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Lucy guL .itiongst the hills that they were in a different coun-
try from what they had been used to ; that they (himself and
M`Gill) were on leave of absence from the army, and had
been to see the Liverpool Steeple Chase. At Hux, seven
miles from Chap, they had more glasses, and the doctor paid.
Miss Crellin there got out. She appeared tipsy, and could
not walk herself. 1 once helped to take her out of the coach.
She appeared very different from what she is now. Her face
was blotched and swollen. Two of us assisted her into the
coach. We had to lift her to get her in. I left the coach
at Chap. There was more drink got there. The doctor
wanted more brandy in a bottle to take into the coach; but
it was not got, as the coach was going to start.

Cross-examined by Mr. Grocott.—When the lady made a
noise at Lancaster, she called for " the doctor," not for
M`Gill. She had two glasses at Hux. They were ordered

by the doe

Wilson, coachman.—l drove five of a party afterwards
northward, from Chap to Carlisle—four insides and one out.
Quick rode on the box with me. I saw Jones at Carlisle.

night. There were two
ladies and two gentlemen inside. At Acthorp we changed
horses. The doctor got some brandy, I think, and gave
glasses into the coach, and I had a glass. There was a noise
made in the coach at Acthorp. I saw them afterwards in a
room at Carlisle. I saw the doctor and I think the same
party start in a double-seated carriage from the Bush Inn,
at Carlisle, and saw they were the same party I had driven.
Quick was seated outside. We took some other passengers

had only t

up at Acthorp.
Joseph Hodgson called.—l am waiter at the Buck Inn,
Carlisle. The North Briton came there on the 18th March.
The parties stopped at our house. There were Quick, Jones,
M`Gill, Mrs. Clayton, and Miss Crellin. They arrived at
eleven o'clock at night. The lady (Miss Crellin) appeared
to be in a state of insensibility, I thought they were going
to take her to the asylum. I thought so from his manner
4 t

ad conversation. Four of them had tea, and doc-
tor (Quick) had a glass of brandy. They slept tben.
Before going to bed, the doctor ordered two glasses
of brandy. He mixed one of them, and gave it to
Miss Crellin, and he then took the other himself.—
She was not very quiet. She seemed to hate the other two,
Jones and M'Gill, and was scolding them. After that I took
three glasses of ale to the three gentlemen. Before they
went to bed there was a great noise made by them. Another
waiter went to quieten them, and told them the house must
not be so disturbed at such a time in the morning. M'Gill
pushed him out. Quick said the others were his servants
they
,
that she was a lady who had plenty of money , and that
were going to Annan. I waited on themin the morning..
They had breakfast for only three. The lady had none.
Mrs. Clayton came down with the doctor, and she asked him

for a glass of brandy for ?Map Crellin, and the &dor was
against it, saying she would only kick up another row. The
doctor then asked for a glass of brandy and two glasses of
ale. On the night they arrived the lady asked where she
was, and the doctor replied, " Five miles from Warrington."
Quick said they would stop there all night, and go to War-
rington in the morning. They left the Bush at half-past
eleven on Saturday morning, in a double-seated carriage.

Cross-examined by Mr. fia venpoit.—The three gentlemen
had breakfast. They had eggs, cold meat, and ham. Miss
Crellin was not in the room at all while I was waiting upon
them. I saw them go off from the door. I saw Miss Crellin
when she went into the carriage. I did not see her get any
brandy that morning. The waiters assisted the ladies to get
into the cat riage. 1 never heard Miss Crellin ask, " how far
is it to Gretna Green."

am a coachman, of Carlisle

employed to drive a double-seated carriage from the

Bush on the morning of Saturday, the 19th. The three male
prisoners, M'Gill, Quick, and Jones, and Mrs. Clayton and
Miss Credits, were the party. I did not see Miss Crellin's
face. The waiter told me to drive to.the Metal Bridge, six
and a half miles on the Glasgow road. Quick was on the
box. About two and a half miles from Carlisle we stopped.
One of the gentlemen inside called out to the Doctor to tell
me to stop at the first public-house we. came to. He said
they were a set of d—d ugly devils inside, and wanted
nothing but drink. I told the Doctor there was a beer-house
close at hand, and a public-house about a mile further on.
We told him to drive to the latter, and when we got there,
the doctor got down and ordered four glasses of ale. Three
glasses only were brought, and two of them were handed in-
side, he taking the other. The doctor ordered another
glass, and the landlord fetched two. I drank one, and the
doctor wanted me to drink the other, but I would not. Soon
afterwards, as we were going through the toll-bar, the doctor
asked me if we had any weddings now ? I said they were
very scarce. He asked me how they paid, and I said there
were various prices, and it was according to circumstances.
He wished to know how much they paid to be married at
Gretna. I told him the fee was from a gill of whisky to
£lOO. The doctor then directed me to stop at the Metal-
bridge, and asked if they had any posting conveyances there.
I said no they had not. He then said he would leave the
rest of the party and walk on to Gretna, as be merely wished
to see it. The doctor said my master charged him too much
(155.) for the coach hire ; and I said I did not mind giving
them a ride a little further ; and I drove them two or three
hundred yards beyond the bridge. When we were leaving
the bridge the doctor asked me where was the nearest place
to get married at. I told him Sark Bar. He said he would
have a lark there ; and I told him he might get the lines
there by going in for a glass of whiskey. 1 pulled up rather
short of two miles from the Sark Bar. I looked into tha
carriage when I was letting them out, and saw Jones had a
small black bottle, and Mrs. Clayton had a wine glass. On
the road from Carlisle the party kept" skriking', out, and
bursting into loud fits of laughter, more particularly on the
part of the ladies. The doctor (Quick) paid the coach fare.
Cross-examined by Mr. Grocott.—The old lady (Miss
Crellio) when she got out, hung her head down, took hold
of IVl`Gill'S arm, and walked away with him. We were then
at the south side of Sark bar. We could see Gretna Hall
from the place where I set them down. Gretna Hall is
between two or three miles from there. John Linton keeps
Gretna Hall. I looked after them some time. The ladies
walked with them as far as 1 oould see them.

Cross-examined by Mr. 113venport.—I drove them about
seven miles. I thought it was very like a wedding. 1 am
sure the female, Mrs. Clay ton, had a wine glass in her hand
when I looked into the carriage, as before stated. I can't
tell which of the ladies laughed and shrieked out. They
seemed to be enjoying themselves. M`Gill took hold of
Miss Crellin's arm when she alighted. She took his arm as
they went along the road. _ _ _ _ _ _

Mr: Rushton- said that a great portion of the evidence Mr.
Dowling had collected related to the journey back from
Gretna, and he did not think it was necessary to give it.

Mr. Grocott inquired if the priest was brought?
Mr. Rushton said, No; Mr. Dowling had not succeeded

in bringing him

Mr. bowiling said he bad seen the priest, but that he re-
fused to come unless he were paid a considerable sum for
ft, and he (Mr.. D.) was not authorised to pay him so
Mr. Snowball had also seen him.

large a sum

Mr. Snowball said he understood the priest was willing to
come provided he received £2O for himself, and would also
bring his daughter, for whom he wanted £lO. This was to

include all their expenses.
Mr. Rushton said he would be obliged to make his appear-
ance before the proper tribunal.
Mr. Davenport again cross-examined the postboy, rela-
tive to his seeing a wine glass in Mrs. Clayton's hand, but
elicited nothing contradictory of his former testimony.
William George M`Gill, saddler, 7, Molesworth-street,
Dublin. I know John Orr He is the son of a
tailor. I have known him from a boy. His father is dead.
He lived in South Frederick-street, Dublin. His father kept
his carriage and horses in Dublin, and two or three livery
servants.
_ . . _

Cross-examined.—l am no relation to the prisoner. Ile
left a handsome fortune behind him, of which the prisoner
got a share. His father has been dead about 16 years.
Mr. Snowball then called the following witnesses:—
Elizabeth Armstrong said—l am chamber maid at the
Crown and Mitre Inn. The prisoners Clayton, Jones,
M`Gill, Quick, and Miss Crellin came there. I was then
out, but found them there on the evening of the 20th March.
Mrs. Clayton had gone to bed at half past nine.' I lent her
one of my night-caps. She wanted ,me to go down to
the other lady to get her to bed, for she was very tipsy.
When I went down stairs, I got to the sitting-room
door. I saw Mr. M'Gill; he wished me to show him
to. Mrs. Clayton's bedroom, which 1 did. He wished
Mrs. Clayton to come down, but she said she was
going off in the morning. He said that would be
two guineas out of his way. She said that would be nothing
in his way. if he acted as a gentleman, as he said be was.
Ten minutes after I saw Mr. M'Gill coming out of rs.
Clayton's bed-room. Mrs. Clayton was in bed. About M
ten
minutes afterwards I met the waiter taking up two glasses of
brandy and two segars to Mr. M`Gill and Miss Creilin. She
was very tipsy. She could not undress herself. I undressed
her. I lent her a nightgown and nightcap. A short time
after Mr. M'Gill asked to be shewn to Miss Creliin's bed-
. I wished him to go in. I carried the candle into the
room, and set it on the dressing-
table. She was asleep, and
M'Gill said, " She is fast asleep. 1 came out of the room,
and left them in. He did not wish to waken her. He said
to me
She appeared to be very tipsy.
'Her L " Don't waken her."
ess was open at the back, and her hair hanging down.
Davenport.--1 first saw Miss
Cross-examined by Mr.
Crain about ten o'clock on the night of Sunday, the 20th
March. I first saw her in the sitting-room, with M'Gill.
No one else was in the room. I took her up stairs, and left
M'Gill. I did not see her next morning. She did not send
for M'Gill down stairs. She walked by herself, but could
not undress herself. I don't recollect saying to Mr. M'Gill
that the lady will not go to bed unless you go to her.
Wm. George M'Gill was here called, in order to be bound
over as a witness, as he had wished to return to Dublin.
John M'Farlane called.—l am a waite oat he Crown and
Mitre. On Sunday, 20th March, anmnib drove up
us
about five in the afternoon, with all the five prisoners before
named. Mr. Quick was outside, and the others inside. I
looked into the omnibus and saw Miss Crellin lying with her
bead on one of the gentlemen's knees. I think it was M'Gill,
but am not quite sure. She seemed to be asleep. I
assisted them out. The gentleman 'on whose k
ou nee she was
lying said they were at Carlisle, and would go t. he got
up. She appeared stupid, either' from the effects of sleep or
drink. Her dress was much out of order. Her bonnet was
crushed, her boots unlaced, and her clothes unloosed behind.
She went up stairs. She walked up, but staggered a little.
I afterwards showed her a sitting room, and she had a glass
of brandy. She must have had at least six or seven glasses
that evening. She had a glass of brandy next morning. She
was then at breakfast with the other four.
Cross-examined by Mr. Grocott.—She ordered all the
glasses of brandy herself.
By Mr. Davenport.—On the night previous she pressed
upon Mr. Jones to take another glass, and he declined it.
She then asked me if I hat! ever seen so rum a set there be-
fore ? and I said, " Oh, yes, often." She then said she
had got married, and she was determined to have a d—d
good spree. She was about three-quarters of an hour before
she went to bed. She appeared to be very much pleased. She
offered to treat. I declined drinking, and she offered mg a
shilling to get something for myself. Mr. Clayton said—
" Take it ; she is worth plenty more." 1 took it. She at
least appeared to be very merry, and to enjoy herself.
Re-examined by Mr. Snowball.—Yet she was very merry

and very drunk.
John Hawkes.—l am a waiter at the King's Arms, at
Kendal. I recollect Jones,, M`Gill, Quick, Miss Crellin,
and Mr. Clayton coming there on the 21st of March, about
two in the afternoon. They dined there. Miss Crellin ap-
peared to be in a state of stupefaction. Her face was very
red and bloated. She did not eat much. She drank some
sherry. They left by the coach (th.e mail) to Lancaster.
Cross-examined by Mr. Davenport. There were four
glasses of braiuly taken in at dinner, and a pint of
sherry. They all enjoyed the dinner, but Miss Crellin, who
ate but little.

The witnesses who had been examined this day were here
called upon, and bound over in the sum of £lOO each, to
appear at the next assizes, to give evidence against the pri-
soners.

SIXTH DAY'S EXAMINATION-

-SATURDAY.

The Crown Court was, on Saturday, set apart specially for
the hearing of this case, which was appointed to be taken at
eleven o'clock. It was nearly twelve, however, before the
business commenced. Immediately after the doors were
opened, the court was filled in every part, a considerable
number of ladies appearing among the auditory.
Mr. Grocott said he had bail in court for Mr. Donlevy.

Mr. Donlevy was placed at the bar, and the gentlemen
offering bail were questioned and approved of.
Mr. Donlevy's statement, formerly published, was read to
him, and he was asked if he had any thing further to say.
lie said he had one or two other observations to add, and he
proceeded as follows :
•‘ When Mr. M•Gill brought Miss Crellin to our house,
and introduced her, he did so as his intended wife. She
never intended to undeceive us or to undeceive me till we ar-
rived at the. church. That was the first intimation that I had
that she was not in earnest. That is all that I have to say.
It was on the presumption that she had assented to the
marriage that I accompanied her to church."
The bail for Mr. Donlevy was taken, that he should ap-
pear at the nest assizes to answer any bill or bills of indict-
ment that should be preferred against him. He was then
liberated.
At half-past twelve o'clock, 6e prisoners were all placed
at the bar.
,his testimony, given
The Rev. Mr. Stafford being present
on a former day, and already published in our paper. was
read over to him, sworn to, and signed.
Mr. Eaton, solicitor, called and sworn.—l know Miss
Crellin. She called upon me on the 23d of March, about
half-past eleven o'clock, as her professional adviser. There
was some conversation about settlements. M'Gill and Miss
Crellin retired, and had some private conversation. No in-
structions were given to me. The parties told me what was
untrue.
I told them, that, under the circumstances, a deed
of settlement could not well be made without a deed of sepa-
ration. The parties went away. There were two females
there, but I cannot identify them.
Jane Kelly, sworn.—l live at 25, Norton-street, as ser-
vant. I have lived there five months. The house is kept
by Mr. Asburn. Miss Crellin lodged there two weeks. She
went to lodge there some time before last Christmas. She
had two female visitors, one of whom was Mrs. Jones, who
came frequently. She used to come. She had two or three
male visitors. I do not see any of them here.
By Mr. Davenport.—Mrs. Jones did not come every day.
Sometimes she came twice a day. Sometimes she stopped
all day. She was once there to dinner, and three times to
tea. I dont know why Miss Crellin left. One night there
were a gentleman or two there who behaved rudely, and mis-
tress did not like it. She gave Miss Crellin notice. She re-
mained a week after notice was given. She had notice twice.
Sarah Roberts, sworn—l live as servant with Mrs. Mar-
tin, No. 14, Mount—pleasant. Mrs. Martin keeps lodgers.
I remember Miss Crellin lodging. there. She came to live
there the Wednesday before Christmas, and she left on the
Wednesday after. I was there when she engaged the lodg-
ings. There was a young woman with her, named Miss
Jones. I do not see her here. Mrs. Jones said she lived
in Circus-street. Mrs. Jones visited Miss Crellin. She
used to come alone. Gentlemen used to call on Miss Crel-
lin. The prisoner with the Mackintosh used to call on her.
(The witness indicated Copeland.) He was there very often,
and another used to come with him. I do not see the other
now.
By Mr. Grocott.—.Miss Crellin did not keep spirits in the
house ; she used to send out for them. I sometimes went,
and sometimes Mrs. Jones went, and sometimes Miss Jones.
I used to buy a noggin at a time. Not every day. I went
four times one night when I was going to bed. Miss Jones

was in bed with me at the time. She used to get out of bed
to drink it. My mistreset was going to tell her to get it in by
a half-gallon at a time, as it was a disgrace to the house to
get it so often. Miss Crellin left in consequence of that.
don't know Mr. Dryden.

By Mr. Davenport.—She only remained one•week. She
came once afterwards to ask for lodgings, but she did not
come to lodge.

By Mr. Rushton.—My mistress is very ill, and cannot
come. Miss Crellin had missed two sovereigns while there,
and she stated, when she came, that she had come to see if
we had found them. Miss Crellin said they had fallen out
of her pocket in bed. Miss Jones was lying with her at the
time she lost them. he complained of the loss the morning
after. Miss Jones ran away from Miss Crellin the morning
after she left our house.

Joseph Brown, Superintendent of Police in Liverpool.—
I received information, between two and three months back,
that a person named Martin had been annoying Miss Crellin.
I went to the house of Miss Shtton, in Seymour-street.
Miss Crellin was spending the day there. I inquired if she
had been annoyed by a Mr. Martin. She said "Yes." She
likewise stated, that she had been acquainted with him for
some time, and she had entered into a sort of agreement of
marriage with him, but, having heard something to his dis-
advantage, she declined fulfilling the engagement. He then
threatened to enter proceedings against her. She therefore
agreed to give him £2so.—[The above evidence was ordered
to be struck out, in consequence of Copeland not having been
present. It subsequently turned out that Mrs. Jones was
present. The evidence was, therefore, allowed to stand as
against her.]—l had previously seen Mrs. Jones, and she
said Martin was trying to get money out of Miss Crellin,
and she wished something could be done to prevent it. She
remained in the room during the interview with Miss Crellin.
I spoke very severely to Mrs. Jones, on account of her hav-
ing allowed Martin to frequent her house while Miss Crellin
was there. I said it was very improper. Mrs. Jones ad-
mitted that it was wrong. She cried. I asked Miss Crellin
if she would prosecute if I apprehended Martin. She said
no, she would not. On that, I declined further interference,
informing her, that if Martin continued to annoy her, if she
gave us information we would use our best endeavours to save
her from such annoyance.

Mr. Snowball.—l believe at this time the money was paid.
Mr. Rushton.—Tbat does not appear.
Mr. Snowball.—lt appears that the money was paid on the
11th February.

Mr. Rushton.—(To the Superintendent.)—Can you trace
the date ?
Mr. Brown.—l cannot.

Mr. Dowling.—lnspector Edwards, who received the in-
formation, will probably fix the date.
Brown examined by Mr. Davenport.—Mrs. Jones went
and spoke on behalf of Miss Crellin. _ _

Miss Crellin called.—The money was paid at Mr. Jones's
house. I went to Mrs. Clayton's after. I went to Miss
Suttons after that. That was the day when the superinten-
dent called. The money had been paid to Martin. The per-
son who called with Brown was the gentleman whom I called
Mr. Whitty.

Anthony Webster sworn.—l am a car driver. On the day
of the steeple chase I was plying at the Seacombe slip. A
gentleman called me to the Seacombe slip. I cannot say that
he is present. Two ladies and three gentlemen came up.
One of them walked, and the others got in. The first lady
(meaning Mrs. Jones) was one. Miss Crellin was the other.
I was ordered by the gentleman who walked to drive to St.
Paul's Church. I was told to pull up at Sixsmith's. The
gentleman who walked met me at Sixsmith's.' Some wine
was ordered and banded into the car. It was not drank, but
afterwards thrown away. I drove to the church. The gen-
tleman who walked was there as soon as I was. The party
conversed with him a few minutes, but would not get out..
One of the gentleman walked into the church. The others
got out and went into the churchyard. They afterwards all
returned to the car and got in, and I drove to No. 16, Boun-
dary-street. The lady who got out at the church had either
a red cloak or shawl. It was a few minutes past eleven when
I took them from the pier.
By Mr. Grocott.—That was the first fare I had. I had
not taken any drink. I am not mistaken about Sixsmith's.
I know well where it is. _ _

Mr. Daenport.—Miss Crellin got out and walked at
hurch. Mrs. Jones remained in the car.

By Mr. Rushton.—l heard Miss Crellin ask, before they
went into the churchyard, where they intended to go. It was
before they got out of the car. I did not hear the reply. One
of the gentlemen paid the fare.
Thomas Greenwood, landlord of the White Bear, Dale-
street, sworn.—l know Mr. Quick, Mr. M`Gill, and Mr.
Rogerson. I don't know any other of the prisoners. I don't
keow a person named Martin. [Copeland was here pointed
out.] I don't know him. He never staid at our house. I
never left the White Bear to go with him to Hackin's-hey.

Mr. Rushton said this statement affected Jones in conse-
quence of the eVidence in chief of Mrs. Chamley. She had
stated that Jones said Martin was at the White Bear.
Sarah Hodgson, sworn.—l live with my uncle, the last
witness. Witness did not know Copeland.
Mr. Rushton said he had caused proper inquiries to be
made respectin,, Mr. Dryden. He had received a certificate
stating that Mr. Dryden could not leave the house without
danger. The inquiries made showed that this was true. Mr.
Grocott might wish to cross-examine him further, and he
would, if Mr. Grocott thought proper, remand the prisoners,
or a portion of them, in order to give that opportunity.

ML'Grocott signified that this was not nece,sary.
Mr. Heywood Jones, a partner in the firm of Arthur Hey-
wood and Co., was called, and his testimony was read over

and signed.
Mr. Snowball asked Mr. Jones if Miss Crellin had not
money in his bank ?
Mr. Rushton said he could not permit any qnestions as to
money, safe what were just sufficient to support the case.
Mr. Jones had already stated the fact that Miss Crellin had
money in Messrs. Heywoods' bank.
Mr. Snowball said he merely wished to ascertain the fact
and the question was therefore repeated. Mr. Jones replied
that Miss Crellin had money in the bank.
Mr. Rusllton said he had now examined all the witnesses
which the Commissioner of Police had obtained, for the pur-
pose of forwarding the ends of justice. His object in pursu-
ing this inquiry was to investigate the truth as far as possible.
If there were any further witnesses to bring forward this was
the titne.

Mr. Snowball said he had one witness whom he thought it
advisable to call. It was a Mrs. Griffiths, with whom Miss
Crellin lodged before she went to live with Mrs. Jones. The
object was to show that Miss Crellin's habits were not what
had been represented, before she went to Jones's.

• Hannah Griffiths. wife of John Griffiths, Victoria-terrace,
Rathbone-street, called and sworn.—l am the next door
neighbour to Mrs.. Jones. I remembered Miss Crellin com-
ing to lodge with me. She lived with me three weeks, and
left me five weeks before Christmas. She behaved very well
indeed while she lived with me, and was very sober. She be-
haved like a lady, and did not drink at all. All she had was
a glass of warm ale at night when she went to bed, and that
very seldom.

By Mr. Rushton.—l never saw Miss Crellin intoxicated
while she was with me.
By Mr. Snowball.—l saw Mr. Martin during the time she
lodged with me. She went subsequently to lodge at Jones'i.
By Mr. Grocott.—Shc had no visitors while she lived at
our house, and she did not wish any.
By Mr. Davenport.—l recollect her going to Mr. Redish's
to get the rent. She came home about one o'clock in the
afternoon. She was perfectly sober. She told me she had
had a glass of ale. She took another glass of ale to her din-
ner. She sent for a pint, and I had half of it. I liked Miss
Crellin very well. 1 did not keep lodgers, but Mrs. Jones
came to me and asked me to make a bed up for her. I said
I had not been accustomed to lodgers, but 1 would do it for
a night or two. I did so. I said I should be glad if she
would leave my house, because I thought it was too small and
not comfortable enough for such a lady as her. 1 did not say
she was the wickedest woman I ever heard. I will not swear
that I 'did not say so. I do n't remember that I did. I
liked her very well. May be I said so, because I never saw
her go to chapel or church. I talked to Miss. Crellin about
it, but I did not-say so to Mrs. Jones. lam a Wesleyan Me-
thodist. I never saw any wickedness about Miss Crellin save
in her absence from worship. I did not like Miss*Crellin so
well after Mrs. Jones spoke to me about her. Mrs. Jones
said Miss Crellin suspected me of charging more for the tea
which I purchased for her than I gave for it. I liked Miss
Crellin as well as my own mother. I wished her to leave the
house because I was not comfortable, having to sleep up
stairs.

The prisoner Jones complained, that an individual, who
sat near the witness, kept twitching ber dress when she was
about to make an admission favourable to the prisoners.
Mr. Demain, one of the witnesses, said this was the fact,
though the indivichial alluded to denied it.
Mr: Rushton said, if the person had so acted it was ex-
ceedingly improper; and the gentleman was directed to
change his seat.
Mr. Snnwball said, just before he came into court he
received information of a witness who could give very im-
portant evidence. He wished to have the prisoners further

remanded.
Mr. Rushton declined to remand the prisoners further,
but directed that the party should be sent for, when his
evidence could be taken.
John Edwards, Inspector of Police, called.—About six
weeks ago I made a communication to Superintendent Brown,
that I received information from Mrs. Jones that Miss Crellin
bad paid £250 to Mr. Copeland. I made the communica-
tion, I believe, after Copeland was taken on Mrs. Clayton's
charge. Mr. Brown and I went to see Miss Crellin at the
house of Miss Sutton, in Seymour-street. I had previously
seen Mrs. Jones. Miss Crellin came in. Mrs. Jones was
there. There was some conversation touching the money,
but I cannot remember what it was. I was there all the
time. Copeland was in custody at that time, on charge of
having taken £2O from Mrs. Clayton. Miss Crellin was
not willing to appear against him. I told her he was in
custody. A night or two before this, Mrs. Jones met me.
That was the first time I saw her. It was in Russell-street.
She said Miss Crellin had been annoyed by two gentlemen,
and she was at a house in Seymour-street. She wished me
to go about it, as Miss Crellin did not like to go out while
the parties were there. On the morning when we went to
Sutton's, I called at Jones's with Brown. 1 saw Mrs. Jones.
I forget what we talked about.
By Mr. Davenport.—l only went to Jones's once. Mrs.
Jones did not appear concerned, she appeared confused. I
think I said, that I had seen Miss Crellin drunk. I have seen
her drunk. It was at a public•house in company with Cope-
land. It was at Hebblethwaite's, in Church-street, about u
week before I went to Sutton's. Hebblethwaite's is a spirit-
vault. I assisted her out. She could scarcely walk. Miss
Crellin and Copeland and his friend who 'was with him went
away down Bold-street. It was between twelve and one
o'clock in the morning.
There being no other witness present Mr. Rushton said
the evidence taken should now be read over. Some further
witnesses were to be examined, and their testimony could be
taken after• the depositions were read.
Mr. Ellis having concluded reading Miss Crellin's testi-
mony, Mr. Grocott asked Miss Crellin if she had ever told
Mrs. Chorale), that she would have married M`Gill at St.
Paul's Church, had it not been for Mrs. Jones.
Miss Crellin.—l never did.
Mr. Rushton called Mrs. Chamley and put the question
to her.

Mrs. Chamley.—Miss Crellin never made such a remark.
When the testimony of Mr. William Demain had been
read, Mr. Grocott said he believed Mr. Demain had some-
thing to add.
Mr. Rushton asked Mr. Grocott how he was aware of this.
Had Mr. Grocott examined him?
Mr. Grocott.—Yes.
Mr. Rushton.—Any examinations of the witnesses on the
depositions should be taken in open court.
Mr. Grocott.—Mr. Demain wrote a note to me, saying,
that he had further testimony to give, and I was to have seen
him on the subject. He called on me this morning before
breakfast, but I was not in. He has since written a note to
me in court.
Mr. Snowball.—l can only say that Mr. Demain met me
in the street, and said he could have made the evidence
against Mr. Quick much stronger, if he pleased, and now it
appears he has been to Mr. Grocott.
Mr. Rushton.—(To Mr. Demain.)—What is it you wish
to add ?
Mr. Demain.—l did not know whether I had seen M'Gill
and Miss Crellin go down Kirkdale-road together the day
but one after the return from Gretna.
Mr. Rushton.—What induced you to call on Mr. Grocott?
Mr. Demain.—A lady at the house which 1 have named
said she had seen M'Gill and his intended the night but one
after the return from Gretna walking down Scotland-road
together.
Mr. Rushton.—ls that all the evidence you have to add?
Mr. Demain.—Yes.
Mr. Rushton.—That is not evidence. (To Mr. Grocott.)
If you wish that to be taken down, you must call the lady.
Mr. Grocott.--I have no wish to have it taken down.
Inspector Canipbell was called, and his evidence, given on