The Statesman.
London, England, 1819-03-09 00:00:00

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allind.llllooll.l the me who had acceptrd, and the
maw who bad reheard, the bribes which hail beets of.
lewd . Bear. *ear !I-- After some os bet re-
meek', which were totally in eradsble its the sanely,
froes,this le.w Ines of voice in which they wpm made,
the Hem Member yrresersederi I. twee., es fee as we
couid hiar, which w.s far ;ram "distinct*. that there
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11.5 set tt lOW injurious Cisso”* for lint Reese to per.
ive, than to Sppoint a sr/cern! Committee to try over
(this prbeiltdbles writ', drat. It had been stated in the
Itliseassion on the Report, that the bribery in this no.
rough had been general ; bet he could assure thew,
that it was no rock thing—[lewd ienghler)—what
little there bad been, had beets meets esaggerated by
idle gnosipping end iittle.tattle. He trusted that Ode
case would tagache errossidered of such a weber. a. to
esti for so aims a step 'lithe dislraischisernent of is..
borough.
Sir James Macietesh and Sir John Newport
reels as thy wee lime to address she Bosse, hot as Air
Jams first attracted the Speaker's eye, Sir Jobe
Newport set down.
Sr JAMES MACINTOSH then said, that he had
listened with some attention to the few gramme's's
shirk the Ben. Gentlemen who had just sat doom
had employed in the course of his speech. By so
doing he hurl discoreged that the Hots. Gentlemao bed
'meted into /mooing which were In their sentiency
of mach greeter importance thee the original Tres.
den itself. That gestation, Iteweeer, wet one of the
most imperisert questions that could come barite
them • and Ice thv present temper .es this country was
reeded iamb important than ever, seamed as It
wee eeeeeesey le allow the disposition of the Mere
with seal and viper, olive corruption. as
heti he jest wader:4 .tier brought befog. it.—
[Hew !]--lie was thegefeh. sorry to hear the worth
gossipping and tittle.ta.tle minified to facts which
were so well subitangleted—(llear, hear. hear D
I hecause the, were not the. weeds shies a Misdoing
of the Crewe ought Is. ipply t• mulch Arlene.
breaches of she Coostitstleo es has been report-
ed to the 1/0001.—..6( Mier. hear, hem-!)--He
should almost seogegy thsi the Chenr•Por of the
&chequer had net heard speech of the II •user-
elde Baronet, as he had so completely mistaken Its
tendency end bearing. The Honnerable &troop' had
wet talked of disfranchising the beresigh ; he had
only told them that there was a prima Jack race of
bribery and ceireptlon established opium it, which
called for the strictest essminatiee, and which ought,
therefore, to be investigated most narrowly and
closely, Is ittitiCll to the mese, the country, sod
the borough which was so strongly implicated In it.
As she Hon. Baronet had sot cold a word sheet ills- I
freachissweent, the segments owed against it were its.
applicable, and dirt net require any police from
Re could not, beeever, is justice to that Hon. Mem-
, her, !grinds' from saying, that hie conduct in this
begin's% had been highly inedible, end had given
him a fair title to the thanks of the House and the
cnuotry, inasmuch es he had brought the question
forward in a manner well calceleted is reconcile the
People to the laws and Constitution as they palsied :
at present, any man who had read the Minutes of
Evidegicr, must have seen that there was a root-
pietism of correptine in the whole beainess from
baginnhig to and ; wtrd the question in consequence
was, whether it was tech a colour and such a coin.
pleainn all authorised enquiry. Its his opinion it
certainly was suflcieet, especially when he recollect•
rd, what the CA...cellar ef she Eachequer seemed tia
bees forgetters, that In the last Parliament the elves.
tints of the Members returned had been avoided
on 'cermet of bribery. With regard to the alga-
meot that the appointment of untidier Committee
would be to retry the case, he maiistained that
it outsold be no such thing.—The former Com.
unitive bad conchs/led its sittings. bed given iq iji
Report, bad declared the sitting Member to be unduly
I elected, and nothing could pie call it into existence.
The Committee nee moved for had not to rem.
rho Iscriegiiggi ion which the presioes Committee had
begets; it bad °lily to enquire, whether rise borough
ef Peery• bed Dot been guilty of tech corrupt and
illegal practices as required the interference of Parlia-
ment ; and %bother its inhabitants bail not betrayed
the most sacred treat which could be confided in rheas
—the Privilege of Election. Bet then, says the
Chancellor of the Each's/lure, the !louse has net the
power of eaamining witnesses upon oath. What
then had become of those ileciiintsa which had beet.
made previously to the tonsils; of the Grenville
Act If the Honourable Gentleman meant to
say, that the House could ,under no circemstauces
administer en oath, what slid he bay of the proceed•
ings in impeachment, or what in the proceedings,
which he did not mean to defend, on Bills of At-
tainder? Te use oath Wowse alas to arraign the
principle es Which our forefathers had acted, and
was calculated to bring into contempt both the jus.
tiee mod the jurisdiction of the Bosse. Ile, there-
fore, meet toast every nhjectien which was fnendril
on the principle that the Muse was tint Ode to ad-
minister as sills, as Irrelevant to the tiers • . The
Honourable Gentleman then proceeded In Greve on
the iseeessity of appointing another Committee, he.
mean the lesteeppoioteel Committee had no sight to
treersiee into the corrupt practices which had etisteil
previously to the late Election. Great evidence of
them had come incidentally epos. their Minutes,
thnogh, in his op. • it was slot solicient to dig.
franchise the borough of Penryn. It was however
worth considering, whether these incidental disco-
veries were not such as eeght to lead the llous•e to
prosecute the investigation further, end on reflect,
whether they ought Nut is tieusfer the elective (ran-
Wsp to those who would make a better sue of it than
its present possessors. Such a line of conduct ea.
west calculated to vindicate the honour and integrity
of Parliament, and he should, is conseqeence vote
fee the motion of the Mu.. Barone,.
Mr. ATKINS WHIMI said a lb* words, bet
ice ess low a lone as se insedible its the Gallei y.

Str. F. DOUGI..ti tltuaglrt the pre.esit a great
aourketieuel toestics, end thous!' hot eu hired!,

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iheoreticol plans of itoftienr,
present cage, either to treitafer
..tae other phree,„or to merge•
nitr►. 'rhe•iaw.il boroughs
the erne* of the Itepro.
blinulkl not ho 1040.1 at
borough, but es it affected
Ihe cases of Cricklade and

_mush' had been puttidied for the ;
sets of a few of their Members. Grew, corruption
appeared to bare take. place dean tbe late election,
sod he was ready to vote that the stew writ should
est be issued sill doe enquiry had taken place.
. Sir F. HORDE rr could not partake in the vide.
sea indignation displayed by the House on this
question, because he bad long been aware, that the
practices which had called It forth were as notorious
es
the son at onno.day. When be recollected that,
on woe of the King's Ministers being tensed of
frolicking In seats of Parliament, the accusation was
met and stopped by ibis declaration, he did not seei
what right the Howie had to assume so much of the
' pride of virtue apse this occasion. It was hard to
and it would be .till more hard to get any saw
that llools to believe, that the other boroughs
were more liwasaeulato than the borough of Pimp+ ;
therefore, when he beard such loud mete
shoot Purity sf Elevion, Ptitilleess of Parliament,
' Breaches of thawarPrivileges, and so forth, he looked
Spew them as nothing wore than gaudy topic+ of duels.
elation—speciosa rerbis, re mania. Sock roc:ridings
as erre taw essetenoninted were not in his ropinioe
c+lcelated tit do much good ; inasmuch as they would
only render these corrupt practices more were!, bat
not • whit teas pernicious. He did not see that Mr.
Stamen was at all more to blame then a greet many
Gentlemen who were foretaste enough to Wall their
'seats, nor that Penryn and its Electors were at all
more colneble than the Boroughs and Electors in
many other parts of England, and especially the
West. Mr. S•enn might say to some of these who
or., censured him so severely, " Mutoics norniir,
theasse applies le yourselves : you base bee. gritty
of Witmer as well as I."--[ neer, hear !—No, net
•-•firder I] —Whet pretence was there for saying,
that there was more virtue in Old Sams, or eseu iu
Koareaborough, though represented by the Hon. and
lorlieteil Gentleman (Sir J. Matintoeb), than to Pew.
nn? It was perfect,' notorious that 40001. we
50001. were taken for Seals by great propsieters of
boroughs; sod. why should iodination be se vehe-
ment against • body of men, who, Weill their
liviog to get, had accepted a paltry 201. a piece 1—
On the wetter', it shield seem that these Jodie'.
deals had Wen remarkably moderate I. their des
minds, end lied set au example to the rest of tai
tribe that might be followed to advantage, fere
they hail gives a seat for the comparatiarly small
sem or 2.5001. It was ridiculous to talk of an sot
,airy like this; It eta a mere mockery to suppose
that it *scold accomplish one gond end ; the Wieser
of the Ilona', or if that were begging the question—
/leer !]—at ell events the sees, of the country de.
inanded a general and immediate investigation of the
whole subject. In truth, the character of the House,
end the respect that ought to be felt for It out of
doors, hail heels lost by idle oppeeitiam ie
der, order!]—Ile could Dot, think/to, agree to the
disfrairchisemesit of Penryn, or to any step that might
lead to it; It would be • groat set of Injustice to
punish an indisideal who had not sinned more than
great many others who were smooched, and a boo
rough which was not worse, end probably not so
corrupt as a groat number of others that could be
mentinord. It was well known, no G-nilemen
could venture to deny, that bribery had been
committed in a thousand other instances—[Order!
Bear, bear!]—sod the punishment of it in the
particular case, instead of correcting the evil (if
ilonoorable Gentlemen could persuade themselves
that it was one), wneld have directly a osietrery of.
feet : It wield be cooslderesl le she country as a pro.
reeding where injustice was backed by hy poet lay . I
Tr. folly of It also was apparent, for no man wedlil
be Imposed upon out of doors ; nom* with his eyes
open would believe that it was any 'Wog but a trick
end contrivance—s pretence to Induce the weak and
childish in imagine that Parliament was desirous to
purge itself of correptiod; when in truth it we. only
anxious speciosity to cover Its loiquity.—[Cheers,
end cries of order!]—E'er his own part, he (Sir F. I
Burdett) would much rather that boroughs were at '
once rendered legally and publicly saleable as at en
auction, because he knew that there were many
honest soil independent men in the kingdom elle
woutil willingly give 4,0001. or 5,0001. for • sees gas
the House, If they could do it fairly and prerp/Mt,
that they might bring forward schemes which they
thought would benefit and illustrate their country...-.
Pleat., hear !] —They wished, and he wished, obit
toe ',stem of secret elimination end secret intrigee
should be totally abolished, and that the morels of
the country should no longer be undermined, mud the
character of the Hoes. invaded, by tech nefarious
practice,. Why should trot boroughs avowed to be
marketable. W !pottered openly marketable lib. any
other commodity ? For these mums be protested
against ell measures of severity against auy of the
putties concerned in these transactions.
Mr. BRAND would yield to no men in his seal
for Parli.otentary it-form, bet must protest *phut
the dominos that had been advanced by the last
speaker. It was, ;miter,. extremely probable, that
a melsorr of Reform would, before this time, have
been cattieil into effect, had it not been for the wild,
v,siunary, absuld, impracticable doctrines that had
boots tro•rhod (woo the subject.— [Load coils ef
Hear! freon all purls of Ilse blouse ]—lle would not
tejort what he slight hove it is. his power to obtain,
lineati.• he could not obtain all that he dratted. lie
thiforott irons the night lino. Ceatlientiet opposite
(the Chancellor of lite Erictrequer). in the view he
tied t•ken of the sulject. lie thought the Horse
was bound to investig+te all the circumstances of the
case, and that s Committee was loudly called for;
the enquiry had formerly beets confined to the case
of she sitting Member, sad the whole vi the evidence
had not horn gone into.
The CII A NCELLOR of the EXCH EQU ER did
not mean to ..eject to • short delay.
Mr. mAirriN (of Galway) said, his principal
objection to the kooks:: 3 writ in this iosteoce wa•,
! because it w.+ a r tt.tt tttilitaty iin t,fut of the worst
sped. • Ili cout.t ...mi., V. loin the whole quo.
tiun of Itt•frras at toner. FL did cut set why Cat

[loose to Myr the SI y te! githinall and ;Ii
V. I - Ade, • led, in thit prose
I elletabily lie • of election t• snug
eta kntibloct‘i bisreelleentig goer.
onehrhinnevit the iPreitlimit defect in
thosaht that sentation, mill the geestior
hillteted a pm leerely Ifs •ftiving the b
*verity on the in- the Cansuitotinn. In the
geoid aohjniti to Shor•hern, the lintninglis I