The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-03-03 00:00:00

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thweeednot Complained of.
Mr. M. A:VAYLOR deleasleil the conduct of thr
Water Work Companies. The e!kniect in Nuesrion, he
sabl, had been tinder judicial enquiry in a Cobalt of
Law, and it was sot in the power of the House to
inarfere.
Mr.. FREgMANTLE stated his knowledge that
many of the inhabitants of the petitioning Parishes
were in want of this most essential necessary for
domestic comfort.
The Petition was ordered to he referred to the Com-
mittee of Inquiry, into the conduct of the Water
COloPalits• •
4Ar.• DENISON presented a Petition from certain
inhabitants of the Parish of St. Mare, Newington,
sgaintt the Newington Vestry Bill. The Petition the
Hem.. )lembtr stated WAS signed by 1965 persons while
that le• favour of the Bill was signed by only HA
k 'person.
Mr. C. gALlritigr stipported the Petition, and oh-
/nerved that as she pill* einstained 3600 houses. the
Padden in futons of the lslll could not be supposed to
*SP,* tbeiratish. lie mentioned this
%ins& mitslit be induced to

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give the present Petition due weight when ihe Wu In
question theeld come under consideration. lie under-
stood the second reading would be moved this nigh: ;
and he certainly should move as an amendment. that
the Bill be read &second tun• that day six ;saunas'.
The Petition was read and ordered to lie on the

table.
Mr. CURWEN presented a Petition from the inha.
bitats of Workington against the Education-Rill.—
lerel to lie on the table.
Sir ROBERT WILSON presented a Petition from
an individual Inhabitant of St. Mary, Newington,
against the Vestry Bill of wilt Parish. The gallant
Omural said he was sati'tied that the Bill complained
of was an innovation upon the rights of the pathhion-
ers. It was an ex port fart,. law, in the nature of a

Bill of Palos anti Penalties.
After a few words from Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW. and
from Sir RORKIIT WILSON in explanation, the Pe-
tition was read ; and ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. BURRELL presented a Petition from certain
Landholders of Sussex, complaining of the present
Agricultural distress.—Ordered to lie on the table,
Lord CHARLES MANNERS presented a similar
Petition from certain Landholders of Cambridge.
On the question being put that this Petition be
brought up,
Lord MILTON rose. He understood the Petition-
ers to pray that the House would appoint a Committee :
and in the propriety of that appointment he fully con-
curred with them ; but it was important that such a
Committee should be perfectly unrestricted.--(Hear.)
—The subject fur the peculiar consideration of such
a Committee, was the taxes which pressed roost severely
on the Agriculturist. Indeed it was impossible that
the country should have tone through suck a war as
it had, and that taxatime, the eonseqnenee of the war,
should not he the roat of all the evils which were now
pressing upon all. If, as had been suppos..l. the low
price of corn was attributable nut to taxation, bat was
*mere consequence of the war, he was very much
mistaken. Ile considered that no inconsiderable por-
tion of the distress was to, be ascribed to the attempted
MIIIIIMption of Cash Paynieot ; the attempt was, ne-
cessarily, a restriction of entretory ; and if currency
were,restricted, how could the same price be obtained
toe corn which weuld be obtained if currency were
more abundant ?--(llear, hear, hear!)..--If Honorable
tieutlemen expected from a diminished currency at;
increase in the price of corn, they were indeed
The farmer tou was mistaken, if be thought it pas-i-
-ble to obtain, in a ovate of diminished currency, tl‘e
same price which he obtained for leis corn in the years
)till and Isl 3. He thought the holding out any
such hope a delusion on the country ; and a delusion
too of a dangerous description. Ile was aware that I
many respectable and very sensible farmers attributed
the present agricultural distress to the supposed in-
adequate protection which was rendered to the arrival-
total interest by the Corn Laws, or in other wort*,
the laws prohibiting the importation of Foreign Caro,
But this also was a noistrke, In point of fact, no itn-
portatien of foreign r orn had taken place in the last
two years; therefore, as far as regarded nor-importa-
tion, the Lamer was protected. It followed as a
necessary consequence, that the present low price conlal
. not arise from a want of restriction against importation!.
The only remedy was a diminution of the expenditure ;
for expenditure was supplied by the taxes, and the
taxes pressed upon the farmer. This ressure, how-
ever, was not confined to the farmer; for all classes
were pressed down by taxes. This was, he conceived,
one general and uniform cause of the whole distress ;
and he repeated his hope that the expenses of the
country could be lessscned. One great burthen was,
in fact, eating up the vitals of the country—the Na-
tional Debt ; and it really was worthy the consider:l-
-tionot Honorable Members, whether some relief mold
nut be obtained in that quarter without any substan-
tial breach of faith with the National creditor. I a his
opinion, if relief could not be obtained there, it could
nut be obtained any where else.
Mr. CRIPI'S (we believe) admitted the distres•. but
denied that it proceeded from the Call‘P stated by the
Noble Lord. It was not difficult to lied out the real
cause which in truth, was the late extraordinary crop.
An idea had gone abroad, that a want of circulation
was the cause ; bat he Mr. C.) did not attribute it to
this. Low• prices prntiu.:ed a leasenin. of eirculation.
With respect to the taxes, he cert:lid; thought there
were so me which pressed unequally upon the Agri-
culturists. The tax upon horses, for instance, fell
particularly upon them, and he trusted the Right
lion. the Chancellor of the Exchequer would consent
to its repeal. If the Revenue could not do without
the sum produced ov the tax. He conceived a tax'
upon the trader of Stork tnizlot be imposed, sr ithout
any breach of frith with the National creditor.
Mr. WES I'ERN, at some length, supported the ar-
gument of the Noble Speaker, the last bat one. He
(Mr. W.) Ras satisfied the country was never so re-
duced as at present. The timers were distressed almost
to despair ; and yet their distress ►r as not greater than
that of the manufacturers : and this general distress
he ascribed to the attempted resumption of cash pay;
merits. The neeessity to reduce the expstnses of the
country he considered as insliapens.able. • Another
lassie of the A grictiltural Distress was the ithrasi-
tieralde lootectiou i! enjoyed at present for itwas

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-mown the! the
...ossify was destrueilvesaAlutEttgtiyM Agricilturist.
Mr. PEEL begged to it 111 lesi word*. He was
not in the Hoes* at the higiudblid the *reels of
tbd Hon. 'Oestlimin (Mr. ireasti but he (Mr. P.)
collected that the okservatisns et the m.o. Member
referred ter the tsperafteu of a measure *biati be (Mr.
P.) bad the homier to bring forward is that House.
He gWld net complain of the introducing that sees-
saeoltou A motion for brin.iisg up a Petition. He
repeated he should not complain. lie would mg-Fey
observe, that a future stage of the business of that
House would bring that measure under fair discussion :
and until then be should rescue his sentiments upon
that important subject. Until then he should he'
silent; but be hoped the House would not, in the in-
terim, infer from his silence an acqttiescence in the
observation:which Hon. Members might make upon
the nseasnre in question.
Mr. IiAItINU ash!, he could not think the mention
of so important a subject at all irrelevant. The 'tight
Honourable the Chancellor of the F.scheqner. however,
had certainly Riven notice of • unitinn which t/ttld
bring that subject more immediately nutter considera-
tion; and he hail no doubt it would he di.cuss4.4 with
thataitention which it so seriously detnatoled.—(llear

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hear. hear.)
Sir C. ill .111I.ELL agreed that the Hones Tax might
to be repealed ; and said. that he should not con'sider a
fa% open the transfer of stock any breach of national
faith. He nnoleratoool that 102 noillione of stock were
sold ont in half a year ; and a small per centage on so
considerable a slim would scarcely he felt. The Hon.
Baronet was Jima to proceed, when
Mr. RARING rose to order. lie submitted that the
Hon. Alemher could nut enter into uncle a consideratioe
as he propooseol, seeing that the question before the House
was merely upon the bringing np of a 'Petition.
Sir C. BURRELL acquiesced. lie thanked the lion.
Niember for the interruption, as he trusted he was always
willing to he corrected whets in error. He certainty
consideronl the tax he mentioned a fair one. Referring,
however, to the cause of the agricultoiral distress, hr
begged to mention, that as the t torn Laws did not ex-
tend to the I.le of Man, considerable quantities of forcigu
corn were stun:!glell into that Isle, and were then im-
ported into this country, upon II 1415 e representation
that they were the growth of the Isle of Man. Ile hoped
this part of the subject would he attended to, by extend-
isog the previsions of the. Corn Laws to that Want!.
Lord - IL fi EN explained. Ile was perfectly at issne
with an Hon. Member (we oresnme Mr. Crimes.) It
was awned that low prices diminished the enrrency.
Now he (Lord M.) thought that the restrietion_of the
currency distlinished the price of the article From the
hest information he had been able to obtain he thought
the last crop had been deficient.
The Petition was then loroonglit up, read, and ordered
to lie on the %slide and be pointed.
Mr. H. SUMNER nose to MOW the second reading of
the Newington Vestry iiill; hot after solute conversa-
tion with Mr. PLUNKETT awl the Sri:time, the lion.
Member consented to postpone lois motion gotta Alotelay
Ont. upon an understanding that his motion .liould ou
that day take precedence of the other inotiuns.
CATHOLIC CLAIMS.
Mr. PLUNKETT rose to move the order of the
day for the ilotise guilt.; into a Clitt:ttlittr, pursuant
to the resohttiou of IVeolnesday lase. The Right
Hon. letiol.er st...te,l that the Itesolo-i •ns lie should
propose in lip • (•..:liiiiittev. tetoultl otit ple.lffe any How
Mt-mhor a' to his fiance emirs,. : anti he (Mr. P.)
therefore, ari,reloentle.l that too dis,soission !pito those
resolutions would he neceosao. lie liaiserut anxions
that Ole conmein he taken by the should ra-
tisfy, loot only the pablic at large, but the persons
more immediate!! concerned in those rocce,ritig..
Ile should propiete certain Resolutions. If tkoei•
should be adopted by the House, he would on Tues-
day bring in a Rill founded upon those Resolutions :
and he suggested that the second residing of the Rill
'booth' b.• fixed for Mooday se'unight. In the hope
that 110 iIiIICISI4OOI would he necessary, he aonl4; read
the limitations he proposed ; just presnming, that as
the itesolotioo of Wednesday last was very general.
the Resolutions he was ahuut to propose must una-
voidably be '.oniewhat more particular. The first Re-
gelation was, "That by several acts of di., United
Parliament, certain declensions were necessary to be
made by persons el:,-..ring upon certain offices." This,
it would be observed, was merely .IM:sr:dare. The se-
cond W 04,106011 was, " That such parts of those De-
clarations as went to state a disbelief in transubstan-
tiation, and in appeals to the Virgin Mary, or to any
Saint ; and to state a belief that the sacritice of the
Mass was idolatrous, were trench.
- speculative and
dogmatical, and might therefore be repealed with,
safiy." This Resolution, the Right lion. dleniber
observed, had been adopted by Lot." Meliille in the
year 17P0, anti would therefore he free from all objec-
tion. .The third Resolntion related to the Oath of
Supremacy, that stated, that " eso Foreign Prince,
State or Potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdic-
tion, tower, pre-eminence, or authority in any matter
ecclesiastical or temporal. within this realm." The
Resolution, after reciting those words seated, " That
scruples were entertained by the Roman Catholiesl
against the taking of this oath ; anti that it therefore
became necesary to consider in what sense these word'
were unalerstold." The fourth Resolution stated.'l
ss Toat tlo:.s oath should be adopted with such noeli-
tit-alio:et as would secure the Proiest.int aseenolervey."
The It!glot ilon. Member repeated that he thought
there would he no division of opinion on these Reso-
lutions, and declared his conviction that the prin-
ciple of those proceedings would not be met by any
vexations opposition.
Mr. PEEL begged to assure the Right lion. Mem-
ber, that speaking fur hinos..lf, individually, the pro-
eeedings now under ronsideratiol would not he met
bv vesiticui op, oition. lie (M ..P.) was tersnaJ-
eil that She opposition in that Mouse the most likely
to succeed, was that which was manly, direct, and
temperate, and such was the opposition with which lie
intended to meet the present Toestion.--(Clicers.)—
He should not oppose the Speaker's leaving the Chair,
but as far as he conld collect the L'lllir of the Reso-
lutions. as they were read by the Right lion. Member,
he felt it iintossible to voticar in them, except fot the
mere purpose of form, in order to enable the Right
lion. !lover to embody them in a Bill. Upon the
understanding therefore, that the agreeing to those
Resod:Pions held out no pledge to sni.port them ill a
future stage, lie should not at present make any oppo-
sition pp them. Before lie sat down he would say a
few words with a view to temper what he feared were
the to 05Ingtlille eXpeeatittlO of the persons interested
in these proceedings: expectations harmed, no &tint,
in censeopteeee of the rote of the Houses as Wednesday
last. 'those perms oeglit Mbe rewinlett, that on a

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than that
eitsores of tibittlif bad Men
himself ale magi only
as las nippooitian slionld be leibperste se it
OrOst decided, fur he invariably considered
stto be consistent with firmness. He felt him-
adi to oppose the general principle, but he sin-
emels ttustctl that nothing weed be heard in the
conrst oftebe discussion tending either, on the one hand
to irritate Ito Protestant, or on the other to exasperate
the l'athol.
Sir tit HILL said he considered that the
notice preeetling the motion had been too short ; and
that the notice now given by the Right Honourable
Oralleman (Mr. PlAnkett) was much too short. Pot
the sliscussion of the principal question, it was his in-
tention to move foe a Call of the House. Ile could!
not concur with he Right Honourable blentbor for
Oxford (Mr. Peel) in his opinion that it was not ne-
cessary for the people at large to be acqirainted with
the determination of that House.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT, with reference to the pro-
posed call of the House, said, there was no wish no
the part of the friends of this measure to avoid the
fullest discussion. lie must be allowed to sac, that the
Right Hoe. Hart. had not followed the example of the
iltriOht klon. Member for Oxford (Mr. Peel) in his op-
The manly and temperate, yet firm opposi-
tion wt tlaa ltight lion. Gentleman not only did bite
herour, hut would reflect honour opoo,any cause ;
and whatever might be the ultimate reslitlf of the pros
sent question, he was sure three would et that rah-
jell be but one opinion.
Lord MILTON and Mr. BRIGHT each said a few
words, but Irma the noise in the House they were
perfee thy inaudible.
Sir GEORGE HILL explained.
Mr. HOLNIE SI N lilt considered the time pro-
p.,sed for the second reading too sleort.
Mr. Ix r that if the lion. Member
would proitsdse ally other mode, he should be happy to
meet it 'llse question was of the highest impertance,
and certainly the public expectation had been strongly
excited upon it.
Lou•l A. HAMILTON spoke very shortly ; we be-
liever in support of the course pointed out by Mr.
Pinni.ett.
Mr. V. WYNNE thought if tier time propose:l for
the second reading were enlarged. it would be imps-
sit& to KT: tlerort;;li the proceeding this month. It 1
was !.e.-let-fly true that neatly Hon. Members would
he cairril wit of Nom the Assir hot nn busi-
ness whatever irt.ht, he thought, to he put in cottipe-
titian) with this important national coucern.—',llear,
hear.)
Sir liEttßliE 111 LL suggested that the Right
lion. lientietuan, (Mr. Plnukett) should name another
day for the second reading.—(Cries of " Yes, yes,"
sere " N.. is a.'')
Mr. PLUNK ETT said, that Ise was willing to meet
the opinion of the House ; but it mast be obvious,
that at present he could not collect what that opinion
was.
Lord CAS fLERF:AtiII, in a low tone of voice,'
spoke, we rather th:rik, in favour of an extension of
the time.
Sir tair;Oltill.: HILL then said, that on the House
rei.etvire; the Report of the Committee, he should
move that the !Irise he called over that day fortnight.
1 lie Speaker there I, ft the chair, arid the douse
resolved iv-elf into a Committee.
Mr. Plk N liE I'l' moved the Resolutions be lead
arkerted to in his speed,. 'they were agreed to with-
ont any observation.
'I. he House their resamed, and after a short conver-
sation betvreea the Cu ‘NCI::.I.Oft Of the Escuuot ES
and Mr. Wv x NE, 111;i111 a point of form,
Mr. !MAU:EN brought up the Report of thee
Committee.
The Resolutions eml oilier' in the RepOrt were then
seraratrly p.it mid agreed to.
Mr. P.. 1 Nli d immediately moved fur anal ob-
tained leave to bring in a Bill, founded upon the Re-
port. It was ordered that Mr. Plunkett, Mr. Wynne,
Sir John Newport, Sir Henry Parnell, and several
other Member:: shoed,' prepare and bri•g in a Hill.
Sir tiEtilltiE 111 LI, then moved, " That the House
i lie called over on this day fortnight."
Mr. ABERCROMRY thought the enforcing of the
II call would he to expose many Hon. Members to the
ino,t ...riots' inconvenience.
'I lee CHAN LELLOII of the EXCHEQUER thonght
the day for discussing the principle Gould not be tined
too early. Ile perfectly agreed with lion. Members
that the measure had been debated with temper, and
he bincerrly hoped that that temper would be preserved
C•rottg bout ; but he thought the question could lost
:re .lispuseti of to the satisfaction of the public,
without a %cry full attendance of the Merub.rrs of the

Howe.
The SPEAKER. thee put the question op,' Sir
Oeorge Iltlt 3 :notion for thrCallof the House, which
was carried without a cli‘ision.

GRAMPOUND DISFRANCHISEMENT BILL
Lord JOHN RUSSELL move,' the Order of the
Day fur the recommittal of this Bill.
The !louse havia4 accordingly resolved itself into
a Committee,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved that the Bill be
read paragraph by paragraph'.
STUAI( I WORTLEY said, he objected to the
proposed qualification of the intended voters. Indeed
he thought the yr:posed qnslifieation conld not he
adopted. The proposed qualitieation of " ten pounds
a yeAr for the Borough," would require a more dis-
tinct statement. lint, in fart, lie objected to the qua-
litit ation as being too low. He had hall mach con-
versation with persons resident at heeds, and the opi-
nioasof all he hal spoken to (on both sides of pu!itics)
agreed with him that the adoption of the proposed
qualification was very unadvisable. lie thought the
voters should be as respectable as possible,enti that
the qualification therefore shonitl no: be too low. 'f hat
of Westminster, fur ins:ance, lie thought too low. He
wished for a riginerous, yet respectable class of voters
i.
and the tixilig of the qualification at 201. a year, he
thought would answer thisobject. It would include
e..ery respectabli tradesman, and would include
a bot 4
Of between 2,000 and 3.000 persons. These were
the grounds npun which he should prtiposc altering
th.- word 101. to the Word 2W. iu the Bill ; let he
shoal,' not move to this. elteet until the Bill
llv ; e reached a more advanced *stage, as it wilt wish

elite flee ittobers Anti basu.aseppOriloik# ficieso .
sidivrittg the saggestioa. XI
-bartall (TON approved of this mode of Iteformi, ‘.
of which this Bill was an instance. He 'Loggia iti
mid be advisable to make Leeds a seot =a Ist bar
rough, open the principle that the Infiniti; elsaset-tit
society were entitled to as much ?weeksw as oho
superior, sod therefore should, under ceriaiti qmilitis
cations, b., admitted to the enjoeutenCol the electis't
franchise. He protested &gains- the word .4 respect.
able," as a distinctive deuoutination for any order of
the community, fur he was.persuaded that every mars
in every class, wits, octet) worthily and usefully, was
a respectable man. He would then recommead kis
Noble Friend •o ahandon all qualification whatever. • •
Sir It. WILSON thought th.. lion. Member fur
Yorkshire rather sultappy in his choice Of example' to
illustrate the evil cousequeuces of au extended right of
suffrage. The Hon. Member would litul• that the eler-
live franchise had been exercised with the greatest
purity by the electors of Westminster. The borough
which he (Sir It. W.) had the hpnuar of representieg
eras a "cot and lot borough, ant vet bit first ileetior,
though contending against great wealth and respect-
ability, coat him but 7001.; and the last, including
advertising, paper, &e., the expalsol did not amo tut to
3410 f. His principle was, that representotion should
accompany taxation, and•as Ste loarr orders paid is
great portion of Weft so in the same proportion
ought they to enjoy the elective:Mug:him. •
-Lewd 4.. RUSSELL wished that am Member fur s' •
•:r
Yorkshire would propose his aosentlutent now. .
M. S. WORTLEY had no objection lb do sot He
feared that between him auJ the Hen. Member o.r
Southwark there existed a radical difference too the
subject of Reform. His opinion was, that propertF
should be the basis of represente.tion.—The Host.
Member, on the contrary, would give the preference to
new' era.
Sir R. 11-•11.90N said that the principle of the Hon.
• Member would still give the inferior classes a title to
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the elective franchise; for they had propeity—isanicl,
their labour ; and they pail out of their earnings'at
the rate of ten pounds in every eighteen pounds fur
poor's rates and takes.
Mr. S. WORTLEY said that the 11...!u. General's
i• explanation wily coot inceti Is' of the great difference
that existed between them out tis • subject ; for it turned
out that he (`ir It. Wilson) uas an advocate for Uni-
versal Suffrage.
Mr. T. COURTENAY supported the amendment
upon the principle on which it was professedly intro-
duced. Will respect to Weaimitister he could only
say that the electors tlie.e were most grossly catgut-
niated if great rorruptism had nut been prarti,ed there.
He did not allude to the last election, for it would wit;
be Parliamen:ary to do so. lie understood that tax's
to a considerable amount has been paid there to entitle
several of the electors to vote.
After a few words from Mr. GCHNiev and an expla-
nation Irons Mr. WONTLni.
Mr. BARING said, he did not think it imports":
in principle, whether It'!, or 20/. was Axed as, the
rate of qualificAi,.n generally si:eakiug, but ho
thought it of consequence that the House upon this,
the first instance of its recognising a principle, which
perhaps would be acted upon iu successive times,
should deilne with somewhat more precision that
under other circumstances would be nciessar., Site ex-
tent to witioh they would go. No doubt, ittleghda-
tion, property was the beet security :for the perui I-
[tepee of social order ; but it nail equally undeniable
that great benefits had arisen from Wedding with pro-
perty the sense of the pourer or leis fortunate classcs
of s..ciety. If therefore, the system of viipreseutation
in this country had been to be settled for the first time,
it would be wisdom t.s attend to this principk, I.r
they hail in Erance an illustration of the ill const•-
quesit•es attending a limitagon of the elective Iran-
chi-e to property simply ; therefore he approved of the
plan upon which this ilill set out. lie would enter-
tain no ohjection to the extension of the elective fran-
chise to persons rated at Int provided that it 'was
graduated upwards, for thou there would be the snot
perfect system of representation—the security derived
from property, and the good will of the oilier classes
of the community. With respect to such ;dace! cs
Westminster, where the franchise was so extended, al-
though there might be very little expenditure, there
was yet what uas equallf obnoxious to the true spirit
of representation, three was ail over and above ex-
pentlitnre of noi.setise there.—(ilear,antl laughter.)—
With great defereuee for the lion. Gentlemen who r..-
preset:n.4l that plaer, he would be permitted to t It-
serve, that no candidate could starts be:bre electors of
Westminster, wills any expectation of succeeding to
the representation, 'inlets he was able to t..lk relit
nonsense as he would be 'stowed to speak, nut Ist,li
before Gentlemen, butt even before a company of per-
sons possessed of the least capacity or common sedge.
Sir It. WILSON rose to er. ler. He begged to s..y
that one of the Struthers for Westminster was nut .14
Iris place, and that the other--(Order, order.) Ito
nits *lire lie w..e in oiler when he interposed ft r
the 'turps.. of observiug that no lion. M:onber had a
right to say that auuther talked such nonsense to Lis
constituents, as lie would be ashamed to speak Mae
any company of persons of common sense. He wished
that the Hoc. Member would do thesis the favour to
awed some t.f those meetings, and judge for hints. If
whether or nut their language was ut such a hature as
to justify the exttaortlivary ituptitati•in of the lien.
Member.— (Order, and cries of ('hair.)
The CHAiRMAN said he dill not think the lion.
Member (Sir It. Wilt in) was alluded to in the ob-er-
estions of the Hon. Gentleman who preceded him. At
all events he was not ju-!ifi-t1 when s:andiog up to
order to, make a speech in reply.
Ale. BARING said dist he dm not mean any thing
disrespectful to the Representatives of Westminster :
his admiration of OM prtkent system• of repretiotscott,
which very property embraced a part.of :beams* el the
infefrot older*, would be tueunsistent with.* con-
demnation of the state of representation of tVe.t-
minster
.and iudee.l, be s'.. *old say that the Menthes
for tt estwinster, was the Member in that iLowe
-31tem he li•ortiti LE m ist sorry to lose. He
spoke of the principle of representation generally,
lie only took Wtitsitinster as an instance of that which
was the same every where, where the circunistaneee
wars the same ; and • altere represeutatioa descended
ao far as it. did in. WestusLester, among the lower
orders, it [nutlet the 'ewe tU,attle candidate wh t
t diced west &Owe was the verso* •Is‘ist' likely to
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priety of mixing IF so large a tbt.re of tut popasar