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the people; that it bad lost it. chancier,
=v to
iola only be supported by the affection end re-
ed the public.
Lord I'OSTLEREMINI, to order, contended, t!iat the

010:11;ret—net-_waq now too late to Contesd that this te:.s.,

mg a libel ; the House ha., derided that qnestion.
Mr. agreed in opinion with the Nubie
144 but the Han. Baronet bad a right to urge a matter

BURDETT resumed.—He wonld not then et-
justify the publication new under consideration;
tat mast say that it was herd, when hundred. of ll-
has Wore ss eeistenee, that this alone should be selected 4
Many libels were to be Gland, reflecting on the House,
even in that pert of the Press immediately under tl.e
prolamin oftloverament. Hs would read one from The
Afindirig hie.
Mr. WYNNR rose to wder. He sable itted. that it was
regular in any Member to read or cite sae breach of
privilege is defence of another.
Sir V. BUKDE'TT did not inlaid to cite a breach
of privilege f he did not consider writing, either is news-
papers or pamphlets, ass breach of privilege. An inter•
rnption is the medial filiation. 'tithe House was a breach
of privilege. He bad beard nothing from the Hon. Ment-
her who called biro to order, which went to prevent his
reading • newspaper. Thedfonsiag Poo said—" Mr.
Bennett, last night, brought forward his motion on the
inked of the disturbed districts."—
Mr. BANKS rose to order. Lie contended that ii
was irregular fur the Hon. Member to read any thing
from seerepspers.
Mr. BROUGHAM, to order, could see no difference
between reeding from a pamphlet or • newspaper ; ane.
the-Hon. Member for Yorkshire had been permitted, fir
the purpose, of debate, to read from his pamphlet the
other night usinterrepted.
The SPEAKER said, be could sot draw a line be-
tween Pamphlets and Newspaper'. If the Hoe. Baronet
was sow about to read in extenuation, he most read
Wronger roars than those sow the subject of com-
plaint, which had been declared a libel. Reeding such
a passage costa not operate as an extemietion; it would
be a breech of privilege, and the Hon. Baronet, if he
read such passages. would be bound to cell the attention
of the House so the..
_ Mr. BANKS and Sir C. BURRELL mutually ex-

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Sir F. BURDIFFP said, if such was the decialon of
the Busse, it world be useless for him now to detain ;
them further; be would state his reason on the question
for munnsittal to Newgate, if that question should come ;
before them.
The Hoes. then divided oa Sir C. Burrell's Amend- ,
mut, 40—For the original Motion, !VS.
Mr. BARIVIST7' presented a Petition from Rochester,
sput the uwasturs now pending in Parliament.
Mr. C. CALVARY presented a Petition segued by ,
ROO peruse, from the Borough of Southwark, against
She Bills in prutress through the House, and praying
for the dismisaion of his Majesty's Ministers. lie
thought the Nesting at blaushester had been illegally
dispersed, and that the proceedings at that Meetiug
Tight not to be confoended with those of the Radical
aisteesees.
Sir R. WILSON spoke to the respectability of the
persons who had signed the Petition. They were the
friends of peace and good order, but also the friends of
Eberty, who, while they titi the Constitution, would
also stand up fpr the rights of the people. The Petition-
ers seer with horror the enactments in some of the Bills
tlaitly borrowed from what bail taken place in France
in the reign of Terror. It had been said by the great
Lord Chatham, that an Englishir.un's house was his ;as.
tie, and that the Riot csnir not, and dared not miter it ;
but, by the Rill before the House, the EniCietinsan's
castle was taken tansy. The t'rtitioo was then read and
laid or. the table.
A Messags from the Lo-de, informer! tl.e House that
tley Lai passel] a Eli' to prerrrt delay in case of 31;s-
deeneanor, to which they tie.iretl the concurrence of that
House. The Pitt was read a tint time, and ordered to
be read a semaial time on Wediseeday.

SJ r s ri y GI I.

Lord EAVTLFREAOI! mlved the Order of the Day
for the third goading of the Bill to preveut Sedatioms
Pfeetioga.
Lcrd it. fIAMILTON was compelled, with much re-
luctsr.e,, to rote for the Bill, in consequence of facts
cad circumstances known to himself. By voting for the
Lill then before the Howie, be neither assented to the
'other measures of Ministers, nor to all the statements
ens". had been made en the subject of the present Pill.
lie was curry to say, that the measures of Mini-teo
scented to he more adapted to increase the disatfection
than to relieve the distr.-,s. He felt himself imperiously
called upon to support the Bill, from the state of the um-
selector:or districts.
Mr. HUTI'HIPitiON regretted th-t the la:1 speaker
should have supported such a Bill. Fist hiawnelf, he had
no hesitation on the stillject, and should tote a;aitist
the third reading of the Pill. Ministers seemed to be
attested by a systematic intention to make tzar on the
liberties of mankind et large, awl were attempting to
execute at home what they had failed in abroad. Should
the House vote for the third reading of the Bill, be
should move that Ireland be exempted from the opera-
Uses of it, which the Noble Lord had described to be in
a state of tranquillity and prosperity. The Bill was
wholly ustiecessaty with respect to Ireland, as there bad
been no assemblage in that country since the Manchester
Meeting, to express disapprobation of what bad taken
lace there; and meetings far Parliamentary Reform
were wholly unknown. A Right Hon. and Learned
*1
Oman (hlr. Plunkett) bad stated the Meeting at
ester to be illegal; bat he would call upon that
per. Oentlemas to state, if be thought such a
Hi MO called for in indeed. Were Ireland in a state
of rebellion, no stronger measure ovoid be resorted to
than the use before the House.—(Heerl)
Mr. L. FOSTIIit stated, that the speech of the lion.
Gentleman would make many this themselves ag-
e:Lod, who, bet for that speeds, would bare never
of the ateesure.—(liesr, heart from the Oppe-
sitioa.)--His meaning would be perfectly clear, when
he stated, that in Ireland ail pubiic meetings were held
in bosses; and such meetings were not at all affected by
Oa present Bill. He had heard, that permits from Man-
chester had come over to Ireland, and were pertu.hu-
Wing the ronstry, I. the Lope of making consorts, awl
though their success had been little or none. still the
relent measure was oat of salutary precaution.
Mr. PLUNKETT said, that as he was so p'sirectly and
personally called up, he felt it necessary to say a few
words. le answer to what had fallen from the Hon.
tientleman, he must say, that he did not think his elsa-
racier
would Mee say thing from the part he had taken
es a former night, when the business at Manchester
some to be diensmold---(Hear, hear*.).—He considered the
resent measures as not directed against any principle of
Os Constitution, or founded on any temporary views,
big sash as the existing state of society called for. In
Ma .pinion, the state of society bad not experienced a
greater change from the time of the Conquest, than it
bail undergone within the last twenty or thirty years;
osleaordinary events and sew notions of tillers had risen
op in the world ; and as extension and intensity of
(weight prevailed upon all subjects. This was dose
wieMpelly through the medium of the public press. He
Ad sot mess to complain of the liberty of the rem; on
She contnrq he considered a well conducted press as
the most effectual petal:is of -the liberties of the cowl.