The Statesman.
London, England, 1818-06-04 00:00:00

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window put le them respectieg any tress se might
happen to please two Commissioners. With respeet
to the Eqqairy into the general manner in which the
poor weirs edecated—whitlser, for imagine, Hell's car
teucasteres were the better modi-.—there wash lAA
field of Enquiry, mud quire of e differs's, swum fie*
what was originally understood to be proposed,—
Uodoubtedly be did not see any objection to suck.au
enquiry; bet when the question was, Whether they
shield Cake ft into their own hands or wait till ans.
that Session, when the concureence of the other
Week or the Legislature might, perhaps, be obtalied,
he thought the latter course ought to be pursued.
Colonel ELLISON said, they ought to show that
Parliament, as now constituted, was an elective
Parliament. They were standing between the deed
and the living, end they ureght *to see that the cha-
ritable intentions of the former west net lerproperly
defeated. He thought that the 'swishy -ought toes.
tend to all charities—those for the relief of Adage,
as well es those for the education of youth. Was be
speaking to a British Senate or not ? Was theie ogre
honourable man, who, in a case of this kind, did
not desire an enquiry, and an effective enquiry ?
(Heir, hear lj-He should vote against the region
question, and against the Bill gamin into a taw Ice
the interim, till ao WWI, *MOO citaklba Poo Into.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE slid, be should certainly
iota for his Learned Friend's oiliest. The Com-
mission that wield be -appointed seder the Bill,
which was now almost Pertain to pass into a law,
18/41th be authorized to enquire iota sheets lathe
appropriation of charitable. feedaand that which
would be formed,. if the Address were curried,woold
be called oe to esautioe into the Education of as
Poor, generally. He conceited they were two nisi
couiected parts of the same syetrits. The ewij
of the first body would put the ceentry in p
of the amount of foods, applicable to the memo
of education—sod the investigation tat
would, by showing the general state of educed",
enable the country to judge of the best means of ap.
plying those fends. He did Dot think that the me-
agre now proposed would entangle the Hoes' of Cum.
mons in broils with the other branch of the Loutish-
tore. The proceeding was neither disrespectfull nor
unconstitatiooal, and if, as was generally holland,
the investigation would disclose abuses of a most
shameful nature, they would not be perforesloi their
duty to the country, and particularly to theme whom
especialL bound - did

they were . t• protect, U they _
oot afford every facility I. their power for the die.
covery and cute of those malversations which were so
dishonourable to all those connected with them.
Mr. LOCKHAitT supported the motion of his
Hon. and Learned Friend. Few endowments for

public ideation, were not connected with charitable
endowments for the Education of the Poor. These
charities, had naturally a
.propensity to lose their ap..
pointed protectors; for the trustees, however pro.
pal appointed in the first instance, naturally were
changed in course of time for others, less henourable
and honest, sad it would be-resod, that the evil new
sought to be remedied, was too often owing .to the
cupidity of those to whom these foods bad been en-
trusted. Out of 40 or 50,000 charities established
over the satirise, of this country, not More than five
or silt hundred had been returned into the enrolment
.sce. Could any thing more effectually establish
the miscondect of trustees than this ailed? He
' avoid not consciendoesly avoid voting for the /Wilms,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUERI
thought it far more parliamentary to negative the
amendments, than vote in favour of the Addreis.—
There were but two courses to follow—one was to
jut reduce a new Bill, the other to embody In another
separate Bill the provisions which bad been left out
of the Bill by the amendments made is the Lords. If
the Crown acceded to the Address of thit House, it
would imply a censure upon the conduct of the other
House of Parliament. The Bill its its present state,
he thought capable of doing mach ; and even torpor-
feet as it bad been represented to be, it should hate
his moot cordial support. The House woold be et
liberty to enter into detail hereafter, and follow op
the present dill by supplementary maser* Mace-
-lilted in render more kliectital the benevolent law.
Lions of the 1"141111110.
Me. J. &mum should support the modes of his
lion. and Learned Fiend, besiege the great object
of the Bill was to give the Commissioners a power to
investigate into the abuses of all Charities. It might
be tree that no Bill or Bills could be so constructed
as to prevent abuses IMlleeffilly ; yet every thing
.shoilid be done to render the benefits of the Bill as
generally felt as possible. From the Quakers, whom
Schools and clarifies were exesisPted from the pill-
slime isf Oh Bill, he bad had an opportualt, of
lefonleg that they should be happy to expose then/-
pieties and conduct adopted with respect to their
seminaries sad charities. Theyi and ail honest well
ennui.% men, could bate no reason to swish that their
Conflict should not be strictly and scrupulously
elt-
eiiited.—( hear, hear!)—For theiareasims biebeeld
ghillie motion of his Hon. end Leituda his
most decided support.—( Hear !)
Sic FRANCIS BURDErf could net help think.l
ing the objections made in another place, and by ae,
authority however high,
.proeeeded upon reasons
seek is an honeit mind could scarcely suggest tut
itself. When he considered that the very filch,
or, as eon* called ham,' the incoaspemibly leensed:
MO who advanced them was himeelf'at the bead.
of the Idgbat Court of Equity, end thelegel pop'
dien of
.tbosp who had lea their nateral prelate*,
. 'he should have imagined that his great abiiities would
'hive ban fireelk and tolentarily &medial* ded
the pole from pinta', endprearee die reside con.
secreted ie a pendiar manner by the pepsins to
which floy.were intended to be.epplied.. The Noble
Lod deprecated . the .lope of the. Leaned Gen-
tlemen, bet unless a feeling °of indignation at the
'most scandlioni Asses, and that pleader of ea *era
dearioptiow.- a 'islander of the. socessiteire 'end the
peof.—witrtian lowinspir awe tsi be 4110 a he that
Hoe*, he Geoid diseweer Odds* thaeable init. Tho
property in cpasrioa chalkinipti lw * panda! Raw
swo thee protection of the House; and be felF it dn.,
trijip
.Hen. and laareed Gest. to give hi* ibif"
idralldit fee 'Vat delgeeta reeleeerli
MlidaMiltlwberd'lisheiredbi
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tlieengoiry latil bees kept is tilt heals of s Cadunittab
if that Iliaale.bitatase le bed* emslidetwo la the rase
cesowtiboir bibottoo, wrkhba could am Imo is say
cisme*P. essft *so the .Cross. Who., he
1440 drawl • Wat, che . Issos4 Pulsed miry depose!
Nara ar Oa State .templalogkh abosal and. acthe •
arts were said to be sisters,'" one abase leis related
to somber, .a 4 yore swot mud. owe without
dibOoly paeoWing that it 11 ullongid to L..iorirbsa
oily. Qiisersoisit asehad Web thatit• WU mit
theiritesliteth to apply way. oirreediro to tWo POI
that it did ooteeloot to Omni tit lastissise eltfuirblt
iota araidsrattaitilletttlihrwilisistroadraisiegireit
se be leapt sods Oak ! wabl
asearan luvastigatioariv' data per.; Thossaliattdi
esie Amity Geoadssisee tot Woe walk to talte es L
gsiry:andto catialattliihiaosteapiatak ith
limas slow dad so eipstakre that k ttii,d.ttanda
oda* waft lotfact; s. lurk Wfte;11011 taHliiii
of away. moire t0..41e lisped*. tbahriiittiplif?
Lake distr., il of fasailissi wtivetrile Mow
was at testis ackwowlidgal, laVit Lad'
rodeo/ to a state of rein / !.11dr:ktorosse,SIOstie
distinct subject; mid ewe white, lie
taken spiry Banat sad Lamed Gletatilialwistala
ing,wo beliemi, to Sr Sasatallitoallfo-,1116! *l%
testified to seggest.the mine' of reforailvkitia 14
aliens laseedisselyla tiositiss Were soaseetat .4111
faint, and appestat; is to be so slawiefie•
eau ietpbas, thittlia shoal& apasider.tbobsrted
Gentleman; who isi 'SO diodogliloltsd MOW is
agillgiaisthiel to 91111.1 ”Ittrimotit leemiededrte
ova rowing them, plifistusiatist *esti*
achievement; and tionferred es plat Vbiteek as
coeld be bestowed on the cootnealtiii
bees said ie pain of 'admirable ingot
sort of trustees they. were who eoultilraii, bs
tbevoentry woeldjudge mftes Olfetkilty
had takes place. The Hosea could not tiara Illote
effecteal means to answer tbeidids these•isio obi*
disposal to vilify it, thee by sittligloiet Ohl% • the
abase, alluded to masted, sod rehtsiog to, ghee
(lacy to that dinsure which could alma. Iterate
them.— [Hear
Mr. tIANNIN.G declared he was lid mewl an
enemy to the oegairy.preposed by the Hoo.^Gentle.
niao's Bill, Omagh be could masers' to ,the modal*
which he prisposed to carry that object *lto elket.ms
.rise Right Hoo. Geseleitian thee ' '
the coodect of the

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had adipPted. •'''.r I' ,1:!1-• I, -•
Mr. BROUGHAM replled.-0411se Bill Ilse Wed
so changed in the Lords, that he could .tuttedirtwly
recogisise his min offspring. Hi irisifid.at I flail to
own to negative the Lords' Ameadithise, itraeldelt N
meld have succeeded, but he distreasit hii waltrjtelei.
meat, and though his Bill was metilated,, Mit it
contained something good, he had relined ti adbet
it. The Bill could not bamboos introdeced worse:
The long space which the Bee. Gesetemate(ltr.
Casale') bad aseationed, as oftwpietwith dentists&
beg epee it, principally consisted of the adjOstreeleht
deriug the Roster holidays. He tried,dering the befit
days, With the aeshonee of a Leered Friontettleb
Chancery bart.tri mike him whet le possible:- ikelt
took for their medal the Bill tot eimointlagthirffeset
Commiesiee of Baqdry; match had been seonsevell,
reoeaced by some of 'taproot. basest it •bad lima
too effective its predating • the Tenth umpire. , That
Tenth Report, and that Bilk wets as miasmal ii
ill the Noble barite said 'viand's, oust ahoy had
been made the model of the primula Imieeerig'' HI
dialed that he had boss mimed by soy' wish •lb
create a difference between the two nooses of .Pane.
liament: his coadect had bees 'brougham most
conciliatory, 'and he bad eves takes .the pails to
commenicate with Noble Lords is another photo
in order to hare whet were their wishes epos
the subject. Ile smiled that .what he ' otopanmil
would not set the two Hansel at vatianee,' bet
would Immesh More conciliatory than if le tea heat
Session be persisted in renewing a 111.1111111 P which
in this Sessims,the Ears had rejected by their/mud.
menus. A delay of ail months was of the greatest
consetiemnii by an 'equity of this kind; and when
in the nest lieselos hi shield Repoli allitlV lib
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) if he forgot
his &Nomad of to.night, which was sot impossible,
might fairly urge that he was endeavoerlog to pro.
dicirrfa pt ere between the two breathe' or I WU.
gislat ore. After relent* to the Reversion Bill,
which was rejected, by the Lords, and, upon which
the [loose had afterwardi voted an Address to the
Crown as a precedent in fie favour, be concluded
by reeding an ',strict from the Report of the Own.
minen sport this sebject, as &warrant for the motions
with which he bed troebleal doo•putie.
'll.lmo Hoes. then divided 49 glfaliftiotlii Wtiggot
The members were— '•
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, Per Mr. firseghwa's Mobil itt koalaiiti.w ' '
Oa ear re-edinission to the Gallery, wb fiend '
Mr. BROUGHAM givieg melee, that aitialitia.
sore was normally seetilatad, be weeldoperly mit
Smile, mow /sr the appoistineetet Cosmiedosais
to again lute the abases in. Cheities of j,
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with a view to root out that system of , maid eg
Hue finds af the poor, whie4,ll &it ' his
it, ba'adisatioaed by some, reteCilli Mill Err
4111114 by edgers, and shielded by a third peep ' the
.he to entenoiaate. Ibis system of pledsailow..
MK high were the parties coanectad •wills it.—
(Hear, hear I)
'Lord CASTLEREAGH toss ;Ail the if... and
Leered Geodesist, whether be Mini to see tin
Mlimarrence of the MOWN to the Ludt' emsdoente
to the Edo:dike of the Poor Bill.? -
Mr. BROUGHAM wished first to know, wise.
that the Right Hoe. Guiliano opposite (Mr.
Bathurst) mid &dhoti to his pledge of supporting
an Address to lb. Crown if the amendments woo 'Re-
tired?
Mr. CANNING said, do nos. and Lama'
Gentleman bad no tight to Oat Welk sort of guides&
Mr. BROUGHAM. would Oahe that Walser
person shoeld.slort the ansidalets. • `_ ,l . .
Lord CASTLERHAGII thee , #6 That the
Hesse 4 agree to the Lordt . , *Ads
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