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LONDON, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1822.

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illmow whether the opinion had been obtained, and whet '
fteessares had been taken to recover the balance &re
frees Mr: H. to the Public.
'l, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER aeswered
!oodles the table in a very low tone of voiee, and we could '
Ilioar no more of his mower than an assurance that Go.
1 minima bad taken every mesas in their power to re-
cover the mosey.
The Report was then read a first and second time.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, it was ordered that the house shoald to-morrow
resolve itself into a Committee of Ways and Yea.,.
Mr. BENNET moved for an account of the moneys
doe from Mr. Theodore Hook to his Majesty's Treasury,
and of the measures taken to recover the same, with the
peones and descriptions of hie sureties.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL wished to ask a question of
,the Noble Marquess opposite. It was known that the
!Spanish Government, liy•a wisereeensoasy, lied resolved
ft hail) off the custom of pernesieestly seedier Amber
emigre to foreign Courts. Is cos of ibis mem.
teflon, he apprehended our own Ambassador at the
Court of Madrid might properly be withdrawn; bat he
understood that the gentleman who was there at pre-
I sent had been made Secretary of Embassy from being
, Secretary of Legation.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said there would
be
no
savingwoa toytZai tthcdrairiase b:liatttledetostieaa peanstill:.l"Tite
arrangement was that he merely retained his rank.
STATE OF THE COUNTRY. •
Lord ALTHORPE rose to bring forward his pro-
mised motion on the State of the Country. He felt the
necessity of bringing forwikid a specific motion on this
important *abject, because the Noble Margaret, upon
the former discussions, had declared that no member
could be pledged livtbe rink of them to rapport or to
ppose may particsiesmosere.- He (Lord A.) was them-
fore desirous to call upon 'eery goalless, to espies
hie sentiments upon the preeint distressed dam of As
country, and upon the proposals which bad been Mole,
by Ministers for the relief of that distress. If Ms Aloft
were merely to distuss the plea of the Noble Marquess,
his address to the house would be short osier Eh I bet;
as be 'rinsed to state his *we views, be famed be wield
he under the necessity of going soinewheb•ame de-
tail, though he assured the house he woad be at
brief as possible.—(bear, bear, beer.)-4 desk*
bed been expressed as to the effect of tasetßoe ; nod
Wee sot wanting some who bad alleged tfiet bur,
reed no part of thecaew of the pretest distress.
Illedi die presses Idelon he had sever Meets it to be
besamary to argertbst umatiou sleeted the prise of
predate.--01bealhe•41irlositiral peoduee was at Otis
gamest ass. Itiglspr pews ibis it was se 1792, and he
=red the prim of every elm was rises. Os a ;
'death* Noble smelted estimated tandem
pipes the agricsitarists at rely otmlifth of their natio—
Row the Noble Nemeses lad arrived at this eitsehmios,
Or has what date, •Iss was set able Os anemia; but it '
was sot direct gaieties aloes whisk Framed u the
egticaltarist. It was almost impamible is the 11
tent to which he woe reached y Wine
elm
must isceimMllM_lorlee o,llelblur

vessels the use of the &olio
Deities* outbid of the'
beforth the inteent of t,
10i and for the present.
lutfate,.being *tided to tit
,navy. Irma show • total

tabliebweat of 5401,1
4List. be bad wished to
Oilf6oll with retard to
farmer iastaaces, bat,
lie foetid, 'tai so
obliged tp 4•lssat
awes. Tim whale
OW 211 NAM The estallisbniat,
tray 14741A0L eliewiag sa
weeld.be thea that the vrf-
trowels the Civil sad Millar
pear 1712. was 4,169,9591. •
Ilse amount that Ito bad ;
with wder attrodea '

oft oft wilistsTriniisittirriOnie-ouly iteiciOiali
pesters biotite esmabout kluessurimsistifed k
Bit by se mute me his Wages idled .141 '
Direr Dirks by se mush, must •he he,
. lw onsaohildornag• &deists
...
eti2st spissowsewhit differing, for, as /wages it
• ilag labotteereafforded him aortae usages, a.,
''oftliempe *agile *mid, in the' Best Wilmer, ,
renekeraly his luxuries. But with rearms to owes well i
astimpemher, be took it to backer thee tesatioe alerted,
the prise of that which was produced by their laboer.—
(Hee. hear.)—He feared that he might sot be able to
*area himself so &slimily as be wished—(Cheers)—
for he knew there were many Members in the House pow
seising a deeper knowledge le the science of political
scosomy than be did. Assuming, however,lhat be had
succeeded in showing that taxation was one cameo( the
penult distrait, he would submit that the proper ewes,
to lasses it was to diminish kudos. •He soaceived it ,
would be wrong to eadeavoer to raise the price of pre- i
dice; and that the wiser plan would be to make great
retrenchments, and thus enable produce to he relied at a,
smaller expense.—(Hear, hear.)—They were aid that,
a surplus of 5,000.0001. would arise in fitters over the
expenditure of the country. His view of the ease was,
that taxes to that amount ought to betaken off.—(Hear.)
He would not viand out for a redaction of the supplies
of the State to the amoust barely necessary for the pub-
lic *orrice; but he believed be could show that. without
producing any each effect. Ave Wiliam might be saved
in the expenses of the country. His object was to slim
that the expenses ought and might be reduced to the
steadied 0f.17951. It might be said that it was unfair to
select that year for the enterion el establishanset,
because Mr. Pia vu jus then in ibh.ssrlie of .thing
the reduction which thectremastaeces of Ste times called
for. The plain answer to this argument sr% that the
circumstances of the times at present droll that the
same severe system of reps Sala
jets executioe. Bat die IMO '

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Min tMdsnt Wife open the necessity of selopeleg
ampimefiters of Frees e& ease* m she
s
of that of 1792. He sheer al ce leie as alloweal
'Lthsliseeeseary increase of expenditure which arose
daring the interral. lie would first consider the mili-
tary establishment of both periods.—
Am Estimates of 1799 - - - 19.3911.940
To Wyeise world add the ineemse of pay in the
same amber of men also. 1799 - - • 7114.1190
The Half-Fay 9.909.699
Total
Se that, retaisieg the establishment of 1792, aid
adding to the expellee of that establishment the
`moue% of the 'scream of pay, and also the samet
of the half-pay. the whole expense would he so more
thee 9,415,736/. Now let the Neese book at the
Freese% amoebae of the expense of the Army. The
Army Estimates for this year astoooted to 7,774.0004
eitewbti a Awe %erase over the eetabliebuteot of
1199, with as &Bowan*. for the difference of pa and
that of half-pay of 2,359,3141. Ile felt himself in-
competent to the task of showing is detail hew a re-
daction of expenditure might take place. Bet if
Sli-
aieters were seriously disposed to give relief to the
mosairy, they ought to decrease the military establish-
ment ; sod. if they showed no dispneidat of dole/
that. ender preemie eiremestaeces, perhaps they might
be forced to it, is case they wet* deprived of the sur-
plus of lee eilllioes. le the Colaidal he
was ears greet redactioa might be mole. y should
not the Weida be alga le *airport their owes atm
lotislomoste p If the *spell/ of moll of eke MAMA.
/otwole erettlihistaltied sot of the tamest epithets it pm-
Jaded. s greet weighs Week/ he Settee Ai
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aeriamemmerciracli al
viewv i"t;Veas grg h tilny"ceold u
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the empire; but it emild never be said they added to nue
strength, seeks that they pressed so heavily apes its re-
sources. He would new proceed to collider the Navy
&similes according to the same mode if troopplavlsion
is he bad eakulated those of the Anivg.-1111, irivy
Eseheates for 1792, 1,985.4821.
141,8231.; Half-pay, 1,020,0001.; ?elk 181,9.
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The Navy Estimates for
enemy 2,148,6951. Here
tObleh,64sage redaction a'
of tlenla might, for
The three prit,
• th, and Plymentb,
fur all dm purposes of the p
-strangest. The desk-yawl
meg throws-away.
Istabliesta dank std,
Ist 16.14141ba5d of the .4; it Was
bealinrly the deck-yard r
ee•Webyolkeense of the
of Chatham harbour, bat

easiotomosee of its eagatradiutiL
paid thereowald be so Amor,
mend of live willies*, the
to mustier was this, wbedloras,
sift to load out five aillietaii at
aK look awl in die maser detailed by ; ai-
goeseoe leave it io deo pockets of He
al se wads of the taxes? The origin! Hind
was to realm the debt of the comutty t butilth- 11 of
tbe preeset mesa may to be to Moo lb* plaws • of
Heal basement as oupeasplisb diet it w.lif be
food losioatsal. Ho *Mr* by a of the
am oast doily wasedwoodi dee last
yaw, that she Comoiadwasie siould•iliesseauis Seedier
elassio His limpid AGO doellPiee SNOW OW*

ie`ie'i.iß 1176
matully.'• laid's. It would
qv:wipe that we birrowea•
81WW.F.Sinkilie iFiinfl entirely,
tot-the,effirct of debar thv yeistotp:em _
onseramiiity ware raised at the very timut.777lisiltion
iflictlefile Marquess was to redo* toNetl/Okind
telk Ca reducing until, le about a trlggs- rs,
hg '1,414 accomplish a redaction of. *lst ive..mil-
lieu. question then was, mid the Hessatkiek
they we.. deist better for the country, by seeking a
eadheedu to that amount at once, tot wait fur the in-
ured of se Many years? Let them theolleet file
state of the whole country at this moment. Buil.
could hardly believe, from former experienee,.that the
simples spoken of would be kept so sacred as was sap-
posed. It was not yet determined that the 4 sad 5
per Cents. should be reduced; the tramtactioe would
take some time before it was completed. The gui-
don then was this, whether or net the relief weal*
be immediate? It was not necessary token reveries
to artificial means of raising the Foods: the improre-
meat and prosperity of the country would always be
sufficient to raise the confides's of the yob& ; sod it
was set to be doubted that the fire silliess alluded to
would do infinitely more good when left M the dispo-
sal of the people, amongst themselves, the. vthea ap-
plied to the punitive of stock. The Metthaltog, he
hoped, woold atteod I. the inspect of Ma. lioeities.
He had no hesitation in declaring it to be his opinion,
that the whole five ailiiow ought to be reduced; but,
fir the purpose of practical benefit to the reastry, he
would cease his motion tithe' simple Wee, whether
es Of the Hues was satisfied with the plan of the
llialifirilarpose. So far as be could pause from
what had passed im the House, he believed that'. was
set the louder of Miele:ems to &Sew op iseasedi•
misty she exposities of the plea by up nesoure which
would call outs the Home to dulls tthoo the cats-
lien; and, if they bad, .Iwhoped they *sold act take
advantage of any objection of that nausea, as be would
consider that Mode of meeting the joule, es yield-
lag the poise. The simple quades than fee the
Home to decide was, whether or set they were satisfied

with tite plea of the biebie Lord.-41dosr.)n*The
Noble Viscoutst coacladoi by moving I
Itesolatios.—" That it is the opialoa=Mitarst
that the fel/Mika 00 the moue of smiralloapropoord
by his Majesty's Miaiston, was ososallmidat Sosaillify
the Omits of the case. or the ozpottatimidal Ms
Pe•Ple."
Mr. P. ROBINSOII said he was wilik9~l'
lodge that the Noble Lord had opeeedWiri-
&doe of this wry important aosothsa la tbo fakootaad
most caadid mason. He could mare the Noble Lord
of
that so far was it from the inteotioa of istoesto meet
the issue which the Noble Lord press to tb. House, ..
by any iodic's:means sad evasive oh' doss. that it was
gratifying them mach to have the opportaaity given
for the House to d..cida epos it. He therefore thanked
i the Noble Lord for originating' mottos by which the
,direct qacstiou would be triad. Is looldog at dm lass-
don before Mee ea one which involved s mama he-
' meta two vary dilfervat measarea, it was matatial far '
'the bone mite low sight of the oircsomartow make
which they wise ambled so Amos it. Mo. "modem
\maws this was sot whether dam should be rider-
• or so vadallitio, bat whether it was whirr la make
vdaction as once 0 the alsosint aat
id was t 6 be turoad idto a amst p
nisinteadhes of the itiwtrity sdf.tht "

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or this year: 5.500,100 t t bi•
Here &gala was a
.departdiear in
en might Weide. The Waiter
for institute, be decreased' ion-
principal ones, that
Issi'ori4vo,
'myth. wuald trite' ... nt
r the pablir setliters, If ilrl•Perly
-yarr et flbeeliditie was 'ea elicit
The sittratlia dal ipjf Mit:-
beesesiff evire'attetailii Nf t
is sea:HAW iiiiiifittithilai
..,1,1-
deckiand alight' 11•4:bia:
s difieslty of Waging
,ist i
bat since the *steed / .
44644
dock-yard was sapitattrtso( '
the Ordnasee. liti • c `
I that establishostmt for,
tat, with the same
• theism-es** is ,ille. di •
gal ;ursine for-dlen
1791. In es 'IA ii
) be able to mats dlivilliiit dm.
to that, as he lballik,„,11••
; on examinisi tisi,,ttmmats.
lo complicated, that..,,isimstst
himself with •• postai aims-
Civil expeaditaeo ',for . TM,
in: estairlisinotat fa e,
leg as tammiiieesfl ." It
Ism the vdsaistamossat of* ' in-
Militaerissalliliews
1591. H. dadolltiketinelauttatio to
ad is view erode Imo lonamolawat
• tke it of th•liks.,4ll.:
apanueints. If ties
to danger is a. rithoftlant
a, the oily gasselootat *I
abeam. anal is li emit E
millions at dm* legereserbY4ey
laser Maid *fie Nails Par-
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