The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-09-09 00:00:00

" The Cause Inr which lIAMPDEN fell in the Field, and SYDMEY died on tAe &ajold!"

T. 'ilium ASTLEV
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of ANATOMICAL and SLAW IC U. LECTURES on
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Liverpool was occupied in tvOing down the motion he
had to submit to the House.
The Lord Unas;calms* then syse and stated, that the
motion he was to propose to thcl r t•ordships was, that
Coansel be called in and inforased t Ira t if they decided
upon entering upon the statement of their case, they
must proceed to the close of their oaten; tnt, and to pro-
siness the whole of the roofs in support • ;I it; but that
if they should chose, the House was ready to adjourn for
a reasonable period, to afford them time to be prepared
with the whole of their case. •

Lord LAN%DOWNI then rose and stated, Oat now he
had come to a cher understanding of the whohs case, he
must say, that this communication proposed to the Bar
at this period of the proceedings was the most vsnadvis-
able and the most unusual that he ever heard pt 'emoted
in that Mouse. hoped the Counsel would not enter
lot" anY such argirment--they ought not to do so i
tier to their client, and he felt convinced, that there was
not one amongst the Counsel at their Lordships' Aar
who would Five into it. Could env thing he inure aH-
u mini than tor a Court of Justice, atter having proposed
its own proceedings, to instruct Counsel how they were
to meet those proceedings—to tell thrum to stop or to go ,
on as they chose.—((hear, hear!)—To call Counsel to
the, Bar and tell them you shall make no application as to
tittle that you may want, and you shall take such and
such a course of proceeding without any regard to the
swore of your case, or the varying course of
.justice.—
Their Lordships on the other hand were to bind them-
selves to dose their ears to justice. Ile had thought
that they had been obliged to hear enough of the dis-
graceful proceeding in this matter, but he must for one
most strenuously protest against the Protocol con-
cluded between the House and the Confess.' at the Jra
—(clear, hear.)—They had admitted the comment of the
Solicitor-I:eternal with a pre-determination that his case
should then close without any reply. It was the legiti.
mate, the necessary object of this comment to give a bias
and to enforce the impression already made by the evi-
dence, and yet the Noble Lord opposite, called it
holding the scales of justice equally.—(llear.)—What
sort of' a ease tonal theirs' be when they were afraid to
have one day's comment from the other side, tacked to
this motorist.—(Cheers.)
The FArl of CARNARCON allowed that their Lordships
were placed in circumstance. of great difficulty, in con-
/nut nee of their having refused to grant her Alajesty a
list f the witnesses, and a specification of the clearers
obe preferred against her. Had that refusal nut taken
place, and had a proper time been allowed to the Counsel
for her .11ajesty, to prepare her defence, their Lordships
was dip have been enabled to proceed in a way analogous
to the usual forms in all courts of justice. The odor-
' Innate derision to which lie alluded Ilasl been the fruit-
fill parent of a multitude of evils. lle was far, however,
from thinking those evils would he asnrieded by ado mt-
' tug the coarse recommended by his Noble Friend who
had just sat down. On the contrary, unjust and ammo*.
lons as in his opinion hail been the refusal of their lased-
sh;ps to afford a list of witnesses, and a specification of
the charges, it would be ten times more unjust and
anomalous to permit the l'imusel against the Bill to
open the case for the defence, and then to defer the
calling the evidence by which the allegations of that
eine Its.el• he substantiated. For the refusal of the
list of sitn eAs ee and the qiemicatNni 40( lIIN chayggs,• a
delay had been conceded as an.Asikitleut, and if the
Counsel were then to apply for that 'Rely, he conceived
that the House had no right to jefuse them. They
should be prepared to perform their promise, namely,
to give to the Counsel suds delay as the circumstances
of the case, in reason. required. The present. however,
was the time when the Counsel should lir called upon to I
make their election. Some dim cultymight arise from suf-
fering any delay to be interposed between the hearing of
Our and of the other site, and for that evil their Lordships
alone were reel tide. The evil was one of choler, not of
necessity ; they acre placed in that situation by their
own decision; hut since they were placed there they
leave a duty to perform. A rase lad already been gone
through ; evidence had been produced—ex-parts evi-
dence, it was true, and as such by no means decisive
hut it was neither consistent with reason or justice, that
the impression which that evidence made, should 1w
met by assertion, and that such assertion should be
conclusive to their Lordships anal to the country for
months, without proof or evidence being adduces' in its
support. Was it not possible, was it not certain, frost
the attempts that load already been made in truss-exa•
ee iee ation, that the case on thr other side wink! go forth,
involving in a charge of perjury all the witnesses, anal
many persons, high in rank and respectability, in floe
charge of subornation of perjury. Had they not been
told, that the case on the part of the prosecution
was a foul conspiracy ? and could they permit a 'ldeater
to be made which would rankle the public mind by such
charges, for two or three months without proof, as it
could only originate in an attempt-
-Spargere vote',
In vulgum ambigua,.
Anil he trusted, that they would never permit what could
not produce an effect upon their minds to go elsewhere,
where its effect might be attended with the most perni-
cious consequences.
The Lord CHANCELLOR explained.
Lord CALTHORPECOUId not give his vote upon the
present occasion, without stating the gronnds on which
it was founded. He thought the arguments of tlee Noble
Lord, forcible as they were, were chiefly founded upon
analogy with the Courts below. Ile believed nsost sin-
cerely, that ifthere was any otiething which commanded
more public respect than another, it was the administration
of justice in the %tarts below. Anil it appeared to him
that their Lordships should never deviate f their
course, without the strongest ground to proceed on. A
double cross-examination had beets allowed the Counsel
fur the defence, as ten equivalent for their not leaving
list of witnesses, and it had been seen how sparingly
they had used that which had been so granted. Ile tiumght
their Lordships could not furnish the indulgence which
had been asked for; but if what had been asked for
were allowed, he hoped that it would he recorded on
the journals of the House, that it should not stand as a
precedent.
Lord REDESEALE snpported the proposition of the
Lord Chancellor, and said that the indulgence required
by the Counsel for the Bill was not only impractica-
ble, but if' it could be conceded, would make the must
vicious precedent which in any of its proceedings that
House had ever adopted. Ho argued, also, whether
the original proceedings ought to have been by im-
peachment, and referred to the opinion of Lord Somers,
who was mainly instrumental its bringing about the
Revolution of 1688, as an authority.
Lord DARNLEY said lee was sure that whatever might
he the opinions of their Lordships, all would be inclined
to concede what had been asked, rather than to deny it.
lie should certainly out agree to the motion. If Coco-

PRICE SZVEN PENCE:.

sel were rowelled now to proceed with what evidence
was ready, and the rest should not arrive soon enough
to continue the defence, then they could not in justice
refuse time. lle could not conceive upon whet analogy
or principle their Lordships could deny the reqnest to
divide the time of receiving evidence, when they bad
already granted the same allowance with respect to a.
cross-monination. Their Lordships were undoubted-
ly in much difficulty, they had been so from the bc •
ginning; but all those difficulties might have beet
avoided if they had not unfortunately adopted, in the
tint instance, a vicious course of proceeding. lt would
have been wise, it would have been most fortunate, 'f
the case hail never been stirred at all: it was a cala-
mitous case to the country, their Lordships felt it W •
they set there from day to day under the absolute cer-
tainty that no good could result from what they were
doing, but, on the contrary, much inconnuience met I
public misfortune. It was, however, his consolation.
and the consolation of the friends who acted with him.
that they had done all in their power to prevent this
proceeding.
The Lotto CHANCELLOR then put the question, anti
strangers were ordered to withdraw.

Contents
Nou•Cuntents

165
6J

Majority . . . 105
The LORD CHANCELLOR informed the Counsel
of the decision of the House.

Mr. BROUGHAM shortly asked perniission to comment
ou the evidence which had been adduced on the part of
the Crown, pledging himself not to describe or make ton
slightest allusion tu the evidence intended to be brungbt
fore and by her Alujesty.
The Loan CISANIALLOR %aid, strictly speaking, bis
was the same as what had before been asked.

Lord EasittNr. said their Lordships had perm:tt-i
the Solicitor-fieneral to sum up the evidcn. e for Ole
Crown, and he could not conceive on what gro•ut.l
they would refuse to the Counsel of her Majesty, with-
out opening the trvidence, to comment on the testimony
of the witnesses produced in support of the Bill. It
had, indeed, been said, that such a course was unusual
—why, the whole proceeding w tt:ta•-'al, it had so
parallel ;to say that what he aslictl ::as unusual, was
saying little indeed ; they could not a; tme that it :vs..
▪ demand contrary to the spirit of ji:,tiee. 1:0e1; tg
that it was a demand which ought to be arectirti he
svmhl move that Counsel for her 3144.-ty be now
*Moved to comment anti observe cm the et•idt•nt e Tra-
duced iu support of the Bill of Pains and Penaies
against her.
. . .

'1 he Cuusigel were then called in, and the :le, isien of
the House n•as communicated to them 11 the I.crd
Chancellor.

11 r. Ilaocuti m said he hail a proposition to make,
which, from the extraordinary situation in which he
was placed, would, he invited, meet with the unaniaa,:is
approbation of their Lordships, viz. that toe)
allow him. to-morrow morning, to 111.11• c t•ucla reply to
the case against her Majesty as arose from couiluenls
out the es idenee. lie pledged himself at the same tire
les abstain f touching on the case wii:ch lie meant
to slate to their Lordships when he was in .1 titnatiou
to produce the whole of his evidence.
The Lim (.lIA NCI:LIAM was of opinion that the
preposition of the Learned Uoun.el could lint 6,- A.
sni aril, us the requem directly contraven:•il the Pe ..alol•
time hich the !louse hail just come to ; as the com-
ment on the evidence which had been adduced Wjs in
fact the case of the defence.

Lord ERISKISE said a few words in a low tone. lie
contended that though the request now made was no:
in the regular way, yet as the whole Bill was noprece-
dented, and as the Queen was exposed to hard-
ships whirl) had never °et urred in any other case.
neither should she he strictly confined in her flefettc.-
within the strict hoe applied to other proceedings : he
moved, therefore, that the proposition of the Costurel Le
acceded to.
31r. Boort:11.1M then asked till to-morrow to consid...-
what coarse her Jlajestrs Counsel should take. This
was granted, and the House adjourned at four o'clock.

NON-CONTE'NTS ON WILD LIVERPOOL'S IE4O.
LITION—SEPT. S.
Dukes of Gloucester, Somerset, Grafton. St. Alhaa':,
Bedford. Devonshire, Hamilton, Argyll. Leinster.
Marquisses of imnsdowae. Dosushire.
Earls Derby. Suffolk. Thanes, Essex, intents:it...ter •e,.
Cowper. Stanhope. Oxford, Fitzwillimu, Darlington. '.stair.
Grosvenor. Romney. Roslyn, Grey, Caledon. Darnley.
Bessborough, Breadalbane, Rossberry, Forteicur, Motto.
Blesington.
Viscounts Bolingbroke, Torrington, Gage, Hood, Anna*
Duncan. (•lifden, Down..
Lords De Clifford, Saye and Sete. Dade, Kenyon. King,
Bolton. Holland, Calthorpe. Dundas, Erskine. Belhat.n.
Hsu ke, Gwydir, Alvaniev, Foley, Yarborough, Auckland.