The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-02-06 00:00:00

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'4lr Wm. Keno. cre.ite.l laird Stowell
of Shaftesbury. is the room of th.
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cella to the Peen as Suffield i
•os of Salop, in the room pf Joh* cows
Boreedb of Kind's, loan, in Across of
Brown Foliose, Bart.; and for Castle Risin
the
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of the Earl of Rocksavage, .to
e title of lined Newhoresgh. •
leathers then took the oaths and their seats.
motion% of several asembreosoow writs Wore.
td for the Ceenty of .31ompousery,, is the.
Richt 800 Chat, Walltitl WlitiofftWYPo,
•cented the office of President of the Board
I; for the Borough of Baricinyhats, la the
m. IleeryFreimantle, Esq. who fiance /wed
f a Commissioner for the Affairs of liidiai; (Of
rh of St. Mawes, in the room of Joseph Phil.
1. who LA also accepted the °Soo of # Co
for the dff.iirs of I ndie.; for tho,UrtioPrii
, the room of lige Bight frlop,.Ratort pfL.
to of his Nisjesty's price l &traits:les of
I for the llorouotli of West low. In the moil;
floniburn, Esq. who bad accepted the Ate of
,etstv for Ireland.
BAKER informed the Ileum, that the Clerk
red the usual Sessional Bills..
indestint Uudawry Bill, was . thus, read a first

1 time.
oornarr Sessional Committees of Privileges,
the:l:tinted, and the usual standing orders
,a to.
Witte/ InftiflAL.
RENNET rose, tad, in a very low voice, gave
at he would lake the earliest
from oppohis rtuniMatyk as
le heard the word Simpleinters,
s-
liters, of brim/int under, the consideration of
Ise, the aub)ect of the femoral of her late Mar
'Hear, hear .4
.CSHINGT N moved that the Speaker do issue
s far the Election of Members for—the Borough
accepan, in the room of she Hon. Sir Chas. Paget.
accepted the Afire of Groom of his Majesty's
Tuber; and foe Dumfries, in the room of W. R.
0[10" Esq. oho Kali bees made one of the Lords
douiraity.—Orrlereal.
GHEIIT WILSON rose to give notice that be
on Tuesday, the 12th instant. move for Copies
Orrespondence which took place between his
Hichnese the Commander-in-Chief, Lord Sid-
and himself, relative to his dismissal from the
Seeing the Noble Marquees (Londonderry) in
'q he wished to ask if it was his ietestion to
the roadies of these papers. He bad asked
sties', because he meant to govern his line of
I by the answer to be received ; if no difficulty was
lin the way of producing the papers, he would
I his earn to another time; bat if it was now no-
wt that bps motion was to be opposed. be was
to say that be thought it his duty. when making
lime, to enter upon the subject, and lay open all
ails to the House.—(Hear.)
. Maroons of 114 IN DON DERRY said he thought
i theta Member of the House should, upon entice
tion, Metaled upon to state what coarse Ise meant
re whoa the motion was made. At the present
at, be was not prepared to give as avower to the
ea of the Hon. Member. Ho maid not say that
am to oppose the motion, if it was any conve-
ito the on. Member.
it. WILSON said he had asked the question less
.1 own convenience titan that of the House. He
repeated his twice of motion for the Productioo of
wresposideace which took places le •the smiths of
oboe lend OMAN% hetereen the Commandevit
blialkur-aisak; ifil Mining 111211“ e. aill.
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g. RINGTON 'gam soothe that he woilill
er Easter, bring Ia a Hill to secure the more
Representation of the people in Parliament.—
,46.)
• llPttell PROM THE TYRONE.
Ile SPEAKER thee proceeded to inform the House
Moe Hesse bad been to the Hesse of Lords, where
Ilajesty was pleased to deliver a Speech, of which
lid obtained a copy, and be weak now read it 10
'louse.
he SPEAKER then read the Ring's Speech (foe
rh, see report of the debate in the Lords.)—As moo
ne Right Hon. Gentleman had hushed reading the
itio,
Ir. ROBERT CUTE rose for the purpose of moving
kildress, in reply to the gracious Speech which had
1 that day delivered from the Thrace. He should
waste time in dwelling upon the g f tenor of
Speech, but would proceed at once to those points
o which more manifestly claimed the approbation of
Home. The first point to whirls he called the anen-
tof the House. and upon which be believed there
ilil he but one feeling of satisfaction, was the passage
chiefs his Majesty spoke of the strong assurances of
ieudly nature which he had received from foreign
sect. it would be gratifying to the House to learn,
t since their last meeting nothing had happened to
.ak in upon the general harmony which prevailed,
i the continuance of which was upon all hands so de-
able. Differences of a anions nature bad arisen be-
nt' the Courts of St. Peterehurgh and the Ottoman
rte: and if these two states became embroiled, there
is no doubt but that a more extended system of war
cold be the natural conseqrsence. It was gratifying to
e that the other powers of Europe were indisposed to
ar, and that from the same motives that actuated us,
iev were using their enileavonrs to allay the differences
f the lamer,. in question. From all these circumstances,
ore was every reason to hope that the differences sub-
sting would be amicably terminated. With this pros-
ect oefore them, he could not help congratulating the
louse upon the elevated situation in which this country
'is plasoeil. Though straggling herself it a period of
tifiLulty unparalleled In history, she had been the main
tstruitient of giving independence to, and preserving
.e repose of nations. The next passage in his Majesty's
Teeth it ortliy the attention of the House, was that in
loch he stated the results of his visit to different parts
his dominions. The first place to which be went was
related; but it was totally. out of his (Mr. Clive's)
tower to describe the enthusiasm with which his Ma-
csiv, who was thefirst Prince of the House of Bruns-
rich, 'olio visited that part of the empire, was received.
rt ear to be regretted that subsequently acts of violence
Ina outraee took place in that country; but from the
lercription cipersons engage.' in them, as well as from
le nature of these outrages, it was clear that they ori-
;inated from local causes, in many cases individual nuis•
',iliac... east, and most probably from the pressure
d distress in a great degree. It was, however,
,-.suitably certain, that they were totally un-
onnectett with political causes. His Majesty had ex-
.: rased himself determined to do all in his power to pro-
e,:t the lives and properties of his subjects, and he (Mr.
.lire) trusted that the House wont.' cooperate with his
ol .jests in that determination.—(llear.)—His Majesty's
.I.eei h hell out the most cheering prospects as to the
'"lirevelowitte in the Revenue. It also stated, what was
•,) less gratifying, that great reductions had been made
.o all the Public Departments. They would also learn
lith satisfaction, that the weight which had been for
one time pressing heavily upon our manufactures and
..einnerce mots nearly removed, and that at this time the
freatest activity prevailed in every department of coin-
*r e. Ile wished it woe in his power to say as dutch
Oh r re- ; ar, to agricolture.—(Hear.)-t-lt was a molany
dily truth, that that malt impertaat branch of the,nai

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donut wealth wee at Bali-time libeerloig shine.-
*erten distrait. bet lie feud real to fait Mines,
biter weepeeteo mid he teueled,
.wheatbonsliel isiedso.
tlParliametitbad bees hronett to beat epee Ilse fah'.
.nit, in a little time a remedy woelfibiddavnitltetikee
dime dilficilfies of *bleb the agiUMbitil Inherit 'elissih;'
plainer, se fondly. The Sate Of trade •Wo la attattetid
with what it wetter* py three Jearp_ege. was moo Ine
'wowed, and Withla Abet NOVO» lidlieeiri irodusl
improvement in one meaufacterie; boakftig. therefore. '
at these 'WIWI iworev,reseetsy asel knowieg bow hid-,
nudely !impeded these, were with the leterests of *agri-
culture, he thinsglit he *at 'trot idlolldirk hie Warbles
a hope, that before the end of the year we blue& be
e.ognrigattuarg(l°Aurust:retsul:fliterlitterarl7rnv*l-71:117
however u most condeeidglolleing Oen tberesult,
he wished to .impress epee; the 'Hensel • slut that woe,
the necessity of preserving, inviolate our faith with the
Oldie creditor.—(Hear,lten.)-If lOW of die least int-
pottance to our lathiest 'character,: ewe to our fame ,
,Maistenee, to preserve it inviokite.77(llpar.)—The 'Hon.
Member concluded by reading the Address,, which was
an ho of the Speech from the Throne.`
Mr. W. DUNCOMBE. in riling to sewed the Ad-
dress, said, that after the Ole speech of his Men. Priced
es
who preceded his, much comment was seiliceistit*.--o
Upon the first topic In thit +telt...there Weld' be
one opinion. The Hoops wield learn. with enedwe
plesaare,.that that Uwe of peace which we were at pee-'
sent enjoying was not likely to be broken in iiiion. di.,
they had his Majesty's seaman, that be. still continued 1
to receive assurasces of the most frieadly nature from
Foreign Powers. He was sure the Hesse would putt.
pate in the feelings of regret expreeied by hie Majesty at 1
the unfortunate state is whisk , Irides' now was t bat It I
was a consolation to this*. diet the enrages which prit
tailed there, owed their engirt twioeal'enattes, aid weft
not a part elan organised system of defiance to Oefewit
men. Under such cireumstences, it wee unnecessary to'
remind the House how mach they were called aria to
act with firunoess, end hoe effete:a d strict enforeeinient
of the law, aided by coneiliation—(hear)—trhold hr, is
bringing the misguided people beck to their duty. He
turned with pleasure from the selsjeit to'fiii Improve 1
ment which bad taken place he the Revende. 'lt waiters
less gratifying that we bad been able to make most kw
portant reductiensio the annualexpeediture in the Army
and Navy. With regard' to the mionfactures' of the
country, *there could be re doubt '!at they were
is a state of progressive improvement. It could
not be denied, however. but that the agricultural
interest waelebouring under the pressure of enemas&
geseni"diittrese.---(Hear.)—Witliout discussing sow the
mocha of,the question, he would only say that he was
folly persoaded the interest of the igricalturlst was W
closely Needled with the beet internee of the ionary.
that it was deservieg the beat care and
'attention of his
Majesty's Ministers and of.parlierneet. He had beard
there were many persons who argue% that the egrical.l
tniists were capable of receiving no relief bet throtigh the
alohiliam of an immediate redaction of tesalion.—(Hearl
*Who Opposition)—and a more exteneitresitem of no-
*Way. He was himself one of those who diewfd'iswe it
' niediate relief accessary'; but he depreesietteers
which would compromise the safety of oar estelofide
aunts. He congratulated the Country that the distoo-
tent which some time ago manifested itself le awe of
the mannfacturing districts hid now subsided; end he
argued that the restoration of tranquillity was evidence.
of the ireptovensent of trade, for iv-was to that chains-
statsee he entirely attributed the change.—(Hear!) '
Bit ise was sorry to say that. though *v
causescas of
contest bad bad disappeared, yet he'bdieret" t thre were
woo nom reuses -alwa s ready to widif .tlAteitelieseet
say possum as a fat attaakingthe -Ceestitedon
,Rine Country —( ',heti this, lima)—andef
khrathr motes* the estabralseff Astbeettles' of.,
the •.-7(Hear.)-A-bet hi' wield-Jell diem. that
whatever t etr motives were, their edetts would be
unavailing—that that Constitution whiCh they were
attacking was so eteefient in its embed, ill solidly fined
upon its basis, and possessing W many advalstages over
any other form of Contitutiba in the world, that instead
of it being weakened by their etforis, it would gaits new
strength, and be the admiration of the world.
The Address was then read from the Chair.
Sir F. BURDETT said that be did net feel himself
called upon to make any comments upon the observa-
tions made by the Hon. Member who !hovel the Ad-
dress, for there was nothing In those °boot:vocals in
which he did sot perfectly agree. He could not. how-
,ever. say as much fur the speech of the Hon; !timelier
who seconded the Address, fur he had to Complain, that
towards the end, that Hon. Member suffered himself to
he led ioto a topic that was foreign to the subject, and
at variance with the tone of the Address itself The
topic to which be alluded, was the reference made by
the Honourable tientlemad to the existence of certain
persons in this country who were said to be still upon-
the alert to take advantage of any thing to attack
the Constitution of the country:4ll.n, hear.) Now
this be (Sir Fraucis Burdett) considered a most un-
fortunate topic at this particular time, when there was
really so much good reason for mithituring at the over-
loaded expenditure of the country, end More particular-
ly at the immense military force. whirls muldtoot be jus-
tified upon any ground. The Hon. Baronet, in alluding
to the deplorable state of Greece, would not indulge is
any harsh observations; but lie was firmly of opinion
that the emancipation of that country from the tyranni-
cal sway of the Turks would tend to the universal good ;1
and he hoped, for the benefit of the world, it might be
liberated by the glorious struggles of that brave but op-
pressed people.—(hear, hear, hear!) in proposing an
amendment to the Address, he hoped he should not be
coesidered as actuated by any utotive of disrespect to the
Throne or that House. Nothing could be more respect-
ful to the King or to theniselves—nothing could be more
reasonable in itself. than that the House should well
consider, and fully and entirely tindeistand, the subject
brought before them, before they centered to offer au'
opiates, or give their vote on 'it. This was the
uniform practice of their ancestors.—(Hear, .hear!)—
This was the old Parliamentary custom. The Speech
was read to the House on a previous evening; aid, oh
the evening on which the Address was to be moved, the
Members came down with their minds sufficiently pre-
pared to give their votes. That was the mode of pro-
ceeding until lately; and he was anxious, because be
thought it the most expedient mode. as well as the most
respectfnl, that the House should return to that whole-
some rule. For it was impossible for any Hon: Mem-
ber of that House to comprehend at one reading, and, as
it were, is a moment, all thi various topics which his
Majesty's Speech to his Parliament contained. When I
the House was called on for a sweeping approbation of '
measures which they had not time to consider. Under
those circumstances he would beg leave to propose ,
that his Majesty's Speech be taken into consider ,
ation on the day after tomorrow. With respect to ,
the Speech itself, he did not thiuk it comprehended
so much as might have been expected- from so ilia•
portant a document. It was not agricultural dis-
tress alone under which the' country was labouring.
There were many other grievances which called *load
for redress : there were at that very time the most fie-1
grant violations of the Constitution.. The distress of the
agriculturists, as well as the other* grievanceshaider 1
which every class of the community wet pressed mlomin,
were time consequences of the' 'mottled of his Majesty's
Ministers. The Ministers were flattering' the 'public
with the promise of retrenchment and economy. lit the
very first Speeeh of his Majesty; on his accession to tim '
Throne, there was a promise of reirm;h:ne.nt and ezo-

m—ser"liiiiiiiiiiiiiale -- '" M
Tia etetrechmeat e yet
'elleeted.- 'A - gemlas. of tetreehaemit had bete
. la. traces I but hid eat prelim -bee yet prow T
The Hone of Comaes Abel expect towel
• • thosedehtsivepresiseer—;Hear,- 11
Miaow lee that votteehisest. was: The H
ef Comeme shopld ge admitted to the knowledge it
thimiabeasehes of tbo expeoditure in which the/dwelt.
meet' iel he. place. But the fact was, that they awl
the sentry were deluded, and no reduction had yet take
=4te suestrous expenditure of the useless esti.
irtjt up by Mint sssss .—(Hear, hear.)—Ata
titan libels Iffialiters were trifling, as it were, with thi
espeoditare of the country—irben the currency of the
eatery was depreciated is value, then they resolved to
add te the expenses of the Government, and to increase
the selaries of its officers.::—(Hear.- hear.)—Ministern
thought proper to increase their own incomes and allow.
ewe. whenthe eirculatiog medium of the country was
depreciated ; but when they were restoring the currency
to a metallic value, by cub payments, they said sot a
woe oiredoelegthigrown increased salertes,—(Hear.
hear, hear.)—No !Meter who had any feeling, who had
any 'regard for the people, weld or ought to have ef.
[Med so 'wises a measure as the *tarn to cash pay-
ment; srithet having previously considered whether
the sentry was able to bear it.—(Hear, hear, itear.)--,
The return to cash payments was atteided with the
worst effects, and it was to it that's's', people ascribed
Ve
at overwhelming distress iii the. -wavy. If•
the
the 'rings of the people were then to be ascribed to
that ose, the Ministers were the authors, and were ac•
emnstable for the result.(thar, hear.)—With respect
to the other points adverted to in the Speech, he would
sot trouble the House with mane observations. He
could not. however, paw over the allusion in the speech
te Whitten of Ireland. How could the unfertunate state
of flat country be viewed without feelings o( the. most
palatal regret and solicitude for the sufferings of that
ple? The misgovernment of that canntry for ages'
pt had at leegth produced the greatest misery. say,
thing beyond which it was not in human nature to en-
dure. 'that was the condition of the majority. To that
eountrytako promises were made only to deceive. aid.
hopes. given oily to disappoint. What did the Union
romise ? Yet what did that messare perform for Ire.
land? Without contributing to the advancement.
if England, it injured Ireland. It performed no.
thing: it was' a mere parchment Union, and was.
sot followed by any of' those consequences which
the Noble Marquess opposite (Londonderry) had
promised. Ministers per formed nothing for that
ee.ntry. The 'Hon. Member whoseconded the Address
indeed. was induced to hope that the present laws, as-
sisted by'conciliatlon, would restore trminillitv and
happiness to that country.. He (Sir F. Bur.iett) did not
undervalue the benefits arising from conciliation, and he
wished a system of more effective conciliat b
ion ad taken
place in that uohappy coantry sooner, by the admission.
of the people to their share in the benefits of the Con-
stitution. • It was a most scandalous proceeding to bar
the people from their civic rights.—(llear, hear!) The
tithe system in Ireland was the prolific source df owes-,
sion to the people of that country. It was a. system
which, without being proportionally advantageous to
the Clergy, pressed unequally and oppressively un the peo-
ple. The Kevemte of Ireland, before the Union was more
than sufficient for her own expenditure. Since
the Union she brought nothing to England. and was
' fleabite sunk deep in 'debt. tool: to the state of Ireland
In Iffn. ' Ireland bad then an organ hy which she could
her grievances be. heard. In 174 also, she had a
it loaof R beyond her e.tpenditure. There was
it . s'ilurplus of one millioe in her Treasury Iseyond her
' Hit what was the conditiuo of Ireland sinse?--
'Wish as indastriostsflogeuions, and energetic popela-,,
' i dos, she was scab to the very lowest pitch of wretched-
Ms e. 11 'wee most certainty net the (salmi** sufferlog
, tit weskit the System of laws sail government of
4". country. It was absurd to say the people were idle.
items well known that most of the hard labour of gag-
bud Wee performed by persons from Ireland, and that
ire oftenet the risk of starving here for want of em-
ployment, in hopes of which they were induced to come
ever. Idleness constituted no part of the character of
that people. Engiand.derived nothing from the cense-
lidatioo of the Irish Treasury with her's; and yet to
get that nothing you promote civil war among the na-
livev.--(Hear, hear.)—The state of the Excise Laws was
another grievance under which that country laboured--
those laws answered no purpose bat to harass the people.
In attempting to put down the private eine, the greatest
cruelties were sometimes tOtainitted, as might be seen from
the excellent observations contained in Mr. Chichester's I'
hook. These were the few observations which occurred
to the Hon. Baiond as proper to trouble the house with.'
lie saw nothing in the Speech regarding Scotland. The
Scotch were a wary and thrifty people, and were not
driven to desperation like the Irish. He could, however,
state some grievances, is that country too. The state
of the Burghs in that couutry resembled the corroption
in that House. When a gable Lord (A. Hamilton,)
wham he then saw in his place, brought into the Haase a
petition for the Reform of those Burghs, be (Sir, F,
Burdett) did not take any share in that discussion, be-
cause the Scots might suppose, from his principles 'of
Reform, their cause might suffer. lint all those griev-
ances might be sutmuoned up. in one word—namely, the
undue influence of the Ministers. No good could be
done without a Reform of that House. Those emir-
mical Reformers were the worst sort of Reformers. No
' sufficient or effectual. relief could be obtained without a
thorough reform of that House. To talk of economi-
cal Reform, was to talk of an effect wjthout a cause to
operate it. It was bard at present to distinguish parties
in that House ; but the broad and true distinction was
into those who were Reformers, and those who were
Corriiptionists.—(Hear, hear!)—The HO4l. Member for
.tbertleen (Mr. Hume,) though he (Sir F. Burdett) would
agree with the great majority in and out of that House
in the opinion of his profound research, industry, ands
perseverance, and correct calculation,
ii --- Net l ego detraliere &mins. .1
Iletrentem capiti magna cum laude coronam ;"
—though that Hon. Member laid opeh all the sources of I
corruption, and though he was deservedly called the
great Reformer of the day,—(hear, hear !) —yet, unless
the House of Commons was reformed, and unless it was
made independent of the Ministers, he who could, with-
out that, hope for economy in the application of the pub-
lic money, was, he did not hesitate to say, the most
visionary of mortals. It was his own intention to bring
forward the question of Reform in that House if the
Noble Lord below him had not given notice to that ef-
fect in the course of Chi evening. The Hon. Barone%
said, in conclusion, that, in due respect to the Crown
and to themselves, and to the country at large. he trusted
that his Majesty's Speech would be
_lima Into consider-
ation en the day after to-morrow (Tleesthly).
* , Mr. HOBINJUSE rose to second the amendment Of
his colleague, the lion. Baronet. There were, he ob-
served, promises of retrenchment constantly 'made, but
it was fur the douse to see if this retrenchment had been
effected. ,In the year Mgr as well as he recollected,
when• King William had -promised to disband his ariny.e,
and when the iloustmowtbal he had not disbanded it,
the Members of that House entered itito a resolution that
the King should disband it. That was a circumstance •
which hore a similitude to the present case. ..We heard
Of a reduction in the Military establishment—we had
nothing of time kind in the (Lizette, but we bail seen
more thabilltl net' AplwitituriOnts and tfroutotitins. 'l'h
thin. *knifeman ...'songratahmsd. the ilesse• 4n ~
Istate of foreign politica.. . Millie? ' !9,, Prone
in Italy—in the North Of filersiani—of. 'hi—
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siren I. his atoemiesOlArldidignkaidelhi /be Hoar' '
tits& good old prod of mijomeniorthe eeeeldevatl in
of, the Speech toe hdomeday. • • • • - . •
• The SPEAKER dim keviog read the Address, and •
tletrendinent to its and having pot the question oa eke
l
Mr. ORATTAN spoke in support of the amendment.
bat in a twee scarcely audible in the gallery. He we,
understood to lament the unfortunate date of Ireland. '
which hr ascribed chiefly to immoral law and to a 14
system of Government, from the days of Queen !Mirabelli 'i,
Owe to the reign •of his late Majesty. Nothinje adtl..
more nnfottunnte than the distracted state of did tiotabst
bee divided by religion and party.... He thought the
worst measure that could have been adopted with respect+...
to Ireland was the Union, which was au everiestiog die- 4
grace to those who bad carried it.
' The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said he did not
I think it necessary to trouble. the House with many ob- .1
striations. To meet the end which the Hen. liaroi:Jt ..
bad in view by the amendment, which he trusted would t
be negatived; he (the Marquess of Londonderry), wen* t
propose to take into consideration the state of llretioe...
on Thursday next. The Hon. Baronet might elemitt.l
perceive that there was no disposition on the rirt.4l4e
Ministers to pan by any of these Important question.
Oo Friday be would call the attention of the Moose tit,.
other points alluded to by the Hon. Baronet, sad thaw;
to the question of.the agvienitural distresses of dieted",
try. when he would disclose to Ilia House the idemd,
which his Majesty's Ministers hod taken of that sobjeet..4
He might also venture to assure the House that
Right.tioo. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer),,
would be then ready to bring is his Bill with regard too
the Superannuation of Officers, and respecting retrench...,
moat in the. Naval and Military departments, and weskit:(
also be ready to put the House in fall poideasion of tbse
retrenchments which were already made,. Maytag nit,
that be was prepared to bring those great. questiopm •
under the consideration of the. House, be . felt that ;el4
might be presumption in him to say that any thing 11%4
3lajerey's Ministers had done wasiocapahle of receiving •
some improvement in that Meese; hat 10 trusted it.
would be seen that they had at heart the interests of
their country. They would, in the wean time, best dilr
charge their duty by carrying this Address,. by which.
he would gain repeat, no one was to be Considered as
pledged to any particular measure. . •
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON could not suffer the Address
to pass without considering the state of Ireland, to which,
they bad a duty to perform. He would remind the Noble
Marquess that it was now nineteen years since he tbooltbk,
It is duty to tell the Noble-1 ord that the nufortooete,
state of Ireland should be made a Cabinet question, and,
recommended from the Throne to the cousiderition,o(
Parliament. It was the duty of the Goveromeat to probo.
to the bottom the grieva aces under which that serietry
laboured.
' • The Marquess of LONDONDERRY in explode/ion,
was! understood to say, that he had voceived iletpatelies.
lfrom the.lrisb Government, which would be.priated sad.
aid before the House urine:row (this day), pretieet to;
the eutertaining of that question on Tbiriaday. 0 ••••
• Sir J. NE tYPOIt'r slid; • that as the. Kehle 'Mar.
quells had iefewintsl the Heise that des chef from the
Lord lieutenant of Irelaed ehonld be laid oo did table
treutorrew, and that the diertroion on the state of that
!country should take place on Thetiday, be (Sir ). New-
port) would not oppose titqoAddress.
• Mr. BROUGHAM thought, is the resent slide of the
agricohnee of the kingdens,l46oeven this trit tliFbt of
,the Sleeken should oats siErhOod to pass *vermeils t:
site,* conviderition of at quisilistabedise
;entertained by that House. , elf himself pirtkiderlf
'intriotte ki'deliesdbillespiseetaWdditilltseeestite-etth it
.qoestion, because Int.baik.isoin orwasintynie be., li
absent when that rimed iteffelent eubjeetreinsi re
tion of Cash -Payments, waai noder the consideration of
Parliament—that measure to which be considersid en a
of the present distress of the country could be isomer!. •-•
He wealth, however, reserve. himself until the cm:aid:r-
ation of the Repott—whes he would state what he so r
sidered to be best, and what he found was the oily sp t•
cific remedy—lie meant a reduction of taxation.-:-(Rana.
' hear.) —He could have wished the Meuse should not st•
pirate without some assurance to the country, that b.-
fore the carrying up to the.Throue the Addrera then +in
der consideration, that the attention of Parliam.• r.
should be directed to .the subject of the Sinking Fun I.
with, an intention of potting a stop to it for ever. al I
which he should denominate an arithmetical error ol-
der which the country had' long laboured. Althou e i
he lamented that that pledge Would not be gives), he, fo
one; would, to-morrow, on the Report, fully discuss t't •
measure, and the only remedy that he thought *into it,
Mr. HUMd thought the tiros hail arrived forth. &a-
cuseion of the state of the country, and the ean.i.irratioa
of those atenmulated dist under which it laboure 1;
therefore, should the Hour! 'eject the Amendment of is t
Hon. Hart., he would move an .Intendinent. to which .t t
anticipated no opposition. 'A few words in explanatiai
of the object of his proposed Amendment then isn't
place between the Hon. lieut. 'and the Speakir, af i•••
which the question was put, end etrangers were orders 1
to
iesiowithdraw.
in
A d then took place, when there were—
For the Amendment, 58—Against it, 186—Majority
against the Amendment I• 28.
On our re-admission to the gallery, we found Mr,
Hume on his legs. lie found no grounds for confr Ou-
lation with respect to the Revnue of the conatry. T.te
lion. Gentleman here entered into a statement of rte
Iterenneum.l expenditure niche country for the last tire
years, from which he proved that the expenditure wts
undiminished. whilst the gross receipts had not increased,
although three millions of new taxes had been laid on.
The next item io the address to which lee alluded was
the reduction in our expenditures. The reductione mad..
by .11ittisters consisted in the disedisal of ISOmr .1.00
unfortunate clerks—(4l4r, Itearl)--in driving. that
' smuttier of individnala to ple'..rtratol desperation.--
Th.; Hon. 31e:utter then alluded to the rejection of all
the red :etions proposed by him last Session, wide!' II of
' been cbaracterited by the.Nottle Secretary at Wet. 34
folly: but the suotnetit4'bli. •nt had separated. the
fully changed from his (...lr. 11u0i..',..)11,•a1l to that of the
Noble Lore, and the redactions he had proposed se..re
carried into effect.—(Hear, and a I tacit.) —Altboa zh
Ministers, however, had reduced some hundreds of un-
fortnnate'Clerks, :he Civil List remained entombed. In
,tili'essrsde.ntilt"ro enaLlhie:"".llininie:td' eratititte lu;retiritri idneonks tliceilapetirsileoenats
Woiding sitnations from w.tich they derived very lar{e
salaries. In the Navy precisely the same comlurt bni
been linefeed. The ,ion. Gentleman then proceeded to
notice theft:mythicise( lisin:efers in filling up useless o'ters
I after they bed become' vitae' and ought to be abolieked.
Mr. Hume skit toot( notice of the expensive and tan-
' tastio 'lmam it Aolsiels the. English soldiers were now
dressed out, so thief they were MM. like Merry Audi-ewe
than the soldiers sect op during the early part of the
•lato King's reign. H. Obeli. adverted to. the Foreign Sta-
. lions, and the manner ialthich some of them —the lonian
Islands for instants—week ?ea tected. The /expense of
maitoubling these coaotriee was enormous ; co,was the
- orpenearof inaketaieg Males and the Cape of time Hop
The last plate wealmiliteiestly able to soatateita• its own
expenses, end so Weele4llllllf osber.eoendes i imitate' Jr
which • ettnemotsi tittlin.nAlnotiq. vromosioesss froonshli
C4.,li4fl44ll4llooll6le6sMAiditleevearan in.. dike. of.
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