The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-03-27 00:00:00

ascent in the year 1792. The decrease
Oho much by his Majesty's Ministers was about
-.oo4entb of the whole. He amid sot here avoid noti-
cing dm enormous expenses iocerespl in the office of
Secreted of State in the year 1816: 'lleum *stir.- steel
in the year 1915 for extra extraordinaries to Ambassa-
dors was 50,0001. but the sum afterwards voted was
145.5011. Of this MOON. went to Lord Castlereagh,
5,131/. to Lord Stewart, besides 6,538/. to Lis Lordship
for extra couriers, and 4,1091. to Lord Cathcart. The
year in question, however, was an extraordinary one for
the lavish expenditure of thepoblic money ; for sacrifices
made by treaty, and for other circumstances, which
would long be remembered to the disgrace of the coop-
try. Over and above the sum he had mentioned he
found 8,97 W. charged for plate presented to Foreign Mi-
•risters, though he found not a single present made to
the Minister from America. To the presents made to
the Prussian and Russian Ambassadors there was really
r o end. It might be said that all these sums had been
submitted to the vigilance and control of Parliament.—
They bad but as Parliament had approved of them,
where was that vigilance and control so much talked of?
It had been said also that as pensions increased eateries
y.nold naturally diminish, but he did not find that pen-
'shins diminished as salaries increased. Indeed he
thought it often happened that an Ambassador remain-
ed in office just long enough to qualify himself for a
pension, and then made room for others. An apology
had been offered for the increased allowance in the
known rise of price on every article of house-keeping,
and the circumstance of the exchange being 30 per cent.
a. 4 ai nst this country ; but both of these were temporary
They had since been removed ; but no diminu-
tion of expense bad followed. Why a reduction had not
taken place it 'nicht be difficult to guess, unless these
situations were connected with Parliamentary influence.
In general, no person had any chance of rising in the'
'profession of diplomacy unless he had Parliamentary in.
fluence. Formerly a man's talents, were sufficient to re-
• sure his eminence in this line; a fact of which Mr
• Ethan, Lord Malinsbiay, and Mr. Fitzherhert, had been
worthy examples. But now the most lucrative situa-
tions in this departmeot were filled only by the brothers,
sons, and connections of members of Parliament. The
Hague Pad formerly been the centre of European nego-
tiation ; but now it was one of the least important
places in political consideration. Formerly a petty ap-
pointment at a petty German court would be thought
scarcely worth the attention of any gentleman qualified
for diplomacy; but now appointments of this descrip
son were eagerly: sought after in consequence of their
connection with Parliamentary influence. He thoughtit
was perfectly unnecessary to pay Lord Clancartyl2,ooo/.
a year for enlivening a ()etch town by his presence;
a:id tie considered, that if that Noble Lord was not over-
paid. Sir Charles Stuart, another ambassador, was not
paid enough. Then there was the recent appointment
in respect of Se itz.olantl ; an appointment which might
accord rery.well with certain recent appointments, but
ay:th which the English people had no concern whatever,
except in the way of payment. Gibbon, speaking of
the embassy to the two Swine'', had observed, that the
Ambassador wools! be better employed if he were sent
to Mount Vesuvius, and desired to send an official ac-
c.ount of its occasional eruptions; and lie (Lord King)
thought, that the Welch Ovntlemaa lately sent to Swit-
zerland might as well maim himself by sending over,
an account of the minerals and other patural prodne.
tions of that country. Whethei be did so or not, it was
certain that Le was very well pild out of the ptiligxl
money; hut a faction had possessed themselves of the
hoard of Control, and this appointment proceeding from I
them, might no doubt be thought highly proper. The
Noble Earl opposite had terved Cis diplomatic appren-
ticeship opposite, and had no doubt been paid for the
lose of his rollout and the other valuables of his
library. The late appointment to Switzerland however
be considered as a complete diplo•natic job. It might
be said that the continuance of all these veteran Am-
bassadors was necessary to preserve the balance of power
in Europe. If it were said the balance of power in the
House of Commons the phrase would he perfectly in-
telligible. It was no doubt considered necessary to pay
4,900/. a year for a Minister at Turin, lest the geardian
of the Alps should fall asleep, and no doubt it was ne-
cessary to secure the independence of Germany by pay-
ing six thousand pounds a year for a Minister at Retie-
bon. lie would however do no injustice to the Noble
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. lie must admit
that the Noble Secretary had reduced the number of
Cirri:, in his Office from thirty-one to thirty, and from
a just regard to economy had forborne to send an Am-
bassador to cnngratulste the King of Portugal on his
art iral at Lisbon, though on a former occasion he hail
s-iit an A iihassador to that city. when there was neither
Icing nor Court there. Ills (Lord King's) complaint
• is, that there were too many Embassies, and that
iiIJIIV of them were too high in rank. Every advan-
tage nal Leen taken to increase their expense,.but none
stas ever taken to reduce it. Ile conceived there was
ungracious in asking the Crown to assimilate
the expenses as much as possible to what it had bees
hi fore the last war. It might be said that the allcw-
cures Isere not too marsh because they were always ex•
vended.; but this would he the case it' the allJwatices
were even three times their present amount. He was
convinced that influence and patronage were the objects
of all this expense. The Treaaury bad swallowed up
the petrona,e of every public Board, and almost of
every public Off re. The Comtnander-in-Chief's Office
was a source of patronage; the India Board was eo
better than a job ; and the office of Third Secretary of
State wits also a source of patronage. These were all
upheld for purposes of inl'uence. Ile Mentioned tie
India Board and the third Secretaryship of State, be-
cause he muss satisfied that one of them might be die-
per.sed with. They were kept up solely for purposes of
influence ; and it had even *been shamelessly avowed,
•th st fir the purpose of influence it was necessary to
keep tip certain offices, whether they were useful or
useless. No campaign in the course of the last war
Pad been so successful as that of Ministers against the
independence of Parliament. Whatever bad been their 1
errors during the war, they had been in this respect
eminently skilful. !!ere they had shown no imbecility,
mi nibbling policy. There had here been no expedi-
tions saving of Antwerp or the Helder, but there had
h?en energy, promptitude, and perseverance, cot yield-
ilig to that of Bonaparte himself, and lastly, there had
been complete success. Ministers had ton clearly shown
how weak they were fer doing good; bow powerful for
working evil. Tuey had by their councils 11.41115P.1 more
mischief within the last 30 years than hod hefillen the
country since the great Revolution. Millions hail been
expended to preserve the influence which attended its
expenditure; though he admitted there was one honor-
able instance of a great Statesman having sacrificed a
pe')per corn to preserve some of those millions. But
influence, all powerful influence, had, he thought, suc-
ceeded in annihilating the independence of the British
Parliament. The Noble Lord then concluded by
moving, " That an humble Aldress be presented to his
Majesty, humbly representing to him, that the expendi-
ture relating to the Civil Government had greatly in-
creased ; especially that portion of it which consisted of
payments to Ministers sent to Foreign Courts; and that
the expense of the provision for them, which was made
in the third of the classes.provided by the late act of his
late Majesty for that purpose, was too great; that the
reduction of this expense would be productive of mach
benefit to his Majesty's subjects; and humbly request-
ing that his Majesty would be pleased to give orders
for effecting a reduction in this and other branches of
the public expense, so far as the same could be accent-

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plished reinsktentlywith the di nits of his 11114/figes
Crown an/the happiness of bit imeeple."
The Earl of LIVERPOOL mid, that lit fairly. mei-
deri ng at-ewes, of the ci ell Government there could.
he thought. 5o no foundation bee dm charge Wind
Ministers of a wanton desire to Merges* the public ex-
penditure awed he could sot sem& bin aurptiSe at
such a 'charge coating as it did at each a time and uuaer
inch circumstances as the present. The Report of the
Finance Committee of 1817 was ens the table of their
Lordships, stating the just amount of the public expen-
diture in the time of peace ; and it was a fact that the
present annual expenditure was 1.200.000 i lower them ,
the sum fixed upon by that Committee. He would sib
them was the charge warranted which bad bees brought
by the Noble Lord against his Majesty's Ministers?
tie (Lon' Liverpool) had stated last year the small pro-
portion which there was between the expense of the
civil Governmeat compared with that of the military
establishment. This was always overlooked ; and the
latter expense it was not in the power of Gavernimot to
reduce. The half-pay alone, which was a dead expense,
amonntcd to five out of the sixteen mafiosi of the gene-
ral expenditure. Entleavonrs bad bees made by Go-
vernment I years ago to reduce the public bur-
dens; a committee had been appointed, and they effect-
ed a reduction in the Customs. He mentioned this
merely to chew that Government bad endeavoured to
diminish the public expense. Bat justice was due to
the civil servants of the Government as well as the
others; though reduction cduld not be effected sudden
ly. Ile would consider what reductloas could be effect-
ed immediately and what gradually : first, he would co-
Ike the observation of the Noble Lord as to the power
ni Parliament over the Civil List. He admitted to the
fullest extent the power of Parliament on all subjects;
but it had always been a maxim among the first states-
men that so long as the Crown kept its enemies within
the Civil List allowance, Parliantent Owlet
terfere with it. In fact, this forbearance of Parliament
was intended as a temptation to the Crown to regulate
its expenses within that allowance. He admitted that
the particular branch alluded to by the Noble Lord was
perfectly distinct, and ;vas therefore an exception to the
rule; but then it confirmed the doctrine in question as
to ail the other breaches. He must here correct as er-
ror into which it appeared the Noble Lord had fallen.
The Noble Lord bad stated that on his present Majesty's
accession. Parliament had settled the Civil List accord-
ing to the standard of the currency is 1816; before the
passing of the measure, generally called Mr. Peel's Bill,
and that as that measure bad considerably affected the
currency, it should have been taken into consideration
on the occasion in question. This argument could only
mean that Parliament with a full knowledge of that mea-
sure had so settled the Civil List; bat in point of fact
the settlement in question took place at a time when
the exchange was considerably against this mom
try ; so that in either point of view the amount was not
affected by the alteration in the currency. The addresses
to his Majesty, voted last year by both Homes of Par-
liament, called for an inquiry into all establishments,
and all salaries increased since the commencement of
the late war, so as to bring them back as nearly as pos-
sible to their original state. In consequence of these
Addresses, Government had considered it to be their
duty to institute the most minute enquiries into these
subjects ; and a plan, the consequence of those enquiries,
would come before their Lordships, he believed. in a
legislative shape. According to the fair Meaning of
Guise Addresses, Government might lir-e base storied ;
but having accomplished thus much, they thought their
plan could not be carried into ere .1 without injustice to
individuals; and they therefore considered it to be their
duty to ad eh* the issue of an Order of Colman respect/mg
such offices, the salaries of which bad not been in-
creased ; and which bad continued stationary without
refitrence to the changes caused by tear erproce. It was
thought but just that the individuals reemving those sa-
laries should be called upon to give up 10 per cent. from
their incomes. The sacritice made by Isis Majesty had
been noticed by the Noble Lord very falorilv and
although Ministers, in recommending. it. w hate
suffered no inconvenience themselves.. .a
was bat due in
the feelings of the Sovereign to declare. that on his part
it had been altogether voluntary. The whole humiliate
annual saving amounted to 200,0001. within a fraction;
and there was a further annual savieg in prospect of
170,0001. ; and it was for Parliament to consider whe-
ther Government had not, under all the Mcomstances,
done as notch as could be fairly asked. He now came to
the third class of persons in the proposed new ye'
inet.t, and which had been particularly observed upon by
the Noble Lord, with respect to the allowance made to
Ministers abroad. A comparison bad been drawn be-
tween the present expense and that of the year 1792;
but it was not generally kuown that the scale Of expense
fur 1792 had been framed upon one for the year 1721 ;
and that no alteration had been made on that scale until
the year Iso4, being a period of 83 years from its ori-
ginal adoption. He really submitted, that it would be
absolute ruin to a person acting in, the diplomatic line to
engage upon the old allowance, unless he had a large
fortune, on the certain prospect of s retired allowance.
It happened, however, that this very subject had been
cousidered by the Committee of 1816—be considered the
' then estimate a fair use. lie would tonfideotly appeal
to any person acquainted with diplomatic subjects, and
with foreign countries, whether theme was the least ex-'
cess in these allowances, unless the individual were
called upon to hit • e with his private fortune. He
would put this fairly, on general grenade, without refer-
ence to any particular case, and without enquiry whe-
ther the allowance was a little over in one place, or a
little under iu the other. But then it had been objected
that seine of their appointments were of a higher nature
than were necessary ; and Holland and Switzerland had
been particularly mentioned. As to Holland, be certainly
thought that, if Ambassadors were considered useless at
every other Court, the necessity of one for Holland would
still he admitted. The opinions of all great public men
on this subject were unanimous ; even those of Mr. Pitt
and Mr. Fox, when politically opposed to each other.
The Court removed periodically from Brussels to the
Hague, so that it was necessary for the Ambassador to be
at a considerable increase of ordinary expense, almost
that of a second establishment. With respect to Peters-
burg and Vienna, it would be thoggitt a niggardly
policy to discontinue the sending orAnthassaari to
those Courts, cons,dering all the circumstances relative
to their i nportance in European politics. A Noble
Friend of his opposite (the Duke of Hamilton we believe)
had been sea t as Ambassador to the Court of Petersburg,
at a time when there was certainly no disposition to in-
terfere with its politics. The appointment respecting
Switzerland was, be contended highly necessary. In
1813 and 1814. touch had depended on the Influence of
this country witb regard to the independence of Swit-
zerland, and So it zerland felt grateful for the exercise of
that influence. The importance of Switzerland ought
not to be oudervalned ; for on account of its geographical
situation, it might. next to Holland, be considered as the
key to Europe. it was impossible that a couutry border-
ing on France and Uernsany could be considered as un-
important. With regard to the fitness of his Hon. Friend
who had been appointed, lie would only observe, that he
(the Earl) had appointed him to a former situation in
the diplomatic line, at a time when no onicould suppose
the appointment was caused by political partiality. In
all these appointments the ordinary rules bail been ob-
served as closely as possible. He begged to repeat his ob-
servation, that it had been considered necessary, in con-
sequence of the redactions he bad alluded Is, to make
individuals not reduced, contribute 10 per seat. in sid
of the fund which was provided for dose who were. On

the whole, he confidently sultrniyted that no one :C-
-loister was overpaid. The appstments lead been liber-
ally made to avoid the necessity of tette eafraordi
which had become very frequent ; but it we* usdoubt-
edly better to make no appointments at all Om any
whiadi would sot amble the objects of them to sustain
their tpoblic characters. Hs conceived that the Noble
Lord bad made out se case whatever in support of his
I motion, and be should therefore give it his decided op-
position.
Lord HOLLAND thought the question lay within a
very narrow compass, sad came to this, whether or not
a lavish expeaditere had been sanctioned by Govern-
' ment—whether or not expensive establishments had
I been unnecessarily kept tip. They had beets told over
and ever again by the Noble Earl, that the establish-
meats bad been reduced as low as possible, so u to save
every shilling. He had held very lofty luggage on
this subject both in and out of that house, and had in
effect said, " by the tenure of the existing establish-
ments I hold my situation, and the moment they are
touched I have no more to do but to lay my dutiful re-
signation at my Sovereign', feet, fur I will not conduct
the Government of the country unless adequate means
for carrying it on in a manner consistent with its cha-
✓acter and interests, continue to be afforded." When,
however, these establishments had been reduced, the
Noble Earl, with what grace he would not say,. bad
promptly started up arid claimed the• retrenchments
forced span him as a part of his plan, and which he had
for years opposed as injurious to the country. The
Noble Earl bad fairly stated that the part of tfie Civil
List which related to the provision made for the Crown,
was not now open for discussion. He concurred with
the Noble Earl in this, and though, if the question were
before them 4 he might he inclined to suggest different
arrangements, and to snatch, without the slightest re-
morse, some of those allowan,es which had been thought
necessary, but which he did not regard as such, for the
honour and dignity of the Crown. The third class, as
the Noble Lord bad admitted, was open for their con-
sideration. If then any man could think after referring
to the returns, imperfect as they were, which appeared
on their Lordship's table, that there was no case of ex-
ern made oat, he was bound to vote against the motion
of his Noble Friend ; but if, after the statements which
had been made, it should be found that those expenses
were greater than were necessary for the services of the
country, and under existing circumstances a redaction
of expenditure was necessary, lie was bound to vote for
the motion now before the House. The Noble Earl was
fond of referring to the Report of 1816. This was con-
venient foe the sake of enuipaeisea. The Civil List ex-
penditure of 1791, the Noble Earl bad told them had
been calculated on the scale of 1721. Bat if be were not
mistaken Committees had sat is 1796, and 1790,and report-
e in favour of idiminutiou rather than for an increase.
Much was the slate of things before Mr. Pitt plugged
himself and his country in that wicked, abominable, la
visb, and melancholy war which had cost the country so
much since 1733. Instead of angmenting the provision
which had been made, he had thought of adopting a sys-
tem of greater economy than that of 1786. He wished
to show bow this case stood, by referring to the actual
expense of different periods. He mast remark, that the
Noble Earl when asked whether any saving bad been ef-
fected on the third chino,' the Civil List, had answered
with great prudence, that he would noj say what saving
had been made,or whether there was any, hut if there were
any, it had been carried to the Consolidated Fund. This
was only telling them, that if there were any, he had
not been so imprudent as to disobey the law of the land;
Mat bad dealt withuoith saving as he was eajoined to do
by law. He hoped after this answer had been given to
his Noble Friend by the First Lord of the Treasury at a
time whom be was anxious to bring all the savings which
had been made before that House—be hoped it would
not be thought uncandid in him (Lord (Iollsod) to as-
sess* shot se savings had in this instance been made.
The Noble Earl bad left one great collateral part of this
question wholly unnotieed—the mildew and half-pay
last. Me believed he bad dose eis, becalm ha felt this
to he a very weak part of his case. Me. Pitt's estimate
Of the whole expense thus to be incurred, including con-
suls in 1786, being a time of peace when there were
many inferior Governments in 13erope, who were not
lees independent than those with whom we were con-
nected at the present day, his estimate of the whole ex-
pease of salaries was 70.8521. In 1904, after going
deeply lase the French revolutionary war, he estimated
the exposes which onght to be thus incurred in time of
peace, at 112,000(. From the estimate of 1816, it would
be found the actual expense was then 174,0001. 0,
but then, it had bees assumed that this charge would
be thrown ors the country, as tic situation to
which such Counts were attached would ba filled up
by those who!were on the half-pay list, and receiving
money for other services from the country. bit
the IGLU-pay and Pension List had not been kept down by
this arrangement, as in 1816, compared with what it was
in 1804 it had increased 130 per cent. and compared
with what it was in 17136, the increase which had taken
place amounted to 350 per eeet. That it was fitting an
increased expense should be borne in some cases he ad-
mitted. lie agreed that it was perfectly proper to se-
cure to the servants of the country abroad from suffering
by the exchanges so that they might know the actual
amount of their salaries. lie then came to the changes
which had been made with respect to our ernhassiu. in
consequence of the modern Continental arrangements.
The Noble Earl had spoken of Switzerland as being en-
titled to greater respect than had been thought due to
her formerly. He had told them of the geographical
situation of Switzerland, surrounded as she was by
France, by Italy, and Germaly. When they were told
this, it was impossible to refrain from the remark that
Switzerland was surrounded by the same countries, in
former times when the expense incurred nu account of
the resident there was but 2601. instead of its present
amount, 4,9001. or 5,1:001.. lie conld not ray which. It
ivas true that certain Princes had been elevated and ag-
grandised who did not formerly claim such titles as now
belonged to them. Electors had been made Kings, and
we had nothing to do with mean dirty Republics, who,
however, in the time of Sir It. IValpole, and after his
time had cocdoeted their affairs with as lunch crei:it and
success as they had been conducted with by tli 43 who
bad succeeded theta. Up to 1793, the expense of our
resident in Switzerland was but 250/.. and Switz..; land,
he contended, was quite as important then to this
country as she had been lore. In 1793, the geogra-
phical situation of Switzerland remained the same, but
leer political situation was ninth changed, and Mr. Pitt
very properly thought it right to send a person
there of higher rank than the former resident, and one I
who was mote in the confidence of Government. An-
other person was according.). sent, with a salary of one I
Musical pounds. Thus it remained till a time of pear.,
arrived and all necessity of employing an active agent
had ceased, when the salary was raised forsooth to
4,9001. or 5.300/. He would now look to Geruutuv.
There our expenses were more than doubled. The poll-
' (teal situation of Germany was much changed. Not-
, withstanding our prodigious love for the House of ins
tria, he could not see why, to use an homely phrase, sue
was to be regarded as • "greater card" for Englaed
than she had formerly been. Formerly, we hail sin 111. IN•
shwas in Germany; how we hid seven ; yet the powers
with whom we were connected were nut more uume-
eons, but were, on the contrary. fewer than they were.
There were higher titles; hut, it a petty German l'rinee
raised himself from the rank of a Ntargrave to that of
an Elector, or from being an Elector or Duke became a
King, it was hard that the people of this country should
have to pay their servants more on that accuunt. In

tire six slimiest@
ployed es honest
ever served their
ployed elsewhere
The sum total •
was 16,5501.
been doubled
doubled; it new.
would pet it to the t
elude that them was
be disapproved
respect to the 7
!icy advocated
being opposed
of Sir William
genet yet bein
to support it, he
for sending an en
that existed for lot
reason fur Isis indig
that their me
every shilling - '
lag the name
oologium on his ,
net to the anginente
that then weru r-
bassailor at Pgrit
.odors elsewhere.
Noce should be
lersisbed no reason
loasadors and• -
Is noticing the
he complained
theirs extraordil
resontries. He t
made in this respect.
pared the expense inc
ries in their diplomacy.
the relations of the United
from that of England,
might be supposed U.
whole world would r
by this roost ry for
however, be found
alone cost the
2,0001. the total
:states in that year,
this. He would
well answer such
of :heir Lordshi'
nis:er on other t
this proved that
I ries, but he thong
lavish expenditure
Country. obeli
wilted in theit
and 350 per cent.
our expenses f
fold the amout
Adverting to th.
of oar commanders,
of Russia and Prost
war, they had come
ter., could offer,
sition from war
try—of the evil
theories since
evils which 0
leagues had 1.
peace was then
of happiness.
been pursued
wards our ancient
demised is bitter'
a species of mil
the lots she l•
of that loan,
to pay the expenses
one quarter. Lor'
part of Europa.
the odious 0 went

the grouted.
whether it was
should tidal«
wish to see this
and had therefore
where interfeteoce
a man, he sincerell
mote when that
Lord ELLEN.
moved for would ,
vestigation which
'rheum papers
charges in 1791
they did not sh _-atingencies of presents, ,
and various other incidental expenses, which formed ,o
large an item in the amount of the expenditure of fo-
reign sliuisters, that it was equal to the salary done.
If the real auto charged for foreign Minister, was sot
now greater than in 1792, yet he thought the clanged
circumstances between the two periods would eve' in-
tify a considerable allowance in addition. Oat of Lao
changes was the depreciation in the value of mosey, is
consequence of the circulation of paper. Foreign3ll-
- were subject to various expenses which required
a considerable revenue to meet them. It (reread,
happ-ned that five or Si Tentlemen accomp wird the
Embassy and establishaPthemselves in the Losus of
the Ambassadors. The Noble Baron, in reading the
items of 1815 and 1816, forgot to observe one circuit-
stance by which this country gained no small sating. it
consequence of the Noble Marques', who was then our
Minister to the Congress of Vienna, having signed all
the treaties alone, while all the other Powers bad several
Plenipotentiaries who signed them, and received taco
the usual present of IMO/. on the signing every Treaty.
The Noble Lord then proceeded to detail the away ad-
vantages that might be gained by affordieK liberal alba-
&aces to those on foreign Eiuh.,ssies. Expeuditure i
.diplomacy appeared to him to be information—expendi.•
tore in diplomacy was despatch of business, and tech:-
tated the acquiring those resolts which the Govtroment
at home were most anxious to obtain. Expenditure in
,diptomacy stood in the place of secret service money;
sod to cot down the allowance would he to deprive them
of the enemas of associating is ith those ci-cir,' and
Whining persons of that from whom :5e
aary. iaforusatioo could be pro. med. If the fereiga
eateston be curtailed in i,s expenditure, Gorcrzment
would he driven to the alteriou lee of gis;eg them secret
service money for the pnrpo.e •.t o:oarning there emits
which Ministers at home n, i,r he anxious to Wile
With regard to the state of viewing is di'i:
he gave credit to those, ti, h• . their good poacj '1"
nine negocirtions, antwit1,;7..,,..;,,e the various and .:01;.
Meting interests of (HMI-en; 1.0 r., kept them in a gee
of amity, and Europe, a he: !he threats ..f War, sus
still at pe.ice.
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PLYMOUTH. MARCH l't3 —lt is io conremplaion to
throw an iron bridge &troy', the river Tamar, Irmo
Salfash. A plan, with a report of the I eao6ts
lihdi
to accrue from this stupendous a his laccu
submitted fur approval.

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formerly
7;:7=7:gnredaatebs
titudei;miltpuewvart *
id their coontry; mime of who. had as "
heel .
total which had bees paid un ' •
Of. It might be said by Mae, if this
fled what did it siknify r lint it eosin?:
it now asseenteel to 41,311 W. Stating
it to the he... if they bast net
they eras some excess in this class. Tlate
sin
roved of the course which bad been taken
the Netherlands, as being opposed to the
rated by the great men of fernier times
loosed to those principles which had the llu. D
Him Temple, King William, and prifte
Bc
tbeing eeterediuto this system, sod
t it, he admitted thatit furnished some ;Un-; -
ix an embassy. He regretted the
ed for looking into these expenses; Bud ,„„1
r his indignation against the Gottesman wl6
na had :nada it necessery to lootaa.
ling paid to the public servos's. Is Lumina!
one of Sir V. Stuart, be pronounced a warp
on his character and services. He olinted
augmentation of his allowance, and hesheaed
lo were reasons why the allowance to per AM.
✓t Paris hould be greater than that of Asil.4.
ewliere. He would rather the present &ilea.
lid be augmented than diminished: bat tys
no reason fur increasing the inemateof all Aih.
and of those connected with their nabassie,
log the general arrange:uruts of nor diploDiac;
tined that so many envoys and plenipsici.
traordinary should base ben sent to ildlevag
lie thought a very great saying night h
his respect. On a fernier occasion heing,a.
expense incurred by the United &Mese( Ana
eir diplomacy. Allowance was to be made fUt
anent the United States being very ditfereet
of England. Bot looking to the year 1,15, la
supposed that relations of America with tY6
rid would occasion an expense equally iseserei
mat ry for its diplomacy in Germany. It tre:l4,
be found that the mission of Lord Castlon/6
t the country 43,00 W.. which exeade4
,e total expense of the diplomacy of the Celia
that year.' Yet what adnntagewaspieed
would ask a Noble Friend of his Ma coal]
rer such a question—or be would ask say aft
ardsbips if he bad ever met an America M.
other than equal terms. He did sot say fiat
ad that we should imitate the system of Ate.
he thought it an approximation to proof that a
penditure had taken place on the part of fin
obeli it was seen that salaries bad been aup
their total amount Citt per cent. at One paws.
ter cent. at another; and when it trustee that
uses for diplomacy were three, four, or fire
amount of those incurred by other. mestrie.
g to the victories pined by the valour asd
meanders, and the visit paid by the Moneta
t and Prussia to this country at the cloud in
had come daubed over with all that senile d:1.
i offer, and then we bad not beard of the tret•
in war to peace which was to afflict the NOW
he evil of plenty, nor of any of the arnica
since invented to cover the real maws ofthwe
cla the measures of the Xoble Eal aid his Ca-
had brought npou the country. The robotic(
s then hailed as that which catered the retail
seas. Ile then ceasured the policy which had
'sued with respect to Italy, and especially ta-
x ancient ally the King of Ssniiaia, and con.
s bitter terms the conduct of Autzia, who Ly
of swindling and robbery, refined larva of
she had obtained from England. Oa mum
us, be believed, we should sever get milk
e expenses of oar Ambassador at twos for
ter. Looking at what was passing in maker
7..nrope, he could not but expreas a wish that
is O meat of Turkey might he bright is
lad. He eared sot whim* the blow am.
it was dealt by Hassle es by Greece, bet he
Ijoioe to loath that it was struck. He did sec
see this country espied I. a distant teatest,
therefor* no desire that she (bald idolise
terfetence was not absolutely °smeary, hat if
e sincerely hoped that the day was sot very te-
en that Power would be overthrown.
!:LLENBOROUGH observed, that the papers
I would not afford the opportusity of that la.
in which the Noble Lord sought to obtain.
spers now laid on the table, pninted est the
in 1791 for the salaries of the embassies, bet
not state the contingencies of presents, ball:,
tus other incidental expenses, which formed w
item in the amount of the expenditure of fo-
iuisters, that it was equal to the salary alone
al sum charged fur foreign Minister, was pot
ter than in 1792, yet he thought the cbaag, of
ince, between the two periods would eve' ire
isiderable allowance in addition. One of then
was the depreciation in the value of meaty, id
nee of the circulation of paper. Forev.3l4;•
ere subject to various expenses which lel=
enable revenue to inert thew. It freready
I that five or yentleneen accomptemi the.
, and establishoo•tbrniselves in the hawed
assadors. 'l'be Noble Baron, in ret!ing the
1813 and 1816, forgot to observe one c:retu.it•
°lie), this country gained no small sating, la
ace of the Noble Marques., who was thee oat
to the Congress of Vienna, having signed at
es alone, while all the other Powers Indoor:1
intiaries who signed them, and received eta
present of 1,0001. on the signing et cry Tresti
I. than ...... eo detail the awl Id'