The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-03-08 00:00:00

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21.1tiee the averages of upt and 1619. In the year
1791-the average pro:reds of his crop of wheat and
barley not to sterially differ from the average pro-
ceeds in the year let 9. In the former yant, his rent.
Slates, poor rates, fliteseed taxes, labodr, smiths'
and wheelwright" work atoonoted to 2391. 6s. 10ed.
whereas iit the year 1`419 thev amounted id 45;.!. 7s. Id.
From tbat paper it appeared that there w*s very little
(Meteore in the priers of Agricultural productions in
1791 and ISI9, while the total espeuditare Ibl9
was almost doable that of 1791. He mould vote for
the Committee, because he hoped some measure might
be proposed which would afford relief to the Agricul-
turists without injury to any other class of the can-

Inanity.
Mr. O. BE:NNETT began by oheerving, that every
person who spoke on the question admitted the universal
nistress which prevailed, but every otte cautiously avoided
to attention the simmer whence arose that distress. If *a
Committee were appointed, and that Committee did not
go into the whole of the distresses, nut only of the agii-
ctiriste, but of every other class of his Alejesty's sub-
jects—the appointment of a ('us Itee would be a
mere delusion; it eonld give no relief to the people at
'wee; it world only keep up rents, and raise the price
of bread. Ile h:tped the report which would emanate
from that Committee, would not be got np as other re-
ports had been, by the influence of Ministers, end after-
wards thrown in their face as the report of thei House ;
whereas, in fact, t m have been the report of Aliais-
tees themselves. Th whole question of taxetion, gene-
*riltris it bore na I classes, should he diligently in-
vestigated. If augmentation of prices of agricultural
productiuns were the object for the alopoisattnetit of the
Committee, it woad be attended with the greatest in-
'city to the lower classes of the community. He would
ntnil the alarm to the country if such were the object.
lion. Members might despise numbers and public
opinion; the Noble Noble Lord (Castlereagh) might
talk insultingly of the people's right to petition that
Haase; but lie would tell the Noble Lord and the lion.
Members, that if the country were to be told that a
Committee were appointed {ay that House to raise
t'ie price of breath,—(i. sod cries of hear, hear.)—
Cie Noble Lord, with the whole of his blantlishinesac,
:mild not allay the ferment such information would
necessarily produce. He should take care, tztad all his
friends should take care, that no motion fur a *it, ply
should be carried in that Howie without the strictest
inquiry and examination.—(ilear, hear.)—They
would take their stand cc) the establishment of 1792. ;
and to that they would{ endeavour to reduce the pre-
sent. When Hon. Members confess that Agrienlture
is ruined, that wattle is destroyed ; when rv, ry one is
endeavouring to shift for himself, it because the duty
of some one to stand up for the community at large.
There was but one line of conduct to pistil.. The
country was not able to support the present establish-
ments. When, therefore it should be told them that
the Colonies should be maintained, that armies should
be kept up to suppert peace and tranquillity, that all
the other establishments were to be kept up—it then
became the duty of the House to reply, that the cons,-
try neared theta not, and could not stapictrt them
That was the line of s unhurt fur them to punts».
When on that night the blessings of plenty and
abundance had been• represented as a curse, when
Hun. Gentlemen stand ni) and lament the ruined stair•
of agriculture, on those lion. Gentlemen lie welsh'
call to come down to that Ilouse and watch the time
when next a grant waft to be voted for the keeping we
of as, enornices army establiehmetit. It aren't' I e theft
the people flair itHige of the sincerity of their mo-
tires.—(llear, hear ')—lf they did net come flown
and oppose cueli enermous expenditure. lie sliculd roe-
chide from that conduct, Clint it was the payment of
their rents they wanted ;—(Hear, Item \--and that if
those load Leen paid, the limusr should not hear of
v. Committee of Inquiry Iwo clit:rictiltural Distresses.
—(hear, hear.)
Mr.tioOCH rose to Order, and said the Hon. Aleut-
ter had no right to ingrate 'nth motives.
Lord NiGENT said his Voinotrable relent'
ant mean to iinpnte any personal motives to the (list..
ilembris, but was content 'in:, that the object 41t. the
moth'', was to supqport the lantl..olders.---(Cries ut
alit% chair.)
Th' SlE:lif ER said he slit not conceive the Ito-
rt., r title :Member to impute metiers when be said it
certain results followed, bet if he tinder:4,oA him to
s-tf in ease rents were paid there should nor Com-
mittee, that certainly hi' would eforsitler disorderly.
Air. PENN E said, he snhmitted to the correction I
of the (.hair. The liononrabie Alendwr continued his I
observations. The only finestion for their consitlera- I
time was, the reduction of the expenditure, and emote-
Onent aninution of the taxes. Nothine• bet that
could save the country. lie should be the I ist man in
the. catittry who wraith" recomenesil any attack PH the
rreditor. Put he won't{ tell the lt:ght thou.
tut Chancel:, r of the Exchefiner that lie won's' he
lifiltcH tunt co* his Tricker.., step by step..---(tirtir.)----
and should at lenetl; come flown to that !louse to
tusks such a Proposition ns t ;twitter time he w
at. Ile would he (Misted to come thorn and
propose to invade the public creditor. lie (Mr. II.)
would wish to avoid so i.rnmoinions a condition, awl
trould first reduce their r,:penoliture. Ife he-gral
P3t'l"n of the lionse for having trespassed so lent' 05
their indulgence; bat lie multi not hear of a Coe
mit-
ire'.ein.; appoitued to raise, unnaturally awl forriblY)
t prices of the becessa ries of life without eittering-iis
protest against it.
Mr' W RSTEIf N supported rise motion for the Com-
mittee, and said that smite protertion was necessity tw
the agricultural elastics. 1101;id not think it :.rtstilialtie
to raise the price of bread on the troannEretnrine. p ri-r.
• but he did not conceive that effect atilt' foilow from
n.,.orditig to the agriculturists each protection from
the importation of foreign curls as wouldprevent the
fertile and productive soil of the country front being
thrown cut of cultivation. The Hon. Member (Ili-.
Henault) said, that lien Gentlemen wished to raise the
price of bread ; and to consider their own ititerests se-
rarate from •:-a hole: c:asses. If Le were to snbnsit
.
question for consideration to the lower elms.
act! ask their oi inion, they woitil answer, that it was
not the money !.rice of bread, but the- quantity of the
.n.cess4ries of life which they could purchase for their
labour, that constituted their prosperity. Tiny r ere
It it now so able to procure the nrceseaties of life
as when bread was at a higher price. lie would main-
tain that iu any country where the price of bread was
low; the peasantry could not command so touch of the
&tectonics of life as they could in that country where.
triad was high. Their daily labour could command
stereo( those articles necessary to their comforts when
isseall was at a high price, because high wages and
high prices fur cora accoutres:id each other, and well'

inseparable. Suppose trausy depreciates, awl the

price of bread dee, i■ the seine proportion

would wages of labour be (mind to rise.
He confessed he did not anticipate asse veil. great bene-
fit frosts the Cummins"' which uas proposed to he ap-
pointed, but it was the slnty of Ilse House, its further-
afire of the prayers contained in the petitions, to en-
vire into the allegations contained in them : duel then
the petitioners might make out a case in such a way as
should enable the Noe-e to adopt some measure fur
their relief is a manticr that wss nut now thought

of. His opinion was, that half our present grievances
had arisen from the state of the eurrettev—(heir, Itrar,)—
and without some restriction on the fans respectiog it,
there could hr no relief. lie would never shrink from
avowing his opinion, that the Agriculture of this
country needled protection against foteign compe-
tition. When that was afforded, 'lie n hole energies 0.
this countr♦ and of Ireland would he called lam action

This WA* Wu new polier iu Kutch n.l, to force stp prices
as it wag called. It hall alwa% • been acted upon, and
with great benefit to the labourin.• tiohtiolr
could he Inure miserable than to *re lAbwirerg
front door to door in the rain ge.trch of employweitt ; to
see then. reduced to curb condition wag touch worse than
to see them par an increased prier for hrea
llr. DENNISBROWNE said, the honourable
Slembers who had spoken, seemed detertuitted

to turn the (*mainline.. into a ti.eatre for f.u•-

lion—(Hear, hear), by urging, instead of any relict*
to agriculture. those reductions which cued not he
made consistently with the honour of the country. A
great portion of the difficulties limier whirls we lab ur-

a4l, was occasioned by tint vsertioe% Dere !oar,- to cnr

own security, to the proterti.ot of the liherties of
Europe, and of the glorious state in which we now
were.—(A laugh.) A great part of tilos. tiiffiettlties,
however, were owing to the want ut• sofficient lorott C-
(1011. Ihe tlysterti of ar-ritges, as already es:al:robed,
had greatly failed, and he feared that am new system
founded upon the Mine principle, real.' not be pee-
-1 wanenth• Iwnelicial. Ile would a:low that this Cllllll-

try iittdit to crow littleient for its own support, hat
hr thought that the ionlv.ysteui liy whiell taut rouhl
be secured, was to prohibit allsolittey, antl at ail
vo
times, the iiiirtation of foreitt I..avitig• it to
the Privy Council to interpose in ea:•es of t•a re.tic
necessity, an I remove tholtr.illibition.
.Ir.'ll[ V N I: sled.
expres.eil it as his tvi,ll Gat bread
should alw.tys be kept as low as po,sib.t., bit: that the
count!y shoclii nut be left dependant un sup;:li:.. trion
,
[ aoroail. It was well known that forei.J.!! cowitries

applied themselves principally now to the improve-
ment of inatint'artitrt•s; an:l if thry did not slant our
manufactures, how were we to get their corn ? Some
change of system nas absoborly neeesta4, and if
some Ind not take ,place, the u otzt eons. in..uees nii_ it
be t•xpected to ensil.•,.
Mr. Illf:All111 I never hal any Whar idea than that
the interests of lauillor.:s pl.est..l be Fratecle I al; tours
as those of any other classes of men. An ••rrosteittis
opinion ball gone abroad era ; velinZ itiseseli: it Ira..
that he. as a merchant en tertaiLeti view. 1t0.....,•• t • I'..e
interests of landed proprietors. I!•• w,sl; •; a mer-
e:l4.st, sew was his preparty all ses••••I in t!•.• rim ••• :
for he Ita•I as marls lamb ti as fult‘!••.! peo,.etty: lets l.e
dare these opinions WI :all Snell :•t1:,..1et*:%, %; 111, Is he
thonglit n•ould be most isctu•Scial to the ronntrv. _ Ile
Wei all adyeetete fur a tree trn.!•• in *Nell. a:141 be
1 thonglit that the pri,.s. of (tar rural•.a.:iit to sirlwouclit
to a level with the pr..-es of other ram:flies ;so t:::::
landed ;rent kitten might mete for.....:•,:scrsitt the mar:: t.
If a slyly tv:., to Is: laid on foteig u corn,' at::;it to
he a .l rate one, at:ii Mit J. fottanatiregliluty. Ile
thought if the rm.! %tete epanetl for tha istio.chtit ot
costs. the people of the cot!n:ry womb; he la• • r a'alt• :••
• stisport the burden Of laia dim ; inc if the cjts. -a fail in
prise. if importations iarreasi.,i. ar,l :!:.-t knit tore tro.:••
owl acesid,••l to in Cats I. ttrtry. Caen a •• reit t sili„:.
or slit. capital now et:11,1.-i et( its a: !... t;l:ete-s...utiLi :to.
the ••wti into other s••nree,, witi:•ls t: „., id 'l.4:C.' a 'lv-
grew s:f wealth much g•r:•atcr than • .!, it errsi•l ari-
frosts the saute capital e.oploye.l in • td.iy;.E.:g I 'tilt :
the satuntry te..ulti then be riche:-. .•:••! i ....sr.!. ...,:, 1.,
bear the i.ulll:c burdens. It was '.ry true, tat .• e
voted nest grow earn s., else.t.., as for, 1_:,1 roe an,: ;
sine lio:It 11 .i. the very rc.:-on why It ..t ••ttlil import it.
It intel been asked by his lion. an I 1.-artt...l I.'sien.i
(Mr. Brougher:a) what would Ite.•••.:.e of Cie cap:tat
nor. estsplocil in land, it the cultit•••thsts of fan.! it .t•
ne.4 lected in consequence sit hoopoe:at...it :. Ila wouli:
answer, th it if mica capital ens no: pro;lerti• ~ it
should hr custs:ilt•reti as a nuizance, an•. the r • §:ter
it et as got rid of the betters n !C:ic if as hilt.', c•t- '
pita! as could be taken awar. aml :Ai eqn it t•gi-te
of iroltistry tierr applied to other • 11;t•cts, ar coun-
try would be greatly benclittet!. lir did n.t ta!,:e
those• glstouty views of the reroori•s of the country,
e.illb .tame men ithiulgill ie....A.... !. il bet:er It.•••••,
dr the remote! and really thonght ti ::t all i's di:i.-
rulties terse nearly at an end. 1-1:4. eepre,s-ti state
!of a grivalt tire, of cotnincree and D.:int:lA..l[lre%, was
too unnatural for pernianenre. it re<nitzoi from oar
exertions timing the war, and Irons the pun:liar trial we
hail unilertrotte. ;Nulling, would mere accelettp,l4c re-
vival of the cautery,. than rtictinethe p „plc of their
burdens. Ile entertained fro's of !leis 4. inmuittee; hr
thought that the s:tpporters of it were too •ts thsp4l%4 II
to consider that their only hope of th.ting, their muni-
tion ameliorated lay in the advance of the importation
;wit .• of corn. Ile would reefer a tixe•l umi ',eruct:tent
slate me corn, rather this to hare it stue:wite ileet,r .itig
to the lute:tsar of the market : but he •fost:l I ii tlt it
i price very low in Iced, pt.r owned the; this art angelot•`t,
1 ‘fittlill must eis'ectually protide t..r the protvett:y of all
I clas-rs.
slr. 11'111T. It
Mr. MVP:SPORT suppar:••.l the nation.
11 r. I'.llAli.ll.' r wuttlll assent to the t ..'inn, in rouse; i
Inence of the univer.:A r.'li, seteatiott Of :t.:e.cal;nr..
distress, hot shoild at the same time use a!I mean: Mai,-
posing the advance of she importation (Intr.
general IiASt•ONNE was slesirons of nifor•ling• relief
to the agriculturists; lint when a :notion was hefoe+ the
house, ..tfectitK to lease that rot its view, ami when he
heard ;tetra ed. that the only prarti••al to..as.tre to hr Iffer
1,041•11 Was the raising of the rrutecting sluties,he should
oppose it.
M r.l'. WILSON stipportel the motion on the ground
that enabling the land twettpiers to pay their rents, and
therehr eatat.ling the latatiords to Co011ibll:^ its the re-
renne..he would be best con:tatting the general interests
~f the country.
The I.:oessmitate seas then arree.l to, and the following
were assiong the names of du's. ai.istsiated :
Mr. hooch, Lord l:astleseag•h. Mr. A'. 1140,i:won, Mr.
:litshisson, \lr. Ilroisgham, Sir E. linatchisall, Mr. 11.
Sminit.r, Mr. Wessern, Sir I'. Avkialol, Sir T. Leth-
bridge. Lord .thltorp, Mr. Wsulelsou.r. Mr. Calera,
Mr. Itickia-ant, Sir r. liaeinz, Ms. ;N: l'aleraft.—Mr.
Ricardo. Mi. Carat's., and Mr. It. ilrusenv, were idler-
s-anis as led.