The Statesman.
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could he more unjust. The question was, not what
should be done in case of a separate contest between
Friieee and Spain, but, if, at the Congress at Verona,
there was addressed to the Sovereigns a proposition to
interfere collectively in the affairs of Spain, and the con-
sent of England asked, the answer *as, that his
Britannic Majesty would not be a party, come then
what may. After all that hail been levelled at the
proceedings of the British Cabinet the end of this
brief, but plain declaration of their's, sum the diaso-
lution of Cingress—(Hear.)—l f the Hononrable Baronet
applied !hat document to the proper period, he must see
that it was no unimportant declaration ; sad if he follows
its streets to the end, he would see that no joint declara-
tion from the Sovereign was issued. It was true, in poli-
tics as well as in mechanics, that if you execute a great
object with the least power, an important point was et-
timed. It was by that short note that the combination
was prevented. and the result was a proof that, though
brief, the measure was adequate to its object. 'l'o have
-laboured the same point with a great display of language
—to have flourished in tine terms, would have been an
idle display of words, and have risked the final object
by passages of intemperance. Who were the witnesses to
the fact of the result attained by that brief paper The
first was Viscount Nlontmorency, the alhaister of France
',lumen, who declared that, if England would have con-
sented to he a party, the iuterference with Spain was
decided. The next witness was the declaration among
tie papers conveyed by Sir William A'Cot rt from Snit
Miguel. The Minister of Spain admitted, that the Con-
g-ess was broken ntr by the decision—the bruesinfalmen of
Great Britain. The next testimony he had to produce,
was that of the Hun. Member for Westminster, a quarter
from whence neich assistance could not have been enact-
psted.—(A laugh.) That Gentleman stated on tho autho-
rity of private couintunications—certainly more true
films elite-chamber reports generally were—that the
'Pint declarations of the Sovereigns was prevented by
the note of the radical English filiuiater.—(ilear, and a
laugh.) Here then, if he was accused of any thing, it
was not of failure, hut success. He did not hesitate to
sae, that the great ohject which be hail in view, was to
p:event a joint declaration against Spain. No matter
what private quarrel might remain between France and
Spain, it was a great matter to attain,tbat the Sovereigns
should divide without issuing any combined declaration
—to divide the disputes fioni a joint to a separate con-
test, and to reduce it from a general to a asthma( ques-
tion—to bring it within the range of orihnary events,
acrd within the scope of the usual arraageinents. The
charge sow made against his Majesty's dlinisters was
treat of not having negotiated in al different tone from
that which they bad used. Nom, lie would implore the
House if it 'came to a vote on the Address that
hen moved, to make such an alteration in it, es to ex-
cept from it altogether the transactions which had
taken place at Verona; for in these transaotions a
high ton. on the part of our Minister could not baie
been justified: It was 'tat only uncalled fur by dr-
cumettoces, but would have failed of effecting any
object. With rem:eft to the objections that had been
made by an Honourahle Friend of Ms (Mr. Wil-
lisrforee) on a former night, to the coarse of proceeding
on the part of our Aili.ister at Verona, they should be
considered rather in the light of a moral animadversion
on a matter of public profligacy, that that species of rea-
wining which ought to be foiinJed on a political princi-
ple. 'f hose proceedings must nut he judged of by any
moral standard, nor could any moral principle have been
applied in the course of the negociations. Ills Hon.
Friend hail, in the course of his valnahle life, enlighten-
ed the public by his wisdom, and rendered many 'impor-
tant services to his country, but be must be aware whet
hide effect the topics which he urged would have had in
producing any result, so far as the object of a politicol
negociation was concerned. Those moral topics were
of a higher cast, not at all seised to the business which
had been discussed at Verona, arid to have employed
them on such an occasion would not only have at-
forded an instance of bad taste, but would out have an-
swered the wished-for purpose. It would be like attempt-
ing to tear a leaf out of the book of the Holy Alliance
to cover deeds that ought not to see the light. The gees-
Con hail long ago been settled, that the parties on each
side were to maintain their own opinions, without at-
tempts on the part of any of them to shake the opinions
of another. Therefore our business merely was, allow-
ing others to maintain their opinions merely to put in
our disclaimer; and to do so with as little blame as pos-
sible to the parties whose conduct we disclaimed. What
would any Gentleman say—what would that House think
if our negociator had addressed the Allied Sovereigns as
a set of tyrants and despots. What a singular proposi-
tion it would be to make a demand in language
of that sort—to say,—like Shylock in the play—

" Fair Sir, you spit on me on Wednesday last ;
You spursed me on such a day ; anothertime
You called me—dog; and for these courtesies

I yield you what you ask."
Hs would put it then to his lion. Friend and to the House,
whether it was consistent with human nature that any bene-
ficial or practical effect could have resulted if we had mixed
up 01,11" remonstrances with the flowers of. Billiugsgate? By
doing so we should only have sown the seeds of long and
deadly hatred. That, however, was not the case, and we
took another course, more consistent with those principles
of policy on which nations were bound to act towards each
other. Here then ended the Congress of Verona; end it had
been asked why our Plenipotentiary had gone to Verona at
all? It had been remarked, that on the first day when these
papers were laid Oil the table, he had stated to the House,
that it was not understood that the affairs of Spain should
occupy a prominent part of the discussion of Congress ; why,
therefore, send a plenipotentiary I Let the House recollect,
that the Congress of Verona had assembled to consider the
affairs of Maly, with which England had declared two years
ago that she should have no participation; but he had nu
hesitation to say, that when lie had accepted the seals of
office, the great question to which the eyes of the Govern-
meat were directed, was the differences between Russia and
the Porte; and so lutiwately concerned was the English
Government in that important qeestion, that the British
Ambassador at Constantinople was summoned to Verona,
to state how he had left the negociatlons. It was undoubt-
edly supposed that some notice might be taken of the
affairs of Spain ; but the chief business related to the differ-
owes between Russia and the Porte. A Batish plenipotentia-
ry. therefore, was sent to Verona, on account of the Turkish
nagociation ; and into whose hands could such an affair be so
well entrusted, es far at least as we could judge of future
emits by pest success, as the illustrious individual who repre-
sented the British nation upon that occasion ! Another ques-
on bad been asked, namely, n by, when we saw that the
Wairs of Spain mould undergo a discussion, was not a
Npanish Ambassador sent to Verona? One sun ient
answer could be given, as far as England was concerned,
wbich was, that we had nut the power to prescribe such
a measure; and besides it was morally certain, that if
Spain bail urged such a step, it would have led to no
lienelicial result ; for the King of Spain was then at
variance with the Cortes, and would probably send a
Minister, who would not speak tl:e sentiments of the na-
tien. Tbe Tuiltish nego. iation terminated by placing
the sfraira of Russia in the bands of the British Atei4ter,
with 4114tionalpowers, from the two prettiest nations in
the world. This was no small degree of confidence; ibis
furnished no proof that there was any thing iu the go-
vernment of England to Inner its character in the eyes
of Hestia or the Sublime Porte (bear, hear). he British
ambissadot cease to Verona avid retailed from it with as
bleb authority as any man in a similar station ever poi
served. Was this an evidence of the decayed itlfillebee,
the prostut character, and helpless station of England ?
(cheers.) 'I bus ended the Congress of Verona wan re-
pert to Turkey ; how thee was it with regard to Italy
Itsliassffairs we had nothing to do ; the British Mi.
Mater., although not instructed, but almost forbidden to in-
termer, could not forbear from protesting against the eve-
euatiois of l'aples. Therefore, in this respect, all had bees
deuelhit Was neccissafy to Our eliarec:er. lie pow came to

the treaties widch were entered into at Paris : they merely,
provided for certain hypothetical cases which had not oc-
curred, and which have not—of which it was enough to say
that France was not at variance with her Allies. The whole
mfference, then, was between France and Spain. The con-
ditions were, •• that io case of any violation offered to the
King of Spain or his family, or any forcible change of the
reigning dynasty," then only should they interfere. These
cases, howeter, have not occurred—but he would ask
whether, if they had occurred, would-they not justify en in-
terference/ However, to this conclusion they mast come
—that France was nut at war on a Verona case (hear, bear).
The question then became a matter of difference between
France and Spain, and not as when we had first dealt with
it between France and the Allies. It was now a quarrel be-
tween kingdom and kingdom (hear). Ile was not now arguing
whether the injustice was more or less flagrant, or against
the policy of the war; the question was, whether the Go-
vernment had pursued a proper course in their mediation
with Spain. Ile should not trouble the House by reading
over the documents; but the House would find that when
the Duke of Wellineton had applied for instructions, in case
the question of mediation should be proposed, he received a
discouraging answer, and was instructed on no account to
undertake a mediation, if the Aides should move, by any
corporate act, towards Spain. At Paris the negociation was
first andertaken; and it was not necessary for nim to point
oat the difference of negociating between a State end its Al
Ilea, and between kingdom sad kingdom, who had to settle
their differeazes accordidg to the old rule of European di-
plomacy. It has been asserted by suine gentlemen, in cola-
mentine apon these negotiations, that the conduct of the
English Government amounted to humiliation, because they
did not resent the blow received from Franca in refusing
our mediation ; but he begged to state, that according to the
law of nations—and he was sorry not to see the learned Ci-
vilian (Dr. Lashington) In his place—the refusal of media-
tion was no affront, and the proposal of good offices, after a
mediation- had been refused, was no humiliation.—(Haar,
Tne Right HO6. Gentleuan tiieu quoted a passage is
support of this position from NOM, wniclt stated, that
•• Mediation differed from good offices in this ; that tee latter
might be applied after the failure of the first." The obser-
vations that some lion. Members had wade upon that pert
of the question induced him to refer the 'louse to so unques-
tionable an authority—(fear, hear); and the reason why Ilia
Majesty's 'Ministers had acted in that manner was this—that
there existed between France and Spain (if he might use the
ezpressiou), no corporeal difference which could be made a
distinct subject for mediation. The dkaareement was ra-
ther to be removed by an appeal to the good sense of both,
as these could be no arrangerneut about objects which were
not tangible. If there had been a substantial cause of quar-
rel, then the case would have been different. If. for in-
stance, in the time of peace France had, by a coup de main,
seized Minorca, then there would have been some corporeal
/ cause; but the matter was of a different construction, arising
out of beg and reciprocal irritation, each feeling that the
I best course would be to direct the attention of the mediator
to promote woderationlo the other (lieac,twar.)Soutoobeerva-
Itionshedbeen made by a gentleman opposite, tem Vie English
government had remonstrated withSpaimbut not with France.
Now west was the ease ? Our mediation was refased, hut
our good offices were acoepted by France, whilst at the same
time they were received by Spain ; and whitst he was on
this part of the subject, he begged to call the attention of
the House to a paper, which had been a good deal ornament-
ed on ; he meant the letter of the Spanish Mioister San Mi-
guel. In all that had been said on the eloquence. sincerity,
shaplicity, and manliness of that document, he fully concur-
rod ; but its purtrort, he believed, had been a great deal mis-
understood. The Spanish Minister had complained that he
had not been made acquainted with the progress of the tie-
relations, but the reason he was not informed of them was
this—we were then negoeiatlae with other Powers, in the
hope of arriving at a result favourable to Spain. He appeal-
ed to any honourable man who heard him, whether, as long
as there was a hope of an issue unanimous and favourable,
would it not have been mash, blth to Spain and her Allies,
to make known the eisputes which were then going forward,
and which might never be brought to issue t Would it here
, been right to tell France that we were fighting her battles,
' as long as there was a hope of a favourable termination ;
which wean: have pretewfed her from feeling that these bat-
tles bid ever been fought• and it was not until he found that
he had been cLaappoluted, that he communicated the sub-
ject? Ile thought he had taow put the house lu posses-
sion of facts which would explain the following passage of
San Miguel's speech, and he wished that the conduct or the
EnglisliGovernment might be tried bythis and no other stand-
ard- The Minister San Miguel writes thus:—•• The acts to
which I allude would in powise compromise the most
strictly conceived system of neutrality. Good offices,
counsels, the reflections of one friend in favour of another
do not place a nation in concert of attack or defence
with another—do not expose it to the enmity of the oppo-
site party, even though they do not deserve its gratitude.
England aright act in this manner; being able, ought
she so to act? and if she ought, has she acted so? In
the wise, the just, and the generous views of the Govern-
ment of St. James, no other answer can exist in the
affirmative. Why, then, does she not notify to Spain
what she has done?" It is tree, and no less lamentable
than true, that the representations of this country to
France did not prove streressful. The Honourable Mem-
ber fur Westminster (Mr. Hobhonse) haul attributed the
failure to the intrigues of the liussiae Minister, who had
gone so far as to state that that distinguished individual
had made a bet in a French coffee-house, that lie would
engage the French nation in a war (a laugh). [Mr.
Hobliouse (across the house) —I only said it was so sup-
posed.] Indeed the whole erguinent of the Honourable
Gentleman and those about him seemed to proceed upon
the same system of supposition, and it might
perhaps be as well to amend their address to
the Crown by adding, that his Majesty's moat faith-
ful Commons most humbly pray that his Majesty
will be graciously pleased to take measures to avert the
dreadful calamity of a war, supposed to have originated
in a French coffee-house.--(.k laugh.) The Hon. Mem-
ber for Bridgenorth hid stated that France could not
avoid the war. If that assertion was correct, it removed
much odium from the French Government. His Ma-
jesty's Ministers had been described as dupes; because
the French Government, from the beginning, had one se:-
tied determined object in view. The English Ministers,
at least, were not the only dupes. M. Montmorency was
aria to Verbna ; lie negotiated with the Allies, and on
his return was made a Duke. Three days he was turned
out of office, and his despatches assigned toothier
;Minis-
ters. So far lie (Mr. Canning) believed that lie had been
duped. Ile really believed the change of the Ministers
in France was a chauge from war to peace. It was not,
however, so. It was changing the question respecting
Europe to the French question. M. Montinoreucy rame
from Verona with the case of the Allies. The Ministers
who succeeded bad a case to meet the French view. The
question was no longer whether peace or war hest applied
to the interests of France. M. Montmorency must ho-
nourable resigned on the ground thyt he could not carry
into (diet the principles agreed upon at Verona. On
the change of the French Ministers some disnppointment en-
sued; but surely that change was ITJ groond for calling the
British Ministers dupes. In such a variation of purpose, it
was no longer a question relating to a corporate quarrel,
but an individuat question. Time Duke de Montmoren,
cy, •t i his note to the Duke of Wellington, changed his
tone, and M. de Chateauhriand at once sand, the q tiestiou
was tout Francais el Francais. Ile believed 31. de Ulm-
teatibriand to he a man of honour, and capable of dis-
charging the duties of his high situation. Whatever he
might say of France, he owed it to the character of that
Minister to say, there was nothing to I itl to !relieve he
was any other than au npright honourable man. He
owed him that statement, hemline he had enintentionally
done hires some wrong. A letter from M. do a:bateau-
' brand to M. Lagarde, had been translated as stating
that Lord Fitzroy Somerset's negotiation had not
reached Paris. Ile had since received another text,
' in which it appeared M. de Chateaubriaed had not spoken
in the present, hitt in the future tense. Haring corrected
I the inaccuracy, he should not do co.npleic Javier to that
rtipentleman if lie omitted to state another fact: he nod
just received t !e•tu.r on a serrject some time since brogglit

under the obse►vation of tee House. They had beard
an aecount of the capture of a Spanish corvette by s,
French ship of war, which if she acted under orders,
must have received these orders at the very time 11,1 e
I French Government were most warm in their professions
'of peace. If that had been the fact, he il:d not feet that
this country was entitled to throw the first stone to pu-
nish sneh an offence. By reference to the wars of 1796
and 1806, it would he found this country had not been
the most regular in making captures, but it was satisfac-
tory to know it was not so. The moment lie heard of
the transaction he sent a messawe to Sir C. Stuart, our
Ambassador at Paris, to make inquiry into the matter,
and ask the French Government fir explanat'on. It
wa4 stated f .etto with, and a telegraphic communication
hail been received. The letter was front M. de Chateau-
briond, dated Paris. April 28, I‘23:—tire have not rc-
cei►ed any thing official with regard to the capture by
the Jean Barr. That vessel had no instruction to snake
an attack. If wrong has been done, there must have
been POlllO peculiar circumstances in the affair. In any
case the Government will see justice done." The Right
lion. Secretary thought it right to mike the above
known, because it sbeived a readiness to give explanation
when it was reit'sired. Among other topics in the debate
of last hifilt, it bid been stated by an lion. Baronet,
that the Spaniards had showed a solicitude to provide
for the sa'ety of the Royal Fondly. lie could not ad-
mire the introduction of that topic aa connected with the
conduct of Arguelles.

Sir J. MACKINTOSH—The words I used were "for
sparing the delicacy of Ferdinand."
Mr. Secretary CANNING nme sure his Hon. Fsiend
would agree with him, there could lo nothing more
fa-
tal than to familiarize the mind of England or Spain to
• disaster which the Hon. Baronet must naturally de-
precate. With reepect to the Memorandum of the Noble
Duke which had been the subject of so molt criticism,
it was dia hearing of this manly wind, nut intended to
meet the eye as the subjr.ct of debate in that House. It
was the Noble Duke's own thoughts, and he was assured
what the Noble Duke said about Spain might be believ-
ed. in such a ease a person must have great hardihood
to accuse the Noble Duke of incapacity. Ile trusted him-
self in the Noble Duke's hands, and whatever might be
the view taken of the Memorandum in that House there
was not an individual iu Spain who considered it as an
offence. I wish to Goo, said Mr. Canning., part of the
advice bad been taken. Ile admitted the point of honour.
He did not fed that Spain was boaud to make any sa-
crifice, yet he was sure, if they were justified in euint of
honour in wit consenting to modify their Constitution,
.vt would have been romantic honour in England te ab-
stain from making the offer to Spain which she
thought might lead to conciliation. There were but
two questlians to consider ; one was whether the country
ought to have gone to war, or whether it was not right to
maintaio peace. ife should not say fastidiously to the Spa-
niards. wnilst you have ideas of honour, we cannot advise
you for yonr good." They took a wiser course, they said ;
a reconcilietion may take place by some cuneession to
France. It was obvious that France had as mach tight
to say we will have our troops on the Frontier, as Spain
had to sly, we will have our Constitution.—(hear) It
was distinctly stated to Spain, that if they would modify
their Constitution, France would remove her troops. ft
was usenlionel in Lord Wellington's Despatch, page 33,
in a note to M. Sall Miguel, page 3S, and in a note from
himself, in page 42. Ho had no wish to distort the VA!,
'hut to state facts as they really were. They knew they
retold net go beyond the law of nations in their itegoci-
ations, and it would appear that they haul not exceeded
the bounds described by the great writers on that subject.
Vete!. describing what the duties of a mediator were, said
His duty is to bear well and second the claim
to restitution made by the party injured, but he ought not
strictly to insist en rizitl terms. He, conciliator not judge,
ought to induce the injured party to relax something for
the preservation of peace." Such were the duties of n me-
diator, and he might ask whether the British Government
had been unjust in recommending the weaker party to de-
part from something. of their rights for the end and pur-
pose of conciliation ? They bad discharged their duty
fairly. Was it possible to look at Spain in its present'
state, and say England was wrong in it:commending con-
cession ? They could not forget the power and com-
manding figure of France; a war in the heart of Europe
produced a convulsion which all Europe must feel. He
was sure the House would give him credit for saying it
was with great reluctance to proceed out of what he consi-
dered his true course. He was anxious that the policy of his
Majesty's Government should not be misunderstood, and
therefore it was material no misrepresentation should go
unnoticed. It was said there had been au endeavour to
make the Spaniards violate their oaths. It was the opi-
nion of a Noble Spaniard who took part in the Revolu-
tion, that a modification might take place without a vio-
lation of the oaths of the parties. Upon a persuasion
that the change would he advantageous to Spain, his Ma-
jesty's Ministers made the proposal to modify the Spanish
, Constitution. That proposition did not succeed. They
I had, however, one consolation—recent accounts from
I Spain, stated some surprise that those to whom the
proposal had been made had been so tenacious. He be-
lieved he might go further, and say, he had reason to be-
lieve Spain might yet be saved by reconsidering the pro-
position which in the fervour of national independence
she had rejected. The first communication we made to
Spain was, that she was not to rely upon any armed as-
sistance from this country. From first to last there had
never been even a momentary variation in our language,
never a single pause during which Spain might suppose
that we had any doubt. Some lion. Gentlemen had
complained that they had done wrong, and only set
France at her ease by our declaration of neutrality.
Bat se far from that being the case in reality, France
had from the publication of the King's Speech been
kept in doubt es to that determination, while Spain
had been constantly assured that it was still man-
Weed. Was that truckling to France.—(Cheers.)—
He had now, be thought, established beyond question
that the course they pursued was the best calculated to
preserve peace. He was aware that the greater position
still remained to be established, that peace was the pro-
per policy. He had said before, that true duty of Govern-
ment was to weigh the question well. Thy did weigh
the question well, ani they decided upon that policy in
reference to these five considerations : In reference to
the state of Spain ; in reference to the sti:te of Portugal ;
in reference to the state of the Alliance ; and in reference
to the general state of the world. With reference to
Spain, there was one contingency which had since arisen,
and ivitich they could not possibly foresee. This was to
be found In the speech of the Hon. Member for West-
minster, who promised a subsidy to assist Spain in the
war.—(A laugh). He represented his constituents as
willing to subscribe to a mall, and to court every sacri-
tier, if the Government would engage to make it a war of
people against iiings.—(A laugh.) But perhaps the
Lion. illen.het would not find merry to join him in his
chivalrons desire of making such saminces. Then the
Honourable Member might lie sitmitad like King,
Janos. between his two Bishops. The King asked
one of them whether he might not take the motley
out of the people's pockets without their consent :
" Goo forbid that your Majesty should not," said Bishop
Williams. His Majesty repeated the question to the other
Bishop, and the answer was, "Goo forbid ilia your Ma-
jesty should not take brother Williams's utou-y."—(A
feu: Is ) He confessed that it did surprise him, and tie
was sure it would gratify.the spirit of a great man rime no
mere, to see his prophecy reversed, in which he said
Ilse spirit of chivalry was no more, and the reign
of eCOl4OllliO4l and speculators had
In,refereuee te Splits the ?resat:Woe of pease would be a

blessing. And in reference to France, be could not be an
d-blooded as to look with iudiaerenee at what might be
the fearful consequence of a retaliation on the pert of Spain
by invading her territories. Ira war should be carried on
between them, in which the one party attempted to poison
t a well-springs of liberty, and the other aimed the poisoned
darts of revolution, the true policy was to steer a middle
course, and if he could not, as he had somewhere heard the
idea started, join in warfare against them—(hear, hear.
hear.)—he could not, on the ”:her hand, engage with her
under such circumstances. The Right Hon. Gentleman
then proceeded to skew that all the other interests, those of
Portugal, of the Alliance, of this country, and the general
interests of the world, demanded peace. With regard to
Portugal, he statcd that all had been done which tt'e
treaties required, In obtaking the assurance from France
that no attack upon her was meditated. If she were attach-
ed, this country would be, as it always had been, ready to
support her. Bet it was a misconception of the ties between
the two countries, to suppose that we must be drawn
into the war because Portugal chose to assist Spain. Aft. e
a most eloquent description of the stateof parties in Europe.
the Hight Hon. Gentleman said that this eountry ought to.
regard the struggle from its own suited station; not step-
ping into the field a.s partisans, but holding high the balance
of juoire to all ; grasping, bet not drawing the sword. By
maintaining such a position, they might still hope to be use-
ful In restoring that prat, which tnry could not preserve.—
lie then proc,e•ed to cell the attention of the House to the
motion before them ; on which having aniusadver.ed at a
lengtn which our limits forbid us to lonise, he concluded by
declaring that he rested with perfect security upon Vie jus-
tice of the country, and he was sure that trek conduct, di-
rected as it bad been with a view to the interests not only
of this country but of the world, would he stamped
with the approbation of the House.—(Loud and continued
cheers.)

Mr. BROUGHAM said he hoped the House would
not forget the real merits of the qnestion, in the brilliance
and eloquence of the defence. He denied the truth of the
charge of the Right Hon. Secretary (Mr. Canning)
against him, that it uas noise, and noise only that he
wanted. That was an error that imbued every sentence
of his harangue, and every speerh from his side of the
Howe upon this subject. As though words were no:
things, and solemn vigorous remonstrance, contained in
plain and undisguised languaige, did not sienify soma
thing more than the noise of utterance. It was a re-
monstrance of this nature that ought to hare teen made—
a remonstrance that was due to Spain, to the Mlle', to
Europe, and above all, to England. The Right Hoe.
Gentleman insetted, howeVer, that his engine worked
well at Verona. But teas thia the case? did the threat
that, come whet might, we would not IN a party to the
aggressius on Spoas succeed 2es.(Hea-, bear.)—lt slit
not ! The great otlject of the operations of this noise.
less engine, as stated by the owner and contriver of is,
was to prevent the Allies front acting in concert. Now
the Right Hououreble Gentleman asserted that it had
succeeded, because the Allies did nothing. Without
meaning to refer as largely as the Right lionoureb:e
Gentleman on the papers, Le could not help doing en,
for an elucidation of this point of the Right lion. Gent
By the answer of the Allied Moran:hrs, it appeared that
" they said they would act as France did with regard to
their Minister at the Court of Spain, and that they would
give France any countenance and assistance she should
require—the eau e for such being reserved to he spe-
cified in a treaty." Was this nothing?—(Hear, hear')
—Mast not that be the moat unreasonable man Goo eve •
matie,who was not satisfied with being assured he should
have all lie should ask; or was it possible for a man to
ask, or another to grant more than a sort of eerie bletncAc
for the fulfilment of all the wishes of the other? Did the
Right Hon. Gentleman want facts to bark this ?—he
would point to the Duke Matthew Montmorency, wee,
on his return to France from Veroaa, the theatre of his
exploits, and of the successful, though silent operation:
of the Right Honourable Gentleman's ermine, was created
a Duke, On the specific ground of his haring obtaine t
all that France wished. He was crooned with honour .
distinctions, cad reward., fur achieving our discontfittnie
at that very Verona, where ire were now told by the au-
thor and eulogist of the noiseless instrument, that we•ar-
complished all that we wished with the Allies, as we I
as Doke Matthew Montmorency, whose views and in-
tercets were directly opposed to oars. The troth was,
that the real case at Verona was not the safety of Ferdi-
nand ; but that France, when she wanted it, might have
as many Tartars marched to ber frontiers by Mafia as
might be requisite to put matters straight, should the
French projects in Spain shew symptoms of failure, and
with failure bring on insurrectionary reaction in the
heart of the French territory itself. That was the real
case, and it would be found that the first movement o i.
the scene of the nature to which he had alluded, the
swarms of soldiers already encamped on the Vist alo
woald present a similar agitated appearance, and crossing
that stream would be found on the full march throng's
Germany to the assistance of their defeated brethrea ia
arms, the Bourbons. It remained for that crisis to shew
the world whether France would allow to be drawn
down upon it by the wickedness of its Malays the
greatest of all national calamities—a foreign invasion
by a horde of barbarous slaves, driven forward to the
slaughter by the nod of an imperial Despot !—(Cheers i
The necessity which existed for plain speaking on the
part of the Ministers of this country to Foreign Mini 3-
ters might be elucidated by pointing out the blunder,
sometimes ludicrous, but sometimes lamentable, inks
which foreign nations fell with regard to this coetery.—
This ignorance was particularly heightened by the ps-
licy of the late Lord Castlereagh, whose name, did !Le
not own a higher duty than that of drawing the veil of
oblivion betwixt the liviug and the dead, he should he
most loth to disturb. He stated it on the authority of
facts, within his own cognizance, obtained by cwnterse
with the parties with whom that Noble Lord had bars
in the habits of political business, that foreign Al lids:ere
actually conceived he was one of themselves in every re-
spect, as to feelings and political prejudices—that they
really believed lie h ited, as much as themselves, • the
name of liberty and the appearance of a Constitution.—
The consequence of this fatal delusion, as be before Kari,
was, to require front us language so plain as to admit or.
nu doubt, and so strong as to shake their faith—so plaift,,
that those who ran might read, to convince them Viet
the policy of Lord Castlereagh was not our policy. B:t
the ignorant errors of foreign people would appear more
strongly and more ludicrously, he flattered himself i.t
the words of a foreign writer of great eminence and nate
in his own country and elsewhere, and moreover who pat
forth bit claims to credit and attention for having re-
sided sonic years among the people of this country ii:'
whom he professed to treat, fbis man stated, '• ths: so
fond are these sombre islanders of occasions for indulgiv
' their favorite passion grief, that printed notices mill/
inform the natives that in different p seers of the town fa-
' sterols are performed for their gratification."—(aLeti
laughter.)—He then went on to describe that there
were three parties in the House of Commons—one was
the Ministers, another the Opposition, and the thin,
" Anglicans ;" of this party which he a hid was Wit i 3
number, h-, declared that his flononnilile arid revered
Friend the kiember for Humber (Mr. Wilberforce) was the
head—that they were leen who had strong feelings of:retie
gion, but that they had a religion of their own ; that their
wives dressed Tike Quakers, and that they and their huslititints
gave all their revenues to the poor ; that Mr. Pitt was oaeitel
these Anglicans, with strong feeling of a religion of his oohs.
his Wife deeming like a Quaker.—(Laughter )—The Oppoai-
lion, he said, were a party who had lost ail weight, intiufaue,
,orhsportisnoe lathe State; the chiefof whom, Mr. For., Pri.t
.10$ All his eloquence in his old age.—Nontinued laughter.)
—This %gawks the opinion which was ,entertained by gbs
en fi glitepid And , enligh teeing nations of fereisnc9initelfs ;
M cageand i t cage front a sourewof no,little coneadetatien
Would psimitied. wlaep It wee haaostrwthOt It stilki front the
pea Of' a fiery lriclialrhaidodp,lifid rceeiv.d so WA tkhisie-
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