The Statesman.
London, England, 1815-01-13 00:00:00

Approbation than the infiartithatory effu4ons of thosti
Witd preferred the most n!..itrs' wa! to the most ho.
nourable peace. As to the Treafy which had been
signed with A!;:v;ii-n,* it seas a fair subject of con.
gi ;aviation on the part of hat'city, the; peace had
been concluded Oil I,nournid<iN.trns. If the war
had been long carried on, we should hare been re-
duceil to this predicament. If by exhausting our r'e-
Soltrces, and by‘the destruction of the dower of our
soldiers, we had succeeded iti (!ismantliog the Ame,
rican towns, and had rit•ivril the inhabitants to the
mountains, we shol:Id hive in!lit re I great misery,.
lend sh;itild'Hre gaittrd tinthitf,. We should have,
lost our best customers, and laid open the American
continent to the 'ambition of n'her 'lotions. If, on
the other hand, the war should have been farther one
successful, howet'er no 'might lament our foinier
failures, we could trot bat rejeiee at the conclusion
of piace. Headmitted that it would le open to eti•
fluky and discussion, olirlher the war hail been well
condlieted. If we looked bick on the Aereral.tinrs
in which we had been engaged, and that Oven the•
most glorious ones had failed 'in their objects,
could it,,t enough rajoice in peace ; it was mut'h Mir?
noble for us to husband our resources, than to vitt
gage in petty wars, rind reserve our swerds "ohill-**l;
could draw them on occasions worthy of us. Mr.
F. concluded 1u seconding the :hares:, bel; tug that
the Court would, 17 agreeing to it, thus aCgrnati:to
all eh° delighted in war.
Dixonlll r. made some retinal% as to the inotian
in form not being ronsi•tene with t e eq
•Mr. linows said, C•arns the Court not know
The terms of peace, atid•until we knew O bether they
were just and honourable, those who contended that
interminable war was better than a pe:ice without an
abolition 'of the S:ave Trits.e,could tiornnw say that
we ought to approve of a Treaty eitheut knowing
the terms. Bosides this obhetiott I'o the Address, if
the I'eace was not ratified they might have to go up
with an Address, to thank Ilia Peince Regent' that
honourable' terms had been insisted If, on the
other bawl, It should tern out that improper terms
had been insistell on, the Court might feel it its ditty
to go op with an Addies§, condemniog the maint
of the Government in ii,Sisting on tern*, which the
President of the United' .9tates Could not, in justice
to the people of that COUntiy, ratify. He should,
Therefore, move the previous questidn. •
• Mr. Dixox observed, that the tenninaliow of
hostilities; which wont(' be the proper subject for
congratulation, had not taken place. Even after
the ratification hail been giver' it would cOntinui -ie
certain quarters. The worthy M ver of the • fed;
dress had not forgotten his old habits, but had
to pick some hole in the coat of the Administriarioitt
He thought it would he very premature at present to k
go up with the Address, but they should wait until
they could all go up with a happy assurancothit •
the hostilities would in reality terminate--;-that 014
terms of peace were just and honourable ; titheoo
there had never been war more just and honoerebia "
than that which we had undeitaken in our own de:
fence against the Americans—[Hear !]—The Ame..•
ricarertiaderizett the moment WilPtt they taught that
we were engaged in a contest .trigelt-alsoy thought we
could ill support, to thro* their •own weight epee
us to sink us to perdition. He was, ..however, glad .
that r;:e hostilities were terminated, but not knowing .
the terniv of the peace, he could not agree to the
Address. •
'•• Mr. 11Attrry said, that he had hoped wbsit..the
monen was brought fbrward, that every friend aof
the hitmae race would I.ave taken the-opportunity to
express his -satisfaciimi at the' prospect of uniaeing.
peace.' That• the/14' wits no ohj..Crion to the sisbitinie
of the Address 'wes 'strident, because it
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lagreed that the day was riot fir dista•nt'wheit alltet`-e:*
sons would agree to the Addre?... Writ it -ptvkinstuall. -•
to takb the first opportunity of ctegrattiliting it
Country and the world on attiohject whilb we bale
long wished for? • Tte rondo& z f :these' ;37.et,04e43
advocates-and champions of unattitnify was inotZ.,-eita,
tradrdinary, as inttesd of drawing a veil over their
' irregularities which had' been eofiunitted by 4ltis
country and America, they had turned ;ther atten-
lion more to the anuses of the war which. was past,*
than to the peace which had began. Why-was it no-
cessary that we should wait for that erent; which 'we
all knew wants! *take place—the ratiacatinn of the
treaty. The opposers of the- motion had neglected
the only strong hold which .4,0 v might-hate occupied
—the uncertainty whether the' tataritima rights of this
country laid been recognised be the Americans; and
as these rights were not now brought in question., as
we were at peace with all the wotld, lie • saw flit
reason to withhold his veice in favour of the motion.
Mr. 'ranee said a few words* in a tow tone of
voice. We conceived him to support the previous
question, on the ground that the-original inotien nes
premature.
Mr. JAcas had great doubts whether this was the
precise moment which was the most fit for an Ad-
dress. The simple 'question Was, whether we should
congratulate bn n probabilitf,-or whether we should
waiefor a certainty. The Newspapers themselves
were not agreed on the terms of the 'Treaty. some
of them asserted, that Attiorierr bad abandoned the
right of;curing fish on Nlibfootidlerid, cud of trading
to tbe East India, en the terms which were formerly
ipeairnmlietendy tech matter.her. .Other
whites.detii ed th
wato .were : tieer ehtTreatyus
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state of official Iglioriinee of the contents of the
Treaty, Ire titlleetothat it Weed be premature toad.
dress. He then-drew a Newspaper (torn his pocket,
and readfram that Pape} • telteral hostile passages of
the pubtleetion or Mr. •MeAfroe, the American . Fr.!.
Meaty a 6tate. -The Treaty was: signed at.Gbent
mt the 24thoinil ).ttlt4rhe London Pipets of ther23d
(tke very:tiny befeee) were full of the-hostile lan.
guava wf Mre•Moriroe. He said " that America
should net Concede ail- one p In', or make any se-
critic., for that concession 'of one point would lead
to csarrenderr'of every thing." After such 'intent
part of the Ainetican
fatithttite°d:nAh:lton.tiitsFerni
oatt{fia't:lghneoe'ligWratacgc:insoutipool lrirstaimtliayeteiliG7:heoYarftetelLatcdiofn:itledtielilnc,trdet:tiskt4yet
would be ratified ? They were then to considr r
whether they stolid net be s mew hat too forwares,
in an 'Address of Congratulation for an event which
perhaps might not take place ; and whether it would
not appear like catching at a shadow, when perlihpa •
the substance would escape us. As to what hail been
said aborit pattisig Assericatin the wrong, and }lacing

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• ' Approbation than the inflartithatory effo4ons of those
who preferred the most o!wias. war to the must ho. .
nvened yes.- tun:table peace. As to the Treaty which had been . •
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an, 'to -take signed with A!;:ewirn,* it WO; a fair subject of cots.
sting an ad- gt atulalinn on the part of (ha(' city, that peace had , . ,
cut, too the bee;) c:tiiriutit,() on hottouratottl Ntms. If the war i•
:sited States had been long carried on, we should have been re- •
duceil to this predicament. If by exiantivitog tour re- .
the motion sources, and bv'the dostruction of the dower of our
attentions of soldiers, we had cu6ceeried its eismantliog the AMP+
did not ex- rican towns, and had drivrts the inhatiitaots to the
he was the mountains, we should have inllice I great misery,
scause upon and shlittl(thare gailord nothinz. We should have.,
43(1 on the. Inst our best east omerS, and laid ripen the American
led a series continent to the 'ambition of o'her 'lotions. If, on
>r so ninny the other hand, 'the was should bare been farther on. 1
ace of the successful, how-et:et- aro 'tnight lament our foirner
know that failures, we could not bat rejcice nt the conclation
Objections of peace. He admitted that it wouid le open to en. .
se motion, ()airy and discussion, it hether the war had been well
Isich might contineted. If we looked back ows the Aereral.tinre t
n said that in whirl. we had been engaged, and that even the
from being 'mot, glorious ones had failed 'in their objects, tie
•esent oars- could ow,,t enough rrjolre in peace; it was much mere .
as the nwo- noble for us to husband our resociees, thaw to "WifL .. • s
Prince Re- gage in petty wars, and rs-serve our sweril.s shill -*ei
nerica. if could draw than on occasion's worthy of us. Mr.
lation, the F. concluded las; seconding the :hares:, bolting that .
late. The the Coert would, 1•y agreeing to it, tCus aCgmati:to .•
sesident of all 'also delighted its war.
Treaty.— 1 Mr. Maori made stone rerisailts as to the inotian . .
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which our ' in form not Ispiog consistent with tle eq wisition.
wble, they I 'Mr. linows said, tg'a'ins the Coal I aid not know t
'erica, put; the terms of peace, atad•until we ktrew v holier they
T act less . were just and honourable, those who contended that
;Dialed the interminable war was better than a peace without an
bility that, abolition 'of the S:ave Trat!e,rould twornow sal' that
s, the sig- i we ought to approve of a Treaty without knowing
subject of . the terms. Besides thiw: objection to the Address, if
dly as by i; the Peace was not ratified they might have to go up
,ntest with j with an Address, to thank the Priore -Regent that
t state. of 1 honourable' terms had been insisted On.' if, no the
. He did other hand, It should torn out that inaProiter terms •
vto flatter had beers insistell on, the Court might feel it its tinty ' 4
t prospect to go up with an Addies§, condemniog the Colltrlnt I •
h that the of the Government in ii,;riting on tern*, which the
in favour President of the United' .9tates Could not, in justice
mpting to to the people of that country; ratify. tie should,
)ns which Therefore, move the previous quevtioin. ' •
subject of * Mr. Dixox observed, that the tenninatiew Of
:h we had hostilities; which wool(' be the proper subject for
scussed.— congratulation, had not taken place. Even after
the Mini- the ratification had been givers it would continue-le
ly favour. certain (ranters. The worthy M weer of the •
en signed, dress had not forgotten his old habits, but had hopelll,i" ..
not thire- to pick some hole its the coat' of the Administriattois.: *.
an untie- He thought it would lie very premature at present 16 t
acted with go up with the Address, bat they should wait. until .. .
be Minis- they could all go up with a happy assurance that '
law would the hostilities would in reality terminate--•-that 014 . .. •
hemselres. terms of peace were just and honourable ; eltheogh
that ass there had never been war more just and honoursibiti, 7- :• ' . 1
* Regent, than thgt which we had undeitaken its our own tee 7.. .. i
le auspici. fence against the Americans—(Hear!]—The Ame..• -- •• . '
hvnty .of rieenahaderizeti the moment WilPtt they taught that , • -
Won they we were engaged in a contest .Willels-shag thought we :,----Pzi.--- •
ch a peace could ill support, to throW their •own weight opera ' •
p, and an us to sink us to perdition. He las, •however, clad .
of Lon- f that t;:e hostilities were terminated, but .sot knowing . . - '
hose ant- the ternis of the peace, he could not agree to the
milt sides Address. '
of friend. '•• Mr. 11Aft.vet said,. that he had hoped wltsCshe
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'headvan. motion was brought fbrward, that every friend4of l
.vlien they•• the heman race would I.ave taken the-opportunity to
wary la. express his 'satisfactimi at the' prospect of uoivei.ell
, the pres- peace.' Thst•theTe: wits: no otti..e!ion tei the sabstinie - . .
aisingthe of the Address 'was 'exident, because it had Keen •
was said agreed that the day was not far dista•utvlinis all tiet'.". .i
ender the sons would agree to the Addre?... Wat it ereintruell. -•
ht be an- to take the first opportunity of ctstgratdlating ',tit . • 1i
.ats which country and the world on aniohj.ct whilll we bad'il •
r want of long wished for'? ' Tl.d conduct of .these' •;I:%eten4ed ' ... 1
he nature advocatfs -and champions of unattitilify was incni.,.git,
end of a tradrdinary, at Instead of droning a veil over the,
Lvy•of the j irregularities which had been itosionittOd by Whist
or could I country and America, they had turned ;their :ohm-
men em- f (ion more to the classes of the war which. was past,'
mottled I then to the peace which liati began. Why-was it no-
which he I cessn ry that we should wait for that Pont, which 'we
with any I all knew worth! 'take place—the ratitication of the
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an, which treaty. The opposers of the" motion had neglected
I to exte- the only strong hold u-loithrhoy noight-hate occupied
ars remiss- —tlt uncertainty whether the' tneritiont rights of this
peace.— country had beets recognised by the Americans; and
_sleets had as these rights were not now brought in question., as ... , .
gilt fairly we were at peace with all the wotld, lie • saw tab
which we reason to withhold his veice in favour of the motion. •
Ica, bane- Mr. TA nov said a few winds' in a tow tone of
vre might mice. We conceived him to support the previous
Sal situa. question, on the ground that theuriglual motion nes
lief from premature. . • .
that (the Mr. „tacit, had great doubts whether this was the
ri so re- precise moment which was time most fit for an Ad- 1 i ,
'ss which dress. The simple question slts, whether we should
complied congratulate bn n probabilitf,-or whether we should
stain no. svait•for a certainty. The Newspapers themselves
y Gentle. were not agreed on the terms of the 'Treaty. some
I and du- of them asserted, that Astierira• had abandoned the
agent, to right of;curing fish on Ntiti.foolidlaild, cud of trading t
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signature to the Katt India, on the terms which were formerly
.of Ame- permitted her. _Others denied that: the Treaty con.
tainedeoy each matter. • white - wo..were thus in a
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and con- stow of °fagot Ignorance of the contents of the
L prospect Treaty, be thltaetothat it ;Coed be premature to ad. . .f‘
and that dress. He 4hen-4rew a Nfl.opecer from his pocket,
son' again and readfrom that PapA• • IlNeral hostile passage. of -
with •-the the pubtloation of` Mr: •MeAroe, the American • Se'.
arOvilt a creastrybi 6tute. 'The Trebly was: signed at-Ghent
lered teat ien the 241h,sarul ).ttlftrhe London Pipets of the:234
direct war : (the very;day befoVe) were full of the -hostile lan.
Oiler • 20; i gullet !Of Mr.- Monroe. He ,said cc that America ,
with Res. i shoed net concede tiny. one p In', or make any se-
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eat'years critic., for that concession 'of one -point would lead
,s. Not.J to a earrenderr'of every thing." After such violent
part of the Ametiratt
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[mu balo ' perhaps might not take place ; and whether it would
so, could ' not appear like catching at a shadow, when periMps •
e to the. the substance would escape us. As to what hail been
rorthy of said abotit pattieg Arnericatin the wrong, g sad ilacieg
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