The Statesman.
London, England, 1820-07-12 00:00:00

froth Government and that of Buenos Ayres, for the.
' honest of a Bourbon Dynasty in South America. i
It the time when we were assured in speeches from!
the Threat that foreign nations entertained the mad
said dispositions towards ns, a negociation was
cow on between the French Government and tin
&remold of Buenos Ayres, for the purpose of pine-
ist the prince of Lucca (nephew of Ferdinand VII.)
spa the throw of that province. The project was to
receive the sanction of all the Powers of Europe, in-
didjog Spain; but not one word was said of England,
am was the previous consent of this country considered
at all necessary in this transaction. In the Notes sub-
witted 's' the part of the French Government, it was'
setaaßy gated that France would support this project
with with a naval and military force as would enable
the Prince of Luna to contend with any State which
Wight presume to interfere. What State could be ,
here alluded to but Great Britain ?—(llear, bear !)
The document further stated the possibility of Great i
Britain wishing to place a British Prince upon the
throne of Buenos Ayres, and commented upon the
evils and calamities which would result to South I
America hem such an event. It contained an appeal
to the miry' feelings of the South Americans, and
a lux tirade upon the injury which the Catholic re-
ligion smell receive from British interposition. lie
vat glad vs suss, that the Envoy from Buenos Ayres
wits) eessebeginto any treaty to which the consent
sad approbation of Great Britain should not be a pre-
liminary. became it was one of the many circumstances
whirls peeved the earnest desire on the part of the
Covenanted of that Province to conciliate the good
ri,hes of this country. If the documents to which he
bud Jaded, and some others for which he should not
sow move, were laid upon the table of the House, he
fluted be should be able to convince the Howie and
the emery that this Government was imperiously
relied apse to acknowledge the independence of the
Maki of South America. No European State, except
rdMee and Spain, had a right to interfere with the
conduct which Great Britain might choose to pnrsne
as to the recognition of South American independence. I
Ih Spain were a party to the negociation which he
hail mated to the House, or if she was reduced to such
a nAYbe of Oirlitiral imbecility that France had taken
into her own hands, Great Britain was 1
De limiter boast' to consider the views or wishes of
Spain with respect to her colonies. It was a curious
rircuntstance,that this negociation was avowed to spring
from the principles of the Holy Alliance. The basis of
that Alliance was the extinction of all the republics in
Europe. The republics of Holland,Venice, and Genoa,
were already extinct ; and in the same spirit the Coe-1
dental Courts bad resolved to do away with the re-
mins, or, tether, the buds of freedom which now existed
i. South America. Upon the conduct of France it
was scarcely possible to express himself in language
which was too strong. After the waste of so much
British blood and treuure--after the unparalleled ex-
ertions which this country had made to place the
Besse of Bourbon upon the Throne of Prance, scarcely
was tke3ipatare of the treats dry,_ which restored a

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.6-4 o tile wisdom es bold, aer tile to
w a they litineTreusd *pen their hew
tutor hosted in injury' upon the country he
thgii
which they wire bound by every do of gratitude, net
West le serelice the interests of Prance, but at least
to see with Sitersliq and wadies: The Boa. ask
Learned Stesdper thitit It eessideeshie leugth %pea She
alvantages wide& the eunineree of the master lee*
derive trots a rettegnklee of the isdspesdesee of SM.
Anserles, and madded by mewing for co et all
official connnunieatiens received by his y's Go.
vernment relative le a heiress Preach
lioverntnent and say mutt, or tliVagent of my
Owernment of Buenos Ayres or ChM, 104 the eve-
blishwent of a Menarchfrin Sena America la a Pekoe
of the Hesse of leurbdo.
Lord CkirliaitAGlll to the model. on the
kilned that the tole alluded to by the Hea-
ted Leiraed Oesileimeu bed reached lioveinneet he
such a shape that ft weld set be laid on =
Be by so swans denied the existent* of the
is questiee (*kick had been tramemituelfiffillhovuesi
nest by the Naval Officer on the River Ithite stations).'
Ilea se the. face of thew it was evident this ease*"
covamsanitatien most be had with other nt-lIINIP
herte Noble the &Mb Ottworneeest to E a full aid
instate view of the subject. The Mod Lesreeit
te
findhotaa bad %deed mode she isamedieti object a bis
lesdat merely sesepping some sea review sad sposte '
Nos wide peaky of this eesstril as it anJ*t
Spula ouches. Inso this eateasive diem tsien he
le* net inter. He re tied. however, that the
Ihlienble ' Learned had ese,
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of the establishment of which was bosillitv to the intsi-
rests of Sheet Britain.—(Hear, hear, bear!)—lf out Oa
. vernment did not know of that negotiation at the time
that it was commenced, they were estremely eaable
for beilag so deficient in intelligence; if they did know
of it, they had drawn Parliament into a measure which
they would never hare adopted had they been aware of
the existence of the negotiation. He certainly thought
that the recent transactions in Spain had made a mate-
rial change in all the relations between that country and
her former colonies. If a union were sincerely desired,
no other nation had a right to say any thing to it. He
nilist say, that Spain had already conferred two of the
greatest.benefits on mankind, that ever had been colder-
red by a nation. The first was the expulsion of an in-
vader from her territory, by the mere energy of the
people, with little aid from regular military forte; the
other was, that she had established her liberties by a Re-
volution,
hitherto unstained by crimes or blood. The
Spanish nation had formerly evinced great virtues and
wisdom; and he trusted they would profit by the Piped- I
awe which the world had bail on the subject of liberty,
and that they would riot add another to the unfortunate
list of nations who, in the first delirium of their joy on
emancipation front thraldom, had indicted wounds on
freedom which ages could not cure.—(Hear, hear!)
Mr. Caxxisio opposed the motion an unite unusual
under the circumstances of the case. With respect to
the coincidence pointed out by his Hon. and Learned
Friend in the passing of the Foreign Intercourse Bill.
and the commencement of the alleged negociation, It
was remarkable; but if trne, he should still rejoice that
we bail discharged our duty; for in public as su private
life " honesty was the best policy." He was an enemy
to prophecy, and therefore he would not pretend to pre-
dict what effect the measures of the popular assembly in
Spain would have on the Spanish provinces; but look-
ing back on history, lie would confidently assert, that
whatever benefits a metropolitan district might derive
from a popular assembly, the state of provinces under
such an assembly bad always been one of suffering. His
Hon. and Learned Friend had talked of the expulsion
of the French from Spain by the mere energy of the I
people, with " little" aid of regular military force ; bat
when he talked of their haying only " little" regular
military aid, he wished to ask whether the history of the
victories of Salamanca, of Vittoria, of Talavera, of the
Pyrenees, with all the other glorious achievements of the
illustrious Wellington, was so vague and remote, that his
Honourable and Learned Friend could rail the assistance
which England had rendered to Spain a " little" military
aid? Left to itself the cause of Spain must have been
hopeless. He retained the same wishes with respect to
South America as formerly ; but he must oppose the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman's motion, considering it to be
altogether without ground.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH explained.
Mr. F.Ltace expressed his earnest hope that his Ma-
jesty's Ministers would take into their serious conside-
ration the great capital which was inrolvcd in the
South American trade. That trade was in all its
branches of the highest importance to threat Britain,
and called for the peculiar protection of Government.
Sir F. OMMANNIT opposed the motion.
Mr. LeintsoTox. after some observations in reply,
stated, that he had no wish at present to press his na-
tion contrary to the 14 Isbell of the House.—Mutton
withdrawn.

EAST INDIA COMPANY VOLUNTEERS.—On
the motion of Mr. CA NNI No. that the East India Com-
pels, V*lonisers' Bill be read a third time, - .11
Mr. Contest argued that the Ems ladle Csatpallt
wen ••••11U1111111101.1a. a situate* to mentor: a eorps of CO
prop
rpegalmseed mon. as was by this Hill. Twenty-five years *NO
a Millar was made by the Company, bat thee t
agety was a oftener, and the resistance to be made it
a forsiga sahary. Now the eoontry was in the ja
,00dere peso be raised
BMnlets ad was to
tbs sireetst
Ofifisix r . ails, real aka obserradZ, eat
els iNI as sa altashseat, that the till be read a
third di- day eitmooths.
Mr. HOSIMMItaa .traded the motion. •
Mr. Mostar supported the original motion.
Mr. Hortntmst contended that there es4M be se
aged or so* a tense at a dare when We. had a aladista army
V IM MO men, of whisk MN were appobalid Is the pro.
seldom of Orem Britain. Li Ihe most viraglig periods at
onalGovrramoot, 1% lit MO 'ferments*. illyVapirit or
ec"TtrY was kept data by • awes of RAD am taeludi
Irasaa; is saw atk essass, IMMO% fist ahy .
Corea and therelbre he skald swore die melee.
Mr. W. WiLLI•Mi supported the motion. .
Th. Dill was read a third time and passed. •
AUEN RILL—On the motion of Lord Cavetat•
amass, that the report of the Alien Regulation BiR
be received,
Mr. J. P. Daax
daises to be issertsd
shear to be removed'
ban a *ass of ,
by removed. sad

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' After a few observations tiou Mr. liFititxsox. Oe-
moral Haim and Mr. Ihuome, the Contasittio wait post-
poned till this day.
A PPROPRIATI(IN BILL.--On the Ibis
11:910111
Bill haring been brought up,
Sir M. W. /liner said ife 'Asked tp pat it
to the Right ilonourable Gentlemen te, tholgh be wen
not quite sere whether be could give a asawars. A
number aloe trees which had long at MI einalksei hi,itt.
Margaret's Cherch-yard, had been recently eat dews, and he
was Informed that they were cut down fora reason disgraceful
to the Reverend body, the Dean and Chapter of Westminster ;
they were cut down, if he were rightly informed, for tire pur-
pose of creating a apace intended to be let eta high price
to persons who might be anxious to view the Coronation.
Those trees had stood for many years an ornament to the
venerable fabric which they shaded; sad as to the febrie
Itself, on looking into the interior of Westminster Abbey—
on viewing the state of those monuments which were an or-
nament of the age, and an erldesee at onee of the gratitude
of the country, and of the high, heroic, and patriot virtues
which celled that gratitude forth—it was, he said, most pain-
ful to see the disgraceful manner in which those moauments,
as wAI as the interior entire building, were neglected.
The CNA mccuma of the Excnstaysa said, he could
not say whether the act was done by the Dean and
Chapter, or by Parish Vestry. As to cutting down the trees,
he apprehended the same had been done on former Corona-
tions.

Sir Joust Nrwronw said, the Dean and Chapter had
all the advantages, whilst the public were obliged to
meet the espences of Westminster Abbey. He considered
Oho neglect of that fine edifice as most scandalous and dls-
graeefal, and was a It subject for the reprobation of that
House. If on any occasion an application should be made to
Parliament for the repairs of Westminster Abbey. they should
be guarded, indeed, In awarding any grant of money for that
purpose.
Mr. &ANIMA said, that the cutting down of those
trees for • sordid purpose reflected soy thing hut honours
on the reverend body. He would nr,t vote)in future for
any money for the repairs of Westminster Abbey, and be
thought that the House should resist any such vote if it should
be proposed.
Mr. W. SMITH concurred with the last speaker. It
was shameful to see Me manner in which the inspection of
the interiorof this edifice was, as it were, let out by two-
pences; no one felt more disgust at such conduct than he
did ; but the Dean and Chapter could not he expected to lay
out, as the public did, 41,00 W. in the splendid decorations
of Henry the 7th's Chapel.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, that early in the next Ses-
-460 he would bring under the consideration of a Select Com-
mittee the state of Westminster Abbey and Ht.
Mr. Alderman Ihnoavx said, that St. Paul's was
kept in a very scandalous state.
Dr. L.'SHIHUTON said, the Dean and Chapter had
ao legal right to appropriate the consecrated ground to their
own purposes; they were liable to account for the sums they
had or might receive.
The Report was received, and the Bill ordered to he read
• third time on Friday.
EXTRA POSTOFTICE BILL.—On the motion
fur the House to go into a Committee on this Bill,
fhe CHANCELLOR of the Excnagent stated, that
the new sod expeditions principle for the more speedy con-
veyance of mails was suggested by a Mr. Burgess. and, by
way of experiment.vrould be tried 'between some of the great
commercial towns and London. Instead of the mail-cosches,
it was proposed to convey the mails by a two-wheeled vehicle,
and it was expected to go at the rate of eleven miles an hour.
Dr. LusaiNovox strongly doubted the possibility
of carrying this plan Into execution. Tim Bristol Gooch, the
most teppifd in E ad. dig not trarel at prevent wore *eh
,eight r. sot see how owe other vehicle
mold travel at the rate of eleven. Without steel* say
wayward alumlbllity, he would say, that the horse, one of the
most etweroos, useful, and noble of animals, ought not to be
*Weer- burro& the streeigth which nature give him ; to the
animal it would be cruel—to society not useful.
After some farther obsersations from Sir H. PARNELL sod
Mr.Aidarman Hes-nava, the Rill went through a Committee.
11.%N11 NOTE BILL.—On the further consideration
of the dank Note Bill,

Sir J. MACRINTO‘II, havinr. ►lluded to the petitiou
which be had presented from Mr. Ti!lock suggested the pro-
priety ot am Inquiry• at some future time. whether the artists
who ►ad swegested plans of merit, though they had not been
*viral), adopted by tbe Back, should not receive some com-
pensation fir •elr tabour.
Mr. COORTICIAT, Mr. (111.11FRT, and Mr. PEARS,
entered Into tetplonatiens as to the proceedines of the Com-
mirdoe se Ibis means of preventing (ornery. They observed,
that several plans of considerable merit had been presented
to the Commission. but they contended that the competition
was to be considered after the nature of a Lottery, and that
it would be a work of endless diMcialty to apportion rewards
to unsuccessful, candidates, of nearly equal merits, and to
settle all the &wins thatmight arise as to priority of invention.
Sir J. ilituKr.vrosit assented to these observations.
The Bill W3‘ ordered to be read a third time to-
porrow.—The other Orders of the Day were disposed
of, and T•

. the proceedings of Miniitert. Only
camber venture to declare boldly for flue
rorevadoo, degradation of her blamtsrt—the rest,
who wore usually so eloquent on much more intim-
• album - mute spectatory of the 1111110 tr in
of the Walcberen expedition
contents of the modern eats-
which is to explode the Queen
lr. Cannixe is so delicate he
any thing that his ineweeptectil
in this affair; with becoming
waits to see on what side vie-
f, before be unlock+ the tor-
Ifent-upl eloquence. His Lordship of the
" not feel at hew on the subject
Lord Livnelruot. and the most
Lordships are so much in love—it
mid Penalties, Heaven knows hot
I. Brother 811410411 has also
of oratory, and Ntosotaa the
for maids' mush out of. fr.
to raise the wind. wbo!x.feel
would despair, would Sub
Budget on do table &oh The

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De meet wen, r of, and the Holm adjourned at Twelve o'Cloch.•
Mr. J. P. O.IANT maid, he wished to suggest twq
"keen to be asserted Is this 11111 ; the first wog, that All.. efICK OF STOCKS Tillti DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
shout to be released from this country under this Kill, . Batik Steels NV ns India Stout
have • "hetes of seleetleg the port to which they wished 1 per Cent. Red. Mil . I Ditto Roods
be removed. sad the ships la which they should take th • I per Ct. Coes. OtIHI Old Annuities 011
passage (they beads( Ilse exposer). provided always 1 • 14 Per Cent. 7114 Rt. Rills td. 41..65. pw.
so noneesseary delay shined take place. The nest wac pre; 4 per Coats. SIN 87 Ditto Cele.
I
vegeta( the ressosel of Ora weeps curried to setsrel bard 6prOt . Rat. 1020 i Oseelms i pin.
subjesse of ids eseetry. ' Long Ass. IS 1-16 Con. for Ac. aliii
TIM 3 rsalues said that thoseclauses could not ho NI- S Pet Coat I
Aim- 884 Lett Tickets
proposed soles.% the Dill was re-routusitted. . —V --• _-, - - . . -
Mr. J. P. URANT said, his object was to have the ebt astattilman.
latioes altered es the Journals; he did sot usual: •,• Tilt ••ITIIII ITATIVI3IIII7e IS I'ICOIIP &&&&& D WITS " TIM
PROW Mel.L.—Clialles WithdrlWlL • -r. , STATCSNAN.-
/be vereet elk thee received, e;44 the Hill was
tiered Os let rood a third tine totpeospor. • . • - LOND 0 N :
', Oa the "ohs et Vow C,
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sittetre•Appoft te•rnorrow. • ••• * ". ". -°- 4
The Lemke Militia VW wesObeesgb . 4 We lave reason to believe that great disunion pre-
yaihs amooost his MAJIISTICS advisers st peseta. The
• e,• 'I Aff •
Itt et tilibornow• ) l , tuts . *, .lii SPIRITS ig aram..4he estofeeto• and difference of opinion which reign in the
Citaucaat.oa of the Wiessiittas .Iw. a• • Cabinet, In regard to the subject of the finny, are
etsosidenttio• of the Bid le he so at , reeptible in the vacillations and ideonsisteneits that
slre of several Members, Sight • *livery day mark the proceedings of Minkterl. Only
that he world propose a these lied Persist, the stress* Ist large of their number venture to declare boldly for nu
its to be imported hose Mim bete thiseabstry.
Mr. &saw, after the pledge flat had hoes
_even to PoectoiOn and degradation 4 her MAJISTY—the rest,