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iq fOr.the lepportig then,'
iontended, ought not to have Imo
A sufficient 'Cum ought, in the first lei'
tot Ilave' bee; set apart for • tbe iapport of
"toy. A„lesick hirger sum bad been 'spender,
by el, than weliadWeilted ; and what he had fore.
been, had happened,' Gamely, that all which we had I
iseeived had been iteg back again to France.
' )rd CASTLEREAGH ,said, the lion. Gentle.
had fallen into an error in his calculation : the
for the support of the troops had been foOnded
the estimate of what the Continental troops cost
keeping up. But it never was considered that the
gem which 'applied the Russian troops would also
eopport the English troops when it was well known
that the eapences of the British Army wore'dooble
Otiose of the troops of the Continental Powers. But
Vbere were other advantsges derived from this Treaty,
!tamely, the receiving 2,000,000 towards the erect-
ing fortifications in the Netherlands ; and In return
Tor so assisting Holland, which we did without
lozpence, we received from bet most valuable
. Colony. The Noble Lord them entered into a detail
of the different provisions of the Treaty, *bleb he
hid were highly advantageous to us. The Hoe.
Gentleman had alluded to our claim for the main•
tenst;ce of French prisoners, and stated it at seven
=Pitons; but the Honourable Gentleman seemed to
tirget that the French Government had a set-off
against that claim to a very considerable amount,
especially the claim for British prisoners ; and it was
also still to he ascertained what part of this claim
of seven millions the French Government. would

allow.
Mr. TIERNEY, notwithstanding the Noble
Lord's explanation, was not satisfied. The Noble
Lord certainly had, on a former occasion, stated
that a sum was to be set apart for the payment of the
army, end a second sum was to be sent to this coun-
try, which was to be applied towards alleviating ear
berthens at home. Now this sum bad ewer arrived
here; it had been swallowed up in the maintenance
of the army. The Noble Lord now told as, that as.
the two sums had been sufficient, we bad no right to
be dissatisfied. It appeared that we bad now an army
in France, over which we have no controul ; but it
seemed that all oar advantage was, that we hero
nothing to pay, and unfortunately we have nothing
to receive ; and that the Colonies we had got from the
Dutch, it now appeared, we bad paid for.
Mr. WARRE replied.
The Report was then ordered to be received to-
morrow.
Some conversation took place in the Committee ire
Ways and Wens upon the delay in presenting
the accounts with respect to Ireland, in which Sir
41 OUN N IMPORT. Messrs. TI SRN IT, Losuroorow,
11 U SIC ISSOS, and A IUIVII% NOT, 104 A part, MC
LUSIIIINGTON stating, that is consequence of the.
,ttpiott of the two Treasuries, these acceents would
• .b.-presented much earlier to future.
The Report tattle Committee was ordered to be
trough, up to.rnorrow.
A short conversation VOSS between Mr. Gout.-
arms and Sir S. itomizzy, with respect to certain
rapers, upon the subject of the Treatment of Negroes
in the Island of Dominica. in which Mr. G. captain-
ed his oondact upon the question yesterday evening.
ALIEN BILL.
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved the third reading
of the Alien
Mr. BROUGHAM moved a clause, that any
Alien ordered out of the country should be-at:liberty
to go to any country he pleased, if a ship should be,
found ready for his conveyeace to sech country.
Lord CASTLEREAGH objected to this clause,
because it *as likely to defeat the object of the Biliti
and to subject the country to additional wetter..
Lord CQMPTON disapproved of the Bill. which
he deemed extremely elceptillasble in a state of
peare.
Mr. CLIVE (Under-Secrehry of State for the
Home Department) opposed the clause. lie r' ri•
tended that Government ought not to be at the
pence of sending foreigners to any part of ibe woo le
to which they wished to go.
Mr. BROUGHAM expressed his astoniahm
that the Noble Lord (Castlereagh), and the Hro.
Gentleman who spoke last, should pot such a coo
'traction on this clause as they had done. They hail,
it seemed, discovered a new mode of interpreti• g
Acts of Parliament, and he cengratulated the IV,'
Gentleman in having attained this know ledge so soot,
after his appointment.—(A krigh.)—They arguer
that the Alien must be sent to any place—to Botany
Bay, for instants—(A lough)—at the sixpence of
tee Government. Now what wee the fact? T.
clause said, that such Alien should have liberty to
embark himself on board a vessel. &c. Did this
make Oat that the Government was to bear the
sixpence ?—That a right to embark in the good
ship :Mary—(A laugh)—to Botany Bay, instead
of Boardeene—(Hear hear t tad lassfk,)—or to
Bonrdeaex, instead of Botany Bay, would subject
the Government to defray the !spews of the staiscal
coach to the coast, the cost em.boose fees, the pawl
in the easel, the charge for stores. the stewasd's
dues, the boat on leading, and the posterior carotin
lag the trunks to the White Beer Inn, or the Hogelj
de la Pais?—(Loud lan gsliiet.)—As this was 'WI
first opportunity he had had, and would in all pee:,
bability be the last he should have, of expressing his
sentiments on this sabjeit, he now desired to enter
his protest against the whole of downer*, to ex
press his disepprobatioo,, not to pay, his abhorrence,
of it. With a 'low to save thellime Of thek Heuer,
he would now propose another chase, and 'they
might be discussed together. This clause was to en-
able Aliens to be herd by their counsel or agents, as
well as by amanita, before the Privy Council. It
was nothing more than a mockery, a mere nominal
or verbal check, to provide that the Alien himself;
ignorant perhaps of the language, might be heard.—
The Noble Lord, on a former occasion, had said
that the Alien might be accompanied by an interpre-
ter : but it was not the interpretation of languages
that was wanted : it was the habiluspradicas inter-
pretend' ken, and that could be performed only by
a person conversant with the laws of the country.--'
Be lamented that this mestere had been so little:nee I
tired by the Public. Whenever a new tax wee roe!
posed, or an old ope was sought to be '“geleilit
the People rose from one end of the cestatry
the other • bet on a point that so -vitally offeat.
ed• the liberties of • the Constitution, end *lllO

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PriSW ,that -Oileh X Ads in or elmeeeeeiliii the'
Mee et FAWN Oleg, were Wane indifferent, cold,
and silent- It had,been. said that the. Bill Ives tat lb.
guilty, and uot for Um ieopeent .; bet V such a power
was glean, tbey might as well at ones give the mid
of Justice .to the Crown, sod let ihe. Cali or i e
Visiff 9. or, Whetter be might be, exercise the power
of trying amt i trensporting whoever they 'sight
think guilty., Ji, A. law was directed. as Mewed
to be the ieleetlen, instead of galley Aliens, they
might alter the word, and say guilty Seldeets. It
was, in fact, neither more *or less than a suspension
of the Coostitatiee, They were, indeed, in 'a sad
condition If they were to pass a measure of inch
vital importance es such gra:ads—if they were to
proceed as they bed before done, upon reports which
had been swedes and exaggerated till they reached
and poisoned the eery ear of Lord St. Vincent.—
(Hem', hear! and confusion.)—He should hive
amid, .of Lord Sidmouth • but if any apology were
due to the House for the mistake he bad made, it
was much more due to the Noble Earl, whose name
he had so unluckily couple) with that of the present
Secretary of State for the Home Department.—No
two men could be more dissimilar; and it was only
because the contrast between the two was so striking,
the energy and talents of the one so opposed to the
inefficiency and &theistic), of the other, that the two
names bed bees brought together in his mind, and
Earl St. Vincent's title obtruded upon the House in
a debate, with the subject of which be had in truth
no connezion : if he (Mr. Brougham) had been
Called epos to point out two individuals the direct
reverse of each other in all particulars that qualified
a man for a high once in the Slate, he could not
bate been more happy in his selection then when he
mentioned Earl St. Vincent and Viscount Sidmouth.
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded his
speech by declaring himself strongly against the Bill,
and hoping the classes which he proposed would be
accepted.
Mr. CANNING contended, that the construction
put open the clause of the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man by his Noble Friend seer him was correct, for-
it said not a word about the Alien embarking him-
self at his own espence; and unless that amendment
were made, it would remain the same as now, that
be most be removed at the espence of the Govern-
ment. The Noble Lord (Compton) had said, he
would vote for this mitigating clause ; but, perhaps,
be did not know that ibis clause consigned the Alien
to prison fora month until, by certain shipping lists
be might find there, be should bit on a ship sailing to
Chin, or any other country he Aosta choose to go
to. It was not from any dread of our own tranquil-
lity Wag disturbed that taus Bill was necessary, bet
because, if France were again mitivulsed, we must be
drawn into the contest. Let any mats read the pub-
lioatious from the Press of the Netherlands, and he
would see that there was still a kuut of teen who be-
Hewed, that, if they had a station, they could open
again the chances of war to their ambition—who
said, with the Philosophers of old, 66 Give us but
where to stand, and we will move the world"—and
all we said to them by this Bill was, " Stead where
ye may, ye shalt not ktand bore."
Lord Courrom, Mr. BaouGuast, and Mr. Carr• ,
XING severally explained.
Sir F. BUR,DETT rested his opposition to the
Bill upon the ancient laws and Constitutiou of the '
-country: if Magna Chun, were- yet to be respected
if it were not a disgrace at this time of day to rmi,
ter to its salutary provisions, he should point it out to
the House as affording abundant reason for rejecting
the Bill now under consideration. The Right Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last had complained that an
Hou. Member (Mr. Iliongham) had on frequent oc-
casions cried troll I wolf I 'when no such ravenous
animal was at hand ; but while Ministers persevered
in measures like the present, the cry could not be too
often repeated ; the danger was not only at hand,
but- is esecation ; wolf 1- wolf ! ought to have long
been the cry all over the country, for the enhappy
People had long suffered under the rending jaws and
talons of pitiless and insatiable wolves —(Cheers)—
The Hon. Baronet then cited the authority of Lord
Coke upon that part of Magna Charts which re-
spected the hospitality and protection due to fo-
reignen, contending that the words 66 publicly pro-
hibited," used by that great Judge, were explained
by him to mean, not prohibited by Royal Procla-
mation, for the Crown never legally possessed that
prerogative,' but prohibited by Act of Parliament.—
The How. Baronet argued that the laws which
governed its own natives of the country were suffi-
cient to regulate the conduct of foreigners, and to
pettish their mal-practices ; and consequently that the
object of this Bill, like many others, was only to
lodge power in the hands of the Crown, in order that
it might be abused. The Right Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Canning) had asserted that, during the French
Revolution, this country had been the refuge of
all that was loyal and respectable ; but these were
mere words, and he had offered no proofs ; in-
deed, it would be much more correct to state that it
had become the lurking place of all that was degraded
and despotic—of those who fled from the revenge of
of an injured and oppressed People, straggling to
regain its liberties. The real object of this Alien
Bill was to aid that European conspiracy in which
the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Viscount Castlereagh)
bad taken so active a part, and the effect of it
would be to destroy that haracter for generosity
and hospitality by which the People of England
bed hitherto been distinguished. Another of-
feet would be to drive all the talent and kip
dustry of Europe to that' now only free country i
chi world, Anterica. The Right Hon. Geittlensa
bad objected to what he called making the Mess
judicial, and foe the plain reason that it establish
tome controul over the conduct of Ministers. -ll'
would compel them to be less arbitrary and despotlei
because they might be brought before another tr
banal—the usual pretence of Ministerial respond
Wily, by which the House had been so fretjaisatlf
juggled, throlgh the country could not quite ao eaegy
be deceived : that responsibility had been usedliiid
abetted with regard to our own subjectti'viho bad
been tyrannically and unconstitutionally imprisoned,
sad was KA* be evicted, that it would be More re-
-1 spirted when the defenceless subjects of other Stags
i:were earoceroid? Respoasibility in the first instance
was wally converted into indemnity in the last, as
,was peavetra the case of the Habeas Corpus' seeps*
Was : Ili feet,' Ministers, wetting more controlled by

to espoese.—(Hear !)—Tbe Right
had reproached the Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
(Mr. Brougham) with inconsistency in opposing4heie
injurious and unconstitutional measures. Dowbelepe,
judging from the conduct o 9 the Right Honborhble
Gentleman, be held it a disgrace to edition to the
same opinions or to the same fri•ods..--Olear, heat!)
He enjoyed all the advantages of inconsistency, and
those who resisted this moaners could long ego have
partaken of those honours if they would have con.
rented to the same mental degradation to procure
theta.—( Loud cheers.)--Tito only danger pointed
out by the Right Hon. Gokstleman arose from a few
discontented individuals La the Netherlands, who
sought a fulc►um for their engine of destruction; but
it was singular that, at this was the only danger, it
had to-night been broached for the first time.
Mr. CANNING explained. He did not mean to
state, that if France were disturbed by internal corn-
motions, ibis country most necessarily be involved in
a war ; he bad only referred to certain foreigners,
who were attempting to equip the two nations iu
new hostilities.
Mr. BARHAM opposed the Bill, astotally unne-
cessary in time of peace.
Mr. W. SMITH opposed the Bill, es sapping the
best principles of the Constitution, and affording no
advantage whatever.
Sir J. NEWPORT contended, that, by the effect
of this Bill, the blood of Waterloo was shed in vain,
end that tyranny, by being permitted In one place,
would spring up in another: he therefore, hoped the
measure would be treated with the abhorrence it
merited.
The House then divided on the clause, sad
,the
numbers were—
Again* It, - - 87 •
Fur it Sb
Majority 62 •
sir S. ROMILLY proposed a clause, to except all
Aliens resident in Greatlßritain or Ireland on the Ist.
of January, 1814, and have resided ever since.
Lord CASTLERAGH opposed the clause, sad It
was negatived without a disjoins,—
Mr. BROUGHAM proposed a thillait estx
women married to natural born subjects.
ladiei were liable to be sent away without charge or
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accuser.
A MEMBER on the Treasury Bench asked if
the Hon. Gentleman thought the conduct of Mi-
nisters could render such a clause necessary 1-d-(411'
iavgh.) •
Lord COMPTON thought the House bottpd is
honour to admit the clause.
The House then divided on the clause—
Noes 87 ••
Aj es . . • 37
Majority - • . 60 rr is. •
Sir S. ROMILLY proposed a clause to allow
Aliens Counsel, which was negatived without a divi-
sion.
The Moose then divided on the question that the
Bill do pass—
Ayes . 84
Noes • • . 29 •
Rinjurity . 65
The Game Purchase Bit was read a third time and
Visaed.
Atim Petition of the Ship-owners and Merchants
'conceruecl in the East India Trade was referred to a
Committee on the motion of Mr. B. Stint► : as
Petition from the Proprietors of the East India
Docks, praying to be beard against the allegations of
the former Petition.
The other Orders of the Day were' then disposed
of, and the House adjourned at Half-past Twelve
o'Clock till to-morrow.

• LAW INTELLIGENCE.
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COURT OF CHANCIMY, May tlt.
This being the first day of Term, the Lord Chen-
cellar came down in the emit state, attended lit Sir
T. Plower, abe Master of the' Rolls, and Sir Yoh
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this stalking befits respewittbillty, than thee hall'heen.., " COURT OF KiNo's BENCH; Mai IL
by the natural feelings of henweity Ind the dictate! •'1 "' •'. cRIMIN 4 L INFORM MOM.
ol conscienge.—(llenr4),,,,,,, ..„ . , ,
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1 , r. CLinitt moved fora Criminal Informitinel
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Sir S. ROMI LILY . was ensiciui to embcpce Oar egai..st Mr. Drikaitl,ProprieteroftheStoreforeetver,
last opportunity 4 ;Malting the progress of this for a libel anon the Matquis of Exeter, published on
Bill It was urged that its operation would be au"-' the lath of Marsh last. A we.,k before tile appearance
lined to criminal tototOletas *A yes, wit* singular! Of the libel, a paragraph bad been inserted in the
incootisteucy, the Right lion. Gentleimins(Mr. (;an-" same Newspaper, stating, that s. ifs certain Noble-,
nine)had olgected to the clause which gave tiiityntY mao in the neighbourhood of our borough, it tech I
accused an opportunity of stating his mean case. and calls his borough, dues not deiist from certain pier.
Om, disreputable to himself, '&c:, se shall think it
'being heard by Counsel ; so that, in fact, Ott (bemireliens,
which was tobedirected against cdminsiforeigitersyn fit to give him a gentle admonition." In cnnsequence,
to be so framed that no Means wets allowed to met- iti the Paper of the nest week a letter was printed,
Min whether they were innocent or guilty.-(Hetti., addressed to the Marquis of Exeter, who resides
hear !)—Tbe Right Ron. Gentlemen bad also said, dose to Stamford, *here the Newspaper is publish.
that be should be satisfied if the power weSe lodged ed ; this letter commenced by adverting to the high
in the bands of au English Gentleman. Uudouht. ran filled by the Noble Marquis, and to the high
edly the Secretary of State for the Home Department
,duties he wail consequently called upon to discharge;
was a Gentleman, and, of coarse, the Right Bon. end after cots plimenting hies upon his youth, health,
Gentleman must be contented that the execution of and yet unearned reputation' it went on to notice
the Bill were intrusted to him; it was of no cense• the biassed education of his Lordship, under clerical
gamma whether he bad the talents or the fined& auspices, and the disposition, naturally arbitrary
which became a great officer of Statt—whether he and despotic, which guided hii actions, referring to
was likely to become the dupe of spies and in. what had oceutred on his Lordship's birth-day; in
formers—he was en English Gentleman, and that was 1816, in illustration; his influence, however, would
enough.--[Heqr, hear 0--The Right Ron. Gentle- avail a yUung Noblettian but little when he intsdvd
tleman never thought of satisfying the ceuntry—..if , the hallowed precincts of decency and Morality. The
he were satisfied,. nothing more was necessary. He letter then censured the mode in which a Capt. Percy
had also asserted that France could not be distaqed rpde about theityeeta of Stmeforti; edding, that hOw.
internally or externally, without such in effect knot ever degraded Solos of the inhabitants Might be; the
produced upon England that she must necessarily be' majority Writ ant yet, willing to be played under the
embroiled in the contest. Surely this was Most sUrveillance 4 the house of Burleigh and its agents.
alarming intelligence in dthe proseat Mats et oar Every man's hove had hitherto been considered hitt
finances, and coming (rota such a quarter; it. wall mile, and eltheogg_the writer a( this letter would
mach to be dreaded that, should the tranquillitt, of lot assort‘ that his Lordiiiip had yet ventured over
France at any future period be disturbed, the "'Jo- the threshold df any of Aliems, yet his conduct indl.
pie of Great Britain *Gelid be spots to bear • cat,...1 that -Cis LOrdsbip, issiwt last approaching
new burdens and to undergo new &initial' fOr that a vial which wiii most of Al itristructive of the
support of that interest whiehlitioisterelhongliC fit peke and, hippiness of society.. It then enquired
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his Lordship continually rode
up,,tortArn. the streets of Stamford, making
the fronts Wail the houses the object of his rigid
storp7-hoar he mid condescend to become a window
P 11441,5, litackflglillit ell the well-looking females he
ell!d discover; acid ,why he disgusted the modest
ain6Si4i o( the inhabitants by the obtrusive winks
of mobility, followed by s blown kiss? To say the
least of „it, this conduct Wes indecent, and as his
Lordship had 'most amiable sister, the writer put it
to him bow liP teisuld like bet to he subject to sock
treatment. His Lordship might bespeak plays at the
theatre, and the buskin'd hero might proclaim hie
Lordship " a rare one for the girls," or he might
press.the cheek sof a modest female in the box lobby,
but such conduct was unworthy of any man, much
more of an individual so daubed. The letter pro.
steadied to state, that though the writer would not as•
sort that his Lordship's conduct was immoral, it oho
Willy had that tendency ; and if, among the younger
part of the weaker see, some Might be found who use
derstood his Lordship's eacelleut dumb discourse, yet
the better informed and better regulated females
would despise such addresses, which could only ter.
mina,e io infamy, and deprive honest and indestrir
parents of the consolation of their old age : such be.
baviour might give pleasure to his Lordship, but It
gave great pain to others ; like the boys and
the frogs, it might be spirt to the one, but
it was death to the other : his Lordship had probably
not left school long enough to have forgotten the
.•
story ; but if he bad, his friend and companion, Cap-
tain Percy, would be able to interpret and apply it.
After a few other exhortations, and a quotation or
two from the Scriptures, warning his Lordship to
" go, and sin no more," the writer concluded by
stating, that if it were not effectual, he would renew
his attempt with outstretched throat, to tell his Lord-
ship what he really was, and what consequences
awaited a perseverance in his misci•nduct. It was
• signed, " The Proprietor of the Stamford Ne4a."
the paper of the week following cun'aiutd wipe
ference to the application made on the day of. igst
Term for a criminal information, in which Mr.
elarkeliad stated that Mr. Drakard, the Proprietor
k of the Stamford News, had expressed no contrition;
qiiiiirr:Oprietor added to this paragraph, (after quoting
livwStliat this eitful begging for contrition would be of
.e
; and be recommended his Lordship's Coop-
s
klabere to truth when npsiripe,moved for a cri-
isittailiforrnation. Mr. Clarlitet,,, tey. reading these
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,Ogir,iicts; Apt:veil, that the lib e) Wppidely
I.lbilesl‘the neighbourhood Kiiii‘Arqois
of p-
` residence, and the otiesct, was. to ,trellgre
Itship's chara.ctor among those with Onus ho was
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molt beady, conueclea. lee present station "pa
made to
.pet,e stop to such calumnies as impotod to
his !•11114,411 lie rode about the streets of State•
fOr for the purpose of selacting.pbjects for his illicit
amours.
Led ELLENISOROUnIi asked it the Noble Marquis
denied t• a imputation ?
Mr, CLARKE answered, that ..his Lordship hed
denied ail the charges, except that of riding through
the streets of Stamford ; that be had certaiwly doge.
Lind Et.t.srtvonouos.—But dors be deny those
courtesies tendered to Ladies atAfie windows, and
which aPpeai to have been so offensive?
Mr. CLARIEL—He siva that the charges are
groundless, false,. and• melicioes; that while riding
dumb the streets, or in the boa-lobby, he had not
conducted himself in any indecent or improper man.
nee so as to violate the decorum doe to the female
ter ; bet, on the contrary, tbat he had at ways shown
a told and friendly conduct towards the inhabitants
of the town, the real cosjority of whom are his
Lordship's tenants. 9. cannot deny that ha has
ridden through the stivets, and while so doing he
probably did not shut his eyes.
Lord ELLEmsoaobot —Does Lord Exeter woo,
that while so doing lie "did not conduct brow fin a
manner toatfraCtalopoticeof femaltsat the windows,
erelsewhere?
*as CLARICt repeated, that his Lordship had
eerf., that what was alleged against him was untrue
boa nisalcioiss; and if the other side could show that
listitad done what they imputed, it would follow of
tfiMitte that his Lordship had sworn what was Wm:
ehildemor litres timid not be used than those in the
4000 the. Noble Marquis. - •
Etuelostogau observed, that, the Matilda
of soar miikt have denied each charge specifically,
tWiliWirent to *oft that he had Intruded upon the
glitoistut end deoesey of the ;dace.
-blit.'CLuitradded,- that his Lordship bad doss
'l'mA to prose the Wart to be I false libel.

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