The Statesman.
London, England, 1814-11-12 00:00:00

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-After some conversation between Mr. T 1 EitNNY and the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCH EQUERi It . was agreed that
the following Papers should be laid before thel Howse
An itccomatt .if nisrunded Debt and Evehemser Bills bar 1814.
An account of the number of Bank-antes In circulation on
the Ist of November, 1814.
An account of the net proceeds of the War Tares.
An account of the di,iribution of the Vote of Credit 10,011 f
service of the year 1814. .• .3
An account of the deficiency or sitrphuthi the.
Fund to April. 1814. •
lea
Mr: TIERN bY .gave notice, that nallimllll4
move for certain Papers relative ti, the Civil List.,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHMIDER then pirated
that he should defer his Motion for the erectioll
to Gen. Rose, till Monday. • -
NAVY.
Mr. CROKER moved for leave to brink ii
.1 Bill
1" to encourage and reward the Petty Officers, See-
men, and Marines, for long and faithful service*.'".
He stated, that the object of the 13111 was to put the
two services of the army and nary, as much as poti.
sible, upon an equality ; and he thought that th.:
fends of Greenwich Hospital and of the cheat
united, would go a considerable way tnwartliinier•
log the expences. If any deficiency 'should arise,
he trusted that the House would think proper to
supply it out of the public money. At present,'
there was this difference between the army and the
%levy : the whole eapences of the former 'were, borne
by the public, whereas the espences of the latter
were defrayed by thernselves,—by the contributions
which they made to the funds at Greenwich. Froas
the peculiar character of the war doting the last.
year, the services of the seamen and Royal Marines
had been felt its a less striking manner than these of
the army ; but the exemplary conduct of the navy
deterred the best thanks of the country, and .the
Reuse bad frequently expressed their admiration and
approbation of such conduct. He trusted, there-
fore, that the House would concur in the object of
the Bill.

Mr. WARD asked, if it were intended to make
any provision for half-pay for Masters, Mates, mid
Midshipmen ? . .
Mr. CROK.ER replied, that the subject liekbesii.
considered, and found to be utterly. impractianido7,l
A liberal" promotion, however, would be made of
such as were found to be entitled to that reward r-
and others would be maintained in full pay, arid
kept in his Majesty's ships that might be in commis.
sion. It was intended, that the pensions to be,
granted to the Marines should be the same as that
given to the army, and that the seamen should be
placed On the same footing, u sear is the difference
of the services would Owe% A registry would be
kept of "
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come to
feiture

Mug of the ingratitude of the Spanish
it watt known that >< large debt
from Spain to: this country. He wish.
'hether Sae setns paid were really
da:Tittipitio, or um part of a
;yen, alba; pretence of an existing

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would
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time on Monday.
coUßT.Maltirtity.
Col. PALMER stated Ms *pet at being obliged
to cell the attention of the Hewn to *subject which
he conceived to be of the greatest importance, not
only to the iudividuals immediately concerned, but
to the honour and interests of the profession to
which they belonged,--he alluded to the Court-Mar.
tial which bad been held upon the Commanding Of.
titer of the regiment in which he had hitherto had
the honour of serving; that, as far as related to
himself, nothing shotild have induced him to trouble
the House, as he conceived that his own character
stood unimpeached upon the face of the proceedings,
and that it Was unnecessary fOr him to justify himself*
from nay censure that had been cast upon him; het'
that he felt it necessary to come forward in belialf
others whose conduct had been 'Dimly relleclid,
upon. He should therefore move, in the first .18.1
stance, that the proceedings of the Court-Martial'
upon Col. Quentin should be laid before the Housell
and should afterwards consider what further steps 141
would be proper for him to pursue.—[Hier !)
Mr. HARING seconded the Motion.
. The SPEAKER said,lhat he conceived the pro.
per way of pr in in this cal was, to presents
an humble .Address the lions to the Prince Re.'
gent, praying, that his Royal Highness would be.
pleased to order the proiieedings to be laid before tb4
.
House:
'This was agreed to be the correct mode, OA
Palmer put it in writing.
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Mr. MANNERS SUTTON then rm.,. end eakie,
that -he supposed the Honourable Member had been
cheered, bemuse it was considered , that he bad
stated such grounds as justified him in Making hie
motion ; but no one ground had been stated by the
Honourable Gentleman. He evil% lowlier, to
adduce his reasons before he called upon' the Raw
for the proceedings; and he (Mr. S.) thought it un-
necessary for him to suggest a thousand reasons why
they should not be laid before the House. lie.
thought it better that the Hon. Member should then
withdraw' his motion, and give a notice for another
day.
Col. PALMER. said, that he should be obliged to
absent himself nest week to go to France; sad he
wished. that the proceedings shoold be laid epee the
table, in order that the Hoeft might 'have Om to
consider them before his return. ••
After some conversation between. Mr. Wllllibtead,
Mr. Tierney, and Colonel Patnerothelleses! %reed
to withdraw his motion, and gave setielightlimgdity
neat.
PRINCESS CR*ll4O2lll. '
Mr. MARTIN asked the ihmaingur of ft. is.
chequer, whether any establilllanat
he made for. her Royal Highness '
lotte.
The CHANCICLOR of the way..
mid, that he bid net received any eistamma; from
the Prince Regent on that subject.
The House they went into a Committtee *flap*.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER

. 4.1.1 ;to
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IR ' difaie s beak' resolve I intWili . floii.Ge :lemon; be was fully aware of •
es
. , to cousidvaly 'ef die his service.
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"17•4_i.i. '.. ~', ! , Mr. BARING and Mr. TIERNEy 0m,..,
.. , i ponoN•ttoshed to soolO.wi shee 11.40 w what sums had been tarnished fee the...l6US Itil
**sin the intention -of the Chancellor 't +e xche- Army ? Punk
goer to give a general state nest el the financial i The CHANCELLOR of the Itteiltru,
ansditien of thecoriwtry •440/44.00111Pre4 leit-tiviiiidi that there had been an a -"luElt
greet-Rent by which it.
ostpply. '' . i two teillioni yearly were furnished. , -gilt
• "(The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Mr. NYHI'f BREAD allowed thie,(lo /,_
told, that he certsintrintinded to- give ouch agent- here was-a:separate engagement.. The --;
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rat statement as, to the best of his judgment would of Spain having brought the war in which Hwy ha,
be necessary. , i been engaged to a successful termination- -7'
' Mr. PONSONBY insisted, .that thefollest infer- ; having been concluded, we engaged iiii t-i
*Salon was necessary before the House ought to be . that Government for. the pierpittp '.. ..°r ' ' ''"rs
... .„..ewobih4
'celled upon to grant large supplies. \ troops to return to their respective •Wonses IrT '
• The House ;then went into the Cometittee, and Mr. Government was„ howevert• overtirned by 01
, Bregden (the Chairman) read that part of the Re- and it appeared probable that the money LR.
'gent's Speech which related 'to the arrears. into the hands of the King • and that he tsar ''.
The CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER, iissiited In the destruction of ;he very kodywfteviiiiiiii%
paid, that as he sh'oo)it new merely"move that a sop. our engagement had been made.
'ply be granted, she did not apprehend tbathe need Mr. WELLF,SLEY .POLE; saio, that the 0..
enter upon any minute details ; hereafter, when he Gentleman perfectly misfiuderstood the. lA'
'hobic!' apply for particular sums, he would tarnish [Hear, hear 1 from Mr.. Winlbroasl.l-110 kEn
the appropriate information. that he might be heard ence-for the' 1, -wry'
salAt . .. • ',,
Mr. HORNER observed, that as the Speech at. man's twenty times. The tin. Gewite o
.si •
laded to large arrears, and as it appeaiettfrom a slip not. expect that the /loose vitteid he dllpf a:
of paper on the table that ten millions were due on
war, we
1.
to hear him and tie putt art else. - The •f art
illwasAro
i
the army account, independently of the nine mil-
'this—that at the oeseluslon of the
lions which were last Session anticipated,. be lipped bound ourselves en pay to. Spain a sum suer
the House would nol continue to vote million after enable the gpatilsli. fret* Ito , Muhl to tittire
million, without requiring the most minute and al". This agreement was„,."afilY on the OrinciPle rif7,4
elle information.
whom, we subsidized, it was the .same wkie,,Z
, , entered into by the Area" of rano with ihe p 1 -
°esti
i The - Cli4NCt- LLOR of the EXCHEQUER was made with the Cortes, or *kit the 104,71;
I' replieoll• titat It certainly was his intention to furnish
truth, he believed the 'kink of Nilo hest(
epepy detail In his power; that exact details espe. nets*
before the conclusion' 'of .The:Teinity of Peace. ge.
iviejly as to the army service,, could not be. details,
-
that as it might, Sir Henry Wellesley did, with*
niently given, till the close of the year ; he •should,
existing Government 'of t ' SONO,: Whether kiil if
however, be able to present a statement of con-
Cortes, make en arrangement for the retina it
siderable exactness as to the expenditure of the se.
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veral branches of the military service, whether in Spanish troops. It was his dirty to do ie ;
engagement which he lied made was confirmcdhysii:
France, or Spain, or the Netherlands. This was
British Government, although•no formal 'Treaty if*
all he could do. He allowed that the expence had
entered into. Now-hrot this cootd,be converteshhee
been enormous ; yet he thought, if it were compar-
thepaymentof a :aim to the king of Spain to satie.
ed with the splendid advantages acquired, no man
gate the Members of the preceding Governaestliii'
would say that they had been bought at too high a i
rice. The outgoings of the war in Spain and kiew-nc"
France - were immense; out of the nineteen millions Mr. WHITBREAD professed himself tery 6....:
to hear again the well-modulatedvoice of-tbe tier
i
much the greater part had been applied to that
Hon. Gentleman,, but thought that On extrlordioilii
fiervice ; great arrears had been found to be due to
regret was due, to his silence, us without doubt
Abe army, which for want of the proper resources
would make large ameeda by frequent, seeekisi
of ezeloangn could Rot. possibly be defrayed till the
future : a very few days would clear all his a,
.o.lling a the peace. Before that that ' time it was as
in talking, .44 laugh,.] But as to the docament,
Musk as the country could do to meet the current
for it now appeared that some document existedrile
eitimences. - ' wished to•isk why It was notproduced
',...31r, BARING hoped that the etise would pay- Mr„ * vetut .1. . I
said that certainly
.t re enir
lipttleater attention 'to this' eubject,°.and would.alit .dec—o;n'el n-t•4:_bu-..t-wheth.er* it could be pteuced is,
direct its enquiries to the method -or auditing lied' another
. thing, For hts own part he had so long*
counts in the Peninsula ; for he iiad'
personal reason, sarttness,to,the troublesome questions which the He
entire's% for the lot W years, had been so hi,
to know that considerable :buses prevailed in, the
Commissariat. The settlement with the Court .of of put;.:ng, that he should recommend to hit
Spain demanded investigation; it appeared that this
vibes i_leagues not.te
. answer a question• till they had"
country was paying large sumt.to.Spain,
.1! a ay to.d,eithtliste, - --

• .Mr.'ivtirrisaEriD observed, theklie Sheik, e...' .
.tinue the practice which he- had pursued-fatten:l4
years of asking questionson matters of poktkista
rest, Whenever' they !eight •ti ppear to bins kbeasli.
cessaryt .nttwitliscitudins the remarks of pie .• •
Honourable nentletnan. If any of amer • •
should be addressed to the Right lion: Gentl.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHI;',QUER who had just exhibited so much coolness and .
answered, that as to the abuses in fh commissariat, should take until the morrow to consider of I :
the Government wooldhave"been obliged to him if he reply, all:that hre(Mr. Whitbread) would do wee
had communicated to them what he knew on the be to put the widen .again on the morrow;
'Object. As to the debt due to Spain, he was at a this practice be week! fereevere io with as math •.
less to know what the Ifonoirrable Gentleman could termination as ft was his intention to persevere is
mean. • In fact, Spain owed a very large debt to , the practice of :speak* as often as he should think,
this country; yet as the Spanish army serving un- fit on any question when the House was in Commit.'
der Lord Wellington was in British pay, it was ne- tee. lie hoped the Right honourable the*Chancellotl
cessary to pay to,them the arrears which were due to of the Exchequer weld not be induced by the aol
them. . . example of his Right Honourable neighbour to with.
Mr. BARING said he had not pretended to pus- hold information which it was consistent with ha
Joss any eery important information as to the Com- sense of public duty to communicate, although k
usissatist, but what he had' he should mention in might be asked by one not much in the habit asap
Proper time. Astto any communication with the porting Administration.
'treasury, he could state a reason why he had not Mr. PONSONBY trusted that the Right Hoe.
Referred that mode. A friend of his, a practical Gentleman's adeioe to his Right Honourable Fried
Mans, and well informed on the subject, had, in the would not answer its purpose. It was now evident
tloss sr Mr. Percent, made a communication of that there were more agreements than one, and he
soma abuse,: no notice -was taken of the matter till . hoped the Right Honourable the Chancellor of the
'along time afterwards, when the Commissary came Exchequer would gee that their production was saw-
Iwo Spain, and kis (Mr. B.'s) friend was informed, tial. The Right Honourable Gentleman asked- for
that if he bad any charges-to make, he had now an a large sum,' partly made up of the money granted
opportunity. • to the Spanish Government, when the war was at are
Mr. HUSICISSON did not recollect any informa. I end, and when Spain owed us an Immense sum.—
trt of the kind mentioned by the Hon. Gentleman I This appeared to him to be a very grave and fit sub.
rating been communicated -to the Treasury depart- ! jest for enquiry.
impot. As to the present subject, the Tact was, that The 'CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER de.
the Spanish troops had been raised and served under: clued,
el
that he never denied the existence of a coat
dr. faith of a subsidy from this country to "PPM' respondence involving the agreement alluded to; be
them ; at the time of the peace arrears were due.,
.t Ant only denied that there had been any distinct'
tbem, or rather to at diff
erent contractors who eau* Subsidiary. Treaty. Ile sans persuaded that the
supplied them with. necessaries, and it would kire House and the country would never have 'thought it
been unjust to have called tryen the Spanish Govern. ,'tight that any of our Allies who had been fighting
meat, embarrassed as it was it -the time, to make under our banners should be dintissed, without tie
gilsthe engagements whicinad•bee- a made with the means, of repairing to their respective homes.
h Government, " '.' ' i Mr. BARING acknowledged, that the more hi
,Mr. WHITEIREAWeiIIiowed else force of that heard of this business the more suspicious it herture.
.oluervatiou,, bek.sati,the,eemsr time insisted that it He repeated his Honourable Friend's hope, that tit
iihoild clearly be explained, whether the sums which Right Hon. Gentleman opposite would not persuade
ha been paid to the Spanish .Government since the his colleognes to abstain from answering any fit qvsh.
Race had, in fact, been applied to these perposes,'; dons that he might be put to them.
or had been used for the despotic objects which Fer-il . sr, NY: ,PQLE complained of misrepresentatiete
&and .had pursued towards his subjects. It was All that he had said was, that when papers were
net enough to trey, that a sum for a particular par- leaked fort the prOpriety of producing which it mu
. . had been paid to the. King of Spain :it should impossible immediately to ascertain, he would re-1
shows
that it had been properly applied. Hsu commend to his Right Hon. Friend'
to repeal' .
' ratolated the House on the accession which then giving any answer. The inclination of his oitpdennt
metier of the Exehigosr had received in the per.. to grant every information which could be `ranted
oi
. .
, - of the Honourable Gentle Man : he now' hoped. with prudence and safety. ,t. ;/
ois those plans of 'economy. anti controul Ind The Resolution was thee agreed to' and d. RO'
„hence which bad so long been the kvourtilitheme of port was ordered to be received to-morrow. •
the Bon. Gentleman would be put in execution, and, Mr. BARING:gave notice, that on Tuesday he
that the country wools; reap the advantage of his vigi- ; would move for the. production of the agreemeet
Ana, both in probing obi Wounds) and in. adminis- whicii had just been the sehject of conversation.
riMfreels strength. „ , I The CHANCELLOR of she EXCHEQUER ski
CIIANCELLog. of klet EXCHEQUEIV pressed his readiness to. proclaim lite subatance of that
, , 11. r, -
mould say merely as: ' bra to the mode of the agreement, although it would' he impossible to pt°•,`
payments in Spain. had 'usually been made re
duce the agmernt itself. . '
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.1
theme sh the osedieM of the Spanish Government, who 1 . Lord PALM ERSTON presented certalutslhastil
bed then transferred Waste the direction of the Duke by order of the hope.
a Wellinteii Oka the peace, the AmbassadorrSir General GASCOIGNEOid4Sitirig 'to the inciaw
11.:Welleidey, Sad been the organ of these payments. which had been made. in the pensioneof the widows
On the subject of the assistance of his lion. Friend, of officers of the navy and marines, wished to kniov
be was as reedy to congratulate the House as the whether the Noble Lord intruded to propose set

f the seamen, and they woold be called to fact (to say nott
o the service of their country, with a for. Government) it
of pension it they niteeed. Martens Mates, wet owing from
lidshipmeu
,014 indeed, yea lagetinamdso, etl?to know wl
be ai I owes; saexthaliser! Asbt.
it prejudke"to thew rig is in the Wavy. a 'subsidy give
rought up the BM, which was reed a first , debt?
sod ordered to be printed, and reed a second j wk. fin A %Tr

LONDON:

SATURDAY, sernansit 12, 11114.

Three days French Papers (to the 10th), and'
ttiaets and Frankfort Journals have come to haud
tiasy, extracts from which we have subjoined.—
The intelligence from Vienna, in the French Papers,
hto the 29th. It states, that Are congress would
positively open on the 34-111 ft 'l.omat• Ist-
feet Rood understandhig so song the Al-
lied Powers.; bat we have, . other accounts from
the same capital, 'in the Brussels Papers, of an
opposite and unexpected case. A new competitor
is tailed of for the Crown of Polwwl—no other
than the Aretkinke Cu +num, whose pretensions, it!
is darkly hinted, are to be supported by an Aus-
trian army of 520,000 men. We thought we had

arrived at such a period of the history of was and
of kinidosav, when the bare mention of such a pro-
ject %could save beta considered as savouring of
iniquity. The Poles have sneered enough from
hostile contantioas abbut their Waited country ;
and we could wish to hoer e.f their wishes
being in some degree consulted. before nay fur-

•ter partition of their eserieory, imr, masers In.
vetting their happiness, be resolved en. The union
of stl.folend filth Itnisint'srodid not look like eats-
*Oiling the epellikel4llooower ; and an attempt to
Witch the whale, or say nom of it, to Austria, by
force, is as unllkply,a method to secure the please of
Europe.
k,4
`carne
of a design to annex t t eitfoi, the Prussian demi-
nions, as Dantair had bleu heretofore. These fears
were the stronger, because it was understood that
Prussia had conceded Embalen, with the navigation
of the Ems and the Weser, to "the new kingdom of
Hanover, and Great Britain would therefore have
the le* occitOon to preserve the freedom of the Elbe-
nate, Nov. 0.-parte. lino *nava letters from
ii"--vidah settle beyond doubt, the warless ru-
ttiest's which have been in circulation relative to that
Miliiiy. It is not true that the Ihkede Gallo set oat
precipitately from Naples hr Vienna. It is aleo
aptroe that the Neapolitan army -bad been pot la
aserelso, as has been said ; it remains in a state of
perfect tranquillity in its cantonments. The best
buderatanding subsists between Austria and the
Neapolitan Government. There was no truth in the
Inertia"' of troubles having broke out at Milan.
Viliitillk; OCT. 29.—k appears at length decided,
that the Congress will formally open on the 3d of
next month. The Minister of a great nation bad
demanded that the Sittings might no longer be re-
tank'. They will be held in the palace of the In-
ferior Austrian States, the grand ball of which has
been decorated with great magnificence.

ilameolott. Oct.29.—We are assured that they
are perfectly sstisfied at Vienna with the moderate
intention of Prince Talleyrand. Ile has declared
that he will Consent to any thing which will not in.
jure the equilibrium of F.erope, and the maxims
laid down by the Allied Poufs,' themselves.
It appears that the difficulties which subsisted be.
tueen Pales* Talleyriud and Lord Cs.stlerasgh iu
the Nereiatioes hare been removed.
MILAN, Oct. 49.--Rumours, which aro believed
at Bologna, state, that this city will by erected into
▪ principality, and ceded to her Highness the Arch-
duchess Maria Louisa of Avstria.
The Austtian force which is maintained In. Italy,
is estimated at 120,000 men. An Order of the
Dar, dated Oct. 25, from Count Bellegurde, pro.
scribes different measures againit the deserters from
tha Italian army.
Dacsoes, Oct. 26.--Our fate is decided—our
cc ary wicC Itslt'be 411rtitloned—it will be incorpo-
rated entirely With Prussia, and preserve its Con-

staution and institutions.
Lamm, Ocr. 24.—We have received to-day from
Dresden information, that the General Government,
of Sunny will cease, and that there will be tobsti•
tuted a provisionary Prussian Government. The
Proclamation which announces this change is already
in the press, and no time will be lost in making it
public.
FROWiliall 0/ SASONT, Ocr. 46.--Snme say it is
intended that Prince William of Prussia, brother of
the King, will be Viceroy of Saxony ; others assure
us, that Prince Augustus Ferdinand, cousin of the
King, who is to marry ;be Archduchess Leopoldine;
daughter of the Emperor of Austria, will be Vice-
roy.. Prince William has been planied some years
to a Princess of liesse-lionsburg.