The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-02-08 00:00:00

Ninnies 6289.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS.—Tanunmv.
Ws day their Lordships met at Isalf-put three
v'eleck•
The Doke of Dveatuaaar took tie oaths and his
amt es his cleweda to the Dukedom.
tent CAWOOIII took the oaths aid kis seat, on 141 -
ViltaiN6 to the title.

/TATE Of lIILAND.
ibe Earl sY LIVERPOOL rose, to give notice
Opole should, tomorrow, more that the standing
wins Nes. 26 aid 145 be suspended.
The Lien of LANSDOWNE, perceiving that
the iwaies, of which the Noble Earl bad given notice
eaatmpMed some farther increase of the powers vest-
., is the Government of lrelead, wished to call their
Lerdships' swaths to there/Ors which had bees laid
was sheen the subject. Ile situderellsod frotdothe
Neare Sal, that the growl spat which idditio
mire was sailed for, was tended di • repass
ties mode to his Majesty's Ministers by doe Govern-
mos et Wood, as to the innisieney of site nim-
bi ion la the perms on their Lordships' able. he
speed a such represestatles made, and he would say.
that the sootiest aldose ought to be adduced is
,spper s
lof the oecessity of the case before any new:
meassres were adopted. He would, therefore. ask the
Usk Earl to peens, say desmstsh be might have
received from doubt& Goveresselle. which iodised
Ms to call for as Scream of the saistisg laws in that
reastry. With the excepts. Bono solitary instance,
the lasansetiest Act was net eves recognised in the
slscessets is question. *or was there any opinion ex-
pressed by Ss Lord Lientenst ea the subject. He
whited for the best Mama before he agreed to so
*lest se set as the aspeasies of their Standing
Orders, aid this for the ist,educs .1 violist Into
Sive measeres.—(Hat, hear.)
The Earl of LITHE/POOL said, that if aee increase
of power to the Irish Ouverseseet should be approved
el by the other brooch .f the Legislature, he
doubted set but their lordships would see sedlicient
time to *mimes is the rosamme. It Could sot be
expected, aertedieg le the soul nano, that the Go-
Teramest el Ireland sheet{ etas the precise groans
apes whisk they formed their opinion, as to the ne-
cessity of Sens.. It was clear that attain facts
might be caseated with the am...twin made by
the Lord iAesoesent of !reload to his Majesty's
elfffflatftt, which It would am be ceseistiest to lay
Wore Parliamest. He bad so wish to prom the sea-
mre for asy kirk el time Uread the secessity of
the cironsetasseos wake which it °agitated. The
vial* Inas. weslisomenaler the discessios of Far-
hat& Scar *net but k wee no obviously neer
Ir~lMkiVelsiiiftliAte. bear ;rine was as bathe
possible &sty astern as toriheirliheilen.
Lord RLIANIIOIOUGH thought it pry mange
that, Welk addition) pewees were sailed foe, sot a
wad woo said se to the muse of the evil. This was
Net &agog fairly with those Noble Lords who, like
Waif, had as immediate conettin with !related
jsd who, therefore. soled sot law whether it might
fie expedient to adept harsh err °oscillatory measures.
*An alei Orange Ibex the yeomanry had sot boss
ImlkLaski the South of hiked, where the outrages
Wain place, bat is the North, which was repro.
lend Is be as peaceable.
Lord ROLLAND' deprecated the awns which had
iren pursued by the Noble Earl opposite. The Noble
Earl said it was act usual, is such cases, to lay the
gonads of the opision befit, Parliaments ; bet be
(Lied Honied) would say that the grinds ought to
be clear and masifest. From the outrages that had
been committed is Indeed, there was, unhappily, too
*orb reams to belle,* that addition) force was pe-
nury; bit, judging from the papers oa their Lord.
ships' table, he saw no grounds for giving any addi-
tion! power. to the Executive. He, for on, mold
softer agree to • measure amnesia' the character even
of military law, thee to the measure which he under-
mood it was the Noble Earl's lineation to propose. He
heisted that all the explanatory docueseste that could
for fe °dead ought to be laid epos the table, before
toy agreed to place father powers im the hands of
the Irish Government twenty-two years after the
Usion.—(Rear, hear.)
Lord KING spoke briefly to the saws effect. He
em Id sot coaceire why the documents on which the
us
realest of irelaad formed their opinion should
isot be laid before the 1100110.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH could set but think it
"Solar that notice should be give. of the
of Ate Stasdiag Orders, when their Lordships as
yes so Parliamentary krowlege of any Bill to be
iet-
trodeced as the immedis to consequence.
After a few other observations ea the past of order
between the Lolls COAX CJILLOZ, the Earl of beta.
oat, and Lord Hou.s.ro, their Lordships were or-
dered to be summoned for to-mortolre--AdjOIMISIL
HOUSE OP COMMONS.—Tutrasatv.
The

SPEAKER tookthe Chair at tea minutes to
liar o'clock.

Mr. W. DUNDAS presented a Petition from the
Magistrates of Edinburgh. complaining of the lax
state of the police of that city.
ABERCRONRY presented a similar petition
from the Beam, Commis, loners of the Police of Edin-
burgh. Both referred to a Committee.
Sir W. CURTIS pee sodal. that on Thursday
ant he would as,, for a Committee to inquire lato
the state of Load°. bridge.
Serves! mew Weathers took the oaths.
Mr. Alderman WOOD moved, titst as Address be
Pretested to the Kier, praying that the evidesee takes
64°,0 the Commieshmers. together with their Report
apes the state of lkitester gaol, be MU before thell
Heger.

Mr. Moms. WOOD no lo a similar notion for
the predicates a fin Report of the Magistrates of
%mem alt Oa Was sabjaMm.-Ordered.

" The Cause for which HAMPDEN fell in the Field, aed SkDdlar died

Mr. DAWSON moved for an Address to his Ma-
jesty praying him to order the last Report of the Vac-
cine Board to be laid before the Honse.—Ordered.
Mr. LENNARD gave notice, that he would oa the
22d instant move an Address to the King, pray*
him to recommend to this Hoes* a revision of. and
reduction is the several branches of the Civil List.—

Me &eatid!"

foreign and domestic, but the House having negatived
every proposition founded ottt documents, and
continued their support to Minis it was the de-1
tided °pinto@ of the petition petitioners that
they could expect no relief from a House so corrupt
and defective as that was proved to be without a re-
form, the want of which was the true ruse of all the
evils which e#ptessed the country. If any thing were
wand*, to pries the correctness of these ideas, it
would be found In the statement of the Hos. Member
for Kerner a former evening. That Hos. Gentleman
had not scrupled to tell them that no relief could be'
expected headrests such measures as Mini might
think fit to propose. Here was a statement to offer to
the House of Commons. He, however, ought not to
wonder at such language coming front one who held
a situation and received such emoluments as be bad
enjoyed seder the present Government. He then
koregberp thin petition.
Sir L SMATCHBULL, after the persoual alletions
made to Mm, would ask any Member of that House,
whether he should not be guilty of a dereliction of bis
duty if be abstained from trespassing on their time
for a few moments. He wished, in the first place, to
explaio wit* be had said, and what he thought bad
been considerably misrepresented, and to deny what
he bad been charged with by the Honourable Gentle-
man, from cams or motives which were best known
to that Hasourable Gentleman himself. To the
charges respecting his public situation he would give
a roorlasive answer. Had be merited the reflection
thrown on him, tie county he bad the honour to re-
present, would never have returned him to Parliament.
He hoped the House would pardon him if he spoke
with some warmth on this subject. If he had said
any thing that could warrant the inference which had
been drawn from what had fallen from bim on a for-
mer night, be should be unworthy to hold she situa-
tion be filled. He had not said, that oo beneficial
measure could be proposed but on one side of the
House. What he bad said with regard to a particular
question was this, that it might be for the best inter-
ests of the country, that the measures to be propounded'
by Goverment should be first brought better/41st
House, and that if these should sot be found to supply
the desired remedy, then would be the time for the
°estimate opposite to offer any other .ikopositioo,
which they 'night think It would be for the good Alf
the cowry to adopt. He agreed with the Hee.
Member who had preseotid the Petition, as so Oaten-
tent of she distress felt In the agricultural districts,
and would~{adl~ support any measure that promised
to sup* est relict Bet feeling as be did, and
sot king pommel of the experience of the Hen.
Goodannathite mold soy, that to bim it appeared no.
wise to mix up Ober gentian with what esaceried
tialsumildoloportant subject, and taller such a course
wooed pedyllajere tie nab ditty whited to verve. Ile
csr= =on h
xKs wadhiehherra said of
abeiloinn.
Gestfumon et this question. If be would consent to
wait for a short time, till Ministers bad brought for-1
ward the measures which they bad to propose, the '1
lion. Gentleman would find him prepared to do his
duty. by those who had done him the honour to send
hi" fa. their. representative,- : _
BRQUOHAM said, ne the Honourable Member
alluded to •certain commend which be, in the dis-
charge of his duty, had made on what had fallen
from him (Sir E. Knatchball) in the discharge of
hie, be must claim to be allowed to go hack to that
debate. He bad listened to the former explanation
which be had given, and to his sew explanation
(which was perfectly consistent with its predecessor),
and having dons so he must 'confess that he was un-
able to discover any the slightest incorrectness in what
he had described him to have said at first, and he
would venture to add, that there was so man who had
beard the Hon. Baronet, and who bad heard bill (Mr.
Brougham) who would not say that he bad rightly
understood and accurately represented what the Hon.
Baronet bad stated on a former occasion.

Mr. WODRHOUSR supported the prayer of the
petition. It laid great stress on the reductions which
eight to be made i■ every part of the public expendi-
ture. This be c.aceived was properly done. He
stood is a very &Beate situation, having voted against
the proposed redaction of the military last year. He
would, however, wish to see reductions in the civil
&pensions awl that immediately. As Ministers bad
'summed it to be their intention to make considerable
redaction, he thought some communication ought to
be made ea this subject to the Hoes*. To repeal the
welt duty might be a relief to counties where a great
deal of barley may be grown, but it would not ma-
wildly benefit others. Having briefly touched on the
description of relief wanted, be noticed the conclud-
ing prayer of the Petition for Reform. He did not
sniciently well auderstand what Reform was wanted
to approve of this part of the Polities. and eonld wish
other subjects kept distinct from that which so impe-
riously denuded immediate relief.
Mr. LOCKHART hoped to see both Whigs and
Tories unite to relieve the landed interest. Economy
and retrenchment, be was of opinion ought to be re-
sorted to, and carried so far as to restore the equili-
brium which bad been lost by the decline in the price
of agricultural produce. In addition to the other dif-
ficoltks with which they had to contend, the landed
invent bad to sestain then becessarily thrown upon
them from a diuminutiou of the currency. They were
in the *itemise of the unfortunate Israelites, when the
Roptian task-masters required them to make bricks
without straw. or like the same people at a subsequent '
period of their history, they might complain that the
little finger of their pretest riders had become thicker
than the loin of their former Government had been.
He did sot impute to Ministers that callous hearted-
sees which the Hes. Gentlesnoe had ascribed to them.
He believed them taxless to remedy the evil. bat he
found their judgment was assessed. If public credit
won to be supported, it should be by relining the
loaded latotow, for log dodos this they would destroy
the ha has which doe mum of paying the public
osoillor &sold Sow. lot beam* airs woo some 1..