The Statesman.
London, England, 1812-01-10 00:00:00

-STATESMAN.

prejudication of any particular question might there-
by be occasioned. Ile was aware of the force of this
objection on the present occasion, and was degroos
of guarding the House and the Public against any
premature impression which the ingenuity and elo-
quence of the Hon. Gentleman was calculated .and
likely to produce.
The SPEAKER held, that it bad been the uni-
form practice of the House to confine Members
giving notice of • motion, to the precise purport of
the motion, and the day on which it was to be brought
forward.
Mr. HUTCHINSON then gave notice that he
should, on the first Tuesday in March, move for the
Repeal of the Legislative Union between Great Bri-
taic and Ireland.
Mr. LUSIILNGTON brought up the Report of
the Committee on Expiring Laws.
Mr. WHARTON brought ih a Bill to Repeal the
Duties on Coals and Culm, and to enact other duties
in their stead. The Bill was read a first time) and
ordered to be read a second time to-morrow.
A.ijourned.

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tl,O Mastership le Chancery, bet generally thepractice
of rewarding political votes by such appointments.—
In advertingto the case of Colonel *Mahon, he
was not of opinion that the Hon. Gentleman opposite
(Mr. Croker) had entirely removed all its objec-
tionable qualities. The principal feature of blame in
thz. transaction was, appointing him (biting the re,
us; of Parliament, to a situation which every one
must know to be a sinecere, and therefore an Locum-
'crance upon economy in the expenditure of public
money, and fit only to be abolished. The Ministers,
1.? thought, might, with more d..cency, have wait-
ea till the Parliament met, for there were no duties
attached to the situation which called so imperi-
ooiv fur performance, that the omission of them
urtj'll have been injurious to the public service.—
'I.:, i:itimatio, of his provisional nomination which
h I hem made to Colonel M'Mahon, and upon
0 oi6l so much stress way laid by the Chancellor of
t:i, I..Achequer, appeared to hint extremely futile and
nugatory. The same might be ..;airis to any man re-
c„.ivn,,E; any species of appointmont. To what did '
it amount What actual efficacy had it, as far as
regards the' I,7,empion of the appointment ? Could ".
it pow be taken from Colonel M'Mahon without 1 Arr. Mail% Due.
sono other remuneration being given in its plat.'? He p 1
E:' Ent %v:sh to be con,idered as haring any personal ( °
0 . . Cadiz '.
1
loost..lry towaras Colottl.l.a•Nialtott. He wac t man a . Ularin
of o!tem he never heard au evil report in his !if ~ so ! 0 • Malta ,
i 0
Lameksa n•.:s his conduct, bolli pe,lic and private.: . 0
11. e was a faithful servant of his Royal Master. But 1 1.. Auhelt !• •.• - 4:l
i„ tho!.,;ltt Ministers had acted with great impropriety 1.
l'lliCE 010 STOCKS THIS
~...1.-1..4g tho Prince Rte: at. to. reward his sepias.
y, ~t - - - ,-..
i:.. i:(...1 an `tt;pointment. With regard to this itti- 3 nir t.eut. eons. 53).}
ro;n::.l:tet of Mr. &alter, as Clerk of the Council, ° turf Own. fled. r/4 3
tt- hull .u, outer objection to it than as it eas the 1: 11..c1::::*N7:,., 93.1 4
avltis of hr;te;iat another 07c2maninte Parliament. , Long. Ana. it.*
Mr. R VDIAL.-hrreved again, t.tar Mt. Buller's si-
t-, ttten was Pot a recant appoint in•eitt, Lut a rover-
,;.utary one of twentF-ftve years standing. In roply
td tita Hon. Mcrnber's (Mr. Whitbread) observation,
teat on detriment to the service could have en,ttAl by
I.eeping the place of i'a)master of the Widows'
tensions open flit the moeling of Parliamem, as it
i, 'volt eti no irapot tant duties, he would ask the (nes-
tian, what inilry had h.;ett done to the public by the
aipointtnetit, ntoditicd as it was ?
Mr. AVILIFBR EA 1) i epliNl that the obj ection, was,
tha! the atwolutniort; recognised a principle which he
To'::Prd..il as ltylly dangerous and reprehensible, that
et *uestuaing public money a ithout adequate service

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THE STATESMAN.

LONnON:
FRIDAY, JANU ‘litY 10, 1812.

The most important feattl:se of the Debate in the
Hn•!se of Commons last night, is the motion of Mr.
CRLEV " tint this House resolve into a Committee
on to-morrow se'nnight, for the purpose of- taking
into consiieration the places and pensions•held by
Members of the House." To 'his constitutional and
very reasonable proposal, the CitAvceLt.ott of the
EXCHEQUER objected, princivally upon the ground
that the acceptance of a plzce by any Member of
Parliament vacates his seat, and he can no logger

for it.
MATIIEW MONTAGUE spoke a few
wools. in which he professed himself to be one
n 40:14.11 it was that public services should be
:et, in:, ti b% places ; and t-!,at he did not wish' to see
CtiVl.l iirfielit abolish all sinecure appointments until
a su•li,•i lit sum be provided as a means to commies
'i• the.c lio would be thus dispossessed of those
they eon held.
The .110i.,e then div:ded—
For '.tr efrevey's Amendment . 11
Fur the original Question . . 54
The llonso Miring ;one into a Committee on the
I.r a vela ing to Sugar, certain resolutions regulating
ti.e• trade between Martini:Die and the other Islands
iu in West li:dies, recisn'i4. rateured hr this cnuu-
• were nglet.cl to, sal a bill ordered to be broaght
it...ccordiugly.

remain a repre•seitative. of the people, his
, constituents, after knowing' what he. has done,
shall think proper to re-elect him. Were the mode
of alerting Members of Parliament as pure as the
original principles of eur Constitution require it
should be, we would then give credit to Mr. PEIrCE.•
v.ll. for his objection to the proposed inquiry, but
when it is notorious that Seats in that House are
bought and sold every day, and, that this traffic is
aot Ntly winked at by Mioistese,-Iset aottrztly de•
feuded by them, it is absurd fe pretend that the
mere vacating a seat in_ Parliamer t, on flur ac-
ceptance of a place or pension, is *Alit:Vitt to
prevent the introduction. of •improper percon4 into

the [louse of Commons. These appointments in
fact, as they furnish the means of bribery and cor-
ruption, give greater facility to the practice of which
we complain, and clearly shnw that unl,ss a cure
is applied immediately, it will unhinge the whole
fabric of our Constitution. In the course of the

debate, and on the appointment of Cot. WtblatioN
being alluded to, Mr. %%rumens:AD took ormion to
remark, •nut the Colonel was a faithful servant of

the PRINCE REGENT, and a most honourable man, of
hom all spoke well, and no one could speak ill.--
But the matter did not rest on the merits of
Colonel :H•_ll.atios's character. The state of the
case 'as simply' this :—ln the interval between
the last Session of Parliament and the present, a
sinecure place became va-cant: a sinecure
_place

.which had been recommended to be abolished, not
less than 29 years ago, and twice at a later period.—
Instead of wa►ting for the determination of Parlia-
ment, as to the continuance of this place, what did

the Ministers do i They recommended to his Royal
Highness the PRINCE REGENT to fill it up, as if it
were a place whose existence was essential to the
very well-bein; of the country. From the report

of May and June, 1810, it appeared, that no dei-
ties were performed by the principal, and very
kw duties. by the deputy of- this place. What
detrimeht, then, he asked, could it have been
to the public service to have suffered it to remain
vacant _until the present Session of Parliament ?
If it were possible for Ministers to have wished to
cast odium and disgrace on their Royal Master, this
was, of all others, the very appointment which they
shOuld have recommended him to fill up.Tbey could not
have possibly devised better means for the attainment
of such an unworthy end.. But the truth was, that
the thing was done for the purpose of saving the
place altogether. When once a person of the high
' character of Col. M‘Minow Was appointed to
how easy was it for them to say, and' how- plau-
sible would be the argument,—" Oh, is this the
way that you would treat him who has been so faith-
ful a servant to his Royal Master Sarely you
will not be unjust as well as ungrateful: and if the'
place which has beet: conferred upon him: aa.tbe rep
ward of his honourable services is to. be done away,
it is at least but just that he should be remunerated."'
reply to these coaclusive observations, Mr. Se-
cretary Rims chose to my, that he would answer
tke question of Mr. WSITIMILAD by putttog another,
mutely; What disadvantage was it to the pablk sevc
I vice to have up the, situation' now enjoyed- by
co, its bpi WI dote satibetetelk4 Amosi ,

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option of Parliament ?—To this it was answered by
Mr. WitivettsAn, that there would undoubtedly
have been an advantage to, the public by keeping it
vacant, as a saving of the public' money would
thereby have taken place. But Mr. Cue'Nor's
motion was lost by a majority of forty-two in fa.
sour of Ministers. IVhof after this, can expect
that the present Mouse of Commons will reform
itself ?

Our Correspondent at, Portsmouth, writes us as
follows, under date the 9th Instant :—.44 This morn-
ing arrived at Spithead, his Al.o EST v's ships Pgra-
nuts, Captain DAsuwoon ; and Ariel, Captain
Ross. Immediately on their numbers being made
out; the greatest anxiety was visible, in hopes of
obtaining sbmc intelligence of the Hero, St. George,
and Defeice; numbers were waiting the arrival of
the boats-.from these ships:—we are sorry to say
they could give no account of them. The 'PNrainirs
and Ariel, left Elsineur (to which place the con-
voy had bßen forced back in consequence of
bad weafhbr,) the day after Christmas-day, in com-
pany with his MAJESTY'S ships Crescent, Captain
CluiLLlAss ; Woodlark, Ernest, and Censor. The
Ranger left them off Gottenburgh with the Ardent
and Dictator. The Crescent, -Woodlark, Ernest,
*tad Cenra were telt off Yermonth, with the re-
-Wants or t convoy, on Monda-fUst. Tile Officers
of the Arad say, they e:aperienced most' boiiterous
weather, and when they were outside of Eisinear
Castle they were some of the convoy dismasted, and
one or two in shore on the .Swedish side. The first
intelligence of the loss of the Hero, Captain J. N.
Ntwx.tst, was off Yarmouth, where they were
boarded."

TREMONADLE ASSOCIATION IN IRELAND.
The Dablin Evening Post, of the 7th instant,
which we received this morning, give; the following
account of the discovery of this pretended plot : .

had, on second thosights, written to Mr. Gosierati, to my that
he mould be glad Love Lord Fivnam. on Sund.y; but, as Mr.
Gnarraa had returned to hi, lieu in the country, the letter had
followed him there, where Mr. ritivrran bad written in answer,
that the matter did not press. Lord FINGALL, replied,
ATTORNEY-GENERAL, we felt that it pressed on is to/make Cho
communication as spredity as pocotste.
" We have now stated all the facts that have come to our
knowledge. Wedo fearlessly ask, do those facts re mire any
comment The existence of a Treasonable Conspiracy is disco-
vered—The Law Officer of the Crown refuses to bear of it othi es!
'wise than in due form of Lasc—he is afraid to receive intelll.
genre important to the State, lest he should admit detegatt'au-7
and lastly, be postpones o4tainiug this knowledge, from Satur-
day until :ilonday : it was of count., quite imponible, that the io-
tention of the Membeis of the Catholic ittee,tomake.thedis-
closure,ure, should remain a secret. 'the ihsplicated obtain time, from
Saturday to Monday,to abscond, or conceal themselves. Good God,
WRERE DID THIS COMPIRACT caustics? We ask our OEM-
tr) men, of every description, where could this Conspiracy have'
commenced ? We, really, are apprehensive of answering the
question! But we will say where it did not continence. it did
not commence with the Catholics, who have used their evertiout
to put it in the power of Government to have Bout. It rid net
originate wits them, whose fair, und, °them Ise, eer.ain hopes of
Enmocipation would be blasted hythe existence, amongst thens,oS

treason or disaffection. It lid not originate n...tincit the
who have no *ish to strengthen the Lute of tac present Adviiii-
st-ation, by giving them thoseweapors which or always be re-
sorted to in times of our .ukase and didoyolky. No—whatever
it be, and whoever compose it, f. is a Conspiracy agaima: the
Catholics—anJ, being confined, as it most be, to a few miser-
able apes of the lowest order, it is a Compiracy qiefut to th.
Admin;>traliun!—Vte a:cuse no pc:son—we inidut^ nods ing—
bat we call upon Government to exert itself. The Members if
Are Catholic Committee lave placed one link of the chain hi the
bands of the AdininistEation—it Is their duty to unravel the en-
tire chain. Let AVMs! ttiiiipiratorsete:diicentritAL-itt Asa as
xosts!!!"

The Metropolislas not on any day In rue memory
of the oldest inhabitant, exhibited such a somure ap-
pearanee a., it has done throughout this forenoon. In
the City, the shoo, suhscription and coffee-horses,
merchant's conntiog-houses,&c. the lamps and readies
were lighted for the transaction of bosiner..:, as ge.
nerally, thotigh with less effect, as at any hoar In the
evening; and even in private houses lights were woes.
nary for reading, Ste. the same as at night. .In
the principal streets of the city it was impossible to
distinguish the faces of the people at the distabce
of two yards. Indeed, they were darker than they .
usually are at midnight, as .the lamps were not
lighted. The Royal Exe;Ange, oil which ere oc.
casionally, at this hour (noon) many hundreds
of persons, is quite deserted. At Mark-lane no
business was done, it being impossible for the
buyers to see the samples of corn distinctly enough
to enable them to buy, without giving the sellers,
who knew the quality, such manifest advantage over
them, as to deter tin from becom.; ,; purchasers.

' Upon this subject, which has engrossed an much of the con-
versation of the metropolis for the last two slays, we are enabled
to Pay before our Readers an ACCURATE NTAI'EVENT of all the
facts which are known. OD the AUTREETIOTV of our statement
the Public may repose implicit credit-there are the facts: -
About eight days ago, a Meeting was hold of the Trustees of
the Charity School belonging to the Catholic Chapel in Church.
street. The School-Master neglected to attend at the usual
hour, and arrived in a state of intoxication, as the Trustees
Iwere about to disperse ; he was severely reprimanded for his ab.
scour, and required :o state the reason of it. Ile endeavoured
I to excuse himself, 'saying, that he had been detained by inspor.
Itint business-but, as his duty required that all his time shoeld
I be devoted to the school, the Trustees refased to admit any such
; excese, and then he stated irtnatly that he had been enraged in
! the business of Ike new .ISTo.•iu!ion, to one division of which he
said he aas Secretary. The nature of this Association was
inquired of him, and he gave the following account :
I That it was an association instituted for the purpose of sepa-
-1 rating Ireton/ from England, by forme of arms-that it had
alba for 04 of its otajecasrai...rtiefatien,qf degsge-rthat, hew-
: e..-er, the aanst Retire person be knew of ki it was.a Mr. Fisese,
a PeoT• 1r VIT, who had avowed hint end the other venous he
eneneed in the pl-tn, that it had tiae sanction of the OATS `LIC
Consul-rip, and that \lr. Hay was their Private Secretary-
that he had been supplied with a blunalerhios, and many others
1 st..Te armed, as it was easy In procure aring nut u!• the Stores at
t,',.; l'asite ! -and that an attack was shortly to he made in Deb-
' lin, as they were assured that the garrison Was at present very
I u •mk.• -Such was the substance of the statement made by this
I ' man. The Trances adjourned to the newt day, and then called
him Iwfcre them. Being sniper, he wished to conceal or retract
the feets, hut, being cloudy pressed, he admitted that he had
: become a member or snub an Aemeial ion, and repeated the ac-
count Is- had gisen the preceding evening, with this addition,
tut he h-dieved the name of FIttER was not a real, but as as-
sain,rl name. The trustees instantly dismissed bim from his
I employment es Schotal.annqtr, and entlauvoneed to make him
scmible of the crime he had committed, and of the evident false-
' !mod of the representations that had been anode to him. On
Thursday. the Yd, those facts were communicated, for the first
i time, at the rooms belonging to the Catholic Committee in Capel-
street, to Mr. il.ty, in the presence of Major BRYAN. The
I
sientleman who made the communication was not present at the
examination of the School-master, and it therefore became ne-
-1 cessary to ascertain the facts from some person who -Am. 'lbis
could not be done until Friday. On that day several members
of the Carbolic Conimittee met at D'Ancv's, in Earl-streets
and the facts being stated to Mean, they unanimously resolved to
communicate the entire trmsaction to the A'rTORNET.OR:
NERAL, in the presence either of Mr. GRATTAIE, or of the
KNIORT of KILIRRY—a precaution which, circanataneed
as the Members of the Catholic Committee were, they
thought prudent, and mold not be Improper.—Neither
of those -distimptishcd Gentlemen were its town on Fri-
day s bat eIIpfESSEE were sent them, and alto to Lord Frneasa,
who walla Killeen Castle; and early on Saturday morning the
three arrived In town. It was the opinion of those Gemlenten
that They leght, In the Ora instaneeslo wait as the Avronstav-
GVIZRUn tosinfarm him that Lord Finaattand some other Ca-
tholic Gentlemen hada communicating' to make to him, torch-
ing the existeoce of a treasonable emispiracy-that they were
then ready to make it-and to know if the Arroneer-Gmart-
nat was ready to receive mem for 'that purpose.-This course
war acconliagty sttlppted. Mr. (:RATTAN and Mr. Farman-
was amordingly waited en the ATTORKST(IIDIRRAL, on SDP
turday lost, and stated the object of their visit. Mr. Arroanno
Gwent st wasi not theft '4lO I . '',s'.l: 'l' "3 matenicatiowl-
We understand that boasked if there were any informations on
oath-and recommended to Lord Irantesu. and theothee Gentle-
Ma is go bane, a Puke Magistrate, and give their infoensatioa
to hiraemid, that the usual any was to go before& Magistrate-
and did not -soon to Mink it at all seessaarg to test the Catholic
Ocatleason himself! Ife• understand that ,the Armature-Gl-
imam. was stmagly pressed to receive the Communication, and
It:submit it to the Iris) Governmenttkat heaskak Srbether the
Gentlemen maw to come to hint at alasetursittes‘Ltio.whieh the
Knight of Kerry replied, ' No, Fir, they wlllwak 41" jos &sorely
as iritlioidnals.' • t.
“ At length the stsroassey-amenstaaappolnied thithoor of 14, • -
on Menslay,- the '6th, at Mr. Poaa's Oakes in die allade, furl It-should be mentioned, to the honour of Messrs
-tvieiviiie the comiainieados.a-' -Resold, ha sasatodlo g 6 to his Bowan° and co..tbat, obent a week before their
corsair seat, and sappier-it Wee could 4ie taw deader in the missal
salsa! The Earl of Rhas', e Major Baran, and Mr..O'Cant- 1at °pi/lilt, they returned to. their cnstotners all their
oots, were aprohnoi to go to Mr.. p"se osce if thSt hoar._ i sho.
fa u
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osekeesion imideby the School-maslies-gave la' kW nam, ties date Allti will be lore/ memorable for giving Birth,. in
the aamsemill hofdencto of nine of the rnotemmbe were Its apsi Moods; tb k 'State Lottery of onIfTWEIvo
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NAVAL INTELLIcir..NCS.

PLYMOUTH, Jaw. JAN. B.

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Arrivid the Clara, of Dartmouth, Wm. Field,
Master, from Waterford, with corn ; the Active., of
Yarmouth, George Pidgeon, Master, frOisderk, with
butter.

The Dotterel' brig of war, of 18 guns, Captain,
Daniell, is expected to sail on Friday next with the
trade for Lisbon.

A line-of-battle ship is now lying too off the har-
bour, supposed to be the Edinburgh, of 74 pas/
from Portsmouth, which ship, in company a ith the
Malta, of 80 guns, now lying in Cawsand Bay, are
expected to proceed immediately to join Sir Edward
Pellew's fleet in the Meditorranean.
PORTSMOUTIT JAw.

The Topaze, Captai.i II i tey, which is arrioed
from the Mediterranean, and who is now under
quarantine at the Motherbonk, left Malta oa the Ist
of November, where were lying the 44ehille and Fred.
riehsteits men
.of war; the 2'opor.e left at Gibral ar,
the Smiftsetre, sun two other men of war. The
Topctze's convoy has been much dispersed, and but
few of them arrived with her. Some few have time
arrived.

Tin: rest of the West India convoy, so long detain-
ed here, under the ciask., Captain Collier, Past the
Needles yesterday alte),.oon.
This day the Mediterranean convoy, under de
COMM, with the 1/strnts store ship, John Fox,
Master; and Weymouth store ship, Thomas U •
kins, Master, sailed with a fair wind. Vol haws
an immense riumoity of fire-arms, annumitieu, mod
stores, for tLe Spanish Patriots on those (*OM% that
border on the kediterratiean. Three transpl rts
sailed with them, having on board t' e 7th battalion
of the line of the King's German Legion. The%
troops are going to Sicily, to which pace therwerri
destined previous to the arrival of Lord W. Hem.
tinck from Sicily.
Arrived the Pyramus, of 40 guns, Captain Dash.
wood, from tie BSI& ; anti the Ariel sloop of war,
from a cruise.

The Hawk, of 18 guns, is come ■p to Spithesa
from St. Helen's.

DEAL, JAN. 9._
Artive# the Pittard frigate from the BaL
Sailed his Majesty's ships, Aboukir sod Cumber'
land, far Portsmouth.

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