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LONDON; WEDNESDAY. JULY '26. 1820.
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" The rause for which ILIAIPDEN felt in the Field, void SYDNEY died oft the Scaffold!" PRIG: SEVEN PENCE.

IMPEICAL PARL/.f.►lß.vj.
HOUSE OF LORDS, Ti riDAY, Jt Lt 48.

The Roval Arseut was notified by Commission Jo
the Capital Felonies Repeal Bill, the Privately Steal-
ing Bill, the t:apital Felonies Commutation of Punish-
ment Bill, anti a few others..

The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the
Earl of Shaftesbury, and the Earl liathnrst.
The Insolvent Debtors' Hill was returned from thl
House of Commons hr Mr. Hrogden, and other Mem-
bers, with the amendments agreed to.
DAME LAWS.—Lord CA LTIIORTE moved for an
Account' of the Commitments under the Game Laws
from ISI4 to the present time. His. Lordthip
his object was to ascertain, as far as possible, what
effect had been produced by the recent Acts, altering
in some respects the Dame Laws. He regretted that
no reform had yet taken place in the general system
of the Uame Laws, which he could not but consider
as adapted to a period far different from the present.
when land was considered Coe only reputable property
modern times, however, a wealthy and luxurious
class of consumers had arisen, independent of the
land, who held out irresistible temptations to poachers
and a still greater mischief arose front these eircutostati-
ces, that such species of frauds upon the law were not
looked upon with any abhorrence. Such a state of
things bolded materially to weaken all respect for the
laws amongst that class upon whom all the other
classes of society mainly depended, namely, the agri-
cultural class,and he trusted that no long period would
be suffered to elapse before sonic effectual reform took
place in the system of the Dame Laws:
The motion waa agreed to.
THE QUEEN.
On the motion of the Earl of Livenroot., the Papers
orNtentt.d to the House by his Majesty's command re-
[afire to the conduct of the Queen, were ordered to he
returned to the Secretary of State fur the Home De-
partment.

Ihe Earl of SIIATTEPDMIT 11114-1,1!: Inured, which
was agreed to, that the Committee appointed to search
for precedents respecting the Means of enforcing the
means for enforcing the Attendance of Peers on the
second reading of the 11;11 relative to the Qneen, and
to consider what arragements might be necessary for
the accommodation of Peer•. &r. on that occasion,

have leave to report from time to time, presented, and
read the following Report
" Ist. That no Lord do absent himself, on pain of trimm-
ing a fine of one hundred pounds Inc each day's absence.
pending the three tint days of suet proceedings. and of fifty
pounds for each subsequent des 's absence from the same ;
and is default of parasol of any yid every such line, of
beisg taken into catMedgs. •• •
" ed. That seesaw, be admitted, save disability from
ape. viz. being of the age of 70 years and upwards. or from
sickness, or of hsv'nt been out of the realm in forrien parts
on the 10th day of July instant, being the day on which the
order for the second readimg of the said bill Was made, and
continuing out of the same, or out of Ureat Britain, on hie
Majesty's service, or on accouto of the death of a parent.
wife, or child.
" 3d. That every Peer absenting himself from tier or
sickness, do address a letter to the Lord Chancellor, stag
log, upon his honour. that ite is so disabled.
4111. That the Lord Chaneellor do write a letter to the
several Peers and Prelates of this House, in the following
terms, and that a eopy of each of the said Resolutions do
accompauy the same
" Nly Lori-1 am commanded by- the House of Lordsto se-
quaint you, that the House expects your Lordship's attired-
*nee upon the second reading of the Bill, entitled. de. Ike.
on Thursday, the 17th day of Aueust neat, at ten of the
do k, in the forenoon ; and that it lathe further order of the
House that no Lord shall absent himself from the service of
Cie House on tl.e second reading of the said Bill, or on any
of the subsequent proceedings of the, House upon the same,
without leave of the House, upon pain of incurring the dis-
pleasure of the House.
"House of Lords, 1 am. my Lord,
"July, 1904 Yonr Lordship's humble servant.
"P. S. Ime directed by the Honer to send your Lord-
ship the following Resolutions" (see the foregoing Reso-
indons).
"51h. That the Committee have been attended by the
'Surveyor Greens' to the Board of Works, and by John
!inane, Esq. Architect. to this House, and have inquired
of them as to the additional accommodation that could be
provided for the number of Peers who may attend hide
House Upon the proceedings on the said Bill, and it is the
opinion of this Committee, if the House shall think fit,
" That an humble Address be presented to his Majesty,
to request that his Majesty will be graciously pleased to give
directions that a gallery be erected withiu the House for the
Accommodation of the Peers who may attend this ilense
upon the proceedings on the Bill. emitted de. de.
" And that a space be railed of below the Bar for the ac-
commodation of the Counsel. Agents, Solicitors, Wituesses,
and others, whose attendance may be necessary on the said
Bill."
The Resolutions and Address recommended in the Report
were agreed to, and the Address was ordered to be pre-
sented to his Majesty by the Lords, with white staves.
Adjourned till to-morrow (this day.)

HOUSE OP CONIMOiS. Tussetv. JOLT

giesiperker took the Chair at half past three, and
the VOuse was shortly after snuituotied to the House of li
LorA. On his return the Speaker arquainteAl the
House that hr had heard the Royal Assent given to
several Public Hills.
GAOL DBLIVERY.—Mr. T. F. Burrom begged
to ask the Noble Lori, whether his Majesty's Minis-
ters had taken any measures to increase the nuniber of
Gaol Deliveries?

same period, specifying what portion was r ceived by
the County Clerk, together with an account of the
balances in the hands of the County Clerk, or Hegi.-
tear, from 24th Januar♦ to 25th December.—Ordered.
Lord A. illautt.Tow said, he understood the Irish
Court of Chancery Hill had been disposed of itk his
absence. He had entered the Howie before fonr otclock,
and as that was the hour fixed for the comment-mew

of public business. he was somewhat surprised to find
that a question upon which he telt a very strong im-
pression was already disposed of.
The Chaticat.t.on of the EXCHICQUISR said, that
when all private business was disposed of. it was the
practice of the House to proceed immediately to the
public business.
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Lord CASTLINZAOII said, that this important object
had not escaped the attention of his Majesty's Minis-
ters, sad that measures had been takes to remove the
'legal impedionests whirls existed in the way of a regu-
lar organisation of that breach of duties of Aimiois-
tratioa to which the Hou. Member hlesi WNW.
IRISH CHANCHRY HILL.-I—Mr. C. Qua* said,
that as some material alterations had bees 'Moho this
Bill is its progress through the other How, sea a
very larginpart of the Hill *tea oat altogether, *
should propose that the farther ermasisieratiosi of di*
stemware be postponed till aflee lMs mijoersusest.o..
Agreed to.
Mr. Larramto moved fur a moat otlltiaphiMme of
oases tried is the Comity Court of Alidilepesda the
last tee years, and the ammost of foes and eeeNdoe the

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ensiled between Lord l'aittermigh,
11r. Tierney, and the Chancellor of the Richequer, and
it was finally arranged that the Houce should meet to-
morrow at two o'clock.

LIBEL UPON THE QUEEN.

Mr. Wrrnantu., in rising to bring forward the mo•
tion of which he rave notice last night. regretted that
the subject had not fallen into abler hands. He felt the
importance of the subject, and his own inability to do
jounce to it, but he would endeavour, as tar as he was
able, I. discharge the duty which be hail undertaken.
It was a preposition, he cote-eked, which would not he
disputed, that the same protection ought in he afforded
to the Illustrious Individual, against w 1 a Bill of
Pains and Penalties was now pending, as was extended
to ordinary individuals in thr ordinary tribunals of the
country. Ile need not trouble the House with a citation
of authorities to abew that any publication tending to
obstruct Asher criminal or civil proceedings, eras a high
offence. The History of the Government and Constitu-
tion of the country, as well an the atothoritles of the beat
text writers, concurred in establishing that this was law.
He believed that he was corrret in stating thnt this was
a new case, and though be offered his opinions upon
parliamentary questions with great distrust and reserve.
be thought it would not be denied, that the House had
never in any former instance lieen called topon to exer-
cise what Ise still conceived to be its rights and duty,
namely, to maintain Its own free agency, aril effort pro-
tection against calumny to accused persons pouting a
judicial inquiry. Looking, however, to legal analogies,
If the Common Law of England afforded protection, the
House of Commons was b) purity of principle bound to
extend its protection unoba similar citormeistaures. After
giving tits best attention to this subject which the short
interval in which he had been able to investigate it per-,
witted, he thought the best womb! he to treat the pare-,
graph which he had read last night to the House as a
breach of privilege. A Message had been sent pl his
Majesty to the House, and upon that Message the Noble
Lord had made a motion for the purpose tot appointing
a Committee. After the adjournment of that motion, en
Address had been voted to the Queen, got oply not ins-
itlrilltcl6oldiency, not only nett asserting that g tilt
vas or expected, but from one end to the
osthea-implying the direct Contrary. It was an Address
which, so tar from containing any thing which could joie.
tify the abominable language of the libel, did not con-
teusplate the chance of her Majesty's conviction, or
glance at the possibility of her guilt. In consequence
of a motion made in this House to search the .nomads
of the Howse of Lords, the Committee rttrlninted for
that purpose found that • Hill of Pains an 1 Penalties
had been instituted in the House of Lords. The Rill.
therefore. was in effect a document common to both
Houses of Parliaoient, and this eirimoostance proved tloat
the House recognised the existence of a pending inquiry.
The Right lion. Gent. opposite (we believe the Himont-
able Member alluded to was 51r. Tierney) shook his
h•tetd, and certainly the Right Honourable Ilentletnan
never shook his heal' without prothoring a considerable
effect upon the individual as well as the Hosise—(a
laugh.), He maintained, however, that the Report of
the Committee was stillicient to sliew that there was in
ease a pending inquiry upon the contort of the Queen.
If be Was right, on this view of the subject, it woe's' be
for the filmset° determine whether it was rot its duty
to maintain its ewe dignity in those anornalotts c uses
which coukl nut be tried Isy the ordinary and
to extend that protection in behalf of the Parliamentary
delinquents, if he might be allowed to use that term,
which the common law afforded to the ordinary class of
slelinquents. The ease of the Earl of Stratford fur-
nished a striking example of the mischief, which ensued
from the neglect of Parliament to maintain its own dig-
nity and authority. The Hill of Attain err against that
Nobleman was brought forward in consequence of the
clamour raised out of doers, and Lord Strafford, in his
last speech, lamented that the House had Startle! Its
independence to be overturned by the chit:Jones, which
had been excited against him. rf the Illnstriento Person
now accused, were suffered to he 'mooted down ivithont
the walho of Parliament, the obvious inference would he,

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time shit minthi not be fairly tried within—(hear, hear.
hear!) it priding the trial of her ignorer.* off crimi-
nality, this linear allowed her characer to be rasa down,
if guilt pas* be imputed to her, and conviction anti.
ciliated Old a doors with impunity, the House Moillal
abandon its Independenetend its fret ageney, and suffer
its judicial %nelsons to be artpereeded• by rumour. It
was tree that 'ltemise of Lord Stratford was not in all
respects similar, but it was sufficiently analogues to fur-
Gish a warning to the House of the consepieuces *bleb
nolFht rrsalt from a similar disregard.uf whit w,ps due
to its own dignity and diameter. He was not to betels!
that Wisher% of the House of commons were not likely
to.be hithleurod by the gross louring. of inch libels a•.
had beensliaseminated against the Aileen. the Neese
was *Ord in some of its Olden the .. fonntain of order
and regularity," and as such it was boned not to leave
Ilao accused in an unprotected state. If the House did
mot consider this to boa case involving a breach of their
priv b
ileges, it was then to be determined whether they
iasieri .ve not boand to interpose the ordinary forms of
jhe meditation, and by lb* • of the eOlllOlO6
law. He would take the Hinny 6 eitieg upon this.
paint the aathority of • a Judge. whose jostigusend was
rl aline and iervogs aid Wham heart never arrayed
g,
the dictates of vi pme.—he alluded to the We Lard
itniperough. To call-a person crimiiiii hefure trial.
phi that Comrseil Jo in the case of the. King v.
anslsers wilt bad of the atteniptl hi pervert pub-
& "win. The bee MI Letrneti•Manther thee
rilloadieseil of dos ambak which was h prosecution
ata ileelvia whiehtbewebabilitg at n 011,04011 was its-
/swat fran•cartaia as pa* -tbdasuala, iis au ulitiaiit,
Apjf proeeeded to read extracts fotkatlocd Mow
rib'i judgment. EllealsoreuA pootaeoced
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~it to 'but bollfflaitit more idarilkil was tbr
slioallect et libelist, • wise bad easbd SI" pailikll
• de wadi that bar: 111604 daured &Se be wail
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miffed to Bridewell and whipped ! In this libel not
merely the probability but the certainty of guilt was
assumed. It was impossible to conceive a libel involviog
a swore flagrant breach of every manly and Christian feel-
ing, or which called more loudly for the interposition of
the House. Another Learned Judge (Lord Hardwicke)
had decided, that the publication of the proceedings, even
of a civil case, was a high offence, and ordered the pub-
lisher to he committed, berastse, by a remote possibility.
his (the Lord Chancellor's) judgment :night be it:-
dimmed by reading the report. Another Noble and
learned Judge, who might be considered the peculiar
guardian of all the rights connected with the press, had
decided, that the publication tifa printed letter relative
to judicial proceedings, was an offence punishable by
the Courts of Law. In the rear ISO 4, Mr. Justice
Heath, a Judge eminent for die hitch integrity of bit
character. anti his profettod skill in legal wiener, deli
erred a similar opinion with respect to a publicadot ,
ten ling to ereindice the case of au Excise Officer, wha
ass charged with a murder in the execution of his office.
He won d nut cren permit him to he pat upon his triai,
because it was scarcely possible that lie could be flarly
tried by a Jury, whose minds were inflamed and preje
sliced by that publication. He would not occupy the
time of the House by multiplying authorities, hut he
would appeal to the judgment oldie House, whether, in
common fairness and impartiality, that protection which
was extended as a matter of course to an Exciseinat ,
should he denied to the Queen of England ? Was Its
Majesty the Queen, the niece of our late Sovereign, to
hr left unprotected, when the Common JAW of F.nelarld
threw a shield round the meanest agent of the Revenue ?
The alternative view which be took of the question was.
either that the paper was a breach of the privileges of
the Homo., or if nut a breach of privilege. that the House
was bound to interpose, upon the broad awl general
?round of the Common Law of the country. He should
conclude by moving that the Paper be laid upon the
table; and that the Attorney-General be directed to pot-
...cute Mr. Flyndell. the Editor of The Il'eslens ',L-
egume,.
The SPEAltrIt inquired whether the Honourable
Member wished the Paper to be treated as a breach
4( privilege ?
Mr. WETIIENRI L said he wished in the first instance
to make a motion to that effect, and if.it did not su,e
treed, to proceed to the other alternative. The words
upon which he more peculiarly relied were these,
6, Shall a woman, who is as notoriously devoted to
Ranchos as to Venus," etc. It would be neceratr),
hswever, to read the whuk Paper to compare this pas.
huge with the context.
The Paper was accorilingly read.
Sir M. CHOLWELIT said, it was lamentable to ob-
serve the obscene and lieentione matter with' whitli
the press teemed. It would be 'hardly pomade fur
Members to rehire to the4-feesititele K tbill-rilt"
*ere not' solemnly token sip by sawriimtle-.• life jadi-
Impst sad opinions of the public were in a great de-
gree influenced by the press ; and it was most essen-
tial, therefore, that the licentiousness of throrditteey
channels of comninnicatioes should be repressed. He
cordially seconded the motion. •• .
Lord CA‘TLERZAGII said, he entirely roncurred Pit
the sentiments of the Honourable Member *lto had
jest sat down. No man Immolated more deeply thee
be did the licentiousness at which the press hadii•-
•eired, and he feared this country, which was once die.
dagnished among foreign nations for the purity wilt
which justice was administered. would become as re-
markable for the degree of license which was give?'
to the basest and most angry passions. Witft respect
to the libel which the Honourable and Learned Gen-
tleman had brought before the Hot-e, there coeld ton
exist two opinions upon it. Whatever observations he
(Lord C.) might hare measles to make upon the
come of proceeding recommended by the Honottraide
admi• Learned Gentleman, he begged to 'sante the
Home and the Honourable and Learned Gentleman
that no 11131 n could feel greater indignation at this 'pnle
Sestina than himself. It was impossible fey any, Ism-
man Irving so doubt that the publication in question
was a flagrant libel ; but he doubted whether, under
all ;he eireametaaces, the course taken by the Hon.
and Learned Member was the most pendent that.
could have been pursued. He wished it to be ilk-
fleetly stederooosi, that it by no means necessarily
followed, that titia,publication would have posited nee
spliced, became die attention of Parliament had odt
beets railed es Abe subject. It would be stbeeered,
that the date of the libel was very recent, and it ha*,
is tact, attracted the attention of his Honourable site
Leaned Friend the Attorney General. Whether.
amidst the confliol of libels, it was practicable Ilse Mt
Law (/beers of ehe Comes to repress all the mischief
produced by tbiegyealliessel Castlereagh) wend hi*
pretend te demobs. The duty of anintedvertibt Oil
on lime gheass:Crime however, one which desuitri
Ewe per upon the Law Officer' 'Of the
rwe Ileso 's legal advisers. lie dill lot •
wean to tat do Oa ought so be passed oort:te
itteloptir
silence, Itsamidast help ebeervinethat the Ilb.
64111raislo Lessened heat imam had plated the Hone
is a sift by ed,* calling its attentiontier to t
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subject. is wenW have bernne the Honourable afid
Lesiva Clestiessne, before be railed. the attentive
of Perilous* Midge subject, to look around him, MAI
see whothoe there were not other qoarsera, to which he
might have dieseted his indignation. If the Fiends
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iatorptieeillia this cue, it should do justice with Of
*MI MIA. It au jut that the tisane Fretted/a
dwell be *sanded to the Wiial•lPOS wh kid bytes ri
, down W the preen of this country, tad eektberetretre4
with. eeessaiaaties. If she Mao. and losAied.Heallet
mut had divested hie atteaties a that poikisr %I.
frees to which he Misled, be wash lure fee lf • •
laveirie, a is.,, direst latriageseas of the ti ,
'at this Howe than that la which be Wad were . i.a.
their attosaioa. He trOaid read Night. Nu • "*"l..
*Mar la grarshd a complaint aro diem, b. 11.;11e
of his spook. some passages of Ali deer '.
die last ..usher of rhe ItseiwieNr [here
Lord nod levees, pa u- 6.Bllllll•Prliairitivig
.teothof riper, Cavities a/poi/Hag :tkiiii
„me" resses, trideireeNdertal Mn ilteige IL :///riti.
imisisd de Mesa to a civilised esitikty Nif elli t
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