The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-18 00:00:00

STATESMAN.

lions not even a shadow of agency had been peoved,
had been attempted to he bruited in, and his de-
duration made evidence, he had undoubtedly op-
posed it. Hut ke felt, that whatever degree of
agency 'night be proved with regard to Viimacarti,
if it would not directly violate the rules of law, he
was anxious for a full inquiry into his conduct. The
('pinion which bad been delivered to their Lordships
was, according to the admission of the Learned Chief
Judge, formed with much difficulty. He understood
the Attorney-Oeneral to hare waived tr objection on
his part to the admission of the evidence. And fit'
himself, he (Lord L.) would say, he was most anxious'
that it should be admitted, if Counsel on the other
side were allowed the means of rebutting the charges.
Earl flair was of opinion that the questions ought
now to be put, but certainly not for the reasons which
the Noble Earl opposite had laid down. He thought
the opinion which had been declared by the learned
Chief Judge, perfectly clear and distinct; and if the
House were bound by that opiniyn, which in his opinion,
it certainly was not, the declaration of the Loaned
fur the Bill would influence him in the departing hem
it. Neither could he under the grounds which the
Noble Lord bad stated, nor ender the misty he had ex-
pressed, and which he regretted I lid net appear at an
earlier period, when it might hare saved a good deal
of time and discussion, consent to the questson being
put. He had said, that it was a question justifiable with-
out such reasons, and he was more than ever confirmed
in that opinion by
.what bad been delivered by the Learn-
ed Chief Jollities in the name, and by the authority
of the other Judges. A question had been pat to them,
whether, according to the practice of the courts
below, a certain question might be put ; and bej
must say the answer to that question was sot
at all satisfactory. The Learned Chief Justice
had not stated in that elaborate argument by which
he supported his owe opinion, what was the practice of
the Courts below. He coamived, that he (Lord C. J.)
bad stated his opinion with a degree of elaborate
argument and length which was wholly uncalled for in
that place. He had afterwards concluded by Mating the
material fact, that circesestanees arising out of a ease
might influence a Judge in departing from the regular
practice of the court. He bad said that a case might I
arise in which a judge, in the anxiety which he
would feel to do impartial justice, would think I
it right to admit evidence of such a nature. He,
therefore contended, that ender the special sires.-
stances of this cast, the evidence ought to be received
according to the admission of the Learned Chief Justice
hiwseif. Under the circumstances of these especial and
extravagant proceedings, the question ought to be pet,
and therefore, be humbly moved that it be put forth-
with.

The Loss Cuartrasson said he should net reseed
his objectioo is the admissibility of this evidence, were
it not that the Learned Jaige who had delivered his
opinion against its admissibility. had stated a circus-
stasce of coosidevable importance. That Learned
Judge bad in asnount said this :—" If particular dr-
cumstaaces 'Wald induce the House to admit the evi-
dence, the Courts below will not consider that circus"•
stance ass falters precedent for them, because they will,
believe that the House leaked at those particular sad
special circumstances." Now, be (the Lord Chan-
cellor) was bound to state that la his honest opialoo,
tht ease of particular eirounisamso to warrant
this 'widow% was mot made out, sod, be therefore,
thought that the 'widens* ought set to be received. 1k
should Dot, however, press his objection, because be
found that his co-oquals it judgment and experience
differed from him. He bowed to their opiates, though
he could sot but say that he retained his own.
Lord Basattra spoke shortly in support of the admis-
sibility of the evidence, sad &deeded the opiaion of the
Learned Judge. It was well 'mows, sad was stated by
the Judge, that whenever a conspiracy was charged, the
party ehargtag the conspiracy may begin with moral
evidence, and thee fellow it up with particulars. In
short, be (Lord B.) could not see how an objection to
this 'eldest* could be supported.
• The lon. CNA/MELLO* then pet the question that
the witness Poseari, should be called back ; and the
question was carried In the affirmative without a
division.

POMARI was then ordered to be called to the Bar;
and in a few miaow: he appeared. His examination
was thea resumed by Mr. Wylde. The former ques-
tions and answers of the witness relating to this part
of the nee were Ant read evert bat an application by
Mr. Denman, that they should be interpreted to him,
was refused.

You have stated that Vlinward spoke to you about
the persons in your employer's ace belonging to her
Royal Highness. Did he offer yea any inducement
(Sr you to give him those papers ?—He told me he
would give me as employment which would bring
me more emolument than my resent employer would
give. _ _

Dii he state the nature of the 'Employment he would
Fire yin f—Yes. in the Police of Milan.
Did you do any thing in consequence with any
paper of her Royal Highness ?-011 the following day
I brought him some papers.
Did he say at what time you were to go to his of-
fice ?--He said the freeing.
Did he ameatioa any time ?--After son set.
Did you epos any ether oressios take any other
papers of her Royal Highness to him ?—1 did.
On how many ocessiose did yin take repot" be-
doughy( sotif Royal Highness to Vilaacarti ?—I don't
know hew many
irempmestly ?-44.
Moat how Aim do you Umiak 1--Seven or eight
times at the unmet.

Did Vihneeesti knew when you took tbese papers,
that roe were s Clerk in the Ake of her Royal
Higheese's Agent ?--He did.
By whose Anodes* did you take these papers ?
I doe% hew the same.

Did you have any conversation with Vilaiacarti,
sheet taking dins ?-41e told ate to bring at the
papers I could gee.
Do you receive any thing fees Viloscarti for this ?
Tee, money.
Hen ellen did yea receive mealy?--six
Were yen semis/ with the roomy you received front
Vihmasard P--1 was ant.—(A laegh)
Did yea ever snake say ceireplaiats to Col. &twee,
that Vilsnaesepl had sat rid yea ~sigh for takiag
r her keys' 111 'orogen ?—lree, I did ease.
what did Oa ireivile ay when yes ceespialar4 ?
lie laid se he was Vireararti's Friend, sad that bo
mad ass daubs rise Yfll cad avaid prima his
premiss 1111 111•• •
SW pat is e us of your caniplaiat in Col.
)11riserarsienil his mom wake say mbar aprimatios
ss 11.-428 L *mu sow t.o e• etdl she sail
day Ili 1111=ibe. W ha s weali owes mat
Ibleg Noah I

Did you call en Viltnacarti in consequetwe*--Yes•
Did yogi receive any wore motley ?--Yes: I dio.
Does the witness know to what subject these papers
related, of which he 'peas.—They were letters.
Were there any examination of witnesses ?.--Not
aawagst the letters.; they are letters of her Royal fligh-
tless, of tiergami, am! others.
Were there any depositions or ssatonseats of uitnesses ?
No.

DOIS he know to what subject these letters related
Some of thew.

State what he knows —Oar of them was from Rer.
gami. in which se said that he would not return to Mi.
rau, unless those pers•ms, who are in the habit of got! 7
without skein, shou;d go without them again.—(•t
laugh.)
Lord Omar thought it would he suifii•ient to state ze.
penll• that subject of those letteei.
Dan be know a person of the name of Riguti?---
I ie.

Did Riganti make application to him about ars.
papers ?—•He did. He has been at my house.
Did witness tell Vilmacarti about these papa
He did.

What did Vihnacarti say about these papers
applied to sne fur them. I did tint t now Itigant;, 0,1
I asked Vihusearti what kind of matt he Wag --11 e
had use, he was a man of condition, and desired we
to give him sip these papers.
What kind of application did Riganti make is ref.,
about these papers:—lle asked me to give them total*,
and he would give me cash.
What papers did Iliganti wish you to give him?_
Papers relative to her Royal llighness.
What affairs of her Royal Highness f—The affairs
that are now before England.
bid Riganti knot% in whose employment you was?—
He did, fur he came to my house.
Did l'ilinacarti say any thing more about Riganti
He told use he was a person of ch'sractrr.
Will you describe the kind of house that Colonel
Brown had ?—There was a shop both sides of the
door.

What kind of merchandise was sold there F—Tlsere
wu alabasta, and tobacco and snuff.

Cross-examined by the Souctrua-Hexteat..—Were
you sot in the service of Cbeliui Versali, when you
came this country ?---\o.
you represent to any one that you were ?—Never.
'bid Versali ever represent to any ono in your pre-
MOP that you were in his service ?--Never.
Did you know at that time that Volmacarti was an
agent for the Milan Commission?—les.
Toe told as you saw a person who told you to p to
Vilmacarti? I want to know nhether you knew talon
re saw that person that Vilmacarti was employed t—
ie&
Did you then know that your employer had papers
belonging to her Royal Highness in his pesesmou !
Yea. they were in my writing-desk.
Did you not then as an honest man imam your master
of the offer which bad been mad+ you?—No.
Did you not conceive it to be your duty to do se?-4
thought I should do no mischief or harm.
Do you mean to say that von *ought you could do
no harm in delivering the loiters sod documents of her
Royal Highness to l'ilenearti ?—Deeements I did out 0
give. I gave letters duly.
Do you mean to say thee, that you thought yon should
do solar= in delivering the letters of Ler !loyal Mgt-
ness ?—No, I did not.
Did you not eoseeive it to be your daft to inform,
your master in order that be enightjudge knout( as to
whether it would do barns or not ?-110, I did not tell

That is no answer to my eptestion. I ask yea whether
yea did not think it yoar slaty ha inform your master of
these attempts to corrupt you ?—I believed it was uti-
lising.
Ito you mean by that to my yea thought it Doti*
to give up the letters, ale that it was set your ditty to
inform year master ?—1 thought it was sty ditty bat I
neglected it.
Now I beg yea will have the pesulasee le tail as who
the person was that called apes yea?-1 don't know Lis
name.

Where did yen see bias ?—Neer the timers.
Did you meet bim by accWent ?—Yes ; I did ast knew
him, he stopped me, sod spoke to me.
Did Ton not ask bias Cis same trier be prspestd
your Firing the papers to Vilma:art' f—l inked kiss kis
name, and be told me it was no besieges of mine to
know it.

When did you see him the mood time?—The lair
lowing day.
!Myer' meet him by widest the second day ?,--Tes.
The same boar ?-1 ea.
Did be ripest the same pracdal pot the mood
time I—lie asked one whether I thought epee what
be had proposed to sae the day before?-1 asowersd I
world not do it.

Did you see him 'pin ?—No,
Then after saying you would not go to Vibauratti.
in point of feet von did ?—Yes.
Did you ask him his name the second time?—Yes.
but he would not tell me.

Where did on go with him 7 -He took me as far
as his own dem;
DW you ever see him spin ?—I saw him OW*. hat
I did am see his face.
Wad you se curiosity to keow who he was ?-4/ I
could haw whole wee. I eestidaly
Did you ever iellovribint r---Tea, the woad flaw!
When ?—As far as thedo or d Vilaseserd.
Had yea any papers of her Rays/ lifigbams's in your
pocket when be int spoke to yes P—Tise fallowing day
brought them with met het I had net any the gem
time.

Dial yes ever meet his by at:eldest spio ?—Only oars.
Did yea speak t. his T—No, I *sly saw Ms back.
Was he yosag *l4?-5114We aged.
Wbst was kis risspleitos ?—II. had dark hair.
Was be stoat or stiierwise?—ilatber Maud.
How was he dressed ?---1 ass sot the palates to draw
is Oersre.—(A laugh.)
ia se aitswe4 I ask yet bow was be dressed ?
461 A knew.
_ _

What de pia seas by that. Do yea wan that vea
doal seasreaberi-11 do sot rewombet how he was Ire;-•
meek be was well dressed. hat Ido aos rentraahar paid.
cultist.
Has ant any one tohl yea when yea came to this Hat
to be careful nut to use the .1 sea soi Artois.'
the witaess's seowyr " that Ad taw remember" wee I
eoaveyeal in Italia, by aa Mama from that
et wen gal rieordo?-1 have It Milted shoat sew% ,
sad I asked whet k uses t.
Uhl Vitali not tell yes Is be emir' set to toy it
here i—No.
Has no one told yea Se some, meetly flea tbat
pious ?-1 kaow it hy saria‘

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