The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-05-05 00:00:00

THE STATFAMAN:

had been defended upon the principle, that as there
was • certain quantity of vice in all communities, a
Minister was justified in turning to his own account 11
what be could not extirpate. Bet too doctrine, that
private airrs wets public benefits bad been com-
pletely exploded. It might be said, that the
transaction seaprclistg the Lottery did not arise from
Missisiers 'tentative*. liot it was an eltLeuvl • tree
*+f I% qef Odd per allure, fedi per sr; and It
was a als a and • naiades' that the Muse or
SE* Goternl ens should senetioe • such procood.l
logs. The a
...ton was also bed as a meesere of
tipsier.; for wilat was morally wrong could never 1
he politically right. Direct pleader was little bet.
ter than this mode, by which a man was mode to pay 1
1001. for 11. that be received. The system was also
essconstitettorud, hove the powers entrusted to the
gents of the Lottery ; as nembers were imprisoned
ins consequence of the comenseierttioes of cements its.
formers. Th. System was also pregnant with freed.
Should a Lottery be to In drawn is three days, the
•esettital helpmate was, that eine-third of the tickets
shoold be dt ion each day. Rot in the Lottery ef
1519. net of 9000 tickets, 300 only were drawn
the first day, though the price had been raised en
the second day front 191. • ticket to 401. 14e.; and
on the second day only 1250 tickets bad been drawn,
leaving 6100 to be drawn on the third day, though
on that day the price had been raised to 291. 10a. the
ticket. Stab conduct was • direct chest upon the
People. The tickets had formerly been drawn by
two blee.eoat boys, bet the Governors of Christ's
Hospital had interfered, and pot a stop to the prac-
tice. He bad been lately at Coopers' Hall. and saw
i 0 boys In the dress of the scholars of Christ's
Hospital, but was straggly Inclined to think it wet
a deception spots the Public. The system of the
• Lottery also led to gross superstition, front the lists
banded shoot of lucky numbers. An inhabitant of
Biddeford,in Devonshire, got • share of • prize in the
Lottery; end a friend of his passing through the vil-
lage, found the bells riogisig, as if for s victory ; and
this was in consequence of the men making all his
neighbours drunk. A similar circemstance had taken
piece in Sitellield, and must ruinous speculations in
the Lottery had been the consequence le both places.
In the Lottery Schemes, that was called a prize where
• mars tad only lost hell his motley; and a man was
said to gaits • prize when for '2Ol. he received 101. In •
Lottery of s given number of tickets, the number of
prizes had beets steed at 2985, bet of that nesoisr
TRIO were prizes of 101. RP real number of prizes was i
only 53 No system of Rambling enfold be more shame-
ful. 11.11 of the nisch' effects of the system
ought to be put down ; every year the Public ells
pleedered to the amount of 6 or 700,0 LO!. and
the advsotage to the revenue bore no proportion
whatever to the injury done to the Public. He
trusted the Public would at length take op this sob-
ject• ft had been said, thy the Public were retort:.
less of it, because so few Petitions had been present.
aol against it. This was • circumstance he could ant
@crown for, exrept by supposing, that the influence
of Government was earned to prevent such Velitians
being presented. The Hon. Gentleman conduct,'
by moving • Resolution expressive of the opinion of
the Hesse on Lotteries ; namely, that they were an
enceetsgeineut to gaming, and destructive of the
morels of the People ; and, therefore, that the Houk.,
would not, is future, sanction Lotteries ender any
regulations whatever.
The CHANCELLOR of the T:XCIIEQUER
thought the House were obliged to the tionourabi.
Geutlemen for a very intermitting speech. It had
not, however, convinced him ; nor did be believe it
would consists this Mose, that, in the present state
of the finances of the reentry. we could afford to
give op a tat which the Public imposed voluntarily
on then selves, and which produced near 300,0001. a
year. If, indeed, the system of the Lottery was es
the Honourable Gentleman had described it—a sys-
tem of fraud and gambling, he should egret with him
that no revenge could compensate the evil. Bet he
could not agree its this OPSeritotl of the llonousahl•
Creamily ; and he could tint see any objection to e
system by which the mechanic was allowed to risk a
Smell posting of his turnings or his savings in a ape-
cobalt's in tshira he had the chance of great gain.—
The Right llonnereble Gentlemen denied that the
Lottery was so encouragement to gaming, or that
the prosecution for Illegal practices connected with
the Lottery were encreased ; on the contrary, they
had diminished, and, in the course of lust year,
amounted to truly IS in number. Ile defended the
system upon latch the Lotted., were (Iran n ; and,
In answer to the cijsctions of the Ilou. Gentleman to
Prizes being given an %Ville, he said they mete iu no
way connected with the connect for the Lonery, bet
were a gift. Riven spontaneously by the Cot tract/we
to the Public. On ■ view of the subject, and a due
consideration of the Ilunctershle Gentleman's speech,
he could not agree to relinquish so I.rge a portion of
the ell at the peseta moment.
Mr. ELLIS ouppotteil the :tesolution. _ _

Mr. BUXTON'tdoserted, the Chancellor of lb.
Exchequer Lad put this question' into a plain
shape. In adhering to ins tax of 300,0001. he h•d
not attempted to deny oral the system of Lotteries
was distractive of the mor.is of the People. Ile hid
only said, it was not so had as his Ilan. Friend had
described it to be. The question, therefore, was,
whether ne country was io such a desperate sites; ill!.
as to he und►r the necessity r,f bartering the morals of
the Peuple for 300,0001. llis lion. Friend had &id,
he persoually knew no instance in which speculations
in t:le Lottery had invulred individuals in ruin; be
only knew them by ',poet. But he (Mr. Buxton)
mold state an instance in his own knowledge.—
Ile recollected, souse years ego, a country •iltage,
in which there was • Ileutfit Club fttablisbed,
into which the poor of the 'Wage rczularly paid
the* weekly subsetiptiaiis to forma fund to r:tr•et the
demands of sickness •nd age. In t:.a neat tillage
some individuals formed a Lotter• Club, aril were so
singularly fortunate, that they got a pit, of ;;Cull.
The ;denial; news soon reached the sillage iu which
the Benefit Clcb vas thriving surely thou4h slowly ;
but this sadden iodise of fiches which had thes
petered into the pockets of their neighbourA, ten.
doted them dissatistiod with their Bermes Society,
the boa of rebid was broken open, and the capital
was invested its lottery-tickets. At this time be
lost sight of both dabs for fifteen ): ars; bat •
abort time ince his made some enquiries ow tire sub.
jest; ellen be Need Wan the Week S;ci•ty had

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bean PMStay enfottenele, they bed hod a greet
majority of blinks; when they let s prize they seto
dens get more than half their seamy back, which
was Fe-invested, • blank was the predate, end Ike
whole *as Inst. The Minefit Society was broken up;
and many pompon• who bet for this ruinous Joists,-
tion would halo had • comfortable little store were
now, ill their old age, taking yeller front the parish.
Thelion. GOllliefllSO then proceeded to reed several
Lottery. 4 hem's. and•couteeded that the whole wes
• system of fried and delusion, operating inset ruin-
ously on the eni.ltilin4 and lower times of the toes-
inanity. Ile was convinced very few mews robbed
their toasters. witiout eta 'pointing on investigation
that he had been concefrod in Lotteries. it was the
sane with respect to 1 %Amin,: he had Mewl( the
intreitigeion of a bankrupt's estate lately, who had
not tt.shittioe iu the pound co pay his creditors; this
wan, it appeared, had got together from his cre-
ditors four hundred poivi.ds, every farthing of which
had been squandeied in Intir•y ',clots. No as
(-veld, in his opinion, make amends for thee. veils;
and therefore be should aeppert his Iles. Friend's
Resolution.

Mr. PARNELL also ispenried the noweitoe.
He entered into a review of the systr nt.of Lotteries,
which he condemned as a system of rising stoney
most dm...tractive of the mor)l6 of the People. The
Right Hon. Gentleman (tl• Citincellor of the Ea-
chequer) spoke in Li:h elk of Lw►riea. Ile was
not to the bthit of skin for the tenets of Gower.-
men, ; but he should now like to ask she Right Hon.
Gentlemen, whether he ever howght a ticket, or
vent•red any money in this ad►antageous ventila-
tion which he so much amiriired. The amocellor of
the Eachrtquer had onemerated ssiongst the idlest.
tages smiting from Linteries, that it had dome away
Litile.Goes. Was it necessary to establish a Great.
Go to swallow up these Litmle.Goes?
Mr. Alderman WOOL) denied that that. Lottery
had the effect of cherkioe Litilim.Goes,on thecontrary
it encouraged this ruinous system of gaining. Ile had
seen a variety of instances of the truth of what he
now stated. One instance had escorted in his own
family :—• favourite servant of bis,who received mere
wages than any other on his establishment. had on.
fortunately fallen antler the indeence of this Writes
anion ; the result of which was. that he, after plan.
daring his wife and family of all their comforts, and
stripped his house of every portable article of limi-
ter., to supply himself with money for gaining in a
tertniosted his carte► in • work-house,
where he, at an early age, fell a victim to (Avert, end
distrems, dais brought epos himself. Ile could not bet
repress his mnise at the sapper' given by the Chan-
crle.ur t f the Esc!iequer, who.. character for sterility
stood deservedly so high, to *Mimic The It'ght Hon.
Gentlemen hail lately gives 1,000,0001. to build
churete3 104,411411M5, ha was encouraging a system
which, in many instances, did sot' leave the poor a
garmenttego t.. church lit.

Mr. WILUEItI'ORCE also strnngly reprobated
the tyclesi of Lottetier, es one wbich encouraged
irsuibiiug ■ud crime of every description. H. was
of opinion no ee drawn from it could make
amends for the evilr of which it was prodectim—
There was scarcely any tea to which hi *sold not
*Omit in Hee of it ; end, indeed, be theeebt it
%wild be entair to ~k the Chancellor of the Each.-
quer, ander ezistiog circumstance's, to give op • pro-
doetise tat without pointing oat another to be adopt-
ed in its steed.

Mr. CANNING coshd not think goy green& bed
been mode out a t.ich entitled the House to mill on his
Right lion. Friend to Ore op thi, vas ender existing
circumstances ; or n Pre there any nu for loading
the present Chancellor of the Exchequer with alI the
blame of imposing • vas, one of the oldest in the list
of tales. Now it was proposed to give up this tat
because it was immoral; bet no other was proposed
more moral in its runs. IBS lion. Friend must be
aware this was not the only immoral tea which it
was wanted to get rid of. It hid been proposed to
rep's! the Solt Tat, the Leather Tax, the Tex on
Spirits in Ireland, and to.night a preposition was to
be made to repeal the %1 isidow Tax in Ireland.—
Thls repeal, er proposed repeal, of tales by different
Gentlemen, who did not condescend to propose any
b►tter, if adopted, would have the effect of presenting
Government going en in any hands. With respect
to the system of Lotteries, he could not consider It
as se productive of immorality as the elf of spirits,
y►t no one proposed to put an end to the lazing
epiritous liquors. It bad been objected against Lot-
teries, that the shares were too small. Ile rreol.
lected, when the tirkeis were divided into Gith
shares, they had been done .way ; and if it was con•
tended. shit the practice of dividing tickets into 16th.
shield be pet an end to, he Witted his Right lion.
Friend had no objection to such en eneodatest of the
system.
Mr. WODF.HOUSE would consent to a modified
Property Tat, but be never would consent to a Lot-
tery Tes ; which not wily d►moralized the People,
but even led them to the C 001490011 of suicide. lie
could not consider the lex on brothels, which pre.
sailed no the Continent, as near an objeetiooeble.
Mr. PLUNKE FT said, his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Canning) hod not denied the fact that crime
arose not of this tax ; bet be bad said the State want.
ed money, and therefore most submit to the crime.
Ile denied this. The question was net one of re.
venue, bet one of the 'smuttily of Ole Hesse of Com.
(APIs!. His Right Hon. Friend bad talked of the age
of the at, mod of the crime, and said it had existed
eines the Revelation. If it bail existed eines the
Ifirendation of the world, be could not consider that
as a reason why a Horse of Commons should still,
ohsrquioea to the swishes or oecessities of a Minister,
' continue it.

Lo.d CASTLERFACU denied that the system
lowerios mil" its itself a crime, thotigh crime might
arise . at of it. So might crime and "base ease out
or any tag; god if Gentlemen would thus study to
di's-osier objection' to tales, they might god so many,
that the revesios, and with it the signer of the Slate,
would also disappear. Ile was as ready as any man
costs] be to acknowledge it was the defy of Goirete-
ment to uphold She morals of the country; bet it
wss ale., their ditty to protect the revenue; upon
doing which, he would also contend, that the morels
of ibe country mainly depended.
Mr. F. MUG LASS supported the Resolution
now moved, and fully agreed in ell the objections
against tisc tat. Unstinting se his side of the Ilene

het i bens seineed of not propoelog say thing is lie*
.f this tat; Mod had done so four years ado, when
they proposed a redaction of the army, and the in-
troduction of economy into the public espeoditure.
This tax had been likened to a Ms epos, geeing.
houses, which primalle4l generally, abroad. Ilst the
case was different there ; the tax was imposed on the
keeper of the go.saing-bosse. Here the Chancellor
of the Embequer was himself the keeper of the
gaiming.knom.
Mr. WILLIAMS supported the Resolution.
A MEMBER. whose name we did not know,
entered late a reties, of foreign Lotteries. Toe
tarot* to the Public. in England, upon Lotteries
wit in the portion of one-tbird ; in the Genoese
Lott►ry it was only one-fifth, and in the Swiss Lot-
tery one-tenth only. Upon what ptinelple, be would
ask, tomtit English Lotteries, then, be defended ?

Mr. RICARDO also supported the Resolution.—
considered Lotteries .as most destructive to the
morels of the lower classes of the community.
Mr. TIERNEY. en the best consideration he
could give to the subject, meld not bet consider a
sum of 250,0001. thus porchased, as badly, not to sa)
disgracefully, obtained. es far as the character of lb.
cnohiry was concerned. Ilewoald be sorry to she
any thing from oho Government at this time; bet, In
fact, the sem in question was nothing in cnniparisois to
our espenditere. If this tat was given up for the sake
of the character of the country. let the I.nan for the
year be 20,250.0001. instead of 20,000,Q,,11. and all
inconveni►nce mould be at an end. The Right Ilan.
Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Etchequer) had,
however, drawn a great prise in the ',query to-night
—a greater than if he had got the 20,00111.—he had
drawn on himself the admiration of the President of
the Board of Contrite,. The Right Ifonoorable Chan-
cellor of the I.:retrieve might be induced to depend
on this great wise; bet he would, if he did. find it a
Little-Go ; ao.d OOP in which if he 'alb/irked he might
live to repent.--(A Letigzh)—Astothertstraordiwn y
circumstance alsn attended this discussion. It tees
the fine in which his Majesty's Ministers had, tiering
the 'neared Session, beets found to agree ; and on
what question was It on which this unanimity pre-
vailed why, a question in which Om moral character
of the country sass put in one scale and 25(:,0001. in
the other, and the unanimity was in f f the
latter.

Mr. HUSK ISSON upposoil the Resolution. Ile
could not ogree to a diminution of the revenue, cud
an hien/maw/of the If this easy way of rainier
the sum in question was now adopted, the propteti.
lion on the nu•st question would be to add 300.00)I.
more to the Loan, end has get rid of sisal disagree-
able impost, the Window Tat in Ireland.
Mr. TIEItNEY captained.
Mr. I.YTTE uroN shortly replied ; and the /hew
then divided—
F.•r the Mottos St I Atiliti4 it M.

On the motion of 16. .11IJTCIIINSON, there
was ordered to b. laid before the [loose ■ Fletarn of
ell Persons employed by the Allen 017ce ; will.
their Salaries ; end of ell persons sent net of the
Kingdom since IbIG, ender the operation of the
Alien ALt.

Sir G. HILL pres,nterl a Petition from London-
derry against the repeal of the Window Tat.
Alf. SHAW (of Deblin) sold. that the question
for the rep►al of the Window Tea of Ireland was
one of such grrat importance, that at this hoar he
could not therk of briuging it forward.—[Grit: of
" Go on "']
Lord CASTI.F.REAGII said, that mailer, of
sore importance had been brought on or a late hoer.
Sir J. NEWI'M r hoped his lion. Friend would
not bring on a question of such importance.
The snolion nos then postponed till to-morrow.
Lease was given to bring in ■ Bill to present oho
sale of poisonous substances, soles. ender purticulat
eiseamstanees.

The Holyhead Road Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Committee on the Lend Tat Commissioners
rill we* postponed till blenday next.
St, 11. PARNELL said, he had to give notice that
be would move In bring in a Bill to enable the Cs.
tholica to meet in their several pariah churches, as
Protestant I)t•sentera, and to keep 'chive's
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
gave notice fur Thar-day, of a motion for leave to
bring in • Bill to make the 90001. a-year, pair;oli.
tally Riven op by the 41vey•is Camden, as one of
the •tellers of the Exchequer, available to the public
service.

Mr. Clarkson, from the Insolvent D•hton' Covert.
pr►sented a (town of all persons who Lire peivimi-
rd to be discharged since 1815.
Or the motion of Mr. Alderman WAtIIiNIAN,
the papers were ordered to be r•fer'.d to the Com-
mittee on the Insolvent Debtors' Act.—Ordered.
Adjoereed.

A CAtrrtox —The Public have lung b.on
eti upon. by the Guide of asap Minn manufactoreil
of inferior materials, to cover the detention of bring
sold upon cheap terms; but the follooriug simple ex-
periment will dowel the imposition, sod pen.. that
Remain, poop, from its superior quel.ty sod strength
in wasbl:ig, is the cheapest.

Emus.Exe.—Tekekelf an nonce of soap, rut
it smell, and melt it in buff • pint of boiling soft
water; put it in s pail, and, with a dot place of world,
gently stir op the liquor to raise a lather, then add
half pint measures of boiling water, and keep stirring
each spssatity as it is added, until the immure 'Tares
to raise a strong frothy lather. Lin particular in sof-
flag down the 'somber of belt pints of water used,
before the froth begins to disappear, for then the soap
has token at mock water as its strength will hear ;
and by thus comparing soups of different mans:lac-
Wars, that which will take lb. greatest quantity of
water is the most genuine.

'lO TRY TIM QUALITY OF SOAP—Take two
emotes of any pimp, rut it mull, and put it into a
pint bison; 611 it fall of bniting liver, and stir it
till the snap is dissolved ; thew
a little distance from the bra for 12 hoses; th►n take
it away, and let it cool end settle; tarn it not on a
plate, and all tholosporitim of the soap will be found
at dm bottom: good snap Amid bass no sediment.
It was Lord NORNAWIT.eIdoet son of the Earl of
Mu:mates, and not Lord Motimecti tur.ts. who
spoke in farrier of the Catholic Claims immediately
after Mr. LuLls Form.

IS TN' FIRM' r rui:sl)t
TwOr PRISES OP 411).1):3) Airs r ws:
Pitil.ll.4 o .1- Eici:lT PRl7,l'‘‘ or
£l.lll. X 1,00.). AND I:10, he. At— %ND ONLY 10,1100
11(11(1,1,4.