The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1842-09-27 00:00:00

CORRESPONDENCE:

TO -THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD:
letter appears in the Mail of to-day, _ signed
" J. \V.," containing some uncalled for remarks on the pre-
sentation to Oldham-street. They seem to emanate from
the same quarter as those which appeared in the same paper
some few weeks ago, and which, untrue or unfair as they
were, were carefully forwarded to the young minister him-
self, in the hope, doubtless, that misrepresentation and un-
truths would effect what they well knew a fair statement
would not do. The article of Saturday last, signed " J. W.,"
has apparently the same object in view, and resort is made
.to. the same unworthy and most unmanly means of effecting
it. -The trustees and shareholders did not sign the CALL on
Wednesday, simply because they were hammed that it was
unnecessary on their parts, and the documents itself, in
which trustees and shareholders, &c., are mentioned, was
opened only a few minutes before it way laid before the coo-
gregatiou. As no document of the kind ever was done jus-
tice to in one day, time being allowed, the matter, so far as
the trustees are concerned, if not already done, will be easily
remedied, the shareholders will quickly follow, and there is no
fear whatever of the congregation doing their duty in their
own good time and way, so that this unfair and roost unfeel-
ing attempt to disturb the harmony of the settlement, and the
returning harmony of the entire congregation is likely to fall
as harmless as the other attempts from the same quarter
hitherto have signally done.

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Respecting the trustees, and mhjority of the shareholders,
declining to hear any more candidates, it is answer sufficient
to the insinuation which the accusation covers, that %they
could not do so without again dragging themselves, and the
congregation, through the mire of contention, out of which
they had just emerged.
Liverpool,2-ith Sept.

AMICUS.

TO THE EDITOR OF TILE LIVERPOOL STAND.-IRD.
Stu,—A correspondent of the Mail, of Saturday last, sign-
ing himself "A Catholic Presbyter," has in the compass of
a short letter given as much evidence of bad feeling, and the
absurdity of a little mind as could be well compressed within
similar . •
limits.
I quite agree with him in commending the return to the
ancient system of catechising in churches, feeling assured
that it will be productive of much good, unless, indeed, the
congregations are composed of persons in a similar frame of
mind as Catholic Presbyter.
He commences with a contemptible sneer at the esteemed
and excellent curate who officiated at the parish church of
Birkenhead, in the absence of Mr. Knox, at the catechitical
service, which has for many years past been established there.
I pass it by without further notice than, that its falsehood
and malevolence show clearly that he could not have been
attending public worship in the frame of mind that the church
requires from her worshippers. He then states, that an un-
authorised hymn was sung, indeed ! unauthorised by Catho-
lic Presbyter. I suppose. Has he read the canons—if so,
ignorance is not his excuse, for lie must have known that it
is very much left to the minister to appoint what is to be
sung. But it so happens that this Very collection was sub-
mitted to the diocesan, and received his approval—quite suf-
ficient to comfort Mr. Knox under the infliction. of Catholic
Presbyter's disapprobation.
The bishops have almost universally sanctioned, in their
respective dioceses, similar collections ; and, one revered
prelate (Heber) published a hymn book (most of the hymns
being his own composition,) for use in the church services.
It might be well, indeed, if something more of uniformity
had been attempted by the reverend bench, by the sanction
of a hymn book for general use ; but C. P.'s sneer does not
supply this._

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He then finds fault with a selection only from the liturgy
being read, and (if I rightly understand him,) with baptisms,
and the service for the churching of women, being adminis-
tered ; and, to crown all, with the heinous crime of cathe-
chising the children from the Holy Scriptures instead of the
eathechism.

Really, had Mr. Knox the strong approval of our excel-
lent diocesan, who, if I remember aright, on one occasion
was present at this service; I am afraid he must have given
it up in obedience to the dictum of this meddling stranger,
who charges a man, in every way his superior, (to judge from
this letter,) with insulting the congregation by an irregular
service. He remarks, that at the close, they were favoured
with another hymn, a prayerrand the blessing. I had thought
it was for the worship of God, but it appears I was mis-
taken.
I would recommend C. P. to remonstrate with the Primate
of the English Church, for using only a selection of the
prayers of the liturgy at the meetings of the religious societies
connected with the church, as it has no doubt been the cause
of ell the bishops doing the same.
But he would not have found fault bad he seen wax can-
dles on, what he chooses to call, the " altar"--or, had he
seen images of the gibbet on which the saviour was suspended,
plastered around the walls, or encumbering the Lord s table.
Had the minister impiously bowed down to them, and thus
insulted-both his God and the congregation, Catholic Pres-
byter would have had no fault to find.
A MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
OF ENGLAND.
Birkenhead, 26th Sept., 1842.

LIVERPOOL AUTUMN MEETING.

STEWARDS.-LORD G. BENTINCK, SIR R. W. BULKELEY,
BART., AND LORD STANLEY.

FRIDAY.

The EGLINTOUN (HANDICAP) STAKES, of 10 SM. each, 50
added ; for 3-yrs olds. One mile. 6 subscribers.
Lord G. Bentinck's St. Jean d'Acre, 7st. 01b. (W.
Howlett)
Lord G. Bentinck's The Yorkshire Lady, Bst.
Colonel Crawford's f. by Langar, out of Mermaid, Bst.
31b.
Mr. Meiklam's Aristotle, Bst. 71b.
Mr. Holker's Tariff, 7st. 21b.
Sir R. W. Bulkeley's f. by Bay Middleton—Adriana,
Bst.
Betting.-2 to 1 agst the Adriana filly, 3to 1 agst Lord
George's two, and 4 to 1 agst Tariff.
.......

Won by a length.
The PALATINE STAKES (HANDICAP), of 20 soya. each, 10
ft., and 5 ft,, only if declared; 100 soya. added; the second
to receive 30 sovs., and the third 10 soya. One mile'and a
half. 34 subscribers, of whom 25 declored.
Lord G. Bentinck's Proof Print, 3 yrs. sst. (Ebdale) . 1
Mr. Orde Powlett's Disclosure, 4 yrs, Bst 2
Mr. Painter's Ernest the First, 6 yrs, ist. 101 b. 3
The following also started, but were not placed:—
Mr. Goodman's The Shadow, aged, 9st.
Duke of Richmond's Mus, aged, Bst. 21b.
Lord Chesterfield's Henri Quatre, 4 yrs, ist. 121 b.
Mr. Hornby's Champagne,
yrs. Gst. 121bs.
Mr. Ferguson's Fireaway, 3 yrs. 7st.
5
Betting.-3 to 1 agst Disclosure, 3to 1 agst Proof Print, 4
to 1 agst Fireaway, 5 to 1 agst The Shadow, and 5 to 1 Mus.
Won in a canter, by a length.
The MEGGERNIE STAKEs, of 5 sovs. each, and 50 added ; 2
yr olds, Est. 41b. ; 3 yrs, Bst. 71b. : 4 yrs, 9st. 31b.; 5 yrs,
9st.. 71b. ; Gyrs and aged, 9st. 111 b. ; mares, &c., allowed 21b. ;
winners extra; the winner to be sold for 150 sovs., and the
last to pay the second horse's stakes. From the Bridge turn
and in.
Sir R. W. Bulkeley's f. by Bay Middleton—Mriana,
(Darling) 1
Mr. J. Osborn's f. by Physician, out of Duchess, 2 yrs. 2
Captain Crol ton's Muleteer, 5 yrs.
Mr. Potto's Short Bob, 3 yrs.
Mr. James's Wide Awake, 3 yrs.
Betting.-15 to 10 agst the 2-yr old, 3 to 1 agst the winner,
and 4 to 1 agst Muleteer.
Won by a length.
The OPTION STAKES, of 10 sovs. each, and 30 added.
Heats, a mile and a quarter.

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Mr. Merry's Smike, 3 yrs. 7st. (Lye)
Mr. Skerratt's Iludibras, 4 yrs. Bst. 21b 1 2 2
Mr. Dawson's The Biddy, 3 yrs. 7st. 21b.
Won easily.