The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-02-06 00:00:00

hoped time would come when the extravagant ex-
perses of S.-esti:lnd would undergo *revisit's). le short,
be contended that every man who did his duty by de-
, Inity should be removed from his situation. He now ad-
Bussed hititkelf not only to those Gentlemen who came
there fur the benefit of the public, but to those who
came there for their own benelit.—(Loud cries of hear
and van%)
The SPEAKER said it was his duty to remind the
Hon. Gent., that he coatl not be justified in imputing to
soy Niemb-rs of that House that they came there fur their
own benefit.
Mr. HUME conceived that he was justified in making
the allusion.—(Cries of chair, chair.)
The SPEAKER again interposed. He said it was
with regret that he exercised the duty of calling
are Hon. Member to order. The rules of the House
were, that no Meinher should impute to others that they
came there for their own benefit, hut for that of the pub-
lic; and he would put it to the House, whether it was
consistent in any Member to reply to what had been de-
livered from the Chair respecting the Orders of the
Hens.. It was far from his Intention to say any thing
uncomfortable to the feelingsof any Hon. Member; what
he had said was with a view of maintaining the dignity
of the Honse.—(llear.)
Mr. MAE said lie should be happy at all times, and
ertnsider it his duty to subsoil to what fell from the
Chair.—He then movitl an amendment to the Address.
to the following effect :—" That while the Noose re-
turned thanks to his Majesty for his assurance that re-
Unctions were to be ovule in the public expenditure, they
begged leave to call his Majesty's attention to the dis-
tresses of the suffering people, and particularly the die-
tenses under which the owners and occupiers of land
were labor ring; that the Home begged to express to
his Majesty their opinion that those distresses did not
arise from temporary causes. but that excessive taxation,
and an erroneous temporising and ruinous system of
Stow were the principal causes; and to beseech his
Majesty to cause great reductions lobe madams every de-
partment of the State."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should oppose the Ainentlinent, and at the same time
ewe» his dissent from the statement in it which re-
pirdedlielsucial deficiencies. With regard to what had
Dern lead.of reducing the salaries of junior clerks, he
lad only to say that he Wended shortly to bring for-
ward a measure which would affect the higher as • well
• at the }ewer order of ',ohne servant,—(Neer, hear,)—
and then it wouhl be time enough for Gentlemen on the
other skis to make their complaints. As to the amend-
' • Meet itself, it involved in it this question; whether the
distresses of the country could be alleviated by an imme-
diate reduction of taxi-., or by adopting such means as
• *mid tend to support the credit of the country. Only let
.• else How lientieman'S Resolution be carried. and he (Mr.
• * undertake to say that the public credit would
stiffer *mot materially ; for the funds of other countries
=quire a greater degree of credit than those of
. If Parliament supported the public credit of
tbr,comstry, he (the Chancellor) would undertake to
pledge himself that the five per tents. should be paid off.
--(Hear. bear.)—Nothing could give more relief to the
Lao led • interest than the facility of borrowing at low
rates of ieterest ; for the agriculturists now in the great.
eft distress, were those whose property was iecumbered,
and whose property could bo relieved by loans made at
low rate of interest.
• Mr. CALCRA FT said itappeared as if Ministers were
determined not to consent to any. reduction of taxes; and
that they had an screwed up their determination to per
- *mere in their system, that no relief was to be afforded
to the voliwing people. He should certainly support the
sostlllignaL
ThetHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in ex-
planation■ said what lie bad stated was, that a repeal of
tense in the way-proyoamilly the Hon. tient. won tend
tq the clestruittoe of the public credit; but that the
wads of redaction be should *berth, submit to the
Ihseise would have the effete tir mipporthig public credit.
Mr. CALCRAVT, in reply, declared that he did not
mean to support any repeal of taxes which would not be
• perfectly consisteut with, and tending to support [Alit
credit.
Mr. ROBINSON opposed the amendment.
Colonel DAVIES supported it, and wished to know if
any alteration was intended to be made in the metallic
currency of the country.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied.
that he had no intention of proposing any alteration in
the currency.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said he was not prepared to
pronottece such a sweeping condemnation of the whole
svAtetn of Finance as was contained in Mr. hussies
Amendment. With the omission. however, of a few
monis, he would striportshe Amendment; and he would
do so on account of the peremptory tone which_ the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had that eight stated, that
Own. should be no reduction of taxation. That was the
most effectual mode of filling the whole country with
deopne leece, and producing its ruin.
Mr. HU.iIE said he had no objection whatever to
withdraw the passage objected to by the Right Hon.
Baronet.
The amendment was then put in the corrected shape.
• The Marquess of LONDONDERRY denied that his
Right Honourable Friend had no other motive in re-
sisting a sadden reduction of taxes, than to support the
-credit of the country. The House ought not, in so di•
• red a way, rescind their vote of last Session, by which
a large surplus of Revenue was reserved for the reduction
of the debt.
Mr. TIERNEY denied the impropriety of supporting
the proposition then made. For his own part, lie would
support every kind of reduction, however oppressive it
miglit be to some individuals, and however it might
take away from the splendour of others. He bad no he-
sitation in saying that the reduction of expenses was not
ensficient, but that the Sinking Fund ought all to go in
all of the suffering people
Mr. HIJSIOSSON felt it would be more consistent for
the House ter wait for the proposition his Right lion.
Friend intended to make.
Mr. S. WORTLEY, though he should oppose the
Aniendineet, thought the time was now conic fur great
• retrenchment.
Sir T. LETHBRI DOR sawbythe tenor of the Speech
from the throne, -that it was evident Ministers were ig-
norant of the real state of the country. He should
therefore rote for the Amendment.
Sir .1. SEBRIGHT spoke briefly in favour of the
Amendment.
Mr. liters, Mr. Ricanno, Mr. AMU., and Mr. Bas-
alts., expressed similar sentiments.
Mr. C. BATHURST contended that the question ego
braced by the Amendment, was net ook of such saw
Importance as to be taken up incidentally in the wan;,,
an Prolosed.
Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL found a difficulty in
Aleciding open his vote; but seeing the Ministers-bad
admitted the principles contended for, he thought the
suggestion of a remedy would come more properly free
them.
Mr. BROUGHAM spoke strongly against the infer-
ence drawn by the last speaker. He sawmill' the
Aeorijilorat. but without pledging himself to the Mat%
WO; g.the Hon. Member who proposed it.
SKr ATCHRULL estplaused. .. •
Igs STON opposed the Amendment.
Mow and Mr. IIiATIATAT supported it.
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