The Statesman.
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vistrs to be the intention of the Regent not
to enter into any details, but to encourage, on
gene al pjnciple, every attempt to instruct the
poor.
Lord Snows Low conceived that the plan included
ell Di %sell ters.
Sir K. Ptantt,—Your system renders it impossible,
that Dissenters should accept of its offers. 'They
cannot consent to have their children educated in the
principles of the Church of England ; nor is it 4 all
necessary for the purposes of a common education,
that they should be so educated.
Mr. DALTON, of Naith.—There should be some
eitirch attendance on the part of these children.
*Sic R. IlLnoy,----Yes; and let each go to his own
church as he pleases.
Mr. DALTON.—No, I think not; that is scarcely

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to be admitted.
Rev. Mr, T.URN ER, of Caistor. —My Lord, I feel
lively interest, not only iu the eternal happiness of
onankluj, but also hi the goof order of society, and
in their present happiness. I therefore feel it My
duty to say a few words. We are all aware that it
has become a sort of popular fashion to condemn
whatever has the appearance of a connection with
our establishment, whether of Church or State.—
But I really believe, that if our Church Establish-
pi cut were well understood, there would be fewer'
Dissenters in the country. If the great body of the
Dissenters would read the writings of the Fathers,
they would find that our views are very near to their
own. It is nut a new system which was Made for the
purpose, it isothe original s) stem of Christianity re-
formed from the abuses, and from :he prevailing in. I
Mimeo of the See of Rome. There can be but one
s.,nthnent in this assembly-, that the plan of this na-
tional education is a good one, and that we are met
in order to give effect to it by the best means. From
wh -t the Ilan. Baronet has said, I must suppose he
b;!lieves. that the Church of England n orship is the
most pine, and, in order to promote the design. of
this national education, we should go to the purest
source for assistance. But I must materially differ
from him with respect to the Lancasterian System ;
for the not inculcating of any religion, is the very
means of making Dissenters. Tin' minds of chit- I
drew are remote(' to twigs. They will grow up as I
they are bent. But, if at these schools they are al-
19wed to read Bible without explanation, all
must I:now what will be the consequence. - For my
smrt, I cannot conceive hpw Dissenters can be in-
troduad into our selicnls. For, in these schools,
we must teach the principles of our own church. 1,1
sincerely regret that our worthy bishop is not here.
Ile has proved, in the excellent book he has pub.
tislEd, that the Church of lingland is not Calvinis-
tic, that it is not Lutheran, that it is not built up-
on any human system, but that it is truly apostolic. !
Where, then, 004, you go for principles to instil
Into the minds of children, but to that which has
stood the test of a-zes?
111:'114110 ELLIiON, Esq. declared himself a de-'
ehlod friend to tho Established Church, but professed
him: elf universal in his toleration to every Dissenter, ;

And would live in perfect peace and charity with them
all. I shall not, then, said he, incur any charge of
intolerance, when I say, we ought to adopt, as the
basis of our school, in Lincolnshire, what the meet-
it;g in London has adopted as a basis. The worthy
13,aronet says, it may do for Lincoln or for Leeds,
1)31 he thinks it too contracted for a national system.
'From what I shall have die honour to read to you,
you will see that it is the design of the Committee in
Tondo'', to make the national religion the founda-
tion of national instruction.—Mr. E. then read a tart
of the preamble of the circular letters unto London.
To supporting this principle, said he, we do not mean
to offer interruption to any Dissenters whatever.—
They have the free use of their religion, and will
also have the free education of their children. But
whet/ I am called ;Too to do what is desirable in thu
instruction of the younger poor, I should not do
my duty if did not offer my purse, my attention,
and my care, and if I did nut ccosult my conscience
too, as to what may be proper to secure their salva-
tion. I bciieve that education mav be either a bles-
sing or a curse ; and if you give education, you must
also give what is the great regulatorof it, you must give
moral notions and religious opinions. This, it is oui de-
si..-01 to do, in tachiite the principles ofour own choral.
;let we offer no exclusions. All may go to it that
ish to go to it. IN e are putting ourselves in the
characters of adopted parents, to the children of the
poor. But I ite.ier can do thnt without doing to
those children what I would do for my own. I
ould give them instructions accompania by reli-
gin—they should go step by step, hand in hand to-.
gether, or not at all. Is there a Dissenter who
would not du the, same ?—We know that while he
is educating his owe child he will not allow the

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of the Church of England. But this he could affirm [lO. 'general reply to this was heard, Yes, Me
to be a false accusation, for when Mr. Lancaster was 6104%1 •
at Bath, he delivered a lecture upon his plan of edu- I Sir Roatwr ließom ;laving withdrawn his firstßes
cation, in which lecture he introduced several selec- • solution, proposed the second) by way of Amend-
tiotts from the Liturgy of the Church. It is welt • meta to the oriekisal Resolutions, in these words :
known, said Mr. Langton, that the Quakers have no ; Resolved, That.. the plan of education adopted at this Aleeting,
liturgy; and M. Lancaster paid a proper respect
to be such as not to .exclude Christian Disseptcrs ; and that the
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to attend Diviac Service at Co etacea
the national church, by making it his text-book. or h
Indeed, that 14ncaster,ts hostile to the Church, a CHAPLIN, of Riseholm, thought the children
sufficiently disproved by the very marked patronage ; should be obliged to attend the Church Service ; but
which he had received from his Majesty, who is ; afterwards might be allowed to attend what Other
placed at the head of that 'Church, and by the known! places they thought proper. •
adoption of his plan, under tike auspices
,of that dis- The Amendment was then proposed, but rejected ;
tinguished Prelate, the Bishop of Norwich. Now can and the original Motion was passed by a !Argo skew
any one suspect Lancaster's System of improper prin- lof hands. . ,
ciples, for Sir Romeo Mann has communicated tome I Mr. DRAPER returned thanks to the Chairman, for
a circumstance, which at once removes from it every I the candour which the Dissenters had experienced,
Suspicion of the kind, and de„ionstrates its excellent ! during the Meeting, and the attention with which
tendency to promote good morals.—Namely,--That I they had been heard. ..
during six years, since his school has been opened at I On the Motion of Mr, ELLISON, the thanks of the
gorwich, there has not been an instance of one of Meeting were voted to Lord Brownlow, for his con-
the children of that school being brought before a ctuct in the Chair.
Magistrate for any, pffence whatever. I also conceive
a decided superiority in the plan of Lancaster, ber
cause it is comprehensive and liberal, offering itistruc-
tion to all, while that of Dr. Bell requires exclusive in-
Istruction in the principles and doctrines of the Church
of. Eugland, Is not this intolerance, or something
like intolerance? Is it not, in fact, offering instruc-
tion as a bribe to the poor, to adopt your religion,
and refusing iostroctina tp 'those who decline to ace
cept your bribe?
The Rev. Mr. Um, of Lincoln, .followed the
arguments of Mr. Turner and Mr. Ellison; addipg,
that to teach the principles of all parties in the same
school, would be introducing a perfect chaos. .
Sir RoiscaT lhaoN said, that he was sorry to
trouble the company again, but felt himself called
upon by the Reverend Gentleman who spoke last,
who had asked, in what religion were the children
to be instructed? I hope I gave my opinion fairly, as
lam bound to do. I think I said (because it cer-
tainly is my opinion) that they should not go in-
structed in any dogmas whatever, which would have ,
a tendency to exclude the children of Dissenters.
But because I would not have them taught party',
creel, I hope it is not supposed that I would have 1
them without any religion at all. I would rather
i give them my own than that they should be without
any. But my idea is, that they would still enjoy
; the same rcligio,us instruction which they now do, and
I have the additional advantage of being more generally
instructed. As to what has fallen from another quer-
d ter, said I wished the plan to be so far enlarged es
I not to exclude the Dissenters ; for certainly, whether
it be right or wrong, they will be excluded if dogmas
are to be taught, which are contrary to their system.
I do not say you are wrong if you adopt the reso-
, lutions ; I only wish that the opionions I state may be
fairly considered. It is not my practice to believe
; that every man who does not think as I do in reli-
c gion, is an Atheist; or in politics, a Jacobin, and
an enemy, to the Government. But certainly tae
I Church of Eugland, which is of a comprehensive ea-
! pacit), contains within it all ranks of men : and
among its numerous clergy none can doubt there are
many scoundrels, alt Cough I really believe they are,
in the main, a respectable body of men, and
quite as good as we can possibly expect. Where,
however, any one could pick up from what I said
any thing hostile to the church, I cannot imagine--
but I have though 4 it necessary to say thus much in
explanation, ii, order to guard against a mi,con-
ception. Undcmbtedly, the invitation to assemble
here, by the Lord Lieutenant and the Bishop, was
narrowed ; but when here it is every man's duty to
give his opinion, and to take the opinions of others.
We are to discuss freely and openly every system,
and to decide upon that which appears the best for
the communitv.
Mr. M twin, of Lincoln, wished to ask the ques-
tioa. whether the children of Dissenters were to be
admitted into the schools, on condition of going to the
F..:fiblished Church, and of their not going to a dis-
senting Liming. This had not been explained.
Burr said only one religipus system could ly•
taught, and that must he the system of the Church
of Eng.and, end asked whether the Dissenters would
teach Cite established religionin their schools.
Mr. DIOPER, a preacher in the Methodist connect-
flan, replied, we teach no system of religion it all ;
we teach the word of Got); for we conceive to bind
ourselves to the principles of a party, would be a
plan far too narrow. The system that has been pro-
posed to-day, is certainly too contracted. If it is
to be called a national school, why not permit the
whole nation to support it ? It cannot be called with
propriety a national institution, when a very large
proportion of the nation is virtually excluded from it.
Mr. Rm. expressed his indignation at• the word
•tulrel MO- - been ilied ' bed,

FRIENDS of the 119Y1I, LANCAS-
X 'FP:MAN SYSTEM for the EDUCATION of the
POOR, beg lease to suggest to the tiargy and Ministers of va-
rious denominations, the propriety of addressing their congrega-
tions, on the approaching Fast-day, upon the great motional
benefits which must be expected to result from general instruc-
tion in the iblly Scriphoes, as the most effectual means to di-
minish national sins and avert national judgments. Collections
Might then he made M aid of that Institution, by the agency of '
which one hundred thousand chillicen, in difFereut parts of the
British Empire, have been rescued from ignorance.
&Ascriptions and donations will be received by Meow.. Ken-
sinAtons, tityan, and Adams, Bankers, Lombard-street ; Joseph
Fox, Esq. Secretary to the Institution, Yi, Argyle-street, West-
minster; and Mr. William Carillon, No. SO, Ludgate-hill.

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THE STATE S.ALiN.

LONDON:
FRIDAY, JANUARY 31, 181 g.

Really we lice in strange times compared with
those of a century post. We have standing laws
against the introduction of foreign troops; and from
a partiality not very excusable, altd destitute of
every rational and prudential foundation, the Sove-
reign has been permitted by Parliament to incorpo-
rate foreign mercenaries with our army, anti to even
disguise our native soldiers in German attire. By
tho las! returns we maintain 21,000 vagabonds of
this description—all Soldiers of fortune—Otlicers
anti Privates. The Field Officers as pennyless as
their rank and file, and all of them leeches, sucking
our best blood. But though the House of Commons
has supinely suffered the country to be inundated
by a foreign banditti—though this part of the
Legislature has shown a complaisance, which our an-
cestors would have called servility, or something
werse, if they could have contemplated the Admi-
ralty Droits, and other resources of Ministers ; yet
that is no excuse for the supineness of the nation at
large. The Counties and Borough towns might
have met and reminded the Sovereign of the exist-
ence of the different Acts of Parliament against the

Piave the management of it, confirms public le•
port,—Some accounts say, that the private pro.
perty of the- KING amounts to FIVE N1;1,110..,..
MIMI to Three; but were it only Batt' a ill;.
Ijou, we eoneeivo it to be unconstitutional, and we
kppw it to be highly dangerous to our liberties brae
.tipe KING should possess, as his own private pron.ri,
a single guinea—much less that lie should 1-,„e 1
right to hoard; for, in the first place, whose pr0p,,,,,
is it that he hoards, arid for what purposeis it hoanieffs
These are questions which the nieJticst understti,(l.
ing can answer, as well as Itlr. PERCEVAL; and the,
are questions that every man should put to lviins,;,,
nosy that the secret is-out, and avowed, that the lily,
has amassed considerable riches. It is also ackiwr,
ledged that the KING has made severai porclias,
of land ; this was known generally, but it is
now publicly justified, or at least talked of
a matter of course; but if we conceive rialwy
of the situation of a king in a limited tnonarcliv,
he has no right to purchase land.--If he is peralitti4
ito buy one acre, he may buy a million ; and a king
with such freeholds in his possesspn, w ill soap bit
a conditieo,were he so disposed, to dispossess us of ail
our freeholds.---If a million, or 1,'200,9001. br. not
1 enough for his civil list expenditure, double these
i—quadruplo it—by no means stint the King, or
-leave him without the means of amply rewarding
merit of every kind and great public services ; but JR
no account allow him to amass wealth for 11 i MPH', Ur
to hold even one acre of land in fee.—Kings of I:ai.
land hare no right to be freelto:ders,

PROOFS OF THE PROSPERITy OF OUR MANU,
FACTURES.

The late rise of colonial produce and he prow, int rf Ala
thief manurst. taring towns, must give great conliMoce in tim
power and resources of the British Empire, as they afford a .1;:.
nal triumph over the machinations and the malice oldie enemy:,
—[Scse the Courier of yesterday.]
We might refer to the experience of the whole ma.
nufacturing towns in Great Britain and Ireland, is
evidence of the falschood of the above statement. At
present we shalt only adduce two instances : the riots
at Nottingham, and the alarm which has been excited
in Glasgow, in consequence of a disposition with h has
appeared among the operative wearers there to proceed
to extremities. In addition to what we communicated
yesterday respecting the proceedings of the rioters
at Nottingham, we are informed that a respectable
housethere, 4C being apprehensive for the fate of some
frames at Hucknail, applied for military aid to a
Magistrate (which was only wanted for one night, it
being ;Wended to remove the property next des);
I but the request was refused, on the plea that Lent
WALDEGRAVg refused to suffer his men to go out,
unless applied for in the morning; and although the
Magistrate was reminded that the military were on,
der the ecultroul of the Civil Power, he, notultb.
standing, p ‘rsisted that he had not the power to
command Lord Wetestaretve. Considerable pro,
perty being in danger in the parish of Linby, appli,
cation was made to a Meeting of Magistrates for a
military guard for that district, for a few days, un-
til such property could be removed to places of
greater security ; the answer was, that the General
must be consulted before any thing could be done.
—4. t a late Meeting at the County Hall, Not.
iltdegharn, the Duke of NEWCASTLE, Lard Lieu-
tenant, In the Chair, _it was resolved, That a
Isubscriution be entered into by the inhabitants of
the county of Nottingham, for the purpose of ob.
tabling such information, and enforcing such mea-
sures as might be judged necessary by a Committee of
the Magistrates, for bringing to jnstice the per:on.l
concerned km pet pet rating the outrages so prevalent in
the; county ; and farther, it was the opinion of the
said Committee, that all persons who shall have sus-
tained aliy loss by malicious mischief, except (to es a
most unaccountable exception) the owners of stock-
ing or lace-frames, in consequence ot their exertion,
in aid of the civil power, be offered a compensation out
of such subscriptions as may be mule, &e. The sub.
scription was opened by his Grace with 5001. and the
like sum was subscribed by Lord Meenevroe. De-
legates from the Luddites, we are farther informed,
have beet tent into Yorieshire, to foment disturbances

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0 teecher to instil hitt? him any but his own opinions. ' the clergy.—{A general cry of " No! yo !It -WejS Introduction of foreign troops into the country, and iin that county ; and a deputation of 13 has been to the
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manner ?- if nor so!"]
I called epon his MAJtivry to respect those laws which • lipitaffields weavers, in Loudon, for the same illegal
we do not attend to their religious education when [Here a desultory,couvermtion arose, which continued for ; •ibis I' ' we offer them the bread of knowledge, we shall be some time. New seemed able to define es meat precis! "Otto , perfidious Ministers had violated. The KING purpose." Will it be said that the alarming aspect
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the nattuant-seholl sus •to he conduetell• and the ennuirieree can certainly do right,
&flag. them a.titone, we shall 'be infuaitig into.thens. Ito. shtrer and hp. Draper, which • were' frequentl.,
, pressed !
P though we are gravely assured 1 which these proceedings bear, and which have given
V' . a poison, rather than Conferring a good. You' neither the Chairman nor his frieqds could satisfactorily an- he can do no wrong—and having the power to do .rise to a Meeting of such' importance, are proofs a
would soon see what reading and .writing would swer.] - tutus?"
right, the Freeholders and Burgesses might have , the " prosperity of our chief manufacturing do without religious instruction.—But we are Mr. Thyme thought the plan not sufficientlydi- assembled in their respective counties and. towns, I Again, when the following particulars relative to the
t t raked intolerant—a good deal has been seid gested; to which it was replied, but we are ,come
4 stout irritating the minds of the Dissenters. I ask here to digest it. The Chairman observed .we are , and prayed his MAJESTY to dismiss those Ministers situation of matters at Glasgow, are matte sof&
who i'ritates the Dissenters, where are they op- to proceed:on the Resolutions of the Committee in t
' who had brought foreian mercenaries into the natioe 1 ciently public, will the Ciurier have the int.
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11 4 ' pressed? It is not the character of the Church of London, end that the subject of going to church, or ;iu defiance of law. It is not too late for the people,, pn . . again
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i 1 • .''gland to irritate them. i hope I. shall not be not going to church, was' not decided by them • hut • deuce to come forward and, repeat its
to assemble for this purpose, and address the i unfounded assertion ? 4, A most serious alarm
I thought to speak with any disrespect of that most
• the thought it mightlollow as a corollary, that the; PRINCE to employ the Germans on foreign service, I was last week excited at Glailow, originating
iii r:.•spxclable bqdy of men, the Clergy of our Church, children would attend the Established Church. That 1 and
'l4 hen I say, instead o , that, f taking an • steps to sees- Y the question which had been put was certainly a very : defiancenp longer suffer them to remain amongst us, in in the distresses which have for a coasidernble time
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of Acts of Parliament, a mockery at once i been experienced by the operative weavers in th t.
Rate the Dissenters, there is rather too much apathy fair-question, and deserved proper attenlion.
about them, The Dissettters hare been infinitely The Dean of Listcorx thought they must wait the •of our laws and our boasted rights.—li was the ! cit‘p and neighbourhood. It is but justice to the. •
I l' more active and industrious than the Members of resolutions adopted by the London Sotiety; who f duty of Parlipment to have restric lisw
trd the Ser.? ! men to state, that the patience with which they .
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the Church of England, in their endeavours to edu- they adopted we shall follow. ' 1 vents of the Crown, It is no fr. 03 the duty of the :fang borne the severe pri • vattons and penury to t.dli
1i t pate the poor. But, however inactive we may have The Rev. Mr. TURNER thought the question nu- : people to admonish Parliament to a faithful dis, : they have been reduced, has been highly exemplary,
I. Levu in atintiding the means of knowledge to them, sweretl itself. If parents send their
children, they charge of Its duty, and to exact obedience to the I and furnishes a striking proof of the benefits which a
a plan is now, in some measure, advanced, that suits will of course expect they
teill go to church.
our and will answer our wisher. We will now AL .ON itadmonition. But this spirit in the country !teems community derives from-the proper education of the
views, Mr. D r observed, leas not a Spartan : . a
begin, and will follow it up in the way that best suitsto have disappeared with
that integrity and lower orders. For about a year past, the wearrs , 1
seizure, that parents were at lib t•todo as the
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the views of the great body of the nation. pleased. • 1 public spirit which marked our Legislature in the Glasgow and neighbourhood have been without , u
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The LORD Gratfram (NT here remarked, that this General PANE pointed out one of the printed re- days of Gm:mice I. rind IL . It must be re- employment ; and those who have been able to pro-
fwas ;writhe time to discuss the comparative merits of solutions of the Society in London, which, he : called, of the country will be lost. There is also cure work, hove had their wages so much reduced,
the.plans of Dr. Bell and Mr. Lancaster ; that they thought, set the question'at rest; and that the eta...!
1 , sweie assembled to determine whether the plan laid dren wisqld be certainly required to civil-!another matter less serious add ' which that few of them have been able to earn more the"
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.Established Church. It behoves Parliament tq investigate—the private seven ;killings per week, though manq of them hare
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.1 i the Gentlemen present. Mr. MAWER asked, but if they go to church der. Property of the Elsa is variously reported, but all large families. Alret ten days ago, delegates from
Mr. LANG•roN observed, that Mr. Lancaster had, ing the regalar service time, will they have the liberty agree that It Is enormoess and the oath of secrecy to these
been ,cf4o of being !is) oppugner of the plinciples 9f doing to ohapel afterrads ? ._
, . • • meta. waited upon the Magistrates of Glasgow,
. IN 1F1P910414* three comppliasioaso who are to t o represent to them their di:frond state) and to
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