The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-02-06 00:00:00

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their .own conviction, who would wllliugly
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Sir W,AUrat OL WO. *Coot at iigrit• Wend to
,have addressed the llotie• *op the present occasion,
.6ot it appeared to him..zimpossible to sit still
.ehile
,she Suspension Act was under discussion, tied not to
„attempt an limner ist what had fallen (rotes the Hon.
slid Learned Member who spoke last. That Huai
Member thought that subsequent events had completely
,lustified the measure. Ile (Sir W. Burroughs) was of
a different opinion, and he would state the grounds
of that opinion. Look* at the Reports on which
the Suspension Act was grounded, he friend, In the
iris, that a conspiracy was alleged to have beets
formed in London to burn the barracks, to storm
the bower, to seise upon the Bank, to destroy the
bridges, and, in ,butt, to overturn the Government,
and to subvert the order of society. But what were
the fiefs that appeared on the trial of Watson and
the other prisoners tried in Westininiter.hall ? and
how did the evidence given ou that occasion support
the representatious of theSeoret Committee? Thecae.
spirit.), was found to bare beet formeJ by two surgeons
without employment, • man of broken fortunes, and
two cob'ers. It did not appear that any person of
respectability or iiiguence favoured their projects, or
.partook of their counsels, or that they had any con-
. action with other conspirators or agitators in the
country. Then there followed a second Report,
„ which omitted all mention of the conspiracy in the
metropolis. The hand-bills, width% to the murder
of the Prince Regent and of the Noble Lord oppo-
site, of which bOOO copies were said to have been
prepared, were uo where to be found. The seat of
the conspiracy was, therefore, transferred to the
North, and the disturbances which afterwards gave
occosioo to the trials at Derby were brought forward.
But it appeared that this formidable insurrection was
dispersed by the ordinary efforts of the Magis.
states ; that the ringleaders were arrested, impri.
mined, and brought to trial. The rising took place in
/ June, the trials took place at Derby ins October, and
nothing happened in the interval to excite any alarm,
or to call for the 'Nerdse of extraordinary powers.
. It was said by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman '
(Mr. Wynn),.that the evidence of previous plots
and meetings was not necessary on these trials, but
be begged lease to differ with him. The Judges in
addressing the Juries on that occasion, laid down the
law, and very ereperiy, in his opinion, that a rising
for • general and public object constituted the crime
fir which the prise/seri were indicted ; and that the
only questions on which they were called to decide,
related to the overt act of the insurrection, and the
• general purpose. Now, to have established by eri•
deice the connexion of the prisoners with other con.
spirators in different parts of the coontry, frequent
meetiogs and common objects would have at once de.
cided the wets of their design, which was the only
thing as which there could remain a doubt, and the
Plr-elOstenFo'of 'Welt wits the only cireemelosse en
which ihelr Counsel rested their defence. If it bad
been shown that they were acting io concert with
persons at Manchester, at Loudon, at Nottingham,
or in Yorkshire, for overturning the Government, the,
fact of their having committed High Treason could not
have been doubted for an instant. Why, then, was
sod such evidence brought forward ? It was not dif.
knit to discover the masa". Had the prosecution
gone into testimony for this purpose, it would have
eppearediebst the insurrection had been arranged and
encouraged by the agents of Government. One of
the unhappy men convicted on this occasion, nearly
at his dying moment, when he might have been sup-
posed to be inclined to speak the truth, and when be
was assured. that a falsohned could have nu infitieuce
en his rater Imputed to the tustigatlen of Oliver the
crime for which be was about to stiffer. But, said
the Solicieor-General, on, a former night, why did
not the Learned COWIN' for the defence of the pri-
soners bring forward and examine this person, if his
evidence was as important? The reason of this
is obvious. He could not have been minim()
as to their contenting to commit treason, with-
out proving the treason for which they were ar-
raigned. He most have been the most dangerous
witness they could have celled ; and, if they had pro!
duced him, they most have prodoced the moons of
their own conviction. Tito admission that they had
consulted with him to overturn the Government,
would have amounted to a confession of their
and depsived them of ail the means of defence. In
the second Report of the Committee of Secrecy, they
shifted the scene from homiest to Manchester, where
the conspirators were to barn tbe town end massacre
the inhebitaats. If such were the designs of the men
appreiended under the Suspension Act, how could
Ministers account to their country for having liberated
them witbee a trial? On wbat plea could they be
discharged, at first with the idle farce of taking their
recapitulate, sod afterwards from their rem:testi-
minces ? If tide was not a confession that the Minis-
ters had nothing to produce against the alleged
traitors at Manchester, and that the etildifiCEoll
which the Report of the Committee in which they
were arraigned was otifouniled, they incurred a
heavy responsibility for sending beck such dan-
gerous characters into society. Their conduct was
inexplicable on the supposition that the Report was
true, and the '36:pension Act could not be justified on
the groom! that it was not. No events happened
since to justify such a measure. If be might advert
to one reelanchnly.eient (which had united the nation
in one common expression of sorrow, he might draw
from an it irresistible infereisce, that the minds of
the People were sound, and that their attachment
to the House of Brunswick remained unshaken.—
Never in any country was there more sincere or more general
tyro/why, and never did any nation more unequivocally waft,
their affection for the fiuntlf of their Sovereign. He (Sir W-
ham Burroughs) could not Agree that the election of a Commit-
tee by ballot wqs SO favourable to free enquiry us one by motion.
Suppose a Comentttee were to he elected by motion, the Noble
lard and the Bight hot,. Gentleman Hr. B. aalkurst/i 41 it
was to decide on their owe conduct, might feel a little delicacy
stominatiog thetoselye.; whereto a ballot totally destroys this
fe'tiog t and though the h o was mode by theroseivet, they might
still he on it without attending any -rise of propriety. That the
ittoposed Conornitiec iyasilded to bripg in a pnstbumousjus
tification of the Suspensini Act, there could he no doubt.-.
Could any ether skied be conceived in the eseptiry but an In-
let:why Sill I The Suspension Act is abrogated, mole be

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-.ow te—egrier—liT pia ea adlliti to reg
watts/ Ihitilaki eis INltiftallf deo iitte4gagvw...
lia Zit , lEnirbiabAritargastirril
gidotillb el it ttlibred frna elgesitise;, It hwth IMO ailiee4
lowed by the Lion. tientleasetopposite, that the a ' o A
gave no new poweetilset only attired titer/ft Orson%
and postpol, their trials ' could he brought on wi i
greater security. This was the w
ha
oleo ration of the Art,
the Noble Lurid ol fitat.eqrsaiu fvi of w had tale
un
place under it, and for these a Bill of. aptmuity would be
cessary. The cifineipienee wai, Qt t hell' llion that the Parties
Ownsa had Opsided to seem reettaie diorstiaaary.peirens 'ltts•
they had elsard: that they had imputed susploon to pe
*he lad owllolltod ow eillhe 1 tlm they bed maprivolvect
and after beiipx exposed their characters and their lives, wind
olio* them no legal reareis. Were^the &liniment themselves wins'
oppressed Ilene Ns be their Judges, and after having row,
',feted them on ex-parte evidence, to come to Parliament for e I
of fadeemht do a similar hied of eridetice,t• prevent theta I
from proving their isooctuce?
Sir JOHN SEBRIGHT professed he had voted'
for the Suspension and its consequent measures last
year, owing to his conviction of the necessity of those
measures, and he always had teen desirous of
strengthening the hands of Goverament, when he
considered such a precaution necessary for the public
,safety. He owed it to himself, and tkat condone
which he ever felt disposed to exercise, that in yield-
kg to the representations of Government, be had
LfrNuts! • himself grossly deceived.—[Load cheering
oni the Opposition.]—Let hits nut be misunder.
'stood, or too loudly cheered for an expression he
alloald qualify, by sayissg, he found Government it-
self hod been grossly imposed upon also—[tear!)
:N—and this principally owing to their own igen'ts.---.
Ha fait it necessary to state, in justice to his public
character, that events bad not justified the measures.
resorted to in the last Session by his Majesty's blisi-
sters.—[ifear, hear!] .
Mr. ii.L.LISON considered the dying declaratioe
of Brandreth to be a gross falsehood, originating with
some dangeroes and designing person.. lie had known
of several evil-disposed persons employed toeacite dis-
turbances and disaifection,having been sent from Not.,
tinghans even into Lincolnshire. However he • oold
say, in common no doubt with others, that if Mi..l
sisters did not make out a case satisfactory to bias,
be would not grant them an indemnity.
Mr. SAVIi.LE complimented the Ministry upon
having attended to the suggestion of Parliament in
retrenching the Public Espenditure. 'rhos was the
best answer to reformers in and out of doors • apply
to the Rouse, end redress wilkbe obtained of there
'grievances; for the check remained, thank God,
still with the House. He was of no class or party,
thanks vs a parent'[ anxious care and unremitting
,serape. and not his own merits. He was that 46.1
tingeieked and prowl character—an independent
Member of Parliament.—(Lan4hing )—He wanted
nothing from Governmene:A4 laugh)—oi least he
had never yet got any thin] bens Government for
any vote be had given in that Haulier.—(Loud laugh-.
ing and cheering )—lt had been said he hail not voted.
last 6ession with Ministry, owing -lb a cert.tin di- .
ploatatic friend of his not having been employed by
Ministry.—( Laughing )—lle had never been sway.
ed by such a motive, sod he felt it a duty owing to
himself to make this appeal to all good men) in and
out of the House, in vindication Of his rharscter,and
to assure the House he wisest always remain what
his parent's careful exertion Itad enabled hine.to be—
an independent Member of Parliament.—(Cheering.)
Ma FORBES did not think Ministers entitled to
much credit for the improved state of the country ;
for this, in his opinion, 'rote from the hints they
had received its the coarse of the last Session, rather
than from any *Origins! measures of their own. He
gave them no credit for their forbearance in the ex-
ercise of the powers vested in them under the Suspen-
sion of the Habess.Gorpes Act; be rather thought
they were culpable in not'selecting for prosecution
the men whose speeches instigated the lower orders
to acts of violence, in preference to the People them.
selves.-4Heue!)—The meaaore of the Suspension,
Ile was sure, had the approbation of a great majo.
thy of the People of the country—it hid theappro-
batioe of all sober men--[d laugh]—of all men of
good understanding.
Tits question being luridly called for, the motions
were pet as fellow :—.
' That the Papers presented to the House br order of his
finial Higbee's* the Pli,lee Regret, on Tuesday le-1, be refer.
test 10 a Committee."--Carried ennatintously.
" TAW* Committee be tate of Secrecy."—Carried roast.
bimnusly.
" That the number he !I."—Carried tromrintow.ly.
On the question
" That the Cemsait tee be chases by hello',"

Mr. BROUGHAM did not mesa to press any
otber motion span the House, but measly testate to
them the grounds es which for one, be could got
agree with that then under consideration. lie passed
over all the very cogent !swum which had hewn urged
by the Hoe. Member for Binbury on the *object, as
well as what had been said by ether Hon. Members.
But upon a question so sole= and serious, and so
really sad vitally important, be wished to be satisfied
upon one point; and that was, how the (louse could
be got out of one ditfically by the mod* of ballet.—
, Aey Member approving of the motion for a &Putt
Committee, and that that Committee should eonaist of
a otortain number, and that that enquiry should be
laid before them, via. that the papers shoed be Buh-
-1 milted to that Committee, to him he would offer that
qoestion. The questios was, whether the Noble
Lord was a fit person to sit upon such Com-
mittee?—He would pot it to the Noble Lord ,
himself, whether be was the fittest person
ip the world to sit upon that Committee as a
member, to try whether or cot certain persons should
be deprived of their right of action against himself ?
He might ask, why it was cot probable that he might ,
oat be one of the parties to any action that might be
brought by any of them men ? Why might he not be
a party upon the face of the very record itself? Sup-
pose any Member should wish tp put the question to
the House, that,bn or any other pie should be •
member of that Committee, he wished to know how
the mode of appointment by. ballot left them at liberty
to discuss such a•questioll ? And if the Noble Lord
would point net to him any source or means by which
the Orme! the Home could be obtained, that method
being pursued, then the objection would lose the
• force which at present it seemed to him to possess.—
But SOCOrailig to the mode adopted last Sescion, sod
according to the common method, there was Re-pas.
ability of discussing any question, upon any indivi-
dual name. •
Mr. CANNING replied, that the Noble Lord'i
name woild net appear on the retuned lit', unless
it was thst same of the sajosity of the 'lope that

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otteliP• bq there, /01e.144. Pets ponrinurilla
the Case ,hot that the ogniaskteilelq,ntt fogad
en the decision of the majority of the Itouse. It
Was, the venal custom of"Tittiament to bled' arie
Committees by bolter; end ittinitt was asty one m
,by whkh. the intlivideal.:diasorot et Miming* MI so
!tindividual Anima could be mete divior.ity obtained
was by the mode now ga:posed. Witbin his
eoliectiun it was the custom to circulate too lists c 1
4ire fli:Use, one called the Triasury, acid the otirt4
be Opposition; and the remelt always proved t I
sereaderfel corresponimace between the actual setae
And the individual assent of the Home. He did
see any grounds for a departure on the present Jo
stance from the ordinary usage of the House, merl
for the purpose of affording the opportunity of in
individual discussion.
Mr. BROUOHAM thought the Right Honour-
able Gentlesnan bad entirely inisuntierstbod him :11
he was entirely mistaken (sod if Lord Sidmooth were
to be present, he would base addressed himself to
l
him, or to the Right Hon. Gentlemen not in bi•
place, whom he considered' as more immediately con-1
nected with the Noble Lord's department)— he was,
mistakes in supposing that the Noble Lord's name
would not he in the Committee, utiles. the very same
thing happeued--onless the question were pot and
decided by a majority of the Howie. The Noble
Lord would early bave a relefive majority : and he
might welt* eassidereif in i dffitority,' with a very.
hollow majority, if it came to be thoronghly ?la-
,
.oviteo for be had only to pot more voice: than
°chef' perluns had upon the ballot, and his object was
accomplished. •
Mr. TIERNEY.—" The question of my Hon.
and Learned Friend has eertainly received no answer.
Now I beg to repeat it : • Shell we here any oppor-
tunity of taking the sense of the Houscon the same
of the Noble Lord, if the Scrutiosbers on the ballot
shall have returned his name as haring a relative ma-
jority on the list ?' In repeating this question, I
mean to give no opinioa whatever on the propriety or
impropriety of the probable appointment."
[This enquiry was and by toad cries of "
Qnts-
lion !"] ,
The House then divided on the appointment of the
Committee by ballot, when the numbers were—
For the Ballot l9O
Against it

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Majority for the Ballot • ' 73 •
On our re-admission to the gallery we found
Mr. SAVILLE giving notice, that on Tuesday
week he would move for teats to bring in a Bill, par-
ticularly affecting the Landed Itilereslits the Western
Counties. The object of the Bill would he to enable
landlords to have a facility of recovery against tenants
quitting In smear.
• -The louse thee-adjourned

THE MINORITY
4;tatryz. THE NaIIitINATION. DT BALLOT, OF TiTR-lIECatT

4;0111/111ITCE.
Hothiagtoo. T. W. FrlloweN Flan. N. Piggott, Sir A.
Borrow,, Sir W. Fartherley. J. N. Philips. tie".
Brn chum, H. Ferguson, SL !LC. Itemlle, Sir A.
Burdett, Air F. Hare.riart, Jerks Scuslartiare. U. P.
Burnett, James Heroin, Sir Rt. Ss at.isr&, T. P.
Brand. Hon. T. Lasonore. Col. I4Phright, Sir J.
Br"'" Ors V.ILOSSAtiI• J. .TietsktajUlusk. G.
Cu[omit: -Methuen. P. C. Waldegrave,
Campbell. Hon. J. Neva m. Gird W.
Houglie.„ 11. in. F. S. Ovekilsitu., Lord Wood, Ald.
Polkesr ni•. Lord Ord, WM.
J Ahrrerinshie and R. airdne.
N. B 'I he Tellers ma„e a mistake and returned 2.) in lcnd
of it.

REFUGE FOR rgE DESTITUTE.

Yesterday evening the Anniversary of thislaudahle
Institution was celebrated at the City of London
Tavern, Bishopsgete-street, whets nearly two hun-
dred Noblemen and Gentlemen, friends and patrons
to the Institution, sat down to a most sumptuons•en-
tertaiament, his Royal Highness the Duke of York
in the Chair, supported on his right hand by the
`Right lion. Lord Viscount Sidmouth, and on his left
by the Earl of Mountnorris ; we also observed
1 among the company.--
_ _ _

The Lard Bishop of Lend*.. Lend Endley. Lard Kenyon,
Lord Cush:ool, Edward Protheriw, Esq. M. P.. Alderman
Birch.
Birch. Rothschild, Esq.. Samuel Josephs, ){.q., Somme'
dewlap's's. Ks+ and oeveial other Bai ken and Mercheats.
The object of titie Institution is to provide a place
of refogeittad reformation for persons who have been
discharged from prison or the hulks, unfortunate and
deserted females, and others who, though willing to
work, are unable, from loss of character to earn an
honest livelihood. Within this Asylam—they Are
withdrawn from the paths of vice, temptation, and
necessity ; they are taught to renounce their former
habits of life, to partite industrious employments, to
form Resolutions of pestilence and reformation, and
en return to society with rammed beerts and amend.
ed lives.
fitter die cloth was mewed, Noes *obi. Ramie*
was sung in excellent style by Igessrs,Tayler, Bryant,
Terrail, Barclay, Evans, Clarke, Leete, &c. After ,
the usual toasts or the " KinK"—" Cliseets"--T
Prince Regent," Ste. Ste. each of which was fel',
lowed by an appropriate glee or swig by the read
perfwrosers, and some sprightly music by the Duke of
Gloucester's Band, which were stationed in the Musa;
Gallery,. the Duke of York, Load Sichnouth, and
Mr. Bosauquet, made very able and appropriate
speeches.
The state •of the Society (from the Report) we!
.most gratifyieg. The subsoriptiens, we are happy to
announce, exceeded 10001. Among the donations
we noticed—
A nifae not al liberty to be oseolitesed £6OO 0 •
-•---.l.nek. Esq. 10 l 0
The Dole ..f York 50 0
The Earl of Bridgewater d 0 0
Lord Si know h 4.5 0
The Wm. W Milo Glover 10 10
. Mr. Alderman Birch . 10 10
The Duke of York left the Chair about kill...past
10 o'clock, and the company enjoyed the festivity to
a late hour. • •