The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-09 00:00:00

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1411 Wove le ilia so, toilM ti lb oteilfttecte isip4
plum tad ai to the Misetiiehinh mithrawibilit
here 'children that sissild.be the emuiesimeeetibf Aar
nubs. it irks a wicked tfahstfoe st toes te briar*
merely* couseedon with**, a prespeet of heifer iMe
to give support to his family. Thiel yea held' to be thsl
ease among the higher sag MAIM)/ dile& of society,
aed the poor man ought to possess the some feeling;
and by the alteration ptepaesdea he ma& lathe laws.
he would be enabled to mkt? it We effect if be did
possess it.
Col. WOOD eonsidered the thanks of the House doe
to the Hon. and Learned Gimbals(' who broght foes
ward the measure sow in progress through the Hensel
He condemned the coarse adopted by the opponents of
the measure, sad hoped the Noose would giye itimert
countenance and rapport wises it came .lisfave these of
Thursday neat for general dbeusslise. He observed
that a motion of an Hon. Gentleman for th 6 repeal of
the Husbandry Horse Tea stood for that night, and
would take precedence of the debate epos the hilly
As this would seriously injure its progress, isoisopeif
the Hon. Member would not press his motion upon that
occasion. He believed that all sides of the House
agreed in the paramount importance of the sakiect
with which the 11M was connected.

Sir J. ORAHAhI said, t►at he had received letters
from Carlisle, which represented all the principal halm-
bitants of that place to be is favour of the Bill.
Mr. MAXWELL represented the accounts which he
had received from various quarters to he of a different
nature from those alluded to by the Hon. Baronet. He
believed that ninety-nine persons sot of a hundred all
over the country were decidedly hostile to the principles
of the Bill.

Mr. BIRCH said. in the town which he had the ho-
nour to represent. the measure was regarded as one
whose consequences must be most destructive to all
classes.

Mr. W. SMITH objected to the Bin. He wished to
ask the Hon. Baronet opposite whether the correspond-
ence he had received from Leeds was of the same chi-
racter as that to which he had alluded as coming front
Carlisle? He understood that there was the stronge‘t
feeling among the manufacturers of Leeds against the
Bill.

Sir R. HERON said he believed the subject to he one
of such magnitude, that. the proposed alterations were
not yet understood by the country. Hr hoped that for
the sake of discussion, and of tire advantages which
mast arise therefrom, his Hen. and Learned Friend
uftnild persist with his measure, but not with the intru-
tion of pasting it into a law during the present Session.
Mr. SCA RIETT said, that lie never expected to meet
a general concurrence of opinion upon a measure of so
much importance as that which he had introduced to
House. There waft, however, scarcely any dillbrewee of
opinion as to the magnitude of the evils which existed
trader the present tritest of poor laws ; yet none of 40e
plans suggested for their relief wool) be found to agree.
Now be sboovbt It we emit orosimmeollos.R.lrla ocean
plea that every man preferred it next to hfs eWa. So
had received innumerable communications from able and
intelligent men in all quarters of the country, and each
of them thought the measure a very good use, if some-
thing of his own could but be added to it. At Manches-
ter the question had been very ably discussed and ex-
amined, and of course sonic were to be found who ob-
jected to it. lint a very large proportion in that town
considered it worthy of adoption. It was quite dear,
and agreed to on all bands, that some remedy was nu •
cessary, and the sooner it was applied the better.
Mr. MAXWELL was understood to speak against the
Hill.

I'ALCRAFT said, that be was in the daily habit
of receiving a mass of correspondence, which condemned
the measure before the House altogether. Ile agreed
t hat there were serious evils arising out of the present
system of poor laws, but he was fur applying a remedy
to the defective parts, while his Hon. and Learna.l
Friend wished to cut the system up altogether by the
roots.

The Petition was then ordered to lie upon the table.
Upon the question that it be printed,
Sir It. WILSON said, that he should not reply to the
personal remarks which had been made upon him, bnt
tha► he hail felt it his duty to call the public attention
to the Bill as much as possible in order to stop its pro-
gress.
Sir J. NEWPORT considered that the question had
been discussed prematurely, and regretted that it bad
been so. When the time came for it to be brought re-
gularly forward, he hoped it would be discussed more
dispassionately. He was quite sure that what had now
taken place could not tend to advance the true interests
of any class whatever.
Mr. DAVENPORT fully concurred in what had fallen
from the last speaker.
Mr. HUME said be must protest against any 'objec-
tion to give an hour of the time of the House to the con-
sideration of a Petition upon a subject like that which
the present Petition embrs:ed.
The Marquess of I,ONDON DERRY considered that
the subject could not be discussed with any soft of
advantage upon the presentation of a Petition.—(Hear,
hear).
Mr. H. GURNEY spoke against the Bill. If the
House pasted it he should consider the passing of it tb
be an act of flagrant intianity.
After a few further obser►ations from Mr. Scarlett,
Dir. Monck, Mr. F. Palmer, and Sir J. Sebright, the Pe-
tition was ordered to be printed.
Dr. PHILLIMORE presented a Petition from the
Governors of the Infirmary for curing diseases of the
eve, *Nth was referred- to the Committee upon the oph-
thalmic Hospital.
Lord NUGENT moved for returns for the names of
the (Gove•rnors and Liontenant-tiovernors of the Leeward
Islands, with an account of their salaries and all other
emolainents. Also of the Officers of Justice in the said
Islands, nide accounts of their salaries.
WAYS AND MEANS.
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Orderer the Dayfor receiving the Report of the
Committee of Ways and Means.
Mr. serjeant ONSLOW said that the 2d reading of tho
Usury Laws Repeal Hiil stood on the paper, and it was
most important that it should be brought on that night.
Many contracts were standing still in the country until
the 'House should come to a decision upon it, and his
personal honour stood pledged for bringing it forwrid
that sight if possible. He should, therefore, me►, an
amenduseat, that the Order of tho Day for the snood
reading of the Usury Laws Repeal Hill be now read.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said,• that be
hoped to meet in the Hon. and Learned Geatloasan
that spirit of coneiliatiosi which always distinguished
him, and that he would not press his ansendmaat..6--
lie could not but think that the Han. and Lete-
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