The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-05-23 00:00:00

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110 USE OF 1.0111)S, mAy 22.
The Irish Prol r,*riaitintrits: !till paused Off/M.:II a Commit-
tee, with sonic amendments moved by (ht. Arrnt.isaop of Cashel.
Report nn Siiutity.
The He% .nt's anal Bid, ar.d some teSer 11;11s. were brought
op from the Common, by Al'. Manning, Mr. Lamington,
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'.'more, 31111 irtOet' Members, and 'r .41 a hist time.
Mr. Hill, from .he Treasury, pre,eated an Act:twat of the
lilt of I:,e Proven v Inv, for the years endiii4 the sth Jan.
ISIO. Ist t, and Isl.2.—Ordered to lie on tln•
A lon,- discussion to sk place upon the Repro: of a Welch In-
t-la• e,. bill, to which Earl Stanhope, made !q.v.:7:A rol'..jections.—
II is inorikaip's ivnenilia Ins were negatived on three divisions,
and the Report was agreed to.
TENANTRY V.`% I) PEASANTRY OF IRELAND.
Fad ST NIIO PE (the !loose not sitting next Friday) pro-
posetto posi.pone the commitment of his Bill relative to the
Teutin•ry had Peasantry of Ireland tint Nlond:q se'uoight, hut
on the :suggestion of fire Duke of Ncrltilk, that taue was a grand
cerenmay to take idle:. on that day (the Installation of the
Knights of tV Bath his Lordship proposed Wednesllav se'nnight;
and the Order for sunimoning the Lords for Friday next was
discharged, and renewed for Wednesday st'imight.—Adjourned
till Monday.

TIOUSF, OF COMMONS.
On Use motion for the third reading of the Cambridge and
Eishap Stortroal Canal Bill,
Mr. C. ADAMS mod that it be real a ;bird time this day
BIN months.
On t.iis<pestion, after some conversation, the House divided.
Fur the poqi,:onement, ';:t4—Agninst. it, °3.—Majority in fa-
* soar of the Hi,l, 65. T.te Bill was then read a third time and

ADDRESS TO THE PRINCE REGENT.
Mr. STUART OitT LEY appeared at the 'kir, and stated,
that in pumance of the Order oldie House' he and Lord Mil-
ton. the Sec.o :4 the Niiitioa, had waited oti the Prince He-
at day, and had communicated to him the Address of Coe
noose of Ycsievlay, to which his Riyal Highness had been
plnsed to return tins most gra,imis anivcr:--" I shall take into
my serious :Led immediatecunsideration the Address of the House
of Commons."
CORRi: SPON HENCE BETWEEN SIR JAMES CRAIG
AND HENRY.
Mr. WHITBREAD w ished to know, whether it was the fixed
determination of the Noble Lord opposite (Castlereagh) to re-
sist the Motion of which he had given notice for the production
of the Correspoudeuce between Sir James Craig atm Henry, or
nut ?
Lord CA44II.EREAGII ;aid, it sarely would be `ns wish to

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resist its production.
ORDERS IN COUNCIL, AND BERLIN AND MILAN
DECREES.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, perceiving a Bight lion.
Gentleman, the President of the Board of Trade,
in his place, he rose to make a motion which he pre-
sumed would not he opposed. lie begged leave at
the same time to put a question to a Noble Lord op-
posite, on a point which he conceived to be of pri-
mary twcessity, and to which he presumed the Noble
Lord would not refuse on answer, for the satisfac-
tion of that House and of the country A circum-
stance had lately transpired, affecting in a material
degree, in the of many, the Declara-
tion published about six or eight weeks ago by this
Government, in which it is stated that the Orders in
Council shall be understood to be ipso facto annulled,
as soon as an official communication shall have been
received of the unqualified and unconditional repeal
of the Berlin and Milan Decrees. After some weeks
had elapsed, in a manner, he confessed, unintelligi-
ble to him who was unacquainted with the diplomacy
of the French Court, a Decree had made kis appear-
ance, of a pretty old date, which, indeed, but for
its date, might seem to be an answer 'to that very
Declaration of this Government. It must seem, in-
deed, surprising how completely they had anticipated
the terms of that Declaration. This Decree, how-
ever, dated in April, 1811, did contain a revocation
of the Berlin and Milan Decrees; and our Declara-
tion did else bear, that our ()triers in Council were'
to be discontinued from the period of the repeal of
the Jilerliti and Milan Decrees. The latter did, no I
doubt, contemplate a subsequent repeal; but still
this was clearly within the spirit, though not within!
the words of the Declaration, and it would only
require a Gazette Proclathation, to set things to
rights. It was clearly ° not au object of considers,.
tion, when the Berlin and Milan Decrees were re-
voked, hut only that an official, unqualified, and
unconditional revocation of them should take place.
Then the next question was, whether the Decree,
which was stated to have been lately communicated
to this Government, was such an unqualified and un-
couditiotial repeal of the enemy's Decrees as made
our Declaration attach to the effect of repealing our
Orders in Council ?—[llear, hear! from the Minis-
terial side.]-Was he to understand, then, that it
did not so attach ? The repeal of the French Decrees,
it appeared, was confined to America; was this,
however, to he held as sufficient to prevent our De-
claration from taking effect? This was what he wish-
ed to know from the Noble Lord:—lle heartily
wished the Noble Lord's answer might he such as the
House and the country wished :—That was, that it
might import compliance with the expectation now
exdressed by him ; but, if this should not fortunately
be the case, still there was a necessity for some fur-
ther step being taken on the part of the Government
of this country. lie meant that a publication of the
annulment of those Orders in Council would become
necessary.. if this was not done, then must every ;
individual case come into a Prize Court, or into a ;
Court of Law, and the parties be exposed to a harass-
ing
and expensive litigation. It was with the view I
of entreating to take this into consideration, and to
rectify the Declaration, that he now brought the sub- I
ject under consideration. With this view he begged
to ask of the Noble Lord; Ist, If to his conception I
of the French Decree, the date was of consequence?
2dly, If he agreed that this act of the French Go-1
vet-unseat was'esteemed enough, so as to operate as
a repeal of our Orders in Council ? 3dly, If bath of
these iMints were at an end, then he begged to sag-
° gest that it should not be left to speculation wiat
the nature of the Declaration was meant to be ; but
that an explanation should be published on that sub- I
. ject. Mt. B. concluded by moving for. an Account
of the expence of Clothing for the Army/ and Ma.
rifles for the ten years, ending Jan. 5, 1812, distin-
gaits ring each yehr.
Mr. ROSE had no objection to the Motion.
lard CASTLEFLEAGII complained, that the
Han. and Learned Gentleman had brought forward
his questions rather in an augmentative sort of shape.
fifth, I no difficulty, however, in stating, what was
his opinion as to each. It was no doubt true, that
been communicated to the Government of
y, within these two days, a Decree of the
Yernment to the effect stated by the Hon.,
.rued Gentleman, dated 15 months ago. The
at of this countrpreteived this communi-.
surprise; because they knew that the
Government had applied for more 'explicit
on this head to the French Government,

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and, till lately, when the Di;cree in question was for the continuance of the Orders in Council, and
produced, had not received ally
satisfactory essur- being answered in the negative, ho gave notice that
:ewes. The Hon. anti Learned Gentleman had pro- he should move for the attendance of several.
fused not to be acquainted with French Diplomacy, Mr. MARRYATT said, that the ship-ownees of
of which, there could not be ti doubt, the Decree in Landon who had petitioned the House would be ex-
estion wattlie offspriei; now first
,:seen after amined.
had been passed,"asits Idate bore,' 15 months, and The 'Order of the Day was then read, and the
after the priimnlgation 'of {he Declaration ..by this. Mese resolved itself into the Committee on the Or-
country. The Decree in question, however, was 1 ders in Council, and Mr. Aspinal was called in and
not an iniceeditional repeal of the French Decrees, I examined. .
but was pointedly confined to America. Now,
if
the Honourable and Learned Gentleman asked
him, if such a Decree, so extraordinary and unique
in its kind, satisfied him that we ought to re-
peal our Orders in Council, he had no hesita-
tion in saving, that, in his opinion, such a De-
cree in no degree satisfied his Majesty's Declaration,
'which was framed not to apply to one nation as to
whom, for a hostile and sinister purpose, the French
Government might repeal their Decrees, but only
in the event of a general 'and unconditional repeal
of those Decrees. The Decree now alluded to, only
went to a partial and conditional repeal of the Ber-
lin and Milan Decrees, and now wade its appear-
ance under circumstances the most disgraceful to the
i Government whence it proceeded; and if any one
i act could convince. America of fraud having been
l• practised by France, both against this country and
against America, he (Lord Castlereagh) should con-
ceive this curious and pretended document would
! hive that effect, which was now brought forward
with Ale expectation of seducing this country into a
repeal of her Orders in Council. As• to the in-
strument itself, however, it did not satisfy the
! terms of the Declaration issued by the Govern-
I ment of this country. If what he (Lord Castlereagh)
had stated on this subject, however, was not satis-
! factory,, the Declaration gave to any person entar,,.
taining a contrary opinion their remedy- at law.
Mr. BROUGHAM begged to be understood atil
only repeating what he had orignally meant to ex-,
press, that if there %as not a clerical error in the
date of the document in question, it must -be consi-
dered as one of those acts which are most unworthy
iof a Great Nation. As to the condition, however,
on which the Declaration bore that the Orders in
iCouncil were to be repealed, he once more implored
that it might be reconsidered, and submitted, that
though not in the words, yet in the spirit of their
Declaration, the Government of this country were
now warranted in repealing the Orders in Council as
to America. The French Decrees boing repealed' as
to the Americans, this was, as to them, the same as
if there was a repeal of those Decrees, generally.
Mr. ROSE said a few words. •
Mr. STEPHEN disapproved of the premature
manner in which the matter had been brought for.l
ward. The paper alluded to seemed to hits to be
singularly disgraceful to the Government by whom it
was issued ' • but he was surprised that his Honour.
able and Learned Friend should, in the present state
of affairs, have been so anxious to draw from his
Majesty's present Ministers, their opinions on the
subject of the effect had by that paper on the Declara-
tion by this country. Did he do so, from an im- '
pression that those measures which he (Mr. Brougham)
so strenuously supported, would not be so much in
favour as he could wish with that Government which
was yet unborn ?
Mr. BARING regretted, that the Noble • Lord
(Castlereagh) should have expressed any decided
opinion on so important a point as the policy of con-
tinuing the Orders in Council, so far as America was
concerned, pending the evidence now in the course
of proceeding at the Bar of that House, and before
there had been time for weighing the importance of
that evidence in all its bearings.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he had given no
opinion as to the policy of continuing the Orders
iu Council, as far as regarded America. He had
only answered some questions put to him on matters
of fact.
Mr. BARING explained.
When the motion was put and agreed to.
Mr. BROUGHAM also moved for an Account of
the Expence of Swords and Bayonets for the Navy
and Army, for the ten years ending sth Jan. 1812,
distinguishing each year.—Ordered.
Mr. MARTIN, on the suggestion of Lord Cas-
tlereagh. postponed the Committees on the Registrar
of the Admiralty's Bill, and on the Exchequer Re-
membrancer's Bill, till Friday next.
SUPPLY.
Lord CASTLEREAGH felt that there might seem
to be an impropriety in calling on the Ilouse to vote
away public money in the absence of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer. But as to a grant, the principle
of which had been already assented to by the Ilouse,
he meant the grant to the children of Mr. Perceval,
which had been unanimously approved of by the
House, he thought there could be no diffi:culty. He
should move, therefore, that the Houseelo go into a
Committee of Supply, for the purpose of votingthat
special grant only.
The House accordingly went into a Committee of
Supply.
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved that the House at
its rising should adjourn until Monday.
Mr. BROUGHAM called the attention of the
House to the inconvenience that would result to the
Country, bat more particularly to the witnesses, by
any unnecessary delay. He wished that the House
should sit to-morrow, that the examinations on the
subject of the Orders in Council might be continued.
Mr. STEPHEN replied, that the Honour-
able Member had no right to expect that the conve-
nience of Members should lie sacrificed; he having
occupied one whole day in the examination of wit.
nesses from Spitalfields, whose attendatice could
have been procured at any time.; .
After a few words frotn Mr. Rose and Lord Cas-1
tlertagh, the latter. withdrew his .'notion, and 4he
question of the Adjournment of the House watt post-
poned.
A Committee to arilange and. digest the Iligfiwar
Reports. was appointed, on the motion of Mr. D.
GIDDY.
After some unimportant conversation, an Account
was ordered to be laid before the House of the num-
ber of Crates of Earthenware sent to Liverpool' from
the Potteries of Staffordshire for the years 1803 and
1811.
Mr. BARING enquired if it were the intentien,
of the other side of the House to call any of the ahip-
owners of Sunderland or Shields, who had petitioned

LIST of Ike MAJORITY and MINORITY

ON MR. STUART WORTLEY'S MOTION FOR AN ADDRESS TO THE
PRINCE REGENT, TO FORE AN EFFICIENT ADMINISTRATION.

MAJORITY.
Abercrombie, Ho. J.Grattan, Rt. Ho. H. Ossulston, Lord
Adair, R. Greenough, G. B. Parnell, 11.
Agar, E. F. Grenfell, P. Perin, li.
Anstruther, Sir J. Grosvenor, Gen. Pelham, lion. C.
Antonie, W. I. Hamilton, Lord A. Pelham, lion. G.
Althorpe, Vise. Harvey, E. Piggott, Sir A.
Bagenal, W. Hibbert, O. Prendergast, M.
Barham, J. F. Hippisley, Sir J. C. Pochin, C.
Baring. A. Horner, F. Pollingtoo, Vise.
Bess icke, C. Howard, H. Ponsonby, Rt. Hon.
Bennett, Hon. H. Howard, Hon. W. George
Biddulph, R. M. Howortb, H. Ponsonby, Hen. G.
Binning, Lord Hughes, W. L. Ponsonby, Hon. F.
Blachford, B. P. Huskisson, W. Pouthien, J. de
, Bourne, W. S. Hussey, T. Power, R.
Bouverie, lion. B. Hutchinson, Hon. C.Poyntz, W. S.
Brand, Hon. T. Jackson, J. Prittie, Hun. F.
Browne, A. Jacob, W. Pym, E.
Buller, -Sir E. Jekyll, Jos. Quin, Hon. W.
Burdett, Sir F. Knight, R. Ridley, Sir M.
Burrell, Hon: R. D.Knuic, Hon. T. Romilly, Sir S.
Buske, W. Lamb, Hon. W. Saville. A.
Calcraft, J. Lambton, R. J. Sebright, Sir I.
Canning, Milton. G.Langton, W. G. Sharpe, R.
Canning, G. , Latouche, R. Shipley, W.
Cavendish, Lord G. Leach, J. Sinclair, G.
Cavendish, 11. Leigh, R. H. Smith, G.
Chaloner, R. Lemon, Sir W. Smith, J. .
Cockerel!, Sir C. Lemon, J. Smith, A.
Cocks, J. Lemon, C. Smith, W.
Coke, T. W. Lester, B. L. Somerville, Sir M.
Coke, E. Lloyd, J. M. Staniforth, J.
Colborne, R. W. K. Lloyd, Sir E. Stanley, Lord
Combe, H. C. Lyttleton, Hon. H. Stewart, J.
Cotes, J. Macdonald, James swan, H.
Cuthbert, J. R. Madocks, W. A. Talbot, R. W.
Daly, Rt. Hon, D. B.Mariin, H. Tarleton, B.
Dent, .1. Martin, ti. Tavistpck, Marq, of
Dickinson, W. Mathew, Hon. M. Taylor, W.
Dillon, lion. H. A. Moult, lion. W. Taylor, M. A.
Drummond, H. Meade, Hon. J. Templeton, N.
Duncannon, Vise. Mezborough, EarlofTemple, Earl
Dundas, Hon. L. Mildmay, Sir H. Tierney, Rt. lion. G.
Eden, Hon. G. Miller, Sir T. Tighe, W.
" Ellis, C. R. Milton, Viscount Tracy, C. H.
Ferguson, R. C. Montgomery, Sir H. Tremayne, J. H.
Fitzgerald, Rt. 11. M. Moore. P. Trench. F.
. Fitzgerald, Lord H. Houck,, Sir C. Vanderheyden, D.
Fitzpatrick,Rt H.R.Morpetb, Viscount Vernon, G. G. V.
' Fitzroy, Lord W. hltistyn' Sir T. Walpole, Hon. G.
Foley, J. Myers. T. Ward, Hon. T. W.
Folkes, Sir M. Neville, Hon. R. Warrender, Sir O. •
Folkestone, VisconntNewport,Right Hon. Wharton, T.
Forbes, Viscount Sir J. Whitbread, S. •
Frankland, W. North, D. Williams, Sir R.
Freemantle, W. 11. Northey, W. Wortley, J. A. S. •
Giles, D. Nugent, Lord Wynne, Sir W. W;
Gordon, W. O'Hara, C. • Wynne, C. W.
Gower, Earl Ord, W. Wrottesley, H.
Gower, Lord G. L. Osborne, Lord F. .

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