The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-05-07 00:00:00

r could state whits the sebject would be brought cc .?
Mr. WALLACE could Dot then name the time.
1 IF Sir W. CURTIS set forth the imporiance of Frigid-
lag our diking interest, and considered this question
of mou4nisortance than all the other questions which
(14E0,1111re attention pet together.
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AIM WWI ••••wroorpra•••••
Mr. ELLAcs wan surprised that-the harbour ditties
wee. not etatecid.!.. He *mid defy the navigation of the
consay to sada* 'ugh charger machitinger. Alt wise-
dual slel jeoposhtem had been baste* finned la the
maw thottion for altering them. Nb pointed
oat as Vableits Worthy of attention the charges thrown
oa the tapping fat cantors gad counter fees, avid
hops/Vibe Navigation Dawirwere so altered, that rare
• wield belikriPtliarou ship. shotlif he as cheaply na-
vigated as ciriltostatwes Wonki permit.
A• further coneirsetidn theft arose, in which Sir I.
Canto, Demeriel Oascorwe, Mt. Lamont., Mr. MAN.
nva'r, off. Etats, Sir W. Cotartmer, Sir 51: W. Kin,
are, and Mi..Wayseca participated, as to the manner
in the illll now is the Howse should he proceeded'
with. it witwpreikkied that it shook! he read a second
tiousittfar'mcf, stet the doh de taken as tbo motion for
the . bir's leaving the Chair. Eventually an nadir-
ata iaginweitiair to that the direassina alial4l brisket
on the Report.— The Petitios was ordered to lie on the
table.
Thep Navigation Act 'Amendment RIR was theta, on.l
the motion of Mr. We t. Lace, read S. sonead• time pro
firms, and committed for townorrow, whew it was
agreed to fix the day for reeelvfmg the Report.
The Importatioo of Hoods' Repeal Ball was read a
nomad aim*, awl ordered to he committed to-morrow.
The Wardwassiwg Hoods' Rill was read a second time,
and comilikwet for to-morrow.
Lord ELIRINGTON presented *Petition from certain
Oonseits and Occupiers of Land in Holmsworthy, in •; e
county of Devon. complaining of Agricultural blares*,
awl uscribiog the same to excessive taxation, awl the
pressure of the poor's rates. The petition was signed
in sena bemired and ninety-two persons, and be be-
lieved It to express the sentiments of the majority of the
TPONNISIry of the county.
The Petitiou was ordered to he printed.
Sir IV. MORMON presented a PIIIINOO !toms tha Ship.
owners of Aberdeen against the Navigation Laws
Amendment Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table.
SCOTCH DISTILLATION.
Captain WEIIVSS presented a Petition from two
hawked Partners in the county of Fife, complaining of
• Agricultural Distress, and suggesting that if encourage-
ment were given to an increased distillation from barley,
flee haudred quartets might be annually consumed more'
this were called for at present, to the exclusion of fo-
nips spirits new imported.
Sir R. reitticsus supported the prayer of the Pe-
tition. and had no doubt if the Scotch distiller were
enabled to snooty the English and the Foreign market,
that the annual consumption of barley would be in-'
creased by not left titan 51W),000 quarters.
Lord A. HAMILTON said he lead that day received
two Petitions on the same *object, and nearly to the
same purpose as that before the house.
The CHANCELL OR of the EXCHEQUER had no
intention of opposing the present Petitions, or indeed
any Petitino complaining of a grievance. Ile bad no
inclination to enter into • debate on this swisject at the
present moment, bet he must remark, that the cue was
oYentateti 'rhea Scotland was represented to he wholly
',winded from the English market. He would not say
the present system might ant be improved, but this
t formed an important branch of an inquiry now
• - The report of those to whom the inquiry was
mantled. would possible determine bow far the Scotch
fin (fern coati be released from the restraints of which
they complained, without injury to the revenue, and giv-
ing dee protection to the fair trader. Were other toes-
sores adopted, the Distillers might perhaps consume
more barley, but he would rather that a larger demand
should be created by the increased consomptiott of beer
than by that of spirits, which contributed little w nou-
riib yid 'support, hot which. in some respects, were in-
-soitele Inkrbiev‘ms in their operation.
Mr. H. HI,AIII said, it was not the object of the Pe-
titioners to increase tbe consumption of spirit' generally,
hot to substitate ,English spirits for foreign spirits,
which were row consumed.
The Petition was ordered to lie on the table.

11111,CRLLANCOUS.
Sir E. KNATCHISULL presented three petitions from
owners and occupiers of land, in the county of Kent,
complaining of Agricultural Distress.—Ottirred to. lit'
on the table.
Two petitions were presented from certain owners and
occupiers of land in the county of Warwiek, on the soh.
ject of Agricultural Distress, and praying relief. —Order- 11
ed to he on the table.
Mr. PARES presented a petition from certain persons
of the Unitarian persuasion, praying for an ulteratiue
of the Meeting, Act.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. ill AULE presented a petition from certain ownere
and occupied* of land, and growers of barley in the
county of Kincardine, complaining of Agricultural His-'
tress.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a petition from the free-
holders, comutissioners, and others, in the county of For-
far, praying that the case of the Scotch distillers
may be taken ittto consideration.—Ordered to lie on
the table. •
Sir T. LEI'IIIIIIIIODE presented a petition from cer-
tain Owners and Occupiers of Land in the counties of
Somerset and Gloucester, on the subject of Agricultural
Distress. • They complained that none of the Resolutions
which haul been brought forward seemed like to supply
an adequate remedy, hut in particular they were filled
with alarm by those submitted to. the House by the Hon.
Plember for Portarlington. That Hun. Member hr con-
sidered was rather too bard on those alio, like him (Sir
T.), favoured a high protecting duty on foreign earn,
when be contended that they had no reason for makitig
suet, a demand. He (Sir T. Lethbridge), when aolvo-
eating that system for which he felt it to be his duty to
contend, had given his reasons for so doing, and these,
if not satisfactory to the Hon. Member for Portarling-
ion, were satisfactory to his own mind. 'Clue Moo. lien-
10moms, the Member for Portarlington, might be almost
a God of Reason, lout remembering' the establishment
of 1:1e tio.tdess of Reason in another country, and the
n. ,ad been ' by

On finishing it in 111117 he applied les a lisessse
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with so better seam. le 1519 s fiisdktft(t• use Um '
r titiower own word.) "that he had est interest one
MP tlO Magistrates le woo. a Reeser, he treated
with a-paddies* of the dame of Hamm then eosins(
norsomtheY,Owl dealing with Barsky mid Lie. fee t
sal# *far Won" The-beaseves old. sad"o see
had Now. Odle beassestaveyed to him. node na
&treed hisearesem to Trona; Haohere. and Co.. thus a
'Merin Was greeted firth* Immo ne Peakissiserano
domed Wailing till 405 hoses bed boo eneetnio Whew
hr *lit another ilissefore. poiltile-heette• as remote me
poesibile front throne whieb bed- bees licence* for
Brows. In 1921: he 'inactive a house for Lis new
nee, but it wae.tehtseil. hi the same year a biota
was built on a castigates, spot of rood. Very few
basses were near it, bet on this Wag let to the...gni-
aide thewerrehe bad already mentiewed, a tient* had
been granted for this also. He (Mr. linsidsee.).hol
suggested to the Pettilealew that if he bad sestelord aia
inlary, from impropergoudiet soothe part of the ifdir
states, be had his remedies its a tkoersof .law. This 4
bad stated a fortnight ago, et the Petitioner bail re-
turned to him within these few days. and told him that
.a professional man whom be bad osmenked had informed
him that be bad no legal redeems* hope for. The Pe-
titioner stated that the how, which he had held at a
loss for three years, through no. getting it Hemmed. and
whirl he badge* to Brew. foe 1,1901. ea beieg N-
eenerd, had become Werth 3,0001,. witch son Mr. Brown
might have got for it had he boa disposed to take it. It
was clear, If these facts could he substantiated. that
much inconvenience •was sanitised under the roan
system. If the metropolis was divided into disteiets lag
the supply of beer, as it bad boa by eensia gettg:
for the supply of that which woof still groan,
mime to the public—water, it was swooseary rode sinie-
thing to correct the evil. If, too, the gala* of a betas
wss affected in the way described by the met of • li-
cence, the subject would be entitled to einem consider-
ation. But be was aware that nney difficulties were in
the way of a change of system. The antes (*yin the
various ways in which the same law applied umisw4Wsm
eat circumstances. The facts which Mimi Wooed be
fore the house he stated on the authority of the Ppd.
boner, having no personal knowledge on the **Wet
himself. Seeing an Hon. Headsman in his place, who
bad stated a short time beck that the time far leweriag
the beer would soon arrive, be begged to ask if It were
now at hand? The duty on malt having ceased, if it had
not yet arrived, means must be taken to hasten it ; and
be thought it right to remind the Hon. Gentleman that
*is was the third time of asking.
I .111 r. F. BUXTON said he concurred with the Right
Neaourabic Gentleman that if the facts of this retains
were substantiated, there was a strong case made eat
satthe Magistrates. He had to thank the Right
nide Headman for allowing bias to see the peti-
*afore it was presented, u it gave hint an applies'.
of collecting some facts which would completely
ate the averments of the petitioaer. le Mae dot
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e, he stated that be built the public house is 1917,
in the saws year applied for a licence. New it was
to he wondered that the Magistrates refined it this
year, as they certainly were warranted it consisloing
the applieatiee as premature. He aloptßed again ems
year, but his ease was no sereageratise•Abellitk alllef
houses were undoubtedly built. yet they were entirety
enteranted. Bat the. as the third year Hsi Santee was
greeted. Now, up to this time. he canter sled, the Ma-
gistrates were strictly right in their seedest. Bet then
it remained to clear them from the horstatioa afestrimpt
motives—this, he had some hope, be amid easily do.
It was said that Brown obtained a Bence. because he
transferred himself from Barclay and Co. to Trona
and Hanbory. Now it was clear if these latter Heade-
men used any influence, that they would use it only for
their own good ; but what was the case here ?—that
Browe's was an entirely free house. Besides, every one
acquainted with the trade woe aware, that nothing was
more common than this transferring from one brewer to
another. So far then the Magistrates were sequined
as to the first part of the ease. Hut what did the peti-
tioner do afterwards? instead of being disheartened,
he proceeded to build two houses more. To the first of
these, however, there was an objection, for it was ally
200 yards from the first house, it was in the same street,
and it was petitioned• against by the penes who first.
got his licence. The other was only 150 yards off bat
the House arbicit Spradley built. who obtained the lit
fence, was 320 yards distant, and not in the same street.
It was said that this house was sold to Trauma aid
lianburv, but this was not true, for he (Mr. Buxton) bpd
in his band, Spradley's lease. So far then, he trusted.
he hal defended the 3lagistrates with success from the
charge of corrupt motives. To come thee to the qino.
Lion of the Right Hon. Gentleman respecting a fail IS
the price of beer. It was very true that be (Mr.lea-
ton) pledged himself to state the time when a fall might
be made, though he did so without consulting the otter
• brewers of the Metropolis. What he then said was,
that when the stock of malt io the brewers' hand,
which hail paid the full duty was consumed, they would
then lower the prier of beer. The late reduction of the
malt tax would only amount to a farthing in the pot,
though the public expected the beer to be reduced a
halfpenny. But the reductions of ISIS and 1519 were
to he also taken into account. Ile (Mr. B.) had never
said, that the price of beer should not be redeem), for
he admitted it would be outrageous to expect that the
ashy effect of the reduction of the omit tax, would.
to put money in the brewers' pockets. With regard to:
the question, he would answer the Bight Hon. Gest.
that the time hail come for reducing the price of beer,
which was lowered a half-penny a pot, though the
Government reduction amounted only to a fartling.—
Having thus said so moth fur himself, it remained to him
to say a word on behalf of the brewers generally. A
very general • impression prevailed in this House, that
the greater part of the public-huuses were in the hands
of the brewers. This was not true. He had taken the
tremble to Mal:tont an account of the number of house.
which he had the honour to serve. and gentlemen would
A charge was not very correct. He
in all 76d persons, of whom 105
of this number 49 houses belonged
22 were conked by loans, but
J all free and independent. It was
meil, however, that he was now-defend-
system, of which, is truth, he was no,
'e appealed to the Hon. Member for
Rennet), if lee bad not given hien all;
Lie power, ia and out of the bione.,
Isis Bill.. Ile hail crest suggested*.
• with a view. completcy to rut .sill,
possibility. of . Laving a. share in all
would of course iaterrito the free-
' would be felt still-mem in the
It was, however, of so much ho-
e owo part, he was ready to submit
order te get rid erns* abuses which
I. •daothar.objeetion hail hmeatart-
mtemsgth of beer. A Kalinin Admits;
truism the- same strength.new tint,
f uays. Now he (Mr. B.) hatbasho
, the strength aflame now mod tvieg
Hon.- would sea that theasidsia
advantage. He was able to oneeneirsgaiet

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her t0•a1.,, be ass not plispo..ll to seer the name of rea- found that he served if
son to carry him tops far. The names of other Members lieed in the country: of
who imp: Famine epl la —esoltitions were rertaitdv mentioned to him (Me. Huston),
in the Petition which he now presented t• but those the remainder were all
a hieb filled the Petitioners with most alarm were the.
not to be enderstomip, It
R.aulotions of the lion. Jleuriter for Portarlington. Ile ing . ~,,„.„, 'lent,
(Sir T. L.) was most perfectly of accord with the P 0 1,,
eti. admirer; and he ',pp,
fr:; boners when they declared it to he their conviction, that. Shrewsbury (3lr. Bella
uothittg short of a moat elficienl duty on the importation
i of every kiud of foreign produce could restore cods the assietance in his 1
wlem be !penlight in hilt
den. e and prosperity to the cultivators (lithe •toil. dame to be inserted. w
i The Petition was ordered to lie on the table. brewers 'from the post
• IPCHLICASS' LfeCNClig. publie•house. ,This tvo
( % Mr. MUSKISSON ball a petition to present, which, if dom of the trade, and
the party from wham it canoe had taken Isis advice, country than in sown.
would bare been banded over to some one more connect. , portancei that, for MI 4
) 'e l with the ptaee to which it referred; but as the peti- to the restriction, in ors!
• tsoner had persevered in requesting him to present it, he werecemplained of. •0
had thought it was his duty to bring it before the house: etk respecting theatre"
The Petitioner stated himself to hare built four or five halvah), that beer was
hundred boners near Mile-end, end in a pert where there it was in his younger ua
was no' pohtic-house. After a hundred or mare of these woe pains to eviepare t
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houses werelatithited. much inconvenience was felt it had been, and rite I
1. t from the want of a public-house, and the tenants-had to beer bad the advalgAge
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