The Statesman.
London, England, 1823-04-16 00:00:00

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,airy of hiring made such a staiimeit, ,f;egre it fg meet ha uloilntioyf the law, it waa_ that which
the House the grOmids. m which decided dto pursue his I Altaniey,tieneral for Ireland,
that course which the Hon. Gentleman would now ineul fifld staird-to the Hoirise. He biped that the present Ses-
pate. Two of the :reversers were the close relations of lion would oat piss over till some measure was adopted
the High Sheriff (first cousins mum removed) and it was for hringiug to condign punishment those men who
known that he declared before tint trials that they need , tride with one of the most important offices in
have no anxiety upon the subject, as he had an Orange the country. If it was toned that the Sheriff of Dublin
pannel in his pocket—(Cheers); and a Protestant gentle- he'd abuse.' his office, it was the bounden duty of the
Man who was desirous of being placed on the Grand House to interfere. He was ssrry that the Honourable
Jury. Was refused by the Sheriff, who being asked sod Learned Member (Mr. Coarteney) desired to get
the reason " do you think that 1 would, put him, on rid of this important question, by naming the Order of
the Jury, after saving that he would abide by the the Day; nor did he think that his Right Han. Friend
King's letter ?" "In stating this, he did not (Mr. Plunkett) would feel pledged at his doiug so. Ile
inculpate the Grand Jury, it was the Sheriff was sure that his Right Lion. Friend could prefer that
who deserved censure for choosing a prefudiced everybleadmer slioul,l candidly state his opinion upon
Jury. The Grand Jury could not be inculpated for being the subject; and he (Lard Milton) would not hesitate
influenced by prejudices of which, -perhaps, they were to soy, 'bathe did no; Haute big Right Hon. Friend had
not, themselves, aware of possessing. Again, on the se- exercised a soanddiseretiens in the case. It was not pro-
con•l day, when 'he found the'Jitry Were not likely.to per that he should have tried en experiment of such a
come to any determination, he es:floated the pannel with nature. He asked why persons belonging to Orange
those of preceding yeses, and found they ran from seventy bodgem, and who would' nut obey the law of the land,
to one hundred ; but when it was limited to fifty, twenty- should he allowed to-hold high utcmes in Ireland? Wby
sit of whom hail never b: en on any former minuet, was Lord O'Neil allowed to remain in office? , Whyy, was
and, with the exception of the tem first, they all answered the Right How liertinet Or R. Hill) too-so:Re allowed
to their names in regular order. Nows he would put it to hold a high oiliee? Why, in fact, *ere the Members
to the candour and honour of the Hon. tientennan if he of the Orange Lodeemr *Mowed to hold the prinCiptil
was justified, under such circumstances, in tine course offices of the Government ? The prineipal clause of the
which he had taken. But the circumstances were rent miseries of, Ireland wee the.diyitled. state of the Gov,erts-
still stronger. A person who assisted in the Sheriff's went, and the misconduct of those who had longskept
Office swore that the Sheriff desired the pined to be up a spina.; of misrule in that country. lie highly ap-
brought to himself. to be prepared on that occasion, and proved of Lord Wellesley; but he felt that tanking ex-
that it should nut be given to the person who usually eept the strong arm 9f Donee could ever restrain that iu.
made it ont. So far for the conduct of the Sheriff. A tekreat.cicesan which had for Agee kept Iceland in a dis-
-Mr. Farley. who happened to he in the tavern on the treeted
evening before the not, and henrd certain expivssionvi MistGOOLßUßNsaiml [hilt Utter.* a fallen • ts a
dsfrom
was examined before the Grand Jury. lie sad "'the! he his• Right Hon. Friend, it Would not be necessary fur him
herd a person that evening who said certain, things. to ieter into a viondiesetiow.of that conduct which. his
He did not know his name teen, but he knew his per- Right Hen,,F,riend (Mr,,Pluelse9 had so ehlydefteeledsi
non, mid he had seat him several times singe,, and now He mast declare that he participated with his Riff,9ll
knew that his name was Foriks." The Jury asked Heti. Friend in thet'et be had done And took on lihnseff!
him if he knew him now. Farley replied that he did; hisfull share of the reeminsibility belangimigni it. Thil
but the 'Jury said that was no matter, as he dirt Out Lord who spoke last hid spoken of a divided Ho-
)Mom him at the time he heard tbc expressions, and they renown( in Ireland 'se, a great evile bet the aliannbeta of,
took his evidence against Forbes as a person unkuown. that Government eoncerreel in .every necessaty measure!
—(Hear, hear.) Farley was a Protestant, but the Jury for the government of 'relied, although they differed in!
believing him to be a Catholic, and wishing to throw an their opinions eesneetisig the Citholic question. He,
Imputation on his evidence on that nicioumft, asked 9/r. ayoultl therefore ash the NoblA Lord, who prolongsd bias-
Troveone of the witnesses, if he knew, that Mr. 'Parley self the friend of tolersitien, whether he would exclude
Was a Protestant. Mr. Troy card that he believed he wino
,ateu frota..effice onaceount of their r-ligious faith ? After
hot they imfaied to Five any credit to teitimony,al.4 so pperting the Catholic eleiwsle would lie hereafter oh-
m:oat' nut swear positively that Feeley was ii,ProtesSent• Jett to's Catholic Secretary acting in concert witim.arro-
,=(Hems, here)—lo the course of 'flyea's esmalinationses testant 'Lord- Linitenant.—(lear, hear.) He was re-
iippeerld.'from the mere on the table,, he wan, asked, pored to vindicete.every part of'
the conduct of his Right
wwere yons instructed to appear as 'a witness againat Ora. Friend,rine. Attorowl.lenernie bait as. 40), PIP thnt
liim replied not. " W bat deseeiptitia Orman wan the farther agifitiOnof ,pleittios meat to Otis:cards-
tihn finffg the rattle?" ken said he wes,aiallorsluoking Mosities, which it Meet be the wish .of all to bury in
Ain, !lid-then they allied, whets .'there not pithy, men oblivion', be woold Accept of the Modified proposition of
ike hitt?" He was asked "ir be had notsnid that Imbed his Hems. Friend (Mc Coureenay).
asiStakeia btal." He replied,lll9." "o.yes, you :nut," Mr..SI.IIOVOLIAM said.be Omuta desert the duty he
Milli one of the Miry, " became i havei in my notes,"— owed to the /saws end gonstitatiou of the country, if he
'HeWould'not trespais further alma the House, cry far as were to negative the proposition any before the Hausa.
-reteted to thle part of the ease. AP to the leg atty of the With all. the good wishes which be entertained towards
ex-Ocio infornietinn there was no doubt, but hint Right Hop. Fritter!, lie was obliged, with pain, to
An the eoestitntiainal queetiOn there wasitome, difference declare, that he considered Nis act of his Right Hon.
'of cipluion. If the power was never ti be Okercieede .if it r Friend to hive been against the Constitution'end Law of
Wks Miceinstitu'ional to eite►ciseit, it might to by Askeis the country. The Court of King's Bench did grant in-
away attOgither ; but if the. Power did emit, it was
.not formations, after Grand Juries bed thrown out the pills
*uiconetilditottel ticiercise It. lie admitted, however, of indictment, but that WAS done upon oath, arid the psr-
thilt it staiild be exerehied with disareffen, and. that the ties at the some time were required to enter into recogni-
person exercising it should be liable to the cdusequeeeest zauces to defray the expenses of those against whom they
if it was iniedastitiitionnif to exercise sueb &power, and applied for tine informations, in case tine prosecution fail-
that he had, however. eFertised it, ba hid no d rfence ; ed. In the present instance, however, au Attorney-tie-
bet if On the other bend, it werefegml, nnd diet be had urea assumed a greater power than belonged to the
been only charged with indiscretion In the exercise of it, Court, for he filed informations without affidavits, and
it teis for then, who brought the. Charge to make out a on his own antliority. Among the authorities quoted by
eases stealing that bo.a not exercised a sound discre-
nts the lion. (le:artisan having sw.de out a his Right Hou. Friend, there was only one ranee of a
tion:Soler from criminal natures the others to be considered in the light
civet so for from hii hiving laid any grounds for censure, of civil cases. There might he an indictment fur not
no, fact had been stele,' which did not come from himself, buildiog a bridge, and if the Grand Jury threw out the
and by these be was entitled to acquittal. The Right Bill, the county might be,proceeded against by the Court
Hon. and Learned Gentlemen conieluded by saying tbat of King's Israeli, because the case, though numioally
the House were Dew in possession of his feelings and criminal, was one altogether of a civil na'ure, therefore a
and he would withdraw, )raving them to ease of this kind did not apply to the act in qnestion,_
minim what course their whitlow and justice would lug- The reason given by Judge Blackstone in justification of
gest. (The Right lion.. Gentleman withdrew amid loud informations ex-officio was, that they were necessary in
sal tontioned cheers.) eases of clinger and urgency, where a prosecution ought
. Mr. W. COURTENAYSaid, that be never heard a mo- to be instituted as speedily as possible, and when Grand
Hon which gave him more pain than that of the Ho- Juries could not be foundsitting. Bat no such justifica-
nourable Gentleman. BUt it was impossible not to see tion could he urged in this instance. On this subject he
that, whatever was its result; it would only tend to in• felt very differently from those who seemed disposed to
crease the irritation of party its Ireland, end lie would, turn the disgraceful riot at the Dublin Theatre into '
therefore, suggest a middle etiOrse, which would give source of merriment. Ireland was long cursed by
neither party any cause for triumph. He wished to one tion, and his great fear was, that the country might still
the law impartially administered ; but he would ask, was continue to ha exposed to that faction ; and while he was
it possible fur any man, who had heard the statement of obliged to differ from his Right lion. Friend, he would
his Right Hon. Friend, the Attorney-General for Ireland, impress on the House the necessity of taking due notice
to say that lie hid exercised in an unjust or oppressive of the most illegal and unjustifiable conduct of the High
manner the power that was vested in him ? Who could Sheriff, which had been represented to the House that,
take upon himself to say that the Attorney-General was night. There was no greater misconception than to sup-
not justifiable is filing an ex-officio information, after the pose dial a Government divided in itself, could affect the!
Grand Jury had ignored time bill ? He was anxious that tranquillity of the country. The Right lion. Secretary
the House should not pronounce any decided judgment for irelend hai congratulated himself on the harmony
upon the question, in order that neither party should with which the Irish Government had hitherto proceeded.
have to boast a triumph. It would be a useless caste of In tbat harmony he saw something resembling a
time were he to mike any observations on the legality or harpsichord with black and white keys.—(A laugh.)—
constitutionality of the power which was exercised by the The principal Law Officers of' the Crown, namely,
Attorney-General. His Right Hon. Friend had adduced the Attorney and Solicitor-General were a pair
many cogent arguments in support of the course he had of those keys. The one differing from the other on that
adopted. With respect to the point, as to whether the most essential question on which the happiness of Ire-i
bad been properly exercised in the present in- land depended. To prove how hartuoniousny they glided
stance, he could only say that he thought hi.s Right on, the Right lion. Secretary said, they had not yet any
Honourable Friend had only done that which was meet- difference of opinion on any question. That was what
!miry for the safety of tine country, actiug as he did upon a he complained of, that they dint not entertain any (pies.
sound discretion. In his opinion, the Atturney•tieneral tion on which they differed. It was the fate of that ill-
would leave been guilty of a gross dereliction of his governed Country that they never had a cordial Govern-
duty if he had given way to any claims.which could lead went, hut as one officer, from age
.or some supposed
him from a due discharge of it. The lion. and Learned merit, went out on a pension, the vacancies were tilled
Member concluded some further observations by mating up, not by picking out men- of acquirements, but, to be
as au amendment, that the other orders of the day be true to the balance, by putting one man to counteract
now read. another, in order that there should. be no preponderance
Mr. D. BROWNE said a few words, which were not in favour of that vital question—he meant the emancipa-
audit& in the gallery. tion of the Catholic. It was the fate of that country to
401. BARRY amid he was anxious, by stating facts, have to pay heavy rents to absentee landlords, to pay
to remove the impressions which bad been made by the tithes to absent clergy, to be under loads of taxation to •
speech of the. Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Plunkett).— Government who did not for allegiance return protection,—
He denied that his Hon. Friend, the bfember for Armagh, They ought to rouse from their lethargy, in which they went
had ever coutentisd for the legality of the proceeding by too tong plunged, and not abandon their duty as the Go-
ekeflicici information. The House would see that. the vernment of Ireland did, merely to secure their places. The
Lord Lieutenant dines at the table of the Lord Chancellor,
19 cares which bed been adverted tn. where j•f•Tuadtjous
had been filed by ihnCouri Of King's Beech after bills who was said, though since denied, to have drank the toast
had been ignored, did not at all bear upon the present of his exportation. Time underling Secretary differed—was
at variance with the chief Governor. A liberal Attorney-
question. There was no analogy between such Informa-
tion, and those tiled on the pert of the Crown. General was coupled with an Grange Sollcitorstlieneral.—
The That was the state of Ireland. Ile wished to see ml dime.
Right lion. Gentleman then proceeded to vindicate the 'ions put down in that country. He could not vote for the
conduct of tee Sheriff and .eh, Grant) Jere, and entered acquittal of the Attorney• General, nor would he vote for the
into some details to low. that a winless named At. original resonation, because lie did not wish to give triumph
kinsan, and his tinnily, had hail the swieollial share to either party. He could not according to the orders of the
In contriving the attack upon the Lord Lieutemiaot. liousentove a new amendment, nor adjoure the farther con-
sideration of thequestion till the feels stated by the Atter-
Lord MI LION wits Oat to timid that Grielemen on nevAleneral for Ireland were proved. He did not mean,
the other side professed tbetiewlyee such warm wins:ate:. if no •holy else took up the. eishlects to bring forward
for constitutineml litmertY, U. wisher) they had dOtte so a motion on the conduct of. the Sheriff of Dublin.
in the year !Sin, when otte of them testament to thus Mr, Secretary CeS.NNING said he entirely agreed with
country to vote for the olltiOidose BNi that were then the Hon. and Learned Gen:. so far as his object was to put
passel —(Hear, hear.) poi No pet, he had come an end to the dissension which autos:mummy ,peisvailed in
down to the lioavein the expectation is) bring able Ireland. It was his wish to give to neither psrty"triumpn
to support the motion. Of the' Honourable Metoher for which might distress the other. He Marred, however, fr4ma
Armnegio; hint lie was surprised to findthat he had aban- the Hon. and Learned GI eat. inatamuch atsbne was desirous
sighted. The
this should(' be thde
utne nitr,:resTainffir •
set 0.
dotted the strong Issild by which alone his attack main'.
the Attorney-tidier*, for Ireland wield be mede, witn
H°u.ir%trAtlO itmote the tranquil Virera9mt, when hresiriing
effect.. The word ...particularly," which the Hemmer-
'coat alernh;es of its Government to odium. For the first
able Member had introdneed. his urine. thonrid:thal time during nienyeyears a disposition/Hid been shown. tm in.
he did not So mocia object to the conduct: 9c the Akt.Pr. a:induce. a Ovverometo, whist!wouldAdmieister
neytieneral spun broad Constitutional groundscaii owe imparthillyto all. I edisitnion had neisen ig Ireland, it wee
e rounds of a peculiar nityreeis. referenc.e.,te. themseties not onssecomit of partiality in the Goiernment. -Torre lo-
in question. If e'Vei there nas aase Winch would jos- , ways had been, since the Union, a party In the Adrninistra.

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Gen *btu opinion differed radically on a certain. question.
lf the lion. and Learned Qent. and his friends were to fonts
a new AdMinistration to-morrow,it would not be possible to
'procure unanimity on that subject. It was the duty of the
11 ouse to do every thing for the amelioration of Ireland,
Lud there had been no backwardness is bringing _forward
measures for her benefit. It was ready ungrateful at sack
, a moment toose infective. The Hon. and Lassoed Gent.
would do more in lending a helpinehvidtimn in agitating
feeling. fie opposed the motion with •• view that the
'Right Hon. Gent. might c irry hack to Ireland, not &triumph,
baa proof that with the Government of ireland be had the
Iconadence of •Parliainent. On that ri,emed the Right Ron.
Galt, might at least have his acqaitt..+.
Mir. DALY urgedbeceesitY of' inquiries, late .1110
eonduet of the High Sheri of !labile, and expressed-4 bop/
,that no '4014110n would be offered to a motion having that
object. . , •
Mr. BROUG DAVI said he should redeem his pledge, by
giving notice of a motion, if no other Umber took up the
subject, . . i •
Mr. scAttlikrr said he Mould not deny the piticivt-
ings of his Right lion. Friend to be legal;.lont from
being legal the inter ference'did.not lellow•or their being
caustitational dialer all the•eincometances °kite present
case. When. the Attorpev-GenerAl first cousen•4lo
take the opinion of the Grand :fury, he o fight to have
abided by their do-ision: Grind Juries were usett{l
the constitutional a lull niatiation of the laws, and Xlidtiglt
they ,alight Melt do warty through pa-alon, yet
they w.erg not to be libel et:antlAiluismitated.
the most favourable opinion Of his Right Hon. Fret t,
yet he thought thitt tie oversteppei; tb the' present
his usual prudedee.
Mr. lIROWNLOW. 41144 replied: He said that he
would not press the.question to allivition.
Sir F. kluttuarr roN and gal Italic', that no Tors-
dsy next the! Id inst., he wou;•1 bring,before the Dou-ie
the conductor kite Sheriff of Ddblin as con:!clted
this transaction.
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Colonel 414LI1VEL4 hoped that the Honourable %Ito-
.net woulol.shape the proceeding so that both the ShWit
of pumin shQuld atiew.
sir P. BUItDE a assented.
Air. ELLIS (of Dublin) %via about to speak, when
spoke to.cieder".• •
The iif4A.K4iteonsidereit that tke Hortonrable Ment-
her wee notin order„ lie then proceeded in the nine'
way to adjourn the Howe, when,
r• Air. ELLIS appeared on hi. legs: He said the Mil..r4T
of Dahlia (Thorpe) denied the expreasioes imputed ts
him, Mui r is4•ti far inigiry.
The House adjontuett at•t)ne o'Cloek.

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, Tasmvseen fel.lNDeragna.vesis-eVesterdir, *beret pit
of the Freeholder) of Middlesex, held their Analvessety
llinneret tire Mermaid T , Hackney, to .cdelirats
the return of Hynes and SC. Whitbread. Hayes. IJ
Parliament s Charles Spew Letters...lnn. Esq. is t' e
'Chair. After the health of " the King," and the other
touts usual on such occasions had beets shisalc,the Chair-
man proposed, " the hea!th of the Representatives, of
Middlesex, G. Byng and C. Whitbread,.sgrs,"Mr. llyng
and Mr. Whitbread then rewrites' thanks, and pledged
themail yes to continue their opposition to the abases bf
onr political system end their exert' one to pi:omelet the
cause of Reform. The next toast was " Joseph I inisT,
Esq. and a speedy termination to all wasteful eel:lrma:-
cure of the public money." This health was seceived with
three cheers; an I occasioned Mr. H. to address the comfit-
ny at some length. In the course ofhis speech he said, '6 it
had Bern o_il serve.l by some worthy Gentlemen, that the
country was indebted to
.him. tie would declare that 110
person should feel obliged to him. What lie had ash!,
—what he was doing, arose solely frau his conviction
that it was necessary to be done. He had aepitted him-
self thus, to satisfy his own conscientious and independ-
ent feeliogs.—(Chrers.) lle had no family, no con-
nexions to hoast of—no p arty to call upon to mists:a-0
the measures he thought necessary Lir the gond of, his
country. It was no trilling matter to keen his ground na-
iler inch disadvantages, against the laborious and disd-
plined troopsof the Minister; bat hr had kept his ground,
gni:Macau wisest example of what could he doge feo.n
small and unimportant beginning, &.n humble origin,hy
spirit of industry and independence.—There was, in
no human being, however low his station in life, who had it
not in hist power to contribute in some respect to the goo.i
of his country. He had been fortunate in that respect, sea
it was most flattering to think that he was now supported by
persons whom he never expected to see upon the genie site
on any question—a proof that it was not the individual, ha:
the glorious cause, that excited zeal in the breasts of th..)s.•
who joined him !cheers). The people did not want men of
rank and family to represent them—they wanted a choice of
Representatives from persons not shackled by personal in-
terests nor leagued by family alliances ; they wanted none but
those who disdained to act in opposition to the system whist'
secured godd order, and who were frieeds to huthanity."
the close of his speeds, Mr. flume adverting to the iu-
fluence of public money on public men, observed that “illa
way to make men honest was to withdraw from them she
meson of temptation. He would take away from all 'licit
in power the ability to bribe. and those who would tiod
the treasury doors bolted against them would soon t•tra
round and join in the romplaints of the multitude." [ fps
greatest applause was bestowed upon Mr. Hume iu Site
course of this speech.] After the health of Cie Chairman
and Some other Gentlemen were drunk, the company pro-
ceeded to enjoy themselves most heartily. The 51embess
of Parliament all left the room at an early hour ;
Sir Francis Burdett and Mr. C. lloblioase, before dinner-
The hunch of the Prince Regent man of war t..s.'ec
place at 25 minutes past I on Saturday list at Cis:Lib-sc.
Lords Melville, Sir fiettj.ausio lisiluwell, Sir Robert
Seppinge and the Commissioners and officers of the ye'.].
attended on the occasion, and the interesting spectits a
was witnessed by a greater multitude of persons than
was ever before attracted to that place by a similar scene.
The ship is of munificent dissuasions, end most beaus -
ful symmetry. Her whole length is 214 feet, and the
length of her gun Jerk 205. Her greatest depth is 64
feet, and her width 531 feet. Iler tonnage is 2,62(1 tons,
and the will carry 120 guns. She plunged into the
stream in the grandest style, and not the slightest acci-
dent attended the launch. A man, however, of the
name of Wynne, gunner of a sloop of war, in passing,
before the launch took place, from one of the p:sr's of
the main deck of the ship to reach the aciannowsiseimon
ladder; unfortunately missed his footing, and was killed
by felling into the stock below.
Cabriolets,it lies been for sometime reported. are aho-t
to be established in London as public conveyances. ,The
licenses, it is now understood, have been, issued by the
Lords of the Treasury to fifty of tam, to ply at the 4atk-
ney coach, stands fur the convenience of passengers. at
the fare of one half the price of hackney coaches. It is
seid that the, speculatitin is to be entered into, by the firm
'of a bailer in the city and a legal gent wean. alb. Tem-
pk. The carriages, which are rapidly preparing, are
'expected to make their appearance Omit Mayel se.
rift consequence of la dispel., which took place at the Wm •
grew Thee:re, on Thursday evening, the Stit inst., b tee. n
'Mr. R—, •I'dth regiment, and a Mr. W—d---ton, a
meeting ensued the following day, and after the parties 1,0
ioxchaegul flee, an apology age offered by the &lentil fai
W. Aries; cousultatie9 betwoen.the friends of the two uu.
itleasen, as apology, dic.ated and written on the spot, W4l
made by Mr. W. to Mr. R.
,Bniv-sTßattr..-.Yesterday, Thos. Larucll was eons-
!Pitted Inteiressasmination, on a. charge of assaulting a
OdatiOlan,ilanlpli WiIU Gods:dile Crease. of Haws :re
nawor4:mtpire.vad. foseibly at-ali Roue kis
perya#,Ao in Balk fscEnglond, notes. Tile sobers! Wes
co omitted. likeitittiik, bet weep eleven Krill titelle
09tifittlki Mafia ,when Jr. grosses
'tacitcd qt tilpq, wlto.,kneclud hint slows ainl,riA Nl
lais.pcitkets of the above soni. One of them. in hoidnig
him down, grasped his throat so tight, as W nearly cause
sant& ion,