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' " the Onset for white liaitsu,ra fell it the *ld, and BrairrAistes !kW. seareld "

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wield become of the independeeee of the Ministers
of the Crown, if they were to be permitted to go
to the East India Company, and ask for a grant of
nxibeyler one of their own colleagues? Why did
they not come to the House of Commons, if such a
grant was desirable ? it. was but two or three Ses-
sions ago that the East India Company, applying
fora loan, obtained from that House two millions
and a half, getting 500,0001. more than they re-
quired, and that by the means of a Minister of the
Crown, who, the next year, solicited them to give
20,0001. to one.of his own colleagues. All these
!circumstances loudly called for an expression of the
HOUSE OF COMMONS. sense of Parliament. The transaction was corrupt
Lard CASTLEREAGH brought up several wipers „have . to its conception and mischievous in its consequences ;
to Naples, which were ordered to lie no the table. and feeling as he did upon it, he felt it his duty to
The SPEAKER reque.ted to inform the House, that in m i
i. move Resolutions to the following effect : sequelme of n i.ullitiens number of Memben o:ot hoeing attended
yesterday, to forin a ballot an the Howliparrick Electing) Peti- " That in tramming the letter alluded to to the Chairman
t!noreffn'td *mires and irden had levre dropped. met is 00014 of the East Wits Goatees'', the President of the Commission-
evs for tbe Atkin of India had acted contrary to the spirit of
tom-more, remain far Use Home to deiensioe la wbut magnet
tbey'sloadd 0e disposed of. the Act of the "Mb of the King, chap.% fic. *verse orders were then read, and postponed.
The Fahe !veiglits and Measures Bill went through a Caw . " That the Home could not bet loot with jealousy en such a
educe, and the report was ordered to be Wien into consident••• kvish expeuditere on is Minister of the Crown, as well as on
tion no Friday se'nrught. an intercourse between the President of the said Commis-ion-
The report on the Clackasanoao Gaol Bitl was ordered to be
en and the East India Company, eakulated to be highly detri-
lopensidered ta-morrow. - . '
mental to the pubtur servile, eltc. Ike.
! -On the motion of Lord CASTLERF.AOH, It was resolved
that the Hoene should go into a'Costimitiee oa the Local Militia Mr. WALLACE rose, and expressed his relent
Oill to-morrow. , to the mode in which the Noble Lord introduced the
I. The Etetrequer Pending Bill was read a second time, sand
' ordered re het rotnisitiedto-morra w. , subject, considering it in a constitutional, not a
A Verage from the Lords stated their Lordthipe anent (I, personal view, although he wholly dissented from
the Irish A"sened' %Res Bill, and several other Public and the view which the Mover embraced and was
Private Bills. 1
Mr. Huse presented an account or the Balances of Public thoroughly convinced.that no job appeared in the '
Massey In the hands of the Bank of Engload, since she year . transaction, nor was it in the slightest degree a vio.
NO.—Ordered to be primed.
On the motion of toe CHANCELLOR oft* It XCII EQUEH. latiou of the spirit of those Acts to which allusion
the under of die day for she Collo( the wise wo that day.wes . bad been made. He would also contend, 'WOG,
disc •• withstanding What had beets said, that the letter
TtigliSAK FR obeerved, that the order et* ft AO gm
Tuesday nest tweaked iu force. , , . i *as a private one: but even supposing it to be of a
MAJOR-GI:HERM. PAKENHAM. I publiceature, she'woold maintain, that, it was net
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General GASCOIGNE enquired, 'whether it was its cootraverithen of the duty ef the Board of Cps.
the intention of Government to propose the erection trout. The Hen. Gentleman quoted several paw
a monsmeut to the memory of Major-General sages from the AO, which originated the Board
Pakenham ? lof Controul, , its support of this opinion. They were
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that however see 4... empowered, not only to advise and recommend
torious might be the character of that lamented certain propositions to the East India Company,
Officer, or however distinguished kii,s services, yet hot if these were not within a gives time transmit-
the particular occasion on which he-lost his valuable ted to their fore** possessions, to send them for-
life was not of that description which could justify , ward by their own authority. The Hon. Gentle-
his Majesty's Ministers in proposing to record it by . man dwelt oen,siderably upon tile injurious effects
a public Monumetit. 1 which would prise if the Company were disentitled
General GASCOIGNE was preceding to argue to conies; with the Board of Controul relative to the
reward . .
upon the propriety of erecting a snouument to his 9r 1 meritorious servants, nltheugh these may
memory, when ' (slot be strictly in their immediate establishment.
ThiSPEAKER nittleded.MM that there weihess:44 proltlltitiou was intendef/01 elhould be stated
questfirtilletere the House. ' i• . F.O Atiect ,and posiilee -terms, and not be left to
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. General GASPOIGNE then gave notice, tbet he ',mash fanciful constructions as were adopted by the
should, en Monday nett, move an Address to the ,het'
Prince Regent:
The SP'.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

110 USE OF LORDS, KAY W-
illi.. Kingston presented at the bar a i•eton Of the Reverato
of the Ens. loan Company.
The Militia Amendment Bill, the Irish Eirelea___,...__Allimmillll4o4llto
Irish Aaseued Taxes Bill, *A the East kiln
were rend is third time.
Tbe Scotch Mad-houses Bill wits re•coramittea, Ind (BB 4-
pen ordered to be !Insight op to-morrow.
The Scotch Hawkers and Pedlar.' Regulation Bill mat read
a second time; and ordered lobe committed to-morrow.
On the motion «f the Mamas of LANSDOWNE,tMeider
respecting Lori Roseberry's Divorce Bill was dibcharged, and
the Bill ordered to be re•committed to-morrow.--Adjoaned.

atialltier
sit en Month
No other
nourable gene'
Sir J. N_
which lie had
in Ireland
he therefore
presented, w
words from. Mr. PEEL.
Mr. BIRCH moved for an account of the receipt
and alsborlanninte of the dock and light duties of the
port of Liverpool, for the lases 1813, 14414.—0 r.
sawed, afters fess übiktwations frays the Chancellor
pf the Exbehrsuer. Newport, General Gas-
coigne, And Mr. Bennett.
imwIPAT.RtCK ELECTION.
Mr. W.' Ley one of the Clerks of the Reese,
brought tip the names of the Members upon whom
aketba4sst had fatten, for the Committee to enquire
into the matter of the Downpatrick Election. The
names were as follow :
A. Butter Esq.

of 17.4 end
gsITSHED KEENE
onr empire in Jodie depended
,of this country, independent
force of moral • agency.
',sedation of our *adsorb)
1111111111.141 to the"nisoniod ettergado)
by •the late Lord Melville, whey'
greatest benefactor of odia.
such a light, he had voted ovigivielly,
for the grant, and he should
Lion that would tend•to question
[Hear, hear !]
Lord A. ElAMlLTON•conceived
every mark of publicity that •
Ousted from a public office,
lic subject' and wis attended
quencei aod influence of a public
lirgrirdlng it as such, he wookl con.
a Minister, and censure it as
Ministerial discretion: -

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And why should the same recommendatory Our
be refused to the President of 41te Board of Csei;,-.
tronl, standing in somewhat a similar relation taKilk
the Directors and Proprietors of the East Ind
Company ?It the .rights of Parliament were tte4
infringed in the one case, how Could those Of
Company be violated in the other? But though
he would contend that such a 'recommendation in- ,
volved no violation of any right, it was unnecessary'
to entertain the question at present, as no such cirt
eumstanoe ever had occurred. The commonict,
lion was by no means official, nor had it thou
marks of publicity which were rendered necessary
by the Act of Parliament. The Noble Lord heal
remarked on its having been dated from the Board
of Controol, and thence drew a triumphant argu-
ment in proof of its official character. Bot this cir-
cumstance could have little weightirtilt thisalrlio
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considered that the Commissionera. err 4, Nei of

W. R. Carter

Esq.

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WIN H..a. C:flathntss J. Ilregden, Esq. their time at the Board, and won a nitre y date, I Lord CASTLEItEAGFIk
W. altsh'itieb, Esq. • J. M ,rrvat, Esq.
M Barne. E.q. ' •.C: Buller. Esq. efess tlkeir private letters, from the place in which it were not to judge whether the,
H. S. Cteakkab, gsg. J. V. fazakartr, Bag: was, smitten. He, for one, should be extremely ' not ; that question shouldhe
C. ,VV.ilfon. I.:*.q. H..Wrolievlev. Esq• sorry to have all the private letters written and dated , whose property was involved by ~
.1: laolland, EA. G. Mulford. Esq.
it. sltlwright. Pp. thence by himself, brought under, the inspection of , He dwelt, with particular emphasis,
They were alt sworn as usual. the Hogp of Commons. But let the terms of the I expressed by Mr. W. Keene,
Lord PALMERSTQN presented the Army Esti. letter / oosidered, and. its style would be found ,' perience and large propetty '
mates for the year lilli, and gave notice that he widely erent oratitat of an official communica- 1 titled him to every attention ...
should move them on Friday se'nnight. tion. here also certain other circumstances . tended, that the grant oftweeiy,
• GRANT TO LORI) MELVILLE. attending the let er, which may tend to the clearer actual services w•as perfectly
Lord MILTON rose, pursuant to notice, to bring , development-of its nature and object. The causeof " dee administration" of ate t.
under the consideration of the House the grant of it was meutioned In a printed statemeot of. Mit4 ' gutted iri•lheeseth of the -00Visissiiiltinevii
20,0001. which had been made to Lord Melville. by' Thornton, Chairman 'of the Court of Direct Ors, in both lititetter and spirit of
the East India Company. He wished to be 'under. i which he saYat that it originated in a private conver- oompietely oweerred. He
stood as bringing forward the question merely on sation between him and the. Ifeatd_ of Coatrottl ; sod . means of communicating the .
public grounds, and not from any personal feelings that Mr,. Thornton,' having wished .to aseeetaie ihe , connected with the adraimistratiL.
of hostility towards either of the Noble Lords who opinion of the Beard of Cosiiroul, piniogego leaking theughttkat mith,previoengoiniSwesc.....
were the objects of it. The first regular informa. the proposition of the great .in the Coart of Direc• measure pregnant with elsitifiblinlialllify
tion which the House had; or could have, of the tors, he requested thg.,l,4sident to convey tbat ter conld sot be wasidereillti: -
transaction,' was from the letter which the Earl of opinion in writing, mnitbejetter was the necessary origin or ceetegoineri'v k •grow .
Buckinghamshire, the President of the Board of result. This was theolifen of 'this serious business: cOmstance, and wet arteltiffel
Contreul, had addressed to the Chairman of the it wes intended for. no object—was, followed by no Court of Dtrietistelgiftr So-
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Court of Directors, recommending the grant to consequences—end Iss, ,iii gubstance, nothing more grant of the imetaiietur flfdi
that Board • and the chief ground upon which he than a minute of conversation. Reverting to the Court of Propribloes. • Could if MI f dial'
rested his. :lisapprobation of the measure, was the Acts by which the Itoerd of Controul was established, dee influence was exercised
fact of the Fast India Company granting a sum of the.best mode of ascertaining its spirit would be to fourteen Gentlemen who sal
money to a person or'ho had never been the servant consider the proceedings of the Court of Directors in.. As td the favour or attention
of the Company. This, he contended, was in yin. all former cases where grants were agsto to remunertte , iniltretteethe Board of Cootrodl
lation of the Act under which the Company hid re. distinguished services. The grant to rte Mihto, Ms. , their oaths, he denied the Inispasii
ceived its Charter. That was the gravamen of the Ormsby, anti other persons, were ou the same prigs:, I'M it a mete colouring threw's',
whole charge. Lord Melville being a servant of the ciple as that to Lord Melville; and it they were re !eon. The advice 'wafAiffe
Crown, and net of the kAit India Company, he had consider that the Act itself was brought in by tlori ! perhapa a similar imPeli.,
no right to receive a gratuity from that body and Melville, it would be the best commentary on the' performed by the Riga' Ibis
still less had the East India'Company a OW _to advice, sad prove it not 4 be a violation of its prin- ' Newport-) when lfr Eitlice,'ylet,
make that giant at the soggeitien of the Noble Lord ciptes. If the grant were improper, he .acknow.. i most conscientleeilt. He r
at the head of the Board of Contrast. Whoever 'edged that the
_persons recommending it would be I the motion:- " ,if '
remembered the history of the formation of .that liable to console, and he would likewise admit, that • Sir 4.7:,KOWPORT-i—c, 'lr!
Board, must recollect that the great -object of: its the efetnitileilhce of onit Minister lasing Wiciir-oftended to taibe'esit Wifiaton to'ileArtizis
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establishment was to, prevent the lavish ,expendite ll'le favoserairanotter„ wits, prianifacieitth object fCnitstfenat'lt eat. .do no .
ii pow., :At a:
of the Past India Company, *ad to. ch .hoer a ' °elf safpicirirt ;, but 'he eepemed,'lon We' unktigomqi talisearoti....
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check the *atiffai 'Attires .0t to' SiehuN. (bit it would be concedesi-to hisn,-thsl,-iir Allegtild SW, 4,,virrp.tiatinrua
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were merited by any individual,
his being a Minister should
tion. It would indeed be
raised himself to a post of
and his worth, he should
enjoyed by every other
Gentleman then entered
public conduct of the late
cluded by opposing the motion.
Sir J. NEWPORT contended
the President of the Board
ground of the grant which
property of the late Lord
his debts, and that the prese,
made himself responsible
therefore, was a very diferent
merits or deroesits of the late
whether a President of a Booed
meat to controul any undue
tion of money, ought to advise
inc riltirowst colleague',
him frog► his falba', debt%
hiasselLresponsible. The precedent
Right Hon. Gentleman (M,
studs of the Board of Comma
to the present case—they
or their widows for military
produce& single instance of
commendiag s grant to .
from these records? What
granting public money for
vices ? It was impossible,
danger of making such gram
by Ministers either in or out
contended by the Right
weld be elsowt, from the
was competent to the President of
trout ter make inch a recommendation.
Hon. Gentleman ought to
to have not ally shown that
was proper. The services
had been rendered to the pm
and not as a servant of the
and if it was thought that .
sufficiently rewarded, the remuneration
been granted by the House,
of the Crown. He contended
granted by the Company at -
unable to pay the stun stipulated .
The recommendation had originated -
venation between the Prrsit4ll46e 1114;ard
trout and the Chairman of
When the lette► was comic
Directors; they showed the
to the Orders
brovght before
the recoviatendatiou!e(

gent.
'EAKEIt informed hiallia mast take some
far kis aeotiessw.ll.
aday.
er day, however, •
general.
et
ITEWPORT cotn. PION.
had mowed for • Duties
ti.
I had not yet been rt. le3 and
>re moved, that the, be forthwith
, which was ordered actordiney, after a few
s,_ novr

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Noble Lord7—such indeed as were wholly unautho. led it, by passing
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rised and. envecessary for that species of security matter was broeg
affordtprby Act of Parliament to the funds of the ; coming with all tI
Cempaoy. • Who weolst ose it any
of the % • Iflytuence of ttir*Cri
insistityof
ticiecommend to the fionsevf Commons the grant against it.
10si particular sum in reward of public services?—, Mr. WHITSII

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be severe, if, after having.
of cou6dence by hit Ideal
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Ibe denied the advents& * 4..i4.-",'
person. The Right IMO \st'
into a panegyric eamotett ! --: -
4 Lord Melville, eadib'
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ntencied that the lettei•-lif
d of Controls' statedei the
h he recommended" thathilit
Melville was isiodeetieW le
reseat Lord. Melville bad
for them. TIM goetioni .
orent oae fromi that • of Ail
late lard Moslvele. li-eree,
Booed appaintstOrfintilltho • ',
foe and e
lire" l impeepleteppillele . .
id gruhrtaits
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tai lee whits! I* . ..•
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• precedent -eiletettity the - • Hr. Wallace) `MeV thane-
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avant, •were' 40plicable
Were:greats to d d'tisre Mg . •
Liy eervicett. Bt* *mid hi
of on. Clobinet Mikohmor-stm
another Cehinieftiliefesee .
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oat denser Could teem Wrist ..
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or naval wet iellitstry illtrft • ::,
r, however, iter•Welle the .
ants for senta‘ellatdered .
out of ..Parllatioattit. -", It was ,
Hon. Gentleinat4 that It ,•:,
Act of .Pstrliateent, that it
oldest of the board of Ca..
mmendation. But the Right •
i tandem. more—he oeght
hat it was legal, bat that it
s of the late lard Melville
public as a public 'errant, '
he East India Company ; . .
these services had net been •
remuneration ought to have
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le, at the recommendation • i
Wei that this reward wee
it a time when they w.
oilated for to the publico—:
Trotted boa private doom , •
s toithe Board of OW"
' the Conet-of gerwitortla4 , fo,:•
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ounieeted et the Cattalo!, ',''.•
• sense in which they visit:. .
Ctrdirrs of the Day. ^'n .
the Proprietors, sod "yet
inendation !of the to mini ht.
ilveltien srws silty earths*
ad 440 Prrietosp voted
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lid se eLopityalail
of of the, Bennet 11•14eeftti
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ty, woe oiling' in a‘r i •
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nergletiel Meltelirtss periwig
whosite mangiest at the
Wis. cansiderlug Mein lo•
originally, as a Proprietor,
ti now oppose every me.
*Woo its general policy.—
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conceived e
ttrtl*bee
at was nece , It ori.
4..0 was written on a pelt,
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adid with all the cease-
t peblic communication.—
roeit confider it the set of
if • ad-improper exercise of
ho w • .
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r coooproed that tire Neese
the grant was advisable er
be left fee themindivideals
ed by their own derision. •
emphasis, on the opinion
'mine, whdte general ez-
r In the India Stock, !fp.
on Gelb* subject. He std.
itiweiy, in reeseopeice for / ,
etly consistent with the
he Corepany% money, re., . .
• Cerismisebners. In this, .
the Act of Pirliament ..
I defended the letter as a .
oe seetttliott-of pesOesi ,
tretion of the ellahs,lnd
notatotenketien on bier/
Illibbetistilify. The let-
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obscribet the Iteenifitoit If
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opposition; end 'kansider-
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