The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-03-31 00:00:00

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Mr. BENNET supported the aastessimmit re the;
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to to theßsti-
mates of 1791, while the °Me toed Who'a &pis.
tare trout thetu. Thee! mates.piesesf Ms. Pitt to
here been a meet esonsatical Minister. Its etsetended
that the appoisstment of clnerter-Master aid Adjutant-
Hanna hi Ireland, was Rabin but a suilitery job,
If these estimate* were not nonw4aerd. the House
oust not expect tbaj,redustioa take Owe after. 1
Colonel WOOD dolanded the Staff la In , and the,
Foreign Stalk and said, that there ought to be so sae-1
ing wade in the Army Estimates at the aapeube of the
comforts of the British soldier.
Mr. HUME aadCol. WOOD explained.
Mr. 3. SMITH said, that the arguments urged in ass
ewer to Lis Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) were more with re-
spect to the discipline of the Army %ban to the necessity
of sepportiog the present public expenditure. After
further observations, he concluded by stating. liblit
would.willingly support a reduction in the Staff
meat, thistle's not to the automat proposed by his on.
Friend (Mr. Hume.)
Colorsel DAV/ES explained.
After a few words Irma Lord PALMERSTON and Mr.
RENNET.
Mr. HVME consented to withdraw hia notion. and to
propose that the *am granted to the support of the Stet
De7ar.usent shoals' be 90.8001.
For the Arasendeiewt,6l;—Against it, 116 ;—Majority, 6S.
The twigless' Itesolotion was then put and untried.
The next Resolutios was, that a sum not exceeding
23,361!„ 13e. 10d. be granted for the general Staff of
Ireland.
Sir H. PARNELL oppend this grant as ettravagaat :
be Cieught that the Irish Staff ought to be considerably
redusail.
LeesIVALMERSTON made some observations in sup-
port of the proposes' grant.
Mr. 'WSW ientensled that the Irish Staff was by far
too numerous and ought to be reduced.
Lori P.II,3IEILSTON maintained, that the situation
of Ireland re9tiireil more Staff Officers in eoaseQuence el
the distribution of the troops in that country. The duly,
of the Medical Officers was also more issiitortaet time
the Henontahle thustleutan appeared to thus; for they
bag to make tours of isoprene° to see bow the Rip
ginteatal Surgeons attended to their duties. sad it wee
a rubtake to suppose that the Irish Establishment were
exempted from Foreign erri.ce any wore than that of
England.
Mr. WARRP. said a few words in a low tone of
yoke. from which we understood him to support the 1
Amendment.
Sir If. P.llll ELL thought that the argument of the
Noble Lord seemed to assume, that Ireland was in a state
of war instead of peace i bet the fact was, that the Cum-
mender of the Fortes was an unnecessary office, as all
the boldness reload be as well done by a D;puty Adjutant
and a Diplity Quarter-muster Genersl.
Sir G. Hll.l. contended that the state of Ireland re-
quired ths establishment of a Military Staff, as appeared
from the esperietice of the last year.
Mr. O'Li rIADY said be should ruts in favour of the
numerical force of the army, because he considered it
necessary, hut not fur the unnecessary expense. It was
nut He effective force of the army that was objected tu,
lint the existence of those places, almost ausoonting to
sinerures, which were attached to it in every direction,
and among thins be was sure he might include that
of the Commander-its-Chief, and that of the Adjutant.
General with his assistants.
Mr. GRANT ob•erred, that if they were resolved
to Imre a Court in Ireland they must countenance the
appointment of high officers in order to support its
dignity. The Honourable Baronet had suggested
la..t tear that the office of Lord Lieutenant might be
Abolished, hot he could state that the suggestiiiii had
ex ited considerable alarm in Ireland, and particularly
in Dublin.
Co!onid DAVIES supported the Amendment.
Mr. BENNET thought that the offices of Adjutant
and Qiiarter-hlaster.tirneral might be efficient at the
Levers and Drawing-rooms of the Castle: but the
question after all this was, that Ireland was poor and
could Hot pay fur those splendid offices.—They heard
nothing f.tosi that country but the voice of distress,
and it nes a inockery to talk of Courts and Establish-
ments which ry hail not the nlealls of supporting.
Mr. GORIPON asked what necessity was there for
the Commander-in-Chief of Ireland to give dinners
Tl.e spletidoor of the Court could, he thought. be kept
up as nell by the presence of a Lieutenant-General as
of a Commander in Chief.
The Committee then divided on the Amendment as
follows :—For the Atucuduieut, 53--.lgainst it, 149
—Majority, 87.
On our re-admission to tGe Gallery, we found Mr.
111.311; ohjectini to :hr vote of 11,471/. 15s. s'l. for
tl.e allowances to the l'otaniander.in Chief, his per-
sol.al Staff, Secretary, Assistauta, Clerks. and coutiu-
gent expenses.
Mr. IWSIE. after contrasting the present expense
with Ho expenses of the years 1793 and 1807, moved
that the sum should be reduced to I 2,258/.
After a tore observations front Lord Palmerston and
Colonel Basics, the Gallery was cleared for a division,
but we nnderstand no division tank place.
Oil briag again re-admitted. we found
Mr. ACHE objecting to the tlffire of Paymaster Gr.
eerai of the Forces as unnecessary. The sums that pass-
ed through his hands amounted to from six to ten mil-
lions anmealle, and the ditties of the Office, which cost
the'reautry :.$3,000/. a year, might he as well performed
by the Batik without any expense whatever. In 1792 the
aliment was 18,344/., and even then it was considered
tso much. The total amount of the expense of the
(ice, including a sum of SAO/. pensions, amounted
to In,ooll/., instead of which sum lie moved as an :mead-
, meat, that the sum of 23,70. q. elionlii be voted for the
expense of the Paymaster General's Office.
Sir C. LONG was willing, and even anxious, to make
every possible reduction in the annual expense of the
establishment,and lieliad no doubt but that lie would be
able to reduce it cunsiderably. Various accounts were
now before the Other, which it would be very neeessare
to have arranged. As soon as those accounts should be
gone thtotigh, a considerable number of Clerks wooW be
dismissed ; but he submitted to the House, that it would
be the very worst species of economy to dismiss the
Clerks at present, as that step would necessarily leave
the act:moots unexamined.
Sir HENRY PARNELL said. that when he held an
Official litnation in Ireland, connected with the Military
Partiortit, there was an army in that costars: amount-
tug 1. 60.0116 men : that army 5-as regularly paid without
a Paymaster General's Office.—(Hear, bear.)
__Mr. 111011t—lir appealed to the House, whether le!
Bosom able Baronet's stateuseet, with respect " Ilir
getout ili which the Army of Ireland wee paid, when
he bald an offseial situation in the country, should sot
ate conclusive epos the subject ? For himself, belted so
ether view than to reduce the pretest enormous salaries
—(Hear, beer.)—which existed ohne.t la every Deem
rant. lie was convinced, that the duties it the rat
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