The Statesman.
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manofacterars of Birmingham with levity—to rebut
which, he cited various instances which hid occurred
in the comp of Only- ye.lrs of his Algot! life, in
which he bad intsrianly.listetted with the greatest at-
tention to the inenpraints of all desks Majes-
tyli xubjects--from which he inferred the impossi-
bility of his having treated the distresses of the manu-
cowers of Birmingham in a flippant or contemptu-
ous manner. lye declared to God, that, neat to the
colealission of some crime, there teas no charge which
could be mere revolting to his feelings. Upon the
subject of the Orders in Council, however, he was
extremely anxious the country should not be misled ;
and as the best course of setting the question fairly
before the public, he should give no opposition tb the
'notion of the Noble Lord.
Sir CHARLES MORDAUNT and Mr. DUG-
p;tLE said a few words.
Mr. BARING was glad, that, after the ineredu.:
lity of the Gentlemen opposite as to the distressed
state of the country, and their disregard of predic-
tious on that point, they were at length brought so
far as to confess that a great deal of distress did ex. I
ist, and that the 'voice of the country was against
tbe:n : he was happy that they had conceded so
fur as to permit the matter to be enquired into.
He did not believe there could have been any foun-
dation for the accusation against the Right Honour-
able Gentkman, of treatitonr the distresses of the ma-
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and his friendi thought that the Ordeii- in Countil
were not to be abandoued, it WAS ender inch circum.
stances rather extraordinary, that they Could vote
to scud those measures, as it Were, to their trial, by
voting to refcr thew to the consideration of a Porn-
mittee. It was; he thought, practising. a gross de.
losion upon the publieto hOld out to them a shew of
relief if untie whatever ices siltimately intended. Ne
could not divine the motives which had at length, af-
ter such a Minifeito as they Kid lately issued, rw-
ThrtED the 'Ministers (to use n 6 more invidious
tetni), indueed"the MiniSters t 6 agree to the Coln-
, mitten. lie then tookan opportdnity of expressing
•tt wish that the Committee might be. gone iuto to-
morrow, and continue to sit from day to day, defer.
ring all other less urgOnt business, until the present
was di•posed of.
Mr. ROSE esPliinel.
• Mr: STEPNEN declared, that if it had nai.been
for the declaration made .111 his Majesty's MiniSterS,
of their acquiescence in the motion of the Noble
Lord, he, for one, if he stood alone, should hive
given his vote against it. The lido. and Learned
Gentleman, in a speech of considerable length, then
entered into a justification of the Orders in Council,
and the beneficial effects resulting from 'them; and in
every way in which he considered the 'motion, he
could not see any beneficial effects resulting from
such an enquiryj and was inclined to think that the

neeteturem with levity. Indeed, the wends attri inconvenience of refusing it was not greater 'than the
bitted to him were rather a very expressive indica- concession itself.
tion of the light ie which Ministers viewed this Lord STANLEY, before the question was de-
%obi ee Bat it was Do great wonder if the depute. ; tided, wished to know whether, if it should appear
tion from the inaiofeetetrees went away not very At? the House that the Orders in Council were the
well pleased, when thii only consolation they tie-. cause of tee present distiesses of the Coutitri,lira-
veva was tobe told, that the manufacturers of France Majesty's Government was prepared to rescind them,
wereav muchdistressed as themselves. He denied that or to persevereein the declaration made by the Right
tie right of blockade was at all in issue between us and lion. Gentleman (Mr. Rose).
America,as far as concerned the restoration of the ie ter- ; The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re.
course • and he read some passages from the correspon- plied, that be could not pledge himself to.any spelt
deuce between' Mr. Foster anti Mr. Monroe to prove agreement. He conceived.the Rouse meant to inguire
tiers. Indeed, by the existing law, the President, into the causes of-the present distress, and being fully
hatever might be his opinion as to the right of , persuaded that it would be found a mere temporary
blockade, meat, by Proclamation, repeal the Non- pressure upon trade, resulting from other causes, and
Importation Mt, the moment lieliad authentic infer by no means attributable to the Orders in Council,
,nation .of the repeal of our Orders in Council. As !he could not with any propriety make such promise
to the question, whether the French Decrees had as the Noble Lord alluded to.
been repealed, he admitted that there were circum-1 Mr. TIERNEY said, he would venture to answer'
stances which warranted a doubt whether France ; the question of his Noble Friend. If the result of,
acted up to her declaration. But America had rea- the examination should be such as to impress a con.
sou to betieve that they were repealed, and that in. viction that the Orders in Council should not be per.
forma ion the could not have received in a more au- ; sisted in, he had no doubt the Right Hon. Gentle.
tient c form than from the French Minister. The 'man would give way.
lion. Gentleman then contended, that whether Ham- Mr.AVIIITBREAI), before the question was pity
burgh or France admitted or not our goods, that was i begged to ask of the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) a
nothing to America. Besides, we had- uo reason to question relative to certain official documents from
judge that America was actuated by any hostile mind I America, published this afternoon. He alluded to
tovvards us from her public declarations. America! message from Mr. President Medison, which was
took it for granted that the Berlin and Milan De- I accompanied by various letters from the Earl of Lie',
ciees were repealed, and we were unable to produce ' verpool, Sir J. Craig, and a Mr. Henry, the latter of
one in tance in which a condemnation took place in I whom it appeared had been employed to promote-
France against her under these Decrees. Mr. Mon- dissension in Massachusetts, and if possible to pro.
roe, in his letter, insisted particularly on this fact'— ; duce a separation of the eastern States from the
and what reason, therefore, could America have to' Union.--Ile wished to know Whether this corres-
complain against France ? But the great question now penitence was or was not authentic ?
before the House was,. whether, supposing France Lord CASTLEREAGH expressed his satisfaction
bad put a stop to out trade, the Orders in Council at having an opportunity of explaining what had been
were a remedy against her measures. He thought
,very unfairly brought forward by the American Go-
they
were no --remedy ;mine that, on the conteigyeeHnennnetrit. lie begged must di:Madly and jewenapto...,
they tended to assist those measures. If we had, oily, on behalf of. the British Ministry, trissert,
indeed, any prosperity to hazard, then such au ex- that it never entered into their contemplation to en. !
periment as the Orden in Council might have been courage any disposition to produce the separation of
permitted; but had we such prosperity ? The Teti. any part of the States from the Union, nor had they ,
lions on the table_were an answer with a vengeance ever acted upon a system of policy of that descrip-
te that tittestioth It was said, that the repeal of the tiou. It.was certainly consistent with the fact, teat
Orders in Council would injure our West India Captain Henry bad been employed. by Sir James
trade;—that was a fallacy, for in fact at this in- 1 Craig, but without the privity of Goverment, who
slant the colonial produce that went to France was never beard of it until the Governor of Calm& la-
w stir own colonial produce, but that of the Dutch formed them of his recall, in consequence of the
and French colonies, which came in here, and which, fears of menaced hostility being removed. The oh-
by the license system, we were permitted to get rid jest of Sir James Craig was merely to ascertain the
et% On the whole, he protested against the mono- temper of the inhabitants of the eastern districts,'
rinsing and narrow commercial policy adopted by with a view to the attack which he had reason to be
hi, Majesty's Ministers. Here was meditated upon the province, at the head of
feed citsTLEarAGll went over the grounds which he had been placed.
stated by Mr. Rose, In support of the question for Mr. minim EA D read a paragraph from I let-
going into a Committee, contending, at the same ter from Sir J. Craig, dated 26t11 February, 1809,
time, that in voting so far, he did not, in the least relating to the probability of a separation being pro-
degree qualify his decided opinion in favour of the duced, and enquired whether it was transmitted by
Orders in Coundl as a system of just and effectual the Governor of Canada, and what steps Ministers
retaliation upon the enemy. He thought too that had taken upon its receipt?
the col ntry ought not to abandon such a sestem on Lord CAS I'LEREAGH repeated that Ministers
arcount merely of any temporary pressures, which, were not acquainted of the mission having been un-
howrrer, had not been, in his judgment, at all as dertuken until it had been terminated. It was a.,
heavy as might, under all circumstances, have been strong proof that Sir J. Craig had only employed
reasonably expected. It was to be recollected too, Mr. Henry for the purpose of ascertaining the pro-
that the Berlin and Milan Decrees were still in full bability of the Eastern States, assisting in an attack
force, and that the principle of the blockade este- upon Canada, that when appearances of a hostile na-
blished by Mr. Fox, in 1806, had been acknowledged ture had vanished he was recalled.
by Mr. Monroe to be founded iu justice. it was Mr. WHITBREAD expressed an inclination to
nee hnwevet, a mere commercial question—it was a move that the Papers should be laid before the
celestine of great national right, and as such it ought Ilatse ; but it being suggested plat a notice would
to he looked at, and mot as a mere calculation oism- he convenient, he axed it for to-morrow, observing,'
ports amid exportsi Even, however, in a commercial that he should withdraw it if other business of more
point of view, the question was far from exhibiting a immediate importance Were in contemplation for that
diQcou raging reriotl. Thew hole am u u factures afFrance day.
aid not produce an income exceediug 54 ! After a few words from Mr. TIERNEY the ques-
uhile the gross exports of Great Britain for the last ‘, tion eves put, and it was ordered that the Committee
YP"r "wonted to 62 millions—for the year beim to on the Orders in Council should sit to-morrow, and
ee, and for the one preceding that to 49 rranotts• lbe continued de die in diem.
1k could not help thiuking that the decline of the I wanes", from Birmingham, Sheffield, Manclier.
resent year was, 110171 C mammon be traced to ter, &c. were summoned to attend on the motion of
else • unilateral prosperity of the two prenettag years) r Mr. Brougham.
'when tee opening of South America gave rise to a' Mr. PONSONBY, referring to the correspond
general spirit of speculation, that served eventually dense which Mr. Whitbread .had adverted to, en-
v) glut our markets. The exports of 1808 amounted qulied whether Ministers had received from Sir J.
1.0 49 millions, of 1809 to 16 millions, of 1810 to Craig a Copy of a Letter purporting to be signed by
2 millions, arid of 1411 to 43 millions. Still, • Mr. Itylend, and (leveeing Capt. Henry to employ a
however, it appeared from the returns epee the cypher, with which lie would be provided, in his
table, that notwithstanding alt the efforts of France,: correspondence.
that we contrived to convey to the Continent 26 mil- I heed CAST LEREAG II answered, that upon ex-
liens annually of our exports ; and even its the last aminiug the liiclosures in the dispatches of Sir Ja ees
sear, when the pressure was severest, we sent to Craig, he did not find the letter alluded to.
the Continent 18 millions sterling of our exports.-1 The other Orders of the Day having been disposed
He should not object to the enquiry, but he hoped ! of,the House adjourned at 11 o'clock.
that it would be gone into with temper on both
sides.
Mr. BROUGHAM said that nothing that had The Merchants and Dealers in Tea, intoresteA in
fallen from the Noble Lord should tempt him for a preserving the Trade to and from China in its present
moment to deviate from his resolution of saying „e_ t Channel, are informed, that a Petition to Parliament,
timing upon the question till they had come out from has been prepared, and as I Ma& for Signatures at
the enquiry, which could alone, in his mind, tender I G Attnawtelt Cottee-htnkaa April 301.1raud fellow*
them competent to speak upon it. As_to the meaning day.
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large unimpeached, bat hi! actually beeit promoted
in our service? Does not this condutt shell, on the
part of Bfir Government. that they highly approve of
etery step which that General took to overturn the
'Constitution ofthiAmerican States? It it impossible
Ito doubt it ; and, ftterefore,whataver *edema protesta-
tions Minititers May now make to the itittery, they
roust be held as implieated in this abominable affair
—as those individuals only who are responsible to
the nation Which they have so grossly insulted, and
On whole beads ought to fall that just retribution for
the crime which they have eoinmittett: But if such
r.are the conclutions we are.entitled to draw from this
relatire state of the parties, what are the Inhabitants • •
of Great Britain to think; ttay, What is the Cunt;:
nenti the whole Universe, to say, if we shall 'be-
Able to prove, by ihe most Undeniable evidence, that .
Ministers not only knew of the employment of
Captain HENRY &fore he was engaged in the ins;
tultous mission, but that Lord Li veneoos.
ternards actually And unreservedly approved of it? •
'That we are able to do this, we feel little difficulty,
even with the fen' documents which are now herons
the public. It appears that Captain Iferrsii was em-
plo)ed by Sir JAmEs CaAto, in 1,03, to atoevtaits
the state of parties and their politicartiews, in the
United States. The correilpendeuce which passed at
this time between Jalets and the Captain; was
transmitted by the former to the British Ministry.
This is proved by the following ettrnct of a letter,
related 28th June last, *rides 'iiy Mr. PEcx, Lord
Litcnroot's Seeratateri.-toilwirsir bilasetforhe -was
Bleu in London :—" His Lordship has directed rae
to acquaint you, that he has referred to the corre:
spondence in this office of the year 1803, And finds
two letters from Sir JAMES Castro, dated' 10:6 •
April and sth May, transmitting the.correspondence•
that has passed during your residence in the Nor-
thern States of America, and expressing his confidence
in your ability and judgment." Here then is direct ' •
proof, that the attempts; made in 1808, by Captain
iikNRY, at the instigation of the Governor-General
Of Canada, to excite commotions in the United
States, were well known to Ministers at that periol .
Circumstances having 'rendered it probable, in the
year 1809, that something ferthermight lle done to
promote this'pery honourable cause, Sir J. CRAIG ap-
pears to have had some further conimunication with
the present Ministers on the subject, and again to have
recommended Captain HENRY as a fit person to
care - their views into elect. The result of this
wasp that Sir Imes directed his Secretary to write
Captain HENRY, on the 26th January, 1809, as
follows. " The information, and political obser-
vations heretofore received from von, were trate!.
mitted by his Excellency to the Secretary of State,
who has c.cpressed his particular approbation if them,
and there is no doubt that your able execution of
such a mission, as I have above suggested, would.
give you a claim not.only on the Governor-General,
but on his Majesty's Ministers, which might ev61:14.
ally contribute to your advantage." Who can
doubt, after reading this, that all his Majesty's
Ministers, and particularly Lord LivErteoot, then
Secretary of State,_ were fully acquainted with the
wmitision ocCaptswin--Rinnav, *out that they actually
instructed Sir JAMES CRAIG to hold out to him a re-
ward for his services? that the matter does not rest
here. After Captain lit:say arrived in Laudon,
assd submitted his claims for remuneration to Lord
l'is Lordship, in the above letter which
he directed his Secretary, Mr. PEEL, to write, ex-
pressly recognises the services of the Captain.—
He speaks of the " ability and success" with
which lid execeted the mission, and stales, that
he is cony inced the public service will be benefited"
by your active employment in a public situation.--
lu letter, in thc hand-writing of Lord Id-
vEn row., Lidies..:;ml to Sir GEORGE now
Governor-CA' neural of Canada, on the 16th of Sep-
tember last, says—" I now fulfil the assurance
which I have. &Vert of stating to you my opinion of
the ability and judgment which Mr. Hever has
manifested ou 1164 occasions mentioned in his Memo-
rial, and of the benefit the public service might de-
rive from his active employment in any public !doe-
tion'isi a Itich you should think proper to place him."
Here Lord Lis ERPOOL'S entire ansrobtstion of all that
, Capt. HENRY bad douse, is fixed beyond the possil
bility of a doubt. Nay more, so highly did cis
Lordship estimate his services, that he recommended
him to any public situation Sir GEORGE Penton
should think proper to place him in !—Yet does this
same Noble Loud now come forward and solemnly
protest, that his own hands, and those of his col-
leagues, as to this affair, are entirely free from po-
lution ! !—This may go down with those admirers of
his Lordship's Administration who reap the fruits
of the perfidious measures they are pursuing ; but
ce.rtain arc we of this, that no honest man will..
giv(N him credit either for hi.: assertions or his sr.
team protestations, when evidetliv of so glaring a
description is staring him in the fade.