occasion to withdraw the loyal from their
duty, and mislead the ignorant and unwary. On
the other band, the address hail been criticised fur
what it did not contain, as well as for what it did.
It had been dissented front, ou accused of its omis-
sions, as well as on account of its expressions. He
really thought, however, that from the careful aseener
in which it had been worded, there was no ground
fur the objections avhich his honourable friend sear
him had brought against it. As to the imagined
support which the address offered to his Majesty's
-ministers, not only hod no such opinion been ex-
pressed in the address, bet partici** care .bed been
taken to prevent even inferences being drawn 4n the
subject. He knew that a great differencenf "isles
',prevailed in the country on their. conduct,. eod, he
was fierfectly assured, that no address containing
such an approbation would be acceptable. lie' nee
well aware, that the great body of the-peeple- teem
obnikeati eaamoditri, praiseworthy, and ririnotts. tam.
this be likewise knew, that the seeds of disaffectiott
had been widely strewn, that their vigorous bet.4lo-
- shooks had poisoned .the sources of consli-
tational loyalty ; and that 4 bold and open devisees
lion of their atsachtnent to.its principles, eves the
most efficacious means of neutralising the efforts of
the designing, and rendering• the ?Nimble fabric
which has lasted through so many ages, and beet ..
sheltered from so many storms, as imperishable as thie
' rocks which surround our shores.
Mr. Born of Sheewiten spoke in farourof thew&
dress, as did Mr. Taylor against it. •
For the Address 66, Against it IC...Majority 51-
UST or Toe bletroartr..Mr. Kennedy, of U.
*ere, M. P.; Mr. Oswald, of Auchincruire ; Mr. Can-
ainghsele, of Clonesird ; Mr. Fullerton, of Sheldon ;
Mr, Thompson, ef Daljarreeh ; Mr. Taylor, of Meek-
,- house t Mr. Cathcart, of Blairstone; Mr. David HAW'
.say ; Mr. J111111011161afti• i Mr. Johnstone, of Trslot I
Mc Gemmell, of Lowlands t Mr. Almaden' It.
Oselsbeet, and two_ether geetleses3 whore Dames we. •
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