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(panty in the country.—(Shoots of hear !)-o'ould coo
rent to nothing short of having the Crown and Consti-
tetion prostrate at her feet.—(Hear, heat.)—While he
lived, while he had the power to stand forward in the
defence of the Throne and the Laws, he would never in
sitruce sithinit to see this done. He would never suffer
she Lunstitution to be trampled on by any itsdividual
uhatever ; nor would lie unresistinAly endure ber mea-
wires to be promoted for party purposes.--(Hear.)--
What did the Hon. Member for.lEasex mean by saving
he won'd no* vote one shilling of the supplies, lie was
sire lie was too lintuane to 'object to this measure, and
that be must have contemplated some pecuniary provi-
sion to be necessary for the Queen in whatever way the
vli ages against her terminated. The amount alone
could in any man's eyes be the matter for consideration.
And if the Hon. Gentleman had perniitiral him to go
on and unfold the proposition he bail to matte, without
departing from the usual order of discussion, he would
have discovered that it was not his intention to have
touched at all on the subject of the Queen's guilt or in•
imeence. He should have thought it unmanly to bring
lier conduct judicially before the Mtile: nor was he
prepared to put that to a derision upon one short vote,
thick bad ocetyied the House of Peers so assiduously
fir many month*. Rut was lie thereto'? to sit down
adder all the taunts and revilings of the Gentleman op-
posite, beeped upon him and his colleagues for dis-
charging the most arduous duties ever imposed on any
llinistersi Was he to antler them to call that oppres-
sion and persecution which bad been a most painful
task, most conscientiously fnitilleti.—(Hear.)—Was
to have the Gentlemen opposite assailing the preroga-
tives of the Crown ; without stating to the House. all
the prudential considerations on record, staring them in
the face, anti which they were bound to take iutu view,
iii forming a judgment its this matter, consonant to the
duties they owed to their Sovereigns anti to their
ettuntry?-4raa he to suffer the Gentlemen opposite, ur
their (tirade, to agitate the country to its totintlution,
by continual gabbling paltry motions, such as those
. Lronght from the North of Scotland, and others of a
similar kind, without their ever daring to bring the
question fairly to iestie, or putting it on its broad prin-
, iples to a vote of the blouse?—(Hear, hear!)—Why
did they no'. meet the justice of the case? Why did
they resort to stieh opposition as the Noble Lord.% (A.
Hamilton), and the Hon. Member's (we understood Mr.
Wistern'a)? The thing was so ebvious, that every man
with half an idea must see that all they were contending
for was power in the state.—(Hear, hear!)—lt was for
this they were agitating its peeve, and aggravating
these distresses which the lion. Member opposite (Mr.
Wt'teru), affected so deeply to lament.
ill r. I ERN EV rose to order. The aaaertion that time
lieu:tempo on his able of the House agitated and in-
flamed the country, merely for the sake of getting into
place, could not, by possibility, he orderly.
The SPEAKER sail, lie was waiting for the cmich
'ion of the Noble Lord's sentence, to inform him that it
was not in order to speak of any Hon. Member's
ejict-
ieg to deplore the distresses of the country.
Lord CASTLEREAGH assured the Ilan. Gentleman,
that he hail not used the word to give him pain; than
which nothing mild be further from his intention, nor
less consistent with the respect be entertained fur him.
Ile was most reluctantly impelled to pursue the coils,
of argument in which he had indulged ; butt lie never
eittilil allow the Hoes', and the Country to he a,
to the nature of the proceedings arainst the Queen, in
the manner that had been attempted by the Gentlemen
opposite. 'the withdrawal of the Hill, he was ready to
a.huit, waxen end to tlie iptestion of guilt and
h'on'or,
in as far as it was determined to originate 110 new pro-
ceedings. lint his Noble Friend (Lord Liverpool) in
taking that step, was not to be conaideteil as hating
tlwreby sacrificed his entire judgment upon farts. Ile
llosa-ailielis richt so refer-to the protests signed by Peers
after the third reading. These formed public records
which could not be put out of sight on this question.
All that he could du was in making the provision fur
Ilse Queen, to abstain from agitating the question of her
#. tint or intuit:cure, and making the offer without askine
airy admission of the former on her part. Parliament
was not be disturbed from its course by her interference.
She might, if she pleased, reject the pro %Ilion it
rams to her in a proper shape, but the !louse had twining
to do w:th her objectiona now. It was ler it, as slue to
his Majesty, to proceed to the order of the day ea his
mucous communication. And he protested against this
a•tempt to disturb the peace of the country, or to dictate
to the wirsoni of Parliament on a paint which mils: inn-
sitably lead to the agitation of other subjects, and to
rolonged irritatien anal ferment.
Mr. TIERNEY ropeatea what had passed when he
rest to cull the Noble Lord to order. The Nuble Lord
waliseil him anti Isis friends of desiring power. Ile was
tot one of those who liked to say that all his objects
nese of another nature. On the contrary, lie confessed
that he was ambitious of power, and that ler considered
the adherence of party to be only advantageous in pro-
misting its attainment. lint if the Noble Lord meant
that they would take power on such terms as those um
which he and his colleagues hail held it, he begged Ictre
10 11110 W hack the aspersion with scorn. Ile titular'd
that be would rather die on a dunghill, than take the
hid 's lbw for such services as he had seen performed.
—(Dear, hear.)—lle felt some warmth iu making this
statement, which lie hoped would he excused, as Ise was
ready to excuse the Noble Lord for the heat which -he
bail displayed. His warmth the Noble Lord imputed to
11111 anxiety to get into tact.; awl he could readily' attri-
bute the Noble Lord's heat to the dread of listing it.—
(ilear.)--The Noble Lord was 110 W must guar:led allow
the Queen's character; but every meeting thrtrietiont
thit country proved the melancholy fact, that the r:.-esta-
lhallinent of her character was inconsistent with his
rontioiting to hold office. The Noble Lord would re-
present it as unmanly to bring her guilt or i 'since in-
to question now: he did not know what his feelings
might be at present, but he would say, that the 111S11104-
iIIIIIS he threw out last night were most unwarrantable.
'rhea lie hail felt no reluctance at presnming upon her
guilt. And if he abstained at this moment, it was only
to attack the Message which she had sent to the House.
With the framing of that paper lie had nothing to do,
lint if lie had been in the Queen's place, it was just such
a atweinent as lie wmnuhl have sent. The Noble Lord had
iirerpreted it as setting herself in oppoattiou to Parlia-
ment. Ile thought it the reverse. It wax to avoid the
possibility of such a position that she took the first op-
tiertunity of saying to them—" I learn vou are about to
aome arrangement for me; take no troilltle about
it, fir I will not accept any pecuniary provision, unless you
absolve my character. •• This lie affirmed was the proper
mars'. for a Queen til England to pursue. The Nuble laird
also t tok merit to himself for not instituting any new
preceedings: the reason far doing this was very plain—
fir durst not. But he did what be mild. lit.; tore tip
ail the old surface (as lie called it) of the proceedings
in another place, and lie threw as much Win o upon the
Rarer front them a, lie possibly wrist. Ni.,v further,
he challenged the Moue to follow him in tliis, and to
'annul their opinion on these records.. lle (Mr. Time))
would du no such 'little. :•:or woulilie allow the appli-
cation to him of the Noble Lords charge of agitating
the country. Ile, from the beginning, had not clone
any thing of the kind. (In the con'rarv, he had acted
lei mildly as to meet with the complaint-
of some of his
"wn friend., anal even to incite the compliments of the
Noble Lord. All that he claimed; and all he contended
tar, hail been that when the case was closed, he should
ti.,:tc there as if nothing had occurred, to examine it,
form his opinion. Was 111? 1101 V to be hampered
oh these proceedings elsewhere, even ashen no Hill
14.11! come down to the House. lie looked on sach

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demand with perfect horror—with perfect horripea Ha
was bred to the law, and the law abjured it. The e4ll-:
cation of a gentlema• insured the utuisist repnguasiee'
to it. The Constitution and all the principles of jostler%
were hostile to it ; and be never did b*ltete that the
desperation of a discomlitted Administration mold have
driVen them to such a step.—(Hear.)—lt was not easy
to comprehend the meaning of it in the phraseology
of the Noble Lord, but he could read the sentiment
more clearly laid down in his own paper.—(Cries of
order.)—))yell, then, he would not refer to that; he would
say lie hail heard it said by those who heard the Noble
Lord.—(A laugh.)—The substance was. that a majority
of the House of Peers had found the Queen guilty. He
asserted that they did no such thing. The second
reading had been agreed to, and not a verdict of guilty.
He affirmed it; or of what use were the stages of
a Bill ? What was the reason that fourteen who noted
for the second reading did not vote for the third t Was
it not notorious (he hail often done it himself in that
House), that Hon, Members often voted for the second
reading under the idea that the measure might he so
moslelled in the Committee as to be entitled to their
support which it was not in its then state. But here an
assent to the second reading was to be presumed to be
iquivalent to a verdict of guilty, upoo my honour. If
that were the case, the most degraded slave in Turkey
had equal justice with an accused Briton. On the con-
trary, it was generally understood that the first reading
of a bill in that House was a matter of course to the
Noble Lord who introduced it; and that the second
reading made it the measure of the House. But, as the
Noble Lord o as so fond of this countenance, why did
not he take the third reading ? Because, on that occa-
sion, the tine moral feelings on which he rested were
cunlined to Ministers themselves; to Ministers, so deep-
ly interesteii in the conviction of the Queen. Ile com-
pared this to the case of a deck' by a Jury, where
unanimity teas required for a conviction; and referred
to a discussion between Sir W. tirant and Sir S. Ito.
'stilly, in which the power to a Judge to remit part of
the defendant's costs, in consequence of favourable cir-
cumstances appearing to him, was rejecteil, as encroach-
ing upon the proper province, and giving the Judge a
discretion which lie ought not to possess. Surely there
was nut a man who bad ever opened a hook, treating of
the Constitution, oho must not feel, th.st if the claim
to the reverse of this doctrine was tolerated, there
would he at once an end to all the security of the people.
If Ministers cost'si have the good hick to get a Bill of
Pains and Penalties read a second time, the character of
any person might lie ilieparaged, ausl no individual in
the country was sate. But since then, since the
withdrawal of the Bill, the whole course
of Ministers hail been to east a sti.. ma on the Queen.
The Nelde Lord (Castleseali) hail stated his Noble
Friend's (Lord Liverpool's) 'motives for with•lrawing
the Bill. He lead wit, however, rrini oiled them that
the Nsi'de Earl hot tleclarA if the Bill was lit
passed she sliuttld be reinstated. Ilail she been re-
instated ? No, because the Noble Lord ts'astlrreagli)
averred there was a moral co it iction that she was
not entitled to the respect of Cie country. The No-
ble Lord sail it is lint a r !lit of public tourney,
leaving all other consider.ci..:is out Of view. The
Noble Lord felt AU lightly of :;it in;; away the public
sooner, that lie would du it u::,!er any circumstances ;
but be no.st, at least, see first whether the 'object was
or was not worthy of it. With the opinion enter-
tained by the Noble Lord that the Queen, though
technical's- conyic....l, hail sustained a 1111 oral con-
viction, he won Ivred muds that the Noble Lord
could rise in that Iloiloe with a grave face to propose a
grant of 5t ,000/. in favor of her Majesty. Ile hoped he
was not very umusuatitiolun-d in the- lasagna.: he used.
n lieu he, as one of the Guardians of the Publice Purse,
declared, that he womb' not vote sixpence of the public
money away till be knew why he was called upon to
sin so, and saw the propriety of doing it. To him it
appeared that the Queen hail been arquitteil, and he was
therefore of o.picion that no traces of` the prosecution
sought to remain. Was there one thing nnconstitntional
in this? The Noble lath) haul said he and his col-
leagues hail no objection to be tried, hut then in saving
this he had pia in one stipulation, that he himself Would
draw the indictment. Ile (Mr. T.). was of opinion that
the Queen was placed in the most ernel situation that
ever any W(1111411 0111141 he 1.1ar.,.1 in. She had hem
fully tried as far as she caudal he tried in the House of
Lords. The Bill of Pains anal Penalties was not a mea-
sure which be could approve. The only pa 11:11 ea was, that
it had to come before both !lenses of Parliament, and no
verdict cosdal be prononnerd on the question, posiOy
or not guil:y, till the proceedings on it were com-
plete in both those btattches of the legislature. The
tours: which had been finally taken with the Bill was
not a little extraordinary. Ile should be glad to know
why the Bill hail not passed ? It was said to have been
given up because the measure WAS not grateful to the
feelings of the country. foal' the Noble. Lord per
himself that the lower he was now taking would
be grateful to the feelings of the public. If the line of
conduct recommended by the Noble Lord were adopted
by the House, it would then appear that the Lords, who
did not pretend to represent the people, hut whose an-
thority was, for certain good reasons, made hereditary,
had more feelingfor the people than their own represen-
tatives. Where did the Noble Lords in the other House
of Parliament find the sense of the people? He could
out tell where they sought it. Where did the Commons
learn the sense of the people:—lm their own House,
from the Petitions on the table. And yet, with these
Petitions before them, they, the Representatives of the
people, were expected to do that against the sense of the
people which the Lords had rrin.wal to do. The Noble
Lord had said, that he had a right to refer to the pro-
tests which had been 'were,' against not passing the
Bill. By whom had the third reading been carried ? Ily
his Majesty's Ministers anal by nobody else. When
the Bill on the third reading being carried by a small
majority, was in consequence given up, there were eight
or tell Peers to whom he gave all credit for their in./isle
and independent conduct, who having voted for the Bili
its its previous stages, disdained to stand cap in hand to
the Minister, and give it upon his bidding at the last, and
accordingly signe.l a protest against abatidoning the mea-
sure. lint wereany of his Majesty's 31i IlienerS alllollg iilOlW
who signs-.1 these protests —was the Lord Chancellor one
of them ? No, he was no:. He (Mr. T.) hail never seen
a change so sudden in his life. At one o'clock lie had
seen a majority of the house in favour of passing the
Bill, and within a few hours afterwards' on hearing a
speech of little more than five words from the Furst
Lord of the Treasury, nearly all of them were of opi-
nion that no more ought to be dame, those only accepted
who had signed the protests, to whom lie gave all credit
for tlseir manly and consistent _conduct. The Noble
Lord had a right to refer to protests, but Ministers had
had no concern in them, an-I were in no way identified
with those who, 'saving cute-1 for the first, second, and
third readings of the Bill, felt it their dnty at last to
complain that it was nut passed. Why dial those eight'
or ten i'eers act such apart Because, as they said, they
believed her Majesty guilty, or because they wislitsil to
extricate her front the fangs of these who then had her
in their power. Why was the Bill given up ? Be-
cause the Noble Lord at the head of his Majesty's
Oorrrumeut knew the feelings of the House of Com-
mons to he so much against it, that it would never
11 • A course was taken which had for
as,
its object. to degr.ole the Royal Personage they had
failed to convict. The origin:ll ev:lits,,in of her Ma-
city's name from the Ltudy 13., held to be as great

an tipersiOn as could be cast on her character. In one
of the protocols which had been published, it was stated
that. " in the absence of inquiry, the opinion foniird
me the conduct of her hlajetty most remain unchanged."
Well they had had inquiry. and still it was seen that Mi-
naafis had adhered to the opinion with which they had
oirigiemlly set oat. The NoblebLord now professed to
what for tranquillity. He had no doubt that he wished
fur tranquillity, and the Noble Lord would be very glad
to have the Members of that House coming down tran-
quilly to vote the Supplies. by simply saying " aye" or
"No." But he would ask if anyllentleman who heard him
mould believe that the course taken by the Noble Lord was
that which was calculated to tranquillize the country.
Would any man say, " Ifvou, the House of Continuos. vote
that the name or the Queen ought to be restored to
the Liturgy, every thing will he tranquil, the country
will be satisfied, and all will he well ?" He did not ex-
pect to hear any one bold this language, but, oil thecon-
teary, if he were to describe a person wishing to under-
mine the pnbiic peace—wishing to perpetuate the evils
that had fallen on the country, and keep tip a lasting irrita-
don. he should describe the course of the Noble Lord
as that which such a person would be most likely to take.
The Noble Lord seemed to think, that if he paid the
Queen MOM/. per annum, allowing her to lire where
she pleased, that then all would he settled. In this he
had deceived himself. He (Mr. Tierney) honoured the
Queen fur the message which she had sent down to the
House that night, as it marked a contempt for ntuney,
and a regard for character above every thing. The
Noble Lord had said, that the Queer', on the the provi-
sion being voted, might accept it or reject it as she
pleased. He, however, did not know that they had any
right to offer it in the manner proposed. The present he
held to be an attempt (indirectiv made, because they
wanted courage toslo it openly) to vilify and degrade the
Queen. and this they were ever happy to do when they
had the opportunity. He doubted n Nether, in !mint of
form, they could toroceed to make the provision contem-
plated, on any timing contained in the King'.: Message.
It stated " advances to have been maoe from time
to time," and ambled, " tinder present circumstances,
it would he for the House to determine what ought
to he done." Hut ivlot was meant by " present
circumstances ?" Ail lie knew was, that the Queen
hall been put on Inver trial—that the proceedings
had been abandoned ; that hitherto not ante si ogle
sixpence had been vo:eml :is a provision for her Majesty;
and that in every possible way rare bad been taken to
insinuate that she mi as entitled to no politiral respert.—
The Noble Lord had said, that if her Maj, sty had he'll
convicted, it would still hare been necessary to do smone-
thing to provide tar her maintenance. :llost undoubt-
edly this teas true. It would then have -en for thews
to remember who she was—the imeigli! which she
hail fallen. her former habits of life, and other cir..itaii-
eaticee, and these being considered, it would nut have
been lila faith if a coinfortahle provision had not toren
made for the Quern, even in that ease. lint. now hr was
not prepared to sanction a grant of .10,000/. per annum,
finless it were sliewn that her Majesty was Its bull is
a rank as required it. Ile could vote a slim to an entire
Queen, hot he knew net what ti vote r half Queen—to
a tainted Queen. To an entire queen lie might readily
tote fifty thousand pounds, and lie it:L.:lit perhaps think
that was hardly stitfrient. The `mobil Lord had made
some remarks on Cie intended motion of his Noble
Friend (time Marquis of Tavistock) on the subject of time
°Merits Council. The Noble Lord wished furs direct
motion on the subject of the exclusion of her Majesty's
name from the Liturgy. Ile should have it. But then it
would be said," ll'. these Opposition men—nothing will
satify them.—livery thing was quiet and going on
well, when they come town m.gain with a new ms
tion to agitate the country agaimi." If the Opposition
acted such a part, it on:rht to be remembered
that it was called for by the Ministers. They
had repeatedly said, " why not bring a direct motion ?'
He woalil now take upon himself to say that a direct
motion they should have. —(llear.l----It was necessary
that a direct emotion should he e for restoring her
Majesty's miasmic to time Liturgy, )is it this were not done,
it would appear that the House lent piles( ear to time Pe-
titions oldie !wimple. The state of this country and time
world was very different front what was known 40 years
*go. The lower classes (as they were called) were now
well rdimeated, amid were capable of forming• a judgment
on political questions, but that judgment was likely to be
warred by distress. nder such cirmunytances care
ought to be taken not to do that which must irritate
them. It ought to be remembered that the whole ques-
tion now before them came to this—whetier or nut, an
acquitted Qmieen miss entitle,' to the lernefit of an acquit-
tal :—(Hear.)—The Noble lewd expected, wit a direct
motion. a large majority. Ile teas perhaps now more
sere of it than he was on a form-r debate. But many
who totem; for the motion then offered as an 34tiencliturtit,
and which certainly was not very iiiireasonable, at seven
o'clock in time ',mewing, would not vote for the Noble

Lord on a direct motion for the restoration of tit..
gliPen.s name to the Liturgy. Many iiiroihers roul,l
not return to their homes—to their clubs—:o the so-
cieties in which they moved, having voted on a direct
motion, that exclusion of the Quern's name was neither
vior inexiwilient. Poic once done, it should
seem that it was not to he undone, and the sale:). of the
State, the dignity of the ',wet', out the tr!•iquillit)
of the pithily, %ere alp ,n be ri.zlieel; and an act once
dime by the litiisters• might riot he altered. Be-
lieve me, Sir, (said Mr. Tierney). the Noble Lord may
talk as loftily as lie !drawl, but it is urns firm conviction
that.ber Majesty's name will be restored to the Liturgy.
(Hear, hear, hear !)—lf he were to }ro out that night
with only ten Members, and the othet six hundred and
forty-eight were to appear against him, still should he
believe that this subject bad such hold on the public
mind, that unless the Noble Lord haul fresh charges to
prefer against the Queen, her Majesty's name must be
replaced. in the Liturgy. If the. Noble Lord had no
new charges to prefer, it ought to he at mice restored.
Aliniaters were bound to do all they could to allay the
irritation in the public mind, and lie defied the Noble
Lord to show how this combd ever he effer.ted, unless the
Queen, now that she was acquitted, was allowed the bill
benefit of an acquittal.
Mr.:'. BATHURST began in so low a tone,-that he
was not distinctly audible. We understood him to be
vindicating and explaining the King's Message, the pre-
liminary part of which be contended calamine-al a clear
reconnuenilation to make provision for the Queen. The
Message stated, that her Majesty had not had as yet
any provision, and from that toight be gathered the
meaning of the word" present circumstances." Surely
ParKtment was the fittest tribunal to e:•tertain the ques-
tion of th: Queen's allowance. The Noble Lord had
pros erly alluded to the matters in the other House, for
they were now become the property of the By
the second reading of the Rill, the principle of it was
adopted, as he contended. That House and the Country
might judge of the evidence in the other House, with-
out takiuF into account the
ijuidge
'I li n-nt4 of their Lord-
ships. e Queen now stoou iii the same situation as
if she ha I never been accused. She was nat entitled to
Galt a boon -from the Crown. The Motion of the Noble
Lord (A. Hamilton) was hilt a tri,k of political rale-
diencv. The lti.ht Hon. Gentletwan concluded, by say-
ing, tiiat hr ahunld say no more on the principle of the
amnion, and that tha Committee was the proper place
for going into its details, and as..ertaiiiing what sum
ought, or not, to be granted to true ljneen.
Lord FaLKPATaiNit called upon the [lona! for their
own sake, for the sake of their constituents, and for the
sake of the can ntry at large. to pause before they prozerd-
ed farther. Praua the tithe the first IlleiLl;p1 was sent
down about the Queen, he hail never ceased to deplore

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the pit forbid Moisten beg It right to Wilk
EVeO asp bad bat served to eat tlt him mere sag
mete in the opiates he bad Origittally held, as to Lb*
calamities width the 'agitation of 'hit. queitiOn was
produce in the conntrv, and he would appealto
all tied had taken plate, if these discussieus could now
proceed without producing the most mischievous conse-
quences. He complained of the Speecbt% of the Noble
Lord opposite, and in particular of the sarcasm, which .
he had uttered when introducing the proposition for
making a provision for the Queen, while speaking of
the "allegiance of her subjects," and the " tender
interest" which she had inspired. The Noble Lord
(Lord Castlereagh) had talked of the unconstitutional
errors iuto which her Majesty had fallen. This lan-
Image was held by the organ of the Administration
wilier had introduced the late Bill of Pains and Persil-
ties, by a Ministry who, after aliandoning it, denied the
accused the benefit of an acquittal, and contended that
a technical acquittal was a moral conviction! He denied
that it was clear that 123 Peers believed her Majesty to
he guilty of adultery. The Preamble of the Bill set
forth a variety of arts, and the Peers who voted for the
Bill inieht hare thought her Majesty ought to be de-
graded for taking liergemi into her service, or tor other
acts charg,eil, without believing her to have committed
adultery. Ile inquired why the Bill was tot pressed?
Why did net Ministers take a technical conviction ..s
well as a moral one? It was because they were afraid of
bringing the Bill to the House of Commons. He
thought lie hail a right to state, as he multi prove it to
demonstration, that-123 Peers iii the House of Loris hart
not voted for the Bill, in the conviction that the Queen was
guilty of adultery. But if it were so, it was to overturn
the general system of our jurisprudence, not to give a
party acquitted. throng,' a thaw in the indictmen;, or
any other circumstance. the benefit of an acquittal.
That the Movie and Ministers might have time to re-
consider the subject, before they came to a decision en
the question now before them, lie moved, as an Amend-
ment, " that this House do now adjourn." The Gal-
lery was ordered to he cleared, when
:(Ir. BILL WNE rose: he &Med that the Noble Lord
(Castlereagh) had given any opinion respecting the
guilt of her Majesty, But he %visited to know what the
\nide Lord opposite (Folkston') meant, when he talked
of her Majesty's innocetire:—the innocence of 11110
against whom a Bill, charging. her with adultery, bast
been read a second time : —who, hr .110.11 second rearlin•g,
was virtually declared to be guilty of the !lighten tit%
fence which a Queen Consort could commit. Anil was
it tit that this female el lid receive and rohty the 5am....•
honours which had been granted to a fate virtuous
Queen Charlotte ? lie thought the sum of :111,000:.
tvould he an ahnoulaet allowance for a Queen whose ch i•
racier, to say the !wilt of it, was inspect. il not to i••
good ; and if a smaller sum Were proposed, ht! 3110:1:
rote fur it.
After the tiallery was again ordered to lie cleared.
Mr. LAMB rose. iir said his wish always is is th it
this business at tie% er be brimalit forward. 1s 1:10
proceedings against her 31 iji•lt'y had bees, brought to
totorlasititi, lie t cans der ;.er.us virtually acquitteil,
and therefore, he thought her name ought to he restore.'
to the Littm:y. On these grounds, lie also thought, !Old
u-as emitted to a provision. At the same time lia
thought it wonted have hem altogether us favourable fir
her it she had in the first instance accepted the 50,00%,!:
a year it hick had bei.it Offered to pier, before any trial
came on.—(Loud cries of Ilrar,hr:ir.")—:\sill crept at
the conclusion of the trial, it *mild base been as %rell
if she had given sip this point of the Liturgy.-0 fear,
hear.)--.And although he would not presume to con-
demn, be conlel not help lamenting the '.Message ivlii..ll
her Majesty had sent down to the House that day. It
wouldunwise for the House to alter its course in con-
sequence of that Message. In pursuance then of the
ditty which he owed to his cuitutry, 'id with a Vise' I.f
t•alatink the agitated silate'of nvptivriilaria, We Atm! 1
vote fur the House going into a Cominittee.—(!lest;,
hear.)
Mr. 111101 .1; HA M said, the subject had been so 131 illy
and so ably discussed, anti the sPeerit of the Nolile 1.-r
had been so fully answered by his Right Mtn. Fri. ,n I
(Air. Tierney), that hr wroth' not have said a single
word, but have left the Mouse to pursue its own eimr-e,
hail it not been for one or two observations which ha 1
fallen from his llon. Friend whin had last spoken. lie col::
net sit silent when those observations were made. lilt
he iiiltst oral., on the part of her Majesty, that site had
b•a•it nit only virtu ally artlnitted, but acquitted iu ever),
sem,. of the WOr.l, and th.it a taunt pers erse iltlig.1111•!it
WI hut- raise h... 1 appeared in more parts of the l•cise
'live one, an') just now bad been pronounce,' frosts
platter where lie least expected it.—(llear.) —lit. irtte..l
remind his Criend of the purport of his reinariss,
awl he would ask him whether lie had dealt f tidy by t::a
mkt all"- 1-1 her rotain.wi j,isti -e? In this'
metieetiievit and t..l' tt !Aitlecontst.toithrproceedieiviag.ii:lo
11-r .11 .jest', . v thing. was .tt rung that she did, and
every thing. seas ti Olt that was daft* against her. At the
the trial—at the di rent stages, wise-
flier she claimed Ilse r;;:lits of justice, or whether, at its
conclusion, she roquired those privileges which its co.:1-
menceusent bad furnished grounds for denying, all ine%
with the disapprobation of his lion. Friend. When,
ter her acquittal, matters had assumed a new sli ye;
when her prosecutors hail abandons' I their own ineastir?;
when facts nod circumstances had been totally altered;
when the King himself, in his speech from the Throw..
speaking with a voice which every holly understood—
with a voiee that had extended to ail parts of the coo tory
—hail declared the proceetliie, for ever closed ; and when
this result could be attributed to tole reason only—taut
truth had been made to appear anti that she hail been de-
clared gniltlessof the chargeoltrought against lie r,still slie
was in the opinion of his Ilvia.Frieud, as if she bail been con-
victed.—(Loud cries of hese.) lie wouldlook to the wt., 1
her judges, to her prosecutara who had become
judges, to tier prosecutors who held their places on the
condition of fooling her flaky, ;and he would Lind a
verdict of her inotwence. His Hon. Friend confesse.i
that Ministers could do nothing in their desperate at-
tempt against her ; he agreed, ,lie said, with her Ma-
jesty suit the country§ that Mioisters had done wrong:a
striking her name out of the Liturgy, and therefore site
should give sip the isoiut.—(tries of hear). lie (Mc.
Lamb) denounced the proceedings as unjustiliabie an.l
tending to the disturbance of the country, and there-
fore the Queen ouelit to crouch to thew awl Omit their
jnstice.—(Cries of hear). After her prosecutors ha 1
been obliAed to abandon the proceedings against her,
from theft. inability to substantiate them, from the twal
failure of the evidence upon which the charges restesi,
she ought, in the opinion of his lion. Ftien•l, to collie
forward and to cogregs herself guilty. Ms lion. Frio.:l4l
agreed with her 3lajesty and the country that there w.ts
no reason of expedienc4, or sense of justice, in omitting
her name in the Liturgy ; and that the public agita.!sia
arose from that omission ; and therefor, to restore tr.t3-
tenility, she, the aggrieve-1 party, should come forward
and make an additional sacrifice, anal abandon her own
ti
defence, because her •essies bail abandoned, their at-
tae:;,—(l,ond cries of hear, hear.)—The reaaoning of hie
Ifon. Fee ell ha.' been anticipated and aatictienetl he the
Noble Lord who hal brought forward the distinction lw.
tween a technical acquittal and a virtual conviction ;
if lie (Mr. liroughatn) had at any time un•lervalti the
duration of the Liturgy—if he had thought it at first 4
matter of less importance than it reanv was—if lie bast
even entertained a "1014 upon the subject, the Noble
Lord had convinced him of its importance, anti reliccnl
him from his doubt. On the discussion of his ilon.Fr:eu 1
Mr. Wilherforces motion. the Noble Lord had begets
by treating the etc-lash-in as a stigm t, and he now sup-
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monstrous in its possible &polka:ion to the characters
and fortunes of men, and hideous in its consequences—
that their might be a technical acquittal with a virtual
conviction. Hew inconsistent this was with the former
professions of the Noble Lord, he would now remind the
House. When the Bill of Pains and Penalties was intro-
duced into the ether !lease of parliamehit, it was said
that the limbers of this House were to keep their winds
perfectly unprejudiced. They were told that nate of
the evidence heard in the other House onghrmleitve a
taint of suspicion on their minds; that titir-difrerent.
readings of the bill there ought to hare no effect; that
even though it passed, still nu damage was done; that
when introduced they were to Apply their minds to its
consideration as if they had known it for the firs: time,
without plejadice or bias, and deride upon it according
to the evidence which should' be submitted to them.
" hilv let it be brought in," said the noble lord, " into
the other, house; only kt the proceedings there be
carried to a conclusion, only let it pass, and then we
shill receive it as if nothing had happened, and decide
upon it ,t i thont prejudice or pertiality.'2 Now, the bill
had rest passed, but hail been thrown out, because un- ,
'lmported by evidence, and the house was called upon to
ri-I.lliiie that it had passed, that its allegations, which
lio.l been all disproved, liad been proved, and that
its passing was to bind their miuds and consciences.
—(!heer, hear, hear.) His honourable frirnd bad ob-
ected to the fflisesace which he Or. Brougham) had
bid the itonourgif presenting to-night, and the noble lord
-I charged upon it a want of respect to the house and.
Otempt to dictate in its proceeding. Nothing could
Lure more astonished him [Mr. Brougham) than to heat
t ;tat it advanced such claims or was deficient in due re-
;ect. The message appeared to bins to be perfectly
tinoi•jectionalde ou this head. Her Majesty did not in-
terfere with the privilege* of the House, or attempt to
dictate its decisions. 'lle interpretation of the lan-
guage of her message was, that she understood from the
rotes of the House, which she was entitled to read, that
provision was to be made for her to night; and she
said that tinder the circumstances in which she hail been
lAtiod, she could not barter her honor for money:
brit' she did, there wait an end of her character, and
with her character her safety. She warned the House,
therefore, in respectful lanjruage, against voting the
grant : she told them that the money to her would he
ticless, as with the feelings which she entertained for
t',l• treatment which she had received, and the situation ,
ie which she was placed, the acceptance of it would he
imposoilde.—[Loud cries of hear, hear._?--The Noble
Lord, on the contrary, said, " Wait till the money he
',red, and then refuse it." But if she waited till then,
o•' qv. • ame authority she would be told that it was too
hte—that it acts disrespectful to the House to refuse
their grant, and that site ought to have interfered to
prevent its being voted. In the message which lie had
toed there was nu disrespectful expression, no ap-
tuee of dictation, nu claim of right, no assumption
cat' mthoritr.—(Hear, hear.)—She only. said, " You
w::•. to make provision for me; in doing so, you mean
Try io;vatitage, but allow me respectfully to decline it.'
She saw that her safety was involved in the omila:unce
of her character. If she was to submit to become the
o'.;-rt of calumnies out of doors—if these calumnies
war,• to lo• sanctioned by the acts of Alinisters, and even •
embot:ieti in acts of Parliament then th-•re was no pro-
tection for her character, and the agitations of the
coentry Would continue. Ile (Mr. Brougham) might
be `..asses in his opinions on the subject, anti his jiidg-
tt!rm, placed as he was with rel: aril to her Majesty,
n:lglit beer little weight with the house: but in his con-
',tient., he would say that lie sat, nu means of termi-
rating these discussions, or of tranquillizing the countrY,
than by doing an act of justice, anti by declaring her
Itlcesty, who had been acquitted by every principle of
/a . nut guilty, and treating Ler as innocent.—
(If e,tr, hear.)
r. BRIM said, that in his opinion it was the duty
of tl,- louse to proceed into the Committee, anti to gram
it min which should be thought proper, leaving !o the
0/ite.li to receive it or not. They would thus say to the
cbt-eii" We have made liberal provision for your Ila-
jesty we bare ordered it to he paid over into the Exche-
liner, awl whether you receive it or not, it remains at
ever disposal." The Hon. tientleman said that lie would
give no opinion upon the proceedings against the Queen;
hut be though: it the ditty of every gentleman who had
a Pu:::!•••tion to make to bring it forward in order to tran-
quil!i7e the country.
Mr. R. MARTIN supported the original moti•n.
WESTERN said a few words in explanation : lie
allude/I (as we could understand front the confusion pre-
va..r.i:g in tile House) to the agricultural distresses of
the Esmatty, butt was frciptently interrupted by cries of
spoke, spoke." In conclusion, lie said that he was not
;, owl, after what had occurred, to press the House to
a hut ton.
The amendment that the !louse do adjourn was then
put by Bit Speaker,aml negatived.