The Statesman.
London, England, 1814-11-30 00:00:00

.1 triumph over their fellow.citigens.. lie was mate'
hished to find that a person in high official situation'
Chad given sanction to these lodges. It was lull time
'that Ireland shoirld khow on whet footing these so.
chilies stood, which had been denounced as illegal by
Judges on the Bench. and been noticed with appro-
bation by the Chief Secretary. A Nolile Lord in the
debate on Ibis subject had said; that whatever might
have been the motives of the founders of these So-
cieties, set illegality had been stamped upon them
by the Act of 1199. A 'Right Honourable Gentle-
man, now on embassy, had further said, that those
who encouraged or belonged to such associations
were guilty of an offence against the peace ef tire
Empire. No resolution was indeed passed that
nigh, but all, wills one only exception, thought that
what then occurred would effectually put' a stop to
such societies in future.- Bet when after this he saw
that addresses from such lodges were presented to
the Chief Secretary for Ireland, and were answered
by him in commendatory terms ; when Grand Judas-
had praised him (sir hisencouragemeot of such lodges,
avid were answered in a similar sttain of ocemmesida-
tion, It was high iime-Ilset )Clue peoetnekeuld under-
i tend whether such societlei were lege( or illegal.—
The Grata:l.lm.y, to *MN address heparticularly
alluded, eas.noternieent for its layafty, at least for
that genuine loyalist which consiats In a constant obe.
Ideate to the laws, ' They bad long had a contest
iltith the ludgpeOila bad refused er hesitetatai;
' comply witla'al. ligutery prat/miens of the Prise*.
at, for Ireland: For three yetis* they had. snaiatatirs
•ed this struggle whist the performance of what hag•
been enjoined upon them, Such. men might perhaps
be iksernesi luysl, bathe most agate assert, that'll,'
knew of no loyalty racept that which had been es.
iwHently defined by Lord. Avonntore to'be compliance
'with the Ines. He concluded with moving foe
'66 Copies of ail Addresses from Orange Lodges to
the Irish Secretary, and his Answers' hereto ;" also
for " Addresses from Grand Juries, on the subject
of Orange Ledges, and his answers thereto."
Mr. PEELIS rose to second the motion. Though,
perhaps, it might he questioned, if such papers ac.
twills existed, whether it was usual to call for them
in Parliasnent,..yet no such objection should coma
from him. He could not divine the object of the
Right Hon..-Baronet's motion, unless it were'the
following :s—The Right Hon. Baronet had complained
of much .misrepatasentation, which had appeared
' against. him in the NewspapPri, and had shown him.
*self very elitism, to wipe off these aspersions • hav-
ing, therefore, a few nights' ago, supported the
Irish 'Peace Preservation Bill, and having last Session
proclaimed his descent from the, Mitch guards of
Ring William, he was, perhaps, hi, alarm lest he
should be m'stak n for an Orange man—[A laugh],
--s-and so made the present motion to prevent sack a
misconception. Such a supposition was not altoge-
ther improbable, as some persons had been called
Orange Papists, on no better ground than their liar-
ing given a vote for a Kotestatit Member. The
Right Honourable Baronet had charged him with en-
couraging the Orange lodges. On what grounds,
and from what documentsdid he bang suck a charge)
The Houk: w %lore to an exptanution on this
Sebloct. List Session some Petitions were presented
se Varloament try an Hon. Baron t, Member for '
Queen's County, on the subject of Orange lodges;
and he (Ms. Peek) had taken that opportunity of
vindicating these societies against some of the mis.
representations current against them. Did this war.
sant ate imputation that he was ah encoeratger of
such associations ? On his return to Ireland, the
Grand Jury of Fermanagh (a body for whose opt-
nion 'he felt the highest respect), had addressed
him, and he had answered that Address. This
was the only Address, and the only answer on
the soliect mentioned by the Right llonourabltv
Gentleman. The address thanked him for correct..
ing the misrepresentations which had gone abroad as
to the Orange meetings, and he in his answer stated,
that he believed that bony misrepresentations pre-
vailed ; and while he disclaimed all intention of en.
couraging or countenancing such socit4ies, he had
recommended to them the most peaceable said tran-
quil demeanour. And this was. the document on
which be was charged with encouraging such associa-
tions. There was no other document : at least, as
.far as he recollected, there was not a single conunu-
*cation any way relating to this subject, except per-
haps the Dublin address might be so called, in which
he had been thanked for replying to the slanders of
disapepoieted ambition, and which Address lie bad
shortly answered by expressing his gratitude at their
approval of his conduct. Ile.could undertake to say,
that there had been nothing else: and as to any Ad-
dresses from Orange Lodges, there was not the
slightest foundation for such an insinuation. 'While,
however, he livid this, he did not wish to re-
tract assy expression which he had before uttered in
deprecation of the usual abuse against the motives of
these associations. He hoped that the Right lion.
Baronet would be able hi his reply to state some fur-
ther and better ground for his motion: that he would
.refer to some particular document, some distinct pro.
ceediug of the Irish Government, and not leave his
motion so ludicrously bare as it was at present. He
concluded by vindicating the Grand Jury of Ferma-
nagh from. the charge brought against them : as well
as -he recollected, they had been empowered to
ire a chaplain, and had merely disputed about the
.fitness of a man who had beets appointed to that si-
tuation. The Right Honourable Borotiet had
stated, that they had acted illegally : it was in-
cumbent upon upon him to stale the grounds of such
a charge.

Mr. CROKEtt submitted to the House whether,
after the explauadon contained in the answer of the
lion. Secretary, it would not be better to dispose of
this matter by the pre►ious question. The Address
which had been mentioned merely referred to the
conduct of the Secretary as an individual Member of
Parliament; and he conceived that Parliament could
not take notice of such a document (unofficial as it
'was) without infringing its own privileges.

Mr. FITZGERALD thought, that however in-
formal the motion might be, it was better to let it
pass, in order to the more satisfactory clearing of this
Hon. Secretary.
Mr. CROK ER observed, that his, only object in
the motion which he offered to the Lipase was a
consideration that the allowance of the original mo.
tiou (however desirable in other respects) might have

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