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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

intervening fur that retries should he as shott as pos-
sible, consistently with the iaterestit of the nation;
and as by the 17th of August it would be in the power
of four of the Learned Judges to attend the House, be
wished the Bill to be read a second time on Thursday,
the 17th of August. He was aware that this was an
inconvenient season, inet considering the extreme ins-
portance of the case, he hoped that there would be
suck an attendance as would give their proper imps*
:like to the proceedings of the House; so that, whe-
ther the result of tbs.e proceedings was favourable
and honourable to the accused, or otherwise, it might
be creditable to the character of the House, and satis-
factory to the public* large. He was quite convinced
that there were no Mrs who were not willing to as-
orifice all the minor feeling's of individual convenience
to the discharge of a great and solemn duty. Be
knew that the Noble Members had claims upon the
country for a time of indulgence and recreation, after
the labours which they had undergone in the public
service, but tire urgent necessity of the case required
that such a consideration should be postponed, to the
adequate discharge of that high function which it
imperiously demanded. It was necessary that, in this
question, no Peer should, if possible, vote by proxy,
seeing that it was a question in which every Member
of the House ought to be a regular attendant, in order
to enable him to come to a correct decision, and to ful-
fil iris solemn trust in such a way as was most com-
patible with a due regard to the honour of the House
and Country, and to the claims of the Illustrious Per-
son concerned. He could not say how far his proposi-
tion would be acceptable to the other party 1 but if any
proposition was to be made by the other side, he hoped
it would be made within a few days, instead of being
started after their Lordships should have made their
arrangements for attending at the time specified, which
would ofrviate a great deal of inconvenience. His
Lordship then Droved, that the Bill to degrade and
divorce her Majesty should be read a second time on
Thursday, the 17th of August next, and that Counsel
should he allowed to be heard on both sides, and evi-
dence be gone into in scpport of the Bill before the
second reading.
Earl flag, said, that it would be more convenient
for Members if, as the Noble Earl observed, any pro-
position for further delay should be made and arranged
before the day sow fixed fur the re-assembling of their
Lordships was finally decided on. It would be like-
wise better for the course of justice, that whatever
delay was to occur shOldd take place before the corn-
meneensest of ings, so that there should be
no interruptiot=rids. There might, however,
he difficulties in Siso.ituy of Counsel, which possibly
communicatiou of list of the witnesses for the seen-
° time sad a speciflea4on of the charges 'sight obviate.
‘ r -woo* lisessito necessary St adjoins the time to math
n period as would allow such witnesses to be left for
might contravene the statements of the whammies
for the Crown, anttwhich adjournment might allow a
more convenient time for alteadance, though be was
aware4that this was a case in which personal conve-
nience should give way to paPic duty. But then it
was quite as expedient that deliberation in the first
instance should make subsequent delays unnecessary.
He looked for no rxtesonlinary indulgence; but the
pecular nature of the case required that such an ar.
rangeutent should be now entered into, as consistently
with the interests of the accused, should give the best
chance of a full attendance and uninterrupted trial.
The Noble Earl (Liverpool) had said, that it would be
necessary to proceed with as little delay as possible after
the application of the Connie) at the Bar; but he had
Len
shown the necessity of fixing the time on the 17th
Angt. It would be more advisable that the at-
of some of the Judges should be had in the
first Instance, after which the proceedings could be
suspeoded, than that the commencement of the trial
should be fixed for the 17th of August, and then sus-
pad the proceedings afterwards. But, however this
might be, there was no good reason why a lint oldie
witnesses and a specification of the charges should be
denied.

ship said, that he did dot trlsh to take the House by
surprise, but if the date of the order was correctly en-
tered, it made it imperative upon the House to com-
municate to, her Majesty the substance of the papers
contained in the green hag. He could not see Why
in this point they should deviate from the practice of
their ancestors. His Lordship then cited a case which
had occurred in the year 1624, in which the House was
in a singular situation in reference to the then Lord
Treasurer Middlesex. A Secret Committee had been
appointed to inquire into the state of munition and
stores ; a report was presented from that Committee on
the 2d of April, by the Archbishop of Canterbury, as
Chairman, which report stated that evidence had been
given on the Committee reflecting on the chara:ter
and honour of the Lord Treasurer Middivex. The
House then appointed a Committee to inquire into the
truth of the matters therein contained. The order to
which he referred was dated the 3d of April, and if
the date was correct, it must be taken as conclusive in
its application to proceedings originating in that
House, for at that time the House of Commons had no
participation in the transaction, but afterwards there
was p conference between both Houses, which ended
in the l'ononons sending np articles of impeachment ;
then for the better cross-examining the witnesses at
the bar, the Lord Treasurer applied for copies of the
depositions, which were at first refused, hut on the 3d
of May the prayer of his petition was granted, and he
received the copies of the depositions that be might be
enabled to prepare his just defence; and it was then
ordered, at the same time it was stated, that the case
might be a leading one with posterity, that there
should be a publication of the charges and depositions
a considerable time before the period fixed for the final
answer of the accused. If then the date of the order
was correct, thi whole would turn upon the question of
publication. 'However that might be dirposeJ of,
substantial justice should be consulted ; and if it was,
its analogies afforded sufficient argument for furnish-
ing the House with the whole contents of the deposi-
tions which had gone before the Secret Committee.
At least, copies of the depositions should be afforded
to the Judges before trial, as was usual, that they
might have an opportunity of ascertaining the credi-
bility of the witnesses, and of comparing the evidence
at the bar with tVe previous testimony ; though not
strictly a judicial proceeding, it should be regulated
as far as it coul by judicial analogies. It was to be
presumed that copies of the depositions would be at-
' forded the Attotney-General, and hr wished to know,
if it was thought right to communicate the contents of
the bag to the Attorney-Omen'. Ga whet principle
they could be withheld from the Counsel for her Ma-
jesty. There appeared to be a great mass of evidence
bat the Report upon it was of a singular and unprece-
dented charaetse. Reports In general gay* some ac-
count of the evidence on which they were grounded,
and left it to the House to infer its proper mode of
proceediug; but therteent Report contained no info:-
nation, nu summary of the evidence, but it advised the
House to adopt a certain 'node which they bad began
at once to act upon. Ibis was the first time that
such advice had ever emanated from a Secret Commit-
tee. His Lordship concluded by again declaring it
just and necessary that a copy of the whole of the evi-
dence, if not a list of the witnesses, should be famished
to the Counsel for the accused.

HOUSE OF LOADS, MONDAY, JULY 10.

The Eirl of Morton, and the Karl of Stamford, and
Warrington, took the oaths and their state.
Mr. lining, from the Custom-house, brought 1p an
account of the imports from China for the last six
years.—Ordered to He on the table.
Mr. Dwyer. from the Irish Court of Chancery.
brought up copies of Lord tiranard's Commission as
Crites Rotrioness of the county of Longford, and the
Contrnimion of the Clerk of the Peace foe the County
of Clare.
Lord KiNTON presented a petition from certain in-
habitants of the palish of Mary-le-bone, complaining
of the increased pride of water, exacted by the Water-
works Companies.--Ordered to lie on the table.
Lord AvcaLiglrb presented tl,O- petitions, one of,
which was from in individual named Strickland, pray-,
iqg that thegusolvent Debtors' Bill might be so framed
as to meet his case? and the other from certain per-
sons confined in Whitecross-street prison, who, it ap-
peered, bad before taken the benefit of the Art, pray-
ing that its provisions might extend to thesu.—Laid
on the table.

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all Mankind smothered; and Injustice he
Hof State: fromOilleialProeeedings a
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of Tone, the Levant Company, &e. &e. &e.* or
l'ooneittees of the noose of Commons, aides
physicices, dein an lavestlptlort he
of Dearly Fear Years; illustrative of the red MIMI OM
of all the. Minuses of the Nation, and of their oda GOMM
scimoggeg is rotten in the State of Iloastel&."—
Hamlet, net I. sense iv.
koaIaaCHARLES MACLEAN, M.D.
: tiall y TaDelby, WOO, Strand" sad all other
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AM hi tho present Lottery, No. 1.1113, a Prise 0(110,0001:
Consols, besides Nice other Capitals.

Mr. Tierney, from the Office of the Land Tax,
brought up a return of the expences incurred by the
rats and redemption of lands under the Land Tax for
the last year.
Lord ENNISSILLIM prbsented a petition Prom cer-
tain freemen forming a majority of the electors of
Dublin, against the clause In a Bill then on their
Lordships' table, to prohibit Masters in Chancery from
sitting in Parliament, as far as it applied to the case
of Mr. =llls, lately returned to serve as a Burgess in
Parliament for that city. His Lordship said a few
words in support of the prayer of this petition, the
substance of which was, that the clause referred to by

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Sr. CLanarres. STRAND,
arxgRAL OFFICE, FOR TRAVELLING.
THE following MAILS and other COACHES
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Portsmouth and Gosport Mail, through Godabring. Pe-
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the petitioners, was to have an er post facto opera-
lol, and was therefore unjust, as it visited with pa•
bishment an act against which no law existed at Ole

time of its committal, Mr. Ellis having been declan,
duly elected before the clause had been inserted in the
Bill.
On the motion of the Marquis of LAnanovor, the
troers which had been brought up from the Custom-
were ordered to be printed for the information
Odle Select Committee on Foreign Trade.
CRIMINAL CODE—The Martinis of LANsoowN
OSUMI the second reading of the Commutation of Fe-
hales Punishments Bill, the Bill for 111 e Repeal of Ca-
Punishments in certain cases, and another Bill,
ht up by Sir James blackintuabAy the whip-
dee of the Penal Code.
The Loan CUAlcUsholt slop
fliiiMeal objects of the VIII,
r present state they ought not to passZ
Ceneeifitee. He would nut object to their being
eill&mall time, but proposed that, previous to their come
mittal, an Address should be moved to the House of
Commons for a copy of the Report of the Commilee
on Criminal Laws, which contained the reasons en
which these Bills were founded.
Some further conversation took place between the
Loan CNA:centime, the Marquis of LANIIDOWN, sad
Lord HOLLAND, in a very indistinct tone, after which
the Bills were read a second time.
THE QUEEN.
The Earl of Liveuroot. rose to make a motion in
reference to the Bill which then lay on their Lord-
ships' table, and which bad been read a tint time.
His Lordship observed, that when the subject of thee
Bill was first under discussion, the Counsel for the
accused had stated that there would be a necessity
for a considerable delay, in order to prepare for the
defence; he understood, not less than ten weeks. Bee
au application of a very different nature was after-
wards made by the same Counsel, the object of whirl
was to press as immediate hearing, or to allow ea
little delay to intervene as possible. He (Lord Liven.,
pool) did not state this with the view of showing at,
inconsistency in the mode pursued by the Leeriest!
Counsel ; because it was probable that the differs,'
state of circumstances might have accounted for the
the -- which at different

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Henley and Orford, every Morning et a quarter before 41
Chichester, Bognor, and Petworth Post-coach, Mostly,
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Dover and Catarrhal Light Post-coach, Monday, Tues-
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The Reri of Livaarom. said, that he did not then
rise to argue these points; with respect to the depo- •
sidling, if any Noble Lord thought fit to make a dis-
tinct motion on the subject, he would enter into the
discussion of it ; but he had heard nothing yet which
shook his opinion as to the propriety of the mode
which the House bad adopted. As to the case which
the Noble Lord (Holland) had referred to, it was, on
his showing, but a doubtful one. But if ether pre-
cedents were looked to it would he found that parrs
referred to Secret Committees of the Home had been
refused on the application of the defendant. It was
so in the case of Atterhnryi, Bishop of Rochester, who
petitioned the House for papeNi of that kind, which
he stated to be important to his defence, bet his ap-
plication was rejected. He did not mean to cite this
case for more than it was worth, hut only as fir as it
could properly apply. As to the Report, it did not
prejudice the ease of the accused, because it was not
upon that the judgment of the House was to be Rimed.
The House was to come to its decision on oral testi-
mony given at the bar by witnesses, who would be
liable to be examined, cross-examined, mad re-exa-
mined, and to hare their characters as well as evidence
sifted in every possible way. He felt that it would be
a great advantage if the proceedings, what owe be.
gun, should not be interrupted; and be would not dloe
ject to a reasonable deley with a view to the • "-
meat of so desirable an object. Ithe bad the
between allowing a list of witnesses or a
lay, he would prefer the latter, as into
throw a. thousand obstades in the way of
justice.
Lord IgLllllllOllOl3lll accused Lord Holland ofln-
consistency, in wishing to have the depoeitious put
into the hands of all the Members, that they might be
hatter qualified to judge, although he had before de- •
claret that the Committee, by examining those &peti-
tions, could 'net but incapacitate themselves for the •
filial decision. His Lordship also argued that the
Moue were hound to take the steps that they did, he-
sitate they united in themselves the two Aires of le-
gislators
and hereditary commotion of the Crewe.
Lewd HOLLanD said, that the Noble Lordisad skim
re., 7= 14tYace supposed him inmis""de'r."`"l
think, sea still thought, that the illebeers of the Se-
net Climewittee qualified themselves by an •
opinion era the written depositions i but as t
op' MOOR pronounced, he wi Meuse to • •
Win
be pot in plesessims of the whole of It ; not to fens'
an epinien open it skew, but to (*Siren its ssagimmeats
with the evidence given orally at the bar.
Lord Lammas spoke in favour of the most

The Earl of Ltvanroot, stated, that it was imp*.
sible that the House could have the attendance of any
of the Learned Judges before the time which he had
fixed upon; bat as to farther delay before the cow
nieacenseat of the proceedings, if any reasonable ar-
rangement on that head was proposed by the other
party he would be most desirous that it should take
effect. The other proposition of the Noble Earl's we-
one to which he could not so willingly accede; he
meant the furnishing of the list of witnesses. As to
the particular charge*, he thought They were fully
stated in the preamble of the Bill; and as to any fur-
ther specification ho could only say. that be would
give it•a patient consideration; but with respeet to the
furnishing the list of witnesses, he was perfectly antis-
fled, and he would give his reasons for it again,
that 41 would form a most inconvenient peseedeni,
and one not eensisteut with law. However, he would
leave 14 to be argued hereafter upon a more deliberate
°pieties.
Lord HOL, AND observed, that wbea Counsel was
last heard at the bar, they prayed for an immediate
proseediog ; but although that was one of their re-
quest. another wee, that they should be furnished with
a list of the witnesses and a specification of ►he charges.
The Nibble Lord who had just sat down, had not ex-
pressed upon the latter subject a very decided opinion ;
but perhaps he could call his attendee to some points
which might enable him to form a right judgment ir.;
the matter. His Lordship then called for the reading
of the 47th standing order ; the substance of which
was, t►at on trials of persons before the House of
Lords, which, as it was the highest Court of Law. ought
to afford light to all others, copies of the charges
should be given to the accused a solicited time before
trial to enable them to make their defence; and they
should be allowed to conduct their cease by Counsel—
, or if Counsel should refine, they should be assigned
by the Cwt. The order haring beeseeed, his Lord-

=nt incongruity of points
they had urged ; but it was the duty ef their
Lordships, as a call had been made for proceeding
with the case without delay, to answer that call as
far as was consistent with the administration of sub-
stantial justice, and the means of pursuing s just in-
vestigatian. All motives should be put out of the
question, and all considerations which the cue in-
volved, either in reference to the parties or the public
mind, none of which ought to weigh so much with
their Lordships at the dispensation of itopertiallar-
tics. He bad thrown oat, on the last day, owe=
in which he expressed a doubt of hew far the
could proceed in this inquiry, without the attendant*
of a proportion of the Learned Judges. He had sin*
been confirmed in the opinion which he this mishit
upon, and was confideat that the Hesse could net
discharge its duty in a maser satisfactory to itself
and the public, without the assistance of a proportion
of the Learned Judges, to give the benefit of their ad-
vice upon proceedings of a judicial character arising
oat of the Bill. It wag sot neoeseary that all the
judges should attend, nor did precedent require it;
even in cases of impeachmeat by the Commegob
where the twelve Judges had been ordered to Mead
in the first instance; yet only a part were required to'
give constant attendance, and the remainder 111110 fdr,v
lowed to go circuit. There was no periods Weak
when the attendaace of the whole could be had, con-
wadeatly with the dispatch of public business. lit a
"Med was flied as late as November, it would be kW
ale thee that all the Judges could awed widow*,
htterfeeiag with the administration of public jambe.
h would not be right or proper, or consistent with
pretedeit, for their Lordships to entertain the gars-
Ass wished the assistance of some of them; at the
saps dm was &axiom that the delay nec.ssarily

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