The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-03 00:00:00

as compared to last, of 115,0001. This diminution
was effected in coneequeocat of the redeetioa of 11100
men, which was warranted by the dimiaation of tree
en foreign stations. The Hon. Harwell eoseletied
by moving a Resolution--
'net twenty-two tbousaad seeing simulate kept tilt for
sterns of !Shiner months, from the let of ileasary,
itieliollog eight thoesead royal marines.
Mr. CREKVEY said, that before he *void consent
to vote for one farthing of the public money he Would
move that the House should report progress, in order
that to the mean time duty might have the estimates
laid before them.
Sir OEO. WARRENDER said, that from time im-
memorial such a vote as he proposed was never re-
sisted. The vote he called for was merely for the fleet
on float. If Honourable Members should want infor-
mation edinsates would be printed and put into their
hands.
Mr. CURWEN said, he would not consent to vote
Any money without the proper estimates. The Hoe.
Baronet said, that in vend this kind, it was not un-
tumid to lay estimates before the House t perhaps not,
but the rJuntry was in great distress, and it was time
for the House to mend its manners.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUMS complained of the great redaction
which had been made in the seamen, the great support
of the Navy, whilst the:marines were kept up, and
eren increased. He could not help considering that
a rote for tl,OOO marines was nothing less than an in-
crease of a military establishment.
Sir G. 'WA Rftlitiv-VER replied.
Mr. O. RENNET said, he would not vote a single
wit:.oot an estimate. His side of the House,
during the Session, would not votes single penny with-
not an estimate: they would divide the liouse even with
-10 Members.—(Near, hear.) They. at least, would do
their duty; they would net relax, even though the
Session sowould last till isetober. At a moment of dis-
tress a:: 1 misery, suds as was never witnessed before,
they wo.t::I not consent to the scandalous waste of the
public gooney—they would not endure to see the coun-
ty g pillaged and rot:heti—(C:beers.)
he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that if Co:lode:lien inspected the Journals of the House,
they trollA find the present motion perfectly consistent
with the usage of Parliament. On such a Resolution
eatituases were ever regnireal before.
Mr. MARRYAT supported the Resolution.
Mr. GREY BENNET said* if the lioaourable Baronet
wanted a vote for a th he would consent to grant it,
but he trotahl not consent to grant a vote fur a year
without an estimate.
Sir 11. CLERK said that the opposition of the Hon.
gentleman opposite, was of a conflicting kind. Did
he meats to promote ecoonmay by end:easing the seamen?
Me. HUME, contended tisatle wished fur economy,
hr mho-ties, in the civil department—it was not the
payment of seamed thnt WAS. the great expense. in his
opinion. the greaser the reduction of seamen, the greater
would be the injnry to the navy.
Admiral HARVEY *aid it was always necessary to
hate a proportion of old and well-seasoued marines for
the pivot:se of keeping the new men in a state of dis-
ciplitie:.of the new men, the most valuable were those
who were pressed itool the service by compulsion.—
(Hear, and emotions of snrprise).
tt It • ItNE said, that the thousand
men in qnestion were I.4)issitt rril unnecessary.
Sir M. iIAIMANEV said, that young marines were
quite 'toeless.
Sir ti. IVA KRENDER said, that as soon as tire proper
opportit:s:ty offered, a reduction of the Civil Officers
woulol lots proposed. In the present state of the Navy,
if the exigence of the moment inquired it, as aresameat
of VI slitlifelfti

men, on an eneeegency, might be soon procured, marines
could nuet he cirocoreit at all.
Mr. II I' N 1 I' pronounced a panegyric upon the conduct
and character of the marines; and Sir U. Cockburne fol-
lowed on the same side.
A Memos*, it hose name we could not collect, observed
that for the satisfaction of its constituents, the House c
was al!-A upon to require the information referred to
la the amendment, before the wotious of the lion. Bart.
were agreed to.
Mr. Ft HUMS animadverted upon the neglect which
had been Manifested towards the nary for some years.
It would he much more aguelible to 'leis views of the
public interest, to leave a reduction of 5,000 men in our
military rstahlishinent, than 1,000 in our navy.—(Hear,
hear.)—The difficulty of obtaining seamen, in conse-
quence of such an extraordinary reduction of our naval
force, would, he feared, be very severely felt in the event
of any ni.w war.
Admi: lIAIIVF.Y here made some observations no- I
der the (Witty, which we could not distinctly hear, bell
which appeared contradictory to the statement of the
last speaher as to the neglect of adequate provision for
our seaelen.
Mr. FORBES maintained the accuracy of his state-
ment, fruiting, in proof, the notorious fact that numbers
of our seamen were thrown to starve upon the streets
of Lonolon, after the war terminated. It was notorious
also, that in consequence of their distress, a vast multi:
ludo ut seamen haul gone into the service of America as
well as of other foreign powers. If such einigratio•
indeed were not the case, what, he would ask, hail he- I
come of the immense body of seamen by whom our fleets
were manned during the war? How came it that
enough of men could not now be had to supply our caw
tuercial shipping even in the present reduced state of
commerce?
Sir 11. WARRENDER felt it right not to allow the
assertion of the Hon. (ientleuian, as to the neglect of the
Navy, to go forth without contradiction, especially as
that assertion was so very incorrect; for the fart was,
that 35,000 seamen were granted the out-pension of
Orem ich Hospital upon the termination of the War,
the First Lord of the Admiralty on the same occa-
sion, promoted no less than 1175 Midshipmen without
any recommendation or influence.
Mr. 61.ADSTe1NE stated, that there was no diffi uilty
in finding seamen.
Dr. LUSHINtaTON supported the Amendment, be-
ta.* he thought that the noose should not accede to
the motion without the information to which that amend-
ment referred. But what he rose more particularly to
remark upon, was the allusion made on the other side to
the use of impressment for the occasional supply of our
navy. He lamented that this system should be so light-
ly treated by any person acquainted with the numerous
evils inseparable from it. lie would not detain the Co-
mmittee by entering into a detail of all the evils which
had come to his knowledge ; but he would state a fact,
of seamen, who hail been on a voyage to India, and sh-
ow for two years, having been impressed upon coming
into thz- Chorine', and sent to the West Indies, without
being allowed to communicate with their families. No
consideration of money should weigh with a great awl
generous nation, to induce its acquiescence in such a
horrid system, and he was persuaded that any Lord of
the Admiralty, who should contrive to set aside that
system, or provide some substitute for it, would acquire
immortal WIDOW.
Sir G. COCKBURNIR said, that all were agreed as to
the evils of impressment, and that it should not be re-
torted to but under the pressure of an overruling neces-
sity. To reduce that otteeseity, therefor% the Admiralty
bad done all that wu in its power. With regard to the
allegatioe that man) semen mere eon *early starving
in the units 44 Leedom upon the torsioatioo of the