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London, England, 1821-03-07 00:00:00

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*agues and saperiors.4lll ear, hear.)—ft, (Mr. Cal-
craft) would not follow the Right Hon. Gentleman
throng l• I;is series of jokes upon this painful and import-
ant soliji ct of natio* taxation, but would vetnrn his
thanks Et, his Hon. Friend for the novel and perspi-
coons t.:anner in svhieh he had brought forward this
omnplir.itrit subject.—(Hear.)—lt appeared that in
1792, m charge for managing the civil and military
affairs 41f e,e empire was somewhat
.fillire than 7 mil-
lions, o in 1820 it had cost nu less than 26 mil-
lions. T.e Right lion. Gentleman had complained of
the comparison with 1792. alleging that the establish-
ments were then heloiv what the safety ofthe state re-
qnireil, and that they had on that accon nt been in-
creased by Mr. Pitt. True : but Way were they in-
creased ' Nut because they were inadequate for
peace, but because there was every appearance of an
approaching war.—But then, said the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, " when you talk of redactions, you choose
the wrong time and the wrong mode : yon begin at
the wrong end." This was always the answer : the
proper time never arrived, and the proper mode never
was adopted, and the proper end was never discovered.
Yet what were the Right Honourable Gentleman's
time and mode? which was his right end and which
was his wrong end ?—(lmangitier.)—lle was never to
be disturbed in his sublime operamiuns of arithmetic ;
and when any motion was made on the subject of
finance, he satisfied himself with coming down and ex-
claiming e, W hat are you duintr ? why do you interfere ?
1 am going to savetwore than a million; only wait till my
estimates clone mown, and von will be gratified and the na-
tion happy!" This might be true ; he might be about
to save immooot. ; but let it be remembered that be had
added tau, old by special grace and favour was about to
let 1,00000/. still continue added to the burdens of the
people.—(hear.)—The Ithig's speech had announced a
reduction of the army ; but when the reaction was
talked of, might the increase to he forgotten ? Yet,
lmecause 111,11110 ;;Irn, added a short time ago, were now to
1w disbanded, the Right honourable tientleman
"a truce to your couatitational fears, a truce to your
complaints, of expenditure. I am going to relieve you
from the weight of 111,000 men ; and do not listen to time
poliiral charlatans who ti.ll you that you ought never to
have bacu regrind to pay for thesis At 4111."—(11ear.)-
I\rzt he had ime. used the people of being unreasonable,
reminding thimt that thi v were as well off as they
were during- the war. 11'as it too h, then, in the
time of peace to expect a reduction of taxation i Was
it not wo,;11 how it happened that every
man was 011111:ell ti sacrifice nine-twentieths of his
propettv in tax:alio' ?—(ilear, hear.)--The Chancellor
of the Exeimicier had said that some taxes might be
repeale I, hot had pointed oat none ; amid when he
(Mr. tairraft) hail endeavoured to remove the most
uajust and grievous imposts upon salt, he was, as
usual, told that ime had chosen time wrung time and
nook, anti had begun at the wrong end.—(l.aughter.)
—Throtgli formerly fellow Whig and Colleague, the
Right Him. Gentleman had lent him no friendly as-
sistance, though it bad been every quan-
tity of salt, the prime cost of which was Itinf. paid io
taxation, n • less tha' 3.0014. Mr. Burke hail otter
congratteateil the people of England that their salt
was no. taxed lilt that of France, but bad be lived to
this day hr would have seen that it was taxed in a
manner unetwalled in the animals, not of France, lint
sa• Woolsey, soefeosiy---sho- moos. sloop•tio- snossooeho., ---
The propositions of the honourable Mover were many
of them self es Went, and whatever might be the event
of their propositi the iltm. Mover had done a great
service by bringing the subject forward and making
the country on.!erstattii it, and carrying the proposi-
tion of to-hight arcomplish more good to the
country thait would ever be brought about by any
agricultural report. T'mough the Chancellor of the
Exchequer hail said nothing, or what amounted to
nothing, lio.• was harked by a majority, and a majority
was sure to he right. lie (Mr. Calcraft) believed,
nevertheli ss, that before the session was closed, a
ot:m trity would be found to support the repeal of some
of vie existing- bormienn is spite of the rhetoric of the
Chan• ellor of time Excheopter, amid of the dread he felt
of the insole* of political charlatans.—(Cheers.)
Mr. 1111.*SKISSON was not aware of any practical
utility in referring hark to 1792, and comparing the
esndslistintents times with the establishments •.
The enusparison ht to hare been with 11,17, when
the mint of the Finance Comunsittee was made: and
the Hon. lien leman sui ported this opinion by ►arious
statements a:m.! remarLs. As to what hail fallen from
the toher side of the I lunar on the sullieet of rendeing
the taxation, lie said, it was somewhat whimsical to
mark the (Rao...il:they of Vie projects : for instance;
one Hon. lieniletnan suggested that the window tat
should be lowered, while another insisted that nothing,
was so just and neces,:ary as a diminution of the tat
upon set. lie the Hon. t4nt. whether with
a revenu.• of 1;11.041I,IIIImil. and a debt of 800,000,000/.
a sinking fund of 2,5i:0,0t111/. was one with which'
the isinntry ought to Ile satisfied? Some addition'
ought t.. be Ina he ta it, by economy, if rut Cher econotimv
we'‘' lutssild cheers.) lie understood those
cheers: and le. could only say that when the eati-
malt s came to I e cansidered, those with whom he acted
vi-nhl lie ready to beer and attend to any suggestions
for reducing the establishment: all they required was,
that it should first he shown that further economy was
Practi' hear.)—He trusted that
l'endenhtql won't' apply themselves to this point, and
would I ndearmir to prove in what watt reductions
ceniti be tru‘k quit the estimates of 1817. As a ge-
neral ride, there could be nothing
more unwise titan,
in the :li.t ia.stante, for a Government to place itself in
a tituwti n of p-runiary difficulty and embarrassment.
--(Bear, lici:T.)
31r. liICA RHO reminded the Honourable Member
sr" 1.114 just sat clown, that the proposal of this night
_was not to reduce the Sinking Fund two millions,
bat to reduce the taxes to that an ttttt ut ; not by taking
from the Sinki:lr Fund, het by increased economy.
--(litar.)-11, however, the motion had been to redeye
the Sinking Fund, it would have met with no oppo-
sition from him (Mr. Ricardo.) He considered it a I
delnsii.n which was encouraged and made to amount
to a certain suns, that Ministers might be enabled
to lay their hands upon it and devote it to
purposes of unnecessary expenditure.--(Cheers.)—
The Honourable Merwl•er then made various state-
meats relative to this measure of Finance, and added,
that he conceived nothing could properly be railed
a Making Fund bat what operated to reduce the Na-
t West Debt.
Mt. LUSHINGTON contrasted the expense of coi-
-1 lectiag the revenue, in the customs and several other
departments, in the years 1793 and 1520, coateeding

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that the charge was -reenter at die %rine? of these
dates than at present, and fist therefore, it was im-
possible to effect a saving of tie per cent. as Med Mtn
proposed by Mr. Maberley:
.The Holm would ac-
cordingly think that the }frit branch of the Honorable
Gentleman's motion was unnecessary ; and as to the
second resolution, he conceived it coil& 'not be enter-
tained for a moment with a view of relieving the aTri-
enlturalist. When he stated that one half of the win-
dow taxes was paid by the great cities in the kingdom,
it must he apparent that no great share of the burden
could fall on the farmer. He should on these grounds
vote for the previous question.
Mr. ELLICE agreed with the Hon. Member for Port-
arlington (Mr. Iticatdo) that in the present state of pub-
lic distress it would be advisable to relieve the people to
the amount of the nominal sinking fund; and therefore
he should support the first resolution. Ile should also
vote for the second ; because last night he bad seen no
disposition evinced Ise the Chancellor of the Exchequer
to repeal those taxes that were felt exclusively by the
agriculturist. If the two first resolutions were agreed
to, he should have no objection to leave it to the Right
lion. Gent. to suggest the mode of supplying the defi-
ciency in the revenue.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Mr. ELLICE
mutually explained.
Captain MABEILLY supported the two first resolu-
tions.

Mr. J. SMITH supported the two first resolutions ; at
tl.e same time he hesitated not to state his ronvietioi!.

and he bad had means of important information on the
subject, that a reduction of the tax on salt would, of all
reductions, be the least injurious to the revenue, and the
1'1,1.4 beneficial to the commonitv. He believed tl,ere
were calculations to show that if this tax were done away

with altogether, other branches of the revenue would Cc
considerably increased by such a measure.
31r. WILMOT opposed the resolutions. lie was de.
cidedly hostile to the plan of appropriating the prod nee
of the sin Ling fond to the service of the year: that fond
ought to he preserved as a nucleus, to accumulate for the
ultimate liquidation of the natiothsl debt.
Mr. NIA RERLY replied; and after explanations
front Mr. Ricsuno and .Ir. Lustiothavx, the House
divided on the previous question :—.ly.'s,
Noes, 109.—Majority against the resolutions,
On nor re-admission into the gallery, we found
i Sir JOIIN NEWPORT submitting some motion
which we understood to relate to the collection ut the
revenue in Ireland.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sail
a few wor.ls across the table, which were rendered
inaudible by the noise which pervaded the House.
We believe the Hight Hon otrable Gentleman moved
the previous qu.ition as an amendment.
Sir JOIN NEWPORT gave notice, that to-:norrow
he should move the House for the production of the
report made by the commission appointed in 1%19 to
inquire into the mode of collecting the revenue in
Ireland.
Sir C. HILL said it was true that the taxes of Ire-
land hail fallen considerably, and that the whole ma-
chin-ry formerly employed in the collection of them
was still retained; but at the same time it was fair to
state that very material reductions had been made in
the charge of collection, and that his Majesty's Ali-
nistera had dime all that was in their power, con-
sistently with the protection of the revenue.
Mr. CHARLES GRANT addressed the House in
ao-bne w key, as to be for some
gallery. lie assured the House that many important
redactions had already taken place, and that others
were in progress.
Earl MOUNTCHARLES thought that the eneou.'
ragement of small stills would matetially benefit the
sister Lin,rdont.
-Sir CHARLES LONG bore whiners to the imprOte-
ments which had already been male in the sollectiuo
of the Irish revenue, and to the probability that
savings still more material would follow.
Mr. JOHN sxiurii said that it bad been stated by
a Right lion. Member whose word was bigit authority
upon such a subject, that great part of the Irishi re-
venue was collected at an expense of 21 per cent.
He it jelled to hear some explanation upon that parti-
cular point from the Hon. Gentleman on the other side.
The previous question was then carried without a
division.
Sir It. WILSON gave notice, that on Thursday next
he would move for the production of a letter, dated
the 11th Feb. 1321, from the Briti•h Minister at
Naples to the Neapolitan Minister, the Dicke tle Gallo.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that on Thursday next. he would biiiig forward a
motion, of which he had already given n. liter, without
fixing a day, for accelerating the resuutptimi of Cash
Paamenrs.
Mr. 11013110 USE thought the motion of the Sal
ion, General (hit R. Wilson) most important at the
present crisis, and trusted that the ltiOit lion. 31einintr.,
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) frottNl postpone his
motion as to the Cash Payments to another day.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEit, an we
understood him, found it inconvemient to postpone
his motion.
It was then ordered that the House should on Thurs-
day next resolve itself into a eon 111 l ittee for the eonsi.
Aeration of the a:t relative to the resumption of cash
payments.
•• The Report of the Committee upon the husbandry
horse tax was brought np. The resolutions were
agreed to, and a Bill was ordered to be brought
in pursuant to the same.
The New South Wales trade bill was read a third
time and passed.
The other onlers of the day were then disposed oi,
and the House adjourned at li o'clock.

Lord Darnley voted with the Majority on the Catho
lic Question, on Wednesday night last. His Lord-
ship's name was ac.identally omitted in the list that
has been published.
Tun Lire INrsxx PIMICCINS.—The ceremony of
emhal:ning the infant body of the late Princess Eliza-
beth was performed, yesterday, at eleven o'dock.—
On examining the cavity of the abdomen, severs)
ounces of yellow fluid were found covering the bowels,
which were much distended with air, and in a high
state of inflammation. At the junction of the small
with the great intestines, Introsusception was found
to hare extended fur the space of six incises, adhesion
had taken place. and the stricture was so completed,
• that the smallest probe could not be passed through
the nlistructed bowel without lacerating it. Hence
the cause of the Princess's deatli.—The funeral is.
ander the direction of the Lord Chamberlain, to be
conducted as privately as possible. The arrangements
inn not finally settled last night.