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not know what was the conduct of the Comems..—
or %chat further evidence they might have esolloeted—but
this 11.- knew, that if they were wet ant to welt evidence,
in the view to criminate her Majostr, he would charge
this at a ,'rime against Ministers.—(ilear,hear, hoar.)—
The Hon. Itaionet behind bite had asked if ashy Notice
o ere given to the Queen of these proceedings. *No noire
being given to this question, be must tale it for
ranted that no notice had been given. Ile repeated„
then, that if the Commission was sent oat for the pnr-
/,,,.e already stated, nothing conld be more wicked; MI-
.. tern %sere bonnti to have ;rresistable..esuldenee to go
loon, before they held up the Queen toall Europe aaw
Lmittal. The very moment his late Majesty died, they
moitted her name from the Litnrgy,• and hold her up to
the country and to F.nrope ass woman guilty of the
oreatest crimes. The next thing they slid was most est-
traorulinary ; for if they relied on the evidence. why
olsonlul they offer a compromise ? tint bee Ma
thjeaty re-
ketell it with disdain. For if she accepted *n a pro-
posal, it would be no.more than pleading guilty, and re.
eonneing all bet rights and dignities. That was the
way in which lie woold argue the question. Of the
ether negociations he had no knowledge. ; every infor-
mation %illicit he had was open to an. On sending
down the Messaoes to Parliament with what was called
the Breen Bag ? a proposition was made by the Hon.
Member for Bramber, by which an amicable atijastruent
was contemplated. lie (Mr. Tierney) %viral agalast that
rahtion on many ground Majesty refused to come
into any teems until site had obtaine I a fall recognition
of 'all her rights and privileges: .and, in his opinion
she bad acted right. tie next adverted to the speech of
the Iti.rlit lloaourable Member foe the Ultivorsity of
Oxford-(11r. Peel,) and said that that Right Honoura-
ble lientleman, although he toted against the motion,
had vet admitted that Ministers were guilty of miscon-
slitrt.
Mr. PEEL interposed, and stated that he bad con-
demned the erasure of her Majesty's name from the
Liturgy, the refusal of a Palace, and their not recog-
ei zing her acs Queen.
Mr. TIERNEY proceeded. He could not help
theothing that these exceptions to his approbation of
Ministers were exceedingiv important. In abort, the
I:re of conduit roomed by them no man living could
defend. as appeared now by the confession of the At-
Laalev-41ene-al. Ile had the greatest compassion for
'Lao Learteal lientleman, wha, in fulfilling his duties,
was forced to make his statement out of the filth put
Into his brief by the Ministers. '1 here was not a man
in .he Kingdom that did not deplore those proreed-
Cp to the moment of the introduction of
t':e Bin of Pains anti Penalties, he was confident
t' at Ministers toast have some well-founded charge
tooliost her Majesty. But from the moment he saw the
71-31111,!, to that Bill, he nas ituniediately convinced
-o they had no direct or distinct charge against her,
kit this. 'lamely, that as the Queen would not consent
t to them, she must be degraded. The At-
ti.rnev-tletieral bail saved him a world of trouble by his
allmis•ion that lie had stated the facts as he found them
his brief, ronaisting of such filth as he, in the course
tO; his eatensive practice, had never submitted to any
person. oithosit haying sifted it. but collected it front
Ist off chambermaids—servants, and discarded raga-
honds—atnl without any inquiry into their character.
s: conalitet of Ministers, as it appeared to him,
I—quire:l more than erasure. He had attended the
other House Juana the proceedings, thinking that
the. tate:vote would ultimately be brought down
to that House, and he was enabled to say that
every step of theirs manifested the utter! ant of faun-
station fur their proceeding. With respt to the Bill
i!self, he was of opinion that such a proceeding ought
r over he rest.rteal to, evrept in cases which were beyond
Cat ordinary existing laws. Farther than that, there
1414 no 111.ifiration for the adoption of it. tint here
t"., me-ore operated a dreadful injustice. Ile felt
as'onislie.l at lc-drill', it stated front the other side, that
t!.e witlp!rawing of the Bill after the third reading, an
frooi ',Alio, :in acquittal of her Majesty, amounted
to a mural conviction. If this were so, ohs- did they
withdraw the Bill ? Ile was willing to give full credit
to those who protested against the withdrawing of that
MP, who amminted, he believed, to 10 or 12.—(N0.
n...)—At ill events, they were a limited number, and
gave them ample credit for sincerity and consistency.
Beindis, if they believed her guilty, why did they place
at her disposal so large a in.,, 114 that granted
her provision which she refused ; and, in
b's Opinion. she was properly advised in so doing.
lie now now declare that he would not pursue the
'object any tether. first, because he was not able to
continue touch longer ; and next, because he did not
think it necessartu, Ile eonlal not, however. pass by
some of the obsoiwattoes that had fallen frotn the lion.
Aitreagiver for Corte Castle. 'I hat lion. Member, it ap-
peared, after protesting against the proceedings of Mi-
r:sters, after deelaling his total dissatisfaction at the
Legit ttt ing„ the middle and the end of their -measure;
yet did feel Itimaelf justified it voting against this mo-
lists, or any other measure dliielt might endanger the
bold of the present Ministers in their situation.—Rot I
the great mischief, in the lion. Member's estimation,
was no‘tliat the prevnt Ministers should be turned
not, but.that somebody else shoold be turned in. Now,
he would saf, that if all the eligible persons on both
sides of the, posse were swept off the f ice of the earth,
.14.611 three would he many, very many per•ames found in
the country etpabje of making a goad administration.
Rut then the Hun. Member supposed that there would
i.e no one to take office but Lin (Mr. T.'s) friends ; and
then the llonouralule Member's horror was awakened
as she osittowf -.retitle the measures of Catholic Ewan-
tipation, Parliamentary Reform, and Cie repeal of the
twvu Bills against' the Press and Twonituary Meetings
refried into effect. The Honourable Member then
atided a personal compliment to him (Mr. T.), stating
that he gate hint credit for regarding office only as an
.aultjert of bonnet-tilde ambition. But he added., that he
(Mr. T.) hail been seeking office. The lion. Member
was wrong. If he ',opposed so, he (Mr. T.) would de-
chart- alms in. hal:nor that onell Wat. not the case : not.
at the eastir tiitto fr in any want of ambition or desire
tole piacetl in office; lint because he knew his
dos were nutstliered and he lta,l not strength' to
ads. Large flue es of it. Ile always professed it wish
for 'ewe ; but he nos not now aware of any office in
which it would be in his power from his health and age
to be of the smallest service to his minter. Butt the
lion. Member charged it as an offence against the Noble
Mover of the question, that he wunltl not sanction his
ii lemis being presented to office without a chato,e of
measures. He (Mr. T) would say the sante.—((cheers.)
—Tbe lion. Member was afraid cat Catholic
nn. lie (Air. T.) would soy, that, to the latest day of
his life--for the tranquillity of the empire, and in order
to ensnre the entofort and* prooperity of the -people at
large, he would do every thing to lair power to promote
that tnea•tire.—(Cheers.)—With respect to the Bills
alcairst the Press, and what were eaHed tnninltoons as-
s, mblie4, lie had not chtinged his recorded opinions.
Bat when the Hon. MeMber expressed such horror at the
hare thought of seeing these Bulls repealed, he ought to
be reminded that gulch a measure would only anticipate
the Noble Lordlilraself u• foe it turned-wat itat tire- Jet
ration of those Bills was only five years. *Nest. ao. to
Reform, he had been a friend to the rip-

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ciple all his life, I
teration as, with safe,.
a better opportunity
presented in their
Commons—to this
Such wore his
and if the people ,
these were the conditions upon
Aim. 'I he Right Ilan. ticntleinan then proceeded to,
notice the charge of a junction Wawa the Whig
and Radicals. He strongly denied the existence of
any such union. lie willingly consent to NI
merged with holding an understanding with the
" many," because lie was sure no Ministry routs! the
well
that had not the approbati.,n of the people. That
House did not speak the sense of the people, and
more, the House knew that they did not. If any
doubted it let bins Inoic at the petitions on the 'fable.
The sense of the country at large, be contended, was
against the present 3linisters and their system. The
Noble Lord imagined h.• might appease the people by
baying the soothing words instilled into their ears.
" ',tette Ministers have given yon peace. Did not
the Chancyller of the Excite-finer, that great Financier,
call forth your reeources."—Aye, so he slid, and
spent them into the b segain.—(A loud langh.)—
What was the ob;e:.t of that war? To limit
the rower of Prance. Did he sin an? let the House
look to that kingdom, asol eompare the employment oft lie
National Assembly there with that if the 111*.nglish Par-
liament. The former was engaging in the very work of
taking off taxes, after having provided an ample Sinking
Fund for their debt.—(l'h•ers.)—The forbearance and
patience of the people deserted to have their wishes re-
spectfully attended to. What was the source of all the
people's distress ? The Noble Loril's party had
been
now nearly 36 years in power. Wonl4l any man say,
that if their system was a good one, the country wool.)
he now in the situation it was placed in. In short, did
not this eonslitissn of the people amply prove that the
system of tioyernnient was radically bad. The para.
mount fluty of the House onglit to lie the rigid discharge
of their duty. Let them pause and consider the nature
and bearings of the question before them. It W 44 not
sn
lunch the Miitiaters as it was the House of Com ttttt ns it-
further hat was on its trial—and all that he wonl.l add
was, lion send them • good deliverance.--

(Gond cheering.)
Lord CAS't LER FAG II wished to recall the atten-
tion of the !loner to that whirls one's' to he the par-
'titular object of attention. Ile would admit, that
the speeds of the iliglit Gun. Gentleman was a very
proper and manly 71:e: cli, ;mil that the Noll. Person
who origin:Veil this motion, and the Hon. Gentleman
wi) supported hint, had very fairly and candidly put
the question to issue. Ile hail no objeetion to follow
their honest cimitu t, awl he avowed that it was his
intention to place tt.e ilef nee of Ntiasters tyros the
braadeo and most undisguised gr omit witich It
won'd admit. Ministers had been charged with
rerefueing to anti:seize the full recognitcon of her
Majesty as Queen Consait at the dittetent Cottrts of
the Continent. But how was this rept ehensi-
ble ? He beege4l the !louse to attend to what
would be the consempences of an opposite coarse.
lf, in consespienee of their forbearance and conni-
vance, her Majesty 1ia..1 Leers received with the Mlles(
honours of a lltteen Consort ahroail, whilst they were lo
possession of such elm., gee if thesi bail born Isrforet hem,
would not her Majesty have !seen then enabled to come
to this country with :inch an instrument in her hand ...
(Universal lafeliter.).—lle %%mild repeat, that she would
have been enabled to emus• here with sueli an instrument
in her hard—(inereaseil laughter)—as %%mild have been
sufficient to contrailic: the motion that I iovernment had
any confidence i n the ittrunti.ition they had received
against her, and would have been the !strongest argu-
ment against the ins:it:vim' of any necessary proceed-
ings against her. It:it he utterly disclaimed Ovine any
authority to any ,Niiiiisi cc abroad to treat her Majesty
wqls any wanton insult or incivility. Their ilirectisiu
If d been, that she was to be regarded as an individual
who had not been received at this Court. '1 he Nimble
Lord asserted the pewter of the Crown to exclude any
person from Court, and declared that he wwild have con-
sidered that he hail forfeited his ammeter as a public
Minister; that he would bare brought disgrace upon the
Soveregn, and eternal dishonour on the nation, if be
conlil have consented to sign his bawl to a despatch,
directing that the representative of Majesty abroad
should sit on one side of the Queen
and the Courier on
the othrr.—(Chimers.)—llowever Wong the ehargcs I
might have been against her 3lajesity, lie yet con-
tended, that Ministers ought to have lent themselves to !
any measures which had fur their object the avoiding
of the inquiry, consistently with satisfying the drum snots
ofjfistier. They saw,' that whenever the tranquillity 1
of the country M:l5 likely to be re-established, through 1
the favorable interposition of Parliament, there was al-;
ways souse new adviser to mar see happy 0f,j,.,.t. The I
NOM* Lord then mitered into a justification of!
the late inquiry, and eontendeA, that his Majesty's
Ministers had. done all in their power to avert
the necessity. While a negotiiation with the I
Queen was still pending, time eery:silts of tin-
Crown did not feel themselves warranted in exhibiting
to the country, the disgusting picture, flit when time
Queen. accused as she ii as of iiiinitery and treason, had
forced herself bard: int° this country. they Ism{ no alter-
native. The objeet of his : Majestg's Government
.was
mint to provoke inquiry i psilistol a question, lint Ti'n bp
avoid it. Ile nest %%snit on to argue, that the lime and
Learned Member (Mr. Brongbati had snit insisted at
the esuessiesreenseist tat tire ice of her Majesty's
n out in the I. 1...r.,..-.. His I hip (Lord C.) then
proceeded to elvers' partiettlarly ti) the TA ii )))) 4 it'ai n re%
of her Nlajesty's cotelnet which had given umbrage, and
to the preseut stages of tb' proceedings against her;
and entered at a kerb which our licit. prevent its fol-
lowing, in to a justilieation of the coarse pursued he
lioyernment. Toward. the eonclneion of his speech the
:noble Lord attacked the general conduct of the Oppo-
sition, uliom be ilesciaseil as 1.-4••••ard fur a aeries of
years in opposing every measure of the tiorerionent,
whatever might he i:ii• state of the comintre, whether in
a state of fomign war or internal ri•Se!lion, or it hillier
a mutiny prevailed in time tleet. .1, to time petitions, I
upon Wfsich so minis reasoner iI*LIS 1/1:11T11, they were not,
he said, by any Wean( SU lIIIRV, gnus as those Collected by
the veteran Major. in favour of Radical Reform.
Mr. BROCCIHMI ruse immediately ; and, as soon
as order conlit be obtained, rettnesteri time favourable at-
tention of the honer, not so notch. because he was in'
1101kie degree personally concerned in what posited, as
because leo had still todiseharge the remainder of an
• anxionseluty se her 31vjestv. rendered infinitely mere
painfnt and harileeennie by the toile null mattes of the
• peech of the Nobie Lord. It was Mihty well for the
lion. Member fur Curire-castle (Mr. ILinkes) to assert'
that the time w:.s slow come when lie (31r. Brougham)
might offer his promieeml explanation ; mud it wits very
easy for time cominis,iimer of woods and forests (Ar. Iles-
kison) to repeat the•tannt, and to allege as a reason for'
complianer the euricinsion of ail inquiries iegariling the
Qneen. lie would appeal to the Reuse, after what load
icouried, whether there was any appearance tisat those
11writivo had fermi wateti.-7-(Heac;hear.)—)lad all inlets-.
Lion filcher to molest the Queen been finilli atir COOP.
pletely abandoned ?—(Heir.)—Did time veerhis stititill4

moderate and guariled
on? Th.! Attornev-
taken upon himself to
elsewhere: the Mem-
lentber fur Somerset,
voluntary witness, the
introduced cilargat
Mal of her Majesty,
and hail .t only maintaining a currem
pontlence with Prrgatui, but of transmitting to him largo
sums of the public usenet, to support him in a guilt,
spleadour. It he bad shat his ears to all matters ill mete'
ritinonr, and his eyes to the statement of the motive aissigu.
ed by the norm's's. for Liverpool for trifling office, vis. his
reluctance to become a prosecutor of his Queen—if
hail refused to look at the systematic attempts to malign
anti defame her Majesty, not only in that part of the
public piess known to leer ender the control of the em
:speasible advisers of the Crown, bat also in that odious,
disgusting, and detestable portion of it which pretended,
,lis give to the vaguest and vilest slander the autheneti-
'city of place, time, and circumstance, which was a re-
proach to the frank and generous nation in le Melt it
was promulgate-el, a stigma upon the freedom of open
-discussion, and a senesce of misery and dissension in dm
mystic life ; Itr still eOlllll not persuade himself that
there was even a probability that proreedincs against
the Queen were abandoned. Mod forbid that he should
aecnse Ministers, or even their most suspicious wider-
hogs, of giving encouragement to the public tinisaoce '
to whirle he hail just referred : whoever might hr
its telethons, it evidently showed an anxiety to keep alive
caleutinious topics of heat and agitation, Sind, with other
proofs. convinced him that though the noble lord had
ielimpeisheil all design of further prosecution, the in•
tention still existed in some unknown and irresponsible
eptaver.—(No, no ; hear, hear.)—Who should say that
some Hanoverian advisers might not be shoot the rood
hatching a new rase more perfect than that jest defeated
and exposed ? Who should say that they would not lay.
a body of evidence• before some chancellor of sonic elnelev
who in leis turn might submit it to a set of ministers who,
rather than abandon their places, would drag the re-
luctant anti unolreueled country through a serond dis-
gusting and demoralizing imptirv. Ile might safely
say, therefore, that the case against the Queen was
not yet dosed ; lint at the same time be was prepared to
follow the Noble Lord through the various parts of his
speerli, Ireurritt, to what had been stated in the last
session as to she grounds on which the defence of the
Queen wool*, be resteel...The Hon. I lent, in a speech of p...
redid:. energy and eloirencr, whirl' we shall resume from
this point to-morrow, then 1-caminrol with minetteness all
the argnments whirl' had been argued against him, and
dee-leered solemnly, that thee roterse lie hail plersesed dor.
log the whole of the proceedings in the Queen's case
had hero regolated solely by what he thou glet most ad-
vantageous to her Alajestv, and serviceable to the cm:fl-
irt., under the circumstances in whirls he felt himself cal-
led upon to ace. We cannot even however, forbear
to give one personal remark, t'h'e
le he
hemade with more
than osual emphasis. lie said slionlil do an
injostice to the 4.l.iren, if be did not now before
the House, before the sveseetry. and before the world
make a sol.enin :eq.:ever:dime, that had hr been seated
as one of her Joilges, and not standing a: the
bet to her .t•lvoest.., he should leave pelt his hand
upon his heart and said, Not Guilty. "If I would not
have done so (he exclaimed), and if I did not believe
the Querti gitilelries of the charges imputed to her,
now imprecate all the most horrid curses to fall upon me
that ever yet fell (you tee head of any man!" These
words, from the tone and manner in which they were de-
livere I, pro hie, d.t very gr net sensation in CII rise ins,.
As .son as the thou. ant Learned Alensber heel eon.
closeted, the (gallery was cleared for a division, and the
numbers were—
For the Motion
Against it

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ity to the people of bring re- (letters!, to esesette himself. had take'
it
ownions in the noose of reassert what he had only avarrted else
hhi. he woof' lend hinoelf, her for Surrey, backed by the Mem
opinions, candidly and openly ; and stipported by a noble bat roltu
r bad any thing to .do with him, member for Westmoreland, bad erre ii
unheard of until long after the sequin
.ditions upon which they must take
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