The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-03-28 00:00:00

TFIR STATESMAN.

that House, heath of Which were is grief conformily wkh the
course he pointed oat in itats present instance. One of these
precedents Ind theme of the Right Hon. Gentleman himself
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) last year. In that case
an Hon. Member (Me. Maddocks) whoni he was happy to
see in his place, and who would correct him if he should
make any mistake, had submitted a brief complaint to the
House. Exception was takeo to the proposition for pro-
ceedidg with doe Charge at that time, and .conseatteutly some
(lays delay took plot., after which the lion. Member brought
forward his charge again, which he prefaced with an argu-
mentor comidaralsie length, shelving the ;;rounds upon whith
'he founded his aceteation. The Right Hon. Gentleman was
then heard at length in his defence, as was also a Noble Lord
(Castlereagb).who was implicated with him in the transaction
which gavtrise to the charge (respecting the seat of Mr.
Dick, thealtseently vacated). BothOhe Hon. Members had'
had the advantage of hearing the speech of kis Hun. Friend,
and after they had made their defence and withdrawn, all
that remained foe. his lion. Friend to do was, to -übmit his
Olotind to the House. The other precedent wAs, that of the
Lnrd Advontte of Scotituld, some years since, when an Floe.
Friend of his . (Mr. Whitlivend) explained the ground of
his occultation in a long speeeft, reserving his motion only till
that Noble Lord hod made a long speech in his own justifica-
tion. and withdrawn. The same course, according to all the
infornmtion which helm' been able to collect, ought to tie
P.oltied in the meson ease; and it was upon the thorough
conviction of the propriety of that course. according to the
renstio of the thing, that he had ventured to 'goo-0 it. Time
Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to have ereaily misunderstood
the views he had upon this question. An lion. Member. had
produced a Painphieto he work of souther lima, Member, and
read some passages from that Pamphlet, which he
made the. ground. oil a charge of breach of the privi-
leget of that House ngainst the anthor.—How such
passages were a violation of the privileges of that House laid
not been shewn; and unless that couldhe shewn, and if the
writer remained still of the SOW tatiniim as when he tondo.
the pamphlet. be contended that his lion. Friend could not
khotr on what ground he was charged, or in what manner to
defend himself, ponicularly as he hail stet .d that, iu w'ritiug
it, be did not conceive that he was infringing any privifoge
of that House. If the Hon. Baronet 'had changed his opts,
clhe might undoubtedly retract, °equality, or even tog;
his conduct;, but without knowing in whot 'way seats-.
ts, as ex premed in his work, were considered a violation'
of the privileges of that House, it was actuaVy impossible
for him to know what defence to make. Ile could nut sup-
pose it to be the object of the Right Hon. Gentleman to en-
trap the Hon. Baronet into the embarrassment in which the
proceeding proposed must unrittestionaolv involve him. It
was a fallacious argutnem of the Right 'Hon. Gentleman to
soy, that if the lion. Baronet was its hear the speech of the
lion. Gentleman, he would equally be entitled to hear the
whole discussion. When rut Hon. Member called the often-
lien of the House to agrave and serious matter of charge, it
was hut fair %hot the accused Member should have an oppor-
tunity tn. hear the grounds upon w hien the charge was !toight
forward; and after defetwitig himself in his place, he re-
quired to withdraw without hearing any part of the subsequent
discussion. The reason of site case, therefore, totre him oat
in the course he recommendod; nod he must contend that the
floss. Baronet was entitled to the fair advanta-e.nf hearing
the grounds upon wh.cli the Hon. Manlier had made tile
c plaint and charge against kiln..
The SPEAKER felt himself IMO in duty to the Hobse
to bring to the recollection of Gentlemen, that in cases of
complaints :against Members, there were two sorts of-pro-
eredinos resorted to by the home, Which might account for
tie difference of opinion on this question. One of these pro-
ceedings was, when a complaint nos founded upon a Writteu
paper, or other document. Oa hea that was the case, the pa-
per on which the complaint was founded was given in at the
table, after which the Member, the object of the charge,
was heard io his defence from his place, and then required to
withdraw. The House, upon that, uniforaily proceeded to
discuss, the merits of the charge, and came to a hind decision
upon it. The other. course Will that which was followed
when a Member cool., have no notice of the charge against
him ; in which ease the ISlemlier bringino,forward the charge
,was bound to clear the grounds of his motion, audatate the
nature of the charge. To this description of cases be con-
• ceived the ease of the Lord Advneate of Scotland, already
alluded to by the Noble Lord, to belong. In that inothoce
the- eharee was founded on a letter, which had -heea written
by that Noble land, in an official character, to an individual
in Scotland. The grounds of the charge were fully stated,
and that Noble Lord was heard at length in his defence. The
House would recollect the comments, which, after that
Noble Lord had withdrawn, had been made mrthespe lee of
detepce to which he hod resorted. The Noble bed, In that
defence, which appeared to many Honourable Members
full and sallsfietory, had pade some allosion to the pc*
euliar laws and itioitutions of Scituate' ; and It must he
fresh in the recollection of several Gentlemen, bow
these aaasiuns had iseen commented upon, and the cosameati
modtto bear npnn the question under discussion. lie took it
tube the right of a Member under aroma/inn, to have due
notice of the charge against him, hut not of the arguments in
support or it. Iran Honourable Member was entitled to hear
all the argutneuts is support of the charge before be should
withdraw, then be should not withdraw till the House should
have passed its vote upon the subject—a doctrine which could
not for a moment he entertained. The course of proceedings
laid down in the Text Books, directed, that in case of a charge
founded on a a ritten document, that document should begivea
in, and that the Member under occusotioa, after !mine heard
in his defence, should then be required to withdraw., But in
cases where the complaint should not be founded on any %rif-
le') document, the accused party had a right to hear the ground
of the charge stated before, lie sh old he put upon his ciefetire
prreinus to his withdrawing. lie felt it mu be his gut: to t 0,..
the House in possession of these circumstances, as ta the art:-
form and established course of proceeding in all matters of
coil:trial:its against in :ividual Members.
Mr. LETH BRIDGE then rose to state the grounds of his
charge, and declared that in doing SO he should be very
short. Many reasoas, he observed. induced hiin to be brief
on this occasion. The principal (me was, the little habit he
was in of addressing that House. The task he had undertaken'
was painful rand difficult, hut however painful or difficult it
was, be felt himself called upon to bring forward the ques-
tion. The letter of the document was, aim ever' so clear, the
real question lay within nleillt small compass, that it would
require but little abilities to pot 'it in form fur the deci-
non of the House. Really, front what hail fallen from the
Noble Lnrd oppssite, one would have supposed, that he
(Mr. Lethbridge had written a low, speech on the subject,
the copy of which he had dropped from his pocket, and
was found by the Noble Lord, who thought to embarrass
hip by calling for a speech, nn longer In his power to make.
He had, however, no object but to stote briefly the two re-
solutions which be meant to sropose. These. he trusted,
would beadopted by the House. Tory must, if that House,
wished tai save its own character, and that 'of Old Eng..:
land. He spoke from the bottom of his heiset. lie
wished the Honourable Baronet was -present to hear him. [A
laugh, and hear, hear !j He should repeat his with, Blot
the Hum. $ tronet had lint been precllided by the forms of
the House from hearing a hat lie toad to say. He felt no hos-
tility to that Honourable Baronet; he hug much higher mo-
tives for his conduct on this occasion. He was convinced that
if the House had any regard for its Character ..it would put
restop to such proceediags as they hod witoessed of late. He
had beard things stated its that !limos, which lied made tile.
hair on his bead stand oneari. .tf laugh.] He could :vain e
the House that the feelings of horror with which he had
heard it stated, that, " in the opiniou of the publiet the repu-
tation at that House had nut a leg to stool upon, had-pro-
duced that erect upon him. He trusted that such proceed-
ings would be effectually put to stop to, ant with that vie*
hr shmild pr pose the following Ilesolutiouo. foe the adoption
of toe House :
let. Resolved, That the letter trip. I Sir Francis Burdett,
and tile further argument, which was published in the paper,
rolled Cohbeles Weekly Regisfer, On the 21th of this in-
deed, is a libellous and scandalous paper, reflecting upon the
just rights and privileges of this House.

td. Resolved, That Sir Franek Birdett, who suffered the
above articles to he printed with his aaine, and by his autho-
rity, has Iseeu guilty of a violation of the privileges of this
House. •
Mr. AIL,' ES seconded the motion. The course of pro-
ceeding in this case had berg deemed unusual; that was not
the fact. for it was fully justitied'iis preredenl, and he ht-
'tamed. in proof of his assertion, the preredesit of Mr. Ar-
nim:Hail, who. st Icing back at the dra of February, IboB,
nail committed to prison for u MnhiLarolTcace. This evinced
the jealousy of their forefathers with relied to their 'rights
aad privileges, and he trusted that. the /louse of Commons .if
ill*); Would not be inure repot:ess of theierights and privi-
leges'fban the Howe of Commons of 15,4. He adjured 010
House to comdder the dangers whira might arise Nan allow-'
Mg such a vehement attack upon their character and degnit.
to pass unpunished. A spirit bad, lately brim raised so this
coumry by.a class of permaki, few iu number, but active in.
which it became the House to quell, if they
wigged to preserve the estinuttiou iu which they hal hitherto
been held.
Mr. PONSONEY had never been inclined to chew a die-,
respret. fee thesharacter of tie Home, be thought 10-

. . •
.
subjetiregnired the gravest and most deliberate consideration
tattle end that they might come to a satisfactory conclusion.
The Honourable Gentleman bad caussxl a very
long paper to
I be read, in which he had pointed' out some objectionable
parts. The House 'must, however, he aware, that to judge
from some parts of a long document of the whole paper, with-
out comparing the variosts,.was very cliiEcult, muse especially
when it aniolyedi point of law. He hoped the House would
not suspect him of shrinking from the discussion when he
proposed anadjgamnsent of the debate. There was another
important question before the House, for which they were all
prepared. • On that *subject he had some claim' to their atten-
tion. For the subject then before the ilsaise, he thought it
probable they were not so well prepared. He was not, for
his (MR part. He should therefore move, as an Amend-
tnent, that that debate should he adjourned till that day se'n-
night.
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER had no in-
tention to oppose any adjournment of the subject, hut he was
averse to its twin adjourned fur so lone a time. He thought
the earliest day that is sld be named fur resuininethe debate
mat desirable, as fir as it respected the House as well as the
individual. The Member alluded to had been desired to
wiihdra* ; he did not say bow far that circumstance, inter-
fersd with I :. voting on another question ; but if the law of
the House would permit him to do so. which he thought
'Meta he questioned, it was not very consistent with the dig-
nity of Parliament that a Member should take pair' in their
proceedings who had just violated their privileges. He would,
therefore, propose to the Honourable Member opposite, that
the debate should be, resumed to-morrow (11, ednesslav).
of on Thursday. He thought it date to the character of the
House, that the discussion of a subject so important should
not be deferred longer than was necessary. tae hoped the
lionourahle Gentleman would moue tomorrow—if be would
not. he (the Chaucellor of the Exchequer) would move un ]
Amendment to that elioct. tie concurred with the propogi-
thm of adjourning the debate, on the grauud of its beige ne-
cessary to examine carefully a* very long paper which bad
been laid before them. Ile wished it adjourned till to-naor-
row, that they might have timb to give it a patient exami-
nation, nod that by that Limo Obey could do so, no one could
doubt. He concluded by moving au an Aiaesadment, that the
wheel :.to-morrow," should be subwituted for" that day sea-
4. .
-f- . WHITBREAD contended, that his Right /Immure-
*aid, in moving the question &' adjournment, had no
beau view hut to enable the House to come to a fair and
just derision, when they should be in full possession of the
teboleof the coatems of the paper. 'f%. Right Honourable
Gentleman opposite (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) must
be aware that there was at this moment a most important dis-
cussion pending, on a subject relating pi estinally to himself,
though so highly inlet-earn:, to the public.. It was not his in-
tention to impute to the Right Honourittle Geutleman any
design to bring in a:ay other question tv interfere with the
progress of that iii which he was so doeply concerned.—
Moe, haat ri lie ci;ula not suppose it that Right lion.
entleman's wish to rive precedence to manher question with
any view to di- tenet the attention; of that House and of the
Public fro as the subject, a hich lout occupied so Mirk tile
time of both. Many ilononrable Members' were anxious to
.deliver their sentiancnts on that subject ; am I his Right Ho.
:mumble Friend was even in possession of it's House fur the
purpose of stating Isis opinion upon it. Wissn they consider-
ed that the present dehtee, produced no di aoht by accident
alone, had been protracted to so line an hog r, as well as the
short period that must necessarily intervene between the ter-
mination-of theakhate 'of this night, and the time of their
meeting to-morrow, Gentlemen would be convinced of the
impossibility that Members could conic doiaito-morrow pro-
perly prepated fur die discussion of this qaestion, so impor-
tant not alone to the Honourable Baronet', but to the interest
of the House. ?or :limself be could say, that he was not pre-
pared at present to 0 iuto that digest's's)°, neither could he
be prepared by to-morrow. All than was asked for was, that
they might go into the discussion on the earliest day after tbey
shooed be prepared to resume it with effect. That could not
be thecase to-morrow. Tae debate on the Expedition could
not br expected to terminate that night; or, if it should',
would conclude at so late an hour as to reader it impossible
fur Gentlenien to make themselves sufficiently acquainted with
the cincumstaaces of tiwcase then under consideration. He
should, therefore, as the debate on the Expedition could nut
potsihly terminate hefure Thursday morning, propose to his
Right Homotrable Friend to take. Friday instead of this day
th..hueight, as the day to which the debate should be adjourn-
ed. The Honourable Member concluded by moving an
Amendment t-i that effect.

Lord FOLK 1..8 TONE had no expectatiot of an adjourn.
meat being proposed, but he rejoiced at the prptiattion, as
it gave mom time to Investigate the subject ; aid he *Mad
.venture t040v.. mat the morethe subject was inquired into,
the more who'd, it reclaim(' to the crtdit of his Hon. Friend.
He imploresl the Howe attentively to consider the import-
asses of qtr case. He hoped they would come. (town w ith
feelings Very ditTerent to those of the mover, and the seconder
*of toe motion, and they would regard the question, not as
inertly relating to the case of the Hon. Bart. but as inti-
mately connected with the fundamental principles of she
Constitution and the law of the laud. The tieatletnea oppo-
site, helloed, would find they had not properly considered
the subject. He was for adjoUrning the debate till that day
se'might.
Mr. STEPHEN said, the r oble Lord had furnished unan-
swerable arguments in favour of the amendment. Thu im-
portance he attached to the. subject was; sunlcient to show the
improkiety of admitting of any delay.' If u subject were
tutoring unlawfully, anxious as he woe for the decision on
that great question which concerned the character of his
Right lion. Friend, yet if a man were unjustly imprisoned,
would inquire into the subject immediately, when nothing
e.solil he urged against such an inquiry hut that the character
to' t.is Right lion, Friead would be cleared up a day or two
so 'nee in consequence of it. The question not only related
to their privil:•get' but to the imprisonment of
.Apr. Gale
Jones; he could thetefiev in etch stew hardly agree in put-
ting it off at all. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had berm
harshly accused of wishing to inters opt the discussion of the
grand questiost then pending, that he might gain a few hours.
The acrosatioa was uniust, and might have been made with
the same pivity of reason had such a circumstance occurred
at the eoinsneurement of the inquiry. The proposed adjooro-
meut of the subject till to-tanrrow was quite enough, and he
donhted if it were not too much.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not ia-
tend troubling the House at length. though, as there was a
new question, he was tint prohibited from so doing. When
he was accuse:l of endeavouring to interpose a day, merely. to
canoe n delay of 24 hours hi the discussion of the merits ot the
Into Expedition, the House uouldamt expect him to remain
silent, and he taought i 1 was in his power to make a satis-
factory isomer wituout going to any lens,th, as it was only ne-
cessary to ask the House, if be ever took any step to iater-
pose one day or one hour to interrupt or delay their inqui-
ries ? If he look wished for Doe day, could the lion. Geode-
! man suppose. that had he appealed to the House solicilog
such an inclidgeoce, from the situation in which the papers
were that had been laid before the Howe, Wai it supposed
that such an application could have been by possibility re-
sisted? He was far from wishing to create tiny delay: on the
contrary, he was as auxious for getting through wilts the
bu-
siuess as the Hon. Gentleman himself could be. It was un-
just to charge him with causing a delay. Was he the author
of the libel in question? Did Iscpreyail on the Hon. Baronet
to publish it on Saturday ? It was absurd to think so.. The
ground no whirls hie-louLpitoooseil an Amendment was, that
where a li:timer of importance was laid before them, it was
not well to come tot a decision on the first reading: hut when
the Noble Lord said, it was not tin the paper but on the
law that they were to decide. it became a question'of such
importance, that while it called for their gravest considera-
' (ion, it demanded their immediate attention. It wits a goes-
tam on which the character, the independence, and even Me
existence of that If suers depended ; and if they rouietited to
postpone it one hour unoccessarily, ttiey ronseuted to helms's-
pled. ou, anti surreudered their privileges and Sihat ar iu .so
doing. Fur these reasons be would not withdraw his Amend-
ment. lle had little doubt of whist wood be the sense of
the House on the subject. it haviog been so recently expr.ssed
by an almost uunnisnous vote.
Mr. BAT/I CRS felt that every Mesnher must regret that
this qiestion had been forced upon toe ems ideration of the
'House. Me thought that whatever opinion might ix:enter-
tained as to the character of the pu'Aicutiou in qbeoion, the
difference of one or two days could wit be of much conse-
quence. He thought the stdjoarnment should exte d till alter
the decision upon one question respecting .the peditinn.
He had read the publication, and thought that in very plow
langaare; it impeached the legasity of theaten i-e of a pH-
vilege which was strictly conformable to the prae is • of that
House. Ear his own part. he thought the privil get of that
Home its much a part of the law of the land as that ustaltil•
ten law which was universally recognized in oar Courts of
Justice; hut on the grounds be had wrote stated, he should
Tote for the adjournment to Friday.
Mr. C. W If NNE referred to seseral eases wham, under ti-
miter circumstances, a delay of several • days was allowed
before the discussion was brought on. He must contend. that
It was actually intriesible for Gentlemen to he prepaieel for
the discasioa to-morrow.. He was oat of theft who had
voted on the foruntr uncitioo, and alight, perbape, 'whetter
prepared fur this diseossitia Man inhere. Ow a Imo he eunsi.
dered that only Itil) Herben had been present Ist that discus—,
sipp, and looked rilianJ hith sow, and• percefveil thil nearly
401, were 'meat, he timid ant conceive bow those w tie had
•

bearditateratel:naeryerc4:iirnasatohletth-editt 'hi
eetrnd
idhgiii‘seth.ilyi ps!: autahr,:t3t:pielaretreur,ePirtiesee:llll:ll:o,,di
ethaartly
consents the adjonenmeot tu Friday.
Mr. MADOOCKS spoke n few wadi on lye, ..
after which a division took ulace, when 64 nu,„,,:"` N.,
--For the Amendment 190—Against is 115. ----r3 "ea
, Another division took place, on an Amend
e
by Mr. Whitbread, that the discussion shoutronetat"t4
Instead of to-morrow. The numbers were—. ' ---' aoit
~,i+For Mr. Whitbread's Amendment . '
4.... Agaiust it - - - -, In
• , 2 Majority fur proceeding to-morrow (this day) 11
the Noble L id
ADJOURNED DEBATE ON TIIE .1
(:::
FaP EDIT ioN
TO THE SCHELDT. .
Mr. PONSONBY said,
•
last night defended the Expedition to Walcheeft
had stated, that one principal inducement t,
6.1
fitting out of that armament, WAS the heee;
which this country took hi the straggle alike 4,16
tria was at that period making against the --
stotletmleenltorrdecowiiitelictienugt,parsiseh,c
dwihde,ntheheitihsetraordtha44:
croachments of France. He had listened telt
given to the Noble Lord who had been placate
the head of that Expedition, which set yenta,iii
though snitch, it was hoped, would result honk
to the benefit of Austria, yet he was to heir'
mind that the force he counnanded was more p '
cularly directed against the fleet and aromas
France. He could nut, after this, covet his I
.lure by saying the ulterior objects of the r- --
1
lion (as they *ere called) were secondary to
assisting the Austrian cause. The opinions
Noble Lord had called for, he had in no inatuite
attended to. He had said, "it is true theype
not very favourable, but they did not prohibit es
from prosecuting my design." This he (s,,
Ponsouby) contended was no justification et he
conduct. If the Noble Lord were about to pr.
chase a house, and should take the opinion a
Counsel on the subject, if the lawyers become.
ed should tell him that, the title was bad, Oleo
be might possibly enjoy it unmulested, he wastes
the Noble Lord had tun much prudence to tee
the purchase: so spoken against. The Nettle Loa
would not purchase a house under such circus.
stances, contrary to the advice of those he W
consulted, though he had thought proper duals
send'out an Expedition. But he had sent, Outs ,
was not obliged to consult military men, and tie
a Minister was not to be bound down by their ope
idol's. Very hue,. the Minister might take th 1
whole of the respunsibitity upon himself, but du.
ing so, ho was botind to uct like a man of seen,
and if he did not, as he hail taken that responsi.
bilitly upon himself, it was the ditty of Patinae
to ptinish him fur his tacitness. That Noble Lord
seemed rather to coeaplain of his Noble Friend, at
not having' acted (elite right in closing the evidence
en his part without 'bringing forward General
Brownrigg. There as no ground for that cum.
plaint. His Noble Friend had made several appli.
cations to General, Brownrigg, who, had always
declined coming forward oil account of indisposi.
lien, so that at last he was obliged to close his en.
deuce withoet having examieed General Brown.
rigg at the liar. The Noble Lord opposite had,
'However, produced him, and that was qtaiteasae
tisfactory to the House, as if he had come forward
when called upon before. What had he said iuis
evidence ? Why,- he hell given it a; his opiniev,
that had a landing been effected at Sinteliet by tie
3d of August, there would have been a preoaki.
lity of its operations being successful. This wu
nut a statement which he had received from any
naval authorities; but it was an inference of his
own, drawn from what had failed from suclias.
thorities. The Noble Lord had said, that, fur
his own part,' he was of opinion that there would
have beets a probability of success, even after teat
period. He-could not exactly state any period at
which he had been of opinion that no chance ~
success existed, .if the operations had iwen carried
en. If he could nut state that he had b-L'it of
opinion at any given time, that eicry ciialice of
success had vanished, he must have born Lf ()N-
-010% as a prospect of success remained, !eat
blame was imputable to those by whom it Brien Gun.
ducted—that there was a want of judgment or of
enterprize to make the attempt. The Noble Lor4
who wese at Deal, superintending the Expedite *,
must have known' that to arrive at Santrliet by the e
3d of August was imposeible. Ile had said drat
he was not answerable fur unforeseen circuanatan-
ces ; but. a Minister was deeply responsible fur
the success of an expedition when no adverse Wei-
dent 'of importance: which :might not have beer
foreseen occurred. The Noble Lord had favored
the House by loug citatione,of the case of Sir Joke
Mordaunt's Expedition against , Rtechefutt, in
which he more than insinuates a competition be. _
Os cot that and the ExpeditioN to the Seliehn-
Luid Chatham, the great Lord Chatham, assn .
that case the War Minister, and failed. Di No •
ble Lord was now the War `Minister, iia ow
failed. There was, however, some little differ-
ence between 1140 6:() men. Lard Chatham stood
ut least as high in the opinion of the country slaw'
Noble Lord. Lord Chatham bad pretensions
to the confidence Of the
eeople—e tench the Noble
Lord woe Id be scarce hardy enoughto think bine •
self entitled to. Lord Chetbarn, as a War Mini'•
ter, had becu rather inure successful than the Ne:
•
hie Lord; and with revpect to talents, there gig!!
be those who thought that Lord Chatham woe'!_
nut stiffer by a comparison even with the 1‘11)".
Lion!. But to what end had the Noble Lordmire
the: solitary instance of Lord Chatham's failure? .
Why select that only instance? Why nut look fir
some of Vie many instances in which he had sae-
ceeded ? though it was to .he. admitted, that li'
comparison of a case of failure with any n'eas",!:
of the Noble Lo'ed, to 117" g,
the comparison itself mwaosretahapt,beasittilwthAYits
it was intended to be argued. Sir John Mar'
flaunt was sent against Rochefort, and failed.'
Antwerp is circumstanced lihe Rochefort, the.r.,r*
fore we sent an expedition to' Antwerp, and fare
likewise. But there nag sonic dif&rence is the
unlotint of force employed in
hale, in the Expedition egeinst ltuultefort,tlol l
, send out above Bor 10,000 men. lie did rut
,ee
risk a whets army ; he slid not expose.the fob.
bulb. ' Lord (~.11:0:
army of England to' ineiltehle destrectioc::.
In the course of the commentaries of O'Neil°
perhe
Lord upon the evidence, be stated that that ef C4'
escral Browneige was the most material ' l'ff"

peered.
Allan
other'
delve.
watitessil
prowl";
w.Geti
aithenti
Brown-
lit Belk
*Ph,
,rosidt•

OA if I
of
•ical "1
froto
thy the
leet t.
'the -1•11
'tit4tlet
orlt 11

s.h.sl

'owed
.lia.itS
dd.

Igitt IS ifii

Mxrr f

1....Un

WWI

Ihul t
ti tyi

,Aitt wt.

Gi

thry

tievl ill ,
*boo 141

whit•

an'; b.

ihr rs

or Si•
1c I,

tun~~

Otte.

11.111 I
g .u.4/1
Slid 1

amoot
of Nlt
the
Th it

rim;ic
trim
of Ai

clows
Bit I
form
[Wirt

tit.d
lo is,
huts

men
nu
Bon
kiss,

Beni
Cad,
the

%it
all

cui
exi
till

• '
for '
slitoeteedni•c.f:stviitwonneraudildontielevldi •
4,:rimlonlii.ow.tktieloTuello,theiihoeguie. iiF:i
number, ;
ry,:p.iendi,e.afaiyuit.:hwi..eAteilirrietearhe:nrilerliuie,_htb.„2:eyn.rittisiio!
diodpciii:ri:ll.:sourr.r:i..;.!.l
)STATEerceuaadt thatit 9
the
ke-EnAeniaadic:inicensssdeTtatiioititiniolEsluilF..ituoxreplu.Evnr::::ll:B:thiPArt: 3
,Olurte.lll,,,"ee.,l:l.',:ir
authentic
' - - Bro.vittio
oroeeeding to-morrow (thi du\ 211
' Jr"...--.1 et Bit Itz.
o THE SCHELDT. —.wit 'still), r'''
gin' said,, Cite Noble UN i, ,
tvoita
ic•
one principal inducement c ("I it.
II
ry took iu the Straggle oiticiLllti-,t !teat lit)
:thpesruiort
ilsrinisca,kiwnghenagahieutheat.hird; iftrle:::‘,;;;1
ble Lord, who had been or, ,'"1 iitadel a
Austria, yet he was tU-1„." 11!)
iSlit:lh":4l
Expedition, which sit forth,
slarlt " 3s
i.}:tieuhcwecireadtaattihisnnitectglaheuelror.toliain:,t)steatradtillhnfloicaecinw,lid)jrdthli,tgical.ullidivilii:itia:holsrealefscstso(eitumhtihtnelse:°dttrtrf.Eelibrts°l::',seimillasT. -rsltlir e1".":4_.. cd,,;.fil.....llll,:ilitcnit '4l
r. :[t
against the fleet and envoi] ,i- "c„"' c I
3:reerciaallitetcla)uswe.erels,heceoonptiriyontie
it --rienj.u.,..r.hat 1,41:
called for, he had in no instals hid they
Soutane(
-. Alit wi•i'l
eel:b"ihteina:l*drib Nobleswiiatai
Is( design."
iti hlerl ‘doyi d
werejtl justification
tsniT:tarchtbuaiPuyst iruoth
°tlinheet i uy_b°4:11:::: h.r..,,,k(
'toe t xi
thry wit
and should take the opinion,( in:
ihtel el lawyers
ismobtjheaett,tiiife
title
15 • then hat
y enjoy it unmolested, hi Udine ite tit
1610 lon, 19
had too much prudence to make 11l
an,; h.it
spoken against. The Nettle 64
:Nose a house under such circus. 9114.tet
yto the advice of those he W a0,.,.:•ii
gh he had thought prii.ter thus,' a Seal
edition. But he had said flat! ,the No!
Kw, ts
to consult military men, and tint nuts, !
of to be bound down by 6(.44 eihte..
uc,. the Minister might take tie • n Ms,
tpunsibitity upon himself,'
but d ' ""
lb givolls.
lotind to act like a man of nil it
t, as he hail taken that rep, .....,
Lerbsaked,col ill. , .titts
elf, it was the duty of Parham!' of %Ito
1r his tacitness. '1 bat Noble Lad the Ai
complain of his Noble Friend, a 'r ,t t
otuite right in closing the evidence ~,,,,pica
thout 'bringing forward General mitt;irn
icre as no ground for that cum. li4rnre
bits Friend had mad. several appli. respect
ral, Brown rigg, who, had always of Aal
forward oil account of indisposi. Millets
slit he was obliged to close his mi. Bet th
tying examined General Browu. formai
The Noble Lord opposite Ind, Goliveri
cmd him, and that was claim aps.
House, as if ho had come forward eital"' f
Lord's
n before. What had he said labia it *Ai
r,- he hail given it at his open*, iwfdrist
ig been effected at Sinteliet by ble UM to
here would have been a primal& whie.i.
Lions being successful. This wu Nest:.
which he had received from any 11141 II
1; but it was an inference of his this tb
pm what had' failed from seals. none I
Noble Lord had said, that, fur tits,,.,
t was of opinion that there would to toy
oability of success, even after kat 'tuts 3
Id not exactly state any period at restre
:ten of opinion that no chance ,• !T.. m 4
if the operations had toren carried ' ,I .1
Id nut state that he had b-o'n of , „i'given time, that every clia,iice of it, Alit
iShell, he must have been a opt• did tit
;Peet of success remained, !kW' N 1)1.•
able to those by whom it Was ion. in a st
ire was a vane of judgment or I inforo
ke the attempt. The Noble [seri-. ht of
I, superintending the Expedittea; ' from ;
it that to arrive at B:intend by tba Uwe•
as imposiible. He had said tlat gut,
erable fur unforeseen ciremnstie- men,
ester was deeply responsible fur no tl
i expedition when no adverse WM- Binh
mice Which:might not have beet kiss.
d. Tho Noble Lord had favored Breda
ig citationi,of the case of Sir Jolla cOod
pedition against , Rochefort, in }kw
han insinuates a competition be.. Cad,a
the ExpeditioN to the Wadi. the g
the great Lord Chatham, "111 • were
r Minister, and failed. Theti~ by th
ow the War 'Minister, and alw it em
Wag, however, some little ditfee• Lord'
1 to:o men. Lard Chatham stood lin•re
I the opinion of the country tithe 11th
Lord Chatham bad pretensiest the g
of the people—ultich the NON' • of c
icarce hardy enough to think hito• ' Lard
Lord Chatham, as a War Min hear
her inure successful than the No* had
rith respect to taloots, there ;Mel licab
',twist that Lord Chatham wood bis o
~
comparison even
what end had the Noble Lordenra Nuts!
the Nellfr ever)
ante of Lord Chathani's failure? . still
only instance? Why not look ft r have
ay instances in which he had tor. cant
it nas to .b& admitted, that lbc Nate
case of failure with any meas",," to th
old,
otd, was the best way to masc., Lori
itself wore apt, and thus perhaps 'Ms p
I to be argued. Sir John Mar' opin
against H,oehefurt, and railed.-- the t
ainsianced like Rochefort, there. with
1
txpeditlon to Antwerp, aid .ailed all 1
start
iii,tmerit:loyittt.4l4
isno.abig,:lhif&.
.riliCred iidittliil.l.
twig,
aim
t ' cum
Bor 10 000 men. He did re .
r the lest ' expl
tiny ; he did not capon. t
,edition egsinst '.l..Adiefort,dideet L
rid to" inositssle destraCtioa.', . thes
and
at the commentaries of the 1400•' * .
pest
rldence, be stated that that! set
,
Was the most material *d:+ Mel
...