The Statesman.
London, England, 1822-06-20 00:00:00

ie present inmest,they bad beard nothing of the
rd'* planahat were to have been so speedily pro-
His present objections were of a two-fold cha-
r conl.l not place confidence In the declarations
vernment, recollecting what bad resulted from
ices madeive years ago; and the state ad)**
I was each, that the house ought not to separate
icing a pledge that the subject should have an
tiderstion. The existing system operated most
y on the interests of Ireland t it bail endan-
tranquillity, and it would dieter's its repose so
continued. The Onions of plri.lies had pro-
rat mischief. There was another evil : there were
1,000 acres of glebe land without any glebe
)et the Act of Ileorge 11. said, that where
tics was worth lOW. there shoo, : be a glebe
the evils of non.reeidents and pluralists were
mons. How corolla they expect Met such a star
I should he eochired ?—(llear' hear.)—But he
rant to behold spoliation and robbery. How-
ill became Right Hon. Members opposite to
a, and those who thought with him, with the
of the remedies called for, contending that
r, in fact, measures of spoliation: since be
it in the Union Parliament on the 26th of March
nt I,s:rd Castlereagh " brought In a Bill "to
is for tithes," which we, read a third time on
of the came month.—(Hear.) He did not re-
illation—he wasted • fair and eetuitable cow-
tif the tithes, persuaded that without it the
lity of Ireland would be still more endangered.
'l4 conclude with ascarintr, as an amendment,
ritli the view to the tranquillity sod happiness
id, that house weetd Marty in the next Session
,rionideration the iiehject of lishes as connected
sonny, with the view of substituting for the
nearing and vexatious mode of supporting the
fell mad liberal equivalent, fairly imposed."—
mr.)
4,OULtBIURN raid he was compelled to differ
► Right Hon. Baronet. He thought it would
into agree to the amendment just proposed.
lesived to pledge abs Howie to consider the
arty its the next Seesion. with the view to the
at of • fair equivalent for the present tithes.l
a • subject that would require extensive in-1
d tier deepest conideration, if the concurrence I
lies were desirahle.—Nothing could be awe
than by giving a pledge, to excite an et:pee-
l:leo could not be realised. Would a pledge
lad erase the Irish to he more obedint to 'the
;o; .but the effeet would be to resist the pay-
tinter altogether. He agreed with the Bon-
liaronet that the Ooveren:ent of Ireland ought
try means in Oak phwet to uphold the respect-
"the clergy; and to consider of the public in-
n" resoling from several parishes being held
ergynias. and from clergymen not eesiding in
ishes. He alighted the fikc; aft they were
arfices in hilted. Mal 763 iocumbents. But
ell as most instanres of non-residence was often
al by the affinity the clergyman met with in
suitable emilletce in the parishes. Wiih re-
that the Hoe. Ontleman (Mr. Hume) bad said
ins on the pan of the clergy—nothing could be
o the troth 1 for if any vexatious proceedings
pace, they anise trim the mode of eoPecting
r, and he knew thaela the conktion of these,
I lately been a redlastion propqrtionte to the re-
it—rents. It defiance of the rash 'preps.
mt the

Aing
sated by prow ,
irly part of the evening he had consented to
his motion on as aunrance that something ef-
mid be done on the subject. He must say,
that the general feeling in Ireland was, that
ire a source of great oppression ; and he
to for the motion of the Right Honourable Bs-

RICE doubted the pledges of Ministers. Mr.
gave a pledge as large as that given by the
tn. Baronet, to take under consideration the
a tithes., and yet the subject was not consider
neW not admit that the pledge to be put on
would be injurious to the collection of tithes.
le of Ireland would feel more satisfied under
e that Parliament would take up the question
ion. Ile had no doubt that the Irish Members
sport the amendment, and he called upon the
Gentlemen to agree to it, as the means of pro-
anquillity in Ireland.

oretary PEEL was altogether averse to any
lief( given by the House of Commons, lest it
be ultimately realized. From all the conside•
could give the subject, be felt bound to state
w yery great, if not insupera)le obstacles to the
of commutation.

101.1tiliAli denied that Ministers bad given
ict pledge on the subject. All they bud pro-
s, to con..ider the question during the recess,
he ensuing Session to inform the House whs.-
could introduce a practical measureor not. It
however, that this subject had already been
isideration for a period of thirty years, and for
knew, it might be thirty years more under
tion, if left nx elusively in the hands of his Ma-
,vernm4nt. This was hut poor consolation to
eof Ireland. Hut be contended that some-
st be done, awl :hat speedily too, if it was not
that Ireland should continue for ever in a state
e and inenhord'mation.

HUTCHINSON observ►d that if there were
rot forty Irish Members, five of them would
amid to vo e against the motion of his lion.
le Member for Galway. So convinced were
lemon of the 'l' y of this fact, that they
ms in all directions to muster their forces in
lefeat the object of his Mu. Friend.
'LUNKE*I T said that be considered the
.ot of his Right Hon. Friend as premature and
is. The Government was charged with hold.
o the peppiest!' Irelands's:finite retiree.. lint
on w•es perfectly indefinite. Ile had heard in
0 Fp recto of the Hon. Member for Montrose
dangerous doctrines—doctrines that went to
rrson of all the rights of property. If the
of the Hon. Gentleman were tree with regard
erdy, they were also true with respect to the
He admitted tithes to be a grievance, but
me way that rent and taxes were a grievance.
red th.t if there were not an acre of land in
itheahle, it would not afford the least benefit

to the ocenpiers of the lewd. The rent would rise is
proportion to the taking uff of any other cbarge.,-.--
Those who would support the principles of the Pon.
Member fur Montrose, would do well to declare their
intentions. It war incumbent on his Right Hon.
Friend (the Right Hon. Boost° to separate himself
from the principles of the Hon. Gentleman. Thettight
Hen. Baronet could take an enlarged and epmpre•
she view of the sultject I he was not guided by the
vulgar arithmetic of the Honourable Gentleman. He
concluded by stating his belief that it was impossihie
to devise any means for the commutation of tithes
which would produce ant• temporal effect in Ireland.
Sir N. COLTHURST declared his intention to vote
for the Resolution Of the Bight Hon. Bart. disavowing
any participation in the sentiments of the Hon. Member
for Aberdeen.
Colonel FRENCH was persuaded that there never
would be peace in Ireland, unless a coustuntation gene-
rally of tithes was adopted.
Sir E. O'BRIEN supported the amendment.
Mr. R. MARTIN would support anv motion for a com-
mutation of tithes, but would not bind himself by the
Resolution of the Bon. Baronet.

Mr. H1.731E replied briefly. He declined pressing his
motion.
The House divided, sod the numbers were—
For the Amendment of Sir J. Newport, 65—Apiest
it, 72—Majority %pilot it, 7.
The other Orders of the Day were disposedof,and the
Hasse adjoarsed aliThree •'Clack.
tftnt*.r.

B.LIT INDIA HOUSR.

A Quarterly Geneva] Court of Proprietors of Pao
fedi& Stock t.:as yesterday held at the Company's
House, in' Lend-n hall-street, for the parpole of deb
elating a dividend on the Compeny's capital stock he
the. half year, coo:tarot's, the sth of January last,
and ending on the Stb of July next, which was made
special ; in order to take into consideration a bill now
pending in Parliament, :ur consolidating the acts. Vp;
lades to the East India private trade, and also
;for
decidlog on the propriety of repealing that part 'set
the Act of 1813, which restrikte moots of lee, *ls
350 toes burden from trading terns
_Oisespany's pp-
sessions in the Wait.
, Iti
C„
On the ntetien of tee ghlaltell (J. ATTISOR,
Esq.)the Court agreed to the resolution of the Court
of Directors, declaring a dividend of five pod a quarter
per cent. on the Company's capital stock'for the half,
year, commencing the sth of January last, and end-.
log on the sth of July next.
The CH•111114121 thee stated, that the Court was MI
eembled for the re-consideration of the bill now pas&
leg in Pprliament, for censolidating the East India
private trade Acts; and informed the Court,, that,
since they had last met, a letter bad been mitten by
the Court of Directors to the Boagd at .C'4 whiBb
should be read.
The Clerk rhea read the letter, Wilds was
to Mr. Conrtenay, the Secretary of the Bevi; of,
trol, in which the Directors stated, that they
decidedly otopitdon, that the provision akin, 59d of
• goods' by the pri-
depooited in
thote4..aspithat
Mitten to
wool, should ar
stall, eon.;
st bad

put i
was c

Court
plleati

_igaified
mewled in the
• lissard of Con-
longer at issue
:mew of se way
;ht before the
motion, which
discussion.--•
ape, of no less
this country to
India, many •f the Directors felt, that, as vessels
of that description were allowed to clear oat from
Gibraltar and Malta for India, it would he invidious
to withhold the same privilege from vessels clearing
out immediately from the United Kingdom. He con-
eluded by moving—" That this Court concur in the
proposition for the repeal of the existing law, by
which no ship under the burden of 350 tons can en-
gage in the trade between the United Kingdom of
lodia."
Mr. Foam immediately rose, and took the line of
argument which he had advanced at A* last Court.
He insisted strongly on the necessity of placing East
and West India sugars on an equal footing; and,
having drawn a melancholy picture of the state of the
shipping interest in India, he contended, that it was
fitting that India built ships should be admitted to the
same privileges with British built ls. He could
not column that the Company should concede a boon
out of their chartered rights, unless they received
some reciprocal advantage in return. 'fhe Honour-
able fientleman concluded by moving an amendment.
declarirg that the Court could not agree to give up
the limitation, respecting the employment of ships
ander 350 tons burdens in the private India trade,
unless India built ships were admitted to the right
of fall British register, and the admission of East
India sugar into this country on the same footing as
sugar, the produce of any other dependency of the
British empire.
Mr. TRANT strongly argued in favour of introduc-
ing, as much as possible, the produce of India into
this country. it was of vital importance to the in-
terests of the population of oar East India possessions.
The trade of India wa at present at the lowest ebb.
and every means ought to be adopted for the purpose
of improving it. At the present moment, he under-
stood, no less than five factories in the Madras Presi-
dency, each of which had employed 15,000 persons
were now abandoned, and thus near 100,000 pinups
were thrown out of employment.
Mr. CRALMIIIS warmly supported the amendment.
Mr. P. Moons expatiated on the immense benefits
which this country would derive from a proper cola-
vation of the capabilities of our Eastern territories.
I As a proof of the fact, be referred to the ob ion
of Lord alacartney, whe stated to the Ministers of his
day, that if he were allowed to 'torture those capabi-
lities without interruption, he did not fear to meet
the national debt, which then amounted to
239,000,0001.
Mr. Cattauxnens commented upon the observation
of the Hon. Mover of the Amendment. and ob d
that proposed Resolutions were adapted and
acceded if thededto by Government, it would be a death We 1

Is the Rest a t sbt • ariseTlts • sT-lte:
•
silo* rote for the oriiisal leeitfon.
3k% Q.
.TUCNZR conceitittlif oftha
Complidy Were' involvail 'ln the preperveten of the'
Cottsi Trade. The sonsisfeeturers had here probes
bited •by heavy dodos. end. she-astention of the in-
habitants was now dirested,to Agriculture. lie con•
sidered the continasoce.if those duties for a few
years longer would prodifee a depression and distress
ruinous in the extreme. '
ThelteAtilaatt here observed that be had just re-
ceivedi colnoseitinatioo from Government. which
ststedlr lion let consequence ,of the lateness of the
Sessio4 it had been desererdeed to leave out 'of the
Bill anTir thing likely to meet with opposition from
the Prnpiletors."
Mr. TWINING addressed the Meeting, sod *eget ale
Insp.:Whines of the Proprietors'
,esertions to *plot
the
A 10.rg discussion followed. in which Mr. Cy
GRANT Mr. IL JACIIIIOII, Mr. WINDOM. Mr. Mixed
and Mt. Eissisetzsix took part, when the etlee.''
Question because load sad poen!, when • "
The Cesinsust. after making a few observidietia
apse what had fallen daring the debate. declared shat
as the souse of the meeting was so stroogly in
of the opsepdenent, be sbo id withdraw
motion, *1404
pose of

prupereeiThy illW brims.' **lira
aaaniasously.,sed the Court adjoarsed. •
=lam'
L4lr INTRtLiosmes.
• 4,VSULT Of KING'S BENCH, Jests 19.. •
• ~
c ran ittxb'e CASULit.
Mr .tvort-OawareL .sand for stale, calling me
thilate Sheriffs of Laden to show eau* why they
should at mil certairegoods of Richard Cu 11... which
they bad tams in execution for the tine thredros the
lief tto io monsp Ta•:o,ra!d .solicitor stated
the s al rams which bail; Ire* rade, enanseradag
the sin their poeseision. and respecting which they
awn the orders of the Court, to which Mr. Cooper
elle in the motion which he tail* Snide on Matt
of th defaadant.
TIP' Counvimpsircd whether s notion on the sap
subject was not still peading, bat , were isforneld fa
ibe thirstiest.
I They then suggested that the rediiiiii ' well et NM.
&Abe ZpOittil might answer the purpose.
sr. Sotactvoi.G repihed,lirat tern, accord.,
the
grans coarse of prettiest, world not lie to the late
3 urged the Court to the rale. he older,
dm matter might he brought fairly lots dim... Wee.
as the Sheriffs world then show the groands onwhisb
ed to sell.
la CUM JOSTICII Said, that before the
I at all interfere to give directions, an ap.•
mold be madi to the Sheriffs, sad, ea this
. the motion was witiodeawa fir the'
..
Is ante tr. Oblet.l2lS AND *TIMIS.
ran was beard today agalast the' rate ell.
issue. The objection, hi said, to timid"?
I tied widest, offered la the ease. The ities4
me, whether ths Jury were well

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Mr.
Weal
diet
ties le

last cosetVii; in • etnreut. • roe 'I us rep •
which the defendants evinced of their Magisterial
duties justified their verdict. Mr* itiratteativ• bear,
leg, a longsnd laborious investigation, emit tftriOus
summing-up. the answer of the Jury was—that der
found the defendants guilty upon the lest coast. The
prosecutor bed sunk • large capital Is matelot; the
house; he was Industrious—be was honest—and he
was begleeing to enjoy the fruits .f his industry
and honesty, when be sou told that his license
would not be renewed, and that his labour and
his wealth should go for noddy. One would
suppose that the report of the Magistrates who made
the investigation, would bind those who deputed
them. It was a matter of notoriety that those Megis-
trues bad a previous convection with those brewers ;
they were not, as it was -alleged. taken by surprise
is the case. A criminal Information had bun pre-
viously filed against them in that Court. The charge
was that they bad a partiality for those brewers; I
was, therefore, likely that they were interested In
taking away the Hume from Meek, who bad some-
' time before left thou brewers. Neither Willis nor
Lucas were called to state what took place when they
were present. Mesa and Reid were not put before
the Jury. These were circumstances from which the
Jury inferred a strong conclusion in favour of the
verdict which they gam The defendants mast have
been aware that the refuel of a licence would reduce
hint to beggary—to ruin. It was urged on the other
side, that there was a servant of the name of Rollin,
master of the tap, but it was in evidence that Rollin
was servant of Meek ; it was also in evidence that be
'left his service the June preceding the September he
lost his license. Was not that a strong and a power-
' fsl circumstance in favour of Meek ? " Tbat man
whose presence was a bar to the renewal of the li-
15ense left the house three months before the license
was refused." There was another objection that be
kept a gin-shop, instead of a beer-shop. It appeared
there were-two doors to the tap-room ;it also appeared
that he was willing to make any change the Magis-
trates might think proper. The order to alter the
doors was made to Sefton and Cottrell, the offer was
conveyed to the Magistrates the very time they
thought proper to Wage his license. The question
was, was it a beer or a gin-ship? Bid they ascertain
the relative amount of these two articles of consump-
tion? Ile offered to produce his books to prove thai
his sale of spirits bore no proportion to his sale of
beer. When he offered his ho•lks be was asked what
brewer he dealt with ? It was also urged, that there
were too many public-housee is the neighbourhood
The house had been there beyond the memory of men.
It was refitted in an expensive style; it was conducted
in a proper manner. There were many houses in the
neighbourhood in which the sale of spirits Was greater
than the sale of beer, and yet their licences were re.
newest. If it were necessary that one of the houses
should be closed, then the question should be which
was the most proper to be shut up ? There never
was a case in which the abused Magisterial authority
was more glaring. Their Lordships, he hoped, would
not disturb a verdict, supported by fact and confirmed
by evidence.
Mr. SCARLIITT, jun. followed on the saute side.

the Hon. &linkman, b•saintsieed Aral the Goo. 111., providing that goods brought
id a just right to the tithes, whiels wire Oar ate, trader Is this country, should hik
jest as snob
...ls as
Hi osan's estate was dm p*ts- ports, having proper docks and warebotA
such MM. The OD. Geodesists liad also sanannim 18, and 19, of the said
a
to
properly which (lid "Ltccel!dtt4s tnan wall
It •• t.. nouns tea importation of hair. and (*ton ww
e eIIAIRSIAN then preesidled to etas
in of ree emeegvegin—if tims ram of ewer to this letter, the Board of Control
was ones a, 111111111 d be tell where it would their intention to have those sessions re-e
,nd if be limited dm biome of a; ArshblehuP new Bill. On this point, therefore, the 1
a year, h did he know dotes et reformers trol and the Court of Directors wore no li
t start see aftvir,osstime, to cut down tile
theof nonirauwoo and lower, until nothing The Charm*, then observed, that he ka
Sr t establishment? invertbis robbery would by which this subject costa be brongl
e of-Nary other kind of property. Court of Proprie.tors, except by a mi
IT explaieed. would open the question for general
Yidthat all the hopes which had been With respect to allowing British ship
rello kelatal of obtaining relief from the pros- than 35t1 tons harden to trade from th
Spa, would befrnarated by the presets Bill.— India. mane of the Directors felt. tha