The Statesman.
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they would Pot hear a single
prove? Thal it was impossible
where the maids of men were mach
riance on any subject, to draw
proceedings of such a meeting.
strength to lw able to maintain a place its such a meet-
ing. Ile knew several bade ruing men who bad been
present, and who declared that they Would never go to
such a meeting again. He was sorprima to find the
name of an honourable 31emher on the opposite side,
who had himself been a party nut two years ago to a
private meeting such as out from which the late Ueda-
tion emanated, to the Requisition for the Sleeting at the
31ansion-honse. This appeared to hint to be somewhat
inconsistent. As to the way in which the question had
been put, as Ise haul retired from his place at the time he
could not speak to it: lint he believed it was generally
understood. that the motion on which the show of hands
took place was, th.t Ode question should not be put.
Mr. ASTELL, after the personal allusion which had
been just made to him by the hon. Baronet, begged to
defend himself from the charge of inconsistency. When
a year and a half ago he hail assisted at a private meet-
ing of the 31erchants and Bankers of London, the coun-
try was in a different state. If new lights had since
that time 'woken in upon him, why was he not to at-
tend a public meeting ? The object of that private
meeting was to consider the exprolieocy of the Bills
I which had been brought into) Parliament, and which he
unetrivocally upheld. The very circumstance of the
passing of those Bills rendered private meetings less ne-
cessary ; becanse at present no imploper persons could
break is npon a pololic meeting of the Merchants awl
Bankers of the City of London. It was his derided
opinion, that there womb! have been no to eeeee It in the
Egyptian Hall, het for the hots. Baronet's Yrientls.
The Declaration of the Merch lots who met at the Or).
of Lonohm Tavern. 1V:04 rut forth as the Declaration of
the City of London, which it was not; nor had the per-
sons who vt ;filed that Petition, any claim to exctotove
loyalty. That those %vim signed the Petition, were as
loyal and as well disposed to preserve the public peace.
and to Maintain the ( onstitntion, would be evident to
any one who looked at their moors, and who saw their
property and their rank in life. It was, however, their
dotty to tell the lhotse of Commons what their opinions
was; and 114.114o:trot ato I trusted that the gond sense coo-
tained in their Petition, :tool the general feeling of the
country, woold succeed in elf wting the restoration of
her Majesty .4 name to the Liturgy, from a Idyll, in his
opinion. it had been i'Aegany reatuved.
Lord MILT( )N ov:.s sere tit it the lions, had beard,
with the gremest regret from the honourable Baronet,
that henceforth it %%amid lw in vain to raped to ascer-
tain the sentiments of tl.e Merchants and Bankers of
the City of London, from any public meeting at which
they were assettdoled. Phis mit the more painful, as
the sentimenos oof such a 100 Iv were in themselves highly
important: and as it WaS always of importance that the
!louse of l'onstnions should hate ass opportunity of know-
ing the sentiments of their Constituents. The honour-
able Baronet hail said, that he had ,ioriteil the deelara
ti.in, nits gds Ise th.stsalst it dish mot go far enough, he-
cause lie thought, to use the Iloonourahle Baronet's own
phraseology, t'his Majesty ought to be cheered up."
%Viten, however, the I tomoolorable Baronet coupled with
that sentiment ass approbation of the measures of Mini-
sters, he expresso-II two opinions completely distinct
Irons earls other; I..waese, if there was any one propo-
sition more et Wen t than another, it was that the
measures which had hero adopted by his Majesty's
Ministers were very far from being Leneficial to the
"rows.

llr. %YELLS exiillined hi. re:t4iins for NiVling the
declaration, an.l i!• charreter. lie denied
that there W.is the Oilfl.test griotnil for asserting that it
had been got op in a cl:inilcstioc in.itiner. lie described
the great difficulty irhirle he It.iJ experienced in obtain-
a plan at the rgyptian-liall. o,lld tontelKeil limit the
Petition did not express the reeti net 14 the majoraty of
the Merchants Anil hanker, of tie City of Lipoilion.

Mr Alderman WI It II) could a,-ire the House that the
presence of the liarom". had been the only cause of
the titititilt in irie•thiti. hill an hour before the busi-
ness began, the Min. Baronet took a foremost seat un
the Misting -44 and showed himself oil in great style,
bowing to all his friends, and telling them lie was very
glad to see them. In all City Meetings there was a little
noise; but the lion. 11....inet had himself allunvell that.
the Petition haul been ear, lIV a majority of three to
one.—(Sir W. fortis—" The liesolistiens".). Well, the
Remlotions. The 114411. Baronet had firs: said the Pell-
Lion. 'Elie Petition was read by the Lord Mayor him-
self. and in putting the question did all in his power to
be heard in so large an tossembly, liv holding up the Pe-
tition anti calling oat " This is the Petition." What
could he do tuore ? lk (.‘ldertacin W 114441) %timid ven-
ture to assert, that the majority in favour of 11... s'etitiun
was five to one. The lion. Slenther w'io had just sat
dawn hail talked of the great difficulty of getting on the
heating.. Ile would ask that lion. lientletnan whether
or not lie was one of a !wily of two ur three hundred
' persons who came to the hail with a view to take posses-
sion, of the hosting,: In the excelleat dispositions of
the Lard 3layor 1., arcomutoilate both sides of the lines-
lion, he allo.vell a party of those who lead signed the
Declaration to lee admitted into a parlour, into which i
were also admitted the requisitionists of the public ,
meeting; an.l from which parlour there was easy access I
to the hustings. Ile appealed to the House and I
to the laundry whether there could lw a faired
proceeding. As to the t it arose immediately after
the spreeli of the seconder of the llottuttrahle Baronet's
motion, Mr. Itusanquet, who had been patiently heard
throughout.
3:r. BARINII, after the very utile statement of Isis
lion. Friend who had presented the Petition, would not
detain the House at any great length. The fact certainly
was, that a I. unworthy combination to prevent
hearing any thing lint what contented with their own
sentiments was never witnessed than that which some
respectable persons allowed theisiselvrii tu• Kerrie me-slass.
occasion alluded to. only reason to account for it,
in his opinion, was, that those persons were endeavour-
prove to the country that public meetings were a
farce. Not only had others been intermitted by those
petAlits, but e‘ew the lion. Baronet himself. There was
ne amid.% in the city of London, hut that circulars had
lien issues! Will a regular plan formed to deter the mer-
chants and bankers from ever assembling again. Ile
altogether disagreed with the Don. Baronet in his gene-
re! character of such meetings. Ali which lie (Me, B.)
had attended before this last, were eundocted with She
greatest regard to order ; and but for the combination
and conspiracy of which he had already spoken, he was
persuaded that the last meeting would have passed off
as quietly as any of its preilreeasers. It was deeply
to be regretted that such an issue should have been
prevented by persons who undoubtedly were of highly
respectable character. 1101 ttttt rable Baronet had
asked why the Loyal !federation (as it was termed) had
awakened any jealousy ? in the first place, it was said
to be the Declaration of the Merchants and Bankers of
the City of London. .kt least, so it had been originally
des:ribeil in the placards, althostkli, within these few
days, that description haul been corrected. The Honentia
ably Baronet had asked why the 31erchants anti Baskets
of the City of London should feel any hesitation is
signing a mere Declaration of Loyalty : It would be
impertinent in bins (Sir. Haring) to say one word in de-
fence of the loyalty of the Merchants and Bankers of
the City of Lyndon. But the question was, whether
the question was a fit one for sending forth such a De-
claration—(hear, hear !)?-11te Declaration, besides its
loyalty, also stated that sedition and blasphemy abound.

of making an impression
measures of his Majesty's
occasioned by 'Alio* and
- thought otherwise; and
...Iry to state ic their opinios what
*as the real cense of the present state of the countrv—
iefnely, the proceedings which had been instituted
against her Majesty. They preferred dyeing this, in the
form of a Petition to the House of ('ommons, to framing
any Counter-Aildrees to the Throne ; because they felt
the propriety of avoiding. except on the occurrence of
a great neeyeasity, any step that ought he considered per.
sonally offensive to his Majesty. The Loyal Declaration
had evidently been got up to serve as a kind of counter.
balance to the numerous Petit:ons 'thick were pour-
ing in from every part of the country. Like
gathers of a simii.ir character. it had originated in the
Treasury ; and was neilk and water, because no one
would venture to administer any thing stronger. There
was no foundation whatever for the assertion which it
contained, of the prevalence of sedition and blasphemy.
If any part of the Empire conld more than another
effectually contradict the aspersion, that the greet mass
of the people were diaatfected to the existing institu-
tions, it was the Cite of London ; for no one would have
witnessed the meetings at Spafiehla t,nd elsewhere with.
out feeling how contemptible, both in character and in
cumbers, were the persons who were called Radicals.
He would not agree, therefore, that there was any want of
loyalty in the country. But tier loyalty of Englishmen
was a rational feeling, and was never in greater jeopardy
than when Ministers dragged his Majesty and time Royal
Family through the mud, as they had lately done ; and
then pretended to lieekl them up as objects of admiration
(Year, hear, bear')—lt was no sueall matter that Mi•
legatees had brought his Majesty into such a condition,
that the lion. Baronet should think he wanted a little
"cheering np."—(Hear, hear, hear !) He perfectly be-
, liereel that the Hon. Baronet was correct i.e supposing
that such was the case, when he saw that his Majesty
-could hardly change post-horses in any town in Eng-
I land, where the conduct of his Ministers had not created
' a feeling which rendered it difficult for him to pass
through with decency—(Dear, hear, hear !)—As to tier
question of loyalty, the feelings toanifested by all classes
of the people on the death of his late Majesty, and on
the death of the Princess Charlotte, proved it to he the
basest calumny to Ely that the present feelings of the
country were produced by any other cause than by the
manner in which his Majesty amid the Royal Family had
been drageeel through the dirt by the ikoble Lord and
his Colleages—(llear, hear !)
Mr. WILSON could nut exactly agree either with
the lion. Baronet or with the lion. Member for Taun-
ton. Ile denied the declaration of the former, that
the lion. Mover of the Itesolutions was distinctly
heard. Ile denied time assertion of the latter, that the
tumult was the result of any combination or conspi-
racy. He slid not believe one word of such a charge,
and was convinced it was utterly uufunneleil.
Mr.°. PHILLIPS declared that lee had never wit-
nessed more disorderly and disgraceful conduct than
on the occasion in question. The exclusive loyalists
and lovers of order were shouting, hissing, and adopt-
ing every other means of cleating a tumult. lie heard
the conversation of some of those who were near him,
and it ran on the impetasibility of deliberation at a public
meeting, on the probability that that would be the last
public meeting of the kind in the metropolis, and on si-
milar topic's. There was every appearance of a combi-
nation tee create disorder. The Hoot. Baronet's appear-
snee was a signal for 'Reorder ; and he was not heard
himself, in eouseqnetice of the noise which his friends
made. As sewn as his Honorable Friend (Mr. Baring)
began to make some remarks on the figurative language
of Mr. Hosatiquet, and to meal the Meeting to the rent,
Mate of the question, tlieu thee noise of the lovers of
egder was so great Basil% was ins milde for him. Ile
was surprised to hear the te tiammset express a
doubt whether the Itemielsitions were carried, for he was
much mistaken if he (Mr. P.) did not hear the ilenour•
aide Baronet, when some of the levers of order on the
hustings expressed a doubt ar to the result, express
himself satiatied that they were clearly carried. lie (Mr-
P.) was quite satisfied, from *het he observed, that they
were carried, as far slier could judge. by 3 to 2.
Sir W. CCBTIS raid the Honourable Member was
mistaken in supposing that he gave an opinion on the
hustings that tier Resolutions were carried. Ile was
domibtfol as to tier majerity.
The Petition ass brought epand laid upon the Table.
Mr..IIHIN SMITH, in noosing that thee Petition he
printed, said, an Hon. Member had very erroneously
supposed that he did not do justice to the (lentham'
who signed the Declaration. Ile used the word dander-
tine in opposition to open and "Wired Meeting.. if a
notice had been given, lee should have attended, an&
though lee should have concurred in what was done, lee
should have proposed to add aim Amendment.
The Petitiou was laid upon the Table.
LITL*II6 V.
Mr. J. SMITH acid, that, convinced as he was, that
the only way tee restore peace end tranquillity to the
country, was by again inserting her Majesty's name in
the Liturgy, he should have felt it his duty, charged as
he was with this Petition, to give notice of a motion that
the name of the Queen hr restored to thee Liturgy. /le
tuns happy, boo eyer, that another tientlemati had done
it : that motion would have leis cordial support.
Sir It. HERON said, lee had given a notice of a mo-
tion on the subject of thee Liturgy, from his stale of its
importance amd tereessity, and without a knowledge of
time intention of the Holm. member (Mr. J. Smith.) But
it was impossible that such a motion should not dame
with greater weight from., the Hon. Member who wus
charged with the Petition of the Merchants of Louden,
as it was certain it would be supported with greater
talent. He shotilil therefore surrender his motion into
the bands of HO Hon. tientleman. The Hose. Baronet
pilumaritiodasui-leis sake.
I Mk. J. SMITH said, that in stoat case lei reTittautly
gma notice for Tuesday the 13th of a motion to remote
her Umejestv's same to the Liturgy.
SHERIFF OF DURLIN.
Lord J. RUSSELL postponed leis notice respecting- the
conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin till Wedneediav next.
Colonel I).‘VIES moved for returns respecting the
Militia of the lonian Isles, of the Pensioned linielsts of
Malta, and the Arrears of Regimental At-taunts.—
Ordered.
I.IIIEL IN TIIE GAZE'FTE.
The debate on the Linglioline Presbytery's Address,
published in thee Gazette was resumed.
The motion was agreed tee. that " The dutiful and
loyal Address of tlee Preehyteries of Langlioline, in the
c emir of Dimnifriee, which was published in the Lawton
tiasette of 2d Jatanary last, contains passages in manifest
breach oldie essential privileges of this House of Paths-

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nsent."
Sir J. NEWPORT then moved that the following Mi.
nute be entered in the Journals :--" A communication
having been officially made to the House, that the inser-
tion of the afore-mentione4l .lildress, containing the pas.
mores justly rompliineil of, had been inserted by load.
vertence, the House does not feel called upon further to
notice the same."
Mr. HUME wiiheil to know whether this Resolu-
tion could not be itHerted in the Loads* Gazette, is
which the libel appeared,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
there was a standing order of the Noose, ►y which the
votes were not to he printed. 'swept by persona specially
appointed.—The motion was agreed to.

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word. What did that etkia Ike botlntr;, kith a view
ble in a popolona city thitit ogitatitia *Celt the I
mach agitated and at via. itlaistors had abased was ore.
any cum in:lion f►om the blasphemy. The Petitioners
ng. It required greet they thooarlat it their dory to a
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