The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-05-31 00:00:00

THE STATFSMAN

CONSTANTINOPLE. MARCH SS.—We have as yet heard
aothiug new of the evetus of the warm the Datsuhe. the rea-
son of which, probilbly, is the illness which has attacked the
Gamic Itasca. io his campat Schumla, and even threatets
his life. But the last accounts, relative to his health. are
more favourable, and the GRAND SEIGNIOR has sent off, in
all haste, two European rhysicians to the camp. The pre-
' pa:l4km' for the approaching campaign are, at the same time.
tarrying on with tine greatest activity. Besides the troops
which return from their cantonments. many reinforcements.
cad particularly from the capital. 4doo Jsuiissaries. and a
corps of artillerymen, have set oat far the camp at Schumla.
The activity which prevails in the arsenals Is the greater.
as the Forte tatends to make oar at mice against the Rus-
sians and the Wechabites, as it is very n'ecessary to drive the
latter out of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, which the
Koran commands all good blessulmen to visit at least once in
their lives. Particular orders have therefore been given .for
that purpose to the Pachus of Bagdad and Egypt. The hit-
, ter is to collect a number of trumpets at Suez, and the
Pacing of Bagdad make en attack oat the laod-sitle.—(Ans-
Merriam Royal Courant, May Sti.)
BREMEN MAY B.—lt is believed that the three ilaosea-
tie towns, llismburgh, Bremen, and Lubeck, will he charged
' with the maintenance of two regiments of French cavalry,
and four regiments of infantry.—( Loggias Journal, May 25.

The Princess AMELIA was considered much bet.
ter yesterday.
The following is the Bulletin of this morning,
respecting Mr. WINDAAM
" Mr. Windham has hada reales night ; but is not, in any
respect, worse this morning."
Lord Gittsixim.t is so well recovered as to have
signified to his friends a strong hope that he
shall be able to attend in his place on the discus-
sion of. the Catholic Pbtition in the House of
Peers.
The Princess of Onawos was safely delivered
of a daughter at Berlin, on the 9th instant.
We learn with very great pleasure, that a Meet-
ing is fixed for July next of the opulent and popu.
lons county of York, to consider the subject of
the late proceedings tif the House of Commons,
and of a Reform of Parliament.
A. meeting took place on Wednesday seninight
at Hull, for the Purpose of voting an Address to
the House of Commons, on the subject of Sir
FRANCIS BURDETT and GALE JONES, and pray.
ing fur their release from confinement. The
Chair was taken by the Rev. J. BuostteY, itt
the absence of the Mayor. Mi. DAHILL SYKES
arose and addressed the meeting, and prutlued
the Petition, which was react by the Rev. Chair.
mail, and which, 'as the phrase is, was merely
"an echo of his speech." The motion for pre-
senting-the Petition by the Members fur the town
was, then made by M r• S rites and seconded by the
Rev. MILES POI•PI.E, and the motion was carried
without opposition, as was also the minion of
thanks to the Cheirniali.
Capt. Fosse's-ea ease comes again' before Par.
tianient on Friday. The defetiiive pamphlet of
this gallant Officer against the statement of ..Gen.
CrtAWroito contains 'towages which the lAitor will
probably find d!flicult to reconcile to his own as.
sertions, or his own feelings. '
By a Letter received yesterday from Hambargh,
we learn aids regret the failure of the firm of
BLACKER and Co*. of that city, .for a million and
a half of Marks Balm).
• His NIAJESI'V came to town yesterday, shout
twelve o'clock, and was received at the Queues'
Palace, by the Dukes of YORK, KENT, SUSSEX,
and caw:sumac At two o'cl.ick his M
held a private Levee. Thu following had the ho.
nuur of being presz:nted to his ,blastrrir
Admiral ' podaca. the late Spanish Minister; the Duke
Del Alhurnseroue. the Leo, Sn..o!sh Amhasarutirr, presented
by the Marquis Wellesley. His k,seellency had an audience
of his Majesty. and was most graciou:lN received .—D. Jose
Alnueo Ortiz, Coal General of Spain :—U Coronet de
Caltaleria' Conde de Blnd, Grandee of Spain of the First
Class; and D. Estevan Fuck Jean, Aides.de-Camp of the
Duke del Albuqueique ; —D. Manuel de Abella, Secretary
of the titsloso Extraordinary ; —Captain Dunbar, R. N.
with the Neirathire Address, spun whit It occasion lie re-
eeivad the Wismar of Kiiiettiusud t—Lord James Murray,
u*a his marriage I the Marquis of Downshire nu coming
his mei...Lord Holton nn his marriage;—Curd Hective, on
casing of age. by Isis father, the Marquis of Heatlfort ;
Lord Mispitunierie. his promotion ;—Sir Thomas Ackland,
tos his marriage; Sir John Gore on his marriage •l—lis ice-Ad-
mina Nir Jolla Duckworth. nn going to Newfoundland ;
Rear-Admiral jr% Thomas Williams. on hoisting :lie flag ;
Sir Sohn Walsh, on bk being created a Baronet B—Vice-Ad-
miral Vashoti, on his promotion ;—alr. Frere, on his returii
frown Spain ; Doctor Mailing, R. N. nn his
return from Vera Cruz and C:Oliz ;—Mr. Banhulnamew
Frere ;—Lieut. Mating, Royal Artillery ;—Lieut.-Col. Ward-
last f—Slr Williams Ball, no tinning ill pis title;-Sir Gonville
Brawny:id f—Liest.-Col. Fuller, of the. Coldstream Guards ;
Lieut.-Col. Blackwell;-;-Capt. John Charles Woollcombe;
Csl. Vereker—Liew.-Col: Alhothuat Cain. Cockburn ;
Major Frazer ;—M 11: Ifulann ;—T he Rail of Harting ion.
Ills MAJESTY' held .a Privy .GentiCils Sik/MO
andience to the Cabinet Mintiteri., 4fge. . •

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business that is quite foreign to its nature)
a• partial Meeting of the inhabitants, with
the addition, too, of some hard words. To
counteract-.-(fur we do not know why we
should not counteract our enemies, and the ,
people's enemies, while they are _amusing them:
selves with countet-meetings)—eo counteract this
wrong and injury, he thought it well that another
Gentleman of rank should be called• to the chair
of this meeting, and this was' accordingly done.
The sense of the Livery, on the late extraordinary
proceedings of the House of Commons, bad been
taken, and he (the MAYoR) presided at the meet.
ing—the sense of the inhabitants of the town was
now about to be taken, and it was well to show that
this Meeting also was sanctioned, not only by
the respectable names that called the Meeting, but
by the chair being filled by another of the most
respectable persons in Nottingham. Mr. Alder-
man Howlsrr was called to the Chair. Mr. Am.
JAU BOND, Mr. WAREVIELD, and Mr. DAYIsoN,
severally urged the necessity of adjourning to the
Market-plate ; and, in doing ao, gave the lie be-
forehand, if any JACois should arise to say--
" This NoTTINGIIAM Meeting is a Meeting of
pickpockets and assassins."—The Guildhall of
Nottingham is not a small' Hall ; but mischievont
paid*, might .represent the Meeting ai narrower
than. it reel4ywas, if held any where but in the
Market-place. The Meeting was therefore regu.
larly adjourned to the Market-place.; and the
propriety of that was fully seen, for there were
not less than 5000 persons present.
Mr. TitoMAs RICHARDS addressed the Meet-
ing with much diffidence, apologizing as not hav-
ing been accustomed to public speaking, but he
thought it,to be the duty of every Briton to step
forward at this eventful crisis. lie hail been in.
duced to appear there to support with all his',
'energy. the present endeavours made to obtain a
Parliamentary Reform, to prove the necessity of
which he entered into the causes which gave birth
to the late stud preient calamitous wars. lie made
several forcible and very pertinent remat Its, and
concluded with 'imposing certain Resolutions.
Mr. DENISON caine forward to second them,
which, being put to a show of hands by the Chair.
man, were agreed to without opposition. Mr.
Denison's speech was unquestionably a master-
piece of reasoning. Ile began by showing the
real necessity of a Parliamentary Reform, by
prodseing innumerable instances of the wanton
waste of the national property, and of the de-
pendent state of numbers of our Peers and Men).
bers of the Lower House. His list of ..Vinecuri
Placemeis and favourite Pensioners could only have
!wen obtained, by long and close resel:ch. lie
'then took a view of the origin of the House
of Commons, the first summoning of Knights of
the Shire by. Henry 111. the more complete House
in the time of Edward 111. ; the duration of'',
Parliaments he also dwelt upon, front the time
of their being held annually ; and noticed their
becoming triennial, and finally septennial. He
next drew the attention of the Meeting to Magnn
Ghana, from its first date to the time of Charles'.
naming the diffgreut Kings who hail confirmed
or ratified , it ; mentioning 'the several statutes
passed hi the early years .of the reign of Edward
111. and others, several of which 'he now con.
ceived to be breken by the fate proceedings of the
House of Commons, in the case of John Gale
Jones and Sir F. Burdett. He concluded by say-
ing, that—view the subject on. whichsoever side he
might, he could not but see' the itaring necessity
' 'of Reform. Mr. Denison was repeatedly inter-
rupted by bursts of applause. •
The Rev. Joiis Gee !fey then. rose, and in a
most elegant speech (though short) shewed the ab.
solute want of a Reform in the Commons [louse
of Parliament. He contended, that no person
could give his representative a power of throw.'
ing hint (the CONSTITUENT), into prison. Sup-
posing the Members of the House of Commons
were really the representatives of the people, then
lie thought (if such a power could be given), the
representative ought to be his substitute, or re,
present,him in prison also; and if, on the other
hand, the House of Commons did not represent the
people, which it was evident it did not, the sooner
there was a Reform of that Blouse Ate better. lie
next animadverted on the ATToRNET-GcN ERA Vs
doctrine of punishing by analogy, which he thought
the most ridiculous that could be imagined, since
crimes of any kind might be committed by analogy.
After dwelling for some time on these topics, he
proposed a Petition to the House of Commons for
Reform,' and for the reconsidering of their
late proceedings, which' he read, and Mr. FRANCIS
WAKEFIELD seconded. Mr. WAKEFIELD en.
lewd into the subject of Referni with a great
degree of spirit, and pasted some very flattering
encomiums on the people of ,Nottingham fur their
endeavonri to obtain
,a reform of those abuses
ethieli it. was evident hail crept'in to the undermin-
ing of our Constitution. He said, they kriew these
things, and wished to see them removed ; and it was
for that wish that he always respected them ; for
it ii a; men like them that -knew they bed a Consti-
tution, anti valued it, rad it was men like them
that
.would fight fur it, if the daring hand of a fo.
reign enemy attempted: to touch it. He was ro-
.peatedly, cheered by the)wople around.
~,.
Mr. DENISON said be objected to only one
word in thefetition, which was the eon, " hum:
file." Ile did not. approve of it, we had been
pretty humble fur a long time, and bumble wo
might be still, if we chose; lint for his part lie
,•aliteetil move for that word being taken out, which
was agreed to by an instantaneous show Of hands.
Mr. DANIEL FREETH next came forward ; and '
after a very excellent speech, nitived an addresato',
Sir FRANCIS Bennett, which was read by Mr.
Was. Eves, and seconded- by Mr. R. BoNarma-
Too, who spoke for some time on the *objects-
then before ,the Meeting. Mr. BONNVIGTON9I
speech was frequently cheered, being replete with
hummer is well as strong reasoning. .
Mr. WelieeleLD .ai«ved the Thanks of the
'Meeting to the 1111Yolt for his readiness in calling
it, which was pelmed with applause.
Mr. BoNlpticxow moved Thanks to Mr. DENI-
som, which also, was agreed to, with loud plaudits.
Mr. Denison 'returned Thanks and Mr. Altl.
Ilewtrrdissolved the Meeting: '

To the EDIA Hi of the ST.IIII.:S.ILIN.

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Sta,—ln conacquencu of a paragraph which
appeared in your Paper of last Saturday, I fud
myself -called upon onetragasn, and that in a more
public manner, to clear tipttbe misunderstanding
srbicks took place between -% certain Right Huh.'

GO demon and Myself two years ago, relative to,
the app►sintment of Irish -Catholic Bishops.
To be as brief then is passible : I uever autho..
rized any person to make a proposal on that or un
any other subject in Parliament; nor was I (Iv( r
le►! to suppose
_that such a proposal
.would be

made, till I heard it in the louse of Commons oa
Wednesday night, May 25, 1808. Haring wait.
ed, by invitation, on the personage in question
four days before the Debate on tho Cathalie

Question came on, and being asked, in quality
of Agent to the Catholic Bistops of Ireland,

what concessions they would make to the

Crown in future nominations to their vacant

Sces, I answered, that they never could grant

to an uncatholic government a positive power
its this religious concern ; but that I 113 d
no doubt of their yielding to it such Lind of

negative interference, as would satisfy it with rc
sped to the loyalty of future Cantiohtes, T ad.
.ded; however, and repeattA ttiith ttnplta•is, that I
had no instructions on the subject, and therefore
could giveno pledge on the part of niy Constituents,

This latter clause was so clearly understood, ti►at

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I was requested to write to the leading Irish Bi.
shops on the subject, without loss cf time, as
did by that night's (Saturday's) post. Ito this con..
versation, which, to' the best of my recollection,
slid not last a quarter of an hour, nothing was
said about an, prior negotiation with the Irish
Prelates concerning this matter, nor of any other
ground on which • I might have fosmed my opi.
nion, nor of a list of three Candidates being
presented at a time, nor did the word Kb,
once occur. I wrote nothing, unless, 'scrimp,
my address ; and if, soon after the courersa..
tion, I sent a hasty note; of which I took no
copy, from, any bookseller's shop to the Gen. •
tieman iu question, it was barely by way of in.
forming him of a circumstance which I mos afrai.l
of having forgotten, nut of furnishing a project
for him to propose in Parliament or to act upon.
Let now any Parliamentary Report of the debate
on the Catholic Question in May, 1808, be
looked into, and the li.nguage in which the
proposal in question was made; as grounded on
my supposed authority, be weighed, in order
to ascertain which party has a right to corn.
plain on the present occasion. •It seems, indeed,
to'be admitted at this day (contrary to the tenor
of those reports), that I did not take upon ,usy.
self to vouch for the consent of the Irish Bishops.
If not, hoei could I authorize a proposal on their
part, and even presume to dictate the terms of it?
To argue in this manner froni a loose unpremedi-
tated conversation or a hasty confidential note,
where the party was not informed of the use that
was to be made of either, is unjust, as well as
ungenerous. Finally, I never expressed my ap-
probation of the minter in which this proposl.
was.made id the House of Commons, nor was I
present when Lord FINGAL is said to hare ap•
proved of it.
In confirmation of this statement I have to add,
that the very morning after the Debate, namely,
May 26, I printed a Protest against the use which
had been made of my name on the preceding eves.
ing, with respect to the proposal in question, co-
pies of which are still in existence. This was
shown by me a day or two afterwards to our• Par.
liamentary friends, who acknowledged they were'
not surprised at my alarm, acknowledging that I
had nut authorized them to advance what they
had • advanced, and consenting that I should
circulite my Protest amongst my Clerical
Brethren. A few months after this, when a
writer in a Ministerial Paper had accused these
Gentlemen of imposing upon Parliament and the
Public, in pretending to have held communications
with me, which had not taken place, I felt it my
duty, in another newspaper, to refute the calumny.
I did not, however, acknowledge that I had au.
thorised the proposal; but I stated the pt rttculats
mentioned above, and tinm asserted, that 44 thus
far our advocates were warranted in is hat they hail
advanced ;" which was as much as to• gay, t"t
communication had taken place, and that I had
expressed a persuasion thatthe Irish Prelates would
consent to a limited negative...,. The circumstance
which misled this Ministerial writer, and has since
misled many other persons, in consequence of their
nut understanding the nature of that limited 'moor,
which I represented as likely to be conceded, was
the declaration- which I bate never ceased to make
in print, and by word of mouth, since the fist
mention of this subject ; namely, that " I would
46 rather lose my life than be instrumental in giving
44 power or influence to an uneatholic -Govern.
sc ment over the Catholic Church." The fact is,
the project, as I' had conceived and explaiued
it,.tgave no such power or influence; but barely
estibled It, thrrsugh the 'controuling power of
tlii.t(Catisolic • 11,iihepts to prevent the sispoitst.
tacnt• of a dtsinyal candidate, in
.the absurd

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Supposition ,of such an one being proposed.
—ln the en
.d I (otind,, that, as OD Irish
would admit of no Veto, whatsoever, so oar
political friend• wo,uld not agree to those yestric.
thins upon, it which knew to be essentially nem.
nary. Nothing then remained for Wes asi an, Ito.
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nest consistent cAitholie„ than to adhere to any
pledge of Kfferiag every thing rather than, giving

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my consent or cottplonince to it any% longer, <Me
• of these friends is reported to have lately said that
1 have done almost a; much mkschief as Dlr.
DULGL3Atf. As this Hun. Gentleman maiutsins
lay religion to he idolatrous, no wonder he should
consider the undermining of it in a different light
from what k du. This event to me, who bays
wt:i4ceil every worldly considerstion to my :vb.
is tholreatest of all mischiefs, which tali!.
chief is aggravated in my eyes by its, being done
atnder a prelytee of serving it.
;nut& of occupying their Minds %Oat the con.
duct of a mufn of so little importance as mrelf,
4 wish these great Statesmen would attend to the
unamisvereble arguments which I have lately ad.
stressed to them in my Elucidation of the Veto,
wherein I have demonstrated that the present po.
laical state of affairs is by no means without es.
ample, as they suppose; that the Catholics hay.
ins, by their oaths and in their conduct, devoted
their property, their civil rights, their persons,
their lives, their writings, their- sermons, and
their prayers to the service of their King and
conntty, nothing mere in justice or common
tense can be required at their bands ; that there
full as much reason for interfering in the reli-
gions concert's of all other Dissenters from the
citabliOed Church and of il;k. Jews as in those of the
c."atholies ; that the ground on which this it ettenaved
wetild have excluded the Apostl42 of JESUS
Cttevst• from preaching and bapt4ing in this
island ; and, finally, that to pretend to pacify
r.elrivil by altering its ancient faith, which it now
of 14(X) years standing, or, whet is more irritat.
jeg, for Noble and lionnerable Personages, who
wear that this religion is idolatrous, to tell the
4rish, as they do at the present day, 44* wo know
your religiop better than you know it yourselves,"
i§ more ihsprd, and likely to be more fatal, than
flipping thp s'hisliers and flattening the turbans of
our Mahomedan soldiers in India, which attempt,
the other day, deluged our fortresses there mit!)
a torrent of British blood, and 66)4 our Em.
rive to ito yell centre.
I am, itc.
alverhaanuna! May ‘:9, 1810.

JQUN MILNER.

Furip LNG: ESGIJI.Q UP:ft BILLS

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It may be recollected, that a short time ago,
While the eight millions of floating Exchequer Bills
were funding, which the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer had determined to call in, several com-
plaints were niado that an undue preference was
sap isn to certain holders of these bills, in detri.
'tient to others and the public at large. -A select
Committee was appointed by the !louse of Com.
Wei to inquire into the truth of these complaints;
and the report, vhiph has just been presented;
'hews that they were not without foundation.
The following is the conclusion of the Report
" Upon the whole your Committee are of opi.
DWI that gross partiality has been sliewn.in thq
late funding of Exchequer Bills, and that the de.
fails of particular facts, before enumerated, call
for the immediate revision and reform of the Office.
your Committee are not authorised to point
put any mode by which it might appear to (hem the
.liusiness respectini; funding Exchequer Bills, could
•pc •placed On a f)etter footing ; but the defects of
he office in the departmpnt submitted to the con.
'ltitleration of the Committee are manifest; the sys.
bern ij radically bad ; and the public are proved to
ap received material injury, to the *thalami: of
favoured individuals."

j.etters from Charlestown, in America, to the
19th Of April, were received yesterday, which
state, that it was expected Congress would adjourn
pn the 2ti, without any measures being adopted
relative' to the'Non-Intercourse Act, which will
consequently expire of itself. A spirit of optic).
pitien; most determined and persevering, has ma-
nifested itself between the 'two breaches of the
gislature in that cnuntry. Whatever measure is
forward in the goose of Ipepreseutatives
iisl;ertain to be opposed is the Senate.
We have received Dutch Papers to the 23d,
from which it appears? that the Emperor of A i.:s.
rata has issued a decree, prahibitiug, after` the
tith of „bine, the importation of coffeei extent mit-
tier special licence, paying a.duty of 60 v.
tins per quintal. Upon the publication of this de.
tree, coffee instantly ruse from G ff. 30 k. to 2 flu.
the pound. The Emperor, in answer to in:wie
merchants from Trieste., who had perionally ap-
plied for permission to settle at yienna, is said to
have advised them to return home, as they would
Soon hear of an agreeable piece of itcws.
Boximo.—The grand concern between Dutch
Sum anti dledley takes-place this day, at a held
next Moulsey norst. There is in the origin 6001.
depending on the match, and the bets are now
down 7t04 in fayour of L)utch Sum.-1I is truly
to be lamented, that men, whose rank in society
entitles them ac be looked up to, shottlit patronize
boxing matetee. It is not courage that they are
promoting—fur courage is a generous power of
the mind, which gives support mullet a sense of
danger—when exercised in a good
,coose it is
e
virtue; but ceases to be noble when mptoyain a
bad one. True courage disdains to be petulent ;
it neither seeks danger, nor shrieks from meeting
it. The•man that' receives pleasure et a prize-
fight) has feeliugs not to be envied.

4MP14R1414 P4RLI4JJE!T.

HOUSE OF LORDS, May 3g.

In the Criesmittee of Privileges on the Roxburgh Peerage,
the; LORD'CHA,NCULLOIR, proposed that the Committee
ta should sit a in on Tuesdpy neat, for the purpose of consi-
dering certu n Itesulailons relative td the claims before them,
and"the Co ittee las ilted4dingly appointed to sit On that
day.
'The Irish Warehousing 1411 the Oil of Vitriol Bill, and
the'Scots Woad; Hifi, were read a third time and paided.
The Lima' MU; the Isle of Man Cestoms Consolidation
Bill, and the Scats, Excise Officers'. Superiumaatioa Bill, pass-
ed through t iimrnittee.; and were reported. .
The Eirchequer Rills Bill, the Dish Insolvent Debtors'
Bill, the Chi rchwardens and Oveytien' Accounts Rill, and
the Poor Laws Amendment Bill,) lye read a second time,
tad committed for Friday. . ' ••• "
The second reading of a Bill from the.Conurons, (or car-
rying into effect the bequest of Anna Maria Reynolds' to the
Sinking Fetid, Was objected to by the Lord Chancellor, who
observed, that if the will of this person was good, there was
no iteressity for An Act cif Parliament to carry it into effect ; .
and if It was nut good, it was a subject for very serious con-,
sidedition, whether they should; by Act of Parlianient, .de
prive her relatives of what they might he entitled td ou' fai-
lure of the will. -The'secoud waning bf the 11.11 was de!
ferred..
The second reading of the Bere Forest Bill was, -After..
some conversation bet teems Lords WitisinghliM, Holland,
Brantley, Flood of Catherington, and the Earl of Suffolk,
postponed till Friday. •'
The Order for hearing Counsel on the London Docks Bill
was discharged. and the Bill read a third time and passed.
'File Embezzlement Bill was, on the motion of the Mai quis
of LANSDOWNE, read a third time.; and passed Mitls'an
Amendment. ' ,
The Scots Courts Regulation Bill, was, an the motion of
Lord Viscount 'MELVILLE, reatfli second time, and com-
mitted for Titesday, for which day the Lords wete 'ordered
to be summoned.
Soar observations were made by Earl ST4NHOF,E upon
the taint Report of the toinmissitioers tinder the Scots Jude-
tature Act, to they that there was •ibuc,h contradiction and
inconsistency in it ; and as there appeared to be agrent dif-
ference of opinion amongst the Commithioners as to kite ex-
pediency of introducing the Trial by JiirY iitifll.Ch.4s l'old
scollaiia, his Lordship moved thlit the Coinnsissinaerr shituld
give their opinions in detai I 11:.olf thissubjeer c put aftet sonic
obiervatlotts Nom the Earl of Liverpool and tkie.Lcitill Chad;
rellor, he agreed' to withdraw his 'motion, and gave notice of
it for Friday.
• The second reading of the Stamp Dudes Surplus Appro-
priatiVii Bill skai Axed for Friday. ~. t

CRIMINAL L.AW,
Lord ELLEN BORO LIGE adverted to the Bill
for repealing (he Act 9f William in. relative to
privately fenling in shojis, warehouseii, &c. to the
saiuu of ss: and upwards, so far ai relates to the
punishment of death fin: that offence ; and inti.
mated his inteltimi' Of Moving to postpone the se-
cond reading for three moOths. His Lordship ex-
presied himself tiecidedlx hostile to the propositi
alteration; and argued, that the terror of the pu.;
nislonent of death, although it might not be in.
Meted, operated more effectually to the prevention
crimes than the certainty of a lesser punish.
merit; The ineipedjeney of taking w 97 the 'On,
nisliment of deith'was, he •e'onieutted, proved by
what had occurred since the Act passed last Ses.
Mon, taking away that punishment froni privily
stealing from the perioti, 4.1;16 offence had, since
the passinf. Of the Act, enormously increased. 'All
the Judges, his Lordship stated) were of a similar
opinion.

Lord 9SKINE shortly supported the Bill,
exiiressing is regret in differiog with his Noble
and Learned Friend. He %fits; howeyer of opi.
Mon, that a certain fixed piniishinentl d a lowei
denomination, would more effectually operate to
the prevention of the species of offence mentioned
in this 13111, than any terror arising from the*Pu.
nishment of death, which was never inflicted.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL Ohieried, that,
however sanguinary, in theory, the crirniphl law
of this country might be, the fact was, that
there was no country in which it was milder in
pcactice. He objected therefore
, to introducing el
new system, of which he was aware this Bill wail
a part. Ile objected also to this Hi!l in '
particular,
that this offence had 'of late much increased; and
he did not think that the lesser punishment now
proposed would operate so effectually to its pre-
vention as the poWer of inflicting the punishment
of death ; aed it should be'recollected that where
death was the punishment enforced by fan, mercy
could always tse eitended ; but if a teaser puillsh.
ment was imposed by law, the taw could not be
extended by the Judge, howevei wanted the,
Case.
Lord HOLLAND contended, that the terror
of 'the punishment of 'death did holt operate in thii
case as stated by' hie Noble and Learned friend
(Lord Ellenborough) ; that, on the* contrary;
the ',epos of the offender cling to theuaceilitinty,:
and held out to him the sanguine ofpeetatioa of
being one amongit the many %slip escaped.. Thai;
it the sentence was mitigated to tragsportatirin for
seven year's, it was reckoned an escape, whilst, if
that punishment was inflicted in the first instance,
and with' certainty, it Would hake a much greater
effect in preventing the conunisefon of this offence
from its being the highest punisfurient intliet6d by •
the law, than now when it war considered as get.
ling oil from the higher puoishinent. •
The Earl of LAUDERDALE Supported the
t.
Bill upoe similar 'grounds.
Thu Hari of SUFFOLK mentioned gn instance
in Which he was nut dispoled'to prosechte on ae.
count of the severgy of the punishmept.
The LORD CHANCELLOR supported the
argriMents Ot. Lord -Ellenborough, against the
Bill, and contended that it Was most expedient to
have a Piinishment stilted to the greatest aggrava.
Lion of the offence, whirl could be mitigated" 'by
the Judger of in the hist resort by the'Crown, so
as to be apportioned to the vatious degrees of
guilt.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE contended
that the question now was; whether 'their Lard.
ships would sanction an instuvation which had ea.
isted for the last h'u 'years,-having aricen out of the
change of public opinion, and by which the
practice of the law in this lestance was set Com.
idetely at variance with the litter 67 it, the
nishment of death never being inflicted for this of..
fence ; or whether they would place the piactice
and the letter of the law upon the same tontine,
by, a lesser punishment more consonant to the
change which had taken place phblic opinion.
He thought there via nu nwcessifyin this case to
have the higher punishmeot to meet the aggravated
°lien* as this weis 46 offence in which there
'could scarcely be anysigravation.
Lota ELLENBOROUGIT maintained his for.
mer argument, and "Oimiefreed that there might be a
conqerable aggravation eien of this offence by
UICAUS of contrivance and cosnbieation.

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The gaiseilivided on the goestioai that the BM •
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VOTE OF CREDIT.—SPANISH
The Eall'of LI V EAPP4O3OnOte4I the Qrdet of,
the Day'fipc caking intO, cotis.idecotkon his 11(oAes-
ty'i litessiges 4114 obOyrett that, 'ajthongh it was
usual upon a Message of this nature to ttisctos'in,
some respects the,stocc of the VitiAstry, yet as no:
tioe had:been given of a motion which woold in.
'Oise tht disCussi%on, he did not thinkVit neriisary
ndw to take ti? Sheir L'orttships' time, particular.ly as the Addreso'whiCli be kntetided to alley() was
genCroll and contained no spesiAc pledge. ,
Lordship ciinciikded bj tnosingaa Aldfese Or eon.
currence.

t.ord HOLLAND, was tiesirous of calling tbe
attention. of Ministitis to orte point; iihiclk
to the Spanish dominionsin.South 4mecien. Soled
persons had speculated 'lion an attempt.to sever
those dominioos from the mother 'country, but he
could not but Ihtink such in attempt would be in
every point of yew highly inexpedient. ile.wai
Of opinion, on the contrary, that Alajesty',l;
Ministers ought to use every means to induce the
Spanish 'GOvernmetkt. to carry into e'ect the mea.
sures'adoPted ttY the holster. giving to Alms Co.
ttlnies all the'privlleggi of tbis-Eurespaso troVbiesiv.
of Span.
Lord MELVILLE was not soiirli of 111.0
of the nrosure's to dithich the Nobinterd basket:
luded, 114 wished to reserve
thee opPOrtuilltt. - •
tiord'IIOLCAND stated, that the evitesn*, e.
hat alluded to consisted of two Pitereeiof the
Junta, by which the Spanish colonies'lere to have
all the same privileges as the' F.tiroßetn proTinCes
of Spain, and the same riilkt se Preiessiation in
•
the COites.
East GREY. obsesved, that the A.ddress did not
mention any Allies to -whom assistauee Was to be
given. He wished to have some inforMation upon
that point, and tvlso as to the iimount of the rote
of; credit. flt► trusted ilAti 'scot voted Woil4 net
tie waited in'expeilftitins sacb is those whiCh bad
provetild disastrous to the country.
•Ithe tail of LIVERPOOL stated that the
amount was 3,000,0001. A embed been already
voted for Portugal, and that* were alObtlier Mies
with respect to whom 'there eiiiteiriai specific
plmtge ; but it would or course be 41: to render
assiOratiee wherever -it coeid advantageously
done. As to Spanish 4meriga; iiisses a sn.bleol
of too much delicacy to dilate upon now ; but
it had engaged the attention of Miniateri, and'he
trusted that their determination upon the subject
Wald Irtlye satisfactory to the House and to the
pub ic.
The Earl of SUFFOLIL made a tem' olnerira.
tions respecting Sicily. •,
Lord .HOLLANtI asktd; *Weer Sicily was
incthded in the vote of credit ?
• .Thii Earl or LIVERPOOL answer"! In the
negative, there baying. •
been nitecO Vs TO!04,
for Small •
The dress was agreed ta, and:oidersd to isF
preiente tO his Mlijesty by the Lards with White
Staves. .
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Adjourned till Friday.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. Yorke took the Oaths and his Seat..
Mr. ill ARR Y ATT presented is Petition from certain Un-
derwriters in Loudon,- against the tailplanes Bill, Which was'
ordered to lie nu theiable. •• • I- •

The Navigable Rites' Bill was read a third time,
per, • a•
REFORM IN P!RLIAMENT.
Mr. MiLEN (we believe) itresented a Petition from the
Isltabitahts of the town of Beriiick-rpon-TwCedi. corn-
iug'af recent exerdise of Privilege on the part of the nun,
and ilmYing for &Herons in Parlianind.. Ordered to Woo
the. table. • • •
Mr. JOHN SMITE! presented a petition front the Coun-
ty and Town'Of Nottingham, trkstillg-for a. Retort% in the
plate of the Representation:. 'skied to lie on the table.
The poor House Badge Abolitinu, the Bastard, and the
Black Game Protection Rills, severally passed through the
Committee, !aid ' theie'Reports were ordered to be received
to-morrovi. ••
MAJOR CARTWRIGHT.
Mr. WHITBREAD presented a 'Petition from Major
Cartwright: • !legated that in' the former Petlitba
sages 4erethought objectionable. Of these the one had been
altered, and the other the Petitioner did not mean to Ligil2!
The petitlion was theq brobehr up, dnd tile altered p
'CIO: It began by statiag, that "mithotigh Rivas not-Zil;
the limits of the hu!nanthogimge to accommodate itself equal-
ly "to ail parties 'ilpod the sume subject, yet that Petitioner
Conceived that it Could lot tie objected to him, his having
thought that; lastiFe wattabligatorynaid not optional," 11
proceeded in the nest page to censure as a flagrant illega-
lity add outrage upon the ltherty of the subject, the 'forCiblit
entry made by an Oflieer of that Honoarattle Home Into the
premises 'of Sir 'Francis Burdett, Bart. The. Petition was
teen ordered to lie "oo the table..
The Judge'Advocate's Postage, the Irish Malt Regulation,
the British Fisheries Oromotioa, and the Flax Bddaty
were severally read a thirdnme and passed. •
REPEAL OF IRISH INkiItRF.CTION AND IRISH
. • Mind PRBVIINTION BILLS. •
Mr. W. P 01.4 rise to 'novo goVilie I:Impelsl of,
the Irish Insurrection 'and Aral, 4.cts, passed iM
the year Iso7. He stated that they were thin
enacted in furtherance ti( such an intention on the
part of the administration that preceded the change
'of Goferntlienfirrthat year. He had tnidersteidt
that the 'tithe of Bedford had declined the Vials
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.Golveritment, tiniest these laws had bean 'tweeted,.
-
cuusitlering 'thetnas essential to the Maintenance of
tranquillity in Ireland. He (Mt. role) benefit'
the siivatit:n 'id Ireland, at 'alit titati,,to 4t e. been'
such`as 'to have j'ustified the necessity "; Inch a
measure. It was, hoirefe,' but a tormaitlnSw.
(is., fur it had never beeri-callet. into 'settle* Ipl
,
any onp instance, during the idminiitratiOn 440
ggC the Duke -cif Bedford
mend, .such a tetidcrr
for.the liberty of the
same time, apprehenal..,
propoied repeals,' fruity'
Manlier. for Ireland, fib,
in enacting the repeal,- 11
dent* gat. He, of •
not Kelp admitting that
and loyal then io'rebind
stip'would hegoini too
the ithproveinent in
'clod, however nee'tisar)
'been, had by toil time snperseded the necessity of
them. HO'said; that he wiiraitious, as the peo-
ple grew'more civilited, he extent to thole alt the
liberty that they cook!, coosistent with the safety

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. . itself. le thee.. cooeloded, with mov.
lurg fi• rar &ale In brio its tills' to: shish, sod
••tittitlald,AOfs. • ..'l " ~tt' •4 4. ‘I.,
Mr. listiNCHlNSOpir said, be .00ebi; neat treitill
'expressing'' his thanks ttik the flonotirabloCaensie:.
[MN sit/d to the Maisie Duke at the heid'24 the
rise qovernrgeelt,' ft'ir proposing the. repeal '0( •
eke two sob's in' question. It was lii merely on
af.eount of, 'the practical gncet effects 'restating
to the people of ' Ireland from sucha meesure, nit
Of the conciliating spirt it evinced' upon the par
or the Irish Qovernosiot. Ili ties not so much on'
account of the good. it Vouitt do', ei 'to the 'pritici.
ple upon, libich, that goedi'vrould be dune. ' He
erkaiced that his country was beginning to 'be bet.
ter uncterstotid;" It was not oppressive statutes,
or ishmiliating exemptiona&Om the benefits At. thd
constitution, that could strengthen the Irish' Go,
*ernineut-.:-let it bo taught to repose upon "the'
confidence of the people, and it would repose io , •
security--this was She firmest basis' bitoo which( -
an, gorarnitient cutikk.reit, and ' therefore was it
that he hailed the prettent prepotltion as a *good ' •
omen for lireland. It was mach a Kinn:epic that •
lipid made this e ountrx strong, and Which i( tie.
tendecrmust male her stronger; in the Obrdlil an.
operations' of 4.' people as sincere as thii. were
brave, and whose COnstanetr'rio itysteni of suffer, .
Inge lied beet:l.'ole to shake. 'lie rejoiced; thee.
it was 'no longer thougliN 111istAkien policy, to •
semi Mach a lieopte with the same camitiur and li:
inichlity, that constituted the leading featqes of
their national. character.. Ha' hid 'net beef; pre.
sent .brit thine.bills ;lied' tieenprupoed ; if tui
d; he should have felt it his duty to have re.
ihited there altogether, as unjust in principle, and
most severe It operation. ' it ' '
Mr. PoNsoNay vindicated the Administra.
,tration of the, Duke of Bedford, •and deeded that
that Noble Personage had ever required the pasti
ing of the acts in question. He addedt -that
there hail 'been no mighty effort at reform is t'he
propoLiyon of the Honoursiale Gentleman, skittle
Bill; in question %otiltl have eapireal thac.Sea.
slims. '
' Mc. WiA.URiCE FITZGEIiALD stated, Oa!
he she hati been absent at the tints of their it4l-,
dal enactment, and that had:he twain the Hags"
he would have opposed then;. • ' .
Sir JOILI ZIEWINAT deferred tie. observe.
tions he Orent to make Mots the 'Bali, till they
iltsrt Wrought' let° the House. At the erne time
he heartily concurred in the principle of, spy
proposition which went to give the people of 4ecit
41 a fail:tint; candid triat. ' • .
,he motion ;vas then agreed tel.
he Min. Mr; Peif,g, brought, In the tefo
Bills, whiCh were severally rcipl. g first.and secotid
tinsel and tries* fQ bg ecohloltted fee f ditto,'
pot.
Mr. mtrtiataz ziTzp-Eg4p moved rpc.
Navel* bring in a kill t' .0 eogouragieg thi. Tim
bee Plantatiencin frelaell% Qr4eind- . •
Mr. FOSTER obtained. limye to being in a aili
for congvpifig certain,Agreements Met betweetl
'the /lords VOMlPiasionors of the Irisit: Treasury,
and Witiletiii of o.oo4;(44oausomiaiwtire
`ake 6iaiii7 Wines imported into [41414 ' , • .
. ' §ii J. lityrrtißT 040 d. himself' itl • oppole
the cOttfirining e'nyf pant of the said. egireenwnt;
that Went to militate against ihattia*Wille Vivi.
jegeil of the City of, Wgreiford:!..: •".• .. '
IRISH •TlVl)6l3it. . -i. .. • • - • •
Mr. FOSTP.4, the Ifieese'hilieg .;slip Info 44
.Committee of Ways aqd Alettoi, rose to move the
Ways.and Means towards raising the supply r
Ireiand fqr the current year. He begot by static
the stile of the Einances as thty stood at the be
ginnintof 'the yeas. The!' centalidated 'Fund of
Ireland in January lett emouuted to 4,345,0gq1;
The balance for the init.' year amounted to
4.04,0001. ; tho,two,reveoteenths upon the joint •
charge.for Great Qritaie and Ireland, Ire retell es
amounting to 6, toti,ooqi. The surpitiS of 'the
'constilidated rued fer the present year aineueteti
to, I,4iii,Qqol. of which the Illita epplicable to the
service of the present year amounted to 411,00.0.
The interest upon the Dobt and'Sinitieg Fund, he
*elated ee3,974,90Q1. The 'quota to •be paid by
Ireland amounted to 6,64,90 i, trialaetirrener,
br 4,14(1,0001, gogilsh tnettey. The Treasury
Bills he stated as amounting tq 541,00.01. Irit.k-
currency, or 500,00Q1. English. These, to4ether
taken, made a Fi! pply Itnlotintilig td i1,t2D,00(4):
T 0 answer this,' he net came to state to the Com_
naittee the Ways end Means whereby lig'prepor,ed
Traise thip Supply,' *hick were es follows
he Revenge or Ireland fur the preseet year
amounted to the stm of 0,000,90Q1. ; Oil 40
stated to be more than the revenge of last year by
half a million, the Distilieries having fallen to
that amount; which defiriency bad, howeyer, its
some measure, been supplied by the Retie; upon
tie tinswifiatipn of Forei&CNpirits daring that pe:
✓ia;',There were then two loans, the one amount. ,
let to 4;333;(1P01: tile other 1,40Q,(401. ; addict;
tii tAtae..losanatite,Reveoue of Ireland for the pro.
''Sent years as stated. at.4,Q00,00Q1. they, together
with (he other items, triadeba4otal efII,IIIQIO9Q4
'from whit's. sum;' if the §upply eprirecl be de•
iducted, there contained ;en semis of Ways and
Mesita ;moon thig to 31,0001. Ile gegtprciee4e4
tO'State theWew T4ea, which would pu Apprq..
priated solely to paying Qft the interest of the
llept. ifs was happy to be aulable4 to atatellhat
ifkexeipte; etthiDebt was lesa'by'SCO,oool,. (bad
Oehler...so of the•lncer-, vim Sia#oll fltni;
Which vies at first.bq else, hoodredth• pact al the
Debt,' was irw, its one 'irregli.fitat part 'of' it ;' .
ppd there weeld), go pitfetided Debt, spec s44a
:ef. the tI4001.1,q0 tlitsTrtuury,lVis, wick ro,
speci waif, Eipptill ...,4011:nporfli he abated the!
thei had out. fir_tnneitle though he aprlrt4 the,
III& Kit is said. ;Elie tilttiesAus Itinteits had ileo•
crelifaaofid4l.;.ll4l; however, 4ad been made
illf linjaCreaie ./ i' tier arPch..
. . The tiettrte
9t7plideslitd Skins §aci'dgceeiled, and elso W. 140
fit! Tarn but 14de:create of the 'askew 'do. .
i : '43othPie artales ebeied di lecieotpurthe 04.
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L. ficitire of 04 tor Itlittertei et home. With re:.
It l
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sport tq.che import%) there. woulci be Neat, to be .
Oaf increase 011, the imports of.rair ' material, or .
Britilfi sloottstore, so .th'st where the Mole use. • . •
nufactutawatenit bencifitud by the knpes of thp
taw material, the empire was beaefood by the U.

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NH of: ;he Puktl'Or /VA.;,
mess kikthero •beekalid',
)''subject at' 'the
ira of soaie.tipiiytitm to the
'oar' the coatittt'llentlembh.,l
tho Wore of oploocifilt
hey wete etmeng
f his own k. inowroo,:c9loo
Wit there' ware, math MP)*
;n4 kr, Anho.titoughttthatite a;
too fort; but lielbootht tbat,
iineisqhot 0.1
try sut? rills rtiltht then heti,
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