The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-04-15 00:00:00

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•Throne. It was the meal practice to move an Ad-
dress to the Throne on the day offer a Message
was received, and aow. thwNeble,Eark, wltheist our
retina, desired the Home to abasden tfiht plactlce.
It apiieured that the *hie Lords on the other side
et the 'loose cootd nut' make op 'their -Wadi as to'
what ought to be done ontil they receded hints from

the House on iitick be stood they were ready to,
vote an Address as usual' in morn to the Message,
gsaysliog their gnawer with the words which
Noble Friend bad inserted at the close of his motion.
He should, therefore vote for the amendment.
The Earl of tfAUDERDA LE felt it to he a veryti
extraordinary proposition to delay the Address wbicli
ought to be returned to the Prince Regent's Message.:
But their Lordships' had to consider whether it
would be more proper to delay the Address for a
day, or to adopt that which his Noble Friend had
proposed, which, Lf his (+Winn, would be more dis-
reaper-Ifsl to the (`roan fillon the postponement pro.
posed by the Nolti,F„lfi. There was no precedent
of any such Addfp. as fhtst which his Noble Friend
bait mated ever been voted by the House.- -
The words with wino. be terminated it would imply,
that their fanr.l.hips had not a proper feeling for the
taxes with which the country was burdened. To
agree to it would be to acknowledgethat their Lord-
ships had tieglected their duty. He, therefore, could
rim vote for the amendment.
The Mattiois of LANiDOWNE observed, that
the House was placed in an unprecedented situation.
If the amendment moved by his Noble. Friend was
unprecedented, their Lordships must perceive that,
such as it was, it was forced upon him by the unpre-
cedented conduct of his Majesty's Ministers. Their
Lordships had no other alternative left but to ogre*
to the amendment, or to adopt the extraordistaryr
course proposed by Ministers. The Noble Earl had
assigned no reason to induce their Lordships to de-
part from the usual course: all that they had heard
was,that they would bik informed to.morrow of the
reasons why they were not to do- their duty to-day.
The Noble Viscount, however, had gone a little far-
ther, and made an important reveletiots. He had
said, that by the delay certain impressions might per-
haps he removed.—( No, no! from the Ministerial
Benches.)—He had' ttended to the Noble Viscount',
words, and was roubdesit that impressions to be re.
weaved, and alterations to be made in the plait, con-
stituted the reasons which he had assigned for delay.
lie would ask, how were the impressions spoken of,
whatever might he their nature, to be removed ?--
Cereatuty not by argument, for none had been em.
played. But it appeared there was seine mode by
which im.ressions were to he removed, and site.
rations made, without the knowledge and concur.
fence of that House; and that, while that process
was going on, their Lordships niust patiently await
the result. A 4 the mode by which this was to be sc.
complialted was, it seems, not fit to be stated, the
House were required to adjourn until Ministers came
fully prepared with the result of their secret consul.
lesions. The House was therefore brought into this
strange predicament—that whether they adopted the
motion of the Noble Earl or the amendment of hie
Noble Friend, their conduct would be liable to ob-
jection. The motion of the Noble Earl appeared
on the face of it the most disrespectful to the Crown,
end the most improper for their Lordships to adopt;
end upon that ground, if his Noble Friend persisted
isr putting his amendment, he would vote for it.—
Ministers had by their conduct imposed upon the
House the necessity of choosing between two diffi-
culties.
Lord HOLLAND felt it necessary to say a few
words in reply. His Noble Friend (Lord Lauder.
dale) had regarded his amendment as more objection.
able than the motion of the Noble Earl. Would his
Noble Friend theu suggest any other mode of getting
rich of the difficulty in which the House was placed ?
this motion was a consequence of that of the Noble
Earl, fur the mode he bad adopted in moving the
amendment was rendered necessary by a proposition
to discharge the Order of the Day. His motion cer.
tainly would not he respectful, if carried after that
Order had been discharged. He could not help feel-
ing that he came to this contest with the Noble Earl
on very unequal terms. Ile came expecting to vote
an Address on the Message of yesterday ; bet the
Noble Earl entered the House, after having consulted
with others, and these others again with others, and
perhaps with individual Members of Parliament.—
His Noble Friend had said that the amendment was
unprecented. He certainly must acknowledge that
it was in some measure unprecedented, because there
never had before been such a motion to amend ; but
he would contend that the form was not utrprecedent-
ed, for there had been several instances of Addresses
to the Crown being moved in the way he had pro-
posed this, by adding words after the word that in
the original motion, the remaining words of that mo-
tion being afterwards negatived. He could not com-
prehend the ground out which the Noble Earl per-
sisted in postponing the business on which the House,
ought now to enter, unless it were supposed that
the word " to-morrow" carried with it some
estraordinary spell, some magic charm. Yesterday
the Address was to have been moved to.morrour-r-te-
day it was to•morrow egain. On Thursday it might
still be to-morrow, and on Friday it might be found
that two days would fortunately intervene. Thus
the measure might be postponed until Ministers were
fully prepared to come to a vote. Ilia Noble Friend
had objected to certain words in the Address he bad
moved. The way to care that was to propose an
amendment. Ile might move that the words he dis-
liked' should be omitted. It was, however, very ea-
traordinary that his Noble Friend should suppose,
that the bare act of praessing soy virtue was a proof
of the want of it. But his Noble Friend had not
taken his opposition to the Amendment on i suffi-
ciently large scale. He seemed to have forgotten
that the Address also spoke' of the seal, attach-
Meld, and loyalty of the House. Nay, his'
N,ble Friend bad but a few days ago agreed to
an Address to the Crown on the marriage of the
Princess Elizabeth, in which these sentiments were
expressed, sue never intimated that tbst Address was
soliamed as to throw a suspicion of disloyalty on the
majority of their Lordships. Did his Noble Friend
suppose that these were not the sentiments by • hicb
the Lordships were usually governed ? But where
was the disrespect, as he bad framed his motion ? It
would appear on the ',small+) that on a certain tiny


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a single Yeer had proposed that a motion fpr Ad-
drew should lOischerged. On looking atlete.Jour.
noa;vht, Crinta would And, 4ligt the House bad ni-
bbled tlifiii)iopekion, and had toted the_44dress.
TheiPCIWWn, cnnyincrif, would- graciously
ovtlitinoliNlke disloyalty of thi. Peor,and would never
seek to know his nest.—LLauerterj—Thvigurogs

would prevent thasii front making• who he was. They
would say tin" 'did not wish to' lbsew_whn.thtdis•
affected patina was who had refugia an Affniesicat-the
Throne On such en occasion. The Sovereign would
doubles. east a veil of oblivion over the transactlint :
Anti if information were offered to be given lilia on
the subject, he would reject, or act as Pompey did
*ben he destroyed the papers found in the camp of
Sartorius. If, however, the Noble Secretary of State
world, after all, promise to agree to the amendment
te4abrroir, he would now agree to his motion for dis-
•eitarging the order. •
The /fosse then divided, when the nimbus were,
'for the amendment.
Contents . . . 12
N on-cooteitts • . 51
elaj..rity . —39
The Marquis of DOW Nilll RE moved fora re.
turn of the incomes of the Dukes of Clarence, Kent,
Cumberland, Sussex, and Cambridge, from military,
naval, or civil app.uintments ; also of all pensions rir
other allowances, as well as grants from the Droits,
or any other sources. since 1800.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL objected only to the
terms of the motion, but bad no hesitation in
acceding to give the substance of the inform-
ation required. lie particularly objected to the
term " sources."
After some discussion, in which Earl GaoAvcnon.
the Marquis of LANSDOWBE, and the Marquis of
DOWNsIIIRE chiefly participated,. a new motion: was
proposed, worded in a different manner, when the
Bishop of PETERBOROUGH objected is IS, as being
altogether rlisre•pectful mud indelicate.
Lord'KENYON thought the naval and military
emoluments ought lobe omitted.
After some further conversation, in which Lard
HoLLARD and the Marquis of LANSOtriVaijoined, the
;Earl i.f LIVERIPoOL again expressed hifieediness to
give tbe information required ; and the motion was
left to stand over till to.morrow.
BANK OF ENGLAND.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE rose, in porroance
of his notice, to more for an account of the Some ad-
vanced to the Government by the Bank of England,
including the Sums now outstanding in Exchequer
Bills and other Government securities. The Noble
Lord alluded to the Committee of that House, which
had formerly enquired into the affairs of the Bank,
and the information they had obtained respecting the
advances of the [link on Government Securities,
which had induced Parliament to impose certain re-
straints upon them. It was necessary that similar
information should now be obtained, for the pOrpolle
of enquiring how far the interruption of cash pay•
omits had depended upon •such proceedings. He be.
Sieved that if four millions had been refunded to the
Bank at the commencement of the year, the present
difficulty had not been experienced. The Noble
Earl then concluded with moving—
" TAM there be laid befige e Horee pa Heenan, of the total
amours' oral. advinfrf m alt try the MIL Y of Engiusod to the
Goverstrnesis. itirluthi.g all Bums slow o:morwhing upon F,sehe.
quer !sins or DOC, Gt.% ...Hymen. uri,te,."
The Eat I of Li V ERPOOL said, that of all the'
motions for information made this Session by the
Noble Earl,ltte present was the only one to which he
had made any opposition, nor should have done so in
the present iustance, did he not feel the extreme im-
propriety of exposing the private concerns of the
Batik. With respect to the former purt of the mo-
tion, namely the advances of the Bank to the Govern-
ment, be could have no unwillingness to accede to
it ; but the latter. part proceeded too far when it re-
quired to know how the Bank had employed its own
money in the market. The (louse bad no more right
to know that than to learn the private affairs of any
individual in the country.
Lord HOLLAND said, there was no propriety in
the illustration used by the Noble FArl, for place any
individual in the country in the same situation with
the Bank of England, he would contend for the right
of Parliament to enquire into the manner of em-
ploying his money. if au Act of Parliament were
passed for enabling him to avoid paying his debts, it
would be perfectly just in Parliament to enquire how
he was laying out his mousey.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE, in reply, said,
that his reason for desiring to kuow how much of
the money of the Bank was laid out in Exchequer
Bills was, that such a anode of employing its money
had beets prohibited by Act of Parliament. At least,
no Exchequer Bills could be taken directly by the
Bank front the Treasury, but es far as the resump-
tion of Cash-payments was concerned, be could see
no difference between them and those which the
Bank might purchase for its notes in the market.
The motion was negatived without a division.
The House then adjourned. •

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
An account was ',resented of the Dishorsensents of the Com-
missioners for tier Reduction of the National Debt, from 511 t of
tktubcr, 1815, to the sth of February, 1815.
Sir C. KU KEE I,L presented a Petition from Ibe Wool-
growers of the South Downs in Sussex. praying that a Duty
may he laid upon the impomationmf Wool. and also praying an
enquiry into the -object.—Laid on the table.
her. C. KU FLER presented a Petition from the Parish of St.
John, in Kilkenny, praying for the repeal of the Hearth•tax,
together with certain other Asses-ed Taxes.— Laid on the table.
ATLK COMPANIES.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said be held in his hand a Petition
from certain Inhabitants of the Parish of St. Marple-nonne,
praying that they might be allowed to erect Water-works for
the supply of their own psti ish. Ile was it:di/red t.i take up this
mutt.. its consequence of the interest be took in a Bill which
was introduced into Parliament in the last Session. called the
Paving of the Metropolis Bill. Originally. be said, there were
but onc or two Water Companies in the metropolis; but on se-
count of the vast increase of population, a variety. of M titer
Companies applied to Parliament to be incorporated. These
Companies hail endeavoured to tinder:ell each other, some of
them ()erring to stqoply their water at Ws. and others= low fib
ss. per quarter. The conseqrsence had been, that the had been
so depressed in their financrs,that scone of theta had been obliged
to stop their works, and leave the Public without anv water
at all. At length the Companies had carved out -distinct
portions of the metropolis firr themselves, and by that means
man) of the inhabitants were Rot supplied with water, and
the Compauirs hod imposed as high a rate as possible.--
Under these cir.lialsonices. it ..a. Ms wish to mike it certain
maximata of rate beyond which they (mold not go ; and he was
also peculiarly tlkie's. that a re erse should be atatle In case of
fire. It was a Wnentahleicircuorstm.ce. that. at the fire which took
place sit or seven weeks ago in the Strand. no fewer than se. en
Ines were lost t and that far the space of a whole hoar water
hnyo:!iblc to lac obtain d. Ile nos drsiroas, therefore,