The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-01 00:00:00

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from one of peisciple
form of Government
the greatest difficulty
bounds the influence of
'riend had very properly
been passed at various
Crown, and be could
Acts kin, more venera-
The early Acts had
power of the Crown,
to pass others since.
obvious than In the
there were no less than
House—a number so ptepos-
- duties of the Govern-
iistered, or the liberties of
independence •f Parliament pre-
• so constituted. Under
lid be no doubt that
, were very necessary.
hen there were fewer
'Hear, hear.) There-
was, whether the effect
require a Bill brought
t• Gentleman had ad-
questions the votes had
sly of placemen. But
the votes of that Sea-
Ities on this and that
a certain number of
fould go to the exclusion
contrary to his lion.
that the system of car-
anent in that House, in
:h animadverted upon ;
, one that countenanced
thought the Government
carried on according to a
, and be swayed by the
sly, if hey were bound
anourable ties than mere
not shrink from confess-
•iments on this subject,
with which they would
le thought an adminis•
mons not so bound to•
ol of office, would be too
s an Administration of
and said, that that House
• nor the good opinion
He also stated, that he
duty to oppose the pre.
cat he had done his duty
lohinson) gave him full
assertion, he knew him too
from other motives ; but
ie would give him credit
._-(Dear, hear.) Because
qmsed to the feeling of the
• be stigmatised as having
No Government could go
every variation of pub-
not resolution to look at
it bad to deal with, alto.
popular feeling of the mo-1
with every passing winl.-1
►f the Crown over Parlia;
Influence of public opinion
resent.—(finny.) lie was
is opinion in tills country
had not power to resist
'hat would be said if the
but he hoped lion. Mew-
to assent to it on that ac-
would only tend to destroy
luence of the Crown in a
)n, which the philosophers
age had never found it
le in any form of Govern-

that it war impossible for
Mate of that House and not
Crown was now greater
There was no profession
was not felt in some degree.
sanctioned by parliament
by which was to be found in
with the opinions of the
,ngest objection to the influ.
House. If a member were
Lcular accusation, he made his
• did nut placemen act on the
From the 3.1 report of the
•ouhl be seen that a sum of
\ted in pensions and %operas.
and Ireland, exclusirele of
‘I, and official pension 4. This
to 496,277:. Did not
luence for the Crown without
in parliament? Ile entreated
any regard for popular feel
moderate, wholesome, and constits.
.form which his Hon. Friend's'
tcti, and the numbers were—
at, 53—Against it, 76--Majo-

WRY. Sir J.tmss blarnixTosti,
.vent other Members were abut
vg unexpectedly taken place.
to the gallery we found
!Ring leave to bring in a bill
concerning navy old stores and im-

ARK ELECTIONS.
to move for leave to bring in a
taking of the Poll at contested
County of York. The Noble Lord
though be had been induced to bring in
moment, it was not in consm
arrangement made with respect to the
• the Orampound Disfranchisement
bad lung been turned to the sub-
save brought the measure forward,
to which be alluded had never
was to open booths for receiving
parts of the county, so that four
superiatendance of officers appointed
might proceed at the same time. He
the principal regulations which
the consideration of the House.
gives to the officers appointed under
other matters of detail, and finished
to king is the Bill
LONDUNDIVItitY did not rise to

•

likctions, authorising, as it did, Irrying
the greater part of the polling remotp from the per-
sonal observation of the Sheriff, rimier whose snperin-
tendanre the elections were to take place. At prevent g
,
though in one part of the kingdom differtnt bnoth
were erected for the convenience of polling, one both
was reserved for the Sheriff, to whom all disputed votes
were referred.
After a few words from Lord Hotbam, Mr. S. Wort-
ley, and Mr. Beaumont, leave was given to bring in
the 13111.

et.ovitit SEED.
Colonel DAVIES brongbt up the Report from the
Committee appointed to iuquire into the alleged adul-
teration of Clover Seel, which declared it to be the
opinion of the Committee that the practice of adul-
terating clover seed existed to a very considerable ex-
tent in this country.
Lord MILTON brought in the Bill for facilitating
the taking of the poll in cases of contested Election
in the county of York.—ltead a first, and ordered to
be read a second time on Monday.
FORGERY PUNISHMENT BILL.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH wished to move that the Re-
port of the Forgery Punishment Mitigation Bill should
be taken into consideration, as be was anxious that
the measure 'book' be disposed of beforethe advanced
period of the Session could be considered as forming
an objection to the passing of the Bill.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY would be
happy to give way to the lion. and Learned Gentleman;
but from the superior importance of the business
which stood for to-morrow, he hoped the Hon. Gent.
would not press this subject at the present moment.
He must he aware of the notice which had been given
by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the Budget
would he brought forward under uovel circumstances
if his Right Hun. Friend were to enter on his general
statement of the Ways and Means of the Country
when the Supplies hail been voted in the Committee.
but not reported to the House. Ile (the Marquess
Londonderry) shonld have no objection to the Itep,wt
being agreed to now, and the debate taken on the
third reading of the Bill, if the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman would consent to such an arrancement. As
the Chancellor of the Exchequer must open his Budget
to-morrow, and coull not do it consistent with the or-
dinary practice of the House till the Report of the
Supplies hail been agreed to, lie trusted the Hon. Gent.
would be willing to take the course that he had sug-

nested.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH would be willing to give
way so the debate could be taken on the third reading,
under such circumstances that the Bill could be fully
discussed, hut being in possession of the House, and
many Gentlemen being present who were desirous of
assisting at the discussion, lie could only consent to
the postponement on such an understanding. Ile
wished to state to the House the amendments he pro-
posed to move.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, if the
lion. and Learned Gentleman was about to open his
amendments now, he must object to it. and a question
might then arise whether Iris Order of the Day ought
first to be taken by the house. The amendments niov •ii,
a debate would arise which could lead to no practical re-
sult, and be therefore should feel it to be his duty to
take the sense of the House against such a proceeding.
If the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had any argu-
ments to offer why his Order of the Day slionlil be
taken first, this might be the most convenient moment
for submitting them to the House.
Mr. ELLIS wished to know if the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman proposed taking the debate on the third
reading of the Rill.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH wished, if the House agreed
to the Report pro forms now, to move several new
clauses pro forma. Ile then svished to have the Bill
reprinted, as amended, and proposed to take the de-
bate on the third reading, which he intended to fix
for Monday.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, it could
be fixed for Monday, and subsequently postponed if
that should appear necessary.
Sir J. MACKIN I*OSII stated his first Amendment
to be merely verbal ; his next went to alter the pream-
ble of the Bill ; the other Amendments which he had
to introduce related either to exceptions or exclusion
from the exceptions. Ile meant to propose that the
forging of country bank notes, as suggested by an
Honourable Member opposite. should be added
to the exceptions, sad left open to capital
punishment. lie meant to exclude the forge-',
ries on the private stock of the Bank from the excep-
tions, distinguishing that from their public stock, and
placing it en the same footing with all other private
property in the country. Ile proposed to do away
the punishment of transportation in cases of forgery
altogether, and to distinguish the crime of forgery from
others, by making the punishment for the first offence
ten years' confinement, with hard labour; and. in cases
of uttering, lie wouLl give a discretionary power to
imprison the offender from six to ten years.
An lion. Masora enquired, if it was intended to
include the forging of Bankers' Checks in town and
country in the exceptions ?
Sir J. MACKINTOSH replied, that .it was his
intention to allow the exceptions to extend to the cir-
culating currency of the country, and no other paper

whatever.
The Mastscn who hail asked the question. said he
must oppose the Rill. I
The SPEAKER suggested, that the shortest and
best way of amending the Bill, would be to recommit
it. for the pnrpose of receiving the new clauses.
1 Sir J. MACKINTOSH would wish that the Bill
should be recommitted for that purpose.
The motion was agreed to.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee, in
which the Clauses were moved and agreed to.
The House then resumed, and the Report was re-
ceived. and the Bill ordered to be read a third time on
Monday.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL protested argot
its being inferred that he approved of the Bill, Mips
his having suffered it to pass this stage without or
position.
Mr. CIIRTWYKI) said the Bill woold meet wids NO'
inveterate opposition.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH hoped the iovetersto opposi-
dos of the Hon.Uent. would mot Wood to the laroosies

LONDONDERRY was sorry to
- and Learned Gentleman, but
eimr. ged as be was ith aa important duty, he must
object to going through the whole series of these
measures.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH would give way with respect
to the Dwelling House Robbery Bill, but be appre-
hended there would be no objection to carrying this
through tie COrosnittee.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought the two
Bills might as well be committed on the same day.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL had a decided ob-
jection to the present Bill, and did not sec that there
Icould be any serious obstacles in the way of post-
poning the Committees on both Bills till Monday,
in order to facilitate the dispatch of the public bn-

sines'.
Mr. F. BUXTON wished to know if these measures
were not to he regarded as forming a part of the public
business of the Country.—(Hear, hear.)—lle would
ask if the consideration of life or death—of the in-
crease or decrease of crime was not to he viewed as
equally important with measures of finance.—(llear,
hear.)
Mr. ARBUTHNOT appealed to the courtesy of the
Learned Gent'entail, if it would not be well to give way
on this o Tasion.
Lord MILTON wished to know if the Gentlemen
opposite won't! engage the Crown should not prorogue
the Parliament till these Bills hsd passed. lie knew
the Parliament would not be prorogued till the Sup-
plies were voted ; but he did not know that the pro-
rogation would not take place before these Bills could
pass.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY moved as an
amendment that the report of the Committee of Supply
should be taken into further consideration.
Sir .1. MACKINTOSH wished to know if he were
in possession of the House.
The SPEAK ER stated the motion which hail been
made and the amendunitt.
The SIILICI I ORGENERAL said, that on that
side of the House there was every disposition to act
with the most perfect candour. Ni obstruction was
intended to be thrown in the way of the Learned Gen-
tleman's Bills.
Sir J. :MACKINTOSH consented to put off both
the Bills till Monday, and the Conimittees on the two
Bills were accordingly postponed till that day.
AUSTRIAN LOAN.
On the Marquess of LONDONDERRY moving the
Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Com-
mittee of Supply,
Lord J. RUSSELL rose and said, he wished to ask
a question of the Noble Lord, relative to the Aus-
trian Laan. Ile believed his Lordship hail stated on
a former occasion, that Austria had denied the Loan
as due to this country ; and also that the arguments
and reasons on which that denial was founded, were
contained in one of Mr. Cordon's Despatches. As this
was a matter of great public importance. involving no
less a sum than 17 millions, he wished to know the
grounds on which Austria denied the existence of the
debt, and what objection the Noble Lord had to bring-
ing the papers of Mr. (Jordon before the House.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, he slid
not think it advisable that, pending a negociation on
the sithject, renewed with the Court of Austria, any
disclosure should be made, wide!' might have the ef-
fect of putting one or the other of the parties in a
worse situation than before. The debt lie considered
to be still good and existing; and unless Government
gave np the claim, lie did not see why the Noble Lord
called on Parliament to interfere.
Lord J. ItCSSF:LL observed, that the Noble Lord's
answer was very like no answer at all.—(Clear, hear.)
If the. Government gave np the debt there would be att
end to all negociation, and if it did not, nothing
could be more evident th in that a declaration of the
House in support of it would have the effect of strength-
ening the arm ems by which Government enforced
the claim.—(llear, hear.)-lle would therefore give
notice that a motion would be submitted on the subject
in the course of a few days, either by Isis Hon. Friend
the Nienilier fur Buckingliatushire (Mr. B. Smith), or
by himself.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY remarked, that
the Noble Lord 4peared to think a negociatiun with
a Foreign Court could be better conducted in Parlia-
ment than by the Ministers of the Crown.
AGRICLUTI:II.II. REPORT.
Lord MILTON inquired when it was likely that the
Report of the Agricultural Committee would be pre-
tented to the House ? To a quest' of the same kind
before Easter, it bad been answered, that it would he
probahlF presented in ten days after the Easter recess,
but six weeks hail since elapsed, and rumours were
admit that it would not be presented for some time.—
Considering the great importance of the question which
hail so long agitated the country, lie wished to under-
stand whether the Report on this interestitor subject
was to he presented in the present Session ?—(Near !)
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY stated, that in
the absence of the Chairman of the Committee (Mr.
Gooch). it was impossible to say when the Report could
be presented. It was out of the power of him or any
other Member of the Committee to tell that.
Mr. TIF.RNEY observed, that although the Noble
Lord, a. a Member of the Committee, could not give a
direct answer, yet he could give a shrewd guess on the
subject. if he pleased.—(llear v. and a laugh).
Lord LONDONDERRY said he could give no answer.
Lord miuros observed, that it appeared they were
to be put off from one day to another, until the Session
all whiled away.—(lleac!)
The Marquess of lA)NDON DERRY said, that if the
Session was whiled away,the Noble Lord and hisfriends
could not be accounted blameless.—(llear !)
Mr. BENNET observed, that although this quoestou
agitated all England, from Scotland to the lossr.osib,
yet they could ohtaio no answer.
Mr. HUSKISSON remarked that the importance ofl
the question was the best reason in the world why a
grave assembly should not come to a hasty decision tipon
it.—(llear!)
The tint item in the Report of the Committee of Sup-
ply was then read.—" That a sum not exceedingl3,o7 U.
thl. be granted to his Majesty for defraying the Sa-
laries to the Master-Oeneral, principal Officers, Clerks,
and attendants belooging to the office of Ordnance, em-
ployed at the Tower an Pall-mall, for the year lel."
Mr. Ili'MK objected to the sem as extranrant, and
moved as an amendment, that it be reduced to tai IL
Me. LOCKHART observed that the Table was co-
vered with Petitions complaining of the distresses of
the people. If those Petitions were well founded, bow
was it possible to expect that the he
people ld pay t
Mee which they hat heretofore paid ? cou
Those dis-

the agriculture tresses affected principally of the
cllfouunnstlraytio; nbsuotftlia"ll "Lis sothtterclierstiocflolluarreprtosheg':t7etitt?':
der the existing eireannmdstraniciteisnolflrt,hiemetonitntri it
burdenssilde that
impos thei poeonptleheemou. Idietonwtains
said
that
the tri;:e
not merely morally was ph‘s,.,
eteailniltheini"
the present situation of things was temporary. He
was at a loss to know how that could be called tftrips4
racy which had ruined half the yeomanry of the
country, as well as half the other middle ;ad 'arias.
trious classes •f society. He contended, that not
only before the House separated, but before they voted
away a further shilling of the public money, they
ought to have before them the Report of the Agricul
tural Committee; for of what use was it to rote acf
sum until they knew what the ability of the countri
was to pay it ? As to the Revenue, the Chancellt4
of the Exchequer might boast of raising a large re,
venue, but he (Mr. Lockhart) would say that ii wait
so much money taken away from the capital asst
revenue of the country. He would, therefote, cot
vote on the question of these Estimates, imam. be
felt that lie should be voting in the dark, for the
country, as far as he knew, might be utterly usable
to besr the slightest additional burden.
Mr. !MARIE), as the delay in presentine the Re-
port of the Agricultural Committee had been noticed,
begged to say that that delay hail arisen from the es.
ture of the inquiry, and not from any want of dill-
Bence on the part of the Committee. winch, on the con-
trary, he would venture to say, hail discharged the im-
portant duties entrusted to them in a wanner highly err-
Iditable to themselves. It was Isis tient opinion that the
Report would be presented before the Prorogation of
Parliament.
Mr. WARRE observed, that the simple statement of
his Honourable Friend, the Member for Aberdeen, re-
quired no additional continent from him. lie was as-
tonished at the taciturnity of the Noble Lord opposite
and his Right Honourable Colleague on these important
subjects. He called upon the Honourable the Clerk of
the Ordnance, however, to rise and explain the reasons
which had intlnced him to propose the vote in question.
Mr. %VAR!) said, that the real truth why he had
been reluctant to rise was, because be had before
troubled the House repeatedly and at considerable
length on these Estimates, leaving no one item of them
untouched and unexplained. Ile would repeat what be
had before stated, that the increased amount of the item
' tinder consideration was to be ascribed to the great in-
crease in the accounts, arising from the addition of the
Ordnance Estimates of Ireland, the half pay, the cola-
nial accounts, &c. It was impossible, even with the
present establishment, to keep up with those accounts;
they were reducing the arrear, however, as fast as pm.
%ibis.; but Ise could nut hold out any expectation of be-
ing aisle to propose a diminution in the amount eves
next year.
After a few words from Sir 3. Newentr, and a short
explanation from Mr. WARD, the !louse divided:—
For Mr. flume's Amendment, 7!—Against it, 93-
N 1 ajority, ?.I.
'the original Resolution was then agreed to.
On the Resolution for granting `20.1631• for the per
of the Civil Establishments of the Offire of Ordnance,
at the outports and stations; and also for Rent, Team
plc. in Oreat Britain, Guernsey. and Jersey, Mr Hass
moved an Amendment to reduce the grant to 15,101.
which was negatived without a division.
On the Resolution for granting 14,6311. for the
pay of Civil Officers and Clerks belonging oaths
Ordnance on Foreign stations, Mr. Hume moved an
I %Avans niietdeignaetnivtedwithout to reslus
a division.thegrant to 12,1311. which
On the Itesolutiuu for granting 56,090/. to dein,
the Incidental Charges, Ordinary Repairs, sad Bac.
rack Expenses at the Tower, and the several Potts,
Garrisons, and places under the Ordnance in (heat
Britain, litternsey, and Jersey,
Mr. (lIPPS moved an Amendment to reduce the
grant to 34,0001.
Mr. WARD observed, that if the Hon. Beetles's&
would call at his office, he would show him a list of
all the items of which the proposed grant was con-

posed.
Mr. GIPPS replied, that he did not think that
would satisfy the public•—(bear, hear)--and again
pointed out the great and unexplaitirol increase which
had taken place in this part of the Ordnance Pare.
diture since the year I ro 17.
Mr. DEMN,iN said, that be trusted his Hen.
Friend would press his Amendment to a &ilia,
were it only to 'hew the country that at least some of
their Representatives were determined to do their duty.
I When at a time of profound peace like the present,
' all pretext for raising or maintaining barracks bin:
I absent, such a grant was proposed, it was the duty
on, of
that side of the House to resist suelo a propo.iti
however small their numbers, and however hopeless
they might b.• of success against the overwhelming
majority which the defeat of his lion. Friend's motion
that night, for restoring the independence of Pir.
liatotent, was calculated to secure to the Noble Hit-
ques4 opposite.
Lord MILTON begged to ask the nom ursSle Se
cretary of the Treasure, whether the expo rave of tk
barracks which had recently been built in the ifel
Riding of Yorkshire was included is the pro sent Or
the Magistrates of that Riding having, as hOr
stood, refused to pay that expense
Mr. ARBUTHNOT replied, that the distarbaarei
which had called for the erection of the barra M
a"
cks al-
luded to by the Noble Lord having ceased, the
gistrates had certainly expressed a disincliasties le
pay for the expense of their erection, aad there
lag
fore
Government had wade arrangements for olefray
that expense.
The House then olivioled•—For the Ansendniento 01
Against it, 94--Majority, 26.
The original Resolution a as then agrved to.
Oa the Resolution for granting 94,3561.0 s seat*
of the Balser* for the Pay of the Royal Regim_aeal
Artillery fee West Britain, and of Nee-erkaikk4o.l."
°dicers :ad thinners of the late Invalid Itattsßemle•
Mined in the several lie; Aeons and Batteries, far O *
lt
Year 1924 after allowing for a vote of credito
MAW., granted on the 19th of April. 181,1
ing in the whole 211,365/.
Mr. HUMP. reoitated the objections which henr!
in the Committee to the extent of this Grant, sof
awed an Amendment to rehire it to 61,936/.. which
was negatived without a division.
On the Reselation for granting 8.377 f. for Ilir ra7
of the Medical Eitablislinsent, for theilitary Hr•
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pertinent of the Ordnance in Great Britain,
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illerffense, reduced the qaestien from
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:;fr, to one of degree. There was On fort
ift* which history did not chew that the I
existed in keeping within due bound
Supreme Power. His Hon. Friend b
referred to the Acts which had been
times to limit the power of the Croy
assure him that no one held those Act
• t
tion than be (Mr. Robinson) did. TI
not been sufficient to restrain the pas
and it bad been found necessary to
That necessity was never more ob.
• 1
time of Sir R. Walpole, when thereplacemen2oo placemen in that House--a a
serous that it was impossible the dot
meat could be well administered, c
- the country, or the independence •
served with a House of Commons so c
such circumstances there could 1
measures like his Hoo. Friend's we
But there never was a time when
placemen than at present.—(Heat
fore the question for the House was.
of this number was such as to requ
in to expel them? The lion. (I
mitted, that in great national quest
been fair, and not made up solely t
he had principally adverted to the
sion, shewing that the majorities
question were so made up by a I
placemen. That argument would 1
of all placemen, which was coal
Friend's argument. He knew that
Tying on the affairs of Government
the form of parties, was much at
but he confessed that he was one
that mode. Without it he thougi
of the country would be carried
sacilating system of policy, and
fully and caprice of individuals, i'
• together by other and wore liouou
personal ioterest. lie did not sli
ing that these were his gentiineni
I notwithstanding the invective wit
be treated. He must Pay, he tli
tration in the House of Common
gether by the ties of party and of
independent in its existence as at
i t'at House. Ilk lion. Friend sa
dip not po‘selot the confidence no
of the people it represented. He
bad always found it to be his din
sent Administration, and that It
conscientiously. He (31r. Mobil
credit for the truth of this assert
well to suppose he could act iron
be hoped, at the same time, he w
i
• for acting as conscientiously.—([
they sometimes were opposed I
conntry, they were not to be s'
no feeling fur the people. No I
on if it were to change with evo
tic opinions; and if it had not
t!:e merits of every question it I
gether unswayed by the popula
'tient, which veered about with
(Hear.)—As the influence of th
sent was never less, so the inflt
was never greater than at prese
. , convinced that when public or
lt was in the right Parliament hai
it.—(llear.) Ile knew what
House rejected this measure, iss
hers would not be induced to I
count. In his opinion it won
411
that jest and rational influent
lkepresentative Constitution, t
and politicians of every ago
practicable wholly to evade it
.
. . ment.—Olear, bear )
Colonel DAVIES said that
any man to look at the state i
. .. feel that the influence of the
than at any former petit, I. 1
~
' I in which that influence was ri
Ihe lavish expenditure sar
I
the House of Commons wit
, .a ' people. He had the stronger
enre of placemen in that Ilm
the subject of any particular
i defence and retired ; why dit
same principle ..--(llear.) 1
Finance Committee it would
`202,395t. had been granted
;mations in Great Britain an
1 the regular military, naval, ai
MP was now increased to
I afford quite sufficient influen
placemen having seats in p
the House, if they bad an,
ing, to adopt the moderate,
tional principle of reform
motion embraced.—(flour.)
The House then diviticsl.
• For Mr. Bvitnet's motion. 5
rity against it, 1.4.
L
Mr. Hume,-rd 1311:11T,
Mr. L --EN NARD, and several
on', time division having us
I
On oar re-admission to I
Mr. Rentruort obtainin,
to
amend the acts concerni
rests.
YORK El
L ird MILTON rose to
• 1
Ili:I to (sunhat* the takil
ili
r 1 Elections in the County
begged to say, though he
the Bill at the present 11111
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(peace of the arrangensei
County of York by the 01
Bill. His attention bail
sect, and he should have I
if the arrangements to s
I been made. His plea wa
votes in different parts
i
polls, under the imperial
', i
by the Sheriff, might pt
proceeded to describe th
littreatd asimmit to the
Ike Fencers to be given t
. ' the Simi,. and other a
I .
ISL. by
aingsmisessfor Imre
Lo
It* I

151;010146gilieth25eme
frill.. .
sTATIMMAN.
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oppose the bliingiss la of the Bill, bat he pointed oat in the Navigable Rivers' Bill, which he mew 'move
the difficulties which' lay In the way of the tnessnre.4— shOuld be committed.
It went to introduce „miss principle int, the Law of The Marquess of LONDONDERRY was wry
-• -__ ....1..„4.4. it did. the aorrsisg oo of oppose the Honourable and Learned Oestlemas, b
...wed as be was with us important duty, he mu
. .

nce, or 0v.....•
.hich the proposed grant was ma-
I
lied, that he did not think that
1 public (hear. brat)--and again
eat and unexplained increase whirls
The I'uo
this part of the Ordnance Rya-
tloey left of
,ar 1417.
said, that he trusted his Hew count, but
ess his Aloes:dissent to a division, since heels
icw the country that at least some of
The fear
Ives were determined to Jo their duty.
f profound peace like the present, night, (set
sing or maintaining barracks bens: .5 per Coo
ant was proposed, it was the duty of in a very
louse to resist such a propo•ition,
seir numbers, and however hopeless Letters
4 success against the overwhelming nias's hy
he defeat of Isis lion. Friend's motion lithos wee
restoring the independence of Par- 'Spanish
Isolated to secure to the Noble )12r•
Paris
N begged to ask the lion. urshle Se-
-ceding el
'reasstry, whether the expo n=e of lit
sad recently been built in the irel
titan Ste
hire was included in the pro sent On ens In s;
of that Riding having, as he oado' thals an
pay that expense ? Houssen
lINOT replied, that the disturlogos 1 'the mos
J for the erection of the barracks al-
Were SO
Noble Lord having ceased, the MS'
of diva
srtainiy expressed a disinclinations le
ease of their erection, aid tk
liras der
ale duo
d made arrangements for defolbst
wernnte
ten divided---For the Amendment, GS i eels pro
-.Majority, 211. forb
'before
Itesulatioa a as then agreed to. ad
lotion for granting 94,3541. on wool ?notion
for the Pay of the Wird Regimes% of restrai
Nat Britain. and of NowerstrisisloWeit tisfactl
mere of the late Invalid listtalius, re" gotiati
everal Oa: Astons and flatteries, for the .item
Iter allowing for a vote of credit of body
nted on the 1911. of April. 1821, NA'
the bads.
,le 211,365/.ls
re-stated the objections which bearseo the
ties to the extent of this Want, awl -laical'
suilment to reluce it to i1,t136/., which in fel
without a division. of test
pietism for granting t0,377L for the Pay have
al Eilahlislinient, for the. Fl
lie. • tenth
he Ordnance in Great Britain, Pt
It moved an Assiessobssent to miller the we&
rl. ; which *as negatived 'Admit a dirs. Mob
111
slatbse for granting 3901/. eillinmigt, Am
.
m. of the Estraordinaries of the tsww• .
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