The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-05-05 00:00:00

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404 JAN.
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bothaii. is] tl
store when it was fit that this power of Mr. N. VANSITTART
termoomeonsoeee. . ---- - -e.,
effeneating influence should be wrested from the I The CRAW:MI.OR of the E
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Lord COCHRANE said, then, if agreeable to The first witness called wes Mr. Messenger, SAW. est"' eau'bo
jsecedt tthoe
Kends of the Crown, it was the present.—[flear, thought there was much :Po op
the House, he should make his motion now. It was founder in Birmiegliam.
a fact, that French silks, shawls, laces, &c. were . Besides him there were examined,
to be seen on bale in this country at the present mo. Mr. Benjamin Ryder, Merchant, Birmingham ; , _ _
• hear!] When it was known that thereprevailed in • •
Theist, in great quantities, to the great prejudice of Mr. 3. Broom, lapanner ; Mr. Wm. Fidgea, Brass- ' the Uourt a base system of unprincipled favouritism. t There was much in what had been urged by .1•
Hear, hear! from Mr. Perceval.]
,What I.
our own manufactures. t had ale ay s been esteemed cock-maker, andpr. Joseph Webster', Whol-card- 6did' he : Right Honourable Friend, the Lord Advocate furill
a wise policy in this country, to prevent the impor-• trantfaititrer, A in Birtnineeant ; and Ate. Joseph.
ht Honourable Gentleman, of all other*, express I Scotland, that 1
person could
his dissent ? With all other men it had cliased"to he ' discharge not possibl
Cation of French manufactured goods into this COUR.. ' Dari. likkindthl kle,. &c. at Walattit,, likar Bir- . .t. . , the duties of two offices i:t differeut
try ; and even to give to other foreign goods .an, milighans. a matter of doubt. It was 7iotorions that the Prince iat the very same time. IThe d • places duties of the office of
advantage over them. Ile understood, however, ! Mr. BitOUdll kM rose (it heinethen nine Regent was surrounded with favourites,. and, ex.lt4 Auditor of Exchequer, were proposed to be di,.
that there were at this moment, to the amount ef o'ciockl, Midsttid,..tirat belett ithit &Ott, previoot •
Were, Minified. is with minion's: Phil., Nail charged by the Deputy, and this office itself to be
several hundred theusand pounds of French menu- to inuring that the Chairman do report progress and If there was among them a man of note or talent, ! consolidated with that of President of the Council.
lectured goods in the River; and the only clause in ask leave to sit again, to thank .the lion. Member Ithere certainly was net one of any ch aracternor I What was proposed to be transferred-to the Presi.
the licences, under which _those goods were suffered (Mr. &tikes) for the liberality of his conduct in ac- had a single individual selected the slightest claims. o dent of the Council? The reipoitiffinti of then ../..
to be imported, which wont to secure any recipro- commodating the Petitioners, by allowing them to a farthing of the public money. Ulmer, he:tr il] Ice of Auditor of the-Exchequer. How could he,
city whatever to this country, was one requiring that make the progress they hadbeen enabled to make Ile would not now notice the merits of Col. ?A Nla- as principal, be responsible. for the die-discharge of
sugara or coffee, to the value of 51. per ton burden, this night in the present important enquiry. He lion, because a fit opportunity would soon be afford- . the duties of an office, which he was not allowed' tis
should beexported.iiilicu of those rich manufactured he honed that he did not 14201 i in vain, %lien he said ed, but this mach he would assert, that the pablic , execute himself? How amid he be liable for the ac.
goods. If this' was the policy of our Ministers at Etat he expected to find a similar accommodation to- who pays hint knows nothing of any services Imbed.: tions of a man whom he
.did not appoliitte his office,
the present period of uneiainvleil 'distress to our nie. , morrow from his lion. Friend the Member for Ilert- performed. [Loud cries of hear, hear !] lie ' and whom be could not retrieve ? The consolitheion
nttfacturing interests, his Lordship was net sur- eordshire, (Mr. Brand.) Ile was fully sensible of tins thought that any Minister who dared to recommend of the (Aces of Clerk of the Polls and. Keeper of
prised, that the madufatturers were in a state df..., importance to the country- of the question to tie such an appointment, possessed a degree of fortitude the Privy Seal was also objectionable. Seteral of.
great dissatisfactions if suels'measures were resorted brought forward to-morrow by his lion. Friend, and boldness, that searcr.dy fell to the shere of any I fires stow proposed to be touched: were vested in
to, for the porporeof the better recruiting our armies which was no kit thin. &veva (teetered of ParQa. other individual in the kingdom. He (Mr. Lyttle- : individuals in fee simple. The derriving the Chief
in Portugal, he hoped they Mould lidl in producing ; inentary :Reform. His time Friend and he (lb. tottYwaknot one of those who would be parsimo- : Justices of the Courts of Kiag's Bench and Common
that effect. He concluded by reading his mottos]. I Brougham aids
) had each something to move on-this int- ' .01 public money, wheic it was claimed by ! Pleas of the power of selling, certain ewes „lit%
Mr. ROSE said, as• the Paper would he shortly! pOrtant sullied. .Ile'shotild be happy td go hatmlin , merit, bathe *Quid rather give hundreds of thou- they were at present entitled to do, without giving
before- the House, the productieu of-it *ould afford hand srith.hiellon.. Friend in his eudeavOuts to.. pro- i rude to a Nelson or a Wellington, than a sine& i any compensation, till offices to the value of "00;)I
the best ansWer and contradiction* to' the state- ' mote that Erik/ object : but still, he:hepads his farthing to a gamester or a spendthrift. [gear)! per annum should fall in, was as direct a ronbeer as
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meat of the Noble Lord. Therein* one part bow- ' Hon. Friend would women:elate Mm to-morrow as ' hear 1J . per was committed by any Legislature on the urn.
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ever,- which he could ebt teen tivsersulfee to•to ult. !he had been to-day. On the understanding that this Mei ODURTENEY contended, in a long speeyh,
,)terry of individuals. If offices to the value of 15001.
coetradicted, and that was the- itlea•oft French ma.' would be the case, he should move that `die Chainisso that the prehent Bill, admitting its end to be 4{x -1 a. year should fall in they could receive no cm-
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bite' 1 cic --vet r tlnta' rite Jean_ to sit again to. bk,
_wee altog!ther inadequate hv its means. Iti , tbon. But he would contend that the princii.io of

nefaettired silks being permitted to- be-lospierted
thisceinstry. -Such an ides geingebread'ostgist pro-
dere .great.great.ditcorstent, 'and thetefore he: amid •net.l
egree,that the motion should extend to silk geode,
whit% were, actually ptohihited.
Lord COCHRA NE contended; that he himself
;. -did, actually see Freuch• silk goods for sale withi,n
these two 'days. If no silk goods, however, bed {
really beeu imported, the return would most effec-
thatiy show Aids.
Mr. ROSE asked, would the Noble Lord take
Opontlea. he hod seen French silks 'in
the River witMn theie two days
LoierCOCIIRANE said he had seen them for
usle, and was `informed they bad been WAY int&
sherfed.
Mr. ROSE said no Cnstem,hobse Officer dared
Aufer any such article to be imported.
Sir F. nuanixr submitted, that with the in-
formation Lis Noble Friend had received, he did
nothing smite than Ms duty in bringing the matter
before the House ; and he bbpled the House would
not be satisfied unless the word silks formed part of
the motion. Tle: Return too, if it showed that no
silks had setenli} been imported, would most effee.
featly calm any dissatisfaction or fermentation that
might prevail.
Mr. ROSE thought it hardly worth while to oppefiti
the motion as it stood, as the return would giro the
best answer to this darkest and blackest charge.
Lord COCHRANF: did not pretend to say that
the silks of lie spoke had been entered at the
EusteniAotrie; but he had been informed, that they.
had -.formed part of a cargo of the value of 90001.
whiekhad been imported into this country.
After a few words farther from Sir R. Peole, Mr.
Bariag.i4nd,Mr: Rose,. •
• **rd. NEWPORT iseeed' to•adei to the motion,
the words, " Whether -fee: exportation or- forborne
consumption," when
The avot rem, so a mended, ash agreed' '
Lord COCHRANE then meted, that there be also
laid before-the House an at-emit/it' of'thb quantity of
French Silks, Laces, and other manufactured goods
seized by the °Riedel of' the• Revenue itr this Couu.
tr within the sildh.ol764;tlTitingOishing those in-

4e report Progress, • 5v17.w.15' • -
.MrOgRAWO, as fhr as ye said. titinvi the
lois 'WM' in' which be spa e, alliented 'to this 'at.'
rangement.
Ihe CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER"
also, in a very low tone, stated it to be in contempt.-
tion of a Right Hon. Friend .of his, to move to-
morrow for a Bill for the better prevention of on:.
lawful oaths, and also for the preventiikn of assassi.,
nations, which being of immediate insportanie,
submitted ought not tobe delayed. •
Mr. BRAND agreed that thameasnre•alluded tii
by the Right Hon. Gent. if thought ale4necessary,
was es urgent in its oaten, ; and as fatat we could
eollect his (Mr. Brand* Meaning, hi assented to
the propriety of the measure alluded to taking pre-
cedence of his (Mr. Brand's) motion. •
The Chairman then reported• progress, and ob-
tained leave to sit again to-.morrow,
SINECURE OFFICES BILL.
Mr. BANKES moved the Order of the Day for
.the further consideration of the Report on the Sine-
Care Offices Bill.
On the question that the Resolutions be rag a si.
send dine,
Mr. W. DUNDAS e4pressod his determlnatkon to
resist the measures, which was a gross violation of
the Act of Uoion between England and Siotland.
lie maintained that the natives of the latter, ever 1
zealous advocates •of monarchy, looked with fond
attachment to the continuance of the offices of thy'
Great Seal, the Privy. Seals and Vice-Adniiral, u
the remnants of their former regal dignities.
. The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND also
opposedthe massive, as injurioni in its principle to
the latidect intertists of hit coantryinest, slate it
abolished the office of the Cheat Seat, so ne-
cessary to the maintenance of the rights of the
Proprietors. , The chief died of the Bill was to
remove the princips from offices of high trwt, and
to appoint in their situations deputies of low ex-
traction, of incimipetent talents, and; &fillips even
destitute of common honesty, who comid. in -no way
be responsible for the discharge of the functions they
wece called upon to execute: Hie 'tided that the
`Aiebed.4

tbe :different, offices affected" by itFeogli lto
:have hem erfrAnged. in six distinct classes. It ski
altogether unlike the measures proposed by Mr.,
Burke and Mr. Pitt, in whose footsteps the Honour-
able Mover professed to tread. Those had beets con-
sidered in that Hou'se,because they came recomtpend-
ed to their attention by a Message from the. Cthsvi.
The Honourable Gentleman declared bireieff
pre-
pared to shew that this, instead of proving a mea-
sure of ecenomy would prove one of profusion, and
instead of abridging would add to Ministerial intiu-
ence.
Lord A. HAMILTON had no reason to think
that this measure would prove less popular in Scot-
land'than in England. It appeared to him, that if
there were defects in the Bill it was the duty of those
who had pointed °tem' out to assist in amending it
in the Committee, mud not to bring them forward for
the purpose of gelling rid of the Bill altogether.—
The House had now been receiving Reports from the
Fiance Committee for three years, they had affected
great anxiety concerning them, and now in a year
when the National Expenditure would probably
hardly fall short of a hundred millinusy they %cep)
called on by the Honourable Gentlemen opposite,
to-reject the Bill now before them, because there
were certain imperfections to be found in particular
parts of it. Seeing, as he did, that this was the true
object of these who opposed it, he shoat] feel
ashamed to discuss the provisions of such a measure
in detail in the present stage of the question. lie
regarded it as a partial fulfilment of some of the
many pledges which that House had given to the
country, and considering that it had now to decide
whether it would do any thing or nothing, he should
certainly vote in soppore of the 'notion.
Colonel BASTARD professed that he looked at
Ithe opposition Oven to this measure as not &little
'nsidionsl --Mate7 hear !]—That' House had' been
long engaged in eiciting expectatiotts and feeding
hopes in the people, which,.whether they were for ever.
to be disappointed, the vote of that night would pro-
bably determine.—Ukor, hear !]—They had been
4old that they ought to consider this measure with
the rtfeitece to past, not to present time's, and to
Ite

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tended for honk' cirnsbeiptioti sad eirportatioDi—

pecips%taliCes
,wkruabolit ....4.-4,71cr0, no! from
Basstkarl—Tbe.Blill iald•yes ; .howes sorry that
the Ken. Gentletninl itas dot acquidithed with the
provisions of .hiS'own VII. Unless ii emild an argued
that deputies were the same as principals, the chief
office was abolished. Besides this objection, some
of the Deputies would be required-to perform duties
at the same-time and in different places. He would
venture to say, that if this Act were passed, the
people of Scotland would be in a state of astonish-
ment mixed with indignation. It had been said by a.
Right lion. Centleman(Mr. Grattan) on a former
night, that Ireland appeared in person at the Bar of
tie house, arrayed in her robes of state and irpe-
rial crown to demand justice. Did Scotland ap-
proach with less dignity, or did her rights deserteiless
tespect P The lion. Member then preCeeded ' to argue
rbe danger that would result to the revenue if the
responsible and opulent individuals now occupying
the places of Receiver* General of Land Tax, Cus-
Fische, and Bishop'slientoi:wero tethered,
and their places supplied by men whet might almost
witlibutiunity dofraud tht public of theinimetwe Sums
Finsiostoolnwthem. 141
' More good an
hiiiijt than gimid, hn should ,`, [tit its,
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tiler • - - "

'Bill was highly objectionable. He would main.
WA, that to state that the Crown should have no
power to secure to its PCI9IOIIO, the grants of offi,:ps
without any duties antecedent to any service perform..
ed by them, was contrary to the spirit of the Cnniii.
tution. To say that no person should be entitled to
any reward for his services till after he had served fits
years, was to strip the country of theservices of many
_persons or merit, who might think that an office upon
such conditions was unworthy of their acceptance.
'-----The Crown ought not to be reduced to the
necessity of being at all times surrounded by ariito.
erotical combinations of persons to whom the care of
providing for those they might leave behind them wns
a matter of inditference.--[//eur I—This would be
to deprive the Crown of the assistance of many per.
sons eminently calculated to discharge the duties of
important situations. Would any man look at the
number of offices proposed to bo abolished, and then
tell him that the power of the Crown would not be
materially abridged by it? He knew there were
many persons who thought the power of the Crown
was at present too great.—[ Hear, hear! from the
Oppositient:l-11e knew that many who now cheered
him were amongst the foremost of those who enter.
taiued this opinion.—[llvtr, hear !]—But he would
maintain that the power of the Crown was not greater
thee v. hat was necessary to withstand the influence
wbielt the great increase of wealth and property in
the Canary gave to the popular and aristocratical
branches of the Constitution.—[Hear!]—lf he were
to say that the Crown was impaired, he would only
hare to refer to the late Vote of The House in the
case of Colonel hi'Mahen. No man whose object
was not to• make a declamatory harangue, and to
make a figure iu a neWirsilter, :'would say that there
vies any thing.flagrant .io the .'appoint'ment of that
Gentleman to the offietkrcoei whitish-he was removed.
Bis Menlo were then lotiklir proclaimed. by Gentle-
men opposite, hoWerei they might now think pro-
per to withdraw their praise. No man would' say
that this _Bill 'did not materially diminish the influence
a the Crown ; and. whether this influence ought or
ought not to be diniinished ;Was' surely an object of
grave deliberation. He denied that the influence of
has • increased.—[llear ! fro, the Ome.

try it by prificiples abstract . from any immedist.
considerations. iVarit then, possible for them -to
shut their eyes to all that was passing in the country,
to those' grievous burdens under which alniesit 411
classes were now suffering ?—jllear, heat 1-L.Was
it posiible that the peasant, who could scarcely pro-
cure the loaf that was to sustain the lives of his child-
renohould not feel impatient* it finding himself',
compelled to contribute to the gratification of their
luxurious appetites, whose only recommendatiOA-
was_, that they were the favourites or the creatural of
a Minister.--(Hour, hear !I—The time was now
come when something Must be done—[hear, hear t]
They had indeed that night been told, that they
could not with propriety enter upon this subject
without an instruction from the Crown. Good God t
thatit should be stated even in that House itself,
that thby had no right to euguire lute, or tit provide
for the redress of public grietinors, agatipt.46l.4l.e.
case of message from the Throne.-ITher, 'hair n
Such akopOsitton carried with it its own refatittiost .
in the misid of every man. Much had biia said of
the veliem4ty of furilshing reward' to serlicej but'
tlker, glotive expected to operatsi &at:fiesta
with' Members of Pafffifneric h sttatestthrrtlath4
to ttaeir dek, than the certainty and the ailbsbit of
- might have to 'fQl

Olt 11 X dif.

Mr. R. WARD gage"tiottett, that he. should on
Friday moan Addiesi tilt' the PROS Regionsla-
the to the expence of the Barreek-Department.
PETITION AnkiN.ST,s,INgrAnTES,- ANT) A UAW-
ANCI% TO vOREAGNFAM
Mr. BROUGHAM held in his hand a Ifetitinh
from a numbet of: Weavers and others residi* in
Chorley,. in Lancashire, and iti'nelghbourhoOd—This.
Petition cOinplained of the granting sincere' teMi.
Rose;..the Earl of Baekingltaithire, • and- others, as
to which they. Wilted' to be well-informed. They
also coMplaioed of-another species of graatowarhich
their infotieditietrtwtk- kis -tottect, name*. ott the
bead 'of 'relief giantiollig this country to Foreigners
—in as far, at least, as they comprehend thesDuchess
of Bruns% irk, who • wits • a tiitttiPot this country,
andlhhi sleet, of 'obi.' King„ intonge• fhb' dumber.—
Deshles'snoing the attentfeteOffthe Howie to thole
tieing, the PVtitioned altitpfettid relief by hairint t
thwoat oral chansels'tvllr•tti sate Mows thrown I
open -te them. =•••• iokisoa
The Petition was beisligfienfi 'and-- read. latillisl•
question that it do lie' n the table,
Mr. ROSE eking the first per<oh named in the
Petition, as•posse3sing-Wainecure place, thought him-;
self untitled to state thit'he teceived that Otte front
bis-Severetnr, in conhelqUeOLT- of an Address from
the other House of Parliament.
Mr. BROUGHAM was satisfied the way in which
the Right 'Hoer. Gentlentan had obtained the plate ,1
alleided'to,weras Ittonoorable to himself as the pileii!
sessieo of Rey sinecure' place could be to any mini.
Solar wlliY I*.(hfri B.),firoist:being offended that the.
Might Hon. Gentleman should 'hare e 'sinecure place;
be assured him he would mach rather see him enjoy
• piste for.which he did no duty, than olio where: his
bani a duty to perform.--[A bik,gh.) -
Tke Petition was then ordered te.lie on the table.
COXMISSARIAT 111 •Ptlnt t/GIL.
Mr. BENNE'r moved forlin account of the num.
ter of persons placed undertsiVoromissary-Gentral
fa Portugal.—Ordered. "
WAR PtIVMS.

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Mr. L71"17Lrr0147 observed, tvm iotwithsawd:
Ilighisthoriiies of Junius iod Wilkes, be
oily

the pecuniary compensation they might have to .
ceivel—[licar, hear !)--The lion. Mov,er
doubtless laboured a long time with a eommesidable
'4 yet

the Crown n•ge- " V
SiliOilelie MalnheitietYthittthe wealth of the coon-
try had more tfMn kept pace with the increased in-
fluence .of an augmentation of rereupe, By the pre-
sent Bill they were lilitbding a blow to the monar-
chical part of thiConstitution. -
Mr. BANKFS observed, that much the greater
part of the speech of the Right Honourable Gentle.
man, and those who Weeded him on the wile side,
referred to points which ought properly to be urged
lin a Committee. He' wished they had confined
themselves to the principle of the Bill, and had not
harassed him with this double difficulty. There were
few Offites intended to be abolished. It m as only
intended to abolish large Salaries when attached to
1 inefficient offices. Almost all the arguments of the
Honourable Gentlemen from the northern part of
the island, seemed to him to be founded on a mil'.
conceptioh. It was astonishing to Lim that thota
Gentlemen, with ail the acuteness generally attri-
liloteduld" to the
havethenatbiveeesn thatnafbleto orne
part ofhe the comtt
i.
r Right Honourable Friend, -however, '(the Chanceites
toff the Exchequer).,eeemed to comprehend very
11, comprehend (t v
e br li eleedr-rn neeinlied. difference between as
'Office and"-titti'SatiliyrOf ith Offie..--{A laugh 4
lil iarz,
s
ab
';'the lir Member tfiettNievit. through the various

hailaiwayitlosught the assertion a .. Aumny that the
Scottish tuition was attached with p Liar fervour to
any thing is the shape of pecuniarytolument ; the
speech jest delivered had induced hi* to waver in his
1 opinion,. and perhaps his corrntiymen might, thank
I the iflonburible and Learned Gentleiiian for a coufir-
T. Masson-of the truth, of the statement. [Hear, hear!]
I He (Mr. L.) could not give them equal credit for
that ttiletie attachment to Monarchy which had
: been so mach boasted ; uor woula berdwelt upon the
`subject, lest the headless ghost of a• Charles and a",
rMontrose should be conjured up is 'the ionsgleatienti
ef the Members for North Britain. lie had pissed
a .considerable portion of his life in Scettand, and he.
1 would, not, as their countrymen to-night had &Me,
be sb unjust as to assert that he hattneticed4ey pe-
culiar affection for the majesty of Inefficiency, or the
dignity of idleness. With regard to the immediate
! question, he was fully Couvitteed "!!lift the tree ree4
Sort why:the;inflifence of the Saistneriscy of Seotlend
reface Was so debased, was because 'these' RI now die
I subject of contenti94.llhd Weis lied. kW
been said thatpersons of h4sli' ''. distielPitsised
talents should tilt sinecure alltslirlear- At vianied of
tieritiriOus serriers:- He thou that tMII argn•
ilehttt- catto-orth a, rely bad grace kept those who h
Visedtthe recent appelntricio et 0,6„.1 lc mak
't14016-"iij !kart' ltVitio'l3 "lac .bi .wg-Mh;,w

perseverance, but he must say. that he hria done
.nothing, He had himself some objections to the
mode pursued by the present Jill? and should late'
greatly preferred seeing every I:o9arate office put to"
the vote, and a Bill subsequent i.preptred conform.-
ably to that decision. But it leist.fit wag incumbent
on those who talked of the necessity of remunera-
. tion, to show the reality
.of the service.—[f feat,
h'ear fay from believing them to `be always
I concomitant, he was convinced it would be difficult
voiat out ten in the whole list that partook of this
-*mete!. .It was too often .given, rather as-
a for accepting office, than for'
the labours or the , services performed in Ito.--
Pensions were given on all occasions, hini-
-ever, to those who had filled office, let the period be
ever so shorti the 'mere Met of Nevins been in Office
was held an indisputable title to a sinecore, or a
nliun for life. Looking tithe present situaftoW of
the cOantryllt• liaew not what conseqaenie .
•eitteel if titej4jd• net lithibit to the people some
pro ,tat had their interests, rather than their
own ak implored the Home, therefore,
to attend earehdlyie the real eirOniststances •of 'the
ihnetti tq ttyinge a alsposittea to peeteet, alb& mit 'a
gnardinu People, 1) adoptl_ne.ativiikorka.
viero • 'Aga. it*Atllitgw-s

.ton.
adauiee of the Bill; oh/ endeavoured to shew that
they would not ofify riot baprejudicial to any pennons
'That the principles itself if

now holdigg aka, bitiihat the prn...,
the Bill were founded strictly upon precious rase's-
tions of that !loose. Those princip;es he contendell
were sound ; their we* consonant to the plain, un-
Siophiiticatec' feelings of the thinking part of the
' country ; and if they were suffered to pass into s
w be Pight confidently, affirm, they would lone
'the House of Cd4llllollt in, a more pure state al.ler
they *ere's°. passed, than %hat it -could be if the hill
should not pins: tw
• Several 'other Members spoke ; after which
11-olpgidlyldefi—. • •
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Mr. BARING meted.that there be laid Vefate the
Moose an account' stewing' t‘e amount of money
i q 1 for the service of the-1 nited Kingdom from the
OM to 1811, incluskie, distinguishing the
• *dui, liked by an increase of-slw National Debt
f roust/wag— raised by Taxes.—Oriliva.
• , ORDERS IN et/WM.lOi.:
Mr. SA M 301401 then inOverit4 Order of the'
Day, for ,kin „ into Covatnittge an the
4,llistersiu_tri n.cFF,a,..„lfos,Deing *sae•
le 'ail into said .
oismittee its. ;

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The gallery remained closed for a considerable
time. Wheu it was re:Opeued, we found the Bill wai
re.r.onamittect.
Mr. WYNNE proposed to add the office of First
Commissioner for India Affairs tb the '2d class, *bid'
*as objected to by Mr. BANES and ethers, but
was carried. He then proposed to include the orf.ee
of Judge-Advocate-General, which occasiongd cos
siderable discussion.
Me—TIERNEY contended, that such officers were
n atotigsually taken from. high practice in the law; Fol
'1 IWIOI/1 was :sue oacestdry to•tempt pencils
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The ATTORNr:Y.6IP.NFRAL AO, that Mr.
Bond was eminent in theclecult; innithist the kesent
Judge-Advocate had show; great professional talent,
though not in great practice.
Mr. BA NKES hoped Mr. Wynne would not spoil
the Bill by. such extensions. The office ought to be
viewed as a judicial one, and not as political. It
would be, therefore, more for its dignity and utility,
if it were exparliamentary.
The G:I.A3ICIit.LOR of the EXCHEQUER
Mw no (Jaren:nee in the matter, whether the holder
were 1u or out' of 1-arliament, as it respected' the
Merit of titservicei.
Mr. WHITBREAD thought Mr. Wynne's amend.
snenk.tioold overlay the preseut Bill : the office in
quest an 4opesided, iterely on the existence of the
East India Compiny.
Mr."CSNDif NG tkought it would be better that
ottliidg;-Adviscate were an ex parliamentary officer.
Mr. MANNING Pertly Mriieuired in the same
spi .ion.
Mr. NV 'NNE did dot wish to press his Amend.
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Mr. RYD'..R sopported It; and the question was
re aid cep ed.
Mr. w 1 NNE poseatifinelude the Pastnaster-
General, hut taker -semi .conversation relinquished
Cat Amcndiriett.' •
Mr..(3: LONG proposed the Clerkship of the Ord-
:la:we for the Mllt claps, which was agreed to by Mr.
Lati%ei. „-
Mr. TIERNEY. said, he Should move ori''..the
third reridiag,• that it should tie distinguished, whe-
ther the • see rice wig in peace or war gn 'the same
principle as the Secretaryship of the 4,41;i1tx. The
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Amendrous-revacereied. .
Mr.. COUWEL.IIiIt gave notice of an Amendment
respecting-services in inferior offices.
Mr. DANIFS GIDDY end Mr. CANNING:
versed some.Arnendmerits which were agreed to.
Col: BARRY objected to-what affected the Irish
pension List, es violating. the agreement lirsth the
Creels for the present King's life.
Mr. CANNING said, that it did not affett the
Civil List, but only its distribution.
Colonel Barry's Amendment was negatived. At
a moiety of conversation, the Bill was ordesed to
be read a third time on Monday next. -
The CHANCELLOR. if- the FICHEQUER.'
brought in a Bill ter prevent.the issue and circulation
or dollars and tokens, other than those of the Banks
of England and Ireland.—A long conversation on
the subject ensued.
Adjourned it 111.1LF-T tST YOUR.