The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-05-23 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS, MAT 22.
Lord Ellenboreach tweepled the Woolsack in lice of the
Lord CharieeMor. woo is lattivioeil.
The Irish Gauls Coatraet Rill was brought ep from the Gma-
moos.
Mr. Firdayson presented from the Admiralty a retina of the
cmootemeni of ships sent to Aateties within the 'co 11114.-.-
Ordered to lie on the table.
Eirt STANHOPE presented a Petition from form person in-
terested in the Hehione Election MlL—Referred to the Com-
mittee open the said Bill.
MESSAGE FROM THR RRGENT.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL presented a Message
from the Prince Regent (for a Report of which see
Commons).
The Message being read, The Earl of LIVER-
POOL moved that it should be taken into considera-
tion to-morrow.
Earl GREY said that he did not mean to oppose
the motion, but be could not help expressing his
opinion that more time should be allowed for the
consideration of the important question to which it
referred, before the House was celled upon to de-
cide, than the Noble Lord seemed disposed to grant
—and ;his Huse appeared the more meeempary as the
paper cmme-,..r.1 with the Treaty, epos% which the
Rouse on- to decide, had not yet been laid. before
it, as, am others, the copy of the overture from
the present alder of France was not yet forthcoming.
With regard to practice, he observed, that the pre.
cetterns fur considering the Messages from the
Crown on thaday after their presentation were by no
means so uniform as the Noble Secretary professed
to think. The Noble Earl concluded with expres-
sing a wish tO Allow hi what state. the country was to
be considered at present—whether in a state 'of war
or not —or whether hostilities had yet actually corn.
tieticed ?
Tbe Earl of. LIVERPOOL stated. that the papers
alluded to by the Noble Earl were about to be de.
livered, and that it was his . wish, according to his
Natation, that the subject, to which they referred
sliiiiild be.takeis into consideration to-morrow. With
respect to the Noble Earl's questiou, be (Lord L.)
had to reply, that this Message was a step towards
the. utodeltaking of hostilities,. but that no embargo
had.)et been ordered, nor had any letter of marque
ygl.beeu issued, nor had any proceeding of hostility
woolly taken* place. He should, however, deceive
the Noble Earl tied the [louse, if he did not say that
this Message was a step towards hostility,
.the actual
commencement of which would be determined by
considerations of general expediency, but yet this
was to be regarded as a Message of War, and the
Address which he meant to move would import an
approval orstitat war.
.Eart.GREY enquired when those papers would
preseoted, cud whether the ratification of Austria
had yet been received ?
The FAA of LIVERPOOL, answered, that the
ratification of Austria lied not yet been received, but
repeated his assurance that that ratification had taken
place. .Wit.h. regard * the other part of the Noble
Eafi's question, he stated that the papers alluded to
were at the door ready to be delivered.
The motion was agreed 'to.
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stare the Rouse. filtNP do- ter Info such enangementsegaiiiit the common end to as lisle
retire ~taut a s strut or bleb ex teheneetig,l4.l4
d necessary to enable the House Pr' v'm Ike 3 I -
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roportant subject announced for tHoilsteßlaramai
ipiaitlhbnet.i. with the rare and Pet Sal tif gitri.pe.
ordered Copses of the Ttentlev C 4
yr, and therefore be required them
tiudeclowyith the Alit,. to he trod be.tre the flow. for-rtelic-
Winisters. . foremlim ; nod be confidently relies upon the molotirt of oh •• 4 VERPOOL conceived thkt the faithful CAIIIIIIIIMC, t..e..able him to will, the otirtbitehrts 'here-
t be justified, either upon any in emararted, and to take such step,, in r njuo..i..n with his •
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rinciple of argument, that the al. Aiileg, as ma, he lull,pen-ilily necrotbr of this important
tions of Cottgress in the first or, nisi'''
aplied their ratification, or pease, Lord CASTLEREAG II ;booed, that tke Mesa
y consideration of these stipule, sage shouhl he t:lkett lute consideration w te.w row..
ition fixed for discussion to.milr, Mr. PON4ONRY said, fie ahl hot rise with did , is
a the state of the case? A negn. , intention of opposing the Motion of the Nahl#
!iced at Vienne, which, if bona- I Lord, but merely to call the ittentin• of the 11.,,5el
Teed from Elba, would hate still I to what he tonsidered as the Very may period tired .
tin points were decided, and was I fpr taking the Messegelitte‘cousideratron. In otaii4
usual or irregular in the pledge i tiery cases, he knew it was the practice of Pitreiament i
cerned Would support their deal-1 to vote an Address It, a Message Front the Crthvii.
It the engagements referred to in ion the ensuing day; hut he bolieeett there w:. lts
distinct from the question which ; institute, at least his memory did soot furnish bun
called upon to consider to-mot., 1 with tote, in which Parliattieut *as called open Id
oments, indeed, would, as he bad `express its opinion upon the Treaties ronsmunicattd
ii no degree upon that question to it the very day after they trete laid, Oen OW
to a concert for a different par.' table, and especially where they had tit *me Laid. I
m of to•morrow, it was in fad' sums of money in ConsequenCe of ihwooto 'treaties.
to pledge the House to any ap. : He really thought that more than 21 hairs. were ilea
ceedings of Congress, but to sup-: cessary to enable the House to form • correit4ydir ,i
his purpose of resisting the corn- ment before delivering its sentiments, • • t..
suction with his Allies—to con- I Lord CASTLEREAGH contended. 114 t
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y and neeessky of opposing hi*, entirely consonant. to Hwy predict et Pernerneet,
: of France. With respect to even on the most grave and important questions, to
Aof formal accession on the part ,' vote an Address to a Message from the Crowtt.the
the treaty before the House had day subsequent to that Message being sent down.—; • . .
Majesty's Ministers, and as to I With respect to the subsidiary provision which the, ' • -
city of the conduct of Minlsterellouse would be called Ilion to make, in aortae. .. .
eminting persons to reside at the :libellee of the TI o ,aties)aid before it. that certainly ,
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such ambiguity could be fairly would not come within the pnrvieve of the vote
wingiele of the Allies stood upon) which it would be his duty 'to propose. tni.sticikrosts .
lands. It was not their object 'He should reserve that branch of the orpiment tor t
of Government to France; bat : subsequent day. As to thegeneral seem of the vote '; '
id for the restoration of the legi- ' wllich he meant to propose, he trusted he ailtrilid. be
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thit country, as the beat means: able to satisfy the House, that' he did rtot ilk them
and permanent peace; and for' fur any opinion which they were hot folly cotapetent
pat end they were pledged to co• Ito give from the informatiori• before them ;,eti4 lost . . ~
in limits. For they did not In- i hoped, therefore, they woeld, not think it, neceosary
terfere with the exercise of the in this instance to depart hankie,* had trills. the
iation to choose its own Govern-1 usual arrangement, or hesitate tes.slf.A. •Crroliet
re they were not bound to i support to the Crown which, the t,:as
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en his restoratioh to the Throne, l crisis demanded. , v. , , • a
.be French people. I Mr. PONSONBY replied, that. 011,floqsli era '
BUCKINGHAM said, that al— distinctly to be eilled upon far
sae Opihinn er . re-
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t bat regret that a consideration i' spect to certilin Treaties whielt-wei .-tf he ,1• . be:.
's of Congress had been necesia. i fore them only tweitty.fonr houei'iosee - la
• mixed with the discussion of the such a vote, and he certainly considered •
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for to•morrow, through the eit. ' rat too brief. In the case of the Crown. ..4cint ,
ction of the Treaty before the ' war, for example,, and concludik '4' al'
,;••4/eittt •
ill. consent to withdraw his mo• other Powers, its-COucurrence with Who
~. Ow veer
Istaliding already alluded to.— , was to he carried nn, a coriontioirwe *l7lod lid
hdrawn. , made to that house, and all that .(lieo;ipse nOhltl
,LE proposed to 6z for Wednes- be called upon to do, would he barely folholift putt! ~..
rag of the Bill for rendering Free Crown for the communical ion., bo‘ tiet, he apple. . .
ct to the payment of Simple Con. hended; to come to any opinion iditnediatety upon
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fter a few words from Lord El- the nature of the treaties, or the policy or justice of
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idea was withdrawn, in conse. the war: He could mention one. very sieving instates ~ . .1,.
sposition of the Lord Chancel- ,in point. . At the time when an appsireti•ot wagtails '
'to the House for money to *twist
.ilictlessl4. ' or ^i......
op epos Lord Resebeery's DL. , seven days passed :before,tiaa:E. ' say
pored, upon the motion of the answer to that application. ln fart, the did' wet be.
en, after a few words from Lord ! lieve that the Noble Lord could produce a Tingle in.
Ise upon upon Christie's Divorce Bill,
"stance where the opinion of Parliametit was given .o
ord Montfort. hastily as on the succeeding day, upon common'. 'vs
cations of the kind now under consideration. the. „ . .
Noble Lord said, the House were substaniially in ,
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•,, possession of all the information contained in the . :
papers which were ordered to be communicated; but
to Stamp O 119& presented an ac- • • • .
i that was not the case. Our Government had an. •_
rat of Stamp Duties upon' Pam-
nexed a Declaration to the Trelty of the 25th of ' ..
314. ' . ' I March, which was sent to Vienna for the *pp. , . .
IS moved that_the Clacktnannan I bation of the Sovereigns there, and ae m
Mi. Pon- • . .
committed. ' I sonby) was ignorant, for one, bow that Deciata. ' -1
briefly adverted to the highly die- i thou was received. There was another:poilit.whick
ich the Gaol. of Scotland are, .he wished to mention :—IIe had observed, front
of conveniences for the. prison. i what
1, and the infliction of severe pa Wive passed in another place, that the papers re.
as, he was informed, a - toile overture made by F vice to this country
mode of , were to be laid before the House that day. Those
opted by chaining persons to the ' papers had been sent by the Noble Lord to Vienna,
anted almost to torture; and he for the purpose of receiving the sentiments of the •
y for such abuses ought to be: Allies upon them; and what their sentimenti were,
lent. If only one half the atten- i It appeared to him,
he certainly did not know.
le general management and regu. therefore, that there were solid and serious ob. • .
hich was given to the nomination I
• jections against bringing the House to an opinion so .
:ers, or of persons appointed to early as the ensuing day.
purpoies, there would not be so I Lord CASTLER EA GII said, that the vote which
sex of complaint as now unhap- .he intended to pro,mse might be jewel simple thanks ' , ' •
I for the Message from the Crown, orft might be one
iS said he willingly admitted that
•i of a different description ; tat
,tie 'was decidedly of 1, . .
in Scotland were liable to many! opinion that it would be more cbrvers• lent to trim it •
it within these few years five or' to-morrow, than to go into it by anticipatioti, by '
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?en erected in different counties, `discussing a question which was not now before them. ' . •
a far as he knew, no compiaintsi With respect to the ii.formatinn which thiss„Rik;fit
I Hon. Gentleman selmed to think necessarf-bt4oll ,
explained. 1
1 the. House could exercise a Foetid judgmeutatreo the .
nerved, that at Glasgow all the • sobjdct, he had received the commands cdttel,elece
' the Hen. Gent. were removed Regent to fay Wore 64 Ileuse nil time papetirtisat 1
id been erected at the expence of could be necessary. Anmeg those papers would be .
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found a dispatch from (surd Claw-arty, coturnoni. .
her conversation between Mr.: eating the manner in whieh the overture froth ijona.
W. Wynne, and Sir G. Clerk,; parte to' this country was received at Vienna, also
ted, and the Report ordered tri--jhe overture itself, and the lufigment proiseunced
SW. liven it by the Anita, Sovereign,. -iktrusted, there-
,TON presented Petitions froth': fore, that the Right lion. Gentleman and the Rouse,
gland, praying for a repdal• 4
_pvtienthey had exandoed those pipers, would he sa.
ch were ordered to lie oh the-, IMO that every means had been afforded for emi.
1. ' ifiling :hetoto-form a curtest and decisive opinion. •
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MBIE said, the " me' -11nderl ' Mt. WHITI3I EA D !said, that es an'actof cOurtesy
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,ny other Petitions on the -rbati,7 it troahi itire Aweu expected (rota the
p !dibble Lord
jest in view as those just Pm:. *haf...he wmd4 base 4iven some btoll as 'to the nature
be known by the Petitioners rite, efljte.‘„te he meant to propose xis the House to.
e Session it was net to •btr volr'iroontrst„,,i hue the %hole strain of the Noble Lord's
aid proceed to revile or .iePOI obi‘rviii.cm were, as usust,• ambisionus ; nor could
i that subject. . '
.t_ lbef(Mr.i.. W.) infer from the Message, which was
MNO ssid'a few words in rein ' sapally attbleunes, whether the con•llry, et shies
ibhe in the Gallert. • - intent, era) to be considnred as 41 a 5!:it,....1 war,
REGENT'S MESSAGE. ' ' ' .nriii) thit cinPlition of armed peace in which ;shad
KAGII appeared at thee. liar --.4,sbeii;,,fay ."„ e time pail. Now, with regard to time
lessage from his Royal Highness 4100 A 4s hands of the N„hie Lord, which he
:, whieh 'being brought up; the 1)3 .4
represented 's' containing the fullest information thut
to read it to the. nom- .11N'''colifit be i eildred.upon all the points connected with
stance:— i - ' ' • . • - •
. . this hopqtaptinestion,• lie had been informed, fluty ,
! . b►•"' "11'0' "1-otl4. a feti liars sin!. .that Op. Noloie I. rd was not in
v "4'4 i° the name' fad "lb ~ , . nosk.sristi of ratification of the Treaty by all
it right t. ;stoma the Gloswetotinor..4l* -•: . . p.' '
the Viten o a 'Probably in the interval be. t
Cr of the ...eats which lama mentlyittaigli •'.. , • - information,
his lretervings that and the mo.
reel eMorterentf,m Of the Tteatles i.iAtirg, ,qi at .
g the ha„, Itree, Sums ea* mopes, he„, i menx which he was 'speaking, it might havo Hr.
croon, with lib Majessis All.!a, to ea., rued. He aliudvd to the ratification by Austria. If
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