The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-05-05 00:00:00

S'FATTSMAN.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

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HOUSIS OF LORDS, MAY 4.
Lord KENYON moved. that a !Message be sent to the Cerra*.
arntn, to request a Copy of the Report made by a Committee of
that House. in the year 1816. on the state of the Children em-
ployed in Cotton Mannfactories.—Ordered.
A privaie till was brought (Nun the Commons by Mr. )Milne,
and read a first time.
The Earl M Etilt EMONT rase to move the second• reading of
the Bill for Uniting and Regulating
.Chnpels of mace. Hi.
Lordship ribm.rved. after lie had introduced this Bill. be had
been induced to v. ithdraw .t. in order to alter some provisions
which were thought objectionable. It had then been re-intro-
duced:and, after having been read a Jim time, now lay over for a
seeond reading. Some of the clauses might still be considered
tis requiring attention 4 but the Committee wonld he the proper
place for discussing them. In. the mean time be moved the
second reading.
The Bill was then rend n second time, and ordered lobe com-
mitted to a Committee of the whole House.—Adjounted.

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• HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Peven (Weight Petitions were prraentrd• from Mr. W. Grant
and brothers, and others. manufacturers ut Manchester. Stock -
pnrt. Blackburn, Chorlet•, :and other places in f.rtnrta'•ltire and
Cheshire, pr 'yins for equalizing the duties on Cotton, Alanu-
factures. and for la) ing dunes uq•.the raw material iln.tellti of
the manufactured Komi= —Ordered to lip on ah tattle.
Papers were presented from the list India idarks. Waling
their disbur✓-mend for parpo.es rf gener.il accommodation.
COPY RIGHT.
A Petition was received fr m t. e Academies of Edinburgh

Univer•it). against the. Copyright Bill.
The fusilier cotoideration of she Couvright Bill wns post-
poned. .on the motion of Sir E. ISHYDGE:i. to %I- oday twit.
A Petition I.re/tented by Mr. FIN LAY, from Glasgow, was
received. against the Scots' Lunatic Asylum 801 l
The Honourable "'ember akt prevented a Petitton from Obis-
sow against th,• B II for Ilegola.itlg 13e Admini.trot ton of tlt,•
Scots Burghs, which the Petit ionvrs stiougi.t tout rove atlon ive.
—Ordered to lie on the table.

SAVING BANKS.
On the motion of lir. DOU(iLAs the Scots Saving Ranks

Bill was read a first time,
rl.O toil I) A i/VOC ITE said, that the 13 II involved mi-
ters of consid. rahle importance, and he, therefore, w;shed that
full time shoald be given fo. .onvidrring it pr'perly. 11
The second rending was ordered for ‘tondav next.
CLAIMANTS ON FRANCE.
Mr. W RRE moved fur Account- of Monies nlrearly paid
to Clainiant4 on France, under the Tram!" of November, 18.5,
and of the app:icatiou 'hereof, der —Ordered.
MESSAGE FROII Tll LORO4,
A MetKage from the Lards requested rrtiv-lars of Evidence
given heft' e a Committee of the 'tones of Common, in 1816,
revecting the Cotton Manufactories. which was agreed to.
POOR LA WS.
The Poor's S-ttlement kill was read fir't and seenntl time,
and went through a Commi tee; pro p.entg, in wh eh the blank.
werefilled up. The Rep rt teas hrottg up. read, •nd order-
ed lobe considered on iNidne-day, and o be wanted.

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Sir T. D. ACE.% NO enov,-d the itersinil Betiding of the Sac
mot Fishery Pre-eriation Bill. The present Bill was RI, wine
io it- ob;Ect, zo. one which went thriingh the 11.inse two %wit.*
ago, but .whieh fioa ly impeded in it* pinzre,-s ; a rirenin-
'more much regretted by ,Ito.e woo %, ere inter:4lml in the Sal-
mon Etchers, On this account he had ,bought it iterersaiv to
ria.iv it. It did not interfere a ith 1 cal Act, as had ',era sap-
pn.ed, but it tended to render general, prnsision. which n
re
contained in local Act., and to prevent the destructing of Sal-
mon at the ;pawning sea on.
The Kill was •eisci a second time. and order d to be com-
mitted on Thursd •y. and to he printed.
IRISH GRAND JURIES.
Mr. V. FITZGER A i.l) said he had paid much attention to
prepare a mea.iire respecti ad the Crawl Juries. in whirl;
he should pi eAerre all Villille4orw, prwri-ions, 'lcing ach
tae
were thought tilkiectinnat,le or inopracticai.le, %vita the vi,w
applying some remedy oi o.,rvili• complained of.
Mr. A REBA:ROW E sand. that if the Hee. Gen.leman had
paid in much•attentioc lathe matter, it ap;.eared advi-able that
he should bring in hi. Bill 'prettily
Mr. V. FITZGERALP then g !re nn ice of a motion for
leave to bring in his Bill :.n Wedge-daN.
!BINH JUSTICES OF PEACE.
Sir 11. PARNELL presetlied a ertition from the Magi-tratec
of the COM ty of Meata, :tato); t:,e of roe 1,,,,,,ers
givri, wawa) to pre"erve the public Peiice by .lie Cis it Power,
mut praying for additional means.
Ordered to lir on the table.
N;VI- OFFICERS' PENSIOVS.
Captain 11 ALD EGlt AV E pre.iesi:ed a Petition
(rota Lieutenant Frederick Bedford, of the tinsel
Navy, stating that he had been many years iai service,
and that at an early period (we titiderstood when he
was a midshipman) he had lost an eye and the use
of his jaws by severe wounds, and that he received
only a pension of 911. or 951. a year, which was in-
sufficient half-pay. The lion. Gentleman observed,
that it was unpleasant to make compsiisons between
the branches of public service, but he could not avoid
alluding to the facilities afforded to the army in ep.
plications to the Commander-in-Chiet, as compared
with those given at the Admiralty.
Mr. BENNETT said, he understood the Noble
Lord et the head of the Admiralty refused the sight
of his high presence to Lieutenants. This, he was
sure, was not the'case in the etletirtit rations of Earl
Spencer and of the Earl St. Vincent ; neither was
tilt an ariangement adopted as to the army by the
Carmnander-in-Chief. lie trailed, if what he heyed
was true, that he should bear some good reason as-
signed for it.
Air. CROK ER said, that the Petitioner appeared
to be rather a person favoured than othereise, es he
was an inmate of Greenwich Hospital. lie was not
quite able to give a very distinct ant; er to a tioestion
put by an lion. Member ; hut he must observe, that
the Noble 1.9r11 at the head of the Board of Admi-
ralty was a responsible Minister of the Crowo• lie
was not Situated similarly with the Commander-in.
Chief, who held a substantive office. Ile was only
the senior Member of a Commission for executing the
duties of the Admiralty. The Secretary of the Ad-
mirally had as little as possible to do with business of
the nature 'law mentioned. Ile (Mr. Croke') was
not Secretors to the tit tit Lord of the Admiralty, but
to the Board of Admiralty. fie was tint aware that
the regulations and rules had been altered. Ha had
bean connected with the Admiralty for nine years,'
and had not known of any difference in the regula-
tions; if there were any, they most he of a private
nature. For himself, he could say that he was at
the office every day, and all day long, to see any
body who did him the honour to call upon him, on
any business that related to his department.
Captain WALDEGRAVE adverted to the cir-
cumstance of a pension stopping on a promotion
Lieutenant Bedford received no pension for the lose'
of his eye and jaws when a Midshipman.
Mr. CROKEIt said, that, as he understood the
matter, the supposed grievance applied no more to,
the administration of the navy than to that of the
army. It had beet. a practice for officers to receive
pensions after promotion, and he believert there were
many who s., received them now. But Lieutenant
Bedford asked, why he did not. Ills case occurred
before tee regulations, which had been adopted a few
years ago. lie had a situation in Greenwich Bo.pi.
lel, calculated at /251 a year. His peusion of 951.
a-year (as we could understand) lie received through
Lard St. Vincent, fourteen years back.
Sir C. YOLE thought the Petition improperly
wordoti.
Air. C itOK EH remarked, that he had never heard
that.t4e mutations at Greenwich were less favours.

ble than those at Chelsea. If any mottos
ea this subject, he. should' he ready to Conimunicsi.
all the information he could give.=—The Petition was
received, and ore -red to he canted.
LAND TAX ASSEsSAIENT
On the motion that the House resolte itself %U N.
Committee on the La: d Tax A ftessment Bill, ' •'''
Sir JAMES GRAHAM Said, he found fault-with. a
Bill like that on which it had been proposed to Rd
into a Committee, but more especially it was objec.
tionsble on the ground of its being ititedlitired
such a period of the Session. In niany counties It
would be found that there was not even a third of the
land redeemed, in some a half, and in some a little
more than that quantity. Ile trusted the House sioo!d•
not allow the BM to pass so near the eve ora General,
Election, as it would most ;wholly create consider-
able confusion. • The Hon. lisronet cot:chided by
moviog, as an amendment, that the Bill should be
committed that illy three months.
Mr. BANK:ES thought he: -Rill 'was highly ink-
peilient at present, though he admitted the pegeaafry
of something : it would, in his opinion, be productite
of considerable inconvenience.
Mr. W. 1V YNN, supported the Bill. • •
Lord CASTLEREAGH thought an Honourable'
Member had a very,cutious opinion of the Members
who would nut have their freeholds registered. He
thought if the registry of Ireland was ealminett, iti
would be found not very diMcult. We unilerstotid
the Mae Lord upon the whole to say, that he would
object to tlie measure, unless it were for a more coma
piece alteration and reform in the laws relative to
registratina,
Sir S. FtWilll.l.Y. strongly supported the Bill.—
If the measure itself was good. the General Elec.
tiring Wet near surely could not he coniidered by toe
Hesse as'any conclusive 'ligament against it.
Lord LOWTHER, as we understood, opposed the
principle of the Bill. •
Mr. W. WYNN explained.
Mr. BROUG II A M was of opinion, that cOnvideri'l
able alteration had taken place with regard to the eq.
fect of the registration, in consequeoce of the re•
demotion of the Land 'nix. it was intended that
there should bee check tot man in the course of his
voting. That object was tolerably well carried into
effect till the redemption of the Land Tax. All was
very well till then; bet let the House PPP what a door
aw,is opened for perjury.. A man had only to swear
that be was possessed of a freehold with 404. for a
year :lad a day, and upon it one L., till Tat had been
red.-erne(' ; and w hen he wa, C riled on to produce his
he might swear ti at his freehold lav on a
o hu h was redeemed, said the et.; liticate of the !istrct
Ir s s iie•fectly accessible.— Ulcoci.]—Wi'ulii Members
say that that was a system of perfect reeist•atico
would it tie atiempt.4l io be as erted tt at that .as a
de of equal soil proper registration, which opened
the (loot ,o sorts p. ?—[ near
Mr. B. BATHURST said a few words in opposi-
tic', to the Bill.
Sir W. Grist: and Mr. Ncwsia.w supported it.
The House ttien divided)
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This Bill is consequently Lest.

A Petition way preventod from the Lord Mayor,'
Aldermen, and Common.. of the City of Loudon,
in Common Council assembled, respecting the New
Pliant' for Debtors, in Wnite-cross-street. Aft.t
stating the proceedings relative to the building of the
Prison, and the application of the City for no addi-
tional sum to complete it, the Petition set forth,
that the !louse bad been pleased to call for various
accounts of the receipts end expendituto of the City ;
that 111,1 did tint mean to dispute the tight of the
House to call for those accounts, but hoped that it
n oull dispense with them, inasmuch as many of
' them were of a private nature ; and it prayed, that
the city might be heard by Cotios,l at the liar of the
!louse.
Sir W. CUItTIS moved that the Pmition do Moon
the table. The Bon. Baronet then gave notice, that
he would call the attention of the 11.)use to it on
Thitrqlay se'nnight.
On the motion of Mr. BROUGBA NI, the further
I consideration of the Report ot. the Bi!I respecting
the I'.4ue ition of the Poor was poititotted till Thurs.
!day next.

COMMITTEE OF StippLy.
The CIIANCEI.I.Oit of the 1. XCREQUER.
mover! the Order of the Day, that the iloc.o
resolve itself into a Committee of Supply. The Esti-
mates of the Commiss,rist Department, the Army
Extraordinatins, and the Miscellaneous Set vices, mere
otileierl io be referred to the ',lid Committee.
The Speaker having left the Chair,
Mr. BA NKEi rose, aryl said, that he begged to
call the 'mention of the Committee to the Report
which had been laid before the (louse relative to the
purchase of the late Dr. Bartley's library. Ile was
an advocate for economy and retrenchment, but he
trusted that the resources of the country were not re-
duced to so low a slate as not to be able to afford
I some encouragement to literature. The House had
directed its attention to this subject in times of greater
public pressure; he would instance the case of the
Elgin marbles, and no Member, he thought, would
I fail to rejoice that the House had voted a suns of
money on that occasion. The Library of the late
Dr. Burney was extremely valuable in many patti-
culara. Many eminent persons considered tlsat it
corttaitsed the most valuable collection of Greek lite.
Irature that had been formed by any one individual. Ile
had enriched the Greek dramatic poets by many re-
' marks of Isis own, and other distinguished scholars,
amongst whom might be mentione I the late Professor
Porson. In short, it was a Library of which the
Public ought to be proud; and if it were to be dis.
perm!, many years, nay, he might say, centuries,
might elapse before so valuable a collection could he
obtained. The observations which he had now matte
would, he frosted, satisfy the .110..5e that the
.Com•
mittee had not been negligent of the interests of the
Public, nor acted ht any other capacity than as
eg los of an ordinary purchaser. Ile should move,
therefore, that the sum of 13 5001. be paid to tr e
ezecutors of the late Dr. Burney, as the piste of his
books, manuscripts, collections, &r.
Mr. CURAVEN felt himself under the painful
necessity of opposing the grant, although he war
quite aware how desirable was the acquisition of the
library hi qeestioa. lie opposed it on the. same

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pr;oclple as that on which he hail op;iosml the pare
-chase of the Elgit:' marbles. In the present ideation.
of the finances of the ommtv4 :, different from the
flattering statement made with respect to them it the
commeocethent of the Session, he cneld net conaent
to vote a si-gle shirting for stay purpose but one of
indispetedb'u necessity.
Mr. DOUOI.Ai gave full credit to the flontrotahlo
Membe, for Carlisle for the mauve of his opposition,
hut thought that be rather miautiderstood.the nature
of the, laroposed grant. In the Report aside by the
qtmmit,letto to whom the consideration of the sub-
ject had ben referred, it was statedi that 3t41;41, of
of the money required would be supplied by the, DA;
of hooks now in the British Museum, which theeiwil
quisition of Dr. Burney's library would rend,eruupera,
lltioos, and that the remaining • 10,0001. alwifflklipi
furnished by suspending the usual annual gtspimnitti
)3,44!ph museum:, until the advance of that strmAtitlAi
been paid. The honourable Gentlemau,spokelo's ft..
higliejst terms of the value of the collection, -.6144.,
14• hikopiniso, malt pcFulisrly calculatyk(or..,l.43
Library of a Public Institution. rhere mere twprirta
of it, indeed, ail;ich wotttd ; prof:4.loY lose osttcti pf '
their valor, were the' fuhiectedi tOtessprice of a 4
indfsfifosf„. thp fiasr
.:opit. Ike great coßectictn of.
I cla.sical mater 44 Iliad meMotaiada which br.. Buroeyi
had beets collectimihiougitout Ma. li:4 for the per.%
110,e et publicatiOn ;intlth• ft sc.•nd ',, the stitSrokeil i
series of sielillifi per) trim the itatliiN period,. AtTorde
ing numerous historical documents. of itica,lcui4lllll
value. . . . ..
Genivr4 I'HOIANTON. said, he •Sould have r on.
curled 014-6 cote with the,u.ore p'eats c., if the
lilies of silroission to the British Nluscitto hail hum
,
greater. In . WWII new ite.testary, that $1 ire,so9 I:I
obtain adatission sltouHd 'pp!y to a Trusirpl a!k01,,54
these Trustees were persons of high rick, thiathipw.
a difficulty in the war of inik'nowli scheia f 4. Ile un-
derstood too' the Nluseaus !tel.!. its
..la.•::.•ates. flow
was the Money aontuaioell dispoacti •. ? • ,
Ihlr.C. LONG =ale!, that every• facility was affnrded
to the admission of those persons to 1%. I.ltitiih Mu-,
seem who were likels to drive say heinlit from that.
liberty. lie should be sorry tilat a more illriliCtk•
Mitrille Illtertv abash! be allowe'ri, as the vuiiitia
libraries in Paris had much suffieti ti .im ilapactlwo.
tions. l'ercSases were made to the amount of 'the.
duplicatei sold. Ile supported the 4rittit.
Mr. LOCK lima said, lie should not •llntle to
the question of economy ; but lie doubted etiotiter a
1 case wet made oat fur the iii:erfereto:e of the State.
i i The cases in which the Male should interfere to snake

purchases of the kind tut* prtTosiel, should he
whethe it lege to he purchased were at more of et.
treete rarity and extreme utility. In the case of the
chin M.'s. les it had hem alteged that the ertssesetett
of those rare eitareiees iuspire ourssenlptrir
with the genius of thecian art. In the tatrailtA.. of
work( of literature, it was not worth while to es-
peed money et the purchase of the works of little
moment, ender the accumulatinn of which every
0 inv. valuable would be buried. If any thing wl4
to he found in this collection not elsewhere to be ob-
tained, either fragments of history, or treatises of
morals, or einmples of oratory, tie should he willing
to pay money for its preservation; but es for the re-
rieties of verbal criticism, it might well he left to the
enthusiasm of virtuosos, while the interference of the
Stale was confined to that which was really useful to
mankind. (le did not hear it alleged, that this li-
brary was any thing more, then mere curinsitiee
in literature; and though they might venerate the in.
divittuals who attended to minutia ((or en excess of
learning in some might be necessary tediffuse it to all),
be could not see the neceaslty of encouraging such
studies on the part of the State.
Sir J. MACINTO.iII rose to enter his protest
against the sentiments of the lletioureble Member for
the City of Oxford (Mr. Lockhart)—it was well he
was tint x Member for the University—e 110 lied
pressed such contempt for that classical learning,
which was the foundation of education in this as welt
as every other polished nation of Europe. What
would the inmates of that Unlversit?, which we;
sealed iu the City which the linnourable Gentleman
represented, say, when they heard that they marl ail
othets clto 81 retied classical teal ning, tr ained
in frivolous questions resirecting minute anti unim-
portant distinctions ? WI; net the lionnarable
Member aware, that in tier classical eilccation to
which so marl supetfirial (Oki-floes n'iglit he mv!r,
wee comprised a course of iedirect, hut not the leas
' erodible moral and iloructiutt, which had
the grette-t etTect irrthe formation of the character
and the mind ?—[lkar, hem. !] —Were the lawgivers
of this and other countries mere drivellete, when
they recommended a degree of minute accuracy in
these studies ? But did trot this actor/Icy fo.m the
efiret ion of a jet feet familiarity with those authors
'who were the models of thought, the masters of mn.
ral if-icking, and of civil wisdom, end,. above aft
things, of civil liberty ?.—Ulear, hear ri,He was
Owned to hear any part of knowledge treated as it
'usury or an amuseutetrt.— [Hear, hear I ]—Cheerio
learning was in reality much more. important than
others which bad moredirtsct connection with the hue
situ4s.ef life, as it tended more to raise high eentie
ments end fix principles iN the minds of youth than
thi sciences. In such 1a: country. al this, at least, it.
wait strange to talk of intiney.laisl our on science as,
a waste—in this couutei,in which Mrs Watt, who
had lived to see an opplicatioa which he' hill made of
one prieciple of science; add more to the wealth of
Iris country that; it* Mad ever happened to an Will..
()eel to add before, - They had • seen teryan'indivi.
dual who bad changed the whole face et science. Sir
11.. May, by liti•aihnirabie, though 'Mille Intention:
saving atineelly a. number of human ectie .
•mated as highly the Ei‘niii ige•
noranre would permit bib); bat Wan artist, who re-
stored the smallest portion of an aucient statue was
%worthy, of praise, 'a Bentley or a Poison, who illus-
trated one obscure beauty, or charrienad one incest..
reel fine of the models of aucieur eloquence was also
to be valued. The reading of {limes' eenee or Werner
hail not produced its due effects upor. those who del
trot !lank the removal itf those errrJihßtt motet •ot con.
sequence. Thie was an alletvien of the mind, which
mast be taken together with the ariehneettee of ancient
learning, and must be cherished as such. 'flue oa.
lions! lihr iry should be sorneteing nearly adequats
to the dignity of the limitr—ire 'Pas sorry to egy is
was not )et such; and he should ch.-artfully vote (or
(Lie athlitioa to it: lie %earthed to athli that be nosy

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