The Statesman.
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Ise tax.

The Marquess of I.ONIItINDEItRY was aneion.,
:o avow to the &louse that !owl hu nut been absent 011

account of indisposition, frosu the late thscussion
up..n th:s suh:;ect, shonl.l bare fat it Lis ditty to
'ogre Popressed in the strongest possible 'winner is:,
senor of the importance of Ilse tax, and of its
necessity in Ilse present situation of the c3outty. .1t
the same time he must now fairly own, that the APll-
tiwrote expressed by the House, to:feher with tl
asnJunt of the tax, and other 'Considerations arisit.

out of the peculiar presr.nro of the existing distress
ul the agricultural interests, had led him to book
at the loss of the tax with less regret or apprehension.
To suppose, hawever.aloat the repeal would afford
any general substantial relief to that interest, wonlol
be folk! follacoss. Cost if it should be con4idered as
a master of sympathy, otitis their distress, anti as an
.arnest of stoat the ir,:i•lature were disposed to da
or affording substanti relief, if it lay in their
:move., he sh tut 1 be wilily reconciled to the other
lisadvan eloich might arise Irons it. It was by
uto turan• an rveut which had never occupied the at-
tention of his Niajesty's Government. He spiv in
:he hearing of many members of the Agricultural
00000 are, in which he had lately epent a large por-
tion of his time, and they would be aware that he
.1441 not unt.eopvntly orentioneti that a state of thitsee
might occur wide!' w. old induce them to reconsider
the subject, to see if proper grounds could be made
out repeal of the tax. it had, however, pro-
rrolrJ on that House before leis Majesty could hoe
vs typos.: ouily fur that reconsidera:loss. There WV
su rat u• It desire on all sides, and in the Aericoiltural
Committee he seas s ire that ail parties hi.l united in
t at •Icsire, to afford what relief could he afforded
emoistently with the general welt's', of the ceuntry.
lie hoped the (votary nottld receive the repeal of
this tax as a pledge of that disposition. Anti if any
relief would arise Irma it, towards that must valuable
class, the Agrirultnrists, it would be a great source
of rousoletion for parting with the benefits which
must have arisen toms the continuation of the tax.
With respect t o the inquiry of the lion. Member op-
posite as to the int •ntion of proposing any fresh tas,
in lieu of it, his Hight lion. Friend certainly had the
power of exereisinz his discretion its proposinz Joy
new tax to the Boise. However, he count no (look
relieve the Hon. Member's anxiety upon that head, is
'this woul•I undoubtedly be a boon to the ptatolie, un-
arm:sopa:tied Icy any thin_ which would be likel:
counteract its eficcts.—{Near, hear.)--lie shoot' I
ma!‘e no fur. her observations upon the subject, VI snit
Right Honourable Fri: ml had born the brunt of the
*aka, aod would continue his attention to the pro-
gres- of the Bill. Ile trusted that when his Riett
Hon. Fri .nd, in the next Session, shonld bring for-
ward his statements of the economical arraneemen-e
ant exertions of the Government, that the 'boos.
sfrontti bear in mind that this tax had been given ep
from a revenue by no means too abundant for the ne-
cessities of the State, and that without any provision
bring made for the d•ficiency thereby created.
Mr. BARINti rept-eased his !tope, that after the re-
peal of this tax, the •:rietilotriias would not turn
round to claios (Wier concessions, and to say tout
nothing had been given up to them.—(Hear, hear.)—
iiononrable Members who ..upported this repeal cosLi.t
to have shoo a their slisposition to relieve the erne-
ral distress of the rousstry, by supporting the varoma
propositions of the liomourable Member for Aber-
deen, for mincing the unnecessary establishments
which were kept up. It was only by general ec0...)-
-mv, an by an e foal system of retrenchment, that
that distress clot! Ibe relieved. The night Hon.
Gentleman the t hancellor of the Exchequer had
brought his defeat upon himself, by too great boaeting
of the state of the finances of the country. It was
his hoi•iithr out the idea of a real Sinking Food of
4,11011,1100/. when n o such thing existed, that ha
brought him into the predicament in which he now
'found himself. It rewiaded him of persons who gave
out that they were exceedingly wealthy and possessed
• of east riches, until at last a parcel of thieves came
and rolalsosi them of all their property..--{Load laugh.
ing).
lin *segues% of LONDONDERRY observed, that
the Honourable Ilesulatr seemed deterosiwed that oo
Iliaister *oath) ever Teeth a tea is town, as far

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remarks could have that effect.

as his very
—(Hear.)
Colonel WOOD saw by the Bill, that nn'y horses
used for the' purposes of husbandry werr to be ex-
cepted from sthe operation of the tax. Now there
were great numbers of very poor persons io Wales
who got their livelihood by carrying ore from the pits
month with horses which were their only property.
He certainly hoped that the exceptions would be ex-
tended to them, as it would be relieving a very honest
and industrious class of persons from a pressure whitfh
was very heavy upon them.
Mr. S. IWOIITLEY said, that he had been prevented
from attending the House upon the recent discussions
'Ton this Bill, but if he had been present he should
have most heartily given his vote in. favour of the
repeal. At the same time be did not think himself
liable to the charge of inconsistency which had been
made acting those who voted for the Estimates and
not for the Tax. The Hon. Member for Aberdeen
made his propositions to the House founded upon his
no n statements, which were contradicted by his Ma-
jesty's Ministers. Now here were two parties whose
statements were opposed to each other ; and he (Mr.
S. Wortley) and his friends had been in the habit of
giving their confidence to Ministers. This he took
to he a very different case to the repeal of the Hus-
bandry Horse Tax, where every man exercised his own
judgment as to its necessity or otherwise.
Lord MILTON did not know whether his Hon.
Friend spoke for himself only in the explication
which he bad just given, or whether he spoke as the'
orean of any party or corporation. That explanatioe
seas certainly fair as applicable to himself, but he
f Gold not see how it applied to other gentlemen around
Li. Hon. Friend, who bad said that the exettions of
tb' Hon. Member for Aberdeen would be productive
of mach good. If those Gentlemen had voted for the
propositions of that Hon. Member in the early part of
the Se.sion, instead of now coming down at the latter
end of it to bestow a few words of commendation upon
his efforts, they would have rendered him the means
r.f doing still more good than they bad now to give
him credit for. He did not at all agree with the Hon.
Member for Taunton, that the credit of the country
would he impaired by the taking off of this tax, he-
calyx he was of opinion that this reduction of half a
mann of revenue would be productive of half a
million of economy in the general expenditure. It
mould operate as a benefit for a short period, until an
equalization of the capital of the country should be
Liought about, and then it would act as a general
dimitiutian of the pressure upon the country. He
Lad, upon previous occasions, mentioned his &tenni-
s.ation to bring forward the subject of repealing an-
other tax, which be should not now be able to do sub-
stantially, and he should therefore decline it altogether
for the Session. The landed interest could not now
complain that they were not represented in that
House. And when any future corruptions iu the
representation should come to be reformed, he trusted
tat Parliament would bear in mind the repeal of the
Husbandry Horse Tax, and the manner in which
I:,at repeal was accomplished. In another Session,
he would put it to the Honourable Members who
voted for this Bill, whether something ought
i.of to be done for the manufacturing interests.—
respect to that manufacture with which he was
I: atieularly connected, he contended that it would be
an act of policy to grant it some relief and protec-
tion. They ought not to abandon a manufacture
s: Lich was so ancient in the country, and which had
been co valued by their ancestors, to be the prey of
c:•ery Chancellor of the Exchequer who might think
proper to impose taxes upon it. He did not think
they were much indebted to Ministers for the abandon-
ment of this tax. The Right Hon. Gentleman thought
the arose of the noose had not been decidedly asser-
tii el by the first division. Now be was at a loss to
by what Parliamentary proceeding the Right
Hon. Gentleman bad since ascertained that sense to be
elteidediy against the tax. Perhaps there had been
some meetings of representations from great men in
power, by means of which it was very easily to con-
ceive that the Right lion. Gentleman was satisfied of
the hopelessness of his cause. This would be the
more apparent if tlley looked at the composition of the
'majority anal the minority upon the late decision.
However, he rejoiced extremely that the tax was to be
repealed, aa•d lie trusted that in the next Session
something would be done to relieve the manufacturing
iuterests.

Mr. 600 CH said, that the Noble Lord seemed to
have applied some of the remarks in the earlier part
of his speech to him, in consequence of what he had
said of the activity and industry of the lion. Member
for Aberdeen. lle still thought that he, or any other
Member who took pains to examine where reductions
might be made, and pointed them out to the House,
war deserving of its thanks. The Noble Lord had,
however, upon three or four occasions, thought proper
to catechise him in that House. But be would tell
the Sohl:• Lord that not all the blocri of the Fitzwil-
Lams put together should make him alter his opinion,
or prevent him from keeping a straight for.tard course
when he hviieved himself to be doing that which was
tight. With respect to the repeal of the tax he be-
lieved that it would he productive of the greatest ad-
vantage to the country, and therefore he had given it
his support.

Mr. LOCKHART thought that the repeal of the
tax would be attended with very considerable benefits
to the farmer. If he had considered it • mere frac -
Carnal reduction, he should nut have thought it worth
acceptance. He was not therefore one who was likely
to come forward at any future time to say that no
boon had been granted to the agricultural interests.
Mr. CRIPPS congratulated the House upon the re-
peal of the tax. He wished to know whether the re-
peal was to take place immediately, or next year. The
Supplies having been granted, he thought it would
certainly be unfair to call for a reduction of the Tax at
present. He supposed that it must take place on
the 6th of April next.

Mr. PEEL must beg leave to dissent from the gr.
merit tone of congratulation which seemed to prevail
uric the repeal of this tax. He did not believe that
tto real permanent and effective interests of the coun-
try could be relieved by any measura tending to ope-
vate against the public credit, and that particularly at
a time when great exertions were making to tester,
the ancient currency of the realm.—(Hear.)--He
usustfiartbat. be should have felt himself ►et}ai in
coadeuney... afar Tidos for the estimates, So kayo sop

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ported the taxes by which they were to have been rea-
lixrd.— (Hear.)
Sir C. BURRBLI, expressed his surprise that
the Right Honourable Gentleman who spoke last
should come down to the !louse to oppose the Bill
upon the present occasion, without having heard
any of the arguments for or against it upon the previ-
ous debate.

Mr. PEEL explained. He had never before beard
that the passing of a measure one stage from a final
decision upon it, which prevented any Member from
expressing his sentiments upon it at any subsequent
stage.—(Loud cries of Hear')—He thought he had de-
livered his sentiments to the House in as temperate
language, and in as few words ae possible, and he was
therefore at a loss to know the cause of the Hon. Baro-
net's reinarks.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GRENFELL was at a loss to know by what
meansthe Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer
meant to fill up the deficiency occasioned by the repeal
of this tax. One method-suggested itself to some per-
sons, which would he one of very great injustice ;
namely, the application of all the redactions to be mad•
in the course of the approaching year. Another was
to reduce the amount from the Sinking Fund. He
wished to ask whether the repeal of the tax would have
the effert of reducing the sum laid out in stock fur the
reduction of the National Debt ?

Sir J. NEWPORT thought the question to be un-
necessary, as the advanced state of the Session would
render any other way of clearing tibc deficiency qtite
impo‘sible.
Mr. ORENFELL was anxious to hear from the
Right Honourable tient:man the nature of his in-
tention►.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that be utsderstoo;l the question of the Hon. Gentleman
to be, whether the amtunt of the tax would be taken
from the stuns employed in the purchase of stock by
the Commissioners fur tl►e Reduction of the National
Debt ? He ►hould answer, certainly not. In the first
place, hecan::e the reduction would be made from the
Consolidated Fund in tl.e gross, and not from the par-
ticular fund to which the Hon. :11ember alluded. And
in the next place, because the deficiency intuid for the
moat part nut be created in the revenue of the present
year. (The Right Hull. Gentleman then made some
observations upon the Bill, which were for the most
part inaudible in the Gallery.) He stated some rea-
sons why it would he inconvenient to commence the re-
peal fron► any but the spring quarter. It should be
dated front the sth of April either in one year or the
other. nolonbtedly if he was to chose, he should
say the sth of April, 182!. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man then alluded to the operation of the Bill with re-
gard to person, who lead compounded for their horse
taxes, and to those small farmers in whose favour a
Bill had been passed during the Session, exempting
them from the duties on husbandry hones. Chases
must of necessity be introduced to provide for these
circumstances.

Mr. CL ItWE said that it had always been his in-
tention to date the repeal from April last. He th.aight
he could answer the difficulties raised by the Right
Hon. the Chancellor of Exchequer, by proposing to
make a new Assessment of the Ag:icultnral Horses, by
which means all persons ovoid be enal,led to make
proper returns. That he thought would he a com-
plete remedy for all the objections of the Right Hon.
Gentleman. He thought that the satisfaction of the
country at the tone and spirit with which the Noble
Marquess had met the question, trothi he ennttider,tbly
damped if the measure were not carried into immediate
operation.
Culotte! WOOD expressed his hope that the caws of
those persons whom he had preciously mentioned :%001,
be considered in the Bill.

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY, in a tone of
voice not generally audible, expie4sed his doubt ef
the practicability •f having an extra Assessment
made.

Mr. CI,RWII4 and Mr.Scar.LETT said a few words.
which were quite inaudible from the noise which pre-
v*d in the !louse.
r. S. WORTLEY wished to all; bin Noble Friend
(Lord Milton) whether he now meant to brine forward
a proposition relative to the Wool"l ax, of which he bad
given notice?
Lord MILTON, as we nnarratood him, exp . d
his intention of oithdrawing the subject for the pre-
sent.

r. S. WORTLEY thought the determination of his
Noble Friend to be judicious.

Mr. CURIVEN said, that as he was anxious, to meet
the feeling evinced by the Noble Marqness, he would
leave the Bill alzogether in the hands of himself and
Colleagni s, with the understanding that one quarter
should he given to them, so that the repeal siionld
commence the sth of July next.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that in the situation in which he then stood, lie hail no
choice but to accept the Hon. Member's offer.
Mr. CURWEN felt that his 'Majesty's Ministers
had acted tit:At handsomely, and he therefore gave up
the Bill to . hem, wishing teat they should have the
credit of passing it through the House.—(A laugh.)
Mr. BROUGHAM reslly felt it necessary to rise fur
the purpose of defen.'ing his Majssty's Ministers
from the kindness of his Hon. Friend the new Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, to whom all eyes were now•
turned as the repealer of the taxes. He for one was
of opinion that Ministers were entitled to no credit for
the repeal of this tax. It had been wrung from them
by the House, and to the House he should feel all his
gratitude to be owing, as one of those who were ex-
tremely anxious that the tax should be done away with.
He neither agreed with those who said that it would
be of no advantage to the farmer, nor with others, who
represented it as being calculated to weaken or impair
the public credit. The public credit would not be af-
fected by the estimates having already been voted, and
the tax afterwards repealed ; because it would be re-
collected that Ministers on a former occasion brought
in a set of estimates, subsequently to which taxes to a
large amount were repealed, the estimates were with•
drawn and a new set introduced much lower than the
first, although they had been declared to be upon the
very lowest scale of reduction.
Mr. COLDURSIE said that the deficiency would oot
be experienced until the next year, as the assessed taxes
were always a year in advance.

We understood the Bill to Le then committed pro
firms, and the report ordered to be received on Wed-
nesday seat.

COCRTS JUSTIeIt IN IRELAND.
Mr. S. RICE mo*d the Order of the Day far the
House resolving itself into a Committee of the whole
House, to take into consideration the 9th Report of
the Commissioners appointed to inquire Imo the Courts
of Justice in Ireland, he now 'earl.

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY thought it
would be advisable to postpone thi, subject until Fri-
day. The papers relative to it had only been printed
and distributed that morning, and Members could not
he properly acqvainted with their contents.
Mr. S. RICE had no objection to comply with the
Nob'e Lord's request, if he could be convinced that the
subject would come on at a time when it could be dis-
cussed with advantage.

After a few words from Sir J. NIWPONT, Mr.
Wirs,:r, Mr. Rice and Captain 01.11140 T, the Order
was pu•rponed to Friday next.

GRANT TO THE DUKE OF CLARFNCE.
The filminess of LONDONDERRY moved the
Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Com-
mittee npnn the Orant to his Royal Ilighness the Duke
of Clarence.

Mr. HUME wished to make a few observations be-
fore the Report was brought up. lie thought that
iu the present state of the country it was necessary that
some limits should be made for grants like that now
under consideration. The allowances of late years to
the Royal Family had been quite inconsistent with the
means of the country. The Ciril List at the present
period, taking all the circumstances connected with it
into consideration, was greater than it ever had been
in the most prosperous or extravagant time. 24,0001.
a year was the sum allowed to the other junior branches
cf the Royal Family out of the Consolidated Fund,
and the Duke of Clarence's should be made up to that
amount, and no more. If he received any allowance
beyond that, it ought to be from the Pension Lists
placed at the diposal of the Crown. He had no ohjec•
tion that his {loyal Highness should be put on an
equal forting ith his Royal brothers; and if his Ma-
jesty should think proper to give a preference, he
might give it out of the Pension List. But for him-
self he was free to sly that he saw no reason whatever
for aoy partiality, With respect to the arrears he
should reserve any thing he had to say on that subject
until the coining up of the Report. The lion. Mem-
ber concluded by snoring a Resolution, which, after
stating the present allowance of the Duke of Clarence,
declared, that 3,51101. would be a competent addition
to that allowance ; but that any further addition ought
at all events to be made out of the English or Irish
Pension List.

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, that no
grant could be made out of the Pension List fur any
sum exceeding 1,2001. The 2,5011/. a year was a
grant to the Duke of Clarence in early life. The House
had originally con,rarted the amount of grants from
the Peusi,m List, in order that it might exercise a
greater power over the Consolidated Fund. He really
thought the lion. Member sronkl himself withdraw the
amendment.

Sir I. COFFIN said he r.•as personally indebted to
his Royal Iligliness--(a laugh)—for every thing he
po-scssed. He was not ashamed to own it. His Royal
Highness had entered very early into the service and
b►rl smelt powder too. Every young. man that had
originally embarked with him was now an Admiral or
had died in the service of his country. There was no
in the service ►cure master of his profession, and
lie tho:►ght the Royal Parsonage ought therefore to be
protected. 'l•he lion. and Galla►►t Member said l►e
should vote for the t rant and the arrears also.
Mr. CI:RIVEN said the motives of the Gallant Mem-
ber tli.l him honour, but it could not be d►sguised that
every Gentleman in the country u•as obliged to give up
a part of his income, and it would not be too much to
ask the Royal Family to share in the burthens of the
country. Ile thought, however, that the whole pro-
reeding was irregular, as it ought to have been pre.
ceded by a Message from the Crown. This was his first
objection, but it' it should be round untenable he should
certainly vote against the Brant.
Mr. IAWKIIART said that time had already made an
additional Grant fur the Duke of Clarenee. Could any
Gentleman deny that 211,1100/. was not an income which,
at the present t►::►r, %%Mail. with economy, meet every
possible expense? . splendid appearance was scarcely
necessary for Royalty, as ►t commanded respect iu itself.
He really thought :NINO/. a-year under these circum-
stances was equal to a not:lit:al 30,000/. a•year arising
from a lauded estate. He could not assent to any addi-
tional grant, and still less to the arrears.
Mr. 3IONCK spoke against the grant, but in atone of
voice which rendered hint almost inaudible. He thought
the annual vote equal to a grant of 100,000/., and lie put
it to the House whether, in the present state of distress,
they would grant so large a sum. Ile foily agreed with
the last weldor in the argument raised against the grant,
by the altered value of money.

Mr. HUME the n said, he should not at present divide
the House. Hs would press the 4Astancr of his motion
in a future stage.

The amendment was risen put and negatived, and the
Report was brought up and read.

Mr. HUME addressed the Chair, and wished to be in-
formed in what way be could take the sense of the
House upon both points—the Urant, and the Arrears.

The SPEAKER said, that any Member might move
an amendment upon the Grant, and the question of the
Arrears might he raised upon a motion for altering the
date from which the Grant was to take effect.
Mr. CURIVEN then moved that the Resolution of the
Committee be read a second time that day three months.
Mr. BEAUMONT, in seconding the amendment, ob-
served, that he owed no debt to the Duke of Clarence,
but he owed a duty to the people of this country, and in
the present state of distress he could not vote for the
addition of one shilling to the public burthi ns.
Mr. BEECHER said a few words against the grant.
Mr. ABERCROMBY said, that he was disposed to
agree to the vote for 6000/. a year, he must rote
against the amendment of the Member for Cumber-
land.

Mr. RICARDO and Lord MuToN shortly spoke to the
same effect.

Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided upon Mr. Curwen's Amendment, when there
appeared—

theilmendment, 18—Against it, I.ll—Majority
126.

On onr re-admission to the Gallery we found Mr.
Mass on his legs speaking in favour of a reduction.
He then moved as an amendment to the grant, that the
vote be reamed to $,500/.

Mr. SLICE objected to the amendment in its pre-
•pnt shape, as it left the Crown a power to make up the
6UOOI. mat of the Pension List.

it. 111KNAL thought his lion. Friend had mis.
()scrim the Amendment. It merely reduced without

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die.tring to the Crown. He loliettd est when the
6000 f. was originally vested, it did not enter into tun
temptation of the House that the Doke of Clarvnse
then enjoyed %SOO!. a year more than either uf his
younger brothers.
Mr. P. MOORE ',aid the vote came before the Home
in a crooked, underhand, and nnparliamentary
It ought to have been brought before the House by. a
Message from the Crown. It was by no means a mat.
ter of course to revive an old grant ofa former Session.
Parliament had already provided for the Royal Family
in a liberal and elegant manner.—(A laugh.)
Mr. CALC RAFT assured his Hon. Friend the Men.
her for Itichester (dr. Bernal) that the grant of
2,500/, a year had not escaped the attention of the
House when they came to the vote of ISIS. On that
occasion it was recollected that the younger brothers of
his Royal Highness had professional arlvarrtages which
he had not. He (Mr. C.) thought himself pledged
to make good the entragement of Parliament, and Le
therefore should vote for the Arrears. He thottiht
there was no neeetNity for a message from the Crown,
as tire vote stool recorded on the Journals of the
House.

Mr. CREEVEY supported the Amendment for the
reduced vote, an.] contended, that there wpre
funds at the divosal of the Crown from which the sum
might he made up to 6,0001.

Mr. DEN MAN submitted, that as three was no mes-
sage from the Crown, the House could make no grant
at all. He had himself consulted the Journals, and h.
found that all that bad passed before had taken place
in a former Parliament, and in a Committer only.—
(Here there was a general appeal to the Chair.)
The SPEAKER thought the Hun. Member was mis.
taken. A Report was made to the House in the rear
1S IS, and a discussion took place upon it, although no
Rill bad been brought in upon it. He ►!id not
feel the weight which had been placed tir-o t!►e di,-
tinction between the two Parliaments. The Itemdl6,4
a•as still a vote to the House of Commons. His tyt-
Mon, however, was supported by higher authoritr.—
In the year 18111, upon a Message from the
Crown respecting. other hranche: of the Royal Familt,
a vote was passed in favour of the Duchess of Cum-
berland, although she was not included in the
Autendutent.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. MAXWELL said, he felt himself under the re
cessite of voting against the A rrearv.
Mr. Hume and 3lr. ELI.( e mutually explained.
Strangers were then orde►ed to withdraw, and the
House divided upon Mr. Hume's Amendment, when
there appeared,
For the Amendment, 30—Against it, 157—Majotity
137.

Upon our readmission to the gallery, we found
Mr. BERNAL on his legs, protesting against the
House granting the arrears moved to be voted to the
Duke of Clarence. He concluded by moving as an
Amendment, that the additional ineotue of 6,011111.
a-year, granted to his Royal Highness the Duke of
Clarence, commence from April N2l, instead of loan
April 181 M.
The Marquess of lA3NDONDERRY began by com-
menting on the eontntencement of the speech which the
Honourable Member had just made. The Illooonrable
Member charged him with coming to Parliament, and
claiming the a for the Duke of Clarence. Ile had,
on the cutitraa v, always said that the rote ought not to
be separ.sted, because it was not a case in which there
was any question of arrears, but simply of as original
grant, isroposeit now to be put in force. The saw in
question ought nut to be viewed as arrears, bat merely
in the light of a retrospect of the grant. The House
had always been in the habit of exercising an equitable
discretion in similar cases of grants, as to tlae date at
which the saute should begin. And he mnst take lean
to say, that Hors. Gentlemen opposite should not re-
%erve their scruples on this head for particular persons
and orrasions. He could refer to a late occasion,
when they certainly were not exhibited, but so far
the contrary, that they were willing to grant an ac-
cumulation of arrears. When her Majesty was to be pro-
vided fur lately, au Honourable Member opposite said,
he would not hear of the Queen's refusal to accept the
provision offered by Parliament. He was Itarsallang,
11. mm r, to leave it in the hands of the Crown, and pro-
osrd the provision should be annually deposited
in the Exchequer, leaving her Majesty to take it up
whenever she chose. Thus twenty years after, she might
have taken the whole accuuntlation. Her Majesty's
;inquiry was dated from the time of the late King's
death, when she became Queen Consort. He called
owns Parliament to do no more than they bad already
dune on many urcasions. When an annuity was granted
to any Officer, or individnal, for any great public ser-
vice, they were always carried to the time when tin
service hail been done. It was then but equitable that
his Royal Highnese should not now suffer the loss Of
that his sefolcuial, from hotmerable motives, bad is•
&Iced him before to refuse. Ilis Royal Highness felt
that lie mold nut reside in this country with that is-
come, and maintain the dignity of his station AS &Prince
of the Blood Royal, without involving himself in debts
beyond his power to liquidate; and it was highly ho-
nourable to his feelings that he chose the only alter-
native presented to him, of living on the Comities!.
where he might he able to spare the addition to lily
income offered by Parliament. Those, however. sde•
supposed that his Royal Highness had saved meal
during the year he spent abroad were mistaken ; tut tis
Consequence of his travelling expellers it was a year of
increased expenditure rather than of retrenchment. The
manner in whirls his Royal Highness had passed his
time abroad was Ruch as could not fail to elevate Aim in
the opinion of the House. Under these circumstances.
he felt persuaded the House would not encourage the
amendment of the Hon. Member.
Lord MILTON said this was strictly a (Pleat." of
arrears, and soasething might have passed since the
Resolution and the bringing in of the Bill to induec
the douse to change its opinion—non eumetat—be-
cause the Dense of Commons, in ISIS, was disposed to
make that grant; that 111 1521 it should be so dis-
posed. He thought there svas something incoutpAs
about this mattor. They ought to hese had a o'er
sage from the Crawls, and nut be referred to the in-
complete transaction of a former Session. Ile admired
however the assertion of a Noble Lord relative to the
manlier of antedating annuities to Officers or persons
who had rendered great public services. But tit
cases were diflitrent, for in such cans the House was
not involved in tt.e dilh:ulty
were, not knowing that the giant bad the sauctioa el
the Crown. which in this care- they
e
ail
the present were different, inasnincti lit that the. g
ne r 3 o 1 iris' Cc
:in: u"crtEoNf thhe7 ilt
Majestyihin case
s°: I huenrt jjl "el iota.
up 15,000/. a-year, which Pa;liasnent was ready 8o
future pecuniary transaction. He stionbl
King s
grant, deserved to be taken into tsesiderat.iku:stoisk::
what had been done with the residue of clic late King
Clarencemoney,
money, as be taw 110 tearlyn if the Dis..t o

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