The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-08-23 00:00:00

After knocking-at Berg mi's ,'..or,
him time. did you open the dour tv
open the dour.
Where were you when Berge:111 came *at ?girl
knocked at the door, and not getting an answer, ion
loom stair., where I saw all the fancily and Bergami.
How soon after you fired the piece, did yon see Bee.
7ami and the rest of the household come out ?—1 &en,
then went and knocked at Bergand's door, got no an-
swer, ran' back to the place wit-ay I fired, and said
robh•rs, robbers, we have in the house; remained there,
an.: the people retired. • •
How long did you remain at Bergami's door?---
I remained 110010 time, and knocked louder and louder.
Did you go below from Bergawi's door :---I went
to where the robbers were.
Where did you first see Bergatui after that time?
----in the same room where I returned, and where the
robbers were.
You said that her Royal Highness went to the,
Grand Bretagne at Venice ?---Yes.
What room was next to her Royal Highness's bed-
room at that Hotel?--A great saloon, and in OW
corner a door which led to her bed-chamber.
What other room was neat to that of the Prians
and opening into it ?---On one side was a saints% seti.;
another a door to a room, and on another ~tilt
windows.
Was there any oth,e room on any of the foot' asim
of the room in which her Royal Highness slept Es.-ss
There was on two sides, a room, and on the third 10.0
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other rooms.
Was there not a room used as a sitting room, which
opened into the queen's bed room?---There was,but I
do not know what use was made of it.
Where did Ilieronynots sleep ?---.Von we/ ricordo. I
do not remember.
Where dill Capt. Hultman sleep .:----„Von me dearth.,
T don't remember. •
Where did Mr. Austin sleep rieurdo.•
don't remember.
Was ilieronymous at Venice?----Yes.
Was I 'apt. Holtman at Venice?---Yes.
Was Williaut Austin there --Yes. •
IVas Camera there?--No.
Was Victorine, lierganti's child, there?---I thee
rem, mber.
Did the child sleep generally with the Princess, af-
ter she came to lice with her Royal Highness de
not know.
Did you ever know her to have slept ijs• any other
I art uf.the house ?--11 do not know. / •
Or on board the ships ? I do not !owls%
Do von know whether site slept in any other parte
of the houses which the Princess inhabited, and the
ships in which she went, beside, the arartment of the
Princess ? --Sometimes she slept under the pavilion of
the Princess.
[Here the Interpreter observed to the House, that
the witness, from the difficulty he found to , wake him
understand his meaning, appeared incapable of com-
prehending the most common words of his native lea-

guar.]
Will you swear that you ever kue.w the child Vic-
torine to sleep in any other part of the house, except
where the Prircess slept ?--Sometimes she slept iu the
pavilion with the Prisms, sometimes on the bed in
the Princess's room below, and sometimes with the
[Lime

Whom do yos wean by the Lady of Honour ?--The
Countess Oldi.
Who beside yourself ever saw the child Vic!orine
sleeping out of the beJ of her Royal Highness ?---I
don't know.
Did y.,u yourself ever see Victorine in a beJ or in a
room in which her Royal highness was not to sleep ?
I bare never seen any.
Did Mr. Burrell, an English Gentleman, go to
Venice with her Royal Highuessi.—Noa m ricordo.
I don't remember.

Do you recollect a gentleman of that name in the
family of her Royal Highness fur any length of time
--Yes.
When and where did you see him ?—At Villa Vil-
lani and at Milan.
Did you see him at the Boro'•ieu Islands ?.—Nost
od record°. I don't remember.
At Venictr?—.Voq mi ricordo. I don't remember.

When her Royal Highness the second time visited
Genoa, was the arrangementof the rooms, with reaped
to the Princess and Bergansi, the same as on the tint
visit ?—The Princess only stopped at Genoa once; the
second time she went en board the ship.
Flare you ever seen the villa d'Este since I:—Yes.
Was the disposition of the rooms the same as before,
with respect to the rooms of Bergs:sal and the Prin-
cess ?--!'hey were not. •
Was there not a staircase or landing-glace nn the
side of the Princess's room ?—There was a small cor-
ridor.
• - Was there not a sitting.eous, on • the ether side ?
There was on one aisle a small corridor- or folding-
door, on the left a small cabinet, et the epdof which
was another door which led to the supper-roota.
Did not the supper-room communioate with another
min where the maids stept ?—On the 'right of the
-"supper-room there was a room where Bergaesi slept,
on the left was an alcove where there wts a bed.
• How many doors were there in the sitting-room
I saw two open.
Where did her Royal Highness's maid sleep?—in
another part.
By whit passage did the maid-servants get to her
Royal Highness's bed-rooro?—Through the small cor-
ridor or folding-door.
Mr. Bnoton.sat—Upon the journey when her
Royal Highness used tents for resting in, he has tnhi
its that her practice was to travel by night, and to rest
by day..—Yes.
Did her Royal Highness ride on this journey ?-
-She rode on horseback,.
About how many hours, as near as be can state, was
she in the'habit of riding before sbe.stopped to pitch
her tents for the day ?---She mounted an horseback at
Ann-set, andslitmounted when the Son rose the follow-
ing morning..
About how nsany hours-was this ?—He does au: re-
Collect.

Was it four hours i--fle can't srti•.
Will the witness take upon himself to swear that he
did not souietims‘ rid; in the :horning fur hu%trs
witheut LaMug, •llt• do! s n r .4; oi!ect

that she vat Ivry tired,
heraeliou urLish sofa.
flare you not seen her attendants supporting her

from excess of beat 7.—Could not remember.
I understand there were nu bedclothes put upon
the sofa in her Majesty's tent; am I correct 7—Does
not remember.
Was it nut put down as it *as carried, as a com-
mon sofa is a room 7—There was a pillow, and the
sofa was placed near it.
The other couch in her Majesty's tent was an iron
bedstead I believe; was there not a mattress belong-
ing to it to render it more soft to lie upon 10*7'here
was.
Was it not cued in leather ?—Don't recuHect.
Wu it not your office to put it there yourself?—lt
was my office to place the bed.
These were the same be,:steads and sofa that were
used on board the Polaere ?—lhat he doss not. re-
collect.
If it was nut the same identical sofa, was it not so
like that von might mistake one fur the other?—He
does not remember.
Was it not the constant practice of her Royal High-
ness to throw herself down in the middle of the day
to re •:t ?—That he does not remember.
faciesCon repeated 7—l paid no attention.
' Will you take upon yourself to ?wear that during
that journey and voyage the Princess ever took off
one stitch of her elothes?--After her Royal Mgt-
ness had distnonnted from the horse she undressed,
before she went to rest.
What part of her Royal Iliglin,ss's clothes do you
mean to swear site took off fur .that purte•te 7—The
upper garments.
Do you mean to say that she took off her row-it, or
a suaoet, or cloak she had been riding with ?---Does
nut reinetaber.•

Was•there not a cloak her Royal Highness threw
over herself immediately on dismouttting,,fer the pur-
pose of reposing in it ?---That he 41001 recollect.
Did She put on a mantle when she mounted ?
Does not ri member. _ _

Were there sheets or blankets *miler the *Oh or bed
where a person taking rOtheirelotlos might teat in P--
1 pnt a pillow there, anti then retired.
You did not put any sheet• or blankets ?—I do not
rerneinkr !

Will you swear you never saw, during the land or,
sea journey in Palestine, one smelt of bed-clothes?—
Thai I dose! reinctriber !

Who, except yourself and Carlini, ever made those
beds, either on land or sea ?--Tfist / don't seeollect
Have yon not sworn it wrs yoar's and Carlini's
duty to place those bed ?--I placed the beds there and
went out. . •
• Nuw as you have told n• that you placed them
there, pruy who rensoved thctu in the morning;--That
I don't )c,r. tiptoe r.

Will you swear Aikt it wa% not yourself ?—Titiie I
00 Y 1111:14131•11t ! •
tpon being pressed further, he made the following
statement, evincing perfect knowl.ige of what he had
the moment before declared his total ignorance:
" In the evening, I was ordered to make the bah;
I carried the et:id/ion there; and is Me morsisf
called a,:d took die eatable,* *raj for it was not a
matrimonial bed, not a large bed, but merely a single
cushion that I placed there !"
Have you ever seen Billy Austin in the tent resting
in the sauce way ?----I do not recollect.
Have you ever seen Hieronymus there?---1 do not
recollect. •
Where di.l you sleep yourself ?--On the sofa in the
room where they dined.

Always ?--When I was unwell I went to the ham-
mock below.

W here did the maids aleep?--I do not know.
Where did Capt. Flynn aleep?----I do not know.
You kn .w that there Ira; such a person on board, a
sea officer ?—Yes.

Was not Lieut. Flynn (as the witness calls him), in
her Royal Highness's suite on the land u well as Ilse
sea voyage ?--I do not remember.

Did you ever see him at the Villa d'Este, or the
Villa Villani, or at any other Villa?--1 don't recollect.
ion must recollect when you saw Capt. Flynn the
last time ?--I do not recollect.

Were you ever sick on board the vessel ?—[Some dis-
pute having arisen with respect to the accuracy of the
translation of the answer to this question, the other trans-
lator was called upon. Eventually, the answer was al-
lowed to be to the following effect] :—When on board
I was more unwell than well. I was almost always
unwell.
Have you not for days together never made your ap-
pearance on deck?—Sometimes I was a whole day with-
out coining up.
Will you swear that yen Srere.sot sometimes several
days together, snore than two whole days, without cow-
ing tip on deck P--f was whole clays together without
coming up. [Some .Noble Lords appeared to dissent,
from the accuracy of the translation of this answer.]
Will you swear that you were never during the
whole voyage more than one day and night together
without coining upon deck ?—{!Soiree difficulty being ex-
perienced by the translator to interpret the answer to
this question, he addressed the House to the following
effect :—" My Lords, with all possible submission
I beg to observe, that 1 cannot translate 'What he says,
literally. If I had a man of talent to deal with I should
have no difficulty, but with the farfellonian lianteluke
by my side—(A laugh)—it is impossible for me not
sometimes to feel difficulty. After a short discussion it
was ordered that the other interpreter should translate

the answer. The question havi4 been pat again. the
-answer was —Yes.
Were you the only person on deck in that part of the
ship where the trnt was?-1 did not sleep on the deck.
When you saw her Royal Highness in the tent before
you went below. were you the only person on the deck ?
do net remember.

Were there no sailors on board ?-11nay.
Did they never come on deck ?—I do not rtrollect.
Did those excellent sailors always rentals belowt-4 eaa-
ot know where they were at night.
Rat you taw sailnev there during the day !—Yea.
hue many sailors were there on board?—l do ItOt
le number.

Were there four !--1 do not know 1
Wei ere nitre twenty-two ?-11 cannot
About what size was the ship ?----I
no knowledge of Mips.
So that, whether there were two. or two
oltahoarti. you cannot tale upon yourself to
I cannot tell.
Was there a captain of the ship ?—'
snap.

A t :"N\ t

k ~ ll'

of Qldl ?—I do not recollect.

• , P. "to

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bolo
ogiag to thostup?._/ is

below ?—I know I skip lleno,

In what part of the ship was the regular place forth
livery servants of her Ro}al Highness to aleept—i ow
know ; 1 410 not remrmbrr.
Wave not roe • livery-certain i—Yea.
Pow many masts had the vessel 1--Three.
Will you swear that she was not a ship of three h 0066
' tons l--illeveral Noble Lords appeared to consider
unfit question.]-1 have no knowledge of ships.
When her Royal Highness slept bele*. kid show,
mom la the Inside beyond the dining room 1-1 do is' w:
collect.
Where did her Royal Highness sleep on the voyage rfat
Sicily to Tunis t-1 do not remembers.
Where did she sleep on the voyage trom'renis to cilia,
tiolple•t—l do not remember.
When did she sleep upon the voyage from Coons**
to Paleatiue t—l do not remember.
Warr. did Bergami sleep on those three voyages?-4 6
rot know.
Where d d you sleep yourself; below, in the holdt—Te.
Were von ever in the dining-room is wMek the bluing
used to dine on board shipt—Yee.
How many doors were there in the roast-4 do I,x,
member.
Do you know that there were two rooms wand on it
that room in the inside t—l do not remember.
Was not the bath, when the bath was takto by her btu
Highness, always taken in the dieing-room Itself 1..-Not 4
the dlniog-room, bet in the room nest to It—enather wai
room.

Where I—ln another small room beyond.
Do you mean that after entering from the forapasset‘
vessel lino the dining-room, there was thee a mall ream
As soon as you were inside the dialog-room Mercian
small room Inside where her Royal Highness toe} Rain"
[Here her Majesty retired, followed by Lady Amelia.
How °Rem will you swear that her Royal Highness tee
the bath during the voyage ;—I can swear to two dim
Was it Bergawi's nice to prepare the bath for bet leye
Richness don't know. I believe not.
Whose nice was it in her Royal Highness's bommesldt
I do not know. _

Was It your otace?-1 was ordered to nrry valor lOW
bath.

Did you earn the water into the bath itself, wooly is Ile
door nf the ditang-room?-1 was ordered to make the balk.
I used to half fill it with water. I then celled ;be
put his hand in to ascertain the temperatere, later. to
get ready more hot triter, as it might be sees nary:
When you half filled the bath, and afterwaads called Sur.
gam!. was dn) one else in the room but Beeped sad your-
self ?—No one else.
Did you not retire. and leave Herpes/ bate if dm halk
was rightly prepared—rightly Melee—Alter ealliag Ber-
g smi. sod after be bad thrust ,his hand iMe lath le sseer-
irin the temperature, be ordered me to got toady MOM water
to give hint. if necessary.
Its the dining-room was there not another roma eras*
into it, besides the room in which the bath was I-1 is ash
r

1F itl you take up'n you to swear tilt there vier* not tut
lurtruents—ooa for thoPrineses, the east for tat Cowan

Will you swear that Maurice Camara did not steep tirts!
-I newer saw him.
Did you never see Maurice Camera on the map at 11l
du nut Meow where he slept.
It as he not on board and with her Royal Higher
Jiir:og the whole voyage ?—Yu.
lint yon swear that he did not sleep b that reem2—l
cannot swear.
Does witness know whether Camera was a maid
Bergawi ?-1 do not know.
I ask if witness had heard any persons laiwissihr
1 Berg:sail and Camera were related ?--al serer
mentioned.
What number of maid secants attended bee
! ilighnees daring the hong voyage of which WWI
spoken ?--Maur set Dumont, a servant Named Bess*
(as we understood), and the Countess of Oldi, riterki
her Itoyal Highness.
Has the witness seen Mademoiselle Dismost deers his
dismissal from the service °Chet Royal Highaese2-1
have since seen her at Naples, but 1 cannot mosaic
when.
At what particular period did witaess last see lim%
sell, Duitio.it 2—l last saw her at Pesaro; it rude
I had left the service of her Royal Highness.
Has the witness seen Blani'selle Dumont sisse2—
Never.
Has witness nor seen this person at say period Mist?
—Never.
j Does witness know where Matn'selle Damsel is st
I present?-1 do not.
I Does witness know whether Mam'selle Dement is dNi
Or alive.at this moment?-1 rannot tell.
Has the witness ever beard of Maueselle Dumont she
he left the villa d'Este.2--Never.
Has the witness beard her talked of since the paid
to which he allulles?—No.
Did witness never hear her name asentioned Bimodal
period of which he has spoken?—Nave to the bests(
my recollection.
Hes witness heard the name of Siipise saitatimml siw
he leg Pesaro?-1 have.
Has witness seen Saltine since —Yes;? E spittle he
once at the Piazza, at Milan.
Did witness speak to this person more titan ONO MO
his departure from Pesaro ? —Not more dim sae, es hi
as I recollect. I do not say that I baronet spokestetime
to hi.. 14 is possible thit I have, bet Ido not mole
it.
Now will you toll as who were by at the time ohm
you say you saw the Princess and Bergansi at hemlllo
at any time?--(There was a short pause *a the pet
ep
witness.)
You yesterday said that you had met the PAW
sod Beigand at breakfast together ?—Yes.
Who else saw them besides ilieronymat and yawl
The Souciroa-listaltßaL—" 1 object to dared,
I do not recollect witness's Basing said
wax proem when the Princess sod
together. It is for my Learned Friend to shew Saw
has been said before he pats the quest/as.
(Examination continued by Mr. Breathes) t.
Yoa yourself saw the Princess and Rergami at Way
fast together?-1 did.
Walfileronytous present op such occasion 2—lie 0
lisisamber.
Vim the Countess of Oldi present 2-1 de est fo

somber.
Was not Hieronymus present on ems evades At
the Princess sod &rpm breakfasted ergiehref-:
set remember. He aright hare tress peasest. '
set recollect it.
Who was present, beside yourself, at the time rol!,
you saw ber lop{ Highness sad Bereed Wad ow
departure to make sours purchases in Melly ?
The Souctroa-Ciamitut.--fire fact to whirl of
I Learned Friend anodes took place at lamina.
Mr. BROUGHAM—My Leeds, Messina is, 1 begeor,°
(Here Mr. Garvey, the abort-hand %I rain. will afril
qeestieo. It was as we have stated
-mole present than the P&P*.
wham, be
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mi's i'ioor, and not t 'nrl *as slot her teal:
duor to are ?----1 did nut when s!ic dis nted it
that ah• wit VPTV ti Tril .

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where
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be day f—Yee, on to read the geniise. It was as we hare slaw •
ottard 7-1 do mot know Answer—l saw nose else present than the IMP
Bartolooso lierprand, and myself.
the newber. Who was peseest, besides witness.whoa he oho
et Swear so the weber. the prism. woo Berfausi at the time •Pribeirr 1'
catul°l
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isi biaslN Italy—!—.I saw so oilier perinea
it sailers r two and tw %mat bow Ibietresa. Bergsma
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srlf to swear 1--No, so,' _attr diaper N::"" M. gmus plus on tbe deck lito wok
s—A.s. was Nader the deck. brion
•Yes. the owner of the Pal meet V. • '• - • •
After dame was 11?—tts.