The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-04-07 00:00:00

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THE STATESMAN.

security. Ile halleied he could not more fully ex. headed that the House would not be disposed to de- spect to that conduct, or the use that might be ma
plain the nature of it, unless he communicated to the lay the Manaiddration of the Prinieltegent's Message, *of the force (n)reparation, anti whether the, ill
Noble Earl (Earl Greyre copy of the Addreee which or to postpone the expression of its opinion upon the : mate end should be war or peace, must depend upui
be should propose. • , present exigency, until all the Papers connected with 1 the issue of circumstances to be determined on tbei
Lord GRENVILLE said he should reserve the the cogocietions at ChotHion should he laid on the own merits.
full expression of his opinions till the night of dis- -table, and until the Hon. Gentleman should have an ABOLITION OF THE PILLORY.
cession arrived, but he should even then state his en. opportunity of considering these 'Papers. Upon Mr. M. A. TAYLOR rose pursuant to notice,
tire approbatioq of the two measures mentioned in these grounds, he trusted the House would not feet it and after stating the object of punishment, as defined
the osimmunicatioo from the Throne. The situation in necessary to revise its decisloa for takls the eges. by the highest authorities, d welt upon theextremelyob
.which this country was placed was most arduous, sage iuto consideration tomorrow. • jectiotiable character of the Pillory, which was by ,
and one in which active and vigorous measures Mr. WHITBREAD expressed himself peeelleely means calculated to answer that object—that punish.
were necessary. But whatever might be the course glad to hear that no such secret articions,onderstand- went, in fact, serving to elevate some men in poptd
which might be taken, the best hope of Europe was ing existed, as that to which he referred. , But as to estimadon,while It produced the destruction of otherk.
In the Intimate concert between the members of the the Treaty proposed at Chatillon, he thought it ma. by popular fury, in direct violation of the law. Hi'
igteatallianee. These two sentiments were the only terial that the House shoed have some information principal objection, however, was the uncertaint
=au which the Message conveyed—the only upon that subject, before it entered into tits consider. of this punishment. Courts of Justice should alwar
. nts which the Address should express, be.
satioo of the Regent's Message. It was a mistake to apportion punishment to offences ; and it should ,
fauna the present was not the time for a decision on suppose that he required the production of all the I 'wither more nor less than their sentence ; but if the
phe ulterior question of peace or war. Neither ibould Papers connected with the negociations at Chatillen.. pillory were tried by this rule, the absurdity of that
Pm prematurely stale his own opinion as to. the course A short extract wotdd be quite solicit*, describing ! punishment woold be evident to all. In the year
litfilch this country should pursue, bet await the time , the terms upon whicbtbe Allies were at that time', 1759, Dr. Shebbeare, who had been convicted of ,
• IWhme that great and dreadful alternative might be willing to conclude peace with France aid without1 libel, came upon the pillory in full dress, attended
" • pieginted for their consideration. such a communication he calla-wet think the House Iby his servant in livery, who held an umbrella over
• . Adjoaroed. ' prepared to discuss the subject *Ms Message. The ' him. 'rho libel was contained in six letters, ad.
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delay of a single day with a view tosobtain *ad to , dressed to the people. of England, and the Hader-
goust OF COMMONS. consider such an important fact, he ceituei: suppose Sheriff, who thought with the populace on that oc-
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,Ik amout we& promoted of the expeFaof constructing in any degree disrespectful to the e of his I cation, did not ask the. Elector to pat his head into
Me Mist. widishe apparatus far coining, &e.—Ordered to lie Royal Highness 9 or inconsistent with the Illietenee 1 the pillory, but merely to place his bands upon it.--.
as she mile.
A. ~,,„„t„,, tom the Amy (mom of the rime *dime,' which that House owed to a oemmenicadee Irma •Is the cue of Daniel Isaac Eaton, who was convict-
!), tee Treafallir of the Navy, under the 43d of she King, for the Throne. The Hesse had, indeed, been•lled ,adof a libel for publishing Paine's Age of Reason,
te..lloravery af the looeimae. to suspect, from the iodination of the Chnisditer . and who was sentenced to thepunishment of the 01-
readouts were proseraurd from certain Corporations and lan-
ppm' of kaieharee. in favour of the Scarce Trial ky Jury of toe Exchequer, that the Massy wend ban lory, the people so far from showing the least had-
iian:-‘-orileree to tie on the table ias was a imilar.Mition been brought down on Wednesday and amen . wility towards him, expressed the greatest indigos..
TM's
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rven inteing day would have been allowed for its den at his having. been pot there. The Hon. Gent
iltellirrieeesere Bill was committed, and the Report m- sobs = ape-morrow. consideration, before the Home would be coiled ape* r theo stated two or three other Instances, to show the
The Poor Bill was reported gad recommitted.—Re- to decide ; but the Noble Leeds from his impeder uncertainty of this punishment. Sortie years ago,
poet soseseroe.
SLAVE TRADE. . knowledge of tactics, thought properto postpone the four men swore away the life of a Peden named
Ile. ROBINSON moved that the Howse Amid on Monday presentation of the Message until this day, the pre. Timms, fork robbery. They were afterwards tried,
creak as, a Comosieno. to consider the several acts relative decline the possibility of dee cossidiratios. The and convicted of a cons • sentenced -
wOr/ 2 Win
ar diebbiliNeinsit
. Trade,
torid the
pe ifteightthatiiamritztelemzclesnoot i Hon. Gentleman disclaimed an intention 0 disre•T the pillory, and pilloried In Toren' places. Thies
Coma vie rap= teagemision teethe careof negroes, peadiog sped for his Royal Highsmith' Regent in thee pres. of them narrowly ,escaped with thole -lives, the
*Pee-ottos was settee to
. sing for some delay ; adding, that although he bad other aspired in the pillory. He (Mr. Taylor)
• Ilse m.
As Aerosol of the Romipts and Dishonements of the no hope of persuading the House to change the ceder was astonished-that a motion bad Mt doe heel
Thames that Nackedise, fey 1514, was presented, and laid on the . upon this subject for Monday, he had little doubt made to *badspunishment. • There were
task.l that, from the lel•gth to which such debates usually other inhumes). mishit he wend sot Illesslioll
THE BAKERS. •
Mr. MELLISH presented a Petition from the Bakers of the extended, it would become necessary for colleen- the House, where persons enteiced to the pillory
Ply of Leads*, Itraylag time until the 1016 of May, fur the 'ince to adjourn the discussion front to-sorrow 40 had bean nearly killed : bet it would be bitter, if
osithe of a Milt for the regulation of their trade, which Li ..A Sp
the Vristivorm demand accessary to masequence of the Mond : Peck crimes deserved death, that the Ine should leek,
seaset of the Committee to its.atigate the taw of Assize, I Lord CASTLEREAGH aid,
id • ehot when this : them caPital. A few yens ago, trite men were pd.
:flaapseri WS" Net Couiliceittooll have mdewhltts
regulations it House came to the discussion be woilla glee seek ex-. krkd at Beentford, for compandldiett a idii uto ill.
e‘reet be eurdjeu, ea, Imo to spar, wi ;planation respecting the propositions at Chatillon as formation, lathe mob, Irks awe never very tender
- it . FRANK LAN D LEWIS professed himself averse to the was proper, or as had any connection with the sub. towards informers, nearly killed thew In Scotland,
re which the Paimers appeared to have in mew.
• HUSKISSON wee as advocate for die prayer of the
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. on i‘sON thole*. that as the Bill which the Peti-
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ject of the Regent's Message. With respect no the persons may be sentenced to the pillory without •
1 presentation of this Message, it was to he considered Jury ; and a person who wee recently sentenced to
that the Lords did not meet until Wednesday, mod that punishment wee afterwards delivered train it by
=Kr professed to have Is view was, altkoagh a matter of
aid /perimm., re, be regardedawhnimoy as a private Bin. that some previous intimation wai due to that House, en order of the Court of Session. Punishment
toms* requiring a 11/441t11111 of ibis nature, it was but as to the intention to make a communication of this might not to **lid without a legal sentence. To '
said
...kirelitsioresobe niaenerhisuivrieminabsPen tiebetgrrniendold(lvistra.tedr:—LewTso : astute, which was usually presented to both Houses man in the higher rank of life, the punishment of the
would weardc, al his objeetiem aoplied am to the Pewits, at the same time. Now es to questions generally, pillory Us worse than death itself ; to the hardened
sisabeiier4,lltagtfeeF. the "MI" which the Potiaeows outwits' ibe tilt it necessary to abeam, that it would be well individual, it was no great object of terror, and his
' Illie eistte Peter wasagesid to. I if Gentlemen proposing to put any goestions, wend family would not Nair in proportion to these of eel mier
, - :eeittiAGE FROM THE REGENT. t either previously apprise Ministerl of their intention, parlor coisstritwilion. The Honourable Gentleman
.., LeriLCAWI4EREAGH presented a Message from or else that those Gentlemen should, wait until the
to death
the were of Dr. Dodd, who was sea.
pots Repi.Rigliness the Prince Regent, which wag Ministers were in their places. 1 to death ter the crime of forgery. Previews
• gll: 'the Speaker, and fora copy of which see * Mr. WHITBREAD.--What then were we to do, Ito rentence being passed, b• addressed the Gnat
when the Noble Lord was at Insane ? , 1 stating his former life, and his services is incense Of
°mimed he be taken into consideration te.mer. Mr. PONSONBY began to &dada& that ha ' religion ' • and after having mentioned that severe!
Pifer, was not at all aware that the Revert Mange baud bees rescued from vice by his exertiens, he
.. 1 41811111 time had elapsed, ga it-would lave been presented so early,. es he shield ; elided then words 3—" Condescend, my Lords, to.
i WHJTBREAD rose mad observed, that bad have been in attendance. *t be hoed that. the I Slink that if these considerations aggravate my feel,
Be-ben preset et the time the Message Ina pre. House would, upon the subject ei the blessege, 41w, bow much they meat embitter my ponis‘
iota (which, by the way, was brought forward at allow him to trespass on its indulgence for a few em. i anent."-!..The Honourable Gentleman concluded with
o math more earlier asap the public business meats, although there wee no motion ander consids. , saying, that it was grating to his feelings telsere
wee mull: upieted be should have °keeled to Win. The Message, be observed, was composed such a punishment as that of the pillory in the hands
the motion, Wog the Consideration of as for to. of two parts :—First,• his Royal Highness told the of a Court, who might treat the admirable author of
sorrdw. Upon a question of such -magnitude and House that he was preparing to 'augment oar force ; Junius, if he were discovered, in the salsas manner
Importance, more time ought, in his opinion, to be. by sea and land, In
scoemuence of the recent events !as the most atrocious criminal. The punishment of
alfbrded, is order to prepare the House for its coo. in France; and, • ly, his. Royal Highness i the, pillory was the remnant of- a barbarous age, and
eideratida, especially where the object of the Mes. stated, that be would act in contort with der Allies, the cruel ingratiate of Star Chamber authority.—
sage was not clearly expressed—where, in fact, it' In thus psoceediug, his Royal Highness had, in his He then moved and obtained leave to bring in a Bill
was couched in such equivocal, such indefinite terms, (Mr. Ponsonby's) opinion. been advised to do that 'to abolish the punishment of the Pillory.
that it was difficult to understand the views of those I which was wise and proper, for it was wise in his 1 FORZION WINE. ,
with whom it originated. Besides, as the debate I Royal Highness to have the *entry lu a kite of 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
hires such it subject was likely to be long, while the adequate preparation for any emergency, end else Odd, that in consequence of a communication which
'abject itself naturally called for some previous ex- Ito preserve an intimate communication end concert he bad had from the Portuguese Ambassador, ro.
;insulation, he should rather have thought that it with his Allies. But beyond those two points hi , ercting a representation to his Court, calculatedto
prsaid be mere convenient and proper to appoint ! did not wish to express any opinion, nor did he obviate the necessity of this messes., be should
Moodily than to-morrow. On these grounds he i think the House ripe at present to give line farther press It no farther, Therefore, the Right Honour.
should to-morrow move a postponement of the dis. ' decision. As to the use to be made of the forme able Gentleman moved the thirding of it this dot sit
evasion until Monday. But, preliminary to that which his Royal Highness was preparing, that would months.—Agreed to, and, of course, the Bill is lost.
discussion, he had two questions to put to the No- remain for consideration; but upon the two points Sir JOHN NEWPORT gave notice of a me.
ble Lord : Ant, Whether it was true, as had been ,to which he had referred, he, however otben might . don foi this day mennight to abolish certain LAM
promulgated from a sort of half authority, that a se. differ from him, was ready to say that Me Royal Offices in Ireland, the business of which is ceecated
cret understanding bad been entered into, or a se- Highness had been rightly advised. Beyond those by deputy.
en .t article annulled, between all the parties to the points, however, he was not prepared to go. He, isr. PONSONEIF HOUR.
wished to be informed what OF BUSINESS.
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Treaty of Paris (excepting France, ef course), would not enter into any premature. discussion. He .
pledging those Powers to maintain the Rouse of was neither prepared to say that his Royal Highness wag the precise nein which public besieges was to
Bourbon upon the Throne of France ? And, se- and his Allies should plunge into a state of war, nor be understood as commencleg I—This was a sub•
ject in which the Members of both' sides of the
r-ondly, whether the Noble Lord would think it that security was to be found in a state of peace.
House were interested, ind therefore, it *end be
consistent with his duty to communicate the terms of He need not ay that his wish was that the tatter
the Treatyty proposed -at Chatillon, upon which the should be found attainable, but he felt it impossible well that some positive arrangeepent nes leads. For
Allies were then willing to conclude peace with at present to oiler any opinion upon those points. tismwi,r; It was immaterial what stee the beers If be
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France ? If the Noble Lord should not be die- Ile ceold, however, readily say, that his disposition- '"*" ""' .
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posed to accede to ibis communication, it would be was to vote for a suitable Address in answer -to the The SARA It ER saki, that tech business had sisal.
for the Hoes* to decide 'whether it would not be es- Regent's Message, provided that Address contained ly commeaced it haft-past four, although When there
pediont to demand such communication, which be nothing to pledge his future conduct. From the fell wee much private tkulitess before the House it was
(Mr. W.) thought highly inalerial to the due need- declaration of hie ^Pinion, When adequately lateral. tiecasiopally pestponed till five. Within this Sento%
deration of the subject referred to in the ft.genee : id, he should never be found to shrink; tat 4ot
abbek_wever there heditepo:s east orprieate business,
.... .
Message. I Would never declare premature *Week alentmgr-uwaill;it so °lieribe it, led- beam public business
L..rd CASTLEREAGH said, that as to t%e-fipstiist premature discussions; Therefore, he wend shim wt's'et *Mold upon. '' : '
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observatio of the Hon. Gentleman, -he-did-cot pre., stain from such opinions and discussions in this lei.' Sir JOHN HEWPORT einermi, that this' day
stut-biallioyal Highness's Message till half past four; stance. Ile would be glad to vote for lie Add ,- the •Regentsohimeage had been presented_ before half.
o'clock, which, from his previous .1 ...., f,...
intimation, be ,of to.morrow, and he hoped that but a short dimmer r--- ••••• •
could not deem as ton early an hoer for the intro. i don would take place upon it. In 'his jedgment it? TIN SPEAKER observed,. that, with leave of. the
declines of such a subject. Then, as to the day Sled , was decidedly wise to consider and prnide against . Hoses, be should hereafter Intimate to any-Mena.
for the consideration of the Message, be was rather I any new difficulties or dangers likely to arise out of her bringing forward public bisinem before half-past
gpfprised at the Him. Geollentee's observation, be. the present state and prospects of F ; and four, -that this was tbi period settled for its com-
ities. it week' be recollected that, oat a former day, therefore he highly approved of the preperaliesi , 11t5nee°•me",,,,.„1..,.„,,,„ ~_ ,
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Sr dialectic stated his purpose of proposing such an which the Prince Regent's Message annommed; but' '''''' "'""":3" 'wag° in ,two Bills for die.
afforestine and enclosing the Forests of Exmoor and,
aerieseement is describing the cousne of business for as to the use which Goveniment might ultheatel_ y
Brecknock.—Read a first, and ordered to be read a
demo seek, aid with a view to thisarrangement he make of that preparation he should an bold billealf .
dunned the Peelpoomint of. the American. gawks bound to support it by any vote which b. senamijoicoOd time to-morrow.--Adjourned;
Awe ihiente, ID Tuesday, is order. is he Message present disposed to give. IJe therefore eland did ''. "
mot to be neddered en Friday, the Huns Address of to-morrow Might be so drawo alp ali :111
of toil ha
adoloppiedeedoubtr debate on awe seccemiee meet his views. The Right Honourable, Goittleasisi Iliof
Mat I yof this cooddeeatkin, it concluded with expressing his -*axioms hope dheilit ' 'r '
40110 Inconsistent with the anal practice might on be &end inconaitent with the with-411 " .ir
We have seen a Gentleman who left Boston on tit'
last mouth. It is not easy to ex the
ow whigh., preiaits in the Eastern. Siationf
, in conegoenee of the recast liaeillte.
, gegleetpone the conskteratios oft M. icorope to preserve a state apiece , midi. ayeaggeig, ,
..s7totiowild-very gatteri• ng hopes were word of chii
karat
. ebe Ttrr as early considerailee was celetulties of wok
wisi
~. Is deference to the Threes, Di was .
Lord CASTLEREAGH ..
,-ed commerce between the two countries..
said that without -ited,` Aileen the projests of the Executive Government of
sever delayed. With respect twat. Hos. cipatieg the discussion of ts.asoo:ow, to 'Allierielle bad ..i , scald awn., the wer been continued, was a decisive
.. Ileretlon, ante No MMUS article, us. the Right Honorable Qestlemen that it .welt tier natal Peri ' La
se orfty on the • kes; that three very
dentesidiege et engagement of the egtemt alluded le preposed by.the Address is contathpktioo to phidgi Imph s. in of hen' Were contra ctin g at Secitett's
bi tbe SOO. rilentiebia ha/ eat eifilbenetwein the' his opinion, or thatof ' sr' H the *an' '
ta one, as .to . Harbeer,ihe object of which was to secure that pro.
Alibi; toll os to U. soma gelatin, be *appro. evaded of his Majesty's. Onisinmeat. ' Midi *' simulate,— • • • •

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