The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-04-17 00:00:00

DIPERI/L PARLIAMENT.

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HOUSE OF LORDS, Aron. 16.
On the second reading of Moon's Divorce Bill, Mr. Carrniv
d another t,enthrulan attended as Counsel for the Petitioner.
Several wimmes were evamined to prove their inorriage, the
recovery of damages in au action of crim. con. and the adultery
alleged to have been committed by the Lady with Mr. Miller.
Ott the renamed •-•osideration of Blachford's Divorce Bill.
evidence was adduced to prove the validity of the marriage at
Vienea and sib° the adultery alleged to have been committed
by th.. :ady with Mr: plgges Latuuchc. Further eonsidetatioa
to-morrow.
The i.arl of DERBY presented a Petition from the Cotton
Manufacturers and others, of Blackburn, for opening the lion
India Trish-, which, after being read, was ordered to lie on the
tables as was a Petition from the Pro oiietors of Iron Works,
ia Shropshire, presented by Lord Bradford.
IridrSpirits Warehousing Bill, and the Pilots' Regulatiee-
Bill, were read a third time and passed.
The Coffee Auction DuPy Bill, the Irish Grain Export Bill,
some local and privy a Bills were brought up from the Com-
room by Mr. LaPhingtoa, Sir James Graham, and other Mem-
bers. and read a first time. The' Thames Navigation Bill, and
the Port of Dublin Bill, were also returned with the amend—
• tames, agreed to.
• The h3aheepers' Allowances Bill,.anl the Penitentiary House
Bill, palled through Conimittees and were reported.
• -TENANTRY IN IRELAND. • *
. Earl STANHOPE, adverting to the notice he had
given, said he had to call the attention of the House
to acts of oppression which in injustice, inhumanity,
and impolicy, were almost equal to the miseries of
the African Slave Trade. Ile alluded to the oppres-
sion frequently exercised upon the tenants in pos-
session in Ireland, hi consequence of the middlemen,
of which there were •frequeutly setetat upt?n One
estate, ',eels-built-I; a right to diitratn for his rent
ppon the tenant in possession, by which the latter
lets called.upon to pay considerably more than the
.tent he Kad contracted to pay, and was reduced to
ehe greatest•dikrdSs in • consequence .;f tiiese•reute
being distrained for. -To exemplify what he meanh
he would stain sa case of sub-letting which• actualty
existed—A, let an estate to B. at a rent of 901. B.

d'
i
~ily rel... .city t. _.,_ Aug,
lluderlet it toll. at 7501. C. imderlet it to D. at 8501. who had gallantly distinguished himself at Tarifa, ly be 1
• cause he was a Roman Catholic ?
and D. to the tenant in possession at rents amountlng Mr. PARNELL presented a Petition from the Roman Cathni !
to 9401. For the whole of these.rents the tenants in tics of the Queen's, County ill! Trelandldwaeryeidnfotillebeoirletliiteevtaron
possession were liable to be distrained upon, and cegariniti42.4l47,
r&c.nwi!can I.r.
tea rasetiotion from a person Llama
have their cattle and their stock taken to satisf Mark Antony Mill), in the Isle of Man, praying the House n
claims which they had never contracted topay, Ile tat his.t case 4tligiiiNideraveitisiticeorti:g•tedhetOsho
lieu?: table.tnhemice tie
could not conceive a more heart-breaking circum- Chairmalny occasion in a hich he should'obscrve an insufficicd
stance than apoor ,nail of this description deprived n . I,sy IT. olfa.ermbeorsv
rids
for
rCaonmm accountitt .
e of all the plain Loci! yprni
of his property, and driven with his family from their
, AcB.lTexpo. exported front Ireland, and Imported into Great Brihilq 1
home without any means of subsistence theta being durin4 the last three years. Ordered.
no Poor's-rate! is Ireland) but what he derived bybeg- 1 A , essarlade from the Lords acquainted the }louse that their i
agreed to the Irish Warehouse Ball, and serrial
ging from cottage to cottage. He had framed a Bill to I Lordship'
private Bills, without any amendment.
remedy this evil, and which hehad prepared with con-The Asa Coach Exemption Bill was then read a second thne.
siderable care, but for which however he took no. NAVY OFFICE.
credit to himself, the idea having been suggested to Sir FRANCIS BURDETT moved for an Account
bin in an exc !lent pamphlet, written by Mr: O'Dedy, 1 of the number of Clerks employed, and the salaries
; Barrister, a gentleman from Ireland. The remedy I paid to each, in the ,Navy Office. He conceived it ,
he i)ronivie4 was to take away from every derivative to be a very hard case, that persons who had beat
Lesie,,, except the immediate lessor of the tenant in twenty or thirty years in laborious situations, should
“-,...5i0u the remedy of distress against the tenant I yet be entitled to no increase of remuneration.
in possession, leaving only to such derivative lessee a , Some of the salaries had beekeven reduced, although 1
remedy for his resit against his sub-lestee, but pro- !many of the places in this Office had been purchased ; !
Tiding that the in-lediaie lessor of the tenant in pus-land he was informed, that Lord Barham had received ;
session should not distrait} fiat:- the amount of rent money for several. He concluded with moving for !'
die to the head landlord, unless such rent had been :several other Papers relative to this subject.
first paid. By this measure, he contended, that th ' Mr. YORKE opposed the Motion; and observed,
head landlord would have his rent better reared, and that whatever the practice had been in Lord Barham's
el
the tenant' in pessessi- wbe relieved from greit,oo- time, none such existed at present. 1
pression, whilietthe middle man vs-Auld be lento siehre Sir F. BETRDErI thought a no/ ground was 14d;
his remedy for the rent due to him. wherb at he „fur the Miition, since it appeared that.some enquiry ,
-ought to be andwed to seek if; frogs his luii.issee was necessary Into Lord Barhani's conduct. As the
with whoa Ai had contracted. Having - stated the'{ case stood at present, some persons might be said to
outline of his proposed Measure, which vras also ap- . have been little lesi than swindled out of their
illeablit to Engtapd, he expressed a wish that the money.
addict should be considered with that attention Mr. YORKE exPlained.
*bicll its importance.desorved, and moved that the Sir C. POLE was against the motion ; after which
Balls,. read a first time, intending to move after- the. House divided—Ayes 15—Noes 62.
wards that it be printed. • LICENCE TRADE.
Lord RUMS-DALE was aware, and lamented.. The Minot/rage Mr. HERBIRT observed, .that
the fait, that several cases of Pi pression had occurred on rising to move-for the production of certain Pa-
in
Ireland under the law of distress. He- had turned, pers connected with the trade now carried on under 1
his ittenliOn a gOod deal to the subject, but there, the Licence System, he had only refrained from
were so many difficulties to encounter, that he had . bringing the subject forward at an earlier period,
not be-n able to frame. any measure that he could . from a wish that his Right Hon. Friend, the Judge
propose as satisfactory.. A considerable part of the of the High Court of Admiralty, should attend in
land in Ireland was let upon leases.for lives renewa- , his place on the discussion of a question in which,
ble for ever, and the property .derived under these 1 from the office he held,he must feel so deep an interest.
leases, was considered in that country as nearly equal , /le now wished that these Papers should be laid be..
to fee simple. He himself knew a Gentleman, who' fore the House previous to that grave decision which
grandfather had let an estate of. 13,000 acres in that they might expect soon to be called on to make with
way, reserving 800 acres for demesne, and which 800 , respect to the numerous petitions against the Orders
acres, now produced more than the amount of the in Council.—[Hear, hear !] He had communicated
reserved rents of the 43,000 acres. It was this coin-1 his intention to submit this motion to the Right Ho-
plication and multiplicity of tenures in Ireland, which 1 nourable Gentleman opposite, who desired to con-
caused the difficulty in applying a remedy to the evil al- suit with the Judge of the Court of Admiralty
luded to by the Noble Ea rl.lVith respect to the rent due before he answered as to the objections which he!
to the head landlord, it was not the general practice to might have to make to the motion. After consult- I
resort tii distresi, but to ejectment, and to autho- ing with that Right Honourable and Learned Gen-
rize the resorting to that remedy, there mist be a tleman, the Right- Honourable Gentleman had ac-
year's rent due; aitcleifier recovering a verdict and . quainted him with the necessity which he felt of op-
ebtainine possessiam, the party ousted might, withinlposing the production of these Pipers. He should
six months, file a bill in equity, and upon payment have imagined, therefore,- that his Hight Honour-
of the rent and all the costs, it was a matter of I able Friend, the Judge of the Milt Court of Adad- .
course to restore use hind. rt was undoubtedly tree,: ratty, would have deemed it neceetairy
..en this occa-
that with respect to the other eats, distress was a i sion to attend and Wort the Holtman whnt a , e
Mutt mare cormon remedy eminwpireburitly, arid' ral grounds it itis,llintte, was averse to pr. "!' e 1
it was a melan fact, shale 'every considerable documents, withotit which it was impossible to *Tel
estate, there s=perstiti oar a permanent establish- !
an accurate knowledge 'of 'the frauds, the pvrjuses, 1
went, called the driyer, whose business it was to take and forgeries - with which 'the Licence Trade was !
possession of the cattle and stock of the tenants in 'tarried on. The speech of the Right Honourablei
possession under distraints. The great cause of the the Vice President of the Board of Trade, whets the
frequency of distraints, was the poverty of the Order; in Council were lately, under consideration.i
tenants who had no capital beforehand, and who had filled him with great anxiety, which he had
taking the land at a -rent which only the produce of a shewn perhaps too plainly, in rising at a• very late
favourable season could pay, were wholly unable to . hour on that night, when he found it, however, im-
discharge it if there was as unfavourable season.— possible to procure a bearing ; but he had ever since
The tenant in possession, however, took the land felt, and still continued to feel the saute anxiety to ,
with a knowledge of .the previous contracts for sqb- ' skew and to preve, by ideontrovertifile evidenc,e, how '
letting, and it would frequently operate with the . unfounded were the additions then bazarded by that
greatest injustice, if the derivative lessee had only a :Right Honourable Gentleman. [Hcar, hear I.] He
remedy for his rent, against his sub-lessee. He, was fearful on that occasion, and his fear alone had however, did not meals to oppose the Bill in this induced him to intrudel' Oa the pa muce of the Howse,
stage 4,14 wishing the subject to meet with the that his silence on hearing such statements and user.
fullest Consideratioll.
The
,Earl of SUFFOLK instanced a case in which ' lions made without contradiction, should have been
a landlord ikkelend had abolished the middle . - • T --
interpreted into ah acquiescence hi their correctness
men, and their truth. he reason stated by the Chancellor letting his land aeon advanced mist?
_ and had by that of the Exchequer for resisting the production of 'the
step gained great p,opniarity. '' • , Papers asked for, namely,- that it would be inctriae
The Earl of CLANCAItTY thanked the Noble •
venient, because, if they were to be granted, it woad
Earl (Stanhope) for his attention to the affairs of Ire- be necessary for those on'the otliei side to move 'tQr
land, hut doubted very much the practicabilityl .
crap_ Papers explanatory of theneutralizing system, seem-
plying the propesed remedy , •
nor could it be applied ;ell to him to be roost extraordinary, and in tssi this -
in the manner suggested without unjustly interfering! •
mon the House must agree- witi hint when it. was
with by-gone contracts. Ile was, however, happy
considered what.. the nature of those Papers must be.
to state, that the system of under-letting in Ireland
wakgradually wearing away, apt must continue tO The neutralizing system wag one for the cilsguitingof
property, to prevent persons in this comatrfbous
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circumstance to statewhich
thenever have come
dlsgtrieting to whom it really belonged, and, to such
beenlintle'r
~,.____warearf' , ibn was it carried, even persons f the ut- bate ' ____...._,............„_....4
Mit'aetuteness were disappointed in their eirdea- would, il ii
a , pro_
aura to come at the fact. Ile should now proceed had been to show •to what extent perjury existed, in the '.sub'ect inn thes'
Council
Licence Trude, and that it was necessary for the referred '
continuance of that Trade in this Country.. The licence wee
fret Paper be should move for went to .•
. prove, Ito import a cargo of butt
that oaths were required to be taken on the ; (ion was presented
•Continent, before any vessel could be permitted I answer was___
to clear Wt, that she was to proceed to a Port
to light, had it iot
beixertion of an active Gentleman wni
even to trace an erasure u3n the
_ uncil Books. The case to n hid] lie
was that of the Vrow Debora, for wl ••
Icaptured, and the
named, or any other. port, and was to carry such 1 tion was mad ' onli
applied for by Messrs B k "di
a
. a -er and eon
er and cheese. This Pc ) .11.
“ on the 40th of January, and the
refused." The vessel was afterwards
30th of January, an applies.
and such property. Every English port, however,,l alt • e to.
.ave the Licence granted, with
alteration or addition, that the cargo should be an
and every species of English property, however, being ported
In a. British vessel; and withthis
always excepted. To prove this he should confine the Licence
grated. was Mr. W. Itotherey, f
himself to one institute, where the Captain having, Doctors' Commons, had made an
affidavit ' e
as was required of him, taken this oath on the Con-in on this
, subject, which he stated the above factsA
tinent, made an answer the its the Admiralty Court in 1 ' , and that
re was an entry io the Council B ooks, hen/r he
this country, which he should also move for, that ; originally searched them, under date 2Qtli JiM
though previous, to his clearing out from the Conti- • theapplication•
for 1' Wiry,
a wave to the Vrow D b - '
neat, he had sworn that lie was not to proceed to marked as refused but that D. bon was
on a subsequent exami.
I any English port, yet in reality he was destined for il nation in April
following, the award refused had
the port of Leith. This, be presumed, would be I
vanished, and the word granted appeared in i
sufficient to chew that oaths Were taken on the Con- ; . stead. He e (Mr. Herbert) was satisfied rho ts
!
t oNoble
ttnent that vessels were net to proceed to this coins- ' Lord at the head
i of the Board of Trade, and the
try, when in really they were bound for this coun- ! Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. nose
I try under licence., But what be was most anxious to ' had nothing to do with this; but,
point out to the ettentispi,of the House
was, that were suffered, what a door for corruption and
these perjuries ;ye .recognized
.recogni in the Courts of this of every kind was hest 'opened. fie
had fraud
in his pos.
cotietry. To dr . holhOnld.pwre for. pa- ses..n'-at correspondence , from the other side et
jive 4a es isssi wit vioncinalatortou, ti L fligNmst
~ 4.k *high sheaved what Ike the opinion
*Wit own Oet•Jhe ilheetegnitd:every-ameAor Not . -of the -persons who had in.
were_perjured, the vessel wai.restored (matt iiiii—eieUrin-Z, ce on theV - reasury Board of :this county}, and
etridenee; such being coUsidered the machinery 'teen!. I went fere° pfsw' e that the statement of an Honour.
eery for carrying on the Licence Trade of this c0m1..; able and iseesutqlp‘Ffiend of his on a late important
try. in the case to which he alluded, the vessel come : debate—that the 'pencils who had influem there
to this trountrr from Anisterdam; from hence it pro- ' were no hiaterethan hawkers and pedlars was oat
ceeded to St. Petersburgh, and from thence returned too highly oolioured: it went far to she; that the
with a cargo to this country. There the Master, ;111,..rebers of that by ad Board were swayed
tweet
Mate, and rill the crew, for the satisfaction of the some parsons who imi ed ms upon them ; Ind thai,
Russian Government, swore that they had proceeded however pure thennelves, they were nee aced Upon
direct from Amsterdam to Russia, and accounted for ,by those who were not so. Before he proceeded to
fhe length of time that had intervened by a fahrica.ted i this correspondence, however, he begged to notice the
statement of tempestlions weather which they had fluctuating policy by whiCh the Board of Trade were
encountered, of bad eeentment on an inhospitable ;actuated; varying as it did every day, and thereby
island, and of interruptions by the ice. Were it giving rise to the most mischievous speculations. The
not that he understood from the Right Hon. Gentle- correspondence to which he referred proved the et.
man (Mr. Perceval) that the papers he wished would.; istence of a trade in buying up licences which had ex-
not be granted to him, he should have moved for the i pired, and fabricating excuses to the Board of Trade
whole of this double fabricated history ; and should .to induce them to renew them. The Hon. Gentle-
have shewn from the answer of the Captain in the man proceeded to go through a correspondence from
Court of Admiralty here, that• during the time he certain persons in Bourdeaux to an Agent in this
was struggling in the course of his voyage through country. .In one letter the foreign correspondent
the ice, as sworn to in his affidavit in Russia, he was directs his Agent to give 3000 francs for an ex-
actually in this country. He should not read the i pired licence, and to send it to him, that a story
whole of these papers, which were of considerable may be fabricated, or himself to fabricate a store sech
length, but simply stated these as their contents.— as might be calculated to induce the Boned of frsde
When this case was argued before the Court of Ad- to renew it. In another letter a similar measure ::
miralty, a junior Counsel, who, in the simplicity of recommended, and it is stated that a traveller sit: ,
his soul, thought that a perjured' document could , sent to meet the agent in England, so that the rietter
not be received in an English Court of Law, was may be more cleverly concerted. It was also stati.:‘,
treated with contempt for his ignorance, and was the lion. Gentleman said to be in the knowledge of
almost hooted at by his more experienced bre. ; this correspondent, as exreesed in his letters that
thren, for objecting to a document which was ne- i another person had already successfully practis..,. t .
cessary for carrying on the trade of this country. 'iniquitous fabrication.' In other letters this cc..;
This doctrine was assented to by the Court, and theispowdent informs his sent, that it he could get tr ,
objection was instantly over-ruled. He asked, was riceaces, one for the isle of Fiance, and another
he not founded in justice; in saying that this war a for.gnadaloers* he might give for tie .ormer 5001.
system so destructive to morality and to the well. and for the latter 7001. ; and throe Sums he ,s after.
being of the country, that it ought not at least to ! wards authorised to increase to 2000 guineas. 'These
receive the favour and protection of the Court of , sums, the Hon. Gentleman o' served, were offered,
Admiralty of-this country ? There was another , not as ii Licences were an article wh;ch could bst
paper which he would have moved for, namely, a , dealt in, but actually as briber; and the same cor-
Copy of Instructions how to act in case of a vessel's respondent seemed to think that by offering addi.
being detained, as exhibiting a most disgusting Pic- tional bribes he could get the conditions of Licences
ture of the frauds which the country was reduced to changed. Gentlemen might smile, supposing that he
practise, in order to be enabled to carry on this trade imagined that the Board of Trade had been bribed.—
by licences. It would not be necessary for him to I.That was not an idea which 'had ever entered his
fatigue the House by an enumeration of the different mind; but this he might be allowed to say, that the
false, fabricated, and Inconsistent documents which Board might have been necessitated to take advice
these instructions recommended every Captain to be from persons who had been bribed. Whether the
provided with, so as to suit every emergency. It' Licences so wished to be purcluuted bad or had not been.
was sufficient to say, that perjury- was universally obtained, he (Mr. Herbert) had no knowledge. But
practised throughout the whole system; and that it this, at least, did appear that them tgleted a belief in
was even admitted and tolerated in our Courts of the ports of France that they Might be obtained
Admiralty. That this was the case, be had already through bribery ; a belief which .It was hardly pro-
explained in the instance of the vessel from Amster- bable should have existed, unless It had been founded
dam, to which he had already alluded. For, if he on experience. After some further remarks the Hon.
could show, which he pledged himself to do, if the ! Member concluded by moving the following Heso-
papers were grunted to him, that a single vessel., lution :
..
had been liberated where it was evident all the do.; I " 'Mat the House sees with revere* gstem of fraud and
cuments were grounded on perjury, than there could,' perjury recognized and protected by the High Court of Admi.
be no doubt what the principle was, and that it i rally, as justifiable and necessary tinder the present tire
and :::
ought to be looked.at with horror and detestation._ ! emitters. oft Commercethehhoh of iberCodb7try ; t
the dhee
147:example it
Ile could not say that, to his conception of the that-'1
~ -re2oPirlisn:iii t too wthe moralste"of thstemesNall ion; dangerouspra to the funda-
ter, the Court of Admiralty had done its duty.
Wa" i niemei • •
principles of evidence, and encouraging a disregard of
a person sitting. in judgment to be told that it war, truth In Courts of Justice, where truth only ought to be admitted;
necessary to colour and protect property by fraud ' as well as the unprincipled nutoopoirof conducting trade with
and perjury; to listen to that idea, because be was an enemy by means of Licences, from which Neutral li..tions
informed, as a reason for his doing so, that the per- are excluded, on a plea of necessity, Subversive of the most so-
jury was committed, not for the purpose of deceiving cred principles of the:taws of estioat.”
this country, but for the purpose of deceiving our Mr. astonishment at the
ROSE expressed his utter as
enemies? lie could not -listens-listensto such reasoning.—•-motion jest read, calling upon the:House to pass the
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liq isltstrAillitutio...,late his. idektilirstgliii4l7 the .fitronekt. cenuKA Apaik-Alle Coup 4 .41.thlligalth •
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rules or. justice.. He,,coakl • not swerve from his without the slightest testimony being adduced
re.
duty; but was, tuoindvto.ipelieve that a person who prove that it was well foulded._ He went ou tots 0
4-ould not scrutile to peejure.himself, or to take a' ply to Mr. Herbert upon the eeriety of poie
rets.
false osithibie the purpose of deceiving our enemies, which he had adverted, contenaiog that the elp.ec
would.hive equalte little' scruple in deceiving- es.— Sion he employed in a former debate on this subject
Wherowere the Hittite' lo • such a system, he asked, had been misunderstood. As statement_
_ce:,.
to he drawn? Where was it to stop? He did amounted to this—that under the. system of I i
'note know if war a question had ever come be- ces less perjury existed than anterior to itsthe6stem
establish-
fore any of our Courts .of common law. If merit. Be was firmly perraded.th If
tahte conseeLace
it ever did, he sincerely hoped they would fol- now adopted were abandon , . Greg
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low a different Copse, and would not give credit would be the extinction of the. commerce of
to perjured men and to perjured documents. The
.Britain, ...
next article to which he begged to call the attention' • 'MG. 11. THORNTON was surprised that thi
been confined to the
of the House, wai the abuses resulting from this motion'of Mr. Herbert had not .
lie might, perhaps,
system, and from this Trade. An Hoe, Friend of , production of Papers, on which..„ ~
oine future vote of censure. ti e'.
his, when this subject was formerly before the have fouided.s
did .
that it
exist, and thought
I lousecalled their attention to the fact of two Li- . mitted _that frauds to
,enquiry ehould b..: iustitutel
senses hiring beeei granted for brandy, at a time . Would befit !hat. an
When such Licences were not generally granted, and ; ascertain their origin. • read
when two such Licences would have been well worth Mr: PONSONBY agreed
That the Ipso] ution
it sod
,
to any man, as it was stated, the sum of 15,0001. } from the Chair was ill-limed-eod imprudet
The excuse then made was, that this was a solitary I that, notwithstanding the declared opposition that wes
instance, and,. as such. was not of much importences- to be given, it would have been better simply to base
He felt the full weight of fie
The Papers he should have moved for on this subject; moved for the papers.
as convinced that ne
he coaceirod, might have been granted, notwithstand- remark of Mr. Thornton, and w f
P.
Honourable I profit which we could derive from rsud,cculd comp.
c.
ing the objection stated by the Rig
1 injury that would arise from the debtru ,
Gentleman (Percevat)to the production of the other sate for the
As to the proceediegl • '
Papers, for the Papers On this subject were not at tion of the public morals.
''`d t° give
all met by the nen tettlizbeee system. Wirat he begged, the Court of Admiralty,
he was not-prepared
iii the first place, particularly to allude to was, the any positive opinion,_
without nisch previous eye°of,
ante-dating
te dating of Licences. ' On this head he had ,a
.and therefore moved as an Amendment, " That this

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Beta., will, on Ave I lit liiq , *solve n 84.1146 k,
• Coannce of the talidlo•Plon * • to take into tenet.
aeration the state of the • ' eof this Cotiniry as,
carried oft by Liceitte." Should, howeveti this sug-
gestion, as he supposed it• 'who'd, be negatived, he
weld recommend to his Hon. FriEut! (Mr. Herbert),
to move for the pritduction of the ;various documents
to Which he had 'referred.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
cpposed the Amendment. • .
Mr. II ENR V, THOR NTON explained. I
Mr. BRO UEIII AM erg ued in favour of the Ainen6.
mot...
Mr. MARRYATT spoke against the Motion.
Mr. ALEXANDER BARING supported the
Mo!ion.
Mr. THOMPSON supported the Motion.
Nit.. WHITBREAD supported the Motion.
,Zir JOHN NlCOL.ope_osed the Motion.
sir JOHN xtwooftr spoke in support of Mr.
lit. selt's Motion.
Mr- ROSE z77--' • •
Nr. HERBER'
raked without a
Mr. NVHITBP
coneys grained fe
France for the It
The House
Tobacco Bill,
clauses. The,
_ale of tohat. wader
duty, which is is,,,
iset-be sold under
'alleged, of prott
gling. The fixing .
dared to be such a deputise from tie principle of
tommercial freedom, assught lead to the most. dan-
gerous innovatiotts; fait had bum too clearly proved
of late yeArs, that the putting a had principle on the
statute Book, in * trilling iustaute, *reed a door
for ittextension to the most important objects ; there
was a clause in the Bill, which went to vitiate all
bills, notes of hand, and.other negociable securities,
which might in any way be trued to hive t °sweeties
with any bargain in the purchase of tobacco, at a
less price than is. Id. per lb.
. It was argued by Sir John Newport, Mr..llorner,
Mr. Shaw, and other Gentlemen, that a merchant
might have a consignment of tobacco made to him,
and at the sittie time bills drawn on him for the pro.
bable amount of the produce, with orders to sell the
article to meet the bills when they became due. The
ronsignee might be under the necessity of selling the
tobacco, even at a loss of part of the duty, to meet
Lis engagements, and to prevent his failure ; while
the bills which had passed into innocent hands might
he tainted by the consequence of this act of necessity.
This statement of the Bill vitiating negociable oecu-
titles was stated by M-. Horner, upon which
Mr: Wt.:LLDLEY POLE observed, ,that it':
would he well if Learned Gentlemen would tate the
trouble to read a Bill before they auitnadverted upon
it. it so happened that the clause in the Bill went
oily to affect ready motley transactions.
Mr. HORNER retorted on Mr. Wellesley Pole
the eltatgp of not reading his own Bill, for he re.
(erred him to the clause, expressing generally all bills
and notes of baud casusected tfrith Was spoke the
inenitnum.
Mr. POLE acknowledged he was in an error.
Upon which, Mr. WILLIAM TAYLOR moved
that the Chairman should leave the Chair, report
progress, and beg leave to sit again. Ile did this, he
said, to enable Gentlemen, and particularly the au-
thor of the Bill, to have time to read it. It was ar-
gued, that in case of a glut of tobacco in the market,
it might be necessary for a trader, in order to pre-
serve his credit, to. sell at a los3. And supposing
that a trader should actually fail—if his stock of $4:l-
- could not be sold ander Is. ld. the creditors
might be deprived of their whole debt, whereas by
Balling the stock for what it would fetch in open
market, they might at least get a dividend.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
owned this might be a heaPy grievance, and he said
he vrould agree to *clause, enabling the assignees of
enalitots in case of bankruptcy, to sell uuder the
minimum. -
The Bills and Notes of Hand Clause was expunged,
and the Committee divided on the motion of adjourn-
meat, which was uegatived, and the Committee went
through the Bill.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of, and the 'house adjourned.

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Ti[ortiitss par, a have been seen in Leaden these Yesibritiy, Non two O'clock; big
few days peg, walking about in unall'parties, • with Iffigheess the Pasice Rtattiv held a &teak (tart:
tin i,
fabels on their hats inscribed tit follow I want House Detachments of the Life. and Foot
uarila attended as alma' with the Sate of Gr.ocz
work, and can have good charecter."—We knew
cgsima's hand in their jate haltering; they played
that one individual, of a decent appearance, was trod save the Kiose on the entrance At the Vhkes of
n, a few days ago, with a label on his hat of the YORK and Kerr • the latter came is state L &cum-
panied by the Da' ke of CrAturike I
above description ; but we doubt much whether the-Duke of
Sussex was also present. In addition, tlie/e were
" parties" have been noticed in the streets. It is
not in London that the effects of the evil can soon be the Prince of CASTELCICALA,' the Sardinian Arabes+
perceptible, because the pursuits of most of the In- odor, the Archbishops of CANTRRIURY
the Lono'CgAmcgt.con, the Lord and Yong,
Privy Seal, the
habitants are not of that nature to be so immedi- First Lord of the Treasury and. Chancellor of the
ately affected by the commercial restraints of war, Escheluer, the First Lord of the Admiralty? the'
Master. General of the Ordnance, the Secretaries of
as those living in great manufacturing towns in
State, the Judge of the Admiralty, the Judge-Advo.
'the country, whose existence depeisds solely upon
OR* the Lord Chamberlain and the Lord Steward.
the market for their goods continuing uninterrupted. D na
frlirh Beaufort, m
The bulk of the Merchants in the Metropolis are be- Zeena—siesec--Barii: Laiiioue—n;trltraorcinter.
sides in possession of greater capital than those in br/Ediglet,LlT'at:gelltattrerrimPorcauletitiareenrowYbr arcligaarclsveulglvUenx-,
them to resist I Mans:ell, }tent,
yHarrington, }jogai!, Cuurtoue, Ply-'
effect, and, ofj/"rlitsi"oilivarsec—Ftierbes, 71tibuarristhl , Morpetb, Proby, ittnelagb,
Lomas--thanthem, St. Helens, Roes. Itedesdale, Bardley,
'orkmen much Melh*urne. • •
quarter. But I Healey, Andserst, Carder, H. Paulen, Killeen, lieuthfield, J.
is of that na- 1 °.11,137,:aw...*
_Bath and Wells.
ere long'J sirpham Bilaurinfl,AM!.SHkaes__,l2lm;ll, lid Hi. Crawford4ll".
that the Remmers, h. Rivers, T. Gail, Hill, T. Ennoade, G. Jet-
hale already:ll4lMb", J. Samaras, &c. &e. &c.
grieeLlistsiber of presentations teak, plat*.
among whicli-Wetietbe
Col. Dillon, to present the Petition of the Preteehlllent the
Coentriof Mayo; in &Tour of the Irish Catholic claim.
The Earl of Whined,' Lord Kbeirea, the Hon. Theis. Sonieviall6
Sir Thomas Essamade, Sir Francis Gould, Gen, AmlsSese, Mr.
O'Cotusor, Mr. Bark, Mr. Mac Donnel, &c. to resent -en
Address from the Hennas Catholics of Ireland.
Sir Francis Burdett, with *Petition, from the tone et Mel-4
took-Moors, Lancashire.
Sir Francis Gooli, with an Address from the Catholics of the
County and City of Cork, and the Catholics of the Queen's
County.
Mr. (Moaner, to present ais Address from the Catholics Oahe
Comity of Roscommon.
Mr. /Ingot, to present an Address from the Catholics of the
Town and County of Carlow.
Mr. T. Plunkett, aids the Citholic Addren from Monaghan. 1
Sir Thanes Esmonde, with an Address froth the Catholics of
the Coast; of Wearopi.
It is stated that accounts have been received from

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gust.
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The extraordinary exertions which are making Is
France to equip their fleets; and the naval demon.
strations which have been lately shown in the different
ports of that extensive Empire, indicate somethinl
like a combination of various its of some grecs
plan of operations about to be put hi force by B
PAUTL. Nothing has transpired ich - lea
bat

e_ -.insp. . whi can
Lisbon of the French troops on the Tagus having
to any certain conclusion of his ulterior views, ' crossed the river at Almarez, for the purpose of re•
there are so many points of attack, so many objects [storing the communication with' Scne, which has
to gain, that if any principal naval expeditioA should i been cut off by the advance of General GRAHAM and
J fail, the minor purpose of harassing and distressing General HILL. The principal corps which the enemy
our trade, and particularly in lessening or diverting' had en the Tagus was that of General Morranert,
1 who had returned from Valencia, and who is sup.
both our means of attack and defence, will be ob-1 to have been reinforced by Sucarr. It is this(
, .
I
I tamed. 'Tis true that certain destruction will j force which is believed to hare made the movement at
await his fleets, if met by nearly an equal number I Almarez.
of ours ; but repeated lessons of experience must I A private letter from Lisbon, dated the 3d intermits.
leive taught BosArArrE caution ; and after haring t states as follows :---" General Ltrries division is
to Badajoa, where the work is now hot, se rested quietly on his oars for these last seven years, / going
, !thirty 24-pounders art playing upon that city. It
till he has procured a fleet of 100 sail, it is highly I will, however, lam afraid, cost es very dem Al.
improbable that he will venture upon an expedition ready, about forty Officers, and a proportiouate
' of any magnitude by sea, without calculating at `number of men, have beets killed or wounded, sine,
least on a-probable result to his project. What that , the commencement of the operations."
I project may be, we can only conjecture, and even The Public will rejoice to hear that there is groat
I then we may be far distant from the trutL We can- Pr°l3llal.fitZ.t?!.. the °.!ltier.ta.beitipedadtted. to slaw
1 ... - .., -- - - ahem orate Trude to Ghtue. The present
, fret, however, 'rotator the- apprehenuotrwe enter- 1-ia!lielP.
• , agitation of this interesting subject, by the enlightened
fain, that, at no distant period, an attempt will be : part of the mercantile community, has tended to re-
made to co-operate, by a coup de main, with some or, move all those fears and 'dangers with which the Corn-
those numerous depots of French prisoners which : pany,in their desiretomaintaintheirunjustmonopoly,
exist in this country. Should a well-appointed , have an long and so successfully alarmed this nation.
force of 5000 men be able tQ effect a landing with I It is a notorious fact, that the teas sold at the Com-
-10 or 15 000 stand of arms it would we fear be no
, pany's Sales, oon an average of the last ten years,
1 , , , ~ . •
I I have been 85 per cent. dearer (duties out of tneques-
very difficult matter for them to penetrate into ition)
the interior of this country, and supply those pri- than the teas imported into New York by the
Americans, who, in common with all other nations
loners with arms, before a competent force could be at peace with this country, are allowed a direct trade
collected to oppose them with effect. It indeed seems to China, which they carry on to a great extent, and
Something like a plan of eur arch enemy, that an ex- an immense profit, while British subjects are most
eessive accumulation of his troops should remain 'vigilantly and jealously excluded from all participa.
here; for we bear of no attempts to get them ex- lion in such trade.y 1 S brave TANIIOPE brought forward his plan, lastchanged, and it is seen that Naroteov can raise an night, for the relief of the Trish peasantry from their
army of 100,000 men with as much facility as we degradation and wretchedness. In the course of his
can a thousand, which renders the services of the very affecting and manly address in favour of these'
prisoners unnecessary. Should one of his aqua.' people, his Lordship, among many other topics of.
drons, therefore, attempt our northern coast, with !great importanie, pressed. most. emphatically on. the
'House the necessity of interposing the law of Eng-
such an object in view, let us ask how we can
' land, in the first instance, between the poor and the
meet it ?—We might perhaps muster from the I• powerful, between the middleman and the cultivator
Humber to the Tweed, about four or five thousand of the soil, who had no contract with, or knowledge
effective men, and betwixt the Tweed and the Firth of one another. Yet under the present state of
of Forth as many more ; but before thiv number , things, the former may, as the law now stands, seize
would be ready for the on his miserable victim, the occupant, though he
field, all the French prisoners , .
in the south of Scotland might be liberated, armed . might have already paid his immediate lessor the
, whole rack rent, and compel him, notwithstanding,
and ready for action. The Mhole of the invading ito pay the profit rent, of whatever amount. The
army would eventually be either killed or takes;; Loan CHANCELLOR, in a vary mocked manner, oh.
but the evil consequences which might result from I served, that the question wu oestainly one which
such an attempt, it is impossible to calculate ; Bed of , was
' entitled to the atm* attandrs; and accordingly
!the SO was teethed antirread-a ling. time.
the advantages, as a diversion, which litniramisert
The Boston Election has ended in the return of tiiiVl
would derive, even in its thiture, a very shallow poll- I Hoge P. It. D. Draati.t., by a majority of 34 vote*
titan may aeon form to estimate. But we have heard I Mr. buttitaLt, on being declared the successful Can.'
of other schemes of the French Eurzeoe, such I didate, addressed the Electors in ashort but highly WI.•
as a descent on our African establishment, and portent speech, inasmuch as it contained his pledge to'
of the probability of his sending a feet to co- promote a Reforms in Parliament—to defend Reli.
....... flour Liberty—and the Liberty of the Pros—and
'lt 0 N DON: operate with General MIRANDA in the congeest - . . k
to put himself in the breach, whenever an attac
TRIDAYI Aram 17, 181'2. of Mexico and Peru. These, however, seem both should be made on the liberty of the subject, or ,
too trifling in their immediate effects; we must look
--.01.--- on any oethe vital parts of the constitution of his coon. '
FRESH 1118TUR.31MICES IN THE COUNTRY. to other objects of more political importance, try. This victory over Ministerial influence will, it
Leery arrival of the post brings us accounts and North America and the Baltic will supply is hoped, stimulate the electors in every place where 1
et fresh disturbances having broken out in our I these. If America is wavering between fear and any thing of popular election sad patriotism yet re-
main to select and return to Parliament, at the next
manufacturing towns, in consequence of the want i the desire of war, a fleet and warlike stores '
general election, such Representatives only as shall
of onipteytnent, and the high price of provisions, i from France, might kiek the beam, and revive shim themselves to be friendly to the Vest and essen.
evils v.hicli we deplore as deeply as any one, but . the warenania. In the Baltic, too, a French fleet eel point! mentioned by Mr. Buauter-
-shirt,. 'Sc are much afraid, will never be cured, would be of great service to the cause of NAIFOLRON) We hare observed, with great satisfaction, the very
ell an end is put to the present destructive war. In either to co-operate with BIRNAReres in the con- laudable exertions which hie
another column, we have inserted two letters from quest or Finland ; or, should he prove refractory, rey Theatre, to ameliorate
Stockport, detailing the lawless proceedings of the to combine with Denmark against Sweden. If the meets given at Summer rr
rioters at that place, who assembled there, to the gauntlet is thrown down to Russia, a fleet may be mo rat to e thcosi :--
an hstt
coma
amount of 3000, on Tuesday last. After commit• found necessary to secure the shipping at Cronstadt, variety of the Entartairmients,
titig several violent depredations, they proceeded while Botrareave Is occupied with possessing him. of than Company,
to Edgeley, where, as one of the letters state, self of St. Petersburgh. TON preside% er the c.
oar remarks will equally
" they were more outrageous than ever."—
The rieloret, of 110 guns, sailed yesterday Pea- nnvea,Tall,,a more I/14
We
have
also
heard
of
similar disturbances at Portsmouth, with the flag of Sir Jeans Savageries; Cue `n Imetkomellat
Macclesfield, where one manufactory is said to joie ,eta in Wood
to bare been destroyed, but the particulars the Baltic feet.
Buys Galion, is anifed at udivialapthivii the Waiter of ELLISTO'
e--
have abet leached us. " Several persons,* says a 'melted ass Turk.

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' the proviucial towns, which enables them to resist
explained. . the pressure of the times with more effect, and, of
IL'ItT replied, and his Motion vat ne.
course, to give employment to their workmen much
it a division.
BREAD moved for . a
return .of Li-
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ilonger than can be done in any other quarter. But
I (or the Importation of Goods from
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i the mischief is daily spreading, and is of that us-
last year. I tore, which, if mot speedily aired, must, ere long,
went Into a Committee on the Irish ! reach the capital. We trot, however, that the
ahem a sharp debate took place on the eyes of Ministers are,, from what On h hale already
object of this Bill, is t.ii=t the
. I._ Ahlitill#llllllPAlOd slamemows-toodowcyl
s under ape penny farina
emmooros thoy are porsoing,. and that it is
is.;. or, in otliorookiso that it *Wow i of the
ider 2s. id. peritu SS a means, it was 1 toseittiol to the safety of -the State to listen to the
otecting the fair Under. qpinst smug. looks of a famished people, and redress their wrongs.
ixing this- teimiesmsa of Prier was de.. This alone ran care the evil, and avert (tom our are,
nth a dew"» from the principle of I sides the mischievous scenes which are acting aronnil
.edom, 4'4114/ULM so the most dan-
;An.. f ;11 h•fl haw. ten Armin.] v nraitert US'