The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-02-16 00:00:00

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Mr. WELLESLEY POLE. begged• to state,
that whoa be was Secteiary to the Admiralty, it
was the antloue wish of Lord Wily:ye, that the
same regulations, which prevailed .in the Navy
' Pay-Office and the Admiralty, might also be:
adopted in the Navy Office. Bat from the con-
stitution of the establishment of the clerks, it
was found, after an attentive investigation of the
case, that these regulations could not be introdu.
ced into the Pay Office, without a considetable sa-
crifice of expense. In this opinion too the Com-
missioners of
_Naval Revision concurred. This
statement he kit it his duty to make, and he hoped
it would be satisfactory to the Hon.Gentkinati.
Mr. WA R E explained.
Mr. IVIIITBREAD did•not think the expla.
nation of the Hon. Gentleman satisfactory. Ile
should therefore vote for the Papers, on the ground
of what bad been stated by his Hon. Friend, and
the two Friends of the Noble Lord (Mr. Wilber-
force and Mr. Noel).
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
did not think the House ought to feel in the same
manner liS the Friends of the Noble Lord, nor
agree to the motion', unless a sufficient ground were
laid fur it. The Report of the Committee of
1788 teeth:naided the abolition of fees, and an in-
crease of salary in lieu of them. The Order in Coun-
cil fat the abolition of the fees did not issue till
1796, so that the old practice continued till that
period. As the fact,' to which the &per moved
for applied,• had liken pica before that period,
he trusted the House would not think any inquiry
into a practice, not then prohibited, necessary.
As to Whit had been said relative to a transaction
in the Barrack Department, it would have been
desirable that the Honourable Gentleman had
been more explicit. If the transaction had taken
place at the time stated-by the Honourable Gen-
tleman, October last, and had come to his
knowledge, he was sure he must have made
inquiry respecting it. He begged the Honourable
Gentleman to be more particular on that bead,
in order to enable Gentlemen to apply their minds
to the particular case. • • -
Mr. WARDLE, in reply, informed the Right
Ihineurable Gentleman, that a stritten statement
had been given in td the Commissioners of the
Barrack Board on the 31st of October last, by
Wm. Pierce, a Clerk in that department, contain-
ing an itemisation against a Mr. Prentice, another
Clerk, employed in a very responsible and confi.
deutial office in that department, that lie had sold
the Unica hi it, and that too since the Bill of
the' Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chancel.
lor of the Exchequer) against the sale of offices.
It also charged him with having employed clerks
to prepare Mtge accounts. He had further to
•state, that a letter had also been written to the
Lords of the Treasury, stating the practice, agd
eallitig tht•ir attention to it. He had himself seen
the letters, aid he could assure the Right lion.
Gentleman, and the House, that they would bear
outhis statement.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCUEQUER
declared his readiness to agree to 'the motion fur
the productioh of these papers. •
Lord FOLKESTONE having received inform-
, ation, that, lh consequence of a prosecution some
tine since initituted against a firm for the sale of
Akio hi the City, the penalties of which prbsecu.
Lion the parties were now suffering, some papers
or letters &pile:sting other • parties in similar
offences had been put into the hands of the.law
officers 'of the Crown, •he wished to he informed
by these Gentlemen, whether such documents had
been ,given to them ; and if so, whether it was their
Intention to•take proceettings against the parties so
implicated.
The ATTORNEY-G EN ER A L answered, lfiit
it had been stated by the parties, the objecti of•lba
prosecution (Messrs. Pohlman and Keylock), in
order to give colour to their own practices, that
persons high in office wore concerned in the sale of
offices. Amongst others, it had been stated that
the ke of Portland matte 30M01. a year by the
sale of offices, and also that the Lord Chancellor
was engaged in the practice.. Upon such groun4s
tie could not harbour the. slightest suspicion, still
less institute a prosecution. Be had no paper of
the kind mentioned by the Noble Lord put into
his hands, and consequently he had no proceedings
to Institei.

The SO lACITO R.G EN ERALabegged to give
the same answer. •
Mr. IL A.DDINGTON. declared his intesttion
to• vote for the Papers relative to the Barrack De.
partment, for which a Parliamentary ground had
been laid, but should oppose the other motion of'
the lion. Gentleman.
The question was then put upon the first mOwl
Lion, • and negatived without' division.
. Miry WARDLE?, neit moved, " that there be
Lid before the Howse a general Retura of all that
Park, employed, in the diffcrent. Departments of,
the Navy Office, Navy Pay Office, the Transport
Office, andtho Sick and Wounded Seamen and
Prisoners of War Office, with the date of their,
original entry Into.the' same, their ages, number,
of years service, their. salaries on their entrance
into Ahem- offices, together with the subsequent
additions which may have been made to the
same." •
After a few words from Mr: Robert Ward and
Mr. Davies Giddy against the motion, -and a few
observations from Mr. Wardle in support of it,
this motion was also negatived without a division.
Mr. WARDLE then moved, " That there be
'laid before the Houle a Copy of a Memorial
itiveu in by William Pierce to the Commissioners
fur the Barrack Department, dated October 31,
1809, and also a Cop/ Of a Letter from the same
Person to the Lords Com'mis'sioners of the Trea.
Bury, calling thoir attention to that Memorial."
This Motiois was agreed to.
BMBEZZLENIENT BILL.
On moving the Order of the D.ty for the fur..
ther Consideration of the Report Of the Embezzle-
ment Bill,
Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved that it be. re-
commhted. The. Hon- e having resolved into the
Committee, Mr. Itushington in the • Chair, the
Committee**. proceeding with the Bill, *WO