The Statesman.
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Orepresznting. to her 31ajosly the .Address from
Camberwell on Monday, Mr. Fa% ell took orra•ion to
refer to the cirrwustanres under which it bad been
voted. The followir7 is A copy of her Majesty's an-
t•wer to the Address

" I cordially thank the Inhabitants of the Parish of
tit. (files, Camberwell, for this. Loyal and affectionate
Address. •

" The powerful conspiracy by which I have been u►
lately assailed, and w Itich seems to menace me ++ith every
ill, that a (been could dread sir a %WIWI deprecate, has
been vanquished by the strenuous oppositions it has ex-
cited in the kindly syinpathies* and the genero•is 'esti-
tnents of the community.

" God is a God of truth ; and in the very constitution
of the world he iIJII esected a barrier to p . - his
moral and intellectual creatures from the subtilties of
falsehood, and the enormities of perjury.
" If my enemies had any regard for the welfire of the
kingdom, they would endeavour to appease the ili4ron-
tents they have excited, and to allay the storm they hive
produced.
" The people of this country are affectionately attached
to the principles of ustice, which they are conscious has
been flagrantly violated in the conduct of uly enemies.—
When my rights are restored, the popular resentment
will subside.

" If my enemies are too pusillanimous to be liberal,
and too proud to be just, tkey can blame none but
themselves fur the violence of die public disconteuts.

KENSINGTON.

The Kensington Address ts an presented by Messrs.
Allen and Becket, to which the following is a copy of
her Majesty's Answer:—
" I cordially thank the Inhabitants of the of St.
Mary Ahhotts, Kensington, for this loyal and affection-
ate Address,
" The sentiment ofjustice has not vet fonod its way
into the hearts of my enemies. They bave been signally
frustrated in their attempt to effect my degradation ; but
the obstinacy of their pride, or the ratnity of their ma-
lice still urges them to withhold my rights ; and to fie-
prive me of that which they have, iu vain, labored to
prove not to be my due.
" Generous natures delight in relinquishing error end
in repairing injury ; but those, who are constitutionally
pusillanimons, and habitually vindictive, disseiable the
consciousness of injustice, and consider one injury oak!
as an incitement to another of a more aggravated kind:
My ads ersaries have longeeased to hold any communion
with justice or with truth. The total abience of thew
qualities in their late proceedings against me, has proved
more injurious to them than to myself. Providence has
often wisely and mercifully caused vice to furnish its
own adversaries, and falsehood to supply its own re-
futation.
" 1 have been protected not only by the high-twintlei
generosity of my friends, bat even by the low-turoJeel
111110 MIT of my enemies.”

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, and SYDNEY died es the Beef°ld!"

. LANDI.VG OF THE PILGRIMS.
(PROM TB! NEW TORN SPECTATOR OP SEPT. 23, 1820.)
CELSBRATION ST TH2 Naw BNOL ISO SOCIETY.-
/ht Second Centurial Anniversary of the landing of
the pilgrims, was yesterday celebrated with proper
demonstrations of respect and reverence to the memory
of oar ancestors. At half past 3 o'clock, the So-
ciety assembled at the Rev. Dr. Spring's Church.
Divise service was begun by singisg the I(l7th Psalm,
to the tune of Old 'Hundred, than which it is believed,
that no portion of the Psalms of David could be
more appropriate to the occasion. A prayer was then
aAiressed by the Rev. Dr. Romeyn, who after having
mahtioned, that their forefathers had been obliged to
nee from their native country, in consequence of their
beiv persecuted for their political and religions sew
tin:lents, devoutly implored the Deity, that their de-
sceariants might be enabled by divine grace to jai-
tatgereir virtual. •
sermon was by she Rev. Pr. Spring. who
toot few his text, the following words f Psalm
CVII. verse 7th—" Aad he led them jOrth by di,
right wiry, t4as they ,aid ht go to a cit.,/ habitatioss.-
He pointed out in very feeling terror, the great dull-
eulties which these pilgriins experienced from famine,
from pestilence, and from being placed in a land,
where none but beasts of prey and savages had here-
tofore existed. They, however, put their confidence
in the 3lost High, anal he in due time delivered them
from all their ditfculties. Two hundred years hail
elapsed, since the pilgr;tus landed in New England.
They were men of o loon the world was not worthy.
The Rev. Dkine observed, tl.at King James Ist of
England, tinder the pretence of exacting decency :ma
order in relit:ions matters, bad enacted that certain
rights and reremonks should be obsened, in the Cele-
bration of Divine worship, with which our fore.
fathers, as they did not belicse them to be sanrti meal
by the Holy Scriptures, nonld not comply. '1 het
formed their religious opinions from the Bilde, and
would not submit to any other authority. Hence they
were tern td -Nua-C',/%..; an I hcraii.e they
ware remarkable for their stri• t observance of the
Sabbath, and averse from every kind taf intetoperance,
their enemies gave them the nick name of Proitaas.
liPPre"o4l lay the strong hand of liovernment, anal
prevented from worshipping titxl, according to the
dictates of their own copseiences, a nuitilicr of them
led to Holland ; where, under the pastoral cnre of
the Rev. Mr. Robertson, they remained for some
time. Wishing, latsever, for a situation, in %shit!b
they conld be more useful to themsek es and to others,
in the year 16211, one hundred and twenty of them,
with their Reverend Pastor, goigre,ed to the New
"heir outset was peculiarly unfortunate; os,
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4iM. to tempestuous weather, thej were twice
lu put back. They still, however, perse-
vered.

After many diihrnities, they at last arrived at Cape
FA, on the I Ith of 'November, hi that y#llll -inftrun
no 2211 of Decelliber, took their station in what is
now culled Pilgrims Rock, Soon after their arrival,
they wade a treaty with the Indians, and thus got
quiet and peaceable possession of the country, with-
out imbruing thei. hands in the blood of their fellow-
mart:ill. In the year 1634, a tinniber of pious
renple, persecuted as the others had been 1.. r their
religious opinions, tool; shcitcr, in what might then
have been called " The Western IVilderticss."—New-
Ilaten and Providence Plaatation %%ere then settled.

We have neither time Our room at present to purvue
the Reverend filen!leuish further. The whole elk-
course, however, was of a eh !rartt•r to do honour
both to the head and heart of the readier. •
At 7 o'clock, the Society assembled at the itv
Hotel, where they partook of a miner. 3laior Geti.
Stevens, the !'rest dent of the Society, presitb at she
table. Among the guests were the Rev. Mani
Brownell, Rev. Doctors Romeyn and Sprint, Her•.
Mr. Waitry right, Commodore l'hauney, and C. I.
House.

The following toasts were given. Upon annuttnrint:
the Volunteer toasts, Zechariah Lents, Joseph Brackett
and Thomas G. reseenden, Esquires, delivered appro-
priate and impressive speeches.
After the President had retired, Jos. W. Brackett,
wAs calle.l to the Chair, and the health of th,•
venerable General was drank.

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TOASTS.
Ist. The anniversary we celebrate. Ever glorious in
the annuls of New England. Musk, Yankee Dootitr.
Song, " Hail, Sons of the Pilgrims".
•241. The United States—May their union, lilierty, and
happiness be perpetual. Music. Washington's 31ariiii—
Quartette, " Awake, .Eolian Lyre.- •-
;td. A volunteer Toast. Music, Air, Minor.
4th. The generous Holaaders —May their hospitality
,to our at:rester be remembered with gratitude. Music,
timid March in Henry IV. Dori, " All's well."
sth. The Clergy of New En, i land.
lit . A volunteer Toast. Music, Anacreon in Heaven.
Oke, ".Hail glorious light."
7th. The immortal memory of Washington- glory
of oar country, the admiration of the world. Musk,
Plevel's Moms."
nth. 'Phe 'President and Congress of the United
States. Music, President's March—Catch, " Mr.
Speaker."
9th. The judiciary Autionity of our conntry—Con.
trolled by law, but independent of • popularity, party, or
power. Music, Hail Columbia—Song, " Erin go
Braes."
10th. The State of New Yorlc—First in population,
,first in Commerce; may she ever stand first in public
improvemest. Music, York Fusiteers—Duet " The
Drum."
I I tb. A volunteer Toast. Music, Hamilton's March
—Sang, " The host for liberty,"
12th. Peace—May its empire be extensive.as the globe,
and lest* as time. Music, Life hi us Cherish. Olee,
"Oh irbro be happy." •
13*. The virtuous Daughters of the Merlins. MINK
'Case bases to the wedding. like, "To all you ladles
ea* M boa" VOLCSITIBTIO.
dboPesalsbas.,..-Cestersl4loearser Stevraa.—play
idae psimelples and *toes of mos aseesters• he based
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down to posterity, and endure as Imperishable as the
Bock on which they landed.
By Cimino'lore Chauncy.—Thit memory of Oliver
Elsworth, the late Chief Justice of the United States.
lh• Col. House.—lion. Carver, the brat GoVernor of the
Colimy of M.rsachusetts.
Be 'Moses Rogers, Esq.—lndustry in youth and inde-
pendence in old age.
By Daniel Boardman, Esq.—Commerce and Manufar-
tures -11I3V they dourisir together, but neither at the Ga-
pe:l.e of the other.
By T. G. ressenden.—The Clergy of ,\re• Englau.i
—as intelligent and pure patriots as the nation hs,
kntown.
liv J. W. Brackett. —New England, the land of our
forefathers.
lly 111 r. Se4lgerviek.—The metropolis of New England,
second to none for intelligence, mural; and religion.
By Z. Lewis.--The memory of the Pilgrims.
By J. M. Ely.-- Ch and religions liberty ; tU.' lone
and -achievenunit of the Pilgrims—The fair anti iirw
beritance of their sons.

P.MLl:4llr.vr.

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-1101 SE OF LORDS. MuteAy, JAN. E 3.

About two o'clock, the King. entered the ►ktve wit!,
the !mull state. His 11!aje•ty being. !rated on the
Throne, and the Co:unions having cor., in4.l.vilkere
to his Majesty's coultuattes, to the the hit:g de-
livered the follo►riug srreols

Lotto.. AND GENTLEMEN,
" With littti h sati.taction I announce. that I rontinne
to receive from Foreirn l'owerF. the strongest a.Kurancrs
of friendship ton trds this coneti.T. 1...ik0n deeply regret
if the orcarrences have lately taken plat.. on 11.1.
Continent Antall! li•ad to an i :it..rroption of that friendship
should they do sal shall not fail to false each iiriY+•3t.:
prey:lotions a 7 may future the continname of a perma-
nent Peace.

"I;ENTI.FMEN or Tut: linton Or ComMeNg.
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" The assures ht tt high, tl in ...•..ie la t. por.
lihment, yon made provision for the rnprn: rs of tny
Government, mid for the honor and dirnity of the
Crown, demand my it armest aeknowleilizaients.
" I have directs the I:3tituates of the tresent year to
be laid before yon.

" I feel much sitisfaction in ftatinz that a reditcsian
can he wade in the present Alilitary Establishment.
" I ola.erre with to et, that a material aleficienec has
taken vl.ace in the Res enue of Ireland bids deficiency
must he attributed to the us:fortnnate circtintsta tin s
o hich have lately afferte4 that part of the 17ni led king-
dom. Although stanch depression hal existed, for atiftle,
in this country, I hare the satisfaction to .state. that
upon the total iterenne there will be louts.] a
considerable increase. T1111.....kr. some 111PR011e
caused by the new taxes ; but referfipg so that lerifi,Ch
of the revenue frig which the int-rnal state of the
whole country may be ascertained; 1 trnst it will be
(mud that there Is err appear ince of improtentent.
" The separate provision whirl'. in the year !sl-I. was
made for the (liter's as Princess of Wales, ceased at hi.
late Majeity's death. Since that eentit, I base iiirect:d
such advance, as ow* atieuerizeil by lam ; and it is tOr
von togousider ulna, under all the vireo iii‘t.iners, %via
ire s-ro.4loo.esasimaariviajoia lur her and the suntirt.
brandies of the [Loyal 'aanly.
" My Liens tiENTl.rstre,

" I have much pleasure. in acquainting ynn that rt
considerable improvement has taken piner in oar UMW
merce and 31anufactures ; and that the distress olio it
lately afferted them has very. materially 41,;,;prf,
" In the prese:lt state of ale con ntry, I place the firmest
reliance the loyalty of the people towards esiy
person and government. Of that loyalty 1 dear receive
many trstiniohies ; and, while these cannot but he grate-
ful to my feelings, they are the best safeguard of my
Thronn.

the discharge of yonr kereral ditties I hire
no thol'it yon will be sensible if the neressiiv
of pro...ioting a due obesnenre to the laws, and a respec:
for our ancient institutions; to whirl., under
denre, we owe our prciaperity and•renown as a nation."
Ilia Ilsjesty quitted the Bonier with the s:iiiie state
as ou enie, big it, ind the ('ominous retired,

'I he Bishop of Facet• took tile oaths an.i his seat.
The Iluu•.e solj•ourueil auring•plearure, and wet agaiu
soon after fig e o'clock.

The of LIVERPOOL, according to ancient
usage, pie•t'nted a 13.11 for the better Regulation of
Select Ve.trieN tchirh teas reatta first ti►ue.

THE ADOI:UNS.

The I.9IWCHANCELLOII. rt Ld the Spree'.
which was again read by the 'leading Clerk at the
:able.

The Earl of BELMORE said. he should not leave
to take up much of their Lordship? time in mov-
ing an Address, in answer to his Majesty's most gra-
cious Speech, a circumstance which he could not
but consider as fortunate., the circumstances of 1.1"
life having so much removed 'him from the sphere of
Parliamentary business, thatrlie shou'lil not have felt
himself competent to the task-of addressing the House
at nenrh length. lie could
.not, however, anticipate
any repposiiion to the Address lie was about to propose
as all their Lori !lips must by actuated by feelings of
loyslty, and attachment to /IA person of the Soyereisn,
and to his tlovernnient, which it was most gratifvin•_•
to find, actuated generally all classes of his Majesty's
sul.jects, testimonials of that loyalty and attachment
having been received from all quarters of the ctittutry'
It W3A most gratifying to find, that this *as the crease;
and that the efforts of those persons had failed, whs.
endeavoured, by a gross exaggeration of the distteas4
of the country, to excite feelings amongst the peoples
subversive of those institutions to which we owed, trod
must fond/we to owe, all our prosperity. His Lorelt-
ship then proceeded through the several topics of the
Speech-from the Throne, in brief responses of contra-
t,..".•!tion to its language, and finally moved au humble
Address to his Majesty.
Lord PRUDHOE, after the eloquent speech' of his
Noble Friend, thought It quite unnecessary to tronhle
their Lordships with mat, words, and concluded by
iecionding•the Address.
The LORD CHANCELLOR read the Address.
The Ettri ORRY—Air Lords, it is painful to me to
distal* die unanimity *hide the Noble Leila base
astiripared ; bat though it is Dot WI
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ntention to move any Amendment to the Address,
slo not feel it to be consistent with my duty to suffer
it to be agreed to with that unanimous vote which the
Noble Lords seem so confidently to have looked for-
ward.• It is not. that 1 object to any particular
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passage or phrase in the Address, but what I complain
of is, that 'the Address does not enter into those de-
tails which I consider to he necessary, in order to
pat his Majesty in posseseion of the difficulties and
*lmagers which now embarrass and threaten the coun-
try. The Noble Lords have found a subject for eon-
gratelatlon,
in unison with the Speech from the
Throne, in the Loyal Addresses, which, it is alleged,
have been received from all quarters of the country ;
bat whilst I admit, that amid the general expression
of public opinion, there has nut been the slightest
tleficieacy is that loyalty and attachment to the per-
son of the Sovereign and the system of the Govern-
meat, which are so strikingly characteristic of the
people of this country ; still no man can have looked
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at t expression of public opinion with an unpre-
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judiced eye, without being thoroughly convinced
that there has been a general, liar, almost universal

.declaration of the public sentiment against the sys
tens of the present administration. To that system
have been justly attributed all the evils that have
come upon us, and all the irritation, dissatisfac-
tion, awl discontent, that those evils have pro-
duced ; nor can soy man, ilis;.essionately view-
ing the slate of the country. in this, the sixth year
of peace, be other than convinced that, without a change
•of that system, irretrievable ruin insist ensue. It is in
vain to attempt to gloss over or palliate the defects that
s:evelope the state of distress to which the country is re-
eaced. they are too palpable and evident to be thus got
lid of. We are told, it is true, in the Speech from the
'throne, that some branches of the revs • have in-
creased, and that there has been an increased prosperity
in some departments of our commerce and inatiufectures;
where this increased prosperity is to lie found I am mit-
terly at a loss to know—or, at least, in what way there j
is any increase that can he considered available in any
sts•eree to mitigate the distressed state of the cimistry.—
No information of which I ant in possession leads use to
the conclusion, that any real. increase of prosperity has
taken place ; certain it is, that with regard to agrienl-
titre, of which by-the-by no mention is made in the
Speeeii from the Throne, nut only is there no diminutiou
of the general distress, bust in that part of the country
midi which I am more immediately connected, and where
pc-:isaps from
some causes, the distress has lest 'seen so
much felt as in other quarters, there is not only no im-
mediate prospect of any relief, but there is a getie.
r.l approliension that the distress and danger of our
atuatiun must most alarmingly increase. lam no ;vivo-
cate fur Corn Bills; but when the distress of the agri-
cnltural interests is so evident and so appalling, it is
surely incumbent upon the Government to give sonic
pledge, at least that they will take those distresses into
consideration, and endeavour to discover some remedy.
Bet the people in 'vain expect any relief under the pre
-ent system of Government, and they have loudly de-
dared, that they have no confidence in it. A redeetion
in the military establishment is undoubtedly in itself a
• •ihject of congratulation, but flinch more titan ilia is
requisite-to be done. Let a conciliatory system of Go-
vernment be adopted, and let means be taken to appease
that irritation which so nuhappily prevails; and then the
military establishment may be reduced to a still greater
• xtent ; ants then an essential relief will he afforded to the
taardens of the country. Let also those bills of restraint
be repealed, which have proved nothing in their effect
hat that they are utterly inefficacious, and then restored
confidence will resider the Government strong in the af-
fs-etions of the people, without having recourse to any
military aid. Having ;bought it my duty, my leirds, to
any thus much upon the general situation of the country,
/ slow proceed to remark upon some passages of the
Speech. The Noble Lords have expressed their congra-
tulations upon the pacific assurances in the speech from
Throne, and sit far as to the general expression I may
them; hut I cannot help observing, that there is a
sap ti:oleas in the statement with regard to events in ha-
lt, and that there is a want of ilistimossess with regard
to Naples. There (moist to hare been some assurance
u:esis that subject distinct and positive—in oily and open
—without leaving it to conjecture and inferein•e, as to
whether we are not secretly taking part with those
rowers who constitute what is called the Holy :Alliance,
messiest those changes whirls have taken place in Naples
iu favour of the liberty of the subject. Would it not
tare been a more manly and direct course to have stated
nit it the system is upon which the Government is now
a.ling, than to have made a general and vague assertion.
t! e terni4 of which are belied by the acts which the Go-
vernmect are suffering to exist er committing? Why is
it that at the present moment we have no accredited isti-
via:et at Naples, between whom and the present Go-
vernment of that kingdom any official intercourse can
lake place ? Upon this point no satisfactory explana-.
t•on was given upon a former occasion, when I
brought it under the notice of the House ; and 1 re- !
g: at to find that still• not only no explanation is
elven, but we have a striking exemplification of the real
palter that is pursuing, when we find, that in the lst
o p icific professions and assnrances, an Austrian army
Jtl the frontiers of the Austrian territories ready to
it arch upon Nape . and a formidable squadron is sta-
t, mei' in the Bay of Naples, under the command of a
itish Admiral. Under such circumstances, it is surely
tr •re than ever necessary, that some explicit derlara-
ti in should he made by the British Government of its
:•••tentions with regard to Naples, and of the system of
peicy which it is actually pursuing, and not that it
etiouid lie left to be inferred, that the British Govern-
ment. contrary to all the principles upon which the Bri-
tlsh Constitutlou is established, contrary to all those
prineiples, upon the basis of which the liberties of the
British people rest, is now secretly abetting the Soy'-
, inns of the Holy Alliance in their endeavours to up-
aio;il what they are pleased to call the 111oisarchical
korinciole, by which they mean, that no system of mis-
rile shell be altered, except at the pleasure of the Sove-
reign, and that no• people, however oppressed, shall
lave the liberty of malting any change in any system of
misgovernment 'that despots may choose to establish.
tie may at least preserve a neutrality. though I cer-
tainly do not mean to advocate a neutrality upon such
an urea:eon ; when Sovereigns interfere to crush the
!Betray of anther SUM, We ought to set our determina-
tion against such a principle ; and it is sitrely saving
Letse for our influence upon the Continent, after all those
splendid victories which our arms have obtained, to say
i.eit.we were unable to prevent the Sovereigns of the
Bois- Alliance from so unfairly interfering with t-:y do-
inestic affairs of Naples. I sl.euld like to know by what
authority these Sovereigns bare constituted them/wiles
amts a tribyual at Lay bath. to summon before them an
imi-urpermant Monarchs to anfiver to the charge of having
torsented to give freedoum to bis people. It seems to
l; .e the utmost stretch of usurpation ; and it is indeed,
mutest disgraceful to this eliustry that we shoalml be abet-
tiux.snebito usurpation, "by placing• ourselves in that
situation with regard to \Ness to which I have already
allotted, and under which wren; hare nu official eche-
anurtication with itspreseat Goviii•nineat. As, however,
tao:iettunities must 411;CIII of !idol/log forward this sub-

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led again, I shall not sow go further into it. Thel lied rot' theta success on shifts and expeiliehts—to un- state
question mast of course, in some shape or other, come
'iterate derstand what was meant by a system of Government. wheamoever
Parliament. There tslittle e that calls upon
It was easy, however, for other, to comprehend what on the'
sue to nimble your Lordships with any remark. It can-
•not, however, escape observation, that in the vetch was designed by the change in the system of Govern- tarots
from the Throne, his Majesty returns thanks to the went alluded to by his. Noble Friend. It meant an article
two !louses of Parliament, for the provision made in abandonment of the harsh measures puretedsted of the alluded,
the last Session, for the support or his Majesty's Civil harsh language used towards the people—the adoption and if 4
-Government, and of the dignity of the Throne, and this of a conciliatory spirit towards them—a return to that our part,
• naturally leads to the recollection, that thanks were not good-hutuoneed Government which they had formerly Ministers
returned by his Majesty at the close of the last Session '
enjoyed--the restoration of that happy old system un- streted (
of Parliament, and to the remembrance of the very un-
ceremonious prorogation that took place little more than der which they tasted contentment and rorered the ' any treaty
owers which promoted their prosperity.—(Hear.)— , t eini;-
two months ago, without a word being said from the p
Throne, a proceeding altogether, I 'believe, without pre- The Noble Earl said that the policy of this country tomb
eedent in the first year of a new reign. I am happy, was peace, but would a remonstrance against the inter- Lord
however, to observe, that Parliament is now called upon ference of others be an interference on our part ? He ' loan,
in the Speech from the Throne, to consider of a pro- was not to be deceived by such profemiens of non-in. ouele
vision to be :smile for the Queen; and I trust that, with -
tertereuce. He remembered when the Prussian army Mr.
regard to that question, such measures will be adopted
was marching under the Duke of Brunswick against TI
as may tend to remove the causes of that irritation in
Prance, our Ministers held the same language and Sethi,.
the public mind which has for some time so unhappily .
prevailed. Ido not think it necessary, at the present made the same professions of peace, he could not help subjects
moment, to take up the time of your Lordships by any thinking that the Allied sovereigns would see through to ale
further observations, as opportunities will no doubt our reasons for nut interfering. They will say, "we was
occur of taking into consideration those questions uhich may enjoy 'the good wishes of the British Cabinet, but lee
we
require it. •
canuot get their money, for we have robbed them '
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said he would not tremble
of that already." This put him (Lord Holland) in
their Lordships at any in in answer to what had
fallen from the Noble Earl, for, as far as he understood mind of a couplet of a poet, who would not be the less
the extent of his objection, it amounted to no more than attended to by the Noble Lords opposite, that he was
this—that thengle he did not think the speech from the a religions author :
Throne such a one as the state of the country called for, ".The doctor understood the call,
still it contained nothing to which he was disposed to " But had not always where withal."
offer any serious opposition. Under these circumstances •
1 Th • sis brought him to the other part of his subject.
it woulii not be necessary fat hint to say Much, but as he ' It appeared from the curreepondenee of the Neapolitan
might be supposed einwilting to meet, or unable to re-overnment, that a treaty was concluded on the 12th
pel some of the arguments advanced by the Noble Earl, ' G
of June. IS41:1, between the King of Naples and
if be were to abstain from all comitsents, he would allude I
as briefly as posstbie to the itillerent topics which had I the Allies. It Nether appeared that Austria at pre-
been introduced. he alluding to that part of the speech ! sent claimed the observance of a stipulation in that
from the Throne, which' referred to the sentiments of ; treaty, which, though not acknowledged by the lb/-
loyalty that were expressed from all quarters, the Noble : veriement, was admitted by the Duke of Catupochiaro.
Earl was pleased to describe it as the general opinion of "
was ; It was a secret article, by which Naples was bound
this country that the system of Government, wheat
not to snake any alterations in her goverussient iuju-
hitherto piersueil, ought to be changes'. The Noble i•
Karl had nut explained what he Meant b$ a charge. It ; rime* to the interests of monarchy ; and that the King
the Noble Earl objected to particular measures, let those • was not to introduce any change which was contrary
measures be examined. Ile was not prepared to deny to the system (for these powers knew very well what
that there might be parts of the system winch might re-I their system meant, though the Noble Lord opposite
quire to be reconsidered, an,' altered, or atbandotted
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(Liverpool.) and his reelleaent•s, did not profess to up-
lifter ow attentive inquiry ; but when the Noble Earl 1
talked of changing the system, dill he mean a revolution' derstand it) which the Emperor of Austria adopted
in the general system of the Government ? It so, be ; towards his Italian soiree. Now, if his Majesty's mi.
would say, in answer to audios proposition, do not pro- . nisters were an are i f this article, he maintained that
err!, for to it this country ones its salvation. In re-1 they had dealt wort unfairly n ith the people of this
(erring to that part of lite speech which alluded to an I country in not making it known. They were most
improvement in some branches of our commerce ands • • i
unjust in agreeing to it, et t itere litaiit n to them,
utanufactnres, the Noble Earl appeared not to have per-1
for it was in direct hostility to the principle upon
• reedy somprelientleil the parsage to which his observa-
tions were directed, and he had also said, that the agri. which they now went— that they would not attempt
culture of the country was teat mentioned. It was trite , any interfersoiee in the internal arrani:ements of any
that the word itself was not introduced, but the Nettle • country. But lie mold not think that his Majesty's
Kiri would hind the subject noticed in general terms in Ministers were aware of this secret article, for he could
that paragraph of the speech n :deli alluded to the agita- I
not bring him:tell to believe they were sunk so low as
i lions and distress produced I•v tetteleorary circumstances. I
that, if they had known it, they would not leave Fe-
e Whenever the Noble laird load any proposition of a par.
ticular kind to make relative to it, he (Lord Liverpool), utonstrateil against it at the tinge. They were bound to
would be ready to meet him. A tivelvemoutit ago the Ido so now, and it was their duty, as the ally of Aus-
great weight of distress tell upon the manufacturing diss I Dia, as well as of Naples, to remonstrate with
i Diets ; lent there certaiuly was a great pressure on the' the government of Austria on the steps which she
ieagriculteral interests, and he wished to caution the pub- seemed about to pursue tenants Naples. He would
i tic against giving way to any rash exretation of a re-, point out a mode in whish sorb remonstrance could
only on that subject, which., without prodneing any I
be made with effect. Ile would leave Itlinisters say to
benefits, might cause a great deal of mischief. 'Some
years ago, just at the conclusion of a long war, a reme- her (Austria), " Yon are stow in rash, you are raising
ily was tried, and it was sineirouted, that pries hail fal- 1 large sums in certain places, and sense Englishmen
len down to their forme' aumnett at whirl they were - arc engaged in advancing it to you, who will, no I
Whitli that roasseely was adopted ; and what was this fall.;
• an increase of produce Pi to doubt, look auxionely after the pal' went of the interest
of prices to be ascribed to, but
of their advances. You are about to commence a cru- ,
During thel3st Iwo years there wits no increase of istepor-
:sate i kis ; n a part of Italy, but before you begin to extend
tation, and vet prices had fallen. It was therefore
I opinion no that Legislative regulation whatever ono, t your vast sums, recollect that we have a little account
to take place on this subject; for of one law of this against you—be just before yon are generous, and
• kind which lead done any good, nine out of ten hail I pay your debts.-.—(Hear!)—He was reminded on this
done iniarleief. Let not the idea then go forth, that, • occasion of a short passage in the renowned tragedy
because an evil existed, there ought to bee Legislative re- of " Tom Thumb the Great," in which the flatterers t‘
• Mesh'. lie 01011 iii now proceed to futile the most import-
of that celebrated personage advise hint to follow up W•
tint topic connected with Isis Majesty's speech, awl the
observations of the Noble some extravagant project he load taken into his bead, hear
policy and the views o Lord, in order to explain the f
the Government. Nothing and their advice was exactly what the servility of tr
could be more explicit on the subject than his Majesty s I many of the smaller powers of Germany would give to non
speech, in which the King said, he should regret if the the kneperor of Austria at the present day. His flat-
occurrences of Italy should lead to an interruption of terers thus addressed T Thunele—
I tranquillity in that quarter, and that his object should " Great Sir, the purpose of your soul pursue."
'be to secure the continuance of peace. Indeed, the But while such advice was given, lie would have the
system and the policy of this country was peace, with a
Noble I.ortl opposite (Liverpool) say to his Majesty
view to our own condition. But he would now say that
there was no war which we should be more backward to the Eutperor—
engage in, than one that had fur its object an interfer- " Great 'Cyst have a small account with you."
ence in the com•erns of other countries.--(Hear, hear.) (Heir, and latighter.) '1 his he thought mould prove
—He had often before stated, that cases might occur a newt effectual re 1111 l testrant•e, and an excellent hint to
in which such interference would be necessary, on the the Empeior. This, he niaiutained, was in the power
ground tor our own security. But he would say, that
of ministers, aecosding to existing treaties, which it
the general doctrine ought to be, that of the standing
policy of this country being to avoid wars of this kind. was their duty to enforce. his belief was, that ministers
Ilse present was nut the time to enter into such gum- did not wish for a war on the part of Austria against
tions as these ; but opportunities would hereafter arise, I Naples. Bat it was not enough that they should con-
in which it might be uecessary to speak on the subject. fine themselves to the were circumstance of not wishing
The Noble Lord bad stated, that our duty was to have it. They should ret ttttt sstrate, and say to Austria, on
maintained a strict neutrality ; but his doctrine would the part of their Sovereign, " I disapprove of this war,
lead to any thing else than neutrality ; fur it must go
as I disapprove of any war with any nation founded
the length; of taking a decided part with one Power or
the other. His principle was, that a total abstinence on t• •• principles of such interference in its in.
from interference was the precise line of policy which ternal concerns." it was not now a matter
our duty pointed out to us as the only one that ought to ,of consideration how the Revolution in Naples
be adopted ; atel he could assure the (louse, that no snea. had been effected. one thing was certain—
mires wunld he taken by this Government that were not it was a bloodless one ; but if it were as bloody as it
in the true spirit of neutrality; and that there should Ise
was peaceable---if it were as little calculated for the
no attempt to interference in the concerns of other coun-
tries. With regard to that part of the Speech which ' peculiar advantage of that nation, as he was satisfied
said that there should be a reduction in the military it was conducive to their better Government, still he
force of the country, he bad to say, that last year there would denounce the principle of foreign interference
were cirettmstanres which rendered an increase of the with internal affairs of any nation and still less
military necessary. lint now be thought that such re- could he support such interference when made by au
duction might hi made as could ;trainee a considerable ,
armed free. But it might be said that we had no
saving ; and indeed he thought that, altogether, the 1
expences of the country might he so reduced, that they i right to offer our advice to Austria. Ile maintained
we had. Austria was our ally ; and was he to be told
could be all provided for without creating aim new loans. '
—(Hear, bear.)—With regard to other points, it would that if he saw his friend about to plunge into the cons-
not be necessary for him to say any thing at this time. ' mission of some atrocious crime, or to commit stone
As to what the Noble Lord had said, that there was no : cruel act, that lie was to withhold all advice until the
precedent of Parliamen, being prorogued without a I deed was dune'? Let England say to her ally Austria,
speech. from the Throne, be pointed out the prorogation a• I say that your interference is improper, and in no
which took • place in 1785, when smite very important '
propositions, relative to the trade with Ireland, were I one way will I give it any support or sanction." It
unfree consideration ; and if Parliament continued to I was for these reasons that hedisproved of the language
discuss any measure at the time of the late prorogation, I of the speech and of the address as equivocal. It gave
the business of Parliament could not have been entered' th •
1 ear Lordships no information on subjects the most'
upon without the greatest personal inconvenience to In- important, and which, fur aught that was said of them,
dividuals. At present he should forbear making re" .it might as well not have touched. As the speech and
marks on many other topics alluded to by the NOW .
Lord, until the proper time came fur discussing them.
t of course the address gave no information on the ita-
portant subject to which he had alluded, he would put
Lord HOLLAND said it was now his intention to i
enter on a wide field of discussion on the topics of the' a few questions to the Noble Earl (Liverpool), and he
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answer them. He would wish to be informed whether'
extraordinary that the Noble Earl opposite should not
and what his Noble Friend (Lord they) meant
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of affairs thire, 'or give any support or sanction
:soever loony such disturbance by any other power,
to principle of interfering is he; internal arrange.
is? His next question was whether the secret
le of the treaty of 11515, to which be ha"' h&c.
led, was communicated to his Majesty's Ministers;
if so, was it followed up by any remonstrance' on
part, aid if it was not then commtnivatedt . whota
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isters when they because ae in ii died with it, moon.
led (as he thought they were bound to do) against
treaty in which this country was conei.rned coo-
ing principles which we disavowed ? His nest
ition was whether within the last year the Newt
il had applied for the re-payment of the Austrian
1, or any part of it, or of the interest which we
ht to receive from Austria—this interest of which
Pitt once talked so confidently.
'he Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, in reply to tits
ale Baron, that the questions he had pot invoked
jects of such magnitude that he could not aunts
looter them without going into a detail which he
not prepared to do at that moment.
,one HOLLAND said that the question he had nu
ihe Noble Earl could not excite discussion at pre-
t. Ile would, however, put them in a shape when
y might be answered by a single " Ay" or IS No:,
The Earl of LIVERPOOL again observe,' tho pre.
it was not the moment to go into such details, but.
it be would be ready to meet the Noble Lord on the
eject on any futnre occasion, when he should think
'per to submit a motion respecting it.
Lord HOLLAND, after this refusal, wished the
oble Lord joy of belonging to an administration
IWe affairs (as we understood) were so complicated,
that the bead of it could nut giv:• ii:l autwor, aye et
, to a few plain questions.
Lord ELLENBOROI'eIi hoped the Noble Lord
mid have the courtesy to answer one question, that
ts, in what form of words hr would have this re.
inestrance put ? He (Lord Ellenharough) hsil ea-
rs:ood that the only effectual way to call an Emperor
account was by a General at the head of an army.
Lord HOLLAND re;dital, that we . ould easily show
an Emperor who calculated won our assistance that
was not likely to get such assistance, hat that, on )
ie contrary, we should in no manner whatever con-
ir with him. Besides this, if there hail been bat
se paragraph inserted in his Majesty's speech, is
lads he should be made to express his regret thu
sy of his allies had adopted such a course towards
spies us that which now was going on, such a pus.
rap). would hare set Austria thinking for six month
efore she acted.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH congratulated the Noble
esti upon holding an opinion that the moral chant,
•r of the country was so raised as that one word es.
ressed by the Government would be sufficient to is-
toter one of the greatest military powers in Europe.
Lord HOLLAND did not mean to pay that one wed
rom hip Majesty's Ministers would work such a clmp: . ‘1
nt with respect to Austria (as we understood) as :tt
Icing would be no miracle. ..1
The LORD CHANCELLOR could not help to
tasking that, supposing one of the Noble Baronsork
ad just addressed them, was Austria, and the otk
:togland, it would be difficult to prevent their inlet-
ring with each other.
Tut- ittession was now put, and the address was
tzreed to without a division.
A committee was then appointed to prepare it, ad
he House adjourned at a quarter to eight o'clock.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The Speaker entered the House at a quarter beton
two o'clock. At two o'rloek the Usher of the Blast
Rod summoned the House to the House of Peers, te
(rear the Speech from the Throne. At a quarter put
itvo the Speaker passed through the House, and id
not re-enter it until four o'clock.
The SPEAKER informed the House, that wand
to the 21th (leo. 111. chap. 26, he had issued new mitt •
fur the county of Roscommon, in the room of I.
French, Esq. deceased ; for St. Alban's, in the rent
of W. T. Robarts, Esq. deceased ; and Yarmouth, it
the Isle of Wight, in the room of T. H. Broadly:.
Esq. deceased. i
The following Oentlemen then took the °MINIM :.',
their seats:—Sir H. Wilson, Mr. T. Ellis, J. Krum '
Powell, Henry Baring, Esq. J. H. Lowther, Lord Ca• .1
hamptun, Sir J. Rice, and Sir P. Blake. 1
1
THE QUEEN.
Lord A. HAMILTON gave notice for Friday sll
motion relative to the omission of her Majesty's 15 4,
from the Liturgy.
Mr. WETHERELL said, that he intended to et .
a few words upon the motion of the Noble Lordto
Ire was about to move for certain papers which la
~
conceived materially necessary for the proper sek
standing of the question.
/Hie SPEAKER observed, that upon a notice i
motion there would be no discussion.
Mr. TIERNEY remarked, that he understood 4 "
Hon. Member (Mr. Wetherell) to say, that incase'
quenee of a certain motion which stood for frill*
he had something to propose to the House whichi.,
conceived necessary to a proper understanding 0(4; 1
motion. This he conceived the lion. Member ills,,
right to 010. .
_A,
11 Lord CASTLEREAOII said, it would be as wT"'
'Hots. Hentlenern were allowed to explain theirsot
meaning.--(A long's).
Lord FOLKESTONE conceived that it was col
1 petent to an Hon. Member to make any south.* 0
I pleased on the question.
Mr. BAKES said, it was unusual to ester se
lany discussion before the King's Speech was read
i taken into consideration. He did not say that it
I incompetent to any Member to do so, but it was
tcriarcrlunitustaPtaterelisa.mentary usage, uulesa sutler
The SPEAKER observed, that if the
Member would explain his object, he woald
if be had misnaderstood him. He soderstoodEll,
clearable Member intended to ofer tome
it appeared to him. would be acnctrary
upon the notice of the Nohle Lord
Ile that:
' forms of the House. It was imposes
oboarratioos aoccid be made lenAag to I
without. !riding on to a termination of estiONll,'
ie los obie"
stood, and was ready terxpiain *- r
(HaudtaL
Mr. WETHERELL said he had bar 1"1"' _
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