The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-03-14 00:00:00

Right lion. Gent. was pursuing the Same course
adopted in a time of war, now that the Pcnpsrty
Tax hadoessed, and the War Taus were only voted
from year to year. He did not meat to i Anita *es,
thing wrong, but Was convinced that the Parliament
would forget its constitutional jealousy in votiug
away the public money, if they did tibt insist ott
further enquiry.
The CHANCELLOR, of the P.ACHEQUER
had conceived that he had got rid of the dilliculty
started by the Right Hon. Gent. It Was a miscon-
struction of the Act to suppose that it conferred any
power of issuing Bills to an unlimited amount, or be-
. yowl the Ways and Means actually voted. All that
' it did was to enable Grivernment to issue Excliegtnr
Bills in anticipution of the produce of aids granted
by Parliameet.
Mr. TIERNEY said, the whole watts question of
figures. The Malt Duty and the Consolidated Fund
issued their own Exchequer Bills, anti unless there
was an account of the amount issued shit° the lest
Supply, the House was left completely hr the dark.
The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER
should not object to the production of the account,
if moved for. As the House would not presume an.
irregularity, he had trot thought it necessary to lay
it on the table in the first insiairce.
Mr. PONSONI3Y declared his intentioh tb ob.i
jeet to bringing up the seaport, until the House wet
informed to what purposes the sum now asked for
was to be applied. A Peace Establishment was here
proposed of nineteen millions, without the Right
; lion. Gentleman condescending to communicate the
slightest information upon any one item of the ex.
penditure whirls it was meant to defray.
The Ch ANCELLOR. of the EXCIIEQUEft.
could not presume to anticipate the judment of Par-
liament, before any estimates were laid sir the table
but, by agreeing to the Report, the House gave ne.,
opinion as. to future establishments ; they merely
provided for supplies which had beers already voted,
and he considered it advantageous to abstain from eu.s
tering into subjects not before the House, and upon
which they possessed so little information. •
Mr.-TIERNEY said, that the whole calculation
was founded upon a Peace establishment. He did
not wish to anticipate the question; but if the House
should vote those taxes, they would recognise the
plan of the Right lion. Gentleman. It was imps.
Bible to agree to five millions without adopting Iris
system of a Peace establishment. He hoped, how. ,
ever, that the Right Hon. Gentleman would not press
new taxes, till the House were better informed of.
the situation of the country.
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that by agreeing to the Report the House
did not pledge themselves to the whole or any part
of the plan lie had suggested : they did no more than
provide for expences which were indispensably ne.
cessary, and lie thought it proper that these taxes
should he submitted at a time when other taxes were
1 about to expire. According to the arguments ,of
the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney), larger
sums might be wanted; but if he could place himself
1 for a moment in his situation, he could not impose
Iless onerous taxes.
Mr. TIERNEY asked the Right Hon. Gentle:
i man, whether, if he only wanted five mi:lirers, Ise -
would think it right to resort to his present measure ?
I It was proper that the House should be fully inform-
:ed upon the subject. He was sure, that the Right.4',..
' lion. Gent. wobid see he had not taken any factious • I,
objection, hut farther explanation its absolutely tie- '
cessary. The Right Hon. Gentleman, therefor*,
should devise some other mode, and leave it to be :
discussed when the whole of the supplies were to be
voted.
I Mr. PONSONRY would repeat the grounds of
Ihis objection. The Right Hon. Gentleman having
i stated a certain motion, and told the House that .19
millions were necessary for a peace establishment,
, then desired them to adopt his plan, without enter.
ing into particulars, and showing how the money
I was to be applied. This mode of. voting supplies at
, different times was what he most particularly ob.
jected to, stud he protested against it as au itirsova•
' lion npon forraer practices, and altogether uncoil.
stitutional.
Sir ROBERT HERON observed, that the plan
' of the Right Hon. Gentleman was in direct typos
sition to the interests of the nation. For what pus.
pose were we to threaten the countries around us
with a fear of war ? He must protest against voting
supplies to such an amount, without insisting on one
'resource,—he meant that of the most strict economy
which ought to pervade every department of the Go.
vernment. Alitsisters, if they consulted the treu.
quillity and happiness of the country, should militia
'the Illustrious Personage who exercised the goy.td
I Functions, to limit his expenditure; and should in-
:form him how far more glorious his days would be,
were he to reform his expences to the wants of Isis
subjects, instead•of encreasing the enormous awl mi.
necessary charges of an extravagant Court.—[.lleur,
hear!]-4t was not long since, that the nation had
admired two illustrious Sovereigus who ."
.courttry,• and the cause of their having rece
: much approbation was, that they had ene
greatest privations in limes of public dish
was a conduct worthy of Imitation, and
take the liberty of recalling to the recol
the House the words which William the TI
of the best of King's, had addressed to
liament. " It alwayGgives me," said that t
nerds, " the deepest concern to impose
thens on my. people; but I have never
any which related to my.personal expeaces.
hear !]
' Mr. BENNETT observed, that Minister
told the (louse a syllable.as to the real sir
the country. It was not Os intentention at
to make any comment on., the taxes, but w
came before the House; it would
,he his
oppose them, for he objected to them all.
sidered it proper to abolish situations where
pay without services; and, indeed, to put
meat itself upon short allowauce.
1 Mr. P. GRANT protested against voting
plies, without having a -distinct and comp
1 statement of the wants •of the -country,
those wants were to be supplied.. It was
! of the Right Hon. Gentleman, that the II
; net sufficiently' informed, and, therefore,
Icould•be attached to those who. objected. tO
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