The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-04-16 00:00:00

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his Aretrodeiestt, is lbe Ilea: Member
acquiesced. •
Lord GOWER, spoke lb &Teti of the Toiliti of .4
grant to-his Royal Highness. tbe Duke of Comber-
land. and expatiated on the exemplary conduct of
the Heelless during her residence in Ibis country.—
The Noble Lord stetedv that her eapences were stle-
(rayed by the King of Prussia, its consequence of
Parliament having refused to vote her au establish-
ment.

Sir C. M ORDAHNI spoke in favour of the smaller
SUM proposed.
Mr. LAMBTON complained of the dilemma in
which be was placed. He ohservedohat he • was
against, any grant; and that if he voted against the
60001.1 Ire might occasion a majority in favour of
the- 10,613QL;t0 which he was still more averse.
Sir atuwaT HEATIICOTE thought that the
preamat incomes of the junior branches of the Royal
Family were ample enough. He, as an individual,
was, obliged to attend to his domestic concerns, and
Wilk/lush, they ought to do the same.•
Mr. CA I.V observed, that the difficulty arose
from the embarrassed circsunstances of the country.
fli that the utmost economy ought to be ub-

'e thought
rerved ht. tbr intruded grants.

'Mr. BROUGHAM adverted to the difficulty com-
plained of by Mr. Lambton, and recommended him
to vote in the first instance for the smaller sum, which
merely pledged the Committee to s grant not exceed-
ing 6(X)01., after which he might, in a •subsequent
stage, vote for redacisig.tbat sum to an amount mere-
ly nominal.
Mr. TIERN El* understood that the Noble Lord
meant to propose something by way of dower, to
which he bad no objection, and therefore would not
concur in ally vote that might• break, up the Com•
mit tee.
Mr. CANNING commented on the point of or.
der, and stated, that if the House were against voting
any grant at all, they might stop the proceedings wf
the _Committee altogether, ur vote a nominal sum,
which would answer the same purpose. Hut he rose
for the purpose of expressing his approbation of the
larger, sent proposed. Whets be compered the pro.
Iceediegs of this night with the feeling that prevailed
ton the (Teeing of the Session, he was at a loss to
conceive by what process the whole feeling then
:expressed had been so completely evaporated.-.-
(Here strangers were re-admitted.)—lf it was ex-
pedient to provide for the succession to the Throne,
it was an unfair and an imperfect view of the question
then before them, to consider the circumstances of
each specific marriage. With respect to his Royal
Highness the Duke of Clarence, he could assure the
House he Mould not have thought of contracting this
•marriage, it never would have entered into his con-
templation to engage in this alliance, if it had not
been pressed upon him as an act of public duty.—
( Loud wishes were limited to such
means as might enable him
.to support his situation
io the country with becoming dignity. As a contrac-
tor of debt he did not stand before the House:
his Noble Friend had told them that his Royal
Highness bad voluntarily, and by arrangements
of his own, set apart a portion of his income fur
the payment of irstercst, and be believed, also for the
insurance of his life, and the gradual liguidstion of the
.principal. Without this alliance he wanted not the
aid of Parliament, and he contracted this alliance,
riot for his own private gratific.stion—( Loud
laughter.)--but because he bad been advised to do
so for the politic purpose of providing for the suc-
cession to the Throne.—(4 laugh.)—lf there was
any thing ridiculous in this proposition. it was
brought about by their own laws. The laws of the
country prevented the Royal Family from entering
into engagements of marriage at home ; they insisted
that the branches of their Royal Family should look
abroad for wives ; and when they came to du this,
(as in the present case,) not from liking or affec-
tion, for that could not be supposed possible, when
the persons had not even seen each other. He thought
the House could not refuse this grant of 10,0001. to
the person who might,produce the heir to the. Crown,
without exposing him to embarrassment, and bring.
ing exorbitant expence on his establishment. Mini-
sters were convinced that no less a sum would he
sufficient ; for if it did not render the marriage int-
Ipracticable, it would at least endanger its peace,
happiness, and prosperity.—(Loud kughter.)—in
voting the sum, the house would only grant one-half
of what was orginally proposed, and for less than
that Ministers would not be responsible.
Mr. WODEIIOUSE suppoteted the Amendment
of the Member of Sorry (Mr. Sumner.)
Mr. W. SMITH thought that a sufficient sum
might be taken out of the Windsor Establishment.
Sir W. GUISE spoke to the same effect.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that no establish-
meet could be conducted with so mach economy as

the Windsor establishment : there could be no re-
duction, except perhaps in the department of the
great Officers of State. 'That establishment had been
unfairly rated : it was looked upon as if it was solely
applicable to the Royal Family, but it supported
many of the Officers of State connected with tho
Queen's establishment. At the utmost not more than
10,0001. could be reduced of this establishment.
Mr. TIERNEY insisted, that the Windsor establishment was ,
far greater than was necessary for the purposes of use or splen-
dour to the venerable Monarch, or the branch of the Family
resittiost uitb him. There was b 0.60 N. for the Privy Purse,
tint of which no expense was paid except of the medical at-
tendants : he would fah: Lae that, at the utmost, at 5 it. a day.
This would amount to no more than 184501-out of the 50,0001.;
but then, its addition to this sam, there was 10,t4/31. a year
from the Duchy of Lancaster; add to that, the income of the
two lenient Princesses, which was equal to ?6,0001. mere, the
.60,0001. for the Queen's establishment, besides the 100,0001. for
the King's; anti the aggregate sum was no less than :16,0001.—
Now, w hat was dove with all this money ? Was it spent. or
nearly spent I and if not, for what purpose was it accumulated;
and why might it not he applied to .uch uses as outfitting the
different stanches of the Family, on the ecemiuts of their mar-
riages? He thought & redectioa ought to be made of all super-
Outwit es pences.
Lord LAATLEREAGII, in a low tone of voice, replied.
that the medical attendance last year came ti 98,0001.; it was
not fair to reckon in. as he had • done, the income of the
Princesses; stillless was it fair to count the income of the
Often, who, in fact, was emitted to more than t-. 0.0001 , hav-
ing, by legal settlement. a dower of 100 0001. appropriated to
herself. Great part of the Privy Purse was applied to be.
nevelent purposes; besides providing her Majesty with car-
ringeS, senates, and other rea.onable rap aces of her station.
Mr. HOLM E SUM? JCR said, that when be stated sae amount
of 'bedews of the Duke of (Aureate co rumour, he bad allowed
• that it might probably be without foundation. and it now turned
out to he -o. His Noble Friend aod•the Right Hon. Geode-
autnit.,d told them that be.was mistake% The, said slat they
might he I quidated by a payment of 5.0001. a year during his
life. The question was, whether the House should grant the.
Doke of Clarence the interest at that seta, the fee of whims be
bast telcady ceasamed.

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