The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-12-25 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

--the irst.'breeglit formed by the iiineurable Warm arils et mite, namely -.Neer and wail bet eh wee a,'
for Shrewsbury. In consequent ef the mixture of some project. In his ermine peculiarly 44mMinambie, berme,
polities! matter with his motion! tee other submitesel at ,if there wen two stawieedes time wlOOl4l be %mese
the instance of a most bonniest iadivional (Mr. Owes. chasm of nebulae. mad taus establishaust of the West
we understood), is coseequesice, as it was said, of sans variable standard 4f value was the object to be Medved. I
improper observation formerly made by that philant 4111 i a view to mainsis the ebonite+ of tor carryon.
throw Centimes,. Plow, as to what hisHoo. Friend Hos. Member leibel with erwaisiag his later
(the Member for Marlow) bad said respeetiag his Hon. lion to vete for the nlltt tof aCOOleiltr. ups. di*
Friesd who had presented this petition, he and beer 1 subject alheled to In the Petition. kepis, that such a
. restlessly to the aecurne of the statement of the latter. I Committee would terve to do good, and believiag that it
For be was able to say, that his Hon. Friesd ('he Mem- could sot possibly lead to any harm.
be/ tat Bfaibbef) hod sot heard of this petition lentil mr, piemay expressed id, gratitude to Ministers
yesterday. Ujnsu a consultation between the author of for the measures which they had brought before Par.;
the petitnin. himself. and others. who were kindly to ~ ... .. •
its object, it was lint pessposed, from a canelderatios of unseat, and disposition to supportstill more vigor
his great ability sod maturel influent, with the Hos ens measures, If thought necessary. For the objects
Member fur TIMMOINS. "to present it. But it was Boma which it was the duty of the Pediment and the tiners-
that kis Hon. Prieed leas not is tome and en sPPlIca" meet to attend to, were, first, the restored*s and the
- eon was then made o his Hon. Pelmet beside him (Mr.
Elite), who, however, declind to comply with the re- consolidation of the tranquillity of the country sod
quest. It was thee e,,,,,,,i5ed to apply to the Hoe. I seat, the consideration of the state of its nmonfacteres
Member on the ether side. as on of the ram moinesit, and commerce.—He was, therefore. an advocate for Are '
if not really the most twines usemheat is the city of I object which the Petition had in view, although he could
London, who was se pod as to suilertake the prewar not help thinking the t* proposed fur isqniry ex-
tints of this petition, But he brewed to "...oar. that
whatever might he the „twee se ,e, lee;liteestilsaa tremely difficult and complicated. It would, perhaps,
who had pronoun the retitle" or whatever mien be be better to take one branch of this great question at a
eke cooreption of the Hon. Member for Marlow, that pm time. than to enter iota the whole of it at once. The
edge originated with no view whatever with respect to (modem of trade was, no doubt, a sound principle in
tle,t.trgebuoilitiohne irlitlividiull'ual "to w‘lemorsalitilledaveralrl=dh.timilkaewwlW sthe._,eory.,..but Oretlesiem were. sot generally .wars of the
unsursolfs which presented themselves when an attempt
Is" in fact, as respectable, as able, and as earliest a
w
In in as any in the city of London. but her could alsoas made to carry that principle into practice. Ile had
Bead this difficulty—he found when some years age he
Le..r equal testimony to the views of several of the Oen- ,
tenon ne whose same, were appended to the petitions and i
e hose characters were quite as respeetable as had been t' I that facilities should be afforded for thsexporta•
teen of f"rklign liners, he made the proposition upon this
Ii he referred writes could
described by the Hos. M-is her forPramber. The only Cound.tthr article
ebiha7l3 ' pat home. This was a
object. iodised, of the petirioarrs was, that Parliament purchasedsoled cheaper •ro than .
sond principle, but when attempted to apply he was mist-
should take the matters to which they referred Imo its
ed ea the ground of the preference due to the does readout
seriJus consideration, aid that mime 'hope should thus
le held oat to those who were now so merely aoseeiet. irelaud. Ili at the same. time. e.iough.t!heoppoesitio. meta
his motion
.trrtionat, but lie_ now
.ten that swami rs
that the utmost attendee would beven to their ease, 'acted riches. in preferring the sarisfaction and tran-
a-ot that every relief should be afforded that could pos-
e:lily be devised. quillaty of !reload to any commercial considerations.—
The distress of the cougars., at present, he attributed to
Mr. RICARDO declared t 1 at he heard with great over-speculation, over importation, and over-mansfac-
satisfaction from all sides of the House, that there was ; tore. The people engaged in manufactures were no
1..) intention to alter the law with respect to bullion pay- I doubt suffering hardships, which every good man must
teems by the Bank. He differed materially from his de:Pirrone rant. while they
wsuatrietroljnemeeollutectrttirlgel;:oienatil.
Honourable Friend the Member for Bramber, according
thoPeutgli their wages were low, and their privations coo-
to whose opinion, the mesteres taken for removing the sequently heart breaking, their wages were still better
restriction of cash payments by the Bank, were the great , than the same class of manufacturers received in Ger-
a .use of the present distress of the country. The market I msam,miLittlutigeraferia America, for the distress of'
n otrfadoeurwiiiiisstunisrer-
pricr of gold. indeed, skewed the effect of these measures. I I
I Here the Honourable Meanfirierra"miTerted to the proposi-
.—
Gut it was. in his mind, matter of astonishment, that ' does matte by Lord Liverpool to the Duke of Hamilton
any man could ascribe the distress of the country to any I for the relief of the distressed manufacturers of Srot-
eiessareg takea hy the Bank for the resumption of cash pay- land, and expressed his persuasion that Ministers were ,
meats, or that a ranee so totally inadequate. could hare dispose! tad°
lona productive of so great as dint. He differed also viation of the public
Mr. fiRENFELL disclaimed any intention of casting
from his lion. Friend, as to the corral as well I a reflection upon the Gentlemen from whom the petition
as the effects of the measures taken towards promoting , before the Hone proceeded, whose names indeed be did
the eserution of the law for payments in bullion. His ; not know until within a few minutes. 1
Hon. Friend had thought proper to observe, that the . Mr. 1/01!1ILAS thought inquiry most imperiously
plan which he mentioned on a former evening, for called for upon the subject referred to by this petition :
the payment of the public debt, had not the merit for unless the grievances of the people were considered, ;
of originality. Ile was sot aware that when be men- I and their distress relieved, no hope rook!, in his opinion,
tioned that project, he laid any claim to originality.— ; he entertained of solid permanent tranquillity. It would
W:oat be stated upon the subject was much misunder- he recollected, that when the people were in distress and
stood. He remembered that lie ascribed all the dis- ! discontented in 1813, coercive measures were adopted,
tress of the enemy to the inadequacy of our capital ; but no steps whatever were taken to relieve distress lir
to supply the mesas of employing our population. This l remove the canoe of discontent. l'pon the recurrence of
inadequacy was the natural result of cin-amstancrs. For distress and disaffection in 1%1447, coercive measures
shine were again resorted to, :oml now in 1%19 the sun.,
when profits upon capital were low here, while they
coarse was to be followed. Ent after such recent and
were high in other countries, capital would naturally go impressive experience, he would ask any considerate
out of this country. This effect was indeed as clearly de- was whether it was wise to persevere in such a *rim,
monstrable as any proposition iu Euclid. Was it not ;or whether nothing should he done to remove the cause
1 aofd!putbeltlemtieirscerttrosphowt
down
nsnictsh
erixgo,rer‘oznnau asures here
then the duty of the Legislature not to aggravate any
es il of this nature?—and yet such aggravation had I
Mr. lIROI4IHAM regretted the harsh expressions
taken place through bad legislation. This bad legisla-
towards the Petitioners which bail fallen from Iris Ho.
tion was, in his opinion, most remarkably exemplified
sourable Friend the 3lember for Marlow (Mr. Oreofell )
in the ease of the Corn Laws. Foribe result of those
. Was it no disrespect to eighty of the most considerable
ions, by enhancing the necessaries of life,
was to raise I Merchants of London to say that they belonged to
the price of labour, which consequently reduced the pro-
,the Anti-Bullion Party, and were inEuenced by such
fits upon capital. and tended to send that capital out of
I hisfeeder,' alone in their application to that ilone? Hari
the country. Bat of all this evil, the National Debt, ..
'h ionourable Friend, before lie gave vent to such
and the consequent amount of taxation, was the great i
obsertations,
allowed himself
to have
peruse!the
can... Hence the main object of the Legislature should
nausea
appended to
:hat Petition, lie
would hate
checked
be to provide fur the payment of that debt, and that
himself, and not charged sonic of the greatest capital-
provision should commence its operation as soon as
arts in the metropolis with being of a descriptio u of
capital of the country, it was obvious that any capital
possible. Poe as this debt was chargeable upon all the
persons who had overtraded without the possession of
any capital—Omar, bear.)—lt was plain, indeed, that
which went out of the country was exonerated from that his Honourable Friend'sextraordinary
zeal
on finiron
charge, while the capital which remained was of coarse
and Bank questions had, on the present, as on other
compelled to pay a greater proportion of debt and taxes.
occasions, led him too far. Had he, without even
Ile would not, however, dwell further upon this chime -
readier the Petition, looked only to the signature.,
rural project, as he nnelersiool it was coosidered by
he would bare found in them wsufficient gorantre of
every one except himself, bat proceed to the considera-
their respectability—he would have found amongst
Gan of the petition, and what had been said by the lion.
them also sew of the nine respectable supporters of
Mover. His lion. Friend proposed, as particularly woe-
the hellion principle as any Member in that lionse.
thy of attention, that a Committee of that House should
He could meeting the name of one, Mr. 31'Caelay.
inquire into certain reztrictions upon commerce, wills •
who, though not in general disposed to the views 0
view to their removal. But his lion. Friend should re-
Opposition, hail, from the commencement, entertained
fleet, that no immediate egket could be reasonably ex-
the soundest views on that question. There were others
peered from the labour of such a Committee for such a
, of the Petitioners who were formerly Members of that
purpose, as the restriction alluded to, however bartnew
aHnooub
object
atndof tsl:neerat ekeswet,re
weohot sohasobeweawamsembenwith hima
some, could out be suddenly removed. This removal
must, leder'', tshe Piece by slow degrees, entwined as the very Bullies Committee. It would appear also,
they wet* with the general system of the trade of the
that the House of Commons was not the only house in
country. But still groat good might be expected from which divisions existed. for he believed the Honour-
the investigations of each a Committee, who would, be able member for masiosr, if he had
read
the
hoped, new partirolarie ion the consideration of the
Corm Lows. His Hon. friend had suggested that a cer- per' would have hewd that of his own brother
Min miedilleation should take pine iii the arrangements mailed to it—Oilers aid no lit if not his own bre-
wed* towards the removal of the restrictions upon the ther, at least a very near connexion. Bat it was said,
liaak, namely, that the Bask hewld not be railed why delay the presentation of the petition to this day,
upsn to pry in Million until the period arrived for
when the lions. was near to the adjournment? There
each parent at the lowest rate. Now be, on the
of the delay
solution
th• e lernotsge of the Bank itself, to male the pay. —that the Petitiners waited seder the hope that Per-
meate In the order 'Tread's settled, because "eh= !lenient would have dose something to swot existing
meats being made gradually would eery@ to difficalties, without their intervention. It required the
the fail. Sad prepare the Bank for the complete
"moos of multi, perms,. The only woe. Oovernmest to bead its whole attention to the saltiest.
Gratin. indeed, which be deemed desirable on this They bad better MISS than any lisdieldnel Member
embloct was, that the Bank should be called upon perms- could have of acquiring the fullest inhirosatin en the
lsaa9/ le pay its "in Ill„_bellle,11, instead ef,.eells 1 fur be, subject. They ought to undertake it on their cometite-
s..mholseffs.S.,,Tresie,:eltyhei,„Pizl.liis,pwilesmel tile° sseePe.swereee; donal resposibility. To carry to its accomplishineut such
wbieh could be **severed as will. If set more convenient- an ineestigelion—ie decide amidst the eoldlletilig inter
ly. by paper. The oily ols)ect to be provided Br in thislets which beset it is every stales( its peeress. demessel•
ease wee, that the nal vain of Ow part should be repel ed • stroog and eldest Onervintent. Whether de:=
to its dentemintiee vane, Ma settled amd.rol-• mat fiernmenat posseead that A kar? and rigger
accordibir
venal standard of velars Of SO its nodal weald he anessery ogle perk eireenestaners teeny
amend is oda. Care being es make this pea. their owe smeary, into Wrest, it wort Ow him, at that
Adele be nahl see no resin witty thog Iniadersiest as it to say. Ha agreed with his We. Fried. the
M manta Im begs% which was new Ow only her for Peetarliaros (Me. RicardoNothal Paibleig
throe raw, should an be rendered net. His Mow Imould be more fatsl than ear imerfetwon Wafers eye-
?timid bad teneemeadeil the pt of two Ps adefea kit *Wee relative to Cash Payments. Amy

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titles calculated to favour any cry ageism thaSsevaag.
meat, would inevitably locrose Weald mad to•Nsilem.,
There was, however, Doe past ea whie.h ha .4112
so groat an oracle, as he mast ever ensider
subjects, had not prosousted the decided spialissi;
He alluded to the possibility. se, if poosibir, the Ohio.
Mammas of paying off the Nodose' Debt, The propos&
dam was set a aew suri—it had bees years ago as
ed by Mr. Hutchinson ; indeed, he believed, every
roller of the Exchequer had a similar proposition ads
to him every roar. It had, in more recent times. itese
brought baiire the public by Dr. Watson, Bishop of
Lall, sad, with the highest respect for the taints of
that meritorious intlividso, he could not consider that
production as their most favourable "Maims. The ef-
fect of such a measure would be to place the property fee
Ave years at the mercy of all the solicitors, cooveyaacers,
and money-hunters, in the country.
Lord C,

_ a.ett.BAGH bad no wish to prolong the
debate, embracing, as it did, a very wide field, on which
it was impossible to enter, then, with the prospect of any
practicable advantage, and the discussion of which, is
a partial view, would kad to great practical income!
nience. To take that partial consideration of the law
don, world tend to unsettle the public confidence emi
aggravate the natural eras of existing cirodustasess.
He agreed in every thing that lead been said relative to
the respectability of the petitioners, but he could not
allow that House to separate nnder an impression, which
would get abroad, that the commercial interests of the
country were overlooked or forgotten by the Mini-
sters of the Frown. With deem it was an object of
great solicitude—anti he had to assure the liaise, that
aur communication from the petitioners, or from any
caber quarter, would meet with every due consideration
ea their part. He begged to be understood, however, as
sot pledging himself to any indefinite and unlimited in-
quirv. If any practical view opened on the minds, either
of the petitioners or of the lion. dentlessian aho pre-
sented it, his Right Hon. Friend at the head of the
Board of Trade would, he bad no &weld, be most swa-
mis to receive the communication. With respect to the

reference made to the real iteration which- employed
the attention of Parliament last Session, he, who bad
(Inring that discussion been fully sensible to the_prasere
of the remedy, most folly agreed with the Hon. and
Learned Iletniser (Mr. Brougham), that every principle
of practical wisdom and state policy required that not a
doubt sbonld he suffered to extst as to the arrangement
being carried into effect.

Mr. ELLICE stated. that an application had been
made to him to present the petition, bat be recommended
the propriety of confiding it to some Member in the con-
Ciente of the Atlntinist- lon. Ile learned with regret
from the Noble Lord - that in of the

opposite, .. place the
vernment of the country, on its own responsibility, as
was so judiciously observed by his lion. Frieneellr.
Brougham), taking up the inquiry into the public die-
tress, for the •iurpuse of providing that relief, whirls
must be applied, and (wieldy, the Noble Lord has left it
to the proposition of indiriduals,Members of that Mouse.
Were it the proper occasion, he would have felt some
desire to advert to what had been stated by the
Member for Malniesbury, who denied the effect of tax-
ation on the manufacturing distresses. Ile never heard
a statement so open to the most satisfactory answer. At
that moment, when discussion n-as so unseamanable, all
be should say was, that he differed from him most de-
eiidedly. If *mine arrangement was not effected before
the period fur the Imilion payments attired, tinder suds
• sys:ein of taxation he feared an alarming crisis was
near.
Mr. PiNt.sv explained.

kir. Alderman WOOD bore his testimony to the re•
4peetahility o; the Pgtitioners. Ile knew that twch•e of
those who signed, were persons as (avowable to the live
arrangements with respect to the Currency as am• men
in the kingilotn.

Mr. Alderman 11F.TGATE tils), he understood the
reti•ioners w •re men of high honour and :Irmo priyerty.
He imputed the distresses to the great diminution of the
rnrreney, whirl, had been for a long time grailnally go-
ing on. When nine millions (including the reentry
I currency) had been withdrawn from the circulation,
great mischief and distress mast have been the result.
/le believed much of the confusion bad already taken
plan., and from what he beard from various parts, eon-
lidenee was reviving. Let his Majesty's Government
hot state the extent to which the ditninntion or the cit.-
cul ition ghouls, [n—and the distress, the effect of uncer-
tainty and want of confute:toe, would quickly disappear.
The petition was then brought up, and ordered to be
printed.

Mr. Sc.tat.arr brought in a Bill to renseilr certain
inconveniences in local and esrlosirc juris.lictions.—lt
was read a first, order •d to hi* printed, and to be read a
wend time the 15th of February nett.
Adjourned to Thursday.

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LONDON:
SATURDAY, DECIIRSILI 93, 1819.
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Paris Papers of Monday and Tuesday have ar-
rived.

The contention and disturbances with wbicb the
Chamber of Deputies commenced their Sittings seem
now to hare subsided, and the necessary bunions is
proceeded in with remarkable tranquillity.
Os Monday the Members assembled, and after seve-
ral Petitions of a private natore were disposed of, the Mi-
nister of Filmic, proposed some Projects of Law, Tele-
dye to the Tame for ls2o. They were ordered to be
printed. and the Chamber adjourned. The. Deputies
were to meet is secret Committee on the following day. ,
Prises Schwartsesherg, it is said, is nearly recovered
from Isis indisposition.

hansasa, Dec. 17.—Another arrest has take. place
at Ausslerians t the penos is a foreigner.
All esonenniaalloa is Interdicted with the author of
the work, entitled MOs the actual State of the Kin-
d.. of the low Countries, sad of the mesas of mono-
talks it."

litasts gr. Dee. le.—The troceedinp against Jahn
an sap Deathward. He bag bees confronted with M.
Jaradke, Catalano, of the Regan, upon the sabjagt of
the egaret easosistioa beaded by Irtio in 11112, against
Merlon. IL Oman was agreetail at hope, N.

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