The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-02-11 00:00:00

.........; it; them fill the offices of Magistrates.
and the laws and their. Admioistrators would be the
more respected. • ity measures of a similar nature
they might expect to reduce the disturbances. Unless
acme measure was bit spots. that the tithes aright not
be taken is Mad. they could not espeet toy good effect,
as the principal part must be effected by the proprie-
tors of the land. And he should think the person
who tree in the office of Lord Lieutenant nnfit for his
office, if he should attempt to lay before the Uovern-
meat the true state of the country. in the shun time be
bad boon therm , •
Lord HOLLAND agreed in most of the petrel 44-
servatioaawbich had fallen from the Noble Lord who
bad preceded him; but there was one little circus-
staace epos which be differed from them all. He'
moat the trifling circumstance of their agreeing to the.
Bill. while be intended to oppose it.-4A laugh.) He
was surprised that a Noble Lord who professed to feel
a constitutional jealousy of those Bills should now
give them his support. The Noble Lord (41Ienbo-
roogh) had declared his iatention to support the Bill;',
bat that be should do so with coosiderahle relutance.
IHe (Lord if.) honoured the feeling. by ~abiola that
Noble Lord was govroted ; bat he could, net Kra,
with him that the Bill would he re • that
It would tend to allay the disturbaaceo. . Mold
boast of no great p-rsonal intimacy with Lod ten& ,
ley, bat be had--not the slightest objeetrom• *AO-
fide the authority to be vested is him. .Itiffillohlo
Lord had said, that " when the balsam's ee lbw they
mast extinguish the dames;" bat were the Santo
to be extiaguisbed by scattering the .loraads ?-
--No, rather by !Ater. Military force was tbs. pro-
r means of extinguishing the flames. Im the pro-
vine. of (Allister, they had been able to Prevent the
'depredations by military fore.. By the letter of Wil-
son from Tipperary, the I osurrectios Act is motioned,
sad no where else. The berthas of the °tog has al-
ways been, " want of military force." The power
of transporting offenders. when takes, could set pre-
vent the outrages. Such an act would be Wittig ar-
bitrary power in the headset' the Magistrates; which
was not to be fused in England. The penes. In-
' trusted with the power were the wet oak is the
' country. He bad the same opinion of the Magis-
tracy of all .!ountries. and he would sot sake any ex-
option is favour of Ireland. The effects of it. is
that country. were knows to every body foe the last
twenty years, and this would be a fresh meson to
gall the too much irritated people of Ireland. Am-,
other, and s powerful object:ea to the BM was. its
liability to abase.—(Hear. hear, hear!) It was a taw
dememtal maxim, that all power was liable to abase,
and it could net be denied that powei of this nature
was especially so. Did not his Majesty's Governmeat.
who proposed this Bill, know that the most atrocious
*bums which bad ever disgraced de annals of say
country upon the face of the earth. bad been peeps—
tested by thee. who bad the admimistratios of the
terrible penalties of these laws? Ons of the maw
' .holy offccts of snob a system of Molensleetufse,iltin
the bad spirit which it provoked led to the energise Off
ludulislF of every passion is votaliation.-ss(ifor.)--
Bon resentment in the breast of i Judge was enta-
il as a ground for disqualifying him; end yet if
was the Magistracy of Ireland, labouring as thee wee
sake 'Wisp most strongly excited, that the
Illapiireed to aro with power over *Psi . they
4aat
osueolved to have injured them.. The-eon of
seek as. imjatlicions delogatiott of power bad son
in the operation of former Inaorectioa Acts; it occa-
slotted among all the blagistracy a desire for the renewal
of their power. Even a just Magistrate, When be found
he could not punish a particular offence, wished for the
almost unlimited power which be possessed bokre,
though he might sot wish to abuse it; a bad Magis-
trate recollected that upon a former occasion he bad
the mesas of gratifying his posit», ap4 he naturally
wished for the means of gratifying them again. The
dreadfal state of society which was the result could not
be cootosplated without the most heartfelt alarm cad
dismay. The evil example of such measures both spot
the Magistrates led the people. was also a crying evil.
A Noble Lord (Redesdale) had said that the melon-
*holy state of Ireland was such, that from the MOM
to the lowest, the laws were disobeyed. Was this mai-
' Vilest disrespect of the law likely to be remedied by
measures of correction; by violent aid revolutionary
laws which converted potty Magistrates into the sp
rests of their vicinity. It was a very remarkable de-
othotamos, that since the Union, there never had bast
six, eight, or twelve months. is the long mere, of
. twenty years, in which if the Irish Magistracy. or the
Predominating part of them, was asked what tensely
they should apply to local evils, that they weak% net
have answered " Hive us an losarrectioa AM.° In
fact. no Lord Lieutenant had ever sot his foot b fo-
isted without being beset by the esissaries•of .I*km.
without hawing every attempt made to envelope 'his
mind in the mist of every species of delight.. There
was always in Ireland a party who livedlV4liiii;a:
of their Inlnence with floveimment : If I
wormer were a weak man. they used all this Inmate'
an alarm in his miad ; if he were • maw of spirit,
they pat him out his mettle—and the trews Was
practised with every ingenuity of tat/fine. hem
use end of the country to the other.—(ilear.best4
Ose ob'ection be bad to the season was, that they ,
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would operate u a bar to any Warrantees In *h
state of things is that country. Daring e former pe.
fled of disturbEece is that country, what It had bees
complained that the powers granted to quell thee" es-
terbasees had been used for the penman of the
Protestants. it was answered that they were say sa.
plop"' ageism those who were attached to Beaparte.
Bet these pewen had bees entrusted to Catholics who
took eMeppertuaity elm's' off the debt duo from
keg aelseesity towards their Protestant seiglibetue.
If a mu were a Protestant, is their eyes he was a
(eked to finsparte. Thu be foresaw that this would
bosun a wet of religion betwixt the differest sects.
The Noble Sad appellate (the Lad of Li t) had
Mid diem that the disease ender which less
Marin was orgeeic, sad issianated that It required
all the wieder (dell the faculty to alabaster to it.
It was to be her.. in mind that the Noble Bad had
bees the family physkias to this esferneate palest
foe she hat metre years. It was be who had all aims,
felt bet pale; but sever before bad be said ale word
shoot this agate cempleist. The Noble Lard at
his eolingses were to go law a enesidoredea of her
goodie amplaist, however, bait wositt is timer a

woonld avoid every question
mane of the malady. What was
.......itholies? What with the tithe
system? The absence of the great proprietors was un-
questionably igreat misfortune, and owing in a great
degree to the iiinnection of that country with Englan.t.
That evil, however,. had been mach exsggerateol, and
if they would bet extead to Ireland the law of Eng-
land it would he notch lessened. A general contempt
for law had arisen amongst all elm from &Discorso u-
meet. It existed in equal proportiou from flap dn.-Ilia
with his false sense of bonoer,to the bogtrot ter who went
at night to steal his debtor's eow,'to avoid the ignominy
of employing a bailiff, to recover his lawful debt by
doe course of law. He could net conclude without
observing, that if the Marquess Wellesley thought
these measures necessary it should have appeared in
ilk* official papers before the House. He should vote
be measures, on the grounds he bail stated.
especially because he regarded them as standing
the way of farther improvement of the country,
Iron the bad example they set to the Magistracy of the
etianty.—(Hear.)
The Doke of WELLINGTON declined followisi
the Noble*Lord who had just sat down, into ail Awl
details he bad so ably handled. He rose more peed-
milady to address himself to the employment of the
military fotee under the Lord Lieutenant. Before he
enterell epee that part of the question, 'layette? be
hroeld retitled their Lordships that the Insarreetios
Bill did ant go to impale a perpetual continntsmi of
the amnion it aitherised...-(Hear, hear.)—That law
reltdretchat the Lord Limiteaast should preelabn the
pikieslefdistricts before it could be applied to them,
Epee the represestatlon of the local Magistrates that
it was necessary. The Lord Lientenast, therefore,
is should be home In naiad, was responsible for
the districts he pmelaimed..—(Continued cries of hear.)
With respect vs the application of a larger military
force. be believed it areal 4 be &sad that there
was at the present time I. Ireland a larger fort*,
nearly doable what was therefilt the commeneetnentof
the late war. It web true that the cremation of this
law necessarily required force, bat be believed there
ten as large a forts there at propene as could well be
employed ender existing circumstance. By the pa.
pen before the House it appeared that there was la
some parts a rebel, force la that country, which by
military force alone meld be put dowel. In others,
matters were carried on differently. In those parts it
ens the practice to go about at night sad rob dwelling
bosses of arms. Although It did set appear by these
mere, yet the fat was, that la many instances houses
which actually joined the walls of the barreeb bed
bees plundered le this way. It was phis, theeeffies,
them was as sell with which the military could not
*opt in its present shape, • al would not be more so if
there were doable the flasher of treops.—(Hear, hear,
bear !)—And there was is fact as mode of dealing
with each offeaces, bet by requiring the ishabitsete
se keep their bosses by night, and to give the Magi".
Mai the power too oblige them if they were
Mtg. la this the military would be able to reader
that effectual assiataams(Hear.)—and although this
10111pIted the no e'f pat team yes for each dieeriete I
only se k might be Used emissary to proclaim. lieve
was gain enough. H. repealed, the Lord Lieutemint
wield be responsible le every case is which he shield
proclaim a distriet, and if their Lordships felt that
con/dean la him they had bees pleased to urea,
and which ha hoped he deserved, they would set he-
sham to pass the meassre..-{Hear, hear.)
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM was of opiates, that
epos the spied, adoption of then measures depended
the safety of Ireland. He was wallet; pet *sly to
place confidence in his Noble Friend the Lord Lieu-
Mast of Irelaad, but would, under similar circa.-
Masees. place the same in say Government of that
leemasty. With regard to the Noble lord's (Lord
Seabed's) objection to the Magistracy, because they
were prejudiced persons, he begged to ask, would that
Noble Lord, if his house was set on fire by Jaren-
diaries, and his cattle being driven away, refuse to act
is defence of his property, because he was as iaterest.
ed, sad therefore prejudiced person? It was their
/eat duty to look the sitaitlos of that country In the
bee, and then set Oat to Instil better feelings is the
beams of the people.—(Hear.)
'bed CALTHORPB explained.
The Marquess of LANSDOWNE said, that although
*ewe woald be so teconsiateacy is the two votes he
*said give that night, be thought it eternity to say
$ few words on the subject of them. The one vote
Weald be, as regarded the means itself, and tie other,
is to the peeled of duration. With regard to the first,
"Mei was the most meat. undoubtedly it would be
with hookatiou that be should give • vote affecting the
liberties of minima of his fellow-subjects. Bat from
impales, ever-ruling necessity he felt booed to give a
vote is feast of it. With respect to the ether Bill he
essfeseird he did eel clearly perceive the aecessity of
h, bat be "append it was to rest en the reeposslbllity
of the Goversmeat of Indeed. Referring to that re-
4posailbitisyalmolieggad to say, that he attealied,mach
impresses se the beset the power being placed la the
heads it was; for as the Noble Doke °promo bad
said (the Duke of Wellington), much of the details of
the measure had depended on the inured*" of the No-
, blesses at the heed of the Owevemeat of Ireland ; and
be was happy to be able to feel that confidence I. him
which he did. It had bee. stated, however, that there
`would have bees a dilieulty la that Noble Marquees
expreselag his opielon as to the expediency of apply-
lag certain laws, and he ;meld very well understand
that it would have been sabecomieg to the Noble
Marquees to point out in a tone of dictation to
she Parliament of Eaglaad. the precise laws
Moog she many they bad to choose from. Bet
wield there have bees any dilicalty is his stating the
lent *Mere of the evil, and drools% their site.
ilea to where the *elitist laws were delicieet ? There
-was the procaine of Lord Whitworth, who bad take.
that "earn a few years ago when Lord Lieuteaaat of
babed. He had gives a legal as well as military
deseripdwn of the state of the country which he was
empleyed to govern. Wee he to be told that the Mar-
Wellesley was Wampum' to such a task ?..
they had a right to expect from bias such ea enlarged
Maw. There wont ao doubtless. papers is the heads
4 arnerseasat at this subject, which, if they were
*BM they Night to have hem on the-table of this
lbeik they wield kern that the Marquess We
d expressed the apiales attrilated t• kiss.
retard to the native measures to be *Wed or

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