The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-02-18 00:00:00

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HOUSK OF CUIIIMQN:I.
General TuottNTos rode, far the 'purpose 4 sratiag to
the Home, that When hivasittloa for the Repent of po march of
the Acts of she 15th awl "ilk of Cbaites 11. as made is Pe-,
enmity for Members of Pjarliavarns had whet. to sone, that.
the service of theChareb slitosse aao dasonoble am* idoborops.
.4bat
los. Ike. came before them.-he seas Notions thrre f wield be e'
academe of Irish Member.. Bet ss he anderviosid that it
II rdsvidance of Gradeaseo from ohm Coosstry was out e spree-
wad after Kamer. Me 'lnlaid pawpaw the eowderhtfoo of
speak* astll Thursday the Mb of April.
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Woks, view die ilt George M. "sifith prqvi.led fur tit
regWeviag of tee Daalisioas. op Is she latest period at which
moist have bees. reerived.—Ordered.
kr. LUSHINGTON presented- the Pape relative to the
Itarssion Loan.

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Ordered to lie oa the table.
PRICE OF GRAIN.
It was ordered. that ti.,. e be laid !whore the nacre an ac-
count of the oterage wit 4') lir Wheat. Out., and Mir;et in
Litetaiwt for the year NIL dirtingaishiwy the sever* (Via Ffrrk.
RESIUNLRATION OF THE Httill KAILIF.F OF
WESTMINSTER. FOIL THE EXPENCE Of ELEC-
TIONS.

Mr. MARSH ma notice, that he would, on Fri-
day neat, move that a sum of money by voted by the
Home to the Uigh Bailiff of Westminster, as a re-
muneration for certain expences incurred by him at
some late Elections.
Os, the motioti of Mr. LUSIIINGTON the AA.
noel Indemnity !tin wax read a fiat time, and or-
dered to be read a ceroorl time 0-morrow.
' Sir G. WARREN DELL presented the Nary Esti-
mates for the yea/ 1818.
Ordered to lie on the table.
corroN sPINNERS.

Sir ROBERT Pk:El; wished to inform the Holmes
that he did not intend to refer the Petition of the
persons engagiP.: in the Cotton Manufactories, relative,
the regulation of their hours of %4 ark, ton Com-
mitter., as he at first proposed to do. He feared that
if the Petition were sent to a Committee it would
occasion too greet • delay ; he should therefore on
Thursday nest, move for leave to bring i►► a Bill for
the redress of the grievances of which the Petitioners
complainvd
Mr. CURWEN was pleased to see that the Hon.
Baronet (Sir R. Peel) intended to bring the matter
to a speedy conclusion. It was necessary that some-
thing should be done with the Petition, as at present
there was match confusion created among the Pro-
prietors of mensesetories, as they aid sot well know
what line of conduct to purser.
Mr. LyrrEuros gave notice that he would, on
Tuesday, the 3d of March, lay before the House cer-
tain Resolutions concerning the Lottery.
Mr. CALCRAFT moved the Speaker should is-
see his warrant for a new Writ far the election of a
Member for the Borough of St. Albans, in the room
of Joseph Halsey, Esq. deceased.—Ordered.
Mr. If. RUMN ER postponed his motion for the
production of the Accounts of the townie and Es-
'peoditure of the City of Loudon, until this day
week.

Mr. HAMMERSLEY presented a Petition from
Francis Frauco and others, of Lotabird-street. He
stated to the House that he ryas totilty ignorant of
the truth of the allegationacontained in the ilet.tion,
het he Clooght au enquiry lute the matter was ne-
cessary.
The Petition was read, and stated that the Peti.

tioners were the representativn of ..-- Dubois and
others, who weir, previous to the late Revolution in
France, creditors of the French"Governmenc to an
immense amount. • That at the COntention of 1815

it WO been arranged that their claim was to he se.
(prided to, but since that period they bad not receiv-
ed • single shilling of what was dee to them. The
Petition concluded by preying the interference of
the House in their case.--Ordered to lie on the
table, and to be printed.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE.
Mr. M. ANGELO TAYLOR. begged the atten-
tion of the House to the consideration of the very
important ssbject of which he had gi►en notice fur
that day. It was impossible but that the House
should feel.the necessity of that consideration, when
it was recollected that the evil which it was his ob-

jest to redress, excluded from the ordinary Admini-
stration of Execrative Justice four Counties in Eng-
land. it most be acknowledged that such an evil
called for amendment, and it was ender the impres-
sion of its magnitude that he called for the support of
the House in procuring that amendment. In all the
other counties of England Commissions of General
Jail-Delivery and Nisi Pr•ias were held twice every
year; in Ireland they were held twice; in the Prin-
cipality of Wales twice; in Scotland twice, and even

in that country, on extraordinary occasions, prison-
ers were brought up for trial to the High Court at
Edinburgh. The counties of Durham. Northum-
berland, Westmorland, and Cumberland, with the,
County end Town of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, form-
ed the sole exception in the United Empire. On
what principle an evil, thus impeding the administra-
tion of justice, was so long continued, he was wholly
at a loss to account. Their population was eaten-
sis° end increasing; they... Contained within them
large trading and commercial towns, enjoying an in•
tercoorse with every pert of the world. He
feared that they could not chain a greater exemp-
tiou from the commission of offences ,then the ethic
counties of England, and the'rifore irises, that they
ought to paws° equal advantages in the speedy ad-
ministration of justice. There were persons now
'confined in thw prisons of these counties whbse trials,
would be pottponedt not to the Spring, hat to the
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The Civil Ceases in these counties were net trivial
either iw'nensber or form. in Durham Alone, at the
Ihet Codivnission of Nisi Pries, there were filly causes.
On the list. If the accounts that he hold some dar.
ego moved for were on the table, the Iloesw•wOud
feel that the evils arising from an obstruction to.jus
dieial business was progressive every year. Even is
She oftticiry proceedings of an ejectment beliees
landlord and tenant, an interval of three years, would
-elapse before the landlord would be in possession of,
his property. It might be said, wler bed not repre.
orotatioes been made by the parties suriesed ? The
411111•11*, elff, that :Bole who felt that grievance moat
soveretrwere either disloclinedby the berry of other
IMAM*, or the anxiety to return to their private
Parreiti ; such, for example, was tie case with
Grand Juries. The prisoners themselves' could
be expected to do 'little. They might apply to
the Secretary of Ste,- for the flume Depart-
ment on their indiiiidual sufferings. lie would
1 Pifer them to the ordinary tribunals, or they might
slyest to that House by petition. What chance of
correction had they here, unless us prayer was backed
byliigh authority. The House should remember hoW
little alive men in general were to those ordinary im-
pediments of justice. There must be some specific
I suffering to attract public consideration. Men most
writhe ender the sense of the pain before they are
aroused to complaint; and indeed; iii many in-
stances, they feel the pressure without thinking of
"plying for the remedy. What a number of years
were suffered to elapse before ens step was takers to
ellatedy the evils arising from the system of our Ap-
peal Causes, and the delays in the Court of Chancery.
Every man felt the injury the administration of
Julioe sustained in Ohs. point 4, yet' how long had
Met subject slept, until t e had the honour of first in-
teodecing a specific proposition in amendment to the
consideration of that House.. lie felt it was urine-
-1 oassary to state more at present to the House, in
order to induce it to take steps for correcting so gross
lan coil. The great question was, as to the remedy.
,It was impossible, after a system of abase had for
, years coniitided, not to feel every step in your per-
suit of correction surrounded with difficulties. Bet
;io looking for a practical remedy, he hail first to re.
quest the House to l'ent'l on the great increase in
oar population, egricolture, and commerce since the
1 'vigil Of Etizsbeth, and tfien to ask itself whether, if
twelveJodges were then necessary the to administration
of Public Justice, some relief ought not to be now
aillogilled to the urines Coverts of Lew, in the dis-
' pont of tl.e vest increase of public duty that had since
taken uho e Ile would not uillingly destroy the
efficacy of the charm which some might think esisted
hi the term of the T we! ye Judges,alitioush he denied
that suds a coneitution of ti,n Judicial Courts was
obsolete. The lkii. Member then reviewed the
hßrowing business for souls years past in the Courts at
Westminster, arid the necessity butts in the King's
Ben; h, and the justification of bail, and in the Esche-
quer, iris its equity side, to make recent legislative
enectr.;eitts fir the relief of these Courts. It .was a
lamentaSle fact, that the Sessioris as the Old Bailey,
Which in former times commenced every eight weeks,
on a Wednesday, and terminated on the succeeding
Saturday, now lasted on the alerage for a fortnight,
while there were instances of longer duration, and of
the Recorder and Common Ssrjerrot, to whom the
business, from the necessary absence of the Judges,
at one time devolved, arid who were most active and
nesilent Magistrates, being obliged, to call in the
aid of the Chairman of Middlesex, on the trial of
Traverses. The Crown, by virtue of its presogritire,
could direct Commissions of Jail Delivery to be held,
bet w ii hout a lesislativeenaci meat, f r ens the attendant
expense, Commissions of Assize and Nisi Prius
triplet not be directed, as no persons, could be ap-
pointed below the rank of a Serjeant at IA w. It
must be in that House, thr rt fore, the Bill must ea.
gioate, as it was a Money Bill. Ile would now pro.
coed to state the plan which ',mitred to I,im a. the
most feasible, with a view to furnish the means of
remedying the evil in question. There was an officer
in the Court of Eschequer called the Coritor Baron.
The present Cursitor Baron, ilsron Al iseres, was a
sound lawyer, arid a man of grest science.—[llear,
laear!]—liis situation, however, was one that af-
forded him considerable leisure, in proof of which it
was enough to state, that he had for a time acted es
Deputy Recorder of London. In fact all he had to
do was, when the Exchequer Barons came into the
Court to be sworn in, to make a handsome bow to
them arid retire. What he (Mr. T.) proposed was, to
make this office effective—to make the Cursitor
Baton of the Exchequer forthcoming (if he might so
express himself), to take his turn for the Assizes,
and to take the roster at the Old Bailey. For these
duties he might be allowed an additional salary of
three thousand pounds,-.and the arrangement would
afford a substantial relief to the Judges. He had
-smother proposition to Mike. Last year a Bill pissed
so enable one of the Judges of the Court of King's
Bench to hold a Court by himself, for hearing the
justification of bail. It might be proper to have a
Curator Judge of the Court of King's 13!oche who
should take the whole of the bail daring Term, and
be, in fact, an effective ledge for the Old Bailey,
for Nisi Prier, sod the Assizes, though not in bloc.
As it weer the Term by no means afforded rime suffi-
cient for the business which was to be got through,
and the Judges were compelled to r,sort to a satiety
of expedient's to supply the deficiency, so that the as:
sistence of these two persons would be highly vale-
able to them. The ',boycott of the plea would he
trilling, itindeed !Spence were to be at all put its
competition w 4 tittesiip of the present system, by
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4 by law. lie Irid haw* it uniskl. het
.mot -.oppose it possible, that itlwwwithe olissisiter
vilawls part of those persons in RAM in Ihs Mud*
eamion, w4O hod to ootottlitie I tiollph4; aid
w bow ws pence' would, therAtrw, kdNNsdt shoed*
alhAmiaes.there.be put meths some 441,101 es is the
isjimr part of the kingdom. Ile sae pomaded Abet
8011, lowa,. of the Counties weelaimet sank' tech**
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be glad 1•400-14* Jollo6,filottlOW 4 tow. aliter
a variety of ,forthee olmerratione., etsievcittg. his peer
position, mid stating that shook! thmittale.tortio Ito
his motion, im,vepteresi to, hope thwelaslaiitht have
some eummeaigatien on the sebjeet with. Govern.
ment, and esprrif 111 the Law °Genii, of the Crown,
in r•der to escertaie how 'be spnlesnOight be best
arranged, the lien. and Lamm& elnilientau ton.

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.4 That an hum leas be plaesaM 4a. ti• RwAllOgilk
am the Prisons ffsriW. playinta that heistaald ha. asseioN.ia
pleased In issue his -Ettnis.iiia of 0 ref and' Terminer 'tad Par
areal JgA Pellvrry, for the Cotsasies nt Iffeiifmortaild cam.
herlond. literhstai. and Northumberland, and the :.• lain*
calatv ttf Nearsplle-ui -Tyne, t
n-a his Cingmi.sion of A•size and
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The ATTORNEY-GENKI
enter into all his honourable
arguments, but to espies: his
stated snmg specifiC propositi
been a fit subject of considered
Before so great an alterationio
tution as that suggested were at
undergo the. most deliberate ins
jetted to.the motion, because it
dnne suddenly, which, it done
(lobe with great caution; ea
emergency existed that required
to be taken on the subject. ' 'Qt_ 4.
,mean,
to say, OM after due conalitehtlen siigfß
deeme4 advisable to adopt some arrangement, by
which the four Norttirrn Comities might he put ott
the same foot' tut as the rest of the kingdom, but he
could ri''' consent to the hasty proposition of his
Honourable and Learned Friend ; and he should
therefore move the previous quistion.
Sir C. MONCK tho 'glut the, honourable end
Learned Gentleman could not„ have understood the
nature of his Hoe. and Learnefl.fritosraipeosasmir
tion. His hoe. andteirned Friend had not argued
that there was any sudden occasion fur a departure
from the established law and usage of the land ; he
hail only stated what was notorious to every body,
the grievances under which the four Northern Comi-
ties had bug laboured. The purity of pis ice its
F:egland was the theme of general and jest admire-
tint, ; bat it should not be forgotten, that prompti-
tude was an essential part of the administration of
justice. The inhabitants of the 'Northern Counties
s ;tiered sufficient inconvenience in other respects its
con.equence of their distance from the metropolis,
•ithoet the disadvantage in question. Why should
not the Ass:zes be es freqeent in those counties as in
Cornwall, which was as distant front London ? So
far was he from agreeing with the Attorney-General
that his honourable and Learned Friend's proposi.
tion was too great a departure from the ordinary
course ..f the administration of justice, that be wish-
ed that proposition ha,: teen more simple anti direct.
He wished it had been merely to address the Prisms
Regent to extend the usual Assise Commivion in
spring to the Northern Counties, which was now
confined to York and laucaster. ,When be recol4
1 )(vied, how easily the house had the other eveniing
voted 400,0001. to , purchase the Abolition of the
Sieve Trade from Spoilt, he could not• believe that
they would hesitate io granting the trifling sum that
would be necessary in order to defray the espence of
communicating to the four Northern Counties the
blessings of 'quid justice ; and he thought that if they
agreed to the previous question moved by the lion.
and Learned Gent. opposite, they would be guilty of
a gross dereliction of duty.

.Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that the ob-
jection to the motion was, that the Bosse could not
be suddenly prepared to venture on an Address to
the Crown, which must of necessity occasion a very
extensive change in the composition of all the Courti
in Westminster-Hall. For one, he (Lord Castle-
reagh) felt ;site incompetent to determine on the
probable advantages or disadvantages of the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman's plan ; end he apprehended
that the House at large must be pretty much in the
same situstiou. He imagined that the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman had attained the object he
had in view, namely, calling the .akeetion of the
Hoes. to the subject. On the importance of it he
by no means differed from him. It was certainly es-
tremely desirable, that all the inhabitants of the
kingdom abOuld equally enjoy the benefits of the
administration of justice ; bat to decide on the beet
mode of effectiag this benefit, required more Woe..
motion thin the House at present possessed. If the
110‘ourable and Learned Gentleman had moved for
no enquiry, as in the cue of %Video, be should have
had no objection to the ploposition—f Hear, hear 1.1,
—but be was fur jumping to the cuoclesion •at-this
very onset.
Air. M. A. TAYLOR said, be bad brought
ward his motion, in order that the subject mlght•h•
discussed.; and whether it was discussed in thsrpre.
sent, shape, or soder that of a motion. for en.
gait], was .to him indifferent. With the ;math..
sion of the Bosse, therefore, ha wad witedraw•his
motion.

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