The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-05-10 00:00:00

IMPERIAt PARbldlifENT.

-41.—
HOUSE OF LORDS.—Wipstsoki, MAT 9.

The Marquess of LANSDOWNE presented a Peti-
Von front the Merchants of Lyndon, praying that the
limber Duties Bill might not pass into a law.—Laid
ctsthe table.
The Marques, of LANSDOWNE moved that certain
• avers lying on the table be printed, and added as an
Alpendilt to the Report of tbe Committee on Foreign
• t Joiir.—Ordered.
His Lordship thin moved that various returns eon-
mac ed with our Manufactures, be referred to the Com-
liiittee on Foreign Trade.--Ordered.
• Mr. BaoovaN and others brought up a Message
Amin the Commons, announcing that they bad given
leave to Sir Henry Parnell, to attend their Lordships'
Committee on Foreign Trade to be examined as a

itness.
Several Road Bills were also brought np from the
Gammons by Sir James GRAHAM and others, anti read
a hat time. -
Ile Earl of SHAFTESBUR' presented a Petition
from the Council and Assembly of New Brunswick,
p-aying that no altention should be made in the Tim-
ber Du ies. Laid on the table.
The Poor Settlement, and the Scotch Hereditary Re-
•crue Bills, went through Committees and were re-
po. t Atij °tuned.

1101:SE OF COMMONS.

.1

AN.

What do you pay the editor l‘s—(7'he answer wa..
audible in the Gallery.)
Do you keep the manuscrkts which are sent you for
insertion ?-1 do not. I stVpose the editor does.
Do you know that they are in the possession of the
Editor, from your knowledge of his practice to keep
them?—lt is impossible for me to say so to a certainty,
I understand that it is his practice.
By Mr. M. A. TAYLOR.—In whose name is the
house hired which serves as the office of the Paper?—
The principal office is that of Messrs. Shackell
and Arrowsmith, bat since the commencement of the
Paper an adjoining house has been taken on least by
Mr. Arrowsmith.
Who is the landlord?—l cannot exactly say. I be-
lieve a widow lady.—(A laugh.)
Then the Clouse is to understand that the original
house where the Paper was set up is the hvinse of
Messrs. Shackell and Arrowstnith ?—lt was their's
originally, as a printing-office.
Who took the house? In whole name does the
house stand ? Who pays the reitt?—Mr. Shackell

himself.
Have you any banker ?—I am sorry to say I am not
so rich as to require one.—(A laugh.)
By Mr. BENNET.—You have stated that you re-
ceive the profits to account hereafter to Mr. Arrow-
smith, wnat is the nature of the agreement into which
you entered on that subject?—There was an agree-
ment ; but the precise terms, and the time of account-
ing were not mentioned.
Was any sum mentioned which you were to give for
the purchase of the paper?—No precise sum ; for time
Was to he allowed to see what the profits would be.
Is the House to understand that you were to account
to Mr. Arrowsmith for the proceeds, and that no sum
was mentioned far the purchase ?—(The answer was
inaudible in the Gallery.)
By a 'MEM BEII.—Was the sum you were to pay to
Mr. Arrowsmith to depend on the extent of the sale
of the paper.'--flat was not named, but 1 presume it
was meant.
By Mr. BENS ET you not swear on the 14th
of February, that the priming of the paper was car-
ried on at your residence, at No. 9, Dyer's-buildings,
Holborn?-1 believe I did.
Was the paper ever printed there at ail Was it
not always printed at Mr. Arrowstnith•s, in Johnson's
Court ?—lt is no unusual thing for a Printer to put
down his address, although he tarries on the printing
elsewhere. The paper was composed by roe, but the
forms were carried elsewhere to be printed by steam.
It was composed but not printed at the office. The
residence of the Priuter is the principal thing to pull
down.
Were yon at the office on the day on which the pa-
per W3'; printed in which the paragraph in question ap-
peared was in the office on that day.
Did you see the paragraph in qitcstion ?—I did not
see it. It is not unusual for copy to be given into the
hands of the compositors after I leave the office.
Is the compositor in the habit of printing any thing
without consulting his superiors?—Occasionally.
Do you wean to f.;ty, that you do not know who
brought the marmacript in question, or who received
do mean to state so.
What is the name of the compositor?—There arc
five or six compositors.
Do they all print what they like without consulting
their superiors?—Certainly not, But sonic s pa-
r 'graphs are occasionally brought to be composed after
the E iitor and I have '.eft the office.
By Mr. WYNNE —Did you ever inquire of any of
the compositors from whom he received the paragraph
in question ?—1 did not.
Do you know front any compositor by whom he was
directed to insert the paragraph ?—1 do not.
y n mean to say that you never male inquir
se
y
how this paragraph caul. to the paper, or ho
authority ?—L do. I beg leave to say, that the Printer
of a newspaper relies with implicit cot:lance on the
Editor. I am not capable myself of superintending the
whole of a paper ; and I depend on the Etli;or. I can
only say this t • this Honourable !louse. 1 can have
no 'doubt that the paragraph is a falarolooll; but I beg
to add, that if I knew the man capable of writing and
sending mire a direct falsehood, no power on earth
oho •Id induce tae to conceal his name.
Did you never inquire how this paragraph came
in'o he paper and on what authority not.
Ilv Mr. SCARLETT.—Was any money received
for the printing of that paragraphAs far as I am
concerned, l can Fay not.
Do you mean to s ,y• that you believe no money was
paid ?—1 believe none was paid.
Do you mean to say that you do not know the
name of the compositor who introduced the paragraph
in questiutt ?---It is impossible for toe to say which
compositor it was.
T. question is not what is partible or impossible,
a.
but woc•ber you swan to say you do not kuuw the
compositor ?—1 cannot say who it was.
What are the names of the compositors ?—(1 he
witn• ss repeated four names, hut we were unable
accurately to coilect them.)
You have repeated but four names. Who is the
fifth compositor?-1 believe there is some mistake.
I meant that there were five ur six compositors, in-
cluding extra han•!s.
Who pays the extra hands ?—I do.
Were any extra hands emploted in the publica-
tion of tar •ast paper ?—1 believe there were. The
employment of extra hands depends on the press of
matter.
The time at which your paper went to press is not
so far distant as to prevent you frig i
Vie'rcollecting the
names of the extra bands you pai Sme
we employ one, sometimes another. 1 do nut recol-
lect.
Was the Editor in the office when the last paper
went to press ?—L think Ire was.
By Lord NCOENT.---a•You have spoken of as
agreement between Mr. Arrowsmith and yourself.
Do you recollect at what time and where that agree-
went wig concluded?—About seven weeks ago at the
office. 1 cannot exactly say.
Was it as long ago as seven weeks ?—L am mot
quite sate.
Was it not nearer one month ago than two months
—lt was nearer two months ago than one month.
Where was the agreement made ?—M the *Sec
At lie. Arrowsusith's office?—Yes.
Wbo appointed Mr. Cooper Editor of the paper?
--tie Woe appointed previously to my going to the
parry ,•

Who

the Editor of the paper ?-1 do
Mr. Shackeli.
Who pays Mr. Cooper as the Editor ?—There be.
ing other money transactions, sometimes 1 pay him,
sometimes Mr. Arrowsmith.
is the Editor paid more frequently by Mr. Anew.
smith, or by yourself ?—Mdie rre.iuently by Kr.
Arrowsmitle.
Did you ever pay him
How often has Mr. Cooper received his Mutest as
Editor from you "i-1 cannot say exactly. Om
or twice.
By whom are the regnlar current expenees sad sig.
goings of the paper paid ?—The Stamp Office access
are paid by me.
Who pays the other expences ?—There are anew
outstanding accounts which are at this time sets*
tied. The Stamp Office accounts are paid by se.
That is not an answer. • By whom are the outputs,'
of the paper paid ? Mostly by Mr. Arrowsmitis,ssue
by me.
Who pays the wages of the workmen?—The esta.
blishment are mostly paid by Mr. Arrowsmith.
By Sir R. WILSON.—Do you keep any clerk ?
I do not.
By Mr. DI. A. TAY LOR.—Who examines the proof
►heet of the paper —Sousetinies I mrelf, sometimes

the reader.
What is the name of the reader ?—Durkmore.
Do you keep any regular books, in which are enter-
ed the price paid for the insertion of paragraphs and
advertisements, and the weekly sale of the paper?—
Yes, there are some books.
Who receives the money for the insertions of para.
graphs and advertisements, and for the weekly salsa
the mer ?—Principally into the hands of Mr. Arrow.
smith.
Then the Mouse is to undemand that Mr. Arrow.
smith receives the weekly proceeds of the paper?...
(The answer was inaudible in the Gallery.)
Do you not know that M.. Arrowstnith actually re.
celery those proceetls.and if not, who does ? 1 infernal
air. Ar.owsmith received all the proceeds.
Yon say that there are hooks kept of the WIRT re-
ceived fur the insertion of paragraphs and airertist-
wilts ; who makes the entries, and to whomistio
money paid ?--Sometimes I, sometimes Mr. Awn-
smith.
By Lord NUIiENT.—Is there any person is*,
1 Office math, ris .d to give insertion to such paragraphs
Ss may arrtse after you and the editor have Mail?
There is no person so authorised, but it is dons NW
times when we are out of the way.
Is that antlered to be done at the discretie• if illi 1'
the compositors ? Oecasionally. J ' ,
Are the e any private marks by which tiattliheys
*hors are instrueted to give insertion tunny paelpaphat '
which may arrive after you and the editor have lA.
;he office ? Not to my knowledge.
Did you ever before belong to the office of any daily
or weekly journal ? Tu The Traveller and some oteht
papers occasionally.
For what paper where you employed immediately
before you went to the office of John BeW..-1 was en-
gaged on The trareller.
By Ur. Fa I GLIM( lit E.—Did the eitra Imads
whom you have tn,ntionerl ever insert a parspopi
without your permissitot or that of the editor?
possible they may have dune so.
Do you no an to say that it ever came to yew
knowedge that they had done so? I cannot auk

say.
Would you not hive dismissed any ofthose raw
positors whom you had found so acting ? It is ro•
bable I should.
Have you reason to believe that it has ever been low?
—Su far, that in reading the Paper afterwards, I haw
sometimes found paragraphs nbieli I had never tram
before.
Dial you make any inquiry into such circumstances?
—I left it to the Editor.
Do yon 1111.1111 to say that such paragraphs were ettr
inserted without the knowledge of the Editor?—l c
not say.
By Mr. SCAR a:Tr.—Yon have said that Mr. Coil',
is the Editor of 'hi. Paper—Do volt mean to say that k
is the exclusive Editor, or that lie divides the duty trick
you?-1 take no part as Editor of the Paper.
Is Mr. Cooper then the sole Editor of the Paper?—
As far as I know, unless he empioys assistants.
Do you pay Mr. Cooper his salary ?-once or Wiest
have paid lints. Mr. Arrowsmith pays him generally.
Anil von do not know where Mr. Cooper lives?-11e
never toll use, positively.
Do you not knowsrlitts
That is an atulsiguous reply.
he lives ?—1 asked I • one night how far he had is
home. tie said, to the neighbourhood of Blackfriart•
road.
Answer the qnestion. Do you man to say that
do not know where Mr. Camper live.? —Yes.
By Mr. BERN al..—ls the tientlemaii who was Ma
Mr. Coors- to-day, and who prevented your commas
eating to Mr. Cooper that you were ordered to attest
this House, connected with the part ?--No. A mule
of persons call on the Editor who are nut connected Mil
thr paper.
Do you know the name of that Dentlt man ?-ICo.
By a MEM BEIL—Is it part of the reader's OW to
examine the proof sheet ; and if so, slid he not welftb'
psr *grai, in optestion ?—The reading boy woh
manuscript, and the reader examines the proof.
By Mr. W. S I. —lty %thous is the manuscript rt
into the hands of the readiag boy ?—By the comptivg•
Anil by luau is it given to the compositor? ---01".•
rally by the Esittor.
It not given by the Editor. by whom is it givts3""
llenerally by myself.
If not given either by the Editor or by yonsbY4l
is it given?—As 1 before obsery countun caninot say
leave the office from whom anycatioos
ceived. 040
I ask you whether, to the best of you
any one of the four compu&tors whose names yo*
mentioned, or any of the other occasional compkir
would dare to print any paragraph except of tbs__lf.
wooed nature, unless he received it either from the blur
or yourself?-1 do not think he would.
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Do you believ one that the para grosph coma
on plabiined
pthrioarit
ty ?_by
lanelold toifiitnhkosetincto.nopitors s
tioWS:
By Lord NUtIENT.—Do you mean to say •
never communicated with the Editor by
kW_
note ?—All my communications with the Editor lows
been verbal. sholi
Mr. BBNNET then moved that Mr. Weaver
be ordered to withdraw, with an
Mr. Ass
The SPEAKERdepar t
to withdraw. facicoherdliisegulsye.
the BOA ri
Isaias which prevailed iu the body of •
11 Mr. BEN ti rose, bat frnm the orl real :
oi:stied's:ion WI

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in.lThat limb% an answer. Who appointed Mt. Cooper lion.
the Editor of the pupa ?—1 do not know. I believe twice

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on or that of the editor wa
'e done au. th
say that it ever came to Yam cc
had done so? I cannot exactly. (1
we dismissed any of those cow
had found so acting ? It Ur.
believe that it has ever been dew?
ling the Paper afterwards, I haw
ragraplis nbleb I had never sets
inquiry into such circumstances?
or.
ty that such paragraphs Smiler
knowledge of the Editor?--I ask
have said that Mr. Car
Paper-Do you mean to say that bc
or, or that he divides the daty yid
1
t as Editor of the Paper.
n the Sole Editor of the Paper?-
['less be employs assistants.
:1111111Pr his salary ?-once or Win I
r. drrowsulith par him generally.
know where Mr. Cooper liyes?-41e
Lively.
nous reply. Do you not knowwbew
I • one night how far he had tee
the neighbourhood of Blackfriars•
Ition. Do you wan to say that re
• r. Fonper lives ? -Yes.
the lientlrUlen who was with
• and who prevented your commis:.
tel that you were ordered to Oral
tea with the paper?--No' A ono*
the Editor who are not connected wit/ 4
le name of that (froth man ?-ICa.
1.-Is it part of the reader's AT
tb.
sheet ; and if so, did he not
ration ?-I'he reading boy Timis wig
Ile reader es4mines the proof.
[lll.-11y o hum is the manuscript Pi
the readisg boy ? - Hy the cumplitor•
is it given to the compositor ?-41410
r the Editor. by whom is it gieee.."
self.
her by the Editor or by yon.
by l
I before observed, I cannot soy aft
ow whom any communications art fe
.ther, to the best of your knowled.llt
our compus'tors whose names you
.107
iy of the other occasional composir
int any paragraph except of tbs_tt
mess he received it either from the ISOIP
do not think he Would.
one of
old think not.
iIiENT.—Do you mean to say that Y.!
rethattl itioe se Pacr oancopor4sPibtocr°slnoPultedis
sr
tested with the Editor by letter
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KER accordingly
ordered • irrittfhrodmrlyt ewii It u sacn intirostioo
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