The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-02-14 00:00:00

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osiers :o deterskioe. Heiman certsialy believed the reprtsentu-
tie" "banal safe. atnnatharbed cruelty, and wanton New-
siest is the Petition to be true. The f acts were sorb ve4elaisoed
the most se. ions ameralso of the House, and the prayer of the
Petition called upon theta Oct to puss of lodeinnity to
stereo Ministers true the coosequence of their %Lose of the
pooers entrusted to them. The Petition assi rather lon. nod
he *add not therefore insist for the se..dilig of it. It oat or-
dered to lie on (actable.

Oa the question 'bat it he printeil, the CHANCELIMIt of
the IOCCHEQUEN iiiked if it coutasucd soothing dioreepeetful
to the Harae. _ _

%Ir. BLNNETT 'mein answered io the negative, it was
ordered to be printed.
Mr. BIN VETT said. be had a Petition from another of the
same class of sufferer*. It was from Thomas Evans, of New-
castle-street, Strand. It contained a complaint of indiction and
cruelties, such as be had represented psi his Petiliens last year,
and offered to prove the truth *lbis representations. The prayer
was for enquiry into the teeth of the allegations of the Petits**.
It was ordered to lie on the table.
Sir M. RIDLEY, on the qitestion Iwing put, that the Peti-
tine be printed, rose to protest against any precedent that might
be establobed by Ike Chancellor of the Exchequer having
asked, when the question of printing a former Petitiou was put.
whether it contained any thing disrespectful. as if a Petition
respectful enough to be laid upon the table were nit respectful
enough to be printed. The Chancellor of the Exchequer
weal at such a question before the Petition was 6a:.1 on the
table. but every Petition laid on the table was entitled to be
pt toted. •
Mr. C. WY NN said, that Petitions sighs be laid on the table
which contained natant s that ought make it Improper tat twilit
them. It might he proper that the House should know heir
contents, and et sot might be improper tepee them further pub-
licity. The Home ought. there( re, to we its discretion as to
printing a Petition in each par:killer case.
Lord F OLKESI ON is tialaght the Hon. Member's argu-
meat went rather to show the propriety of printing all peti-
tions. How were the HMISe to know the contrive of a pen •
tins, if it was neither read ty the Clerk nor prlno nab the
v ales ?—(Hear, bear 1) W hat was the advantage of aiviug a
petition laid on the ,able, if it remained thus unread :Ind un-
prioated ? He saw ea. surprise so many innovations introduced
by those who made innovation we of their main arguments
tipsiest the sat importiui. improvenseuts.—(iiear !) It was
sooty since the last eight or months, that it t.-tame neces-
sary to make a distinct swims for the rutting of a petiaion.—
In his mensisty, every petition presented was printed at fall ,
length. They were grads any It tied ; and at 'engin, a par-
ticular motion became necessary for the printing of a petitiam
at ail. lie had on a former occa ion expressed his regret as this
vote. a, sraaa palpable it j,i) t., the People that every d'eti-
tam should not be printed. is, order to come readily under the
observation of the :louse; tut they were only the servants, the
Ret.a.seitia .vex, ..1 the People. lie should nut, however, be.
surprised, although he should be sorry to hod it indented, that
no petition he printed.
!1•:. BEN N El'l' raise to present a third Petition from another
of the same class. It was ham 11 iiiiitia Ogden. a man 71 years
of age, who had been heat ily chi ' d !at boys of 17 or Di ,
years old. Ile stated, dud the rtreel of the heavy irons upon
his aged and feeble body was an oniu. y which made it necessary
fur Ins to uoderga riot oferatiou, and that he was in consequence
quite unfit for any is ors: to provide tor himself and his nume-
rous family. He ,poke with gratitude of the kindness of the
jailer of liorseasonaer-Igoe. The prayer of this unfortunate and
old man was, that the House would pass no Bill of ludesnnity.—
As the Petition was not very long. he wished it to he read. He
represented that be was 74 years of age; that having been twice
married, he had a large family of 17 children ; that he had al-
ways been a friend to Parliamentary Reform; that a manacle,
thirty pounds weight. was put upon him by the constable who
informed against him; that tar weight of this mauacle disloented
his ars, which made his cry bitterly fur assistance, but that
none came to his relief till he hal remained lii hours in the most
excruciating orture—( Hear, hear!)—and that in consequence
of this in-any he should never be ask totellow his eroplo)ineut
again. The Petitioner solemnly protested beture tiod, that be
had done no wrung, although he had been kept for nine mouths
in confisteinent.
The retinae was ordered to be printed- , as was also the Peti.
lion of 1% illiam Benham, presented by Mr. Bennett on a former
night.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT rose to present a Petition of a
similar stature. It wa- scasdalous and disgraceful to the na-
tion that so ninny innocent own coati, be seized and subjected
to imp, isooment, to want, and to irons • they were injured be-
yond almita any parallel. They bad been arrested wittiest a
charge, they were confined and panishei according to the
pleasure of Ministers, and they were most illegally discearged
*about an topportanity of proving their innocence and tneir
sufferings. 'they had always pressed for a trial, bat when the
time came their accusers shrunk from such a test of their con-
duct. lie moved that the Petition be read, and laid on the
table. It would sot lie idle on the table, for the Noble Lord's
(Folkestone) motion would give an opportunity of making due
use of it.
The Petition was read. It was from John Stewart, weaver,
in Glasgow, and stated, that having been committed by the
Sheriff of Lauark io February last, he bad been kept trout the
' Pid to the 26th of that month without any food ; that during the
seven weeks and four days be was afterwards confined, he had
allowed him only 2s. ad. a week to support hoot ; aud that be
had a wife and three children rendered miserable and destitute
by his imprisonment, and consequent ruin of his business. It
prcyed that the House would take his case into serious consi-
deration, and grant him redress.
The Petition was ordered to be printed.
PARLIAMENTARY ItEFORM.
Sir F. BURDETT presented a Petition from the inhabitants
of St. George's, Haitover-square, which the Clerk began to read
in the usual form. It began with expressing their conviction,
in common with the whole kingdom, that the Howe did not in
any intelligible or constitutional sense represent the People,
that they were the instruoulits of a weak and come ,astiblesad-
miuistration. who had suspended the Conaitution of the elute-
try, and passished the People at their pleasure It the proceed-
ed in these terms; If the liaise s. ould out listen to their
complaints, or great the required Reform, they would most
certainly resist paying taxes.'
Lord CASTLEREAGH rose to request the Clerk to read the
last sentence over again. This being done, be rose again amid
the cheers of the house, to say that the ,language and sp;ra sit
the Petition were neither respectful to the !louse nor tectincile-
able with the Laws and Coostitution of the country. He there-
fore moved he ao amendment, that it be rejected.
Sir F. BURDETT contended. that as the Petitioners were to
mast the payment of taxes only in a legal manner, their Peti-
tioa ought to be received. It was the very pri esp!e and spirit
of the Constitution, that atm People should pay too saes but
tbrongh their Representatives If, then, they were called uroa
to pay taxes which their Represenitives bad not imptrod, the
Constitution and Laws of the country should protect them from'
the payment of those taw.

1 lAril CASTLER24I2II3 rthe again, and barely read rile Ole. •
, mistimes ietivilee,* •
t Torre esainArieral eon far sitaufplers it titiolister„ brat its '.
Peaian was t V.Xrocied eleanit n diviston. ,
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Animal l'artapacats.
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Mr. aIcoGDER heOfght top this lioport *IP
:C.Aiivrlti#E!'et Supply.* . . „ • '
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Mr. tiourrY -ose to tiitilWl its 1k illabt Op-
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notratila (rosiilealeas Wittilita . ell gr late of. thirty
millions of Eicheqr Pr Mlle: Apts: irevileoted' as
ttrufficient In 'steel sit i ne ,IsO
,Ipo the re!ense prep.
eti.,as to the FAster bolidipif,.:thp cepsymulit, of Op
1.0;4,v .f 5,t)00,0001" i.e go at itkoas laciods4 la.
thoiii ehnetes ! ~
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Nit. TIERNEY did not think it of much import-
ance whether the Loan of 6,000,0001. was repaid it=
one 'sm. or in various sums ; but the sweet of the
Right Honourable Gentleman induced him to ask
whether the repayment would take plari on or hp.
fore the time specified in the Act, which was, be be..
Wised, the bth of April neat ?
t The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
replies , that the repsyment would certainly not take
place before the period alluded to.
Mr. TIERNEY begged lease to enquire, whittle!
it would be made at the time, and hi money.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
stated, that the repayment would Commence on the
' sth of April, and be contilior.: et subatiquent ports*,
according to the mutual convenience of Goternmeet
mud the Bank.
Mr. TIERNEY remarked, that with regard to
mutual convenience, it- was very seldom that It
was not convenient to a creditor to receive payment.
—[A laugh.]-11e really desired some dratioct Mora
nation ali,to what was to become of the supposed
bargain of discharging this debt iti money at .he
un-
painted time. The repayment ought to b., outdo, it
should only "e in the view of enabling the .k to
resume their coati i.ayments, which at present he
to.'k it for br.3t.ted was in contemplation that they
should. It was impossible to understand *hat was
intended to he done by .That the Rieht Honourable
Gent:erne() caliA a gradual repayment. A single
pound on the sth of April might he the MI..
meiteenrew of each a system of tet.aymeet, the coma
pletton at which might happen nobody could tell
when. He did ant ':nun what financial projects the
Right Honourable Gentleman aright have formed,
but the jealousy of the House had always been di-
rected against an excess of the Ways and sdeAtes over
the Supply. The Right Hon. Gent. however, hail
introduced a new mode of proceeding ; but, with
reference to the enquiry which he had just made, he
believed it had been the underatapding of the Hewett
that the, whole debt of 6,000,0001. due to the Hank,
and not a proportion of it merely, was to be paid in
A pH. If the Bank had agreed Co such an arrange-
ment, it ought to be explicitly stated ; but be had that
day heard that the Bank knew nothing of it. Mach in.
conyeuience did arise from. the entire Ignorance its
which the Public was kept with regard to the intentions
of the Right Honourable Gentleman. Every one who
had heard the Right Honourable Gentleman's late de-
claration, and construed it by a knowledge` of the
English language only, must have imagined that the
sciole loan, and nut a part of it, was to be repaid in
money to the Bank, at the time prescribed by the
Act of Parliament. He would tint bewilder the
Chancellor of the Exchequer by any further ques-
tions, but admonish the House, that when they neat
received information from the Right Gent. they
should wait a fortnight before they presumed to an.
derstand laugh.]
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
served, he was not aware that the Right Honourable
Gentleman had any tight to expect an ailower to the
question which he had thought it expeeient to put. Ile
hollowed he was the only person who could have em.
derstood him in the sense ascribed to his lite expla-
nation. lie had distinctly stated, that the loan was
to be repaid in money, but lie had not mentioned its
which mode, or at what particular lime. Ilia answer
refer( d to the re-issuing of Elam:pier B.:1*, and
signified that the repayment of the 8,000,0001. to
the Batik would be provided for by the whole sop.
ply which he bad stated it was his intention to pro-
pose in the ?rewnt Session. fie had only to add,
that the mode and time of the row) (Heist would be
spell as could not possibly impede or interfere witk
any of the operations of the Batik relative to the re.
sumption of cash payments.
Mr. TIERNEY explained.
Mr. SHARPE asked, if the whole debt would be
repaid before the esp)ration of the Restriction Act?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he had already stated, that the repayment
would take piece in such proportions as occultstl
might regoiwe.,,,liras, hear ! from the Opposition.]
Mr. GRENOELL decldied his improacun to have
been, that-the whale debt would be paid off in April
prat.. The Right Honourable Gentleman at•-one
moment spokes vf,the duration of the Session ati the
term within :thick the repayment would take place;
at another, if such occasions. us might arise;• The
Act, he believed,lvesrpred an option to the Goma-
menu ef delaying the .paymeot for three yens's,•Oft
the sth of April; and it-might be desirable for the
Right HquourableGentletuao to inform the Holm,
whether he to aysil- himself of this discre-
ti• uaty point. .tile rose, hoxiver, chiefly for the
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