The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-04-14 00:00:00

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detation of, the majority of the Irish Protesiee—
Clergy. There wares few whom be found to bestir
liciently acute, furnished with a quick stem in th
pursuit of clerical profits. They were, bout,:
but few—the generality were of a different order'
But the Tythe Proctor was of another specks
1 and another stamp—a factor of public rapine..;
he extended beyond himself the infamy of his galls
leg sad griping character. The Church sagerett
from the officious ministry of those sordid harpies;
The Tytlie Proctor cannot help beiog a T„,1,7
Proctor. He only follows his nature whet;
grinds. But the Clergy should be removed to jealous distance from the contagion of such acmes
action. lie was for going into the COMM(
ter, if
it were only to show the Irish public that thtie
interests were not wholly indifferent to that Reese.
Dr. DUIGENAN vindicated the right of the
Clergy to tythes, and contended that the high
rents of lands, not the pressure of tythes, were
the grievances of Ireland. Andrea had beat said
respecting commutation was irrelevant, kowtow
motion of the Honourable Gerui .011111/1 retarded
only the collection of tythes. The diminution et
the means of the Church would render it impel.
sible to dissolve large unions; and the rest oft
why the Protestant religion had ant made soop
progress in Ireland, was to be found in the seen.
tiness of the provision fur the Church. The 04.
editions and arguments of the lion. Getitlerßal
opposite, were precisely the same as those which
hid been published in a pamphlet by the traitors
Emmet und iVi‘Nesia, in 1797. He that
the weight of tythes was borne by me Roof,
as he contended that the whole fell upon the ianti
proprietor. On ell those grounds he should Ns
against the-motion.

General M. MATIIEW was sorry to find that
the statement made by the Chief Secretary fur Ire.
land, when the llootourable and Learned Gentle.
man ',sag made a Privy Coensellor, was not ad.
hered to. It had then been asserted, that the
Learoed Gentleman should toot be consulted et
any subject but ecclesiastical questions. The
statement had been made by that distil.
guishcd Officer, Lod Wellington; anti it was
generally understood that the Learned Gentian*
had bey' muzzled. To his surprise, however,
he found this muzzled Doctor [Order! Order!]
proposing on- a former occasion to extend
the ballot for the militia to the South of Ire.
lend. As to the question, he agreed to every
thing said by his Hon.. Friend (Mi. Parnell). Ile
had in a former Session a petition to present pint
Tythes ; but on hearing from the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, that ho had it in contemplation to
make some arrangement, he deferred presenting it.
He kept it, however, for the uezt session, know.
lag that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, under
any circumstances, was d slippery person, upon
whom no dependance was to In placed, lie should
write for the motion.
The Gift...M.:MI.OR of the tXCREQUER
had never hold out any confident hope that any at.
inufgemeut could be made for the final adjuttsent
of sido question; neither slid he underseind his
Ron. Friend to hold eat any sangeine expectation
of being able to form such en arrangement before
the neat year.. In place of demanding confidence
ffout the Hon.. Gentleinan opposite, he besought,
them to have coofidence in themselves, sad to
bring forward some plan on the subject. Tiolt
would be much more desirable than to resort to
the farce, the mischievous farce, of proposing to
go into a committee. Several .Gentlemen us both
sides had turned their best attention to the abject
without having been ebb to devise any mode of re.
moving the existing difficulties. The Right Hon.
Gentleman thee proceeded to show that the
right of the Clergy to the tythes could not be
questioned; and that they were entitled to' a full
and adequate compensation. AV ben it .was ad.
rained en The other aide that the Clergy, as a body,
were respectable, it was onfair to add that the
system was. oppressive. Nothing could be tame
mischievous, whether on the subject of Parlia-
mentary Reform, of Catholic Emancipation, or
of Commutation of Tythes, than to move for a
Committee without having any specific plan to
propose. As they had all the information which
they could hope to obtain in the Committee, he
should vote ngsiont the motion.
Mr. HUTCHINSO,N congratulated the Right
Hon. Gentleman on the estimation in which be
should be held in Ireland and in this county, wig.'
'be avowed himself the enemy of these three greet
bleasures-43arlinitieetary Reform, CarhOlieErMAs•
ow)! ation, and Commutatitors of T.,140,... Tlitar*
rlifeusiser tfie9 briefly stated the grounds PPell
he should- vote for the motion. looto. • '
Mr. WILBERFORCE argued in &roots? On
motion. The interests of Ireland he could not
but consider as the interests of Eaginad, sad m
such he would give them all the support is bit
power.
Sir GEORGE HILL opposed the motioe.
held out, in his opinion, a hope to trebled, Alai
ender the present system of Church Gutenlati".
4iouitl not be realised.
The House divided on the original gnestionv
Ayes - 45
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hat do either Majority - 21
' The church 1. COMMITTF.L OF SUPPLY.
and then a The Order or the aty briny read, for the NeeSW
A the wealth Iwolviug itself into a Cummittee of SUpply,
iverty of the Mr. PONSON BY moved,. that tha Udine thy
um, and the now adjourn. After some conversation the me- '
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of a an ' be inotion was seconded, by Mr. THOON.
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