The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-06-23 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

friend to the measures had not yet advanced a single
step from the point at which he set out. Ile was not
now prepared to name the securities which could con-
tent him, nor had he been able to connect himself
with an Administration, on whom his sentiments en
this subject were likely to have any weight. lle also
should state the view in which he voted for the first
Resolution of the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Canning). His view was, that it ought to be consi-
dered as a pledge to the people of Ireland, that Par-
liament intended to support those claims. [Hearn
Unless the vote was considered as a distinct and spe-
cific pledge, there would he nothing in it which could
prOduce the least effect in conciliating the people of
Ireland. As to the second Resolution, if, as it was.
stated, an Illustrious Personage was friendly to the
measure, what situation was he in, if he could not
have a Cabinet to advise him how to carry his bene-
volent wishes into execution ? In fact, who could he
have to advise him on the subject ? His Cabinet were
divided among themselves, and could not give a joint
counsel; and it was not very usual for the Sovereign
to take the advice of his Ministers seriatim. It was
hard to say who the Satholics were to express their
opinions to during the recess. The Secretary of
State for the Home apartment (Lord Sidmouth) was
knpwn not to he very friendly to their claims. How
was it possible for them to point out what securities
they would concede, unless some one would first ex-
plain to them what dangers were apprehended frem
them or their religion ? It seemed generally allowed
that they had not hitherto been disaffected • and it
would be strange, indeed, if granting their demands,
and admitting them into the Coustitutkon, were to
make them disaffected in future. It was allowed that
their ecclesiastical power had never yet been directed
against the State; and it would he strange, indeed,
' if the Laity should become more discontented or
dangerous from being admitted freely into all the
benefits of the Constitution. While the matter was
undecided, the Protestants would be frightened, and
the Catholics discontented. The Bishops would be
set a preaching, and the Aggregate Meetings and Ca-
there Boards would he at work on the otln hand.—
Ile s',ould consider that House as pledging itself to
give the Catholics all they asked, consistent with se-
curity to the established religion of this country.
He did not, however, know what that security was:
the house ought to know what the meaning of Go-
vernment was.

Sir J. C. HIPPISLEY spoke in favour of the mo-
tion, but allowed that we ought to guard against th e
encroachments of the Catholics.

Mr. PONSONBY said, that Ministers had de-
clared this should not he treated as a Ministerial
question ; yet three Ministersin the House had given
different opinions upon it. Security was said to be
necessary. The greatest security you could have
was the grant you made them, and th 2 confidence
you placed in then). He thought the proposition
now made a good one ; and he hoped the business
would be left to that great and enlightened man who
had so long and so ably advocated the cause of the
Catholics (Mr. Grattan) ; and he had no doubt but
he would be zealously supported by the pre-eminent
talents of the Right Hon. Gout. who brought for-
ward the present motion. All parties differed as to
the nature of the security as well as the extent ; but
the House ought to consider, that in giving certain
privileges to the Catholics, if it coerced their con-
' sciences, it would excite difficulties which it would
be impossible to overcome.
Mr. W. FITZGERALD spoke against the Mo-
tion.

Sir C. BLIRRF:I.I.4 did the same, and on the
ground of the'resolutions come to by the late Aggre-
gate Meeting of the Catholics in Dublin.
Mr. WHITBREAD was of opinion, that his Right
Hon. Friend (Tierney) had successfully exposed not
only the imbecility, but the insincerity of Ministers.
He was astonished that any man could be diverted
by the Declarations of an angry meeting at Dill;lin,
from diving due weight to the forcible, and, he should
think, irresistible arguments of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman who had so ably and elorptently brought for-
ward the present motion, considering that it was in
the poser of Parliament to accompany the measure,
when it should ultimately be granted, with such
pledges at they should chuse. Since the death of Mr.
Perceval, he (Mr. Whitbread) could not help re-
marking that Ministers hart yieldedevery point. The
minor points they might have yielded to the wishes
of the pc:ople; but the major points they had con-
ceded, not in the spirit of magnanimity but of pu-
sillanimity ; they were beaten by the People and
Parliament, but they had not been able to gain the
victory over themselves. The Noble Lord (Castle-
reagh) said he was for the Resolution moved by
the Right Honourable Gentleman (Canning), but, as
a Minister, that he would not act in such a manner
as to give effect to it. The Chancellor of the Exche-
quer was• of a similar mind. Then came a Right
Honourable Gentleman (Bathurst), who it was un-
derstood was to be in the Cabinet, and he had said
that he should vote against the Resolution. What
an uneasy summer must these men have together ?
For he hoped the Right Honourable Gentleman
would follow up his Resolution by moving that it be
presented to the Prince; and he thought It impossi-
ble, after a question of such importance was sub-
mitted to the Prince Regent, that his Ministers should
not advise him to follow up such a recommendation.
He should not detain the House from tke triumph of
this day. On the head of .his Right Honourable
Friend (Grattan) must rest and accumulate all the
glory and honours of the victory. By the Right
Honourable Gentleman (Canning) had the immediate
stand been made ; but to his Right Hon. Friend
. (Grattan) must attach the ultimate glory.
Mr. CANNING bestowed a high tribute of praise
on the character and exertions of the Right llon.
Gentleman who had so often raised his voice in the
cause (Mr. Grattan), and expressed himself happy,
to resign the task of carrying the wishes of the
House, into his hands ; but at the same time, with-
•• out derogating from any thing he had said on the
conduct and talents of that Right Hon. Gentleman,
he should be still more happy to see it in the heads
of Government.
it
The House then divided on Mr. Canning's Mo-
thin, the Amendment having been withdrawn.

For the piotion - - 233 •
Against it 1O
Mujority —129
Adjourned at three o'clock this morning,

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THE STATESMAN.

LONDON:
TUESDAY, JUNE 23, 1812.

In the House of Commons last night, Mr. CAN-
I NING prefaced the following Motion by an eloquent;
and most impressive speech :—" That the House
will,' early in the next Session of Parliament, take
into its most serious consideration the state of the
laws affecting his MAJESTY'S Roman Catholic subjects
in Great Britain and Ireland, with a view to such a
final and conciliatory adjustment as may be condu-
cive to the peace and strength of the United King-
dom, to the stability of • the Protestant Establish-
ment, and to the general satisfaction and concord of
all classes of his MAJESTY'S subjects." General
MATIIEW proposed, as an Amendment, " that the
House should, on Thursday, resolve itself into al
Committee, to take into consideration the condition
of the Catholic population of Ireland." The gallant 1
General, however, was afterwards induced to with-1
draw his Amendment, when the Motion of Mr.l
CANNING was carried by a majority of 129, there
being 235 who voted for it, and 106 against it. In!
. the course of the debate, Lord CASTLEREAGH '
stated, that he had always entertained principles 1
• favourable to the Catholic Claims ; but, that
he had been prevented taking any part in the:
'measures proposed for their emancipation, in con- i.
, sequence of " insuperable obstacles existing in a
certain; to which it was only necutsary- to allude."---
iThese obstacles being now removed, he was of opi-
niou, " that it was impossible anv Government,
formed for the country, founded on the principle of •
resistance to the Roman Catholics," could long ex.
ist. Still, his Lordship admitted, that there was a
majority of individuals in the Cabinet who held a
different opinion on this sulloject. Mr. GRATTAN
supported Mr. CANNING'S motion, and hailed the
measure proposed as a Resolution of concord—a Re-
solution which contained a Declaration of the Peo-
ple of England, of lo've and cordiality towards the
People of Ireland, and, he had no doubt, when
once the discussion was allowed to be fairly brought
forward, that those who had hitherto been the
strongest opposers of the measure, would be coin-
! pelted to acknowledge the identity of the in-
: terests of the two countries.—Rntertaining a
similar opinion with 'Mr. GRATTAN, we consider
the success of Mr. CANNING's motion, as a real tri-
umph of the Irish People over bigotry and into.
lerance ; and while we congratulate them on the sin-
' gular advantage they have thus cbtained, we trust
they will not depart from that conciliatory anti dig-
! nified conduct, which has hitherto marked all their
proceedingss and added so many real friends to their
cause.

If private letters, received yesterday from Turkey,
by the Malta Mail, nre to be depended on, hostili-
ties between France and the Porte may be consider-
ed as not far distant. One letter, dated Constanti-
nople, April 2, contains the following :—" Letters
from Odessa, of the 17th ult. inform us that an Em-
bargo has been laid in that port on French,Austrian,
and Turkish vessels, which may be considered as a
Declaration of War against France." The arrival of
Mr. Ltrrow, at Constantinople, is also announced ;
and, should the Turkish Government have really
determined on war with BostApAnTE, this may be
considered as the result of our Minister's negocia-
tions. We doubt much, however, the accuracy of
this intelligence, as the rode, instead of being able
to levy a new army to combat the immense forces of
France, finds it difficult to arrest the progress of the
Russians, who, it is well known, have of late been'
the successful party.

Letters were yesterday received by a vessel which
has arrived from Ihrre, after a voyage of GO hours.
I—No news had been recently published in Paris
from the Peninsula, and no intelligence of- general
interest was in circulation.

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A King's Messenger arrived at Plymouth-Dock al
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ten o'clock on Thursday itight,in twenty-three hours
from London. An express was immediately sent•
from the Per-Office to New Passage, but it blew
such a tremendous gale at the time that no boat could•
cross the Tamer. A Messenger was then sent round
by Tavistock. The Gleaner ketch, of 1.4 guns, sail-
ed for America a few hours after the arrival tki the
Messenger, although it blew a strong gale.
Omnium fell yesterday from 21 (Saturday's price)
to 1 a Premium.
To-morrow being Mittsummer-day, according ta
annual custom, the Right Hon. the Lord Mayor and
Sheriffs will go in state from the Mansion-house ro
Guildhall, where a Common Hall of the Livery of
the several Companies of the City of London will be
convened for the purpose of choosing Sheriffs and
other City Officers for the year ensuing, when the
Aldermen who have not served the office of Sheriff,
and the several Gentlemen drank to, will be put in
nomination for the choice of the Livery, by the show
of hands, for two fit and able persons to serve those
offices. After the business of the Common Hall, the
Lord Mayor, Sheriffs, Alder Men, &c. will proceed
to the Mansiou-honee ;ad partake of an elegant en-
tertainment. •