The Statesman.
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THE STATESMAN.

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admnistration of an oath, and the assassination of
a man.
Mr. LOCKHART defended the measure.
Mr. ABERCRONIBIE said, that the Secretary
should be precise in his statements, that no false alarm
might be created, and Parliament be induced to act
tinier a delusion. _ _ .•

under a umusion.
Mr. BATHURST animadverted on what, he said,
bad fallen from Mr. Abercrombie, that no insurrec
tion arose without a just and sufficient cause. He
insisted that the outrage ought to be hust put down,
and then enquiry made into the cause of it ; and ob-
servel, that if the oath found had only protected that
band of trespassers among whom it was discovered,
it was a sufficient mere for the present measure.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE explained. What he said
was, that he believed there never was a goteral in-
surrectien of any people without a just cause.
Mr. MARK 'i'ATT %%as decidedly in favour of the
Mr. lIIBBraT wished that an experiment should
le made of the efficacy of the lass already in exist-
et ce, before oth*er move harsh ones should be adopted.
Mr. 'DAVITS GIDDY was convinced, that it
must be emissaries from the enemy, or at least
most evil disposed persons, who were at the bottom
of the atrocities and murders which now disgraced
the country. It would, in his opinion, be nothing
less than madness, not to have recourse to the most
f.r( mot measures for the putting down of these out-
roAes ; and the only thirg indeed which he regretted,
wag, that strong measures had not been tried sooner.
He knew not -hat possible violence could be medi-
tated more against social order and the peace of the
Empire, than the present atrocities, with the excep-
tion, perhaps, of burning the crops.
Ile question was their put, and leave was given to
ing in the Bill.
EAST INDIA CHARTER. "
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that since Friday he had made every enquiry as
to the possibility of bringing on the East India ques-
tion this tiessioa ; and now he had to inform the
House finally, that that question could not Ise conve-
niently brought for-..ard.
ORDERS IN COUNCIL

The house then went into the Committee on the
Orders in Council, 1% hen Benjamin Owen, Thomas
o,tler, and Joshua Schofield, were severally exa-
mined.
Mr. STEPHEN put a question to the latter wit-
oess, which was characterised as illiberal and inde-
corous by Mr. Brougham; and Mr. Brougham
moved, therefore, that the question and the answer
to it should be expunged from the minutes. An ani-
mated debate ensued, in which Mr. Brougham, Mr.
Baring, Mr. Canning, Mr. Lyttleton, Mr. Tierney, •
Lord Milton, and Lord Folkestone, spoke in sup-
port of the Motion ; and Mr. Stephen, Mr. C.
Mato,. the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr.
,11 a r; a t against It. The Committee then divided on
the question, and there appeared,
For the Niotion '0
Agairst It
Majority --5
'ien we re-entered the gallery, we found Mr.
Brand on his leio, complaining, of the delay which
his notice on the subject of Parliamentary Reform had
encountered. A corversation ensued as to the pro.
priety of postponing it to a near day, when it was
peremptorily fixed for Friday.
Mr. PONSONBY put off Mr. Ward's notice that
stood for Friday, for an Address to the Prince Re.
gent on the Barrec%. Estimates.
The Committee then went on with the evidence.

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TILE STATES MAN.

LONDON:
WEDNESDAY, 31.1 Y ti, 1811.

We are happy to find that the Apelles sloop of
war want past Dover yesterday morning dismasted,
to the Iler recovery ,must he attribuled, in
the first instance, to the exertions of the enay.--.
The C,,mmanlant at Bo;dope directed two hundred
soldiors and sailors to proceed to the vessel, and en.
tkavour to get her off, in which they succeeded ; but
our brave tars, not willing they should bear away
the prize they had obtained, three boats volunteered
from his Majesty's sloops of war the Castilian
and Redjwlc, and Phipps schooner, and
.made a dash
among the Frenchmen, who were so much surprised
end terrified, that they made a most precipitate re-
treat, leaving only four on board, who were taken
prisoners, and the Apelles brought away in triumph.
On board were a vast number of muskets, &c. which
the French soldiers brought with them. Captain
ITOVFMAN, the Purser, Surgeon, and 19 seamen,
ware taken'pris:oners. The remainder of the crew,
aud also Aid of the Skylark, are safe arrived.

Last night we received Paris. Papers and Letters
to the 30th sit., but they do not enable us to form
any idea whatever respecting the fnture views of
NApor4ox. There is no inentiod in the French
Aurnals, of the d;sturbannes, said to have been oe.
easioued by a scarcity of provisions. Private let.
tars, no doubt, state, that the crop of wheat in
. France had been rather deficient, but the writers of
these are also silent as to the reported riots. What
Mr. BRAND'S Motion on Parliamentary Reform
,• - Weed falsifies the *hole of these rumours is, that
is postponed until Friday,
• alt the individuals who lately left Paris, and are no* Lord HOLLAND'S Motion for Mr. HENRY'S Cot.-
' pummel!) Oda country from French influence, deny respondence was neetited 1$ night Itt the kionse of
whOka of them. Among the 'pally rumour*, Lords.

in circulation as to the nature of the late dispatches
from BoNAPA A Court was hld
UTE, it is said that, having collected ` e yesterday at GuildSall, to take into cottsi-
the answer of Irso Itoyalliight.ntsr: the Prti, ce Regent to
a great mass of provisions together in Prussia, retie
lalitemAddress of the C
tratLiconcou
'which he wishes to get conveyed to France, he has The LORD htevon inforriV that he had presented
urlt, d 3 had
Address, which hi* Royal Highness was pleased to receive,
proposed to allow a certain proportion to be sent to and returned a most gracious answer, whereof he had received a
this country in Prussian vessels, on condition that the copyl , whiched was read by his Lordship. [lt b.s been already
pish.l
remainder be applied to the relief of his own sub- Mr. !Stiffly moved, " That his Royal Highness's most grad-
' jests. This report appears extremely absurd, be- 005 Answer to the late Address of this Court, be entered on the
Journals."
cause if NAPOLEON wished to convey supplies to The motion being seconded,
Mr. WAITIMAN said, he ought net to be astonished at the rea-
his own territories) he could easily accomplish this diners of the Gentleman, who, on all occasion,, seemed desirous
by the canals and roads which facilitated the of being considered the mouth-piece of that Court, to come for-
ward so promptly. He thought it would have been a little mere
march of his troops northwards, without asking decorous, had he wafted for the Gentleman who moved the Ad-
the permission of Greet Britain, or any other 1 idirress.wasWaitoht
yreestpperectse
to
nt , tthtewAnstisnwo et rt;i.,astl wishe to
Morel' of
intoi t hdii•scAud-.
power whatever. We flatter ourselves that the ob- I comic but merely to express his astonishment, that is hen the
ny suffered so much misery, his Royal Highness could per-
ject BONAPARTE has in view, is of greater magnitude mit himself to be advised by Ministers to give such an answer to
tan any partial arrangement which we have yet ratZldtoresrecs oonuusnuccuhd
sattAil,ttite
artn,s‘ocrecthtbahtl
einriesttecr,:n would have
heard mentioned. It cannot be long, we should I from the Reent, was entitled to the irost
.prufound IrLesPpeeresut fuabillt
• the answer, in a constitutional point of view, was to be ' onsi
think, ere something transpire on this subject, entt- . tiered not personally as the wise er of the Prince, but as that of
tied to our credit. The French Journals contain ad- ! his Ministers. in the language of our Constitution, the sing
could do no wrong. His public acts, therefore, must be consi-
vertisements proposing to convey passengers to this i dered as those of Ministers. Without farther observation, he
should move, as an Amendment to the Motion, that all the words
country. This at least affords some grouted to be- !iler the first word that, be omitted, for the uurpose of
' insert-
neve, that the French Government wish to restore . ing these words, " the answer of his Royal I lighness the Prince
Regent to the late Address of this Court be entered on the Jour-
harmooy between the two nations. Supposing France nals of the Proceedings of the Court."
1 ! Mr. JACKS said, that after the o!eervations just made, the right
to he indeed the natural enemy of titled'', as our
way for the Mover of the Address ii ss, to state the answer he '
temporising Ministers would have us believe, what a Wished to have received. Lt would have been difficult for his
Wretched prospect should We have of our approaching .:.i.sys.ealdelnifihnessento hav egi ven any ansvi er that would have pleased
fate. If the war is to be pursued to the destruction I 'Mr. Werrnmssr said, the Gentleman who spoke last seldom
rose to speak there without exposing himself.
lof one party or the other, Carthage can have little Mr. Kr staut believed there timer was an answer from the
I hopes of conquering Rome. If a sullen and suspi- Throne to an Address which gave such universal satisfaction.—
'Abe people were delighted e nth it.
cious peace should be made, and all mutual animosi- Mr. Box approved the ansuer. It was most gracious and
constitutional tan he hoped thew Court. would do them.
ties continued, which the miserable politics of Mr. selves honour by adopting the surds (most gracious) proposed to
PERCEVA L seem to point at, the French would only be left out.
Mr. Discos submitted, whether any other language was used
have to set to work every manufacture they already iby them respecting coisimimicat ions from the Throne. On the
last Address bit one, the answer was ordered to be asserd. on
possess, or can introduce from this counti.). ; and, in the
nostion of tho Gentleman opposite, as " most gracious The
the next war, which wonld not be far distant, they must j Gentleman had been in the habit of using towards his Friend
(Mr. 3.) sarcastic remarks; but seldom answered his arguments.
destroy their rival by the possession of her resources. I It would be impossible to frame an answer to please that Gen-
The only security for Britain will he the manly policy,
demean. That of his Royal Highness si as 'met ea-scents and Con-
con-
stitutional ; he thanked -them for their advice, but tuld them lie
at the same time to sheath the sword, and conciliate the I {refereed :hat of others who knew more of public attain, name-
-1 y, his Parliament; and tie was confident that it gate sa isfac-
mind ; to soften animosity and eradicate prejudice ; eon to a great majority. lie hoped the ' oust was not so last to
to encourage a free intercourse between
.the two good sense and good manners as to use to the Illustrious Repre-
sentative of Royalty disre peciful language.
countries ; and, by making them intimately known Mr. NVerrnstAN said, it was not very decorous for the Gentle-
man to arrogate to himself sod his friend, any extraordinary re-
to each other, teach them the ade of mutual
svantae
spect for the Prince ltcgeut. Those on his (Mr. W.'s) side,
esteem and friendship. But this necessary change of would not yield to them in veneration and respect for the kingly
office. Ile had no wish for language new or unprecedented.—
measures must require a total change of men. I When it was said his answer had given universal sitisfaetien so:
.—esso.— I the people, did they mean, as had been said by a worthy Alder-
man at the last ;nee ebly, " all the lusyni Frople?" l)id they
The Bill which Lord Horeesen has declared his in- mesa that all those who supported the Address, and to whom
tention to bring into Parliament, for regulating the : the answer could not lie pleasing er satisfectory, were di,l ;al ?
' ll' lie meant that let him stand up and declare it. It was said,
power of the Attorney-General as to Ex-Officio : that the majority date Common 11.11, who voted a skills'. Ad-
dress. were disloyal, and tiest it was only the Counter-Addressers 1
informations, will, we trust, meet with that support
' who were loyal; hut what did these Counter-Addressers say ? !
from the independent Members of byth Mouses which ! " What are you going to do ?. No man denies the distresses of
the country of whist you coatplant, but where is the use of
its great importance demands. To call this Officer : telling the people of them; or of telling the enems of the dis-
the King's Attorney-General, is a contradiction in tresses of the country ?" 'teas it meant that the ruined and stare-'
ing manufacturers in every great di trict, who, with their emu-
terms. That the King may have occasion for an doled wives and fainiehing children, united is one cumn 1111 l
Attorney to manage his private afreirs, is not unna- cprjavi no f i
ed lisegidaNirindis•tieettrse.lank•ertii.teditislcooyntiabienctsadnisiotz
tc%iiiiienn- i
tural : trespasses on his own domains, neglect in per- I they yielded to their importunity, and agreed to refer to a Com. i
tnittee their Petitioas agaise the Orders in Council, instead of
sons to pay lawful fines to his kingly office, spew the seeking sooner some remedy uy prevention? The answer was
i language of censure upon the majority st his supported it.
utility cf such an appeintmetit ; but an Attorney- It
was the answer of a lawyer, and carried pciiifoegine on the
General, in the eye of common sense, must meats . very face of it. It evaded 'all this main toptes,—tue principal
an attorney for the public, or general trust. This `eonrriuptioinarsoihdPabrlioamf tehnee andti i 4.)111,e auvtiuchedettetittattiliact II:1.1d
pafrltila'e-
Officer; therefore, should he no further connected . meats. Every
by a Minister now in one of the first employ-
ments. Every thing from his Royal Highness ees to be re-
with the‘ King, than as he is made the Chief Magis- spected, but he only saw public :dales through the eyes of mi-
trate, and presides over the public weal. What is ' iiinistetz;iliiitdotilfe.thaengetocriltsu...wietirnet
thoseto he
ticluettist debarred
tfcrho It
he
p)
wasro alct host
the nature and object of a public prosecution ? It ! likely to hear from others", how were their grievances to be re-
. dressed Why were not the Orders in Council submitted to
is to bring to justice all offenders against the great•
parliamentary
consideration before the country was brought into
distress, and the complainants told that it was dangerous to tell
body of society ; for every crime is a public injury, : the teeth? If the Town Clerk would say the Amendment was
and the nation is interested its having the delinquents . unprecedented, he would withdraw it. He then moved that
punished. Impunity would evidently be the source ! is(rionc:.es d i tie
wee°uto 27Atiddtr
ktoets obnert,
cleotl
h Wal shouldehere n business. i int es'a-ed 3 therpre -
of the utmost disorder. The people, then, whose 1 cedent then appeared for the words of the Amendment.
Alderman COMM hoped his worthy Friend would not persist
great concern is to obtain redress for the wrongs done ' in his Amendment.
he first institution of the ! Mr. QUIP said, the answer coming from Royalty, implied the
to society, undoubtedly in t teem gracious; altheegh looking at this answer as advised by
office of Attorney-General, looked on him as their ' Ministers he could not so consider it. The Sovereign, in with-
holding his assent to a Bill of Parliament, does not oppose to it
servant. If the personal pecuniary interests of the : a direct negative, hut says, he will consider of it.
King were to be invaded, it is natural and proper that ! Mr. WAITHMAN agreed
to withdraw his Amendment; the mo-
tion was agreed to, and the Address and Answer ordered to be
he should employ an Attorney todefeud them ; but that ' published in the London Go.lett,:, at the expellee of the t ourt.
A Petition was presented from the relatives of a Freeman and
the King's Aprosecute Attorney should be fixed ou to :
Liveryman, who had lately been impressed, which was read, and
a libeller of the nation, and at the same time a flat- ! i referred to the Lord Mayor.
The Committee for General Purposes presented a Report, re-
terer of the Crown,
for
publishing that Monarchy, commending the Court to petition Parliament for a provision in
the Moorfields Improvement Bill, for granting an additional al-
without Lords and Commons is suffici for the ent
tGo- 1 lowance of 3001. per annum to the Vicar of St. S'ephen's, Cole-
vermeils of Great Britain,• is one of those incon- 7 man-street, in comequence of the increase of inhabitan sby the
sistencies v. hich all the sophistry in the world cannot ijts.t4:santsfeetd,„hozilic)liiancees;oanntals ea ciituti a,
tri tocors owasf
me laodoer fi
thate l ds, u when a t
allowanceloi
do away. It may be said, that the Executive Power be only 2001. per annum, which was carried, on a division, by a
majority of one; there being 41 for agreeing with the Report,
itself is but a trust delegated by the nation ; but if , and 45 for the motive.
we admit, us one of the maxims of sound policy, that I
the nation should delegate tke powers she cannot
exercise, a second maxim should be, to confer those
powers which should be exercised for her interest,
on representatives chosen by herself, rather than on
a hereditary representatives. No candid man
will deny that great dangers may arise from consign-
ing the care of public prosecutions to the agents of
the Executive Power. The man who is not sensible
of such a danger, must have ass imperfect idea of the
Constitution of his country ; and if he be not alarmed
at it, he must be unmoved by the charms of civil li-
berty. A King's Attorney-General carries the idea
of 4 two-edged sword, which, in the hand of despot-
ism, or under the guidance of an arbitrary Prince,
might injure the nation iu a double sense : either
by vexatious prosecutions of its best friends,
or by a neglect to prosecute its worst ene-
mies. It is, therefore, incumbent on Parliament
to enquire, whether the King's Solicitor should alone
enjoy the right of instituting public prosecutions;
and whether the Executive Power may net make
such prosecutions fall with greater Weight on a libel-
ler of the Crown, than on a libeller of the people,
from whom the Crown is derived; 'and if that should
be found to be the case—whether the remaining li-
berties of the country are not thereby liable to a total
extinction ? .

COMMON COUNCIL.

Yesterday Mr: RUSSELL, the American Charge
d'Affaires, and the American Consul, both waited
upon Mr. RYDER, the Secretary of State for the'
I Home Department,' and had a long conference with
him on the sebt of Mr. FATTEIVION'S haviug
!broken the Allen • •ir. We nntierstand they repre-
! rented to Mr. Secretary RYDER,. that they consi-
dered Mr. Pimeasom, who has only just attained
his twenty-first year, as having committed an Wis. •
creet act of youth ; and from the knowledge they
had of him and his family, they were persuaded he'
was not sensible of acting wrong, when he travelled
from Southampton to London without a passport.—
Mr. PATTERSON was taken to Queen-square Police;
Office, and underwent an examination before Mr.
FIELDING, the Sitting Magistrate, who released him I
from the custody of LAVENDER, sen. and delivered
him over to the care of Mr. GLENNIE, the American ;
merchant, who is well acquainted with Mr. PAT-
TERSON'S family in Baltimore; and that Mr. GLEN.
site might have a controul over him, the Magistrate
swore him in as a special constable, and Mr. PAT-
TERION is to continue nominally in his custody, till
the Secretary of State's pleasure shall be 'known.
INDIA liousc.—Yesterday a General Court of Di-
rectors was held at the India House, to take the final
opinions of the Proprietors ou the subject of the re-
newal of their Charter, when several Resolutions
were passed declaratory of the unanimous determi-
nation
of the company not to relinquish any part of
the privileges they enjoy at present.
. On Thursday last, Mr. I,4oldkrriDit, by the particu-
lar desire of 'several Ladies, delivered a Lecture 'fn a
numerous auditory in the George-street Rooms,'
Edinburgh, upon the nature of his institution uapo,
plicable to a girls' school, when a collection 'was
made for that Purpose. A. subscription is already sat,
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