The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-03-19 00:00:00

inferior 726 a Wi
wedil terreeesery continue
ire of del y.
H SKISSON said, that altbeerpti lee bad no ofy
r to propose such a clause. be mold not contest
the taster.- (A laugh.)
filter a few words from Mr. CURIVII/1. General Oar
and Mr. Unites, the Report was received sod
to, and the Bill ordered for a third readies te•
morrow.
Message fro. the Loris annou seed their Lard-
' Assent to certain Private Bills (for which sec
.) PRlCEpresented a Petition from certain oces.
i ..s of land, n the county of Herefordshire, complais.
in of Agricultural Distress.
Sir I. COFFIN said. be did not think the prospects
Herefordshire so gloomy as the Petitioners stated. •
• Petition was laid oo the table.
MR. 111: MT.
BRIMIT presented a Petition from some inha-
of Bristol, praying the house to pay attention
case of Mr. Ilunt.—Ordered to be printed.
-.r. HUME presented a similar Petition from Chip.
penham, which he recommended to the attention of the
bonse.—Read and laid on the table.
• Hon. Member presented a Petition from Steads--
complaining of Agricnltneal Distress.—Referred
Committee on Agriculture.
IRISH FIVE PER CBMT. STOCK.

CHANCELLOIt of tie* MUM INKI BR said. that:
comtegnence of the termination of the amsgamear
the transfer of the English Five per Cents. he ►ad le
that the House resolve itself into a Committest
whole House, to consider of all the Acts relating toy.
Irish Fire per Cents.

the motion of the Right Hon. Gentlmmo, returns
ordered of two Minutes of the Commissioners of
.'reesury, respecting the rednetion of civil officers,
ogetber with Returns made to the Treasury in con.
Tinance with the same.
DISSENTS eaves TES NEW riven.
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated,
the total amount of the dissents to the New Stock
or close of the period allowed for registering. them
A 2,1105,975/. It would be necessary to provide one
inured thousand pounds for the interest of this sem.
'• was intended to give the dissentients the *plies of
paid off next April, or at the Joly following. The
Hon. tientleman then mewed, that an estimate elt
sum required to be raised in miler to pay off the
rnprietors of Nary Five per Cent. Stock, who dimwitted
lite terms offered by Parliament.—Ordered. •
. LUSHINOTON afterwards brought tip the pest,
was laid on the table.
COMMITTEE nr SUMI.—NAVY ESTIMATES. I
J. OSBORN moved the Order of the Day for the
going into a Committee of Supply.
BERNAL begged permission, previously to dal
going into the Committee. to rectify a naistalta
had been made in a late discussion relative to I
Sampson, who had been stated by his lion. Friend'
• him (Mr. Hume) to have retired on a ouperanano•
pension after fifteen years service only. He bad
requested to state, that he had not only been 15
in the titration of Comptroller of the Customs,
ttl also been in the public service fifteen years in
situations, making in all thirty years. He left his
ituation at the age of and in an inferior state of
h.
—Mr. from bad no recollection of the name of this
but be wii-sffrelt dirrrwasoinistaka it was

t of the official 'return.
. YORKE said, that before the Speaker left the
he begged to submit a subject to the house of a
purely naval. He meant the case of Captain
, now Rear-Admiral of the White. He had been
promoted to that rank after filling the Chair of the Vic•
g Board. He wished to know if the wholesome
practice of prweeedieg accenting- te—seniority had been
abandoned. When a measliest given op the comforts
sjoytnents of donsestit life for a yrofeesion che-
even in line weather (to use a sea phrase,) with
responsibility, and at other times connected with
and bloody struggles, he ought not na slight
I to be removed from a situation which bad been
wed as the reward of meritorious services. They
seen John Clark Searle recently putted as Rear-
iral of the White. But the most painful part of this
ess was, that it must appear from the hasty steps
by the Admiralty Board that the Rear-Admiral
'len under their displeasure. It was known that
iry had recently taken place into eertain delis-
es which had existed in the Victualling Office.—
allant Friend near him and the Honourable "Hern-
e Edinburgh had proceeded to enquire into the
instances and to report on the flagrancies which
been detected. After this what must be the infer-
when it was seen that the late Chairman of the
lling Board, either by a public order or a private
rem the First Lord of the Admiralty, was removed
situation which Imbed filled so long with credit.
ng received that situation which was one of the
rewards for past service, and having been thought
11 of that his lady had received a pension of no less
3001. per annum—when rewards were thus heaped
an individual which the most ambluons profession-
our could but seldom gain, how much must he
been surprised when he found himself hurled on
en from his high eatato by what he might call this
al thunderbolt of the Admiralty. tie was not
at felt disposed to call in question the exercise of
rerogative of the Crown, but in the present in-
.e the object Whirls the Admiralty had in view
ell to him to have been pursued through an unasnal
, which could only be justified by strong cirenm.
res. But the must ungracious part of all remains
stated. A certain Board of Revision had taken
bjrct into consideration, and had declared that it
that a Navy Officer should fill the Chair of the
ailing Board. A Naval (Kerr having been coml.
I necessary to fill this situation, this J. C. Stark
been appointed, and to wake way for him, Mr,
h had been put out of it with an allowance of 12ftei.
mount. But stow the late Chairman having been ire-
oi an old Colonel had been brought out to preside
he Victualling Board, and thus the naval men
rented as if they were such dolts that they were
able of telling two ausJ two made four. Such, how-
was nut the character of all who had been sailors.
was not the character of Isis 43111615 t Friend near
lie toes distinguished for his application though
ad been brought up in a cockpit, not the Cockpit
hi:chalk hut the cockpit of R man of war. He was
ad abut:inn,. that if he could slut rind it he would
it. They had, however, heard of bile persons of
er description. Had they for instance not heard
idle Statesusan and of ass idle Secretsry to the
Jof Control ? Now he would first ask If it were
possible that they might have a Col. of the Hoards
It same description ? He considered the appoint-
to be our aline greatest jobs the% lied come before
house.
it GEORGE CO( li BURN rose to do justice to the
lent Admiral who hail been named, and to prove
his Flom Friend was wrong its what he had stated,
was misleading the house on subjects with which he
tto have been better aciptainted. After a minute
ry into the state of the Jewelling Department, he
(i.Coo4born) and those associated with hiss in the
ry, had found that there was not that arrangement
sepervision, nor that check en the clerks which
they considered to be necessary, and thence they came
to the roaelasiou, that it was not desirable that the late
Chairman shoeld remain at the head of the Victualling
Board. But it was proper at the same time to state, that

ivallin;

ootbiJog %Pa
honor antkprobit,
fit. woo tbMlßbt '
Adogialti, to res.
it trot aloatiobstskt
twitter be lop

potation. It .
glees, to allow an Officer of a certain rank his
choice—to receive that, or to retail" any civil situa-
tion which lie might hold. This choice had bees given
to the individual whose ease had been motioned,
,and he bad preferred retaining his rivileituation. When
iit became necessary, for the convenience of the public,
;to remove .him from that 'Rotation, it was thought right
to put him where lie would have been bad his choice
.been different. This was determined oa from anxiety
to prove to the world that the late esipiry, if it had de-
monstrated his unfitness to preside over the Victsailing
Board, had proved nothing against is gehreal thane-
ter. With respect to what had been said of the Board
of Revision, he was surprised that his Oallset Friend,
who sat for some years at the Admiralty Board himself,
could have been betrayed into a statement like that
which be had made—a statement which woe diametrical•
ly opposed to the truth. He had told the house that
that Board bad declared that a Naval Officer oeght to
fill the office of Chairman over the Viettuilling Board.
Instead of doing so, they had actually dose the con-
trary, and their recommendation was that a civil officer
should fill the situat'on of Chairman, and a see .1 direr
that of Vice-President. Snob • charge as that which
had been brought forward ought not to have holm par.
(erred by his Gallant Friend. Oa a former ovoids, k
would be remembered that he (Sir J. Yorke) bad mile.
mated himself to have been at the Admiralty Siewilit
or eight years, daring which time he had (*utilised to
vote against his conscience, from an expedition this VI
be were not to do so he would soon be iiirteted to tiro
his stern towards the Admiralty. This might have been
the Course pursued by Isis Gallant Farad, but be trusted
there were not many at the Admiralty who acted on each
feelings. Those who were engaged there wished to do
their duty to the country. He was willing to continue
there Do long u he could be usefully occupied, bet the
moment he coold no longer remain there with boson;
that moment he hoped his stern would be tumid to-
wards the Admiralty.—(Hear„ hear!)
Mr. ELLICE concurred with the Hon. Officer who
had last spoken in what he had said of the circum-
stances antler which Admiral Searle bad retired from
the Victualling Board. He had bad the hoariar .to
know that individual for many years, and knew that
aothing dishourable could ever be imputed to him. He
bad presided during the greater part of the late war at
the % ictualling Board, when fleets were to be provisioned
to all parts of the world, and no complaint had bees
made against him, and after that he thoaght it west
ill become them now the war was at an end so east that
stigma on him which would follow him if an informer-
able opinion of his conduct were expressed by that
House. The active duties of war were very differing
from the duties of peace, and he who might well per-
form the former, might be incompetent to the WOOS
arrangements of the latter. Such was the CAN of the
gallant Admiral, and for this reason only had the late
change taken place. He had called on him when he
had heard of the circumstance, had beard of all that
had passed, and instead of the thunderbolt which the i
lion. Officer had talked about, the Rote which removed
him was coached in the kindest terms, sad while it hi.
dinned that it was expetliehat be should rides,
thanked him for his methodist:U-tie I
war. He was glad however that the eireemestaace
come before the House that the Gallant Admiral (Sir at
Coclibutt) might state what be bad advittieed, and AO
he (Mr. Ellice) might have an oppertutliffelspeakit
to the character of Admiral Searle and to., ghe maasu
which he had been emeriti.
Sir GEORGE COCKBURN said, there existed a to-1
gulation by which an Officer on accusal of certain poi
rind of service in war was allowed to change his sits-
'idea. That period, Admiral Searle had served ten times
over.
Sir I. COFFIN had known the Gallant Admiell
whose name had been so repeatedly moadownd dar
many years, and was satisfied that there was nit S MOS
honourable character, nor a more benevolent mait the
service.

Mr. ELLICE wished to remark that if the Gallant
Admiral had retired instead of taking a fiag-ship, the
expense to the country would have been greater.
Mr. CROKER embarked, this removal and the conse-
quent appointment had been called a job. He begged
to state most clearly that the first great inducement to
put the Gentleman now at the head of the Victualling
Board in the situation which he filled, grew out of the
great ability with which he had filled inferior &Aces. It
was granted without any solicitation or interest—he was
wholly ignorant of its being intended so to advance
him, and was probably as much surprised at it as his
Hon. Friend could be. He bad, however, been chosen
because no other man of his rank stood so high in the
estimation of his superiors. He had also been preferred
lin an economical point of view. Two Commissioners
from the Nary Board, of which be was one, were to be
provided for. By the course which bad been taken,
their services had been transferred to the Victualling
Board, and thus a saving of 1,400/. per annum was
effected, while the business of that Board was performed
in abetter manner.

Sir J. YORKE had never meant to impute any de-
Eminency to bias. He only thought he bad been too
hasty in removing him, and that having broken his bead
In the first instance, the new appointment was given by
way of a plaister.
The question was then put and carried, and the House
resolved itself into a Countaittee otSupply.
SirJ. OSIIORN moved a grant for the expense of
the Navy Office for the year 1022, 61,595/)
Mr. HOME objected to the number of tomnaissioners
kept ap. The saving made by the redaction effected
was in a great measure counterbalanced by the super
annuation allowances. In 1792' the expense of the
Navy Office was but 12.000/. Ix 06, it amounted to
but 46,461/. lie would therefore put it to:the House, if
now in time of peace the stun 01 64,b1.051. ought to be
demanded.

Sir J. OSBORN defended the grant, and *hewed that
but a small saving could be looked for front reducing
the Commissioners, as they must be provided for on re-
tiring.
Mr. CROKER stated, no fewer then five Commission-
ers bad been reduced, two at the Navy Board, and three
at the Ports, and the whole of the transport business heti
been divided between the Navy Board and the Admi-
ralty. He would tell the lion. Gentleman wby the Com-
tuissiorfers were not further reduced. The Navy Hoard
had recommended tlmt the business should be divided
among Commissioners. Iti was impossible to arrange
the business in fewer than three divisions, and fewer
than two Commissioners could not be given to each
Counissio.l. It was therefore necessary to keep up the
number at present retained. Should a failure ut the bu-
siness of one of the Commissioners nuke it possible to
transfer it to one of the others, this should be th.ne. He
was, however. unwilling to hold out an expectation that
this would take piker: but at the same time be desired
the house to believe that the three Comunseionen would
not be kept up if one of them should be foetid unneces-
sary. The Hun. Gentleman had truly remarked, that
the saving effected by the reductions made was in a great
measute counterbalanced by the seperannsation allow-
ances. That wu true, but having engaged these iudivi

t
; HMI ,
inferior
tor the i
Mr. I
jection
to be th
Alter
MN., 1
agreed I
morrow
Axle
ships' 4
Lords.)
Mr. E
piers of
to of 4,
Sir I.
of Here
The I
Mr. I
bitants I
to the a
. Mr. 1-i
penham,
bonse.—
The I
• more, CI
to the Ci
i
TbeC
: is copse
„ fur the t
move th
the who
the 'risk
On th
i were ore
; .
the Tres
together
fermium
Tbe C
that the
( at the el
was 2.1.5 U
hundred
, •
as it trw
being ps
' Hight H
; . the sum
ir.
I ro Fprieti
trom the
Mr. LI
which w
co
Sir J.
House gi
Mr. 8
. llfonee g
which hi
Mr. Sam
near hire
tion pen
been try
rears In
bat had
other sit
last situ;
health.
-Mr. II
. individu
• the fault
Sir J.
j . Chair, b
I ,•
it , nature p
Searle,
I
promote
tualling
metier
abandon
81111 !Till
(leered e
great re
t
1
• , severe al
ground.
beltiiNCi
f had area
Admiral
husinest
taken hi
had fall,
an intri
quench
tial
ber for I
I '
circuit's
had bee
eines w
Vietuall
I,:ter fr
I teem a i
Having
Lest ret
en well
t;ian SU
up..n a
al laboi
have be
I
li
.1.
)
a eudele
imperia
one the
t'
tit.- pre
aprancearMOlNl
path, t
t
st-tires
to be ti
thin sul
was fit
; ..• ~ Victim]
i &red t
had be,
1 Marsh
• , per an,
move;
. over tli
were tt
' ' I incapal
ever, V
,
Such a
him.
he had
a: Wit
t so flail
niake i
anothe
, . of an i
Board
not po
I hl:
of the
meat I
l'r the be
' I Sir,
~..-.!.
INallan
that It
and w
4; aught
inquir
- (Sir ti
\ leaver
and 111
they c
to the
Chair
Hoare
1
Akar-

Tr.SM a4Nr,
transpired thit at all detrr• *I fess Ahei deals dating tbp war when lathed epee
Alit), of his chaiacter. WWII, the relays, at hand, it was ttatfair that they shottltl b• pro
ht amtessery teadriss the Vint Ltd of edge mow that they were laid aside, not Islamise Oho
r remove hfin from the Victim/Dag Board, guilty of any misconduct, bat because, from ti
ought right teats it.itesseli a way es should state of lhinlty.aheir.Kpiees were ma Imager
Igerines to hi, kitpag, or
.10 his re. Bat be wished the house to ointerve on what
is scud when • fag ship was: to -he these soperannnalions load bees made. They
_ . greeted. not on the scale recognised by the o