The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-04-19 00:00:00

CISII P.tYMENTS.

The English and Irish Bank Cash Payments Bills
went respectively through Committees, and the report•
were received.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMON&

Mr. RICHARDSON presented the Report of the Co•it-
missiuuers appointed to superintend the buildines
Chnrche•.

On the motion of Mr. Holmes. a new writ was

.irdeled to be issued for the return of a K tight t
serve in the present Parliament, in Cue roam of t!.e
Marquess of L ~11,,nderry, late Lord Castlereagh,
member for the Como) of Down, Ireland.
Mr. CU RIVEN presented Petitions from revain
tie:trent of the Soil, Inhabitants of
Levengen, complaining of Agrieultu:al
Ordered to be pi ;mei].

METROPOLITAN ROADS.
Mr. D. GILDER brought up the Report of the
Committee on the Metropolitan Roads Bill.
Mr. Critll'EN hoped the printing of this Rill
would not be postponed to so late a period of the
Session as was intended. He th iught it would he in
compliance with the wish of the House not to press
this Rill ttrongls any niori• of its sle4es this Sesiion•
It might he pri%ted And brought forward early in the
ensuing Sessi.m.
Ur. D. GILBERT was not iodised $ delay the,
Bill Ineyond the present Rlsaioi. "It rat tiPtsr
amended in the Cuutniittee as to meet with general
approbation.
Sir H. PARNELL said, he should always oppose the
Bill.

After some fortlier observations from Mr. II •NT-
soon and Mr. Crawss, the Bill ssas ordered to be re-
romitted mt the 911. of May nest.

Mr. IIONI1V001) presented a Petition from cer-
tain Inhabitants of Blackheath, praying that t'.e

Qneen might he reinstated in all her rights and privi-
leges.—Laid on the table.

STEAM ENGINES.

Mr. M. A. TAYLOR rose to trenhle the House for
a few minutes with a few ohgervations, in pnrsto ince
of the motion of which he h:►.l given nctico, relative
to the state of the I rws on the subject of public nui-
sances. The in,•oneenienee of th.. smoke i•sninp
from lame ruanufi•:'ories he tulles-ell was well tinnier',
and bad hi en felt by a great proportion of the Mem-
bers of th it House. In all ca-es it was unpleasant
and inconvenient, and in most unhealthy an I destruc-
tive of property. Many persons were „hlig•ed ti SA.

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cribre their property to their health from sxperieneine
the nuisance of being near some great fnriace. One
instance pereliarly hard had c tinder hie own ob-
servation, of a Cletgyman who kept a school at Bat-
tersea, and after having laid out Large sums of money
to increase his house and grounds, was tar:tinily
obliged to leave the spot under a great depreciation of
his property, becan-e of the establi•lonent of a steam
engine in the neighbourhood. When be had coiti.
plained of snrh eases he hail been told that there was
a remedy by law ; but he now Wotan the House, that
the mode of obtaining remedy by I tw, whic:t was
by indictment in such cases, was so expensive as to
induce people in mart instances to leave the plitee,
rather than take the course of the law, and it was on
this aerontat that he now applied to the House.
order that the House might satisfy t:.eittielv..s that the
abatement of the nuisance w.ts practicable. he referred
them to a statement he had Ilia ie on the 'abject, wi3en
in the last Session he apprell far a Select Commit:et.
to consider how far the evil in question, as issuin!
front steam engines, could he abate". Ile thou state.:
that he had witnessed several aditiira,!r inventions for
that purpose, which now completely answered the de-
sired effect. One in partienlar he referred to by Mr.
Parkes, whic't hail been so snecessfally used at a large
manufactory at Warwick, that nut of s•yeral citimesies
belonging to the building he was unable to discover
which was the nn belonging to the furnace. He bail
witnessed a similar application of Mr. Parke's plan,
and felt the agreeable effects of it in a mannfact .ry at
Lambeth, which, before this means of prevention was
applied, so much annoyed him that he could not walk
in his garden when the wind happened to be in a par-
ticular quarer. There could indeed be uo doubt that
the means ef remedying this evil were within the
reach of all ; and when the House considered the great
prejndire to the health which malted from the preva-
lence of thi• nuisance in all the principal towns in the
kingdom, he was sure they would be digitated to ar-
cede to Its proposition for placing a proper con-
struction iii, the existing laws. The purport of the
Bill he sli propose to bring in would he to Kier
the po .9- to a Conti of Justice i.l which an indictment
I should bc. p:eferrcal against the 19 optietve ui a steam

pray of the barren bills of Cornwall, or of any other
part of the country, to prosecute the proprietors of the
large steam-engines erected on some of those bilk
great inconvenience wculd arite to the community iu
general.
Mr. D. GILBERT would go the fnU leagtia with
the lion. Mover in restraining the nnisances esteem-
en4ines in small and large fauns : but he hoped the
Hun. Gentleman would well weigh, in framing the
provisions of this Bill, the injure and injustice that
might b done to large and votnoble concerns, situated
in quortors remote from towns, by Rising facilities to
evil disposed intlividuols to indict the weight of the
law upon them.
Sir M. W. RWIET supported the motion. There
were M. many ingenious inventions fur the sn,preseion
of the evil that no excuse, he thought, existed for
the proprietors stcani-entinet not patting it into
practice.
3lr. GRENFELL concurred in the utility of the
proposed measure, lint at the same time he hard due
iter.•ii!eration wool', he given to the hint thrown out
relative to the application of this Bill to large strain-
engines for particular purposes, in particular spots.
Mr. S. WORTLEY did not see why the remedy
sbotild not be applied to steam-engines iu the country,
distiiiit from town ai well as in other places. Hun.
Mritihers who did not live iu the country did not Lnuw
the inconvenience resulting• from the establishment of
strom-eng;it is near their residences.
Mr CI 'RIVEN thought great benefit might accrue
froni the Bill, but core ought to be takes in fixing the
extent of its uprrati .n.
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Mr. Alderman WOOD assured the Hon. Member
that if he persisted in making his Hill apply to all
stemu-engines of whatever construction or purpose, or
whet esorver situated, he would be in gi cat danger of
lobi.iLf it altogether. He would bring- the a hole forty-
two Members fur Cornwall on his back, and they
wi.tkout pang in that. (laws; Gar in that
-Miory were established a vast number of powerful
steam-engines for working the mines, and it tiwse en-
gines were to stop only fur twelve hours, we'd an e.!l.
periment should be made for the nature describeii by
the Hon. Member, the consequence would be, that
water would get into the mina and ruin it. It was
impossible, therefore, that the Members for Cornwall
tionlil peewit a Hill to go through that House which
wfiult.l rain the whole country. and he did not think
the Hun. Member could wake out a case to satisfy the
Ilouu against them.
Mr. 11..1. TAYLOR said he had been eomiletely
inisnrderstood. It was t,:oncltt that he voior4eO ;o
introdtve a new Lin-, whereas he was only il.sieing
uri lain the old law. If he was obliged to confine
opera:i.m of the Hill .o :owns uuly, he would with-
;raw it, as it would do ha-m rather than g.,0i1. tie
did act know why he was to b-• ilet.•rreil by forty tw-
M. tubers from Cornwall, and he was sure lie could
make not a ease v. CA would overcome their great
4trength in that House.

Mi. LEX.N.IIII) pregented a petition c onp:
of Asricultursi 11i,tro-4, from Aveley, in Suffolk.—
thr4io ed to he printed.
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Mr. WESTERN pr.-sentesl a petition from the Ma-
t haws, Tra,hrs. anti :',l•lnufacturers or Colcitester.—
I .•e !louse It conld be surprised to h-ar the secitie sta-
ture of this Pmition. They had found out that their
pro-verity dep-ntled on that of the agriculturists. and
.isey .:r.ty d the House to grant additional protection
to ttse Agricaltur:st, stain; that if that class was not
nch •1. the!r present state of distress. they moo. all
he :ovo!sen in one co onion min.—it:lmi, and orticted
be printed.
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The tionottrahle Mamava then presented a similar
Petition Icoui Int:port, in Essex.—Ortlared to be

Fri: tel.

Mr. J. SMITH gave notice of his intention to 1414.11 T
s.•oa af•er the recess. f.r I •are to brio,,• in a Wit si-
n:i!ar to that he bad w rcd for last year, to awt•nd ti‘ •
ltatikrapt haws, bnt not comprisine so min), objects.
Sir t.. NOEL, nrwed fur an account of the expel4i-
sure of the whiney Ttlt d by Parliament for the
in! of the nesv street, wick th • nansts of tae l.o:utn's-
siu•:ers, and of the itersons who had received any of it.
3!r. I.XS/lINOTtOii hope,' th,• (La Baronet would
postpone his ..:otion f-r the :rrese•tt. as zhe infornritioa
s•ouitl he offered with much greater facility at a more
aiiran..rd period.
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Sir OEL assented. and the notice was with.

drawn.

Air. HARBORD obtained leave to bring la a Bi
to regulate the titkio4 ani bale of bread.

ARMY AND ORDN INCE ESTIMATES.

Lord PALMERSTON moved, that the House re.
solve itself into a Committee of Supply.

IIt7ME stated, before the iiouge went into a
Counnittze, that as it was antiers:ood to be ne;ess try
that the supplies of every service in the army shou1:1
be rated benwe the recess, it was not the wish of lien-
denten on his side of the House to make ai!y eppo•
sition to them in detail.—(itear.)--it was, however,
upon au understandinz that the rep at wunt:i not hr
it:O.TM up tell after the recess, a hen th ui,cu%sion
‘vould be taken upon it.
CoIoneI:DAVIES Wi‘bed to know whether the
Right Hod. (ientieusan oppo:ite Want) meant to

Sir 11. WILSON took that opportunity of calks
upon the Noble Lorl timiosite, or some offi:ial per-on.
to disavow a charge which he found made upon tl. •
Army and Navy ia genceal, in the report of some pi )-
cee•iin4s in the Court of Justiciary in E.linburgh.
The report he alluded to made 3 Mr. Archibald A. -
Berson charge an intik iilual with signing false :
turns, to which the Lo il President replied, that tl e
signing false pay lists was a practice very prevalent in
the Army and Navy. He (Sir Robert Wilson) did tait
mean t.i say that this was a true charge, but there u.::s
one practice relative to the purchase of couttnissioi:-,
which he should stanch wi'h to see exploded. He al-
luded to the paper the officer purchasing was oblige,l

t.s sign, declaring on his %turd of honour, as an a
firer and a glortleman. that he lint not given, directiv
or indirectly. 'woe than the sum lioniud by his MA•
jesty's regulation. It was notorions that officers
the ;troy acted in violation of this every day, and it
we' t eery hard thing that they should be subject t..
a Court Martial for so doing-. tie hoped that the ec r-
!ideate imposed on the ollieer would be done au-.+v
oath; fur to prevent the practice was, he is as con-
sin-r•l, out of the power of the Commander-in-Chief.
Lord PALMERSTON said that with respect to tit.•
ecract which the CAilant Member had flow .1
Nett spap. r, he nal at a loss to know to it hat practis e
it al.whl; for so far from the:c beinz in the army
any practice of sigai.l4 pay-iist,, any &hoer
convicted of Si) lioing, would be brought to a Court-
llartial he ignotoinionsly dismissed the army for
such an act. With respect to the other practice. he
did not l•-now what "ranger •eass of prrvention they
cool I t +kr, than what was quoted by the Gallica
alember.

sir K. IVILstIS sail, it was that certificate Lt
11.1.44 a ImooliFroasieasedli

Mr. II I'ME repeated the ease Instanced by the Hen.
3l!•at'oer fur Southwark. The ease was, that a COll-
- was made against a Captain Br.,tett, Sitperi!l•
tendant of the Police at Edinburgh, fur having knoa-
iubtly signed returns of persons on the establislamerz
to receive par, a Bich, not being pres• nt, they were w.t
entitled to receive. Th.. individual Hunted I.om the
newspaper stated, that the circuut•tance of Capt.
Brows having signal false musters WO, in hib upinlos.
otiicieut to entitle Ititta to be removed fr..itt his situ-
The Lurd President wbo chose to oppose his
removal, the inhabitants of the place hal Ion.;
wished it, in his Jefence said, that it was a praai.e
which existed in the 3; in: to sign false Pay Lists. he
(Mr. Itume) must bay, that for thirty years he hal
lisowu acy thing of the Army and Nary, no such pra.-
:ice had existed. Ile hoped the Noble Lord (Palm. ;-
vim) would sapi.ort hi.a in this denial.
Sir J. YORKE s ud, he isnew nothing of Capt-t:a
Brown, or th:: e:reuat,tauce of his having forged 1`,,1r
Lists.

Witllll.

Mr. lit hi.ggel pardon for iit;errui ting the
llonanrah:e Liar.sii2t, but be wiaheil to put boo right
as to what Ise ( slr. Hum) said. lie did not charge
Capt. lir inn wit!' forging. lie reroived 500/. a ycar
for his ',l:nation. awl had vontinu•il soapy )ears to
sign lists of peoiiiiis as eaikient, whom hr knew nut
Ns he there. Ile only wished to have a disavowal of
the char-.;e t!se Army and Navy, brought b 1
the Lord le:;t.

L )rd PALM giLSTON begged to state is the most
liotiort Ani (tail tirJeal oianuee, that officers signing
t's I• • re:turns : 'oe gnil:y of one of the highest
off,nces an I:rn i:: the Army, and the regulations to:
tl:e Army atria le:I • becl,s, rendering it scarcely possi-
ble fur to be dune, and it certainly was of
thr u.n.arience.

Sir Z. HARVI:I; uid Dot cauceive sacb s thing pos.
sih'r iu tLe Naty.

Sir U. (.I.l:itli W3S sore that the report of the oh-
serra:io:: of ;he ;mr4 President was ia,-nrri•ct. Le
.lid ,t .01 .itt the uteri:sof the case against
Caii!•tin 147,4-0 ; kit he h‘litved the prim :pal c,liarge
aguins: W.LI ftr tutrin; employe-4 sU'lle of the
wen la the lists to take eAre of hi, horse.
Sir 31. IT. R11.4.%1" said the Noble Lord tr.d
no: anvvered his qiestioa,, as to whose iiiseret;un
toe fixing of the rates of Widows' Pensions was
left in.

Lord PALAERSTON said, that be sornetitnes took
tie lihe,•ty of advising the Crow ii to uLike grants on
particular grounds, utiwrwise tipt pensions were grant-
col accortiius to fixed rates, from wilich there was no
deviation.

Mr. lIUMF. begged Welty, rola:ire to Capt. Browfl,
that it w.is not Le tri.o brought the natter before Vie
hkuse; ntt II • would Like upon himself to say dolt
Cs t. 8r0..% 3 11;v1 thArgeil for individuals who were
not in ex:s:.!nce.

The 1.0111)A1VOCATE deprecated the ex pa:te
nature of the charge preferred in that House against
Captain Brow% That individual was answerable to
the Serf of Eilinburg;i, and two other principal
Officers of the Town, and l'e had three times be.
acquitted by them of the charges hroug,ht. again.t
him. He hoped the Committee,, not knowiag, the tit.-
cumstaniie, of the case, would.not veinal* arty thin
unfavourable to the character of thatiodirigual fro t

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