The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-07-11 00:00:00

had islarded parricide. lt-thee dowse wet,
and if, with other matters, the suspicion Ishii6 ..
existed out of elemrsa,oy was to be created by the sp.*.
within those wells, West to he made mater of hiefory,
what defesee amid' The present Ministers have against
the charge, that t were se notoriously unjust, that
Parliament felted see
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to,pdd a clause to the
Alien Art to pre t them from sending out of the
countrythe %Mendes which the Queen might Sod it ne-
cessary to call in het defence ? He had hoped that the
period having arrived; when the painful subject which
had so long agitated the politic mind was in a coarse of,
being settled judicially, that thatlikmuie would not, on
any occasion, he dragged into any further notice of it, I
until it should; come ref ularly before them. He should
therefore confine himself to oat single remark is his
Hon. and Learned Friend's speech. His Honourable
and Learned Friend t ought it matter of blame that his
Majesty's Ministers, Ting found it necessary (although
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with great relectan to bring the matter in question
Ostler the considerati of Parliament, had, nevertheless,
1 *bat he was pleased to call the weakness and the incoa-
sistencv to persevere to the last in enileavoaring to avert
what they themselves. what Parliament, and what the
country considered to be a great national calamity. To
himself, lie could assure his Honourable and Learned
friend, that he todk no blame for his share of the trot*
motion. Whatever might have been the effect of that
attempt' at conciliation, no man eould say that it had
Olt been made with earnestness. If the proceeding
Ooold he charged with boy error is that respect, it was
error of excess. Would to Don that excess had been
tenfold, so that the reek bad been more fortunate! But
is that was" past praying for," he bad the satisfaction
to know that, whatever might be the result of the me-
lancholy transaction, his colleagues and himself would
feel a consolation which they would not exchange for any
earthly advantage I that the last hope and chance of
avoiding the menaced evil had been most sincerely tried.
Hear, hear, hear!)
Sir
Jammi itlactierosu then moved the first and se-
cond Resolations, which were put and negatived with-
out a division.
Sir J. blacetscrose, in moving the third Resolution,
begged to make one or two observations. The. Right
Hon. Measlier, is an orderly digression, had attempted
to rebut the charges of vacillation and inconsistency
made against his Majesty's Ministers; he, however, at
the same time admitted that they did deviate a little
from the line of conduct originally proposed on the
question of the Address to her Majesty. I\ ow what was
this deviation but inconsistency ? Her Majesty was
threatened with the severest proceedings on her arrival,
and in three days after the House of Commons was
prostrate at her feet. There had been various Addresses
of Condolence and Congratulation to Princes at different
periods, hut never anti! June. 1820. was Parliament
known to bete presented an Address of .%olvice to a Sub-
ject. Theofl were the grounds by which his rote was
actuated, and upon these grounds he founded his censure
of the conduct of Ministers, whose duty it was to pro-
tect the dirtily of Parliament. The Right Hun. Mem-
ber opposite argued that the Constitution provided
against ell ordinary abuses of power, but that there
were some crimes of so atrocious a newt, that the law
did not provide against, but it never contemplated their
commission. Ho (Mr. Canning) thought Parliament
had no right to suppose, that it would be unraudid of
them to imagine an Administration capable of such acts
as those against which his (Sir J. M.'s) Resolutions went
to provide. Ho would repeat that it was against arts of
the most monstrous nature that the Constitution most
strew 1 melded. The Right Hon. Member had urged,
tha nstraction were no: moved, his Majesty's Mini-
have an opportunity of vindicating them-
eel h abstaining from the exercise of the power
mit. New brdenied that this would be the
ewe. The evil of width he complained was not theo-
✓etical. it was certain. Those foreigners came into this
eountry with an impression that Ministers had the
power of removing them. They saw such a power daily
exercised in their own countries, and naturally imagined
that it *wild be similarly exercised here. This would
product a bias which would act In a hundred ways with-
out any possibility of detecting it. On ibis ground it
was that he felt it necessary to press the Resolution.
The third Resolution was then pat. It was, " That
this Bill should not operate against any persons who
have, or may come into this country to give evidence
either for or against the Bill of Pains and Penalties now
pending against the Queen."
Mr. CANNING said, that if his Majesty's Ministers were
allowed liberty to act, they would have an opportunity
of quelling suspicion, but if their hands were tied np, as
they would be by the proposed clause, then they world
have no opportunity of doing away with any insinua-
tions thrown out against them. There was another
point in the Hon. and Learned Member's speech, to
which he wished to advert. The Hon. and Learned
Member (Sir J. Id.) seemed to insinuate that be (Mr.
C.) had admitted that the conduct of Ministers had been
inconsistent. Let it, however. he recollected, that the
motiud did not originate with Ministers. They acted in
the same spirit all through this difficult business. They
bad forborne to act upon the information in their pos-
session, until pressed to do so by the necessity of the
case, and even then they consented to a proposal made
to them by the very best authorit in order, if possible.
to avert the necessity of this painful' inquiry; and would
to Ood that that proposal had bees attended with the de-
sired success. He was sure that it would have been much
more conducive to the peace and tranquillity of the coun-
try than the measures now unhappily forced upon them.
Mr. So:Ammar, in explanation, hoped that no expres-
sion which had fallen from him is the course of his
could lead to the "opposition that be was seephse In speech
w.ctatioas of the dissolution of she present Administration.
H. was of opinion that the present Administration would sot
dissolve until they had ditsolvadtboconatry,—(Heir, Mar!)
—and that they would Ind persons to support them up to the
rgeWhen the country was dissolved, he had so doubt.
lillajhoy't Ministers had been characterised as weak.
Whet other epithet could be applied to them? Alen het
Majesty arrived, they came dope and said, that the neces-
sity of proceeding was imposed upon them. Now there was
no man who would go into society and expose himself to the
ridicule which such as smarties would expose him to. The
late oesociatio• gess the lie to the " paramount newssity"
of the proeesdieg.—lf any Gentleman was of opinion that fie,
ip the warmth of debits, bad sheen any piejudico or party 1 L
.
n our return
I Hoag on the silsjoin, he wished to see himself right. He ' po
meld smote* Hesse. that he entombed so such feeling. cam opposing
He wished to see jostles Impardelli dim iha mold alit ha P there was nut a
stating, that be Mt cerapessien, straw compassion ter the , ..
situation elm Wejesty, bate easnalsed a Biel- the building of I
log tar the past sal id the ewasmy, wiiah he 1, The Cnatecat.i
iiswere ti billisditados• I the economy of ,
el).;liennnssat ibserved, thati7Zattedhe entered the 1 sr r•
so 1%. asA LONA / T
likerre, he had no Wes that the Resolution now before yet 70,0004 but
800 Neese was as be proposed. Bat he could aot kelp sir. Mang aLa T i
the meows urged le support of that ammo heated a
paid' against tho oilstones of such a RM. and En- that these barracks
, of seek a masers, from 1701 ' ties ; if some a
to Jar be. . h NI& not to be roim"d ;' in which they Mare
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the statement. df tbilirdi I Lord Pstatlnsects
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respecting the Li turn at a time when she bad um rasp ►
.advlsee—whefl. Indeed, the had no adviser hat her •wwhigh
sad heacterabis mind, it was equally el& Illet. ANN
pettiest ageism her name being ex from be
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mildest the law (for he never yet any laweer mid
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meets coseeshrd IS ' tad . Mlokb le gain, Md. however.
been iatered lass b ' re. Ihrbbow not whits dos
Haw of Gammas would have dew, had dos imply
persisted in ; hat be hoped that there weil be
mem deem ally twisty-oft gentlemen bas
tartly to Oder thematkes to enter into Yesihe
disgusting Mattawan contained in the green bad MS OP.'
without • name, sad unsupported by any. salbsegai
thought it was a asesplimeat paid by the Noble *
Home, that this inqatry bad not bee. pressed open
The ATTORNIII4.IINERAL knew not upon whist .
`qty the Hes. and Learned Member (Mr. Denham)
Iblishal bis respecting the contents of the sailed
Oki it WOW be aspesitively attest that that evidence
man.unlbonded, and eunggrthy the attention of the Haan.
A great deal of irrelevallitotatter had been introdneaA hate
&question before the House. Toe questien to which he
to call their attentioa was, whether. on the reamed
loitir:Illill. a clause was to be introduced which showed
that his Majest)'s Ministers were viewed with suspoieb by
Parliament.—(lair ,l. MaeLintolh shook his bead.)--Blellen.
and Learned Friend might slake his head, but such leis the
impression which the clause would create in the, pals Wad.
On this ground it was that he felt it necessary lit open*
the Resolution.
Mr. J. ,p. tiaras! supported the Resolatios.
Sir J. Macimerosii eiplaided. After iiiii4 the
Resolution was put and negatived without it slisdipipn.
The Muse Then resolved itself into a IneAttee tbe
Bill ; alter which the Report was brought u to
be received to-morrow.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR if the Et i-
QUER, the Union Duties Bill was read a third time
and 1.5... ed.
BARRACK AGRERMENT.—..The report of the
Committee of Supply was brought up, and on the
question being being put,
Mr. CALCHAPT rose and Bei& this report on the
Barrack Agreement, he found, upon consideration, to
be neither more nor less than a measure for building a bar-
rack ht the Regent's-park for the Life Guards ; to the build-
ing of such a barrack he hod no objection. but he objected
to the terms upon which it was to be built, which were, for
an annuity for Si years of 6,4001. Now, the total value of
this was at least 80,t 10/.. and this sum motto belaid out for
the accommodation of only 437 men. In Glasgow • barrack •
was built of a lamer description for 16,0001. In Leeds
another barrack wee in progress for a larger number of
men, by 100. for 20,230 f. It/was assoredly better to bor-
row the money necessary to build the barrack. than to build
It on such terms as these. He hoped the Right Hon. Geode-
-1 mon had some explanation to give upon tbispolot. He had
, . to add, that he was informed that this barrack, questionable
1 as these terms were, was already begun, without going eren
' Into the forms of consulting the House. It was true. that
' the vote of 6,4001. had been already agreed to; but be or-
' : derstood that sum to be fur lodging-money for the Lite
! i Guards.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHIQUIR admitted that
this was a matter subject to the controul of Parliament.
He stated that this regiment had net been heretofore provi-
ded for. except in lodeings. sad the expense of these in time
of war amounted to 11,000/. a-year. Hint the peace reduc-
tions were made, which lowered that expense to 5,4001. a-
year. Now, the annuity proposed to be given in the present
case did not exceed that sets—it *toad only be for Si yeas,
sad, after that time, the country would have the barracks in
perpetuity for nothing. lie thought this a more advisable
plan than to go on from year to year. paying 6,400 for lode-
fag money, without any rrospeet of a eessation. With re-
gard to the calculation of the Hon. Gentleman, it should be
recollected, that at a former period an intention was enter-
tained of building a barrack for this regiment in the Regent's
Park, nod the estimates were then mad* at 1110,0001. Now
the real value of theannuity proposed did not exceed 70,000/.
and he did not think that the building could be obtained on
better terms. The person who contracted for this berm*
was a very respectable builder; it was time indeed that the
contract was advertised—Meer, hear!-but still it seemed
to him reasonable. It should also be observed, that the
whole of the capital would be laid out before the 'tenuity
would commence, for it would not take place until after the
expiration of two years. The solo now Toted was 'Wetly
for lodging money.
Sir J. Nr VONT. when this proposition was origin-
ally brought forwent thought It a very extraordinary one.
The Right Hon. Gentleman assumed, In the first place, that
the House would hereafter agree to the proposition for build-
ing these barracks. Now surely it was too tench at this mo-
ment to assume, that in two years hence the House would do
My seek thing.—(Hear, bear l)—And if the House should.
mg agree, then would so much money have been uselessly
, spent.
I The CLIAN ELLOR of the EXCHISQUER explained.
Mr. Wis.i.tAns said, lie would oppose this grant al-
' together. as no case of necessity seas mode for It. There
were barracks near Croydon, which would suflielentiy ac-
commodate the troops in question.
Mr. ELLtcs objected also to the grant, for he
looked upon this proposition only as a part of a system of
bunch building, which was already spread too widely, and
which be strongly reprobated.
Lord PALstearrort defended the grant. Every one
would be persuaded that the improvements of the town
would be facilitated by removing the barracks, which at pre-
sent remained In the most populous parts of it, and the dia-
cild of the troops improved by separating them from the
people.
Mr. lionnox saw no reason why, if we were hitherto
paying MOW. a year for temporary barracks. it should in fu-
ture be paid for permanent ones. Could not barracks be
bad cheaper. be asked? The House bad already voted
86.0001. for ttisrbarraeh service of the year, sod not • word
was said about the grant which was now asked. For the
mune &aeon that the Noble Lord thought the measure ought
i to ha adopted, he was disposed to take an exception to it—
namely, because the soldiers were to be kept distilled trout
the chiles'. This was not the policy of our ancestors.
Lord lit VNING spoke in favour of the plan.
Mr. W. SMITH opposed it.
After a carnation bet..veen Sir Wu. Ds Cilia/40NT,
Mr. T. irmsox, and Mr. MsssuLtv, the House di-
vided, when the numbers were—
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rig the Resolutions, on the ground that
room enough for public competition in
f these barracks.
ILLOR of the EICHIQVCR expatiated upon
if the plan.
tax asserted, 8,400/. a-year was worth.
but 84,0001. odd.
LIT gave notire, that be weold move
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explanation was ant thou of the asoile
Illave to be bulk by the Secretary at War.
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Pas toad a Nome dose without a division. •
BILL.--11.7p0s Ike qaestiou on
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