The Statesman.
London, England, 1824-01-15 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN

CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION.
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very object which the House of Commons has recommend-
ed, the formation of a strong and efficient Administration.,
It is to the principle of disunion and jealousy that se
object; to the supposed balance of coMeudiug interests in
a Cabinet so measured out by preliminary stipulation. The
times imperiously require en Administration united in
principle, and strong in Inmost reliaote. sttchhopell
is presented to us by this project, wliich appears to as
equally new in practice, and objectionabl.: in principle. It
tends, as we think, to establish within the Cabinet itself, a
system of counteraction inconsistent with the posecation
of any uniform and beneficial course of policy. We must,
therefore, decline all participation in a Government con-1
stituted on such principles, satisfied as we are. that a'cer-I
tain loss of character, which must seise from it to ourselves I
could be productive only of disunion and weakness in the
administration of the public interests." This was the 1,
prophecy of Lord Grenville, and it has found in the Irish
Councils a full and perfect vet ification.—(Load applause.)
Mr. L. PLUNKaT replied to Mr. Sheil, in vindication of
the blarquess Wellesley. and read s eeeee 1 ettracts from a
speech delivered by Mr. Shell at the Corn Exchange, and
contrasted his then sentiments with his present ones, and
asked him after that, how could he talk of political incon-
sistency ?
Mr. KILL? stated that the 'English Oovernment quite
mistook the objects of the Association ; it was formed for
the purpose of petitioning far the redress of national
grievances, and was of the utmost conseque.ice to the
country.
Mr. Dwlteß said, lie would not again trepass on the
Meeting, but fur the purpose of correcting the 'raiment of
Mr. Kelly, 1. that the Association was formed for the dis-
cussion of national grievances." Such was not the fact. te
was formed for the purpose of seeking ftr Catholic Eman-
cipation ; hut he was sorry to say, the Association in his
opinion, had too often digressed from the object of their
appointment, and indulged in the discussion of subjects not
coming within their proper sphere. This he considered
highly injurious to the cause. He should make no obsr r-
vations on Mr. Shell's flowery speech, delivered in the Corn
Exchange; but considered the remarks which had been
made upon the Administration quite unwarrent-
able, particularly with respect to the Marquess
Wellesley and Mr. Plunkett, holi of whom he co. ceived
to be most anxious to prom( to the welfare of their conn•
try. The Marquess Wellesley had made his hest efforts to
abolish party feuds and emblems, and would, in all Proba-
bility, have succeeded, were it not fur an ut.lucky concur-
rence of circumstances, over which he had no contruirl, and
which, in some tuea-ure, frytrated his patriotic intentions.
Mr. Dw)er concluded by urging the ewe, ssity of temp( r
and moderation in the discussion of their disabilities.
Mr. VaNigt, LYNCH coincided in f cling with the last
speaker, and hopld they wuuld confine themselves to the
objects for which they were appointed.
Mr. D. Lvstcn being then called to the Cs.air, thanks
were voted to Mr. Brown, and the Meeting adjourned.

(TRODI TRU DUBLIN MOANING POST OF SIONDAT.)
On Saturday evening. st haltpast seven o'clock, a su
ciest number of Members not being assembled, Mr. R.
O'Gorman (acting as Pro• Secretary,) retired ; but the
Members then in attendance being anxious to have the
gyration disposed of " as to changing the bour of meeting
to half past three in the day, as before," resolved to wait
some time longer, and at eight o'clock several members of
the Association baying arrived, Anthony Brown, Esq. was
called to the Chair.
In the absence of Mr. O'Gorman, Mr. Kirwan was re•
quested to act ss Secretary for the evening.
Mr. Conway then addressed the Meeting, and said, that
without further preface he would move the Resolution
changing the hour of meeting to half past seven in the
evening, be rescinded." The eligibility of their adopting
his motion was too obvious to require any comment. The
motion was seconded by Mr. Kelly.
Mr. Shell said he did not coincide io the Propriety of
Mr. Conway's motion, as be thought it rather premature,
sufficient time not having elapsed since the change of
bone to enable the Meeting to judge whether the evening
of the day were the better time. As for the comment of the
Press upon nightly meeting', be should utterly disregard
them; the whole question for the consideration of the
Meeting was, whether they would have a better attendance
of the Members in the evening than in the day.
Mr. DIFFIK said, be was decidedly in favour of Mr.
Conway's motion. lie thought the change of hour to the
evening mostinjadicious, and bad he been present at the
Meeting at which it was proposed. he should have opposed
it. Geeerally speaking, in Iceland, the evening was not the
best period for 'aim and temperate discussion. As to Mr.
Shell's objection, that sufficient time bad not elapsed to
enable the Meeting to form a judgment as to the change
of hour, he answered that the public impression was de
tidedly adverse to nightly meetings; and as to s• caring
abetter attendance of member", the experience of this and
last evening's meeting proved that the object was not an.
swered. It was right to apprise Mr. Chief aat but for the
very lendable desire Mr. Conway had of having tree
question disposed of, and he might add, but for the ex-
pectation of Mr. Shift's presence. there would have been
no Meeting that emits', as at half past seven there were
only six members of the Association present, and Mr
Shiel himself did not arrive till eight o'clock. Ile hoped,
therefore, the bone would be changed as proposed by blr.
Conway:
Mr. KIBIFiN saw CO necessity for changinF the hour; be
thought it was most inconsistent to be adopting resolutions
one evening and rescinding them the rest. As to mem•
hers being in s state of mental illusion io the cycling'. as
alluded to by the last speaker. he saw no evidence of it;
every member present seemed to him to be calm and col-
lected. He should vote against changing the hour.
Mr. Coasts:ace ISl'Lovontto gait that he was quite in
favour of Mr. Conway's motion ; if they had fallen into
error is changing the hour, they ought not to persist in it;
there was nothing inconsistent in rescinding a resolution
too hastily adopted. The question being then put from CHARGE 010 • TRIASONABLI CONIPIRACT.
the Chair, It was carried in the affirmative, and the time A considerable portion of some of the Monday Paris
of to half past three in papers is ogeopied with statements of the f. cts of an affair
the day. meeting accordingly changed which oas to come on before the Paris Courts of As-is ~
Mr. Addis, (an English Roman Catholic) hoped that involving an alleged plot against the state. The indict.
be should he allowed to make a few observations. He had ment is drawn up s'ain't seven intl. viduals, Wilo,o names
arrived in Dublin within the last twenty-four hours. and are as fulloo s :—Jean Samuel Ssuquaire Soalighe, Gas.
hastened at once to the Association, in order to protest pard Leveret, Charles Coudert, Jaccotes Mat Teti, Theo.
against proceedings which he considered greatly prejorti- phille Balland, Franco se Chauret, and Caro ins Julie
cial to the Catholic cause. That Assembly affected to Itioneeau Chauvet, the wife of the last. Laeovst, Corder',
represent the people of Ireland. The Roman Catholics and Mathieu are ci.devant subaltern utfirers ; 'Salient is a
did not sympathise with the Association. The most student of law; and Chauvet was a dyer at San our. The
virulent invectives had been pronounced against Lord first, Saticitiaire Souligne, who ouchscribed as the soil
Wellesley's Administration. The course pursued by the of the plot, had been tried similar charge in
leading Members of the Association, was calculated to 1821, and acquitted. His trial is said only to have ex
inflame, rather than to allay passion. lie was a devoted asperated his hatred to the Goverame it, and
friend to Catholic Emaccipation, and would be ready, if be his acquittal to have furnished him with the or partunity
doold promote the cause by the sacrifice, to lose his band, of contriving new plots for its overthrow. Aecording,
•r even his head. en the approach of the Spaniels wry, and wit to the Perna h
Mr. Sem said that the gentleman deserved great praise I armies were preparing to pass t. e Pyreo es, S'ou'igue is
for the professed martyrdom. He bad made an oblation charged with having, "in correspromence with the re.
of his head, and of the value of the sacrifice he had fur volutionary Spaniard?. the Radicals of England. and the
nished abundant evidence. He was only twenty four hours French Refugees at London." arranged Ita consiirsity for
in Dublin. Such extensive opportunities of observation, overthrowing the Government of is caul try. 'I be ia-
assis'eti by snob high faculties, enabled him, no doubt, , dictmeot then proceeds to connect the names of Mr. Bow,
lo form a just estimate of the character and purposes of ! ring, and of the Portuguese • Ambassador at Paris, with'
the Association. He was the unconscious echo of the most ! the intrigues of Souligne. At the moment of his rush irking
inveterate enemies of the national cause. By whom was fur Lisbon, this Ambassador, it is said, was surpr;.-4 in
the Association denounced? By the leagued opponents of possession of ar icles written by the hand of S tri it •
the Roman Catholic claims. By whom is the Association Sonligne. These writings, seized at Havre, paint Loci
sustained? By the great body of the people of Ireland. I wither as incessantly occupied with iulistansio., subset ip. '
The Gentleman has said that the Association did not retire. tions, and even plans of campaigns. Nothing of this
sent the country. It was true that they clawed no dele' I kind, however, is given in the indictment, wai Is, afmr
gated authority. They were assembled upon a perfectly) declaring that it would be tedious to quite all the
distinct principle from the former Beard, and did not claim I calumnies and infamous abuse heaped on the &ub ins in
to be appointed representatives of the people. But at the these papers, satisfies itself with the quotation of eon,e un
same time they were supported by the sympathies of six ' important passages for the purpose rod, eotly of glint
millions of their fellowcreatures. The couve which they I prominence to the name of Mr. Bowrin e. sr c are atter
bad pursued was applauded by the country. In that wards treated to some of the contents ot his corresponeence
Assembly England might behold a faithful and undistorted I with Chauvet (who had been implicated in the affair of
image of the national mind. It was the mirror of the IBe on account of the expedition of the conspirators
pbblic feeling. Complaints had been made that language into bpoin, and of attempts made to distriuuteoacenuiary
of too ardent a character had been employed. Were we I proclamations in France. After some further statements
to ask for liberty as beggars ask for alms? Were we to respecting. the correspondence sad intrigues of the ac•
take care that a tone should not be raised beyond a I cooed, the in dictment concludes by declaring that Suuligne
timorous and supplicating whisper, and strive to impart an is accused of carrying arms against his country, and the
artificial softness to the natural accent of complaint ? Were' rest as being his accomplices.
we to heal oar wounds by licking them ? Once, indeed, None of the accused are apprehended, except Madame
when we were chain-d to the earth by the unrelaxed severity Chauvet. They will, of course, be condemned, par con.
of the Penal Code, it became us to kneel down—it was runtore.
then even an indulgence to be allowed to supplicate—it PUNCH Fora os, Paris, Jan. 12.—Five per Cents. opened
was even by an effort that Ireland heaved herself from the at 93f. 6(k.: domed, 94f. :soc. Bank Stock, 1,632 f. 50e.
ground into the posture of entreaty. But now that her Neapolitan 5 per Cents, SO. Beate d'Espogne, 241. 'a x•
bondage bad been partly, at least, removed, she could ' change ou Londou, one month, 25f. 45c. ; three ditto,
stand in a nobler attitude. If she crouched at the feet of ' 2.er. 35c.
her master, she would be spurned as she deserve t. 'l'hei 'f he following electioneering manoeuvre of the French
English are a high minded people ; they will justly despise Government is mentioned in private letters :
us. if we implore redress Wall mendicant servility. la A Deputy of the Liberal Party in the Chamber, about
demanding the rights of freemen, we are not to employ the ten months back, sent, in a letter to one of his friends, a
language of slaves. Mr. Shtil proposed to point transcript of a political squib or epigram, which was in
out the benefits of the Association, which kept circulation at Paris. It did not escape the curiosity and
the Catholic Question perpetually present to I penetra'ion of the Gentlemen of the Post Office. No
the national mind, and vindicated the opinions which Lad
. 1 proceeding, however, was instituted, and the matter
been uttered is the discussions which had excited the sto was supposed to have been passed over as undeserv-
pandiary indignation of the literary hirelings .of the Ad• ing of notice. But now. ti e eve of the election,
ministration. No personal blame had been imputed to the when the deputy was about to commence a canvas of his
Members of the Irish Government in their individual capa• constituents, the affair of delinquent letter has bees
city ; but we were well justified in asking whether, collec• revived, and the Deputy has received notice of trial for hay
tively, they had conferred, or were likely to confer a benefit deg distributed a seditious libel. A sins far msomutre has
upon the country. The Catholic Question had been cast been employed against the four Deputies of the Upper
into utter abeyance. It had been sacrificed to their power Rhine—MM. La Fayette, (sun of the General). D'Augeo•
less unanimity. In order that they might not quarrel soy, Koechlin, and Bignou, all Liberals. These Gentlemen
among themselves, they bad agreed to suppress all mention thought proper to address a letter to their constituents on
of the subject, before which all others vanished into the expulsion of M. Manuel. This letter passed wholly
insignificance. This bad been confessed by a most re- unnoticed up to the present time, when proceedings have
spactable Member of the Irish Government, Mr. Joy, been instituted agaiast the Deputies who conjointly signed
who in his speech against the Orange Rioters, had it, as fur a libel. The proceedings cannot of course render
stated in praise of Lord Wellesley. that since be had been the persous against whom they are directed incompetent to
in office, the Catholic Question bad never been alluded to be returned as Deputies ; but they must evidently be mbar'
by his Excellency. The Noble Marquess had never claimed ra,sed by a prosecution at such a moment, which is so much
the orthodox ears if the Solicitor General, by the most gained by their opponents.
remote reference to the great question by which the coun•
try was distracted. Whit a picture of the Irish Councils
It was worse than deplorable. He should not indulge any
further comments ot his own upon the divisions of the
Irish Government, hut appeal to an authority which the
opponents of the Association would scarcely be disposed
to question. It ass that of no less a person than Lora
4 ireoville. In 1812, after the death of Mr. Perceval, it
had heart proposed to biseLordship to compound a Cabinet,
and what was Lord Orenville's answer? It was printed
Ptlicially, and contained the -following words :—" lo this
proposal we cutout secede, %Mout the 'sacrifice of the

FOREIUN IN I'ELLitIENCE.

BAYONN E INT ELLIUENCB.
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flavoterce, Jan. 6.--We have received news from
Madrid of the Ist of January with the Decrees issued by
his Majesty for the organization of the Royal Ouard, and
another reirive to South America, which orders every
thing in that great country to be replaced in the situation
it was previous to the 7,11 M4reb, 1820. We should
think that in whatever situation the Smith American
Colonies may be, tt can s:aacrly be expected tbat much

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regard will be paid by thews to this decree, or that it wit,
dispose them to return under the doMinion of Spain; 1. r.
in fact, this decree says to them, " Root op the vines an
olives which you have planted—destiov the remnufactor;e,
which you have established, in spite of the taws and
ordinances which forbid you to be cultivators or inatiotsr-
tuiers—aud, in order to protect the commerce and tit,
miserable manufactures of the Peninsula, voo shall con
tinue to receive, as in times past, a small pat of what i
necessary to supply your most urgent trams. Ti.. se
things shall be procured from fonrign co 1111 l lira,
brought in vessels which shall first come to (,netts to ray
the duties: you shall give in exchange your productions.
and you will he the happiest people in the world, for von
will have the happiness of treading that fertile soil, toil ut
precious mines, which belonged to your ancestors— a
soil which is not worked for the account of your Sore•
reigns, but for the sole advantage of Europe, excepting
Spain." •
A disorder; which seems to he catching, has snail- nly
attacked the Prelates, who are in Madrid. As soon as Or,
order to repair to their respective dioceses was iutimated
to them, they all Fovea to he governed by numerous
certificates, signed by their physicians, that they are ill,
and that it is impossible . for them to undertake the
joutney. The Grand Inquisitor, .Bishop of Tatrassone,
is the most seriously ill—the• Inquisition alone can cure
him, and it is said he entettaiiis eonsiderahle hopes.—
The Royalists are much i/issatisti.-d, because tare French
are embarking the ',finery at Oaditand Coranna.
The discharges of persons (ruin all• the departments of
the Ministry and the Administration ••eoniinue, mad;
especially such as manifested liberal opinions.
Foitr Swiss soldiers have seen assassitiated at Chataarlin,
by some Spanish soldiers.
The return of troops from Spain is drawing to a close-
The 12th and 29th regiments of the line arrived yester-
day, and have been reviewed by Luverdo ; the
Ist and Mit will arrive to .!iy.