The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-08-29 00:00:00

THE ST,

,TESMAN.

selves examining the witnesses? This, ceetainle. seas' ovidllllo4l.llll6llandal justice Walt attain" by '-
what was meant by the sobjeltated motion, if Wariest =erf the porosities now basso' them. His
any thing at all. He was determined to oppose the sever meow that Conant ehosid be in the
motion. hut controlled is the cross-examination of witnesses.
Lord Linea root. explained,---He complained °fibs The Leas Caascatton.—Thepropositioaosterdai
warmth of the Noble Raul, and of the grouadlem eertainly ought. to he WOO
_," if itaa Priaalidtentn_
charge of vacillation which he bad brought against which it :as built were admitted. ~...'eltee.terliseeraesTe,
him (Lord Liverpool.) He referred to his opening ""'t"'' "e should t"at every -----
statemeat to Arse', that it was no change of that Wu°. stun" he "ander the enigma' of gan nomad
di..
opinion which had canoed the substituted ion. eloweintatgresi". Mneass'alawilitLi- 17seil;eam%ogituntselehirlilk tit emit
tneto-
He maintalara, that as far as respected the Queen, emery. yet the Court might, in its discretion,
the same advantages (veld be enjoyed by granting think it proper to evairrine a witnew altboueb a
the motion of yesterday, as that of a Noble and Learn- Counsel for the seemed had thought It uoneces-
ed Lord a few days before. The groumid on which be eery to do so. Again, a Counsel might, in a sub-
agreed to the motion of his Noble Friend of yeti's+ stuns
stage. of the
badsproceeding think it necessary to
day, to grant the application of her Majesty's Counsel cross examine the witness he puely neglected to
examine. and his desire might be a remain for the Court
was. that it was claimed lir them as a sort of promise to permit him. But all these were cases of discretion
held out. or at least as understood by them. it was governed by the clear principle, which he trusted, was
on this view, that the Counsel for the Queen, pressing kept in view by all Courts—that of desire to pureed by
it as having been expected by them, that he acceded the obvious rules of jnstice. What reason then he
to the amendment. He disclaimed all party or poli- should like to know, what reason was there why this
.:cal feeling on this question, and declared that he hignh tribunal should not he entrusted with that differ,-
should throughout the whole of the case listen to the tsitorucokf
him
mhicb
forcibly,hef
batispoken ?—Ainother reason which
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Counsel at the liar, throwing out of the scale all pre- examination was or the emit ammo of the eras
this. It must he admitted, that in every
conceived tuitions of his own. ease it was orresesary to the *tensed, and to his advantage
Lord LAURIN DA LH explained. to remove the lest impression which had been made by his
Lord Sassing said all the Counsel asked was, that adversary. as soots as possible. An effective croe‘examina-
as they did not choose the unsifted, unexamined eel- tion materially promoted this object. And if ever there
was a case, which more than all other cases rendered this
donee to go forth to prejudice the public mind, and
the mind of that House, they should be allowed the ships.
removal necessary, it was the case now before their Lord-
Indeed, unless their Lordships proceeded io the
cross-examination. Ile also said he entirely accorded regular way, this case would have no termination. A
with them in the propriety and necessity of demand- departure from the rule would lead to .roes cross-
ing it. And Hod forbid they should be refused such examination, and counter cross-examination, to the sob-
s boon,—if they were, he (Lord Erskine wou:J) leave version in short of those landmarks by which their Lord-
ships, as well as all other Courts had been guided. " I,"
the House altogether during the remainder of these
said his Lordship, " act upon my honest opinion. I de•
proceedings. dare I think the interests of Justice will be better answer-
Lord Liventoot. interrupted the Noble Lord to ed by the cross-examination being pursued now, leaving
state, that what he was ready to grant was, that the it opts to her Majesty's Counsel to make out a special
Counsel for the Defence might apply to the Court to sass which may warrant the House indeparting from the
postpone the cross-examination of any witness till general rule, and I can only say that if your Lordships can-
any future time, and that that witness might he re- not trust yourselves with that discretion I have spoken
of., why then you had better shot up this House. His
called at that time. Lordship continued, he could not see his way through
Lord ERSKINE resumed. It was no cross-tenni- the difficulties which appeared to surround a compliance
nation to put particular questions. He proposed that with the suggestion now before the House; hut it it was
Counsel shonid be called in, and informed of the de- their Lordships pleasure to adopt it, he would endeavour
cisions of the Hoax, and if they were satisfied, be -to wade through them, however difficult might be the
would be silent for ever; but if they were not. he task.—(Hear, bear.)—He bad stated his honest, his de-
cided opisioo ; but of course be should he boned by the
would move an adjournment. bullet opinion of their Lordships. —(Cheers.)
The Earl of Dosiocuusione thought as he had The Noble Lord was •
affse ted almost to taut in the
said yesterday, that the option had been distinctly course of kis speech.
reties r the commencement to the Counsel for the _
to appoint the general cross-examination of
the witnesses at whatever time they pleased. The
c =it before the House was only this—has the
overstepped these bounds which have been
apdgned to thein+in this preliminary cress-estantiea-
don He thought they had not. They certainly had
a plain contract from the House, that they should be
allowed to take their general cross-examination when-
ever they pleased ; and he thought, this was a right
which they might claim, not an indulgence which
they should ask (hear.) It was stated with great
force yesterday, an‘ with great troth, that a great
deal of important evidence had been brought forward
by the exassissatios of their LordshiPs. Welt then.
this examination was highly lauded by the Attorney-
&immesh on both eider, and what he wanted to know
was, how the cross-examination of their Loniships
should be so beneficial and proper, and the same ope-
ration on the part of Counsel so highly improper and
detrimental to the case. He supported the amended
motion before the House.
Lord BLIANSOROUGH lamented the disposition of their
Lordships should be in favour of the motion before the
House. He entreated them to consider what was likely
to be the consequence of granting the request of the
Counsel for the defence. They were granting this in-
dulgence in consideration of the difficulty the Counsel
againgt the Bill had in cross-examining witnesses
brought forward, who were entirely unknown to them.
Bat it appeared to him that those difficulties would in
the further progress of the proceedings be equally shared
by the Counsel for the Bill. There was, however, an-
other consideration which it appeared to him was an
Insurmountable objection to the course proposed to be
pursued. Their Lordships would reflect on the pro-
bable consequences of recoguising such a principle as
that of allowing re-cross-examinations ad eofwitorm. The
mraseenence it might and probably wonki lead to, was
that of entirely defeating the ends of justice, and of pro- I -
venting the evidence for this Bill from being ever Pads Papers have arrived to the 25th inclusive. On
I brought to a close. When they meet in November next Thursday, the English Ambassador, Sir Charles Stuart.
the witnesses brought forward against the Bill might I was presented to the gime, at a private audience, with a
make it peremptorily requisite that other witnesses again , letter
should be brought by the Counsel for the, Bill, to rebut frimo ilia Sotereign, notifying the Death of the
the evidence. They meet then in February to hear fur- i Duchess of 'York. The day being the festival of St.
ther evidence; but this, instead of closing the evidence I Louis, the carers of the Parisian Nations) Guard, those
altogether, might call for, or at least be met with a de- of the Royal Gaud*, Ike. paid their hotline to, his Ma•
mend for further postponement. Then be asked wile 1 jests. s
could formtermination
e the of the business. And sup- 'arrested late cots irset "'rill subaltern modems are stated to hare been
• but no men-
posing that one party in the question should find is to on account of the p .
be its interest that the ease should be now closed, that don is made of any distinguished name. The accounts
Party he maintained would have it in its power to ac- from those provinces which had received intelligence of
complish its wishes. The only object he had, the only
the lot, describe all things as tranquil. Accounts from
object their Lordships could have, was to come setts..
o
truth, to attain the ends of substantial justice: and be Spain are equally agreeable. The rUanter-reettlti°"arY
contended that if such a latitude of eross-examinallen movement, according to an official report, had bees cow
were even it would inevitably prove an itnarnionov. pima* suppressed....
able obstacse to that attainment. Preach Funds, five per eents..7B f. 55 c.
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Earl BATHURST spoke R few words in IRTORT OT MR
Potion. He thought nothing could be farce than Though the Howse of Lords was yegteniay not t
that her Majesty's Counsel should hare leas" Str Pt°. raged in the examination of witnesset, their proceed.
seed to that extent which appeared to them mil con- "
highest importance. I
ducive to the interests of their Mustiest. muesli in i lags related-- to snidest* of the
their cross-examination. They ought also to bare queetion bad. been raised on Saturday, as to the right
liberty to call back a witness a zeroed time If awes- col the Weases Counsel to renew their cross-examine
sary in their opinion. His Lordship was decidedly lion of the witnesses in support of the Bill, after
of opinion, that their Lordships would do an injestice interval which will be allowed them for inquiring
if they acted otherwise. ' the conslit:on and character of the witnesses, and
Lord BLIAXIOROUGH begged hi, ask a question.
wertoroiootioa Pruaurlug evidence in defence ; and on this pent
What was the degree or extent of aro
that it *at to consider as ate ne• the Idwg and interesting discussion ensued. On the part
latitude in it be girth- , .
Sell
,
.
Lord Ltv i laid. that wititiltir •an Colpiol for the QL:ant sitweid be ohlitsd '
to PraP•
sties wMat simp:i to the credit of tectittelbas. it' seat
s tit the Poss.examinatima without delay. amtiklig
impossible for tein h to. preclude OW thol for the
Bill from putting attditsittat staedows. at still imam co the prictlee in the ordinary Courts of Loot
Se f> their Lordships from' procoediNe.to that ohm she lapse of time to be allowerktholl.list did 4.,
floe. • ' Once, aley might then state to the. fiorlevoar Amour
I
no Lord Cuatscat.t,ne-rogretted that be e?elil ie. ledge they Any have obtained. at a ireadit ime Loon
by' any means, n'"ltt tra the calarae• :fderallthisi calling any witnesses to the Bar, and pidijoishe titan
whist' their Lordships seeased about p ff, on
such qiestions as the House Should law *wetland.
ass ere refettioa; he had sea
say gamic* 9 alter
the opinion be bad erte n yip IN 'have Of this opinion were, the Barla Laeparsoaws, Wet
that . M:va anns. Chameellor of Ircia she lant et Was-
considered
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Ad and a fill report of the proceedings of the Heise of
Lark in our Paper of the fodowlog day.

PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
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LONDON:
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371,CK-EXCHANGE, Oae o'clock.
The Ponds have been very steady these few days past.
Consols opened ibis moroing at 67f. and were afterwards
One at 671, and being the account day there has been
a good deal of bustle, but though the fluctuations have
been rather amnia,' able, there is every appearance of
its passing off without any defalcations. Consols are
sow about 671 for Mosey. and Cofil for the October
account. Money has been rather in request this morning.

hood, Lord Shame. the "arosif of Laßesew*,
sod Lord Ones argued • windy for hiloorlag thU
erowetstninstion to go es, withost anlr libilati'd
whatsoterer, in order to etelerofbeleast the retest! a
the list of witnesses 14d tpseifteetift K thr cloolo6i
arid that a eress-eitoosination was Test, permit&

to, the interval to be granted for Prepatinithe•lio
fence, in order to prevent the erhleure brought fee. -
ward agahret timreritan Crews going oat to the WA/xi
and remaining for weeks and montheensifted, esque►
boned, and onaiswered. Oa the motion of Lori
lATEPTOOL, bowery, it was proposed that the anew
examination should be gone into imetediatety alb
the examination is ebief, but with a claim for Gm.*
to apply for permission to have any witsess feminist
for cross-examination, if any' new facts or alma-

minces respecting loch vrittess should come to their
knowledge ; but his Lorithip at the same time admitted,
that it would sot be proper for the Haste to tempt,'
any decision arlltlktrale suggested, osraWillar egret*,
against the Bill were heard as to any objection wlielt
they, for the interest.of bee Manses, might ►are to
orge against the establishment of the rub peepoeed.
On this proposition having beet tgrelid to, the Cleo.
tel were called in. and Mr. BatouottAse sad Mr. Daa
m.o. addressed their Lordships in speeches that will
be read with peculiar interret, cud that were calms
Wed to produce the best effect.

In onr Paper of Saturday last We expressed out
cougklenee, that whatever might be the 'Minute ffitett
of the proceedings before Parliament, the Quirtse
would be acquitted in the minds of the pevple.
serious attention to yesterday's debate, and it* pro-
bible result, impels us to say, that we fee) that coat• '
&few* increased. Our readers will observe the iw
minous and argumentative speeches of Lords Emitting,
LANSOODNIt, and °SET, and the DO less luminous
powerful addresses of Mr. BSOUGIIISM and Mr. DSO.
DAN, upon the question touching the postponement
the

of one of the witnesses;
and they will notice with concern the toot avid
temper of his Manure's Ministers. We are tits,
that this odious proceeding by a Bill is W
its M
sary, because it is a case standing of oehli
peculiar circumstances.—This, of itself, is a &pm•
titre from the good old rules of law.—. However, ter
the argument's sake, let it be taken , upon this
shewing of the supporters of the Bill. It is
a peculiar case,—rery fell," say her Consoles
" eV, is a list of the witsesses,"—•" No," asy ah
supporters,—“ we west k gowersei by the roam
low ; sod in we ease if /as are yew entitled to dik
pririlege, ere?* in esaa of tresses, awl this 41808
'we of tressiot•• WltSetzttiwpreity elm egriStssy
person of ordinary understanding, that, for purees
,of the Bill, the case is legislative, et it is judicial ;
bat for the album of the tart EN, it is neither Os
nor the other. -

From the language, yesterday of the itupporteri aj
the Bill, many anxious friends of the Qtrnrat were ap•
prebensive that the decision of the Hulse wittlld ptev
anfatotrable to her MAJMITT'S interest, bet fillet
the course which the discussion is taking tadayi time
is reason to hope that the arguments and eloquene*
Mr. Baot:onos and Mr. DENMAN will *nitfinately
triumph.

We are authorized to state, that from*e sixth of ha
July, the answers to the several addresses were wristlet
ennrslv, and solely, by a learned and ingenious ety-
nian who once held the cursey of Harbary, in this stetv.
and who was recommended to her Majesty, by the.
dent Minister of Hatton.--(WerwickshireAtfoortiotry
In consequence of the pabLcation of an Athitelk to
the Queen, purporting to have Wes forwarded fipjli
the Privates of the Leicester Militia, no little pdss
have been tabs to bring the authenticity of the do-
cument into doubt, mid to excite 14e belief that it IPSO
an imposition. In reference to *me attempts, Wig.
serf the article that follows is-- .
" As we promised in part of our last Wallet ill
*session, we this day Insert thoMidress of the Pliffahld
of the Leicester Militia to ill[ Queen, with her :Kit
jetty's answer, which appeiM is The now of Pigiggi
last. The editor of tbo Lflatter Avrotil asserts that
the Address was " kbricatt4" without the lateeledlp
of the Privates, *silo his usual elegint style, *eked
free with the same of a respectable troslesuraii, 111api
be accuses of having committed the eaginnt eridiaril
meting the Addicts. That tie Address was
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