The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-05-25 00:00:00

Ileum himself, or those in his confidence could ob-
tain. kr all that had been stated in the course Of
discussion on the subject, it was impossible tit to
oonclude that the fond was granted, and applied for
some time to a certain purpose ; but that after that
period it had been grossly misappropriated. There
at:told be no doubt that the Act of 1663 granted the
money foe a certain purpose, and however it might not
Lye been applied to that purpose op to the pre
T hsent
period, should not prejudice the question. e
Crown, unfortunately, bad too much money at its dia-
., continue to exercise a controul over that td
title was doubtful. In that view of the
was borne out by the Report of a Committee
House in 1797. He should therefore vote for
of his Hon. Friend.
~YtI read two extracts from the reports of the
Committee on this subject ; and from these
' that the Committee had recognised the
Crown to the 41 per cent. duties, and that
formed no part of the public revenue. Ile also
xi Mr. Burke's Bill did not at all interfere
Ind in question, though the attention of,
had been particularly called to the subject.
oended that the grant to the Earl of Kinnoul
illegal as any of those subsequently made.
',ion he adverted to the unfounded and ano-
Alden circulated against him (Sir C. Long)
'Meet ; be hoped that if the Hon. Bent. (Mr.
were the author of the pamphlet alluded to,
in future attack him openly and fairly in
where hr should be ready to answer him.
however, he pursued the course he had begun. he
Creevey) would certaiuly ave the advantage, as
hong) woald meet bins with no reply.
e ME explained.
REEVEY replied. The House then divided :
r. Creecey's Motion, 52.—Against it, 76.
04.
.trangers were re-admitted,
REEVEY was on his legs. He moved a re-
stating, that it appeared to the Holm that
four and a half per rent. accrued to the
certain property in the island of .%ntigna,
id other island., the pr..duce of which. though
was expended in pensions granted to ra.
lividttals, while large sums were annually
the &knee and protection of the said islands ;
,are appeared expedient that a Committee
he arminted to inquire into the appropriation
aid (hairs.
-testion was put, and negatived without a di-

RIGHT OF VOTING.
W. %VI LLIA3IS in rising to move for leave to
a Dill to prevent the recurrence of a hand
red in voting at election', did not conceive it
t.a• for him to detain the Moose at any length.
was ewe which prevailed to a considerable
and he was at a loss to conceive on what
the present Rill could be opposed. lie con-
hat he had a claim to the support of those who
ienilly to reform, as well as to that of those who
(verse to it, as wishing to give property its fair
.e (es he must do whenever reform WV at-
i). his present object was hut to do away with
, which every one must admit ought to be re-
lic moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
persons from occasionally voting at eleedons
,holds owlet the annual valise of forty shillings.
rr was given to bring in the Bill.
LUNATIC ASYLUMS.
WODRIIOCSK obtained leave to bring in a
s amend an Act of the dinth of the late King, re-
to Lunatic Asylums.
VAGRANT PAMPA.
. CHRTIVYND took the earliest opportunity of
lying with the reemnmendation of the Report of
onmittee which was read yesterday, by rising to
,r leave to bring in a Rill to amend the law with
:t to the passes of vagrants. He believed ecety
•anit:scted with the «matey knew that enormous
‘'es fell on several parishes for passing vagrants. I,
expen%.: amounted. he understood, in the last I
to 100,00 nil. and for this expense the country ob-
wit no h..netit. It would naturally be asked what re-
-he coals! propose The first that lie would suggest
al he that the present Vagrant Law should he sus.
Jed for a year. At present the filling up of vagrant
tames was considered a mere form. This was seen
a fact which had occurred in the West Riding
'orkshire ; which proved that passes were in some
Aires granted not only for men but fur animals.--
.he West Riding of Yorkshire a pas.. beimu made
f.r a vagrant, who was to be sent oil to Scotland
the usual allowance of eight-pence per day, the
, remarked that the sum to be allowed teas not
o.rient for the subsistence of himself anal Isis coin-
niso:l;ey. The Justice's Clerks were much
wils the grintiees of the monkey. and in
rtsequence a blank pass w is filled up for the monkey
the name of "John String." When the expensli-
re thus oreasiored amounted to 100,11001. he thought
most he felt that it was high time that it slionbt be
topped. The measure that he recommended might
consi.lered a strong measure, but when the evil he-
am- so great. strong nteasitres were necessa
ry. The
seraid remedy that he should propose was. that the
loing away with passes to enable vagrants to travel
should be accompanied with a more extensive period
imprisonment; at present the confinement for an
act of vagrancy was only seven days. this was, in,
velnt of fart. no punishment worth speaking of. The
:aoler thought it useless to employ a vagrant who,
as only to remain in prison a week, and he accord-
-gly came out the beggar he went in. lie should
propose that the shortest period fur which a person'
:timid he committed for an act of Vagrancy should be
one month. he would have care taken that they should
be pot to hard labour, and a part of the money which
they earned while in prison be ireilld give to them on
theirliheration. The third alteration which he would
Ftspose went to do away with the rewards elf Ss. and
les. which were at present paid on the committal d
yap-arts, as these had been meek abased. The fossils
regulation which he wished to see adopted orealdl
qtable Magistrates to bind over individuals to prow
Lute where acts of vagrancy had boa re prated.
Hie
"if& proposition would be that all walking passes*
which in fart were but licenses 'for begging. *Wad
oast. Moping these sagrodoaa would. be
ittiolh abate the es* sow .osocialsefl of. um
,costal at care 180.00 M re aassud. and
eat 4MOr that repair/ mishit it was Omit soledieW
cliwL tie cossladid br wing for lease to heW


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Is a Bill tit amend tie present laws respecting the
sillsrehenehen, punishing, and passing of vagrants.
Mr. SCA IthErr .opported the motion. Ile pointed
out the folly of removing the earrant at a great rit•
pease, that eventually, if thought necessary, he might
be punished as he might hare been at first without in-
curring the espense of his removal. Considering the
measure an beneficial in this view of the subject it bad
his hearty concurrence.
Mr. F. LEWIS considered that in the first instance
something ought to he done to prepare the minds of
those to whom the execution of this law must he left,
for the contemplated change. Unless the executor'
of the laws could be broweht to ft-el like the makers
of them, their I ihour would he in vain. They ougitti
to proceed gradually and with caution: and as it ap-
peared to him this subject was intimately connected with
the poor laws, antl as there might be souse inconveni-
ence and danger in attempting to separate them, he
would have the poor laws constantly before their eyes'
while this measure was under consideration.
Mr. LockliAßT noticed the different classes eft
vagrancy which s.ecorreil, and suggested the expetli
envy of correcting those who went abont the. cannily
exercising some idle trade or calling, by refusing to
I pass them home, leaving them to find their way as they
LI can, without any relief hut roll as they could obtain
from those as chose ta he imposed upon. Ile tlsonglit ,
it necessary that some restrictive system shotild be
adopted to check the propensity that was remarked
among the lower classes to throw themselves on the 1
poor-rates. tic wished the House to go to the root of 1
the evil, and to declare boldly what they were rewires!
II to do, and he thought the intentions of Ministers re-
specting the poor laws ought to be avowed.
Mr. CRIPPS agreed with an Hon. Member who
had spoken in this debate, that the question befsre the
House was intimately connected with the pour laws.
The Committee had considered whether they shoul.l
do any thing till the measure of an lion. and Learned
Gentleman (Mr. Searlett) had been disposed of, hut
they conceived that to be of such magnitude that it
was probable it would ILA get through the House in
the course of the pr: scut Session and this had deter-
mined them to come forward at once with the 11::1
which it was now wished to introduce. It oas thosteltt
the experiment might he male for one year without
risk of any very fatal cunsequen:•es. Ile explained the
policy of the present system, described the sliffieulties
that lay in the way of an alteration, and gave it as his
opinion that the subject was one wl.ieh demanded the
most serious consideration of Parliament.
The Marquess of LOS DONDEIitIY did not rise to
give at this time any general opinion on the merits of
the plan before the House. Contending difficulties
must be expected fa meet them, whatever course they
might urine, and all they had to do was to consider
what line of conduct would expose them to the fewest,
and what would he liable to the smallest objections.
As yet they were hardly in a condition to enter on the
discussioa, having neither the Report of the Commit-
tee, nor the Bill, before thesis. He thought the House
would do well to all,uw the Hill to he brought in. The
Report of the Committee would, he undertow', be
printed in the course of a few slays, and then, on the
second reading of the Bill, they could coine to the dis-
cussion with considerable advantages, which they did
not possess at present.
Mr. 11A1U10111) wished for nn improvement is the
system, and for an alteration of the treatn:mt efperi-
enced by vagrants in Houses of Correction, seas to
ensure their being put to hard labour. The lion.
Member for Oxford seemed to think, with a view to
putting a atop to vagrancy, it was only necessary to
refuse the beggar relief. This plan might answer for
a society in a state of nature, but was in a great mea-
sure inapplicable to one in our present artificial state ;
and he did not see how it could be reconciled with the
principles of our religion. This led him to spealt
(perhaps somewhat is regularly) of the Mendicity So-
ciety. The Mendicity `society enabler persons to re
Here the unfortunate beg g:tr, by giving him a letter
which woald procure hiat a supply of sustenance if he
was really an object of compassion, but which would
expose him to pnnisliment if lie were an impostor.
Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
JUSTICES OF PF.tCF..
Mr. N. CHOLMI.EV 'ivans-4 leave to bring in a
BW to amend an Act of the sStli of tieorge the Third,
to enable Justie...s of the Peace in certain cases to
art out of the limit; of the County iu which they actu-
ally were.
Mr. 111.. ME pl‘t:mnetl his :notion respecting the
lonian Isl.-. till Wednesday.
General lIA It 1. gate notice that on Wednesday he
would move for leave to bring in a Bill relatiire to
the Distilleries at Carrickfergus. -
POOR RF.LIEF Bill.
Mr. SCARLET I', having moved the order of the
day for the second reading of the Poor Relief BilLeone-
tuencesl his speech by observing., that he wished at the
outset to state, that it never was his intention, ree%
when he first propsed the measnee now before them,
to encumber it with many matters of detail. lie wee
desirous rather to point out to the House the prinei--
plea upon which he thought the present system of our
poor laws a vicious one, and one which et-gushed cor-
rection. Ile had been desirous of rutting it in the
most simple form, and of calling the attention of the
House to what he conceived to be the grand soarers
of those evils under whirls we now laboured. He
would shortly recapitulate the three great causes of
all the various mischiefs and inconveniences which 1,
are fount! to result from our present system of poor
laws. They were to be found, first, in a compulsory 1
and unlimited provision for the poor : secondly, in the
administration of that provision, not to support in-
dustry. to encourage good conduct, and to he a relief
for those who might be disabled by infirmities, butt to
cherish the vices and the indolence of that class of the
poor who mere disposed to exist rather on the charity
of others, than to depend for their own bread upon
theirown exertions : thirdly, (which Ina the grand
sad priacipal source of all tholee evils. as compared
with others), in the restraint that now existed apse
do free exercise of labour. It had actually been held
ilis 'weeder of the atagistrates for tits relief a poor
illVill: rot valid,
d. a naket be .
it contained the adjudication
Magistrates,
bslis
Nisei;. The Learned gentleman then adverted to a-
roam which he said hada direct tendency to raise*
As wages otlabour. This was, the eesployasent 14.
ime=(paetlealarly those being married sod haling
who received very slight wages for thole li.
-brows they received them to cestjaaetiou with

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theit parochial allowance. Say that a pauper, to sup-
port himself. his wife and family., u a compensation
for'his labour received 94. a week. 'I he unmarried
labottrer was by this means reduced to the condition
that he who by the proper wages of his own litho&
could support himself was compelled to work in com-
petition with one who was content to take 94. as the
weekly wars of his labour. Let Hon. Bentlemen
look to the condition of the labouring poor of Eng-
land. They won'd find men working almost their
blood out ; and for what prospects ? For the Ittelaus
choly prospect of terminating their existence in the!
poor-house. The labourer at 9s. could have no other.
1
In every point of view, moral, political, anti religions,
the man who bail a direct interest in his own labour,
and could thus discern something likes cheering pros-
pect to encourage him, was more valuable to society anti
to himself, titan a man trithout any prospect hut a poor
house for his old age. The Hon. and Learned Gen-
tleman then exposed the fallacious anti ill effects of
the law of %ettlenients at some length. The total anti
unqualified abolition of this law appeared to hint to
he absolutely nee's% try. Before they could return to
the original intention% of the act of Elizabeth, they
must remove the difficnities interposed by the regula-
tions arising out of the practice which bad grown up
with respect to settlements. What was the principle
of this law ? Nothing more than an arbitrary con-
nexion between the man anti the place of his nativity,
or of some sillier accidental relation. Arbitrary it
was, because it woo not funneled on any just principle
of legislation or policy. After some further remarks
oa thelneonsisteney and injustice of the law of settle-
ment, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman o:served that
it had been stated from Nottingham that there were
a great number of persons who hail settlements in
that town, but who resided elsewhere, and that there-
fore the totvtisnien were afraid the effect of this Bill
might be to increase the borlen of their poor rate..
lint the !lunge would see that the limitations of this
measure were calculated to prevent any such addi-
tional charge, beyond a specified proportionate
amount ; and therefore the elturchwartlens would
I have but a very short answer to give the par-
ities: they would be empowered to say, " You must
go el,etelirre, for we cannot a coal to maintain yon."
Ithe Act, the .1:11.1 of Elizabeth, provided a power of
taxing one parish in all of the too heavily burdened
friends of another. He (Mr. Scarlet*) objected to the
principle of melt taxation in sit ; but, as the power
%moil upon the statute-honk, it might be quoted with
some effect, perhaps to met' an evil which he thottelit
imaginary. lie happened to know that the account-
' latest population of mannfarturing tawns rendered the
lands in the vicinity of such towns peculiarly valnable.
Indeed, he could quote instant-es, where such lands,
cultivated for the subsistence of such accumulated po-
pnlation, were let at so high a rent as sixteen guineas
per acre. Another objection to the Bill before the
Home was the m ',imam which it proposed to intro-
duce ; and he was free to confess that cases might for
some time arise, in which that ma.rimosa wonl,l be
found inconvenient. But the legislature night not
to he deterred from adopting a sound and beneficial
principle by the fear of a temporary inconvenience:
let the House adopt the measure, see the effect, retain
the principle, anti remedy, pro tewpore, the trail
sient inconvenience. If any gentleman saw such
a prospect of temporary mischief, as to call
for the enactment of a prospective law, he (Mr.
Barlett) had a elastic which might be made part of
the Kill, and which supplied a certain cure for the evil.
If scarcity of provisions, epidemic disease, or any other
circumstance of local affliction should be found to ren-
der an allowance necessary beyond the maximum, then
let a meeting of the inhabitants of the place, not a se-
lect vestry, hut an open meeting, at which the sense of
the people could be taken, have power to make an ad-
ditional allowance. The system of maintaining illegiti-
mate children, and the mode of insrosing rates, were
both points upon which improvement might lie made;'
hot such arrangements were rather matters of detail, to
she treated of after the moving principle should he adopt.
ed. It was sail that, miller the existing laws, rah*
might frequently be diminished by the vigilance of ma-I
gistrates. No doubt they might; he (Mr. Scarlett)l
knew instances in which such reductions had been ef-11
reeled ; hut curls inatances were exceptions to the gene-
ral rule ; and the rood effect lasted no longer than the
vigilance was maintained. He v.greed that the calamities
tinder which the poor were Inhering had been pro-
dared in a great measure by the increase of taxation.
But why had those sufferings been so produced ? Be- i
cause increase of taxation, and the consequent in-1
erase in the money price of almost every article
of consionption, had not been attended by a per
porttonair increase in the rate of wages paid to ,
them. The labourer was now paid, not by wages, but
by charity : he was demoralized, enslaved, deprived of
that independence and self-respect which alone could
make him a good man and a useful citizen. All this
took place without a single shilling being saved to his
employer: nay, the employer. in the end, was a loser
by the system. It would he found, almost throughout
gagland. that the state of cultivation in which the
Und appeared depended in a great measure upon the
condition of the labourer by whom it was cultivated.
In Lancashire and in the west riding of Yorkshire
where fuel was to be obtained almost fur nothing,
where living was cheap. and wares were comparatively
high, was not the land, in general, in better cultiva-
tion than in the southern colonies, where wages woe*
low, and poor' rates enormous? It followed, iodised,
of necessity that it should be at. ; it followed of nese&
sly that a man would work better on a plentiful racial
anti a prospect of independence titan upon 9a. a week,
with the prospect of a workhouse. The farmer who
paid 200/. a year in wages, got more work done for
his money, and gut it better dune, than the man who
paid 100/. in wages. and 100!. in poor rates. The
Hon. and Learned Member then referred to some roe'
terns which he had received from the parish of St.
James, Bath, by which it appeared that, with an is
arose *sly of one-third in population daring the last
lOC yea.. the poor rates had increased gradually from
Its. 11,1 per week to 41/. fis. This inrrrase was eves
sew gulag on. Would the Ilona stem the torrent
new, or wait until its furca became overwhelming ?1
Alter some remarks upon the probable *Beet of the
proposed Bill, in saving the Immense empower in-
curred by removals. and in patties as end to lowa
which formed as eternal soiree of litigatioa, the Not.
Member concluded by moving that the hill be read a
Wood time.
Sir L WILSON was confalrat that himself sod his
Ilea. and Leaned Friend had one common object,
aast sty. the heads of *elegem; bet they finitely dif

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feted in the means to be penned for the atta.noseet of
tthoaathorobj:actte. the :tbaiteentetelloftolhlieroblieltli,b;l3:7ir itS
n7;4,
Blackstone hail declared to be tonndeil upon the fi,..t
principles of civilized society. lie roulette:ea Or t
statute to be the .iinelaa Chorea of the poor, and the
palladium of public tranquillity. With respect to tte
14auralullisiv‘buitenuricie'o' ntesiiTsirilhirliec'Llins bYtt metyl4l7;vpir'sueseohrsse.lia.Psd tthhael trniite::llasittw, :1::111:61dndi tMot
ie.
tinual Warts would be 'slaking to increase it. The
uext measure ought properly to be called the Awe
matrimonial and the Anti-population Bill. Be wog
convinced that the putting any restriction upon i 5,,,,
' riage, world increase the evils arising to society (nee
the prevalence of illicit intercourse. He deciai.ihk
intention of opposing the Bill in all its stagec.
Mr. PRANKLAND LEWIS was astonieheil to her
it asserted that the laws of Elizabeth had given inn ~
cable rights to the poor, and that those laws semis:a
were aloof from alteration or amen:Went. The nigh 44
property he took be one of the first principles 0( le,
British conetitntion ; and of flint right, the poor i„,
in their present ellape, were altoeether subversive. Tes,
till of Elizabeth, and some preceding acts, assigned pre.
visions for the poor in the shape of penal labia, sad
rot as a right of Ireirirty.
Mr. J. BENNET 1, after having traced the origin and
early history of the poor laws, said that the great evil
which r .nutted from them in his view was, that the,
'snide the poor man so abject a wretch as to hare no fief.
ings of character in society. It appeared to him, her.
ever, that a maximum in rates which depended on an
demand for labour, was absurd. The result of the hil!,
if it elsonlri pass, would Iw, that every man pnisitssin; a
whole parish would destroy his cottages to protect hia.
self from poor rates, and that other parishes world be
consequently buirlessed.
Mr. P. COURTENAY postponed the observations
which Ise was disposed to make till the Hill should be
committed, and assume that shape isr which the Hon.
Mover wished to have it passel. He totally- disagreed
with the lion. Member fur iteaminaeis (Mr. F. Lewis).
and agreed rather with the Home and liallant Genera/
(Sir it. Wilson.) The poor had a fair and jest claim,
before Owl and Irian, for a hither provision than tea
liononrahle Member for Beasimaris was disposed to
allow.
Mr. ILtititOlil) was understood to be farnerahle to
the forwarding of the bill in its present stage.
Lord MIL I ON was most friendly to the bill gem.
rally. The repeal of the law of settlement he to rsi.
dercd as particularry called fur, and he would most ew-
dially support it. ale must observe, at the same due,
that men under distress from other eirrnmstaneeserke
! out against the pour laws and against popilatine. lie
I thought the population had scarcely at all isscreasedie
1 agricultural distress during the last twenty years. If
inmemvaaniuu:aoeftinarai.nighatdowilniter,eiatssehdoinslice.4
beginning of the IMth century pap
irteeh had
sequence.eete increased
Atlti at tb
eti
lation hail been bought the strenigth and wealth et a
country : in the beginning of the 19th ei ntury, ilea,
for the first time, thought a ruinous burden. Ile h.
tiered the evils of the country were rather neieg Is
those who hail been called, not invidiously, drones is
relation to its industry and capital. The intermit ef
time debt was the burden whirls oppressed the coletry.
The pour by the law of settlement were as nserb ita•
e. epee Ade:4e as the ancient vassals in feudil tisers.-.-
That law operated equally against the poor sad tie
landholder, by es/dining the poor to places whore so
labour was to be found. 'I he clause in the leA mart-
ing marriages, Ise thought, would become nugatele,lai
yet would he regarde&by madly as disativautariel li
the poor. lie s.toold, therefore, wish it to be omit el.
'I he Marquess of LONDONDERRY sit old is
sorry to state any thing that might impede the meow
of the Hon. and Learned Oentleman to whom pet
gratitude was due.. If the measure should not des
diately succeed, evert discussion aod considered*
given to it would ripen the public mind for its ski.
mite success. A committee had sat up stairs tee or
sions, on this subject, and his right Hon. Friend (Mr.
S. Bourne) hail felt then the difficulty attendant or
bringing forward measures of this kind, while do
minds of gentlemen were unprepared for them. TI
. repot of that Committee, however, had done rat
I good. It hail introduced to the notice of the pahlie
I sound principles upon the subject of the Poor Lam.
and had taught the House, on which it merle a grist
• impression, that in all their previous legielatioa, they
had been proceeding in a wrong direction. 11, 10
repeated the expression of his obligetion to the Has.
and Learned tientleman who hail introduced the pea'
sent Bill, whirls, if it were only for tee discussles it
excited—and every discussion on the subject was 1
positive pain to the public—would he prodectiveei
the utmost benefit.. He would suggest to the H..
and Learned Oentleman that he should withdraw dim
motion for the present, and should get his ablates'
clauses printed, in order that the Horse might look%
his measure as a whole, and then fix as early a day 0
p •esible for the further consideration of the subject
Mr. CALCRAP f concurred with what had WM
frost; the NribleMursoriss. lie thought that it mei
be better for his Honourable and Learned Prima •
take the debate on the measure at some future Or
after the Bill had been reprinted.
Mr. SCARLET!' said, that he shonld haw le
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jection to go into the Committee izaarter, if be l_mon
had his clauses ready. One of those to whirls he 114.!
alluded he had prepared contemporaneously situ
hi'
Bill : but the other clauses he must endess be kat
mot ready. nor could he get ready without a del:
leisure to himself. If the House would allow
take the second reading now, be should be
to propose his clauses to the Committee oinistel;:r:
As he was now upon his lege, he would, wt
soissionwhoifch he hadltel received
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The magistrate informed him, that within th _.
fortnight a young person liall
given ti.ree guiles' 7
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a half for a license to be arried, who, alter he .
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married, had immediately taken advantage
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married.
marriage, to go to the overseer and obtain Irr•• haw
relief and a resideuce.--(llear.)
to lb.ehPeisaißirolliwtattaerci toißsneollpotroeiddiasay second time,
tsii°sl..and licall°ll
Mr. CAIN'S supported the motion.
Mr. DENISON opposed the motion.
Mt. J. EMI ill was in favour of it.
Mr. H. SUMNER was against the Bill.
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so to Stollen) had a elegise which inigns ore 000.... e..... _.
the poor. lie
ion. the Bill, and whirls supplied a certain mire for the evil. cioald, theretore, woe. o. .., —. _____
wto If scarcity of provisioos, epidemic disease, or any other he Mar:picas of LONDONDERRY sh aid le hos vie
'lorry to state any thing that might impede the meson Verna
'r to cirmimstance of local affliction shoold be found to ren-
r eo,. der an allowance necessary beyond the 'maximum, then of the lion. and !warned Hentleman to whom pot •ttatelos a
let a meeting of the in
of the place, not a se- gratitude was due. If the measure should not tame an Wei
mea-
lect vestry, hut an open meeting, at which the sense of didtely succeed, every discussion sod considered*
tate ; betted I
the people mold be taken, have power to make an all- given to it would ripen the public mind for its alti-
h the olitional allowance. The system of maintaining illegiti- respectl
mate-e success. A committee had sat up stair( toe we
'peak mate children, and the 'slide of inorosing rates, were
mons, on this subject, and lois right Hon. Friend (Mr. Inslonee
So- both point• upon which improvement might be made; Bourne) hail felt then the difficulty attendant ea
„re but such arrangements were rather matters of detail, to S. connect
letter -bc treated of after the moving principle should he adopt• bringing forward measures of this kind, while till priers t
if he ed. It was said that, under time existing laws, rates minds of gentlemen were unprepared for them. Tv Jitter tl
vori might frequently. be diminished by the vigilance of ma- I report of that Committee, however, had done
' " gistrates. No doubt . they might;rat from It
r. knew instances in which such reductions
hr (Nir- Scarlet') good. It hail introduced to the notice of the Wolk.
sound principles upon the subject of the Poor Lain. Piste
fecteol ; hut such inatances were exceptione to the gene- ,and had taught the House, on which it made a grist
cal rule; and the good effect lasted no longer than the
: of ate:
in aI
vigilance was maintained. He e.greed that the calamitiee ', impression, that in all their previous leeislatimetkry The
!•
laird, . under which time poor were +offering' had been pro. ' haul been proceeding in a wrong direction. He Win thougl
les to i ductal in a great measure by the increase of taxation. . repeated the expression of his (obligation to the Ho.
, , . moral
seta-1 But why hail those sufferinge been so produced ? Be- atm ',earned Hentleman who hail intrednced the It*
cause increase of taxation, and the consequent in- I sent Bill, which, if it were only for the discoed* it
ig the crease in the money price of almost every article excited—and every discussion on the subject tree a
1 tbe Ili
Stoned
of consoimption, hall not been attended by a tiroeipoeitive gain to the public—would he prods Greek
lay he porttotiate increase in the rate of wages paid to the utmost benefit. ,He would suggest to the 1110. uaret
pie to them. The labourer wise now paid, not by wages, buti and Learned lientleman that he should withdraw Itis . 4aity
by charity :he was demaralizeil, enslaved, deprived of motion for the present, and should get his addition' deed I
that independence and self-respect which alone could
clauses printed, in order that the House might leaks
womb
of the make him a good man and a useful citizen. All this his measure as a whole, and then fix ae early a days
ll,eono- took place without a single shilling being saved to his p .esible for the further consideration of the subject in go
lat the employer: nay. the employer, in the end, wae a loser Mr. CAM:RAP r concurred with what had fall" ' views
11, 191011 by the system. It would he found, almost throughout from the NeblrMutapiess. lie thought that it 1,00 *a
them, V.agland, that the state of cultivation in which the be better for lois Honourable and Leerned ?flood 1° rapt
lie woe loiod appeared depended In a great measure upon the take the debate on the measure at sonic filial. Mr° a.
pr,„, condition of the labourer by whom it Vas cultivated. after the Bill had been reprinted. wages
ref our In Lancashire and in the west riding of Yorkshire Mr. scARLEra. said, that lie 'lsmail hate 116 . ,(4. wilb
ed coy- white fuel was to be obtained almost for nothing, hats
to go into the Committee izaurter, if los me Mil
in the where living was cheap, and wages were comparatively haul his clauses ready. One of those to which Mid !mote
of time high, was not time land, in general. in better cultiva- alluded lie had prepared of
with Ins the
soarers minim than in the southern comities, where wages were Bill : but the other clauses be must emote* War
nebat
.11, lie low, and poors rates enormous? it followed, iaileed, not ready, nor could he get ready without s dal
owes of of necessity that it should be so ;it followed of needs. leisure to himself. If the House could allow hi. t°_, that
which shy that a man would work better on a plentiful meal take the second reading now, lie should be Freer" kelt
af poor and a prospect of independence than upon 9A, a week, to propose his clauses to the t7ounuittee on kltnniq' IA
ipuleory with time proepeet of a workhouse. The farmer who As he was now upon his le r• he would, with the ptv st
r. in the paid 2001. a year in wages, got inure work done for mission of the House, read to them an 'street of 11
port in- pis money, and got it better dune, than the man who letter which he had lately received from a magisvmer•
a relief paid 1001. in wages.. and 100/. in poor rates. The The magistrate informed him, that within the 134
s, but to lion. and Learned Member then referred to some re- fortnight a Young I'vrt'" l'3'l given tree guiliras Wit
is ofthe turns which he load received from the parish of St, a half for a license to he monied, who. oft" he w2s Ore
P rharity James. Seth, by which it appeared that, with an in- Pad
married, had immediately taken advantage of 0
ad upon crease only of one-third in population during the last WU
marriage, to go to the overater and obtain her hi°
it grand lOU yeas. the poor rates had increased gradually from relief aud a resideuce.--(llear.) ohm
ompared 9s. lila ?sr week to 41/. Ss. This increase was even The Bill was then read a second time, and (Ono' p
red upon new gulag on. Would the House stem the torrent t• be committed on Monday next. Lel
;ten held now. or wait until its force became overwhelming ? METROPOLIS ROADS lint. end
tmf a poor After some remarks upon time probable effect of the Mr. CHIN'S supported the motion. the
'Meatiest proposed BIS, in saving the immense exporting in- Mr. DKNISON opposed the motion. Tim
tba
1 "bast rutted by rtnilivils• and in Pnnimir on cod to Imo Mr. J. !MI I'll WAS in favour of it.
tted to a whleh formed an eternal source of litigation, the Wm. Mr. H. SUMNER was tut the Bill'
to robust Member eeneladed by mewing that the SKI be read a Sir SLOVAK') KILATCIIIKILL
pant al teemed dune. Os
004012. Bill col* sal
ii Itstiar *S. WILSON was mildest that himself 'sod his Mr. W. WILLIAMS did set think the
rtbele hi. Illoa. and Leaned reload had one common object to acessaplials its object ;be
must tiovrefort or ese
sapesesed a sisals le:
ilea with aamety. the tewilit of tfte)peor; bat they entirely Alf f pose it.
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