The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-05-20 00:00:00

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMBNT.' form of a Tieaty, he should not be enabled to lay
—am— I any Message on the subject before the House.
HoUSE OF LORDS, MAY 19. , ! Earl GREY remarked what an extraordinary state
In the case of Warner and Cunningham, the judgmect of the the House was plact•d it'. The 'Treaty of the 30th
Court below was affirmed. of March agreed to maintain the arrangements con-
in.;ginent was postponed lathe eased Cochrane aguinst Lord , eluded and signed at the Congress of Vienna, and
Minto.
the House was to be called on to support that Treat -,
ratOoorldwigh's Divorce Rill Como were heard, and the sere-
of the Court ..f Chancery relative 13 the Lime .f without being in possession of the arrangerneo's art
Mr,. Leigh. : which it was founded—not enl to suort (kern, but
A Message from the Commons brought up the Irish Awash '
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Bill, the Irish Eseise and Assesse I Taxes Bills, the Militia: to give large sums to our Allies, raised from the pen-
Amendment Bilb the Foreigo Slave Trade Bill, ts
hienwere I pie of this country. Ile would, therefore, intreat
severally rmol n fir., time. 4 t
the House to consider whether the House can enter
The Duke of R UTL A ND presented a Peti inn from L. t
ter against the licrilyent Act. i into the discussion as ithout that information. There
The Equitable Tide It'll was rime a second time. walso one of (he Treaties oWq Welt had not been re.
Tee Will and Power Bill went through »Committee and slits ; fitalsi ;a he wished to know what Poiret it Was Whose
reviled.
rite Glebe Ii 11:%e5 Bill gent throu;:h a Committee, wes re- I ratification hail not been received ?
ported pro arena. and ordered to be printed. The Earl IA VER L POO—Austria ( liCai.,
Earl LA N HOPI.. presented a Petition ream the kJ/tour:trios ! ' of
rer. and other, of the County of Perth, praying for a repent of hear): but certain intelligenCe has been received
that the Treats. has been ratified by that Pow er.—
the Cam Bill, oral stating, among oth,c grounds of oject % km to
troduced by 'hat measure, tde
tosinjvasruurr,y to
which, educationtoL;etite r which
with had i
the di,tiae n fact beet! i The Noble Earl then stated, that he should not sub-
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which hail been produced by il, would send tu ion tease a mit any proposition to the House to appease of anym I
vomit, eof et One, part of the arrangements at Congress, which were
The East India Gratuities Bill was read a Ant time. not laid before them.
FOREIGN RELATIONS. Earl of DARNLEY observed, that the Dsrlars-
Earl GREY said, that as no objection had been lion of Louis XVIII. respecting which he had put
made to the production of the overture which had n question when it first made its appearance, was iii
been made by the present Government of France to efrect the same as that which has been issued by the
this country, he wished to know whether it would Duke of Wellington, for that ;Monarch stated that'
be laid before the House, and on what day ? .• ; his Allies would acknowledge bias alone as the Sore-
Thereign of France. lie wished to know, therefore,'
Earl of LIVERPOOI. said, it would be laid
whether that Proclamation of Louis XVIII. was au- before the House on Monday. lie should at the
theistic, and whether there was any objection to lay
same time observe, that he believed it was nearly
word for word the same as that which hod bees, it before the House ?
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printed in the French Papers as a circular overture ' No answer having been given,
to the different Powers of Europe. I The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM observed, that
• Earl GREY said, that he remembered having seen as the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers had in all
respects been so irregular, that he was justified in
such a documeut in the public Papers, though he did
departing from the strict course of order, by making
not exactly recollect its substance, but. it was eel..
tainly necessary that the
more observations. The Declaration of the 30th of
House should have it its an
authentic shape before it sign of assent from the
March stipulated to support the arrangements a hick
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had been signed and concluded at Vienna—not, it
Earl of Liverpool); and also that some more time
should be afforded the House for the consideration of was to be observed, the arrangements which might
it than was now proposed to be given. Neither hereafter be concluded. It did not matter in what
would any time be suilicieut to enable them to
shape the Noble Earl (Liverpool) submitted his pro-
decide on the question which was to be submitted position to the House, but they had to look to the
to them, in the present very defective state of their
i Treaty itself, which they were to he called on to ap.'
information. Nit only eras this country engaged to ,Prove of, and until tlie Noble Earl could " rase the
seal from off the bond," the House, by approving
the several Treaties of which, in substance, they
of the Treaty, would approve the arrangements of
were in possession, but in the Treaty of the 30eh of the Congress to which it referred. He thought it
March there was an article by which the Allies ,
was not too much that the House and the country
agreed to maintain the arrangements which should
have been signed and contracted at the Congress of , should ask what these arrangements.were. It was
not now the time to consider whether the question
Vienna : now before the House decided that it was
expedient to enter into a war to support those en-
i had been put off too long ; he believed it had been
gngements by a war, and by subsidies to our Allies,
, put off too long for the strength of the count r} ; but
it was surely necessary that their Lordships should i it was imperative on the House to know what they
be informed of the nature of them. Of those en-
were to bind themselves to support. lip should again
gagetnents, however, they were at that time& entirely enquire whether any copy of a D Plaration of his
ignorant, excepting only those which had been made Most Christian Majesty had been issued at Ghent?
Tl of LIVEPL
as to Genoa. But as to the partition of Saxony,
Govhe Earernment was not ansßwerOabO said, his
Majesty
le for any Declaration '
which, if it possibly could be made more important,
issued by any Foreign Power t, I Stair.
was rendered more important by the circumstances
of the present time, no information whatever was Earl GREY wished to know whether there was
any reason to clouts' the authenticity of that Decla-
before the House, nor as to any of the other ars
raogements which had been made at the Congress, I ration'
The Earl of
although the House W3l to be called on to say that it
of -. LIVERPOOL said, that he could I'
. arat deny er arm the authenticity of any thing is-
vats just and expedient that the country thOttld" on-
sued by Louis XVIII.
dertake a war, one of the foundations of which was
to be the maintenance of those arrangements. Thfre ' The Earl of BARN LEY said, to bring the matter
to the test, he •. mule move art Address for the Copy
was another article in the Treaty of .the 30th of
of any Declar,,r,on of Louis XVIII. issued at Ghent,
March, which stipulated that it.sbould be proposed
:
to the King of France, now at Ghent, to accede which might ki vo reached this country. •
to that Tteaty, and to state what degree of assist-
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM observed, that
ance he should be able to render to the common Louis XVIII. in the Declaration alluded to, had
cause of (he alliance. Now it was proper that the spoken not only in his own name, but in the name
House should be in possession, not only of the invis of his Allies. i
tation which hail been made to Louis XVIII., but I Tile House then divided on the motion of the Earl
also of his answer, and the extent of means which ,of Darnley-
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he possessed of co-operating with the Allies. The couttnis - - 98
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propriety of our entering into an alliance with Louis Majority Roost the Mat im —SI
X VIII. it was not then the time to discuss, but that
THE GENERAL PETITIQNI (IF THE CATHOLICS OF
the House should be in possession of the state of our IItELAND.
engagements with that Monarch there could be no The Earl of DONOUGHMORE said, that the
doubt. There was another point, which, though Petition of his Catholic countrymen, which had been
not connected with the Treaties, on which he wished 'again confided to him, he should then solicit their
to receive some explanation. A Declaration had Lordships' permission to lay upon the table of that
been published, purporting to be the Proclamatioe i
House. Upon its subject matter, which hall already
of the Dike of Wellington, which, he had no doubt,
and so often engaged the attention of Parliament, it
would be found to be a forgery emanating from some • was equally unnecessary, and inconsistent with the
person or other, as it was totally inconsistent with present stage of the proceeding, that he should
the declaration attached to the Treaty of the 30th of
March. He, however, wished that the Noble Earl] offer any observation. lie thought it, however, not
(Earl of Liverpool) would state that it was a for- it unfitting that he should apprize their Lordships that
gery, and also whether be was possessed of any the signatures to that Petition were numerous and
formation as to the person from whom that forgery
in' l respectable ; not that he should wish to attribute to
issued. I that consideration any very particular degree of
i weight. It was not to the rank or number of the
The Earl of LIVERPOOL had not the least hest- Petitioners, but the grievances of which they com-
tatinn in assuring the Noble Earl (Earl Grey), that plained, that their Lordships' attention would ne-
he had never seen nor heard of that Proclamation cessarily be directed : and where the disfranchise-
before he had observed it in an Evening Paper, in ment of a large class of the community, without any
which it was copied from a French Paper of the 13th. imputed civil offence, constituted the weighty
He could only say that it was highly improbable that ground of these renewed complaints, their Lordships
any Proclamation should have been issued by the would not surely pause to count the number of those
Duke of Wellington in the present state of th!ngs. who might have thought it expedient to raise their
As to the source from which that Proclamation could voices up, at this particular crisis, against the general
have originated, it was of course impossible that he grievance. The common principle of exclusion must
could speak, as he knew of the existence of it, as be considered to unite, in pursuit of the same redress,
he had before said, only from the public Prints. .As naturally and as a matter of course and of necessity,
to the other points which had been mentioned by the every member of the proscribed cast, of whatever
Noble Earl (Earl Grey), he did not wish then to en- description or degree, and how far soever those
ter into any discussion ; but he could state that the amongst them, the most distinguished for rank and
communication from the Government of France hay- ! property, for talent and discretion, hail agreed in
ing been referred to the Allies at Vienna, it was de- sentiments with each other, or may, perhaps, have
aided that no nogociation should he entered into on ; differed in opinion, respecting the manner in which
it. Such was the fact, and he did not conceive that , these appeals to Parliament have been, or ought to
any further information could be given. On the , have been, framed and conducted.
other point mentioned by the Noble Earl, viz. the The Petition having been received and read, the
accession of the King of France to the Treaty of Noble Lord appointed Thursday se'nnight; the Ist
Alliance, the accession of the King of France had of June, for its consideration, and for which day the
certainly not been received in this country, though House was ordered to be summoned.
the Treaty had been submitted to him ; and as to the : CONGRESS.
means of the King of France it would not be in his I The Marquis of EUCKINGITAM said, that as
power to submit any information to the House ; but it appeared that this country had entered into stipu-
certainly it was not on the existence or extent of lations to maintain the arrangements at the Congress,
those means he should ground the proposition which in the Treaty which was to be discussed on Tuesday,
he had on Tuesday to submit. He, therefore, thought and as it was impossible to come to that discussion
there was no reason for further delay, whether there without a knowledge of those arrangements, he
had already been too long a delay was another ques- should give notice, that on Thursday, the only day
tion. on which he could make that mntioo without delay-
[The Noble Earl here being about to sit down, ing the discussion of the Treaty, he should move for
Earl Grey reminded him of his question as to the the production of the arrangements concluded at the
proceedings
at the Congress.] Congress.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Rte 3,44i51n itreieut. it :.t the I;:rr a fPIIII,I f the estorf,
neel imports of lrrtani for the ji•:r rne.ing oh hisos,r‘,
, Orderri or, lie soo the tat,lr, es 44 11. ;.er1•1401 111 e-4.151.1 IrV
Mr. IRVIN h, of the trif• Ariwren Crrat Brititio had 4iur 111,4
Av,ri the I:,v three
I Mr. (:tali isreseroid a Petiliuri from the C of
the Counts Hod eits or cork, pins itsitsAirf.—.o .!..led to lie
1111 the table, as on; a P. titiisu prnislied •it ht 1;"*.
Grut from Ire t...siirrt..is and itsocibi.ivris of DO'iii ut.i.orm
tl.e Timber A. I, tro:rl:,er with a 44silur fruits %Vittri-
flied ine-ria,d bt So .1. N.. per.,
I \ SOLVENTS.
Mr. D. GIDDY, adiertittgto the prev:sinn in
Insolvency Bill before ilie !Inuie for compe'liee
i h
debtors to disclose and surrender their property lot
I:ll(isfacciot) of their creditors, gave; orifice of Ilk
move, it, the progress Of the
that the principle of that prorision shoidd he ex-
: tended to persons ez entitled to the Ps iiilege
of rat liatoelit.
The le,lia Company Gratuisie4 1311 tree read a
'third time and pissed; as uas the Iriets• Gaols Con-
, tract after a short conversation between Sir J.
Nee port and Mr. Peele.
't HE BANK.
Mr. Gil ENEELL, after urging hew desirable it
was to haie the accoents oadered some lime since
with rel,ect to the Rink I:rotight forts arA in dye
time to enable the Hotta/ to form it judgment neon
,the subject before the conclos:ors of the Session,
moved, dist Accounts rely-cting Ilse Built, which
were ordered Ws the Stith of April last, Should be
produCed forthwith.
' The motion *as agreed tb.
The Report of the ComMitioe on the eXpeclieney
of providing for the Improvement of [Milli, liar.;
'boor, by imposing a certstin tax upon the i,,nsr.,e
of iessels turfing theretn, was le ongit op, weed
to, anti leave given td bring in a 1.1i:1 purs-;itit to the
Report.
The
,house, hn the motion of Mr. V. Frrz-
,C; EKAI.I), resolved into a Committee Co (-molder
the propriety of a Bill to regulate the pas men: of
duties upon foreign gnmis imported into torero Bri-
We from Ireland, and also from Ireland into Great
Britain.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, that he could not help
thinking this Bill unnecessary, as the Article* of
Union made ample provision for the purpose alluded
to, and he could not hesitate to ptottounce it as yr-
tremply impolitic and unjust, if it were intended to
, interfere with those Articles which ne;ht to be held
sacred with a view to preserve nn harmonious con-
' section betweeu the two countries. Nothing, in-
deed, was calculated to create more alarm, espe-
cially in Ireland, than to find those Articles meddled
with from time to time, as if they were mere sta.
tutahle provisions., liable to he changed at the Or-
, sure of the Legislature. But if any doubts existed
upon the interpretation of those Articles, he hoped
that such doubts would be removed to the satisfactiou
of all parties. • '
Mr. FITZGERALD stated that his proposition
was brought forward in consequence of doubts which
arose upon this subject out of the construction of the
Union, the sanctity of whirl, he rnuld assure the
Right Hon. Baronet he was as anxious to mcisstaitt
as any man.
Mr. HORNER. deprecated strongly any attempt
to interfere with the Articles of the Union, unless
very great doubts indeed existed is to their construc-
tion. For the letter of those Articles should, on all
occasions, be treated as the governing principle of the
Legislature.
Mr. FITZGERALD said, he was acting in con.
formity to the opinion of the Counsel of certain pub-
lic Beards, who entertained doubts upon this snbje,..t,
With which doubts, however, he did not himself on-
!cur. Therefore he had. no wish to press the Bill as
the doubts alluded to would probably he rerneved
by a discussion in that House. But he trusted that
no objection would be made to have the Bill brought
in.
The Resolution proposed was agreed to after it
short conversation between Sir J. Newport.and the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. The House resumed,
the report was received, and leave given to bring its
the Bill.
Ordered, on the motion of Mr. BENNETT, that a
return should be laid before the House of the number
of ships employed as convict hulks upon the Thames
and Merle my, and also in Langston Harbour.
A Committee was appointed for Morseay, on the
motion of Mr. LUSHINGTON, to consider the
charges of pickets and th., expense of conveying let-
ters to the Cape of Good Hope and bur settlements
in the East Indies.
The Chapel Eiernplion Bill was read a second time
and committed for I uesday.
The House in Committee upon the Glass Duty
Acts agreed to severel Resolutions.—Report on
Monday.
TFIE REGENT.
Lord ALTHORPE said, that as the consideration
of the expected Message from the Prince Regent was
likely to take place on Tuesday, he should postpone
until Friday the motion of which be gave notice yes-
terday, with respect to the application of the vote of
100,0001. to the Regent for the purposes of an outfit.
Sir H. PARNELL moved for the appointment of
a Select Committee to consider the means of facili-
tating the intercourse between the two countries:be
improving the road from London to Holy head, and
establishing certain facilities for the conveyance of
the baggage belonging to Members of Parliament.
This :notion was agreed to after a conversation be-
tween Sir J. Newport, Mr. l'eele, the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, and Mr. V. Fittgerald.
THE CRISIS.
Mr:TIERNEY asked, whether the copy of the
overture from Bonaparte, which was promised yea_
terday by the Noble Secretory for Foreign AlTsir-,
would be presented this day ?
Ths CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ap-
prehended that the paper alluded to would be pre.
beefed on Monday.
Mr. TIERNEY thought it probable that the No.
ble Lord would not bring forward this paper instil the
day of debate, siaith a view, as 'say usual with shit
Noble Lord, to produce she,. 14.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQL Elt
made some observations %bids were quite inaudible
in the gallery.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that as notice Ised•been
given some time since, that public business wee to
commence at half after four o'clock, and as the How •
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proceedings at the Uongress..l Vongress. •-••• ••••• • •—•••••-• -•-• -
At to the proceedings at the Congress the Noble The Lords were ordered to be summoned for that I was not again to meet until Itlotich‘v, he ilsnoitht it •
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Y • Earl observed, that until they were reduced to the day.—Adjourned4 l necessary, in the absence of the :hole &clot.
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