The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-04-04 00:00:00

HE S CATESMA N.

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W rate of duty upon Scotch barley, 9d. per 1)1144
was no more than they were entitled to enjoy under INF
inferiority of the barley of that conntry. Thee
Booed therefore to enjoy that low rate till Isl 9,
an addition of Is. 211. per Mishel was made, increastil!
the rate vonsider.ibl) above what it was ever in England.
t'e would not take upon himself to state whether the
...Jur... of ISO-1 was right or wrong, but he believed
it was looked upon as rather extraordinary on the part
• rst the Chancellor of the Eveheqtter, to raise the ditty on
71.11,41 barley in the exorbitant tauter lee did, and that
too without eking adequate moire to the Scotch
hers of Isis intention. Ile wished to know if the Hieht
Von. Gentleman had serious intentione of introdnting
o Bill to lit the duty in England, Ireland, and Scotland,
at Is. ltd. so as in press equally on il.
Th• CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
in a low tone of voice. IVe hclicve he said that he
thought there was sufficient groom' for that general
diffusion of slaty refereed to by the 11.121. lientleman.
Lord.A. HAM t urox declared that he always thought
the additional duty.opon Sroteli most unfair, in•
gism+ as it was inferior to the English. In rouse-
sortiee of what had been done by Parliament in the last
-iessina, he had no hope that any Odin( specific would
be dose for Scotland. 'lie cause of Scotland Was indeed
heroine hopeless. For that reason lie shoald support
the reduction of this duty of Is 241. per quarter upon
roglish barley, because he shoo's' so far he doing some-
for Scotism'. Marini( done so, he should confi-
dently call upon Country Gentlemen to support him in
lornetiringa Committee, trltieb he hail hitherto been una-
ble to procure,
Mr. COKE said, that if Suite!) Gentlemen, who voted
agiiist this measure the other night, would now vote for
ir, they might then vitt...A to be supported in the inte-
rests of their own country. They could only carry such
a measure by union and yo-operVion. Hut if they split
and divided their rotes as they had done, am l a large
proportion was found voting for the Minister, they had
no slain) upon others to support them. lie certainly
now wished for union, so as to throw out this additional
duty upon malt, and then be should be perfecly ready
to support the Noble Lord in getting the appointment of
a Committee. If the Nol.le Lord supposed that lie was
ever against that proposition, lie was mote misinformed.
lie had always been ready to support any measure for
the reduction of a tax, as far as it could possibly be done
with safety.
The Order of the Day having been read.
.Ir. WESTERN rose simply to move the second read-
imp of the Malt Unties flepeal Hill. The Ilan. Member
delivered tiro or three sentences. but in so low a tone that
rae could not cati.li their pm
Sir ,1. SII ELI.EV spoke in a toll(' of voice which was
frequently inattilible in the c•allerv. Parts of the county
t Sunset in which he had been. were in a complete
oar,. of ruin. 'Else farmers were bumming wholly un-
able to pay the poor rel.& ; many landed proprietors lead
tl.eir farms thrown upon their hamls, and were thereby
iorsolrest in the general distress. It was asked how the
interesa of the debt was to lir ',Ala if twin Were taken
of:. He olought the amount of this tax might be taken
from the :Sinking Fetid. or the nest egg, as it hail been
ctilesl by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. As the
heist lion. Gentleman had so often matte nse of it for
hi, own purpose., he could not see why it should he be-
yond his reach for supplying the deticincy which the
r Iteal of this tax create. Ile considered the
.I.ing Fund to Inr nothing- noire than a humbug on
tt e country. lii wished, if the taxes could not be re-
drreil, that at least they might he made to press more
?pally upon property. For this purpose he considered
nothing so adeqiiate as a limitted Protoirty Tax. Ile
hod understood, with some alarm, that if this duty were
taken off, 31inisters meant to region their places. Now
till: was not what he wante.l. All lic wanted, and all
the country wanted., tv3s. that they %%amid resign some
or the taxes. Ile did hope that lion. Members would,
by their speeehes and by their rotes that night, show
that they really bad a disposition to econotnise, and to
Tr: serve the removers of the (tawdry.
The Ibm, lir. WAND understood there were three
EV! •Stions to be considered on the- present occasion.—
P-4, whether the rottutry could ir" on with its pre-
set.' establishment with a reinced ineotne ?—settomlly,
n briber the expense of these establishments could be
re 'nee.' ?—and thirdly, whether a less burdensome
tat eould he propoeed in lien of the duty on Malt?
With regard is the first. be would not discuss the
trestion whether the Sinking Fend olglit to be
tolchetl or not, but be thenght when Parliament re-
f-vv...nixed the existence of a Sinking Fitful. it would
lie monstrous sow to shrink from the principles which
Pa-liament first adopted. If the Sinking Fund was
a fallacy, it was at least one of very lung standing.
1!e also thought that our establishments could not he
further reduced. and that it would be indecorons and
nogeuerons, after voing, the farce a few slays ago. now
to with' old the means of simporting it. The com-
pletion of slain in Europe slid not primate a tattling
pe.sce. Far Isis part be would not consent to a small
I -team', Tax, for if there was to he an Income Tax at
a!t, it should he a large one. The objections to the I
Income Tax never arose from its amount. but from the
visitorial way in which it was collected. Ile thonzht
it fair enough for theme lientlemen who were adverse
to the measures of Government to check its extrava-
gance by lessening. its means, lint he called upon those
li••ntlettien who were a Ivorates fur the Pitt system to
tiro:ool.1 the estaltlislomoits OA/ grew (I,!t nt that sys-
tem, by affording stitfi,•lent Inch s to the Government
ti: ...trey it on.
Mr. GRENrELL felt great pain ir ar,nowleilaing
that he Ills, 'toed on this occasion from those honour-
able frienils with ot lova lie generally rut-. 1. Ile did
agree with the I Bent. who hail just spoken. hut
more iiarticitlarly on the sithl,ett of the Sinking Fund.
As for the fallary to which the 11o:4.1;011. had advert-
c', he (Mr. tit-enroll) wished to get riil of that part
of the Sinking Fund that was kept up by borroa
for this part of the system twist of necessity be a fal-
lacy. The only Sinking Fund that conl.l ever be op-
plic iltle to the reduction nt the debt, most lie the sur-
plus of the income above the expenditure of the
coantry and from the ti.cince papers Lefore the [louse.
it certainly did appear that there Was at this tttttt lent
a clear. actual, and real Sinking Fund.—(Cheers
from the Treasury Item-10-If, however, the fact
were otherwise, it certainly did behove his Majesty's
ministers to establish one, and an efficient one too,
oitliont a day's delay. Ile was one of those who,
in the year 11f19, gave his humble support to Bills
for raising new taxes to the amount of three
lie did so with the view of putting
the finances of the country upon a solid
foundation. upon which it might be enabled to recover
from the embarrassments which the circumstances of
the tittles hail created. It would be therefore a great
inconsistency on his part. not having changed his opi-
nions since that period. if he slid not now oppose the
repeal of this tax. It had been stated, both in and one
of that House, that by reducing the income, they would
compel Isis Majesty's Ministers to adopt measures of
economy and retrenchment. He thought this was be-
ginning at the wrong end.—(Hear, licar.)---In his

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oisiniuts, ineasures,of economy anJ retrclieliment t•
as likely lo bo.olitßiord by leaving this lox on. as IT
taking it Of. illit'linances of th? country ought to 1w
treated exartly in the sate' setty se the fortune ofa pri-
vate llemb-sim-s. And sopposing a person who f nail
his estee heavtiv enctunbt red, anal wished to improve
its cowlitiat4 he would ask if • the first step to
be taken, tronlil be to reduce the • rents of his
tenants ? Ile was one of those who never had,
and who dill not mix despair of the resources of
the rosintry. provided it hail fair play. He desired
to be understood to wean by fair play, all practicable
measures of rettenclanseut and ecouttusy. In such
measures alone could they find a source for the gra-
dual extinction of tic itvional debt. There was one
mode indeed, which had vonntautly been referred to
in that Ilona-. and he ;sever heard it but with alarsit
that tea', a breavl, 1.1 fails with the pnblie t.retlitor,
Ile never tenni,' consent t.l any su.-11 principle, inasci
notch as hr considered that it would be followed by.
system of plunder an.' spoliation which would hri I
general ruin Num the country. if they were in that
' situation in which they were not—ll they could indult,'
in the luxury of vises, be t s tv, that the Milt
Tax Doty wonlii not he one which Is • should choose
to be rt-peale,l.—(lime, bear). Honourable Nlesubers
would lin,' themselves lainesitablv ilisappointitl, if they
believed that its repet.l would aiford relief to the agri-
ealtural distre:s. /
Mr. SAICKHART supported the Bill. The lion.
Member who spoke last hot one had not contemplated
the possibility of reducing the expeeditsre of the
country, without also restoring the establishments
which had been voted. He contended that I e agri-
cultural interests ought to he supported, or nillity
meld not be expected fur the country. Aje equili-
basin ought to be preserved between every species of
property. The lion. Member to whom he Au! Oust-
ed hail ettlo.zised the Slnkinsz Fund, and salt that it
was supported by the greatest statesman ordte last
thirty years—by 31r. Pitt as well is by Mr. Fox. Hut
he forgot that the Right Honourable lientletuaa op-
posite wl he now supported was one who did not
participate in the reliastee to be placed upon that
fund. Those statesmen had in teality a Sinking
Fund of 1 7 millions, whereas the Right lion. Halde-
man had reduce,' it to two millions and a half. The
lion. Member then argues!, that there were various
sources front which the deficiency of this Tax might
if necessary. be mask up. The farmers Conlii nut to
on much longer unless something was done for their.
relief. Ile knew that they were now ilaying their
rents out of their stork. and that woad. only last, at
the fardiest, for another year. Not only in istshalf of
that class of persons lid he call upon the House to
support the present motion, but he implored that
they woul,l take into consideration as well, the misery
and wretchedness of the millions who depended upon
them.
Mr. J. SMITIL thottele feeling as much as alty
other wan for the distress experienced by the Agri-
cultural interest, yet differed altogether front the con-
clusion at which the Host. Member who spoke last
had arrived. lie did not think tint the abolition of
this tax would afford any material relief to the farmer.
.t reduction of eight sltillino a quarter on malt
would wit rt-duce one half-penny a pot in the pticsof
beer. The advantage derived from it would only be
in favour of public anal private brewers. The only
relief that eon's' he adopted with effect was an &Beta-
don in the Poor Laws ; ill his opinion, it would be much
better to employ a certain class of the poor in labour,
rather than snake them depeulLints on the parish. lk
wished to see this subject taken up by a certain lien-
tleman upposi.e ( Er. Sturges Bourne.) who had al-
ready done much towartls us.-liorating the condition of
the poor. The lion. I teatlentan than proceeded to say
that murk unsteressasy expense had been incurred in
public establishments, whereas the money thus spent.
might have been usefully employed. Ti,,, Penitentiary
at 31illbank was of this *more, as was a!so a canal in
Scotland, with other undertakings whirls rust the coun-
try immense sums. Ile must protest against certain
sentiments delivered in that !loose with respict to the
National Debt. It was said by wow persons that it was
idle to attempt the preservation of the uation.:l credit,
under the ctrt-usustances in which the country was
Oared: hut no doctrine was more to be deprecated than
this. There were new in the British inspire no less
than eight or nine hundred thousand fundholders, and
their property was :to intimately connected with all the
institutions of the country. that to take any step tending
to bring the funded resources of the country into
jeopardy, ninth! he to commit : n act of fchrelg-sc. Ile
next contended, that no 'male advantage could result
from doing away the tan, while the Revenue wools, be
considerable diminished by the measure. 'rise propo-
sition whirls he was most disposed to support. at toe
present moment, was that which went to reduce all
useless expenditure, of what description suever it 'slight

Ile.
Sir JOHN 1101.1111EY coldsl not support the repeal
of the tax, unless it was to be looked upon as a measure
of economy. and not as a substitution for any other
measure a uirh was to impose burdens on the people.
1l r. 1'1"1:11' EN %optional the nation. It was lows,-
ale that the Pat liattwut could separate without cowing
to s.ytue general ine.t,ure for relieving the distresses of
the agriculturists. tbuumht the relief bYi
this repeal would be not to the farmer alone, lint to the
labour. ras well. At :ill es. nts, to proceed a% we were
now. was altogi Coq. impossible. The fondliolder he
considered as toKellipt, et a great measure, from the pres-
sure of taxation. in di as lie received 104141/. a-vear
without deduction, while the lanalliolder, in Poor-rates
and other charges. paid at le.t.t :;• per rent. Ile would
support a property t.ix ; but he called upon Ministers to
look at the present state of the country ; and to those
Oentlenien who accused the landholders of a desire to
raise prices. be would say it rein tined for than to *hew
that low prices• had contributed to the happiness of the
pople. The Hon. Member, after some general obser-
vaet upon the resumption of Cash Payments, wilicL
he slid not think Olt-dell the question, concluded by ex-
pressing his intention to support the Bill.
.Ir. KEN NET'I (of Wilts) said, it was far from his
wish to relieve one particular interest in opposition to
any other ; certainly after the numerous petitions
which 11.0 liven presented to the House. and after the
statement• of the Hon. 31eittlier for Taunton, who aff-
initied the necessity of a relaxation of the Bullion Bill,
he thought it time the House should endeavour to tinil
some relief for the agriculturists. lie was generally for
the support of national f.tith, but if it should be found
that the income of the country was reduced to a certain
I pitch, he thought it impossible to continue that national!
faith. The National Debt %rasa millstone round the na-
tional neck. and unless it were disposal of we could not
possibly goon. Aliplsing himself, however, immediate-
to the tax under considerafisiu.U. thought it fell prin-
cipally on the labourer. Formerly the labourer could
obtain his beer at home. bat as the price of it bad in-
creased. aryl the price of labour had decreased. he was
encouragal in public-house habits. With respect W the

atnottnt of the tax, lie begged llon..Members not to be
deceived by the official statements before the House.—
Cheapness most naturally increase consnmption, and he
doubted whether even the tiovernment would eventually
hoed)), a repeal of this additional duty. With respect
to the general relief of the agriculturists, he thought
difJest means of ensuring that relief would be by afforsT-
inrthe laloserer the means of supporting himself' and his
fatally by the sweat of his brow, and thus diminishing
the effect of the poor laws. For these reasons be should
support the proposed resolution.
Mr. K. DOUGLAS opposed the repeal.—Nothing, he
conceived, had been shewn to indore a belief that it
*meld particularly relieve the landholder; and he (Mr.
D.) thonght it was a tax equally affecting the whole of
the community.
Mr. BRIGHT did not consider that the Malt Tax
ipartit:nlarly affnleil the agricnltttral interest. He
was perm:Pled that if they shortened the means of
Government, they would compel it to be more vigi-
lant. A sum equal to the Malt Wax, might vet be re-
trenched from the estimates, if not from the army at
least from the navy. All interests, whether a2rienl-
tural or commercial, were bound up in the same views
of policy. Economy was the advantage of both;
and !lathing but econotuy could restore this country
to that rank whirls it had long held among the na-
tions is Europe. Its would not remove this tax if it
were to be supplied from some other source. 'I hey
should abandon all partial interests, and proceed to-
gether hand in halt 1. Ile concluded with expressing
his determination to rote for the repeal of this tax.
Mr. wisNicrf and Mr. nitioirr mutn.a:v ex.
Colonel WOO!) agreed that the agricultural and
commercial interests were bound up together. .11 he
prosperity of the one promoted the prosperity of the
other.—(llear.)—lle agreed that this tax pressed
most severely on time agricultural interest. At the
saute time, it sv IS now too far advanced in the season
to expect any :ols ;swage this year to the agricultural
interests front the enactment of this Bill. Nor would
it pit-since any benefit to time commuter beyond a di-
initiation in the 'price of hereof about a farthing a pot
at the utmost. lie regretted to see Gentlemen acting
on a byStgiti of 3:111Ilit each other to get rill of the
taxes when pressed on particular interests. Ile could
nut help thinking that they could not do timer coun-
try a Kl'l'aler injury than by breaking down its in-
come. Ile thought this House hail fallen into a great
'error by repealing the Property Tax ; and if a propo-
sition were to be "matte to-morrow for reviving that
tax, he wont-I vote fur repealing the Malt Tax, pro-
vided Ise had reason to believe that proposition weals'
he agreed to. At present he must vote against the
repeal vf this tax, as it was a half measure, calculated
to do no goo I.
Mr. F. LEWIS observed that the House had got
rid of the roperty tax—in his opinion, very properly
—as well on account of its great amount. as of its par-
tial o;awation ; cotepareml with that, even the present
tax was li;ltt, as it spread over as large a portion of
the 'midis. as possible. Ile thought the reduction of
the malt tax 4444 St unwise, because it would be unwise
to hays. recourse to a property tax during peace. Time
property tax ought to be kept for a time, when war I
might become necessary. If the reduction of this
tax would relieve agriculotre. that consideration would
have consider:Ode weight with him. Butt never, while
he hail a !seat in that House, would he vote for one in-
ter.st only. The repeal of this tax would, after all,
afford rel;ei not to the extent of one farthing in the
rot. 'I he politic wonlil be bewildered by such a redac-
tion as th s Bill proposes), for they would expect re-1
lief. and vet no relief could he ad-stilled by the
Beside,. agriculture laboured under immediate, in-
gum:llll4m'. pressing distress. Time operation of this
Bill would not be felt for years. The greatest pres-
sure tiro the landed interest was occammisried by the
Stamp I tuties. Relief from the pressure-of stamps would
Ise more suitable and effeetall.
Colonel Wool) explained.
Captain HORDON expressed his opinion that the
repeal atlas tax would :itrof I no relief to the agricul-
ture of Scotland, he 311004 therefore vote against the
Bill.
Mr. SMYTH (Cambridge) recommended that the
resources of the country should be husbanded in the
most careful manner. Ile conceived that great reduc-
tions might be matle in the army. and Might to he
made; with these views i.e should vote for time repeal
of this tax.
Lord CASTLEREAGH, after calling time attention
of the House to the resolution agreed to liv the House
in 1419, to the effect that there ought to be an excess
of income over the expenditure of the country by live
millions, alai with that view fresh taxes should be
imposed to the amount of three millions per annum,
said that he felt great pain in opposing this Bill.
There was no man in time House who was e anxious
for time happiness and prosperity of the landed interest
than himself; and if he could persuade himself that
that itrerest hail its it any thing distinct fr the rest
of the community, he should feel the duty he had to
perform still more arduous. Ile regretted very much
to have heard many topics which hall been touched
upon during late debates—he meant the suggestions
which were thrown out fur taxing the public funds.
No greater breach of the public faith could be com-
mitted than this. and he was convinced that a British
Parliament would ueyer come to adopt the i tttttt oral
maxim of defending one interest by betraying another.
Ile then proceeded to contend, that the revenue of the
country was n:4 at present in a situation to bear the
repeal of this tax; that even if it were aisle to allow
the removal of any tax which it was most exrdient
to dispense with, and that there was nothing in the
returns on the t ash. which showed that this tax bore
with any particular severity on agriculture, it had not
narrowed the market for barley as applied to malt.
With respect to the consmner, the Malt-tax did not in-
crease the price of the article; for since that tax was
laid on in 1419, time price of beer was twice lowered.
The removal of this tax would sacrifice near a million
and a half of revenue, while to the consumer, suppos-
ing the beer should be proportionally lowered in
price, it would produce no more thau a fall of three
farthings in time gallon of beer. lie was convinced from
the returns, it was demonstrable, that as the tax on malt
was high, the consumption of bets, was more abun-
dant, so that in point of fact, there ass no tax in the
removal of which the landed interest was less concern-
ed than this. Had it bad been otherwise, lie would
go a great way to meet their wishes, fur he loved the
landed interest.—(llear, and laughter.)—lt would be a
great reproach to the loaded interests if they should be

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pro eer to repeal. 4":llfr:ol;:tiviliei°lluttt:
he utM,st that could he
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t(ti.aifen
tdr:xp.t.elsal that
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teot resit lax)—if line million
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be reduced, he n•„old ra-
titer take it front the window tar, us fntut son►ent'•er
tsvanlni‘o‘l. 11:m(11mi:ter; (IS'unildvermsaellytion,
the removal of obi
malt tax. Ile would protest against the
which was iseld out, that the repeal of that tax •
give any relief to the distresses of the c cus•4l4
.ituttry.
thiug could he snore fallacious that, 'he hole
relief. Under present circumstances, •1 • t• r%:"
trillions t 1 a skl:
ut:41111a1.1
halt'ti ie t aolf: sig
taxesnff line,
a lr rossir, at
hr w:111.1.1
.at rem.), La
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.Itty mat who well understood the true interests of the
people, could not maintain that that was the in o.'e
which should be followed for promoting the in 11
pendenee WelEtee of the country. It
devolve on him to maintain the proptiety of the ri
lotion into which the House had entered—it was
elnieonuigbletrthfaotr t
P.
petted since 1:419 to i mince the lions,- to alter tint n.
solution. Ile (laird C.) was aware of, and felt is week is
any man the depressed state of the a gricultotral interests;
but lion. licntletnett were in the habit of geurrali .
ing—and not only of generalising, hut f 0 exagger-
ating and co!ottring thens too highly. But hr would
repeat it, that it was a false and most fallacious notions.
that the a griculttis ists could obtain any relief from
the prop ism' repeal. It was on the question of low
prices, anal not of taxation, that the dei,cession of the
agricultural interests rested. AlthoottOt that tax 'lid
not gas to Coe realization of a surplus of s,s;int,cint:.;,l
proposed in the resolution of I!‘19, et there tiJS
snitch differenre between having a surplns of:l,thaymo.
land WO it g none at all. It was their dotty to maiwaia
the progress they hail already • natio. The Bove
would allow him to call to their atteation the re.osa
why that tax had been originally proposed. It hial
hero a matter of reproach to his 31:C10 sty's 31inisters,
land to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, particularly
! that they had suffered the finances of the country to
relax, anal allowed a quantity of Exchequer Bilis to
float. That had been mettle matter of reproach, acrl
no defence has made. 31inisters did not wish to call
on Parliament mail they saw what redactions could I
be made, and what sums would he toecessa,:v. On the
present there was a reduction of I,lllo,oin'f. camparrl
with last year, and they were examining what
further reductions could he ntuole.--(ifear).—Minis•ers
had forborne to call on Parliament moil they ronhl st
what romlol he dune in the way of reduction, notwith-
standing that they were often reproached with relaying
the floaters of the country. It was on these groanols
they felt justified in the proposition of Isin to raise
3.1100,900/. to meet the ne...essary demands. Ile wonlolsec
if the country could stand well at home or abroad. if
after two yeas they should be obli:•ed to retrace Outs
stei.s and repeal. throui.tli the. Malt 'l'..\. t.:se oper:Cre
system, which they had then commenced. Was the
Nlember for Essex prepared to tusasnre time in-
convenience such conduct would Fr .ye to those whose
rainse lee eAlVileateil. What hopes would sorb at
avowal give the public creditor. Ho would contrul
that the Illealgee itself would lint operate any praeli-
cal relief, but ultimate anal deploraltle distress. Ile
would repeat what he hail said before, that the qu:
waslion not lietween the House and the Govern:nes%
hut between the. House and the country. He would
nit think it proper to I e responsib'e fur the Goren-
sir nt under the hazardous eons'. eratioon that the public
cry lit or was not placed beyond danger. And he would
be sorry to be a party to the administration if Parlias
went woad refuse to place beyond despondency or
olangosr the claims of the public creditor. lie thimeltl
it unbecoming in the Legislative to recede, after dr
faring in Isl 9 that they wo.old not relax their Wens
until they would have established a surplus fund of
.:,,t1(111,11i10/. The Noble Lord concluded by saying',
that he felt he should on the present oi-easion hest per-
form his duty to the country, tt the noantlfle'
tnrers and agriculturalists, by op,aosing a nieasere,
the effect of which would he, to shake the ttl:
credit of the country, a itlsout conferr'no: any benetit
on any class.
Mr. COKE (of Norfolk) I-11w amidst loud cites
" Question," which c.,ntiaued for a enteiderabl. time.
We understood the Hots. Member to say, that the ex-
cess of taxation was the sod an I imatrolia.e cause ~f
all the distresses of the country. Ise condemned
together the system pursued by 31i:tisters, and thach
03 t
that those lion. 6entleinen who suppoo-t,•ol them
cove-
occasions, had no right to (0111111.1 in of the
gurneys to which their votes had bronglit them. lie
saw no chance of changing the system with ehangis:
the Administration. Tiny might WI: of keeping fait},
but he should be glad to know when the llor:
kept faith: He had no faith in it. nor in the No!,.
Lord's (Castlereagh's) govern.-nt. The Noble Lvtl
.
was at one sid, nd the people at the other. Ife
mom cordially e
voate for the second leading of the Ho
of his lion. Friend.
of the 'lroned"' 14'; coo.niiif:unrs'ibinenA:eicoll.ll‘iee3clutinetilllTetrtis:etNosliortilovssiestii::,nt:tdo‘ tsonttipnprobirt nttesf 1;17:11
soil other questions which hero carried pifthe
the Noble Lord opposite, he hail no reason W fear t•
derision of the question then before the flow. `111::',
ever it might he, could hare any e!!'eet on the
Lord's place in the Administration. In
Lord Fife, he (Lord A. Hamilton) thought that
ble Lord honoured by the removal. That
voted on the same question I.spt yv:tr, and in so
acted not only in conformity aitl, the wishes
constituents, but also rousistently wi It his clearari
•l
and roniluct. The Noble Lord made other olner.,ved-
dons quite inaudible from the noise which
th
through the House. Ile concluded by
saYin;':
only means of forcing Ministers to a eed"cti""
the expenditure we* be diminishing their memo:
r.?
The Karl of FIFE said, the in consequent-0,
fur
allusion mole to hint, he falon.: it reamed to tr_
inilulgenre of the Hon's whiie he trool.
e
ill'olllll. Ile was unwilling to net the tine t. 7
Howie. and indeed silence would he inn..l! more ~.r
.;enial to his feelings. lie !lad no hesitation in s•i)

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