The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-03-27 00:00:00

LON DON, MONDAY: MARCH 27, 1820.

" The Cavite fir sisicia RAMPDIN fel tin the "ad, di*. SYDNEY died on, the Seafokl !"

Sl*, C. at the Commercial In, Chettertlekl. Derby. At•
tgrae)s, Mr. Milton. Chaneety-lane. tondon ; and Mr.
Clarke. Chesterfield, Derbyshire.
C. Fitch. Braintree, Itssat, miller. Aprlaila. 1)4. and May
B. at the White llart inn, Hnetiag, EsseN. Attorneys. Mr.
Burleigh. Ravthorn-hall. Essex; and Mr. Taylor. John-
street. Bedford-row, London.
W. B. Plummer, liiuNston-upon-Holl, hionmonger, klaryh
S. and May A, at the George Inn. Kiptston-open-(lull.
Attorneys, Mr. Das, Bedford-row, Londds ; and Mr. Rush-
worth. hull.
IL Horner. Berkinghtnit, Limmln. jobber, April 5. O. and
May 6. ■t the Kinnston Arms Inn. Newark-upon-Trent.
Attorneys. Mr. Illudskinson. \.-%ark-apon-Tren, ; sad
Messrs. Nall sad Co.. Nrw Bosse-11-court. Carly-street.
C. Poole,WhitmCros4-AireCt. IV II low-sq us rernianu facto rer.
April I. ft. and Ma) 6, at (luildhall. Attorney, Mr. Mang-.
nail, Aldetwobar).

Do yoe know that the shop was called the " Tempi, of
Reuse, r•--1 heard it. I never Spoke to Johnson "boot
these works. I never spoke to him of the Resolutions et
Sin',Wield; I hare no knowledge of teem. Johnson to./
ine unwilling of the putting of of the meeting os the 9th. I
do not recollect that I was to have *Undo', that meeting.
I tanlrleery wdarifi lliintlyg, ilteabUt l heard
there
ts
liiitcait liolinewood. I never
golea 00. I had heard
Die a month or a fortnight before. I don't recollect when
Parliament was piorogued.
tort"' euveniaeeithi. bYI
diotte, 'lth)krreouThliellsnsTriajt°himnats°enlyfoirs ttohevliassitt
high as a friend; he was at my house in my life. 1
mOtse was at his home in Spread-lane. MS shop is iu
Skgbie-hill, one of late public stree:s of Manchester. If I
,ealled in upon him, It was only for the pores*, of hearing
lerillk I never saw any of Paine's worts in his Stop ,• sorb
wefts are not sold there. Johnsou is a brush-tbalree. Never
nor Ouch hooka there as Cartile sold. I heard of the meet.
inapt the 9tli of August ; it wee a current report. It was
11111P-tembentlf reported thettip, meninx was put eff, and
*est there wadi be a seetellig oe fire lea. I would. from
thiltrepoet, have itteedesi the etertine. whether I sew John-
Goa or net. Johnson did not invite one there in order to
take any part in the proceedings. Ile did not ask me to at-
tend for an illegal purpose.
Sy the Count.—ffyou 'Tented any riot or tunsolt there,
would you have attended. —Certainly not.
Sy JoaNswr.-1 don't recollect how I became sermetnted
with re. I know Mr. Gee. Ile toot me, for the first
thee. to your shop.
pv the Corwr.—Did you ever hear hem Johnson that
&VON; was golag on 1-1 meteor did.
Did yo 9 ever hear it mentioned, in his hearing, that it was
Itgoing on t —I do nut recollect that I did.
you ever hear the nature of it ; whether it was eon-
Ihn4 to marching or to arms 7-1 heard it was entirely con-
Geed to marching. I bad no reason to "oppose it ever went
bend that.
Ilv the CoiwT, for Johnson.-1 never heard Johnson in
my life say env thing 'editions.
Sidney Walter, by Mr. Acne.-1 am a lieutenant in the
Reseed Native Infantry. I have been from India one or two
years. I was at Manchester on the Idth of August last.
My family reside there. It consists of my mother, a sister,
arid her family. I observed the procession coming in. They
were perfectly praerable. I went afterward 3 to the meet-
ing. Some of the processions I saw pass through Deans-gate.
I I saw nothing in the course of the morning calculated to
41801.11. fears In the respectable people of the town. My
Seller or sister expensed no alarm. I did not hear any
One express fears for the safety of the town. I saw the mi-
Mary on the field. I stood about forty yards from Mr. Bui-
-1 ion's house on the Deans-gate side. holt. Huston's is at the
side of St. Peter's Church. I dial ug see any....visll4ll•o com-
mitted either in the h hid Weid or the stlieletti ours/goof the
#pyt al* the people. There were! hoWever, tin or three
ftellarreil tb , Aght amongst themselves, but they. were pre-
vented by those about them.. Tbey said they would not
have a riot created. Up te the arrival of the estuary. 1
did not see any thing like intimidation on the part of the
people.
Cross-examined by Serjeant Ilehhoeg.—Was still in the
service of the Cosapauf. but his leave is out, and he does
lot receive pay. I have a mind to retire, and am now a
'lndent of the Inner Temple. I wan ealleJ to the meeting
by notices ea the walls. I did not see The Observer. I
bad come is from the country. 1 lived *hoist two miles
IMO tows. My mother lives la tows. about four or Ave
limbered yards teem Peter's-heed. lam sot a member of the
Unites, or say political society. I was told who tie speak-
ers would be. I knew that Mr. Mont was to 'onside there.
1 did not know that Dr. Crompton, Mr. Partite, or Mr.
Pearson. were to be there. I know Mr. Carlile's shop. I
knew at the time he was under prosecution for blasphesuous
libels.
Mr. ile NT again °kited'd to any inquiry being made
about Mr. Carille, who was not a defendant here,
Mr. Justice RATLIT said, as be was one of those who
called the meeting, the prosecutors were at liberty to show
that he was nader prosecution for blasphemy at the time.
Mr. Hirst thought it very hard to he made accountable Ibr
every act of Mr. Carlile's life.
The witness went on.—l know Mr. Wooler. his ehop is In
Fleet-street. I have bees in Carlile's shop. that is also in
I Fleet-street. I believe it is celled " The Temple of Res-
ew' ;" pan of " The Republican and Deist- is over the
door. Never knew Mr. Hunt before the 18th, but I saw him
at a tenths; at the Crown and Anchor Tavern; it was upon
occasion of the death of Sir Samuel Romilly ; Sir Francis
Burdett was in the chair ; Mr. liant was there; many other
public characters were titers.—(tiers there was another ob-
jection raised, but after some conversation, the wheeze
went on.)-1 don't know that Wooler or Carlile were there;
I have not been much in the habit of attending the trials at
Guildhall ; I was not at Carille's trial ; Wooler Is a pub-
Heber. I believe; I never saw Mr. Hunt at any other place
but the Crown and Anchor; I never was at a public meeting
before that of the lOth of August. The divisions marched
in order, keeping • step, seven a-breast. They did not
march so regular as a regiment of sepoys. I emit say what
number of persons were assembled; they were ealenlated
at 100.001.1. The place *as quite full. I heard Mr. Hunt's
address. It did not see the carriage in which Mr. Hunt
was.
Re-examined.-1 saw the persona assembled, but I
can't say is what numbers. Trey were not in military or-
der: If they hail I might have guessed their numbers. In
August last I hail nut beard that Carlile was convicted of any
crime. Mr. Carlile's trial had not then come on, and I must
presume a man to be innocent until he is Paned guilty. Had
heard in August that Wooler was tried, but I don't know
that he was convicted. I r saw yon in company with
either of them. Cie me I never saw in my life. I slept one
night before the meeting at my mother's, the other at wry
sister's. two miles out of the town. The people its Ilii
held had not the appeatance of regular troops. I saw lea
large staves. Tin people did not appear to me ready te
light for Mr. Mont if there should be occasion, for *et WI

•
-TRIAL OF MK HUNZ
AND OTHERS.
MOUTH D:ll.—Vonoc, FRIDIT EvaNlxe.

The Court met this morning at the usual hour of nine, and
the e►idence for the defence continued. The examinations
to-day were directed to disprove the terra► said by the pro-
secution to hale been felt at the assembling of the meeting
of the 10th of August. The principal witme-sea whose de-
position.' were taken were moat resimrtnble merchants, ma-
atifacturers, and other inhabitants o: Manchester. The first
witness called was

Robert Wright. who. being examined by Mr. Hum!. de.
posed—l live at Hollywood, abont five miles from Nlan-
ehester. I ant a list-mannfaeturrr. I remember going to
Manchester on the lath of August last. My house is shout
a mile from the main fo3'i. between lees and Mariehester.
I went to see the procession. I saw the Oldham, the Roy ton,
sad tiaddleworth divisions. They were perfectly peaceable,
and walking in a kind of orler. They had considerable
numbers of women and children mlxed with them. I saw no
large sticks or bludgeons. riev.made use of no improper
language. They neither insultea nor assaulted any person.
This was the procession which had the black flag. I took
my horse and rode to Nlanche.!er to see the meetlog. I did
not go in any of the processions, nor have I any connexion
with those called reformers. I reside in the neighbourhood
of Mr. Duncough. I 33W nothing that created alarm for my
person or property. thongh I am a man of considerable pro- ,
perty. lam n married man: I have a wife and family • I
leg them to go cud see the ineetlnrs. It was assembled when
I arrived. I arrived on the field nt•sr one o'clock. I was
there half an hour before Mr. Hunt came on the field. I
took up my station In the field near the line of constables In
the space between the hustler( cad Mr. Buxton's house. I
observed thwondrict of the people: they appeared perfectly
peaceable. n, saw note of aids aimed with krge staves or
sticks shoutililoGed 'es ♦ soldier;higgiderg his Musket. I did
not obarrve orb le staff. Tae ground. tone‘hieh I stood
was high..aatl could see all the crowd : hut I saw no heir
sticks or stases shouldered. I reruttinei, and saw the mili-
tary come on the ground.
Examined by the t'onn'e.—l saw them advisee towards
the crowd. Tice crowd cheered when they came on the field
at Mr. llex.lon's house ; the military cheered again. I heard
no groan intr. hooting, or hissi % lien the military advanced,
that Indicated resisfasee. I heard vothin- said on the hust-
ings est orwagieg resistasee. I was voids W yards of slit
hustings. and could hear what was said. I saw Nothing
thrown at the nraftery; I saw no sticks Wit spin appoaition
to them of in defiance of them. .

Esamined by Mr. liVNT.—i saw nothing that riveted any
alarm fur the barely of the town or of my property. When
the military arrived on the ground. the people Merrell. and
the military cheered again. There was a little panic ih the
outskirts of the crowd as the military appfotebed. I heard
a cry of „Be firm." and I thought it was intended to allay
the fears of the people. lest some accident should occur la
mole running away. The sudden running away would creole
dauger. Tigre use a panic when the military approached.
and the ewers from the multitude rather re-assured me. I
saw the infantry arrive in Dickenson-street. I did not hear
Mr. Hunt say, turning to them. " There are your enemies
put them down, and. haying got them down, keep them down."
In the advance of the yeoumnry to the hustings. they passed
within one yard of me. During their progress from Mr.
Button's house to the hustings, I kept my eye upon them.—
There were neither large stories, brick-bets, Cudgels, or blud-
geons. hurled at them. When the cavalry passed I did not
see the people close in again. The people endeavoured to
make their escape, and did not press on the yeomanry. I
heard no expression of alarm at the appearanee of the meet-
ing before the military arrived. I heard no request made by
the constables, at the time of the approach of the military.
to have room to serve a warrant. I did not hear them state
why they were proceeding to the hustings. I remained dear
the line of special constables all the time. I was on the field
till the dispersion of the meeting.
Cross-examined by Mr. ScsacrrY.—l thnnght the mili-
tary. as they vluteer,. were going to take somebody on
the hustings. I sow the constables near them. 1 was shout
forty yards from the hustings. and I retreated abcut twenty
or thirty yards nearer Mr. Duxton's house. When I had
f.ne towards the beatings. the line of constables was on
the left. The crowd was very thick towards the hustings.
I attended the meeting of January. I was at no meeting of
blatiketeers.
How did you reeelve notice of the meeting I—l saw it In
the papers.
The .11ameherter nbrerrer I—Yes.

Do )O' take in that paper?—No.
Did you ►ee it at the village, or in what house did you
see it?
The Court objected to this as not evidence.
What number of The Manchester Observer did you see?
—lsm w the baturilay's met before the meeting. I obser►ed
in it the requisition, and the sicnatUre of persons rrduested
to attend the meeting. I went to the meeting as a spectator.
I expected Mr. Hunt to speak. I did not know Carlile, nor
hid I heard or reed. at that time. that he was indicted for
blasphemy. I say this on the best of my recollection. I
cannot recollect now that I had heard then that he was under
prosecution. I did see The Manchester Observer regularly.
I cannot recollect that I bad read in that paper the account
of the Smithfield meeting. I attended the meeting in Ja-
misty. at which Mr. Hunt presided, hilt I was not at the
dinuer after it. I knew there was to be a meetins on the
9th. I had heard It spoken of. and I had likewise heard
that it was put off. I know the defendant Johnsen ; I have
known him shout a year.
Where did you see him first ?—I cannot reroilcer. I p.m
his shop in going to market, and sometimes rill in. I hare
read in his shop the newspaper; never mi.rh. I never saw
any paper but The Manchester Chserrer in his shop. I
never heard him read it In his shop.
Will yon swear to that?-1 swear Ido n,t r...olleet it.
How often have you been in his shor %bout I dozen
times,
How long did you stay?—Sometimess nt.n..te ind some-
times half an hour.
In that time were you not employ ed in readinc p dales!
publiretions 1-780. I du not recollect. I !wirer spot: to him
of Ccbbett's arrival. I bellee I saw it first in time papers.
I have seen The Manchester Obserrcr in other places
sides Johnson's shop.
On your oath. were you not desired by h,vn to "end the
meeting of the ifith?-1 think be asked mar i` I wrsolot attend.
Did he tell you who was to be there?—lie said Mr. Hunt
was to he there.
And Mr. ruffle i—No, he never spoke of him. All 1 know
of Curiae I saw in the papers. I never heard that he
opened a shop fur the sale of The Rersblican. and Nine's
works, but uuly through that mediates.
Did you tier real these worts !---Nevet.

no atom
' By the COURT.—Front seeing the divisions you could
Judge whethef they hltd been drilled !
I thought they might walk as well if they bad not been
drilled, I should not think, from their appearance. thin they
had been drilled. I saw some of them in the greets. I
eoold tell by hearing the approach of a body of noes. whether
they were regular troops or not. There was nothing of
uniformity in their step. I did not observe that they were
locked in walking. In the debt the people pressed very
close to the hustings. I think they were too close for offen-
sive operations.
William Thelwall.—ls a builder at Manchester ; was there
on the 16th of August. Ills house is about 900 yards from
the plats of meeting. Has a wife and family. His house is
in Lloyd-street. Srw some of the processions coming in ;
they came in a peaceable manner. Ile felt no alarm ; neither
did he hearhis neighbours express any. Has considerable
property in Lloyd-street. There was nothing in the ap-
pearance of the processions d:fferent from those he bad seen
of benefit clubs. Some few had sticks. There were a good
many young women amongst them. Saw no shops shut op
until evening. Was at the meeting about half-past twelve.
He saw no one armed with long staves. Where he stood
was the opposite angle lo Mr. Burton's house. Saw the
cavalry artist!, and form in front of the house. Saw theta
approach the hustings. No resistance was mane. There
were neither stones nor brick-bats thrown at them ; If there
had, he should have seen them.

Crosa-examined by Serjeant Caoss.-1 stood neer the
Quaker's Meeting-hone*. bat farther .lows. 1 know John-
son; never itIIPW him until about three dais before the 16th
of August. Did not know any of the others. 1 bad sees Mr.
Hunt Lefore at a miming at Manehrster. 1 took no part in
the proceedings. The meeting 1 was at was the one Mid In
Januar). I heard no etpreasloa of alarm before the 1011 of

PRICE SEVER Pint

' sworn 10, .o slohdoodr a milheardi ary
of additional constables having bee
fore* brought intothe Deign hour-
jhouodstices. lohfatdwoaleosoihnes. i eatird that tiroiiid
there was to be
tio
a osepuwi.etlaugonfatrrylo
measures. I am sure I heard no etrpraiskns of alanii
amongst my neighbours, on account of the people essemblinv
I knew a meeting was to have been holden on the Oth of An-
pet. I did not understand, however, that it was for the pur-
pose of electing Members of Parliament, Tike those of air-
°thighs's. I have seen this notice before. (A placard was
put into his bands, signed 11. Hunt, for collie( tie meeting).
Re-examined by Mr. Heme.—l can't swear that I have
seen a correct copy of this before the meeting.
Robert Grundy called.--(The winged* 'Welled to give his
evidence, until he hail had his expenses ; let Mr. Justice
BATLIIT said, he never knew of a Judge in similar eirevidi-
stances ordering his expenses to a witness. Mr. 11 uNT said,
so far as he was concerned, he was quite willing to pay him
his expenses).
The examination then went on.
I sat is the woollen trade, aid-live at Salford. I ILK r
efaeseseirellea tits44tlt 64 Ansel tal set sae •Niewer--
the prooseoeas coming in. It was sliest kalt•paet stiles* •
that I went to the field. I acted es a epeeist constable. I re-
mained in that eapeefty is the held until about half-past one.
I hate not given In my depositions. I staid in the field until
you came, and some time afterwardi. I remained until the
cavalry made their appearance. The several processions
were coming up in the mean time. I cannot say that I was
in the line of constables, but I was very near them. When'
I stood might be from l 6 to to yards from the hustings. I
went to Iluxton's house after the cavalry appeared. Toe
meeting was then partially dispersed. The parties came up
in an orderly manner; there seemed to be four or Coe
a-breast ; the had colours and music. No particular isn-
presslon was made on my mind at the moment. They were
as peaceable as It was possible for such bodies to be. I did
not observe any staves, but I believe some had sticks. They
were walking-sticks, such as people generally have when
they come from the country. I did not-see key of them offer
any insult or violence to the respectable pooptelleere. Wheel
I stood within GO yards of the hustings, the people promised
very close against me. I did not then skew my stiff. and I
think they may not have known that I was a special consta-
ble. Some of the constables did not exhibit their staves.
I saw the cavalry arrive.
By the COORT.—Was any opposition made to them ?—I
did not see Cny.
Any thing to intimidate them ?—Nothing that I saw.
Nor any groans or hissest—l beard three cheers. and I
believe the soldiers returned them. I did not hear bootlegs
or hissiogs, or groaning..
Did von see any stones thrown at them, or urin the air!
—I did not, my Lord.
Hail you your eye on them es they mere advancing / No.
I reeeded &little; I wished to get out of the meeting. This
was ntie right of the cavalry.
By . Ili:MT.—Had you any fears for your own safety or
the tows from whit you saw?—Not any until I saw the ca-
valry come upon the ground. I understood it was not the
intention of the Magistrates to interfere with the rimed's,.
and therefore I wins easy on the subject. Upon this under-
standing. I felt no alarm from the touduct of the people.
Did you see the yeomanry saw them come up, and the
people about me tried to get away. Teem was no resistance
offered. I then, for the first time, begin to be alarmed for
any person.
Cross-examined by Mr. fikillatZTT.-1 was a *fettle ern-
spenotableesfoorftworoopyear! . beifoarme.
foirbeblaileamme t.isei kr{ generabmird 114.
ditillings bathe heighbonrhood often before. 1 dill met beer
any 'Rine amongst my ocqueintanee or friends gift- sleet-
ing. I have no connection with any persons who were there.
The bodies marched. They did not appear to have leaden.
I said they came in sections. hat by that I only meant that
they came some abreast. 1 did not see them in the streets.
Those that went into the field marched like a file of soldiers,
a-breast. I did not see that any of them had a mark of di',
tinction. or command. they marched like persona who !aid
been drilled. I doh% knoll that their appearance confirmed
in in) mind what I hod heard of drilling. I don't mean to
say they walked as regular as soldier*, het they were a little
more orderly than persons walk in the street.
From their manner of walking, sin you think, on your oath,
that they had been drilled 1-1 do think tLey bad some in-
structions.

Did you mean to say, that the impression on your mind
war, that they had been drilled I—l hare said I believed they
got instructions, bat of drilling I know nothing.
How many werethere I—About 80,000. but I don't know
much of public meetings. Their conduct was quite peace-
able. As they came in, they formed round the hustings. I
can't say they all brought up their banners to the beatings..
I was never nearer to them than from 16 total yards. I did not
try to get nearer. I remained with a friend of mine, a spe-
cial constable. I saw no reason to be alarmed in Manches-
ter, after I heard that the Magistrates bad determined not to
interfere.
VII put you a case. Suppose at the: meeting speeches had
been made of an inflammatoty nature by various speakers,
sod in ridicule of the local authorities, that is, the Magis-
trates, I ask you, would you be confident that such a meet-
ing would be safe in Manchester?—l think speeches of that
Lind always have a had effect ; hut as I never beard such,
cintlht give an answer.
trupposs a speech of this sort. " The farce of petition
is now over; a million and a half of men have petitioned
for Reform. the greater part have been rejected. and none
attended to. And should the people ever again stoop to any
thing like petition, they will deserve what they now suffer
for their dastardly conduct. But we are confident that the
Spirit of the country will never again condescend to pray to
those whom the people themselves ought to delegate. the
most determined men in the corntry are in the ranks of the
Reformers. Where can the clans of corruption find writers
of equal talent to Cobbelt or resolution to Cartwright. Ate. ?
Behind you is starvation ; before, the battalions of comp-
lies. On all hands we ate nothing but great Noblem.-1,
Plowmen. Pensiooers, and a horde of black cattle whom
they call Bishops, Fundhulders who consume 40,000,uti0.,
a 'ear of the public money, and those who give you a bullet
when yea cry for bread." Do you think, after hearing such
a speech as that, there would be no danger from the mob..
[This waft pert of it speech of Mr. Hunt's at a meeting in
Smithfield.]
Mr. Ht MT said this wall not proved to be a speech of his,
and it might hare been made by the Learned Counsel him-
self, for aught he knew.
Mr. dcaat.rry.— I s that decorous,
Justice BAT LIM—I think the question may be put,
not as purporting to be words used by you, but as a supposi-
tion of the Learned Counsel himself. He may ask the wit-
ness his opinion of what the probable effect of such words
would he upon such a multitude, sad In the temper in which
hedeseribed them. _ . . .

Mr. HUNT bowed. and the witness said I should consiJer
such a speeds very improper.
Ity the Ceu nx.—You are asked would It produce anger !
I can't answer that. I am no politician.
Did the people appear to you to be of the labouring dais'
—Generally speaking. they were.
Were there not complaints of distress among order
in the neighbourhood?—A greet mane.
From wits" you saw and knew, did yen think they were
'discontented I—l did think many of thesrcriarg Maisel were
discontented.
Did you *lnk then that a meeting of mien persona would
sot be Waned by such a speech se this I—l woad
from mike speech to thu lower class, they would.
Did you see la the Misserbebter Observer an am:cunt of :6 •
resolutions passed at timithiield !—No : I don't real it.
/Suppose a resolution was proposes! like this, •• That laws
tad taxes ought not, in connimme, to be obligatory 'you
dam wbrbad no voice in making them. l'her It la palm—
ated, after Ma Ist of January, IWO, sot to submit to ens