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intimate union with this country, because it appeared
unsafe to connect one's self in trade or advance,
or
property or money upon a security which could not
be denominated safe, and was not always available at
law. This deficiency also increased the number of
absentees, whether through natural timidity or dif.
kroners in political opinions. The first consequenie
of rendering this force operative and effective would
be the reduction of the immense staodiog army,
ways kept in that countryat an enormous expence. 114
most earnestly, therefore, recommended the appoint.
meat of a Committee to investigate the subject, or he
should even be content if, in case the Right Um
Gentleman should think it more expedient, that hr
would give him an assurance that he would take up
the subject early nest Session, and introdectra phi
suitable to the redress of the evil of which be sow
complained.
Mr. PEEL was folly impressed with the import.
once of the subject; hut he wee afraid it would be
quite impossible to effect any good at this late period
of the Session. Neither the necessary return, BO
the parole evidence for understanding the subject,
could be procured in sufficient time during tits pre.
sent Session. He had no need to give the Hone an
*assurance that he would attend to this intim, (or it
had long occupied his serious thoughts. Ti. Bight
Honourable Gentlemen observed, that the County
of Longford had been much Indebted to Lord Forbes
for his active exertions in preserving the peace. The
Act for providing for that impose had been folly
adequate to its object—additional salaries had ben
given to the Constables.. Two other Acts bad ben
introduced by him—one the Insurrection Act, for
which in its due execution the Government was re-
sponsible; and he could state with satisfaction, that
in no one instance bad it been deemed expedient to
carry it into effect. Nor was it intended, when it
expired, which it would shortly do, to move for its
continuance. The other Act was the Peace Preset-
vation Act, which the Honourable Baronet wished
to have estended. Now he had brought in a Bill
last Session to relieve the districts from one-third of
the espence, and in some instances from two-thirds.
lie objected to the estensinn of the posers of this
Act, because there did not exist any necessity—thi
counties being.perfectly competent to preserve their
owti tranquillity. It would be therefore invidious to
burden them with an additional expeuce. With re-
spect to the Police, the Peace Preservation Bill em-
powered the Magistrates to call in aid the military
in cases of extreme urgency. He did not see that,
supposing it possible to transfer the controul from
the Magistracy to the Grand Jury, it would be et.
pedient at this late period of the Session, nor at.
tended with any good effect. He thereto* should
object to the Committee. In the mean time, he would
propose to lay a Return of the Salaries of Constables,
under the last Act, before the House. He wished to
state what had been done respecting the office of
Sheriffs in Ireland. He had the aothority of the Lord
Chaucellor of Ireland for saying, that the select's'
of Shea id's was the most respectable and
tionable.
Sir F. FLOOD thanked God end the Right lion.
Gentleman for having preserved the tranquillity of
'rebind, by the two Acts just quoted.
Mr. PARNELL supported the Motion. He ob.
served that the people of the lower orders in sons
counties entertained a belief, that they were not
bound to obey the laws, because they were, as they
affirmed, made by the enemies of that country. In.
deed he thought some of the penalties inflicted were
too severe, particularly the punishment of t ranaporta-
(inn for a mere breach of the Police Law. A
Penitentiary Establishment would, in his opinion, bs
more beneficial.
Sir 11. PARNELL replied, and the motion was
withdrawn.

PA R ISM VF.STRI ES.
The Order of the Day being moved for the third reading of
the Parish Vestries Bill,
Mr. CA LCItA FT said, he did not mean at this late state*
oppose the further progress of the measure, but be will ester.
tattled great objections to jt, because it alfected the rights ad*
sulject, where his purse was concerned. He would protM
against dr, curtailment of the rights of the lower orders of so-
ciety. The motive for introducing this law was said to be the
tumultuous proceedings which sometimes occurred at Vestries,
in consequeoce of their numbers, and the consequent difficulty
of transacting properly the business of the parish.. All Peldie
Meetings were in sum degree tumultuous. The same objectim
, aright be brought against elections, or even against that lbws,.
He saw .no evidence to
~prove the necessity of the Bill. For ha
part he had never experienced the impedinseuts which therma-
-1 sure was designed to obviate.
Mr SHA W LEFEVRE doubted very mach the propriety II
the Bill. There was no proof before the Committee, clod
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the assertion of a single udividual, that any ioconeeniesee
arose from the present mode of voting at Vestries. Much god
resulted from the yr sentsystem, and the House should hesitate
before they made any change in ft. He felt it:ten-wed in the
*subject, because he had presented a Petition against the Bill
from the Borough of Readings
Mr. STURGES BOURN E said, the wish entertained icy
Committee was, to assimila e the mode of proceeding here, to
that practised in Scotland. In many' instances, it was well
known that the respectable members of a Vestry were over•
pouered by the clamours of those who were assewed to only a
very small amount, and who were frequently connected
those-who were to derive advantage from the mode of emplol•
ins tht parish money. In 1807, Mr. Whiihread proposed a
measure of the very same kind. His object, as stated by hissed.,
sots to prevent undue Influence and popular clamour. in core-,
(limpet of ohicli respectable persous were unwilling to attetulat
Ves•ries. To prevent this Mr. Whitbreitd proposed a Bill err
the same principle as the present. It came from a person to
whose opinion the House would be more disposed to acquiesce
than in his (Mr. B.'s); from a man of great experience, of
great ability, and one who was no enemy le ;minder rights..-.
It was fair that those who contribute more than others *ma
have a proportionate influence at Vestries. This principle oat
acted upon lit other ea-es—in canals, for instance. Mr. Gilbert.
amendment would go further than the present Bill, for it •oeld
disfranchise all who were assessed in a less sum than M. Ile
opposed this amendment, for the present measure left all the
right of voting to those who enjoyed it before.
Mr. CURW EN was sorry that an) new principle bad been
introduced upon this subject. It would lend to create jealmoy.
The tumult complained of at Vestries proceeded, he believed,
from the h:gher orders not attending to their ditties there. He
never knew any instance in which that deference was not paid
to respectable men at a Vestry, which might enable theory
carry any measure benelleltil to the parish. He would rum
against the Bill, if the flame was divided upon it.
Mr. F. DOUGLAS said, he was friendly to the principle of
the measure. It was the best mode for moo. ing ons aclee
svhich• now disgusted and repelled respectable pergola fro.
Vestries. He thought, lietwever, that the principle might be
modified as to obviate many of the objections made to it. As it
stood at present it might have the elieCt of dividing a Vest/
into part and enable them to of the parish at ittel
pleased. If a mild be better to gelatiniser the stuns 45I.601100•
and 6401. for those which at present existed is the aslllo
amount of sweetmeat by which votes o ere to be regulated.
Mr. ISAR HA al supported the Bill, and it was read albino
time.
Mr. S. BOURN F. °solved a clause to eseept the City of Wl'
don from the operation of the Bill, which was agreed to.
Mr. BA ROLA Y moved a similar clause fur Suathnittos
which was aim adopted.

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of insurrection or disturb.
lly depired A 6161141 tbg
orally eo ac ire (roil her
:oentry, because it appeared
:If in trade or advances of
I security which could not
was not always available at
so increased the number of
ligh natural timidity or dif.
ens. The first consequenie
perative and effective would
tnmenee medics( army, al.
,at an enormous espence. flo
, recommended the apposes„
nvestigate the subject, or be
if, in case the Bight Um
it more eltpedient, that 14
Ince that he would take up
ision, and introducca Ord
of the evil of which be sow
Impressed with the imports
he wee afraid it would be
any good at this late period
the necessary relent, nor
understanding the subject,
lEcient time during tiro pre.
D need to give the Homan
attend to this subject, for it
rious thoughts. The Bight•
observed, that the County
orb indebted to Lord Forbes
a preserving the peace. The
hat prime had been folly
additional salaries had been
Two other Acts bad bete
the Insurrection Act, fee
n the Government was re.
state with satisfaction, that
t been deemed expedient to
✓ was it intended, when it
shortly do, to move for its
r Act was the Peace Preset'.
Honourable Baronet wished
r he had brought in a Bill
e districts from one-third of
me instances from two-thirds.
'Mon of the posters of this
not exist any necessity—di •
competent to preserve their
suld be therefore invidious to
Iditioual espeuce. With is.
Peace Preservation Bill em.
I to call in aid the military
incy. He did not see that,
D transfer the controul from
;rand Jury, it would be et.
riod of the Session, nor at.
PfreCt. He therefore should
. In the mean time, he would
of the Salaries of Constables,
Ire the House. He wished to
lone respecting the office it
had the sothority of the Lord
for saying, that the selection
,st respectable and utatuep
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of the lower orders in some
belief, that they were not
s, because they were, as they
enemies of that country. In.
if the penalties inflicted were
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Mr. SHAW LEF EV It h: proposed a clause of the stone kinel
for the Borough of Reading. It was rejected upon the ground
that Reading wasnet governed by Local Laws?
Mr. D. GILBERT asked if Reading was, like Leedom 'and
Southwark, governed by Local Laws.
Mr. S. LEFEV RE answered in the negative, and at down.
The Bill was then passed.
POOlt LAWS' AMENDMENT BILL
Mr. R. BOURNE moved the Order of the Day, that this Hill
be read a third time.
Mr. F. I)OUGLAS, after some observations, In whieb he
Urged the impolicy and cruelty of that clause by which the Pa-1
rish Officers are empowered to take away children from their
parents when unable to support them, and to place them in
schools established fur the purpose, moved that the clause should
be omitted.
Mr. Alderman WOOD objected also to the clause, but ex-
pressed himself generally in favour of the Bill. At the same
time he suggested that some provision should be made to mere
the attendance of the children at Divine Worship.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE observed, that the Act of Elisa-
beth empowered the Parish Officers to take away the children
of 'nom who could not support them. The practice of giving
money to the parents was au innovation on the old law, and one
that was attended with many injurious consequences. No one
who knew any thing of the country parts could be ignorant
that the money which was given for the support of the children
was often spent in the ale-house. The principle of the clause,
be contended, was most humane, with regard to the parish, the
parents, nod the children.
Mr. CURVY EN remarked, that the Bill wept to legislate on
the idea, that the wages of the labouring classes were not ade.
game to the maintenance of their families. The wages, be in-
anted, ought to be made adequate, and the House ought to le—
gislate upon any other ground, rather than one which went to
recognise this condition of the pour. In the northern enmities,
they could support their own children on the wages afforded.
though the system pursued in the south drove them to seek for
parochial relief. So tang as the People did not suppose it a
disgrace to receive such assistance, it would continue to be ap-
plied fort the present measure would operspe to encourage
them in considerittg it a right, and therefore would rather en-
courage than suppress the evil.
Colonel WOOL) supported the clause, on the ground that it
would go to cure the evil of applying for pasochial relief, by
eoi,ligating the parents to part Loon their children if they did not
labour to support them It would also, in the manufacturing
districts, provide various employments for the children of the
manufacturers. who at present brought theta up to their own
trades universally, and by that mesas overstocked the market
• and reduced the prices of labour. The establishment of such
5e1.0011 as the clause went to provide, would educate them in
different branches of industry.
Mr. LAMB said that the clause was contradictory to the
principles contained in the Report. What he chiefly appre.
Vended from it was. that when it became known that the chil-
dren would he provided for, improvident marriages would he
encouraged. and the natural affections destroyed. If the prin-
ciple of the Poor Laws was hail, this was carrying that principle
still further. He approved of the course which was taken of
Improving the administration of the Poor Laws, by the gradual
advance of which they world reader more service to the coun-
try. than by any enactment bath as was contained in the present
clause.
Mr. COU RTEN A Y spoke in favour of the clause.
Mr. CA LCRA FT thought it harsh that parents who could
not provide for their children should he threatened with losing
them. It wa- an engke i.f oppreipion. and in all respects too
great a power to be entrusted either to Parish Officers or to
Vestries. It wa- unfair to conclude that men were necessarily
degraded, because they were driven to seek for parochial relief.
It was owing to the low rate of wages, the enormous taxation,
and the high price of all the necftsariss of life, and out any de-
gradation of character t• at compelled them. The Report, he
thought, did not make sulk:len' allowance for these considera-
timis. b eff ct of tlw clause would be to breed rap a race of
pauper-, and he regretted that a measure otherwise beneficial
should contain a clause of such a tendency.
Mr. BitO A DII U RST spoke against the clause.
After a few words from Mr. W. SMITH, who defended the
clause upon the ground that though attended with some evils,
the balance of gond was in its layout, the House divided,
when there appeared—
For the clause 46
Against it 14

Majority
Mr. W. SMITH moved. as on amendment to the-clause which
provides for the relocation of the children, that they %tumid be
permitted in attend !home Worship ua Sunday*, with their
parents or other relative,.
The amendment was agreed to.
Mr. DAY IS preard the claims of Bristol to some special re-
lief, asequence of the severe toper:slim' of the 801 l for the
passage of the !owe' solders of the Irish through that part of the
century.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIII..QUER felt the hard-
ship 'be Bill would impose on Bristol and ot'.er out-porn. but
be mild not pledge himself to any special relief, as be knew of
no funds applicable to what was required. 11.41 he could not
commis to hurthen slue whole country for such a purpose.
The Bill was read a third time and passed.
Th Church Bill. after the adoption of boast verbal
suurnameois. was read a third time and pus-ed.
Oil the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the
EX,AIEQUER, the second reading of tile Alien
Bill was postp .nett flown this day to Friday neat.
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
gave notice. that he would postpone until Friday neat,
znoviste the Resolution for the Lott Pry in the Coin-
eptitteenf Wiy, Ind Means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
also gave orifice, that he wool(' tomorrow (this day)
.more teat at its rising the House shoeld adjourn le
WetlitoStfa F.—A t One o'Clock the House Adjourned.

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THE STATESIVI.4 N.

LONDON:

rBitull MAY 8, I 818•

The intelligence from India is of great interest.—

The accounts from the di►ision of the army with
which the Govot nor-General moves state, that it was
ascending the Betwsh towards Betmul, the seat of
the Pindarrees, on the 23d of No►ember. The Bet wah
is a river falling into the Janina, which communicates
with the Ganges : it rises About 60 miles from the
Nerbudda, and runs Northward about 250 miles to
the Jumna. We regret to add, though no notice is
taken. of the fact in the Supplementary Gazette
lately published; that the accoonts we com-
municated a fortnight ago, of a dreadful pesti-
lential disease having committed great havock in the
army of the Governor-General, are now confirm-
ed by the latest intelligence from the East. On the
first day on which it was observed distinctly, it car-
ried off 97 persons ; on the nest day above 5001
perished. Its ra►ages are said to ha►e been chiefly,
though not exclusively, confined to the poorer class
of natives and camp-followers; but we learn with
regret that the Marquis of HASTINGS was himself at
one time affected with this malady, and that 17 of
his Lordship's native servants died. When the ac-
counts came away, however, hopes were entertained
that the progress of the disorder had been arrested.
It appears from the Ceylon Gazette, which has
reached us to the 21st December, that the re►olters
still remained unsubdued in the mountainous part of ,