The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-12-01 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

p ••.ible to ties that etteistion which was required for
I. Rills which were n y in the pretreat viti.
rncy. Ile had seen • Petition, nunieroesly signed,
piespoted from Mancheister to the Moose of Com-
mons, calling the House a reirsnce„ and yet preying
obit very House to correct their grievauces. Woold
it be • 144 coarse to set about such an •iiipsiry, sod'
triegl•rt the protection which the people imitated by:
dwrking that* artifices which wet* Intended to es.'
cite them to violence slid sedition ? The very distress
of the people map • mom to proceed istwitaithely
to the fair discussion of theme Rills which were pro-
posed to remedy ptemot evils, which, in his opinion;
were inteaded to suppress seditious Meetings, which
were not Meetings of this people of England ; sad
attended by permits. paid out of sums *mug from
the hied earnitsgs of the peer. It was to &Veal'
the people of England to say, that these were Mesh
lap of them. They wets suers for the people ell
foigland. lie had been acegstomed to consider Stir'
sish liberty, as described in lb* phrase " Wanly of
the Subject." which be ennui dared to imply 'whin.
sing to the laws and religion of the Stow Ile,
there thought they shoold proceed to the discus-
sing of she Bill. now Were the Rosso instead of
say whet onquirs.
Lord ER4KINE did not think the "elements of
Ms Nohle Friend •Pre onswered by the Noble Mat-
Reis (Wellesley) who spoke list. The Rills tumid
got swallow up all the time of the !loose; they
might be pissed without farther delay, if the papers
kid upon the table enthorised them to do so. Ile Ir.
gritted that the amendment proposed the ether night
was net agreed to. Though an old wren now, he
armor felt mous regret at any event. The adoption
of the amendment would have proved • disposition
to empire into the diatresses gad complaints of the
people, and traded more effeetoally than any thing
else to destroy the root of the 'misting evil. It did
got matter whether what the people proposed was
practicable or not ; they should not, ow that vic-
toria, be prevented from wieetitsg, as if their Hese-
lotions were subversive of the Constitution. lie dis-
liked as much so any person that people should as.,
aemble hem distant parts of the goontry, bowies, it
tended to injure the rights of the well disposed.--o--
Were the nominees assemblies which had been sub-
sequently held necessary ? Were the fug i^ot and
siotnerono Addorsoes with which the Newspapers
evety day teemed necessary ? Was the system of
conduct pursued in relation to them 11;40? Or, fa.
ther, did there not seem to be in relstisli to them,
total ohlision of the distinction of tight from wrung,
of safety from reit, ? Mach bad been said respect-
ing II e works which were doily di.serninsted among
the pe,•ple, and he, for owe, could hear testimony
to the &relation of such publications, for he had
seen in the shops of bookseilers, as well as others
Lad seen in the petty shops of the pamphlet sellers.
the book published ender the title of the Muck Trial
ni Geritle, in which the mulled of the Jostler was
stated to be infamous. Of the punishment which
Curb's erne sentenced to uuderge nothing could he
said in extenuation; for a men who 'sesta dare to
say that be would repeat the trims of which he had I
been convicted, merited the severest chastisement,
and he, as far as his knowledge of the Constitatioe
sod of the laws would authorise him Is ',apron an
4.01 inn, would maiiit,in, 'hit it w,rold by no mama
be so inlii-gement on the Bill of Richtt, that sera a
rt..eilotl 'tumid be visited with the severest penalties.,
Nu moo could tell him, after the experience which Ito'
1011., enjoy ed in the Courts of 3 astice. that men
selling
each p•blicotions, ewe:jelly after the *amine they
bad incised, ght not to receive cssulign punish.
mew. flit ,he waiving laws wet. sianicient to punish
them, •sol soy alterations in those laws cool t limn*
whirr effect than to 101111.1 r the adrairsistretton of them
unpopular. Ile conjured 'heir Lordship' to look at
the mato of the propleotho required to be osti-A.J.—
Why would net conciliation be eterciord the olds
them, when concilisti•in alone retold tend to produce
any des•rs' 1.. rife t ? They had been cot down, and
templed upon, wh-n sin symptoms of tint or tumult
were in risi•i•oice sod were their Petitions to be in-
effrrtual ? Were their earnest entreaties to teit
received with indifference, and !TIM with apathy,
or re severe than in, Mortice ? Would not their
Lord•bips desire that the people should boos, that
th-y wen. willing to attend to their griseences, and,
as f.r all in their power, in afford th.m appropriate
relief? The anthems which the Noble Lod had'
pinoilanced spinst the Meetings of the people could
nut priolute ally beneficial result. To defend the
tights of the II 't:.ll subject kid Intl beret his
end. 'von., and as such to would persist in main•
'mining that the 11.i!ith nation ought to receive
from the Legi.isture mellitus,' which would base
the effect of all ying the ferment which so gene-
tolls pr.-roiled. lie was old enough to remember
t!kes, • men, who, although i.e bed been violent.
bad been serviceable, and he had • conversation oith
him once ohmo he spent sore time with Li n on •
sisit at Mr. W.'s loose in the Isle of Wight, • ith the
sulistsnce of which he would trouble their !lordship'.
The Nehle 10,141's •t•ice, which was throughout es-
'tamely low and 'seta', here became so intl' • id that
it was oith great dlfiretty we could hear what fol-
lowed. mt • untlersto• d him In say, that Mr. Wilkes,
who described defuse!( as a helot-not volcano, re.l
con mended to him to oppose ill infringement es, the
liberties of the pop Oar brooch of the galosh com.
stilotion, •ed ,l'at in compliance with that 'deice,
as well as In witisr.in with his own feelings, be
was then srlsocating the rrrrr t privileges of llti
too", by opposing *hewer might hove the effect
of thweitti•'• • g the libriity of the ssitjett.] Slab
Melt 1)... principles lie bad all his life maintained,
and each 11• w maii.tain to the end of his life. That
a true was ntyr.,achtlig which seemed to threaten
d•iige,,, whirls none rould desire to WO, •as • mat•
ter shirt: none deny. Ile was far from being
'trellises a • itt.essing them, sod all that he coulii do,
wlthwweh 1.:4 efforts should role in, fleetest, nes to
thank t; t! to; hii,iogg,reu him heslittsclfirientt..•ol.
10* LIM to hand so.,i for the people's rights. lit 1793,
be h .41 before said. shot be wou agin repeat,
that he hive been horn (SWAINId soad that he
hoi i • die ritte.—Tb. Noble 1. od concluded by
Lordships to take the advice of ripe-
-1,6•11: told them that et.triry cosid not in-
; .1... s, !rafa an enquiry, sae's as Oa/ moved for by
Not to riplis—an etwih:ty witi.;:t was shocetber
e! t.s 14;lso ',Lies Lad lire's Weight
be-
:,) t: —an C,Arity.

eh IM Driti•h people eareseml the most osier
sud s• enquiry •hieb rook! at teem wee to
me the Wadi* which the •shoo appeased

to be used tousle France; sod yet the only
cure recommended for similar nits. was the adoption
of emotes of coercion. His Nestle Friend had
•
to feel. end, mark the progress of afta design; bet he
bard GRENVILLE said, every man In the coes• world soy, mark the proven of your system of co.
try most conider that the prog•ese of our evils had ercion, sespeuding the hest pert of tie Constitution,
brought et into • meet dangerous crisis, which he and suppressing the ri4ht of meeting to petition. Ile
bad watched en loos, and for which he was so often had ripened, that after the restoration of lelemtion ;acy
treated as an alarmist. At no period of his life did they were to hear no mote of the French Itesu
he ever anticipate the amount of peril, which, in his I but it seems that was to be the reason for restricting
conscience, he believed now hung over his country; lam Liberty of the Press; and for depriving English.
which required a 6rm and manly effort to meet it.— men of their birth right, the right of hating arms for
It was nut of to-day, bet for years peal, that dengue 1 protection and defeuce. Ile wished them to re-
tinal, to every lestitation in the cottony had been I collect that ell this was bet a farce compared with the
openly stowed and advocated. Mr. liuske hid ; restrictive meanies possessed by the old French Go.
cteady shown that these &oleos esisted before thine* i *eminent to eeppreos seditious meeting, and bless
they gathered strength from the French iteltaltatiote. I phenten publicetions ; yet those very coercive awa-
it@ could not, therefore, cou.ider these designs as soles were the overthrow of that Government. We
owing their origin to the distress.which he hoped vas' had sufficient laws to 'oppress sedition sod bias.
but temporary. Sects distress gave facilities tofndoes I; phew, ; but he had yet to Irate, that Meetings to
men, which they otherwise would not have poisoned; obtain Reform iu Parliament, *healer to the extent
bet the root of the vil lay much deeper. was of Anneal Pisiliewients and Universal Suffrage, were
indeed notion that Parliament sheets! dolly
very illegal. II would recommend the employment of
thing possible to alleviate those distresses, which reason, and not of forte, to bring back the deluded
they ell must deeply lament; but he did not agree ; people (as it was the fashion to call them) to a sense
that Parliament mast be bleated if it was found im• 1 of duty. It oat nit nonaler that the people called out
possible to do so. The situation of Parliament was ;in their dialing for a reform of that noose, which
meat panful ; for aol only was their abilities i• ' they thought should redress all their grievances. The
remote this 'heiress not admitted, but it was made Noble Loud bad said, that numbest constituted an il.
the principal charge against them, that they did not
;legal !lentil{: but that he denied ; for it was only
relieve the prevailing distress. The Noble Marva' iby the opioions of large bodies of the people that
bad recommended changes in the defies on particular ; Parliament could he made acqoainted with the people's
articles ; bet nothing was more dangerous or diflinat ; wishes. He denied also, that marching In military
than making alterations in the rennin of a country s stray, as it was called, or with banners, constituted
I like this, merely to satisfy a vague and idle finery. ;an illegal Meeting ; therefore, the Manchester Men-
Ile, however, would Dot avant, that a cheer in ;log was sot Illegal ; for no one could believe that
' our commercial system would be advisable ; but that • men, union fit for Bedlam, would march unarmed so
I vies a (motion of immense detall,and requiring much I attack a snail military force, which they meat have
'consideration. Teague,. so this minion, would toehold- knows to be its Manchetter. All these facts showed
log out a notion, that much could be done by aunt* the strongest possible grounds for enquiry. Ile was
relieve the distresses of the people. Their duly was to very willing to uphold the Magistrates in the 'secti-
oned the Constitesioe, and the peoceable part of the lion of theie deity ; bat he did not think it would be
population, from therinigna of inched men. Let them nialestsined, that their conduct should be supported,
look at the match of this system in onintertopted pro- I whether right or wrong ;or even where there vented,
greet, which its promoters proposed en the model of the . as in this intent", a strong doebt of the propriety of
; Fteuch Revelation, and which is commenced, as their conduct.
no
contended t
hath the Magistrates
that was, by deleting the land with blasphemous path. were wrong in not preventing tMeeing. if it wee
'inapt's. Why some of these pablicstions had not , illegal, so assemble iu military array, with batmen,
tang prosecuted, he knew not; but he knew that asps of liberty, kr. of which, according to that
some mote strong sod efficient costive nn Ilia pert of own &Anne, they had information on the morning
the Government was wanted, if goy regard was bad to of the 16:h of Amgen. Yet they neglected to do
the safety of the State. AvinFrance animas were here ; this, and that was what his N ,hie Friend celled for.
esellhlished to disseminate those abominable doctrines : betrance on the pert of the Magistrates. They
mote effectually even than by the Prase. The see step !quieted those poor deluded persons to arrive at the
Giulio, sole Frenecto convent@ large bootie. of the I meeting place; and, before a single act of 'rllout.*
moat uninformed of the people. to tetra them to esti. ' was committed, the cavalry advanced at • trot and a
mate their physical force. Would they then nook ' gallop, by chub and their sabre', seven or eight
thesedsog proceeding, now, Of would they step' were killed, and about frier bendred wounded.
until they were matured into rebellion and civil !This, of itself, dimwitted enquiry. 11•• sides, they
Oaf ? He preterded to no deep skill in the law of . had no evidence, except the median of the liegis•
his country, if it was, as had been stated, no illegal trans, that the Hint Act was read. aVnen all shear
Meeting until they proceeded to acts of violence.— things were considered, it insist be allow oil, that to
From all he bed learned, he considered that Meeting refine enquiry, was the surest way to blatant that
Wept which was calculated to inspire terror Inn, the discontent and dionfr.ction which was said to have
mind of a 6rm and militant man ; and tech fear did . 'listed so long throughout the country. lie teen.
net Meeting at Alsochnter lospire ; and the Megis. : tinned a number of other circumstances such as the
orates were hound to grant 'efficient protection to sharpesing the swords of the cavalry, kc. as suf.
the peaceable part of the comment% when it received ficient grounds of 'equity ; and from what he bad
reasonable cane of fear. ll' 91w no resod. for' Lend and end, the Magistrates were the disturbs's of
oil it on this occasion• lie considered the condone lie public peace ; anal Min* went Sow iJetetify-
of the Manchester Megisteates not only as free from ling themselves with these Magistrates. Ile thought
all blame, bat as highly meritorious ; nor did be ms f t• at no snootier case foe Parliamentary enquiry could
any thing atone or blameable in the letter of spew !ins*, especially when they considered the garbled
hatinn of which they bad heard so muck; and the' and imperfect information laid before the Hoes*.
conf,ory would have been a gross dereliction of their I Even 'booth be knew that be lied bean reviled by the
duty on the part of the King's Minister*. It was Radicals, and scold be one of their Ant victims if
their duty to give praise or censure as they thought , their designs mended ; yet if an attack was made
either was due. Ile highly eulogized the conduct of ; through them, at the constitution of his country, he
the Lancashire and Cheshire Magistracy, for quietists . would endeavour to threw hit Wad over it,
their hnusos to face danger and sedition at Malachi". I The Ead of LI V Eltl'OOL had to apologise so the
ter, start calumny against their conduct mid thermion : Ilona, fur addressing she Howse after every thing he
from all quarters. It was, perhaps, doubtful who. : could say had been an able anticipated by • Noble
tier the fosbesrance they so long indulged was not ! Marquis, and the Noble Baron who stinks eetly
very culpable. History was full of insoles of :in the debate. Ile gave the Noble Earl (Grey) the
novices ill-required ; but no 'ample would be , fullest credit for parity of motives; hot could not
me prominent as geoid he their's, if they brought ' agree to his views on this important subject. Distress
these tionourabla men there to defend their cote- bed been alleged as the ground fur enquiry; but he
dent (.4 having preserved the public peace.— I could out agree to that sinless it could he shown that
Cants of Law were open to receive complaints ; this distress had paginated is any mirgovernment on
agaittat the Magistrates fur so doing ; and thank God I the part of Ministers; or that Paillainent could
they were also open to receive the triumphant en. i adopt any statesman to relieve that distress. However
ewers of those Magistrates. lie hoped they would ;that distress was to bedeplored. it unconnected with
not teeth the Magistrates that they could got de. I circumstances Over which the Executive Golernout ment
pond on the protection of Ministers or the sapper' of or Pailiament bad nothing to do. It grew of
Pediment. If there be any lodividuel who base I our commerciet relations, and prevailed in a much
contributed to increase the distress of the people, !greater dawn in America and other mashies. It
those it was who seduced the people from habits of was impossible that it could be otherwise after a tsar
industry. sod have Intimidated the manefacturers to of 20 years duration. In the United SW'S. where
leave the places of their buskins for fear of their lives they were often told they had no King, no Nobln,
and property. He earnestly conjered them to main- no Church Estabthelishmedidnt, and batr
co
imompares%atively, feaw
Olin that Constitution which bad grows up by de. tales, yet even re simila nisil.
greys, and which they ought n to make to any though she possessed that equal representation which
fanciful or preconceived ideas.—[This speech woe was wanted hen. The people ought to be told that
fulased by great applause.] ttheir evils were got en bo ascribed to any foam of Go.
Earl GREY said, it was with pile that he fuend strnment ; and were almost entirely out of the coo•
himself append to ens whom he Ind been accestosed noel of any Government.
Ito consider es his guide and counsellor. Ae meets .. 1,,„ fr ,of an the ill, A., ,„,„ mew,.
did be lament that in this, perhaps the last time, to Are tb. se which the mil,
Ines can . n 0..., or tore."
All those evils w
advocate the Consatation of his teantry, be was op. ile!d hare the fullest consideration
' posed to a Noble Manion (Wellesley). Bet notwith. of Parliement ; but they formed liti good grounds fur
standing all ibis, added to an labile state of health, immediate enquiry. they
•ittettil into an moaned :an
be bad a duty to perform, and be would do it, what. of the proceedings at Manchester ; and contended,
,seen visk of obloquy he might run ; for be would that front them no enquiry was n y. It wee
yield to so Noble Lord in love for the Constitution; that •only cantaidered by the Magistrates, e hether they
I he, end therefore, rose to support the motion of his should stop the columns marching into Manchester ;
.. ..
noels edam, for anilines and Instant enquiry.— lbw they thought that it could not be done without
He contended, in oppositition to his Noble Valenti : such a division of the military force as would have
like spoke last, that the distress of the people was entlancefeel i!. town. They
bedsacte to the boss of
proved, even by those scanty Papers which had heves i their jodgmect, and be must
laid no the table. to better chief cause of that danger. I would mayo. to say 'Ley were wrong. The Marti'.
nut state in which be confessed the country to he.— ' trent took every precnoion, in warning by placards
Every representation from all partite( the country, ' all maven of families to keep their appoproir.e and
where commotion had prevailed, informed Govern. 1 cliitilien at hum., or else they went to the Meeting at
unto that distress—great and e leg dilates,— their pail. Th. taut Act was once read, and the Ma-
was the etas, of the discontent and ditaffecting of the girtrete who vies ending it apt 4 cat knocked down.
people. For this reason they *tight to look with The Yeomanry vitae attacked by stones, and fired at
kindness and bomanity fur some needy to check nigh pistols its eseceting the swam
in s spiuchnet liens,
this evil In its very source; and, above all, to make .lohnsuit, and sobers.• They were placed danger,
a strong distinction between she whitening end ! that a cry was made, " For GiiiVe sake WO the
the misled. lieu Noble Friend had lamented the fol• 1 Yeornotsry." and then the 15th Dragoons were
lament of his own uhfortencle prophecy that these i luofight op to supra, thane. Those who fele them.
designs had reached their climes, which be had t ietres atterietail willit proceed either rieilie or csir.i.
glared from the French 11-solu,iiiii ; but he foegot I n,lly twins, the Magistrates. The Noble Intl had
that the horrors of that Itevolatii n some producod 1 i a'lod the,' papers seitity, but be contended coo at.)
by t!ie system of cJeicica e. tch ass tot -.I ur J ! were amp', vsklicie ,1 1: ros'fir I?4:;is:r.. it 1.. e fn;;;)

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