The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-03-27 00:00:00

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One hundred Stesobers. as some hall calculated, fig
Engkied and Ireland wonld he remelted by the Catho-
EL. ; granting. for the sake of argnatAit, but he shoo!!!
lave to reeal this presently (Or a different purpose, that
tee object of such Menthes, sisould be to overturn
the Established Church. Now hoe WWI this to be ac-
complished ? nese, by the force of argnment ; se-
condly, by force of numbers; and thirdly. by force
shine. Isaw, in the first place, the eloqueisee of these
tlentlemen must be of no common order, if they could
satisfy that House that it was better to upset that esta-
blishment under which religion had retained its most
amiable characteristics unimpaired, in order to raise
up an establishtnent of magnificence for upholding
mitred popery; would not such a proeosition, or even
a motion for a mere scrap of paper connected with it
inert with an opposition of the most overwhelming
nature? With respect to the force of their numbers
that would also be destroyed in the result of the last
proposition. Then came the possibility of accomplish-
ing their abject by physical force. Anti this reminded
him of An lion. dlensber, who, on a former occasion,
Was for getting rid of some of Dr. Patty's arguments,
by throwing them into the fire. Bat Henry VIII., in
a dispute with a Learned Doctor in Westminster Ab-
bey, argued snitch better, and exemplified the doctrine
e 1 force much better than even the Hon. and Learned
3lember for he said when be found the Doctor, not
very compliant—" I tell yon what Doctor, 111 throw
you iota the fire."—(t laugh.) But if force was
likeiv to be resorted to, it would be in that House.
ifas it not then better to admit them into it, in order
to calm those ebullitions which otherwise might there.
after break forth? That of the Catholic was the only
interest which was not represented in Parliament. The
very first oath which a Member of this House took.
ti;.; an open declaration of hostility towards them.
Pe.tce the Catholic there, and they woad hear no more
tier: ata of force. It often happened, that in the
zeal of individuals to discover imaginary evils
or dangers, they entirely looked over real ones.
So it Was with regard to the present Bill. He
believed that a Catholic Speaker alight sit in
their Chair will t incurring any !senility what-
ever. That palladinm cf the British Constitution, the
oath against trarsubstantiation—was directed to hr
admitted as follows : "After the election of a Speaker,
a considerable number of Members being present, each
en-oilier shall take the oath against transubstantiatisia
standing at the table, the Speaker sitting in the
itair." Now, how the Speaker was to take the oath,
unless lie could stand at the table, and sit in the chair
at the same time. lie was at a loss to conceive. This
was a danger which. in the case of the Bill not Iwitig
-owed into a law, Honourable Members would do well
•
to provide against, fur lie really considered it to he
our equal in magnitude to any of those which Ceeir
imaginations hail conjured up.—(.t lams t h.)—Appre-
hen -hens of the most serious nature were etitertaine•l
when the admission of officers of the navy anti army
was first brought forward in the House. But hail any
Nan ever entertained the slightest apprehension since
those coucessiona were made? It st as thought that
hi% Hun. Friend brought forwaril his amendment, be-
cause a similar one had hero fatal to another measore
out a former occasion. Speaking his own sentiments.
—and upon this point be it understood, lie was not
speaking those of a single iodividnal batistes himself.
to his knou ledge, but, speakiug his own sentiments,
lie did think that whatever ticcis' the House might
collie to upon this immediate quention, it olight not to
be fatal to the Dill. His opinion was, that in wls st•
ever form, it ought iuu some one or whey to pass that
House. lie had no fear for the extension of the Pa-
pist power among our colonies. The Right
sientlernan then proceeded to deny the interference of
the Bill with Ecclesiastical office. His Right lion.
Friend hal said that the reeogniti an of Popish !distorts
was new to the Constitution. To refute this assertion,
LI would refer to an Act of the Ith of King William,
by r. Web it was enacted as lotions :—.• Whereas. &r.
Ise. Whosoever shall prosecute any of the said
Papiali Bishops to ronYictiort, shall have a reward to
lOW., and the Bishop perpetual imprisonntent.•' Was
roet this a recognition of Popish Bishops?—(A
laugh.) —This Act was repealed by t!•e• Lath of George
111 . and the Popish Bishops tleea, as now. existed at
iee.riect liberty. Was he to be told that certain Pries;-
refused to accept these enactments r It there were styli,
'.et them come there. He could respect the aanetity
rhieh attached to the character of a Clergyman, what-
ever difference of creed might exist between them. But
he knew of nn protert ion Which could enable him to
eon', there with impunity to beard the Parlimnent,
tell them th.ll hit tenold nut submit to their enactments.
kllwers.)—lle carnal not if Dr. Mil ter el -there,roaring
in one of his own la oy.ll.)—Le trusted the
Ilion.eattli!,{ go on, Iterellesel dam' threats or representa-
tion), coming from parte, a who would lose every thing
by 10,,M.,4 their influence, if this Uneasily.. was carried.—
ktlear.; -11 e tritsieel th it no fear of that kind would
operate to induce the 'louse to refuse that al claim
to titrer share of the free franchises of the State which
the Catholic undeniably possessed. Be ilia not mean to
lit that in so 'Ming they would nut he etf.-eting a great
41,31110.1 important change ; but it was a change not of
ilr'lre:'sieen• flee long anti patient struggle to obtain
this concession. would make the change operate like a
measure of maturity, anal render it free fr the ilittieul-
•'es of precocious rexis!euce. It would create that good
will amongst turn, that union, harmony, anal peace
s.hich wir so desirable upon every account. He had
fallen upon perilous tunes, and if in the stormy season
there was one gleam of sunshine, let them not hose the
oppurtunity of profi;ing by it, lest they should leave to
Ihrinielves nothing bait what must ensue from disap-
pointment and despair.—(Lund anti continued cheers).
Mr. Itßicirr and Mr. N. Davis sopported the amend-
ment, but amidst so much noise in the Boum: that
their arguments motel not be collected.
Sir T. ACI.AN ID warmly supported t!te Dill, re-
Vetting at the mime time, that he felt himself obliged
sa far to differ from a great portion of his constituents,
for whose opinions, upon all occasions, he had the
.h.l4l.est respect.
Sir F. BLAKE supported the or;ginal motion.
tiRATI'AN rose to expr.)ss his disapprobation
of the proposition made by the Member for Corfe
Castle. The arguments of Oentlemett who o; patted
e Kill were not a.•plied to Catholics of the prevent
‘4').- I'm the Itionau Catholics of form r times. On the
11:11 then before the House depended the harmony and
Happiness of the country. 'I lie Honourable Mover of
the aleeiteltnent had made out no case. the Bon.
.51"uiber looked into history, he would have found
ts3t the Catholies had formerly done touch for their
"Thtry, and they might reasonably suppose they
""';'d in future do much more. 'l'hr Bight Honour-
"r
*Mil"
for Liverpool had stated in a manly way.
'lll r4lritn. mem was to•t to be stopped in its legista

dam by /Ise alassour occasioned by the qus4bas win
was, or was not received at Roam. They bad to con-
sider whether the Roman Catholic's of Ireland :Aire nut
sobjert to heavy reetrietionia and laws whie% were •
disgrace to tAristianity at well as humanity. If a
man win liable to restrictions in roasequeureM his re-
ligious feelings, he could not be said to enjoy liberty ;
he was under a persecution, which injured Morality.
It was the duty of the House to prevent the operation
of these restrictive laws. Protestants and Catholirs
shook' equally partiripate in rivil rightm. The lion.
Member concluded by expressing a sincetati hope the
Bill might pass.
Mr. T. WILSON, amidst loud clamour for the
question, said a few words in support of toe amend-
ment. _ _

The Committee then divided--
For Mr. Ha okes's 111
Against it 413

Majority l4
On the gallery being opened, Mr. PEEL stated
that it was his intention to wove in the Committee,
that the exception with respect to the oath which ap-
plied to the Lord High Chancellor should extend to
Privy Councillors and Judges. Ile was not then
prepared to make the motion. hut in ease the Chair-
man reported progress he could mibtisit it to-neorrou
—(A cry of "Go on! ga on !" other suites exclaiming,
" Adjourn." )
Mr. W. WI-NNE s oiol a few words supporting the
proposition for reporting progress.
Mr. 110UL111.11N then stated, that it was his in-
tention to noire, to except Governors of Colonies.
The clause allowing Catholics to appoint Prutestan t
deputies was then agreed to.
Mr. GOULIII.KN immediately after, moved " The
Chairman do report progress, and ask leave to sit
again this day."
Dr. Pill LI MIME urged the House to proceed.
Mr. 11. SUMNER said, as the Honourable 31con-
her who had an important motiosi to make, was not
then prepared, the Goose in candour ought to allow
the ChairMAll to report progress.
Dr. PIIILIMIME explained.
Mr. WE !MEL!. supported the proposition for
reporting progress.
Mr. PEEL obs‘.rved, that the proposition he ha I
to make was this : the Hill of Rights had declared it
expedient that this country should be governed by a
Protestant King, and the question he load to submit
to this Huns.• tow., whether a Protestant Nwt- should
Le adriscol by l'opi‘le Conusellor. ? It was a line-s-
cion of some importance, and he expressed a hope
that the llonse would not ;hen proceed farther iu the
Committee.
A conversation then twined between Mr. 'flcooNtv.
Sir Joux Nt.wrionr, Sir GEotooic 'limo and Mr.
llo: o oft lox, upon the quevison of Asijournment.
The tomb ))) was tutu agr .'1,'41 to, the Cu %110114 V re-
pried progress,and olotainrol leave to sit *poi:: this slay.
On the Order for the thirst reading 14 the Witch.
craft Bill, Lord C sSTLini:ll:ll °loser% ed, t:sat toidosig hi
was a proper hour f sr reading sncio a
The Moose .tsljourned at half-ioasl t clic to*, luck.

I utrlii zener front tli.• Austrian armies is expected
routeto more simt Iv to Paris, ist einssequence of the
..1 ;aril.% in Pieilitiont. All letters that pass
throatek.Catio ;or %ivy', ill the- PerfrlPllPPnrlft vimiergt.
a a!i.l .Instri.in Collider" therefore are
(~ r rtor circuitous route of the Tyrol.
.1.1•*!•: cirritilistati, e may account for the delay of the
late
.101% ices from llrrhirr, dated relsritary 3, hare been
rvc.•ive I whir , we are happy tal state, enable
to contradict the account brought by the ship
lirothin k, of the death of Sir John Cameron. The
Brothiwk !Lille.' suit the 2:01, of January, an.l the letters

stating the motioned goof' health of the amernor,peo
tempoo, (Sir J. ('anwron) being of so !Ate a dials as
the 3.1 of Vehritary.
Bac s 413.4. M save 18.—The ship Ito r,•Fa. Capt.
Hatch, silted from Niewl art on the loins, w;tle a
large cargo of oar national ns itinfACtortB for the
Mack Svas, to renew vour commercial c..unection.
whi,•ll have been ioterropted fur erten ries. This
vrsvel is one of several which the merchants of
Bruges intend to send to the ports of the Black Sea.
This attempt to open a new channel to our commerce,
is inns Is patronised by his 31ajesty. Paitbout
Van Marigny, our Vice Consul for the Black Sea,
goes on 1.0a..1 one of those vessels.
SoricTi. cos THE SUPPIIESPIfiN OW 31santi-ITT.-
I'ester.lay the ment!)ers of this iiistitittiust had their
.thhtt:il dinner at flag. London Tavern, Bis'aopsgate-
street. Royal !Ugliness the Duke of lurk, the
Patron of the Society, was the Chair. After dinner
the nsitai toasts were proposed by the Chairman, and
haul; %%it'll every mark of respell. In the course of
the ev.l:ing several sperc:ies, explanatory of the great
f the institution, were delivered by the Doke
of Nortlittotherlatol, the Earl of Darnley, the Earl of
Dar toontli, Mr. M.P. &c. The compaPy was
very respectable.
B .ts rot., Matte,' 24.-10 n Sunday evening last,
hetwe..ll seven and eight o'clock, Cow of the prisoners
eon:itsed in the New Gaol of this city; at Bathurst
Basin, and who hail h •en place(' in the hospital-wata.
contrived to thrts back the lolls-11.11s, awl, having
converted their sheets into and V.04.4* threw
them over the outer Mall ; ascewling by whirls, they
drew the hags to the top, and then them with-
in Ow wall, so as to afford themselves the means of
safe descent un the onts;.ile of the prison'. One of the
prison-dresses was foiticl in the Rope-walk. It is sail
that a b ,at was in waiting, by whirl. they crossed the
float to Canon's Marsh. 1 W.) won• were to have beets
of the party. beet they preferred an exit of perhaps
less risk, for liberty of longer probable duration.
A highly respectable gentleman of this city, whilst
labouring under the oppression of a severe sisetszal
affliction, result's' from the loss of the whole of his
property, throogh the unprincipled treachery of OUP
in whom he had confided as a friend. pot a period t
his existewe on Thorsilly last, in wighhottrlion,l
of Stapleton, by discharging the contents of a ,sisto;
thron:zh his heart. His holy was conveyed to di:.
Benin's, where it resseithseil at the period of qur in.
farnsation, for the Cuesteges. In inest.—(BeiAtof
eery.) in
Ili the rith alt. *Potence of die ire • was otoallletl
the Consixtessial Cmirt. against 1.1.1 y at ith..
suit of her beaked, lairotenste. lietsensr Jolla
Disyte, R. C. 11. fur an altilterosts intervoa:se,
with Oslo. P. Ortaiissis; oiCattleinagarrett.