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N°• _1774.

" The Cause for which 11AMPUEN fell it the Field, and. SIDNEY died on the Scaffold!"

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LtIPERML PARLIAMENT.

examined 170 plans, and at length gave their opinion
in favour of one plan. It certainly would not be un-
natural, that the remaining 169 individuals whose
plans were rejected should complain ; but when would
their lordships come to a conclusion if they were to
hear them all? Besides, even if they should consent
to hear them, did their Lordships think themselves
competent to examine the subject? Uniiiinbtetily the
petitioners lattil the right to romptain if they chose to
exercise it. But did any man believe that any good'
would arise out of soeh an inquiry ? They said they
were aggrieved—lse denied the fart. IVltiarver in-
ventions they were the authora of, they would have the
full use of them in every other *ay except in making
notes for the Bank of England. But if they did not con-
ceive this a sufficient answer, if they felt still that they
were au/grieved, uhy did they not go to the Courts of
Justice anti claim redress? The supposition, however.
whielt they entertained, was no reason why the Bill
before their Lordships should be delayed. If the plan
which it sanctioned othonld proceed, that Bill would
confer a most important benefit on the country. lie
did not pledge Littiaelf to the success of the plan : it
was enough fur him to state that it was considered the
brat plait •that had been proposed. AB he asked of
their Lordships was to allow it to be tried—to see how
far it might succeed, and not to consign to death so
many persons without making an effort to save them.
If the plan succeeded, it would operate a great deal of
good. If the petitioners felt aggrieved ti ey might
seek redress In some other way, but he hoped that
their Lordships would nut suffer this night to pass
without doing their duty with respect to this t e.
Lord LAVIIERI,ALR said that he had not vet heard
from the Noble Earl so much as one reason againt the
Petitioners being heard at the Bar, according to the
prayer of their petitions. They did not apply to this
Mouse against the plan which the Co ttttt iissi tttt ers had
approved, they only said this Bill deprived them of the
benefits of their emu inventions. All he wanted was,
that they might be heard. if they were allowed to he
heard, and if they then proceeded to state reasons
against the plan, it was competent to the Noble Eirl
to move that they should be stopped and prevented
from proceeding in that line of argument. But if they
urged only their own peculiar grievances, he knew not
on what principle their prayer was to hr refused.
Lord RFDESDA LE made one or two observations,
which we re not audible below the bar.
The Earl of Lit:DE*O*LE added, that he saw no
reason why the petitioners slimild no; be allowed to state
their outs inveutions. All he begged was, that they
should not on this 'cession break through the esta-
blished rules of the House. -
The qustion was then put and negatived.
The House then went into a t'.•m•uittee on the Bill.
whirls was reported without any amendments.
LONDON FETITItAIi.----Lord Eitaatau
eel the attention of their Lordships to a petition from
the Common Council of London, which he had brought
forward at au early hour of the evening, and had de-
ferred on the augoestion of his _Noble and Learned
Friend. lie said that their Lordships' had been ac-
customed to treat petitioners with indulgence, and he
did not think that any 3lember could say that he would
not present a petition which proceeded from so re-
spectable a body. He was as little disposed us any
man to do, ur to propose any thing inconsistent with
the c haracter of the house.
The LORD CIIANCEWPR said, it was for their
Lordaltips to determine whether they would receive a
petition which stated that a proceeding pending in this
House was wrong, and ought not tut have been insti-
tuted. if their Lordships received the petition, he
would then ask, what they would do with it?
The Earl of LAUDRIMALE begoeci not to be under-
stood ■s aconiescing in thermos stated in this petition ;
nor did lie a_ ree to the propriety of the Corporation of
London applying to their Lordships, and complain-
ing against the exercise of their undoubted privilege.
The petition stated, that the Bill of Pains and Penal-
ties originated in the Secret Committee. Ile was a
Member of that Committee, and for himself, at least,
he could state that he never saw the Bill in that Com-
mittee: He• had, un the contrary, understood that
the Bill was introduced into this House upon the re-
sponsibility of his Majesty's tioverunient. Butt it
would appear that the Corporation of London I:new
more of what was d ne in the Committee than any pri-
son who was a Member of it.—(Clear! and laughter.)
The qu-.stion was then put, that the petition be laid
on the table, and it was negatived.
The Earl of Latousoasa ruse, and observed, that
there were precedents on their Lordships' journals for
rejecting petitions which they refused to lay on their
table.
The Duke of blamitroo could not retain from ob.
seising, that hating seen petitions received by their
Lordsh;pa which were not absolutely correct in all their
statements, and without at all eutisiolering the merits
of this petition—without inquiring whether its state-
ments were traelie false, still, in order to preserve the
privilege of petition, he, fur one, wirtild support the
motion fur receiving that which was now under con-
sideration. It appeared to hitu, that it would be a
mark of disrespect to the Corporation of London not
to receive their petition; and ander these circumstances
he would give it his support.
The Loan Clutecatton said, if any person sup
posed that by opposing this petition he had meant dis-
respect to the Corporation of London, he begged leave
to protest against any such impartation. No man had
a higher respect fur the Corporation of the City .f
Leedom than himself; hut he did not think that it wll6l
competent to them to interfere with the judicial pr&l
eeedinga of this House. If their Lordships alloweV sudi;
interposition, they had much better not attempt tow
judicial proceedings it all. In voting agsinst this ye-
titian, be felt that be was consulting the best interests
I of the Members of the-City of London Corput ation, and
of every tither man in the kingdom,
The. Duke of Hasltirox, explanatlOn,-sald, Le'

did not impute any intention to the Noble and Learn-
ed Lord of actin► disrespectfully towards the city of
London. He had only said, the rejection of this pe-
tition would be a mark of disrespect of that body.
Lord RETCSDALE observed, that this petition was
against their Lordships' proceeding by Secret Com-
mittee, not only on this occasion, but on any other
which may hereafter arise. It was also against their
proceeding by a Hill of Pains and Penalties, unless in
such cases as the Corporation of London might wish.
Lord Hou,sziD should have preferred that this peti-
tion had been received •sto eilesstio, and if he had been

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PETITION 01."IIIE COMMON COUNCIL.

Loid Enttutxt: rose and said, that he had been iv
trusted with a petition from the Lord 3layor, Alder-
men, and Commons, of the City of London, in Com-
mon Council assambled, which complained of the
mode of proceeding that had been adopted against her
• Majesty, Ile presumed, that he had been requested
to present this petition, on account of the parr which
he had taken on this (oration, hut he thought it tine
to himself to say, that there were parts of this petition
of ivhich he conid not approve.
The petition was tben read.
he Loan CIIANCIELLOR sa'd, that there were alk-
gations in the petition which, in his opinion, were
I disrespectful to the noose, and he would, therefore,
put it to their Lordships whether they would rueftre
such a petition.
Lord ERSKINE hail only further to express his hope.
that h.' would not he considered ac identified with
any opinions in the petition, and that his opinions
would be taken only from the part which he acted in
Parliament.

in doubt upon that point,' the Noble and Learned Crud
who hail just sat down, would have almost convinced
hint.—(Hear, and laughter.)—The petitioners com-
plained against certain judicial proceedings; perhaps
this was not strictly regular, but he was not sure that
if they thought proceeding by Secret Committee to Le
improper, that it was not that Tight of the subject to
come to the Bar and state that. If the petitionersb:-.1
confined themselves to those two points, he would not
ate
vote against the petition ; but the • L sieiitfutther. they
said also what the sealed papers which it
was impossible fur them to Inivekno He would
not say that the incorrectness cf a statement in a peti-
tion was a sufficient ground for rejecting it; bia be
could nut think that the yetitiotters had a right to say
what was contained in the sealed papers, unless they
knew it front public notoriety as from the votes of the
House. Now if their Lordships received this petitiou,
they would agree that all the papers referred to tbr
Secret Committee had come from the Milan toimnis-
%ion. Whether that was or was not the tact lie could
not say, and for that reason, as will as on account of
the objections taken to the words which had been
brought tinder their consideration, though he wished
that the forms of the House had permitted the positive
to be otherwise disposed of, yet he feared it must be
rejected in a Parliamentary manner.
Lord Ersimea said, that he would not set himself
up against the opinion of the House, and whatever
was thrieLordships' pleasure lie would not oppose it.
The question was then put, that this petition be :e-
-jected, which was carried in the affirmative.
MAKRIAIIE ACT.--Lord ELLENnonnecit moved
the House to resolve itself into a Connuittes un this

After a few observations front the Loan Cu +Neale
Los and Lord fIoLLANn, it was agreed to drfer the
petition until a later hour in the evening, when the
attendance of their Lordships would be more numerous.

ROMAN CA'fliOLlCS.—The Earl of Doy„uo -
MORE said that he had in his possession for some time
petitions from the city and county of Waterford, signed
by Roman Catholics, and complaining of the disabili-
ties tinder which they lab tures!. He would have be-
fore now presented them to their Lordships, but •be
had wished to wait• until the general petition of the
Roman Catholics of Ireland were forwarded to him.
From some 4-imminent-es, this general petition was so
long delayed, that it was not placed in his hands until
a week ago, when the Session was nearly at an end,
and when no rational man could think of laying on
their Lordships' table a petition of so much import-
ance, because it was impossible to expect that the
time would admit of giving it even a decent considera-
tion. Besides this, there was another cause of defer-
ring it, derived front the eircninstance that another
subject of paramount importance' engrossed the attest-
' tion of their Lordships, and therefore rendered the
present time unfavourable to the consideration of any
other matter. l'post communicating on this subject
with a respectable sod highly-talented individual (Mr.
Plunket) be felt great satisfaction in finding the opi-
nion of that individual entirely coincide with his own,
and both agreed that-it was better to reserve the peti-
tions with which *ey were entrusted until next See-
siot. when they would take the earliest opportnnity of
the attention* of Parliament to This *Mrs
than which none bther was of neater importance.
IMPROVED BA NK-NOTE S.—Lord LAUDERDALE
presented a petition from a person, named John Lee
Ifirandreth, complaining of the injnries which he
should suffer in case the Bill now pending in their
Lordships' House, for the improvement of Bank of
Iloglatid notes, shonld pass into a law. The petitioner
prayed to be heard at their Lordships' Bar by himself
sod Counsel against the Bill.
The petition was read and laid on the table.
Lord LAUDER DA La then moved, that this peti-
tioner, as well as the other petitioners against the
Bill, be now heard by themselves anti Counsel at their
Lordships' liar.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL opposed this motion. lie
begged their Lordships to consider for • moment'
what was the real state of this question. It had been
Ise souse time strongly felt, that the crime of (forgery,
bailment forgery of Bank of England notes, had he-
Sane unhappily too common, and a wish was univer-
sally expressed that something should be done whirls
might tend to diminish the number of those offences.
The difficulties of the question were felt to be great on
both sides. If the offence was not properly checked,
there was no security for property; on the other band,
the facilities to the commission of the offence were so
numerous as to afford a kind of temotation to crime.
In this state of things, general complaints were made
against the Bank of England ; the subject was taken
up in another place, and a Committee was moved for
in order to examine whether any means could be de-
vised fur making sut-la an improvement in the exeen-
tion of the notes, as to render the imitation of them
impossible, or at least inure difficult than it then was.
That wotiun bad been opposed by some of the members
of his Majesty's tfuveruntent, nut that they fait that
such an inquiry was not called fur, but because they
objected to the mode that was proposed. They offered
an amendment which was ultimately carried, the ob-
ject of which was to present an Addre-s to the Crows,
requesting that a Commission might I.e issued to as-
certain the possibility of the improve's., nt so much de
aired. in consequence of that Address, a Corsensissirne I
was issued, and he needed only to state the names of
di* individuals who were appointed members of that
Commission, to show that not only no political object
was is view in forming it, but that every thing woo
timo Wrestler it as effectual as possible. At the
it that diumission was the late respectable and highly
respected Sir Joseph Banks, whose fitness for she tads
wamlgho universally acknowledged. Ansong,thaNials,
boa-ware Mr. Davies (filbert and Mr. Weollastalt;
'ASO acquaintance with the arts could lit
be ainpstevf. There was Sir W. Congers*, the Int
mechanic in the country, and Mr. Courtenay, the
Master in Chancery, who was added. because it
was deemed desirable that an individual sheuld be
of the Commission, whose habits were commend
idth legal pursuits. When the Connelssioe
ailmeml, it met with universal approblltion, ad' it
was admitted that no one Commission coald
be
ware likely to tabooed in its object. When they,
were appointed, tbtf‘ileratell themselves incomes/.
ly to the investlsikleo of the oohing. 7hey had

Bill.
Lord Rsornate said, lie rose for the purpose of
opposing the further progress of this Bill. In its
present state it bore scarcely any similarity to the Bill
that was originally introduced. The Noble Lord then
proceeded to comment upon the claims in derail, con-
tending that they were altogether inefficacious, and ob-
served, as a great fanit in the Bill that it contained
'nothing by which the certainty of marriage was de-
Hared. He concluded by expressing his opinion, that
the Bill onght not to be further proceeded in.
The !moo ( !I..t.Nt:ILLOR entreated of their Lord-
ships to take some flintier time before they legislated
on a subject of this kind ; for there never was a Bill
on such a subject which so much betrayed an utter
ignorance of common law, on the part of those who
framed it. The amendments which had been intro,
!Need made such a total alteration in it from what the
Bill originally was, that it reminded him of what beet'
been said of a silk stocking, which was so often
mended with 'worsted, that at length not a bit of the
silk remained ; and were their Lordships to send back
this Bill to the House of Commons with all their al,
terations? The dill was altogether wrong in its
principle; it set out with supposing, that sonic suit
should be mitered, with a view to annul a marriage.
Pot he would tell the framers of the Bill, that it
would not he necessary to institute any snit f such
a purpose. If he were to bring a•writ of right on the
ground that the holder of the estate sought to be reit,-
' vered was not the fruit of a lawful marriage, he was
not honnd to bring any suit against the validity of the
I inarria.e; hut it would he sufficient to prove, that the
marriage originally was bad. The principle, there-
fore, on which the measure went was altogether wrong.
In short, it would go to repeal the whole of the Mar-
riage Act. The Bill would. be taking away from le-
gitimacy all that was legitimate, and giving to the 11,
legitimate advantages to which they could not be en-
titleifto : and be Pummel! their Lordships not to pro-
reed to remedy an abridged grievance, which could
not be done withont introducing infinitely greafer
thou those proposed to be reniellied. Therefore, he
hoped that no further progress would be taken un the
Bill during the present Session.
1 ord Ettestipoeueou said he felt himself quite in:
capaqe of replying to all the legal objections of .the
• Noble and Learned Lord. But to obviate the @atm
which had been alluded to, he bad a clause whir h he
meant to propose to the House in the Committeg.
1 here were certain provisions in the Marriage Act
which wet.. most intolerable hardships, for a marriage
iaight be annulled in cAisequeoce of some. accidental.
omissions in point ~f form, or in the siguia4 of oasness
Sucu things had actually occurred, and were attesole.l
with the greatest hardship and injustiest; fur mar-:
riages which were really just and 'optimists were, kola .
such omissions, dissolved; and innocent persons were. .
deprived of the property they would have been just',
entitled to. On the principle of humanity and polic.
he contended f. .a. the necessity of this Bill; for. hot
could nut conceive. why marriages, solemnised in Hat
most sacred wanner, and against ;shirk so previous
objections had been madiN lakrauid he. broken, merely
in consequence of accidental eircatostuam. Ik. we..
therefore, most anxious that their Lordships sbooleil
io into the Committee, when sus b alteeations
be made as would remove the oh) taloa, urge d agaiast,
the 11111.
The Earl of Was.' stosit.arrn deuced that she
liid
went in any way to shake the fooadmimse of property;
but on the cOlitary, be conteadsd. that it went
tut
prevent the rein of many persona who alight he un-
justly haiterdised.acoordiag to thelaar as it now stood.
lie wislied to the marriage law protected. tie{
aux et preseatit was a trap for innocence, and ren-

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