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prevented front proeeeding agait
that such a case as this had actuall
Bill had been pertnitted to et pile i
and he would say that he loo!:rd
most atrocious engines of tvranny
our time. It was a link of that
the freedom of inquiry, and I teed
knowledge--a chain that was forged
It was a measure which subjected '
interference of Foreign Ministers gil i
to say so, because in other countries where an alien law
existed, the same consequence was produced. He hall
very recently conversed with a gentleinau of this coun-
try, who, while he was in pursuance of a law suit in
another country, was actually transported to England.
'flits facts were communicated .to the British Resident in
that country, bat no redress was obtained. Herr, again,
lie would nut mention names. The gentleman diof not
choose to have his name made public; but could any
man believe if a proceeding had been resorted to before
the Alien Act, that a representation ought not to have
been made against it by the fiiiver iiiii ent of this cons-
try? But since the passing of tow Alien .Ict she mouth
of liovernment was stopped. If such a representation
were made the Foreign Cover ttttt ent might say in an-
swer, " Look at your own Alien .Ict, what right have
i yes to c plain f Yon bring our countrymen noder the
gem danger." Every man, in fact, knew that this law
; was quoted in foreign countries as a justificatioa of
Imany acts of violence. Such was the feeling, pia
Nramst it. Foreigners were aceustomed to say to
Irishmen abroad, " Yon, by your Alien Art, have pl
a stigma on us in England. You boast of your English
i law mad liberty—but so niggard, so jealous are you all
i Imparting thew to others, that when we breathe your,
air you do not permit us to enjoy them." The Noble
'Fieecint said, that this Bill was only reviving an Act
passed two rears ago. But as one ground showing
impoliry of such an Act, which did nut exist when
Art had been formerly passed, lie would ask, did it
place the Ministers en a new difficulty? suppose the,
were asked by the 31inister fur Spain to expel any of her
subjects from this country, could they refuse it? He
looked forward to the events about to arts.• in that caw
' try with as much exultation and hope, as any other me.
But with his knowledge of what had occurred
his life-time, he confessed lit' was not so sanguinisittil
hope that every thing would be done without db.
Mebane, to the postal tranquillity. Suppose,
that the Nobles and the Ulergy of Spain should
hereafter have to encounter such vicissitudes of for-
esee as had fallen se the lot of the Nobles and Clergy
of another great coustry, although wisdom dictated that
we should do every aline to preserve our connections
with Spain, yet if any of her subjects, under such cir-
esetatances, took refige in this country, might sot her
lioverninent say to ours, " Why do ye act in this man-
ner? Send them away, do not receive them." To such
k demand our lioyernment might say in reply, " if we
tad no Alien Act, we are a free country as well as you—
we are governed by law, and we have slot the power to
send them out of this county." But when an Alien Art
wee in existence, though if* refusal were given,it would
be OW legitimate sauna war, yet it would give rise to
soopicions and to complaint-, which would necessarily
lessen the relations subsisiitie• between the two coon
Mee. In a similar difficulty teas the French (Myers
-
met placed by the censorship on the press, which was
established about the same time that the revolution had
taken place in Spain. The Sp•iiiish Minister, seeing
some paragraphs athe French Jonrnals which were dial
rested against the new state of things in Spain,
plained of them to the French Government. The
vernment replied, tint they had nothing to do with
; but the Spanish Minister rephed—e•Tes,
papers;
confroul of those papers in your own hands.
I insist upon it, that von have no right to sow divisions,
in our country. We have no army of our own to enforce'
this right ; but we can plant the tri-coloured Hag upon
the Pyrenees, and retort upon von, by setting you
. at va- I
riance with yourselves." So the Spanish Minster was
said, at least, to have replied, and his representation I
was elfectnal. The Noble Baron proceeded to contend, i
that the presumption of all English law was, that, where
arbitrary power existed, it was likely to be abused.
He must say, whatever were the fears expressed ins pe-
tition on the table, he had no apprehension that, under
this Bill, any
.process of an indirect nature would be I
remitted winch might affect her Majesty. But still
fears of such a process might be entertained elsewhere
by individuals. He would put a case. Supppoose a sub-
ject of Austria—and he singled out Austria because, he
must say, that in all times and places, if any thing un-
fair, wean, and treacherous, was to be done, the Aus-
trian Government was ready to do it—suppose, then,
that a subject of Austria hail deemed his evidence would
be of great use to her Majesty in her approaching trial
—suppose be had the virtue in a country where virtue
was often considered a crime, to wish to quit that coun-
try, was it to be supposed that be would have the man-
liness—the gallantry—to come over to England to give
his evidence, when he feared that, by the Alieu Act,
he might again be sent back, and exposed to the tyranny
of the power he had defied: But, to pass over ail these
evils, lie might ask, where were the advantages of such
a Bill ? It was possible, at least, that it 'night be abused
without the knowledge of the Noble Voseount. He
looked upon it as a contradiction of the spirit of ail our
laws, as subverting the foundation of British jarisprn-
ammo so entrust arbitrary power to any man, or any set
of mess, on the presumption that it would not be abused.
Nor did be think that it was any reason, that because
an Alien Act was passed in left 4, that an Alien Act
should also be passed in ift4o.—(Hear, hear!)
The Ilarl of Livenvoot, maintained, that the power
existed in the Crown of this country of sending away
aliens, but undoubtedly that power was to be exer-
cised under the responsibility of Ministers, and he
allowed it was subject to usediientions by Parliament.
The right undoubtedly existed by die non law, of
ordering away aliens by proclamation; hut. then re.
course should he had to the Courts of Justice to en-
force the proclamations if it were disobeyed; and it
was became this coarse would be productive of incon-
venience, that the aid of the present Bill was required.
Ile did nut think it nee to vindicate the tiovere.
meat from the imputation of being disposed to apply
the powers of this Act to a proceeding now pending
in this House. As to the elect of the Act upon the
the feelings of iisdividnals, he was not to account for
them. He did net think, however, that witnesses
against her Majesty would have any reason to refer
I florer as a landing plare.—(Hear! and laughter.)—
He might ask what effect the proceedings it Dover
might have the ether cosy, and esisetber they were test
Wally to balsam the question of feeling betwenn the
wham ea each side. The Noble Earl them dere.
mired the attack that had been made by she Pishile
Berea epos the tiovenmerat of Malaria. In all her
misdeals with this eeknish the conduct of that power

'was peculiarly and Akio country, he ;Sight
add, was ander peculiar obligations to Austria. As
to its intersal condition, it should be se
:that Austria was conirosed carious Statelidtrit
1, fro. each other in 1401 s and
,prejudices, sad spar
Ler them only newty.*ltal. est, hotwitisstanitng
I thil !riflery, there 'the not a ceibtry in lrenopt, .or,

people ball a strosirs Mtn&
tieveraenent, or experiesceel seen peso.
happiness t►an in Austria. It was a
by principles of the strictest
explanation, weed not retract a
said with regard to Austria.
_ of t►e States alluded to by the
RarL . certainly had not the good fortune
to meet with the blessings which the Noble Earl had
spoken of. Hut since the Noble Earl had so warmly
eulogised the honour of Austria, he must presume
that (government ►ad last night received payment of
the debt owing by Austria to this country.—(HearD
Earl l'aaxaavoa spoke against the motion.
Lord CALTHORPE thought it unreasonable that any
apprehension should be entertained front the visits of
foreigners into this country during a period of profound
peace; ranch ntore that such apprehensions could be
made the gronnigs of a measure which only emergen-
cies could justify. In his opinion the Huverturrent
would be touch more iolvantageously employed in
slrikin~ at the root of discontent than in bringing
forward measures for the purpose of excluding an in-
terronrse which. it was supposed, might be prejudicial
to the order anal loyalty of the people. He felt it his
duty to oppose the motion.
Their Lordships then divided, and the nutalwrt
were--

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Adjourned at Ralf-pa%t Nine o'cloek.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS, 'Fusses?, JULY IS.

Peliew's Divorce, and the Witnesses in India Bills,
were severally read a third time and passed.
THE LATE DUKE tW KENT.—Upon the mo-
tion of the eNAPICILLOS of the Excnaouirn, an ad-
dress was ordered to he presented to the Kiag, [un-
its/ his Majesty to appropriate 6,0001. from the Con-
solidate Funds towards defraying the charges incident
to the establishineat of the late Duke of Keot, being
a quarter's annuity, due the 3th of April last. His
Royal Highness was stated to have died on the fist of
January, which was within the quarter.
ACC( lUNTA NT-liE.\ ERA L—Mr.C.aras rr said,
that having put off his motion relating to the receipts
of the Acconntant-Ueneral, on a former night, on ac-
count of the absence of an lion. Member (Mr.. Court-
enay), whom he now saw in his place, he• *maid take
this opportunity of calling the attention of the House
to it, not expecting any 'opposition. The,Accuuntant-
General, he observed, had, as the House well knew,
not only a stated salary, but also fees, which he
shared with his broker. This statement of itself de-
monstrated the necessity which there existed of bring-
ing the probable proceeds of the situation under the
consideration of the House. His object w•as to give to
the AccountantMeneral a fixed salary. With this view .
he moved for an account of all sums received on corn-
missions of brokerage by the Accountant-lieneral, as
well as the portion of them which had been divided !
between the Aecountant-General and ail- broker for
file last ten years.
Mr. COURTZNAY w•as a little surprised that a lien-
flensan who had filled the Ace for only six months
should have been called upon to rrnde► an account of
its receipts for the ten years preceding. he House
would easily perceive, that they must trust entirely to
that Uentleinan himself: there was no other way of
coming at any knowledge ..f the profits of the situa-
tion. Yet he was persuaded there would be no back-
warkness in the individual to furnish the account, if
the House required it, but lie saw no good that could
result from it. Indeed he thought it a hardship, as
the Accountant-General was not an officer of the Court.:

Ile was sure the Accountant-tieneral wonlil have no
objection to receiving a stated salary, but he (Mr.
C.) (petitioned the policy of such a measure. It was
quite clear that a remnneration to him fur the profits
he now had should be paid out of sonic fund, and it
would eventually be paid by the public. At present
the suitors who were heoefitted by his exertions were
those who paid him ; this he thought more reasonable
than that the public at large should pay, many of
whom had no 'merest at all in it. He thought, there-
fore, the course of remuneration which was at present
adopted was the lighter of the two. IVith regard to
the accounts, it was unreasonable to demand of the
present Accountant• General to furnish any before his
own time.

Mr. A 'lantana tet e thought, that as the same broker
had beets employed for the last ten years, there could
be so difficulty now in rendering the accounts of that
period up to the present time. Ile also was inclined
to doubt the policy of giving a stated salary to the Ac-
countaat-General in lien of his fees, bet he was per-
suaded the motion of his Hon. Friend did not at all
suppose any impropriety in the conduct of the present
Accountant-General in the discharge of the duties of
that olive.
Mr. CALCRAIT said a few words in reply, and the
motion was agreed to.
ADJOURNMENT OF Tint HOUSE.—A modes
having been made by Lord CASTLILNICAGI4 that the
Horse at its rising should adjourn over to Monday next,
Mr. CALCKAF r wished to know whether any period
beyond Monday had been fixed fora further adjourn-
ment ?

Lord CAOTIAREAO/1 replied, that he had fixed upon
Monday, wit► a view of keeping as twat as possible to
the day when the other House would rise. This
House, in the mean time, would be enabled to wait the
proceedings in the House of Lids; and being go-
vented by them, could fix the date of a %tire adjourn-
ment with more certainty. However, when the Hill,
which was of the last importance, should come before
that House, care should be taken to ensure the Mkst
attmednace of Members, by having a ea of the whsle
Mows.

MU BARRACKS.—The Order of the Day for
tilt thin( realist( of the Barracks Agreemeut Bill hay-
-1 big been moved,
Kr. LOCICHAIIT said, be had many objections to the
peinciple of this 13111, which, though the Bill was now
at a lam stage, he world mate to
that from the dime eime
die activity whisk oast te

ammo of the preoa, aided by thel
as sreeti force of now MO was
tropolis, het be 4* sot disk as

width was chic,, lt or moselltaional figinuth "
M per tested for yours, to the exclusion of
every other system. From the army. elide up as it
was at present of sues to whom we owes, es mech.
' he did not fear any ailing for the Mortise of Of 01011-
try, bat Ise sprebeatiest pea *sager bath ho the .1110-
march and the psepi. from a new reeeof ma, bred up
is barracks, and no longer bound by ties of gretitsdP
to their conistrymea. The meet eatened eenedtational
force would be to wised association of tidings 01
weals}, wbo would fret themselves intiontesed in pre-
serving order. Shutting mu up within high walls
tended to make *eon morose, as was roved by wen
conked in masufartories. In most plates abroad
there was a military pollee composed of the principal
ishabitanto. The Hon. Member thou reamed to the
revolutions which had been brought about in Preece
aid Spain by the soldiers, and in stroag wen Ogee-
cited the use of them exclusively as preservers of the
peace. He conchided by saying be mid invade the
Hoene upon a question which he eonsideied so teat
portant.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, when npon
a division, the numbers appeared to be—. .
For the Bill
Agana it
Majority . . .
IRISH DIFTiLLERIELS.—upon oar return to the
gAllcry we found Mr. C. Hueco/noon speakiegagainst
the Rill in progress through the Howe, relating to
the Irish Distilleries, the principles of which, he con-
tended, were contrary to the recommeselatioss of the
Hoard of Excise in Ireland. He complained, that the
measures of Ministers were calculated to drive Irish
spirits entirely out of the English markets. llioisiers
had the Report of the Board of Excise in their hands,
&nil if they would but produce it, it would prove how
hostile that body were to the Bill mow In progress
through the Horne. After some more observations.
the floe. Member concluded by moving for Copies of
the Report of the Board of Excise of Ireland, with
their observations urn the proposed Regaatioas upon
Irish Distilleries; and else for Copies of the Report
wade by Messrs. Doyle and Can, in their inspection
of Ireland in the autumn of 1619.
The CHANCILLOR of the EXCIMQVIIII said, then. was
no such document as the Report of the Board of Ex-
cise, lot: he had in his hand a letter from the Chief
Coniutissiotter Hutchinson, which seemed friendly to
the regulations of the Bill. He saw no possible good
that could arise from the production of the Report of
Messrs. Doyle and Carr, and therefore recommended
the Hon. Member to withdraw his motion. If the
Hon. Member did not accede to that proposition, he
would more the previous question upon it.
Mr. CMCNKSTIII complained, that information re-
garding the spirit trade of Ireland had been always
withheld. He wished to know from the Right Hon.
Gentleman, when he purposed to carry his Bill thr..ugh
the Howie ?

The CH•NCLI.LOR of the F.:x(llE4/I;ER SRlel lie mea:it
to bring it on again before the adjournment.
Mr. CHICIIISIER said, the ►est interests 1)( Ireland
were connected with the prosperity of the split trat!,,
which this 11111 would entirely destroy. He gave ti
tice, that attic Bill should pass, he would move for
Con 111 l ittee to inquire into the whole subject, so tb..t
the House would be enabled to make souse fixed
regula-
tions, and abandon the vacillating system that had
been pursued.
General lI.iRT spoke in favour of small stills, th
establishment of whirls in Ireland would, he wan per
suaileil, serve, among other advantages, to double the
produce of the revenue in that country, as they ha t
done in Scotland. The tiallsnt Officer also repeated
his complaint as to the manner in which still bur♦
were levied in Ireland.

Mr. HVTVIIINISON declared, that he was very unwil-
ling' to interrupt the harmony which had roanienced
between himself and the Right Hon. lientleusan upon
the subject of the Irish distilleries; but still hr noi.t
decline to withdraw the motion, as be was desiroui
record his opinion upon the Journals.

The motion fur the previous question eras carried
without a division.

Rt.:STU:I'IO\S UPt IN TRADE.—Mr. WALLA, r,
on bring up the Report of the Committee, to ,gel's
were referred the several Petitions with regard to r.-
strietions upon oar foreign trade, expressed his rep,.
that his Bon. Friend, who usually rat upon the other
side of the House (Mr. Baring), and by whom a wo't
interesting and instructive petition had been presented
upon this subject, was not present on this occasion, e•-
perially as his absence war caused by a severe domes.
tic affliction. The Commithes felt with the Condense,'
who subscribed that petition, that any attempt at an
immediate remedy fur the notrictions upOi trade must
be iosilactuaL But the Committee were fully impressed
with the sonndness of the principle, that all restrieflous
upon trade were an evil only to be justified by cou.si-
derations of great political expediency. The tip':
great object that engaged the attention of the Com-
mittee was the Navigation Law, which prohibited
the import of any article which was not the producer
of a foreign State olden is British shipping, :and
in thin law the Committee recommended ammo re-
fixation. The next object for the consideration of
the Committee was the warehousing system, and
the Committee felt that this system should be exten.le I
as widely as possible, so that aM artkies of for.igs
produce, whether in a emeifasturesi or unassombeL
tared stases might be inessell end warshitasal. ex-
cepting in one cam' he went that of limo, the
grounds upon which those meommesdadooo tested.
on the part of the Committee., would lie tipsy stated
when the propositions should he made fise carrying
them into eireet. The timmittee were peetillorly wrack
by an evil which was Iblelliestremely eqbarrassing
to trade; he mince the owthiplielty and complexity of
' the laws. They found from a Report made is 11115.
that thfro were 10011 kin tiro the imatiect of trade,
of Willtb 4lmirs 11141 19.10a,4110 1,100 la assail
word tin
NW. whoa ti Wasonsidered,
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trifirei
Wit by haurest AO if those
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Hy happsoed. As the
meat to their Goveraener
rhe might characterize it, find liberty and happine,
npost it as one of the
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regulated t
tiny that was known la
t chain which kept down PuritY•
clogged the pursuit of Lord RALLtorn, in
urged at the t,ongresses. word of what he hid s.
nett this country to the, He had resided in dome €
err; he hid rood reason Noble Bari, and he rerta

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• tie Holier. He ad- laws, • ship' sid Oa cargo Wore liable. ao he sui
of the popolotioa, sod What a resilialiall 0111dehoWi• Owe la tea& must
ma the pablis mind * a gyssons reduce? d..sadiesdidissige In that system
Koren of &cad,. sired else nrossmry. Rat i the tints to refs
necessary n 1 dae toe- 'restria4eet, tittmi;r2a, wt* hares that rep
s army was that force tetat-Sh had' to' bald* *lsles had rant lip