The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-01-22 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN

Did he mean to say, that it was necessary it should Itiriutit'm IVI)"
denied the existence of a contract. He, therefore, after many
have-been mentioned in that statute ?He would re- by his Hon. and Learned Fiend, which I
renuirks we have not room to detail, moved, as an Amendment, 1
fer him to the various Prize Acts, which had, from 'That this Hour
having taken into. its serrtafoiuns cortitilewraittiirn
time to time, been passed. if the Droits of Admi- it; last y 0 and
disposed of by thePe Crown as
ratty were not vested in the Crown, to whom then Droits, is deeply impressed with the necessity of inquiring into i
did they belong ? In whom were they vested before tgdoililltlell;etaisunictig succeed in extent andti Application of
, shothe
uld followe.'—
it
the establishment of the Civil List ? But the Civil up by adding, " That ancarryrugmble Address he presented to the
List Acts did take this property from the Coown. Prince Regent, praying his Royal Highaess that he will be
On the grants in the Civil List Act, there were parts vaciouiy pleamd to give directions that an Account he laid
fore thethe House of the Droits, and Payments made as Droits, i
of the Royal revenue retained by the Crown, and from the sth January 1810, to the 6th January, 181?„dtstinguish- i
amen,* others, the Droits of Admiralty ; but the are ing by whom it had been received, and on what account ; and
o to also that an Acccount be laid before the House to the same cf- I,
gument of the Hon. and Learned Gent. would go feet, before the expiration of the first ten days of every Session
leave so much in the situation of a Privy Purse, and to of Parliament."
. Tap ee n
dCmHe
nAt, N
contends
nR o
take out the present. Now where was the accuracy :
n
that it
of distinguishing these Droits from the other reserved ; h wars Ca
nH Fa
tl e t
nU Ep Rt ton p
ap ;tax t
n t h a
e
• mere vote fora paperangt;nmerited censure upon Ministers. He
parts of the revenue, from the revenues of the Duchy ; had no objection to a similar account to that of the ltitli of May,
of Lancaster for instance ? It was not exactly as the i IwBol,oiidbhei i being
himself
mnuzofnorti.het table, up to the present time, and
Hon. and Learned Gentleman had stated, that the 1
, Mr. TIERNEY explained.
magnitude of these Droits in former times was never ! Mr. BIOUGHAM, in reply, mad
intained
p sltareneunotuayd, that
considerable ; for the Droits which arose out of the i t
abrogated,he .r g ii
abawthe: then
Crown
nign
ought the
, witeitihn;afety to the
six years war were really of some size, as six or I Constitution, to retain such ;immense sums at its disposal.
seven hundred thousand pounds were in existence at I
oplineio. nPw°llSfrr BTirerenxePeem
that
dt
tlamesnenlftraderctidhcellLeofn
thetl same
the period when the, Civil List Act passed, which ; reign and Parliament subsided, both parties not having
were afterwards granted to, that fund, in the same I broke Capon it.
manner as the proceeds in the Spanish or Dutch BTheghtriLvaistittlinennsewleaereredd
itailrdedwnei
trodnetr sat:l
in s !hoz! Mr.
VMS alluded to, had been applied to clearing off the The House divided upon Mr. fierney's Anieudincnt.
debts on that fund. It was material that a question For the Amendment Si
43
of this nature should rest on a proper foundation ; While strangerswere excluded, and after the division, we en-
but in the present case, the foundation on which the demand, that Mr. BROUGHAM prepaid that' a Select Com-
Honourable and Learned Geutleman voted, hadmitten
wtnitrawinu-ld the ailigiiitsntee, to consider
itif thethebesint,nmeaneinseontrf
been taken from under him by those Gentlemen who and disposal' of the Crown, and refitting them a',. o:able to
had adopted his side of the argument. They had . the public service, under the direction of Parliament.
disclaimed any intention of stating any instances of The numbers were—Ayes "26—Noes 94.
Adjourned at Two.
abuse, and they merely contended that there was a _...........--
liability to abuse ; but a very material part of the
speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, which,
whatever impression' it might make on the House,
•
was certainly calculated to make an impres- •
sion out of it, was, that the Government of this •
country had been guilty of successive acts of abuse—
that
if any distinguished character was to be reward- ~
the Ministry c.une before Parliament with the
~.,
claim ; but if any minion who might excite disgust
in every person who heard his name, was to be re- I
warded, it was done out of 'the Droits of Admi-
ralty. Would any man suppose that the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman would have brought forward ..
_
an argument of this sort, when it appeared that he
could not point out an item out of all that eight mil- 4
lions which had been bestowed to a favourite of Mi-
nisters
?—Was this fair to the country ? [Hear !]
~
Was it fair, he would ask, to inflame. the passions ,
of the country with statements of abuses which he
could not partiCularize ?—That he should take no a
notice of the large deductions from the amount for
:1
the necessary claims upon it?—The case of Sir Home
Popham was the only one which he thought proper It
to mention. This solitary case which had before I
been satisfactorily explained to the House, was, it k
seems, all that by ingenuity and industry, he was able II
to bring forward. But what was singular enough, CA
was, that the very first item of the Debts of the Ci-
N
vil List which had been paid from the Droits—
the very first item of this gross misapplication, at i
which all England must be astonished, was done by n
authority of those most unexceptionable, by those I
most constitutional politicians, Mr. Fox and Lord s
Grenville. [Laugh!] He was not objecting to the
a
appropriation, nor did he wish to retaliate any charge
upon them; but when it so happened that that Ad-
ministration, of whose principles the Honourable e
and Learned Gentleman was known to be a professed tl
admirer, was the Administration which set the first 1
example of that misapplication, and that such a r
practice had been countenanced by those unexcep- ,I
tionable characters in his estimation, this was rather
a material circumstance against his argument, and r
was at least entitled to some consideration from him. r
Really, however, to do the Hon. and Learned Gen- 3
tleman justice, he did not believe that when he made
the present motion he was aware of that circumstance.
[.l /aegh.]
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT thought the Right Hon. Gentle-
man, although he had touched on some of the collateral points of
the question, had left out a very material consideration. He had
urged the inconsistency of supposing that Government would ge C
to war from unjust considerations, merely for the sake of the
Droits to the Crown. The astonishing fact, hoe ever, was well tt
known, that there have been Ministers of the country who have s
ce: wet) pl tneod the enuatry into war front such unjust coati-
detat foils a great part of die Right Hon. Gentleman's Speech
eras directed to the qualities and qualifications of the Right lion.
,Gentleman who brought foreead the motion, and to the conduct it
of a former Xl.laitiostration ; but that hail frothing to do with the u
argienent. What the liberty of the subject called for, was what
they ought to consider. la time present day Parliament was v
really so ornamented with gentlemen of the learned profession, t
that arguments were now listened to, that would at a period i
which was not beyond his experience of the House, have bee° 1
rather coldly received. It was ii, the nature of man to de-
'I
sire pots er, and noihing could be more constitutional than
to watch with an eye of jealousy over every means of re- i
venue which were not under the controul of Parliament. It
was a fact, that a King might as Kin; - --- mew. with t' 1
4.:esil List in debt, y_et with
_private
siderablettmonnt. Nelms elhd 'fit ' a
which had formerly been very coolt It
were now relinquished by those w:
tion.—lle remembered to have hr 1
by a Judge Advocate, that the i
D
at mach the private property of t
gentleman was entithet to his fortui a
see, though the King might have tie
coroner. that he could hold ate pt
a
than fur the benefit of the publi I
money into his own pocket. It as
money might he disposed of. It had i
to Nlinions and Mistressee ; but nee'
persons es Members of Parliament it
buy all the sales Ie boroughs, and priiiciii_ _ o
meat as would willingly sanction the matt unjust romans. He
was sorry that this question had at present been brought for- c
ward, for he coosidfged it so strong and so clear, that when he
saw the disposition of the House he could not bat be alarmed ;
lest they should decide against the public, which was against c
the vital interests of the country. He really, whets he saw
the liberality of the people of this country, and their wit- I.
lingness at all times to support tie dignity andspleado tee of the c
Throne, was astonished to find, that while the debts of the Civil
List bad been increadug, the splendour of the
Throne had heen C
diminishing. He mast with sorrow confess, that it appeared to
him that the original splendour of the Crown had - ibid.
nished, and that several establishments had been laid
while more than three millions had been paid to the Civil List.' a
Mr. Banker's salutary Bill had never been acted on. He
main-
tained that the whole of the Droilsof Admiralty
ought is
the captors; and that those who bear the hordes of
ought to have the benefit of it. The public, as they the war
were at all
the eraosee, ought to be entitled to the cookout of what II
from die war, upon the present system, it might happen that !I
Civil Lid might be burdened with debt, while a Kingmight a
gross half the landed estates in the kingdom, his en-
i
as private pro.
perry. 1
HOL considered i
Sir JOHN NIC the subject in two polatkof
view—first, apiegir: to the internal state of the
condly, to its e f relations—he both a which con
mmteleYe t se-
leaded no lajery could arise to the comae from *reams cos-
leaded e
of the DiOl4l its tie baads-of the Como). y In 0
.c°l3tiallaace
Matshat mach inconvenimme and he ti might arks— hear- I
them *feeds* heads isi wia _ from with-
them. tie OWedie6oo had
par. TIERNEY, under thereat probability of the
1 deal/meddle grown, Mt ft right that the red,
.b..., be expressed as se the caegavaaot of these erille largedthe ouse
des the COllif9ll at *eiders ; hut Ile cow., opt maw se-
a fna concur in the

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THE STATESMAN.

LONDON:
WEDNESDAY, JANUAIIY 22, 1812.

° Last night we received Corunna Gazettes to the
13th instant, in which we find accounts from Lisbon
to the 4th. Government also received Dispatches
yesterday from Lord WELLINGTON, dated the 25th
61t.; and from Gibraltar, of the 29th. No part of
the dispatches to Government have transpired ; but
the Corunna Papers contain extracts from two dis-
atches from Lord WELLINGTON to the Portuguese
Government ; the last of which is dated the 25th
December, and mt•etions that the 6th division of "the
Army of Portugal marched from Placentia, on the
21st instant, and, crossing the river 'ruler, marched
in the direction of Navalmeral." This route leads
directly into Castile ; and private accounts state,
that this division of the enemy's force had been sent
rlo Madrid, to supply the deficiency of troops there,
Lwhich had arisen iu consequence of the greater part
[-of that garrison having gone to co-operate in the
siege of Valencia. The accounts from Gibraltar
mention, that the French are closely besieging Ta.
'We, with 11,000 men. They have brought up
eighteen pieces of heavy artillery, with which they
were bombarding the place, and were erecting
batteries for more, so that it was much feared
it would fall into their hands. The garrison con-
sisted of about eight hundred English, under
Colonel GOUGH, and 5000 Spaniards. Nearly 100
pieces of artillery had been sent from Gibraltar, to
be mounted on the walls for its defence, and our
gun-hoats, and small ships of war were using every
exertion in its aid. General 13 tIf.LASTEROS'S head-
quarters were at SL Roque. Daring the time that
his army were obliged, with the inhabitants of St.
Roque, to take shelter under the guns of Gibraltar,
they had been exposed to the most severe hardships,
and, to increase their misery, it rained incessantly a
great part of the time, which loosened a part of the
rock, that tumbled from the top, and killed and
w.ougdeol. 4,:yoasker of these unfortunete . persons.
The hme, se-itiett broughl the dispatches from
Gibreltat; left Messina on the 16th of November, at
whirls... time Lord W. BENTINCR had not arrived
there.: 'ln the early part of November, his
Majesty's ships Thames and Imperiezese, having
ou board a detachment of troops (250 of the 62d
reginseat, commanded by Major D tItLEY), made
an attack on a convoy of the enemy in a small port
near Naples, which was moored under protection of
of a ten-gun battery, and about MOO troops were in
the place. Notwithstanding the disparity of force,
our gallant fellows landed, to the number of about
300 men, including marines and seamen, stormed the
battery, spiked the guns, and drove out the enemy
with great loss. After a severe contest, they took
possession of thirty sail of the enemy's vessels,
which they safely brought away. The prizes had
arrived at Messina before the packet left it. Two
ships of war, armed ea flute, had arrived there with
troops from England. During the time the packet
lay at Palermo, a frigate arrived in the bay, on board
of which, it was supposed and hoped, was Lord W.
BENTINCIL. The Nobility and principal Inhabitants
of that place had made a grand procession to wel-
come his Lordship. They were, however, much dis-
%lmitated, to find that Lord BEXTINCK was pot in the
frigate,

ORDER OF THE DAY.
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right to this prepefty
property on any other
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