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might not, perhaps, be devoted to that object, and
while Parliament, on the credit of a mere assertion,
voting away the public money, it might be di-
:as leed to far different purposes than those for which
it was intended; it might be used only to increase
that influence, which having been augmenting for
veers, had now grown to so enormous a height, that it
'was in vain to attempt to prune it, and the only way
to check it was to strike at the root. The Bill,
continued the Honourable Member, teems with
influence, and an influence which, if the Gentle-
men please, they may de either for or against the
Crown. With regard to the Commissioners who
were to be appointed to manage the real and per-
sonal property of his Majesty, they were and
p
obligation of an oath not to reveal any thing to Par-
liament, though they might to the Prince Regent,
and to the Queen, who is their mistress ; but to the
Parliament they may refuse any information what-
ever. And to what purpose might this private pro-
pet
w be applied? He did not mean to say it would,-
but be would ask to what purposes it might be ap-
plied? Perhaps to the buying of seats in that House,
With the intent of carrying measures, advantageous,
in a narrow point of view, to the real and personal
benefit of the King. He deprecated also, the form-
ation of a separate Court; •f the Queen's Court,
which might act in opposition to the Ministers ap-
pointed by the Prince Regent, and who would, of
course, be the legitimate servants of the Crown.—
With regard to the money part of the present Bill,
he thought the Exchequer :Annuity essjoyed. by the
Prince, as Prince of Wales, ought to merge alto-
gether in the revenues of the Civil List. Much had
been said about the 50,0001. which the Prince had
,ireit in aid of the Civil List. But where was this gift
to be found? Had itbeen communicated to that House
in an official way ? Was there any record of it on
their Journals? If he looked into them when they
were made up should he find it (',Pre? lie believed
he should not. lie had strong objections to the prin-
ciple of the Bill ; and before he could consent to the
Speaker's leaving the Chair, there were many things
which he hoped to hear explained. In the course of
the last feW days papers had been been laid upon the
table, containing accounts of certain expenditure ;
but those very accounts needed explanation in his.
opinion. All these items which regarded Sir Sidney
Smith, the Marquis Wellesley, &c. might, no doubt,
be satisfactorily accounted for ; he had no doubt
they might : but as yet they had not been ' • and he
was of opinion that the only place in which the ne-
cessary enquiries respecting those items could be made
was a Committee above stairs, where also, and
where only, those enquiries could be answered. At
all events, therefore, he wished the postponement of
this question.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER be-
gao by observing, that the Right lion. Gentleman
(Mr. Tierney) had appeared to impute to him a desire
I withhold from the House the necessary informa-
tion on the subject; and the lion. Gentleman who
had spoken last (Mr. Whitbread) had conceived him
to be unwilling to make those explanations which ap-
peared to him so important. He did not conceive
that those imputations were merited ; and he would
assure the Right Hon. Gentleman and the lion. Gen-
tleman, that his only reason for not Tieing earlier in
the debate was, that he wished first to hear the sen-
timents of Gentlemen on the other side, and to un-
derstand on what grounds they opposed the Bill. He
was glad to have had the opportunity of hearing the
Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, before he delivered
his sentiments on this question. Having now heard
him, he must say, that his having fallen into a great
misconception (in which he was set right by his
own friends) appeared to him a very strange
.reason for requiring a much more extended en-
quiry upon this subject. lie had waited to hear
the sentiments of different Gentlemen on the op-
posite bench, because lie wished to know whe-
ther they meant to oppose the Bill in its principle
or in its details. It appeared, however, that the
whole question was this,—whether the nature of the
arrangement now proposed was or was not of such a
description, as that the House could not he satisfied
in its decision without a more detailed statement ?
As to the question of the ,Household, lie thought
that it would be sufficient for the present, if he could
convince the House that nothing more was asked
than what was reasonable, and in all probability ne-
cessary. If the House should see nothing unreason-
able or objectionable in the sum proposed for this
purpose,all the other questions which had been start-
ed to-night might be discussed and disposed of on
some future occasion. The Right. Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Tierney) had shewn such a distrust and disbee
lief of the accuracy of all estimates presented to the
House, as to say that he did not know how to be.
here that 500001. a year less than the usual amount
of the Civil List could be sufficient for the Prince.—
if, then, he supposed that the sum proposed was
too little, he could hardly agree with the lien. Gen-
tleman who spoke last (Mr. Whitbread), who appear-
ed to think it too much, and who therefore wish
for a very detailed statement before he could agree
to it. As to the expences of the Lord Steward's de-
partment, it must be recollected, that if any arrears
were due and paid out of the current expences, this
would make t hi current espences appear greater than
they really were. As to the grants to foreign Minis.
tern, the Hon. Gent. had only professed to speak ge-
nerally, although he had dwelt at some length on
grants to certain individuals. It would certainly, se'
first sight, appear somewhat unaccountable, that
larger sums should be greeted thin at a time whets
we had more Ambassadors at Foreign States.—
The fact was, that it was not in salaries that those
ayments had been made, but in remunerations for
losses upon the missions which it was necessary to
send out. Lately, instead of regular Ambassadors,
many special missions bad been sent out to foreign
parts for a short time. For those missions there had
been no regular salary given, bat a mere indemnifi-
cation for the expences of the outfit, and of the
mission. As to the Marquis Wellesley, be never
received a single farthing of the public money in
the way of salary for his mission to Cadiz; the
Sam which he had received was in the way of re-
Payment_ for expences incurred by !him k.poa that
fassiou. The necessary expeuces of the outfit
for •
persons going on a mission fora short time.
were much greater in proportion than those incurred
for a longer time. As to the item mentioned as a
Payment to Sir Siihtey Smith) he conceived that sub-

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ject had already been very sufficiently explained.— tleman who spoke last, who seemed 'always to Ministers bad thought it their duty to Wy before
What was the nature of this payment? It was no- I consider whatever he (Mr, Perceval) had to pro- , the Regent on this subject, as to induce hire to change
thing more than a remuneration for money expended i pose as decidedly wrong and objectionable. That ; these Ministers. In a constitutional 'point of view,
a long time ago in the service of his country, in Honourable Gentleman had asked.—What ! appro- :it was incumbent on the House to s ippose, that the
Egypt and Syria. This subject, however, had been priate so large a sum out of the Prince's Exchequer ; whole awangement was previously submitted to hit
taken up in two very opposite points of view. Some Income as 70,0001. to the payment of engagements Royal Highnesse and had obtained his approbation.
Gentlemen thought that it was a great reproach to of which the politic knew nothing? Now, really i Had not that [loyal Personage as much authority in.
Government that a debt of this nature should have if lie (Mr. P.) had proposed an enquiry on the part ' his own councils as he could have ? It was an idle
been so long due; white others thought that the pre- of the House, into those engagements of honour to recurrence, then, to the declamations of last year,
sent Bill should be stopped, in order w enquire into which he had alluded, he entertained little doubt, .to represent Ministers as actuated by distrust and
this item. As to the first objection, he would oh- but that the Ilon. Gentleman and his friends would ; suspicion. upon the whole, be (Mr. P.) had felt,
, serve, that although no praise was too high which have asked,—Was it fair to bring them before Par- I that by taking the course he proposed, the House
had been given to the merits of that distinguished liament, without its making any provision for their, would best consult the honour and personal accom-
, officer, yet when it was recollected that the greater payment? The lion. Gentleman would probably ! modation of the Regent. Had it been proposed,
part of those accounts must necessarily be vouched have declaimed still more loudly against this treat- that the whole of the Civil List, and the controul of
by himself, and that he hid been absent for a long meet, as ungenerous ; particularly when a Commis-, the Household, should be given to the Prinee, that
time in the service of his country on foreign stations, sion, acting under Parliamentary authority, had de- !he (Mr. P.) would probably have been told that he
it was not wonderful that the account was not sooner dared, that the creditors in questitie had no legal had some sinister object in view,—that he meant to
settled. But as to the second objection, he must ask, claim. Upon the whole, then, he thought that the lie by, and see how those duties were fulfilled-, is
was it rational that a proposition, which had for its way he bad proposed was precisely that in which the ; order to have some ground of attack,—that, in short,
object merely the making a suitable provision for the House could most consistently with themselves dis- :he was actuated by the wish of placing the Prince in
care and atteudance of the person of the King, du- pose of this part of the subject. The Right Honour- an invidious situation. On the prese it, however,
ring his illness, should be stopped for such an ob- able Gentleman who opened the debate had asked,— ias on every Other occasion, he bad the satisfaction of
jection ? " Oh! don't go on with the Bill! (says whether there were to be two Privy Purses, one be-' feeling, that he had proposed the arrangement
the lion. Gentleman) because I see an item of 70001.; longing to his Majesty,' and the other to the Re. which appeared to him the most expedieet and it
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paid to Sir S. Smith, as a remuneration for money ex.! gent? To this he would answer, certainly, it was i would be for the House to decide on es merits. But
pended by him in Syria and Egypt. Let no carelw 'so intended in the Bill. The Honourable Gentle.; the Right Hon. Gentleman had also stated, that
provision be made for the Royal Person, until I man seemed to signify his approbation of this part.' placing the Royal Household ander thecnntroul of the
curbs into the details of this item ; of the ac- of the arrangement; and he had only to repeat witbdeQueen, was in fact forming a second and ti rival
curacy of which 9 however, I have no doubt.—This I regard to it, that it was intended the King's privy t Court, to which disappointed seen would naturally I
was the argument upon which the Honourable Gen- ; , purse should baelejecit to the usual charges upon it, retreat.- and which world]soevew theta. a- *Hying
tie wished to stop the progress of tEtißillr; and and aiscThetir expences of medical attendance.— point for annoying the Regent's Government.. !gnat,
yet the lion. Gentlentan who wished to stop the ; He would now shortly advert to the subject of an however, was to be the composition of this great
progress of the Bill, in order to enquire into items establishment for the Princesses. The Right Hon. and formidable Court ?---Why, four Bed-chamber
like these, had passed a fine eulogiuns bn the honour Gentleman had represented him, as if he had stated, Lords, the Groom of the Stole, and, to add to the
I and character of Sir Sidney Smith, which, as he said, that when the Princesses were in town, then they ; dangerous list, all the Pages ! [et laugh.] iris
j required explanation on these subjects. It appeared were to be at the charge of the Prince Regent; and was to be the formidable retreat, which, it Was as-
to him that a very sufficient explanation had been gi- when at Windsor, then they were to live at the ex. sumed, that he had provided for himself ; and leech
ven, when it was said, that the sum of 70001. had been pence of the Queen. Now he had never proposes was, in all events, to secure him such a mighty In.
granted as an indemnification for money expended by ; any such arrangement; neither had he received, in tlueuce !—This idea was really too ridiculous for
Sir Sidney Smith in the service of his country ; and his official capacity, any commands on the subject any serious consideration. 'lke truth was, that in
although too much Gould not be said of the merits from his Royal Highness the Prince Regent. It cer. no other way could the attendance on his Ma-
of that gallant Officer, yet the subject appeared to tainly appeared desirable, however, u .der all the jesty be called a Court, but inasmuch as it was
have been introduced merely to increase the effect circumstances, that some new arrangement should placed about the person of the King. There was
of the Honourable Gentleman's declamation, and be made for them ; and when the present measure nothing dangerous or formidable iii what he pro.-
improve his periods, as there was no reason to doubt was deposed of, that might be a fit subject of consi- ; posed. Parliament had, years ago, given a sepa-
of the account n tech had been already given. The dere:ion for the House. It must naturally occur to rate establishment and a Court to the Prince of
sum that had been voted to Mr. Arbuthnot was also every one, that the state of the Princesses must be 1 Wales, and yet was not afraid cf its proving a.
given as a remuneration for property lost by him on materially altered, when they no longer enjoy the I dangerous rival to that of his Majesty. Our Con.
the precipitate retreat which he was obliged to make aid and assistance of their father ; that it, therefore, ! stitution was not, surely, so nicely ba'anced and
from Constantinople. The same principle governed became a fit subject to be brought before Parliament;' feebly supper tel, that rota. Lirds of the B d-chamber
the grants in the other instances which had been men- : and it would be for them to determine, whether any . Were to overturn it, P% en though the Fag a were ad.
tioned. It surely was aot to be expected that anyGoti. ; thing,and to whatextent,should be given the Princesses I ded to their weight ! [Laugh.] Neither in this House,
Heaven sent to a foreign court on a mission of impor- to make up for the want of that paternal assistance nor out of it, could this establishment form any obi
Lance to the interests of this country, should be al- to which they bad hitherto been so much indebted,— ject either of jealousy or inconvenience. There was
lowed to incur the risk of absolute ruin upon the ; There was one point on which the Right lion. Gen- I one observation that fell from the Hon. Gentleman
mission. If in the vicissitudes to which many of the tleman (Mr. Tierney) had laid very great stress ; and 1 opposite, that the Exchequer income of the Prince
Courts in Europe have been subjected of late years, that was, the portion of the Royal Household which : ought to be taken away, and merge in the Regency.
lan Ambassador should suffer a great private loss, he it was proposed to place under the controul of the iTo the, he would answer, that this could not be
ought to be indemnified br his country, in whose Queen. First, the lion. Gentleman objected to the I done without an Act of Parliament. Upon the
service he was. All the items which had been ob- amount of the expense with which it would he attend- whole, he trusted that the general principles on
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served upon in the course of this discussion, were , ed. In answer to this, he would only repeat what which the Bill was formed would meet the approba.
either for money actually expended, or actually lost ' he had formerly said, that it would be right for the 1 Hon of the house: and in the Committee, such al-
ou those foreign missions. In stating this, he went i House to make such a provision as would be suitable' terations might be made is the various details, as
perhaps further than was necessary. Ile had no ob- Ito his Majesty, in the event of a partial recovery, would render the whole more calculated to meet the
petiole at any future time, to have the details of)
items,which it was by no means impossible might take objects in view.
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those and every one of them, fully examined' . place. On this point, there was no necessity for ex- . Mr. A.RBCTONOT was anxious taadeirestea few
bet he thought that it was most evident that they had"! amining eke Physicians anew. It already appeared, ; words to the 'House, in consequence of what had
nothing at all to do with the present question. As . from the interrogatories put to them, that there had I fallen from an lieu. Gentleman, on the expences of
to the Commissioners for managing the Royal pro- i been intervals when his Majesty was able to enjoy I the diplomatic mission in which he (Mr. A.) had been
perty, which the lion. Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread) I conversation, though unfit for transacting business. ; employed. He felt impatient till an opportunity
bad conceived' would be such au increase of influence, ; (Mr. Tierney whispered across the table, " not since ' should arrive, when the House might go into the
he was convinced that Gentlemen could be found to 1 July last.") Certainly not ; but then there was no ; fullest examination of those accounts—[Hear !]—
accept of the situation without any salaries. The ' reason to conclude, from the examination of the Phy- IHe acknowledged his obligations to that Hon. Gen.
Right Hon. Centime's (Mr. Tierney) had conceived, ' sicians, that this state of partial convalescence would tleman, for the handsome manner in which he had
that it was a very hard matter to legislate for the never again occur, though the prospect was now less ' spoken of his character in private life; and he trust-
King's private proper, e. It, appeared to him, how. : promising. Neither from the answers of the Physi- i ed, that when the accounts in question were exam.
ever, that if Parh imeut thought it right to interfere cianseior from the general knowledge which every man , hied by Parliament, that lion. Gentleman would
about the care of the person of the King, there was a must have of this unhappy malady, was there any rea- ' have reason to think as favourably of his public con-
not much greater difficulty hi making a legislative son to despair of his Majesty having some intervals of duct. The sums of expenditure on that mission, he
provision for the care of his property. The Right I recollectionof the past,andconsciousnessof the present. acknowledged, were exceedingly large; but till the
Hon. Gentleman, however, who found it so dish- Besides, if we were at all to consider the dignity of the period of explanation came, he hoped that no un-
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cult to legislate about the private property of the King, there must at least be some degree of attend- ' generous reflections would be thrown upon his cha.
Xing, seemed to think that there was no difficulty at , ance to surround him. But the Right Hon. Gentle- ' racter.—[ Hear !]
all in taking the Privy Purse from him, and seizing; man's main objection was, that the controul was to Mr. PONSONBY denied that his, Hon. Friend
it without any ceremony at all. It was strange, that 'be vested in the Queen; and in this part of the ar- (Mr. Whitbread) had condemned any charges of exe
when there appeared such difficulty in legislative in- rah Bement, the Hon. Gentleman said, he perceived ; penditure as inordinate; his object was only to shew,
.terference to save his property from being wasted, those symptoms of deep distrust of his Royal High- 1 that the House were called upon to vote thee_ Civil
there should yet appear uo difficulty at all in inter. ness, which 'had pervaded the whole of the measures List while there was no full information before it.—
fering to take away from him the Privy Purse. Ant of last year on the subject of the Regency. But ,i
The Hon. Gentleman who spoke last had demanded
Honourable Gentleman had supposed that this private really this distrust on the part of Ministers must seem I examination into a part of the Civil List accounts,
property Was very large, and might be used in a way I entirely without object. Could any man suggest any ' and this alone was sufficient to support the ellegation
prejudicial to the interests of the country. As for his reason, why he himself in particular should feel any !of his Hon. Friend. Had the House, he would ask,
0-own part, he must declare, that he keew of no sock I distrust of the Prince Regent? He would leave it to examined evidence to shew that the Civil List should
I accumulation of private property as the Honourable Gentlemen on the other side to discover, whether any be increased ? There was no proof of any thing of
Gentleman hail supposed. It was known that his I partt of his Royal Highness's conduct towards him ; the sort before them. Though he was now able in
Majesty had purchased some private estates about was such as to excite distrust. [hear, hear!] He; some measure to understand the Right Honourable
Windsor and elsewhere, due they were by no means could conceive no possible reason why that distrust I Gentleman's plan, yet it was certainly tree, .that
of such magnitude as to justify the alarm expressed should be felt by himself in particular. But what, I when it was first broached to the House, he could
upon this occason, or to present any dancer to the ihe would ask, did Gentlemen on the other side pro- not comprehend its details. Bet In this want of corn-
Constitution. With regard to the excess of the Civil ; pose? Did they really mean to say, that the whole prehension he had a great authority and example to
List expenditure above the income, he was ready to' power of his Majesty's portion of the Household keep him in countenance, and that was no less than
acknowledge that it was a thing which Parliament ' should be left in the hands of the Prince Regent ? I the Right Hon. Gentleman himself : for it was first
ought to look to with some suspicion ; though he did I Were they prepared to say, that by so doing, ! proposed by him,• that the care iif the King's private
root see what immediate reference it had to the subject they would best consult the feelings and the per- = property shouldbe vestedin three Commissioners, with
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now under consideration. He was prepared to add, sonal comfort of his Royal Highness ? [Hear, , a salary of 10001. a year each ; but he now seemed to
however, that he meant afterwards to propose, thate I hear, hear !] It was hardly possible to conceive ; think that those Commissioners should have no salary
should the excess of the Civil List expenditure, I a more invidious and disagreeable situation than' at all, but should do their duty gratis. It was no
in any one year, amount to more than 10,0001. I that in which the conferring of such authority would wonder that the plan should appear at first incom.
then the 4ccooots forming that excess should place the Prince Regent. (Mr. Tierney here ob- I prehensible to other people, when the great author
be laid before Parliament, that they might judge served across the table, that the Queen would still, and owner of it was thus himself ignorautand uncer.
whether it Was justifiable or not. The Right Hon. as she ought, have the care of his Majesty's person.) ' tam as to its details. The Right Hon. Gentleman
Gentleman had stated other objections to the pro- Why, even to this arrangement the very same objet- had observed, that every measure, which he, as a
pissed appropriation, and particularly to the transfer tion was applicable • and had he (Mr. P.) or any of Minister of the Crown, brought down to Parliament,
of any part of the Civil List from the Executive Go- his friends proposed it, it would have been met must be supposed to have the sanction of the Prince
Vernment. In answer, he would beg leave to ob. with the same charge of implying unfounded distrust Ragent. In this doctrine he agreed, as constitu.
'serve, that the House were not now about to make of his Royal Highness ; so extremely difficult, if not tional ; and would also beg leave to add, that in the
a final arrangement for a Prince upon the Throne, impossible, was it to steer clear of the objections of performance of their duty as Members of Parliament,
but only for the period during which his Majesty's the Hon. Gent. opposite. But he would only put it it was not their business to talk of any measure as
I illness should continue. Under all the circumstances, to the good sense of the House, was it right or pro- being agreeable to the will of the King or the Re-
however improbable his Majesty's recovery might be, per that' the care of the Person should be separated gent, hut to discuss it as originating with Ministers,
It would not be correct to deal with the subject now from the controul of the Household? Was it lit that who alone were responsible. The flight Honour-
, before them, as if the House were actuated by an the Queen should have the custody of his Majesty's able Gentleman had objected, that it would be
utter despair of his Majesty returning to the Throne; person and not the controul of his servants 1— invidious to place his Majesty's portion of the
and, therefore, the House ought to keep this in Ilear!.]—No duty, he must again repeat, could be Royal Household under the Regent. But how
mind, that there was at least a possibility of his imposed on the Prince Regent more invidious, more could it be invidious, when, constitutionally
Royal Highness again returning to private life : that grating to his feelings, than the controul which speaking, the whole `mug be placed under the con-
being the case, it would be extremely inconvenient had been proposed. If the Prinee Regent thought duct of the Ministers of 'the Crown, who were re•
to break down his Exchequer income. lie bad also his Ministers were insulting and degrading him, spoasible for every act of their Master ; and sure he
stated before, that there were certain engagements of was be so limited In his functions as not to be able was that the Right Hon. Gentleman was Incapable
honour which the Prince had contracted ; and he 614111611 as them? Was It likely that, were he ac. of advising any act in respect to the King which
trusted the House would feel it but just and equitable, tuated with such feelings, he would authorise Mi- would prove injurious to the character of the Prince.
that his Royal Highness should not be made to dis- uisten is lay this arrangement before Pat*. The plain and broad principle on whica he thought
appoint any of those engagements. This appro. I meat? The House were boundlo suppose, that there the arrangements should be formed, was9 that the
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had ; and he saw no reason why he should have less.
As the Prince was to support the honour of the
Crown, it was proper that he should have all the
means of attaining that object. What did the House
know, at present, of the honourable engagements
NI, ilia rendered necessary the appropriation of
70,0001. a year on the part of the Prince?—
Were they to vote this sum without enquiry,
w hat justification of their conduct could they
give to the country ?—The constitutional way,
would have been for the Right Honourable
Gentleman to have brought down a message,
stating the demands which certain honourable
engagements occasioned, their amount, and their
nature; in which case the House would have acted
with all its wonted liberality. This plan would have
placed his Royal Highness in a far more dignified
situation in the eyes of the country at large ; and ,
never did a British Parliament feel reluctant to deal
out its pecuniary aids to the Prince, when they felt
that they could confide in-his constitutional princi-
ples. It could not be denied, that the controul of the '
King's household would be a great addition to her
Majesty's power; and there was at least a 'possibili-
ty of its being abused, while there was no responsibi-
lity to Parliament for its management. The Queen
mid already 58,0001. a year out of the privy purse,
and this controul would create a great deal of addi-
tional influence. Upon the whole, he should ♦ote
for the amendment, wliich did not go to put an end
to the Bill, but merely to postpone its consideration
till further information was obtained.

Mr. ADAM shortly supported the main principles
of the Bill, lie would not now enter into any de-
tail on the clauses which it contained, as that would
be much better done in the Committee. There was
one of those clauses, appropriating a certain sum out
of the Exchequer income of the Prince Regent, to
which he should beg leave to direct their attention in
the Committee; and he trusted, he should be able to
ahew, that the provis;on colvaiiiril in that clause was
hot only consistent with the manner in which his
Royal Highness held his }.chequer income, but that
also the appropriation of the sum in question was
Called for by the rules of justice and honour. Ile
titould vote for the Bill going into a Committee, con-
sidering it as of all other Bills the fittest to go into
that stage of its progress.
Mr. TIERNEY sail, that his lion. Friend (Mr.
Adam) must have very much mistaken him. His ob-
jeet was not, by any means, to prevent tl:e House
from going into the Committee finally.
The House then divided,
Fur the Speaker's leaving the Chair—Ayes 141—Nues 59.
The Mouse then went into a Committee on the
clausal. Oa the 2d clause, for transferring 50,0001.
of the Prince of Wales's Exchequer revenue from that
fund to the Civil List, an objection was taken by
Mr. Tierney on a point of form ; it being necessary,
as he contended, that a message should be received
from the Prince Regent, conferring away that po-
perty from one fund to the other.

- After some conversation between the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Whitbread, Mr.
Freemantle, and Mr. Ponsonhy, it was agreed that
the Chairman should report progresi, and ask leave
to sit again immediately.
The House was resumed.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
presented a message from the Prince Regent, trans-
ferring his claim on the Exchequer of 50,0001. to the
Gvil List ; for the presenting of which he declared
he had the Prince Regent's authority.
The SPEAKER explained the triage, and instan-
ced a case in 1766, when his rdnjesly wanted to
transfer some property in the 4-1 per cents. and when
the entitle now pursued was adopted.
Mr. "fIERNEY contended, that as the property
about to he transferred did not belong to his Royal
Highness as Prince Regent, but as Prince of Wales,
the message delivered did not come under the proper
denomination. The Right lion. Cent. must have a
message delivered to the House from the Prince Re-
',mit as Prince of Waies, unless he wished the Prince
Regent to give away the Prince of Wales's money.—
[4 laugh.]
The SPEAKER sanctioned the opinion of Mr.
Tierney, with this difference, that a formal message
was not necessary in such cases, but merely a verbal
declaration of any Member authorised to make it.
Mr. ADAM conceived the objection as to identilg
taken by his Right Hon. Fricnd to be rather too sub-
tle, yet he would make the declaration required.-
Ile was authorised to say, in the Prince's name, that
he gave up his claim on the Exchequer to the amouut
of 50,0001.
The Committee was resumed.

On the fourteenth clause being read,
Mr. BRANU.eaid, it was his intention to hate
moved au amendment; but ho understood his Hon.
and Learned Friend (Mr. A.) was determined to ex.
plain to the house the necessity of this clause. [That
witntling.to the remaining 71A,0001. -ef the Priam?* Ex-'
chequer Revenue being appropriated to the discharge
of his Royal Higliness's debts.]
Mr. ADAM thee rose, and said, he was ready to
redeem the pledge which lie had given to his lion.-
Friend. In the course of the debate, there had been
n deal of allusion to what, by one Right Hon. Mem-
ber, were termed the hanourable obligedions, and by ,
others the debts of the Prince Regent. Fly whatever I
denomination they were mentioned, Was of very
little importance; but what he consklered of great
importance was, the House should be in possession
Mae nature and the history of those obligations.—.
It would be in the recollection of the House, that in
1795, an act was passed putting the property of the
Prince of Wales into a certain course for the pay..
trent of his debts, and regulating that payment in a
particular manner. It was then enacted, that if a
• tradesman of the Prince should not have his
debt discharged iq the quarter immediately after
it. win eetracted, he should serve a notice of ten
days on the proper officer ; after the service
ef which that .olficer was made personally respon-
ibbt for the debt ; but if the tradesman failed so to
then there was an end of his demand. The ope-
lon of this enactment was felt•very severely by
Royal flighness ; and he found it impracticable
leal witii his tradesmen without entering into an
tdetstataling with them, that what the Act mili-
ttth agalest should be to him a matter of honour-
able contract. He hoped that tile Rouse would par-
ipa.te in the sentiment of delicacy then felt by his
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