The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-05-10 00:00:00

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might be exparted when it fell to Ca. The durum._
. , of they conk, not of course ruptruul. In the re-
solution of his. Hon Friend, it was proposed that warea,
• house man shonld be admitted at a lower price than
feeeigo. Oe that part of the subject lie differed from
...AM wile egreed with him in concurring with leislie.
ingettile Friend. The effect of such a regulation might
• bills obviate the iatroilectiou of foreign corn allege-
..;eiser is away eases.
• Mr. RICARDO Considered.the argument of the Rohl,
`,Lord to beat variance with some of his adrnistionl.
" Notwithstandieg what had been said of the property
eeiharked in agriceltoral pursuits. he doubted if it were
grookr than the dead capital of the manakicturisg in-
terest An Hon. and Learned I kutleinan had mid, that;
'almost the whole cost of agricultural produce Was made
, elo 0(40. He did not consider that a great . deal of
property ley dead in buildings, in seed in the ground.,
and other articies dianected- with the Idiom. of the far-
' me,. Rat thee the manufacturers had much capital'
laying 'load in machinery, and in the works which were'
rywessiiry to carry on their businesa„, The proportions '
of capital time employed he believed to be much greeter
thin had been suited, and thilrefore in legislating ot
this subject, he thought but little allowance ought to be
made ter the large capital claimed as being itOplued
exclusively in agricultural pursuits. The ken. shillings
duty oh imported corn, which lie was,disposed to allow,
VaP, in fact, more than could be given, strictly *tibiae(
;dm principles for which be had untended had
„, rropad that sum, considering the farmera to bear the
• ors rates, the county rates. and the tithes In fall. But
poor's rates' were also paid by the manufacturer, though
not in the same proportion as by • the agriceltorist. If
"Ise strictly kept to bia principle, Instead of On be should
. .' "have named but seven shillings. The difference betwer•
' seeen and tea shillings was at all events fully sufficient
to cover the difference between the situation of the sari-
rultutist and that of the manufacturer to which anus,*
. had been made. He would now notice what had fa 1
from the Hon. Member ter Corte Castle. He (
• Rankin) had talked inucli of !he wielom if their. an
tors. .Ikle (Mr. Ricardo) would admit tinitouet
' slid undoubtedly Possess great wisdom ; bat he did ,
hesir#itp to.say, that lit his opinion the preemie rue
than poasesiied all the wisdom of their propellors. a
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little more WO the hargain.—(Alaugh.)—Accordin
the principle for which that Hoe. lientlentss Oats
we ought, to rest exactly where we had been left by
anecdote, and in no instance attempt to get forward
ourselves. 'But the preseat geoerauon had proved t •
veleta capable of improving on what bad Iwo chipe„ '
their forefathers. They had invented sleeve-boats,
, lights. and fishily other things of great 'value and im
take,' acid *the therefore not to be vieWita as at all in
rior be thole who had lived before' them.' They OU ,
not therefore to say, because'llie nation had fieurj
in their nine, that nothing more could be dose' he '
now. The argunaint which the pun.. Hentlemme
psed'in tide case litikhtbe. Uplifted fo ' tooth" eh
He 'Might, say' tliat•but ' a keeeters ' had 'nit-S[llW I
that with that debt the della bad ffeeriskid;iall t .
fore it would be very surtipto attempt io attf
get ifil Wit. He might 'iterf satrutia 'as' / t ,
sill
hail ideally advawra: "• erg erg .4serde
• 006(1111 the tine ease II Will! other. • tatted" tillrfili• '1
tention of the house to the Situation in *Mete 'the 'blew
try would be placed, anal kite the lain which
• lailisailiq is the event of it war,•if it•ralbtid 'Owl
titles of perinea Root the soil for•the peepose oi. __
int the raw prodere. • An • Hon: fireieber lite
&gland was.beeneolcor'tms much •of to ogrimil
country. He might think that an agricultural or
was happier than a maotifarturlsig country, but •'—
, ploitraf•thle war iamb shallow* as colapiablieff'
man misiaimmilliartaitthatilo grew old. Natioas '
Weir iehthlellifielld-olii id ikil bill adividualo,•enti in
Waste wawareatittges 611hdie elfitteette," they "
oitnefecteverv. This use al natural steer* 'of i
sot mite it be pr coated in thecae's ofilughtuil, a
weelamilabeeseemiee to sat limiter to Aver greatness,
. . resolve against going tire/ant be the
miuusirs., 'lf that malaise was taken which is his
silnjelorto•be'takeo, the Indian would become 11';
o‘lttifeetutinei nation. list it would at the same ....._ _
rinierticelteral nation also. It was. impossible free
030agiawil not' tette a great ogricalturakeonotry. But 11,
-Vtied irk With to set halite to our growing geed ,
• 'lee shenld become richer' and more powerful; if
-• atoMed c•vditting ()entrees to owe own resources gybe
ageicailisee was concerned, and were contest to perchiee
• part of ebeleed from foreign oodyntries,oepplying therm
with theitorom modities, in which our manefacentiog
skill emitiletarsteexcel. But it had boon asked' bow
• was this to be done? Cosh, the•farsners tarn mans-
facturets and the ploughmen beetles mechanics? To
hear loch 'questions pet it might be supposed that it
wesirseontempllition art:intent chaste our system and,
immediately to throw open our ;sorts to receive the corn
• ferret ill phrteof the world.• Bat has any inch preposi-
tion bees *might Wrote ihe banana; Ho did sot feel
. tHathe'had coluiteeinetyl ant 'thing of the hied, when
he proposed that the farmer should enjoy a perfect ash-
• varrpoirtif the hems wilirket no to 70.. and it had been
adulated' thee 675. was's remunerating price, and when
• on knelt' wheat brought iota above PM., be wished to.
imposes dole-erns., which was- to be only reduced bY
one shilling der learter in each year till it came down
• to las:: thee to remain perninnent. When he recom-
mended the'ethiption of inch measures mild it with ins-
tics liOlniteitted to his that be wished to tarn the capital
lend( ths amenity from apricelture temansfaateres? That
this would be done there wares easel tis feat. • The very.
' difficulty of deing it offered Wilda* oecerity. that it,
4 could est be done. It had beeliested that kites impoe,
Ac *ibis more capital could be emplowed in the manaufam
»ries than was already so employed. Why, if such'
fi-eresti the ease, as it was Impossible tbr theyieopie of this
iseetry to buy corn from foreign countries but with
• their manafeetures, the agricultural interest could have
.•: nothing softer, and they had the best security against.
she apprehended evil that could by *ay possibility be ob-
tained. He however believed that if his resolutions
were carried, that gradually more capital would
be employed in oar snaonfactories, and it was
because this would-prove beatheial to all parties
that be wished to see these resolutions adopted. He
slid mot question the strives diameter of the existiog
distress, but all that he hod beard on the subject bad
• only served to confirm the view which he had
, originally taken of it. The Hon. Member fur Wiltshire
had said oe the preceding night, that a suppiroffseeige
corn could be obtained at Wis. per quarter. He (Mr.'.
• Ricardo) bad that morning received a tette; Pool, Me.
.• Holly, in which that Gentleman declared that ths•alckel
-.- which he had inentioDed ulna giving his evidence be..
- sere the Committee. was not the accidental price at
which it might be, got at $Ollllll particular .periodi butt
he had named what he knew to bu site remunerating
price. It was not by an accidental price but by the re-
- munerating price that their proceedings ought to he re-
gulated. With respectto the price at winch it might
be obtained at Memel in last January, Mr. Sony stated
that was not a port from which any cousiderable sup-
ply could be expected. Not above 20,111,10 gamer*
. could he obtained thence in a year. Now if sushi wire
I the case irith•reapect to this pries of Gee-and-twenty Ail-
liage—if it had ho hitter foot to stand upon than this,
it would be see, that It was utterly unworthy of the no-
- t;ee of that house. lie had now one objection to make
on what had fallen from a Noble Lord yesterday on dm
subject of the Resolutions coins into the Committee,
winch he stated to bare been carried almost without a
diuenting voice. lie (Mr. Ricardo) bail gone into that
Committee with precisely the same view which be now

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entiliNtlleste It4}utopian 'bat ttsilitdea4ttiferiat ir-'
self groaned under the creates; possible disttiim. and he
Jethalterefotatrall-diatiosed to .do any thing that could
hadole to relieve it now,' provided some .oecurit, were
given that they should return to a hetierityatenamt
tom Yor a time the Committee gore him roman
'o hope that they %mild not refuse macho pledges bet,
when they came to make their reportethey sew 'off how
tkwpoiwt, and would du nothing of the 'The con.
dithicial agrees:seat which he had previonslv Mule with
them was hone that mousest diseolved, anti' that being
dissolved the resolutions had no longer his concurrence
in their favour.' With respectua what hail been said by
the Hon. Member for Hertford as to the bias soppoted to
aet•on Air. Sally's Milli', he admitted that that respect-
Mae Gentleman might have some bias of the kind Im-
puted. but he begged of the Members of that' house if
they themselves were not I:kely to be in' souse degree
biassed in a similar way. He hoped they would bear la
mild that they were not now to legislate far themselves.
Inn with a view of promoting the welfare and happiness
of millions. And. doing this he begged of them also to
remember that no evil was greater then having (nod too
high in price, as that produced in a hundred ways the
most afflicting consequences. He "Was"imonislied at
what he bad heard from the Hon." Slasher for Essim.—
He considered the high price of them to, be a natter of
indifferencelf not of exultation. lthwislood. the price
of corn to los high, hut he. wiebect.it,to.im, obtained by
littleialtour. The higher the lower
the real priek,.the better iu his (Mr. Vesteetts)mpioiots.,
He (Mr. Itleardo) could agree with. the** lieutlsalaa
in thia..huhts• we* surprised when be •thase to the teat
toiled thoethe weald do nothing Ibis would immure then
at a low real price. He wished that we should
continue to grow our own cora, and only in very
!animals,. cases import from foreign cobatries. Acting
on thie plan. it was impossible for corn to be obtained
at a low real price, as that could only be accomplished
by purchasing it from other comities with our menu-
fa/lutes.
Mr. BENETT (Wiltshire) begged tocerrect the HOls.
Gentleman whe had Just art doge, tette what be bad
stated to be the price of corn abroad. He had 'net said
it coultiebe obtained for twenty•tive shillings the clear-
.
ter,. ercils documents, before bins, it appeared that it
cottabe percbased for 31s. and this was the price be
ha4,mcptsoood. Ile spoke at soave lased' in espial's.
41.1) 4.the• view which be bad taken of the question:,
and comtesded that while se mesh assisty was mask
.feetedewheop faith with the public realitor, that snort
aisglilleSlse takes not to breaic faith mitbillOsegiersi
,Itelftilititecdtelgrogrer of Eogland. •'" • • !
11,f vgl.3o9.Eftddici not consider thasltiiiritisent 'Ebro
51 eservedits be treated so heraldy silt-had been

'iiiijiitifelOy,themperiariee 'of .riipeging fire-
aml-tweety, year'. in the tit'emoratile'alid fatal year
174. /be there wu • tailors et. th bamutuaLitight
Hoo. Oietteraia, Who was &ripen' aequiriteif sritli trade
as most men, the law* boar. bad stated it to be hie
.L t 99 gliPPOkiatlid 'w f~lil)ab this eoeatry
aim !tore a 'aim* sotp se so . Thaeg
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„Nobs,filln was siff,ne anxious to,rekeve,
14e1 in "ilsnat, and .cets. qtlife' mill* rese• 11461,6'. to be. - -I
favourable to the agrimeTrpire e(zthe count than ;ban semen
1 tbeg,
_bad base„, reP"e4. I diat.he .! „.,.1;14 ieesstaf 1
M. seyottnaea QP lat.trt,lo,llteli ran..; e 111 1
.wept whiSh 11,:bid AO, with;., . I. te pima,. f '
corm at,
.9ilesa end tefber places.., hi apiditiaued wile
road to he coreact..„XdprotecAng duty wield in Mr.
jadgmestbe
.suiripiegt;,.ta meet the evil., He wished la'
system. to be edlptedrilisek should .kiiip the price .4r
eutigAteette velito.h, hy, sledding, supply of foreign
cacao when ;be prtce ems abet' ,80th ty,nold .prevent; it
frog Pith% iee,bigb withoutAll,y4,44o4t. unlimited
icePertation which might solo thsLegpcsltitre of the
eoentsy,,,,(tear.) It might be 41. it to hit os the
.weeps tif ;feed og this, but,shese melt esifigkrty isterest
,wat;st Mae, they onglit sot to be deterred be such coo:-
sidevidimesivesi makiag.the attempt. The Noble,Losil"
bed,leakelie price of cpru. at llsetxic was 3,2i': and
branght ere for .125., it; east would be des. From the-
mealy manner in which, the. Noble Mgr pea acted an
siloccasioui . be, was.hedio hope that if he proved leis
estiomte to be. wraag.„ltiwould make. souse alteration
in his respfutione. 'Chi Noble Lord hail formed his ris,:.
litneM,en,grais of thqfirst imality,.which would furnish
hot one-4tprth of the supply. mod which would sell in
qgland for,ds. moteithan the best thetcookl be raised
, this cqmdry. 'rba price of grain qf As second goa-
ta
'ty trims, oil ether parts(one excepted), which grain was
/vial to our best, gave an average pt . aljilkine AI-
Ileg timitrice which the Noble 3sOr4 _pal elseed- it
would thus be seen that the Noble Alai:Ones. on his own
sliewieg., had under-ratell the protecuol ishich the
landed interest of Englaiiii Might te'receive by five shil-
lings is the qoarver. Fiims the comparisons which he
(Mr. l'iiiien) had madeje found chit wheat of the first
quality might •be obtaiaedl at a pries which, when on
ship-board, averaged 294. and one-seventli ; corn of the
next quality averaged 2,35. sod six-saveuths. The price
of atift beet cora averaged st present 525. osestentla ; the
snood best averaged 43i. ned three-tenths, being a dif-
ference .of 23a. befits" go prices of the best wheat,
&ad Ws, between those. of the wheats eli nferiur quality.
Though 655. per quatter. if it coshd at all times be got.
week', be a teumogratiog price of wheat. since in some
year; it fell. to 'sos., be would ask if it was more than
fair to allow the English agricaltariet the belied of say
rise that niight take place op to 80s. To allow the ports
to open at 71.15. would be only to allow lain the chance of
an Olvaliee of ss, over the re remunerating price.
:while he was exposed to a lims of Iss. or More by itstill-
ing below it. Ile admitted that it was a misfortune for
Ilia country to have to pays higher price for corn than
was Raid in other parts, but this became necessary (roan
the situation is which the farmer bad beta placed by a
calamitous depreciatida of the currency. and the raisiog
of enormous taxes by paeans of that currency which
were still to be mid new the standard was restored.
He aborted that cora was cheapest when its ex-
portation had been encouraged. and argued diet
the presest distress was not the result of the farm-
er's fully, bat sprung ham sillier causes than overpro-
duction. The farmer would be content to sell his corn
at a low price if enabled to do so. Let the Ministers
then take 124 per rent. from the incomes of all connect-
ed nith the liovertimmt, from the highest In the lowest,
and then let them call on the public creditor to make a

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' egeltokleittbeAneral good, attilothe tu& ittersoff
ten* he content to do so at any extent to which the
tiedlowlarts were Xi Ifv; Tilt Lib% bleuttoffin
,gortarlineton had said the capital sunk in agriculture
Was tot treater than :that employed by the inenufac-
Jnrer‘ Bat there was oar petit whick hi forget. Tb.e
manufacturer might turn his four, five, or six times in
the coarse of a year, while the poor ogriceltnria could
then his ketoses. Since the pawing of the Cora Bits.
5,000,11110 quarters of grain had been itirporteil. of wblek
10311U,000 were wheel. In 1819 then wet* 1,80140110, et
he would say 1,41011,900 quarters of foreigo wheat in the
cowry. It we communed Otill,looo of them, it was as
much se we did, and consequently from 5 to 9110.0110
quarters had been thrown on the harvest of that year
when Dot a single bushel was wanted. The pressure
of this had been felt—heavily felt ever since. He
strongly enforced the importaneg of a plan like that
which be bed eeffgesled, which would give the public
tin benefit of an adequate supply, yet protect the land-
ed interest from that ruinous inundation which bad
heretofore been experienced. He called upon the Noble
Marquess to state whether his calculation bad not been
made on the price of the best grain, which could only
beregarded as one-fourth of the supply, instead of pier-
lag it as be mightto place it on that with tlpi other
three-fourths of inferior corn. , If the Noble Lord said
his (Br. Ciarwen'a) plea could arsosemed, ha thee call-
ed won hiss to correct the error which hs bad poloted
out, sad give the landed Interest that protection to
wbiti, on the showing of the Noble Marquess himself,
they were clearly entitled. He spoke earnestly on this
reti*l. feeling as he did that it levolred the comfort
sod well-being of half a million of persons who were
giant those who had most contributed to make this
eoantry the admiration of the world. Withoat due pro-
iection these must become peepers and the laud must go
out of cultivation. Some of the most productive land
too wield go out of cultivation even in that county
which bad been so well characterised by old Lady
Townsend, who being asked what was the most remark.
able thlog she bad seen in Norfolk, replied the wort extra.
ordinary sight was two rabbits fighting for'one blade of
glass.—(A laugh).—He hoped the Noble Lord would
extend lilaresolutions if be did 'pothiog else. He thought
if foreign corn were admitted without restrictien, a duty
of 10s. might to be attached to it Nutria: to 90s. From
Mao 100 s. a duty of Ss. should attach, bnt the price
meld never rise se high. All be wished for was that
ptieselleu genii be lorded to the fanastrosi security
le Viellable. • . • 1.41
' . Mr. 81.111.1t414 wee disposed to prefli: the plan of
the ;Coble liarepleee; which had been proposed in the
Committee, and afterwards withdrawn. If a motion
were made to raise the protecting duty !acorn imported
for bows consumption from IA to AS shillings, it should
haws his vote. An Hom thentleman oppositswas willing
to
protect the landed interest to the amount of the taxi
'doe they-sesta/sad. But as to 'Aid oseitidelbey were
likely to differ. It had beer saittheissequanseseAte
tee pier cent. This caleidatioe he dllfsMlhl
Re was led to this conclusion by an
mat put iota his baud, which at fee* Mnotat Of
the poor rates in men.ials la Somerset* #kerr af '
Ireton periods witka par
the lest *o4lnAl* ample'
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Ai. Member for CNisaberland
- -tnii-eisiila,
agia to be the 'motet of the protecting duty, p
dig firoi ids (Lord Londonderry's) statement Ile
lillth°:,.imMPoCillirtsberof 1811j,-
Ike.
Ike. there was reason to expect that dim" must be a
glut of corn en the Continent. and Hint it the ports ware
vaned, the imports would greatly. upped our warms.
.should importation Weems aeoessory. As to the Hon.
II maber's leading argument; that respenneg the amount
of duty. he wished to *tart frown thelmoo-already eyed,
and to have a new law. Hs. (Mr. Corwin) now went
onife out of the sphere' of his former ir t ; Itetwent
at once into the field of treatron ; a ' *thing would
„tram
content hint but another law. proceefl leir oa the basis
of flie *silting law, with new. modificatioas. That Hoe.
ebsesber had proposed to open at etta. with a duty of
ler.; his opiniop. indeed, appeseedt to• have "grown.
considerably in the progress of these dionsmioas. Corn
. nw in all unnalneat state. tlif -T Wallops to be
*lwo
Ma e with respect tali-m.ost to c air, not whit
it now was, but what it, was likely ylo e, judging from
.the example of former years. llse,fHoa:. Member for
Cumberland (Mr. thirteen) sappers el that foreign 'corn
could, imlependentlyof the duty, Ism idipurted at 40s.
taking the average price at Mamie at Ms. • But he had
not considered thattberewonl4 bee charge of ss. wyear
for every year. had corn enualned as warehouses. lbw.
ever, taking the import price at 46e. the duty of 17s.
added, would make the amount 575.; bet the Hon. lien-
demon. while hi laid hold of the lowest price at which
. cora was sold on the Continent, ought Dot to take it for
granted that it would be imported from Danteic at that
price :from all eternity. According ,to the proposition
which kg (the Marquis of Londonderry) bed origi-
stated. the ports were• to be left open only for three
mouths in the year; and the question was,, whether in
those three months such a quantity of core could he
imported front the Contiment (even taking the price
at forty shillings, with the duty of . seventeen alai.
lings) as would materially injure oar owe agriculturists.
+He certainly thought not. The great defect of the pre-
, wurlaw was, that it did nut Word a sufficient controel
over die circumstances of the market. Was it possible
be would ask, under his proposition, that people would
speculate in corn to an extent that would be injurious to
our land-bolder, when there was to be an outlay io the
first instance of 275.? Is surprised him very much to
hear front the lion. Member for Cumberland that he svas
not satisfied with an import price of 705., cousidering
that on a former occasion he thought 655. would he
sufficient for the protection of our agriculturists. The
farmers were very muck misled in attaching themselves
rather to the import price that. to the question of the
scale of duty. The Noble Marquess, in conclusion, ex.
pressed his hope that the speech of the Honourable
Member for timberland would produce no undue int.
permitse on the House, and that the Honourable
Meiober would himself see the f.slliey of his argument.
—(Hear, bear )-
Mr. D. BROWNE said that the landed interest was
now laid prostrate at the feet of those whom it bed
supported dewing the war. He entirely agreed with the
Hon. Member for traMberland, that MM. was the lowest
price at which foreign corn should be. imported. He
would not hesitate to avow himself in favour of prohi-
biting foreign corn altogether, for lie was convinced if
our own farmers could end a market, they could produce
a supply that would be amply sufficient for the United
liingi;ouz.

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sili.r Awe duty could 'meet the tills. •Ie wool liarrrUted for tbe isirrAtißANDOßNHapeirgiSitfibild • tear
Aiwa: tell resolutions of tips 11444agebye Uwise* for 'Hutiersiti ilk . 6,-, ,04 very her-rife, 81'124 iti • "tell- •He
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' radii*. tips sq,*s *mist ,Isteitlme pertly. erg.* e - SSW - The marquess of LONDON . yid that
e tontrbele,..lbit it.rottfil be. implesUtle to yudrusoe.,ths.pnblielisalt the stain inquiry was. according to the speech of the
ossible fdr , any iiiiteese "Fidel ought Bpi*, did ootnekig.frotititsb lion. Member for tMemberland (Mr. enrwen,) wind
ry. But 11, laps— Us . wished ,to Scsara for the laiiiiefi gatereet a otibt tti be tbe atnetutt of the protecting
lie
. A el.'. 11.• mai hia V1....d Londonderry's) staremest. would,