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of the country, I pronounce them to be contrary to
C.* And shonld it ever come before me to decide °pop,
the question, I should not hesitate to order bills of iW
dictinent to be sent up to a Brand Jury against those la.
dis ideals, members of with an association, wherever I
can find the charge properly sustained. I n the North off r 11.!
land, those disturbers of the public peace. who assume the
name of OrangeYeentenifretttlenXibefatrsanit the mar-
kets with arms in their hands, tinder the pretence of self-
defence, or of protesting the poblie pease, but
,with the
lurking view of inviting the attacks from the Ribbon-
men, confident, ;hid, stencil as they. are, they must over- ,
come defenceless-opponents, and pat theist down. Mut-
fliti dere have been repeatedly committed on such occasions; i
and though legal prosecutions have ensued, yet such have I
• been the baneful conserrenceli df those factious associa- I
%ions, that undeutheir influence petty juries have dean*
ed, upon some occations, to do their duty. These facts
have fallen %miler my own view. It was sufficient to say
such a Ina, displayed such a colour—as in the crime of
murder or any other heinous crime—(hear, hear)—to pro-
duce an utter disbelief of his testimony ; or when one
• of a different party has-stood with his hand at the bar.
the display of his party badge has served to mitigate the
murder into manslaughter. With this Orange Associa-
tion I mix other recollections. and I emphatically state it
aelsig settled opinion. that until those 'associations are
*i*
lir
,stlfectually put down, end the arms taken from their
, .
~., 4, its vain will the North of Ireland look for tranquil-
-4,17- *:. peace."4-(ltear.tietr.) Here there was the miles-
. t meat table Judge, of great experience,. and a man
--. *veld lime no motive to give a false colouring. to the
frgitirt country—be je was that oaths
nought—thatoa th
s drai -
its litagalWes of the country, who ought to be the pre-
-*Oen of the Peeee were distracted into violent- parties.
Immtnne parts of Irefend i new race of Magistrates, in the
' el•semee of the native Classify, had sprung op, unworthy of
the commission of the peace, or of the rank to which they
UMW; compdset: of needy adventurers, traders in false
loyalty, polittesl pertinent, and jobbers in the estates et the
•
absentees. The same Learned Judge, in the space of eight
yew afterwards, totted no amendment In that soentry. The
same crimes were committed with the coonivanee or eneon-
tagement of the. Magistrates. and thousands of persons were
Writentoto a state not far different from rebellion. Having
said so mach of the abuses that notoriously existed in the
iltiseistreey of Ireland, he would call the attention of the
Meuse to the reform which tees attempted to be introduced.
It was stated that twelve counties had already undergone
the operatitai of a reform In the Magistracy, and much be-
sefit was mild to hese 'already resulted from that measure.
If file refonnatioa of the Magistracy was undertaken in that
I tof earnestness of which so much was said, great good,
. tiidbe,ubt, would follow; but be was informed that no alters-
.. tt n had 'yet taken plies to justify the expectation of any
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lb beneficial results to Ireland. He was informed that
i
~ from the commission. The deprivation of such a number
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gavel proof of tbe evil that before existed, and implied
that, - " - - was in operation. But the fact
atiseatees—(hear, hear)—
light lion. Baronet (Sir G.
( military officers—(hear,
description. some of whom
id some few by death.—(A
, fell under the actual charge
the house—just fourteen.—
were removed, and those
. whom were Rick or dead.—
there were Breene and all of
• la another coutity, that of
>ved. Among all those he 4
the Rev. Sir Ilareourt•Leos,
' not find that Major Sirr, of
Iplained of Mejor Sirr being'
'the peace. (Hear.) If that pee-
n at all, it was not in the view
he committed so many name-
come
within the rules of the 1
lagistrate at the Police Board .
end day and night. Mu
jess i
of his country am. a ver- ,
in against antudividael in a 4
is impossible to Meteor in
Ity and tyranny.. With the
I (Major Sandy's)., rebel-
helm his victim (711 - Hem-
I bAt his friend, Villo assisted
To Major Sandys he then
jailer. On the trial, a fter-
A ajor Sirr,-:-Ite dared him to
into the jary.bor to deny the
oter. Sire declined the chat-
tiest him a verdict ot Was-
h This could not, as was
. necessity of the Oates. Now
years, that saws Major Sire ap-
ench of justice.—(ltear, hear.)—
Wwn aside from the Magistracy
by calling In the name of Major
lade In Ireland exceed all calm- 1
onvlctions bore no proportios to '
I meliveholy to relate, but it was ,
s in Ireland were in the proper- 1
commitments in England and 1
be authorities of those several
..lyings, by citing the addj.tional
tesdale, whose opinion he need not '
- already quoted in that House,but 1
' again. In the month of July 1
Learned Lord said." I have .
M that ill-fated country for ' 1
(Mr. Brougham) was grieved 1 ,
,f that Learned Lord were not
issloned speaker—they were not ,
er, but of one who would rather I
'minim, than speak out,• if the
are not enormous. Actuated by
tainted, as ae was, with that
high judicial situation there, that
d might be relied on as good
' said the Learoel Lord, " In-
country fur twenty years, and
sorts orjustice exist in that ,
t, and another sort of justice
lly ill-administered."—(Hear;
ipposed that Lord Redeidale was
to complain. The system was
now louder than ever, yet it ex-
He would state some facts in
authority good enough of H-
ired to warrant an inquiry, than
loble Lord, who was Lord Chan-
it even if the Noble Lord had swot
I show the House that he ought to
they were true. It was not a
Juries were selected in the corpo-
'eorporators only—the everlasting
•ere chosen. Asks Dublin for in-
. to the late memorable instance
coasts. Tne Sheriff was the creature
i selected him, end be was selected
td all the prejudices of that body.—
ease of Sheriff Thorp which came
would take out of that proceeding a
iii the examination of one of the
IRenemers, one of those witnesses,
would recollect, some quesillos by
.sumgh, with a stew to mace 114 ere-
.stions was, whetlter thewititess had
invtrsation with a td4brShirifor Dub.
rit to peek a Jury I Mr. Mummer.*
years ago he was professionally en-
'As!. Before the trial his client gave
iends, and begged of him to try
li ive those on his Jtery, and that
Im in case be did so. He was then
fed to bribe the Sab-Sheriff? The
Aire I did communicate the wishes 1
into-Sheriff. Being asked what the I
a.t communication, the witness re-
r the exact wordsto my recollection,
he could not comply,- even if lie
question having been taken up by
he panel wrald be returneit (rein the
sac sent.—Being puked whether the

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Kab-Sheriff rejected the bribe, the witness answered,
•,he
Old not get it. finestlon-a-Why old be not. get ?.
Answer—fleiiisse he did not do I-bit was wanted.-4A
laugh.) From thatevidence of a respectable Solicitor of
'Dublin, it iris eTear.the practice of bribery to Sub-Sheriffs
to pack a Jury was quite common. Would bribery to pack
Juries to acquit of forgery he tolerated in this coun-
try ? The Sheriff who would take a bribe to pack
a Jury to acquit a person charged with forgery—he
would not say such a man could be bribed so toe-
vict the innocent--but would he not be easily influenc-
ed in the trial of political offences? He would not say
that particular Sub-Sheriff would do it—he did not nadse
the individual; in fact, he did sot in that case take the'
bribe, bat there were before the House the answers of
respectable solicitor, from which the House could well
infer the idea of the supposed—supposed among the Irish
solicitors—possibility of packing a Jury. Would not such
a supposition produce horror in the minds of the practi-
tioners of the law in this country ? Even if some of them
coiceived the idea of such practice, would they talk of it
so familiarly as Mr. Mummers did in that House ? Au-
other practice existed in Dublin, and of that also be could
produce evidence. The Sheriffs of Dublin usually re-
ceived a guinea from each of all those who were liable to
be called on to ierve on Juries, for the purpose of having
them excused from such attendance.—(Hear, hear,) But
those who did not please to pay that guinea were obliged
to serve. The rich were excused, while the poorer were
obliged to act as Jurors. But this practice was not confined
to Dublio. • It was also known in other parts of Ireland,
where the price of exemption was half-a-guinea.—(A
were ugh
the most eompeteat to sit on Juries.—(Hear.) Be-
sides, the injustice that might be the consequence of
ignorance, at all events, and to say the least of it, the
practice was most indecent.—(Hear, hear.) Another
*base in the administration of justice, of which he could
produce evidence at the bar of that House was, that the
King's writs did not run equally to all the King's :objects
in Ireland. A man against whom there was a writ out,
made his regular bargain with the Sheriff. He would nu-
-1 dertake to pay the Sheriff all his costs, as if themes-it was
actually executed, provided the Sheriff gave him notice
of the writ being put into his hands. That was the bar-
gain between the Sheriff and the rich man ; but the poor
man not paying, the writ wad regularly executed on him.
This was not an overcharged statement. It was actually
proved by the evidence taken before the Committee sitting
op stairs only two days ago. In the examination of an
attorney before that Committee, he was asked if there was
any difficulty in recovering debts in Ireland. He said
this practice existed in the office of the Sheriffs through,
the country, and that there was no possibility, of recover-
ing debts. He was of opinion, that the practice was con.'
fined to that race of persons who were called gentlemen
fa Ireland. and pervaded the whole country, Dublin and
part of Cork excepted. The Sub-Sheriffs were in the
ibeatent habit of sending notice to those gentlemen
far whom they received writs to serve on them, taking
oar* to be previously secured in their fees and charges
The witness having been asked if there was any dif-
ficulty in recovering debts of the poorer people, answer-
sit, that be considered the Sheriff obtaining no favour of
them did not notice them.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.)
It was the interest of those persons to give speclialties,
because the writs on them were sere to be executed.
Ono:practice wac reserved for We lower classes, an-
eithei-for the rich (the Sheriff declining to proceed on
do *tits against them), or as lord Redesilale said, eU
NW of justice was for the rich, another for the poets
both equally ill-administered 4 such was the ease in the
law departments of the, administration of justice. But
there was soother catamount evil. It was tautest int-
ifsible that the edges of the higher tribunals could
free from"..l partiality. They were raised from a re-
I igious parry, and still belonged to a sect, to which all
offices, emoluments, and all promotions were con-
fined. They belonged to that favoured class to which
the .iberiffs also belongedr--the Sheriffs, who all were
more or less concerned in packing Juries. When the
House considered that they had evidence of the daily
practice of the Sheriffs of taking bribes to prevent the
execution of justice, it would not be difficult to infer
-the practice with other authorities. With the judicial
Bench of Ireland be had no acquaintance. He tally
saw that which, in a Judge, he thought highly indeco-
roue. A Judge ought to be a person of a solemn and
decorous habits—he ought to be guided by the strictest
impartiality—be should preserve himself free from soy
mixture in civil dissensions and political parties. ' A
Judge, mixing in the low tactics of party partiality,
ought to be removed, as a mixture of that sort struck
at the root of all dignity, all impartiality, and that de-
cency and gravity that should be inseparable from such
dignified Magistrates, and disqualified them front exer-
cising carefully the sword of justice. lie considered
Lord Norbury—whom, by the privilege of Parliam-ut,
he had a right to name, as well as lie had a right to
name Irish Sheriffs and Attorneys—no just Judge ought
to object to the mention of his name—and no Judge
would be just. if the practice of forbearing to allude
to him, from respect to his situation, were to be eolith'
nued in that House. As lung as Judges were men,
they would be liable to error, and would perpetrate un-
worthy acts, as long as that House dare- not inentioa
them—be considered that Judge, whelp he had named;
one whose practices brought disgrace on the Judicial
Bench. It was now a year since he had read in that
House a letter written—he assumed that, for it was
not contradicted by the late Attorney-tieneral for Ire-
land, Mr. Saurin, to that learned Lord—a letter which
Do Judge ought to 'allow to be written fo him. No
Judge should allow—coine it from whom it would—
such a letter to be written to him without meeting with
a flash of indignation—come it from a friend, the
writer should no longer bear that honoured appella-
tion. it was now a year: since he brought that letter
before the notice of the House. The Attorney-tieneral,
Saurin, denied it nut; Lord Norbury made no answer—
he did not say with an honest and honourable indigna-
tion that he was above censure, and that be ivarentla
whose conscience secured him from insult. No answer
was made in this country, and if there was an answer.
In Ireland, it mast hive transpired hither. It would
teem by that letter that Lord Norbury jobbed on circuit
—(hear) —and was sometimes called on by the firet law-
officer of the Crown in Ireland, to prostitute his high
offices to the purposes of law faction. The Atternee.tle
neral, Mr. Saurin, to writicg to Lord Norbury, took leave
to'extract part of a letter white from another Noble Lord,
saying, " As Lord Norbairsoitolour circuit, and. as lie is
personally acquainted with ite gentlemen of our county,
a hint to him may by of use. He is in We habit of
talking individually to them in his chamber at Phillips;
town; (a habit, said Mr. Brougham, more honoured'
in the breach than in the observance)—" he is •in the
habit of talking individually to them in his priesth
ehamber in Phillipsto aro, and if be wete to impress ed
them the consequences of the measure, vis, that, ho
ever, they may think otherwise, •the Citholics w0u..14,
in spite of them, elect Catholic Members (if such San
eligible); that the Catholic Members would then have
the Damnation of the Sheriff's, and in many intestines,
perhaps, of the Judges, and that the Protmeauts woodsi
be put in the back ground, as the Catholics were former.
1-v.' Wise Chief Justice, said the lion. Member. to in-
trigue in that manner and: to sully the purity of justice,
of a Lich be ought to be the ornament? " I think (eon-
Outwit the letter) he would bring the effect. of the mea-
sure (that was the emancipation of the Catholics) home
to theiuselyes, and satisfy them that they could acarrely
submit to live la the country if it were passed, That If
therProteshint lief Semen who have votes and interest
would gird those metal *tubas to uutterstuad that if

they will rumble Catholic cotes; thil t. by betraying
their country int its Constitution they shell infallibly
lose theirs, it would alter their conduct, though it could
neither make them honest nor respectable?" So far for.
Lord. Blank's letter,said the Hon. Mernber,and then read
the subjoined advice of Mr. Sauna to Lord Norhury—
," If you will judicious administer a liule of this meth
tine—(Load laughing) to the King's Comity, or any
other Members of Parliament that may fall in your way,
Ton will deserve well." • . • • • •
He would add Lord Norbary!e newest joke as it appeared
la the Dublin papers. That Learned Lord used his joke
with a view to refeet on a Right Hon. Gentleman of that
House (Mr. Canning), and in order to come at his joke, so
much dearer was to bin his jest than justice—(a laugh)—for
the sake of that jest he refused a rule which was applied for,
add which he ought to grant as a matter of course. The
eye was this—a barrister having been told by a military
eSeer that what he said on some occasion In Court was false,
Odd having been menaced by him, a motion on behalf of the
barrister was made in the Common Piens, for a rule for a
criminal information against the officer. To this application
a compliance with which was a matter of course, Lord New-
bury, the Chief Justice, said, " l remember a time when, if
the words were addressed to me, I should not have been at •
loss in supplying an Llamado. Why, you petty fellow, do
you come to me (the Chief Justice meant), you know that
he wants to fight you—go. you coward.' The phrase has
eertaluly something of a gladiator sound.—(A laugh.) No
man respeets the law more than L do, but great allowance is
to be made for the chivalrods propensities of the men of the
sword. They don't, as Hamlet says in the play, set their
' lives at a pin's fee.'—{A laugh.) The House, said the
r Hon. Ittrainber, °bur* the ribaldry,of the Chief Justice to
cosne-ai his jokeT-tei make the people laugh. "On the other
hoard, the Gentlemen of the Bar have a repugnance to arrest
laugh)—qbat fall sergeant,' death.' From which pro-
fessiob the tonsorial bard dtew his illustration, I shall leave
to the commentators—Cedani arma togce was good Latin
and good law ; but I am a friend to conciliation, and shall
give a triumph to neither .party."—(Lood end continued
laughter.) In the newspaper from which he read that jest,
be found it was said to • be followed by ,load laughing—
load laughing in • Court of Justice! Wht teat was
the object, and it was for the sake of that laugh his
poor brother barrister was refused his rule. After
that the Noble Gerd added " no ,illuilen."—(A laugh.)
—These jests were unfit for the gravity of a' Judge.
He (Mr. Brougham) venerated the- bench: he had the
highest regard for the• body to which he belonged. He
appealed to his professional brethren, and to the Judges
themselves, whether he ever showed any dispesition to trifle
in a Court of Justice. Ifs revered the Judges so long as
they respected themselves. but when he found a Judge sub-
stituting intrigue for jestice, and sacrificing right for the
sake of ribdidry and silly jests, and that in a man who was
sot above being tampered with by n Crown lawyer, his ve- •
aeration for such a man was gone ; his respect, his pa-
tience even was gone. With all men ie and out of the pro-
fession, with whom he discussed %it subject, there was
sat one sentiment of disgust at that attempt to make a Judge
a low intriguer. He trusted Lord Norbury did not 'lend
himself to the attempt; but there was ho proof that he re-
coiled at the proposal. In the Civil Bill business in Ire-
land there was the same perversion of justice. In the Re-
venue Boards men set to decide cases of forfeiture to which
they were by no means competent. lie feared he had ex-
hausted the patience of the House, but not his subject.—
The reckoning was long delayed, but the authors of those
abuses,though late, would one day have to render an account
of their stewardship. Ungenerously this country ever acted'
towards Ireland—when all tits favours Ireland could bestow
were exhausted, when her movers were expended. when
England refused to grant her any further boon. In the day
of danger, when the peace of the country was threatened by
a foreign enemy, partial asaistenee was granted ; but when
the war ceased, and difficulty aud (Wager was at an end, ail
consideration for Ire:aod terminated, rind she was left to
eau aed despair. Ireland, with a soil, fertility itself—
Ireland with a climate temperate and bountiful
Irelaini, with every natural blessing, possessing a peasantry
skilful, active, and patient—with all the benefits which
Nature and Providence so liberally '.poured out upon
her, was, from its connection with this country, de-
graded
end unhappy. The people of England had been ,
Its conquerors at one period—they were its stewards fer
many years. It was an object worthy of their tittpution..
bat oever of 'heir kind or amiable solicitude. If it was so
far • short thee, it was only at those periods when they
*ere in jeopardy, and their own safety at hazard. They
bad received strength from Ireland—they had raised the
edifice of their own glory with its assistance ; but the
I happiness or prosperity of Irelandnever seemed to be an
object either for their liberality or their gratitude,—
(ileac, hear.) They only sought to make it a safe pos-
session, and by a system which was a disgrace to tneir
annals, by such Acts as that aanually repeated, of a hich
they should one day render an account, and which poste-
rity woukl regard as a black add disgraceful Act. These
were the modes taken to keep down a populatiOn to whom
existence was rendered rather a cuise than a blessing—on
whom the bounty of Nature, the salubrity of climate anti
their genial soil were thrown away. These were corn-
plaints of bad usage not made up for the occasion. The 4
people of Ireland again repeated their appeals for jus-
tice ; they say they have been treated unjustly—they
offer to prove it at your bar—they have proved it before in
stairs. They have proved that as•jastice
iasCrtont ti
imnititteengliV and sold to the rich or withheld front toe
poor, though it.may be occasionally delayed, in
it h not only sold. to the rich aud refused to the poor, I '
.but that it is to all classes delayed. Tnere was the state
in which that country was found, and to which the hotiet
of Lord. Redesdale was directed. It was' in vain hides.:
guise the troth: they were on the brink of a precipiel on
which be dared scarcely look. They must either go
total ruin, or he made better after one short interval And
he prayed to GOD that an interval may be granted, "
low that chance of making them better to be secured.—
For if it be granted (and as was often the wise before) that
it was taken advantage of, and that nothing.wis dine,
there was a fearful crisis approachiag; which he could
nut at that moment venture to dwell upon. He might be.
wrong. He might be
:told thathe was speaking the lin-
gnage of the petitioners—that he declaimed under thein.;,
MIMICe of powerfol and exaggerated feelings. But if he
was wrong,. he erred with all nature. He eyed with
the spirit-of the British' Constitution—he erred with
Oil authority of all great men in British history-;--
aad if he was wrong, he erred with nature and with the
decrees of Providence which has denoanced punishment
to tbe tyrant and, the oppressor.—(Hear, hear.) It was to
him the-maddest of all follies to drive as they bad dope a
rest people almost to despair. It would be absidttle
madness itself-to force them to utter and acknowledge
'despair.- A high Authority bad said that injustice would
drive a wise man mad; what then could be said where six
millions of people were in question? The case which lie
laid before them was not to be met by flimsy deMices or
by those pretences with which they have heretofore been
mitt. At one titne.the country was frightened- with the
name of Bonaparte, at another with the bugbear of da-
cobinismond toe's with the fear of breaking down a strong
and powerful Administration. In latter days, the scruples
in the Monarch wereurged till all those weighty or mum.
portant objections *ere at length removed. Bonaparte died
in solitary confinement on a desert rock—(Hear, hear.)
The Monarch harkalso gone to his grave, and his ampler
of conicience were strait with him in the tomb. As to
the dread of breaking down a strong and powerful Ad-
otirds:ration, of all fear that was the least likely to create
atty.apprthensiOn fn the present day.—(Hear and laugh .-
tee.) Another course which was pursued in latter days'
had the effect of adding mockery to injustice. It was a re-
finement on cruelty, aftecgoading the people of Ireland,
!o despair to make no attempt to infinite into the cause of
their injuries, but to renew measures of force and oppre
sum. thet had to look to as a care for their wounds
is a reftetiense•for their wonnds, wawa notarial of Penal
Enaclaseits.—(llear.)• Of all the blessittge of Ireland,
there was ,tione oiot.e taeiatly bestowed, evedlieyfind the
iiisogjapj lootati oiliaturep ib44 gifts of blessed-
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this moment. And now, when they are called upon for
an inquiry into the stateof those complaints and excesses,
they are told not to inquire, but to enforce new enact.
insets to enchain and keep the people down—(Hee,r).—. • •
Montego:den has said, "the more youtload a people
with chains. the more dangerous it is to yourselves, for
they will at last burst their fetters. aid. arseir'T them-
selves With them, will rise up against yen end avenge
dins wrongs."—(Hear, hear). He (Mr.B.) would show.
the neople of England a better course. Sopprog he
could show them an easy road to the hearts of the Ir;sis
people. He gave them the choice: which will they pre-
fer, the hearts of the peop'e of Ireland. or the applause lif
the Orange Lodges ?—(Clieers). Take the former, and
he would venture to say that a richer harvest of gmtitade
was never reaped—(bear !)—than England would re.
care—gratitude, not measured by the benefits conferred,
but that heartfelt—that sincere gratitude which partook
of all the character and enthusiaam of devutiou. lad
them Ohs a sample of that gratitude—let them recol-
lect hew a Monarch was hailed who went among them
with only the promise of freedom, and what would
the representative of the county expect from a greeting,
when they bore them not the promise of freedom, bet the
falll Meows and bounty of the Constitution I—(Hoar.) It
wias a. powerful inducement—it held out a glorious and in.
vitleg,prospect for contemplation, but which he dare nut
indulge in at the moment from the bitter contrast he must
feel On coming back to the true story-and sad reality of mi-
sery and despair—of demands for rignisoureflressed, and of
benefits deferred. Let him not be told whenever these com-
plaints were renewed, and when evidence was offered at their
bar, that ell inquiry would be denied. To do an injury was
disgraceful in itself—to deny redress was ga ling, and ii,
addition to injustice; bet when, instead of redress, ther
were told dislike facts were not admitted, and that even itt-
quiry would not be granted—when it was said we won't
examine or allow you to prove your ease, suck a system was
most inhuman, and an addition of insult to a mockery ofju.-
tice. He, for his part, had discharged hit duty; he had
shaken Off ell responsibility from himself. If the inquiry be
refused, hd should deplore not that he had dune hi; duty and
brpught tab ease before them, but that they had refused that
late ect of justice, without which, be feared, there Was nei-
ther to be expected peace for Ireland nor safety to
.P.nglind.
—(Cheers.) He concluded by moving that " the petition be
referred to the Grand Committee for Courts of Justice." •
Mr. GOULBURN hoped that the House would not he led
away. by the eloquence of the Hon. and Learned Mamie
ber, from the petition on'thetateme He laboured ender the
disadvantage of rising in reply to a detail of facts'brought
forward at so late a period of the Session, wheninnny Meu.
bers'were not present, who would have borne ample tectint.-
ny of the fair and full administration of juslic • in trained.
The Hoe. and Learned Gentlemen appeared to feel that the
Musa was called upon to itivestieate the administratioe of
justice, le consequence of a petition, miaow no fief. but
consisting merely Of e. aelsoatory, or he (Mr. G.) ailed
"net say of defamatory assertions. Hp belie/et that f'.:.:
eitatiments of that petition were net those of the majority of
the Roman Catholics of Ireland. When; he looked at this
eirstures, lie was satisfied that the petition was not is
-,i ison with the feelings and opininus of any contiderstop
portion of the people of Ireland. From his local expects . .
if the respeetabiliity and loyalty of many of the Roman
,holies of that country, he in their name, disclaimed a '
participetion in the libel, falsely professing to emanate from
ahem. Wbat would the Hun. and Learned Gentlemso hs
said, if a petition had been presented, alleging that the lio-
*ego Cetholie insurgents in the South of Ireland poseesse..l
each se influence over the minds of the jurors. as to enab'e
them to procure the acquittal of guilty Catholics', and the
condemnation of innocent Protestants? If that petition had
proceeded from an assoei alon founded on etcl.osire princi-
ples—an Orane.r. Society for inet,oee—would the Han, an t
Learned Gentleman, on its unsupported eliegationi, ber-s
agreed to refer the administration of jamiee to the enn•i-
deration of • committee? Would he hare consented ths4
to cast an indelible reflection on the Catholic population,
The lien. and Learned Gentleman admitted that the
House was called on to condemn witheadt viiderme of
guilt ; but his ingenuity fnettisheri an excuse tn. this es.
traordinary abeeper. The petitioners. forsooth, thought
(so said the liimourable and Learned Gentleman) that
abe House must be aware of the facts which they ought
to have set forth in their petition. It was necessary fm.
him (Mr. G.) to comment upon the fallacy a-,(1 mitre-
staleness of this deCirfne. He freely concurred in ail
that the lion. and Learned Gentleinant,had said revert-•
logy the importance of the parity of the adminiq r.it ion I f
justice. But while the House watched over that must t:.
valuable object, it ought equally to guard against ex-
posing the courts of la* to enwarranted suspicion. .1
more ready mode of diminishing the veneratioe in which
those courts should be held. could/hardly be deeised,thaa
Iby
Itthaf followed the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, wha
had employed his eminent eloquence and ability to repre-
sent the Cu..rta of Ireland as corrript from top to bot!orn. •
The commission to which the Hon. and Learned Gentle-'
man had referred, had expi essly declared that suspicion
would of itself ivorlg all the suiethief which actual ilipit-
rity wadi produce. What must the population of I.e- :
land think if they beard that On the presentation of this t..
petition a mein had been adopted of which there bail
been brio example for :fifty years? The charges were
two fold; tinstksthat the administration of the law *ids
respect to.Catholies and Protestants tr.'ve not equal : and
secondiy,. that the unequal• edministrationt was corrupt..
As to the-first point, the law was more severe against the
Catholic:lA' England than against those of Ireland, to
remedy which a bill was now in progress through the
House. Besides, the
.govertidtent of 'Mend haul no
power welter-the:inequality of the law. Parliatnentelose
could effeet that arnendinedt. Oa the second point, it
'was inctiMbent on him (Mr. O.), as matter of duty. to es-
ter more into detail. The Hon. and Learned Gmtletaan hail
fallen into the mistake of arguing as if I relit:dream-beg, 1
Lana. The same :sampans} practices were not applicant
to the two countries. Here the Lord Chancellor very pro•
perlv refused to interfere with the magistracy unless de-
linquency had bees premed ia *.court of law; Wain Ire-
land it was absolutely necessary to dismiss magisttates,
for particular reasons which could net apply to the same
class of persons in England. It was beyond doubt thet
r magistrates had been appointed in Ireland who had abus-
ed their power, and. acted in the most corrupt manner.--
A great reform had therefore become necessary, and was
'carried into execution by the Lord Chancellor of Ireland,
most impartially. Having been admitted by that lean-
ed and distinguished personage to a knowledge of tie
complaints which had led to the dismissal of the mash-
Crates, he could conscientiously declare that the Len
Chancellor had executed his arduous and silicate del!
,mei;lout regard either' to political or religious considera-
tions. It would have been more worthy oi the West'
of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman to have or
ported the Lord Chancellor in the discharge of his den
instead of lending their weight to thwart and frostno
that necessary purification.
[Mr. BROUGHAM.-1 do not charge the Lord Clise.
cellor with having done too much, but with having OA
too little.] ;1
The Hanonreble and Learned Gentleman had chat
1 the Chancellor with,bavieg dismissed some magi Ara
correptly, not in een a r,tas but by inference. There w
a countyin Ireland of which the list of magistrates
had not been,inere or less purified. If, instead of or,
ring only to the northers counties, the Honourable. so
Learned fieutleman had extended his view otter
country. be %%Weld Life found that the puri
peen, where it was most wanted, most complete.;
It/movable. blennser,for Limerick could have s ,
a that a great practical referee lad been efts,
'''`ufth cases or &Wag sad diffiaahr bed
1

• • ' I • that a grest.redical measure Was it
: . was, that these the. consisted of u
ammg 1
1 'I. • s L will) to bironef(a lapposell11)18. Rpti
, r bear)—and mine oth
erse of a like
and
ri
• . ~;.' , --. were discptaftded by kes
...... • aegh.) Hetweeleny of those 132 ft
1
~ . . ' , • ~ f removal?Malreulj inform the
'arc ''' (Thar. hear.) Its county 23 s
,) `sere It, " .--. •
".,,, :s .. ere all mintier , ail of w'
::. . '.. ' . CA lenge.) la
i
ty tbei
• ~` atemarere ' of, lave ' es. - 11
111 z., ' Prltosaghen, stetson' ' tremove
I ..:
- 1 . , .r.4od ene—P9l r sick. the
•:' • I • - oaf nemoresl.—(Hear. Ile did a
.* • • Abitn.Well removed. lie compli
- ontiopedlathapommission of tbe
• b coils to SO HMO commission at
fOM lafialittints over whom he
.1
.
',l4,is tylannles, He 'did not con
IL ell Chiseellor; he was a Magi
1 ;toil:rife.
abri:sei and set
ireLtratlitoeryr,
- 1 diet, contrietiog him of oppression
.
: , ;c
~ ease, 4-parallel to which it was
a . tie history of hlagisteriat eruelt,
Assistance of another individual 1
. .
1
... . patedan nrdsrof ariest to overwr
7
Vs ); and had this order vouched
1 , . ftis the: perfitrallon of the fraud.
1 • ,# 101 elivered•bver hie victim • his j
• *PAS. Mr.'Oarran called on 'Ms
pot the associate of his villany in
dtarge. litsadye durst not eot,
'testae, and the jury returned soil
• Coe. oppression, and. extortion.
s.iit, be justified by the direful n
after an interval of twenty yeah
prered still sitting on the bench 1
• i ile didl•p not avoid being drawn
• 'of HI county of Modaghen, by c
--- ~ Illier.- The commitments made
.
, Vtion ; but the number of coast
/those commitmeat.. It was mel
1 • ..the fact that the conottitments in
' 4 ' tiers of four 10 one to the cor
Wale,. 14e: would close the
groat inea's opinions and sayir
tesdreeny of Lord Redesdale,
eulogise. Hie words were airs
they deserved to be mentioned i
tr. June last, that Noble and
been intimately connected with
C
naar twenty yenre." And he (
to say, that those words of
I YOH reali'dlords of en imprint
1 'the word's' of a hasty mover,
• shut his oyes to the spat
l• • • abuses of the system were i
those feelings, and ac.quaint
country, by means of his higl
Noble and Learned Lord I
I ' .
asauthority. " I have been,"
Aimately cooneeted with that e,
I am grieved to say that two a
• wormy—one sort for the rich,
for the poor, and both equall
• fear.) It was not to he suppc
ferreted with a disposition to
a, • quite epidemic, Mid though no
• '' '' • is'ed for one hundred years.
• _.....
support or Ibis' bie al
~,,
t,..: litS •If no better nresZebeetarequin
such an opinion from a Nobl
it- cello'. of the country. Bet e'
used those words, he would al
have used them, and that th
trifling matter to tee how Jut
. . rations of 'lreland. whereat,'
enemy of the Catholics—wet
. • Mese-, he would not advert 1
.
• i that ttanie before that House.
Of . the Corporatiou who ode
Into office because he had el'
•
. lie would not go into the eat
.
• before the lloose, but helm
, .
. • litilei fact which came oat iii
witnesses. Mr. Dillon Mar
was asked. if the House wo
the lion. Member for Am./
4 dip. linear those question
. some years before% c omen
i.o..iu order to get hint II" I
answered. that poise years
assert in a etlisinal ORS!.
him the LIMPS 0( some fri,
to get the Sub•Sheril to I
he stout! remunerate him
I • • 5.... - asked if he had athroptel
alters, replied, to be suet
1 , e al toe prisoner to the $lll
lub-Sherig said to ili It
f i . • • 'l4 I tannet bring Ili
't ' k * 1 thinkbe acid he
•
1 : ! .' 0, A, b mouse tit". quiet
but. ' sip dicr, the. pa
Wishe 'titter it was 1
the 6t'''
Castle, "e•
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