The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-04-02 00:00:00

THE STATESMA,IV.

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humanity le the Hawes theattelgro. 'lbis was a n!••er'
tibial; ?tight to inept with the Maori Hate B:Adios of the
Ilhaae. The planter wet nut sit* Jo a $2l/46610* to afford
:he slave the comfort') of life. By ameliorating his site-
ation therefore, they conferred the greatest benefit opts
lie 4146* who depended opon.biut tor his daily support.
l'fie limi. tientiernan dwelt on the linpolity of the re-
strictions under width the Weit India Colonies' trade
laboured at present. He. remembered hie. Burke's ex-
pressiona, that they were to be tied, not strangled. He
would tie them. But.if this Bill or sow. such measure,
did not pass, they would inevitably be Imago( led. He
had known the worst consequences to follow in those
islands from the impolicy of many of our laws relating
to their trade. One of the greatest sources of evil to
the colonies was the law which prevented English ma-
nufactured goods to be exported from one island to an-
other. This was a mischief of such a nature as to call
loudly for redress, red therefore he hoped that a clause
would be introduced to remove so impoltnr a restriction.
Mr.slP. BUXTON contended, that as we had a mo-
nopoly of the market of the West Indian Colonies, we
were nor justified in admitting a competitor, as bad been
done of late, in permitting the importation of East
Indian sugar. He considered, however, that that guts-
tiou was not yet settled. as the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer had promised it should be relerred to a Committee.
With regard to that part of the question which con-
ceroed the carve, he begged to ob , that the great
principle by which they should be governed in legis-
Iraq. for them, was to make the adscriptii glebe the
foundation of all regulation. lle did nut know if the
House was aware of the light in which a slave teas beld
in the Colonies. It was none other than that of a 1
chattel. Ile might he sold from the home which gave
him birth, and which might be endeared to hbn hy all
the ties of the Dearest kindredship, to any ofthis4anat*s
of the old Colony, like any other utortaie pewporty.-e-
This, in his oinion. was most gross, room, lord
abominable injustice; and if they werew galled upon
to stake concessions to the &eaters called upon
thew to begin the work of einancipati , by establish.
ing as a principle the adscription to tale soil. There
were many other branches of the subject he should wish
to see fully considered. Amongst these were, the .1w
dicisl System and the Matrisge Regulations; bat be
would not at that time embarrass the consideration pf
the question before them with these theaters.
Mr. HUSKISSON thought his Right Hon. Frieid
(Mr. Robinson) was misinterpreted, when he was repre-
sented as coming forward with a measure for the ado-
salve advantagecobeha ante
-t1 the
t hi:tat:sent e , and
d discoveredc oloniss \de° most
statesman-like statestnan-like principles in the proposition of a measure
po
for the benefit of this country and of mankind in general,
and for the immediate relief of the colonies. Two oh-
jections had been raised tu the measure—one was the
slave.trade, and he was sure his Hon. Friend for Breather
would not suspect him of any wish to countenance that
abominable traffic. It certainly was most unfortunate
that that iniquitous trade was continued by foreign
countries; but he hoped his Hon. Friend would nut sup-
pose that his Majesty's Oovernment in this measure, as
well as all others, would neglect the consideration of the
import int interests involved in that question. His Hoe.
Friend would see that the direct operation of this mea-
sure would be to diminish the foreign Slave-trade. In
":e first place, whatever tended to benefit the master
lutist he equally beneficial to the slave. Besides that, by
throwing open the foreign markets to the produce of our
colonies, we should destroy the trade of America with
Cuba, aid the Brazils, so fertile in the propagation of
the Slave-trade. tot only was this expedient in policy,
ton it was due in justice; for as we by our regulations
had mainly contributed unintentionally to the over-pa
isolation and overproduction of the West-Indian Colo-
n e., we were bound to find a remedy for the evils con-
segment epos the surplus produce. nonage of the East
India sugar, wherein we deprive their colonies of their
accustomed demand, made an irresistible claim to a re-
laxation of restrictions. it had bean the ancient, bat
mistakes policy of this rountry. to look at the Welt In-
dian Colonies as a moans only of trading with Africa for
slaves. Justice and relights had dictated the cessation
of this policy; but the consequence of it was, the evils
of over-population he bad mentioned. As we, therefore,
bad been the means of promoting this by Ise:roles, trea-
ties, and many sacrifices, it was incumbent on us now
consider the means of administering with the same
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relief. There were so doubt many other important mat-
ters to consider coutettted with the subject as mentioned
by the Hon Member opposite (Mr. Buxton) but this
was not the time. They might be of great interest, but
when they were granting a boon to the colonies fur the
benefit also of the mother conatry, and the slaves, they
could not consistently, with the interests of all parties
admit of the delay which would accrue from a mixing op
with it of questions rely important, nay, delicate anddif-
ficult to settle.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. PLUMER, congratulated the House on the dis-
position shown to afford relief to the distressed Colonists.
Mr. EVANS thought that this was a favourable op-
portunity fur denaanaing of the Colonial Legislature the
regulation of the Slave-trade, when we were granting
them this measure.

Mr. ROBINSON said, the particular ports to be
opened to traders would be specified in the Bill, with
power to the King in Council to extend the privilege;
and Ott for the better security against illicit importa-
tion of slaves, those ports would be selected where there
was an establishment of Custom-house officers.
31r. W. SMITH said it was the first time he had heard
it stated that we had cherished ow West Indian Colonies
in order to encourage the Slave Trade. He bad always
Wore thought we had encourved the African Slave
Trade for the purpose of colonizing our West Indian
possessions. He thought the property of those colonies
Was in a state of great depression ; but he could not un-
derstand that there was any such hurry for the passing
of this measure that otherimportant arrangements could
not be considered and i. chided in it. He would not,
however, throw any impediment in the way.
Mr. HUSKISSON explained.
Mr. PHILLIPS said be hoped that the consideration
of uu one or more individual interests of this country
would he permitted to interfere nith a measure silica,
was consistent with the soundest principles of commer-
cial policy and justice. lie wu convinced that by the
operation of this measure a stop might be put to the
continuance of the slave trade.

Mr. BRIGHT was of UpTuion that Canada ought to
have the advantage of the proposed or . It was
unwise to throw difficulties iu the way of this measure,
which was calculated to give a blow to the remains of
the slave trade, and by the progression of civilization
to confer the highest benefits on the Slaves of the West
India Colonies.—(llear.)
After a few words from Mr. BUTTEIWORTN, that were
not distinctly audible in the gallery, the resolutions
were agreed• to.
The house resumed, and Mr. Brogden obtained leave
to bring in the Bills ordered by the Committee.

• grants were t4erijinovedomisaool44 10-
nfrerinfew remerks from Mr. HUGH! sad Mr. Bennat,jussi
ittPer Hon. 1116inbers:—
For seleries to officers of the Court of the Ex. •
chequer
Fur salaries to the Commissioners of the lasol-
• seat Debtors' Court, Cleats, and contingent d-
iseases
For salaries granted to certain Professors of the
Universities of Oxford, fur rradiug Lectures I
tbepresent year
For expenses of the House of Lords aid Coo-

mons
For salaries and allowances to the ollears of the
Houses of Lords and Commons
To defray extraordinary charges in the depart-
ment 01 the Lord Chamberlain. for furniture

supplied to both Douses of Parliamedt........
To defray the ',poises of certain Colonial ser-
vices brought to the miscellaneous Estimates
from the Army Estimates..
For Printing Acts of Perihelion
For Printing votes of the Douse of Commons....
To make good a deficiency in the grant for the
same purpose last year.
For the relief of American Loyalists. .....
For maintaining and cue/Wine Criminal Lunatics
For the usual Allowances for Dissenting !Uinta-
ters,Puor French Protestants, Refugees, Clergy,

and Laity
For repairs of }leery the Seventh's Chapel
T. corer the Deficiency of the Omit for MS,
for Supplementary Charge on account of Print-
ing done by Order of the Hoes*
To defray the c'.arge of Printing Bilis, Acts of
Parliament, and other Papers during the pre-

sent Session.
To cover the Deficiency of the Grant for Weil. on
account of Printing done for both Houses of
Parliament
To cover the Delicieney in the Grant for MI,
Bills, Reports, and other papers, by Order of
the House of Commons .. 10.
For Printing in the present Session
To cover the expense of Printing the 77th vol. of
the Journals of that House, being for the pre-
sent Session 1.71
On a Grant being unwed for Foreign and other Seep
Services, of 111,000/..

Mr. HIIME wished to know why so large a soot was
wanted for *nen a purpose, which could sot he a good
our. It was putting money into the bands of Ministers,
which might be turned to a bad purpose.

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY conceived it was
an Irish proposition to call for the manner in whir'
every suti. for secret service had been disposed
This, however, he had no hesitation to say, that a great
part of this expense arose oat of circumstances armlet
from the war.
Mr. HUME maintained, that so large a au m u 40,000/.
could not be wanted fur Secret Service. Ministers had
already misapplied a great part of this money in
fraying the expenses of the proceedings against
late Queen, which wu a purpose conteuylated
the Act.

The hfarquess of LONDONDERRY said, when th.)
pruceediog was carried on abroad, it caws under .
description of Secret Service.

Mr. MOIIHOUSII contended, that an account should
ise given of the application of this large sum, and he
sada not ww why any of the money of this country
illbsedd be employed in bribing persons at foreign Courts.

Mr. ARBUTHNOT said, a less sum hail been volt
last year for this service, because a considerable sui
had remained in band from the vote of the precetli.
year.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
On a Resolution for granting 22,0001. for makii
geed the deficiencies in the Fee Fund of the °dices
the Treasury-and ;he Secretaries of State, a short con-
versation took place, in which Mr. flume, the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer, Mr. Arbuthnot, Dlr. Ware, Mr
Secretary Peel, and Mr. Banker participated. Eventu-
ally the Resolution was agreed W.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT next moved a Resolution ,
emoting 79,794!. for the expense of Messengers in the
Offices of the Lord Chamberlain, the Secretaries
State, &v.
UME considered the grant too large; and par-
calarly objected to the 30,00111. fur the expense of Mes-
srs in use Office of the Secretary of State for Fe

The Marquess of LONDONDERRY stated that there
was considerable inter:mune between this country ae
foreign ::ourts, which rendered the expense for courtei
to which the it • 44 ble Gentleman bad alluded, indis
plausible.
After a few words from Mr. Secretary Peen.
Mr. BZNNST, who contended that our home, foreigt
and colonial service would be equally well performed at
a reduced expense, moved, as an Amendment, to subeti•
lute the sum of 6,1,7941. fur that of 76.7941.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER supported
the original proposition.
Mr. HUME wished to know why so large a charge
was made for the 31ristoarrs of the Home Office?
Mr. HOULOURN replied, that a part of the chars.
consisted of the regular wages of the Messengers; and
that iu curs of Reprieves, &c. it was always considered
more safe to send Special Messengers.
On a division there appeared—
For the Amendment 19—Against it 67—Majority 48.
The original Resolution mu then agreed to.

The next Resolution was, that a sum not exceedh
7,6911. 6s. 24. should be gianted to his Majesty to
fray the alio minces, compensation., and superannua-
tion, to persons formerly employed in public ofliees,
according to an Act passed in the 50th year of his late
Majesty.

Mr. HUME observed, that the House had been given
to understand that all charges to Consuls were included
in the third class. but the present Estimate contained
an allowance to three retired Consuls. He would there-
fore move that the amount be reduced to the sum -
e,701L

Lord LONDONDERRY said, that the effect of agree
log to the Amendment would be to withdraw from
three aged Gentlemen the provision which Govern-
ment bad felt it their duty to make fur them in conside-
ration of their services. One of these was SO yeais c.`
age, and had served forty years ; another tai, and had
served for the same period ; and a third 60, and be
d thirty Fears.
Mr. lit:3lL said, he did not object to paying them.
but to paying them in this way, alien provision ought
to be made fur them ander the head of the Third Class.

After a few words from Mr. Arbuthnot, Dr. Phi...
more, and Mr. Rennet, the Atuendotrut was negatived,
and the original motion agreed to.
The following Resolutions were then agreed to, wii
out any amendment.
22,1761. to discharge the expense of the Civil Esta-
blishment of Sierra Leone.

13,3171. N. 64. to discharge the expense of the Cii
Establishment of New South Wales.

6,480/. 10s. fur the Civil Establishment of Newfound
land.

3,5201. for the Civil Establishment of Prince EJward'
Island

6,7574 10s. far the Civil EstAblishment of New Bruns-
wick.

14.0.551.17,. 6J. fur the Civil Establishment of Nova
Scotia.

11,9921. 12s. for the Ciril Establishment of Canada.
Mr. HUME said with respect to the lest rote, he shush.
not object to it this year; but he would next year oppa•e
the passing of any grant to Canada.