The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-10-14 00:00:00

THE QUEEN.

HOUSE OF LORDII.—(Tna Nioaxixis.)
The Peers were called over immediately after pier
era. The defaulters were Lord SuffielJ, the Earls of
Morley and Aylesbury, the Marquis ut Exeter and the
Duke of Dorset.
, The Furl of Csesimtvox then rose and stated that
he bad a motiou to make, previously to which, he
should, with the permission of their Lordships, with-
draw his nsotion of yesterday. But as a preparatory
measure to his making the substituted motion, he had
a question to ask of the Noble Earl opposite, which he
believed that Noble Earl would not object to answer ;
and he rather apprehended that this his substituted
motion would not meet any objection. This
question referred to the Pledge which hal been
given by the Noble Earl, that no witness who had
been examined, should be sent, or suffered to go out
of the Country. With reference to that pledge, be
had then to ask, whether any instructions whatever
had been given, from either of the Oovernraent Office.,
respecting the sending Rastelli out of the kingdom ?
The Earl of LIVZIIPOOL said, that he had hoped
the explanation he had given yesterday, would have
satisfied every Noble Lord, that be was not privy to
the sending away Rastelli. lie bad now in answer
to the question of the Noble Earl, to state most dis-
tinctly, that no instructions whatever, had been gives
by him, or his Colleagues, on the subject—that the
Passport for Rastelli, was applied far at the Foreign
Office, by the Agent for the Bill, and that it was
granted in the ordinary course of business, without
any examination.
The Earl of Canxsavost said, it might then be
perhaps adviseable to examine the persons belonging
to the Foreign Office ; but at present he should mere-
ly move that Mr. Powell be called to the Bar.
This motion was agreed to; and Mr. Powell was
accordingly called to the Bar. The Earl of Carrier-
von was about to question him, when
Earl ORET rose and suggested that the Counsel on
both sides shonid be present during the examination.
The suggestion of the Noble Esti was acceded to, and
the Counsel on both sides were called in.

Mr. Powell was then examined by the Earl of CAN-
N.aaroN.—You stated yesterd, that Rastelli lift town
on the 14th of September?—Yes; on the 14th or 15th.
1 left town ou the 15tb, and I believe Rastelli left Lon-
don the evening before.
Do you know whether he was directed to take any
dispatch to Si r Charles Stewart, at Paris, in his (Rastelli's)
way to Milan ?-1 do not.
In how many d.:ys did von calculate he would reach
Mien ?—ln seven or eight days.
How long did you understand be was to remain at
Milan sent him with some papers to be legalised in
form. Those papers I intended should hare beet) used
on the re-co •noenient of this trial. consequently I ex-
pected him back before the 3rd of October.
Was be to go to any other plea. besides Milan 14—No,
Do you know that at or about that time, a person
about to come to this corm/3, on the present trial had
been sent back to Milan know that previously tet
that time a person had been sent book to Milan; bat not
any one who has been examined.
Was no one else sent bark?--••1 recollect butane person.
Am 1 to understand that previous to Rastelli being
sent out of the country to go to Italy. no portoos who
fwd Iwo sent here for the purpose of givierovidettce,
or making any depositions, bad been sent back to Italy?
—Not to my own personal knowledge.
Hut to the best of your knowledge and belief?
,her snch - ime

Lord LACDEllOtLE.doubted wheth . a tout of
examination as that in which their Lordships were noW
proceeding, was a proper one. He did not think they
had a right to examine an agent upon the secrets of his
client 4.
Lord Liveseciot said, that if by so doin,r
could possibly save any of the time of the Huta e.
be had not the least difficulty in saying, that any
witnesses who had beets sent here, and had not hero
examined might be sent back at any time ; and his
opinion had been that they ought to be sent back. He
hail no difficulty in also stating his belief that they had
been cent back.
Lord Uxci said, that the Noble Earl had misappre-
heuded the purport of the questions. What was now
the situation uf the house : An avowed agent in
the cause had, contrary to his iastroctions, and contrary
to his ditty, sent away a most material witness ; and
when called upon to explain this conduct, had excused
himself by saying that the wit item had been sent to quiet
the fears of the families of those persons who still remain-
ed in this country, respecting whom, reports of ill-treat-
ment had gone abroad. They now had to consider of
the validity of that excuse, anal explanation of conduct
which hail been so universally comiemned by their
Lordships. When he said universally, he did not know
whether his Noble Friend (Lord Lauderdale) had
joined in it, but he believed every one else bad.—(.l
laugh.) Surely an answer to such a question would nut
betray the secrets of his unknown employer. lie be-
lievesl this to hr an occasion when the question ought to
he put, and that it was a question which could not be
dispensed with.
Lord Lwow; the acknowledged that for the purpose
which his Noble. Friend had pointed out, the question
ought to he put. With regard to what hail been said of
the general condemnation of the removal of Rasteili,
there was no man who viewed the fact with more ab-
horrence than himself. He het always understood it tube
one of the most sacred rules in law, that an agent should
not betray the secrets of his clients.
The Loan CAASCELLOR agreed with the Wier part of
the Noble Earl's %perch, and declared that he had always
considered it a most sacred role that an agent should nut
betray the confideoce reposed in him.
Lord RossLTt said a few words in support of the
question being put.
Lord HohLano wished to know who was the principal
in this Cause. Was the Secret Committee or the House
the principal?--If the House, he should wish to know
of the Noble and Learned Lord whether it had not a
right to examine its own agent --(Loud Laughter.)
The Lotto CitaNcett.on said, that whatever might be
the popular effect, he should not answer any question
which the Noble Lord thought fit to put, if that question
might sot be put.
Lord DAKNI.CT rose. lie said it was generally ender-
stood that all ulinecessary witnesses should. fur obvious
reaaons, e sent back. One she took it to be, the
expence ; b
and. as •he was on t
his Hy, he would beg
leave to say a few words as to the expence. Here
tin. Noble Lord. perceieln:r something of a smile on the
counteuance of a Peer, observed, that if he was coot of
girder, he wished to Le told so, but that he hoped Ito
Noble Lord would Indulge in course mirth --(A laugh. .)
Lord Ritottpaidi that it was by no means his in-
tention to induce the line* to indulge in coatis mittli
at the Noble Lord's texperise.—(.t loud laugh.)
Lord Liventoot. said, that nhatevet might
be the value •et arty olaterration &boat the ex-
nse; •It iroalaite irrelevant to theilmetion before. the
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