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ferred. —The higher the rank of the individal, it behoved case, which called on them toinquberinto it: The
The Motion hiving been seconded, , the House to be the more guarded in their conduct, Gentlemen who composed the Committee might per-
Mr. C. LONG said, hi bad never heard any ores. ias they might rest assured that the public would view • baps think that their functions were limited to the
sure less Parliamentary than the present motion. ' that conduct with suspicion and jealousy. . right of seat, and did not extend to the guardianship
The subject of the Weymouth Election had been re- I Mr.• ROSE said when the. House delegated the of the privilege. of the Houses- ' • - . •
ferred to a Special Committee, and that Committee ; judgment on an Election Petition to a Committee, Mr. MACDONALD' da Sitieleilre that this
had determined on the whole of the case. The fact i theyaled to them the cognizance of every mate charge should be bredefit forerwiftle In the. Commie*
Mb that there was evidence concerning the interference !ter arose out of the question before them...-• tee be was of opiniensithat it trieVii"vehy' bad thitb
of Peers before the Committee was a reason for not I There was 'AO instance where the Horse had ever' that such charges were preferred, but be Ihoaght Ka
entertaining the present motion, as it was a-proof 1 looked.into the proceedings of a Committee to see . much worse thing that such ages were irresistibir
the Committee must have determined en the subject. 1 whether there was any thing else worthy of notice, proved against his %oral Highoinethe Doke of Cann-
Anaccusation had been made respecting the iaterfer- lon widith they has not reported. If such a practice berlsod. To the majoriti of the Oommittee It ape
(ma of some of his Majesty's Ministers, end he 1 were tOTerated, it would be in the power of every peered that his Royd Highness, acting as a'ttustee,
was astonished to hear that he himself was alluded Member, of all times, to bring every Election case was a justification or his conduct : of that reejority
to, and from the manner in which his actions had ; a second time before the House. . 'he was one. It was also thought by the Comsnittie,,
been coloured and exaggerated, he supposed thesame 1 Mr, WHITBREAD rose amidst cries of question ! that it was discretionary, not obligatory, with them
was the case with the Duke of Cumberland, whom question!—observing that he should be glad if some to report ou any collateral subject ; and with this
be had seen accused in an ex-parte statement of an :of these Gentlemen who had made up their minds, opinion he also agreed. But be did not think
advocate, published in a Newspaper; a measure and were so clamorous for the question, would that a justification for withholding from the House
Which be had hoped the Committee would have re- favour him with some of their arguments against the all knowledge of the transaction, particularly as
sented. His own parkin this business was this—a' Motion • for hitherto he had remained quite uncoil- it appeared to him that his Royal Highness's inter-;
relation of 'his at Weymouth had been kind. enough vinced.by all that he had heard on the opposite side. ference arose out of a systematic intention on his 1
to say, that he would vote for any one whom he , The whole gist of one Right Hon. Gentleman's rea- part to procure to himself,. .to the exclusion of the
(Mr. Long) would recommend, and he(Mr. Long) soiling was, that by acceding to the motion, the other trustees, the administration, nay, the agency
having, in writing a recommendationhaving, accordingly,! Committee would be placed in an awkward and em. of the Borough. The' Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Used the plural number, it was proved by. a logic berrassing situation.
.But whose fault was that?— Long) who appeared rather sore on the question,
worthy the discovery to which it had been applied, I Had they not done so themselves, by overlooking from a'cherge although without foundation; having
that " we" meant " his Majesty's Ministers." This 1 this flagrant invasion of the freedom of election ? , been made against.hint, had said, that he was ineetse...
interference was construed as destructive of the free, [Hear, hear !]—His Noble Friend had stated in Jule°s as to the charges made against his-Royelailih-
dom of election, though even the tyranny of Jaco, the most express terms, that a Royal Dike had in- . ness, on account of the want of any foundation fog.
biniens could not allege that men in office should be : terfered with the rights of popular election, and in the charges against him : bitt before theelcargevinst
precluded from exercising their elective franchise. ,' contravention of the resolutions of Parliament, In his Royal Highness could be discredited, the Right
The advocate was. right in saying any 'thing to ad. ! two several ways: one was, that he gee the writ for . Hon. Gentleman must get rid of the letter of his
Vance the cause of his client, but as the Committee Weymouth into 'his'hispossession, thus obtaining the Royal Highness, which had been allowed to be, as-
ked decided on the matter, he should reove,• at- an' controul over it. To this it was replied, that no an. theistic by every person. He had no hesitation In
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Amendment, the Order of the Day. . 1 due delay ensued: gist it-might as readily hive been saying, that if the transaction alluded to had been
Mr. Alderman ATKINS said, that the Commidee the Royal Duke's interest to send it expeditious]) ' as completed, and it was completed as far as depended
of which he had the honour to have been 'Chairman,' ta delay it; and the simple act of getting posses on his Royal Highness, it would have amounted to
had decided on all the evidence, and judged the sine of the writ was an infraction of one of the an. direct bribery. He did believe, that there Was no 1
Charges to be uorqunded.. A specimen of the charges heal Resolutions of the. House. The second charge doubt in the mind of any Member of the Committee,
of the interference of Peers, was one against Lord made 'by his HOW! Friend was, that the' Royal but that the conduct of his Royal flightiest was in-
/livers, brought • forward with great .eolentnity.-- Duke had writtWe ; letter „to e, ,Mrs. Stewart, ' 'decent and hirProper: The question before the House
The witness said, he bed told.a.segri Lord 'Rivers' rug him to .nuppert
~ ilehrd.• tvas, *Ned the; was extremely narrow : when a Member of 'Perlis.
would -he lettered -to- hisreifeisr-sreerld•-•rotir-firr .invalle;, ' intense -et- Weyeteethrewsho reMilleig 7 meet state& -that he• wet abtvio. prove! trox*yrola...
and such candidates„.•;•••4 6 Q. Bad yea Lord Rivers': that be would,. use his bites** wish(. Lord Liver. j tion of.the privileges of the House, and of the tree.•
setberity for saying se i-h..A. -Not ,lenty • knew it"' pool to procure hint a place. It appeared, also, 1 dom of election, could the ears of the House be deaf
would be agreeible to him- that that candidate should 'that the Duke of Cumberland had got connect.. to-euch a charge? , .
be returned. —He did - not' know with what pros ed with the borough by being Trustee under a will, *Lord 'BROOKE, as pee of the Committee, felt
priety the House could entertain the question which• in which he had three Commoners partners with himself called en to say a few words in mower to'
had been determined by the Committee. As to the him,—but that he took upon !dwelt the sole ma- what had fallen from the Honocifeble 'Gentleman
obtaining the writ, many Members of that House. nagement. Here, then, was influence and inteifere i who spoke last but one. The letter, as it was read
must have practised the very something, and uo irs; ' ence of the most palpable description ; and it was . by the Noble Lord, had' receleed.a..diftrent inter.
convenience had in this case resulted from it. I really astonishing that•the same men should attempt : pretatiou from that put en it by the Committee; the
Mr. W. W.WYNNE said he should not hare to get rid of it, who, in a former Parliament, in the i Committee went into all the matters et, the Petition.
troubled the House, had not the speeches of the two ; case of the Hampshire election, had raised such an 1 In answer to the Honourable and Learned.eventle=
Gentlemen who had preceded him contained argu., outcry, because a Secretary of the Treasury, him- I man (Mr. Abeieromble) he would say, that if this in-
manes totally subversive of the principles of Election ; self a freeholder,. had written a letter to a • friend, terference had occersettsethe Committee in the tight
Committees. All Election Committees were Courts I requesting him to vote for a particular Candidate.—' of any this'll flagrant, they would have reported it
of Judicature, to try ender the Act of Parliament, llt might be in .the recollection or .tiny Gentlemen, Ito the HOW. HO wished the House to pet confi-
whether the sitting Members were elected, and after that a hideous clamour was then raised against this ; dence in their Committee, and to 'believe that they
a Report ou this subject, which they presented as of exercise of an undoubted right and privilege, by bad done their duty, and -taken all • the einem- ,
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The following is the account given of Cneaers
right, they might present any special Report, which some who now deprecated any' investigation of the I stances oe•the. ease under 'their 'consideration, If ,fewesToi, ihen in Switzerland, by GINION, the
it was at the option of the abuse to receive.° He grossest and nranifestubuse. What, heseroeldisb, 1 the Comissitterehave come to a wrong judgment then rlliatoriarele-0 Mr. Fon gave ma two days of free
had never heard any thing so misconceived as ' the I was the Order of the flay ? It wise Hill, the Pm, i 'it was eespeteeefor any Member of the Hoek to ! and Ptertite society. He seemed to feel, and even.
present question by the Gentlemen opposite. The I amble of which set forth that gross abeses had tame !wing the whole business under the cOnsideeatioa of I t 04411, the tapping of my situation ; while I ad-
Noble Lord (Lord A. Hamilton) had read evidence ('place at the last WeYmouth electihn,; end new, when i the House. , He was apprehenilve, that this measure i mired the . powers of i superior man, as they are
which he had pledged himself to authenticate. if it .vas offered to be proved that other gross abeseilropesed would lead them to interfertf withstheit&W ' Weaded VII his attractive character with the softness
this were correet, no eitecould doubt the existence "took place on the same occasion„—when, indeed, _we : Won or the 'Committee. It would be tricasferring.! and simplicity of a child. . Perhaps no human being
of a breach of privilege. - What was the answer to .doubt could exist on the sehject,.--it was said, no; Nei Hedge into an eppeuantjurisdictisio. ' was evet'more perfectly exempt from the taint of ma.
this ? The Right flonehrabte Paymaster of the we will overlook these, and legislate for the other.--1 Sir T. KONtrii, (roused the osothM„ On the 'Miele**, vanity, or falsehood."
Forces had said) that this evidence against the Duke Meer, !Leer !)—lnconsistency likathls would 'aria illrotund that it would ;Words precodeat of the House I Baron Wissitesucta, the Austrian Minister, ar.
of Comherlood muse 4e-exaggerated, becidie the doubtedly piece the House where it. was said the , entertaining, by way of appeal, nattereirliich by en dread its town on Monday night, and is at Boomer's •
. of an advocate's.* to the Right Honourable Committee might not to be House,,
anowkwardi Let of Parlbuiteot Wee. TOON ti _et COnaitteL ilsee_lv in teiCeltGralquare'
Gentlemen's conduct was not true. The ifimourable and embeerafeelt situation in the eyes of the peofile,'. (Re Olen mad several Are. 0 the veer,' to prove i BlSLlWilil•AltliCaterP.-a-at seems this bottle will
Chairman of the Cemnettee (Mr. Aikido) had rea- ':whewiSulCsail, with *oh eteelgrenee of truth, shit • that the Cemitritteerha he ptirettiltegYits_ettui re- .i fill take place be FridayillWtlilliteiglibourhood of
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soneit,,ehat becsaeo there was' no evidmite ageing Ahoy statintid eta gim‘white,they swallowed a camel. i pest on infealitibrerTiattewitWt.lersebseL) .54 .otobniy, Molisemix. havini.)bieß balled ; he is two
Rivers, there was none against the yaks fig 3estes.4 of correcting abuses, and strengthening tine 'allowed thatthe House might epee or disagree with to sue the favourite.
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ftom a Member of tita-i:'•illustrious Family who
might owe day sit on the throne of these 'realms,
The‘Bight .Hon: Gentleman then dwelt on the tel-
preseies of. a Member of the Committer, who had
stated:, that perhaps it would be better not to advert
to the conduct of the illustrious Duke, pnless It had
been-etteimelfilagrant. Was the House then to
renderotant that tudesstibe conduct of men in that
,elerated Statism were °lithe most ilagrant nature,
they were not to take notlloe of it, while it affeeted
their priageges-?._{fluen Afar!]-He thought the
Housf beinudio ifiteefefila this case for the prefer.
ration of their rights, lid for the sake of public
*nisei; for,:from theArpressions to which he bad
aireadralluded, it wool& be inferred by the public,
that if it were not that a Member of the Royal Fa.
wily was implicated; they would have ,indicated
their rights. He was convinced, that unless the
House neW interfered, Biey would ;mite have more
ilrlgtant ithitancei of those interferences,
Two ;MEMBERS, whose names we could not
hear, explained.
Lird A. HAMILTON said. a few Words in re,
ply ; after which the, Hoose,diOdst; when there V'
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On oar ne.idosio the Gallery we found Mr,
__BEILCROMBIE on his legs, making a few ob.
fiertetione on the Weymseth Voters' Bill, arising
out of the Question that the Speaker do now lease
the Clair.

r. nrst, Mr. Abercrombie, Mr. C. W.
Wynne, Mr. Giddy, Mr. Ponsonby, Mr. Preston,
Mr.' Attorney.Generel, and Sir John Newliort
took_part in a conversation on this subject, after
which the Rouse went into a Committee on the Bill,
'which was afterwards reported.. Ordered to be
printed—and the Report to be taken into farther
consideration on, Wednesday neat.
Mr. Alderman ATKINS presented a Petition.
from the Corporatioti of Weymouth, complaining of.
nada, poictioninsupeit todisimivies
-Mr. MkDONALD prodstoitiVir canuter Petitioo*
mkt* mune subjeat, -, • , •
Both Petitions way ordered to 11..44 ibis table,
and' to be refeired &Ore Cogiiittes to whom
the Weymniitis Bill was'refersed,

SINECURES
, Mr. BANKES stating that he understood no far.
ther opposition was meant to be given to this Bill*
postponed the third reading till 'Monday.
Mr. I.7SIIINGTOINI,brpaght up the Iteports of
the Committees of Supply aud of Ways and Means;
both of which were agreed to; -anti dills ordered to
be brought in agreeably to the bites' Resolutions.
' The lankeepers' Bill was vend 'a second time...
Committed for to-morrow (this day).
Adjourned At one o'clock, till this day.

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jest which be had now' brought before them hal' Vl' Whqu i't;nerfaen' t: iti°:w.t:iriti:casrlell• . nuie fs...*ir ettemi' eel' ...woo; "'^ 1e
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given rise to • rumour that • the Committee would sheuld tie
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found an official report on it, and the evWeinie on ii. ire Aelerminailon •of thebeEleCti:un Cos ma
ma_ in. •ft 1 Pr. 2.BcbAlastirette4fee, Mote, 'bet eibirle artn• !de &flakiest—it would is, Ito'
bail been circulated through the country.in the news- that Committee was itCht
papers. This evidence he had verified by comparison 1 on any thing.eicrpt what cage under i
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Mitt the Minutes et. Osi timesittee. Ithillseild-read i its judiciareapWty. 11 "re ir: ' 'leriffigY slat nolorkof abiiii• ‘,.. • ••°•. , . Legiehliture had-filvathe Committee.
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. u might lion, be iboold himself bare Med tbein, for the 111°.
a letter Irons. the Dekisiof Cumberland -Which had should have toted against any main ry w mtg
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Id state that. some eiidence iiven the Lord,!a: n from the Act
been piblisised, and whighhe had compared as above. have affected the sitting Members..
splitting or votes w wore some,
The Noble. Lord thee read from a' . . meths his hand sible to know what' liars of the eTidence.wasqinipt.
- • wbebiight 'be allowed to-more for Abet evidence; but *kb te. our•
the letter from his Reply Highness, dated StATainee's, vial even al to the Bill before them, as . r pose of pomading the Iroise dirt it nu" mei ger
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other Member. Some of the extracts laid More them p , . heated. Porantaaahipad.diandtoio sio tb gustfilection .____
lissi a privatealiference its subjectwlthliestedi- werennintelligible for want of. die context. Ali 1 d The' q n for the lonsideration- of the Ho bets
sue those potters on Which .tbe Ciniesittee were called,
wh ftb . odes *a libel
date coneensing the blisimalkW.O. elklidhli.,::wbiclr thus, even ere to the Bill 'ou the sublicirbeftwe the i !°°9 . ° ° 111,----
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Is already before the pettlip,; asdniabd *aim froto ~ITotise,. there was sufficient. groaud fur' the present the tsa i josh rTM 0 was oil iiimosii.i. ter Ibis,
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this that his taus was.ealaMiehed. It had been said 1 ate tow. . 1 oaths to ea by the Members of the Committee was On the". keiiiii-O-Fr—villie Paid report or not.
of, es it affected the
' rich kg r than *the tof the Member they
set of doors that ilk Royal-Highrititeacted Only as a I Mr. BRAGGE BATHURST said there was every ; M e . . sea . I. i were election, they wens bound by, the /ow. to give .ed
trees, and this argemeattoust be supposed to hive ' thing before the House connected with the special 1 .bound to 4etpure into all the matter contained in the mint; however didiewit die case, the law Cott
hid weight with the Conswiktee; but there were three 1 Report of the Committee. ,With respect to the in- Petition. I Now the Petition in this case went be• pelted them to. died& between the competitors le a
4011ter inisteei who tiled- hue legally interfered in - terference„ to prove which was the object of the , yond de Splitting of rotes, and Complained of the dairsidif silietlesibut all Otter 'nes • , poi wereimatters
themetiois, but they Atheist Interfere salt appeared Noble Lord's melon, is was no doubt true, that the 1 breach of the privileges of thelloese, autspeeed to
.of &media., 'it might say, of iodilkie ; and the
that the Dohs of Combeilead wished to bare the 'Cominktee idifits lave' reported that tatter to. the 1, Use bees committed by Peers aid ethers. The Coin. I'
.iointnitteirmiglit Pasts `eta without notice. It
management of theArisee.bspiemsc The Hoisilmeki.House.; but after the Committee had decided on tis i Filttee did esquire. into sites mttters under the sane- was a tattier Wit/hate liddousit and Mate in the
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There was one fact which had-escaped him, which be.: Comintitaidei they did not:think this a t subject : a conlloatioe of jurisdictions. Members not acting ' much stress, it sirerild--be ',' ' a;
should state to them. The Duke of Cumberland 'to be laid before the Hesse. If this in rference on oath like the Committee, and differing in opinion -dictiOe'• 'existed alrEady • ii• every where a
had got into his possession the writ for the peak-ins I was he abuse, a point which he did not sh to as..; with them, might bring the whole of
i that jrnis-
every case, ex. `Committee repotted especially. That Report was
and had paid, the price for it.. This in itself was so ; sume,. it was better that W. 11180141 be left tirely to cept the seat, beforethe House, on almost every not biading,, but it remained with tikello to ;
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palpable an interference, that"if it did not rouse the 1 the decision Of the Committee, than that e House' occasion-. This would. be a greater grievance than whether then.%
re--mte.ttee w.ie right or wrong? Surel,
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House to reseat it, any attempt to awaken them to a •
should
interfere in it: . i that which the Grenville Act , was intended to re. the Learned Gentleman did not mean to say, that if
sense of their own dignity mould.:110 fruitless. He I Sir JOHN NEWPORT observed,
.t t in 'all : medy. It would open a door to party and Ministerial 't a matter affecting their privileges was disclosed in evi.
had waited for some time to see in the first place who- , which regarded the right' to a seat, the use were : purposes. .
. I, deuce, the. House should- not.examlise• the facts, he.
ther any special report were made from the Commit.' ' bound to agree to the decision of the C mmittee; Mr. BRAND observed, that if any Gritleume in '• cause they were not noticedlitt*Committee. The
tee, and in the nest, place whether any blember(l but on every other point it was discreti ary with ; his.pleee were to state that a peer bad interfered in I present wet{a question of Propriety—" Is' it fit that
that Committee would draw their attention tothe the House whether they should enter upon is cnnsi- an Election, contrary to the Resolution- of the I the House shouldinterferei" He contended that it
subject ; but having waited in vain, he could not see i deration or not. Ile was astonished that Right . House, would they reject any motion made on the liras their imperative duty,' where any Peet meddled
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the evidence circulate without notice. He should in i Honourable Gentleman (tier. H. Bathurst shook' subject ?—Why
:then reject such a motion because' with the rights of election; but they were mote port.
the first place call for the documents, and then, if the have the smallest hesitation whether a Pee of Par- such an interference had been submitted to a Cora- 1 Hedy. called upon to set, when the interference was
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evidence were at he described them, he should feel it !lament interfering in an election was an traction mittee, and that they had not reported it?—lle • not merely that,of a Peer—but was exerted by a Peer
his duty to propose some measure, which, however,. of the privileges of the House. Did not t Resolu. knew not why the Committee did not report it, butt
of Ihit' Blood-royal. For what would have been the
it would be proper at present to-abstain from deep., tion of the House expressly state that P should when a Noble Lord' stated the circumstance in his each if the lowest Nobleman in • the Peenige list had
milling on. His Lordship concluded 'by moving that I not interfere in Elections ? That the po sion of place, the House were bound to entertain his me- been concerned in such a transaction ? would he lie
there be laid before the House such pans of the Ito.. the writ for Weymouth by the illustrious ke was thin. . screened ltie the. House. as it was attempted to screen
poit of the Committee on the Election . Petitions ! a breach of that Resolution it was impossible to :- Mr. ABERCRGM RIR, though aware of the in.' the Noble Duke?—[Hear, hear I]-11its conchal,
from Weymouth and Melcomba Regis, as were not I doubt ; but they had the evidence of thelChalman convenience which would attend a' general inter- however, in a member of the Royal -ramify; he
included in the Report of the Committee to . whom iof the Committee, that.they .thought theossession Terence of the House with the proceedings of Coin. considered as a double breach of the privileges
[he Special Report of the said Committee was re: !of the writ was not a breach of their Resolution% mitees, thought there were -circumstances in -this of the House 'as coming from a British Peer • and