The Statesman.
London, England, 1809-08-03 00:00:00

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Q. What time in the site, noon of the 12th of
April were you directed with the Unicorn to the
Attack of the enemy t A. As fluor as 1 can rccul.
feet, about half. past two o'clock.
Q. Were the three ships of the enemy that
were on shore nifon the Patois shoal on that day,
and which afterwards gut utf, at any time in a
position to he attacked. I 111C.111 (ruin the depth
or water round them ? A. There u crc two ships
afloat itrior to the frigate. g..iug in, And the ene-
my's snips ashore and upright, and her broadside
to the entrance of the anchorage in Aix 'toads.
The three enemy's ships on shore appeared to me
nut to tie in a position to admit ut 411 attack on
town by any of the British ships.
Q. %Vas every earl titan used, according to your
judgment and observations, by evtry flip and
vesail sent itt to the attack of the enemy ? A.
To the best of my judgment envy exertion
was used by. the Uritudi ships and vessel: that
could be.

Q. Under all the circumstances of the wind
and tide, did it appear to you on the morning of
the litis of April, whets tbo enemy's ships were
on shore, and the signal had been made that pert
of the Vet could destroy them, there was, on
sly part, any neglect or unnecessary delay for
taking ItgllCtliOl measures to destroy the enemy ?
A. 1 do nut kuuw of any neglect ur unnecessary
ddlay. •
Q. (37 the CovoT.) from the first attack of
the enemy's ships to the time of your leaving the
11,istpc Wads, was there, to the best of your
judgment, every thing dune that could be dune
to elect their destruction ? A. I think there
was, up to the 26th of April, when I left Basque
Roads.
4. -Was the Unicorn anchored with the rest of
the sqoadruii on the 13th of April, ou the edge of
the Pilais shoal ? A. Yes, site was.
Q. Were the brigs, sloops, slid gun-boats
VAISCNI nearer to thi, enemy than the attacking ,
ships ? A. To the best of lily knowledge noise
of the brigs except the Beagle naS in the advance'
of the British ships during the attack of the 12th.
Thu Beagle continued under weigh Laween the
enemy and the attacking frigates. •
Q. Hid the Beagle appear to you to be as far
adrinceil toward the dirtily as the depth of water
wuuld admit of her being A. Nut lia•iit4
sounded any distance betas deli the Unicorn anal the
enemy, I cannot say whether the depth of water
would have ad.nittcd the Beagle to hart: closed
mere with the enemy.
4. How much nearer to the en-my than the
frigates do you suppose she was ? A. -fu the beat
of my lodgment three or (Jur ship's length.
Q. Did she anchor? A. No ; I did nut ob-
serve her on the Ott:nitwit of the 12th.

Q. Did she engage the enemy ender ? A.
Yes, she dikl, and l bdiuvu conduits d so engaging
until the gencr4l firing ut the Walsh squaitrun
CC.J SO •

Q. Ir.vs the &ugh: phced between the British
'hips an.l the ships of the enemy aground, and being
under sail, subject 4t any time, in your apprelten.
•
mon, to receive ally dint ige by the shot of the
rAgtish ,hills A. I thank she was; tint fam
Mit certain that she rei.eivett any from them.
Q. Front the lime of the Commander in Chiefs
*writ itt 'bisque Roads till your le.', ins it, can
you %WC any tstatans.vut tteglcct or misconduct in
his proceedings fur the arlvaulage ot the public
service ? A. I, c.tnnot. Thu Utticurit was the
advance friilto (rota Ilse tidy of aimboriug iu
Basque Ruud., tilt the afternoon of the 12th of
April.
Q. Ware the exertions of the brigs and small
vcsselsoontintted after the 12th of April for the de-
• struetiorrof the enemy's ships, until thry'hatl re.
moved entirety out of their reach T A. From the
13th of April until the Unicorn'. leaving Asyut:
goads, I have no reason to Immo...qv there was any
emit ur exertion on the part of the brigs and its.
sills. t bellow they continued to lire. It cost.
tinder' to blow (boring thc time so strong, that
stnAll vessel,' often to nut procriAl in their ',pe-
r ab tn..

C4itisiss Sarmetne, of the Pallas; sxorn and

Q. (37 Lnrd GAmsien)—What time In the

MAN.

afternoon of the lcith of April were you directed,
or did yria proceEd with the Pall4s to the attack
of the enemy's ships' A. About a quarter after
two o'clutk.

Q. Do you remember seeiug the posiiiin et the
enemy's fleet on that Morning, and whether there
were any of them afloat at their anchorage? A.
Two ships were aflost there—the Rear-Admiral
and Commodore.

His Imrtiship then put the levers! questions,
which were answered by Captain flattlantan, to
this white+, ; which were muttered precisely to
the same effect as to the operations of the in-shore
squadron, and the movements of the enemy's ships.
Q. (By the Covnz.) When the ships of the
line left Aix Roads, did the Pallas go out with
them ? A. She did not.

Q. On the morning of the 13th or April were
there any of the enmity's ships which remained
within reach of shot from the l'alias A. No,
not by • very congiderable distance.
Q. Was the Pallet thee In the situttiull In which
she was when she eniaged the enemy on the 12th
A. She was not; but muvcd on the precedingeven.
ing into deeper water.

Q. Were any of them within gun.shot of
the situation front which she removed ? A. No.
The COURT then continued to examine this wit.
Webs in a manner similar to the timer witnesses.
His answers were to the same effect, adding, that
circumstances I►ad occurred aft. rwards which
proved that the Regulus might .have been at.
tasked by small vessels. She wits on shore under
the battery.
To the question respecting the general conduct
of the Conta►ander in Chief, and the general con.
duct of the ships and vessels employed in the ope.
ratio's' at Basque Roads, he expressed his st.ong
conviction, as far as he could presume to express
an opinion on such a subject, that the conduct of
the Commander in Chief was must zealous and
meritorious ; and that the conduct of the vessels
was such as to impress on his mind the strongest
sensation of satisfaction and admiration, from the
lime of their elitratice into Basque Roads until the
departure of the Commander in Chief frum Basque
Roads. There had been thither neglect or unne-
cessary delay, nor hail a single exertion been
omitted by the Commander in Chief that could
feud to the eventual success of the British um.
drone

Capiain Newcomer., of the Beagle, was then
sworn and examined— Lieutenant HA WI( I Ns, Cap-
tain KERR, Admiral Stursonto, and Cipta4l
WoLFE, re-Ctaillified-111441 Captain MALCOLM
sworn aad examined.

At five o'clock, finding it impossible to get
through the rest of the evidtmee this day, the
Court adjoorned till to.tnorrow.

CONCLUSION of the PROCEEDINGS at the
COUItI'ofCO.VMON COUNCIL yesterday.

Mr. Aldermin A MISS, in cestlmiation.

" Sately we should pause before we come to such a cosclu•
sion : speaking for myself, I have no hesitation in confessing
that my ability is not eqnal to the task of proceeding with
that celerity which is proposed by this Resolution, to remote
Ia the nom Ministers wbu have embryo heard before us. Be-
*ides, it is nut the purpoic fur which Ibis Coast is professedly
assembled we did not come here to-day, to pronimac"
apse the King's Ministers. bet to consider the pro.
primy or the impropriety of remindiog our wins user rerpect-
Mg indhideal. And now we are called upon, by a side
wand. to vete quite smother matter. Indeed. my Lord Mayer,
I cannot help asklag whether this it net a trap hild to catch
the mweeeffiewdemen who were not aware of it ? TM, seems
to be mooing riot with thing►. lam ready to my that
the veer attitatsks to Mr. Wyllie ought net to be reminded on
accost of arty thing that has yet transpired ; bat I cannot
Assent to the proposition which goes the len;th of extending
our thanks to that Gentleman on :account of his statement in
the House of Commons, of matter in which there may be it
seeing in the public exp.nditurr, because that matt is not,
at pirwnt. before us. nor does it follow that every saving is
economy. If you diminish your evisblishincist, you nifty dioni-
nish your expellee ; but it dews not thence ncc►ssarily follow
that you irnprove your condition. If I put down my carriage,
which, a: far as regards msself, I might do, because, thank
God. I can walk, 1 might save some expense, bat I do not
think it would improve the rendition of my family ; and so
it tans he in some parts of the esprniitore of this country,
the particulars of which I am not now dismissing—they are
topics w hich we are not culled upon to disco-s; and the Court
will pardon me if I Sushi its competence to such a disco:shin.
The great objection I have to it is, that we were not brought
here for this purpose ; if we pawl this Resolution. it will ap-
pear to the public that we were brouilst together for one pur-
pvse, and have been entrapped into another. I came here to
enter my protest against rrwiniting the vote of thank• to Mr.
Wardle, but I mast likewise protest :tgainst the Resolution
sow propo.e.l."

Mr. Cf. ARK,' admitted that the Vote of Thaoss to Mr.
Wardle ou,;ht not to be eiakeo, hut thought the present Itrso-
lutioa went to approve of the whole of his subsequent coo.
duct, *proposition to which he did nut assent, and therefore
st 'sued it to ue withdrawn.
Mr. 1111.1.104. Nod. that w of the conduct
of Mr. Wisrdic sithicqueot to I.le Vote of Tiialt6 of this
Court to him, in the light of Debtor and Creditor ssith the
p_elsbc, there was a very large balance in favour of that
Gentleman.

Mr. M.\ IS MAN cnatenJed tint this Resolution iris such
as ought not to be innetioned by this Cnrpnr.►tion under the
resent eirrunotances.—lle never would give his rapport to a

Ilrselution so drawn—the sense he bad of the ditnity of "thr
Cot poratino—the rezard he had for his own individual ehs-
ractrr, forbade his ii,sent to h.—lle objected to the Manse
in n hich it was brought forward ; it came by snrptine--so-
tice should have been even of it manfully, that the Court
'might Isere been convened fur the purpose of dismissing h—
aus was indirect and insidious—be Mild protest wing it as
nn individual.

Mr. Alderman 000DBEHERE said, that the general
%indent was nnw oianifest as to the Yone of nooks postal
io favour of Mr. Wardle—that wrh Vote sight ant Go be
rescinded—bat, said the worthy Alderman, I bore oilomal
rt abatis to this Court for thinking that It Ma not rue the
whole length which it ought W go if favour of Mr. Wardle,
for 1 Itairestated facts to the credit of Mr. Wardle. othith
he stilted in the Hear of Corson* In the advantage at the
public. which have bee, verified by uslo teq uollt emits, aid
from hicooduct on Hutt occasion, mimed aber.t-
limo bare olthudy taken places and codokkitotion of
which. 1 my. talk oa 114 to nark Ma costlifet Otkh aiditiodhl
approbattom--(Brotot, /moo f &knee. liS. .li—ll most.
therefore. petsist filmy Atomodment,mositllotiondlokt the /Is.
cosmos lit of us, worthy tricot/ spas ihe door (Mr. Mam-
mas); l diens hie tricadship highly, aid I timid with do ewe

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his sasistasee. de *sold, at any lime, be a very sseitil lox-
Wary toasty one whose wino* he shoal l be pleased to es-
posse; but if! cacaos have hh viloabie aid,l must go on as well
as l'ftm able, without it. and he mutt allow me to differ Deal
him in orbited epos the pretest ones ion, and to s.ty th it it
is my privileateto decide on what coarse I shall take now,
wahout dictation from any quarter, boom.: atecte.ble
that may be; and I asap well COD9ineeti of the propriety of
what I now offer, that I sot only trust the Court will adopt
it, bet I persuade myself that if I bad the pleasure of
speeder that worthy Member, and of discoing this matter
with him in private, I should base obtained his assent to it.
(No, no, sail Mr. Mcnornan.]
Mr. Alderman COOD BE H ERE praeecded—" I still re-
tain my opinion ; for I know his feelines, and I know bow
grateful he Is to those who serve the public. and V/ e all know
that gratitude In good nines a feeling that will not bear COM-
pressiun—it is of syr.':heoes growth as well as of expansive
notate. -nri delight. in eiereise. Then would my worthy
Friend wish to cheek its growth, or destroy its lustre? -No.
There is a bmiity is desetved praise, whieh I am confident
my Worthy Friend would not diminish, and vet be now ap-
pears to wish to du away the effect of those praises which
Mr. Wardle has so well deserved, and this would have a very
unfavoer effect on the minds of those who are not much
in the habit of thinking for themselves; unless we took care
to counteract it I say, then, Vial Mr. Wardle studs in tl
Situation peculiar to himself; that he came firikard. and,
6r a while, stood alone; had no party, and hardly an Mai,
vidnal to support him, in his endeavour to expose corruption
is the management of our public affairs. I say that be has
had no other reward fur all his labours, successful as toey
were, than the approbation and esteems if Ma Public. Ile
has had neither place nor petition, nor tie reversiva, no"- the
promise of a reversion of place or peatioo.—He therefore
stands before us with peculiar claims to our countenatice and
supp rt ; he hal indeed high claims, sit only on our geaero-
-1 say, bet on our justice j let us encourage bits to peewee-
' ranee in his object. I therefore, with that vie*, stall per-
sist in recommending my proposition to the adoption of BSI
Court. Here the Worthy Alderman's Amendment was read
by the Recorder, as already stated.
Mr. At AWM AN then expressed his *Monti meat that the
Worthy Alderman persisted to what appeared to hint (and,
he hoped, to the Court) a very extraordinary course of pro-
ceeding. All 'Cat be had 101. w do, with a view of coun-
teracting it, was to move an Amendment upon this Remit-
lion, which was to move, that aft( r the word " That," all be
left out, and the folio% log be inserted in their stead :—" This
Court duth nut see any mows for rescinding the Vote passed
on the 6th of April last, of Th.stiks and Gratitude to Gw !LIM'
LLOYD WARDIE, Esq.
Mr. SAMUEL DIXON said, that this Amendment Ras 99
plain, that the meanest capacity in the Court must 6oderstaod
it, and it had his assent in preference to that which it was it!
object to supercede—a prop.rsition so long, so complex, on
beirtAtered,sulk h farrago, that he dmibled whether any body
imileistood it thoroughly; and, at the same time, foreign to
the avowed purpose for which the Court met.—Tbe purpose
for which the Members of. the Corporative came together
was, to we whether there wet, or was not, Umtata for rekind-
le* she Vote of Thanks to Mr. Wardle; and this proposition
nos, seder pretence of an Amendment to another proposition,
to ensure the whole of the Administration of the Country
ender the heart of a string of assertion, unconnected with the
avowed purpose of the Court.
Mr. WAITHMA\ said, that the last Amendment, under
peeteoce of moaning the Coed to the purpose of its Meeting,
was much more amercing of the titles( a trap than the pro-
position of his worthy friend, Mr. Md. Goodbehere, for the
teal purpose of the Meeting of the Court was, to eaovass the
conduct of Mr. Wahile since the Vote of Thanks. The
Court bad dace so, and it appealed, Is the course of that io-
qairy, repots& recital of facts, that such conduct had been
ht O meritorious and beneficial to the Public ; and the
dear of the Resolution was to express that feeling. The
almleocy of the Amendment was, to prevent that justice being
duke to Mr. Wardle, under pretence of friendship to him.
hare tee been tkarged, said be, with being a party man,
but Dow lam charged with being of no party. Thus it to
that we have sees party nee make a noise ab?ot cor-
ruption, until they can create discontent enough is tt.e
Public to turn out an Adiniaisration, and get to m-
;selves into it, and then they are contented, while 11.0
people are no better of than before; but if you attack
Corruption itself, lowed of only attacking those who feed.
opon it, then you have all parties •poo your back, because
you are destroying their food. Thus hale I met my CWI4
(Mr. Manama) at the 11 tug Club (Sr it is not evety Mem-
ber of the Whig Club that is a Whig, believe roe)—l am a
Whig certainly ; I was taught in the Whig School princip:eo
ohms seated his Majesty's-illustrious Haase ape' the Thro..e
of these realms. But I have met men at the Wbig Club, alms
came torte to follow Charles Fox,. and would follow any
Fox, if they thought they would get any Hung by it ; but
who would not follow you an inch on the road to destroy
corruption itself, although they would cry nut against the
thing, fur the sake of turning out tho9f. %he profited by it,
mod get in themselves. Nay. they would oppose you, as they
do sometimes iu the licese of Cowman, with professed
friendship and real haters!, by the Dl,* of an nmendinent
j alma your amendment. t care not for these half-one-hay
men: 0:1,, 1 d0..111.e them noire, because more ungenerous
I than an open es-Icm). —( Hu; st Of npplaiter.)

Mr. .Thlcrman WOOD did out seruple to say that Mr.
Wanlle had actually saved eats country; and it Mas Impossi-
ble Sutbriently to repay him ; but for Mr. Wardle•s exertions,
the Duke of York would hare been, at thh isioaseat, Cons-
maader in Chief, and at the brad of the Hipoditioo I and
thtul--,-I say, said the worthy Alderman, Mr. Wardle bar
saved this country.
Mr. MAWM PI had so hesitation is say lag that the p!IL.
sent Administration otshht t 3 be dimmed ; bet be saw great
danger ie telling tile people that they were to look for so
pad from nay ether pan), became ft was, in effect, Mlles
the people th.►t they ought to take the ()cerement into their
Owe fonts.—Whoi mid what wad bit. Wardle, that beibMild
he looked up to as the issdy human behig who rould sate this
country t de saw in Mu no mach trameendlot
Mr. WA ITN?! AN cositeaded for the propriety of feral-
rating in the minds of the people, this towslmo That they ate
net to look for sell adsamage by a chair of awn that
there meat be a dump IC Spam ?her was the clorttire
of bin lint himself—doettief foaNded in true a lidorn, and
width; think Heaveit l "Mohan droned every day —dot-.
Wee isce asimilefd, evil by Mr. Parr.

The Wadi IPSO tarot pt and declared by 'be Lord
ifarrfi mph a ifw of bawds, to have bees carried /a fo-
veae of Mr: Plitworao's Ameadvaeot—bat; os a divlsioo, the
somber were—
Fie the Aisembilest, 1 itlifernaa, 31 Conterseeem ? Teller*
—41.4
Fir Aid. Goillbehefe's It notations, 3 Aldermeo, 51 Cos*
matatitsi litraiti-31-'4lllllO6tY. b.

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