The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-20 00:00:00

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sentences. But 'the peaclictof eulugtaiiespullic.
delinquents has been by no means. confined to tl,e
present inquiry. Whenever, fur Instance, a pctit.on
has been presented to the House of Comusons, com-
plaining of the most flagrant and unblushing arts .'f
injustice and oppression oa the part of some colonial
governor, or some time serving public officer at home,
we generally have had the pleasure of seeing Mr.
A. or Mr. B. start up, and of hearing him say, ti
the person complained of, was a man esteemed and
beloved by all who had the honour of his acqesiat-
once ; and this disgusting adulation has been too
often utteret! in the face of stubborn facts. On those
occasions we have bed the task of publishing jars,
similar to the following. " Mr. B. could assure the
" House, that Mr. C. was the last man in the world
" who could be guilty of such conduct.--(Hear!)--
" He (Mr. B.) would say nothing of the system com-
plained of. It certainly wanted correction ;—(hear
" hear !)—but he was sure the House would be jest
" enough to distinguish between systems and indiri-
" duals.—(Hear ! hear ! hear')—He would appeal to
" Isis Hon. Friend on the Opposition Bench, Mr. D.
(Cheers)--who could vouch for the justice st ts,
" (Mr. B.'s) assertion relative to the distingnishee,
" most honorable, respectable, and respected Mr. C.
" —(Cheers again.)—Mr. D. then rose, and observed,
" that he was happy—(load cheers !)—to give hie
" feeble support to the glowing, yet just description
" which had been given of that truly, honourable, just,
" and humane Gentleman Mr. C.—(htsptnrous cheers!)
Ile could only say that that Gentleman was Inca-
pable of the conduct imputed to him by the petition:*
(load shouting and screaming !!)
This is the way in which the just complaints of the
people are met by some of those who call themselves the
National Representatives: and this is the conduct of
many of the men who daily pray to the Almighty that
he will divest them of " all private prejudices and par-
tialities." We can only say, that either their prayers
are nut offered sincerely, or the Almighty does not hear
them ; for, however these men may quarrel among
themselves for profit and emolument, they are per-
fectly agreed upon duping the people.

The Brussels Papers which arrived last night by
the Flanders .Mil, contain the subsequent account
of the opening of the Session of the States-Heaeral,
by his Majesty the King of the Netherlands
&gussets, Orr. 11.—His Majesty opened this morning
the Session of the States General, in person, by a speech
from the throne. The following are the passages relating
to Foreign Powers:—
Our Foreign relations continue to be maintained with re-
ciprocal good will, and 1 hare the satisfaction of being ibis
ti assure you, that I continue to hope that peace, white is
se necessary to us, will be preserved.
By amicable negociations with the British Government, 1
have succeeded 1■ ieskiog an arrangement, modifying Our
first article of the Convention, which regulates the cues-
more, of land-owners and mortgagees, toSjeets of the king-
dom of the Netherlands, in the Colonies of Bemorers. Esse-
quibo, and Berbiee. By this arrangement, sanctioned by
our high ally the King of Great Britain, the liberty of sasi-
gating with the vessels mentioned In the first article, is pro-
longed for a period of five years.
The exertion of my Minister at Constantinople, seeoaded
by the Ministers corm' august ally, the Emperor of Russia.
Les succeeded in Inducing the Ottoman Porte to fee wise
our ancient rights to the navigation of the Black Bee. Ills
Majesty theo drew a favourable picture of the internal mate
of the kingdom.
The King will hold a Privy Council to-day, at the
palace of Carlton-House. The summonses were issued
yesterday afternoon. Among other business, the Re-
corder of London will be admitted to make big report

1.

MR. DENIS O'BRYEN,

0„ Readers are aware, that on Tuesday last, an in-
oaatios was laid before Richard Itirnie, Esq., at the
pabGc office, Bow-street, against Mr. Denis O'Brven,;
ofel. cearen-street, Strand, for publishing a seditious
end isearmatory placard or posting-bill. The ground
ihich the information was laid, was on the oath of
ba ham of No. 1, Gardener's-row, Westminster, who
one, that on a certain night in the month of
mout year, a gentleman, whom deponent had bees
d, dad rerily beliered to be Mr. Denis
0; came to his house, and pulled out a bundle
ei rioted kills, and requested the deponent to post
tian ea the walls front Westminster to Smithfield.
The hilt beaded—" To the non-represented," was one
ei ;how he had so posted.
It was not till yesterday evening, as we were in-
boa, that the attendance of Jones could be ob-
hiiej he the purpose of ascertaining the identity
d!dt otryen. An opportunity was then afforded
t;,, &resent, by waiting on him at his house in
entwine ; and after a personal interview, we
Los, that Jones declared that Mr. O'Bryen was not
e gentleman wb• employed him. Jones, it appears,
to his own account, contrived that one of his
eliald follow the gentleman in question, in order
r.. iiwever his same and residenc4 ; and harinir, traced
fi, so. Craven Street, add seem him ("kr Me
k 'so, viler arch riretantstanees as led to tine belief
thlt he wet she et-rapier, Jones bad inferred that Mr.
tt Bryn, shoot he discovered to be the occupier of
the home, had been his employer ; and with that I
flimsies, had given the deposition on which the
va:rant against Mr. 011ryen had been sought.--
In this state, at present, dues the mystery of these se-
d.tlous publications remain. The discovery we now
c finmuracate, only tarnishes another reason for sup-
iv)); !kr that Franklin was the employer of Jones.

THE QUEEN.

ROUSE OF LORDS.—(Tnts Moamtmc.)

Privets were read at the usual hour, and the Peers
w-re called over. The defaulters were Lord Clinton,'
%;.,roest Arwou, the Earl of Aylesbury, and the
Maritimes of Exeter and Cornwall..
Tie Marquis of LA,MIOWNR rose, and moved that
EZ.r Lonlships' order for the daily attendance of the
chiesses on the present trial should be read.
The order was read accordingly by the Clerk of
loose.

The Marquis of LiNscowNit said it was highly hes-
rrtant, sat only for the convenience of the House,
ttit fat the purpose of public justice, that the
rrder is question should be obeyed. An incon-
mince hod already been occasioned by t;te
ass-obedience of the order yesterday, in respect to
6e witness Sacchi. The Queen's Counsel consented
tt his saatuination on the express condition of his be-
ii; then examined, and it appeared he was not forth-.
nosiest. In fact, he (the Marquis of L.) understood
that It was impossible for Saechi to be forthcoming ;
for that he uas not in London. 11'hether that were the
case ur no, he trusted their Lordships would take some
e 'et tual means to ensure a prompt obedience to its

The Earl of LIVERPOOL fully concurred in opinion
with the Noble Marquis, that the order t f the House
Mould be obeyed, and that obedience.enf ,reed if neces-
sary. He begged, however, to remind the Noble Marquis
that the suggestion fur calling in Sacchi yesterday
raw from him (Lord Liverpool). On the Queen's
I..unsel consenting to 'Sacchi's re-examination, en-
quiry ass wade for him, but it appeared be was not
nett the house ; and a messenger who was dispatched
by his Lordship returned and stated that he was not
at home. Sacchi, however, was not out of London as
the Noble Marquis supposed, but would he (Lord Li-
verpool) understood be now forthcoming when neces-
sary. lie would beg to propose that on the calling in
the Unsnarl, they should on both sides be re-
mithir I of the order of the House, and informed that
tie Home would expect to God it obeyed.
The Jlarquis of LANIDOWYE explained. He was
Ala•: to hear that be had bee■ usisinforuied respecting
haechi's absence.

The Loan Cnanexu.on said, he understood yester-
day that the Queen's Counsel objected to the repro-
decline if Sacchi.—(Cries of no, no.)--it appeared
certainly that be had been mistaken ; but upon read-
ing the newspapers be was never more surprised in
its life, than when he said they stated that the Queen's
Counsel consented to the proposal. He declared op-
ium his honour, that he understood at the time the
Quern's Counsel objected to the calling in Sacchi ;
bat he found he was mistaken.
The Earl isf 11.40DitsiDALE attempted to speak, but
the cries uf " order" and " call in the Counsel," were
so load that his Lordship yielded, after saying a few
words Which we could not distinctly hear.
Cannel *ere then called in.
Ile Lord Chief Justice AnROTT delivered the opi-
aion of the Judges on the question submitted to them
yesterday. His Lordship entered into a full and els-
horate detail of the practice in the Courts over whisk,
himself and his Leained Brethre. fresided, and par'
tienlarly explained the rules of evidemee as laid dowel•
and adhered to in those Courts. He explained tbilt
Ile principal object of those rules Was to protect any
witness front being taken by sarptise. for bat rets-
ina it was that it was established, thatta• oeidevank
teak be received contradietery of what bid heels pee-
tisunly given, without that Witness having bees
tinetly examined to that particular point; and if ber
Lad not been so examined. thee he shield be called
Lash. Under all the eircumseasees • of the ease, they,
new uf opinion that the
,question nfenbd * them
cold nut lie put. .
The Loan Cnancit.t.oa ifieti called urset lir.
areeghtun to stew, if kif laPa. Pace* I
skald be called. . • .•
• • • •
Mr. iiitovenam data, Jae named to whet he
,kid yesterday said, vie.: that he tre‘ *Wing to en-

amine Sacchi if he could he produced at that time ; but
he must object to hit being called now.
Lord SIDNoUTM informed the House that Such'
was on his way to the House yesterday, when the
House adjourned. This could be attested by several
Members who had met him coming down with Mattle,
whom they told that the House had adjourned.
The Loan CnaNceLatt.---Am I to understand, Mr.
Brougham, that you do not consent to Sacchi's being
called ?

Mr. BROUGH3/4,1 repeated that he could not now con-
sent to his being
The LORD CRANCRLLOR said, it was his duty to
ask if it was their Lordships pleasure that this
question should be put. For himself he had only to
say, that his opinion coincided entirely with the deci-
sion of the Judges.
Earl URET did not wish to consume the time of their
Lordships ; but he must beg leave to call to their re-
collection that there were two grounds on which it was
contended, that the question in dispute ought to be
put. One ground was on the assumption of agency
being established against Sacchl ; and the other was,
that it was legitimate to discredit the testimony
•f Sacchi, independent of any contradiction, by
proving that he had been engaged in corrupt
practices. His own opinion was that there was ground
sufficient for the admission of the question ; for there
was that degree of connection and agency made ont
between Sacchi and the Milan Commission that he
could anticipate no objection on that score.
Earl LivititeooL could not agree with the Nobh
Lord that there was any thing in the transaction whieb
could establish general agency with regard t.
Sarchi.

Lord ERSKINE declared that his opinion with res-
pect to the propriety of putting the question w•as not
hanged. He was sorry he could not airree with
the opinions that were just delivered. The Queen
had been tried by laws not known to the Constitution.
That House had already admitted that adolltery was no
crime. They had proceeded to degrade her by a Bill
of Pains and Penalties. and now when they had set her
upon her defence, the) submit to all these restrictions
from which the prosecution had been exempted.--
(Hear, hear.)

Lord I).vas LET said that on the gnhiert of agency,
he wished to say a few word'. lie then mid from the
minute", that part of the evidence that referred to that
point.

Lord MAxerus (the Chancellor of Ireland) the.
rose. He thought the rules of evidence were equally'l
applicable to one side as to the other. They were'
formed as well for the protection of innocence, as the
punishment of guilt.—(Hear, bear.}—Anil he thought
that the House would not be doing justice if they ex-
tended them to one side and not to the other.--(Hear,
hear.)--But he thought that on a point of such im-
portance, the House would do well, to assist their
judgment by the opinions of the Learned Judges.-.--
(Hear, hear).

The Marquis of LANiPOWPIE felt as much respect
fur the opinions of those Learned Personages as any
man in that House but he never would, while he
held a place in that House, refer to their opinion a
matter of fast, upon which that House was petent
to decide themselves. He thought they would be
deviating from that line of conduct, which they al-
ways had, and he hoped, they alwa:-1 would pursue,
if they were to apply to any persons, even the Judges
themselves, to know whether agency had been proved,
and that was the point before them.—(Hear, hear.)—
He should he always ready to submit with deference
to the superior knowledge of the Noble and Learned
Lord who had preceded him; but in the present in-
stance, which was a simple question of agency, he
thought the House should decide fur theneselves.—
(Hear, hear.)
The LORD Cus:scat.Lon perfectly agreed with the
Noble Lord who bad just sat down, that the present
question, which was simply a question of agency, the
House was perfectly competent to decide. lie would,
therefore, with the permission of the House put the
question. Whether the question proposed should them
be put.
A division being demanded, the Huns, divide' ac-
cordingly. (In the division there appeared—
For putting the question . .
Against it

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Majority sgaiust putting the question .
On our re.adniissiosi, the Marquis of LINSDOWNE
I was about to rise. He had to call their Lordchips at-
Iseation to the correspondence which it appeared in mi.
dunce bad passed between Mr. Powell, the agent for the
prosecution, and Col. Browne. He considered it abso-
lutely essential for the purposes of justice, that this cor-
respondence, or at least a part of it, should he laid before
the House. It would be in their Lordships recollection
that the House had intimated its desire dui the wit-
nesses who had been examined for the prosecution should
be forthcoming at a moment's notice, should their Lord-
ships require it; sad it appeared in evidence upon their
Lordship.' notes, that a highly important witness
named Hasteiii had been sent out of the kingdom, tinder
the direction and through the instritnientality of the
agent for the prosecution. Upon notice of this circum-
stance, that agent had been called to their Lordships
Bar and examined. He admitted that he was aware
of their Lordships order, and that he had seat Rastelli
out of the kingdom, notwithstanding that order.
The sole reason which he had stated to their Lord-
ships, for having sent the witneis away was, that he
wished to quiet the minds of the familict of those
persons who were now living in Counts-garden. 'Fbc
Noble Marquis then read that ,part of Mr. Powers
evidence, in which he had been examined as to the.,
motives which induced him to send Rastelli . away.
Now, their Lordships having thought proper to exa-
mine this agent as to such motives, and having If-
ceived his declaration ea oath of what thee. motlees
Were, he would ask, if thou, motives malt sot
to be collected from the very best evidence which
could be procured, namely, the letters, or extracts
from the letters, which he bad sent to Celoael
Browne. Having pit inch qoeitions, their Lord-'
ships were otpdoobtrolly entitled to call foe
letters. He Ousted their Lordships would not be
told dip they bad put themselves in a situation „of
Isola, put a witness to tkeir bar, sod thereby created
an ansabshuitial and imaginary platy. If they were the
proeswatiri, and the witneis Was their agent, he srovild
' ask iftiteie meat, during *coarse of evidence, had with-
' &awn Esy part which wassmseatialte truth, weed say
one a< their iliOrtfeiqips, sot hole& IVO' tltis poseutdimi.
of every tittle of is/formation to 64110?