The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-16 00:00:00

op his seat, but taking the situation without

want, he hail slid, that even if it were thought neceit-
sary that doing this he should give up his seat, eve**
then lie should wish to have the refusal of it. He said
this, bat be had gone no farther. On the present oc-
casion he must object to the appointment of his Hon.
Friend. It was a relief to him to know that no man
from character, talents, and habits of business, wr.,
fitter to act as a Commissioner than his Hon. Friend,
as this very circumstance proved that it tea, the prin-
ciple only to which he objected—the principle which
went not directly but indirectly to increase the in-
fluence of tl.e Crown in that [louse. It had been said
that this appaintment would !save no effect on his Ho-
nourable Friend. It might be so in his case, but as
he (Mr. Brougham) was of opinion that it would have
An influence on others, that was enough for him.
Mr. 61t1pFELL objected to increase the influence of
the Crown in that House, but in this case the appoint-
ment being but of a temporary nature, and the Hon.
Gentleman being only removable (when once appointed)
by the House, he should vote for the nomination of his
Non. Friend.

Dr. PHILI,I3IOItE thought if there ever had been a
case in which the Members of a Commission ought to
he strengthened by the authority of that House, this of
all others was that case. Hu could see nothing coo-
netted with that Commission that should induce them
to decide that the Commissioners should not be paid as
in all other cases. lie was of opinion that abler persons
than the Gentlemen named to be on the Commission
could not hare been selected.
Mr. BROWNLOW thought if the sense of the House
was taken on the name of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. F.
Lewis,) from an apprehension that:he might be unduly
influenced through serving on this. commission, that a
dieisiou ought also to be called for when the name of
the Vice-President of the Board of Trade was proposed,
unless it was assumed that he was already so bad that
he could not grow worse, which in Isis opinion it would
be most unjust and improper to affirm of any Member
of that lionse.—(A laugh.)-I{e should have great
plessuri in voting fur the appointment of the Honour-
able Gentleman.

Sir I. COFFIN offered a few remarks which were not
distinctly heard in the Gallery.
Sir C. LONG defended the selection of Commissioners,
described Mr. Lushington and Mr. Berens to have been
proved most competent by their past gratuitous services,
and anticipated is considerable diminution in the expense
of collecting the Revenue, and other beneficial results
from the appointment of the Commission.
Mr. ABERCROMRY objected to Members of Parlia-
ment being placed on the Commission, as to do this
went to create a new class of Officers in that House de-
pendant on the influence of the Crown.
Mr. CR.REVEV thought a great deal of time hail
been wasted in panegyric on his lion. Friend. With
his character lie had nothing to do, but lie must object
to the money of the Crown coining into the pockets of
Members of that blouse who were not actually in Office.
In the division of the preceding. night he had counted
forty-five Members who bad voted who had the money of''
the public in their pockets. lie objected to an appoint-
ment that went directly or intlirecily to extend the influ-
ence of the Crown, by giving the public money to Mem-
bers of that House.

Mr. W. SMITH objected to the insertion of the
name of his Honourable Frien:l in the Commission. It
was true that there was a great difference between a
situation like that which it was proposed tl►at his Ho-
nour ,:fie Friend should boll!, and one from which l►e
►night be removed by the Crown. Those situations
from which iudivitkals could not be removed were
more valuable than those which were of a different
character, and were consequently more likely to he
coveted, and therefore more likely to increase the in-
fluence of those who had them at their disposal.

Sir J. NEwPoRT defended the Commission, con-
sidered the Chief Secretary of Ireland ought by n •
means to be placed on i►, and wishing as he did t.•
curtail the influence of the Crown in that House, be
could not object to its temporary extension in this case,
when he contemplated the great benefit likely to be
derived from the exertions of Commissioners like those
who had now been named.

Mr. .9A BERM thought three Commissioners
would be sufficient. He was of opinion that more
ought not to he anointed than were necessary, and
would be content to ask Mr. Lushington and M. Be-
rens. if, with the assistance of another Commissioner,
they did not coercive they should be quite equal to the
task imposed on the Commission.

The -CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU ER thought
the Commission could nut be better formed than it
would he if the names which had been proposed were
agreed to. in naming those Gentlemen, the (Severn-
went had no object in view but to select those who
woi:lii most efficiently perform the ditty.
Mr. DEN AN called the attention of the Commit-
tee to a clause which gave the Crown the power of
tilling up any vacancy that migl►t occur by death or
otherwise. Looking at this, it would be seen that the
appointment (tithe Commissioners did uut rest wholly
with the House. Ile objected to the proposed appoint-
trt*itt of me Hen. Gentleman altogether.
ill.. HUTCHINSON, though as an Irishman he was
grateful for the appointment of such a Commission
under any circumstances, said it was impossible for him
to hesitate fur one moment in what way to give his
vote. He should vote against appointing his Hon.
Friend to he one of the Commissioners, be►ng now, as he
had ever been, anxious to diminish rather than to in-
crease the influence of the Crown in that House.
Mr. ARERCRONIBY thought if it was r 0: yet de-
cided what the number of the Commissioners should be,

that question ought to be disposed of before any names
were agreed to.
Mr, 13ROOnEN said no number was mentioned, but
five names had been submitted to the Committee.

Mr. MABERLY, on the namrs being read over,
moved as an amendment. " that the Commissioners
should consist of three tivitletnen to be named."

The Committee divided :—For Mr. Maberly's Amend-
ment, 23.—Agninst it. 61.—Majority 56.
The Amendment we. also moved. during the absence
of strangers from the liallery, for the exclusion of Mr.
Frankbind Lewi4's name, upon which the Committee
again divided :—Fur the Ameadumet, 31.—Against it,
77.—Majority 46.
A Cause was agreed to, after some conversation be-
Sweep Mr. Calcraft. Sir J. Newport. the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, Mr. Denman, Dr. PlsiMotors, kc.
for preventing the appointment of any Member of the
House of Commons, as a Commissioner. in cascara va-
cuity occurring. finerel other cleans wen thee•