The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-04-26 00:00:00

THE STATESMAN.

frostier, of France, to prevent a recurrence of those sort of. traaellitije officer. atl.over Europe. ~By le,
evils from which &trope had so recently been de. meamelfernal 'tire. likitinekledeired at times
li. ..red. dietary instructepoeirfeure i the else at home
The Marquis of LANSDOWN said, that !mine of hbrultd.' .
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in the early part of the Session called the anemic:al The Earl of WESTMORLAND entered into a
of their Lordships to the condition of Genoa, he justification of a Noble Lord (Castlereagh) and con.
could not consent to vote for the motion of his No- teortreirthiii. {here iiaiWiti--4ave.sligitteet.reiecni for
ble Friend without
"stating stating some of his reasons for charging the Goverdeleet with:U*l4llf faith to the
that vote. The Noble Earl had talked of the nega.l Genoese.
Live cu-operation of the penpts of •Getnailf'but, in i Earl GREY said, it was dentnnstretive of itself
paint of fact,. what was theettentlyer.co.nperation ? : that if Lord Wm. Bentinek had not been assisted by
h:very oue knee that the population of a garrison I the Getioese he never could have got possession of
town was incapable of making alt! opposition in the I Genoa. So far was the indifference with which they
first ;nominee, as hide a Foreign Power held ail' itsl had been charged from being- true, that even the
wrong places, conlrouled its police, and regulated , peasants scaled the walls before the British troops.
(ire whole of its Internal management.; but after the 1 If the Genoese dies nut rise on the 6000 men who
first Proclnmation'of Lord W. Bentinck, the pea. i gerrisoned their town, they knew that there we. eot
ro.try in the neighbourhood of Genoa rose up, and ; otity'these 6090 awn, but an army of 80,000 men.
afforded effectual co-operation: The capitulation of I under the Viceroy, at bard; tied they had seen so ffi.
the place even was negotiated by Genoese Represen.icient examples of French force and French vengeance.
wives, it; concurrence with • the French °Meet's ; There was not the smallest reason in charge them
and as a proof of, the disposition manifested by the with indisposition to Ensland. In addition to the
illeibitatits, a Messenger was subsoquently dispatchedlinstructions sent to LOrd W:Bentitick, by which he
to Lord W. Bentinck, from the French Carets corn-' was authorised. to bold. out to the Genoese the
mailing in the garrison, urging him to take immedi. ' establishment of their Government, there was a De.
tee poseession of the place, because their lives were ' claration of the Allies, end the Treaty of Chaumont,
?tonally in danger from the fury and zeal of those 'in which their object was declared to be to secure a
ineeitire co.operators.— [flaw, hear!]—Every one,' general peace, under which all nations may enjoy
indeed, who was acquainted with the strength of , their rights, and the peace and security of the world
Gorton, a place so strong that it maintained itself fort may be established. The Noble Earl then proceeds a
. seven months, under Marshal Massena, against the' to his second point, viz. the policy of the annexation
• %hole Austrian army, aided by the British fleet, lof Genoa to Piedmont. He went into an exaraiutt-
niust know, that it would have been impregnable au. I Lion of the various relations of the surroending
kettle disposition of she Inhabitants had been foi-j Powers, and argued that is giving Genoa to the King
iournt•le to the besiegers. Lewd W:Seetirick. had iof Sardinia, Lord Castlereagh had accomplished a.
only *WOO men Olds he could bring atttnit .thit ! French and not an English object. The trimprincie
strong fortress. ' .As to the Proclamation of that pie on which the Allies, ha this, and other_ pees,
disilngetabed °Seer, it was impossible to read it , sheold have proceeded, was to show that Gown.
and not be eottrleced that it most have raisedin'! meats were made for the people, and not the people
tioe people of Genoa the expectation of having their ! for the Governments. Had they acted upon this
amain( Goietnetent restored • and Lord 'William . system many of the calamities we now had to lament
aesolinek 'himself must have felt convinced that be : would never have occurred.
• Wes authorised to issue *het Proclamation, as well 1 1 The Earl of LIVERPOOL concurred with Earl
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he that it Wee. e,ssentia to the successor his Majesty's . Grey in the division he had made of the question, and
ayes And the reuse in which he was engaged. Thee contended that there had been no breach of faith on
Noble Marquis theri'inimedierted in severe terms' the part of this country.. Expectations were never
upon tbecooduct of tu'Attied Powers at Congress' held out by this Government that were net fulfilled,
towards the Berlablidle Genoa,' contrasting it with ! while, on the other baud, the Italians, and the Genoese
the opportinsit) thin; halt of exhibiting the sincerity . in particular, had led this Government to believe that'
of their profession,: by, Itcaiing the independeneeithere was.a disposition to rise against the authority
Ad freedom of that' aheli;ret fititi, 'which, he con- .of Bonaparte. This disposition, .supposing it had
tended, might have been dodi Without violating any ' ever existed, had never in the slightest degree been
oillipt:interriots of Italy generally, upon which so carried into effect. Ile then went into the point of
• -Ala liiiis arented. tote laid. lie /mild not, there. policy, arguing, that in consequence of the weakness
(Uwe: admit that any overruling neCettsity esisted for of the King of Sardinia, Bonaparte had been Ole to
odr -proceedings, , while, on the contrary, hi eon- over-tun and Conquer Italy. The object was to place
sidered that there was a strong moral doitywhich a barrier between France and Italy,. that would pre.
• tistiratatintry ought to have discharged in acting up to "nit touch a consequence in future. Aod if the
thesitottiises and ant:faeces held out by Lord W. passage,of the Aloe was to he protected, it was only
Bentinck in his Proehmations. Upon those grounds to be done by making the power which was the unt-
ie elieuld rooter the motion of his Noble Friend, turd guurdiais of the Alps strong enough to defend
Lord HARRO%Vbir said, that none 'of the aige. the passages which was iniptectic,aWe, unless the pos.
mewls which had been tiled by the Noble Marvis, session was given of some part of the maritime terri.
Went to maintain the Resolutions then beforelhem, tory of Genoa. This tranter was not at all to. be ra-
-1 in the tone and spirit with which they were proposed, greeted on the score of the people of that country,'
He deeied. that any effectual and letter,. co-operation . because, from the aristocratical nature of Govern.
phad takvni iilicl 01146 e part of thervervoese, add con. meet, the interest of the State hadalways.beea sacri..
tended Oaf Lord W. Beetinek;s capture df the city Aced to that of the City. He. therefore thought jt
..s ill fad a conquest, according to all theprin- was eiident, that the course which the Govern.
ciples laid down in the writings of the M lost eminent • meet had taken. was not repugnant either to honour
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, publicists. With haegard to the annexation of Genoa lor policy.
to the Crown of Sarcitnia, he had no' hesitation in , The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM briefly replied..
saying that it ought fto be united to'the natural' He observed, by whatever means Genoa fall into our
gpnrdian of the Alps, ',timely, io-t4 King of *Ser. possession, a Proclamation had. been. issued, in which
(link.. It had heed awl, however, thst while the . Lord.W. Bentinck, in the name of the British Co.
Allied Powers gave gap, te'Serdtita. on one side.,: imminent, had premised independence to the people
/ they weakened I 'testae other; ;bid, in the opinitoklAf that .State. The question then was, whether the
of military then, the terittrlip-which hid been giver* 'British Government had recalled Lord . Bentinck,
to France. though they rmlight slightly', diminish the ' and disavowed his.Prociamition, .or abided by it.
revenues of the King of Serdinia, did' not at all en- ! They had done neither, ahoy had not disavowed the
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feeble him as a military. Ironer. The*PlOble Leird I Proclamation, but they bad. broken the promises
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then entered into tidefence of the conduct Cobol which it held out. It was said too that the King of
arcs.; in its di,posrd of Cenoa and read extracts of a Sardinia was the natural guardian of the Alps,-
letter from Mr. Pitt, addressed to Count' Worotozow;1 What had the British Government done-ethey lad
in Jan. 1805, in which principles, similar to those , taken from him Chambery widths two natured passes
' - actuil upon by Congress in. 'respect to Genoa, were ;of the Alps, and had !given thenstothe Frenehvon
or
laid down and enforced by that great Statesman.— which territory Bonaparte Win' now collecting an
Ile (Lord Harrowhy) also maintained that those ' army. Such was the conduct of .the Government,'
principles were eeectly.the same as (hose rOcognised and upon principles of honour and policy the'llouie
ii' the Treaty of Westphelie, a Treaty ale ays refer-' wus bound to reprobate it.
red to for the wisdom and policy of its provisions.
Lord ST. JOHN aupported. the motion. F.o. Axe motion 25-Provles 14
Lord GRENVILLE contended that the instruc. Against the motion 65-Proaies46
tioutAnat.-ta,. Loyd W..Bentiiiik. extended to those
verycircumstances tinder which hit Proclamations A djourned at one o'clock,
were issued t and in his own mind he (Lord •Gren. The House divided,
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IMO) hail no clntibt that he'wea peiffectly justified in lI.OOSt CDMAIONS.
the steps he had tariffs te4ni alsihnirliy which he I Mr. M. A. TAY LOK, wills the leave elf the titioasoikedimi.
itemised froffbiellelle Fr.iend (FATlAletlierst.) the Bill fur tnhecbetterbreesgeeuttrittemahand paring
been moccts of the
Tee bovitrement Were bound •• to fulfil the day, al;lt Mee' tag of all the Parishes In
ist;ssion, to meet Carly is the month of iCtmesatter uric. for*,
‘1,44,1;an •thei, "11.1 could' admit' P.
sto artobt that Lord Wm. Bentiocji,. when he issued Find`',7,.Z.Cryar,,,infiast.„Bilir the retuedYi* of the 4`11: Si he
the Proclamation, did hold oyt to the people of Ge I 'Load CASTLEREAGH laid before do Uotsse tbo seksllace
of the Treaty of Alliance betwetin his- Stormy. and ,
sea the prospect of re-i!stablisliiny: their ancient Go- of of Rus.ia and Austria, and King of Pnissia;algped ou
cemetery; . And tkeepeople Of cfllo, flln consequence ihe/ush of March hot at Vienna, add a Memoranda, detlating
Of that expectation' had acted dillbrently from what tee litiOnsteodlegof kii Mairsifs . Government fespeedar the
they
would
otherwise have dowe_ikei. had paid the 115 A. nicle oftw said-Tirty, dated. Foreign Office, April,'
itipulated price. ft hod beto -pat t did "Mit -' The °fib, Seotch;Comtnisnay.Court, HUI Oat
rise that they were neutral. 'sag litemasitioss.—naira radio' to-morrow.
a seemed tinsi
044 it was their assistance Ollkatilikelleill 'II I 7:re soak' teetigna.vmd. .-cata third .aod
r: ouch forie of sor 4000 men froinretilnitutpoisese 4`Tlie Scotch Gaither,' Bill woo read a tecoud time. Committee
sintiof one of the strongest 'places its.' tily against an Mt Thursday next.
Lord N IMF:NT pastpeped to Friday next the Motiiin for re-
e rely of only 1000 men. It was impossible for an ferring ton Committee the Papers presented by the NA-Office,
army of 800 men to histeeetceerled'againit such a un the subject of the Montague and Pelham Packets.
artivon had-they not been issiated h,ir the inhabit- I TREATY OF YIF.NNA.
ants. Lord .W. l3entinck issued tea diterent Pro- 1 " Mr. 'wHlTAßEAD,;ailudlpg to the papers late-
Cbmailons. In the last be istatedihilhcL'eitablithed jiteducterf by a-Noblie Lord (C,astlertegh),pra.
Ake :indent. Oeserjemieufr, es it was' the wish of the /, afteded to retipititlitie the/substance of the Ware.
t ;cootie, aiidibedf,yeof qt as well as con- tiod on the pert of his -Majesty.), Government* yea.
r.irmahle to Ms instretoOtad.' IStit it had been said ;;Petting the Stkartiele the Treaty of Vietnia.---:
the'Governmesit was niifitifitilfskeltl4ermaiseistlyhut - That article was dechired-to he'diderstood as bind,
Out this Prosixionat lieritmient was it* on' the •bintiacting, parties, for the coocerti*
;with I,b4i; "On lie and carrying into execution such mealores as Welt'
ofteiopf 00eiCcopieft,_ which It *if iriterr's Wish to !liveseelfectoallyieendace to the nveribroteitteems=
have re-gstabliultosi, coy-a:not be resitiied_akf.'l4ll croZce. I Parte, hot not proseeftiof the sant fer tbel per-.
Ih. w hott of Ihedanatir of Illtnlttf,e',Conitsl'idi pdse of Imposing en' Feentetitiy-Vaitiestir Gtotoro
'it alot tillooment 4ist-the ;Mb /o ottileritafiti 'theft; Wit the wait
(Cr /heir instroctilds. : **eh sW, the..diffienliy lb Ittii be• ic oiduCtid againgeNtlitileole. 'Bonaparte per.
%Civil Lord AVM:freiitihcit web 'pieced' aroieftom ''etinatly; that he liettaiould-lierisitra with bitty per-
i. of, Abe istitees of Goveitintihelyittiketrig ititith 'a ttd 'Alit Ito long 'U tie 'oiekat.the teed of
'Jut, in tire Istylliar expiate Of' Newel ; the corkernieff irraissitaidi
AStAnishea Aft any man could eopPookthat'de:dffide With the; tolietie • •• •: • •• -• •4:
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of y -St-roe could be ie.maied fttiviAer
•:*.couvitsrpkar,amyelavigria AztiegA)46is 4lew,
thee bad aeon n Foreigu Secretary converted into a

EihrtIAIWPCPREAGR, Writ Akfot4l"foutirlono
thanatios4 if we ot dexstood. him right, that
the object of the Treaty was certainly war against

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Bonaparte , A
mt. that,it would only be iiinding ss Lord CASTLEREAGH said it was sk____ays hi
elithe pitta leek as they chose to hive if b(ritling. treating respecting any Subsidiary Traa'y with F,,,4.110 ,EIW c iII:MEAD said nothing ir UM be planter reign Powers communicated to them, that the Crott u
iiiriciiii,lieesikjA .ittid nothing btoie obscure 'an& could do nothing more than recommend the measur
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unsatisfactory than the answer of the Noble Lorct. to the adoption of Parliament.
Was he to understand that it was Ammible for war
.. wINI)Soa PARK.
to be tiiiitli.d en the ,;ry part e couniry-WiiirbrePc4' ! Mr. WHITBREAD said, in consequence of tbe
leen florae& rte exercising the power and Government proposed grant of 60001. to the Commissioners for
of France? managing Windsor Park, he had pat aquatic) 1

Lord CASTLEREAGH said, in the same low
tune, that the object of the engagement was certain-
ly to provide against the. power of Bonaparte by
making war upon him. It was for the Honourable
Gentleman, if he chose, to form his own conclusion,
whether such an engagement was incompatible with
making peace with him or not.
Mr. %WHITBREAD felt himself as much as ever
at a loss with the answer of the Noble. Lord. When
the Address was moved it was stated that there was
an alternative of war or peace; and even down to
the present time, except from an occasional loose or
unguarded expression which dropped from one or
other of the friends of the Noble Lord, nothing had
ever been stated to the House to induce them to
think that there was not still an alternative. He
believed it to -be understood by those present in the
House, who hid no suspicion of any delusion, that
there was a possible alternative in the existing state
of things, of war or peace with France. Now how
could this be reconciled with the Treaty and expla-
nation on the table.? ~
Lord CASTLERBAGO said he conceived he had
sufficiently' inswered the question already. lie left
the probability entirely with the Hon. Member.
Mr. WHITBREAD NO this was a most
.mys-
terious answer.—llls qiestion WAS as plain as .itt
could possibly be, andllna,N.,ble Lord's answer iris
equally. equivocal. To titer ,Metnbecs,in, tpe li?pea
wKo werottszions for Wirokat answer winder,lier-
haps, be understood—dal Weirld interpret_ it that
war was unavoidable with Napoleon Bonaparte.-4-
His friends. around him might pat what interpreta-
tion on it they thought fit. His own intepretation
was, that when the Address was moved the matter
was as much decided on as.at present, that then, as
well as at present, it was war and not peace ; and
he was convinced that the. war, would have been pro-
ceeded on before now had Dot some new circum-
stances occurred which the world were not aware oft
When the determination was taken ; and that it vts}si
hoped that these difficulties would yet be got over,
and the contract be'fulfilled. He could not think ot
letting the matter rest on such an answer. life
should certainly some day this week take the sense
of the House on tie Subject of the papers before the
House.

of the House to-ahoy. '.i • ~.., !,..4A.-,-;.•:•,.... . •
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Mr. WHITBREAD then "mov.ell tiot 'as Addiest
be prosentea to the Prince Regent, for 3 : Copy. of
the Commission or other instrunomt,-•resting certain
powers in the Earl of Yartnotith, Mr: Nash, and
Mr. Bicknell, respecting the IloyatPro•Mi: .'•
,Lord YARMOUTH :Otohalwerli Alva -there had
beet:so Ranger appointed tit •Witadsoiftrk einite4he
.dritla Of tit* lito:Dake of Cande;riatid.: ‘ •
Lord CAST LEREA GO , *relic:4oi* 00. iu &int
ground had been laid•for'comptyliisawitir.the Motion.
He appiebetided'lltilk. %Oa ifif,9ossisletit 11141' the
practice of-Parlismeot bei takeir sea: inette,is tinder
its cognizance. •••
_•,.. •- • •":o?t, • ~..,..,..,•, 4.. ,
Si ' Sir JOHN SIMEON lattlfrolP4ol4llollllool
motion. • -•
.: ! • 7'7' •.".-•••••-•*-•-`
. Mr. WHITBREAD Wished ',l.# ' ' -AY no lei
,Ranger, thioblllattnts titutiOend 011keii ' bef‘Op••
pointed to Viritaidior Pork since-Val ' • .the
King) Redid rot intend. to preas.alitsobiliolt •100 a
difisW.; j.
• Lord: YARMOUTH explained.... • . • • • ..
Mr. TIERNEY denied, that by 'the Act of the
53d Getirgellt It Wai..batorded to gli.i the Kin; a
power to break up the Parks that were ..given ,as _a
part of the'ftiyalty• to maintain" _tie .dignity of the
Crown. He repeated the titteatitTptiwAy ottAenstt
had been.appointed • • -
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said •'Averioriartlty not au&
ble in the Gallery.
Mr. TC EttNEY begged" to be informod abet was
the point of law that had mow, beep- „referred to-the
.Crown Lawyers, and why • It'•berr'hiot •baore Pm
decided, when thsColnfiniOtt bid: buses( so Olt ii
? ,t" ' '': . • ••:- - .'.., • . .. „ -. e\ '
. The CHANCELLOR of ihe . EXCHEQUER
said, that the opinion of the Legal Advisers - of the
Cmas was required'as soon as. the point was regu-
laky roiled.'
Me.,BENNETT asked whether there, would be
any objection mode to•the production of the orrice,
of the erection of the Thatched Palace? ' •
Mr. il IJSKISSON 'referred the nemesia* Otis.
tleman to the Treasury, which had histati.sattania
warrants for the money which had base •PiliCiP hie
dePiiiiinint.
Mr. Goo/bore and-Mr. Bennett said a few words,
iti'd the aikniellor of the. Exchequer admitted that
there would be no objective .to complete•the-acconon
already upon the table, tovi.certain dates reggrdiag
.the erections in 'Windsor Park. .. .
FEES AND ORATUITIPS IN THE ROYAL ROUSE.
• ' --- A9l.jck . -
Sir CII.ARLPS MEICIIICK. PI:KRELL role le
call' rhi lattlandonc4the-Hoise..fotbeSses.and Gra-
"el*" given
_to Ole %fronts-0,16e Royal Household.
The CcitraMitteo hppointed teatkitiai4' 0 the CI"
' List had- girewit as their oideiteawthat a higher platy
00.04 tl.4;l•lttitl,institta of ..thi. wait' ,and lees re•
ialnedi,,bet•as in, remedy hisl iol. been priPosed; he
th no M' briqg one the amities liviitta -be lot an nottocol
plieforie -die recess: -', fie ,tliata
,renrotted:the °die"'
piectice• of giving fees to somata, which,liad beef
abotlafidl•by theliofrility ared-itegnettriand 'which,
,irlioiii:r...-ci.ii4o4l !tatting .thein,' oftre pie/noted Per'
sews' et': en iitferior -fortune 4mM...raising. jo tile'r
'ltejet.y.' 'ilte
,iothecl,' the
,ftnikillosiehrld to be
,placed. on retch .a foetingta .to. Junries,,4ltio ittoetiee
unnecessary' that foreijitore should not have to say
Afrivill, Ail. country 4.)!A iiptAirimei even i iight
of the •Novereagw::: .Thili wiiraot.theioise •*llll the
Priebi-ftitithesAteitita;:tgef. ee'rer 001 1°0"
tie*SitiPfe•okkoffuti,fiteleutU4l A0eh1t04.44 leer r.
able. He then enteretinto • isoomination dll'e
'th`i.,-,e411,eL71444k.it0?a iti. 9 the Retie] lloptr•
ilit
"Plat. W ' 49/01 ft Abki At, %me .., ',stances they were
scarcely tiderCeetet4 the perFltase 'of their 'clulbii..ic;
It was riot astonishing therefore. that-lures fee
.S ty
'settuities should be necessary to make up that i..•

last
night to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if he less
ready to produce the power of Attorney-under whidt
these Commissioners acted? Before making a 0,,
tion on the Subject
.he would repeat the ipseithin
again to-night. ••• • •. , .
The CHANCELLOR of the •• EXCHEQUEws
answer was iristaidible to • '. •
Lord YARNI*OUTI.I said, it wee perfectly sell
known that for a number ef, years his present Ma.
jesty had set an example of farming•to the country,
which example was followed' by the Duke of Bra;
ford, Mr. Coke, and others. The King farmed s
part of 'the Royal Park by way of recreation; sod
the reanagemeut of it was-under, different men at dif.
ferent times. Three Gentlemen were appointed
Commissioners, of which he was one, under a Power
of attorney. They had done no act which tees not
done-by the former Commissioners, 'and, if it pleased
God to restore his Majesty, he woold.rective bark
his tannin exactly its former stare: • ice considered
that an enquiry of thil kind was prying into the pri.
rate concerns of the 'Sovereign. Ili! Majesty bad
always kept the Wardenship•of Winrigor Forest en.
plumed, that the dike might., not bellied up by Mi.
histers. He .could. aot help thinking this sort of
prying into the pilvata toweerne of the King W4l ra.
Fher indecorous.!•ThLenlirupence of the Commis.
lion was a clerk of the lowest description.
Mr. TIERNEY said, if-bo bad thoughti tbiseposubri.
ject indecorous, he Wobld Oot ha►e his n
to his Hon. Friend. But WE sruss s novelty intro-
duced:called a farm. The whole Park of Windsor
Might be converted in this. way:lnto...plata). Ho
_a tp know rhe,of!. • tlso Tortketts.ig rs
acted' under • a. -Comnilesion eifeertigf' Attorney.
Wiiiivas:stOto. Warden appointed'l9.o•4kl,4y
Here- werk throe Gentraiesioners, Subslituted 'lir an
established oficer, Warden.. ..somethia was:M:be
glutted by somebody, or the system would not hive
baeri i ntrod 'feed The! 'Verde ra IreitOUnsible to
sbjecOnititefed enthOrity, but to 'WhOlkstere•titese
tiwee Commissioners responsible? .Ale CAM not can.
jecture what connection an architect icoidd have with
farms ; hensight, indeed, be cdpiseitott.'iithtiteet.
pensive buildings at:present conitruetile itiVirindor
Park, but what connectiObtbefidattlieitills
cure, it tvould require the Ingetiollr elsionsejfis

Lord CASTLEREAGH ;aid, if the Honourable
Gentleman intended to take the sense of the Rouge
.
be had only to 'give notice of his motion.
Alt. WHITBREAD afterwards gave notice that
on Friday neat he should bring forward a motion on
the state of the nation, lavoiving the question of
peace oemar. . . .