The Statesman.
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making any appeal to ;he passions, to a him toward.
the object of his address. Ile would merely observe.
that the effect of all the outrages, and of the *hole sys-
tem, was to create a power in the country stronger than
the law. It might be said that it was the, dory of the
Irish Government to al ply to Parliament for stronc
powers at the earliest moments these machination% came
tolts knowledge. But he was prepared to contend,
that the course premed by the Government of Ireland
bad been perfectly consistent with poetice and discre-
tion. In his opinion, it was the duty of a Government
to do its utmost to create and estalifish habits of obedi-
ence and reverence to the laws ; and if a Government
were to resort at the outset of a manifestation of a law-
less disposition to nneonstitotional
'Wino' trying the strength of the ordinary laws, It
would go far to uproot that respect for the laws, upon
which the stability of a Government ins great measure
depended. In addition to whet took place at the ASeilrl.
the Government betel resorted to the use of Special Coup
iiiinicms, through whose exertions many offenders were
brought to trial. In the counties were outrages most'
prevailed. the Special Police who had been fonnd so in-
effectual, were called into aciion, and the military were
increased one half. But all these precautions produced
no diminution of the evil, and at the opening of Perlis-
rent, 'he plot had reached its consummation and was on
the eve of explosion. Upon the view of this state of
thing% it was that Parliament was induced to grant to
the Irish Government those extraordinary powers, of
feieh the Insurrection Act was only a part. It was gra-
tifying for him to say, that there was no longer the same
eaten? of evil which then prevailed. There Was in the
prieripal disturbed districts a diminution of outrage.
There was also, he hoped, some reform in the spirit of
the people. There was now, which did Dot then exist,
a feclii g of kindness towards this cosotry. arising from
her exertions to relieve their distresses, which he hoped
to are grow into a feeling of love for the Goverment.—
(Hear.)--But he could not avoid impressing upon thee
that there was at least enough remaining to call epos
them to hesitate before they deprived the Emotive of the
means of checking the existing evils, or of preventing
the recurrence of the past. It was iesposghle for any*
one to have read the dispatches of the Noble Lord at the
head of the Irish Government, withotit seeing that them
was a regular system of outrage—that outrages were
exceedingly numerous, and they were of a charactm
most alarming. Arra although thesediepatches did not
come down to the latest moment, he wished it were in
his power to state that the last accounts did not pregame
to the view outrages exactly similar. The dispatches
came down to the end of May, and to sbew that the sys-
tem continued In vigorous operation beyond that petted.
he need only state the extent to which it was is saes
during the following ten days. During that short spas
of time in one county alone there were seven bases
burned, nine houses attacked by armed bands, and one
subjected to nightly visitation. It was not. however.
upon the number of the outrages that he applied to Par-
liatnent for extviordioary measures. It was on aceseat
of the distinctive eliaracte r of the outrages that be
called upon the house for additional powers. It. mss
impossible not to see, from the character of them,
they were not the result of sodden ebullition in ties hs-
divlduals committing them, hut that they primula
from deliberate design. Rubbery, eardlagretles. sad
murder followed upon the neglect to obey some. notice
not to pay rent, ithes, or taxes. Another distinctive
cliaracter was, that certain punishment was inflicted
upon any one who was the means ofbringiuganoffendm
to justice. It teas the lamentable state of that country
t .at the law was put in execution, only at the expellee of
the individuals who contributed to it. It freqeeatly
happened that the obnoxious witness or prosecutor were
sent to the nearest gaol for their security, and the pa-
pers before the House contained the recital of an In-
stance in which the house of au individual was attacked,
in pursuance of a conspiracy to take his life, the day
after be had been sent within the walls of a gaol for
. safety. Every attempt to check the nightly meetings,
n ithont the operation of this Act wool be ineffectual.
This Act ted the offender at his door, and in that
respect was a measure of mercy, for it prevented the
commission of crime. He called upon the home to give
relief to those who required the relief and punishment
t., those who deserved it. The Noble Lord at the head
of the Irish Government had distinctly stated his opi-
nion, that there were those who were still sworn in an-
ticipation of this law being out of force. He knew that
individual characters, however high, was no ground of
confidence for high and unusual powers. But the neces-
sity being admitted, and Parliament having already con-
fided certain powers in an individual, the manner in
which lie had discharged his trust mast be a ground of
continuance. A Noble Lord had on a former occasion
stated that that Nobleman to whom he had jest alluded,
had a disposition to arrogate to hinteelfarbitrary powers
and therefore no secority was to be placed in him.
Agaiast such a charge, it was scarcely possible to de-
fend any Government ; but there were those on the
other aisle of the house, who could hear testimony to the
public character of that Nohleinae, and that confidence
was due to him.—(Hear, hear, bear.)—lf, therefore, his
not having abused the confidence reposed in him was
any ground for a further extension of it, he called upon
the house to arm with the same powers again. He could
not conceive that Parliament would restrict to a short
period a power which, when similar dangers existed,
seas asked for the purpose of maturing plans,. which had
been commenced under the first grant of that power.
The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving, that
the Speaker leave the Chair.
Sir R. WILSON gave full credit to the Right Hon.
Gentleman for the conciliatory tone in which he had
treated this subject, which he hoped for the benefit of
the Irish, be would preserve is all his communications
with the Irish Government. He also commended the
fair and candid statements he bad made to the !Amite,
although it was not in his power epos the strength of
them to agree to his motion with regard to the Insur-
rection Bill. He opposed it. as not calculated to 'A-
uto that tranquillity spoken of by the Right Hoc
Gentleman; but, on the contrary, to remove it to a
greater distance. He knew that it was right in eases
of a tire, to take immediate steps to extinguish it; bat
he thought some attention was to be gives to the mean,
of preventing its recurrence. Ile begged fur himself
to say, that he had none of that distrust of the Noble
Lord at the bead of the Irian Government spoken of by
the Right Hun. Secretary. He thought lens a compe.!
tent and amiable individual. Hot they were to bear
in Mind that the inquiry item the state of that unhappy'
country had never yet been entered into. The Right'
H en. Gentleman, however, now came down to the
House to demand a contingence of the tremendous en.
&mutate of this Bill. It was true that he gave them
up the suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act; but that
was nothing when they considered that it
required at all, sod was silly demanded la the last of
power, and granted is the waotootiess of confidence.
His objection went to the principle of the Bill, which.
be thought, was a subversive of the rights of Irishmen,
sad a violative of that Coestititioe which was the
only safeguard of their liberty and their live,. He
knew. however. that brute fore. was considered the
only if. etediget,ir of reenlist is Ireland. lie re.
esembered whoa be was in inland. is forgoer doges.
seeing a mita au flogged, front the saps of his melt to

the calves of his legs, for being only sarpected edbolsg
la United Irishman. as to. horrify homanity. He
•mbould not have possessed the (renege of a man bad
he not interferes' on that oecasioe, sod his only sumer
.as, that lie en Englishman, knew not how to pion
Irishmen, that the or the baiter wen
the only instruments of puoisbasoet to treat them with.
It had always been the practise of his Majesty's Go-
vernment to pass coercive measures for Ireland, wader
promises of inquiry, and never to perform them.—
rbis bed been the case since 1798 to the present time.
The time was come when Ireland mast beg ed as
if its people were freemen, instead of conquered vas-
sals. Though be could not expect that any success-
ful resistance to the measures of the Goverousest
would be made by the Irish in a servile war (and
be was certainly the last man to wish it), yet he
would advise the Right Hon. Gentleman and his Col-
leagues not to treat with too mach contempt the cows-
plaints of the sod' . He warned them against taking
a course which would call forth the energies of despair,
and wished them to bear in mind what a Noblesse had
told Charles 1., namely, that the way to cure rabidness,
was to remove the causes. It was necessary that healing
measures should be adopted with respect to Ireland:—
The first remedy to be applied was a termiaatios of those
civil and religious distinctions which bad waist* bees
kept up in that country, and which bad proved o COIF
SUM soiree of exasperation: He knew it wield be said
that the Engtish House of Commons bad deem its ditty
on this subject, and that the obstacle was to be (sand
elsewhere. But be could not help looking on that por-
tion of the Ministry Who favoured Catholic Emaaciper
Hon, as being the real impediments is the way of ale
measure. If they had refused to reveals in tbitiovsem
went when it failed, could any man believe that as
Anti-Catholic Administration could have boos lemon
The difficulties which had formerly stood in the way
were no more. It was known what were the eentimeset
of his present Majesty on this subject, and them; wen
was a time when a King of England amid he awe
reasonably
expected to say as Joseph 11. did, " Thank
God m' people are no longer divided by rellgioas allow
races: The next remedy be regarded as ais gee
non. It would apply to that which had orassimend -oE
the disturbances sod rebellions in Ireland. 'l'ko iota
would easily anticipate that he meant the abed*. er
tithes, and the establishment of a new regulation of di
revenues of the Church. He regretted that be had bees
absent when his Hon. Friend, the Member for Moth
trose. took up that subject. He contended that it was
monstrous to contend. that church property was so Me
end in its character. that it could not be regulated
when this was desirable for the well being of the Stab.
He spewed that Parliament bad twice applied for area
arrangement of church proper!), in the time of
IV. They had done the same in the time of lisl.
e:y7
and the property of the church was Actually takes by
the Crowa in the time of Henry Vlll.—(Hen.)
drama might cheer at the name of Henry Vlll,llmt
whatever they might think of his seizure of the chug.,
property„ be bad never fonnd those who beh=.6.100,111
of the 3110.011 W. bestowed by him is lay i0n.22.
disposed to stew that they considered that std eet
sacrilege, by giving up their emoluments. iniogdma
times be contended, measures bad been praised as
Pediment to make a new regulation in matters re-
garding the property of the church. What was the
origin of tithes? He would not sow go book to the
Jewish Theocracy to enquire into their character; bat
the house was aware that tithes had been granted to the
Hoag. of Levi because they were priests and guardians
of the Ark, and had not shared in those lauds which
had.been divided among the other tribes of Israel. To
come to a later period, who would pretend that tithes
had been known during the first four hundred years of
the existence of the Christian Church ? It was not till
the year 800 that they were introduced. They were
than introduced by crime. The King of Marcia having
committed a treacherous murder, obliged the people to
pay tithe* to the church. He also went to Rome to ex-
piate his offence by offering a tribute of a penny exacted
from every householder. He 'hewed that the circuit-
'tames under which tithes had been formerly claimed
were very different from those under which they were
sow levied, as many onerous duties then fell on these
who received them, from which they were now relieved.
IThe Bishops now bad princely fortunes. The four
Archbishops and eighteen Bishops now in Ireland re-
ceived not less, according to returns, which be believed
to be authentic, than 188,000/., without reckoning on
leases of tithes and sources of increase, which bad
enabled one Bishop to die worth SWAIM who had little
property when he went to Ireland. Nov without taking
from time present incumbents the income they at present
enjoyed, be to be the duty of Parliament not to
commit an act of spoliation, but to make some arrange-
ament which would be more agreeable to the people, and
place the security of the country on the rock of peace.
.He set forth the Importance of conciliating the people
of Ireland. For the Protestant School they at present
granted the sum of 18,7001. For the Irish Catholic
School they gave 9,6001. He did nut quarrel with the
disparity between the sums, but he remarked on the vote
to the Kildare Association, which went to defect the
object of time grant be bad just mentioned. He thought
we were bound to respect the privileges of the Catholics.
If they objected to the Bible in English being intro-
deced for the instruction of Catholic youth, no constraint
ought to be net on them in this particular. In every
respect attention ought to be paid to the wishes and
habits of this.king of the Irish. He was anxious that
justice should be done to a brave and generous nation,
who would not fail to repay their benefactors with loyalty
and gratitude. After some further reuiarks, be con-
cluded by moving as an amendment--.. That it be an
instruction to the Committee to investigate the causes of,
the present disturbed state of Ireland, with a view to
adopt such measures as were calculated to restore and
preserve tranquillity in Ireland, and render tr.necessary
those- measures of extraordinary ity. which were
alike incompatible with the spirit and the practice of
the British Constitution."
Mr. L. CONCANNONT opposed the motion.
Colonel DAVIES was of opinion that an inquiry into
the State of Ireland ought to be instituted ; hut as be
could not oppose the motion, be hoped he might be al-
lowed to explain the considerations which regulated his
vote on this occasion. He was far from approving the
system on whirls the present Government had acted;
yet he thought this no reason why the p bly dis
posed people of Ireland should be left exposed to
the assassin's midnight dagger. When the Govern-
ment demanded such powers, as they now called for at
the commencement of the Session, they held out a pro-
mise that an inquiry should be set on foot. He now de-
sired to ask why that inquiry had not taken place? In
failing to institute one they had been remiss. Ile then
Ilt&e.ed time reiluudant population found in Ireland, and
the demoralization consequent thereon, and sup:rsted
as a means of correcting it, the reformation of the elec-
tion system.
Mr. S. RICE saw no grounds for hoping that the
present disturbances coalsi be successfully met mm .tbout
the aid of the Insurrection Act. The question had been
introduced in the most favourable manner by the plain,
intelligible, and candid statement of the Right lion.
Gentleman. Against that he had nothing to say; but
in assenting to the uieasure now before the house, he
had a duty to perform which be felt to be more painful
than that which bad devolved upon him when the sub.
jest was last before tb. house; for then, though be
would sassy that splodge had been given by the Noble

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Maapteee that inerdry Mould hike place, pet be •.
asset diet the iseprredee created both it that hon.
and sat el doors, was that so *airy would take place
with a view of ratios at the root of the evil. One
hem bad bees gins to Wind la the comae of tbr
wmest Susan by the repeal of the Window Tax,
Ist be called ea the Rightliss. Gentleman to name any
.elier.pereeneet basalt that had been conferred on Ire-
' Mi. ilia heeteekoee of she House bad voted a some
is poem 4111“01111. but this was only temporary
. . sad wield it be sossesded that the present Bill
be viewed es a remedy to the evil it was istesiled
OIP 'mid/ He thought so gvntlesnas .is that House
Woad 'Mime to assert that sash was its character. The
Mies aft Modified salt sow was. be thought would
le alleehibil, but a mere measure of police, and an in-
s/Meet measure with respect to tytbes were not what
Ilettleallimi le expect from the new Government—were
net heleisspellise the country. When the tura-
ewnwwws bemsßht leeward before, they passed it in the
tr that remedial measures were in contemplation, hut
acrd meagre grounds on which it was now
that it Mould pass, were such that be was
'lle
similar grounds might be urged for its passing
et alai* soy time. He found the dispatches of Itilti.
on
whlell similar steps were taken. to be very different
ham this. which were now laid before the House. He,
for osesobjected to anonymous information being re-
waived. PM his own part, as a Magistrate, be had al-
ways been anxious to take epee himself any respesi•
Miter that might attach to the information be foe-
warted. or the recommendations which be thought it
Idwdity to offer. Hs objected to that part of the pre-
seat Bill which west W, deprive Ireland of trial by jury.
God forbid that he should deny the Government these
powers which were aecessary to meet an extraordinary
eesergeskey by interposing a constitutional principle.
leat hissaistaised that in this instance no case had been
made eet to prove that the step proposed to be taken
was necessary. The Juries had not failed in their duty.
At Limerick they had bad the experience of two Special
Osnimissioee, and he appealed to the Right. Hon. Gen-
*mu opposite. the Attorney-General for Ireland. if
Ills es them seder circumstances of alarm, which
might bare operated not merely on weak minds. but on
see of eoestessey and courage, had not discharged their
duly with the moat undaunted resolution ? He was
trto resolve the Right Hon. (lentleman's assent,
male seek circumstances he would ask by what
dale meld Weep deprive Ireland of the advantages of trial
by jeep? The evils now complained of is Ireland were
net peculiar to the present times. They grew out of
the system which had been acted upon for the last 49, 50,
or 60 years. They would find that the outrages committed
were not new, bat that they were similar to those
which had occurred from 1640 to 1650. He repeated.
that little or nothing bad been done in the preen*
Sessions for the permanent improvement of ',Timed.
00e soden brought forward on the state of trollied
lei his objected to on the gronod that it was pre.
severe. and that the House ought to wait till they
sew what Ministers proposed to do. They had on
that account not pressed the motion to a division—they
bad waited to see what Ministers would do, and they now
saw that they had done nothing. The motion on the
subject of the tithes had been met with the previous
question. He could tell Ministers, that if they expected
fifty Insurrection Acts would remedy the evils com-
plained of they deceived themselves. lie beggod to call
the attention of the House to what Lord Bacon had said
oa the subject of Ireland. There were four Feints
which be had described as necessary to be attended to,
in order to restore Ireland to °Wiener. and he calledl
on the house to observe what these ionr points were.'
The first was " to extinguish the relics of the late war."
The second, " to attempt the recovery of the hearts of
the people." He would ask if that bad been done by
any of the administrations that bad ruled Ireland since
the Union? He had much respect and regard for many
who bad formed part of those Administrations, but he
lallest say that scarcely a single measure that had been
adopted which seemed to have for its object the recovery
of the hearts of the people. The third point to be at-
tended to, according to Lord Bacon, was " to remove
the root of the past and the occasion of new troubles."
He would ask if any of the remedial, or nominally re-
medially measures which had been resorted to were cal-
culated to root oat the cause of the troubles which bad
,occurred. The fourth point. which wept to the encou-
raging of plantations and buildings, was less applicable
to existing circumstances, but it was analogous to. en-
courage the manufactures and give a new impulse to the
ludestry of Ireland, and in this view it was not inappli-
cable to the present time. lie then went over the means
suggested by Lord Baton for the recovery of the hearts
of the people. These were the granting of religious
liberty, including toleration, justice, protection, and the
equal administration of the law, and obligation and re-
ward. lie did not mean to say that justice was unfairly
or partially administered, but the expense attendant on
legal proceedings in Ireland amounted in many cases to
a denial of justice: and the want of a legal homed)
sensed many of those acts of violence whin occurred.
He knew a case where a person dying left another 151.
or 201. The executor of the will got the propert' into
his possession. The legatee applied to the Assistant
Barrister of the lower Court to recover it. He stated
that he bad so jurisdiction in cases of legacy. The other
then got a promise from the executor, and afterwards
on this promise again called for the interference of the
Assistant Barrister. He, however, still declared that he
could out act. The prosecntlog party then gave the
affair a criminal turn, and almost produced a breach of
the peace in order to try a civil question. That was
very CSJUMOS in Ireland. The peace was often opealy
broken in order to determine in a Criminal Court the
merits of a case which ought to be the subject cf a civil
action. The law of wager of battle had bees repealed.
hut it was In effect continued in Ireland by the Steep
Acts. The Irish Gentry had been blamed for not Im-
proving their country. But the fact was, their efforts
had always been frustrated by the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer of the day. He showed the progress of crime
had been in proportion to the increase or decrease of
taxation. He considered it in vain to attempt to put
down illicit distillation, but by diminishing the tempta-
tion to commit the offence. He protested against sus-
pending the right of Trial by jury.—The Magistrates of
Limerick wished the Bill to by
renewed, but desired that
it might be altered in this respect. They wished le give
efficiency. and strength to the Bill, by making it more
constitutional. Their oppo.ition, he thought, was en-
mancot fehromer g netinehntre.cpo, manner
en-
titled to the serious attention of P..rllarstent. The in-
struction offered by the Gallant Officer went to recom-
mend an icquiry, in order so ascertain whether less se-
vere measures tui tt lit not be adopted. lie was inclined to
found the remedies lie would apply to Ireland on mut-
sures of conciliation. This lie wished to keep in view.
though be tutzlit feel the Insurrection Act to be neces-
sary, a. I 0 ith. that feeling lie should vote for the
amendment. . .
Mr. PEEL said that he wes convinced that the senti-
ments of the Bon. Gentleman who had last spoken were
infinenced by the sincerest regard for his country ; and
that his warmth, however far it might have occasionally
carried hies, procre.led from the brat motives.—(Htar.)
—With respect to the powers intrusted to the Noble
Lord at the head of the Irish Government, they were
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quired solely from a beat for power; but that assertion

was now proved to be netounded, when at the end of 5
months its renewal was not demanded. The headof the
Irish Administration was responsible not only for the
tranquillity of the State, but for the safety of the lives
and fortunes of the people. An Hon. Gentleman oppo-
site said that one reason which prevented his agreeing
to the renewal of the Insurrection Act was, that there
had been no inquiry into the state of Ireland. He would.
ask was the way he himself pursued the proper mode of
making an effectual inquiry 1 Was the house deficient
on any of thereat points of Catholic Emancipation—.
of tithes—or of education ? The 6rst had been under
the most serious .lelilwrition when the friends of the
measure bad branclit it 'efore their notice. As to the
tithes, be himself had spent the grfwer part of two Sea
'Joy. in a Committee upon the subject. Another Hon.
Gentleman kid proposed. as his measure of relief, a re.
peal of the Enloe. Conti he seriously ask them to eh..
late that solemn compact? He would ask Lim to deli,
Iterate upon it for some time, and then think on the in-
reliable eonserpiences to be d.rivsal from it. With res.
pert to the unfortunate scarcity which had for souls
time prevailed, be was satisfied that the Government
had acted wisely in not making early public declara-
tions of it. They conk' not without great delicacy in-
terfere, and subject a whole people to gratuitous relief.
—(Hear.)—lt would not become them to prevent the
exhibition of the benevolence which had been directed
towards them. If they bad employed the people on the
public works, the consequence, it was feared, would be
that they would leave their potatoes untitled to receive
the daily wages of their labour. and, perhaps, occasion
a renewal of that scarcity. An floe. Gentleman had
mixed op the question of education with the present
debate, although it was to be brought separately before
the house in the course of a few evenings. He said
that he had derived great assistance from one of the
ablest advocates of Christianity upon the subject. Dm
[ be (Mr. P.) MLA obliged to confess that, with all the at-
tention he could bestow on the work of the author al-
laded to, be could not understand it. One of the sen-
tences he would repeat to the house: " It would suite
all the chance and canticlen."
I Sir R. WILSON interrupted the Hon. Member. and
said the word was ••cliaunto," not "chance."—(A
laugh.)
Mr. PEEL resumed—He would take the amendment
as he received it. Well then. •• The chaunts and can-
ticle. of all ages with the fruits and "lowers of all sea-
son."—(Loud and continued laughing.)—The Insurrec-
tion Act was necessary for the safety of Ireland ; and
when he was asked was it intended as a substitute for all
conciliation, he answered decidedly not. It was net a
measure of coercion desirable to the Government ; it
was one to them of painful necessity for the tranquillity
of the country, not only of protection to the high and
wealthy el , but to the peaceful and industrious
classes of the community. He trusted that the house
would not, after the papers which had been laid before
it, and the despatches from the !Mali Government, let
the next winter pass over without tome memmetsagive
semidry to the innocent.—(Hear.)
Sir R. WILSON explained. that he did sot glee the
passage alluded to as the words of a philosopher. hut as
an extract from the work of &foreign antliorofcelebrity,
the great Champion of Christianity and of Divine right
in both Church end State.
Mr. PEEL said that the Honourable Member should
liareeither quoted the original, or given the name of
his author:
Mr. J. SMITH said, that if inquiries had been made
into the state of Ireland. they had only been attended by
the result of insurrection and famine. That country Lad
been always governed by a system of coercion, and its
Mal grievances had never been attempted to be re-
dressed. Even for the sake of novelty, they might make
the experiment of a little kindness towards the peopled
Ireland. They could not make their situation worse, or
[produce worse consequences; for under tie exhale(
mime Ireland had been a burden to this country ea•
thee than all assistance. He could not consent to ift
such a power to the Magistrates of Ireland as this ME
would place in their bands. The situation of Indeed
was now more deplorable than that of any people is lbe
history of Europe. He should oppose the motion.
Mr. DENNIS BROWNE rose to correct a misunders
standing of what he bad said upon a former occasion,
relating to the distress in Ireland. What he did say
was, that the causes consisted not in a want of provisions.
but in money to purchase them.
Sir J. NEWPORT gave a reluctant assent to {the en
newel of the Act ; and lie trusted that the house would
only do that under a pledge of limiting its extent to as
early period of the next Session. Ile hoped that the Id
of May would he the latest time at which it should cola
be brought forward, if, unfortunately, that should be
necessary, so far as the subject to receive the attendee
of a house not constituted like that which was to be
found at the end of a Session. It was not to lumina. '
lion Acts that they must look fcr removing the evils
with which Ireland was afflicted. It could only be dens
by fully inquiring into its condition, and altering Me
system under which they had growl. up. He
no one would be bold enough to libel the peoplebore
lanai so far as to say, that it was some deformity in their
nature which prevented their observance of law es il
was observed by the people of England. They wren.
spected in other countries; and they conducted dor
selves with honour, and attained the highest station nl
rank. It was at home only that they were diabolismh
ed and degraded. Lamenting excessively the as
site for supporting this Act, he must say that all Mllle
valued the peace and tranquillity of Ireland would FRP
sue the same course. No one could feel more duple
than he did the pain of shutting out his country free
the pale of the British Constitution.
Mr. PLUNKETT said lie entirely concurred with the
Right Hon. Baronet who spoke last that dihrelniinte
could not be justified on any other principle tempt did
of extreme necessity ; and he assured his Right. Sim
Friend, that it never entered into the contemplanes d
the Irish Government to make this a permanent OW.
sure; on the contrary, sanguine hopes were enteritis's@
that it would not be necessary to continue it longer then
after the next Session of Parliament. The may
this Bill was also necessary, as a 111C41111,0 that evvsld*
able the Government to consider of the best meow d
consulting the future interests of Ireland. If there ern
any part of the world which inure than another hal
made a rapid progress in improvement in arts. sciences.
and civilization, it WAS Ireland. All the penal laws were
removed ; and the restraints which existed in our cope
coerce 40 years ago, were entirely .!one away; and weir
this was no proof that the state of Ireland was neelectg4
by the Governitieet. There never had been any indigo
sition on the part of the Government to neglect the state
Of Ireland. .Aa to Catholic Emancipation, be must siu•
what he had often said before, that this toast ultimatelt
be the prime step to the salvation of Ireland;—(his
bear)—bnt no prio.sition for Catholic Einaucipalias
could base ary eliect in putting an end to the evil'
411101 this hiell was intended to remedy. When t
Present Lord Lieutenant arrived in Ireland, he (mei
Rebelliou staring hiui in the f ; and was that a site
&don in which the subject ot tytlere, alluded to t
night, was to he taken exclusisely into consideratios•
I'he Hon. Member for Moat.ose advanced 'octet
with regard to tythes, which carried with them That
vasion ot all pi..perty; for if toe property of the Che
was once attacker, the same principle which mune
the one, would also sanction an attack upon tie f
'solder, the landlord, and every species of
Such doctrines were at variance with every ^
imi
'pun which the security of property depend
•
regard to what had falls front the Ilea. Member