The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-26 00:00:00

STATPSMAy.

ancestors who forste4 -then:, were not se moth of
commercial nature as the attainment of that strength
and i4.ory for our naval power wrhic h had proved the
result of the r vim is red wisdnm and val.iur. By the
regulations prntmed hr the ltigl.r lionnurable Gen-
tlemar, ite should main only the atort cityages.
whiist the longer :ales to :Wit America would hr
made he foleiro w.. 'Ad thus bit all
'the advantage- whirl: had here gained to us hr our
atteestors. This mu t t.e the result. because foreign
vessels could be tiat,d nut at leas expense. tied from
their cotritruction required fewer men to man thentl
than English ones. The experimeut h..d been tried'
with regard to America, sod the consequence was..
that out of 20 vessels importing the produce of that
gentry, 19 would be found to he American. It
always taunt be a consequence, that if ue opened cote-
petition we must sink. Thi:i was to be arcottuted f.rl
by the pressure of taxation, from which other coon-I
4ries were comparatively free. The Honourable
Member then contended that the greatest evils wocld
arise from opening a r.onpetition between the West
and East Indies, and entered. into a comparative state-
ment of the importations fruoi each, toeether with
the number of seat..en en,p;o:cd. Niueteen-tw..1.-
tieths of the advantn.ea i;tl,:er the present
systen: would be beit h; the propo,ed regulations:
We must sutler under tii:.advantages in a tree trade,
to which other countries acre nut subjected. We
were in an artificial stare. The effects cf our tax-
ation entered into the price of labou•, and into
every thing connected with our commerce. It ap-
peared to him that these new pro,insitions eli.lSe
out of tile prevailing wish for :thy cli:a:ge that
might remove the general pressure existed.
In fact, out of the very same feelings u filth in other
place:„ anal amongst other people bad t,;ven rise
to the late &bite fir revolutions and change:.
iu
the forma of Uoveiunient.—(Hear. Isear.)--Our pre-
sr.ut troun!es reminded him of a stausa iu the poem
written by Or. Po:son. at the request of a Lady who
gave I.i.a his subject. called "The Devitt 1
" With wind and with tide,
Down the river did Ode.
A pig. w!Ill vist crkety :
At tsery ..,troke he eat hi, osa throat.
Anti the Orsii smiled a.. lie ti.iw him afloat.
A pieturu of Etwriati.l'a commercial prusir.e;:ty.•'
This was uxaLtlp our cabe at present. We oere
go-
to cut the throat of our commercial prospe:ity,
and the deed ho iniOt very :yell
smile at our 1 !Align.) lie liutied the unmet
would nut sanction tt.. priiitoeti the proposed altera-
tion of these laws under the country had reaped
so much advantage.

Mr. Serjeant tWiLOll' felt math regret at differing
in opinion bout our so wrl! ir.fotwei upon cummercial
affairs as the Mil. Nletuber who lia,ljast sat down. IVitit
respect to the quotation he Itai ft, tde use of, be never
heard that li. l'orrin was gifted with any powers of
prophet y by which he cool,' gateau to write of the tat a-
tures nwa pioposeti to the lluuse; and he shou'al there-
fore take the lion. :tlentber's quotations and ;ARA! it
against the whole of his. argu,tients. The 11o:towable
aad Learned Metubrf .)iipiturted the and tun-
tluticd that the greatc:: tuannert.i.l adeautag:s
arise from a free t:

Mr. 11C1iE his surprise at the speech of
the lion. Mcinber oiapo.ite Marryatt.) If be vias
not satisfied that the priyoseil measares would tcwi
greatly to increase our trade, he ivould not support.
them. But he was finite satisfied that so far from in-
jiiring our commerce, they would iiicrea.e it, by rtinov-
ing the jealousy with which every nation look<<l upon
our existing system of exelniling laws. He was sure
from all that he hail beard, that the general mercantile
voice of the country was in favoirr of the meiwares; aml
he hoped that they would be e into effect, and the
the Committee from which they h.:l emaii.,ted wou!d
continue th.)se labours which were likely to confer so
much benefit upon the nation.

Mr. MAl:ay.% 1 r and Mr. Ilt::ste mutually explained.
Mr. T. WILSi IN said that the propositions of the
Right Hun. Genticmvt must untler;_o some mo,liticatious
before they could obtain his sup port. It wax said they
ought to renio‘ c All re)trictions. So he said, provided other
nations would do the same. Bit it would be highly
impolitic for ns to place ourselves in that situation, if
the principle were not universally atlopte I. lie should
not give atlecisive opinion upon the measures in their
present state ; but he inns! observe drat there did not
appear to him to be env g..n,-ral desire on the part of the
country for the adoption of the proposed primiples of
free trade, any more than there had ban a general de-
sire to return to cash payinews.

The Resolutions were then agreed to.

The House having resumed, a message was received
from the Lords, announcing their Inr:lships assent: to
the Finance Bills, and to several private Bills.
Mr. 3IABERLY seeing the Noble Marquess (of Lon.
dontlerry) in his ;lace, rose for the pntpoie ot• asking
him a question upon a very itnttortant subject. The
Report of the Agricultural Committee was now before
the House, and it re:onnnend,•.l that strict economy
should be resorted to in tbeexpeaditnre of the country.
Now he conceived that this recommendation had bocti
made with the consent of 31inisters, awl he wished to
ask the Noble Lord c•:. it prospect the Government hart
of makinl,• any res: t ono:nice' arrangements in the en-
suing year. He had taken occasion earls. in the Session
to propose a res,)!ltirn :•or rednzing tile income to a cer•
tain amount, wlticti a 4 met by a vote of the preyiou•
question. He wodto as!,, therefore, what meacure of
economy conla rzryteted and he had put this ques-
tion with the hope of bang informed hy the Noble Mar-
quess as to what the intention of Ministers was upon
this subject.

The .Marquise of LONDONDERRY said, that he dic
not understand the Honourable Member to put any dis-
tinct question whatever. The lin:mural le Member
made an unsuccessful attempt at an argument, and al
laded to a statement of his during the early pltr: of th.
Session, and the Honourable Gentleman inferred, that
because his Majesty's tlovernuient did not atinpt th.
views of the Honourable tientlemon, that therefore the
were not disposed to adopt any system of economy. iii.
Right lion. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
was almost derided on a former occasion. when he de•
elated that the Government would be able to make a
considerable saving in the expenditure of the present
yen ; it so happened, however, that the estimates of the

'mAm
prnetit year were leas by I,(M/23,tief. than the year be-
fore. He could assure the lb) Gentlen.an that there
wah no part of tire Report he was more dispoed to ad-
here to than that pat tof it hit recommended
rote w.is no part of the Report, n•bicn, in the Leo
he would he tnore ar.xious or more happy to
earn• iu?o eNerntioti
GRANT TO 1 HE DUKE or CLARENCE.
?h:• CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stinted
the Order of tl.e day for the secuni readiug of thi,
Bill.

M. G. BENNE f psi, lie 1141.11,1 tilt cater into any
discus-Ann upon the Bill, j:s tstl riw•!‘ 11.i4 a 1 r ead y taken
lelae r. 1k considered the grant to he one of a wort un-
principled character, and he should divide the Howe
upon it at every stage. He moved that the Bill be read
second time that day six months.
Mr. F. PALMER seconded the motion, and complain-
ed that he had been represented as voting for the grant
in its earlier '.t& es.

Lord A. HAmuroN objected to the grant as well
as to the manner in which it had Leen introced into that
House. lie thought the term " arrear " had been
ptoperly applied to the sum to be allowed fur the 1i t
three year, The Noble Lord contended, that the
nsaling such a grant was wholly w•ithont precedent, and
stated his intention of opposing it altogether.
Sir JOHN SE BRIGHT said he bad spoken with men
on holL sides of the gitestioi,, and not oil,. had approved
of the vote for the arrears.

Alter a few words from the CIIANCLL!..OII of the Ex-
CH eQrltit,

The House divided upon Mr. BV:NET'S .%mend•
►went, when there appeared —For the .Ic►cudwent, 14
Against it, 61-31ajority, 47. _ _ _

The original motion was then agreeil to, and the Bill
wa; read a second time.

Mr. F. PALMER presented a Petition from the In-
habitants of Reading. in fa-tvir of ti.e Bill for puni,bing
Cruelty to : awl • situil4r Poi :Wu was pre-
sented from certain London, by Mr. BEIKNA L.
The Petitions were ordered to be pri•led.

The House wriit into a Co►ncuttre oti tint East India
Private Trade Biil.

After • few word, from the Cr!..!•ceLcon of the Ex-
CIILQVER and Mr. the .louse
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
stated that the Hatiea imposed by the Bill r.-ould not
attach to %Visite Sugar noir on hand,
Mr. Bimini' /opposed the Bill, and complained that
it would injure our West Inflix Trade.
Mr. HUM E said that, on the contrary, the West India
Sugara had a protecting duty of 10s. per hundred,
it Lich duty operated as a tax upon the country.
Mr. W. SMITH wi.iied to know hua lung it was in-
tended to continue the Bid.

Tile CHANCELLOR of !Le EXCHEQUER said, fur
one year.
_ .

Mr. W. SMITH then it V... 15 scarce worth while
in the present state of the Session, for the Hon. Member
for Bristol (Mr. Bright) to oppose the Bill.
Mr. BKIIIIIT explained.

Mr. BARHAM agreed that tha subject would he
diNcossed to ttttt re .itlvant,q,atiext Session. lie thought,
liii..vever, that the argument of the Hun. Member for
berileen, (Mr. Hume), was perfectly unfounded ; end
at a proper time he should meet him on that argument.
The protecting duty was a right, and had been paid
feu• under the security of Parliament. The lion.
leutl►er spoke at 4Uille length in support of t!ic West
Trade.

Mr. W. SMITH said he had no connesimi either
eti ilia the East or the West ludic Truk. He deNired to
advance the f..ir intere.t of both ; and he the.ebre
protested against the uionopoly supported by the
Honourable Member. Ile ha I always understood
that free trade should be the r•ile, auJ resttitAiou the
eNcevtio.).

3lr. 11 said, he fu: one be ready to
ar,zur fur the repeal of all pra!tilii•iaos against thy
West India tahmies. The West Inklia Trade was
rompelled to purchase every thing: at the flume
Market ; the E tat I irlra Proprietor might go
where ne pie tlio:i7l:t it wo.ild be sound po-
lice to repeal ail the p:oiiih:tory laws.
Mr. HART D.ll'll foilotred the last speaker in fa•
-..ottr of the West India Trade.

Sir RORER I' WILSON begged to a4t the Chan-
rell•,r of the whether there had not been,
between the years 1!..15 and IRIS, an inereatie of
35.000 ltiai-lot in the Island of Jamai..a ? If this wa,
Cue case. he thou Tli! the increase very suspicious.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
the question could be answered by the Colonial Se-
cretary, who would be in his Flare tu-niorrow. fie
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) could not answer it
At pre:ent.
Mr. GOULBURN just then entered the House, and
said he believed an increase bad taken place within the
period mentioned, hut he was satisfied it had nut taken
place in consevence of any illegal importation. Ile
thought it was (wised by the improved treatment of
the slaves.

:Nlr. W. SMITH said, he thon;lit there must he
some mistake, :is •Aie increase was scarcely possible.
After a fes words from Mr. BRIGHT and the
CH kNCELLOI uf the EKCIIKQI*ER, the Bill was ordered
to be committed to-morrow.

The. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Order of the Dad• for the Home going into a Com-
mittee on tht- Audit of Accounts' Dill.

Mr. G. BENNET rose and complained of the late
!,eriod of the Sesiion. as well as the lateness of the
taut, at which ibis oil:issue wss brou;ltt before them,
•specially considering its importance and the volumi-
luos dorum•nts which were before the tLii.,c upon :he
inhj:.ct. The last of these doenments had been 'mid
tron the Table in April last, and he was at a loss to
Brine trien what ground the proposition of this BM
ui heeit so long delayed. In consequence of tlii, de-
:ay s!,e7e w:s many ttentletnen stew absent tilt° had
,cres!i,:sted the subject—who ware aware of all its
bearings. anti who were disposed to speak upon its
merits. '1 herefore he was left quite alone to enter
it:to the discussion. The absence of his Hen. Friends,
11ewher for the Queen's County and the Honour•
Menilwr for Wycousb. who had devoted much of
their coniideration to the question. According to his
view, it was eery desirable that there should be a rega-
le classification of the Pablie Accounts, that is, that