The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-09-09 00:00:00

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THE QUEEN.
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7141111N-OFFIC.I. TM'S DA V, Tyre 'Tues.
ilot:SE OF LORDS. ibkruab•t^,
(rw'klsTT-►IRuT DATJ

Prayers were read as meal, kid the Pears were then
railed over. The defanlters were• Lord Forbes, the Earl
of Plevaington, and the Duke of Xewcastle.

Counsel were then calltil in.

The Lows CII.INCELI,og addressed Mr. Brougham, and
desired hint to inform the Hone whetherle n as prepared
to enter upon the Queen's defence.
Mr. Itancuu tst said, that he hist night consulted with
her Mojesty, and with his Learned Friends, who were
j titled with him in that illustrious Lady's defence. That
Hs Learned Friend, Mr. Williams had last night set
• 'T for York, upon professional business. under the ape•
vial commission of that city : he (Mr. 8.) was desirtutt
•o hAvo his Able attistauce : and as he was not at present
; re:t.tretl to open the defence, he should ask their Lord-.
;.4 for time until about Monday fortnight to do so.

4 '..wigel were then ordered to withdraw.

The Earl of It v coot, now rose and stated, that he
yesterday ha•l expressed his opinion that the House
twyht not to sutler the defence to be divided. and he
r,•w assured their Lordships that reflection hail fully con-
l'rned that opinion.—(llear, hear.)—But that opinion
beinT expressed lie wad 31 decidelly of opinion that
ere possible facility should be atfor led her Nlajesty's
I'rs•tsel in the defence of their Illustrious Client. Ile
in no objection to the time which they had asked.—
(l fear. hear.)

v.,. Earl of I)tityr.r.v f,sily agreed uitli the Noble
Car! that • fat i lit v should be afforded tome Queen's
Counsel, bdt lie thought they had not been sufficiently
explicit in their request. The expression used by 11r.
lirungliani, was .• until about Monday fortnight." Now
!Loggia it but proper that the Counsel should be
a5k....; whether on Monday fortnight they would he pre-
pared to proceed uitli the defence.
Va:l ifitcy I. that it certainly was !licitly desirable
t a! the day for opening the defence should be deli-
tixed. It was quite clear that very few of their
Lordships would he able to snail thenssels es of the pro-
posed short inter% al ; and he, therefore, if the Queen's
Coansel had any dont): upon the subject, he, for one.
would rather the delay should be prolonged in the first
nstane...

Tim Earl of I.lrxstraor., in explanation, observed, that
concurred with the two Noble Earls that the
si.vuld be pre..isely fixed, h•tt he yet would wish
tl.tt s•:I•leet to hr Irft entirely with her Majesty's Conn-
sr! —(hear, hear was sure that none of their
Lordships would suffer any consideration, as to their
personal contesienee to interfere with their considera-
tioa of the thee to he allot, ed. Indeed, if any person
was peculiarly entitled to the conslnkoitaion of that
House, on the subject of convenience, he was pmsnatletl
that the flume would, with one voice agree that that
person was the noble, learned, and respected Lord on
the Woolsack.—(f iseers.)—Engaged in the performance
•t ! is judicial diodes nea►ly the whole of the year, their
Lordships were sensible that Inr had hail of late to hear
a vorsiderahle addition to his former labours; and when
his time of life was considered, he (I.nrJ Liverpool)
could not doubt that lie would, on the score of
convenience, have sor.u• regard to that of the noble and
learned LorJ.

Ile Lou u occELLOR rose and emprecaedi the plea-
IgNri• he felt at the butiwir.thle iiientiout whirh had been
1ti4.11. of 111111 loy the No!oh• and at the reception
the Mouse 11.1.1 he. n pleasell to pier to that honourable
rt •tition.—(4 liver..)—Errry one auf their 11.0r.Ishir st
b n usilit. of the painful and arhions ditty which was
c.ist by their pro..er.lings, but he could assure
theirs Lordships that no cunsiilerstion whatever. of
either convenience or inerra‘e of labour %humid induce
Won to shrink front Ilse performance of that duty. anal
perform it lie would, while he was ble4sedVitli strength
to ridable hint !O do it.

A uormemition now took place between the Earl of
itose'herry. the 11. orris 48f Lansdowne and the Earl of
latnierdale, on the terms in which it would he proper to
gitrstion the Counsel as to the fiAing with certainty the
time they wished. li
"f he Earl of %mummy:sted:hat the rio onse•
should he asked what they nt by the e.pression
" until aloont 31418881.4 y fortnight
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adopted. and Connie' were ordered
to he called in.

'fhe Loan %set:IA.OR then addressed Mr. Ilrou7hant,
and .stated that the Holsr wished him to explain what be
nirant by the expres.ion " until about Monday fort.
night."
M. Bnocuti to stated that he bad consulted his Learn-
ed Friends on the subject, particularly his Learned and
n•>pectahle Friend Mr. Vizard, her Majesty's So-
licitor, who teas possessed of more information than lie
w is, respecting the attendance of the witnesses ; and the
result of that communication was, that although they
n •'re strongly impressed a itlt the hope of being ready by
Monday fortnight, they yet would, with the permission
vt the House, say " Monday three weeks."
After a feu, words f Lord East:sac and the Earl
of /task:sour,

The Earl of Dant.axivrioN rose and expressed his sur-
prise at the request of her Alajesey's Counsel. They hail
all along prafessed not only their readiness, but their,
anxiety to enter upon their definer. Then they asked
fur " about a fortnight," and on bring pressed to fix a
precise day they desires! three-weeks. The tittle they
now asked was highly isoonvenient, and he should resist
the granting it.
The Marl of LIVERPOOL observed, that he thought no
Nob e Lard should antler the consideration of conve-
nience or inconvenience to interfere with his derision.
The Noble Earl proceeded to justify Mr. 13rouglians's
appt •atloa for an estessioa of the glair, and contended,
that i I might to be complied with. His great an-
wail to meet the csonvitaience of her Majesty's
'That Camel had stated, that as her MX
greatest anxiety was to proceed to her defer dg.i

las early as possible,
[ships init! again • ip
with his Leatia..l
, respectable I ientleutan who latest know more as.to that.,
matter titan himself, her.Majesty'eSstlieithr, he amcaded
his reqncst to a demand for three weekit. The only
! possible question that would arise in his mind was,
wliether•it suited the convenience 61' the Counsel, and
that being settled, lie did not see that his own conve-
nience could at all interfere it the matter—he saw no
option for hiniself.,(Hear).
Lord Liu nEnuste thought, that her Majesty's Coon-
. sel ought to be asked ;again what time would positively
be must convenient for them—whether they did not
want a lover period,. He suggested that this should be
• done, in order that the House might be fully satisfied on
this point ; and lute thought it the more necessary, as
the Counsel haul altered their original demand from a
fortnight to three weeks.
laird F stmeitrn entirely concurred with the Noble
Lord who had just spoken. He, himself, hail a deal of
business of peculiar importance, so as to renAr his resi-
dence iu the country highly desirable at tie period
which had been named for their Lordships' attendance :
butt still lie was fully prepared to coincide with the
Noble lomat who haul spoken from the Treasdry Bench,
that titivate considerations ought to have no weight,
lieu placed in comparison with the claims of her Ma-
jesty's convenience. To that lie would most cheerfully
ii kr any sa 'alive of his own convenience. But what
lr nartii til it'y oisheil to state to their Lordships was,
that it uitight to be distinctly understood. that Counsel
should he prepared to go on at the period agreed upon;
fur it would he most vexations hoth to himself and others.
if, at that tine. they slunl.l be asked for a longer delay..
• eapecial;y uitlauut good reason hying assigned floe
granting it.
Lord lit:Desna said a few words, which were in-
audible below the liar.
I Lord ROLLE rose to address the House, but hem the
confusion which prevailed in it, it was quite impossible
Ito catch a single word of a hat his Lordship said for
se-
veral minutes. IVe understood hint to coincide aids the
oloservations of the Noble Lord who preceded bins.
laird rti.mot•ro.—After having propased a fortnight
and then altered it to three weeks, he thought their
Lordships ought not to separate oithout a specific under-
standing on this
The poke of Ayouit. said. that hr ft:florid there mild
be no difference of opinion or feeling! on this subject.
It appeared to him that whether a Noble Lord lived la
London or in Aberdeen, all he could want to know was,
the peremptory 'lay on which their Lordships would pro-
ceed tin this business.—(llear.)—Whether noble Peers
lived near or at a dirtance. there could he no doubt they
were all anxious to make nee of the Intermediate time
after sitting there for so long a period, and paying such
uncommon attention to the proceedings of the Ilo'tse.
Before they left the House, however, he thought, if there
existed any doubt on the subject. they ought peremp-
torily to understand the Jay un which their attendance
would be put in requisition.
Lord IIsILiNGTux declared that in mal.ing the ohrier-
vati !!!! s a hi, h he haul before tronbleul their Lordships
midi, 6e hail done so, solc:y with a %hc to the conve-
nience of the !louse. Ile thought so still, and was
happy to find that the Noble Ihike (Athol) agreed with
him, that they ought to I.now the precise this, fixed on
by Counaci, and to have an assurance that they would
on that day lie ready to go on.
lord nom. iN o said a few words, hot from the' confu-
sion which continued to prevail in the House, and from
the low tone of voice in whirls the Noble Lord spoke we
were only able to ascertain that his observation related
to a change in the hours of their attendance.
The Loup Coax. Etaain then asked Mr. Brongliam if
it was to be understood that he would be ready to pro-
teed on 'Tuesday the 341 of ktober:?
dir. Buocini s3l replied, that without doubt lie should
be prepared on that slay which lie hall fixed npon as the
latest moment that would be required. To himself and

the %%Joule of the Learned (lentlone,' at their Lordships
Bar that slay would he most inconvenient, as it was the
first day of the o'4lllh:di sitting., hit that it was nut in
their power to help.

The LORD NEELLOR theft !kt a te..l. that it WORM be
necessary before the Counsel left the Bar• to state whe-
ther they hail any objection to allow Lord Frederick
Montague to be examined abroad in some such manner
that her Majesty might have the benefit of his evi-
dence. Ile understood, as he had before informed their
Lordships, that that Nobleman as well as another of her
Majesty's witnesses, were detained on the Continent by
%nth . indisposition, as to render it impossible for
them to come to this country.
Lord LI ERPOOL observed, that it was a delicate
question for consideration, how far what was on some
occasions of great necessity in civil cases, coukl he ex-
tended to a proceeding of so derided a penal character
as that in %shirts they were engaged. Ile ingested
that Counsel should he asked, and if they objecterl, there
was an end to the matter. Ile did not wish to give any
decided opinion himself; he merely n Ward to hear the
opinion of others.
The LORD FHA NrE Limn said, it was his slaty to men•
tiun the application ; hut there could he no doubt that
the consent of both sides must be given before any steps
could lw taken wills respect to it. It was fur their Lord.
ships to decide st het her it could he entertained. Before
he sat doss is, he begged to ask their Lordships whether
they had any observation to snake with respect to the
hour of meeting T—(A general cry of "ten o'clock.-)
Lord LIVERPOOL was sorry to make any alteration in
the hours, but on consideration he thought it would be
very desirable that they should rise every day at 4
o'clock.

Lord E.t.a,Nr. concorml with the Noble Earl. and
moved that the Howie sl Id ri'e every day after its
urxt meeting, at .1 o'clock.
The Logo l'uiNr►:i.t.on then pot th► iiiie.tion,mwt it
was agreed to 111.'1,i. rfeN. Out the base should meet at
I tea, and adjourn at C..iar daily, when it next met to go
on with the proceedings.

Tho Doke of Mewl-Noss read a letter from Lord To.

string: alai siiete ft4ispositibn pre;
from corning 'to Eogland: lie trusted their
would devise'some loran fit Obtaising the
residence of the Xbble Lord.
Lord Livraroot. said that any application which was
now made should cemefroni the witness himself to the
lionse. Whether the witness were of importance or of
no importance, be advised their Lordships not to listen
to the application.
The Loin CHANCELLOR acquainted the ATTORNEY-
(JEN ER 11. that two witnesses on the part of her Majesty,
Lords Frederick Montague and Mrs. Wiu. Curtis Bare
rell had stated to the House, that it was impossible for
them to attend personally at the Bar of the house ; and
concluded by calling upon him to say, whether he con-
, twitted to these two witnesses being examined by a com-
mission abroad.

The ATTORVET-ORNERAL replied that as he bad been
desired by their Lordships to produce the evidence at
their liar, be conceived it did not rest nith him .to say
whether that order should be departed from.
The Lout) Cr' ‘scv.i.t.ott said it appeared to hint that
that was all the answer the Attorney-littler:4 could
gi re.
Lord liot.t.tND hoped their Lordships would not come
to a lusty conclusion on this important subject.

The LORD CHINCELLOR remarked that in civil cases
the examination of witnesses by commission was by DO
means unusual in the Courts below; hut the consent et
both parties was necessary to this proceeding. Ile knew
of no case in civil proceedinp, where such a commission
could be asked by one of the parties to assert as a matter
of right. except indeed in snits arising out of transac-
tiont in India. In those cases the legislature had provided
by a distinct Act, for the establishment of Commissions
to examine witnesses resident in India. This alone
proved that it could not be a matter of right without
mutual consent. All these cases, their Lordships would
observe, were cases of civil proceeding, and he confessed
he knew no case of an examination by commission in a
criminal proceeding. Ile however was free to confess
that i; uj, many years since he had practised in that
brati.ll oldie professiotiond it might probably be tor them
to consider the propriety of consulting those Learned
persons wilt) trom their habits and experience, tbe
conversant on the subject.
After a few words front Lord Redesslale, the question
was disposed of, with the understanding that the Hogue
would not permit any examination of witnesses by com-
mission.

The LORD CD tNeELLOR then pnt the question, that
the Ilouw sliould adjourn until Thurday, the id of Oc-
tober. rt ten o', lack. The question was carried in the
and the House accordingly adjourned.

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We this morning received Paris papers of iVednes-
dry last. At one o'clock that day, his 31.t.sys t T had
received the .Insbassadors and Ministers from foreign
powers, and transacted business with the Duke de
Milieus:l.. In pursuance of the Royal firdonnance of
the 2 Ith ult. which dissolves the National Guard of Brest,
the Baron de tct.tev, Prefect of Finistere, issued, the
;lath of the same month, an urn te, which orders the re-
turn to the mayor thy of the arms 'lithe aforesaid guard.
The individuals a Ito do not conform themselves to this
arc to be prosecuted conformably to the regn-
lations of the 2 Ith July. Its Ili. This arras has been
aecompanied by a ursielatuation, which, after adverting
to the %reties exeited b. those rash and factions men
who had violated the duties of respect towards the
A'agistrates, expostulates a itls the inhabitants of
Brest on this seditious conduct, but terminates with
the assurance that the Government of his Majesty is
disposed to forget the past, and to welcome, with the
inexhaustible benevolencev that characterises it, all
those who tvould rally in defence of the Throne, and
of the 1,1,04110m0, which guarantee their liberty and
repose. At the end of the proclamation is a note,
austoanciog that the contents had been agreed npou
and approved by the Lieutenant-tieneral Commandant
of the Thirteenth Military Invision, temporarily
charged with the superior command at lirest, the
Count de Col: r trio.
Pruett Bordeaux, we learn that on the Stith ult. a
Spanish Courier passed through that city front London.
It is presmnetl that one of the motives aids journey is
to Kire to the Cabinet of Madrid those explanatious
relative to the discussion in the Mouse of Lards
which passed between Lord HOLLAND and Lord 14-
TERPOIII, on the relations of England with Spain.
Front Augsburg's, is a statement, contrary to the
Contents of many private letters, announcing that an
order has been given, prohibiting the entrance of the
Duke de liat.t.o, the newly appointed Ambassador
from Naples, into any of the .Austrian States.
The French Funds have again experienced a sud-
den depression.—Five per Cents. 74f. jtse.

Extract of a letter (roman American gentleman aow
at St. Thomas's, dated July, lnto :—" Several An*:
dean vessels lately artived Lere have been plundered

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by iiliklkt Preset pirate in the neighlsourhoosl of
Crab 'Arad. Out of three Amerielos from Marscarlo,
ttiovere robbed and the third &raped by superior
sailing. Depredatiens are now so frequent and Indio.
crinsinate. that some measures should be taken for the
protection of our commerce in these seu.

" The English hare found the necessity of acting
Decisively as regards them, and are determined tor,.
tnre every vessel whose commission is at all doltish!.
"The frigate Tribune, took some time since, the
schooner Oriental Bravo, (late the Montpelier of Bai.
tiwore,) and sent her to Barbadoes, where the hss
been condemned."

The public anxiety respecting the commencement of
the Qvlnvelt defence, which had been strongly excited
by the rapid strides in the proceedings of t►e Home of
Lords on Thursday, was unexpectedly interrupted yes-
terday by the discussion which took place, and is now
suspended by the determination of to-day on the part
of her MAJESTY'S Counsel. Mr. Mon-oust had yes.
terday requested of the House that he might be per.
witted to proceed immediately in the statement of his
case, with an option. that he might useat his discretion,
of calling his witnesses immediately after his state-
ment, or after the delay which the House had int-
imated their disposition to grant him. This mitten
gave occasion to a debate which occupied the greatest
part of the day, and which, with another to which it
pee rise, prevented any further tiogress in the rase.
A proposition founded un Mr. Boot:slimes request,
was negatived by a majority of 163 to MI; and on this
decision being communicated, the Counsel for the
QCEEN then proposed that he should be permitted to
comment on the evidence adduced in support of the
Bill, without entering into any statement of the case
for the defence. This request was strenuously sup-
ported by Lord 17,.!sausr, who proposed a wotioa
accordingly to the House, but it met with a similar
fate to the other, and was negativeeby a majority of
179 to 47.

On the ultimate derision of the Lords. Mr.
BPI/V.:HAM requested to be allowed till ten o'clock
this morning to make his election, whether he wouW
proceed i ttttt iediately to state the case, and 6%111 eti•
thence for the defence, or apply for a reasonable deity.
At the appointed hour to-day, he accordingly appeared
at the Bar. and waived the opportunity of enteric;
immediately into the defence, and requested an allow•
ante of abort, a fortnight to collect his evidence, awl
proceed upon the case. Some observations were
uncle upon the indefinite expression used respecting
the time required ; and after consuiting with lianas.
JEATT.II Solicitor, the space of three weeks was ?ho-
rse/I, and the House, acceding. to the request, re•
solved to adjourn the further proceedings in the case
till Tuesday, the of October.

Thus has an unexpected pause occurred in t!ose
proceedings which have furs length of time completely
occupied the public mind, to the exclusion of almost
even• other subject of public consideration. The
pause that has taken place, is plainly not the result
of the QCENN'S Counsel's choice, for nothing eta le
were unfavourable to ber 3Lp:wry's cause, upon the
minds who have been prejudiced by the r rpcie
evidence and statements that have Oren adduced against
her. This, however, is one of the unfortunate results
of the refusal of a list of witnesses. In the whole
course of the proceedings, the generosity fur which
the administration of English justice was formerly dis-
tinguished, has been strangely exercised. Hy t►e
refusal of a list of witnesses, a vast advantage w•::s
afforded by the Counsel in support of the Bill, and
as soon as the charges are made out as much as
possible, from that moment the greatest jealousy is
manifested towards the Counsel for the WIEN, lest
they should informally efface any part of the impres-
si that had been prodneed against her. Another
portion of that spirit ss ill finial in one of the in-
cidental subjects that occurred to-day. In consequence
of two of the witnesses who might he required in her
3Lu► set's behalf, who are confined *Load by inJis•
position, it had been suggested that a commis-io■
should be sent, as is tow] in tome cases of a similar
kind, to obtain their depositions in the places where
they are now confined. For this purpose, a mums
was made this mons* in the Ilium of Lords but,
Oli the opposition of the Counsel in behalf of time BM
it was negatived!

The utmost exertions are now making to pul fhe
Pavilion in an habitable state. Is is certainly his Ns.
jesty's intention to visit this town ; hut the precise
time of his coining is uncertain. We are inclined•
however, to think that his 311ajesty will not Ivan the
cottage at Windsor n Ail the conclusion of the pro•
reeding, pending against the Queen.--(Brightel
mid.)
Mr. Kean, on his way to Liverpool, at which port be
intends to embark for America, stops at Birmingham',
where he is engaged to perform a few of his principal
characters before histleparture.
The health of .Sir M. Loney has been much impairld
by his confinement. Previons to his leaving tk
prison, it is said he gave tea pounds to be distributed
amongst the prisoners, and to the servants of die
gaoler a liberal remembrance.
POPVLATIOS, &c. or PANIA.—The report of the Fresco
Academia of %cis-aces, on its trausartions shying file
year 1'49, contains the following statenwm:• • Ilte pa;
isolation of Paris amounts to 711,1111 U; the minaret 01
esesis-siontiriliatesl, or casual inhabitants, is 34,1100: the
moan number of annual births, 21,04.1 U; the propow`
of boys to girls in the births, as 15 to If ; the aewior
of h03°4101414, 24.5.0110 70,1:00 oven are annually cese
almeel in that capital ; !Olin rows ; 7ssjunt
KM sheep ; N,llllll hogs; 74 millions of '0"
9151,U1 pigeons ; I,3tIktIOU chickens.

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