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WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 5, 1823.

PARLIAMENTARY COMMENTARY.

There was nothing in the Lords last night; but in the
Coamons there Were several things of great importance;
nothing, however, which will not come under oar view
*gain, except the motion of Mr. Hume relative to Irish
Church Property. We cannot, however, help mention-
ing that Sir Thos. Lethbridge said that to-day he should
present a petition relative to the Jesuits ix Ireland.—
This petition is, we suspect, from Sir Harcourt Lees,
who is the great champion of the Orange-men.—He it
from whom it will, it is a matter of great interest; and
will tend to make a great stir. As to Irish tithes, Mr.
liume moved the following resolutions:
1. " Resolved, That the property of the Chureh of Ireland
at present In possession of the Bishops, the Deans and Chap-
ters of Irelantt, is public property ; under the controul, and
at the dimposal.of the legislature, for the support of religion,
and for such otherpurposes as Parliament In its wisdom may
eeern beneficial to the community; due attention being paid
to the rights of every person now enjoying any part of that ,
property.
9. " Tbat it is expedient to inquire whether the present
Church establishment of Ireland be not more than commensu-
rate to, the services to be performed, both as regards the
nueslikr of persons employed, and the incomes they receive,
ap4ifflo, whether a reduction of the same should not take
rica,with due regard to all existing interests.
That the peace and best interests of Ireland would be
promoted ,y a comriutation of all tithes on such principles
as should be considered just sad equitable towards the pre-
sent possessors, whether lay or clerical.
6. " That a Select Committee be appoints t to consider in
wuat manner the objects stated in these Resolutions can best
b- carried into effect."

These wens supported by Me. flame; a
speech of great length, and containing a great mass of

volnable information. Such a speech cannot be report-
el, and we trust that this Speech will ind its way into a
pamphlet. The motion for going into a Committee was,
negatived by a majority of 167 against 62. A great
deal of violence was shown by the opponents of Mr.l
Herne. But very little indeed did they discover in the
way of orpiment. However, here is the subject fairly
b?.fOre the country. The qnestion was one between the pro-
prietors in possession or in reversion of Church property.
throughout the whole kingdom; between these on On e side,
and the rest of the natim on the other side. There was, in
fact, so argument erred against Mr. Hume, who was most
vi..le dly assaulm I ; but who repelled the assault in a
vary able mmoer.lle great opponent of Mr. Hume will
ha found to he, as te..this question, the rooted prejudices
of the people of England ; and care enough was not I
taken during the debate to steer clear of this rock. Mr.
Grattan said that Ireland had become, in Get, " eatircly
a catholic coustry." If we were to argue the question as
a relirious one, we should say how useless it is to
maintain a Protestant Church establishment at such an
immence expence, while it causes the protestaets to de-
crease, and the catholic to increase in number. Bat
whoever makes the question a religions question ; who,
ever demands a taking away of any part of the Church
property in Ireland on account of the iajustice which
the prrsent system dues to the catholic., will surely be
defeated. "No popery" would defeat a man a thousand
times more eloquent than any man that we have ever
yet known. Mr. Canning appears to have said nothing
during this debate ; but Mr. Peel did; and spoke in a
very bold tone. Nothing can be more true or more rea-
sonable than the resolutions proposed by Mr. Hume;
bat it is nevertheless true, that the acting upon those
resolutions nould ntitke Ireland a catholic coantry in
political power as well as in religion. We, for our part,
wish that that were done; but we know well that it will
rot b: done until some very great change take place;
and, certainly, never until there be a reform in the
• House of Commons. Mr. Hume would produce
catholic emancipation. His is the plan for emanci-
pating catholics; and until that plan be adopted, it is use-
less to talk of any other. We cannot conclude, however,
without observing that neither this plan nor any other
pion can relieve the nation and enable it to cope with its
enemies, unless there be a large reduction of the inter-
est of the debt ; and as Mr. Hume does not, and will not,
as he says. give his consent to the taking of one single
shilling from that interest, we must confess that he is
nndoing with one hand all the good that he attempts to
do with the other. We want a part of the church pro-
perty applied to the liquidation of the debt; we want the
crown-lands to be sold, and to be applied,to the same pur-
pose. We want sacrifices to be made by Civil List and
by all departments, to prevent injustice and ruin to any
one class of the community ; bet, we repeat that if the
Jews and Jbbers bs to give up nothing, it is a matter
of indifference to es whether any thing be taken from
any body else. In short, if we continue to pay the
ftdl interest of this debt in gold, we are quite satisfied