The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-01-05 00:00:00

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LONDON, FRIDAY, JANUARY 5, 1821.

" The Canoe fbr which HAMPDEN fell in the Field, and SYDNEY died on the &afold!"

.1 MEETING

have complaints to urge, let them prefer them to the

OW THE CORPORATION AND INUARITANTS OP CAR-
RICKPEROCII AND N eitaisucauooft, 10 ADDRIM
THE RING.

nseli able to redress them. Let them appeal to their
landlorda—no doubt the times are severe. bnt the re-
medy is at home. Landlords must meet the times by
a proper attention to the wants of their tenantry.—
(This sentiment from Mr. Dobbs WAS peculiarly well
received by his audience.

[Front the Irishmen, The. 401
The Belfast papers have thodght proper to publish
an address to the King, purporting to he an address
from the Mayor and Corporation of Carrickfergus,
agreed to on the 234 i instant at a tneeting held in
Carrickfergus for that purpose.
That the address pnblished w.is agreed to by the
Mayor and a few gentlemen, about 23, who retired
from the large assembly among which we sat, we
have no doubt—nor have we any doubt that the ad-
dress published in the Belfast papers is mot the edam"
proposed in the assembly room, before the entire eoe-
poration, by le Mayor, but that this published ad-
dress should oe ?tensed upon the public as the address
of the Mayor and Corporation of Carrickfergus, is a
hoax too great even far this humbugging season, and
it Is now the Is ishma4's duty to expose the hoax, and
lay before the people of the North and South the
proceedings as they realy occurred without addition
or diminution. For the substantial truth of the detail
we now pledge ourselves, being eye and ear witnesses
of all the facts that occurred.

Mr. UOLIIKS.—I am a plain man, Mr. Mayor—but
I always understood his Majesty's Gorertament to be
his Majesty's .Vioutters; and sure I am, if that Ad-
dress goes forward, it will be called an Address to
support the Ministers, win* *ant support, and not to
capon the King, who does not want any support
us. The Mayor has told us, the Ministers were
moth' the contemplation of the drawers of this. Aal.'6
tietto. I hope mot, hot the world will say otherwise,
and who would send forward an Address which went
to support a set of men distinguished by a profligate
waste of the public treasure--an unprincipled con-
tempt for public opinion---a desperate effort to retain
their places at all hazards, however sanguinary.
Will my fellow citizens give their support to such
Ministers ?—(No, no! from all qnarters—we are not
Lisburn men—we are not to be hunstuggetl.) Sup-
pose (said Mr. Holmes), a gentleman, you, for instance,
Mr. Mayor, have a steward, who, having the manage
meat of his master's affairs, becomes extravagant,
wastes and purloins the property under his there--1
in the habits of friendship with the man Ril abused--
I know something of the istewertrs coodurt--would it
be tight for me to more& what I either knew or
heard certainly think not ; and I therefore sub-
mit that those Ministers, who are the faithles stewards
of his Majesty, may not he included in the Address:
•r if included, that we should pray his Majesty to
remove them. lint see further, Mr. May.)r---wliy is
the word Family omitted in the A hires!, though the
Mayor's notice to the Freemen of l'arrickfergns was
to declare our allegiance and attachment to his Ma-
jesty's person, family, and government. Let the sen-
timent of Family he inserted in the Address, in the
must proper and respectful manner—tint, the King
and Queen, and then the rest of the Koval Family.
This would be the course, if the Family he in-
serted in the Address, 2croroling to the motive of Ow
Mayor.
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About twenty minutes after 12 o'clock on Saturday
last, the -Mayor (the Her. Mr. Dobbs) entered the
assembly-room, immediately over the Market-house,
and having taken his seat, he opened the business of
the day by stating, that he had received a requisition
from • members of the Corporation and gentlemen
of the neighbourhood, requesting him to call the pre-
sent meeting,•, fur the purpose of taking into conside-
ration the propriety of preparing and agreeing to an
address to the King. Ile felt it his duty, in obedience
to that requisition, to cr►:tvene the present meeting
Ile trusted that in the discussion nothing would be
said or done to interrupt the harmony of their pro-
ceedings, he was then ready to hear any gentleman
who thought proper to address him.
I;P:ORGE 13ca►.e►i:n, Esq. then rose and said, he
helot in leis band an address to his Majesty, which he
would read for the assemble, and subunit to its adop-
tion. lie observed, that the propriety of euch an ad-
dress at the present mom,•nt, required but few argu-
ments to establish. It skirted the evils every man here
must he ausions to re a., and pledged the hearty
and sincere allegiati-e of this Corporttion, which lie
hoped it would be unanito.ots in recording. Ile
trusted no irrelevant ►natter would be introduced, be-
cause such Hiatt.: would only produce a discussion
that might be calculated to create an annecessary Af-
ference of opinion in that as..euthly. He then beiged
have to read Hit. arbtre••, which having been done, Hr.
Dalwar rose and seconded the motion of Mr. Iturleigh.
A consideralsle interval now tolk place, when Mr.
Hohues, an independent Freeman of Carrickfergus,
rose and addretse.l the Chair nearly in the following
words --

Mr. Sec ut observed, that he ti:d tun believi• thr
word Fainily was in the notice.

The MAYOR answered that it was in the notice,
avid bore testimony to the corre.-tness of Mr. Holmes's
statement.

A Preen's!' then came forward, Mimic name we du nut
recollect, awl said, it was no wonder the present
meeting was convened, and for inch objects—it is
easy San any non, tettb half an eye, to ser who
brought forward this proceeding. Look, 'aid he, to
the right, and then to the left—louk to the goad
things of life which the one side enjoys awl which IS
denied to the other—!ook at the crowd who gurronnol

sue, the struggles they are obliged to make for a daily
sustenance, and to the other, most of them enjoying
'shiers and pension., or ;0011 living., or He; sz in ex-
pectation of better than they nosy enjoy. When you
look at this picture, (said this animated speaker) can
you be surprised at the rurious Address you have
been called upon to sign.—(l,tpull cries of Bravo !
No Address, unless to the *Well fur ever
and the liiag along nith ber )
The Cu tx observed that it world be itupos.i•
isle to introduce the name of her 3lajestv, because, in
his opinion, the Queen was not acsinitted--(Loud hut
sleep groans followed this statement.)
J.tmits• 31`Cst.scars, a Freeman of the Corporation,

There is no mass here, 31 r. Chairman, more ins-
pressed with the propriety of declaring Isis allegiance
to his Majesty than I am. In the sincerity of that
feeling I will yield t:i tso man here, and I believe I
may with as much coulidence say the cause for the en-
tire of my fellow-citizens, whom I am glad to see this
slay in suds numbers arouts.l ssie.—(l.olsd shouts of
hear Ision.)—ltnt, Sir, I be leave to observe, that the
best mo le of manifesting the sincerity of our alle-
giance on the isr..setst occasion is by showing to his
3lajesty and to the pe..ple the sincerity of the opi-
nions we arc delivering, and if ste act honestly, either
by the King or our country, will any 111.19 here put
Isis halld to an address, which charges the Press of
Irefand with being and i aaaaa soral—chat the
said press lea.l rilf."1111; d the public morals, and that
it had actually brought Ireland into a •it.tte s, rebel-
any here have the boldness to sign a paper
which contains saris unfounded assertions, such libels
on the Irish nation? .1s for my part, Mr. 3lavor, I
do not think it becoming of us even tons to speak of
our sister country, groaning as it is under a weight
of distress unparalleled even in England.--(fl e will
sign no such .‘tldress, it would be false, a number of
voices reclaimed.) lint, continued the Speaker, it is
not to this point alone of the Address proposed by
Mr. Iturleigh that I object. There is another, and
a more inipnrtant point, I mean that part whirls speaks
of his Illajesty's tioyersimeut---give use leave to ask
what is meant by the word goerroonatt.' Does not
this mean his 31ajesty's 31inisters; and will soy 1.1-
lose-citizens agree to an address, which contains their,
good opinion of his Majesty's 3lissisters?---(No, no,
no, was the universal cry.)
The CHAIRMAN here rose and observed that he was
always happy to hear the opinions of the Freemen of
Carrickfergus, that to 3lr. holiness opiniva he was
inclined to pay every respect ; but he looped lee could
satisfy Mr. lioluses and the meeting at large, that
the words of the address could hear no such con-
struction as Mr. Holmes put on them. The Chair-
man should be curry, if it were supposed that it was
contemplated by the writers of the address to cis irge
' the Irish Press with the dissemination of immoral
and blasphemous doctrines. No such clsarge can
be frith truth brought the Press of I relassal,
this is a distinction ss hich entirely belongs to the
Press of England, it is .with great satisfaction I say,
(said 31 r. Dobbs) that, however ,sve may slitter in
political opinions, wy cannot impute to the Press of
Ireland any disposition Cu Loosen those sulensts olsli-
Igations which we all owe to the sacred doctrines of
' religion; and as to that other objection id Mr.
IHolmes, (said 3lr. Dobbs) ;tamely, that Isis 31ajesty's
Dover:intent ille:411A Isis Majesty's 311,11,0r5,, be ~„„1,1
assure the meeting the conduct and character of 31i-
nisters %ere at (Tr iNtradid to i.e introduced into the
address- The word gorcrotarist can only mean the
poster wielded it? Isis Majesty. As to the distress of
the poor to wide!, Mr. Hoboes alludes, ruin Ministers
•caunot remove this. If the freesia:ls of Car ieliferWts

ins:Justly rose and observed, that as far as he under-
stood the Constitution, we were all innocent until
proved to he guilty ; lint here's the o.lt..cit itioncent,
after pasing a liery orleal—after being sworn azainst
by the ;reatest villains its Italy.—(llear, hear
Why introduce the word Family, if pot do not men-
tion the Queen Suppose, \lr. 3layor, a iteiidilionr
asks me—how is your family, Toni ?—1 will thank
him, no doubt; but yon know, \1 r. the mis
tress is always asked for first, and tirtt the question is
—l'ons, how is yoer wife and family?—(This house
and familiar illustration cawed loud and continite.l
laughter.)
Mr. Vt M. Bra fetr.it male au animate,l appeal to
the loyal feelings of the assetiali!e. Ile iihs,•rced that
it was his groat boast to be a memlier loyal
though intlerntlent corporation. lie shiuttl.l
to see the day when he would witness a resi•tauce to
an .lelarrss profeloing the most sincere am! anNioos
I/gismo to his Majesty anti his thivertime.W. lie %wild

rMM
Illtproge that sucls a body of mon as he tle-tt ad.
dressed, would salter themselves to he carried 3T;IV 11r
the disloyal principles of any illa•-•• or per% ni—that
here, at least, in Carricklergii., •leowerati•• doctrines
had nut yet dept, anti that the For:oirttion of Car-
rickfergus would always Le prow!lv forwil rig in the sup-
port of the Constitution and laxs of the latol. The
Corporation was a worthy scion of that
and when its parent wa3 tut more, n • dirtlit Cie. branch
11..1;114 wither an•l be forg.ottets. Ue azreed to the A.l-
&CIS in ir:ery word, bet:mese he s:lw its Here's' v wool
its justice —(Consitlerable &Arhus,. thi,
speech.)
G. !t.rinit obst•rvetl, that •inre the opposi•
tint' to the address, as real', an .I mot .•d, aas so gre.it,
let those who like sign, awl those who do not like
it retitle. 'Cu this it was instan•lv that if such
was the determination it was misekery to einisillt their
opinions—a private sour Star e.4Ym4er slobuld have
!wen the plan.

11r. it...:er.attm then propoce.l, that all floo‘p %vim
approved the .111ilress might si2Ai it, awl Ours.• wit..
disapproved might have another.— ro which it was
soon replied, that as the 'meeting was called, the
rlurr-
tiutt uf .iddrrax .Ithlrom froar thr l'urporation of
Carrickfergus should Om he decided-osta it wai an
idle thing to convene a meeting if the minority were
„„! bound by the art of the inajorit%.
The 31svo then ask -1, ;las the .til,tre•s, as read