The Statesman.
London, England, 1810-03-29 00:00:00

TILE STAT ES MAN.

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delay, the people might be excited to disconteet.
Without entering into an examination of 4heso
topics, he thought it would•be better'on a ques-
tion of a doubtful nature not to precipitate the
House. Between these difficulties he would wish
to steet a prudent course ; and though he would
not go to the length of the amendment, yet he
was of opinion at least the discussion should be
postponed 'till to.morrow.
Mr. OWEN, in explanation, stated, that he I
certainly did understand the passage to which he
hail alluded :is conveying a charge against the
House, of having imprisoned Mr. Jones under
sanction of the Bill of Rights.
It was then proposed by Mr. BRAND, to move
an Amendment to his Motion;; but the-Speaker
having intimated to the Hon. Member, that lie
could not in point of form, the amendment was
proposed by auother Ilon. Member, in effect fol-
lowing :
" That great Questing' being depending before the House,
respecting the Expedition ter the Scheldt', which so folly oc-
cupies and engages its attention, it is fit that the consideration
of the Motion now under discussion, respect in the rights and
priviteles of the House, be adjourned till to-inurrow ,se'n-
night.
The Honourable Member who proposed this
amendment, asserted that there had bees a meeting
at the house of the Right Honourable Gentleman
(Mr. Perceval) to prepare these Resolutions, at
which the Mover and Seconder were present, and
consequently they were Treasury manufacture.
[Cries of hearhAtur!)
Mr: I.,ffTH BRIDGE, the mover, immediately
arose to titter the evonusyllable " No!" to tise
Right Honourable Gentleman's assertion, an 4
further said the lionouribte Gentleman—" I tilt.
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dare upon my honour, that the Resolutions which
1 had the honour of moving are not Treasury ma-
nufacture !--ELoudcries of hear, hear !.]
The same lion. Member observed, there was an
underetanding upon the subject, fur the Seconder,
as he was informal!, was there.
Mr..BLACHFORD, the Seconder, arose, and
denied the aseertion.--Llkar, hear
Mr. R. DUNDAS would not detain the House
hut a short time. He was not surprised the Hon.
Gent. who brought forward the motion of adjourn-
ment shillala have said that the question was one of
great importance. Although he should object to the
adjournment, his objections were much stronger to
the Amendment now proposed. With respect to
the paper under discossion, Ma objections to it
were not so much to the enatter, as-to the manner
in which the Honourable Baronet had chosen to'
discuss the subject. The simple question fur the
House to decide was, whether the Honourable
throne had tlivettssed it in such a mode, and in
such terms, as were not an infringement on the
privileges of this House. It had been said the
Resolutions wereTroasitry manufachre; lie could
assure the lion. Member who made the assertion
that the fact was not so.

Mr. WI I. BER FOlte E declared, that no man
was more firmly convinced join himself, that the
privileges of that Hotnte alight to be maintained ;
for he thought these privileges essential to the be-
cyclic of-the people. But he (lid not think these pri.
alleges were to be blown away with a breath.; that
they could not a ithstand an attack withoutadopt-
ing sudden and precipitate means of defence. He
therefore saw no danger in acceding to the propo.
sition of delay upon this occasion, •in order that
the Howe shoetcl bard the 'folkst opportunity for
deliberation. This was; in fact, a casein which that
opportunity ought to-be Worded, because it was
desirable that those who completely and substanti..
ally agrCed upon a principle, should be able rightly
to apply that principle, and satisfactorily to state
the grounds Of that agreement. Such a statement
was due to the case, and to the minds of the pee.
pie. • The people ought to he satisfied that the pri-
tileges of that House were only enjoyed and es-
ereised for their stileatitage. Upon such a cows.
tinn, thh peopleought peculiarly to be consulted ; I
for it was only in connection whit the people, the
constitution of that House could be really strong.
For this reason, it became the •House to proceed
with the utmost temperance, seriousness, and gra-
vity, and therefore he would vote for the adjourn.
merit. To that vote, indeed, he was the more deter-
mined, in consequence of the declaration of several
Members of high character, thatthcy felt themselves
enable, from the pressorc of time, ti► make up
their minds upon the subject. When a Gentle-
man, for instance, so distinguished•for legal know-
Isoige as the Learned Gentleman on the floor (Mr.
Adam), and from when the House had board to.
night such sound constitutional doctriue; express.'
ed his inahihty to determine upon•the merits of the
paper under discussion, not having had time to
consider it, it eas surely hat proper to grant him
that time: but that grant was not only proper
with regard to him, but to• others in similar'
circumstances,• who concurred in opinion as to
the- Privileges...of tho How, thq re.
(juiced time to examine, whether the papei
under consideration involved a breach of these
Privileges, .or was a proper case fur the exercise
of the. power, which the House possessed, for the
preservation of theme Privileges. lie therefore de.
precated any hasty proceeding. On this occasion
he would, in favour of the principle of his re-
cmmendation, quote the authority of his Right
Honourable Friend, now no more (Mr. Pitt).
It was uniformly the sentiment of that Right Ho.
nourable Gentleman, that out all constitutional
questions, ho wished to take such grounds as
should serve to separate the really well-intentioned
from those Who appeared to be of a contrary elm.
racier. It was really much to be desired, that the
House should come to a decision of this case with a
cool mind, which was more likely to prevail, by
allowing the intervention of I few days. He
wished the Rims. to consider the publication ra.
ther as matter of history, and so determine upon
it. There were many who looked to it, with, no
tkollst, an honest •warmth, but that was a disl►osi.
tips ill-suited to judgment. Let the Ileum con.
sider how their conduct in this transaction' should
appear in the page of history, eien to them.
selves- in a year' hence, and so considering, be
was persuaded they would eautiousty 'avoid
pronouncing, any sentence under the warmth
of the moment, or • proceeding with any pre-
cipitancy. •U such a proceeding were taken
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In* opposition to the sentiments of those
demon of weight end consideration, who called fir
the adjournment, ho felt that the House would be
sacrificing the substance to thi;appearaoce. While
Ise fully agreed with the Right Honourable Gentle-
sin who spoke last, as to the necessity of uphold-
ing he Privileges of the noose, he must still sap-
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per the adjournment, as the best means of con-
saltier the character of these privileges. In-
deed, be could not conceive bow any thing could
be iodised by the adv'ciiates of the Resolutions,
from a perseverance in resisting the adjourn-
ment. Fur even though it were negatived, it
would be impossible for the House, at diet late
hour of the night (nearly I,o'cluek7, to go into the
discussion of the other question, which must ne-
cessarily occupy a considerable! time. For these
reasons he recommended it to his lien. Friends
on the Treasury Bench to proceed in the case
with peculiar temperance and candour, and above
all to avoid any thing that should expose the
House to the charge of being actuated rather by
passion than by judgment. [il loud cry of hear.]
The MASTER of the ROLLS delivered a my
forcible speech in favour of the adjournment, in
the course of which, among many other things,
he observed, that the request made by so many
respectable Members for time to consider this sub-
ject was a reason for the House's granting that
time. The disadvantages of precipitation in al.
most every case Were cloyeiderable ; but in tied) a
case as this, they were so eunterous„ and might be
so serious in their corset, that the evils of thew
might be said to be alienist idcalculable. it would,
in the first place, be gouerally felt that justice
could not have been•dotte' to the subject while so
many respectable Members declared themselves tin_
prepared for the 'discussion ; and the decision
would fall shoriof that satisfaction to the public,
which it was always desirable should take place,
although, in some instances, that might be impos-
sible. He voted last night for the discussion of-
this subject this day ; but, had he foreseen that
the discussion would have branched out Into such
a length as it had done, he should certainly have
voted for the adjournment. He .thought, then,
that the whole subject of the Resolutions, and tel.
so the subsequent proceedings on them, might he
disposed of in the course of this evening ; but
that was now become evidently impossible. The
question now before the House was, not whether
the leave of Common. possessed the privilege of
committing a person to prison for offending against
its rules ; but whether the denial which Sir Fran*
cis ,Burdett had made of the existence of . that pri-
vilege, was; of itself, a breach of that privilege ?
Ho had this morning read the paper Complained
of, . anti he thought it a trivial libel on the House
of Commons; but others might wish to read it
with a great deal retort of deliberation than they
had hitherto had an opportunity of doing. Ano-
ther reason for delaying the decision of this mat.
ter was this—although there might, perhaps, be a
generticoneurrence of opinion un this paper, yet
there might be a great difference of opinion as to
the ulterior measure to be adopted is consequence
of- it, and therefore, if the question .before .the
House were to be determined to-night, the remelts.
der of the subject would go off to another night.
Another reason for deliberation was, that althu'
the House claimed the right, and necessarily cleita- ,
ed the right of judging of its own privileges, not
only because that was the Constitution of Eng-
laid, but even if we were to frame the Constitu-
tion anew, it would necessarily be so ; yet the
House should proceed with caution in se judging,
for it was never to be forgotten that the Mouse was
in such case always judging in its Own cause, in
which it was impossible to be too cool and delibe,
rate, where assess@ atlaiited of ,that c oats.. As
to the privileges of the House, ho weak! say
in short, he; had always thought thous Deets. 1
sary to be maintained, ,impossible •to Ist relies.
(visited, but very cautiopsly. -to be atercised.
1 should bo very glad,.. said his rionossi, there
was a decent ground on which we could eetrest.
from phis question. 1 never know of any dis.
mission on the privilege of Parliament prodottive,
of any good; but it would be the mister
evil of the two to shrink from the discussion
of a question of privilege, when brought be.
fore us, because it would then be a vain thing
to attempt to conceal real timidity under an affect.
cd boldness, under .pretence of contempt,
passing a question by itt silence, and therefore yots
must now meet this question ;. but 1 should really
be very glad of a decent anal hotieurahle pr
of avoiding this question ; but we cannot avoid it.
We should, however, proceed in such Assimilate as
that we may .carry with us the assent of all the
most judicious part of the community. For these
reasons, without attenipting te influence the opi-
nion of any body else, I am now for an adjourn.'
meet, in some form.or other, of this question.
The CIIASICELLOR.of the EXCHEQUER.

from his Right lion. 'I. riend who 'puke last, not
to oppose the adjournment. lie was anxious not
to be thought as obstinately and pertinaciously
adhering to opinions of his own, whieh, how-
ever, he still unfortunately retained. He tithed
distinctly to state, that though he yielded to the
opinions of others, he footed no reason for so
doing through fear, or a wish for unanimity.
He still thought that in point of legal right and
lewd crime in the charge,. the case was as clear as
any that had come before the House. He agreed
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to delay•
on the ground of necessity. [ Load cries
of hear! hear! from the Opposition. With an
understanding that the introductory part of the
amendment should be omitted; with this under.
standing he must be permitted to make an ohm.
vation or two. Front the manorr in which GO-
Outten opposite greeted his acquiescence, the
House wasuld-see what sort of unanimity it was tbuy
wished to preserve whets they desired adjourn.
meet. Some of his Iloiinurable Friends had been
imposed upon by them a hat respect. With• that
observation on their consistency he would leave
the Honourable Gentlemen to their triumph.—
[Loud cries of hear, hear!]
Mr. PONSONtilf—" Sir, the Right Honour.
able Gentleman who spUlte last, is nut justified is
what he stated; for if be considers say ehecrieg
frogs this side of the (Wits u a talcss of Its tri.
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mph, be is mistaken. The Int niets d
question being agitated, I meted, that it ulloold
be postponed fur a meet, that the Isla heat
of the night would• net allow a beliciestitilf:
deliberation,
asbewrati otnu follow ,
low ;
considering
this thenot
important •
1144101 l
e unanimity that the gight Honourable Gte.
deman expected his sesinieseence to a sink,
Motion would have been rectived.---.[lieef
I would recommend hint not to rate this Ade ot
the House too low, or that which he sits on too
high; fur although no defeat of the Right lies.
Gentleman could be thought a triumph to thee, yet
be ought not to show Ito tottered—[hear, heti
for, whenever one of those Hon. Gentlemen, irku
had been in
.the habit of acting with lilt, cr.
feted in opinion from him, he got frigutetwo
and, by a feint, attempted to show he cm;
plied with the wishes of the House. len net
nor are my Honourable Frieods, to be deceivei
by tricks of Cabinet finesse—they may two
held him in his past, but this side of the liiiuso
cannot be longer deceived. [Mar, hear.] I
should fed ashamed, if any point gained over the
Right Hon. Gentleman should be considered as
triumph by mg r.—[/tear, hear lj for, high as In
may think himself, l should be sorry to be so lei,.
.[Loud shouts of hear, hear.]
The last amendment was then withdrawn.
Mr. LETHBRI DG E said, amidst-loud r,ie,
adjourn, that the speech of the ltt. Hutt. Gentle.
man bad been a sort of alone, and :tut argument,
and brought no conviction with •it if it did,
was high time that there shoal! be some alttrat*
in the rules of that House.
Mr. 81, A Cll I:0 It I) said, that a grand moth.
tiunal question of th,it kind ought to take precis .
deuce of every. other. --(Loud cries of attieern
adjourn la • $
Mr. D. BROWNE thought it highly jades.,
roes that lion. Members should be interruptul
while out their WV, in the matinee they bad, by
Gentlemen walking on the floor of the Busse—
[Hear, hear n
The SPEAKER then put the question nu Mr,
Brand's Amendment, to adjourn the debate us
the merits of the question, to next Thursday,
which was agreed to
The other Orders Of the Day were then disport.
of, and the House adjourned at half-past Two
o'clock.

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THE STATES.IIIAN

TUURSDAY, MARCH 29, 1810.
Aoviuts were received in town this set*
from Cadiz, by which we hhve the melancholy is.
formation, that in consequence of a tremendous
storm on the Spanish coast, the following ships
have been totally lost. Happily the British Flat
rode out the gale, though nut without EMS 44
noise:—
Concepcion ll2 gum
Montartter, 74 guns Au
St. Itamond 7-4 gam. ""- 811/14114-
Peer
Maria Priineria 74 gum, Portage:se.
Driven on shore and imt to Cadiz Bay and shout ib ASO
British, American, and SpaniAti unrehentmen, lace if b.
mooed : among tits former are the
Elpetibent, Captain :lama ;
J oliy Tar, —6-aain, 1)A Vit :
hicinaths, &mast testae
PeaaMaata."%=4,o"-**4BclAlt ;
- ftiekani, Teanspast4 •
rot, Ditiot
Leattetweew the 6th aeithh of March, is Ci4lttlft:lll,l
ship carat by the French.
Tate reperts from the Cultiinent are cuticula tot
interesting.
The Saxon Prineess, whom report had con:
signed to the arms of NAPOLEON, is now said to
be the destined bride of the Archduke Caixtist ,
for whom the Grand Duchy of Poland is to bo,
created into a kingdom.
These reports we give to our readers manly
such.
Bat ametber report, though peeing in this
k marriage, states the Throne of •Spain to be tint
on whisk the AncnoexeCHAßLl3 is ID be platti.
—The ii.rtecoar King Cniumcs sad tirehd9ll
FERDINAND the Vllth. being destined ferSelat
America! •
King Louts, it is ssid, will continue to reign
over the Hollanders, to whom his return will tot,
laarsasters. bet vomit trAlk
.41011 the coodution of a
General Peale.
ON the Debate in the House of Ceramist, last
night, so interesting to the People.of Eellandt ".
shallot present make but one obsertstio The
House may prevent the Peep:stem ArzAtlNti,
but they CANNOT PREVENT ThEM
FROM THINKING !
This important Question, it will be moo Osi
adjourned till Thursday next.
The action brought by Mr. AA ttM
111G11 BAILIrr of 'Westminster; for 'his 6,1166.1_
Sou the famout.sertitiny, which, doubtless).
in the reeeflettitis of many of ate read"
W,
strongly corroborative of the general arlUSif
Sir FRANCIS BURDIITT.
lt
The Htou BAILIFF *ailed OS • pistificalltsO
he had acted by the Order of the NOM qf
mai:. But the Jury, utttl:r the direed**o( 416
lade, deterteinett that getter to be engq*Lit
tta) law of the ;04i11--.ll4lviii Mr. Fox a NOP
ler 110004.

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