The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-06-09 00:00:00

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Honourable Gentleman entered irtio.. varions explana-
tions, which could not be distinctly heard in the gal-
lery, and vindicated the Estimates which he had
brought down.
Mr. MABERLY win disposed to overlook the cir-
cumstance of small sums not tallying ; but a dis-
parity like that which be had noticed, seemed .00 great
to be overlooked.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought the arrears of ha.
lances ought always to be brought uuder the view of

the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained.
The Report was thee brought up.
Mr. J. P. GRANT thought it strange that the
disembodied 31ilitia should have been provided for in
a new way, without one word having been said on the
subject by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. They were
constantly amused by the Right Hon. Gentleman with
statements of debt paid off, but he had satisfied himself'
that so far from having paid off any debt, it had in point
of fact been actually increased since the peace. Since
that time a small reduction had been made in our funded
debt, and apparently a much larger reduction of our un-
funded debt had taken place, the latter amounting to
13,752,0001. But it was to be remembered, that at the tom-
' mencement of 1416, the country had in band a surplus
of 5,663,000/. remaining of the sums voted for 1815, in
consequence of the sudden termination of the war by the
battle of Waterloo. To this a considerable sum was to
be added for Unclaimed Dividends appropriated to the
public service, making a total of 6,105,071/. Taking
this into consideration, and various other circumstances
which he thought ought to be connected, it appeared
to him that there was in reality an increase of debt since
the peace, amounting to 7,135,251/. It was beside:, to be re-
, membered that the Right lion. Gentleman hail proposed
to continue the War Excise Duties for six years, to wind
up the expenses of the war ; awl on those ditties not less
'than 12,000,00 W. had been received, while the Sinking
Fund, he thought the whole of it, but the Chancellor of •
the Exchequer only said 13,000,000/. bad been mon-
I gaged or given up for ever. If the affairsof the nation
went on in the same way fur the next five years, be
thought it would require all the firmness and all the au-
thority of the Right Hon. Gentleman to congratulate the
House on the situation of the country. He complained
of the manner in which the Sinking Fund was managed.
The policy was incomprehensible which led the Right
Honourable Gentleman to keep up a nominal Sinking
Fund charged on the Consolidated Fund, from which
be annually borrowed 12 or 13,000,000/. while he bor-
rowed at the same time by Exchequer Bills 9,000,000/.
to make good the deficiency in the Consolidated Fund.
This could have no effect but to deceive—and there were
not many who could now Le deceived.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
if the House had now for the first time heard the asser-
tions, that no debt had been paid off, and that the coun-
try was verging on its ruin; he should have thought it
necessary to state his view of the subject, and
to sliew the fallacy of the arguments of the Ho-
nourable Gentleman. But the subject bad been so
frequently discussed, that it was only necessary for him
to remind the Rouse of the debates which hail already
taken place. The lion. Gentleman had begun by saving
as a part of the footled debt and a large portion4dl the
unfunded debt had been paid off since the peace, and lie
had then proceeded to sliew that no debt had bees paid
offal all. lir might to have stated that if extraordinary
resources had been placed at the disposal of Ministers,
extraordinary charges were lobe met by those resources.
The various charges growing out of a war so expensive
which were to be defrayed, would be found to amount
to little less that the sums which had remained at
the command of Government at the termination of the
war. He would refer the Ilan. Gentleman and the
House to the. Reports of the Finance Committee. They
would skew what debt had already been incurred, and
how much had been paid off.
Mr. 31 .1 L:ERLEY took a view of thee Financial si-
tuation of the country in 12+15, and compared it with
that in which, it stood at present. Bret for the new taxes
imposed to the amount of 3,200,0001. our situation
would have been much the same as it was then with re-
spect to the Nat' al Debt. Ile thought the ralculations
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer erroneous, and
thought we were more likely to have a Sinking Fund of
3,000,000/. next year, than one of 4,090,0001. which the
Right lion..tlentleman was of opinion might be ex-
pected. To relieve the country effectually, the Esti-
mates for the Army, the Navy, the Ordnance, and the
Miscellaneous Services must be reduced by two or
three millions.
'The Report was then read.
On the Resolution being put for a Lottery,
Mr. 111'ME said, he hoped the Chancellor of the
Exchequer would devise SOllle means of doing without
a Lottery. It was despicable to observe the Minister
countenancing such a system while our Statute Book
was loaded with enactments against every other spe-
cies of gambling.
The Het:citation was then agreed to.
The other Resolutions were agreed to without any
remark.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
CHEQUEK, it was ordered, that the House, at its
rising. should adjourn to Wednesday next.
ALLOWANCE TO THE DUKE OF CLARENCE.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY me to call
the attention of the Douse to a vote of Supply
passed by the House in the year 1818. At that
time several younger branches of the Royal Family
were about to enter the mar ird state, and Parliament
had thought proper to make an additional provision
for their increased expenditure, in order that the dig-
nity of the country might We properly supported in
the Members of the Royal Family. (It n-as here sug-
gested to the Noble Marquess hy Mr. Huskisson, that
he was not exactly regular, as be should first move,
that the House should go into a Committee.) He
begged to apologize to the House, he was reminded by
his Honourable Friend that his observations should
be made in a Committee, he therefore should at present
confine himself to moving that the Speaker should
leave the Chair.
Mr. MONCK said he saw nothing to justify the
House going into a Committee. With respect. to the
circumstances of :he country the Chancellor of the
Exchequer a few nights since, bad misted the cl
of •the Ameuican Loyalists on the ground of our li-
mited means. If our circumstances then were such
that we could not afford to do justice we ought not to'
do an act of mere generosity. Considering too the
present state of the currency, be (Mr. M.) thought
the application unreasonable and inauspicious. The
present allowance of the Duke of Clarence bad been
granted in the Adtuinistration of Mr. Fox, upon an
increased scale, on the ground of the depreciated
state of the currency, and the consequent bigh-price
of provisions. That state had now been very map-
rially altered; the currency bad become restored, and

sinus age, and that the infrinkties of exalted indivi-
duals were viewed with a microscopic eye. The pro-
minent part taken by his Royal Highness on a late in-
quiry Into the conduct of the Queen would, there was
too much reason to fear, be connected (erroneously,
no doubt), with the present application. He should
therefore oppose the Speaker's leaving the Chair.
The-question was then put, and agreed to without a
division.
The House being in a Commute c,
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said he felt it
unnecessary to answer the observations of the Hon.
Member who had spoken last, as the sense of the
House bad been so decidedly sbewn upon the subject.
The remark of the Honourable Member was per-
fectly correct, that the income of his Royal High-
ness bad been increased during the Grenville Admi-
nistration ; but the settlement then made was an
unmarried settlement. When he (Lord L.) had pro-
posed the votes' for the increased incomes of the Illus-
trious Personages in question, the House reduced the
general scale of expense, though there was but one
feeling upon the principle. The vote then agreed to
for the Duke of Clarence, Isis Royal Highness had
respectfully declined, because he thought he could not
receive it without involving himself in difficulties, and
he therefore proposed to go abroad where he might
live iu retirement. Circumstances however had in-
duced his Royal Highness to alter this determina-
tion, and he returned to this country with his illus-
trious Consort. Had Providence preserved the life of
the illustrious Princess, the offspring of this marriage,
he (Lord L.) should certainly have felt it his duty to
ask the House to revise their former decision, as his
Royal Highness would necessarily have been put to
increased expenses in providing for the care and edu-
cation of the Princess. At present the question was,
merely that his Royal nighties's should be put in the
same situation in which he would be had the Bill passed
with the provision of 60001. a year, which had been
voted by the (louse and declined by his Royal High-
ness. lie (Lord L) was sure that the House would
not wish his Royal highness to sutler from the decision
he had taken on the Ginner occa,ion; and he trusted
there was but one feeling in the House upon the ques-
tion of supporting the dignity of the Royal Family.
lie proposed that the vote should take effect with re-
ference to the original period, and when it was recol-
lected that his Royal Highness stood next in rank to
the Duke of York, the Heir presumptive to the Throne,
be trusted this would not meet any objection. Having
explained he was convinced to the satisfaction of the
House, (hear, hear, from the Opposition Benches), the
question he was about to bring before them, he had
only to observe that he trusted no unfavourable argu-
ment would be drawn from any considerations of a per-
sonal nature. The Illustrious Duke and his Consort
were, in private life, an example of domestic purity,
and their conduct and happiness in this respect could
not but be highly satisfactory to the nation. As the
vote he should propose was merely an act of justice,
he should now confine himself to moving. a Resolution
—" That it is the opinion of this Committee that his
Majesty be enabled to grant nut of the Consolidated
Fund a suns not exceeding 60001. per annum, in or-
der to make a suitable provision for his Royal High-
ness the Duke of Clarence, such suns to be calculated
from the sth of April 1818."
Mr. II I'ME said, he trusted the Noble Marquess
would divide his motion into two branches. It had
pleased the Duke of Clarence to refuse the original
grant of the House. That grant the House might
possibly he still disposed to make him ; but certainly
the question as to arrears stood upon very different
grounds.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY thought this
an objectionable mode, as it would destroy the spirit
of the Resolution.
Mr. ill ..11 E proceeded. On a farmer occasion he
had asked the Noble Marquess a question relative to
the property of his late Majesty, and hail not receiv-
ed any satisfactory answer, although such an answer
might have a considerable influence upon the present
question. Ile (Mr. H.) win willing to put his Royal
Highness upon the same footing with the other younger
branches of the it iyal Family, but be saw no reason
for any preference. The death of his late Majesty
made a material alteration on this subject, inasmuch
as by the new Riff passed at the commencement of his
present Majesty's reign, a distinct sum of 2,500/. per
annum had been set a part for the Dake of Clarence.
The difference, therefore, between that sum and 6,000/.
would put his Royal Highness on the Sallll footing
with his younger brothers, and lie (Mr. Hume) should
certainly move a reduction of this 2,500/. from the
Vote. The Noble Marqess thought the payment of,
arrears a principle of justice, but he had not proposed
the payment of arrears of the 15,0001. a-year which
had been voluntarily given up by her present Majesty.
Indeed, the conduct of Ministers with respect to the
other branches of the Royal Family, was worthy of
strong remark; for not a single shilling had been
provided for the infant child of the late Duke of Kent,
and she was now supported by an individual. 119th
respect to the public conduct of his Royal Highness the
Duke of Clarence, be (Mr. Hume) was sorry to say it
had not inspired that respect which it was so desirable
should be sbewn to every Member of the Royal Fa-
mily.—(Bear, hear : from the Marquess of Londun.
derry)—He would repeat the expression, and be
should be glad to hear ally man stand up in his place
and say that the conduct pursued by his Royal High-
ness while sitting in judgment upon Isis Queen and
near relation had been proper. The Duke of Sussex,
on the other hand, had, with a praise worthy delicacy,
abstained from taking any part in the proceeding. He
repeated his opinion merely in consequence of the cheers
of the Noble Marquess. He wished the Royal Family to
receive every becoming respect; hut he also wished them
to deserve it. Upon the amended motion be wasaboet to
make, he pledged himself to take the sense of the House if
any two friends would support him, and, if the vote
should be carried fur the arrears, he would oppose the
Bill in every stage. The money refused by his Royal
Highness lead been refused apparently with disdain,
but that given up by the present Queen bad been given
sumo
pareds:nntreswaspecatoinigoppor-
up from liberal feeling. As the question of the arrears
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was clear that the property beam public, property

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. proper the Heusi
Clarence derived lei
the property
it was by viii
were the ease, the
share of the Duke of Clarence would be 200,000/. The
Hon. Hember concluded by moving a reduction of the_
vote to 3,560/. and that the words giving it a retrosper.
tire operation, should he left out.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, lieolia4 w.
suede.' himself that the House on the present °cuisine'
would be unanimous; and he certainly had ant a.
;meted that that unanimity would be disturbed by ye,
kind observations or invtdions comparisons ; teropi.
eons which never turned to the advantage of the INF
vidual making them or that of the person for whets
that individual made himself the champion. The toe
thousand five hundred pounds alleded to by the Ilea
Member bad been granted to the Duke oft:Unmet ~g
he was very young, and had been continued ever sue*.
The name of the Duke of Kent had been mentioned, he;
he enjoyed a professional income of MO/. a-year No
the Governorship of llibraltar. He repeated that this
spirit of championship for one branch of the family's,
never attended with any advantages. Another beam.
lent observation of the Hon. Member referred to her
respect llonyreal;
Majesty ; but that Illustrious Personage had gins
the sum in 'question because she stated that upon,.
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ness
other observation of the Hon. Member respectieg his late
Majesty's property he should say a very few weeds. His
Majesty had left a paper which the Law Audieritieshad
pronounced not to be a Will. The idle tale them a
million would be answered by stating the tact that

the value of his late Majesty's person! property dW
not exceed 80,0001. It was the 'ideation of his IA

Majesty that the present King should derive the chief
personal benefit, hut as the will was a nullity, the
property in question belonged to his present Majesty
only during his life, as attached to the Crown. I'M
alone was a sufficient answer to the malicious obser-
vations which had gone abroad respecting his late
Majesty's supposed arcutnulation : and skarn-
tious of a similar nature h►d not been wasting to
asperse the memory of her late Majesty, whose pro-
perty was in fact scarrely sufficient to discharge ber
debts, and those charities which had so eminently
distinguished her illustrious fe.—(llear,hear.)
lie trusted that no second Englislitnaa small be

found to tolerate what was asked of the Haase, sal
he was confident that the House would not condensed

to sanction the objer:ion taken to the present vote.
A MEMBER, whose name we could not hear, sat
ported the vote, and with reference to the midget el
the Duke of Clarence observed, that lie was a aim
supporterof the Charity whirls was distinguishe4 kr
assisting the countrymen of the lion. Member k
Aberdeen.

Mr. HUME said, that from the tone of the Node
Lord and that of the last Speaker, it would naturally
be supposed he (Mr. li.) had attacked the private clt•
ratter of the Duke of Clarence. He (Mr. IL) denied
that he had done so. He had stated, and he wadi
repeat, that there was nothing in the Duke's public
conduct justified his being preferred to soy of his
younger brothers. Ile might be in a small minority,
but he should persist in his A tuendment.
Mr. HUSKISSON said, be wished merely to state
the fact, that the 2,500/. alluded to as granted to h►s
Royal Highness, had come under the notice of the
House upon every occasion of the discussion of his in-
come. The House knew the circumstance, and considered
it in the nature of an equivalent for the want of those
professional emoluments which were in generates.
joyed by the other younger branches.
Mr. WILLIAMS said, he understood the Noble
Marquess to say, that the Duke of Clarence was the
only Member of the Royal Family who did not enjoy
professional en►olu►nent, The Duke of Susses newer
received a shilling of the public money beyond kit
stipulated income.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY shortly es.

plai tied.
Mr. W. SMITH said, the Noble Marquees bad es•
pressed his hope that no English voice tvonld be focal
to support the Amendment of the Honourable Wider
for Aberdeen. His (Mr. Smith's) would be that ear,
fur he thought not a shilling of the arrears (mitts
he allowed. The real property of his late Majesty might
to have been brought under the notice of Parliamest.
If it was 2 or 301,090/. a-year—
Mr. HUSKISSON here spoke across the table. To
save the time of the Hon. Member and the House,lte
begged to say that the real property of his late Majesty
had been placed under the controul of the departatest
of Wools and Forests; that it was available for public
purposes, hot that, if sold, it in all probability would
nut realize 20,000/.
Mr. W. SMITH said the explanation of the Ike.
Member was satisfactory to him, and no dooht to tke
House. lie thought the arrears of his Royal Highness
allowance stood upon distinct grounds, and he therefore
should oppose them.
Mr. BBRIHT said, that the misunderstanding 3.1
the value of his late Majesty's property, had pined
ground because the Noble Marquess had no cop-
descended to acquaint the public with the fa". 146
(Mr. B.) thought the House ought not to Walled os
make good the arrears, and he should oppose that part
of the vote.
The Marquess of LONDONDERRY explained. The
amount of the late King's personal property he had In
the last Session stated to be only bO,OOO/. and with re-
spect to the real property, it was not many days since
Ministers had obtained the opinion of the Law Offices
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upon the paper purporting to he his late ;Majesty's
Mr. TIERNEY acknOwletlgell that he WAS thermos
of the circumstances connected with the grant offered*
his Royal Highness three years ago being recorded 01.1
the Journals. He did so, not out of kindness to to
Royal Highness, but in justice to Parliament, and t)!.11
nothing should appear on the record reflecting °Oka
character of his Royal Highnest.—(l!cat.}-04e
thought his Royal Highness had been ill-aaristd
as
rejecting the prevision made for him by Far: amentl
for it was the grant of Parliament, nut far him bp
tamper about, hut to accept, as an offer coming frills
a quarter which has always been extremely liberal I.
his Royal Highness. Some one had improperly 0
the ear of his Royal Highness, and bad indoced his
angrily to reject what was offered him. Dm it 1%3%10
be borne in mind that he was not then m asieil, at.
though it was in contemplation. He di,' afterwards
proceed the full length of that marrriage, try
highly honourable to the parties, becau4. it aks Ike
first one that bad taken place nut connected a itir P
cautery advantage. Front that day to this he
teased he had been in daily exrctation of gyring I 1
corns down to the flow, and was only surpr:.e.l it kid
not found its way there *setter. He was sati.!;..tl that
no considerablt portion of the public would loc 11°'
posed to object to it. A small shadow of an arP''

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cittla. not but consi ry Rhoadd know whether the Duke of Clarenc
amounted to a million In value, and that it
That expense, which had heretofore Imp met by the Fharn moment for the subject in question. Neither
laid tux, bagbeelitirded to the sopplies. Tire Right ihould it be forgotten that we lived In a very cease-divided among the soh!, and if this were
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