The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-05-02 00:00:00

BARRACKS.

On the motion that the Report of the Committee
of Supply, comprehending the Resolutions relative
to the Barrack Estimates, be now taken into further
consideration,

Mr. FREEMANTLE rose, and re-stated at con.
siderable length his former observations on the sub-
ject. He expatiated on the great amount of the va-
rious estimates for the Barracks at Liverpool, Bris-
tol, Mary-le-bonne Park, &c. and commented on
what he termed the indecorum of oppressing the peo-
pie at such a moment of distress as the present, with
additional burdens, for purposes which might ulti-
mately prove fatal to the liberty of the subject. He
stated 98,000,0001. to have been raised in the last
" year. This sum exceeded by 5,000,0001. what had
been raked in the preceding year, and by 55,000,0001.
what had been called for on the commencement of
the war in 1793. This sum, immense as it was, he
had however to state, was insufficient to cover our
expellees, and under such circumstances, he called
upon the House to resist tbe•extravagant grant which
; they were called upon t¢ vete, And trusted he should
not call in vain. lie concluded by moving as an
amendment, " That the Report should be brought
up on that day six Months."
Some conversation here took place as to the effect
of the'amendment on that part of the report which
was not objected to. The result was, Mr. Free-
mantle withdrew the amendment he had moved ; and
at the suggestion of Mr. Bankes, it was moved as
an amendment, to deduct from the original grant
the sum of 90,0001. by substituting the sum 431,0001.
for 524,0001. the sum which they were first called to
vote.

Gen. TABI,,ETON objected to that part of the
plan,' which went to make Liierpool the military
point of communication between Great Britain and
/rebind,' and pitiying for his constituents (who had
no objection to the erection of barracks in or near
biverpoolY that, at all 'events, they might not be
erected on the particular spot at Eserton, which had
been markettout:

Mr. C Mt 111 strongly recommended every Pos-
sible sav►ng of the puhlic•money, at the present mo-
mentous crisis, and objected to the proposed bar-
racks at Bristol and Liverpool, but above all, to
those' in Mary-le-hone Park.
Mr.'B. BATIIURST spoke in favour of the rote,
and in particular Contended, speaking of the bar-
racks at Bristol,. that a place where they were
more necessary could hardly be named, as well to
relieve the innkeepers and towu's people, as with a
view to the benefit of the service.


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Gen. GASCOIGNE did not o
gether, but wished some means topble derived
erecting the proposed barracks at
site to %c hide so many objections had be.weonfunitdadset.iwilehere
Mr. WR.OTTESLEY observed, if been
peace
to be made to-morrow, the countroye
saddled with the permanent ex
mitlitieey to
m iieeltnotk:ellifflaPeerrrrasfcrfkoorms.
Could no compensation be
insteadr' o. f this p
soldierst he
being q inconvenience
uarte quartered
o on
them,
1 manent expellee ? if quartering the soldwiearss
Bristol;
.1
would be too far from the French prisoners in that
neighbourhood, why, he would ask,
seaport, selected for a depot for French prisoners'?
The enormous sum demanded for Mary-le-bone Park
f already
was altopether unnecessary. There were
Barracksmaatrcithydoeflianorkodaonod. Hounslow, with.
.
in lr
three hours Wereo po
c the Bar.
racks intended to ornament Mary-le-bon
There was no reason why the public money should
be squandered away impinruiptilioetuarhtrly.yafliottorgsteeehtehmpi;rfri::ituhte!oef
hoernuaimsiemndtittiogsetphoismoter
the
eat
I people. Why else were there so many Harrods
lesoreicidtedho,rsatnedstothhelisilhleidli,ta
whenrMilitary
C othl leegbelloyof whoM aertlioter '
12 or 13 years of age never could have a common
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beoW 'otpllmoiAingßthetTdyooeuNtthe. obeihsnearoaved, that the siteivatnotiron that.otuilaste.
cllLioturvM.eldrrp. Wrottesley, he would say, that it was impossible
stwouirnth oaasked quarter
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or Barracks.
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ready to
.ktnsooliwadoasms formerly,
I [Hear! from the Opposition.]---But such was the
present state of prices, it would be found impossible.
to build Barracks of the same dimensions for less.—
Hyde Park was upon a more extravagant plan. No
doubt there were Barracks within a certain distance
rof London ; but what would become of the troops it
they happened to be called to London? Mary-le-bone
Barracks were intended as a depot.--Ulear ! from
the Opposition.]—Wheu Hyde Park Barracks were
built timber was 31.—1 t was now 131.—Mr. John
Nash, who had observed that the expence of Mary,
le-bone Barracks might be reduced one-third, was
possessed of a fine fancy and exquisite taste for laying
out grounds, but in what he had proposed for these
Barracks, he seemed to have a very inadequate ides,
of what conveniences a soldier ought to have.
Mr. BANKES woulpot consent to vote a single,
pound that could anywise be saved. If the country
was to be burdened with heavy sums, let them be ap.
plied in carrying on the war in the Peninsula. The
sums now demanded, however, would not make our
I forces anywise more available in the Peninsula. If
the timber wag now so high at present, why choose
such a time to build Barracks in, when the increased
I price arose from particular circumstances which could
not be permanent?
1 Gen. PHIPPS having heard it observed that the
! Officers did not need to be accommodated in the Bar-
I racks, thought that Officers ought always to be
Ilodged along with the men, otherwise they might
easily be intercepted, on any ernergecy, in going
separately to their homes.
I Sir JOHN NEWPORT wished to ail; the Hon.
General whether the Officers of the Foot Guards
II were quartered along with the men and whether he
had ever heard of any inconvenience having resulted
from their not being so quartered ?
Gen. PHIPPS had to answer the. Right Hon.
Baronet, that it would be much better if they were.
Mr. CREEVEY observed, that by an Act of the
50th of the King, the Surveyor of the Crown Lands
was instructed to give in a Report of what was their
state every three years, within thirty days after the
Session of Parliament. Mr. Fordyce gave in the
last Report, in 1809, in which he stated the advert.
Itage that would result to the public from parcelling
out the 540 acres in Mary-le-bone Park, eat of lease,
' for building. Lord Glenbervie was now the Surveyor;
i but he had not as yet thought fit to comply with the
Act
of Parliament.. It appeared that Lord Glenbere
vie was empowered by Act of Parliament to contract
`with Lord Glenbervie,
for he was himself a consi-
iderable proprietor of the Regent's Canal. He‘read
1 to the House a card from Lord Glenbervie, inviting
!
every Member to vote for this Act; and he had in
his hand an advertisement from him, in which he in.•
vited persons to join with him in his undertakiug,
!holding out to them a profit of eleven per cent. side
was probably too much occupied with the Regent's
Canal to be able to make his Report. [A laugh.]
Colonel WOOD at considerable length opposed
the Amendment, contending that the barracks at
Mary-le-bone, Bristol, and Liverpool, were tweet-
sary, and justifying their erection on various grouuds,
seriatim.
Mr. W. WYNNE contended, that these barracks
at all timea objectionable, were .now peculiarly sot
on account of the immensely increased expeuces of
building.
Colonel BASTARD said a few words or. the same
side.
Sir F. BURDETT said, that he felt it less neces-
sary to address the House, from the coneiction he
felt of the truth of the assertion of the Secretary of
the Treasury, that he should be able to persuade the
majority of the House that the vote should be ac-
ceded to. On this subject, however, involving a
question of the highest constitutional importance, he
could not consent to give a silent vote. On former
occasions, in addressing the Houte upon this subject,
he had been accused of disaffection, because he had
asserted that the Government was attempting to
make use of that army e hich was paid by the peoelo
for the subjugation of the people.—[hear, hear!]`
The truth of this statement the vote now proposed
made evident, and some of its supporters even went
so far as to urge the necessity of concurring ill
it th,4: x
olestputihaece sowldhioemrs
tshheoynldwe intercepted
hseoa.
Alinisters].-lle had no doubt his remarks were not
their way to their horses.—[hear!
very welcome to the other side of the House, whose
business it was, with inconsistent prodigality, to
throw away the public money with one hand, white
they were grinding the nation with taxation with the
other.—[llear ! hear !]—At a time when discontents
tliuef,
robolt
convulsed the country—when Ministers felt their
.
weakness, and required support other than that of
the people, was indeed the fit period for establishing
a military system for their protection, by the erec-
.