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KM the massacre at Manchester ever be forgotten,
h which unprotected women and children were
heslad down sad put to death, and rewards and cons-
issainliens conferred on the verpetrators of those
grimes? Captain Aytoun next alluded to the disre-
gard to justice in the case of the Qneen ; and son•
tended it was impossible for the country not to be
alarmed at such proceediags, even though tin: accused
lad beta a murderer, And yet they were now called
*a by those who thought so lightly of these stretches
of power, to express to Ministers an alarm for the
ditty of the constitution, when the constitution was
only threatenel by Ministers themselves !—(Hear,
hear.)--lie concluded by supporting the amendment
ter it was only by the change of measures which it
recommended that this country can again enjoy its

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former blessings.
Captain Arose having sat down, the cries of ques-
tion prevailed in the room for some time. The noble
proses at length rose to put the vote, when
Mr. STUART, younger of Dunearn, said, that being
so much indisposed as to be hardly able to attend the
meeting, nothing would have roused him to speak, out
to bear testimony to the gallantry of his Hon. Friend
(Col. Wpm's) who, though deserted by his friends,
his coneopilsitionists, bad, with the bravery character-
istic of his family, come forward and frankly declared
himself attached to the principles of the Revolution.--
(ebeen.)—ble must observe, once for ail, that it was
most singular that not one of the remaining requisi-
tionists had come forward to state the grounds on ac-
count of which they had called the county together.
It was for them to consider whether they were treating
the county with the respect to which it is entitled—
but most of all be alluded to the mover and seconder,
who had not, said one word more, the one than that he
presented, and the other that be seconded it.--(Hear,
bear.)—!lint he complained too of the letter of requi-
sition beitug sent about from the Vice Lieutenant, or
from the J,ord Lieutenant's officer, for signature to
such persons as his Lordship looked on as the most
loyal in the county--the select few.—(Hear, hear).—
This practice was most improper of sending round a
sheriff ()Meer, or some such person. a list of supposed
more loyal persons in the county. 'The requisition had
not been sent to himself for signature either on thisor
1-firmer occasions---if it had, he would have signed it,
or stated his reasons fur not doing so. And be would
ask, whether alien any public business was to be done
in the district, the requisitions were not always and
uniformly sent to him and others, to whom the present
requisition was not transmitted. But if the requisi-
tiolsts.uere silent : s' was also the gallant General
(sir John Oswald) whom he beheld in the meeting.
who the last time they bad met to vote a loyal address
so pathetically described the convocations on the sands
of Kirkaidy, the drilling and training, the banners
flying, so as to make the hair or many well dis-
posed men ia the room stand on end.—(Cheers.)
--These things were new at an ea, and he
would • ask, whether there ever was a more
peaceftil or quiet county than that in which
he now addressed them—(Hear, bear, bear,)---This
s. as the tint consideration for such a meeting as this,
and then he would ask what was the situatiou of the
cottutry *He knew of the existence of nothing like
diaaffection, but that great discontent existed, and
ninth cause for it, he was well aware. The expressions
of sympathy which the oppressive measures pursued
towards the Queen had excited from the people was
now the pretext for charging the people with
disaffection, but, in truth, it had exhibited their
character in the most estimable point of view.—(Hear,
bear;)---Thby had not presumed, neither had be, to
give any opinion on her guilt or innooeuce,—(Hear);
—bift,they rejoiced in the triumph of injustice over
oppfessiou. Another great and glowing dis-
content in this country, and especially in the
west of Scotland, arises from the avowed em-
ploftnent of hired spies by the government to an ex-
tent quite unprecedented in a free country. He would
cot Frilarge upon this subject ; but he must remark,
that the escape of Franklin, against whom a true bill
for high treason had been found, by wens of the
government police, was most suspicious, and had made
a dbep impression on the people. He did not mean to
sty !tat he was employed by members of the govern-
ment, but those persons bad agents, on whom hints
weienot lost ; and he considered the whole circuui-
stances respecting Franklin's employment as loudly
cal'iing fin explanation. He saw the Solicitor-General
in Vitt room, and he would ask, whether the Crown
Lawyers in this country could even now prove, that
the:treasonable placard which appeared at Glasgow
1.4 t April, and which hail led to the forfeiture of their
liirZs to the laws of their country, and to the separation
of many more persons fres) their families and homes,
proliably for ever, was not written by Franklin.
It- was well known to be of English manufacture.
'it matter could not be too thoroughly inves-
tigated, for he believed- on high authority, that
fot ought he knew, -Franklin might be the author
or:frit platted. - h wee' :mai. sot the tenstilw.
tion`and the established religion of the country were
in danger, but by whom were they pat is peril, but
in kitachment to the eowstitatiou mean its breeches—
the King as the trustee fins the good of the people.
and to the other institutions, as the safeguards against
tea encroachments of prerogative.. More had been
deice tu pull cow b the Monarchy by bringing the per-
jinni character of the Sovereign in question during
tae ISM six months than had ever been done by any
sdnitnistmtion that ever existed in this country.—
They brought (erased a measure in which the charac.
tees of the Koyal Family became the subject of discns-
&ion, and they were obliged to withdraw the most im-
portant part of iWtilibdivorce, because it was contrary
to the ecclesiastical law 'of the country. As to religion,
tslo would'illerty dist it thiscountry the higher classes
Wee udt Old 411061(11•110114 in. their attendance on the
%vise Mditessetie: Ldek intik* country church on a
glittwist afters** • sad. pas will geneially Sod the
Betts u( theltreltdreftepty. while those of the farmers.
their.ifektsbts aid rlepesrlmo- see occupied--bet who
inn salbtrinisbas -the eateblisheil religion both
"Is this eettaletatrl MrieglssdA, in Ragland
se 1111•BisibetSWfair malst -iimakni. Leek
to the Archbishop of Canterbury. wise 'refit-al halal-
* belief to a test is St. Matthew. because W wai sot
is be Stasi is the Wit words K St. lake and St.
Jailis.—ialesit. beer !)—look to ilia tisitep of Las-
ti!", who &Amid the King milt de se moral

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wrong, so that he might commit mimicry intent,
Ate. aad be amenable to nu law.—(Hear, hear, bear!)
Look in our men country to the leading clergymen 4,
the church in the metropolis, who, forgetting that the
leading doctrine of the Christian Religion, is chortle
to all men, have signed an address .to the Theo*
charging the opposition parry, a set of men the woo'
honourable, able. and high principled that ever ea-
isted in this or any county, with associating with
traitors, to further their purposes of blind ambition."
Here is the address if any gentleman wishes to see it.
—(Hear, hear.)—He trusted the people would be more
charitable than those clergymen, but that their prayer
to Heaven fo.. them ....stolid be, that they might be
turned from the error of their way and the inequity
of their paths. He had but one observation inure to
offer; hut it was one of .deep importance, that address
to the Crown from close corporations and counties had
most abounded when the government was most de-
spotic. This was well known to all conversant with
the history of this country. In the reign of Charles
11. servile addresses were most of all numerous, when
he prorogued his Parliament, and told them before-
head not to discuss the propriety of his doing so;
and most of all, after he dissolved the Parliament at
Oxford, and told them be would never call another.
Then, [when the Government became despotic, ad-
dresses, flnived from all quartets. And yet, as the
most celebrated Statesman of the last age justly ob-
served, this reign wee the era of good laws and had.
government. The Habeas Corpus Act, the Triennial
Parliament Bill, &c. were passed in this, the most
despotic reign with which the cootitry was ever
cursed. He conjured the meeting not to foilow the
example set in such times, hut to address his blajasty
in the language of truth, to beseech him to adopt a
conciliating line of measures, and to save the country
from revolution, to which the measures of the minis-
ters are headlong cat eying u...—(Cheers.)—And even
though there should be no means of effecting a change
of measures but by obtaining a change of men, be
entreated them not to adopt the maxim of their wor-
thy Sheriff, •• He will turn out one set of men
to make room for another, ' but to peraevere•—(Loud
applause and cheer.,)
Sir Jot's; Oswat.o, having been called upon, and
personally marked out, in the course of this debate,
by gentlemen who appeared to think they had mono-
polised all the talents of the country—they having
read The Black Dieu The Scotsman—and
having amassed so much wisdom, he could nut resist
the opportunity ut addressing a few words to them.
He was always prepared to defend the principles he
asserted, yet he depricated the attempted innovation
of bringing down the meetings of country gentlemen
to the standard of a debating forum. But ivhen so ur-
gently called upon, it may be as cell if the invitatio•
were occasionally accepted, if it were only to convince
the talents, that are as little capable of intimidating
as of engaging the minds of those who are the friends
of the present Administration. He would not pre-
same to compare, though as they appear to challenge
it, it might be wortn while briefly to contrast the,
short administration of the Talents with that of the
present government. He had served under the Talents,
and a most miserable set of masters be found them.
He saw the wretched army they seat isle Egypt I be
recollected the ill equipped fleet they sent eo Coasts*
tinople. But more then all, he had aim largottas
their treatment of the Queen. By their secret tribs-
nal, a conrt of enquiry he could have called it, after
his professional vocalsalary, but by a Court of inquiry
the appeals of the accused are heard, and exculpatory
proof received, before the seeret tribunal of the Ta-
lents this illustrious lady was tried without being once
heard in her own defence ; by their secret tribunal she
was banished from court. and afterwards restored with
an admonition, than which he could not conceive any
thing more louniliating to her dignity and honour,
unless it be thelibelluus awl slanderous addrerses with
which her Majesty is from time to time insulted. The
reign of the Talents fortunately lasted but eight
months, during which the parall.,l if it be any at all,
was certainly very much to the advantaao of the pre-
sent Government. Sir John cuncluded by complain-
ing of the popular clam .ur which had lately been
excited against the present Administration.
The Earl of KOZILYN felt quite sure, that the Gen-
tlemen who listened to the last speech must be satis-
fied, that when the gallant officer was challenged to
come forward. he was done a kindness and no great
hardship: and they must sonclude, not from the ta-
lents, but from the oratorical mad declamatory tone
and taunting which the gall tat officer displayed, that
he required but little to ind ice him to come forward.
The Gentlemen who proposed the measure in question.
were bound to assign s me rational cause for the pre-
sent address. If it was necessary to pronounce a de-
claration to support the con.oitution, what occasion
was there to call de. county together for that pur-
pose ? Why nut effectually proclaim their intention
to support the constitution every market day at Cs-
par, when a number of people are assembled ? (Lanes-
ter.) From stating any marked necessity doe **mom
sure they had forborne. Ile et gretted to perceive an
attempt by inch addresses a• the: to support ministers
—to comidne and un,te and even to identify
them with the King. His ; .....ie!tipafterwerds replied
to the opinion of the S:Jllan: General (Sir J. Oswald)
on the comparative merit: of the two administrations,
(Whig and Tory.) The gAllant General's represestae
tion, however, happened to he any thing but like the
true account of the case. he statements regarding
the Queen were made by authority of her liesband
ti
that administration so disrespectfully alluded to by
the gallant General, and tile charges consisted not
merely of misconduct, het of having endangered the
succession to the throne (;tea- heitt, bear); by hav-
ing endeavoured to impose on it a spurious issue.
It was an inquiry by four of his Majesty's select-
ed Minieters, with a view to inform the King whether
there existed any grounds for further proceedings.
This Committee received affidavits in exculpation, one
from a principal accused in the conspiracy, and not
evidence on one 'side only—(Hear, bear)--but mob
of her Majesty's exculpatory proof.--„(Hear, henr).,
The late proceedings of his present Majesty's Ital.
sters, be humbly conceived, were of a very diffeima
character. They bad their previous court of inglieg.
the Milan Commission, hat what evidence of the Qieee
was examined by them ?--(Hoat, bear. bear). AM
had pee a little out of the
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adjusting the companies of the gallant Oenerdl. He
had stow totals* more directly to the question before
the meeting. He thought they had a right to be told
that the grounds of that necessity for the present ad-
dress which bad been spoken of so repeatedly by "OD-
dolmen on the other side. His Lordship proceeded to
defend the people from the slander they had incurred
by presenting addresses to her Majesty. Those ad-
dresses proceeded set from the lowet.orders of the
people, and were not mere clamour as they had been
interpreted to be by some gentlemen, but the sore-
! sisted and irresistible voice of the country, pronounc-
ing its condemnation, in the first place, on the pro-1
ceedings against her Majesty, and afterwards on the
evidence. He submitted that it was the expression of
all. except a few of the higher order, who thought
that the friend% of the present (government were the
I only friends of the constitution. His Lordship, after
other remarks, for which our limits will not allow
space, concluded amid the loud plaudits and cheers of
the meeting.
The SOLICITOR-GLICIRAL rose to allude to • state-
ment of a Learned Gentleman who had accused a per-
son of the name of Franklin alias Fletcher with

writing
Air. S/VAIIT intrrrnpted the Solicitor-General and
said be had never stated that Franklin was the author
of the placard in question. but that it could not be
shown that he was not, and it was allowed he had
truaeonabla placards, for a Grand Jury had so

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. lie ffoltcuroa-Gimanat observed, that this expla-
nation lad left a very different impression on his mind
from the former statement of the Learned Oentleman ;
anAbe proceeded to comment on the impropriety of
giving currency to statements that were subject to
misconstruction. He posisively denied having enter-
tained any suspicion that Franklin was the author of
the placard alluded to.
Mr. STUART in explanation said, that he had never
accused those entrusted with the criminal administra-
tion of justice in Scotland, with employing spies. He
accused ministers of employing them, but he gave
great credit to the . Lord Advocate for his firm and
temperate administration of justice in this country.
Mr. FlOtlit%4ON of Rsith, then addressed the meet-
ing ably in support of the amendment.
Captain WESITISS, M.P. declared his approbation of
the original address, and on a division, as we stated
yesterday, the address was carried by a majority of
14161*

LISKE.IIW MEETING.

In consequence of a requisition got up through the
agency of the curate of the parish church, and which
was signed by sixteen persous, only ten of whom ap-
peared at the meeting, the Mayor called a meeting of
the Corporation and the Inhabitants, to prepare a
loval Address to his Majesty, for the 19th instant.
On that day a number of the Corporate body, and a
great concourse of the inhabitants attended at the
Town-hall. The 111a)or was called to the chair, and
*pencil the business by reading the requisition. Im-
dtetliately Mr. Edward ()each came forward and said,
that any address founded on the requisition just
read, would not be the address of the Inhabi-
tants of Liskcard, nine-tenths of whom would neither
sign nor countenance web a thing. An address too
his Majesty they considered at the present moo
inexpedient and uncalled fort as such a measure
would only tend to excite anew those dissentious
which he had hoped never again to witness in the
town. Under the influence of the spirit of peace, those
who disapproved of the proceedings against the Queen
abstained from addressing her Majesty ; but it now ap-
peared that those very men whose particular duty it
was to preserve the peace of the town, were the first to
throw the apple of discord amongst the inhabitants ; be
should sherefore move.-1t being supposed that the
speaker was about to move an adjournment, one of the
Aldermen, who holds a place under Ooverntuent in-
terrupted him, and because clamorous for the reading
of the address, which the Rev. Mr. Hoblyn produced,
and was allowed to read. '1 his address, which expressed
the usual abhorrence of " the seditious and blasphemous
efforts of an audacious and crafty faction, to overturn
the Constitution in Church and State; and a determi-
nation to support the Throne and the integrity of our
venerable Constitution in Church and State." (thereby
meaning the Borough system) was seconded by Mr.
Olubh, an attorney, who said, that as it contained no
direct allusion to the Queen or the conduct of Minis-
ters, be hoped it would be carried. Mr. (leach replied
that it mattered nothing whether the address contained
any direct allusion to her Majesty or the Ministers of
the Crown, it was evidently intended to convey au
approval of the conduct of Ministers ; of the black,
infamous, and disgraceful proceedings against the
Queen, awl to cast dust in the King's eyes, to prevent
his discovering the misery in which the measure of
Ministers had involved the country. Every man there
fore, who signed such an address, recorded himself the
Anvils of the Queen, the approver of her persecntors...
and covered himself with infamy and disgrace. nate
were persons who arrogated to themselves the loyalty
of the toiletry ; but be would tell these individually
that he was as sincere a friend to the King as any mass
in his dominions; and he thought be could not shovel
his attachment to his Majesty better than by defend-
log his r.yal consort against her, and of course, his
enensies.--This address was followed by loud cheering.
Mr. Jun LANIMORD said, that as the Corporate
Body were resolved to have an address, he was pre-
pared with one, which be conceived was more likely
to be acceptable to the meeting than the one they had
heard read, and which he should move as an amend-
ment. The Mayor now extended his arm to take this
address, but he :vas immediately assailed by the Al-
dermen ; one cried " don't touch it ;" another held
his arm, and others laid boW on his coat and pulled
him back.-31r. Langfoill then said, he should read
the address himself, which he did, notwithstanding
the vociferations of one of the Aldermen, who inces-
santly cried "order!"—" silence '." though •
were noisy bat himself. The address and
proposed by Mr. Langford was seneaded, sad all MI
confusion among the Alders..., who dant net
tars to put either their ONO Midriff or the asneninent.
At length, Mr. Walter Langford said, distils/kw
than keep dim there all dap be 'said put the
ties tar then; what lit did i whoa it was