The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-05-19 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN:

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF OF LORDS, MAY 18.

The Rouse resolved itself loin a Committee on the Earth-
s:cis Peerage, the further consideration of which was post-
mod to Tuesday.
Comet and Witnesses were beard on Christie% Divorce Dill,
*bids was read a second lime, and ordered to be committed to-
porrow.
Ea! STANIIOPE presented a Petition (we believe from
bieningluons) against the Coon Bill, which had pas.ed the
Pose, and in favour of a Reform of the Common's 'loom of
Parliament.
The Petition hay* been read,
Earl Sr. LOPE moved that the Petition should lie on the
pm,. The Pelitiel ers, he taws-reed, thoogh they had not coll-
o el themselves to the Corn Bill Art, hod very naturally con-
deft with 'hot question their prayer tot a Reform on the
pi,,u,o of Commons. a. they were persuaded that if a more
loom tie coinoection misted between that body and the people,
in reeling and interests, the Corn 8.11 would not have pa,,ec
petition was ordered to lie no the table.
Lord MELVILLE presented a Petition from some Mano-
r curers of Solo in Picotlan.l azainst the Muriatic Acid Bill.
De 'observed, that though it wool,' be probahly expedient to
pow the Rill iu question, whieh hod advaireed to its I'm stage,
ei if it was attended with any hardship it would be the duty
„f Home to take the ease of the Petitioner, into consider-
ation.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL said that overtone out meaning to lead the House into any premiture
might be contained in a sheet of paper, and it might discussion. The House, he observed, was now placed
be laid before the Rouse either to-morrow or Moo- iu different circumstances from those which existed
day. upon any former discussion of this interesting ques-
Earl GREY said, the Treaties then, as ratified, lion, in consequence of the Resolution adopted on
are precisely the same as those which are in substance the motion of the Right Honourable Member for Li-
before the House. verpool (Mr. Canning). For by that Resolution it
The Earl of LIVERPOOL.—ExactIy the same. was decided, that it was expedient to repeal the penal
Earl STANHOPE said, that a very material piece laws affecting the Catholic body, and, therefore,, the
of information had not been mentioned by the Noble House was not again called upon to vote on the
Earl (of Liverpool), hut it was necessary their Lord- principle of the measure, but to consider tie details
ships should have before them— the state of the necessary in order :o give effect to that Rosolution.
finances of our Allies. Those finances were in a. He had been informed by the Speaker, that as this
most miserable state, so that in the end we should be question related to religion,_it must be considered in
obliged to pay all. i a Committee of the whole House.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that lest he The SPEAK ER.—Such is the standing Order.
should have misled the House by what he had said, Then in this instance (resumed Sir H. PARNELL)
he should observe that Subsidiary Treaties had been i he meant only to hring forward these Resolutions in
concluded, which would be laid before the House at order to have them laid on the table, as containing the
the same time with the others. subject matter of what he proposed subsequently to
Earl STANHOPE, The N " .1 hat bmit for the' -id( stir ,f the Hi - In (ram

—Mile Earl is given
no answer to my question, but has shirked it alto-
gether.
The Report nn the Roseberry Divorce Bill was
agreed to.—Adjourned.

WAR.
Earl GREY wished to know whether it was in
the contemplation of his Majesty's Government to
make any communication to the House on the subject
el the Creaty of the 2.5 th of March, and the other HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Treaties, which, though in substance,• were not
formally before the !huge. POOR LA Ws.
Mr, W. SMITH rose, pursuant lei IlieliCe to more for leave
The Earl of LIVER.POOL said, that he believed to bring in a Bill for the.'
purpose of reude;ing general certain
he should on Monday be able to communicate those , 111,01141. ms which Mere at pfeirelli to be found in certain local
Treaties to the House, together with a Message on .:,,rs,
propertyw ith a viewp r, ire d preventfai fur tt Pode el"
r. b.sithselerarsertit r
first olbjecwoe t
of hoist.
the same subject from the Prince Regent, and he ISM, the Hon. Member describes' to be, to subject to neertatn
should then move that the Message be taken intoorautse, an) persons win shmatti knowingly purchase any of
the proper.% alluded to; and the record to p 1 trustees or
ronsideration on Tuesday. ! overseers of the pour Conn selling any articles for the use of the
Earl GREY observed, that such a Motion would . {actor, from which they could derive profit. The Hun. Mem-
kc but a short notice on such au important question. 1 li'.rnMdisalift"irAilrepidreseton.ted a Petition from the Ship-build.
lie knew it was the custom of the House when a Cr, on the liver Thames, prriying to be heard by Culturelsagniost
Message was delivered to it from the Cross it, to .the sermd reading of the East bodies Ship•buildhag Bill.-or-
idesreiCri to lie
iiiiiir tirGrtisi.bil.rh.t a i
come to 'the consideration of it with as little inter.aro leave to brine in a Bill to re-
setting delay us passible; but when that Message re- ! viva the use of Funeral Certificates, to record deaths and bu-
ferret, to documents on which deliberation was ne. nab. together with testators and intestates.
cessary, before the Rouse could reply to the Meg- THE PRINCE REGENT.
Pal', some further lime should be allowed. The Lord ALTHORPE gave notice of his intention
Treaties, he sVpitscd, would be commuoicated in'. to submit a motion to the House on Tuesday neat,
form which had already been laid in substance before i with respect to the application of the sum of 100,0001.
the House. He wished to have eiplanation as to voted to the Prince Regent for the purpose of an
two points :—The lirst question to which he wished , outfit, on his Royal Highness's becoming unrestricted
to receive an answer was, whether there was any I Regept.
substantial alteration in the Treaties which were be- l Lord CASTLEREAGH stated, that the applica.
fore the House, or whether they had been ratified ex- tion of the sum alluded to had been explained by a
icily in the state in which they had been laid before; communication from authority, to the House.
the House ?He wished also to know, nut only whe- 1 Mr. C. W. WYNNE professed himself unable to
tiler any alteration had been made in the Treaties,' imagine the nature of the authority referred to by
but whether the Allies had subjoined to their Ratifi- the Noble Lord. Diet the Noble Lord mean his own
cations, any Declaration or Counter.declaration (on ! statement in the course of a late discussion ?
the subject of the explanatory Declaration si. hich ! Lord CAsTLEREAGII replied, that the cons. I
hid been affixed to the Ratification of one of the' muniration to which he referred had been made to
Treaties, by this Government), which might offord • the Committee appointed to investigate the expendi.
some new view of the Treaty ? If any alteration or : ture of the Civil List, through which Committee
any such Declaration had been made, it would be that communication would naturally come before the
most material that further time should be afforded for House.
consideration.—There was another question, which , Mr. TIERNEY asked when this communication
the Noble Earl (Limp ,o 1) could now answer, acrd was made to the Committee, for he had not yet
which had some time since been put by a Noble: heard of it, nithoueh a Member of that Committee?
Friend of his—as to she overtures supposed to have I Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that steps had, by
been made by the present Government of France to order, been taken some days ago to present it, and
this country ? The Noble Earl (Liverpool) had on he presumed that it bad been made.
that occasion answered, that some communication Lord A LTHORPE observed, that the motion of
had been made, but that it had beets sent to the ' which he had given notice would not refer to the
_cues at Vienna; and that before an answer was re- view which the Noble Lord appeared to have taken
ceired from thence, no Message would be brought of the subject, but to what he (Lord A.) considered
fleets to the House. Now, before a question was the unconstitutiouel mode of applying the 100,0001.
decided which was to determine on the al!ernative of contrary to the spirit and letter of the Act of Par-
peuce or war, it was necessary that the House should Bement under which it was granted.
Lave before it al! proceeding', in the way of 'sego- 1 • TRANSPORT-OFFICE.
ciation, or all attempts at negociation, on either ' Ordered, nit the motion of Mr. BANKES, that
side, which had failed. This point it was hardly ne- returns should he laid before the House, of the au-
cessary to enforce; for when they were to decide on thouity under which the Transport-Olfice had been
the propriety of war, It was obvious that the House ordered to be rebuilt, together with the plan and
should he in possession of all the circumstances by estimates for that building ; and also of the amount
which it might, by possibility, be averted. If, of the fees of the Tratispor nis t-_—oe for two years,
therefore, there wa• no objection to the production ending the sth of January, 1815, from which fees
of this information, the communication on Monday, the Hon. Member observed, that he understood it
with a notice for Tuesday, would hardly afford time! was proposed to defray the expences of the building
enough for deliberation. As he had no desire to alluded to.
protpone the cotisitletation of the question, except . The further consideration of the Report of the Fo-
from a desire to ho in possession of all the circum- i reign Soldiers Enlistment Bill was postponed until
stances on so im?ortaht a question, he should hovel Monday next.
no ehjet tint, if the coinmeniention could be made to-
morrow, with the tint uh.ents to which he had al-
bided, to come to tino discussion on Tuesday, or even
on Monday ; but if that information could not be
laid before them till Monday, he thought some fur- !
Cher delay would be couvenient.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, that the!
tr,ual method was to take into consideration a !lies-;
!age from the Crown net the first day of business af- •
IC, it seas brought down. He believed he should be
able to rrove, that no ground exi:;ted for a &pare
tent from the usual practice in the present instance.
The ratifications of two of the Treaties had been re-
ceived, duly executed, and of the third tho ratifica.
tions were not yet received, though notice was re-
ceived that it had been ratified. The ratified Treaties'
were precisely the same as those which had already
then laid, in substance, before the House. The De-
claration also, which hurl been affixed by this Go.
apritment to one of the Treaties, had met with the
approbation of all the Allies. As to the communi-
cation from the Government of France, he had men.
boned before that no overture had been made, and
Vial it was referred to the Allies at Vienna, and he
,I‘l now to state, that no negociation would he enr
tiled into on that overture. Such being the state of
the case as to facts, be thought no delay was neces-
sary.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN observed, that the
astere of the overture from France was not known
tee the House, but it was most material that it should
be laid before the douse before their Lordships
should decide that the Government had acted pro-
perly in rejecting it.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said be bad no objec-
ting to the prodoction of it.
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM said, it was
necessary to know, trot only whether the Allies bad
!zre.d to our Declaration, but whether they had
Joined any proviso to their own ratification.
Thel*rl of LIVERPOOL. eaitly. that the Allies
hall sulfoined no prOvisoes.
Earl GREY expressed a hope, that as there was
t" of jection to the production of the communication
f- m the French Governotint, it would be laid be-
' t the House.

"6. Tharwherensbyin Act inane by the la' e Parlia-
ment of fre'and, in the 6th year of tie reign of her late
Majesty Queen- Anne, and h_%.• a .othor Act made by
the said Parliament, in the '2ll year of the reign of
his late Majesty King C;eorga the Second, any Re-
u.an Catholic priest solemnising marrinee between(
any two person' (boing Protestants, nr '4/her Of them i
being a Pretestant) is rendered subject to certain:
punishments mentioned in the said Acts respective`
ly, it k expedieryt,
that the said provisions of the said Acts ho repealed
so f..r as the same relate to curb puttishinoitts as
aforesaid ; and that any Roman Catti.iiie clero man,
who shall heteafter solemnise marria4e between two
Protestants, or between any Protestant and Rotnnts
Catholic (such Protestant and -Ittitatt Catholic not
having been previously martied by a Protestant
clergyman, and the slid Roman Catholic clot-gym-art
knowing such party to he a Protestant) shall forfeit
a sum of 1001. to his Majesty for the same, 011-Cbrt•
vier' ' th' ~f

5e......_ _ ~ consideration of souse. on Pram- action thereto.
leg those Resolutions, he had been aided by the sag- "7. That if any officer, or person holding any
gestione of those Gentlemen who had waited upon military or naval office, or situation under his Ma..
him with the Catholic Petition in Dublin, and to jesty, his heir-, or successors, shall by punishment,
whom he naturally said that it would be very de- force, menaces, or otherwise compel, or endeaveile
sirable to know what were the views of the Petition. to compel, any BoMan Catholic soldier, sailor, ots
en—what the exact nature of the claims to which marine, to assist or o present at the celebration of
they wished Parliament to accede. I divine worship, ace ;;leg to nay other form theta
Mr. tORKE rose to order, and asked whether the form of the B .an Catholic deligion,
the Honourable Baronet meant to conclude with any I it is expedient such officer or person so.
motion, because his observations would otherwise be offending, shall forfeit and pay far every such offence
irregular. I a sum of 1001. sterling, of British currency. ,
Sit. HEY PARNELL replied, that it was not 46 8. That it shall anti may be lawful to and let&
..
his intention to have concluded with any motion, but the Roman Catholic inhabitants of View realms, • '.4.,
in order to conform to order, he now meant to move j to sit and vote in either House of Partite
his first Resolution, after stating the nature of the ment ; and to hold, etercise„ and ilk '
several Resolutions which he held in his hand, and joy all civil, judicial, and military and nasal oleos,
which contained the precise description of what the and places of trust or profit, under his Majesty; his.
Catholics of Ireland required Parliament to do in heirs and successors, within these realms, and the
their behalf. These Resolutions, which he meant on • dominions, dependencies, and colonies hereunto he-
a future day to submit to the consideration of a Corn- longing,.and to take and receive any degrees of Me-
mittee of the whole House, he proposed to have dicine, Law, or Arts, in any of the Universities of
printed, and in making this proposition, he was go- . Great Britain or Ireland, and to be students, exhile-
vented by the precedent established by the House in tioners, scholars, professors, and taw-follows for any
the case of the Right Hon. Member for Liverpool, of the said Universities or Colleges belonging there.
whose clauses for the security of the Protestant Este- to; and to held, exercise, and eiijoy
blishment, as these clauses were denominated, were ; the offices of Mayor, Sovereign, aiililf, Alderman,
ordered to be printed. The Hon. Baronet then read ; Treasurer, Sheriff, Town-clerk, Councilman, Mae.
the following Resolutions:— 1 ter or Warden of any Guild or Fraternity ; and all.
44 1. That it is expedient the Roman Catholic in. such offices (by whatever name the same may be
habitants of these realms shall not be liable or sub. called) in any city or town within these realms;'
jest to any laws for the limitation, charging, or dis. and also the Offices of
covering of their estates, real or personal, or Governors, Dopoty-Governors' and Directors of the,
touching the acquiring, enjoying, holding, or dis- 1 Banks of England and [reload respectively, and lit
posing.of property of any kind or nature, ' other offices therein ;
and also to he
save such as the Protestant inhabitants members of any other lay-body corporate. anti to
of these realms are liable and subject to. i enjoy the freedom, franchises, and immunities there-,
" 2. That it shall not be necessary, in order to of ; and to hold, exercise, and enjoy an.). office or
enable or entitle any Roman Catholic inhabitant of place of trust therein, any
.41004
these realres to vote at any election of a Member or . charter, bye-law, or upage to the contra/yO6-041z
Members to serve in Parliament, or any other elec. anywise notwithstanding, .
tion ; or to vote at any election of a Representative taking and subscribing the oath and declaration f 01..,
Peer of Scotland ; ol- to be enrolled as a freeholder lowing :—(ltisiead of the Oaths of Allegiance, A
in any shire or stews rtry of Scotland, or to vote in • juration, and Supremacy, and instead of inskiogaitf.:
any proceeding of the court of freeholders, or to be subscribing the Dnlaration against traneolssinnties. .
chosen presses or clerk of such court, or to be tion, the sacrifice of the 'mass, and the itieneati;,ioolf:
chosen a commissioner or delegate for choosing Bur- saints now by law required, and instead of taking Utp)
gesses to serve in Parliament for any district of bo- sacrament, according to the forms of the Protestant
roughs in Scotland ; or to enable or entitle any Peer Roligion);
~.. ... ..- thatla to. say; efstiii'.
of Ireland to vote at any election of a representa- ; taking and subscribing (be following
live Temporal Peer, or to make or sign any return Oath and Declaration :
to the writ of election of a Temporal Peer pursuant I 46 1, a/. B. do hereby declare, that . I profess the
to an Act made for that purpose by the late Parlia- I Roman Catholic Religion.
ment of Ireland, in the 40th year of the reign of his ; (6 I, A. B. do hereby promise and swear, that I
present Majesty that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to his
any such inhabitant or Peer should, at or previous 1 Majesty King George 111. and him will defend
to the time of Isis so voting, or being so enrolled or to the utmost of my power, against all can.
chosen, or so making or signing a return to any writ apiracies and attempts whatever that shall be
of election, respectively as aforesaid, take or sub- made against his Person, Crown, or Dignity :
scribe the oaths of allegiance, abjuration, and supre- and I will do my utmost to disclose and make
macy ; Or make or subscribe the declaration against known to his Majesty, his heirs and successors,
transustantiation, the sacrifice of the mass, and the all treasons and traitorous conspiracies which.
invocation of saints. - may be formed against him or them.
"3. That whereas doubts have been entertained " And Ido promise to maintain, derend, and sup-
whether the provisions of an Act made by thelate port, to the utmost of my power, the succes-
Parliament of Great Britain, in the Rees year of the lion to the Crown (which succession by law
reign of his late Majesty, King George the Second, now stands limited to the Princess Sophia,
entitled 'An Act for the better preventing of Clan- Electress and Duchess Dowager of Hanover,
destine Marriages,' extend, or ought to extend, to deceased, and the heirs of her body, being Pro-
RIOTS. , or affect marriages between Roman Catholics. testants).
General THORNTON rose, agreeably to notice, "it isexpedient that the said Act, and the provi- 44 Hereby utterly renouncing and abjuring any
to move for leave to bring in a Bill for the more ef- sions therein contained, shall be deemed, taken, and obedience or allegiance unto any other person,
fectual prevention of Riots. With this view he construed, not to extend or to affect any marriages claiming or pretending a right to the Crown of
meant to propose, that as the present Riot Act en- of Roman Catholics (where both the parties shall be these realms.
acted that unless rioters dispersed within one hour ' Roman Catholics) ; but that all such marriages of 16 Aral Ido not believe, that any foreign Prince,
after proclamation was made, they should be guilty Prelate, State, or Potentate, bath or ought to
Roman Catholics, being duly solemnised acccording
of felony, they should be called upon to disperse to the forms of the Roman Catholic religion, shall have, any temporal or civil jurisdiction, power,
immediately upon the reading of such proclamation, superiority, or pre.etnittence, within these
be excepted from the operation of the said Act,
or be subjected to a certain penalty ; or if they did • in like manner as marriages amongst persons profess- realms. •
not disperse within a short time afterwards, they
should he liable to transportation. Another object ipeegopthlee cajellwedisQh ureakliegrisona'reanbaymthaerria
said
dArt amongst " And Ido declare, that I swear this oath, and
de
every part thereof, in the plaits sod ordinary
of his Bill was to empower any present to take riot. from the operation thereof. sense of the words of this oath.
ors into custody, and to provide iudemnity for such ' 66 4. That it shall and may be lawful to and for "So help me God,"
as should have their houses damaged or windows
' any person or persons whomsoever, to give, grant, The Hon. Baronet concluded with moving in this
broken by any riotous assemblage, the existing law transfer, or convey to any person or persons (and instance, that it was expedient to have these Resolu•
affording a very partial relief on this subject. But for sech person or persons to take, receive, and tions laid on the table.
as houses were very liable to be injured and windows hold) any lands, tenements, hereditements, goods, ' After a conversation between the Speaker and Sir
broken through illionsinations„ his anxious wish was money, or other property, for the maintenance, Henry Parnell as to the order of proceeding, The
to prevent illumination altogether [a taught, and support, or benefit of any Roman Catholic chapel or Honourable Baronet moved that the first Resolution
with that view he proposed to subject to a certain house of worship, priest, or minister of worship, should be read, which motion was seconded by Mr.
penalty such as should illuminate upon any occasion. school, hospital, or other pious or charitable foun- P. Moore.
These the Honourable Member described to be the dation or establishment of such or the like nature, ' Mr. BANKES observing that he should abstain at
' outlines of his Bill, which, in its progress, other i in the like present from entering at large into the merits of the
and more competent persons would have an oppor- manner, and to the same extent as his Majesty's Catholic Question, sugge,;•ed for the consideration of
tunity of rendering more effectual to the end In Protestant Dissenting subjects are now enabled and the Hon. Baronet, that he ens proceeding dised.
view. authorised by law to make and execute gifts, grants, ! vantageously for his own object ; because he himself,.
The motion being made, and seconded by Sir E. and conveyances, as aforesaid, for the maintenance, , for instance, if called upon to vote upon this Reeolu-
BRYDGES, it was decidedly negatived, after a few support, or benefit of any Protestant Dissenting' tion, as it appeared to be one of a string of Reaolue
words against it from Mr. YORKE. chapel, or house of worship, minister of worship, tions, lie should feel it his duty to vote against it ;
Mr. A. BROWN asked why the list some time school, hospital, or other pious or charitable lode-' and thus if the motion were rejected, the Honourable
since ordered with respect to certaiu appointments dation or establishment of snch or the like nature. Baronet was liable to be deprived of the head and,
to Colonial Offices had not yet been laid before the . 46 5. That if any person or persons shall mali- front of the object which he desired In attain. The
House? 1 ciously disturb any congregation or meeting of per- • clauses alluded to by the Hon. Baronet were, he was
Mr. GOULBURN stated that the retorts alluded eons assembled in any Roman Catholi.- chapel, or
i' aware, ordered to he printed ; but that order was
to had already been presented. i other place, for the purpose of religious worship, made ti rough rt sort of private consent and corms,-
Mr. BROWN declared that he had not been able according to the forms of the Roman Catholic.reli- ; tion between Gentlemen on both sides of the roma.
to lay his hand upon this return, although he had en- gion ; or shall ma- don, to which convention i.e and others felt it intend.
I
quired about it. liciously prevent, hinder, or disturb such religious sisteut to accede with respect to the present Result,.
IRISH CATHOLICS. I worship ; or shalt assault ; tions, and of that the Hvn. Baronet 11A41 had dee no.
Sir HENRY PARNELL rose, pursuant to no.; or menace any Roman Catholic clergyman,. idd such i tice. On these grounds he thought it would be more •
lice, to submit certain Resolutions to the Horne I chapel or place, whilst officiating or about to officiate! advisable on the part of the lion. Baronet not to per.
with respect to the claims of the Irish Catholics. In therein ; it is expedient that every 1 severe in his notion, which was the less necessary
these Resolutions it was his object to when the such person so offending shall forfeit and pay for ! now that the Hose Baronet had had an opportunity
course of proceeding which he proposed to pursue, every such offence a sum of '2Ol. sterling, British ,of fully apprising the House of the nature of his pm.
I with a view to satisfy the parties retorted to, with- currency. I positions.