The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-02-11 00:00:00

tio~He would not say that his private hake had less likely or less inclined to shelter himself Whited ,
beer, reined ; but this he would say, that If all the secrecy Connected with that station • thin the
those glum which he had spent from his private for. Marquis Wellesley. That Noble Lord went out en
tune
while employed in the public service, were put t a special commiasion; the. amount of the chaise
together, they would purchase an annuity at least; against his name wee 16,0001. ; but when deductions
equal to any pension for past services that *odd be were made from that sum, which arose from the
granted him if out of office.—[Hearf]-1t was tree 1 loss of several effeets, aud from other causes his
that a Noble Friend of his (Lord Leveson Gower) i expencee would- be fpund reduced to 12,000 C: and,
bad declined accepting any pension for his diplomatic when it was considered that Lord Wellesley had to
services: but he would put it to the candour of the J keep a table for all the officers who had resorted to him,
Souse, whether, having impoverished his fortune in 1 in a country where thearticlesoflifemere then extreme—
ate capacity of a servant of the
_public, and at the ly dear, the Haase would judge whotber that sum was
risk of injuring his own family, he should be moreeaorbitaet than hisstatiouandidteation required.
expted to follow that example of liberality.— I The CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER
jasr, hear, hear Tl—The last bead of expencli. , could not help remarking how reaseaable all the (a-
tm, was 7,9001. as a compensation for the losses ' pence, connected with the foreige missions had been
which he had sustained in consequence of his sudden • found, when they bad thus been subjected to minute
removal from Constantinople • besides a sum of esanaination. There were, however„ many secret
7811. for similar losses of his Secretary. The It hole sources of expenditure, which it would be inconve.
of his private elf,cts, which at that capital be va- Went to the public service, and ruinous to indivi-
hied as worth 21,0001. and the_ pillage, exposure, ; duals, to explain. As the object of the proposed
and other injuries which they sustained till•the ar. Commiteee was to compare the expenditure with the
rival of Mr. Adair; he could not estimate at.. estimate of the Civil List, he had generally no oh; ;
ess than 7or 80001. This sum he had submitted to ;Isaias to such an enquiry ; but the Treasury at. "
air. Canning, when foreign secretary ; it Wu ap counts, he, conceived, would be toile suificieut 'for
...ompanied with all the necessary vouchers as to the Hie satisfaction of the House, without calling for the
njury his property had received ; and his Hon, ;Mots of the King's kitchen,' if, An the coarse of ,
luccesser In the embassy had declared, that his ! the enquiry, any thing more particelenly thee the
were perfectly just. The lion. Member (Treasury accounts should be feed pecemary, then .
hen proceeded to state the circumstances which had inch farther particulars could he inoved for. The
educed him to quit Constantinople in 1806, pre- I Right lion. Gentleman then said • few words eon-
• ious to our commenting hostilities with Turkey.l c'ruiug the expediency of &tins up Windier aid
t was from Lord Grey that he then received instruc—i the other Paiute ; the expences attendant ea which)
sinus ; and it was due to that Noble. Leta to imforts Ibe conttulat,Jre unreasoneide,.
the Rousts, *wimp .441 r. A.) esiformly stated to I • Mr. TIERN mid, he would not hi befettifin
WI, that it was abselately necessary to pursue the Committee by what the Right Mon. Gentleman
such measures as were then adopted, and that un- ; stated. He did not wish to push the examination
lei i sepa.lron were sent to Constantinople, the of the Civil List Expenditure to an unnecessary et-
Court of St. Petersbergh would never have believed treme; but if it should be found that a veil of se-
that we ;ere sincere in the common `canee. As " crecy was to be thrown over certain items, he should
seen as Sebastiaei arrived at Constantinople, it was like to know whether these items were not included
perceived that France had gained such an ascenders, y under the head lor Secret Service Money. The Right •
with the Porte, thatthere waL the strongest tendency , •lion. Gatemen had asked, whetuer the House
in the latter power to break with Russia. It was on , wished to poke into the King's kitchen, or whether
this principle that it was thought proper to 'mite the they would-not be satisfied with the• accounts from
intlueace of the B.i:ish gooerliment to that of Treisury? The very reason that be wished fora;
sic. He then briefly .det,ited the se.eral dream- t particular examination was, that these Treasury ac-
stances
that occurred to him in _his official capacity, counts were unsatisfactory. The Treasury accounts,
from the time of the arrival Sebastiani, until the therefore, he would not take. As to what was said
period when he demanded, and was rerused his pass. , about the Royal Palaces, be was not inclined to
ports by the Porte. He was not eV' a allowed to cramp the Sovereign in this respect, but some hounds
send dispatches to his own Court ; .od finding him- ot.ght to be established somewhere; for it might hap.'
self, therefore, not in a situation to nJgociate with pen, that some artful builder might get a hold of the
freedom, be resolved to quit Constantinople. Hav- Ro) al ear, and by utfdne means cause an eapence in
ing understood, also, that it was intended to detain this respect quite unreasonable and.unnecessary. He
himself and the British factory as hostages, he took should he the last man to deny ovary branch of the
measures for their safety; and under pretence of in. 3 Roya! Family every convenience befitting their rank;
siting them to a bauquet, had them all ceovejeft on but he thought, that there had been tno great an un-
heard the frigate in which he was. The squadron willingne's to cavil with Royal wishes; and he wished
which bad arrived under Admiral Dlickworkh coati- that such an unwillingness had not existed.
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need three weeks below the Dardanelles ; and the
Turks, In the mean time, set themselves about for-
tifying those passes. Still, 'however, he continued
to uegeciate ; and to 'hew that he was actuated by
no motives of regard to his personal safety, he went
ashore, and had several interviews with the Captain
Pacha. Every length which he could p for conci-
liation he went—but when all his efforts failed, that
passage through the Dardanelles was effected, the
particulars of which he .ves sore must be in the re-
collection of the Ruse. For every thing that hap-
paled esti. that pewage, be arowed liin;self retipon:
Bible--but when once the squadron got into the sea
of lliarmora, his respnusibility was at an end.—
Of this he could assure the House, however,
that it sever was in the power of the Admiral to
act—ear ii it hod beets', be was: confident that that
Limits', sad Ms squadron, would have done their
duty. He concludo.d by Stating, that he was willing
to ghe any farther publicity that might be revised to
ever) tart 6f his conduct.
Mr. It. ADAIR was happy to have it In his itipwpi
to confit In th•rstatement just made to the Home, is
every pelt where he had been appealed to. As to
the building of the Palace, he thought it was neces-
sary; and t at the expenses attending it ought very
fairly to be defrayed ry the Government. Though
no persn., was kss inciiited than biinself to revive the
menthes tkf a forgot ,eis eontroversy, yet he beg ed to
troutle the House with a felt circuinitences-connect-
ed with the departure of 'hit 'liononiable' Friend
from Constantinople. Ik.eertnirify - confessed,. that
if he Lad been in -Constantinople undei.the cirgum-,_
'turn in %bid% his. 000ktmbia raeud was, he i
could mat have actedaeroise thin ills Honourable
t
Friend did: but, at tie dame tiara,' in jestide to the
Goverument which placed the squadron at the dis.
pool, of the British Ambassador, be most say that
that squadron was fatly adequate to the objects which
it %Ili intended to accomplish. No blame, however,
attached to the gallant Admiral, nor, as he knew, to
any co I.n. person,althought it muitheahvays regretted
that the ikitish fleet did net sail op to the walls of
7Ntstantinupk. As soon as the fleet had effected 1
a pessnge of the Dardanelles, so great was the con-
etaat;on of the Turks, who thought the forts Un-
tenable ageinst any human-effort, that the Sultan
eclarel to iebastiani his determination not to hare
•is car.ital insulted ; and ordered • Sebastiar I to quitl
•onstantincple. Scbastiani burnt his papers ; but
he Sultan being somewhat re-assured by the Spaaish
`lnhaF,ador, a negociation was artfully set on foot,
:hi. h unfortunately succeeded, and to the success
f %I:ich the circumstances which afterwards occurred
ueght in some measure to be attributed.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, he had one word more
? address to the House, of which his Honourable
.riend had reminded him. Whatever failure occored
vas to be attributed solely to him. It was be alone
hat was responsible for it, as the f
laced under his controul was
he purposes for which it was sent
Colonel BAGWELL justified
, .oreign Ministers, which, from wi.
n Sweden, must be necessarily very great.
Lord G. LEVESON GOWER
nature of the items against his
List. The first item of 50001.
toning the
_Emperor of Russia I
time. The second occurnedjo.lBoB,
from the Court c.,f Petersburgli. '
so assure the House, that he. was
elusions.
Mr. R. WELLESLEY said, that
'ho ever endertook a foreign

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Mr. LONG said, he thought the House was de-
sired to take a different course to vrhst it ever did
before. lie e ishal it. to be understood what the
powers of the Committee were to be, and whether
they should be allowed to send for persons, papers,
and records. He thought they ought to consider
Mr. Durke's Act, and whether the checks contained
therein had been attended to. Fee his own part, it
seas his opinion that they bad not been effectual,
though they might be made so • and with that ender-
' standing that they should endeavour >o asakeetweasse,i
be would give every assistance to tho Committee In
his power to give.
Mr. TIERNEY saki, his object was to know how
the exceeding' had arisen, which was not to be at-
tained by merely having papers before them. H.
thought they ought to have viva voce evidence as to
many very material articles, without the power of
calling for which the Committee would be nugatory.
Mr. BATIWILST thought this was a question of
economy, bat not of such a nature as to give a power
to the Committee to send for persons, papers, and
records. lie thought the chief part of the enqeiry
.would be in the department of the Lord Chamberlain
and the Lord Steward ; and those 'eight furnish suffi-
cient vouchers to satisfy the Committee, without
sending for persons. It was not like the case of a
private person; great delicacy should be used -in in-
eestigiting the accounts of a Sovereign; There were
various checks which the Committee -w ould. have to
resort to • and checks were the best mode of ewer-
taiuing the truth.
Mr. EDEN said, the object he had in view in
Moving for a Committee, was to enquire what had
been the expenses of the Civil List, and to ascertain
what part had been properly and what improperly I
;incurred. It might be necessary to sea: for persons;
and without a power to do so, the object of a Com-
mittee would not be attiiued in the way he thought
4t ought to be.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUIIR..
said, that when notice wag given of the present too-
tion for an enquiry into the expences of the Civil
List, no one could sonceive it would be proper to
go into extraordiery matters, or that larger powers
should be given than were usually given to Consmitel
tees. lie should suppose the House wou'Al sot pro-
ceed otherwise than tney have usually done. If . the
Committee found the inforiastiou laid before them
was not sufficient, they night come tothe House fbr
farther powers ; but till they did so, there would be
no occasion for those powers. As to the part which
his Hod. Friend (Mr. Bankes) wished to add to the
L ameiou, he thought he might better obtain his ob-
4ect by an Address to the Crown. He, therefore,
wished him to withdraw his motion.
Mt. W. WYNNE said, he was at a less be cow
ceive how the Committee were to proceed without a
power to send for persOns, papers, and records'.' • It
' —.ware to nsll ise Lord Clperberfaie

Previoui to their being sworn, Mr. BROUGHAIIi
Counsel for the Prisoner, put in an affidavit front
Mr. harmer, the Solicitor of the-Prisoner, which
stated—
" That a Captain 'Willoughby, he* Incigitig Kt
the Salopian Coilde-hpae) was a material witness on
behalf of the Prisoner, as well as on behalf of the
other Prisoners charged with the same otlentie, as he
could prove that force was used by the rteneh to
duce the British prisoners of war to enter their serVire,
and that one man was executed for refusing sti to do.
This Gentleman, however, was so 111, that be would
not be able to atter.tl for some time.".
Mr. Bnoucuast expressed a hope that Opt
toitti
would, under these circumstances, allow . such a de-
lay as would enable the accused re have the atkan&
tage of this Gentleman's evidence, which he deemed
actually essential to tlieir iriterestss
Baron MAGDONAI.D said, the affidavit *its to itself
so wholly defective, and of such a natural. as.pot to
warrant the Cuort in complying with the teggest of
the Learned Couael.
The ..lury waft, then sworn, and '.the indictment
read, which contains the charges.thit 4t Already
I been stated: ", That on the Ist of A,Ognstf la the
48th year of the reign of his Majesty, tieng before*
and from thence hitherto, a war existcdr between his
Majesty and Frake; that the Prisonerrweil know&
ing the same„ dirt, withdraw his allegiance from the
Kingoi Great of, Wititin, he being oner °fhb' Ma•
jesty's subjects, qnd did aid and assist, ,to olt,.ott •
the Ist day, of December, in. the 49th par 4 Aul
King, in the. Isle of France, the laid Isis hale( tit•
possession of the French the said enemies, i 4 de&
fente Or tbetaittstm-",'ltbsillvetisvert amseintrgoll-
was, that he-did unlawfully go from a prison, in
Which he was confined, and did join himself to divert
Frenchmen, and with them did serve as a soldier
the service of France; nest, that he wore .the
form of the said soldiers;. and, lastly, that; he did
unlawfully assist in keeping and guarding dicers pri•
soners, liege subjects of his Majesty, ce4hied a;
prisoners of war in the•said Isle. • 1
Mr. Assort having opened thetas' on tb. pert et

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the Crown,
The ATTORNEY.GENEILAL, in addressing the Jury,
explained the. Law of Treason. He then stated, that
the Prisoner was born in ellegiAnce to his Majesty,
' in the neighbourhood of Dublin, and was a subject of
Great Britain. He entered'on board the Lintel ship
of war as a sailor, and was sent with her on the ex-
pedition against the Isles of France and Bourbon. It
so happened, that this vessel, after a tieperate engages
meat with a French frigate, was forced to surrender,
and, together with the crew, amongst whine nas tke
prisoner, was taken into the Isle of France, where
the crew was placed in captivity. Not tang after
which, the Prisoner agreed to enter the French ter*
vice, provided he was allowed to go at large, and was
'accordingly liberated upon these terms ; did enter as a
French soldier, wore the French uniform,, consorted
with the soldiers- of that nation, and actually acted
as a guard over his own countlymen. This last fact
was considered the grossest insult by the British prim
soners, and in consequence of their application the
Prisoner was-removed. The Learned Collate' then
proceeded to call witnesses to prove the facts alleged.
Joseph Worth stated, that he was a shipmate with
the Prisoner, on board the Leivrel, when sfie was
('taken by the French) and carrW to tike
ittnirbon. Vnireimed'him; that he
was born at the Sheds of Clontarf, near Dublin.---
He along with himself, and the rest of the crew,
were put In 'conffnement at Port Louis, and in about
three months afterwards, though'he did not see the
Prisoner liberated, 'he saw him at liberty, dressed in
a French soldier's uniform, namely, white turned
up with blue. - The Prisoner continued at large in
this manner doing duty as a French soldier, until the
Island surrendered to the British forces. Witness
himself entered the French service as a soldier and
wore the uniform.
On his cross-examination !readmitted, that, he was
liberated at the same time with the Prisoner. The
prison in which the crow bad been coefineal was on
the ground ffoor, and the crews of two sups were
confined iu one room. They were very much au.'
noyed with vermin. He twee( saw so much vermin
in any place before. When he deserted to the Freacia
service he was in a state of intoxication, and be was
threatened, if he went back to the English, with
something that would not be good for him.
On his re-xamination by Mr. Gsnaew, he said
that before he and the Prisoner had deserted, there
had been French troops coining frequently to entice
the men out of prison. He could not say exactly
how long the Prisoner was at large, but the Lance)
was captured the 12th of Septeutber, 1808, and it
'was about three months after that the Prisoner left
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prison.
Mr. Bitooncam here interposed, and said, that
this part of the charge, which imputed, to the Pri-
soner the fact of leaving the French prison at the
time specified, mast fall to the ground'as three years
bad elapsed singe the circumstance occurred. .The
agreeicg•that evidence to that point -c•cid not
the Prisoner by taw, now desired, however
'that evidence to the rest of theovert ads charged
against the Primmer might proceed.
Thomas Mitchell, Master at Arms, proved, that he
44 heard the Prisoner say, on board the 11,hysi ,
William, when in confinement, that be. wag briar and
born an Irishman.
Captain Woollcombe, Commander of tbelaurel
when she was taken by the French, proved that he
saw the prisoner very near a hundred times in the
=ret
streets of Fort Louis, walking about with a French
soldier's. uniform .upon him, in company with the
rest of the French soldier!: He thought he had seen
him also under but he was . sure he saw him
Brereton was taken 'on beard
-N frigate, and carried Into
December, MOB. Maw the
the first ties in hip life;
perfect recent, ~ of hire; is Wires hst.
•.- - .ther Brijitk-Otficers to him; he was
- turned op with green, sad
cockade. The prissier had
hithseif, wheni be via *
had- frequently, by tie
make hint and the other
Aptibleim *sit& lc the eyes
had• soldiers. lie had semi
vreash Olken as they plea.

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