The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-05-17 00:00:00

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I.VPEIRIAL PARLIAMENT.
SWIMS OT LORDS.—Wessosor, MAT 16,,,
la the Appeal Case of the "Bari of Jersey 0.
Suiltis.- the Judges attended and delivered their:
opiaios seriatim, after which further preceediags were
mgrowttireriise
ed to next Friday.
WorliAWSDOlnfit moved for an se-
rmon,. of all rS3nee imported into and exported from
Sid% Callnity Item 17Si to 1110.--Ordeieti.
Sir J. Corrasu., Mr. IlLaaa, and others brought
up from the Corneas the Stratford Railway Bill, the
Manehester-steeps lispinvesient Bill, the Poplar One
•Ligliling Bill, *and i variety of Private Bilis, which
• wlll4-tend i first time.
The Stitch Court of Admiralty Bill went through a
C 1 iQttee, and the lesiport was received.
• • 1%. Scotch Cants of Sessions Billets* west throng%
a Coonnittee, bat some amendment having been made
in ;tit provisions, the report was ordered to be received
'11.4101101V.—Adjourned.

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MOVIE OF COMMONS.—Weestiort, Mat 16.
la consequent* of a ballot fee a Committee to try
At merits of the Petition from the City of Limerick,
,the Uallery was not opened till beWpast four.
CRIMINAL LAWS.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH, in consequence of the busi-
ness which stood for that night, rose to move that the
order of the slay for the second reading of the Bills
fa ameliorating the Criminal Laws should be post-
poned. He had before postponed them till after the
Easter holiday% not for his own convenience,
but for that of other Honourable Members,
and lie must now, being driven from this day,
throw himself on the indulgence of his Honourable
Friend, and enquire if he would consent to postpone
Ills motion which stood for to-morrow, so that the
second reading of the Bills in question might then
come on. He was induced to make this application.
as a small delay might raise objections to the adop-
tion of the measures which those who were friendly
to them would regret.
Mr. RENNET was ready to postpone his motion
'which stood for to-morrow, if no other stood in the
way for the second reading of the Bills of his lion.l
and Learned Friend.
The second readings of the Forgery Punishment
Bill, the Dwelling-house Robbery Bill, and the Nati-
gable Rivers' Robbery Bill, were ordered to be read a
second time to-morrow.
Mr. BENNET postponed his motion which stoosilfer
to-morrow, till the 31st of May.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in
order to give way so the expected debate on the Cri.
initial Laws, posponed the Public Accounts Audit Bill,
till Friday se'nnight.
NEWINGTON VESTRY BILL.
Mr. H. SUMNER rose to submit a motion connected
with the Select Vestry Bill.
Mr. Deritsoe and Sir It. WlLsoss rose at the same
moment with Petitions, which they wished to present
against the Bill before the Hon. Member made his mo-
tion.
The SPE.IKER called the attention of the Home to
the situation in which be was placed. The practice
was to furnish him with a list of names, to be called
over in succession. He could not deviate from the
course thus marked out for him without taking upon
himself a most serious and inconvenient reeponsibilitv.
Mr. 11. SUMNER thought it was possible that the
Hon. Members who had risen would not think it ne-
ceteary to present their Petitions after hearing him.—
At all events they could not be sure that it would till
ti•ey knew the nature of the *motion which he was
about to submit to the House, otherwise he would not
object to their being presented before he went further.
Be thought it would be better that he should go on.
afid at all events the Petitions could be presented af-
terwards. He then described the proceedings which
hail taken place on this Bill. lie hail presented a
Petition on the preceding slay, which gave a history
of what had taken place with a degree of temper and
of accuracy that was seldom witnessed. Ihe coue
taken in the Committee was so different from that
which the House had contemplated when it appointed
Oat Committee. 01.1 it was his intention to move that
tl.ose who bad formed it should be discharged from
farther attendance on the Bill. The proceedingsl
h id been of such a nature, that if some effectual mea-
stars were not taken by the House. be should hence-
forth despair of any order it might make being at-
tended to in a Committee. Circumstanced as he was.
I.e ;nest move that the House should in this particular
case resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House
toe the Bill; and if the House should refuse to agree to
01% lie must then move for the appointment of another
Select Committee. He would recommend that this
Oersoulttee (if a ',lett one) should be a small one, and
compostel of Members who had no local connection
with the Parish, and as far as that could he done. of
persons who had taken no part in the discussions
en this subject. He moved that the Committee to
seisms the Pithiest for considering of establishing a
Select Vestry for the Parish of St. Mary Newington
Lail been referred, should be discharged from further
attendance on the said Bill.
Mr. DENISON rose before the question was put.
The SPEAKER inquired if the lion. Member o.eant
telecom' the motion.
Mr. DENISON said No, be did not indeed.
The SPEAKER then read the motion.
Mr. DENISON then said, before be proceeded to
comment on the extriordinary speech of his worthy
colleigue, be must remark. with perfect gdod humour, ,
that the Hon. Oentleaan was so accustomed to carry
101 l measures with a triumphant majority, that when
he failed, he thought he had a right to come to the
house and• complain of those who might happen to
differ' from hint. When the Hon. Oentleman took his,
seat, as he hoped he would some day, oe that (the Or-
ation) side of the House, he would be wore used.*
tied himself is a minority, and that would teach him
to Heir such disappointments with snore temper. His
nos. Prised had spokes of thiemeasure as If it were of
no mere importance than a cofomon Road or Turnpike
ABU .11, listid it to be of great importance, as affect-
ilirtki/lights of a very tismeroas body of persons. It
lost Sees said that this measure bad been found neers,
144, in eossequenesi of the riotous pricemilegs which
had takes' place at the Church. He *towered this
sweeten% by recoauting the assailers which bad us-n-
-k ally attended the Vestries for a coissiderable.o lied.
hest Isetbowed were seen. being in setae l astaices
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do Mk tse. There v...
tt wits proposed to build new
.4 Select Vestry Bill was first brongk
wards of 1,000 persons were there, of whom
held up their bawds la favour of the Bill.
is this part of hie speech tbs Hon. Member was its',
tempted by the entrance of
Ur. Dyson with the Report of the Balletier a Cost`
mittee oa the Limerick Election Petittea.
Mr. DENISON resumed.—The Petanition for the
Bill bad been signed by one hundred d six per.
sons; of these, six bad since withdrawn their names.
three were assessors, and six collectors..of taxes; est
was in the hands of justice, or would be shortly, as
be bad bad the sisfortaas to break his leg is tryisi
to get away tree was a jailer who had boss
ashamed from his office. another a Coal-meter who bad
bees ropriasaatiod tot sdiesedset; twenty-
those who had signed were assessed leader M. per
annum, and forty-seven under 301. Those who had
petitioned against the Bill, in number exceeded
1,900. But sometimes it was said yon have the ad-
vantage in numbers, bat how are you with respect to
property ? He would tell the Home bow this stood.
The rental of the parish was about 84,00(1/. 'I hose
who were for the Bill held property of the annual
value of 3,5001. Those opposed to it could select
106 from their body, who held property in the pariah
to the amount of 4,5001. yearly value. It would thus
be seen that they bad the advantage in property as
well as is numbers. The annual Romani of King's
taxes collected in the parish was 25.053/. The paro-
chial taxes amounted to 27,540/. ; to this was to be
added for lamps, watching, and highways. 1000/.
making the parochial taxes altogether 30,000/. while
those paid to the King did nut exceed 25,00a1. It
was proposed that taxes to the amount of 341,0001.
alsould he rained by the select vestry which was to be
invested with a greater power than was eltercised by
the Rouse of Commons, and the members of the se-
lect vestry were to he chosen for life. If ever there
was a scheme for imposing taxation without tepresen-
tation, this was one. lie proceeded to point out other
parts of the Bill which were objectionable—men-
tiuned a petition received by the Committee. which
represented the name of the petitioner to have been
obtained to the former petition in a very improper and
scandalous manner, and concluded by opposing the
measure in the strongest terms as most unjust—nnjus-
tillable. and unconstitutional.
Mr. BYNO described the proceeding' in the Com-
mittee; so far as they had come under his notice, he
had seen nothing irregular there, and thought it
might be desirable that the old Committee should he
revived.
Mr. MASK explained same expressions which
had fallen from him in the Committee.
Mr. Alderman WOOD opposed the motion. The
lion. Member should never obtain another Select Com-
mittee. If he succeeded in discharging the present
Committee from attendance, lie should avail himself
of every means afforded by the forms of the house to
defeat his purpose.
Mr. DAWSON thought the course taken by the
Hon. Alderman proved what the real character of the
opposition to this Bill was. What he had now said
was perfectly in unison with the spirit manifested in
the Parish. When the Worthy Alderman threatened
to stop the whole busisset.a of the country to oppose
the motion of the ilonourable Gentleman, lie did
no see that this manifested any thiug like a nisi; for
fair inquire.
Mr. Alderman WOOD and Mr. DawsLiN severally ex-
plained.
Sir F. BURDETT remarked, that the hour was
late, and, in order to proceed with the adjourned de-
bate, he moved, that the debate should be adjourned
till Friday.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, on Fri-
day be should feel it necessary to bring on the Com-
mittee of Supply early in the evening. He saw no
reason why it might not e one on to-morrow.
Sir F. BUR DETT then altered his motion, by
naming Monday for resuming the present debate.
Mr. li. SUMNER hoped the (louse would not ac-
quiesce in the proposed adjournment. He now took
more interest than ever in the present Bill. lie felt,
after what had passed, that if the House did not inter-
fere, it would in future be useless to attempt to do busi-
ness by means of a Select Committee. Daring his long
course of Peiliamentary experience, Ise never witnessed
such proceedings as those which took place before the
Committee. He felt it necessary to speak out on those
proceeding.. and lie repeated that if the House did not
now interfere, no private Bill whatever could be expect.
eel to go on in a Committee up stairs.—(Hear. hear!)—
Ile had been long a Member for a populous county, and
had perhaps more private Bills passing through his
hands than any other individual in that House; but in
all his experience lie never saw any thing conducted as
the business of this Committee hailbeen. What Isr.onort
immediately complained of was, that nothing had as yet
been done, owing. to the obstructions which had been
made; the Committee had met repeatedly, but only to
adjourn again, and to repeat the same at the nest meet-
ing', He certainly hoped the House would go on now,
and not consent to the amendment of the HOB. Bart.
Mr. MABEItLY said, as one of the Committee, he
certainly hail not gone into it with the intention of op-
posing the for the sake f main! any delay, bat
because lie hail strong objectioons to souse of its clauses.
Ile owned that great delay had been caused by the op-
position offered, but a great portion of that opposition
was created by the manner in which the lion. Member
conducted himself. As Chairman of the Committee, he
ought to have sat quietly and heard the diecnssions fps-
lug forward ; instead of which he became a common de-
bater. and ]pined in every discussion that arose. He
hoped the House would not agree to grant a Select
Committee of the lion. Member's own choice, to sit
upon a question involving the provisions of the consti-
tution respecting.tlinrchn-ardens and Yestriea.
Mr. Serjeatit ONSLOW thought it was unlikely that
the promoters of the Bill should have created the'delay
complained of.
Sir W. DE CRESPIONY said, that the interruptions
in the Committee proceeded front the lion. lientleinan's
partiality.—(lmuil cries of " Order, and "Chair."
The SPEAKER was sure that the Hon. Hentleman
would be the first to see that the language lie had used,
during his warmth of feeling, was not consistent with
the dignity of that House, or of its Members. The
question before the House did not at all embrace the
canvassing of any Hun. Member's conduct in another

place. -
Sir W. DE CRESPIONY bowed to the decision of tbs.

Chair.
Mr. O. BENNF.T. after remarking upon what bad
fallen from the Hon. Baronet who spoke last, said that
the Bill of the lion. Member for Surrey was a tune jots.
Marquess of LONDONDERRY (as an *mkt.
stood bins) wits sorry to interrupt the lien. 111embor

laugh)--but he
going into the 1
PI ET said,
. term, as applied to certain ptomaines.
no ease geoid it be mere ply applotiSsa to 661
Present Bill. A job then it was, ands job be wadi
call'it. The Hon. Member then compl.doed that OtOs
Clews es the other side made the toostioo of
party, and supported it only from party The
Hon. Member for Surrey, proposed that addte Bill
should be taken out of die hands of a regular Contesit-
tee, and put into wham? Why. Into Ms own. Thil
showed that though he could not obtain a majenity et
stairs, be bad nothing to do bat to come dews and
bring the matter before the body of the How, where
be expected to have the nomination of umber Com-
mittee that woald carry his measure. The (*softy
orgies to knovrtbis, because if a Member who usually
voted with the majority of that House. could act in
such a manner sad be supported by the Ministers, then
it was clear that the interests and property of every
man in the kingdom were in the bands and power of
Ministers themselves. He trnsted the time would sot
be far distant, when there would be other places
in which to tell the Honourable Member this, and'
where its application would be more properly es-
timated.
Mr. SOMERS COX thought the proeeedingi of
the Committee bad not been founded upon any prin- 1
ciples of justice, and he should therefore support the
lion. Member for Surrey in his motion.
Mr. PRICE hoped that if the business was disposed II
of it would not be to any distant period, because that
would he giving an advantage to the oppoeees of the'
measure, who only wanted to delay the proceeding
until too late a period in the Session for their final
completion.
Mr. H. SC SINF.R defended his conduct as Chair-
man of the Committee. With respect to what harm
fallen from the. Honourable Member for Abingdo
relative to his speaking in the debates, he had only
done so when it became his duty in consetrenee 0
th-ir taking a shape quite contrary to the regulations
of Parliament.
Mr. CREEVEY said, that it was most toe much to
expect that the Hon. Member wood,' col-tent to the
po•lponement of the business to Mooll.sy tura.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that the llottottrahle Chair-
man only spoke in the Committee up in points of
order. The Honourable Baronet morel an Ames&
'sent, " That the Debate be Adjourned till to-morrow
instead of Friday."
Sir J. MACKINTOSH wished to state, that if this
question was adjourned till to-morrow, he hoped it
would not interfere with his motion relating to the Cri•
mina! Laws. He had made many sacrifices of lime
to other Honourable ,Nlerubtre, and as he expected to
occupy a coniderahle portion of the time of the House,
he hoped that the sante courtesy would be extended
to him.
After a few further observations from Sir J. Olta-
n.tm, Dr. LesIHNOION, Mr. AlAssrteut, M. J.
Salm, and Mr. R. ALIIITIN, the House nail under-
stood to divide Nom the question of adjournment to
Monday.
For the adjournment. 71; Against it, $7
Ma-
jority, 7.
Upon our re-admission to the Oallery we under-
stood, that after the strasgers had withdrawn, an
agreement hail been come to, to fix the resumption of
the debate for Friday.
Time Marquess of LONDONDERRY laid upon the
table Copies of the Convention between his Britannic
Majesty and the Emperor of Germany, entered into on
the 4th of May. Also Copies of certain Papers rela-
tive to the Austrian Loan.
Lord J. RUSSELL presented a Petition from —• Hat-
field, Printer, of l'ambridge, praying for the Repeal of
the Law affecting Libels in Newspapers, as contained
in chap. 87 of the 60th of the late King. Ordered to
he printed.
A Message from the Lords announced that their
Lordships had agreed to several pi ivate Bills.
Mr. W. SMITH presented a Petition from the Per-
sons engaged in time Woollen Manufactories, and in
the Woollen Trade, praying for the Repeal of the Tax
upuo Foreign Wool—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a Petition from the several
Bankers of Bristol, praying for the repeal of the
Usury Laws.—Ormlrred to be printed.
WINDOW TAX IN IRELAND.
Mr. SHAW, in rising to submit a proposition for
repealing the tax upon Windows in Ireland, felt the
disadvantage under which he should lithoer in copse-
quenre of the absence of many of the Irish Members.
The lion. Member contended that this tax was col-
lected in violation of time Union enactments, and that
it had decreased not only the value of houses in Ire-
land, hot the revenue itself had suffered very materi-
ally by the injurious operation of this Tax. lie hoped
the attention of time Chancellor of the Exchequer
would be directed to time subject, and he was sure that
Hillis tax were abolished, it would greatly strengthen
the resources of Ireland. He concluded by storing.
si That a Select 'Committee be appointed to inquitet
into the expediency of repealing the 56th of George
111. so far as it relates to time Taxes on Windows in
Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of time EXCHEQUER ad-
dressed the House, but in so low a tone of voice as to
be inanslible iu the liollery. All we could collect from
the Right lion. Gentleman was, that it would be mani-
festly unjust to the other parts of the kingdom, to
itholish this tax in Ireland, at the present period.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, considering the late period
of the Session, he should advise the Hoe. Member to
withdraw his ISIOI1011; because they could not go into
a Committee. without raising hopes that you'd rot be
realized, at any rate dnring the present sitting of Par-
liament, and which he thought would calculate to ir-
crease the distress oy the disappuintmeat that must

ensue.
Air. III:ME did not think it at all too late it the
Session for the purposes of inquiry, and ite should
therefore support the 'nation. Ile was sore that if the
tax were stmiewitat rltln,.W :Jr revenue would not be
at all injured thereby.
General iIAILT could not help observing that the
miseries under which Dublin was now steering. mere
to be cleiedy statibuted to the saki. of the two e.g.
tries, and to the operation of this tea.
Sir W. DE CRESPIIIINY sapportell the motion.
The Marimese of LONDONDItititT ...d. that the
54414401 gnus tan far advanced for any foetid perms
of ingairy. If the Commit'st song* tie fONIMAOf

lion until the next year.
Mr. MONCK thought that in general it was mica
to relieve one port et the community At the expewiso
another. Yet it was worth while to consider *helm
the City of Dublin was not entitled to souse eolnii,
ratios. It had in consequence of the"Unleii, Issst do
realm sad suttport of the leading Nobility aid
Gentry of the kingdom. •
Mr. SHAW said, he thought he should best vomit
the latprest of his constituents by a cempliesee
the suggestion of the Noble Marqurs•. He theseeei,
should not press his notion to a divagate%) bat lewd
give notice, that early in the tiext Session, he sham
bring the present subject tinder the coustderashe
the House.
The Motion WAS then put. and tts:ratieed.
Mr. HUM E begged to ask whether, in.anomitite
of the arrest of certain individuals, natives of aw
lonian Isles, a Petition had not been presented No,
them to his Majesty's Ooecrnmeet, and whether it eas
considered that Natives of the lonian Isles came 'nu.
in the operation of the Alien Act ? •
Mr. LIOULBURN said, that a Petition such as dm
alluded to by the Honourable Meinber, bad certaiuly
been presented to the Colonial DepartessenL He cos
lewd be was not lawyer enough to be able to answer
the other question of the Hon. Meniher.
ADJOURNED DEBATE—MANCHEIITER.
Sir ROBERT WILSON moved the Order of it
Day on the motion of Sir Francis ltudett, relative I.
the Transactions at Manchester, on the 16th of :tar
$l9.
The question on the original motion being pal Ira

the Chair,
Sir ROBERT WILSON rese.—lt was saws! fa
the spoke last us t 4
ide of thellsesete
im ecteldoinn.r andng :afrnronaeaoidtdicfitt:Mhtoohtevereatoinsi3penbisenpoetesorgrestiiistiv:::etlesrocessat
defendthe people as heirs
edirieterinepiirehonetett.icetcovhateesse.:l,7ictnatte
sary to tdate all
the statements which had been made by the .tier side
in answer to the present motion. It was gat Ns.
cient to sustain the motion if enough had Walhalla
to jaatify the Inquiry, for that alone was the Aiwa(
the motion. It had been said, that no one malt in.
peach the conduct of the brand Jury of lameaster, of
which his Noble Friend (Lord Stanley) was Clesitass.
It was po-sible that the Urand Jury had taken as er-
roneous view of the case. It was possible to state tbk,
and yet impute no improper motives to that °nal
Jury; but it certainly appeared that they had deelied
examining certain circumstantial evidence offered bp
person whose Petition be had presented last night. It
bad been asked by the other side, " Why, if the cm
is so strong, has_there not boo a single convictiee Ist
murder?" It was a fact, that upon the Oldham Is.
"lest seven or eight Jurymen had declared that ha
set the Inquest been broken up, they would have con-
sidered it their duty to return a verdict of murder. Is
this part of the case he could not hut observe that he
believed the Coroner had not d srel to act !spool& ewe
responsibility. The Hon. and Learned theatiessa bad
also asked se Why a civil action had not Iseetleteirk
which would raise the principal question r• nun
Hon, and learned Members talked as if law awl
cheap. He could assure the House, that out si the
money snhscribed by the Public on this occasies,the
Committee had paid upwards of 1.01101. for mows
attending the Oldham Inquest, and 7001. for the trial
at York ; so that the Committee had left in their bawls
a sum of about I,ioo/. to divide among 600 safferew
Had a single conviction been obtained, the arrant
from the opposite side of the House would them bare
been the other way. It would be said that the Coma
of Law were competent to afford redress. He theaght
the question did not turn altogether upon the legality
or illegality of the Meeting at Manchester. The Ise
was to protect, and not to destroy, the subjects tilde
realm ; and the true question, was, whether more 4-
hence had b.oes used than was necessary.—(Hear )
Sheriff had no right to use unnecessary violence is the
execution of process, and even a thief taken is the
act of theft could not be lawfully ill-treated. 1k
might be apprehended, but to kill him when be tale
no resistance was murder in the eye of the law. Vb!
had Captain Porten been cundemned fur sari&
Simply because his tire upon the people had been multi.
awed longer than was necessary. The same res•
seising applied even to common soldiers, for a soldier
obeyed the unlawful commands of his officer, Obis
own personal risk.—(Lond cries of " Hear, bear.")--
It had been stated that the London Committee sr
pointed on the occasion, which was the subject of the
motion, had sent persons down to Manchester, Else
had done that which had a tendency to inflame the
public mind. Ile could assure the House this was eat
the case, and that the Committee had given strict he
structions to the persons in question not to offer
e"
ore
an opinion on the subject to the unhappy ale
With respect to the depealtioat illicit bad how Por
dnced by the Hon. Member for Dover, it wtessullek"
able that no one of theus bad been prodit is a
Court of Jnstice, and that one of the deponean
self was was a party accused. In contradiction to for le•
seral subatance of those depositions, he bad the We'
meat of a highly respectable individual, the Ref. 11r.
Stanley. 'lbis tlentleman stated, that on the
412! le
question he was at Manchester, in en upper r•ans while
0e
commanded a view of the whole area of adios.
stated that there was a free communication to. tle.
hustings ; and, indeed, Mr. Hay lad himself edeoftea.
the same. That a minute or two after the arrival el.,
Mr. Hunt, there was a cry of " Here are the
soldiers..
That the Yeomanry were then ill siJit ; that they se'
iacteas
joiner against a foe ; that they galloped
gpaced
a 131 opt ti,tsats silfu ;Levy' wbeuret theirunti er ptahcee 4w:fa:::
over a
whom they left apparently
of their movements, rentleredescape almost ispipowir.
immediate. It
That the dispereion of the people was so
seemed like n tii%persion by magic. That no
..1:3
ante was offered on the part of the people. esolo
hews to shanties I"-
lifeless, J•iid by the rapit
slight disinclination which was s
banners. That previous to this day. he haded
violent expressions; but that the law golige
is"rnajd
afterwards was strange indeed. The Peal° ekea
said big. Idu
revenge, because they had, they .
wthloduleghthtekye
(Mr.were Stanley)nnargoe had
dd
hdreunferdsbctaesdlettosteibra3oll:ll
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Irrrster *Wads 's& hieillit4-(A
of
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roiliest 'onward. op Sir. O. Bi
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of
whom bat so Celllllloll ten

busitairer noir bet, they essit dare over wider* her Is 4. ge
ness og bad, and that would erasure all the dee that trait.
that *yo4 je vas a ad. He trusted his Hun. Friend, the Member
o certain prscrodisp sad is Dublin. would postpone the consideratios et this car

101111kbora amuse,') Woo %mum a I.li
the Wand Jury had takes sae,• dent
case. It was possible to state dd., i M
improper motives to that Grad tram
illy appeared that they had deelieri mob
ircausstantial evidence offered by t
calf
on be had presented last night. It
tel
the other side, " Why, if the ate übi
ere sot bees a single convictio ler gem
a fact, that upon the Oldham Is- that
it Jurymen had declared that had wee
41 broken up, they would have cue dem
:y to return a verdict of murder. Is for
r he could not hut observe that be wee
er had not d 'fel toad spool& ma drat
be Hon. and Learned (heatless' bad Neel
a civil action had not lisonsluseek the
t the principal question?"• fine Imo,
3letubers talked as if law amyl and
assure the House, that oat si the it w
by the Public on this oceasise,the they
id upwards of 1,04101. for mere,
• saw
121 U Inquest, and 7001. for the yid pelt
he Committee had left in their heads not
EMU. to divide among 600 saw, pla
rictiou been obtained, the argils/I sell
side of the House would them btu tali
F. It would be said that the Cost by
setent to afford redress. He Amok art
not turn altogether upon the legal" her
le Meeting at Manchester. The Ise bet
rid not to destroy, the subjects a* •
jes
rue question, was, whether more el,. 1 La
rd than was necessary.--(Hear )—A of
rht to use unnecessary violence isthe La
cess, and even a thief taken is the pr
Id not be lawfully ill-treated. 1k me
ended. but to kill him when he math oe
t murder in the eye of the law. Wit as
dens been condemned fur Enrolee
Isis tire upon the people had been cod. ffi
an was necessary. The same res Psi
yen to common soldiers, for a soldier cs
mini commands of his officer, at hit is
k.--(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")--
lied that the London Committee sp tl
occasion, which was the subject of the m
it persons down to Manchester, she
rhich had a tendency to inflame the }:.-
le could assure the House this was a* . 1
tat the Committee had given strict it 1
o persons in question not to offer We 4
the subject to the unhappy safer" o, 1
the depositions abide had MuPr :.
an. Member for Dover, it wasnesk" . I
* of them had been prodatul is a
e, and that one of the deponents his" ' 1
F acritsed. In contradiction to the f . I
rof those depositions, lie had the sr 1
sly respectable individual, the Rer.
ilr. 1
s tlentleman stated, that on the day ii 1
sat Manchester, in en upper rams Web o
riew of the whole area of adios. Ile 1
re was a free communication to the
I, indeed, Mr. Hay had himself atlnsitted
ef
'al a minute or two after the arrival
~
so
re was a cry of " Here are the ldiers;
alarm- were then ill sight; that they at
slowly, but their pace increased 4
0
1 if they were under the influence of or
a foe ; that they galloped over a
soma. . .
ft apparently lifeless, and by the rapidly
mews, renoleredescape almost imposur•
sersion ad. people was so luistesiis,le.:
nispersion by magic. That no r•i
red on the part of the people• clopt ier
&Ades the
illation which was Silesia 10
hat previous to this day. he had 14'. _ Lt.,:
.scions; but that the fang' ar.."76i
as strange indeed. Thep eople 18161..1
•A boo stosce.:
11110 they had, they said.
rote unarmed nd Cedes.aefra That l'.
Ir. (
multitude,ha ad heard hr Catlin.
...thiss
had sees ~_
i by the he