The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-02-13 00:00:00

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thif of detaching thecpibiie fbrce fortibjecta 'kid
• shey must have knows: to bn utterly-No*lm 4 and i
which fact svaamadafltident to the Commander in
Chief very sboitly icier his arrival' in the Scheldt.
Ile was a.ware,that Xiitisters might object to the
pi °decant* of those documents for which heshould
now more, list Their publicity might giro impro-
per information to flu! enemy ; but he could not
conceive that any docinneut on the subject, which
could now be laid before that House, could Atli
the enemy more than they knew already. What
be wishell to ask of Ministers was, the production
of any plan or plans they hod received, shoring
the state of Antwerp and Fort Lille, with the coo-
dition and extent of their respective fortifications ;
aud the ..ohs!atice of such iufertnation otherwise
as they hail received on the subject, previously to
tbo sailing of the Expedition. lie (lid not ask to
learn the sources of their information, but merely
the facts. As yet, the house bad no information
on this point. Thu Ministers had loaded the ta.
ble w►th a variety of papers, none of which 'threw
any light Upon the subject, but were merely
tended ►o confuse the Members.

Clh CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER
opposed the Motion as premature and unnecessary
iss tlse present stage of the business. The House
had-already that all documents of a se-
cret nature sheeldbe referred lb the consideration
of a Se. ret Committee, already appointed, and
whew duty it would be to report such matters as
they judged fit to be made public. If, when that
Committee should make their report, the Ucusc
*horde deeni hither information necessary, they
might call ori••thelr Committee ta make a more
detailed report, and move for any further docu.
went* they Might judge necessary. He concluded
by moving the previous questjen. • •
Sir JOHN • NEWPORT said, hescould see but.
one motive fur withholding the information, and
that was, nut to keep knowledge from the enemy,
but to ',non! from Parliament facts indispensable,
informaline
-Mr. 'YORKE supported the argument of Mr.•
INecey'ae. He did; not know whether Minister,
. were fossei,led of any particular plan of Ant-
. every. They might, ..r they- might not. ,He {lf.
- tbtriningined they had none more partisular than '
Oat which' was many years extant, and accessible
to every oleo at every moodier's.
• General :I'ARLETON spoke iu support of the
'notion. ' •
•Mr. WHITBREAD said, if the candour and
fidelity or the Secret Committee was supposed to
La iingeeehed,' or their office anticipated, it was
tilt by the 'notion of his Hon: Friend behind him,
by, a Noble Lord (Lord Castlereagh) on
-the apposite site, wit°, on a former day, moved-
f sr the sisbstance ef the inforination received from
liotterdain. Thu Right Hou. Gentleman oppo-
site to him (Mr. Yore) needled to shako hi.
Amid when # Alen wks mentioned.; and if he could
skew any isferenee from this, it seemed to imply
sten Miseleters ' had no plan : and, indeed, the
ar4lst• Hon. Gentlettuus referred Members to the
stev'for plans accessible to any
.body. ll%t
biro-
a tf h •Iseved the truth to be, that Ministers really
14. l plea: bet they did not clime to.aeknow.
foet -that must teed directly le their own
•ishulptition. .
lie:- HUTCHINSON pledged himself to prOve
041 ill .et,ere-, in rending Off this Expedition, had
sefe I under the grossest igituran4 of the state and.
igeoech of Antwerp.
I. eel PORCIMSTER Wished that the duce.
Inept. Owned fur should be laid epee the, table,' in
eke,leitiedantes ; and if it sliourd appear they
war, st a stern nature, they should be sealed up,
slilleUt'oatiliiCiouscreet ebeu°t ainuelitrtiest. u.lt olifetiwieasm;ohtioow;
s-
ti mertivited at the resistance given to it by the
.P4/0.11401. Geotieetan ; as he had no doubt the
Information required must be ultimately given.
*suer .1 few words from Mr. Windham and the-
Cliancellnr of 'the Excle-Nuer, the previous clues.
gun• wai put and carried. •
Sir SAMURI. ROMILLY brought up the
Bills, which n, obtained leave to bring in on 's
feerner night, fur repealing And *mewling the sets
of -William 111. Queen Anise, and Geuree 11. re.
lathe to the vaisia:..nentur the. crime of privately
stealing is d,reltliee:houses,.shoi;s, barges, or
vessel, uu the riser. IL• begged leave to take
that opportunity c ,rrocting a mistatement
which helmd made on a former ate:islets, relative
to the gaunter of convictions which ILO taken
plate in Mirlillturx and Leieltei in a cei tain period.
Friss the returns before tile/louse, it appeared
Oat there were two statements of the number of
'parsons convicted, one fur a period of seven
years, -fur Middlesex and London, and the other
• foe—feere- • yeeree-fer • Englatni mid Wales: '
numbers inseamd in the former statement amount.
ed .in Ibl3' convicted of stealing in dwelling.
Louses, -and 859 for stealing in shops.' Ile bad
. out been much amiss, therefore, in what he had
said on the former occasion, as only one out of
_ she number hail beers otecuted. Before he should
.propose the second reading of the gills which he
then brought in; it was his intention, to bring for.-
wird a prop:Akins- respecting 'the traniportatioe
of .convicts.
'u se gills were then severally read I first time,
. and °Meted to be read a sedune time ou Mosiday
• nest. The Bills wore also ordered to be printed.
%Mr. Secretary RYDER presented -certain pa.
• pert reihtive to thu ‘Yaleheren Expedition, per-
. ening ee•Addreases of the House, which were or-
dered to lie on the Table. .
. SUPPRESSION OF SINECURE OFFICES.
Mr. FULLER, is rising to mike tho Motion
of which he had gives- notice, relative to Sinecure
kit it impassible 0) impress the House
snore siroegly: bilk the necessity of adopting it,
-than by quoting a Soap Cram the works of that
great law authecity, Lord Hale. The Honours.
• Velldember then -Stead an extract front the work
I• to toddle eo. referred,- ;ha which slot only con.
demised the-practice' or granting such offices, but
wouteeessed • the partftelar offices -Co-improperly
- gifested. ' Ott observed that tech offices were a-
, • elser ,neoessety or nut necessary. If not neceaisa—
[' .ry, why should they 'be continued if ne.t
try, was it to be cupposed that.such a idea Ai
.11,41 would halo so camas!), ststod his

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