The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-23 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

more tenderness than an Englirh Judge, as the lattera
if complained of, was attacked in his own camp, while
the former was dragged from his connections to an-
swer fur his conduct before u tribunal, to which he
must be comparatively unknown. Laying down this
principle, he should not be disposed to come forward
as an accuser on light grounds. Nothing but a strong
sense of duty would have induced him to take upon
himself the task he was now about to perform. He
Lad of course nothing to do with the private character
of the Chief Baron of the Exchequer in Ireland. He
was well disposed to believe all purity and dignity in
private life : but he shoved, from the case of Lord
Bacon, that purity in private life could not screen a
Judge from inquiry into his public conduct. It was
impossible that such a cue of delinquency could now
be made out against a Judge as bad been made out
against Lord Bacon, any more than it could be shewn
that Members of that House now received money in
the lobby for the votes they were to give in their
places. Such cases grew out of the times in which
they occurred, but he feared in the present instance,
it would be found that many extortions—many exac-
tions of illegal fees had been sanctioned by the Judge,
whose conduct was now called in question, though
no direct bribe had been offered. He then trok
a brief view of the introduction of Courts of Jus-
tice in Ireland, and of the measures adopted
from the time of Elisabeth downwards, to guard
against the exaction of undue and uereasonable fees.
Coming to the year 1814, in which the Commission to
inquire into the state of the Irish Court of Justice, was
first appointed ; he must remark that the appointment
of that Commission was wholly owing to the Right
Hon. Bart. (the Member for Waterfort.) The mo-
tion of the Right Hon. Bart, was strongly opposed by
the Gentlemen on the opposite side of the House, and
was on's+ carried by a majority of one. If there were
one thing in the active and useful life of the Right
Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Newport) for which he envied
him more than for any thing else, it was the simple
and nuns entatious triumph which he had thus ob-
tained, by which without reference to party po-
litics, he had effected an important reform in all the
Courts of Justice. The motion had been opposed not
as improper far Ireland, but the principle bad been ob-
jected to as unfit to he extended to England and Scot-
I end, where uo complaints were heard of the state of
the Courts of Justice. The motion for appointing the
Commission carrild, he was bound to say that the Go-
vt precut had done their best to give effect to the
%%lakes of the Legislature, by naming men of the
higrliest possible character to serve in that Commission.
'1 he Commission had done honour to their appoint.
meet, for lie would say, that for industry, for zeal, and
above all, for indelible integrity, they bad never been
surpassed. He now called the attention of the House
to the Ninth Report, which set forth that there had
been a classification of fees in the Court of Exchequer
in Ireland. The total number was 96.
Of these the number that remained as they were in
I/34 were but •
_ 13

- -
Those the rate of which bad been increased was 38
There had been diminished - - • - 2
There bad been ceased altogether - • - 24
las a w Fees iatioduccd anotagei to - - 19

Total • • • - 96
Those that remained as they had been in 1794 be
would leave out of big consideration. Two it would
be s .en had diminished ia their amount. To the 38
that bail been increased, and to the 19 that had been
introduced, be should call the attention of the House.
'1 he 24 that had fallen into disuse were some of them
consilerable amount, but they only attached to
4 aft% that were of singular occurrence. He then pro-
ceeded to shew that by an Act passed in the reign of
lieorge the First, the fees to be taken by the Lord
Chief Baron or his Clerks, were limited to 21 16s. 2d.
They had of late years been increased to 51. 12s. 7d.
lle knew that fees to the same amount had been taken
by the predecessor to the present Chief Baron ; but
this he contended would not warrant his overlooking
the statute. The Hon. Member read another passage
from the statute, and contended that its language
li-
tnited the fees to be received in this office to 13s. IN.
and he was at a loss to know by what reasoning this
sum could be expanded to the amount now received.
With respect to the chamber fees, he did not intend to
notice them in his resolutions, because they must be
WI in a great degree to the discretion of the Judge.
His second resolution referred to the signature of cer-
tain writs, which had been frequently left un-
signed by the Chief Baron. Fees thus became
chargeable, although the duty had been left
unperformed ; and, indeed, if the duty bad
been performed the fees would not have been
liable. This also was founded upon the Report.
The next charge which he had to prefer against the
Noble Baron was rather more complicated. It related
to the fees upon the taking out exemplification of
decrees; and, according to the present practice, a
double fee was always charged. Yet strange to say.
these double fees were charged upon documents in
some eases which never had any existence. They were
charged upon the commencement of the proceedings,
and whether those proceedings went on or not, the
fees were take., The next resolution was, that fees
were formerly paid in Irish currency, whereas they
were now paid in British currency, which gave an
increase in their amount of one-third per cent. And
bow was this justified? The Chief Baron said, that the
officer had been alwayys in the habit of receiving fees
from the suitor in British currency, and that conse-
quently the public had been no sufferers by the change
of his practice. He contended, that the receiving
the fee in British currency from the officer, was
as bid as the first alteration from the Irish to
the British currency. The Hon. Member then alluded
to the increased fees upon the bills of costs, and fees re-
ceived by the usher and crier of the Court of Nisi Prins,
upon which the Resolutions were founded. He alluded
to the appointment of wee of the Chief Baron's rela-
tives to the taw in the Court, and which offices were,
declared by the Camendisiewers to be in the receipt of
illegal fees. If this were the cue, the Chief Baron was,'
in point of feet, in the receipt of these fees, and became
responsible for their ft ality. With regard to the is
of fees, the Chief Bann stated, that by the 43d
of his late Majesty, the emoluments of his situation had
been nosiderahly dlemisiebed. Now, the situation of
the Chive Juedee of the Mug's Been was4;cred by
that At and the eaesinneetsamessend to . ; *bate
of the Amities of tie Cougilwa Pleas to
__ ,b ;
these of the Lied Chief Dann of the Easheme.ter
EGOIN/i. t that being MK IMO than the one. and
above the amen of the other. The document
appeared as as slow to the Report, he must

my, came before them in s very questionable shape. it
' was only signed by the Lord Chief Baron, whereas, upon
Winer occasions, similar documents were signed by all
the four Barons of the Exchequer. There was one snh•
ject to which be was anxious to call the attention of thr

iionse,e-nd—widch he rorieeiredto be of the most serious
importance. It had lately been matter of complaint,
that returns ordered fromireland were not made with
due regularity ; and if that of which he Lad received
strong and positive information, should prove to be
true, there would be no room for surprise if returns were
not to he madeat all. Some time ago returns were ordered
by tbeHouse respecting certain papers,and theßeport sub-
sequently made was,tloat no such papers were in existence.
The person whose office it was to make returns, went
and showed the report he bad drawn up to the Chief Ba-
ron, and was directed by him to leave out the latter part
of it, as he had not been ordered to report upon his
verbal, but written instructions. If such tatuperings
and suggestions were carried on, ;that a colouring did
the fact give of the whole charges. This Bras the case
which be bad to submit to the Committee. if the Re-
port of the Commissioners of Inquire was not to he act-
ed upon, what was the prospective advantage of send-
ing out that Commission which was about to go out to
inquire into the revenue of Ireland. lie was fully sen-
sible that the Gentlemen who composed that Commis-
sion possessed the confidence of the House, and were.
resolved and capable to perform their duty. At the same
time, the individuals who formed the other Conimission
were equally distinguished by talent and integrity; and
the subject which they were appointed to investigate,
viz. the administration of justice, was paramount to all
others which could come under the notice of Parlia-
ment. Were they then to expect that any good could
arise from sending out such a Commission as that now
io contemplation, if they did not possess the firmness
and courage to act upon the report which gave rise to
the charges lie now. laid before the House. There were
cases in which the Parliament had acted, and in which
the laws had been enforced. There was one of an indi-
vidual who sat upon the bench in the Insolvent Debtor's
Court. After the House had passed its censure in that
case, the individual was removed from leis situation.
There was another case in which a charge was made, in
the Second Report of the Commissioners, against a Gen-
tleman named Pollock, a Clerk of the Pleas in the Court
of Exchequer. This Gentleman, be believed, Imre an
unimpeachable character, with the exception of havitog
committed the darling offence of receiving illegal fees.
'lbis case was brought into the Court of Exchequer, and
tried before the Chief Baron, who, upon the charges
being proved, removed Mr. Pollock from his situation.
Now he contended that these charges were of a similar
nature to those advanced against the Chief Baron him-
self by the Ninth Report of the Commissioners. It must
be obviously clear to every one that it was utterly im-
possible for the matter to remain where it was, assuming
a case of delinquency to be made out. In fact, the
Chief Baron himself, in his letter, stated that he could
not consent to such a course.—(Hear '.).—The Hon.
Member concluded by moving a series of Resolutions
founded upon the Report, and embracing all the charges
which he had specified above.
Captain O'GRADY rose fur the purpose of opposing
the Resolutions one and all. In meeting the charges
which had been preferred by the Hon. Gentleman he
had to claim the indulgence of the House, because he
had no claim whatever to trespass upon so much of
their time as would he necess .ry for such a tack. In
addressing that or any other public assembly, be was
out of his element.--(llear.) Ile c,ould not accept the
compliments which the Huts. Gentleman had paid to
the Chief Baron's talents, when in the same breath he
denied his integrity. He would always be ashamed to
receive compliments upon reptation at the expense of
integrity; and more particularly wheri that integrity
was said to have been sacrificed for the sake of what
he conceived to be such inconsiderable exactions. lie
was convinced that the Commissioners had inserted
nothing in their report but that which they thought
to be right, and consistent with their public duty. But
they were not men qualified to examine into the
minutiae of the regulations of a Court of Justice. It
was from the embarrassments into which they were led
upon this account. that the mis-statements contained
in their report had arisen, and it was his intention to
impute no other motives to them whatever. With re-
spect to the Officer of the Court of Exchequer, whose
case bad been mentioned by the Hon. Gentleman. He
was proceeded against by the Attorney-General, and
not upon the Report, which was pronounced by the
Judges to be an illegal document, as far as the found-
ing of any criminal prosecution upon it was concern-
ed. It was illegal, because it was grounded in pro-
ceedings which compelled individuals to criminate
themselves upon oath. There was another case which
the Hon. Gentleman had overlooked, where an officer
of the Court of Common Pleas hail been proceeded
against in consequence of charges made in this very
Report, and the allegations were completely disproved,
and the officer acquitted without the slightest imputa-
tion being cast upon his character. This was sufficient
to prove what sort of authority the Report was, for en-
tering into judicial proceedings. With respect to any
increase of fees, the Chief Baron had a right to col-
lect any fees which were due by law, although his pre-
decessor might have neglected to do so. The fact was,
that unfortunately his predecessor was very remiss in
those matters. He did not think it very extraordina-
ry that in noticing this Ninth Report, the Honour-
able Gentleman had jumped over every previous one
that hall been made, notwithstanding that some of
them contained similar charges against the Courts of
King's Bench and Common Pleas. The Hon, Member
looked over the same facts in those Courts, which, when
he discovered them to exist in the Court of Exche-
quer, were high misdemeanours. sad matters which
called for the Resolutions now laid upon the table.—
He would refer the Committee to the letter of the Chief
Baron upon the subject of Sheriff's fen. It was there
stated as a matter of law, that Snb-Sheriffs did not
come within the meaning of the Act of Parliament.—
For the validity of this opinion, the Chief Baron had
not only his own experience and knowledge of the law,
but the practice of his predecessor was also in his favour.
He conceived that the construction which the Judges
of the land put upon the Act, would be received as the
law of the land, and not that of the Commissioners who
made this report. With respect to the Sheriffs fees,
said to have been reeeived by the Clerks, that was
undoubtedly a subject which required investigation.—
But bow could it apply to the conduct of the Chief
Baron? It was certainly a most insignificant and
futile ground for the impeachment of one of the Judges
of the laud. He shmald now address himself to the
complaint respecting the Fess of the Secoodaries Olice;
and upon this part of the rise he thought it sulkiest to
observe, that there was no case in which a fee was
taken by the Lord Chief Baron in which there was not
else taken by the Chancellor of dm Exchequer. The
oath of the Chief Baron was by so means inconsistent

with the practice of his predecessors. This he sub-
mitted troitld be obvious to any Honourable Member
who would gibe himself the trouble to read the
oath. With respect to the complaint arising out of the
charges for copies of Bills and Decrees, this stood upon
the same ground. It was a right enjoyed immemorially
by the predecessors of the Chief Baron. The charges
made upon transfers appeared to be a crime in the Court!
of Exchequer, and no crime in the Court of Chancery.
This was a charge justified even by the Committee, and
would be, if the Chief Baron waved it, an injustice to
himself and his successors. He now came to the tines-
tion of English and Irish money. The fees in the first
instance were received in English, and paid to the
Judges in Irish money; but the Judges made an order
that the fees should be paid in the same money in which
they were received. The complaint on the ground of a
commutation of fees, was certainly novel. In Ireland
it had been the subject of compensation, but in Englanu
it was made the subject of impeachment. The book of
173.1 was generally considered time standard for fees ;
and it had been resorted to by the Judges, and adopted
by the Committee. Some variations had been made,
but the Committee declared themselves incompetent to
decide upon their propriety ; and surely it would not be
proposed to decide the question in the shape of an im-
peachment. One of these variations Consisted of an ad-
dition of sixpence halfpennyupon affidavits its the Court
of King's Bench. This alteration had been made by
the verbal order of Lord Kilwarden, and this order was
considered sufficient to justify the addition. The charge
of a guinea for Commissioners for taking bail had re-
mained six years unnoticed by the Committee, and it I
was not unfair to conclude either that it was not con-
sidered improper, or that the Committee had not
paid sufficient attention to the subject ; and if the latter,
it took away the weight of their Report. The Hon.
Member then concluded by thanking the House for the
patient attention they had shewn him. The task he
load undertaken he kne►► his incompetency to perform;
and in fact be bad approached the subject unwillingly.
—(llear.)-11e was sensible he had committed many
errors, aid overlooked many topics, but he trusted such
lion. Nleamhers as belonged to the Learned Profession
would supply his defects. It must naturally be sup-
posed that his feelings were warmed to the highest de-
gree, as he was engaged in the defence of every thing
be held most dear, a name which, he trusted, would de-
scend unsullied and which so unsullied, he considered
as the proudest inheritance.—(Cheers.)
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, the charge
had been opened very distinctly, and bad been answered
in a manner which evinced a desire to give the
House every explanation which it might require, in
order to any future proceedings. The case, however,
necessarily led to much detail ; and for himself be was
free to say, that he was compelled to look at the ques-
tion under many disadvantages from his want of legal
acquirements. At present he could not come to any dis-
tinct conclusion, and he thought every Member ought
to be enabled to see his way through this important sub-
ject. He would suggest, that in order to bring the
whole of the facts clearly before the House, the Com-
mittee should be kept alive ; and that for that purpose
the Chairman be directed to report progress, and ask
leave t• sit again. He wished for no tannecessarydelay•
He thought it would be improper. But be repeated,
that he was not able without further elucidation either
to affirm or deny the resolution.—(Hear.)
Mr. RICE said belted not the slightest wish to throw
any obstacles in the way of information, or to urge the
question with undue precipitancy. He was happy to
meet the suggestion of the Noble Marquess; but he
begged to suggest that some course might be taken
without involving the Committee in an opinion on the
merits.

!air. ABERCROMBY cordially agreed with the Noble
Marquess, that every information should be obtained
before deciding on this important case. Justice alike
to the individual accused, as to the public interest, de-
mended this caution, and he therefore thought the
House at present should abstain from expressing any
thing like an opinion. He could not sit down without
observing that the Hon. Member for Limerick (Mr.
Rice) had conducted the proceeding in a manner which
reflected the highest honour on himself. and must so-
w* the conciliation of all.

Mr. WYNNE said, the House was under the greatest
obligation to the Hon. Member for Limerick, for the
temper with which he had opened the question. He had
divested it of all party feeling, and of every thing likely
to inflame the passions. It world, he (Mr. Wynne)
thought, be highly disadvantageous to come to a decision
in so thin a House, and he really trusted that Hon.
Members would in the future stage of the ease pay more
attention to their public duty. He should not like to
give additional currency to the charge, ►y pronouncing
an opinion in its present stage; but as *very day was
now of importance in the Session, he wished to know
what day was proposed for reneger the question.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, he would,
with the permission of the House, same Tuesday next.
He therefore moved as an amendment, that the Chairman
do report progress, and ask leave to sit again on
Tuesday.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, he so fully agreed in
the suggestion that no opinion should be pronounced
, hastily, that ).e would propose that the Resoletion
should not be printed. They were taken from the Re-
port itself, and every Member bad access to that.
Mr. ELLICE thought it would have been better to
decide on the case at once if every Member could have
formed his opinion; bat as that appeared to be imprac-
ticable, he thought the charge was likely to remain un-
decided for the present Session. In that case he thought
it impossible that the Chief Baron could discharge his
official duties in the interim.

..cease Mr. BATHUILST agreed in the propriety of obtain-
ing further information, and concurred in opinion with.
the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir J. Newport) that the
Hesitation engin mot to be prialed.
Mr. NOLAN thought it ispeoliMe for the Hone* to
to anydeelsion in the present Session. Nothing,
however, appeared is the charge, whisk maid in his
opinion ineapaeltate the Chief Bares trosap_orfonoi agile
judicial dads. in the interim. No (Mr. N.)_ mold ass
avoid somplainlog oi the allusion tie Non. Number bad

made Whim, assuming that he was to be the
the Chief Baron.

The Marquess of Losnoximuay tail, oat the
House wonid on Tuesday be enabled to judge nlietlal
they could decide the question this Session.
Mr. RICE, in cxplanatinn, disclaimed. any offensive
allusion to the lion. Member (Mr. Nolan.) Re beggei
to acquiesce in the Amendment.

The Amendment was then agreed to, and the Homo
resumed. The Chairman reported progress, and obtain:
ed leave to sit again on Tuesday.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY moved the first
reading of the Bill for making a provision for the Babe
of Clarence. The Noble Marques. said he was ilistruct:
•d by his Royal Highness to convey his thanks to th 4
House for the Resolution.

The Bill was then read a first time, and ordered to W
read a second time on Monday next.

AUSTRIAN LOAN.

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY moved, that !hi
Hoarse do resolve itself into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. R. SMITH said lie had to move for certain Pape"
connertesl with the Austrian lean. The paper, for th
produriioo of which lie was most anxious, ass a In:
patch from the Anstrian Government in Meng, iglu
It contained the reasoning of Count Metternich, upon
nhich Austria contended she was justified in not
treat
col..
sidered the money in question as a loan. That it was
sidered as a loan by this country, was evident frouttti:.
declaration of Mr. Pitt in that House. said that it
was a loan in the face of all the world, and that ti,„„
was no reason for supposing that Austria wneld have
ideah
hono
that a at
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oneoid.d:liwepirPrlitligieelhoidilreioteth:efartie.iiilEs::::isti.igennsi
leaawu,nlawiddi
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wcapuocreriedhdnozrafie:renr Stewart,gnmpi
ilaane dtiyiilsnihenhzury T e
and4l e:s
c,i3nnoitoitrreswe.rreatesitsoopootrnatn,oowdfneehinneice :
away by feelings of misplaced liberality. He (WS.)
thought it was the particular duty of the House,
in the present distiessed state of the country, to gire
its attention to the übjpc t That distress was proved
ton clearly by the joy arliieh Lai been sloe's by the
repeal of a tax of 500,1100/. a-year, and by the sos-
gestion which had been made to affect our national
credit, by increasing the interest of our national debt.
Upon the latter question he should not presume to give
an opinion. Ile merely referred to it to slew hew
great must be our distress, the existence of which bad
been admitted by the celebrated Agricultural Repor.
In fact, no country had suffered by the-war so used as
England ; and no country, he believed, bad gaited by
it so much as Austria. The latter had paid off a cm.
siderable part of her national debt; but the justelsie
of this country she denied altogether. The elm,/
poverty therefore could net be made available, ems
if it existed, for Austria denied the debt is &tins. Is
Isecure the payment of this debt, Austria in the ant
instance had professed to give the Netherlands as a
pledge ; and Lord Grenville on this part of the subject
had informed his Imperial Majesty, that the indivi-
duals who had advanced the lean considered they bad
eqnitable claims upon the security. The fact, bow-
ever, was, that Austria, on being applied to fee a
quantity of timber in part reduction of the Lou, re-
fused the limber, and denied the debt altogether. Any
one who should hereafter trust to the faith of the en•
gagement of the Austrian Goverment would only
meet with derision for his pains. The withlaeldiagef
the paper he was about to move for would be as act of
injustice to the Austrian Cabinet, by leaving the world
to form those unfavourable conclusioas which per-
baps this document might remove. The Hoe.Gettle-
man concluded by moving that an humble address be
presented to his Majesty, praying that be will be gra-
ciously pleased to order to be laid before the Haas
the Copy of a Dispatch from the Hon. Robert Gerdes,
mentioned in a Dispatch from Lord Stewart, dated
Vienna, the .sth of September, 1818, which contains
the Declarations of Prince Metteraich to the Bender
Ambassador, to the effect that the debt contracted by
Austria to England in 1798, was never expected to
reclaimed by this country.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, as is
Hon. Member had not concluded with a motion which
at all involved the merits of the question, he would ash
abuse the patine' of the House by entering into a es-
mission of those merits, but merely state the growls
upon which he should oppose the motion. It ought set.
however to escape the recollection of the House that
somethnis in palliation of the conduct of Austria might
be urged in the period at which this loan was made, gad
the struggles she bad since been engaged in; in com►
queueseebofnn a state which it might
to repay th
easilybohse
money.thatewn I
tmi
shelud
never itt
also be shewn in favour of Austria, that the Oovassiest
of this country had frequently, since the termittaties
the war, for the maintenance of which this less vow
required, made payments of subsidies to Austria Isith"t
any deduction on the score of the loan. Pk IS104:1
hesitation for his own part in saying, that be ad
this money as a debt due by Austria to this Ogre
ain
and he did not think that Austria would 'and
ehnotneornedr a bi
al etoposoi oniteo fareiew::: ;es:fee:et
amount of its principal and interest
pride* from us for debt. dtwebtes.trowns
twhiethwoarklis, acountintlitrys,
regularly received a bassi
cmoiallniotrnys
did
dnnot isteared
cofenetot"bat the w
large asuhomle, fmandanthacesbeeef leek
should be able to obtain for an iinasediate denoted et
oplithrear.entiHewoWnallid rebseday(*teinaUti,natoftremsesatkeiDdtinteor ,
that
the question had never been discussed
with the Amulet
Cabinet, with that formality which its nature demsolled•
It was his intention, however, to press the matter is a
proper form. The question was of a natore mete fit
for discussion in the Cabinet than in Parliament, which
he thought would rather operate as an impediment fs
the isegociation instead of placing it upon
a hettes

footing,
Mr. WARRE acknowledged the trnth of all the his.
torical facts relative to this Austrian loan. 'dated bY the
Noble Marquess; bat as the Noble Martinelli spoke of tks
dismission of the subject is that Honge being ill
diluent to negoriation, at the same time that be objected
to the provost dismission, lie wished to know whetkr
the House might be permitted to flatter themsehes fro
those espressions that a negotiation was actimili

pestling ?
The Marquees of LONDONDERRY replied (0 "
astlentood) that no negoeiation had a< yrt bero•
Mr. WARD did nag think that A mina nag thit


to tests of liability to perform her obligations to
this toiletry that was represented. He did not mean to
ley that she was able to pay off the 21 millions at once,
oe even in one, two, or three years ; but in spite of those
wire and venerable forms of mal-administration for
which she was so highly distinguished, she was possesed
of great resources, which might be made available to the
eidesiption of bee plighted honour. As to the will of the
Austrian Cabinet being equal to its power, was a question
ant so be decided in the same way. He believed there was
so much teases to fear that the Monarch of that kingdom
Meet bo as little scrupulous about keeping his faith in
*payment of his debts, as he had shown himself in de-
poling his grandson, and in making his daughter a.
wows by banishing his son-in-law. It was really impos-
otie to ascribe to Austria any just grounds for her coo-
lie towards the French Emperor. The same con-
iket was Ostia Rassia,just in Prussia, just in England,
bat is Austria it was the grossest injustice, the
blackest perfidy, and the most cowardly ingratitude.—
The Emperor of Austria had some of the noblest cities
sae pavilion under what was termed, he supposed, in
dial., his paternal dominion. From these he drew
aeon scats of money for the support of his capital ; for
an his mu was consumed in pelf. He could not for a
moment glee in the idea that Austria bad not a dollar
in bur pocket to pay to this country something towards
annuli of that inoney, by the timely aid of which its
mew& lad been saved from being hurled from the
oltose el hissecestors by the French Ruler. He did
not rely ea the honour of the Austrian Administration,
Ale they bed disclaimed the intention of paying. He
caw netbelp thinking, however, that the friendship of
Oie vestry was of too great service to thew to abaft-
dos ens for the congenial temptation of a successful
freed.—(A laugh.)—England could do without that
mighty people, and would be able to withstand the
shock, even if they were to number themselves amongst
her 'armies. But could Austria who owed her present
ascendancy, such as it was, to England, say as much ?
110 country was wore hated than Austria. It was hated
by Russia, hated by Prussia, hated by Italy, and
France. It was despised and hated by its equals and
seperiors as perfidious and contemptible—by its infe-
riors as merciless oppressors. It was hated by Poland,
and by its ancient hereditary dominions of the Tyrol,
whom conduct in the history of late wars formed one
of the highest pages. Not a drop of blood would be
shed, nor an arm raised from that country, liewever in
future in favour of Austria. With respect to the non-
payment of the loan due to this country, lie could only
cooceive that such an act of barefaced insolent injus-
tice would be contemplated by Austria in the expects-
tinn of impunity. He trusted his Majesty's Ministers
mold take pains to convince them to the contrary, and
relying that they would do so, he should vote against
the motion.

Mr. J MP'S supported the motion.
Mr. K. SMITH said, that after what had fallen
from the Noble Marquess opposite, lie considered it to
be hi. duty to request permission to withdraw his
motion.
Mr. JAMES could not permit the motion to be with-
drawn.

After a few words from Lord Mt wroN and Mr.
JAstr.s, the latter gare up his opposition, and the mo-
tion was withdrawn.

IRISH MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES.

The House thee went into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. C. OKANT submitted to the Committee the
items on the Irish Miscellaneous Estimates which re-
mained to be voted.

Amongst those sgree4l to were the following :
To defray the expense of the Pollee of Dublin - Z 23,000
In ald of the Schools established upon voluntary
contributions

The Salaries of the Commissioners for Inquiring
in the Fees, &c. of Courts of Justice in Ireland 6,000
Mr. GORDON asked how much longer these Com-
missioners were likely to sit? Ile believed they bad
but one more Court to investigate.
Mr. C. GRANT was nut able to answer the tines-

tion of the Hon. Member. Although there was only
qoe more Court to examine, the inquiry tended to the
✓ministration of justice in General throughout the
country, and the Commissioners would have to call all
the Sheriffs and, Clerks of Peace before them.
The followisigrants were then voted :
For the Hama Department. Ireland
For the Connaliaori..
The P

. . Z9R,A32
99.6 It

.
of the Army Im Inland - 10,000
MISCELLANEOUS CIVIL ESTIMATES.

Mr. ARM] THNOT then moved grants in supply
for the following services :
Deficiency for printing copies of the 78th Volume
of the Journals
11e Salaries of the Cow
vent Debtors' Court

,el,OOll

of the boot-

hr the expense of tin Alin Ogee. and the Su-
perannuation of Ogeers belonging to it -
Salaries of certain Professors at Oxford and Cam-
bridge - -

Panslois to French Protestant Refugees -
Counetssionets of sundry Improvements in Holy-

WO Rasa

3,400

41,1116

923
7,236

All the items in the above Estimates having been
P through, the House resumed, and the Rport was
Ordered to be received tomorrow.
The remaining orders of the Day were then read.