The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-04-22 00:00:00

TUE S:.I',ATEONI AN,

the State, such as did not appear altogethet etwatai::
tilde with its safety.- Ilia Lordship here observed,
that though he had so often delivered his lenthaants
on this question, that ho had now thought
it necessary to show upon paper such as had occur-

'ii ieoeif occasion, an illustration from Gil Mat, to
Atm the unreasonableness of the claims advanced
! by the Catholics; he said, that in the year 179.1 they
M promised to'be satisfied with the concessions then
snide ahem; bat so far from its turning out that they
the

ceived, with satisfaction, that among all the l'utitio"
which loaded the table of (h&c Loi.oltips hat
subject, there was but one, a sal:limy iNstatice ,f
undue influence of the Ala4is'racy i Ilt;1)!iti of a
counter tendency. 1k SlO/0.1 111. \

Lordous I
it)hroes;i•efarofmorttliiti?e
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in order to Avoid. repeating those
.he had Irere..satisea.,., Jey now caMe forward, and, like die 1 Petitions from ''
tiricieni,tiv'eattiltot::ie.cie,fii ea,,,,;.it..11:1;„. : : '
our Bias,
kindness.chose rather
Bat to
th
the Noble
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*reelottioyltifttritc,
uttollyt stated. lreS bad alwaaritulahregisaieddvaried es.„l, „f ' 4.;':111. 7 "!!.1 '°'()
(11:001dgiw InntolleCt that it is not in the nature of man 1 abilities, be referred to a eamenit a's ef'''te,:al7:'..
s le
bears thus stied
• and in. I House.
let°. gem r perste ;te
n e
ticktllle gtiebeiseittionit
i to .trouble their LottlsVps
be satisfied under any privation of '
'stew o In edging in sarcastic observations of this The Motion beingput from i w
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appealNl
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.et
t'ecctelsnastearyutionaJ grounds,
to
d' f ad
.14ithe‘atirttisettizoilflheerisaelqiitzentt;.te Ithlee
prwltuelod neeowl.
tle entette•
exclusion, as it affected net the Catholics alone, but Mad,' he could wish that those who listened to him The DU KE of SUSSEX rc. 1 ' " ,
c. .ts cone inpe f• I
any class of his Majeet3es subjects. lie called on would censider well the impolicy of letting the Ca- : a subject, of the nature of that ler -„ e fI- .4
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their Lordships• to abolish this principle. If ,nacre thollciperceive that they were indebted for every con- I must be obvious, that the first duty of a subject ee.
was any Noble•Lerd thee present, who had any ob- cession they obtained to our weakness rather than I respectfully to submit to the laws as''' diey were ti,en
our good will; it was in vain to talk of what we had ;established. Bat ~,
i already done as efficient of our liberality, while it i full, and open discussion of the merits and . '
jection to its being disavowed, it was for him to state
Inytefereomwtihiiechorfi,Litmmeldobijheieetet a. nilllii./htne::::..va4/./r;
t that duty did not pre • , - a
./ le the eree
ips:But was it not ludicrous,he would ask, to suppose,
eel stet
that the individual who was lit and able to corneae(' i was distinctly that our apprehensions form. 'of the laws, whenever they should be fouiel to t' ‘
la regiment, should be deemed unfit mei incapable of ; eel the real impulse. The Irish Catholic was fully part essfe,n2tgiiasli
: commanding a hriaade? That -1: person who could ful- 1 competent to discern this, notwithstanding the wale of the
1 ail the arduous duty of an advocate,should be consider-1 of education which, he was with so much impolicy Ihs sal jyt found hirr self aggrieved, it was a ;I'LL/
refused. We now, indeed, had an opportunity •of tary and acknowledged principleof“ ' '
led unable to execute those of a Judge ? That he who I
the Ceiete
with propriety, elect Members to sit in Par- showing our liberality, of -begetting a feeling of grati.. ietion, that he wag entitle( -to submit the statemert
could,
liament, should. be himself unfit to be elected ? i tude in the Catholic miud. No inamodinte 'clanger was ' of his grievance to that quarter where he should
These were indeed most absorb tenets) and should he to hkePrehended from rejection, and it behoved us naturally look for redress. That was one of the
renounced with the whole doctrine of exclusion ; till to seize the opportunity of granting that which might ; ambit* and retest glorious privileges of the e
! hereafter be extorted. He could not forbear now I stitution, and one that, he hoped eon.
,that was the case, there•would be no security for the
would never be
Protestants of Ireland, for there would be no feel- , adverting to a most extraordinary mode of con- ! abendoned or denied. Remonstrances and „pre.
! ciliating the Cathislice, which he understood to be in , sentatioas of that nature, respectfully drawn •
t
lug in theininds of the Catholics, that a fair coon-
be yielded.
up, it
dence was reposed in them. lie would take his/stand ethe contemplation of Government. It had not ia- ' was the duty of the Legislature to attend to, and it
i deed come immedii tely from his Majesty's Mini-) was likenise their duty to afford a remedy, where
i •
me the Act of 1793, in order to claim that &inn-
; deuce for the Catholics; by that Act they had been I titers, but it had come from behind the Throne, it : such could, with wisdom and propriety,
. .
had .oeeiteds± had been stated fa •public clubs and societies.— ' With those impressions in his mind,' I e thought •
virtually declared trustworthy--they" 1 it
!singular favours from a Protagriat Legislative, and I The sum of it was, that two bete/Hoes of the would well become their Lirdships to take the Peti
! from a Protestant Sovereign, wee, by •the greeting i Guards, with an illustrious person tit their head, ' lions into Geis most serious cousideratime s
• •The
them, had evinced that they ware tally satisfied as to ! were to he sent to Ireland ; and these diabolical ar- subject was grave, pressing, and momentous, and
Catholic honour and Catholic jotirgrhy. It badsbeen ; rangements were the answer that was to be even such as the nation ought to see their Lordships were
stated by a Noble Marquis, in an- eloquent speech, to the Petition of so large a portion of his Ma- not disposed to treat with neglect or levity. All im.
on a former occasion, teat any 4.lthilitiel. Were in ejesty's. subjects ; but he would sly, that • such a passioned feelings should be dismissed from their
themselves evil, and in this sentiment he most heir-Iseheme was unwise as it was injurious, for that minds, and they ought to come to the discus.
Lily acquiesced. Ile bad shown their Lordships what his rountrymee knew as well how to tight for their sion with tempers as calm, chastened, and philoste
were the feelings of the Legislature at the time the I constitutional rights as for the privileges of others. phic as that of Plato or of Socrates. 'Bigotry
Act passed by which the Catholics were relieved flom ' The plan was one which deserved the contempt of should be utterly excluded, expediency no further
sia large a portion of the disabilities under 'which they I every sound thinking and:feeling mind e and lie was dwelt on than was compatible with fairness anti
suffered--ehe would ask, what were the dangers that satisfies', that the individual with whom it had' ori- justice, and thus, under the guidance of truth,
we row apprehended from a completion of the w4rk : gitwted, would much. rather be occupied in framing wisdom, and liberality, he should not fear but
whieh Lad been thus begun ? No danger should bee it, than appear foremost in any contest which his the vessel of the State, howsover tossed and
apprehended after so solemn au act of. settlemilat !enachinations• might promote : he could not help agitated at present, might be brought soon into a
between Catholic and Protestant as that Act consti- : thinking, that however high his rank might be, his serene and safe anchorage. He had heard mach
tuted, to the tamer of whom it was said by the lot- : conduct, in the preserve instance, should be marked unmeaning talk about a IVE= Era, and abundance
tor, if you recottercertein oaths, we will admit ytu by the reprobatiun of Parliament. On the coin. of conjectures, imaginations, and inuendoes, re.
into the State, and the condition was embraced. lie ' mencement of the illness under which his Majesty suiting from the idle gossip of tea Tables. From such
would advert to one argnment, which was not unite. I unfortunately laboured, the Irish Catholics had a copious and fertile source of intelligence, it was no
quently urged ageinst the Catholic Claims--•—it' turned, with renovated hope, towards him whom . wonder that frightful tales, and apprehensions of
was said, that they could not be admitted to a ; they had always considered as the guardian of : murders and enormities, and extravagances of all
share
sof political power ; but had they_not beta ; their rights, and the zealous assertor of their privi- ' kinds should. proceed, and that Protestants should
already admitted ? Was not the majority of tie '. lege*. Their hope increased as the time approached be made to cry out against the muteleeous Papists.—
electors of Ireland '
Catholics ? He well recollects 4, when he could make public the feelings by which i Out the present Era, the commencement of the loth
that in the year 1792, when it was in contemple. ! be was actuated 'towards them—but this fair hope ,' century, be hoped would be marked, hailed, and
tion to give the Catholics the elective franchise, that wan blasted—[Hear, hear !]—and instead of the distinguished by toleration, and true Evangelic
it was contended by the euemies of their claims, thee abundant of national unanimity, and concord which Charity. He would advise their Lordships to
if the elective franchise was granted them, the power ,' might have been rationally looked for, the sbarpened ' pause, and examine the pages of history, and to
of being themselves elected, must follow of course; ! edge of a slumbering statute had been called into ! mark and distinguish between the exertions of the
so that this favour, which was now withheld on ths : action,-tHear, hear !]—and -these desperate men ' civil and spiritual functions. They would theme
ground of its giving a participation of polititaf' who had till then opposed the jest claims of their find, that howsoever by perverted ambition and
power, was considered by the ablest of the Jrials. up- ' cohntrymen, were allowed•to continue in the pie- misdirected power, those functions - had been
portents of the Catholics, as a mere corolltrYitet the nary exercise of all awlr long-cherished intoter- blooded and confounded, they yet were naturally,
other more important portion they had already re- ance.—[lisar, hear!]—The-.period at which we ! essentially, and necessatuy distinct; and in all cases
ceived. Another argument frequently adduced was, had arrived, had been dignified with the title of a' of civil comelaint, it was not to the spiritual cousti-
that we could not admit the Catholics into
_the new era, as if it were to be marked by Innovation ! tution, but to the foresight and policy of man alone,
State ; but did not the many offices they were now of signal benefit to the people ; but, as yet, as. that en appeal for redress-shoold be made. Instead
empowered to hold, give theta a participation in suredly nothing had been done, which could make of upholding . stale and exploded prejudices at the
the State? lie would put their claims on .the it appear that * was more than sounding words. ' present date, it would become the Parliament of that
strongest passible ground--he would advocate the s He would ask, what act of grace or mercy had; enlightened country, to convince Europe and the
question as one of right, and he would state it, ; been done in favour of a suffering people? What , warld that we are yet existing a free nation, which,
as his deeided opinion, that if it was not de- • grievance had been redressed? To mention one ' distlaitting'the dark, dismal, and pestiferous clouts
tided finally and conclusively on the grouud of ac. ! would be impossible • but on the contrary, claims, ! of -prejedice and persecution, could perceive, ac.
knowledged right, there would be no pence or seen- : the granting of which was necessary to the pence : knowledge, and worship the•fitneficentand common
rity in the country. If the Catholics felt that they : and safety of the country, were obstinately resisted; ' God of all Christians, who came into the trothl to
only received a grant tehich they would be liable : to gratify the feelings and prejudices df a set of men ; save; not. to molest or destroy, his wors•appers.—
to have rescued whenever the Protestants might; who. were least oft!! entitled to an indulgence, which; Whatever were the difficulties of the times, whatever
ehu.e. to resume it, they would never feel um. ! would beextravagant if intended to the most deserv. ' the alarm excited by bad minds, or admitted by weak
roughly satisfied. For' his part, he anxiously :
wish. '-, ing. Such was the natureand character of the new era. ones, he trusted there was no want of the a,nor
ed to see the day when there should be no distaie,.. Ministers had drawn a kind of magic circle round patriw in the country ; but that if such an emer-
tion in Ireland of any other but between the loyal the Throne, and the mysteries therein performed : gency should occur, there would he many a Cordes
and disloyal ; nor would he accept on the• part of ; were suited to Calypso's Court. Under such a per- i ready- to leap the gulph. He recollected well tha
the Catholics a restoration to their rights as a homelnicious, depraved, and degraded system as had pre- ' principles which introduced and placed on the throne
He could net pass this opportunity of complaiuipg of i railed, no hope remained of safety 'to the honour' of that kingdom the family to which he had the ho.
the feeling still sabeisting In 'the Legislature againstJor salvation of the country, but the prompt, con- ; noun to belong, and he would state the motives
the Catholics, as was evinced by the sentiments; stitutional, and energetic interference of Parliament; - which directed the vote he meant to give that night—
which were uttered whenever their claims were; that alone was adequate to allay the publid dissa- I “ liumesum humanum nil nine nevem anemia pule)."
brought forward ; and still more had he to complaiu I tisfaction, and. to obviate the public dangers—to The. wisdom .of Governments, he thought, Ras
of the conduct of Ministers, who,'on such occasions, ! put a period to the triumphant profligacy, and reaui- shown, by their tolerating all religions. No intent-
seldom failed to odd insult to injury, a circumstance
,' mate the sober, solid, wise, and industrious habits of venience to the State, but rather advantage, would
which could net fail to keep the Catholic
.mind in a . tbepeople, and to invite and clear the way for the arise, from their variety. They would tend to ha-
most dangerous state- of •irritation. He would in.l return 4 the olive breach. lie would ask Ministers, lance the strength of the community, while each mail
stance, in particular, the expressions which had i by- what example in the history of these countries indulged the dictates of his conscieece,
without being
been made use of in the other House by the Hight i they were prepared to justify the privations to vi hick ' amenable to any other being but Cod alone—[//eat,
Honourable Secretary .for the Home Department, etheir•policy or their intrigues would doom the Catho- ',hear !]—By such wise and wholesome indulgent.:
when the small sum of 40001. was asked as au addis iics? Ile defied, them to find any such justili- • atone cuekl any•gueit, Stateenaintabi tratlallillilYs or
titian' graut, for the purpose of educating the whole ; (*tienether in their owner an.Y. ether. lalr', from ' reteinitr'eaticer fed" accord the conquests she might
of the Catholic prieethoot 'The Rightllonositille tree gales ofihe Seraglio to the Court of Berlin. Still make, or the territory which she might aeq-eire.--
Secretary expressed his objections to granting, it in s more widely from their mark weeldothey wander, if *Stich was the indispatably sound policy of the great
the et rougest manner, and his regret that any grant i they sought a sanction in 'the conduct. of that great atitagonistwith whoM the country was at present en-
haft ever been made ior the purpose. As it bad been 1 conqueror to whom we were, in political as well_ as gaged, ana it. was wise to take lessees from an
made, however, he did not think it right to-rescue it,lmilitarY views, then opposed. The euergetiz measures enemy, and ntlopt a course which' alone Coed rel"
' but said lie was most heartily grieved that it had ever lof that:extraordinary person were animated by, and (.14.0 ue ablelo contend With him. if the teem? ial•
been acquiesced in ; that the public money had ewer l directed to very different objects. His aim was cem- fists iu their Petitions had not been so full, explicit,
been so improvidently lavished. Now he would state, I ciliation in all matteis'thai related to the religion of and satisfactory on the subject' of
.the lope's
that the origiaal sum greeted was only 8,0001.; this, i the countries Agile overran : and if perpetual . i hoe- . supremacy, he should, undoubtedly, have thought
' cousidering,the object that was to be attained, would t Mita' were to helnekniained against hide we must begin it necessary to say something on that head but
not be considered as very large ; but he did I seriously, though late, to effect canoiliation at home ; : they had
Ire-
titer,
complain here- of a want of liberality ilea. I perpetual warfare .abroad weld only be maintained ! only add, that the doctrine had long -ago and .
Ives la
ther, but when 40001. additional was detnaeded Iby perpetual and universal amity among themselves. I quetitly been renounced by the Popes tbetese
obviated all fair objection, and he need
(his' though still falling short of extravagance, was At inch a coojuocture, big ;with -the fatit of nations, :their negotiations 'With ' the Sovereigns pf Furor,
deemed inadmissible ; and yet he could state to their when the utmolit exertions we could make were :as welles by the Decreteotthe Council of Constant's.
,Lordships, that a sum of 41,0001. had been on. a for- barely enough to keep us from shelag overwhelmed ; But he might limit observations to our owe It!t:..
-
tiler occasion granted for the support of the Pro- -in the surrounding ruin, , was it .41 snail a time be- - tore'. The greatest opposition ever made to the i
, testent Charter Schools—and a grant of 12;0001. coming'or wise to waste the sinews .of net strength i.ordinate peso-and temporal usurpation of ti p:e one,
Sovereigns of that coun-
ter:—while, had been made ill fsuour of non-conforming Minis- be doinfetie...disCOuteott, created . and fomented by ; was offered by the Catholic S .
etuliow,
ter,while, for the• education of the whole of the persqeution endikjustleele Against the tatal effect' try. Happily insulated as we were, our ius i _
_,,
Catholic Clergy, one of his Majesty's Ministers bad of so 1i proceedings, it 'became the 'imperious .dyty , rotigioussued civil, were nourished and
boast,
not serupledao express his regret that any ptovislon of Parliament to supply .an adequate and speedy' a state of puritk of which no other State could .
the King
r had been Made, Rudest the sum of 8,0001. it was pis.' remedy : to' conciliate, lint, and then to save the end -they at all times clearly evinced• that
elltively refused to, make ally addition. Yet it was nation :to wipe away the restricticoure to :acknow- enjoyed the supreme civil power and gsiv
.1
at
preserved 1
:tint aucernmeu for Noble Lords to apply in that ledge the. rigliti; and listen to the Pet
Theft su-
dameavaelesimmitted to the Spiritual. Head, _
1 house expressions of contempt to the Irish pewsmitry. PtioPle. • With, ach a determination .iit the Parlia-
Wore of the
'Which, if they were gently applied, could only he so' lent,
he should-. net rit.deePair of salvation to the jpemacy, of the Civil Govermieh
he State,. while the spiritual funefions evereer,ritmjtnito•of
in consequence of their want of that education which. State, arid, saitatted;bY Ptah aheir4l heebmild cline hundred yeses /before the time of Henry VlM:nit
was thus refused !them' :Flu"' were made Wiese- elude. But first' he apse. Woes. bier thWelts to skin wits acknowledged and asiefinned by Catholic Jet e• ,
ne of-the-Canoe Lew. :It was
by the ueglect.of alt proper culture, a-e 4. by the area ships for, tleepotteaaatteittbsa 'With. whiola they lied by thaatlitgaelo
ralkn of. an °PPreleike Bode et laws; aosi thawthey lad listetieileo Idea .11eAltels letiede Abet.* Com- roved end /mesa. ow -by • WilliaM the Conqueror.
d
were-taxed 'Miele/sing so by those *AP., hattlsisbwe : be, eppeinted to .leke lute madaideration.the lb the' seigifatitiLleg John it had is iintulier. an ,
Heed themospdalseopn every. obstacle lOUS Way et 141.41Z.radvisitiesal peattliaelyllaciingllta RINSE nansrliiippy cowlliMation in the Act sit
:ipe
.. . .... - was manifest four
Archbishop
their regenesatieiss . sli., NON .Lord bad, ippiletto. a ' • the-Noble Laritlei. ear ' whew the dieaunersend Pusillanimity

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