The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-05-10 00:00:00

LAW LYrELUGENGS.

COURT OF KING'S BENCH, Star 9.
has ESPIO... ROllllOlOl 'WODI4IIIIIIIII/11.
The Souctsoa-Oananic prayed Ilse immoral of list
COW, tern this defeatism, whose, remitetesi at the builkis
trier hst Term, before !h. Chief Justice, of uttering his 4-
oberntms wines of and cosersillat the Ifit, Ser:FUrti *ll
the hristien Rediplos. in a elopal la Servs leli-streas . srhsrole
be was a licensed L:uitattsii prisordiar.
The judgment of rise Court ea. tied M*Walla be L.-
priloned for two years 41 DotAniter real. rad et eh-
pirstion of that time to eater into siworkies fa, oir Frio/4.-
bailout. ht .elf In 601 and two sureties is 161. rue. • .
Jeen Osborne sad Worse Ralf. who ware nererdt; tlris4
aid sonsicted at the last Arises for ilfair,plohire, fir io.le
No. It of be Bleu* Beek. or Veen, pelea l leass.:;44.
a MIA dla the Dram ist on; VN1.41 of
was infterei to twe febmaks' bspes•noweet trash larCoishi
apeeoll/11 prison, and. Pt the out of dot I nee. r.p eb•• siOr•
flecartdri for their good behaviour. theesselves i
tiro sureties is :P.N. eftet.. . . • • .

A mesting of dur LimoWWI Sac Aft
-trio has berg brill at *ow liartan7Aorkelft,
Aid it was Osseraiiagiot
MU* shalt be eaUS sae elirfsr the royals !Met
bet Oho sonial tins. of their a-seinlilitt; is let cart. .

IV ER:.4 L 7'

HOUSE OF LORI'S, TtifDAY, May 9

Mr. Proby, from the Mint, ',rough..
thr uLA:ket price of stecearti .hive:.--thirted to bt

eate-iktoetaieLot-LAiIiSiKILVOiS fame notice, that
Lt t•eald OR rci..tay.net• mow e far:nut of the
te.lonitnces of British Ptlin:ster4 ttP Forcil;ta Courts,
titt?;ltg thetas' ten yeart.---Aojt-utned.

HOUSE Or COMelor, Mae 9.
Mr. tiOOCII presented a Petition fruits ttle oceu-
j.itri d 1 kiiti is the cennty of SuffolL, signed by 5490
pstatnis, against ths importation of to:eien corn ; and
ascaliesr to the same effect, from fort:. of the Grand
,furors of the rittle county ; as l a third from the
rough of Ipswich to the litre effect. Pi. v.! ed that
the'latter petitioners, in the year lttll, bad threatened
personal violence upon him, in cousequence of having
supported the Corn Bill were ortienni to lie on
the table.
Sir W. LEMON pre—tit. .1 a Petit;tat from certain
vazupiers of land in Lhe J of Ca.:mall, conifel...n.
. o. ,
:ng the feat distress of th- agrleulturel prop:a:ors
there.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. COKE presented a similar Petition from far-
mars in the county of Norfolk.—Laid on the table.
M. MABERLY gave not*, th .t he would on
Thuriliy next move fur certain accounts of Excne{ner
4:IJ, with the interest due thereon.
M. R. WILLIAMS presented a Petition against
impirtation of foreign corn, from land °tenets in
the con.:tc of Carnarvon.—Laid on the table.
I'sir H. PARNELL said, thit in car. iequence of a
ctr.niunieat:on which he rived that morring from
}:s ltik,.t Hon. Filen& t!e Member fur Dublin. sta-
ting his inatMity to attend his duties in Parliament at
present, but that the hoped to be able to leave Dublin
in the course of the mvnth, he (Sir Fl. Parnell) woad
postpone the notice which he gave fur the 16th ism,
fus the subject of the Catholic Qaestion, to the itZth
instant.

Two Petitions were presented from certain house- ;
holders of Exeter, against the Exeter itoa:i Bill.
ELECTION PETlTlONS.—Petitioni were presented
against the return for the following places Ives,
o:icred to be considered the Bth of June; Penryn, to''
k; considered the 13th of June; Ipswich, same day;
kitrwick on Tweed, to be considered Oir 13th of June; '
the city of Limerick, to be considered the sarserday.
Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from the Mer-
chants of Leith, to the same effect as that of the peti-
tion from the Merchants of London and Edin'ourF
presented to the House yesterday. It would not he
eseessary fur him to tae up the time of th. House in
stating his orinion to the House, as he fully concurred
in all that had fallen yesterday from the Hon. Member
for Taunton (Mr. Baring), and the Right Hon. Pre:i•
dent of the Board of Trade. The petition is his hand
contained an exposition of similar opinions to those
expressed in the petitions present. d to the Hume by
Shs Member for Taunton. They stated their convic-
t*, that the restrictions upon trade were the cease of
that jealousy entertained against us by foreign nations;
sima that so far from producing the ends fur which they
were crested, they eventually became she greatest ob-
stacles to the prosperity of the country. The peti-
tisners were anxious to be understood as recommend-
ing the utmost caution in whatever alterations Parlia-
ment might deem necessary. They hoped that the
sakject would receive full and immediate consideration
from the House. The petition was brought up, read,
and ordered to lie oo the table.
AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS.---Mr. H. SCSINER said,
beheld in his hand a petition from a body of land-
holders of the county of Surrey, stating that such was
the pressure of agricultural distress upon them, that
it would inevitably bring about their ruin, if Parlia-
ain't did not interpose some remedy. 'I hey earnestly
prayed, therefore, for the attention of that House to
*sir situation. lbe fact of agricultural distress all
ever the country was now so notorious, that it became I
unnecessary for him to enter into any detailed state-1
oasts to prove Ina existence. Being aware that there
wan an infinite number of petitions in the hands of
different Members--all containing complaints of a si-
rpilsr nature, he should not then dive!, any further
sloe this subject. He trusted that the same absti-
*ace upon this delicate topic would be observed by
ot4we Members, until an opportunity offered for a full,
impartial discussion, with a view to some practical
effect. He should now give notice, that on the 25th
of.fine.by which time he believed the greatest number
of the petitions conceited with this subject would be
pretested—he should wove that all these petitions be
referred to a Select Committee, for the purpose of giv-
iog the agriculturalists an opportunity of making out
their case, and with the object of guiding the House in
its eondect towards the various classes concerned.—
(Neer, hear f) -
embers! OABOUTNE would esite that-opportunity
of Japreeating all.partial discaseion upon this subject,
is temding to the most injurioes consequences, and
If trusted that the House would pause before they de-
teirniiised to entertain it. But whatever would be the
emulations of Parliament, for his part he would agree
to the appointment of a Committee, solely for the ob-
ject of considering the propriety of a cotuplete repeal
of the Coft Gill.—(Hear hear -
Mr. H. 81,1141411 R said, that in compliance with the
of one or two Members, he should alter his
es Of e
ie.Wn to Tuesday the 30th of May.
'Damns or To ADJALSALTT.Mr. BENNETT
mated, that there be kid• before the 'loose a copy of
any Act of the Assembly of Barbados., since the year
1643, or say Act of the British Legislature since the
ewe time, enabling the Crows and Parliament of
Eaglood to apply way portion of the 44 per Cent. du.
tir-to any bet Uelonial purposes. The object of having
that Ors protiticed. was to shuts, that the 44 per
Veal. rennet were enjoyed in a quarter whet ether*
woo a* itti or just tide te them ettistin6, -
Mr. CIOULBIJRN coosoated to the motion, and it
watigtood iO by the noose.

CIIIMINAL LAWS.
sir JAMBS MACKINTOSH rose, he said, pursuant
to nape., up submit to the Mouse certain prepusitionit
10011kilerta. bore, freendee ek the Hegel
stake Commattie *kick was aplowiated hf that
last fieesies. te take Mose Imre Me their e•reidetaties.

for leave to -bring in. six Bills, for the repeal and..
' amendment of carton: pr!4 if Ate Criminal Labts, in
eursuanee of the recomtiendatiatt of the Contniare.
As be believe(' :bat i: was nut itittride; to oppose his
propositions, he should have content'A wi•h
abstaining frum atkrestag the Hott.c at any length,.
bat that he felt it ne:•essary to furnish to the new
111moberr some information upon the labours of the
Committee, together o ith the nature and ehj-et of thrr
ditty. 'I he main Ant of the formation of the Olt,-
mittec was to assert tin. by the best experience, bow
far the severity
-of punishment denounced by our cri-
minal code counteracted its own purpose, by creating
an impression on the mind' of proeccutors, j Ages, and
juries, which tended, in many instances, to secure a
complete impunitv to criminals. Such was the c‘ijnct.
The oldest, the mast paten -:nod t! tee : A-
t-melon obstacle to the multiplication of es pi.al
ments, was grount'ed on humanity—or thzt tereler re-
yard for the life of man, which it was the du:y of
every Legislature to keep in view, and a due attention
to s Lich was often the area security to the union and
moral improvement of a peopie. lie did mot men to
say, because this priuc.ple was the u!dest, the:: there-
fore it was the wisest, or the one which might to at-
tract the greatest degree of regard. There Lad been
men of rieoroue looters andiegs, who, frdiu the extent
to which they were ect'aleetally compelled to ;ontere.
plate crimes, were led to the conclusion, ti.a• ttiase
crimes ought to be suppressed, although the print itile
of suppression would be adtptel at a very greet price.
There were other.. on the oppo.ite haad, who, front
feelings of a cookery character, would have so per-
',leer," the system of capital punishment, te; to entirely
()ere their awn prlncip!e:, and, accordirgly, saw no
mischief in the feeling of their country, wlo.re the
punishment of dsatli was denounced at: ainst many,
although' intlicte,! on very few. The law of Este land
nes in a titlell!l^ state. Death was tletiouneoli
against many, and executed only on a weal! number,
and even on those with great irregulaiitr. nit
state of things W.:q more the remelt of art iuent than
of auv wise or provident foresight in the .Legislature.
It arose from the contest which was carried on betweea
the disposition to tegislate, and the humanity of (bet
national temper. In general, innovators nere charged
with a love of sinjulari y and paradox ; yet it hap-
pened no: in a few instants, that paradox at es found
on the side of arennient. After combatting the rea-
seeing% of Dr. Paley and Mr. Windham on the subject,
and expressing his veneration fur the principle, of Sir
8. Ito:Mlle and 3'r. Fox, Sir J. Mackinto, h observed
that he eras once greatly struck by sn evpressiou which,
br a breach of ta.vilege, he Lappetted to hear from the
mouth of Mr. Fox in that House. That great man, in
spy skim of the appellant jer:sdictien amongst court%
of Law, said that it was f. ,t-iled on a great philoso-
phical principle, urd the first ••f human wisdom, troie-
ly, the censciousne-s of human infirmity. In like
manner he would say that a mistrust of tteneral ref;•
coning was u ieful, because it was founded on the a*,
neemest of biotic,' infirmity. Rut here,the object Oda
the Committee had in view was to put general reason-
slog to the test of experiment, and for this purpose dip
called before then' for examination all those who were
lin any wise enabled to colneuunicate upon tin
subject—namely, prosecutor', juries, anti jutlges; hut
of the latter class, only those who could be reeolaelv
called upon. Of all these, the opinion was umooimous.
`The
result of experience coincided with the theory,
as must always be the case where the theory was just.
and tl.e experience sufficiently extensive. The re-
commeodations therefore of the Committee could not
be opposed—for they came before the House not as
speculator, but practical reasoner,. Such being the
result of the Committee's labours, they thought proper
to recommend to their Chairman the introduction evf
certain measures founded upon their unanimous cow-
elusions. He should state, that during the short sil-
-1 tier of the last Par:intent after the long recess, there
I was no leisure for the introduction of these measures,
land lie was therefore obliged to defer it to the present
opportunity. The first proposition, then, which be
had to submit to the House, was the re-appointment of
the Committee. At-the time when their necessary dis-
solution took place they had various objects to attain.
'I hey wanted an experimental answer against the evi-
dence upon which they grounded their opinions. It
might be objected indeed that this evidence was taken
entirely from the capital, and that therefore, though
the theory might very well apply to the metropolis,
still that it might be very unsuitable to the provincial
part of the country, where the state of cringe anti public
I opinion might be very diPerent. Now, in answer, he
should say, that this objection was the strongest con.
' roboration which he timid look for to the prise-
.eiple of the Committee, because the indisposition
to punish was in the capital, where the greatest en.
I tent of crime prevailed. This fact, therefore, must
be solved by the adversaries to his principle,
small towns crime was so confined as not to allow at
fair deduction to be taken from the state of it in suck
places ; whereas we know that in the capital the prin-
ciple acted in a way where every one must be alive to
its operation and effects. But then the Committee
wanted experience on this very point ; namely, the
-state of feeling in the provinces, and also to make iro
oxides respecting the passing of sentence. He should
now bring the attention of the House to the six Bills,
Iby which it was proposed either wholly to repeal,
partially to amend, several criminal Acts. 'I he first
was to repeal the 12th of Anne, which made it a ea-
i pital offence to steal privately in a dwellieg-house
the amount of 401. The second was to repeal the
10th and the I Ith of William 111., which made it ca-
pital to steal to the amount of 5,. in a shop. And the
Sd was to repeal the Aetof the 24th George 11- which
made it a capital offence to steal to the ant net of 4Oe.
on a navigable river, and ports of entry and discharge.
The principles of these three Bills had been at let.
:err times adopted by the House, although they wet*
not so fortunate as to meet with the concurrence of the
other Heine, and therefore he anticipated the renewal
of their sanction so far. As to making It a caplet,
felony to steal on a navigable river, he begged Si
still the attention of the House to the caprice of the'
Isfesleture in miming such a alatute. it was penal
ter the year 1731, a few yeas, before the Oahe
ItelAtowatet brosta that splendid course of ittland

since
of ,
more

-sigablaplacos. to mimes of Alio ootore, yet the provi-
sion of .the statute was meter extended to tarmacs in
cleats. Stoll was Cie caprice with eh's+ capital
punishments had bent awarded by the Legislature.,
T.: • obiect,of is seat Lilla was the repealing of Acts I
and parts of Acte, Which wade capital certai:, offenees,
against some of which remedies could be bad by ac-
tion, and othere wtr: punishable as misdemeitioura
For instance, the Ist of Philip and Ma: y, which made
it a capital crime for Egyptians to remain in this
country inure ;ban one year. Ibe Itith of Charles ILI
which awarded capital punishment to notorious thieves
in Cumberland and Westmorland ; the 9th of George
1., making it a capital otfnee to aprear in the
Mint in disguise ; and the 12th of George 11.,
making it capital to injure We-tminster-britige. 'I he
second Bill of the last three related to !aws re-
specting Wren -es of a more serious nature—it would
ree..al, fur instance, the 3lst of Elizabeth. making
it a capital offence to take away by force env maid.
widow, or wife, for the sake of profit. If any ...f t:teze
offences were to be pani-hed capitally, it ea, reasoe-
I ade t; at tte settee pen 'Aliment should be extended to
al! cases of forcible ahluction of women; and, on the
cor:trary, if the law did nut putilAll a ith death instances
of this offence not included in the vatute, assuredly
'the Statue 'thick go awarded it ought unquoation-'
ably to be repealed. But in Eeglati, where the
spirit of I;allantry was known to prevail, the offence
of abductiun was not of freeuent occurrence. lie
Hon. and Learned Gentleman then enumerated the
following capital felonies, which be wished to include in
the B:11 he intended to introdtee: cutting down anti
destroying young trees—the .tatti,eN ridatite to eases
of banktuptcv, visit h of all ut. eta most reqtCrr revi-
sion—the 6th of Geo. II , wh'els made t:ve eases of
capital felonies in the Marriage Ac:--the sendin ,
threatening letters, and the several offences against'
the Revenue Act. In all these eases he proposed to
suisstitute transpor.ation and imprisonment for eapi-
tat punishm, at. Pe should not, however, suggest
any alteration of the law with regard to the actual
forging of notes, which he thought ought still to con-
tinue a capital utfence, thoueis in the minor cases,
each as uttering, tier. hr wished to see a change ef-
kte:l, and should, therefore, prsoptor transportation
or imprisonment. With regard to two other cams—
stealing in a dwelling-house, and private forfery-1:^
found it difficult to come to any ' o'itive ilverminatiou,
though, after all, Lc was cons ineed that a greater
nunsher of persons were preverted from following up
the lent as it now stood agaitsst t!:. in, than in any
other whatever. If there were any ca.e: o here of-
fenders were suffere l to escape, front the reluetauce of
parties to preso•ecte, it was where a degree of familiar
int( reostrse ar:l confidence haul previously existed,
such a, betty en the neo.ter and his servant, but even
'still more between Lankess and their clerks, lie did
not now :oval to the linmsuity or snood feeling of the
use in favour of the measure he tea :'about to i retro-
nee. but to their regard for sound policy sold good
nee. With this view, he should move that a Select
Ibloottnittee he appoint.al to consider so much of the
eitinsinal Laws as relate. to capital 'punishment in cases
of felony, and report from time to time thereon.
Mr. CANNING assured the Hon. and Learned
Member, that no objection would he made merely for
the sake of objection, by those on his side of the
House, to the proposed measure : and least of all, were
they inclined to express any dissent in this early stage'
of the proceedings. Nor would their arguments against
it go farther, at any time, than where they saw just
and solid grounds of oppositiou.—Motion agreed to.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH then moved for and obtained
leave to bring in the following Bills—namely, A Bill
for repealing so much of a 11111, passed in the 12th of
Anne, as takes away the Benefit of Clergy in cases of
'steeling in a dwelling-house ; a Bill to repeal so much
of the 10th and 11th of William 111. as takes away
the Benefit of Clergy in cases where persons ere con-
victed
of burglariously enteritis a dwelling-house and
stealing to the value of five shillings ; a Bill to repeal 1
so much of the 24th (leo. 11. as makes it a capital fe-
lony to commit thefts on navigable rivers ; a Bill to
repeal certain parts of Acts of Parliament, creating
capital punishments for crimes specified therein.
Mr. BENNET, after a few prefatory observations,
expressed his hope that his lion. and Learned Friend
would persevere in the good work he bad so well be-
gan. The late lamented Sir Samuel Runsilly bad set
a noble example; that truly excellent man had suc-
ceeded in taking away from the old law a great stigma,
but a greater still remained—the power of quartering,
beheading, and mutilating- persons convicted of high
treason. He therefore wished to know if his Hon.
and Learned Friend intended to purpose any measure
tending to do away with this abhorrent practice? In
thus expressing himself upon the subject, he did not
wish to make any allusion to the recent occurrences,
.though they must Is ye been forced upon his attention,
as well as upon that of every noncom-able Member pre-
sent, by the facts with which they were connected.
For himself, with regard to the present question, he
had no politi-al feeling but out which he entertained,
as he hoped, in common with the House. Me knew
u, ut too well, as did all those who wittie,Sell them, whe-
ther from curiosity or any other motive, what effect the
last execution had produced on the minds of the as-
sembled multitude. It was one of horror and disgust.
Never had their been so decided a manifestation of in-
dignant feeling as upon that occasion. It appeared as
if all present had iustinctively felt that humanity was
unnecessarily outraged.--(Hear, bear !)—His objec-
tion to this revolting practice was, that it had a ten-
dency to brutalize the feelings, to weaken the taste
and moral sensibility of the people.-o-(llear, bear !)--
Such acuteness of feeling had never been witnessed at
any execution, as at that alluded to, because, in this
improved state of society, the cirmusstsaces attendiag
it were too horrible for any feelings to endure. In-
deed, the indignation was so marked, that the 'gesso-
tioner who discharged the duty of tatting off the
heads, found it necessary to wear a auk t an butane*
of Wash had not been lumen at soy mmenties lime
that of Charles the First. ft wee then obvious, that
this practice could Ira•e no other tem, thao to. Mid
asmetssiary pain ea the busily gr e• sicifsetuiito
c&psit. Me should trouble the Mx* -as loan sus
the -subject, but mould esakat WIWI seltb again

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ing his hope. th4t his lion. and Learned Friend
give the lllou,e to opportunity of vim:it:min..
td the country from the stigma which the cos.
tinu.ince of sucli a pra-tice must perpetuate.
Sir JAMES MAC i.I.NTOSH said, that baring h
alluded to by Lis lion. arid Learned Friend, he felt it
his duty to reply briJv to such of his obsevutiona as
referred to himself. Ile perfe:tly concurred with his
11.,n. Friend in his abhorrence of rite prattler in (pin.
tion : arid it was his intent!cn, at a future time, to in.
trodure a measure tor ato.lishing it, not only in high
treason, hot in all other rases, as it tended to no other
end than to show the rancour of the survivor; amj
that the ministers of th law sought to prolong the
peoishment of likisevieted wretch, even beyond death.
Yet while he woe thus dist used to agree with his floe.
Friend as to the subpart itself, he did not, at the same
think this particular junctare proper for intro.
t!tieng any measure with rgard to it. He wished to
propose it in such a wanner as that it should have ro
allusion to temporary circumstances, nor excite lisy
feelings connected with political differences. ye! he
:oast still acknowledge his gratitude to his Hon.
i:ritnd for having brought the subject before the
House, and no man wa4 more tli.posed than hitnaeit
fully to appreciate his unwear:,,tl hetterolenee..-theegh,
in this partit o'er iustauce, he :mist decline acting upon
his suggestion at present, from the fear of exciting
political feelings, where none ought to exist. The
Hon. and Learned Member then withdrew his first mo-
tion, and moved for leave to bring in a BM for conso-
lidating all the laws rel,:ing to forgery.—Agreed tu.
ijC•rb lON Woof..—Lord 1111:10N wished to know
from the Right lion. Gentleman, the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, whether cerain minutes of the bias
relating to the dnty on wool were in readiness to be
laid before the 11--n-e ?

he I II ANCELLOK of :he EXCHEQUER, a, R.
understood, said, th:,t all the documents were not i.r
in a state of preparation to be submitted btlse Hoasc.
Mr. H.OHINON said, that no formal report had
been tnade out, hnt that the minutes were readiness
to be laid before the I louse if the Noble Lord wished i•.
Lord MILTON said, I.e did wish it, a4l made a
motion accordinely. which was er"rd to. The Noi •
Lord then expressed his wish to hare some other no•
eutnents to the same effect, laid before the 'low.

'tile CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER !JP,
they were not in a state to be laid on the table.
Mr. ROBINSON informed the Noble Lori!, that
they truit!d be ready in a short time.
'ir .1:: MI S 3IA l•K I NT( /Sll then brought up dm
several fills which he bad obt.dned leave to intro.lace.
That relating to robberies on navigable rivers was read
a first time, and ordered to be read a second time (pi
the .24th of May. 'I hat with regard to robberies in
houses was read a first time, and ordered to he read a
second time on the 30th of May. The others were
read a first and second time.

TRANRIER OF Till ELECTIVE FRANCHISE IRON Tilt

DOROCOH OF ORAMPOVMD.

Lord JOHN 111 'SSMLL rose, in pursuance of his
motion, to call the attention of the Noose to the cir-
eulestivices relating to the borough of tir..roputos:.
la moving that this borough should be disfranchised,
and that the elective rights shonld be conferred to
some large and populous ph.ce, he held as opinion, tie
justness of which had been admitted in the coarse of
the last Session, as to whether Grampeand might be
found deserving, or not, of retaining its corporate
rights, was a question which would more properly be
discussed at a future stage of the proceedings: at pre-
sent, his object was to introduce a Bill, the provisions
of which would enable such of the freeholders as bad
not been convicted of bribery and corruption to vote
as freeholders of the county of Cornwall ; the franchise
of the borough should be transferred to Leeds, which
should return two Members to Parliament, the qualifi-
cation of the voters being M. a year upon each house.
This was the principal feature in the Noble Lord's
proposition, and he said that it was nut the transfer of
the franchise to any particular place which be had so
much in view, as to establish the general principle.
The Noble Lord then moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to disfranchise the borough of Grampostad, and
to transfer the franchise to Leeds.
Mr. CANNING wished it distinctly to be under-
stood, that, to prejudice the motion of the Noble Lord,
in this stage of the proceedings, was not the desire of
those who, like himself, agree in all the ultimate
objects which it contemplated. So far as it was
right to disfranchise a convicted borough, so ob-
jection could be made to the motion before the House;
but surely he needed not appeal to the candour of
the Noble Lord as to the mode in which the fran-
chise thus taken away was to be disposed of. Leeds
Lad been saggested to the Noble Lard oily by
his own understanding, without any coneorressee what-
ever on the part of the House, at the time when the
question was first mooted. He was not now pledging
himself to any opinion on the sweet, beyond the first
stage of the proceedings, or the disfranchisement of a
specific borough, and its. transfer to a specific plate.
Hut to the general principle which the liobl.l
wished to establish, he could by no mum esseet.
Lord A. HAMILTON said, if the MO Hon. Gem
denten bad any objection to Leeds, he knew splice
himself to 'which the franchise might be traeOrtmi
with very great advantage.—(A lonigh)—The
plc alight well be applied to Ulasgew, which was a.
very populous and extensive place, bat without say re-
presentative is the Legislature. The N.M. lard was
here interrupted by load laughter, and heat awe.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied to the uptislibil
Mr. Canning, sad - followed by

such an eva..14141001•-ebti
breed t. thainuadenietonald Stas sinesetiistienal
pewee ortittfro went se anti 'thud, twit Or rob
et tit bernitig awl pp firr eenaty. tee
We ins then agreed t., and the Bill being intingba
tip* travrenekelliiillkeet eieeedieretee be tad
emsat time on Friday eiVanight.

Ti Si ATF. , i\ i.iii, •
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ke- ploptifitiotta whi:la ha mr -I, ...boit eithsiled a ,- - had s
twp; the first, for the ap; raiment. ofa Cdk 4 utdbee the ii rektihstneas
;he-trimtial '.,im%., ; a. 3 :he teehrd seas a motto!' known that eanaki were t

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-s• so- • I to •buttill to e=preseii
this cam . Ito would g
re lit& thati-roy other at- itself ani

Mr. Canning, and was followed by
Mr. DAVIS OILMERT, who expresso, WOK
rather in favour of transtorring the Ranch's, w "
'Neighbouring hundreds that to soy partienisr plus.
As to the )rinciple of girls( to the 'laden was sow
Acted of brill/et or the OA! In vise aloe-
holtiers of the candy, Aimed it a west injiet ostib
and stash as he cod* nob lowest
lord MILTON was owns to tibrileadbr et is
fraaellise to the nelgitlosurbq handroki al If he bo-
roughs were convicted, and Wife wee a tiblikr et
such aa {fit .rent— frocrgle* 1111111.

111.0:11/4 —Lord A: 11.1!'4ll.TON wishvti I
!Pato fr;•al the Richt Iton. the I hancellor of th, E
chsv,r, if it was intentleil to make an% specific i•rov:
n.(we ft+ utters. aoti whco?
TM C1lAT411•:1.1.41K of •he EX( liParign, in a!
~.ry tow tone of ‘olee. ssi,l it r•vta;n!r wits intrwird
to lark, a suitah4• provision for the curet', as %.1.1 as
Pr the cher Meto!ters of the Hoy •I itonilr, not in-
ehtiri in Ole PRIII Rltfirteli his
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P.DWARtIA. THE Ril'UTr.!) SPY.
Mr. Viermau W 001) lo rising to hrin:p hefore the I
Emery the . ••ndnet of the imP.l4dual oaf),• 'iv him be.,
fe:e as a mrst atrocious oo.entler, rated by 64 no no
orpos, %pet-A to the sreret,..j. of state have
penishe::. 4*.• titre. t•I ;dr stras be
t•ader.l .rimcrons docnntenfs t.) prove that Edwards
the ~. fabricator of the rato-street plot, and
laved the eiridence of persons whose
not to be isope•!..lted, wilk there were
various oth r credible witn..A4e4 Ichn 'SPIT ready
to substantiate the facts alleged ag.tiast hint. In-
hr curried with him the depti•lons ef more than
t.,:rty individuals, and hll lirse he should now feel it
dat7 .1, read the Nowt.. if Miti'sn rs should not
a.sest to the 1110(tUll %hick he had to prolapse for a
Settet t ummittee t•tt the sutjecf.--tA laugh.)-Ile
timaght th house stolid at with Lim is the 'pres-
s tv of -mil a motion. if he con!! prove to their galls-
tz.riatt that Edwanls was the only per-on who frtmed
anti decs:.d the late c.t.e.piracy ; if !w proved that he
been In: the last two years employed in sehtunt s
bringing about this diabolical purpose; if he
showed that Genre w.ts the MAI who bought
the swords and supplied the cote.i.irotors with money ;
if, in tine, he provtd that this perso.l alone planned
aid pre:ected tae late horrible ro.ispira. y, he was per-
sultie.l tory would readily aeopies-e in the tneasnre he
was about to introduce. His infe:tnati m wets not de-
rived fro.a suspicious sourees ; it w• .s given to him by
persons trite, though in the humble sphere of me-
chanin. wee. still of reputable chamfer, as would be
proved by the fact of :natty of •;i: having lived four
and fist years in the employment of men of approved
character and integrity. Upon these persons Edwards
Ls 1 frecueetly sought to practise his desi gni n it arts, and
t:!ed to seduce them frem,thcir honest employments. He
Iquently found them money, and ev, n went so far as
to lead arms to their houses unknown to them, in order
to effect their ruin. He had mired hint fur the last
tire years, but particularly I r the two sucer.sive years
previous to the discovery of the plot. In the font-
weseentent be lived at Windsor, where be got into

alms &vet of favour, and followed the business of a
asielhw. He shurt'y after was seen selling busts
meat the s:reets of London, and to the infinite stir-
p-ie of all who knew him, became all at once a gen-
tlman to all external aprarance,wettring fineclothes,
and exhibiting plenty of money. The only way that
Veiwards caul., account fur this favourahle change in
his circumstances was, by stating, that he was left a
considerable legacy by a German Count. a relation of
his, aria :thick Lord 4.lastlereagh assisted him in re-:
corariv. This story might have been enour:h to
shot what he was, even to the most credulous of
those wht.ushe deluded t.' desnuction. Ile was known
to have been associated with a puiice-olficer, the ac-
somplion of Vastly; Yreuch prisoners to
escape, while they were immediately after apprehended,
by which means Castles got the reward. if he showed i
this nicl.t, that he only did his duty, by bringing
this wretch before the world in all his baseness, he'
hoped he should be entitled to the thanks of every man I
who was not lost to all feeling for the blood of his
fellow creatures.—{Hear, bear!) lie had already
succeeded in saving the lives of three unhappy men
against whose lives an atrocious plot was laid, and he
now wished to pursue the villain (thongh not to the
extremity of the law), who had been but too success-
ful in his atrocious projects. It appeared, that Ed•
wards was impelled to his horrible scheme of blood by
a hose avarice, for we find him deceiving the con-
spirators to the last in order to snake the more money.
Ile placed ihistlewood in a lodging at the house of
Harris, whither he conducted him, and took care nut
to get him apprehended till the reward of 1,0001. ap-
peared in the Gazette. It was a fact, that he walked
mtown Holborn with Thistlewood, and some other of

Eie party, who quarrelled with him from a suspicion of
his bring betrayed them ; while having left them in ,
t hiswell-street, he proceeded with Thistlewood to the
todeine where he intended he should be secured. in the
mean time Thistlewood told his wife that Edwards had
takes him to a place of safety, and that his friends would
vane at night to take him away. Since this event Ed-
wards had lived at a house near Buckingham-gate,where
be represented himself as Mr.Warls, of Windsor. While
here he was in close connection with an officer of the po-
rye- (The worthy Alderman, in reference to the similar
...r.icill oldie crime, read from a book the opinion of the
le,rtl ocate of Scotland upon the case of Watts, who
Lad boon capitally convicted in Scotland upon a charge
af the tame nature.) The only difference between
C. ease of Watts and the present was this, that in the
latter no money appeared to have come from the Go-
ernment, while in the former it was proved, that Mr.
lhsojas, on the part of the Government, had given a
e •rtain sum. The Worthy Alderman now read certain
par- from the copies of the depositions which he held
in his hand. The first testimony to which he adverted
t • flint of George Pickard, silk-weaver, residing at
o•nal-gnmeet, who met Edwards at a public-house.
1' ! :r. Js theft called on Pickard by his name, and told
4: th.tt it was high time the" thieves (mean-
in:r the Mist/tees, should be destroyed." Edwards
n-et proposed, that a set of tin cases should be got,
whirls being filled with gunpowder, and suspended
hems sort of rope, were to be thrown over the gallery
while a delsate was going is, when the explosion
might take place that was to effect the necessary de-
struction. Edward* *bowed Pleitatel a certain intim-
ne-nt which be inteeded far this purpose.
Mr. GIiENFELL now rase to order, stating, that
if the papers read by the Worthy Alderman were un-
arithenticatzd before the Hew, they could not be
entertained.
Mr. BENNET maintained the right of the Worthy
Alderman to read the paper in quietus. and called the
Ilea. Member (Mr. Orenfell) to order.
Mr. W. Wrliff said a few wards, which we could
not distinctly heat is the gallery. sod
hie. AhlonaasirOOD resaatad. He said, that the
papers were all espies ef the dagsaitioas which had