The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-06-06 00:00:00

THE S.TAT ESN" Art.

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against the people, but what were tney againet
the Crown ? Nothing.—Suppose that the Hoossi
of Commons and the Crown happened sinfrittf.
nately to be at variance, this he admitted to be a
most improbable supposition, but in such it cue
he contended that the House would have no power
'r o imprison ; suppose the. persont ordetick int
Custody' shoulff its serh .fften rautalices : res ,
the .Speaker aid Serjetlntffin4e go:and 3eitillia-
ot.
veer to executethe waken'', bet wield Ise jin-
gle constable stir in obedience to it ? Was it
likely tit t"the King 'would' ii. the casu he 'had
supposed, call out his ConitliblesOsis maghttates,
his.. arab. to-act Against..himself ? [sipplauses].
The Rouse of Commons could ,never carry their
'ware t Ina ali6t Inveiiil of resistance, 'but by
the ahl of the King ; ire ibit'their binned privi.
:lege that existed but fur the benefit of tire people,
was against thepeo_ple a formidable, because . un.
defined powerlibut against,the crown was a mere.
dead letlist. ,[4pplauteri. But 'boy.had the
•Hotistiatired' since the late instances of 'exercising)
;this .eztriordiwarynremiri- Had they not ever.
Piaci proceedellile venis..a manila as proved that
the, themselges ,cotertOoeff verietts, doubly of the
legality. of vthit they hisl"done?* *brei sifter de?-1
Wet 'thek Pfai'Aition the ipiestiod, Whetbir ilt'ey:
were justified in the metitarestkeyPhild previvak
adopted? • They act fat,. and deliberate • aftee.c
wards ; they first exercise
,a most extreqtdinary
.posreT, and then they fall to debate whether
1110 'were 'Warrante ?in the exercise of it. [Ap-
' pleases]. " How &hikes have they been ever
since shat .period in the boot of old •precedents
tojusticy their looking,in every quarter, even raw
sacking the drawers of dead Judges for private opi,
nioits that never were given in judgment; and after
all their researches—after all their high language
Of 'being itbdvr, or independent of every other
'Court, ,we found their. Speaker pleading at the bar
of, one of those,rery quarts, of which they affect
to be so independent. Hut the truth was, thit.
these' inbionstiteneies Were Of 'themselves a' proef
that the Honse was in error, 'sines such were tine.:
fornaly the consequences of errer,Secom panied by•a•
blind obstinacy to continue ii it. :He trusted,
however, that the effect producill epou the puh-
iii 'Mind by 'the -Conduct of the present House of
.ComMenr,.•weitld operati sat avaltitarrletion to
every future one,-anti make' theM more cautious
how they commit themselves in an unnatural con.-
test with their Constititepts. [app4auses.] Ile
would here' beg leave to, shy one word upon the
subject of thettrunter.'ffeCiarations. I Laughter.)
He should not nosrelothment upon *hat proper.
Lion thoseCnotiter:teiolutionistsiboreto the gene.
rat sense of -the different places' where they had
appeared ; he had understood there had been even
'a CounterAtelaratien to v Vestry-meeting in St.
George's Parish. [Leett,h/er.] This, however,
iisb iould•say, that he had observed with pleasure,
,that however these Couriteraledarations differed I
,ffratts •them upon other subject 4 airy all agreed
at to the absolute necessity of some Reform in the
•state of tho representation. (Apt:Pusses, ) lie
was sorry ; however, to Mt thet'sOme of 'them went
so far as to itapute itnprtyper motives to those who
differed pith them upon other points—this they
had no right to do ; they. had said that those) who
differed from them wished to bring the House. of
-Contmonsititn contempt; -Such had never been his
.wish ;' he. thought an House of • Conimens a most
effieient brandlt ettho lie/0400re, and the liestired
firmest bill Wok of the liberties of-thd people. • . Ha
-.should always wish tee& Hie. pebtile-looking to.
•it with euabated idntdenre, ad' thi 'honest and:
Lientilous guardians '
of their 'rights and: property.
[.The sentiment Welt tie/arils the Reese orCone.:
•mons was 'rather one Or regret than contempt. ':ttl
felt upon their recent conduct as he wentil' hare:
shine upon, the defeetion of i friend whom ho had
'long trusted-0 a Hiatt wlotild at the enjestifiable
rigour of a' parents lappliguses) • 4Tile House
had •trested them 1111 they did netodespise therm
for • having done sbiirtnt they could not isolp
-regretting it. But Mt objection could be coil)? i
artswered. If the Hence of Commons did its duly
4.0.41.. they posed themselves the vigilant guardians
ern the; public linMe—the Chwearied proseeetnr of
vit phblie *hoses—the relentless foe' of ell public '
.peculatort, Aso •tlieir rank or connexions what
Ithey might; If they showed themselves at' all timers
eager to detect and punish every attempt til birth*.
their Reprosentationif theY did all this, it,Wonld
be a vain attempt • to try to bring them into Con.).
tempt, for it would beiicapostrible to do so. [Load
applauses].• H-ut, is lacy :isow steed, Could
their -wannest advomieelety:thitt they a:primed]
the sense of -the- Pet4ple4-.4-I:Ditt they express:
that sense whew they-refused tb proceed against
' Lord Castlereagh, for • attempting to barter a
lent in their House for a 'writership ? [Cries
of no, no 1.1 Did ' they express the .sense of
the people .when, upon a 'subsequent charge,"
selling seat, in that !Leese, they vindicated' tivini:
'Myer by time defence, that such a 'practice wit
4f as notortoits as the 'sea at •noem.day ?PP 'Did
they exprdss the sense of thepeepte whet, they ae.
.Iquitted the then Comtaander in Chief, °fall knoik
ledge of, or connivanceat, certain corrupt prim*.
tires which were proved'beyondricideubt at their
bar ?—[ Aoplauset.] —or,:to give bee owe isittitnce
more, did they'exocits•the Seesso:,of,the +aside
when titerrefutiff to teestere?lhe,Minisiers who
' had sent,oett one Simies4e• perish', in,Walcheren,
but had even 'the boldness to approve .of •their
conduct ? No,. 'they not :only-in ' such- instances
did net express the 'sense Of .the pemp4ts4 hat the
very oppo.ito of that sense. And to' what other
source was this wide difference between the people
andllieir representatives to betraiced,•but tolhat of
the faulty state of the RoPresentation ?[iippleiuses.-]
Indeed, ,it could not 'be etherialse, when It
was known, that a great majority :of that ;Howe
reas.returned to ParliamentbraAtte hundeed and
veventieth part of the male population- paying
saxes ; that 84 individuals sent i 157 •Membecariti
that House ; and that 150 mom. were sent by .--th
nomination of 70 povrerful intlividuils,..so that
154 patrons sent a decided Wittority to that Ho.
*towable House. Sirchcircittnstal)rtes Mutt Indeed
'have the effect or making' theta an easy prey to the
artful? and a ready purchase for the wealthy, A
•11.erottri,* a toofferite " Refiirm, brought abOat. by
I.tiasperate-and constkutionet means, mutt be the

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.)thjectot every rational man who. Jowl the • Con.
*tutted. He wished fur nothing rash—nothing
`iaterniferate—and those counter.sesolutionists had
no right to impute as the motijps 'that actuated
hit conduct, objects which, of all others, he was
Its..,
the mosrannions to defeat. So far wee' a I
pro tit purilar outrage, quit hvidett 81
Tiilmos.velflietual means to.l6illketlt ; end n
he lieufln deeffilttled what thet hid a; right to,.
• eaftougltt Oat the best means.eb pkveitt eutamo.
tion, wgs.to concede to .them.what • they ,se jna_tyl
.‘
detriandell:- Mta il7alTTiiiiie'iif COmmon; Se ra.
dierilfi rliht, 7tiMiltit's(t Wei a time spoke a lan-
Palie ilirectlY 04)140sito. to •the-Dal sentiktents.oil
the people ? He kniii,itlokt.,,VeApuse -Of'-Com-
mons had bean; till' lafttil`tlie•-afean of the real
•
sentiments of
,the. piaiiirei •
.k.0.tkP105..C914 .denY
that they had not been sus, af feast fUr thli latkkwo
yeart—no nth Siould•'ketketill
.C9nidenFe iti lalr
that they spoke the sentitheiit's'df their notistitnitits
..en. the subject of the Duke of York's litultiisl ;
.on the charge of the sale,of•Seate;-„01".011:1110it ac-
quittal of his Majesty's,Mipisl,Cris kn 05 -c°"0o!
of the VValcheren Expottition ; dr rather,' whafit
honest man 'wet there WhOstetild day thdt 'dill ,
had, u he bad already said, speitailenrillgo'oo".l
trary to the real son timentevf, &holiest*? liill
therefore would propose iti?,. *gin. p..,Pecitinn it#
the 'House of COmmons, in :atone of itefort,ii
It was not his ititentiiiii tti'dlatate to litallUisse
the manner of iteform. The first thing wild 'ItO
get theta se far to open their eyes to•tbe Icel.:in.
.terests of the country, st*.te, acknowledge ,the
necessity of it. But he:week!, liortvar, pinter
to give it as' his opinion,' that certain "'Boroughs
-ought to he abolished; 'tied'' that Perttimenti
ought to be triennial. This• opinloh: wet 'wen,.
ranted by the best Ones of, Ilu'iv history.: .ille7
reigns of Queen Anne
,and Wlliatn ,99 Ili, ir..d i
were proverbially glorious, and throughout'
these reigns England had hone slat' Trienhhil:
Parliaments., • At the same ' 661.11-'l4e deferent!!
in this . point •.to ,tho..superinr . sidsdom ,of -the
Legislature,, Hp then,-repeatect hip, sens4.of..!llf
Necessity Of . tinapereece . and moderation in
nth,;ir
pursuit a 'the Ctitstiltutiortal ohje4tl they• had
in view; their eaasci was two.'good to be blink%
by anyi thing but violent/so :He therefore be.
sought thent,tn .ivoid sigigisiCAletigPrlPies, at'the
Constitution the least isceteles: fort,4(?lljfqq!* P
their zealoui atolls in the behalf of the Constitn.
tion—charges of tumult iiiiddisordt+ COfißtitisniQ.
The Hon. Bart. then concluded •teith•theellitilsat
the Petition. which he held in his. ,haed'to•Alpi
House of Commons, should be read. .1,1,11 aajegti'l
accordingly,. and after referring to e Ihrtklaipeti.
Bon:presented to the House on the 6th l
• of. May; .
1793, and contrasting a Retolistidn'tet•thelieVese
entered upon their Journals in 1779t' widlilt siate.fi.
that it was " highly .criminal ,fu{aoy,l;o4o4 100r:tgr
Mintsters, or any serviant uf Po crells iel W. l'
or indirectly, to make use of the gowei 13 ,
office in order to influence tlitelectibd'ef lifenitlelisl
,of Parliament; and that every. atrompb:to exegetic
that influence was an attick.tspen the dignity.dta.
neer, and indepentlenxe.of that, 110e5t.",,, 4ifikf;
Contrasting the above resele)lori of 177 ii Kith the
• iwinrequent reset it ttoh of the' Plritise Ist yeal'' 41
-the charges preferred ;egaluit 111.2 utd• Cavtlerlitilt;
.and Mr. Perceval,:tAlle 'Retition proceedutirotei
ielp for aFf iliNuon tarr,44o,r fn. •Theroa 07901
`another
Petition ;c44 afterirapis, praying the tly.i
'Attie of-Sir' F. 'llortiat'llitt. Mr. Viiitti (;a*.,.
-Nilo*, eta thilt fhb' rt trientiliftigt s i'lltl)Ctling !theta,
beotpunded.frootthetiokirtsab bfithe...lllouse.gpi•
.Mi. q9.913-103.Ki. ARV i•trerecp 4 d,441M 10_49160iii
1ti,4411 altogetti!rlgititsteeisary, for• Win 40-0144;fose
itOgifiti nuttfitinatitin of the molt able*and aansti,
tutional speectriihieh thlshitt itiitimaie: till).
phtaseis.] • . lie merely ruse- tri'tfate,•*thott•Wettery
svOlnetat that. full from the Wostlky. itssepodyvhe
' kid his full • and.eptkre
.conciilrence. , 11-1... agreed
With him fully, that with respect to the quesqop
OF Privilege,' at slated by him," if such a vague
and- indefinite power 'did ettisk there Wag an end
to, the lil►atten-of they Onentry: .[Applattsevtl•`. if
the rights of: tlse.sobjeet„no4tibu oks:t.antl.delestxt
ed, by a power*Ftt, nobody. uvtets!nort tiod
every ono musrimplietify ohey;
.he repeated ,that
their-was san"ind to the-liberty' of 'the'ittbjcet.
.--This,privileee, it seemed',' Wie-i. mysterittes
watiOsifig• that nobody could. define, runt pet ho 4
oily, was ,to dare to
.slisputu
.with•qespect,sto
the questitin cif Reform. ,He agreed coteltit
With the worthy Baronet upon this head its' itpon.
the other--that the state of repri,sentation lednfil
act be.right, when such a connty7es the county, at
fterhs. returned no. worn Moolmet,han Oro_ ,001
cough of Old Sarum. IC4pplottefl), As )19: tll
touttter..Resolntionists, they 4.141 it defy them, avid
the %Odle fribt.i.ef abitorreritind iiiiiindils.•• '5)4
ateady•but peaceable peteereiance in the cause of
geforos,.:theyj.erlits. Aboght-1 to .restore the Conk&
utitke to. its. oriOnall ettnagth and healch,,crore
atiet Mends to iyh'a a-Rinse who-would.conolve
itsOtt :cooritiptintl,' thisittctittt it It i tnifily ileititii
iflf [Lewd Ad' tontinueir.eipplairs'edi de 'don.
etuded by exhorting ) the tribeiitig to Airtsiec• by
their peaceable:doteeviim a-; tower. IttlrOtopf
the frva.t ciosi. ii, • vimfk they, lagepLipitAitikstlt
,[ifppleuves.]]
, Mr:GOLDING then rose. ttond cries of
" Come forward on 'the table to Ili 'heard;" this.,.•
howeeer,, the Worthy Gentleman declined, which
occasioned loukt ;lid repeated clamours., ~ 7. : I:t.•
A Gentleman he:u rose and exclaitned,:.44.yi.lo
are• wi'mie' ihan the. Rouse' of t4mistlivitli they.
only imprison a mAti without la trial,"buf yot
Would. bang d watt. without tryitig • Isim.; (*et
you hear. him.,'„.fiCeies-of " Heal, 4ios 1 . /leap
him !. Hear him t_r bet, come fprord la, hp Ifergfill
Mr. GQI.DING nest;, vit op on the bencht
where titiestised'atid..rileittid 4611 a ppfauk ' lit
eapressed. his reluctanee to obtrude hialleiroff tetnif
uelicei but-he:felt it his al uty on thepresent OcaOh
sion.,.to state his grounds of objection Inithikpre•
sent proceedings. lie was first of `divili,sfitut
..cil
With (lie manner in which the 'Meekiiiglied Ceti ear-
led. The term lithabitantsi iiit Iliktr , eel : deify
introduced. He did not objeet to. that ieritlil'itnit .
pity went of respeettn the gemeralinhabitviiAONlN:
county ; but after they h4vl mentioned tht4.llergyi
Gentry, _end Freeholders of the county, what'.
could they mean by the inhabitants,
.except inch
es were entitled to no voice; such as had not

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even 12W1,4itie trier their heads ? (Lewd' flaw
moors and niti4surs.) The . Clergy and Awe,
holders were all • that were accustomed to trut6 00.
,such occasions, and'why invite the inhabitants en.'
deroso vague'e denoieitittion ? On, the same princi..
plg.they might call on•ill the paupers in the county
tefittentl,,-.„ Ife:nrelett tko 'disrespect to the lowest'
fill OW 404101 ;* het spoke only with respect
!es
.stitf priociple, and no nun would contend that
lexery,inhabitent was to have a voice at a County
~,,Imuting. ; The grand- object for which they had
mot,
.ho easeceired; tote twe.folit, the imprison.
• meu t of ',Sir ri•adeli Burdett and 404 n &Ma Jiffies,
by. ON .LcitillitlW: - 11011ischert191.4.h9W,cycr,
if he had tlintessed from the usual order ; it was
filisat to sty, Oi whet reason be knew not, Joint
Gale Junes and Sir Vrancis Burdett. [Sacral
pettentestlainrod,:" Gate:Jones, toatfirsl impri.•
wonted, thdl is the treniOtiii: He esi.nplinterited
liaii Worthy Baronet on !hi., ciinititutional speech
lie haat made,. which must, in his opinion, be ap.
priisiztl'l4'..e.Tety friend of thg Icing!, the Commons,
and the Country. ttoe(tiiviitsusel ThelVor. •
thflAinkvel,''h6Wever, had. said, that no man
wurileboine 'forward to oppesikt Openly and Ito. •
molly theahaterurea propused; •but those who did
nsteepprothlkristillrear;inks curliest and vestries to
gl otritSits fur thelexgrylefain of 'their sentiments: It
ntigli(fie So that sasses might •deliier their opinions ire
wearies, and he saw,: no more harm in this than in
stelivstrint ' thcit ,epiitioesr. in Council-chtiteliet't;
s, Ldi : • Lade
i* ~i iS 4.11 eve cl -been the case .10,,(11.1
county. [vt j.nerlial langlt].. The greattreamws,
grlsts.Spitsenting himself to. the. meitiok,liiiithl,Oe-
calicos, with all the diltdetice that he felt to address ,
ita .00ttiOi:ougAtttletenttqyt:.1tat. to 'she:W. that, be
0414 ."1y,4_61#441i40.0.!i0n,,aed 'thittlie.,:womil
disposed to skulk into any corner, in tho bused
anreirsdid Wats4l-ti”....iir his seutimenti. He Was 1
kirOly 40:111e4g4be Ofiti in en t S avowed by the lettEr.f •
4heitArtvitbyeelirdeettlatative, Mr. I)itilas, bedtime •
thirvreild hq the-best argument he could offer in .
favour of his own. Tlift (ten. diTitelimn.4l,4
deelitred giving any °Pinion on the subject of ,Sit
,k'fancis. Bardett's imprisonment, as thestiir,liai
*ow pending• 'before Air irgai tribunal.- This was
preeiseey hiWown obis:Mew to .any interference oh
the subject. , The question was still at .S.sisui4. and
it die not Isetisine them to anticipate-the decisie' o ,
of the law. Hut were they to anticipate the qOll4. ~
lieu, he would ar.k if the Legislature of the cents‘
key-104440k its*ltifed 'At' Otiessure, without. basing
!fa irAierts,lo,4o4l, 4c•biji 'a p pe.alitiz to a Court
Oli 14114101:iiltillterior.Cour( ? • Y. 4U fay others; his ,
Alti4eiteolifte lit seed 14);enr liberties; but I say .
114...1tti:19P‘01 IV.* Illeits end to all eider awl le. ~
-tisielsees Ajpi,Usillee of Commons ought to haws the
fettrlTOLsnppu4ti)sg its 'eV 6 d igoity, without resort.
glq yiotberigueri,. ,ffilhet her i hey legallyhave
that liee/de.eicitot, ts now a glumness before also. 1
therVetriritinioinw" -*arts a decision., Ho would I,
soyi, betsemst44l4l4. ilithil Iheilit not, they ought
reihitse It il fiSease litaraitiOlt.3 Reform Was the
ffe-qiesiT OrtsiT,flie iiuestl4.3l,li,befor.e theen,sted ;
4n•thtildblectititterOd'sfeec aqinether deny the :.
grounds of cnl *nt-thet isenktnade. [Loudap.
phstikler:l Thhtitheris was improper induence in •
, rho I;opse,,' itr,O.pmmons, he readily allowed. [4p• s.
plquetsl tßetewho were to blame fur this ? It ...
Weis the people themeelieri.• The means of lieforat •
;krerelp their oWnhieds: [No, i(o.).WhY did they • •
se,!,l such men to.Parliettpent ? 1" The people du
istrtf,,,ieuf4eteuft4,l 14110..b#4,00.014tign that there
atinttli..htttuoreveters, (lean there now were; but
SgtislistAuesiversal etiffrigef if they 'meant that, he ,
fts4 tit tey.'siiii',aicoi6d jirotest2,` A n adverting to '.
the rotten; borglis, hooontendedi.ehat the man who ~
ji As? 69?101:'„,for•his seat, Nit' 1‘ likely to dti
14s ",, ttieo
A Uly*.let, ilie.'atatithat:carne;iii'bYliottirsi 4 ..
4be-people, [everature..] and by means of bribing.
[Some ctrike's'siune oj. applause.] . • lie 'allisised
that men hooting pensions, places, end iiitteStie .
odices, ought nut to have 'a vote in the* 4044
of.Commous ; but it was necessary, he confesstieds
ihlt,_ OflcOnen,..?beest4 il , eisetei, and though h•
m40,0:1'1411 such. siittgh vote, Ito, would not have
them excludedfrom
,tito Pease LGotis#krable ap.,
PlaliAol . lsilio#lolo4"..giis.thia.usietst to .the. fiat
Poi timr that. hair buesuriipased 0 because themes. ..
sure, he thought, 'wale preinatirre:' • ',Nip; way I ,
tinti tit on, iliti sobjeci.lieteeeo the first. law author
lilies, and why should they take on themselves to
decide ;the question ? When Lawyers disagreed,.
was it (of Ahem ,teattvp forward and decide the
qeestiers ? [Partial app( se,, and a laugh.] •-•
Nu admitted the oviqw (whiting ink or of Ministers •
to earrranyliathtion to be-aft evil, but this eiii
did not ,arils arils( heilontetnisfti ' from the mode of re.
,o it • ; 1 .
prtecotakiistt,bnt from the influence that Minister"
tiatur.tly had from the situations they occupied. •
• 'Mr. IINLIE1) saiil,; that the subject having
already beets before them twice at Abingdon and
I here, , and he havinz on (hose occasions expressed
hi's senfinients, he did ioot think it necessary to de-
i tails thetu him; by tiny thing he weld-new offrein:
the.",,w °filly •Geelteellits' hair "ids: that they n
i •
U4onk rnAitillkija.:the
,inltithilt,setk; but such he
`thought mai the inniottetec of the question, that
!every mUni who paldijiets laid 'a right to express
bit (spinier', ' and: tribe heard. .
Mr. GOLDING, beet explained ; bestir!, he
1 • •
4.14, .01.4 enityl4 oil lieople being 'tithed who paid
taxes, 641faileople being ievited who paid no
taxiikiiiiiestti sitethelly the cafe by inviting all the
inhabit:stet,
.y10.0:111; had argued
.Was maenad.. •
tu threat: • .1 ,• . l• ' •
11,Ajar.ED. cootinuing, observe,* that the
A*llo;'y Grentieneut. had. admitted that all those
isay(og_taxes ought. to ti ;me a !mice, and' he would.
rlair. 17,1 hr 4 .1: orthieepppecltiTse thats
.does
ain!ismoire,ill'ilikeesse
,pry ends.in his hal_li.lhey will- have no ob.
jeteifeis to withdraw.; The Gentleman , has stated
tigt4lte question of.mi large is non before a Court
lifter., awl we 'hive,wothing to do with it. Were
4beylo be depriied ttflteii peisonal liberty with.
node_tilileti - Were they to be deprived-of -the
figitt' 'of Waists by liiil ' n idiotic °veiling theic
mouths *gal/vitt it ? . [loud applause.] Was the ..
pretense a time to deter, ve the pro* of ;their rights, 1,
when so. ilosiniidable an enemy had *oiefrets the
,
whille n‘iikirope, not, more by liicilessus teas
. ,
thet,tiardlititions • and op pressions".'4r..l he .01,11,
veroetesitis. 44U. had subdued ? [dpiklussir.] That;
the Hermit of Commons had a right to some de at
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of privilege he would admit ; that he had a right
romove all obstructions tb their Octets:slings
was unilciabted ; but this privilege vrati never in-
tended to be given them fur the indulgence of
spleen mod passion. They, Ware the to tie as a Ma-
gistrate in similar cases: '..Sappiise I am a Magis.
trate, and meet with any obstruction. le the regular
exercise of my duty., I should 'crtaility issue
out a warrant and imprison, but Viroildid.
alit the party to bail, that he might be legally
tried. It was a first principle that tati mac ought
to be judge in his own cause. The House
of Commons had acted precipitately, and so
much was he' persuaded of this, that he had no
doubt, were it to be done again, many of them
Would vote otherwise than they had at first done.
To niake any law binding on the subject, the
Whole of the Legislature was necessary—the King,
Lords, and Commons ; but here the House of
Commons came forward to make a law for them.
elves. They claimed a privilege which they ad-
witted to be undefined, and still more, which
they said was undefinable [a laugh]. This
privilege they exercised against the People,
who; properly speaking, were themselves. In.
stead of claiming it as a means of resisting
the Crown, they claimed it against the People.
The King might ns well employ an armed force to
tike IVitillsor, his own property, as the House
of Common.: declare war against the people [ap.
/thieve]. Ile was persuaded the King did not
know what gas preparing. There were people
who employed the King's name without having
his sanction. The avenues to the Throne were
shut by Ministers. The Petition of the City, of
London was not permitted to be presented to his
Majesty, because It was' alleged be was blind.'
But did it follow because he Was blind thatle was'
deaf also ? Might nut the petitioa have been
read to him? But this would have been toomuch..
How was It to be expected that' persons 'would
read to him their own condentuation—that those
who wished to preserve his Royal car, wouldreld
to bias facts against themselves that he might not
have heard ? Expecting such a service as this,
front. !Ministers, would be 'like requesting a
,matv
alto had a blind master, to read to that maitosau
unfavourable dacription of his character,' at the
mesisent be Ow expecting a new place, or some in-
dieite of *ages for his faithful services. [a laugh."
He believed the Louse of Commons hadsilready
too many privileges, without claiming any other.
Tbey hid the high and dignified privilege of nut
paying their debts, and of cheating their honest
creditors —[a laugh, and cpplause.)— that
they might be fria to discharge their Parliamentary
duty, amid to give their votes in the House on any
oecasiun. Ile would admit that Judi a privilege
might be necessary during the Session of Perlin.
mut ; hut surely there could be no occasion for
the extension of such a privilege beyond the Sem,
'ion, unless fur the preciee purpose of defrauding
their creditors, Why were they not to be seised
like any other men, as soon as the Session
was over ? Their imprisonment during the re.
cess could not prevent their Tulin, and therefore
their boasted privilege could be looked on only as
the means of defrauding some honest iudustriotill
creditor. [Laud applaus;:i]. They claimed privi-
leges of such high and political
grant importance, that
no country could be safe to them. They
wished to be set above the law, while the people,
at the same time, were not to be informed of the
extent of their claims. Had Sir Francis Bartlett
shot the &dean! at Arms when breaking into his '
house, and consequently been called before a Cs I-
• Cott:t to answer for the murder; and had
turd Ellen borough, or 'any other J edge said,
that the Jury were to decide on the inur.
der, but nut to inquire whether the break.
ing open of the house was night or wrong.
as that was a case they could not decide on
by law, being connected with the privileges of
the Heine of Commons ; what would a Jury
in this case hare done ? He could not an.
aster fricothers, but had he himself been one of the
Jury 'oniuch an occasion, he would have told hint
that they must take the fact into consideration.
Tfieeldil not' know all the law books that had
been written, but they know Magna Charm. Ile
deprecated the reflections and language that had
been thrown out 'against persons advocating the
cause of reform. lie took his information from the!,
In:mamas only ; ;and judging from them, it ap.
peered that • persons asking for reform, were a
weak, despicable etertir,iii the.language of Mr. Can-
ning, too weak to he feared, aod toss contemptible
to he dangerous. lie did not' wish to *age a war
of recrimination, but he had not taken up the first
stone. lie would ask Mr. Canning What where the
seen he had associated with, anti what company he
Lad kept ? Among the first, they found Lord I
Melville ; then John Bowles ; then Mr. Villiers,a
Ivry loyal man no doubt, but who had-defrauded
the public of many thousands; and then
who had fled the kingdom, after the same
manner plundering the Public Treasury. Such
were the crew that Mr. Canning had associated i
with, and whose robberies Mr. Perceivel was so!
delicate as to call a misapplication of the public'
nuncy. Wiiat were they to think of this mild
and softened* term ? If any man had a servant who
Tin away with his treasure, would he call that a
misapplication of his money instead of a robbery ?
r.•lpplaa,e.] What would they think of a person
coning to that Bar, which was a Court of Jus.
tics, accused of having picked his neighbour's
pocket, who should say that lie had only misap-
plied a little of his neighbour's money ? People
'night employ what means they pleased, but for
his own part he would declare eternal war against
such, misappliers. They say we wish to degrade
all public men, but what motive can I have for
doing so ? I have no room to be dissatisfied ; I
want nothing. The truth is, they degrade them.
selves by their conduct. We shall willingly,
however, forget the past, if they will now raise
themselves, and pursue a line of conduct that
will entitle them to the public esteem. Hie di like
to many public men' was, that their profession! out
of office were so different from their practice when
in office. Mr. Bankes, in the (louse of Comeitga,
had admitted that the intheence of the Crowafgmal
very much increased, and yet did not wish timidiess
prive the Crown of any of its present &Oasts/gee

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i du lot to
any bf its adientages, but
privilege arrogated by the Hi
may become an instrument
rupt or profligate Minister _
He believed Sir Francis Burdett to be a very wor-
thy man, and his whole political life had hitherto
shewn him so.. He bad been accused of wishing
the cursed leaves to be torn out of
.the Red
Book, as if he wished to destroy the King and
our Constitution, the army and navy, and the
whole establishoicut. But this by no means fol.
lowed. There were sense useful leaves in the Red
Book, which nu man would wish to have tern out;
but there were also, it must be admitted, cursed
leaves in that book. Ife.kad one in his pocket,
which ho here ',reduced. I will show you ono
cursed leaf. Here is ne.ein which we have Mr.
Wont receiving su much of the public money, not
for duties performed, but to give him ao oppoitu.l
nity of plundering the public. This is' no new
opinion. It was said before, by Mr.
,Burke
and Mr. Dunning, who had complained of the in. '
crease of the Red Book, and the consequent in.
crease of the influence of the Crown. He here
exhibited, as a proof of this assertion, three
different Red Books, during a,
sPeriod of fifty•
years. The first contained 'only 155 pages,,
the second 272, and pages, *tad, ,of a largipl
magnitude; while the 'third,', that or. 11311),.1
contaiued 395 pages, which wins, during ,fifty
years, an increase of two hundred aid (orty
pages, besides a large appcndii 'that, toil been
published this year, though not by ptibliCi
rity, and which contained as many pages itself as
the Original rcl book. He did tut mean hispeet-
ing in this way to condemn all the leaves in the,
red' book ; but amid so great and" rapid'4n in.
crease, how many cursed leaves must therein? itied
on a review of the hook, whO could not port out
setae haft nay,' many leaves of this description?
flail the pooplc been properly represented, such
'cares, he was confident, would tierce have existed.
With respect to Parliamentary Reform, who could
deny its necessity, when they saw to wht euc—
Noes a seat iu the House of Cuinsuonsvwmt
plied ? Every man is Parliament whO bad a soon,
the Navy must have a ship fur him, and this was.
only to be had by voting with the Minister. Me
system was bad, and what therefore were they to ex.,
pact from individuals who went into Parliament,
under the influence of such a system The de.
cayed •Bekoughe *ere considered as so much
persunal property, and it was contended,. that
if abolished, they ought to be paid for. Of
two evils, he should certainly choose the, least,
and would -therefore rather pay fur them, at
the same tiate,:at the public expence, than not
have them' abolished ; but at the same time, as
the possasion was illegal and unconstitutional, he '
saw no reason for any compensation. A ;man
living on the toll% where smuggling lied formerly
bast canted on to a considerable &Mount, might,
as well plead for compensation, now that smug-
gling was more strictly prevented. In the 80.
rough of Reading, it was true, that nci person
could dictate to 'them; but in those rotten 80.,
roughs the proprietor could send, up whom he'
pleased, even Mr. Charles Yorke, when tic could,
get admission nowhere else. [Loud upplausea ] ,
Dr. VALPY then addressed the Meeting in a*
►
very long and animated speech, of Which we are
sorry our limits will permit us to give but . a
(scanty outline. Ho proposed in the.Meeling the
'necessity of hearing every man, and was afrai4
the proposition he meant to submit might not niCei,
with universal approbation. Nothing, hoWcvcrp:
should deter him from declaring his sentiments.—
They might hiss him, but he hoped they woul4
hear him [Expressions of Applause]. The, first
Petition, as it now stood, he could not sign, and
had refused to do so at a Meeting of the Borough.
He admitted that the House might not be warrant.
ed in the commitment of Gale Jones, but his
nion was very different with respect to Sir F. Bur.
dett. The House, he contended, had a porier over,
its own Members, and therefore be proposed,
'an amendment, 'that the inimu of Sir P. Burdett
be left out if thefiPetition, iii as many places.**
that name occurs. Ile condemned' Sir ,Prancii
Burdett, and some of his friends,: tor sheaving so,
mach indifference respecting perivntili
Thisr he did the mere, mreveryday girth() P4seiq"
Administration 'was adding calamity to the cond.'
try. What were they to expect from Men who'
had professedly come into power oft se itichils;
ciao and uncharitable princitiks, deprilrk one.
lonrtltOf their fellow:citizens of their eivlrrights,
on account of their religion Ile never illoOght,
',with such an inauspicious- commencement, diet
they could or 'w'ould come tb good. He then
went into a history of their Administration, and
of the conduct of the late campaigns, which en.
tailed so much miserysand disgrace' on the coon.
try. He confessed that it was his wish to see LorJ
Grenville, Lord Grey, and such men as they in
power, front whose talents and well known prin.
'ciples some good might be expected. He con-
cluded by repeating his Amendment, and was
listened to through the Whole of his speech
the greatest attention, f hough not always approved.
Ile had been used to be against Parliamentary Re.
form ; but the experience of the last few years
had taught him the necessity of it. • it was oaten
much Reform they wanted as Restoration.
A Gentleman, whose name we did not learn,
urged strongly the necessity of unanimity as the
best defence they could offer against their impla-
' cable enemy. It was on thissgroiniff that he wished
to see a Reform in Parliament, and that he should
give his support to both of the petitions. Bona.l
parte was a formidable enemy, but domestic cod.
ritption was still snore so. With respect 'to Lord
Grenville and his friends, he did not see (bat thiy
did any thing when formerly in power, except
raise the Income Tax [ applause]. •
Mr. H. MARSH. in a very able and impreerive spot*,
tiapporsed the two Petitions. and the object for which rhe
41(Miax Im4 beesealled. He &Med thatthe.people.lood the
er d
!cowcorrecting a corrupt House of Commons tuiiheir,
jartstandt, when it was enirddered what a small mon ,of
sta cm
.pared there were cnpared with the great body Uh
met sad bow great a autubcr were rewrite(' by
tquke (lament from elute sif the people. He wan *fit
had been patiently heartfelt both sides, an thoukat
Zatrellagiadebted tit the worthy Gmuleniao (Mr. Golithig)
*Po bassoon forward in so ?pen and manly a intinnerio tic-A
dart his seatheents. He believed if the great bog or the

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Mr.
supporled die .
ilfr. V PVItS observed, that It woald be &taproot to
dive the House aa itohounded °tetrad over Its 0 veii Meng.
give
them overall); ether ehrorof owl.. as /he majorith •of
the titer, in that case, might always haprirou the stew:fhb.
so that alll opposition might be ever legilty.suppressed (.11..
plisaws.
Mr. WATTS secon:led Dr. Valley's Aisseuilinent. So bone
eat the name of Sir Francis Husskok. IX. -no +i Every
non, be emended, might tti Wiehjeti Cr the rules of tlwsik
ciety of which he is is metatarsus !h
Sir .:.
Sir MORRIS ZIMIEN ES
'hay been
hialiell • decidedly +
'est the Petition, bait 'hay been for three hours but
E
ed and pushed about is She ' owd, he felt himself' too e%-
• stud to address theta ,amletigth...-As the Worthy Knight
was a Declarator, as they called him, sae :Institutes af
disapprobatims weld shear% butt sells: Slade, the Meet-
-let were disposed to Year himam A . A.! t' a o.:, • 1.. • '
1 The HAW' SIIEILIFF ,the,ilpat SS gentiles ao• the'
Amendment, which' was negatived,' milli the exceptiou of five.
tor six bawl, held up in its favour. • • - • • .
Tlie Petition fur the liberation ot'tMr, • Gale Jones and SW
• Francis Burdett was then carried atnid loud bums of apt;
piaese.; :swat ten or twelve hands iere held up against it.
The Yet i, lass for Reform; ea the auest km being pet; was also'
car:iest, ta tie same auirmer; three er. hair hands were MK,
up agduat it.
StrJOHN TH ROOM ORTON then Stepped forward and
proposed the following Basolatioa,•whiett was carried amid
bursts of applause. .. , ~ ; . 1
•" 'Resolved, Tnat the Petltion'tsoli read b: adopted, and]
signed by the High Sheriff iu the name ef thi County,a6rlde.'
livered to tic Members for this County, lillußGL VAIIIIIVI.
TART and CHAALCIIDUN.OI.I, k.r,qrs. who are requested M(
;present the same to Mlf e ease'uf Couotions, 'six' ace lierr,t y ,
• lust meted to support thesamile tleerebtt",•l',...:, 11. '• .• ' I
He thee proposed the Sollowiqg Aildameto Sir Franels.flue-
deti, which was read by the Deputy Sherif:—
SIR, . " ttl Ilea,diug., Jane 5, 1810. ~:
We feel great Pleasure lull last, ail!". itt conveying to you*.
In the name of the difitieroA•ers„yA Free.tulders, Muse.;
holders, end other litisillitim. dethe County of 'Jerks, in
fulFt!ausity asserabled:Shei'esionu=wlM'euts'eftaitade mud at-
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fathom-at for your geePeoitil ixertiom indefending the Cause
of the, poor, the heipleti:' 'NW th.; oppressed; for your un- ,
wedded endeavlturs id'eXposieg add attacking corruption and
abuses in the Natry,...be Army, dud the State; fur your Cu-
abated zeal upon all ateatitom..' hi staintainitie 'with firmness
1 she Liberty; Property, and Right. of the People, lit isplinsit
I Amato the pernicious' Ilyesein'erhieli Is inidermining and de.'
mtroyiag the canary s and. mime :all, for -your `ustemided .
effects to obtain a .hoil, fair, free. and equal. Reareacalatloil
of the People is Parliament, re hielt,. snore than :say hargeitee'
in your Letter to. ymr. 'tstistituents, the EleCtiifil of WM.
minister, have cicitcd the acrimooy 'of all these who, byipatit
ticipating in the misplaced millions of their country, rater:llli
rash you isseung their eaesiima. III: you we have halals tiii-
right **honest otan--a don,. aeldous, mad iallealible Mead
to Mir Tree CoMtitUtion, M by, lair eiltablphpri.,.. „
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• We are, Sir, with the kieutest.respert lisksiofifellYt.
• Your obliged, humble tenants, ks..,-
Sir JOHNt then sieved the doliuvriag Resobstlea, which
was unanimously ferried t!---. ' ' ' • '
• Resolved, That the Letter now read, addressed tat SW
Franck Burdett, Bart. be adopted; that it be signed, by ilea
High Sheriff, in the name of the hireling; and that the t&igh
Sheriff, the Members, aild'as many Gentlest* as think pro-
per. be requested to wait upon and proves. the ward 'to Sir
Francis Berdett, together with a Copy of these Ressdatiens."
He concladed hy moving,
" ISoolved, That these Itesoludsms be {alerted' th the
Reddish, Salisbury, end. Oxford Papers; aid iu the fallow-
ing Londoa Papers, The .Morning Livia, The MorehiC
Chronicle, The Statesman, attd The Star." •
Dr. VALPY Droved the Tlnusks of the Meeting to the
High Sheriff, which was.carried by acclamatioo. . • • 1
The Thanks of She Meilbid wire also .vited to Sir John'
Thrugessortua and Mr. tioedlaitl., ror the ably assistauce the/
badstves on,the occasioe.. ~i.f .. ~I . _ •••. .. ;
We have teldosa seen a puislic teretiegenigeFted With/Aare
-good-humour and dethedus, ni in *htelfmtire indulgence was
*event° a small minekity. 'ls no instance was party feeling'
permitted to siolale respect. T;.e High Sheriff,dio.
solved the Meeting aboutCie ci7clock, hope elinUstoed.neart
ly four' hone%) '1• '• - - • r
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pot whicto lie i I Ite alliptriliti tout Ai theikuple efGsmo-
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Hiram CUTIIIIOIIII r. THItOnt4ORTON ePpesed Aterudteret c4i
in the hands of any car.•( .
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Welt to he a very wor. ty, p!ERSsO sopirts..,ll,he, Petitions. an