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The motion was seconded by General JOHNSON.
Mr. GRIMSDITCH and Mr. AGLIONBY begged of Mr.
Fielden not to press his motion to a division, and
Mr. ESTCOTT and Mr. R. Yonim added their entreaties
to the same effect.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he believed the new Poor Law Bill
had proved beneficial to the poorer classes of the people, es-
pecially in the rural districts, and he, therefore, could per-
ceive no necessity for the proposed inquiry.
Captain PECHELL supported the motion, which was nega-
tived, on a division, by a majority of 125 to 8.
The house then went into committee, and, on the second
clause being proposed, a discussion arose as to the powers to
be given to the assistant poor law commissioners.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved a proviso with a view to meet the
wishes of those who opposed the clause, but even as thus
amended it was opposed by Captain Pechell, who divided
the house, when the clause was carried by a majority of 59
to 9.

Clause 23, providing that guardians might set the paupers
to work, subject to the power of the poorlaw commissioners,
was opposed by Mr. S. Crawford, but on a division was car-
ried by a majority of 84 to 8.
Mr. DARBY moved the insertion of a clause to prevent
any parish governed by a local act from being interfered with
by the poor law, unless with the consent of two-thirds of the
guardians of such parish.
Sir J. GRAHAM opposed the clause, which was negatived,
on a division, by a majority of 91 to 42.
The whole of the clauses proposed by Sir J. GRAHAM, in
accordance with the intimation which_ he had given in the
early part of the evening, having been agreed to, the house
resumed, and the report was ordered to be received this day.
The remainder of the night was occupied in committee on
the South Australian Bill.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—WEDNESDAY.
Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that he would move a series of
resolutions on Thursday, with reference to the report of the
election compromises committee. He would state the nature
of those resolutions after the report was in the hands of the
hon. members of the house.
Sir J. GRAHAM, in reply to Mr. Barclay, said he would
postpone, until next session, his announced bill for giving
charters to the Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons.
Mr. GLADSTONE moved the second reading of the bonded
corn bill, a measure which he said originated with Mr. Hutt,
through whose exertions the subject had been considered,
and recommended by a select committee of the house. The
object of the bill was to permit the grinding of foreign corn
in bond, which he believed would be most beneficial conces-
sion to the commerce of the country without affecting
injuriously the interests of the agriculturists, every precaution
being taken by the Custom-house against fraud. He had no
hesitation in declaring his belief that the fears with which a
measure of this kind had been hitherto regarded were per-
fectly groundless.
Colonel RUSHBROOKE opposed the measure, and moved
that the bill be read a second time that day three months.
Mr. TROTTER and Mr. G. PALMER also opposed the bill.
Mr. HUTT said that this measure was one of great im-
portance to the shipping and mercantile interests, because
they would thereby be enabled to provision their ships with
flour and biscuit at foreign prices, an incalculable advantage
to our commerce.
Lord PALMERSTON expressed his regret that the measure
did not take a wider range.
Mr. DARBY deprecated going into the general question of
the corn laws on this bill, upon which
Mr. ROEBUCK said, be should go into the general ques-
tion; and he accordingly condemned the conduct of the
landlords who displayed their monopolising spirit in op-
posing this bill in the present state of the country, lest it
should lower by a fraction the price of corn to the people.
He designated the opposition to so small a measure as petty
and mean.
Sir T. ACLAND strongly and warmly denied that the land-
lords were actuated by a desire to uphold their rents at the
expense of the people.
Mr. HUME said that Mr. Roebuck had put the question
on its right footing, and said he believed the measure en-
titled to support.
Colonel SIBTHORP intimated that Mr. Hume and Mr.
Roebuck were against the agriculturists because they possessed
no land—the grapes were sour and they acted accordingly.
On a division the second reading of the bill was carried by
a majority of 116 to 29.
On the bringing up of the report of the Poor Law Bill,
Mr. ESCOTT moved the following clause :—" That it shall
be lawful for all boards of guardians of the poor in England
and Wales to grant such relief as in their judgment shall be
necessary to poor persons at their own houses, any order,
rule, or regulation of the poor law commissioners notwith-
standing." Much as he had tried to make himself acquainted
with the principle of the poor law, he confessed that he was
still ignorant of it. If the principle were to deny relief, ex-
cept within the walls of the workhouse, he must say he was
strenuously opposed to any such principle, and believed it
could not be maintained for any length of time. From his
own experience in an agricultural district he could say that
the workhouse test was productive of the worst effects. The
hard-working industrious man would not go into the work-
house until broken down by poverty and disease, while the
idle and profligate resorted to it without hesitation. He
called upon the house to agree to his motion before the ap-
proaching winter should lay its iron grasp on the poor.
Sir J. GRAHAM contended that it was quite a mistake to
imagine that out-door relief was prohibited ; for in all cases
of sickness or distress, a discretionary power was vested in
the guardians to relieve them at their own homes. The
right hon. baronet then read a variety of returns to show
the extent to which out-door relief was administered since
the year 1838, and concluded by opposing the motion of
Mr. Escott, as calculated to revive all the evils which existed
under the old law, without producing any counter-acting
benefit.
Mr. FIELDEN contended that the Poor Law Bill ought to
be erased from the Statute-book, as being founded ,in

injustice.
Mr. WARD said that the house would commit a most
serious mistake if it adopted the clause.
Mr. O'CONNELL supported the principle of extending
out-door relief.
After some observations from Mr. HARDY, Mr. AGLION-
BY, and Sir E. K.NA.TCHBULL,
Mr. KEMBLE said it was his wish to see the severity of
the poor law, as far as possible, ameliorated, but he still
thought Mr. Escott was not exercising a sound discretion
in pressing his motion to a division, and would therefore
decline to vote with him.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD was decidedly of a different opinion,
and he hoped he would press it to a division.
After some observations from Mr. HUME and General
JOHNSON the house divided, Mr. Kemble walking out of
the house in order not to vote, amidst general cheering.
The motion of Mr. Escott was then negatived by a ma-
jority of 90 to 55.
The report was then agreed to ; the bill was ordered to be
engrossed and read a third time on Friday.
On the motion for the house resolving itself into a com-
mittee of supply,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE, at the request of Lord Sandon, post-
poned the motion of which he had given notice, relative to
the trial of John Mason, a chartist lecturer, and seven work-
ing men, at the late quarter sessions for the county of Staf-
ford. The ground for making the request was, that the hon.
gentleman had given only 24 hours' notice of his motion,
which was not sufficient to allow of any communication with
the magistrates by whom they were tried. The motion is to
be renewed on the next night of supply.
The house then went into committee of supply.
On the vote for Maynooth being moved,
Mr. PLUMPTRE objected to it, on the ground that it was
inconsistent in a Protestant country to support an institution
which taught doctrines different from those inculcated by
the established church.
After a few words from Lord CLEMENTS,
Mr. BATESON said he trusted the house would permit him

an opportunity to state concisely the reasons which must
prevail with him and induce him on this occasion to vote
against the grant. Impressed as he was with the force of
those reasons, it was impossible he could consent to give a
silent vote upon the question before the committee. He
confessed he looked at the grant with lively apprehension,
and regretted that it should have appeared necessary to her
Majesty's present advisers to propose a grant which, although
it might be deemed to be a legacy entailed upon the Imperial
Parliament by the Irish Parliament, must be considered by
All who were acquainted with the constitution of this Pro-

testant realm as a violation of the principles in which tha
constitution had been founded. The political end for whicl
the college was founded_ had not been attained. Instead o

producing a priesthood learned, tolerant, exemplary in their
conduct, and well affected to the Government, like the Ro-
man Catholic clergy who were educated in the continental
colleges. it had produced a priesthood not distinguished for
their great talents and attainments, but who employed their
influence as ministers of religion in exciting discontent
amongst the people, encouraging them to disobey the law,
and in creating dissensions betwixt the tenantry and the
landlords of Ireland—(ironical cries of " Hear, hear," from

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the opposition). He assured the house that in objecting to
this grant he was actuated by no unfriendly spirit towards
the Roman Catholics. (Oh, oh.) He knew there were per-
sons amongst them most exemplary in their character and
conduct—(hear, hear)—and it was for the sake of Catholics
as well as Protestants that he opposed the grant. He called
upon the house, by refusing its support to this college, which
inculcated in the minds of its students the most bitter sec-
tarian spirit, to protect the Catholics of Ireland from the
evils of political religion. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HAWES deprecated the spirit w.lich pervaded the ob-
servations of the hon. gentleman who had just sat down.
Every church ought to stand on its own foundation—(hear.)
He
deprecated the sectarian spirit which had been manifested
in this debate, and could not perceive what good could be
ocobntadiuncetdedbrimindulging in coarse abuse of the priesthood
eorceouioldahcavb
Ireland. of
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refuse the grantt altogether than to grant it in such a spirit.
while grants w°
It was absurd argue this question on conscientious grounds,
elsewhere. poerrehFnade to sectarian churches in Canada and
of proceeding so ul own part, he could conceive no, course
peal in Ir calculated
eland as a to foster a feeling in favor of re-
the priesthood of s refusal to contribute to the education of
Mr. B. cocintitezr;eighths of its population.
wrong might be done oiluild not admit as a principle that
obtained. If the order that a good result might be
supported were good, the principle on which this institution was
a member of the reformed church,
was not half enough. As
tiously support an institution w7l?' he could not conscien-
tiously
G. SMYTH said that havinguch tended to its subversion.
the word " beastiality" to the systernn accused of applying
at Maynooth, and being the author of it°f education adopted
be felt called upon to make a few observations; k on the subject,
not pollute the ears of the house by going through He dared
the filthiness instilled into the minds of those educated a detail of
Maynooth. His opinions were founded on tcldeuceated at
given before a committee appointed to inquire into evidence
the stiv,
ject by the president of the college. He might not, perhaps,
be adverse to increase the grant, for by doing so he might
hope perhaps to establish a better system of education. 1;
could not, although unwilling to interfere with the religion
of others, consent to support an institution so pregnant with
danger to the established church. And was not, he would
ask, the establishment in danger when the right hon. and
learned member for Cork, at a meeting of the Catholic In-
stitute the other day, said that he wished to see the day when