The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-04-18 00:00:00

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Sir BCE/LION BRYDG ES, on that uoderstand.
ing„ moved the second reading of the
LU N &Err,. as.. repreeentitig one of those.
bodies which were interested in the continuance of the
la w as it steed, wished to say a few words on the sob•
ject of the present Bill. Previous to the Act of Union,
Ireland was not affected by the Act of Anne; and no
English • Copyright extended to Irelant4 a most he-
neicial trade to Ireland was carried on with the
United States by Ireland in Euglish books printed in
Ireland. All that Ireland got for this privilege was
two copies of each book for two public bodies in
that cduntry.
Mr. PEEL entertained a great objection to . the
principle of the Bill. Could there be any objection
to postponing the second reading till after re-
ceiving the Repost of the Committee? A second
reading, pro forma, would not in reality advance
them any thing.
Di. PH ILIAM ORE saw no-objection to ible Vend.
' 110 nicersd. time .trove r 0 forma:
Mes•C. Wi WYNN,,io answer (*what had fallen
from his /Iron. end Learned frifad, the Member for
•Dublin Univerijty't that ail lielend had produbed 1
Burke) Goldsmltbsend many of the chief ornernetnts
of 'air-literature, and iodendalways conttibeted.hea
full ahare to our literature; she would be as mach
binehtorl ae lingfacul by tits reposed measure. .
Lord PAI.II4ER.STON wished the Hon. Baronet
to postpouo the second reading till after the Commit-
tee had sat.
Sir 'JOHN NEWPORT contended that, sill thei
the priutiog English Copyright works in
Ireland was not.piracy, but as lawful as priuting a
French work.
Sir W. scorr .said a few words, of which 'we
eoeld not collect the import.
Mr. R. SMITH thought the second reading should
be postponed till the Committee made their report.
Lord CASTLEREAGH- suggested the propriety
of allowing the second reading to stand over.
Sir E. BILYDGES said, this great question re-
quired only to be understood, for the whole House
whome the same opinion on it. Unless the proposi-
tion of. en Honourable Gentleman was acceded tn,
he should postpone the second reading till another
day.
Sir S. ROM I LLY could not coucaiae what objec-
tion there could be to the course proposed by the
Honourable Baronet. Nothing was more common
than that a Bill should be read a second time pro
forma, and for Members to reserve their opioions as
to the principle of it, till the question for the speaker
leaving the Chair. lie approved of the principle of
the Bill, considering the ezisting system it heavy taz

on literature. •
Mr. J. P. GRANT said, though he disapproved
of the Bill, be had no objection to a second reading
pro forma.
' Mr. eEEt. tbooght the second reading.,might take
place now on a distinct understanding that it should
not he inferred the principle of the Bill was tweed to.
Th• Bill was then reed a second tide, end erdered
to be committed on Monday se'itnight.
Mr. C. W. W YNN gave notice, that on Monday
he should move for a Select Committee to enciiiiie
into the Caws relating to Copyright.
THE PRINCE REGENT'S MESSAGE.
On the bringing tip of the Report of the Committee that had
Sat an the hlystage of his Royal Iligharm the Prince Retellte
Mr. LA.MBTON said, he had intended to meek.. some oh-
• Iteration.; on the subject of the grants to the Royal Dukes, but
he would ant press Limn hn th- House. . 1
The Re-oluttnne were then agreed to. •
bud GOW Mt fits we understood) said, he flouted it his i
duty .to acquaint the House with her Royal Higher's, the
Duchess of Cumberland's receplion of the grit they had midis
to her. Her first feeling wits an impression of gratitude, hut
accurnpaaied wish a delicacy in accepting any thing that toixht
hare a. lendesey to. produce a separate feeling between her
Royal Highness and his Royal Ilighisess the Duke of Cumber-
lat.d. But perceivers/ that it else she, sasions el hof his Royal
!Ugliness that she should be provided for, she made it sarritil*
to that feeling; and so much Woe more readily. limiting. as she
did. teat the might never be emesidered as a hoiden to that 'so-
ma' by which she had been treated wails suet kindems.nod re-
specte—Ellear, hear i]
1..441.CA STLER EAGH said; that her Royal Highness had
felt a repogimoce ti. sweeping the grant; bet she bad yielded
that to tar iiiirentiet and judgment of tier hatband. If it had
been any thing directly who' tageont to hereelf, she would out
prrhaps have aceepteilit ; but as it was with 'esteem* Ili fin
"64 *hi" she h. lled %suit' nerreslarer, she luk.lreceived It
as a mark of the respect of the /lonise. .
Me. W. WV NN wished to know whether the votes were
taken out of the Cow, lithited Fowl. or from the hereditary re.
tenor of she Crown? On the whole, he thought, it would br
much touter 1., have whole Merged on the herediii.ry retinue.
• Lord CASTLEREAGH replird, that th, mode .4 proceed.
in; taken was colideied the taint convenient. He (nought it
would tie num advisable to defer that ours.. to souse haute
opportunity.
COTTON FACTORIES' BTU.
On the motion of Sir It. PEEL, the (louse wept
into a Committee to take the Cotton-factories' Bill
into further consideration.".
Mr: PEEL said, that it would be conveniont if
Members would then make what objectiosis they had
to propose to the details of the Bill. . .
Co 'the clause for limiting the ioboor ot ethildrea
; .
to 1% boira"risid a' half,
Mr. WILBERFORCE could not hot Jambi,* the.
sensibility and feeling which had done so much for
the poor children who were obliged to be confined to
labour in the factories. Ile did not Mean to oppose
the measure of the Hon. Baronet. Ile merely meant
to hint, that he thought seven or eight hours quite
.solficieut. That time at most was as much as they
istiglit to be confined.
Sir R. PEEL said, that to make any greater alto.
' rations than be had done would considerably incon.
;lenience those that carried on the trade, and might
injure the trade itself. Therefore it was, that he
%taped the House would consent to allow. the Bill to
proceed with the climes as it his at present.
-.Mr. PHILIPS thought, with respect to -the Re-
It; that had any -discussion taken place, he might
to been inclined to have proposed to modify such
`ideuses as he tbotteks.injurious to manufactures ; but,
it present, he did-not mean to propose any niters-
lien: • If be came to &Orem conclusions With the Hon.
Ceentlensasi,it was tiel because his objectives different,
+Bi-bsicause:his conviction—sad esperietwe had been
-eat. . • -
miILBEHFORCE made an observation on
reuse Dine to slates* years of age, 14;res
...taboos whom hedid wed think 'seedy peeper.
..isr...L.'rEhge expressed his.kaa*titra that the Bill`
•w
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arperfestly correct in the partial's(' to *sum the
lie . Gentled** alluded.
Laid LiSalLigES said, be. believid the 11oki foe

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had not done what ho shoold hive done.' I
gird to the Bill itself, he did not consider it at all as
ittlikpeited the interest ertbe Spteners. The most
proper mode, in his opluionf for mowing fairly to a
conclusion on the Bill, wool) bete dive an opportu-
nity for those parties to be heard who bad statements
to make on the subject. Ile did eipect that that
'would be done, for he thought it only justice to all
conserned. Every parent was the Wend guardian
of his child. It was too much, perhaps, to take that
guardianship out of the parent's bandit by the in-
terference of that House. If a parent derived assist-
ance to the amount of 131. from his child's labour, it
.might seem cruel and Unjust to deprive him of• 11.-..
This interference with free labour appeared io him
'the most objectionable circumstance connected with
this measure; but his real With we', that the parties.
&coated should -have an opportunity of Justifying
themselves.-1 fiery, hear !1
Mr. F. ROBINSON was sorry that the motion
made by an Hon. sent. opposite had:dropped,- be-
cause there had yet been mwdlarnssion On the princi pi*
of this Bill, although each #AilKeSiaoq essential
to the right understaodiet uf the "measure. He knew
net, is the present :Wye of .the iteestion, how to
come to any decision. Malty Qom amen had left the
House with an under.steridiektbsit': eiscoseion was
take place on the seteral.clawel. Bill. If.
the discussion should. ant jette p acw on the clause
now read, which iii fact imetOmit the *thole principle
of the Bill, he should biota In atbinifititht, that the
Chairman 'Char. • ; • ••
Mr. WYNN-lON that if the. Chairman were nove7
to leave the Chair. *it wield pat an end to the Bill
altogether; 'hut if he were to report progress, and
to ask leave to sit again, it *Geld afford 'an oppor-
•tunity or di:wait/ the princiiilb' of the Bill after-
wards, on the question that the'Speaker leave the
Chair. • •
Mr. ROBINSON by no means wished to paten
end to the Bill, and therefore bei adopted the Amend-ment that the Chairman report progress, and 41k,
leave to sit again.
Mr. PEEL was unwilling ti accede to the pro-,
posed delay, and priecipallY- &relate the Bill, being
of a popular nature and erecting the labouring classes,'
excited much interest out of doors. It was not de-
sirable to protract a• measure of such a description,
and chiefly because; in the present instance, e
Wee idea might be entertained of the cause of de-.
lay. The obiretions to the Bill were limited to the
clause now read; fur the objections to the other
clauses had been withdrawn; any discussion upon
the pritictple might, therefore, take place mi., •bn
the reidiog of that deuce. All those who bad left
' the House might be presumed to be favourable to the

Bill.
Mr. W. SMITH was willing, without prejudice to
the Bill iteel,f, to give delay, in order that .those. who
opposed it.might have an opportunity of discussing
the principle. He differed from the Right Hon.
Gentleman as, to the principle being contained in the
clause now read. The objection
.was to the whole
Bill on the principle of interference with free labour.
Ile was sorry to Jitter from his Hon.'Friend near
him (Mr. Philips) on this subject, because' be had
differed froth 'him on a former °cession, when their
difference excited some warmtl.-: Ile thought a re-
commitment wan the better mode of proceeding. If
any Gentleman had lost any opportunity of discos.ing the subject, he was willing to give way, and toi
ferego any advantage the friends of• the Bill might
have obtained.
Sir J. NEWPORT was sot for delay. Objections
ought io have been stated at another period. The
Bill had been already long in agitation.. It into.
rested the commdnity, and caused great agitation.
It ought, therefore, to have a free and full discus-
sion ; but it ought to meet with as little delay es
possible.
Mr. BROGDEN eiplaiited the order of proieed.
ing, and said that it would perhaps answer the per.
pose bettei if the Bill *Ore alfbised-tbAd through a
Committee, end were again recommitted..
Mr. BLACKBURN was decidedly against di..
cussing a matter of such enormous-importance to the
country, and to Lancashire in *particular,..in so thin
a House.
Mr. HUSKISSON regretted that a Bill so •im-
portant had been allowed to pass so far without 'dis-
mission. The ohjectine to the principle mutt be first
disposed of, and if that objection were unsuccessful,
then it would be of importance to have some altera-
tions made win the Rill in a Commit-fee, in order to
make it were acceptable to these interested in it. It
Seemed, therefore, ueces4ary to have the Bill'recom-
mitted. Ile lamented the delay, because tlie• 13 t 1
Ought to be disposed Of es soon •as possible; but no
substantial progress could be made to-day.
Lord STANLEY hail it principally in flew to
give time for discussion, in presenting Petitions oil
.thit subject., Ile wee no party to the understanding
of delaying the discussion of the-iiiiti6lple-of the Ml.'
•lie had understood the comesittneut to tie only pro
forma. His sole view bad been to refer the subject
to a Committee up stairs. Much alteration was re-
quired in the Bill. Tbff limitation. of Niers was es-
iremely improper fed eettemely lojeriess. Other
objections would be made according in rfreedittances,'
and according at mills were worked by -steam os by
horses.
Mr. PEI% was still reluctant to accede to the
AmendMent, aid thought the lion. Gentleman op-
posite might oew-state his objections.'
Mr. PHILIPS objected to the Bill, because it
would really injure those whorn.it 'pretended to be-
nefit. The subject had occopied his mind for 25 or
30 years, and he was quite convinced that legislasisei
interference would 'do more harm 'titan good. The
management of Manufaetosies was erndsally 'raptor.
ing without such interference. Rte,woold oiler no
, modification of the. Bill 011-it ise'decided whether
there should be a Bill- at ell. If there should be a
Bill at all, he would their endeavour to mabe it as
little mischievous as possible.
Sir T. ACLAND thought any modifications or
improvements upon the Bill might be now proposed,
and the discussion ow the prioeiple amid take place,
on fhe Report of 10111 reformed Bill. • By this means
the present discussion would not be lost. He cots-
sidered it a great evil and a great inconvenience that
discussions both on the principle and on the *hole

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