The Statesman.
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TTIE STATESMAN.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Sir ARTHUR I GOTT beenfat* & up a Petition from Antigua,
relative to the S Tof that island. Read, and ordered;Flt
lie on the Tab . '
to •
PRICE brought Sir GNARL in a Bill for the Improve?,
mcnt oftlf Navigatldn of the River Thames. .1
31r. T t RN Y moved for aka of the several SUM applied
in aid of the Clvii pist Revenue. and f r a specification of the
p arte, from which they were derived, JelilBl34 to Mi.
If
A Petition was brought ug and'reid, relating to some u,ndi-
selted claims of the American lm_yallsro.
The CHANCLLLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that be
had no authority from the Ptince Regent to express either dis-
sent or affirmation on this subject.
On thc motion of Mr. DA VIES GIDDY, the Order of the
Day for the consideratiop of the Wouon-Basset Election was
and postponed till the 18th of February?:
AXTON brought up the annual Bill for thecontinn-
-1 ancdiscrdehrao. rfil e
thedi ,
malt, tobacco, arid bind duties. Ordered to be read
1 a third time (this day).
A Petition from Barbadoes was presented by Sir ARTHUR
PIGOTT, read, and ordered to lie on the Table.
DISTILLERY BILL.
MR. LUSIIINGTON brought up the Report of
Distiller
Mlery
Sir JOHN NEWPORT regretted that it had not
been earlieria his power to call the attention of the
House to one clause in this Bill. He was go enemy
to the general subject and scope of the measure; but
there was one part of it on which he wished the
House to pause, and consider it in all its bearings,
before they adopted a Resolution, which, according ,
to his view of it, would lead to the most pernicious
consequences. The clause to which he alluded re-
lated to the prohibition of intercourse, by which the
exports were to be suspended between the ' two
islands. He observed, that there was a striking con-
trariety between the body of the enactment of the
Articles of Union, and the schedule attached to it.
The eighth article expressly forbad any bounty or
prohibition; and it was in a great degree on the
faith of that article that the compact had been form-
ed. It was not, then, with a view of inflaming, but
rather to preclude inflammation, that he should urge
that the question ought to be fairly and fully consi-
dered, and that a salutary enactment should not be
put away, as by a side-wind; by the annexation of a
Schedule. Ile begged the House to consider how
far this principle of prohibition would lead. Sup-
posing it should be thought advisable to cramp and
confine the manufacture of linen in Ireland, the
effect of adopting this principle would be, that
the linen trade would entirely cease and deter- '
mine, Be was aware that this was an extreme case ;
yet he was justified in putting it, iu order to shew
1 the danger of drawing this present measure into a
precedent. The Hon. Members would consider, that
this question was an object of discussion, out of the
House as well as in it ; and that the Irish could not
but observe, that the Imperial Parliament was com-
posed chiefly of Englishmen, in the proportion of 558
to LOU; and that it was in the power of this majority
to destroy the effect of the original compact, and
, ' thus, in the words of the proverb, make the weakest
go to the wall. Indeed, it was natural and to be
I
expected, that Members would entertain prejudices
favourable to that part of the kingdom to which they
belonged : and if he (Sir J. Newport) could not be
struck with this circumstance,how much more weight
was it calculated to carry out of the House? lie de-
precated, therefore, the mischievous principle which
should suffer advantage to be taken of a schedule to
the destruction of all the advantages held out by the
Act of Union. It was from a firm conviction that
he was doing his duty to his country, that he de-
sired that the House would fairly and fully meet the
question, and provide some legislative remedy. He
would add but ode word. Let not Ireland have oc-
casion to say, that she has been frustrated of one
great advantage which had been held out to her by
the Act of Union, and which he had the authority
of Mr. Pitt for stating, was considered as a grand
equivalent for the surrenders which were made by
i Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
rose to state, that as Sir J. Newport's objections
went merely to one clause, he should, before his re.
ply, wait tb hear what other objections might be
urged against the Bill.
Mi. SINCLAIR objected to the Bill on the
ground thatit intrenched on the agricultural interests
of Scotland. _ _

Sir G. CLARKE rose to move the introduction
of a clause to the Bill. Ile wished to call the at-
tention of the House to what appeared to him to be
an erroneous calculation in two provisions of the
Bill. On the supposition that 100 gallons of sugar_
wash would pfoduce 21 gallons of spirits, an impost
of 7s. Bd. had been laid ; such was the calculation of
the English distillers, who, at first, however, men-
tioned 22 gallons as the average produce ; but the
Scotch distillers estimated the proceeds at 2-1 gallons :
so that if 24 instead of 21 gallons should be pro-
duced, a difference would exist in favour of the Eng-
lish distiller. It was the object, therefore, of his
clause, to propose some measure to 'ensure the ply-
ment of the duty where the produce exceeded 21
gallons. He then proposed the-clause, but was in-
formed by the Speaker, that this was not the proper
time for its introduction.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, that though the inexperience of Sir G.
V,larke had led him into a mistake, with respect to
the forms of the House, yet he had thrown out
some remarks which were worthy of notice. His
statement of the calculation was perfectly correct;
yet it was not till after a considerable agitation of the
controverted points, that the charge alluded to was
adopted, from a firm conviction on the part of the
I House, that the estimate was fairly made. He
thought that all the reasoning, which went to ;wal-
-1 mend the Scotch system in part, would favour the
! adoption of it altogether ; yet he himself conceived
that it was far more desirable to extend the English
'system to Scotland, than to apply the Scotch system
I to England; and he shquld advise the mode of col-
lecting the duty on this manufacture to be the same
lin both countries. He considered the subject as one
of too much detail to be argued in debate. 4 Com-
mittee was the referee fer such minute investigations,
which would only embarrass the measure in its pre-
sent stage. With respect to the objection of the
honourable Gentleman (Mr. Sinclair) that the land-
, holders of Scotland were unfriendly to the plan, he
I could assure that Honourable Gentleman, that more
applications bad been made to hi" front Scotland
thus from ally other varter, for the Iptiodeetion of
this Bill:. Wit respect to the obserVationa ef Air
John Newport, he felt indebted tp him for the bond-
ripe 'weer of his proceedinp lie had sisidrottd

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no with to obstruct the Bill, but had, from a sense
of du, called the attention of the House to a
principle, as he conceired, of the most mischievous ten-
dency. He hoped and thought, that the Right His,
storable Baronet's fears were unfounded. Indeed,
the case which he had put was confessedly extrava,
gent. It was not
probable that it should be ever
thought politic to prevent the impartaiiml of linen
into this country from Ireland ; but even then the
case would net be analogous, unless flax should be
postponed to some other article, and cotton should
be altogether substituted for Ilnan--a supposition
which it was not within the reach o f probability to
conceive. He then observed, that in the. last Session
he had felt this Bill would net meet all the difli7
culties of the case ; yet it had clearly appeared,
that if, while a particular species of manufacture was
prohibited in England, the import and free market
of a similar one from another country should be al-
lowed, the English manufacturer would justly feel
himself aggrieved at an enactment which would so
materially affect his interests. These considers,
tions, together with the circumstance of the former
abandonment of the interruption of the intercourse
alluded to, would, he hoped, convince the Right
Hon. Baronet that it was not the Intention of his Ma-
jesty's Ministers to extend the principle which ap-
peered .to the Right Hon. Baronet to be fraught
with such mischievous consequences.
Mr. nuTcuquoN said, that the Right lion.
Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had
by no means answered the argument of his Right
Hon. Friend (Sir John Newport), founded on the
violation of the 6th irtlele of the Union. The case
put by his Right Hon. Friend with respect to the
linen trade, had been called by him an extravagant
one in supposition, and in practice almost impossible;
but was it so difficult for the Right Honourable Gene
tlemaa to conceive the actual occurrence of such a
case ? Was this case, indeed, so impossible to his
conception ? Was he so ignorant or so forsetful of
the history of his own country, or of Ireland's
wrongs, as not to know, that at no very distant pe-
riod, at a period celebrated in English annals for
facts supposed to be glorious to the English name,
that a message was received by the British House of
Commons from King William, recommending to his
faithful Commons to take every means in their power'
to put down the woollen trade, the then staple ma-
nufacture of Ireland ? When the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman talked of the absurdity of supposing such a
case probable, was it not fair thus to remind him of
what things have been, and what, if British interests
should require it. yet mu/ be. In one case, the
woollen trade was the most important trade that Ire-
land then possessed. The linen tradeis now her staple
manufacture. When the one interfered with the
trade of England, it was destroyed. Why may not
the other also be destroyed, if it should so happen
that It ever became obnoxious to Britain ? It was on
the principle that he argued; and his Right Hon.
Friend was right when he told the House, that there
was no protection for the rights of Ireland, if a vio-
lation, however small, of the articles of Union was
thus to be compassed by a side-wind. The principle
which in both cases he wished to insist upon was,
that experience had taught Ireland how unjust Eng-
land had been, and could be to her when English
interests required it; and that no violation of Irish
right, with regard to any part of her trade, should
be suffered ; because what was done on a smaller,
might, according to the principle at least, be done
on a larger scale. As he had made one historical al-
lusion, he could not refrain from mentioning to the
House, also, that, in 1782, when an extension of
trade was about to be granted to Ireland, petitions
innumerable were sent in to that House, praying that
Ireland should not have a free trade; and almost
threatening, so earnest were they in remonstrance, a
rebellion, if the propositions favourable to the trade
of Ireland were adopted. [Here the Chancellor of
the Exchequer smiled.] The Right Hon. Gent. migbt
smile, but his pleasantry would not charm away facts;
and he defied the Right Hon. Gentleman to con-
tradict him. From Glasgow, and the northern puts
of England, these petitions were unusu.ally. violent.
The Hon. Member then made some observations on
the suspension of 1806, to the same tendency as
used by Sir John Newport, and complained that Ire-
land was not fairly treated by the British Minister,
either in 1801, or at that peliod. The Minister af-
ter the Union, in fact, found that the trade of dis-
tillation had been carried on by Ireland with some
advantages ; and, as in the Imperial Parliament, the
British party was the stronger, he soon found the
means, as he had the power, to take these advantages
away. The stand which he took against the enact-
ment of the present Bill, was, that it established a
principle which might, though not immediately, yet
ultimately, prove ruinous to his country.
Sir JOIIN NEWPORT explained.
Mr. HERBERT said, that were it not for the
Union, Ireland would have been ruined, by its be-
coming some time or other hostile to England. He
deprecated the idea of the English party being con-
sklered, as wishing to take advantage of their strength
in that House; and he was quite sure, that no such
advantage ever bad been taken.
The Amendments to the Bill were then read a se-
cond time; and the Bill, as amended, was ordered ,
The ship Ilindleion, from Charleston, arrived is
to be read a third time to-morrow.
.','lturda last •• she brie s letters and
the Clyde on „ y g
Sir G. CLARKE then proposed a clause to the
Bill for appointing receivers, and regulating the Papers from Charleston to the the 18th ult. These
duty ; the clause was adopted. had been a shtick of au earthquake there on the i5O,
The Bill and Amendments were then ordered to be and another the day following, but no lives w 're
engrossed. lost, nor any property destroyed. The latest Cltarlr"
POPULATION OF IRELAND.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice, that on On Papers state, that warlike demonstrations sit,
Tuesday next be would move for leave to bring iu a continue in America.
Bill, for ascertaining the extent of the Population of
Ireland. V We know of nothing which ought to be more ileoo
The House then went into the Committees of Sup-
ply and Ways and Means ; and the War Taxes for regreled than the way in which the Debate in the
House of Commons, on Mr. BROUGHAM'S Motion, ''e-
the year Were nted, to the amount of 20 millions, • • ed It
part of which to b rae
defrayed by Exchequer Bills. i.specting the Droits of Admiralty was terminat •
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LONDON':
THURSDAY, JANUARY 23, Isl 2.

Cadiz Papers reached us this forenoon to the Icy
inst. by which we learn, that Valencia had net stir-
rendered on the Cth December. Reports prevailed
at Cadiz, that the French had made an attack upou
the Spaniards, in which they were repulsed, awl
driven from some important petitions with the lore
of 14,000 men. This appears most absurd, as the
loss of Sucncr is made to amount to more than the
force actually under his command, he having, as ex-
pressly stated in the. Cadiz Papers, " weakened his
army, by sending a corps of from five to six thou-
sand men to Arragon."—General BALLASTEROS
has been again battled by the enemy. He had " ad-
vanced upon Ogen for the purpose of reconnoitring,
and was attacked by a superior force, which obliged
I him to fall back with the lose of 300 men—the greater
part dispersed." In a letter to the Governor of ll-
braltar, dated 18th December, he states, f' in the
action of yesterday my troops fought with deter.
mined bravery, and the enemy did every thing in
their power to kill me, but it pleased GOD to pre.
serve my life, and I defeated them completely in
every point." Ta,iffa had rot surrendered on the
24th December, but the Cadiz Papers state, that " a
place of little or no consideration,' attacked by very
superior forces, cannot fail of being taken, unless the
enemy's attention is called to some other point.—
We much fear that the rigorous resistance intended to
he made will answer no other purpose than that of
sacrificing victim: worthy of a better fate." The
nish General GIiEiTA is dead, and has been succeeded
by O'DoNrful..

FIFTH ARMY, Dac. 19.
The Intelligence we receive from Head-quarters
the sth Army is as follows :—The Duke of 11Aousl
(MAamox.r) has removed his head-quarters to Tel•
vera de la Reyna, where some forces are collected.
General FOY has suspended his march with the troops
under his command towards Valencia, halting os
the sth inst. a league from Toledo. Our Allies hail
placed Almeida in an excellent state of defence, and
provisioned it .--(Conciso, Dec. I;)

Mead-quarters, Valencia de Alcantara, Dee. 10.

Senor CAST ANOS, in letters receivcdyeteraay,sayg,
that Lord WELLINGTos has been for two days indis-
posed, and in bed ; and that the party of TsstraAxo,
in the vicinity of Madrid, had taken two flue strings
of mules, of which one had been presented to Senor
CAsvAsos, and another to Lord WELLINGTOM.

Bnovoktitm emphatically euires! 1
public money upon a favourite.mistress; he nii
waste It mean a trotitite Minister; he tr;glit