The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-10 00:00:00

THE. STATESMAN,

TIIE QUEEN.

HOUSE OF LORI/S.-o'v,ti Mon•lsG.l

reool, anti the Peers
At the usual hour Pra)er%
were rathril aver. The delimiters acre, the Earls of
I.:4;1:4os r, WsLorc.i: svE.:1111
ou the motion bring pu. for nallin4 in the Counsel.
garl UROtiirrNott rose; and after adterting to a
itesht whirls had been thrown du! in the early part of
!hew pverrilings. whether the it 'messes who gave, or
sere to give evidence at the liar, could he proFeetited
114 rejttry. observed, that it uas hit; it time that
4.4115 t Aoald be set at rest. Ile would put it to their
le,r,i.t,ips, whether it was CO1131)1'1111 w hit law or ju•-
t..e. that stub a proceeding as the pre.let.t should
sutferd, that witnesses were to be allowed to give
the et bieere they had given, and that the person af-
free,' by that evidence should not have the means of
in,iihistr those witnesses for perjury, if their evidence
;ere file. He coneeived that in this question the
honor and the dignity 44 the House were at stake,
an.l it trial.' be monstrous indeed if such ar anomaly
were rusi:ted, as that which must be the ease. if the
witnesses were not liable to an istilietsuent for perjury.
HisAßtrations were not meant to apply to this or that
witness, er this or that side of the question. His
urly shied was, that the Ilonse should sly, w- its deter-
vimiesa to administer justice. With these prefatore
et,„,200, he should ask Abe Noble and Learned Lord
~e 1 the we4,l,aeh to he good enough to state distinctly
) Ole H, n'e. whether the witnesses on the present
i„,ri„ sere open to an indictment for perjury : and
lithe answer of that Noble and learned laird were in
the native, he (Lord O.) should move for leave to
hein in a Bill for the purpose of creating that
The Loan en etCrit.Oß descended from the Wool-

suit; udobserved. that the quertion put by the Noble
Earl appeared to him most est; aordinary. In his opinion,
the Learned Counsel had gone too far when he said that
be should Prosecute one of the witnesses for perjury ;
tor, ia his (the Lord Chancellor's) view of the Caw, it
wzi not jam. and therefore nut possible that their
Lordships could come to any derision on the subject
au:il they had heard the n hole of the rase, an•l had
come to the conclusion of that ease.--(llear, Isear!)—
The witnesses whoa reared atthe Bar were wider the
pm:retina of that House, and he would put it to their
Lordships whether the r•ourse proposed by the Noble Ea rl
would wA in erect be punishing the witnes.rs on a
charge, an intimation, or a sunrise of perjure, which
are all way fall to the ground.—(Hear, hear).—
beiag his view of the ca.?, he should, without
Leas**, slightest disrespi et to the Noble Earl,

%ina.

declitto oasw erin the question.
[Ms Lordship appeared much aft cte.! h the course
of his ►perch, and was uarudy cheered at its cuncht-
aim]

Eiralanresxoa explained, and denied the jus!ire
of the interpret:akin, whirl. the Noble and Learned
L.rd had put upon hi' optestion.

. .
kiscauut 31xt.viLlsi said." be hail a particular reason
for wishing that William Carrington •hetild he again
(ALFA to their Lordships Ilsr. Le was non Ming. to
isteWeil the course set their prtweedings, as the wit-
ness, who was considered at present to lie tinder eta-
mindon. (His Lordship alluded to Lieut. Flynn )
bat it was his fluty to state, that this step shoold be
taken with as little delay as possible. Ile therefore
moved, that Mr. William Carrington should be called
tow:end at the Bar, after the present witness should
have closed his examination.
After smile ~.nver.ation between Earls tinny, Li-
eznetrot., Lay le la) ME and Dox &ironstone, it was
finally agreed, that this uitness should be brought up
te:ty.
Conn .el were then called in ; and fur some cause con-
nected uith the mintier of the entry of the learned (;en.
Omen, their Lordships indulged themselves in a hearty
laugh.
Lieut. FLTNN wastlien called to the liar: and his rross-
examination woe resumed by .slr. SuLlt IL.
At what tinrc did you arrive at Athens ?-0n the zstli
of May, I think.
How long previously to that time bad you been in
Isll7.
Uid you make that memorandum to which von refer•
red yesterday. on shore, or on board the vessel ?-0n
board the vessel.
Had you been on boars, an Italian vessel a short time
before? -I don't remember.

At the time pot are speaking of, when r."; :mole the
memorandum
Of 'that country then and what name was the ve.sel
—As &Wish vessel, called the Lion.
Will you allow sae to look at that memorandum in
yam. Laud?—(The gallant Lieutrnaut banded, user the
Per
yua.) Inv, told us you had the command of the pola-
cr- ; also navigated the vessel ?—1
Who gave orders to the sailors ?-6enerally, the Cap-
tain, but he received them from me.
Did you Jo inure than merely direct him n here he
should go?—i did net tell him to go to :My place ; I
only give him orders about the ship.
bid he not execute the ditties ts hid; the Captain of a
'easel ordinarily doss; did he nut give directions to the
Cool: ?-11e slid.
Theo. in navigating the vessel, hail he not the whole
care and manigement of the ship ?—Not the whole ma-
n 'gement, because her Royal Ifigliness appointed use to
the runintand.
Do yon mean to say that it was not he who gave
or-
ders to the sailors?
Mr. Dismay objected ; observing, that this question
lad toren already answered. •
The Lord CHANCELLOR wished the latter part of the
evidence to be read over, which being done, the Solid-
torrieneral resumed his cross examination.
What do you mean by saying you were navigator of
the ship!—'l mean by saving that I was navigator of
the ship. that I assisted in the steering, and gave octe-
nnial milers to Vie crew.
Then you did give orders to the crew ?—Yes, some-
time. I 'l d.
NJ you ever give directions as to the suanseuvering
of the *hip ?—tiouietimes.
Was that generally done by Carsinlo, the Captain. or
v"inelf?--Sereetiuses by hint, sometimes by sue, when
he was not on deck.
Veit it was only when he Was not on deck that yen
id k?—Sometimes I did it when he was on deck.
Bet was it not generally done by Larsinio?—He
geee-
elll did it oftener than I did.
Ita lh you generally write In Italian or English ?—ln
lian.
Wu that written by yourself or clerk ?—By my clerk.
sou he Italian or Englisb ?—I don't know whet be

Was he not your servant ?--No.
Was that memorandum in Italian ?—ln Italian. It
Was the log book.
By wl t was it kept ?-lly myself, it was a private
me ttttt randum by myself.
Was that book for your own private purposes. kept by
your I'lerk or yourself -It WAS directed by myself, and
sometimes written by my t Jerk.
Is this the Clerk, rues alluded to before ? —Yes.
Was he on board the polacre the u hole time 7--Yes,
thiLu Iti.ll. time.

Was be Italian or English ?—ltalian.
Did volt nut tell me a moment ,t!:1), that you 'lid
not know what lie %•a.?--1 (.10 nut 1.:141tV exarily tibia
lie wag. Ile was an Italian, or a Sicilian.

Did he write the n hole. or part of tli:tt memorono
slum wrote part, and I wrote more.
144 You write your part iu English. or Italian t'
In English.

Did you tint t II nte a moment ago, that the whole
I/04 was in I :

Here the wih+e•+s considerably agitated. an:l
was ►.•.► r fainting.

Mr. lkstul,l requested permission for the witness
to retire.whirl uas instantly granted. After an ati.rnee
of about Ike minute.•. he returned. and the Solicitor-
tie:serial resumed his cross-rumination.

Haring told us from the tirst that Pimplelli was not
your servant and r that he was your se:vans, n kids
story do you Olean to adhere to !—I mean to adhere that
he ailed as hods.
Ito you mean to adhere •o the story that he Iraq your
servant, or that hr uas not your servant mean to
adhere to his luring a sell ant for the purpose of taking
my not 1111:111d down, but he was not kept as a sailor on
hoard the ship.
Ile Iszvissz part of the log, and you the remainder,
ran you say whirls kept the mom cannot say,
rather think I slid. Hut as I have not the thing Iwfurr
me I cannot say.

Was it nowly written in English .'---Slente part was
in Enghr.!' and some in Italian of that a birh was written
by myself.

you net tell ns just now that the part kept by you
has in English i told VOU so. 1' %As •I a moment
when I w;ts so situated that I did not know what I said.

Then the part yon krpt w•as risme in English and
some in Itaiian:---Yes.

Was thr greatest proportion, hi the hest of vonr re-
collection. in English or Italian? --I don 1 rerollert.
Was not a consider:dile proporti ~,, of it in ro-lish 7--
I don't rrcullect. I think there *as as much of one ti-
the other.

Ib can mean that the better prweettion was in Eng-
lish 7 311111 the same.
Look at this parer. and tell me whether its 'late does
nut rosining:4.e at y Intr •I nate for a les,i --Not irons
Iticssina, it nottinsetwes in December.

Where ilia it omomence at ?--t )n the 6th of I)r-
-c•etnber, obeli her Royal ilightreog arrived at 31es-

When aid you set out from Messiva.:—Ott the 6th
of January.

A distu%s* here aroce. whrtla•r the tialicitar-
(trner:ll, or the oritnea s:foulst hold the paper during
this ex.tenia.ftion, or its rontehts. w•.ss derided,
that it should be situated within thesiFht of both.

The SOLI' IRA L.—l ask for Ow paper.
Mr. DIN awlifloo the witness n-.t to give i:
up.
The SOLICITOR-CIS/NAL asked the witness whit
were the %eve ral date.; and entrie, thronzhont the
paper 7—He writ re.t.tdarly thronzh them, and ac-
knowledged them to he all in Italian'
Look at that paper, and tell me if it contains a single
entry, at all the carious places von were at 'hiring the
vovige, written in the Caglish I;lngnagr? —lt dot not.
Whose handwriting is it In ?—Pisquelli wrote it from
my dictation.

Did you not tell us yesterday the paper its qn.stion
was yunr own hand-writing?-2-1 don't know that I did.
Why the paper was before you at the time was
not in my hand, and I could not then tell.
Now yon say it is not plow !sand-writing, hnt that it
is Pastrelli'sF—Yes, he copied it by my direction..
Now, will you venture to swear that it is sot *ha-
yani's :.—Yes. I think it is Schayani's.
Mr. SOLICITiIit4;ESIKRAL.-31y Lords, I shall not ask
this witness another question.
Re-examined by Mr. BronOsam.—llow long have you
lived in Sirily ?-4.ight or nine years.
Did you understand Italian before you went to Sicily ?
—Yes.

As well as you do now ?—les.
Uhl the Clerk of n hunt }uu hare spoken, speak Ita-
lian _ - -

Did Papillaelli write in the logbook'—Ye..
You are now a Lieutenant uu half pay in the English
Nara, ?—Yrs.
Were von ever examined before ronr (nning' to Eng-
land, re;reting the condurt of her Royal Highness un
board the Polirre ?—Nu.

Who copied for the LOE Book
you kale stated, that the paper in your hand was
uritten by Schimani ?-Ira, a few &iv, ay.o.
From what did he copy it.:—Runt a Fapr.r in toy own
prevression.
Hail von ever orrasion, on going to her Ito% al Mali.
nes., to awaken her Had pet any 011'44.11 to go
through the room of liergansi ?—After Itergami was Uit,
I went up the ladder.
Wliat sort of a tent was it, single or double :—Single.
What was the extent of it —.llimit '2O feet.
Mr. Soutlroa-lieNEll.lL—" Lord., I have toher„
that that paper about whirl' so much has Leen said, may
remain in the possession of the. Clerk of this Horse.'
Mr. DENMSN begged to observe, that neither be
ow his Learned Friend had seen that paper before
It was produced before the House. The Learned tent.
was proceeding, when a loud cry of " Order! order !"
arose, and
Mr. BROCGOAM got up amid increased cries of " Order!
order !" and expressed himself to the following effect
Hit is the pleasure of this House which is now sitting
as a Conn ofJustiee; if it is the pleasure, I say, of this
Hon.' to suffer one side to deal in insinuations, and not
to suffer the other to repel them, I ran mile say, that
if such is the pleasure of the Court, I and my Learned
Friends must of necessity submit to their decision."
Earl Uses rose, he said merely to 'negro to their
'Lordships that it weuld be more decorous, and more be-
coming in their Lordships, whenever they licndd think
the Counsel were out of order, to rise and state the
objection and not perpetually call out " Order,"
which only tended to the disturbance of the proceedings
.—(Loud cries of Hear hear.)
The LORD CR ' 10111 observed, that the question
before the House was, whether the paper in volition
.shoultl be placed in the possession of the Clerk of the
House. His Lordship was of opinion that the House
were entitled to have the paper in their possession, hut
It would se proper that the Counsel on each side sboeld
have access to R.—(line, hear, hear.)
•By the Earl of hISOSTON.--lou said that you fitted
op the Prineesei cabin, what were the dimensions of the
door ?- --About three feet sad a half wide, and some-
where about six feet high.

What were the dinienutions of the bathing tub I
think ',tont tno and a bailor three feet high.
Then if the tub were putt on its side could it not be
pushed into the cabin ":—No, not unleis both doors were
open.

Then if both doors were open, cool.] not the tub be in-
trihlucril ?—I aro not clear of that ; I think only a part
of it could be introduced.
For what reason ?-011 account of the continril ili-
tuenniong of the cabin.

What was the length of the cabin?—About ten fret.

And of the bathing tub ?—Ationt six feet.

Then you mean to say a spate of six feet will not fall
within a space of ten feet I—No. I do not. there were
two sol.gs in the room.

Were thoy immure:o;le ?—No.
Wel.. they fastened to the 1104,1' ?—One of them was.
Then they were tnoreable t —They were so. but they
were never moved.

Are you positive oftliat ?•—I am positive they Were
sin removed until her Rural Ilighurns disembarked.
Vaien yo, had OCCai to open the tent, will you take
on you to swear that there wa: no one hut her Royal
Highness there?-1 sill.
How rattle it you could rot hear what her Royal
Highness —The noise caused hy wind. and the
wor'.in4 of the ship. preven:ed my hearing distinctly.
could hear her speak: lint could not ten what eas avoid.
Had there hien two people spealsiut. in tent, could
you hare heard them Isom where t.Lt slept'—Sat

kJ you ever diitiogii;rh two vt,ices ?—Never.
If there had hero, 4M•n1,1 von have distinguished
then should hive kouau if two prople were

11*.is there any light in :lie diming-room:----Some•
time

Pill you ever ser :anr one .h•ep in the dinintr•rot•tn at
night 7 -' never saw :any mar them I lo:ow there was a
bed always there for Mr. Ber4and, and one Haorning I
Sall him there.

Yon never him at W.—lit ?-1 never weit to see if
he was in bed. it was not my date.
Pttt weiett Inc' went Li the Prittee‘s when she called
con. you passed through his rabic': —1 only tsw him
but once in the mornine:.

But m• 1 .r -I could out see him without
.•:: Wu a retired 114 CC. Out Ulf thr btriaight road
?brooch the moot.

The Earl of DUNOVUII monr.—lon say !/.- memoranda
of whirls you have nisde sine here were taken from a
larger paper of mentora,ttla. not the Intr.lasok, pray are
tun in the hahit of makilitr memoranda fur similar pur-
-.'—They were for my own nu%

warm in Ow

fat you always tol:r memo!. toodnons ?--Yes. I 1111 usual-
ly in the habit of making :hem for my own private Me.
%n void that pita took the extrarts from the lame pa-
per for the Olfisfretiati of pow friends : what do yam
Norms lig-that. what turisftetior did yr', lowan to gtre
them ,7—Witest I was in Slily I hail occasion to sre the
public papery. and having locird that all who load been
with her Royal Iligloneqs would be recalled to England
to give evidence. I took these extracts for the rarpose
of being mb to give the inforosa:ion that would be re-
quired of me. .

Where did you first read that account in the papers ?
At Messina.
1111''7- -About three months aro.
At the time the reports re wised you, you were alaont to
depart from 3lessina 7-1 was.
Awl then you referre.l t.. thpl.tr:rer paper
IlLivinr brought thr larger imper for that express pttr-
pose ?--Yes.
How long have _•on been Lientettant in the Navy?----
Eleven years.

)dal• i ask what was the origin of the acquaintance you
had the honour to form with this illustrious personage,
who is the subject of this proceeding'----After the siege
of Gaeta. where I served al a volunteer more than a year,
I was sent to. Rome, and thence to Naples, where I re-
ceived private instructions to go on a secret expedition
of the Neapolitan Government, to make inquiries after
Murat, the Ex-King of Naples. After having %les-W-ell
myself for four nights four and days, in the woods, I
gained iatelligence ot Mint, and I returned to Naples,
and having delivered my reports to the Prince of Hesse,
I returned to Messina.

(I'llis answer was delis ere.) in puts, at ititcevals,and
was read over to the Ilouse by the short handl writer.]
Yon will perreive that is no answur to my question.
3les.iiia I was ordered to sail to Corti' ; hut, before I
sailed, the Leviathan, with Captain in,
and I ..iptaitt Ilrigg, having introduced use te tier Royal
Highness, she offered me the command of the polacre,
to arc !!!!! piny her on her voya4e and haling nuthinx
to do. I accepted it.
Had you the entire command 00110 vessel 7 I had.

You had the al rangement of the palrengers. had
you not:--I certainly had.
Lord DoNounlinuar.—Was that ship hir..d by her
Majesty ?—Yes.
Were not the crew all instructed to think, and look
up to her floral Highness, in • respect:---Yes. .1
Don't yogi therefore think, that her Majesepests-,
sillered herself as tree floor interruptions, while
hoard, as to any room in her own house, or palace?--
Yes.
Don't you therefire think, that while her Ma;nty's
bed was on deck, that the crew would take rare not
to disturb her Royal Highness, by going too near this
tent ?--Yes, my Lord.
It appeared that the Queen paid for the vessel.,
Sir, I 'neon two disrespect to you alien I ask, whether
you received any remonetation:—On toy departure from
Sicily, no aeraugasnent was made, but on my arrival a(
Tivolii was informed I was to get 211111: pet, annuli':
What compensation did you receive t—Toro hashed
dollars, as well &or can recollect.
Have the proaliiess to state Vow mnrh you reetio•
and st a bat times ?--I received 2llti dollars, throe eta-
ferent tam% • .
All this you received during the voyage'--ties.
Nothing %ince ?--No.
Then you have received no part of the 21110/.14111r
--No. • •:
Wow long were you hire ?—Aboot a month. -•
Were you sorrioned here to appear before Ibis Hew%
or did you tender service :—I cause to her Majesty
as I knew something that occurred on the voyage.

What was the whole ruin you re vireti?-699 dullr.r4
at three different

On the voyage you observed the sleeping-mom of
Iliergami f---Yes,hr slept in the dining-rnem.
On the voyage outwards yOll say positively ru knew
of the sleeping room of lierrami, how esti trait say po-
sitively of where he slept in the voyage bettle Y had
ttu aitoro too remark.

How can yon say positively where you had arrange-
ments of the births on the voyage outwards, that you
did not know any thim of the arrangements huturwarolg?
Mr. Brim 'Lords, I enema this
question. The learned Conned then prtwseding to
object to the rinrsti , when the (hike of Clarence roan
and moved, that the Counsel be ordered to withdraw.
He thought that Counsel io offering an o'ijiretion tright
to treat the louise with heroming resrect ; and he tisui.t
say that .Ir. 8., in sayin:- he ...mid not permit that
question to be asked, hail treated Howe with great
ilisrespect.
The Lean Comsat Lon.—ln the cushy stage of than
prorre lints it has been allowed, that Comm' might in-
terpose if Noble Lords &mid pot any qnestion to a wit-
ue which they considered to he improper. I ass cer-
tain that it it the IlliVntillllll of the Lesrao-leffilftiel to
act upon this allowatee: hot at the same time I do nut
consider that it WAS rasedy primer in his to say, " I
will not permit this question to hi! rot."
Lord Hexorimmong said, that their Lordships were
much indebted to the iliacrions person in the garret
for his interference. At the some lime he did not think
that the obnoxious expression r?s wird inte:lonally.
It did nut arecri with the geni•rel re.portful imnduct
which the learn,il Counsel lord observed doting the
whole proceed:lLT.. The :Kohl., erd repeated Lis ques-
tion to the 'rime.% which errs again ritjected to, and
after some discussion ttitinly.wit. It no% again put in
another shape, etol erect ally rejected altogether.

The apprehension of an inoffensive and ignorant
poor boy on Selnrtlay, detected in di•tribntirt._T
sedition, hseil.b:lls, has fortunately led to the di -
cosery of a mystery of inignity, to Odds se
briey refervil in elf Paper of yesterday. aril
al:irh is mere fut detailed in another portion
of our paper to-dly. While the honest advocates of
liberty and jnstice have been nnsospicionsly. pa:-
siting their ob:ects in the ways of peace, and sewing
good seed in the minds of their fellow-subjeet.,
their watt:Vol enemies to defeat their purpose, and
expose their clft.cs and their aims to dread and abhor-
rence, have been in darkness toning tares, and distri-
buting in their name the most direct enci.rments to dis-
affection and rebellion. Many have been the cerasions
which, our readers w:;I recollect, hare occurred
from time to time, when the mind was
Inrsnit of certain ends, that hand-

bills of the mast inflammatory character had vacated
which tended to alarm the quiet and timid. and bring
the cause of the people into !•ttspirion or disigrnee.
There was no tkitbt an ent.my had dune this; and in
little doubt was entertained of what clasaandileacriptium
that enemy was. full credit was given to hie, both for ar-
tifice and for malignity: hut it con!.l rJt bare artered
into the heart any man to conceire, unless it were •
a heart like his own, that be us, cipalde of cortem-
platim; the great and extensive miseh'ef r.-bkh was
disclosed by the hand-bill detected ea Saturday. Not
content u ith aiming to excite the people tumultaonsly
to rise for the purpose of alTording fresh exense for
the renewal of military interference, or the increase
of legal restraint : not content with assnmirg the names
of innocent and respectable individuals in private life,
and rendering them obnoxious to their fellow eitisens,
and amenable to the inflictions of the law, the artery
pointed nowt° higher game, to the bio•liest characters
they could reach, to Sir JOHN Nt• .crop r, to the Earl of
throfte, to the Mike of Lc., -Tv P. and eyes to
(jeers herself. With an atrocity, which, if not with-
out a parallel, is certainly unrivalled i u the annals of con-
?piracy. a bold attempt wig made to implicate her .
MaJesa t in a desirn, which the fabricators only of
the hellish project could hare possibly invented. Tbe•
immediate instrument which employed the ignorant
distributor of the treasonable placerd has. by mane
the most unaccountable, fortod an oppoeuriry to dude
the hands of jultice, while his oncoesciuuseubordinate
agent is doomed to suffer all the rigour clam law. But
happily, though the contriver of the mischief has, fora
season, deluded the punishment he merits, his mischief
is detected and defeated. The snare is broken, and tho
birds have esca2ed from the hands of the fowlers

The mischief that had been prepared for the innocent,
has fallen upon the men of rosliznant dekkrn; sad if
they finally evade the rearh of law, the indirnation of
the Public will not fail to be their lasting portion.

Toz Queett.--A highly finished likeness of her
Majesty has been executed upon a medal, witlt an
appropriate rerer*e, in order to be worn by those
Ladies awl tlentlemen who go up with Addreves to her
filaje,ty. Tolie had of W. Parr, Co. 1, Great Itus-
'sell-street, Covent-garden, at One Shilling each. An
1 allottariee wadi to Committees or Shopkeeper, taking
a quantity.

Tee [MAMA.—The celebrated Doctor Synta; it
about to, furnish the publit. with an additional ammo
of atnusement. A New Burlesque Piece, of which. Greets
Room report speaks highly' se to be 'acted at Sadler's •
Wells, on Wednesday next,lsit the Rest time. The
Evening.. Entertainments are lei the Benefit or Mr.
Charles Wessmarote, who is well kaown to the publics.
an Author and Artist, aided by • the • Pittuaate of •.
Alderman Thorpe, else Lord MayotElect.
Posiing-bills hate been issued. offerfsc ortS bonar4
guineas reward for the apprehension of Frank-
lin, P.sq. of Clarendon-Ogre. ErigetiPire-read. "who hart
eicapear from the Magistrates at Bow-street," char/fed; 7..
upon oath with the publication of certhig seditious. s, -•
hand-bills, for the purpose of ettitiisir diection and
10111 P..

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