The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-03-03 00:00:00

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BATHURST contended that
tions of Ministers bad already been explicit
If Ministers took a more decisive step, they wield tb,
part from that nentra!ity which they professed. The
Noble Marquis would do well to point out any step
by which this country eon1:1 check the advance of the
Austrian armies. If Austria thought herselfin danger
from the commotions at Naples, he could not see why
this country was called upon to interfere. The Si-
cilians were unfriendly to the Spanish Constitution,
which was forced upon them. The object of the Car-
bonari was not simply to effect the Revolution of
Naples, but to procure and encourage general insur-
reetiooary movements throughout the country, and
this had been distinctly proved by Murat's invasion.
They stated the resistance made to the Neapolitan
Constitution in Sicily as an argument to prove the na-
tion was not favourable to the Constitution, and there-
fore, that this Constitution being opposed by the King
and a great proportion of the population. they bad
no right to recognise it. He thought this country
ought not to depart from its neutrality ; but if it did,
Is as ed what were the measures that should .be
ads pt ? It was well known that in point of faqt,
the Austrians had already entered the Neapolitan ter-
ritorityt int whether as friends or enemies remained
to he proved. Supposing the former, if their Lord-
ships voted the Address moved by the Noble Martinis,
it would have the effect of prolonging the contest
31aay of those men who would otheraise disband
themselves mould place themselves on the hills watch-
ing for succour from this eintery; and this encou-
ragement to credulity ; this half•weasnre would only
have the effect of exciting false hopes ‘‘ithoutgiving

effective succour.
Lord ELLENBOROIIiII said, the objection of the
Noble Lord, who had just sat down, applied to the
latter part of the Address. To the first part there
was no objection, for it merely went to express the
approbation of this House of the conduct of NliPi!l-
- in condemning the principles of the Congress.
If it was right fur Ministers to eaves% that dis-
approbation, he contended it was !warmly right
for the Houre to express its satisf teflon at the
part they acted. If the Noble Lord had applied
Dore closely to the words of the latter p r , be
would not give them the interpretation he had
done, for they only sated we might to interfere, to'
Induce the Austrians to withdraw their troops. Ile
was convinced that his Noble Friend, looking at the
affair with the eves of a statesman, would be fully
impressed with the danger to Enrol.e—to onrselves,
perhaps more than to Anstria herself. If the sitna-
lion of Austria were looked at, her necessity for rely-
ing on her military force—that force drawn only
from her own ropulation, and if the consequence of
the movement of their force to the %moth of Italy, so
distant as to find it difficult to act far the general in-
' tereats of the Empire were conaidered, no movement
could appear Si' pregnant with danger to herself; and.
looking at it merely in that point of view, it would be
the imperious duty of his 31ajeooty's -Ministers to en-
deavour to arrest them.—(llear, hear.) Hut were the
difference between the present situation of Italy, and
what it was previott to the French Revolution taken
into account, that the Italian soldiers participated in
the victories of France and was anima/pal by military
glory—that the Preach have imparted knowledge of
political matters to the people. and that by annulling
the old law of primogeniture, now re-established,
every 'young man in the country waft arrayed against
the existing laws.—(Hear. hear, hear.) Were al;
these matters considered and viewed wl h the
eyes of statesmen, it would be universally agreed
that no nseasnre could ha franght with so
danger as tha: of the A woo ion movement. Ile
did not think that the Anstrian% would meet with any
material opposition in the first instance; but when he
' recolleettd what had been achieved by Spain.—(llear,
hear.)-11e could not calculate on the effect which the
Lecupation of the Neapolitan territory by the Aus-
trians would produce. particularly on France. What
movement could be Si) daogerous to the Government
of France as that of taking part against the people,
thereby placing the passions and feeling of France I
against the French Government.—(Hear.)—lt would
he impossible. (looking as he did ta the movement of
the Austria-.s) not to foresee that it might interfere
ith the liberties and happiness of Europe. In former
contests the hearts of the people of Englaool and of
the Continent were with Government; what 'was the
case at present ? The feelings of every nation in Ea-
rope were against us. Looking, as he did, at the'
situation of the country. he could foresee few occa-
sions on which war would he popular ; but on none
could Ministers he so certain of the sentiments of the
country being in unison with them, as if war sl Id
I unfortunately groa• toot of our interference to prfvent
the subjugation of Naples by foreign lhoyots. To
the ;notion of his N old,. Friend, he would propose to
add, "'That his Majesty would be graciously pleased
to direct his Ministers to use all possible endeavoors
to avert from this country the dangers likely to be the
consequences of the rr,:sent movement% on the C.on-
tineut, and thereby se..ure the tranquillity of the
British Einpire.." Ala would wok, were _there n
measures promising a successful result short of
war? His Hononeable and Learned Friend had
asked, " Do you think your remonatrance would drive
the Austrians back ?" Undoubtedly not—hut circum-
stances might arise which would render the friendship
of this country an object to Austria. In the Revolution
of Sicily we pledged the tumour of the nation not to
allow that country to he placed in a worse sitution than
that in which it was then—vet the King, had, in WI;
or 1817, annulled that Constitation. Ity a pledgeof our
own Government we were called upon to declare that
the Sicilians should have no other Constitution imposed
upon them than their ancient one, and which faun been
since violated by the I(ing and Government of Naples.
lie knew the attachment and d'orotion of the people of
Sicily to this country. We might he therefore certain
of the support of the Sicilian people in any neeesciation
with Au‘tria; thus at once sultditing the any
of
whom so snitch had been. said, and all other parties
Our interference was called for by all former pledges.
He did not understand the Address in the same sense. as
the Noble Lord opposi:e old —tor we would beouly giving
lour CellearTraWe to principles by whieh it was linposai-
, ble, his Majesty's Ministers should not be artnated. The
Honig Would sh6w Abe agreein^ to the Address pro-
Kiel IT the Noble Illirqueono) that iffra3 tletermitted to
support Ministers in tlwir efforts to tranquillise Ecope;

this country tad no uttered. Whether we malt.
--
'or peace the opposition was sane to be the same. If
we interfered now we should &erre to be charged eves
with insanity itself--tbr the Noble Lord contended
we ought to array ourselves against all the power: of
Europe. Whatever our accidental distress, he trusted
that the country would always have strength enough
to vindicate its honour and interests, and this strength
would be best preserved by observing -in the present
instance the strictest neutrality.
.Looking at the
Neapolitan Revolution, brought about as it was by se-
cret associations and military, he saw nothing that
claimed our sympathy, for military Revolutions were
not remarkable for being favourable to freedom. Our
interference would be, in fact, dictating to Naples a
form of government, and therefore a departure from
the neutrality professed in our declaration.
The Earl of DARNLEY contended, that standing as
this country does, it was hound to interfere, to protect
front military occupation and despotism a country whose
only offence was a love of liberty. In an animated
tone. the Noble Lord called upon Noble Lords whose
ancestors had defended those principles which the
!My Alliance was about to subvert, to interpose
between the people of Naples and the Allied Alo-
Hit Noble Friend had taken a fair view of
the consequences of this march of the Austrian armies.
Ile would ask, by what means was Austria enabled to do
this?—by the money of this country—(hear, hear,)—for
Austria owes to Great Britain no less a sum. than
eightren millions—(hear, hear,)—the principal and in-
terest of a debt due for twenty years. The Austrian
ildvernment was therefore bound to pay respect to the
interference of this conittry.—(Louil cheers.)—lle un-
derstood his Noble Friend only recommended moral in-
terference, anil in that point of view would support the
motion of his Noble Friend.
Lord CAL'I.IIOItPS thought this country owed to
Europe to manifest its deep and lasting concern at the
hostile measures about to be carried into effect against
N..plei—that ice mould with some claim to attention, as
stated by the Noble Earl who had just sat down (Lord
Darnley), call neon Austria to desist, and thus save her
from a dishonoured 'tame, anti this in frien.iship to
Austria herself—he therefore cordially concurred in his

Noble Friend's motion.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said, that the Noble Lord,
without any further information as to the grounds of the
invasion of Naples, called upon the House to depart from
that hue of neutrality, of which it had, by its vow. so re-
ly approved. Ile begged to be understood to express
no approbation of the principles of the Holy Alliance, or
its assumed right to interfere in the internal reettlations
of other nations. Whether Austria can or cannot be
justified in interference with Naples, or any other coun-
try, was nut in the present instance the question.--
Although there was something captivating it: the mane
of liberty, still that would not be a sufficiew ground for
oar interference, merely on that account, although there
was ahvays sometbing magnanitnons in supporting the
weaker party, ioill it was not a necessary consequence
that the weaker party was always in the right; be should
therefore oppose the motion.
Lord HOLLAND said, many reasons concurred to
induce him to support the motion of his Noble Friend.
The Noble Earl (Aberdeen) had stated to their Lord-
ships, that his Noble Friend had mistaken or misre-
presented the Manifesto, and had argued throughout on
that fallacy. that the Allies (at least the Austrians) had
ant understood our views. His Noble Friend (Lord
Lnnsitowne) had called upon the House to peas the re-
solutions, not on the account of the actions of the
Austrians, but of their langnage. If the Noble Earl
(Aberdeen) said he believed all the principles stowed
by Austria in the Manifesto, would his Majesty's
Mi
ttisters say that this monstrous—this disgusting paper
—is in unison with the views of his Majesty's Govern-
ment ?—(lfear.) The Noble Lord said, the only ob-
ject of the motion of his Noble Friend was to induce
514 to talestoloot our neutrality. Ile (Lord fl.) contend•
ed the contrary was the necessary consequence. A
Noble Peer had said, our interference would he an en-
couragement to people to resist ; and yet, at the fist
moment Ministers had not hesitated to express their
displeasure at the de.by which the Neapolitan Re-
volution had been effected. iVas that, or was it not,
he would ask, friendship to Austria ? Austria hail
either misunderstood the views of this country, or
had mite epresented them to Europe, and he shelled
the Noble Earl to get out of that dilemma.—(flear.)
—The Noble Lord said, he believed Austria sincere,
and there was no quarrelling with a man for his Ito..
lief.—(A laugh.) The Noble liaron then read the
concluding paragraph of the manifesto of the Allied
Sovereigns, and characterised it as the more atrocious,
because under the mask of hypocrisy, it veiled the
most tyrannical design. It was said in this manifesto,
that they, the Allied Sovereigns, were desirous ut
Peace. Peace indeed Why, if they were so, had
they kept up such large establishments c He denied
that this motion rertontuentled war. On the contrary,
it was de-tioetl, in his opinion, to avoid war. There
was no man more anxious to avoid war than himself.
They %vele not railed upon to go to war, but they were
ealle,l upon t siatlieate the sentiments of this country,
which were misrepresented by Austria, and whatever
might be the eousequences of such a proceeding es
that he, for one, was prepared to meet 'lieut.—(lleat,
hear.) For these reasons he would vote in favour of
his Noble Friend's motion.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL was glad in one sense to
have heard the warm ebullition of his Noble Friend,
because it gave him .! hope that they were returning
to the better principles of former days. flow often had
he sat in this House and heard a very different doctrine
from the Noble Lords on the other side. Then, when
the independence of Switzerland, of Holland. and of
Spain ire:e overturued, what was, the langnage of
those Wile Link ? Peace ! Peace too with a reyo-
Ititionary SoverciAn, so great was the charm which re-
volutious 11.14 in the eyes of those Noble Peers.—
(Hoar, hear.)-11e contended that if this motion were
„,...04„1, and it, iii consequence of it, a declaration
were isstietl, then the c 'nifty should be prepare.l for
war. Could any man tlettlit that such would be the
elfeet of :1:e motion. after the speech of the Noble
Itaron ?—(lfear, hear.)—:le agreed entirely With the
Noble Baron in his dislike of war, and though he
was coteitott that if there was a personal and domestic
necessity for such a policy now, the sinews of war
would ut this moment be found in this country;—
(Hear, hear.)—yet at this hour he was convinced that
the,hese and wisest policy of England was a ark; nett
tiality.—(llear. hear )—lle trim ready to allow. and
4;t* itozlealy e u.uvinced of this, Rat the must us.

thoseie
lamented,
revolutions
because
which .
"ntojeapeswli
:ate.
Helirit:lrse.::esohrueidi
and impolitic thing thatAutifstria,the
iiihmk‘iiiitsieami
\ ever did, was the issuing
the Noble Lord alluded. Then um,e ft
could not plainly see that there "Illsa
were two phati,
abroad in the wurlol, both of which _ were or*
. He was sorry to see so great ,
sition in some Noble Lords in this if -- 411°
tgOtase. roil.
finance one of those principles. The
pies to which he alludes,, werofodricseeesa.osodrioninia.,:ielaawie7:6
upholding all revolutions because they
h
exciiknbwetodynetethretie:mewileAgnateeillyiiiatetessm:4:llll447l:4l..lkeilla
-Vole Iwo;
it
*ions ; and on the other, that of patting hes
from a similar motive t
downomin exigencies, and
aladleart
could not but think the existence of the Carhoutg.
I which was spread far beyond. the territory of Ire
atr
ebniosc !Ilia: !lane oibfueb list t oi li
aewnlis
tinictlne;olwt•
Hon which the Noble Baron applied to it. •
lset
it contained, could be taken only to esprem tie ria,
1 timents of the parties who agreed to it st at cow
gress of Troppau. Now this country had a, vire
tentative at that Congress, with powers to • .
in its deliberation, and cootseqnetorly &Iliad CSII
net be supposed, in any respect, included is tie pia
of i:. There had been, moreover, a declared.* g
centrality made on the part of this country to the Al.
lied Sovereign?, anal they had expressed these mil.
hellos with it.—(Hear, hear.)—lle had also debt,
pines, to add, that that declaration had been stir
with sentiments of approbation is the ashet
states of /tarots?. With respect to the mole.
tions of Spain and Naples, he thought it kg
foie to state his opinion, that Ferdinand of *hi b
provoked the revolotion in that country. Rs hut ma
equally strong evidence before hint that &Missed tr
Naples had provoked the revolution in his hi
and he was not friendly to the sudden adoption XI:
reign Constitntion by any country. The great merit Si
any Constitution eta its adaptation to the pendia fir.
ruonstances and tyants of the country which adopted it.
Any thing else was a 1111C6.0 paper i'oncitutioa, EA
would not starol.--Ile remembered to have heard 16.
Fox say, and it ov,s one of the wisest things he had*,
beard that great man utter, that " if you selected IN fie
(*mi
wisest men in the trivia, atoll placed them in aims if
themselves, for the pnrpose of forming a ' ,
for any particular state, they would produrta
lion which would be abeAutely uttenduralle.
Noble Earl then pointed out the proper pokey el
country. If their ohj ct w;.s to maintain their A*
of respect in Revise, they ;wind obtain it in as sopa
effectual as that of preserving a fair neutrality Wigs
all the powers concerned.—(Near, hear.)
The Maniocs, of LANSDOWNE replied. Ile
denied that he, for one, had ever approved sf the
interference of France with the coutrits
which the Noble Earl had mem.° tril, a the
the object of his motion was to limier this
country in war. 'f he true object of Lis motion es,
to induce this country to act up to a real nrutrality.—
Having ones declared that neutrality, it was oratory
that this country should proclaim its disavowal of thew
prieciples, a participation in which themanifesteim
puled to it. lie Jellied that be had uttered use es-
pressioo which conlol justify the Noble Earl in (berg*
him with being one of those who upheld all rends•
tions, merely because they were revolutions. He ad,
witted it might be an evil, that Naples was ander the
necessity of adopting a foreign Constitution; iota
thesanse time be conceived, that if that Coostionle
was allowed to work, it would, in the course of its *re
dun, be improved by the wisdom of the Parliamentssi
the necessity of the circumstances, as they mightwie.
The Noble *Earl apprehended that the exiateucataa
Csrhonari beyond the territory of Naples, washettos
manifest, and that it would be productive of evil. If
that were the fact, was it to he expected that theft('
scut proceedings of the Sovereigns would tend to pst
down that sect ? On the Contrary, would they snit
have the effect of producing a noire general anti a 21.. rt
vigorous combination, for the purpose of resistis: the
principles upon which those Soverei ms acted. (lien)
The Noble Marquess then referred to the ins;rattioso
which hail been given at a former period to Lord N.
I3entinek. by %thief% he was authorise/I to hold oat Lop..
oT independence and liberty to the States of Italy. I!:
referred also to the prorlamation dated 20th Febroo.
I3l4,whiclo was issued by the Prince Regent beforeret•
ling out with the army before Palermo, to take pe-
Session of Naples, in which a distinct promise rashtid
out to the people of the Two Sicilies, that by achierisg
their independence they would acquire fur therethes
civil liberty. After the.4eprotnises, originally IA rit
by England anal confirmed by the Prime Itegent.las i'
not inconsistent in this country to see with the stow:
indifference the liberty of the Sicilies menaced with sun
destruction ? 'lle cuutended that at least it trotthibi*
come this country to declare to Austria and to the vol'i
its positive disapprobation of the new international ler
idtireaclisniatir: necessarily involve art.tle
Itillitti:lodli sacS:tintictiareyrijg:il:llvlsalBrl e.3".trhdis filh'een:isdel;
Lord HOLLAND, before the question was put.
ableigygiendotiotigaesek,cenasoettlooertthhee
pNrunbecl:,il;;:a,:rls isio,oid
Sitreee ,b_11.:!:
A'Cuttrt upon the instructions o bid' he had- rficFr4.o:
from home, whether he had delivered the &doom;
to the Prince Vicar,
any objection to lay a copy of the i:, . erection% on :la
table of the noose. floe i,.
The Earl of 1.1 VER POOl, oi,jerted to lay
strotctions on the table, and As tt/ iLe CA11111144 et ".
and %%nether the N..ble Earl lis
terll:
ii.e.icnAl
l'al.'llt'keultirrot days,.line. expected
an i': e Ili r
his t'p. hrUsr ettat.Nant n g. Isis wi t"'"l'``i"' ..
The question was then put. and the nee:: diem,
For the Motion .................. 3.
Against it .... , ............... - •••_"

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Majority against the Nlution ......
There writ: no Pro%ies.
The House aoljostrne.l ut Twelve o'clock.
'IOUs,: OF COMNIONS.--tatn‘s. nattcn. 2.
The 110n.,e met at about f.:or ; and, as ntua orgc
engaged a runsitletuble time upon Poivate
Mr. Alslenuan sJIITII ob; a:me leuve to bring in 1
Bill ft!t. repairing Illackfriars' 131.0. T.
Mr. HOIiHOUSE presented a Pelitiam C."' tile
babitants.of the Parishes of Si. Jame!, Wei/windeIr
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Uessege, liamorer-aquare: atOI S:. Nary-le-bon°.
complaining of *the conduct of a II per II ol";*
lo 'fly. The lion. Member olisersel, that be I"'

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ionissii, se I Reggie/ and take sack steps, as lb 'fet ; ditctiltillt reet am. fa our tPinli- casstrY• efttlit Ii ori•e and
those proceedings, on their AAA am - oeneivraAlia enktribliting I, Mend liberty and Pea.' Prussia es
Isted'As dlatisrb tbe t wf allf.r, anal- sal loPPinall.- • - ' • which the
the progress of a 111`Mil1/4 %V ChtleK in. The Earl of WESTMORLAND salt, -the Noble
who could
will runtish esomploi injuOoss to otowitpla 111- lard bad, ea a late measles, atiribitted all the die
ependence of MO MOP ," _ ,ples abroa
d
Earl BATHURST eettteaged
that the seasee. tresses of she crweetry so coatis/Mal wen in which
impolitic.
this country had no interest. Whether we snake war
union In
tines of Ministers bad already been explicit neigh. or peace the opposition was sine to be the use. If
generice o
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!eayisr.)t—eneld in that vie, he
s
of the Cathei4
s issued by the Alliet agoo,
non applied to it. At
ken only to express de low
r this country had es vire
ms, with powers to pirthigqi;
caresseqnently Englatod *IQ %. •'4
respect, included is art pin
moreover, a declare.s sl
part of this country to the
ey had expressed their ings,
hear.)-11e had also drelip
declaration had been • •
approbation is the inket
respect to the ref*.
Naples, he thought it bet
that Ferdinand of Spier hied
in that country. he isg vat
before him that &Mimed 0
e revolution in his kiftgsm;
to the sudden adoption of 111.
ly country. The great merit s(
adaptation to the pendia: sir.
If the country which adoptei
11Cill paper i'oncitutioa, 1611
emembered to have heard lb.
of the wisest thing* he had ewe
• that "if you selected all do
, aril placed them in a mom
one of forming a Caostireders ,
they would product.* Comeirsi.
abs.:lutely uttenduraMs."
I oat the proper policy el Ih
:st wr.s to maintain then Mile
aey wild obtain it in se myss
,rving a fair neutrality tones
t.—(Near, hear.)
IrANSDOWN II replied. He
e, had ever approved of the •
ince with the meanies
an had went.° tell, er tbtt
motion was to involve *I
true object of I.is motios **,
SO act up to a r: al neutrality,-
that neutrality, it wits owner!
proclaim its disavowal of**
lion in which tinmanifesto in. •
d that be had uttered use es-
isti fy the Noble Earl in (barest
1 those who upheld all rends•
they were revolutions. He ad.
evil, that Naples was andet the
a foreign Constitution; beta
aired, thst if that Constitstim
ivould, in the course of its sera-
;he wisdom of the Paella:aeon!
Tuinstances, as they usightsrie.
hended that the existeuceefaz
territory of Naples, walla:tee •
would be productive of evil. If
s it to be expected that the Fe-
e Sovereigns would tend tops%
the contrary, would they o
aciag a more general an a a 1..%
for the 'tarpon of resirois: the
I those Sovereigns acted. (hear) •
ten referred to the ins;ructions
at a former period to Lord
was authorised to hold oat 'actrot
iberty to the S!ates of Italy. ke 4
orlantation elated 20th Mew,
by the Prince Regent before set.
,y before Palermo, to take pe-
rhich a distinct promise %mink
e Two Sicilics, that by achietisg ;
,y would acquire fur therelses
10-seproutises, originally IA est
vied by the Priers, It .t ent,trss it
country to see with the eine
of the Sicilies menaced srith sun
tended that at least it would le.
,eclare to Austria and to the veil,:
ttion of the new international lo
l Soveteigns shoved the-welter
a declaration as this avoid wt
is country in war.
, before the question was rt.
her the Noble Earl had reeeitA
io the proeee,ii:!os of SW Wte.
aructiona %%Hell he had- ritcrlvel
lie had delivered the Jed-twice.
and n !seller the Side Earl had
A copy of the iastractiuns on aye
It POOl, objected to lay the *ta-
le. and as to tue remind et So
meted rirstaehes (rose thatNito-
lid then his proceedings Is'Aljk
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