The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-04-22 00:00:00

BANKRUPTS.

pose. of reschiding.the same.
Lord CALTHORPE presented a second Petition/
.preehely to the same effect, from Birmingham. 1.
The Duke of NORFOLK took occ..sion to ob-
serve, that the Petition jest presented had received
the signatures of mere than fourteen thousand indi-
viduals, and urged the propriety of their Lordships
paying the most serious attention to a subject of
such vital importance, and respecting which the sense
of such a large portion of their fellow-subjects was
'so decidedly expressed. •
After a few words from Earl FITZWILLIAM, •
The Earl of LAUDERDALE observed, that the
various applications to Parliament upon this import-
ant subject, strongly expressed the opinions and the
feelings of the great body of these most interested
in and affected by the measures in question. What
they alleged against those ruinous measures was
strictly founded in fact, and this he would be the
more enabled to prove, were the documents which
..le should move fcr. on Friday, ordered to be pro.
duced. The Petitioners took a right view of the
subject, and he agreed with them, as he was sure
that no measures could more effectually aid the ene-
my, than the means afforded by these Orders in
Council. They would tenu eventually to the creation ,
of a Marine for the enemy, and would, instead of '
dirninishif.g, tend to increase the supplies for those
armies with which he subjugated the Continent. He
conjured their Lordships to attend to the subject,
*lse* it alsould.,-aus lam, come under their collat.
deration, as involving points not only vitally affect: H
ing the commercial and trading interests, but even i
the national importance of the country itself.
Earl BATIIURST strongly contended that a very'
mistaken and erroneous sense of the nature and ef-
fect of the Orders in Council was entertained by
those whose real opinions were expressed in the lan-
guage they had just heard read. He would put it
to their Lordships what would he the inevitable effect
of a repeal of the Orders in Council? It would, in
fact, be to open the ports of France to importations
from the Baltic, from the United*States of America,
and various other places; it would be to transfer the
' entire advantages of a tratfic to the enemy, which
might otherwise direct itself to this country.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE, in reply, insisted
that the Petitioners in such a question were the pre-
ferable authority.
The Duke of MONTROSE deprecated all pre-
', mature discussion of a subject by no means before
the House. He contended . that the opinions of
Noble Lords on his side of the House were entitled
to as much attention and respect as those so loudly
urged by the Noble Earl. The line of argument and
tone held by Noble Lords opposite, tended to de-
ceive, instead of to inform the manufacturers upon the
subjec•. They represented that the effect of the
British Orders in Council' was to benefit the trade
an 4 the navigation of the enemy, and to divert the
tide of commerce from the ports of this island. His
concer ion of those measures was very different. He
re7arded them as making part of a wise and just sys-
tem , f retaliation against the unprincipled aud ag-
-1 gressive conduct of France, providing that where the
I neutral had not the wisdom or spirit to defend its
I rights ,he enemy s'iould not reap the advantage of
commerce, nor that the valuable products of the
IWest Indies should be carried into his ports. The
number of speeches which were made, nor the cla-
I mour which was raised against these measures, did
I not alter the nature of the question, or tend in the
least to shew their want of wisdom or justice.
TRADE TO INDIA.

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W. Sea, Milton, Kent, coal merchant, to surrender April 25,
May 2, and 30, at Guildhall, London. Attornies Messrs.
Hinde and Son. Milton, Kent ; and Messrs. Brace and Flouter,
Essex-court, Temple.
T. Lumley. Harrow-road, Paddington, stone-mason, April
'V, May 7, June 2, at Guildhall. Attorney, Mr. Harman,
Paddingtoo-green.
W. froston, Macclesfield, Cheshire, ironmonger, May 7,8,
June 2, at the Macclesfield Arms Hotel, Macclesfield. Ato- '
Dies, Messrs. Bell and Brodrick, Bow-Line, Cheapside ; and
Mr. Grimsditcb, Macclesfield.
J. ( onset, Bromyard Herefordshire, currier, May 14, 13,
June 2, at tbeFalcon Inn, Bromyard. Attornies. NI-ssrs. Tay-
lor and Son, Featherstone-buildings, Holborn, London; and
Messrs. Wegatington and Dangertield, Bratayard, Hereford-
shire.
M. R. Barker and J. Noon, Leicester, worsted-spinners,
April 27, `214, Jane 2, at the White Hart Inn, Leicester. At-
lantic, Mr. Lawton, Leicester ; and Mr. Taylor, John-street,
Bedford-row.?
T. Bell, Abiwick, Northumberland, scrivener, May 15, 16,
June 2, at the White Swan Inn, Alnwiek. Anoraks, Messrs.
lambert, Alswiek ; and Mr. Malmsey, Staple lan.
T. Hill and 11. \Vend, Queenhirbe, London, oilmen, April
18, May 5, Jane 2 at Guildhall. Attornies, Messrs. Bovlll
and Tustin, New Bridge-street, Blackfrips.
G. Noel, East Stonehenge, Devon, lime,barner, May 5,6,
June 2, at the King's Arms, Plymouth. Anoraks, t,tessrs.
Drewe and Loxham, New Ion; and Messrs. Gregg, Ply-
mouth.

The Earl of DERBY presented a Petition from
the Magistrates and Council of the town of Liver- ;
pool, alleging the advantages of opening a trade to
the East Indies, and praying to be allowed a partici- i
pation in the same. The Noble Earl also presented
two other petitions from the same quarter; one from
certain Merchants, Traders, and Ship-owners, of the
town and port of Liverpool ; and the second from
the-Trustees, I:c.. of the Wet Docks established at
that port to a similar effect. These Petitions being
' read in the usual way, were ordered to lje on the
table.
Lprd Viscount MELVILLE presented a Petition
to the like effect from Dunfermline, in Scotland.—
Ordered to lie on the table.-
Earl GREY took the opportunity to enquire of
.Ministers when they intended to bring forward a
subject of such great commercial and national im-
portance as that to which the Petitions referred, un-
der the consideration of the House ?
The Earl of-BUCKI NGHANISIIIRE adverted to
the difficulty, under the circumstances, of giving a
precise or specific answer to the query of the Noble
Earl. The measures to be adopted would; in all
probability originate in another place. lie was,

• J. Worhall and J. ThUrsou, Catharine-street, Strand, up-
holsterers, May 2,9, June 2, at Guildhall. Attorney, Mr.
Vincent, Bedtord-atreet, BedSord-square.
J. Swan, R. Anderson, and G. Swats, Wappinc.wall, mer-
chants, April 28, May 5, Jane 2, at Guildhall. Attornies,
Messrs. Krastey and Spun, Bkhopsgate-street-within.
G. A. Wylie, Waenford-coart, Thre.mnorton-atreet. merchant,
April 26, May 2, June 2, at Guildhall. Attornies, Messrs.
Bell and Brodrick. Bow-lane.
J. Coopey, Gloucester, hom-dealer, April 90, May 1 Jane
t, at the Rani Inn, Gloucester. Attewnies, Mr. J. Meekiar,
• Nare-court. Temple; and Mr. W. C. Ward, Gloucester.
11. Faris*, New-street, Covent-garden, hardwares:an, April
96. May 3, June* at Guildhall. Attornies, Messrs. Barrow,
and Vincent, Rasinghall-street.
W. Idkc•ell, Judd-street, Brunswick-square, builder, May
*9. June* at Guildhall. Attorney, Mr. H. Turner, Ferry-
men:a, Emitord-so Imre.
J. Can, jun. Rochdale, Laneasbire, woldlen-inanufactarer,
May 6,7, June 2, at the Roebuck Inn, Rochdale. Attornies,
• Mmsrs. Shuttleworth, Rochdale; and Mr. M... CtslPPe
berjeant's lan, Fleet-sireet.
H. Smithers and Cu. Newport Mothnouthabirs, coal-ma:Om,
April 95, May It, June 2, at Guildhall, Landon. Attornies,'
/feasts. Collins and Waller, Spital-square,
J. Robinson, Kir 3stots-n poo.llu 11, tailor,. A pril 24,28, June
It, at the White Hart Tavern, KitsFst
J. Crawther, Manchester. victualler • 4,6, jun, 2, at
the Bridgewaisr Arms, klanebiater. 'AmagcnMesrs.
-Wad and Ainsworth, 'lllanchester ; tom. Milne and
Carry, Temple.
(Dioldeltds, kr. tea-wormi.)

therefore. unable to say, at what period they would him :• gamely, that upon this great and itnpothint
Come under the consideration of their Lordships : question ; a question not only .of such deep commer-
bat of this he was quite sure, that whenever the mea- vial interest but of great military and im-
sures should be brought forward in that House, there portance ; and more so' than any that ever came
would be no anxiety on the part of his Majesty's Go- , under the consideration ef Parliament ; a question
vernment to precipitate the discussion, but that full i that involved all the vital, all the dearest principles
and ample time would be afforded for them ; and as ;of Legislation and Government, and all that con-
-Ito the period, it would then be for their Lordships cerns'thiS vast Empire, and which, he thought he.
to determine whether the application of their time, should be able to prove, under all the circumstances,
or the measures in question, were the most im- had been administered so well, and so deeply felt by
portant, all ; they should be told, at the present time, It was
Earl GREY observed, that by what he could col. not intended the subject should be regularly delibe-
lect from the Noble Earl, if was at this moment uns rated upon resolutions proposed by both Houses Of
certain whether any measure would at all be pro- Parliament, involving all the principles on which
posed on the subject ; but that at all events if melee such a question should be decided. What had been
sures were to be proposed, they would not originate I the former practice should not, in his opinion, be
in that Rouse : so that their Lordships would be left new a question, but what would be the preferable
without as opportunity of exercising their judgmentsi made dr principle for deciding the question at present
until the time was passed when a full and dellbealtle- -=4-truestion respecting the AdtniaistrftSiOnof•t}o%.
consideration, as to what that jodgmeot should: 1. ! senanastat, of more relative importent*, perhaps,
could take place. He would be,glad to know what Ithan`Parliament • had -ever yet to &side on ;. that .
chance could exist in the present Session for that full i they should hear that House was hot to exercise its
and deliberate discussion ? It was now approaching judgment upon the first fundemental principles upon
the end of April—the measures were not to originate' which the question should be considered: He be-
in that House, and he had to ask how it was moraliy lieved that the general basis upon which that Govern-
possible their Lordships could have that full and ment was now carried on was the right one—but it
ample time for deliberation they were told of? He was a basis upon which many improvements may well
trutted the House would not suffer itself to be trifled be founded. He was of opinion some general prin.
witi. ciples, as a foundationlor their system of measures,
The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE contended, I should be primarily agreed upon by both Houses, in
tint. nothing which had fallen froM him warranted the way of conference : the opinion of both Houses,
the language of the Noble Earl. From what he said !so expressed, should form the basis of this great
it lid not necessarily follow, that the measures might I work, and he could not avoid expressing his *std.
not originate in that House : he had, however, no I nishment that Ministers should think it right to lay
dilficulty in stating, that it wan certainly not intended any other as a basis 'for the proceeding in this great
ties the measures should originate is that House. I work, than the sense and opinion so expressed by
Lord GRENVILLE observed;'lif "was with sin- both Houses of Parliament.
care and conscious conviction that he'now appealed I Earl STANHOPE called to the recollection of
to their Lordships' own feelings, whether there did , their Lordships, that there was a Bill of considera-
net appear in the King's present Government, a, ble importance before them, for the bettering the
Axed intention to annihilate the consequence of that i condition of the peasantry and tenantry of Great
House.—[Some of their Lordships cried No, No!] Britain and Ireland. He now gave notice, he
—4his conclusion he made from a thorough observe- should move the second reading of that Bill on
tbn of their conduct upon every important business Friday next ; . and now moved, that the Lords be
tley brought forward; it was studiously and purpose- summoned for that day, which was ordered accord-
!! delayed until a period when an adequate degree of ingly.
deliberate and particular attention could not be given PETITION AGAINST CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION.
by their Lordships. His Noble Friend tit the head The Duke of GLOUCESTER presented a Peti-
of the Indian Department told them, and at the same tion from the University a Cambridge, in conse-
erne when the manufacturers of the country were im- quence, he observed, of the high office he hall the
ploring the House fur some relief and mitigation of. honour to hold with' respect to that great and learned
1 their distresses ; when their table was loaded with. body. As far as related to his presenting the Peti-
I Petitions, imploring them to take the subject into I tion, he wished it to be understood, that he did not
• consideration that it was swt tim' iwtenti°4- of the. any wad *line either in 'favour or against the
King's Government that the measure should be important quistioti which was about tb tome soder
brought forward in that House. A declaration to discussion. His Highness then delivered the Pell-
'that effect he never before heard. It was their duty tion to.the Clerk, the prayer of which, for the rat-
to bring the matter equally before that House to.the sons assigned, ens, that no farther concessionsshoidd.
; formal and legitimate consideration of their Loran be made to the Roman Catholics, &c. It was or-,
ships ; they were not to sit with their hands folded dered to lie on the table.
until it should please Ministers to bring the matter The Earl of HARDWICKE took the opportu.
round to them. It was doubtful whether they could nity to state some circumrtances respecting the pro-
' enter into the question at all this Session. But if it duction of ihiPetition just presented: He adverted
were brought forward at such a period of the year; to the shortness of the notice from which numbersin •
what opportunity could they have for a full and de- the University, especially several heads of hopses,
liberate discussion ? lie must condemn the way in were not apprised of such an extremely important
which Government hie! treated that House with re- measure being iteagitation. The Petition, even under•
spect to this great national question ; their delays such circumstances, was far from being unanimous)" •
were wilful. It appeared that, with their Parliament agreed to; and he stated some divisions that t •
in Leadenhall-street, they had been debating the sub- place, one of which was '2l to 19., The opinions
ject for five years. The public interest, and the he held on the question to which he referred were
convenience of that House, were equally unheeded known, and in these be was decidedly fixed, and
-by tbfin• these he should declare, notwithstanding his high
• The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he would never respect for the majority who voted the Petition.
permit it to be asserted, there was a deliberate inteu- The Marquis of LANSDOWNE followed, and
I dun, on the part of Government, to degrade- that stated some further circumstances relative'to the pro-
House, without pointedly alleging, on.the part of duction of the Petition, in order to show that sutfi-
. that Government, that on every occasion, they had
event time or notice was not given of the intention to
to submit measures of importance to the considers-
hold the meeting. He concurred in the statements of
tion of their Lordships, they had duly consulted the the Noble Earl who had just spoken, and begged
character, the dignity, and the deliberative functions leave further to add, that if many other persons than
of that House. His Noble Friend had stated the those alluded to, had been aware of the intention,
very reverse of what the Noble Baron bad asserted, they would have attended for the purpose of nega-
I namely, that ample time, would be given for full de- tiving the Petition. He concluded by observieg, that.
i liberation on this most important subject. Ile must though he entertained very different sentiments than
I also state, that what was said as to the season of' the those expressed in the document in question, yet 'he
y_ear, was an observation ef an irregular nature.—
No season of the year was improper for deliberation. deemed it entitled to attention, as the Address of the
University of Cambridge, in its corporate capacity ;
[Hear If any criminal neglect, or deliberate in• though the Resolution was only assented to by 58
tention to delay existed on the part of Ministe,,, it Members of that University.
i may, according to the circumstances of the case, be (74'P-IMM: QUESTION:.
a regular ground of accusation. But when this was Lord DONOUGHMOR 141, in rising to address
not the case, no objection to any particular season, I their Lordships on so momentous a subject as that of
as a season not fitting for deliberation, could be well ;the Catholic Claims, wished first to guard himself
founded. The subject in question, though one pro- I against one objection which might be made to his
per to be taken up as early as possible, yet as it re- j bringing forward this subject at this time ; it might
spected the term of the Company's Charter, was one I be said, that it had already undergone discussion in
iwhich afforded an interval of two years.from the pre- ! the coarse of the present Session in both !louses of
sent period. That the question must originate in one I Parliament ; but he would observe, that on both
House before it could be taken up in the other, was i nights, when it had come before Parliament, it had
in the necessary course of things. Their Lordships come incidentally, and was by no means the pare-
' would recollect, that this very subject, when last it mount object which it waeintended Should occupy
was under general consideration, originated in the their attention. If it were still contended, that,
other House, and at a much later period of a Ses- though not ostensibly, it had been virtually designed,
sion than the present. [Hear, hear!] And he he must remind their Lordships of certain circum-
begged Jeave to say, that the magnitude and import- stances which would make it obvious that it had
ance of this subject was as muds regarded and felt by I been discussed under disadvantages, such as would
his Majesty's servants, as by any other description entitle the advocates of the Catholics to again bring
of persons in the country ; but it was one which oh- it forward. It was clear that many 'lndividuals
viously required to be fully weighed and investigated i who would have come forward under ordinary
by Government as well as Parliament; and it was I circumstances to deliver their opinions, had with-
their intention to afford the fullest time for Parties n drawn them on the occasion alluded ° to,' wishing
mentary deliberation,• and for the consideration of ; to wait till the Administration, which was at that
the interests of all those parties who were involved' time in an imperfect stale, should be filled. Others
in the subject. i might have wished to have tgiveu a Noble Earl, who
The Marquis WELLESLEY observed, that one ; was known to be particularly hostile to thnooctlacoittl-s
time may be as proper for legislative deliberation as of the Catholics, time to make his es.cape,
another ; yet, nit the other hand, he meet say, It ' sidering him es a neceitsary fixture in the Govern-
was with considerable regret he heard n part of what' ment; but whether solit!ny might he allowed to she
fell from his Noble Friend, who well knew the de- Pervious he had advancedfor net choosing to s'on.idp
gree of. respect, esteem,. and love which he bore the subject proposed for the discussion of dew

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