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'ot the authotity of any bther than that branch
the,Ugislittstfb which issued it. Since the de.
termination 'of the Committee, and-the resolution
of the House to plead to the action, the subject
Muit•lie brought before Court, and if that Court
Shahid *determine against it, it must then he al-
lowed to be illegal. Ile thought, therefore, that
to reject a Petition, on account of such an ex.
press:on; Would bo going too far, and should
therefore vote; that it do lie on the table.
hl r. BRAND said, he conceived it was the tin.
'doubted right 'of every subject of this realm to
question the legality of any-and every proceeding
that took placc'in that House, and he hoped the
House would never coulcnt to reject any Petition
because the Petitioner questioned the right which
the House might at any time think proper to as.
some. He should therefore vote for the Petition
lying on the table.
Mr. RYDER. thought the expression " such
treatment of the people past all endurance" fully
!Sufficient to warrant the rejection" of the *Petition,
and if the House permitted such insulting language,.
they would deserve to receive it.
A division took place—
For'recelving the Petition 32—Atainst it 91.
On our returning to the Gallery, we found
Mr. 11. SMITH spe.iking on the subject of re.
ferring a Petition of the South %Value Collieries
to a Committees nt stated that man. y. pattit
tit
the West of England' felt a serious 'tarry... hoWs•
the advanced price of cualssin eontiegnestee of the
exclusive right of Newport, gad one or two oilier
ports of the Bristol Channel, to supply coals to
Bristol an,l other towng without pa)ins Port Duty.
Ho wished that the injorieg complained
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at all events be required into, •and therefore ho
moved that the Petition shooldfie: referred. tri
Select Committee.
This was opposed by Lord ARTHUR. SO.
11 ET, and mtny other Gentlemen, ott.tite.,
ground that from time immemorial Newport, and
other ports above these islands, which arc sup.
posed to be at the very mouth of the Severn,
might send coals without duty, as it was consider-
ed Wand navigation, whereas every thing that lay
beyond these islands were supposed to be on the
tea, and that therefore port duties ought to be
paid. On the faith of this ancient custom of the
R;ver Severe, large sums had been expended in
mines, in the coonty, of Monmouth ; as also in
raking the Monmouth Canal. It was contended
theeefure, that granting the Petition would be an
injustice to those nho had thus stink their pro-
perties on the filth of the existing law.
Mr. Davii4 Giddy, Mr. Adam; and other Gen.
Bernell supported the Petition, and thought,' that
when so many districts of the country complained
of suffering a serious injury, it was but juice to
theni to inquire into the cause of their complaints.
The House then divided--
For the Petition -
Again:A it

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DUKE OF BaUNSWICK's PENSION.
Mr. TIERNEY ros.., in pursuaoce of a no.
tiee he had given on a former day, to move an
humble Address to his Majesty with resp.tn to
the pension granted to the Dike of Brunswick
Is. lie regretted that it neeessney to bring
a motion in the present shape before the cut:side!.
ation of Parliament. He should have hoped that
after the very f6t rul conduct of Parliament to.
wards the Civil List at a time :tot long past, some
means might have been provided for affording a
sufficient relief- to the Duke of Brunswick in his
preseut circumstances, without coming to Parlia-
ment for another grant of public money. It was
fur his Majesty's Ministers to consider whether it
was wise or prudent for them to expect Parlia.
ment to give money merely because they were
asked for it. When ho recollected that it was
within the last two years, no less a eum than ten
thousand pounds per annum was voted for the
Duchess of Brunswick, he thought that if there'
had been any other mode of providing for his
Highness without laying additiettal burdens un this
country, it should nave been resorted to. The
large pension which had beet' granted to the Du-
chess of Brunswick was voted by that House,
unanimously, as he believed, and without. any
observations. As to his Highness the Duke of
Brunswick Oels, although hu had as high are.
spect for his rank and character as any man, yet
lie did not conceive that his claims were. of the
stone nature as that of the Duchess of Bruns.
wick, the sister of the King He, however, had
made no objection to the pension of 70001. voted
to his Royal Highness from the Consolidated
Fund. He knew that the Consolidated Fund
was much the best lecurity upon which a pension
could be charged, as it would be regtilarly paid.
But while for this reason he agreed to the pension
being secured in that fund, still if any other
means coal be pointed out for indemnifying that
fund for the Written so thrown on it, he thought
such means ought to be had recourse to. The
pettsion might have been secured on the Civil List,
or the :11. per cents. without' barthettine the Con.
'iolidattit Fund ; but Ministers, however, thought
proper to come to Parliament, and to propose_ it
. as. a matter of counts to throw it upon the Cooso-
'Mated Fund. Now if any other fund could be
elfewn to exist Sufficient to relieve the country of
the.burtbeo of this pension, and he understoutl the
Droits of the Admiralty were sufficient fur that
purpose (the Chah'rellor of the Exchetpier ap. I
peered to nod assent), he thought that such fund
ought to bo applied to that ;purpose. He hoped
that Gentlemen would tit)t so far misundean
. him, as to suppose that ho meant that the pension
should be charged on the Omits of Admiralty,
but he-did think that a ccrtuin portion of them
ought to be :46id to the Cuosolitiated Fund, fur
the purpose of indemnifying, it for the burthen so
thrown upon it.. lie could not see any more whole-
some appliCation .of those Droits of the Adini.
salty, which Whit thipposed by many
_to be *the
absolute property of the Crown, than to be ap-
plied toward making a suitable, provision for. so
near a relation of his Majesty. He concluded lty
moving an address, which he read, and which was
to the following purport—
" That the House having proceeded to take into consider-
m+%,,- Atliesty'l Message, and participating in the anxiety
of his Majesty, to mar a suitiiiite and permanent provision
Cur a Prince so deafly, to his Majesty, had granted fur

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ift:it purpose the annual sum of 701001. secured on the Canso-. 'Thence for the additional Isturiben which was . now-
lidated Fund's hut at the same time the House could nut for to be thrown amt. • •
hear humbly represeutiog to hii Majesty, that not withstand-
Mr. Secretary DUNDAS maintained the strict
Mg their great anxiety to provide suitably for a Prince, so
oeady .allied to his Majoty, yet it was their duty to stateo right of• the Crown to dispose of this feed ie•any
that this country laid been long 'acting under.heavy sod in.
manner that it might think proper. As to the
creasing btu:Meas. in coasequence of the war which it h
now matted in with France, and of which it could not fore- fixed allowance which .bad been made to support
bee the termination, and therefore that the House itiaPt!rel the King's Civil List, it had always been found in-
his Majesty to order such sum as could be spared out of ,any
MITT fund which was disposable, to he paid over to. the, sufficient, as it was impossible that the same sum
Gofisoliltated Fetid, to indeinnify,it for the additional burthen of money could now-support the same establish..
which this pension woold Create. ' meats, which was reckoned necessary to support
The Motion and proposed Address having been the due selendiatir of • the Throne abotit half a
read from the Chair, century ago:. The consequence was, that frequent
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER applications had been made to. Parliament to de-
considered that an application to his Majesty of -fray the debts necessarily contracted in the main-
the nature contained in that address would be per. tenanceof the I ivil List. He thought the Droits
fectly novel, and such a thing as had never before of the Alimiralty might best be applied in supply-
been adopted by Parliament. He considered that ing the deficiencies of the Civil List, and prevent.,l
if the House really agreed with • the substance of ing future embarrassments, or applications to Par-
the Address nulled, it would be a more gracious Hawed.
or rather a less offensive manner to seek their Mr. BROUGHAM was for the motion. It',
wishes, by addressing his Majesty at once to was, he thought, peculiarly the proiince of Par.
grant such a stint out of the Droits of the Admi- 'fitment not to allow any King to amass money in
Leahy for the general service of the country, and this way, because' it might happen by the disco.
not for this particular pension. The. Address cif very of a mine, or by the unnecessary declaration
The Right Honourable Gentleman was indeed chi- of a war for the. purpose of acquiring Admiralty
rionsly constructed. It began by taking great Droits, he might be rendered independent of a
credit for the Utilise of COIIIIIIOIIS, for the libera- House of Commons. Thus, it was *ell known,
I lily they displayed in the gOatitt and for their &nice Charles 11. declared wit merely fur the purpose
[ key in eecitrieg a provieluit for a Prince so weary of obtaining the Smyrna fleet: The question
'allied te his Majesty, and yet, immediately after fur the House now to consider was, whether
taking this credit for liberality, it turned short they would lay an additional bfirthen upon
round upon' his Majesty ; and;requested that he an oppressed people, when there suns en op.
would pay thein the whole amount. of *hat in portent(' of avoiding it. He should vote for the.
Their liberality they had just gianted.—(4lallfh.) motion, both oat of respect to the Crolo and.
It must be recollected, however,' that Out of those. conciliation Weird' the people.
Dreits of Admiralty, his Majesty had recently gi. Mr: G. JOHNSTONE, while he thought this
vett largo lulus for the general service of this coon- fund ought to be controuled and investigated, was
try. Between three and four hundred thousand ,•oi °pito" that the munificence of this country to-.
'pounds Mitt been given on account of the prizes unfortunate, strangers was her greatest pride, and
taken at Copenhagen, which otherwise must have ought not to he restrained where its object was a,
beets purchased from the captors, at the ex ;hence Prince allied to our Sovereign.
of the country. The Right Honourable Gentle. Mt. 11. BItOWN4 opposed the Motion.
man (Mr. Tierney) had stated, that two erars ago, Mr. TIERNEY shortly replied, and the
no one objected to a pension of 10,0001. a year
House divided
then granted to the Duchess of Brunswick kited -
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yet the' saute applitation which wis rnedeltow Onour return we found Ntr. DENT observing'
might have been made then, and perhaps with upon a doubtful vote in a CUmmittee. 'rite Cum-
greater force,•as she wee nearer allied to his Ma- millet -was revived. .
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jesty;being his sister, it would he more netisial to - STAMP OFFICE.
expect that relief to her might have come directly Mr. WHITBREAD observed epon the long
from the King. If the Duke of Brunswick had delayed arrangement in the. Board of Stamps, and
been no relation of his :Majesty,. still from his sal- the very necessary 'revision which' ought to take
feringe he had a claim to the generosity of the Eng- place in several of the public offices. Ile stated
hilt nation. Such claim had been allowed to other many instances of what he conceived abuse in the
royal and distinguished nersons, wine, driven from Stamp.office ; and though he was not inclined to
their dommions And estates, bad sought shelter in doubt the talents or diligence of Mr. Neyle, the
this boettry.
,It must oleo he recollected, that Chairman of the Board of Stamps, still he honed
the annuity was-only contingent, as it was to lase that the utmost expedition would be used in their
no tenger thanehe Continent remained inAhe pro. .correction. .There were many persons emeloyed
sent unsettled stale, and therefore,it•wneld not be .et low salaries itt the Stamp-office ;ho thought if •
easy to ascertain what sum from the Droits of the. fewer were-employed, with something larger sale-
A.imii ally would be an equiyalent for an annuity ries, the businest would be better done. lie con.
se circumstanced. ' • • • e added by Toving..._. ' .
Mr.CaE E V EY would not hy any means atiniit' " For (Nineteen. tof all the Correspondence between the
that the Droits of the Admikalty were the ahsul mite ' Treasnry soli the Ilitiird.ofndstamps, with respect to the r:vlt-;
property of the Crown. He thought, that when skla
tt►eatias:rarilar:;:slreneu; 3an.ailso
io:;:r togethercies
wink ithh'riblitnes
the King accepted a fixed annual ineOme of eight , or their warrants; and likewise fir accounts of the removal
hundred thousaiel paint's, it was 'Supposed that and supercessi )))) of all Officers from that period."
he had gi!dii up all other , claim'. It never. - Mr. WHARTON accenntell fOr the delay
could be conceived at that time that such a sum as which had taken place in the revision of this office,
seven or eight millions couldget into the hands of by •the., necessary professional pursuits of Mr.
the Sovereign, after the commutation Which had Neyle, and the very tedious nature of the revision
been Made. Although the Law Officer' said that itself.
this was completely and absolutely the King's pri-
.. Mr. HUSKISSON was as hutch as possible for
vale property, whet would be thought of sticb.a - the revision of the office, and agreed that Govern-
sum being devised by will to persons out of the meat ought to pay all their officers liberally, and
country ? In the year 1703, his Majesty acted at the same time to require proportionable talents
with respect to those Droits of Admiralty iii .a and attentiou. lie panegy*ized Mr. Neyle high.
manner that he wished his Ministers had now ad: ly, and thought he hail done a public service its
reconitnenditig him.to the notice of the Govern-
viscd lifin to act. • He then 'gave up the whole of
it to the public service. Ati Honourable Friend ment by Which lie was appointed. ,
of his (Sir Francis Burdett) had on a former occa- Mr. %V. SMITH commented upon the little be-
sion made a motion respecting these Drubs of siness which the Clerks in several public offices did.
Admiralty, and had intended, if it vies not for the ile particularized the Excheverollice, where the
circumstance which prevented his atteudetice in average duty was not above four hours a day.
Parliament, to renew the subject in the course of ' After some observations front Mr. R. Ward, the
this Session. - Many sums had, it was true, been' Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Whitbread,
and Mr. R. Dundee, , the motion was agreed to. ••
granted out of the Civil List, post among these
stints was a grant of 2,5,0001. to Sir I Home Pup- Mr. HUSK IiSON :mewed for various returns,
for the purpose of ascertaining the relative ez-
ham. NVhett it was considered how this noose
had, over. and over again, assi-ted the Civil pence of conveying troops in King's ships and
List—when it .was considered how , they had, hired transports. .
over and over 'again, niade the most liticral Mr. R. WARD would not oppose the motions,
provisions for every bran but he was convinced. the conveyance in hired
eh of the Royalamily,
-Family,
and even what large sums it had vetted to pay their lralisp(„ts was lima less expensive to the country
debts, he thought that no unnecessary bnrdetes than. in King's ships. Aisafe and expeditious it
ought now to be laid noon the country,, but that certainly could not be.
'the Droits of the Admiralty ought to be applied in MC. %V. POLE was of opinion, that the plan ,
the present instance. which it was the object of the lion. Member to
Mr. HUSKISSON said, that notes ithstantling recommend could nut he adopted without material
the columniation by which Ibis Majesty received a detriment to the naval service. The conveyance
axed income in lieu of the Crown Lands, there by King's ships cost three-fourths snore than by
`were
,many other branches of his revenue. which transports. lie thought it would not be right to'
he held jure coiling which lie had notgiven up.— take the business out of the proper departments,
:Amongst them were the 41 per Cents. and, as he the Admiralty and Navy Board.—The motiona
conceived, the Droits of the Admiralty. Never- were agreed to.- . '
'theless, If there dud appear any specific fund Thu Report of the Committee of Supply on the
which was adequate to. the payment of the pen- Navy Extraordinarica and Navy Estimates was
sign, the House might.well take that .into their received. • I
consideration before they throethe batrthen on :,11'he Army Extraordinaries,,and the Irish Mis.
the Consolidated Fund. When theliousi agreed eellaueons Services si ere voted in the Committee of
to transfer the pensionaf 90001. of the late Duke Supply. One item' in the latter, the grant of
of Gloucester upon the Consolidated Fund, it 23001. to Lottery Commissioners, created some
was from the conlideration that the 41 pereCents. discussion, which terminated in an iititlerltattifing:
oh which it was previously settled, would not se- that it should be withdrawn on the Report,' if the
cure the regular payment of- the Pension ; but if required information was not forthcoming.
there could at that dine have been pointed out a Mr. 1V II IT BREAD said, that it was not his
large fund, such as the Droits of Admiralty arc -intention to make any motion on the instructions
it preitent, it is $y no means Clear that the given to the late British Minister in Antesica..
House would have agreed 't• transferring it When lie had the pleasure, however, of seeing the
to the '
sCunsolidated Fund. ''''lf there was, a late Secretary for the Foreign Department in -iii
large disposable fund in the hands of the place, he should trouble the Mouse with a felt
Crown, Ministers ought to advise his Majesty to words on the subject.
apply part of it to the purpose stated in the me- Mr. TIERNEY gave notice that ho should op.
Lion. eln the year 17433, it was true that the pose the motion for committing the Duke of
whole of these Dioits were given to‘besertice of Brunswick's Annuity Bill, which lie miderstood
the public generally, but nothing was given to would be made on Monday. ~.
the captors. Of the Droits, however, which had The Irish Malt Duty Bill, after a -long conver.
accrued during the present war, very large sums- satiety between Alderman Combo, Mr. W hitt-read,
had been given to the captor., and at due time a Mr. Foster, Mr. Wigram, and the Chancellor'of
million was given to the. public Weide. He still the Exchequer, went through the Committee. The
thought-that as it seemed to be admitted by his blank for the commencement of its operation was
Majesty's Ministers, that there was still a coml. tilled up with,the Firta of December.
durable disemseble fend derived frounthsusO Droits, The other orders of the day being disported of,
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COURT OF CRANCRBY; lit EsTMINSTER, MAY it.
Belot* his Honour Me ILasrsa of the Ross&
BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION.
MONIEHOUSE C..clla COltfOß 1. Tit/1W Of Hamm
This was a bill filed to foreclose a ntortgege,
under the following circumstances:—
on his death, there
The Corporation of Bedford, some years ago,
borrowed, on nrortgage, the sum of 12001. from,
St.ierinla'i.nßedarndaured,wooy.vlwrilciihchsunwr,as
paid off by livi
Colciehoun, who then represented the Corpuratiots
Lin Parliament, and a receipt was giVen on the
mortgage deed, setting forth that the money had
been so paid by Colnulroun, Who afterwards hay:,
ing become embarrassed in his circumstances, bor.
rowed a sum of Money from the Plaintiff, Monk.i
bOuse, and left in his hands the mortgage deed at
i security. The Corporation, in their answer,
Set forth, that the sum of 9001. had been given to
them by Colquhutin, after they had elected hit*
their Representative in Parliament.
Sir SAIMEL RoMILLt pleaded for the Plaintiff,
and Mr. RICHARDS, fur the Defendant,.
'-• His Mr**.
the Mansti of the Rolm observed,
that he would lay out of his consideration all ar_
guments as to the bribery ; but as the mortgage
had been male over to a third patty, the Daintiest
as a security for money advanced by him, he had
no hesitation its saying, that he had a right to re..
toter.

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I . BIRTHS. HarleY'
• On friday,..the wife of Mr. Lloid, bookseller,
streety;of her 101 Ir thild.
On Saturday murniug, the Marchioness of Wincliester, of
son.-----------..----

On Saturday last, after a tedious illness,
HMO.
Harriet, th e
OfJames Wattle, Esq. much regretted by a numerous ac-
quaintance.
On the idsh ult. at York. aged 73, Thos. Smith, Esq. ha
a.
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ker and Alderraaul. he served the office of Lortt•Mayor,l7
and 1793, and died Father *filial
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COURT OF KING'S BENCH, MAY it
imp ZING V. THE JUSTICa OF STAFFORDSR/RL
-The ATTONEY.GENERAt, rule to spew cause
why a Mandusnus should not ishue to the Justices
ut Staffordshire, directing then to annul or eon.
firm certain of the Regulations ut the k'rieloilly or.
Benefit Society of the Ruinatt. Catholic secular
Clergy of Statfordshire and the adjoiniug Counties.
The ATTORNEYAGENERAI stated, that certain •
of the Roman Catholic Clergy, iutending to form
a Society for'the relief of their old cud indigent
members, had drawn up rules for the maltose, and
desired the sanction of the Justices at the Quetta.
Sessions to those rules. Without that sanction,;'- ;
the Sojety could not conSe,whiliEthe provision . • •
or protection of • the Snow 33d• of the Kinipt„
chap, 5.1:f0r (ho better sordering;;uf inch lashes.
dons. On the application, tths4 aili.trass..
lug their knowledge of the Statute, applied to At •
framer of the Act of Parliament, Mr. Roses Whoa •
the Learned Gounscl (Mr. Clifford) on moving far .
the rule, had introduced to the Court, with much
affected surprise, as being (instead of imam old
lawyer, under whose wisdom the ignorance or me.
L'desty of the Justices might have, taken refuge) •
nothing more or loss than Old George Rose !
Rose conceived the rules of the Societvineompa.
tibia with the. clauses of the Act. The Justices
accordingly declined giving them the spprohatiun.
-which was necessary. The Piper of rules .wa5.....
sent back to its compilers, and the Court • was ap. • •
plied to by them to force the Justices to take it ,
once more under their inspection, and after stak-
ing objection to what might be objectionable, con: •
'firm the rest,
• The ATTORNEY GENERAL' then proceedetl to • •
,hew, by a detail of the rules, contrasted with,
the provisions of the Statute, that the spirit of
the Society was incontpatible with the spirit of the
law. He Mostly rested his argument 'on two
points ; the first, that the administration of the So'.
eiety,. and its fonds, was laid at the almost un.;
checked will of the Ecclesiastical Superior of the
district, whereas by the Statute it was to be in a
Committee of eleven. The second point was,
that the members voting on expuisions,- awl the
more serious matters of the Satiety, were to be
responsible only to Ileaven,w tierces the law said that
they were to be responsible to the Jetstices,also.
Mr; Ct.trroitii contended, in reply, dial the
stature of the Roman Car.olic religion made comb`
of the regulations at once trarteless and necessary;
and'lhat the obnoxious rules 'might easily be se.
panted from the rest, and the Society thus brought
Within the protection of the Statute.
Lord ELLENBOROUGD was clearly of opinion,
that no separation would extinguish the obnoxious
spirit of. those rules ; 'and that if the Society de.
aired to come within the benefits of the Act, they
must frame a code new both in its spirit audits
letter.
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, MAY Pi.
DAVIS V. LADY GRANARD.
An application was made to put off the trisVof
this cause,' on the affidavit of the Countess Dow.
ager of G rattan!, stating that tibe was prevented
from proving her marriage, and plea of cover..
lure, In the action, by the absence of a material
witness, who was in Ireland. The Learned
Judge advised Mr. Serjeaut Best, the Counsel for
the Plaintiff, to agree to the motion, • because*
said his Lordship, you will get the eusts of the
day, • which is more titan you may obtain by
going on with the canse.—Thet cause wee or.
tiered to stand over for trial, at the Sittings slier
Term.

In Dublin, by the LordARRILI) Bisliup of Ferns. Jerome de Sali6'
Count of the 'Holy Roman Empirerto Miss Henrietta Foster,
third daughter of the late Lord Bishop of Cingher, nod elecs
to the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer of Ire. ,
land.
At Enfield, on the 26th ult. Charles Edmany E* la
of
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surgeon of his Majesty's ship Russell, to Miss, Powell,
that place.
At Tunis, on his return from France, Mr. William limy'
Richardson, merchant, of Malta. to Miss Ano ,C
Folsch second' •
daughter ofS. F. Putsch, Esq. his Swedish M:Otv's on-
sul at Marseilles, and grand-d,atglatcr of Sir Et: ward-Neiven-
ham, of Black Rock, near Dublin.
din. of Vfat"
Oil Wednesday lat; at Chiswick, Captain Og
li%tou Hall, Norfolk, to Mary !Smiles, daughter of
Gorge Bowles, Esq. of Chiswick Lodge.

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