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a motion to the effect that the thanks of the t
given to Mr. Herbert, and the other gentlemen vi
the committee_ for shipping seamen, for their e

promot

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nied with an eulogium on t
This motio

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).voted to the committee, and to th

miation

Lord Sandon was again named as patror
trons, Sir 3. Walmsley, Jno. Cropper, Es,
Douglas. The names of a committee of twenty-c
men were appended. The motion was carried nem
Mr. FORMBY moved a vote of thanks to Mr. Mc

,q., and Sir Howard
entle-

cretary of the association and master of t
highly complimentary to that gentleman.
Mr. Moss returned thanks in a brief bt

address, at the conclusion of which he app,.._
bers in behalf of the Mariners' Society, the funds of which
were most flourishing, and of which they might readily take
advantage for their families against casualties; and in hehßie
of the " Shipwrecked Seamen and Fishermen's Society
strong in funds, to be recommended to their crews.
what was stated, both societies hold out extraordinary
.antages—the one to captains and the other to seamen ; but
e have_not space to enter into their merits in our present

led to t

publication.
The than

ks of the meeting were then cordially
hairman, and the members dispersed.

TO THE EDIT(

ldeavoursto expose and put the public on

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and in this all support anti
u. I observe the cabal are
ou "to shut up shop.." I
irn you, as these persons professionally carry horsewhips,
you run some risk in invading such a nest of hornets. But
set the herd at defiance, and persevere in writing them down.
and showing them up, trusting to the agis which public opi-
nio❑ will throw over you.

tain quarter is most prais,

encouragement should be give
agitating with a view to fore

As bragadocias and bullies, always cowards, are ever vaunt-
ing their courage and bravery, so swindlers, gamblers, et " id
ovine genus;" are ever cracking of their honour, honesty, and
gentility forsooth ; and indeed if overreaching, low cunning,
and tricking of every description be honourable, then are the
persons alluded to all honourable men, and quite gentlemen !
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EDITOR OF THE LIVERPO(
-When Mr. R. V. Yates placed

TO TII

council paper, alleging charges against the agents of the
system of education now happily adopted in the Corporation
Schools, I thought that he and all who supported him were
at least premature in their demand for inquiry. I conceived,
in the next place, that Mr. Yates was acting not so much

from personal conviction, as under the influence, if not the
advice, of a gentleman who affects, in his public communi-
cations on the subject, to be a disciple of Socrates. Lastly,
I imagined that the motion was one of the resources of fac-
tion, concocted in insincerity, and intended, whichever way
it ended, to serve the purpose of faction. On these grounds
I considered that the proposition ought to be rejected. A.
little more mature consideration, however, has materially
modified my opinion ; and, without assigning motives or al-
leging suspicion, I now think that the charges advanced by
Mr. Yates ought to be deliberately investigated, and the evi-
denee'of'ALL the witnesses, in the form of question and an-
swer, laid upon the council table.
Among the many considerations which have had weight
with me in forming this opinion, there are two which, to my
understanding, appear conclusive. The first is justice to the
public; and the second is the existing necessity for putting
an end to what has really become a vexata qucestio.
The first of these considerations is, in truth, the most im-
portant to the council; and it being in the nature of an ab-
stract proposition or self-evident truth, it is not likely to be
seriously contested in argument. I shall therefore content
myself with observing, that it is not sufficient to say with
Mr. Birkett, that a decisive majority of conservatives having
been sent to compose the council, all the acts of the majority
are necessarily just towards the public. As to principles,
no doubt Mr. Birkett is right ; but in the practical applica-
tion of all principles, wrong may be committed without the
veracity, so to speak, of the principle itself being impeached.
Let Mr. Birkett take an illustration of my meaning from
himself. In social and commercial iife he is a man of honour
and integrity. No person who has any knowledge of society
in Liverpool would think of doubting either. Honour and
integrity constitute his principle of action towards all the
world ; but suppose artifice and misrepresentation cause him
to prosecute an innocent man—what then ? Why, even then,
nobody questions the uprightness of his intentions. but every-
body must regret that his acts have, more or less, produced
injustice. In like manner,, the Education Committee—
strong in the conviction that their motives are pure, and
their principles of action founded on the very highest of all
duty—perhaps forget that what is right in the aggregate may
include something wrong in detail. The habits of mankind
are but a consolidation of their thoughts; but although, hu-
manly speaking, their habits may be right, who will venture
to defend all their thoughts ? Therefore, with all due defe-
rence to the opinion of Mr. Birkett, I am bound to say that,
without having any such intention, the Education Committee
may, in some way or other, by their agents, whether inferior
or superior I care not, have done injustice. Mr. Yates, on
the part of those whom he represents, affirms that they have ;
and a minority—not to be despised because they differ from
the opinions held by the majority—believe him. The coun-
cil is a legislative, not a partisan assembly; and on these
several grounds 1 venture, in opposition to my first opinion,
to declare my conviction that they will fail in their duty to
the public if they refuse to institute a full and an impartial
inquiry into all the allegations of Mr. Yates which involve
the sacred principle of justice.
The other ground on which I
is the opportunity it will afford of setting the qu

ommend an investigation

rest. I most conscientiously believe, that nothing but a
solemn act of the council, founded upon a deliberate, impar-
tial, and complete inquiry into all specific charges that can
be advanced against the mode of working the system, or the
system itself, (for, in order to obtain rest from future agita-
tion, I would even enlarge Mr. Yates's motion), will have
that desired effect. Nothing of the kind has yet been pro-
posed, yet there is nothing that appears so promis
conciliation and peace ; and when once a decision It
so made by the council, in its combined legislativ
late, and judicial character, let the responsibility
rest upon those only who have the indecency to
The time that the education disc

become a very serious,

in ost an ntol
_ ,

members of the council. The frequent displays
feeling by which they have been marked more than any
discussions, are to be regretted by all who take a proper vier
of the matter; they compromise the dignity of the council
in its deliberative more than in its executive character, and
they engender feelings which I know have more than once
been most injurious to social intercourse. These are two
very obvious reasons, which, I should think, would convince
almost every member of that body of the wisdom of putting,.
or endeavouring to put, this question at rest.
I have taken the liberty of offering these suggestions
through your columns, from a desire that, as far as possible,
strife and contention should cease. To banish those evils
entirely is impossible, but I do not see the impossibility of
preventing party warfare from leading to personal.raou
and perpetual excitement. Let both sides unite in soy e
such manner as is here pointed out, and both will
an honourable, comprehensive, and united status,as
corporation education is concerned, from which
their annual appeal in November. t hays

to make

I have the honour to be, sir,
Your humble servant PE.
NSATCI

Great George-street, Thursday.

2Cronseß-ripint
for
[We have readily given insertion to the above letter of our
valued correspondent ; and yet we roust take the liberty -
expressing our dissent to the ground upon which. his ei-
argument is based. " Pensatore.." urges inquiry ii-
charges brought by Mr. R. V. I ate,,—that embo
of mawkish tom-foolery—in the hope that such a
will tend to put an end to the FeZata quavtio of th
cations y
which
the
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take
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lace Corporation
uponoe rr ygtahsiretainsfertile
.Schools.
thletmweill,
such thing. It will not either shorten the tiresorr
cussions
monthly council meeting ; but, on the contrary, it
ill-feeling.
ftehe lemg. council
more likely to open a.field for more tiresome co,' "
stale charges, more. bate!. recrimination ofh
chamber.P 9
ties,
No discussioN—no inquiry—can eve,
so long as P
and greater private
acialtdiog'el nqtleestottn'of the Yates
permitted to d‘s -1
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Earle and Mr. R. V. Yates are stlon of Mr. Nirly u
infirmities, or sillinesses, ;
these Arcadian ;
twa.n,--the one t'
shades of Abercromby-squart, --`'
racter of Daphne to the fair -",
the retirement of the D• 1 Phlllide
1
peace and order in ,-,,„.._ -U'll''' -

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