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the remedy, he apprehended, was in the ,
Legislature, for he was persuaded that t,
relief, or at least relief to a considerabl
would be afforded by stopping the disti'
grain. This would be useful too, with
amelioration of the morals of the peoph
This ought not to be considered as a
subject ; the real interests of the peopl
consulted by putting an end to the imt,
of spirituous liquors. His Lordship wished
distinctly understood, however, that he did
to condemn thefreedatercourse in grain '•
establishq tl betweea,,fralartd 'and Great,
measure which he was nod? to'admit
the greatest advantage edanhies. , toni,
eluded by moving Resolutions recognizing the exist-
ence of a scarcity in certain. districts hi Ireland,
and recommending the stoppage of distillation from
grain.
The Earl of CLANCARTY gave credit to the
Noble Earl's motivee, bat regreted that the .subjett
been at aU bought forward.. He was willing to
admit, that in a grave case, where there was it teat,
scarcity and a possibility of applying a r-xnetly, it
might he proper .to agitate the question in Perlis-
Input • 'out here the Noble Earl had allowed that the
scarcity was not general ; and such was the fact. i"
some places.t:te ',Noes ,of the principal, articles. of
food, potatoes, oats,. and wheat, were high, pro-
bauly from the alarm- which prevented their • being
readily brought to market ; bin is other riaces the
prices 'lens low. A comparison .41 ?the • prices of,i
tliese 414.4;14 from the feat riettirni a&' Bantry amt.
Cork; asiould prove thles!..linsnealityo. ilia 'mantle.*
free interebtwite adopted Whew. 'the 'Noble Martin's
oppaskto (Lanstlowne)' of:..thst
Eltebeqbet, was iu a great Mestere the' oauseOf the.
high prices. Before that measore,•The, supply or,
grain' frem Ireland to this country was only about
I,loth of the whole importation : since the adoption,
of that measure, the supply from Ireland, in the ar-
ticle of. wheat, was one-third of the general import-
ation ; mid taking all aorta of grain together, one
half. Re Watt far, however, from condemning the
measure.., It had been of the greatest -advantage to
both conntriett, and had increased the agrjcultural in-
dustry of Ireland ten-fold. It was well worth while,
therefbre, to submit to this temporary inconvenience.
As tw the proposal to stop the distillation from grain,
It wets perfectly nugatory at this season of the year,;
for the-distillers had already, in, all probability, pop.,
ctateds and redueert,to the state of malt, almost all
the grain which they would require for the year. ge
therefore moved, aa an Amendment, that the ,Ilease
do now adjourn.. ~ , •
The Marquis of LA.NSDOWNE deClared his con'•
currence in the opinforui delivered, as to the great
advantages which would flow 'to both parts of the
empire from the measure of free intercourse, the
ilo-
nour of originating which belonged to Sir John New-
port. .
• Lord •BIIOUNTIOY. opposed the motion.
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Lord HOLLAND, while he approved the mea- cellor of the Exchequer, who had agreed to put off
sure of free inteicourse, could not help ohserving the seemed reading of the Bank-note Bill to Thurs..
with. regard to the proposition of his Noble Friend .da the paper. was ordered.
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(Lord Darnley), that he could not see why this part . •`
tial scarcity should not be met by a stoppage of dh-
ANOTHER BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.
dilation from grain in Ireland us well as in England. Mr. EDEN said, that he had to complain of ano-
After a few words from Lord DARNLEY, the ther breach of privilege Another witness was ar-
motion was putand negatived. rested this day, on his way to a Committee of the
• 2ithe.m2,.....„----,... House. He therefore moved, that Mr. Alexander
' HOUSE • OF: COMMONS. ' Grace and Mr. John Palmer, the Attorney and the
A person fwa the Trasisedrt Board pftosikelvan Account of . Sheriff's Officer, do attend the House to-morrow.—
the sums raid for tt... hire of. TrearportS, how -31 to March 20, +
1817. laid on the: table. + Agreed to. '...
The RepoP f the Weald of Kent Canal Bill was taken into 1 SINECURE OFFICES.
farther cons:theration. . Mr. BANKFS arose to move for leave to bring in
E. Sir KNATCII au IL contended, at some length, th.lt one
of the Standln °Mei. 'the !louse had cot heen complier) with t a Bill, the object of which would be the gradual abo-
ia the pruccedthis of this Itill,.and moved it: Hection. I.lition and regulation of Sinecure Offices, by provid-
Mr. CALCRAFT. replied 8 after which the` ration was nem I ! • • .
tired. and the Bill ocdercd-to be read a third rim.- to-morrow, . .t..tog a fund, arising out of that abolition, for the par-
A atesiiice nine tlietortli acquainted the House, that their i pose of rewarding long and meritorious services in
Lordships had agreed to the Loan Bill, and tbe IridrSugar orairl•i the way of superannuations. He was aware that
-back Boil., •
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PRIVILEOF4OF THE 4IO.USE. . ,g., "T.Stlnoeures could not be immediately abolished, be-
Mr. EDEN' vocii;edr,.... Order of the day for Ilte, •
use there were many vested interests in theta which
attendance of Ates.sicegiiptiell and Bindson..
called
at House ought .t 4 hold secret-li. but his aim was
were hothin attsmiV it e,, and Mr. C. was first called. , o obtain a gradul abolition .of,,t.hem es they fell ra-
in,[fl
the substa.nce • 'whose answers to the Interro-: . cant. Nor was the actual and present economy of
ga'ories of the fl. er was to the following effct:-- I the measure to be considered, it was rather the prin.
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!Ai name wail •nitiCansPbeli, sitid- `he resided at . tipie which tie .34;9414 Esisibibietid to the attention of
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No. I, W. afeot-Place, Lambeth. 'lle received ; weals, 'which Would ulifeititiiiiive the coun-
order to attend a Committee of the Rouse yesterdayiltry, a considerable expence, of t4lire several vested
but was prevented from obeying the order, in cense- i interests became extinct. Economy, he thought,
quenee of being arrested by a Sheriff's Officer. The . could' not be too much practised, for he feared the'
arrest took pluce.as tepees: he had gone out in the time was fast approaching when it would become a ne-
morning with the summons of th House in his cessity to lOok into it deeper than had yet been done.
pocket, and aware that he was to attend the Com- The economy he meant, was, that the Executive
'Witter. at one o'clock. Recollecting that he was to Government, in calculating the estimates for the cur-
take some ropers with him, he hurried' home about rent year, should accurately consider how much could
It for the purpose of getting Them, and found the be spared ; that would be a rational and effective
Sheriff's ()Meer in his house, who immediately took economy ; while the sort of economy which he waa
hire into custody. He tot:l.th* Officer he was 01) his proposing, laudable as he hoped it Was-in principle,.
Committee,way to the and spewed hilt the order: was but as a drop in the vast ocean of expence. More
fee hit attendance ; 'but it was to no purpose, and indeed had been done, during the last 40 years, to..
•the Officer declared he 'Mull enfOrce.hh—siarrant. He wards the atioViee Sinecure .01fices„,. than. had
wits elt.elettstbo, at ft litiffrft" past` 'l./.jii"dock; 'and , been effected during the whole previous period, from
chewed the Officer the Order of the Coriwiiiitee before the time of the Revolution. When be looked * the
-be 166 k On from his own house.' ' L -ing establishments of the lib
•• • /Midst's; the officer, was thee called in, and ex.!. ' ought ;'
.amined to the •folloviitg effedt :4;--He had yesterday'
'arrested Campbell furdebt, at /U., 1, Walcet-place.
.atiost .11 erloth, and was slimed 'Ay *that' person
written paper,'ortlefing brim to' 'Aged a Committee
:ef the Hooloof Commons.- life 04111tCaiiirbelli
•he would not part witivides tegatadvice:
'and having him still -illeiltestody, 'be went •to
Dane, the attorneyiii thelieflee, and shewtel
the order of aftendance4 1 Dane said; he .
not conceive it-a legal protection. 7- Re then took-his
prisonor,to Mr. James, the-wider Sheriff of Surrey,
who, said he had never keened of such en occurrence
happening before. „Reashiblepplied-to Mr. Berchall,
the Cnder *Sheriff fielr-Middkisex, whWsaid that the
house of Cotnmoei!tratinot-in thelmunty oUSermy,
- but in htividleishriateit‘ittised him to keep bla priz
soner till farther orders. IA twegb.l Be, there.'
fore, refosedfoditehergerMi. Ousphell. There,
two pereenslif•that name against eflioni he had A
•rants, Rabe*: 'laid William, and:the order of
. House was onljrNddressecl to ble.• Campbell.
amount of the debt was 69041, audopwerds;
was afraid it might be the.vnin of Mm and his family,
if he let Campbell go. [Hear,- hear ij He knew
vothleg' shout the Rouse oirCeimeas, aalihnd>t/ err
haeeu nearer it than the Come of Iting's *Bench. •
had genelethe ottoman to whisk informition.
• Us 'rituals having withdraws;

and that it was the act of Rill
,Cittneil, and ,
of the•Ministets.
Mr. STEPHEN said tliarbeing thus appealedto,
he was ready to declare, that itit was said the ques-
tion had been disposed of as a foreniic discussion be-
fore the Privy Council, he mush say no. Theqpes-
ties' was brought' before them under the frize Act ;
wiren it was discUssed, it was found, that if the
•i alitmewt-of Captain King was allow& to stand,
U. Popham must have been a mere passenger;
lO therefore they had determined, that hiving been
an illegal. appointment, he could only receive as a
Lieutenant.
Mr. WRITBRE.A.D thought, that if any person
Was obliged .to oetfer front this• appointment which
had been deterteined by the Nil Council to be
ought to-be-the -pelmets whaled ao illegally
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petted to share as a Captain, hat he *es only e Lie -
tenant—if he bad beaks. Captain, gir 11. .P ? ... °imam
hardship,iv
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iat houseredressedtdeCa thoughttmiolctivnti King
in:
tfeo thr; itde4
papers,t tt.PD'e'u! 'titnagi e ilidtr
would have onl been a passenger. It was certainly
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Aattloic I:Treasury,
riirecolfiey
to say, whe.
,oii. Jthe.
.not bry.
pporaNyisnog
sfOr3rvemwaanselra9ttiopnr;pored
CaPtain ther the present came within the rule of the lieu
he thought, generally, that it was apetition di:
..ut in the
~e, under Sir,l rectly asking for a grant pf. public money, ancient
but • se •
one which might ultireatele; ten dt o that effect tl
4 fill e.tdhp,i)Biauderiis
) required the consent ana.•reeeminendation of ilinlis:,
et
nt-Colonel of Marines
tens. Hi conceived that the meaning of the rule ire'
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tion of. the booty made
to make Ministers responsible for what grants de,
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. meat. He should take the liberty, however, °C m!:
`no Claims first, as I recommended, And not restrict thepower of Perlis.
next, as a Lieutenant-
to the Noble Lord, that if instead of resin_
it .. . - recei, :y all the time as Cap- gestin
I now to a division, when such doubts were meet:
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would probably think it right that Mr. Dann, the , taan v. —...., i, and . sad been publicly called
,mined, he would withdraw the present motion, and
attorney; should be' ordered to 'attend to-morrow, ;'Llentenant.Colonel King. 'lt so happened, how. 1
that the privileges of the Housemight be vindiested.-1 elters'adstitottrinly contrary to every principle s hich ! more only for the memorials of Captain King to the
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He therefore made a motion to that effect. I oughtteprevillin such cases, but contrary to the es-
Admiralty or Privy Council, he might perhaps., ' by
Mr. STEPHEN certainly had no .wish to dispute i tebilisbed pretties, be was muted in the warrants for such a motion, ultimately obtain his object.
the privileges of the house ; bat really toniidering 'the distribution of .the priie.nioney taken at Hue- i 1 Sir C. POLE thought that there was a peculiar
the magnitude of the sum in question, for which Mr. ! nos Ayres, ,net as Captain of the Diadem, or l hardship in this case. If he had been appointed
Dann might feel himself responsible, and the doubt .as LieutenanteColonel, but merely Lieutenant King ; through an error of the Commander, still he did the
that might matte hi his mind, whether 'there was any though be had been appointed, to the office of duty, and he thought he ought to there for the rank
breach of privilege; when the; person was token in Captain,- bore•all the resPonsibilitY of Cal)4irl, and !in which he acted. If he had been a simple passe„.
his O%V it house
to the Com. ' discharged all the duties of Captain. This was done i ger, andappointed to command the Mariues on shwa,
inittee,—considering and not in his progress
ering all this, he saw no occasion for notwphataraing he *F. been promoted
.six months ' he thought that he must have shared.
the attendance of Mr.
,Datin. . before, by the' lordi or74ie Adrairalli,to tiie situ- ' Mr, (RKE agreed that there was here a hard.
The CHAN,CBI.4I.A.Ht of the EXCHEWER ; 'aloe- of Captain, and was entitled to, prize-looney f ship, .sad that the Petitioner had batin dinappoisteet
isspoke to a similar effect, and thought thera was no ; accordingly.' Wing alatber 4*pi,ipfimity, andl.not, however, of any thing to which he was justly
appearance of Mr; Dana's being in n a snits :or Con- !the dilleteacet of importance to tileli .he toot all the entitled, •but of E. hope which he had entertained.
tempt. . . .
- ..so ' `steps in his power to have this iejiiatice remediedj The Petitien *as clearly one for pecuniary relief,
[ .Mr. TIERNEY really wished.; that die Attorney i having, succeeeieely applied.tia fhe:Prirar:Gliatkell area }which could not be entertained without the consent
' should come down, if it were efily to give some ex- I Treasury, without success. -Asa list step, he now of the . crow!„ If the Petition should be with-
' . tanation of what he meant by saying, that the order 'brought a Petition before tilts 'Hone. , If. the Peti- drawn, the question would then be,
Of the House was no legal protection; and that het on should be entertained, he would after#sids , House interfere to the effect of remedyingwould the
the en.
read others might learn what the privileges of the move the appOitakinent of kiCeratilittee to ellqiiir' into Icumstatices •
•r hardship which the case presented,
House were., the circumstance of the case, and to determine what ' where there was no charge against any one.
Mr.' PONSONBY spoke to a similar effort. toliPf.otibt to be affordelV., In the.elean time it was I Lord COCHRANE contended thatthe Petitioner
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL was also of opi- , his wish,. rather that thti Petition should it.' some t was entitled to be plaCed on that rank is which he had
Won, that if Mr. Dalin expressed 'any doubts of the I time on the table, that*trMajesty's Minister' might ! served. If rewards were supposed to act as stimu.
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r legal authority of the a6u se , he ellofildbatalled.he- ; review thecese, and riiiolt4elut .some relief to the tants to exertion, then were the Privy Council, in
• fore ii 0 tOrain his eonduct. ' • .•' '.. . I Petitioner without the 'necessity of any interference withholding 'ROM Captain Ki!:g the fair reward of
Mr. WYNNE.Was determined in all cases to stand on the part of the 'House. -.;,
_• • ; ..is serried, guilty of great and gross error. He had
by the privileges House.. *: ' - i The SPPAIEPA "obset`ved, that it deperCed on 'no hesitation in saying, that he participated in
,that
The SPEAKER. Neil pat Itlefilueition, that Mr.• - .
t how Mr this was an application for money, before desire, so .a to*Mankindin general, to share in
Dana-and Mr. Hindson do ett;nd at thoßar of the. the Sense could' determine as to its being received.' the rewrirds of his lahottia i and he would even con.
,House to-morrow, which wail 'in unanimously. I , Lord VOLK.ESTON I. said, Captain King Aid not fess,*that'thh *vo\ Ritoufes of' that kind Mita
),,,Mr. 'WHARTON rectibed'h siitenieet of his the 1 petition for remeneratioe and other thirki, that WAS be one of the reasons, Ay, for the last 15 months,
other night, with respect to. the •Beeird of Agaiettle. eity VA' tordshijett ''cluiment,. though' he 1144. 8.0) he had been so little out of that House. He did not
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tare. The sum expended ihs. lilt 41001.- '• . '*. doubt but Captaini King hoped to receive reenuabte;ltilsbto becolne a robber of the country, but he saw
BANK myrEs. ..
person. so. acting,... g . es h ' h ti• '
Bon hereafter: Sir H. Popltam was the person WO tno reason why those who fought our bartleS. should
..• iiiiii if any one was, i
I had:isitieden illegal command, not beallowed to plondereur enemies, without being
Mr. PONSONBY moved, that there be laid be-
'in consequence Of. that, to suffer, it should be the : deprived of the spoil by others who bore no part%
fore the Houle an Account a the number of Bank
Me. ally. It had been determined - the toils and dangers.
notes, specifyiug the value of each, Which were re-.
the Privy Canincil that Sir H,,m.e op am a im- MnMr. P. MOORE contended that this was not a
fined payment at the Bank on account of forgery, ' by'
I properly and illegall.) hoisted this broad pendantl Petition for pecuniary aid, but a Petition con.o!ain.
since the restriction law in 1797. . i
After a few words from Mr. Baring-and the Chan- ? if he kid . • that Sir Home Popham had received sonteinin
but what wee Lieutt 'art- King to .410 .ing . - ;
lake - cemr iiidAir the :Diadem*, to: which belt -,, el , the Petitioner- '

objected :to , .:e. • ---1 -••• —.lollgs to d'•
which filo meek respoesibWty was attached, nod for • Admiral-HALVE! thought it was impossible to
the acceptance of wnich he expected unquestionably loOk at the Petitiotei:end not see "that- it was one
everycitt yettinifiketiOn, he• Would, by such bhjec- which gsked,for't of money. With respect to
tion, „Iwo leu6ied himself Beide to he tried by a the Noble Lord
.(Cochrane), he trusted he would
Cnert-matilite: ter' mutiny. ' Ott• these groundt, and loon'liellket on the sentitneuts he had Safely uttered,
takingrinto.consideration the grievous hardships the uzd would not Irons any paltry conskkeation allow
petitioner had. undergone, he hoped the House would the country to be deprived-of his services. •
enterhiiti.the Petitioe. ' Mr. CROKER mid, the proportion of prize-no-
The SPEAKER said, that on tbese grounds., the neyfonnerly paid to the officers and petty-otticen,
Noble Lord having ehewn, that what he had stated, was .eix-eighthsf and to the common sailors two-
, respecting. remuneration was only his own comment,. eighths.; this,was thotight rather too great a dispro.
he nOW thought himself at liberty to put the question. portion,--the rate to the common seamen, according-
ME.. HOSE said, this was not ,an Act of his sa. ,Iy, had been raised to three-eighths, whtle the other
jestre Ministers : it had teen argued more .than;- five-eighths were reserved• for the officers and petty
once Deere the Privy Council, and had been roan& officers. -This, he presumed, was the regulation which
to contain great difficulties; but after .the most serl- : had given such diarist to the Noble Lord.
ous deliberation, it was determined by . them, that Lord COCHRANE • contended,• that the propor-
itid,seiiik,the circumstances of the rase, the pea- Out to the petty officers had been decreased, rather
tiones4ollld not shartemore than as a Lieutenant of
.thin increased, end defied the Hon. Gentleman to
tke Diatset;. and • the 'result was, th at ,iestrec ion prove the contrary.
:were givee; accordingly. . The prize had al- Colonel BASTARD said, here it appeared the Pe-
ready, lien divided, and therefore ~he petitinue; titioner had all the risky..-erhy, therefore, should Is
couldhave no redress in any other way as rem ueetia- not hove-the recompence ?
Con. He believed the Ifisuralse, "Mgt learned LordFOLKESTONE, agreeably to the sego-
Ckutlmaen- behind him hilow,th4 atitte„of the case, tions that had bees made to hint, asked leave to with.
altiattliy
,Cittnell, and not

(4.11 V. his trio ion. ' • •
• Die CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
w::s sorry that thelioble Lord should be misled, by,
:ing that he would agree to the prodnction of
an ,uments on the subject, without the regular
notice.
Lord FOLKESTONE erpressed his surprise at
this conduct on the part of the Right Honourable
Gentleman ; but still he begged leave to withdrau his
his *Akin.
The motion was accordingly withdrawn.
Lord FOLKESTONE then 'stored, that therm he
laid before the House a 'Copy of the Memorial or
other Paper presented by Captain King to_his Majes-
ty, &Ph& Privy Council, on the subject of the Cape
of Good Hope; and of the answer therto by the IM'
Officer of the Crown.
''E was sorry the Noble Lord had take"
•uf proceeding, he being "unable at this
- whether he papers in question could
produced..
AI.:AD suggested to his Noble Friend
.'moving, that the debate on this sub.
,r-ied till after the recess.
-,ESTONE complied, and the debate
till the Bth April nett.
;APTAIN TOMLINSON.
;RN stated, that as this Officer's case
ly before the House it was untiecet.
apologise for bringing it before the Howe :tt
ite Honourable Gentleman then entetcl
detail of all the circumstances strongly;
of Ceptalst-Tondinson: From tilos•
ly before the peblic, it appeared Olt
use this Officer had net been brought
had passed since the commiscien of
and. lie considered alt the preceetlingl
harsh, unjustifiable, and ,oppressive. It
t the House; therefore, to enter into
which he should propose, for the per-
vindicating the character of a man, oho !le,
persnaalty and professionally, to be of
respectability. lie cooriatied, therefo.',
,nig;tha there be told before the Howe Copies
Letters br Informations, addressed to the No!'
,-whicis.-the Prosecution of Copt:4,lTel-
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power of the Mr. EDEN moved, that the privilege of the House andlespactib le Cull Offices, and for other ecouomi.
t the requisite. be allowed Mr. Campbell, and that he be discharged. cal purpose*.
)rable extent, Mr. WILSON wished to observe, that Mr. J. watt Learewas accordingly. given, and Mr. 'Luke',
tillation from taken in his, own house, and that it did not- necessa- Mr. Wilberforce, and Mr. Wharton, were instructed
i a view. to the rily appear that he was either going to ors coming to briog.in the'. um. •
)le of Ireland. ffotn the libuse of Cdintuone; buderwhith.CirCllM , 4 rdteli OF CAPTAIN KIWI.
i dry reveille° stances eaotiei he, like a witness before a Goad of t.i IeirdYO4KZSTONE said he was about to sub-
Tie would be „Justice, was entitled to claim privilege. • 1 init,to tee tepsideration. of the House, a case of the
moderate Jut The 'CHANCELLOR of the - 'MCOE:QUER Omit unpor,tance to the Naval Service of this Conn-
wished it to he laid, .it Net atoms question :o4Acte.ots4,4ll. C.!*. Art. 441skitald in his hands a. Petition from Captain
e did notmean going home to get the paperyL.lii ilste.t..wanted, d. Krl4,4l.llo.Navy, who was a Lieutenant in the
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i that had.beee. which there seemed no room to tVau Wes tualcielle El to the Cape of Good Hope, under Sir
et Britaiwprif sivillence " that he was in .pr 'lli House of HomUtopltam. Ile afterwards proceeded tp Buenos
t had beetkorm,„imodg..4.-...-..^ -*ei.”-.- - vettivrw-vrtrl-• ---• —AYters; where he acted as.CaPfain Of thi tiladern'
ries.. He cola .' After a few words 4ont - tiiis:;LACIEHAILT, the t apt! commanded as a Lieutenant-Colonel of Marines
zing the exist- discharge of Campbell was eeden.dA . : ..--. . Ipe, shore. In the. distribution of. the booty made
is hi Ireland, Mr. EDEN had do doubt the House ivouldleg lon that occasion, he had` two claims first, as
istillatiod front that the unfortunate Sheriff's officer had done no- Captain of the Diadem; and next, as a Lieutenant-
. thing but his duty, as far as he knee, it • bat thetl Colonel. Ile had received pay all the time as Cap-
--AI, 4.a.. ...,,,,ia Arahahtv think it right that Mr. Dann, 'the I Min' of the Diadem, and he had been publicly called