The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-07-03 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

tinned in a whisper. It appeared that with that
condition the Reverend Divine would sot, or
could not, comply. The five electors, however, did not
abandon their desien. Accordingly they met again at
another inn, near CameHord. called the Five Lamm,
where a letter signed Japes Harvey was read, offer-
ing 60001. far the power of returning two Alemhers
for the borough of Camelford, to be distributed
among any Meets (befog a majority) of the Electors.
This proposal was agreed 10. The reply to the let.
ter, containing the acquiescence in the proposal, was
addressed to a Mr. Sibley, the portlier of Mr. Hal-
lett. It was proved before the Committee that Mr.
Hallett had held up sus Mooned pounds before his
pa:rner, Mr. Sibley, and bad said—" Sibley, do
yes Molt the Camelford Electors will bite at this:"
As a security for the money, it appeared that the half
antes of the sic thousand pounds were depo-
sited at Camelford. Ultimately, however the eon.
opine, failed and the election was lost. It did not
appear, however, that the balf.ootes bed been re-
turned; for it was proved that Hallett or Sibley had
eaid—le What damned rogues those Comelford Elec-
tors aro ! do you know I could sot get back the half
motes from them without making some comprouti.e!"
—After all this he really did not see how the House
could forbear from coiling Mr. Hallett before them;
considering that be had sluconded to avoid 'Wog
evidence before the Committee. It had also appear-
ed before the Committee, that there were two sets
of candidates, both on tits Ministerial :interest ; but
that, as they found they could not all come in, they
bad agreed to settle their deltas by the very tasteful
mode of drivriaig tickets net as tea-pot.—( Lank )1
By that decision the lot bad fallen on Mr. Stewart
and Mr. Collett—the Iwo unauceessfol Candidate
being Coles,' lissom and Mr. In his api.
Wen there was no mode so effect's! for the abolition
of the abuses and corruptions of the Borough System, ,
a 4 by taking each particular case that came before the
Morse, and punishing those who immured to be guilty.
It was non contended by an lionoarable Member
(Mr. M. A. Taylor) that it was hard to punish the
whole 49 Electors for the misdeeds of only fire of
them. Bet is that argument there was ao force. It
seemed to him that such a system as that which pre-
vailed in the Borough of Camelfird, went to the esta-
blishment of two Moues of Lords' sod that the
Peerage was thereby represented in both Houses.—
Pear, hear 1) He, therefore, thought that the
Mouse would consult its own dirtily by prosecuting
the matter. _

Lord CASTLEREAGII assured the Hos. Mem-
ber be hod edgiest!, been in favour of the poet-
raiment of the &boo to Moorish and the amanitas.
lion of Mr. Hallett. The Honoorable limber hat.
log now intimated an opinion tbat Mr. Hallett could
carry the enquiry and proof further than the Con.
wine* had bees a►le to do, lade him still mere de-
sires, enquiry should take place. 110 only hoped
the debate would sot betakes sow, and ibe declaims
on Monday,
Mr. HARVEY snared the Noble Lord, (bet, In
what he had said respecting the Tressery, be bad not
loteaded soy personal mission to the Noble Lord.

Mr. PRIIIkOSE wits in favour of howediately
proceediog to a cooslderation of the Report. Bo
could sot consider the c►arge of corruption MI bowleg
Deep proved quint nom thee four or be of the To.
lerg, and thought tint Moose could got, consistent
with use Constitution' principles, keep in akeysoco
the rights and privileges of the other gluten of the
Borough. Ile proposed that the Attoroop.Gertorel
should be directed to prosiest, the parties cemented
la ihesetrausections.

Alf. TB. BATHURST them& they eeght net to
be mopped in theism, bet coatings the tawdry is soo-
ther Session et Parliament.

.....
Sir C. BURRELL said, it was impossible to do
jsstice to this use, without ozonising a most {sport.
out evidence. A great law Authority, in another
place, had so narrowed the evideeco—(Order, or-
der!)—Tbe ►videace tires bad bee. so sorrowed,
that they retold not eternise too may witnesses.
Mr. BROUGHAM Mooed Mr. Hallett might be
received as a mimeos, tireogh he was said to bare ab.
wooded I. Order 110 t to give evidence. He therefore
thought he should be essesined to.esorrow.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR withdrew his opposition to
the sootiest.

_
After smite eoa►ermlioe between Mr. Wynn,
Mr. Bathurst, M►. P. Moore, Mr. Alderman Waltb-
■ss, Mr. Brougham, sod Mr. Calcraft,wbo mid, that
there was no reason why Parliament should not sit long
mniogh to lovestigste t►is important sobjeet, the Re-
port was ordered to be taken into farther madders-
lion es *today out, and W. Hallett to anted the
MOON..

On the motion of Mr. D. HARVEY, the Speaker
was ordered not to lure a new Writ for Camel.
ford till Monday ; sad the Res. J. Mason sod J.
Harvey were ordered to atisod the Hesse on Wed-
ands), nat.
The New I{set► Wales Duties Dill was com-
mitted.

Mr. BENNETT uid. this was a meson broeght
forward to indemnify Governor Maegoarrie for ill..
gal isles imposed by him ow toeo■ge, and a Poll•tea
ens remote teasing the Colony. Ile therefore moved
to omit the whole of the first clean referring to this
imiemoity.

M►. FORBES defended the mingled of Governor
Mamma,. An Hoe. Gentleman bed thrown out
insinestioes spinet Governor Macqoarris which be
was not borne eat in stating.
Mr. WI LBERFORLE said, it was impossible for
Mtn to mambo what bad been said oa a former de-
bate.
Mr. FORBES said, nothing, be must admit, could
be more demised,. to a tido; Colony, like Now
Booth Wales, then to impose export duties On the
COMllledititi mot oat of it; but those (Wits were
laid oa byr his Majesty's Government.
Mr. BENNETT said, be bad formed no decided
opinion as to the comfort of Governor Macqoarrie ;
bet what be had hoard from the evidence, warranted
him in saying whet he hod.
Mr. WILBERFORCE said be knew Governor
Marginede to be a fine, bravo, soldier.like man ; bet
absolute power was net to be teemed to any man.
Mr. W. WYNN oppesed this Act of Indemnity,
upon as allegation, witherst prnof to support it.
Mr. GOULBLIRN said, the simple question was,
•Father the Ilee►e twofold indemnify of for acts
thommltted seder the direction et Government. Go.

',tone Macquarrie ought to be indemnified, as be had
ertlhlished the port regulations under the only legal
advice he enstil obtain is that colony.
Mr. WYNN said, whether this was a case for in.
&amity or nor, the merits of it ought not to depend
on the @gentle° of an Under Secretary of State; bet
should be supported by the Report of a Committee.
Besides, he wessfraid the Bill could not pass althorn
the pretties. Resolution of a Committee of Supply;
because it proposed to confines dillies, now admitted
to here been, in the first levylog cf them, inert.
Mr. ROBINSON said, that be could state lateral
instances in which duties bad originated, wit► respect
to the Colonies, in Committees of the libels Hesse,
awl not in Committees of Supply.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sod
Mr. BROC DEN, she Chairman of the Committee,
were of the same opinion.
Mr. COULBURN then proposed that the Chair.
man sboold report progress, and ask lease to sit again
to.nsorrow, which was granted.
Lord JOCELYN moved that the House should
agree with the sesegulateet made by the Lords io
Chase's Relief Bitt.

Mr. CANNING said, Ibis matter arose out of a
practice of granting loans by British subjects to the
native Nieces in Indic These persons did so in the
teeth of an Act of Pediment, proeselpted in India
against seek practices. He opposed this Bill because
it first recited the siolalieo of the former Act of P.r.
Himont, and then stated, that for this reason these
persons who entered into this loan should be indern-
nilied for say gross vinlation of (bat Act. Their
Lortlshivs bed sent this Bill down in order to stultify
the Howie. Ile should, therefore, move that the
amendment of the Lords should be taken into con-
sideration this three months. _ _ _

Mr. WARREN said, the Houses of Lords and
Commons bad speed that these unfortunate Gentle.
men should be relieved • and yet they were new
a ked to refuse that relief. Ile contended, that this
Loon was benvirial to the Madras Gosereseent ; sod,
thereforst, these who advanced it ought to be re-
senerated.
Mr. CANNING explained. . .

Mr. T. COURTENkY could not admit that the
alterations by their Lordships merely related to the
preamble. Ile hoped that the lieu. would cot dis.
agree with the Lords' amendment, end that the mo-
tion ould not be persisted in.
Mr. J. P. GRANT said, that 150,0001. bad been
advanced, bona fide, to the Madras Government,
by the house in question, as agents of the Nabob;
and the PAM India Company mere the real opposers
of the Bill.

Mr. CANNING bsd looped that the case weeld
►ate gone before the Commissioners. 11. was ready
to withdraw the motion, and to disagree with the
Lords' amendments, taking the chance that the Lords
weeld agree to the Bill as it originally went ■p fro■
that Hesse.

Lord JOCELYN would persevere to his motion.
Mr. S. BOURNE, said, if the preamble failed in
the case of a private Bill, which the present was, the
Bill fell to the ground.
Mr. WARREN es plained.
Mr. WYNN oat of opinion that the passing of the
Bill weld establish a .Isuaerees precediot.
Mr. LUgIINGTON thoenbt nothing could be
OWe absurd then the Bill ',liberal the preamble.

The 11.... divided—
Pm the *dies (t.. ogre, uilh the Lned: auseedment) 45
A6timit h 16—M.jorfly 29.

The Irish Fees in Chancery Bill, was, after some
observations on the part of Mr. lityrcuisioN
and Mr. C. GRANT, read a third time, and rassed.
The Report on the Irish Assessed Taus Bill ass
broeght up, and a Bill ordered.
The Eachesteer Bills' Bill and the Irish Treasury
Bills' Bill went through the Committee.—Reports
te-morrow.
Oa the question for the third reading of the Smug.
gling Prevention Bill,
Mr. J. SMITH stated, that the liberty of the sub-
ject had been oftee invaded by Custom-hoew of-
ficers, though without any such intention on the pars
of dovereaseat.—Tbe Bill was then read • third
time and passed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved that the Lords' amendments on the Bank of
Ireland Cash Payment Bill be taken into farther
coosideration that day three months; and obtained
leave to bring in a new Bill on the subject, which was
reed • first sad second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted to-morrow.
Sir W.DE CRESPIG NY withdrew his motion on
the subject of Mr. Owen's plan till the nest Session.
Mr. J. W. WARD rose to protest vault the ie.
sertion of his owe ease and that of a Right Honour.
able Friend of his (Mr. Stores Boerne) into the list
of the Committee on Mr. Owen's plan. If such as
b was conferred spots them from any supposed
approbation of the plan Itself, he most declare that
he sod his Right Hon. Friend were totally unde-
serving of it. Ile regarded the scheme itself as en-
tirely unworthy the consideration of the House.
Here the Honourable Gentleman was called to
order by Sir WILLIAM DE CRFSPIGNY, who
thought it informal that the llonnerable Gentleman
should enter into any discussion when the motion
was withdrawn.
Mr. J. SMITH regretted that the Honourable
Gentleman hail spoken rather contemptuously of the
plan : he would not enter into it now, but would merely
say, that the Bother of it was a man of the greatest
benignity and benevolence, and that he bad shown
In the management of those soder his own charge,
the practicability of some of his humane views. He
had visited his establishment at New Lanark, end the
regularity, the order, and the comfort that distin-
guished it, 'marled any thing he had ever seen, or
almost any thing he had ever read of. The House
would scarcely believe, thereat of a population 01
1100, in fourteen years there bad not been a single
individual brought before a Court of Justice for a
crime. The education began at three years of sr,
and nobody who had not seen it would credit the
progress which children of seven had made. He did
not hesitate to say, that Mr. Owen had dens more
for education than any man that ever lived.
Mr. J. W. WARD folly allowed the humidly
and beoevelence of Mr. Ogren, and only wished as
not to be understood as subscribing to his plan.
The other Orders of the Day were then dispowd
of, and the hetet adjourned at Ono o'Clock.

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