The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-03-01 00:00:00

gidill.ll.lll.imat We. Nn. Brookes eas as Nithe latter point
vas lewd attending to, as it furnished a further apeci.
rill of the peculiar mode of investigation adopted b,
the Mme. The name of the woman who was hart
MO ABM DOW. The examlnadon of Mis. Brookes
own all es fellows :—" Is obi h otarried woman ?
..fie whdow. Wu she • sosallitised wonsast—
Aka the sill that lam ; she is rather alight." And
hating obtained ties much from this witness, they yet
d,„, ,ht it seemeery to pot this goestio•-•-“ Is she a
0,1 r•—.. No, she is as old asl aim" Tie/ pour woman
who was wounded was examined herself. She stated
that she west by with the funeral—that lathing hap-
pened wises the foam' went by. except that a soldier
shook his fist at a wisdom. She then stated that she
est strait with a stone or brick but from the whole of
het aumisation it was quite apparent that this took
ow Ile the return of those who accompanied the fune-
ral; Ire heist% asked which way was bet fats at (bodily.,
„be stated that it was directed towards Oxford-street,
sad that +he was going towards London. The next al-
'rodeo of importance which Mt. Sheriff Waitlimao phi
famed was to the following effects—P. Immediately
several of the soldiers rushed at me with their swords
demo, and use actually loaded his carbine and directed
it towards met but was, as 1 am leformed, knocked down
hr see of thwcosstables."—Now this *as an allegation
of se mach importance. that if true, it claimed the int-
deomediatn,e istetforeacebe of authority but In reading this
owoed he could awl did one syllable
to be* out the allegation that a soldier loaded his car-
bine aid abated it towards the Sheriff. He (Met P.)
should have thought that the testimony of the con-
stable who was represented as heels, knocked down
the soldier would have been quite oeseinsive. Bert on
referring to the evidence of that Orson, what did he
state? This witness hiring said that he saw a soldier
with a turbine in Isis hand levelling it in t mayor'
which he described, was farther asked this questions—
"What was your idea of his pointing I was it that be
wandeltiog sat the Sheriff ?-1 cannot say that," fee.
He was then asked—" Was it in that position that it ap-
peared to be presented at Sheriff Weidman ?" and what
was the answer?—" If I were upon my oath I could not
state that." Aod this was the testimony of the man,
who, it was said, knocked down the soldier that pre-
seated his goo at the Sheriff. It was not his (Mr.
Peel's) intention to criminate Mr. Sheriff Waithenan;
bet he most say there was a waist of due consideration
is poldag forward some of his allegations, which ought
astatally to induce very considerable doubt as to the
aright to be attached to the whole. Then was only
eMelbeaßegation remaining to which he would M-
oulds attention of the House. The Sheriff proceeded
ufiffiews:—" When I desired some of the constables
lempsineat to the °Meer* in the most respectful terms,
ogle** that the soldiers should he kept within the
bunch', the message returned was. ' that the Sheriff
wield be d—d; they would not maketheir men prisoners
Sat bo.'" The goatee would remark particularly the
twos of this allegation. became the evidence would
ahoy sack a variance between one part of the passage
sail tie testimony of one of the witnesses, as to make
as additional ground of doubt with respect to the
whole of the charges. It appeared from the evidence
of one of the constables who went into the barracks
far the. purpose just stated. that he had no orders
fres the Sheriff to go thither, hot that he undertook
the matter voluntary, for the rsssona stated by himself.
Ile demist, in any case, the answer represented to have
len loot back was most improper, if it really was
tattled. Bat in addition to all the grounds of
thebidolliek boiled shown behoged to these alleeatiass,
these all+sitawiespasitives denial his Hos. end Gallant
Ttiaad,Niaaabariaalragoastersbire. But to show the
vane= the Sherif and the officer Levi, it was
sly May to read part of the evidence of the latter.
• Cflimi'dli you antler gave you authority to go to
Ilerlieslis sad see the officer, and giteeNr. Waithman's
reinint2--Because I saw danger would occur from what
was gubw se." He did sot mesa itapug a the conduct
of ales_ Ater, who, in a case of emergency, would make
no of a same of authority for the purpose of obtaining
Stith greater success so desirable an object as the testa-
ratios oforder and peace* be only ads(' ted to the pas-
sage fee the ;purpose of comparing allegations with
proof, and to show bow completely. in this instance,
tier varied with each Ober. These were the only ape-
alai allegations which be thought were of sufficient MS-
lattisce to deserve attention. Bat he could not avoid
saying that there were, both in the petition's of the Cons-
oles Council and in the letter of Mr. Sheriff Waithman,
reeds g I allegations which it would he impos-
sible to meet by any practical refutation. Such, for in-
stance, as the following:—" At a critical conjonctnre
the soldiers were left to their own exasperated feeling,
tad manifested a lawless spirit"—" that the Sheriff was
left to protect the people against the attacks of an infu-
riated soldiery"—and "that the gates bring opened the
toldiersruslied on t and attack.d the multitude, without
distinction of age or sex." Now, with respect to the
latter charge, he supposed that it would be sufficient for
its refutation, to say that with, he believed, one excep-
tion, there was no serious wound inflicted on any of the
waltitude. Upon the whole, then, he was of opinion
thu there was no case made out to warrant the house in
esseurring with the motion. It was matter of surprise,
that if the case of outrage was so strong as it had been
',presented, why not appeal to the ordinary tribunals of
the conntry ? Why no criminal prosecution? Why no
attempt to obtain redress? Witt.), on the other
hand, he considered that every exertion was
made by the Sheriffto quell disorder and tumult—when
such a body of ronetald... as were stated to he present
bad been collected for the purpose—he could not con-
ceal his surprise that, notwithstanding all this prepara-
tion, and notwithstanding the occurrence of so much
ontrsge as it was said haul been committed, yet not one
man was apprehended throughout.. He was ready to
admit that the whole bent of the evidence showed that
the wouthy Sheriff was actuated by a disposition to
maintain order and peace. Allowing to the worthy
Sherif all the credit that was due to this laudable nao-
ttu,it was not too much to say that it must bare been
melds the knowledge of the worthy Sheriff that his pre-
ac
_ vas not likely to produce Otos e desirable results upon
S. aloccasion. He could not acquit the Sheriff of hay-
ser forgotten on that day the station in which lie was
;if, and the line of conduct that was becoming in
for
whose duty it was to conciliate and pacify. Was
y
'or instance, decorous for the worthy Sheriff to ad-
dressf the niultitnde in such I •nenog eus this: Hissing
Is not the manner in which yOu can annoy the soldiers—
the only way le which yon can annoy them is to remain
quiet —iyis this an expression fit for a preserver of
then"este! He did not withhold from the Sheriff the
r‘,r.ed.i.t of good intention.; but such a mode of carryin
'l. disposition into effect was not that nhich any cool!
nitrate
opl on m.nanwon Id have adopted. lie would repeat
thrt" 'thue
application
thatof o ease bad been made oat to sap.
the worthy Alderman to the
hment or the House. rte saw nothing in the military
I::itnhadlisy io
it
re as natural to expect
eircnstancesin which they were put.te
t.wrin
t.hirk..r.riayir.as raised that two of their comrades were at-
no overpowered by the multitude, and what
.',:ira,d,r-ru:ethaseiatnit,itat they mated out in a violent manner
Tonate persons from imminent danger?
t'fhlrali w.ene
nn..tryt conviction of his mind therefore win, that
aotoir'si.
was
a
d n.elei themselves with as much forbear-
'hi to expect from men in their Or-
' lethal/ so he must add that he did not
• e House Ought to cot, ratio the tuoli4o.—(liter,
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Mr. DOMAN said he was ewe the Horse mot haw
beard with mach gratification the grave and 'able arga-
sent of the light Hoe. Gestlestal, particularly nitet
contrasdeg it with the speech of the Hon. Alderman'
(!;r W. Curtis,) in which be bad thought proper to sub-
stitute insessowahte levity and ridicule for remolds, and
fact. It was new, be believed, re the lwandes.o "
House for a itepreseatadve to stand eenspienetts In
throwing dirt apes his coestitnents, who east him there
to take care of their interests, and when an opportunity
did occur, to see ilia their character, at least, should sot
lose.—(Hear.) The Right Hon. Secretary declaredthat
he was content with the evidence before the house—that
it was sailleient for his purpose, and therefore It would
sot be necessary for hint to refer to the depositions cat-
anted with this matter new in the After the Secretary
of State. But the Right Hon. Gentleman had concluded
his argurneet by stating that the soldiers had rushed oat
to save two of their comrades, as it was natural they
should, and urged the circumstance as one of the reasons
for voting against the motion before the bowie. Now
there was net a syllable of this circumstance to be found
in the minutes of evidence, and if not on the mimics of
evidence, the fact must have bessi takes from some other
I document not before the house. He conceived then that
the Right Hon. Gentleman had not kept his word, when
be announced that he would confine bee judgment of the
ease to the evidence before the house. Let the house
then leek to the examination of the evidence by the Right
Hon. leetleman. He (Mr. Peel) attempted to sbew a
variance betweea the allegation of the Sheriff and his
officer, with respect to the message, and the improper
answer delivered en the part of the Horse-guards. Aid
the Right Hon. Gentleman appealed to the authority of
the Gallant OMcer above him for a complete negative of.
the charge. Bet the house would see, from theshowing
of that Oallant °Seer, that be was not present when that
I answer was iven.
Colonel LYGON-It was all my own observation.
Mr. DENMAN continued. The House would see
from the nature of the case that the dallantollicer could
not have been present at all be described; sad it was re•
markable that his (Colonel Lygoo's) oatmeal did sot
once mention the name of Mr. Sheriff Weidman, er
say any thine of the message from the-Sheriff. But the
ght Hon. Gentleman relied en the evidence fur a refit-

Titan of the charges, and be (Mr. D.) must say that he
never vet heard etidence examined more unfiirly than
was the evidence oil the table by the Right lion. Gen-
tleman. The house should consider that this was not
evidence such as was admissible upon a trial at law, but
such as might be presented to a Magistrate, and intend-
ed for no other purpose by the Common Council than as
a document which furnithed grounds of inquiry, and
facilitated the mode of conducting it. Thus, for in-
stance, that very passage which was so facetiously e-
luded to in the course of the debate, was no more than
an investigation, not as to the truth or falsehood of par.
fielder facts, but as to the mesas of getting at the Malt,
and the names of competent witnesses to be examined
in after time. It was
ment as that so much dwelt upon was evidence. He
hoped the house, by its vote, would refute the strange
doctrine of the on. Alderman (Sir W. Canis) that a
Sheriff of the City of London could not act in his capa-
city of Sheriff for the County of Middlesex without the
presence of his colleague in office. So that no matter
what violations of the peace were going on—no matter
how dangerous were the riots in Middlesex, a Sheriff
of the City of London, who was able and ready to cheek
the disur ters, must stand still (for he was but half a She-
riff by liiinself,ssid the Hon. Bart.) because his colleague
happened to be present at Brighton, or a city feast. (A
laugh.) But the house would see that the Sheriff did
not mate his statement to Lord Bathurst for die Pqr-.1
pose of having it implicitly credited, and acted on. He
merely Direst it see a greend ef inquiry, and OS Oft& it
deserved the serious attention of the House. The hnn.
and learned gentleman !lien entered into an exailination
of the evidence respecting the (aloof Anne Dalton, sat%
endeavoured to chew, by reading several passages fume!
the Minutes, that she might have been the person in-
jured by the brickbat which was Hung over the barrack
wall in the morning. Bat whatever difference there
might be about the identity of this person, the ease,
united with the others, formed a strong ground for th.
institution of an inquiry. He defended the character of
Mr. Sheriff Waitliu.an generally, and pieced before the
House in a forcible manner how every witness concurred
in attesting the real and perseverancA with which t,
Sheriff endeavoured to maintain the public peace. It
was asked, why was there no appeal to the ordinary tri-
bunals of the country? He would say that there was a
snlEcient answer to that question in the cireninstances
which occurred at the inquest on the bodies of Honey
and Francis—more particularly alluding to the llitfil' Ii y
there was in identifying the individuals who had com-
mitted the outrage. Let the House, then, remember the
conduct of Government upon that occasion. There was
Mr. Sheriff Waitlnan, Sir Robert Wilson, and Sir B.
Baker, interfering in the most humane manner, and, as'
was admitted by all, stopping by their personal inter-
ference, the shedding of human blood. They were the
list of the proscribed. Then let them look at tile ease
of the Manchester Magistrates. These the Ministers
applauded and thanked. Those who would prevent
slaughter were rebuked and degraded—those who fell
upon the people, were favoured and rewarded. Strange
policy ! to stigmatize and degrade the lawful exercise of
authority when in favour of the people, and cLerish and
honour the innovations of the military when exercised
to their ilisidvantage and destruction.

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