The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-03 00:00:00

ADDRESS TO TIIE KING.

Sirß. I IE RON rose to give notice of a notion for Thor.-
ob,erred, ith some reeret, that the srni id week
of the Session bail been suffered to ••ss by, wit] t any lin.
nenroble 11ember making a direct motion relative t,t the
restoration of her 31ajesty's name to the Liture.e. limier
these circumstances he kit himself hound to t•otne for-
ward, and he now gave notice that Ise would, on Timis-
day nest, more that this House do aiiiir,ss the King• to
restore ber Majesty's name to the Liturgy.—(lleor,
hear.)
Sir JOHN mcir PORT moved for certain Irtpers enn-
necti-d with the inland Excise of Ireland, which were
ordered. _ _ _

?dr. ItIIZINSOX inoved, that the How, at its rising,
do adjourn over to Monday.—Agreed.
ItOIIINSi IN, in the likelier of an Hon. Primd
of his. who vra., prevented by indisposition from being
prr.ent, moved that the tlnler of the lksv for the Com-
'soiree on Foreign 'rude, to :and over to TurNday
neNt.
Mr. CURTI ES said he held in lt-s Irtoil a number of
The tebdna Gcreete, to an Atlver!isrnient in whirl, •lie
wished to rail An attention of the Howie. It semi a no.
sire from tioveriintent reepertior Tni3O,,,A, for 17.000
bar of American dew ;Jr the us: vi the troops in the

&day. make inquiry into the Milan Commies' —that
illegal I 'mtimission u hick reflected more dist-rare upon
this country, than any other circumstance, perhaps,
which Was to be met. with in history. In this latter
prayer the Gallant General sa:d he himself heartily con-
s:m.ll4l-11e thought an i:iitiie,!iate inquiry ought to he
set on foot, and lie hoped the Lord whose motion
stood fur an approaching night, would give this sub-
ject a prominent place in that motion. ilr hail always
considered the Milan Z'ommisson as illegal; indeed fie
tit.titAt it no more than a sort of inferior agency Com-
tois.i in to the general conspiracy against her Majesty.—
(Hear, hear,) And when he- looked at the sort of wit-
nesses which that t7oninaission sanctioned ant sent here
—lieu). who (as Fox said of witnesses in the Popish
rails(%) would not in an ordinary transaction he entitled
to the smallest ttredit. From bis Own knowledge he was
enabled to say,,that one-half of the reports which that il-
-1”Ir I Commission sent over here, were utterly devoid of
to 11,11 or foundation. The Neapolitan Ambissador as.
slum! him, that when the worst reports ware In circula-
tion here respecting her 31.tjesty's conduct at Naples,
there was not the smallest foundation for snch reports;
and this fiend:man was well able to judge, for lie was
himself at the Court of Naples at the time. Nothing
ennui b:• more criminal than bribing her Majesty's sort
cants to trolitee her character. If he was un-
justly accusing the Milan Commission, which lie
still contended was illegal, he did not shat out
the Commissioners front an opportunity of defend-
inr themselves. Ili!herto they had offered no.
tliin.s. in their own jnstification, and though they shonld
he condemned as unheard, vet was their situation better
than that of the Queen, who, after being tried and ac-
quitted, was still treated as lfainV. Was ever any thing
mute unjust, than to treat a person as a criminal, because a
section of her judo.% were of a certain opinion. In com-
mon justice it should he guilty or not enilty before a
lore, and Hill or no Hill in the case of a Bill of Pains
andPenalties.—(ilear. hear.)—Her Majesty should de-
ns:ma a new trial, rather than sutoilit to (ii. treated as
guilty, after she load heen hear.)—
Ile WOO sorry to See Ministers sanction in that House, so
great an injustice as to harbour suspicions against her
Majesty after she hail been acquitted. The gallant Ge-
neral then stated, that the last prayer in the Petition
was, that in order to appease the irritation of time coun-
try and to restore tranquillity, the can pirators should
lie brought to the liar of justice.
The Petition was ordered to lie on the table, and be
printed.
Mr. LAMIITON, in preseutin,e a similar Petition
from the householders and itilialiit tots of Barnard
Castle, in the county of Durham, said, that Ir. could
Himself couch for the respectability of the treater part
of the signatures to it. There was a fact connected wi'h
this Petition which lie wished to mention to the House.
In the town there were lint •.10 householders, and of
these in 9 signed the Petition, the remainder being
stated to him to h. the persona either connected with
the collection of the taxes, or in some other way with
the Hovertunent. The Petition prayed the Home ;n the
most earnest manner to take liters tor the immediate re-
s•oratisin of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy.—Laid
on the table.

Lord SEFTON held in his hand a petition signed by
3,etio of the most respectable and (wapiti merchants
.iml :naives of Liverpool :o the same effect its those
which had been already presented to the Flonse. The
petitioners wvre men who rarely interfered in politics;
and he (Lord S.) could say, that very ninny of them
were of the first respectability. Their first prayer was,
that with regard to the questio.i of the (toren, this,
'House would not eon-.?:it to any further stits

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taxes remained.—(Hear, hear.) The House shenli
according to the prayer of the petition do its duty,
and see what reduetions might Ise made in the wautoa
anil onion-mare expeinfiture of the state. lint it wis
said by the lion. Member for Abingdon, that v h. o
we 11.-..1 so extensive and multiplied a puldie deb',
taxes sheath: necessarily lie paid. TO that he e di:
answer *justify that they could not, the country would
one slay or ot!aer he brought to that pass that it could
afford no wore taxes, and he would now put it to the
Ilona, to say whether it was better all at once to yet
up the evil, than by staving off the et il day to taste
it come with 'wore eel t.tiii twin. Ile trusted Ile lion•oe
would overflow nith Ott• complaints of the country 11'1
Oda subject. lie aas now come to the last prayer t s
the petition, whereby the petitioners sought some
form in that House. The debate of Friday night WWI
a proof how mach reform seas wanted in the Homo
of Commons. ' There was teen a majority voting
pot only against the people, hut against their
recorded ups taittit.—(r lear.)—A nil Liverpool came with
strong claims for a sla ire iu the legislation. 'i h. re were
upwards of 100,001Ipersons its the ton it, hut of these there
were only 2.,54X1 freemen. It should be admitted that
this was a very imperfect reitreseitta.ien of such a plaer.•
Freedom § el the town was only to be obtained by appreft-
tics-ship, or by the sons of Heerlen, so that atm/gees
corning in there, no matter what their property wa*,
could never obtain a franchise. Of the 2,500 freensea,
of course many %%ere under tae influence of the corpo-
ration, and wore from the contracts into which I;o%s:et -
went entered into with them from time to time. :1 . I
to these the number who were the immediate servan:s
of Giver tttttt •tst and the rerithumi would be email isle:
deed. In conclusion, the Hon. Umber contended,
tbe House ought to give such a representation to t air .t
great trading teen of Liverpool, as would give to rir;serr'
rank and property that inflnence which they desereed.o.......
Sir. ti LA IriTtiNg rose to set the Honourable Member
right, as to some facts which he had stated. It WA4 net
tree that there were bat 2,.5Un freemen in LivergnOl,4l;
by the town clerks return, they appeared to be np:
war !s of :MOO. The t 'orporation was taut under the hula-
'nee eotoplained of by the lion. Member. The tiovera-
'Dent contracts were managed in the most impartial
manner. There were many very respectable per-
eons in Liverpool who disagreed in the sentiments
of this petition. lie could say that Vie great gm-
' jurite of the reapectable inhabitants of Liverpool ap-
provid of Ministers conclu•tt. The lion. Member th • .
went into a history of a nt •etiag, at which a loyal al-
dress was agreed to, and be strongly contended that
fowl. address spoke the geaeral feelings of the people st.
Liverpool.
Mr. rItEEVEY, in explanation, said that hut 2,g4)
freemen had votes! at the last election. Hr denied ii: It
the lot-al whirr.% spoke that general sehtisitent-, for the
day alter, at a meeting cn'ivened Ny the Mayor; an a.I.
elms% simeh less complimentary to Ministers, was uato.i-
-' InOtisly agreed to. At this second meeting the It
Member over the way (lilaistone) teas afraid to show his
fare.— (A lanes.)
Mr. tiLADSTONE still that the !oral ',Mrs.. In less
than three days obtained .11190 signature., awl this eas
pretty good evidence of the sentiments of the rople..•
The petition was then laid upon the table, and ordered
to be printed.
A smillar petition was presented by Lord Sefton from
Croydon, in Surrey (or Brictiton.) !Laid on the table.
PETITION OP THE mEactiNs-rs OF LONDON,
Mr. JOHN SMITH said, 'he heldrin his hand is -
lion, ta • whieh he
rions attention of the Reuse. It was the petition
legged to call the

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Merchants, Bankers, and Traders of the City Justus.
awl was signed by SINN) persons. He did not mean to
say, that the petitioners were, from the accident of pos-
sessing property, entitled to more consideration than
persons who were pour. But inasmuch sa property lave
an opportonity of education and the exercise of talent,
he felt author s 4 to say, that there never had been pre-
seated, at any period, a petition from a class of persons
superior to those by whom that petition had been ivied.
The first prayer of the petitioners was one to which the
noose must most readily lend its ear. They prayed that
Parlimmint would, in its wisdom, adopt the necessary
measures to allay the agitation which prevailed in the
public mind.—(Hear, hear.)--There were three or four
points in this pitition, upon which he would offer a few
observations. Petitioners said, and said truly, that they
entertaioe't the strongest feelings of attachment to the
Crown and to the Constitution.—.(Hear, hear )—And
that even at this period of distress and agitation,
they knew the great body of the people to be actuated
the strongest feelings of loyalty. They felt also, that
tuo violence or disaffection existed, against which the
law slid toot provide a sufficient remedy. They at the
setae time expressed their regret, that the late proceed-
ings against the Queen had been instituted—proceed-
ings which the House itself derlared to be derogatory to
the dignity of the Crown, and injurious to the best in-
terests of the etiontry. lie fully concurred in the rea-
sons urged by the petitioners against those proceedings.
They felt that her Majesty had been prosemited without
any adequate political necessity—(hear, hear)—that the
• charge tonight 'against her hail been supported, or at-
trnspled ta be supported, he evidence of the must
horrible, disgusting. and detestable nature that had
ever been brought into a Court of Jostice.—(llear.)
If the mccession of the. Crown had been endangered,
then the people wont') have been content to pay the p:
;laity of enduring the evils of such a measure, is order
to secure the future peace of the country. The Pro-
reeilinge against her Majesty, as bail been well ohservesl
by an Ilononrable Relative of his, the Member for
liramber (Mr. Wilberforce), were calculated to injure
the murals of the country.—(Hear, hear.)—Ministers
had many great an4l anklets duties to perform, but lie
isite.v of no greater duty is Web devolved sin them than
that of premiering the morals of the country. .Many
complaints had been mask by Ministers of i 111 l norality
is a certain quarter, but they themselves were the greater
sinners.—(Hear, hear.)—lie was ae•are that some loyal
and independent gentlemen, melt of high character, had,
ts Wolin any public notice, suet in a tavern for
the purpose of presenting a Loyal Address to the
Throne. Tothat Address he hail no objection to offer.
He would have willingly signed it, hut he felt in
common with the Petitioners, that the present state
isf the country required something more to be said.
The Petitioners felt it their duly. iii vonsequence, to call
a Meeting el the Merchants, Bankers, and Traders of
London, which, by the kindness of the Lord Mayor,
rook place in a large Hall in the lattaion-Itionse. At
that meeting liti(llr. R. Smith) had the honor to snore
certain Ittemlittions, on which the Petition was founded.
Although anxious not to increase irritation or ill-Wood
en that toreasion, be was bound to speak the truth. 'flue
Mseting was composed of Ilse largest assembly of well-
stressed persons that perhaps ever were brought together
i t London. The proceedings commeneed quietly enough
:tt when it came to Isis lot to move the third Resolution,
r. clamour arose "milt as he hail never before heard ; and
os kith, for the time put an end to all discussion . He
teas compelled to stay that he had reason to believe that
tEasclamourwasalw,ether I,Creoncerted, and that the
ii4disiduals by whom it was so iireconeerted, were deter-
riitted to prevent ally discussion. Having contended
l': at lodine meetings were' rooluctive only of confusion,
they created confusion for the purpose of proving their
own argantent. He beggeil to he distinctly understood,
atrever, as not meaning to apply this observation to the
larger part of the inure respectable portion of the class
of individuals to ovi: int hr alluded. He was the more
ol,sposeil to consider the tionnlt intentional, because it
began Ilse moment her Majesty's name was nientioned.
Naitv, thonglo there might lie shades of difference of opi-
r:on on the subject, there was not a man in the city of
London who slid not deplore the introiliiction of it as a
rational calamity, anti who was not of opinion that
the prosecution was most inexpedient, because he. well
knew that whatever might be the case elsewhere, there
could not be the must distant hope that in that House,
order all the cirentseitances of the case, and without
the power of administering an oath, a subject so
large and consplicated toth! ever he brought to a site-
cesstil issue. 'f be inhabitants of the city of London
therefore thought, that the proceeding which had taken
place was calculated merely to throw an unfair imputation
on the unfortunate and illustrious lady in question. As
that mess the universal sentiment of the city of London,
Es must think that the clamour which took place was (K-
-ra ;tolled only by the wish to prevent discussion. In
vain did tie Chief Magistrate of the City exert himself
in every possible way to keep order. He (Mr. S.) hail
of a Protest in the papers signed by a tientleutan
s. !:on. be did mint know, declaring, that it seas not miller-
stoof that the Resolutions were put, and that if that had
heen understood, a great majority would have sliewn it-
tts ;f them. As tile Protest was signed only by
an individual. and as the Hon. Baronet opposite allowed
that there was a majority in favour of the Resolutions,
he slid not think it would be considered as entitled to
ercat weight. The Hon. Baronet, with his usual good
humour, admitted that the question was carried against
bins. In that (louse difference of opinion led to no per-
canal malevolence. Persons in direct opposition to one
another remained in habit% of perfect friendship and at-
tachment. But when he saw respectable persons, as at
the Meeting in question, lend themselves to sect a cla-
moor as that which he had witnessed, lie c. uld not but
consider it as a prelude to something worse.
On the question that the Petition be brought up, Sir
W. CURTift begged to say a few words. He perfectly
agreed with the lion. tientiettian that the Requisition
for the tussling was respectably signed, and that the
Lord Mayor would not have done his linty bad lie not
complied with a Requisition so respectably and honour-
ably signed. He never saw a list of men of Lo-
your anti property. But however higitly lie thought of
those who bail signed the previous Declara:ion. lie
allowed that he was of opinion that the Declara•ion was
too mild, too much of milk and water ;—(a
he had signed it because there uas then no other way in
tOicli he could repress his disposition to support the
Crown and the Constitution. The ple.;:it. ought to
know who the men were that supported the Crown and
the Constitution, and therefore he had signed the lk-
claration, milk and water as it was. He was not arctic-
tooted to tlo any thing in Lulea or corners, or which lie
did not wish Hod to know.—(A laugh.)—He bad signed
the Declaration because he thought it was proper to
cheer sop his Majesty.—(llear, hear, hear.)—A part of
the Honourable tletitleonan's description of what took
place at the meeting was iacorrea.. He hail never in a
I tree assembly heard any speech better than the speech
wi.trli the Hon. Member made at the meeting; only of
course whets the. Hon. member used expressions not in
coeformity to those of the persons present. those per-
setts manifested symptoms of their disapprobation.
When the lion. Gentleman named the Queen, for in-
starer, there was disapprobation. It was his (Sir W.
Curtis's? tiriu belief that the majority on that subject out
of the I ouse was much greater than in it. With the
exception of the murmur at that part of the Honourable
Gentleman's speech, he was heard as well as could
possibly be expected. He (Sir W. Curtis) wished
to say a few words to this Meeting of as well dressed
and good looking persons as he ever saw—(a laugh),—but