The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-03-20 00:00:00

dm Petition would not have come witiv better
grace-'from Alderman Smith intli*dually.
trusted that Mr. Cumberland was not an adyotate
for this substitute for churches and chapels; that
gentleman's talents would at all times merit the at.
tentiun of the coutributors to the amusements of
the, putijic ; apd ke could . certainly not feel
any want of prompi attention to his productions,
which acre all times calculated to elicit admira-
tion.
Sir JAMES SHAW begged to exculpate him.
self from any of those imputations which had fal.
len from the Hrii,4entletnan. lie had no inte.
rest in the subject, and was merely applied to by
the Subscribers in his capacity of a AlerAber of
that Ilon4. •••

SHERIDAN did not Mean most distantly
to make any personal allusions to the Hono [tragic
Baronet.
Mr. BROWNt obServed, that whatever opi.
Mott the. Hontittrable Gentleman (Mr. Sheridan)
had of the subject in qeestion, he thought this was
not the period for stating it. Bo his sentiments
what they might, he (Mr. Brnwni) 'would Beier
sliiitik'frout the discussion.. He did tutt expect.
hOssievtle, from that honourable Gentleman's
manly mind, tti heat the measure to which he had
adverted vhltratterized as an act of injustice and
oppression. The Gentlemen who were the pro-
moters of the plan, would be as far as any men in
the country from conduct uhich could deservesuch
an attack.

Mr. SHERIDAN aid his observations merely
went to condemn the twain of candour that hail
been evinced by the Gentlemen alluded to, in not
giving a due notice of their real. ntentions.
The question was then pet, and the prayer of
the Petition agreed to, namely, that the Bill; if
prepared, is to be received this day three weeks.
The House resolved lobo the Committea to con-
sider on the policy and conducptyho.Expetlition
to the•Seheldt, pro forma; in annsAirtee with thel
Motion of Sirjohn Anstrather, Who wished to
-present two letters whicieho bed•recrived after the
Committee had finished ‘hair.alsareinatlifill which •
soot to explain certain parts' of,•the evidence of '
Sir Home Popham. ,
LOCAL PIILITIA.
Mr. Secretary RYDER ruse in pursuance of
his notice relative to some amendments he intendeill
to proposein *lie laws respecting the Local Miii. •
tia, in doing lie should eudeavour to re-
medy those inconveniences which had hithertO been
experienced, bat which it was imposSible to guard
against at the first formation of the Arts. 'file
first point he had to ativeit to was the: diminution
of expenees•u hid' had been accompiislied, by re-
ducing the number of non-commissioned Officers
to one fouttlt the original regulation, and by
.changing the number of days of exercise its the
year, front 28
.to 22. By these re nations tire
total ditniuntion of expences was 348,0001. patristic
num; without the least inconvenience or detriment
to these rice. Another regnlation he had to pro-
pose, Was, for the purpose of enabling the Ccie'rts.
Martial to sit after the days of training had ex--
pited, for.olfences committed during the period of I
exercise. This was a meaSnrir oto reesonabli4 that
he apprehended there would be no objectiowaw it.
lie should likewise propose 'to dlininish the num-
bet Of thyt necessary fur the-Vuluitteers to vier-.
fist., in order to, exempt •tham from the Militia
Acts, and to reduce them to the same faith*
Liabil Militia.. There were several Other amend.
meats he should propose w hen he brought
the Bill, wbich he should now beg leave to move
for. • The -Right Honourable Gentleman then
mewed for leave to bring lit a Bill to amend the
Local Militia 1.. ts.
'Mr. expressed his regret that the Right
Hon.-Gentletnau had conflued himself within so
small a limit io his proposed amendments, and
was particularly sorry be bad nut proposed to con.
sQlitlate the whole of the Acts on this subject, in.
one, ae, by having occasion to refer to so many
Acts, the
_greatest inconvenience was felt by the"
Lieutenants of Counties. The Hon. Gentleman
then suggested two other alterati:nts. 'rite
_first,
with respect .to exemptions. Taw wereo great
s number. of persons, he said, exempt front the
Local Militia, who, -he thought, were nut en-
titled. If a Nair man refused to serve, he was
bible to pay a' fine; he did net see any reason why
a medical man should not be considered is well
able to pay a fine as a carpenter. The next he
proposed to the consideration of his Right Hon.
Friend, was with *limn to the 42d clause, which
stipulated That the Local Milita should be subject
• to.the Mutiny Act in time of war.. Ile thiteght,
as this force was to be assembled in lime of
peace, it would be proper that they should be
equally.. 511hject to the Mutiny Act at one time
us well as another. Thu Hun. Gentleman con-
cluded by repeating his observations on the neces-
sity of a consolidation of the Acts, which were
at present so complex, as to create incalculable
ditficolties.
Mr.. A DDIN.QTON supported the Met: ati of
Mr. 'Giles, as did Mr. Whitbread ; and
Mr. Secretary RYDER. expressed his intention
to comply with all the •propositions, except that
relating to the consolidation of the Arts, w
he could not promise to accomplish before next
Sessions.
Leave was theta given to brim in the
• . SPAIN.
Mr. WIIITBREA U expressed a hope, that his
Honourable Friend (Mr. Sheridan) would beam
no objection to •postpone his -Motion relative to
tae Spanish Question, whiolt stood .for Friday
next, till after the discussion on the Schelilt Ex-
pedition.
Mr. SHERIDAN, after 'a few . observations,
agreed to the proposition, and at the 'same time
deferred his Motion, which stood for that evening,
relative to the Benehers of Lincoln's Inn, until
Frith)/ next.
The Committee of the Embezzlement Bill was
postponed to Thursday next.
Mr. 11. THORNTON,- after a few prefatory
obsesomioes, moved fur an account of .all•ltelt-
saints on time Civil List in Scotland for the 'three
years, 1808, 9, and 10, together with a socei-
lie:llion of those granted since Jane 1808, with
their dates and amounts.
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The Petition rest eating Ardglas Harbour, af.
ter a few• words from Sir John Newport and
Mr. W. Pule, was referred lb the Commiitee of
Supply. . .
The Royal Marine Muliny and the Salt Duty'-.
Pills wise read trthirel time and passed. ""it
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FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS. t
The House resolved itself into a CummittellP
the whole *Reuse, on certain Financial Rego 7
(ions. ' • ' .
Mr. 11. MARTIN said, he rose in consequence
of the notice -he had given, to bring forward his
motkou, by which he should submit to the consi-•
deratioit of the Douse, the necessity there was
that the [louse Should pay attentiou to the Third
Report of the Committee of Public Expenditure.
lie was sure; after the pledges the House loot
given, that 'they would not fail to attend to-the
very iatportant point of economy in the expentli-
tureof the public money ; and that it was highly
neeesshry to do so as soon as possible, he thought
no one would doubt 'or deny ; fur when they
looked at the enormous- expenditure of the re-
venue, it was their duty to attend particularly to
the sabject; even thong!' no Doti& hal been taken,
or mention wade of it in the speeches from tit:
Throne. In 'the tirade of pensions only, the
whole anoteut was stated at 1,300,0001; 'and
fluting!' he was willing to concede that matey of the
items *ere in sonw 'measure necessary, such as
piutsious to those who really deserved them, to
the younger branches of 1110 ittoral'Familyt &c.
yet even (hose stuns, when attentively consider-
ed, would furnish argtinorts for the necessity of
curtailing the public expellees. Though he be.
lieved there wouhl be no opposition to the prituci.
ple of the Resolutions, yet the Right Iloonueable
the Chancellor of the Eachequer had deemed it
necessary to bring forward *dither set of Resolu-
tions, some of which fie eduressed he preferred to
his own, particularly the two first,- which he
would certainly agree to adopt instead of his
own ;•litit on the Whetu he did not think they
went so far as his did. nother Hen. Gentle-
in in oo the fluor below him (Mr. Moica) lour;
I also, as he undorsteml, .prepared a third set of
Roioltilions. That Hon. Gentleman had cer-.
(ably paid great attention to..the state of the
finances, and his opinion could not but have great'
weight with the House and
.with the country. For
his (Mr. Martin's) pint, he w 4.4 not wedded to
his own plat), but Mould be 'ready to adopt any
that should appear to be pireferahle. The Com..
Ithittee of-Public Expendintre bad, in 1790, sug-
I gested the propriety of abolishing certain Law
Offices ; but since that Wee, no notice had been
taken of the recommendation. Ott the contrary,
eatery office, and even Reversion, had been filled
I up ; Reversions and Peasione given to Musters in
Chancery and others, which practices called loudly
on the House to pay attention to the recommen-
dation of the Committee. The Judges' salaries
1 had since that time been increased, and pensioui
granted on their retirement, all which might be
very proper ; but lie thought the. Honig of Cum-
' tosisshould have attended to the mode. of doing it
, •,, ittit,iti! winking' it a burden oli the people: Ho
Alto Abided to a pamphlet latecrpuhlished by a
-Right lion. Oentleenan opposite-(Mr. Rote), and
...skit ithetatidiug the run lid aesertions contained in it,
he ( NI r.Martiet)lwas certaimthet the influenceof the
Crown had atnermously increased sipce the time of
efilr.Dunning's Resole. tions'on that subject,in 1780.
:Whether he looked-to the increase of `the army,
(he navy, • the drtloance,. or the• pensions granted
Jut defiance of Mr. , Burke's Bill, the increase of
the influence of the Crown' was immense ; beil it
oat infinitely more si., in Conicquence of the etior.,
mons increase of taxes, stein ;the' modes of Cot-.
letting them. In the year 1780, 'when Mi.
Dunning moved his retiolutieds, 'the National
Debt war something More teen 184,000,0001. On
• the sth of January this year, it amounted to
781,000,0001.- and the iuterest to 29472,0001.
which was an increase of from live to six times
' the amount. At that dine the Army Establish.
inent was 837 general 6e14 officers, now they were
2080, all deriving their commissions . from the
Crown. The expenditUre Of the army was then
6,000,0001. it is now 19,43210001. The ordnance
expeuditure was Alen 1,500,13001 it is ne,w
3,813,0001. The commissioned: o facers were at
t that time 1,814, they were !row 4,60(1, , The et-
pence of the navy was then 0,000,0001. last year
lit wits 19078,0001. Ail this be should think
,I, sufficient to sheer that the ineuence of the Crown
I had not been diminished. But added to these, the
Right Huneurable Author of this pamphlet had
totally forgotten the fertile fields Of the Barrack
Establishment, the Transport Board, and the
Board of Contrnul. From all these.statemeelfs,•
he thought the House would hardly beliete that
the influence of the Crown was on the wade. Mr.
Berke's Bill stated, that MI the Pensious from the
Crown should be confined to 00,0001. a tear,' it
was afterwards extended to 90;0001, anti if it had
been 611110 n9Cessasylia gokittether,- ft'shdtild hare
I !Will done openly, find natty subterfuge, such as
grate ting Pensions tiedPubliOffices,&e.as had since.
been done. ' TheSe'meins, to which he had afield-
eel, enabled the Crown 'to grant larger Pensions
than was the intention of Phrlitnieett : they *ere
limieed in their extent by Mr. llorke's bill to
liool. a year, but they have-since been iucreased
to upwards of 50001. and it was with a view to
bring those pensions under 'thee cottelderation and
,increciise of .Parliament, that he now brought
Forretartk+4.ool4Maltams.. : tie Mewed the country
at tun had a rigiki.is‘magest from the House that.
Something should be dune, in consequence of thp
'Third 'Report, to which. he had :lauded; two
yews had, however; miw—claptied, and in) notice'
whatever had been lakew at it. If* alluded to the
office of Register of the Melt Court of Admi.
ratty, in ,which theltight Hon. the Chancellor of
the Exchequer 'had a revel-On:easy interest ; the
emoluments of that office amounted to 13,0001. a.
year ; 80001. aayear elf which arose froin• the tno.
trey of the suitors in that. Court. ' lie onlefoilf
thercfore, wish to bring in I Bill to abolish that
part immediately. The offices of the Tellers mid '
Auditor of the Exchequer bad been altotislied by
a;majt,rity of fire only. .itti: was extreme!! desi.l
Imes the House should preiceed, aunt come to a de.
I.tyrusittatiola ems itlie eeltject _Otis vety.l*.tdift, sued he-