The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-04-30 00:00:00

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showing the Sovereigns assembled there, that war Was°
not a question of European policy, bntoqe which ooly
affected two countries—France and Spain. But how,
did we succeed ? Certainly not by violent aid !Mew
perate language, hut by firm eel manly remonstrance.
The question then was, whether, untlee,the
stances, we were to give up the hope of wearing peace,
or make the last attempt to prevent hostilities between
those countries. He would contend, •that if there was
the Slightest hope of averting war, by an attempt at re-
cauciliation, it, was rnr duty too wake it, llor (night
we, in this qnesoion, to overlook the interest* of France,
•as a constitntion toonarehy. ife did not stand thereto.
liitslieste the alt of floe French thwernment, but lie
would say, that to maintain a constitntional monarchy in
Crance, with the present fauidy 011 the throne, was a
;natter in which we were, in no sight degree, interested.
'Wu had oleo b-en j •ahoos of the noose of Bourbon,
and might spin he au, but it did net follow on that
account that ~e should wish to see France, thrown
into a state of agitation. That Was not ihe way in
„hide he. thought the ietpert of gllftiand i'aff
to lie proototed. lie inair4intyl that it was our duty to
Look to the interests of France as Well as to those et:
Spin. S:oaiii, ti quote the language of the Minister,
had roily asked us to use the " pen of conciliatiou," and
he believed Fr.,tice to have been sincere in the desire

she repressed to avoid war. His Majesty's Ministers
hail been reproached fir havine advised Spain to nos-
dify her iostitutious. if Spain lied VA *lnflict( for
the mediation of Bugle.* they wont! Sot have been
justifiol in doing so; huts heu two Powers were, opposed
to each other, and neither seemed dispmed to make any •
coneessaMo, what was a third Power to do when asked;
f.r its mediation, but say that there was something. oo
whirls concession must be made? His Majesty's Ali;
misters told Spui n, that she ought to concede nothing if
called npian to do so by threats on the part of Frauee ;
but at the ca Oft tune that site tuig!,., threogh our lo-
terpnsition, utak.. concessions withZtut aim prejudice to
is .1. •national fs:shoar. They had 'never yet a:sde:o4d
the principle. which saute persons tletliirqd 44 the
King. of France's speech—namely, that all power we.
birthing Mote than so much Waite paper, unless coming,
directly from the ist.omsecla This was a monstrous pro-
position, ant tine which struck at the root of the Bri-
tish Coustitattion. —(Clseers ). Gentlemen sail that tiM
vernment were greedy deceived in • the whole of the
proceedings. It amid nut be denYkol. that the ;undue;.
of France excited. sone surprise same them, but it
was a little too nitteh tq elstege the Britistkilluterst4-4
with being at sea on the suture, wlieu; the Fierielsgm
mernenent changed their minds from day in day with
respect to it. Couvinced as he was that it 'tray the po-
lio. of this Gov.eroturut to avoid war, ant. that no
rows° co .1.1 have b. en better for the purpose than that
which they had pursued; toisvincs4 also as he was
that the feeling of the country was with themes, lie anti-
Opted that the binge would reject the prufrused Ad-
&mem, and not cousin the lioverstuteet to piddle eon-
demnatinu fur nut having deieutle,l the 1141.0af and in.
terest of tie country.—Leuil cheers.)
Sir Jl, MACKINTOSH said. that he rose Muter the 'p-
rehension of not having bodily strength to submit to the j
I rouse the observations which pressed upon him. as relating
I
to this suOlnentous question. lie therefore looked for snore
of the indulgence of the !louse t..an usual, eltiMugh he had I
et all times reason to thank them for a very lirkeldtsre.
Thwightte did not agree In the despitches which Is id been
laid hefore`the flonse, nor in the defence which had 'been I
smote oC them, aide as it was. he coald not refrain from
congrattdrine the House of Com:noes upon that COMM,
)Istae of opinion whir!' pervaded all sides and all parties.
lit reprobation of the etrecious and.unprloeipled aggression
of Freres upon the onoffending people of Spain. —(Cheers.)
ThrilohOuvalie Lrcracsi Csentlesnsn tilers eulogised the
sentiments expressed by the Members for Yorlighlre, Lon-
eon. and Brausber, es regarding the conduct of Era*, mid
strongly eondemeted the dse of feeble lariguige and mrailered ,
terms when men had to speak of acts Sae thee/Filets' which
the House had hero called on to deliberae. 'lt was to the
degradation of tills country that stronger !Montage hid'
not been used to the Allied Sovereigns, in remonstrat-
lug against the unprincipled acts which had been nsedl-
toted, and were now attempted to be carried into execu-
tion. lie was shocked to see the document, which bore a
name so enlightened as that of the Right Honourable Gent.,
speaking of an atrocious violation of the indepenienee
of nation!, as " sn assumption of unnecessary respousibi-
lity." It was the same es to declare that picking a pocket
was a slight error of juigment. and that to commit murder
in the present state of the laws of Brighter!, was to assume
an unpleasant responsibility.—(A laugh.) This language
might do for the drawing-rooms of Vienna. but It was not
• suing for the ears of the plain rustle Msquives, andthe
homely. Bargemen% who represented the people In that
House.---(A laugh.)—lle hoped they Would contrive to retain
that plainness and homtlioess, together with the indignation
ahich those fecliegs.and mauners would imply. at such len-
ewe as Ministers had thought proper to use upon such suk
occasion. There'd question now for the House to consider.
as it had been well put by the Hon. and 11.-:arned htensbg,
for Lincoln, was not what was to be done by time country
• sow, but what Ministers ought to have done in February
and March. The pretended supporters of peace had used so
sassy fallacious arguments in the course of their speeches,
teat, as tise real friend of peace, he thought it necessary to
expose their weakness and contradiction. They first Said
they would not assist Spain because she was divided; and
then, to support some other views of the question, they
maintained that our assistance was unnecessary, because
Spain eonld repel the aggression herself; and that the suc-
cess of France was impossible. How this was t 6 be recon-
ciled, turwould leave it for then to explain. It was said
also that we were never to interfere where there was a di-
sided gauntry. He should like to know in what part of our
history this doc!rine was to be found? Was it in the inter-
fereaceot Elizabeth In the war in Flanders? The next ob-
jection was, that our interference would make the war pope-
hr in France. Oh I. wise and magnanimous Charles the Se-
cond!—why did he go to war in the Notherlends to make
the war popular in Spain? Why did Godolphin and Marl-
borough defeat the armies and wound sod humble the pride
rk France,'and yet be so short sighted as not to see that
they were making the war popular. Those who sup-
ported the conduct of Government in the course they
bad taken, argued the question as if thorn :Was no
coons between the feeble and degrading language
which hail been used, and that of violence and a de-
elasatiou of war. The Right Huo. Chancellor of 'I
tbe,Eusitetiner had said that the Note of the late Mar-
cum of Londonderry, in answer to the circular of .the
Allies, contained a strung protest, and that to refer to
tires was :efficient. In this part of time question there
was sonselitiog quite ludicrous ; for, in 'proportion as
. the necessity for firmness increased, and the objection-
able sets because stronger, our language grew weak and
feeble. The first comumnicatioa to the Allies was a
elissuasise Irmo a projected act, and that be would allow
was well reasoned, and pretty strongly expressed.—
But when these sets came to be carried into effect, our
.ty remonstrance was an obscure allusion to the
loniser doenasent. But in p •int of feet, our first
o;sst had. been treated aith negi-et and iumlt.—
Blomm the Allies occupied Italy, it was upon our ex-
ception, hot upon. titeir awe ptioriple. Yet after this
we were to attend a Congress of the same Sovereigns at
Verona. anti not say one word, either in ressiersarstrce,
or as a declaration of principles. It was said that this
liuserameut did Dot. kilos, the object of tie Congress of
Verona to be thediscus.ion of the:drain of Spain. Then.
oar orgociator appeared • th. re under an affront, is not
hazing been issforsursl of the object, anti he, too, one of
the most illastriotts characters of time age. Yet. even
after this, offended national pride was not reough to
tome them
,fretat their imensibility. A considerable
tithe ago he. put a question to Isis RigAst Ilustoureble
Fri,nd, in elsich he expressed * hope%Gag.). tlissoesorie-
lions would he emotocred egon the bettokot SPAM OatiMi•
al independence, the in.intettance this balrsee.of pow-
er. the Ifaith of treaties, sad with an adherence to the