The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-06-03 00:00:00

TAE StA,TESMAN.

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IMPERML .11.4RL14M R.Nr.., ra there any objection to the cOntineatiou of the
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110 ESE OF 1:01a01; .turve 4. • , ' . Mr. RQSE declared, that no part of those funds
The House met about two o'clock. and resolved itself Into, a had been expended in extinction, even for the mo-
ment, of any public burden,.
Mr. ,ititOLIG ll A M replied, that the paper ailed-
vCaermiwinoiit,trweaTietxheamoin,rdys.attwifioileongeitih.. Mr. Gledstattes, of Ll••
About a quarter past live tho.lloow resumed. • _
ed to by the Hon. Gentleman (Wharton) not having
,‘ Mr. Pert:try:Ws Family frortsion Rift was brought op f.'s!!!
the commons by Mr. I. itagerull and other Memb.er* ;. anaa2 been printed, was the cause of his being ignorant
di- motion of the EPA of LIVERPOOL, read a ant tune,
ordered to he read a second time to-morrow.
Friday, that it had been laid before the House; and Its to
the other sums to which he had alluded, granted out
YllE:jiver nusoti ruler
Residencefor ofof iihiies
of
this fund, it was necessary that the account should
Juallitt.r:hengtyiol.rtol °(prolpinse4Kßa()llWlll3l
PE %SAKTI:It OF IRELAND. be produced, not only that it might be seen that such
earl gTAN HO PE moved to postpone the committal of his grants should not be repeated but also that t!'e
Pill relate% rto the Tenantry and Peasantry a .ta Ireland till MOTI- _ ,
day_
House might be convinced, that temporary accom-
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• ' • which say ordered.
DISSENTERS. modations were not made out of this fund to Govern-
FArl• STANHOPE, after adverting to the present ment.
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sitaation of a number: of persons,
forming a majo- It was then ordered, that an Address be presented
to the Prince Regent, praying, that he would be
conformists, in ceusevence of the late construction 1
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pleased to order, that there be laid before the House,
.of the existing laws, and referring to a promise given
rity of his Majesty's `objects, he meant the non-
; an account of all sums taken from the Droits of the
to this body damn by the late Mr. Perceval, to ame-
;Admiralty, and repaid, up to the present day.
liorate their sititiatin, proposed a Bill for the re- 1 ADMI;ISTRATION. •
lief . of members. of the Church of England, and I • Mr MARTIN (Galway) said, previous to.' the
Others,. from unjust penalties-and disabilities. His I withdrawing of the motion on the subject of an effi-
LordshiP stated, that the Bill did not touch the Test 1 cient Administration, of which he had given notice
•or Corporation Acts, nor upon the question of Catho- i for to-morrow, he wished to put two questions, the
lie Emancipation. lie merely now wished to have the answers to which would enable him to judge whether
Bill read a first time, and that it should be printed. lie ought to withdraw that motion altogether, or to
The Earl of LIVERPOOL objected to the word vary it in any sort. There was, he knew, seldom a ,
" unjust" in the title, as assuming that to be a fact, ; person of any consequence. in such an assembly as ;
which was a question for the House to determine, and that, who bad not what the French called a double
Lord Stanhope agreed to leave out the word. - Ito represent hint. To such person,• if there was
The Bill was read a first time, and ordered tb be , any such iu the llouse, he wished now to put simi- i
printed. . 1 lar questions to those which had been put yester-
• INSOLVENT DEBTORS. ! day by an Honourable Gentleman to a Right
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j Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby), whom be
Lord REDESDALE moved the Order of the Day
for taking into consideration the Report of the Jn- i did not now see in his place, namely, 66. whet
solvent Debtors' Bill. - 1 ther, up to that moment, a proposition had. been.
The Earl of MOIRA, After complimenting the I made to him or .his friends by any person who.
Noble and Learned Lord for his conduct in bringing ever, to form part of au Administration, to which
forward this measure, moved, with a view to the they had given a refusal on public or personal
further consideration of some Amendments which he
1 grounds ?" &c. He assured the House that no
wished to propose, to discharge the Order for taking , man was privy to his intention of making the pre-
the Report into consideration ; suggesting, at the osent motion, and therefore that no man to whom the.
same time, that if it was found impracticable to get present question might be found to be addressed
through the Bill in the present Session, that a tem- , could justly be accused of feigning astonishment, as
' porary Insolvent Bill might be passed. he understood, if report spoke truly, was the case I
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The LORD CHANCELLOR and Lord ELLEN- ; last night, in requiring the reading and re-reading
BOROUGH ' to him of also wished to postpone the consider-
questions which bad been framed in. his'l
Eation, in order that there might be time for more ' own presence. He hoped he was not irregular or'
maturely considering in private the Amendments disorderly in alluding to the name of a Noble Mar-
which it was wished to propose; and at the same 1 quis (Wellesley), and asking if any such refusal had
time stated their readiness to support a temporary ; been made to a proposition coming from him ? The
'lnsolvent Bill, if it iltiiald be found impracticable to line of conduct to; be observed by him to-morrow ,
get through the proplaaid permanent measure daring should depend upon the answer he received from the
the present Session. ' Hon. Bart. opposite (Newport.)
Lord REDESDALE agreed to the postponement. Sir JOHN NEWPORT declared, that be had no
The Earl of • LAUDERDALE gave notice of his means of information on the subject alluded to by .
intention to propose a temporary Bill for the Relief j the Hon. Gentleman, and that the questions of that i
of Insolvent Debtors in. England and Ireland. I Hon. Gentleman might as well have been directed t
Some further conversation relative to the Bill ;to any other Member of the House as to him (Sir J. 11
took place, in the course of which Lord HOLLAND I Newport.)
lamented that the• House should have had-this subject Mr. STUART WORTLEY begged to say a few I
under discussion for 20 years, without coming to a words, as to an insinuation which seemed to have 1
decision upon it. • fallen from the Honourable Gentleman who srke I
Lord ELLENBOROUGH defended himself from , last, that a concert had existed between him ant, the
any imputation of indolence or incapacity, which 1 Right Honourable Gentleman on the other side
might be supposed to have been thrown upon him, ' (Ponsotiby), as to the questions 'put by him last i
with regard to this subject, he having given it all the j night, to that Right Honourable Gentleman. It 1
attention in his power. ' was, no doubt, true, that he did lay before that I
Lord HOLLAND disclaimed. any intention oft Right Honourable Gentleman copies of theqeestions
throwing any imputation upon the Noble and Learn-
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'he meant to put to him. [hear, hurl] He told I
i ed Lord; but he could not but lament, that after j him, " these are questions which I intend to put to''
20 years consideration no decision should have been ! you, and will you. answer them." He did so tO.the I
come to. ! Right Honourable Gentleman as he would have done
The LORD CHANCELLOR spoke of the gene.. to any other Member of Parliament, and lie did se
ral humanity of Creditors, as instanced in their so' as a man connected with no party. He had no
readily signing the certificates of bankrupts, and doubt, he knew whence the remark of the Honour-
, suggested whether the more expedient course might able Member proceeded. it had been said in i.
not be to extend the Bankrupt Laws to individuals print of this morning, that he (Mr., W.) had gone to •
;not in trade, rather than enact the provisions in the ' the Right Honourable Gentleman (Ponsonby) and
Bill of his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Redes- ! had offered to become one of his party. This he
dale). . . •- . . I denied. He called for the Right Honourable Gen-
The Earl of MOIRA. observed upon the necessity . tleman when five or six Gentlemen were with him,
of resorting to some measure to prevent the coutinued , and, being requested to retire into another room,
imprisonment of the person of the debtor. I declined doing so, but publicly stated the cause of
After some further conversation the Order was dis- 1 his visit. If any of the Gentlemen alluded to were
discharged. now present, he called on them to say if this was not
About seven o'clock the House again resolved it- so. lie declared that he was allied to no party
, self into a Committee on the Orders in Council, and i whatever : in the 'Steps he had taken in this import-
! examined Mr. Gledstanes, Mr. Hurst, an American, ' ant business, he had taken advice from no man.
and another witness. ' i Mr. MARTIN said he had no wish to attribute
I Some conversation took place between Lord Shef- I any thing improper to the lion. Gentleman (Mr.
field, the Earl of Lauderdale, the Lord Chancellor, ' Wortley). All he meant was to express his astonish-
and the Earl of Roaslyn, as to the propriety of pro. 1 ment, considering how things really stood, et the ex-
' ceeding further that evening, which terminated in : traordinary surprise at the questions put to• him, af-
agreeing to postpone any, further examination till 1 fected by the Right Honourable Gentleman (Pon-
to morrow, when the evidence on the part of the Pe- ; sonb
titioner3 is to be closed, and the House having r Lod 1 y).
rd MILTON said, after all that had passed on
sumed, the Committee was ordered to sit again to-; this subject, the House was still left in the dark; as
morrow at half-past two. Ito the intention of the Hon. Member (Mr. Martin).,
Adjourned till to-morrow (this day). 1 It would be better if he would tell the. House whether
it was his intention to brjng.on his motion or not;
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HOUSE OF COMMONS. and if it was not convenient for the Hop. Gentleman
• Mr. WHARTON brought up as Account of the Additional himself, it no doubt would• be convahient for °their,
Stamp Duties,*agreeably to order, which was ordered to lie on Hon. Gentlemen to have tMsinfortnatitik. •-
• tire table mad to be printed.- • .
The Report of the Committee appointed to esquire trite tie I Mr. W. SMITH thought, as to the cry mist',
ease of Mr. St. John Mason, was ordered to be printed. 1 against his Right Hon. Friend (Pottsonby), as 'if he
I ADMIRALTY DROITS. I had affected surprise at the questions put to him last
I Mr. BROUGHAM rose, agreeably to notice, to night,' there was really 'nothing in- it His .Right.
move for a continuation of the Accounts relating 'to ' Hon. Friend had not affected surprise, being, as he
' the Droits of Admiralty. In submitting this rtio: ' was, aware of the questions that were to be put to,
tiun, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman took odes- ' him ; but biul only desired that the questions might
' sion to advert to the various opportunities which at be repeated, in eider that both they and the answers.
' all times presented themselves for a misapplitatien to be given to them Might be 'the 'more clearly /Under-
'of those funds, under the check, or rather no check, ' stood by the House.' As to the fact, of theitalure of
to which they were at present submitted. If the re- the questions to be put to his Right. Has. Friend
'toms, for the continuation of which he Wow moved, ' havitig..been, previously commuoicated jo, him; bah•
were at any time necessary, they were tnorepartieu- 1-was a mode of prof ding which all. Parlietnentery.
• tarty so at the present moment, when, 'in souse- , peaCtiee sanctionedEittdjt 'must seem to lie,a Tn.
j quence of the temporary suspension of the Govern- , unauthorised freedorete use irlik miyMemher, is
meta, the proceeds of this fund might be em.played ; put a 'Question: to hid, 'without' ;ding such o ferS
iin supplying the.exigencies of the State, which ought , mality. •, ,
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only to be defrayed. by a rote of Parliament. tkive.l. Mr. MARTlN.hoeintmoved that the motion, of
1 were also'othet sums paid out of this fund, •of 'xiiiirch . *Lich he kedgivett notice for Wednesday, be read,
lit was necessary that Parliamett, if it had net- the stated, that. he, had n 9 iiesitatima. in sayiug, that his
• controul over them, Should have some knowledge, $ object in the motion; of which he bad given notice,
there were occasional grants kedifferent branches of . was tolacilitate at inecb as 'in him tity the Cbmsnis-•
the Royal Family. Ile concluded by puttiug, his pion which he undereetiod• had' since been given to
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motion. . -, , t loord Wellesley, to fora anAdtninistmticia.
Mr. WHARTONiiiiressed his surprise, thit de - fter thp,interrentjog of some other business, s ,
lion. and Learned Gentleman had not peitelettd,`ra ' rd 111,1,L.T014repeated the question he had 4al-
that part of his modem was satisfied by the product= • * '"put .to thit Hcitiintrable Gentleman, namely,
Lion of a paper which had been on the table of the wh;ether, id ttiePriniehtstate of thecountry, he shoed
House, ever since the list' 'of May lase. ' ?hitter thilakJit properstansoike the motion .of which he'l'd
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given notice for to-morrow? To this question, Ile
submitted, the Ilonourabh! Gentletnati had emit- no ..
answer, but only stated, that any motion lie should
bring
the
ing
make would go to facilitate any arrangement of the
Noble Marquis, to whom had been confided the task
of forming an Administration. 'Phis was no saris_fiaictonioonurabto
Itkee
GHeonutis:m, asan question,t:,otuhled.owid neotZe
ou whether
forward his motion to-morrow ?
Mr. MARTIN had no hesitation in saving, he
thought it extremely improbable he should make the
mc'i9n of which he had given notice, te-morrow;
but at this time Iv! thomiit it not inconVenient that
something should remain on the Orders to enable
any Gentleman who chose it, to agitate a question of
so much importance to the country. His Wish was to
preserve to himself and to others, the possibility of
malting such a motion, not to pledge himself that it
should actually he made. Should a coticert lie formed
amongst a number of men to force the sovereign to
receiveinto his councils obnoxious Ministere,heshould
be one of those who would resist such a measure. He
, should not be one of those who \mull say !91t
vereign had not a right of challenge against any noxi-
ous individual or individuals of the kind he had al.
luded to. As the Right Hon. Gentle Man (Ponsonliy)
had shewti that he had no objection to interrogatories,
wished to reserve to himself the poWer of
It..ih)eut(tMingr. M.)
some to him to-morrow if he should see occa.
sion. He again repeated, if was highly improbable he
should bring forward his motion to-morrow, but still
it was not impossible.
Lord COCHRANE presented a Petition from Te.
ter Betties shoemaker, of Stafford, complaining of
Mr: Phillips). a Membgr of the House, having
tfineiffroin bim a sum:of money, udder pretence of
rring a dhehargeof a seaman, Which, howeler,
iet:d filied to 'procure.
few Weida from Mr. REMICK, the Pe.
Aden' was' otdered to lie on the table. '
The Report of 'the Coiamittee of Ways ind Means
Was brought Op and agieedkiO.
.Mr. WELLESLEY POLE gave notice, that he
Would tomorrow move/or leave to bring in a Bill
conthsue'the Irish Custom Duties for one year.
The House then went into a Committee on the
Petitions ;on the Orders in Council', when Witnesses
were called in "Rd eiamitted ; after which the House
a4jhurned. -