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Meuse to preserve that Cu*dilution iaTiataid from
which they derived eu Many blea.sisigs, and nut to
act as the base Indian, who threw away a •pearl
richer than all his tribe.
Mr. CANNING ruse under a conviction that
he could nut diselorge his duty union he delivered
his sentiments on the subject before the Hew.
He had paid the greatest attention to all the argu-
ments used on the occasion, and if be could End
auy impression on his mind to oppose the vote
against the Noble Lord, he would gladly do it,;
but he could not avoid what he considered his
duty by a subterfuge in favour of any Member
of that house. lie said he sholild put out of
bis consideration many topics , which had been
urged during the night, and hegia by acquitting
the Noble Earl of any meanness, and the tnalig.
want motives which had been imputed to him.
He disbelieved such imputations. It was tal.
terry impossible that a man in the situation of
Lord Chatham, gifted by nature with generous
qualities, and by fortune with the name which was
honourable in thecountry, could beguilty of malice,
or any low design. While lie entertained this
opiniun, he could not acquit the Noble Lord of
an oaence in a constitutional point of view.
However his honour and lustre of character might
be acknunledged, to shield him from a censure on
the present occasion, would make him a splendid
anomaly. The Noble Earl was bond to act un
the same principle as any other man in the public
service. The Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Whilbread) wonld.sutfcr him to say, with feelings
of no unnecessary severity, that he did not wit.
);ugly vote with him ; indeed it might be said that
he did not vote *ith the honourable Gentleman
without reluctance.-1A laugh.]—With respect
to the questions under discussion, he considered
the broad question the most constitutional one.
Be expressed hie regret that this questiuu'had ever
occupied the attenuun of the House, because it
had the power of stripping the Rqyal name of its,
irresponsibility, and it was the interest of the Crown
that bo ;inch question should come under discus.
Ilion; but though he had to regret this, he con.
shirred the discussion perfectly admissible. Unfor- '
• tensely the subjects to which he alluded were so
. Interwoven, that the decision of one would be
• considered as prejudging the other. With respect
to the Resolutions whit had.bevis moved, the first
detailed the transactions fairly ; the second charm-
' • terized the conduct of the Noble Earl, and on that
•• Ise Weeded to make some remarks. An Ho-
nourable Member admitted that such a transaction
bad taken place, and that the House should not
• take notice of it. He conIJ not avoid express.
ing the utmost astonishraent at this strange mode
pf aeguntent, for there had not. been a single
circumstance to allow the House to say it ought to
' be passed over. They had a traiisaction before
them. which posed out of the way of the coustitu.'
• ;ion, and yet they were called on to take no notice
of it. This mode of proceeding lie could not suffi-
ciently depreeete. For the interest of the Crown, it
was necessary that the degree of blame which at.
tached tootlap individnalehould be recorded ; was it
therefore to go forth unnoticed, because those w hose
duty it was to correct every encroachment on the
Coaslitutioe bad not the courage to oppose It ? The
lleuee was called on to investigate and censure the
blame atiribetahle to the parties, and with this view
of the subject, he could not vote fur thy previous
question, neither could he give his vote fur the se.
cond litmelutien. lii recording the transaction on
the Journals ef the House, it was necessary that it
should be disencumbered of evidence, ti make the
case. plain and intelligible. As the Resolution
stood, he thought it would be itnpessible for pus.
terity to entertain a clear opinion of it. He could
have wished the Itisolation had been without the,
pindence which attached.to it. lu objecting to
tk• this Resolution, he was not prepared to say that
..., the tens unconstitutional was not e fair definition,
t. but lie would not allow that it was unconstitu-
tional without looking at the violations of the.
.." Constitution in a vmstitutional point of view. No
• thought the Earl of Chatham had done ill, but he
did inst think the offence watt of that magnitude
that it ought to be visited by severe punialunent.
?improper coarse, in his opinion, to express the
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his frieodslo that 'of the O. P.. 0 asst the .0. P.'s
had the law of their side;. to hid he end his friends,
and he trusted they would carry the question. The
Honourable Member had get& suavity of man.
tiers, a brilliant imagination, and gteit power of
argument ; but bistead of applying these to the
substance of the question, and endeavouring
to exculpate Lord Chatham, they were employed
to show that this motion' had less for its object the
censure of Lord Chatham, theft the removal of
Ministers. His continued cry was, 64 you
want to get them- out; you want to get them
out;" why so he did, bat he found it impos-
sible. Repeatedly as they were knocked down,
still they got up again. litreould kill a moo, but
he could not kill the phantom of anA.dministration,
The Right Hence:rabid the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer brought to his recollection a scene in a
Neapolitan puppet.show, where a duel takes place
between Punch and his antagonist. Poor Punch
is run through and through the body. His friend
comes, and with great signs of grief, applies his
mouth to his ear, and ssks him, 46 some rnorte ?"
on which the latter springs up and cries " Bah !"
So with the Right Honourable Gentleman on the
other side: notwithstanding the repeated defeats he
has sustained during the session, at the very moment
that you expect to hear nothing more of him, 'up
jumps the little fellow, and say', "I am alive."—
[Much laughing.] Lord C. in one part of his
examination, had stated that the Narrative was
transmitted to his Majesty to meet the Narrative.
of Sir R. Strachan ; and yet, in answer to a ques-
tion afterwards put to him; he admitted it was
within his knowledge, that that gallant officer
had ['relented no Narrative. There were other
inconsistencies which
.it was not now necessary
for him to dwell on, as they had been so rlearly•
pointed out by his Right Honourable Friend
(Mr. Ponsodby). therefore, he saw
the Noble Lord give suck. inconsistent testimony
(which, if given without. that bar, instead of in.
side of it, the House would be bound to take
'notice of)—testimony that they would not have
passed over in any of the persons that appeared at
their bar last year, was he not •justified in calling
on the House to assert its own dignity, and to
mark its Sense of those shuffling and unconstitu-
tional proceedings ? Much bad been said of the
purity of Lord Chatham'slutentions. With that
'the-House had nothing to do;. they were to form
r 'heir decisions only from the facts before them.
had been condemned for the contrast he
endeavoured to draw between the conduct
of the' late Earl of Chatham and the pre.
'sent. Ile was asked, will yon be so inhuman
as to tear the stones from the monument of the fa.
tiler, to bruise the head of the son ? Ile could
peal to those who had opportunities of judging of
his habits and feelings, whether in private life he
was capable of violating any of those social elec.
lions that bound man to .man. But there be was
not his own master ; he would discharge his duty as
an honest and independent servant of the people,
and hold use the proud, noble, and constitutional
conduct of William Earl of Chatham; in eating
contrast with the suspicions and anebostitutional
conduct of 304 in Earl of Chatham.. He would-
asaintain, that the Right Mososulalshe iiiesSisasa•
hill set onswetetoms of •hb islisessetilairiothilA+
was to UM in itespicions omen that be Cliaitild
carry the question. He.cotild assure thwillouse,
that he did not act in :a spirit of iengeonee, but,
in the aid* of a Representative of the People.
Atlastates of Lord Chatham; there were none -
but lie stood there the advocate: of millions at
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the people of Englood, who insisted ,on the
•principle •of.responsibility, and who wished• to
make Ministers or others anavierattit Air whatever
advice they should give the Sovereign. Us must
again repeat, that ho.trusted the Meuse would Mee
stiffer the Right Honuurablh Calliope's to tate
refuge under the shabby shelter .of the previous
question; and give the country an opportunity of
saying, that Parliament dare not do its duty..—
Should the first Resolution be carried, it would,
then be time for the House to consider whether
they would adept the .Amendmset of the Right
Honourable Gentleman. •
General LOFTUS.vindicated the conduct of.
Lord Chatham, and assured the Rouse that the.
Noble Lord had expressed to Min his readiness to
coma back and answer to any points in hi; efa,.
deuce that were supposed:to .want explanation.
General GROSVENOR maintained, that Lot*
'Chatham was perfectly justifiable in presetstisc
.the Narrative to his Majesty, which was mend,
a simple recital of the military operation in which'
.ho was employed, and did not contain' a single
•werd,of advice front beginning to sod. , .
After several explanations from Mr. Whit. 4
bread, Mr. Canning, Mr. Hanka, and others,
'the Hope bbcame clamorous for the question.
Strangers were ordered to withdrawit Nei
toolcistate- on thiffetosia-question
' For it .. M.—Against it . ffil.,-51altarity ss.
• Strangers were nut afterwards admitted; but
we understand, Mr. Whitbread', first resolution
was carried, and he waved the second.
Mr. CANNING then• proposed the Amend.
meat mentioned in his speech; and
Mr. WII IT BREAD seetwided it.
After a short conversation, in the course of 1
which, some Amendineats, principelly verbal,
were suggested and acceded ti, Mr..idanwitto's
resolution was adopted.-i-Adjourned. at Three
o'Clock.

hesitate to say the *Ale Lord's eondnet was
not unconstitutional; yet, if it was suffered to
imps unneahoxi. it. might be dengeroes to the.
Constitption. Ije had no wish to travel through
the question, bqt ho did say It iu not unconsti.
tutional, because he ecquitted the Noble Earl of
any sinister motive. The paper had been presented
as mere confidential statement, and when Lord
Chath;m gave it to the King, he did not glee It as-a
Privy Counsellor, with advice to accede to it.—
What watt the situation of the King with respect to
information at the opening of Parliatient ? Ills
Majesty had stated, in his Speech, that he bad di-
rected to, he laid before both Houses iufortnation
respecting the Expedition to the Scheldt ; and
when the Narrative was put into the King's hands,
it was nut likely that the Papers and' information
laid before Parliarnout could be affected by it. He'
did not *refuse to vote a censure on. the Noble
Earl ; and while he wished that censure might be
mild, he did not hesitate to say that the Noble
Earl had acted inadvertently.
Mr. WINDHAM considered the arguments
which had been used to prove the conduct of
Lord Chatham unconstitutional, louse and collo.
qutal. The censure in the Resolution of hit Hon.
.Friend was too severe, and therefore he preferred
the amendment suggested by an Hon. Gentleman',
opposite. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
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said, the observations he had made on a reenter
night prevented Kim from going into the subject at
length. Ile could not help asking how the /ion.
Gentleman, who had refused to, call the contact
of Lord Chatham unconstitutional, could argue
that it was necessary to mark it by the censure of
the House ? The most rational way for the
House to deal with the question would be, to say
that we will not discuss it. The Right Honours.
ble Gentleman contended that the Earl of Chat.
ham had nut committed an unconstitutional act. It
did nut appear that any act injurious to the Con.
stitution had followed the presentation, of the pa.
per, and therefore there was no ground fur the
House to pass its censure.' The slightest notice
of the transaction was not necessary.
Mr. BATIIURST explained.
Mr. CANNING also explained, stating, 'that
what he had suggested was a modification only' of ,
the original motion', and not adierse to the Ran.
lutions proposed by' the. Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. WHITBREAD then rosesto reply. He ob.
'cued, that bird Chatham had been arraigned by
him, and had not found a single defender in the
House. Those who spoke most in his favour ad.
milted that his conduct was erroneous; but they
would not allow, that it was unconstitutional. A
Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Windbam), who
appeared to hare been defending the conduct Of
Lord Chatham, although he concluded by saying
he should vote against him, allowed that his con:
duct was contrary to the spirit and genius of the
Constitution. What was this but saying in other
words that It was unconstitutional ? Theßightlion,
Geetleteatt Purceval) had allowed that Lord
Chatham had erred, but as ho said, innocently,
Now, ho must deny, that any thing appeared
in the evidence which enabled him to conclude that
this error was innocent. As for keeping the lutes.
Lion undetermined by voting fertile previous flees.
tion, ho thought the Holum and thecountty. ought
net tb be so kept in suspcnce. Ministers aPpeared
to wish for the shabby shelter of the previous quell.
tion, and were content 'still to appear the dis.
jointed 111 misters of a disjointed Cabinet, which
had too long misgoverned the country. Some Hon.
Gentlemen said that they wad not vote for these
resolutions, unless it was intended to follow them
up. He bad expressly told the Wine, that if
they were carried, be would have another resolution
to submit to them. '!'hero Will another Honour.
able Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) whom be hattheard
this night with amazement, and he belieted the;
House participated iu thb feeling. lie had sup..'
posed that nu Gentletnan's edition of "the Consti.
rodeo was more correct thanbis • at least, in that'
situation he was alwayscuesitle'rel in the 'Finance
Committee. But fur the future, he must, in hit
own mind, consign that Hon. Gent. to the tame
class of Guardians of the Constitution as Was exhi.
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sense of the House, would have been, to have halted its such abundance at the ether side "of the
moved some censure ht terms less severe. The Ho. House. In specking of what was the ptineipal sib.
nunsable ilinaber here intimated that it was nut jest of complaint, Gentlemen hid mtpreseed thew,
his intention then to move an amendment, out be, selves erroneously *whets by the word it they al-.
suggested the following:— - hided to the Narrative that was beferellie House.
'. Twit this ll;nwe ems, with ;rest colleen, the Earl et Thr.t was not the it that ho meant. Ile meant that
Chatham, as Commander of the Fortes in the Espeditioo to original paper which bad been altered in the Narra.
pie Sibeldi, should-have been induced to protons Narrative
to his Majesty of proceedings, is which the name of ao MS- tire, and which now remained a ieeret
_between
err, who mowed iii that service, was contained, without roe. Lord Chatham and his Majesty. If Lord Chat.
teyitig it titruagts the hinds of the respeasibk ten ants of the ham had_ not given his *lice that It Should hi
- Crown: mid that such conduct Might to be marked by the
emigre of this House, as dangeruto and persicious to the kept-secret, Lord Mulgrere,. who pot Lord Gem--
(.74V W o.'! - bier on his trial on a much Slighter charge, would'
This ho.consWered enough to discharge the duties certainly have instituted t•eotart-martial to enquire
of the House, end not more than the transaction into thw conduct of the naval department. It
periteo( was A Ski, Ili . thss....G44oMen 4,0 .*he other eider
Air. lIATAUMST aid, . that - Lord eligible' that pubtleity was the Noble Lord's object, and
had violated theaccess which be hid with his Ma. that he was determined that an inquiry shouhl take
jesty, but he did not.thioli his offence •ueconstitu. place. This determination could not, however,
itional. He thought. tho Noble. Earl's conduct be collected from the Answer to the City of Len-
entit led to such censure as .would prevent a similar don. When Lord Chatham said in-his evidence,
transaction from occurring again, but was out ii- that he had no copy of the narrative hellcat sent'
vaned to give a vote of great severity. in to the King, lie hoped, that he till not believe,.
?Jr. W. OWEN contended, that the conduct at thattime,. that he had the Original• itself in his
of (.aid Chatham was not unconstitutional. It was possession. If having the original,. he answered'
necessary, when a charge was brought against any , in such a manner, it 'would be more against the
shalt, that it should be fairly-stated. In the pre. character of the N.oble Lord than even the menu..
sent transaction the charge woof a geocril nature, I stitutional act of which he complained. If that
and it was impossible fur the donee to , say the proceeding was intended to. influence his '%-
Noble Earl's conduct was uncooititutional. 'Majesty, and that influence reclaimed sindi. • .IW.g S'-- TAIiESMAN.
Lord CAfLEREAGII said, whatever his minished, he called upon the Hotta to record kii " li. .1' ———,—_ —4 ~
impression might be, his private feelings ought 00 the fact on their Journals. For his pert, ho - , eworonts TillA Z., • ,
to Interfere with his duty. It had appeared fo cessideral the whole proceeding of stiehis nature, '' ' --
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him that these were no papers in the possession of he thought the conduct of Lord Chatham laf eitiA' • • • I
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she Noble Lord which the House had not a tight traordittary, so hostile to the genius and sph - it 4 1.. ~ s " .
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to demand. With respect to the narrative obtainiod the Conititution, that is order to maric,his lota ' MAILS arrived in Town tilt morning trod% Lis-
f rum 11;e Throne, the House was bound to disaupie of it he would propose to carry them veseletiostif LL.•L'attlig
MC duty it owed the cannery. Lnuking at that pa. to the foot of the throne, Nit without any* uotnusta 'L." = ., . _
and -GottonbUrsh, groat' which' we
see, 44 1 protest (said the Noble IJord) that acquit form or ceremony, leaving it to his Majesty til'''"e° nude such: t4tracta as the limits 91 our
lissird Chatham of any unjust or ungenerous (soave . act thereon as be might think best. But if bo wan Plvvir, sseenpied as it is by the Interesting Debate
wilco ho delivered the paper."— With no sulpieion not able to elect that, he irnsteti that at leak Me of lest niglre,`..bie Wait. .
in Ida mind against the Noble Earl,he should 16ek at 'should succeed in in ecording the preceetAttiti It Is eestlerit,: by aim successive sirivei,, that
the sohiecl untier discisiiottas tk tivy cuustitutionsil .as to prevetit a possibility; of the recurrence of
question. If. was limned in b 4 Mind '1144 to g;) he,: the Offence. . An .11eitairable and Learoed' Mein. ,b¢_ F !pitch Res mir.r.mfekly oateediul thenntelvesi
goad this opinion, and he thought the House could her (Mr. Stephen) on the opposite Bench, had en- on. the frontiers of Portugal,' which thin teeth:
sot adopt any vindictive oseasaro? He tfid not deavonred to AShillihas the eondelif hi4tfelf and threetenett.on iscsy side. The city of ar.tgania,
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platted in the North Eatitermitetat paint of Portia.
gal, bas been plundered by a foraging party of
the French army.—Cludad Rodrigo, a city ,
of Spain, on the frontiers of Portugal, has
been attacked, although unsuccessfully ; mint i.
da, in Portugal, has also been threatened._
Badajoi has been visited by the enemy, who have,
however, retreated. ' And at Ayamoute, on the
Spanish side of the Guadiana, at, its confluence
with the Ocean, the French are in considerable
force, Portugal is thus menaced ota various
points, and which ever way Lord WELLise•rov
may turn himself, the French will certainly
take advantage of any tliuvement in advance,
by correspondent motions on his rear„..
Fortifications, we am told, have 'been raised
on many defensible points, and some of the
most important pusses • are effectually g
but after the experience we have had of the de.
fence of the passes at Samosierra, and in ih,
Sierra Morena, we may be excused if we are seer.
tical on the successful defence of those points on
which the Portuguese appear to place so much re,
fiance: • It is, iu truth, greatly to be feared that
She French, more numerous than we are led to
believe, are manoeuvring at various points, with a
view of inducing ,Lord WELLINGToN to admire.
the consequences of which would ith:vitably he
disostrols, if not fatal.
It will be seen, by the accotints from Cadiz,
that the place is now considered to be in a re-
spectable state of defence, although, until the
arrival of our troops, the inhebitants, fluctuated
between the admission of a French or Englisk
force.


Port St. Mary is completely in their possession;
as eta are Malaga, Seville, Grenada, and the stir,
rounding districts. To occupy so great an ex.
.tent of country—u threaten'ng, at the same time,
Portugal at so many points, it is impossible us
doubt that the force of the French greatly exceeds
what it is described to be by the Spaniards.
CADIZ, FEB. 17.—0 n the 24 the Council of Be-
-1 gency, which, from the urgency of the present state of af-
fairs, has been formed by the Supreme Junta of Government,
entered upon its funetioes. It emoisis of five Members of the
Junta, the Bishop of OREN SE, president, Don F. DE SAt.
YEDRA, Don F. X. CATTANOs, thin A. b;scA\A, and Deg
E. F. De Lyme.
- Josern Spena, an inhabitant of port St. Mary, whirl;
he left at three o'clock in the afternoon, was nasalised by
the Junta, nod declared, in the coarse of hie eumientioel
that the French Mee occupied the said plate with one regi-
ment and ope battalion of foot t thatiftey have meensedtWe
guns in the castle of sedating, and two at Guist; theiFsks
Julien arrived there 3esterdity at one o'clock in the after
noon, escorted by 100 men, and alighted at the house of the
Marquis CANADA TIRRE, that the French have completed
a bridge of boats, and converted the Convent of S
.S. Francisco
lowa salable e.Shist Mary *elms their determination to be OW
Surstst tails Wra fortnight ; :AO he saw fear **roil' mo-
neer*, who left the place for the perpose of reconnoioin; the
lines Of the isle de leeon ;.end Out a report reached Port Si.
, Mary, before he left it; that the Marquis dc IiONAN.t was
in the rear of the French, with an *fly Of 70,000 men.
ThE Duke of ALBUQUERQUE, leitvllK reciAved a letter '
from the Duke of DALSIATIA, inviting bim to submit ID
King Josses', returned a very spirited/mover, In which be
declines all lhwther communication with him, flit Fen int Allin •
VII. shall have been restored to Spain. \ •
"lam also to inform your Excellency," he says in this hue-
resting Paper, " that the English, that brilliant Wiles whet
is valiant and noble as it is generous, do not harbour lathe e
bosoms any idea like that pointed • tit by your Excellency
to reader themselves masters of Cadiz, they bore ro otier
views than assist es in its defenCe with all the powerfe4
memos in which the Spaniards have requested of. these, aid
accept mutts pleasure."
Tna Gottenblirgh Mail cOntaint only an ac.
count of a (41'11111 Deputation of the Stetes of the
Empire to the Kuto, to Offer alb:tiro for the re-
storation of Peace,
Is a number of the Journal de Commerce,
brought by a Gentleman, arrived froar
it is stated, that in the Moniker of the preceding
day, 'the recal of King Louis from the throne of
Holland, by his brother iIsjAPOLSON, is fermally
announced.
'As interesting discussion took place last night
in the House of Commons, On the
,Resolittilsel
awed by Uri WlDTllnetn on Friday last.--Tbe
previous question was moved by Mr. STEPU EN, and
supported by all -the strength of-Adesinistratiou.—
It appeared, however, in the course of the debate,
to be the prevailing sentiment, that ,the conduct of '
the Earl of Cnkritam demanded some mark of the .
disapprobation of the House, though many Mem-
bers were of opinion that ttie 'censure cent.dad
in Mr. WIDTIIRRAD'i second Resolution was too
severe. On a division the previous question was
negatived, Tll E, MAJORITY AG king MI-
NISTERS BEING THIRTY-THREE!
The Gallery was not opened after the division;
but we understatid that Mr. WillTaltEAD withdrew
his second Resolution, and adopted one de gilder
name, proposed by Mr. CASHING, which ass
agreed to
Sir PottE OUIELtY is appointed Minister to the
Court of Persia, witt an 'appointment of 50601•
a.ytar, ao4 a retreat of 20091. a-ytisr. The Psg-
°reds
AMBAseAmpt, it It therefore to be sett )
has succeeded in the object cc his m'stion to End"
laud ; ind we understand he tikes his departure ill
a few weeks.
uagAß.—There was no Court of Aldermen to.
day the LORD MAYOR; after inspecting tllO
turns, prdered it to rise Id. per
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