The Statesman.
London, England, 1821-02-07 00:00:00

had been, first, oily. from newspipers, were true; be
objected to lie production uf these affsdavits as lug
wholly irrelevant, whethey tine pr false, which went to
charge ethers with higher crimes. As to his coo lust
in carrying on the prosesution against the Queen, he
did no more than State a case, in the performance of
painful duty, which was faunded on the facts laid bef ir
him. If the facts were indecent, that was not his fan:•.
but the fault of those who had collected theui—L in
cries of hear). And if he must speak out, many fa •
of the strongest velure were stated by witnesses agsirist
her Majesty, which hail not at all been stated in his
opening speech : and he contended, that the mini and
substantial facts stated hr him in his opening were
proved by the evidence afterwards adduced.—(Shouts of
hear, hear.)—He repeated, that his charges were proved
in evidence : it was another thing, whether that evi-
dence was to be believed. Ile hail never had the slight-
est communication with any witness ; be bad their
depositions from those who instructed him. Ho was
not bound to sit as a judge in the first instance; he
merely did the duty of an advocate, and states! his ease
from the instructions given him. if any wan believed
that the intercoure of the Queen and her servant had
existed for the first three veers, he must be convinced
that it was continued during the remaining three
years, for the man bad lived in her service u;.
to her arrival at St. !)seer's.—(llear, hear, hear:;)
—lie bad thrown out no unfounded calututfes against.
the Queen; lie only stated the case laid before uim ; and
there was no sintilkstie between this and the case in the •
Court of King's Bench. Nothing could have heed
more injudicious and more degrading to himself than
to have stated facts which 'could not be proved. No
taunts, therefore, of the Honourable Baronet could
make him feel that he had committed any dereliction or
his duty in carrying on the prosecution against the
Quern.—(blear, bear.)—At the demise of the late Kiiq:
site could no longer be prayed fur as l'rincess of Wales
—she had then acquired a new character, and labouring-
as she was under the tectimulated charges against her,
which charges were in the possession of his Majesty's
Ministers' they would he guilty of insialiret highly cri-
mina; if they hail advised tlie insertion of her name ia
the Liturgy. Ile did not know how far it operated skit
the minds of lion. Members; but it appeared to hi•it
that there was the greatest difference possible between.
the erasing of her 11ajesty's name from the Liturgy in
1:s1:4, and the omission of it in WO. In the former sloe
continued Princess of Wales, and therefore the name re-
mained in the Liturgy ; in the latter she arquirini a new
diameter, and therefore her name was 01111 Ited to he in-
serted ill that new character. ile thanked the Hons."
for their indulgence while lie was repelling the Ili:pro-
voked mid unnecessary attack of the Baronet. lie
felt gratefal fur the opportunity they gave him of defend-
ing himself.
There were now loud calls for Mr. Tierucy.
Sir F. SURDRIT ruse is explanation, but n e
could not collect the import of what he said.

Mr. TIERNEY saw rose. He said that it till
been stated on the other side of the Haase, that his
motion had been brought forward with • slew of
displacing the present 31inisters of the Crown. Whe-
ther that might be the effect of it or not, was not for
to say ; but he denied that it was brooch' forwar I
with smell a ratio.. Ile should vote fur the mothet,
and hoped the House would lend bins their atten-
tion while be were giving his reasons fur that vote,
and also why the metier!' was breuglit forward. EiL!st
' months had elapsed since that House received a we...
sage from his Majesty. alledging, that the arrival of
the Queen made it necessary that certain papers which
accompanied that message should be referred to the
consideration of the House. The House was at
loss to know what course to adopt, and bad repeate,l
adjournments, as if with a view to watch the proceed-
ings of the other House, and thereby regulate its own.
11e thonitit the House should have acted more inde-
pendently. Ile was new desirous to state his upiniau,
because he then held a different opinion from thosa
friends with whom he was in the constant habit of
vuiing. Ile had said un that occasion, (and of th
saying lie bail been sin. often reminded) he sal t
that he should never give Isis consent to a grata
of one .billies to her Majesty, unless she were
cleare.l of the (Outer and heavy crimes Leib
to her charge. He considered that the manner is
whieii her Majesty's name was omitted (mom the Liturgy
anionnted to a very strong presumption that Oct:harp-%
against her must have been supported by undeniable
evidence in the possession of Ministers. lie was there-
fore of opinion that inspiirf was necessary, as the charge
VMS probable. Ile would go farther, and say be lia,l
heard that they had irresistible evidence, ner could he
conceive they would even have gone the lengths they
did, unless they were fully prepared to justify themselves.
He was of opinion that under these circumstances it was
due to the Queen, to the King, to the country, and the
Constitutiou, that there should he an investigatiog.
Having wade these preliminary observations, be sl,oul I
now come at one', to state his opinion on the present
question. Let the event of the question be what it nevi,
the real question now before them, and he begged to re-
call their attention to it, was whether the priposition
submitted to them contained the tenth or n ? If it 'lid
`contain the truth, they should vote fur it, disregarding
and leasing entirely out of their consideration the
consequences. The Honourable Member for Oxfuel
(Mr. Peel) although there are many parts of the late
pfo::eesiiiiAs which lie condemned, yet thought there
) was no els.' ree against Ministers ; he could not agree with
him ; he tlionglit the charge against them well made unt.
How very different had been the line of conduct adopte
by the late King, in Ibo 6. At that time his present Ma-
jesty, then Prince of Wales, received reports of iris Con-
sort itubecoioing her rank and dignity. lie immediately
had these rumours communicated to the King, who im-
mediately appointed a Commission of the first ChstriC-
tees in the country to inquire into those reports, and
give him their opinion on the same. In this he acted
under the advice of, he believed, Lord l'iinrlow, and he
(Mr. Tierney) thought he was well advised. Eiery
body was acquainted with the result of that Commission.
But how the late proceedings were instituted, or jo what
manner the depositions were taken, it was impossible to
say. He had no hesitation in saying that all the • mis-
chief hail arisen from that .Pilau Commission. Hvidemie
was .here collected. and that evidence restrainsi fora
consideranle time in the hands of Ministers, vet they
never gave the Queen any notice of their proceedings;
and the first notice she received of their intention wes
the omission of her name (ruin the Liturgy. Wiry
bad not some proposal been made to the Qtseeo
before that hostile act: No time, he thou.:lit, more
proper fur some proposal than at the period after ro-
, eeieseg the evidence from the Commissioners sitting at
Milan, and before her name was erased from the Litur-
gy. If a proposal were wade to her Majesty afthat pe-
' riod, he would ventere to say her Majeety would have
saved the country from the late disgusting proceedings.
A Cominiseion lied been sent out to Milan in Rile to
collect evidence on the part of the Crown. These pro-
ceedings excited suspicions in all parts of Europe about
her Majesty's conduct. Nothing could be more dispa-
' raging to her Majesty than such proceedings. Snob sits.
picicrns made a full investigation necessary. He asked
I if there were any way snore difficult to settle the
races between the Illustrious parties than this. He did

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