The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-03-16 00:00:00

WI. t. W. CRAWL

Sir It. WILSON oleattreed, obit he Agri e Petition
to present from Mr. Grady, jen., which should
not wake• by any represeistatiens of his nun. it
stated, that in a worhent of ir,ltahun hr bad inconsi_
deride', addressed a elisions, wt.° had bort easmissei
at the bar of that Heise, in 'swage which was im-
proper, whilst it was a violation of the pritilegeo of
that house. Deeply impressed •ith a sense of his
error and its injerioes consequences, he would not
only refrain hum • repetition of it during the tint.,
these proaredieis lasted, but would solurmly promise
to abstain room all schemes of inter• 'voidance, bat-
ing determieed to lee►• his chsracter to the jedicial
resell of ihe present investigation I and being cots.
winced that his personsi honour could ne►er be im-
peached whilst be was acting ia liaison with the orders
of the HONOR.

After mewing that this Petition be laid es the Wiles

Sir R. WILSON also mowed, that Mr. T. W.
Grady be broom's( to the bar of the House, Tried-
unaided by the Speaker, and then discharged too pay-
ment of his fees.

Mr. T. W. Grady •as la ealttpaenea broaaht Into
the Hooey, in the eastotly of the Serjeaat at Arms,
mud Ogre( it the bet of the 'louse.

Tim SPE &KKR then add d him as follows t—i

"T. W. Grady The wslog iii.olting langesge to
• witness in consequence of evidence wi cti he has
Risen or may give at the bar of this How, is a con.
tampt of its authority, and a breach of its privileges,
which never has been, and otter will be tolerated
In your Petition yea acknowledge your guilt and
your sleep contrition; boa plead irtitetion, mud for
these causes the forgetfulness of what was deo to this
Howse sod to yooraelf. All these circumstances.
added to your extreme youth. have obtained for you
the Welt/yaw and forgiveness of ibis House. But
let me warn ye., that this House will net be trilled
with, and that • repetition of this outrage, either der.
ing the progress of these proceedings, or of any thing
arising oat of them, will be a breach of privilege that
will be prosecuted with the utmost rigour and seas-
rity. lam directed to inform you, that you are dis-
charged on the payment of your fees."
_ _

libeing owed ilitt this reprimand should he en-
feted on the Jeoreals, the SPEAKFIt put the gees.
tien, end it was entered accordingly.
COMPLAINTS AGAINST MR. WYNDMAM QUIN.

Sir R. WILSON moved the Order of the Day fee
condoning the investigation on this subject, when Its
consequence of an explanation gives by Mr. W.
(loin, relative to a discordance between the testi.
moo; of Mr. Goold and Mr. Carew Smyth, br
which it appeared that Mr. Quin confirmed dm as.
guidon of Mr. C. Smyth, sod negatived that of Mr.
Gould, ei to an Interview on the morning of Sep-
tember 11,

Mr. LAM BTON moved the discharge of relish'
orders for the stissdancs of additional witnesses from
Ireland.

The Speaker learning that Mr. W. Quin, admitted
the correctness of Mr. C. Smyth's statement, and
conaegeently that no further evidence would proba-
bly be nee sssss y upon that point, had delayed the
the km and transmission of the summonses.

Mr. (;raid was culled iu to explain a part of his
testimony of Friday night; after which Mr. T. W.
Grady, the Petitioner, w mined at Veal length.
Mr. Reach MIS then easmiased; after which,

_ .
Sir R. WILSON owed that the Minim.. of Eri-
deuce islets dist doy be pointed along with the rest.—
As ha did not think that this could be In the Windsor
Members before the beginning of neat week, ho
should move that the further consideration of the Pe-
tition ba sejourned to Thursday senuight.
This •as put and curried.
IdUtlttY RILL.

On the sootiest of Lord PALMERSTON, that
this Bill be teed a third time,
Mr. H. GURNEY ssid he could oat let this op.
portenity pass, •iihoet ritijectiog to that part of Its
lbll whirlo sanctioned enlistments for life. I t oats priu.
tip!, prodactisa of the very worst consequences, as It
secessarily r►ndered many soldiers who had so ea.
Hued discontented faith their ritualise. The lat.
Mr. Windham had here hostile to the principle, sod
bad nther sobstitste for it a term of yours for the
soldier's serritode. In hit opinion it was it meet se-
rious 'tolerance. that a bey of 17 years old, oh..
could ant cell a horse, should be allowed In MI him_
self for life. Ile should, therefore. more that saves
dole U be left out. soil the form of the oath.

Lord PALM EASTON fell himself called epon
le realm the Hee. Gentlemso's amendment. The
matter had been long before the Howie; enlistment
for life was not compulsory, and noirest indocement
was held est for It, as the House would jedge, there
beim only las. difference in the twenty ter that and
limited service.

After a few worth from Slr I. COFFI *hick
were not @edible.
Sir It.W I LSON regretted that be bad not before the
House on this occasion some Maras, which it was
his intention to move for. Ile was onsioes that sumo
farther alterations should lake place IS the practice
of the army on the *object of corporal madmen's.
A greet change, he world admit, bud sheerly beets
effected in the system, by else a n aloes and most praise..
worthy eaertious of (as we Wlldinilood) the present
Commoder-in.Cbiet. Ile had Infrodoced that pest
arid salutary holly which had already been Inslin..
tire of such good effects. Hat the success which at.
tended this memory, might to be a r why the
Homo should go foram with the matter, and ear.
neatly endeavour to base it done away • ills sling..
'her, escept in mititigasion of the punishment of death,.
He would pot it to the esperience of every military
officer in the House, whether In a corps eider the
'orders of a Commander who resorted to severe met.
sores, crime did not iocipays in proportion as trot
'severity was 'remised ; and, on Ma other host,
whether the same corps had not become Improved In
its contlact, according ar meld and gentle memory,
were resorted to? He would mention ewe butane*
eon Illattriosts Personage Oho Duke of Lihnscert.,)
oho had am the .sample, by she adoptide of wild r*.
gelations• must with such fooorbs. bat lb* owno,,Trbpoo.,
io which It hod boon Cooed noorsoory t•
gently to corporal peelahmeeto before, bad don.

wards became an trample in oho army by the pro.
toasty of its conduct. It was, hefted say, the mere
in ell cases, where the tarn. salutary change of system
bad been resorted to. Ile would not go further into
the matter at presort. H. thoeght the Hooke must
1.. t, that sarnothint should be done to elsols.la a
..)stem 'Ptah ass disgraceful to the country, which
was eatnessly in its nature, and, he would add, sa-
l:neigh (se think) in its character ; for be belieoed
it ass not a practice known to us until the insteuce
of the 1-:Jich fibalds. The Honourable Member
rnaclorled by stating, that in a short time he should
rn..ve for returns of the numbers of Courts-Martial
%Lich bad been held, end their results. Medici sot
ilea!' within •hot time )
Mr. BECKETT said, that when returns bed hems
I•id before the Howse of the itumbrrs of Courts-Mar.

east, not for one or two veers, but for a century and
a half, and that it had still continued to sanction coy-
oposal punishment, he thought that master should be
considered as re: juditaia; he was, therefore, surpris.
edit hearing sorb opioious as those which had fallen
from the lion. and Gillint Ogee, (Sir Robert Wei.
see). The lion. and Gallant Officer was, however,
consistent iu his °plosions, for sixteen years ago he
Mad given to the Public his opinions at length upon the
same subject.. The glorious ttiempbs of our armies
on the Continent *ere in a great degree owing to the
excellence of their discipline, and a part rd that dis-
cipline was the system of corporal punishment.
Would it then be said that this system should be al-
together aholiihed ? list it might be urged that the
same stliciness in this respect, which would be ne-
cessary in time of war, could not be r►quired la time
of peace. to answer in this, It might be annaefel to
the House to look bark to the progress of punish-
ments for the years 1817 and 1818. In these two
years, though the capital ponishatesits had decreased,
yet the substituted punishments had increased
rewsi-
derebly, which of course mast show ■n iacreass of
crime. The Right Hon. Gent. went on for some
time, hot from the low tone in which he spike, it
was impossible to hear a word in the gallery.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought it would be with
Wrest, concern that the House and the country at
large should believe, that the great and numerous
triumphs of our brave army should be owing to the
system of corporal punishments.—(!tear, hear!]—
lie, for one, would mot believe it.
Mr. BEI Err and Si► J. NEWPORT mutually
espleisied.
Sir LOWRY COLE, hoeing hail considerable ex-
perience of the effect of strict dist iplissr, would give
his Opilliollan opinion which it would he unmanly
in him not to express, though it might he unpopular.
he declared, that however mach corporal punishment
might be regretted, the British army could set be
kept Ina slate of perfect discipline without it.
Thi amendment was then negatived; and after a
few words from Sir I. COFFIN, it was read a third
time and passed.

THE CHANCELLOR of the EXCPEQUER
stowed the second readiug of the Cooselidated Food
Frodece Bill.

Mr. CILENFELL suggested, that at such a late
beer, when many Members were ►xhausted, from an
ottendsoce en Committees, it wool,l be improper to
•rge any wenn likely to create disconion.
The fill was, however, read a second time, pro
f6roto, with the soderstaoding that the discussion
should take place in the neat stage of the Bill.—lt
was ordered to be committed to-morrow.