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tf st he was enconraged to take the step which he row
d• 11t toniddered ti iit these two parties, although
y utirtit limo foul themselves exactly able to agree.
mtgbt su fir approach !o milt other that the subsequent
Interptiaition of Parliament might prevail on them to
think !he ;wench, if not eiltirelicio,e,l, was still capable
of being so. Such was the state ut the business at the
present period, and it was natural it should he so : fur
they wonhi are that agents could not concede quite so
hr, for fear of misconstruction of their motives, as that
House. slamming in the position ot r thint party, could
9i.t. The Howie, in truth, could go farther in its ad-
vaeces towards a reconciliation than either of the par-
tici' tiventselves. In continuation of his detail of the
koprse the proceedings hail hitherto taken, he hail to
areal t • their recollection. that he had bail the great
niieorttine of seeing the cotifereneea schich had taken
plate closed without an funk:able termination. 1!Ite,
neon a carefol re% iew of the papers containing the sub-
st::nce of the negotiations, he most sac, that so tar from
tits :mope bring extinguished, it was confirmed as to the
possiliolity of an arrangement being thially adopted. I
cottsiderlng what course of motteeding esteemd the hest
hope of potting as end to the unhappy tiff. rends
preceded. two 'modes had suggested themselves. The
ft'at. which. he confessed, he had been willing to adopt,
was that of eittleavouring to prevail upon the House to
agree to some Address, to recommend a recurrence to
arbitration. Rut. upon a nearer view, it did appear to
him that there were such insuperable objections, on thepart of the Moose. that he would not he able to carry this
into effect; and that even after carryitur it into effect, the
ditfictities of accomplishment would be too numerous to be
attrition u red. That proposition, t herefore, had given way to
another, it h'cit, after mature reflection, under all circiiin-
atanees, hi: bad concluded was the preferable one fur
iploption. He ought to take this opportunity ofexplain-
ing to the Hool'e that the delay which had occurred in
bas bringing forward this motion was owing to his hat-
log received a communication from her Majesty which
had required his ut t consideration, and a change in
the plan of his proceedings. Ile should say nothing
more on this point, further than that lie had receireml a
se•totel commit Mcation explanatory of the first. lie dared
riot say that these documents in themselves held out any
hopes that her Majesty would acquiesce in the views he
ertertained. Has ing since had an oppoi 'unity urstai lug
to her Majeaty the motives by which he was admitted,
he frond that her Majesty had nu other knowledge of
hi. • intended motion than what bad been collected trout
general report. The measure which he had afterwards
Lone to the conclusion of adopting was, that df moving
t!tait a resolution be passed. the object of which was,
earrestly ta express a hope that her Majesty, now that
tfma material differences seemed to be so nearly done
away, might Le prevailed upon, under all circumstances,
v.t waive the only remaining differences on grounds wh;cb
lie should state 'ashen he came to the motion itself. It
could he remembered, that the ultimate difference be-
tween the King's Servants and the Law Officers of the
Queen, related to two points, tie. the causing her Mt-
je,tv to be acknowledged publicly as Queen of Eng-
latol foreign Courts, and the restoration of her Ma-
jeatv's name in the Liturgy.—(Hear!)—lle st.ishcd it to be
uticferstood, that it was tit one part of these papers sir-
tually acknowledged, that the objection to giving
r Majesty a full introduction to one of the foreign
Gelds abroad, although there were almost iesuper•
aide objections to it, could nevertheless be got over.
Here the lion. Gentleman read that passage in the corres-
p.m./ewe, where It was suggested• that. in the foreign
country ha witch her Majesty might fix her future residence,
.sue should be received al the Court of that country at the
defile..of the British Atehlssador residing. there. This uaa
at first ohjected to, en the grouud that the British Govern-
ment had no right to preseribe• to any foreign Prince the
course which he should choose to pursue under such circum-
stances: and the ditilculty was not got rid of. The next
Fact required was, the restoration of the Queen's name to
tae Liturgy. For his own part, lifter haring given the fall-
ow consideration to this point, he did mit abscribe so much
importance to it as be had at Brat been inclined to do. It
did not strike him as applying to any religious view of the
...jeet. According to the mode of conducting the worship
Lt the Church in this rouistry, when men met to do honour to
Him, to whom all honour was due, all distinctions of per-
soes were done awes. Our system of worship diffused a
eniversal feeling of piety with regard to others, and put all
d •seriptions of people on one common level. This was the
sertiment of many persons with whom he bad talked on the
; and must it not be evident to every body. that
when prayers were offered up fur the King and all the Royal
Family, the Queen, as one of that Royal Family, was
prayed for?—(Loud cries officer, hear! and some murmurs
ut disapprobation.)—Had any Gentleman, he would ask,
ever heard of the Royal Family without thinking of the
ihreent—(More expressions of dissent.)—lt certainly was
i-mal sometimes to express by name particular individuals
u' the Royal Family in prayers of the Church; it was usual
to name, among others, the Heir Apparent to the Crown.
Pet in the present Church Hen ice this rule was not adhered
to ; fur the name of the Duke of York, who stood next to
the Crown, was not mentioned.—(Clear, hear!)—His mean-
and be wished particularly to impress it on the House,
seas, that, considering this question in a religions point of
view, the Queen was not excluded, by the omission of her
esme, from the prayers of the congregation. The point wig
nut specified as a thing that was to Ile considered or acted
upon, until it came to be debated In the conferences lately
hell respecting her Majesty. Therefore his mind was ins-
prrlsed with a full persuasion, that this point respecting the
Liturgy had not been considered as a religious question. nor
ass thing of such great importance as was ascribed to R.
his would he shown in a passage In the papers then before
the House, from which it appeared that his Majesty's ser-
vants who FAA held the conferences, had not been apprized
of any demand respecting the restoration of the Queen's
name to the Liturgy ; for the Duke of iVellington and Lord
Castlereagh, when the question was urged to them by the
legal advisors of her Majesty, said they would report it to
he Cabinet.—(here the Honourable Member read from the
heat Protool of the conferences which were published in
Tea Sravesuan of 'Wednesday last, the passage relating
to this sebjeetd—The La* Officers of her Majesty thee
esket-tulnktner, .16 • the- event of the proposition respect-
ing the Liturgy not being adopted, any other proceeding
could be suggested on the part of her Majesty's Government
which might render her Majesty's residence abroad oinsis-
tent with the recognition of bar rights, and the vindication
her character. This proposition also went to show, that
the question of the Liturgy was not considered in a religious
point of view. Iler Majesty's legal advisers asked whether
some mode might not be adopted to serve as sn equiralert
for the omission of her name in the Liturgy ; and spoke of
her ofileial Introduction atForeign Courts, which they were
'relined to consider as a good equivalent.—(Hear, hear !)
Tall also went clearly to show, that the question was mot
considered as a religious one. The subject was mcationed
a woad time with a view that something might be devised
as an equivalent. It was, therefore, a great relief to his
mind, Oust the question had not been pressed by her Ma-
jerity's advisers, on any religious principle. He was
realty to grant that it was not altogether respectful to
her 34ajesty to omit her name ; but lie thought anal an
amicable a4natment might be made as would be com
sistent with her Majesty's honour, even. if the omission
still coatintred. His utmost desire was. to avoid that fa-
tal peon hag.—(Laughter. and cries of bear, hear!)-i-
This was a subject of too gasve and serious a nature for
rnerridneet. He was sure they must at'. feel as he did on
this melancholy subject ; and no one should misconstrue
the phrase he had used, for be declared, that while there
- smile upon his lip% there was a peas at his Wort.
Negotiation which had given
. When it was reputed by
that she genii receive are.
what greater recognition, l
amaraaces tram Parliament
shrinking from any inquiry.

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hut was, in the opinion of Parliament, ready to meet
every thing that might be laid to her charge. He wool
pit then to Honourable Gentlemen, who were the le-
gal Advisers of her Majesty, whether this was not the
very curt of equivalent which they were in search of,
and a liteher it remits' not answer every purpose that
might be desired. With regard to the Liturgy, lie would
again repeat, that the restoration of her Majesty's
nine to it was not considered as a matter of any im-
portance. The omission of the name could not be
supposed to have any effect upon her llajesty abroad;
because our Liturgy was as little known in foreign
countries du the continent of Europe, as it was in China
or Japan. de should now, then, come to what he bad
to propose. The chief point to which he should draw
the eonsideration of the House was, whether the Queen
would not go forth without any stigma on her character,
after she had yielded to the wishes and authority of Par-
liament ? Whether, after having alone so, and receiving
the recognition of Parliament, all imputations against
her would not be removed i The dignity of monarchy
would always be the greater, in proportion as it wished
to conform to the wishes and feelings of the Parliament.
Anil he was sure that the Queen had enough of English
feeling about her to induce her to act in this way. He
begged, then, that lie might be allowed to express his
anxious hope that the House would well weigh this queer
tiara, and take such a course of proceeding as might lead
to an amicable adjustment of all the ntoloiippy differences
n hich now prevailed among the Royal Personages; nal
if the recommendation of the House should be attended
to, oh: tt hat a benefit would accrue to the nation! If
such an adjustment were to take elect., he should himself
be the happiest of men, in thinkieg that he lard been the
humble instrument in effecting so great and ativantageons
a purpose. Ile begged of the ilouse to consider the
choice of evils u hid' was before it—he begged of Iletitle-
men to compare the rood whir' moist arise from adopting
the course then recommended by him, with the incal-
culable ev that must 1...1:en' front the adoption of any
other course. His Hrov•tiraloie and Learned Friend had,
011 former evenime, pointed out all those evils, in that
able and eloquent manner which so peculiarly belonged
to him, anal therefore he should toot enter into the par
titulars of at hat might be stated in the course of a la-
mentable inquiry, from the very idea of whirl' he must
tern attay at ith &retie. Hr begged of Gentlemen to
con-ider what must he the situation of the parties, in
ease his proposition was now acceded to, and an ami-
cable adiustinent were the consequence, anal ti hat their
situation must he if his recommendation were rejected.
In the tirst, the Queen would gain many inieiitaint ad-
vantages. The courage and tesiolntion displ eyed by
her 3lnjeAr in resols tug to face her accusers' would
v•and 'uglily in her favour. When it nimbi be re-
collected that her blajemy had mateirstril such resells-
tiim as this, the supposition would he :bat she land done
so from a consciousness of her innoceme. lie there-
fore again called on Gentlemen to censi.lcr what must
the situation in a; hick the king and the Wren—that the
itouse—end. above all. the country—would be placed. If It
• became meet's:try to enter into the inquiry. Should the pre-
• r.-ot motion he rejected, he '•oped it would Itereefter be re-
metnhered by those when' it might muse nearly cuoicera,
that there oils a lime alien. b% earning this motion, an
opening would hate been tti•!,*, by which in amicable or- 1,
meet-went might have been raveled, as be conceived, with,
out in any way degrading loci Majesty or any tither party—
when an accommodation mirld have been brought about by
giving up her u terlings to wadedprsed wish of the House
of Commons. Ile felt per, that the crease which
he was about to recommend to the House to pursue. was
that which it would become them to take, and that the task
which he would assign to them was, that which could only
he Imposter' on a dignifltd and important body—Zit,
highest that they could be required to tale upon the
as It called on them to act as a mediator between two piss
snuages of such rehelted rank. He hoped the propudtlon.
with which he was about to conclude, would meet with their
appruhatioe. If he should hu so unfortunate as to Nit Ms
consolation *Auld be, that he had done all In his power to
effect a termination of the existing differs-sees in the Royal
Family. by again calling on tire !louse to consider in the
same spirit, which had been manifested iu every port of tire
tete conferenees, to avoid if possible. the necessity of en-
tering Into that inquiry, the evils of which could never be
over estimated, and which must be productive of the most
injurious consequences to all parties cooterned.in them, iss
well as to the empire at large. Ile concluded by muting a
resolution to the following effect:—" That that (louse bad
learnt with unfeigned and deep regret, that the late endea-
vours to frame ass amicable nrrangemeut with a y ire to avert
the necessity of instituting an inquiry into the information laid
before the two ;lenses of Parliament, had not led to an adjust-
ment of the differences now tinhappily existing In the Royal
Family. so ansiously desired by that Houseand by time coun-
try. That that House was fully sensible of the dlinculty
which her Majesty might justly feel in taking upon herself to
relinquish any point In which her own dignity and honour
were involved, yet, feeling the inestimable import vice of
effecting an amicable and final adjoistinent of the differences
all., led to, could not but be of opinion; alien such large ad-
rnucus been made tuwnrds meeting the wishes of the
Queen, that her Majesty, by yielding to the earnestly-ew-
prersed wishes of the House, and forbearing to press those
points on which there was most difficulty in coming to an
arrangement. would not be understood to du any thing that
could meek a wish, on her rival' account, to avoid an In-
quiry into her conduct, but would only give a new proof of
her readiness to submit to the decision of Parliament, there-
by entitling herself to tke gratitude of that House, by sparing
them the painful necessity of instituting proceedings, and of
entertaining discussions which, whatever might be their
result, could not be other than distressing to the feelings of
her Majesty, di.reppointing to the hopes of Parliament, de-
rogatory to the dignity of the Crown, and in;:uriuus to the
best interests of the empire."—(Hear. hear, hear !)—He
would add one word more. He could almost wish, for the
first time• that the eloquence of the lion. Gentleman sear
Niue were this night to be exerted :ether in his character as
a Member of Parliament than in that of an advocate for tbe
Queen ; for. In the latter character, be feared that he might
consider it to he his duty to fled objections to the mem
mks* are (Mr. Wilberforce) had rico/mended, that he would
Pet sack.toaliscatrr in Use honker cepeetty. Ili±hopedfllu
Hon. and Learned Gentleman would dismiss any feeling like
that which he had supposed lie might have, and that he, re-
membering that the honour of her Majesty was connected (es
he hoped, inseparably) with the honour and interest of this
country, would feel that her honour could not be better sus-
tained, and her interests better consulted, than by yieldhig
to the wishes of that House.
Mr. S. Won i Lev thought the !louse and the country
could not desire a better pledge than they bed in the
character of the lion. Uetitlenian who had brought
that question before the House, that it was dictated bi
a sincere desire to heal the differences known to exist
in the Royal Family, and bad nothing to do with
party. If the present motion were rejected, he could
not see that any course was-left open for them but the
inquiry ; and, for months to come, the country would
be plunged into a state of agitation whicleevery friend
to it must sincerely deplore...--(Hear o—He concluded
with seconding and giving his hearty concurrence to
the motion.

Mr. BROVOUAN said, be rose thus early in the de-
late, on account of an indisposition under which he
laboured, and which might prevent him from deliver-
' ing his sentiments at a later• boor. He shueld *advs.
' your to express himself on this important question
with candour, with a sincere respect far his Honour-
able Frio ad, end in concurrence With what he con-
ceived to be the feelings of the coinstry. • He would
now call the attention of t►e•Hamar to the milt of the
late segociations, and the stplbsterate failure that bad
taken place. But although they had failed, he would

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,glare it` as his opinion, that in the course of these
negociations not a little had been pitied for her 3la-
jestv. For the only basis on which the Queen would
consent to treat, was that of being fully acknowledged
in her high rank and title, and this basis, although at
first refused, was now fully acknowledged. The only
point in which she was always inflexible, that witieb
admitted of no alternative, and for which she looked up.
to no equivalent, was an unqnalitied recognition of bet
rights and privileges as Queen of England ; and that
recognition was granted before ever the conferences
were opened. Ile should notice another material
point which had been gained by her Majesty. Without
attempting to impute blame to any body, he must say,
that the Queen, ins her arrival lately in this country,
was nut treated in any way with that respect which
was due to her exalted rank. But since the cons-
niencentent of the negociations, a very different treat-
ment was proposed to be observed towards her; for,
instead of being allowed to travel in a common packet,
all the pomp, pride, anal circumstance, which nsually
attended the voyages of the highest 1:oyal Personages,
were now offered to her. in vase of her departing from
the country. Some persons might say that he over-
rated' those advantages; but these little things were
of considerable moment ; indeed they were of as 4nnels
value as the omission of them would be a mark of de-
gradation. •In this instance, therefore, a material
point h..d been gained. There was another circum-
stance, however, where nu small ads antage was gained.
If the Queen was not to be recognized at foreign
Courts, something very nearly approaching to such re-
cognition was conceded to her. In whatever country
she should reside on the Continent, she was to be an-
nounced to the Court of that country by the repre-
sentative of the Sovereign, as Queen of England, and
there to be treated as such. And last of all, there
was a further proceeding., which he did not consider
as immaterial. That was the consent given, that ad-
dresses should be presented to the King and Queen by
both Houses of Parliament ; that these addresses should
be presented to them together. Now let any one re-
collect, that about four months back, nu Ilentlemats eel
the 31inisterial side of that House could venture be
mention the name of the Queen ; that some, in their
allusions to her, called her " the Distinguished Per-
sonage;" and others the " High Lady;" and that
there was every kind of circumlocution anal studied
periphrasis. to avoid the mention of a title whirls was
fully admitted during the late conferences. Now, be-
sides the recognition of the title. she was to have ships'
of war to attend her; she was to be announced in fo-
reign Courts ; and to receive addresses from both Honses
of Parliament. He would ask then, if it were nothing
to have gained ? However the Queen's advisers might
have resolved to proceed upon the inquiry, and to open
the green bag,•he would ask whether it behoved Parlia-
ment to sanction the Queen's resistance, until a step
further was granted. It had been said, that the ques-
tion of the Liturgy was not so much a sine quo non, as
a thing that ought not to be contended for. He could
at otter supersede the necessity of this argument. Thai
Liturgy certainly was not so far a *lse ?are mom, as not to'
admit of an equivalent. Her Majesty required such a
basis as should support her honour and her dignity.
When the question of residence cave to be discussed,
lit the late conkrencet, it was considered, that, frees
inetimea of convenience to tee Amen herself, and
from the inconvenience 'which world arise if two
Separate Courts were held in this country, it
nught be more agreeable to her Majesty's wishes,
and more conducive to her personal comforts to p
abroad. The question then was, whether ench departure
from the country would not be liable to
.great miaow
struction, while charges were still hanging over bit
31ajesty, without being rebutted ; and whether so -
thing was not to be done, in order to prevent such nil*
construction of her Majesty's conduct. Her legal ad-
visers, therefore, in ortkr to settle this matter first, t
quired that her name should be restored to the Liturgy.
flaying assisted at the negociations, he thought it neves.
aary to state this fact. From what he was in the habit
of notiring in various places—from what lie could col-
lect to be the sense of that House, and from the overwhelm.
lug majority which was known to exist in favour of the
Queen among the people out of doors, lie was sure that the
restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy would.
resider the success of a negotiation certain, without the
possibility of any dishonour to her Majesty.—(llear,
hear!)—lie solemnly assured the House, that this very
thing would produee all the effect that could be wished fee,
and he was sure that it was the only remaining
towards an ace's—don. Re placing the imams in the
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Liturgy, every obstacle _ snrmounted. This
was a fact which he had no more hesitation in assert-
ing, than that he was now standing on the floor of that
House. Without meaning to throw any blame against
Ministers, to wbotn he bad been so often opposed in that
House, he must, in common with numbers of others,
express Made" regret at the omission of her Majesty's
name in the Liturgy; but by how much the more the
act ought not to have been done, by so much the more
ease it might now be eindone. It might now be with
evert kind of propriety undone, on the ground that the
doing it was not only impolitic, but Illegal.—(Hear,
hear!)—There was no law in the country nide!' gave a
power to the King to alter the Liturgy by an Order in
Council. The law said, that in all prayers relating to
the Royal Family, the names should be changed from
time to time, and fitted to the present occasion. Nothing
winreirks done than this: that at the demise of one So-
vereign, the name of another was inserted ; and instead
of Queen Charlotte, the words Queen Caroline ought
now to stand in the Liturgy. This, he conceived, to he
sufficient for Parliament, to enable it to get out of the
great difficulty in which it was now placed. It was no
answer to his argument to say, that the Queen was
prayed for along with the other Members of the Royal
Family:—(Hear, bear!)--Whether the exclusion of the
name did or did not exclnde her Majesty from the pray-
ers of the Church, was not the question now to be con-
sidered ; for it did not follow that the King ought to
hive ordered that exclnsion to take place. The real
Cion was, whether the act was not unlawful and no-
titutional. In matters of this kind, every thing woo
a degradation which was contrary to old established
usage. Former Queens of England had always bean
prayed for by name, and to cease thus to pray for a
Queen. could only tend to degrade her in the eyes of this
world. The allusion that been made to the Queen 4
the First, was only an offensive aggravatiam
o.
Ile that had been.elese is the mama kr
sidmee. Friend bad said, that Zig=
payed kft Mow I bat it should be
the Doke York was only heir peesesspOve is tike.
Crown I ski that, as circumstances might wear by alai
helr. cease to be heir presumptive, it would be an
rd thing to pray fec him by name, and after-
s talc* his lame oat al the Liturgy. Bat if his
:rHighness teas heir apparent. the case would bo
eatlMlFiesit. There was se instants, however; of the
gtretf thy Samereiga
having bees struck oat of the
. I% Queen Consort of this kingdom wee in-
elotoalth toy hl and peculiar peeregatisee t she
sajogoll nary privileges above all other noises ; soot

hat was most important for the House to consider, s 4
Ought to he viewed as the stock which the people of
country were to looli up to for the continuance of the
Royal line, and fur the preservation of the line of sue.
cession to the Throne. Ile was not alluding to the"
sent Queen ; lee WO speaking of the Queen of Engiala
generally —(hear, hear:)—and if by any curt of gem,
dation suspicion wore to fall upon a Queen of Eat,
land, the greatest evils might fall on the nation, in east
Of a disputed successor to the Throne. Every pussihi.
protection should, therefore, be afforded to the Qom;
anti every rare should he taltesi that the succession shothi
nut be tainted even by the suspicion of a spurious ogy
pring. Yet, in opposition to those sound constitatioaal
principles, see what the Ministers Itzd done. Theta/
and Queen were living separate; it was possilt:e Get
might come together again; no matter whether tit
Queen was 52 or 22 years of age. While thus separates
an Order in Council. was issued for degrading het, hat
an imputation thrown on her character, which sigh;
bring into dispute the succession to the Throne. 11.
same thing might be doitie with any other Queen; am
every body must see how contrary it was to the fun&
mental principles, and the safety of our Constitution.
,Ministers, then. were the ant hors of this act, he cal:ed epos
I hem to undo it.—(Hear!)—Let the concession tha!:-.0
now required come from them ; it would be no more t!,,s
making an atonement for their error. The Queen coati
nut accede to any thing until this concessim was' M.:
Made; for if she did, she was degraded every fttreici.:
E
every church in ngland. Ile rareil not whetlte
reign countries knew this omission in onefaitergy
gK
not ; it was sufficient that the injury was known ali ore
this kingdom. He sbonld now show how highly die
prayers of the Chervil were formerly rained by oar as.
vectors: he would go back to the clitAuk to
explain this fact, and then it would appntr how far Mi-
nisters were justified in this act of degradation. Hero
the Learned fientleman referred to the proposal made,
in the reign of Q::een Anne, to the Electress Sophia et
Hanover to come over to England, and assume the state
to which she was entitled, when that Illustriou; Pere&
nage declined coming, and said she considered the
prityers of the Chnrch of England al an equivaient fat
the sacrifice she underwent in not coming over. In fact,
these prayers were held to be a res'ognition of the rig
of the exalted Personage. Far be it from him to threw
out the slightest imputation on the Sovereign, who, se
no occasion, should ever he treated like a private int*
victual. Ile vonsitlered leis Ministers responsible forerery
act of his; anti upon Ministers alone he threw all the
blame belonging to these transactions. Therefore ae
man should ever bring forward the private feelings of
the King on this occasion; and no one should say that
the liintr.s feelings would be hurt by the proceeding
that he recommended. His proposition was, to carry as
Address to the foot of the Throne, for the rectoratioasf
the Queen's name in the Liturgy. Why should Mit&
tees be afraid to carry this Address ? Let them not for
that any such act of justice would lead to their disco*
ten:ince by the King, fur he woe too noble to feel asy
resentment towards them for what they should do ea
such an occasion; anti if they should be displaced for
'such an art, let them not be afraid t
the loss of their places; for after such
wished to see the mein who would be,
tuous, as to take the places from
moved, for an honest and conscientious
their duty.—(llear !)—W hat he had ••
he called upon any man in the House
that, if complying with the wishes of
mom, any set of Ministers were to Ic
should like to 'Pee the man that we
after having refused to comply will
He would fain hope that the House ha
of those preliminary discussions ; and
agitation of it should take place, only
conclusive adjustment. He fervently
was the last time that any preliminary
be discussed. Ile entreated the House
the matter stood at that crisis. The H
on from day to day revolving this most ,
jest, and nothing final was doing—wbil
great discontent was prevailing—a
in preparation to take advantage
might take place—and a great and
likely to be made of their proceedings.
siderationc strongly urged him to wish
of all preliminary agitations, followed
adjustment. In his life he never felt
during the whole of this proceeding.
of a most delicate and painful character,
duty to those persons with whom he
acting, and from whose opinions he
reluctance—he owed a great deity to
—but lee owed a paramount duty to I
the best interests of the country—its
—its morality. He had determined
sacred sense of that duty, coupled w'
delicate, and which, to a professional
most sacred of all—namely, the duty
the client whom he served. To the
pions be had always regarded with I
bation, he appealed for a candid int
conduct which was dictated by a sease
owed to her Majesty—a duty which'
to all the claims of party, of feeling,
claims which came in competition wit
From these friends—from the House in sniffs!,
pect the completest sanction of the contempt %Whim
feel for himself. if he did not advise her Majesty '-
to the best of his judgment for her own in?
the suggestions or recommendations, whir
clime to give her, might subject him to
those who did not know. or who did not
lives. Nor did he mean in spying this t
pitman to himself—No. Ile could
tatbst. which, tf ha audited%
ltrt of the meanest of traitors to
served. If any one was of opinion that ik
lioudatt would have been wise—he disiimited
lions of /wisdom. It any one *might t'
duet wed lore respectable—he desired _
If any one thought that so opposite conduit
lar—lhey libelled the people ; tor he did
milives would be properly estimated, at
gleleable rt of the people; and at all
SOW against any vicissitude of upiales ,
eitbselnir acted rightly. lie should than
=r. that his advice to her Mislay
in the best manner, according V
serve her interests—the iateresis of the
r
although Mt advice inightbringatvida;h:
sion.—(Hear, hear, bear!)
Lord CASTtaltaAntl and
at the same moment, but the general
Induced the Noble Lord to email"
began by stating to the Hower, that
dense of his inability to claim their
stage of the deliberation, particularly
of the Hon. aid Learned Gentleman .
Illewn, be had resolved to offer himself to
a as particular moment, from a /*HA
AD peculiar relations in whit* bs steel
H. and Learned Member with regard
question, be (Lord Castlereagh) 'was
address the House, in reference to tlaptopies
been introduced by that lion. mad Liaresd f
(Here the Noble Lord, olnerrep that
had quitted his place, stated to the 1
the nature of the remarks he had to •
proper for him to suspend his obaerratioes

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was a smile upon bis lip, they
There was ooa port of the aei
h,tra the politest astisfacitaa.
hi.r *domes Weal
Cognition of
,fir risks I win
slant. could Ma &RP Auk al
hat her Majesty was sot sh
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luty which he owed a
the friends whose eid-
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sense of the dito
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our of the Hon. Masher. The Noble Lord accori
;fly sat down.)
,liter a .hurt interval. during whir-. there was a
ro,lete stvirssion of business,
Mr. TIER Ncv ro4u. in his plare, and stated, that his
sod le•.lrurd Frienul haul withdrawn to recover
kirasell after his speech, and ivuuld be in in a few

Innate.,
Lord f'AsvLear wntt said he felt it to 1, hi. duty to
wait the return of the Hose. I.;arned l„ ntlnoan.
After the lapse of a few minutes,
Lord I:Art.l.l'l'44u rose and observed, that the pe-
mliirity of tbe materials which funned the subject of
the lion. and Learned headman's speech made it iut-
prtible for hint (Lord Castlereagh) to discuss them
with :be advantage which he expected, and to obtain
which he had rtoolvcd rot to offer himself at that par-
ticular stair, without the presence of the ii ot. and
Ltarne4 441.de:usu. lie, therefore, begged the Boos
raid give him leave to reserve himself fur a later part
of the night, when it might be in his power to addres+
them ander the eireumAances sillich he thought ne-
cessary to the effect sif his observitions.—(Hear !)

After a momentary pause,
I*. „N tot Galway) then addressed the House
from the gallery. Seeisti: the House at that moment
petfertlF pnocopiod, :se orn-hesl to enlossit to the I louse
othirs:nusent in wiswer to the Hots. and Le inlet'
tiren.leman who spoke last but one, and which he
shou:rist insincible, oaosely, that the insertion of her
31ajesty's name in the Lliurgy, ur even the proposition
to that aver, 1401141 be a total departure from the
a•meenseat n-hiris hail been concluded at the late ne-

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Whlt tea, the agreement
fiLig oust not be umlerqood to retrAct any thing,
nor her .113jesty toatlmit any thing.—(Near, hear

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.1 the lluu. and I.elrne4l ilentletuan confine,' himself

the leiral right of her Majesty to have her name in-
fo-tell in the Liturgy, his principle would have been

reap 4.1 c. But he slid not so, I;erause such a coarse

would Out 161 We answered his purpose; thervfore he

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(Mr. B.) chow:: to solicit it, upon the ground that
there Ras no cause fir her exclusion, confident that
tile insertion ef her name in the Liturgy under the
prevnt circumstances would be an admission of 'her
innocence.

Mr. IlaorGllAM having just returned to his seat,
Lord 4:IIITLEURAGH rose, and, stated the grounds
upon which he had F spentl ed his observations. '
Mr. BROI OHM" submitted to the HOW. that it was
perfectly unprecedented for any one Member to insist
spun the presence of another, and be protested against
it. Since, however, the No,.k Lord seemed to be so
POW. he (Mt. B.), with the leave of the Mouse, would
Mire to Rome part of the House where he would hare
the benefit of 'free air; which be stood at that moment
tench in need of--.4t ,the same time that he would be
perfectly within hearing of the Noble Lord.
Lord Casrtsaanote mat willing to delay to any pe-
riod of the night that might best suit the convenience
of the lion. and Le ,recd Oeutleman, to whom he in-
tended the coarse which he had first adopted, as a mark
of respect. The House must be aware, that (fOlll the
mtatmusillsomonsime is wirtele thlf lirbl_en placed
towards each other by the late proceedings, the line of
argument employed by the Hon. Gentleman conld only
be met by him (Lord Castlereagh), and in resolving to
have his observations heard immediately by the Hon.
Member, he (Lord CI was actuated by a desire to as-
certain how mach they understood each other. The
House being cot off front the knowledge of many
facts, could not possibly understand the effect of many
of his (Lord C.'s) remarks, and therefore in the ab-
sence of the only Member to %s horn his remarks could
be intelligible, he would hese taken up the time of the
House in vain.—(Hear, hear'. from Mr. Brougham.)
Ms. Bnovonau said, it only remained for him to re-
move the suspicion, that in withdrawing himself at the
siessent, he was not consdous of any disrespect to the
Bowe.—(Hear :) •
Lord CASTLIMNAGH hoped he had satisAea the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman of the true nature of his mo-
tive., in adopting what enkht appear, without ex-
planation, an extraordinary course; and he begged to
say, that hr felt great pleasure, during the whole of
the unpleasant proceedinl.., in having to communicate
with him (.lr. Brougham), and that although he dif-
fled with the Hon. !!ember upon various points, he
was not the less inclined to bear testimony to the spirit

of harmony and conciliation which the Hononrableand
Learned Gentle g,an hid uniformly' manifested in the
whose of the negociati.m. Haring disposed of this
explanation, he begged to recal the attention of the
House to the immediate subject of deliberation ; and
in addressing himself to the various topics, which it
els his duty to notice, he would endeavour to observe,
as much as possible, the tone and spirit which had so
properly appeared in the observations of his Honour-
able Friend who mused the Resolution. He owned,
however, that there were passages it the speech of
the tionosarable and Learned Gentleman who had lately
melte% which were by no means characterised by
the like qualities ; but which lie (Lord Castlereagh)
assured the House would not tempt him to depart
(tom the resolution which he bad just stated. He felt
that it would be the most prudent course for him to adopt,
to address himself immediately to that view of the ques-
tion that had been presented to the House, as the argu-
ments which he had to ol.r to the House would render
such circumstances likely to be best understood. He
meant first of all to apply to that brauch of the
argument fouudyd upon the exclusion of her Majesty's
same from the Liturgy. The Honourable Gentleman
' had said, that there was a concession which it was in
the power of Ministers to make, and which not only
would not be injurious to the side of the case, to uphold
which it was supposed that this concession shonld be
withhell, but would remove the only remaining obstacle
to the completion of that adjustment most anxiously
wished for by Parllatnent ; and, in addition to all those
alleged motives for concession, the Houourable Member
declared that the cundect of Ministers originally witk
regard to this point had been contrary to
Now be (Lord Castlereagh) was ready to meet the'
Hon. and Learned Gentleman n the broad admisebilli,
of the entire responsibility of Ministers upon this
He would argue the matter upon both the law eillk
practice oldie eountry, and if he succeeded in Ante-
ing to the Hesse, as he hoped to do, that a discretion
was given, by both the law and practice, to the ad-
visers of the Crown, with respect to the omission we
insertion of certain names in the Liturgy : and if be
also showed that the exclusion in the present case
lOW warranted. be apprehended that the House would
lirm with hie that there was nothing very rash in
Ministers assuming the vesponsibility of the oeds4

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•ion of her Majesty's name. First, as to the law of
!he question. Had it been inditputably fixed that the
inalienable rights of her Majesty extended to the ap-
pearance of her name in the public prayers, in that
case Ministers would have seen it once that they had
nothing more to do than ►it Ire r the provisions of the law
to be executed as a matter of course. And he should

beg to observe here, that there never was any retort-
ance on the part of Mhsisters to recognize the
Queen of England under all those cir. uu►stances
whirl) by right belonged to her, and would reml
to the attention of the House that when the ar-

rangetnents for the Royal Family Came under discussion
at a former time, be (Lord l'astlereach) had stated
to the House that lie should feel it his duty to propose
some provision for the late Prince.. of Wales, then be-

come Queen of England--so th.,t her capacity as'
Queen was never once disputed. .11;ain, when the
proposition which his linisters ha.l deemed it their
ditty to have proffered to her were submitted to her,
they were submitted to her as Queen ,if England, call-
ing upon her fur a surrender, nut of her legal capacity
of Queen, hut of those circumstances belonging to her
elevated situation, which it had he, thought miviaabla
she should hl3,- down. lie denied that the words of

the Art of Pat-Nan:vitt resi.erting the prayers for the
Kinz, the Q1114'41, a!I i the 110 p I pr..zeny, peremptorily
required the insertion in the' I.iturzy of all the indivi-
duals who represent d the characters specified in the
Act, and he beggeil to state to the House, that the
practice of the country, ever since the Act of Uni-
formity, sanctioned the existence of a discretion to he
exercised by Government as to the particular names to
be itiscrted in the Liturgy• At one period it would be

foun,l, that the name. tot Princes. .inae and Princess

Mary, had been i in the Liturgy itl.rniig with

those of tii. King ;Anil tjno•rn ; at itiitotlsee time,

the names of different 4.llier bran, hes were inserted,

whibit Itoyal individuals, -1.)0.1 in the

lation as the former, I% Cll. I ‘l.l uit from the same

privilege at a ilifferent period of our history. In
the reign of-George the Second, the House would
ohserve, the I hike of Cumberland bail been prayed for;
but upon the accession of his brother to the Throne, it
was deemed advisable, hi consequence of falling into*
more remote relation to the Monarch, his name had
been removed from the Liturgy. The name of tke
consort of George I. was not ins, rteil in the Liturgy;
and this omission, it was well known. had a reference
to some proceedings that were taking place in a Coo-
sistory Court at Hanover ; and nimbi it he said that
the omission was illegal ? .gain, George of Denmark
was not included. Having sliewn that the law and
practice of the conntry were in favour of a discretion
in the hands of Government norm this subject, thg re-
maining question to which he would address himself
was, whether or not this part!; ilar exercise of re-
tion hail been wise and expetitetit. It had been by
the Hon. and Learned Gent. in the course of his ad est,
that the omission of her Nlikirioy's MiIUP took place in 1
the contemplati that linistert would have found it ad-
vieahle to propose an lovestiptio.: into hex ilni•e&r.sl
coadasea. Againsethtettateidmit lie ( Lord l'.) utterly pro-
tested. He could assure the House, that, when the
decision, which excluded her Nlaj-sty's name from the
Liturgy, had been taken, so fir from Ministers laving
' determined to institute any ininiry, or to make any
other public use of the information which they pos-
vested. the case w.ts deeply the i event.. \ot did they
entertain, st that time or since, any other resollition
upon the subject ilmu that of exhansting every-pessibk
means of averting nligt the) could nut but ctoisidsr it
public calamity, and they lia,l hot very badly \ex-
pressed their frelinzs, if they had not already pro-
duced the conviction that they were determined
never to sanction the agitation of the question, except
in the altertiathe of tier Ma;e,ty's return to England);
Ile would here beg leave to interpose a cantles against
being usdirstoesl as speaking of her Majesty as a guilty
individual. He wished carefully to avert the notion,
that the whole tenor of his arguusesit did nut leave as-
impaired the distinction between a charge and cried,
nality. But with every anxiety to act up to this dis-
tinction, be, as a Minister of the Crown—having before
him charges of the grossest nature against her Majesty
—and being placed in a situation where he must accept
one of two alternatives, he would have acted with the
greatest inconsistency with his duty, if he had given a
different advice to his Sovereign—whilst he rillected on
the serious charges before I ' —and whilst he remem-
bered that nothing was to discharge the necessity of an
inquiry, hilt her Majesty's voluntary absence from this
country. There were other considerations, too, which
concurred in urging hint to mem 1111 l end the nicaaiare of
omitting her name to his Majesty ; and he assured the
House, that, as an honest man, and a conscientiout Mi-
sister, he would rather sacrifice his existence than act
otherwise than he had dent, Tinder the unfortunate cir-
cumstances in which be was placed. The Hot'. and
Lessood Gentleman's remarks bad made it necessary for
him Is pursue this subject somewhat farther, when he
, (lasd Castlereagh), contrasted the character of these
esliesis with some of the former speeches of the Mo..
ssil Learned Gentleman. If the Hon. Member felt that
the insertion of her Majesty's name was of such im-
portance as be seemed desirous of making the House
believe—then, indeed, he must have boon the most
opine, or the most feeble of advisers, lf•he suffered
the resolution of the Council, by virtue of which the
inclusion had taken place, to sleep upon their hooks
:for forty-eight hours, without one effort to vindicate
blue privilees or the rights of her Majesty, which
this omission might he supposed to violate.—
beers.}—Even when the exclusion had been, on a
ion
aer occasion, brought under the attention of the
use, what was the language of the Hon. and
Learned Headman ? Why, he (Mr. li.) declared In his
ph.. ts Parliament, that the complaint of the omission
pi _boy Majesty's name was too insignificant for a
illiiii bt—that at was a trade, light as air—and that the
slip sissitios which the House ought to consider as
Inger igr. r ass notice was—what was the legal
',sty'—(Cheers.)—The Hoe. sod
Limp,
ifested- uneasiness, even that it
Imlkeingbeildieleary to urge the insertion of her
pyy
•• ism is the Liturgy, fur that ebe was deier•
and the insertion or [mission of her name INAS
- et Beak, was a matter wholly irrelevant. as ha
11 tto betosated so Queen. Weald the Hon. Member
;hi?? Would Le attemit to say,
_that
illiaZotopinion from that wllli-13 he had es-1
r? If bee Ml4estfocoulidential servants thought,
edissaediso is the Llissqy of ao mach moment, why
did Sissy peripit the Illiiiaters of the Crown to en
itca• iserletidlittessee a delusion. -Mb (teed'
t ) 01111111.111 spat AstasVit.sies swine a cosivice
moo gibs posithst is, . jesty had been pro..
edited ss theliovie is the oitadee, should not
altered 1 sod It became sethhavy Wile to state, lisele
he had net bees tets st Ate' is dielfflosehltib 141111'

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