The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-20 00:00:00

took Op arms in their own
fon—llont the country, and
for thentseires. Whether that ,
good or bad was a question which he did not intend .to
'meter upon. It was established by the tegitinaltrikt-
Aliority of the Country, and wag trough-I about by the
aorta of the Spanish nation, aided by s Noble and
Gallant Friend behind him (the Duke of Wellington.)
satisfaction that he stated thit the Ambas-
sador from this country at that time, witetrite save
thd King of Spain at Valeheil, *lsm he et-
teeed. Madrid, advised hidi; under etetain mo-
diftelatiOns, to accept the Constitution then ten-
.deted to him. The King, however, adepted
different counsel. He determined erns dissolving
the Corers, by whom it was desired that the nsodifi-
coition in the Conetitution should he formed. The
circumstances, therefore, were different in the ease of
l;ipstin, and differed in this tnaterial points—Mat all
(that was done with regard to Spain bore a national
Istinsp. For what Was there in it which was sot na-
tional? Wag there any sect eotecerWed in it different
'from any which existed in other conntries ? Was
there, in short, any thing which took from it the eon -
plete chararter of a national transaction ? No Foreign
Power could be justified in interfering in that ease
upon any ground. There were two great questions
which arose in orery interference of one Power with
another. The first was a moral question—whether
the party interfering had a canse to justify that inter-
ference ? The second was a prudential one—whether
if there were a cause, is Mould he wisdom or folly to
purine it ? Hr must say that he did not •feel that
there was any ground for interference on the part of
this country. Ile did not feel, neither, that there ins
any groomd whatever for the aid of this eountry being
eiren to either side. The Noble Lord had entitled to
the manner in which the Kiqr of Naples hail become
possessed of his dominions. He could tell the Noble
Imes, that he hail become po si of thesis by the in-
vasion sif an Anstrian army ! He Was placed there by
an Austrian army, and with the express stiptlation that
that army was t., remain for sonic time, after the ac-
cession of the King to power. It was due, in justice to
that .ll calumniated government of Austria, to
state, that the army was withdrawn front that country
las soon as the prospect of permanent traisqnillity
ap-
geared, and a rousiderabie time before the termination
of the eriell stipulated. With respect to the procla-
mation to wl ;• is the Noble Earl had referred, and
read, he moist express his opinion that it was a spari•
out document. He did not mean to vouch for it, lint
he felt pretty certain that it was as he hail stated.
With respect to the conduct whirl, hail beets adopted
towarols Anstris, be believed it was wholly consistent
with the honour of his Majes•v's Governmen., and he
could not think that it called for any interference on
the part of Parliament. There had been no rsinivoca-
(ion on the part of his Majesty's Government in this
affair. Government had not taken any part, and
they would sent take any part. If the House conceived
that they were not justified in the course they had
already pursued towards Austria, they would vote for
the production of these papers.
Lund HOLLAND declared, that before lie proceed-
ed to Holiee any of the topics which had been in-
troduced in the course of the debate, he must say that
it appeared to loins, from the view which the Noble
Lord opposite (Lord Liverpool) had called upon him
to take, that the information before the House was.in-
sufficient. The Noble Lord said, that if they voted
for the production of more papers, they expressed! an
Upiait/11 that this government tvonld be justified in in
terfering with respect to Austria. Ile denied the po-
sition of the Noble Lord's. Ile might even acknow-
ledge Goat the papers they had were satisfactory ; lint
still they were ills. plete. The Foreign ronots, a•
far as the controversy appeared by the papers on the
table, had certainly the better of it. What were the
proceedings of the Greve Allied ('warts? They told
us that we bail signed treaties, by whirls we were
Immod to support and go along with them its the course
they were at dais 1110111P1Ii piorsosiog with regard to
Naples. The answer to this was, that we recognized
the said treaties, hnt denies! we were bound by them.
This was very well as far us a flat denial went ; hot
this answer also referred to other treatio.9, which modi-
fied anti explained those insisted upon by the other
Courts, and from which we iitferreul that we were not
bound to do their liiituling in the present instance. It
was evident. therefore, that in glider to make the mat-
ter clear and explicit to that house, they were bound
to produce other papers. hese, however, were not
the chief reasons upon which be intended to vote for
the production of the said papers. He must confess,
that after floe consideration he hail given the subject
from the papers they possessed, and after listening to
the speech of the Noble Lord (Karl L.), and combining
the two, lir thought them were great grounds for
thinking that there was partiality sun the part of'
Ministers in their proseredi4&:ltle the Allied Powers.
The Nubile Lord opposite his speech •Iry chidiat
his Noble leriend Marl Grey), fur laying great streets'
on the date of the declaration of the Secretary for
Foreign affairs on this subject. In reply to all that
was urged against this part of the proceeding, he said
that they had been bolding this langnage for a long
time to the Austrian Conrt, and he also said that they
conlol not' pub:isli the paper in question sooner. Mt'
the thus.• at which this paper was published gave him
(Lord Holland) strong groutids for suspecting the in-.
elination of this (tips-crust:eta in the affair. The Noble
Lord said, he was aware that the insinuation was, that'
the paper 'was got up for the meeting of Parliament
and he must emotes' that for :his own part he thought
it hail very notch that appearance. The date of the
paper was, the 19th of Jatincry. It professed to be in
answer to a circular' hewed by the three Courts off
Russia, Prussia, and Austiia. it was in answer to ai
public paper from these Courts, expressing sentiments,
not for the First time eipressed, and acted upon. it
''itras somewhat strange that at this peri,nl of time, re-'
preatoilittion and remoisstraive should hare done so
little, that it should be necessary so late as the t9th
January, Illkit;to•sena forththlt tblie declaration
the srittirisiots of the Mash
more Milne that this Po6lie
be masse tTtl when It *as of no*,
l'he last linelVat there had heen ,
flOt4 op this shitieet, be realm:
tared to rectinitiktie ibSi 'the
between thisnrhothent • asst •t,
alidstlJ ba.i4 • llllii•thefitrme
't:entiirl4 it inner • -
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Thumb. He new thought that these patio, 64
' a dialogue from another quarter of a riatila(
He now thought that one of these parties ar.
, very like Sit Christopher Hatton,in
The
ritic," who thus addresses the gallant Raleigh
" Tell me thou champion of thy cooitr's
_

For there's squab-on *Weill still taint ask,
& goooltioas "WA I.'

IldWillistgeeemearanithessanste armaments,er:eittYth"bilkitethn) rdelllgh
. p.
44ti0di461,7-sktialltitAls cariosity, .har
wheetkinetwhatiti.;"l eVinhis%
play
began
*did not liitvehrixtepber ask thirhortrre, aajirelt*
0::44:14_;
tfonreht:titir
;the ordienee did•not keow it ?"--(1 gh
ig
was the else with his. %jetty's thavertupent sal IL
.Court of Austria. They 11114.1eutuoil each mho, 1,,,1
.enough ; but Naples did oat. Parliament to
about to to meet; the certain was about to des -
(A laugh.)—This was another suagrines.
ruiner for that paper, which mill, we took die alf6rt
opportunity of expressing oar opinion of the cutitaid
circumstanCes in which that revolution took Are
Thee were aelOsecty, as the Noble Lord
to express their sentiments whenever tlity
bet, if the Noble Earl was that lover of pram am
neutrality which he professed himself est.
league* to be, he would have told these stadiums* to
the party moss coneerwed to know thee ',chute. MI
they eotenstroleste their sentittreote on the subject is
the Neapaltant? Nu ; it was only to that Pewit
which ma most likely to make au acgressios
them en the strongsh of it. 'Fir Noble- Earl talliw
of his being a friend to nentraiity, and inn Uhl
boasted of this tioverum• nt being one of the cr,..4
Constables and Keepers of the teener of Ennis,, tc.,
illnsttate this he would put n ease. Suppose Mom
acquainted wita a little v.-aim, week in beii; asst
Livid in diaporition And sni:pose he were ales
sptainted with a :eta' bulky Pliow, of great c
It reit snot of a most este rrelsonse, overbearing,jeehas
temper, nei !thou rnf his t Ile fennel
limn were to di) inlet It i tug to lois grd e to scempaaw
his a boole, which he(l.ord i lollwasl)li new woullcallimit
the anger and disapprobation of his great built fried
and he were to go to his bulky friend and say—"9u
what this fellow has been doing ! lam come wWi
issue's haste as I rould make, to tell you that Ilighlr
disapprove of it, and that no matt can do snore thas I
do;" at the same time. that hr (the overbearing Sas)
should give orders to his porter nut to :Winn the-little
man to the house, and make a resolution himself that
he would never go near him, least he gave a satisfac-
tory explanation of leis conduct. Nhat WOlll.l Le
thought of his partiality he should like to know, and,,
such eirertmstaners ?—(Laughter.) Still more to,
when having beard that the bulLy mats hail brat the
weaker one with a great cudgel, he should tale as
early opportunity to declare his anxiety not to prejtulpe
the case, at the same time, snaking a speech, le cashes
he should tell all that he knew to the discredit of
little friend, since the commencement of their arquiet-
aneeship.—(Langhter.) He maintained that the.e
were suspicious circumstances. What oorasion 113 S
there for the Minister in that House to get ep and
talk ahont abstract tiovermnent ? Why did he tale
that trouble for the benefit of Austria? The Malec
Austria bad pretty plainly told them, that he did sat
w sat learning
.sser learned men. tt I want,- said his
Majesty. " good subjects. not learned men. ' AM
this paper, concocted at the For Secretary's Otfirc,
was drawn up with all its learning, with all its eke
racteristir beauty of language, with all its cleatsets
and precision for the sole purpose of pleasing stick
men as this ! The Noble Earl ovposit• said, that he
did not disapprove of a revoration beca woe an army hml
taken part in ii. But he said, he did disapprove of
it if it -originated with an army. Ile said, t.m, that he
was ready to ad suit it, if achieved by competent authority;
provided. the grievance to be remedied be complained of
This doctrine of the Noble Earl, hr most conies., ap-
peared someirhat unintelligible to him. What was tie
ssb,ect of all political revolutions To purify the Coo-
rerametot; and What Wad the grievance coompi Mod of
in ail revolutions, if it was not the I i,oc..roincno es
competent. Authorities, as they were eAlleft c 1/141 the
Noble Kari, tarn, Illeall to say that the competent As-
diorites were-to put t hemselves forth as a pries-atm
and revolt against themselves ? Ile hoped thut the
late Revolution would operate 14.4 ;‘, warning to N.,
starchy—and if it did not, he hoped they would or
rate as an .eansaple to their soldie7l an I suhjec s!—
That was a feeling which every man who cherished li•
herty in his heart lutist participate in. Ile could set
help remarking on the delicacy of the Noble Karl*
vane who was co 11/I%iutla not to prejudge the case, at
the same time that he threw away the reasons srlsicii
Austria Mad sooigneil for its conduct, and aultlemeit
a new one. •He referred to that part of the NoMe
Lord's speech which alluded to Sicily. What was the
situation of Skil,- when the House of Bourbon was re-
stored to Naples ? The King came from Sicily with a
Ceestitetion which he had sworn to and sanctioarc
end of which he had derived all the advantage herordi
'and one of his first acts was to break that Constitution.
The Noble Lord opposite, in the course of his
speech, had touched upon the Carbonari. lie
said he did not like the origin of the Orin/car..
He said •that' sestet societies were not sentient "
monism to justify interferences ; lint if they were I,'t
confined tb one nation, but existed in other nations.
thew that wood!, be a fit subject to interfere with si.e
xffaitar ofitnotiver crsentry in which a Revolution hid
been accomplished by these Secret Serieties. He would
toikailiaVe to /Mint out one fallacy in this 1WP14606
the Noble Lord. 'The Noble Lord had roorfetanded all
thregh that Which gave a right to forcible inter-
Ilerereit:Oh'tliat which gave a right to remonatraßee-
And One chair against Austria throtiodtout thewhok
of their pruee•Atigs was, that she load never told the
'people of Naples what ',itemise'. it was she essinplainfe
of, Pier neve 'indted )ter
its retires' it: SO far them
she was ibe ilcztlessor in the rewrite with Nsples--.
The 116ble Earle however. in the course of Ilia spree,s
madelhe'cirenmstanels of the Cs:bon:or;
• the Revolution. to be !hi'
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efenre, drove fdleir oppreio Tom 11
established a Übvsonment adopted
at form of Ooveniusent *as nature,

public declaration of an active part 4t the Neapolitan Revolution, to we "H-
-11 Cabinet. it war thin. distit rubbed Mature between it and the Spankb Re-
deelaration altould •uot: volution. OW lee (lAtrd Holland), had lward
use to the weaker parts.' the Itirvolatiou:ol the Ndr-luil'h •AtimY "4 1"11;11:
ten a earreciatiop In•this, abuqt by like Ihirbotaari. fin did not preteed ti,b2v
membered that he !mai, 'sae* good ihlorthation utr tbr;Nobie pat', bat he 11..4
'7e.rstraliKe flf tellfinkiutf, ketiliftis.- tire Kubla Earl 'raid. Oat if the Oliit
tl 'the Aistrisirdpittitt pgrraidid sottittlies, that was a piss( of its jifi°'"
dill°1014:110 bej t.y. bad perhaps,: forgot ten when he nestle ,st
t
tither disreirkethil' tererisla ratibitlitarthe Proles/am Religo","
7bThiasik by sorass.44 secret Nisei; i 4sions brohi b.
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