The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-09-04 00:00:00

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Mr. Blakie--Will you swear you did not see him on,
that day ?—Witness. I don't wish to say any thing;
wrong, Sir. . .
Mr. Blakie—l am sure you do not.
Com:mite—Did you see him to your knowledge?—
Witness. I did not, Sir.

CORONER—I know yon all, Gentlemen, by your
feces, but I should be puzeled if esked if I knew you
by names.
'Mr. Am:menus—So should I, I am sure.
. A Juror—But you know all the gentlemen of the.
-Bar, whether in or out of their 'robes, Mr. Adotplius?
Mr. Ai:imagine—lndeed! do not :'quite the contrary.
I stared very much indeed, quite impertinently, at a
13eiltleman in the Inquest-room the other day, imagin-
ing him to be a Barrister, and afterwards felt it neces-
sary to apologise for it.
After a few observations from the Coroner, the exa-
mination proceeded.
Mr. Blakie—Did you see any other officer before
Lieut. Gore came up on that day ?—Witness. 1 saw
one, but I can't say whether it was before the hearse
came up or after.
By a Juror—l did not see a ioldier's horse fall at
Cumberland-gate that morning ; I saw two fall at.
Tyburn-gate ; have been better than four years in
the regiment; I can't say how long Lieut. Hall has
been in the regiment.
By a Juror (Mr. Browne)—l was not one of the
patty a ho prevented the hearse from beitig turned down
Oxford-street.
Here witness's evidence was read over to him. In
addition to which, he stated as follows :—After the
affray was over, and the Keane bad passed, we went
back and formed near Cumberland-gates ; I do not
know what further passed, as I was sent off by Lieut.
Gore for orders.
by Mr. Blakie.-4 was present on 'the 21st when
the troops were drawn up for inspection iu the bar-
racks.

Mr. BlatieDid you see Lieut.*Gore tkire ? 'Wit-
ness. eaw Wm when he came out.
•Mr. Blakie—Did you see him there'—Witness.
He does not belong to my troop ; 1 ditl not gee him to
toy knowledge, but be might be &etc .willatiut my see-
ing him.
Coaosren—Why it is proved over and over That he
was there.

Mr. Blakie—Did you see Lieut. Hall there? Wit-
ness. I don't know where you' mean, Sir.
Mr. Blakie—ln the barracks ?—Witness. I cal.'t
say to my kowledge that 1 did, Sir.
Witness having signed his deposition; withdrew.
Mr. Blakie here addressed the Coroner. He *com•

mental by observing, that when Mr. Henson first
made his appearance at the Inquest, he was questioned
as to the authority by which he acted there, and he
. (Mr. Henson) immediately informed the Court that be
appeared on behalf. of Colonel Caveidish and the
other-officers of the Ist Life Gnarl's. Mr. Adolphus
• had been Weill:opted in a similar manner, and there-
fore he (Mr. Blakie) should feel that lie acted Neon-
r.istently, if he did sot, on the part of himself and his
brother jams, proceed in the same manner towards
the Gentleman who had but just before avowed him-

self as the professional agent of some persons con-
nected with this inquest. Mr. Illakie then wiling to
the gentleman whom we have already alluded to, said,
“ May I beg, Sir, to knell, yfitir name ?"
The Gentleman answered, My name is Crowther."
Mr. you have the goofiness to inform
us who are. you.' clients on this occasion ?
Crowther.--:-1 should have had no difficulty
from the first in gitiog you this information, were it
not That I thought it involvei a matter •f delicacy.
It has been laid that there are two parties he this case ;
now I belong to neither party. I certainly have clients
here, but if I state that I attend here as an Anhui
Curia, I presume it will be sufficient.
CoOIIONZR—We have too many of that description
• of persons here already.

Mr. CROWTHIP—AS Mr. Adolphus has thought
proper to keep the Jury in the dark with respect to his
clients, I suppose I may do so too.
The Foreman—That is what I have been complain-
ing of all along. I have said that we are groping in
the dark.

CORONER•••--I heard something of this before, but I
thought it applied to some witnesses.

Mr. Blakie—Tlien I must appeal to you, Mr. Co-
roner. I have put a question, and you see how lam
answered ; but, however, this gentleman may blink
the question, I have no hesitation in saying, that their
attendance is, contrary to the principles of this Court,
which is a Court of Infinity. We have already pro-
tested against the presence of Mr. Adolphus as an ad-1
Tecate, and we now protest against the interference of
this new. gentleman ; I am sorry to detain you, Sir,
but I now call upon you to state upon what ground it
is that you allow these gentlemen to screen the guilty
(if there. he any guilty) from our inquiry ?
Conoxen—Mr. Adolphus does not obstruct the in-
quiry ; when be puts a question, it is for the purpose
of explanation. It is our duty here to listen to all
parties for the purpose of getting at the truth, and I
do not know bow we can do better than avail ourselves
. of the abilities of a gentleman of Mr. Adolphus's. skill
in. his profession.
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Mr:Browne (a Juror)—This much will I say, that
our proc.eedings should be impartial and not preju-
diced ; but 1 wean to say that Mr. Adolphus cannot be
impartial when he bas Odd that be saw* nose but the
enemies of Lieut. Gore at the Jury table. I may per•
haps excite the risible faculties of some gentlemen,
but I mast state this.

Mr. Makie—l am sure Mr. Adolphus could not• so
fir forget himself as to say this.
Several Jurymen together—l beard Mr. 'Adolphus
say so.
Mr. Browse—l shall stand up for our character as
a British Joey, it matters net my height, colour, or
utilise, and I do say, that I shall not suffer (Mr eights
to be frittered away. [This observation. called forth
some applause.] •
The Foreman—l have frequently called upoi :Mr.
Adolphus to state his authority for being preseit, bet
he is comsat with ststieg that the Gentler has Titled'
it so; I am not satisfied with this answer; and I nevi.
call upon icr. Adolphus to *hew us his mobbrity for
being preset.
111r-..4OWTHIIK said, .tbat if Mr. Adolphus would
give up 44 onsets. he (Mr-Crowther) would ,givi op
his.•
• Mr: A DOLPIIUS said, that the last observation whieh
I.a& been made was the CONSWISIiO.9I laspwidasass

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there was a person whim. be did not lasow awing I
that he would do something on his (sir. Are.) doing a
certain thing. He (Mr. A.). had, from the fitst,
stated, tlfut he appeared Mete as Conasel Tor 'l.ln'
Henson's clients. The Jury bad all along acted. and
treated 1441.4 hat Gentleman as the Solicitor of Vor
Cavendi h and others. He (Mr. A.) could give the"
nan.es of his clierits, but he aid not feel it necessary
to cto.so in answer to a Faison who gave no name, and
who. sbewed nought. He •was sorry that Mr. Illakie
4ittl.put his.question too soon.
Mr. Selene wise about lb addreas the Court, when
Mr, Aoris.rucs begged:it to be understood that he
appeared there as the-Cot:mei for...a party; but they
were mistaken indeed—tberinjuredtlae, profession to
which he belonged, if they supposed that be wished to
embarrass their proceedings. As to any observations
which he might have used Oita former occasion, he had
only to say that be did not hold himself -responsible
for any thing which passed before the Court was
opened.
Mr. Browne (a Juror)—The observations 'to which
I have alluded were used in full Court.

Coroner—This inquest is likely to last look► enough
Of itself; but if we permit interludes of tbis kind, we
shall never have done.

Mr. Spicer—Suppose w•e admit Mr. Adolphus as
Counsel,for—;-
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A Juror—Motu?
Mi. Spicer—The party 'accused.
Mr. Biownc—l call upon Mr. Spicer to' inform 'its
who is the party accused ?'
• Coroner—Some of the Lifc Guards are certainly
accused.
Mr. Spicer—You have admitted Mr. Waithmin for
the prosecution.
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111 r. Brosyne—There is no prosecution. The King
has lost a subject, and we are bound to inquire, even
in justice to the young Noblemen concerned, how that
loss took place.
Mr. Spiccr—l say the same thing.
Mr. Browne—Then you blow hut and cold with the
same breath. • .

Foreman—We had better appelt/ to the Coroner.
Coroner,—l think 'this inquest would, have gone
bates on if it was left to myself and the Jury—(Clap-
ing of hands.)—It would be much better if a stop
wore put to such disgusting scenes as this.
After a few further observations from Mr. Adolphus
and some of the Jurors.

Mr. Blaicie said he bail 'no objection to Mr. Adol-
phus, or iVeil 'to Mr. Crowther's reniaining ; but he
hoped that some guarantee would be given against
further intrusions.

Mr. CROWTHER said, be ►►• as nut to be put flown by
Mr. Adolphus, or any other man in England.
After a few observations from Mr. Adolphus, the
Coroner, and some Jurors,

Mr. CROWTHER SAW, he appeared there on the part
of the relations of the deceased.

r. A I/OLP/Ms-Mr. Wait lonian appeared for them.
Mr. CROWTIILR-..-M r. Waithutan is ueithet barrister
.nor solicitor.

Mr. ADOLPH CS—Do iou mean to say that you ap-
pear fur the relatives of the deceased ?
Mr. Cuow'i u shall answer no questions put by
Mr. Adolphus.

Mr. Blakie said that this she►ved the absurdity of
allowing persons to interfere.
Mr. APOLPIIIIS—This Gentleman is on the same
footing with Mr. Waldman. ,
Mr. Browne E aid it was much to Mr. Waithman's
honour to have taken the part he did ; no man de-
serves to live who could ref►►se to advocate the cause
of a fellow-creature so circumstanced.
A Juror observed that the Coroner allowed what-
ever Mr. Adolphus put and suppressed ►what he op-
posed.
Mr. Spicer objected to this as an unjustifiable attack
upon the Coroner.
The examination then proceeded.
Mellish Hoskins, of 46, Green-street, Grosvenor-
square, examined :—I am a merchant by profession ; I
know nothing of the death of Honey.
A Juror (Mr. Browne)---1 was not at Cumberland-
gate until half-past one; 1 suppose the procession was
gone through before 1 came, as 1 saw nothing of it; I
wore ne great coat on that Jay.
Juror—Then, Sir, 1 am sorry you had the trouble
coming here.

Mr. Browne—l understand that the ten men are in
attendance; perhaps it will safe time if we call the
trumpeter first.—The trumpeter was then ordered .to
attend.

The trumpeter was then calletiiit'And examined ; he
is a smart looking young man apparendy under
Robert Jones—l am extra utusitian•in the First Life
Guards. 1 know nothing about the death of Richard
Honey. •
A note was here banded to the Coroner on the subject
of another inquest, it was understood that the Jury were
to adjourn over ta-morrow.
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Examination resumed—Mr. Blakio—Have
un-
dergone any examination previous to your coming' here
to•day?

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Wiliam—No, Sir, nor on any former day; I was on
duty on the r4th; we were ordered to Kenqington ACM.
Mr. Blakie*WhArern.ordered there? Z ,
Witness.—Thejorty to which I belong ;' it it Com-
manded by Cap Oakes; we went to Kensingtoni; it
was about eleven o'clock in the forenoon when we got
these ; we remained there, I suppose about ten minutes,
and we then moved as far as Park-lane with the pro-
cession ; we stood at the corner of Park-lane about ten
minutes; I was on duty at Canaberland-gate on that
day; I don't below to Lieutenant Bore's detachment ;
we have a Trumpet Major, hi', name is Walker; I can't
say who was the Trumpeter to Lieutenant (lore's de-
tachnsept ; I saw Lieutenant
-lore, but did not are his
party; whim I &Moot at Cumberland-gate I saw Lieut.
Ours; I lead ms monversatiois with hint; he did not ask
me to lead Ida a pistol; nobody,e)s.askad me; i did
not lead any one Nputol without;bying piked; no one
'took n`pistol frets my holster *about being asked; I
had one pistol when I started from the barracks. 411 is
not.nuat to carrione,lut if a soldier has got one's4oich
be canAcpend upon he May carry it: I am quite sure
ai I hada pistol which I mold depend upon, I mirk's!
*re; Imm-taite Mee when L returned to the bat
lie a I had that pistol withme.
!By Mr. Rrottne.—There was no Other trumpeter be-
side one attached to Capt. atkes's party; I saw no de-
tachment at Cumberland-gate; there are 'tight trum-
peters to a regiment; they are -Major Walker, next
trespeter Fret*. trumpeter Midst; trumpeter Rath-
bone, trumpeter Farman-, trumpeter Edwards, trum-
peter Wylde, trumpeter &dolma We bad assaanaition'

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served out before we left the ViCrracksf it is 'itin any
matildoty ku particular to serve ont the anarnunitiont'l
always carry tstols on duty of that sort; I have been
eleven years in the service next Deeember;. I wet not
born in the regiment ; my pistol was not fired that day,
the 14th ofrAugust; 1 did not tome at the head of tile
71.1tacliment ; 1 followed a corporal and two privates in
the advanee; Capt, Oakes followed me; • I did not see
Capt. Oakes..till we had formed up against the Rates;
1 don't know that he and I went through the gates at
the same time; Capt. Oakes might be six yards in my
rear; I- did not cast back my eves en coming to the
Edgware-road, to Capt. Oakes .for orders; I followed
the hearse; came through Cumberland-gate ; I cannot
say whether I was through before the firing commenced ;
1 heard firing; I saw and felt the brickbats thrown be-
fore the gyring.
By Mr. /thin/give—The throwing
.of stones began
when we.got into Kensington, and continued at inter-
vals till we came to Cumberland-gate, and then grew
more 'stronger; it manifestly endangered the lives and
limbs of the soldiers, and injured a great many.
By a Juror.—When we came up from Knightsbridge
the Hyde-park gates were shut: I don't know who open-
ed the Park gates.
The witness then signed his deposition.
The Jury then obtained leave to retire for a short
time ; but before they left the room,
Mr. ADOLPHys stated, that the trumpeter who attend-
ed Lieut. Gore on the 14th, was in attendance.

In about twenty minutes the Jury returned, and

William Bishop was sworn.-1 am a trumpeter in the
first regiment of Life Guards troops, troop D. ; I was
out on the 14th; I know the nature of an oath ; I was
stationed at Cumberland-gate; I know nothing of the
death of Richard Honey; I can't exactly tell at what
time I left the Ll:wracks that day; it was in the morning
about eleven o'clOck ; I came out of the Barracks with
a detachment ; it was commanded by. Lieut. Gore ;
was stationed, after I left the Barracks. at Cumberland-
gate; I was equipped that day according to field-day
orders; I had pistols, but not ammunition ; I had one
pistol; I am sure I had hut one when I set out ; I made
no use of it ; nobody asked me to lend it 'him ; I did
not lend it to any one; it was never out of my posses-
sion on that day; I was stationed outside the Park at
Cumberland-gate before the procesEion came up; I had
no conversation with Lieut. Gore that morning; it was
not my duty to ride near him, I rode behind him about
three yards; I did not hear him say any thing about
his cloak or his pistols; I did not see Lieut. Gore with
a pistol at all tint morning ; I know Lieut. Hall ; I saw
him on the morning of the 14th ; I saw him riding
through the Park till he came through Unn.l3-rland•
gate with the corpse ; I did not see him any time in
Oxford-street that morning before the hearse Came up;
the first time I saw him was when the hearse came
through ; there was much disturbance then, the people
were throwing stones ; there was no firing in conse-
quence of the mob throwing; at Tyburn-gate towards
Edgeware-road, I heard reports of pistols, but there was
no firing-at Cumberland-gate; I saw Lieut. Hall as he
came through Cumberland-gate, not distinctly, but was
sure it was he. The hearse had been gone through
Cumberland-gate about five or ten minutes before I heard
the firing; the people, besides throwing stones, called
out " Butchers," and " Blood-suckers," and other ill
names ; I do not know why they called out in that man-
ner. I saw an affray between the mob and the soldiers
in keeping open the gates ; the soldiers were obliged to
use violence to keep them open ; they were obliged to
hit the crowd brkeep them back with the flats and backs
of their swords; this was the time when the people
called out "Butchers." We cleared the crowd away,
not by tiring ; we cleared them away by the flats and
backs of the swords ; I am sure when I went home I
bad my pistol with me; I am one of the trumpeters be-
longing to the Life Guards ; there are eight full trum-
peters, and six supernumerary; I am sure my pistol
was not fired out of in the whole course of the day. I
was at Cumberland-gate before the hearse came through
about a quarter of an hour ; the reason I came out with-
out ammunition was, the • corporal missed giving it to
me ; I was at Cumberland-gate about ten minutes be-
fore Liedt. Gore gave us the refreshment; the Guards
cleared the way about two or three minutes after
the refreshment ; I saw no persons rode down ;
there were stones flying from towards Tyburn-gate ;
I left the Barracks about eleven o'clock; all Lieu-
tenant Gore's party came out together; we did not
leave any at the Park-gate as we came by; we
did not halt coining from the Barracks to the Park-
gate; nor by the trees under the water works ; we came
through the gate without any interruption into Oxford-
st. ; we formed to the left of the gate as we came in, when
we formed to the left of the gate as we came in ; when
we were so formed, doings were quiet ; we formed in
proper order; we were not molested at that time; it
was then we received our refreshment; the mob did
not begin to increase then ; after we had taken re-
freshment our first orders were to keep the gate
clear ; the crowd afterwards came up and closed the
gates; there was a quantity of stones thrown front
Park-lane when the gates were shut; we were order-
ed to clear the way by Lieut. GAIT; then the hearse
came through ; I can't say how Tar I was then from
Lieut. Gore; I was on the left side of the gate when
the hearse. came through, between Cqmberland-gate
.and Tyburn turnpike; I can't say where Lkut. • Gore
was at that time; Some of the detachment was in the
inside of the Park aftei the hearse passed through, to
[nowt the coaches; I went to 'ply commanding officer
in the coarse of bushiest; after the procession was
through, the soldiers all mixed together; I did not
see the firing commerce; I was at ,Cumberland-gate
when the tiring commenced ; I don't.know how near
I was to Lieut. Gore at that time ; I did not see him;
I did not see a man shot ; I Aloe% know which de.
tuelsment commenced firing; I have no knowledge of
any of the men who did fire ; it was at Tyburn-gate
I firm heard'the report of *pistols ; I teas then in as
lunch daiger of being shot as any body; when I heard
the firing I moved hearer to Tybarn-gate; I did not
see any officer at all fire that day; I did not see any
other treospeter•there. •
By Mr. Annum —The soldiers struck with the
flats and baits of their swords; if they had not done
-so, I do-not kuow whetter there must have been a
prodigious slaughter or not—(Laughter.)
Cottottna---1 be ownw'has made tio calcnlation'; his
answer walnut be talten•down.
Mr.-ibtaxte—Mr. Coroner, has Mr. Adolphus put an
!Improper question or riot ? If he has not, the answer
should 'Sot be expunged. • ' - - .

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