The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-05-06 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

-avesi us from hoed:tire. As an iestanre of this
feet, it was sit:beheld to mention ti.e ease of the
Swedish convoy, where ri ssitution being made out
of the funds in queritioa, tit the parties who felt
aggrieved, war was thereby perverted. If the funds
had been, at the time, under Parliamentary direction,
the chances against any pacific adjustioent w.ltld have
been multiplied tenfold, from the number of obstacles
which must have been eaeountered. 'I his cunittry had
invariably been actuated by motives of high and ro-
mantic honour, and she always `might rather to avoid
war, than rush into it, without a sufficient canse.
It was right, then, till all claims tiro these funds were
fairly ailjudirate.l, that they 'holel be kept altoge-
ther out of the itifi: iai knowledge of Parliament. lie
believed, in hi-, conscience, that they afferled ,he very
best means of avoiding war. Rot if they were placed
in the hands of Parliament the con-equence would he
otherwise. Either war was just or unjust; and if just,
tile national honour was committed, and ought, VOW
sequently, to be vindicated, while the proposed change
would e•nrl ts introduce various impediments. 1 here
was no proof of practical alist:.11,11• of any defects in
the ronstitutinn, or that those on his side of the House
were called upon to do re than they themselves
voluntarily offered. bring willing conseientiously to
let in the full daylight upon these funds from the first
ureletes of their forntatioo. I t was much better that
the Crown should administer as the trustee of the
pe.iplc, in thin teepee, as in every other where the
ri :his of the people were concerned. The only other
temptation which could induce the Hon. lent. to wish
fur a change was, the tleeire of doing away what he
termed the last remnant of the feudal Government.
He would have our system of Government made as neat
and clean as that of the Crated States, and would hair
the fun:lions of our Sovereign quite as unintelligible
as those of the America,. President. Fair himself lie
did nut wish to do away any trace of what was the off-
spring of the olden time. It was very easy to make •
stipenilian King, and there was only oue step more ne-
cessary, to place the ai&stersunder the direct controul
of the House, who might thus remove them at pleasure,
as they were paid by them. The Right lion. Gentle-
man, aft. r saline further observatiuns to the saute effect,
clot:laded by moving the Maier of the Day fur bring-
iu up the Report.
Before the question was put, Mr. Bnovott•st and
Mr. Casisitsto tinitu illy explained.
Sir JAMES 11ACIsINTi1S11 now rose to address the
House. lie bee in by stating, that upon any oilier oc-
casion than the present he should have avoided offering
himself to their notice, dreading, as lie did, to come in
contact with the forcible and convincing speech of his
lion. Friend, which nos alike worthy of the stateaman
and the lao v. r, ie hile lie was no less apprehensive of
ruconuterin t!,t• elwrienee and ingenuity of his Right
Frietot. oil the oilier side. The Hon. and Learned
Member then proceeded to follow in detail the different
arguments %Ouch hail beef, advancer) against the motion,
contenditig that the'', were not supported by authority,
and that the Right Host. Gentleman who spoke last hid
resorted rv,ly to ingenious fallacies. His Right lion.
Friend iwarcily touched upon the real question, which
was, indeed, a very simple one. namely, whether these
funds were really a ilinvenient source el revenue to the
Crowe. The question was not whether that revenue
should he of a greater or less anionnt.—(clear, hear !)--
But whether such a source of revenue was honourable
to the Crowns anil whether less ineonystiirnr, ww
arise frern I-maiming than from relinquishing it. Nil
doubt a great part of the (limits was voluntarily granted
by Parliament, and a considerable part of them was air
plied in rompensation of meritorious but irregular cap.
tors. It was admitted that these rewards were well be-
'owed, hut a question naturally suggested itself, was
there no other moile of effecting the same end? hid no
suspicion attach itself to the manner in which these com-
pensations had been heretofore ntaile ? Was it not to
be supposed that they were often given rather through
private influence than upon the general ground of public
service ?—filear, hear .)—The present state of things
was far f bring agreeable in every quarter. He
retold speak at least for one gallant body of Englishmen,
the officers of the navy—that they would prefer even a
diminished cumpensation, if it were given in another
manner than a large one, if they had still to seek it
through the channel of private solicitation.—(Hear,
hear !)—He would not say that many who received these
rewards had not earned them ; bat were there not also
many will) hail equal claims, hut who were passed by ?
(Hear, ).ear!) - It could not he denied, that so lung as
the compensations continued to come through this chan-
nel, they were liable to abuse. He would ask this ques-
tion, whether it could he seriously supposed that the
fonds which accrued from the capture of the Spanish
frigates were ranked among the jewels of the Crown :
Whether it n es for the honour of the Crown, for the dig-
nity of the Royal Family, to derive a revenue even for
the purposes of bounty from such a source? It was for
the /louse to judge whether such a revenue was not a
disgrace to the Koval Family, and whether it was nut
better for that family to derive all its income from the
affections of the people, than front an impure source, i
which, in the opnion of able historical writers. has in
its eaterior, at least, the appearance of being collected
by scents little better than pirates. It bad been often
said th it the Crown ought to have the means of bestow-
ing private bounty. But that was nut the question here ;
the irestion was, as to the nature and character of the
Nonce from which this revenue was derived. Fur the
first thirty years of the last rein the droits of the Ad-
miralty were, comparatively, inconsiderable. During
twenty years of the same reign, in the time of war, they
produced nine million.. Now here was no adaptation
of the resourees to the object. The resource was flue-
tnating while the object remained the same. Would it
not be better, therefore, that a permanent rouepenaatinn
should be made, applicable to all cases? Would it not
be more honourable for the Sovereign to derive the
means of gratifying his liberality, or his affections, from
the generosity Of his people, than from the spoils of his
enemies, and they defenceless enemies ? He would pee-
pose, that such funds as might be deemed sufficient fix
the reward of meritorious services should remain pernsee
neutly applicable to that object. For these no cetnyint.
sationought to be required, nor would lie give a oem
pensation from any other funds than those which were
applied to the purposes of private bounty, over which the
Crown exercised a private ownership. These, with a
very little addition, would be found adequate to supply
the means of bounty liberally. In making this Moat*
the greatest constitutional advantages would be obtahas
ed, which the House would feel, if it were not dead tla,
all sense of its own privileges. It would remove the
painful necessity of exhibiting the Crown as derivinee
emoluments from the harshest exercise of the rights of
war. Undoubtedly, these rights were sanctioned by
the laws and the practice of nations; but surely such
emoluments were more congenial with the temper of
feudal and military times. times held in so great vene-
ration by his Right Hon. Friend, than with the libera-
lity and Inowledge of the age in which we lived. It was
a matter of serious consideration how great a difference
might arise in fame times in the podia of dices

fonds. He was ready to retain every thing necessary for
the honour of the Crown, because that honour was inti-
mately connected with the safety of the country.
Bat, on the other band, he was anxious to remove a
practice unjustifiable in itself, still more so as it was ren-
dered a source of revenue to the Crown, and as it had
been abolished in other nations. The continuance of
prises, he thought, indeed, essential and justifiable by
the laws of nations—without them, the country would
soon descend from its station, and ultimately lose its
maritime existence. He would he the last man in the
House to sacrifice any of the just rights of the nation ;
hut unfortunately they were blendid with what was
formerly supposed to be the sourer of our r rein)
wealth, and is still helievol, by the ignorant jealousy of
foreign nations, to retard their own progress in cons-
meter. In no other country could a discussion arise
upon the subject that now engaged the attention of the
House. No country hail such a subject to agitate ; but
to us it came down in the mass of numerilith other regal
claims from the time of Bollard ll.—(Hear, hear !)
The House might he assured that these matters were
looked upon abroad as among a confused and unintelli-
gible assemblage of exercised rights, which, in the
opinion of foreigners, entitled them to call us the
tyrants of the sea.—(Hear, hear, hear!)—Vpon the
subject of ;irises in general, he would observe, that it
was singular, to say the least of it, that the private pro-
' party of an enemy on shore was held sacred, hut the
moment it was found at sea, it became the property of
the captors.—(l hear, hear!)—hint the practical effect of
this law was not without its advantage to mankind, as
it afforded an inducement to the cultivation of maritime
force, which was that strength most naturally applicable
to tuitional defence and security. Still lie would leave
the matter open to whatever degree of reform it might
Sinfully undergo in future times. While upon tliis sub-
ject be could not avoid observing how frequently it had
been said, that one of the purposes, and of the • minuend-
able purposes of the Moils of the Admiralty, was to
Wool relief to British merchants abroad, rho might
stiffer losses in property in consequence of its seizure by
the enemy. He believed, indeed, that that purpose was
carried into practical effect witliont regard to British
merchants in Spain, whose property was violated, and
that the droits accruing ft the Spanish frigates were
applied to that object. But if ever a ease existed where
compensation was due, it was in the case of the British
merchants in Denmark. It was admitted, even in the
opinions of the advocates and panegyrists of the attack
on Copenhagen, that that was a rase of sonernion foa—
ms act without a parallel in the history of this, or any
other country. The Danish droits, lie believed, amount-
ed to bettt reit one and two millions. The British sub- •
jects' losses in property amounted to about 200,0001. so i
that a tenth part of the drisits would have compensated
the merchants. 'lley applied for that compensation,
but they applied in vain. Two years ago, he presented ,
a petition to the House upon the subject, and he il glut
it one in which the House would have
terfered. The answer, however, which he understood
to have been received from thrTreasury %I AS, that though
such a compensation was given in tilt' case of Spain, still
that, as that was a hail preeeilein, it would not be fail-
lowed.--(llear, hear !) The lion. arid Learned Gent.
proceeded to point out the injustice of this refusal, anti
concluded with the inference that HO flOolleOSatioll ought
to he given for those funds, which might to have been,
but which never Were, r 'nacre.' Am .111.4111 e to the purposes
for which thry were supposed to have been held.
lir. AIARICIATT supported the motion of the lion.
and Learned tientlentan.
Mr. W. WVNN thought that the proposition of the
Right Hon. and !warned I ientlesuaii to have the arl'ollnts
annually laid before the House, fully met the object
which was sought for, and he should, therefore, vote
assume the notion.
Si, J. NEWPORT aroteil, that, after the promises
which had been given by the predreessors of the pre-
(sent Ministers, they could not consistently resist the
motion of his lion. and Learned Friend.
Mr. 3 I ACIA INALD spoke at sottr length in favour of
the motion. If the Civil List could not be reduced, it
ought at least to he simplified. He praised the 'lomat-
, chial systein as most congenial with the character of the
people of England. Ile was ready to do every thing ne-
i teasers, for the honour of the 'flint:tr. Splendid let it
tbe in moderation, but not ostentatiously so. These
were in nts when some diminution of the splendour
, 1 of the Crown was an sccessimi to its dignity.—(llear!)

Sir R. WILSON bore testimony to the dislike which
generally prevailed among officers of the navy to the
present mode of rewarding captors.
Mr. TIERNEY contended, that before the House WIS
called upon to vote the Civil List, they should know the
whole amount of the revenues of which the Crown was
possessed. Until then, they would be in the dark. As
to compensations to the Crown, he differed with his
Hun. and Learned Friend as to the necessity of them;
bat he could not see, if they were given, how they could
aid to the public burthens, since it would be only paying
Iron, one fund what was received in another. The House
bail already a rare specimen of what Gentlemen on the
other side would do, if they carried the Committee. Of
three or four speakers who bad given their opinions at
some length, not any two agreed in their plans. They
differed from rich, and differed amongst themselves.—
(Hear!)—Ministers proposed to continue a system, the
operation of which hail been felt for years.—(He..r!)--
A system which, by long experience, was well under-
stood ; simpler in its detail anti mote easily understood
than the new-tangled and ill-digested plans suggested
to night.—(Hear!)--It possessed the advantage of long
standing., it was the antiquated pleb, the old vestment
of respectable appearance, to be preferred to the newly
hatched garb of modern invention. By long experience
this system hail acquired strength, anti it was precisely
the same as it was arranged in Irll6, when it appeared
Ap Parliament to he mine" the averaged expenditure of
former years the sum of 150,11011/. It nas upon the ar-
rangetnent of Wl6 that Ministers still proposed to act.
He was surprised at the haste which Gentlemen felt upon
the subject now, compared with their former feelings.
He recollected in the last Parliament he was called upon
at a time that the Session hail only to last one fortnight,
to bring forn.::ril then his Civil List Bill.—(Hear, hear'.)
—lt would appear by the accounts that '23ti,olltll. would
be taken off, from the allowance of ISI6, in conseyience
of the King's death.—(Hear").—So much, therefore,
would he saved to the Consolidated Fund front the cons•
parison of the expenditure of Wl6, to the expenditures(
the present day. The whole gist of the objections to
the retention of the Moils of the Admiralty in the hands
of the Crown, seemed to be the temptation aisle!' they held
out to Ministers to engage in useless or expensive wars,
as being so ready an instrument in their hands. I f Den-
tletnen would but have the candour to make the &Anew.
ledgment, they should own that at least, on some *MO.,
lions, Oovernnsent had made a good use of this power.
In the celebrated case of ISOI, ashen a war was threat-
ened with this country, Government, by laying an eus.l
bargo on the Danish ships, prevented all the bad come►.
quences to this country of a ruinous war. This measure,
which was adopted instead of confiscating so many ships.
aided by the glorious victory of Lord Nelson, and
the happy change which took place in the Russian Do.
vernment by the death of the Emperor Pant, saved this
country from a war, and the vessels were afterwards re.
stored: The droits were originally intended to be ap-
plied to the naval service. So they had beep, for three-
fourths of the Spanish raptures *ere given to the
I nivel service. If the object of the motion was

to come at. the amount of the droits, Gentlemst
would be quite gratified by the annual returns of the
droits and colonial revenues %lath were laid regularly
before the Hostsie. Ministers bad no objection to conti-
nuing these, and it struck him as a little extraordinary,
that now, for the first time since ISM, an objection
should be taken to them.—(Hear, hear!)
Sir J. YORKE asked, whether or not the gallant
Officer who conducted the Congo and Souchung expedi-
tion. had a pension on the 44 per Cents. The reply to
this question would determine him which way be would
give his vote. He was always ready to support Govern-
ment, but not having received an answer respecting tie
pensions, be thought it his duty to vote for the Commit-
tee.—(Heir, bear! Question. question!)
Lord A. HAMILTON said, Ministers had been alwai s
meeting their motions for inquiry, by saying that ts.e
beginning of a new reign was the time to inquire irto
the Civil List. He was at a loss to know to what period
they now proposed to defer it.—(!fear'.) •
Mr. R. BATHURST complained that the House had
been drawn aside by specious arguments from the real
question. The real object with the originators of the
motion, was not to ascertain the amount of the Omit; of
the Admiralty, but to take them out of the hands of ts..e
Crown, and place thetn at the disposal of Parliansen-.
Mr. 8188 GILAM then replied. In answer to :lie
sarcasm thrown out by the Chancellor of the Ext•liesi•:,r
upon the inconsistency of Gentlemen at his aisle in their
plans, he would only say the Gentlenwn at the !CAMP stile
with the Right lion. Gentlemen were quite safe from
such an imputation, for as only one ventured upon any sot
of statement, lie could be only at variance with 161w-el'.
—(hear !)—lle wondered the Law officers of the Crow's
were not there ; they appeared to him to form as gr...tt
a part of the appendages of the Throne, as those (kw',
which his motion proposed to make turn to arrow's!. lit
conclusion, he declared, that so far from wishing by Ipia
motion to strip the Crown of any of its dignity, nu man
wished better to see it supported in a state becoming the.
Monarch of a great nation.—(llear !)—lle hail rather
see thousands laid out in upholding the honour of the
Throne, than in spreading briheryand corruption
the walls of that House. He wished the King may live
long, and reign happily, assured that his firmest footing
was the interest which his virtues would create for hint
in the hos 1111 l sof his people.--(llear, hear, hear !)
The House ihen divided, when the numbers appeared
to be—Ayes MI; Noes 273 —Majority IIS.
The other Orders of the Day were then dispo..ed
and at Twelve o'clock the House adjourned.

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men dew to their wives, and the bachelors hastened to be
wedded ; and " The Spectator" has affirmed, that the word
" wife" is the most agreeable and delightful name in nature.
The sacred institution, then, of marriage, comp the
desideratum of our enjoyment, teeming not only with hap-
piness on earth, but disposing the soul itself to harmonize
with bliss hereafter.
Previous. however, to entering into this hallowed obliga-
tion, it becomes an imperative duty, not only to regulate the
passions, but to cleanse the grosser nature from those im-
purities, which the freedom of sere.tricted pleashre may
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