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men opposite to him considered it as a topic *MCI he
could urge with success. They were opposed by the
Whig•. a party of great wealth, talent, awl respecta-
hility, honourably united together in order that they
might Let into office, and thereby serve the country
most hfFectually :—they were opposed by another party
inimicol to all existing establishments in Church and
State, these were called the Radicals, end he was
willing to admit that they were as different from the
Whigs in character, and in their objects, " as light
from darkness." These two parties, however, so essen-
tially different in every thing else, agreed in one point.
The Whigs had found out that they could do nothing
that was good, and the Radicals had discovered that
they could do nothing that Was had while the present
Ministers remained in office. and therefore these two

discordant parties heartily joined together to torts them
out. This junction had given them the appearance of
strength, hut still that strength was only formed by the
union of those who always apposed Ministers. The op-
ponents of Ministers at all the public meetings were
composed of Whigs and Radicals. witness tl►e meet-
ings at Liverpool, at Bedford, in Hampshire, hs London,
&e. but that the public opinion was not so hostile to
Mink:era as Gentlemen asserted,apprsred from the num-
ber of loyal add that were pouring in from every
part of the country, addresses which hail not been pro-
cured by any efforts of Ministers, but were the spouta-
..rons expressions of the persons whose names were sub-
scribed. Neither he nor any of his colleagues would
wish to remain in office one hour after they had bat the
confidence of 'the people ? but Ministers were not to be
ennvinced by time assertions of the Gentlemen on Op!
other side of she House, that they hail lost that confi-
dence, nor would they be induced by ►lamuour or by
taunts to desert their duty to their Sorereig.n and their
country. It was common at the brzinning of every
Session to hear that Ministers were about to resign ;
lists of their successors were handed about, and it was

said that they collid not remain a week in office. Titis
reminded him of what used to he the case in the !'coin-

sula ; the intercepted correaponilener of Joseph Bona
parte wan full of observations upon the blunders of the
English General, and of prophecies that the allied army
was about to he destroyed ; but it always happened that
'him blundering thoseral, as soon as be got sight of the
enemy's army, rumihilareil it was with respect to
the rumours to which he alluded, if they were to be be-
lieved, the Ministers could not exist a week, but when
the battle took place the truth appeared, the %'higs were
defeated, and the Ministers confirmed in their places.
There was one other point on which hr wished to say a
few words. Ministers were acrused of persecuting the
Queen. and the strongest epithets were lavished upon
them, be how would the U hip have acted if they hail
been in power, and hail been in possession of evidence
which they believed affected the Queen. They would
nut have negotiated, they would have proceed at once,
and if the opinion of one of the Whig Leaders had been
taken they would have proceeded against her for High
Treason. Another charge aga:ust them was. that by
proroguing Parliament they had prevented the Queen
for two months from obtaining any redress; bat what
was the proposal in the celebrated letter of Lord John
? Why, after the Report of the House of Lords
heen made. after the Bill of Pains and Penalties had
Peen brought in, he proposed in August lot, that Par-
liament %tumid be prorogued, which would hare placed
the Queen in that very same situation fur six months.
Air. Pole then repli...l to the animadversions of Sir James
Mac'..intosh upon Mr. Bankes, and paid a tribute to the
publiLl conduct of the latter rientleman.
Sir FRANCIS lILTHETT rose, as well to olfer
a few ohit7rvations on the sohject before the House,
as to notice and reprehend those rhapsodies which
escaped a Right lion. Gentleman over the way, and
whirl: though very amusing to tit • house, were yet
highly insulting to the Country—(!tear, hear.)—llis
allosian to the Whks had no sort of relation to the
sub..ct before the House; for what did it matter
whether they had coalesced with the Radicals or nut.
It mattered' little as regarded the Titration, and per-
haps less as regarded the Whigs themselves. The
Right lion. Gentleman had gone back so far as the
early life of rON ; hut whatever that great man might
at any time have said, as to that House expressing the
sense of the country, no one could assert that it was
now tae representative of the people of England. If
the Right lion. Gentleman entertained such an opinion
hittrielf, lie was certainly very singular in it. It was
said that the %%'higs joined with the people at large.
—(No, from the 3linisterial Benelies.)—He was sure
the word " many" was used; and he hared the num-
bers guided b, and connected with, the rare talents
.4 the Whigs, would make Ministers feel the import-
ance of their complaints. The Right Itio. tlentlemaa
was coarse in his expressions to a degree unknown in
that House, which, whatever it was in a representative
sense, was certainly the t gentlemanly and prac-
tical—the best audience in the wochl—(Hear!)—
Ministers tvere attempting to degrade Royalty in the
minds of the people, who were for vindicating the
dignity of the Crown against its Niinisters. It had
been said that they were anxious to preserve Iran-
goi:lity. If they seriously wished for it, they should
not have made an offer to the Qtwen to remain
abroad, and at the same time make it impossible
for her to stay there. A Right Honourable
tientleman, Member for Oxford, had said, that the pro-
ceeding., here undertaken in order to prevent " imputed
adultery" and " Pigh Treason" from mounting the
prone. lie seetued to treat her as guilty; and what
then was the effect of the intended measnre. Were not
these imptited crimes still upon the Throne, in spite of
them, if the Qiteen n'ali not innocritt.--(hear, hear.)
The lion. Baronet next animadverted with great seve-
rity on the manlier in which a Learned Gentleman then
present hail 0pen,..1 his charges against the Queen ; anal
whose latigoagc on the occasion was so foul. that one
would suppose it Ii: t 1 been burrowed from Billiogirate.
That Learned Gentleman had made the most infamous
eliar!es, which he never was able to prove by evidence.
Even ha i the charges been true, if he possessed the feel-
ings of autan.—(Lourl cries of Order.)
The SPEAKER observed, the Hon. Baronet must
feel that imputations of this kind were incotiaistent with
order.
Sir E. BURVETT most readily boxed to the opi-
nion given from the Chair ; and whenever he departed
from the duty which he owed to the House, be felt
grateful in being told so. He had been alluding to the
charges made by the Attorney-General against a Lady
'of the highest rank, bait who had s iffered unukr se-
vere misfortnnea, which were calculated to excite any
man's compassi m even were her conduct such as it
had been r presented to be. But in such a case as
that which had come before the other House, where.
no one knew who the prosecutor was, for uo one had'
avowed himself as such—(Hear, hear,)—in such a,
case, where a public prosecutor ought to hate' 'chow%
every sort of kindness, of tenderness, aand indulgence,
when lie was bouud by every moral duty rather to ea.!
tenuate than aggravate the case he had in hand, there
was no occasion fur such a harsh rout e 43 the Learned

had pursued, for if he hail found Mussel(
prove any one clear fact, lie ought to hates reek:
ed on that, and have spared the public from all the dis-
gusting and nauseating details which lie had wade. Ye*
after all those details together, with the unsupported
exposition of the Att.-Gen. had gone forth to the publie,
her Majesty's month was shut, and she was unable es
make a reply. Yet how different was the conduct of the
Learned Gentleman in other instances! It was only 3
or 4 days ago that the Attorney-General objected to the
reading of affidavits in the Court of King's Bench;'
which he (Sir F. Burdett) had hraught forward in ex-
tenuation of the language which he had used in his let-
ter—for the only way of knowing the extenuation that'
could he advanced, was b) proving the facts which his
language had averted to. Ike only reason riven by the
Attornee.General for objecting to those affidavits was,i
that other' parties not before the Court might he affect-,
ed by them. But there was no ground for using such
an argument against his justification, for it was impossi-
ble that a set of dragoons who cut down a number eft
unresisting people at Manchester, could be brought to
trial, in consequence of any statements made on Isis affi-
davits being read in the Court.—(Cries of order, and
hear.)—But in the prosecution of her Majesty, the
Attoraey-General did not observe the same rule which
he bad so rigidly insisted on the other day in the
Court of -King's Bench, for lie endeavoured
to prejudice her Majesty's case before she
was brought to trial. Whatever might have been the
legality of leaving the (astern's name out of the Liturgy,
and saying that it w.:s 'he prero.ative of the Crown to
do so, the qnestlon for the [louse of Comisions to awl
eider wss, whether that prrroentire, supposing it to ex-
ist, had been wisely exercised. lie really believed, that
if the thing were to he done over again, the Noble Lord
opposite would not be inclined to give his advice for
such a measure ; for piddle oinnion was decidedly
against the act, and politic mita, always have its
due weight. But it teas not to he made known by per-
eons signing their names to declaratioas in secret place ;
it was only to he known by ',oldie meetinzs, althottzh
such meetings might be ellled a farce. There never was
any thing so folly and um-iplivorally expressed
as the opinion of the pest* respecting the
Queen ; and at the same time the great both
of the people, even including the Radicals, mash- a
manifest distinction between the King and his Alinis.ers
in expressing their npinina respecting the conduct of the
latter. Inileesl, they had shown all possible respect for
his Majesty.—(hear, hear.)—lt was impossible to con-
ceive any thing more mischievous than the declaration
that her Maysty was not an innocent person: (Jr
the feeling et the public was universal respecting her
innocence. It was like a trade wind, it blew one way ;
it had already set in, and was more likely to end in a
storm than to be abated. Whether the Queen was inno-
cent or guilty, there conic' he no doubt of the guilt of
Ministers in Gritteing forward aeaiust her those charges
%%hid, were already so well known to the world :
charges which haul been taiouteil by every honest wan and
which would have been scouted from any cowman Court
of Justice : fur who could pressene to impute guilt to her,
after the charger were supported by such witnesses as
hail been brought farmer:l ?—witnesses whovi evidence
some of the Ministers on the opposite a;sle of the
House, according to the principles on which they
had opposed the emaucipation of the Catholics is
Ireland, here not inclined to consider as admissible, be-
cause they looked on those Catholics as persons who
eoneidertel thewesilees not to he hound by their oaths.
If Ministers would not believe Catholics an their own
country, why shoul,l they rely so much on the oaths of
a set of vile, treacherous, and ab'andoned characters,
who had given evidence against the Queen ? But had
these witnesses eren been respectable persons, it was
highly criminal in Ministers to have brought forward
raebscharges against the Queen no their single testi-
mony. It was therefore a most important good done to
the country and the Royal Family that the people did
mot believe those abandoned witnesses. hind the Queen
been really guilty, the Ministers ought to have kept the
people from knowing any thing of her guilt. It was
evident then that they had acted in a manner itenst
impolitic; that they could net see beyond their noses;
and that their only object was to keep themselves
in power. There was another strong point of evi-
dence in this case. The late President of the !Weed of
Control, a man of elegant taste, bail told the House
that the goes n was the crate of polished scrims-, ke.
and be was sure if the Right lion. Gentleman had re-
mined here, he would hare been able to stop the prus
ceedines against her Majesty—(Clear, hear): and it
was much to be regretted that he haul not remained.—
(Hear, front the Opposition.)—As to State necessity fur
the proceedings against the Queen, be believed there was
none; but if there land been any still be maintained the
Ministers were culpable. After the separation of her
Majesty front Ilse Kine, she continued here without
:ouch notice; but if Ministers thought her likely
to commit delinquencies, they never slu.ohl have per-
mitted her to quit the country; soil 'fin the s nurse of six
long years they hear.! of her going on in a career of ini-
quity, why dill not they warn her of her conduct?—
And when they came to call her to account for those six
years of profligacy, haw they to drop ilst re, and
those the three most imp wtan*, because the three last
ye trs ? If she hail been so had for throe years, how
CAW' it tlsat all her viciousness ceased just at that time,
and that site committed' no fault after ? Besides, during
the three years of fleliminency, her name continued in
the Liturgy, and why steeds' it be removed immediately
on the ,:eatli of the late King? Now, the House had on
this sitbject the verdict of the Noble Lord's late wilco-
gue : and unless the expedience and the witoloha of the
proceeding could be proved, the present Ministers were
11r:deserving of the support of the public, unless in the
option of the Member for (*.mire Cagle, they were to he
'considered the palladium of that member, and the 80,
, rough he represented.
Mr. PEEL now rose to explain, and denied that he
bad last night made any injurious expressions against
her Majesty. lie also denied the imputation as to
what he had tail about Catholic Emancipation and
Reform.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, it was not his
intention to have troubled the House in this debate t
but after the observations of the Hon. Baronet, there.
was no necessity.for him to make an apology for rising
on this oreasiou.—(Hear, hear:)--.ls to violation of
sle-orntn. he appealed to the House, whether the lion.
Baronet had not himself, by his ol,serra'ion violated
all the decorum of dehate.—(Lottil cries of hear,
bear.)—The Hon. Baronet had most irregularly gone
en: of the question ; First by adverting to a speech of
Isis (the .I.tterney-(general) and next to an argument
which passed two or three days aeo in the Court of
King's Bench—an argument which his own Counsel
nazi reierteti , and the Honnnrahle Baronet now came
down as if dissatisfied with his (Canneel for not usieo
that argueient —:Hear, hear !)-1 le felt It necessary
to notit e this attack made upon hitn. clod what was
the case et* the Ilonouralde Baronet in the Court of
King's Ilene!) ? lie fact was, that lie brought for-
ward several uffilavits containing charges againt per-
sons which ought not to be stated, and that they were
wholly irrelevant to the question at issue. Th.. Hon.
hart. had plthlished a paper which a jury declared to
be a libel; when be came into Cie Court, he produced
affidavits to spew that hit statements, taken as they

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