The Statesman.
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three months in the winter season, which he was per-
mined to do by the lease, the situation of the quarry be-
ing very bleak. He bad however to state, that the slate
in that quarry was of a most inferior description, and'
did not seem to get better as it was worked.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, that the public ought to
be satisfied that the quarry or mountain was properly
worked. From the inquiry he had made, he was induced
to believe that if duly worked, the quarry would produce
upwards of 10,0001. a-year to the public. But situated
in the hands it at present was, the Hon. Member
would of course work the q►►arry on his own freehold
estate adjoining, in preference to that belonging to the
Crown. Under the circumstances of the case, he thought
it would be the duty of the Right lion. Gent. opposite,
(Mr. Huskisson) to send down a competent surveyor to
inspect It, or to appoint a Committee of the House to look
into the matter.
After a few words from Mr. PIM:IA:VT and Mr. Hes-
KISSON,
Mr. RENNES' said, he was perfectly satisfied with
the statements cf the ilonoarahle Gentleman opposite,
and did lot desire any Committee of the House un

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CARYIa AND VI.OOII CLOTH WA REHOUSE,
No. 118. Lent: Atilt.
THE Proprietor of this Establishment begs to in-
form his Friends and the Public, who are "'host fur-
siegg. they kave sow an opportunity of saving from into
oid for Mot. epos, sit kinds of Carpet, Floor-cloths. Draggets.
sh.orik.regs, Carrlage-rugs. &e. itte..by applying as above.
ea he is determioed to sell off his present Stock much under
rinse cost, to make room for an extensive assortment of
Deeds from the Country.—Every article warranted to be of
tie beet Quality, and full measure given.
_
ESSENCE OF SHRIMPS.
FROM the increasing demand of this much ad-
.ll: mired SascP for all sorts of Fish. &e. it has induced
tbe Proprietor. HENRY POWELL. at his Wholesale Oil
sail Italian Warehouse. 3?, Newgete-street, (where tht.
Trade may be supplied with this and all other Genuine
liaises, Pickles. &c.) to return his most grateful acknow-
ledgments to the Public for their kind patronage, and at the
same time begs leave to acquaint them that it is sold by all
the Oil and Italian Warehouses in London, and by one or
more respectable agents In every town throughout the
United Kingdom.
Observe, none is genuine unless signed " Dinmore and
Ron," and the Proprietors' seal on the Cork.
To Merchants, Captains. and others, it is narticularly re-
commended stir shipping, as it is warranted to keep hi any
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sulilect.
The-Petition was ordered to he printed.
URAMPOUNI).
A message from the Lords announced their Lordships'
cescarrence to several Road Bills, and also that they
had paws: the tirampoend Disfranchisement Bill with
semi Amendments, to which they desired the concur-
rence of the House.
Lord MI LTI IN stated, vial reference to the Grain- I
pound V.sfranchisenient Bill, that it was 15;4 intention
to call the attention of the Re .se to the Amen linents to
that Bill which their Lordships had made to it. He felt,
however, some iliiEcnlty as to the conr,e If.. .'ofulfl pur-
vie, being '1(1000 whether it woula mu.; ...1:t the con-
venience of the House to move that the Amendments he
forthwith taken into consideratiou, and then adjoorn the
debate to give time for the Amendment+ to be printed
or to move that they he printed, and Pc their considera-
tion for some tour, day.
After some conversation between the Marquess of
Lorspositimenv, Lord Ilii.ros, and the SIVII3IIIIOI, as to
the most convenient flay, it n as moved hv
Lord J. KI7SSEI.I., that the said Amendments hr
taken Into consideration on Wednesday next.
Mr. W 1 NNE stated that it was his intention to move
smne Amery meats un the Auteillments added by the
!loess of Lords.
The Marquess of LONDON DERRY observed, that
they hail in this Bill got a remedy for 4 great evil in the
Constitution, which it was a great relief to his mind to
have obtained ; and lie really tnisonl that rare would be
taken not to risk the loss of that reined), which perhaps
the Amendments of the Hon. Member (Mr. %Vynise)
ruiehtive the means of doing.
Mr. WYNNE assure,) the Noble Marquess and
the liaise that his Amendments would not endanger

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was ordered to he printed.
FORGERY PUNISHMENT RILL.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH wished to bring up the R..-
port of the Forgery Punishment Mitigation Bill, to
move two or three small Amendments, none of whirls
would be likely to provoke a debate; and then to fix a
day on which the general discuss should Cate plaentce
' on the third reading, when any ion
farther all
which others might think tit to move could only be re-

:eived.
The Report being hrought up.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH reminded the Honse that a
ronsiderablr majority of the House. when the attesol-
ince was as full as conld he expected at this period of
the Session. had voted in favour of the proposition for
abolishing tti: punishment of death in cases of (tarry.

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Among these were bankers, merchants, sad many of
the most enlightened characters that bad ever adorned
that House. In the amendment be bad now to propose
he wished to mark his respect fur the judgment of those
who, differing from him in some instances, had gieen
the present Bill their support. in framing it he had in
some instances availed himself of their opinions, and he
proposed torte) so still more in the present instance by
satrificing his own, and introducing exceptions which
he himself had not thought necessary, but which others
had thoettht desirable. It was most strongly contend-
ed that capital pnnishinent ought still to apply to foeg-
ing of wills. In cases where landed property alone was
concerned he bad thought the scruples entertained on
this subject vain, front the difficulties which lay in the
way of forging such wills ; hot where personal property
alone was conzerned the same difficulties did not occur,
and therefore he was willing to make an exception with
respect to wills. He lieu purposed sacrificing his own
opinion by excepting the two forgeries created by the
Marriage Act—the forgeries of entries, and registers of
marriages. Thirdly, he would propose to except from
the general provisions of the Bill forgeries of transfers
of stock. He moved to amend the Bill by interline
words to except the forging of " say last will, codicil,
Or testamentary paper."
Mr. l RIPE'S objected to the Bill, that while it
went to punish forgeries of Bank of England notes,
it dill not extend the same punishment to the forgery
of country Bank Note 4. This he thought particit•
larly objectionable from various reasons, and especi-
ally so as the Bank of England was not obliged to pay
forged notes, while the country banks were compelled
pay note* purporting to be theirs, though known
to be forged, a• if they refused to pay a forged note,
their credit would at once be lust, and they would find
it itopos.ible to issue another note.
Sir .1. S 1 AUKINTOSII declined offering any re-
marks un this subject at present, but would remind the
lion. Member, that it would be open to 'wive any al-
teration is the Bill n hich he might think proper Ott
the third reailin•r•
Mr. ORENFEI.I, could not help concurring with
the lion. Gentleman oppo-ite, (Mr. Cripp.) in what
!!t. hart •ahl against aff ,r.ling the Bank of England
protection in eases of for err, which was not extended
to country banks. lle could wish that the Bill should
exclude capital puttisliments for forgery altogether,
but retainiaur them a• tat meows where the
Bank of ttol was concerned, hr certainly thought
uith the !len. tientl.qiian, that they ought to be ex-
tended to country hani s also.
Mr..l. M. lt I'l N had some difficulty in making up
his !Mild be 'l7 to rote lot this measure. If the offence
Were nook punishable by transportation in every eas-,
lie should lime no hesitation in giving it his support.
Mr. BENNE f differed much from the last speaker.
Transportation, far from being considered as a punish-
ment, it' held out as the consequence of forgery, would
oneralr as a bounty on the CninittisSion of the crime.
Tae generality of persons transported were, he be•
hot d, much obliged to Government for sending them

out.
Mr. BARING could nut are that any benefit was
held out to the flank of England by the exception
Italie with respect to its notes. 'floe loss of the
forged notes fell not on the Bank of England, but on
the ; and the question therefore was nut whit
wa- best for the Bank, but what would afford the
•ountry the best securi'y against the crime of for-
gery. lle saw no re.oson fur making an reception in
the case of the Bank of England notes. if the prin-
ciples on which this Bill uere founded were good for
ills thinz, they were good for carrying the principle
u the whole extent of the subject, fur it was contend-
ed th.tt the milder punishment would more effectually
repress the crime than the pu .isliment of death, and
eons optently forzeries of Bank of England notes
ovoild he best preventod by the same means, or this
Bill was rood fur nothing. The question before the
iloose wot this—Would the secondary punishment
atforol the country greater protection from forgery
titan it had already ? When it was said that the
crime tv• lit in every case to be visited with transpor-
t otiol••, he moist oppose that proposition, as be agreed
with ;ors honourable Friend, the Member for Shrews-
boorv, that transportation was now considered no
padis:oinent at all ; and if no heavier punishment
,ere proposed, he should certainly vote against the
111.1. when it CAW to the third reading.
Mr. J. SMITH objected to the (discretion, which
the Bill at resent lett with the Judge, of indicting
a long or a short period of imprisonment at pleasure.
Mr. LOCKHART was proceeding to speak on the
principle of the Bill, when
Sir J. M 100 N'IOSII interrupted his Hos. Friend,
amp -ii,zgested to him that the discussion could be
:nor- conveniently taken on the third reading of the
Bill. The Bill, he remarked, gave the Judge power
to sentence the offender to imprisonment, with or
withont hard labour, for any term, not exceeding
fourteen years.
Afire a few words from Mr. PEAUSI and Mr..).
MAR Iv:, the Amendment was agreed to.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH moved the other amend-
mew, which he bad announced it to be his intention
too propos.., which were agreed to. lie also, as an
,ohjettion load been wide to its being left In the power
of a Judge to sentence an offender to as short a period
of im:Alsooloment as he might think proper, moved that
word, ~,,, Id be introduced, providing that the
im-
indicted in eases of forgery should not be
I ss that' three, nor more than fourteen years.
Mr. BARI )11 wuul.l rather that this Bill should
hippie a Speeiti.! punishment of imprisonment •for
fourteen wears. A 4 the Honour title and Learned Gen-
Leman slow proposed that it should stand, it would go
forth to hitt country that three years' imprisonment
was heiver oeth to be considered the punishment for
forgery. This did not appear to him to be a punish-
ment of sufficient marnitiple to he applied to eases of
forgery. linprisonment for foot teen years ought to
be held out ix terrorens. In particular cues the pu-
nishment could he mitigated or remitted by the leiter-
ferenee of the Crown.
Sir J. M it:lEl\l'olH thong
ht there would be
little practical dlffeeettett whether The diserietitwi. he
ropused to

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