The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-20 00:00:00

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without any regard to the rights of the people.--
(Hear, lwar.)—The whole actuating principle of
that Government, in every part of it, was, that every
thing should be done for the benefit of Austria,
v.ithont any regard to the interests of Italy. Science,
c.,:nmerce, agricelture, languished under the baneful
posture of ands a shortsighted policy. Byrn edeca-
v..Ls impeded, that no, ray of light might be permitted
to break in upon the minds of the people.—(Bear.
Pen.) Was this, then, a principle to be tolerated ?
• Was-Naplil not to be allowed to reform itself ? Was
to alteration to be made, no improvement to be allowed
in.lklaplei, because the dominions of Austria might
by possibility be rendered I. centre in that interest-
ing portion of the earth?—(Hear, bear.)—lt could
net have born forgotten, that on the first of May, 1815,
it proclamation was issued by the present King of the
Two Siciiies„ pronouncing to the two kingdoms that
he would give them " a stable constitution,—that
tbe Prince should be the depository of laws, which
eltonld be dictated by a wise and enekgeticconstitution."
Wi,at efforts were then made to excite the spirit of,
. liberty, that•it might act against the enemy! A si-
wviiir proclatoation was the last act of Murat's rei 411
:proclamation which lie hail mentioned was the
first act of the "leoitimate " King. The whole
malt tben was this, that it was manifest that
:the Sovereigns of Europe had combined on Ow prin.
. eiple that no Risfornt should take place which did not
emanate from the Throne itself—a principle, he main-
tained, which was inconsistent with the interests of
this•conntry. and derogatory from the tr.eneral rights
of nation.. He hoped that his Majesty's 31inktets
would be able to explain on what principle it was that
the revolntion in Spain caused no suspension in the'
relations between this country and Spain, and when
the same ronstitntion which was formed in Spain was
adopted in Naples, it did cause a suspension in the
relations between England and the King of the Two
Si.-ilies. He was unwilling. to trouble their Lordiltips
further. He concurred that at present there were ob-
jections to the conduct or his Majesty's Mitsi.terc upon
this important subject. If they could remove those
objections then all would he well—if they cool.' not
remove them, he at least wouLl feel the satiscartion in
• I.is otrnmind that he had exempted himself from any
participation, by his assent, in those measures which
had been going on. The Noble Lord then concluded
v ith movinr an humble Address to the King, request-
ing that his Majesty would be graciously pleat:ed to
direct copies of all communications which hail passed
• between this country and Foreign Powers connected
with the Revolution at Naples, to 'be laid before the
• Mose.
• The Earl of LIVERPOOL assnred the Noble Earl,
o.at although he should oppose his motion, he rejoiced
at the opportunity which it offered him of explaining
what had been the conduct of his Majesty's llovern-
m-nt more fully than the communication of any official
document could have done. We had acted, and he
maintained we ought still to act, on a principle of
justice and of policy. Ile therefore anticipated that
t::eir Lordships would not support a motion for further
• information, as it would imply that something eke
il.ould he done. The Noble Earl had correctly stated
• What had passed in the first part of the Session. lint

instance, from example, breasts, ranPle
toast lame a more tangible object. • TN 149
had cOmplained, that in disclaiming that p
Goveronsent had giros it m their °pinkie, that. they
disiPproved of the clicamstances undeir, which the
Neapolitan Reiroltdon 1e tisicen Once. it..(LOen
Liverpool) bad seen no reason, front any thing which
had passed since, to depart from that ppinints. What
were the circumstances whiCh called fin: that disap-
probation ? First, that the mode by which it had
been operated was a•mllitary • Mutiny* and secondly.
that the Constitution adopted was that,. of Spain.—
These, however, were not grounds OPcondiact which
called fur the interfirence of foreign powers. IT a
State were managed ever sa absurdly. anti if its (loverti-
ment were altered by wrong instruments, still he ad-
mitted, these were not the business of Foreign Steel!. If
the military mutiny of Naples brought about the adop-
lien of the Spanish Constitution, and in his opinion.
. that was the real state of the case, still he admitted.
;that that was no ground for foreign interference.—
'(llear. hear. bear.)—He also admitted, that in great
national changes, the army must take some share.
'When the question came to issue, the army must take
one side or the other. lint here was a ease in which
the army was the instrument which set on foot the
plan of the National Revolution. This was nat tile
.case of a people demanding a redress of grievantes
sod: as existed in this country in The case of
Naples was one of military mutiny, secretly fomented
by a party. The military mutiny in the 14,4 instanee
brought about the Revolution alone, without an
previons steps having been taken to obtain redress.
Again, he admitted, that this was no round for in-
terference. He only considered the mode in which
the revolution was conducted, as it excited his disap-
probation. Nothing eoui.i, indeed, have been nine,
different from the rase of Naples than the rafts of all
the great changes which had taken place in r.ngland.
Here, at the time of the Great Ch irter, as well as in
16.10 and 1115:1, the graund for redress was first laid
by a declaration of specific grievances, and a call far
► rediers roundel' on ancient rights or manifest abuse.
lint at Naples it was the ease of a people adopting a
foreign Constitution, they nut knowing at the time
what that Constitution was. Ile believed it was a fact,
that at the time the cry was raised fur the Sparish
Constitution, there was not a single ropy of it to be
found in Naples. Ilia all this be allowed was still
tia ground for interference ; it was, 110 wryer,' in his
view, .• _rotund fur marking it with the strongest dis-
approbation. II meant to say, that the facts be bad
enumerated farmed no ground fur our interference.
But there were grin muds upon which fore. a. countries
might thini; themselves justifiable in interfering. Ile,
however, dill not rise up in this House to vindicate the
conduct of the Allies. But there was one feature in
the conduct of the new Uovernment at Naples, towards
the people of Sicily, which he could nut pass over.
Every holly w•ix aware that Sicily uas an inulermlent
kingdom, governed by its uwn laws and usages.
Could any one attempt to say, that because the army
in Naples brought bunt the Revolution, the people of
Sicily were to he excluded froai any voice in the forma-
tion of the Constitution? When the event of the
was made known in Sicily, the strongest feu-
'!• Id .d \inst it. That was

mot arise, for

Er. had accompanied that statement with observations timent was fel.t and expressed agar
. Melt tended to assert that the paper before the House, the consequence? Naples sent a military totce to
sql..ether its contents were right or wronw, had been overawe the general opinion, and to compel the Ski-
, produced with a view to meet the disenssions which Bans to submit. What hap' rued when the military
t::ight arise in Parliament. Now be wished to correct force arrived at Palermo:—When they arrii-e6l there,
Hi. misapprehension into which the Noble laird had they fotrol that the diffiettlties with which they hail to
fu!len. The Cireular of the Allied Powers hail first tontend were ..renter than they had been Intl to suppose
keen known to his Majesty's tiovernment at the etol of anti they entered into a capitulation as reasonable and
December, nut as a paper cotnniunicatell to them, but just in its terms as any that was ever concluded. It
as thr Project ofa paper to be afterwards coition-A..0(41. men:zit:zed the two parts of the dontitsion—it rerog-
was. however, t r onenus to suppose that there oiled the ejlille ion between tln•iii—it acknowledged
• Lai been no intention of answering it. 11 hen the same.Sovereig-it ; hut it left it to Sicily to deter-
it was known to be in preparation, it was mine if she would prefer a distinct Parliament, or an
net ly stated through the proper channels, t hat incorporation with the Parliament of Naples. The
It was a paper which would reqnire an immmetliate an• Neapolitan liovernment, when the treaty went hark,
• serer from his Majesty's tiorerntnent. lie was ready refused to ratify it, and they annulled it, and insisted
--red that answer on an unconditional imbeds:ion from the people of
lot -one word of Sicily. Now, if the people of Naples bad a ri.ght to a
tad nut been re- constitution, had nut
.the • people of Skill an
the whole year. equal right to act fur • titemselies?-:-(lltite;* hear.)
bad heel put —The Noble Earl opposite paierd all this.
~.laration batted Were no complaints allowed to he made tithe acts of
'sequence of the the people. When they had done wrong 141 they
hail disclaimed were to be bell up as faultless. He now Came to the
Lion, and stated point of the Carbonari. 'The Noble Earl had asserted
juvernment had that all great and beneficial Revointionsi• bad been
same time that prepared by secret societies. This was a misfortune,
publication of but it was true. Ile admitted that if the l'arbonari
'e would be int- were a sect entirely composed of Neapolitans the
lore, which had question would be solely confined to their own Oovern-
Irv. It was the went. But were they only Neapolitans, or were they
• held from the even Italians ? No; it was matter of notoriety that
respect to the Bryn- they hail spread intO'Switzerland and parts of I;er-
- in a wor.l, on :natty and with much of the French revolutionary
tiovernntent had principles they entertained theories which werritostile
;r sentiments.— to the established legitimate antient institntions of
finally intended several Contiaeutal States. Ile would give no opinion
:been published that the minion-I of the Carbunari jnstifirul the inter-.
no modifications ference'of Austria. l:'pOu that subject he would
triple which it give no opinion, because be would not prejudge the
the fact, that questian. As to the Interruption of the ronattilllllea.
lopose a prospective lion between Naples and this Utointry; there wait
decide oa -what none. Sir William A'Court was still in Naples, and
;o resolve upon Count Ludo'pli aas here, and a variety of I'
Noble Earl had cations hail taken place between both the countries.
'lance ; but first, It was staled stone time ago, that no new powers were'
lance ; and se- given to our Minister at Naples. The reason for that
irged against it, was in the situation of Naples with respect to Sicily,
Inocent and harm- anti they could nut have given those powers
of this country, without prejudging that (pest' , anti deciding
tis country had against the case of Sicily. Ile bad no difficulty in
but those which saying, that this country bad nut anv part in the:
There was no removal of the King of Naples to LayKarli. With
to principles of respect to the observation of the Noble Lord, on the,
of the treaties circumstance of the King of Naptes being embarked
;core of opinion on board a British ship of war, so far from:that being
anti himself, a proof of this Government having taken inripirt
undoubtedly the proceedings io question, lie should hare
►been
case trhich re• aldiamed if that Monarch had' not been affOrdedi
with another, such insignificant accomumtlation when ha asked fur it.
arse was which The Noble Earl next alluded to 'the peialliel ibich
war on another. the'Nohle Earl (tirey) lied attempted to draw imieiti=l
.awn sertirlty—the the present Revolution ins apieft atid.thelOrniei4rOlt
ander of prinking of the Spanish .nation agaitist JosepVtloistsplitte. • J 1
the only possible coulsinot;he said 'conceive IWO case"::pe* hi
'of °sweetie/4Y ' fettle each other. In the. case of,'Sliaiti, fUeio
growitt Ia d helm witloirititi from theni- by 6( Otti
isrutisling for its, tiritcheronsiCts that ever storied the:par. of itory:
that ground con
')ke Sl{iioish people;*
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• Le. had arcompanied that statement with oleo.
. o Mai tended to assert that the paper before th
• wllether its contents were right or wronw, I
, produced with a view to meet the diacrission
riight arise in Parliament. Now be wished ti
•, i
tto• niisappreliension into which the Noble I.
fallen. The Firrular of the Allied Powers I
1.4 keen known to his Majesty's Government at ti
I December, nut as a paper coinniunicateil to th
as thr Project ofa paper to be afti•i•wardscimuni
it was, however, i r onenus to suppose th.
• Dial been no intention of answering it.
it was known to be in preparation, it
• t tnctly stated through the proper channel
4 It •Yas a paper which would reqnire an imminei
.1 .
i • serer from his Majesty's Government. lle W
II to _admit that its publication bid rendered that
i; .: still more necessary. But there WAS not • one
general doctrine in that paper which bad nut
' 1 . restedle uttered by Government during the wlr
4 I, t It night be recollected that a question had I
to him last Session respecting. the Declaratia
li.,- the Court of Petersburgli, in consequeiii
• "evolution in Spain. In his reply he hail di
. t! e principle contained in that Declaration, at
I • ,
l t i Cie House that the views of this Guymon
teen fully explained to Russia, at the same ti
he hail expressed his opinion that the public
• tie explanations which had taken place wouli
proper. It was no new doctrine, therefore, w
teen uttered in December or January. It
' • Isoguage which had been universally held I
tit::e of the treaty of Paris ; with tespect to tl
lotion in Spain and to that of Naples, in a i
every occasiou where his Majesty's Governr
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• • iota an opportunity of explaining their setitii
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11. believed that it had not been originally
eat the Ci ri.o lar oft heAl lies should have been p
at least without modifications, although no mod
' t mild have reconciled him to the principle 1
continued. Nis belief was founded on the I
t. . • tha.paper in question went to propose apn
A . Leave, and was formed with a view to decide
( )1.,. • frond Uoveroments were in future to resol
• ' •Intoeference with foreign states. The Noble
• . It Attlatted to what he called the Holy Alliance ;
"Allis 'country was no party to that Alliance .;
•coritlly, whatever objection might be urged ai
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1 she object would be found ofa eery innocent al
lesteateree. As to the engagements of this
lie bed nu difficulty in stating that this COll
• .futarigagettiasita with Foreign Powers but tho
v.-twin the possessron of Parliament. Then
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hetioeft, the, Noble Earl opposite anal
6n _that "vowel 'principle, that it and
. sunlit !be' a••strang and'• special case nil
..qoired the iatbrferimee of oie State with
Jrwaiiiffiralh to dlefine what the cause wa
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Ili 4OM e S Vei gilt 'lO -one ebtistry to ttake war on
In-general; It Wight 'be said, its own %rent.
.o.evetaitTirlsials eaeh,State- was ,udder of p
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