The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-02-23 00:00:00

FiIESTATFANIAN

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Mr. PRESTON said he &mid not suffer the pre- of the lepatt Mill, he .shiatild nose tOininen't upon
, goestinn to pass without giving his decided opi. 'those parts of it to which he would have objected if
,sumo the subject. HP then beion to show the he haA' been prOtent. In first place, there was a
~rout adventeges of agriculture, from the time of mistake in the report, 'which stated, that mi.&kola-
two most sagacious and politic Prince, Henry VII. lion had placed the remunerating price at' router that
j, whose reign it was allowed that pasture land was a 80s. and soitstelioee it. This'wes retiree mistake, but
clear profit, but that the cultivation of corn was a might very naturally take place in that:trig a report
Brest risk, and therefore Ought to be protected by all upon such voluminous evidence. Ile believed that there
for meal's that were possible. That great sage of was no surveyor who slated a higher *price the:l'l3oi.
t!,e law, Lord Clike,' wee malty years afterwards, except Mr. Easton. That Geolleitotik had, itoareikr,
shoo the subject was bettor understottd, decidedly said, that it would probably fall to 645. if 'owe' and
a ihe same opinion. From the time of Lord Coke, other cherges*ere diminished.'M KMAtirelthed sbled
a:rital!ture had risen in estimation, and was now 7.55. as a lair protecting price to the 'fainter: Mr.
sirited to that height, that during the late tremendous Mant had stated, to his knowledge, that braide land
snidest, had enabler! this country to triumph over 'in Scotland had tripled Within twenty years: and he
an her enemies. Ileconllessed he was not surprised' had also stated, that he thought 754. a fair protecting
to find that the citizens of London were impatient price. The estimate of almost all the Surveyors had
suit clamorous 'spinet paling 30 percent. mote for been made on the supposition of existing prices and
theft bread than was paid in the country. There was rates: It appeared, therefore, to him, that it was
Ho ossou for this: they ought unquestionably to quite inconsistent with the evidence to say now that
h,te their food es cheap in London as at Exeter, 80s. was the proper remunerating price. It appeared
o,pre meat was srrld for sd. and Gd. the pound, to him, that judging from all the evidence, the fair ;
tshich in London/etched Iod. Ile was clearly of protecting 'nice would be between 725. and 765., and'
„pimon, that unless the Parliament encouraged the 'he should therefore consider 745. as abbot that pric&
agricultural interest of the country and supported the The country should recollect that we were not noW
farmers, witich was the only sure way to make bread making atry alterations in the old system of the Core
cheap, the worst consequences must follow. Laws, but it was merely following op the principle
Sir F. FLOOD reqttorted the indulgence of the of those laws which had been long established. Intl
moor till he said a few words on the present clues- °Opt/Shinn had been founded on the want of lifer-
firm, which he was the more induced to offer to their mation that the House was possessed of last year..--
cre.sideration, because neither of the last speakers He also objected to such high sums as were proposed-
had said a syllable on the state of Ireland. He ad• for the protecting prices. Ile would not consent
'erred to a meeting which had taken place .in the! thht.roch prices as I-101: Or 120 s. should be Axed as
minty he had the honour to represent (Wexford), : the protecting peke ; neither would he last year(whett
consisting of laymen, spirituals, and other agricul. I the 'loose had so little information) consent that
wrists [a laugh], and from these proceedings, it ; 90s. should he fixed as that price. He was convinted
would be seen, that such shei.ting was of one opinion,l that there mist he some protecting pike, and he had
aat there could be no distinction or difference of i already stated his-opinion of what that should be un.
interests between the agriculturists and the manufac. der the present circumstances. He concluded with
rulers, and he who was not a friend to either was in I expressing his approval of the system of WatehoOs.:,
enemy to both. Ireland had in the course of eleven lug imported corn, as one great evil he'd hithotto's ,
tears sent to ibis country eleven millions of quarters been the sudden fluctuations to which the market deri
at gaup, and this was a fact which ought to con- i liable.
vincethiscoontry how very important the connection ! Mr. PONSONBY was of opinion, that the Retto:.'l
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licresl—Thersferai andther vies of this 40eitiOn—
its coniectitivelncase of reisie:. Hi (MG Posi
sonity). ink a itirtiOthat trilteti on
economy hall stStfd, that `lnellille'tif rtnti ininhlrdd
increase 'of the prices -rif tabouranstlitnnl; Thtetg
surdity of matt newer advanced a more absurd pod:.
Hen, in the sense in which it had'beep
Rent was 'the surplus produce of the thrones., no.
thlisg wore,'
that' is, 'whit lie .paid 'to else firopitelore
attire deitticthig the incidental expettges'dfilis cibtip
this autouttfof the produCtiee (retire of his'
Production was, in fact, national wealth ; the Mari
the farmer can produce, • the higher lie can pay s for
who would venture to assert that a country increas...
ing its this ratio, was not advancing in prosperity ?
—[Crlis of Hear!].-le they adverted •to the state
of frelatia, and tonhtsiiid -that' her 'kith weighed
heavily 'with him, In a consideration' like the preY.'
sent. She 'never could nob' become a rhanufacturing
country, at least comparatively with this. He need
not state the cause.—He would, however, say
(and %e meant no inviditis retrospection): that the
poker of Engtditti 'had been 'for 6do.yehri levelled
at her depression, foolishly indeed Tor the end'enbit..
try, as it las cruelly oppiesslie for.theisi her; and the.
hitter consequence was, that the resdurtes of Ire.;
land had been converted into unnatoral,channels.—
It were vain to dwell its pen this recollection. The
lirtlclet of UniOn set at rest thiPos-
sibility of Ireland's being a manufacturing coblitryi,
she 'can be an agricalidral And,' and front ter ester.
rise of this occupation, can .meet and add the edit: i
sumption of British manufactures. [gear, hear !]
The law of his Hon. Friend (Sir J. Newport), not
leng 'since enacted, for the. free 'lMportitintt of in
Into this country from Ireland, had done mord! for
the geneial benefit of the whole empire, than any
public Istsi had effected since theNavigatiots Act—
[Mar, hear !]=Loot[ to 'the :fact=see the iuPply
of Food thts carter& h* te6elvia that aespitfobi':
measureL-aftd wobld any'Gentlerlitfirwho heard nibs';'
prefer that such a channel' f intercourse should'take
its source in the Baltic ils.preference to the nearer
and more immediate Opening which the Sister King-.

eavreen the two ;Tee of Elm United Kingdom was to ! lutions proposed to the Committee, were proper, i dom preleittedl—[Loud cheers.] —He was sure he
each other. Viewong be the light he did, he and as such he felt them entitled to his support.— . v0616'144 fully believing tlett the tithe had it length';
he thought the lloase ' 'SZE I
duly hound to encou. [Hear !]—Whatever unpopulatity may attach to gone by' *hen' the mischleiont mode of rejardihg
.. e,
rage the agricelturealreland, and he should there- ' this opinion, strange as it may appease, that unpee ; Ireland was practised. He (Mr. I'.) would as soon I
fere vote for the loges; Shut. ; pularity would he to him an additioted reason why- now entrust the affairs of Ireland, with the uecia.el
Lord BINNING said; that after the Hear avid he should give those Resolutions his support.-- sary information appended to them, to the consi-1
able manner in which lois Right Hon. Friend (Mr.: [Hear fl—When the Ministers, with whom it was deration and adjustment of the British Represents.'
Robinson) had introduced this question, he (lid hope' his lot generally to contend upon adverse point!, Gees in Parliament, as he would to that of any 1
Gentlemen would have abstained from considering it . came forward, as on the present occasion they did, otherbody composing a part of the' Legiilitiire of .
as a party question. He saes sorry to observe, that 1 with a measure fraught with general, though to the empire.—[Loud and eolith:aid chierY.l-Tiiii',
some Gentlemen, however, had used .inflammatory men unpalatable, consequences, lie would be Right lion. Gentleman here referred to the 'Wen's',
language, which was calculated to affect all the dif. ashamed of hiniself if, thinking that measure a Whig data regulating the importation price of
ferent orders of the community, and to lead to on- . right one, he took advantage of whatever unpopu. grain; and in his opinion the standard of 80s. was
founded and improper conclusions of the real object i larity may attach to it, to withhold the concurrence alone the fair remuneration.—[Hear!]—His view of
of the measure under consideration. The Noble ;of his aid to promote a common ohjett in which the question led him to accept that price, and at ito
Lord then proceeded at considerable length, and with i they fortuitously agreed.—[Loud cries of Ilear fl other, he Thought, could a Safe prbleclidis I* Wee
great ability, to contend, that the interest of the I—The1—The vote which he meant to give, was not one on. His Hon. Friend (Mv. Birhig); foe irhiviiin-1
emufacturers was closely combined with that of the i deduced from partial calculations of detail, bat lents and extended informatiOn upon this, as on ad
iiiidimlders ; and that if the latter were not protect. : front, a series of general principles; first, that no other subjects, he felt not only the highest reaped,.
el, the coesequence to the country at large would 1 country so great and auspicious in wealth and station but admiration.—Ellearne- had started opinions
he destructive and subversive of that prosperity 'as this, should ever forean instant adroit. into here different tyros hit jai. Poweenby's)—but he emild..
which, through the medium of the encouragement! policy, that the main subsistence of het pe(ipTis WO iconcur in the tuitions ' wlieh cheracterhed• ali
l,treti'fnre riven to the ngriculturist, 11;1(1 crowned I should, under any circumstances, be depetident upon Iffm.iiilibliPs view of the-sailoo.,—iiidiettbi thought':
111- arduous contest in which we laud been engaged.lthe resources of a foreign Pewdr.---[llear, ken] they were 'pkuliarty urifdrtUriete. The litnitatidil"
There was an eldsay ieg,deseriptite of the prosperity 4 ---However tree it may be, that a perfect freedoei . end reducing scale were particularly objitetionable—
of the counter. to whirl) lie could not help alluding lof commerce should exist among nations in gene.: for what would he their direct operation? Nothing
—he meant,' •lie plough, the loom, and the sail."— 1 ral, and even among individuals in particular; it less than this—that the farmer would be told, for a
The plough was put first, because it was considered I was yet equally true, that in almost every instance certain time, and no longer, his interest was
.worth ,
the great souice of the success of the others. Ile 'it was impossible this equality could practically sub- consideration. If hi was entitled to auy aid at -a11',.1
would ask, was it now meant to degrade that sist, and even if it were possible it could, and thit to be effective-It should have a proilied of pediment& ;
ploughs It it was, he did not hesitate to say, that iin this particular case its precticabllity was nraW. cy—Ellear, .hear!)—or else the agriculturist would ;
the doorufal of our manufactures and our commerce fest, still he would contend it would be onerise to' not tempt his capital fo eo fluctuating a steerrity.— '
must follow ; and with this impression on his misole adopt it upon the present oceasioli.—[Hear'!)—c' [Near!)—tut would not: incite thd 'risk of sinking
lie fully acceded to the aesulutions which had been. How' was it possible to command !Mt' equality ets his preyetty in a pursuit,. the reward of which
et «posed. . . . testily weight foil—could they satiety thetalieffeil Mille beinteiceptect by ‘era foreigner at, the -moment)
Mr. ROSE said, that on a former night, an flop.:, thee- they could' cotentatit theototdie. edriciettebee" "Sett the'''Brifisi 'grew -wax.- Seeking 'the fait
Centleman (Mr. Baring) had assumed, that he had of foreign legislationev act evi toleave a' taftchatiett relfiedtotitfdn'of his' eltittietkedi &phi& and insli:4
mitirely chauged his opinion and view of the subject: of digit not being Housed •tora centla44l state' of : try.=-:[Grits of Mar; Acal]--in" thh'eetisil clf-,
lie eould venture to say, that his motives were as dependence?—[Near!]—As little Wilf It potable . discossion, it had been said -that • the ' inesslitrei
lee:it:nested as those of any oilier Member, awl for them to establish a peretoct vitality' In syriteeis lu contemplation would snake food dearer for 007
'Sat there was nothing which could bias his conduct . between the farmer and- the manellieturete The °Mil' people—Vicar, hear a—and that the Legisia.)
!vino the common iutereats of the country. He I had as good a right as the ether to the rethilativel tune Onghtte view With caution a proposition tending
certainly could not agree with that llonournlilel protection of his properly.-qCrics of Hear !]--! to web mi a' tiseqtteliee. He ridinitted they ilidoiffiti '
G m:dem:ln in his malcontent, that a bounty of IS NVliee the commercial iiiterests'eetire to seek this pre-Ise, inefar es testi Tessellate& and cumilsient with the
millions was now given by the cemmunity to the I tection, it would then he time for the farmer to do dielpoblie weal, awl with Buell' other' regulations' es they
leitl-1101,1ers of this country. Neither could he i same; but be would affirm, that of all classes inl were hound to regard. Ile would even Admit' that a
a:eee with hits as to the facility of bringing corn from society, those who labour in hgricoltnre ought to be'; necessary result, flowing from the present motion,
France. Ile was convinced, that ss. a quarter wa• the most favoured by the Legislature=--[hear;l aimed be, that probate/ on the very day of its; uolop.
far less than the expellee of carrying it. Although i hear!]—and were entitled to a greater portion of con- tidn, an increase of price in food Ilould'take place.;
in some countries, as in Poland, corn was easily 1 sideration than any other branch of the community. Bet' he erotitd-uNity de6y"that sucti a piittroliatff
collected at the sea-ports by means of great tinviga- 1 ---[Grirs of hear !]—No man respected and ha- effect ivouldirlse.--(llfrar ri—On tbeContiiiry,sthe '
ble rivers ; yet the corn which was exported from 1 !loured, more than he did, the nentufiteturing in. standard' would affix at mgettiting price, whlch'woutd
France was collected in different districts, mid terests of the country, but as far as these regarded pvevyut that flucteadng value, so pregnant with
brought at a considerable expense to the ports from I the peace and war of the country, they were' subtii- evil, and would by I steady niarket,. in the course'
which it was aftCrwards to be exported. There cer- delete to the aericultoral.—[/tear !]—So far es 'he of time, anansunibus. annis, and
.bring ;the staple
elide nes last year a most redundant harvest in'; (Mr. Ponsonby) regarded the moral chaeatter of the' artltihroffoal to a fair and pi:oPer egeivelent, even,
France, and corn could,. therefore, be sold cheap ; people (no mean consideration in a gotterarquektiony,• sod iireitioetit. He Witold therefore imPlare this'
hut lie did not believe that 'Preece would ever be this interest stood far superior to that of the menufiteel Heeler not admit thefallacy';' that' trio' distill& ine"
a great exporting ening-Ty. 11e had always, how. Wring body. If he looked to the resources of war, I terests were at variance in the preeenediscuselinto-
seer, a decided objection to being dependent upoe; or the continuation of peace, the greater benefit was ! The great body of the consumers should koow,• that'll
foreign supply. He hail always said, " Protect the ; striking-6 hardier and a 'bolder raea'sprung fronti to the labour of agriculture they must owe that cert..
corn growers of this country In the first place, give !agriculture! permits. Centiderations flowing -fronostant and uniform supply'of-subsistence which 'albite
them a moderate and reasonable Protection, mid thee ' this vie* induced hill • preference.—[Heat !] !could be ensured by a fair end ndeqinitetoMpeoia.
a ti...rd every farilitv and relief to the censutner." This 'lt had beeheaid, in one Of the vieos which wag taken : tion. For these reasons he should give' his. cordial
II; been always his opinion, and, he had never ex- 'of this subject, that it would increase the' price •efl assent' to the ResolutiOns which- had been proposed.'
pressed any other. Ile bebehtleliat nothing could rent. He (Mr. P.) was not ashamed to avow that it ! [Load cheers.]
he more mischievous than an unshackled importation. may so opeete—a good consequent* *mild, orlon i Mt. WHITBREAD said, 'he hoped be should be!
When, however, het year it was proposed to change` from this, have its effect, for the farmer would be! excused in delivering it ar his opinion, that the
all ti:e laws that regolaterl and controlled the emote- ' enabled to maintain a comfort approximating to that efficacy of legislation in this question had been reueht
tation of corn, he opposed so great andsudden an iii. iir his days of greater prosperity. Am! would (ceu. ' oter.ritcd. Ai to-the'relief which the farmer s:reed
notation in a system of law's that had existed for 500 tinned Mr. P.) no good result emanate from this Com- ' receive froni it, than mu' perfectly Impiety at the
rears. lie thought it rash and -impredent to overturn' partitive- .intiepen'dence of the fernier ? Certainly' present 'beaten tl4 and as in the future, it would 'not'
With regard to wheat '
ll'et system on the sudden feeling of the moment. Ile, there would ; for if the other classes' in society
o • con. !be so great as' was twitted.
however, then said, that if they had this chosen to ceived that they were denied the benefit which the'' had fallen from ao Hon. Friend of his, he must say,4
grant ifree exportation Of coin at aH time; aed under farmer and the gentleman posteSsed; they must shot thatlie thought)) cottemenity, to which he. ( r.. . )
ellcircuiusteneee, they shbuld be Particularly cautious their eyes to an obvious consequerkbe—for` it thii far. belonged, had- been rather hardly dealt with by him, !
with respect to elks/rine importation. As to what mer and the gentlemen were not the perceta'seet of the'l as well as by the Right Hen'. the Chancellor of the
had been said of the **Wendt of Mr. Webb, he must manufacturer's produte, he should. he' glad to hnow, Fesofiegter, on. a former evening. The' reproettr
observe that that Gentleman was so perfectly con- who were—Ulm:re hear'!]—No —No greater mischiefi that bed been Caste:pen them (most enmeritedlyete'.
sineed that prices could not be kept up to what they could arise, than that the two claes of the cote- I would say) he hoped now' to do awayeleyinformlng
had been some there- back, that in all his leases, lie tit-unity had opposite or operetta intereats.---[Crier"ofe his lion. Friend rind the Meuse that the priceeof
pat a condition that the refill were to fall as the prices hear, hear!]—There was, in {mint of fact, a positive l beer had been toweled thetlay—[Near', hear !)--- I
fell. As to the'new taxes, he did not see how they' identity between' both. It was impossible toeirne I not its tonsecpience of the Artist of the Chancelloe r
could affect thelierliets: Attu the poise rates; he prove agriculture, without infusing into manufettete,lot the. Egcheljaer, or' the 'clamber out of ' doers;,
was inclined to' believe' Alt AO Wduld-rather fail ' particularly in a country tike this; the benefit of thei bat in consequence of certain Measure! that
,had been
than rise. Hula ed Xi be felt himself upon this advantage: In some small States, in aucient time!, taken, and which waited to be put iddiecution 0517 r
subject, and witting wobble* infoereadoti, be bad andlesome. feet/ (eery, firo). of modern, this effect i till it was' known' what werelo'be' the plans of the
'toted for the aasieintment'ofternitntliteeln Wolf- may not be apparent ; but in. a. nation like theirm. Right lion. Gentleman: ' The price Would havieborboeenr:
elle it.' ?hi' Mittiet eiti ionaidersible time, and 'the one ieterest could not posses resources .iodo- ,kettereibefore, had thOse plane been knoWit . .1
bestowed conddWcebte tudttiiiptut the InvOtigallon. pendently of the Other:,-add the true 'property -,of IHe had presided that day ate Meeting
' • I
A• he had not," bellitSti et the of Teldeensetse;
ilthellitif the whole both would always be found reciprocal.--iftear, where the proposition had been received with as