The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-05-11 00:00:00

conducted t)iem!}►lves that the stote!sont which he bad
made on a Wirier tright instead 'of being as naggers-
tiny' of their tokettotlattti bad Nateoilt-OOltitoott 14. Ilk

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had Dot the smaileltdeabt that whele.therceme to dis-
!lents this subject in detaitrpreet would be tortheorsieg
from ninny parts of the revelry of * gene and wilful
, abate of the treat discretionery power divas to the Li-
eeneing Magistrates. Under the prawn system 'a Ma-
gittrare might chase the power which it. possessed will
impunity. Supposing him disposed to eke himself a
tt
political agent, mid hi- that absentee., be auxins to
pnnish a publine who bed append y he might
'hone to Illyrian atni election, be so teak is yes.
seance on the individual by withhold's, hie ' . lid
was not obliged is give a masa for doing:
he had only to keep his own assail. la
impossible to prove that be bed bees set 'lna*
Milt motive. Witbillit some direst proof iege
against hint could be instituted in the Cart of Kist's
Bench, end in such a ens it was "'Reeks/ that sigmas.
denies could be greeted. He sonteeded that greet mis-
chief was done by the overarming aerie of Magistrates
to prevent the inereentaptiblio-henees. lit assamene
of this throat was het little anspetiliets, and the brewers
were enabled to, utake the publicans sell as samba/noise
composition as beer. which disgusted then who drank
it, and caused the labouring cleans to take te drinking
spirits, la hoped the Hotta would halt ioto this is
the eXerse of the present Stales, sad radairoor to
correct the evil. - Were this dose the poet wield be ap-
plied with a wboltepuie sad Inigorating' beverage.
aril • great ineniaa is the assumption of Seeley ant
follow.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL concurred with amiph of what
had fallen from the Honourable hod Excel id Gentle-
man, hoped the evil wduld be corrected. bull Leas math-
fled the edentry gentlemen who acted as Illeglatates
ernerell were anxious to prevent abuses like those al-
Inded to.
Mr. BROUGHAM had not meant his remark to apply
to the country gentlemen as a body. Bat there was a
class of persons whom he did sot cheat mere particu-
larly to describe than by saying that they were not
extetly what was understood by country
.gentlesre,
whose conduct was -open to asiesadveninx lie was
sore the Lards Lieutenants of counties acted well when
they avoided (as slime thought it their duty logo) mak-
ing such person Magistrates. It was well sot so spoil
two very good things, when separate—a justice and a
parson:by uniting them is the same penes, holt was
found from experieoce that parson did Not make the
best Magistrates. -.. . ,
Mr. C. SMITH spoke to the Ihsses Wilda existed
under the present Keening ',Ma`' . He had recently
tasted a glass of beer, for which aft-pence was demand-
ed, which ads so bad that he asked the lender if she
was not ashamed to sell such stuff. The saner was, it
was such as Was sent by the brewer, and the publican
could not help it. Under the preheat system* another
evil 'prevailed. Persons took out a Ileseies to sell beer,
not depending on the sale of malt ligoitic lin rariag for
its quality, merely. for the purpose of goldiiited topper-
tunity to open a gin-shop. , : _7' .1 ri,
After a few words from Mr. N. Catlnwh'.' ' :'
Mr. BROUGHAM said, what be could win du, that
the power of licensing public houses shield remain
where it was, bat what be desired 1,1111. fore words
should be struck out of the Act sow te ,I. 'that
houses (not being public houses) right be to
retail beer, to be carried out in small gentian.
The petitions were ordered to lie on the table:
WARRANTS Ot ATTOINIIIS.
The Report of Warrants of Attornies BIN was brought
np and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third
time on Monday.
NAVIGATION LAWS.
Mr. AIARItYATT presented a petition from certain
individuals, shipowners of Leeds. against the Bill for
altering the Navigation Act.
Mr. L. KECK presented a petition from the parish of
Headington, iu the county of Leicester. against the ad-
minion of Roman Catholic Peers into Parliament.—Or-
dered to lie on the table.
SALT TAX. • .
A petition wit presented from ass dishing merchants
of Yarmouth, praying for the repast the Salt Tax.—
Ordered to lie on the table.
The second reading of the Scotch Juries Bill was post-
poneil till Monday next.
Mr. SCOTT presented two petitions from certain Pro-
testant Dissenters of Bridport, and Leecham in Sussex,
complaining of the provisions of the Marriage Act.—
Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. H. DAVIS presented a petition from the manu-
facturers of tobacco, at Bristol, complaining of the high !
rate of the duties on tobacco, and praying relief.
After a few words from Mr. H. BAIGHT and Sir 1. I
COFFIN, the petition was laid on the table, and ordered I
to be printed.

..44.'il fiat iliat,
Unsold-be. fie latriatVoroo. Ant the Hew
*inlet fourths- it reblortmerwilumut
span were Aliehootiseeepoto of relief du& heel* been
brought foren!e4 hy Miniature..._

' Mr. RICARDO said. aif *la argument .Ma_ tint
protecting outies.uaosot beat Ilscestasisamer. it Oft,.
that protecting duties cassasheourve the growers fir kora
the duties are so high as to shut sat all foreign bala4
and yet the bop-plasters are distressed from tins /let of
thins la the issirliit:--(Reiar. boiii.)—Tbo frith ti. that
the esly effectuf protectiag *Mrs id tootitalioe the GO
mer to the, hopse market-4t gives asa, frilirtypf et-
portisg.'L M
(Hiar.).
Tbe Petition was Antos& Tbe INdadilii
the &Wei on ho ammitirsi to a thiriStslll4o
tor sale.—kited' ot be rioted:
Mr. H. SUNNI'S promatail s• Patitiaw lie
Charehvgatdeoossi Vestry of lit. Neeloses, Soodoeseks
.gresa_espritibbey ist vestry, arsiosttlee-RINaVONO
stils Nit a& i Tb• Pesitios wee Aar sighed htfiffi
of the Moot. . table inhabitant' of A/parish...4*
derail to 115 dot table.
igile
Sir R. RNA HRULL presented a similar Poities.
I from the Archdeacon and Clergy of the' stiostossetCas.
terhury.—The Petitioners stated that it wee' owing to
the Rooms Catholic 'solstitial*a to groat is a fat, imli-
viduale those privileges which the wisdom of Parliestent
has refused *to the whole body. A conseqnetlee of ad-
mitting Romeo Catholic Peers would be as ishotsties of
Roman Catholic Counnoners, Roman Catholic
to the Lords; and• a consequence of the whole would
be thostourootioo of that besstifol fabric imolai bi- Rot
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aseastors et the aevolation, la all these nestimintie She
Hon. Member expressed hie emits conearrease.
Mr. BROUGHAM said he would eadeavesir,however
difficeh the undertaking; today, bye word of reason er
two, those dreadful feats aid .terrifying alarms uncle,
which the Hon. Filember skid those sage petidoners la-
bourilL—(A laugh.) They seemed to think that if six
Noblispen were let into the Lords. the next step would
be to open the doors of the house of Commons. and the
next step, that the whole House of Commons would be-
come Papists, and that the result of all would be, to let
Catholic Bishops take their places amongst the Right
Rev. Lords in another place. Now it might be possible
to administer some comfort to these Gentlemee (al-
though, upon some minds, fear bad the effect of blinding
reason,) by telling them that those barriers. et
beautiful outwork against the admission of
Peers to the other house' so creditable to the
our ancestors, was little better than a feat, of saisti
might be well to remind these petitioners, that or Might
was the obstruction presented by the oath, that astslassfll
ot the Turks—(A laugh)—nay, the Jewish Ralsifiss—if
any of those long-bearded gentry were in the constry,
could, if they were elected, get into Parliament, if they
could only say that they were Christians. •Of course a
Turk would have no hesitation is disclaiming nenooly
the Pope'? "civil" power. but also his "spiritual *ad
ecclesieptical." or his existence altogether. Therefore,
then, the only bar to the admission of narks was the
accidestal use of the words at the end of the oath—
" Aad this I swear upon the faith of a Christian."—
(Hear!) On that word Christian, a member of the
Greek Church could as readily get admission into that
boom as the best Protestant in the country.—(Hear.)
Sir E. KNATCHBULL said, whatever might be the
case with respect to the Mufti, or the Archbishop of Je-
rusalem, he felt it inesesbest on him tojappeee the ad-
mission of Roman Catholics to the Parliament of Bag.
land.
Mr. BROUGHAM. In explanation, said, what he had
meant to say came to this, that if he had the honour to
be the Patnarrb of Constantinople be did not know of
any thing that in the case which be bad supposed could
shut him out.
Mr. LUSKINGTON said, that be would rather vote,
for the whole measure of favour to the Catholic than for 1
any partial been, which could not have any effect in al-
laying the irritation of the g 1 body on the subject.
The petition was then brought up, and laid on the
table.
Mr. PEEL presented a petition from the Dean aid
Prebendary of the Diocese of Canterbury ; also one from
the Episcopal Church of the parish of Long-acre, and
one from the Magistrates of the borough of Kilmarnock,
all against the Catholic Claims.—Ordered to be laid on
the table, and to be printed.
Lord HOTHAM presented a petition to the same ef-
fect from the Mayor and Aldermen of Beverly.--Order-
ed to be laid on the table.
MALT BILL.
The third reading of the Malt Duties Repeal Bill was
postponed to Monday next.
Mr. HUTCHINSON presented a petition from the
several Distillers in Ireland in favour of that Bill.
Mr. WILBERFORCE complained of a misrepresen.
tation which appeared, relative to some remarks be had
made on an Hon. :Reuther (Mr. Wynn) in the debate on
the Peetouters-General.
Mr. WYNN said, that he never for one loosest mis-
conceived the expression of the Hon. Gentleman.
CATLIOLIC PEERS.
Mr. CANNING moved the Order of the Day' for the
second reading of the Roman Catholic Peers' Bill.
Ou the question being put,
Mt. ASHTON SMITH said that he would not say
one word on the general question, but with all respect
to the great and brilliant talents of the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Canning), he could not help thinking that the men.
sure which lie had introduced was one of a most ex-
traordinary, insulated, and partial nature. It was un-
fair to the general body of the Catholics to grant a cons
cession to'a few which they denied to the rest. lie bad
given the must sedulous attention to the speech of the
Right Hon. Gentleman; and if any thing had been
wanted to fill up the measure of his objection, and to
rivet his opinions still lighter, it was that speech itself.
He had waited, indeed, for.all that which the Hon. Mem-
her fur Somersetshire had promised. He waited for the
Syren's voice, but he waited iu vain; and if he had *
shatlaw of doubt in his previous opinions on the subject,
that doubt would have been removed by the clear and
admirable exposition of the Hon. Alember (Mr. Peel),
who would, perhaps, permit him to say his Hou. l'rieud.
Ile had been informed, before the late discussion, that
the proposition of the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Canning)
was not consonant to the feelings of the great body of
the Catholics. He would ask those Members who had
pledged themselves to the support of the main question—
he would ask the Attorney General for Ireland, who,
perhaps, had thought it more prudent to join in it on the
late evening, in preference to moving the previous ques-
tion, were they sincere in their approbation of this par-
tial relief? If the Hon. Attorney General thought that
it was not expedient to bring on the general question at
once, his part of it might hare been deferred until it was
all brought forward with the securities that the House
might reqnire, instraff of a mere insulated measure as
the present was. It ettifixtraisrdinary that he would not be
satisfied to welt for six short months for the great miesdoa.
Ile would sit down In the sincere hope, that not only Omen
who had voted against that' quad," but •
bad agreed to it, would Join him on the pe
, I
voting against the making tidy *Mental it
prominent one.—(Hear, heir.) It was sot her Ito
to consider •whether Charter Art: Was is his heart a thrill.
but were these few Noblemen, because they were LeMs, so

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two
wbothe_.Lapdresesiee_nis qtrisirtorammt. TkoraßiglgaHeirroo. Grovirweelitkle-11_
to insulate that kitsch of the Catholic Qtapetime And
oak In that eistgulae eaksitrt'al restoration. Why he
shad *MAI Perm to 40 Pe. ire ilifillt "abject is be
.1144,141.10. Teiseemeletrilemait gronniled bµmesenre on the peoposidon that the of Disabilities
, 'was fimoded epee a fictioi—upon the admitted lies of
'Miss Oaks's plot. . fieppoilng that cause to be tree,
skocogolygoetteraweiliary ceases at the same time to se-
nt for that Bill independent of Gates's plot. The
elusies obtbe Ifiesiewa Catholic Peers, wasoine of the
issdarnmria4 pries:46'lo4 slows at the lenriut'on
Demi s'ti'le whetter-Iga of Charles 11., a plan west Is;
erss
(it'd'e ettendsoler igopery in Hocked. ' T 6
eras essertrin ata of fke body of that King, whet
Fame& Limn fletairod of their Minister, Fiorillo*,
übsusimitis, the umiak holly pose/and in EagLee
at that tieser ,It ormievident, that at the revolution, dig
Miele "het wee eeriest tbitailasission of ,Catbolice to
power. MO emild predvsea documents foes histery se
toril
tit beyood all doubt. 'The Rill of rights esktdi'ahec
Prohniemet Ceiestitntion. It smite eff the hero of
s, as Lords !spirituel and temporal, being Not.*
ants--(Hear.)—Ti Act of Charles 11. did nut pass at
the revolution ash sikatio. As to the Coronation Oath,
from the Reformation I. the Revelation, no King wee
required to tats an oath .to defend the Protesters
qiorlh, Tian introduction of the oath atoms only f
the oecessity of protecting the protestant establish
TOO* they were beemeito recogrise ai that day. 1
''geese the Scotch
.Pastienteat, file Act of t '
equally recognised the Protestari.cliiracter. He w
wet apologise mithe 800. Gentleeme (dlr. Plink "la
dlifertog with him. •Huwever great .his talent,.
be; he would not submit» his opinion on the-
He had hosed from him with muskies anti
an lion, that the exclusion of Roman Ca
not form a fumlamental principle otthe tteeroletioa. '
would next notice the grounds on which' the 411*i
the Peers was to be detached from the genteel qes.
Lion. If there was any truth in the sayieg that
"charity begins at 'home," the Commons should
legislate for theateelesa. and not extend their nee
passioa to the Upper House. They should' not
abandon their own brethren, the Commons of the toss,
try, and seek to legislate for the Peer,. What, he inalit '
ash, were the substantial grounds of different& between
the Catholic Peers and Commosen that the use
be precursors to the other, and be inter/M."4a=
them in the benefik of the Constitution. It asst oak.
'sired by the Hill then before them that lido owe sheahe
take any oaths. The Commoners are *Agate° de see
Why should that distinction of conscience be i At
ova moment they were referred to a sayiegof Lord KV'
coo's, that all classes of subjects had repel rights. nig
principle seemed to be now abandoned. He could .4
trace any inherent right to legislate in the' Peerage
which was denied to the general right of every man's
eligibility. He would take the liberty of asking the
supporters 'of the whole qoestion, why were the tests
omitted at present 'Kelt lid been introduced in the
Bill of 1821.—(Hear.)— Were they thoaght i
in 18(17 arid in le21; rad are they to he &rpm=
in 1822 2 If any jusi mean mild 4 le shows far ami‘. ,
lion now, be would give op all oppeeiliest le lite.inelfe '
sure.—(Hear.)—As to the little danger to be appeal
from the admission of seven or eight Peers, be bad
known a case of an asseieholess et sena et eight who
had carried most Imp•rtaittlieseflikee ' ti ill the stake
of Europe, from Imperial Almeria to the small district of I
Vesicle the Catholic Chords was gotten to those le.
stikrions which the supporters of tins Hill have not
thisaght proper to empire. He contended that Mr. Fox
and Mr. Burke were authorities for qualified and sot fur
unqualified emancipation. After a variety of arguments
to show the inexpediency of separating the reseal from
the general question, the Hon. Member concioded by
moving that the Bill be read a second Sine that day six
months.
Mr. WILMOT said that be approached the present
subject with feelings of considerable difficulty,'lsecatisr,
although be had given several votes in favour of con-
cessions to the Catholics, be had Lad an opportu-
nity of delivering his sentiments on the question. The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad asked them why this
tonsure was to be carried before the general eirootipq-
rims, and demanded the realms' which distinguished it
from the general qesstion. He would say that it was
distinguished by the superior advantages which it pos-
sessed. Whatever danger some might apprehend from
the passing of the general question, les could not con-
ceive that any one would contend for the possibility of
danger accruing from seven Catholic Peers being ad-
mitted into the House of Lords. lint even if there ap-
peared to be danger in theory, with the existing state of
feeling in this country sod i nEu rope, but above all, with
the existing state of keling among the Catholic body, be
should be disposed to overlook that possibility. They bed
a long time been debtors to these Noblemen for imme-
cities and privileges, and rights withheld, sod he was
now willing that we should become their creditors for
securities for a short time. With regard to the Coro-
nation oath, he denied that it formed any mime
whereby the King should not concur in granting
these concessions. He denied it, because la grandee
them there would be no danger to the Protestant Es-
tablishinent. Ile likewise dnied that the anomaly of
admitting Peers into Parliament, and not Cesnesonete,
was at all comparable to the anomalies which existed
in our present penal laws. If he were told that the
measure before them would lead to the carrying of _
the general question, he should rejoice at it, iud give
it his most hearty support. He believed that whoa
the people became convinced, as that house already
was, that there was nothing in the tenets of the per-
sent Catholic Church of the nature which is former
ages led to such evil consequences, their prejtrelke
would fade away, sod they wi uld heartily concur in
removieg the disabilities of so large a portion of their
fellow-subjects. It was impossible :bit we could fe•
trograde to that state in which the Papal supremacy
ligaennotrimseanto
.sargumentinconvenience.
turnedTahgeaile. and
siosthiwsrlf.Learnedwhen
he said, that Ibe presence of the Pope at the Coronr
tion of Napoleon, gave a sanction and political im-
portance to that ceremony. Fur the fact was, dial
Catholic Austria, and Catholic France herself, took
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tersecurity, he considered the best security was the
'esieviction of his mind that the Catholic sympathised
is all the feelings of the general body of the people.
The concession was desirable in the highest degree, as
it effected the people of Ireland, and that was a Title
which he thought highly deserving their atteetioe. it
would be received by them as an earnest of what the
basso intended to do site the steered measure at an
early period, and diet their loyalty, which not all their
sees of misgovernment hail bees able to destroy, Fro
about to meet its reward. He reruemitered a circum-
stance which once occurred to Lim whilst artrudiag a

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