The Statesman.
London, England, 1813-03-17 00:00:00

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Ar.. Itltlr..' . expiained.
liir J; SHAW said a few words.
MroFRANKLAND supported the going into a
Committee on the Bill, .es all objections to it,
Might de done away. He warmly ed its prin-
ciple, as it wan manifestly wrong to let an individu-
als good MN be filched from him, and lea* him no
redress. Let country manufacturera fight the battle
fairly, but let not a man's enterprixe, talents, and
capital be stolen from under him. i There were old
country manufacturers who would have blushed to
put ."
London" on their works: Nothing was more
hurtful to the manufacturing and commercial interests i
of the country than suffering an ingenious man's'
rights to be violated.
HOUSE OF COMMONS. 1 The Hon Mr. WARD said, they ought to recol.
Ballots
having
taken
place for tbevpoiotiserit of corkinittees lee! the circumstances of the times in which our ma.
to try the merits of the controverted Elections for Canavan and nuract urn were situated, which were not such as to
Youghall, the following Members were amen and sworn in ..1 I incite experiments. - Few Turks could read the
For Cardigan -Sir Byre, Goole, H. Clive, English inscriptions on watches; but they considered
General Phipps, Hon. W. }Mott, H. C. Conbe,SMirr T. TYhoolop-cs". i'
von, —__ Shutt, lOW. Geskill, J. Warre, Lord 0. Cavendish,_ the word " London" as the English mark. If
P. W. Baker, Wm. Fitahngh, C. Hondas J. Ingram Logi- • it Birmingham's"
were engraver, they might take;
hart, and another Member, *• loose name we could sot learn.
For Youghan—H. Cavendish, H. Lascelles, J. Re:robot- . the article for one of a very different manufacture. ,
He had not an equal objection respecting the names
tom, W. Fremantle, Hon. W. Fitzgerald, Sir J. Montgomery, '
Lord Viscount Jocelyn, Hon. Peter Burrell, Bernie, .
of individuals engraved: but he understood that
Wadinan. T. Barnard, Sir John Owen, H. Howard, Lord Al- .
Thorpe, and Edward Foulkes. there was a remedy at common law in such cases. 1
MrBATHURST stated, that his Right Hon. Friend the I Mr. FOARES was against the Bill.
Chnneelli-e of the Escheaner, being prevented by indisposition
from bringing forward his Resolutions respectingl
the Finance of '
Lord BROOKE apposed the Bill on grounds li-
the country, which stood for that day, he should move, that the miler to Mr. Ward. The Birmingham manufac-
order be discharged. The order was accordingly disc:frarged ; tarers were ready to meet the London ones on the 1
and Thursday was Axed for th.• House
.to resolve itself into a .
Com•,ittee of the whole House, to consider of the state of fki- minor points. 1
fish Finance. i Mr. BARING felt n partiality for the capital.—
Lord Ca S rLEREAGII postponed to Monday ,Isis mo- .
tion respecting the Renen al of the East India Com ny P Char- The practice complained of was a general trick of
ter. As the Resolutions of his Right Hon. File relative to trade ;if the law did not prevent the engraving of I
the finance of the country were deferred to Thursday, he had individual names, he was willing to enact something
heard, and it was probably the intention of the Hon. Member
opposite to postpone his motiou which,stood fur to-morrow even- on that subjee. On the whole, he regarded the
ing to Friday. ; Bill as an effort at monopoly. -
THE PRINCESS OF WALES.
i Sir JAMES SHAW said, it appeared to him, that
Mr. WHaBiLEAD expressed his concern that of three objects proposed by this Bill, two were
any motion of which he had given notice, should in- conceded : first, that Birmingham should be pro-
terfere with the benevolent Society of St. Patrick, vidod with a proper proving-house ; and secondly,
for which he entertained the sincerest respect ; but that a security should be given to artists for the re-
as the evil, of which he and the House had just rea- spect due to their own name's on their own work.
son to complain, grew more alarming every day, he Other objections to the Bill could be easily done
trusted that the Noble Lord, and every admirer and away, and he therefore hoped for a general concur-
votary of that Saint, would feel more satisfaction in rencet in voting for the Committee. The riatile might
seeing justice done to a wronged and injured wo. be forged, and punishment evaded, by the omission
man, than its attending to the festivities of the Aiiiii- or the addition of a single letter. Government had
versary, which was to be celebrated to-morrow.— a pronf-bnew in Birrninghaip, but there was no
[Hear, hear!] He should therefore be in his such thing for the goods sent out for sale by the ma.
place, and discharge his duty, by bringing forward nufacturers.
the motion of which he had given notice. ' On a division, on the Amendment, the numbers
A long conversation took place on the second for postponing the reading of the Bill were—
reading of the Fire Arms Bill, which was very ably Ayes . - 78
supported by Noes - - - -18
Sir JAMES SHAW. He argued for the necessity
of a law to compel manufacturers to affix their re-
spective names to their articles, as by that mode
their different merits would be more precisely as-
certained, and their ingenuity and industry re.

did tint follow that there was any disrespect to one
House iii beginning the discussion of any important
prepositions in the other. It had been to in the
ta-e of the Union with Ireland, the Irish proposi-
tions at an earlier date, and several other measures
of importance. In those, as in the present instance,
from many comiderations connected with them, it
had been found necessary to originate the subject in
the Commons. To the mode 'of discussion wished
for, namely, by means of distinct propositions em-
bracing the different parts of the subject, he 'agreed.
With respect to the etemination of evidence, if it
was found necessary to enter into that examitiation
In the Commons, he should be disposed to agree to
any means that could be devised by which there
might be a simultaneous examination in their Lord-
ships' House. It was difficult, however, at the pre-
sent moment, to say what shape the question might
assume. In 1793, when the renewal of Ihe Charter
was proposed by the late Lord Melville** Govern-
ment, the Fast India Company were perfectly agreed
to the proposed arrangement ; but lip the present
instance the Company had declared their decided
dissent to the measure proposed by Government,
ivhilst, at the same time, those who called for the
opening of the trade were dissatisfied, that the trade
was not further extended than Ministers proposed.
It wait, therefore, difficult to say at present what
shape the question might assume ; but in the coarse
of a very few days it would be brought forward by
a Noble Friend of his in the Rouse of Commons,
and then It would be seen what shape it was likely
to take. This being ascertained, the course of pro-
ceeding might be determined upon, and if the ex-
aminatlon of evidence became necessary, he had no
objection to the adoption of any measure by which a
simultaneous examination might take place iu that .
House.
Marquis WELLFSLEY observed, that the an-
swers to the most material parts of his Noble Friend's
speech, as to the course of proceeding, were highly
satisfactory. It was desirable that the subject
should, in the first instance, be submitted to both
Hous-s in separate propositions, so as to take the
sense of Parliament upon the leading principles, upon
which they should afterwards legislate. It was also
desirable, that in case the enquiries went into any
length, a simultaneous proceeding in both House•
should be instituted; and this, too, if he understood
the Noble Earl opposite correctly, was also conceded,
ivith a such a reservation as prudence naturally sug
gested: The question was certainly a most compli- .
Gated one in its nature, and not to be determined
solely on abstract commercial principles. Every
commercial question invelved a question of govern-
ment, and, as had been justly observed by his Noble
Friend, the happiness of many millions of people in
India: The subject must also be discussed with a
view to the nature of our Constitution at home. It

the Zollector—to preserve the worst feature of Ida-
homeian tyranny, instead of extending to them the
advantages of British Government. This Report
quoted, he hoped incorrectly quoted, two dispatches
of the Directors, in which, In terms light, indeed,
when compared with the magnitude of subject, they
stated, " that they were in no hurry to establish the
permanent settlement." What he meant to say was
this, that the Legislatyre should' declate, in opposi-
tion to the words of these dispatches; that consistent-
ly with all necessary caution and enquiry, it was in a
hurry to extend the advantages of the permanent set-
t leme n t.—Adj on rned.

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The Bill was consequently lost.
A new Writ was ordered fot the county of Mo.
naghan, in the room of Mr. Dawson, now Lord
Cremorne.

was incumbent on their Lordships, therefore, before • warded.
they came to a decision on any one questiOn, to see Sir CIIARLES MORDAUNT opposed the Bill.
that they understood the whole bearing of the sub- i Mr. WHITBREAD made a few observations on
jest. The monopoly of the East India Company . the Bill, and mentioned an anecdote relative to Mr. i
GERMAN PAPERS.
Ought not to be considered merely as a monopoly Manton, the gun-maker, who had said, he received'
independent of other considerations, but as one an order for a gun, from Birmingham, oti the re-
Connected with the most important questions of ceipt of which he was to have an order for three 1 ---wm.--
HAMBURGII, FEB. V.—Yesterday wort** the
Government ; and on the other hand, it ought dozen more of the same kind. The Birmingham Police apprehended a Russian spy, whom they. had
. caused miss, watched since the 23d inst.
not to be taken for granted, that much improve- people, however, instead of sending that order,
The n of this man having been proved. he
metit Might hot, in perfect consistency with the present manufactured similar gum; put Manton's name on
plan of governing India, be introduced into the ma- them, and sent them out to the Nabob of Onde.— was instantly handed over to a military commission,
nagement and controul of the Fast Indies, and in' lnstead of the regulations of this Bill, he preferred and was shot the same day, at half-past four o'clock.
the extension of the East India trade. The whole . the erection of a proper proof-house at Birminghaml ' The
is Th semanntencase
mawas immediattaent cly afterwar
ons ds placarded.
1 hde imonfessi.
of the subject must be taken together, in order to under authority. por
See what it might be wise to retain, what to alter, I Mr- The Diligence, which arrived this morning from
thought it better to leave the mat- !
and what to concede to the general commerce of the ter as it stood. Watchmakers might be injured on . Berlin, met with nn Cossacks in the environs of that
country, without compromising other more impor- : the same principle, and a Bill of course, would be city. The passengers were. informed, that, fatigued
taut points. He thought it right to state qualifica- ! brought in, in their favour. The fact was, that ar- with their fruitless demonstrations', and finding how
tions to the observations of his Noble Friend, than • tides in a comparatively rude state, were made in little the people were inclined to support them, they
whoM he knew nobody more capable of forming a the country, and brought to London, where they fell back towards the Oder, in the direction of the
sound judgment on the subject. With regard to the were put together and finished. If this Bill passed, Sch"edt*
'
permanent settlement of landed property in India, similar ones might be expected for other trades, and •
bisect! I.—Baron Do St. Cyr, Commandant et
he believed that no greater boon had ever been con- the authority, and exclusive right to property arising the 32d Military Division, has received from his Ex.
ferred on any country ; and when his Noble Friend from the exercise of skill, of Doctors Solomon and celleney the General in Chief the following, letter :
" .
mentioned Lord Teignmouth- a name not to be . Brodum, might be advanced. In these questions, . MONSIEUIL LE GENERA4—I have just learned,
pronounced without exciting sentiments of veneration general views should be taken of the situation of that seditious movements have taken place at Ham-
and affection, as hating so large a share in carrying trade and manufactures. Watches sent to Turkey burgh. You will instantly appoint e Military C6m-
that plan into execution—his Noble Friend would were always, he understood, marked with the name mission, to try, without adjournment, those who
elso pobably admit, that much of the ultimate be- of John Prior,—no matter whether he existed or not. may be arrested. Let the guilty be tried, and
ooficial_gffects of that saealuto-wfse Prodigal by the It should ba..a._gosat occasion that minim), . Plana- ' Pstoiahed width'. 24 hours.. I entertain no doubt of.
wise and cautious course of proceeding adopted by meutary interference,, bat here no proofs of such the geed disposition of the inhabitants of Hamburgh,
and am persuaded, that the agitators are strangers
Lord Teignmouth, his knowledge of the tenures and necessity were affordd.
customs of India, and of the most proper times for Mr. MARILYAT said, he had beard some excel- to that city. I can only regret that, upon this oc-
bringing the measure into operation. Had it not lent reasoning on the subject; bat no objections to "IL"' the National Guard was not formed. It
been so wisely and cautiously applied, it would not the principle of the Bill, whatever might have been would, doubtless, have repressed the rioters, and
have been so adtantageous in its results.. As to the said as to the details. As to the name of John Prior, maintained tranquillity. Tell them, that I have
Measure itself, he protested that there was no act of on watches for Turkey, that. Gentleman was his confidence in them, and that I have every reason to
his life upon which he looked back with more sin- neighbour, and had, by his great skill, established believe they will merit it. I send you some troops;
core satisfaction than at the share which he himself a high name, and gained a large fortune; in doing others have been sent to you from Wesel.. Woe be
had in extending it to the Settlements and Fort St. which, he had, at the same time, done material set- to that Town or Commune, that should attempt to
George, and other places which had fallen to us.— vice to the interests of his country. It was by cf- swerve from its obedience, and to oppose the laws.— •
But even there, he thought that delay, caution, and fording the means of keeping up the character of A terrible chastisement would be indicted upon it,
enquiry, might have been necessary; and though he such individuals, that the trade and credit of the and it would be made an exampleof to all the others.
Count DF, I,IIURISTOV,
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had been maim!s to extend the measure in question country was to 1; supported. The principle of the 1 o rjeserst.ht.chter ot• the C,nrp: or Observation of the 1..1be.
without delay, he now believed that the sentiments Bill was simple and just ; that every man should en.; " latictientersb. Feb. 26, 1513."
which prevailed in other quarters among persons with joy the advantages of his own skill and labour for 1 An order of the Police has just been issned, di-
Whom he had often differed, were a proper correct- his Own comfort and credit. There was no differ- : reeling; that every stranger who has artised here
tion of his opinions ; hut he agreed, that in the Re- euce between forgery on a bit of paper or.with a . elute the Ist of February shall, within '24 hours,
port 6f the House of Commons' Committee, these graver ; nor whether the material were paper or me.' present his passports at the Police-office of the pre-
-•.-rhino: which militated against the extension tale The latter species might be the worse' siisee it cinct where he resides, on pia of being regarded as
of the permanent settlement to might happen that in the forgery en paper the lost ' a spy, and sent for trial before a Court-martial.—
had wever before been established.— night fall on another person ; but in forgery with 1 Householders letting lodgings to such persons with-
he agent wished to impress on their the graver, the loss might be tQ an unfonoon I out ascertaining that the the police regulations have been
the necessity of understanding the extent. They who opposed this Bill make* for' complied wit •h - , will he considered as accomplices.
bearings, before they decided upon the liberty of using other people's nettles. This Buns, k'sa. i2.—lt is belieied at Bucharest,
1• they had been acczistomed to do : and' when apuri. t that the considerable force which the Porte is as-
.LLE said, that his Noble Friend ous naines of persons and places were engraved on i ;entitling, by
,the ensuing spring, on the banks.of
misunderstood him on 'the siftiject of the ' country manufactures et the expence of the London' the Danube, has.,
attracted the attention of the Rus-
I .
`lenient. He thought his Noble Friend • artists, the town manufactures
wereproportionally, suns. We ate assured that the head-quarters of ,
, too well to imagine that he could . injured in sale end character. It was fair and just i the Grand Vizier are about to be moved back to
extension of the system should be ' to let every man -have tbat estimation to which his : Sehumla.
y and undigested views. Whether ; skill, labour, and employment of his capital, epti- FRONTIIMS or PRAWN: WA, Fa. 28.—50 gnat
Friend or the Directors were right or Ned him. For these reasons Ite
,
instauce to Which his Noble Friend ' seeoud reading, Iltottid We fee the wee the mortality at Koningsborg, and is..the•envi.•
OW* that tOWacde Ott WWr end ntJannorjr) IX)

The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of.—Adjourned.

day.
. FAANlleirel AINRCII 4.--The Generat of Divi-.
Mon Rochumbeaa arrived hereyesterday.
HANIBUKOINI, MAIIIMPtt I.—The Police being in.
formed, that the delay of the post from Berlin ha,
served as a pretest to someevil-designing persons to
report the mareit-of the Russian troops on,lfarn:
burgh, with various other abanrditiee, have thought
proper to contradict the above report.
The Emperor Alexander, and the principal army,
are In the Duchy of Warsaw. The other detached
corps are observing the sorong places en the Vistula,
in which there are good French garrisons.
The only Russian corps which have adtanted are
in presence of the Prince Viceroy, against whom
they are not in a state to act. From 800 to 1000
Cossacks, driven from the villages by part of the
garrison of Stettin, passed the OJer at Schwedt.
141,1100041 cm the side of Berlin : these Cossack
i 'it'd the Diligence, which arrived yesterday at
, . burgh ; but having learnt from the travellers,
that Berlin was occupied by 8000 troops muter the
Duke of Castiglione, and that a good garrison was
at Spandau, they thought proper to retreat.
By adrices arrived this evening, we are assured.
I that the same detachment have taken the route Of
1 Schwedt, from fear of being cut off.
We have accounts from Mayence, which positively
slate, that the Dtike of Ragusa is arrived there, who
1
j is to command a camp of 10,000 mep, who are on
their road frovn the interior of France. Mai eure AA
its neighbourhood are crowded with troops.
I The first column of the corps d'armee which will
i
unite at Magdeburg, will be under the orders of Ce-
, neral Souham. General Bertrand is uniting a tery
i considerable force, which• came from Naples and
Italy.

Our letters ftorn Berlin, of the 26th of February,
state as follow :—" Since foriy.eight hours the
Cossacks who advanced on the 20th of February to
our en►irons, have retired, only leaving behind then
some small detachments to observe the movements of
the French army."
Prince Schwartzenberg, ivh• left the Austrian
Auxiliary corps on the 9th February, and arrived at
Vienna, brings the following account :—that this
nerps forms the right wing of the Grand Army, fol.
lowed bythesth corps under the orders of Poniatowski,
also the 7th commanded by General Regnier ; these
corps establish a communication with the principal
armies under the orders of his Excellency the Prince
Viceroy of Italy.

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. . q.:i.ite that-their Lordships should also have the the nature of the subject might require; bet *what were impewperly nee& As to the anecdotten.astowfal, the
i 'aeon; of examining evidence, in order that they, he said was, that the faith of the British Government NabobvitiminOs:dte:eit_Bi• did
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aappeageornthan,ettimpebte
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*as disi osed to rendpe every assistarten to Ministers be adopted u soon as it could be conveniently Ip.l 'vote
In coming luta Ufect the pr►nciple which they had i plied• But now he learnt that a.Report bad been nopely. •
T ...Via AD; hi A KM! 39.—elire lieatorrn
laid (in %cu. I madeby a Committee. of
,the House of Commons, Mr. WHITBREAD observed, that he believed Mr:-
The Earl of ttirmtpoo L observed, that himself i which appeared to !iet aside the whole principle at. Manton to be a Ulan of.too much Integrity to isiveut . lt ../
anti his coliengues,were fully aware of the great im- ! the permament. settlement, and to form some avi. the story. 7 that the con.
tingents of several Prinoes of the Lea
portanee of the question, mad were anxious to give 'deuce of an intention to keep the inhabitants Lora G• L. fiWt.n. sed the Bills-
of our G. L. V - ..—oppo . e . Rhine, in the South of Germany, mit equipped'
gue of. the
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it the fullest and • most deliberate consideration. It • lately acquired Indian dominions under the lash of 'Mr. MAKR AT explained. .
march o and
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of the principle c
places where it had
Upon the whole, hi
Lordships' mind► tl
subject in all its be
1 any single question.
Lord GRENVI]
) , must have *nisi:wide
permanent settlerne
must know him ir
ever wish that the e
I, adopted upon hasty
his Noble Friend
strong lit t w itIOU