The Statesman.
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respect to flpils, and* kociego of lho leksaliddress to his
eiseesty upon the enideet. He Migift hetiertillk be asked,
considering the protracted debate upon that question, the
reason of his uet having stated his opinion at the Mies end
confessed that his reluctance to obtrude himself upon the at-
tendon of the Hoes., joked to the expectance! • irse
opinion would have been felt and expressed theis more
worthy their attention, had prevented him in the early stage
of that discussion, but that he had repeatedly endeavoured
to address the House apes the lest night of the debate.—
Having then failed in seek endeavour. end the wiestionteiter
equally. if not more important to the country at the present
moment, he would take the, liberty of stating the differear
views which he bed taken of it, from that of every Honour-
able Member who had hitherto spoken upon the subject.—
It appeared to him that truth and sincerity were. as nem.-
miry to the •honour and iut •ree's of a nation ascot an indi-
vidual; mod uptin this ground he contended that the tete
Address sbeald have open y_ expreesed the indigestion of
the House ,t the conduct of France and the Adieu Powers ;
because, by not expressing it, the nation was exposed to
the charge of nor feeling, or net daring to avow it. He
also contended that the Address 'Mould es openly have,
stilted that Inability of the scenery to resider Spain as-
'sistance, the only reason acid excuse for withholdine it, in-
stead of motives unworthy of her character and In-
*loos to her Interests, lean-inch. as -she h'eti therOfy de-
prived herself of ail Oldie to that gratitude and attachltetit
sot the pint of Spain which a more generous cofetuct
would have inspired, anti whose independence, at all
times essential to England. was at the present moment
of vital importance to her interest'; whilst on the other
hand she had totally failed in that &int which the cold
and timid policy of the Address was istendid to answer ;
for at the same moment, whilst as a nation the House
bid declined that espressioa of its feelings which honour,
trug4.and justice called for; yet as inderideals upon all
siaM. they had spoken ii terms amieli more calculate 4 to
sltovolte the conersetencee•which the langnage of the
Address bed • deprecated, than the digettied censure
.• • shisich it ought to benne:whined ; and lastly, whilst to
conceal the reel inotives of neutrality, they had avowed
prinrip! •s repugnant to everygenereus feeling, and only
celculated to confirm Beat uttpist impression of England,
ii ro hich the coked•poiicy of -her Government had long
stamped in the minds of Europe ; it stood but too plain
upon the faced dm whole transaction. that the cooties
• nen of her weakness alone, and the utter contempt of
tier means of rese,ating it, lead eneottraged France and'
t'm Allies to dere to act as they lea.l done. He must ail.
resit; that from this feeling pf necessity alone. it was
simost the no sniutous opinion of the, ileum and country
Fiat peace should be maintained ; but they did notequarty
: feel thealinager. nay. the certaiuty of enetual war; and
Apt as England ought to conduct it, hy leer nsvy
kw wherein, as 31itasters hail declared she would have
to hear the whole hutthen, and • inner the lams
enormous., wistefuL- nod unuscessaty expenditure as
in the former ihsticice. Looking, ;lien, m the present
state of the nonntry—to the distressfeof the landed and
other interests ; be could not but deplore the infatuation
of time LendboLlers in supposing t:eat a rise in, priers, or
• .4,‘" thing b.it a reduction of taset on, could pteoibly re-
' Im.• them. tic was fully t'nsihlu of tlienuportance of
their interests, awl that as the heart was to the body, so
• • was the agriculture to the country, its vital principle, and
ltyc sperm from whence all its prosperity flowed ; but as
the Mort *as equally dependent up the body. so was
agriculture dependent upon the other interests of the
, emintry, and conkd not be sntepneted at their expel' te.—
, lie rentitivi!irred the appeal of the Crum 'ellur iii tile Its-
chewier to the Cunnt:y lit.telenien in the last Session.
anos sold them they must not despair, because Atay mild
net have every thing always as they wished, but Like
;rode tern of good and evil with the other interests of the
iietion; that at the time manufwthres were at their
.st ebb, as inshore mat in the full idle of prosperer—and
Low, since agriculture ha i manu•acture• hail rhen;
op if. like the beickets of a well. they most It tone down
t 3 bring the other lip. 'lice comparison, however. was
nfortunstely too just—for agriculture coald mot pos.l
he raised Ai Itigh.priests w ethoat sinking' the mann-
fectgrre t and, mares both could he supported, he feared
both would soon sin,k together. Looking, then, to these
• distreisscs, to the opinions and feelings of the pet.ple upon
the sithket, to the unanswered and unanswerable argu-
ments of the ournerons Petitions for Reform, carried by
acclamation in the Ct.unties which presented them, and
last, to the enormous and ontliininisited burthen of the
public debt, now in the eighth year of peace, what would
be the situation of the country when called upon to re-
new the contest, and to enter again into the ruinous
espenditare which Ministers had warned them
to expect ? And yet, to this appalling but true picture of
distress, Buie only answer Was, that being true. it was
the hest ergo:mut for peace; " for if (mill the Secretary, I
tor Foreign Affairs) such was the si illation of the conntrv.
end yet it must have war, soon or late, in God's name let
it be late," and tints the Ministers, already dumped and in-
salted, staid to be kicked into it, whilst in their Address
they talked of defending the bottom of the Crown. and I
the rights and interests of the people. But the House
lead been tld, as another argument for peace, that the
iaterfereure of England would injure Spain, by making
the war popular in France ; and it was to this their
etronaest and hitherto unanswered argument he begged
the attention of tile house, because, upon it hung the
whole question of the true pray of England at the pre-
sent crois, and which every consideration for her honour,'
s-curity, and hest interests should l•Ad her to adopt. For
how came it, that the French nation, so indignant at the
conduct of its thwernment, that Ministers in their late
speeches, lead anticipated the most fatal consequences
trout what they had termed this net of Madness in the
Bourbons, should notwithstanding turn round, and join
their 6..rernment against Spain, if England interfered
in her behalf? . What, he would ask, sin the reason of
this apparent inco• sistenry. But simply because snit in-
terference would be the act of a Government, composed
of nearly the same individuals, professing the mile prin.
triples, and treading the saute steps as that (lovers.
merit which made war against the liberties of Frump
at the commencement of her revoltvion, and continued
to be her constant and inveterate enemy from that m -
meat until the re-establishment of the Bourbon dynasty?
Bet if, instead of such Government, a Government
(tidy representing the people of England, won't, declare
war tu-morrote, not against butt fur the liberties of
France, which, with her own, were now endangered
by the bare attack of one, or (upon the principle that
• those who primal:Tit an injury w -re parties to the act,)
both their Governments upon the liberties of Spain ;
such declaration would in an instant rescue England
from the humiliation, disgrace, and danger she stood in,
end restore her to that proud fooling amongst the na-
tions of Europe. which site once held as the defender
of th-ir liberties ; fur England, by
,thus defending the
liberties of France, conjointly is ith her own, would at
once win the hearts of that nation. which, with herself,
were unmestionably the gn:atrat, most powerful, anti
ehliehtened nations of Europe; and leetw•x• whom the
real honour and interests of each wunl4l best or committed
by their mutual friendship; aide • ugh the policy of their
thiverainents had hitherto prevented it, by est:vine and
keeping alive those jealortries and anipathies which,
however natural and instinctive in :the brute crea-
tion, were most nnnttural, absurd? snit barbarous
• betwixt Christian. States; and chose all. these nations,
who seemed by nature formed to cherish and protect
N each other—tbe one, invincible upen that element, to
Which she owed all her real greatness,swhilit the other was
.e sally powerful on her side: and both of whom, com-
bined, might defend not only themselves, but the whole
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had was the beet, the cosslnct of tbe.Fteacb
Was infinitely more exeuseable than onr.owns fault w*
but just to consider the difficulties of their 'Hustles, In
hayloft to support a Crown not only forced spon'thlt ei-
tion,,but, which, from unfortunate ceases, required
more than constitutional foree sat tauten ; aildr‘this
situation, too, not of their own seelong,,bat ich
they had been forced by others, and above all, the Ili
nisterg of England. For had the Powers asseiabled at
the Congress, with &whim' attheirbeekacted gym) op-
posite principlei to those adopted; and which bad bowls,
Europe to its present' irate, he firmly believed dry
France atabis moment wool.' be enjoying the fall bee
nefir of her Chatter airier the mild gray of the
present Sovereign:. Oa- it was too lite tb regret the
past, and they bad oney is consider the best to be done
at present. He would then ask if soy thing milli he so
advantageous to themselves and the fest of Europe as that
France and England should joierhand in hand to pro-
tect the libertlei of Spain ? aid if that wai admitted.
he would ask again, what should prevent it?—for
in ordin try cases, wherein two parties initueseed by the
same motives, and looking to the same object, werolare.
'tented from acting in concert by any misunderstanding.
it nas only to remora =rich misunderstanding and bring
them together; and was there ever so glortous an oppor-
:unity of twinging France and England together as the
present? when England by this bield, derisive. and ge
:woes step, would at once root out from the bosom of
Kance every seed of that hatred and jealousrti.hich she
'hail so long borne against this country, as the cause ef•
all the dissstee,*defeart, int hemillation she hail suffered,
and above all that indignity, which France never could
forgive, until England had acknowledged her error, and
wressed her regret for the part she had takea,in the
traii<action, not by the speeches-of imilvidusls is that
House; hot by her condnet as a nation, the minorities
of the Iloortions. In saying this, he disclaimed nil ha.
tility to. that unhappy family; ctrl in justice to times;
most defend a conduct which necessity alone had die-
tn'e I,lot the ultra ffietten in France, the Holy Alliance,
affd attars all, the illitilttem of England. had coinpellad
them to the steps they had taken, A Noble Lore in his
micillent speech on a former night, had said, that from
a late residence iu Prance he had the ;rest reasons for
b-lieving, that if England had said " No," France
would not have dared to attack Spain ; 1;13 the'Nohle
Lord might have gone further, and told the House,
v.itt if Englan I hid acted as b time her. and de-
clared in favour of ipain. the bend of Ate French Oiwern-
men% who cos universally known to a Liberal in his
Inlet il had abides; I

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preuent--sa to retrench, yeat,and all which the Moisten
bed been driven to, seasienafter session, by the exertioaa
of their opponents. particularly the Honourable Member
for Aberdeen, whose character and servites no one could
estimate more highly thin himself. the only real oilcan-
rage the public had derived from them, 1141 been to open
their eyes to the impossibility of any real reteenchusent
under the resent system, for all the savings gained b
It *ere More than counterbalanced by exposures, whit*
unlyincreased the relentinent of the people. the dtLicul-
ties of the Ministers, an I the necessity of all their powaiii '
ibstronage, aqd means of corrap'ion to supr ort tloeirasea-
tures. The Honourable Member concluded. with stat-
ing, that having availed himself of the oppectunity to ex-
press his feelings on this important subject., lie bad no
wish to Lobe Om se the House upon dr* motion
with which be ghoul ode, which was," That an
humble Address he pre led to His Majesty, that He
lialna
will be graciously .plessed to give directions that there
be laid twfdrelhii Haase; Copy ',fatty Instructions given
to Sir William A•Court. for the regulation of his eon-
ductin case•of changes made by the Cortes in the Inter-
nal tioveromentof Spain. or such ritraots from theis as
may be lahl before Parliament without detriment icy the
Public Snrvice." . .
Mr. FIUMB seconded the motion, which Was nega-
tived esitlsont a division.
• CHIEF BARON O'GRADt. .
Ile. CANNINO tooved the Order of the Day for the
Hoes* resuming the Inquiry into the conduct of thh Chief
Baron uf Ireland.
Mr. SCAR LE rr, at considerable length, defended the
conduct of the Chief Baron, anal contended that the worst
which could beproced ..gainst him was an error of judg-
ment. He tbneght such a ease too insignificant to call for
the interposition of the Noose.
'The Resolutions was then put from the Chair, declaring'
in effect that the Chief Baron was justified in demanding
these ars,, ai he found that it had been the practice of
time Court to demand them for a lone time preceding, and
that, iti face, tiley had been so received in
,the Court of
Common Pleas to three instances since the present Chief
Justice came into office. .
Mr. GOU L 13U RN'S amendment, to leave out that part
of the Res-elution which respected the Court of COMMA!'
Pleas, was then put and carried. The lion. Member
I concluded with moving, as an amendment, that the follow-
ing words be added : —" But it is not stated in the afore-
said report, that such increase load taken place at the di.-
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action of the jndieial officer for his sole etnolutnent."

-beg .-
p, n 'pies, sing .no object so ...__., tm Ids Ilea 1, as the I me sc.. --.7 ~ ,
s kri I opposed the amendment on the
liberties an t happiness of his perspit• oesol4 at once hot aI ground. that it wo chi leave a stigma upon the Chief Baron,
thro.vn iiitn.elf and people into the aria, of Eaalan I, and i
bare called those Ministers to his Coontrils, who is lan- I Mr. S. RICE said a few words in support of the amend-
unction with England, might have set the Despot's :
grope at deft once. The f illy and emoinesig, got of s went. , •
I Mr. R. SAUTH oSjecte.l Co any resolution or amend-
°tubules, bat of the English Ministers', had preventeri 1 ment prussouseing an exculpatory or eriminatory opi Oen
this..whilst the steps they had taken to avoid war, were' upon the conduct of the Chief Baron in the present stage
the most likely to lea 4 to it; for their only hope was, that of the proceedings. li t thought the matter should be
France, by running herself in Spain, might be unrb'e to miloweil to stunt ever till a fuller attendance of the
aunuv tieis co intry ; but even if it shrink be so, could any House enabled them to consider it with more advantage.
tieing be inure detPstable than the policyof looking to the i However, he must say that in lookin / over the report he
rerueity of England in the misery of Fr ince ? Ilia own . could not divest himself of the impression that the conduct
feelings were spite the reverse, tor, instead of reducing I of the Chief Baron was culpable, if not corrupt.
Fiance, now in so flourishing a state, to the wretched con- 1 Cspt.O'GRADY said that the Chief Baron simmered to
data of Engtenj,lee would raise England to a level with him to have a good case, both in law and usage, bat even
Frauce,inal all the world it possible to the level of both. shoedd any lion. Gentleman think that he had acted on a
wrong or mistaken opinion, surely that was no ground for
'Ns was the trite ;.o icy a hich ham unity and the best
interests of P. ill+ttlil dictate I, and this was the :moment imputing a motive of corruption. 'Cle thinness •'f the House
rithrht to be no bar to Its now coining to n final decisirm
for the CroWn to exe-ciae te.at prerozative which eke Con-
unriot upon is
(salt;ab jeet tidfeosrtisfati t
itw ewreasthniontl Lasistesn,,dendo,wt;itatatnwoans
Sidttat on bad give . it for the prote.ttion of itself and the
people, t i save Loth (root the destruction which Il're't* ' the orcasion on whica these charges oricinated.
end th in, foe it was not is the ire'elsed Paps.*
Mr. Secretary PEEL opposed the prolongation of f •
Ilse.; had discussed, hut in the speeches erase French MI- in uley.
Miters, ai.d the corrupt majorities which ba i supporoel , After a few words from Sir H. Pinter. lord A: Hamilton,
them, that the real danger of England was to hr seen. No the Hon. C. It. Hutchinson, Mr. C. W. Wyse.
IPA
,Mr.
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one cats Id 10,,k to their intentions opehlY avOweila thejtfor
,lijosraterpoirrienimps ' 4* • -
gees - node In thetroreeettion, theplertges of thelellied powssi 1 'Fite original Resolution was pot and agreed to.
to suoportFraisee,and their insolent threats against Spain ma I
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The next Resolution proposed by Mr. SCARLET was
the noble defiance which Spate (of we understood),
one side, and on the other to '• that under all circumstances which
had hurled at her Invaders, as well ai the glorious struggle Wad been brought under the esinalderation of the House, It
wr.lch liberty was making against despotism in other guar- was not deemed expedient to proceed further io the charge
tens, without seeingthat the present contest admitted of n o splint Chief Aaron O'Grady."
tomproutise, but that one or other party must Inevitably I Mr. HUME spoke in favour of inquiry.
was
perish. It es therefore to save those from becoming Tic-
time, who were only the instruments of these base plots Mr. WYNN was sorry to' say, that In some respects be
egelmit the liberties of mankind; the sets not ofthemseives . wfts forced to agree with his Hon. Friend (Mei se. Rice).
bat of. the weak or wicked Ministers who aurrounded them; He thought that when the purity of • Judge was concerned,
Men
so protect Crowns as well as people, he appealed to the the extent of the sum was a matter of inferior consideration.
Members of that House, the Representatives of the only He animadverted.severely upon the Chief Baron, add op.
'anon which through the blessings of her Constitution. was Posed the Resolution.
Mr. Alderman BRIDGES declared himself in favour of
&Amble of the ellbrt to declare In its colleetive wisdom
those sentiments which es individuals had lately done them i the most full investigation.
so much honour; and as a nation to raise that mighty I Capt. O'GRADY said, that in his first letter, the Chief
voice in freedom's cause, which might at once decide Baron had confined himself strictly to what was contained is
the contest, and spore those sacrifices by which the cause the Report of the Commissioners; and if in his second letter,
!oust otherwise be obtained; for that it must ultimately' he had enlarged, it was with a view of satisfying the acre-
triuinph, no ne. el of common sense, mhose judgment was • plea, of others, and he had made no new defence.
1 hot Winded by his prejudice, could entertain a douht of.— I Mr. WETHERELL vindicated the conduct of the Chief
It was therefore not only for themselves, but fur those Baron. He was against delay, and hoped that the bushiest
peach dearer, and upon whom the consequences of the would be terminated in the present Session. Ile declared
preseut destructive system must inevitably fall ; for that he would vote for the Resolution.
their sakes. and VI the name of that humanity Mr. R. MARTIN thought that the Chief Baron could not
Which in a recent ease involved in dangers, doubts and be accused of corrupt motives, and supported the Amendment
I aitfienlles on all sides, 'meld in its zeal have borne down of the lion. Member for Peterborough.
every obstacle, destroying even those it meant to save, I Air.
H. GURNEY, in order to ground the Resolution
but for the interference of the liotrerninent, an that clue I
I proposed by the lion. Member for Peterborough, moved to
as
~ Isenee which, when exerted in the cause of reason, jars- omit all the Resolution, for the purpose of adding worth' da-
nce, and of truth, carried conviction with it ; tie isnplor- elaratory that the receiving of fees in the Common Law
ed them then, in this instance, to turn their eyes at home, branch of the Irish Exchequer bad been abolished by law.
end befriend the cause df suffering humanity in Europe, After a remark from Mr. R. SMITH, this .vas affirmed,
in a case which involved SO danger, doubt, nor difficulty, and the question put upon Mr. Scarlett's Amendment.
bet wherein those who opposed it In thenome of religion, Mr. J. WILLIAMS said be c mid not agree to it.
morality, and social order, had only to follow that plain . Air. GOULBURN contended that no case for a criminal
Precept, the essence of them all—simply to do I y orb •es 'accusation had been made out.
Ili themselves; and by this precept lee called upon tint 'Mr. CANNING could not cancer in any censure on the
House, the Representatives of tin. Nation (or, at least, Chief Baron ; but he thr-oght, that though corrupt motives
who ought to represent it), to do by the people as them had not been shown, it was proper for the House (in so its-
selves ; and to defend in their own honour and interests, portant a matter) fully to investigate the case.
the !immersed interests of their country. Igor was k After a few words from Sir IL Parnell, Mr. S. Rice, who
the interests and liberties •f England only, but of all strongly opposed Mr. Berrien's Resolution, and Mr. C.
other nations, and with which the Ministers ha-i at last Mitchinson.
discovered her own to be identified ; this great and glo i The Hoene divided—For Mr. Scarlett's Resolution, SS-'
firms cause, the cause of liberty throughout the world, i lint it, 16—Majority,112. -,
was in the hands of England, and if her Representatives
Lire Lancaster County Court Bill was read a third tine
would but defend it, the victory was certain. The and passed.
NEW SOUTH WALES.
Monourohle Member could say much more, and state bow
and by whom- On the motion of Mr. W. HORTON the House went into.
snob victory waste he (Attained ; for as to the _ Committee
on the New South Wales Jurisdiction Bill.
present Ministers, whatever their real feelings might be `‘'""'
(and lie confessed he was unable to understand them, if Mr. PEEL proposed an amendment clause to confirm
they understood themselves), as the advocates and sworn pardons granted by the Governor of New South Wales, only
that Colony.
defenders of that system which bad brought the country So for as regards
contended that the
to its present state, and which in spite of all its sufferings Sir J. MACIN'nI)SIi strongly
partials should be contirmed In as full a manner as they had
they still gloried in, ant still at their roadie meetings beem „law.
pledged themselves to defend to their latest breath ; in
Mr. PEEL and Mr. W. HORTON supported the Amend-
justice to their own consistency, and the feelins of the mew.
people, come what might, by their own system they were Mr. BRIGHT opposed them.
bound to stand or fail. Ner was' it a mere change of After a few words from Mr. H. GURNEY and Mr. C.
itifhisters could sere the country, but a change of Mime,- 14>IIR ES, the clauses were agreed to, the House resumed.
tees, combined with a change of measures whir. whilst end the Report w;:s ordered to be received to-morrow
ensible these to apply the reaosirces of the country, and (this day.)
the energies of the people to the relief of their own The other Orders of 11w Dee were disposed of, and the
berthens, without injury to the Constitution or injustice House adjourned et Hair-past Three.
to the public creditor; fur whilst lie agreed roar!),
with his Noble Friend, who had stated it wa the
debt, the cursed debt, which weighed them down, as long
ns of paw ". I . consists...-
credits,-

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as the country had the meow lof it, he _ iered
the property of the pahlie er .m. to be etleatly sacred OIIDARS Ole TOR DAY.
with that o( every other description. Nut who, he Newloandlend Acm—Report of Resolutiona regarding
would mit, in the present State of things, were thr Collets ofJutitielt ft, Newfoundland to be preqented.
real friends of the public erdlitor? Those wise woad igist India Mafia,. pm—Repot thereupon to 'l,mr tri-
adopt every potable retreat -bitted which est safe", di liiiiA 0
cubst(tutseti spd rat ikfresta of the coin: -. 1,77,./.. Adt Amendment slll—to biretta a titled WA."
awed loll* Of. or tholfirdatilri whoa, solslaarrs •ip - • spehobbir Remarkl i0n,...40 iii, ?beteg*,
s inevitably laid tot lkiiii 011604psenon, old* Wk.l **ma;
1 iertneh Reglilabi atisiOg• edt of lb.. Mali No4r. seirhicates turivllettevillit--Rbilere e ONleilti '
uothior bat s *lice of spite ectitid proltlty be prevents&

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warble'slna the tyraats si.ho oppressed It. It was an the. Cuhstituth
011 saytoori whew topes fell err. honest men came by iretlid
4! their gay; awl thus oat of the disputes betwixt their Oft iiitistitteeitabi,
"refirSellitc It was to Ito hoped the people wowW ss hos 'AR th the fern
*beak gel. sista.. As to the tiJvcreateats, akftater aloes, uothioi
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