The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-01 00:00:00

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The House having EMIe into a Committee of Supply,
Mr. Iteitt,tlitn in the Chair.
Li rd CASTLEREAOH rose. The length, he ob-
serre.l, at which the attention of the House had been
already called to this subject. and the many topics that
had harm already introduced into the debate, rend:wed
it titan. se%sary for him to trespass much upon their time •
he would, therefore, bring the stibjeot lie had to lay he.
f,re carat imp as narrow a compass as possible. The only
spusstion 'Ton which the Hon*• li,ol now to deliberate,
aml he considered that it was one independent of any
question of rant or innocence, was. what was the proper
tin:intim) of allowance for her Majesty ? Under all the
circumstances. he thotwist that a liberal ()minium was
necessary ; and he could therefore not view it as a ques-
tion of economy, butt as one in which her 519esty was
to he considerid 'as Queen Consort. In looking, how-
ever, to her 31ajesfy in this light. he wished the House
to view the provision as made for a Queen Consort se-
r.icated from her husband. Her Majesty had been long
to tf:at situation. in that situatioarovision bad been
iwyrtofore matte for her which was recognised by his
late Nlajesty ; and lie apprehended that the House, in
the lineation in this point of view, would con-
sider !ter Maietty as not living within the court of her
husband, and therefore not liable to that expense which
v.tottits he required if she had Po resided. He could
froely admit that her Majesty reqhired an establishment
to her rank, birth, arid situation ; but that ester
I.lisliment would necessarily be dinsinisied by the cir-
I Mll•Oattre to which he bat.l just alluded. Culler her
in:stria:re treaty her Majesty would he entitled to a dower
:41.000/. a year: and he apprehended, that she being
row in a Feral-ate state, the same sous would he sttfficient
that had been calculated for her support in a state of wi-
dowhood. To this sum he conceived her Majesty to be en-
titled. In Ihl4, she being then Princess of Wales, and B-
ain:: separate from her husbandmarliatnent had thought it
right to settle that sum upon her in lien of dower; and
thongh she had not made ose of the full amount then
granted, it was thought fit that it should be given to her
fur her life as Princess of Wales, to sane parliament the
iluty of again reverting to the sulsject after the
dentise of.tite crown: and hit were not given to Coe
Queen for her own life, It was in the possible expects.
tion that something =tight error to render it neressaoy
to alter that arrangement. Looking at all the circun~
stances, he saw nothing to render it necessary to make any
alteration in the pernalary arrangement then made. It was
upon thicpti nciple that while bet 1111weywas at St .onaere
au offer had bees made to her of 30i0M. a year; and under
her Majesty's circumstances of separation, he considered
it a fair and liberal grant, and relit sidricient for her
support. On these (moils, and dunking it better to

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tontine it to a general principle, be would, within* for-
titer observation. move that this sum of 150,01191, a year ,
be granted to her Majestyl and whether this proposal
met with her Majesty a views or not, he fully concurred
with the Len. Member for Bristol (Mr. Wight), that
this, as a settled sum. should be lodged in the Exche-
quer, to boreadr whenever her Majesty phased to call
for it. Ills lordship concluded by moving a sresialetion
that there be granted to her Majesty a sum hot exceed-
iug 50.0001. a year for her life.
On the question being put,
Mr. S. WORTLEY rose. lie said that it was with
diffidence be disagreed with the Noble Lord is the
amount of the sum proposed for her Majesty's use; but
there were some circumstances in the conduct of her
Alajesty which made bins think that so large a saes
ought not to he granted. Ile did not view this as
I question of mere economy, nor did be speak of it with
respect to her 3lajesty's guilt or innocence; but be her
guilt or innocence what it might. be thought that the
language that her 31:1!esty laszl been advised to use in
her answers to some addresses, and particularly in her
letter to the King, had made it unsafe for her Majesty
to he intrustrcruith the management of so larg- a sum.
—(clear, hear, hear.)—it was the duty of the House of
Commons to see that the money it voted was properly
applied ; but he defied any matt of consases sense to say
that the language her ntjesty had been advised to hold
on the occasions to which lie alluded was not calculated
to overturn the governewnt.—(ilear. beor,lrots t1;.4 op-
position, answ-red lie sini.la- cheers from the minis.
term! a• on this account that he was
wilting that a stun b•ss than that proposed should he
granted to her lajesty but if it were granted by the
House, he thought the Queen ought to look upon k 611 a
matter of grave and favour.—(Hear, hear.) Be agreed
with the Noble Lor I that the House ought to conciliate
the peace cl the cosintry.—(Cheers from both rides.)
He was anxious that the country shonld retnru to peoce.
lie was not now disposed to move MS amendment, how•
ever Ise might individually differ as to the
amount propued, as another opportunity would omit-
of introditring the snhject ; but he did not think that
he should liars performed his duty if he bad not held
out some of the language used in the answers of her
Majesty, be had almost said to the indignation of the
House.—(('beers).
Lord .1. HISS)LL expressed his surprise at what had
just fallen from the Hon. Menilver. It was to bite mat-'
ter of astonishment that any man should reproach her
Majesty on the ground now taken up, recollecting the
severity of the trials she had had to endure. There, was
looVever, some precedent for the conduct pursue( by the
lion. Member for Yorkshire, and also for the language
used he a Worthy Alderman (Hevgate) op a recent occa-
sion. That precedent he foetid in the time of Henry
Vlll—(Hear, hear.) —1 It that reign the sycophants of
the Court were anxious to amid a liatever weight belonged
to them to the chat grs already brought against Queen
Catherine, and, among others, she was accused by
Cardinal Wolsey of having conciliated the affections
of the people : one iteresation to that effect was actually
drawn up against her by Wolsev it was, that " Whereas
she ought rather to pray to God to bring this matter to a
good conclusion, she seemed not nt all serious; and that
she might corrupt the people's affection to the Kipp she
sliewed herself much abroad, tatisl by civilitiesand gra-
cious bowing her head, o bids had not beets her custom
formerly, did study to work upon the people." Now
could any man doubt that whatever. might hare been
Catherine's inclinatiotrs, she hail other and *traig sup-
port besides popular favour: the Pope was en her side;
as well as the Ltuperor Charles ; but who was there to
whom her present Majesty colald appeal?—(Cheetra.).-
Iler father hail fallen in defense of his errantry; her
ii-
lustruo* brother had yielded his life in the muse Mower-
able career. To whom then could she look for support
and assistanre? Itr istaintakwd that it was a total want
of all generous feeling to attribute it is her Majesty as
a crime, she having wialsid for the sapped oftbe people.
—(clear, bear')
After a few words from Ablernian C. SMITU, which
were wholly inaudible in the tiallery,
Mr. BUMF. rose amidst mine expressions of impati-
ence, and defended the answers of her Majesty I. the
addresses. They Isere constitutional truths, and he did
not expect some"llonnurable Meashers to ashuiro them.
The expressed sound 'morality, and were emulate,. with
the Christian Religion.
Mr..STICART WORTLEY observed, that so far from
being constitutional truths, he considered them 011ii-
tIOUS libels. and he said he should give notice, when the
House resumed, of his intention to address the King,
to lay the Qtterti's letter before the House.
Mr. MARTIN (of lialway) assured the home, upon
his honour, that it was impossible to vindicate the an-.
Image of the Quern's addresses.—(lleur, road laughter.)
lier Majesiy, no doubt, was irritated and ill sivised ;
but she did much mischief where she intended to do
gaud.—(Hear.)-1 le would prove to the home that else
worst timing time Queen had ever done was when she inter-
fered the other day to save some persom who was 111P11-
teneed to tie Inowed.—(Much laughter.)—The Queen
had done wrong in writing directly to the King upon
that subject.—(llere the noise prevented our hearing the
hon. member distinctly ; all we could catch was. that her
lajesty might first to have gone to the Recorder.)
Lord #.11:10N, stills a view to alleviate, rather than
increase the pain felt by the parties, implored his Floe.
Friend [Mr. Wortley] not to per 4st in the awation which
lie had intimated his intention to make. The opposing
sentiments of any two Members were not se tit
ground for the house to call upon the King for the
production or a letter.
' Mr. STI'ART WORTLEY expressed himself will*.

to forego his intention.
Lord STANLEY said the grant of 34h4W*. was not
connected with a Palace, which the late Queen enjoyed.
Loral CASTl,Eltb:Atill saidk the marriage treaty
signed by the Queen, when Princess of Wale*, gave her
for dower 50,000/. There wa. no Pe'are. The Palace
*puled on her late llajesty was giver by hoer", peat
truth the Crown.
Mr. li. SUAINF:R opposed the atnnant of the grant,
as being too much. Ile had been informed that the
Queen, sinner she had been in this country, had paid no
tradesmen's bills. It was necessary that a modals 'should
he made for an account of the sums drawn by the Owes
since she had been in this country. It was frameable
to conclude, if the Queen had not paid her bills, that
the money bad been empinyesi for the worst purposes.
A part ot'il had been applied perhaps to enable the se-
ditions press to circalat.s daily poison into the pablic
mind. fifty thousand panda was more than the Queen
was entitled to, after having been separated twenty
years from her husband. The Hon. Member then pro-
posed all amendment, viz. to leave out 50,0140/. and in-
sert 30,000/.
Dr. I.CSIIINt/TON remarked, in teems sl vehement
reprehension, on the conduct of the lion. Menefee for
Surrey, who had (harmd to say that the Queen bad hewn
proves! guilty of adultery. When he beard opinions of
this kind pronontscatl, he sletiared, on his eswiscieace,
that he thought the Quern would bare mere jar
tire if she were tried by twelve convicted felons, peel&
ell that a judge presided, who was not s for
legal tergiversatson than by Oldie who we:lstperraosswe
sentence upon her without hearing a syllable of her de-
fence. He v 114111.1 like to know bow the Repsourahle
Oentleman ettahl know that the Queen's advisees did not
reserve some evidence of the Queen's innocence t, pm
does at the bar of the House of CallieDooll, tiff tempo*
best known to themselves, and which would
thrown all imputation against her. He w
' to bear it asserted in that noose, that it ----
on her Majesty to prove her innocence,

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